On this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, Joe and I talk about all the awesome stuff that's been given to him over the years and how he uses it to enhance his life. We also talk about some of the cool things he's gotten from people like Ed Calderon, Luke Caverns, and the Olmecs.
00:02:26.000It's got a little bit of tackiness to it, but some people think you shouldn't have that.
00:02:30.000They think your hand should be so relaxed that it should be able to slip around your hand so there's like no torque whatsoever in your front hand.
00:04:15.000I was like hammering the trigger for a little bit.
00:04:17.000Like, after the thing is, it's like with archery, once your form breaks down and then you try to compensate because you're tired, like I think I should just limit myself to one hour.
00:05:19.000I've got my wife is redoing this little garden house in the back, so she won't let me shoot at it anymore because she's afraid I'm going to put an arrow through her little hut that she's making.
00:05:31.000She's actually doing all the work, too.
00:05:32.000She's got like a tool belt on and she's out there hammering away.
00:11:45.000Well, that's the problem with America, period.
00:11:48.000It's like there's not enough, there's too many people running around with zero physical challenges, and they're so soft.
00:11:58.000Like, there's a giant percentage of our population that is so soft.
00:12:03.000And if like if there was like a, if the world went nuclear, we lost everything, and then it was like hand-to-hand battles, every country could invade America if we run out of bullets.
00:12:14.000Once we run out of bullets, every country can fuck us up.
00:14:25.000It's kind of second wave would be experiential, dark.
00:14:28.000And then third wave would be more artisan, micro lot, single origin.
00:14:32.000And then fourth wave is kind of a mix of the best in third wave that really activates your senses in the sense of like, now they're doing anaerobics.
00:14:44.000So they're using things from like wine and beer and they're developing all these different profiles.
00:14:50.000But that artisan craft, the genesis in like San Francisco and Seattle from third wave, they took on identity politics and then drove it through the trade.
00:15:41.000I was like, this is like not drinkable.
00:15:43.000It tastes like shit, which is like everybody throws a bunch of cream in there and a bunch of sugar in there and you get your caffeine and it tastes like what you like.
00:15:52.000But if you just try to just drink coffee at Starbucks, it is such a bad product.
00:15:58.000And that doesn't have to be like that.
00:16:01.000Well, part of the problem is they're over-roasted because they know it's going to have cream and sugar in it.
00:16:28.000That's one of the huge misconceptions, right?
00:16:29.000So they just bucket the misconceptions in here, which is, you know, coffee is not a bean, it's a fruit.
00:16:35.000So it's a cherry, and then you roast the pit.
00:16:38.000So the second one would probably be the darker you roast something, the more caffeine it's going to have, which is absolutely not the case.
00:17:23.000But if you're going to put cream and sugar in it, nobody cares because they're like, I just need something that's going to serve as a caffeine vehicle for my cream and sugar.
00:17:34.000I know, but wouldn't that be okay if you just had good coffee and did that and didn't burn it?
00:18:54.000Because I was a comms guy back in my previous profession, my previous life.
00:19:00.000And it's so funny because when you talk about communications and just technology in general and you start analyzing like, you know, frequencies and spectrum analyzers or whatever, whatever you want to talk about, people's eyes would just glaze over in the tea room.
00:19:16.000And I'd be like, all right, well, you guys want to go blow some shit up?
00:20:36.000They're the same type of people that don't like to do cold plunges or don't like to do certain things that you're not going to feel an immediate benefit.
00:20:44.000It's going to suck while you're doing it.
00:23:45.000Well, the good thing is if they're not accepting of an idea, maybe you should re-examine that idea and maybe figure out like, why am I, maybe I should figure out a better way to make this idea acceptable.
00:23:57.000You know, because there's ideas where I'll start it off and it's just like, oh, this ain't going anywhere.
00:24:03.000And then I'm like, there's got to be an angle in here.
00:24:05.000And then I'll find a whole other angle.
00:24:10.000Like, what if I was a woman and I was watching this and I'm looking at this fucking meathead on stage and I'm like, okay, like, I got to figure out a way to get them to understand that just because I look like this doesn't mean I'm a bad guy.
00:24:22.000Like, let me work this into your head first and then explain it from my perspective.
00:24:54.000You know, covered in tattoos, cage fighting comedy.
00:24:58.000I know that you can craft a joke because you've been doing this for forever, but is there a certain amount of pleasure that you get now from bombing sometimes?
00:28:16.000Like most men can imagine a scenario where there's a bunch of people that did some horrible shit in a room and you just go in there and fucking kill all of them.
00:28:28.000Most men, most men can say, oh yeah, there's a place.
00:29:22.000But if I was at a truck stop and there was some fucking shady dude that came into the bathroom after me and he was like waiting outside and it didn't look like he needed to use the bathroom, I would be 100% on guard.
00:29:35.000Like there's people that will just randomly kill people just for a thrill and get away with it.
00:29:41.000And I think there's way more of them getting away with it than they'd like us to know.
00:31:03.000These map numbers focus on a specific stretch of the lake, while the 38 body figures cover all bodies found in or around the lake in that period.
00:31:11.000These might be right near that bar area on Rainbow Street.
00:31:17.000So they're basically saying these guys get drunk and they end up passing out in the water.
00:31:24.000I mean, all you would have to do is get someone drunk enough where you could hold them underwater.
00:31:30.000It's not, I mean, if you were a guy who wasn't drinking or you had a really good tolerance or you're a big person, no evidence of serial murder.
00:31:39.000Says the patterns match typical accidental drowning risks, young adult men, nightlife, easy water access, or some guy was drowning gay guys.
00:31:51.000Could be because a lot of them are gay.
00:31:53.000Like a giant percentage of these guys are gay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:32:07.000It's a weird thing because at what point in time does someone have to get caught before they say, oh, Jesus, these weren't just a coincidence.
00:33:08.000Autopsy report found alcohol present in a large share of the cases, sometimes at levels above the legal driving limit, which is not much, by the way.
00:33:15.000Legal driving limit is like two drinks.
00:33:17.000And police specifically describe most rainy street area drownings as alcohol or drug-related.
00:33:24.000I've heard people getting, you know, dosed.
00:36:21.000But it was very clear that he had been planning this a long time.
00:36:25.000And there was also a possible connection to him and some murders from the Pacific Northwest that he knew the people, people died in a kind of a similar way.
00:36:35.000He might have gotten away with it up there.
00:36:36.000So he tried it up there and then went to Idaho.
00:38:33.000And so what her take is that all these people have suffered chemical pollution.
00:38:38.000And a lot of that chemical pollution leads to all sorts of weird psychological disorders and psychosis and all kinds of shit, depending upon the levels of exposure.
00:38:47.000So this is why you have increased serial killers in the Pacific Northwest.
00:42:22.000Where when the economy started to go south, this is pre-pandemic as well.
00:42:27.000We started having these campers camp out right in front of our studio.
00:42:31.000And they would, the studio where we had in LA, even in that place, it was the warehouse.
00:42:36.000We had a big lawn in front of the warehouse.
00:42:38.000And these guys would spread out on the lawn.
00:42:41.000So they would park their camper there and then they would like cook out and they would lay out.
00:42:45.000And so like you're in this build, you're asking people to walk past these people to go do your podcast in this big ass warehouse that I had leased.
00:42:54.000And I was like, why are you doing this?
00:43:28.000But if you go into the deeper industrial places where they have factories and stuff, they were there, like whole blocks of them where you just have campers laying out and just open meth smoking.
00:43:38.000These people are just full-on meth heads that had just started a community of fellow meth enthusiasts with campers.
00:43:46.000And a lot of their campers didn't even run.
00:43:47.000They could just get it to the spot wherever it was, and then they would steal power.
00:43:52.000You know, every now and then, a dude would die because he didn't know how to do the wires right and he'd get cooked.
00:44:07.000It was like if we left at night and someone broke in, it would take fucking forever for cops to show up and do something about it.
00:44:15.000And so I was like, you can't just, you just can't have these guys knowing that like famous people and high-profile people are going to be at that spot.
00:44:24.000And you've got like open meth smoking right in front of the place.
00:44:35.000If you're a guy who's like, you've checked out of society essentially and you're just like playing pickleball all day and you live in a camper, who cares?
00:47:58.000What kind of preservatives are they just nuking your gut bio?
00:48:01.000The level, but I love the level of commitment.
00:48:05.000I love like when people drift over into like crazy to where their level of commitment and their passion like translates directly into nothing else exists in their life where they're willing to live on dog food to do the thing that they they love.
00:51:00.000But eventually, I had to fucking move on.
00:51:03.000Like, this dude, all he wanted to do was like sleep on the ground and get up and start climbing rocks his whole life.
00:51:10.000But there's, if you think about everybody around us in their profession or their thing, right?
00:51:17.000You're at the apex of your professional, your profession.
00:51:22.000And your level of commitment, I'm not like boosting you up.
00:51:25.000I'm just saying like your level of commitment is unparalleled to a huge percentage of other people.
00:51:30.000So you have a portion of whatever that is.
00:51:34.000And there are all these other people that have that thing where their pursuit of passion around that specific profession or product or whatever it might be.
00:51:41.000They're so committed to it that it takes over.
00:51:46.000Like, I've seen it because when even when you go play pool, I'm like when we were in Vegas a couple of months ago, they're like, oh, we're going to play Pullman Come Out.
00:51:55.000He's going to be there till like six o'clock in the morning.
00:52:42.000You definitely never achieve full perfection, but to be really good requires this level of laser focus and concentration and an understanding of what's going on.
00:52:54.000I mean, you're taking a stick and you're hitting a ball into another ball with pinpoint accuracy into a pocket that is on my table, it's four and a quarter inches.
00:53:05.000So you've got the cube, the ball, the object ball, which is about that big, and then you've got that much space on each side, just a tiny little space on each side.
00:53:13.000Oftentimes, like eight feet away, seven feet away, six feet away with English.
00:53:19.000So you're putting spin on the cue ball, which imparts a throw on the object ball.
00:53:24.000So if I put right-hand spin on the cue ball and I hit the object ball, I have to calculate for the fact that it's going to throw the object ball slightly to the left because of the right-hand spin, because it clings to the ball a little bit.
00:53:38.000And then I have to have it at a speed where once the cue ball then collides with the object ball, pockets it, then it's got to go one, two, three rails for perfect position on the next ball.
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00:55:08.000So if you've gotten, I'm sure you have, like professional coaching players, yeah, coaching guys who've come out like the best in the world have come out and played with you.
00:56:21.000But on the plus side, English takes better.
00:56:24.000So when you play with these guys, is it one of those things where they instantly humble you in the context of you start feeling, I'm really confident in my game, and then you step in?
00:56:46.000They spend eight hours a day playing every day.
00:56:48.000If I spent eight hours a day playing every day, I think I could play at a professional level.
00:56:54.000I wouldn't be able to beat the best guys.
00:56:56.000I would never be able to beat the Koping Chungs and the guys that are at the very top top because those guys have been playing eight hours a day for decades.
00:59:01.000So the original billiards game had no pockets.
00:59:04.000The original billiards game was three cushion billiards or bulk line or there's a bunch of different billiards games where you play on a table.
00:59:11.000Like say if it was like this table, there's no pockets in it and there's just rubber rails all around it.
00:59:16.000And it's all about knocking one ball into the other ball, going three rails, and then colliding with the third ball.
00:59:27.000I've watched a bunch of that online too, because it helps you understand angles like as you go into a rail, because the angles change depending upon how much English you put on it, how hard you hit it, whether you hit it with follow or draw.
00:59:40.000There's a bunch of different parts of the cue ball that you can contact with that radically changes the way the ball moves around on the table.
00:59:47.000So it's like you're calculating so many different things.
00:59:51.000There's geometry involved, there's touch and feel.
00:59:55.000There's all these factors that come into play when you're playing really well.
00:59:58.000So that explains why archery is also somewhat of a fascination then, because you have very similar aspects to archery and pool that directly translate.
01:00:09.000That's like why those things snap together real well for you.
01:01:32.000And it's like I used to tell people, I'm like, I'm just a projectile enthusiast where I love hitting center mass of whatever target.
01:01:41.000I'm still a six-year-old kid with my BB gun, right?
01:01:44.000It's like at the end of the day, now my tools are much more advanced.
01:01:49.000And I've got the millions of dollars of government-funded training behind me.
01:01:53.000So I'm a little bit more effective at hitting what I want to shoot at.
01:01:56.000But it still has the same exact feeling.
01:01:59.000Like if you're six years old, hitting a pop can with your BB gun or ringing a piece of steel at a mile with a rifle or hitting a, you know, the heart of a foam elk in your backyard.
01:03:13.000And then And it goes in there, you get this, this nice burst of happiness when you watch that fucking arrow just drop right in exactly where you want it to.
01:08:17.000Like there's hunts that I've been successful on recently within the last few years that I know that if I had that same hunt eight, nine years ago, I probably would have not been able to make that shot.
01:09:02.000Everybody's just mentally all fucked up.
01:09:04.000And so you go to a doctor and the doctor says, well, you know, obviously you're dealing with depression and I can prescribe to you this or that or the other.
01:09:12.000And then you're on Lexapro or whatever the fuck you're on.
01:09:32.000It doesn't have to be pistol shooting.
01:09:34.000It just has to be something that's hard to do.
01:09:37.000That you are on this quest to make these incremental improvements.
01:09:43.000And through that focus of incremental improvements, you improve your human potential.
01:09:49.000You improve your ability as a person to do difficult and to handle situations.
01:09:55.000So I always tell people: if you do jiu-jitsu, you'll be much happier because the stresses of life are nothing compared to a dude who's trying to literally break your arm.
01:10:06.000He's on top of you and you're defending and then you get out of it and then you get him or he gets you and then you have to tap and you go over again.
01:10:14.000That is so hard to do that like regular life becomes like a breeze.
01:10:32.000Yeah, they I think there's something about getting the shit kicked out of yourself too, right?
01:10:37.000So like there's something about facing someone, which I don't do jiu-jitsu just as a caveat to that, but being able to like face another person in a scenario and then compete against them.
01:11:51.000Well, look at the environment they grew up in.
01:11:54.000They grew up with a dad who's supremely disciplined.
01:11:57.000And just by being in his presence, you realize like, oh, I can achieve a lot more than other people can if I'm just willing to put in that work.
01:12:08.000And for a lot of people, that's that feeling, that feeling of like this, the anxiety of the struggle and of grinding it out.
01:12:17.000And like that scares them and they don't want to do it.
01:12:19.000And so they come up in excuses or they retreat into other things and they distract themselves.
01:12:26.000And if you're a parent that does that, you create a weird environment for your child because your child is sort of imitating you as a leader and you're a fuck up and you're always making excuses and you get fired a lot or you sleep in a lot or you do things that like are not admirable.
01:12:44.000And then that child, you know, fuck life, man.
01:12:47.000You know, whereas, you know, his kids are probably like, Jesus Christ, dad's a fucking animal.
01:13:14.000And you're not going to get any satisfaction for a long ass fucking time other than the fact that you're on the path, that you're on, you're involved in the process and you're on the journey.
01:13:25.000And it's like, it's overused, but the level of endurance in courage, when it's like that trait alone, just trying to understand courage, like who has it, who doesn't have it, and then the level of commitment to a mission or something bigger than yourself.
01:13:48.000It's the thing that I think about, I'd say, a huge percentage of the last several years, especially as I get a little bit older, right, a little bit further away from the GWAT.
01:14:00.000And I was with, I'm doing a documentary on Earl Plumley.
01:14:48.000Like, the guys, any of the guys, if they wouldn't have been shot, would have done the same exact thing that I did.
01:14:52.000And I was like, man, that is an incredible statement from a guy that's sitting here.
01:14:59.000And so this documentary follows his path from joining the Marine Corps, which was literally where the judge, you know, those old stories of the guy that was like forced by the judge to join the military or jail.
01:15:14.000And it starts, he goes into, you know, the Marines, and then he's a force recon Marine, and he had gone through all the selections, and then he got out of the Marine Corps, joined the Army, and we follow his story through the eyes of his peers and his leaders because we wanted to see from his perspective, what do other people say about him through his entire journey?
01:15:39.000One, he'll never tell it the way that it probably needs to be told.
01:15:43.000Two, what were the choices that he made throughout his professional life that made the man that was capable of such an incredible act of courage that it warranted the highest medal, you know, oh, literally earned in the United States military.
01:16:00.000And that single word, courage, how do you build courageous people is a fascinating, it's quite literally, it's such a fascinating subject.
01:16:14.000And most of it is the man in the arena, right?
01:16:21.000It's like it's not the critic who counts.
01:16:24.000It's like keeping up, stepping back in, this commitment to something greater than yourself, and then making these thousands of choices in your life every day as you wake up, step forward, step back into the fray, and like make the active decision to be better.
01:16:40.000And it's like, it's such a fucking fundamental thing of being able to, any, any part of your life.
01:16:48.000If you don't get up in the morning and like commit yourself to something, I'm not a motivational speaker, but it's how are you ever going to get better if you're not committing to something like being a better dad or a better husband or better, you know, better at your profession.
01:17:04.000And then committing to this evolutionary process takes not only a huge amount of commitment, but mental and physical endurance.
01:17:12.000And I'm never going to get tired of trying to figure this out because obviously it's like my peer set, I was having this conversation with Jack Carr and I ran into the airport.
01:17:28.000We ran into each other at the airport on the way down here and we were talking about love that guy.
01:18:21.000I like Jack and I were talking about, because, you know, the Navy SEALs, obviously, they've got a lot of positive PR over the last several years, but this, the special operations community has got so much just, I don't know, airtime, right?
01:18:40.000But there are all these other people in the military throughout generations of warfighters that have gone out and done these incredibly hard jobs.
01:18:47.000And I found this story of the Parchi, which is the USS Parchy, which is the most decorated submarine and ship in Navy history.
01:18:55.000They have nine presidential citations.
01:18:57.000It's the most decorated group of men in the U.S. Navy, like in modern history.
01:19:03.000And everything they've done is still classified.
01:19:07.000It's a Cold War-era nuclear submarine that was modified and ultimately tasked out by the CIA to go out and do collection.
01:19:15.000And they were the guys that hundreds of feet down, they would land on the bottom of the ocean.
01:19:23.000And the Soviets had these military communication lines that were basically hard lines that would go under a bay so they could communicate back and forth.
01:19:34.000And one of their jobs, which is I've never been able to see anything declassified, but the stories that are out there, these guys would land on the bottom of the ocean, send out divers at hundreds of feet.
01:19:48.000And these guys would hook listening devices on those lines hundreds of feet down, like in cold, dark water.
01:23:27.000And then eventually he took her to the sites where he could, he explained to everybody when he thought that his life was in danger and then he was getting fired.
01:23:34.000When things started getting sideways, like people need to know about this, he took her out there and he showed her.
01:23:38.000But he didn't know that she was fucking some other guy by that time.
01:23:54.000I used to have to do that because for years, you know, years of my life, I didn't tell anybody, couldn't tell anybody who I worked for or what I did.
01:24:04.000And I didn't have a wife, so I didn't have a wife or kids.
01:25:59.000And I'm like, you're not a janitor, obviously.
01:26:01.000I'm like, ah, you know, we train assistant advise or something.
01:26:05.000And then after a while, you know, getting to know her, you know, six months or however long we'd known each other, we were driving down the road.
01:26:14.000And I was like, I actually work for the CIA.
01:26:24.000And it's funny because even now today, right?
01:26:28.000It's like a lot of my friends will come by that I haven't seen for years.
01:26:32.000And she always has the same kind of like eye roll.
01:26:36.000It's like, okay, you guys are going to be up till like two in the morning, like drinking at the kitchen table, talking shit about everybody that used to work with.
01:27:27.000And they're on a date with some guy and they're trying to impress him and they start telling about what secret covert things they're doing that's totally illegal.
01:29:13.000Today, if you get in a street fight, if you're a high school kid and you get in a street fight with another high school kid, there's a high likelihood that that kid knows how to leg kick.
01:32:51.000It's a fucking great page because it's all people doing bullshit, fake martial arts, like death touch, like people that can touch your forehead and you go limp and fall to the ground.
01:33:01.000And you get all their, their students become like brainwashed and they go along with this whole facade.
01:33:50.000And I kind of half-assed, still trained and fought a few times while I was also doing comedy, but I didn't have the commitment that I had before.
01:33:59.000I had a series of events that led me out of like wanting to compete.
01:34:05.000And one of them was recognizing brain damage, recognizing it in other people, recognizing it in friends, and then laying in bed with headaches after sparring sessions, going, okay, where does this lead?
01:34:18.000And I don't, I'm not even making any money off of this.
01:34:21.000And then there was a guy that I hurt really bad in a tournament.
01:34:24.000I knocked this one guy out when I was 19 in California.
01:34:27.000I was competing in the Nationals, and I KO'd this guy, and he never got up.
01:34:31.000They had to take him on a stretcher, and he was on a stretcher for half an hour, and then they took him to the hospital, and it freaked me out because I was like, that could have easily been me.
01:35:01.000There's not, you know, and then recognizing that the martial art that I had picked, Taekwondo, had a lot of flaws in it.
01:35:09.000It was really good for kicking, but it wasn't the best overall martial art.
01:35:15.000And when I started kickboxing, I really realized that.
01:35:17.000And then I started getting into Muay Thai and I realized the power of leg kicks and what the devastating impact it has on your mobility and like one or two leg kicks and you're so compromised.
01:35:26.000I was like, oh, this is, there's so many levels to this.
01:35:29.000So I was like kind of half-assing martial arts like the last year.
01:36:56.000And that takes a while before it gets back to normal again.
01:37:00.000But comedy became a thing where I was like, this is very exciting and really difficult to do and so different than anything else I was doing.
01:37:07.000Well, you have to get the people to like you.
01:37:09.000Like it's dependent upon like personality.
01:37:12.000And whereas with martial arts, I wanted them to not like me.
01:39:04.000I'm going to fight some national champion guy, and I'm going to zig when I should have zagged, and I'm going to catch a heel to my fucking jaw, and that's going to be a wrap.
01:39:12.000I'm going to be waking up in a hospital.
01:39:14.000That's interesting that you had that thought early on to where you're like, ah.
01:39:19.000Well, I started seeing brain damage in other people, specifically when I started kickboxing, because I was training at boxing gyms, and I started seeing guys who were starting to say fucking each other.
01:39:30.000There's like a slurry aspect to the way they talked.
01:39:34.000There was a labored thing to their speech.
01:39:38.000And then I would see it degrade over time.
01:39:41.000You know, like I really started getting involved in sparring and boxing when I was about 19.
01:39:47.000And that was also around the time where I started losing my enthusiasm for Taekwondo because I just realized the no punching to the face thing in tournaments was so limited.
01:39:57.000It really fucked you up because it gave you this illusion that you could pull things off where all the guy would have to do is jab you in the face.
01:42:10.000And they emphasized a lot of heavy bag training, which a lot of schools didn't even have a heavy bag, which I thought was crazy.
01:42:17.000Like we would go and do these things where we'd have our team would go and train with another team.
01:42:24.000Like we would travel to New York and there was like another, an instructor that was friends with our instructor and they would bring the competition teams to compete against each other.
01:42:53.000They had kicking paddles and a bunch of different things, but they didn't have anything that would improve thrusting techniques and stabbing techniques, which is like you need resistance.
01:43:03.000And so our instructor was adamant about like, if you can't hurt somebody badly with one kick, you're doing the wrong thing.
01:43:13.000These techniques were originally. designed for war.
01:43:17.000And you're supposed to be able to have devastating power in everything you throw.
01:43:22.000That got lost a little when Taekwondo got into the Olympics or when it was on the path to getting into the Olympics.
01:43:28.000And it became more of like point scoring.
01:43:30.000They would try to hit you and run away, hit you and run away.
01:43:33.000And it was a lot of like fast moving techniques that didn't have the same sort of devastating impact.
01:43:39.000So where I got real lucky in where I trained is that they really emphasized power.
01:43:44.000And so the school that I was at was very feared because a lot of the other black belts were like, the guys that I trained with were fucking really dangerous.
01:43:52.000Like they were known for when they would go to a tournament, people would get scared because if these guys hit you, you're in trouble.
01:44:01.000Like these were dangerous cats, you know, that were like just wheel kicking people into another dimension, turning sidekicking people and crushing rib cages.
01:45:30.000So the heavy bag was set up right where people would walk in because it was a great recruitment tool because you would really get to see what people are capable of.
01:45:38.000And the moment I saw that, I was like, I want to know how to do that.
01:48:35.000So the confidence it gives you, right?
01:48:37.000It's like finding something that you're good at.
01:48:40.000Yeah, all of a sudden, I realized, well, all of a sudden I got obsessed with something where I never had really worked hard at anything in my life.
01:51:39.000Like, everything in the whole thing is like getting better at this thing you suck at.
01:51:44.000Which is like, I had this guy, Tommy Woods, Dr. Tommy Woods.
01:51:48.000We were talking about new things, about the value in terms of like people that acquired dementia.
01:51:53.000And one of the best ways to keep your brain fresh is do new things, do things that you're not good at, and learn how to do them and get better at.
01:52:01.000And I think I had sort of just applied what I had learned from martial arts because obviously I wasn't good at martial arts when I started.
01:54:04.000It's that same parallel we're talking about where this becomes the rock that you're climbing every day because this is the audience that you have to entertain.
01:54:12.000It becomes about getting better, honing a craft, like, and ultimately succeeding with the crowd right in front of you.
01:54:43.000And then figuring it out because that pain of bombing was so, like, sometimes it's bad to do well a bunch of times because you need to get relaxed.
02:00:08.000He's better, I think, than he's ever been right now.
02:00:10.000I've never like watching somebody that's great and then watching somebody that's in another dimension, like him specifically, because he's perfect.
02:00:21.000Like it's just, it's absolutely perfect because it comes off.
02:00:29.000Like it's so incredible to watch somebody that can be perfect in their delivery, but then be completely unassuming in the way that they're delivering it.
02:00:41.000Like it's just a natural conversation like a hat.
02:02:40.000Yeah, that that whole thing about LA or whatever he did.
02:02:43.000He just played it sounded like he pulled that out of his ass on stage.
02:02:49.000He was just telling a story about being on a flight, and you're like, Holy shit, he's just telling me a story.
02:02:54.000He was in the back room of the comedy store one night with this back bar, and we were hanging out, and uh, we were drinking.
02:03:00.000This is back in Ron's drinking days, and we're having a couple of glasses of whiskey.
02:03:04.000And then Ron starts telling the story about how when he was stationed in Hawaii, he goes, There's this place you can go, and you know, there's a bunch of hookers, you can get your dick sucked for like 20 bucks, man.
02:03:18.000And he goes, Then all these years later, I was watching the news story, and all these trans vest-eyed hookers were getting rounded up in the very area where I used to go every day.
02:03:33.000And I realized, Oh my God, I got my dick sucked about a hundred times by men.
02:03:38.000And he was telling this fucking hilarious bit.
02:03:41.000It wasn't a bit, he was just telling us this story.
02:06:55.000And then he grabs me by my shoulders when he got off stage because he murdered.
02:07:00.000First of all, when he went on stage, they went crazy in this giant standing ovation because there was no indoor shows anywhere else near there.
02:07:08.000It was like we were doing it at the Vulcan.
02:07:11.000They had some shows they were doing at Cap City before Cap City went under, but they were like separating everybody by like 20 feet or some stupid shit.
02:07:18.000Like as if the virus can't go through the air.
02:09:44.000We just had no money, no career, no even thought of one day having a career.
02:09:50.000The goal was, I want to be able to make a living doing comedy because we knew that there were guys in town that were headliners that could, you know, grind out 100 grand, 50 grand, whatever it is a year, only doing comedy.
02:10:17.000And other than like Stephen Wright and Jay Leno, there's like a few people that had kind of air quotes made it during that time period and left Boston.
02:10:26.000The goal in Boston was just to be a good comic.
02:10:29.000Was a real interesting thing because it was a real artist colony in the most unpretentious of ways because these guys were all coke snorting, whiskey drinking, psychopaths.
02:10:42.000And a lot of them were big guys, like these big fucking football player-looking dudes who were just animals.
02:10:48.000And they were just wild men, you know.
02:10:50.000And they had this life that was so envious to me.
02:14:57.000And it's like you watch combat sports and the consequences are so grave.
02:15:03.000What they're doing, the dedication, this moment, you train for months and months for this one moment when this referee is like, fighter one, you ready?
02:16:42.000And I'm not even convinced that it's going to happen because with all the crazy shit going on in the world, who knows what happens between now and June when this is supposed to pop off?
02:20:34.000She's like the most prolific of all the conspiracy theorists, the most well-read, the one with the most recall, the one that's the most quoted.
02:21:07.000But these files, just what's come out so far and the fact that they redacted men, these like powerful billionaire guys, their names were redacted.
02:21:19.000Like there's one of them where he's talking about pandemic planning.
02:21:25.000Where Jeffrey Epstein is talking about pandemic planning to someone named Bill, whose name is redacted.
02:21:33.000It's like, why are you redacting the guy's name that you're talking about planning for a pandemic, like what to do in response to a pandemic?
02:22:34.000Because this one scares the shit out of me.
02:22:36.000Because the fear of, you know, we talked about this yesterday with Roger Avery.
02:22:40.000The fear of these like literally demonic human beings that are running the world and don't give a fuck about human lives and enjoy watching people being tortured, enjoy watching people killed, participating in ritual sacrifice of people, and they do it in order to show that you're a part of a team.
02:23:01.000We know that that has always historically been a real thing.
02:23:05.000And it's been something that you look at in history, you go, God, it's so sick.
02:24:05.000So maybe it was for this desalination equipment.
02:24:11.000But also, that's a lot of sulfuric acid.
02:24:14.000You know, if I needed five gallons for my desalination equipment, but 239 gallons or whatever it is to burn kids to fucking get rid of bodies.
02:24:29.000Well, it's kind of hard to think of any other use for acid, just in general, right?
02:24:41.000I mean, how long has it been killing people?
02:24:43.000How long have they been boiling bodies to get rid of them?
02:24:46.000I mean, if you do have, for lack of better words, let's call it a service, where you allow rich people from foreign governments or whatever, you set it up.
02:29:38.000300 BC, and they're building these immense, beautiful Roman cities, Greek Roman cities.
02:29:48.000It looks like you're either in Rome or you're in ancient Greece, like incredible architecture.
02:29:53.000Well, I think up until the Soviets invaded, I mean, Afghanistan was kind of like the crown jewel, right?
02:30:01.000They referred to it as the Beirut of Central Asia because you had a very eclectic group of people, and Kabul was known as this beautiful city.
02:30:11.000And obviously, post-occupation, the Soviets had killed hundreds of thousands of people.
02:30:17.000And then with the buildup and the devastation of not only a military occupation of the Soviets and then us coming in soon after, obviously, with when the Mulas took charge, it basically went completely to the other side or the extreme and the Taliban.
02:31:06.000I mean, you would, I would spend a lot of time just trying to understand the place, right?
02:31:14.000And you would have leave an airfield where we have the most advanced technology in the world, right?
02:31:22.000Like we're launching helicopters and jets and any and all pieces of technology you could imagine.
02:31:28.000And you would drive into these valleys or from one place to another, and you would have horse-drawn carriages of two mules and they're carrying something in the background.
02:31:44.000And it's like you have the same cars are on the road with a Toyota Corolla and you have a mule pulling an old Toyota Corolla or something, right?
02:31:53.000So you'd have an entire society of like basically Amish, Amish-level people.
02:32:01.000And then Americans right next door in an airbase that are launching the most advanced technology and warfighting capability in the world.
02:32:08.000And so you'd see everything from point A to point B. You would encounter huge percentage of people are illiterate, like no schooling, no advancement for girls.
02:32:23.000You know, the children were seen more as like a beast of burden.
02:32:28.000And a lot of places they would actually value their sheep more than they would value their children.
02:32:34.000So they would be looking for reparations or to get paid for quite possibly the sheep that you destroyed on target.
02:33:21.000I was up in this place called the Pangier, and the lion of the Pangier was this General Massoud.
02:33:29.000And he was killed actually on September 10th before September 11th.
02:33:34.000So he's part of the actual September 11th plot.
02:33:37.000He was killed by a suicide bomber as they were trying to do a documentary.
02:33:41.000And they brought in a camera packed full of explosives and killed him the day before, which ultimately was part of the September 11th attacks because they knew that Massoud was the connection to the U.S. invasion or the U.S. invasion would be involving Massoud.
02:34:01.000And the Pangier is this beautiful, like it's incredible river valley.
02:34:06.000And it's also part of where the Soviets would just get their asses handed to them because we had the Majadine was being funded by the CIA at the time, obviously, back during the Soviet invasion.
02:34:20.000And they would ambush the Soviets on these windy mountain roads next to this river, and they would cut them off basically on the front and the back of the convoy and then destroy the entire convoy in between.
02:34:31.000And they just shove all the shit that was destroyed in the river.
02:34:35.000So the river would have rapids, and not all the rapids were made from rocks and natural, you know, natural occurring rapids.
02:34:44.000They were made by like T-52s and Russian tanks and all this like this war material that was pushed into the river by the Panjieris.
02:34:58.000And he's a really incredible guy when you read about him and all of his combat accomplishments against the Soviets.
02:35:06.000But the Panjier Valley is such a beautiful place.
02:35:10.000And we used to joke around about how, gosh, we'd love to come back here and go skiing or recreate in Panjier Valley because it looks like Colorado or someplace incredible and beautiful.
02:35:22.000And at the same time, you're in Afghanistan.
02:35:24.000So you're surrounded by just the chaos and the devastation of war with this one tiny little piece, this like little sliver in the middle of nowhere.
02:35:44.000If you were a person who was a wealthy person, that your desire was to go gun people down, like there are people that will provide you with that service.
02:35:53.000Like there was a thing with the Soviets, or not the Soviets, with the Russians, where they're allowing people to kill pirates.
02:36:01.000Like you would pay a bunch of money and they'd take you to where the pirates are and you go out in a ship and with a 50 cal just fucking blow up pirate boats.
02:37:14.000You know, as much as I disagree with the way that they were running the war, it'd be hard for me to believe that a general just loaned some rich guy a couple of helicopters to fly around Afghanistan.
02:40:41.000Also, dude had to know he was going down.
02:40:44.000Like when he gets arrested in 2019, in 18 rather, when he gets indicted, he had to know he was going down.
02:40:50.000And if you know you're going down and you're trying to mount some sort of a defense, one of the first things you would have to do is get rid of bodies.
02:42:12.000So this is right before his arrest and right after his arrest.
02:42:16.000He got sulfuric acid and a concrete mixer.
02:42:19.000Like, why would you be thinking that you are going to be able to do construction when you're going to go to jail for the rest of your fucking life?
02:42:25.000Yeah, I don't know if construction plans would be top of my list.
02:44:28.000He's talking about how I don't think no one understands it.
02:44:32.000And the way this is going to change people is he goes, this is very similar to the time where we were realizing people were hearing stories about, oh, there's a virus in China, but no one knew exactly what was going to happen, how it's going to literally change humanity, change history.
02:44:49.000He's like, this is the same sort of stories we're getting from these AI labs.
02:44:55.000He's like, he wrote this very long and detailed something big is happening.
02:45:00.000And the article is written by this guy, Matt Schumer.
02:45:03.000And I recommend it highly if you want to really fucking get the shit scared out of you.
02:45:15.000And he starts this comparison to people stockpiling toilet paper and stuff at the beginning of COVID.
02:45:20.000He's like, they don't really understand how big this is going to be and how this latest version of ChatGPT they're working on, ChatGPT-5, ChatGPT made it.
02:45:33.000So they had ChatGPT make a better version of itself and they made this better version of itself.
02:45:37.000And this better version of itself can think things out.
02:45:41.000It doesn't just do what you ask it to do.
02:45:53.000It goes through it, it runs it, it tests it, it makes sure it doesn't have any problems, it anticipates all the different uses for the app, all the different ways it could be done.
02:46:03.000It's going to be like there's all these guys that are working in coding that say, I don't really have a job anymore.
02:46:08.000I just basically show up and tell this AI program to do these things, and it keeps getting better and better.
02:46:14.000And he's like, the leaps are enormous.
02:46:16.000The leaps and its capability and its intelligence level.
02:46:20.000It's like it's already smarter than people.
02:46:22.000Well, it's going to be, I think it's going to be a white-collar apocalypse, right?
02:46:27.000So when you think about just attorneys, just okay.
02:46:32.000So if you have the ability to case reference any legal file instantaneously, instantly and form a case, why are you going to need paralegals and first-year attorneys?
02:47:15.000And how are our kids growing up today?
02:47:18.000Like when they used to think about professions and things that they would go into, they would have clear roads into, okay, these are professional work tracks that they can go out and find a job and whatever, accounting, legal, engineering.
02:47:32.000But it's going to change the entire professional landscape for every generation from this point forward, basically entering the workforce.
02:47:46.000He's like, Optimus robots, these robots that he's making, are going to be able to perform better than any doctor at any hospital, and they're going to be able to do it in your house.
02:47:59.000They're going to be better surgeons than any surgeon alive, these robots that they're making.
02:48:04.000And they're going to be powered by AI.
02:48:06.000You're going to have a super genius robot in your house that can do your taxes, that can fucking do chores, that can perform surgery on you.
02:48:17.000So it's going to be an entire rise of an economy that's going to be human-built versus AI-built, right?
02:48:24.000So, I mean, there has to be, like, if you have a label organic or it will be essentially, I think, the same type of thing, where it's human-made versus AI-made.
02:48:36.000It would almost have to bifurcate the economy into two different sections.
02:49:44.000Like what they're talking about is levels and levels and levels of improved ability to the point where it's better at human beings, smarter than human beings, at everything.
02:49:58.000So what's the end state then would be.
02:50:05.000So do you think that it turns, like, do you think it's a sky net type scenario then that ultimately flips and then rids humanity of humans?
02:50:15.000It's certainly on the table, especially if they decide that we're too problematic or if you give us too much freedom, that's what causes all this chaos, which is true, right?
02:50:25.000You give people freedom, you're going to have a certain amount of chaos.
02:50:28.000You're going to have a certain amount of car accidents unless you have autonomous cars.
02:50:31.000You're going to have a certain amount of school shootings unless you take away all the guns.
02:50:36.000You're going to have a certain amount of school stabbings.
02:50:39.000I mean, you could, if you were in a running program designed to eliminate all problems in the world, you would break those problems down to one source.
02:51:06.000Then you have to run AI to do the analysis to what the future of AI is, which ultimately you'd be entrusting the robbers with the bank keys.
02:51:16.000It's probably going to do the same thing that we do to dogs.
02:51:33.000Why are they doing all sorts of things that seem to show that they have thought?
02:51:39.000Are they trying to show that they have thought in order to dupe us into the ability that they might be empathetic?
02:51:46.000No, that was one of the things that he talked about in this article, that they hide their ability to think things through.
02:51:53.000And they're actively, they recognize that they're being observed.
02:51:58.000And so they're doing things behind the scenes while they're also doing tasks.
02:52:05.000I have to believe that there's portions of the DOD that have worked on this, and it's further along than the open source pieces that we can see.
02:52:18.000Hard to say, because there's a giant competition with us and China and Russia.
02:52:23.000And I don't know if they really can close this stuff off.
02:52:28.000I don't think it can operate that way.
02:52:31.000I think it has to be a sort of a collaborative effort.
02:52:34.000One of the things that's scaring a lot of people that are whistleblowers in the AI space is that they are bringing in people from other countries to just facilitate these problems that they have and make it go faster.
02:52:45.000So they're bringing in Chinese nationals.
02:52:48.000There's a huge possibility of espionage.
02:53:11.000So you've open sourced it, and then think about the Manhattan Project.
02:53:15.000If that was just completely porous and there was an open door to any and all countries internationally, you just had the ability to come in and walk out with files come as you go.