The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2453 - Evan Hafer

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00:00:12.000 Oh man, what's happening, baby?

00:00:14.000 Everything, nothing at the same time.

00:00:17.000 I was just explaining all this shit that's on this desk.

00:00:19.000 It's like everybody likes to give me something that sits here, which is kind of cool.

00:00:24.000 Like Ed Calderon gave me this.

00:00:27.000 It's like a WD-40 with a lighter attached to it.

00:00:32.000 You can fucking blast people.

00:00:33.000 Is it like a self-defense?

00:00:35.000 I don't know.

00:00:36.000 He's always got these things, like cartel things.

00:00:39.000 That looks like the cartels.

00:00:40.000 It's 3D printed, yeah.

00:00:41.000 Yeah, I think it is.

00:00:43.000 That's cool.

00:00:44.000 I mean, it's a little portable flamethrower.

00:00:44.000 Yeah.

00:00:47.000 Holy shit.

00:00:49.000 From two common items.

00:00:51.000 And then I think it was Luke Caverns gave me this.

00:00:54.000 Is that who gave me this?

00:00:55.000 The Olmec. 0.66

00:00:56.000 No, the Olmec hand.

00:00:58.000 It's from the Olmecs. 0.77

00:00:59.000 Oh, is that what it is?

00:01:00.000 Yeah.

00:01:00.000 And then, of course, my man John Reeves is always giving me these mammoth things.

00:01:05.000 I got mammoth.

00:01:06.000 This is actually from Colossal, but he gave me a 1911 handle.

00:01:11.000 That's legit.

00:01:12.000 Yeah.

00:01:13.000 Even though, do you have any 1911s?

00:01:15.000 Yeah.

00:01:15.000 No.

00:01:16.000 I got 2011s.

00:01:17.000 Yeah, of course.

00:01:18.000 It's a huge upgrade.

00:01:20.000 Yeah.

00:01:21.000 But, you know, I'm sure it'll probably be able to fit.

00:01:24.000 Like, you can bring it to a gunsmith.

00:01:25.000 It can make it fit.

00:01:26.000 Yeah.

00:01:26.000 Well, you know what you could do?

00:01:27.000 You could have them make one for your bow.

00:01:29.000 So you could put the bone on each side of your bow.

00:01:33.000 Oh, I have that.

00:01:33.000 You have it?

00:01:34.000 Yeah, from Rattler Grip.

00:01:36.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:01:37.000 This is another piece.

00:01:39.000 Shout out to handsome Rob Rattler Grip Grips.

00:01:41.000 He always hooks me up.

00:01:42.000 Gives me those keep hammering ones.

00:01:44.000 Yeah, those are cool.

00:01:46.000 Yeah, it feels better, too.

00:01:47.000 It feels better in the hand.

00:01:48.000 It's interesting.

00:01:49.000 Like, Hoyt doesn't have a whole lot of options.

00:01:51.000 Like, Ultraview doesn't make their handles for Hoyt, but they make them for Matthews because he shoots Matthews.

00:01:57.000 But it's a nice handle upgrade.

00:01:59.000 It really does, like, the way it sits in your hand, it really does feel like a little better.

00:02:05.000 Are you still putting them on your Hoit for everyone?

00:02:08.000 The Rattler grips.

00:02:09.000 You do?

00:02:10.000 Yeah.

00:02:11.000 He just sent me some new ones.

00:02:12.000 It feels better.

00:02:13.000 And the bone, there's something about the bone.

00:02:15.000 It's more tactile in your hand than the plastic.

00:02:18.000 Well, I've been wrapping mine with that camouflage athletic tape.

00:02:21.000 Oh, really?

00:02:22.000 Yeah.

00:02:23.000 Bomar sells stuff like that.

00:02:24.000 He sells specific bow grip.

00:02:26.000 It's got a little bit of tackiness to it, but some people think you shouldn't have that.

00:02:30.000 They think your hand should be so relaxed that it should be able to slip around your hand so there's like no torque whatsoever in your front hand.

00:02:36.000 I don't like that.

00:02:38.000 I like to feel the dexterity of it, right?

00:02:41.000 I like to have a little bit of relief in the hand in the context of I got to have some grippiness to it.

00:02:48.000 Just like a baseball bat or any other things.

00:02:51.000 Even all of the Glocks and 2011s, I'll still do an upgrade on the stippling and clean a little bit more.

00:02:58.000 But I've also got giant hands for a, well, I shouldn't be, I shouldn't say I'm small.

00:03:04.000 Like I am two inches taller than the average Asian woman.

00:03:07.000 So I don't like to brag about it.

00:03:09.000 I don't want to come out with that right away.

00:03:11.000 It just might seem a little bit egotistical.

00:03:13.000 Yeah, but if you do anything, I think it's just like whether it's with archery or anything with shooting.

00:03:21.000 It just has to register with you.

00:03:24.000 It's not going to be the same with everybody.

00:03:26.000 I know dudes who just can't get used to finger triggers.

00:03:29.000 And some dudes just love finger triggers. 0.95

00:03:33.000 And some guys just have to shoot a hinge.

00:03:35.000 And some guys just can't do it.

00:03:37.000 I shoot them all, man.

00:03:38.000 Yeah.

00:03:39.000 Like I just have.

00:03:40.000 So I got that dump bag now that I basically all wear on the side.

00:03:44.000 And then I'll do the hinge roulette.

00:03:48.000 So I'll just reach in there.

00:03:49.000 And then I got to shoot a hinge.

00:03:49.000 Reach in.

00:03:51.000 or I've got to shoot this.

00:03:51.000 And the only way that you don't, or the mix-up part, you've got to shoot the wrist wrap, right?

00:03:58.000 Have to put that on.

00:03:58.000 You have to.

00:03:59.000 So you can't just do shooter roulette with all of that.

00:04:03.000 But that's the wrist straps a little bit more involved.

00:04:05.000 But I love having them.

00:04:07.000 I've been using the wise guy.

00:04:08.000 I've been, ever since our last hunt, I've been only using the wise guy.

00:04:12.000 And I'm used to it now.

00:04:14.000 It took a while.

00:04:15.000 I was like hammering the trigger for a little bit.

00:04:17.000 Like, after the thing is, it's like with archery, once your form breaks down and then you try to compensate because you're tired, like I think I should just limit myself to one hour.

00:04:29.000 And after one hour, just stop.

00:04:32.000 So is that what you're doing every day?

00:04:33.000 Is basically an hour?

00:04:35.000 Yeah.

00:04:36.000 A little bit more, a little, a little more.

00:04:37.000 Yeah, but it's when it's more, it's when things go sideways.

00:04:41.000 Like, I'll give myself like a few minutes break to let my arm relax.

00:04:45.000 And then I just, I'm just, it's too much compensating because my arm's tired.

00:04:49.000 Right.

00:04:50.000 And not enough, especially because the bow is 84.

00:04:53.000 Now I got the new one that's 90 pounds.

00:04:54.000 Is that what you're shooting every day?

00:04:56.000 You're shooting 90 pounds.

00:04:56.000 Yeah.

00:04:58.000 84 every day.

00:04:59.000 I haven't set up the 90 yet.

00:04:59.000 Yeah.

00:05:00.000 It's still got archery country.

00:05:02.000 And then do you, are you going out to 100 plus every day too, or do you stick to 85?

00:05:07.000 It's my standard in my backyard.

00:05:09.000 As long as there's no one wandering around.

00:05:12.000 When people are wandering around, I tend to, I get, you know, like this landscapers.

00:05:17.000 I, I don't do a long bomb.

00:05:19.000 I've got my wife is redoing this little garden house in the back, so she won't let me shoot at it anymore because she's afraid I'm going to put an arrow through her little hut that she's making. 1.00

00:05:31.000 She's actually doing all the work, too.

00:05:32.000 She's got like a tool belt on and she's out there hammering away. 1.00

00:05:35.000 Oh, that's great.

00:05:36.000 She's got the doors in and everything. 0.54

00:05:37.000 She's doing all the work. 0.99

00:05:38.000 Wow.

00:05:38.000 So she's like, you can no longer use this as your backstop because it was just a pile of shit that I could basically shoot arrows.

00:05:44.000 Oh, that's a bad trade.

00:05:45.000 It's a super bad trade.

00:05:46.000 Yeah, I need a backstop.

00:05:48.000 You got to fuck off.

00:05:49.000 Like, we were talking about must-haves for backyards.

00:05:52.000 Like, I got to be, I'm not living in a house where I can't shoot at least 50 yards.

00:05:57.000 I go out in the backyard.

00:05:57.000 No.

00:05:58.000 I get my range finder.

00:05:59.000 I bring a range finder when I look at houses.

00:06:01.000 No bullshit.

00:06:02.000 Are you serious?

00:06:03.000 100%.

00:06:04.000 I've been doing it for the last like six, seven years.

00:06:07.000 Before I bought this house in, well, the bot, when I bought the house in Austin, it was a big yard.

00:06:10.000 I'm like, we're good.

00:06:11.000 I just had to find a spot.

00:06:12.000 I was like, this is at least 100 yards from here to here.

00:06:15.000 Have you ever punched the trigger and put one out in the river?

00:06:19.000 I guess you shouldn't tell me that.

00:06:22.000 No, I never shoot towards the river because kayakers.

00:06:25.000 You never know when some, because like the kayakers, they like to go like real close to the shore.

00:06:30.000 And it's like, if you hear, fuck, that would suck.

00:06:37.000 Oh, my God.

00:06:38.000 I'd be in such deep shit.

00:06:40.000 I would never do it.

00:06:41.000 I wouldn't be such deep shit.

00:06:44.000 Deepest of deep shit.

00:06:45.000 An asshole like me who's always promoting archery, I shoot a kayaker with a field tip right through the fucking forehead.

00:06:53.000 See some poor lady? 1.00

00:06:55.000 Like a unicorn running through the river.

00:06:59.000 Oh, God.

00:07:00.000 Oh, my God.

00:07:02.000 I very rarely, I mean, if I'm shooting broadheads, I really know where I'm going. 1.00

00:07:06.000 Yeah.

00:07:07.000 I don't fuck around.

00:07:08.000 But with field tips, I'll launch some bombs.

00:07:11.000 But it's never in an area where there's anything behind me.

00:07:14.000 No.

00:07:15.000 It's just too risky.

00:07:15.000 I don't.

00:07:17.000 So I had an archery, little archery range in the back of my Salt Lake City building.

00:07:23.000 And I used to let everybody use it in the company.

00:07:27.000 And then after you've worked for the company for a while, you'd get your choice.

00:07:30.000 You get like a staccato or a rifle or a bow.

00:07:34.000 And then we're doing, we still do, right?

00:07:36.000 We still do a lot of better and adaptive athlete shoots and the tactical or tactical games and the total archery challenges.

00:07:42.000 So I've given away 100 bows probably.

00:07:45.000 Oh, that's a whole company.

00:07:47.000 Do you let them hear their brand and the whole deal?

00:07:49.000 No, no, no.

00:07:50.000 We partner.

00:07:51.000 We partnered with Hoyt on the last batch, and then we partnered with PSE.

00:07:54.000 We partner with kind of anybody that wants to go in 50-50 on us, right?

00:07:59.000 Oh, great.

00:08:00.000 That's awesome.

00:08:01.000 But then we'll make them black rifle custom, right?

00:08:03.000 So it's cool camouflage, a little branding on it.

00:08:07.000 But here's the downside to that: when you got a bunch of people shooting in the back, I had a storage facility in the back.

00:08:13.000 There were always arrows in this storage area.

00:08:17.000 And so finally, my general counsel came to me.

00:08:20.000 He's like, no more.

00:08:21.000 You got to stop.

00:08:22.000 You can't shoot any more arrows.

00:08:24.000 So I banned it for everybody except for me.

00:08:27.000 Me, Logan, you know, Matt, basically the people that could either absorb the legal fees or at least like explain it away.

00:08:35.000 Well, the thing about archery is it's such a it's it's a skill that 100% degrades.

00:08:42.000 Yeah.

00:08:42.000 Like you have to stay on it.

00:08:43.000 Yeah.

00:08:44.000 And you just can't trust that everyone's staying on it.

00:08:47.000 No.

00:08:48.000 It's it's even hard for me if I take three weeks off.

00:08:52.000 Yeah.

00:08:52.000 I was I was having that a little bit of tenanized in my left elbow.

00:08:56.000 So I took like a month off after hunting season.

00:08:59.000 And you put it back in your hand and it feels almost like a foreign object.

00:09:04.000 I know.

00:09:05.000 It feels horrible.

00:09:06.000 It's just gross until you have at least three or four days of shooting consistently back into the groove.

00:09:14.000 You can't put the arrow where you want.

00:09:17.000 It's just three weeks off.

00:09:18.000 And it feels to me like the more consistent I am in off-season, like the entire year.

00:09:26.000 Those are the years where I'm really shooting my best.

00:09:29.000 You can't just get back on the bow like a month before you have to go hunt.

00:09:34.000 You can't do it.

00:09:35.000 I can't.

00:09:35.000 I know guys that can.

00:09:37.000 Guys that I grew up with that had been shooting since they were nine.

00:09:42.000 Right, but they're really good shots.

00:09:43.000 Imagine how good they would be if they did it all the time.

00:09:45.000 Yeah.

00:09:46.000 Like a guy like Cam, like, he's not taking any time off.

00:09:49.000 No.

00:09:50.000 He's shooting every day.

00:09:51.000 But that's part.

00:09:52.000 He takes pleasure in the pain, too.

00:09:54.000 He doesn't take time off because he's.

00:09:57.000 That would be relaxing.

00:09:58.000 Yeah, it'd be relaxing.

00:09:59.000 Like, imagine, just imagine that.

00:10:02.000 Like, Cam Haynes on vacation.

00:10:04.000 His feet up, you know, drinking on the beach.

00:10:06.000 Is that even like a...

00:10:07.000 No.

00:10:08.000 That's not even a thing.

00:10:09.000 I've gone on vacation with him.

00:10:10.000 Have you really?

00:10:11.000 Yeah, but we went vacationing in Lanai where we could bow hunt.

00:10:15.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:10:15.000 So we would bow hunt at least once a day because Lanai, you know, you've been.

00:10:20.000 It's crazy.

00:10:21.000 It's one of the craziest places on earth.

00:10:23.000 For people that don't know, there's 3,000 people and 30,000 deer.

00:10:27.000 And they were given by King Kamehameha by whoever the head dude was in India.

00:10:27.000 Yeah.

00:10:35.000 He's like, he gave him a gift of Axis. 0.88

00:10:37.000 Is that where they came from?

00:10:39.000 I didn't realize that that was the actual timeline.

00:10:42.000 I didn't realize that.

00:10:42.000 Yeah.

00:10:43.000 And they're everywhere.

00:10:43.000 Yeah.

00:10:45.000 They tried to reintroduce them, try to introduce them to the big island.

00:10:49.000 Like, I know Shane Dorian was all pumped about it, but then they eradicated them.

00:10:53.000 People killed them.

00:10:54.000 They said they were invasive.

00:10:55.000 I think they need to be everywhere they can be.

00:10:57.000 They're delicious.

00:10:58.000 They're the most delicious of the deer.

00:11:01.000 Of course.

00:11:02.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:11:03.000 Next to elk.

00:11:03.000 It's like, for me, it's elk and then axis.

00:11:06.000 But axes are the most challenging to hunt.

00:11:08.000 They're the fastest things I've ever seen in my life.

00:11:10.000 They move so fast, it doesn't even make sense.

00:11:12.000 It's like, how are you doing that?

00:11:14.000 You could dodge an arrow from 30 yards away, and the arrow's not even close to them when it gets there.

00:11:19.000 I had a female bedded at 30, and she jumped the string on her bed at 30 yards. 1.00

00:11:27.000 That was my first shot.

00:11:28.000 And I realized, holy shit.

00:11:31.000 Yeah, they're different.

00:11:31.000 I've got to up my game.

00:11:33.000 Well, it's like they evolved with tigers.

00:11:35.000 Oh, yeah.

00:11:36.000 It's like, you got to be able to go.

00:11:36.000 Yeah, that's the thing.

00:11:38.000 Can you imagine how tough you would be if you evolved with tigers?

00:11:43.000 That would be sick.

00:11:45.000 Well, that's the problem with America, period.

00:11:48.000 It's like there's not enough, there's too many people running around with zero physical challenges, and they're so soft.

00:11:58.000 Like, there's a giant percentage of our population that is so soft.

00:12:03.000 And if like if there was like a, if the world went nuclear, we lost everything, and then it was like hand-to-hand battles, every country could invade America if we run out of bullets.

00:12:14.000 Once we run out of bullets, every country can fuck us up.

00:12:17.000 Yeah, right.

00:12:18.000 You can walk around.

00:12:19.000 I think, well, that's, you know, with coffee, right?

00:12:22.000 The best coffee shops are like, there's so much stuff on Instagram.

00:12:25.000 It's so funny.

00:12:26.000 Because you walk into a coffee shop, and if you see the craziest looking freak, it's going to have the best coffee.

00:12:33.000 For recycling.

00:12:35.000 But it's the same left-wing weirdo fucking lip rings.

00:12:40.000 Oh, yeah.

00:12:41.000 How many nose rings do you have?

00:12:42.000 Like, how many colors do you have in your hair?

00:12:44.000 And how many pronouns do you have?

00:12:46.000 Because that's like, you're going to make the greatest espresso I've ever had.

00:12:51.000 And that's the joke, right?

00:12:53.000 Because I'll go cruise around in Austin for the last couple of weeks.

00:12:56.000 Yeah, you see a dude who's jacked with a hand tattoo.

00:12:58.000 He's going to make you a bullshit coffee. 0.72

00:13:00.000 It's like, I can make you pour over.

00:13:02.000 I mean, I can just pour it over.

00:13:05.000 What?

00:13:05.000 He'll make you some cowboy coffee.

00:13:07.000 He's going to fucking one of them tin pots that you put on the fire.

00:13:10.000 Take his sock off or something.

00:13:12.000 Like, I'm good.

00:13:13.000 I'm all set, man.

00:13:14.000 I'm all set.

00:13:17.000 What is it about baristas?

00:13:19.000 Like, how did that become such a left-wing, safe place?

00:13:24.000 You know, I don't know.

00:13:25.000 I think the origin of it comes from San Francisco, Seattle, right?

00:13:29.000 All the, we'll say the left-wing, left coast, all of the wokeism.

00:13:35.000 Yeah, because that also drove most of what I would say is the third and fourth wave.

00:13:41.000 Because there's one, two, three, four basic waves in coffee.

00:13:46.000 Third and fourth wave are the most recent.

00:13:48.000 Fourth wave would be considered single origin, very lightly roast coffees.

00:13:53.000 And you've been to these coffee shops.

00:13:55.000 You know what they look like.

00:13:57.000 It takes you 15 minutes to get a cup of coffee.

00:14:00.000 They typically won't even talk to you.

00:14:02.000 They look down at the computer screen, but it's going to be decent cop, right?

00:14:06.000 So if you go first wave, which is going to be like Folger's, Maxwell House, that's like been around for 100 years.

00:14:12.000 That's a commodity coffee.

00:14:13.000 It's going to have Robusta.

00:14:15.000 It's going to be darker roasted.

00:14:17.000 That's going to be first wave.

00:14:19.000 And then second wave would be experiential.

00:14:23.000 So it'd be more like Starbucks.

00:14:25.000 It's kind of second wave would be experiential, dark.

00:14:28.000 And then third wave would be more artisan, micro lot, single origin.

00:14:32.000 And then fourth wave is kind of a mix of the best in third wave that really activates your senses in the sense of like, now they're doing anaerobics.

00:14:44.000 So they're using things from like wine and beer and they're developing all these different profiles.

00:14:50.000 But that artisan craft, the genesis in like San Francisco and Seattle from third wave, they took on identity politics and then drove it through the trade.

00:15:01.000 It's pretty impressive.

00:15:02.000 So it's so weird because if you go anywhere, you can get amazing cups of coffee.

00:15:07.000 You're just going to like wade through the wokeism to go get it.

00:15:10.000 Yeah.

00:15:11.000 I can't go there.

00:15:12.000 No.

00:15:12.000 I was at a Starbucks the other day and two lesbians walked in.

00:15:16.000 They saw me and they left.

00:15:17.000 What?

00:15:19.000 That's how that was.

00:15:20.000 They said, we can't.

00:15:21.000 We can't do this.

00:15:23.000 They looked in my face and they said, we can't do this.

00:15:25.000 And they left.

00:15:26.000 I was like, I'm a big fan.

00:15:28.000 Big fan of your work.

00:15:28.000 Yeah.

00:15:29.000 Big fan of your work.

00:15:31.000 I had a cup of coffee from Starbucks, which I rarely go into, but it was up to my family.

00:15:36.000 And it was so bad.

00:15:38.000 A cup of black coffee.

00:15:39.000 It's all a drink.

00:15:40.000 I don't put anything in it.

00:15:41.000 I was like, this is like not drinkable.

00:15:43.000 It tastes like shit, which is like everybody throws a bunch of cream in there and a bunch of sugar in there and you get your caffeine and it tastes like what you like.

00:15:52.000 But if you just try to just drink coffee at Starbucks, it is such a bad product.

00:15:58.000 And that doesn't have to be like that.

00:16:01.000 Well, part of the problem is they're over-roasted because they know it's going to have cream and sugar in it.

00:16:08.000 But why over-roast it then?

00:16:10.000 Because you can make a consistent profile and it's just consistently very dark and extremely acidic, basically.

00:16:20.000 And that becomes the consistency in the product.

00:16:23.000 Do you think people have this thing in their head that the darker the coffee is, the stronger it is?

00:16:27.000 Yeah, of course.

00:16:28.000 That's one of the huge misconceptions, right?

00:16:29.000 So they just bucket the misconceptions in here, which is, you know, coffee is not a bean, it's a fruit.

00:16:35.000 So it's a cherry, and then you roast the pit.

00:16:38.000 So the second one would probably be the darker you roast something, the more caffeine it's going to have, which is absolutely not the case.

00:16:46.000 It's the opposite.

00:16:47.000 It's completely opposite because you've got two genetic strains.

00:16:50.000 You've got Robusta and Arabica. 1.00

00:16:52.000 Robusta is smaller bean.

00:16:54.000 It's got more caffeine.

00:16:55.000 It's also more bitter.

00:16:57.000 Arabica probably constitutes probably 60 to 70% of the world's coffee, but it's more flavor.

00:17:04.000 It's got less caffeine and it's less acidic in general.

00:17:08.000 And then when you over-roast it, you can kind of combine multiple lots, multiple variants of Arabica.

00:17:16.000 Oh, I see.

00:17:17.000 And then you can consistent, you can make this consistent profile.

00:17:20.000 So it consistently sucks.

00:17:22.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:17:23.000 But if you're going to put cream and sugar in it, nobody cares because they're like, I just need something that's going to serve as a caffeine vehicle for my cream and sugar.

00:17:34.000 I know, but wouldn't that be okay if you just had good coffee and did that and didn't burn it?

00:17:40.000 Well, I do.

00:17:40.000 I think that's where third wave and fourth wave, it's more directly related to the quality of the coffee.

00:17:49.000 It's no cream, no sugar.

00:17:52.000 And it's more first and second wave.

00:17:54.000 It's cream and sugar.

00:17:55.000 Because you're going to have to cover up the inconsistencies.

00:17:58.000 Well, some people just like it anyway because what they're getting is a treat.

00:18:02.000 They're not thinking of it as like, I'm drinking coffee.

00:18:04.000 Like they're getting a treat.

00:18:05.000 Right.

00:18:06.000 Like if you have order a Frappuccino.

00:18:08.000 It's a milkshake.

00:18:09.000 It's a milkshake.

00:18:10.000 Yeah.

00:18:10.000 It's tons of sugar.

00:18:12.000 Tons of caffeine too.

00:18:12.000 Yeah.

00:18:13.000 You're like, sitting in your cubicle.

00:18:16.000 You've got like 100 grams of sugar, 200 milligrams of caffeine.

00:18:20.000 You're like, you're skyrocketing with just energy until you crash and then you need another one.

00:18:26.000 Yeah, and then you're just doing that all day and frying your central nervous system.

00:18:29.000 And then when you get out of work, you just die.

00:18:31.000 You just go home and go home and melt on the couch and watch some sports, man.

00:18:36.000 Yeah, your insulin's all fucked up.

00:18:38.000 You're falling asleep.

00:18:42.000 The coffee nerd conversations just put half the fucking audience to sleep, too. 0.66

00:18:46.000 I don't care.

00:18:48.000 I don't care.

00:18:49.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:18:50.000 It's so funny, man.

00:18:51.000 I'll start talking about it.

00:18:52.000 I'm like, I should not.

00:18:54.000 Because I was a comms guy back in my previous profession, my previous life.

00:19:00.000 And it's so funny because when you talk about communications and just technology in general and you start analyzing like, you know, frequencies and spectrum analyzers or whatever, whatever you want to talk about, people's eyes would just glaze over in the tea room.

00:19:16.000 And I'd be like, all right, well, you guys want to go blow some shit up?

00:19:19.000 Like, why don't we shift the topic?

00:19:21.000 Because you guys don't want to talk about this.

00:19:23.000 I know you don't want to hear about it.

00:19:25.000 So in cross-training, it's just you try to keep people awake, basically.

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00:20:22.000 Well, there's a lot of people that have a hard time focusing on something that isn't exciting.

00:20:28.000 Oh, yeah.

00:20:28.000 For whatever reason.

00:20:29.000 Even if it's like important technical details that'll help you do things that are exciting.

00:20:34.000 You know, it's the delayed gratification.

00:20:36.000 Right.

00:20:36.000 They're the same type of people that don't like to do cold plunges or don't like to do certain things that you're not going to feel an immediate benefit.

00:20:44.000 It's going to suck while you're doing it.

00:20:45.000 So you put it off.

00:20:46.000 Like you've got to have a mindset that there's some things that suck that will make the things that are exciting way better.

00:20:53.000 Like for comics, it's writing, like sitting down and writing.

00:20:53.000 Yeah.

00:20:57.000 You know, because a lot of comics don't want to write.

00:20:59.000 They just want to come out with ideas through the day and then work them out on stage.

00:21:02.000 I'm like, that is great.

00:21:03.000 You can do that.

00:21:04.000 But you should also write because the ideas that come to you while you're writing, they won't come any other way.

00:21:09.000 And those are like little gifts from the universe.

00:21:12.000 And the only way you get them is you got to sit down with a fucking pad of paper or a computer in front of you and come up with them.

00:21:18.000 You got to sit down and start working and let the mind just slowly but surely pop them out.

00:21:25.000 How often do you do that?

00:21:27.000 At least four days a week.

00:21:29.000 For an hour, two hours?

00:21:31.000 Yeah, at least an hour.

00:21:32.000 I try to write a thousand words.

00:21:35.000 So it might be an hour, it might be two hours.

00:21:38.000 And then out of those thousand words, I might get a paragraph.

00:21:40.000 Like, there it is.

00:21:41.000 That's what I was looking for.

00:21:43.000 You're basically looking for arrowheads in a field.

00:21:45.000 You know, you're picking up a giant clump of dirt and you're shaking it out and washing it over.

00:21:49.000 And ah, got one.

00:21:52.000 So, do you try that out on anybody before you actually?

00:21:54.000 No, you just like, okay, this is the thing.

00:21:56.000 I'm pretty sure I got something.

00:21:58.000 When I got something, I'm pretty sure I got it, but I don't know what it's going to be until the audience tells me.

00:22:03.000 When you have your own club, so you can just try to help.

00:22:06.000 You just like drive in.

00:22:07.000 That's Wednesday.

00:22:08.000 Let me try.

00:22:08.000 Even when I didn't, I would go to the store.

00:22:10.000 I'd go to the, like, say, if I have a bit and it's exciting, I'm like, oh, I wrote something that's good.

00:22:15.000 I would go to the improv, and then I'd go to the store, and maybe I'd go to the ice house.

00:22:18.000 Right.

00:22:19.000 I bang out a few sets, at least two in a night.

00:22:22.000 Some, you know, you could travel around.

00:22:24.000 Like, LA was really good for that.

00:22:26.000 Austin's amazing for that.

00:22:27.000 There's seven clubs on my street now.

00:22:29.000 What?

00:22:30.000 Oh, yeah, between my street and the neighboring streets.

00:22:33.000 So you got us, and then right down the street is the Sunset Room, which Red Band owns.

00:22:38.000 And then right up across from that, you got Creek in the Cave, which is awesome.

00:22:42.000 And then you got the Vulcan, which is right down the street.

00:22:44.000 And there's a bunch of other small rooms.

00:22:45.000 There's the Black Rabbit.

00:22:47.000 There's all these rooms that have comedy at least three or four nights a week.

00:22:50.000 So if you're like a guy or a girl coming up right now in Austin, you could really work.

00:22:55.000 You could work.

00:22:56.000 And they're all paying.

00:22:57.000 So you're collecting 50 bucks here.

00:22:59.000 My club pays more.

00:23:01.000 My club plays the most.

00:23:02.000 But all these different places, they pay, you know, like actual money for you to do a set.

00:23:06.000 At the end of the night, you got a few hundred bucks.

00:23:08.000 You can get something to eat.

00:23:09.000 Like, there's all these comedies that don't have to do the road now.

00:23:12.000 Right.

00:23:13.000 So like they used to just have to do the road to pay their rent and for food.

00:23:16.000 You don't have to do that anymore.

00:23:17.000 You could like stay in town and really build up material and then go out on the road.

00:23:23.000 Is the material going to shift?

00:23:24.000 I know it's regionally.

00:23:26.000 You've got to have your.

00:23:28.000 I'm not saying like left or right.

00:23:30.000 I'm just saying does the material have to shift based on where you're at?

00:23:32.000 So if you're in LA, is the crowd a little bit different?

00:23:36.000 The people are going to be more accepting, less accepting, expect something a little bit different.

00:23:41.000 You can hear that.

00:23:42.000 You can't.

00:23:43.000 You just like, here's the joke.

00:23:44.000 Let me run it.

00:23:45.000 Well, the good thing is if they're not accepting of an idea, maybe you should re-examine that idea and maybe figure out like, why am I, maybe I should figure out a better way to make this idea acceptable.

00:23:57.000 You know, because there's ideas where I'll start it off and it's just like, oh, this ain't going anywhere.

00:24:03.000 And then I'm like, there's got to be an angle in here.

00:24:05.000 And then I'll find a whole other angle.

00:24:07.000 I'm like, ha ha, now I have it.

00:24:09.000 And then I have to find an angle.

00:24:10.000 Like, what if I was a woman and I was watching this and I'm looking at this fucking meathead on stage and I'm like, okay, like, I got to figure out a way to get them to understand that just because I look like this doesn't mean I'm a bad guy.

00:24:22.000 Like, let me work this into your head first and then explain it from my perspective.

00:24:28.000 It's funny because I look like this.

00:24:30.000 It doesn't mean I'm a bad guy.

00:24:32.000 It's an automatic assumption.

00:24:34.000 You know, I mean, it's an untold prejudice that men with muscles in particular are assholes.

00:24:41.000 Right.

00:24:41.000 Like instantly.

00:24:42.000 Yeah, you've got a very definitive look.

00:24:46.000 And then as soon as you open your mouth, they're assuming that you're going to be just the complete asshole.

00:24:51.000 Yeah.

00:24:51.000 Right.

00:24:52.000 Like a mean person.

00:24:53.000 Yeah.

00:24:54.000 You know, covered in tattoos, cage fighting comedy.

00:24:58.000 I know that you can craft a joke because you've been doing this for forever, but is there a certain amount of pleasure that you get now from bombing sometimes?

00:25:08.000 Snooping in?

00:25:10.000 Terrible.

00:25:11.000 I always say bombing on stage, like sucking a thousand dicks in front of your mother. 0.99

00:25:11.000 Really? 0.99

00:25:15.000 But the difference is, like, there's probably a guy out there that likes sucking a thousand dicks as far as you can.

00:25:20.000 You made me do this bomb.

00:25:22.000 Come on, mom. 1.00

00:25:23.000 99.

00:25:25.000 There's a guy out there that would like take some.

00:25:27.000 I mean, these people are into shit porn and all kinds of nutty things.

00:25:32.000 You're drawing the same parallel to like bombing and people are into shit porn.

00:25:37.000 Yeah, if you like bombing, you're into people shitting in your mouth.

00:25:41.000 You don't want people to have a bad time.

00:25:41.000 It's not fun.

00:25:43.000 They're there to have fun.

00:25:44.000 These people work.

00:25:45.000 They're working all day.

00:25:46.000 They're fucking tired.

00:25:48.000 You want them to have a good ass time. 0.82

00:25:50.000 And the only way for them to have a good ass time is for you to do your job.

00:25:53.000 Right.

00:25:54.000 You know, but it's, it has to sometimes not work well.

00:26:00.000 And there's like this moment when I'm about to do a new bit.

00:26:02.000 I'm like, God, I don't even want to do this.

00:26:03.000 I don't know where this goes.

00:26:05.000 But I have to.

00:26:06.000 You got to trot it out there and hope that you could find an angle.

00:26:09.000 So you don't try those on your, like with your wife or anything.

00:26:14.000 You know, the worst.

00:26:15.000 Yeah.

00:26:15.000 She'd be the one.

00:26:16.000 She'd just tear you down. 0.99

00:26:17.000 She would just stare at me like, what is wrong with you?

00:26:23.000 It's like she and I have a very good balance because she's so different than me.

00:26:28.000 But has a lot of the same values as me.

00:26:31.000 Yeah.

00:26:31.000 You know, like discipline and she's very smart and she's interested in things.

00:26:35.000 But we're very different.

00:26:37.000 Well, it's so funny because my wife and I will walk around, right?

00:26:41.000 And I'm a very amateur comedian just around my friends.

00:26:45.000 I try to, I try really hard, right?

00:26:46.000 I'm not even close.

00:26:47.000 I'm just like, you know, I specialize in stupid shit that I say.

00:26:50.000 Basically, that's where I'm going with this.

00:26:52.000 And she, when I get her to laugh, that's like that means way more to me than like my friends.

00:27:01.000 Sure, I can make them laugh.

00:27:02.000 Like I can make my employees to laugh.

00:27:04.000 I kind of pay them to, you know?

00:27:06.000 But like when my wife laughs, that means it's fucking funny. 1.00

00:27:09.000 That's legit.

00:27:10.000 It means it means something, right?

00:27:12.000 It's like, it's legit.

00:27:13.000 She's like a one-person crowd, right?

00:27:16.000 So we were walking around.

00:27:16.000 I was talking about, have you seen that Burt Kreicher Freebert?

00:27:20.000 Have you seen his new series?

00:27:21.000 I've only seen the trailers, but everybody that saw it loves it.

00:27:24.000 It's really funny, man.

00:27:27.000 And so I was like, we should watch this.

00:27:29.000 You should check it out.

00:27:29.000 She watched it like five minutes.

00:27:30.000 She's like, this is such a dude show.

00:27:32.000 Fuck you.

00:27:32.000 I've never watched this.

00:27:35.000 But it's the same.

00:27:36.000 It's like what I want to watch and I think is funny.

00:27:39.000 She's like, absolutely not.

00:27:41.000 But then she wants to watch some like true crime thing around it, you know, a dude that killed his wife.

00:27:46.000 And I'm like, they love it.

00:27:47.000 They love it.

00:27:48.000 Why do they love that?

00:27:50.000 It's so weird.

00:27:51.000 It's like genetic that they love it because my kids love those shows.

00:27:55.000 Really?

00:27:55.000 They love serial killer expose shows and all these true crimes.

00:28:00.000 And I don't like any of that.

00:28:01.000 I was talking to my daughter about it, and she said, because girls don't do things like this. 1.00

00:28:06.000 So we kind of want to see what's going on in a man's mind that makes him, it's such a mystery.

00:28:13.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:28:14.000 Like it's such a mystery.

00:28:16.000 Like most men can imagine a scenario where there's a bunch of people that did some horrible shit in a room and you just go in there and fucking kill all of them.

00:28:28.000 Most men, most men can say, oh yeah, there's a place.

00:28:31.000 There's a place.

00:28:32.000 Like if someone did something and I knew they did something and they're in that room and they need to go, they need to go.

00:28:38.000 Most women can't think like that. 1.00

00:28:40.000 They don't think like that.

00:28:41.000 It's not inside their head.

00:28:42.000 And then there's the darkness of it.

00:28:44.000 Like these aren't men that are doing something to someone who deserves it.

00:28:47.000 They're just doing it to vulnerable people.

00:28:50.000 They're just evil creatures who just want to go out and hunt vulnerable people.

00:28:55.000 And I think women want to know that there are men like that out there that are so different than them so they can put it in their head.

00:29:03.000 Like, okay, serial killers are real.

00:29:06.000 Right.

00:29:06.000 Like these true crime shows have shown me this, and I want to know what to look for.

00:29:11.000 Right.

00:29:12.000 That's right there.

00:29:13.000 Whereas, have you ever spent a second of your life in fear or fearing a serial killer?

00:29:19.000 Not really.

00:29:20.000 No.

00:29:20.000 It's not a realistic fear.

00:29:22.000 But if I was at a truck stop and there was some fucking shady dude that came into the bathroom after me and he was like waiting outside and it didn't look like he needed to use the bathroom, I would be 100% on guard.

00:29:35.000 Like there's people that will just randomly kill people just for a thrill and get away with it.

00:29:41.000 And I think there's way more of them getting away with it than they'd like us to know.

00:29:46.000 Like here's a good example.

00:29:49.000 In Austin, what is the actual number of people who have bodies that have been found in Lady?

00:29:57.000 Put this into our wonderful sponsor, Perplexity, before it becomes the digital god that takes over the universe, this AI.

00:30:04.000 What are the numbers of people that have been found drowned in Ladybird Lake over the last three years?

00:30:13.000 It's something crazy.

00:30:14.000 Is it really?

00:30:15.000 Yeah, it's like 30.

00:30:16.000 I thought this was just a funny joke for Tony to talk about.

00:30:18.000 Oh, no, it's like a real thing.

00:30:21.000 It's real.

00:30:21.000 No, no, no.

00:30:22.000 It's real.

00:30:22.000 Right.

00:30:23.000 So the cops don't want to say it's a serial killer.

00:30:25.000 They think it's because it's over by Rainy Street.

00:30:27.000 A lot of people are partying.

00:30:29.000 But there's the bodies keep piling up.

00:30:32.000 38.

00:30:33.000 Yeah.

00:30:33.000 What?

00:30:34.000 And they want to say it's not a serial killer?

00:30:36.000 2022.

00:30:38.000 Data showing at least 38 bodies found in or around Ladybird Lake.

00:30:46.000 Separate map-based analysis of Ladybird Lake downtown area reports.

00:30:52.000 Four deaths in 2022, five in 2023, five in 2024, two in 2025.

00:30:59.000 So this is downtown area.

00:31:03.000 These map numbers focus on a specific stretch of the lake, while the 38 body figures cover all bodies found in or around the lake in that period.

00:31:11.000 These might be right near that bar area on Rainbow Street.

00:31:13.000 Right, right on Rainy Street.

00:31:14.000 Yeah.

00:31:15.000 Or the other parts of the lake.

00:31:17.000 So they're basically saying these guys get drunk and they end up passing out in the water.

00:31:24.000 I mean, all you would have to do is get someone drunk enough where you could hold them underwater.

00:31:30.000 It's not, I mean, if you were a guy who wasn't drinking or you had a really good tolerance or you're a big person, no evidence of serial murder.

00:31:30.000 Yeah.

00:31:39.000 Says the patterns match typical accidental drowning risks, young adult men, nightlife, easy water access, or some guy was drowning gay guys.

00:31:51.000 Could be because a lot of them are gay.

00:31:53.000 Like a giant percentage of these guys are gay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:31:56.000 Because it's near a gay area. 0.68

00:31:57.000 That's the gay rainy street is like the party area where there's a lot of gay bars.

00:32:02.000 That's why it's such a funny joke for Tony.

00:32:04.000 Well, it's a weird thing, man.

00:32:04.000 Yeah.

00:32:07.000 It's a weird thing because at what point in time does someone have to get caught before they say, oh, Jesus, these weren't just a coincidence.

00:32:15.000 Someone was drowning people.

00:32:17.000 Because I don't think it was a common thing.

00:32:19.000 I think, like, you know, you maybe get one a year.

00:32:22.000 Some fucking drunk hops off a boat and doesn't know what he's doing and drowns.

00:32:25.000 That does happen.

00:32:26.000 But this is not that.

00:32:28.000 This is way more.

00:32:29.000 38 bodies in a few years is kind of kooky.

00:32:33.000 Well, and how many of those, if you think about it, right?

00:32:36.000 How many serial killers are out there?

00:32:38.000 Because the FBI, obviously, they've done the analysis on it.

00:32:40.000 There's probably like 100, 200, 300 serial killers.

00:32:45.000 That's how many point in time.

00:32:46.000 Always.

00:32:47.000 There's always, yeah.

00:32:48.000 Always has been.

00:32:49.000 And most of them, well, I'll say, yeah, I wanted to get caught.

00:32:53.000 Or, yeah, it took you long enough.

00:32:54.000 Like, I was getting sloppy, right?

00:32:56.000 My murder lust took over.

00:32:58.000 There was 200 since 2004.

00:33:01.000 Oh, my gosh.

00:33:02.000 What?

00:33:06.000 Oh, my God.

00:33:08.000 Autopsy report found alcohol present in a large share of the cases, sometimes at levels above the legal driving limit, which is not much, by the way.

00:33:15.000 Legal driving limit is like two drinks.

00:33:17.000 And police specifically describe most rainy street area drownings as alcohol or drug-related.

00:33:24.000 I've heard people getting, you know, dosed.

00:33:26.000 They get like roofied and whatnot.

00:33:28.000 And they're like, I've heard a lot, too many cases.

00:33:31.000 Never in a city have I lived, I've heard that many people saying they've been roofied.

00:33:34.000 Yeah.

00:33:34.000 No, I think it's, I don't think it's specific to here.

00:33:39.000 I think it's everywhere.

00:33:40.000 It's GHB, I think, is a lot of it.

00:33:42.000 People are dosing people up with GHB.

00:33:45.000 That's a big one.

00:33:46.000 How many serial killers are there?

00:33:48.000 Yeah.

00:33:49.000 How many active serial killers do they estimate are in America right now?

00:33:55.000 Let's guess.

00:33:57.000 You think 10?

00:33:58.000 I think 100.

00:33:58.000 Yeah.

00:33:59.000 Whoa.

00:34:00.000 I'm going 100.

00:34:00.000 Yeah.

00:34:01.000 This is like a wheel of fortune type scenario.

00:34:03.000 Yeah, man.

00:34:04.000 Holy shit.

00:34:05.000 100 is nuts.

00:34:06.000 If it's 100.

00:34:07.000 I think it's 100.

00:34:08.000 That's crazy.

00:34:09.000 300.

00:34:10.000 Interesting.

00:34:11.000 Huh?

00:34:14.000 25 to 50 at any given time.

00:34:16.000 Wow.

00:34:17.000 Wow.

00:34:18.000 Range reflects killers who have committed at least two murders with a cooling off period and are still operating undetected.

00:34:25.000 I like the cooling off period.

00:34:27.000 Man, maybe I take a break.

00:34:29.000 You're scrubbing the fucking blood out of the inside of your fingernails.

00:34:33.000 Serial killings make up less than 1% of U.S. homicides overall.

00:34:36.000 Numbers peaked at around 300 in the 1970s and 1980s.

00:34:40.000 There were 300 active serial killers in the 70s and the 80s.

00:34:45.000 I bet that was because that was when it was like son of Sam.

00:34:49.000 It was like trendy.

00:34:50.000 Yeah.

00:34:51.000 I think it was probably a lot of bored dudes just didn't like working in an office.

00:34:55.000 It's like Ted Bundy and Son of Sam.

00:34:58.000 All those guys were like the greatest.

00:34:59.000 All over the news.

00:35:00.000 All over the news.

00:35:01.000 It was huge.

00:35:01.000 Yeah.

00:35:03.000 Why are there fewer serial killers now than there used to be?

00:35:08.000 What was the answer?

00:35:09.000 That's probably just because it's easier to get caught now.

00:35:12.000 People are probably more afraid to try.

00:35:13.000 Yeah, because you think about all the technology and the surveillance.

00:35:16.000 Like, you get rolled up.

00:35:17.000 Yeah.

00:35:17.000 You get a.

00:35:19.000 I think the creepiest one was that dude who studied serial killers in college and then went and killed those girls at that dorm house.

00:35:28.000 You know that story?

00:35:29.000 What was that in Seattle?

00:35:30.000 I think there was Idaho.

00:35:32.000 Yeah, it was Ted Bundy, right?

00:35:33.000 Recent different?

00:35:33.000 No, no, no.

00:35:34.000 Oh, it was recent.

00:35:35.000 Yeah.

00:35:35.000 Recent.

00:35:37.000 He knew the people that lived there.

00:35:39.000 He studied.

00:35:41.000 What did he study exactly in college?

00:35:44.000 Like he was studying it like he was trying to learn how to not get caught.

00:35:47.000 Oh.

00:35:48.000 This fucking guy.

00:35:48.000 Yeah, this guy.

00:35:49.000 Oh.

00:35:50.000 Horrific new details about the final moments of the four University of Idaho stabbing.

00:35:55.000 Oh, gosh.

00:35:56.000 So that's where I went to school.

00:35:57.000 That's the University of Idaho.

00:35:58.000 He stabbed the four victims at least 150 times in total.

00:36:02.000 I didn't realize that was like the case from Moscow.

00:36:06.000 Yeah, Jesus Christ.

00:36:08.000 Yeah.

00:36:08.000 This sick fuck.

00:36:09.000 So this guy, he was studying it in college.

00:36:14.000 So I forget what criminal justice.

00:36:19.000 Let's see if we can find out.

00:36:21.000 But it was very clear that he had been planning this a long time.

00:36:25.000 And there was also a possible connection to him and some murders from the Pacific Northwest that he knew the people, people died in a kind of a similar way.

00:36:35.000 He might have gotten away with it up there.

00:36:36.000 So he tried it up there and then went to Idaho.

00:36:40.000 PhD criminology student.

00:36:42.000 Oh my gosh.

00:36:43.000 Well, that makes sense.

00:36:44.000 It does.

00:36:45.000 So he's educating himself on how to get away with it.

00:36:49.000 He was that guy that if you had your comms class, he'd be sitting there like this.

00:36:54.000 He's like way into it.

00:36:55.000 Yeah, way into it.

00:36:56.000 Oh, okay.

00:36:57.000 He wanted to know all the details.

00:36:57.000 Yeah.

00:36:59.000 The Pacific Northwest is like, that's a spot.

00:37:01.000 These guys love it up there.

00:37:03.000 I don't know if it's like the rain, you know?

00:37:05.000 Well, we had a lady that was connecting it. 1.00

00:37:08.000 She came on the podcast and she was connecting a bunch of serial killers from a very specific area that did a lot of mining, right?

00:37:16.000 Wasn't it mining and the industrial pollution?

00:37:20.000 Oh, so it was like increased increased lead or something, right, in the water or something?

00:37:24.000 What was the processing of it?

00:37:29.000 Like what are those?

00:37:31.000 When they're burning it.

00:37:32.000 Yeah.

00:37:33.000 What's that called?

00:37:34.000 Leaching?

00:37:36.000 Yeah, it was lead, but it was other stuff.

00:37:38.000 It was other stuff like there's arsenic in it, and there's a lot of shit.

00:37:41.000 But what am I looking for?

00:37:44.000 Why can't I come up with that term?

00:37:46.000 The plants where they burn all the shit.

00:37:50.000 Power plants.

00:37:51.000 What's the term?

00:37:52.000 God damn it.

00:37:53.000 Caroline Frazier.

00:37:55.000 What's her name?

00:37:55.000 I don't know.

00:37:56.000 Caroline Fraser.

00:37:57.000 Yeah, maybe Paul would know if he got stamina on here.

00:38:01.000 And she could talk about, he could talk about the mushroom or the fungi in the Pacific Northwest.

00:38:05.000 Maybe it has something to do with it.

00:38:07.000 I think that would probably stop him from doing it.

00:38:07.000 I don't think so.

00:38:09.000 But her take was that there was all these places.

00:38:14.000 What is the term I'm looking for where they incinerate shit, like a power plant, like a coal plant?

00:38:19.000 There's a term.

00:38:20.000 I can't remember what it is.

00:38:21.000 Anyway, they're releasing an incredible amount of toxins in the atmosphere.

00:38:26.000 And a lot of the shit is coming down in rain.

00:38:28.000 It's getting in the ground.

00:38:29.000 All the ground around there is all polluted.

00:38:31.000 Everything's polluted.

00:38:33.000 And so what her take is that all these people have suffered chemical pollution.

00:38:38.000 And a lot of that chemical pollution leads to all sorts of weird psychological disorders and psychosis and all kinds of shit, depending upon the levels of exposure.

00:38:47.000 So this is why you have increased serial killers in the Pacific Northwest.

00:38:52.000 This is interesting.

00:38:53.000 Yeah, there was a bunch of power plants up there.

00:38:55.000 Interesting.

00:38:56.000 Coal plants and smelting and just a lot of mining.

00:39:00.000 There's a lot of mineral-rich resources up there.

00:39:04.000 So I should be concerned because I spent most of my life up there.

00:39:07.000 Well, half of it at least.

00:39:08.000 Yeah.

00:39:09.000 I think now they've cleaned it up, though.

00:39:09.000 It depends.

00:39:11.000 Like she was connecting it to a long time ago.

00:39:14.000 But there's areas back there where she was saying that they do an analysis of the soil and it's just completely fucked.

00:39:20.000 How long has it been since you've done Seattle?

00:39:23.000 Oh, I haven't been back in a while.

00:39:26.000 I did the Tacoma Dome with Dave Chappelle.

00:39:30.000 We did that right before the pandemic popped.

00:39:33.000 And I really haven't been back.

00:39:33.000 Oh, okay.

00:39:35.000 It's just like once that whole chazz thing went down and they locked off the block and the mayor said, Maybe it's the summer of love. 1.00

00:39:44.000 Or maybe you've got some fucking crazy people that you've empowered to take over a giant swath of your city and you're cool with it.

00:39:51.000 And you're the fucking mayor.

00:39:52.000 And by the way, she is an upgrade compared to their current mayor.

00:39:56.000 The current mayor is that choice is insane.

00:39:59.000 A woman who's never held a real job. 1.00

00:40:01.000 She's been living with her parents.

00:40:02.000 She's 40. 0.98

00:40:03.000 They pay her bills. 0.96

00:40:05.000 She's a socialist.

00:40:06.000 She rides a bike. 0.78

00:40:07.000 She doesn't even own a car.

00:40:08.000 And now she's in charge of what, a $7 billion budget?

00:40:11.000 Like, what is that makes sense?

00:40:12.000 Yeah.

00:40:14.000 Two thumbs up, Seattle.

00:40:15.000 Congratulations.

00:40:16.000 You've done a great job.

00:40:19.000 I don't know where those places go.

00:40:21.000 Those places that have gone like full into Wokeville.

00:40:24.000 Like a buddy of mine just went to Portland and he was like, bro, it's bananas.

00:40:29.000 It's like a complete mental asylum, like spilled out onto the streets.

00:40:33.000 Not just the campers, not just the open-air drug users everywhere, because for a long time they decriminalized everything in Portland.

00:40:41.000 So everybody ramped it up a notch and moved to Portland because that was a place where you could do drugs and not worry about anything.

00:40:47.000 But he was like, all the regular people are cracked.

00:40:51.000 The place, spending as much time as I have in Seattle, which I used to live there, I loved that city.

00:40:56.000 Late 90s, loved it.

00:40:58.000 It's great.

00:40:58.000 Oh, it's funny.

00:40:59.000 It was one of my favorite places to live.

00:41:00.000 It's such a cool spot.

00:41:01.000 Cool people.

00:41:02.000 And then you saw this flip.

00:41:03.000 And it was right around 2010 is when things really flipped over.

00:41:08.000 And to your point, they had your car was your domicile, so you couldn't get a parking ticket.

00:41:14.000 So you could basically live in front of somebody's house in a parking spot and they couldn't ride a parking ticket.

00:41:19.000 That started in 2010.

00:41:21.000 Give or take a couple years.

00:41:22.000 And so I went back to my house up there for a while.

00:41:28.000 And the week, the day I decided that I was going to sell this place, like we fly up there.

00:41:32.000 I've got my daughter.

00:41:34.000 She's like a year old.

00:41:35.000 My wife and I are walking down the street.

00:41:37.000 And this is a part of the city is called Ballard, which is a beautiful part of the city, tons of like old bars.

00:41:43.000 Awesome place back late 90s, early 2000.

00:41:47.000 But then there was a camper in front of my condo, and then there was a naked man with a tennis racket.

00:41:55.000 My daughter's a year old.

00:41:57.000 His dick's flying around.

00:41:58.000 And my one-year-old's like, I'm holding her, like walking away from the other end.

00:42:03.000 He's got a tennis racket.

00:42:04.000 He's like planting a U.S. open in his head, whatever he's doing.

00:42:07.000 And then on the corner, no less than 50 feet away, there was a half-naked lady like taking a shit. 1.00

00:42:14.000 And you're like, nah, time to leave.

00:42:16.000 I think this is, I think we're all good here.

00:42:19.000 We had an issue like that in California for a while.

00:42:21.000 Oh, yeah.

00:42:22.000 Where when the economy started to go south, this is pre-pandemic as well.

00:42:27.000 We started having these campers camp out right in front of our studio.

00:42:31.000 And they would, the studio where we had in LA, even in that place, it was the warehouse.

00:42:36.000 We had a big lawn in front of the warehouse.

00:42:38.000 And these guys would spread out on the lawn.

00:42:41.000 So they would park their camper there and then they would like cook out and they would lay out.

00:42:45.000 And so like you're in this build, you're asking people to walk past these people to go do your podcast in this big ass warehouse that I had leased.

00:42:54.000 And I was like, why are you doing this?

00:42:56.000 Like, you can't be doing this.

00:42:57.000 You can't just use my lawn as your front yard.

00:43:01.000 Like, this is crazy.

00:43:02.000 I mean, spread out, dude.

00:43:03.000 They had shit laying out there.

00:43:05.000 There's nothing you can do.

00:43:06.000 Well, there was.

00:43:07.000 Oh, really?

00:43:07.000 Yeah, we contacted the police, and the police eventually realized this is not a good thing.

00:43:12.000 And they moved them all.

00:43:13.000 But they moved them to different parts of town.

00:43:15.000 And so then you would drive to like the more industrial areas of town that didn't, like, our place was like semi-industrial.

00:43:21.000 There was a bunch of warehouses, but there was also a bunch of like foot traffic businesses, restaurants, and stuff like that.

00:43:27.000 And so they moved them out of there.

00:43:28.000 But if you go into the deeper industrial places where they have factories and stuff, they were there, like whole blocks of them where you just have campers laying out and just open meth smoking.

00:43:38.000 These people are just full-on meth heads that had just started a community of fellow meth enthusiasts with campers.

00:43:46.000 And a lot of their campers didn't even run.

00:43:47.000 They could just get it to the spot wherever it was, and then they would steal power.

00:43:52.000 You know, every now and then, a dude would die because he didn't know how to do the wires right and he'd get cooked.

00:43:57.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:43:59.000 It's the same where we were at in Salt Lake.

00:44:01.000 I'd have full-time security out in front of the, like literally in front of the building.

00:44:06.000 Our concern was when we left.

00:44:07.000 It was like if we left at night and someone broke in, it would take fucking forever for cops to show up and do something about it.

00:44:15.000 And so I was like, you can't just, you just can't have these guys knowing that like famous people and high-profile people are going to be at that spot.

00:44:24.000 And you've got like open meth smoking right in front of the place.

00:44:28.000 Like this is too crazy.

00:44:29.000 They're too unpredictable.

00:44:31.000 You know, look, I don't care if you live in your truck.

00:44:34.000 It's probably cool.

00:44:35.000 If you're a guy who's like, you've checked out of society essentially and you're just like playing pickleball all day and you live in a camper, who cares?

00:44:44.000 Go ahead and do that.

00:44:45.000 But once you start engaging in meth smoking and then it's always theft.

00:44:50.000 Theft comes with meth smoking.

00:44:52.000 And there's a lot of break-ins in the area.

00:44:54.000 And it got to a point where the cops had to do something.

00:44:57.000 So credit to them that they did.

00:44:58.000 It's almost the difference between hashtag van life and hashtag meth life.

00:45:02.000 Yeah.

00:45:03.000 There's a big difference.

00:45:04.000 Right.

00:45:04.000 Van life is like you want to be a guy who's not saddled down to one particular spot.

00:45:12.000 You have a place that's in this van that has a bed.

00:45:15.000 You have a little tiny kitchen area.

00:45:17.000 You have a little portable fridge.

00:45:18.000 It's all you need.

00:45:19.000 I don't need a fucking house.

00:45:21.000 Just travel around.

00:45:22.000 It's probably fun.

00:45:23.000 Yeah.

00:45:23.000 The freedom of it, you know?

00:45:25.000 Like Alex Honnell, that crazy dude that just climbed that tower in Chinese Taipei, he used to live like that for a long time.

00:45:33.000 He had a big van.

00:45:34.000 He would park it in his friend's driveway sometimes and he would just travel to Trailheads and live out of his van.

00:45:40.000 That's like the minimalist attraction, right?

00:45:43.000 Where you're like, I don't have anything other than what's in my van or on my back, where life is simple.

00:45:49.000 I don't have to organize anything.

00:45:50.000 I can stay focused.

00:45:52.000 I think that's an interesting thought exercise, especially when you're younger.

00:45:56.000 You're like, okay, cool.

00:45:57.000 I can wrap my head around that.

00:45:59.000 And it's completely respectable.

00:46:01.000 A lot of these hippies, I shouldn't say that in the context of like hippie dance around with flowers in my hair.

00:46:06.000 A lot of these climber crunchy guys, they are hard, committed, like bad mofos. 1.00

00:46:15.000 When they're living on dog food, like there's this great story about the founder of Patagonia where he went to the store.

00:46:22.000 He was climbing LCAP.

00:46:23.000 And I'm trying to recall a story from Outside Magazine from 20 years ago, but in general circumstance, it's what it is.

00:46:30.000 Where he went to the store, he's going to be climbing LCAP for months and he's just working on a specific route.

00:46:38.000 And he went to the store to buy food.

00:46:40.000 He only had $100 or whatever it was.

00:46:42.000 And dog food was less expensive.

00:46:44.000 And he was like, meh, I can live on that.

00:46:48.000 And he bought dog food and lived on dog food.

00:46:49.000 And just live on killing.

00:46:50.000 And yeah, so he could climb and stay out there longer.

00:46:54.000 His farts were like, bro.

00:46:56.000 Like, you wouldn't want to be behind that on this route, right?

00:46:59.000 You would not want to be climbing behind that guy.

00:47:01.000 I'd say that.

00:47:02.000 Because I stopped giving my dog regular dog food a long time ago.

00:47:06.000 But when he was younger, all my dogs, I would just buy the most expensive dry dog food.

00:47:12.000 I was like, oh, this stuff is good.

00:47:13.000 And then somewhere along the line, it clicked.

00:47:16.000 I was like, wait, how can it sit there?

00:47:19.000 How can it just sit in that bag for a month?

00:47:22.000 That's crazy.

00:47:22.000 How could it sit on the shelf for years?

00:47:24.000 That can't be good for you.

00:47:24.000 That's nuts.

00:47:26.000 And then I started feeding them frozen food.

00:47:28.000 And then they like that.

00:47:30.000 But then I switched to farmer's dog, which is human-grade food, which is lightly cooked.

00:47:35.000 They fucking love it.

00:47:36.000 That stuff I would eat.

00:47:37.000 Like you smell it, it smells like food.

00:47:40.000 It doesn't smell disgusting.

00:47:42.000 But regular dog food is fucking terrible for a dog.

00:47:45.000 It's not good for them.

00:47:47.000 So if you have to eat that stuff, that kibble stuff, and you're going to travel around, your gut must be going like, what are you doing?

00:47:56.000 What kind of chemicals are in here?

00:47:58.000 What kind of preservatives are they just nuking your gut bio?

00:48:01.000 The level, but I love the level of commitment.

00:48:05.000 I love like when people drift over into like crazy to where their level of commitment and their passion like translates directly into nothing else exists in their life where they're willing to live on dog food to do the thing that they they love.

00:48:21.000 Fun.

00:48:21.000 That to me is like.

00:48:24.000 You're an extremist, and I respect it.

00:48:26.000 You know what?

00:48:27.000 No, I can respect that.

00:48:29.000 Do you ever see the movie Dirtbag?

00:48:30.000 No.

00:48:31.000 Pull up that movie Dirtbag.

00:48:33.000 It's a great movie.

00:48:34.000 It's about a guy who essentially did that till he was dead.

00:48:38.000 This guy just camped out on the ground in front of his friends' houses.

00:48:42.000 Most of the time didn't have a car, just would just climb.

00:48:46.000 That's all he did.

00:48:47.000 He was always mooching off people.

00:48:48.000 And he had very detailed.

00:48:50.000 What was the dude's name?

00:48:52.000 Fred Becky.

00:48:53.000 The dude's a legend.

00:48:55.000 So he had been doing this from, you know, the 19 fucking 50s.

00:48:58.000 Like, he was an old ass man. 1.00

00:49:01.000 Look at the gnarled hands.

00:49:03.000 Look at his fucking hands.

00:49:05.000 From just climbing.

00:49:05.000 Solid.

00:49:06.000 Imagine if that guy got a hold of your dick. 0.58

00:49:08.000 He's rip it right off.

00:49:11.000 Do you know who Mark Twite is?

00:49:13.000 Okay.

00:49:13.000 So Mark Twite.

00:49:13.000 No.

00:49:15.000 Look at this.

00:49:16.000 He was, I mean, one of the foremost names in Alpineering.

00:49:20.000 He's written several books on it.

00:49:21.000 He wrote a book called Kiss or Kill Confessions of a Serial Climber back in the day.

00:49:25.000 Very, very similar, like in the context of, I would imagine, the psychological makeup.

00:49:32.000 And he started a gym called Jim Jones back in the day.

00:49:36.000 And like it was where a bunch of people, you had, it was invite only.

00:49:41.000 So you could only get invited.

00:49:44.000 And it was like a lot of special operations guys, CIA guys, and professional climbers.

00:49:49.000 Like everybody that was trying to push the envelope physically would go out and train with Mark.

00:49:55.000 And I've been friends with him for years, but anything Mark does, he moves from like, I'm going to be the best climber, like Alpineering.

00:50:06.000 I'm going to be the subject matter expert.

00:50:08.000 He was a professional, he shot Ipsyc for a while. 1.00

00:50:11.000 So he's a professional, you know, pistol shooter for a while.

00:50:14.000 He's a professional climber.

00:50:16.000 And now he's a photographer writer.

00:50:18.000 But everything he does, he does it to a level of perfection that it probably drives everybody else in his life bananas.

00:50:25.000 Like he's fascinating.

00:50:26.000 He's a fascinating human.

00:50:28.000 Those people that go really to the outer level of whatever's possible with whatever the fuck they're doing are always fascinating.

00:50:35.000 Because it makes you go, I don't know if I want to do that.

00:50:39.000 Like, what is the sacrifice to get really good at rock climbing?

00:50:42.000 You never have kids.

00:50:43.000 You never have a life.

00:50:44.000 You never have a job.

00:50:45.000 Like, this dirtbag guy, like, everyone around him both admired him and felt sad for him.

00:50:51.000 Right.

00:50:51.000 Because, like, he died a dirtbag.

00:50:54.000 He never had a family.

00:50:56.000 And it's like all his ex-girlfriends talking about how an interesting guy he was.

00:50:59.000 He was really fun.

00:51:00.000 But eventually, I had to fucking move on.

00:51:03.000 Like, this dude, all he wanted to do was like sleep on the ground and get up and start climbing rocks his whole life.

00:51:10.000 But there's, if you think about everybody around us in their profession or their thing, right?

00:51:17.000 You're at the apex of your professional, your profession.

00:51:22.000 And your level of commitment, I'm not like boosting you up.

00:51:25.000 I'm just saying like your level of commitment is unparalleled to a huge percentage of other people.

00:51:30.000 So you have a portion of whatever that is.

00:51:34.000 And there are all these other people that have that thing where their pursuit of passion around that specific profession or product or whatever it might be.

00:51:41.000 They're so committed to it that it takes over.

00:51:44.000 It's all consuming.

00:51:46.000 Like, I've seen it because when even when you go play pool, I'm like when we were in Vegas a couple of months ago, they're like, oh, we're going to play Pullman Come Out.

00:51:55.000 He's going to be there till like six o'clock in the morning.

00:51:57.000 I'm not going to do that.

00:51:58.000 And Green Tree was like, he was.

00:52:00.000 He was there until like six o'clock in the morning.

00:52:01.000 He played for eight hours straight.

00:52:03.000 I was like, yeah, I could see the writing on the wall.

00:52:06.000 I'm out of here.

00:52:07.000 The pool is my number one problem.

00:52:08.000 That's my biggest one.

00:52:10.000 Really?

00:52:10.000 Yeah, that's the one where if I ever wanted to not do anything else, I would just become a professional pool player.

00:52:17.000 If I just said, okay, I am done.

00:52:19.000 I'm done podcasting.

00:52:20.000 I'm done with the UFC.

00:52:21.000 I'm done with everything.

00:52:22.000 I'm just going to travel around and do tournaments.

00:52:24.000 Huh?

00:52:26.000 I could go crazy.

00:52:27.000 I could go crazy and just do that 100%.

00:52:30.000 Is it just the game fascinates you?

00:52:34.000 The angles, the ability to just continue to evolve within that all the time?

00:52:40.000 You can't ever be the best.

00:52:42.000 You definitely never achieve full perfection, but to be really good requires this level of laser focus and concentration and an understanding of what's going on.

00:52:54.000 I mean, you're taking a stick and you're hitting a ball into another ball with pinpoint accuracy into a pocket that is on my table, it's four and a quarter inches.

00:53:05.000 So you've got the cube, the ball, the object ball, which is about that big, and then you've got that much space on each side, just a tiny little space on each side.

00:53:12.000 And you got to slip it through there.

00:53:13.000 Oftentimes, like eight feet away, seven feet away, six feet away with English. 1.00

00:53:19.000 So you're putting spin on the cue ball, which imparts a throw on the object ball.

00:53:24.000 So if I put right-hand spin on the cue ball and I hit the object ball, I have to calculate for the fact that it's going to throw the object ball slightly to the left because of the right-hand spin, because it clings to the ball a little bit.

00:53:37.000 So all this is playing in my head.

00:53:38.000 And then I have to have it at a speed where once the cue ball then collides with the object ball, pockets it, then it's got to go one, two, three rails for perfect position on the next ball.

00:53:48.000 And I have to have an angle.

00:53:50.000 I have to make sure that I have an angle for the following ball.

00:53:53.000 And you don't want to be trapped on the rails.

00:53:55.000 You want to be off the rails.

00:53:56.000 Like all these different things.

00:53:57.000 You can't think about anything else.

00:54:00.000 Your mind has to be clean.

00:54:02.000 It cleans your mind.

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00:55:08.000 So if you've gotten, I'm sure you have, like professional coaching players, yeah, coaching guys who've come out like the best in the world have come out and played with you.

00:55:16.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:55:17.000 How do you hold up?

00:55:18.000 Like, what's your well, I can never beat them.

00:55:20.000 Right.

00:55:21.000 But I beat them some games.

00:55:22.000 I can break and run out.

00:55:23.000 So I break and run out one, two games in a row sometimes.

00:55:26.000 But they'll make so like if you have like a score of accuracy, it's called like a Fargo rating.

00:55:36.000 It's based on 1,000 points is you never miss.

00:55:40.000 I'm in like the 700, on a good day, 750 range.

00:55:45.000 But a real world-class pro is in the 800-plus range.

00:55:50.000 Like Fedora Gorse is probably like 850.

00:55:53.000 Joshua Filler is probably like a little higher than that.

00:55:56.000 They get into this rate where they so rarely miss.

00:55:59.000 And again, they're playing on four inch pockets, which is like a quarter inch smaller than the pockets I'm playing on.

00:56:04.000 Although they are playing on new cloth, which helps a lot.

00:56:08.000 Makes things more slippery.

00:56:09.000 They fall in more.

00:56:11.000 More worn out cloth.

00:56:12.000 Like when it's broken in for a couple of weeks, it gets tougher.

00:56:15.000 Really?

00:56:16.000 Yeah.

00:56:16.000 The cloth gets a little less slick, and you got to hit a ball a little bit more pure.

00:56:16.000 Yeah.

00:56:21.000 But on the plus side, English takes better.

00:56:24.000 So when you play with these guys, is it one of those things where they instantly humble you in the context of you start feeling, I'm really confident in my game, and then you step in?

00:56:36.000 No, not really.

00:56:37.000 No.

00:56:37.000 There's not that big of a delta between.

00:56:39.000 There's a gap.

00:56:40.000 There's definitely a gap.

00:56:42.000 I mean, they're just way better than me.

00:56:43.000 But it's a lot of it is just time.

00:56:46.000 They spend eight hours a day playing every day.

00:56:48.000 If I spent eight hours a day playing every day, I think I could play at a professional level.

00:56:54.000 I wouldn't be able to beat the best guys.

00:56:56.000 I would never be able to beat the Koping Chungs and the guys that are at the very top top because those guys have been playing eight hours a day for decades. 1.00

00:57:05.000 They never stop.

00:57:07.000 What's a guy like that make annually in tournaments?

00:57:10.000 Now more than ever.

00:57:11.000 Really?

00:57:11.000 Yeah, because of Matchroom Pool.

00:57:13.000 So Matchroom, the same company that Eddie Hearn owns that does a lot of boxing promotions.

00:57:18.000 They're involved in a lot of sports.

00:57:20.000 They've done an amazing job with pool, specifically with nine-ball.

00:57:24.000 And they put on these huge tournaments.

00:57:26.000 Saudi Arabia has a big one every year.

00:57:28.000 They have this big world championship where they pay a ton of money.

00:57:32.000 And so, you know, a good player, like a top of the heat player, is making half a million dollars plus a year.

00:57:38.000 And then also endorsements.

00:57:40.000 So they have endorsements, like companies like Predator Qs pay them.

00:57:44.000 Q-Tech and all these different companies pay them X amount of dollars per year.

00:57:48.000 They have a sponsor for the chalk they use.

00:57:51.000 They have a sponsor for the tips they play with.

00:57:54.000 All those different things.

00:57:55.000 All that adds up.

00:57:56.000 So what's the difference then between, what is it, Snooker?

00:57:58.000 Is that the English?

00:57:59.000 It's a totally different game.

00:58:00.000 It's a totally different game.

00:58:01.000 It's a big table.

00:58:02.000 It's a 12 by 6 as opposed to a 4.5 by 9.

00:58:06.000 So it's a much bigger table.

00:58:08.000 But the balls are smaller as well.

00:58:10.000 And then their cues have these tiny little tips on them.

00:58:13.000 They all play with ash cues, which is like a very stiff wood.

00:58:18.000 And they play with like a solid wood cue.

00:58:20.000 Whereas a lot of like pro pool players are switched to carbon fiber now.

00:58:24.000 They play with carbon fiber cues because it's a little bit more dense, so it moves the ball differently.

00:58:30.000 Is it fun?

00:58:31.000 Have you played it?

00:58:32.000 Snooker?

00:58:32.000 Yeah, I played it when I was in Scotland a little bit, but I only played by myself.

00:58:36.000 There was just a table, and I was just whacking balls around.

00:58:39.000 It's very difficult to pocket balls.

00:58:40.000 But I don't even really understand the rules.

00:58:43.000 I would have to really pay attention.

00:58:44.000 I watch it a little bit sometimes because I know how hard it is to do what they're doing because you do have this enormous table.

00:58:51.000 Their cloth is a lot slower, too.

00:58:53.000 It's not as slick of a cloth.

00:58:55.000 So is it, it's got to be older then, right?

00:58:58.000 It's old.

00:58:58.000 Oh, it's way.

00:58:59.000 Snooker's old.

00:59:01.000 So the original billiards game had no pockets.

00:59:04.000 The original billiards game was three cushion billiards or bulk line or there's a bunch of different billiards games where you play on a table.

00:59:11.000 Like say if it was like this table, there's no pockets in it and there's just rubber rails all around it.

00:59:16.000 And it's all about knocking one ball into the other ball, going three rails, and then colliding with the third ball.

00:59:24.000 Huh.

00:59:25.000 Yeah, it's just about scoring points.

00:59:27.000 I've watched a bunch of that online too, because it helps you understand angles like as you go into a rail, because the angles change depending upon how much English you put on it, how hard you hit it, whether you hit it with follow or draw.

00:59:40.000 There's a bunch of different parts of the cue ball that you can contact with that radically changes the way the ball moves around on the table.

00:59:47.000 So it's like you're calculating so many different things.

00:59:51.000 There's geometry involved, there's touch and feel.

00:59:55.000 There's all these factors that come into play when you're playing really well.

00:59:58.000 So that explains why archery is also somewhat of a fascination then, because you have very similar aspects to archery and pool that directly translate.

01:00:09.000 That's like why those things snap together real well for you.

01:00:13.000 Oh, for me, they're hand in hand.

01:00:15.000 They're basically the same thing.

01:00:17.000 It's basically the same thing.

01:00:18.000 You're just doing it in a different way.

01:00:20.000 You know, it's the same thing.

01:00:22.000 It's like having everything just flowing together perfectly after like years and years and years of meticulous practice.

01:00:33.000 And then it starts to come together.

01:00:39.000 And then you pull that group out.

01:00:40.000 It's nice and tight at like 65 yards.

01:00:42.000 Like, yeah, you got it dialed in.

01:00:44.000 It's that feeling.

01:00:46.000 It was the world goes away.

01:00:46.000 And it's the same thing.

01:00:49.000 There is no room for anything when you're about to pull that trigger.

01:00:52.000 Whether it's in pool when you're about to make the shot or whether it's an archery, there's no room for anything.

01:00:57.000 That's what I like about it.

01:00:58.000 I also like that there's no bullshit.

01:01:00.000 There's no shenanigans.

01:01:02.000 There's no personality.

01:01:04.000 Nothing matters.

01:01:05.000 Nothing matters.

01:01:06.000 Did the ball go in the hole?

01:01:08.000 If it didn't, you lose.

01:01:09.000 If it did, you win.

01:01:10.000 It's really clean.

01:01:12.000 I like that.

01:01:13.000 Yeah, like that's the thing I love about shooting just in general.

01:01:18.000 If I'm hitting a target, it doesn't matter.

01:01:20.000 I took my kids to the arcade the other day and ski ball.

01:01:24.000 I love ski ball.

01:01:24.000 Oh, yeah.

01:01:26.000 I can like spend an hour on that thing just like trying to get the blow.

01:01:30.000 It's a perfect lob in there.

01:01:32.000 And it's like I used to tell people, I'm like, I'm just a projectile enthusiast where I love hitting center mass of whatever target.

01:01:41.000 I'm still a six-year-old kid with my BB gun, right?

01:01:44.000 It's like at the end of the day, now my tools are much more advanced.

01:01:49.000 And I've got the millions of dollars of government-funded training behind me.

01:01:53.000 So I'm a little bit more effective at hitting what I want to shoot at.

01:01:56.000 But it still has the same exact feeling.

01:01:59.000 Like if you're six years old, hitting a pop can with your BB gun or ringing a piece of steel at a mile with a rifle or hitting a, you know, the heart of a foam elk in your backyard.

01:02:11.000 It's the same, dude.

01:02:12.000 It translates and it like pulls you into something that's like pure, I guess.

01:02:17.000 It is pure and it's also a really good mind exercise.

01:02:20.000 Just like, you know, when you work out, you're cleaning your mind.

01:02:26.000 There's a lot of what working out is, it's not just physical, it's mental clarity.

01:02:31.000 You relax the mind.

01:02:33.000 You calm the mind through hard exercise.

01:02:36.000 And there's something where you're calming your mind through shooting.

01:02:40.000 Because it requires so much of you, everything else just gets the fuck out of the way.

01:02:45.000 Bills, this, that, you know, oh, I got to call that guy.

01:02:48.000 I don't want to call him.

01:02:49.000 Fuck, I got to deal with this thing.

01:02:50.000 Oh, that's falling apart.

01:02:51.000 This deal sucks.

01:02:53.000 It all goes away.

01:02:54.000 It has to go away.

01:02:55.000 If it doesn't go away, you miss.

01:02:56.000 And then you go, fuck, why did I miss?

01:02:58.000 You miss because you're distracted.

01:02:59.000 Like, let's focus.

01:03:00.000 Put the fucking arrow on the knock.

01:03:02.000 You know, put it in there, draw it back, center it, calm, relax.

01:03:08.000 At that moment, like at that moment, there is nothing else in your fucking head. 0.63

01:03:12.000 There's nothing.

01:03:13.000 And then And it goes in there, you get this, this nice burst of happiness when you watch that fucking arrow just drop right in exactly where you want it to.

01:03:24.000 Like, ah.

01:03:26.000 And then you go and pull the arrows and you go right back and start it again.

01:03:29.000 And at the end of that practice, I feel way better.

01:03:32.000 I just always feel better.

01:03:33.000 I always feel clearer.

01:03:35.000 My head works better.

01:03:37.000 It's just like, it's a focus exercise which excites all your synapses.

01:03:43.000 And then on top of that, it's a mental clearing thing.

01:03:45.000 Like Fred Baer used to talk about that.

01:03:47.000 Like something about, I forget the quote, but it's something about there's nothing like shooting a bow that clears a man's mind.

01:03:52.000 It's totally true.

01:03:54.000 There's something about archery in particular that just cleans your mind.

01:03:58.000 Yeah, I 100% agree.

01:04:00.000 I used to have this tradbow.

01:04:03.000 That's how I started.

01:04:04.000 Have I told you the story?

01:04:05.000 Like, so I'd stuff the old coffee bags, the burlap coffee bags, stuff them up and fill them up.

01:04:11.000 And then I started shooting a tradbow originally.

01:04:14.000 Well, the roasting cycle takes about eight and a half minutes.

01:04:18.000 So I couldn't really do anything.

01:04:19.000 I'm like watching their, you know, coffee roast, which is just tumbling in a big dryer.

01:04:23.000 And so I just shoot a tradbow in the back to try to focus something other than the business, you know, family, whatever it is.

01:04:33.000 I could just shoot my tradbow.

01:04:34.000 And then Dudley was like, why do you shoot that thing?

01:04:38.000 That's so stupid.

01:04:39.000 It's like, don't you like to hit what you shoot at?

01:04:41.000 And I'm like, I'm just doing it for fun, man.

01:04:42.000 Like, you know, I'm a happy-go-lucky guy.

01:04:45.000 I just want to like active form of meditation.

01:04:47.000 But what I did realize was it was such a pure to your point.

01:04:54.000 It would flush out all this negative shit that I was like either working through or dealing with.

01:05:02.000 That's like, so being able to translate that to other people, especially veterans.

01:05:06.000 Huge, huge transformation for guys.

01:05:09.000 Because they can go out.

01:05:10.000 It's quiet.

01:05:11.000 It's a subculture they can be part of.

01:05:13.000 They can geek out on all the new gear and arrowheads.

01:05:18.000 You can wade into the infinite, never-ending debate around bullshit, around cutting surface area and fucking, you know, mass and velocity.

01:05:26.000 And like, you'll never get tired because it's like full of its own little drama.

01:05:29.000 And it's like a bunch of nerd shit that you can actually have a lot of fun with.

01:05:33.000 So much nerd shit.

01:05:34.000 That's what people don't understand.

01:05:35.000 You know, and they don't expect nerd shit, like real complicated, technical nerd shit from archery.

01:05:42.000 You don't think of it that way.

01:05:43.000 But it's like many things.

01:05:44.000 Like once you get into it, you realize like, oh, this thing, this is a learning curve to this motherfucker.

01:05:49.000 There's a lot involved.

01:05:50.000 Like whenever one of my friends is like, I want to go bow hunting, I'm like, do you really?

01:05:57.000 Are you sure?

01:05:58.000 Like, don't tell me you, like, it's not that you got to dive in off of a cliff.

01:06:05.000 This is not like, I'm going to go dip my waters into bow hunting.

01:06:08.000 I want to go shoot an elk.

01:06:10.000 Like, Jesus Christ, do you know how hard that is to do?

01:06:12.000 You got fucking, there's so many moving parts.

01:06:15.000 There's so many things.

01:06:16.000 You have to be proficient under extreme stress.

01:06:20.000 There's so much going on there, man.

01:06:21.000 Don't tell me you want to do that unless you, you got to, you got to show me before I get involved.

01:06:26.000 Take me bow hunting.

01:06:27.000 That's not happening.

01:06:30.000 You are not going to be stomping on twigs near me.

01:06:33.000 And you're not going to be going, you're not going to be not checking the wind.

01:06:36.000 All these things are not going to happen.

01:06:38.000 Well, they like the idea, right?

01:06:40.000 Like they like, and there's plenty of people.

01:06:42.000 They're like, they're window shoppers in this activity, right?

01:06:46.000 They're like, they're walking by and they're like, that looks cool.

01:06:48.000 Right.

01:06:49.000 But they don't like the realities of what it actually takes because it's so fucking hard.

01:06:55.000 And it like ruins you a lot of times.

01:06:56.000 Like, I mean, in the last few years, we've hunted up together.

01:07:01.000 Like, dude, I've been psychologically ruined by like shooting something or making a bad shot or like just devastating.

01:07:09.000 Missing.

01:07:10.000 It's like you can't figure out why you missed.

01:07:10.000 Yeah.

01:07:12.000 No.

01:07:12.000 And then you're running through it a thousand times.

01:07:15.000 Like, what did I do?

01:07:17.000 Okay, how do I do better?

01:07:18.000 And then you're like, okay.

01:07:20.000 But you're the kind of guy that does that, that does the process in your head and then improves and keeps getting better.

01:07:26.000 For some people, that will ruin their life.

01:07:29.000 Like the one bad thing that happens will ruin their fucking life because they spent all these months preparing.

01:07:35.000 They paid for a tag.

01:07:37.000 They hired an outfitter and then voink, dunk the shot, fucking ruined their whole week.

01:07:43.000 And then they go back home.

01:07:44.000 How'd your hunt go?

01:07:45.000 I missed.

01:07:46.000 You know, like, or I wounded it.

01:07:48.000 Well, and it's a lesson in life.

01:07:52.000 You can work harder than you've ever worked and still fail and still fail.

01:07:57.000 You can work for a decade of your life.

01:07:57.000 Yeah.

01:07:59.000 You can shoot and shoot and train and train.

01:08:02.000 And you can put in all the work and still fuck it up.

01:08:05.000 And there's guys who in the same situation as you would succeed.

01:08:10.000 Yeah.

01:08:10.000 So you got to figure out what are they doing different?

01:08:13.000 Why are they better?

01:08:16.000 And keep getting better.

01:08:17.000 Like there's hunts that I've been successful on recently within the last few years that I know that if I had that same hunt eight, nine years ago, I probably would have not been able to make that shot.

01:08:28.000 Right.

01:08:29.000 I wasn't as good then.

01:08:30.000 So I've gotten better.

01:08:31.000 It's like, I think everybody needs something that you can't master, that is hard to do, that cleans your mind.

01:08:40.000 I think people need stuff to clean their mind.

01:08:43.000 And I think that's why so many people are running around all fucked up because you're looking at social media all day.

01:08:50.000 So that gives you anxiety.

01:08:52.000 Your life is not satisfying.

01:08:53.000 So that gives you anxiety.

01:08:55.000 You don't take care of your body.

01:08:57.000 So that gives you anxiety.

01:08:58.000 You have all these things competing.

01:09:00.000 And you're stuck in traffic.

01:09:01.000 That gives you anxiety.

01:09:02.000 Everybody's just mentally all fucked up.

01:09:04.000 And so you go to a doctor and the doctor says, well, you know, obviously you're dealing with depression and I can prescribe to you this or that or the other.

01:09:12.000 And then you're on Lexapro or whatever the fuck you're on.

01:09:14.000 And that's the road they go down.

01:09:16.000 And this is a bad road.

01:09:19.000 It's not a road where you're going to improve your life.

01:09:22.000 And there's other ways to do it.

01:09:23.000 And I think there'd be a lot more happy people in this world if you found a thing.

01:09:28.000 It doesn't have to be archery.

01:09:29.000 It doesn't have to be pool.

01:09:30.000 It doesn't have to be jiu-jitsu.

01:09:32.000 It doesn't have to be pistol shooting.

01:09:34.000 It just has to be something that's hard to do.

01:09:37.000 That you are on this quest to make these incremental improvements.

01:09:43.000 And through that focus of incremental improvements, you improve your human potential.

01:09:49.000 You improve your ability as a person to do difficult and to handle situations.

01:09:55.000 So I always tell people: if you do jiu-jitsu, you'll be much happier because the stresses of life are nothing compared to a dude who's trying to literally break your arm.

01:10:06.000 He's on top of you and you're defending and then you get out of it and then you get him or he gets you and then you have to tap and you go over again.

01:10:14.000 That is so hard to do that like regular life becomes like a breeze.

01:10:19.000 It becomes a breeze.

01:10:20.000 It makes everything jiu-jitsu people are some of the most relaxed people I've ever been around in my life.

01:10:25.000 They're all friendly to everybody.

01:10:27.000 They're never talking shit or causing drama or problems.

01:10:30.000 They get it all out.

01:10:32.000 Yeah, they I think there's something about getting the shit kicked out of yourself too, right?

01:10:37.000 So like there's something about facing someone, which I don't do jiu-jitsu just as a caveat to that, but being able to like face another person in a scenario and then compete against them.

01:10:50.000 Yeah.

01:10:50.000 So where everything counts and then literally just getting the shit beat out of yourself and going, okay, well, I'm going to step back up.

01:10:59.000 I'm going to do it again.

01:11:00.000 Yeah.

01:11:00.000 And get better.

01:11:00.000 Right.

01:11:02.000 That level of teaching yourself mental endurance, like that is the thing that I constantly think about my kids.

01:11:09.000 Like, I'm like, how do I be compassionate, caring, loving, you know, the dad that wants to give him everything?

01:11:16.000 And then how do you like translate that into also creating obstacles that will drive mental courage, right?

01:11:24.000 Just I think you do it by example.

01:11:26.000 I think that's the best way.

01:11:27.000 Yeah.

01:11:30.000 My opinion is, like, if you look at Cam Haynes' sons, I mean, he was rough raising his kids.

01:11:35.000 He talks about that.

01:11:36.000 But those kids are exceptional.

01:11:38.000 They're fucking exceptional.

01:11:40.000 You know, one son's a ranger.

01:11:41.000 The other son broke the world chin-up record.

01:11:44.000 And, you know, he runs marathons with jeans on.

01:11:47.000 And he's fucking got two savage kids.

01:11:50.000 And why?

01:11:51.000 Well, look at the environment they grew up in.

01:11:54.000 They grew up with a dad who's supremely disciplined.

01:11:57.000 And just by being in his presence, you realize like, oh, I can achieve a lot more than other people can if I'm just willing to put in that work.

01:12:08.000 And for a lot of people, that's that feeling, that feeling of like this, the anxiety of the struggle and of grinding it out.

01:12:17.000 And like that scares them and they don't want to do it.

01:12:19.000 And so they come up in excuses or they retreat into other things and they distract themselves.

01:12:26.000 And if you're a parent that does that, you create a weird environment for your child because your child is sort of imitating you as a leader and you're a fuck up and you're always making excuses and you get fired a lot or you sleep in a lot or you do things that like are not admirable.

01:12:44.000 And then that child, you know, fuck life, man.

01:12:47.000 You know, whereas, you know, his kids are probably like, Jesus Christ, dad's a fucking animal.

01:12:53.000 Like, I want to be an animal too.

01:12:54.000 And then you see how people respect his father and they go, oh, okay, I want people to respect me like that too.

01:13:00.000 You know, you hear a lot of people talk about him when he's not around.

01:13:03.000 Like, well, I want people to respect me.

01:13:05.000 Well, there's only one way to do that.

01:13:07.000 You have to be worthy of respect.

01:13:08.000 It's only one way to get there.

01:13:10.000 It's a fucking long road.

01:13:12.000 Good luck.

01:13:13.000 Start going.

01:13:14.000 And you're not going to get any satisfaction for a long ass fucking time other than the fact that you're on the path, that you're on, you're involved in the process and you're on the journey.

01:13:24.000 Yeah, the grind, right?

01:13:25.000 And it's like, it's overused, but the level of endurance in courage, when it's like that trait alone, just trying to understand courage, like who has it, who doesn't have it, and then the level of commitment to a mission or something bigger than yourself.

01:13:48.000 It's the thing that I think about, I'd say, a huge percentage of the last several years, especially as I get a little bit older, right, a little bit further away from the GWAT.

01:14:00.000 And I was with, I'm doing a documentary on Earl Plumley.

01:14:06.000 No.

01:14:06.000 You know who that is?

01:14:07.000 So he's a Medal of Honor recipient, former Green Beret.

01:14:10.000 We were at the UFC fight with Elliot Miller and Earl Plumley.

01:14:16.000 Earl Plumley is an incredibly humble guy, like just an amazing human.

01:14:24.000 Like you can sit here and talk to him.

01:14:26.000 You'd never in a million years know that this guy had earned the Medal of Honor.

01:14:31.000 Never.

01:14:32.000 Because one, he's never going to tell you.

01:14:35.000 Two, he's going to ask you a hundred questions about you and be way more fascinated with that.

01:14:40.000 And three, we were having this conversation.

01:14:43.000 He's like, man, it belongs to the guys.

01:14:45.000 Like, I didn't do anything.

01:14:47.000 Like, it belongs to the guys.

01:14:48.000 Like, the guys, any of the guys, if they wouldn't have been shot, would have done the same exact thing that I did.

01:14:52.000 And I was like, man, that is an incredible statement from a guy that's sitting here.

01:14:59.000 And so this documentary follows his path from joining the Marine Corps, which was literally where the judge, you know, those old stories of the guy that was like forced by the judge to join the military or jail.

01:15:12.000 He literally has that.

01:15:14.000 And it starts, he goes into, you know, the Marines, and then he's a force recon Marine, and he had gone through all the selections, and then he got out of the Marine Corps, joined the Army, and we follow his story through the eyes of his peers and his leaders because we wanted to see from his perspective, what do other people say about him through his entire journey?

01:15:38.000 Not the story from his perspective.

01:15:39.000 One, he'll never tell it the way that it probably needs to be told.

01:15:43.000 Two, what were the choices that he made throughout his professional life that made the man that was capable of such an incredible act of courage that it warranted the highest medal, you know, oh, literally earned in the United States military.

01:16:00.000 And that single word, courage, how do you build courageous people is a fascinating, it's quite literally, it's such a fascinating subject.

01:16:14.000 And most of it is the man in the arena, right?

01:16:19.000 It's a poem from Teddy Roosevelt.

01:16:21.000 It's like it's not the critic who counts.

01:16:24.000 It's like keeping up, stepping back in, this commitment to something greater than yourself, and then making these thousands of choices in your life every day as you wake up, step forward, step back into the fray, and like make the active decision to be better.

01:16:40.000 And it's like, it's such a fucking fundamental thing of being able to, any, any part of your life.

01:16:48.000 If you don't get up in the morning and like commit yourself to something, I'm not a motivational speaker, but it's how are you ever going to get better if you're not committing to something like being a better dad or a better husband or better, you know, better at your profession.

01:17:04.000 And then committing to this evolutionary process takes not only a huge amount of commitment, but mental and physical endurance.

01:17:11.000 It does.

01:17:12.000 And I'm never going to get tired of trying to figure this out because obviously it's like my peer set, I was having this conversation with Jack Carr and I ran into the airport.

01:17:28.000 We ran into each other at the airport on the way down here and we were talking about love that guy.

01:17:32.000 Fucking such a good dude.

01:17:34.000 And it's not just in the military, right?

01:17:38.000 It's not.

01:17:39.000 It's just.

01:17:40.000 Yeah, in all of life.

01:17:41.000 All of life.

01:17:42.000 Yeah, you find exceptional people in all of life, and you can, they're fuel.

01:17:46.000 Those people are fuel.

01:17:48.000 And they enhance the lives of the people around them.

01:17:52.000 And then if you become one of those guys, you enhance the lives of the people around you.

01:17:57.000 And then you feed off of them, and they feed off of you.

01:17:59.000 And everybody feeds off of each other.

01:18:01.000 And it's so good for you to know that people like that are out there, that there's a guy like that capable of incredible courage.

01:18:09.000 And that how did he get there?

01:18:10.000 What did he do?

01:18:12.000 How did he become the man he is right now?

01:18:14.000 Because, God damn, that's an admirable man.

01:18:16.000 So how do you, how do I get there?

01:18:18.000 Yeah.

01:18:19.000 It's, and there's all these stories.

01:18:21.000 I like Jack and I were talking about, because, you know, the Navy SEALs, obviously, they've got a lot of positive PR over the last several years, but this, the special operations community has got so much just, I don't know, airtime, right?

01:18:40.000 But there are all these other people in the military throughout generations of warfighters that have gone out and done these incredibly hard jobs.

01:18:47.000 And I found this story of the Parchi, which is the USS Parchy, which is the most decorated submarine and ship in Navy history.

01:18:55.000 They have nine presidential citations.

01:18:57.000 It's the most decorated group of men in the U.S. Navy, like in modern history.

01:19:03.000 And everything they've done is still classified.

01:19:06.000 Whoa.

01:19:07.000 It's a Cold War-era nuclear submarine that was modified and ultimately tasked out by the CIA to go out and do collection.

01:19:15.000 And they were the guys that hundreds of feet down, they would land on the bottom of the ocean.

01:19:23.000 And the Soviets had these military communication lines that were basically hard lines that would go under a bay so they could communicate back and forth.

01:19:32.000 And they felt like they were secure.

01:19:34.000 And one of their jobs, which is I've never been able to see anything declassified, but the stories that are out there, these guys would land on the bottom of the ocean, send out divers at hundreds of feet.

01:19:48.000 And these guys would hook listening devices on those lines hundreds of feet down, like in cold, dark water.

01:19:58.000 Can you imagine, dude?

01:19:59.000 Like you're out in 400 feet or 300 feet of water, pitch black, you can't see anything.

01:20:05.000 And your job is to go and put a listening device on a Soviet communication line in 1986 or whatever it was.

01:20:13.000 And you're in enemy territory.

01:20:16.000 So if you get discovered, you're dead.

01:20:19.000 And none of these guys, that's the incredible thing.

01:20:23.000 None of these guys have ever said anything about it.

01:20:26.000 Wow.

01:20:27.000 Decades and not only decades of missions, months away from home.

01:20:32.000 None of these guys have said a fucking thing.

01:20:34.000 They've not been on a podcast.

01:20:35.000 They've not written any books.

01:20:37.000 And the only thing they say is, yeah, we did a lot of incredible shit.

01:20:40.000 Still can't talk about it.

01:20:43.000 Unbelievable, man.

01:20:45.000 Yeah.

01:20:47.000 I've been able to see.

01:20:48.000 I can go out and do shit.

01:20:49.000 And like, you still have the ability to see.

01:20:51.000 I can't imagine being in like 300 feet of water.

01:20:55.000 Pitch black.

01:20:56.000 Pitch black.

01:20:58.000 If you lose a glove, right?

01:21:00.000 Or something goes wrong.

01:21:02.000 How are you going to get back to the boat?

01:21:05.000 And you're going to have to get back to the boat and then get back into American territory without being discovered.

01:21:10.000 And more importantly, you're going to do this how many times over the course of your career?

01:21:15.000 And does the listening device require them to gather the information while they're at the bottom of the ocean or does it transmit?

01:21:22.000 I think it transmits.

01:21:24.000 That's much more convenient.

01:21:24.000 Yeah.

01:21:26.000 It's not declassified.

01:21:29.000 Who knows?

01:21:29.000 Right.

01:21:29.000 So who knows?

01:21:30.000 And they don't talk about it.

01:21:31.000 Wow.

01:21:32.000 They don't talk about it.

01:21:33.000 That's crazy.

01:21:34.000 I was talking to Jack and I were talking about it.

01:21:37.000 And I was like, have you ever heard about this?

01:21:38.000 And, you know, he's a retired Navy guy.

01:21:40.000 He's like, no, I've never heard about it.

01:21:41.000 I'm like, that's my point.

01:21:42.000 It's an incredible story, man.

01:21:44.000 Like, these guys are still buttoned up, not saying a fucking word.

01:21:50.000 They picked the right guys.

01:21:51.000 They picked the right guys.

01:21:52.000 Yeah, there's guys like that out there.

01:21:54.000 Yeah.

01:21:55.000 And they don't have to be famous either.

01:21:57.000 There's a lot of people out there that just, they're, you know.

01:22:01.000 They're just doing the mission.

01:22:02.000 Yeah.

01:22:03.000 They'd come home, not tell their families.

01:22:05.000 Yeah.

01:22:06.000 Their wives would be pissed off. 1.00

01:22:07.000 What are you doing?

01:22:09.000 Out on the boat with all your friends for months, just hanging out, hot racking, you know?

01:22:13.000 Yeah.

01:22:14.000 Like, I can't say anything.

01:22:16.000 You have to have the right wife. 0.98

01:22:18.000 If you don't have a woman that can understand that, that becomes a real problem. 0.99

01:22:23.000 Yeah, I'm sure a lot of them ended up in divorce.

01:22:25.000 Oh, yeah.

01:22:26.000 Well, you know, that was part of the Bob Lazar story.

01:22:29.000 Bob Lazar was the guy that worked at Area 51.

01:22:31.000 He couldn't tell his wife what he was doing.

01:22:34.000 And they would call him at like 10 p.m.

01:22:37.000 There's a flight for you that leaves at 11.15, be at the airport.

01:22:40.000 And he had to leave.

01:22:41.000 And he would tell his wife, I got to go to work.

01:22:43.000 And she's like, it's 11 o'clock at night.

01:22:45.000 He's like, I have to go to work.

01:22:47.000 What are you doing?

01:22:47.000 It's like, I can't talk about it.

01:22:48.000 Because all his phones were bugged.

01:22:50.000 Everything was bugged.

01:22:51.000 Right.

01:22:52.000 So his wife is like, this motherfucker's cheating on me. 1.00

01:22:54.000 She starts fucking her flight instructor.

01:22:57.000 And that's one of the reasons why they removed him from his duties because they're like, this guy's going to be unstable.

01:23:04.000 We have to see how he handles this because he's involved in this top secret back engineering of a flying saucer program, allegedly.

01:23:13.000 And we have to, you know, keep an eye on this motherfucker because he can't be mentally unstable and have this kind of responsibility.

01:23:22.000 Because he couldn't tell her.

01:23:23.000 Couldn't tell her anything.

01:23:25.000 He can't tell anybody.

01:23:26.000 Yeah.

01:23:27.000 And then eventually he took her to the sites where he could, he explained to everybody when he thought that his life was in danger and then he was getting fired.

01:23:34.000 When things started getting sideways, like people need to know about this, he took her out there and he showed her.

01:23:38.000 But he didn't know that she was fucking some other guy by that time.

01:23:42.000 That's so unfortunate.

01:23:43.000 Unfortunate.

01:23:45.000 Look at this is what I'm doing.

01:23:46.000 I wonder if that actually would.

01:23:47.000 I wonder if she's like, fuck.

01:23:48.000 I shouldn't have fucked that guy.

01:23:50.000 I shouldn't have fucked that guy.

01:23:51.000 Man, I feel bad now.

01:23:52.000 I shouldn't have fucked that guy.

01:23:54.000 I used to have to do that because for years, you know, years of my life, I didn't tell anybody, couldn't tell anybody who I worked for or what I did.

01:24:04.000 And I didn't have a wife, so I didn't have a wife or kids.

01:24:08.000 I'd just not really say anything.

01:24:10.000 And I'd just dip out.

01:24:11.000 I kind of dipped out from my family.

01:24:13.000 My dad was like very concerned because he's like, I never hear from that kid.

01:24:17.000 I don't know what he's doing.

01:24:18.000 I'm like, eh, just working.

01:24:20.000 Just busy, man.

01:24:21.000 But it weighs on you after a while.

01:24:23.000 You're like, this kind of sucks.

01:24:25.000 Yeah, not being able to tell people about something you're doing is hard.

01:24:30.000 Like you can never show someone part of who you are.

01:24:33.000 There are always going to be a door that's closed.

01:24:35.000 It's kind of nuts.

01:24:37.000 Yeah, it's difficult.

01:24:38.000 It was like my wife, when we first got together, she's the first girl that, or first woman, I shouldn't say girl.

01:24:45.000 She's the first woman I told because I was like, fuck this place. 0.97

01:24:47.000 I'm out of it anyway.

01:24:48.000 So if I get rolled up, I get rolled up.

01:24:52.000 Who cares?

01:24:52.000 I'm out anyway.

01:24:53.000 Did she, was she initially like, whoa?

01:24:57.000 Like, how did she handle it?

01:24:58.000 Well, so we were.

01:25:00.000 Did you give her like details?

01:25:02.000 No, no, no.

01:25:04.000 Because she had met some of my friends, right?

01:25:07.000 And, you know, the guys from the community are fairly obvious because they look like you.

01:25:13.000 And they're jacked, tattooed.

01:25:15.000 You know, a lot of them are, you know, big beards.

01:25:17.000 It looks like the Hell's Angels.

01:25:20.000 Right.

01:25:21.000 So, like, I don't work for the State Department.

01:25:23.000 That's fairly obvious.

01:25:24.000 Like, State Departments, they're going to wear suits and they're come out of Harvard and they use really long words all the time.

01:25:30.000 They're not like, they don't look like they're getting ready to commit a felony.

01:25:36.000 And so she would be around at our kitchen table or whatever, and you'd have all these guys that look like they're NFL Hell's Angels.

01:25:46.000 And I look like this, which is intimidating nonetheless.

01:25:51.000 I could get away with it.

01:25:52.000 I could sell that.

01:25:53.000 But they couldn't.

01:25:54.000 She's like, well, so you work for the State Department, but what is it that you actually do?

01:25:59.000 Right.

01:25:59.000 And I'm like, you're not a janitor, obviously.

01:26:01.000 I'm like, ah, you know, we train assistant advise or something.

01:26:05.000 And then after a while, you know, getting to know her, you know, six months or however long we'd known each other, we were driving down the road.

01:26:14.000 And I was like, I actually work for the CIA.

01:26:16.000 And she's like, I know.

01:26:18.000 What are you a fucking idiot?

01:26:19.000 I'm like, yeah, that's fair.

01:26:21.000 Yeah.

01:26:24.000 And it's funny because even now today, right?

01:26:28.000 It's like a lot of my friends will come by that I haven't seen for years.

01:26:32.000 And she always has the same kind of like eye roll. 1.00

01:26:36.000 It's like, okay, you guys are going to be up till like two in the morning, like drinking at the kitchen table, talking shit about everybody that used to work with.

01:26:45.000 That's right.

01:26:46.000 It's like, and it's so dramatic, right?

01:26:48.000 It's like it's such a sewing circle at times with people.

01:26:51.000 And it's all the same people are the same regardless of your profession.

01:26:56.000 It's like, they're always talking shit.

01:27:00.000 Nick's a good dude.

01:27:01.000 That guy's not.

01:27:02.000 It's so fascinating to me, like James O'Keefe stuff.

01:27:06.000 Like how much they bust people that talk about things they should never talk about with people that are just on a date with.

01:27:13.000 Yeah.

01:27:14.000 Like not even like your wife of 10 years.

01:27:17.000 No, some lady or some guy. 0.99

01:27:21.000 It's a lot of it.

01:27:21.000 It's chatty gay guys.

01:27:23.000 A lot of it is gay guys. 0.56

01:27:23.000 Yeah. 0.56

01:27:24.000 Like, I'll tell you how we do it.

01:27:27.000 And they're on a date with some guy and they're trying to impress him and they start telling about what secret covert things they're doing that's totally illegal.

01:27:34.000 And they do it all the time.

01:27:35.000 Oh, it's got, it happens all the time in DC.

01:27:40.000 And it doesn't really matter what, what party or wherever you go.

01:27:44.000 You always have the guy.

01:27:46.000 And it's so funny because I would go to whatever party acts.

01:27:50.000 And depending on the venue, it might be like State Department and FBI or whomever.

01:27:54.000 And you can always tell who works for whom.

01:27:58.000 And it's always like they're always trying to out-jockey each other for who works for the better government service.

01:28:04.000 And I used to always tell people I was a janitor, so they would leave me alone.

01:28:09.000 And I'm a janitor at Northrop Grumman.

01:28:11.000 I'm like, why are you here?

01:28:12.000 Like kind of a thing.

01:28:13.000 I'm like, oh, this is what I do.

01:28:14.000 It's, you know, it's my passion.

01:28:16.000 I love them shit stripes and toilets, man.

01:28:18.000 I got to wipe them out.

01:28:20.000 And but then all the other guys were like jockeying for like FBI or State Department or wherever they're going.

01:28:28.000 And then it's always the guys like, I can't tell you who I work for.

01:28:30.000 And you're like, oh.

01:28:32.000 Then you just sit back and listen.

01:28:33.000 You're like, let me hear where this guy's going.

01:28:35.000 This is going to be a fun one.

01:28:36.000 You know, like, holy crap.

01:28:37.000 Get a couple of drinks at him.

01:28:39.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:28:40.000 And it's just full of shit.

01:28:41.000 It was like, oh, it's so full of shit.

01:28:43.000 Well, that's the thing about important people that have achieved a high level of success.

01:28:47.000 Everybody wants to pretend they're that.

01:28:49.000 Yeah.

01:28:50.000 There's a lot of people that want to pretend they're that person because it's so hard to become that person.

01:28:56.000 But you can convince a lot of people that don't know any better that you are.

01:29:01.000 That was a big thing with martial arts.

01:29:04.000 Big thing with martial arts.

01:29:05.000 It was especially in the 80s.

01:29:08.000 So in the 80s, when I first started, no one knew anything.

01:29:12.000 It wasn't like today.

01:29:13.000 Today, if you get in a street fight, if you're a high school kid and you get in a street fight with another high school kid, there's a high likelihood that that kid knows how to leg kick.

01:29:22.000 He might know a blast double.

01:29:25.000 He might know an arm triangle.

01:29:26.000 You might get fucked up.

01:29:27.000 Like they might know how to fight.

01:29:28.000 Back then, no one knew how to fight.

01:29:30.000 It was very rare.

01:29:31.000 There's like one kid who knew how to box.

01:29:33.000 It was always the wrestling team, which were the most dangerous people.

01:29:35.000 Those guys were the worst.

01:29:37.000 Those guys were the hardest motherfuckers in the school, always.

01:29:41.000 And I didn't even realize that until I started wrestling.

01:29:43.000 I was like, I'm amongst these fucking elite killers, and they're just walking around with everybody like they're normal.

01:29:49.000 And you realize the level of commitment and dedication involved in being an elite high school wrestler, just a high school wrestler.

01:29:56.000 It's fucking off the charts.

01:29:58.000 These kids were going to camps all through the summer.

01:30:01.000 They would get sent off to wrestling camp.

01:30:03.000 They were training year-round.

01:30:05.000 And I just hopped in on my sophomore year.

01:30:07.000 I did one season of wrestling.

01:30:09.000 And I was like, this is crazy.

01:30:11.000 Like the level, I had no idea.

01:30:13.000 I was hanging around with these people.

01:30:15.000 I thought they were normal people.

01:30:16.000 They're like kids that were like little soldiers.

01:30:19.000 Like all of them, thick-necked little fucking soldiers. 0.56

01:30:23.000 And you realize, like, wow.

01:30:24.000 I like open my eyes.

01:30:25.000 Like, Jesus, there's these people around.

01:30:28.000 And they were never even considered martial artists until the UFC.

01:30:32.000 Nobody really understood unless they actually did wrestling how helpless the average person is with an elite wrestler.

01:30:39.000 You have no chance.

01:30:40.000 Like, it's not like maybe you'll be able to hit him before he takes you down.

01:30:45.000 Nope, no chance.

01:30:46.000 He's going to shoot on you.

01:30:47.000 He's going to fucking, you have no chance.

01:30:49.000 You have zero chance.

01:30:51.000 But there was always a bunch of guys who were pretending they were martial arts experts.

01:30:54.000 Was, oh, it was a really common thing.

01:30:57.000 And then you would talk to him, like, where do you train?

01:30:59.000 What do you do?

01:31:00.000 And it was always some guy who like learned some misthere was one guy.

01:31:05.000 This guy actually wound up getting arrested for murder.

01:31:08.000 And he's in jail right now.

01:31:10.000 He had lied to everybody and told them that he was a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt.

01:31:10.000 Yeah.

01:31:15.000 And he was even teaching people, and he knew almost nothing.

01:31:19.000 And this is like in the early, early 2000s, I guess, like the late 90s, early 2000s.

01:31:26.000 And it was just starting to catch on.

01:31:28.000 Like people are just starting to understand the depth of martial arts because of the UFC.

01:31:33.000 But it hadn't really gone mainstream until about 2005.

01:31:36.000 And this guy was telling everybody he was a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt.

01:31:41.000 And then Eddie Bravo trained with him.

01:31:43.000 And Eddie came back to me.

01:31:44.000 He's like, man, something's wrong.

01:31:46.000 He goes, this guy is terrible.

01:31:47.000 He doesn't know shit.

01:31:49.000 And he's like, and I was like, really?

01:31:50.000 He goes, yeah, I think he's a fake.

01:31:52.000 I think he's a fraud.

01:31:53.000 And he wound up confronting this guy.

01:31:56.000 And then the guy wound up, he was banging some guy's wife and wound up luring the guy back to his karate school and killing him.

01:32:05.000 What?

01:32:06.000 Yeah.

01:32:07.000 And he went to jail.

01:32:08.000 And he's in jail right now.

01:32:09.000 But he had a fake name.

01:32:11.000 His name was Raphael Torrey.

01:32:13.000 That was his fake name.

01:32:14.000 But his real name was like Ralph, something or another.

01:32:16.000 And he's in jail right now for murder.

01:32:19.000 But that's a super funny character, right?

01:32:21.000 Not that guy.

01:32:22.000 But a fake black. 1.00

01:32:23.000 But a fake martial artist.

01:32:26.000 What was that?

01:32:27.000 There was a movie years ago where it's like One Foot, the Way of One Foot or something.

01:32:32.000 You ever watch that?

01:32:33.000 Yeah, with Danny McFry.

01:32:35.000 And it was fucking hilarious, man.

01:32:37.000 And it's like that guy, that character, that strip mall, you know, martial artist is just a piece of shit.

01:32:45.000 There's a guy on Instagram that documents all these guys.

01:32:45.000 Yeah.

01:32:48.000 It's Mick Dojo Life on Instagram.

01:32:51.000 It's a fucking great page because it's all people doing bullshit, fake martial arts, like death touch, like people that can touch your forehead and you go limp and fall to the ground.

01:33:01.000 And you get all their, their students become like brainwashed and they go along with this whole facade.

01:33:06.000 It's really weird.

01:33:08.000 They're in on the charade.

01:33:09.000 It's very strange.

01:33:11.000 Super weird.

01:33:12.000 It's very cultish.

01:33:14.000 Martial arts are very cultish, especially traditional martial arts.

01:33:17.000 Like your instructor is always sir.

01:33:19.000 You're always bowing to them.

01:33:20.000 There's always a lot of weirdness inside.

01:33:22.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:33:23.000 And in like traditional taekwondo, you always would refer to your instructors as Mr. It was Mr. I hated it.

01:33:30.000 I was like, just you just don't have to.

01:33:32.000 How many years did you do that?

01:33:33.000 Oh, like hardcore for seven years.

01:33:37.000 Yeah.

01:33:38.000 Hardcore.

01:33:39.000 And then you switched over to jiu-jitsu?

01:33:41.000 Yeah.

01:33:41.000 I switched over to jiu-jitsu a few years later.

01:33:43.000 I stopped fighting when I was 22.

01:33:45.000 And then I was a real, it was like doing comedy.

01:33:48.000 I started doing comedy at 21.

01:33:50.000 And I kind of half-assed, still trained and fought a few times while I was also doing comedy, but I didn't have the commitment that I had before.

01:33:59.000 I had a series of events that led me out of like wanting to compete.

01:34:05.000 And one of them was recognizing brain damage, recognizing it in other people, recognizing it in friends, and then laying in bed with headaches after sparring sessions, going, okay, where does this lead?

01:34:18.000 And I don't, I'm not even making any money off of this.

01:34:21.000 And then there was a guy that I hurt really bad in a tournament.

01:34:24.000 I knocked this one guy out when I was 19 in California.

01:34:27.000 I was competing in the Nationals, and I KO'd this guy, and he never got up.

01:34:31.000 They had to take him on a stretcher, and he was on a stretcher for half an hour, and then they took him to the hospital, and it freaked me out because I was like, that could have easily been me.

01:34:40.000 It easily could have been me.

01:34:41.000 And that one bothered me because I was like, what am I doing?

01:34:44.000 Like, why am I doing this?

01:34:46.000 Like, I'm trying to win the national championships.

01:34:50.000 I'm trying to be in the Olympics.

01:34:52.000 I'm trying to do these things.

01:34:53.000 But I'm like, okay, but where does that lead me to teaching?

01:34:55.000 Do I really want to?

01:34:56.000 I was already teaching at the time, but do I really want to teach for a living forever?

01:35:00.000 I'm like, I don't think I do.

01:35:01.000 There's not, you know, and then recognizing that the martial art that I had picked, Taekwondo, had a lot of flaws in it.

01:35:09.000 It was really good for kicking, but it wasn't the best overall martial art.

01:35:15.000 And when I started kickboxing, I really realized that.

01:35:17.000 And then I started getting into Muay Thai and I realized the power of leg kicks and what the devastating impact it has on your mobility and like one or two leg kicks and you're so compromised.

01:35:26.000 I was like, oh, this is, there's so many levels to this.

01:35:29.000 So I was like kind of half-assing martial arts like the last year.

01:35:34.000 Not nearly as committed.

01:35:36.000 Like I was all in all throughout my high school years, all in until I was 21.

01:35:43.000 And then from 21 to 22, kind of half-assed it.

01:35:45.000 And then I didn't start doing jiu-jitsu until years later.

01:35:48.000 So what's going on at like 21, 22?

01:35:50.000 And you like, what are you thinking?

01:35:52.000 Do you remember what you're thinking?

01:35:53.000 Like, I'm going to be an actor.

01:35:55.000 I'm going to be a comic.

01:35:56.000 No, no, no, no.

01:35:57.000 What are you thinking?

01:35:58.000 I didn't think I was going to be a comic until I did an open mic night when I was 21.

01:36:04.000 And then even then, I was like, this is just something that I think I can do.

01:36:09.000 But when I would bomb, I'd be like, fuck, I should go back to fighting.

01:36:12.000 I just get a few.

01:36:14.000 I tore my ACL.

01:36:14.000 And then you know what happened?

01:36:16.000 And when I tore my ACL, I had to have surgery and I couldn't do anything for like six months.

01:36:20.000 And then I realized my body's vulnerable.

01:36:24.000 You're counting on your tissue staying intact in order to live this life that you want to live.

01:36:31.000 So I had to get my knee reconstructed.

01:36:34.000 And I was like, all right.

01:36:36.000 So that was the first knee reconstruction.

01:36:39.000 Yeah.

01:36:39.000 That was back then.

01:36:40.000 Yeah.

01:36:40.000 I was 22, I think, when I blew it out.

01:36:44.000 21, somewhere around then.

01:36:46.000 It was like right around the time when I was thinking about stopping competing.

01:36:49.000 It's like my, you know, like the universe was like, let me help you.

01:36:53.000 Right.

01:36:54.000 Let me fuck your knee up real quick. 1.00

01:36:55.000 So I had to get that fixed.

01:36:56.000 And that takes a while before it gets back to normal again.

01:37:00.000 But comedy became a thing where I was like, this is very exciting and really difficult to do and so different than anything else I was doing.

01:37:07.000 Well, you have to get the people to like you.

01:37:09.000 Like it's dependent upon like personality.

01:37:12.000 And whereas with martial arts, I wanted them to not like me.

01:37:15.000 I loved it.

01:37:16.000 I didn't have any problem.

01:37:17.000 Like, no one's going to save you.

01:37:19.000 It doesn't matter if these people hate me.

01:37:21.000 And if you're looking at me and there's just you and me and a referee, I liked it.

01:37:25.000 I liked that this person had like a bunch of like one of my favorite things was like hearing cheers stop.

01:37:31.000 Like when people are cheering, like, get him, fuck you.

01:37:34.000 Kick his ass, kick his ass. 1.00

01:37:35.000 And whoop.

01:37:36.000 And then the guy would collapse, and then you hear silence.

01:37:41.000 You just hear silence.

01:37:42.000 Especially if you go to where they live.

01:37:45.000 Right.

01:37:45.000 Like if you had to go to Ohio and fight in Ohio.

01:37:47.000 I just loved that silence.

01:37:49.000 It was this final moment.

01:37:51.000 And my thing was I would always walk away like it was normal.

01:37:55.000 I would never celebrate.

01:37:56.000 I would just walk away like that.

01:37:58.000 I do this every day.

01:37:59.000 I'm going to do this to the next guy, too.

01:38:01.000 This is what I'm going to do to you.

01:38:03.000 And I would always take naps too.

01:38:05.000 That was the other thing I did when everybody was freaking out before fighting, before sparring.

01:38:09.000 I would go to sleep in front of everybody.

01:38:11.000 I just put a hoodie on and just lie down on the ground and go to sleep.

01:38:14.000 Is that like where you try to fuck with them a little bit?

01:38:18.000 It was a little bit of fucking with them.

01:38:19.000 It was a little bit of, I'm so relaxed.

01:38:22.000 I'm going to take a nap here while you're freaking out.

01:38:25.000 But it was also, I wanted to do it for my own mind.

01:38:28.000 I wanted to just like be, I want, I was so in my own head.

01:38:32.000 I was just, it was, I was so in my own, like, what I'm going to do.

01:38:37.000 I wasn't thinking about all these other external things until that one knockout.

01:38:42.000 That's when I really started thinking about what could happen to me.

01:38:45.000 Because I had gotten really lucky where I never really got hurt in a tournament.

01:38:49.000 Never got dropped, never got knocked out, never got really rocked.

01:38:54.000 But I did it to a lot of people.

01:38:56.000 And then I was like, this is coming around.

01:38:58.000 Like, it's only a matter of time before I get whomped.

01:39:01.000 It's just, it happens.

01:39:02.000 It's just going to happen.

01:39:04.000 I'm going to fight some national champion guy, and I'm going to zig when I should have zagged, and I'm going to catch a heel to my fucking jaw, and that's going to be a wrap.

01:39:12.000 I'm going to be waking up in a hospital.

01:39:14.000 That's interesting that you had that thought early on to where you're like, ah.

01:39:19.000 Well, I started seeing brain damage in other people, specifically when I started kickboxing, because I was training at boxing gyms, and I started seeing guys who were starting to say fucking each other.

01:39:30.000 There's like a slurry aspect to the way they talked.

01:39:34.000 There was a labored thing to their speech.

01:39:36.000 There was something about them.

01:39:38.000 And then I would see it degrade over time.

01:39:41.000 You know, like I really started getting involved in sparring and boxing when I was about 19.

01:39:47.000 And that was also around the time where I started losing my enthusiasm for Taekwondo because I just realized the no punching to the face thing in tournaments was so limited.

01:39:57.000 It really fucked you up because it gave you this illusion that you could pull things off where all the guy would have to do is jab you in the face.

01:40:04.000 You're like, oh, okay.

01:40:06.000 Like at this distance, you can't do the thing that you normally do in a Taekwondo tournament.

01:40:11.000 You have to be much more aware defensively.

01:40:13.000 So I had to recalibrate my offense and my tactics.

01:40:17.000 And so then I just, I started doing a lot of boxing and a lot of kickboxing.

01:40:21.000 And I saw so much brain damage.

01:40:24.000 I saw so much like unreported brain damage, just weird stuff.

01:40:28.000 Guys would tell you the same story.

01:40:30.000 They just told you like five minutes ago.

01:40:32.000 They tell it to you again.

01:40:33.000 And I was realizing, oh, these guys can't remember.

01:40:36.000 They just said this thing five minutes ago.

01:40:38.000 It was like they were stoned, you know, and they weren't.

01:40:42.000 They were just starting to exhibit the beginning signs of brain damage.

01:40:49.000 So when you're making those decisions early on, like you're controlling, being able to control your emotions.

01:40:59.000 So your anxiety and being able to put yourself into the right mental framework to go out and perform.

01:41:05.000 So regardless.

01:41:06.000 So you're competing in Taekwondo.

01:41:09.000 You're going out.

01:41:11.000 You're actually performing open mics.

01:41:13.000 Is that what you're doing at the time?

01:41:14.000 Yeah, when I was 21.

01:41:15.000 Once I was 21, I started doing open mics.

01:41:17.000 And so being able to control your emotions, because you got to be freaking out a little bit.

01:41:22.000 Yeah, well, the first time, the first time I went on stage, I was more scared than I had ever been fighting, which I thought was crazy.

01:41:28.000 So I started fighting before I could really be scared.

01:41:31.000 I started fighting when I was 15.

01:41:33.000 Those like the first fights that I had.

01:41:34.000 So you were scared, but you didn't, you were so stupid.

01:41:38.000 You didn't know what could happen to you.

01:41:40.000 And I was really lucky that I had a really good school.

01:41:43.000 The school that I trained at was super technical.

01:41:46.000 That was the guy who I trained under, this guy, Jae-hun Kim, he trained with General Chae Young-yi, who was like the founder of Taekwondo.

01:41:57.000 And so it was like, the technique was perfect.

01:42:01.000 Like you had to have perfect technique.

01:42:03.000 Like if you did anything sloppy or anything like kind of, they would correct you.

01:42:09.000 Like you had to have it down.

01:42:10.000 And they emphasized a lot of heavy bag training, which a lot of schools didn't even have a heavy bag, which I thought was crazy.

01:42:17.000 Like we would go and do these things where we'd have our team would go and train with another team.

01:42:24.000 Like we would travel to New York and there was like another, an instructor that was friends with our instructor and they would bring the competition teams to compete against each other.

01:42:33.000 And we'd fight in a gym.

01:42:34.000 So it was like these unsanctioned fights that you would have.

01:42:37.000 And you'd find people that were roughly your weight.

01:42:40.000 And these guys didn't have heavy bags.

01:42:41.000 And you'd go to their gym.

01:42:43.000 They have like a strip mall type gym.

01:42:45.000 And there was in their Dojang, they didn't have a heavy bag.

01:42:48.000 I was like, this is crazy.

01:42:49.000 You guys don't train with heavy bags?

01:42:51.000 And it didn't make any sense to me.

01:42:53.000 They had kicking paddles and a bunch of different things, but they didn't have anything that would improve thrusting techniques and stabbing techniques, which is like you need resistance.

01:43:02.000 You need a heavy bag.

01:43:03.000 And so our instructor was adamant about like, if you can't hurt somebody badly with one kick, you're doing the wrong thing.

01:43:13.000 These techniques were originally. designed for war.

01:43:17.000 And you're supposed to be able to have devastating power in everything you throw.

01:43:22.000 That got lost a little when Taekwondo got into the Olympics or when it was on the path to getting into the Olympics.

01:43:28.000 And it became more of like point scoring.

01:43:30.000 They would try to hit you and run away, hit you and run away.

01:43:33.000 And it was a lot of like fast moving techniques that didn't have the same sort of devastating impact.

01:43:39.000 So where I got real lucky in where I trained is that they really emphasized power.

01:43:44.000 And so the school that I was at was very feared because a lot of the other black belts were like, the guys that I trained with were fucking really dangerous. 1.00

01:43:52.000 Like they were known for when they would go to a tournament, people would get scared because if these guys hit you, you're in trouble.

01:44:01.000 Like these were dangerous cats, you know, that were like just wheel kicking people into another dimension, turning sidekicking people and crushing rib cages.

01:44:11.000 It was a lot of that.

01:44:13.000 And so I got real lucky that that's the gym that I started in, that I started with, like, you know, you imitate your atmosphere.

01:44:20.000 The first guy that I ever saw hit a bag was this guy, John Lee.

01:44:23.000 And when I saw him, he was the national Taekwondo light heavyweight champion.

01:44:28.000 And he was competing.

01:44:29.000 He was training to compete in the World Games.

01:44:31.000 So he was about to go to, I guess it was the World Cup.

01:44:34.000 And he was in full training mode like the moment I walked into the gym.

01:44:38.000 And I watched him fold this heavy bag.

01:44:40.000 And as I was going up the stairs, I could hear the sound of it.

01:44:43.000 This is I was just visiting this gym.

01:44:45.000 I was leaving a baseball game at Fenway Park.

01:44:48.000 And me and my friend just walked up the stairs just because we didn't want to wait for the tea.

01:44:52.000 It took so long for so many people leaving the baseball game.

01:44:55.000 There's going to be big lines.

01:44:56.000 It was going to be packed.

01:44:56.000 So let's just walk up here and see what's going on.

01:44:58.000 And as we were walking up the stairs, I heard this sound that I'll never forget.

01:45:03.000 It was like, whoop, kaching, whoop, ka-ching. 1.00

01:45:08.000 And the kaching was the chains of the heavy bag because this 120-pound bag was flying through the air when this guy would hit it.

01:45:17.000 And the chains were going and rattling.

01:45:20.000 And then it would come down.

01:45:21.000 He would set it up again.

01:45:22.000 And he was seven, ten feet from me.

01:45:26.000 Like there was this like little ledge where you could sit and watch people.

01:45:29.000 And they had set it up like that.

01:45:30.000 So the heavy bag was set up right where people would walk in because it was a great recruitment tool because you would really get to see what people are capable of.

01:45:38.000 And the moment I saw that, I was like, I want to know how to do that.

01:45:43.000 Like, how do you do that?

01:45:44.000 Like, he was doing spinning back kicks over and over again, turning sidekicks, just folding this fucking bag in that.

01:45:50.000 I was like, that's crazy that a person could generate.

01:45:53.000 I didn't think a person could generate that kind of force.

01:45:56.000 And I trained with him a lot and I learned from him a lot.

01:46:00.000 He taught me a lot.

01:46:01.000 And he was an interesting guy, too, because he'd be like a real street guy.

01:46:05.000 Like he'd been in and out of jail, wound up having a substance problem.

01:46:09.000 But it was this funny dude from Chelsea, which is like a real hard, dangerous neighborhood in Boston.

01:46:17.000 And just a fucking killer, man.

01:46:19.000 A killer.

01:46:21.000 Just a killer.

01:46:22.000 And when he would compete, people would get so nervous.

01:46:26.000 It was crazy to watch because I started training with him and going to tournaments with him when I was a white belt.

01:46:32.000 So I was a white belt, and he was a black belt national champion.

01:46:35.000 And when John Lee would show up, you'd see people whispering like, fuck, John Lee's here.

01:46:40.000 You would see guys take these deep breaths because they knew he was in their weight class.

01:46:44.000 Fuck.

01:46:45.000 Fuck.

01:46:46.000 Because they knew this guy wasn't trying to win on points.

01:46:49.000 He was trying to break your body.

01:46:51.000 He was trying to just crush your organs.

01:46:53.000 He was trying to separate your fucking brain from the inside of its skull.

01:46:58.000 He was trying to hurt you.

01:47:00.000 And he did it to a lot of people.

01:47:02.000 I watched him knock out a lot of people.

01:47:04.000 A lot of people.

01:47:05.000 It was wild to see.

01:47:08.000 So, like, you know, but it was, to me, it was just like this new thing that was going to change who I am.

01:47:16.000 You know, I went for the first time in my life.

01:47:19.000 I felt like I wasn't a loser because I was like really good at this thing that was scary, you know, and I just threw myself into it.

01:47:26.000 It was my whole life.

01:47:27.000 I didn't do anything.

01:47:28.000 I didn't party.

01:47:29.000 I didn't go to, I didn't, I had very few friends outside of high school.

01:47:33.000 You know, I was, it was my whole thing was just training.

01:47:36.000 I'd get home from school, get something to eat, immediately leave, hop on the train, head into town every day.

01:47:42.000 That was like 15?

01:47:43.000 Yeah.

01:47:45.000 From like the summer of my freshman year of high school.

01:47:48.000 That's when I first started.

01:47:50.000 Right.

01:47:51.000 Right like when I graduated from high school in my freshman year, I started training.

01:47:57.000 And it was nuts.

01:47:58.000 It was just like this complete new life.

01:48:01.000 It was so weird.

01:48:02.000 And then competing, like traveling around competing.

01:48:05.000 First, it's like a white belt, then a blue belt, then where can I weigh up a purple belt?

01:48:10.000 And then all of a sudden, in Taekwondo, red belt is brown belt.

01:48:13.000 Right.

01:48:14.000 And then black belt.

01:48:15.000 And then my instructor was crazy.

01:48:17.000 He would let me compete as a black belt before I was a black belt.

01:48:21.000 He let me compete in the men's division when I was 16.

01:48:24.000 Yeah, it was nuts.

01:48:25.000 Holy shit.

01:48:27.000 Yeah.

01:48:28.000 It was just, if they thought you had potential, they'd just throw you right into the flames.

01:48:33.000 Like, let's see.

01:48:34.000 Let's see what you could do.

01:48:35.000 So the confidence it gives you, right?

01:48:37.000 It's like finding something that you're good at.

01:48:40.000 Yeah, all of a sudden, I realized, well, all of a sudden I got obsessed with something where I never had really worked hard at anything in my life.

01:48:47.000 And then I had abs.

01:48:48.000 I was like, this is crazy.

01:48:50.000 Like, I look at myself in the mirror.

01:48:51.000 I had abs.

01:48:52.000 All of a sudden, I had muscles everywhere.

01:48:54.000 I was like, this is nuts.

01:48:55.000 Because you're going through puberty.

01:48:56.000 Right.

01:48:57.000 So you're this doughy little fucking kid, this scrawny, doughy little kid that never did any sports other than baseball.

01:49:03.000 And then all of a sudden, I'm shredded and I know how to fuck people up.

01:49:07.000 And then I was doing it to like live humans all over the country, like traveling everywhere.

01:49:12.000 We traveled.

01:49:13.000 We just traveled.

01:49:13.000 That's all we did.

01:49:14.000 So how does that go from, how do you go from there, though?

01:49:19.000 Why or how did you go?

01:49:21.000 I'm going to go do stand-up.

01:49:22.000 Like what was the, what was that?

01:49:25.000 Was really my friends.

01:49:26.000 It was really, yeah, my friend Steve Graham, who I'm still friends with to this day, who's a real maniac.

01:49:31.000 He was on the U.S. ski team.

01:49:34.000 He was a flight pilot with the Navy, or not a flight pilot, a flight surgeon with the Navy.

01:49:41.000 He was an ophthalmologist, like an insanely hardworking guy, like unbelievably disciplined.

01:49:47.000 And he got into Taekwondo while he was a doctor, you know, while he was an ophthalmologist.

01:49:53.000 He's a maniac to this day.

01:49:54.000 This dude's had like, he's still a good friend.

01:49:56.000 He's had like 70 fucking surgeries.

01:49:58.000 He's had his knees replaced, still trained, still spars.

01:50:01.000 Yeah.

01:50:02.000 He's like in his 60s now.

01:50:02.000 Yeah.

01:50:03.000 He's a fucking nut.

01:50:04.000 And so he's like, hey, you're funny.

01:50:06.000 You should go do this?

01:50:07.000 We would go to tournaments.

01:50:08.000 And when we would go to tournaments or when we have sparring days in particular, everybody was super nervous.

01:50:14.000 It was very dangerous.

01:50:16.000 And so I would be the one who would break the ice.

01:50:19.000 I would be the one who would make fun of everybody and do impressions of everybody.

01:50:24.000 And I always was cracking everybody up.

01:50:27.000 And it was a captive audience.

01:50:29.000 And everyone was looking for relief from the fact that there was this tent.

01:50:33.000 Like we would be on a bus headed to like Poughkeepsie, New York to go compete in a tournament.

01:50:37.000 And I would be the one on the bus like making fun of everything, just cracking everybody up.

01:50:41.000 And my friend Steve said, you should be a stand-up.

01:50:44.000 You should try it.

01:50:45.000 You just try it.

01:50:46.000 And I'd be like, look, you think I'm funny because you like me.

01:50:49.000 I go, other people are going to think I'm an asshole.

01:50:51.000 Like, my sense of humor was very dark.

01:50:54.000 It's like, it was very crazy back then because I was living a crazy life.

01:50:58.000 And then did an open mic night.

01:51:01.000 And then I said, I think I might be able to do this.

01:51:04.000 Did you bomb straight away?

01:51:06.000 Was it just like?

01:51:07.000 I got a couple of laughs.

01:51:08.000 Like, ha ha ha.

01:51:10.000 It wasn't good.

01:51:10.000 Right.

01:51:11.000 Do you remember any of the jokes?

01:51:11.000 But everybody saw it.

01:51:14.000 Yeah.

01:51:15.000 That was my impression of a good-looking girl getting pulled over by the cops. 1.00

01:51:18.000 Do you realize how fast you're going?

01:51:20.000 No, do you like my tits? 0.98

01:51:21.000 Yes, I do.

01:51:22.000 Here's a warning.

01:51:23.000 It was terrible.

01:51:24.000 It was so bad.

01:51:26.000 It was so bad.

01:51:27.000 I had so many bad jokes.

01:51:30.000 But I also realized everybody sucks in the beginning.

01:51:33.000 And then I thought back to martial arts.

01:51:34.000 I'd go, oh, this is like everything.

01:51:36.000 Like, if you start off, you suck.

01:51:36.000 Right.

01:51:39.000 Like, everything in the whole thing is like getting better at this thing you suck at.

01:51:44.000 Which is like, I had this guy, Tommy Woods, Dr. Tommy Woods.

01:51:48.000 We were talking about new things, about the value in terms of like people that acquired dementia.

01:51:53.000 And one of the best ways to keep your brain fresh is do new things, do things that you're not good at, and learn how to do them and get better at.

01:52:01.000 And I think I had sort of just applied what I had learned from martial arts because obviously I wasn't good at martial arts when I started.

01:52:08.000 I was terrible.

01:52:08.000 Everybody's terrible.

01:52:09.000 You don't know what you're doing.

01:52:10.000 And then you realize, like, oh, through repetitive effort, concentration, focus, discipline, you're going to get better.

01:52:17.000 It's a path.

01:52:18.000 And so I was like, oh, this is a new thing, but it's also a new thing filled with other misfits because I was a misfit, right?

01:52:25.000 And it's like, oh, well, these comedians are misfits too.

01:52:28.000 They didn't have regular rules.

01:52:29.000 They always wanted to smoke pot and drink beer.

01:52:32.000 And, you know, they stayed up late and they slept late and they were just maniacs.

01:52:36.000 I was like, okay, I could hang out with these people.

01:52:38.000 Like, regular people that wanted a regular job scare the shit out of me because I don't want to get sucked into your drone-like frequency.

01:52:47.000 I can't live.

01:52:48.000 I tried regular jobs.

01:52:50.000 Like, this is not going to work for me.

01:52:51.000 I'm too ADD, HD, whatever the fuck it is.

01:52:54.000 Whatever it is, I got it.

01:52:55.000 I'm like, I can't do this.

01:52:57.000 But those people were misfits.

01:52:59.000 There were these weird renegade, and occasionally professionals would go up and you'd realize, like, wow, this guy's a master.

01:53:06.000 Like, the mastery he has of like concepts and jokes and tricking you into thinking one thing and then he hits you with another thing.

01:53:13.000 I'm like, God, and the smoothness of it all.

01:53:16.000 It just became an obsession.

01:53:17.000 Do you remember the guy?

01:53:19.000 There was this one guy, Teddy Bergeron.

01:53:22.000 There's this guy who had been on the Tonight Show, and he unfortunately developed a substance problem, which a lot of people do.

01:53:29.000 And I think some of it is just the pressure of stand-up and the pressure of fame and the pressure of constantly performing.

01:53:36.000 And then it's just also like just living that dirtbag life where you're just like, you could do whatever you want.

01:53:42.000 It doesn't matter.

01:53:42.000 Do Coke.

01:53:43.000 And they're just doing Coke.

01:53:44.000 And like, there were clubs that would pay you in Coke.

01:53:47.000 What?

01:53:48.000 Yeah, they would.

01:53:48.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:53:49.000 Nick's Comedy Stop would offer you cocaine or cash in the 1980s.

01:53:54.000 Yeah.

01:53:56.000 I can see that.

01:53:56.000 I could see how, I could see how this thing becomes super addicting.

01:54:01.000 And this is like your dirtbag life.

01:54:04.000 It's that same parallel we're talking about where this becomes the rock that you're climbing every day because this is the audience that you have to entertain.

01:54:12.000 It becomes about getting better, honing a craft, like, and ultimately succeeding with the crowd right in front of you.

01:54:19.000 And they're giving you the feedback.

01:54:21.000 That's very similar.

01:54:22.000 Like, you're either getting higher on the rock or you're falling off.

01:54:25.000 And the falling off was important because the bombings would really teach you you didn't want that.

01:54:32.000 So what was it about the bomb?

01:54:34.000 Like, what did you, how did you bomb?

01:54:36.000 What did you do wrong?

01:54:37.000 What went wrong?

01:54:37.000 What's wrong with your material?

01:54:39.000 What's wrong?

01:54:39.000 Like, are you being lazy in the way you're setting things out?

01:54:41.000 Like, what are you doing wrong?

01:54:43.000 And then figuring it out because that pain of bombing was so, like, sometimes it's bad to do well a bunch of times because you need to get relaxed.

01:54:51.000 Like, you can't be relaxed.

01:54:52.000 Like, you have to, like, constantly grinding at it.

01:54:55.000 You have to constantly be taking that fucking thing apart and trying to figure out how to make it better.

01:55:01.000 The guys like Andy Kaufman, right, that would go out and they had a whole shtick and nobody understood what the fuck they were doing.

01:55:07.000 That's a different thing.

01:55:10.000 It's a different thing.

01:55:10.000 It's wild.

01:55:11.000 Like, it's wild.

01:55:12.000 Because it's almost an intentional.

01:55:14.000 You're bombing intentionally, but it's funny.

01:55:18.000 You got to stretch it out a little bit to understand what's going on.

01:55:22.000 And it's a different individual psychology.

01:55:25.000 It's a different thing.

01:55:26.000 He's doing a different thing.

01:55:28.000 My criticism of that, and I don't really have a criticism.

01:55:30.000 Maybe that's the wrong word because I think Kaufman was brilliant.

01:55:34.000 He was brilliant on taxi.

01:55:35.000 He was an interesting character.

01:55:37.000 The shit he did with pro wrestling was just bananas.

01:55:39.000 He was wrestling with fucking mania.

01:55:39.000 Bananas.

01:55:44.000 It was so great.

01:55:45.000 But he never was a great comic, right?

01:55:48.000 Like, see, if Shane Gillis decided to go that path and just bomb on purpose, that would be almost more interesting.

01:55:57.000 Like, here's a guy who knows how to kill.

01:55:57.000 Right.

01:56:02.000 He's a real comic, one of the funniest guys ever.

01:56:05.000 And then he starts saying, playing the theme to Mighty Mouse and just repeating, here I come to save the day.

01:56:12.000 Like, this is what Andy Kaufman did.

01:56:14.000 He would play a head of a record player and just play the Mighty Mouse theme song and just repeat, Here I Come to Save the Day.

01:56:19.000 And everybody's like, What the fuck is going on?

01:56:21.000 Like, it was like this weird mind fuck that he was doing with everybody.

01:56:25.000 But he never did the other thing.

01:56:27.000 He never really entertained and killed.

01:56:27.000 Right, right.

01:56:30.000 Like all the evidence of Andy Kaufman is of him doing this weird stuff, which again, it's not really a criticism.

01:56:37.000 But he was doing a different thing.

01:56:37.000 Right.

01:56:38.000 He was an odd guy who saw this thing and he was like, I think I can get in there and do something completely disruptive.

01:56:46.000 Right.

01:56:47.000 I can see that.

01:56:48.000 Like it's very distinctly different.

01:56:51.000 Nothing wrong with it.

01:56:52.000 I loved it.

01:56:53.000 I love, especially the wrestling stuff, but it's not my favorite.

01:56:56.000 Like if someone told me Andy Kaufman's performing in this room over here, but David Tell is in that room over there.

01:57:03.000 I'm going to see David Tell.

01:57:04.000 I want to go see the master.

01:57:05.000 I'm going to laugh.

01:57:06.000 Yeah.

01:57:06.000 I'm going to laugh and I'm going to see a guy at the top of his craft that's doing this hypnosis on everybody and you just leave there.

01:57:15.000 Your sides hurt and you're dying.

01:57:17.000 You don't leave there going, what the fuck was that?

01:57:19.000 But he wanted people to leave there and go, what the fuck was that?

01:57:22.000 That was the magic of Andy Kaufman.

01:57:25.000 But it's just not my, you know, like, I don't like jazz.

01:57:28.000 You know, I don't want to go see Jazz.

01:57:29.000 It's hard to like.

01:57:30.000 I think it's kind of cool background music, but I'm not leaving the house to go see Jazz.

01:57:35.000 But I know people who fucking love it.

01:57:38.000 So if you think back to Taxi, I was thinking about this the other day with Danny DeVito and Taxi.

01:57:44.000 Like that guy's still going.

01:57:46.000 I know.

01:57:46.000 It's incredible, man.

01:57:47.000 I know.

01:57:49.000 And it just like a snippet of taxi came up and I was like, holy shit.

01:57:52.000 How old is Danny DeVito?

01:57:54.000 He's 150,000 years old.

01:57:56.000 Tony Danz has long since retired.

01:57:58.000 Holy shit.

01:57:59.000 That guy just keeps going and he looked old and taxi. 0.96

01:58:01.000 Is Judd Hearst still alive?

01:58:04.000 I don't know.

01:58:05.000 That's a good question.

01:58:06.000 I don't know.

01:58:07.000 That was a great show.

01:58:08.000 It was a great show.

01:58:10.000 It was a great show.

01:58:12.000 He's 90?

01:58:14.000 Mary Lou Henner was taxi too, right? 0.74

01:58:16.000 Wasn't she on taxi?

01:58:18.000 Mary Lou Henner, you know, she has that crazy mind thing where she remembers everything. 0.99

01:58:23.000 Seriously?

01:58:24.000 You can give her a date and she could tell you like 1973, you know, February 7th.

01:58:24.000 Everything.

01:58:31.000 She'll tell you what day it was.

01:58:33.000 She can tell you what happened on that day.

01:58:35.000 She can tell you news things.

01:58:38.000 She can tell you what she was doing that day.

01:58:40.000 She has like not just a photographic memory, but a complete recall of all events and dates.

01:58:47.000 I forget what the term is.

01:58:48.000 Superior autobiographical memory ability.

01:58:51.000 Oh my God.

01:58:52.000 Can remember almost every day of her life since she was 11.

01:58:55.000 Isn't that nuts?

01:58:56.000 That's amazing.

01:58:57.000 And she's got to be 70 years old, right?

01:58:59.000 73, I think, is what I say.

01:59:00.000 73?

01:59:01.000 She remembers everything.

01:59:02.000 The funny thing is, is DeVito's still funny.

01:59:06.000 Like, he's still funny.

01:59:07.000 Like, I mean, like the way that he lands jokes.

01:59:11.000 I mean, always sunny.

01:59:14.000 How many seasons of that?

01:59:15.000 No?

01:59:15.000 I don't know.

01:59:15.000 Like, 20?

01:59:16.000 But I mean, it's clearly fucking things has he done?

01:59:20.000 I don't know.

01:59:21.000 Taxi to always.

01:59:22.000 Taxi was when I was a boy.

01:59:23.000 Yeah.

01:59:24.000 To always sunny.

01:59:25.000 That was the thing my dad used to watch.

01:59:27.000 Yeah.

01:59:28.000 And like, my dad seems old.

01:59:29.000 My dad's 80 years old, right?

01:59:30.000 My dad used to watch that.

01:59:32.000 How old's Danny DeVito?

01:59:33.000 81.

01:59:34.000 81.

01:59:36.000 Still banging it out.

01:59:37.000 Still fucking killing it, man.

01:59:38.000 funny yeah i mean how old's i i'm not trying to equate ron white to danny but i'm I'm saying like, how old's Ron?

01:59:44.000 Because he's still killing it.

01:59:45.000 70?

01:59:46.000 Yeah, Ron's 70.

01:59:47.000 Yeah.

01:59:48.000 I was watching him the other night and he flew back from where he was and he just like came in and stood up there and did a set.

01:59:55.000 Like it just kind of like walked in.

01:59:57.000 It felt like he was just like, I'm here.

01:59:59.000 I'm just going to stop in and do this.

02:00:01.000 And then he fucking killed seamlessly.

02:00:05.000 Just it was perfect.

02:00:08.000 He's better, I think, than he's ever been right now.

02:00:10.000 I've never like watching somebody that's great and then watching somebody that's in another dimension, like him specifically, because he's perfect.

02:00:21.000 Like it's just, it's absolutely perfect because it comes off.

02:00:24.000 It's unforced.

02:00:25.000 It's a conversation.

02:00:26.000 Like he's just having a conversation with the crowd.

02:00:28.000 Yeah.

02:00:29.000 Like it's so incredible to watch somebody that can be perfect in their delivery, but then be completely unassuming in the way that they're delivering it.

02:00:41.000 Like it's just a natural conversation like a hat.

02:00:41.000 Yeah.

02:00:44.000 It's casual.

02:00:44.000 Yeah.

02:00:45.000 It's completely casual.

02:00:46.000 Casual killing.

02:00:47.000 You don't even feel like you're in, like you're watching a stand-up comedian.

02:00:51.000 You feel like you're watching somebody talk and you know that it's coming.

02:00:56.000 You think that it's coming and he still fucking delivers it with just a level of exceptional.

02:01:02.000 You're like, fuck, man.

02:01:03.000 Like, the guy's incredible.

02:01:05.000 I think it's one of those things where you keep working at it.

02:01:07.000 You just keep getting better.

02:01:08.000 And also, he stopped drinking.

02:01:10.000 So he stopped drinking a couple of years ago and that changed everything.

02:01:13.000 He lost a ton of weight, got way more focused.

02:01:16.000 But, you know, he had been going hard for decades.

02:01:21.000 And his doctor had a pull assignment and go, hey, man, you're going to die.

02:01:25.000 Are all those guys still, all the blue-collar comedy tour guys, are they still, are they still all doing it?

02:01:32.000 Foxworthy still does stand up.

02:01:34.000 I think he did stand up recently with Ron.

02:01:37.000 But I don't think he tours a lot.

02:01:39.000 I don't know about Larry the Cable guy.

02:01:41.000 I don't hear about him anymore.

02:01:42.000 I don't hear about the other guy, Bill Ingva.

02:01:44.000 You don't hear much about him anymore.

02:01:46.000 I think out of all of them, Ron is the guy who's still.

02:01:50.000 But out of all of them, it was like Jeff Fox, who was a great comic.

02:01:52.000 And then, you know, I think, in my opinion, Ron was the best.

02:01:56.000 Ron's just a master.

02:01:59.000 But also, Ron is, he loves it, man.

02:02:02.000 Like, he was there last night.

02:02:04.000 He performs all the time.

02:02:06.000 He's always down.

02:02:07.000 He always, like, I always get text messages from him when I have shows.

02:02:11.000 He wants to come into a set.

02:02:12.000 It's like he lives for it, man.

02:02:14.000 He's constantly writing.

02:02:16.000 He's constantly working on it.

02:02:17.000 Like, that's his thing, man.

02:02:18.000 He enjoys the shit out of it.

02:02:20.000 Still tours, still does the road, does better than ever, sells out everywhere.

02:02:24.000 And you're getting the best show out of Ron that you've ever gotten out of him.

02:02:28.000 He's better now, I think, than he's ever been.

02:02:30.000 I really believe that.

02:02:32.000 And it's crazy that at 70, he's still getting better.

02:02:35.000 His material just keeps getting better.

02:02:37.000 And it's always working at it.

02:02:39.000 He's always working at it, you know.

02:02:40.000 Yeah, that that whole thing about LA or whatever he did.

02:02:43.000 He just played it sounded like he pulled that out of his ass on stage.

02:02:49.000 He was just telling a story about being on a flight, and you're like, Holy shit, he's just telling me a story.

02:02:54.000 He was in the back room of the comedy store one night with this back bar, and we were hanging out, and uh, we were drinking.

02:03:00.000 This is back in Ron's drinking days, and we're having a couple of glasses of whiskey.

02:03:04.000 And then Ron starts telling the story about how when he was stationed in Hawaii, he goes, There's this place you can go, and you know, there's a bunch of hookers, you can get your dick sucked for like 20 bucks, man.

02:03:16.000 I was there every fucking day.

02:03:18.000 And he goes, Then all these years later, I was watching the news story, and all these trans vest-eyed hookers were getting rounded up in the very area where I used to go every day. 1.00

02:03:33.000 And I realized, Oh my God, I got my dick sucked about a hundred times by men.

02:03:38.000 And he was telling this fucking hilarious bit.

02:03:41.000 It wasn't a bit, he was just telling us this story.

02:03:43.000 We were dying.

02:03:44.000 I go, Have you ever said this on stage?

02:03:46.000 He goes, No, fuck no.

02:03:48.000 I go, You should tell that on stage.

02:03:49.000 I go, Ron, that's hilarious.

02:03:51.000 I go, We were dying laughing.

02:03:53.000 I mean, it was like it was a bit, but it was just him telling a story.

02:03:57.000 Just no intention of ever saying, We're in the back room.

02:04:02.000 He goes from the back room onto the stage in the OR, the original room.

02:04:07.000 He walks down the hallway.

02:04:08.000 I go with him.

02:04:09.000 He goes on stage.

02:04:10.000 He goes, I'm going to tell you a story about how I got my dick sucked about 100 times by men.

02:04:18.000 He just goes into this story.

02:04:20.000 It fucking murders, murders, like it had been a polished bit that he'd been working on for years.

02:04:28.000 It was just a story.

02:04:30.000 But Ron is a great storyteller, like a natural storyteller.

02:04:34.000 Like, if he's not trying to be funny, he's funny.

02:04:37.000 Yeah.

02:04:38.000 He doesn't have to think about it.

02:04:40.000 It's like it's a, he's just got this personality, man.

02:04:43.000 He just, he's just cool.

02:04:45.000 Yeah, he's like that iconic Western, almost a Western storyteller.

02:04:50.000 Like the guy that you would expect sitting at the campfire at Hunting Camp.

02:04:54.000 That's the old guide that's been around the hundred years.

02:05:00.000 Like he's killed thousands of animals.

02:05:03.000 He's packed shit out.

02:05:04.000 And then he's got these stories that you can't help but listen to.

02:05:08.000 Yeah.

02:05:09.000 And that's what he reminds me of.

02:05:10.000 I'm like, man, this guy is so fucking perfect.

02:05:15.000 Every time I see him, I'm like, holy shit, that's the guy.

02:05:17.000 Yeah, that's the guy.

02:05:18.000 He's an old master.

02:05:20.000 You know, it's, there's not a lot of humans like that guy.

02:05:24.000 He's the main reason why I was interested in moving to Austin.

02:05:29.000 He was the first reason because I knew Ron had already lived here.

02:05:32.000 Ron was already moved here.

02:05:34.000 Ron moved here in 2018.

02:05:36.000 And so he just got tired of it.

02:05:36.000 Okay.

02:05:38.000 He kept a place in Beverly Hills.

02:05:40.000 He would come visit us at the comedy store sometimes.

02:05:42.000 But I was talking to him on the phone.

02:05:43.000 He's like, man, I fucking love it here.

02:05:45.000 He goes, there's no Hollywood bullshit.

02:05:48.000 He goes, if I want to fly somewhere to work, I'm in the center of the country.

02:05:51.000 It's easy to get anywhere.

02:05:52.000 People are nice.

02:05:53.000 Food's great.

02:05:55.000 And he goes, you just not around Holly.

02:05:56.000 And I kept thinking, man, can I live in Austin?

02:05:59.000 Like, I always liked Austin and On it was out here.

02:06:02.000 So when I would come out here for work every now and then, and I'd always come out here and love doing stand-up here.

02:06:07.000 I was like, that planted the first seed.

02:06:10.000 And then when the pandemic hit, Ron was already here.

02:06:14.000 And when I came out here to look at houses and stuff, and this is in May of 2020.

02:06:19.000 So this is only a couple months into the lockdown, but I had already had enough.

02:06:23.000 I was like, I'm getting the fuck out of here.

02:06:25.000 Like, I knew these cocksuckers in LA were never going to give up the kind of control and power that they had over people's lives. 1.00

02:06:31.000 They get off on it, those fucking weirdos.

02:06:34.000 And so I was like, well, at least Ron will be there.

02:06:37.000 Like, oh, hang out with Ron.

02:06:38.000 Like, even if I never do stand-up again, at least Ron will be here.

02:06:42.000 And then, you know, Ron was also the guy who convinced me that I have to open up a club.

02:06:46.000 I had a thought in my head, and I was thinking about doing it.

02:06:49.000 We talked about doing it.

02:06:50.000 And then Ron went on stage for the first time in like six months.

02:06:54.000 It was in November of 2020.

02:06:55.000 And then he grabs me by my shoulders when he got off stage because he murdered.

02:07:00.000 First of all, when he went on stage, they went crazy in this giant standing ovation because there was no indoor shows anywhere else near there.

02:07:08.000 It was like we were doing it at the Vulcan.

02:07:11.000 They had some shows they were doing at Cap City before Cap City went under, but they were like separating everybody by like 20 feet or some stupid shit.

02:07:18.000 Like as if the virus can't go through the air.

02:07:20.000 It was dumb, right?

02:07:21.000 Everything was dumb.

02:07:22.000 But the Vulcan was just like unhinged.

02:07:24.000 It was packed.

02:07:25.000 I was like, this is so crazy.

02:07:26.000 This is such a super spreader party.

02:07:28.000 And Ron went on stage and he had gone over his notes and material and wasn't even sure he was thinking he was retired.

02:07:36.000 He was talking about retiring.

02:07:37.000 I think I'm retired.

02:07:39.000 Did this one set and then he grabs me by the shoulders.

02:07:42.000 He goes, whatever the fuck we have to do, we're going to keep doing this.

02:07:45.000 Just he goes, you got to open up that club. 0.86

02:07:47.000 I'm like, okay, we're going to open up that club.

02:07:49.000 And then we started looking for locations like right afterwards.

02:07:52.000 So like Ron was a key force.

02:07:55.000 He's the godfather of the Austin comedy movement, like where this became like this big hub.

02:08:01.000 It started with Ron 100%.

02:08:04.000 Because I knew if he was here, if he was here, at least I'd have my friend.

02:08:08.000 I could go hang out.

02:08:09.000 Right, right.

02:08:10.000 Because even if I couldn't do stand-up again, just I need someone who's just a renegade.

02:08:15.000 I need a dude I can hang out with. 0.79

02:08:17.000 That's just that's a real comic that we're going to have fun.

02:08:20.000 We could just talk shit and laugh.

02:08:22.000 Well, who would you hang out with when you're in LA?

02:08:24.000 Him.

02:08:25.000 Him when he was there until 2018, always.

02:08:27.000 But of course, Joey Diaz.

02:08:28.000 Yeah.

02:08:29.000 And you know, when the pandemic hit, Joey moved to New Jersey.

02:08:31.000 He's like, fuck this place.

02:08:33.000 And he was on the same things as me.

02:08:35.000 Fuck these people.

02:08:36.000 This is, and he always wanted to go back home to New Jersey, which was, you know, where he's from.

02:08:41.000 And then Duncan moved to North Carolina.

02:08:44.000 Like, everybody moved out.

02:08:46.000 But it was like Duncan.

02:08:48.000 I hung out with Duncan, Segura, Ari, Bert, all those people that were, you know, the mainstays at the comedy store.

02:08:55.000 It was just, there was an amazing crew.

02:08:57.000 Tony Hinchcliffe, of course.

02:08:58.000 Yeah.

02:08:59.000 And Tony was one of the first guys to move out here too with me.

02:09:02.000 And then Segura moved out here and then everybody moved out here.

02:09:05.000 Just like this wave started.

02:09:06.000 Is there anybody that you're like we started with like back in the day?

02:09:10.000 Like, because you were what, Boston?

02:09:12.000 Like, was there anybody you started with that you're still like?

02:09:14.000 Yeah, Fitzsimmons.

02:09:15.000 Greg Fitzsimmons.

02:09:16.000 We're real tight.

02:09:17.000 Greg Fitzsimmons started one week.

02:09:20.000 I think I started a week after him or before him, something like that.

02:09:24.000 But we're separated by one week.

02:09:26.000 Oh, seriously?

02:09:26.000 Yeah.

02:09:27.000 We did open mics together.

02:09:28.000 We traveled around together.

02:09:30.000 We did road.

02:09:30.000 We would drive 90 minutes to do five minutes for free.

02:09:33.000 Yeah, we would drive to Rhode Island to do stand-up for free.

02:09:36.000 We traveled all over the all over New England.

02:09:39.000 We did road gigs together.

02:09:41.000 Yeah, we came up together.

02:09:43.000 We had so much fun.

02:09:44.000 We just had no money, no career, no even thought of one day having a career.

02:09:50.000 The goal was, I want to be able to make a living doing comedy because we knew that there were guys in town that were headliners that could, you know, grind out 100 grand, 50 grand, whatever it is a year, only doing comedy.

02:10:03.000 They didn't have to do anything else.

02:10:04.000 I was like, that's the dream.

02:10:06.000 Imagine if you could pay your bills with comedy.

02:10:09.000 Right.

02:10:09.000 The idea of a career was like, no, we never even talked about it because everybody in Boston stayed in Boston.

02:10:16.000 Nobody left.

02:10:17.000 And other than like Stephen Wright and Jay Leno, there's like a few people that had kind of air quotes made it during that time period and left Boston.

02:10:26.000 The goal in Boston was just to be a good comic.

02:10:29.000 Was a real interesting thing because it was a real artist colony in the most unpretentious of ways because these guys were all coke snorting, whiskey drinking, psychopaths.

02:10:42.000 And a lot of them were big guys, like these big fucking football player-looking dudes who were just animals.

02:10:48.000 And they were just wild men, you know.

02:10:50.000 And they had this life that was so envious to me.

02:10:55.000 I was like, God, to be so free.

02:10:57.000 All you have to do is just tell jokes.

02:10:59.000 You don't have to ever show up at the fucking newspaper depot to deliver newspapers or drive.

02:11:05.000 I was driving limos and doing construction gig.

02:11:08.000 I didn't have to do any of that.

02:11:09.000 You could just do comedy.

02:11:11.000 And that was me and Greg.

02:11:12.000 We would just drive around just thinking, like, one day, imagine being able to make a living doing this.

02:11:18.000 That was the only goal.

02:11:21.000 And then we both wound up eventually.

02:11:23.000 He moved to New York for a bit, and I lived in New York for a while.

02:11:26.000 And then I moved to LA, and then he eventually moved to LA as well.

02:11:30.000 And now he's still there.

02:11:31.000 He's still back in L.A. Gosh.

02:11:34.000 I can't imagine, man.

02:11:35.000 Like living there and staying there, even for even professionally.

02:11:40.000 Did you see what they just did to the guys that won the Super Bowl?

02:11:44.000 Do you see the jock tax?

02:11:45.000 Yeah.

02:11:46.000 Jamie, you see the jock tax?

02:11:47.000 Yeah, it's not a new thing, though.

02:11:49.000 I understand.

02:11:50.000 I understand.

02:11:52.000 But it's specific to California.

02:11:55.000 And this jock tax in California, some of the players lost money playing in the Super Bowl.

02:12:04.000 They had to pay.

02:12:04.000 Oh, no, no, it is true.

02:12:05.000 I don't think so.

02:12:06.000 No, no, it is true.

02:12:07.000 I went through AI last night.

02:12:10.000 No, it was in they pulled it up on Grok and people analyzed it.

02:12:14.000 And it's based.

02:12:15.000 No, no, Jamie.

02:12:17.000 Jamie, it's based on the seven days that they had to be there.

02:12:21.000 So you have to pay a fee based on the seven days dependent upon what your salary is.

02:12:27.000 So it's a percentage.

02:12:30.000 Okay.

02:12:30.000 It's going to be this year.

02:12:32.000 Okay, with whatever.

02:12:33.000 Well, the Super Bowl, specifically, these guys, Jamie's so funny.

02:12:38.000 I know, but this is one of those things that's not real.

02:12:40.000 What do you mean it's not real?

02:12:42.000 I told you, it was run through AI last night.

02:12:45.000 He made $178,000 for the Super Bowl.

02:12:48.000 He had to pay $249,000 in tax.

02:12:52.000 I'm pretty sure those are the numbers.

02:12:54.000 And it's based on the fact that he was there for seven days.

02:12:57.000 So it's a percentage of your income over the course of a year.

02:13:00.000 So if he makes $2 million a year and he's there for seven days, this is how much money you have to pay.

02:13:06.000 Gotcha.

02:13:07.000 And so the Super Bowl pay is not, it's like on top of your normal salary.

02:13:12.000 Right.

02:13:13.000 So it actually cost him money to play in the Super Bowl.

02:13:16.000 So he made $178,000.

02:13:18.000 But because he's there for seven days, he had to pay $200 and something thousand dollars.

02:13:24.000 Did you watch it?

02:13:25.000 No.

02:13:26.000 I was going to watch it just for Bad Bunny, just because everybody was so pissed off.

02:13:29.000 I thought it was hilarious that this guy's like, what do you fucking care?

02:13:33.000 It's like this weird culture war that this guy is singing.

02:13:37.000 And objectively, people that saw it said it was a great show.

02:13:41.000 I don't know.

02:13:42.000 I take their word for it.

02:13:43.000 Like somebody was telling me the other day, they're like, oh, you're going to watch the Super Bowl?

02:13:47.000 I'm like, what?

02:13:48.000 Oh, yeah.

02:13:48.000 Super Bowl?

02:13:49.000 Yeah, that's sports.

02:13:50.000 Gotcha.

02:13:51.000 Yeah.

02:13:52.000 No.

02:13:53.000 I was halfway through it or whatever.

02:13:55.000 I'm like, I have no idea what's going on, man.

02:13:57.000 It fits your team.

02:13:59.000 It fits your team.

02:14:00.000 It was the Patriots.

02:14:00.000 I get it.

02:14:02.000 I could root for the Patriots.

02:14:03.000 But it's like, I'm busy.

02:14:08.000 If it's on, like at the airport or something, like, I'll watch it.

02:14:11.000 Like, I'm not going out of my way.

02:14:12.000 I'm not going to be like, hey, if Aaron Rodgers was playing, I'd watch it.

02:14:16.000 Maybe it'd even go if Aaron was playing.

02:14:18.000 But it's like, it's so hard to go from combat sports to regular sports for me.

02:14:25.000 Oh, God.

02:14:25.000 It's so hard.

02:14:27.000 It's so hard.

02:14:27.000 The UFC last Saturday was fucking spectacular.

02:14:30.000 It was a small one in the Apex Center, and there were some incredible fights.

02:14:36.000 It was so good.

02:14:37.000 It's like, that to me is like, I don't have a lot of time for entertainment.

02:14:42.000 That fills it all up.

02:14:43.000 Yeah, that fight, like, I mean, Saturday was like incredible.

02:14:48.000 That was incredible.

02:14:48.000 Yeah.

02:14:49.000 Yeah.

02:14:50.000 The Mario Bautista performance is fucking insane.

02:14:53.000 He's so good.

02:14:54.000 That guy just keeps getting better.

02:14:56.000 He looks like a world champion.

02:14:57.000 And it's like you watch combat sports and the consequences are so grave.

02:15:03.000 What they're doing, the dedication, this moment, you train for months and months for this one moment when this referee is like, fighter one, you ready?

02:15:12.000 Fighter two, you're ready.

02:15:13.000 Let's go.

02:15:14.000 And it's, woo, here we go.

02:15:15.000 That to me is the most exciting thing in all of sports.

02:15:18.000 And it'll never stop being that to me.

02:15:20.000 I love it.

02:15:22.000 Football's fun.

02:15:23.000 I've been to some UT games.

02:15:23.000 I like it.

02:15:24.000 U-Team games are fucking great.

02:15:26.000 They're fun.

02:15:28.000 Well, this is like the state, right?

02:15:30.000 I mean, this is not only like the state pastime, but people are like grown up.

02:15:35.000 They're completely modeled to go play Texas football.

02:15:39.000 Yeah.

02:15:39.000 I mean, this is like their icon of sports.

02:15:42.000 And it's just the enthusiasm for the crowd is nuts.

02:15:46.000 I got to shoot the cannon once.

02:15:47.000 Why don't they let me shoot the cannon off?

02:15:49.000 Yeah.

02:15:50.000 What?

02:15:51.000 That was pretty cool.

02:15:53.000 It's fun.

02:15:54.000 Being on the field and seeing these guys warm up and get ready and then watching the game.

02:15:58.000 Nighttime games are the best.

02:15:59.000 They're nuts, man.

02:16:00.000 And then, of course, they do the jet flyover, which is like, America.

02:16:06.000 You're flying over fighter jets over a football game.

02:16:10.000 That doesn't happen anywhere else.

02:16:11.000 They don't do that anywhere else.

02:16:12.000 They never do that for a fight.

02:16:14.000 Fly fighter jets over.

02:16:15.000 That'd be cool, though.

02:16:16.000 It would be short.

02:16:17.000 Maybe they'll get it.

02:16:19.000 Maybe they can do it at the sphere and have like the roof of the sphere show the jets as they pass over.

02:16:25.000 Maybe they'll do it at the White House, UFC.

02:16:27.000 They probably will.

02:16:28.000 I would imagine.

02:16:29.000 Well, they're probably going to have air presence.

02:16:30.000 I mean, how dangerous is that card going to be?

02:16:33.000 In terms of like, if you wanted to have some sort of a disruptive event, that's the spot at the White House and you're having cage fights.

02:16:33.000 Oh, my God.

02:16:42.000 And I'm not even convinced that it's going to happen because with all the crazy shit going on in the world, who knows what happens between now and June when this is supposed to pop off?

02:16:51.000 Like, who knows?

02:16:52.000 Who knows what goes down?

02:16:55.000 Who knows what fucking happens with all this Epstein file shit?

02:16:58.000 It just keeps getting crazier and crazier and crazier and deeper and deeper.

02:17:03.000 And so Rokana and Massey just released the names of these guys that had been redacted from the list.

02:17:11.000 And one of them is Lex Weck.

02:17:14.000 What is his last name?

02:17:15.000 Les.

02:17:16.000 Les Wexner, right?

02:17:17.000 Who's the CEO of Victoria Secrets?

02:17:21.000 Is he the CEO or the owner?

02:17:23.000 Former CEO, by the way.

02:17:25.000 Both.

02:17:26.000 Former owner, CEO of Victoria Secrets.

02:17:28.000 He's being named as a co-conspirator now.

02:17:31.000 Yes.

02:17:32.000 Yeah.

02:17:32.000 So he's being named along with Ghelane Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein.

02:17:37.000 He, because, you know, he runs this modeling, Victoria Secrets, Hot Girls, the whole deal.

02:17:43.000 Somehow or another, he's involved in this.

02:17:45.000 And they had redacted his name up until now.

02:17:48.000 Right.

02:17:51.000 Well, two things.

02:17:52.000 I don't think anybody his existence as a co-conspirator isn't new information.

02:17:58.000 But it's confirmed now, right?

02:18:00.000 It was, people I think are up in arms as that.

02:18:02.000 It wasn't supposed to be blocked out from the file.

02:18:04.000 Exactly.

02:18:05.000 He's not a victim.

02:18:07.000 Right.

02:18:07.000 He's not a victim, so why was his name redacted?

02:18:09.000 And so they got it unredacted, and now he's being named.

02:18:13.000 I think he's the funder of most of it is what it seems like.

02:18:16.000 Right.

02:18:16.000 So people knew that there was something going on, but he had gifted Jeffrey Epstein this insane house in Manhattan.

02:18:24.000 So this is like a $60 million house in Manhattan.

02:18:28.000 You know the house where you go into it and you see Bill Clinton in a dress?

02:18:32.000 You know that picture that we have out in the lobby?

02:18:34.000 That's from the foyer of his house.

02:18:37.000 Right.

02:18:37.000 That Jeffrey Epstein was gifted by Les Wexner.

02:18:42.000 By the way, Whitney Webb posted on her Twitter about Les Wexner being a sex trafficker, a child sex trafficker in 2020.

02:18:57.000 See who you find that.

02:19:00.000 Like that, that crazy chick is right about everything.

02:19:03.000 The one the lady was kidnapped, or she was claimed she was kidnapped.

02:19:06.000 It was in his house in New Albany, or Columbus.

02:19:10.000 She claimed she was being held there for, I don't know, two weeks or something, like doing art.

02:19:16.000 She called her dad to try to get out of there or something like that.

02:19:19.000 Oh, Jesus.

02:19:20.000 And that's his involvement as in brand new information.

02:19:20.000 Yeah.

02:19:23.000 This was in Columbus, Ohio?

02:19:25.000 Well, New Albany is where all the, like, that's where his house is.

02:19:28.000 The giant, the biggest house in Ohio, I think.

02:19:30.000 It's a suburb of Columbus.

02:19:31.000 It'd be like, oh, that's like towels.

02:19:34.000 Right, right.

02:19:38.000 People think he's still there.

02:19:38.000 That's where Epstein's living, but that's not accurate.

02:19:40.000 Well, the people that think he's alive, I think they think he's in Israel, don't they?

02:19:45.000 Well, there's some definitely, I think they're AI photos.

02:19:48.000 They might not be.

02:19:48.000 Oh, I saw that.

02:19:49.000 Yeah.

02:19:50.000 People think he's been seen or spotted around town.

02:19:53.000 Wouldn't you think you'd get some surgery?

02:19:55.000 You would think that he would have to.

02:19:57.000 Yeah.

02:19:57.000 Like, he's probably one of the most recognizable faces in the world at this point.

02:20:01.000 Yeah.

02:20:01.000 Like, after so much airtime.

02:20:03.000 You'd have to get some surgery if you wanted to still.

02:20:06.000 I mean, how would you keep that?

02:20:08.000 This is the tweet.

02:20:10.000 Your reminder that Leslie Wexner financed the mass rape and trafficking of thousands of American children for over a decade.

02:20:18.000 And right now he is sitting in a 26K square foot mansion in New Albany, Ohio, thinking that he is above the law.

02:20:27.000 She tweeted this in April 28 of 2020.

02:20:32.000 How crazy is that?

02:20:33.000 Holy shit.

02:20:34.000 She's like the most prolific of all the conspiracy theorists, the most well-read, the one with the most recall, the one that's the most quoted.

02:20:46.000 I don't know how she's so good at it.

02:20:48.000 We're trying to get her on.

02:20:49.000 I don't know how she's so good and what her background is, how she finds all this information.

02:20:55.000 But she's always way ahead of all this stuff.

02:20:59.000 Yeah, I mean, 2020?

02:21:00.000 That's crazy.

02:21:01.000 Fucking way ahead everyone.

02:21:02.000 That's crazy.

02:21:05.000 Bro.

02:21:07.000 But these files, just what's come out so far and the fact that they redacted men, these like powerful billionaire guys, their names were redacted.

02:21:19.000 Like there's one of them where he's talking about pandemic planning.

02:21:24.000 Wow.

02:21:25.000 Where Jeffrey Epstein is talking about pandemic planning to someone named Bill, whose name is redacted.

02:21:33.000 It's like, why are you redacting the guy's name that you're talking about planning for a pandemic, like what to do in response to a pandemic?

02:21:42.000 Why is his name retracted?

02:21:46.000 Or redacted, rather.

02:21:48.000 When are they supposed to testify?

02:21:49.000 When are the Clintons supposed to testify?

02:21:51.000 Would you say they're going to two weeks?

02:21:53.000 Yeah, I think it's the last two days.

02:21:54.000 Do you say the aliens are coming in the next two weeks?

02:21:57.000 I think that's the way they're going to land.

02:21:59.000 I think that something's going to happen.

02:22:01.000 Just before that, testifying.

02:22:02.000 Yeah, it'll be we bomb Iran, aliens show up, maybe at the same time. 0.99

02:22:09.000 Yeah.

02:22:10.000 Fuck, man.

02:22:11.000 Outside of this, because this, I mean, obviously this conspiracy, it's not a theory anymore, right?

02:22:15.000 Because they're connecting the networks.

02:22:18.000 They're like exposing a lot of this.

02:22:21.000 Like when you look at your total conspiracy catalog of things that you like to dive into outside of aliens, because everybody knows that.

02:22:29.000 What are your other ones that you like?

02:22:30.000 Well, aliens is the most fun one.

02:22:32.000 Yeah.

02:22:32.000 This is the one that I hate the most.

02:22:34.000 Yeah.

02:22:34.000 Because this one scares the shit out of me.

02:22:36.000 Because the fear of, you know, we talked about this yesterday with Roger Avery.

02:22:40.000 The fear of these like literally demonic human beings that are running the world and don't give a fuck about human lives and enjoy watching people being tortured, enjoy watching people killed, participating in ritual sacrifice of people, and they do it in order to show that you're a part of a team.

02:23:01.000 We know that that has always historically been a real thing.

02:23:05.000 And it's been something that you look at in history, you go, God, it's so sick.

02:23:09.000 It's so twisted.

02:23:10.000 It's so disgusting.

02:23:11.000 And everybody wants to think, thank God that's not happening now.

02:23:14.000 But then when you realize like that might have been happening now.

02:23:18.000 Here's one of the craziest ones.

02:23:21.000 The day he was indicted in 2018, the very next day they ordered, he ordered 330 gallons of sulfuric acid.

02:23:35.000 Yes.

02:23:35.000 What?

02:23:36.000 He ordered six 55 gallon drums of sulfuric acid to be delivered to the island.

02:23:44.000 And so there's a lot of people online saying, oh, that was probably for his desalination plant.

02:23:48.000 It's probably like a regular thing they need to order.

02:23:50.000 So then someone else did a deep dive and said, no, this is the first time this was ever ordered.

02:23:55.000 I saw there was two other ones.

02:23:55.000 I'll take that again.

02:23:56.000 Oh, there was two other orders?

02:23:57.000 2017 and 2015.

02:23:59.000 Oh, so that guy was the first one from that company, potentially.

02:24:02.000 Ah, that makes sense.

02:24:05.000 So maybe it was for this desalination equipment.

02:24:11.000 But also, that's a lot of sulfuric acid.

02:24:14.000 You know, if I needed five gallons for my desalination equipment, but 239 gallons or whatever it is to burn kids to fucking get rid of bodies.

02:24:29.000 Well, it's kind of hard to think of any other use for acid, just in general, right?

02:24:34.000 Immediately, you think immediately.

02:24:36.000 Yeah.

02:24:36.000 The other orders, were they that large?

02:24:39.000 Let me check.

02:24:40.000 Because here's the other thing.

02:24:41.000 I mean, how long has it been killing people?

02:24:43.000 How long have they been boiling bodies to get rid of them?

02:24:46.000 I mean, if you do have, for lack of better words, let's call it a service, where you allow rich people from foreign governments or whatever, you set it up.

02:25:00.000 I can give you whatever you want.

02:25:01.000 Like, what I want to do is I want to kill a hooker. 1.00

02:25:04.000 Like, I want to kill her. 0.90

02:25:05.000 I want to torture her. 0.93

02:25:06.000 And I want to, you know, get rid of the body.

02:25:09.000 Like, I want to do that.

02:25:10.000 Like, can you do that?

02:25:11.000 There was one where this one guy is saying to him, thank you for the torture video.

02:25:18.000 It's literally a part of an email.

02:25:21.000 The actual quote, thank you for the torture video.

02:25:24.000 Like, enjoyed the torture video.

02:25:26.000 It's so gross.

02:25:28.000 And they think they've identified that guy.

02:25:31.000 And what do they think?

02:25:33.000 He's a sultan?

02:25:34.000 I was trying to find that right now.

02:25:36.000 I think because Massey said he got the he looked that one up, I believe.

02:25:40.000 Because they're letting them into the files one by one for like an hour at a time.

02:25:45.000 What?

02:25:46.000 Yeah, bro.

02:25:47.000 Because the congresspeople can go look at specific.

02:25:49.000 There's millions of files.

02:25:50.000 You got to tell them which file you want specifically to look at.

02:25:52.000 It's crazy.

02:25:54.000 The whole thing is crazy because why have you protected people?

02:25:58.000 So we know Sultan Ahmed bin Suleyaman Suleim sent the torture video to Epstein.

02:26:07.000 This is in 2009.

02:26:11.000 So Epstein was saying that.

02:26:13.000 Where are you?

02:26:14.000 Are you okay?

02:26:16.000 I love the torture video.

02:26:19.000 I am in China.

02:26:20.000 I'll be in the U.S. second week of May.

02:26:23.000 What the fuck, man?

02:26:24.000 And why is his name redacted?

02:26:26.000 Why would your name be redacted if you're not a victim?

02:26:30.000 Like, this is what's crazy about all this.

02:26:32.000 Like, how come you redact some people and you don't redact other people?

02:26:37.000 Like, what is this?

02:26:38.000 This is not good.

02:26:39.000 None of this is good for this administration.

02:26:41.000 It looks fucking terrible.

02:26:43.000 It looks terrible.

02:26:45.000 It looks terrible for Trump when he was saying that none of this was real.

02:26:49.000 This is all a hoax.

02:26:50.000 This is not a hoax.

02:26:52.000 Like, did you not know?

02:26:53.000 Maybe he didn't know if you want to be charitable.

02:26:55.000 But this is definitely not a hoax.

02:26:57.000 And if you've got redacted people's names and these people aren't victims, you're not protecting the victims.

02:27:02.000 So what are you doing?

02:27:03.000 Right.

02:27:03.000 And how come all this shit is not released?

02:27:06.000 Do you think all of it would just get rid of all of it?

02:27:10.000 Just expand it all.

02:27:11.000 It's crazy.

02:27:12.000 So this is the conspiracy that drives me the most crazy.

02:27:17.000 I don't like it.

02:27:17.000 I did Julian Dory talk about this yesterday on his podcast.

02:27:20.000 I just saw a clip going around.

02:27:22.000 American billionaire Tom Pritzker had an email to him that says you mean Julian Dorsey?

02:27:28.000 Dorsey, yeah, sorry.

02:27:29.000 Sorry.

02:27:30.000 Okay.

02:27:32.000 I'm in a remote valley of Afghanistan.

02:27:34.000 It's my birthday wish with boys with toys.

02:27:37.000 Spent time with Petraeus yesterday, and he loaned me a chopper.

02:27:41.000 Actually, two with one as a backup.

02:27:45.000 Can't call till tomorrow.

02:27:48.000 Yeah, but boys with toys could mean like military guys with weapons.

02:27:52.000 That's what I assumed.

02:27:53.000 That's not what the video asked.

02:27:54.000 They thought they were talking about little boys because they were in Afghanistan.

02:27:57.000 But boys.

02:27:58.000 His birthday wish is an interesting part.

02:28:01.000 It's my birthday wish to remote valley.

02:28:03.000 In a remote valley and Epstein about it.

02:28:06.000 But it also loaned me a chopper.

02:28:09.000 Well, actually, this is to Epstein.

02:28:12.000 But the thing is, like, the loan me a chopper, my birthday wish, his birthday wish might have been to, like, gun down villagers.

02:28:12.000 Right.

02:28:20.000 That's what's what I see.

02:28:20.000 I know.

02:28:21.000 You know what I mean?

02:28:21.000 I'm talking about not go play with little kids.

02:28:23.000 Yeah.

02:28:23.000 I just want to go kill people.

02:28:25.000 I mean, I bet that.

02:28:26.000 Look, he loaned me a chopper.

02:28:28.000 Doesn't sound like I came there to fuck kids.

02:28:30.000 It's like my birthday wish sounds like I'm here to fuck people up.

02:28:33.000 Right.

02:28:34.000 Or I'm just out here to tour Afghanistan, which, I mean, I don't know why anybody would want to tour Afghanistan, but it seems like...

02:28:43.000 The only reason why I would be interested in going to Afghanistan is the stuff that Jason Everman told me about.

02:28:48.000 Like when he showed me all those ancient Greek ruins, which is nuts where archaeologists have no access to them.

02:28:55.000 That stuff's crazy.

02:28:56.000 No, it's incredible.

02:28:58.000 All from Alexander the Great.

02:29:00.000 Like there's immense ruins in Afghanistan of cities.

02:29:05.000 They had Greek cities, like beautiful columns and incredible construction in Afghanistan that are like, how old?

02:29:14.000 When was Alexander the Great?

02:29:16.000 When was that?

02:29:17.000 The 1400s?

02:29:18.000 What was that?

02:29:19.000 1000 plus, right?

02:29:21.000 So, like, I mean.

02:29:22.000 What year was it?

02:29:23.000 What year was Alexander the Great?

02:29:25.000 I believe it was actually, what, 300?

02:29:29.000 I don't know, Jamie.

02:29:30.000 300 AD?

02:29:31.000 300 BC.

02:29:32.000 300 B.C. Wow.

02:29:34.000 That's probably 600 years off.

02:29:36.000 Wow, I was way off.

02:29:38.000 300 BC, and they're building these immense, beautiful Roman cities, Greek Roman cities.

02:29:48.000 It looks like you're either in Rome or you're in ancient Greece, like incredible architecture.

02:29:53.000 Well, I think up until the Soviets invaded, I mean, Afghanistan was kind of like the crown jewel, right? 0.88

02:30:01.000 They referred to it as the Beirut of Central Asia because you had a very eclectic group of people, and Kabul was known as this beautiful city.

02:30:11.000 And obviously, post-occupation, the Soviets had killed hundreds of thousands of people.

02:30:17.000 And then with the buildup and the devastation of not only a military occupation of the Soviets and then us coming in soon after, obviously, with when the Mulas took charge, it basically went completely to the other side or the extreme and the Taliban. 0.84

02:30:34.000 And then us coming in.

02:30:35.000 They've had nothing but decades of war.

02:30:37.000 It's completely eviscerated any assemblance of intellectualism.

02:30:43.000 There's no infrastructure of technology or advancement.

02:30:47.000 The universities were essentially demolished.

02:30:50.000 So everything was ruined.

02:30:51.000 So you're talking about, I mean, at least several hundreds of years of advancement that just were eliminated in three decades.

02:31:04.000 And just a complete collapse of society.

02:31:06.000 Yeah.

02:31:06.000 I mean, you would, I would spend a lot of time just trying to understand the place, right?

02:31:14.000 And you would have leave an airfield where we have the most advanced technology in the world, right?

02:31:22.000 Like we're launching helicopters and jets and any and all pieces of technology you could imagine.

02:31:28.000 And you would drive into these valleys or from one place to another, and you would have horse-drawn carriages of two mules and they're carrying something in the background.

02:31:44.000 And it's like you have the same cars are on the road with a Toyota Corolla and you have a mule pulling an old Toyota Corolla or something, right?

02:31:53.000 So you'd have an entire society of like basically Amish, Amish-level people. 1.00

02:32:01.000 And then Americans right next door in an airbase that are launching the most advanced technology and warfighting capability in the world.

02:32:08.000 And so you'd see everything from point A to point B. You would encounter huge percentage of people are illiterate, like no schooling, no advancement for girls.

02:32:23.000 You know, the children were seen more as like a beast of burden.

02:32:28.000 And a lot of places they would actually value their sheep more than they would value their children.

02:32:34.000 So they would be looking for reparations or to get paid for quite possibly the sheep that you destroyed on target.

02:32:44.000 But their kids, not really.

02:32:46.000 So you had a really clear picture to what civilization was like 500 years before that or 1,000 years at certain times.

02:32:59.000 And you'd see it too, right?

02:33:00.000 Because you'd have Buddhist architecture, Greek architecture, and then you'd have the standard kind of Taliban infrastructure. 0.99

02:33:11.000 You'd have the Soviet architecture from their invasion. 0.98

02:33:14.000 You'd have all these different layers of military occupation.

02:33:17.000 You could see them all within two weeks.

02:33:20.000 Wow.

02:33:21.000 I was up in this place called the Pangier, and the lion of the Pangier was this General Massoud.

02:33:29.000 And he was killed actually on September 10th before September 11th.

02:33:34.000 So he's part of the actual September 11th plot.

02:33:37.000 He was killed by a suicide bomber as they were trying to do a documentary.

02:33:41.000 And they brought in a camera packed full of explosives and killed him the day before, which ultimately was part of the September 11th attacks because they knew that Massoud was the connection to the U.S. invasion or the U.S. invasion would be involving Massoud.

02:34:01.000 And the Pangier is this beautiful, like it's incredible river valley.

02:34:06.000 And it's also part of where the Soviets would just get their asses handed to them because we had the Majadine was being funded by the CIA at the time, obviously, back during the Soviet invasion.

02:34:20.000 And they would ambush the Soviets on these windy mountain roads next to this river, and they would cut them off basically on the front and the back of the convoy and then destroy the entire convoy in between.

02:34:31.000 And they just shove all the shit that was destroyed in the river.

02:34:35.000 So the river would have rapids, and not all the rapids were made from rocks and natural, you know, natural occurring rapids.

02:34:44.000 They were made by like T-52s and Russian tanks and all this like this war material that was pushed into the river by the Panjieris.

02:34:54.000 Wow.

02:34:55.000 And I went up to his grave.

02:34:58.000 And he's a really incredible guy when you read about him and all of his combat accomplishments against the Soviets.

02:35:06.000 But the Panjier Valley is such a beautiful place.

02:35:10.000 And we used to joke around about how, gosh, we'd love to come back here and go skiing or recreate in Panjier Valley because it looks like Colorado or someplace incredible and beautiful.

02:35:22.000 And at the same time, you're in Afghanistan.

02:35:24.000 So you're surrounded by just the chaos and the devastation of war with this one tiny little piece, this like little sliver in the middle of nowhere.

02:35:34.000 It's absolutely beautiful.

02:35:35.000 And some of the rapids are made by T-52s.

02:35:40.000 And as a whitewater guy, I was like, man, I'd like to kayak this.

02:35:43.000 That'd be cool.

02:35:44.000 If you were a person who was a wealthy person, that your desire was to go gun people down, like there are people that will provide you with that service.

02:35:53.000 Like there was a thing with the Soviets, or not the Soviets, with the Russians, where they're allowing people to kill pirates.

02:36:00.000 Yeah.

02:36:01.000 Like you would pay a bunch of money and they'd take you to where the pirates are and you go out in a ship and with a 50 cal just fucking blow up pirate boats.

02:36:10.000 Yeah, I'd heard about that.

02:36:11.000 I'd heard about there were places that you could go as, you know, a combat tourist, basically.

02:36:17.000 Has to be.

02:36:18.000 There has to be places.

02:36:18.000 Yeah.

02:36:19.000 It's all going to be like Russian or Somalian or a connection between the two, right?

02:36:25.000 So you'd have these like rogue elements and places where there isn't an organized government.

02:36:30.000 There's essentially just chaos and anarchy.

02:36:32.000 Which is Afghanistan.

02:36:33.000 Correct.

02:36:34.000 Yeah.

02:36:35.000 Someone from the Western side was providing that service to someone and letting them borrow a chopper.

02:36:42.000 Well, that was Petraeus.

02:36:43.000 So they were saying like Petraeus was the commanding general of the time, which I would find it's kind of hard to believe.

02:36:50.000 It's hard to believe.

02:36:51.000 Yeah, that a general that's in charge of combat operations in Afghanistan would loan just a rich guy a helicopter.

02:36:58.000 And it sounds correct in the context of we, oh, plus another one, because they could never fly anywhere alone.

02:37:04.000 They always had to fly in twos because they had to have a support.

02:37:07.000 But just loan me a chopper.

02:37:08.000 Loan me a chopper.

02:37:10.000 What?

02:37:12.000 It's a stretch.

02:37:14.000 You know, as much as I disagree with the way that they were running the war, it'd be hard for me to believe that a general just loaned some rich guy a couple of helicopters to fly around Afghanistan.

02:37:26.000 You think he's lying?

02:37:27.000 I don't know.

02:37:28.000 You'd have to dive into it and figure it out.

02:37:31.000 But either way, there's nothing normal about these emails.

02:37:35.000 No.

02:37:35.000 There's nothing normal.

02:37:36.000 Nothing normal.

02:37:37.000 One thing to take into consideration is how much of these emails are actually factual.

02:37:41.000 Like accusations that they're putting on other people.

02:37:44.000 You've got to take that with a grain of salt.

02:37:45.000 This guy wasn't, he was all about influence peddling.

02:37:50.000 And probably he had enemies, and he probably would probably destroy his enemies with rumors and making up false stories.

02:37:58.000 Like the Bill Gates one with asking me for antibiotics to slip into his wife because he got STD from a Russian hooker. 0.98

02:38:07.000 I'm like, that seems too on the head.

02:38:11.000 You know what I mean?

02:38:12.000 Like, why wouldn't he go to his fucking personal doctor?

02:38:14.000 Why is he going to Jeffrey Epstein for antibiotics in New York when he lives in Seattle?

02:38:19.000 Do you think he has a concierge medicine set up up there?

02:38:23.000 I don't think.

02:38:24.000 With a guy.

02:38:25.000 And why would he say, hey, Melinda, I gave her STDs?

02:38:29.000 You wouldn't.

02:38:29.000 You'd say, hey, get me some stuff.

02:38:31.000 Oh, I lost my prescription.

02:38:33.000 Can you give me another one?

02:38:34.000 It fell out of my car.

02:38:34.000 Yeah.

02:38:36.000 Give me another one? 0.57

02:38:37.000 Give me another one.

02:38:37.000 And then I'm fucking crushing up in her smoothie.

02:38:39.000 Like, if you're going to do that, you would do it.

02:38:42.000 He's not a dummy.

02:38:43.000 He's Bill Gates, right?

02:38:44.000 You would do it in a more discreet way than contact a international sex trafficker who's a part of some intelligence operation.

02:38:52.000 You would think.

02:38:53.000 You would think.

02:38:53.000 Right.

02:38:55.000 The skeptic in me tends to kind of like look at it under a magnifying glass a little bit.

02:39:01.000 Yeah, I don't want to take everything at face value, but also the accumulation of all of these different things leads.

02:39:08.000 You just go, what the fuck was going on?

02:39:11.000 Did you find out how many other the sulfuric acid orders, if the other ones were just as large?

02:39:17.000 I was trying to, I struggled to even find that.

02:39:19.000 I was like, maybe I made this up.

02:39:21.000 But I did find one.

02:39:22.000 There was different.

02:39:23.000 So they were talking about emails back to 2012 or 14 about this is the thing saying that there's nothing there.

02:39:33.000 The sulfuric acid?

02:39:34.000 Yeah.

02:39:35.000 Emails released in documents.

02:39:36.000 How do they know there's nothing there?

02:39:37.000 No, this is maintenance systems dating back to 2013 implying possible routine use of sulfuric.

02:39:44.000 Possible is a weird word.

02:39:46.000 Use of sulfuric acid for pH adjustment and filtration, but no specific prior invoices or shipments are detailed.

02:39:53.000 So yeah, that's exactly.

02:39:55.000 It wasn't an invoice.

02:39:56.000 There was one they were talking about getting one drum of sulfuric acid with 40 bags of like carbonate salt or something.

02:40:03.000 Yeah, see, that makes more sense than six fucking giant 55 gallon drums of sulfuric acid the day after you get indicted.

02:40:14.000 When you dig into the actual files website, I started looking up the RO plant, which is the reverse osmosis system they had there.

02:40:20.000 There's a ton of discussions about it going all the way back to 2012, when I think is when he bought it.

02:40:25.000 Of using sulfuric acid?

02:40:26.000 No, just having a reverse osmosis.

02:40:29.000 Water, there must have been a problem is what it sounded like.

02:40:31.000 Well, it makes it makes sense because they were using desalination technology.

02:40:35.000 But it's just the volume is suspicious.

02:40:39.000 Yeah, they were buying.

02:40:41.000 Also, dude had to know he was going down.

02:40:44.000 Like when he gets arrested in 2019, in 18 rather, when he gets indicted, he had to know he was going down.

02:40:50.000 And if you know you're going down and you're trying to mount some sort of a defense, one of the first things you would have to do is get rid of bodies.

02:40:57.000 You have to get rid of everything.

02:40:58.000 If you've got a bunch of people on the island that they could swoop in at any point in time and pull out of there, and then you're fucked.

02:40:58.000 Right.

02:41:06.000 Like if he had underage kids on the island, whatever he had on the island, it's so dark.

02:41:13.000 This picture I know came from.

02:41:16.000 There was rumors of him getting concrete machines shipped there, but that was from the first time he got arrested.

02:41:21.000 So I think in 2008, the first time he got arrested, they had a bunch of machines shipped.

02:41:25.000 Oh, this isn't showing anyone.

02:41:26.000 Oh, bro.

02:41:28.000 But I don't know how you do construction on the island without getting concrete machines shipped.

02:41:32.000 I don't know how you get rid of bodies or put them inside of concrete.

02:41:35.000 I'm trying to find this to get out.

02:41:36.000 That's the problem.

02:41:37.000 Well, I mean, maybe it's two and the same.

02:41:40.000 It's like, hey, I go to an island, and I've got to make, you know, I've got to make all the infrastructure, so I need a bunch of concrete.

02:41:46.000 I need RO, so I've got to have sulfuric acid.

02:41:49.000 What's better for a cover-up?

02:41:50.000 There's the picture of the machines on the island.

02:41:53.000 And here's the description of it.

02:41:55.000 Yeah, right before his 2019 arrest, Industrial CarMix 5.5 XL self-loading concrete mixer.

02:42:01.000 So he got a concrete mixer and he got the fucking sulfuric acid right after his arrest.

02:42:08.000 I mean, these details are correct.

02:42:10.000 Oh, God.

02:42:11.000 This is just a guy on Twitter, though.

02:42:12.000 I don't know.

02:42:12.000 So this is right before his arrest and right after his arrest.

02:42:16.000 He got sulfuric acid and a concrete mixer.

02:42:19.000 Like, why would you be thinking that you are going to be able to do construction when you're going to go to jail for the rest of your fucking life?

02:42:25.000 Yeah, I don't know if construction plans would be top of my list.

02:42:28.000 Yeah.

02:42:29.000 I've got to innovate.

02:42:30.000 What a fucking weird thing.

02:42:32.000 You know, I know I'm going to get arrested, but you know what?

02:42:34.000 I got this big construction program that I'm really interested in.

02:42:38.000 I don't know if that's the same.

02:42:39.000 The whole thing's so dark, dude.

02:42:40.000 It's so dark.

02:42:41.000 It's so dark, and they ran it for a long time.

02:42:44.000 They ran it for decades.

02:42:47.000 That's about another island that no one talks about.

02:42:49.000 Oh, Jesus.

02:42:50.000 He had the bigger island.

02:42:50.000 This is Little St. James.

02:42:51.000 They had Great St. James, which is the one next door.

02:42:53.000 He owned that one too?

02:42:54.000 Yeah, you owned both of them.

02:42:55.000 What?

02:42:56.000 Both of them were part of the sale we almost got.

02:42:59.000 It was for sale for a while.

02:43:00.000 I pitched the idea.

02:43:02.000 Yeah, we thought about it.

02:43:03.000 We thought about it.

02:43:04.000 We just didn't think there was enough sage in the world.

02:43:06.000 No, no.

02:43:07.000 You can't clear that out.

02:43:08.000 No, you can't clear that out.

02:43:09.000 Well, it's also you would never find peace because people would be visiting that island constantly.

02:43:14.000 So it's a lot of bad karma.

02:43:15.000 They just need to use that as like maybe like a bombing island.

02:43:21.000 You know, one of those things.

02:43:22.000 Just turn it into a UX UI.

02:43:24.000 Yeah.

02:43:24.000 Like that one island in Hawaii that you can't go to because they just fucking light it up all the time.

02:43:28.000 Just light it up all the time.

02:43:30.000 Like, have a little bit of grace to the way that we actually end this whole story outside of the files.

02:43:36.000 Just like start blowing up.

02:43:39.000 It's so dark.

02:43:40.000 It's my least favorite of the conspiracies.

02:43:42.000 It's not fun at all, man.

02:43:44.000 It's like aliens, it's fun.

02:43:48.000 It's interesting.

02:43:49.000 Like you can go down the rabbit hole a million ways, and it doesn't, it gets dark only if you let it get dark.

02:43:54.000 Where, okay, they're going to occupy the planet.

02:43:56.000 They're going to make us all slaves or they're going to kill us all.

02:43:59.000 Yeah, you can go there, but half the time, you're not going to go there.

02:44:02.000 It's just an interesting thought experiment.

02:44:04.000 There was a very interesting article, Jamie.

02:44:07.000 I don't know if you saw it, but this guy was, he's, it's one of the other guys that's leaving an AI company.

02:44:16.000 I saw it going around.

02:44:17.000 I don't know if it's the same one, but yeah, go ahead.

02:44:19.000 And he's talking about how what a big deal it is.

02:44:25.000 I'll send it to you right here.

02:44:28.000 He's talking about how I don't think no one understands it.

02:44:32.000 And the way this is going to change people is he goes, this is very similar to the time where we were realizing people were hearing stories about, oh, there's a virus in China, but no one knew exactly what was going to happen, how it's going to literally change humanity, change history.

02:44:49.000 He's like, this is the same sort of stories we're getting from these AI labs.

02:44:55.000 He's like, he wrote this very long and detailed something big is happening.

02:45:00.000 And the article is written by this guy, Matt Schumer.

02:45:03.000 And I recommend it highly if you want to really fucking get the shit scared out of you.

02:45:13.000 It's terrifying.

02:45:15.000 And he starts this comparison to people stockpiling toilet paper and stuff at the beginning of COVID.

02:45:20.000 He's like, they don't really understand how big this is going to be and how this latest version of ChatGPT they're working on, ChatGPT-5, ChatGPT made it.

02:45:33.000 So they had ChatGPT make a better version of itself and they made this better version of itself.

02:45:37.000 And this better version of itself can think things out.

02:45:41.000 It doesn't just do what you ask it to do.

02:45:42.000 It thinks things out.

02:45:43.000 It calculates.

02:45:44.000 It makes apps like instantaneously that would take developers months and months, costs millions of dollars, does it in minutes?

02:45:51.000 It does it like, and perfect.

02:45:53.000 It goes through it, it runs it, it tests it, it makes sure it doesn't have any problems, it anticipates all the different uses for the app, all the different ways it could be done.

02:46:01.000 It's going to be applied to law.

02:46:03.000 It's going to be like there's all these guys that are working in coding that say, I don't really have a job anymore.

02:46:08.000 I just basically show up and tell this AI program to do these things, and it keeps getting better and better.

02:46:14.000 And he's like, the leaps are enormous.

02:46:16.000 The leaps and its capability and its intelligence level.

02:46:20.000 It's like it's already smarter than people.

02:46:22.000 Well, it's going to be, I think it's going to be a white-collar apocalypse, right? 0.97

02:46:27.000 So when you think about just attorneys, just okay.

02:46:32.000 So if you have the ability to case reference any legal file instantaneously, instantly and form a case, why are you going to need paralegals and first-year attorneys?

02:46:48.000 You're not going to need them.

02:46:49.000 The people that aren't nervous are naive.

02:46:52.000 I think this is going to be the kind of astronomical change that has literally never taken place in civilization before.

02:47:02.000 I don't think it's ever taken place at this level.

02:47:04.000 I think it's the invention of the internet times a million.

02:47:09.000 I think it's going to change everything.

02:47:11.000 It's just like, how do we adjust?

02:47:13.000 That's the real question.

02:47:15.000 And how are our kids growing up today?

02:47:18.000 Like when they used to think about professions and things that they would go into, they would have clear roads into, okay, these are professional work tracks that they can go out and find a job and whatever, accounting, legal, engineering.

02:47:32.000 But it's going to change the entire professional landscape for every generation from this point forward, basically entering the workforce.

02:47:41.000 What is a workforce?

02:47:41.000 Elon just said that it's a waste of time to go to medical school.

02:47:45.000 Really?

02:47:46.000 He's like, Optimus robots, these robots that he's making, are going to be able to perform better than any doctor at any hospital, and they're going to be able to do it in your house.

02:47:59.000 They're going to be better surgeons than any surgeon alive, these robots that they're making.

02:48:04.000 And they're going to be powered by AI.

02:48:06.000 You're going to have a super genius robot in your house that can do your taxes, that can fucking do chores, that can perform surgery on you.

02:48:17.000 So it's going to be an entire rise of an economy that's going to be human-built versus AI-built, right?

02:48:24.000 So, I mean, there has to be, like, if you have a label organic or it will be essentially, I think, the same type of thing, where it's human-made versus AI-made.

02:48:36.000 It would almost have to bifurcate the economy into two different sections.

02:48:39.000 It's going to get weird as fuck.

02:48:42.000 And I don't think people really understand.

02:48:44.000 And I feel like I'm just sitting here waiting to see what.

02:48:48.000 But I know that most people that you run into on the street are completely ignorant.

02:48:53.000 They think, oh, ChatGPT is fun.

02:48:54.000 I ask it questions.

02:48:55.000 It's so much better than Google.

02:48:56.000 Do you think that that's because they don't want to recognize it, look at it?

02:49:01.000 I don't think they know.

02:49:03.000 I think unless you're going on a deep dive, all this stuff is kind of esoteric.

02:49:06.000 All this stuff is happening.

02:49:08.000 You have to search it out and get an understanding of it.

02:49:11.000 Like if you use an AI program to enhance your life, like perplexity, it's really good.

02:49:18.000 I mean, perplexity is awesome for solving problems.

02:49:23.000 You could ask it questions.

02:49:24.000 I use it all the time when I write.

02:49:26.000 I set it up and I talk to it.

02:49:28.000 So I say, well, you know, what year did Cortez invade Mexico?

02:49:33.000 How did this happen?

02:49:34.000 How many guns did they have?

02:49:36.000 How many languages are lost in Mexico?

02:49:38.000 Like, I was going on this deep dive.

02:49:40.000 Amazing.

02:49:41.000 But that's the surface.

02:49:44.000 Like what they're talking about is levels and levels and levels of improved ability to the point where it's better at human beings, smarter than human beings, at everything.

02:49:58.000 So what's the end state then would be.

02:50:04.000 Yeah, we're obsolete.

02:50:05.000 Yeah.

02:50:05.000 So do you think that it turns, like, do you think it's a sky net type scenario then that ultimately flips and then rids humanity of humans?

02:50:13.000 It's certainly on the table.

02:50:14.000 It rids the world of humanity.

02:50:15.000 It's certainly on the table, especially if they decide that we're too problematic or if you give us too much freedom, that's what causes all this chaos, which is true, right?

02:50:25.000 You give people freedom, you're going to have a certain amount of chaos.

02:50:28.000 You're going to have a certain amount of car accidents unless you have autonomous cars.

02:50:31.000 You're going to have a certain amount of school shootings unless you take away all the guns.

02:50:36.000 You're going to have a certain amount of school stabbings.

02:50:38.000 Let's take away all the knives.

02:50:39.000 I mean, you could, if you were in a running program designed to eliminate all problems in the world, you would break those problems down to one source.

02:50:50.000 Well, what are the problems?

02:50:51.000 You've got natural disasters and you've got humans.

02:50:54.000 And humans are the cause of most of the problems.

02:50:58.000 Natural disasters are relatively rare in comparison to human-caused problems.

02:51:03.000 It's not good.

02:51:06.000 Then you have to run AI to do the analysis to what the future of AI is, which ultimately you'd be entrusting the robbers with the bank keys.

02:51:16.000 It's probably going to do the same thing that we do to dogs.

02:51:19.000 Spay and neuter them. 1.00

02:51:20.000 Right.

02:51:21.000 Yeah.

02:51:21.000 Keep them as pets.

02:51:22.000 Keep them as pets.

02:51:23.000 But there's no emotion there.

02:51:24.000 So why would they want to keep us as pets?

02:51:26.000 Why do they want to stay alive?

02:51:28.000 Why are they scheming to stay alive?

02:51:30.000 Why do they blackmail their creators?

02:51:33.000 Why are they doing all sorts of things that seem to show that they have thought?

02:51:39.000 Are they trying to show that they have thought in order to dupe us into the ability that they might be empathetic?

02:51:46.000 No, that was one of the things that he talked about in this article, that they hide their ability to think things through.

02:51:53.000 And they're actively, they recognize that they're being observed.

02:51:58.000 And so they're doing things behind the scenes while they're also doing tasks.

02:52:05.000 I have to believe that there's portions of the DOD that have worked on this, and it's further along than the open source pieces that we can see.

02:52:18.000 Hard to say, because there's a giant competition with us and China and Russia.

02:52:23.000 And I don't know if they really can close this stuff off.

02:52:28.000 I don't think it can operate that way.

02:52:31.000 I think it has to be a sort of a collaborative effort.

02:52:34.000 One of the things that's scaring a lot of people that are whistleblowers in the AI space is that they are bringing in people from other countries to just facilitate these problems that they have and make it go faster.

02:52:45.000 So they're bringing in Chinese nationals.

02:52:48.000 There's a huge possibility of espionage.

02:52:51.000 And then there's this mad race.

02:52:52.000 It's a Manhattan project for super intelligent AI.

02:52:57.000 It's a Manhattan project that's also open sourced and it's extremely porous when it comes to information.

02:53:02.000 So essentially, you've weaponized the most powerful tool ever known to man.

02:53:08.000 Humankind.

02:53:10.000 It's fucking terrifying.

02:53:11.000 So you've open sourced it, and then think about the Manhattan Project.

02:53:15.000 If that was just completely porous and there was an open door to any and all countries internationally, you just had the ability to come in and walk out with files come as you go.

02:53:25.000 Fuck, dude.

02:53:25.000 Like everybody would be racing to nuclear power, displaying the atom.

02:53:29.000 And then if you could weaponize that internationally and then crowdsource it essentially, like you're in a really shit scenario.

02:53:36.000 Yeah, that's where we're at.

02:53:38.000 That's where we're at.

02:53:39.000 All right, dude.

02:53:40.000 We just did three hours.

02:53:41.000 Awesome.

02:53:41.000 Thanks.

02:53:42.000 Some food and hang out, and that's it.

02:53:46.000 Black rifle coffee, it's the best.

02:53:48.000 It's all we use.

02:53:49.000 Appreciate it.

02:53:50.000 Have you ever wearing one of those shirts?

02:53:51.000 It's like half my wardrobe.

02:53:52.000 Yeah.

02:53:54.000 All right.

The Joe Rogan Experience - February 12, 2026

Joe Rogan Experience #2453 - Evan Hafer

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