In this episode of the Joe Rogan Experience podcast, I sit down with my good friend Dr. Robert Kiyosaki to talk about his career as a stem cell biologist at the University of Virginia Medical Center and his work in the field of stem cell therapy. He s been in the medical field for a long time and has a lot of experience in stem cell biology and stem cell research. In this episode, we talk about how he got his start in the stem cell field, his experience with the controversial M.O.V. (memovel vaccine) vaccine, and how he came to the realization that he should never have taken the vaccine in the first place.
00:04:13.000It was kind of back then, it was almost a little bit of witchcraft.
00:04:19.000You'd drop, I mean, for me as a graduate student when I was doing that, it was incredibly scary because it was a couple thousand dollars worth of reagents in a little tiny tube.
00:04:28.000And, you know, back in the late 80s, that was real money.
00:04:32.000And it didn't always work, the reaction.
00:04:36.000So, you know, it was a little bit of a wing and a prayer.
00:04:41.000But then as I started working with animal models and with the different formulations, I could come up with a variety of different compounds and formulations that worked pretty well in cell culture, but not so well in animals.
00:04:58.000And I spent a lot of time trying to do that, optimize that, and what I ended up with is just seeing that it really caused, you know, I'm sorry to use medical jargon, that's kind of where I'm from, so that's the language of the microphone.
00:05:14.000It caused a lot of inflammation, you know, white cell infiltrates, really aggressive white cell infiltrates in my hands in both mice and monkeys.
00:05:23.000And I'd abandoned it as something that just, you know, was useful in research, particularly in cell culture, but I just didn't see it maturing as an efficient delivery strategy with low risk, you know, acceptable risk, in animals.
00:05:45.000And that also became the experience at this company that I had first joined where a lot of the original patents were filed, ViCal.
00:05:56.000They abandoned the RNA because they couldn't make it.
00:06:01.000And they turned largely to this strange discovery that we had that was a negative control, that the RNA alone or DNA alone was actually more effective in animal models, mice for instance, than it was to use the positively charged fats.
00:06:25.000Now people call them lipid nanoplexes, lots of fancy words around it.
00:06:30.000It was just positively charged fats of various types that were mixed that bind the DNA or the RNA and kind of spontaneously assemble.
00:06:41.000And a lot of work went into trying to improve that.
00:06:44.000We did what we could in the 90s when I was at Davis to try to advance that technology and develop new lipids.
00:06:52.000And we had a number of them get patented and they were marketed by ProMega and others, but could never solve the delivery in vivo.
00:07:00.000But this group up in University of British Columbia that had been banging away at this kind of related liposome tech for years and years, even before I had known anything about it, were the ones that kind of came up with the magic sauce that is used essentially by both the Moderna and Pfizer products.
00:07:25.000And that's the stuff that we've all been exposed to, those that have taken it.
00:07:31.000So when you were first experimenting, you said it couldn't be localized.
00:07:36.000So meaning that in the injection site, it was supposed to be there, and then your body was supposed to produce antibodies because of the injection.
00:07:52.000Yeah, and I called my colleagues at University of British Columbia that I had known back in the day as I was grappling with whether or not to take the product because I had to travel.
00:08:08.000As you recall back then, forget international travel if you weren't jabbed.
00:08:20.000Yeah, so I called Peter and had a chat with him, and he said that they had solved the problems of the distribution, that now when you injected it, it would stay local.
00:08:32.000It would go to the draining lymph nodes.
00:08:35.000It was much more effective, and that they didn't have those safety issues anymore.
00:08:39.000So that was one of the reasons why I decided to go ahead.
00:08:42.000Did you ask how they solved that problem?
00:08:44.000Yeah, yeah, I asked in detail because I knew some of the nature of the formulations.
00:08:49.000Again, I don't want to get too technical.
00:08:52.000But what was claimed was that the incorporation of polyethylene glycol, so this is, you know, you would know that as antifreeze.
00:09:04.000But it's in the liposome world, it's long been known as a way to create what are known as stealth liposomes that circulate in your body for a long period of time and make it so that these particles don't get inactivated by extracellular proteins and the liver and stuff like that.
00:09:23.000And so he was using the gentleman in particular named Peter Cullis.
00:09:30.000By the way, he's the one that should have got the Nobel Prize for these products as far as I'm concerned and got slided in the pick.
00:09:37.000But Peter Cullis said that they had experimented with a lot of different structures of the fat particles, chemical structures.
00:09:47.000So they came up with some that had these properties of staying localized and then built the formulations in ways that were similar to what I'd done with cholesterol and other things, but then also added these shorter polyethylene glycol molecules attached with a really short organic, you call it fat or gasoline-like molecule,
00:10:13.000that put the peg into the liposome particle, but in a way that once it got into the body, it would fall off.
00:10:22.000And so this is, you know, some people have the sensation as I did with my second jab of, you know, you get it and then suddenly you feel tingling in the end of your fingers or things like that.
00:11:57.000And also, there was this buzz going around at the time that if you had long COVID, which at the time, if you think back to then, there was a whole cloud over even using the words long COVID, that the idea that you would have these long-lasting effects from getting the infection was controversial and not really accepted, but partially promoted.
00:12:27.000And there was a narrative that was in retrospect actively promoted that if you took the vaccines and if you had this symptom of this chronic malaise and loss of stamina, I mean, you're a guy that's, it's important to you to be physically fit.
00:12:46.000For me, it's been important to be physically fit all my life because I've always been a farmer and a carpenter and worked with my hands and my body.
00:13:09.000And nobody knew anything about this, what was causing it, whether it was even real, but I was experiencing it.
00:13:17.000There's a whole cluster of people who say there's no virus, and there's certainly not any long COVID, but I experienced it.
00:13:24.000And so it was promoted that if you took the jab and you had this symptom, then it would kick your immune system up.
00:13:33.000You get more of a response to the spike antigen, and that would allow you to clear these symptoms of long COVID.
00:13:42.000That turns out, now we have data in just fairly recently, that in fact the opposite is true.
00:13:48.000So this idea of long COVID, so you got long COVID from the actual infection of COVID-19 before the jab.
00:13:56.000Yeah, I got infected in late, very end of February 2020.
00:14:02.000I was in Boston at a conference on drug discovery, computational drug discovery, high-throughput stuff, very high-tech MIT, and staying in a little firehouse that had been converted to a hotel right across the street from the biotech company that the initial Boston outbreak was associated with.
00:15:32.000So my whole story, there's a whole bunch of what I did back then that never gets discussed, and that's okay.
00:15:41.000But the kickoff was that I got this call from Wuhan, I think.
00:15:48.000It was Remuhan from this guy that used to be CIA named Michael Callahan, who I'd worked with in the past.
00:15:56.000And had told me, he told me with the call that there was this virus in Wuhan, this coronavirus, that looked like it was going to be serious.
00:16:05.000And I ought to pay attention to it, and I ought to get a team wound up to try to address this.
00:16:10.000So, what I'd done, because this is coming off of what I did in Zika, I'm a vaccinologist at CORE, but developing a vaccine in the face of an outbreak historically has taken a decade.
00:16:28.000And it just isn't a practical way to address an emergent infectious disease crisis.
00:16:35.000And I had become convinced that the best way to do that was through repurposed drugs.
00:16:41.000So, after I get this call, I put the team together building on the technology that I'd been working with at USAMRID during Zika for rapid identification of repurposed drugs to address a new crisis.
00:17:02.000And this time, we'd really taken a computational approach.
00:17:07.000So, I used some tech out of UC San Francisco to recreate one of the key proteins in SARS-CoV-2 based on the sequence that got published from Wuhan in January 11th, I think, of 2020.
00:17:23.000And we started doing what's called computational docking of very, very large virtual libraries using Amazon AWS and high-throughput parallel processing and came up with a list of compounds and then kind of screened those against problems, adverse events, that kind of stuff.
00:18:16.000You know, at that point, I'd spent a lot of time already looking into the virus and what it was causing and what people were saying it was causing.
00:19:07.000And the famatidine at higher doses now has been verified to be helpful.
00:19:14.000And it was one of the first things out of the box that people started taking even prophylactically before we knew about ivermectin and other things.
00:19:24.000I mean, there's a whole thread here we could go on for an hour about what was done with the repurposed drugs.
00:19:30.000I was working closely with the Defense Hurt Reduction Agency and I managed to capture a few hundred million dollars and direct that towards drug repurposing adaptive clinical trials, et cetera.
00:19:49.000And the thing that I zoomed in on through a collaboration with a doc up in Minnesota was the combination of famatidine, another anti-inflammatory called silicoxib.
00:20:07.000And then the thing that really kicked it in high gear was the forbidden horse medicine, ivermectin.
00:20:15.000And we got, I managed to, working with DOD, got over $100 million, set up a contract.
00:20:24.000It got managed by SAIC, and we were going to go after that using a very cutting-edge clinical trial design.
00:20:41.000We submitted initial drug applications for using this combination of licensed drugs, well-known licensed drugs.
00:20:51.000And the FDA just dug in, again and again, rejected the application.
00:20:58.000So long, what they said was we were going to have to do cell culture tests to demonstrate the antiviral activity of ivermectin before they would allow us to proceed.
00:21:10.000And so in the end, the DOD caved, and they dropped the ivermectin component and proceeded with the fumatidine and silicoxib, which showed some effect.
00:21:27.000I really, people think that I have visibility into the FDA, and yeah, I've met with them, and I have a background in regulatory affairs, but the policy decisions that were made during COVID and still to this day are perplexing.
00:21:48.000They deployed, what do we want to call it, propaganda, psychological warfare, nudge, everything, just like they did after you and I had our little discussion.
00:22:20.000The search results on Google went nuts.
00:22:24.000Well, because it perfectly described what was happening.
00:22:27.000Oh, and couldn't be, no, it couldn't possibly describe what was happening, even though every single person that heard it knew damn well it did.
00:23:10.000That's fun to dive into because it relates to the psychological warfare domain that now I've become a pseudo-expert on, just in trying to understand what the hell I experienced and what's going on.
00:23:22.000So Matthias Desmut, who's a friend at University of Ghent in Belgium, who, by the way, has been pretty well railroaded in his university now.
00:23:33.000Not allowed to teach his own book on the psychological basis of totalitarianism, which is where that book had not come out yet.
00:23:41.000But it was the mass formation hypothesis is what was the kind of core of that book that's now published and widely regarded.
00:23:53.000So Matthias came, Matthias is somebody who, as a PhD, a full professor, had long taught 20th century psychology work relating to totalitarianism and thought that goes back to Freud and beyond, really all the way back to Plato and the allegory of the cave.
00:24:18.000And in particular, there was a number of philosophers in the 20th century associated with trying to make sense of Nazi Germany and what had happened to the German people and really all over the world, but particularly relating to the Germans.
00:24:35.000And Matthias had been teaching this on a regular basis.
00:24:39.000And the way he tells the story, he had an epiphany one day that, oh my God, the thing that I've been teaching, I'm living.
00:24:48.000We're experiencing this process of the formation of masses.
00:24:55.000And you could call it crowd psychology.
00:24:59.000So mass formation, it's kind of awkward or mass formation psychosis, which is what the term was that was used in the initial podcast that he gave out.
00:25:11.000But, you know, it's not in the, the attack was that it's not in the Diagnostics and Statistical Manual for the American Psychiatric Association, so therefore it doesn't exist.
00:25:27.000But the core of it is that when people, to make it simple, become disassociated from society and from each other, they become extremely vulnerable to manipulation of a variety of different types.
00:25:43.000And a leader can come into that environment and offer, to simplify it, offer a solution to their pain.
00:25:55.000Because being isolated, socially isolated, is associated with pain.
00:25:58.000We as human beings have a need to connect with others.
00:26:02.000It's a fundamental aspect of being human.
00:26:14.000And in certain situations where people are threatened, and in particular in the modern era, where we have all of these things that drive us into isolation, most notably our electronic tools, we become disassociated from our community.
00:26:33.000And when that happens, we have a strong need to become associated with community.
00:26:38.000And a leader can come into that environment and basically say, I have the solution to your pain, your psychological pain.
00:26:48.000And what will happen is a strange phenomenon where people will, rather than building social networks, let's say horizontally, to those around them, they'll attach to this strong leader.
00:27:02.000And they'll get fulfillment for that need to belong by this attachment to that leader and following the edicts of that leader.
00:27:14.000And this leads to this phenomena that gives rise, you know, enables totalitarianism, but gives rise to this whole cluster of things that Mistius described that He uses the term mass formation in a way that's kind of an odd artifact of translation, I guess, from the Dutch.
00:27:39.000An easier way to think of it is crowd formation.
00:27:46.000And in his examination of the history of what happened in Nazi Germany, where things, people really went crazy.
00:27:58.000I mean, mothers were turning their children in.
00:28:02.000Children were being executed consequent to mothers' testimony, which is really strange when you think about it, just in a fundamental way.
00:28:14.000We had all of this dear leader kind of stuff, the linkage of the self and the soul to this central figure in deriving a sense of identity and belonging from that that went on.
00:28:36.000And there's still people from that generation in Germany that are still caught up in a lot of that.
00:28:53.000When we spoke before, I gave a much more technical, precise definition of Matthias' core thesis.
00:29:04.000But once this happens, then people become very, very easily manipulated through propaganda and a variety of techniques that now I have a better comprehension of.
00:29:18.000I mean, then I was still just trying to make sense, just like all of us, of what the heck was going on.
00:29:26.000But now it's kind of coalesced into an understanding of the fact that modern psychology has been weaponized.
00:29:39.000It's been intentionally weaponized in the context of military activities in the domain that, you know, one way to express it, the term is used, the kind of term of art in military jargon is fifth generation warfare, or you could call it psychological warfare.
00:29:57.000And what it distinguishes the present from, say, Sun Tzu and, you know, ancient propaganda has always been part of warfare in humans.
00:30:18.000We haven't had all these tools that allow the control of information, thought, perception, feelings, emotions that have become commonplace.
00:30:32.000And that, you know, is, and has, you know, this suite of technology and capabilities that we saw deployed in all of us were built in a kind of a structured way, largely by UK and U.S. leadership in the intelligence community as a weapon of war to counter these successful insurgencies that we keep losing wars over, you know,
00:31:02.000Vietnam being a notable example all the way through Afghanistan.
00:32:09.000But there, they don't have those obstacles.
00:32:13.000And the government believes in the UK that once they have won an election, it's perfectly acceptable to deploy this modern psychology and information control technology on their own population.
00:32:27.000And I argue that once that Rubicon is crossed, the idea of democracy, because the tech is so powerful, becomes completely perverted.
00:32:37.000And we got a good hard taste of that during COVID.
00:32:42.000What you and I experienced, what you experienced with Ivermecton, what you experienced with just talking about your own experiences and the blowback that happened after we did that little hit is a super powerful,
00:33:03.000clear case study in understanding this intersection of modern psychology, warfare technology, and the digital world and algorithmic control of information, the creation of digital avatars for all of us,
00:33:28.000the application now in the present of artificial intelligence to custom craft messaging that gets fed into our digital domains on a regular basis in order to sell us whatever, but also to shape how we think and to control what information we get access to all the time.
00:33:57.000Just to give an example, my wife, who does a lot of our research for our Substack, was talking to me the other day.
00:34:04.000She just gave me a couple examples where stories that were in corporate media in the United States that weren't listing certain key names or whatever.
00:34:17.000She said, I just go to the Hindustu Times.
00:34:20.000Hindustu Times is a great source for all the stuff that we're not allowed to see here in the United States.
00:34:26.000You're now in an environment, in an information environment, where you cannot rely on, but we all know that.
00:34:36.000You can't rely on corporate media, but the rules, the boundaries that are being set up about information are profound and they're completely distorting our ability to process what's happening around us.
00:34:51.000Can I give you the example of what actually happened?
00:34:54.000You said in our example with the blowback in Spotify, this is documented by a report out from the House about COVID and what happened.
00:35:08.000And that report only carries just through to the early part of the vaccines and then it stops.
00:35:14.000For some reason, they didn't really want to go down the road to the vaccines.
00:35:18.000They did talk a lot about the events around the, let's say, lab leak hypothesis, which is allowed.
00:35:28.000You're allowed in D.C. now to talk about that.
00:35:37.000So what was documented was that the trail of events was that we had our discussion.
00:35:48.000That triggered, and this is going to sound bizarre, but this is what's documented.
00:35:54.000That triggered Coca-Cola Corporation to complain to the Global Alliance for Responsible Media, which is created by the World Economic Forum.
00:36:04.000It's one of these global aggregators that controls advertising.
00:36:09.000The Global Alliance for Responsible Media, which, by the way, had a dust up with Elon Musk and lost, and they closed it down as a nonprofit.
00:36:18.000It still exists in other ways, but as a structure that could be sued by X, it disappeared when he stood up against it.
00:36:29.000But Global Alliance for Responsible Media had a socket with Google AdSense, by the way.
00:36:36.000So they control the advertising ecosystem, which kind of matters to Spotify.
00:36:42.000So Coca-Cola complains to Garm, saying, this guy, Rogan, you got to shut him down.
00:37:19.000And then they went after you with this mashup of N-word historic events.
00:37:28.000There was clearly a concerted effort to take out Joe Rogan, much more than to take out Robert Malone.
00:37:36.000And so then the question comes: why the heck would Coca-Cola be the socket with the Global Alliance for Responsible, one of the biggest advertisers in the world, right?
00:37:47.000Why would Coca-Cola give a hooey about what Jogen Rogan said to Robert Malone on New Year's Eve?
00:37:58.000Coca-Cola is really tight with the CDC.
00:38:02.000Coca-Cola has funded buildings at the CDC.
00:38:06.000Coca-Cola funds the CDC Foundation, Foundation for the CDC, as does Bill and Melinda Gates, as done all the major vaccine manufacturers, et cetera, et cetera.
00:38:16.000The appearance is, I can't verify this, that CDC acted through its ally, Coca-Cola.
00:39:11.000The CDC, Coca-Cola didn't want the CDC to influence public health policy to avoid global positions on the risks associated with sugar intake because it would potentially hurt their market share.
00:39:32.000So that little ecosystem that I just described illustrates what we're dealing with here and the many ways that all of this kind of influence and messaging and signaling happens in this kind of integrated horizontally and vertically ecosystem that we live in right now.
00:39:54.000And one of the things that came out of that, you'll recall, was that you were asked, as I recall, you gave this, you know, I've had a hostage video.
00:40:03.000I think that was close to a hostage video from you back in the day when you were saying, this is what I'm going to do.
00:40:10.000It was like out on your porch or something.
00:40:13.000I remember, I was sitting around a campfire in Maui, quite literally, when somebody said, no, did you just see this from Rogan?
00:40:20.000And a matter of fact, I was sitting around Gavin DeBecker's campfire at that time, somebody that you know.
00:40:26.000And so the compromise was that there would be a little trailer put at the bottom of that episode.
00:40:34.000And by the way, you probably know that episode for a long time became very hard to find.
00:40:40.000It was basically blacklisted from the search engines, et cetera, et cetera.
00:40:44.000But it carries, and I think it still does, that little banner that says, you know, you should go to the CDC if you want the true, true about COVID.
00:40:52.000And you can still find those kinds of banners popping up all the time on YouTube.
00:40:59.000If you talk about vaccines or COVID vaccines, that will get, if you pass the filters, if YouTube will allow that to still be up because you didn't say something, whatever it is, then you'll get the little banner.
00:41:13.000That banner is pushed out by the nudge units at the CDC.
00:41:21.000It is all around us all the time, and it's basically still public policy consequent to the old Obama presidential directive that still hasn't been rescinded.
00:41:41.000I just mentioned our friend Gavin DeBecker referred to Trump the other day when I saw Gavin in Maui as a once-in-500-year leader.
00:41:51.000And that's not nothing coming from Gavin.
00:41:55.000And so I'm a big supporter, but the president has still left in place this mechanism that exists that directs the federal government to use nudge technology and related what I assert is psychological warfare technology on the American populace.
00:42:15.000This is from back in, what was it, 2015 or something like that?
00:42:23.000And then you had his, you had Obama's subsequent, like the notorious speech at Hoover at Stanford, where he talks about in order to preserve democracy, we're going to have, basically, he says we're going to have to have censorship in order to preserve democracy or whatever democracy.
00:42:41.000For people that don't know what we're talking about, we're relating to the Smith-Munt act.
00:42:44.000The Smith-Munt, everybody focuses on Smith-Munt.
00:42:49.000But as I examined Smith-Munt, and we did an essay on this in the Substack, you know, like three years ago, because that was the kind of the narrative that was coming out in, let's say, our side of alternative media.
00:43:03.000And in my examination, Smith-Munt's impact is a lot more limited.
00:43:08.000Has to do with Voice of America and some of those things.
00:43:11.000The broad impact wasn't quite, in my opinion, what was believed to be of enabling propaganda domestically.
00:43:20.000More specifically, there is a presidential directive that nudge technology, that established a nudge office that nudge technology shall be used.
00:43:33.000They don't call it a nudge office, right?
00:43:36.000They've gone through various iterations, and I'm sorry I don't have the latest version.
00:43:40.000And it's kind of become decentralized.
00:43:42.000It's called the Social and Behavioral Science Team.
00:43:45.000Wikipedia says that that was stopped in 2017 but continued under the Trump administration under the General Services Administration's Office of Evaluation Design.
00:44:58.000So this is, like I said, if I can illustrate, I was on a Great Britain News broadcast about four years ago at the time when they would, you know, there was a window time where they would have me on, but it was sketchy.
00:45:16.000And GB News was the only one that would do it.
00:45:20.000But the rules were then that if you were going to have somebody that was speaking against the government narrative, then you had to have somebody representing the government's interests in the same broadcast.
00:45:31.000So that's implemented by, basically, the UK has an active censorship organization that controls news media.
00:45:40.000And so I'm on with this guy, Great Britain News, Pinstripe, Bowtie, you know, it just reeks.
00:45:48.000And I'm talking about psychological warfare and the 77th Brigade, which is part of the British Army, which is their psychological warfare unit.
00:45:59.000It's very open that that's the case, as is the existence of a civilian branch that they set up and paid people to do social media in opposition of counter-narratives that the government didn't approve of.
00:46:19.000I mean, now they just, under Starmer, they just censor you and send you to jail.
00:46:33.000And that's that, the guy says, yeah, but here in the UK, our belief is that if the government wins the election, they have the right to govern.
00:46:44.000And that right to govern includes our ability to use this type of technology, and we believe that it's justified to do so.
00:46:52.000And that, when that conversation happened, frankly, we hadn't launched the book yet, Cywar, which is our most recent publication.
00:47:03.000And it just kind of all coalesced in my mind that, oh my God, what all these things, Matias' teaching about mass formation, what I saw, what I experienced with you, what I experienced with the concerted attacks of the media.
00:47:18.000And then subsequently, it's been validated by this congressional report that talks about, for instance, the juror ticket system.
00:47:25.000Jura tickets are what it's a system that all the software companies use to track glitches and complaints and stuff like that.
00:47:35.000Well, the government had their own juror ticket system set up to log information about activities of persons that they wanted to have censored and suppressed.
00:47:48.000And they would build these juror tickets with information.
00:47:51.000And so one of the things that's out on the congressional report was that I actually had a juror ticket.
00:47:55.000I was surprised that this is the case.
00:48:47.000Or it'll talk around the issue, et cetera, et cetera.
00:48:50.000You can identify these things that have been built in algorithmically.
00:48:54.000And of course, then we had all of the disclosures, the Zuckerberg, oh, I'm so sorry, apology tour that happened, remember, when basically he got outed by Congress, and the rest of the tech bros.
00:49:09.000And of course, the thing that catalyzed all of that was that Elon decided to pony up a good chunk of change and buy Twitter.
00:49:18.000Which I think is one of the most impactful decisions that any American citizen has ever made.
00:49:31.000How can you debate it when you look at the Twitter files and you find out how much the government was involved in censoring accurate information from legitimate professors, esteemed researchers, anybody who didn't go along with the official narrative?
00:49:47.000And we're dealing – now the lovely thing about all of this.
00:49:51.000I mean let's try to – it is morning in America in my opinion.
00:49:56.000I mean a lot of people get very dark and there's a darkness to the times.
00:50:02.000But there's – not to push the metaphor too far but there is new light coming in and the fact that we can now see this and we recognize that – you and I are of a similar generation.
00:50:19.000I mean one of my earliest memories was the assassination of the president.
00:50:23.000And all of the propaganda around that, the propaganda around Vietnam War, ever since, we've just been swimming in information control that's gotten increasingly sophisticated.
00:50:35.000And fortunately as Americans, we also kind of have become more and more immune to marketing and propaganda over time because we've been living with it, trying to discern what is real and what is false.
00:50:51.000Again, this is – it's a core part of what you do for a living I think is just try to have conversations to be able to get to the bottom of the bullshit.
00:51:03.000But that – we've been swimming in it and now we can see it.
00:51:08.000We can see the structures, you know, the power of artificial intelligence and influence mapping and all the things that are going on in the internet right now that are the cutting-edge technology.
00:51:23.000They're scary because they can be weaponized against us but they're also super cool because we can now see those relationships.
00:51:32.000If you want an example of that, look at the threads that are coming out on X, illuminating the networks of affiliation associated with this latest Epstein file release.
00:51:59.000But still the impact of that information, we're still getting to the bottom of it.
00:52:09.000It's completely changed most people's narrative of what happened.
00:52:12.000Like we had this sort of vague understanding, you know, but when you see in the email like clear evidence that they're talking about children.
00:53:10.000I'm somebody who was raised a Christian and went to Bible school and that kind of stuff as a kid and youth groups and then growing up in central coast of California, let's say, veered in different ways.
00:53:28.000But the experiences that we've encountered over the last half a dozen years, it's hard to come up with a language to express what we're observing in the world other than the language of theology.
00:53:48.000So whether or not demons exist, if they did exist, that is how they would behave.
00:53:53.000They would prey on children and torture children.
00:53:56.000And there was the one where there was a suggestion where a child was praying to Jesus that like there was a joke that someone should dress up like Jesus.
00:55:43.000It involves leaders in academe, in science, in industry, in politics.
00:55:53.000And it just, you know, I remember a point in this arc of the last six years where a film crew came on to my farm and wanted to shoot some segments.
00:56:07.000And they were talking this, and frankly, I thought it was crazy talk.
00:56:11.000I kind of smiled and, you know, tried to be civil and nice, not contradict them, about the new world order.
00:56:27.000And then along comes, you know, then my wife one day says, hey, you ought to look at this book from Klaus Schwab.
00:56:52.000And it goes back to the current king of England was the guy that kind of launched that.
00:56:57.000He was the first one to be really talking about that you can use your favorite AI and track it down yourself.
00:57:05.000I prefer not to use Google these days to try to find stuff.
00:57:09.000But we see vertical after vertical after vertical after vertical where information has been crafted and manipulated.
00:57:20.000And the same tools of delegitimization, of promotion of these messages that you are a conspiracy theorist or that you are controlled opposition is another favorite one.
00:57:42.000A lot of this was pioneered in the 60s by the FBI against the various protest movements and you can go back and track that.
00:57:49.000The narrative of being a collaborator surreptitiously is called bad jacketing and it has its own language and protocols for how to do this to people, to divide movements.
00:58:11.000We're in this – I mean in a way, it's kind of a glorious moment where we're having a huge amount of social pressures coming together in this moment in time that you and I happen to live in.
00:58:32.000To be at a – to be at a point in time where there is so much change, there's so much social interaction and pressure and competition between these different philosophies and we're swimming in it.
00:58:48.000As somebody writes on a daily basis these essays on Substack because that's how I make my living now because I can't do what I used to do.
00:58:57.000It's – you're a kid in a candy shop.
00:59:02.000There's so much falsehood being promoted.
00:59:06.000There's so much of this manipulation of reality.
00:59:13.000And so if you're in the business of trying to help people to make sense out of that, which is kind of what I do now for a living, it's – I wake up every morning.
00:59:35.000I mean the ivermectin story is still ongoing.
00:59:39.000There was an announcement the other day from HHS that they are launching new initiatives to investigate the use of ivermectin in cancer.
00:59:48.000And there was immediate blowback along the lines of oncologists are outraged.
00:59:55.000You know, the narrative is Bobby – you know, not saying this explicitly but basically Bobby Kennedy is at it once again promoting falsehoods and conspiracy theories.
01:00:05.000And it's going to – you know, we're all going to die because scientists are going to investigate the use of ivermectin and other drugs for cancer.
01:00:15.000So this is the core question and this is one of the things that puzzled me to no end.
01:00:20.000I understood that they were upset that I had gotten better without the use of the vaccine, that I was a popular person, that I was a famous person and I made a video about a canceled show.
01:00:35.000Dave Chappelle and I were supposed to do a show and I made that video to let everyone know that I couldn't do the show because I got COVID.
01:00:42.000I had no idea it was going to be even controversial.
01:00:47.000But I listed a bunch of things that I took.
01:02:39.000But they were actually effective in shutting down the Z-Pak, the use of hydroxychloroquine.
01:02:48.000And hydroxychloroquine has a fascinating story.
01:02:51.000When you mention Z-Pak, you're talking about Zev Zelenko.
01:02:54.000And Zev was the one that wrote the letter to the president saying, hey, here's this data and this information about this drug that is off patent.
01:03:06.000We have a huge portfolio of experience in using it.
01:03:26.000Ralph Baric had published that back years ago when he's kind of the guru of coronaviruses.
01:03:34.000And a good case can be made that he had his fingers all over the engineering of this particular virus.
01:03:41.000So he had published that this drug was effective against coronaviruses.
01:03:48.000And Zev Zelenko, who's passed away now, got engaged in trying to find some way to help his patients in New York with recovering from COVID and treating COVID.
01:04:05.000And he went back, did a deep dive into Baric's work, pulled out this drug, hydroxychloroquine that had been recommended, wrote to the president about it.
01:04:32.000But he was the one that pulled it out, sent the letter to the president with his clinical experience.
01:04:42.000President tasked Peter Navarro with sourcing the drug.
01:04:47.000And Peter, an economist, went to town.
01:04:50.000I remember the company I was working with, Alchem at the time, getting a call from Peter.
01:04:55.000Can you come up with some way to make more of this drug here domestically?
01:04:58.000We want to source it so we have enough doses for everybody.
01:05:01.000And then I think it was Lancet published this paper that had totally made up data that trashed the drug, said that it's toxic, doesn't work, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
01:05:17.000They pulled the paper when it became revealed that it was based on nonexistent data, that it was more propaganda published in one of the top medical journals in the United States.
01:05:25.000But by that time, it was completely crushed.
01:05:28.000So they didn't have to go after Z-Stack.
01:05:34.000Ivermectin, though, that was a new threat.
01:05:36.000And one of the reasons why it was a threat was there was a meta-analysis that had been done at the Cochrane.
01:05:43.000So the Cochrane Institute in the U.K. is like, you know, the holy grail for analysis of drugs and biologics and this process of meta-analysis.
01:05:58.000They kind of wrote the rules for how to do it.
01:06:01.000And they had done an analysis that showed that ivermectin was quite effective.
01:06:06.000And then something happened and there was some influence exerted.
01:06:15.000And suddenly that meta-analysis got quenched.
01:07:39.000Now, I was involved as an observer on behalf of DITRA to the active trials that were going on under the Foundation for NIH, which is sponsored in a significant way by Merck.
01:07:53.000And which is now headed up by the former head of Merck Vaccines, Julie Gerberding.
01:08:01.000And they were running these clinical trials, including the clinical trial that essentially by tweaking the dosing, et cetera, made it so that they came up with a result suggesting that ivermectin is not effective.
01:08:15.000There was a whole lot of manipulation in the why part.
01:08:19.000Still, the best explanation I've heard is that it had a lot to do with the risk that if there was an effective countermeasure,
01:08:32.000then the utilization of the PrEP Act and the emergency countermeasures to process to enable fast-tracking of these vaccines using this new technology.
01:08:52.000Would no longer be valid because those are the rules is if there's an existing countermeasure, then you can't implement those clauses.
01:09:03.000So it's all about emergency use authorization.
01:09:05.000It's the – I don't know that that's the case.
01:09:14.000And all that propaganda, regardless of how much exposed them and exposed their methods, they made hundreds of billions of dollars.
01:09:24.000Well, and that – the ugliest part of all of this, I mean people – the big, big picture when I talk to people that are still kind of on the fence trying to make sense out of it.
01:09:38.000You know, there's still a lot of those folks out there.
01:09:40.000The thing that kind of gets into their brain is the greatest upward transfer of wealth in modern history occurred during COVID.
01:09:59.000Lockdowns, all the – what was done to small businesses, what was done to the economy, the stimulus packages, they're still digging out of all of that fraud.
01:10:11.000It – you know, in retrospect, for average folks that are just trying to put food on the table and pay their rent, to look at in retrospect what was, you know, quite literally done to them.
01:10:31.000The middle class was hollowed out in – like on hyperspeed.
01:10:36.000This – so yeah, I'm still pissed off about this.
01:10:42.000The thing is not enough people are and so many people let it go.
01:10:47.000And part of the reason why not enough people are pissed off about it is because they took the vaccine and they want to justify their decision.
01:10:56.000And you will talk to a lot of people that make this blanket claim the vaccine saved millions of lives and they'll just say that.
01:11:04.000Yeah, because that's the propaganda along with safe and effective.
01:11:08.000That was a promoted narrative and that was – by the way, the rationale given by the Nobel Prize Committee to award to Carrico and Weissman was that these products, which they had – the thesis is they had been playing the central role.
01:11:23.000I think Peter Kolas is the one that should have got it.
01:11:25.000If you're going to give it for – if you're going to give it for these vaccines, it was Peter Kolas and his team at UBC that really was the enabling tech.
01:11:33.000But be that as it may, the decision is made and the committee said basically millions of lives have been saved and by giving this Nobel at this time, we are – we hope that it will promote more people to accept this product.
01:11:50.000That was explicitly the logic given at the time and that reflects what was really a thrust vector.
01:11:59.000Joe, I've – you know, it's – what a bizarre world since we met.
01:12:04.000And so I've been sucked into – to call it the center-right of Europe is a little bit of a misnomer because they're all socialists as far as I'm concerned, Georgia Maloney and everybody else.
01:12:16.000But, you know, compared to the far left, they're labeled as neo-Nazis.
01:12:21.000But I've been traveling to Europe, interacting with these people.
01:12:28.000The European Union and the UK and the Canada were an order of magnitude worse.
01:12:33.000That we should be so grateful that we live in this country at this time and that we still have something like a functioning constitution with the First and Second Amendment.
01:12:47.000Look at the poor suckers in Australia and New Zealand.
01:12:52.000You know, remind yourself it could be a heck of a lot worse here and it has been a heck of a lot worse in Europe.
01:13:00.000I've got buddies in Romania in the leading alternative party, you know, calling it center-right, let's say, but that, you know, recently – I think it was the vice president that came out and said specifically that that last election was stolen.
01:13:21.000Georgescu, they tried to put in jail and the logic was that – I think it was TikTok supporting his campaign had been sponsored by the Russians.
01:13:29.000It was the same game that they played against Trump of Russian collusion.
01:13:36.000They played that same book in Romania successfully.
01:13:40.000But in the European Union environment under the European Council, they don't – you know, they ain't got a constitution.
01:13:48.000And they can just step right in and throw you in jail, inactivate your candidacy, do whatever if you represent a populist threat to the existing structure.
01:16:08.000Tomorrow, Friday, February 13th, what could possibly go wrong?
01:16:15.000Hopefully my plane flight out of here works OK.
01:16:18.000And they don't have a drone attack or something, right?
01:16:22.000So tomorrow there's a lawsuit filed on behalf of the American Academy of Pediatrics that seeks to shut down the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices and the changes that Bobby has implemented there.
01:16:40.000And force all of that to go back to the way things were when it was functionally controlled by the professional societies and particularly the American Academy of Pediatrics.
01:16:50.000They – we talk about this, you know, propaganda and weaponization and lawfare and those things.
01:17:00.000And we talk about it as if it only happened in the last administration.
01:17:57.000We're seeing a transformation in America's global reach, totally restructuring global politics and on the health side, the Make America Healthy Again movement.
01:18:08.000You know, there's some pushback against that and a heck of a lot of propaganda being deployed against it.
01:18:13.000Well, it's this old quote that seems sort of abstract for most people most of the time but rings kind of true.
01:18:21.000But you're finding it true more and more.
01:19:12.000But also captured by their past actions and constantly trying to obfuscate from all the things that they have done in the past that could be – like if you just went into Bill Gates' stuff that he did in Africa.
01:20:32.000But if you were a politician or you were some megalomaniacal billionaire sort of business character that just wants to dominate and was involved in a bunch of antitrust lawsuits in the past, that would be what you – Not that we're naming any names.
01:21:17.000And you can't control – like one of the things that did happen during COVID is these places like CNN, people stopped going to for information.
01:23:17.000It's – and when I – this – again, this has been part of my journey.
01:23:21.000When I realized what I was experiencing and what it meant to come on your show and have that event occur, which, by the way, blew up my subscribers on Substack.
01:24:33.000Those males don't have anybody in mainstream news that represents anything that resembles them.
01:24:39.000I mean, I know I'm much older than them, but I never went down this path of decay and weirdness that a lot of adult males go into corporate business and industry and they become something unrecognizable to these young men who have freedom in life and they're being suppressed and they're being told that they're toxic.
01:29:59.000And so we have a lot of subscribers but we just have this core paid subscribers and they send in their five bucks a month and it's all we need and it totally sets us free.
01:30:14.000We can talk about whatever we want and yeah, now that I'm a pseudo-government employee, I'm a special government employee without pay.
01:30:23.000Boy, that's like the worst of both worlds because there's – I have – the truth is I have guardrails that constrain me in a way that I didn't used to be constrained for talking about some things.
01:30:39.000You know, I have to live in this world.
01:30:43.000I interface with the secretary and with the deputy chief of staff and other people and now I'm working with the State Department more.
01:30:52.000And so, you know, I have to – I have to be more mindful.
01:31:28.000And because I serve on the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices of the CDC, which is this – they call it – it's a FACA committee, Federal Advisory Committee Act, that advises the director of the CDC – that's its only job – on vaccine policy, OK?
01:31:45.000So I'm the vice chair, which is largely honorary.
01:31:48.000What that means is that if the chair isn't there, I draw the short straw and I have to chair those bloody meetings, like the last one for hepatitis B, birth dose, which was just a slugfest, ugly.
01:32:02.000The worst meeting I've ever had to adjudicate in my entire life.
01:32:07.000But for the most part, I sit on these subcommittees.
01:32:11.000I sit on the COVID working group subcommittee.
01:32:14.000I'm not supposed to talk about the next meeting.
01:32:52.000I once got a phone call on the Big Island.
01:32:56.000I did this recent series of rallies to try to – to recap the whole reason why that we did that first hit was to try to publicize the Stop the Mandates rally in D.C.
01:33:10.000That was the subtext for that, as you'll recall.
01:33:25.000I'm going to another one of these rallies.
01:33:27.000I get a call out of the blue from one of Bobby's people.
01:33:29.000And they want some advice about a topic having to do with the decision he has to make about spending money on another biodefense initiative.
01:33:42.000He called me soon after he was confirmed to get my opinion about what was going on in the chicken industry and all the slaughter that was happening for bird flu.
01:33:53.000And I told him this doesn't make sense.
01:35:00.000And there was a bunch of dead hogs last November around this facility.
01:35:05.000And now it's the Spanish and the European Union are blowing a circuit over this because it's really compromised the Spanish pork industry.
01:35:18.000So this kind of stuff, when this happens, the reaction is we just have to kill all of them.
01:35:27.000We have to kill all the potential carriers.
01:35:30.000And this has been the wisdom, quote, in this kind of agrarian animal husbandry world for a long time in the context in particular of factory farming.
01:35:48.000So the logic is that if you were to vaccinate these birds with a leaky vaccine, which COVID was a leaky vaccine, influenza is a leaky vaccine.
01:36:01.000If you give the birds a leaky vaccine, what you'll get out of that is precisely vaccine-resistant flu.
01:36:08.000And so we have no choice, has been the logic, but to exterminate – like the ostriches in Canada, remember that story?
01:36:23.000It's become entrenched as policy, as kind of this reflexive knee-jerk thing that if we have an outbreak, what we do is we kill because we can't control the virus.
01:36:33.000And the things that we could do to control the virus aren't really going to control it and it's actually going to make things worse.
01:36:46.000But when you got something that – if you had something that didn't have a natural reservoir, then you can make the case that you could eliminate it in that geographic population and keep it from spreading outside.
01:37:03.000But when you have a natural reservoir like – Explain that.
01:37:09.000In the case of avian influenza, waterfowl and migratory birds are amazing vectors for carrying and propagating influenza.
01:37:24.000And influenza survives in water for a very long period of time.
01:37:28.000And so you've got ducks and geese traveling north to south all over every continent that are susceptible to infection by avian influenza and all the other migratory birds.
01:37:44.000But in particular, the waterfowl, galiforms.
01:37:48.000My wife would wrap me on the head if I didn't use the right term.
01:38:51.000Well, Mao tried to exterminate the birds because of the thesis that they were eating up all the spare grain and compromising availability of food to the populace, right?
01:39:41.000Yeah, there's chickens and then there's commercial chicken production, right?
01:39:46.000So these operations are like petri dishes for bad stuff happening.
01:39:51.000And the only way you can interfere with that – and by the way, the Amish are starting to do it – is put something in the water supply.
01:39:58.000And what the Amish are using is a compound called hypochlorous acid and it's stopping these things and it's stopping the E. coli and a lot of other stuff.
01:40:08.000But the U.S. – that's another problem is, you know, when you have these – the momentum of these large government agencies with their consensus about the way things are done.
01:40:22.000You know, there's a saying that the only time the FDA ever changes is if somebody in a key position retires or passes away.
01:40:32.000They kind of get entrenched in this is how we do things.
01:40:38.000If we have avian influenza come out, we kill chicken barns.
01:40:41.000And this is the beauty of Secretary Kennedy coming in, being kind of not invested in the way things are and the way we do things and being willing to ask the questions, does this really make sense?
01:41:01.000It obviously is still heresy to do that, to ask those questions, to, you know, have the president say we need to restructure the vaccine schedule.
01:42:32.000And that is essentially the position that the secretary took is this policy of just extremely aggressive mass culling is not producing the outcome that we want.
01:42:46.000It has never produced the outcome that we want.
01:42:48.000It will never eliminate bird flu because it has an endemic reservoir.
01:42:55.000And now that's starting to percolate through the system and there is more research into alternative strategies including the possibility of various prophylactic interventions in feed and in water.
01:43:12.000That's – you know, and a lot of these chicken houses mist.
01:43:15.000As you recall, they have the misters because they've got to control the temperatures.
01:43:18.000So they are set up with misters and that can also be a way to deliver things that are non-toxic like HOCL that can knock out these viruses and E. coli and other things that cause reduced growth and loss of weight in chickens, which is the metric that Tysons and those guys is food conversion.
01:43:46.000You know, there's different – we can think differently and we have been locked into, you know, consensus that has emerged over decades based on old ways of thinking.
01:44:00.000And the same people are in charge so they don't want to change.
01:44:04.000And they kind of – often kind of have these lineages where they're passing power on to the people that they've mentored.
01:44:12.000So that's my HHS world and then the State Department world is a new thing that's come in.
01:44:18.000I have a – I'm starting to support the group under Secretary Rubio that's responsible for the various treaties having to do with arms containment and in particular the bioweapons convention.
01:44:37.000So this morning I got up early and there was – so honest to God, I don't want to pump you up too much.
01:44:46.000I mean you might get an ego or something.
01:44:48.000But so I say to the state – they say, Robert, we want you to go to Geneva to give this talk on the use of AI for monitoring bioweapons threats because we have no way of monitoring compliance with the bioweapons convention right now.
01:45:04.000And it's been a historic problem and the president has said that we're going to – we think that we can apply artificial intelligence to this problem set of monitoring and verifying compliance with the bioweapons convention, which is heresy.
01:45:21.000It's another one of these thinking outside of the box things.
01:45:23.000So they say, we want you to go to Geneva and give this talk and be the keynote.
01:47:34.000So this highly lethal African swine fever virus is a threat to the global pork industry.
01:47:46.000And so this laboratory in Spain is cooperating with the USDA to try to develop a new vaccine for African swine fever.
01:47:58.000And in doing so, our government once again was unaware that this even existed, there's a cooperative agreement between USDA and this laboratory to engage in – if you read, they don't call it gain-of-function research.
01:48:16.000They call it building recombinant viruses and experimenting in different virus structures to allow them to better – build a better vaccine.
01:48:28.000Exactly the same logic that was used in Wuhan, OK?
01:48:32.000Now, then last November – so this is ongoing in this little laboratory.
01:48:39.000And what this relates to, Joe, is the idea that is being promoted that for justice and equity and sharing, we need to enable there being distribution of highly infectious pathogens all over the world in separate laboratories so that we in the big bad West are not imposing and enabling our industries to prey on,
01:49:06.000name your emerging economy, by taking biologic resources from them.
01:49:14.000And using them to build stuff, we have to cooperate and they have to have access to these reagents.
01:49:20.000So the logic right now that's in play and being promoted by the WHO is that we should have high pathogen repositories and research programs all over the world, decentralized in these emerging economy states.
01:50:42.000So they start investigating the police have been in, grabbed the records, grabbed the digital information, et cetera, because the entire Spanish pork industry is now compromised.
01:50:56.000Their major client, China, has already pulled their trade barriers.
01:51:01.000No more Spanish pork going into China.
01:51:04.000I advocate that President Trump ought to drop the curtain right now because when I looked at the distribution of wild hogs, I mean, you've traveled enough.
01:51:13.000You know how important wild feral hogs are in the economy in Italy.
01:51:25.000And this place in Catalonia is right near the French border.
01:51:29.000I don't – and then like right on the other side, a couple hundred miles is Italy and the band of high-density wild hogs spreads like that up through the mountains and then down into Italy.
01:51:43.000And I think that if I was sitting in the White House right now, I think to protect, you know, both for the president, core constituency is ag.
01:53:47.000So the former assistant director general of the WHO, who I knew, this was her claim to fame, was she had led the development of rabies baits, and they would bait with a rabies vaccine to try to control the incidence of rabies in particularly foxes was the problem throughout Europe,
01:54:13.000and a lot of the foxes were crossing from the less developed part of the European Union into France, which was not acceptable.
01:54:26.000And so what they did is they developed these baits with a vaccine and they would distribute them out of helicopters.
01:54:35.000And there's a whole science about how dense the baits have to be to get immunity against rabies in fox populations, a whole science around it.
01:55:44.000That's the, there's one of the dark themes about COVID was that they wanted to promote the spread of COVID in order to sell the vaccines and blah, blah, blah.
01:55:54.000And so in this case, well, they want to spread African swine fever because somehow they're going to profit from that while destroying their pork industry.
01:56:03.000You know, but this is, this is the armchair strategists on the internet.
01:56:08.000But that has it gotten into the domestic pork market?
01:56:15.000Not to my knowledge yet, but I have this interesting colleague that I work with closely at the ACIP named Retsif Levy, who's the chair of the COVID working group and has giving the pharmaceutical industry a run for their money right now.
01:56:28.000And it's, of course, being vilified by the press, et cetera.
01:56:34.000And Retsif is a full professor at MIT and his core competence is risk analysis and mitigation.
01:56:44.000And he's, he, he reads my sub stack because we're friends.
01:56:49.000He doesn't subscribe, I'm pretty sure, but he reads it.
01:56:54.000And so he, we're talking and he says, yeah, I read that thing that you put out about that virus.
01:57:01.000And he said, I wrote a proposal years ago about risk mitigation and the need to do something about that because of it, the ease by which it can enter the domestic pork population.
01:57:14.000So I infer from that, that there is a whole body of science and logic about, and he said, it's, it's, it's very readily transmitted into commercial pork, which is why the Chinese have already dropped, you know, dropped the curtain and said, no, we're not going to allow any of that into our, into China because of the risk.
01:57:37.000So I wrote an essay about low risk, high impact events, which is what we're talking about.
01:57:48.000Another example of a low risk, high impact event is gene drive technology that Gates is promoting to exterminate the mosquitoes, for example, you know, gene drive technology can be used to exterminate a species, particularly ones that have a high reproductive rate.
01:58:05.000And, uh, you know, it's another one that is a CRISPR application.
01:58:09.000Uh, but there's a whole school of thought that gene drive tech should never be let out of the box into the environment because in, in the, what's, you know, there are those that are actively promoting its use, uh, and, uh, to eliminate bad stuff.
01:58:32.000And, uh, you know, we're all for eliminating bad stuff, uh, um, uh, you know, organisms, insects, worms, flies, stuff, uh, and yet it, and, and we can do experiments where we say, oh, we'll cultivate this kind of fly together with that kind of fly.
01:58:53.000And only these flies are going to have gene drive.
01:58:55.000And we're going to look for whether or not it gets over to these flies.
01:58:57.000And if it doesn't, then we can conclude that it's unlikely, but as Brett would tell you, um, we're dealing with ecosystems here, really complex ecosystems and the, the risk environment now that I think grownups have to acknowledge coming out of COVID, you know, the big lessons we can, we can, we can talk about these egregious things that we've all experienced that have been put on us.
01:59:24.000But the big picture is this thing came out and I'm convinced it was engineered.
01:59:31.000I'm, I, I believe the most likely hypothesis is not that it was intentionally released.
01:59:36.000I still think that's a possibility, but that it was an unintentional, uh, release, uh, an infection of, of a lab worker or something like that, that let it get out.
01:59:47.000Cause that's what happens again and again in these facilities.
01:59:49.000Uh, the, these low probability events can have extremely high impacts and as we've seen global impacts and we have to rethink how we're managing risk, which is, as I mentioned, RETSF's kind of core competence.
02:00:10.000And, and, and that logic runs up against this belief that, well, it hasn't happened so far and I'm an expert and I have the right to play around in this, in this sandbox that I've helped develop.
02:00:30.000I'm the expert in this space and, uh, to come into that environment and say, look guys, you're playing around with stuff that could have a very high impact, even though it hasn't happened yet.
02:00:43.000And you got to, to rethink, uh, what is acceptable.
02:00:50.000And, and I think that, that, you know, we were talking a moment about the state department and, uh, um, uh, weapon control.
02:00:59.000We're now in an environment where the speed of, of, um, growth of the power of biotechnology is accelerating.
02:01:11.000It's going exponential, just like what we saw with semiconductors and, uh, our bioethics, our regulatory structures, our, our way of thinking about those risks.
02:01:28.000Is completely unable, unable to keep up with the pace of the advance.
02:01:36.000And that is creating, uh, a whole new threat scene, not to scare people.
02:01:42.000I mean, I, I, as I was thinking about coming on here, I was saying to myself, okay, Robert, just take a deep breath.
02:01:52.000And I, I don't want to go dark and just scare people, but we've got to take a deep breath.
02:01:57.000Hey, um, we got to recognize that, uh, this is a different world now.
02:02:05.000We have all of this digital tech and, and what it means and information control and, and suppression and manipulation psychologically, uh, basically programming, customized programming, uh, through avatars and all of this power.
02:02:26.000But we also have in parallel, uh, this world of rapidly advancing biotechnology that is, you know, for, for the likes of Yuval Harari and those that are imagining a future of transhumanism,
02:02:44.000uh, uh, and all of that means, uh, we're, we are moving very rapidly into a world, uh, that we can hardly even process.
02:02:59.000One of the big thrust vectors in Silicon Valley right now relating to reproductive rights has to do with the development of artificial wombs.
02:03:07.000You know, these, these wealthy, um, privileged people don't want to carry their own babies.
02:03:15.000And I guess surrogates are too cumbersome or risky.
02:03:19.000So they're really talking about it's not talking.
02:04:08.000You're, who knows what kind of humans you're going to develop with no interaction with the mother at all, the entire nine months where they're developing, the exchange of hormones.
02:04:48.000Which I think is like the only print newspaper left in the United States that's worth reading that ascribes to classical journalism.
02:04:55.000But he's just come out with a book about organ harvesting in China and organ harvesting on demand, documenting that they are using live prisoners and keeping them in compounds and testing them for their genetic background and characteristics, and then harvesting them when necessary to provide organs for transplantation, largely to Westerners, because it is enormously profitable.
02:05:23.000This is what all this brouhaha was about the open mic event with Putin, about, uh, we can use transplantation to let us live another hundred years that remember that little clip.
02:05:33.000So that this, in, in a world in which we can have artificial wombs, um, we can grow our own clones to provide donor tissue, to buy, provide an insurance policy.
02:06:39.000And once you have that in the, in a world of CRISPR, okay, you can do genetic modification of a very small number of cells and then grow a fetus from that.
02:06:59.000If you want to understand our brave new world, the one that's really coming at us and the ethical conundrums associated with that, watch Gattaca.
02:07:09.000And by the way, it has great production value too, doesn't it?
02:07:41.000Who doesn't want to have a child that's better than, that's like you, but better, stronger, bigger, you know, smarter, better vision.
02:07:51.000Get rid of all the problems that I've got, right?
02:07:53.000Or you've got, or whomever, you know, and, and in your, in your next offspring and all you got to do, because here's another fun fact.
02:08:01.000At bulk, whole genome sequencing is now about 300 bucks.
02:08:07.000Whole genome sequencing is the, is the portal for selective engineering with, with Cas9 CRISPR systems.
02:08:18.000So we're, we now, we're right on the threshold of that entire spectrum of capability of manipulating animals, life, fundamentals of life in every species and humans.
02:08:32.000And concurrently, we have the incoming vector of robotics technology and modern computational advance.
02:10:08.000Early stage neural development is amazing and profound.
02:10:12.000By the way, this looks back to the vaccine story.
02:10:15.000When we're, when we're doing all these jabs and these little tiny kids like hepatitis B birthdose, they are at a stage where this thing is just growing like crazy.
02:10:24.000And so is their liver and everything else.
02:10:26.000And you're injecting toxic chemicals into their body.
02:10:29.000Which you, which you really haven't characterized well.
02:10:38.000This is another thing that the secretary is adamant about and that the president has led on.
02:10:44.000Well, the, the, having them exempt from any legal ramifications of the adverse side effects of vaccines, what they did during the Reagan administration, it's really, it gave them this.
02:11:07.000So if you want to go down that rabbit hole, it's even worse.
02:11:12.000Once functionally, because of how difficult it is to prove an endpoint and get a vaccine licensed, once you get it licensed, you basically have a cash cow in perpetuity.
02:11:23.000And if you get it down on the pediatric schedule, in other words, you manage to jam it through the ACIP.
02:11:30.000Because the ACIP, the wisdom of Congress, is vested with the authority of authorizing the vaccines for children program acquisitions.
02:11:40.000So if the, there's no other program in the entire U.S. States, United States government that is outside of congressional oversight.
02:11:48.000The ACIP can decide that this vaccine needs to be purchased for the vaccines for children program.
02:11:55.000And historically, because the ACIP has been captured by pharma and by the CDC itself and by academia, those decisions, they never go backwards.
02:12:07.000And so you get the product down onto the VFC, the Vaccine for Children program, and the pediatric schedule.
02:12:14.000And then that triggers the indemnification clause that you're talking about, which, by the way, is different from the one that kicked in with the COVID situation with the PrEP Act.
02:12:57.000That means the CDC can advise that this is the vaccine schedule.
02:13:01.000And many states, because they don't have the infrastructure to actually process what's going on, they say, well, if the CDC advises it, then we're going to mandate it.
02:13:12.000And so you end up in this situation where you, as the manufacturer, get your product on the market, you get it down into this special program, you got guaranteed purchase, guaranteed profit, full indemnification, marketing, purchase, distribution, all paid for by the taxpayer.
02:14:16.000And once you get it by thinking through the vaccine story, I mean, you've – you're ruined now, my friend.
02:14:24.000Because once you get it about vaccines, then you see it everywhere.
02:14:29.000Well, I had Suzanne Humphreys on who wrote that book, Dissolving Illusions.
02:14:34.000And that book is a must-read for anybody who wants to really understand the history of vaccines and what really happened in terms of the end of pandemics and the introduction of these vaccines.
02:14:50.000Oh, that – and there's a whole thread of – of how prevalent lead was in the population in the powdered wigs and so many things that we had.
02:15:01.000And then when they got rid of the lead, that was concurrent with the onset of widespread vaccination.
02:15:06.000And so the loss of life associated – or the improvement in loss of life and birth outcomes associated with getting the lead out of the population, well, that's ascribed to the vaccines by the people that are busy marketing vaccines.
02:15:21.000And likewise, all the work associated with water sanitation and all of that.
02:15:30.000The first time I – to credit what credit is due as a vaccinologist.
02:15:34.000The first time I really encountered that logic was Candace Owens had me on years ago.
02:15:42.000And she said, you know, we've done this deep dive and we've looked at this thing and these infectious diseases go down before the vaccines come up.
02:15:59.000Because when people are so concerned about polio and polio vaccines and we've cured polio, they're going to bring back polio if they stop the vaccines.
02:16:08.000When I tell them what percentage of polio do you think is asymptomatic and that most people think like none, right?
02:16:18.000It's 95 to 99 percent of polio is asymptomatic.
02:16:23.000And then you find out through Suzanne Humphrey's work that they were spraying DDT ubiquitously all over the country at the same time.
02:16:31.000And it gives you the same exact symptoms of paralytic polio.
02:16:37.000And then subsequently the actual first infections that started occurring in this country were occurring in rural areas where they spray DDT everywhere.
02:16:46.000Yeah, so one of – so there's – if I can kind of throw another log in the fire on that narrative.
02:16:56.000One of the cool things that I'm getting to see from my perch at the ACIP is people working at the cutting edge of modern genetic technology investigations about cause and effect and genomic effects.
02:17:12.000And one of the things – you talk about this rare incidence of paralytic polio or myocarditis, OK?
02:17:22.000Myocarditis is rare with the vaccine and yet it happens at a significant rate.
02:17:27.000It happens more in certain populations than other populations.
02:17:30.000This was heresy at first and now they were forced to admit it and stay tuned later in February.
02:17:36.000But there's a group that had a big grant to look at genetic links associated with risk factors for this.
02:17:48.000And strangely, halfway through their program during the Biden administration, all their funding got caught.
02:17:53.000But they still made a lot of progress and they kind of limped along with volunteer stuff.
02:17:58.000Modern – I mentioned the genome costs, 300 bucks a genome.
02:18:02.000So these guys have gone through and they've identified seven genes that represent high risk factors for myocarditis after vaccination.
02:18:11.000Myocarditis after vaccination, by the way, was a major side effect associated with the smallpox vaccines or one of them.
02:18:18.000It's been associated with vaccines for quite a while.
02:18:21.000We just kind of haven't heard about it and it's particularly bad with these.
02:18:24.000But there – we – one of the – trying to continue my theme of it's not all dark.
02:18:33.000One of the things that's coming out is that if we commit to it and do the research like Team Kennedy is committed to doing, we may well be able to detect those people that – the genetic characteristics of those people that might have been at higher risk for say paralytic polio or myocarditis.
02:18:56.000So that we can have genetic tests and you can have that test and determine whether you actually have that risk factor.
02:19:04.000It looks like because of the dynamics of clinical research and epidemiology in infectious disease that this kind of application of genetic diagnostic technology may give us whole new insights into those small populations that had those rare events.
02:19:22.000You know, we know the big picture in COVID and the COVID vaccination, post-vaccination syndromes of the high-risk individuals with obesity and elderly and basically people with a high inflammatory set point.
02:19:38.000But now we're getting down into some of the nuances and I think that that's – you know, I talked about some of the dark sides of biotechnology.
02:19:44.000But there are some real bright sides that offer hope, and what will happen as that kind of starts to roll out is that manufacturers and academic surrogates and others are kind of – they're not going to be able to continue to hide behind these narratives that they have promoted now for decades,
02:20:16.000because the true-true is going to come out.
02:20:47.000Hopefully, they get a chance to still do it after the midterm and they don't get hogtied.
02:20:53.000But I'm optimistic that we're – these narratives that have been promoted, these false narratives, we're going to be able to break them through doing actual science if we're allowed to do it.
02:21:06.000And this new technology is particularly with sequence analysis and identification of risk correlates.
02:21:17.000The intersection between sequence analysis and epidemiology is going to really open up new understandings about what's going on in human disease.
02:22:57.000So that's talking – What is Dark Aeon?
02:22:59.000This is talking more about kind of the Silicon Valley culture that's pushing transhumanism and how integrally it's become involved in this space.
02:23:14.000I mean what – I don't have – I don't pal around with Elon and – not to say he is or whomever you want to talk about in that space.
02:23:26.000But my understanding and I read these things.
02:23:30.000Maybe they're also – maybe that's also propaganda that a lot of these people of let's say the Bill Gates cast and the younger ones associated with that would – are advocates for a world in which they are able to upload their avatar consciousness in a digital space and live forever.
02:23:50.000Trevor Burrus That's Ray Kurzweil, right?
02:23:53.000Trevor Burrus Sounds like you know more.
02:23:55.000I mean you're the UAP guy here, which by the way is another fascinating domain that I'm learning more about.
02:24:20.000Trevor Burrus It seems like there's some inventions that sort of emerged out of nowhere that supposedly are connected to back engineering programs.
02:24:28.000Trevor Burrus So I'm now – I'm now of the belief that there exists a capability that transcends physics as we know it.
02:24:44.000let's say Einsteinian physics and is more aligned with Hawking's physics that we can't – we don't comprehend right now.
02:24:57.000Trevor Burrus And it has to do with extremely high energy systems and I having – I mean I've had some of these guys because I'm now known worldwide as a nutcase I guess and conspiracy theorist.
02:25:14.000Trevor Burrus I've had them on my farm, you know, staying in our guest house and shooting the bull and me trying to understand their world and what they're seeing and what they've experienced and observed and the information.
02:25:32.000Trevor Burrus And I'm – there's a lot of different models for what the hell is going on here and maybe it's all us, right?
02:25:40.000Trevor Burrus It's all us with – Trevor Burrus Secret technology.
02:25:43.000Trevor Burrus Yeah, that's one model for the – what do they call it? Tic-tacs and – I'm increasingly convinced by the logic that there is a physics beyond the physics that we know that is the physics of extremely high energy systems.
02:25:59.000Trevor Burrus And in high energy systems, a lot of the rules about motion and transportation and matter and the ability to cross between matter states that is repeatedly observed and reported by responsible people, military folks that have strong disincentives for saying this stuff.
02:26:29.000Trevor Burrus And yet still they're saying, that's what I saw, OK?
02:26:33.000Trevor Burrus Transmedium devices that can fly and then go underwater as fast as they're flying.
02:26:39.000Trevor Burrus So I – one of the models of that is that this has to do with having some extremely high energy source in a very small package.
02:26:57.000Trevor Burrus We're now moving into a new fusion world, right?
02:27:03.000We're talking about these microfusion reactors that are going to be powering our data centers all over the world, transforming the whole energy, right?
02:27:12.000I mean there's this logic in crossing over into the economics, Bitcoin or kind of space.
02:27:19.000Trevor Burrus There's this logic that it all comes down to energy.
02:27:24.000Energy is the one thing that fuels economic development and everything around us.
02:27:33.000Trevor Burrus And I'm not a physicist but I listen and learn and it sounds to me like these micro-reactors and the technology that was involved strangely in this assassination.
02:27:50.000Trevor Burrus Remember that bizarre assassination in Boston that happened?
02:27:59.000Trevor Burrus Yeah, there's something going on there that's really transformational and if it matures – remember Trump has invested in this in a big way.
02:28:16.000Trevor Burrus If we emerge into a future within my lifetime probably of these micro-nukes as energy sources decentralized, first driven by the tech bros because they want to have their data centers.
02:28:40.000Trevor Burrus But then suddenly we have – as that matures and the patents come off, we have the ability to put power generation in very small packages wherever we want in the world.
02:28:54.000Trevor Burrus Suddenly the entire landscape of economic activity and the future of humanity is transformed like that and that's just the beginning.
02:29:03.000Trevor Burrus If we push that technology, we may find ourselves in some space where we have the ability to produce extremely large amounts of energy in a very small package and use that – of course it will be weaponized.
02:29:21.000Trevor Burrus Use that for a variety of things but I think the guys that are speculating about these phenomena being driven by the existence of almost point sources of unlimited energy functionally may make sense out of things that otherwise are really hard to wrap your head around.
02:29:47.000Trevor Burrus Well, we're in for a very interesting future one way or another.
02:29:52.000Trevor Burrus Yes, and it doesn't have to be dark and demonic.
02:30:36.000Trevor Burrus Yeah, but – Trevor Burrus The company working on it.
02:30:39.000Trevor Burrus Nonetheless – Trevor Burrus Nonetheless – Trevor Burrus They are working on artificial worms.
02:30:42.000Trevor Burrus We're going to come out – so see if you can find the – since you're so good at Googling or whatever you're doing, see if you can find the images of this artificial womb and I believe it's a lamb.
02:30:59.000Trevor Burrus We've seen the lamb before, but I'm just saying that the people thing is – Trevor Burrus The factory thing with people.
02:31:16.000Trevor Burrus Well, Robert, thank you so much for being here.
02:31:18.000Trevor Burrus I really appreciate it and it was nice for you to come back and under less hostile terms in the world.
02:31:25.000Trevor Burrus Well, it wasn't hostile then.
02:31:26.000Trevor Burrus No, but I think your message was a lot more hostile and it's the way it was received, you know, like you were received in a hostile way.
02:31:38.000Trevor Burrus I don't think this one is going to be hostile.
02:31:39.000Trevor Burrus I think pretty much everything that you said, most people are aware of now and then the other things that you're saying, they're not far-fetched at all.
02:31:48.000Trevor Burrus And I think there's a lot more people that are more open to receiving information like that now than ever before.
02:31:55.000Trevor Burrus Well, some of it can be attributed to you.
02:31:59.000Trevor Burrus Well, that's kind, let's say to the community.
02:32:04.000Trevor Burrus And of which I'm a vehicle, have been at times.
02:32:09.000Trevor Burrus A lot of the stuff that I shared with you back then was the consequence of a community that I was embedded in, of other physicians and scientists, many of whom were primary care practitioners.
02:32:22.000Trevor Burrus And I was attending weekly meetings with these people and I had frontline knowledge of what they were seeing and experiencing.
02:32:31.000Trevor Burrus And I had frontline knowledge of the physicians that I was collaborating with at DITRA, of what they were experiencing.
02:32:39.000Trevor Burrus I was never managing COVID patients except myself.
02:32:43.000Trevor Burrus But I knew what others were experiencing and you gave me an opportunity to share their voice through me and I thank you for that.
02:32:54.000Trevor Burrus It was a moment in time and I think we did good, but by God, they came at us.