On this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, the comedian and podcaster joins Jemele to talk about his love of red meat, his love life, and why he doesn t like Taco Bell. He also talks about why he thinks it's a good idea to have a female handler on the job.
00:01:12.000I'm at the age now that it's like I look at certain food and I'm like, oh my God, it looks good, but you know, you can't handle that.
00:01:19.000I think this is when I really, really need to be in love because I need to be with somebody that understands when I go places and when I want to pig out, they got to be like, he can't eat that.
00:03:58.000You just, you know, you should go to a doctor and find out if there's like, there might be something particularly about you that red meat doesn't agree with you.
00:04:08.000But it might just be what you're eating with the red meat more than the red meat itself.
00:04:13.000You know, that's what I would imagine.
00:04:15.000I would imagine it's not actually red meat.
00:04:17.000I would imagine it's what you're eating with it.
00:07:42.000We had a doctor on the other side that thinks that regular cigarettes are not nearly like American spirits are not nearly as bad for you as cigarettes.
00:07:52.000I understand that they have some type of American spirits.
00:07:55.000I'm not even advocating for what you should and shouldn't smoke.
00:07:58.000But they say that's supposed to be the most natural if there's such a thing.
00:08:52.000Sue claims such marketing language has endeared American Spirit cigarettes to a core group of smokers who believe that the natural tobacco in the cigarette makes them a healthier alternative.
00:09:00.000Despite cigarette sales declining 17% between 2009 and 2014, American Spirit sales have increased 86% over the same period.
00:09:10.000A regulatory filing on the Reynolds American website states American Spirit is the leading super premium cigarette brand that is a top 10 best-selling cigarette brand, priced higher than most other competitive brands and is differentiated from key competitors through its use of all natural, additive-free tobacco, including styles made with organic tobacco.
00:09:30.000But words like all natural and additive-free on American Spirits labeling, the suit says belies the fact that Santa Fe Reynolds adds ammonia to their cigarettes to maximize the amount of nicotine a smoker receives with the result that American Spirits contain significantly more free-based nicotine than other major cigarette brands.
00:09:50.000So you're actually getting high off of cigarettes?
00:10:08.000Yeah, I was asking him, like, why do you like menthols?
00:10:11.000And he's like, he was speaking on behalf of the black community.
00:10:16.000He said, we like things that are more potent.
00:10:19.000I believe that that's possible, part of it, but I also believe that back in the day, and this supply, I don't know if I talk about this, it was certain brands that targeted certain communities just for the loyalty of it.
00:10:29.000And I think Newport's was targeting, I don't know if it was a situation where Newport came out.
00:10:34.000They were spending more ad money with advertising and everything.
00:10:37.000I don't know if I shared this story with you, but Pepsi was a company that did that.
00:10:44.000So I think, even though I understand we said more potent, but I think it was something that was in our community, whether that was like cheaper prices or whatever.
00:10:51.000And I think it's generation and generation, like you need to do this because black people did this because it was cheaper.
00:10:56.000I think that that might be the case with Newport.
00:11:24.000But I got so many bad habits that I need to change.
00:11:32.000Our sponsor, our AI sponsor, Perplexity, says the menthol effect of cigarettes come from the chemical menthol itself, which is added as a flavoring and a sensory agent to the tobacco.
00:11:41.000Menthol is naturally found in peppermint and other mint plants.
00:11:45.000It can also be made synthetically in a lab.
00:11:47.000Menthol activates cold-sensitive nerve receptors in the mouth, throat, and airways, creating a cooling sensation when you inhale smoke.
00:11:54.000It's a mild anesthetic, numbing effect that reduces pain and irritation from hot, harsh cigarette smoke, making it feel smoother.
00:12:03.000Menthol can suppress the cough reflex and dull early warnings or early warning signs of airway irritation, which make it easier to inhale more deeply and more often.
00:12:15.000Menthol reduces the perceived harshness of nicotine and smoke.
00:12:19.000The minty taste and smell plus the cooling feel act as a pleasant sensory cues that many smokers come to associate with satisfaction and craving.
00:12:28.000Menthol can alter nicotine metabolism and the way nicotine acts on brain receptors, which may increase nicotine's reinforcing addictive effects.
00:12:37.000In short, the menthol effect is not from nicotine, but from added menthol, which cools and numbs the airways, masks irritation, and can make cigarettes feel smoother and more addictive without making them any safer.
00:12:49.000So menthol cigarettes appeal to black people because it's a cool cigarette.
00:13:25.000I think that, I think, I don't know what the ratios, what cigarette gets you more money in a dice game, but whenever I hear people telling war stories, they like, man, I got a pack, I got a carton of cools for a bag of Doritos or something, but the value of a cool cigarette is higher in prison.
00:13:45.000Isn't it crazy that they give you cigarettes in prison?
00:14:21.000But candy bars, you got to be particular with that.
00:14:23.000Because if you offer, this is what I hear.
00:14:26.000If you offer a person a certain amount of candy bars, then what I understand is that you're inviting them to have sexual intercourse with you.
00:14:44.000This is only, not that I've had those experiences, Joe, but this is the times that I frequent the streets, which aren't anymore, not too often.
00:14:56.000And these facts, you don't need them for anything but for barbershop talk, but these are the conversations that I have that I've heard people have.
00:15:04.000It's interesting how different brands market to different people.
00:15:08.000And I mean, how do they figure it out?
00:15:15.000Like, advertising itself, I don't have a problem with, but I did, there is something weird about deceptive advertising that's legal, you know?
00:15:26.000Well, they do a history on what people like.
00:15:30.000I was watching or reading a story about the people that started Forever 21.
00:15:45.000And what they would do is they would have these clothing pieces of clothes, and they would really pay particular attention to what colors people like, what was selling the most, whatever.
00:16:00.000And one of the things that made Forever 21 so popular because they had really inexpensive, the clothes weren't expensive, but they was turning them over so quick.
00:16:22.000You could do lemon pepper, chicken wings, lemon pepper, french fries, anything, lemon pepper.
00:16:26.000They're going to go, I don't know who started the whole lemon pepper craze, but you lemon pepper, anything, black people are going to buy it.
00:16:32.000That's interesting, like how white people are associated with very bland foods.
00:16:47.000You'd never, ever say, if you tell somebody, if you say, and you would be able to be invited to the cookout, Joe, you know, people like you.
00:16:57.000If you say, hey, guys, I'm coming to a cookout, right?
00:17:02.000And I'm bringing macaroni and cheese, you're going to get uninvited to the cookout.
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00:22:05.000Specifically, excess sugar, like in a liquid form, your body does not know what the fuck to do with that because nowhere in nature do you get sugar in a liquid form like that.
00:22:20.000Like drinking orange juice, yeah, you're going to get some vitamin D, but you're also going to, vitamin C, rather, but you're also going to get a gigantic dose of sugar that has no fiber in it.
00:22:29.000But it's a different type of blood sugar and fruits and vegetables than what you get off the counter.
00:22:34.000You get fructose rather than high fructose corn syrup.
00:22:38.000You know, look, sugar from fruit is the best sugar for you because it's attached to fiber.
00:23:29.000Genesis does not specifically specify, rather, what kind of fruit Adam ate, only that it calls it fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
00:23:38.000Yeah, so it's not necessarily an apple.
00:23:43.000The text never names the species, apple, fig, etc.
00:23:46.000The Hebrew word is peri, a general term meaning fruit without a botanical detail.
00:23:51.000Where the apple idea came from over time, Jewish and Christian interpreters proposed many candidates, including fig, grape, pomegranate, citron, and others.
00:24:01.000Now, common idea is that an apple developed later in European tradition, helped by wordplay in Latin and Old French, where the words evil and apple or fruit sounded or were spelled similarly.
00:24:17.000I feel like I get so much more information when I come here.
00:24:20.000I don't know if people understand that.
00:24:22.000Well, the crazy thing is that, I mean, I've found this out recently because I've actually been reading the Bible, that there's no reference whatsoever to Adam telling Eve, you're not supposed to eat the fruit from the plant with the knowledge of good and evil.
00:25:04.000Well, the problem with the Bible is, first of all, that it was an oral tradition forever.
00:25:10.000So it was an oral tradition for a long time before it was ever written down.
00:25:14.000Then it was written down in a bunch of ancient languages.
00:25:17.000It was written down in ancient Hebrew.
00:25:18.000It was written down in Aramaic, Aramaic.
00:25:21.000And then when you translate ancient Hebrew to first, they translated it to Latin, and then they translated it to Greek and all these other, maybe Greek first.
00:27:16.000And it was like he was making fun of the mega churches and everything.
00:27:19.000But these churches, like, they give these people something to believe in, make them feel better, and they charge people.
00:27:26.000Do you think that there should be a separation?
00:27:28.000If I inspire you, if my writings or my speeches inspire you to want to do something and change your life and be more financially secure, do you think these people are entitled to like, okay, almost like agencies, if I get you to work or get you there, should you hit me off?
00:27:44.000Or the mega churches, is it so wrong for me just to pour all their money into them?
00:27:48.000Or are they giving these people something to believe in?
00:27:51.000If that's the case, do I supposed to get a piece of that?
00:27:53.000I think they're preying on people's need to believe in things.
00:28:42.000And then he had all these examples of people that did it and they would call in and say, I was $1,000 in debt and this and that, but I borrowed $100 and I donated it to you.
00:28:51.000And now all of a sudden I drive a Rolls-Royce and it's all horseshit.
00:28:54.000But those are all desperate, desperate people.
00:28:58.000Those are the same people that I'm going to spend $30 on a lottery every day for like fucking 50 years and don't know how much that's another scam.
00:29:06.000Not only is that a scam, here's the scam about the lottery.
00:29:09.000Not only does, like say if everyone pumps money into the lottery, say you buy $100 worth of tickets and Jamie buys $100 worth of tickets and I buy $100.
00:30:29.000His company bought a ticket for the lottery.
00:30:32.000Yes, Zorro Trust, which is his company.
00:30:34.000They won the lottery, which is very suspicious.
00:30:37.000Not only that, he won the lottery right after he was arrested and went to jail for fucking kids or having sex or whatever he was arrested for.
00:30:52.000So then when he went and got the lottery money, the company took the payoff.
00:30:58.000The payoff out of an $80 million payment, the $80 million jackpot, was only $30 million.
00:31:04.000So if you want the money, you take $30.
00:31:06.000So not only did they take $50 out of the 80, but then you think about how many people spent money buying lottery tickets is way more than $80 million.
00:31:16.000So they make money off of that, and then they make money off of the fact that you want the payoff instead of the, you know, the overall.
00:31:23.000So they never could, it doesn't matter what the jackpot becomes, they never can lose.
00:31:36.000Like, let's say, let's find an average jackpot of mega bucks and find out how much money actually goes into it, how much money people spend versus how much money the payout is.
00:31:51.000So, when this, all lottos are state-regulated, right?
00:32:31.000But for a person that's never barely seen $1,000 anywhere, anything with millionaire, they're going to be excited about and take it before they get it.
00:32:49.000I think she won some type of lottery where they gave her two options.
00:32:53.000She would get, I think it was like a payout of like two or three million right up front, or they give her, I think it was like $20,000 every month for as long as she lived.
00:33:06.000Well, people think that it's kind of crazy, but if you consider the fact that she was probably 20, 21, her life expectancy probably, she was white, so she probably lived to 132.
00:34:50.000I think in certain neighborhoods, I think they probably pump a certain amount of winning tickets into a neighborhood just to get you addicted to keep going in there and spend your money.
00:35:55.000He was actually a fucking FBI informant.
00:35:58.000Not only was he a gangster, he was working with the FBI and they were letting him get away with shit because he was throwing other people under the bus.
00:36:35.000So the way it would work was, like, say if you lived in the community and you won the lottery ticket, maybe they would give you money for your lottery ticket and then he would get it.
00:36:44.000And that way, it would show that this is where he got his income from.
00:36:48.000Like, these guys would all own businesses.
00:36:51.000But the reason why they would own businesses is so they could show why they drive a Cadillac, why they have a mansion, why they have this, because they have legitimate businesses.
00:37:58.000And I don't want to make everything about race.
00:38:00.000Is that phrase snitches, get snitches, more prevalent in the white community or the black community or it's across the board?
00:38:07.000I think it's across the board, isn't it?
00:38:09.000Like the black community is famous for keeping their mouth shut when someone gets shot or when someone does something, like when cops come and question.
00:38:16.000I don't know that's the truth anymore because what I'm.
00:40:00.000So Donnie Brasco was the guy who was an agent and he pretended to be a mob guy.
00:40:06.000And he got in with the mob and was with them for like seven years, did all kinds of shit with the mob and then sold everybody out and they all went under.
00:40:15.000I'm just so the culture, everything is, there used to be a phrase snitches get stitches.
00:40:21.000Now, I don't know if this just everywhere, but everywhere I go, it's like the most interesting thing now that's selling on any platform, especially social media, is beef.
00:40:30.000And I don't understand why people gravitate toward negativity more than anything.
00:40:42.000Your platform, but I go to these other platforms and I don't know.
00:40:46.000I think these guys, people, they just sit back and it's like, okay, what can I say to make people upset, get them riled up, and then I take advantage of the engagement that they do.
00:41:13.000And do you have you noticed, especially, I'll put it like this, especially with comedians with podcasts.
00:41:21.000It used to be a time where, like you say, a person would go on a podcast because it was interesting.
00:41:26.000They told funny stories or they was good at their craft or whatever.
00:41:30.000But now it feels like all these platforms, and I don't know that's just in my community, when I say that, black people, it's like the only way I can find myself interesting if I talk shit about people.
00:41:42.000And motherfuckers are going away from being funny when you get interviewed.
00:41:50.000Like every fucking podcast I turn on now, it's somebody, I'm exposed this person.
00:41:55.000I'm going to tell this about what you didn't know.
00:41:58.000And the one thing they're not doing, especially as a stand-up comedian, motherfuckers don't give a fuck about being funny no more.
00:43:54.000What most people are doing with their being negative is they are jealous and they are below the person to talk shit about.
00:44:01.000Like whenever I see someone that's talking about Kat was jealous about, you don't think you say that and you use Cat Williams as an example.
00:45:34.000So if you are dating a girl and she lives in Minnesota and you live in California and you fly her to California and I'm thinking about I don't think that's true.
00:47:10.000I realize that, not to say names, but it's so many people that could be guilty of it.
00:47:15.000And this is the thing that I hear that understands me, that disturbs me, is that, you know, a lot of these people that bitch the most, they, at some point in their career, they were favored by Hollywood.
00:49:49.000Well, I engaged online with a lot of people in the early days because I didn't understand what you're doing is you're engaging with people that don't have happy lives.
00:50:01.000And there's some criticisms that are good for you because some criticisms make you evaluate what you're doing and say, okay, well, what I need to do is be undeniable so these critics mean nothing to me because you can't, I'm killing.
00:52:49.000You remember, people would still come to do your podcast because they know the benefits of it and you had your thing doing.
00:52:56.000They would come to your podcast and then they would fucking leave because they didn't want to catch COVID and then they would leave Tony stranded and he had no good guests.
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00:57:20.000I'm going to tell you the difference between him, and I'm going to tell you the similarities between him and Jamie a little later on, right?
01:07:37.000My publicist, I don't know if this is a good idea right now, too, because what you think is a nice gesture you want to do the show, people are going to act like it's a political stand.
01:08:24.000And the only thing I wanted to do at the end of that Kill Tony episode was to apologize to him and say, you know, as a friend, I probably wasn't there.
01:08:32.000And he understood, even though I was like, he's never going to let me do the show again.
01:09:47.000I really believe Kid Rock doesn't believe half the shit he says, but I think that he knows it's going to move the Dow is what's going to make him be in the headlines with people like, oh, shit.
01:15:54.000In fact, Barry Katz had a room, Boston Comedy Club, and it was Black Knight on Sundays, right?
01:16:00.000Black comedians looked at me like they said, where are you going?
01:16:02.000I was like, I got a spot at the cellar.
01:16:04.000They're like, how the fuck did you get in the cellar?
01:16:07.000The way I got into it was put the work in, I hung out, got a couple of recommendations, and when it's time for me to showcase, I did my thing.
01:16:13.000But the minute I got past in the cellar, I didn't really care about working there all the time.
01:16:16.000I just wanted to be validated as like, this is the spot.
01:16:32.000He's a funny motherfucker, and he's been funny forever.
01:16:34.000You know, it's so funny that you said underappreciated because, you know, when you know comedians that put the work in or whatever, it's a phrase that people use underrated, but you got to ask who rated it.
01:20:43.000That's why David Taylor will always give other comics something to like try to achieve because he's like, you ain't going to see him doing the same shit.
01:24:56.000You weren't around the store back then, but it was a real problem where he had that special or that show, rather, on Comedy Central after Dave left, which was basically doing his version of Dave's sketches.
01:25:13.000Like the one when he dressed like the white guy and had white paint on his face and wore the white wig.
01:25:17.000It was basically the same character that Dave was doing.
01:25:19.000Yeah, but if you look at the history of sketch comedy, I don't think Dave was the first person to ever dressed himself up to look like right afterwards.
01:26:38.000I remember when I was hearing stories about Dave doing shows where he would set up a speaker in Seattle in the park and just start doing stand-up.
01:26:59.000Charlie was like, if you ever thought you were funny or whatever, go.
01:27:04.000This is what the art of only people I've ever known that got certain level of success with that, Charlie Barnett, Michael Collier, when he used to be in his beach.
01:28:19.000That's not, oh, so good that you got talent.
01:28:21.000But more importantly, it's your work ethics.
01:28:24.000And how do you take your guy-given talent and your passion and turn it into money?
01:28:29.000You know, you're into music and everything.
01:28:31.000You probably could name a million saxophonists or whatever that didn't get to do that you could be like, well, listen to this shit.
01:28:38.000But for some reason, they didn't have the business part and all that together.
01:28:42.000And I'm going back, I'm probably talking to Circle now, but this is what upsets me the most about my folks or whatever, these people that go on these platforms and talk shit about people.
01:28:52.000There was a comedian that was talking shit about Martin Lawrence, right?
01:28:56.000Well, I saw Martin Lawrence, and Martin Lawrence in the casino, he's really, it's not that funny.
01:29:03.000I'm like this, motherfucker, he's Martin Lawrence.
01:29:07.000Well, they didn't know him in the 90s.
01:29:09.000No, no, this person, no, this person particularly, no.
01:29:15.000If you just know Martin Lawrence, period, that's enough.
01:29:18.000Richard Pride, before he passed away, when he was in the wheelchair, damn near rolled him out of the stage, sold out audiences.
01:31:54.000It was motherfuckers leaving there that probably had $500 in the bank, leaving with a quarter million dollar development deal just to do nothing.
01:32:20.000They used to tell you all the time, as a stand-up comic, if you're trying to be an actor, whatever, go to L.A. If you want to be a great stand-up comic, bang it out in New York.
01:32:28.000And this was the rule back in the day, Joe.
01:35:27.000Y'all, if anything, I thought it'd be like lawsuits the next morning, defamation of character, slander, but I never knew that it was fucking Caucasian and on Caucasian beef like this.
01:36:10.000I think it's going back to being bitter and jealous and thinking about other people instead of thinking about himself and why people don't want to go see him anymore.
01:36:17.000He was upset when we left the comedy store because we took the crowds away.
01:36:21.000And it's like, hey, you were on the fucking marquee too, man.
01:37:12.000And when other people are doing better than him, he wants to talk shit about them.
01:37:15.000And that's where Bill had a problem with it.
01:37:17.000You think being a narcissist in this field is a bad thing?
01:37:19.000For some reason, I think that kind of fuels you to be the person that you are, to be determined to do and not give a fuck about what nobody thinks.
01:37:25.000Well, having self-respect and having an ego where you care about what you put out, yes, that's a good thing.
01:37:33.000But making it all about you and not being able to appreciate other people's work is crazy because other people doing well can be fuel for you to be inspired and do better yourself.
01:38:17.000And Andrew Schultz came on the podcast and told a story about Jon Stewart and Maron where Maron confronted Jon Stewart with Jon Stewart, got some television show.
01:38:32.000The same show that he was calling Jon Stewart for being a sellout.
01:38:35.000So how did you go from that to, okay, for you to have one of the biggest podcasts, at some point in your career, you had to be likable or you think people just wanted to do this show?
01:38:44.000There wasn't very many podcasts back then.
01:38:47.000The thing that killed Marin's podcast, my personal opinion, no hate, is that he has this rant at the beginning of his podcast that's not entertaining.
01:40:57.000If people have heard this before, I'm sorry.
01:40:59.000Think of your focus and your attention like a number.
01:41:03.000Think of you have like a hundred points in a day to spend on things.
01:41:08.000If you spend 30 of those points thinking about haters or 30% of those thinking about bitter people, 30% thinking about other people that are doing better than you, that's 30% that you robbed from the 100% that you have to focus on your life.
01:41:35.000I don't think about negative, stupid things with people that have bitter, angry minds that are concentrating on other people's success and trying to tear them down all the time because they're trying to tear them down all the time because they compare themselves to them and they don't like how they stack up.
01:41:49.000They don't like the fact that that person's doing better.
01:41:51.000They don't like the fact that that person's more successful.
01:41:54.000So they try to take things either out of context or they try to misrepresent who that person is.
01:41:59.000They try to change public perception of that person to try to drag that person down.
01:43:19.000You don't have to give a fuck if you have enough money that you could just like disappear off into the sunset and never have to worry about money.
01:43:25.000Because a lot of people are always worried about money.
01:43:27.000And so you're always constantly in this state of anxiety trying to get more.
01:44:44.000I was like, John, I'm doing exactly what I want to do.
01:44:49.000For me to be able to wake up, not have to work for anybody, call my own shots, make a fair wage, take care of my families, enjoy my friends and everything.
01:45:00.000And it's me connecting with a God-given talent.
01:45:37.000So whether I tell people all this all the time, whether I get another film opportunity, whether I get another TV show or whatever, or any of that, I'm living what some people's dreams are.
01:46:47.000You might get caught up in the wave because you're hanging out with one of the greatest comics that's ever lived, but it doesn't mean that it's a negative.
01:46:53.000And you know another thing, let me add to that.
01:46:56.000And I'm not blowing my own horn or whatever.
01:46:58.000Like you said, one of the greatest comedians ever lived, right?
01:47:00.000If a person had a conversation with Dave Chappelle, people could say whatever I'm worrying about, people think.
01:47:05.000If you ask Dave who is in his top five comedians, my name's going to come up.
01:47:12.000So as much as people, they always talk about, they always try to pin me like blah, blah, this and everything.
01:47:18.000I respect the fact that he respects me.
01:49:00.000That village of Yellow Springs, he made it as safe as it could be.
01:49:04.000Like any place we would go, hotel staff.
01:49:07.000Everybody had an opportunity to get, everybody had an opportunity to get tested.
01:49:11.000And I remember, this was very interesting.
01:49:14.000When the bubble we did one, this was Bob Sagart, R.I.P., we were doing these shows.
01:49:20.000And I think that before Bob passed away, when he came out to Yellow Springs and was hanging out with Dave and us and everything, it gave him some incentive to want to go back on the road to do it.
01:49:29.000He just got really excited about doing it again.
01:53:03.000What I will say about a real arena show, you got the arena show where a quarter of the venue is being used for stage and everything, right?
01:59:47.000I'm telling you that ponytail I don't know what the fuck he did about it like a Steven Sagal ponytail yeah, and not only that, but he put his hair back like this, almost like the, like a ditty party.
02:00:00.000That's how they start ditty parties, oiled up.
02:01:31.000That was a big one where people were essentially doing podcasts like anybody could just like just talk, chime in and talk.
02:01:36.000Shit was getting like a million followers in three days and shit like yeah, oh yeah, there was a lot of that and a lot of people thought that that was going to keep going, like clubhouse is going to be the new thing.
02:01:44.000I'm like this is just bad podcasting And it's what.
02:04:04.000And you brought a whole community here.
02:04:06.000As much as this place was always big for music or whatever, but I mean, there's no way anybody cannot agree with what you did and what you made it appealing to a lot of people is that you could go somewhere else, get a better quality of life.
02:05:52.000They want to see the accolades, the fortune you've built.
02:05:55.000They see that part, but nobody sees the hard work.
02:05:58.000Even with Kill Tony, the fact that during the pandemic, when he could have let the whole platform just fall apart, like we don't know when we're going to do it, he dug deeper and figured out a way, I'm just going to continue to do it.
02:08:40.000And here's the thing that I think, especially when you have these like social media comedians or whatever, the thing that the interesting thing about it, it's kind of hard to tell somebody to work on their craft when they're getting all the perks of what the craft can present them at an early, early stage.
02:08:59.000It's hard to tell somebody that's only been doing it for two years, that's making $50,000 or $100,000 a month off of monetizing something.
02:09:07.000They're like, this, you need to get better.
02:12:02.000And I don't know if this is what happened, but I was like, I never want to be like, hey, Joe Rogan, I'm Donnell Robinson, so-and-so.
02:12:08.000And the only respect I ever wanted to get from my peers and people that were doing it was like from the stage.
02:12:13.000You know, I always like, I was like, if we ever make the connection, I wanted to be off of, yo, this motherfucker is funny first, not just like, hey, you know, I rock with Dave and everything.
02:12:47.000I want the respect from what I put in, the work I put in.
02:12:50.000And people can acknowledge that, and that's what builds my relationship with you.
02:12:53.000It's built my relationships with all of these, all these guys.
02:12:58.000All of these people that I fuck with now, it ain't because other than anything other than like, yo, he's a dope comic, and then you can find out that I'm a good dude.
02:13:59.000He was like, I don't think I've ever seen a comedian that go in front of an audience that was ready to rip someone's head off, and you could hear silence.
02:14:08.000You know, that's the control I had with the audience.
02:14:10.000So we built sort of a respect for each other.
02:14:13.000And I remember one time I was at the comedy cellar and he was there.
02:14:17.000And I knew that he was back then, whatever you want to say about him, nobody had a roster bigger than Barry Katz.
02:14:23.000Back then, in like 97 or whatever, he had everybody.
02:16:27.000Those are the times when you got to fucking stand up.
02:16:31.000Yeah, well, we used to see that all the time at the store, like late night at the store in particular, where like, you know, because the way the store works, the show starts at 8 p.m. and it goes on till 2 a.m.
02:16:42.000And there's a lot of people that get there at 8 p.m. that are like, you know, tourists that are in town.
02:16:49.000And they sit there for the whole fucking show.
02:17:38.000And it would be, but I'm telling you, I think that was one of the things that made me strong because I was like, I'm going to do what the next person.
02:19:47.000Dave, Dave, everybody for the green room came out, right?
02:19:52.000And Dave told me to this day, he said, if I was doing a class on stand-up comedy, he said, I would use this as an example of like owning up to it.
02:23:47.000When we were doing the Chappelle show, it's safe to say, like, nobody was really making money.
02:23:53.000You know, in the contract, when you, in your contract, if your show just blows up, you got to stick to whatever you was getting for the contract.
02:23:58.000So we weren't making a lot of money doing the show.
02:24:01.000But I was like, we're too popular right now.
02:24:03.000And at that time, it was me and Charlie.
02:24:05.000It was Dave, me, and Charlie, like the biggest names on the show.
02:24:08.000So this was Mike Berkowitz, who's head of Willem and Morris right now, right?
02:24:13.000He was a young agent at the time, right?
02:26:17.000And one of the things that I would say that I really appreciate about what the Chappelle show gave to Charlie Murphy, when Charlie Murphy passed away, Joe, nobody said Eddie Murphy's brother died.
02:29:08.000It's like this, you don't got no time to play around because Bill, and because Bill was one of those comics, Bill was like, Bill would come, Bill did the mainstream shit, and he was one of the only white dudes who would do the fucking most grimiest spots ever.
02:29:22.000And I'm pretty sure he's always going to be a great comic, but I think that that helped build his character.
02:29:28.000I think that was probably what made him be in a position where he goes to Philly, like, yo, fuck y'all.
02:29:34.000I just did Dondell's fucking hood club in Brooklyn.
02:29:37.000If I can handle that, I can handle it.
02:29:39.000Well, that rant in Philly was because he was doing the Opie and Anthony tour.
02:29:42.000So when Opie and Anthony, their crowd were brutal.
02:32:53.000First time I saw him at Comedy Connection at Greenbelt, I used to do this club and it was a couple of people that came through and I was like, these motherfuckers are the next level.