The Joe Rogan Experience - February 17, 2026


Joe Rogan Experience #2455 - Donnell Rawlings


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2 hours and 37 minutes

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On this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, the comedian and podcaster joins Jemele to talk about his love of red meat, his love life, and why he doesn t like Taco Bell. He also talks about why he thinks it's a good idea to have a female handler on the job.

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00:00:01.000 Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out!
00:00:03.000 The Joe Rogan experience.
00:00:06.000 Train by day, Joe Rogan.
00:00:07.000 Podcast by night, all day.
00:00:12.000 Really?
00:00:13.000 It's unfortunate.
00:00:13.000 Red meat.
00:00:14.000 That's just.
00:00:15.000 In any form?
00:00:16.000 You know, like, I know it's weird.
00:00:19.000 If I eat a burger, it's different if I eat a steak.
00:00:24.000 Steak is a problem?
00:00:25.000 Yeah, I don't know if my digestive system, just like you two older, fucking bust this down. 0.96
00:00:31.000 I'm 58.
00:00:32.000 I'm 58 too.
00:00:33.000 I eat mostly meat.
00:00:34.000 I don't think it's age.
00:00:36.000 What is it then?
00:00:38.000 Well, what are you eating it with?
00:00:41.000 Tito's.
00:00:42.000 We're rolling.
00:00:43.000 Tito's.
00:00:44.000 Tito's vodka?
00:00:46.000 It can't be that, right?
00:00:47.000 No.
00:00:49.000 I'm eating a steak and I'm a little bit more.
00:00:51.000 I eat a steak and I will.
00:00:53.000 And I wash it down with Tito's and Tonic because it resembles H2O so much.
00:00:57.000 Sometimes I get thrown off until I do it.
00:00:59.000 What?
00:01:00.000 Yeah, I think I'm better at it.
00:01:01.000 Tito's and tonic resembles water.
00:01:03.000 The look of it.
00:01:04.000 The look of it.
00:01:05.000 It's clear.
00:01:05.000 That's all that matters to you?
00:01:07.000 Yeah.
00:01:08.000 I know at some point I need to change.
00:01:11.000 I need to change my life.
00:01:12.000 I'm at the age now that it's like I look at certain food and I'm like, oh my God, it looks good, but you know, you can't handle that.
00:01:19.000 I think this is when I really, really need to be in love because I need to be with somebody that understands when I go places and when I want to pig out, they got to be like, he can't eat that.
00:01:29.000 He's digging in.
00:01:30.000 He needs a handler.
00:01:31.000 He's going to be thrown up.
00:01:32.000 He's a female handler. 0.60
00:01:34.000 A female handler. 0.99
00:01:36.000 They call it geriatric.
00:01:38.000 This is what I hear.
00:01:40.000 This is what the streets are saying.
00:01:42.000 Most men get to an age, it's a geriatric shit, when you just smash all the women you want to do and everything. 0.99
00:01:48.000 Now you're going to have to worry about somebody helping you with your pill diet, helping you with your dietary needs and everything.
00:01:54.000 And they say that's a lot of times when men fall in love, when they need somebody to take them to the Golden Ears.
00:01:59.000 Or when you're about to be out of here, you need somebody to say, don't do that.
00:02:02.000 You got to mash this food up.
00:02:03.000 You got to chop it up.
00:02:04.000 But I'm having digestive issues sometimes.
00:02:07.000 With steak, huh?
00:02:08.000 It's red meat, I want to say.
00:02:09.000 And I'm a fan of it.
00:02:11.000 So if you eat like a bowl of pasta with the Tito's, no problem?
00:02:16.000 That's not a problem.
00:02:17.000 Interesting.
00:02:18.000 But it's definitely red meat.
00:02:20.000 You go to one of those doctors that checks people for allergies.
00:02:24.000 Voodoo doctor? 0.90
00:02:25.000 Yeah.
00:02:26.000 I don't want one of them selling it down.
00:02:28.000 I had to date an Asian.
00:02:29.000 I mean, I had to date a Haitian chick. 1.00
00:02:32.000 They intervoodoo really, really busy. 0.99
00:02:34.000 Oh, yeah.
00:02:35.000 Oh, yeah.
00:02:35.000 They stab you with pillows and shit.
00:02:37.000 You might have pain in your neck.
00:02:40.000 Is there any particular reason, Joe?
00:02:42.000 And I haven't been here in a while.
00:02:43.000 Is there any particular reason why I am doing your show during Black History Month?
00:02:49.000 No, you asked to come on.
00:02:52.000 But you reached out to me.
00:02:53.000 I reached out to you.
00:02:55.000 You should have reached out to me in July.
00:02:56.000 I would have said yes.
00:02:57.000 You got an open invitation.
00:02:59.000 You know that.
00:02:59.000 I haven't opened the invitation, but this is when, I don't know, I say, can I come to you?
00:03:03.000 You said, this is what you told me.
00:03:05.000 You said, I have a guest.
00:03:06.000 And then you called back.
00:03:08.000 I don't know if Jamie said, you know what month this is.
00:03:11.000 I don't know if he and you caught me.
00:03:11.000 Right.
00:03:13.000 I moved somebody.
00:03:14.000 I moved somebody for you because I knew you were coming here on a Monday.
00:03:17.000 I had someone booked.
00:03:18.000 Was it a Caucasian person?
00:03:19.000 I don't know.
00:03:20.000 I don't remember.
00:03:22.000 You know it was a white man or a black man.
00:03:24.000 Did I get, did I book a bunch of people?
00:03:24.000 No, you know what?
00:03:26.000 It might have been Michael Jarwhite because he's here tomorrow.
00:03:29.000 Yeah.
00:03:30.000 So it was probably Michael.
00:03:32.000 I just probably moved him a day.
00:03:33.000 But I appreciate you being accommodating because I felt like it was time for me to come back.
00:03:36.000 I haven't been here once.
00:03:37.000 You can come on anytime.
00:03:38.000 I really appreciate it.
00:03:40.000 I hold that to be true.
00:03:41.000 Come on.
00:03:42.000 I know that's true.
00:03:42.000 You know I love you.
00:03:43.000 Yeah.
00:03:44.000 I want some of that gum too, man.
00:03:45.000 I'm sorry.
00:03:46.000 The neurogum?
00:03:46.000 Do we have any, Jerry?
00:03:47.000 I have some, yeah.
00:03:48.000 Yeah, that stuff's the shoes.
00:03:49.000 I know.
00:03:50.000 Whenever you say something, it's the shit is the shit.
00:03:52.000 But what can I do about my, I can't do anything about my diet.
00:03:55.000 Sorry.
00:03:55.000 Whoops.
00:03:56.000 I hit the mic.
00:03:57.000 Yeah, you can.
00:03:58.000 You just, you know, you should go to a doctor and find out if there's like, there might be something particularly about you that red meat doesn't agree with you.
00:04:08.000 But it might just be what you're eating with the red meat more than the red meat itself.
00:04:13.000 You know, that's what I would imagine.
00:04:15.000 I would imagine it's not actually red meat.
00:04:17.000 I would imagine it's what you're eating with it.
00:04:21.000 And I'm going to check into it.
00:04:21.000 Might be.
00:04:24.000 Because as they say in the streets, I'm of that big age when you have to be considerate of a whole bunch of things.
00:04:29.000 So you should.
00:04:30.000 That's what I have to do.
00:04:31.000 Do you exercise at all?
00:04:31.000 I have to do that.
00:04:33.000 A little bit.
00:04:34.000 Usually doing sexual intercourse is when I get most of my cardio.
00:04:37.000 Get your push-ups in?
00:04:38.000 Yeah, and it's not as strong.
00:04:41.000 Damn, man.
00:04:42.000 You have to get...
00:04:43.000 I don't know if this applies to everybody.
00:04:45.000 You get to an age where you start looking at your history and you're like, damn, 2000, what's my best years?
00:04:52.000 Like, right now, I'll just give up.
00:04:54.000 You give up.
00:04:55.000 I don't put no pressure in it.
00:04:56.000 I give up.
00:04:57.000 I start asking, like, what's your shoe size is or whatever.
00:04:59.000 I'd rather go shopping than to really try to pound somebody out for three hours.
00:05:04.000 I'm at that age now where I have, I call it certain times.
00:05:10.000 Like, you're going to get a work good job.
00:05:12.000 I probably shouldn't be giving you that gum.
00:05:14.000 Gum is going to be a real problem on the microphone.
00:05:16.000 Is it people are going to get annoyed by you?
00:05:20.000 All right.
00:05:21.000 I don't know what to do.
00:05:22.000 Just chew it a little and spit it out.
00:05:24.000 You'll get the effects of it pretty quickly anyway.
00:05:24.000 Okay.
00:05:27.000 I'm at the age where my best work is like holidays.
00:05:31.000 Holidays.
00:05:32.000 Like, I'm an animal.
00:05:34.000 Why don't you hire a trainer? 0.95
00:05:38.000 You got some money.
00:05:39.000 And what are the trainers going to do to?
00:05:40.000 Get you in shape.
00:05:41.000 I think I need a therapist before I get a trainer.
00:05:45.000 I mean, you got to take one step at a time.
00:05:46.000 I got to get my mind right before I get my body right.
00:05:48.000 Wouldn't you agree?
00:05:49.000 No, getting your body right will help get your mind right.
00:05:52.000 I think that's some truth to that.
00:05:54.000 I think that you may be right about that.
00:05:57.000 Oh, 100%.
00:05:58.000 Getting your body right fixes your mind.
00:06:00.000 Without a doubt.
00:06:01.000 But I will say I'm at my best.
00:06:03.000 I'm at my peak when it's a holiday to celebrate.
00:06:06.000 Because you're rested.
00:06:06.000 I'm rested.
00:06:07.000 It's more incentive.
00:06:09.000 Like, if you want me to really smash good time, consider it like Valentine's Day, Christmas, Kwanzaa.
00:06:19.000 You can get seven good days.
00:06:21.000 But to expect me to be at my best on just a regular Tuesday or a Wednesday is not going to happen.
00:06:27.000 I need to do it.
00:06:28.000 Well, it's also drinking.
00:06:29.000 You like to drink.
00:06:30.000 Why would you say that?
00:06:31.000 I know why you would say that.
00:06:33.000 Come on, I've seen you.
00:06:34.000 All right.
00:06:34.000 I've been with you.
00:06:35.000 I drank with you.
00:06:36.000 Okay, then that's a good point.
00:06:38.000 There's cigarettes.
00:06:38.000 All right.
00:06:39.000 You was there.
00:06:40.000 You brought a pack with you.
00:06:42.000 Right?
00:06:42.000 There's that.
00:06:43.000 Those are not good.
00:06:45.000 There's a.
00:06:46.000 But you used to smoke.
00:06:47.000 I saw one of your podcasts.
00:06:49.000 I forget how you explain what made you not want to smoke anymore.
00:06:56.000 Well, cigarettes are a cognitive enhancer.
00:06:59.000 They are.
00:07:00.000 That's a fact.
00:07:01.000 Nicotine is a cognitive enhancer.
00:07:03.000 There's no doubt about it.
00:07:04.000 It's a fact.
00:07:05.000 And it does things to your mind.
00:07:08.000 It stimulates your mind in a way that very few other things do.
00:07:11.000 That's why a lot of intellectuals, a lot of professors use nicotine.
00:07:16.000 A lot of academics use nicotine.
00:07:18.000 A lot of people that rely on their brain use it.
00:07:20.000 A lot of writers use nicotine.
00:07:22.000 And there's different delivery methods that have different effects.
00:07:25.000 Unfortunately, smoking has a very potent, instantaneous effect.
00:07:30.000 And that's why people like it.
00:07:31.000 But it comes with a cost.
00:07:33.000 The physical health repercussions of cigarettes are well known.
00:07:38.000 It's not good.
00:07:39.000 And also, you're smoking Marlboros.
00:07:42.000 We had a doctor on the other side that thinks that regular cigarettes are not nearly like American spirits are not nearly as bad for you as cigarettes.
00:07:52.000 I understand that they have some type of American spirits.
00:07:55.000 I'm not even advocating for what you should and shouldn't smoke.
00:07:58.000 But they say that's supposed to be the most natural if there's such a thing.
00:08:02.000 It's just tobacco, I believe.
00:08:04.000 Is that a fact?
00:08:04.000 Nope.
00:08:05.000 What's in there besides tobacco?
00:08:05.000 No?
00:08:07.000 I've been trying to.
00:08:07.000 I don't know.
00:08:08.000 I don't know how this lawsuit ended up, but they got sued for the advertising of saying it's additive-free and all that.
00:08:14.000 Oh, did they?
00:08:15.000 Yeah.
00:08:16.000 What are the additives?
00:08:17.000 I've got that side item.
00:08:18.000 Well, let's look at it.
00:08:19.000 I've tried to look.
00:08:20.000 I mean, there's a big, here's like the website about the lawsuit.
00:08:23.000 What's the accusation?
00:08:25.000 That, oh, here you go.
00:08:26.000 It's on screen.
00:08:27.000 Oh, here we go.
00:08:27.000 Lawsuit questions natural claims.
00:08:30.000 Natural American Spirit cigarettes are made by Santa Fe Natural Tobacco Company and parent company Reynolds America.
00:08:36.000 R.J. Reynolds, they fuck with you.
00:08:38.000 American Spirits has been sold in the U.S. since 1985.
00:08:42.000 Under the original name, Original American Spirit.
00:08:45.000 Organic.
00:08:46.000 Oh, you got us.
00:08:48.000 You fucks. 0.97
00:08:50.000 Unadulterated tobacco.
00:08:52.000 Sue claims such marketing language has endeared American Spirit cigarettes to a core group of smokers who believe that the natural tobacco in the cigarette makes them a healthier alternative.
00:09:00.000 Despite cigarette sales declining 17% between 2009 and 2014, American Spirit sales have increased 86% over the same period.
00:09:09.000 Huzzah.
00:09:10.000 A regulatory filing on the Reynolds American website states American Spirit is the leading super premium cigarette brand that is a top 10 best-selling cigarette brand, priced higher than most other competitive brands and is differentiated from key competitors through its use of all natural, additive-free tobacco, including styles made with organic tobacco.
00:09:30.000 But words like all natural and additive-free on American Spirits labeling, the suit says belies the fact that Santa Fe Reynolds adds ammonia to their cigarettes to maximize the amount of nicotine a smoker receives with the result that American Spirits contain significantly more free-based nicotine than other major cigarette brands.
00:09:50.000 So you're actually getting high off of cigarettes?
00:09:52.000 100%.
00:09:53.000 I get high off of them because I don't smoke them all the time.
00:09:56.000 So I only smoke, if I smoke a couple cigarettes a week, it's a lot.
00:09:59.000 And Newport's probably like 10 times worse than menthol cigarettes, probably 10 times worse for your body.
00:10:06.000 I was talking to Kat about that.
00:10:08.000 Yeah, I was asking him, like, why do you like menthols?
00:10:11.000 And he's like, he was speaking on behalf of the black community.
00:10:16.000 He said, we like things that are more potent.
00:10:19.000 I believe that that's possible, part of it, but I also believe that back in the day, and this supply, I don't know if I talk about this, it was certain brands that targeted certain communities just for the loyalty of it.
00:10:29.000 And I think Newport's was targeting, I don't know if it was a situation where Newport came out.
00:10:34.000 They were spending more ad money with advertising and everything.
00:10:37.000 I don't know if I shared this story with you, but Pepsi was a company that did that.
00:10:42.000 They targeted the black community. 0.52
00:10:44.000 So I think, even though I understand we said more potent, but I think it was something that was in our community, whether that was like cheaper prices or whatever.
00:10:51.000 And I think it's generation and generation, like you need to do this because black people did this because it was cheaper. 1.00
00:10:56.000 I think that that might be the case with Newport.
00:10:58.000 Probably both.
00:10:59.000 What is the menthol effect?
00:11:02.000 What is the difference?
00:11:03.000 And I think it's a small menthol.
00:11:05.000 I sound like Cat Williams in that case.
00:11:08.000 That's one of the reasons I had to downgrade.
00:11:11.000 Some people think that I started smoking marble lights because I started dating white women, which is more appealing. 1.00
00:11:17.000 Unless you date a white woman from the Midwest, then she probably smoking Newports and drinking Pepsis and Coca-Cola just like you. 1.00
00:11:23.000 But I think that's probably.
00:11:24.000 But I got so many bad habits that I need to change.
00:11:32.000 Our sponsor, our AI sponsor, Perplexity, says the menthol effect of cigarettes come from the chemical menthol itself, which is added as a flavoring and a sensory agent to the tobacco.
00:11:32.000 Here we go.
00:11:41.000 Menthol is naturally found in peppermint and other mint plants.
00:11:45.000 It can also be made synthetically in a lab.
00:11:47.000 Menthol activates cold-sensitive nerve receptors in the mouth, throat, and airways, creating a cooling sensation when you inhale smoke.
00:11:54.000 It's a mild anesthetic, numbing effect that reduces pain and irritation from hot, harsh cigarette smoke, making it feel smoother.
00:12:03.000 Menthol can suppress the cough reflex and dull early warnings or early warning signs of airway irritation, which make it easier to inhale more deeply and more often.
00:12:15.000 Menthol reduces the perceived harshness of nicotine and smoke.
00:12:19.000 The minty taste and smell plus the cooling feel act as a pleasant sensory cues that many smokers come to associate with satisfaction and craving.
00:12:28.000 Menthol can alter nicotine metabolism and the way nicotine acts on brain receptors, which may increase nicotine's reinforcing addictive effects.
00:12:37.000 In short, the menthol effect is not from nicotine, but from added menthol, which cools and numbs the airways, masks irritation, and can make cigarettes feel smoother and more addictive without making them any safer.
00:12:49.000 So menthol cigarettes appeal to black people because it's a cool cigarette.
00:12:54.000 It's cool.
00:12:55.000 That's what cooling makes so much sense by the brand cool cigarette because it makes shit.
00:12:59.000 That makes sense.
00:13:00.000 That's why they called it cool, I bet.
00:13:02.000 Damn, what white people do to destroy my community, man?
00:13:04.000 Destroy everybody.
00:13:06.000 Yeah.
00:13:06.000 They don't give a fuck about anybody.
00:13:08.000 Cool ain't cool.
00:13:09.000 Half ain't wide.
00:13:10.000 Body ain't soul.
00:13:12.000 Mild ain't bold.
00:13:14.000 Cool ain't cool.
00:13:15.000 Newport is.
00:13:17.000 Oh, because that was like a take on cools because people used to smoke cools.
00:13:21.000 Do cools exist anymore?
00:13:23.000 In jail.
00:13:24.000 Only in jail?
00:13:25.000 I think that, I think, I don't know what the ratios, what cigarette gets you more money in a dice game, but whenever I hear people telling war stories, they like, man, I got a pack, I got a carton of cools for a bag of Doritos or something, but the value of a cool cigarette is higher in prison.
00:13:45.000 Isn't it crazy that they give you cigarettes in prison?
00:13:47.000 That's crazy.
00:13:48.000 It's like the only drug you can get in prison.
00:13:50.000 Yeah, and those.
00:13:51.000 You can't get alcohol, right?
00:13:53.000 Well, you can get hooch.
00:13:54.000 Well, you can't get alcohol, but they make their own type of stuff.
00:13:57.000 It's all under the table.
00:13:59.000 Yeah.
00:14:00.000 But I think in prison, the things that hold the most value, I think it's tang, right?
00:14:08.000 It's that artificial flavored drink you do.
00:14:11.000 I think that it's...
00:14:12.000 Astronaut shit.
00:14:13.000 Yeah.
00:14:13.000 Cigarettes, Doritos.
00:14:13.000 Yep.
00:14:16.000 I heard honey buns hold their value.
00:14:19.000 And I heard candy bar.
00:14:21.000 But candy bars, you got to be particular with that.
00:14:23.000 Because if you offer, this is what I hear.
00:14:26.000 If you offer a person a certain amount of candy bars, then what I understand is that you're inviting them to have sexual intercourse with you. 0.77
00:14:34.000 Interesting.
00:14:34.000 Yeah.
00:14:35.000 Candy bars.
00:14:36.000 Yeah, like you, I don't think.
00:14:37.000 You want some candy bars?
00:14:38.000 And that's like code.
00:14:39.000 Yeah, it's like Pizzagate with Pizza.
00:14:42.000 Mr. Goodbar for this Good Bar.
00:14:43.000 Oh, okay.
00:14:44.000 This is only, not that I've had those experiences, Joe, but this is the times that I frequent the streets, which aren't anymore, not too often.
00:14:53.000 These are the stories that they tell.
00:14:54.000 Interesting.
00:14:55.000 Yeah.
00:14:55.000 Yeah.
00:14:56.000 And these facts, you don't need them for anything but for barbershop talk, but these are the conversations that I have that I've heard people have.
00:15:04.000 It's interesting how different brands market to different people.
00:15:08.000 And I mean, how do they figure it out?
00:15:10.000 Like, what do they work?
00:15:12.000 Like, that's where it's evil, right?
00:15:15.000 Like, advertising itself, I don't have a problem with, but I did, there is something weird about deceptive advertising that's legal, you know?
00:15:26.000 Well, they do a history on what people like.
00:15:30.000 I was watching or reading a story about the people that started Forever 21.
00:15:35.000 I forget what the brand was.
00:15:36.000 It was some Koreans from South Korea, not to be confused with Kim Jong-un in those people.
00:15:42.000 But they were tailors of something.
00:15:44.000 They started a small boutique.
00:15:45.000 And what they would do is they would have these clothing pieces of clothes, and they would really pay particular attention to what colors people like, what was selling the most, whatever.
00:16:00.000 And one of the things that made Forever 21 so popular because they had really inexpensive, the clothes weren't expensive, but they was turning them over so quick.
00:16:00.000 And that's what they buy.
00:16:09.000 You know, so people do do case studies and see what people are attracted to.
00:16:15.000 I know with black people, you put lemon pepper on anything. 1.00
00:16:20.000 It's going to go out the roof.
00:16:22.000 You could do lemon pepper, chicken wings, lemon pepper, french fries, anything, lemon pepper.
00:16:26.000 They're going to go, I don't know who started the whole lemon pepper craze, but you lemon pepper, anything, black people are going to buy it.
00:16:32.000 That's interesting, like how white people are associated with very bland foods.
00:16:37.000 You know, macaroni, cheese, mashed potatoes, mayonnaise.
00:16:42.000 And you know why you're connected with that blandness?
00:16:44.000 Because the way you pronounced it.
00:16:46.000 Macaroni and cheese?
00:16:47.000 You'd never, ever say, if you tell somebody, if you say, and you would be able to be invited to the cookout, Joe, you know, people like you.
00:16:57.000 If you say, hey, guys, I'm coming to a cookout, right?
00:17:02.000 And I'm bringing macaroni and cheese, you're going to get uninvited to the cookout.
00:17:07.000 How should I say that?
00:17:08.000 Mac and cheese.
00:17:08.000 Mac and cheese.
00:17:09.000 Yeah, you can't say macaroni and cheese.
00:17:11.000 Nobody ever does that.
00:17:14.000 They would look at you as a spy.
00:17:15.000 You would get invited and invited.
00:17:17.000 I'm a different type of white person because I'm Italian, and we're associated with spicy food.
00:17:22.000 Very strong flavors.
00:17:24.000 Yeah, but...
00:17:25.000 It's a different...
00:17:26.000 Like, Italian people don't like bland food.
00:17:28.000 So you're not going to say spicy, very flavorful food.
00:17:31.000 I'm bringing baked Ziti to the barbecue.
00:17:33.000 You'll be like, I'm bringing Ziti, right?
00:17:36.000 I would say baked Ziti.
00:17:37.000 Yeah, because there's different kinds of Ziti.
00:17:39.000 You know, the Ziti that you bake and then the Ziti that you just boil and put, you know, marinara sauce on.
00:17:45.000 I will say this.
00:17:46.000 As much as, you know, community make fun of white people and their lack of seasoning, that can save your life. 0.98
00:17:56.000 Lack of seasoning can save your life?
00:17:58.000 Yeah, so when you think about, you look at somebody, one of the most country home-cooked soul food spot, the one ingredient that's in everything that you taste right off the rip is salt.
00:18:12.000 How do you feel?
00:18:12.000 Salt's not bad for you at all.
00:18:14.000 Then why do we think salt is all bullshit?
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00:19:27.000 Salt is an essential mineral.
00:19:29.000 You need salt to survive.
00:19:31.000 Salt is not the problem.
00:19:32.000 They associate salt with high blood pressure, salt with this, salt.
00:19:36.000 It's not true.
00:19:37.000 It's bullshit.
00:19:38.000 What type of salt?
00:19:39.000 Is it a different song?
00:19:39.000 Is it like...
00:19:40.000 No, it's not.
00:19:41.000 Salt's not bad for you.
00:19:42.000 Well, first of all, there's iodized salt, which is actually good for you because it contains iodine.
00:19:47.000 They add iodine to it, which is good for you.
00:19:50.000 But salt is not a bad thing.
00:19:52.000 I mean, you shouldn't have too much salt.
00:19:55.000 Look, if you eat enough salt, you can't be the person to educate me with this.
00:19:58.000 So all of these years, it's a people getting their toes chopped off.
00:20:04.000 That's the table.
00:20:05.000 That's not why.
00:20:05.000 That's not why.
00:20:06.000 If you're getting diabetes, it's usually from sugar.
00:20:09.000 You know, there's been a lot of misinformation that's spread because of actual scientists that were bribed by the sugar industry.
00:20:09.000 Okay.
00:20:19.000 So the sugar industry, they paid a bunch of Harvard scientists.
00:20:23.000 It was Harvard, right?
00:20:24.000 I believe it was.
00:20:25.000 They didn't even give them a lot of money.
00:20:27.000 Was it the 1950s or 1960s, Jamie?
00:20:29.000 Do you remember?
00:20:30.000 So this has all been outed now.
00:20:33.000 But what they did was they tried to associate saturated fat and foods with saturated fat with being responsible for heart disease.
00:20:42.000 And they did that to try to get the blame off of sugar.
00:20:46.000 Because sugar is fucking terrible for you.
00:20:48.000 It's terrible in basically every way, especially added sugar.
00:20:51.000 So why are all of these diseases that we speak of are more happening in the black community than it's diet. 0.94
00:21:01.000 It's 100%.
00:21:02.000 It's sugar.
00:21:03.000 It's processed food.
00:21:04.000 It's diet.
00:21:05.000 It's sugar.
00:21:05.000 It's sugary drinks.
00:21:07.000 It's the amount of sugar, like if you say, if you drink like a one liter Pepsi, the amount of sugar that is, okay, let's find that out.
00:21:15.000 How much sugar is in a one-liter Pepsi?
00:21:18.000 You drink several of these a day.
00:21:20.000 One of them, I believe, is more sugar than you're ever supposed to have in a day.
00:21:24.000 Pepsi is the one, and that's why it was— Well, it could be Coca-Cola.
00:21:27.000 It could be Pepsi, Mountain Dew.
00:21:28.000 I don't know.
00:21:28.000 I think it's 100%.
00:21:29.000 Pick your poison.
00:21:30.000 I think it's 100% Pepsi.
00:21:32.000 Well, Pepsi is, I don't know, does Pepsi have more sugar than Coca-Cola?
00:21:36.000 I don't know.
00:21:37.000 You know, Coca-Cola is one of the only things that's still flavored with cocaine leaf.
00:21:43.000 Sugar content, 115, 123 grams in a one-liter bottle.
00:21:48.000 That's a crazy amount of sugar.
00:21:50.000 25 teaspoons, 35 sugar cubes.
00:21:54.000 God damn it.
00:21:54.000 That's 130%, 138% of the recommended daily value of sugar.
00:22:01.000 That's where people are getting type 2 diabetes.
00:22:03.000 They're getting it from excess sugar.
00:22:05.000 Specifically, excess sugar, like in a liquid form, your body does not know what the fuck to do with that because nowhere in nature do you get sugar in a liquid form like that.
00:22:15.000 Like even orange juice.
00:22:17.000 Like people think orange juice is good for you.
00:22:19.000 It's not.
00:22:20.000 Like drinking orange juice, yeah, you're going to get some vitamin D, but you're also going to, vitamin C, rather, but you're also going to get a gigantic dose of sugar that has no fiber in it.
00:22:29.000 But it's a different type of blood sugar and fruits and vegetables than what you get off the counter.
00:22:34.000 You get fructose rather than high fructose corn syrup.
00:22:38.000 You know, look, sugar from fruit is the best sugar for you because it's attached to fiber.
00:22:43.000 And that's a slow release sugar.
00:22:45.000 Like if you eat an apple, and apples aren't bad for you.
00:22:48.000 It's a natural way that your body consumes sugar. 0.53
00:22:51.000 Apples were bad for Adam.
00:22:54.000 I don't even know if it was an apple.
00:22:55.000 It was appropriate.
00:22:56.000 It was a fruit.
00:22:57.000 It was a fruit from the tree of knowledge.
00:22:59.000 The tree of knowledge.
00:23:00.000 It was an apple.
00:23:02.000 It was an apple.
00:23:03.000 But it wasn't an apple tree.
00:23:05.000 What specifically does the Bible refer to as the fruit?
00:23:08.000 Adam and Eve, Adam.
00:23:09.000 You know the truth?
00:23:11.000 Eve never talked to God.
00:23:13.000 Adam talked to God.
00:23:14.000 Adam told God not to eat the fruit.
00:23:18.000 There's nowhere in the Bible does it say that Adam went and told Eve.
00:23:21.000 This is why we should start not just shutting women down to listening to them.
00:23:28.000 It all started all the time.
00:23:29.000 Genesis does not specifically specify, rather, what kind of fruit Adam ate, only that it calls it fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
00:23:38.000 Yeah, so it's not necessarily an apple.
00:23:40.000 We call it an apple.
00:23:43.000 The text never names the species, apple, fig, etc.
00:23:46.000 The Hebrew word is peri, a general term meaning fruit without a botanical detail.
00:23:51.000 Where the apple idea came from over time, Jewish and Christian interpreters proposed many candidates, including fig, grape, pomegranate, citron, and others.
00:24:01.000 Now, common idea is that an apple developed later in European tradition, helped by wordplay in Latin and Old French, where the words evil and apple or fruit sounded or were spelled similarly.
00:24:13.000 So it's not necessarily an apple.
00:24:15.000 I really don't know what to believe.
00:24:17.000 I feel like I get so much more information when I come here.
00:24:20.000 I don't know if people understand that.
00:24:22.000 Well, the crazy thing is that, I mean, I've found this out recently because I've actually been reading the Bible, that there's no reference whatsoever to Adam telling Eve, you're not supposed to eat the fruit from the plant with the knowledge of good and evil.
00:24:38.000 I never knew that.
00:24:39.000 Yeah.
00:24:40.000 I just knew it's just Adam.
00:24:41.000 It was a woman with an apple and his shit got fucked up after that. 0.99
00:24:44.000 What happened was God created Adam.
00:24:46.000 This is what Genesis says.
00:24:47.000 God created Adam and then told Adam, go and name all the animals.
00:24:51.000 And then when he was done with that, Adam made Eve.
00:24:55.000 But he never said, it never says in the Bible, Adam told Eve, do not eat the apple.
00:25:02.000 Who's given us this misinformation?
00:25:04.000 Well, the problem with the Bible is, first of all, that it was an oral tradition forever.
00:25:10.000 So it was an oral tradition for a long time before it was ever written down.
00:25:14.000 Then it was written down in a bunch of ancient languages.
00:25:17.000 It was written down in ancient Hebrew.
00:25:18.000 It was written down in Aramaic, Aramaic.
00:25:21.000 And then when you translate ancient Hebrew to first, they translated it to Latin, and then they translated it to Greek and all these other, maybe Greek first.
00:25:31.000 I forget which one was first.
00:25:32.000 But either way, the translations miss a lot of the language.
00:25:37.000 It's very complicated.
00:25:38.000 Ancient Hebrew is a very complicated language.
00:25:41.000 And numbers double as letters in ancient Hebrew.
00:25:44.000 So ancient Hebrew doesn't have numbers.
00:25:46.000 All their words have a numerical value to them.
00:25:49.000 What do you think makes people so connected to the Bible?
00:25:55.000 Is it because of wanting to believe in something?
00:25:59.000 Definitely.
00:26:00.000 Definitely wanting to believe in something.
00:26:02.000 And then specifically, if you look at like the teachings of Jesus Christ, if you follow them, I think it'll lead to a better life.
00:26:09.000 I think it makes you a better person, makes you a better member of the community.
00:26:13.000 It reinforces community.
00:26:16.000 It's like a really good way to live your life.
00:26:18.000 So I think people that live that way, that actually live that way, they're better examples of human beings.
00:26:24.000 So that makes it reinforced.
00:26:26.000 But it's also people, there's a lot of other religions that people believe in that don't have those aspects to them.
00:26:32.000 People want to believe things.
00:26:33.000 People want to believe in things, even if you like, like Scientology.
00:26:37.000 People deeply believe in Scientology.
00:26:39.000 And we know it was written by a science fiction author who was a bad science fiction author.
00:26:44.000 L. Ron Hubbard wrote some terrible books.
00:26:46.000 Like that guy would just bang books out.
00:26:48.000 He never rewrote shit.
00:26:50.000 Everything was a first draft.
00:26:52.000 He wrote more fiction than any human being that's ever lived.
00:26:56.000 And he also wrote Scientology.
00:26:58.000 And people believe in it.
00:26:59.000 But I do believe people.
00:27:00.000 I think people, like you say, people want to, if your life is fucked up, whatever, they want to be able to say, okay, this is my Savior.
00:27:07.000 If I believe in this, it's going to get me on the right track.
00:27:10.000 And then with that, with these, like Druski just did a skit that went viral, right?
00:27:10.000 100%.
00:27:16.000 And it was like he was making fun of the mega churches and everything.
00:27:19.000 But these churches, like, they give these people something to believe in, make them feel better, and they charge people.
00:27:26.000 Do you think that there should be a separation?
00:27:28.000 If I inspire you, if my writings or my speeches inspire you to want to do something and change your life and be more financially secure, do you think these people are entitled to like, okay, almost like agencies, if I get you to work or get you there, should you hit me off?
00:27:44.000 Or the mega churches, is it so wrong for me just to pour all their money into them?
00:27:48.000 Or are they giving these people something to believe in?
00:27:51.000 If that's the case, do I supposed to get a piece of that?
00:27:53.000 I think they're preying on people's need to believe in things.
00:27:56.000 And I think they're very predatory.
00:27:58.000 And I think that's why they're flying private jets and driving Rolls-Royces and living in mega mansions on giant ranches.
00:28:04.000 And they're doing it all off of donations of people that are barely getting by.
00:28:08.000 That's a lot of it.
00:28:09.000 You know, I think it's a scam that's legal.
00:28:12.000 I think if we were a just and righteous society, it wouldn't be legal.
00:28:16.000 Right.
00:28:17.000 I mean, you're taking advantage of people when they need something to believe in and you're asking for all their money.
00:28:25.000 Like, I remember I was watching this guy on TV once, like, televangelists are the worst.
00:28:31.000 And this guy was saying that if you are broke, you should borrow money to donate it to the church and it will be paid back to you tenfold.
00:28:40.000 That God will pay you back tenfold.
00:28:42.000 And then he had all these examples of people that did it and they would call in and say, I was $1,000 in debt and this and that, but I borrowed $100 and I donated it to you.
00:28:51.000 And now all of a sudden I drive a Rolls-Royce and it's all horseshit.
00:28:54.000 But those are all desperate, desperate people.
00:28:58.000 Desperate people.
00:28:58.000 Those are the same people that I'm going to spend $30 on a lottery every day for like fucking 50 years and don't know how much that's another scam.
00:29:06.000 Not only is that a scam, here's the scam about the lottery.
00:29:06.000 That's another scam.
00:29:09.000 Not only does, like say if everyone pumps money into the lottery, say you buy $100 worth of tickets and Jamie buys $100 worth of tickets and I buy $100.
00:29:18.000 So there's $300 in the lottery.
00:29:21.000 There's not even $300 available to pay.
00:29:24.000 If you win.
00:29:25.000 And then if you win, you don't get all the money.
00:29:28.000 You get the money over a long period of time.
00:29:31.000 It's given options.
00:29:32.000 Right, right, right.
00:29:33.000 But if you take the second option, it's a significantly like here's a good example of it.
00:29:38.000 Speaking of the Epstein files.
00:29:40.000 What do you mean speaking of the company Zorro Trust?
00:29:44.000 I didn't like that transition.
00:29:46.000 You look me right in my eyes and say, speaking of the Epstein. 0.86
00:29:48.000 Well, Epstein, we were talking about it before the podcast.
00:29:50.000 No, Epstein came to see you.
00:29:52.000 No, Epstein did not fucking come to see you.
00:29:53.000 They came to see me.
00:29:54.000 They loved your show.
00:29:55.000 Yo.
00:29:56.000 He was the number one fan.
00:29:57.000 First of all, I never.
00:30:01.000 You don't know.
00:30:02.000 Look, they came to West Palm improv because you're a famous comedian and you were playing in the town where he lived.
00:30:08.000 So what are you saying?
00:30:09.000 Nothing.
00:30:10.000 But what I'm saying is that what I'm saying is Epstein won the lottery.
00:30:15.000 His company, Zorro Trust, won an $80 million lottery.
00:30:20.000 And then they took the payoff.
00:30:22.000 And the payoff was only $30 million.
00:30:27.000 What do you mean when you say win?
00:30:29.000 His company bought a ticket for the lottery.
00:30:32.000 Yes, Zorro Trust, which is his company.
00:30:34.000 They won the lottery, which is very suspicious.
00:30:37.000 Not only that, he won the lottery right after he was arrested and went to jail for fucking kids or having sex or whatever he was arrested for.
00:30:44.000 Sexual hand jobs, whatever it was.
00:30:46.000 So there's nothing wrong with that.
00:30:48.000 No, but when they're underage girls, probably not.
00:30:50.000 Oh, I didn't know that.
00:30:52.000 So then when he went and got the lottery money, the company took the payoff.
00:30:58.000 The payoff out of an $80 million payment, the $80 million jackpot, was only $30 million.
00:31:04.000 So if you want the money, you take $30.
00:31:06.000 So not only did they take $50 out of the 80, but then you think about how many people spent money buying lottery tickets is way more than $80 million.
00:31:16.000 So they make money off of that, and then they make money off of the fact that you want the payoff instead of the, you know, the overall.
00:31:23.000 So they never could, it doesn't matter what the jackpot becomes, they never can lose.
00:31:27.000 They can't lose.
00:31:28.000 They're stealing money from people that are desperate.
00:31:30.000 It's legalized gambling where the house always wins.
00:31:35.000 Like, let's find that out.
00:31:36.000 Like, let's say, let's find an average jackpot of mega bucks and find out how much money actually goes into it, how much money people spend versus how much money the payout is.
00:31:51.000 So, when this, all lottos are state-regulated, right?
00:31:56.000 Right?
00:31:57.000 I don't know who regulates.
00:31:57.000 I don't know.
00:31:58.000 Okay, so they get, say, they get $100 million from people trying to win $1 billion.
00:32:07.000 It's because the state regulates, do they have to pay taxes to the government for the money they know?
00:32:13.000 That's the state.
00:32:14.000 The government owns it.
00:32:16.000 So it's whatever the not only that, you pay taxes on it.
00:32:20.000 So if the winner pays taxes.
00:32:22.000 So say if you take that $30 million payout, you don't even get $30 million.
00:32:22.000 Yeah, yeah, of course.
00:32:26.000 Then you have to pay taxes on that $30 million.
00:32:28.000 So they get money from that too.
00:32:29.000 So they can't fucking lose.
00:32:31.000 But for a person that's never barely seen $1,000 anywhere, anything with millionaire, they're going to be excited about and take it before they get it.
00:32:39.000 Exactly.
00:32:39.000 Exactly.
00:32:40.000 And over time, most people are not going to win.
00:32:43.000 So most people are dumping money into it.
00:32:45.000 There was a story of a young lady.
00:32:47.000 I don't know exactly what it was.
00:32:49.000 I think she won some type of lottery where they gave her two options.
00:32:53.000 She would get, I think it was like a payout of like two or three million right up front, or they give her, I think it was like $20,000 every month for as long as she lived. 0.66
00:33:05.000 Yeah, that's how they do it.
00:33:06.000 And she did this.
00:33:06.000 Well, people think that it's kind of crazy, but if you consider the fact that she was probably 20, 21, her life expectancy probably, she was white, so she probably lived to 132.
00:33:16.000 You know what I'm saying?
00:33:17.000 She looked like, that was a smart thing. 0.78
00:33:19.000 A lot of people would not understand that.
00:33:20.000 That was a smart thing.
00:33:22.000 I don't think it's for the rest of your life.
00:33:24.000 I think it's until it reaches that number.
00:33:27.000 I don't think they're going to give you money for the rest of your life.
00:33:29.000 Well, maybe I was reading the headline.
00:33:31.000 It was a different kind of lottery that I'm not aware of.
00:33:33.000 Maybe I think it was something as long as she lives.
00:33:36.000 That sounds crazy.
00:33:37.000 Yeah.
00:33:37.000 All right, here it is.
00:33:38.000 Typical mega millions jackpot run.
00:33:40.000 Total ticket revenue is usually several times the advertised jackpot.
00:33:44.000 But there's no single fixed average because sales vary enormously with the jackpot size.
00:33:49.000 Still, you can get a good ballpark.
00:33:51.000 So around 50% of ticket revenue goes into the overall prize pool.
00:33:56.000 So the government makes 50% right off the bat.
00:33:58.000 So if it's $100 million payout, they already made $100 million.
00:34:03.000 So that's $200 million is what they made.
00:34:05.000 They throw in $100 million for everybody.
00:34:08.000 Of that prize pool, roughly two-thirds to three-quarters is allocated to the jackpot with the rest funding lower tier prizes.
00:34:16.000 So that means even if there's $200 million out of the $100 million, only two-thirds of it goes into the big jackpot.
00:34:25.000 And that means the jackpot is typically in the order of one-third of total ticket sales that run.
00:34:32.000 And then out of that one-third, so say if it's $100 million, or with the Epstein case, it was $80 million.
00:34:37.000 He took the payout, which was $30 million.
00:34:39.000 So they make $50 on top of that.
00:34:41.000 And then on top of that, you pay taxes on that 30.
00:34:45.000 It's a crazy situation.
00:34:46.000 What do they do with the money?
00:34:47.000 Whatever the fuck they want.
00:34:49.000 I think they probably.
00:34:50.000 I think in certain neighborhoods, I think they probably pump a certain amount of winning tickets into a neighborhood just to get you addicted to keep going in there and spend your money.
00:35:00.000 Well, it's supposed to be random.
00:35:02.000 You know, I don't know how much oversight.
00:35:05.000 Look, if a guy like Jeffrey Epstein can win, I don't know how much oversight is it.
00:35:08.000 I know back in Boston when I lived there, Whitey Bolger won. 0.92
00:35:13.000 See if this is true.
00:35:14.000 I think he won the lotto twice, which is crazy.
00:35:18.000 Whitey Bulger, who was that?
00:35:19.000 That's something that's not.
00:35:19.000 Whitey Bulger was a South Boston mob boss in the 1980s when I lived there, the 1980s and 90s.
00:35:30.000 A mob boss?
00:35:31.000 Yeah, he was a dangerous, dangerous guy.
00:35:34.000 He was the guy that that movie that Leonardo DiCaprio starred in with Jack Nicholson.
00:35:40.000 What was that movie, Jamie?
00:35:41.000 Remember that movie that was based on Whitey Bulger?
00:35:45.000 The Departed?
00:35:46.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, Departed, yeah.
00:35:47.000 Okay.
00:35:47.000 Yeah.
00:35:47.000 That was based on Whitey Bulger.
00:35:49.000 He was a gangster?
00:35:50.000 Oh, yeah.
00:35:51.000 Terrifying gangster.
00:35:52.000 Yeah.
00:35:53.000 What was his demise?
00:35:55.000 He was actually a fucking FBI informant.
00:35:58.000 Not only was he a gangster, he was working with the FBI and they were letting him get away with shit because he was throwing other people under the bus.
00:36:05.000 I think there's a different, I mean.
00:36:07.000 They wound up catching him in Santa Monica.
00:36:09.000 Well, I found that.
00:36:11.000 Hunting Whitey. 1.00
00:36:12.000 About that Whitey Bulger won the Mass Millions lottery about that time. 0.97
00:36:16.000 Yeah.
00:36:17.000 Yeah, he won the fucking lottery, man.
00:36:20.000 So this is what it says here.
00:36:24.000 What does it say?
00:36:27.000 I think it was more of a scheme than they actually won, but it's always taking money.
00:36:31.000 That's probably a way to launder money. 1.00
00:36:33.000 Yeah.
00:36:33.000 Oh, 100%.
00:36:34.000 It's a way to launder money.
00:36:35.000 So the way it would work was, like, say if you lived in the community and you won the lottery ticket, maybe they would give you money for your lottery ticket and then he would get it.
00:36:44.000 And that way, it would show that this is where he got his income from.
00:36:48.000 Like, these guys would all own businesses.
00:36:51.000 But the reason why they would own businesses is so they could show why they drive a Cadillac, why they have a mansion, why they have this, because they have legitimate businesses.
00:36:51.000 Right.
00:36:59.000 But really, these businesses were scams.
00:37:01.000 My father convinced my family that he was a real estate agent for years and come to find out he was a heroin kingpin in D.C. for years.
00:37:08.000 All we needed was an excuse.
00:37:09.000 He's selling real estate, all right?
00:37:11.000 That's hilarious.
00:37:13.000 So he ordered the real winner to sign the ticket over with Whitey and two associates paying $2.3 million in cash for 50% of the winnings. 0.57
00:37:24.000 Bulger himself paid Michael Linsky $700,000.
00:37:27.000 Although Linsky lost money in the deal, he really had no choice.
00:37:30.000 It came down to selling the ticket or risking his life.
00:37:33.000 Yeah, so that's how it usually works.
00:37:36.000 So he was a snitch.
00:37:37.000 Whitey was a snitch. 1.00
00:37:39.000 He was a snitch and he got caught in Santa Monica.
00:37:39.000 Yeah.
00:37:42.000 A snitch or a whistleblower.
00:37:43.000 There is a difference.
00:37:44.000 No, he was a snitch.
00:37:45.000 Whistleblowers are people that snitch on people in higher profile positions like corporate America.
00:37:49.000 But what I'm finding out.
00:37:50.000 No, he wasn't a whistleblower.
00:37:51.000 He was an actual snitch because he was turning other people in.
00:37:55.000 Dude, he was a kingpin.
00:37:56.000 Is this true?
00:37:58.000 And I don't want to make everything about race.
00:38:00.000 Is that phrase snitches, get snitches, more prevalent in the white community or the black community or it's across the board?
00:38:07.000 I think it's across the board, isn't it?
00:38:09.000 Like the black community is famous for keeping their mouth shut when someone gets shot or when someone does something, like when cops come and question. 1.00
00:38:16.000 I don't know that's the truth anymore because what I'm.
00:38:18.000 Not anymore.
00:38:18.000 But that was the thing with the mafia, too.
00:38:20.000 The mob would never rat out.
00:38:20.000 Yeah.
00:38:21.000 Guys would just go to jail.
00:38:22.000 I'm interested now because now I see, like, especially in my community, so many people like, rat, I got the paperwork and everything.
00:38:30.000 And now it feels like that model of being loyal is dead.
00:38:38.000 Like people now getting caught with shit.
00:38:41.000 And the minute they get caught, they snitch on everybody.
00:38:43.000 Right.
00:38:44.000 And there's no repercussions when they come home.
00:38:47.000 There's no repercussions.
00:38:48.000 I don't see that as much.
00:38:49.000 I see so many people that are like, they're saying whatever the fuck they want to do, whatever.
00:38:54.000 And they still out here just living their lives normal like nothing fucking happened.
00:38:58.000 Well, with the mob, it was always like if you ratted on the mob, you were a dead man.
00:39:02.000 You were a dead man.
00:39:03.000 Your family was probably dead.
00:39:04.000 They burned your house down.
00:39:06.000 And people kept their mouth shut because of that.
00:39:08.000 And so guys would go to jail all the time and never open their mouth and they would be rewarded when they would get out.
00:39:14.000 And they'd have a party for him, celebrate.
00:39:16.000 That's in good fellas.
00:39:17.000 You kept your mouth shut.
00:39:18.000 He never said nothing.
00:39:19.000 That was the whole thing.
00:39:20.000 But the whole thing, I used to live.
00:39:22.000 That changed, though, like with John Gotti.
00:39:25.000 Like the government.
00:39:27.000 No, Sammy the Bull.
00:39:28.000 Sammy the Bull.
00:39:29.000 And it wasn't just them.
00:39:30.000 Like, everyone was snitching on everybody.
00:39:33.000 It's like they got these guys.
00:39:34.000 And, you know, we had Donnie Brasco in the studio.
00:39:38.000 From that Bronx. 0.90
00:39:40.000 Johnny Depp movie.
00:39:41.000 It was called Donnie Brasco.
00:39:43.000 Okay.
00:39:45.000 I'm not confused that with him.
00:39:46.000 What's his real Donny Brasco's real name?
00:39:50.000 Joe.
00:39:51.000 I'm not confused.
00:39:52.000 Bronx Tale.
00:39:52.000 That's not Bronx.
00:39:53.000 Joe Pistone.
00:39:54.000 Joe Pistone.
00:39:55.000 That's nothing to do with Bronx Tale, right?
00:39:56.000 No.
00:39:57.000 Different story.
00:39:57.000 That's a different story.
00:39:59.000 Yeah.
00:40:00.000 So Donnie Brasco was the guy who was an agent and he pretended to be a mob guy.
00:40:06.000 And he got in with the mob and was with them for like seven years, did all kinds of shit with the mob and then sold everybody out and they all went under.
00:40:15.000 Yeah, I don't know.
00:40:15.000 I'm just so the culture, everything is, there used to be a phrase snitches get stitches.
00:40:21.000 Now, I don't know if this just everywhere, but everywhere I go, it's like the most interesting thing now that's selling on any platform, especially social media, is beef.
00:40:30.000 And I don't understand why people gravitate toward negativity more than anything.
00:40:36.000 That's normal.
00:40:37.000 Why?
00:40:38.000 It's interesting.
00:40:38.000 But you know what?
00:40:39.000 Your platform is not known for that.
00:40:41.000 No.
00:40:42.000 Your platform, but I go to these other platforms and I don't know.
00:40:46.000 I think these guys, people, they just sit back and it's like, okay, what can I say to make people upset, get them riled up, and then I take advantage of the engagement that they do.
00:40:59.000 They're in a different game than me.
00:41:01.000 Their game is trying to get engagement.
00:41:01.000 All right.
00:41:03.000 My game is talking to people that are.
00:41:05.000 But maybe that doesn't that become, I don't want to be triggered or anything, but doesn't that become destructive after a while?
00:41:12.000 100%.
00:41:13.000 And do you have you noticed, especially, I'll put it like this, especially with comedians with podcasts.
00:41:21.000 It used to be a time where, like you say, a person would go on a podcast because it was interesting.
00:41:26.000 They told funny stories or they was good at their craft or whatever.
00:41:30.000 But now it feels like all these platforms, and I don't know that's just in my community, when I say that, black people, it's like the only way I can find myself interesting if I talk shit about people. 1.00
00:41:42.000 And motherfuckers are going away from being funny when you get interviewed. 0.94
00:41:50.000 Like every fucking podcast I turn on now, it's somebody, I'm exposed this person. 0.92
00:41:55.000 I'm going to tell this about what you didn't know.
00:41:58.000 And the one thing they're not doing, especially as a stand-up comedian, motherfuckers don't give a fuck about being funny no more. 1.00
00:42:04.000 Are those days over?
00:42:06.000 No, no, no, no.
00:42:07.000 Those people that do that are almost always not very talented.
00:42:12.000 Almost always.
00:42:12.000 The only exception is that.
00:42:13.000 So who they're fooling?
00:42:14.000 The only exception to that is Kat.
00:42:16.000 And I think what Kat was doing was different because what Kat was doing was exposing what he thought was snakes and liars.
00:42:22.000 Okay.
00:42:23.000 It's a different thing.
00:42:24.000 Okay, okay.
00:42:27.000 Okay.
00:42:28.000 This is my question.
00:42:29.000 Okay.
00:42:30.000 This is my question.
00:42:30.000 Okay.
00:42:31.000 Okay.
00:42:32.000 This is my question.
00:42:32.000 Peter can take it.
00:42:34.000 Okay.
00:42:35.000 Okay.
00:42:36.000 I want to say this.
00:42:37.000 This is what I'm saying, Joe.
00:42:38.000 What are you saying?
00:42:39.000 Coming from this place, I'm like this.
00:42:41.000 No disrespect or whatever to Kat, but like who asked you?
00:42:47.000 Shannon Sharp did.
00:42:49.000 When he did that podcast.
00:42:51.000 Shannon Sharp might have asked one question.
00:42:53.000 But Shannon Sharp likes that. 0.98
00:42:55.000 Like that in his relationship.
00:42:57.000 He likes a lot of that.
00:42:58.000 His people, they find questions. 0.86
00:43:00.000 He's got a sheet of paper.
00:43:01.000 But Joe, what do you do with those joke?
00:43:03.000 What do you do with those truths?
00:43:06.000 What do you do with talking about I watched, this is a horrible impression.
00:43:12.000 I sat there in the parking lot and I watched people go up at the Diddy's house and they came down and they were standing up.
00:43:18.000 I'm trying to figure out what the fuck do you get out of that?
00:43:24.000 What is the result of that?
00:43:26.000 You expose these people to say what?
00:43:28.000 Hollywood is never going to fucking change.
00:43:32.000 You know what changes?
00:43:33.000 Like what you do.
00:43:34.000 I left fucking Hollywood.
00:43:36.000 Hollywood is not going to change.
00:43:38.000 And I'm not saying I went to a Diddy party.
00:43:41.000 First off, I was never invited.
00:43:43.000 There's a chance I would accept the invitation with rules, you know?
00:43:47.000 But what is the purpose of exposing something that you don't think most people are exposing.
00:43:47.000 Right.
00:43:54.000 What most people are doing with their being negative is they are jealous and they are below the person to talk shit about.
00:44:01.000 Like whenever I see someone that's talking about Kat was jealous about, you don't think you say that and you use Cat Williams as an example.
00:44:10.000 So when you said they're jealous.
00:44:11.000 So first of all, when Cat did it, it was very funny.
00:44:14.000 Kat's a very funny guy.
00:44:14.000 It was very funny.
00:44:16.000 Very funny.
00:44:16.000 And when he was doing it, I think he was also being very funny while he was doing it, which is different.
00:44:21.000 Well, you have to put an LOL on the end of it because people might not understand his humor.
00:44:25.000 Because this is a connection people have.
00:44:27.000 This is what they said.
00:44:28.000 The connection they have with Kat, it's like, this is what they say.
00:44:31.000 They ride with him.
00:44:32.000 They say, where is the lie?
00:44:34.000 Where is the lie and all this stuff?
00:44:36.000 But I'm just trying to understand what is the purpose of exposing all this stuff.
00:44:40.000 What do we do with this information?
00:44:42.000 What do we do with the information that Diddy liked to have fucking freak parties with baby all this? 1.00
00:44:47.000 What the fuck do we do with all this information?
00:44:49.000 Well, Diddy's in jail right now, so they did that with the information.
00:44:51.000 Well, Diddy's in jail for doing something that a lot of people— Let me tell you something, Joe.
00:44:58.000 Tell me something.
00:45:00.000 I was riding with Diddy for once.
00:45:02.000 I liked the music he did or anything.
00:45:04.000 I don't know Diddy like that.
00:45:05.000 But when I first read the definition of sex trafficking, right?
00:45:14.000 I'm sure you're a first person.
00:45:15.000 You're smart.
00:45:16.000 The definition of sex trafficking, to transport a woman across state lines with the intent to have sexual intercourse with her.
00:45:24.000 Right.
00:45:25.000 When you're paying them, it's trafficking as.
00:45:25.000 When I heard that.
00:45:29.000 No, that's not.
00:45:30.000 Actually, my.
00:45:32.000 This is my, Jamie, you can pull this up.
00:45:34.000 Wait a minute.
00:45:34.000 So if you are dating a girl and she lives in Minnesota and you live in California and you fly her to California and I'm thinking about I don't think that's true.
00:45:45.000 I don't think that's true at all.
00:45:46.000 I think that's just flying a girl in that you're having a relationship with the streets. 0.98
00:45:49.000 They call it fluid out.
00:45:50.000 Fluid out.
00:45:51.000 Yeah, but that's normal.
00:45:52.000 Everybody does that.
00:45:53.000 But that's the definition.
00:45:55.000 Commercial sex act.
00:45:56.000 Yeah, commercial.
00:45:57.000 Commercial sex act induced by force, fraud, or coercion.
00:46:01.000 Huh?
00:46:02.000 Well, coercion's crazy. 0.82
00:46:03.000 Because coercion is like, please, I'll buy you a bag.
00:46:06.000 That's sex trafficking. 0.99
00:46:08.000 So, like, if a girl, right, if you're, if you.
00:46:10.000 If there's a girl, she's like, what are you going to do for me? 0.97
00:46:12.000 Like, you know those shoes you want?
00:46:13.000 I got those shoes for you.
00:46:14.000 Let's go shopping.
00:46:15.000 Like, that's kind of sex trafficking if that's coercion for money.
00:46:20.000 Like, if a girl's thinking about coming out to visit you and then you go, listen, listen, listen.
00:46:25.000 What are you looking for?
00:46:26.000 What do you want to buy?
00:46:27.000 I got money.
00:46:28.000 Come on, let's go shopping.
00:46:29.000 That kind of would fall into that category.
00:46:33.000 But look, we're getting off topic.
00:46:34.000 Let's go back to the topic originally in hand.
00:46:37.000 The reason why these curvatures are negative.
00:46:39.000 No, no, no, no.
00:46:39.000 I need to know.
00:46:40.000 You're not going to get in trouble for sex trafficking.
00:46:42.000 Listen, that's all horseshit.
00:46:44.000 But the reason why these comedians are doing it is because they're never bigger than the comedians they're shitting on.
00:46:51.000 Never.
00:46:51.000 1,000%.
00:46:53.000 1,000%.
00:46:53.000 Because you know what it is, Joe?
00:46:55.000 And they're never good.
00:46:56.000 You know what it is too, Joe?
00:46:58.000 Is that deep down inside, they want to be that person?
00:47:02.000 100%.
00:47:04.000 Or they want to be in the position that person's in is a better way of putting it.
00:47:08.000 I'll use this.
00:47:09.000 I'll tell you this story.
00:47:10.000 I realize that, not to say names, but it's so many people that could be guilty of it.
00:47:15.000 And this is the thing that I hear that understands me, that disturbs me, is that, you know, a lot of these people that bitch the most, they, at some point in their career, they were favored by Hollywood.
00:47:30.000 Yes.
00:47:30.000 At some point in their career, they had these opportunities.
00:47:33.000 At some point in their career, guess what?
00:47:35.000 They had the agencies.
00:47:37.000 They had the agents.
00:47:38.000 And something happened in their career where they fell out of favor for whatever you want to call that it.
00:47:43.000 Whatever you want to call that.
00:47:45.000 For whatever, maybe something they did.
00:47:46.000 Agency didn't like them too much.
00:47:48.000 And now everything that they wrote on, everything they wanted to do, now it's all that's fucked up. 0.97
00:47:54.000 And the only way you get this opportunity because it had to be sexual favors and all that type of shit. 0.97
00:47:59.000 And where did the fuck you draw the line?
00:48:00.000 But it's not even sexual.
00:48:02.000 I think they criticize the work of the other person.
00:48:05.000 That person ate shit.
00:48:06.000 That person scared.
00:48:08.000 Yo, there's.
00:48:09.000 Here's the thing.
00:48:10.000 There was.
00:48:12.000 You get this all the time because you ride with Dave and Dave's number one.
00:48:12.000 Come on.
00:48:16.000 Right.
00:48:16.000 So this is what I get.
00:48:18.000 You always get this label, even though you're a great comic, you get this label being a coattail rider.
00:48:23.000 And guess what?
00:48:23.000 Right.
00:48:25.000 Everybody don't.
00:48:26.000 This is what I try to explain to people, Joe.
00:48:28.000 Everybody does not have to be Batman.
00:48:33.000 I don't have a problem with being Robin.
00:48:37.000 Because Robin got the same amount of screen time as Batman.
00:48:37.000 You know why?
00:48:41.000 And the reason why I say, this is what I get, and I'm telling you this, Joe.
00:48:45.000 I don't know if this gum is kicking in.
00:48:50.000 This is what fucks me up, Joe.
00:48:52.000 This is what fucks me up.
00:48:53.000 And I'll tell you an example.
00:48:54.000 I'm going to give you an example.
00:48:55.000 Don't give me an example.
00:48:56.000 No, I'm going to tell you.
00:48:57.000 Oh, you're pulling out your phone.
00:48:58.000 I'm going to tell you why.
00:48:59.000 Because your fucking shirt is fucking triggering me, right?
00:49:02.000 Kill Tony?
00:49:04.000 I mean, the greatest comedy show of all time in the history of the known universe.
00:49:08.000 I know that, but there's a lot of lies involved.
00:49:10.000 Listen.
00:49:10.000 Okay.
00:49:12.000 This is what they say.
00:49:13.000 This is what they say.
00:49:14.000 Don't pay attention to me.
00:49:16.000 Listen.
00:49:16.000 Why are you doing that?
00:49:17.000 Yo, you told me.
00:49:18.000 What are you playing?
00:49:18.000 What things did the Kill Tony audience say about me?
00:49:21.000 Chappelle's butt plug is actually.
00:49:23.000 Oh, my God.
00:49:25.000 Yo, I got to deal with this shit.
00:49:28.000 What is so hard?
00:49:29.000 Well, you got to stop paying attention to it.
00:49:29.000 No.
00:49:31.000 It's so hard.
00:49:32.000 Do you know what would happen to me if I paid attention to all the haters that I have?
00:49:36.000 I would go crazy.
00:49:36.000 Yeah.
00:49:37.000 You would.
00:49:38.000 Do you think that you paid attention to those haters?
00:49:40.000 Now you're in a position where now you have so many reasons to say, fuck them.
00:49:43.000 Do you feel like you had that same belief when you was first starting this?
00:49:48.000 Did you engage them then?
00:49:49.000 Well, I engaged online with a lot of people in the early days because I didn't understand what you're doing is you're engaging with people that don't have happy lives.
00:49:59.000 Right.
00:50:00.000 And they're negative.
00:50:01.000 And there's some criticisms that are good for you because some criticisms make you evaluate what you're doing and say, okay, well, what I need to do is be undeniable so these critics mean nothing to me because you can't, I'm killing.
00:50:13.000 The audience loves me.
00:50:14.000 I'm selling out everywhere.
00:50:16.000 I'm doing great on stage.
00:50:18.000 You can't pay attention.
00:50:19.000 You know what?
00:50:20.000 I will say this.
00:50:21.000 I hear you, Joe.
00:50:22.000 I tried that with them motherfuckers on your shirt. 1.00
00:50:24.000 You had that show.
00:50:26.000 You had one bad show.
00:50:27.000 You had a bad show.
00:50:27.000 I never had.
00:50:29.000 You had a bad show.
00:50:30.000 Please don't do this to me.
00:50:31.000 You did.
00:50:31.000 You had that one bad show where you went back before.
00:50:33.000 You fucking have a fucking shit.
00:50:34.000 Did you walk off the show?
00:50:37.000 Get it, man.
00:50:39.000 Get the fuck down. 0.97
00:50:40.000 That's it.
00:50:40.000 I shit the fuck down.
00:50:41.000 I can walk off the show.
00:50:43.000 You want me to play it back?
00:50:45.000 Please don't do this.
00:50:47.000 You're a little drunk.
00:50:48.000 Please don't do it.
00:50:49.000 Who's the comic?
00:50:49.000 Who's the comic?
00:50:50.000 I don't know his name.
00:50:53.000 We don't need to bring him.
00:50:54.000 Whoever that dude is.
00:50:55.000 Yo, see, now you're doing this.
00:50:57.000 You know what you're doing.
00:50:59.000 You're being a provocatory on me.
00:51:01.000 You're provoking me because we broke this shit down.
00:51:04.000 And I don't want to keep going.
00:51:05.000 I wasn't thinking this when I was wearing this shirt.
00:51:07.000 I'll change the shirt.
00:51:08.000 No, it's okay.
00:51:09.000 Put something in the drawing shirt.
00:51:10.000 I'll wear a Benny the Jet shirt.
00:51:12.000 Let's break it down, Joe.
00:51:14.000 Oh, we don't have to.
00:51:15.000 If we have to, you started this shit.
00:51:17.000 All right.
00:51:17.000 Thank you.
00:51:19.000 I'm going to change my shirt right now.
00:51:20.000 It's like I didn't have a bad show.
00:51:23.000 You definitely didn't have a great show, right?
00:51:26.000 When you walk off, it's not good.
00:51:29.000 Jesus Christ, God talked.
00:51:36.000 I feel like Carrie.
00:51:37.000 They're all going to laugh at me.
00:51:39.000 They're going to laugh at me.
00:51:41.000 It wasn't this for the last fucking time, Joe.
00:51:46.000 For the last fucking time.
00:51:48.000 And this is what's so fucking evil about this situation that some people call it a bad show.
00:51:54.000 I never wanted to do the show.
00:51:57.000 But you came back on, you had a good show, right?
00:51:59.000 I want to go back.
00:52:00.000 Let's rewind.
00:52:02.000 All right?
00:52:03.000 And this is, you were part of it.
00:52:04.000 Hey, look, I changed my shirt.
00:52:06.000 No more triggers.
00:52:08.000 Shout out to Benny the Jet.
00:52:09.000 Okay, I feel a lot better now.
00:52:11.000 Oh, boy.
00:52:12.000 I need another piece of gum.
00:52:14.000 I'm going to say this.
00:52:15.000 Say what it's worth.
00:52:17.000 First off, I did not want the first time I did it here in Austin.
00:52:22.000 Right?
00:52:22.000 I didn't want to do the show.
00:52:24.000 And the reason why I didn't want to do the show, Joe, now you're not even paying attention to this.
00:52:24.000 Okay.
00:52:28.000 Do you want a cigar?
00:52:29.000 Yeah, I'll take a cigar.
00:52:31.000 I didn't want to do the show, and I'll tell you why.
00:52:33.000 Because the streets say I'm sensitive.
00:52:36.000 You are a little sensitive.
00:52:39.000 Can I not have your opinion and just listen to me, please?
00:52:45.000 They know I'm sensitive.
00:52:47.000 It was during the pandemic, Joe.
00:52:49.000 You remember, people would still come to do your podcast because they know the benefits of it and you had your thing doing.
00:52:56.000 They would come to your podcast and then they would fucking leave because they didn't want to catch COVID and then they would leave Tony stranded and he had no good guests.
00:53:06.000 I was here, right?
00:53:09.000 This one, when I'm talking about the time when Tony had a black band.
00:53:15.000 He still has a black band.
00:53:16.000 All black. 0.97
00:53:17.000 There's a couple black people on there now.
00:53:19.000 Me into it.
00:53:20.000 I think it's mostly black.
00:53:21.000 Right?
00:53:22.000 Okay.
00:53:23.000 I want to tell a story.
00:53:24.000 This is the last time I want to talk about it.
00:53:25.000 I mean, this is the last time, Joe.
00:53:25.000 Deep madness.
00:53:27.000 I want to tell a story.
00:53:28.000 Drummer guitar player or not.
00:53:30.000 What's that?
00:53:31.000 Mike.
00:53:32.000 I mean, it's like Horms.
00:53:35.000 A lot of them are black.
00:53:36.000 Definitely.
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00:54:56.000 Look at the old, when it was all not high production and all that type of shit.
00:55:01.000 Tony is like, it's hard for me to get a guess.
00:55:03.000 Would you stay?
00:55:04.000 And this is when you fucked me up the last time you wasn't playing fair.
00:55:07.000 Yes, you did.
00:55:08.000 I wasn't playing fair?
00:55:09.000 No, I'm telling you when you weren't playing fair.
00:55:11.000 When was I not playing fair?
00:55:12.000 Can I talk?
00:55:13.000 Please.
00:55:14.000 All I want to do.
00:55:15.000 I don't know if I got to raise my hand.
00:55:17.000 I just want to be able to speak.
00:55:18.000 It is my month.
00:55:19.000 It's my fucking month.
00:55:21.000 So Tony said, would you stay?
00:55:23.000 Come on.
00:55:23.000 I was like, you know.
00:55:24.000 And I stayed, right?
00:55:25.000 Okay.
00:55:26.000 And I stayed, and I stayed.
00:55:27.000 I was on his show for two and a half hours.
00:55:29.000 I told him, this is where it gets all crazy.
00:55:32.000 I told him I had something I was supposed to do later.
00:55:35.000 There was another black comic that was on his show.
00:55:37.000 He started roasting me.
00:55:38.000 I had no problem with that.
00:55:40.000 I had no problem with him roasting me, but I felt fucked up because it was only me, him.
00:55:44.000 And I was trying to give this guy some sound advice.
00:55:47.000 But the only way he thought he was going to get off, by fuck with me.
00:55:49.000 So I was like, yo, why you fuck with me?
00:55:52.000 We on this fucking same team.
00:55:54.000 What they did was, look at the fucking video.
00:55:57.000 Okay.
00:55:57.000 You see, I want you to slow it down.
00:56:00.000 Slow it down.
00:56:01.000 Slow the video down.
00:56:03.000 It's like a Zapruder film.
00:56:04.000 It's a background.
00:56:06.000 You got to left.
00:56:07.000 You're going to let me get my thought, Joe.
00:56:09.000 Sorry.
00:56:10.000 It's so easy for me to get distracted.
00:56:12.000 Just hang on.
00:56:17.000 So if you look at this video, you see him saying something to me.
00:56:22.000 And then when I leave, it's two different fucking comics on the fucking stage.
00:56:28.000 It's a dude that I was roasting.
00:56:30.000 And then they showed me the exit.
00:56:32.000 And then these kill Tony bitch ass motherfuckers. 1.00
00:56:35.000 And I'm telling you, I'll get past it.
00:56:37.000 They may, oh, Donnell walked off.
00:56:38.000 I didn't walk off.
00:56:39.000 I had some other shit to do.
00:56:41.000 And then the last episode, you and your boy, Tony, he caught here, and Tony doubled down on it.
00:56:48.000 And he said, no, that's not what happened.
00:56:49.000 Of course, them comic motherfuckers, the ones that be putting cringe on it, they rolled with it.
00:56:54.000 Okay.
00:56:55.000 Then I came back.
00:56:57.000 Came back.
00:56:58.000 He had an amazing show.
00:57:00.000 Tony said it was one of the best shows he's ever seen.
00:57:02.000 You know why it was amazing?
00:57:03.000 Because you were ready.
00:57:05.000 I'm amazing.
00:57:07.000 You are amazing, but also you wanted to get it back.
00:57:09.000 Right.
00:57:10.000 I didn't have, you know what?
00:57:12.000 This is what Redman said to me.
00:57:13.000 Red Band, Red Man.
00:57:15.000 Whatever the fuck his name is.
00:57:16.000 He changed too.
00:57:16.000 I'm going to tell you about him.
00:57:17.000 He was in the Wu-Tang.
00:57:18.000 And let me tell you.
00:57:20.000 I'm going to tell you the difference between him, and I'm going to tell you the similarities between him and Jamie a little later on, right?
00:57:25.000 How they're divas now. 1.00
00:57:25.000 Okay. 1.00
00:57:26.000 And I know you said.
00:57:27.000 Jamie?
00:57:28.000 My Jamie's a diva?
00:57:29.000 Yes, he has a false memory of someone already.
00:57:31.000 Just let him go.
00:57:32.000 Jamie was Jamie.
00:57:34.000 That's the last thing from a fucking hair joke.
00:57:36.000 I will defend Jamie to the bitter end.
00:57:38.000 Yo, maybe you don't know him.
00:57:40.000 Jamie?
00:57:40.000 I don't know Jamie.
00:57:41.000 Yo, let me tell you, this is Jamie.
00:57:43.000 I know Jamie better than his mom.
00:57:45.000 I know.
00:57:45.000 But this is the Jamie I saw.
00:57:49.000 Killed Tony after.
00:57:50.000 Sit down.
00:57:51.000 You're not on camera.
00:57:52.000 Okay, so it's also Saturday night.
00:57:53.000 Okay.
00:57:54.000 He had a leather jacket on.
00:57:55.000 Don't have a leather jacket.
00:57:56.000 Jamie had a leather jacket.
00:57:57.000 He didn't call it a leather jacket.
00:57:58.000 Whatever it was.
00:57:59.000 You own a leather jacket?
00:58:00.000 Wait, wait, wait.
00:58:00.000 No, he didn't.
00:58:01.000 Wait.
00:58:02.000 The collar was.
00:58:03.000 He's having a false memory.
00:58:04.000 Joe's collar was slipped up.
00:58:05.000 Like dice.
00:58:07.000 And then he had the shirt.
00:58:08.000 You might have had Timmy no brakes because he was.
00:58:10.000 He had to no brakes in the middle.
00:58:11.000 He had the shirt open to this button right here.
00:58:14.000 Oh, right.
00:58:15.000 Gold chains.
00:58:16.000 And he was sitting there.
00:58:16.000 I don't know what type of moose he was.
00:58:18.000 Jamie had gold chains, boots on his hair.
00:58:20.000 Ponytail was popping.
00:58:22.000 He had some type of moose or something, right?
00:58:25.000 And then he was just looking.
00:58:26.000 And I was like, what's up, Jamie?
00:58:28.000 He was like, he had his hands in his pocket.
00:58:30.000 It was giving, as they say, it was giving Fonzie attitude.
00:58:33.000 I knew.
00:58:34.000 I knew that it changed.
00:58:35.000 But this is what Redman, Red Man, whatever the man he was. 0.79
00:58:37.000 Red Band.
00:58:38.000 Red Man.
00:58:38.000 He said, after the show, he said, that must have been the most epic comeback and kill Tony history.
00:58:45.000 I was like, well, the second episode was.
00:58:47.000 You came back, fools.
00:58:49.000 You know what you're doing?
00:58:50.000 I don't know.
00:58:51.000 It was great.
00:58:51.000 I'm trying to use the term.
00:58:53.000 I don't think this past wrestler, but you fucking with my mentor.
00:58:56.000 No, I'm telling you, you're a great comic and you're funny as fuck and it was amazing.
00:59:00.000 That's what you said.
00:59:01.000 The second episode was great.
00:59:02.000 This is the point I'm making of what you're doing.
00:59:04.000 Right.
00:59:05.000 The first episode was great.
00:59:07.000 It was Dr. It was Dr. Williams.
00:59:15.000 He was doctor.
00:59:17.000 But then, here's the thing.
00:59:18.000 They said, Red Man, Red Band, he said, he said, that was the greatest comeback.
00:59:25.000 I was like, it wasn't a comeback.
00:59:26.000 You're editing what it was.
00:59:27.000 And this is what I did.
00:59:28.000 You're editing.
00:59:29.000 This is what I did.
00:59:31.000 And I'm not saying I think about the Kill Tony audience like that, but I thought about him.
00:59:36.000 This is what I said.
00:59:37.000 I was like, this is what I want.
00:59:38.000 Like you say, I'm a great comment.
00:59:39.000 I know what I do.
00:59:40.000 I say, you know what?
00:59:41.000 I don't want to give these motherfuckers an opportunity to be able to fuck with me.
00:59:44.000 So I did, before I went that last, I said, okay, what did you do last time that you're going to do different for they want to say that?
00:59:51.000 I was like, the last one, you had some drinks.
00:59:54.000 Well, I wasn't able to do anything about that because I had some more drinks.
00:59:57.000 But I was like, I tried to address what their concerns were, right?
01:00:01.000 Which with them, it's not going to make a difference because I know that last episode, this is what I didn't understand about Kill Tony.
01:00:08.000 I didn't understand the formula.
01:00:10.000 I don't watch it like that.
01:00:11.000 First time I ever did it, I was interrupting the one minute part.
01:00:15.000 You know what I mean?
01:00:16.000 And Tony told me, the first time I did it, he said, D, only one rule.
01:00:16.000 Oh, okay.
01:00:20.000 He said, let them talk for a minute.
01:00:22.000 I said, Tony, why you have this me on this show?
01:00:25.000 You know I'm going to break the rules.
01:00:27.000 He knew that, right?
01:00:28.000 But then after I, I was like, I understood how important it was to let those comics get that minute.
01:00:36.000 So when I did it a second time with Rob Schneider, I didn't interrupt.
01:00:36.000 Right.
01:00:39.000 Sometimes my criticism could have been too hard.
01:00:41.000 I was trying to be more supportive than anything.
01:00:43.000 If you watched the last one I did, I had nothing bad to say about people in a harsh way.
01:00:48.000 Certain people I knew was up there just because it was gimmick.
01:00:51.000 And there were certain people I was like, oh man, they've really got talent.
01:00:54.000 Like this one lady, she was an older woman. 1.00
01:00:56.000 I think she's a regular there, right?
01:00:58.000 I don't know what she knows what she was.
01:00:59.000 But I told her, I said, you know, it's so awesome.
01:01:01.000 I said, when I watch you perform, I see passion.
01:01:04.000 I see somebody that's going into a different career later in life, which is the hardest thing to do.
01:01:08.000 I made those points.
01:01:10.000 And I wasn't trying to be an asshole.
01:01:11.000 And even I got caught up in one and they ran with this shit.
01:01:15.000 And it's a song that there was one of the acts by the name of Juanita.
01:01:20.000 Juanita is a gender. 0.92
01:01:23.000 What is it when you...
01:01:24.000 Transgender?
01:01:25.000 Yeah, you have a dick, but you're a girl still. 1.00
01:01:27.000 Yeah.
01:01:28.000 Yeah, transgender, right? 0.90
01:01:29.000 So she came up with this song and she did the song, We Will Praise You, Praise You.
01:01:36.000 And I had a couple drinks, right?
01:01:38.000 And I said, and I was thinking like...
01:01:39.000 Shit, you don't have to have bums on. 0.99
01:01:41.000 What?
01:01:42.000 What, Jamie?
01:01:43.000 I just started playing.
01:01:43.000 I'm sorry.
01:01:44.000 What's up?
01:01:45.000 Oh, you gearing up for that shit, huh?
01:01:47.000 You put your headphones on.
01:01:48.000 No, listen.
01:01:49.000 Put your headphones on.
01:01:50.000 Oh, God.
01:01:51.000 Okay, ho, ho. Go, ho, ho. Ho, ho, ho. Go.
01:01:58.000 Go ahead.
01:02:09.000 Wait a minute.
01:02:09.000 That's Juanita's version?
01:02:12.000 That's the rig.
01:02:13.000 Okay.
01:02:14.000 Do you got Juanita's version?
01:02:14.000 Okay.
01:02:16.000 Oh, I can find it.
01:02:17.000 So this is what happened, Joe.
01:02:19.000 So I had a couple two, two, three, four, five Tito's in.
01:02:25.000 And I'm only looking at the artist with my peripheral.
01:02:28.000 I'm not staring nobody down and like looking at them through the pupils or whatever.
01:02:32.000 So the performer, I'm going to say that because I don't want to get anybody upset.
01:02:36.000 The performer was like, here we go.
01:02:40.000 All of them talked to solo.
01:02:41.000 Okay.
01:02:42.000 Now look how I'm not paying attention.
01:02:44.000 Right?
01:02:44.000 You're looking right at her.
01:02:45.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00
01:02:47.000 Listen.
01:02:47.000 Okay.
01:02:49.000 All right, we'll see.
01:02:54.000 So it was very strange when in 2008.
01:02:57.000 Okay.
01:02:58.000 Oh, they had to cut it out too, I think.
01:03:00.000 Probably the song.
01:03:04.000 That's the gayest thing I've ever done. 1.00
01:03:09.000 And I do anal.
01:03:12.000 Believe it or not.
01:03:13.000 Juanita.
01:03:14.000 Welcome back to the show.
01:03:17.000 Do y'all do a remix of that song for any black guy watching her right now? 0.95
01:03:20.000 Yeah.
01:03:21.000 We will, we will.
01:03:24.000 Fuck you.
01:03:27.000 Probably true.
01:03:28.000 Until you find out she has a dick, Donnell. 0.95
01:03:32.000 That is a true.
01:03:35.000 Keep it going.
01:03:35.000 Don't keep it going.
01:03:39.000 This is amazing.
01:03:40.000 That's how it happens, ladies and gentlemen.
01:03:43.000 They can't tell.
01:03:45.000 No, no, no.
01:03:46.000 Come back.
01:03:48.000 No.
01:03:50.000 The brothers.
01:03:51.000 The brothers can't tell.
01:03:53.000 Brothers can't, they will fuck you They never, the last place I was trying to be nice Donnell, the last fucking.
01:04:04.000 Keep it going.
01:04:05.000 Keep it going because it's hilarious.
01:04:09.000 Whereas white guys, no. 0.66
01:04:12.000 That's the first place the white guys look.
01:04:20.000 Charlemagne's going to find that clip.
01:04:23.000 We will, we will.
01:04:24.000 Fuck you.
01:04:26.000 You are fucked, Donnell.
01:04:29.000 Get word from the streets.
01:04:32.000 Get word from the street.
01:04:35.000 I'm sure this happened.
01:04:36.000 I don't want to get banned like Dave Sappelle, nigga. 1.00
01:04:39.000 Donnell, I'm sure this happened before in Korea.
01:04:44.000 I'm sure in Korea as an 18-year-old boy, this is a memory coming back to you.
01:04:50.000 Oh, my God.
01:04:52.000 That's usually how black guys react. 1.00
01:04:55.000 It's pretty.
01:04:56.000 Juanita, have you been with a black man before?
01:04:59.000 Keep it going.
01:05:00.000 Keep it going.
01:05:00.000 Getting your fire.
01:05:02.000 Okay.
01:05:03.000 Are you just saying that so that he doesn't find you and kill you?
01:05:06.000 No, it's raised right.
01:05:07.000 I'm just kidding.
01:05:08.000 I mean, what's the job?
01:05:09.000 Oh, shit.
01:05:10.000 Now I'm offended.
01:05:12.000 No, I've been with one.
01:05:14.000 He was half.
01:05:15.000 Okay.
01:05:16.000 He was half.
01:05:16.000 Half a black.
01:05:17.000 Okay.
01:05:20.000 My career's over, nigga! 1.00
01:05:33.000 Come on, that was funny.
01:05:34.000 No, wait a minute.
01:05:35.000 It was funny.
01:05:36.000 And I didn't take, the funny thing about it was, I did have a couple of drinks, right?
01:05:40.000 People like, how did you not know?
01:05:41.000 Like, I live in the Midwest.
01:05:43.000 And what I really thought, I know of women that look just like Juanita. 0.99
01:05:48.000 Sure.
01:05:49.000 That in the face, it's kind of like sketchy, like a dollar general one-to-two.
01:05:54.000 And I wasn't offended, but it just, it just caught me off guard.
01:05:57.000 But going back to what I was saying about the Kill Tony thing, and this is another thing.
01:06:01.000 People said, well, Donnell, you got upset because Rob Schneider was roasting or whatever.
01:06:07.000 First off, there was the first time Rob Schneider was on the show, right?
01:06:11.000 He didn't really know too much about the Kill Tony platform.
01:06:14.000 I knew a little more than he did.
01:06:16.000 And at the beginning, he was kind of cold, if you want to say.
01:06:20.000 Not cold, like not funny, but he just wasn't warmed up to the flow.
01:06:23.000 And then I started saying things.
01:06:25.000 I was alley-ooping him, right?
01:06:28.000 Basically, people say what they want.
01:06:31.000 I helped get him comfortable in the show, and then he started crushing, right?
01:06:35.000 He started crushing.
01:06:36.000 And then we did, anybody tell you that episode was amazing, right?
01:06:40.000 It was amazing.
01:06:41.000 But this is the thing, this is what that play, that platform is not a place for you to tell how you really feel about somebody, right?
01:06:47.000 And I owe Tony an apology, and I'll tell you why.
01:06:51.000 When Tony did the RN Republic National Convention, whatever, remember when he did the roasting?
01:06:58.000 For that, it was a very, very testy time.
01:06:58.000 Yes.
01:07:02.000 You know, politics, everybody says you shouldn't do this and everything.
01:07:05.000 I told him not to do it.
01:07:07.000 You told him not to do the show the Republican Party thing.
01:07:10.000 Here's the thing.
01:07:11.000 This is what, just for the people that's listening, this is what happened at the end of that Kill Tony with me and Rob Schneider.
01:07:17.000 All I wanted to do, I had the question on, where do you draw the line?
01:07:21.000 Do you draw a line of what people think, how you're supposed to respond to something, or do you loyal?
01:07:25.000 Are you loyal to somebody on how they treat you and how they are as a friend to you?
01:07:30.000 And Tony wanted me to do that show.
01:07:32.000 And anytime I've called Tony, he's pick up the phone.
01:07:35.000 Vice versa.
01:07:35.000 We've been in for each other.
01:07:37.000 My publicist, I don't know if this is a good idea right now, too, because what you think is a nice gesture you want to do the show, people are going to act like it's a political stand.
01:07:46.000 I didn't want that, right?
01:07:48.000 So I had to.
01:07:48.000 You can't listen to publicists.
01:07:50.000 This is what I learned now, Joe.
01:07:52.000 You know what I'm saying?
01:07:52.000 That was my inexperience, whatever.
01:07:54.000 And something I kept calling him.
01:07:56.000 I was like, what if I do this?
01:07:58.000 Because I wanted to be reconnected with him, whatever.
01:08:01.000 And I told Tony, he was hot in a good way, in a positive way.
01:08:06.000 I felt so bad.
01:08:07.000 I said, man, I really want to do the show, but I think people are going to take it the wrong way now, right?
01:08:07.000 I caught him.
01:08:12.000 And this with me, I felt bad about it.
01:08:15.000 I stood up at your condo.
01:08:17.000 I was on the balcony, bruh.
01:08:19.000 And I watched motherfuckers going to the show. 1.00
01:08:22.000 I felt bad about it.
01:08:23.000 I didn't do it.
01:08:24.000 And the only thing I wanted to do at the end of that Kill Tony episode was to apologize to him and say, you know, as a friend, I probably wasn't there.
01:08:32.000 And he understood, even though I was like, he's never going to let me do the show again.
01:08:35.000 He said, I'd love to have you there.
01:08:36.000 The only issue I had with Rob Schneider, in that moment, he didn't have the sense of me trying to say something serious, right?
01:08:43.000 And he was getting a laugh off this one joke, and it was at my expense.
01:08:46.000 You know, when I had this moment, I was talking about friendship and everything.
01:08:51.000 Rob kept on with this fucking corny joke, and I didn't want to flip out.
01:08:55.000 And then people took that as like, oh, yeah, Rob roasted him.
01:08:59.000 The fuck out of here.
01:09:00.000 I was trying to talk about, and I had this issue.
01:09:03.000 You might have the same issue.
01:09:07.000 Some people know people a certain way, you know them differently.
01:09:10.000 And I use an example, and I'm going to get shitted on for saying this or whatever.
01:09:14.000 Like, oh, how could you say that?
01:09:17.000 I, um, you got to stop worrying about what other people think.
01:09:21.000 I can't do it.
01:09:22.000 I can't do it.
01:09:23.000 You got to stop worrying about what other people think.
01:09:25.000 This is the conflict.
01:09:27.000 You know how you feel.
01:09:28.000 Just be yourself.
01:09:29.000 I'll just say this: Kid Rock.
01:09:31.000 Kid Rock, right?
01:09:32.000 You say that name for some people in certain places, oh, fuck him or whatever, right?
01:09:37.000 I met Kid Rock some years ago when we were doing the Cornfield shows in Yellow Springs.
01:09:43.000 And I tell people something, and we talked about this earlier.
01:09:45.000 Some people are provocateurs.
01:09:47.000 I really believe Kid Rock doesn't believe half the shit he says, but I think that he knows it's going to move the Dow is what's going to make him be in the headlines with people like, oh, shit.
01:09:56.000 He's going to stick to that.
01:09:58.000 Well, we did that show in Nashville.
01:09:59.000 Remember, we hung out with him, went to his house?
01:10:01.000 Yeah, exactly.
01:10:03.000 And with that, even when he came to Cornfield at that time, this was the point where he said some crazy shit out of his mouth.
01:10:08.000 Nobody wanted to be around him or anything, right?
01:10:10.000 They was like, oh, ba-ba-ba-ba.
01:10:12.000 Right.
01:10:12.000 Right.
01:10:13.000 You know, when I do, I do this thing called, I do river runs in Yellow Springs, Ohio.
01:10:17.000 And for some reason, I take people down the river and it's like a peace thing.
01:10:21.000 Like, you and nature.
01:10:22.000 Got a photo.
01:10:22.000 You're right outside the door.
01:10:23.000 I asked for that photo here, too.
01:10:23.000 I know.
01:10:25.000 You're right outside the river.
01:10:26.000 I love that.
01:10:27.000 So now, if you look at that photo, you'll see the energy.
01:10:29.000 That's the vibe I was on.
01:10:30.000 And nobody wanted to get close to Kid Rock or anything, right?
01:10:34.000 And I remember as a kid how the black community accepted him in school.
01:10:36.000 I'm thinking about that shit.
01:10:38.000 We're riding down the river.
01:10:40.000 Kid is over on one kayak.
01:10:41.000 I'm on the other side.
01:10:42.000 We're smoking and joint.
01:10:43.000 And he looked at me, and I know he was sincere when he said it.
01:10:46.000 He said, Man, it feels like I just had 13 hours of anger management, right?
01:10:51.000 And I was like, okay, I'm not trying to be a therapist or anything, but that felt good.
01:10:54.000 Then at the end, we stopped.
01:10:56.000 He's flipping burgers and shit.
01:10:58.000 We got to know each other.
01:10:59.000 Kept in touch with each other.
01:11:01.000 And he was doing a comedy festival in Nashville, right?
01:11:05.000 He appreciated me as a comedian.
01:11:06.000 He said, yo, D, I'm doing this.
01:11:08.000 I was like one of the first people he called, right?
01:11:10.000 He said, you want to do it?
01:11:11.000 I was like, why not?
01:11:12.000 Then I thought about it.
01:11:13.000 I was like, again, what you're saying, I was like, what people are going to think?
01:11:16.000 Seven comedians on the show.
01:11:18.000 I'm the only black guy.
01:11:19.000 I knew what I was walking into.
01:11:21.000 I knew it was going to be all MAGAs.
01:11:25.000 It was going to be a gay person. 0.65
01:11:27.000 It wasn't going to be a midget. 1.00
01:11:29.000 It wasn't going to be a lesbian. 0.97
01:11:31.000 It wasn't going to be anything but bona fide.
01:11:35.000 The real, real red, white, and blue flag motherfuckers. 0.98
01:11:39.000 But I said, Donnell, can you separate?
01:11:41.000 Can you go up here?
01:11:42.000 Can you perform and be entertaining?
01:11:46.000 Not shucking and jiving or none of that type of shit.
01:11:49.000 I went up there, last person, got a standing ovation, right?
01:11:52.000 At the end of the show, this is what people might not understand, and I'm not trying to defend him or anything.
01:11:57.000 At the end of the show, me and Kid Rock, in this case, I want to say Kid Rock wasn't backstage.
01:12:02.000 Bobby was, right?
01:12:04.000 And he said, man, he looked at me.
01:12:06.000 He said, man, I think we just brought this country back together.
01:12:10.000 Right?
01:12:11.000 And I said, well, don't separate it, motherfucker.
01:12:13.000 He said, okay, two weeks later, he do some other stupid shit.
01:12:18.000 When Trump got elected, I know people went to his page to see what his response was going to be.
01:12:27.000 Was he going to gloat?
01:12:28.000 We're like, fuck y'all, this is America.
01:12:30.000 He did this video, which I thought was so dope because it showed two sides of him.
01:12:36.000 It showed Kid Rock and it showed Bobby, right?
01:12:39.000 And then how they both responded to Donald Trump being elected.
01:12:43.000 The Kid Rock was the crotch-grabbing motherfucker.
01:12:46.000 Fuck you, right?
01:12:48.000 Then he came out.
01:12:49.000 You find this.
01:12:49.000 He came out as Bobby with shorts, just no American flags, baseball cap, fucking reading glasses, whatever.
01:12:56.000 And I thought it was dope.
01:12:58.000 The dialogue that he had with it, he played the victory.
01:13:00.000 He said, you know, you know, we did what he said, but this is not a time to gloat.
01:13:05.000 It's so much stuff that we need to do.
01:13:07.000 He said, all sides want to get to a certain place, but we have different ideas on how we're going to get there.
01:13:14.000 I thought that, for whatever people want to think, I thought that was showing another side.
01:13:19.000 And also, I told him, because I would talk to him off and on, I said, you know what song you should do?
01:13:25.000 You should do Nina Simone's song, Misunderstood.
01:13:30.000 Right?
01:13:31.000 Just sing that shit.
01:13:32.000 But I know he wouldn't never do that because the bass that really likes to support him might be like, oh, he's soft now.
01:13:39.000 The point I'm making, even though with Tony, with the situation, I consider Tony a good friend of mine for different reasons, right?
01:13:46.000 That's why I wanted to have that moment to say that.
01:13:49.000 But Rob Schneider, as much as they say I took away from moments on that show, he took away from that moment.
01:13:54.000 I wasn't trying to be a bitch.
01:13:55.000 I wasn't trying to be soft.
01:13:56.000 I wanted to say, I apologize because sometimes friendships got to be stronger than that.
01:14:00.000 And that's where I was with that.
01:14:01.000 And as much as I don't need the Kill Tony show, and this is what I always say about that show.
01:14:08.000 I said, there's not, that reminds me, Kill Tony reminds me of the Def Jam era, right?
01:14:13.000 And when I say that, there was a platform for undiscovered talent, people that you've never seen.
01:14:19.000 It's such a spectacle.
01:14:21.000 Like Def Jam, it was people that didn't have the skill set to fucking go headline, but they was being seen.
01:14:27.000 Same thing with Kill Tony.
01:14:29.000 Is your phone on?
01:14:29.000 You look at what's going on.
01:14:30.000 Is your phone on ding?
01:14:31.000 Shut up. 0.95
01:14:31.000 Shut up. 0.95
01:14:32.000 This is what I appreciate about this show.
01:14:34.000 For whoever likes it or whatever, it's a platform to get on.
01:14:38.000 I travel around the country.
01:14:40.000 It used to be, you remember back in the day, it was like, oh, I need to be on Letterman.
01:14:43.000 I need to be on Carson or whatever.
01:14:45.000 That is the, I got to get on Kill Tony.
01:14:47.000 100%.
01:14:48.000 And in some cases, it's some good and bad to that.
01:14:51.000 There's some people that was ready for it.
01:14:53.000 There's some people like, you know what?
01:14:54.000 You had two or three minutes worth of jokes.
01:14:56.000 You know what I'm saying?
01:14:57.000 You're not ready.
01:14:58.000 But it gave people some hope.
01:14:59.000 When I was standing at the hotel the other day, three people traveled across the country like with the hopes of that.
01:15:05.000 So I know how important that show is.
01:15:09.000 Is it the fan base?
01:15:10.000 I want them to be like, oh, I can't wait to see them.
01:15:14.000 But for me, I always, my whole career, Joe, I always wanted to be around the people, the places that they say the best comedians perform.
01:15:23.000 When I started, when I was in New York, I wanted to get past at the comedy cellar, not because I wanted to be a cellar dweller.
01:15:30.000 I didn't want to be the guy in the back fucking just every weekend, just sit back there telling War story.
01:15:35.000 I was like, if this is where the best comics perform, I want to be a part of that.
01:15:40.000 I want to be past that.
01:15:41.000 Because when I got past in the comedy cellar, it wasn't a lot of black comedians working in the cellar.
01:15:46.000 It was Greer Barnes.
01:15:48.000 It was Keith Robinson.
01:15:49.000 R.I.P., it was William Stevenson.
01:15:52.000 Patrice.
01:15:52.000 Patrice Dave Chappelle.
01:15:54.000 In fact, Barry Katz had a room, Boston Comedy Club, and it was Black Knight on Sundays, right?
01:16:00.000 Black comedians looked at me like they said, where are you going?
01:16:02.000 I was like, I got a spot at the cellar.
01:16:04.000 They're like, how the fuck did you get in the cellar?
01:16:07.000 The way I got into it was put the work in, I hung out, got a couple of recommendations, and when it's time for me to showcase, I did my thing.
01:16:13.000 But the minute I got past in the cellar, I didn't really care about working there all the time.
01:16:16.000 I just wanted to be validated as like, this is the spot.
01:16:19.000 Same thing.
01:16:20.000 I get it.
01:16:20.000 You know, same thing with the comedy store.
01:16:22.000 Same thing with what you're doing here.
01:16:23.000 It was that part of it.
01:16:24.000 I get it.
01:16:26.000 Greg Barnes, probably one of the most underappreciated talents in the country.
01:16:29.000 But you know what?
01:16:30.000 I've known that dude for 30 years.
01:16:32.000 He's a funny motherfucker, and he's been funny forever.
01:16:34.000 You know, it's so funny that you said underappreciated because, you know, when you know comedians that put the work in or whatever, it's a phrase that people use underrated, but you got to ask who rated it.
01:16:43.000 You didn't use those words.
01:16:44.000 You said underappreciated.
01:16:46.000 But he is.
01:16:48.000 I don't know.
01:16:49.000 Sometimes you got to ask yourself.
01:16:50.000 He's not underrated by comics.
01:16:52.000 He's underappreciated by audience members for whatever reason.
01:16:55.000 I think it's a social media thing.
01:16:57.000 I just think he doesn't have a big presence on social media for whatever reason.
01:17:00.000 He's a solid, solid fucking comic, though.
01:17:03.000 Always has been.
01:17:04.000 And a solid guy.
01:17:05.000 And a good dude.
01:17:06.000 But that's another thing.
01:17:07.000 This is the area that we're in right now.
01:17:09.000 And it's like, and you notice it's even more so now.
01:17:12.000 The most talented people aren't getting the shots if you don't know how to evolve.
01:17:18.000 Well, it's not even just that because like look at Dave Chappelle, not Dave Chappelle, excuse me, David Tell.
01:17:23.000 David Tell, I think, is one of the funniest dudes who's ever lived.
01:17:26.000 Ever.
01:17:27.000 Yeah.
01:17:27.000 Ever.
01:17:28.000 One of the best comics ever in the history of comedy.
01:17:30.000 And mostly does clubs and does like theaters and stuff like that.
01:17:34.000 He should be sold out arenas all across the country, but he does not promote himself.
01:17:38.000 He's not into social media.
01:17:40.000 But I don't even think a tale is other than specials.
01:17:44.000 I think a tale would be petrified.
01:17:46.000 Not that he couldn't do it.
01:17:49.000 Remember with the show he had, what was that?
01:17:50.000 The late night show.
01:17:51.000 That was before anybody was doing it.
01:17:52.000 Yeah.
01:17:53.000 The late night show, he go to bars and stuff like that.
01:17:55.000 Uh-huh.
01:17:56.000 Insomniac.
01:17:56.000 Yeah, Insomniac.
01:17:57.000 This is before everybody was doing it.
01:17:59.000 I don't think that some people, they like, I think he's always going to make millions of dollars touring or whatever.
01:18:05.000 But I think his comfort zone is like he's not a club act, but he's a club comic.
01:18:10.000 I think the best thing for him he ever wants to be is in front of 250 to 500 people.
01:18:15.000 Well, he's awesome than that, but he does, like, when Burt does arenas, he does arenas and he murders in arenas.
01:18:21.000 I think the real thing with him is that he's just focused on his craft only.
01:18:26.000 And the props that he gets from other comedians on podcasts and things along those lines is what really fuels his popularity.
01:18:33.000 And then when people go to see him, just word of mouth.
01:18:35.000 Do you think some people might be afraid of a certain level of fame that they don't want to have?
01:18:40.000 There is that.
01:18:41.000 Because I don't think he's that.
01:18:42.000 I just don't think he thinks about it.
01:18:44.000 I mean, he doesn't even have a phone.
01:18:45.000 Like, he carries a flip phone with him all the time.
01:18:48.000 He has an iPhone that he like stores away and sometimes he uses it.
01:18:51.000 But when you text him, he texts you on like, doot, Or you got to press forward.
01:18:56.000 You know what I'm saying?
01:18:57.000 You know what it is, right?
01:18:58.000 Well, he doesn't want to be distracted.
01:18:59.000 He's in the Epstein files.
01:19:03.000 Yo, he doesn't got to have him distracted.
01:19:05.000 You need to burn a phone.
01:19:06.000 If you're heavily in the Epstein files, no, I think.
01:19:10.000 He's only in the Epstein files because he was on a lineup that Epstein was going to go see at the cellar.
01:19:14.000 I think David Tale.
01:19:16.000 Louis J. Jones is on that too.
01:19:18.000 I like, I think David Tell is like, I think Dave Tell's ultimate happiness is being on stage.
01:19:26.000 Shut your fucking phone off, man.
01:19:28.000 Put that shit on silent.
01:19:29.000 Just put it on silent.
01:19:31.000 Do you know how to do that?
01:19:32.000 You don't know how to do that.
01:19:33.000 Put it on, do not disturb.
01:19:33.000 Disrespect me like that.
01:19:34.000 You know how to do it?
01:19:35.000 It's off.
01:19:35.000 It's okay.
01:19:36.000 It's off.
01:19:36.000 Okay, it keeps digging in your popular motherfucker.
01:19:39.000 I think some people, I think, my opinion, David Taylor, his comfort zone is fucking just being as incognito as he tries to be.
01:19:48.000 It's just like, oh, I came up with this.
01:19:50.000 I don't know anybody that turns over material.
01:19:53.000 It's certain comics.
01:19:54.000 You look at Joe and you're like, God damn, this motherfucker's constantly trying.
01:20:00.000 Yeah, always.
01:20:01.000 Like, when I work with Dave, he forced me to do that.
01:20:05.000 Deion Cole is another guy.
01:20:06.000 When I watch, Deion Cole does like at the Hollywood Improv, I think maybe three times a week.
01:20:11.000 He just has a Monday night and he just uses it as a workout, right?
01:20:13.000 Me, when I go into a spot, I'm trying to beat the fuck.
01:20:17.000 I'm trying to beat it up.
01:20:18.000 So sometimes I get distracted on what I'm really there for.
01:20:20.000 That's work out new material.
01:20:23.000 There's a different level where you just like, you know what?
01:20:26.000 I could deal with the silence.
01:20:27.000 I could deal with something not working.
01:20:28.000 And when I watch people like him, it's another comedian in L.A. by the name of Malik S that doesn't have all that notoriety like that.
01:20:36.000 But when I see him, I'm like, damn, every time I see this motherfucker, he's working on some new shit and has the same passion.
01:20:41.000 Everybody doesn't have that.
01:20:43.000 That's why David Taylor will always give other comics something to like try to achieve because he's like, you ain't going to see him doing the same shit.
01:20:51.000 It's always a flip.
01:20:53.000 And that's what makes him who he is.
01:20:55.000 And that's why he gets so respected by so many people.
01:20:57.000 Well, he's only focused on his craft.
01:21:00.000 Whereas some people are really focused on social media and promotions.
01:21:04.000 And they have a guy that films him doing a bunch of wild things and edits with music.
01:21:09.000 I've never seen so many comedians have full-out production crews with them.
01:21:15.000 On an intro.
01:21:15.000 Right.
01:21:16.000 I know.
01:21:17.000 On stage.
01:21:18.000 They think that that's what they need.
01:21:20.000 You know, they think that's what they need to separate them.
01:21:22.000 And it does get them attention.
01:21:24.000 But what it takes away, it does draw some focus away from what you're trying to do, which is work on your shit and come up with new stuff.
01:21:32.000 Where Atel doesn't have any of that.
01:21:33.000 But with that said, it takes away, but then it also lets you know who the special people are.
01:21:39.000 Right now, fucking my goddamn guy that services my pool and shit say he's got a special coming out.
01:21:45.000 I don't know who doesn't have a special coming out.
01:21:48.000 And the thing about it is like, now, Joe, you know it.
01:21:50.000 Specials aren't, if you really look at it, specials aren't special anymore.
01:21:54.000 It's special.
01:21:55.000 It's a weird word, right?
01:21:56.000 Specials are a weird word.
01:21:59.000 I got a new special.
01:22:00.000 Like, no other art form calls it a special.
01:22:03.000 Like, if someone, like Taylor Swift, puts out a concert video, it's a video of her performance.
01:22:08.000 You know, a musician puts out a video.
01:22:11.000 It's like for a comic, we got a weird word, special.
01:22:11.000 It's that.
01:22:15.000 You know what special is now?
01:22:16.000 When you get excited about special, if you, people still do that, it's who's putting it out.
01:22:21.000 It's special people that do it.
01:22:22.000 It's special people that like Sebastian, he's doing it special.
01:22:27.000 You know what I'm saying?
01:22:28.000 Fucking Tom does a special.
01:22:30.000 It's special people where you know it's special.
01:22:32.000 And a lot of them now is just people that's doing 45 minutes worth of comedy.
01:22:36.000 No beginning, no middle, no end, no point of view.
01:22:39.000 You don't know anything about them.
01:22:41.000 It's just like the same way they do photo dumps.
01:22:43.000 It's just like joke dumps.
01:22:44.000 Right.
01:22:45.000 But I'll just say, and I'm not, you pay people to say Dave Chappelle's a butt player.
01:22:50.000 But one thing I could say, however, you look at Dave Chappelle's a what?
01:22:54.000 No, I'm Dave Chappelle's butt plug.
01:22:56.000 I'm going back to, that's what people, you know, they understand.
01:22:58.000 You got to stop listening to what other people say.
01:23:01.000 Joe, I'm segueing into a story.
01:23:07.000 Is it about Jamie wearing a Fonzie jacket?
01:23:09.000 Hey! 0.99
01:23:12.000 He's got him in all colors.
01:23:13.000 It's got him in all colors.
01:23:14.000 He's got a red, white, and blue one.
01:23:16.000 He took it off before the show.
01:23:16.000 You know, and like people.
01:23:18.000 People get so critical, but at a certain point, people evolve.
01:23:24.000 People that you know them a certain way, but then you're talking about a person who has a 35, 40-year career.
01:23:30.000 Like, people are like, well, this last special so-and-so did.
01:23:33.000 It wasn't that funny.
01:23:35.000 But how often, how long are you going to just be like rip roaring funny?
01:23:38.000 Some people have a position where when they talk, people listen.
01:23:42.000 And I look at, I use Dave as an example.
01:23:44.000 If you look at all his specials, 20 years from now, right?
01:23:49.000 You have a Netflix and Chill Day or whatever.
01:23:52.000 If you play all the special that Dave ever did, you would know exactly what was going on in the world at that time.
01:24:00.000 You know what I mean?
01:24:01.000 You know what's going on.
01:24:02.000 Some people put out singles.
01:24:03.000 They got one or two jokes.
01:24:04.000 Some people put out albums.
01:24:08.000 He's one of those people.
01:24:09.000 Sebastian is another one. 0.78
01:24:10.000 And you look at like, you see how his comedy evolved.
01:24:13.000 People get older.
01:24:14.000 They have different perspective on life.
01:24:16.000 And that's what you have to fucking accept him for.
01:24:18.000 But we don't do that.
01:24:20.000 And another thing, I don't know if this is prevalent in your community.
01:24:26.000 And when I say that, you community is a lot of people, but my community, man, it's just so much dumb beef.
01:24:35.000 And I've, it's only one white beef I've ever known about, and that's yours. 0.94
01:24:42.000 Mine?
01:24:43.000 Yes.
01:24:45.000 What do you mean?
01:24:46.000 The beef that you had with it.
01:24:47.000 I don't even know.
01:24:48.000 With Ben Sina?
01:24:48.000 Yeah, years ago.
01:24:49.000 Well, that was the same thing with Kat.
01:24:52.000 Like, some shit just has to be exposed.
01:24:54.000 That was a real problem, man.
01:24:56.000 You weren't around the store back then, but it was a real problem where he had that special or that show, rather, on Comedy Central after Dave left, which was basically doing his version of Dave's sketches.
01:25:08.000 And he was.
01:25:09.000 Do you think it was his version of Dave's sketches?
01:25:12.000 It was a lot of shit was.
01:25:13.000 Like the one when he dressed like the white guy and had white paint on his face and wore the white wig.
01:25:17.000 It was basically the same character that Dave was doing.
01:25:19.000 Yeah, but if you look at the history of sketch comedy, I don't think Dave was the first person to ever dressed himself up to look like right afterwards.
01:25:28.000 Right after the same slot.
01:25:31.000 Anything that came after Chappelle show, they would have compared.
01:25:35.000 Dave was saying it.
01:25:36.000 Yeah.
01:25:37.000 Dave never talked shit about nobody.
01:25:39.000 It was like, this motherfucker's doing my show.
01:25:41.000 Dave was saying it.
01:25:43.000 Dave doesn't talk shit about nobody.
01:25:45.000 Right.
01:25:47.000 It was, but that was only one of the problems.
01:25:50.000 The real problem was he would sit in the back room and watch open mic nights and take their shit.
01:25:56.000 Like they would flash the light when he was in the room so comics wouldn't do material.
01:26:00.000 They would start doing crowd work.
01:26:01.000 So why didn't he get exposed before that?
01:26:03.000 Why did it just come up?
01:26:04.000 Because nobody had the balls to do it.
01:26:05.000 And then he had to be.
01:26:06.000 Because he was famous at the time.
01:26:08.000 And he was doing.
01:26:09.000 And look, it cost me.
01:26:10.000 I got banned from the store.
01:26:12.000 I lost my agent.
01:26:13.000 And I was famous.
01:26:14.000 I was on Fear Factor.
01:26:16.000 I was rich.
01:26:18.000 I had a lot going for me where I could stick my neck out.
01:26:21.000 But you came back stronger.
01:26:22.000 I give another example, like the same situation with Dave in Comedy Central and shit.
01:26:25.000 As much as he went through that, he took a 12-year hiatus or whatever you wanted to do.
01:26:29.000 What Dave showed in that is that he's a real artist.
01:26:33.000 Dave just said, fuck it, I'm going to disappear for a while like a legend.
01:26:37.000 He just disappeared.
01:26:38.000 I remember when I was hearing stories about Dave doing shows where he would set up a speaker in Seattle in the park and just start doing stand-up.
01:26:45.000 And people are like, what the fuck?
01:26:47.000 And for no money, people would just show up and he would just do street performances.
01:26:51.000 But you know what was kind of where he got that from?
01:26:54.000 You've heard of a comedy.
01:26:55.000 Charlie Barnett.
01:26:55.000 I'm pretty sure of it.
01:26:56.000 100%.
01:26:57.000 Yeah, we played Charlie Barnett on the show.
01:26:58.000 I knew Charlie.
01:26:59.000 Charlie was like, if you ever thought you were funny or whatever, go.
01:27:04.000 This is what the art of only people I've ever known that got certain level of success with that, Charlie Barnett, Michael Collier, when he used to be in his beach.
01:27:11.000 Right.
01:27:11.000 But people don't understand how Charlie Barnett would like to go to a park, go to the center of Washington Square Park.
01:27:20.000 And get to gather around a bunch of people.
01:27:22.000 It's a certain technique.
01:27:22.000 And you got it.
01:27:24.000 Not only that, you got to hold their attention for one joke.
01:27:27.000 You got to get them involved, blah, blah, blah, blah.
01:27:27.000 Right.
01:27:30.000 Yeah.
01:27:30.000 And you build this audience up, and then it's really for one joke.
01:27:34.000 A lot of people don't know that Charlie got Saturday Night Live, but he couldn't read.
01:27:37.000 Yeah, he couldn't.
01:27:38.000 And that's what opened up the door.
01:27:40.000 But he was so gangster, like when they wouldn't give him spots because, you know, he was probably a bit to deal with.
01:27:47.000 He would go to the Boston Comic Club and yell in there, Don't go in there.
01:27:51.000 I'm doing my show in five minutes.
01:27:54.000 The whole fucking club would come out.
01:27:58.000 That's how much power he had.
01:28:00.000 But then sometimes that we become victims of our own vices and everything and destroy us more than anything.
01:28:07.000 That's why when people talk shit about, like, they, oh, Kevin, Kevin Hart didn't get out the mud.
01:28:12.000 It's you got funny, but you know, funny isn't everything.
01:28:17.000 Okay, you're funny.
01:28:19.000 That's not, oh, so good that you got talent.
01:28:21.000 But more importantly, it's your work ethics.
01:28:24.000 And how do you take your guy-given talent and your passion and turn it into money?
01:28:29.000 You know, you're into music and everything.
01:28:31.000 You probably could name a million saxophonists or whatever that didn't get to do that you could be like, well, listen to this shit.
01:28:38.000 But for some reason, they didn't have the business part and all that together.
01:28:42.000 And I'm going back, I'm probably talking to Circle now, but this is what upsets me the most about my folks or whatever, these people that go on these platforms and talk shit about people.
01:28:52.000 There was a comedian that was talking shit about Martin Lawrence, right?
01:28:56.000 Well, I saw Martin Lawrence, and Martin Lawrence in the casino, he's really, it's not that funny.
01:29:03.000 I'm like this, motherfucker, he's Martin Lawrence.
01:29:07.000 Well, they didn't know him in the 90s.
01:29:09.000 No, no, this person, no, this person particularly, no.
01:29:15.000 If you just know Martin Lawrence, period, that's enough.
01:29:18.000 Richard Pride, before he passed away, when he was in the wheelchair, damn near rolled him out of the stage, sold out audiences.
01:29:24.000 I followed him for six weeks.
01:29:26.000 I followed him for six weeks at the comedy store when he was like that.
01:29:29.000 Certain people, Joe, I look at this business, are made people.
01:29:31.000 How dare you talk shit about this motherfucker? 1.00
01:29:34.000 That's a good way to put it.
01:29:35.000 He's a made man.
01:29:36.000 Another thing, Joe.
01:29:37.000 A legend.
01:29:38.000 You know, in this business, you can have a career, right?
01:29:41.000 But you have certain times where you just ruled.
01:29:44.000 Martin Lawrence, film star, movie star, comedy star.
01:29:44.000 You had three years.
01:29:49.000 He had one period of time for five or seven years when it was just Martin everywhere.
01:29:53.000 How dare you, as a person gets older, and whether he has a good, bad night or a bad night, how are you to judge?
01:29:59.000 And you ain't doing shit.
01:30:00.000 How are you to judge a motherfucker that when I was coming up, Joe, every fucking black comic in the business wanted an audition. 0.99
01:30:08.000 Everybody wanted to be hustle man.
01:30:10.000 Everybody wanted to just get two or three minutes on Martin's show because they knew that dude, that would do their career.
01:30:15.000 So you judge a motherfucker years down the road, right?
01:30:20.000 Where they basically, when Martin goes out, guess what?
01:30:23.000 Martin not doing no tours, saying I'm doing 45 minutes, whatever.
01:30:26.000 He's like, y'all want to see me?
01:30:27.000 Guess what?
01:30:27.000 Y'all going to see this young talent.
01:30:29.000 You're going to see this person.
01:30:30.000 I'm putting people on.
01:30:31.000 How dare you even have come out your fucking mouth and talk shit about this motherfucker? 0.96
01:30:35.000 How dare you talk shit about motherfuckers that talk shit about Kevin Hart?
01:30:38.000 How dare you talk shit about a motherfucker that was rocking with a dude, Nate Smith, R.I.P. passed away?
01:30:44.000 I remember when Kevin Hart was the one of the motherfuckers doing those comment cards.
01:30:48.000 All right, all right, I'm doing email lists.
01:30:52.000 One person, I remember when fucking Kevin Hart had fucking 20,000 people on Instagram.
01:30:58.000 No, on Twitter.
01:30:59.000 And at a radio, he was like, yo, radio says, yo, D, this is the problem.
01:31:02.000 I seen the hard work.
01:31:04.000 I see him not just come to fucking New York and do the black rooms. 0.90
01:31:07.000 I'm doing the black rooms.
01:31:08.000 I'm doing the white rooms.
01:31:09.000 I'm doing all of this shit.
01:31:11.000 How dare you?
01:31:13.000 I'll just say this, and I'll answer this.
01:31:14.000 It ain't no B for nothing.
01:31:16.000 Cat Williams said, this is what Cat Williams said about Kevin Hart.
01:31:20.000 I find it very strange that you just come from New York and then you have a TV show and a movie show.
01:31:26.000 And how does that happen?
01:31:27.000 You were in New York.
01:31:28.000 I'll tell you how it happens.
01:31:31.000 You're on the biggest showcase in comedy.
01:31:35.000 And you know what that is?
01:31:36.000 JFL.
01:31:39.000 Just for laughs.
01:31:40.000 Kevin Hart was a product of that.
01:31:42.000 Monique was a product of that. 0.98
01:31:44.000 Dave Chappelle was a product of that.
01:31:46.000 No, Kevin Hart wasn't pounding the streets in LA, but he happened to be on a showcase.
01:31:52.000 Back in the day, you do with JFL.
01:31:54.000 It was motherfuckers leaving there that probably had $500 in the bank, leaving with a quarter million dollar development deal just to do nothing. 1.00
01:32:01.000 That's the error it was.
01:32:03.000 So just because you weren't in LA doesn't mean you wasn't beating the pavement.
01:32:07.000 And I don't care.
01:32:08.000 In LA, you got LA and New York.
01:32:10.000 Nobody as a stand-up comic grinds as hard as a comic come from New York opposed to LA.
01:32:16.000 And the reason why, L.A. don't have that many stages.
01:32:19.000 LA don't have that many stages.
01:32:20.000 They used to tell you all the time, as a stand-up comic, if you're trying to be an actor, whatever, go to L.A. If you want to be a great stand-up comic, bang it out in New York.
01:32:28.000 And this was the rule back in the day, Joe.
01:32:31.000 Let Hollywood call you.
01:32:32.000 You just don't go to LA to sleep on somebody's couch.
01:32:35.000 Some people had that story, but it was like you grind.
01:32:37.000 And back then.
01:32:38.000 Everybody's got their own path, Darn.
01:32:40.000 You can do whatever the fuck you want.
01:32:41.000 That's just work on your act.
01:32:42.000 That's the point that I'm making.
01:32:44.000 Yeah, it's just everybody's got their own path.
01:32:46.000 The real problem in this conversation is what I said earlier.
01:32:49.000 It's worrying about what other people think.
01:32:51.000 The more you spend time worrying about what other people think, the less you're worrying about what you're doing.
01:32:57.000 Less you're thinking about what you're actually trying to achieve.
01:33:00.000 And I listen to what you're saying, and I don't listen to what you're saying.
01:33:04.000 And the reason why I say that, every time I go into this rabbit hole or whatever, it's the echo.
01:33:09.000 It's like a Rogan angel right here and is whispering, don't read the comments.
01:33:14.000 Yeah, but I'm right.
01:33:16.000 I still read them.
01:33:17.000 I know, you should.
01:33:18.000 But I'm stopping.
01:33:20.000 But this is another thing I didn't.
01:33:22.000 What I didn't know is that white comedians actually have beef with each other.
01:33:32.000 I did not know, or at least it's not, you don't hear about it.
01:33:36.000 It's rare.
01:33:37.000 It's more rare.
01:33:39.000 And the ones who have beef are usually failures.
01:33:41.000 They're usually people that aren't doing well.
01:33:44.000 I've got an example.
01:33:46.000 I'm exposing the industry right now.
01:33:49.000 It's so funny.
01:33:49.000 I have an example.
01:33:51.000 And this was interesting.
01:33:52.000 I was at the comedy store.
01:33:53.000 Oh, you told me this.
01:33:55.000 It's so fucking funny to me, son.
01:33:58.000 About two months ago, right?
01:33:59.000 I'm good friends with Bill Burr.
01:34:01.000 You know, we did, we had, I'm Rich Bitch Tour with Charlie Murphy, me, Bill Burr years ago.
01:34:06.000 And I know Mark Maron, right?
01:34:10.000 I don't know.
01:34:10.000 What I found out is I didn't know Mark Maron the way white people know Mark Marin, right?
01:34:16.000 So I know Mark Maron.
01:34:18.000 Like when I see Mark Maron, I was like, oh, that's the guy that had one of the greatest podcasts out.
01:34:23.000 That guy that was one of the alternative comedy favorites, Mark Maron's special.
01:34:28.000 So when I see Mark Maron, I have a certain level of respect.
01:34:31.000 Like, oh, that's the guy who did it, whatever.
01:34:33.000 So I was doing Annie Letterman's show for Annie Wood or whatever, right?
01:34:37.000 And I love that girl.
01:34:39.000 And I'm in the green room and I'm smoking and joining.
01:34:41.000 I forget who sponsored this weed, but it was incredible, right?
01:34:44.000 So I'm in there and I'm cracking jokes.
01:34:46.000 Bill is right there.
01:34:48.000 And then Mark is over by the side of the door.
01:34:51.000 And I'm cracking jokes with Bill and everything.
01:34:52.000 And I felt something did nobody was really laughing at my jokes, right?
01:34:56.000 That all of a sudden, a whole fucking argument popped off.
01:35:00.000 And it was like, it was white argument because it was so nice.
01:35:05.000 They were so gentleman to each other.
01:35:07.000 It was a whole bunch of, oh, yeah, but you'll never do my podcast.
01:35:10.000 It was like podcast beats.
01:35:12.000 I'm right in the middle.
01:35:13.000 I don't even know.
01:35:15.000 I didn't even know that they had beef like this, but they were so gentle about it.
01:35:18.000 But I tell you the difference between white beef and black beef.
01:35:20.000 I never felt that I was going to get shot.
01:35:24.000 Y'all, I felt so safe.
01:35:27.000 Y'all, if anything, I thought it'd be like lawsuits the next morning, defamation of character, slander, but I never knew that it was fucking Caucasian and on Caucasian beef like this. 0.92
01:35:39.000 And it was entertaining.
01:35:40.000 This is an example.
01:35:40.000 Mark Maron was doing really well at one point in time in his career, and now he's not.
01:35:44.000 So Mark Maron had the number one podcast, and after a while, his podcast wasn't even the top 200.
01:35:50.000 It dropped off.
01:35:51.000 Bill Burr, his career took off.
01:35:55.000 He's doing arenas.
01:35:56.000 He's killing it.
01:35:57.000 Mark's not.
01:35:58.000 And Mark finds reasons to criticize other people that are doing much better than him.
01:36:02.000 And he focuses on that because he thinks he should be getting more than he deserves.
01:36:06.000 But do you think that's going back to being a provocateur?
01:36:08.000 He knows if he talked his shit.
01:36:09.000 No, no, no.
01:36:10.000 I think it's going back to being bitter and jealous and thinking about other people instead of thinking about himself and why people don't want to go see him anymore.
01:36:17.000 He was upset when we left the comedy store because we took the crowds away.
01:36:21.000 And it's like, hey, you were on the fucking marquee too, man.
01:36:24.000 Right.
01:36:25.000 They're not coming to see you.
01:36:26.000 And the reason why they're not coming to see you is because you're not doing well.
01:36:29.000 And your podcast was in the top.
01:36:31.000 It was number one.
01:36:32.000 And when it was at number one, by the way, this is what I always say about Mark Maron.
01:36:36.000 He was great.
01:36:37.000 Mark Maron was fun to hang out with when he was killing it.
01:36:39.000 Right.
01:36:40.000 Because he was happy.
01:36:41.000 Because he was getting validation.
01:36:42.000 Because he had the number one podcast.
01:36:44.000 We were friends.
01:36:45.000 Like, I did his podcast.
01:36:46.000 He did mine.
01:36:47.000 We had a good time.
01:36:47.000 I'd hug him when I see him.
01:36:49.000 Like, we had gone back and forth many times and having beef with each other.
01:36:53.000 His problem, let me finish.
01:36:54.000 His problem was when everybody else started doing really good and he started dropping off.
01:37:00.000 Right.
01:37:00.000 That's what happened.
01:37:01.000 This is what I don't understand.
01:37:02.000 Why can't people understand that you have a moment?
01:37:05.000 Like I was talking about.
01:37:06.000 Because he's a fucking narcissist and he wants the moment to always be around him.
01:37:10.000 He wants it to always be about him.
01:37:12.000 And when other people are doing better than him, he wants to talk shit about them.
01:37:15.000 And that's where Bill had a problem with it.
01:37:17.000 You think being a narcissist in this field is a bad thing?
01:37:19.000 For some reason, I think that kind of fuels you to be the person that you are, to be determined to do and not give a fuck about what nobody thinks.
01:37:25.000 Well, having self-respect and having an ego where you care about what you put out, yes, that's a good thing.
01:37:33.000 But making it all about you and not being able to appreciate other people's work is crazy because other people doing well can be fuel for you to be inspired and do better yourself.
01:37:44.000 And that's a positive thing.
01:37:45.000 And if these people are your friends and you love them and you care about them, you should be happy that they're killing it.
01:37:50.000 And if you're not killing it anymore, you should try to figure out why.
01:37:53.000 Because it's not like the door's not open.
01:37:54.000 It's not like you're not getting on stage.
01:37:56.000 It's not like you're not putting out specials.
01:37:57.000 You should probably figure out why your podcast dropped from number one to not even in the top 200 anymore without anything happening.
01:38:05.000 You didn't get arrested.
01:38:06.000 There was no scandal.
01:38:07.000 There was nothing crazy.
01:38:08.000 You should try to figure that out.
01:38:09.000 And he doesn't do that because he's instead bitter.
01:38:12.000 Bitter and jealous.
01:38:13.000 He's always been like that.
01:38:15.000 There's a story about Jon Stewart.
01:38:17.000 And Andrew Schultz came on the podcast and told a story about Jon Stewart and Maron where Maron confronted Jon Stewart with Jon Stewart, got some television show.
01:38:24.000 He called him a fucking sellout.
01:38:25.000 He yelled at him all this different shit.
01:38:27.000 Jon Stewart left the show and they hired Maron to do the same show.
01:38:32.000 Yeah.
01:38:32.000 The same show that he was calling Jon Stewart for being a sellout.
01:38:35.000 So how did you go from that to, okay, for you to have one of the biggest podcasts, at some point in your career, you had to be likable or you think people just wanted to do this show?
01:38:44.000 There wasn't very many podcasts back then.
01:38:47.000 The thing that killed Marin's podcast, my personal opinion, no hate, is that he has this rant at the beginning of his podcast that's not entertaining.
01:38:54.000 I don't think it's good.
01:38:56.000 And the rant was long, and he would just ramble about himself, was very self-obsessed, and I just don't think it was good.
01:39:02.000 And I think that was part of the problem.
01:39:04.000 It's also the problem was how he interviewed people.
01:39:07.000 He had a very confrontational interview style, specifically with some comedians that he felt like were below him or that he could pick on.
01:39:14.000 You would think that that style would work in this day and age.
01:39:16.000 No, People don't want always to be uncomfortable.
01:39:19.000 They want to like you, man.
01:39:21.000 They want you to be a good person.
01:39:22.000 People want train wrecks.
01:39:24.000 They want train wrecks for 15-second or 30-minute, 30-second Instagram clips.
01:39:30.000 They don't want train wrecks to be their primary thing that they're listening to when they're in traffic on the way to work.
01:39:35.000 But the people that host these podcasts now, like I think people go on these podcasts now and like this, this is going to be clickbait.
01:39:42.000 We're going to go viral.
01:39:43.000 Yeah, but they're not that talented.
01:39:45.000 That's why they're doing it is because that's their only method of getting attention.
01:39:50.000 If they were entertaining and interesting and fascinating, then their podcast would be about that.
01:39:57.000 You know what?
01:39:58.000 It's all in what you're trying to focus on.
01:40:00.000 What I try to focus on on my podcast is who do I want to talk to?
01:40:05.000 I never have someone on and go, oh, this would be great.
01:40:08.000 It'd be very controversial.
01:40:09.000 People will fucking hate them.
01:40:10.000 It'll be crazy.
01:40:11.000 They'll say wild shit.
01:40:12.000 I never do that.
01:40:13.000 My podcast is only about who do I want to talk to.
01:40:17.000 That's why I have a lot of people on that aren't even remotely famous because they're interesting.
01:40:22.000 I find them interesting.
01:40:23.000 I find with the book they wrote interesting, the documentary they made interesting.
01:40:26.000 I want to know something about them.
01:40:28.000 It stimulates my curiosity.
01:40:30.000 Do you think that there's going to be a shift?
01:40:32.000 Do you think that these salacious interviews, these interviews with Professor, you don't have to do that?
01:40:38.000 Don't think about it.
01:40:39.000 That's my key.
01:40:40.000 You know what's so funny?
01:40:42.000 You know what's funny about what you said?
01:40:42.000 I will say this.
01:40:44.000 That I was with Dave a while ago and he echoed the exact same thing.
01:40:48.000 And I was having this conversation with him.
01:40:50.000 He said, D, I don't even think about that shit.
01:40:53.000 Yeah, don't think about it.
01:40:54.000 There's other things to think about.
01:40:56.000 I've said this too many times.
01:40:57.000 If people have heard this before, I'm sorry.
01:40:59.000 Think of your focus and your attention like a number.
01:41:03.000 Think of you have like a hundred points in a day to spend on things.
01:41:08.000 If you spend 30 of those points thinking about haters or 30% of those thinking about bitter people, 30% thinking about other people that are doing better than you, that's 30% that you robbed from the 100% that you have to focus on your life.
01:41:22.000 I have things to do, man.
01:41:24.000 I have a family.
01:41:25.000 I have loved ones.
01:41:25.000 I have friends.
01:41:26.000 I have interests.
01:41:27.000 I have hobbies.
01:41:29.000 I have comedy and podcasts and the UFC and all these different things that I like to do.
01:41:33.000 And I think about those things.
01:41:35.000 I don't think about negative, stupid things with people that have bitter, angry minds that are concentrating on other people's success and trying to tear them down all the time because they're trying to tear them down all the time because they compare themselves to them and they don't like how they stack up.
01:41:49.000 They don't like the fact that that person's doing better.
01:41:51.000 They don't like the fact that that person's more successful.
01:41:54.000 So they try to take things either out of context or they try to misrepresent who that person is.
01:41:59.000 They try to change public perception of that person to try to drag that person down.
01:42:04.000 And it's transparent.
01:42:06.000 The reason why it doesn't work is because people inherently know what you're trying to do.
01:42:10.000 It might get people, oh, there's beef.
01:42:12.000 Oh, there's beef.
01:42:13.000 Those are simple-minded people that you're always going to attract, but you're not going to change people's opinions of things.
01:42:18.000 It's a trick.
01:42:19.000 It's a trap that you're playing on yourself.
01:42:22.000 It's a waste of your precious resources.
01:42:25.000 You only have so much time in the day.
01:42:27.000 My time I spend on things that I think are interesting or beneficial or things that excite my curiosity.
01:42:34.000 And I think that is the way I like to live my life.
01:42:37.000 Now, if you like to live your life, constantly engaged in beefs and being filled with anxiety and stress and you want to do that, okay.
01:42:44.000 But those are bitter fucking people.
01:42:45.000 I don't want to be a better person.
01:42:47.000 In another life, could you have been a therapist?
01:42:50.000 Well, I majored in psychology for the brief amount of time that I was in college.
01:42:55.000 That was what I was interested in.
01:42:56.000 But I was doing that because I was fighting at the time, and I was trying to figure out how to manage my mind.
01:43:02.000 So I was trying to figure out the inner workings of the human psyche.
01:43:05.000 Do you think, I know this is, I'm not, do you think your success made you a more calm person to not give a fuck?
01:43:17.000 Well, it certainly helps, right?
01:43:19.000 You don't have to give a fuck if you have enough money that you could just like disappear off into the sunset and never have to worry about money.
01:43:25.000 Because a lot of people are always worried about money.
01:43:27.000 And so you're always constantly in this state of anxiety trying to get more.
01:43:30.000 That helps.
01:43:31.000 But it's also, it's like, there's other things in life.
01:43:35.000 I concentrate on my loved ones.
01:43:36.000 I concentrate on my friends.
01:43:38.000 I concentrate on things I enjoy doing, on fun.
01:43:41.000 This life is short, man.
01:43:42.000 You and I are 58 years old.
01:43:44.000 We're more than halfway dead.
01:43:46.000 Why would you spend time concentrating on people you don't like?
01:43:49.000 Like, it's one thing if someone's wronging you.
01:43:51.000 It's one thing if you find out you have a business partner that's been stealing money or you have someone who's lying about.
01:43:58.000 Dane Cook.
01:44:00.000 No, I'm just saying.
01:44:01.000 I know.
01:44:02.000 His own brother still.
01:44:03.000 No doubt is like this yet.
01:44:04.000 What the fuck?
01:44:06.000 Yeah, it's very, very interesting.
01:44:09.000 And I'm at a place right now.
01:44:12.000 I was with John Hamm, right?
01:44:15.000 San Francisco.
01:44:16.000 And I had just did a show with Dave.
01:44:18.000 And it was interesting.
01:44:18.000 He said something to me.
01:44:19.000 He's in the back and he's with his wife and me kicking it.
01:44:21.000 He used to come out to summer camp and everything and hang out with us.
01:44:24.000 I don't want to say we like super friends, but we have mutual respect for each other.
01:44:27.000 And it was interesting because we're in the green room.
01:44:29.000 And this is after I just slayed this audience or whatever, right?
01:44:32.000 And I'm feeling good.
01:44:34.000 And he said, Don't, he said, what is it that you really want to do?
01:44:37.000 He said, what is it that you want?
01:44:39.000 He said, no, I mean, what is it?
01:44:39.000 I said, what kind of question?
01:44:41.000 Is it TV?
01:44:42.000 Is it TV show?
01:44:43.000 Is it movies?
01:44:44.000 I was like, John, I'm doing exactly what I want to do.
01:44:49.000 For me to be able to wake up, not have to work for anybody, call my own shots, make a fair wage, take care of my families, enjoy my friends and everything.
01:45:00.000 And it's me connecting with a God-given talent.
01:45:03.000 Anything else is a bonus.
01:45:05.000 I don't look at it like I need the private jet and everything.
01:45:08.000 Certain things you're like, you know, that would be nice.
01:45:10.000 But I just look at what this life has given me.
01:45:13.000 And I'm appreciative of that.
01:45:16.000 I know so many people that of my class, whatever, that aren't doing nearly as well as I am.
01:45:21.000 Or even the ones that are, that don't mean that they're happy.
01:45:24.000 You know what I'm saying?
01:45:25.000 So when he asked my question, I didn't think anything bad of it.
01:45:28.000 I was like, this, I don't get caught up on looking at somebody.
01:45:32.000 They got this, they got that.
01:45:33.000 I like this.
01:45:34.000 Am I happy?
01:45:35.000 Am I comfortable?
01:45:36.000 Do I get to do what I want?
01:45:37.000 So whether I tell people all this all the time, whether I get another film opportunity, whether I get another TV show or whatever, or any of that, I'm living what some people's dreams are.
01:45:50.000 And it's not my dream.
01:45:50.000 Yes.
01:45:52.000 It's my reality.
01:45:53.000 Yes.
01:45:54.000 And I also had to realize, this is so easy for us to do.
01:45:57.000 You can be so connected with somebody.
01:45:59.000 And even with my situation, with my connection with Dave and everything, I'm a huge fan of Dave.
01:46:04.000 He's given me great opportunities and everything.
01:46:06.000 But at some point in my life, I had to say, you can't be caught up in somebody else's dreams so much that you forget your realities.
01:46:14.000 And my reality is whether I'm alongside of him or what I'm doing, I got to continue to be Don Air Rollins.
01:46:20.000 I got to continue to support my family.
01:46:22.000 I got to continue to do things that I do.
01:46:24.000 And it's so easy.
01:46:26.000 It's so easy for me to get caught up like, I'm rolling with Dave.
01:46:29.000 We on the jets.
01:46:30.000 We doing this type of shit.
01:46:31.000 But then I'll lose focus on who I am.
01:46:33.000 And I realize for me, and my career continues to go when I know how to make that separation.
01:46:39.000 I do have a yeah, but the thing is, even when you're caught up with Dave, you still love him and you don't hate him at all.
01:46:45.000 You're not jealous of him.
01:46:47.000 Not at all.
01:46:47.000 You might get caught up in the wave because you're hanging out with one of the greatest comics that's ever lived, but it doesn't mean that it's a negative.
01:46:53.000 And you know another thing, let me add to that.
01:46:56.000 And I'm not blowing my own horn or whatever.
01:46:58.000 Like you said, one of the greatest comedians ever lived, right?
01:47:00.000 If a person had a conversation with Dave Chappelle, people could say whatever I'm worrying about, people think.
01:47:05.000 If you ask Dave who is in his top five comedians, my name's going to come up.
01:47:12.000 So as much as people, they always talk about, they always try to pin me like blah, blah, this and everything.
01:47:18.000 I respect the fact that he respects me.
01:47:21.000 I respect him.
01:47:22.000 When we work together, we push each other.
01:47:24.000 We make each other, whatever people want to say, we make each other better.
01:47:29.000 And what other people understand is that, like, he's like truly my friend.
01:47:34.000 You know what I mean?
01:47:35.000 It's not like I just work on a show, he's my friend.
01:47:38.000 And even when some of my fondest memories, especially when I come here, is when we was doing those fucking shows.
01:47:44.000 Yeah.
01:47:44.000 When we was doing shit nobody was doing.
01:47:46.000 When we were doing those lockdown shows, that was fun.
01:47:49.000 Yo, it was wild times.
01:47:51.000 It was, it was, it's all, it was already, we already have a community.
01:47:55.000 We all have mutual respect for each other.
01:47:56.000 But the thing that made that so special wasn't nobody doing this shit.
01:48:00.000 Right.
01:48:00.000 That's what made it even, and it really, one thing about the pandemic, it made you appreciate life a lot more than before the pandemic.
01:48:09.000 Yeah, it made you appreciate freedom.
01:48:11.000 Freedom.
01:48:12.000 Ability to do shows.
01:48:14.000 Remember, we did those shows outside and everybody was wearing a mask.
01:48:17.000 It was so stupid.
01:48:19.000 And they all got tested too.
01:48:21.000 We got, they was, I was, I had so much fun during the pandemic.
01:48:25.000 I was almost embarrassed to show the pictures I wanted to show, like faceless shit.
01:48:30.000 Yo, we were taking pictures and people was like, this, look at him.
01:48:34.000 He could kill my grandmother.
01:48:36.000 I'm like, all right, first of all, you did it.
01:48:38.000 Dave did.
01:48:39.000 I was like, people were like this.
01:48:40.000 Oh, it must be nice to have rich friends that have testing machines.
01:48:42.000 I was like, you're absolutely right.
01:48:44.000 It is.
01:48:45.000 It's beautiful.
01:48:46.000 It is the most amazing shit ever.
01:48:49.000 Dave Chappelle raped my nose for two summers in a row when we were doing the shows in the cornfields and shit.
01:48:56.000 But this is what people don't understand.
01:48:58.000 He took the opportunity.
01:49:00.000 That village of Yellow Springs, he made it as safe as it could be.
01:49:04.000 Like any place we would go, hotel staff.
01:49:07.000 Everybody had an opportunity to get, everybody had an opportunity to get tested.
01:49:11.000 And I remember, this was very interesting.
01:49:14.000 When the bubble we did one, this was Bob Sagart, R.I.P., we were doing these shows.
01:49:20.000 And I think that before Bob passed away, when he came out to Yellow Springs and was hanging out with Dave and us and everything, it gave him some incentive to want to go back on the road to do it.
01:49:29.000 He just got really excited about doing it again.
01:49:33.000 We did like 55 shows.
01:49:36.000 The summer was over.
01:49:37.000 The run was clear.
01:49:38.000 We had no positives or anything.
01:49:41.000 Dave extended the show another week.
01:49:44.000 And that week was when the bubble popped, right?
01:49:47.000 And now everybody is like freaking out.
01:49:49.000 Like, oh my God, these same women that was, people was coming out there when they was getting flown out in jets. 1.00
01:49:56.000 They weren't getting traffic, but Dave created his environment.
01:49:58.000 He wanted his friends around.
01:49:59.000 We was going to restaurants.
01:50:01.000 We would have the whole spot.
01:50:02.000 We was just doing all this stuff.
01:50:03.000 Nobody was thinking about the possible consequences of that.
01:50:07.000 And I remember this one girl was like, oh my God, I don't even know why I'm here.
01:50:10.000 Then I looked at Dave.
01:50:11.000 I was like, yo, man, damn, we almost made it, man, through.
01:50:14.000 He was like, Donnell, it's going to be okay.
01:50:16.000 He said, you got to realize this is the reason why we test.
01:50:20.000 When we first got our first positive, had we not been testing, it could have been crazy.
01:50:26.000 And we got a first positive because dudes went to do somebody else's podcast and they didn't test.
01:50:30.000 Remember that?
01:50:31.000 I remember that.
01:50:32.000 I remember that because I remember that scene.
01:50:36.000 It was so funny.
01:50:37.000 Yeah, that was here.
01:50:39.000 And it was like, something was different because we had one positive.
01:50:39.000 Yeah.
01:50:44.000 And you remember that backstage used to be blacked out, right?
01:50:46.000 It started getting lower and lower.
01:50:48.000 It was basically like me, Syphe Sounds.
01:50:51.000 Somebody else was in the green room, right?
01:50:53.000 And then Big J came.
01:50:54.000 That's one of my friends, good friends, Big J came back.
01:50:57.000 He had this look on his face like it's over, right?
01:51:00.000 He came in there and I looked, I said, boss man, got it.
01:51:04.000 Right.
01:51:04.000 He's like, yep.
01:51:05.000 And another thing Dave could have did, this is where I respect his character.
01:51:08.000 He could have been, at that time, he could have just been in the mask, went on stage, went back out.
01:51:12.000 He canceled the show.
01:51:13.000 But the funniest shit, it's a whole at stubbs.
01:51:16.000 Room is sold out, right?
01:51:18.000 And then Cena comes back and Cena was like, I need you to go out there and tell people that the show is canceled, right?
01:51:26.000 I said, you don't need me to do that shit, nigga. 1.00
01:51:29.000 Because the minute, it's one thing, if I go out there, people can be like, show starting, right?
01:51:35.000 And as a comedian, I'm not going to not tell jokes.
01:51:37.000 And then I'm like, oh, yeah, Dave's not going to show up.
01:51:39.000 But that was the crazy thing about that, everybody.
01:51:43.000 At the Line Hotel, they was making jokes, Joe.
01:51:46.000 They call it Corona, COVID Row.
01:51:48.000 Because we had the whole floor locked down, right?
01:51:53.000 And everybody in our team got it.
01:51:56.000 But it felt like an old school chicken pock party.
01:51:59.000 You know what I'm saying?
01:52:00.000 We got it.
01:52:01.000 We got it.
01:52:02.000 When I tell you, man, what we did, everything was like, okay, make sure you had your voluminous on that type of shit.
01:52:08.000 But the beauty of it was, we was like, you know, people was testing out like eight or nine days, right?
01:52:13.000 So we thought we were going to leave.
01:52:14.000 After a while, we was like, I was like, wait a minute, the next run was going to be in 10 days.
01:52:18.000 And for some reason, everybody went back to being negative.
01:52:22.000 We closed and did more shows and we got the fuck up out of here.
01:52:25.000 But it was a beautiful time, man.
01:52:26.000 It was a beautiful time.
01:52:27.000 It was fun to be alive.
01:52:27.000 It was a fun time.
01:52:28.000 Yep.
01:52:29.000 It was a fun time.
01:52:30.000 But it was crazy.
01:52:31.000 And then we did that.
01:52:32.000 What that fucking joint we did?
01:52:34.000 It was in Tacoma.
01:52:36.000 The Superdome.
01:52:38.000 That was wild.
01:52:39.000 27,000.
01:52:40.000 25,000.
01:52:41.000 Whatever it was.
01:52:42.000 We broke the Tacoma Dome record.
01:52:44.000 I never been in a place where the laughter was so hard.
01:52:48.000 It felt like helicopters was on the show.
01:52:50.000 It was crazy.
01:52:52.000 This is what I respect about what you guys did.
01:52:54.000 You got people saying they're doing arenas and shit, but normally.
01:52:57.000 But that was pre-COVID, brother.
01:52:59.000 It was pre-COVID?
01:53:00.000 Yeah, that was pre-COVID.
01:53:01.000 But before everything popped off.
01:53:03.000 What I will say about a real arena show, you got the arena show where a quarter of the venue is being used for stage and everything, right?
01:53:11.000 So it ain't the true capacity.
01:53:13.000 Right.
01:53:14.000 But the shows you motherfuckers was doing, it was in the round.
01:53:18.000 Right.
01:53:19.000 Well, the wildest thing was walking through the crowd to get to the stage.
01:53:22.000 Man, crazy.
01:53:24.000 You've experienced this shit of that walk from the UFC shit.
01:53:29.000 Man, I'm so grateful for you guys' friendship and everything.
01:53:32.000 And for me, it was so special for me because I didn't sell a ticket.
01:53:38.000 Nobody else, no open to sell.
01:53:39.000 You and Dave sold those tickets, right?
01:53:41.000 But the best feeling for me, Joe, was when I go out and DJ Trauma be like, you seen him on HBO's The Wire.
01:53:47.000 You seen him on BMF, whatever.
01:53:49.000 But simple line.
01:53:50.000 But you fell in love with Ashley Chappelle's show, and them people fucking go crazy.
01:53:55.000 I don't give a fuck if you've ever been in the fist fight in your life when you come through them tunnels.
01:54:00.000 You doing this shit right here.
01:54:01.000 You feel like Tyson, like, just give me a robe.
01:54:03.000 Just give me a towel. 0.97
01:54:05.000 I'm about to go beat these motherfuckers up. 1.00
01:54:07.000 And every show we had, there was no room for being okay.
01:54:12.000 You had to be on your game every time.
01:54:14.000 Yeah.
01:54:14.000 It was good times.
01:54:15.000 It was a good time.
01:54:16.000 Well, that was when all that COVID shit went down with me, when CNN turned my face green.
01:54:22.000 That was because of a Nashville show that we were doing that we had to cancel.
01:54:26.000 Yeah, I didn't know.
01:54:27.000 That's what that was.
01:54:28.000 Yeah, we were supposed to do a show that weekend, and I got COVID the previous weekend.
01:54:32.000 And I was doing an arena with Tony in Florida.
01:54:35.000 And I got COVID in Florida, and then I made that video on like a Tuesday or a Wednesday.
01:54:41.000 It was like the third day after I got COVID and where I got over it.
01:54:44.000 And I was like, you know, I feel fine, but we have to cancel the shows this weekend.
01:54:48.000 And that's when all the shit went down because I took Iver Mac then.
01:54:52.000 That was those reasons.
01:54:53.000 I remember that.
01:54:54.000 Oh, he has the answer, everything.
01:54:56.000 Yo, if he don't have the answer, at least he's fucking trying to find it.
01:54:59.000 It's so interesting.
01:55:01.000 Whether or not I had the answer, the crazy thing is I was better.
01:55:04.000 I was already better.
01:55:05.000 And they turned my face green on CNN.
01:55:09.000 We got to see how crazy the media really is.
01:55:12.000 Like, they didn't want to hear nothing, but you have to take this vaccine.
01:55:16.000 And you have to do that.
01:55:17.000 And if you didn't take this vaccine, you're a part of the problem.
01:55:19.000 It's so that I just don't, as devastating as that time was, I'm just, how is it just like fucking over now?
01:55:31.000 Is it hurt immunity?
01:55:32.000 How is it just like it almost?
01:55:34.000 It's hurt immunity.
01:55:35.000 It's, yeah, it's also, you know, everybody who got it got it.
01:55:38.000 You got immunity because of it.
01:55:41.000 And then also whatever variants are still left, they're significantly diminished.
01:55:46.000 That's how viruses generally are.
01:55:47.000 It's like a cold strand now, right?
01:55:48.000 Yes.
01:55:49.000 Well, that's how viruses generally go.
01:55:51.000 They become more transmissible but less potent over time.
01:55:54.000 Yeah, and that's what happened.
01:55:56.000 I'm going to tell you, there was a time, though, man.
01:55:58.000 I even said, man, maybe it was just something about how people got along with each other.
01:56:03.000 I was like, we should do like once a year, just have a week of just lockdown.
01:56:08.000 Yo, just so you can get it.
01:56:09.000 Man, it makes you appreciate freedom.
01:56:12.000 It made me appreciate nature, bro.
01:56:12.000 That's for sure.
01:56:15.000 I bought a fucking house in Yellow Spring because I was like, you know what?
01:56:17.000 Trees, woods.
01:56:19.000 I don't know if the streets can handle this, but I became a bird watcher, bro.
01:56:23.000 I watch bird.
01:56:25.000 I watched birds.
01:56:29.000 You know what that does to my street credit?
01:56:31.000 What?
01:56:32.000 To know the difference between a cardinal and a blue jay?
01:56:34.000 Is that bad?
01:56:36.000 It's not the most.
01:56:37.000 Listen, that's a Blue Jay call.
01:56:44.000 It's like, I can't be in the street talking about.
01:56:48.000 It was good shit.
01:56:49.000 If you can't appreciate nature, that's whatever.
01:56:52.000 That's a bullshit narrative.
01:56:54.000 That's ridiculous.
01:56:56.000 Here's the thing.
01:56:57.000 I didn't crash out today.
01:56:59.000 Didn't crash out.
01:57:01.000 I know people think I'm a crash out king.
01:57:02.000 It's not that.
01:57:03.000 Sometimes I just need to.
01:57:04.000 You mean on this show today?
01:57:06.000 Yeah.
01:57:06.000 What did I?
01:57:07.000 No.
01:57:08.000 You definitely accused Jamie of wearing a leather jacket.
01:57:08.000 No, you didn't.
01:57:10.000 Jamie did have a leather jacket.
01:57:12.000 He had a leather jacket on, man.
01:57:14.000 And I think he brushed his eyebrows, too.
01:57:17.000 It was everything.
01:57:19.000 I was like, I'd never seen this sexy side of Jamie.
01:57:22.000 He had like a British accent.
01:57:25.000 He was like, I think he wants a book.
01:57:28.000 I was like, who is his eyebrows?
01:57:30.000 I was like, who the fuck is this person, man?
01:57:34.000 It was something different.
01:57:36.000 We definitely went through something that most people would never experience in their life.
01:57:40.000 Nope.
01:57:41.000 And most previous generations never experienced it.
01:57:44.000 Having a nationwide, worldwide pandemic that everybody freaked out and we didn't.
01:57:49.000 Not only did we didn't freak out, we did shows.
01:57:52.000 We hung out together.
01:57:52.000 We had a good time.
01:57:54.000 Those after parties when we go to the line, you had a DJ, we would laugh and laugh.
01:57:59.000 We would laugh till two, three o'clock in the morning.
01:58:02.000 You know, the girl I was dating.
01:58:04.000 Girl I was dating the time.
01:58:04.000 It was so much fun.
01:58:06.000 She couldn't believe that she was like, I would be like this.
01:58:08.000 So what do you do?
01:58:09.000 I was like, well, I was at the line kicking with Dave and Joe.
01:58:13.000 What are y'all doing?
01:58:14.000 Just talking and laughing to 3:30 in the morning.
01:58:16.000 They were like, get the fuck out of here.
01:58:18.000 You was fucking.
01:58:20.000 No, I wasn't.
01:58:21.000 We was just on some brotherhood shit.
01:58:23.000 It was just so much.
01:58:25.000 And we also realized how special it was that we could do this while the whole world was locked down.
01:58:30.000 I'm telling you, I was embarrassed to show pictures.
01:58:30.000 Yep.
01:58:32.000 My mother called me, you better be careful out there.
01:58:35.000 Like man, I'm getting tested.
01:58:36.000 We got tested more than probably anybody in the country and that's.
01:58:39.000 I got tested every day because I was doing podcasts.
01:58:42.000 Through the whole thing, I did your show doing that one time yeah, and then we didn't.
01:58:45.000 I sat down and before I got the results the last time I was here, you was like, did he get the test?
01:58:52.000 I'm like I'm like this, please don't come in here like, get this motherfucker out of here. 0.93
01:58:58.000 Well, we definitely had a couple people that tested positive.
01:59:00.000 We had to get them out and I tested positive once.
01:59:03.000 But the thing about it making those, taking those precautions, you could isolate it.
01:59:07.000 You knew where it came and you shut it down.
01:59:09.000 That's one thing.
01:59:09.000 If you're not doing that, it's all over the place.
01:59:12.000 Just think about it.
01:59:13.000 If if, imagine if, Jamie would have got covered, then we would have never seen his sexy side now.
01:59:18.000 Jamie got covet.
01:59:19.000 He got covet before anybody.
01:59:20.000 He got covered really early on, when there was no vaccine, no treatment no, nothing.
01:59:25.000 He had to take a whole week off.
01:59:27.000 Um, maybe that's why he has the attitude that he has.
01:59:32.000 Yo y'all getting all this podcast.
01:59:35.000 You, you had covet that week, right?
01:59:37.000 Yeah yeah, he missed the Kanye Podcast.
01:59:40.000 Yeah, but I i'm sorry Jamie, if you thought I said anything that was kind of disrespectful to your character.
01:59:45.000 Well, it was just totally false.
01:59:47.000 No, it wasn't.
01:59:47.000 I'm telling you that ponytail I don't know what the fuck he did about it like a Steven Sagal ponytail yeah, and not only that, but he put his hair back like this, almost like the, like a ditty party.
02:00:00.000 That's how they start ditty parties, oiled up.
02:00:03.000 Yeah, I don't know.
02:00:04.000 Say that because I was never mind.
02:00:06.000 I never went to a ditty party.
02:00:08.000 I have a photo, but I never went to a ditty party.
02:00:12.000 Yeah, it's like I think people are going to be wiser if something like that happens again.
02:00:19.000 100 yeah, 100.
02:00:20.000 There's a lot of people that think they engineered that whole thing.
02:00:23.000 They wanted it to happen because it's the largest transfer of upward transfer of wealth in human history.
02:00:29.000 So many small companies went down.
02:00:31.000 Look at big businesses got made more money.
02:00:33.000 Look what it did to ZOOM yep, ZOOM.
02:00:36.000 I remember ZOOM because um, I was, I.
02:00:39.000 I had a show in Naples, Whatever.
02:00:41.000 I met this doctor that he wanted me to be on his podcast and I was like, how are we gonna do?
02:00:45.000 He said we can do it by zoom.
02:00:46.000 This is when it was only like for like, business people.
02:00:49.000 It was really like the nerdy thing.
02:00:51.000 Yeah, that's what it used to be.
02:00:52.000 Yeah, it used to be, but the pandemic it blew it up.
02:00:55.000 It was like, now, zoom is like that's the best way.
02:00:59.000 You don't want to talk to somebody on the phone.
02:01:00.000 They call you oh, i'm on a zoom right now.
02:01:02.000 It is so like in everybody's household and that just blew up.
02:01:05.000 So many businesses did the same thing.
02:01:06.000 Is anybody using that anymore?
02:01:08.000 Zoom yeah, they use it for an excuse not to talk to somebody.
02:01:12.000 Yeah, do they do zoom podcasts anymore?
02:01:14.000 Do people do zoom podcasts?
02:01:16.000 I never hear that term.
02:01:18.000 It used to be things like, oh, we're going to do it on zoom.
02:01:20.000 I don't hear that anymore.
02:01:21.000 A few other platforms exist.
02:01:23.000 Now I don't even think people discuss it, but yeah, they had one.
02:01:25.000 One was at Clubhouse, Whatever all of these things.
02:01:28.000 Oh yeah, Clubhouse was popular.
02:01:29.000 Clubhouse is a big one.
02:01:31.000 That was a big one where people were essentially doing podcasts like anybody could just like just talk, chime in and talk.
02:01:36.000 Shit was getting like a million followers in three days and shit like yeah, oh yeah, there was a lot of that and a lot of people thought that that was going to keep going, like clubhouse is going to be the new thing.
02:01:44.000 I'm like this is just bad podcasting And it's what.
02:01:47.000 There was.
02:01:48.000 Only so many things.
02:01:50.000 That battle, the diversus battles that they do now.
02:01:52.000 And when they have like, it's mostly, it's been hip-hop and R ⁇ B.
02:01:55.000 I think it was, who was it?
02:01:57.000 It was Swiss Beats and Timblin, I think.
02:02:02.000 They started this thing during the pandemic.
02:02:04.000 It was versus, right?
02:02:05.000 Where you have an artist versus another artist in like a competitive type of situation.
02:02:10.000 They didn't win anything, but it was just entertaining for everybody.
02:02:13.000 And that went from like, it was so low level.
02:02:15.000 Like people was in front of their computers.
02:02:17.000 It was freezing up and everything, but it was what everybody was doing.
02:02:21.000 Now that's like one of the biggest things now.
02:02:23.000 They did one at Madison Square Gardens.
02:02:26.000 Like it's a big thing now.
02:02:27.000 It's just like a competition.
02:02:29.000 Like you got, I think it had cash money and no limit records, but it's very, I don't see no white versus, but it's a popular thing. 0.77
02:02:37.000 And it started because of the pandemic.
02:02:39.000 Well, so many businesses started during the pandemic because a lot of people got laid off.
02:02:42.000 So they started their own business.
02:02:43.000 A lot of online businesses started.
02:02:46.000 A lot of people quit their jobs because they realized, look, they could just take this shit away from me at any minute.
02:02:50.000 Why am I doing something that I hate when I thought there was security in it?
02:02:53.000 There's no security in it.
02:02:54.000 I'm going to start my own business.
02:02:55.000 Also, even like you, you're an example of what happens when you finally realize that you don't need Hollywood the way it used to be.
02:03:06.000 No.
02:03:06.000 Well, we figured that out a long time ago.
02:03:09.000 We figured that out when the podcast started kicking off in like the early 2010s.
02:03:15.000 I realized that.
02:03:16.000 I was like, this is, I don't need TV shows anymore.
02:03:19.000 We figured that out in like 2013, 2014.
02:03:22.000 And Hollywood is not like, it used to be.
02:03:26.000 I'm a very old school guy, but I remember when I first started, you couldn't make it in this business.
02:03:32.000 You had to be in New York or L.A. Yep.
02:03:35.000 There was no producers going to, they wasn't going to Toledo, Ohio.
02:03:39.000 There was no way.
02:03:40.000 This was big.
02:03:41.000 Well, there's no comedy communities outside of New York and L.A.
02:03:44.000 No, not at all.
02:03:45.000 Not a real community.
02:03:46.000 There might have been like a good club that had some, like Denver always had like good opening acts, good comedy.
02:03:55.000 But it wasn't like a real hub like Austin is now.
02:03:59.000 And that wouldn't have happened if it hadn't been for the pandemic.
02:04:02.000 People wouldn't have moved.
02:04:03.000 They wouldn't have moved.
02:04:04.000 No.
02:04:04.000 And you brought a whole community here.
02:04:06.000 As much as this place was always big for music or whatever, but I mean, there's no way anybody cannot agree with what you did and what you made it appealing to a lot of people is that you could go somewhere else, get a better quality of life.
02:04:21.000 Yeah.
02:04:22.000 And everything.
02:04:23.000 Lower cost of living, better quality of life, no traffic, nicer people, and no Hollywood bullshit.
02:04:28.000 The problem with the LA is always going to be poisoned by the idea of going there to become famous.
02:04:37.000 That whole idea was permeated in the culture of LA and that fame was like the number one commodity.
02:04:44.000 But back then it was, that was the case.
02:04:46.000 It was the case.
02:04:48.000 But the problem is that's bad for art.
02:04:51.000 It's bad for your ability to produce shit.
02:04:54.000 I mean, you got great comics that came out of LA, but that was in spite of what L.A. had to offer.
02:04:59.000 It wasn't because of.
02:05:01.000 Whereas Austin, like the main reason people come here, first of all, is Kill Tony.
02:05:06.000 Because like you said, Kill Tony is one of the rare places where you can be a comic that's been doing comedy three, four years.
02:05:13.000 Even just start now, but you got some talent.
02:05:15.000 You can have a fucking career.
02:05:17.000 Like a real career and it'll launch.
02:05:19.000 Look, you got Cam Patterson who's on SNL right now.
02:05:22.000 You got all these people like William Montgomery, David Lucas.
02:05:25.000 They're killing it on the road, selling out everywhere they go.
02:05:29.000 Ari Maddie, this guy, I mean, they have a real career in the world.
02:05:31.000 But you know, another thing that they don't understand is like, this is what I say, and I use you as an example.
02:05:37.000 Whenever you hear about somebody saying that they want to do a podcast, the first thing is certain names like, I want to be Joe Rogan.
02:05:44.000 And I said this before.
02:05:46.000 Nobody wanted to be Joe Rogan fucking 25 years ago.
02:05:51.000 They didn't want to put the work in.
02:05:52.000 They want to see the accolades, the fortune you've built.
02:05:55.000 They see that part, but nobody sees the hard work.
02:05:58.000 Even with Kill Tony, the fact that during the pandemic, when he could have let the whole platform just fall apart, like we don't know when we're going to do it, he dug deeper and figured out a way, I'm just going to continue to do it.
02:06:10.000 Nobody ever respects the journey.
02:06:14.000 And if you think about it, Joe, and you probably the same way.
02:06:14.000 Right.
02:06:17.000 Most successful people, and I know some very, very wealthy people, right?
02:06:21.000 And when they talk about their career, whatever, they hardly ever talk about the yacht.
02:06:27.000 They ever talk about the fucking mansion they got in Paris.
02:06:31.000 You know, they talk about it was just me and my wife and we drove a Toyota, you know, a Toyota Corolla.
02:06:36.000 And we was like, we was down to our last 10 bucks and she did this.
02:06:40.000 That's the most interesting part of the story for most successful people.
02:06:44.000 And people don't understand that.
02:06:45.000 Right.
02:06:45.000 They only think about where you got to.
02:06:47.000 I want to get to there too.
02:06:47.000 Right.
02:06:48.000 They want to skip everything.
02:06:50.000 I hear people right now.
02:06:51.000 I want to be like, stand up.
02:06:52.000 I'm like, all right.
02:06:54.000 Well, no, when I was doing HBO's The Wire, right?
02:06:57.000 This guy I knew, I grew up with, he was like, this motherfucker said, yo, D, what's the number to the wire?
02:07:03.000 I want to call him.
02:07:04.000 I want to be on the wire.
02:07:06.000 Like, there's a wire.
02:07:08.000 Hey, is this David Simon?
02:07:10.000 Yeah.
02:07:11.000 I could be Omar.
02:07:14.000 And guess what?
02:07:15.000 If I knew the number to the wire, I wouldn't give it to you.
02:07:18.000 I'm going to give it to you.
02:07:19.000 I'm not giving it to you.
02:07:20.000 I want you to get that busy signal.
02:07:23.000 That's what it's.
02:07:24.000 Nobody ever wants to respect the grind.
02:07:27.000 And they all, everybody wants the rewards of the grind.
02:07:30.000 Plus.
02:07:31.000 Everybody.
02:07:32.000 It's just people that are missing it.
02:07:34.000 They're not getting what it's all about.
02:07:37.000 Like, Kill Tony's a great example of that.
02:07:37.000 What it's all about.
02:07:39.000 I was there in the early days of Kill Tony.
02:07:42.000 When Tony started out in 2013, there was no one in the crowd.
02:07:45.000 There was no one there.
02:07:46.000 It was a small show.
02:07:48.000 You'd have a few comedians.
02:07:50.000 I was doing it back before I was back at the comedy store, but I was still banned.
02:07:53.000 So I was doing it from the ice house.
02:07:56.000 And he didn't do it thinking it was going to be the number one show in the world and he was going to be on Netflix.
02:08:01.000 And he did it because it was fun to do.
02:08:04.000 And he loved it.
02:08:04.000 And he wanted to do a great job.
02:08:06.000 And he wanted to make it better every week.
02:08:07.000 And he kept doing it and kept getting better at it.
02:08:09.000 It's the same thing with this podcast.
02:08:11.000 This podcast didn't make money for years.
02:08:13.000 Didn't make any money for years.
02:08:15.000 It cost money.
02:08:16.000 But the most successful people are the ones, like even with when I first started doing comedy, right?
02:08:22.000 I never, you have some comedians that go out there like, I want to do comedy.
02:08:26.000 I want to get the money.
02:08:27.000 I want to get pussy off of it, right? 0.99
02:08:29.000 When I first started, I never, the only thing I wanted to do, Joe, I wanted to be good.
02:08:34.000 I was like this, if I'm good, all those other things that are rewards of that, that would happen.
02:08:39.000 But I had to be good first.
02:08:40.000 And here's the thing that I think, especially when you have these like social media comedians or whatever, the thing that the interesting thing about it, it's kind of hard to tell somebody to work on their craft when they're getting all the perks of what the craft can present them at an early, early stage.
02:08:59.000 It's hard to tell somebody that's only been doing it for two years, that's making $50,000 or $100,000 a month off of monetizing something.
02:09:07.000 They're like, this, you need to get better.
02:09:09.000 Hello?
02:09:11.000 They don't have to.
02:09:12.000 Like, do whatever the fuck you want to do.
02:09:14.000 If you just want to do that, do that.
02:09:16.000 And also, some of them are going to figure it out anyway.
02:09:19.000 Some of them are going to figure out, I'm not getting better.
02:09:22.000 I'm going to work harder at it.
02:09:22.000 I'll get better.
02:09:24.000 There's going to be people that don't figure things out no matter what you do in this life.
02:09:28.000 There's going to be a bunch of people that have a distorted perception of what success is all about and what you really want.
02:09:34.000 It's always going to be that.
02:09:35.000 What do you, what do you, what is, this is an interesting question.
02:09:38.000 What is your definition of success?
02:09:41.000 Happiness.
02:09:42.000 Happiness and doing something that you enjoy doing.
02:09:45.000 It's something that's challenging.
02:09:46.000 So, what is the definition of happiness?
02:09:48.000 Friendship, love, doing something I enjoy doing, doing it well, doing it better all the time, getting better at it.
02:09:57.000 You know, I mean, and struggle.
02:09:58.000 You're always going to have some kind of a struggle.
02:10:00.000 And that struggle, hopefully, is you trying to be better at the thing that you're doing.
02:10:05.000 You?
02:10:06.000 What gives you this? Is an interesting question.
02:10:09.000 What gives you the incentive to always continue to want to perform?
02:10:17.000 What gives you an incentive to always want to do Joe Rogan and Friends when you could just sit back and fucking just.
02:10:22.000 Because it's fun.
02:10:23.000 It's fun.
02:10:25.000 It's first of all, the green room on Tuesday and Wednesday nights at the mothership.
02:10:28.000 It's one of the funniest times I've ever had in my fucking life.
02:10:30.000 It's so fun.
02:10:32.000 We have so much fun there.
02:10:33.000 There's Ron White there and Shane Gillis and Tony.
02:10:36.000 And it's fun.
02:10:37.000 It's, I mean, it's community.
02:10:39.000 Sounds like you're trying to give me the chance to.
02:10:40.000 We enjoy our times.
02:10:41.000 Would you want to come on?
02:10:43.000 I got to come to a Tuesday.
02:10:45.000 What are you doing tomorrow?
02:10:47.000 Come on, Daniel.
02:10:49.000 What do you got going on tomorrow?
02:10:50.000 Where are you headed back to Ohio?
02:10:52.000 No, I'm going to LA.
02:10:53.000 Do you have a show?
02:10:55.000 I got a son.
02:10:56.000 Well, that's different.
02:10:56.000 Okay.
02:10:57.000 That's more important.
02:10:58.000 But I can just give him some Roblox money.
02:11:05.000 I'll give you some Roblox money.
02:11:07.000 He'll be cool.
02:11:07.000 Let me see.
02:11:08.000 I might, because, cam, I didn't, I wish I would have even thought about it before.
02:11:12.000 But I might, I might, because I haven't had that experience.
02:11:15.000 Oh, come down then if you can.
02:11:17.000 If your son's cool with it, do it.
02:11:19.000 If not, there's always another look at another.
02:11:21.000 And this is another thing about me being an older dad.
02:11:23.000 Like, my son is really the age.
02:11:25.000 He could be my grandson.
02:11:26.000 I don't have time to do all those instill vials and morals and shit.
02:11:31.000 I'm like, this, will candy shut this motherfucker up? 1.00
02:11:35.000 Yo, I'm like, yo, let's go to McDonald's or whatever.
02:11:37.000 But yeah, I'm going to see.
02:11:38.000 I would definitely consider that.
02:11:40.000 Yeah.
02:11:40.000 Consider it.
02:11:41.000 But that's what I like.
02:11:42.000 I mean, I'm just enjoying my life and I like to do things that I find that are interesting and challenging.
02:11:47.000 And I like to have conversations with interesting people.
02:11:50.000 And I like the fact that people enjoy it still.
02:11:52.000 You know, when I first met you, you know, and I already knew that you had the ultimate platform, right?
02:12:00.000 And I never, this is me.
02:12:02.000 And I don't know if this is what happened, but I was like, I never want to be like, hey, Joe Rogan, I'm Donnell Robinson, so-and-so.
02:12:08.000 And the only respect I ever wanted to get from my peers and people that were doing it was like from the stage.
02:12:13.000 You know, I always like, I was like, if we ever make the connection, I wanted to be off of, yo, this motherfucker is funny first, not just like, hey, you know, I rock with Dave and everything.
02:12:23.000 I think that that was what happened.
02:12:24.000 I used to spend time in it, and I never, never did, even to this day.
02:12:28.000 I don't, you know, I just look at like the resp, I just want people, you can respect me as a man and respect my character, whatever.
02:12:36.000 But at the end of the day, what I love to do the most is stand up.
02:12:40.000 I want you to be like, yo, this motherfucker puts the work in, and then we can build everything off of that.
02:12:45.000 That's what respect I wanted.
02:12:47.000 I want the respect from what I put in, the work I put in.
02:12:50.000 And people can acknowledge that, and that's what builds my relationship with you.
02:12:53.000 It's built my relationships with all of these, all these guys.
02:12:58.000 All of these people that I fuck with now, it ain't because other than anything other than like, yo, he's a dope comic, and then you can find out that I'm a good dude.
02:13:06.000 Yeah.
02:13:07.000 It's that.
02:13:08.000 And then after that, it's got to be like, are you cool?
02:13:11.000 Right.
02:13:12.000 Is he fun to hang out with?
02:13:13.000 Right.
02:13:14.000 Yeah.
02:13:14.000 Barry Ketch said that one time.
02:13:15.000 He said that in one of his podcasts.
02:13:17.000 It's one of the things that separate like who goes on the road or so-and-so is if you're a good hang.
02:13:23.000 And I'm like, oh my God, that's everything.
02:13:23.000 Yeah.
02:13:25.000 I don't know how many people quote Barry Ketch, but I want to share this story.
02:13:28.000 You might be the only one.
02:13:30.000 You said, probably the only one.
02:13:32.000 But you said something earlier about undeniable, right?
02:13:35.000 Yeah.
02:13:36.000 I remember when I first moved from DC and I moved up to New York, I was doing the Chitlin Circuit, the Black Circuit.
02:13:41.000 I was popular in the black community, whatever.
02:13:43.000 I was like, I don't think this is going to be enough.
02:13:45.000 I want to do the mainstream stuff.
02:13:47.000 I want to do these other things, right?
02:13:49.000 And Barry Katz, Dave used to host this comedy night at this place called El Flamingos in DC, in New York.
02:13:57.000 And Barry Katz saw me there one day.
02:13:59.000 He was like, I don't think I've ever seen a comedian that go in front of an audience that was ready to rip someone's head off, and you could hear silence.
02:14:08.000 You know, that's the control I had with the audience.
02:14:10.000 So we built sort of a respect for each other.
02:14:13.000 And I remember one time I was at the comedy cellar and he was there.
02:14:17.000 And I knew that he was back then, whatever you want to say about him, nobody had a roster bigger than Barry Katz.
02:14:23.000 Back then, in like 97 or whatever, he had everybody.
02:14:29.000 The list goes on and on.
02:14:30.000 So I knew he was a fan of mine.
02:14:32.000 And I said, Barry, man, I'm trying to work these clubs, these mainstream clubs, but I'm having a hard time getting in past these clubs.
02:14:41.000 I was like, could you make a phone call or whatever for me?
02:14:43.000 And he looked at me.
02:14:44.000 He said, Donnell, he said, this is what you do.
02:14:47.000 I'll probably do the worst.
02:14:48.000 Everybody does it better, better Barry Katz.
02:14:50.000 You got to do Barry like this.
02:14:52.000 Yeah.
02:14:53.000 Okay, I'll try to get it.
02:14:54.000 He was like, that's just what you do.
02:14:56.000 And slowing down.
02:14:57.000 He said, Donnell, just rip.
02:15:02.000 Right?
02:15:02.000 He said, Yeah, be undeniable.
02:15:04.000 That's what he said.
02:15:05.000 He said, just be, he said, I'm not talking.
02:15:07.000 And I tell, this is advice I give people.
02:15:09.000 They say, well, I need social.
02:15:11.000 I was like, I'm not talking about have one good set and you have four bad sets.
02:15:15.000 I'm talking about the consistency where every time somebody sees you going that stage, you blowing the roof off.
02:15:23.000 And once you do that, managers are going to come to you.
02:15:27.000 They're going to hear about it.
02:15:28.000 That's one of the things that a lot of people try to skip.
02:15:31.000 They're like, oh, how was your set?
02:15:33.000 It was okay, but I can't talk to you.
02:15:35.000 Unless you just straight destroying shit everywhere, then you got other shit to work on.
02:15:42.000 Yeah.
02:15:42.000 And there's also a lot of people that are very delusional about how well they're doing because they want so much.
02:15:47.000 They want it all to be about them.
02:15:48.000 So they think they should have already had this.
02:15:50.000 They should have already had that.
02:15:51.000 Why don't I have a sitcom?
02:15:53.000 Why don't I have a this?
02:15:54.000 Why don't I have a that?
02:15:55.000 And I always said this is another thing, even with these lineups, you do these shows, whatever.
02:15:59.000 Always say that you have time to have a defining moment.
02:16:03.000 If you're in the room, right, and for some reason, the room is on fire, the club is on fire, everybody is ripping.
02:16:11.000 You probably won't stand out as much as that night when everybody was bombing.
02:16:16.000 You've seen rooms where everybody comes back and say that crowd was weird, but then you got one motherfucker back there like this.
02:16:22.000 I don't give a fuck what y'all doing.
02:16:24.000 I'm going to elevate this.
02:16:24.000 Right.
02:16:27.000 Those are the times when you got to fucking stand up.
02:16:31.000 Yeah, well, we used to see that all the time at the store, like late night at the store in particular, where like, you know, because the way the store works, the show starts at 8 p.m. and it goes on till 2 a.m.
02:16:42.000 And there's a lot of people that get there at 8 p.m. that are like, you know, tourists that are in town.
02:16:49.000 And they sit there for the whole fucking show.
02:16:51.000 They came to see the comedy store.
02:16:53.000 Yeah.
02:16:53.000 So by the time 12:30 rolls around, fuck, they've seen everything.
02:16:58.000 And so you get this lull period.
02:17:00.000 And then someone will go up and just tear that fucking place apart with 50 people. 0.93
02:17:04.000 When I used to, I was so naive when I first started that we used to have open mics, right?
02:17:11.000 And the open mic list would be like 25 people, right?
02:17:15.000 And they fucking, the guy that was running, they hated me so much because I used to talk shit in the audience and everything.
02:17:21.000 And they would keep bumping me down, right?
02:17:24.000 And my dumb ass never got mad, right?
02:17:26.000 I was like, this, yeah, they want me to headline.
02:17:29.000 25 comedians.
02:17:31.000 I took that.
02:17:32.000 I was like, I didn't think about audience fatigue or anything.
02:17:35.000 Oh, boy.
02:17:36.000 I just was like, yeah.
02:17:38.000 And it would be, but I'm telling you, I think that was one of the things that made me strong because I was like, I'm going to do what the next person.
02:17:49.000 There's one story.
02:17:50.000 This is one of, if you ask Dave Chappelle one of the dopest sets he's ever seen.
02:17:57.000 I just happened to be a part of that.
02:17:58.000 It was at the Hollywood Bowl years ago, about three years ago, right?
02:18:01.000 You know, Jeff.
02:18:02.000 Is that when he got attacked?
02:18:03.000 No, no, that wasn't that.
02:18:04.000 It was like the year before.
02:18:05.000 You know, Jeff Wills Live Nation, right?
02:18:07.000 Sure.
02:18:08.000 So we're doing.
02:18:09.000 Shout out to Jeff.
02:18:10.000 Shout out to Jeff.
02:18:11.000 We're doing a show.
02:18:13.000 You know, Hollywood Bowls, 18,000 people, right?
02:18:16.000 So show starts at 7 o'clock, right?
02:18:18.000 Jeff comes up to me.
02:18:19.000 He was like, Donnie, I got some good news and bad news.
02:18:21.000 He said, what?
02:18:21.000 He said, we're going to start on time.
02:18:23.000 It's only, but, 700 people out there, right?
02:18:26.000 Now, you imagine what 700 people look like in front of 18,000 place, right?
02:18:31.000 He said, there's only 700 people out there.
02:18:33.000 He said, well, I can let you start now or we can wait 10 minutes.
02:18:37.000 I was like, Jeff, it's not like 17,000 people are going to show up in 10 minutes.
02:18:42.000 I said, give me the mic now.
02:18:44.000 Big ass stage. 1.00
02:18:45.000 I jump off the stage, right?
02:18:47.000 Dave and all these people in the green room.
02:18:48.000 I jump off the stage.
02:18:49.000 I go into the audience.
02:18:50.000 I'm literally going to each person in the theater.
02:18:55.000 And I'll get you a picture.
02:18:56.000 You can answer this.
02:18:57.000 I'm going to each person.
02:18:59.000 Why didn't they wait for the people to show up and sit down?
02:19:01.000 That's what I wanted to say, but they were just like, the show has to continue.
02:19:05.000 I don't allow that.
02:19:07.000 I'll tell you nothing.
02:19:07.000 I never allow that.
02:19:08.000 You've tried to do that before with me.
02:19:10.000 And they say, we're going to have to pay more money if the show goes over.
02:19:12.000 I go, then the show goes over and we pay more money.
02:19:14.000 Get the fuck out of here.
02:19:15.000 But for me, it was a moment because any other comedian, not any other, most people are like this.
02:19:20.000 Oh, it wasn't nobody out there.
02:19:21.000 So many excuses.
02:19:22.000 I jumped off stage.
02:19:23.000 I was like, no, I can't be up here.
02:19:26.000 Look like I'm about to be auctioned off.
02:19:28.000 I go in the audience.
02:19:29.000 I'm going to each joint, right?
02:19:31.000 And I'm fucking killing 700 people in front of 18,000 people.
02:19:36.000 That's a great way to start a show.
02:19:37.000 But listen, and I'm like this.
02:19:39.000 And here's the fucked up thing about this. 0.78
02:19:41.000 Nobody's going to know about it because your fucking phones are locked up, right?
02:19:45.000 Yo, it was a moment.
02:19:47.000 Dave, Dave, everybody for the green room came out, right?
02:19:52.000 And Dave told me to this day, he said, if I was doing a class on stand-up comedy, he said, I would use this as an example of like owning up to it.
02:20:02.000 And it was so crazy, man.
02:20:03.000 It was like, and it was just, it was crazy.
02:20:08.000 I remember another time I was working with, I think I was working with you.
02:20:13.000 It was me, you, and Dave.
02:20:14.000 And I think it was a time we was doing an outdoor theater.
02:20:17.000 And it was supposed to be a break.
02:20:21.000 It was supposed to be me.
02:20:22.000 It was supposed to be, I think, you, Tony, or whatever, or something.
02:20:25.000 Then it was a break.
02:20:27.000 And then it was going to be me and Dave.
02:20:29.000 But it was still daytime, right?
02:20:33.000 Where was this?
02:20:34.000 I can't remember the place.
02:20:35.000 It was still, Jeff, he came up to me.
02:20:37.000 He was like, I was like, I already know.
02:20:39.000 I'm going to have to go on there.
02:20:40.000 And I literally had to perform until it started getting dark.
02:20:45.000 Oh, I remember this.
02:20:47.000 And I was saying to myself, I was like, ain't no way.
02:20:50.000 I was like, this, ain't no way they give a Rogan.
02:20:52.000 And it wasn't a shitty audience.
02:20:53.000 People just hadn't come yet.
02:20:55.000 I was like, I knew I was going to even suggest.
02:20:58.000 I was like, nah, we had these two halves, right?
02:21:00.000 And it was, and that was another example of, okay, you got to do what you got to do.
02:21:04.000 And I had to go up there.
02:21:05.000 It wasn't the spot that I expected or whatever, but I was like, this, you know, for the sake of the show.
02:21:09.000 And I'm always like, what do we need to do to support this?
02:21:11.000 And we had to bring it down.
02:21:14.000 We had to buy some more time.
02:21:15.000 And then by the time you got on stage, everybody was seated.
02:21:19.000 It was dark.
02:21:19.000 It was dark.
02:21:21.000 That was outside of San Francisco.
02:21:22.000 I can't remember exactly.
02:21:24.000 That was California.
02:21:25.000 That was California.
02:21:26.000 That shit was fun.
02:21:27.000 But I tell people all the time, and I do slight mentor.
02:21:29.000 I was like, man, it's certain times where you got to do what the next person is not going to do.
02:21:35.000 You can't bitch about shit. 0.92
02:21:37.000 And at the end of the day, you got to be a fucker.
02:21:39.000 I know when I used to do these shows with Dave, I used to fucking get the shittiest time.
02:21:44.000 Like, oh, we're at 30% capacity.
02:21:47.000 I'm like, man, half of these motherfuckers are not even going to see me.
02:21:49.000 But I looked at it like this.
02:21:51.000 Well, the people that's going to see me, they're going to remember it, you know?
02:21:54.000 And you just got to keep on going.
02:21:56.000 That's a good attitude.
02:21:58.000 Yep.
02:21:58.000 Yeah.
02:21:59.000 That's healthy.
02:22:00.000 See, I feel like this.
02:22:02.000 Very productive.
02:22:03.000 This conversation is going to bode well with my mental health.
02:22:07.000 Yeah, I think so too.
02:22:08.000 Everything except the lies you told about Jamie.
02:22:13.000 You know what I'm going to do?
02:22:14.000 I'm going to start taking fucking videos.
02:22:17.000 I wish I would have had it.
02:22:18.000 Yeah, I wish he did too.
02:22:19.000 You would see, like, oh man, he didn't even have a leather jacket on.
02:22:19.000 And the thing about it.
02:22:22.000 And he wasn't even talking to me.
02:22:24.000 He was talking to me like, what is it?
02:22:28.000 I walked up.
02:22:28.000 He didn't even know who I was at first.
02:22:31.000 Guess why?
02:22:32.000 Why didn't I know?
02:22:33.000 I never know that.
02:22:35.000 I was like, who is this fake ass Jamie ass motherfucker?
02:22:38.000 It's like, it was almost like, remember when Family Battles, Urkel and then Stefan?
02:22:45.000 It was two characters.
02:22:46.000 They had the geeky Urkel and then his alter ego, whatever.
02:22:51.000 He was just this cool ass.
02:22:53.000 He was the same person.
02:22:54.000 What is happening to that dude?
02:22:56.000 Urkel.
02:22:56.000 Yeah.
02:22:57.000 Oh, he's been around.
02:22:58.000 What's that?
02:22:58.000 Some weed.
02:22:59.000 Is he?
02:23:00.000 He was.
02:23:00.000 And his weed is really good.
02:23:01.000 He's got a weed, Urkel Purple.
02:23:04.000 It's the best.
02:23:04.000 He got this joint hero, and it's like some type of Italian noodle, the spiral noodle.
02:23:09.000 He used that as a filter.
02:23:10.000 But also, I spent a lot of time with him because he would come out to the cornfields, whatever.
02:23:15.000 So I've been seeing him.
02:23:16.000 He's got a talk show.
02:23:17.000 Didn't he get jacked?
02:23:19.000 Isn't he like, is that him?
02:23:20.000 Julie White?
02:23:21.000 Yeah.
02:23:22.000 I heard Urkel got in great shape.
02:23:22.000 I don't know.
02:23:24.000 Yeah, but he's a good guy, man.
02:23:25.000 But he's another one of those celebrities I know that want to do comedy but don't have the heart to do it.
02:23:31.000 Always, I was like, he said, no, no, no, don't do that.
02:23:33.000 But he's a great guy.
02:23:35.000 It's hard to start out already famous.
02:23:37.000 That's one of the things that I really respected about Charlie.
02:23:39.000 Charlie was already famous when he was starting.
02:23:42.000 Do you know who started Charlie?
02:23:44.000 Who?
02:23:45.000 Did you?
02:23:45.000 Me.
02:23:46.000 And this is how it happened.
02:23:47.000 When we were doing the Chappelle show, it's safe to say, like, nobody was really making money.
02:23:53.000 You know, in the contract, when you, in your contract, if your show just blows up, you got to stick to whatever you was getting for the contract.
02:23:58.000 So we weren't making a lot of money doing the show.
02:24:01.000 But I was like, we're too popular right now.
02:24:03.000 And at that time, it was me and Charlie.
02:24:05.000 It was Dave, me, and Charlie, like the biggest names on the show.
02:24:08.000 So this was Mike Berkowitz, who's head of Willem and Morris right now, right?
02:24:13.000 He was a young agent at the time, right?
02:24:15.000 He was coming up.
02:24:16.000 And I was like, I told Jason, my manager at the time, Jason Steinberg, I said, man, we got to do a tour or something.
02:24:21.000 I was like, yo, everybody's talking about I'm rich, bitch.
02:24:24.000 I was like, let's do I'm rich, bitch, tour, right? 0.91
02:24:26.000 He was like, it's a good idea.
02:24:28.000 I said, me and Charlie can do it.
02:24:30.000 At the time, that was only a two-man show.
02:24:32.000 Charlie didn't have no time or anything.
02:24:35.000 And I was like, you know what?
02:24:36.000 I want to do it.
02:24:37.000 Because it was my idea.
02:24:38.000 I said, I want to do me, Charlie.
02:24:40.000 I said, we need another comedian.
02:24:42.000 At the time, Bill Burr was not making a lot of money doing stand-up.
02:24:45.000 And I'm not disrespecting him, but everybody knew he was going to blow.
02:24:49.000 But that was early on in the career.
02:24:50.000 And all Bill had to do was have a situation like he had in Philly.
02:24:54.000 Everybody knew he was going to blow.
02:24:55.000 So I said, why don't we do a tour?
02:24:57.000 Me, Charlie, and Bill Bird.
02:24:59.000 That shit would be hot. 0.82
02:25:00.000 Charlie had never did stand-up.
02:25:02.000 And he used to always crack jokes and shit.
02:25:04.000 I was like, yeah, you talk a lot of shit.
02:25:06.000 But once that microphone, your ass, you a bitch-ass motherfucker. 1.00
02:25:09.000 So Charlie was a guy like, don't threaten him with anything, right?
02:25:13.000 So this is when they had the Laugh Factory in New York, a Times Square, right?
02:25:17.000 One of my friends was doing the show there.
02:25:18.000 I was like, Charlie, yo, if we're going to do this tour, you got to at least have 10 minutes.
02:25:23.000 He could have, at that time, Charlie was so hot.
02:25:25.000 People would have just yelled out, Charlie Bervey, for five minutes.
02:25:29.000 He was the MC.
02:25:30.000 We just needed his face to be there.
02:25:33.000 And this was, it would be Charlie, Charlie, Bill Burr, and myself.
02:25:38.000 And Charlie had no jokes, right?
02:25:41.000 And like you said, I was like, maybe, I don't know if you guys understand how it is to be selling out as an open micer.
02:25:47.000 Crazy.
02:25:48.000 And he had to get his voice.
02:25:49.000 And I know, and I was like, why did he never do this?
02:25:51.000 Part of it was because he probably never wanted to be compared to his brother.
02:25:55.000 He never wanted to be able to, that's his brother.
02:25:55.000 Right.
02:25:59.000 And he had his own style or whatever.
02:26:01.000 So we did this fucking tour for like a year.
02:26:05.000 And then I saw him start to grow.
02:26:07.000 Sometimes he took some hits, but he became Charlie Murphy.
02:26:12.000 He became like, I'm not my brother.
02:26:14.000 I'm a storyteller.
02:26:15.000 He stuck to that shit.
02:26:17.000 And one of the things that I would say that I really appreciate about what the Chappelle show gave to Charlie Murphy, when Charlie Murphy passed away, Joe, nobody said Eddie Murphy's brother died.
02:26:30.000 They said Charlie Murphy passed away.
02:26:32.000 So that show didn't do it.
02:26:34.000 And when I tell you, one of the most stand-up, original guys, all of those stories, like, was it true?
02:26:40.000 It was, he told, that was just part of the story.
02:26:44.000 Me, Dave, me, Charlie, and Bill built a relationship.
02:26:48.000 We did something that was spectacular then.
02:26:51.000 But Bill Bird used to fuck with us.
02:26:55.000 And I'm going to tell you one of the things he would do.
02:26:57.000 We would be on the road, and all we used to do was argue and fight and just fuck with each other one time.
02:27:02.000 And Bill Bird, he did some fucking. 0.98
02:27:04.000 I don't want to call this racist or whatever.
02:27:05.000 But whatever.
02:27:07.000 It was very Bostonian.
02:27:09.000 Okay.
02:27:10.000 But what he did, I didn't know two years later.
02:27:13.000 Bill Bird, when we meet up, he would buy a fucking like 12-piece of Popeye's chicken, right?
02:27:20.000 And he knew me and Charlie would devour that chicken and we would be in a sleep coma, right?
02:27:25.000 The next 15 minutes.
02:27:26.000 And it was almost like he gave us sleeping pills and shit.
02:27:29.000 He would get his chicken, we'd be knocked out, and then he'd just go and just laugh at us and shit.
02:27:33.000 But that time, that was such a great time because you saw people's careers being bored.
02:27:39.000 Like Bill was already on a trajectory to be great.
02:27:43.000 You know what I'm saying?
02:27:44.000 But at that time, and this is when I say the stories that you remember, I'm pretty sure Bill still remembers.
02:27:49.000 Like, this was the first time that he was making like regular good money every week.
02:27:56.000 You know how it is for be a fucking headliner that's doing $800 a weekend.
02:28:02.000 Or they give you a deal $2,000 and then you get a $500 bonus when you sell or give away 300 tickets.
02:28:09.000 And you're not working every weekend.
02:28:10.000 And you're not working every weekend.
02:28:11.000 And then you got club owners like your bonus is supposed to be at 300.
02:28:15.000 And they'd be like, couldn't give you that bonus.
02:28:17.000 You were at 298.
02:28:19.000 You know, I'd be like, motherfucker, I couldn't do it.
02:28:21.000 And they lied too.
02:28:22.000 They lied to it.
02:28:23.000 They lie about how many tickets you sold.
02:28:24.000 They lied to it.
02:28:25.000 And then they wondered why when guys become big and everything, they don't want to come back.
02:28:29.000 Because I remember that.
02:28:30.000 Oh, I remember that.
02:28:31.000 There's a couple club owners that they can go eat shit. 0.98
02:28:34.000 And I tell people all the time, when everybody talks about this, I was like, yo, try this.
02:28:38.000 Try doing a fucking tour for a year and a half.
02:28:42.000 And every night you had to come behind Bill Burr.
02:28:46.000 I had no days off.
02:28:48.000 And I knew when I had a day off, I wasn't hitting on all cylinders.
02:28:53.000 Because that's when they used to have comment cards, right?
02:28:57.000 The comment cards, like, I don't know why the white boy didn't go last. 0.79
02:29:02.000 But that always, that's that always kept me in shape.
02:29:07.000 You know what I'm saying?
02:29:08.000 It's like this, you don't got no time to play around because Bill, and because Bill was one of those comics, Bill was like, Bill would come, Bill did the mainstream shit, and he was one of the only white dudes who would do the fucking most grimiest spots ever.
02:29:22.000 And I'm pretty sure he's always going to be a great comic, but I think that that helped build his character.
02:29:28.000 I think that was probably what made him be in a position where he goes to Philly, like, yo, fuck y'all.
02:29:34.000 I just did Dondell's fucking hood club in Brooklyn.
02:29:37.000 If I can handle that, I can handle it.
02:29:39.000 Well, that rant in Philly was because he was doing the Opie and Anthony tour.
02:29:42.000 So when Opie and Anthony, their crowd were brutal.
02:29:45.000 Their crowds were fucking brutal.
02:29:47.000 They was killed Tony's before T.L. Tony's.
02:29:49.000 Yeah.
02:29:49.000 Way worse.
02:29:50.000 Way worse.
02:29:51.000 That they had sort of fed into that crowd.
02:29:55.000 They fostered that crowd.
02:29:57.000 They called them the pests.
02:29:59.000 But then, even going back to what I was saying, in this career, sometimes you have situations that have a defining moment.
02:30:06.000 And that was one of those things.
02:30:07.000 I'm pretty sure everybody went on before Bill was throwing a towel and he was like, fuck that.
02:30:12.000 But what happened was Dom Area went on.
02:30:15.000 And, you know, Domerrera is a legend.
02:30:17.000 How's he doing, man?
02:30:18.000 He's hurting.
02:30:19.000 Yeah, he's hurting.
02:30:21.000 He's got whatever that neurological condition is.
02:30:23.000 It's not good.
02:30:24.000 I mean, I want to speak out of turn about his health, but it's not good.
02:30:30.000 But Dom, they booed Dom.
02:30:34.000 They were just rough.
02:30:35.000 They wanted you to fail.
02:30:37.000 And Bill went up and go, fuck you.
02:30:39.000 You know, and he just went into this crazy shit.
02:30:41.000 You know who else had a moment like that?
02:30:43.000 Who?
02:30:43.000 Bernie Mac.
02:30:44.000 Did he?
02:30:45.000 Oh, on Def Jam.
02:30:46.000 Yeah.
02:30:46.000 I ain't afraid of you, motherfuckers.
02:30:49.000 You know how that was born?
02:30:50.000 Why?
02:30:52.000 First off, Martin Lawrence was the host.
02:30:54.000 And that night, everybody was taking licks, right?
02:30:57.000 And there was another, it was a comic from D.C. named Butch Burns, right?
02:31:01.000 He was very popular in D.C. Butch Burns went on stage and bombed so bad.
02:31:05.000 Motherfuckers throwing shit. 1.00
02:31:07.000 There was nothing that Martin could do.
02:31:10.000 You know how sometimes you try and you're like, just you're on your own.
02:31:14.000 It's like, whoop-de-doo, right?
02:31:16.000 So Butch Burns had bombed.
02:31:18.000 The room was going crazy.
02:31:20.000 Martin could do anything.
02:31:21.000 Next on deck was fucking Bernie Mac.
02:31:24.000 Bernie Mac saw Butch Burns on the way out and he told him, he was like, listen, man, hold your head up, man.
02:31:29.000 He said, the sun might not shine on your day, but you'll have another opportunity to shine.
02:31:34.000 And the reason, he didn't plan on, I ain't scared of you, motherfuckers.
02:31:39.000 And then Bernie had a situation to go through because Bernie was on Def Jam before.
02:31:43.000 He dressed in a suit and everything.
02:31:45.000 He was looking like a Chicago player, but he didn't think that he connected with a young audience like that.
02:31:50.000 So you even watched the way he was dressed from the previous show to the next one.
02:31:54.000 Yeah.
02:31:54.000 The next one, he had more of a hip outfit, had graffiti on the jeans.
02:31:58.000 He was dressed up for that part of it.
02:32:00.000 No idea.
02:32:01.000 I ain't scared of you, motherfuckers.
02:32:02.000 He did have the energy that he was going to do, the connection he was going to have with the DJ, right?
02:32:07.000 But what made it so explosive is that he said, fuck y'all.
02:32:12.000 He said he did his joke.
02:32:14.000 That's why you hear like, why was he saying I ain't scared of you, motherfuckers?
02:32:17.000 Right.
02:32:18.000 It was because of the other shit.
02:32:20.000 He said, I ain't scared of you, motherfuckers.
02:32:22.000 Get it.
02:32:23.000 Boom, boom, boom.
02:32:23.000 But he said, what did he say?
02:32:25.000 And it was such the most simple stock jokes.
02:32:29.000 But the rhythm.
02:32:30.000 He was so powerful.
02:32:31.000 So powerful.
02:32:32.000 So powerful.
02:32:32.000 The rhythm that he had and the fact that you knew that something was special would happen.
02:32:37.000 That's why that fucking audience looked, was so fucking charged up because he said, fuck y'all.
02:32:44.000 I saw Bernie live once at the comedy connection in Fannie Hall in Boston.
02:32:49.000 I remember that club.
02:32:50.000 He was on fire.
02:32:52.000 I saw him.
02:32:52.000 So powerful.
02:32:53.000 First time I saw him at Comedy Connection at Greenbelt, I used to do this club and it was a couple of people that came through and I was like, these motherfuckers are the next level.
02:33:01.000 It was him.
02:33:02.000 Another person that was like that was George Wallace.
02:33:04.000 Oh, yeah.
02:33:05.000 You know another person that was like that?
02:33:06.000 Rich Voss.
02:33:07.000 Oh, yeah.
02:33:08.000 Yo, George Wallace, first off, I knew George Wallace was on the next level.
02:33:12.000 I've never seen nobody go to the comedy club and the deal he had was 100% of the door.
02:33:17.000 Everything.
02:33:18.000 You just get your drinks, your chicken wings, 100% door.
02:33:21.000 They had to give it to him.
02:33:22.000 Wow.
02:33:23.000 And George Wallace, he was old.
02:33:26.000 George Wallace always been an older dude, right?
02:33:28.000 Somebody said, you know, his thing is your mama jokes, right?
02:33:31.000 Somebody had did a mama joke and motherfucker George Wallace ripped off about 30 mama jokes. 1.00
02:33:36.000 I felt so bad for him.
02:33:38.000 And then Rich Voss fucking, Rich Voss fucked me up because I'd never seen a white comedian perform at this club.
02:33:46.000 It was a black club.
02:33:47.000 Rich Voss came in here.
02:33:48.000 He had a ponytail similar to Jamie's, right?
02:33:50.000 He had Jerry Curls.
02:33:52.000 No, Rich Voss had a ponytail.
02:33:54.000 It's the same one that Jamie was wearing when I, right?
02:33:57.000 It was Rich Voss's, right?
02:33:59.000 And I saw Rich Voss go up there and destroy this crowd.
02:34:03.000 I was like, this white dude don't know what's going on.
02:34:05.000 And he fucking killed that shit.
02:34:09.000 You know, we talk about joke stealing, right?
02:34:12.000 I've never, I stole one joke in my life, and I apologize to Rich Voss.
02:34:17.000 I was doing the show, and none of my jokes worked.
02:34:21.000 I tried, yo, I tried everything.
02:34:23.000 I tried everything.
02:34:25.000 And I said to myself, what joke have you heard?
02:34:28.000 I didn't mean to steal, right?
02:34:30.000 I borrowed it, okay?
02:34:32.000 I said, what one joke you know that fucking will kill this audience?
02:34:37.000 And Rich Voss used to have this joke.
02:34:39.000 He said, you know what they say?
02:34:40.000 Once you go black, you never go back. 0.99
02:34:42.000 He said, yeah, because your father won't let you back in the house, right?
02:34:46.000 I stole that joke.
02:34:47.000 I got him laughing.
02:34:48.000 I got him back on track.
02:34:49.000 And then I had to call Voss.
02:34:51.000 I said, man, I'm so sorry.
02:34:54.000 I said, it's going to get back to you, but I stole the joke.
02:34:57.000 He was like, no, no problem with it.
02:34:59.000 Well, at least you admitted it.
02:35:00.000 Yeah, I did.
02:35:02.000 All right.
02:35:02.000 I think we accomplished a lot.
02:35:04.000 This was therapy for me.
02:35:05.000 I think it was good for you.
02:35:06.000 Stay out of the comments.
02:35:07.000 I'm going to stay out of the comments.
02:35:09.000 Remember that podcast we did with Rizza?
02:35:12.000 No, don't do that.
02:35:13.000 They still talk shit to me.
02:35:15.000 Yo, I grabbed you at the end of the podcast.
02:35:17.000 I said, that was great.
02:35:19.000 Don't read the comments.
02:35:20.000 Exactly.
02:35:21.000 That was a long time ago.
02:35:22.000 I've been giving you that advice for a long time.
02:35:24.000 You did tell me, don't.
02:35:25.000 But the part of that story people don't know is that I did my podcast early.
02:35:30.000 I hadn't seen my son in like two and a half weeks.
02:35:32.000 I was on the road.
02:35:33.000 And I came straight there, straight to the podcast to do it, right?
02:35:38.000 And then I was like, you was like, yo, you want to hang out?
02:35:42.000 This is what people don't know.
02:35:43.000 This is the side you don't tell them.
02:35:45.000 You invited me.
02:35:46.000 You invited me.
02:35:47.000 I did invite you.
02:35:48.000 You did invite you.
02:35:49.000 I thought it would be fun.
02:35:50.000 You said the Rizza's going to come, right?
02:35:51.000 Well, we were having a good time.
02:35:53.000 We did a podcast together.
02:35:54.000 We were hanging out.
02:35:55.000 And I said, are you going anywhere?
02:35:57.000 I'm doing a podcast with Rizza next.
02:35:59.000 You want to hop on?
02:36:00.000 I thought it would be fun.
02:36:01.000 I thought it would be fun.
02:36:02.000 It was.
02:36:03.000 It was fun.
02:36:03.000 I would like to tell my side of the story.
02:36:06.000 We already did.
02:36:07.000 We've talked this.
02:36:07.000 We've done this many times.
02:36:09.000 Okay, every other podcast we do.
02:36:11.000 You tell your side of the story.
02:36:12.000 I'm never going to say this again, Joe.
02:36:14.000 I was going to leave.
02:36:15.000 And I was like, I was like, man, fuck Wu-Tang, man.
02:36:18.000 I'm going to see my son.
02:36:20.000 Right?
02:36:20.000 And I'm leaving out.
02:36:21.000 And as soon as I get ready to get my car, DeRizza comes out, and this motherfucker said, what's up, Ashy Larry?
02:36:29.000 And I said, fuck my son.
02:36:30.000 I'm fucking with the Wu-Tang, right?
02:36:32.000 And I didn't, but it was a good time.
02:36:34.000 It was fun.
02:36:35.000 But what people don't understand is, before we did that, Rizza said, yo, yo, bun, bun, bung, I got this idea, right?
02:36:41.000 I said, well, he said, I'm going to do these jokes.
02:36:43.000 They're going to be, he was trying to pitch jokes like he was on the jokes.
02:36:46.000 And I was like, please don't do that.
02:36:49.000 I was like, please don't do that.
02:36:51.000 And we sat down and of course it went, I had a good time.
02:36:54.000 But people was like, you just ruined it.
02:36:57.000 You ruined it.
02:36:58.000 You just ruined it.
02:36:59.000 But shout out to you.
02:37:00.000 It was fun.
02:37:00.000 It was a good time.
02:37:01.000 It was fun.
02:37:02.000 And thanks for, whenever I call you, let me, I can't even tell people anything other than, yes, I'm on tour.
02:37:09.000 Go to DonAirRollins.com, get tour dates.
02:37:11.000 All right.
02:37:11.000 And here's my shit.
02:37:14.000 A joke could be too soon, but it never could be too soon for a funny observation.
02:37:19.000 And that's what you're going to get when you come to my show.
02:37:21.000 All right.
02:37:22.000 Thank you, sir.
02:37:22.000 Appreciate you, brother.
02:37:23.000 I'm taking this gun with me.
02:37:24.000 Jaden, stay sexy, son.
02:37:26.000 Stay sexy.