The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2457 - Michael Malice

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00:00:12.000 So, the week, Jen, literally, what are you doing?

00:00:16.000 What do you mean?

00:00:18.000 Your face.

00:00:19.000 I have carposi sarcoma.

00:00:21.000 Oh, I didn't know.

00:00:22.000 Yeah.

00:00:23.000 No, I just wanted to have a fun look.

00:00:25.000 It's my 10th time.

00:00:26.000 And what is a Lichtenstein?

00:00:28.000 Is that what you said?

00:00:29.000 Roy Lichtenstein.

00:00:31.000 Who's that?

00:00:32.000 Do you know who it is?

00:00:33.000 Yeah.

00:00:34.000 You know the pictures.

00:00:34.000 Pull up Drowning Girl.

00:00:36.000 Jamie, pull it up.

00:00:37.000 I get to say it.

00:00:38.000 This guy.

00:00:39.000 Who's a comic book artist?

00:00:40.000 No, he's a pop artist.

00:00:42.000 He drew comic books into paintings in the 60s.

00:00:45.000 You've seen his stuff.

00:00:46.000 Oh, I'm sure.

00:00:47.000 I have now.

00:00:47.000 Yeah.

00:00:48.000 I've seen them in memes.

00:00:50.000 Exactly.

00:00:51.000 Like a man backhanding a woman? 0.94

00:00:54.000 No.

00:00:57.000 Well, he's stepping on her hand right there.

00:01:00.000 That's his hand.

00:01:00.000 It's a guy's hand.

00:01:01.000 Oh, it's a guy's hand.

00:01:01.000 It's a top, I think.

00:01:02.000 It's a feminine man. 0.82

00:01:03.000 Oh, Jeff, I love you too, but okay.

00:01:06.000 The dots, I get it.

00:01:08.000 This was a lot of.

00:01:09.000 What I wanted to do, which I couldn't do, I wanted to do an Uncanny Valley look and look like a mannequin with lifeless eyes and kind of like Lex, right?

00:01:19.000 But that was a lot of money.

00:01:21.000 Like CGI from 10 years ago.

00:01:24.000 Yes.

00:01:25.000 Or like, yeah.

00:01:26.000 So I just went with this.

00:01:27.000 Okay.

00:01:28.000 I was on Jordan.

00:01:30.000 I was on.

00:01:34.000 I was on Jordan's show last January 6th, and I had the QAnon shaman paint my face with his look, and I had a Russian fur hat, and I had the boots and everything. 0.59

00:01:46.000 and Jordan Peterson had to sit and talk to me for three hours looking like a complete mental patient.

00:01:50.000 And you're going to forget in a couple of minutes, you know, when someone's looking like this.

00:01:54.000 But for anyone tuning in, it's just like, and it's just the clips go wide.

00:01:58.000 It's a lot of fun.

00:01:59.000 Oh, I know.

00:02:00.000 I've done dozens of podcasts with Duncan.

00:02:02.000 Oh, yeah, exactly.

00:02:04.000 Clowns and why are they dressed like astronauts?

00:02:08.000 Yeah, I think the internet's going in a dark.

00:02:12.000 Yeah.

00:02:13.000 Wait, isn't it say like the face of evil?

00:02:16.000 There's one that's the psychology of pure evil, Michael Alice.

00:02:20.000 How is Jordan doing?

00:02:22.000 I think he's doing better.

00:02:22.000 Is he okay?

00:02:24.000 I just talked to Michaela a couple of days ago.

00:02:28.000 I think he's out of the woods.

00:02:29.000 I don't know how much I'm allowed to say or what's my place.

00:02:32.000 What does this happen to him?

00:02:33.000 I don't really know.

00:02:35.000 I think you'd have to talk to her.

00:02:37.000 This is really something I don't know what I'm supposed to do.

00:02:40.000 He just keeps going through this series of ongoing health crises.

00:02:44.000 Yeah, and what bothers me a lot is how much glee people seem to have with this.

00:02:51.000 And I think, like I was just saying a second ago, I think the internet's going in a dark place.

00:02:57.000 People are going in a dark place.

00:02:57.000 People.

00:02:59.000 The internet's leading them there, but it's people.

00:03:01.000 Well, I think it's like a snake eating its own tail, don't you think?

00:03:03.000 I think, and when AI starts validating your preconceptions, I'm very scared about the near future.

00:03:09.000 I'm very scared too, because so many people are so easily led and so prone to whatever the ideology is at the moment, just full, full-scale adopting it.

00:03:19.000 I was on Gutfeld a couple months ago, and they were talking about how Sam Altman said ChatGPT is going to have erotica now.

00:03:25.000 Everyone's like, well, it's erotica.

00:03:27.000 And I go, listen, I said, not that long ago, John Hinckley shot in 1981.

00:03:27.000 They're making jokes.

00:03:34.000 He shot President Reagan because he thought Jodi Foster was going to fall in love with him, you know, and thereby turning her away from men forever, right?

00:03:41.000 And I said, what happens when ChatGPT, you really hate Trump, but you really hate Joe Rogan or you really hate Fauci or Kamala Harris, and your AI friend is ginning you up being like, yeah, they're terrible.

00:03:55.000 Like, there's 350 million people.

00:03:57.000 You're saying out of those, 350 aren't going to try to do something.

00:04:00.000 Right.

00:04:01.000 I mean, they've already had ChatGPT talk people into killing themselves.

00:04:05.000 I know.

00:04:06.000 Whether it's ChatGPT or whatever AI, right?

00:04:06.000 I know.

00:04:09.000 Language model.

00:04:11.000 Yeah, I am.

00:04:12.000 And I don't see any breaks on this.

00:04:15.000 And it's happening, I think, faster than we can.

00:04:18.000 You know, the whole point of the paleo diet, not the whole point, but a large part of the paleo lifestyle is, you know, our biology has not kept up with our technology, right?

00:04:26.000 And that kind of makes sense in a food thing.

00:04:28.000 Bush comes to shove.

00:04:29.000 Processed food, you should avoid.

00:04:30.000 Whole food, natural food is probably better for you.

00:04:33.000 That's just a good heuristic for anyone.

00:04:35.000 But when you're talking about the mind, you know, people argue, are human beings basically good?

00:04:41.000 Human beings basically bad.

00:04:43.000 I think human beings are basically animals.

00:04:45.000 And animals can be enormously collaborative and wonderful and work together, even across pieces.

00:04:50.000 You see these videos of like a dog saving a cow or whatever it is.

00:04:54.000 But animals are also, I don't need to tell you, you know, there's that chimp in all of us. 0.97

00:04:59.000 And when that mob starts fomenting, like people want blood and they love it.

00:05:05.000 Yeah, you also get all this powerful reinforcement from other people in the group that tell you that you're doing the right thing and they support you.

00:05:13.000 And if you the thing with the Epstein stuff online is just really kind of like, I remember five minutes ago, right?

00:05:22.000 For the blue-billed people on COVID, if you don't care about COVID as much as I do, and if you aren't informed as COVID as much as I am, you want to kill grandma, right?

00:05:32.000 Like that's, you're told this explicitly.

00:05:34.000 Your kids should be taken away from you, should be banned from society.

00:05:37.000 Right.

00:05:38.000 And my buddy Luke Perez, who's a great comic, he had a great tweet.

00:05:40.000 He goes, if you don't have COVID, you can't spread COVID.

00:05:44.000 I can't give it to you just because I'm a bad person, right?

00:05:46.000 But that was the mindset.

00:05:47.000 And now there's so much, there's 3 million Epstein docs.

00:05:52.000 If you are not as invested as some people, you are a kid toucher.

00:05:57.000 You're covering for them.

00:05:59.000 You want this to happen.

00:06:00.000 You're complicit retroactively somehow.

00:06:02.000 And I can't make heads or tails of it.

00:06:04.000 I had Lukrakowski on my show, who's been a conspiracy.

00:06:07.000 I'm not saying the negative way, conspiracy guy for a very long time.

00:06:10.000 He started with Alex.

00:06:11.000 He broke it down.

00:06:12.000 Then I had Michael Tracy on my show, and he said, look, a lot of this hysteria.

00:06:16.000 I don't know who is right, who is wrong.

00:06:19.000 But if I have any kind of skepticism, I am somehow wanting children to be abused.

00:06:25.000 It's insane.

00:06:26.000 Well, it's also, it's like so much of it is cryptic.

00:06:30.000 Like, we don't necessarily understand what they were talking about.

00:06:33.000 Right.

00:06:33.000 And if you say, like, what's beef jerky?

00:06:36.000 Here's the thing.

00:06:37.000 It's obviously kids.

00:06:39.000 It's not just that it might be kids or probably, it's obvious.

00:06:42.000 And if you're denying that jerky is obviously kids, you're denying that people are children.

00:06:46.000 I'm not denying people children.

00:06:48.000 I'm just saying, what if it's heroin?

00:06:50.000 What if it's weapon?

00:06:51.000 I haven't read all those emails, but the idea that it's definitely literally infants, it seems like I want to see some receipts.

00:06:59.000 Yeah, it could be many things.

00:07:02.000 I mean, it certainly is a code, which indicates, at least to me, that they were doing something they didn't want people to know about.

00:07:08.000 And I remember with the Pizzagate stuff, I talked about this in my book, and you're right.

00:07:12.000 I'd have to get through this through the legal because there was an email where it's like, oh, the maps or the flags are really angry today.

00:07:18.000 So they're obviously not talking about maps or flags.

00:07:20.000 It was obviously about something.

00:07:22.000 We don't know what.

00:07:23.000 But to pretend that there was nothing there is also disingenuous.

00:07:26.000 It's clearly code.

00:07:27.000 But how do we know eating is not code also?

00:07:30.000 Like eating jerky could be like beating off, right?

00:07:33.000 Or it could be killing someone.

00:07:35.000 But the idea that, no, the eating part is true.

00:07:37.000 The jerky part is kids.

00:07:39.000 And frankly, what bothers me is don't you want to hope that they're not eating kids?

00:07:46.000 Yeah, well, it's like people just want to know.

00:07:49.000 And if they already were and have been doing it for a long time, that seemed outrageous before a gigantic ring was exposed where there really was a sex trafficker who was compromising people and really was doing it at the behest of at least an intelligence agency, whether it's ours or the Israelis or whoever it is.

00:08:13.000 Or the Russians. 0.96

00:08:13.000 A lot of people want to say it's the Russians. 0.96

00:08:15.000 Is there any validity to the Russians? 0.98

00:08:17.000 The reason I said the Russians is because I was on Drudge and the headline was Epstein was Russian operative.

00:08:17.000 I have no idea.

00:08:22.000 So it was presented on Drudge.

00:08:24.000 Don't take my word for it as, oh, there's the receipts.

00:08:27.000 This is why I'm saying there's Mossad connections with him, obviously, especially through Jelaine.

00:08:32.000 CIA is a no-brainer because why didn't they bag this guy for years?

00:08:36.000 I talked to Kurt Metzger about this, broadly speaking, and he makes the point, like, these are all interconnected.

00:08:42.000 This idea that we're going to separate out the CIA from MI6 is they're buddies with each other.

00:08:47.000 And then frankly, that's in many cases a good thing.

00:08:49.000 You want to be working with other countries if you have international trafficking or terrorism or crimes.

00:08:55.000 But I don't know.

00:08:58.000 I can't even finish the sentence.

00:09:00.000 No, that's, but you're honest.

00:09:00.000 Right, right.

00:09:02.000 That's why.

00:09:03.000 Now, the Russian thing, is there anything that makes sense to you to that?

00:09:07.000 What did you just go on?

00:09:08.000 New documents show Justice Department documents mention Russia thousands of times, Vladimir Putin over a thousand times, reflecting extensive Russia-related communications and contacts in Epstein's network.

00:09:22.000 Emails, travel records indicate, well, because there's real something to it.

00:09:26.000 Epstein made multiple trips to Russia, obtained business visas, had scouts there recruiting young Russian women for him, of course, similar to his operations elsewhere.

00:09:36.000 The files describe Epstein cultivating ties with Russian political and business elites, acting as a facilitator in deals and introductions, not just sexual encounters.

00:09:45.000 Epstein repeatedly sought a meeting or back-channel communications with President Vladimir Putin at times suggesting he had advice or insight to offer about dealing with Donald Trump.

00:09:56.000 He had documented ties to at least one former Russian official with a background in the FSB whom he used to gather information on a woman he claimed was trying to extort his business partners.

00:10:09.000 Well, for sure, you're going to have that against a bunch of Russian hookers that you're bringing over there. 1.00

00:10:13.000 Some of them are going to try to extort.

00:10:14.000 Seriously, Putin was ex-KGB.

00:10:15.000 The KGB for decades, for like almost a century, was blackmailing Americans.

00:10:21.000 This is one of the big reasons why you couldn't be, there were restrictions against gays, because if you were gay at a time when it was socially unacceptable and the Russians found out about it, they flipped you because they would sit you down and they'd be like, look, we know, we're going to out you, or you're going to play ball.

00:10:36.000 And in those situations, you're going to play ball.

00:10:38.000 This is a huge scandal for a lot of people.

00:10:39.000 And that's a big, there's a lot.

00:10:42.000 There's a large percentage.

00:10:43.000 I don't know what the population is of these undercover gay politicians. 0.72

00:10:48.000 Oh, yeah.

00:10:48.000 I don't mean politicians.

00:10:49.000 I mean the bureaucrats, like people working for Eric Johnson and FDR.

00:10:53.000 This was a thing.

00:10:54.000 And they would know.

00:10:55.000 Yeah.

00:10:55.000 And they would have honeypots.

00:10:58.000 It wouldn't be hard at that time.

00:10:59.000 Right.

00:11:00.000 And for men, it's so easy to get us.

00:11:02.000 Like, God, it must be hard to get women. 1.00

00:11:04.000 How would you blackmail a woman?

00:11:06.000 I mean, well, how do you trick them into fucking some guy they shouldn't be fucking and why would anybody care?

00:11:10.000 See, no one cares.

00:11:12.000 Like if a woman has an affair on her husband and has sex with some hot guy on an island, everybody's like, you go, girl.

00:11:19.000 Yeah, Stella got her groove back.

00:11:20.000 Yeah, Stella got her groove back.

00:11:23.000 How would you, how would, if I wanted, okay, let's walk through this.

00:11:26.000 If there's a CIA lady and I want to flip her, how do I got to get her to fall in love with you? 1.00

00:11:33.000 No, or you got to get her husband to cheat.

00:11:37.000 Or go threaten her kids. 0.89

00:11:38.000 You got to threaten her kids.

00:11:39.000 Threaten the kids.

00:11:40.000 But that's a hard one.

00:11:41.000 But that's a different thing than getting her to do something that she shouldn't have done out of lust.

00:11:46.000 How do you black? 0.99

00:11:47.000 Yeah, how do you blackmail a woman? 0.98

00:11:48.000 Yeah, you don't don't have all that's probably why a lot of women aren't in trouble. 1.00

00:11:53.000 They are in trouble?

00:11:54.000 Aren't yeah, they aren't.

00:11:55.000 Right, because like I would imagine you would want them too.

00:11:58.000 There's plenty of women politicians you'd want to compromise. 1.00

00:12:01.000 I mean, they did get Stacey Plaskett.

00:12:03.000 She was cooperating with Epstein, going back and forth during Trump's administration.

00:12:08.000 Did you see also Kristen Sinema, that lawsuit? 0.87

00:12:10.000 Oh, no, no, no.

00:12:11.000 So she was the senator from Arizona.

00:12:13.000 She was a centrist, and they ran her out of town.

00:12:16.000 And she.

00:12:18.000 Broke up a marriage basically, and in North or South Carolina, where she's being sued, you can be liable for damages if you're like the side piece.

00:12:26.000 Oh, I've seen that and in the lawsuit.

00:12:28.000 It's a crazy law.

00:12:29.000 I know that's a bitch ass law and you're suing a senator and the thing, and I believe the the filing completely, because the filing said he had PTSD so she was offering to give him psychedelics to help him heal, which I'm sure she did, and basically they just started a relationship. 0.92

00:12:47.000 He left the wife and it's like this is unfortunate but it happens, but she's facing damages.

00:12:53.000 Now that's so wild that that's a law.

00:12:56.000 Yeah, like what if the person was on the way out anyway?

00:12:59.000 That's his argument.

00:13:00.000 I'm sure yeah, i'm sure no, but the case, oh no, we were a loving couple, we never had any problems.

00:13:06.000 That Cinema shows up and now look at me.

00:13:10.000 How is that not the man's fault?

00:13:11.000 I don't, I don't, I think it's probably both.

00:13:14.000 Well, I know is no, she's suing Cinema, she's not suing the guy.

00:13:16.000 I don't think that's so crazy.

00:13:18.000 Yeah, what a stupid fucking law.

00:13:20.000 What is, I don't know, North or South Carolina?

00:13:23.000 Uh, there's some of them old school laws that are so dumb.

00:13:26.000 How is that a law that people have to be together like people change their minds on people all the time.

00:13:33.000 They don't want to be with someone anymore.

00:13:34.000 You meet someone you really like and you go.

00:13:37.000 I can't imagine living the rest of my life without this person and i've been trapped in this fucking horrible marriage.

00:13:37.000 I don't.

00:13:43.000 I'm out and then that person gets sued.

00:13:46.000 She had some other funny thing about like no no, the guy texted her like I think it was fuck the military and she writes back only the hot ones.

00:13:53.000 It was so there's like, so she got all the text out of his phone.

00:13:57.000 That's funny, it's funny, it's a joke right, but I also it's.

00:14:01.000 It's like.

00:14:02.000 I think it's.

00:14:04.000 When the feminists talk about the kind of misogyny here, I think there is a bit of misogyny that you're blaming the woman and you're not blaming the guy. 1.00

00:14:11.000 Oh yeah, for that.

00:14:12.000 Like the suit, the lawsuit, that's crazy.

00:14:15.000 Yeah, that is such a bitch ass lawsuit. 1.00

00:14:17.000 North Carolina is one of a handful of states that allow jilted spouses sue for alienation of affection to seek damages from a third party responsible for the breakup of their marriage.

00:14:27.000 You should only be able to pay them in tissues.

00:14:31.000 You should pay them in just crates and crates of tissues.

00:14:35.000 Oh, you get five hundred thousand dollars worth of tissues.

00:14:38.000 It's I.

00:14:38.000 I just bring up fucking semis filled with tissues.

00:14:42.000 I just think it's so um, salacious and stupid.

00:14:45.000 We shouldn't need to know this.

00:14:47.000 Well, even if we do know it, the law itself is fucking preposterous.

00:14:51.000 Yeah, alienation of affection.

00:14:53.000 Well, how people decide they don't like people all the time.

00:14:57.000 That's why divorce exists. 1.00

00:14:58.000 Yes, and one of the reasons divorce exists, because people find someone they like more and they go.

00:15:03.000 Oh, I fucked up.

00:15:04.000 I have to get out of this marriage.

00:15:05.000 I'm in love with this other person, and you don't always have to get divorced.

00:15:08.000 There's plenty of marriages that survive. 1.00

00:15:09.000 Shit like this.

00:15:10.000 Yeah, that's true too.

00:15:11.000 So I what's the counter that?

00:15:13.000 You're a bitch like he doesn't like you anymore. 1.00

00:15:13.000 Fuck you. 1.00

00:15:16.000 But the lawsuit thing is curly.

00:15:17.000 You can get money for that.

00:15:19.000 What's to pay this lady money? 1.00

00:15:21.000 I think it's on you guys.

00:15:22.000 I think it's the million.

00:15:23.000 I think she's suing for a lot.

00:15:25.000 How much?

00:15:25.000 Do you know what the damages are Jamie, can you?

00:15:27.000 Well, you go high just to settle yeah, but the fact that there's no seat, I don't know what the ceiling is.

00:15:31.000 I'm not an introduction attorney, but it's not cheap.

00:15:36.000 It's like, I think the side piece is, she's not a hoe. 1.00

00:15:40.000 She's basically paying the wife alibony. 1.00

00:15:42.000 Oh, my God.

00:15:43.000 It's real money?

00:15:44.000 It's no joke, does it say?

00:15:44.000 Yeah.

00:15:46.000 Who would fucking...

00:15:47.000 $75,000.

00:15:49.000 That's it?

00:15:52.000 She gave $9,000 to a man she's accused of.

00:15:55.000 If it's 75 grand, she would have paid it to shut her up. 1.00

00:15:58.000 Maybe she just doesn't want to out of principal.

00:16:02.000 It's got to be more than $75,000.

00:16:02.000 Let me see.

00:16:04.000 There's no way.

00:16:05.000 You're a senator.

00:16:05.000 You're just going to...

00:16:06.000 Maybe. Maybe.

00:16:08.000 Maybe because most people have the reaction that we're having.

00:16:11.000 Like, no one's outraged.

00:16:13.000 No one's angry.

00:16:14.000 Yeah, I think the response is that, oh, that's it.

00:16:17.000 Yeah, she's alienation of affection. 0.88

00:16:20.000 That's it.

00:16:20.000 Nicknamed the homewrecker law and is seeking $75,000 in damages per her lawyers.

00:16:25.000 She argued that a complainant in a complaint that cinema engaged in numerous unlawful acts with her ex-husband, including, but not limited to, having conversations with him.

00:16:34.000 That's unlawful.

00:16:36.000 Meeting him under emotionally and physically romantic and sexual circumstances.

00:16:41.000 Having sexual encounters with him and encouraging him to leave his wife.

00:16:46.000 She took it to some concert together.

00:16:47.000 I think it was like, they said they went to a bunch of concerts.

00:16:49.000 They went to Copa.

00:16:50.000 I think it was like Day Day.

00:16:51.000 Green Day, Uni Day.

00:16:53.000 Yeah.

00:16:54.000 Well, is that a physically romantic and sexual encounter?

00:16:57.000 Is that what that is?

00:16:58.000 Well, I think it's romantic to take a second.

00:16:59.000 Put that back up, please.

00:17:00.000 I was going to do those concerts.

00:17:02.000 I mean, the lawsuit alleges that in the fall of 2023, when Cinema's then head of security resigned, the head disclosed to Matthew Amel concerns that cinema was having sexual relations.

00:17:13.000 What a bitch-ass security guard. 1.00

00:17:16.000 Sexual relations with other security members.

00:17:18.000 The security head urged Matthew Amil to leave, but Amel refused deciding the job's financial security.

00:17:24.000 I love the idea.

00:17:25.000 Like, you don't want this gig.

00:17:26.000 She'll fuck you. 1.00

00:17:27.000 She's fucking her security guard. 1.00

00:17:29.000 Yeah, more power to her.

00:17:30.000 She's a wild bitch. 1.00

00:17:33.000 While on the job, Matthew Amel had at one point informed his ex-wife, according to her complaint, that should he and cinema be together on a work trip to Napa Valley, California, it would have appeared as if they were on a romantic getaway.

00:17:46.000 Huh.

00:17:48.000 2024, Heather Amel discovered that Cinema frequently messaged her ex-husband on Signal, which included a picture of the former senator wrapped in a towel and a suggestion that he bring MDMA.

00:18:00.000 Yeah, let's go.

00:18:01.000 Kristen, the drug commonly known as Molly or Ecstasy to a rope work trip so that cinema could guide him through a psychedelic experience.

00:18:10.000 Wink wink.

00:18:11.000 In March of 2024, Matthew Amil and Ford informed his then wife that while he was serving as cinema security at an event, the former senator was having, getting handsy, and that she held his hand and touched him.

00:18:25.000 According to the complaint, Matthew Amil expressed that he didn't know how to get out of the situation without offending cinema.

00:18:31.000 She was also the first bisexual member of the Senate ever.

00:18:35.000 So you know she's a freak. 1.00

00:18:35.000 What a good kid. 1.00

00:18:36.000 What a good kid.

00:18:38.000 Molly, towels, pictures.

00:18:41.000 She's got my vote.

00:18:42.000 I'm voting for again.

00:18:43.000 She should run for president. 0.94

00:18:45.000 Cinema for president.

00:18:46.000 Let's go, cinema.

00:18:47.000 She's a centrist.

00:18:47.000 Come on.

00:18:48.000 That's what America needs.

00:18:49.000 You want a women president? 1.00

00:18:50.000 Yeah.

00:18:51.000 Let's get a freak in the office. 1.00

00:18:51.000 Let's go. 1.00

00:18:54.000 We have a freak in the office.

00:18:55.000 He struggled to admit to the affair, the complaint says, but expressed that he wanted a divorce.

00:19:01.000 Oh.

00:19:02.000 He struggled to admit to the affair, but expressed that he wanted a divorce.

00:19:05.000 After a November work trip, Heather and Matthew Amel separated.

00:19:09.000 Her complaint alleges that her ex-husband and cinema remained romantically involved.

00:19:14.000 Cinema and Matthew Amel both appeared at a forum in October.

00:19:18.000 Are they still together?

00:19:20.000 I don't know.

00:19:21.000 I don't know.

00:19:22.000 Those don't last.

00:19:23.000 It's only six states.

00:19:24.000 Chicks get bored once they win. 1.00

00:19:26.000 Once they win and they get you.

00:19:27.000 I'm like, yeah, who's next?

00:19:29.000 Who the hell knows what's bored?

00:19:31.000 She's a cinnamon. 0.86

00:19:31.000 You're bored. 0.86

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00:20:38.000 Well, luckily, the security authenticity.

00:20:40.000 She's boning all the security guards. 1.00

00:20:42.000 It's like, you know, she's going through it.

00:20:43.000 She's a freak. 1.00

00:20:44.000 Yeah.

00:20:44.000 More power to her.

00:20:45.000 Yeah.

00:20:46.000 Like, look, we don't have any problem with men that do that.

00:20:49.000 I think we do.

00:20:50.000 Well, we do now.

00:20:51.000 I think there's.

00:20:52.000 I don't.

00:20:52.000 People do.

00:20:54.000 There's two types of people that want to be leaders: warmongers and pussyhounds. 1.00

00:20:58.000 I prefer the pussyhounds. 0.96

00:20:59.000 Don't leave your wife alone with them.

00:21:01.000 But I prefer them because at least they're just trying to get sex. 1.00

00:21:05.000 They're not trying to blow up the world and conquer.

00:21:07.000 And like, they want to be Genghis Khan.

00:21:09.000 Is it?

00:21:09.000 Well, actually, is it your position that Lindsey Graham is not a pussyhound?

00:21:13.000 Is that it is my position that Lindsey Graham is allergic to pussy? 1.00

00:21:19.000 Yeah.

00:21:20.000 Wait, are they they asked him if you know he was going to run for president?

00:21:23.000 You know, he's single.

00:21:25.000 Yeah, but he's single.

00:21:26.000 And, you know, what about a first lady? 1.00

00:21:26.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:21:28.000 He's like, Maybe I'll have a bunch of first ladies. 0.95

00:21:30.000 Oh, my, did he say that?

00:21:31.000 Is it something along those lines?

00:21:33.000 I remember.

00:21:34.000 Which is never something a man would say who's into women.

00:21:37.000 Barbara Mikulski, who was this senator from Maryland for many years, who was like 4'11, Hobbit creature, clearly gay. 0.97

00:21:45.000 No disrespect to her.

00:21:47.000 She was asked about it, and she turns to the guy next to her.

00:21:49.000 He's like, hey, good look at it.

00:21:50.000 It was something like that.

00:21:51.000 It was so cringe and awkward.

00:21:53.000 Yeah.

00:21:54.000 So what did Lindsey Graham say about having many first ladies? 0.76

00:21:59.000 Oh, my God.

00:22:00.000 It mentioned his sister as someone who could fill in for the role.

00:22:03.000 It says, oh, okay.

00:22:04.000 He would have a rote, quote unquote, rotating first lady. 1.00

00:22:07.000 Because, like, well, Dolly Madison did that. 0.97

00:22:09.000 Like, there was one of the first early founding fathers was a widower.

00:22:13.000 So the daughter.

00:22:14.000 His sister first and then rotating first lady.

00:22:18.000 What year was this when he was running?

00:22:20.000 2015.

00:22:21.000 Yeah.

00:22:22.000 Hey.

00:22:23.000 Do you remember the thing I remember about his campaign is Trump had a rally and he gave out Lindsey Graham's phone number, right?

00:22:31.000 Oh, you don't remember this?

00:22:31.000 He did.

00:22:32.000 So this is the best part.

00:22:33.000 No, no, this is so insane.

00:22:36.000 So Trump is like, because Lindsay would call for campaign donations, and Trump's like, if you guys don't agree, let's give him a call.

00:22:41.000 He holds up the paint and goes, 345, blah, blah, blah.

00:22:45.000 And Lindsay, yeah.

00:22:49.000 His face.

00:22:52.000 What is this world we're living in?

00:22:54.000 No, no, no, but hold on.

00:22:55.000 So Lindsay, like, how do I reclaim the narrative?

00:22:55.000 It gets even better.

00:22:58.000 Lindsay filmed a video of him taking his phone and breaking with the hammer.

00:23:03.000 And I'm like, but you still have the same number.

00:23:05.000 You just broke your own phone.

00:23:07.000 You're not trolling Trump at all.

00:23:08.000 It's like if I just broke a device, you could have gone to Verizon and had your number switched.

00:23:14.000 You're not getting my license plate and I wreck my own car.

00:23:16.000 I'm not trolling you.

00:23:17.000 I'm trolling me.

00:23:19.000 I'm like, does no one realize this doesn't make any sense?

00:23:22.000 It was so crazy.

00:23:23.000 Everyone's so performative.

00:23:24.000 Is there someone who's a warmonger?

00:23:26.000 Well, Bill Putin's a pussyhound.

00:23:28.000 Is he, though?

00:23:30.000 Yeah.

00:23:30.000 Did you not see more of a warmonger?

00:23:32.000 But he's both.

00:23:33.000 Did you not see more of topless girls? 1.00

00:23:35.000 Oh, really?

00:23:36.000 Here he goes.

00:23:37.000 He's throwing it in the blender.

00:23:38.000 Oh, my God.

00:23:39.000 He's hitting it with a hammer, a golf ball.

00:23:41.000 Oh, lightning on fire.

00:23:43.000 Oh, let me see that swing. 0.75

00:23:45.000 Let me see that badge.

00:23:46.000 You put Red Bull in with the phone.

00:23:48.000 I think it's gas lighter fluid, no?

00:23:48.000 What's that about?

00:23:50.000 You didn't even get that.

00:23:51.000 Oh, it is Red Bull.

00:23:52.000 Why is it Red Bull?

00:23:54.000 He hit it with a golf swing, lit it on fire.

00:23:57.000 Like, this is so cringe.

00:24:00.000 But it doesn't make any sense.

00:24:02.000 You put it in a fucking bagel oven?

00:24:05.000 Is that pizza bagels?

00:24:06.000 Oh, my God.

00:24:07.000 What's wrong with this dude?

00:24:10.000 But your number's the same.

00:24:11.000 What a silly bitch. 1.00

00:24:13.000 That's back in the old flip phone days, too.

00:24:15.000 Yeah, 2015.

00:24:17.000 Wow.

00:24:18.000 He was still rocking a flip phone back then.

00:24:19.000 No iPhone.

00:24:20.000 People are rocking them now again because of surveillance things.

00:24:24.000 My friend Dave has one.

00:24:25.000 Does a flip phone help you?

00:24:26.000 I think so.

00:24:27.000 How so?

00:24:28.000 I don't know.

00:24:28.000 I'd have to ask Dave.

00:24:29.000 You can still get all those textbooks.

00:24:31.000 But I think, no, I think you're spending less time on the internet.

00:24:35.000 That's true.

00:24:36.000 Yeah.

00:24:37.000 But you could also just spend less time on the internet.

00:24:40.000 Yes, that is also an option.

00:24:42.000 I think that's a healthy option.

00:24:43.000 You could do that.

00:24:44.000 You know what I think?

00:24:45.000 I want to hear your thoughts on this.

00:24:47.000 So during COVID, there was a huge amount of time that everyone's spending online.

00:24:54.000 Everyone's obsessed with COVID.

00:24:55.000 Everyone's constantly agitated.

00:24:57.000 And my concern is that the social media, Mark Zuckerberg's job is to keep you on Facebook as much as possible, right?

00:25:04.000 All that data that they had during COVID is still there.

00:25:07.000 And I think all these social media companies are still keeping us in a constant state of agitation so you're stuck watching these screens and it's really doing harm and it's not getting better.

00:25:19.000 That's a fact.

00:25:21.000 Okay.

00:25:21.000 Yeah, that's a fact.

00:25:21.000 Yeah.

00:25:22.000 Well, isn't he testifying?

00:25:24.000 They're testifying soon about whether or not they set up their algorithms to harm children.

00:25:31.000 They set up their algorithms to addict children to their social media platforms.

00:25:37.000 Well, you remember ElsaGate?

00:25:38.000 ElsaGate, yeah.

00:25:39.000 Yeah, that was the whole thing.

00:25:40.000 Yeah, explain that to people.

00:25:42.000 Well, ElsaGate was this, I still don't think we have an answer.

00:25:45.000 People made these, they don't even know where it came from on the overseas.

00:25:49.000 There are these bizarre YouTube videos with millions of views where it would be like the Hulk, but he's like sniffing kids' feet and Elsa's just doing like putting in a cage, like bizarre things that is kind of sexual, but not really.

00:26:05.000 And you don't know what the purpose is.

00:26:07.000 But because they were like gaming the algorithm, you know, YouTube, Trump got in trouble with this.

00:26:12.000 When Trump was sharing that video, the very end of it went to a Lion King video making fun of the Democrats.

00:26:18.000 There's that one second of the Obamas as apes from the beginning.

00:26:22.000 They cut there and looked like he was sharing that.

00:26:24.000 It was just the next video that was queued up.

00:26:26.000 And it looks like Trump shared a video of the Obamas as apes on purpose.

00:26:29.000 Well, they were all in it.

00:26:30.000 They're all in video.

00:26:32.000 But it was like Hillary was a warthog. 1.00

00:26:34.000 Obama or Biden was also an ape and he was eating a banana.

00:26:38.000 Pritzker was the lion thing.

00:26:40.000 And Trump came out as a lion.

00:26:42.000 Right.

00:26:42.000 But the point is, I think what he posted, he posted only the first second.

00:26:45.000 I don't think he posted it.

00:26:46.000 Yes, he did.

00:26:47.000 I thought it was an intern.

00:26:48.000 Well, the point, I mean, it's from his account.

00:26:50.000 But someone reposted it.

00:26:51.000 Right.

00:26:52.000 That's what it was.

00:26:52.000 No, he reposted somebody else.

00:26:54.000 I think his internal video was.

00:26:56.000 Right, but the point is, anyway, with ElsaGate, kids start watching one video and the algorithm just snags them.

00:27:03.000 And one hour later, they're watching completely deranged stuff.

00:27:07.000 The ElsaGate thing was weird too because a lot of it was like old cartoons.

00:27:11.000 And what people were saying is that if your child, like say if you give your child an iPad and it goes from one YouTube video to the next and then suggests, those got lumped in there and you would click on it and it was all sudden like someone would get a bottle broken over their head.

00:27:26.000 There'd be blood everywhere.

00:27:28.000 It was really weird.

00:27:29.000 Right.

00:27:30.000 And it's like a Mickey Mouse cartoon.

00:27:31.000 And there was no utility to this.

00:27:32.000 Are those still available?

00:27:34.000 Wikipedia says it's kind of it's continued, but it's switched from.

00:27:34.000 I'm looking at the.

00:27:38.000 Like the.

00:27:38.000 It's whatever's popular at the time for kids.

00:27:40.000 So back then it was frozen or whatever, and now it's like mind, what are they doing, though?

00:27:44.000 Like why does this sense?

00:27:46.000 Like what?

00:27:47.000 Why would they have these cartoon characters get hit over the head with bottles?

00:27:50.000 And because you remember that one, like a lot of them when they would get drunk and fall and break their head on a fucking countertop or something, or they'd be covered I think this was another one they were covered in dots for no reason.

00:28:01.000 I'm like i'm not having kids, really.

00:28:02.000 It was just like what is going on?

00:28:04.000 Or they're eating weird stuff.

00:28:06.000 So does Youtube remove those videos?

00:28:09.000 Because there's plenty of violent videos on Youtube, like is it because they're, or do they put like an age restriction on them?

00:28:17.000 I don't think they did, because what's the age restriction?

00:28:19.000 There's nothing sexual, there's nothing well, violence.

00:28:22.000 But some of them were just weird.

00:28:23.000 Yeah, some of them were just like lots of shots of feet uh-huh, and there was all.

00:28:27.000 There was a lot of ones where kids got left alone with creeps.

00:28:32.000 Yeah yeah cartoons, very strange, and there was also live action stuff.

00:28:37.000 Oh really yes, and it's just like, who are these people filming this?

00:28:41.000 And for what?

00:28:42.000 I saw another one.

00:28:43.000 There was this channel, which has millions of views for each video, and it's things like turtles vomiting up fish, like dead fish, like live action or dead fish coming from the ground, as if it's it's I.

00:28:54.000 I don't understand what the point of this is.

00:28:57.000 Do you remember?

00:28:58.000 Um, during Benghazi, they tried to blame the attack on this video.

00:29:04.000 Oh, my god, you remember that?

00:29:06.000 Of course, that was the.

00:29:07.000 The propaganda was that there was some video that no one had seen right, like some terrible video, some really all riled up right yeah, that got the Muslims riled up and that's why they attacked. 1.00

00:29:19.000 And there was also well, she was also blaming the 2016 election on ads on the dark web.

00:29:24.000 It's like, how many people on the dark web do you even know what it is right?

00:29:27.000 Ads on the dark web flip the election.

00:29:29.000 That's hilarious, that's insane.

00:29:31.000 50 Incels right in a chat room like, but that's, that was a.

00:29:37.000 She says this all the time Hillary, to this day.

00:29:40.000 Well, she just says it.

00:29:41.000 You know, like she doesn't have to be credible anymore.

00:29:44.000 It's like we just assume, we just know that.

00:29:46.000 That kind of community, like if you're having a one-on-one conversation with her, just privately, and she started talking like that, you'd be like, what are you talking about?

00:29:53.000 This doesn't make any sense.

00:29:54.000 Did you really believe that she got clowned in Europe this week?

00:29:57.000 I did with the Czechoslovakian guy.

00:29:58.000 Yeah yeah, it was funny.

00:30:00.000 It was very funny.

00:30:01.000 But the way she was interrupting too you want women to have their rights taken away, like what? 1.00

00:30:06.000 That's not what he's saying.

00:30:07.000 He's literally talking about all this crazy shit, these gender transitions, and people were really like they'd had enough with the immigration people don't have you, don't? 1.00

00:30:16.000 You're pretending that's not real like this way forward, like if the Democrats want to have a way forward where they connect with people, you got to admit that there was some reason why people were responding the way they did to a fucking open border, to men playing in women's sports, to all this shit.

00:30:34.000 Gender transitions of children, like people were freaked out and not just fucking Republicans a lot of people. 0.88

00:30:41.000 Yeah, Karen's a swing voter. 1.00

00:30:42.000 Karen doesn't like this kind of stuff. 1.00

00:30:44.000 Yeah, I don't know if you saw did you see Nancy Nancy Pelosi's retirement video?

00:30:48.000 No.

00:30:48.000 Well, you laugh, but Nancy Pelosi is probably the smartest politician in Washington in terms of being crafty.

00:30:53.000 Like, she knows how to fucking get a bill passed. 1.00

00:30:55.000 She knows how to make people walk the plank. 1.00

00:30:57.000 So she's retiring from Congress this year. 0.84

00:30:59.000 She had this 10-minute long video about, you know, saying goodbye to San Francisco.

00:31:03.000 10 minutes.

00:31:04.000 She talks about AIDS at length, right?

00:31:07.000 Because obviously it affected San Francisco.

00:31:08.000 Doesn't mention the word gay once, even in the context of AIDS, doesn't mention LGBT, doesn't mention black people, people of color.

00:31:15.000 She mentions how much she loves going to church, St. Thomas of Assisi, and Veterans Day.

00:31:21.000 So I'm like, she knows what you're saying.

00:31:23.000 You got to pivot and start talking to people about pocketbook stuff.

00:31:26.000 But then Gavin Newsom recently undid his, you know, he backtracked with Charlie Kirk when he's just like, yeah, I know about men and women's sports.

00:31:34.000 And now he's doubling down on trans kids, which is he really?

00:31:38.000 Oh, yeah.

00:31:38.000 He just started doubling down.

00:31:40.000 God, how does he think that that's going to work now?

00:31:43.000 I think he thinks he's got to get through that primary.

00:31:46.000 Right, but does he not know that people are done?

00:31:50.000 No.

00:31:51.000 Because I'm sure he has better polling than you or I.

00:31:54.000 And I'm sure.

00:31:55.000 Maybe I'm just naive about California.

00:31:57.000 Well, it's not California.

00:31:58.000 It's the Democratic base who's going to vote for him.

00:32:01.000 You know, he's also killed his mom.

00:32:03.000 What?

00:32:04.000 Yeah, he did assisted suicide on his mom.

00:32:06.000 He bragged about it to the Washington Post.

00:32:07.000 You didn't know this?

00:32:08.000 No.

00:32:09.000 What was wrong with his mom, though?

00:32:10.000 I'm sure it was something awful, but when I hear a politician talking about something that personal that publicly, I am not going to look at it through a positive vein.

00:32:20.000 And this made stuff is in 14 states now.

00:32:22.000 Did you know this?

00:32:23.000 Yeah.

00:32:24.000 Well, in Canada, it's off the hook.

00:32:26.000 You know, Kelsey Sharon, I've been talking to her about this.

00:32:29.000 She completely blew my mind.

00:32:30.000 So first, it used to be, because it's always, oh, yeah, 55.

00:32:36.000 Long battle with breast cancer, deeply personal event.

00:32:38.000 He has described as a complex experience involving assisted suicide.

00:32:43.000 The Washington Report, Washington Post report and his memoir expressed deep grief and remorse regarding her death.

00:32:50.000 Remorse is a very dark word in this context.

00:32:53.000 He was 34 and San Francisco supervisor at the time.

00:32:58.000 Yeah, but maybe it was his mom's decision and he helped her.

00:33:02.000 Sure, but look, if you're dying of terminal cancer and your body's rotting out, I feel like just like you put a dog down, like there's times where I think assisted suicide is probably a good option if there's no hope and you're just going to be in agony for months.

00:33:17.000 And there's times where people have gender dysphoria and it's a good thing that's different. 1.00

00:33:23.000 Hold on.

00:33:23.000 It's not my point.

00:33:24.000 Is people like Blair White, Brianna Wu, you know, they have gender dysphoria. 1.00

00:33:29.000 It's perfectly appropriate to call them a she. 1.00

00:33:31.000 You know, it's otherwise very disturbing.

00:33:34.000 Five minutes later, once it becomes a political issue, it's anyone who just puts on a dress.

00:33:38.000 Right.

00:33:39.000 So the point that's that Kelsey has been going on with Canada is now they're going after people who are depressed.

00:33:44.000 They're going after people who are disabled.

00:33:44.000 Right.

00:33:45.000 They're going after kids.

00:33:46.000 And the darkest thing that's happening over there, which they're importing here, is that old people are extremely expensive for the system. 1.00

00:33:54.000 Right.

00:33:54.000 If you have socialized health care, I don't know what the number is, it's a huge number.

00:33:57.000 Towards the end of your life, you're racking up those bills.

00:34:00.000 So there's a huge incentive for that government to get you off of their ledger.

00:34:05.000 So now they're having this movement where let's all get together and have grand, we're all going to go kill grandma.

00:34:12.000 Five minutes ago, if you don't wear the COVID mask, you want to kill grandma, you're a bad person.

00:34:16.000 Now if you don't want to kill grandma, you're a bad person.

00:34:19.000 You don't want to end this way.

00:34:20.000 You were such a strong person.

00:34:22.000 Die with dignity, blah, blah, blah.

00:34:24.000 It's not always terminal stuff.

00:34:26.000 And in Europe, they're having you with teenagers who are depressed.

00:34:30.000 And you know perfectly well.

00:34:31.000 I've been listening to this notes.

00:34:32.000 It's not a slippery slope.

00:34:33.000 It's an elevator shaft.

00:34:35.000 Is this the back door?

00:34:36.000 Is it financial incentives?

00:34:38.000 It's a huge financial incentive.

00:34:39.000 Think about it.

00:34:40.000 If you're old and you're $1,000 a day and the government's paying it, if I get rid of you, look how much I'm saving.

00:34:46.000 Right.

00:34:47.000 And you're, oh, you don't want to be a burden to your family.

00:34:50.000 You don't want to have them sitting by your bedside?

00:34:53.000 Come on.

00:34:55.000 It's happening here.

00:34:57.000 New York just passed it.

00:34:58.000 It's 14 states.

00:35:00.000 And no one's passed it.

00:35:02.000 New York just passed it.

00:35:03.000 Oh.

00:35:04.000 You see, Mamdani is like, he's trying to figure out a way to use his budget.

00:35:08.000 His budget is higher than the entire budget of the state of Florida, which has three times more people.

00:35:14.000 No, it's not.

00:35:14.000 Is it?

00:35:15.000 Yes, it is.

00:35:15.000 Yeah.

00:35:16.000 No.

00:35:17.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:35:17.000 Look it up.

00:35:19.000 The budget for New York City is larger than the budget for the state of Florida.

00:35:25.000 Holy, I did not know this.

00:35:27.000 Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's true.

00:35:29.000 We should look it up.

00:35:30.000 But I was reading an article about it today, unless the article's completely full of shit.

00:35:34.000 They were saying that it's several billion dollars more for New York City than it is for the entire state of Florida, which has roughly three times as many people living in it.

00:35:43.000 Is that true, Jamie?

00:35:44.000 I'll try to.

00:35:46.000 I just, I go back once a month to do Gutfeld, and I can't believe I'm saying this as a former New Yorker, but I like L.A. better now than New York.

00:35:55.000 Whoa.

00:35:56.000 It hurts me physically to see.

00:35:58.000 What's wrong with New York now?

00:36:00.000 There's no eye-popping amount.

00:36:04.000 Insider called Insanity is up around $11 billion from the current 9% up.

00:36:10.000 A record $127 billion budget proposal on Tuesday.

00:36:14.000 The socialist leader, city leader's plan includes a whopping 9.5% proposed property tax hike.

00:36:21.000 9.5 hike on New Yorkers, which he claims would be a last resort while allocating another $1.2 billion for migrants.

00:36:32.000 Migrants. 0.98

00:36:33.000 What's the Florida budget, Jamie?

00:36:35.000 Scroll down a little bit.

00:36:37.000 Okay.

00:36:39.000 Wow.

00:36:40.000 But that's what...

00:36:41.000 Oh, my God.

00:36:42.000 It's the same.

00:36:42.000 It's about the same.

00:36:43.000 Yeah, the New York one would have been that this year, I think.

00:36:45.000 Yeah, but it's comparable.

00:36:46.000 Holy sh crap.

00:36:47.000 So it's not three times more, whatever the fuck it is, more?

00:36:51.000 No, three times more people, right?

00:36:53.000 Right.

00:36:53.000 So that is triple per capita.

00:36:55.000 Yeah, triple per capita.

00:36:56.000 So the budget of Florida, Florida House, is $113.6 billion to $115 billion.

00:37:05.000 And the New York proposal is $127 billion.

00:37:10.000 So it is more.

00:37:10.000 Holy Christian.

00:37:11.000 So New York City is, their budget is more than the entire state of California with three state of Florida with 3 million more people or three times the people.

00:37:22.000 Holy proposal for this year, it would be about the same because if it's 11 million, that's 116.

00:37:27.000 Sure.

00:37:29.000 But the point is, it still says it's up 11 billion from the current year.

00:37:33.000 It's still a proposal, though.

00:37:34.000 He hasn't passed it.

00:37:35.000 Well, he's not.

00:37:35.000 Yeah, he's a fucking psychopath.

00:37:37.000 You see, the amount for migrants is crazy. 1.00

00:37:41.000 There should be $0 for illegal immigrants. 1.00

00:37:44.000 I don't think you can have zero because if they're going to be there, you have to feed them.

00:37:50.000 You have to do something with them.

00:37:53.000 Like literally, if you don't feed them, they're going to be robbing stores.

00:37:57.000 Human beings need food.

00:37:58.000 What are you going to do?

00:37:59.000 Get them jobs.

00:38:00.000 How are you going to get a migrant a job? 1.00

00:38:02.000 Get them a job in Guatemala. 0.76

00:38:03.000 Wouldn't you rather give them food than a job? 0.85

00:38:05.000 I don't want them taking American citizens' jobs.

00:38:07.000 Well, the whole thing's a mess.

00:38:08.000 The whole thing's a mess.

00:38:09.000 But the point is, you can't just throw them away.

00:38:11.000 Right.

00:38:11.000 That's the problem.

00:38:12.000 Unless you're going to remove them from the country.

00:38:13.000 Right.

00:38:14.000 Unless you're moving.

00:38:15.000 Even if you want to put them in jail, that's not cheap.

00:38:17.000 That costs a lot of money.

00:38:17.000 Right.

00:38:18.000 Right.

00:38:19.000 So what are you going to do?

00:38:20.000 I remember Piers Morgan had this amazing interview with my favorite British politician, Diane Abbott, who is really special needs, clearly.

00:38:29.000 And in the UK, you have the government, which is members of parliament from the majority party, and then you have the minority party, which has a shadow cabinet.

00:38:39.000 If there's a Secretary of State, Rubio, the Democrats would have a Democrat equivalent who would deal with those issues. 0.99

00:38:45.000 And she was their shadow home secretary, which deals with immigration.

00:38:48.000 And he goes, Diane, if the Labor government wins the next election and you have illegal immigrants here, what do you do with them? 0.99

00:38:55.000 Do they get to stay?

00:38:56.000 Do you have amnesty?

00:38:57.000 You're going to deport them.

00:38:58.000 And he goes, she goes, Piers, the Tory system is not fit for purpose.

00:39:03.000 It's terrible.

00:39:04.000 We'll be more efficient and more fair.

00:39:06.000 And he goes, right, gotcha.

00:39:09.000 There's an illegal immigrant.

00:39:10.000 Do they get to stay or are they deported?

00:39:13.000 I've explained this to you.

00:39:14.000 And it was just this amazing thing.

00:39:17.000 Circular.

00:39:18.000 Yeah.

00:39:18.000 I love her.

00:39:21.000 How much money do they give to poor New Yorkers? 1.00

00:39:25.000 It's going to be a lot.

00:39:25.000 Oh, it's not.

00:39:27.000 But is it the same amount?

00:39:28.000 Look at this.

00:39:29.000 Okay.

00:39:31.000 So $7.54 billion to fill cliffs across six major unbudgeted needs.

00:39:39.000 Just to say, no, they haven't raised property taxes there in over 20 years.

00:39:42.000 Is that true?

00:39:43.000 That's what this says.

00:39:43.000 It's 25 years since September 19th.

00:39:45.000 Well, the property taxes are high.

00:39:47.000 I'm just a point.

00:39:48.000 But I understand they haven't raised it, but they shouldn't raise it.

00:39:52.000 Because it goes with as the property values go up.

00:39:55.000 Because the percent is going to go up.

00:39:56.000 The revenue is going to go up as well.

00:39:57.000 Exactly.

00:39:57.000 There's no reason to raise it, but like this idea that they haven't done it, so they should do it is crazy.

00:40:02.000 Oh, look at that.

00:40:03.000 So if your condo is $120,000, which is no condo is going to be that cheap, you're paying like 15% every year in property tax.

00:40:11.000 Yeah.

00:40:12.000 That's not nothing.

00:40:13.000 That's not nothing.

00:40:14.000 I think the idea is that rich people are just going to pay it.

00:40:17.000 And this is what they're trying to push.

00:40:19.000 Meanwhile, people are going to flee, just like they've done in other countries when they've done sort of wealth taxes.

00:40:27.000 That's $1,200, though.

00:40:29.000 A month.

00:40:31.000 So it's $1,200 a month, yeah.

00:40:33.000 $1,200 for the year.

00:40:34.000 A condo?

00:40:36.000 No, it's assessed at $120,000.

00:40:41.000 But that's a condo that's assessed at $120,000.

00:40:44.000 Good luck finding a condo assessed at $120,000 in New York City.

00:40:49.000 $14,000 divided by $12 is $1,200.

00:40:51.000 Well, for that particular condominium unit.

00:40:53.000 From $15,000 to $16,300.

00:40:53.000 Right.

00:40:56.000 That's a difference of $1,300.

00:40:59.000 I saw you're talking about that.

00:40:59.000 Oh, I see.

00:41:00.000 Right.

00:41:01.000 That's 12% on $120,000.

00:41:04.000 Now do a $55 million condo.

00:41:07.000 That's a $3.2 million one.

00:41:09.000 The really wealthy people are responsible for a large percentage of the tax income in New York City.

00:41:15.000 I think it's the upper 1%.

00:41:17.000 I think the upper 1% of New York City are responsible for 50% of the tax revenue.

00:41:22.000 That's got to be something crazy.

00:41:23.000 It's something crazy like that.

00:41:25.000 See what the actual number is.

00:41:27.000 So the thing about that actual number is those are the people that are going to leave.

00:41:31.000 Because those are the people, if they own multiple properties in New York City and then he hits them with this tax and it winds up being an excessive amount of money.

00:41:41.000 And then they're planning on taxing people if they leave.

00:41:43.000 This is like what they proposed in California.

00:41:46.000 They've also proposed this, I think, in the Netherlands to try to stop people from leaving.

00:41:49.000 Right.

00:41:50.000 Where you have to still have to pay taxes.

00:41:51.000 France was doing some weird thing.

00:41:52.000 I remember when Departue was leaving, they were trying to do something.

00:41:55.000 They're all just trying to steal money.

00:41:56.000 Top 1% of New York City income earners paid 48% of the city's personal income tax liability in 2021.

00:42:04.000 The most recent year with detailed data.

00:42:06.000 Why is the most recent year five years ago?

00:42:09.000 The PIT share equates to roughly 11% of New York City's total tax revenue.

00:42:14.000 PIT accounts for 23% of overall city tax collections.

00:42:18.000 So it's a lot of money.

00:42:19.000 48% of the city's personal income tax liability is an enormous amount of money.

00:42:23.000 So property tax is 45%.

00:42:25.000 That's where they get all their money from, which I understand because you can't take the entire state building somewhere else.

00:42:29.000 Right.

00:42:29.000 But if you're jacking all that up, top 1% paid 40% of PIT, shares may have declined post-2021 due to lower capital gains.

00:42:39.000 But he did do something I liked.

00:42:40.000 So him and Kathy Hochul had this thing where now they're trying to streamline, I'm sure there's some catch, to make it easier to build because they're understanding if rents are high, increasing supply is going to lower costs.

00:42:51.000 So if they do that, I think that's a great thing, obviously, which I never saw coming.

00:42:55.000 Right.

00:42:56.000 That's definitely good, but there's still people who are just, they don't like that kind of leadership.

00:43:01.000 It's spooky.

00:43:02.000 I'm much more concerned about he has someone in his cabinet or proposed to be in his cabinet who's concerned with decarceration.

00:43:10.000 And the principle is we got too many people in jail.

00:43:14.000 Now, maybe that might be true broadly speaking, but when you apply that en masse and on a case-by-case basis, who are you going to be letting out?

00:43:21.000 Because I don't think this claim people used to have that like, oh, all these people are in jail because of weed.

00:43:26.000 They're not.

00:43:27.000 And certainly not in New York City.

00:43:28.000 When I was on a grand jury and these weed cases came along, people wouldn't even indict them.

00:43:33.000 They're just like, we're not taking part of this.

00:43:35.000 This is BS.

00:43:36.000 And that's legal.

00:43:37.000 So for you to get to, look at, what's the guy who was under Jordan Neely?

00:43:41.000 What do you have?

00:43:41.000 Was that his name?

00:43:42.000 40 arrests?

00:43:43.000 The one who punched that girl in the face, the old lady in the face, and tried to kidnap a girl? 0.95

00:43:46.000 Yes.

00:43:47.000 So for you to be in jail in New York, it's not nothing.

00:43:50.000 Right.

00:43:51.000 Yeah.

00:43:52.000 And why?

00:43:53.000 Why would they want to do this?

00:43:55.000 Because their principle is the system or society, whatever you want to call it, whatever term for it is, is making people who are marginalized desperate.

00:44:05.000 So they act out.

00:44:07.000 So instead of putting them in jail, which helps no one is the argument, we should be working with them systemically to kind of normalize and make productive citizens out of them.

00:44:17.000 And what's their plan for that?

00:44:20.000 You have welfare programs, different training programs to throw money at it.

00:44:25.000 And here's the thing.

00:44:26.000 I can understand that argument.

00:44:28.000 Maybe if someone's stealing bread for their family, I've never understood how I'm really poor, so I'm going to hold a woman down and do bad things to her. 1.00

00:44:37.000 Or just randomly punch people in the streets or throw people in front of trains.

00:44:37.000 That's not a thing.

00:44:42.000 That's right.

00:44:43.000 It's like, it's not because you're late to your job interview that you shove somebody in front of the sixth train.

00:44:48.000 Right.

00:44:49.000 Yeah.

00:44:49.000 It's dark, man.

00:44:50.000 It's very dark.

00:44:51.000 But L.A. is not as dark as this.

00:44:54.000 I think in L.A., there is this still this sense of hope.

00:44:58.000 Really?

00:44:58.000 Because people I talk to in L.A., everyone I know knows someone that could have broken into.

00:45:04.000 Like the home invasions.

00:45:05.000 Oh, that's right.

00:45:06.000 That's the thing.

00:45:07.000 They're up in a huge way.

00:45:09.000 I'm just comparing two different kinds of cancer.

00:45:11.000 And I'm saying the cancer in LA is better than the cancer in New York.

00:45:15.000 Yes.

00:45:18.000 Because I remember growing up and not that long ago, with New York, there'd be this, you could find some new neighborhood and there'd be some cool ice cream store, some sock store, whatever, button store, cool little spots, and it would be fun adventure, just walk around and just walk in different places.

00:45:34.000 And that's gone.

00:45:35.000 Is it?

00:45:36.000 Yeah.

00:45:37.000 You can't open up some weird little store in New York anymore.

00:45:40.000 The rent's through the roof.

00:45:41.000 Like the crime is through the roof.

00:45:44.000 It's miserable.

00:45:45.000 L.A. has these little pockets, which I enjoy seeing.

00:45:48.000 So what's the solution for New York after this guy's out?

00:45:53.000 Do you think that it ever turns around?

00:45:55.000 Or do you think it keeps going in the same general direction?

00:45:57.000 And do you think the powers that be want it to go in this general direction?

00:46:00.000 It always turns around.

00:46:01.000 So John Lindsay was mayor in the late 60s during the Summer of Love stuff.

00:46:06.000 You had sexual assaults through the roof.

00:46:09.000 You remember New York was going bankrupt under Abe Beam when Gerald Ford was president.

00:46:13.000 Ed Ford, the headline, I think the New York Post was Ford in New York City dropped dead.

00:46:18.000 And that cost him some votes and possibly the presidency.

00:46:22.000 But New York has these, I don't know what the cycle, for Giuliani to win, you had to have a Dinkins.

00:46:27.000 For Obama to come in, you had to have a Bush.

00:46:29.000 So at some point, but here's the other problem.

00:46:32.000 There's two issues.

00:46:33.000 One is a lot of people who could left.

00:46:36.000 There didn't used to be a Plan B for New York because New York was its own thing.

00:46:39.000 Now it's Florida.

00:46:41.000 Now it's Florida or Austin.

00:46:43.000 And New York isn't New York anymore.

00:46:45.000 Because Fran Leibowitz, my second favorite public speaker, she had this point.

00:46:49.000 She goes, look, there's a lot of things you could say about a city that's full of rich people.

00:46:53.000 You could say rich people are bad.

00:46:53.000 You could say it's good.

00:46:55.000 You can't say it's interesting.

00:46:56.000 And unless there's a space for young people who have nothing to lose, who are going to bring culture and innovation.

00:47:04.000 Artists.

00:47:05.000 Broadly speaking, not just little painters, but artists.

00:47:08.000 It was Williamsburg.

00:47:09.000 It was the Bowery before that.

00:47:11.000 You know, there were little pockets of magic.

00:47:14.000 And I read hook.

00:47:16.000 I remember there was a bar called Lily's, and all of Redwick was deserted.

00:47:20.000 And there's just one light open.

00:47:21.000 And I came to this bar and there were this amazing singers.

00:47:23.000 And it was like a mystical experience.

00:47:25.000 And there'd be street art.

00:47:27.000 But you can't do that now.

00:47:28.000 A friend of mine's girlfriend used to work in this place called Den of Thieves.

00:47:31.000 Oh, okay.

00:47:32.000 And there's no sign.

00:47:32.000 Yeah.

00:47:34.000 You go in there.

00:47:34.000 Right.

00:47:35.000 It's this dingy little hole in the wall.

00:47:37.000 Or Milk and Honey was another.

00:47:38.000 This place is so cool.

00:47:39.000 It's so cool.

00:47:40.000 But you can't do that anymore.

00:47:42.000 No.

00:47:43.000 So, and I don't think under this guy there's going to be that return.

00:47:49.000 So do you think he's just appealing to this base of disenfranchised young people that have been told that the reason why they have all these problems is rich people are greedy and they've ruined everything and we should tax the rich and we'll feed the poor.

00:48:06.000 I think he is speaking to a lot of people.

00:48:08.000 So people on the right think everyone on the left is like a big monolith.

00:48:12.000 They're not.

00:48:13.000 And I think there's a lot of lefties, especially young lefties, who don't think the Democratic Party is an effective mechanism toward resolving their issues and concerns.

00:48:22.000 And he's not, he's on, just like Trump wasn't really a Republican.

00:48:25.000 He's a Republican on paper.

00:48:26.000 He had no allegiance to the Republican Party.

00:48:27.000 He took them all out one at a time.

00:48:29.000 This guy's a Democratic socialist.

00:48:31.000 He has no, in 1934, when Upton Sinclair ran for governor of California after years of running as a socialist, he goes, people vote for the party their grandparents voted for.

00:48:41.000 So he's a Democrat on paper.

00:48:43.000 He's a leftist, obviously, but he's a Democrat on paper.

00:48:44.000 Cuomo was the establishment hack.

00:48:46.000 And he's like, look, it was like Obama in 08.

00:48:48.000 Do you want to go with this old party hack or this young guy who's got a different vision?

00:48:54.000 And he definitely does have a different vision.

00:48:55.000 This isn't how Hillary would govern New York City or even Eric Adams or some of these others. 1.00

00:49:02.000 Well, I think one of the big reasons he won was that debate where he said that he wouldn't go to Israel.

00:49:06.000 You think that's a big one, New York?

00:49:08.000 100%.

00:49:09.000 I think that was an enormous shift.

00:49:11.000 I would say that's a 10, 15% shift.

00:49:13.000 10, 15?

00:49:14.000 That's huge.

00:49:15.000 We have the polling.

00:49:15.000 Absolutely huge.

00:49:16.000 I think the polling's horseshit because it's only people so fucking stupid they answer polls.

00:49:21.000 Like, who are those people?

00:49:23.000 I think there was a giant cultural shift where people are like, right, shouldn't we be paying attention to New York?

00:49:28.000 Why are all these people saying they want to go to Israel?

00:49:30.000 Why are they saying that?

00:49:32.000 Who's paying them?

00:49:34.000 Why are they saying that?

00:49:35.000 That's an odd thing to say.

00:49:36.000 Sure.

00:49:37.000 No one's saying the first thing I'm going to do is visit Belgium.

00:49:40.000 They're not saying that.

00:49:41.000 They're saying we're going to go to Israel.

00:49:43.000 Sure, but there's also a huge Jewish population in New York City.

00:49:47.000 So when Cuomo tapped into that, I don't know.

00:49:49.000 I don't think Mamdani was somehow outed as an anti-Zionist.

00:49:54.000 Politicians, like the percentage of people that are Jewish in New York City is small in comparison to the people that think that New York City should be the main focus of attention and not Israel.

00:50:06.000 Sure.

00:50:06.000 And I think when you have all these politicians that are doing things that don't make sense to most people, like saying the first thing I'm going to do is visit Israel.

00:50:14.000 What are you talking about?

00:50:15.000 This city's a mess.

00:50:16.000 And then this guy comes along and says, I can serve the Jewish people of New York City better in New York City.

00:50:21.000 And he had a large Jewish percentage, friends of Jewish rule.

00:50:25.000 Point is, I don't think that that number happened because of debate.

00:50:28.000 I think that was part of his appeal from the beginning.

00:50:30.000 Well, I think for fence sitters, though, that debate was big because you got to see one guy who's like, this is a solution to this system that we have been just replacing the heads of the people that are in charge, but it's the same exact mechanism.

00:50:45.000 No, that's what I was saying earlier, that he's not a member of the Democratic Party.

00:50:48.000 Cuomo is this old party hack, and he's like, look, let's throw all that stuff in the garbage.

00:50:53.000 This is something innovative and new.

00:50:54.000 This was the argument Obama made in 08.

00:50:56.000 And he's not wrong.

00:50:58.000 When he had his inaugural speech and he said, we're going to get rid of the cold, whatever grasp of capitalism and be embraced by the warmth of collectivism.

00:51:08.000 No Democrat is saying things like this.

00:51:10.000 This is something completely new and completely innovative.

00:51:13.000 So, how it's going to look in practice.

00:51:15.000 Here's the other thing, though.

00:51:17.000 The mayor of New York has a ceiling to what he can do.

00:51:20.000 So, I would not, if I'm, he's 34, I think.

00:51:23.000 Yeah.

00:51:24.000 He's young.

00:51:25.000 I don't, if I'm sat in that office and I'm up against the New York City real estate industry, it's not going to be an easy fight for me.

00:51:35.000 Right.

00:51:36.000 Trump had to learn this the first term.

00:51:38.000 It's like, just because you're president doesn't mean people are going to bend the knee and play ball.

00:51:42.000 So, who knows what this is going to look like?

00:51:46.000 And it's not just New York City.

00:51:47.000 Seattle's doing the same thing.

00:51:49.000 Seattle, they elected a full-on congressman.

00:51:49.000 What are they doing?

00:51:51.000 Oh, that's right, yeah, yeah.

00:51:52.000 Who lives with her parents and hasn't had a job, lives off her fucking parents. 0.98

00:51:57.000 Well, this is also a big concern with the Democrats in general.

00:52:02.000 Both parties, when you have the base and the establishment, we're basically just gangsters who are doing money laundering, and you have the kids who are like, We've been screwed over hearing this shit for bullshit for decades.

00:52:15.000 Let's have an alternative.

00:52:17.000 What do you do when you're Nancy Pelosi and you're Chuck Schumer and you're to a lesser extent Hakeem Jeffries and these people are coming up, the kids, wanting Democratic socialists?

00:52:26.000 I don't mean kids, I mean young people who are idealistic and are like, We tried your way, didn't give a shit.

00:52:30.000 It gave us Trump.

00:52:31.000 What do you tell them?

00:52:33.000 You know, what do you tell them?

00:52:34.000 You give us no answer.

00:52:35.000 You like vote for Stenny Hoyer for another 10 years?

00:52:38.000 Like, it's ridiculous.

00:52:41.000 Amy Klobuchar is not going to be your candidate if you have this Democratic socialist vision. 1.00

00:52:48.000 She will not deliver that for you, and she'll tell you that to her fate. 0.91

00:52:52.000 So, I think that the dance Newsom is trying to do.

00:53:00.000 And I don't see who I think he'd be the perfect VP because he's a great attack dog.

00:53:06.000 He doesn't have to worry about defending his own.

00:53:08.000 He doesn't want to be the VP.

00:53:09.000 I've heard that too, but he was Jerry Brown's number two.

00:53:13.000 He bided his time.

00:53:15.000 Yeah, but he was Jerry Brown's number two when he was young, and he had never been the governor.

00:53:18.000 Sure.

00:53:19.000 I'm just saying, like, he would be the perfect VP for the Democrats.

00:53:22.000 I don't think he wants that.

00:53:23.000 I don't think he wants to be the king.

00:53:25.000 I think he wants to ruin San Francisco, ruin California, and then go on to become the president.

00:53:30.000 You don't think he'd have a good shot at being the president?

00:53:33.000 Yeah.

00:53:33.000 I think he does.

00:53:34.000 He has a great shot.

00:53:34.000 He does.

00:53:35.000 I think he does.

00:53:36.000 I think people are that dumb.

00:53:36.000 Yeah.

00:53:37.000 I don't think it's that dumb.

00:53:39.000 I think you could.

00:53:40.000 They're that dumb that they're willing to vote party line no matter what.

00:53:43.000 And the guy was just a good speaker who's a good bullshit artist that he could be able to sweet talk his way into that position and just fudge data, lie about stuff.

00:53:52.000 Nick Shirley is in California right now doing the same thing that he was doing in Minneapolis.

00:53:57.000 Yeah, and they've already uncovered fucking billions of dollars of fraud.

00:54:00.000 Oh, he's making videos about it.

00:54:00.000 Yeah.

00:54:03.000 Same kind of fraud, Medicaid fraud, through the roof, all kinds of crazy shit.

00:54:07.000 Yeah.

00:54:08.000 But I mean, I don't know how much that Minnesota, Minnesota stuff permeated.

00:54:13.000 I mean, it took down Tim Waltz, which is one of the biggest scalps.

00:54:16.000 Like, no one saw that coming.

00:54:17.000 Right.

00:54:18.000 But the same thing, you take out Tim Waltz, here's Klobuchar's governor.

00:54:20.000 It's a Hydra.

00:54:21.000 You're not, you're not, frankly, you'd rather have him.

00:54:25.000 He's more defeatable than her.

00:54:26.000 Does it depend upon how much fraud gets exposed and who gets connected to that fraud and what the investigation unveils?

00:54:34.000 You're going to have people who listen to NPR tell you with a straight face that this fraud happens under any.

00:54:42.000 They'll have a little list, a list of excuses.

00:54:46.000 It's been investigated and resolved.

00:54:49.000 What?

00:54:49.000 There's no fraud in Florida and Texas.

00:54:51.000 Or what are you saying?

00:54:52.000 Or why are you targeting the Somalis?

00:54:57.000 And at the end of the day, I think people expect government to have fraud.

00:55:00.000 And if it's in Minnesota, you're not really going to – if I'm a Democrat in Minnesota, I'm voting Democrat.

00:55:05.000 And if I'm Republican, it's not, how many votes is this going to sway?

00:55:08.000 Well, they've done an amazing job in Minnesota of distracting people from the Somali fraud by organizing protests against ICE. 0.98

00:55:14.000 Right.

00:55:14.000 And that's people need to understand.

00:55:16.000 Like, yes, people are upset about ICE.

00:55:18.000 Fact.

00:55:19.000 Unquestionably, just regular people at home that aren't protesting.

00:55:23.000 But that protest is not just organized.

00:55:26.000 It's funded.

00:55:27.000 It's heavily funded, organized.

00:55:29.000 They had signal chats with Democratic congressmen or Democratic politicians rather that were involved in this.

00:55:36.000 They knew what they were doing and they did it because they wanted to distract from the fact that this fraud was being exposed.

00:55:42.000 Well, I think they would do it regardless.

00:55:43.000 But it certainly serves that purpose.

00:55:44.000 They totally shifted the narrative.

00:55:46.000 Nobody's talking about the fraud anymore.

00:55:46.000 Yes.

00:55:48.000 Everybody's talking about ICE being murderers.

00:55:50.000 Right.

00:55:51.000 Yeah.

00:55:52.000 So it worked.

00:55:53.000 If there's more fraud exposed, I don't know that it's going to work against Newsom.

00:55:53.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:55:57.000 Well, it depends on how the trials lay out.

00:55:58.000 So if people wind up going to trial over this and people wind up getting indicted over this, that could get more interesting because then you remove it from Minnesota and then it becomes this federal court thing.

00:56:08.000 And so then it becomes mainstream public news if they do this correctly.

00:56:12.000 If there is something there.

00:56:13.000 But the thing is, you have to worry about if the judge is going to be complicit and if the prosecutor is going to be complicit, like in the media is also.

00:56:20.000 You've got to kind of fly that arrow through three hoops.

00:56:24.000 You got to go through the bushes and make a small hole to see through.

00:56:28.000 And then to try to make it indicate, and then it'd be very easy for Newsom to be like, I'm so glad this got exposed.

00:56:33.000 Right.

00:56:34.000 I promise you, as president, this won't happen in America.

00:56:37.000 And if you want to talk corruption, look at Trump and all his sweetheart deals, blah, Hillary's array throwing men on the bus about Epstein. 1.00

00:56:44.000 They don't have shame.

00:56:45.000 You know what she's saying?

00:56:46.000 Hilly's like, Trump's in the files thousands of times.

00:56:49.000 Like, let's have this conversation.

00:56:51.000 She started already.

00:56:52.000 Right.

00:56:53.000 What does that mean, though, when you're in the file thousands of times?

00:56:56.000 Because he is the guy that was in contact with the FBI about Epstein.

00:57:02.000 He did contact the FBI after Epstein was arrested and thanked them for arresting him and getting him because that guy was a real problem.

00:57:10.000 Right.

00:57:11.000 And he did kick him out of Mar-a-Lago in 2005.

00:57:14.000 But she's being factual but not truthful.

00:57:16.000 So it is factual that his name is in the files thousands of times.

00:57:20.000 And then you leave it for the person listening to make that conclusion.

00:57:22.000 Right.

00:57:22.000 That's all you have to say.

00:57:23.000 That's all you have to say.

00:57:24.000 We were talking to Don L. Rawlings yesterday.

00:57:26.000 He's in the files.

00:57:27.000 Okay.

00:57:28.000 Because Epstein went to visit his show, went to watch his show at improv in West Palm Beach.

00:57:33.000 I did a search for the word retarded.

00:57:36.000 And the one email I found was someone like, can you mail me that photo where I look fat and retarded? 0.76

00:57:42.000 That's it.

00:57:43.000 And it's not clear from who.

00:57:44.000 It's too Epstein.

00:57:45.000 It's redacted.

00:57:46.000 No one wants to know that they were admitted they look fat and retarded. 1.00

00:57:49.000 Or the N-words in there a fair amount also.

00:57:52.000 Well, there's a lot of references to pizza.

00:57:55.000 You know, there's, I think there's thousands of references to pizza and jerky.

00:58:00.000 The jerky.

00:58:01.000 And grape soda.

00:58:02.000 And grape soda.

00:58:03.000 Yeah.

00:58:04.000 So I think.

00:58:05.000 Grape, the thing about grape soda is grape is like what people do to get around the algorithm when they're discussing rape.

00:58:11.000 When they don't, he graped them.

00:58:13.000 But this was like 2011.

00:58:14.000 I don't think people knew about that stuff.

00:58:16.000 Right.

00:58:16.000 And I don't think Epstein as a boomer knows how to get around algorithms.

00:58:20.000 That's not an algorithm thing.

00:58:20.000 Right.

00:58:22.000 Right.

00:58:22.000 It's just a code thing.

00:58:23.000 So I thought maybe it's a black thing, but then. 0.94

00:58:26.000 Grape soda?

00:58:27.000 Oh, right.

00:58:27.000 Yeah, but then he's racist.

00:58:28.000 There's like things about don't bring black people.

00:58:30.000 Oh, really?

00:58:31.000 He says don't bring black people.

00:58:31.000 Oh, yeah.

00:58:32.000 Something to that effect.

00:58:33.000 Yeah.

00:58:34.000 Something to that effect.

00:58:35.000 Please double check me on this, but it was something that he was not no black girls.

00:58:40.000 Oh, no black girls. 1.00

00:58:41.000 Interesting.

00:58:43.000 Huh.

00:58:44.000 So, yeah.

00:58:46.000 I don't think we're ever.

00:58:48.000 The other thing that I'm kind of stunned at is there's this belief online that if there's enough agitation, like QAnon, we're all going to have these mass arrests.

00:59:00.000 And I don't see that happening.

00:59:02.000 And I don't think you can do anything to force them to release the really bad stuff if they haven't.

00:59:08.000 So what else is left?

00:59:09.000 There's 3 million other files that have.

00:59:13.000 They said they released everything.

00:59:15.000 Well, they also said there wasn't anything.

00:59:17.000 Right.

00:59:19.000 You know, when Kash Patel was on here, it's like, there's no videos.

00:59:22.000 There's no evidence.

00:59:23.000 There's no nothing.

00:59:24.000 The craziest for me was when Pam Bondi said, I've got the list.

00:59:28.000 And I said to myself, and I talked to my friends, they all agreed with me.

00:59:31.000 I'm like, I really don't think he had like clients list.doc on his desktop.

00:59:36.000 That's not a thing, right?

00:59:37.000 So I would, I believe he doesn't like have a literal list.

00:59:40.000 And later she goes, when I said list, I meant blah, blah, blah.

00:59:44.000 And I'm like, but you said list.

00:59:45.000 Right.

00:59:45.000 Well, they had those binders.

00:59:47.000 They were all performatively holding those binders.

00:59:49.000 We have the files.

00:59:51.000 We're going to go through them.

00:59:52.000 Heads are going to roll.

00:59:53.000 Right.

00:59:53.000 Nothing happened.

00:59:54.000 And then Les Wexner, what did he say today?

00:59:57.000 Jamie, you were saying that he said he got conned or something by so many years.

01:00:02.000 I've been seeing online, I don't know the accuracy, that there's a bunch of missing files from specifically 1999 through 2001.

01:00:09.000 Right.

01:00:10.000 And that people are connecting that to 9-11.

01:00:12.000 Yeah.

01:00:13.000 Oh, wait.

01:00:15.000 Wait, 1990.

01:00:16.000 Pre- and post-9-11 are all missing.

01:00:19.000 Wait, so Epstein might be involved with 9-11?

01:00:23.000 But I mean, what's the thumb text and string?

01:00:25.000 I'm not saying it's impossible.

01:00:26.000 Well, there's a lot of people that believe that Israel was involved in 9-11.

01:00:26.000 I'm just saying.

01:00:29.000 Right.

01:00:29.000 But I don't think Epstein was high up in the Israeli decision-making process.

01:00:34.000 I think they're just looking for financial records of things, and those are all missing.

01:00:39.000 People's names pop up.

01:00:42.000 If I found out Mohamed Atta was a pedophile, I might actually start to dislike that guy.

01:00:48.000 That would really change my opinion of him.

01:00:51.000 Epstein files surrounding 9-11.

01:00:52.000 Wow.

01:00:53.000 Coincidence.

01:00:54.000 Oh, this just came out.

01:00:55.000 Yeah, this is, I mean, people are still digging in this stuff every day.

01:00:58.000 Holy crap.

01:00:58.000 Why people keep finding new shit all the time?

01:01:00.000 Oh, my God.

01:01:01.000 This is fascinating.

01:01:01.000 Scroll down.

01:01:02.000 That fucking cryptic George W. What about the photograph?

01:01:06.000 The Clinton ones work of the artwork.

01:01:07.000 Yeah, the drums.

01:01:08.000 We have that outside.

01:01:09.000 Yeah, I saw, yeah.

01:01:10.000 They stumbled across something where there was redacted photos.

01:01:13.000 If you look through the files and typed in something like no photos rendered, you could change the .pdf to .mp4 or .mov.

01:01:21.000 There's thousands of videos are popping up.

01:01:23.000 Wow.

01:01:24.000 People are starting to watch all those videos.

01:01:25.000 Some of them are from the prison.

01:01:26.000 Some of them are from the island.

01:01:27.000 Flight logs starting.

01:01:29.000 Okay.

01:01:29.000 Have they found anything in those videos?

01:01:32.000 You got to go through them individually.

01:01:34.000 People are now.

01:01:35.000 I don't, again, the accuracy.

01:01:37.000 I've seen a video where someone said this was from the video and there's like a girl crying in it, but I don't.

01:01:37.000 I don't know.

01:01:41.000 Adderall and autism, do your job.

01:01:45.000 Find those videos.

01:01:47.000 That should be the subtitle of this show.

01:01:48.000 It's a real good experience.

01:01:49.000 Adderall and autism.

01:01:50.000 Do your job.

01:01:51.000 Holy crap.

01:01:52.000 That's hilarious.

01:01:54.000 Oh, my God.

01:01:55.000 What a world we're living in.

01:01:57.000 You want to talk about, I want to talk about Scott Adams.

01:01:59.000 I was just at his memorials.

01:01:59.000 Sure.

01:02:01.000 Was he ever on your show?

01:02:03.000 Yes.

01:02:04.000 I got invited to speak, and it was really a great experience.

01:02:09.000 I got a, because I'm a mental patient, I got a Dilbert mask.

01:02:13.000 And the thing with the Dilbert mask is there's no mouth, right?

01:02:16.000 So Dr. Drew was supposed to speak and I was going to go there and do my little terrorism where I was going to have my little phone and say, nice to meet you.

01:02:24.000 I'm Dilbert and Wave and then swipe and be like, you know, can you take off your glasses, please?

01:02:28.000 And he takes a glass and be like, nice eyes, may I, I'm going to take them and just fuck with people at the funeral, like Scott would have wanted.

01:02:35.000 It was really great because it was very upbeat.

01:02:40.000 And I was kind of honored.

01:02:43.000 Guttfeld asked me, Guttfeld texts me.

01:02:45.000 He goes, hey, do you want to speak?

01:02:46.000 And I go, it'd be a huge honor.

01:02:47.000 And he just goes, great.

01:02:48.000 And I'm like, am I actually speaking or you're just, you know, quizzing me?

01:02:52.000 I got to see Cernovich was there, Pesobic, a few other people, and then afterwards went to his house.

01:02:57.000 And there's something really kind of eerie about walking in the house of someone who had just passed.

01:03:05.000 His ex-wife, Sherry, let me take two of his markers, which I will, you know, always treasure and kind of hang in my house.

01:03:12.000 There were two lines I couldn't say at the memorial because I knew the fans would get salty, which is, Scott is in heaven right now doing what he loved most, avoiding black people. 1.00

01:03:21.000 And the reason Dilbert was a black and white comic strip is because Scott didn't really like the colors.

01:03:26.000 Right.

01:03:27.000 Because Scott was a humorist.

01:03:29.000 Just go for the joke.

01:03:30.000 Right.

01:03:31.000 But I mean, it's just, it's weird how much he still resonates, I think, with people.

01:03:43.000 And I don't really have anything else particularly to say, but I just felt it was important to kind of commemorate his passing because he's really helped me out a lot in my thinking.

01:03:52.000 Yeah, it's a real bummer, man, because it happened so quickly.

01:03:56.000 His cancer, he got turbo cancer.

01:03:58.000 Well, he had it in January 2025.

01:04:02.000 And he said, I'm going to wait for my stepdaughter to get married. 0.81

01:04:05.000 And she was there and I got to meet her.

01:04:06.000 She was a lovely kid to get married. 0.96

01:04:09.000 And then I'm going to do it.

01:04:11.000 And then he tweeted something out.

01:04:13.000 RFK jumped in.

01:04:14.000 Trump jumped in.

01:04:15.000 They got him this medicine.

01:04:16.000 And I got him a few more months.

01:04:18.000 And, you know, so he got six more months.

01:04:20.000 Point being, with the made stuff, just because someone's terminal doesn't mean they don't have months left.

01:04:25.000 You can do a lot in those months.

01:04:26.000 It was funny.

01:04:27.000 There's another cartoonist.

01:04:28.000 I apologize in black in his name.

01:04:30.000 And he was friends with Scott for a long time.

01:04:33.000 Scott had promoted his work once, and he went from like obscurity to like a big name.

01:04:37.000 And Scott asked him, hey, can you write the foreword to my forthcoming biography?

01:04:41.000 And the guy's like, I'm not really going to have time.

01:04:43.000 So Scott was that kind of person where he's just like, just because, you know, I'm about to meet my maker, I don't want you to be morose.

01:04:53.000 His book, Reframe Your Brain, is a complete masterpiece.

01:04:57.000 Because what he does is he goes through mindsets and instantly recalibrates them.

01:05:03.000 One of them is the regular framework is, I should do great at my job.

01:05:07.000 And his reframe is, my job is to prepare for a better job.

01:05:12.000 And when you think about it that way, having that shitty job is not rough because you're just laying the groundwork for something better.

01:05:17.000 So when I spoke, I said the framework is we're having a memorial for Scott, but the reframe is we're having a party and Scott's really late.

01:05:25.000 So if you think about that terms, hey, we're having fun.

01:05:25.000 Right?

01:05:27.000 Where's this asshole?

01:05:29.000 Because he didn't want us to be there like moping.

01:05:32.000 He always was positive, always was fun, even during that day.

01:05:36.000 So I thought, I just owe him a lot.

01:05:39.000 Did he blame his death on the COVID shots?

01:05:42.000 So he got a lot.

01:05:45.000 This really bothered me because he'd be tweeting about stuff.

01:05:48.000 People like, shouldn't have got the shot.

01:05:49.000 It's like, this guy's about to die.

01:05:51.000 Like, this is your gotcha moment.

01:05:52.000 This is your like, I told you so moment.

01:05:54.000 It's just, so he did not blame it.

01:05:57.000 I wouldn't be surprised if that was the, you saw what just happened.

01:05:59.000 I met James Vanderbeek through you.

01:06:01.000 I met him at the mothership in the green room.

01:06:04.000 48, six kids.

01:06:06.000 The wife seemed very sweet and charming too. 0.97

01:06:08.000 He was just seemed like a real chill dude.

01:06:10.000 I haven't seen one person.

01:06:11.000 Not one person like a super nice guy.

01:06:12.000 Not one person's anything bad to say about him, which says a lot from that kind of era.

01:06:16.000 No, he was a sweetheart.

01:06:16.000 Yeah.

01:06:17.000 So 48, man.

01:06:18.000 That's scary.

01:06:20.000 I know.

01:06:21.000 And there's an unprecedented number of young people that are dying of cancer.

01:06:25.000 In fact, was it Time magazine that had a cover of it?

01:06:27.000 I saved it because it was kind of the cover is kind of crazy because it's proposing what is causing these things and why is this all happening as if no one knows.

01:06:37.000 Like, what could it be?

01:06:37.000 Yeah, right.

01:06:38.000 What is the some fucking mystery?

01:06:40.000 Could be anything.

01:06:42.000 You know, I know I saved it.

01:06:46.000 Raised to explain why more young adults are getting cancer.

01:06:49.000 Holy crap.

01:06:50.000 Yeah.

01:06:51.000 What do you think it could be?

01:06:52.000 Anything weird happen?

01:06:53.000 Do you guys know what SV40 is?

01:06:56.000 Should probably look it up.

01:06:58.000 What's amazing about articles?

01:06:59.000 Like, do they are does that article make it a point to do they ignore the vaccine so-called vaccine or do they downplay it as the cause?

01:07:06.000 Like those are the two options.

01:07:07.000 Right.

01:07:08.000 What do they say in that article?

01:07:10.000 Did they bring up love to hear that?

01:07:14.000 Couldn't possibly be.

01:07:16.000 Do you know what really fucked me up recently?

01:07:19.000 And you're going to laugh in my face, and every Maha person listening to this is going to laugh in my face. 1.00

01:07:23.000 And you can feel free to laugh in my face because it's covered in polka dots.

01:07:27.000 Aspartame.

01:07:29.000 I would drink my main method of hydration was Dr. Pepper Zero.

01:07:36.000 It's warranted.

01:07:37.000 I know.

01:07:37.000 This is why I have the polka dots.

01:07:39.000 And I go to New York and I'm low on calories for my macros.

01:07:43.000 And I switched to full sugar, Dr. Pepper, so it wasn't the caffeine.

01:07:46.000 And my thinking changed.

01:07:48.000 And I'm like, this is.

01:07:50.000 And I go online.

01:07:51.000 This has been known for since I was quicker on my feet.

01:07:57.000 I was having trouble remembering words, remembering names, remembering just being my verbal cognitive speed of how I speak is something that is part of my job.

01:08:07.000 And I was having issues with that.

01:08:08.000 I have their workarounds, but I couldn't think of someone's name or someone's word.

01:08:11.000 Or I was having this false.

01:08:13.000 There you go.

01:08:14.000 Research has linked high consumption of aspartame to impaired memory, spatial learning deficits, and faster cognitive decline in adults under 60.

01:08:23.000 Yep.

01:08:23.000 Neural inflammation, oxidative stress.

01:08:26.000 Aspartame metabolites could trigger chronic microglial activation and increased oxidative stress in the brain, leading to neuronal damage and potential neurodegeneration.

01:08:41.000 You know who pushed that through, right?

01:08:42.000 Aspartame?

01:08:43.000 Rumsfeld.

01:08:44.000 No.

01:08:45.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:08:47.000 Search that.

01:08:48.000 So here's the thing.

01:08:49.000 Throw that into perplexity.

01:08:50.000 If you're listening to this and you're someone like me who was living on it, just try for two days, right?

01:08:56.000 And you'll know right away.

01:08:56.000 Really?

01:08:58.000 Because I also had this low-key anxiety all the time.

01:09:01.000 Like, it was like a one out of 10, but it was there.

01:09:02.000 I thought, okay, it's just whatever.

01:09:05.000 I thought it's just life.

01:09:06.000 Nope, it's gone.

01:09:07.000 Donald Rumsfeld, CEO of GD Cereal in the late 1970s, early 80s, played a pivotal role, the FDA approval of aspartame, the artificial sweetener, in products like NutriSweet.

01:09:16.000 Holy crap.

01:09:17.000 Yeah.

01:09:18.000 So there were studies back then showing approval due to potential carcinogenic carcinogenicity risks.

01:09:31.000 Hayes approved aspartame for dry food shortly after, expanding it to beverages by 1983.

01:09:38.000 There were studies on, I think there were rat studies.

01:09:41.000 And he gave them like Alzheimer's.

01:09:44.000 Well, so I am just warning people as much as I can.

01:09:49.000 Pretend I'm a quack.

01:09:50.000 That's fine.

01:09:51.000 Just give me two days.

01:09:52.000 Lay off aspartame.

01:09:53.000 And see what happens to you.

01:09:55.000 Okay.

01:09:56.000 Well, it makes sense.

01:09:58.000 I mean, there's no biological free lunch.

01:10:01.000 If you get something, it does something positive, it's probably doing something negative.

01:10:05.000 If it's some novel potion that you're pouring into your body, there's probably some negative aspect of it.

01:10:13.000 Talking to Dr. Mike about this, about brain tumors in rats.

01:10:19.000 Yeah.

01:10:19.000 Led the FDA to stay aspartame 74 approval.

01:10:23.000 Brain tumor and fucking rats, man.

01:10:25.000 Highlighted high brain tumor incidence in rat feeding studies and risks from phenylalanine causing convulsions or mental retardation. 1.00

01:10:34.000 Isn't that what they think killed Tammy Faye Baker? 0.88

01:10:36.000 Didn't she drink like a fucking gallon of Diet Coke a day? 1.00

01:10:39.000 Really?

01:10:40.000 Yeah.

01:10:41.000 Find that.

01:10:42.000 I think that's what a lot of people, because Tammy Faye Baker, I think, died of brain cancer.

01:10:48.000 Colon cancer?

01:10:49.000 Okay.

01:10:50.000 What's that?

01:10:51.000 That spread to her lungs.

01:10:52.000 Oh, that's awful.

01:10:53.000 Went from her colon to her lungs.

01:10:55.000 What is she doing?

01:10:55.000 Ask the mouth stuff.

01:10:58.000 She should call Kristen Cinema.

01:10:59.000 I don't think it's contagious.

01:11:01.000 She should call Kristen Cinema.

01:11:02.000 That was some weird orchies down there.

01:11:05.000 But wasn't she like a prolific Diet Coke drinker?

01:11:05.000 Fuck.

01:11:11.000 I think she was.

01:11:13.000 I think people were trying to link it.

01:11:15.000 Look, it can't be good for you.

01:11:17.000 Well, I.

01:11:18.000 It tastes like sugar.

01:11:19.000 It can't be good for you.

01:11:19.000 It's not sugar.

01:11:20.000 It did a number on me, and I'm happy to be able to warn people.

01:11:24.000 It scared the fuck out of me when it was.

01:11:26.000 I like stevia.

01:11:27.000 Like, I like these drinks called Zevias.

01:11:30.000 They're stevia drinks and zero calories, tastes good.

01:11:34.000 Right.

01:11:35.000 It doesn't quite taste like sugar, but it tastes good enough.

01:11:37.000 I'm just sticking in my water and my full sugar sodas.

01:11:41.000 But my daughter's like really good at reading labels and finding. 0.95

01:11:43.000 She was like, you're only supposed to drink one of those a day.

01:11:45.000 I was like, are you sure?

01:11:46.000 I was eating a protein bar this morning while I'm getting my face did, and I just look at the label, and one of the ingredients I see is titanium dioxide.

01:11:53.000 I'm like, do I really titanium?

01:11:56.000 Interesting.

01:11:57.000 Like, what?

01:11:58.000 Yeah.

01:11:59.000 So that's in me now.

01:12:00.000 Yeah.

01:12:01.000 There's other protein bars.

01:12:02.000 You don't have to eat that shit.

01:12:03.000 I think they all have that.

01:12:04.000 No, I eat carnivore bars.

01:12:06.000 You ever have carnivore bars?

01:12:07.000 No, I have a lot of it.

01:12:07.000 It tastes like fat and meat.

01:12:09.000 I use MRE Light is the brand I use.

01:12:11.000 Carnivore bars are great.

01:12:14.000 They just taste like you're eating fat, fat and meat.

01:12:18.000 Like, okay.

01:12:19.000 Is that all the ingredients are?

01:12:20.000 Yeah, I don't think there's anything bad in them at all.

01:12:22.000 I think it's like, pull that company up, carnivore bars.

01:12:29.000 I'm happy to switch.

01:12:31.000 Yeah, I think it's pretty natural.

01:12:33.000 I don't think there's anything in there.

01:12:35.000 This got to have a lot of salt or sodium.

01:12:36.000 Yeah, there's some salt in there, but salt's not bad for you.

01:12:38.000 That's all horseshit.

01:12:40.000 Like when you're eating TV dinners and those numbers, that's not the best.

01:12:43.000 TV dinners are filled with preservatives.

01:12:43.000 That's different.

01:12:45.000 Carnivore snacks is great.

01:12:48.000 This is.

01:12:49.000 No, well, this is something that I eat all the time.

01:12:51.000 This is my go-to snack.

01:12:53.000 When I go to the UFC, that's the stuff I bring.

01:12:56.000 I bring that.

01:12:56.000 Okay.

01:12:57.000 They don't have it for you?

01:12:57.000 Do you bring it?

01:12:58.000 No, I bring it.

01:12:59.000 I bring it because I get the snacks.

01:13:02.000 I work with this company, so they send me a bunch of it.

01:13:04.000 It's fucking great.

01:13:05.000 But the carnivore bar.

01:13:06.000 So this stuff.

01:13:07.000 Okay.

01:13:07.000 Purest meal on earth, two ingredients: 20 grams of protein, 35 gram animal-based fat, 400 to 420 calories from grass-finished beef, shelf-stable, no refrigeration.

01:13:20.000 That's what I eat.

01:13:21.000 Okay, send it to me.

01:13:22.000 I have some.

01:13:22.000 Send me some, guys.

01:13:23.000 They'll send you some.

01:13:24.000 Tell you.

01:13:25.000 If I had some here, I eat those all the time.

01:13:27.000 I take them with me.

01:13:28.000 I throw them in my car.

01:13:29.000 It's fucking great.

01:13:30.000 If you want to eat something, that is what I need.

01:13:31.000 It's protein.

01:13:32.000 It's got grass-finished beef tallow, so you get the fat from grief to some people don't like the taste of it.

01:13:38.000 Why don't they?

01:13:38.000 I like it.

01:13:39.000 I'd like to mild or bland.

01:13:41.000 That's fine, though.

01:13:42.000 Yeah, you're eating it from macro.

01:13:43.000 I'm trying to get food.

01:13:44.000 Right, yeah, nutrition.

01:13:46.000 Yeah, but it doesn't make me feel bad at all.

01:13:48.000 It feels like food.

01:13:49.000 Like, I've tried some other stuff.

01:13:51.000 Like, I tried those David bars.

01:13:52.000 Oh, my God, though.

01:13:53.000 I never heard of that.

01:13:54.000 The barts I was having.

01:13:55.000 So, David bars, they have some weird fat in it that your body doesn't digest.

01:14:02.000 Like those oleen chips?

01:14:04.000 Something like that, but a new version of it.

01:14:07.000 And so when this company, when they were purchased, they got a monopoly on that kind of whatever this ingredient is.

01:14:16.000 And all these other companies, they blocked it.

01:14:19.000 These companies that were using it, they couldn't use it anymore.

01:14:21.000 So a lot of people were like boycotting David bars.

01:14:23.000 They taste good.

01:14:24.000 And they have like a lot of protein.

01:14:26.000 I think it's like 30 protein for like 150 calories.

01:14:29.000 But good lord, the farts I was having.

01:14:32.000 I was like, this is because your body's like, what is this?

01:14:35.000 I had that same thing with protein Cheerios.

01:14:38.000 Protein Cheerios.

01:14:39.000 Yeah, it wasn't farts.

01:14:40.000 I was having the trots.

01:14:41.000 Oh, right.

01:14:42.000 Yeah.

01:14:42.000 Like they just came by.

01:14:43.000 It tastes good.

01:14:45.000 What the fuck are you doing?

01:14:47.000 Just eat some meat.

01:14:47.000 Just eat it.

01:14:49.000 Yeah, but eat something like carnivore bars or those carnivore snacks are delicious.

01:14:53.000 It's just beef and salt.

01:14:55.000 That's all those carnivore bar snacks are.

01:14:58.000 It's like a beef pastry.

01:14:59.000 Good.

01:15:00.000 It's not even like jerky.

01:15:01.000 It's chewy.

01:15:02.000 It's delicious.

01:15:03.000 So this is a fat sub lab-engineered fat substitute called EPG, manufactured by a little-known Indianapolis-based company called Epigee.

01:15:12.000 After tinkering with the product formulation, the Fugles set up a website in 2024 and began promoting the bars at local bodybuilding shows and farmers markets.

01:15:20.000 It's just an article about food.

01:15:21.000 Right.

01:15:22.000 So what does it say that stuff does?

01:15:26.000 So find out what that stuff does.

01:15:29.000 But it does something where your body doesn't digest the fat.

01:15:34.000 Like it doesn't turn into calories.

01:15:36.000 This is promoting them.

01:15:36.000 This is making it sound great.

01:15:37.000 Yeah, there's 58 other mentions of EPG in here.

01:15:40.000 Yeah, this is making it sound like, oh, it's the best thing ever.

01:15:42.000 They're not mentioning the farts.

01:15:43.000 Well, yeah, this is probably promoting it.

01:15:45.000 Yeah.

01:15:45.000 Oh, no, it says about the lawsuit.

01:15:45.000 Yeah, it is.

01:15:47.000 Oh.

01:15:48.000 Oh, it is.

01:15:48.000 Oh.

01:15:49.000 It's essentially a better Olestra.

01:15:51.000 At the time, fat was the big culprit for heart disease, which it's not undigestible.

01:15:57.000 Olestra was undigestible.

01:15:58.000 That was its key attribute.

01:16:00.000 It passed right through the digestive tract, therefore wouldn't result in body fat.

01:16:04.000 The problem was its low melting point in the body, which led to an infamously polite phrase printed on the wow labels may cause abdominal cramping and loose stools.

01:16:16.000 Yeah, people are shitting this stuff.

01:16:17.000 Yeah.

01:16:17.000 On those Pringles or something, I think.

01:16:19.000 Well, this stuff did give me loose stools, but it did give me like the devil was farting out of my asshole.

01:16:25.000 I got to tell you, isn't that stuff that's fun?

01:16:27.000 Farts?

01:16:28.000 Like when you have a fart that sounds like a symphony.

01:16:28.000 Yeah.

01:16:31.000 Like when you're old and you start having new farts, I kind of like it.

01:16:34.000 I'm just like, I still got it.

01:16:36.000 Well, this was just like, for me, it was a warning sign.

01:16:38.000 My body was like, hey, this is.

01:16:40.000 I think it's a warning sign to other people too, Joe.

01:16:43.000 Yeah, right.

01:16:44.000 Anybody else near me?

01:16:45.000 So what is the problem with that stuff?

01:16:48.000 Yeah, my look.

01:16:49.000 Okay.

01:16:53.000 And problems.

01:16:55.000 Yeah, I guess.

01:16:59.000 So that was the thing they were trying to block other people from using it.

01:17:03.000 Bloating, gas, and diarrhea.

01:17:04.000 Yeah, bloating, gas, and diarrhea due to sugar alcohol.

01:17:08.000 Laxol effect.

01:17:09.000 And the non-digestible fat substitute, that's it.

01:17:09.000 Wow.

01:17:12.000 Which are poorly absorbed and can have a laxative effect, especially in larger amounts.

01:17:17.000 The company recommending limiting intake to two bars daily to minimize discomfort.

01:17:22.000 Wait, wait, wait, can't we stop?

01:17:24.000 I love that they say minimize, not eliminate.

01:17:26.000 There's no food where you're like, you know, if you eat too much.

01:17:29.000 Minimize it.

01:17:30.000 You're going to definitely have disgusting.

01:17:31.000 Who's eating two of these fucking things a day?

01:17:34.000 I'm sure people.

01:17:35.000 I know, but I mean, like, after the farts, wouldn't you be like, hey.

01:17:39.000 But it's not only the farts, it's the distension.

01:17:41.000 The inflammation.

01:17:42.000 Yeah, you have that bloated feeling.

01:17:44.000 For some people, but why they would choose something like this is they want all that protein with 150 calories and they'll just take the farts.

01:17:52.000 Well, I mean, look away.

01:17:52.000 Yeah.

01:17:53.000 Whey's not digestible.

01:17:54.000 That's the standard protein for bodybuilders.

01:17:57.000 Yeah, but it doesn't bother me.

01:17:58.000 Yeah, but a lot of people, whey is not easy to break down.

01:18:01.000 Yeah, I have zero problem with whey.

01:18:03.000 I can't do whey.

01:18:04.000 Getting brain fog from the way a little bit interesting huh, maybe I would.

01:18:04.000 Really?

01:18:09.000 Something's wrong with my brain, I don't know well, you might have like some sort of a you know a milk allergy or something that's possible, hell knows.

01:18:17.000 But the point is I switched to the whole meat yeah, and that's something like carnivore snacks or those carnivore bars.

01:18:24.000 That's the solution.

01:18:25.000 Get those and that way you're.

01:18:27.000 You don't have to even think it's just food and your body treats it like food.

01:18:31.000 It feels like food when you eat it.

01:18:32.000 It doesn't feel like.

01:18:33.000 It's just hard for me to get enough calories in a day for what I need.

01:18:36.000 What are you trying to do?

01:18:37.000 I'm doing lean gains.

01:18:39.000 Lean gains yeah, what does that mean?

01:18:41.000 So you're keeping the same body fat, but you're slowly putting on weight.

01:18:44.000 So it's really a tightrope.

01:18:45.000 Okay, so you're in.

01:18:46.000 You're involved in that.

01:18:47.000 Again, I know you bailed on bodybuilding type activities.

01:18:51.000 Well no, I still go to the gym, but you're trying to get jacked.

01:18:54.000 I think i'm in good shape, but you're trying to get jacked.

01:18:56.000 I know okay yeah, why you're doing that.

01:19:00.000 What do you mean?

01:19:00.000 I didn't do that.

01:19:01.000 I'm just asking, are you trying to get jacked I I?

01:19:03.000 Okay, that seems like a kind of question that you cornering me in the gym.

01:19:06.000 No, what do you mean by trying?

01:19:08.000 No no no no, it's a normal thing for people that are trying to get swole. 0.99

01:19:11.000 You're trying to get like big muscles.

01:19:14.000 I am trying to put on as much mass as I can while maintaining a somewhat lean build.

01:19:21.000 What are you doing like as far as your workouts?

01:19:23.000 I go to gym four days a week.

01:19:26.000 What are you doing with your workout?

01:19:27.000 What kind of workouts I do?

01:19:28.000 A bro split don't make fun of me.

01:19:29.000 No, there's nothing wrong with a bro.

01:19:30.000 Split is a bro.

01:19:31.000 There's nothing wrong.

01:19:32.000 Nothing wrong with it works.

01:19:33.000 Yeah, but i'm not doing legs, because my legs are already too big for my jeans.

01:19:37.000 What?

01:19:37.000 Yeah, get stretchy jeans I.

01:19:40.000 I have 30 pairs of jeans.

01:19:42.000 I don't need to get more jeans, point being my, but do you have regular jeans that are made out of cotton or do you get jeans that have flex in them?

01:19:48.000 I have 30 pairs, so it's a mix.

01:19:50.000 But point being, my legs are great.

01:19:52.000 I'm Russian.

01:19:53.000 Russians have great leg dna, so you don't work out your legs at all. 1.00

01:19:56.000 You're gonna get an imbalance.

01:19:57.000 How?

01:19:58.000 Also, if you work out your legs, your whole body will grow I I, that's true, and and you'll put up more pounds on the scale.

01:20:04.000 But, point being, i'm already, at the point, marginal with most of my jeans, and it's so.

01:20:09.000 They're not.

01:20:10.000 They're not skinny jeans.

01:20:11.000 Let me see your legs. 1.00

01:20:13.000 How am I going to show you my legs stand up.

01:20:15.000 Let me see your legs and your jeans. 1.00

01:20:18.000 Those are not too big.

01:20:19.000 That is ridiculous.

01:20:20.000 No no, no.

01:20:21.000 I don't need to be.

01:20:21.000 No hold on, I will.

01:20:25.000 I will send you a photo of my legs and you're gonna apologize.

01:20:27.000 My legs are great.

01:20:28.000 Okay, they're not chicken legs.

01:20:30.000 I believe you they don't look like chicken legs, but I don't think you should be concerned about them getting bigger.

01:20:34.000 First of all, it takes a lot to get your legs much larger.

01:20:38.000 It takes a lot like you're gonna have to really push past, like some severe discomfort.

01:20:43.000 I i'm not disputing that.

01:20:44.000 But point is, they're already marginal with my clothes and I think new clothes.

01:20:49.000 You've got money.

01:20:50.000 Listen, you gotta balance, you gotta keep your body balanced, like.

01:20:53.000 That's why you should do legs. 1.00

01:20:55.000 I mean, you should never just do upper body show.

01:20:57.000 I am nowhere at the point where my upper body is too big for my legs.

01:21:01.000 Well, it's not that you should condition both of them together.

01:21:04.000 Okay, it's like you want to have a body that works together.

01:21:07.000 My body is fine.

01:21:09.000 I'm not going to be body shamed on this show.

01:21:11.000 I'm not body shaming.

01:21:12.000 I'm talking about functional.

01:21:13.000 What function?

01:21:14.000 Going up the stairs, anything you have to do?

01:21:16.000 If you have to pick something up and move it, I can.

01:21:18.000 If you're not working your legs, then all that stuff in your hips, all that stuff, all the surrounding tissue, all that stuff is not getting the exercise it deserves while you're working out your upper body.

01:21:29.000 Fine point being, my legs are perfectly fine and okay, and it was hard for me to get the calories I need.

01:21:36.000 That's all i'm saying here.

01:21:38.000 So um, how many calories?

01:21:39.000 What are you trying to do?

01:21:40.000 A day I, I think it's like 3200 okay, which is not nothing.

01:21:44.000 That's a good meal for me.

01:21:46.000 That's a lot of calories yeah, I guess what do you mean?

01:21:50.000 You don't think that's a lot.

01:21:51.000 If you're eating clean, 3200 is a lot okay, Yeah, I guess.

01:21:56.000 Yeah.

01:21:57.000 So 3,200 calories.

01:21:58.000 So, but you're trying to stay lean.

01:22:01.000 And are you on testosterone replacement or anything like that?

01:22:05.000 I don't know what you're talking about.

01:22:06.000 Okay, you are.

01:22:07.000 Good.

01:22:08.000 That's good.

01:22:09.000 Peptides?

01:22:10.000 Any peptides?

01:22:11.000 You know what I tried?

01:22:13.000 Okay, good.

01:22:14.000 I tried glow.

01:22:15.000 What's glow?

01:22:17.000 Oh, well, well, well, Mr. Doesn't Skip Leg Day.

01:22:21.000 He doesn't have polka dots on his face.

01:22:24.000 Someone does.

01:22:25.000 You call yourself a bro and you don't have polka dots on your face.

01:22:29.000 Glow is this new peptide.

01:22:32.000 It's a combination of three things, and it's called glow because it has heavy copper, so it's blue.

01:22:38.000 Glow, huh?

01:22:40.000 You're welcome.

01:22:43.000 Interesting.

01:22:43.000 Most people combine PPC 157, TB500, and GHKCU without addressing sequencing or inflammation first.

01:22:52.000 Here's what determines whether glow truly works.

01:22:56.000 Interesting.

01:22:57.000 Oh, okay.

01:22:58.000 So it's a combination of all those things together.

01:23:01.000 Interesting.

01:23:02.000 Because I pulled my shoulder pretty bad.

01:23:04.000 With your heavy lifting?

01:23:07.000 It's just probably, I don't know what happened.

01:23:07.000 I don't think it was heavy.

01:23:09.000 You don't lift heavy?

01:23:10.000 I lift somewhat heavy, but not enough.

01:23:12.000 I'm not going to lift heavy enough to provoke injury.

01:23:15.000 I think that's kind of foolish, especially at my age.

01:23:15.000 Okay.

01:23:18.000 It is, but if you want to gain weight.

01:23:19.000 But I'm gaining weight.

01:23:20.000 What kind of, you're not doing benching or anything, are you?

01:23:23.000 You do bench press?

01:23:24.000 Why wouldn't I do bench press?

01:23:25.000 Why wouldn't you?

01:23:26.000 Because it's terrible for your shoulders.

01:23:26.000 Yeah.

01:23:27.000 Well, I do dumbbell bench.

01:23:30.000 That's slightly better for your shoulders.

01:23:32.000 But that activity of having a lot of weight down here.

01:23:32.000 Okay.

01:23:35.000 I'm only putting up 70s.

01:23:36.000 That's not that much.

01:23:37.000 It's a lot for you.

01:23:38.000 Okay.

01:23:39.000 All that weight back here, when you're right here, it puts tremendous strain.

01:23:43.000 So what should I do for Pecs? 0.92

01:23:45.000 You could do dips.

01:23:46.000 Dips are fantastic for it. 0.99

01:23:49.000 You know, don't go past 90 degrees.

01:23:51.000 You can, once you condition your shoulders to be able to do it.

01:23:55.000 But dips are good.

01:23:55.000 Weighted dips are really good.

01:23:58.000 There's stuff that you could do.

01:23:59.000 Like just kettlebells.

01:24:01.000 I don't do any chest exercises other than dips.

01:24:04.000 Really?

01:24:04.000 Yeah.

01:24:05.000 I do a lot of kettlebells.

01:24:06.000 Most of my exercises are full body motion stuff.

01:24:10.000 Yeah, almost everything.

01:24:11.000 I do a lot of snatches, a lot of cleans, a lot of alternating cleans, a lot of renegade rows.

01:24:20.000 Everything I do is kettlebells.

01:24:21.000 All I do is I know someone who really knows this stuff and I follow orders.

01:24:27.000 That's good too.

01:24:28.000 That's good too.

01:24:29.000 My concern is always functional movement.

01:24:31.000 My concern is always I want my body to work as one unit.

01:24:34.000 I don't like isolating things.

01:24:36.000 I think I do a lot of compounds, like incline dumbbell, incline bench is one example.

01:24:41.000 Or I don't even remember what the other kind of stuff.

01:24:44.000 But if you have shoulder problems and you're benching, there's a lot of people I know that just have completely eliminated benching for.

01:24:50.000 Is that right?

01:24:50.000 Okay.

01:24:51.000 Especially heavy benching.

01:24:52.000 It only resolved this week, thank God.

01:24:54.000 But you know what?

01:24:55.000 It won't, like, if you're doing kettlebells, that's the weird thing about kettlebells.

01:25:00.000 It increases the strength of all your activities.

01:25:02.000 I found that people that do snatches, it increased their VO2 max and it increased their ability to do chin-ups.

01:25:09.000 I did used to do kettlebells.

01:25:11.000 I had it one of the lifts in my workout, and I pulled out my back once something so fierce, it was temporary, like almost like a cramp, but it was very, very scary.

01:25:20.000 Do you remember what the exercise was?

01:25:22.000 Yeah, I was doing the when you're bending over and you swing it over your head.

01:25:24.000 Snatch.

01:25:25.000 Yeah.

01:25:26.000 Well, the key to that is warm-ups.

01:25:28.000 Do you warm up a lot?

01:25:29.000 No.

01:25:30.000 No, I do warm-ups with the weights.

01:25:31.000 Like my first set will be 40% of my working set.

01:25:35.000 What I would recommend is you got to, especially as you get older, you really have to warm your body up.

01:25:40.000 And one of the things that I do is I always do 10 minutes on the air dyne bike, get everything like slightly sweaty, then I do a lot of jump rope.

01:25:48.000 I get everything fired up, and then I do a lot of mobility exercises.

01:25:53.000 I do like body twists.

01:25:54.000 I do these things like you wave, I get down to the bottom and I wave all the way up, but I bend backwards and I go forward.

01:26:01.000 I do a lot of twists.

01:26:02.000 I get everything loose.

01:26:04.000 And then I start with push-ups and bodyweight squats.

01:26:07.000 I do 100 push-ups, 100 bodyweight squats, and that's my warm-up.

01:26:10.000 So all that stuff, by the time I'm done with all that stuff, now everything's warm.

01:26:15.000 And now I can start working.

01:26:16.000 How many days a week do you lift or work out?

01:26:18.000 Well, I work out almost every day.

01:26:19.000 Oh, okay.

01:26:20.000 Occasionally I'll take a day off, but I work out almost every day.

01:26:23.000 And then with lifting, it's almost every day.

01:26:26.000 It depends on what I'm doing.

01:26:27.000 If I'm hitting the bag, generally, I don't lift weights the days I hit the bag.

01:26:32.000 So that's like maybe two or three days a week.

01:26:35.000 So the other two days a week, I alternate between stuff like body weight stuff, like pull-ups, chin-ups, dips.

01:26:44.000 I do L pull-ups where you stick your legs out straight.

01:26:50.000 So you're working your abs at the same time you're doing that.

01:26:53.000 I do a bunch of different things, lower back stuff, a lot of back extensions, reverse hyper stuff, sit-ups on that GHB machine where you're going all the way down.

01:27:06.000 Yeah.

01:27:07.000 I'm just happy with the results.

01:27:09.000 And I'm of the if it ain't broke, don't fix it mindset.

01:27:12.000 That's good.

01:27:13.000 Well, as long as you're happy with the results, I would just avoid a lot of heavy lifting with bench press.

01:27:13.000 Yeah.

01:27:19.000 I think bench press is so many people I know that have fucked their shoulders up, fucked their shoulders up through bench press.

01:27:25.000 And I know a lot of bros are going to get angry.

01:27:27.000 I know.

01:27:27.000 That's what I'm waiting for.

01:27:28.000 It's like, oh, my God, you bench, bro.

01:27:31.000 But here's the thing: like, we did the Sober October thing where, you know, we had these stupid fitness challenges.

01:27:38.000 And then after Sober October is over, we all got drunk.

01:27:41.000 And so then we went out to my gym and Ari, Tom, and Bert were all trying to bench 225.

01:27:50.000 And I don't bench at all.

01:27:51.000 And I did it 13 times.

01:27:53.000 Like, I don't bench.

01:27:54.000 And I just.

01:27:55.000 Ari could pull up two plates? 1.00

01:27:56.000 No, he couldn't.

01:27:57.000 No, they all got pinned.

01:27:57.000 Okay, that was.

01:27:58.000 Yeah, 225 is no joke.

01:28:00.000 Yeah.

01:28:00.000 Bert can do it now, but back then he was lifting.

01:28:04.000 You can't casually do two plates.

01:28:06.000 Yeah.

01:28:06.000 No one can.

01:28:07.000 Yeah, but I did without ever benching.

01:28:09.000 No, but I mean, like, you're someone who works out or damns.

01:28:09.000 I know.

01:28:11.000 Like if you're not casual, you're going to get crushed.

01:28:11.000 Right.

01:28:13.000 They all got crushed.

01:28:14.000 Wait, they thought they could do it?

01:28:14.000 Yeah, of course.

01:28:16.000 Bert did.

01:28:17.000 Bert definitely.

01:28:18.000 How much does Bert weigh?

01:28:18.000 Bert's heavy, right?

01:28:19.000 He's like 250.

01:28:20.000 Bert's like 250.

01:28:21.000 Right, for sure.

01:28:22.000 Tom was bigger at the time, too.

01:28:24.000 Okay, I mean, it must have just collapsed.

01:28:26.000 There was no problem.

01:28:27.000 Yeah, they got crushed.

01:28:29.000 But the point is, it's like doing kettlebells will help all those sorts of things.

01:28:33.000 Of course.

01:28:34.000 Because it just, your whole body gets strong, and it's not an unusual motion to do that.

01:28:40.000 You know, you could do it.

01:28:42.000 Yeah, I just, I like the weights.

01:28:45.000 Duh, weights are great.

01:28:47.000 There's nothing wrong with weights.

01:28:48.000 I just would be careful about benching.

01:28:50.000 I think dumbbell benching is probably better than barbell benching.

01:28:50.000 Even dumb.

01:28:54.000 And I just think there's other ways to work your chest.

01:28:57.000 Okay.

01:28:58.000 I'll talk to Monster Russ.

01:29:00.000 That's my guy.

01:29:01.000 And there's a lot of people that don't even agree with dips.

01:29:03.000 Like my orthopedic surgeon that told me that I need to get my shoulder operated on 15 years ago, and I never did.

01:29:11.000 He was like, got to stop doing dips.

01:29:12.000 I go, why?

01:29:13.000 Really?

01:29:13.000 He goes, everybody I know that fucked their shoulder up did it through dips.

01:29:16.000 I go, well, that doesn't mean anything.

01:29:17.000 Right.

01:29:18.000 But I'm looking at him.

01:29:20.000 I'm looking at him and his body.

01:29:21.000 I'm like, look at your, shut the fuck up. 0.74

01:29:23.000 And look at all these gymnasts.

01:29:24.000 They do dips 24 seconds.

01:29:26.000 Exactly.

01:29:27.000 Just build up to it.

01:29:28.000 Don't do too much.

01:29:29.000 All of it is like overworking your body.

01:29:32.000 You have to like slow progression is the key.

01:29:35.000 There is something fun about it.

01:29:36.000 I do love doing dips because you feel like you're flying.

01:29:39.000 There's something about it when you're just out.

01:29:41.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:29:42.000 What can I say?

01:29:43.000 But that's a great chest exercise.

01:29:46.000 Dips are. 0.86

01:29:46.000 Yeah. 0.86

01:29:47.000 Along with the push-ups, you do 100 push-ups a day and then do dips.

01:29:51.000 But you're the okay.

01:29:52.000 We could talk about this also.

01:29:53.000 You're the one.

01:29:54.000 Can I tell you what you said to me at the mothership about this?

01:29:57.000 What did I say?

01:29:58.000 You said you can't be jacked and be funny.

01:30:01.000 Well, you can, but you can't show it.

01:30:03.000 I meant like you, you like at a certain point, you're too jacked.

01:30:08.000 There's a cost.

01:30:09.000 Well, there's definitely a cost to the way you look.

01:30:12.000 Like, you look intimidating, and that's not that funny for people.

01:30:15.000 Yeah.

01:30:15.000 Right.

01:30:16.000 And Roseanne was telling me, or just when she was starting out, she lost all this weight and people stopped laughing.

01:30:21.000 Ah, there's plenty of skinny, funny women. 1.00

01:30:24.000 Not in 1981.

01:30:27.000 Are you calling Roseanne Barr a liar?

01:30:29.000 No, I just don't think that's what it was.

01:30:31.000 I've seen people lose weight and still be hilarious.

01:30:34.000 It's just like there is a mentality that people have.

01:30:37.000 Like Kevin James, his fucking agent said this to him once.

01:30:39.000 I got furious.

01:30:40.000 Kevin was losing weight.

01:30:41.000 He was trying to get in shape.

01:30:42.000 He was really self-conscious about his weight.

01:30:44.000 And his agent said, Kevin, when you lose weight, you're losing roles.

01:30:49.000 But that's true, though, because he's very much a specific character.

01:30:53.000 So he could fucking do anything.

01:30:54.000 He's a talented guy.

01:30:56.000 It's not like if he lost the weight, he wouldn't be funny anymore.

01:30:59.000 That dude's fucking funny.

01:31:00.000 Hold on, hold on.

01:31:01.000 I'm not disrespecting Kevin James in any way.

01:31:04.000 Mad respect for him.

01:31:06.000 Ball cop, the greatest comedy of all time.

01:31:08.000 It's a funny movie.

01:31:09.000 I believe you.

01:31:10.000 I haven't seen it.

01:31:11.000 Point being, he is very much in people's mind a certain specific thing.

01:31:15.000 Right.

01:31:16.000 Right.

01:31:16.000 So if Kevin James stopped being that thing, I think it's going to be a lot hard for a lot of normies to come over with him to a different paradigm.

01:31:25.000 That's all I'm saying.

01:31:26.000 Perfect.

01:31:27.000 It would be a challenge, but I think he'd still be hilarious.

01:31:27.000 Come on.

01:31:30.000 I do not think that he is limited by his weight.

01:31:34.000 If Will Farrell got like Hugh Jackman, do you think he'd have the same roles?

01:31:34.000 You don't, okay.

01:31:40.000 He wouldn't necessarily have the same roles.

01:31:42.000 He would still be very funny.

01:31:43.000 Yes, he would, but you know perfectly well that there's lots of people.

01:31:46.000 It would be weird because he would be super jacked.

01:31:49.000 Like if he got the rock jacked, it would be weird.

01:31:52.000 People don't know how to deal with that stuff.

01:31:55.000 So the agent's not wrong.

01:31:57.000 Well, the agent's still not looking out for Kevin's health.

01:32:00.000 How big was he that big?

01:32:01.000 He was big.

01:32:02.000 He was big and he didn't like it and he was worried.

01:32:04.000 Yeah, okay, that's very fair.

01:32:05.000 Yeah.

01:32:06.000 But you don't have to go from, you could go slim or you don't have to go to like, you know, running peptides and stuff.

01:32:13.000 Right.

01:32:13.000 You don't have to get jacked.

01:32:15.000 Yeah.

01:32:15.000 But maybe he wants to.

01:32:16.000 You can.

01:32:17.000 It could be done.

01:32:19.000 I mean, what's that guy who claims he's natty, that Indian guy who was in, I think, The Avengers or something?

01:32:26.000 Oh, Camille?

01:32:27.000 Yeah.

01:32:28.000 Was it him?

01:32:29.000 I don't think he claims he's natty.

01:32:31.000 Does he?

01:32:32.000 They do special.

01:32:33.000 It's special exercises, Joe.

01:32:36.000 Come on.

01:32:37.000 He doesn't even claim he's on testosterone replacement.

01:32:40.000 Don't you know that if you just do lateral races.

01:32:44.000 Yeah, he claims natty.

01:32:45.000 He has to.

01:32:46.000 They all have to.

01:32:47.000 I don't know if that's real.

01:32:49.000 Look him up.

01:32:49.000 Yes, it does.

01:32:50.000 He did a very funny bit about people being angry at him for getting in shape.

01:32:54.000 Oh, okay.

01:32:55.000 He did a funny bit in his stand-up, his recent stand-up special about that.

01:32:59.000 Does he claim that he's natural?

01:33:02.000 That's so weird.

01:33:03.000 The one I'm thinking of is in a stand-up, the one from the movies.

01:33:05.000 Yeah, he's a stand-up.

01:33:06.000 He started out as a stand-up.

01:33:07.000 Oh, good for him.

01:33:08.000 Camille Nanjiani.

01:33:09.000 Yeah, he started out as a stand-up.

01:33:09.000 Yeah.

01:33:12.000 And he's doing stand-up again, and he just released a special.

01:33:12.000 Yeah.

01:33:14.000 What's his name claims natty too?

01:33:16.000 The Thor.

01:33:17.000 They all do.

01:33:17.000 No, that guy claims daddy.

01:33:21.000 They have to.

01:33:21.000 Chris Hemsworth?

01:33:23.000 I think he does.

01:33:23.000 Get the fuck out of here.

01:33:25.000 That guy gained like 60 pounds of solid muscle.

01:33:27.000 Well, that's because he's doing lateral raises, you fool.

01:33:29.000 Oh, I didn't know.

01:33:31.000 How do you know?

01:33:31.000 You've never seen him put a needle in his ass.

01:33:34.000 He has personal trainers that teach him second exercises.

01:33:37.000 You're right.

01:33:38.000 I've been on testosterone replacement for a long time, and I highly recommend it to anybody who wants to stay in shape.

01:33:42.000 How long have you been on it?

01:33:43.000 Since I was like almost 40.

01:33:45.000 I started with like the cream, and then, well, I noticed my, I was, you know, I was training a lot.

01:33:53.000 That was back then.

01:33:54.000 I was doing jiu-jitsu four or five days a week, and I was lifting.

01:33:56.000 That's hard on the body.

01:33:57.000 It is hard.

01:33:58.000 Yeah, of course.

01:33:59.000 And you're always tired.

01:34:00.000 And, you know, I had a doctor that specialized in that stuff.

01:34:04.000 It's one of those things was hormone replacement therapy and doing a lot of it for people that had had head injuries.

01:34:10.000 Because people with head injuries, people that have had CTE and a lot of like you have damage to your pituitary gland.

01:34:17.000 A lot of times your brain is not producing testosterone at the level it's supposed to be.

01:34:21.000 Oh, is that right?

01:34:22.000 Yeah, your pituitary gland gets damaged from repeated head trauma.

01:34:26.000 That's one of the things that causes depression in a lot of people that have had head trauma.

01:34:30.000 It's like your body's not making hormones anymore.

01:34:32.000 So you're just like, you're fucking lethargic all the time.

01:34:34.000 That's a factor.

01:34:36.000 He described a year-long process with professional trainers, nutritionists funded by Marvel, daily workouts, precise calorie tracking, no refined sugar, and minimum fats.

01:34:36.000 His statements.

01:34:46.000 In his 2019 Instagram post, he emphasized the resources required, but never mentioned PEDs, steroids, or denied their use.

01:34:55.000 So he never denied it.

01:34:56.000 Okay, he didn't deny it.

01:34:57.000 So, okay, I take it back.

01:34:58.000 I apologize.

01:34:59.000 Yeah.

01:34:59.000 From a softer build at age 41, for fucking sure, he got on testosterone.

01:35:05.000 There was a lot of people that were giving me shit about being on testosterone 15 years ago that are on it now.

01:35:10.000 Yeah, no disrespect to him.

01:35:12.000 Well, there's nothing wrong with it.

01:35:13.000 I just said I do it.

01:35:14.000 No, that's the point.

01:35:15.000 No, but at the surface.

01:35:16.000 It's just really funny.

01:35:17.000 People are yelling at him, oh, you're cheating.

01:35:19.000 It's like cheating for what?

01:35:20.000 Where's the test?

01:35:21.000 People are silly.

01:35:22.000 People are silly.

01:35:23.000 And they're just mad that he looks, he didn't look like he looked like them.

01:35:27.000 He was doughy.

01:35:28.000 And now all of a sudden he looks like a bro and they don't like it.

01:35:30.000 Yeah, but the thing that's kind of crazy is now the kids in high school are hopping off.

01:35:34.000 That's crazy because you're going to destroy your endocrine system.

01:35:37.000 And also if you're peaking at 18, that's not going to be good for your mental health.

01:35:40.000 Well, it's not just that.

01:35:41.000 It's just like it kills your dick.

01:35:43.000 It kills your when you put a bunch of exogenous testosterone in your body, your body stops making testosterone.

01:35:49.000 And so say if you're on a cycle for like a month, two months, it will take you four months for your body to get back to normal.

01:35:56.000 It takes, I think that's the ratio most people, if you're not taking like clomaphene or any of these other things or HCG or something that naturally ramps up your testosterone, I think they think that the number is like double the time that you are in a cycle.

01:36:11.000 It's also harder and harder.

01:36:12.000 If you keep running cycles, it gets harder and harder.

01:36:14.000 100% because your body starts relying on it and your endocrine system shuts down.

01:36:19.000 And it's like, why do we have to make testosterone?

01:36:21.000 This guy's got more than a normal human ever has.

01:36:24.000 And so we just stop.

01:36:25.000 And I think these numbers are through the roof with the kids now.

01:36:27.000 Well, they all want to be like an influencer.

01:36:29.000 They all want to be jacked.

01:36:31.000 You know, it's just like you don't understand the harm you're doing to your body.

01:36:34.000 But it's also the kind of thing where it's just like you shouldn't be comparing yourself to the guy on Instagram or the gym.

01:36:41.000 Compare yourself to the guy on the plane.

01:36:43.000 Next time you're at an airport.

01:36:44.000 That's what I do.

01:36:45.000 That's what kind of helped me.

01:36:46.000 When I get on a flight, I'm like, how many of these people, especially my age, are in good shape?

01:36:50.000 It's going to be one out of 100.

01:36:51.000 Well, the other thing is, there's, especially when you're young, there's plenty of stuff that you can do that's natural and super beneficial and not dangerous, like creatine.

01:37:01.000 But creatine is tremendous.

01:37:03.000 But you're not going to be a name.

01:37:05.000 No one's going to notice you on Instagram.

01:37:07.000 That's the thing.

01:37:08.000 They're chasing the fame.

01:37:09.000 Oh, that's so sad.

01:37:11.000 It's very sad.

01:37:12.000 It's very, I mean, some of these guys look better than Schwarzenegger and they're 17.

01:37:16.000 It's insane.

01:37:17.000 But it's just like, what's your future going to?

01:37:19.000 Well, you're not going to have kids, right?

01:37:21.000 You're going to be sterile.

01:37:22.000 You're not going to have any sperm. 0.99

01:37:24.000 But, you know, there was that thing about they asked Olympians, would you give up like 20 years of your life?

01:37:31.000 You're guaranteed a gold.

01:37:32.000 And like 90% of them said yes.

01:37:33.000 Yeah.

01:37:34.000 I know.

01:37:34.000 Well, look at Lindsay Vaughan.

01:37:35.000 I mean, she knew that she had a blown ACL and she still skied. 0.99

01:37:39.000 Is that right?

01:37:39.000 Yeah.

01:37:40.000 She blew her ACL out like a couple of weeks before the Olympics and still decided to compete and then shattered her leg with this horrible compound fracture.

01:37:50.000 Oh my God.

01:37:51.000 Oh, you didn't know about that?

01:37:52.000 Oh, yeah, she had to get airlifted.

01:37:54.000 She's had multiple surgeries.

01:37:56.000 She's fucked for a long time.

01:37:57.000 Her leg broke in multiple places.

01:37:59.000 She's got rods and stuff in it. 0.99

01:38:01.000 And leg breaks are really scary because your body doesn't necessarily always heal from those.

01:38:08.000 Like sometimes the blood flow is not appropriate.

01:38:11.000 It's not what you need.

01:38:12.000 And people get their legs amputated from those things.

01:38:15.000 Jesus.

01:38:16.000 Yeah, femur breaks are super dangerous.

01:38:18.000 I've never broken a bone.

01:38:21.000 I know, right?

01:38:21.000 Ever?

01:38:22.000 That's crazy.

01:38:23.000 Yeah.

01:38:23.000 Nothing?

01:38:24.000 Part of me is like, is this something I want to try before I die?

01:38:27.000 No, it sucks.

01:38:28.000 But sucks.

01:38:28.000 Does it?

01:38:29.000 How bad is that?

01:38:30.000 Well, I broke my arm when I was seven.

01:38:33.000 I broke my forearm right here.

01:38:35.000 I fell off a monkey bar and snapped my forearm in half.

01:38:38.000 That healed perfect.

01:38:39.000 But when you're a kid, they just put me in a cast and like six weeks later, I was good to go.

01:38:43.000 I broke my fibula, the small bone of my tibia in sparring.

01:38:50.000 A friend of mine threw a back kick at the same time.

01:38:53.000 I was throwing a kick and his heel hit my fibula and cracked that. 0.99

01:38:57.000 But that was only a crack.

01:38:59.000 I actually competed with that.

01:39:00.000 I put soccer pads on it, those plastic soccer.

01:39:04.000 I taped soccer instep pads.

01:39:06.000 That was that part of my, I didn't tell anybody.

01:39:09.000 Oh, okay.

01:39:09.000 Because it was a Taekwondo tournament.

01:39:11.000 So I had pants on.

01:39:12.000 Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah.

01:39:13.000 And so I put like a regular soccer pads.

01:39:17.000 I taped them to my calf, and then I put the foam one on over that, and I competed.

01:39:24.000 Huh, okay.

01:39:25.000 I won the States that way.

01:39:27.000 Okay, great.

01:39:28.000 Were you a national champion?

01:39:29.000 I won American Open, and I came in second place in the U.S. Cup against the national champion, and I think I should have beat him.

01:39:36.000 I got a bad decision.

01:39:38.000 But I never won the national championships.

01:39:40.000 But at the time that I was getting ready to try to win the national championships in 88, the problem was I had already been disillusioned because I had started kickboxing.

01:39:49.000 Okay.

01:39:50.000 And I'd already started realizing there's a lot of holes in Taekwondo.

01:39:53.000 Well, Taekwondo is like, with the rise of UFC, it's really not good.

01:39:57.000 Well, it is if you know all the other stuff.

01:39:59.000 Right, right.

01:40:00.000 Those in and itself are devastating.

01:40:02.000 They're devastating.

01:40:02.000 Right.

01:40:03.000 And a guy who's a really good kicker, like a Michael Venom Page, for instance, who's a karate specialist who learned how to defend takedowns, they're really dangerous because they have the ability to cover distance and kick at range.

01:40:15.000 And if you're not a good kicker and you don't recognize what this guy's doing, they could fuck you up.

01:40:20.000 But there was so many holes in Taekwondo when it came to punching to the face and then leg kicks.

01:40:25.000 I didn't realize how many holes there were in it until I started really getting into kickboxing.

01:40:30.000 So I was, by the time 88 rolled around, I was already disillusioned.

01:40:34.000 Okay.

01:40:35.000 Yeah.

01:40:36.000 And then I was already starting to do stand-up.

01:40:37.000 So I was like, what am I doing with my life?

01:40:40.000 Oh, I got a bone to pick with you.

01:40:41.000 Ooh.

01:40:42.000 I'm excited.

01:40:43.000 Oh, you set me up perfectly.

01:40:45.000 You set me up perfectly.

01:40:47.000 Thank you, Joe Rogan.

01:40:48.000 Bridget Fettie sat in this very chair.

01:40:51.000 Right.

01:40:52.000 The chair I'm farting in right now because I had some vintage Olean chips for today.

01:40:58.000 And this chair is going to be a disaster.

01:41:00.000 That's a Trump chair.

01:41:01.000 I know.

01:41:03.000 And she told you that I'm starting to do stand-up.

01:41:07.000 And you said, that's great.

01:41:08.000 He's so funny.

01:41:09.000 You can open for me.

01:41:11.000 And then I was all excited about this opportunity.

01:41:13.000 And I wait a few weeks because I was scared to like whatever.

01:41:16.000 And you text me about some meme.

01:41:18.000 And I go.

01:41:18.000 First of all, I don't think I said you could open for me.

01:41:20.000 I highly doubt I said that.

01:41:22.000 You did, but that's fine.

01:41:23.000 I'm not holding you to it.

01:41:23.000 I'm just saying you said that.

01:41:24.000 That's fine.

01:41:26.000 Maybe I was joking.

01:41:27.000 I'm not holding you to it.

01:41:28.000 You were just encouraging.

01:41:29.000 Okay.

01:41:29.000 Let's just leave it there.

01:41:30.000 I think you're very funny.

01:41:31.000 Okay.

01:41:32.000 You text me about some meme.

01:41:33.000 I go, hey, I'm going to do stand-up.

01:41:35.000 You go, you absolutely should.

01:41:36.000 I go, I have my set.

01:41:36.000 You're very funny.

01:41:38.000 What should I do next?

01:41:39.000 What?

01:41:39.000 Do you know what you said?

01:41:40.000 Nothing.

01:41:41.000 You left me unread?

01:41:41.000 Yeah.

01:41:42.000 You're on your own, bitch. 1.00

01:41:43.000 What do you mean?

01:41:44.000 Because you got to figure it out.

01:41:45.000 It's like, you know, I want to start fighting.

01:41:47.000 What should I do?

01:41:49.000 I go to the fucking gym.

01:41:49.000 You know what to do.

01:41:51.000 Figure it out.

01:41:52.000 Start training.

01:41:53.000 You can't hold anybody's hand.

01:41:54.000 Stand-up is too hard for you to help someone in the beginning.

01:41:58.000 You've got to actually want to do it.

01:41:59.000 Sure.

01:42:00.000 So you've got to go to open mics.

01:42:01.000 You got to do stand-up.

01:42:02.000 You got to get ready, put a set together, record it, review it.

01:42:05.000 Done.

01:42:05.000 Okay.

01:42:06.000 Yeah.

01:42:06.000 So you're doing stand-up all the time.

01:42:08.000 You're saying I should do it all the time?

01:42:08.000 Not all.

01:42:09.000 You have to do it all the time.

01:42:11.000 It's like if you want to spar, you have to spar every week.

01:42:14.000 Do you know what everyone told me who I asked?

01:42:16.000 Like, I asked like 10 biggish people who had names, and they all said the same thing.

01:42:20.000 You have to bomb.

01:42:22.000 Yeah.

01:42:23.000 Well, bombing is good because it lets you realize how difficult it is, and then you don't like the feeling and you work really hard.

01:42:28.000 And also, you know, you have to be ready for that moment and how to recover from it.

01:42:32.000 Failure.

01:42:32.000 Yeah.

01:42:33.000 Failure, I think, in everything is good.

01:42:35.000 Losing is important.

01:42:37.000 It's very important.

01:42:38.000 It motivates you to do better.

01:42:40.000 You know, people don't like that feeling, but a lot of uncomfortable feelings lead to growth.

01:42:45.000 And that's why they're important.

01:42:46.000 That's true.

01:42:47.000 Heartbreak, losing a job, getting fired.

01:42:50.000 All those things are important.

01:42:52.000 Okay.

01:42:52.000 Well.

01:42:53.000 Stand-up's important to it's important to have like bad sets.

01:42:53.000 Yeah.

01:42:57.000 Oh, I think you said bad sex.

01:42:58.000 Bad sets.

01:42:59.000 Yes.

01:43:00.000 So when was the last time you went up?

01:43:01.000 I haven't done it for a while because I didn't know what to do.

01:43:04.000 Yeah, you got to do it a lot.

01:43:05.000 It's got to be something that you're dedicated to.

01:43:07.000 That's why I'm saying you can't just say that.

01:43:10.000 How do I do?

01:43:10.000 Okay, that's fair.

01:43:12.000 That's very fair.

01:43:12.000 I've been talking to Callan.

01:43:13.000 He's been very helpful.

01:43:15.000 Yeah, just there's plenty of places we could perform.

01:43:18.000 I mean, Austin alone, on my street alone on 6th Street, is there's like within a one-block radius is like seven clubs.

01:43:25.000 I'm not arguing that.

01:43:26.000 I mean, this is the place.

01:43:27.000 If you want to do stand-up, this is the fucking place, man.

01:43:29.000 I mean, it's incredible right now.

01:43:31.000 Okay, fair enough.

01:43:32.000 I mean, my club alone has two nights of open mic nights.

01:43:35.000 Is that true?

01:43:36.000 Sunday and Monday night are both open mic nights.

01:43:38.000 Okay, then I'm going to sign up.

01:43:39.000 Yeah, we have a real development program.

01:43:41.000 The whole idea is like to make it so that we have like a real foundation of people that are coming up.

01:43:46.000 And that motivates all the people that are already doing well.

01:43:49.000 It's like, oh, these guys are really working hard, and it gets everybody excited about working hard.

01:43:53.000 And then it motivates the people at the top saying, hey, these young guys are really good.

01:43:57.000 And then guys start getting specials.

01:43:59.000 And like Cam Patterson just got an SNL.

01:44:02.000 All these things are happening for people from the club.

01:44:04.000 So it's like, it's a great place.

01:44:06.000 Okay.

01:44:07.000 That's very fair.

01:44:07.000 No, that's fine.

01:44:08.000 Yeah, but it's not something that you can kind of casually do every now and again.

01:44:12.000 You can, but you won't be as good as you will be if you do it every week.

01:44:17.000 Callan said that as well.

01:44:18.000 He's like, you have to put in the time.

01:44:19.000 This is not something that you could do just on weekends.

01:44:23.000 Yeah, you can't like run around your block once a month and think you can go do a marathon.

01:44:29.000 Yeah.

01:44:29.000 Right.

01:44:30.000 You got to get into it.

01:44:31.000 And you got to, the thing about stand-up is like you're making a mountain one layer of paint at a time.

01:44:40.000 It's not a quick process.

01:44:41.000 To become a stand-up, most people agree.

01:44:44.000 And it's not a hard, fast rule because it's depending upon how much actual time you do and how much focus.

01:44:51.000 The general rule is 10 years.

01:44:53.000 Really?

01:44:54.000 Yeah.

01:44:54.000 The general rule is 10 years.

01:44:55.000 Like people don't really think of you as being legit until you've been in it for 10 years.

01:45:00.000 I don't know that I have 10 years.

01:45:02.000 I don't know if anybody has 10 years.

01:45:04.000 I don't know if the human race has 10 years.

01:45:07.000 You see those robots in China that are doing fucking kung fu?

01:45:10.000 Oh my God.

01:45:10.000 Are they already?

01:45:11.000 They just did this demonstration, this martial arts demonstration with these robots on a stage.

01:45:16.000 It's crazy how fucking how they move.

01:45:19.000 I'm more worried about if anyone can use AI to engineer a bioweapon.

01:45:25.000 Yeah, that's real.

01:45:25.000 Oh, that.

01:45:26.000 Because there was a piece, a guy, I forget his name, I apologize, where he's one of these big AI people.

01:45:32.000 And he goes, if you use the paid for AI, he goes, I can tell it to write me code.

01:45:37.000 And it also knows idiosyncratic preferences.

01:45:41.000 So it's better than hiring a person.

01:45:43.000 And that's today.

01:45:44.000 So what's going to happen in two years, three years?

01:45:47.000 Like, how do you put guardrails on that?

01:45:49.000 I don't think you can.

01:45:50.000 I don't think you can.

01:45:51.000 And there's a lot of people that are resigning from a lot of these companies that are saying we're doomed.

01:45:56.000 Yeah.

01:45:57.000 I'm not a doom and gloom kind of guy, but that I think is a much faster path toward something happening than come through robots.

01:45:57.000 Yeah.

01:46:08.000 Well, there's also automated rep weapons, weapon systems that are totally autonomous.

01:46:13.000 That's yes, the government's working on that.

01:46:17.000 And I believe there was an issue, see if you can find this, with one of the AI companies not willing to partner with the US or not willing to do something with autonomous weapons programs.

01:46:30.000 I think it's Anthropic.

01:46:33.000 Oh, wow.

01:46:33.000 Yeah, I think Anthropic was like, we don't think that's good.

01:46:38.000 And all the other ones are like, let's go.

01:46:40.000 Yeah.

01:46:40.000 Holy shit.

01:46:41.000 Well, the thing is, is China doing that?

01:46:41.000 Yeah.

01:46:44.000 They probably are.

01:46:44.000 Anthropic is clashing with the Pentagon over AI use.

01:46:47.000 Here's what each side wants.

01:46:49.000 Anthropic's relationship with the Department of Defense is under review as the two sides negotiate over how the company's AI models can be used.

01:46:59.000 Startup wants assurance that its models will not be used for autonomous weapons or mass surveillance.

01:47:05.000 Oh my God, these pop-ups are brutal.

01:47:08.000 Fuck you, CNBC.

01:47:10.000 The DOD wants to use Anthropic models for all lawful use cases without limitation, according to Emil Michael, the Under Secretary of War for Research and Engineering.

01:47:25.000 Holy crap.

01:47:26.000 Yeah.

01:47:27.000 So this is what they're doing.

01:47:28.000 So which is worse, autonomous weapons or mass surveillance?

01:47:31.000 I think it's mass surveillance though.

01:47:32.000 Both of them are terrible.

01:47:33.000 Yeah, which is worse, though.

01:47:34.000 Because they work hand in glove.

01:47:35.000 Both of them are terrible.

01:47:37.000 I mean, did you see Alex Karp that interview that he did?

01:47:42.000 Which one?

01:47:43.000 Where he was talking about Palantir, and he's like, we're going to, you know, and occasionally kill people.

01:47:47.000 We're going to use it to kill people.

01:47:48.000 Yeah.

01:47:49.000 That's what he said.

01:47:50.000 Right.

01:47:51.000 But he was like openly saying, kill people.

01:47:54.000 Like, this is what we're doing.

01:47:55.000 Like, what?

01:47:57.000 But did you see that big leak from Palantir, which I don't know if it's been verified or not, where they were talking, Kim.com was the one who dropped this.

01:48:08.000 Yes.

01:48:09.000 I did see that Kim.com tweeted about it, but I didn't see if it was verified.

01:48:13.000 What did he say exactly?

01:48:14.000 Jay, if you could pull it, it was a long, it was a long, long thing.

01:48:18.000 And it was very, because he said Palantir got hacked.

01:48:20.000 He said he doesn't have, I don't think it was verified that this was legitimate, but these were the bullet points he laid out, and it was extremely disturbing.

01:48:29.000 It's not surprising that a private company is going to be more effective and efficient than the government at implementing what the government wants.

01:48:35.000 A lot of the things during COVID wasn't literally the government.

01:48:37.000 These corporations are more than happy to impose these kinds of, you know, don't if you don't get the vaccine, so-called, you're going to get fired.

01:48:43.000 Well, they were all having backdoor deals.

01:48:45.000 Exactly, but they were more than happy to do it.

01:48:47.000 Yeah, they were being incentivized.

01:48:50.000 Right, right.

01:48:50.000 Which is fucking crazy.

01:48:52.000 But the thing about this AI stuff that no one realizes except for the engineers that are deeply invested in this is that it's accelerating at this tremendously rapid pace that they can't really control.

01:49:06.000 Chat GPT-5, I was reading this article.

01:49:09.000 ChatGPT made ChatGPT-5.

01:49:13.000 They essentially tasked the AI to make a better version of itself.

01:49:17.000 Make sure that's true.

01:49:19.000 I'm pretty sure that's what they're saying.

01:49:20.000 Right now, for free, if you put any photo on Grok Imagine, it animates it.

01:49:24.000 And it looks realistic.

01:49:25.000 Yeah.

01:49:26.000 Like instantly.

01:49:27.000 There's a video of me and Keanu Reeves doing kung fu in this room.

01:49:31.000 Like he's dressed up like John Wick.

01:49:33.000 But it looks real, I'm sure.

01:49:34.000 It looks very real.

01:49:35.000 It's like a scene from John Wick.

01:49:37.000 It's like we're doing like movie-style kung fu in this room.

01:49:42.000 And the average person can't distinguish between what is on their screen and what is outside their window.

01:49:46.000 Right.

01:49:47.000 And for the human brain, they're going to remember it and perceive it as something that they had seen before.

01:49:52.000 It is a very scary thing.

01:49:54.000 I remember something that clicked in my head, Survivor Season 1.

01:49:57.000 So that was like 2000, I think it was, 2001.

01:49:59.000 They had the second to last episode.

01:50:01.000 There's four contestants left.

01:50:03.000 And they go next week on Survivor.

01:50:05.000 And Sue turns to Kelly and she goes, we got to vote out Richard.

01:50:08.000 And I was on a message board at the time.

01:50:10.000 And one of the people, they're like, who do you think is going to be eliminated?

01:50:13.000 One goes, oh, I think they're going to vote out Richard.

01:50:15.000 Did you hear what Sue said?

01:50:17.000 We all heard it.

01:50:18.000 This wasn't eavesdropping.

01:50:19.000 This was a sound clip that the editor left in.

01:50:22.000 There was nothing else to hear.

01:50:24.000 In fact, you could only hear what Sue said to Kelly.

01:50:26.000 And that was such a wake-up moment for me.

01:50:28.000 Like, holy shit, people really think they're on that beach and they heard something they weren't supposed to.

01:50:35.000 But you laugh.

01:50:36.000 But there will be people who tell you right now with a straight face, and I think they could pass the lie detector test easily, that Trump said we should inject bleach.

01:50:45.000 And Trump said, I'm praising very fine people, white nationalists.

01:50:49.000 And you could play the tape.

01:50:51.000 They're not lying.

01:50:51.000 They will not perceive it.

01:50:53.000 And I think that's a big hurdle for a lot of people to accept.

01:50:56.000 People honestly are perceiving things that you're not.

01:50:59.000 That's true.

01:51:00.000 Yeah.

01:51:00.000 And they're also only looking at headlines or only looking at narratives.

01:51:05.000 They get a tweet.

01:51:06.000 They read the tweet.

01:51:07.000 Oh, my God.

01:51:07.000 I can't believe they're doing this.

01:51:09.000 And then they put it down.

01:51:10.000 They're too busy.

01:51:11.000 They're not going to do deep dives.

01:51:13.000 It's not that they're too busy.

01:51:14.000 It's that their preconception has been validated.

01:51:16.000 They're not running a true-false filter.

01:51:18.000 They're running an us-them filter.

01:51:19.000 Right.

01:51:20.000 That's right.

01:51:21.000 Trump's thousands of times in the Epstein files.

01:51:23.000 There you go.

01:51:23.000 What else do I need to tell you?

01:51:24.000 That's it.

01:51:25.000 Very fine people on both sides.

01:51:25.000 Yeah.

01:51:26.000 I mean, Obama said that during the campaign.

01:51:29.000 When he said that during the campaign, I'm like, that's crazy.

01:51:32.000 Well, Biden said that was his reason for running.

01:51:35.000 You don't remember that?

01:51:37.000 You see in the Epstein file, someone said that Biden's dead?

01:51:40.000 And that Epstein's alive.

01:51:42.000 Yeah, that might be real.

01:51:44.000 I don't know how they pull that off.

01:51:47.000 Here's the thing.

01:51:48.000 I'm sorry to interrupt you.

01:51:49.000 Whenever I hear something that's out there, I'm not saying it's ridiculous.

01:51:52.000 I always say to myself, what steps would need to be taken for this to be true, right?

01:51:56.000 So if you're going to keep Epstein alive, and he's obviously extremely visible, his face and very known, how do you keep that guy under wraps would be the question I would have.

01:52:05.000 You move him to Israel and you get plastic surgery.

01:52:09.000 You think so?

01:52:10.000 Yeah.

01:52:10.000 That's it?

01:52:11.000 Look, Renee Zellweger looks different. 0.87

01:52:13.000 That's true.

01:52:14.000 And she's a fucking movie star. 1.00

01:52:15.000 So she kind of ruined her career by making herself look prettier. 1.00

01:52:19.000 Right.

01:52:20.000 No, she looks Asian now. 0.70

01:52:22.000 She's got all those weird.

01:52:24.000 She got all those big cheeks and her eyes are all like small now. 0.81

01:52:26.000 What did she do? 0.80

01:52:26.000 Let's take a look at her. 0.80

01:52:27.000 She's all puffy-faced, yeah. 0.95

01:52:29.000 Like people said that Bradley Cooper did something.

01:52:32.000 But he came in here.

01:52:33.000 He looked fucking completely normal.

01:52:35.000 It's just weird pictures online.

01:52:37.000 Like maybe one day he was tired.

01:52:39.000 Linda Zellweger really did.

01:52:41.000 She did something.

01:52:42.000 Bradley Cooper looks exactly like Bradley Cooper to me.

01:52:46.000 Yeah.

01:52:46.000 Okay.

01:52:47.000 Like she did something weird.

01:52:49.000 She was so cute.

01:52:50.000 She looks like that.

01:52:51.000 Look at her in 2009.

01:52:52.000 She was so cute.

01:52:53.000 Doesn't that annoying lefty lady who's a podcaster? 1.00

01:52:56.000 Yes, you do.

01:52:56.000 I don't know.

01:52:57.000 The one who was a real housewife, and now she's awful. 1.00

01:53:00.000 I don't know her name, but she's awful. 1.00

01:53:01.000 Yeah, she's a heel. 1.00

01:53:02.000 She does a great job being a heel. 1.00

01:53:04.000 Everyone, fucking lock them all off.

01:53:04.000 She's great at that.

01:53:06.000 Right, right, yeah, yeah.

01:53:07.000 She looks like a lot of people.

01:53:07.000 She doesn't want to fuck her anymore, and she's very angry.

01:53:09.000 That's who she looks like now.

01:53:10.000 Let me see that again.

01:53:11.000 I'm just looking at other photos.

01:53:13.000 Other photos?

01:53:14.000 Okay, the one on the far right.

01:53:16.000 She's still pretty, but there's definitely a change in her face.

01:53:21.000 Look at that fifth photo.

01:53:22.000 Jennifer Gray is a better example.

01:53:23.000 Well, she's got a nose job. 1.00

01:53:24.000 Right.

01:53:25.000 But after that nose job, her career kind of fucking stopped.

01:53:27.000 Well, no, Linda Evans is the worst of this. 1.00

01:53:29.000 Can you pull up Linda Evans?

01:53:30.000 Linda Evans from The Terminator?

01:53:31.000 From Dynasty.

01:53:33.000 Oh, Linda Hamilton, Terminator. 1.00

01:53:35.000 Yeah, Linda Evans is very. 0.98

01:53:36.000 Linda Hamilton is fucking awesome in Stranger Things. 1.00

01:53:40.000 What did she do? 0.80

01:53:41.000 I mean, she looks horrific.

01:53:42.000 Well, she's old, man. 0.96

01:53:43.000 Yeah, but there's plenty of old people who don't look like that.

01:53:46.000 She doesn't look like she did anything.

01:53:47.000 She sued.

01:53:48.000 She sued.

01:53:49.000 For a plastic surgery?

01:53:51.000 Look at that one right there, Jamie.

01:53:51.000 Yeah.

01:53:52.000 Yeah.

01:53:53.000 Pull that up.

01:53:54.000 I'm just, yeah.

01:53:57.000 It's bad.

01:53:58.000 YouTube video.

01:54:00.000 Well, that's just, I don't see.

01:54:02.000 Where does it say?

01:54:03.000 The one right under that, the red one.

01:54:04.000 See that?

01:54:05.000 Yeah, pull that up.

01:54:06.000 See?

01:54:07.000 Finding peace and happiness growing older in the Northwest.

01:54:10.000 That just looks like an older lady. 1.00

01:54:12.000 But she doesn't look like herself at all.

01:54:14.000 But she's older.

01:54:15.000 But she had a lot of effed up work. 0.93

01:54:18.000 Maybe she had some of it reversed.

01:54:19.000 maybe you're saying that's not that that one's not that shocking to me That's just an older lady. 1.00

01:54:26.000 I think it's quite shocking because I think it looks bad.

01:54:30.000 Disrespect her.

01:54:31.000 I mean, that's the difference between a 30-year-old lady and a fucking 70-year-old lady. 1.00

01:54:36.000 There's plenty of 70-year-old lady who don't look like protein bars. 1.00

01:54:40.000 I don't know.

01:54:41.000 I don't think that's the best example.

01:54:43.000 I think the Renee's.

01:54:44.000 Okay, what has Linda done to her face? 0.96

01:54:48.000 Right.

01:54:49.000 Okay, so it might not be true.

01:54:50.000 There's a lot of cases like this.

01:54:52.000 You know, it's whatever.

01:54:54.000 Yeah.

01:54:55.000 What was the point?

01:54:56.000 How do we get on that?

01:54:57.000 What are we talking about?

01:54:58.000 Keanu Reeves, Renee Zellweger?

01:55:01.000 I was on chat.

01:55:02.000 I was looking up ChatGPT stuff and then switched through that.

01:55:05.000 Okay, yeah.

01:55:05.000 ChatGPT 5.

01:55:07.000 Did ChatGPT code ChatGPT 5?

01:55:11.000 I don't even know how to search that.

01:55:12.000 I don't know the right search term to look that up because I'm not getting anywhere.

01:55:16.000 If you ask that question, it doesn't.

01:55:18.000 ChatGPT 5 makes itself better.

01:55:21.000 There's something that I was trying to dig into.

01:55:23.000 Oh, is that singularity?

01:55:24.000 It's called self-correcting loops or something like that, but I'm not getting anywhere with that.

01:55:29.000 That's not the right thing.

01:55:30.000 This was the concern about AI was that eventually AI would become sentient and autonomous and would create better versions of itself.

01:55:38.000 And it would do it very quickly.

01:55:38.000 Right.

01:55:39.000 Right.

01:55:40.000 And I think we're in that right now.

01:55:41.000 I think what we're getting from these engineers is an indication that the people that are deeply involved in this are fucking disturbed by the power of this stuff.

01:55:52.000 They essentially say that they don't have a job anymore.

01:55:54.000 They just kind of show up and it does the work for them and that this is far more potent than what the general public is aware of.

01:56:03.000 And getting better all the time.

01:56:04.000 We're at the point now where Grok is a better conversationalist and better at perceiving nuance and humor than the average person.

01:56:13.000 A lot of times if I have a tweet and some Cretan comes in with some response, I will just say, hey, Grok, explain to this person such and such and such.

01:56:21.000 And I leave it for Grok to be like a tart handler.

01:56:24.000 And I do this every single day.

01:56:25.000 But the point is, if I'm being humorous, maybe my jokes aren't that funny.

01:56:30.000 Point being, Grok understands that I'm being humorous.

01:56:32.000 Even this person isn't or is pretending not to.

01:56:35.000 So what happens when the average person, what are they bringing to the table?

01:56:40.000 Right, what are they bringing to the table?

01:56:42.000 What about artists, too?

01:56:43.000 The AI art's getting better every single day.

01:56:46.000 Like I did a book where I used AI for the cover.

01:56:48.000 It's like, what are you going to do with – you're going to have a certain number of people who are good at massaging it and having great ideas.

01:56:56.000 But at a certain point, there's only so much you can do.

01:56:59.000 Did you see what the Doer brothers did?

01:57:00.000 No.

01:57:01.000 They're these really good AI artists.

01:57:04.000 They're the guys who do all the intros to the Kill Tony videos.

01:57:06.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:57:07.000 They're fucking awesome.

01:57:08.000 And they just made like a Hollywood movie and they did it in like a day with AI.

01:57:15.000 See if you can find that clip because it went viral and everybody's kind of freaking out.

01:57:18.000 They're like, Hollywood's done.

01:57:19.000 Because this clip is insane.

01:57:21.000 It's so realistic looking.

01:57:22.000 And the other thing is, by the time we're all wrapping our heads around it, it's already six months ago.

01:57:28.000 That's what's crazy.

01:57:29.000 And it's far better than it was then.

01:57:31.000 They put out another one today.

01:57:32.000 Let me see.

01:57:33.000 Put the heavy ones.

01:57:34.000 Okay.

01:57:35.000 Yes, sir.

01:57:37.000 Go full screen, back it up.

01:57:45.000 This is all AI?

01:57:46.000 Yeah.

01:57:47.000 Yeah.

01:58:09.000 Whoa.

01:58:12.000 What the fuck?

01:58:59.000 I don't...

01:59:00.000 Wow.

01:59:01.000 I don't think it's a good idea for humans to casually.

01:59:04.000 This is the other one they did.

01:59:05.000 I'll check this one out.

01:59:06.000 I'm really busy.

01:59:07.000 Can you get Sophia today?

01:59:08.000 What?

01:59:09.000 No, I have a meeting.

01:59:10.000 I can't.

01:59:11.000 Oh, shit.

01:59:12.000 This is all AI?

01:59:17.000 This is a phenomenon that's caused by a massive animation comes available.

01:59:21.000 Stay tuned to this channel for continuous coverage.

01:59:59.000 It looks so realistic.

02:00:05.000 I don't like this. I love you.

02:00:19.000 I'm on my way.

02:00:20.000 I need you to hide.

02:00:20.000 Oh, my God.

02:00:21.000 Get underground I can't watch

02:00:54.000 oh my god it's a great cybertruck ad now people are quite online you can

02:01:21.000 You can hear the engine, which is no, but you can hear the engine when it does that.

02:01:27.000 It makes a weird humming noise.

02:01:54.000 Morning, Sleeping Beauty.

02:01:58.000 Why don't you get the president on the phone?

02:02:05.000 We have her.

02:02:06.000 What the hell?

02:02:07.000 I'll be right there.

02:02:08.000 Oh, my God.

02:02:10.000 I don't like this at all.

02:02:12.000 I don't like that at all.

02:02:14.000 I don't think the sound was AI.

02:02:15.000 Some of it could have been, but I don't think it's a good thing for people to casually be seeing footage of people being shot in the face.

02:02:25.000 Like, I'm on YouTube.

02:02:27.000 Got that.

02:02:28.000 I'm saying it's not a good thing.

02:02:29.000 Check out this video that I just sent you, Jamie.

02:02:31.000 Okay.

02:02:32.000 There's a lot of, I watch a lot of police body cam videos on YouTube.

02:02:34.000 Oh, yeah.

02:02:35.000 And you see people killed.

02:02:36.000 And it's just like, are we not having a conversation, the effects of the human mind of just watching real people getting killed left and right all the time?

02:02:43.000 Oh, I know.

02:02:44.000 Especially in young people?

02:02:45.000 There's a lot of that.

02:02:46.000 Like, I don't like seeing, I mean, watching.

02:02:48.000 Okay.

02:02:48.000 Check this out.

02:02:49.000 Oh, Jesus.

02:03:06.000 I was just asking about the pencil trick.

02:03:09.000 This is crazy.

02:03:11.000 This is crazy.

02:03:13.000 Oh, they're shame.

02:03:14.000 Weird.

02:03:14.000 Okay.

02:03:14.000 Wow.

02:03:15.000 But I don't, like, you don't see anything wrong with just casually showing planes flying into buildings.

02:03:22.000 Yeah.

02:03:23.000 Well, all movies do that, though.

02:03:25.000 Yeah, but the thing is, this is how you kind of borrow the frog.

02:03:25.000 I don't think that's...

02:03:29.000 But they've always done that in action movies.

02:03:32.000 I don't think to that level is to have anyone be able to make this the drop of a hat.

02:03:36.000 I'm not saying you should be banned.

02:03:37.000 I'm just saying I think at a certain point, if 24-7, we're seeing dozens of people getting killed, it's going to have an effect on people's psyches.

02:03:49.000 No question.

02:03:50.000 And I don't think that's a good effect.

02:03:53.000 Well, it's what we have now before this, not good.

02:03:56.000 Do you know what else is fucked up?

02:03:57.000 We're not even talking about this kind of porn is going to look like.

02:04:00.000 Right.

02:04:01.000 And porn with anybody, like you or Jamie.

02:04:01.000 Right.

02:04:04.000 You and Jamie could be fucking in a video.

02:04:06.000 I'm talking about.

02:04:08.000 What?

02:04:08.000 I'm talking about snuff films.

02:04:09.000 Oh, right.

02:04:10.000 Right.

02:04:11.000 You can make porn right now on doing the girl, then you cut her head off or cut body parts off. 1.00

02:04:11.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:04:16.000 Yeah, just pull out a shotgun as soon as you pull it off.

02:04:18.000 Pull out a knife.

02:04:19.000 Yeah, anything.

02:04:19.000 Yeah.

02:04:20.000 And it'll look really realistic, and you have no way of, we're still apes.

02:04:24.000 People probably already making that.

02:04:26.000 Of course they are.

02:04:27.000 They're probably already.

02:04:28.000 Well, that I know.

02:04:29.000 The investigators already don't have the tools to distinguish between real videos of infants and AI videos of infants.

02:04:38.000 And this is, again, this has been a bridge that's been crossed and no one knows what to say or do about it.

02:04:44.000 It's just like we're kind of just blinking and it's here.

02:04:47.000 Well, it's not just here.

02:04:49.000 It's here and growing and getting stronger all the time.

02:04:52.000 And we're all just plowing headfirst towards the cliff.

02:04:57.000 And what's going to happen when this started kind of stuff gets matched up with psychedelics?

02:05:03.000 Well, it's not just that.

02:05:04.000 It's like what happens when this stuff starts running all of our resources, running our economy, running everything.

02:05:12.000 Right.

02:05:12.000 Because that's what's going to happen.

02:05:14.000 It's going to be our government.

02:05:15.000 Well, I mean, right, who is that, the creepy line guy?

02:05:19.000 There was that documentary, The Creepy Line.

02:05:19.000 Creepyline?

02:05:21.000 Robert something Malone, I think his name was.

02:05:24.000 He's an academic.

02:05:25.000 His point, he went through Google and he goes, look, if I'm Google, right, and I and I or I'm Facebook, and I have people who are like Trump and people who like Hillary.

02:05:35.000 So if I just put out, hey, you should vote, and send it just to the Hillary people, I'm not on paper endorsing Hillary.

02:05:42.000 Robert Epstein.

02:05:43.000 Robert Epstein's that guy.

02:05:44.000 Yeah, but I've had that guy on multiple times.

02:05:46.000 Right, but then you're going to be getting out that vote in the direction you want.

02:05:50.000 Well, his concern is Google searches.

02:05:53.000 So like if you search Trump, it's all negative stories.

02:05:53.000 Sure.

02:05:56.000 And you search Hillary's repository.

02:05:58.000 I've talked to him also about the Facebook stuff.

02:06:00.000 If you're promoting the one vote and you have this group versus that group, it could nudge it very easily.

02:06:05.000 Right.

02:06:05.000 So that technology is already here and been used.

02:06:07.000 And been used.

02:06:08.000 So that's it.

02:06:08.000 Right.

02:06:09.000 That's real election manipulation that's already legal and being used for whatever reason.

02:06:15.000 Well, you know what reason.

02:06:16.000 But I also, but curated search engines are a real fucking problem if you're hiding certain information.

02:06:23.000 Like I noticed that during the pandemic, there was a story about a doctor in Florida that got vaccinated and then really quickly afterwards had a stroke and died.

02:06:32.000 And I read the story and a lot of people were concerned about it.

02:06:35.000 And then I tried to find it on Google.

02:06:37.000 I could not find it.

02:06:38.000 I could not find it.

02:06:39.000 I looked everywhere.

02:06:40.000 Then I looked on DuckDuckGo and I found it immediately.

02:06:43.000 Wow.

02:06:44.000 And then it was in the first page.

02:06:46.000 And then somewhere along the line, DuckDuckGo got weird too.

02:06:49.000 Oh, Jesus.

02:06:50.000 Yeah.

02:06:50.000 Okay.

02:06:51.000 So it's like they realize that people are finding things on DuckGo.

02:06:53.000 And then I believe, is DuckDuckGo curated or did they just have open source?

02:07:01.000 What are they saying?

02:07:02.000 And then I started using Brave and Brave was showing me things that other search engines weren't showing me.

02:07:08.000 But then on the other hand, you have the problem of is it showing you things that are just not true?

02:07:14.000 Right, right.

02:07:14.000 But I was searching for a very specific story.

02:07:17.000 I could be speeched.

02:07:18.000 Right, right.

02:07:19.000 You're definitely going to get a lot of that, especially if there's like, look, the Hunter Biden laptop story.

02:07:23.000 They got 51 different former intelligence agents to say that it was Russian disinformation.

02:07:28.000 Not curated in the sense of building a personalized filter bubble based on user history, but it does curate results by ranking.

02:07:34.000 I don't know how you can really avoid that, though.

02:07:35.000 That's curating.

02:07:36.000 Indexing and filtering from hundreds of sources, including Bing.

02:07:40.000 Bing's not good.

02:07:41.000 It has to put things in the middle.

02:07:42.000 It has to provide what it deems relevant, what it deems relevant.

02:07:46.000 Unlike Google, it avoids user tracking and personalization, providing a more neutral, non-personalized search experience, but also curated by ranking.

02:07:56.000 No user profiling.

02:07:58.000 It does not store search history.

02:08:00.000 All I know is that there was a difference in the way it worked for me.

02:08:03.000 It doesn't mean that it's...

02:08:05.000 There has to be some ranking process.

02:08:07.000 It can't just, you know, it's going to have things in order no matter what search engine.

02:08:07.000 Yeah.

02:08:10.000 Right, when you're looking for something very specific.

02:08:12.000 That is, yeah, that's obviously.

02:08:14.000 Google would not show me that article.

02:08:16.000 I put in all the facts that I could not find it.

02:08:19.000 All it was saying was the benefits of getting the COVID vaccine.

02:08:21.000 Has it gotten better or worse?

02:08:22.000 I don't know.

02:08:23.000 How would we know?

02:08:23.000 We don't know.

02:08:24.000 I don't know.

02:08:25.000 I mean, but you should be disturbed at Robert Epstein's work because Robert Epstein's work shows that with just this curated search result, you can shift all these centrist voters, all these middle-of-the-pack voters, these swing voters.

02:08:40.000 You can shift them by 2%.

02:08:43.000 I think it's larger.

02:08:44.000 And point being Trump 1%.

02:08:46.000 It was 9% or something crazy.

02:08:47.000 Well, then, let's be conservative, say 2.

02:08:49.000 Trump by 1.5%.

02:08:51.000 Yeah.

02:08:52.000 And I don't think things are looking good for the Republicans going forward.

02:08:55.000 Well, it doesn't look good for the midterms, right?

02:08:57.000 Oh, that's right.

02:08:58.000 I mean, this ICE stuff is doing a great job for that because a lot of people are like, hey, we're moving towards fascism.

02:09:03.000 And the perception of the economy.

02:09:05.000 The thing with the ICE stuff, it's like people, you know, voters can have contradictory perspectives.

02:09:05.000 Yeah.

02:09:10.000 Like, they want to get rid of illegal aliens, but don't force them out. 0.99

02:09:14.000 It's like, what are you going to do?

02:09:15.000 Send them a strongly worded letter?

02:09:17.000 Well, I think the real problem is they're not willing to address the fact that these are paid protests and agitators.

02:09:23.000 Sure.

02:09:24.000 And that these people, this is not an organic thing where people are taken to the streets.

02:09:27.000 They're literally being paid.

02:09:29.000 These people have come out and said you get X amount of money, you get $100 a day if it's cold out, you get more money.

02:09:34.000 One of the things people were saying that I don't know if it's true at all was like, this might be horseshit.

02:09:38.000 They were saying they gave them decibel meters to see how loud they were yelling.

02:09:43.000 Who?

02:09:44.000 Where?

02:09:45.000 Really?

02:09:45.000 Protesters.

02:09:46.000 And they were providing protesters with these decibel meters.

02:09:49.000 And for them to, or in order to get paid, they had to be yelling at a certain decibel.

02:09:53.000 I was like, this sounds like disinformation.

02:09:55.000 Yeah, I feel like.

02:09:57.000 How much of those things?

02:09:58.000 How much is a fucking decibel meter?

02:09:59.000 That sounds like very a problem in terms of like cost.

02:10:03.000 Right.

02:10:04.000 I had that at Selen eBay, right?

02:10:05.000 Right.

02:10:05.000 If I'm a protester.

02:10:07.000 Thousands of people and you're providing them with these decibel meters.

02:10:11.000 I would think.

02:10:12.000 Yeah.

02:10:12.000 Right.

02:10:13.000 It sounded like horseshit.

02:10:14.000 But there's a lot of horseshit out there.

02:10:16.000 There's a lot of people that they do interviews and they just make up fake stuff just for clickbait.

02:10:22.000 But the thing is there, I think people are, I agree with you or like over ice, but it's like, what's your plan B?

02:10:27.000 Right.

02:10:29.000 Like, if that's your argument, that's fine, but it's just like, it's not a tenable situation.

02:10:29.000 The amnesty?

02:10:34.000 I mean, look what's going on overseas.

02:10:35.000 Right.

02:10:36.000 What are you going to do?

02:10:37.000 Like, right now, there's a guy who's running against Farage from the right of him.

02:10:40.000 And it's like, you're going to break up that vote.

02:10:42.000 Like, it's called Restore Britain.

02:10:44.000 Oh, what is he saying?

02:10:45.000 He's saying, he's like, Farage is too soft.

02:10:47.000 We're going to deport them all. 0.99

02:10:49.000 Blah, blah, blah.

02:10:50.000 It's just like, like, how would, like, fine.

02:10:53.000 I understand that's your argument.

02:10:55.000 Literally, how are you going to do that without mass enforcement?

02:10:57.000 I'm not saying I'm for it or against it.

02:10:59.000 I'm just saying, what is your plan?

02:11:01.000 It's not, it's easy to promise.

02:11:03.000 If I'm in a country that's awesome, I don't want to go back to my shithole.

02:11:06.000 But I'm going to do whatever I can, legally and sometimes extra-legally, to make sure I'm staying.

02:11:11.000 Especially people over there that have been encouraged to go there.

02:11:14.000 And then they bend the laws in order to kind of hide their crimes.

02:11:14.000 Right.

02:11:17.000 Right.

02:11:18.000 One of the best things that happened to me was December 31st, 2024.

02:11:24.000 So it was the beginning of 2025.

02:11:26.000 I was on Twitter and you heard about these grooming gangs overseas.

02:11:30.000 And even me, who writes a lot about the nature of evil, was naive because when you hear the term grooming, I thought, okay, these high school girls have these boyfriends from different countries and like 30, whatever, and it's gross and whatever.

02:11:44.000 And then someone posted the receipts of the legal cases.

02:11:48.000 These were girls, children, eight-year-olds, 10, whatever, being violated and beaten with baseball bats. 0.98

02:11:54.000 They were complaining to police.

02:11:56.000 The police said everything's fine.

02:11:58.000 Like really graphic stuff.

02:11:59.000 And I'm like, how stupid I was to think grooming meant what anyone else thinks of grooming.

02:12:05.000 These are rape and torture gangs.

02:12:07.000 And then Elon saw my tweet and he blew a gasket.

02:12:10.000 And then they kind of talked about it in parliament.

02:12:12.000 So it was a great way to start 2025.

02:12:14.000 But like, where is it all going?

02:12:15.000 You know what I mean?

02:12:16.000 People are upset, but Kirsteimer's not in jail.

02:12:20.000 The things he's in trouble for aren't stuff like this.

02:12:22.000 The entire Labor Party voted against further inquiry.

02:12:25.000 It's like some of these guys got prison sentences, but they're not anywhere near proportionate.

02:12:29.000 Why are they still in the UK?

02:12:31.000 I just don't understand it.

02:12:32.000 I just don't understand what's the end game there.

02:12:36.000 Is it the destruction of the UK?

02:12:40.000 Like, what's the end game?

02:12:41.000 That's sure what it's, that's sure.

02:12:42.000 Well, if that isn't their goal, that's sure where they are headed toward.

02:12:46.000 Right.

02:12:46.000 If you were trying to destroy the UK, that's how you would do it.

02:12:49.000 Bring in violent migrants, let them do violent crimes, don't prosecute them, and prosecute people for complaining about it online. 1.00

02:12:55.000 And don't bring them into your country and kind of assimilate them. 1.00

02:12:59.000 Right.

02:13:00.000 Like, encourage them to not assimilate. 0.99

02:13:02.000 Yeah.

02:13:03.000 So I was just there in August.

02:13:05.000 It's bad as people think it is.

02:13:06.000 It's even worse.

02:13:07.000 Really?

02:13:08.000 There was a theater a block away from the House of Parliament, and they were bragging that seeing their shows are safe.

02:13:17.000 Not fun for the whole family.

02:13:19.000 Not, you know, oh, this is educational.

02:13:21.000 You're not going to get murdered if you come to see a play here.

02:13:24.000 That really shouldn't be a selling point when you're going to the movies or the theater.

02:13:28.000 That's crazy.

02:13:29.000 And it's only getting worse.

02:13:29.000 Yeah.

02:13:32.000 So it's, it's, it's, I don't, and I don't, but here's the other thing.

02:13:35.000 Let's talk about America, right?

02:13:37.000 If you want to get rid of all these illegal immigrants, what is your mechanism? 1.00

02:13:42.000 Because if what Trump is doing is too much, there's no the alternative is to make it difficult for them so they remigrate.

02:13:49.000 But there's plenty of people who would, I can certainly understand it.

02:13:52.000 I'd rather be an illegal immigrant in America than go back to whatever hellhole. 0.99

02:13:56.000 Right.

02:13:57.000 I found the video of talking about decimal meters.

02:13:59.000 They were fucking around.

02:14:00.000 That was a joke.

02:14:01.000 Grock says they were satirizing paid protesters with the decimal meters.

02:14:01.000 Okay.

02:14:10.000 Yeah, the decibel meters.

02:14:11.000 That sounds ridiculous.

02:14:13.000 Yeah, the whole thing was fucked.

02:14:14.000 It's a joke.

02:14:14.000 Yeah.

02:14:16.000 Yeah.

02:14:17.000 That makes sense.

02:14:18.000 Because I was like, there's no way.

02:14:19.000 There's no way they're giving people decibel meters.

02:14:21.000 But that's also just clickbait.

02:14:22.000 What would you do with the illegal immigrants? 1.00

02:14:25.000 It's a good question.

02:14:26.000 You know, the real problem is that they let 10 million people plus in over the last four years.

02:14:34.000 And that's the thing that no one wants to address.

02:14:37.000 Like, the only reason why there is this problem is because we had a fucking open border for four years where they actually encouraged people to come in and they let in a bunch of violent criminals and people have been killed.

02:14:48.000 Women have been raped.

02:14:50.000 Children have been killed.

02:14:52.000 And they want to hide that data because they don't want to be held responsible for what they did over the last four years.

02:14:58.000 The fact that that doesn't get the kind of outrage that it should, but then an ICE protester shooting a guy who is armed.

02:15:07.000 Do you know what really is going on with the gun community about that guy who got that Alex Predi guy?

02:15:13.000 Right.

02:15:13.000 Do you know the story?

02:15:14.000 Well, I know that what's his name got fired correctly for saying, well, you shouldn't bring guns to fight the police.

02:15:20.000 And all the QA people are like, are you crazy?

02:15:22.000 The whole point of the 2A is against the police.

02:15:23.000 Right.

02:15:24.000 But that guy, so they disarmed him.

02:15:27.000 He was carrying a SIG P320.

02:15:30.000 Okay.

02:15:30.000 SIG P320s are notorious for accidentally discharging.

02:15:35.000 It appears, at least in videos that I've seen, and some people seem to verify this, that as one of the officers pulls the gun from him and walks away with it, it accidentally discharges.

02:15:48.000 They think this guy has a gun still.

02:15:51.000 They just pulled a gun from sure.

02:15:52.000 A gun went off.

02:15:53.000 They think they're in a gunfight.

02:15:54.000 Everything's happening split second.

02:15:55.000 They empty on that guy.

02:15:57.000 The two guys who killed him, both of them Mexican guys.

02:16:00.000 They look at village people.

02:16:00.000 Did you see?

02:16:00.000 Right.

02:16:02.000 Did you not see them?

02:16:03.000 I didn't see.

02:16:04.000 They showed their actual faces.

02:16:05.000 It's on my Twitter if you scroll back a few days, Jamie.

02:16:05.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

02:16:07.000 They look like I said the village people.

02:16:08.000 It would look straight at village people. 0.77

02:16:10.000 But what's crazy is how many Latinos are in ICE. 0.94

02:16:13.000 Why is that crazy?

02:16:14.000 Trump got the Latino vote.

02:16:16.000 Well, it's not just that.

02:16:17.000 It's like it's a really well-paying job.

02:16:19.000 Sure.

02:16:19.000 And they give you a big bonus to sign.

02:16:21.000 I think, what is the bonus when you sign for ICE?

02:16:25.000 I think it's like a great incentive.

02:16:26.000 But here's the thing.

02:16:27.000 It raises a lot of money.

02:16:28.000 Why that debate drives me crazy.

02:16:30.000 If there's a hospital, right, and there's a nurse who's killing patients, which happens, that happens. 1.00

02:16:35.000 You have these like black widow situations. 1.00

02:16:37.000 No one's going to say, shut down the hospital or stop medicine.

02:16:42.000 So even if this was a first-degree murder, let's assume for the sake of argument, that doesn't mean you should abolish ICE.

02:16:48.000 It just means that guy should go to jail.

02:16:49.000 Who does one thing have to do with the other?

02:16:51.000 Look at this.

02:16:51.000 Signing bonus, $50,000.

02:16:55.000 $60,000 in student loan repayment up to 25% in premium pay.

02:17:01.000 I don't know what that means.

02:17:02.000 Probably overtime, maybe?

02:17:04.000 Premium pay?

02:17:05.000 25%?

02:17:06.000 What does that mean?

02:17:07.000 I don't know.

02:17:08.000 But either way, just the $50,000 bonus.

02:17:10.000 How many people are willing to take that job just for that? 0.94

02:17:13.000 And then $60,000 in student loan repayments.

02:17:15.000 And it's great on your resume.

02:17:16.000 Yeah, well, you get your student loan paid off and you get a $50,000 bonus.

02:17:20.000 Holy shit.

02:17:21.000 You can get a lot of people to do that.

02:17:21.000 Right.

02:17:23.000 Yeah.

02:17:23.000 And job security.

02:17:24.000 And you can wear some ass. 1.00

02:17:25.000 It seems like a job like macho guys would enjoy.

02:17:28.000 Sure.

02:17:29.000 And if you're desperate for work and if you can't find work and then all of a sudden this is like an answer to all your financial problems, a lot of people are going to do it.

02:17:36.000 But again – You're also like very undertrained.

02:17:39.000 Like they only trained for seven weeks.

02:17:41.000 Yeah.

02:17:41.000 Is that right?

02:17:42.000 But what's the answer, though?

02:17:43.000 No one has an answer.

02:17:44.000 Right.

02:17:45.000 That's a good question.

02:17:46.000 Because, yeah, well, there are a lot of violent criminals in this country that did get in over the last four years that do need to be removed.

02:17:52.000 So what are you going to do?

02:17:52.000 But what do you do about the nonviolent ones?

02:17:55.000 Well, here's the thing.

02:17:56.000 There was an interesting statistic.

02:17:58.000 I think I sent it to you, Jamie, where they were saying only 14% of these people that they've arrested are violent criminals.

02:18:04.000 Okay.

02:18:05.000 But what they didn't say is that 60% of the people that they arrested had criminal history.

02:18:12.000 And when you say nonviolent, non-violent meaning what?

02:18:16.000 What about strong-armed robbery?

02:18:17.000 What about a guy pulls a gun on you?

02:18:20.000 That's got to be violent.

02:18:20.000 How are you classifying that?

02:18:21.000 I bet it's not if you don't cause violence.

02:18:24.000 No, there's no way armed robbery isn't a violent crime.

02:18:28.000 If you do not cause violence, I wonder if they're categorizing it as violence.

02:18:32.000 Like if you do not shoot someone, stab someone, beat someone, so you're not convicted of a violent crime, you're convicted of robbery.

02:18:38.000 Because they're doing everything in their power to make the gun violence numbers as high as possible.

02:18:44.000 So if there's any opportunity where a gun is involved, that will be counted as gun violence.

02:18:49.000 Perhaps, but you could rob people with a knife.

02:18:51.000 You know, I mean, does that count?

02:18:52.000 If you pull a knife on someone and you rob them, is that complexity of crime?

02:18:56.000 I bet you it is.

02:18:57.000 I wonder.

02:18:58.000 But either way, the misleading aspect of the article was that only 14% were violent criminals.

02:19:06.000 But is that okay that the other fucking 46% are breaking into people's houses and robbing cars? 0.94

02:19:14.000 What about that?

02:19:15.000 But what about the 40% who just shouldn't be here? 0.99

02:19:17.000 Right.

02:19:18.000 Like, that's the question.

02:19:19.000 They all shouldn't be there.

02:19:19.000 Right.

02:19:20.000 Right.

02:19:20.000 So what are you going to do?

02:19:21.000 Okay.

02:19:21.000 Right.

02:19:22.000 So here it is.

02:19:22.000 400,000 ICE arrests in Trump's first year.

02:19:25.000 About 60% involved individuals with some criminal charges or convictions.

02:19:29.000 However, only 14% had violent crime records, including as homicide, 2,100 arrests, sexual assault, 5,400.

02:19:37.000 Robbery, 2,700.

02:19:39.000 So robbery.

02:19:40.000 Nearly 40% lacked any criminal record, detained for civil immigration violations.

02:19:46.000 Wait, can we skip ahead?

02:19:47.000 This is what's so shameless.

02:19:49.000 Arrests for nonviolent issues like DUI.

02:19:52.000 I'm sorry.

02:19:53.000 If you're doing DUI, you should be deported.

02:19:55.000 Right.

02:19:55.000 That is a violent crime.

02:19:57.000 Well, you definitely cause death and destruction.

02:20:00.000 Drugs, 22,000.

02:20:02.000 DUI, 30,000.

02:20:04.000 Outnumber severe violent crimes.

02:20:06.000 But yeah, but those are fucking bad crimes.

02:20:09.000 But I think this kind of is a distraction from.

02:20:12.000 Yes.

02:20:12.000 If you have 10 million people and they're all house homemakers, like let's suppose they're the nicest people ever.

02:20:17.000 Are you comfortable with them just remaining here?

02:20:20.000 And I don't think most people are.

02:20:22.000 No.

02:20:22.000 Then what do you do?

02:20:23.000 Rand Paul thinks that you should allow them to stay but not give them citizenship.

02:20:29.000 See, if birthright citizenship went away, a lot of this would be solved.

02:20:33.000 Right.

02:20:33.000 If like you can't, you're not eligible for welfare, you're manageable for Medicaid.

02:20:33.000 Right.

02:20:37.000 You could pay your taxes and income, but you're not getting the benefits.

02:20:40.000 People can understand that argument, maybe.

02:20:43.000 Especially if you are illegal and then you come here specifically to have a baby and then your baby can stay too. 0.90

02:20:48.000 That's kind of crazy.

02:20:49.000 That's a crazy law.

02:20:51.000 I think we're the only country that has that too.

02:20:53.000 Yeah.

02:20:53.000 So China definitely doesn't.

02:20:55.000 So, well, I mean, no one's really banging on the door for Chinese citizenship, to be fair.

02:20:59.000 That's true.

02:21:00.000 Unless you're from North Korea, maybe. 0.99

02:21:02.000 But yeah, so it's.

02:21:03.000 It is a problem that doesn't have like a clear-cut solution that would make both sides happy.

02:21:07.000 That's for damn sure.

02:21:09.000 Well, I don't, I think one side is against it entirely, and many Republicans don't think it's worth kind of overturning their whole society to get these 10 million people out.

02:21:20.000 So what's going to, I mean, if we had 10 million Canadians come to America, that's not going to change the country.

02:21:26.000 Right.

02:21:27.000 It makes no sense.

02:21:28.000 Well, especially 10 million Canadians that could be violent criminals if you just have an open door.

02:21:28.000 Right.

02:21:33.000 They're Canadians.

02:21:33.000 They're not going to be violent.

02:21:34.000 There's violent Canadians. 1.00

02:21:36.000 Sure.

02:21:38.000 They need to be on the tree, too.

02:21:39.000 Drinking maple syrup.

02:21:40.000 Do you know about my Enslaved Canada plan?

02:21:44.000 No.

02:21:45.000 Okay.

02:21:48.000 I have the exact numbers.

02:21:49.000 Hold on here.

02:21:50.000 So there are, I want to get this exactly right, 41 million Canadians.

02:21:56.000 Okay.

02:21:57.000 Now, let's talk about reparations.

02:21:59.000 Right?

02:21:59.000 So if I wreck your truck and your truck is worth $10,000, I got to get you a brand new truck or $10,000.

02:22:07.000 That's reparations is restored.

02:22:09.000 How could you have reparations for something as horrific as slavery?

02:22:12.000 A check's not going to do it because there's no amount of money where I could say, what, you know what, you own my grandma.

02:22:16.000 It's fine, right?

02:22:17.000 Right.

02:22:18.000 41 million Canadians, they've already demonstrated repeatedly that they don't want freedom through every action that they've taken.

02:22:24.000 42 million African and black Americans.

02:22:27.000 So slavery in the South was a horrific blot on America's past.

02:22:33.000 So the opposite, slavery in the North, would be better. 0.82

02:22:36.000 So we invade and enslave, hashtag enslave Canada, and every African American gets one Canadian, and that's reparations. 0.99

02:22:44.000 And then you never have to hear about slavery or racism again.

02:22:47.000 What a great idea.

02:22:48.000 And the big names can get the big names.

02:22:50.000 So like Michelle Obama can get GAD sad, right?

02:22:54.000 Barack Obama is not African American.

02:22:56.000 He's African. 0.59

02:22:56.000 You don't get one. 0.59

02:22:58.000 Do you think that's real?

02:22:59.000 The Kenyan thing? 0.99

02:23:00.000 Well, he was of African descent.

02:23:03.000 His ancestors were never slaves.

02:23:05.000 So he's not do reparations.

02:23:06.000 In fact, his ancestors owned slaves.

02:23:08.000 And so did Kamala Harris's.

02:23:09.000 Michelle Obama's ancestors were enslaved.

02:23:12.000 So she gets GAD.

02:23:13.000 Sorry, GAD.

02:23:15.000 I'm not kidding.

02:23:16.000 I think we should do it.

02:23:17.000 It would solve a racism problem.

02:23:17.000 It would solve Canada.

02:23:19.000 Canada just needs to be free.

02:23:21.000 Yeah.

02:23:21.000 They need a better government up there.

02:23:23.000 That's right.

02:23:24.000 You know, Trump ruined that.

02:23:27.000 When he was saying they were going to be our 51st state, he killed the Conservative Party because then everybody sort of united and said, hey, we've got to stop America from trying to turn us into the 51st state.

02:23:37.000 This Greenland thing.

02:23:38.000 Okay.

02:23:39.000 Let's talk about this.

02:23:41.000 Okay.

02:23:41.000 Because I don't know if people know this.

02:23:43.000 In the first term, we're saying Marie Fredrickson, I think, is the prime minister of Denmark.

02:23:48.000 They were going to have a meeting, and Trump's like, we want Greenland.

02:23:52.000 And she's like, oh, you, you know, haha, looking forward to, you know, meeting you, Mr. President.

02:23:57.000 And on Twitter, he cancels the meeting and goes, since the prime minister doesn't know her place, we're going to have to meet another time.

02:24:04.000 And she's like, what?

02:24:06.000 Like, what are you talking about?

02:24:08.000 And now they're saying you could have Greenland to do anything you want.

02:24:12.000 You want to dig for the minerals?

02:24:14.000 Please bring industry there.

02:24:15.000 Nope.

02:24:16.000 We need to own Greenland.

02:24:17.000 And they don't know.

02:24:18.000 And I don't know what to make of his.

02:24:21.000 Someone I saw on social media thinks he must be on the spectrum because he's so fixated on this thing that no one who's neurotypical has this kind of fixation.

02:24:29.000 But what do you make of this whole Greenland thing?

02:24:31.000 I don't understand it.

02:24:32.000 Do you know they offered us Greenland in the 1920s?

02:24:34.000 Right.

02:24:35.000 Okay.

02:24:35.000 Yeah.

02:24:35.000 But was it too much money or something?

02:24:35.000 Yeah.

02:24:38.000 How much was it?

02:24:39.000 How much do they offer us Greenland for?

02:24:42.000 But I don't blame them for being like, what is going on?

02:24:45.000 It is crazy.

02:24:46.000 Right.

02:24:47.000 So Denmark owns Greenland. 0.77

02:24:49.000 Who's closer?

02:24:50.000 Denmark or the United States?

02:24:51.000 We're closer to Greenland.

02:24:53.000 We should have it.

02:24:54.000 Shouldn't Canada have it then?

02:24:55.000 No, fuck them.

02:24:59.000 This is what it must be like in Denmark right now.

02:25:01.000 They're like, what do we say?

02:25:02.000 Okay, did not offer himself to the United States in the 1920s.

02:25:05.000 U.S. expressed interest in acquiring or basing in Greenland during that decade, but no formal offer came from Denmark.

02:25:12.000 I thought there was negotiation.

02:25:14.000 That's what it's saying, yeah.

02:25:15.000 Okay.

02:25:15.000 A land swap idea.

02:25:17.000 Okay.

02:25:18.000 For the U.S. Virgin Islands for $25 million.

02:25:22.000 The U.S. bought the Danish West Indies, now U.S. Virgin Islands, for $25 million.

02:25:26.000 What a deal.

02:25:28.000 But affirm Danish sovereignty over Greenland.

02:25:31.000 1920s, U.S. Army General Billy Mitchell advocated for American air bases on Greenland and Iceland to expand air power, viewing them as strategically vital amid advancing technology.

02:25:41.000 No purchase or secession offer emerged from Denmark.

02:25:45.000 U.S. interests remained internal military advocacy without diplomatic action from Copenhagen.

02:25:51.000 We just got to give him a swap.

02:25:52.000 We get Greenland, you get Puerto Rico. 0.58

02:25:55.000 So in 1947, go back to that?

02:25:59.000 1947, President Truman proposed $100 million in gold for Greenland.

02:26:05.000 Rejected by Denmark amid Cold War tensions, U.S. gained defense rights via 1941 agreement during World War II occupation of Denmark.

02:26:14.000 How interesting is that?

02:26:15.000 Like, we've been interested in Greenland forever.

02:26:18.000 Oh, it's right there.

02:26:18.000 That's ours.

02:26:19.000 We should take it.

02:26:20.000 It's that fast, fast route to Russia.

02:26:23.000 Well, yeah, because you have those straits on both sides.

02:26:28.000 But the thing is, they're already saying you could do whatever you want.

02:26:31.000 Like, take a dump on it.

02:26:33.000 Like, we're happy to exploit it, please.

02:26:33.000 We don't care.

02:26:37.000 And he's like, nope, we got to own it.

02:26:39.000 It's like, but why?

02:26:40.000 I guess he got it in his head that he could make it happen.

02:26:44.000 But this is really, like, I don't, the thing is, they're getting freaked out in Europe, not because he's being disaggressive, I think, not just, but also because it's like, what are we missing?

02:26:54.000 Like, you and I, like, what are we missing here?

02:26:56.000 Like, what about Greenland owning it change when you could do whatever you like, put more bases?

02:27:02.000 We love it.

02:27:03.000 I don't know, man.

02:27:05.000 You've hung out with him.

02:27:07.000 Does he have a screw-loose?

02:27:07.000 What's he like?

02:27:09.000 It's hard to say.

02:27:11.000 I mean, I think anybody who wants to be president has a screw loose.

02:27:13.000 And anybody who went through that guy, what that guy did.

02:27:16.000 Sure, of course.

02:27:17.000 What he went through over the last four years when Biden was in office, we were trying to lock him out.

02:27:21.000 What about what he was president, what they went through?

02:27:22.000 Yeah, the Russian gate stuff.

02:27:24.000 Yeah, all that stuff.

02:27:25.000 It's kind of crazy.

02:27:26.000 You would have to have a little bit of a screw rules.

02:27:28.000 And now I think he's on a victory lap for sure.

02:27:31.000 But he also wants to get a lot of stuff done because he knows he only has one term.

02:27:35.000 And I think the Greenland thing, I understand the strategic implications why you would want that.

02:27:44.000 But I don't understand why you wouldn't just accept a deal.

02:27:47.000 Right.

02:27:48.000 Well, we could have bases there and you're not going to be able to do that.

02:27:49.000 We have bases there already.

02:27:50.000 And we do whatever we want.

02:27:51.000 Here's the other thing.

02:27:53.000 This is the other one that I don't understand.

02:27:55.000 We go to Venezuela.

02:27:57.000 We basically teleport Maduro out.

02:27:59.000 Obviously, there was some kind of inside information or whatever, who knows.

02:28:02.000 And then everyone just stops talking about it.

02:28:05.000 I know, right?

02:28:05.000 It's just like...

02:28:06.000 Well, the news cycle's crazy, right?

02:28:07.000 But what is going on in Venezuela?

02:28:08.000 Did they change the government?

02:28:09.000 I don't think they did.

02:28:10.000 They didn't change the government, but they got rid of the one guy that was a resistance.

02:28:14.000 And a lot of people, like Kurt Metzger, thinks that what's going to happen is during the trial, they're going to reveal that Maduro was involved in rigging the 2020 election.

02:28:25.000 He's American 2020?

02:28:26.000 Yes.

02:28:27.000 Because there is some sort of a connection with Venezuela and the 2020 election and the voting machines.

02:28:33.000 Wait, okay.

02:28:34.000 I love Kurt.

02:28:35.000 I was one of the people at his birthday party.

02:28:39.000 When I say I love him, I mean, ironically and non-ironically, I think he's the best.

02:28:43.000 I love him too.

02:28:44.000 I don't see any route where they would need the theater of a trial to release this sort of information.

02:28:55.000 I agree.

02:28:55.000 Right.

02:28:57.000 But I think that having him in America and making a deal with him, look, bitch, we already kidnapped you. 1.00

02:29:03.000 We killed all your guards.

02:29:04.000 I think he's, if I can get out Kurt Kurt, I would bet this, I would bet a lot of money.

02:29:11.000 I would not be surprised.

02:29:12.000 I'm not going to bet.

02:29:13.000 That he's, this is already a deal.

02:29:15.000 That they told him, either you come to jail with us, wink, wink, or we'll take you out.

02:29:21.000 And he's like, you're not fine.

02:29:22.000 I'll retire to America.

02:29:23.000 That would make more sense to me.

02:29:26.000 They did some wild stuff over there.

02:29:28.000 Like, they used some sound weapon to incapacitate everybody, and they went in and executed them all.

02:29:33.000 How much of that's going to be?

02:29:33.000 Is that all?

02:29:34.000 Not a single U.S. soldier was shot.

02:29:36.000 Right.

02:29:37.000 And everybody was down.

02:29:38.000 Like, the people that are talking about it that were on the ground saying it was crazy.

02:29:41.000 They shut off all the power.

02:29:43.000 Right.

02:29:43.000 They shut off all the radar systems.

02:29:45.000 And then all of a sudden, fucking helicopters, drones, everything was there.

02:29:49.000 This sound weapon was used.

02:29:51.000 Everybody was incapacitated.

02:29:52.000 They came in, gunned down.

02:29:53.000 Like, how many people did they kill?

02:29:55.000 I forget how many people.

02:29:56.000 It was 100, wasn't it?

02:29:57.000 They killed a lot of people.

02:29:59.000 But they killed him with no resistance.

02:30:00.000 But I thought it was very clear that we had some kind of inside information.

02:30:04.000 I'm sure we had that as well.

02:30:05.000 Yeah, someone on the inside was like working with us in terms of where he is.

02:30:08.000 I'm sure there was that as well.

02:30:09.000 But there was this photo of him getting arrested.

02:30:14.000 I thought it was AI because it looks so crazy and ridiculous.

02:30:18.000 And if I went a year ago and said Trump's going to arrest Maduro, and I'm like, arrest him for what?

02:30:22.000 It's just, like, I don't know what's real anymore.

02:30:24.000 Right.

02:30:25.000 Here's an article from The Guardian from November 2025.

02:30:31.000 Okay.

02:30:31.000 Trump's DOJ investigating unfounded claims.

02:30:36.000 Venezuela helped steal 2020 election.

02:30:38.000 Like, so how do you know it's unfounded until you investigate?

02:30:40.000 This is these fuckers.

02:30:41.000 Let me skip ahead.

02:30:42.000 The Guardian's pretty bad with that kind of stuff.

02:30:43.000 Yeah, they're gross.

02:30:44.000 This stuff is where it's interesting because this guy works for the CIA, I think, and he has a quote down here where he says he doesn't deal with bullshit.

02:30:51.000 I don't dabble.

02:30:52.000 Well, he thinks it's bullshit?

02:30:53.000 Well, I was just trying to have you read it.

02:30:55.000 Yeah, he says, I don't dabble in conspiracy theories.

02:30:57.000 Hmm.

02:30:58.000 I'm sure you don't.

02:30:59.000 You're in the CIA?

02:31:00.000 Right.

02:31:00.000 We don't dabble.

02:31:01.000 We make them.

02:31:03.000 Okay.

02:31:04.000 Who knows?

02:31:05.000 This is what Kurt believes.

02:31:06.000 This is not my theory.

02:31:07.000 Keep scrolling down.

02:31:08.000 I want to see what he's saying that Venezuela did.

02:31:12.000 Yeah, what is the accusation?

02:31:15.000 Yeah, keep scrolling down.

02:31:16.000 I'm going to see there's nothing about what they did.

02:31:19.000 Well, that would be contributing to the conspiracy.

02:31:21.000 Yeah, I guess.

02:31:22.000 Mr. Malice.

02:31:23.000 Yeah.

02:31:24.000 They don't want to do that in The Guardian.

02:31:27.000 Who knows?

02:31:29.000 Why would they need Venezuela?

02:31:30.000 Another awesome chapter of Game of Thrones.

02:31:30.000 We'll find out.

02:31:34.000 I mean, I still don't understand.

02:31:39.000 A lot of people are butthurt correctly that we shouldn't be doing regime change, but the regime didn't change.

02:31:45.000 We just got rid of one guy and kidnapped him and brought him to America. 0.64

02:31:45.000 Right. 0.64

02:31:49.000 But like, if you get rid of Trump, Vance becomes president.

02:31:52.000 You're not changing the government at all.

02:31:54.000 So like, what are we doing here?

02:31:54.000 Right.

02:31:56.000 I don't know.

02:31:57.000 Here's a discussion in the Journal of Democracy about how Maduro stole Venezuela's vote.

02:32:02.000 That is very widely accepted as realistic.

02:32:04.000 Right.

02:32:05.000 That is, I'm seeing these keywords that are popping out as the same stuff I'm hearing in our election dispute.

02:32:10.000 Ballot receipts, people checking voter polls.

02:32:15.000 Later that evening, people saying that that's not what I did.

02:32:19.000 It's a lot.

02:32:21.000 Right.

02:32:21.000 The other question is, what's going on with Iran?

02:32:24.000 Well, it looks like we're about to go in.

02:32:26.000 Are you sure?

02:32:26.000 Are we?

02:32:27.000 Well, they're preparing.

02:32:29.000 But I mean, that's always great to shake your head.

02:32:31.000 Shadow saber rattling.

02:32:34.000 So it's like, like, it's, I feel, I feel like all of us are like looking around being like, what's what the fuck is going on?

02:32:43.000 Yeah, every day.

02:32:44.000 Every day is what the fuck is going on.

02:32:46.000 And you're just trying to like live a normal life.

02:32:46.000 Right.

02:32:48.000 Yes.

02:32:49.000 Which is what everybody really wants, but they're preventing you from doing that with constantly being assaulted by new information that scares the shit out of you.

02:32:56.000 And it's also, there's no context for us to understand this.

02:32:59.000 Like we understand the Saddam situation, right? 0.77

02:33:01.000 You go in, you conquer a country, kill a lot of people.

02:33:04.000 It's a nightmare bloodbath that was unnecessary.

02:33:06.000 Saddam gets hanged. 0.78

02:33:07.000 We know that story.

02:33:08.000 Like we're just going to come in, pull out one guy who's the president and leave and his wife and everything will go back.

02:33:15.000 It's just like I remember the Democrats are like, what do we say to this?

02:33:19.000 This has never happened before.

02:33:20.000 Yeah, I don't know, man.

02:33:22.000 I'm just overwhelmed.

02:33:24.000 I think I share the feeling that most Americans have right now.

02:33:27.000 We're just every day you're like, what the fuck is going on?

02:33:30.000 But I feel like it's escalating.

02:33:33.000 Wasn't this crazy during his first term?

02:33:35.000 No, no, no.

02:33:35.000 The world is escalating.

02:33:37.000 Venezuelan oil gets shipped to Israel for the first time in years.

02:33:37.000 What is this?

02:33:37.000 Yes.

02:33:44.000 Oh, boy.

02:33:45.000 That happened last week.

02:33:45.000 So I'm just looking up, we assumed control of the country, I think, and so on.

02:33:50.000 Did we?

02:33:51.000 I think we got their oil, right?

02:33:52.000 They've found a better way to have people run it, but I don't know that.

02:33:55.000 Well, that was the other thing that Trump said.

02:33:56.000 What are you going to do with the oil tanker?

02:33:58.000 We're going to keep it.

02:33:59.000 Yeah.

02:33:59.000 It's like, what?

02:34:00.000 Like, how do we get to do this?

02:34:03.000 Like, if you were.

02:34:04.000 They're sending the oil to Israel.

02:34:08.000 So Venezuela is saying it's fake.

02:34:10.000 Venezuela plans to send its first shipment of crude oil to Israel in 17 years, part of opening up the country's exports following the U.S. abduction of President Nicholas Maduro.

02:34:19.000 I did have to go to probably not a great source, the Middle East.

02:34:22.000 Well, Bloomberg's a rep. That's the one I couldn't get past the U.S.

02:34:22.000 I don't know.

02:34:27.000 But it seems like it's the same story.

02:34:29.000 Jerusalem Post, yeah, they're not going to be lying about this stuff.

02:34:31.000 First shipment to Israel.

02:34:33.000 Well, I think all they're saying is they've restored relations between Venezuela and Israel.

02:34:36.000 Well, they probably control relations now.

02:34:38.000 It's essentially the U.S. is probably in control of their oil distribution.

02:34:41.000 Oh, I think that's explicit, isn't it?

02:34:44.000 yeah but it's still like well that was the other thing is bringing in all these companies They're all going to do it.

02:34:48.000 But apparently, their oil is very difficult to acquire.

02:34:53.000 Yeah, their oil is not like simple, like Texas oil, dig a hole in the ground, pull it out.

02:34:58.000 It's like, it's all, it has to be processed with all these chemicals.

02:35:02.000 It's apparently like the consistency of asphalt.

02:35:05.000 And it has to be broken down.

02:35:05.000 Okay.

02:35:07.000 It's very expensive.

02:35:09.000 This is why, was it the CEO of Exxon?

02:35:13.000 One of the companies said that it would never work.

02:35:15.000 Oh.

02:35:16.000 Yeah, that the infrastructure is not in place.

02:35:19.000 You know, and then Trump was upset at him for being a negative dance.

02:35:22.000 I just, I think anytime you start to chat.

02:35:26.000 Did you really?

02:35:28.000 Whenever you start talking about regime change, that's something that's very scary historically.

02:35:32.000 And always turns bad.

02:35:34.000 Yeah.

02:35:34.000 Like Libya and all these other places.

02:35:36.000 Yeah.

02:35:37.000 Iraq.

02:35:38.000 Yeah.

02:35:38.000 All this.

02:35:39.000 So it's just like never good.

02:35:41.000 Like, yeah, but then at the same time, we're like, what do we, what do we do?

02:35:46.000 Like, what's plan B?

02:35:47.000 Gavin Newsom?

02:35:48.000 Do you know what I mean?

02:35:49.000 What's he going to do?

02:35:50.000 Right, whatever.

02:35:51.000 Senior Trump administration officials have vowed to maintain control over Venezuelan oil experts for an indefinite period.

02:35:57.000 Indefinite.

02:35:58.000 It's weird.

02:35:59.000 In quotes.

02:36:00.000 Secretary of State Marco Rubio claiming that the Venezuelan acting government headed by Del C. Rodriguez needs to submit a budget request before accessing the country's oil proceeds.

02:36:11.000 Whoa.

02:36:15.000 So we just took over Venezuela, essentially.

02:36:17.000 Yeah.

02:36:18.000 No, we just took over their oil.

02:36:20.000 Yeah, but also the country.

02:36:21.000 It's like the people still being oppressed as hell.

02:36:23.000 Yeah, but the government essentially is like we're running that government.

02:36:27.000 I don't think we are though.

02:36:28.000 We probably tell them what they can and can't do.

02:36:30.000 No, I think that's the thing that they're still.

02:36:31.000 It's just the oil.

02:36:32.000 Right.

02:36:34.000 Can I talk about something fun?

02:36:35.000 Yeah.

02:36:36.000 I am finishing a project I've been working on for 25 years.

02:36:40.000 Whoa.

02:36:41.000 So I'm excited to talk to you about it.

02:36:41.000 Yeah.

02:36:43.000 What is it?

02:36:44.000 So there was this band from the 80s who were called Rubber Rodeo that combined punk and country.

02:36:51.000 Right.

02:36:52.000 And I was looking at this compilation that I got in 1994.

02:36:57.000 I sent Jamie the picture.

02:36:59.000 And I was staring at this photo trying to make heads or tails of this band because can you pull it up?

02:37:05.000 You'll show you the photo.

02:37:05.000 You'll see what I mean by it.

02:37:06.000 Because there are a bunch of kids in these like kind of square dancing uniforms with no affect on their face whatsoever.

02:37:15.000 And the singer, she's in this Dolly Parton wig and this big square dancing dress and just staring right at the viewer. 0.83

02:37:22.000 I'm like, are they joking?

02:37:23.000 Like, what's up with these people?

02:37:25.000 And I met them and they were art school kids.

02:37:28.000 They were not joking.

02:37:29.000 They were, there it is, that photo.

02:37:31.000 So you see, I'm stare.

02:37:32.000 I'm like, are they kidding?

02:37:33.000 Are they not kidding that?

02:37:34.000 Her name's Trish.

02:37:36.000 And this is from the 80s.

02:37:37.000 This is from the 80s.

02:37:38.000 They got signed the same day as Bon Jovi by the same guy.

02:37:43.000 And he said, I'm taking you both to number one.

02:37:45.000 So I wrote a screenplay about them because it's kind of like a spinal tap story because they're on stage at punk clubs doing jokes like, hey, Bob, I'm exhausted.

02:37:54.000 Why are you exhausted, Bob?

02:37:55.000 Oh, the couple in the next hotel room were up all night eating candy bars.

02:37:58.000 Candy bars.

02:37:59.000 Yeah, she kept yelling, oh, Henry, oh, Henry, right?

02:38:02.000 So it's this complete, like, what are you even doing here?

02:38:06.000 But the guy who did the keyboards for the band did the animation for American Splendor.

02:38:15.000 And through him, I met Harvey Picar, who later wrote a book about me in 2006.

02:38:20.000 Is he that guy that went nuts on Letterman?

02:38:24.000 I'm so glad you know who Harvey is.

02:38:26.000 Yeah.

02:38:26.000 So Harvey started the idea.

02:38:28.000 He's a comic book guy, right?

02:38:29.000 Right.

02:38:30.000 He started the idea of writing autobiographical comics in the 70s.

02:38:34.000 From off the streets of Cleveland, Here Comes American Splendor.

02:38:36.000 It's an ironic title because his life was not exactly very splendid.

02:38:40.000 He was a file clerk, kind of a miserable person.

02:38:43.000 He hated being called a curmudgeon.

02:38:46.000 And amazingly, when the film came out in 2000 and was it 2000?

02:38:51.000 I think it was something like that.

02:38:52.000 2001.

02:38:55.000 He flew back to New York to do Stern.

02:38:57.000 And the producer of the film, Ted Hope, sent out an email that said, Harvey's in town with nothing to do.

02:39:03.000 If you want to hang out with him, this is your chance.

02:39:06.000 And I'm the only person who took him up on it.

02:39:09.000 And I go there and he's on his bed.

02:39:11.000 And he, spoiler alert, he died in 2010 on my birthday, which was not a fun email to get.

02:39:17.000 Anyway, and he's like, he's, yeah, he's got this really weird way of talking.

02:39:20.000 He's like, I'm really fucked up, man.

02:39:22.000 And I point out to him, since everything in his life was a disaster, his movie got a wide release the weekend of the blackout.

02:39:30.000 There was this big fucking black guy.

02:39:31.000 He's like, oh, God damn it.

02:39:34.000 And that was the weekend I had a fish tank.

02:39:36.000 And I'm trying to keep them alive with no electricity.

02:39:39.000 And it did not work out.

02:39:41.000 So he wrote a book about me.

02:39:43.000 And that screenplay fell by the wayside.

02:39:46.000 But because it's kind of like Spinal Tap, you know, it's this kind of funny story about, you know, when you're young and anyone out there who's listening to this, when you're young, go for it.

02:39:55.000 Be stupid.

02:39:56.000 If you're going to fail, it's okay.

02:39:57.000 It's still something exciting to try and to do, which they certainly did.

02:40:02.000 And now I'm like, wait a minute, this converts to a graphic novel very easily.

02:40:06.000 There's a guy named Eric July who has this whole kind of empire.

02:40:09.000 He did a Kickstarter.

02:40:10.000 He made like a million for his first one.

02:40:12.000 It's called The Ripper Verse.

02:40:14.000 And now they're at a point where you don't have to go through DC or Marvel to produce your product.

02:40:19.000 So I'm super excited about it.

02:40:22.000 Again, I started this in 2000.

02:40:25.000 And now it's finally 26 years later coming to fruition.

02:40:28.000 So unwantedbook.com.

02:40:31.000 All right.

02:40:31.000 I'm just really kind of, it's very intense.

02:40:34.000 Because here's the other thing.

02:40:36.000 I was at Gold's and I had basically what was the opposite of a nervous breakdown where all the parts of my brain slid into place where I realized this story I wrote in 2001, what happens if you do all these things, try to be original and go nowhere.

02:40:52.000 Like those are my fears when I was starting out.

02:40:55.000 What if I end up like them, have nothing to show for it?

02:40:59.000 And 25 years later, that experiment's been run.

02:41:01.000 You know, I could pay my rent as a kind of creative person.

02:41:03.000 And if they were around today, they could probably pay the rent because it's much easier as a band to kind of build an audience.

02:41:10.000 But it's a very funny story, but it's also a very dark one.

02:41:13.000 And it's largely true. 0.81

02:41:15.000 All right.

02:41:15.000 So I'm just stoked that I guess.

02:41:17.000 Ended on the happy note.

02:41:18.000 Yeah.

02:41:19.000 Thanks, buddy.

02:41:19.000 Thank you.

02:41:20.000 Always good to see you.

02:41:21.000 Always a pleasure.

02:41:21.000 Congratulations on the face pink.

02:41:23.000 I'll wait to listen to the next one.

02:41:24.000 Oh, no.

The Joe Rogan Experience - February 19, 2026

Joe Rogan Experience #2457 - Michael Malice

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