00:00:16.000So when your husband Andrew came in here, he told me about your book, and then I talked to you, and you seem very interesting, and you gave me a little brief synopsis of it.
00:00:25.000And so then I listened to it on audio tape, and it's fucking crazy.
00:00:29.000And it is the occult feminism, the secret history of women's liberation.
00:00:35.000You know, I didn't really have much of an opinion on feminism.
00:00:39.000My opinion was, you know, unfortunately, you run into some feminists that just seem did not like men for whatever reason.
00:00:47.000And, you know, there's a lot of people in this world that aren't happy with their position or station in life.
00:00:52.000But I didn't really think too much into how this all got started until I listened to your book.
00:00:59.000And I'm like, this is kind of bonkers.
00:01:01.000So before we get into your book, like, how did you decide to write about this?
00:01:12.000So when I was growing up, I was like in all the advanced kid classes.
00:01:17.000And from the time I was in like kindergarten, it was just pounded into my head, like, you're going to college, you're going to have a career.
00:01:24.000You know, you're smart and you have to do something with that.
00:01:27.000It was like the only option that was put before me.
00:01:29.000And so I followed that path like all the way through school.
00:01:32.000And by the time I got done with 12 years of regular school, I realized a couple things.
00:01:37.000One is school is not where you go to learn things.
00:01:40.000School isn't public school is not so great for smart people for the most part.
00:01:46.000And that I really didn't like, like another four years of school just sounded like hell to me.
00:01:52.000And I really just wanted to get married and have kids.
00:01:55.000That's kind of what I always wanted to do, much to the horror of my Marxist feminist mother, who did not like.
00:03:27.000It was just like he's an evil white patriarchist, bad, bad Republican man.
00:03:32.000One of my earliest memories is them fighting over the Bush Dukakis election in 88 and like threatening to lock each other in the house so that the one couldn't cancel the other one's vote and stuff.
00:04:57.000She couldn't just huff paint like normal person.
00:05:00.000Very open about her struggles with alcohol and addiction to amphetamines to reduce the stigma surrounding these issues, later detailing these experiences in her books.
00:05:17.000And so I'd spend time with dad and I'd spend time with mom.
00:05:20.000And I had two completely different realities and worldviews.
00:05:24.000And I think growing up like that, you're trying to sort out what's true.
00:05:28.000You're trying to figure out, like, is there any merit to what mom's saying the world is or any merit to what dad's saying the world is?
00:05:34.000And I think dad was more persuasive and better at pulling me his direction because I never really absorbed, like, I always thought Marxism was, you know, faking gay and stupid.
00:05:58.000Some people have natural gifts and talents.
00:06:01.000And to think that, because my mother would literally say stuff in the house, like from, you know, from each person according to their ability to each person according to their need.
00:06:10.000And I was like, even when I do that in class, like if there's a group project, everybody wants me on their team because I'm the smart kid who's going to do the homework.
00:06:18.000I end up doing everything and everybody else gets the A, even though I did everything.
00:06:22.000Those are the people that are really into socialism.
00:06:26.000And so like from being a little kid, I even noticed like, no, things aren't equal and things aren't always fair.
00:06:33.000And it depends on, you know, your natural skills and abilities and then what you do with those things because there's lots of people.
00:06:41.000Like my mother was super talented, really intelligent person, but she was so like emotionally chaotic, she never applied them to anything.
00:06:48.000She never really got anywhere or did anything.
00:06:50.000She had big dreams of what she thought she should have and never really got there because she was so like emotionally unregulated and kind of chaotic.
00:06:59.000So I just kind of saw that, no, there's not this like thing where you can just even the playing field and make it all equal for everyone.
00:07:08.000There's also a thing that if you're locked up in something like Marxism, if that's your ideology, you're in this constant struggle with the rest of the world all the time.
00:08:11.000I got robbed of it because whatever reason.
00:08:14.000And often it was like, if I was more attractive, the men at work would have given me a raise if I looked like the other woman in the office or something.
00:08:23.000So it was like this bitter, resentful, she was kind of like at war with the world.
00:08:28.000So seeing those two things, neither of my parents are perfect.
00:08:34.000But it was kind of like, I'd rather play over here where there's a purpose for me working hard and giving it my best shot and trying in life and figuring out what's important to me and then tailoring, you know, all my efforts toward that.
00:08:48.000And I just thought that having a family was so cool.
00:08:53.000And I wanted to have the family I didn't have.
00:08:55.000So I had this dream of like getting married, having kids, having an intact family and making it like a place where kids can grow up without all the screaming and yelling and chaos that I had and that a lot of kids have nowadays.
00:09:22.000And I was kind of like, we'll see, you know.
00:09:25.000It is very weird that we're convinced that the only way to get educated is by an official institution with all the information that's available now.
00:09:33.000I mean, even back then, like, that's the whole premise of goodwill hunting.
00:09:38.000Like, you can get very smart from a public library.
00:09:40.000You really don't need, it's just the books are available for everyone.
00:09:44.000The information is available for everyone if you chase it down.
00:09:47.000It's not like the only people that get any information are the ones who go to these colleges.
00:09:52.000It's one of the biggest lies that education, like we can just educate everyone.
00:09:57.000The problem is we're not educated enough.
00:09:58.000And if everyone had enough access to education, everyone would be intelligent.
00:10:07.000It's not an information problem, right?
00:10:09.000I had a teacher in high school that said something.
00:10:12.000I don't know if this is his quote or he was quoting someone else, but he said, education is something that allows you to get along without intelligence.
00:10:19.000And intelligence is something that allows you to get along without education.
00:10:52.000Like, if that, if it was anything else, if you're talking about the economy, if you're talking about the political process, that guy would think the other guy was a moron.
00:11:28.000He was the only person that when I graduated, I said, I don't think I want to go to college for this.
00:11:34.000I don't think that's what I want to do.
00:11:35.000Like any of the things I'm looking at when I think about like having a career in that thing, I'm not very excited about it.
00:11:43.000I don't, I don't get like, ooh, hyped up to go do this.
00:11:46.000I was like, I really just kind of want to, you know, maybe someday, but I would love to have a bunch of kids and stuff.
00:11:52.000And my dad was like, you know, a lot of the people in my office have degrees and, you know, they have careers and some of them are very miserable people.
00:12:00.000So if you don't want to do that, he's like, you could always decide to go later.
00:12:04.000So I was like, I kind of like bargained with everyone.
00:12:06.000I was like, I'm just going to give it a year.
00:13:09.000Because I am going to go drop her off at two weeks old and let some lady who doesn't know or care about or love my baby the way that I do take care of her all day long.
00:13:21.000You know, if you factor in the commute, it's like nine, nine and a half hours that I'm away from her.
00:13:25.000By the time I get home and feed her and give her a bath, it'll be bedtime.
00:14:01.000Even the like Christian conservative women that were friends and family members were like, well, you don't want to depend on a man because then you're going to get abused.
00:14:10.000They fear-mongered me to death about staying home with my kids.
00:14:14.000And at the time, this was my high school boyfriend who I had my first child with.
00:14:20.000Because I was kind of a libertarian at this stage.
00:14:22.000And both my parents, at this point, my parents have multiple divorces between the two of them.
00:14:27.000And I always, I know, I always heard, oh, marriage is just a piece of paper.
00:14:31.000What really matters is that you love each other and that sort of thing.
00:14:35.000And I'd known this guy since we were kids.
00:15:11.000And I still thought that there was something wrong here, but I hadn't really like looked into where do we get this idea that women must be working.
00:15:22.000She is going to be turning 100 April 1st, my grandma, who's still with us.
00:15:26.000And she's probably my ace in the hole.
00:15:28.000And the reason I kind of turned out normal despite my chaotic family upbringing, because she was super grounded, nice Christian lady, only an eighth grade education, but she knew how to do everything.
00:15:40.000She'd go out back and like pluck a chicken, cook it up for dinner, can everything in the garden, preserve all the food.
00:15:46.000And she had more done by 8 a.m. than most human beings on earth.
00:15:49.000So I had like grandma as a pillar to really help me through this stuff.
00:17:06.000When you're looking at a woman that's entering into the workforce, who's really intelligent, you start thinking, oh, she's going to have a career.
00:18:29.000And it's one of the, it's actually, nobody wants to talk about this.
00:18:32.000This is the conversation no one's ready for.
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00:20:30.000I have, but I'd love to hear you talk about it.
00:20:32.000So, prior to the 1970s, we had 5% of mothers with school-aged kids working outside the home.
00:20:40.000And for all of human history, even during the Industrial Revolution, you know, 17, 18, 1900s, like you said, in the 40s and 50s, you could be a janitor and support a family and have four kids on one income.
00:20:54.000And something shifted in the 1970s, and it's never shifted back.
00:20:58.000So it can't be like how the stock market's doing.
00:21:01.000It can't really be like all these other independent economic factors that have shifted and changed and been so different over the course of the last 50 years.
00:21:09.000The one big thing that we changed is we pushed women into college and into the workforce.
00:21:15.000And by the 1980s, they were on par with men in workforce participation.
00:21:22.000So in the span of about 20 years, we almost doubled the labor force by pushing all the women in.
00:21:31.000So now you are stuck in a two-income trap where even women who want to stay home and even dads who would love to have their wife home with their kids, it's really tough.
00:21:40.000So why did women entering the workforce keep men's wages stable or keep them from going up along with the inflation?
00:21:48.000It really fundamentally changed the economy.
00:21:51.000I have a friend named Aaron Clary who wrote a book about this.
00:21:55.000It's an analysis of what he calls a female-based economy, where it's more consumer-driven.
00:22:01.000Women are like responsible for 80% of consumer spending.
00:22:04.000And now that they're all educated and in the job market, we have a lot more of things like HR departments, psychology, sociology.
00:22:12.000Like the economy shifted away from being like manufacturing and production and more male-dominated things to we have all these women coming out of university.
00:22:22.000And, you know, they, what do they get degrees in?
00:22:25.000I think 80% of psychology degrees are earned by women.
00:22:28.000And then despite all our efforts to push women into STEM, they're still like maybe 20% of STEM degrees.
00:22:35.000So we have all these very educated women and we have a lot of kind of fluffy jobs, like office jobs, HR jobs, social media managers.
00:22:45.000And mostly women do a lot of the same things they used to do in the home.
00:22:57.000They're doing a lot of the stuff they used to do, which the Marxist feminists called unpaid labor, right?
00:23:04.000This is the myth of women's unpaid labor.
00:23:06.000So instead of cleaning your own house, educating your own children, cooking meals for your family, maybe for your parents or grandparents who can't cook for themselves, all the things we used to do for our own family, clerical work, bookkeeping for your husband's business, things like that.
00:23:21.000We're doing those things for corporations.
00:23:24.000So that, and this was kind of by design.
00:23:27.000A lot of the book is about the fact that there were people who pushed feminism, and it wasn't because women were oppressed and they cared about the position of women necessarily.
00:23:37.000It's because the same people who pushed the 19th Amendment and pushed progressivism and feminism were the same people who drafted the Federal Reserve legislation, came up with the income tax, came up with the compulsory education system.
00:23:53.000And especially on the Marxist side, they pushed feminism because they said if we can push mothers and women into the workforce and we double the workforce, workers of the world unite.
00:24:05.000So it's like we have this huge workforce.
00:24:07.000through the university systems, we can kind of propagandize the young women to be socialists and to be Marxists because they kind of tend that way anyway.
00:24:16.000The way that women's brains work is very like communitarian for a reason.
00:24:25.000Like I go over in the book how you can just read the writings of these people and they tell you.
00:24:29.000August Babel, Alexander Kohlentai, Margaret Fuller, like all these early 1800s writers were saying we need to get women away from the home and away from being mothers and push them into the workplace because then we can politicize them, we can motivate them into becoming revolutionaries.
00:24:48.000And that's how we'll get the numbers to make this work.
00:24:53.000So now, instead of staying home with your kids and doing all these things for your family, for your community, you're doing them for a corporation.
00:25:01.000You're paying income tax, you're paying all the other taxes associated with having to work outside the home, gas tax, because you're driving back and forth to work, payroll taxes, all that kind of stuff.
00:25:13.000And you are away from your kids all day.
00:25:17.000They go to public schools where the public school system then can dictate to them what the values should be, how, you know, what the worldview should be instead of the parents.
00:25:55.000It's the biggest social revolution in all of human history, and it happened in one century.
00:26:00.000We took the whole social order that was in every culture around the world for all of the rest of time that's recorded, and we flipped it upside down and completely changed it in one century.
00:26:13.000Everything about your life is different now because of feminism in ways that you don't even think about.
00:26:19.000You know, the way that you act in the workplace, the way that legislation works, the way that school systems work, like every single thing about life has changed as a downstream result of feminism and pushing this model of women's equality, which it's really not.
00:26:50.000But that's because they don't know the real history.
00:26:52.000And the reason they don't know the real history is because when they invented gender studies and women's studies, which were created by the Ford Foundation with some help from the Rockefellers and the Carnegies in the late 60s, they literally rewrote the history of how women's suffrage happened.
00:27:10.000So there's a professor named Joseph Miller who did an examination of 12, the main 12 textbooks that are most commonly used in all the Western universities to teach women's history.
00:27:21.000And he's not even like a right-winger.
00:27:23.000He's like a liberal college professor.
00:27:26.000But when he looked and examined those 12 textbooks and compared them to the actual writings, you know, newspaper articles, writings of feminists themselves, public debates held between suffragists and anti-suffragists,
00:27:39.000all of the writings of anti-suffragist groups, which far outnumbered pro-suffragist groups, he found that they left out huge chunks of what really happened or intentionally misrepresented what actually happened on purpose to kind of sell feminism as something different than what it really was.
00:28:01.000So the most important thing they left out was that women did not want women's liberation.
00:28:07.000They, yes, everybody assumes and believes that it was a grassroots thing that women kind of looked around in the 19th century and they went, you know, we're oppressed.
00:28:45.000When the so we had this big fight in the late 1800s between pro-suffrage groups and anti-suffrage groups, most women in the United States and England, if they were a member of either, they far outnumbered by joining the anti-suffrage groups.
00:29:35.000Some of the first universities in the United States were exclusively female universities and seminaries and secondary schools.
00:29:43.000More women actually probably had the opportunity to go than men because men always had to work in the fields, in the mines, go to war, build the infrastructure of the nation, work on railroads.
00:29:54.000So women were seen as like, well, you're going to be teaching the kids, so you should probably do a little extra education.
00:30:01.000Whereas Jimmy and Billy, they need to work the farm with dad.
00:30:06.000So there was never any law that prohibited women from higher education.
00:30:10.000What happens, what feminists do, they rely on framing.
00:30:13.000So they'll say, because there weren't co-ed universities, because it was women's universities and then men had separate ones, it was mostly segregated.
00:30:23.000They'll say women didn't have equal access to education.
00:30:27.000Were the better schools men's schools?
00:30:30.000In fact, I'd say, so I guess you could say some, there were a handful of Ivy League institutions that didn't let women into certain programs, but it was mostly like medical stuff, things like that.
00:30:43.000And that had already changed before the passage of the 19th Amendment.
00:30:47.000Women were already being led into Ivy League education, being allowed to do biology and become doctors.
00:30:54.000Many of the women in my book who were first wave suffragists had degrees, had educations.
00:31:00.000The other one is like women weren't allowed to like leave the house.
00:31:03.000They weren't allowed to, you know, sex out of wedlock or children out of wedlock.
00:31:08.000most of the women in my book who were traveling the world promoting women's suffrage had children out of wedlock, had extramarital affairs, or multiple sex partners, or were even lesbians, open lesbians, touring the world, making money, giving speeches, writing pamphlets and tracts, raising money for the suffrage movement.
00:31:52.000That gave women the right to vote, right?
00:31:54.000So there were women that said, I don't want the right to vote.
00:31:58.000Why wouldn't you just want the right to vote, even keeping a traditional household, like the right to have a say if it's about the world, it's about the United States, it's about our laws and how we're going to govern?
00:32:11.000So I'll tell you what their reasoning was.
00:32:14.000They said, we're going to lose a lot of the protection and provision that we currently enjoy.
00:32:19.000So for example, in the state of New York in the 1800s, as a woman entering a marriage, if you had money, if you had an inheritance that came with you when you got married, if your husband cheated on you or left or divorced you, he couldn't take any of that.
00:32:34.000Your inheritance was protected from your husband leaving and taking it.
00:32:40.000And only men could be held responsible for debt.
00:32:44.000And there was something called breadwinner laws that the courts, it was like a systemic law.
00:33:11.000People believe women couldn't own anything.
00:33:14.000And the reason they say that is because once you were married, you were considered one legal entity.
00:33:19.000But even then, a married man in the state of New York in 1800 couldn't sell a property that was owned after he was married without his wife's written consent.
00:33:30.000And the court had to be assured that she was not being like coerced into it.
00:33:35.000So there were already like the anti-suffragists themselves argued, we kind of have everything we want.
00:33:41.000You know, we have like most of the benefits of this, you know, they didn't call it a patriarchy, but what we would call a patriarchy, they said, we're the primary beneficiaries of this system.
00:34:26.000It was like a Christian movement to ban alcohol.
00:34:30.000And women didn't have the right to vote, but they got prohibition passed, which was huge.
00:34:35.000Like it was one of those things that nobody thought was even going to happen.
00:34:38.000And it happened largely because of their political motivation.
00:34:42.000And the reason that it worked is because they could go to Congress or they could go to the Senate and say, we're not a political voting bloc.
00:34:49.000We have a moral high ground from which to ask for these things because you can't buy our vote.
00:34:55.000You can't, you know, like offer us things and kind of seduce us into voting for you based on promising us things that we want.
00:35:04.000And they didn't want to lose that because they felt like they had a lot of influence.
00:35:08.000And the things they predicted would happen, the anti-suffragists said, you're going to see a lot of divorce.
00:35:15.000You're going to see broken up families because it's going to pit husband and wife against each other, just like it did with my parents, where you've got, you know, mom wants to vote for the Democrat, dad wants to vote for the Republican or vice versa.
00:35:55.000There's laws that are being, why would that.
00:35:58.000Well, I think one of the problems we have when we look back at history is the fallacy of presentism.
00:36:03.000We're looking at it through like our eyes now with all of the presuppositions that we have about the world kind of baked in.
00:36:10.000And at this time, so in 1920, people don't realize that men had only universally gotten the right to vote very shortly before women got it.
00:36:20.000So in the UK, most men couldn't vote until about 10 years before women got the vote in the UK.
00:36:26.000There was all kinds of restrictions on voting in the United States for men.
00:36:54.000It wasn't like all men could always vote and no women could ever vote.
00:36:59.000And at the time of trying to pass suffrage, there were already a few states in the West that had granted women suffrage, like Utah and Wyoming.
00:37:08.000And Utah is a fun case because it was mostly settled by Mormons at the time.
00:37:14.000And there was this big fight between the feds and the state of Utah because the feds did not, they were like, this polygamy thing is getting really popular out there and it's going to cause us some problems.
00:37:24.000And they want to give women the right to vote.
00:37:26.000And the Mormons thought if we give women the right to vote, we can keep polygamy because they're going to vote for it because it's beneficial to them in whatever ways that the LDS church thought it was.
00:37:36.000The feds were betting on the fact that, nah, I think if we give women the right to vote, they're going to say no more of this polygamy.
00:38:15.000And so women in Utah had suffrage granted and then had it removed for 50 years.
00:38:22.000It was from, I think it was about 1870 to 1920 that they didn't have the right to vote.
00:38:28.000And the anti-suffragists, this was a big deal.
00:38:31.000So pro-suffrage women would go to Utah and anti-suffrage women would go to Utah and they'd talk to the women and try to, because everyone's trying to get them on their side.
00:38:39.000And they kind of found that like women really didn't want to be involved in politics.
00:38:44.000They felt like we have so much going on at home.
00:40:18.000A lot of these women, like her and Elizabeth Cady Stanton, were kind of the two big figureheads in America.
00:40:23.000There were a lot of other important people, but those are the two most people have heard of.
00:40:27.000They're the ones who wrote the history of women's suffrage, which is this giant like multi-volume history that they wrote.
00:40:33.000Now, they wrote it from a very biased perspective to make themselves the rock stars of this movement.
00:40:39.000They wanted to be remembered in the history books as being these awesome, badass, kind of revolutionary, strong, independent women.
00:40:46.000They, in fact, came up with the strong, independent woman narrative that women were victims who needed to be unvictimized.
00:40:54.000They had other suffragists that they were trying to cut out of the history.
00:40:58.000When they were putting together this history of women's suffrage, Lucy Stone was one that said, wait a minute, you guys are leaving out huge chunks of important information, like the fact that our main support comes from men, progressive men, and socialist men and polygamist men.
00:41:16.000Like, why are you guys leaving this out?
00:41:18.000If you do it, like, everyone's going to know you just didn't mention any of that.
00:41:23.000Because at the time, it was like super well known.
00:41:25.000They had a lot of PR problems in the suffrage movement because it was known as something that prostitutes, socialists, Marxists, polygamists, and revolutionaries were into.
00:41:38.000And she was like, you can't leave that out.
00:41:41.000Maybe you don't like how it portrays us, but you got to include it.
00:41:45.000So they like reluctantly did include some of that, but they were going to try to leave it out altogether and frame it as we know it now as a fight of women against men.
00:41:55.000This fight of oppressed women against the oppressive patriarchy that was systemically trying to keep a boot on women's necks.
00:42:03.000And even their own colleagues were like, that ain't how it happened.
00:42:06.000It's crazy that progressive men were a problem even back then.
00:42:12.000The simp problem is always been a problem.
00:43:11.000Like the thing I found when I was looking into the histories of all these women, they were into the occult or very anti-Christian because they saw it as patriarchal and oppressive.
00:43:21.000They were usually con artists or scammers.
00:43:23.000So spiritualism and snake oil salesmen was like really big and popular at the time.
00:43:31.000She was wanted in like four different states for selling fake cancer cures to dying people and scamming them out of their money.
00:43:39.000And by pushing suffrage, she got a lot of people to fund her and give her money.
00:43:43.000And one of them was Cornelius Vanderbilt.
00:43:46.000And she would pretend to be able to contact the dead.
00:43:49.000She would say she could contact like ancient Greeks and all these spirits, like the spirit of Abraham Lincoln was coming to her in dreams and stuff.
00:43:57.000I don't think Cornelius believed that at all.
00:43:59.000But what he did know about her was that she did run a prostitution ring.
00:44:04.000And all her friends were hookers who worked the Wall Street gentleman.
00:44:09.000And so she basically had a spy network of prostitutes who would give her insider trading information.
00:44:15.000He used that to game the stock market on the first Black Friday, I think it was like 1889, for today's equivalent of $26 million, according to the New York Times.
00:44:27.000And when the New York Times interviewed him and said, how did you do, how did you come out 26 million?
00:44:34.000At the time, it was 1.3, but today's money, 26 million.
00:44:37.000How did you pull this off when everybody else has just lost their ass?
00:44:40.000And he said, do as I do, consult the spirits.
00:44:45.000So he said that this woman had contacted the dead and given him the tip that way.
00:44:50.000But it was really just she had a prostitution ring.
00:44:53.000So these were the people involved, okay?
00:44:57.000And this is what they were really doing.
00:44:59.000But when gender studies departments got a hold of this history, they're not going to tell you any of this.
00:45:04.000Their job was to become the PR branch in the universities to sell Marxism and feminism to young women to revolutionize and radicalize.
00:45:15.000And they had helped doing that from the CIA at the same time because we were in the midst of a Cold War.
00:45:26.000But according to the CIA at the time, they were trying to push Western liberalism as being superior to communism in Russia and the Eastern Bloc.
00:45:34.000So they thought feminism was good for that purpose.
00:45:38.000So they helped fund the beginning of Ms. Magazine.
00:45:43.000They made up like fake scholarships, one of which was given to Gloria Steinem, you know, and then they had her employed for years going around the world pushing feminism.
00:45:52.000So it was, it was never that the average woman was like, I want to vote.
00:45:57.000I want to listen to political debates.
00:45:59.000I want to learn about economics and foreign policy.
00:46:03.000I'm really concerned about these things.
00:46:05.000And I want to know and I want to vote.
00:46:07.000Women were concerned about things like having clean drinking water, clean milk, safe parks, less crime, all those sort of things.
00:46:18.000And one of the other things they predicted would happen, they said, if you give women the vote and you politicize us like this, it's all going to become, it's not going to be about the welfare of our children and communities anymore.
00:46:30.000It's going to be about things like abortion and birth control and what are the only women's issues that you ever hear about anymore in politics.
00:46:38.000The right to abortion and things like access to birth control, access to abortion.
00:46:43.000It's like the only thing you hear now.
00:46:46.000Where are all the women, even on the right, like fighting for the things they were fighting for 150 years ago?
00:46:52.000It's all about, you know, like even Trump, Trump frustrates me on this because he wants, he's like, we got to have more programs to get all the moms back to work.
00:47:31.000And yes, they have kids, but they have nannies and they have all the money in the world to like support them while they're off doing this sort of thing.
00:47:39.000But what happens to the average woman, the promise of feminism looks something like you're going to have the corner off.
00:47:45.000You're going to have the corner office and you're going to be in Paris over brunch having champagne and, you know, signing the ink on the next deal.
00:47:55.000And you're going to be doing all this exciting boss babe stuff.
00:47:58.000And then you can also have a kid and, you know, the nanny will take care of the kid while you're doing all this important stuff at work.
00:48:32.000It's weird that no one's talking about it.
00:48:34.000And there was always this narrative about overpopulation.
00:48:37.000And it's only been over the last decade or so that people start talking about population collapse and the catastrophic impacts of that, particularly on some foreign countries like South Korea, Japan.
00:48:51.000They're going to be, there won't be a South Korea in the near future if something radical doesn't happen over there.
00:48:57.000But this is, there's a whole nother chapter in the book dedicated to this whole thing and where this came from, the Malthusian population agenda.
00:49:06.000Margaret Sanger gave me nightmares writing the chapter about her.
00:49:10.000I literally had nightmares about her because she was so evil.
00:49:14.000It's hard to, everybody's heard what she said about black people by now.
00:49:19.000Oh, that they're the lowest of the low and we just need to get rid of them, that it would be best for humanity if we could just convince all of the lower races to just stop breeding.
00:49:27.000So they Planned Parenthood on purpose focused on African American and indigenous communities and poor whites too.
00:49:36.000But she was part of the Rockefeller Bureau for Social Hygiene.
00:49:48.000You can find clips of her on the internet now where they would interview her on the radio and she'd say, if it were up to me, nobody would ever have babies anymore.
00:49:56.000We just would stop having them because life is terrible and life is hard and it's suffering.
00:50:01.000And bringing children in the world is a terrible thing, especially she said the most, this is a famous quote of hers, the most kind thing a large family can do to one of its young members is to kill it.
00:50:15.000And her whole shtick was sold on lies.
00:50:35.000She told a fake story about a woman named Sadie Sachs who didn't know how she kept getting pregnant and the doctor refused to tell her because the bad male doctors just wanted the women to just keep having babies.
00:50:46.000So they refused to tell them how that worked.
00:50:58.000In fact, she said after my sister was born, her younger sister was the fourth kid in the family, the doctor told my parents, like, you guys need to be careful, like time things and like try because it's, you know, she had some health problems.
00:51:11.000And he's like, another baby might be risky.
00:51:13.000So if you want to avoid that, here's how you avoid that.
00:51:18.000People have known that since the beginning of time.
00:51:21.000Of course they have, but she wrote a whole book that purported to have thousands of letters from women around the world writing to Margaret Sanger saying, I'm only 23 and I'm on my 14th baby.
00:51:36.000She would, she, the numbers were insane.
00:51:39.000She was alleging that there were 23-year-olds who were on like their 11th pregnancy and dying from overbirth and that they just didn't know how to stop it.
00:51:48.000And so she was like, this is why we need abortion clinics is for this reason.
00:51:54.000Now, I looked into this because there's something called the Margaret Sanger Papers Project.
00:52:06.000Do you think out of the thousands of letters she said that she got from women saying, I just can't stop having all these babies and it's killing me and I'm miserable.
00:52:14.000How many do you think are preserved in the Margaret Sanger Papers Project?
00:52:23.000And I emailed them directly and I asked, seems weird.
00:52:28.000You guys have like literally letters that she wrote to her friends.
00:52:31.000You have like all this documentation on everything she ever did.
00:52:34.000Certainly if she was getting thousands of letters, you've got more than three.
00:52:37.000And they said, well, we think it was mostly lost to time or she sent them to abortion doctors to encourage them to keep going because, you know, people didn't like abortion doctors.
00:52:48.000So we think she sent it to a lot of abortion doctors to like, you know, give them a pep talk.
00:53:18.000I would love if, hey, if the Margaret Sanger Papers Project folks want to come and tell me like where all these are or if there's any proof of this, I would love to see it because I looked for two and a half years and couldn't find anything.
00:53:29.000In fact, the most popular Sanger biographer in the world who like knows everything about her admits that she lied about tons of stuff.
00:53:38.000She's like, oh, she lied about the Sadie Sachs story.
00:53:40.000She lied about why her mother really died.
00:53:42.000And she probably lied about, you know, those other stories and letters too.
00:53:47.000But she believed it was for a noble cause.
00:53:50.000She thought what she was doing was good.
00:53:52.000And the other big secret is she was getting a lot of money.
00:53:55.000She was getting paid by the Rockefeller Foundation and promoted by people like H.G. Wells, who she was also having an affair with.
00:54:33.000She let her ex-husband take the rap for her distributing illegal, illegal stuff about like abortion and birth control that the Comstock laws didn't allow that back then.
00:54:44.000So she was wanted in court and was going to be put in jail for distributing that stuff.
00:54:48.000She let her husband take the fall for it while she went to England and had affairs with people like H.G. Wells and Havelock Ellis.
00:54:54.000And they were all bisexual and they were all occultists and doing all this crazy stuff.
00:55:00.000But people, H.G. Wells called her the most incredible woman ever to live and said that she was going to have more impact on the future of humanity than any other person.
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00:56:51.000We're talking like right after Darwinism.
00:56:54.000We're talking about just before the Nazis.
00:56:56.000We're talking about the Kaiser Wilhelm Foundation.
00:56:59.000It was a very popular position to be in favor of social hygiene, as they called it, which was, you know, anybody with birth defects shouldn't be able to reproduce.
00:57:09.000Anybody of the lower races or inferior mentally, any of those kind of people shouldn't reproduce because we want, you know, a cleaner, better human race going forward.
00:57:23.000That's actually where the birth control pill came from as well.
00:57:27.000Margaret Sanger, the Rockefeller Foundation, the Kaiser Wilhelm Foundation, and a lot of Nazi scientists are the ones who started synthesizing human hormones to make birth control pills.
00:57:38.000And the way they sold that was they said, look, we know abortion is very unpopular.
00:57:48.000But, you know, if you let us have the birth control pill and you make it like widely available and socially acceptable, abortion will be a thing of the past.
00:59:27.000Because the real tinfoil hat people want to think that the CIA has been involved in every single social aspect, including like the rock and roll movement of the 1960s.
01:00:46.000We're going to have you tour the whole United States, do a media tour, start a magazine to promote women's rights, the things that you believe in.
01:00:53.000So it's a little more sneaky than everybody sitting in a dark back room and like plotting some evil plan to like make America into a feminist hellhole.
01:01:04.000It was more like, we're trying to promote liberal democracy around the world because it's part of the Cold War.
01:01:10.000You're really good at this feminism stuff.
01:01:12.000And if we can get a lot of women voting and if we can get them into universities and mobilize them as a political group, just similar to what they did with black people, convince blacks that you're all oppressed, you're all victims, and radicalize them and make them permanent Democrat voters.
01:01:30.000Same thing that they did with feminism.
01:01:32.000So they sent her to India where she worked for the Ford Foundation.
01:01:35.000Again, the same people who created gender studies.
01:01:39.000Learned a lot of interesting things over there in India.
01:05:09.000There's extensive writing from so many people in this movement about how, hey, if you can get women, young women, into universities, they're very easy to propagandize.
01:05:20.000They're very easy to program with whatever worldview you want to give them.
01:05:24.000And if you want to make them into revolutionaries, they make excellent revolutionaries.
01:05:28.000This is why right now you see women in Minnesota and Portland and LA going up to ICE agents and getting in their face and calling them names and, oh, you got a small dick, little man.
01:05:42.000If you're wondering why, why is it women?
01:05:45.000Why are women trying to like fight ICE agents in the streets?
01:05:48.000It's because we send them all to college.
01:05:50.000They get indoctrinated with this Marxist feminist worldview that masculinity is toxic and bad, that men are inherently violent and oppressive, and women are inherently like mother nature earth types who bring goodness and fairness into the world, make sure everyone has enough to eat.
01:06:09.000This is the like false dialectic that everyone gets taught.
01:06:13.000So they see what these women see when they see ICE arresting, even if it's a sex criminal who has warrants, they don't care.
01:06:21.000They see him as a sweet, innocent victim of the evil white patriarchy.
01:06:25.000That these are fascist Nazis coming to arrest the beautiful baby immigrants who are helpless and need protection from mommy.
01:06:44.000Let me send it to you, because it's quite funny because he's explaining how one of them, the one who wants to get back in the country, has committed five murders, but he thinks he needs a second chance, and they're 100% agreeing with him.
01:06:58.000It's like, it's one of the funniest things.
01:07:00.000It's like you just, you see how fucking kooky people are with this stuff.
01:07:06.000That it's not like, oh, wow, he's a bad person.
01:07:09.000It's like, no, in their little tiny, blinder-sided ideological bubble, anybody that gets deported should be brought in.
01:07:32.000Bring back illegal immigrants who were deported by ICE.
01:07:35.000We're with to bring them back in people.
01:07:36.000Can we get your signature for our petition?
01:07:38.000We just need your name and email address.
01:07:40.000Specifically, we're trying to bring back Edwin Hernandez from El Salvador.
01:07:45.000We do have to disclose to you, though, that he is an admitted member of MS-13, and he did kill five people back in El Salvador, but we think he deserves a second chance, and we want to get him back.
01:08:51.000By the time you get to high school, there's a few more, but I think it's like 80, 90% of school teachers are women.
01:08:56.000So they go to university, they go for education, and they almost inevitably end up getting some kind of women's studies course thrown in there.
01:09:04.000And so they're taught this worldview that white men are evil and oppressive to women, to minorities, to poor people.
01:09:12.000So they see Edwin Hernandez, whatever his name, well, sure, he murdered five people, but he wouldn't have done that if he wasn't poor and oppressed by the evil white patriarchy.
01:09:31.000It's just like the Democrats last night with their little reply to Trump's State of the Union, where they said the same thing.
01:09:37.000Oh, if you've been trying to protect your neighbors from the Gestapo who's coming to arrest them, we understand how stressful that is.
01:09:44.000They just create this completely false narrative.
01:09:47.000That's not how the world really works.
01:09:50.000Ask the average white man out there who he's oppressing because most of them are just working hard as Amazon delivery drivers or plumbers or sewage workers or something like that.
01:10:01.000The average white man has never had like this incredible amount of power.
01:10:29.000From the people who have the best interest in protecting me.
01:10:32.000My father, my husband, my brother, the men around me.
01:10:36.000Order to believe the feminist narrative that men have systemically just always wanted to keep women down and oppress them, you'd have to believe that they didn't care about their mothers, their daughters, their sisters, their grandmothers, their neighbor lady.
01:10:51.000Just all the men wanted to just systemically oppress the women so that they could have free maids and sex bot women at home.
01:11:00.000There was a ton of propaganda in the 70s as well about this.
01:11:03.000Remember the Stepford Wives movie where it was revealed in the movie plot that all the evil men in this nice suburban neighborhood full of white people, they all had sex bot wives.
01:11:38.000Life's a lot more complicated than that.
01:11:40.000But when you fill the university systems with this and then you fill the workplace with it, we've got HR, we've got Me Too, we've got all these systems in place now that actually promote feminism.
01:11:53.000It's far and away the dominant social aspect of the culture.
01:11:58.000Look at every female celebrity, every single one of them.
01:12:02.000Think of the top ones like Kylie Jenner, Taylor Swift, Beyonce, Katie Perry, any of the really popular female pop culture.
01:12:12.000They're all girl boss sexual liberation.
01:12:16.000Shitting on your ex-boyfriend, men ain't shit.
01:12:19.000I'm going to dominate him with my sexy physique and my sexual prowess.
01:12:24.000And it turns out that a lot of the ancient goddess worship, which was really popular with feminists in the 70s, there was a huge revival of that.
01:12:33.000A lot of the goddess archetypes that they brought back had those same themes.
01:12:38.000Like the goddess Kali, who's a Hindu goddess with eight arms and blue skin and a tongue hanging out of her mouth and all of her depictions in Hinduism, the feminists chose that and put it on the cover of the first issue of Ms. Magazine in 1973.
01:12:55.000That seems like a weird choice if you're trying to get suburban moms in 1973 to buy your magazine to put this blue-skinned, terrifying Hindu goddess on the cover.
01:13:06.000Well, because they had her holding an iron and a baby and like all these domestic things, right?
01:13:11.000And the goddess Kali symbolizes, at least two feminists, vengeance against men, taking back power from men and having your revenge on them because that goddess only accepts male sacrifice, male human sacrifice, especially on the battlefield.
01:13:26.000She like drinks the blood of deceased male warriors.
01:13:56.000This was the huge propaganda campaign to convince women that staying home and raising your own kids is actually horrific oppression and it's abuse and you're enslaved.
01:14:08.000You want to be at work working for your boss.
01:14:34.000I would say there's always been like 5% of women who are genuine outliers, who are really not cut out for motherhood, who can go out there and crush it, who are going to do something else.
01:14:43.000Historically, usually it was like maybe you would become a monastic, like a nun or something.
01:14:48.000Maybe you would run a boarding school or a tavern.
01:14:51.000Like women have owned businesses and done other things in almost every culture.
01:15:04.000And is that why they're going into something that really, maybe they're not that outlier and they wouldn't really be interested in it?
01:15:12.000You know, I was talking the other day about this video that I saw on Instagram a while back where there was this woman.
01:15:18.000She was talking about how when she was in college, she was dating this guy who was a Christian and he wanted a traditional family and he's like, I'll take care of you and I'll raise our kids.
01:15:53.000Well, the truth is that since this book came out a few years ago, I've paid a pretty high personal cost for putting this information out there.
01:16:01.000And in the first chapter, I say, look, I'm just going to present to you the actual facts about the history and what really happened because I think it's for you women to decide.
01:16:36.000I have been, the things that have been said about me, the lies and the gossip that have been spread like online, calling me everything under the sun, just wild, crazy rumors about my personal life that are not true.
01:19:25.000But I thought, so why does it say here, Sex in the City writer Candace Bush Nell 60 admits she regrets choosing a career or having children as she's now truly alone?
01:21:12.000Obviously, some women do and some women don't.
01:21:14.000And there's a lot of women who naturally maternally want to have children and want to have a family.
01:21:19.000And then it's also finding a guy that you can trust, that you care about and you think is going to stick with you and he's really going to be invested in this whole thing.
01:21:26.000And someone who's like a solid man who's not going to become an alcoholic and lose his job and fall apart.
01:21:36.000But that aside, for just a moment, Simone de Beauvoir, arguably the biggest feminist of Second Wave, the French intellectual who was buddies with Jean-Paul Sartre and they got in trouble for grooming underage kids and seducing them and all kinds of crazy stuff.
01:21:53.000But she's respected as the greatest feminist intellectual of the 20th century and she was super influential.
01:21:59.000And in a 1970s interview with Betty Friedan, she said, I don't believe that society should give women the opportunity or the choice to stay home and be mothers because if we do, they're all going to pick that.
01:22:12.000And I don't think it should be an option.
01:22:13.000So it was the view of the feminists that, yeah, and Susan B. Anthony and Elizabeth Cady Stanton said that.
01:22:21.000They said, we would have never passed suffrage had it not been for men.
01:22:26.000If it was ever left up to women alone, we would have never passed suffrage.
01:22:32.000Now, of course, from their view, they're like, well, it's because they're oppressed and they don't know that they hate their solid, their slavery yet.
01:22:39.000They just haven't realized how oppressed they are.
01:22:42.000And if they could see it, you know, for what it is, they wouldn't like it.
01:22:46.000But we couldn't convince them for a hundred years.
01:22:48.000We had to convince the men that don't you want your daughters to like have their own money and this and that.
01:22:55.000So the feminists themselves say women didn't want it.
01:22:59.000If we ever left it up to women, they wouldn't have ever chosen it.
01:23:03.000Sure, there would always have been a minority, but I would argue that the minority of women who fought for that were the ones that the status quo historically of get yourself a good man, have a family, stay home, it doesn't work for them.
01:23:19.000So like a lot of them, there's a book about this.
01:23:23.000Edward Dutton wrote a book about witches, feminism, and the fall of the west where he says traditionally, like women, the archetype of the witch being ugly and haggard and living on the outside of town, it's kind of historically accurate.
01:23:35.000Most of the feminists, like, have you ever seen a picture of Susan B. Anthony for example?
01:24:22.000Well, in some ways, I'm the weirdest person to be here talking about this because I grew up a tomboy and I have a lot of like people use this against me.
01:24:31.000They're like, oh, you're actually really masculine for a woman.
01:24:33.000You may not always look super masculine.
01:24:51.000But I think that when you grow up like that as a woman, you realize like, I'm really strong for a woman.
01:24:57.000I can deadlift 250 pounds for sets of five.
01:25:00.000But the guy next to me who has never trained in his life can do that too.
01:25:04.000And you give him six months in the gym and he's going to blow past me.
01:25:08.000You know, you just, you have a more realistic understanding of how that works.
01:25:13.000And I think that in the modern era, all the feminist side debate, they live in this world that we're sitting in this studio right now.
01:25:20.000And all this wonderful stuff that allows me to be here talking to you and talking to all the folks that are watching, the microphone, the technology, everything was built by men.
01:25:30.000You'll hear the Hedi Lamar thing that she came up with.
01:26:04.000Because the truth is women have had 100 years to get into that stuff and they just don't really want to.
01:26:09.000They'd rather be interior designers or psychologists or things that are, you know, about people and social dynamics and, you know, aesthetics and stuff like that.
01:27:02.000And I think women growing up in this era, they don't think about when they turn on the light switch in the morning, how that happens.
01:27:10.000When they get in their car and drive to work, they don't think about who built the road they're driving on, who built the cars or designed them or who changes their oil is all men.
01:27:18.000When they flush the toilet, they don't think about, hey, if that toilet backs up or the sewage, you know, the sewer treatment plant has a problem, it's going to be men that go in and fix it.
01:27:26.000If there's a hurricane or an ice storm, who's going to be back out in the dangerous weather trying to rescue people and get the power back on?
01:27:34.000I'm waiting for the feminists to come and rescue all the people from the floodwaters and to put the power lines back up after the tornadoes come through.
01:27:46.000They haven't shown up to do the dirty, dangerous, and difficult jobs that men do.
01:27:51.000And I'll believe them that what they want is equality when they start signing up for those jobs.
01:27:56.000Well, it's just such a bizarre perspective to think that it's not a huge task to raise children and to care for them and communicate with them and see to their emotional needs and help them solve things and figure things out and help them with their schoolwork and just normal stuff that is so crucial to the development of a child.
01:28:21.000And we've somehow, because there's no monetary, you can't like put a number on that, like how valuable it is, it's not valuable.
01:28:29.000If it's not bringing in money, if it's not contributing to the GDP.
01:28:39.000I just finished a huge project that I'm working on with Andrew, my excellent has a handsome husband, and Stephen Crowder, Dr. David Patrick Harry, and Rob Noor, who's a champion debater.
01:28:52.000We put together a feminist debate course that's coming out really soon.
01:29:07.000If you take it on, like one of the reasons I'm out here doing it is because when men try to argue against feminism or feminists, they immediately get slapped with you're a misogynist, you hate women, you're an incel, all the tropes.
01:29:30.000I mean, you could try to insult me, but it's not going to land the same as when you do that to a man.
01:29:35.000So we put together this course to try to help people deconstruct the framing that's been built, question all the founding axioms that feminism was this good, necessary, grassroots thing, that it's good for women, that if it ever went away, all the women would be chained to the stove in servitude, not allowed to learn how to read or drive a car.
01:29:57.000When you hear about like women's oppression in the Middle East, that's a result of Islam.
01:30:01.000In Christendom, that was never a thing.
01:30:03.000Like even in like ancient Christianity was one of the first places that women were really seen as full human beings.
01:30:10.000And a lot of it's because of the Theotokos, the mother of God, the Virgin Mary, being the ark of the new covenant that brought Christ into the world for man's salvation.
01:30:20.000She was even asked by an angel and she said, let it be so.
01:30:24.000Which is so bizarre that modern feminist women support Islam.
01:30:51.000It's so strange that something that goes against actual human nature somehow or another became the prevailing ideology amongst liberal women.
01:31:01.000The occult aspect of it was very shocking.
01:31:08.000When I started researching to put together the book, I thought it was going to be mostly about the funding of the feminist movement, the Jekyll Island Club, being the same guys that like went to the Jekyll Island in secret and put together the income tax and the Federal Reserve and the compulsory education system.
01:31:26.000I thought it would be mostly about that and the fact that women never wanted it, that women weren't the ones that just came together and demanded it.
01:31:34.000And then I started researching all the like popular figureheads and really reading their stuff because I was like, this is a very unpopular, I'm making pretty intense claims here.
01:31:45.000So I really have to be able to back it up and I better make sure I'm correct and I better make sure I'm accurate because whenever you're challenging a narrative this big, everyone's going to go through with a fine-tooth comb and try to see where I'm wrong or see if I'm lying or see if I'm twisting things.
01:31:59.000So I did two and a half years of just reading feminist literature.
01:32:07.000And what I found was, holy moly, most of these women, almost all, but certainly most, were into spiritualism, which was like a big 1800s movement of like trying to do seances and contact the dead and things like that.
01:32:25.000Theosophy, which combines like Eastern occult practices with like other Western traditions, ancient goddess worship, New Age stuff, and even Satanism and Luciferianism.
01:32:40.000In fact, in my book, I cite a book that's a PhD thesis by a professor from Norway.
01:32:58.000So he sees it as a good thing that the women of the 19th century openly declared Lucifer as their liberator and the mascot of their movement.
01:33:08.000Now you would look back and think these were Christian women because they were in like New England and stuff in the United States, Puritan communities and things like this.
01:33:18.000In fact, Elizabeth Cady Stanton and a bunch of her friends wrote something called the Woman's Bible in 1895, where they rewrote the Bible from a feminist perspective and took out the things that they thought were oppressive and patriarchal.
01:33:34.000And in the intro, Stanton herself says, I think her husband was a preacher maybe, or really involved with the church at the time.
01:33:44.000But she said, I don't believe that any man has ever heard anything from God.
01:33:49.000I don't believe the Bible is divinely inspired.
01:33:51.000I think all of Christianity was made up specifically by men to oppress women.
01:34:03.000Yeah, monism is like that kind of a lot of the new age or even some of the DMT bros will kind of come to this conclusion that there's like a one that we have to return to.
01:34:11.000Like we're all one and we're all God and we forgot that we need to return to the one.
01:34:20.000Yeah, and we got to return to the one.
01:34:22.000And they were writing about this stuff in like the early 1800s as like transgenderism, gender abolition, gender as a spectrum was being written about by Margaret Fuller in the 1840s in America.
01:34:35.000And she said, we're never going to return to the one as long as we have this gender division.
01:34:41.000So in the future, I'm envisioning a future with no gender.
01:34:46.000And she said, nobody's really born a man or a woman.
01:34:49.000You're either on this spectrum and some people are more on the male side and some people are more on the female, but nobody is like fully one or the other.
01:34:58.000I had that argument once with a guy who was a professor.
01:35:00.000It was one of the dumbest conversations I've ever had on this podcast.
01:35:04.000And I eventually had to say to him, if you go buy a puppy and it's a boy puppy, but you wanted a girl puppy, do you say that there is no gender?
01:35:58.000Well, this is why the occult was so appealing to these people and why, so like feminists are drawn to the occult and occultists are drawn to feminism because in most occult traditions, there is this idea of gender bending and gender fluidity and transcending gender in order to transcend to something higher, to become the stars again or to become part of the one monad.
01:36:23.000So I'm reading all their backgrounds and they're all writing about this stuff.
01:36:27.000Many of them claimed to be automatic writers.
01:36:30.000So they would write a book about feminism, say, it's not coming from me.
01:36:33.000It's coming from this entity that speaking through me.
01:37:23.000Diverse belief system, by the way, that's a weird way to say it.
01:37:27.000A diverse belief system that reveres Lucifer not as the Christian devil, but as a symbol or deity of enlightenment, knowledge, and human potential.
01:39:05.000And to the extent that these historical facts exist, they were created by white patriarchal oppressors to perpetuate their patriarchal oppression.
01:39:14.000So we can't know the real history unless it's told from the perspective of the most oppressed woman.
01:39:21.000And so that is how they rewrote everything.
01:39:25.000And the stuff you're getting from their textbooks, the things you're being taught in university, is this stuff.
01:39:30.000It's not anything having to do with objective historical timelines.
01:39:34.000So Lucifer appears explicitly only once in the Bible in Isaiah 14:12, King James Version.
01:39:41.000How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning?
01:39:45.000How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations?
01:40:39.000Well, the Orthodox tradition is that he is, and there's multiple names for him.
01:40:43.000So sometimes he's called the adversary.
01:40:45.000Sometimes he's called different things.
01:40:47.000The modern Protestant interpretations of things, because they use sola scriptura, there's a ton of like word concept fallacies where they think this word always refers to this one thing and they're not correct about that.
01:41:00.000So like our church tradition says yes, he is Satan.
01:41:16.000So what but obviously if someone is not just a fallen angel, becomes like the worst being in the world or in the universe, like how could you ignore that and only concentrate on the self-improvement?
01:41:31.000Could you name that after somebody else?
01:41:33.000Aren't there a lot of other self-improvement people in the Bible?
01:41:48.000But the second one is occult, the term itself just means hidden.
01:41:52.000And there's a whole history here that's been completely intentionally hidden from both women and men, but specifically from women, that if they knew it, I think they'd have a whole different view of this movement.
01:42:03.000And they would question a lot of its foundational grounding axioms and all the presuppositions we have that it was to protect women.
01:42:12.000So if we look at that, if we look at the promises of feminism, the promises we were told, it's going to protect you from abusive men, from unhappy, abusive marriages.
01:42:23.000It's going to give you more freedom and more choice in your life.
01:42:28.000Those were the selling points and the things we were promised.
01:42:32.000But if you actually like look at the statistics, you look at the outcomes of what's happened since feminism became dominant and we pushed women into the workforce.
01:42:39.000We discouraged them from, I mean, antinatalism is so rampant.
01:42:44.000I mean, you hear people refer to children as like icky.
01:42:49.000They call them, you know, sex trophies, all these like derogatory terms for children and parents.
01:42:55.000And you see the dual income no kids people, the dinks making all their like TikToks about like, a day in our life is dinks.
01:43:02.000We went to the Taylor Swift concert last night and then we slept in extra late and then we had brunch and smoked a joint like Chelsea Handler.
01:43:15.000So it's like always been this dialectic of, do you want to be self-sacrificial and give of yourself for something greater that goes into the future long after you're gone?
01:43:27.000This greater purpose that's going, that you might never even see fully the fruits of in your lifetime.
01:43:34.000Or do you want to party and have fun and go after what you want now and be kind of hedonistic, kind of selfish?
01:43:41.000And that's the, that's the Luciferian paradigm.
01:43:43.000Like even the satanic temple guys, Anton LeVay and all those guys, they said, look, we're not even like deistic Satanists.
01:44:27.000But my children and hopefully their children, who is who I wrote this book for when I wrote it, I thought it was going to be like, I didn't know I was going to be here talking about it.
01:44:36.000I thought it was going to be for like my grandkids and my great grandkids and things like that because I wanted them to know this stuff.
01:46:38.000She feels like she doesn't have choices.
01:46:41.000She would love to stay home and have kids.
01:46:43.000Most of the women who write to me are like, I had one lady write to me and say, I, ever since I got together with my boyfriend, started going to church with them, all I can think about day in and day out is getting married and having kids.
01:46:56.000I daydream during the day about my future children and I dream about them in my dreams at night.
01:47:01.000That's all I, everything in me wants to do that.
01:47:04.000But I'm in my last year of dental school and I have all this debt and my parents fully expect me to graduate and start a dental practice.
01:47:11.000And if I told them I'm not going to do that, I'm just going to stay home and have kids, they would lose it.
01:47:31.000If you look at, we have so much data on this, cohabitative relationships where you just live with your boyfriend have a 35% higher domestic violence rate than married couples.
01:47:42.000If you look at child abuse, there's something called the National Incident Study.
01:47:46.000I have a whole breakdown of this on my substack too.
01:47:49.000It's gone over the last 45 years of all the data we have from every reporting agency in the country.
01:47:56.000For the last 45 years, children who live with married biological parents are 12 times safer on every metric, whether it's sexual abuse, physical abuse, emotional abuse, neglect, by a factor of 12 times safer than any other living situation.
01:48:15.000And kids that come from disrupted family living situations like mine, where you got divorced parents and like dad's got a girlfriend, mom's got a new husband, those sort of things.
01:48:26.000Those are all far, far, far unsafer for children on every level that we look at.
01:48:31.000And then if you look at kids from fatherless homes, the risk for everything, addiction, learning disabilities, mental health problems, ending up in a juvenile facility, being homeless.
01:48:45.000It's like between 70 to 85% of kids in those situations come from fatherless homes.
01:48:50.000So what we've done over the last 50 years is take dads and husbands out of the home and replace them with the government.
01:49:00.000And it has made women and children more vulnerable to abuse, to abandonment, to ending up on welfare, to ending up in any number of bad situations that you can think of.
01:49:12.000And I think if more women knew that, they would at least, you know, give it a second thought and be like, hmm, maybe the whole getting married and having kids thing isn't so terrifying.
01:49:22.000We don't fearmonger women about what can go wrong if you dedicate your whole life to a career.
01:49:27.000You know, we don't tell them, well, what if this happens?
01:49:29.000What if you try to be a brain surgeon and then you get Parkinson's and you can never work again?
01:49:35.000But like, what percentage of people in this country, families in this country, require both parents to work in order to get by?
01:49:44.000Well, I think it's not going to be quick.
01:49:47.000It's going to be a multi-generational project.
01:49:50.000But I think if you give women the choice, I believe Simone de Beauvoir when she said that if you give women the choice, more and more will choose to be moms and say how much they can.
01:50:23.000I learned how to be a firearms instructor because I could teach a class on a Saturday, only be gone for one day of the week and make like $2,000.
01:50:31.000So I could make like a week's worth of money only working one day a week on the day that he's home.
01:50:36.000So like my advice to people, I'm not super huge on giving advice because it depends.
01:50:41.000There's a lot going on that I don't know your situation, but you have to get creative.
01:50:45.000Try to find things you can do on the side, things you can do from home.
01:50:50.000Well, it's one of the benefits to COVID is now something like 30% of work is remote from homework.
01:50:56.000If you can do that and kind of structure your day more around the kids and work at night, maybe when dad's home, things like that, that's kind of what you do.
01:51:28.000Through his girlfriend, Marjorie Cameron, who was like an archetype of the Scarlet Woman.
01:51:34.000So Parsons was kind of like, he created like a kind of an occult cult that was a breakoff from Aleister Crowley and had a lot of Crowleyan beliefs.
01:51:45.000And when he met Marjorie Cameron, she was like this rebellious redhead who smoked and drank and slept around.
01:51:52.000And like all the Hollywood dudes in his circle kind of liked her.
01:51:56.000A lot of his friends slept with her too.
01:51:59.000And she was very into the occult and she was really into like witchcraft and ritual magic and so was he.
01:52:05.000And so when they met, it was like instant chemistry and the rumor, the legend is that they spent like, I don't know, multiple many days, even like up to a couple of weeks nonstop doing sex magic together.
01:52:18.000Like that's all they did for a couple weeks.
01:52:21.000So according to like Crowley and a lot of these kind of like more openly Satanist left-hand path type of occultism, the sexual experience and the orgasm is super powerful because it can channel your emotions in a way that nothing else can.
01:52:37.000You get like this big surge of energy and emotion that will make whatever spell or ritual you're doing more powerful.
01:52:44.000So Crowley's favorite thing to do was sodomize fellas in order to worship demons or invoke demons.
01:53:06.000He had a lot of women he would do this stuff with too, but he thought that the homosexual stuff, basically the more degenerate it is, the more intense it's going to make the spell.
01:53:59.000She specifically recruited like all different races of people.
01:54:02.000Like she focused on finding dudes to impregnate her supposedly, to make moon children who were going to like bring the Antichrist and they'd go out into the desert and live on this ranch together and do a bunch of peyote.
01:54:26.000But she was doing all the sex magic stuff to try to like reincarnate him, to try to bring about the Antichrist.
01:54:31.000She thought she was the scarlet woman that was going to be like the Antichrist version of Mary, where the Antichrist is born through this scarlet woman.
01:54:39.000And it's references to Babylon and the end times in the Bible and all this stuff, which Crowley did all that stuff too.
01:54:46.000And she was a feminist icon because this stuff goes along with being rebellious.
01:54:52.000There's a reason there's like an archetype of feminists, like a stereotype that they're all, they have daddy issues.
01:54:58.000They're man haters with daddy issues because they kind of are.
01:55:01.000It's usually like they're very against God.
01:55:51.000You have to outcompete the other men who are trying to get the female pregnant, that sort of thing.
01:55:55.000And a lot of men historically died in battle really young or doing dirty or dangerous jobs.
01:56:00.000You know, they died younger a lot of times or in war.
01:56:04.000And then you'd have war brides, you know, so they'd get impregnated again by like the enemy who took them back to their homeland, that kind of thing.
01:56:10.000So yeah, we have this, that's where women feel that their power lies is in sexuality.
01:56:17.000That's why every pop star and every movie star who's a famous woman, for the most part, there's a handful of exceptions, but most of them, they'll do anything to stay hot.
01:56:29.000You know, they're trying to be sexy at 70.
01:56:45.000She's had how many husbands and engagements and divorces and she's still out there in the thong shaking it on Vegas, you know, her Vegas shows and stuff.
01:57:37.000So Cameron was the it girl in the counterculture in LA and her art was really popular and stuff.
01:57:43.000And there's a lot that kind of came out of her popularity that went into the mainstream later in like these scarlet women archetypes of like the sexy bad girl who's rebellious and is undomesticated and unattached.
01:58:07.000I do what I want and I'm not going to be held down by no man or no baby.
01:58:11.000I'm going to, I'm a strong, independent woman out here and I decide.
01:58:15.000You know, that's what, that's why you see women screaming about how abortion is great.
01:58:19.000They go to these rallies and they're just like screaming the most horrible things.
01:58:24.000And I think if you convince enough women that motherhood and having babies is like this horrific, oppressive ball and chain, which is what my mother was convinced of.
01:59:55.000Charles woman, like count on this fucking dipshit to figure things out.
01:59:59.000I think that's the other result of the sexual liberation stuff, though, is like, what motivation do men have to be like good, dependable, upstanding providers when they can just sleep around and be fuckboys and losers.
02:00:17.000And that's why the dating apps are so crazy.
02:01:07.000Try to pair someone up who's like-minded.
02:01:09.000If you're alone and you're busy with other stuff and you find it very hard to meet someone out of match, it's really interesting.
02:01:15.000But then also, if you're a young person and you're just trying to bang it out out there on the streets and you got 14 people hitting your inbox and you pictures of your abs and you're fucking flexing or whatever it is.
02:01:48.000In that, like, I taught, I interviewed my grandma on my YouTube channel when she was 97.
02:01:52.000And I asked her, like, when you and Aunt Thelma were trying, when Thelma and Lois were looking for, you know, husbands in the early 40s, like, what were the things you guys were looking for?
02:02:03.000What did you think about when you were like looking for a guy?
02:02:05.000She's like, oh, well, we, you know, he had to have a good reputation.
02:02:09.000He had to come from a nice family, you know, because you're going to, you know, when you marry a guy, you marry his family.
02:02:15.000I wanted him to go to like the same type of church as me and believe the same things.
02:02:20.000And he had to, you know, have good job prospects, you know, good future prospects because, you know, you want to raise a family and those sort of things.
02:02:29.000She did not say six foot, six pack, or six figures.
02:03:22.000So kids today are just overwhelmed, drowning in anxiety because they're addicted to this feedback and this thing where they're always pretending to be someone they're not online and they're using filters and cars that they leased and you know it's very strange.
02:03:39.000I have four girls and I made a point to always show them.
02:03:43.000Like I'll show them before and afters of the Kardashians.
02:03:47.000I'll show them here's Kylie Jenner before all the like probably hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of work that she's had done in professional stylists and trainers and all the facial augmentations and all the different things that they get done.
02:04:02.000Here's what she looked like just any normal girl from your junior high.
02:04:06.000The only reason she looks like this now, and on top of all the work and everything else, there's filters and there's apps that they edit everything with.
02:04:17.000Because I remember growing up in the 90s, I don't ever remember thinking a whole lot about what my butt looked like if my nose was too big.
02:05:06.000I've tried kind of like talking, like, I'll go on the whatever podcast once in a while and kind of like ask girls probing questions about that.
02:05:14.000Like, do you think it's possible that you could be missing out?
02:05:17.000Like, if you're 22 and you won't date a guy because he only makes 50 grand a year, it's like, yeah, well, my husband only made 40 grand a year when we met, but he makes way more than that now.
02:05:29.000And having a family really motivates a man to like hustle and grow whatever it is that he's doing and try to be better.
02:05:36.000But it's like if you're 22 and you're like, I won't even look at you unless you make six figures, you're missing out on a ton of great guys.
02:05:43.000And it's like, what, what exactly do you want?
02:05:47.000Well, they're kind of programmed towards hypergamy today, right?
02:05:51.000It seems like they're programmed to go after the super successful, hyper-successful people and not think, oh, I'm developing a relationship with a man and we're going to grow together.
02:07:09.000I go, if I could give you a pill that could make you really strong, like instantaneously, really strong and able to like strangle men, like you could kill people with your bare hands.
02:07:56.000Yeah, it's the same thing as raising kids, right?
02:07:58.000It's like, so I lifted weights for, it's been like 18 years.
02:08:03.000And there were periods where I was really lean and I looked fantastic.
02:08:06.000And then there were periods where like I and I lifted all through my pregnancies and everything.
02:08:11.000And I highly recommend it because if you don't want to have like a lot of the complications you can have post-pregnancy, like pelvic floor issues, birthing issues, get really strong and squat heavy.
02:09:09.000And through all those years of lifting, even when I was a little too chunky, like after my son passed away, I gained a lot of weight.
02:09:14.000I could not care about myself for a couple of years.
02:09:18.000I just couldn't bring myself to do it.
02:09:20.000But I still went to the gym because it kept me sane.
02:09:23.000It did more for me mentally than therapy or anything else other than prayer.
02:09:28.000I would say prayer would be the number one thing, Jim, a close second.
02:09:31.000It was a really great way to battle out all of the really strong, crazy emotions that I had.
02:09:37.000Just one more rep. You know, until you're so tired that it's like a lot of the bad feelings and stuff you have, you have some clarity and you can kind of figure it out.
02:09:47.000That's one thing that I think would be a good way to develop more men is to encourage them into doing difficult things and difficult, hard work, and specifically physical things because I think your body has a certain amount of requirements in order to maintain like a stable level of anxiety and mental health.
02:10:09.000I know it's a giant factor because when I take a few days off, there's something wrong, if I get hurt or something like that, I start getting batty.
02:10:16.000I'm like, oh, this is like most people most of the time.
02:10:18.000Like, that's a terrible way to live your life.
02:10:21.000Yeah, Andrew knows if I'm out of sorts like that, he's like, you haven't been to the gym at all.
02:10:27.000Like, we just moved across the country, and it was like, there's so much that goes into doing that, especially when he has a business and everything, and there's kids.
02:10:35.000And so it was like the longest I've taken off ever, I want to say.
02:10:39.000Like, even with kids and surgeries, I didn't have to take off that long.
02:10:43.000And we finally got the home gym put in.
02:10:50.000If you're a woman that struggles with depression and anxiety, try pushing yourself really hard in the gym and you'll find out what you're made of.
02:10:56.000It doesn't mean you have to be stronger than dudes.
02:10:58.000It doesn't, you're not going to get huge muscles because you don't have enough testosterone to do that unless you're taking gear or something.
02:11:16.000Like my parents both have terrible health and I want to avoid that.
02:11:20.000So I'm trying to be like really proactive about keeping myself healthy, avoiding heart disease, diabetes, all these things, so that my kids don't have to have a power of attorney and take care of me.
02:12:49.000I'd say if I got to say anything else about it, I did not write this book, nor do I talk about these things or debate feminists because I hate women.
02:13:35.000We've given women more power than the balance.
02:13:39.000I think there was a balance already before feminism because you had women with the power over reproduction and mate selection and sexuality and motherhood and all the influence they have over men through those things.
02:13:52.000And then you had men with the monopoly on physical force and probably like political force and things like that.
02:15:00.000So every time you look in history, this is a key thing.
02:15:02.000If you are arguing with feminists, if you're looking at history and they say, look at this horrible thing, women couldn't have this or women didn't do that or there was stigma around this.
02:15:11.000Ask yourself, was that also true for men?
02:15:17.000Men didn't have this glorious, carefree existence, free of responsibility, where they had all the power and control, but none of the accountability.
02:15:32.000We have Bonnie Blue and we have like all these crazy OnlyFans girls.
02:15:35.000And like the only women online besides me and a handful of others are boss babes and OnlyFans chicks and Instagram models and blue-haired screeching feminists.
02:17:22.000And they did something there in my book, I cover a big study called The Paradox of Female Happiness.
02:17:29.000And this came out in 2008, I think, and it made huge waves where they did this giant survey of women.
02:17:37.000They had done one in the 70s and they were repeating it, you know, 40-something years later to see, like, okay, we've had a lot of feminism.
02:17:45.000And on every metric they measured, women reported being less fulfilled, less happy, and less content than they did in the 70s before they were like fully liberated.
02:17:56.000And they give a lot of reasons as to why, you know, the burden of having to juggle work and home and the expectations of versus reality of what feminism sold them and things like that.
02:18:08.000And then they did a repeat study several years later that was even more comprehensive where they went to other countries and other societies and different types of places and did another survey about women's happiness because now feminism is pretty global.
02:18:21.000There's only a few places in the world where it hasn't really taken hold yet.
02:18:25.000So they were like, we should check other places.
02:18:28.000And the authors of the study opened with something that I thought was kind of funny.
02:18:33.000They said, regardless of where you look, culture, economic status, religion, it doesn't seem to matter, women everywhere and always are less happy than men.
02:18:44.000And they said the reasons for that are somewhat biological.
02:18:47.000We have like hormonal fluctuations that men don't deal with, you know, things like periods and menopause and all that sort of stuff.
02:18:53.000And we're just less emotionally stable.
02:18:55.000Women experience three times the mental illness that men do.
02:19:18.000And when you tear apart the family unit, which is what the Marxist feminists said was their explicit purpose, because property rights are passed down through men.
02:19:28.000Men, you know, build businesses and own properties the most and pass it down to their kids.
02:19:32.000So they're like, we got to get rid of this fatherhood stuff, the patriarchy.
02:19:46.000Yeah, and you see that with a lot of socialist-leaning cities where they want the state to be in charge of things like decisions, whether or not a child can medically transition.
02:20:00.000It's all there for reasons, which are all detailed in the book, but it's basically a scam.
02:20:05.000And I feel like women have been grossly misled and horribly propagandized to believe a whole bunch of shit that's not even true.
02:20:13.000And if they read my book and if they look into it themselves, they double-check all my sources, they go back and read everything themselves and they still believe it's better for them, that's fine.
02:20:22.000But I at least want them to know the truth and be able to make an informed decision about why they're living their life the way they are and if they believe this sort of stuff and if they really accept this feminist framework or not.
02:20:34.000Well, it's a really, really well-written book and it's very fascinating.
02:20:39.000And I really enjoyed this conversation.