The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2460 - Rachel Wilson

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00:00:12.000 Hello, Richard.

00:00:13.000 What's up?

00:00:13.000 Hello, Joe.

00:00:14.000 Brianna, I see you again.

00:00:16.000 So when your husband Andrew came in here, he told me about your book, and then I talked to you, and you seem very interesting, and you gave me a little brief synopsis of it. 0.91

00:00:25.000 And so then I listened to it on audio tape, and it's fucking crazy.

00:00:29.000 And it is the occult feminism, the secret history of women's liberation. 0.94

00:00:35.000 You know, I didn't really have much of an opinion on feminism. 0.90

00:00:39.000 My opinion was, you know, unfortunately, you run into some feminists that just seem did not like men for whatever reason. 1.00

00:00:47.000 And, you know, there's a lot of people in this world that aren't happy with their position or station in life.

00:00:52.000 But I didn't really think too much into how this all got started until I listened to your book.

00:00:59.000 And I'm like, this is kind of bonkers.

00:01:01.000 So before we get into your book, like, how did you decide to write about this?

00:01:07.000 Like, what was your little journey?

00:01:09.000 Oh.

00:01:09.000 Or big journey.

00:01:10.000 Yeah, it's kind of a big journey.

00:01:12.000 So when I was growing up, I was like in all the advanced kid classes.

00:01:17.000 And from the time I was in like kindergarten, it was just pounded into my head, like, you're going to college, you're going to have a career.

00:01:24.000 You know, you're smart and you have to do something with that.

00:01:27.000 It was like the only option that was put before me.

00:01:29.000 And so I followed that path like all the way through school.

00:01:32.000 And by the time I got done with 12 years of regular school, I realized a couple things.

00:01:37.000 One is school is not where you go to learn things.

00:01:40.000 School isn't public school is not so great for smart people for the most part.

00:01:46.000 And that I really didn't like, like another four years of school just sounded like hell to me.

00:01:52.000 And I really just wanted to get married and have kids.

00:01:55.000 That's kind of what I always wanted to do, much to the horror of my Marxist feminist mother, who did not like.

00:02:02.000 I was vaccinated at an early age.

00:02:04.000 Well, she tried, but I was the why kid.

00:02:07.000 I was the kid that's just like, why?

00:02:09.000 Why?

00:02:10.000 But why?

00:02:11.000 And I had like a Rush Limbaugh dad.

00:02:14.000 Wow.

00:02:15.000 They got divorced.

00:02:16.000 Shocker.

00:02:17.000 Who could have seen it coming?

00:02:19.000 So they got divorced when I was like nine.

00:02:20.000 And I had, so I grew up in like two worlds. 0.77

00:02:22.000 I had like Republican business owner Rush Limbaugh dad and I had Marxist feminist crazy mom. 1.00

00:02:28.000 Was the mom always Marxist feminist? 0.96

00:02:31.000 And was the dad always like a Rush Limbaugh Republican?

00:02:34.000 Yep.

00:02:35.000 How did they fall in love?

00:02:36.000 Oh, they didn't.

00:02:36.000 How do they love?

00:02:37.000 I was an accident.

00:02:39.000 Oh, so they just fall in lust.

00:02:42.000 I was like an oops baby.

00:02:45.000 And my dad said that when he saw me, he was like, well, I don't want anybody else.

00:02:50.000 Like, this is the only thing that matters to me.

00:02:52.000 So I'm going to make this work.

00:02:53.000 And he tried his best.

00:02:54.000 How did they even hook up with such radically different ideologies?

00:02:58.000 I don't think they were talking about that sort of thing when they got together.

00:03:01.000 They were probably hanging out at a bar.

00:03:03.000 Oh, so they didn't really know each other very well.

00:03:06.000 Not really.

00:03:07.000 No, they were kind of like, they worked in the same place and met at work and then had like a fling and then I was born.

00:03:14.000 Yeah.

00:03:15.000 So I had divorced parents.

00:03:15.000 Yeah.

00:03:18.000 Yeah.

00:03:19.000 It was, it was really rough because my mother like hated my dad.

00:03:24.000 She could never tell you anything he did wrong.

00:03:26.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:03:27.000 It was just like he's an evil white patriarchist, bad, bad Republican man. 0.70

00:03:32.000 One of my earliest memories is them fighting over the Bush Dukakis election in 88 and like threatening to lock each other in the house so that the one couldn't cancel the other one's vote and stuff. 0.92

00:03:44.000 I know, fun.

00:03:46.000 It was fun.

00:03:47.000 Was this before after Kitty Dukakis drank mouthwash? 0.64

00:03:50.000 Or what did she drink?

00:03:51.000 She drank something like that.

00:03:52.000 I think so.

00:03:53.000 Aftershave or mouthwash to try to get drunk.

00:03:55.000 Yeah.

00:03:56.000 The pressure of the election must have been so insane.

00:04:01.000 And this is pre-social media, right?

00:04:03.000 And this lady was already struggling with like alcoholism. 1.00

00:04:07.000 And I think she was hospitalized for drinking something that was not a drink.

00:04:13.000 Can we find out what that was?

00:04:15.000 It was really crazy, right?

00:04:16.000 Do you remember that?

00:04:16.000 Remember?

00:04:17.000 I just remember that whole election being pretty nuts, like as far as the Democrats versus Republicans.

00:04:22.000 And this was when Democrats were more like how Republicans are right now.

00:04:26.000 They weren't like super insane.

00:04:28.000 Ride in a tank to make everybody think he was like a pro-war tough guy.

00:04:32.000 Remember that?

00:04:33.000 Yeah.

00:04:34.000 And I remember, read my lips, no new taxes, and all that stuff.

00:04:38.000 So like, I had this going on like as a kid.

00:04:41.000 So I think my brain was already thinking about this sort of stuff from the time I was little.

00:04:45.000 Rubbing alcohol.

00:04:46.000 Yo, that's crazy.

00:04:49.000 Nail polish remover.

00:04:51.000 Oh, my God.

00:04:52.000 She drank nail polish remover. 1.00

00:04:55.000 Holy shit. 1.00

00:04:57.000 She couldn't just huff paint like normal person. 1.00

00:05:00.000 Very open about her struggles with alcohol and addiction to amphetamines to reduce the stigma surrounding these issues, later detailing these experiences in her books.

00:05:09.000 Huh.

00:05:10.000 Okay.

00:05:11.000 Yeah.

00:05:11.000 So my parents were like ready to kill each other over that.

00:05:14.000 And so they divorced right after that.

00:05:16.000 They divorced.

00:05:17.000 And so I'd spend time with dad and I'd spend time with mom.

00:05:20.000 And I had two completely different realities and worldviews.

00:05:24.000 And I think growing up like that, you're trying to sort out what's true.

00:05:28.000 You're trying to figure out, like, is there any merit to what mom's saying the world is or any merit to what dad's saying the world is? 0.99

00:05:34.000 And I think dad was more persuasive and better at pulling me his direction because I never really absorbed, like, I always thought Marxism was, you know, faking gay and stupid. 0.99

00:05:44.000 I just never bought into it at all. 0.99

00:05:47.000 Why at an early age did you think that?

00:05:50.000 Because I already had seen that, you know, we're not all born equal with equal things.

00:05:56.000 And some people work much harder.

00:05:58.000 Some people have natural gifts and talents.

00:06:01.000 And to think that, because my mother would literally say stuff in the house, like from, you know, from each person according to their ability to each person according to their need.

00:06:10.000 And I was like, even when I do that in class, like if there's a group project, everybody wants me on their team because I'm the smart kid who's going to do the homework.

00:06:18.000 I end up doing everything and everybody else gets the A, even though I did everything.

00:06:22.000 Those are the people that are really into socialism.

00:06:24.000 The people that have asked stuff.

00:06:25.000 Yes.

00:06:26.000 And so like from being a little kid, I even noticed like, no, things aren't equal and things aren't always fair.

00:06:33.000 And it depends on, you know, your natural skills and abilities and then what you do with those things because there's lots of people.

00:06:41.000 Like my mother was super talented, really intelligent person, but she was so like emotionally chaotic, she never applied them to anything. 1.00

00:06:48.000 She never really got anywhere or did anything.

00:06:50.000 She had big dreams of what she thought she should have and never really got there because she was so like emotionally unregulated and kind of chaotic.

00:06:59.000 So I just kind of saw that, no, there's not this like thing where you can just even the playing field and make it all equal for everyone.

00:07:07.000 That's not how it works.

00:07:08.000 There's also a thing that if you're locked up in something like Marxism, if that's your ideology, you're in this constant struggle with the rest of the world all the time.

00:07:20.000 Yes.

00:07:20.000 Where you want to bend it to your ideology.

00:07:23.000 You want to change it.

00:07:24.000 And so even if you're a very intelligent person, your daily mindset is struggle.

00:07:30.000 Your daily mindset is conflict and existential crisis.

00:07:35.000 Like, you know, people.

00:07:36.000 That is exactly, that was the picture that was laid in front of me.

00:07:40.000 It's such a good thing.

00:07:40.000 Yeah.

00:07:40.000 I go to dad's house and he's like, he started a business after the divorce and he's like hustling.

00:07:46.000 He's working 12 to 14 hour days.

00:07:48.000 He's doing everything he can to make it work.

00:07:50.000 He's not complaining.

00:07:52.000 He's just like, this is what you got to do.

00:07:53.000 If you want to make it, if you want to, you know, do your own thing and prove that you're good at what you do, you have to compete.

00:07:59.000 You have to get out there.

00:08:00.000 You have to work hard.

00:08:01.000 Why complain about it?

00:08:02.000 And then my mom's whole world was, she ended up being very bitter and resentful because it was like this view of, but I deserved this.

00:08:09.000 That should have been me.

00:08:11.000 I got robbed of it because whatever reason.

00:08:14.000 And often it was like, if I was more attractive, the men at work would have given me a raise if I looked like the other woman in the office or something.

00:08:23.000 So it was like this bitter, resentful, she was kind of like at war with the world.

00:08:28.000 So seeing those two things, neither of my parents are perfect.

00:08:32.000 Who has perfect parents?

00:08:32.000 Who is?

00:08:34.000 But it was kind of like, I'd rather play over here where there's a purpose for me working hard and giving it my best shot and trying in life and figuring out what's important to me and then tailoring, you know, all my efforts toward that.

00:08:48.000 And I just thought that having a family was so cool.

00:08:53.000 And I wanted to have the family I didn't have.

00:08:55.000 So I had this dream of like getting married, having kids, having an intact family and making it like a place where kids can grow up without all the screaming and yelling and chaos that I had and that a lot of kids have nowadays.

00:09:11.000 So didn't go to college.

00:09:13.000 I had a full ride scholarship and I didn't go, which everybody thought was the end of the world.

00:09:18.000 It was like, how could you do that?

00:09:20.000 Your life is over.

00:09:21.000 You'll never be anything.

00:09:22.000 And I was kind of like, we'll see, you know.

00:09:25.000 It is very weird that we're convinced that the only way to get educated is by an official institution with all the information that's available now.

00:09:33.000 I mean, even back then, like, that's the whole premise of goodwill hunting.

00:09:38.000 Like, you can get very smart from a public library.

00:09:40.000 You really don't need, it's just the books are available for everyone.

00:09:44.000 The information is available for everyone if you chase it down.

00:09:47.000 It's not like the only people that get any information are the ones who go to these colleges.

00:09:52.000 It's one of the biggest lies that education, like we can just educate everyone.

00:09:57.000 The problem is we're not educated enough.

00:09:58.000 And if everyone had enough access to education, everyone would be intelligent.

00:10:02.000 Everyone would be thriving.

00:10:03.000 It's like the internet's kind of proved this.

00:10:06.000 I had a teacher.

00:10:07.000 It's not an information problem, right?

00:10:09.000 I had a teacher in high school that said something.

00:10:12.000 I don't know if this is his quote or he was quoting someone else, but he said, education is something that allows you to get along without intelligence.

00:10:19.000 And intelligence is something that allows you to get along without education.

00:10:23.000 That's pretty good.

00:10:23.000 I like that.

00:10:24.000 And I was like, oh, I get it. 0.99

00:10:27.000 There's certain people that are just dumb at certain things. 0.95

00:10:30.000 Like, I remember being around intelligent people that had no knowledge of how a car worked, of any of the workings of a car. 0.99

00:10:39.000 You would tell, well, this is back in like Sparkplug days.

00:10:42.000 You explain to them, like, oh, one of the cables for your spark plug got loose.

00:10:46.000 You're only firing on five cylinders.

00:10:48.000 The six, the whole six is not, that's why it's like shaking like that.

00:10:51.000 Who? 0.99

00:10:52.000 Like, if that, if it was anything else, if you're talking about the economy, if you're talking about the political process, that guy would think the other guy was a moron. 1.00

00:11:00.000 But now this guy thinks he's a moron. 0.99

00:11:02.000 I remember like being like auto shop class going, there's a lot of different kinds of intelligence. 0.99

00:11:07.000 We've just done this weird thing where we've categorized, like you have to go to specific schools.

00:11:14.000 You have to go to the, you got to get a degree.

00:11:16.000 Everybody wanted to go to Ivy League schools.

00:11:17.000 I lived in Boston.

00:11:18.000 It was like, very important.

00:11:19.000 Did you get a higher education?

00:11:21.000 You go on to make everybody proud. 1.00

00:11:23.000 And they were all fucking miserable. 0.99

00:11:27.000 Well, my dad said this to me. 0.99

00:11:28.000 He was the only person that when I graduated, I said, I don't think I want to go to college for this.

00:11:34.000 I don't think that's what I want to do.

00:11:35.000 Like any of the things I'm looking at when I think about like having a career in that thing, I'm not very excited about it.

00:11:43.000 I don't, I don't get like, ooh, hyped up to go do this.

00:11:46.000 I was like, I really just kind of want to, you know, maybe someday, but I would love to have a bunch of kids and stuff.

00:11:52.000 And my dad was like, you know, a lot of the people in my office have degrees and, you know, they have careers and some of them are very miserable people.

00:12:00.000 So if you don't want to do that, he's like, you could always decide to go later.

00:12:04.000 So I was like, I kind of like bargained with everyone.

00:12:06.000 I was like, I'm just going to give it a year.

00:12:08.000 You know, yeah.

00:12:10.000 And if it, you know, if I feel like I want to go to college after a year of no high school, then I'll go.

00:12:15.000 You know, I could still do it.

00:12:17.000 But I ended up having a baby at 20, which again was the end of the world.

00:12:23.000 Oh my God, Rachel, your life is over.

00:12:25.000 You'll never be anything.

00:12:26.000 You'll never do anything.

00:12:27.000 It's over for you.

00:12:28.000 It's such a tragedy.

00:12:29.000 It was like, treated like this horrible thing.

00:12:32.000 And I thought it was great.

00:12:34.000 And when I had her, the job that I had did not matter to me anymore at all. 1.00

00:12:39.000 It seemed so stupid. 0.99

00:12:40.000 It was like, anybody can go. 0.99

00:12:42.000 I was a hairstylist at the time.

00:12:44.000 Anybody can go do haircuts.

00:12:46.000 Someone else can cut Debbie's hair, but only I can be her mom. 1.00

00:12:50.000 I want to do that.

00:12:52.000 And everybody was telling me, you have to go back to work.

00:12:55.000 That's what we do now.

00:12:55.000 You have to go back to work.

00:12:57.000 Two weeks after the baby's born, you got to go back to work.

00:12:59.000 You need the money.

00:13:00.000 You need the security.

00:13:01.000 You need the income.

00:13:03.000 And I looked around and thought, this is insane.

00:13:06.000 Like, who came up with this system?

00:13:09.000 Because I am going to go drop her off at two weeks old and let some lady who doesn't know or care about or love my baby the way that I do take care of her all day long. 1.00

00:13:21.000 You know, if you factor in the commute, it's like nine, nine and a half hours that I'm away from her.

00:13:25.000 By the time I get home and feed her and give her a bath, it'll be bedtime.

00:13:29.000 And that'll be it.

00:13:30.000 I'll get like maybe two hours with my baby all day, you know?

00:13:35.000 And I get to pay half of what I make to this other random person to raise my child.

00:13:43.000 Who came up with this?

00:13:44.000 And I have to pay taxes, you know, and I have to have a second vehicle and insurance and a work wardrobe. 1.00

00:13:44.000 This is stupid. 1.00

00:13:51.000 And I just thought, this is the most inefficient, stupid system. 1.00

00:13:56.000 And everyone around me is like, this is, this is good. 1.00

00:13:59.000 This is what we all need to do.

00:14:01.000 Even the like Christian conservative women that were friends and family members were like, well, you don't want to depend on a man because then you're going to get abused. 1.00

00:14:10.000 They fear-mongered me to death about staying home with my kids.

00:14:14.000 And at the time, this was my high school boyfriend who I had my first child with.

00:14:20.000 Because I was kind of a libertarian at this stage.

00:14:22.000 And both my parents, at this point, my parents have multiple divorces between the two of them.

00:14:27.000 And I always, I know, I always heard, oh, marriage is just a piece of paper.

00:14:31.000 What really matters is that you love each other and that sort of thing.

00:14:35.000 And I'd known this guy since we were kids.

00:14:37.000 We'd known each other forever.

00:14:38.000 We'd been together for a long time.

00:14:40.000 So I thought this was great.

00:14:42.000 And my goal was, let's get us to the point where I can stay home and be like a full-time mom.

00:14:49.000 And he had stuff going on.

00:14:50.000 It did not work out.

00:14:51.000 He took off.

00:14:53.000 Devastating, horrible, terrible for me.

00:14:55.000 No big fights, no cheating, nothing like that.

00:14:59.000 You know, he's a private person, so I don't want to tell his business, but he had his own personal things going on and left.

00:15:05.000 And it was back to work.

00:15:07.000 You know, I had to work and be a working mom.

00:15:10.000 And I didn't like that.

00:15:11.000 And I still thought that there was something wrong here, but I hadn't really like looked into where do we get this idea that women must be working. 1.00

00:15:19.000 Like my grandma didn't work.

00:15:21.000 Bless her soul, by the way. 0.97

00:15:22.000 She is going to be turning 100 April 1st, my grandma, who's still with us.

00:15:26.000 And she's probably my ace in the hole. 0.84

00:15:28.000 And the reason I kind of turned out normal despite my chaotic family upbringing, because she was super grounded, nice Christian lady, only an eighth grade education, but she knew how to do everything.

00:15:40.000 She'd go out back and like pluck a chicken, cook it up for dinner, can everything in the garden, preserve all the food. 0.99

00:15:46.000 And she had more done by 8 a.m. than most human beings on earth.

00:15:49.000 So I had like grandma as a pillar to really help me through this stuff.

00:15:53.000 So shout out, grandma. 1.00

00:15:56.000 Which is work.

00:15:57.000 Yeah.

00:15:57.000 It's housework.

00:15:59.000 Yeah.

00:16:00.000 Which is like really important.

00:16:02.000 Like it has to get done.

00:16:03.000 Yeah.

00:16:04.000 And most people think someone else should do that.

00:16:06.000 I need to be in an office.

00:16:07.000 Yeah.

00:16:08.000 This is for wageies, like low, low-paid wagey people to do. 0.68

00:16:12.000 I need to be doing something important.

00:16:14.000 But I always thought she was really important.

00:16:16.000 She was super important to me because when my parents were off doing whatever they were doing, I'd always get dumped at grandma's.

00:16:22.000 So I spent a ton of time with her growing up.

00:16:25.000 And she was full of wisdom.

00:16:27.000 And like I said, she knew how to do everything.

00:16:29.000 Like her practical skills were crazy.

00:16:30.000 She can cook anything. 1.00

00:16:32.000 She can clean anything. 0.99

00:16:33.000 She can can and preserve food. 1.00

00:16:35.000 She grew up during the Great Depression.

00:16:36.000 She was born in 1928.

00:16:38.000 Oh, wow.

00:16:39.000 Yeah.

00:16:39.000 And she's, she had been through some stuff.

00:16:41.000 Like she lost her husband to cancer.

00:16:43.000 She lost her daughter to kidney disease.

00:16:45.000 Like she had been through it.

00:16:47.000 So she had a lot of like good advice and wisdom.

00:16:50.000 And she'd always say, oh, I wish I was smart like you.

00:16:53.000 I wish I was smart like you and I could go to school and stuff like that.

00:16:56.000 But I thought, Grandma, you're the only person that knows what the hell they're doing.

00:17:00.000 You're the only person in my world who seems to know what they're doing.

00:17:04.000 Yeah.

00:17:04.000 Grass is always greener.

00:17:06.000 When you're looking at a woman that's entering into the workforce, who's really intelligent, you start thinking, oh, she's going to have a career. 0.99

00:17:14.000 Yeah.

00:17:14.000 She's going to be a CEO someday.

00:17:16.000 And everyone's going to respect her.

00:17:18.000 Meanwhile, that person's on pills and suicidal and can't sleep.

00:17:22.000 And we're going to get into that.

00:17:25.000 We're going to get into, I'm sure, like how it's turned out for women. 1.00

00:17:28.000 Yeah.

00:17:28.000 Pushing them into the workforce, telling them they can have it all and how they're dealing with that.

00:17:33.000 But I didn't deal with it well.

00:17:35.000 When I was at work, I felt like I should be at home and I was missing my kids and like I was really failing on the home front.

00:17:41.000 And when I was at home, I felt like I should be giving more to work and I felt constantly torn.

00:17:45.000 And that's something I hear from pretty much every woman I talk to who has kids and a job. 1.00

00:17:50.000 Yeah.

00:17:50.000 That it's really tough that you always feel like you're not able to give enough to each thing.

00:17:56.000 You just can't spread yourself that thin all the time.

00:17:59.000 And I think it's bad advice.

00:18:00.000 I think we give women backwards advice. 0.99

00:18:02.000 I think we tell them, spend all your fertile years, all your youth, building a career, going to school and building a career.

00:18:10.000 Then by the time you're like 30, 35, and you've got all that established, then you can think about getting married and having kids.

00:18:18.000 Well, by then, you better find somebody quick and get on it because you got a handful of years left.

00:18:24.000 Yeah.

00:18:24.000 You know, and you might need IVF and all these other things.

00:18:27.000 And a lot of women struggle. 1.00

00:18:29.000 And it's one of the, it's actually, nobody wants to talk about this.

00:18:32.000 This is the conversation no one's ready for.

00:18:35.000 Women's access to higher education is the number one correlate around the world, regardless of economics, race, culture, status, anything to falling birth rates. 0.90

00:18:46.000 Wow.

00:18:47.000 So it turns out that when you push young women, that it's education, career, education, career. 0.76

00:18:54.000 Because why?

00:18:54.000 Why do we tell them that?

00:18:56.000 Otherwise, you're at the mercy of a man and he'll abuse you.

00:18:59.000 He'll take advantage.

00:19:00.000 He knows that you depend on him.

00:19:01.000 So you've got to do that.

00:19:02.000 If you feel a little off, it's okay.

00:19:04.000 It's February.

00:19:05.000 Everybody feels a little off in February.

00:19:08.000 It's darker.

00:19:08.000 It's colder.

00:19:09.000 You probably already gave up on some New Year's resolutions.

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00:20:13.000 Isn't there also a practical consideration for a lot of people?

00:20:16.000 Because the cost of living is very different now than it was, like, say, in the 1950s or 1960s.

00:20:21.000 It's very difficult for a lot of people to get by on one income.

00:20:25.000 Yes, it is.

00:20:26.000 But have you ever asked why that is?

00:20:30.000 I have, but I'd love to hear you talk about it.

00:20:32.000 So, prior to the 1970s, we had 5% of mothers with school-aged kids working outside the home.

00:20:40.000 And for all of human history, even during the Industrial Revolution, you know, 17, 18, 1900s, like you said, in the 40s and 50s, you could be a janitor and support a family and have four kids on one income.

00:20:54.000 And something shifted in the 1970s, and it's never shifted back.

00:20:58.000 So it can't be like how the stock market's doing.

00:21:01.000 It can't really be like all these other independent economic factors that have shifted and changed and been so different over the course of the last 50 years.

00:21:09.000 The one big thing that we changed is we pushed women into college and into the workforce. 1.00

00:21:15.000 And by the 1980s, they were on par with men in workforce participation.

00:21:22.000 So in the span of about 20 years, we almost doubled the labor force by pushing all the women in. 1.00

00:21:28.000 And men's wages have never recovered.

00:21:31.000 So now you are stuck in a two-income trap where even women who want to stay home and even dads who would love to have their wife home with their kids, it's really tough. 0.74

00:21:40.000 So why did women entering the workforce keep men's wages stable or keep them from going up along with the inflation? 1.00

00:21:48.000 It really fundamentally changed the economy.

00:21:51.000 I have a friend named Aaron Clary who wrote a book about this.

00:21:55.000 It's an analysis of what he calls a female-based economy, where it's more consumer-driven.

00:22:01.000 Women are like responsible for 80% of consumer spending. 1.00

00:22:04.000 And now that they're all educated and in the job market, we have a lot more of things like HR departments, psychology, sociology.

00:22:12.000 Like the economy shifted away from being like manufacturing and production and more male-dominated things to we have all these women coming out of university. 1.00

00:22:22.000 And, you know, they, what do they get degrees in?

00:22:25.000 I think 80% of psychology degrees are earned by women. 0.98

00:22:28.000 And then despite all our efforts to push women into STEM, they're still like maybe 20% of STEM degrees. 0.81

00:22:35.000 So we have all these very educated women and we have a lot of kind of fluffy jobs, like office jobs, HR jobs, social media managers. 1.00

00:22:45.000 And mostly women do a lot of the same things they used to do in the home. 1.00

00:22:50.000 So they're nurses, they're early childhood educators, they're retail workers, they're cooks, they're housekeepers.

00:22:57.000 They're doing a lot of the stuff they used to do, which the Marxist feminists called unpaid labor, right? 1.00

00:23:04.000 This is the myth of women's unpaid labor. 1.00

00:23:06.000 So instead of cleaning your own house, educating your own children, cooking meals for your family, maybe for your parents or grandparents who can't cook for themselves, all the things we used to do for our own family, clerical work, bookkeeping for your husband's business, things like that.

00:23:21.000 We're doing those things for corporations.

00:23:24.000 So that, and this was kind of by design.

00:23:27.000 A lot of the book is about the fact that there were people who pushed feminism, and it wasn't because women were oppressed and they cared about the position of women necessarily.

00:23:37.000 It's because the same people who pushed the 19th Amendment and pushed progressivism and feminism were the same people who drafted the Federal Reserve legislation, came up with the income tax, came up with the compulsory education system.

00:23:53.000 And especially on the Marxist side, they pushed feminism because they said if we can push mothers and women into the workforce and we double the workforce, workers of the world unite.

00:24:04.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:24:05.000 So it's like we have this huge workforce.

00:24:07.000 through the university systems, we can kind of propagandize the young women to be socialists and to be Marxists because they kind of tend that way anyway. 0.61

00:24:16.000 The way that women's brains work is very like communitarian for a reason. 1.00

00:24:20.000 We're moms, you know?

00:24:22.000 So it's very easy to radicalize.

00:24:23.000 And this isn't my opinion.

00:24:25.000 Like I go over in the book how you can just read the writings of these people and they tell you.

00:24:29.000 August Babel, Alexander Kohlentai, Margaret Fuller, like all these early 1800s writers were saying we need to get women away from the home and away from being mothers and push them into the workplace because then we can politicize them, we can motivate them into becoming revolutionaries.

00:24:48.000 And that's how we'll get the numbers to make this work.

00:24:51.000 Wow.

00:24:52.000 Yeah.

00:24:53.000 So now, instead of staying home with your kids and doing all these things for your family, for your community, you're doing them for a corporation.

00:25:01.000 You're paying income tax, you're paying all the other taxes associated with having to work outside the home, gas tax, because you're driving back and forth to work, payroll taxes, all that kind of stuff.

00:25:13.000 And you are away from your kids all day.

00:25:16.000 Where do they go?

00:25:17.000 They go to public schools where the public school system then can dictate to them what the values should be, how, you know, what the worldview should be instead of the parents.

00:25:31.000 Yeah.

00:25:32.000 It just makes you wonder.

00:25:33.000 Like, there's all these giant shifts in culture.

00:25:38.000 And it makes you wonder, what would we look like if that had never taken place?

00:25:43.000 Well, that's, so you asked, like, why did I start writing about this?

00:25:46.000 That's why.

00:25:47.000 Because I had like an aha moment where I realized feminism is far and away. 0.99

00:25:54.000 Like, it's not even close.

00:25:55.000 It's the biggest social revolution in all of human history, and it happened in one century.

00:26:00.000 We took the whole social order that was in every culture around the world for all of the rest of time that's recorded, and we flipped it upside down and completely changed it in one century.

00:26:13.000 Everything about your life is different now because of feminism in ways that you don't even think about. 1.00

00:26:19.000 You know, the way that you act in the workplace, the way that legislation works, the way that school systems work, like every single thing about life has changed as a downstream result of feminism and pushing this model of women's equality, which it's really not.

00:26:37.000 It's really not about equality.

00:26:38.000 And all you have to do is read all the first, everybody thinks first wave was just, oh, they just wanted rights.

00:26:44.000 They just wanted a few rights.

00:26:46.000 You know, and the average person would say, yeah, I think that that was good.

00:26:46.000 That was good.

00:26:50.000 But that's because they don't know the real history.

00:26:52.000 And the reason they don't know the real history is because when they invented gender studies and women's studies, which were created by the Ford Foundation with some help from the Rockefellers and the Carnegies in the late 60s, they literally rewrote the history of how women's suffrage happened.

00:27:10.000 So there's a professor named Joseph Miller who did an examination of 12, the main 12 textbooks that are most commonly used in all the Western universities to teach women's history.

00:27:21.000 And he's not even like a right-winger.

00:27:23.000 He's like a liberal college professor.

00:27:26.000 But when he looked and examined those 12 textbooks and compared them to the actual writings, you know, newspaper articles, writings of feminists themselves, public debates held between suffragists and anti-suffragists,

00:27:39.000 all of the writings of anti-suffragist groups, which far outnumbered pro-suffragist groups, he found that they left out huge chunks of what really happened or intentionally misrepresented what actually happened on purpose to kind of sell feminism as something different than what it really was.

00:28:00.000 So what did they leave out?

00:28:01.000 So the most important thing they left out was that women did not want women's liberation. 0.97

00:28:07.000 They, yes, everybody assumes and believes that it was a grassroots thing that women kind of looked around in the 19th century and they went, you know, we're oppressed.

00:28:18.000 We don't have any rights.

00:28:19.000 I wish I could work. 1.00

00:28:21.000 I wish I could get away from my bastard husband who drinks and beats me. 1.00

00:28:26.000 I need rights. 1.00

00:28:27.000 I need a bank account.

00:28:28.000 I need credit cards.

00:28:29.000 I want to go to university.

00:28:31.000 And they marched and they picketed until they had voting rights and equality in the workplace.

00:28:36.000 That's the story everyone's heard.

00:28:39.000 And it's not correct at all.

00:28:42.000 In fact, it's the opposite.

00:28:43.000 So this is hilarious.

00:28:45.000 When the so we had this big fight in the late 1800s between pro-suffrage groups and anti-suffrage groups, most women in the United States and England, if they were a member of either, they far outnumbered by joining the anti-suffrage groups.

00:29:02.000 They were very much against it.

00:29:04.000 It was only a small minority of women who were pro-suffrage.

00:29:08.000 And these groups would debate publicly.

00:29:10.000 They would write pamphlets.

00:29:12.000 They would write tracts.

00:29:12.000 We have a really good written historical record of what actually happened.

00:29:17.000 And women didn't want it. 1.00

00:29:20.000 They thought they had a lot of great things going on already that were going to get ruined by suffrage. 0.62

00:29:26.000 For example, here's some, let's do a little myth-busting.

00:29:29.000 People have this idea that prior to the 19th Amendment, women were denied an education. 0.76

00:29:34.000 Completely untrue.

00:29:35.000 Some of the first universities in the United States were exclusively female universities and seminaries and secondary schools.

00:29:43.000 More women actually probably had the opportunity to go than men because men always had to work in the fields, in the mines, go to war, build the infrastructure of the nation, work on railroads. 0.99

00:29:54.000 So women were seen as like, well, you're going to be teaching the kids, so you should probably do a little extra education. 1.00

00:30:01.000 Whereas Jimmy and Billy, they need to work the farm with dad.

00:30:06.000 So there was never any law that prohibited women from higher education.

00:30:10.000 What happens, what feminists do, they rely on framing. 1.00

00:30:13.000 So they'll say, because there weren't co-ed universities, because it was women's universities and then men had separate ones, it was mostly segregated. 0.95

00:30:23.000 They'll say women didn't have equal access to education. 1.00

00:30:27.000 Were the better schools men's schools? 0.96

00:30:30.000 No.

00:30:30.000 In fact, I'd say, so I guess you could say some, there were a handful of Ivy League institutions that didn't let women into certain programs, but it was mostly like medical stuff, things like that.

00:30:43.000 And that had already changed before the passage of the 19th Amendment.

00:30:47.000 Women were already being led into Ivy League education, being allowed to do biology and become doctors.

00:30:54.000 Many of the women in my book who were first wave suffragists had degrees, had educations. 1.00

00:31:00.000 The other one is like women weren't allowed to like leave the house. 0.95

00:31:03.000 They weren't allowed to, you know, sex out of wedlock or children out of wedlock. 0.94

00:31:07.000 Oh my gosh, it was so terrible.

00:31:08.000 most of the women in my book who were traveling the world promoting women's suffrage had children out of wedlock, had extramarital affairs, or multiple sex partners, or were even lesbians, open lesbians, touring the world, making money, giving speeches, writing pamphlets and tracts, raising money for the suffrage movement.

00:31:30.000 Nobody put them in jail.

00:31:32.000 Nobody whipped them.

00:31:33.000 Was there some stigma?

00:31:34.000 Sure.

00:31:35.000 But I don't think that you can argue that stigma against those sort of things equates to oppression of women by the patriarchy.

00:31:45.000 It's always framed that way, but that's not true.

00:31:48.000 So what year did they pass the 19th Amendment?

00:31:50.000 And the 19th Amendment is what?

00:31:52.000 1920.

00:31:52.000 That gave women the right to vote, right?

00:31:54.000 So there were women that said, I don't want the right to vote. 1.00

00:31:58.000 Why wouldn't you just want the right to vote, even keeping a traditional household, like the right to have a say if it's about the world, it's about the United States, it's about our laws and how we're going to govern?

00:32:11.000 Yeah.

00:32:11.000 So I'll tell you what their reasoning was.

00:32:14.000 They said, we're going to lose a lot of the protection and provision that we currently enjoy.

00:32:19.000 So for example, in the state of New York in the 1800s, as a woman entering a marriage, if you had money, if you had an inheritance that came with you when you got married, if your husband cheated on you or left or divorced you, he couldn't take any of that.

00:32:34.000 Your inheritance was protected from your husband leaving and taking it.

00:32:40.000 And only men could be held responsible for debt.

00:32:44.000 And there was something called breadwinner laws that the courts, it was like a systemic law.

00:32:50.000 It wasn't like one specific law.

00:32:51.000 It was like a whole legal framework that said, look, women have to raise kids and be pregnant and have babies. 1.00

00:32:57.000 So we have to hold men responsible for financially taking care of women and children. 0.97

00:33:02.000 So women couldn't be thrown into a debtor's prison. 0.99

00:33:04.000 They couldn't be held legally liable for repaying a loan or anything like that.

00:33:08.000 They could own property.

00:33:10.000 People don't believe that either.

00:33:11.000 People believe women couldn't own anything. 1.00

00:33:14.000 And the reason they say that is because once you were married, you were considered one legal entity.

00:33:19.000 But even then, a married man in the state of New York in 1800 couldn't sell a property that was owned after he was married without his wife's written consent.

00:33:30.000 And the court had to be assured that she was not being like coerced into it.

00:33:35.000 So there were already like the anti-suffragists themselves argued, we kind of have everything we want.

00:33:41.000 You know, we have like most of the benefits of this, you know, they didn't call it a patriarchy, but what we would call a patriarchy, they said, we're the primary beneficiaries of this system.

00:33:52.000 We have a lot of protections.

00:33:53.000 And if you make us equal, we're going to lose those.

00:33:56.000 Like, what if we get drafted?

00:33:57.000 What if we have to go do jury duty and hear like the gruesome details of like murders and rapes and things like that?

00:34:04.000 It's going to pit the family against each other.

00:34:07.000 Just with the right to vote?

00:34:08.000 Wow.

00:34:08.000 Yeah.

00:34:09.000 Just with the right to vote.

00:34:11.000 Why couldn't you keep all those things and just be able to participate?

00:34:14.000 Well, unfortunately, they were right.

00:34:16.000 So one really good example is the women's temperance movement. 0.69

00:34:20.000 You guys remember prohibition.

00:34:22.000 That was primarily women who pushed for prohibition. 1.00

00:34:25.000 It was the women's temperance union.

00:34:26.000 It was like a Christian movement to ban alcohol.

00:34:30.000 And women didn't have the right to vote, but they got prohibition passed, which was huge. 1.00

00:34:35.000 Like it was one of those things that nobody thought was even going to happen.

00:34:38.000 And it happened largely because of their political motivation.

00:34:42.000 And the reason that it worked is because they could go to Congress or they could go to the Senate and say, we're not a political voting bloc.

00:34:49.000 We have a moral high ground from which to ask for these things because you can't buy our vote.

00:34:55.000 You can't, you know, like offer us things and kind of seduce us into voting for you based on promising us things that we want.

00:35:04.000 And they didn't want to lose that because they felt like they had a lot of influence.

00:35:08.000 And the things they predicted would happen, the anti-suffragists said, you're going to see a lot of divorce. 0.62

00:35:15.000 You're going to see broken up families because it's going to pit husband and wife against each other, just like it did with my parents, where you've got, you know, mom wants to vote for the Democrat, dad wants to vote for the Republican or vice versa.

00:35:25.000 Now they're fighting about it.

00:35:27.000 They want to split.

00:35:28.000 They have separate worldviews.

00:35:30.000 And political interests will be used to drive a wedge between men and women and break up families. 1.00

00:35:36.000 And then we're all going to be a bunch of single moms. 1.00

00:35:38.000 We're all going to have to work.

00:35:39.000 Like they literally predicted this stuff.

00:35:41.000 It's in one whole chapter of the book is dedicated to their arguments.

00:35:46.000 How they have such amazing foresight?

00:35:48.000 I mean, I just would, ignorantly, I would think, okay, well, I think women should have the right to vote. 1.00

00:35:53.000 They're human beings.

00:35:54.000 They live here.

00:35:55.000 There's laws that are being, why would that.

00:35:58.000 Well, I think one of the problems we have when we look back at history is the fallacy of presentism.

00:36:03.000 We're looking at it through like our eyes now with all of the presuppositions that we have about the world kind of baked in.

00:36:10.000 And at this time, so in 1920, people don't realize that men had only universally gotten the right to vote very shortly before women got it.

00:36:20.000 So in the UK, most men couldn't vote until about 10 years before women got the vote in the UK.

00:36:26.000 There was all kinds of restrictions on voting in the United States for men.

00:36:30.000 You may have to pay a poll tax.

00:36:32.000 You might have to take a test, like a literacy test or a political literacy test.

00:36:39.000 There might be a religious requirement of some kind.

00:36:42.000 There might be a racial requirement of some kind.

00:36:45.000 There could be all different kinds of restrictions on men voting.

00:36:49.000 You might have to be a property owner.

00:36:50.000 You might have to be a certain age.

00:36:52.000 So there was a lot of men.

00:36:54.000 It wasn't like all men could always vote and no women could ever vote. 0.83

00:36:59.000 And at the time of trying to pass suffrage, there were already a few states in the West that had granted women suffrage, like Utah and Wyoming.

00:37:08.000 And Utah is a fun case because it was mostly settled by Mormons at the time. 0.98

00:37:13.000 And they were mostly polygamists.

00:37:14.000 And there was this big fight between the feds and the state of Utah because the feds did not, they were like, this polygamy thing is getting really popular out there and it's going to cause us some problems.

00:37:24.000 And they want to give women the right to vote.

00:37:26.000 And the Mormons thought if we give women the right to vote, we can keep polygamy because they're going to vote for it because it's beneficial to them in whatever ways that the LDS church thought it was.

00:37:36.000 The feds were betting on the fact that, nah, I think if we give women the right to vote, they're going to say no more of this polygamy. 1.00

00:37:42.000 So let them have it.

00:37:43.000 Just let them have it.

00:37:44.000 Well, the feds lost the bet.

00:37:46.000 And the Mormon wives kept voting for the polygamy stuff. 1.00

00:37:50.000 The feds didn't like it.

00:37:52.000 So what they did, there was also a little bit of stuff going on with the finances of the LDS church that was a little sus.

00:37:58.000 They passed an amendment or a law through Congress in 1878, I think.

00:38:05.000 I could be wrong on the date to take away women's suffrage.

00:38:09.000 They took the vote back from them.

00:38:10.000 They said, no more voting for you.

00:38:11.000 Can't do that.

00:38:12.000 Because you're voting for polygamy. 0.89

00:38:14.000 Yeah.

00:38:15.000 And so women in Utah had suffrage granted and then had it removed for 50 years. 1.00

00:38:22.000 It was from, I think it was about 1870 to 1920 that they didn't have the right to vote.

00:38:28.000 And the anti-suffragists, this was a big deal.

00:38:31.000 So pro-suffrage women would go to Utah and anti-suffrage women would go to Utah and they'd talk to the women and try to, because everyone's trying to get them on their side.

00:38:39.000 And they kind of found that like women really didn't want to be involved in politics. 1.00

00:38:44.000 They felt like we have so much going on at home.

00:38:46.000 They were the community organizers.

00:38:48.000 We don't have this anymore, by the way.

00:38:50.000 I'm taking care of my grandparents.

00:38:51.000 I'm taking care of my uncle who, you know, has a disease and is infirmed.

00:38:55.000 I've got seven kids and so does my cousin and so does my sister.

00:38:58.000 And we all raised them kind of together.

00:39:00.000 We're very busy.

00:39:01.000 We're doing all the church stuff.

00:39:03.000 We're teaching the kids together.

00:39:06.000 Politics is just like, you have to know so much about it and you have to be so informed.

00:39:10.000 And we just, we don't have time.

00:39:12.000 And we really don't have interest.

00:39:13.000 Most of them were really indifferent, but more were either indifferent or against it than were for it by such a margin.

00:39:20.000 So this is the test.

00:39:22.000 They let them vote on whether they wanted the vote in a huge, the biggest referendum was in Massachusetts.

00:39:28.000 So they let women vote on whether they wanted to vote in a referendum. 0.98

00:39:33.000 Of the women that showed up, not a lot of them showed up. 0.99

00:39:35.000 It was a fairly small-ish number, but of the thousands that showed up to vote, only 4% wanted suffrage on the ballot.

00:39:44.000 That's crazy.

00:39:45.000 Only 4%.

00:39:46.000 So guess what Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Susan B. Anthony did after that?

00:39:50.000 All the pro-suffrage leaders, they banned women from voting on whether they wanted to vote.

00:39:59.000 Isn't that crazy?

00:40:01.000 How did Susan B. Anthony get involved in all this?

00:40:04.000 Because she was one of those people that was like, what was she on the $2 bill or something?

00:40:08.000 Yeah.

00:40:09.000 And she was one of those people that was always held up as this like amazing woman.

00:40:13.000 And then I started listening to your book and I was like, wait, what?

00:40:17.000 Yeah.

00:40:18.000 A lot of these women, like her and Elizabeth Cady Stanton, were kind of the two big figureheads in America. 1.00

00:40:23.000 There were a lot of other important people, but those are the two most people have heard of.

00:40:27.000 They're the ones who wrote the history of women's suffrage, which is this giant like multi-volume history that they wrote.

00:40:33.000 Now, they wrote it from a very biased perspective to make themselves the rock stars of this movement.

00:40:39.000 They wanted to be remembered in the history books as being these awesome, badass, kind of revolutionary, strong, independent women. 0.99

00:40:46.000 They, in fact, came up with the strong, independent woman narrative that women were victims who needed to be unvictimized.

00:40:54.000 They had other suffragists that they were trying to cut out of the history.

00:40:58.000 When they were putting together this history of women's suffrage, Lucy Stone was one that said, wait a minute, you guys are leaving out huge chunks of important information, like the fact that our main support comes from men, progressive men, and socialist men and polygamist men.

00:41:16.000 Like, why are you guys leaving this out?

00:41:18.000 If you do it, like, everyone's going to know you just didn't mention any of that.

00:41:23.000 Because at the time, it was like super well known.

00:41:25.000 They had a lot of PR problems in the suffrage movement because it was known as something that prostitutes, socialists, Marxists, polygamists, and revolutionaries were into. 0.99

00:41:38.000 And she was like, you can't leave that out.

00:41:40.000 It's like a main point.

00:41:41.000 Maybe you don't like how it portrays us, but you got to include it.

00:41:45.000 So they like reluctantly did include some of that, but they were going to try to leave it out altogether and frame it as we know it now as a fight of women against men.

00:41:55.000 This fight of oppressed women against the oppressive patriarchy that was systemically trying to keep a boot on women's necks.

00:42:03.000 And even their own colleagues were like, that ain't how it happened.

00:42:06.000 It's crazy that progressive men were a problem even back then.

00:42:12.000 The simp problem is always been a problem. 0.98

00:42:16.000 They're a giant problem.

00:42:19.000 And that's one thing that feminism does. 1.00

00:42:22.000 It gives them a way to be like, I always call them like vampire familiars.

00:42:26.000 Yes.

00:42:26.000 Like they never really get to be a vampire, but they do all the deeds for the vampires and the vampire loves them.

00:42:31.000 And they hang around the vampire and they, you know. 1.00

00:42:33.000 It's the sneaky fucker mating strategy. 1.00

00:42:36.000 Yes. 1.00

00:42:37.000 Cuttlefish?

00:42:37.000 What is that?

00:42:38.000 Yeah.

00:42:39.000 Yeah.

00:42:39.000 Cuttlefish do that.

00:42:40.000 Like sneaky bitch ass cuttlefish pretend they're female so they can hang around the females. 1.00

00:42:46.000 And that's exactly what was happening. 1.00

00:42:46.000 Yep. 1.00

00:42:48.000 There were other motivations too.

00:42:49.000 Like Victoria Woodhull was a famous feminist. 0.93

00:42:52.000 She was the first one to have like a big newspaper.

00:42:55.000 She was known as Mrs. Satan because she was into free love. 0.81

00:42:59.000 She wanted to make prostitution legal. 1.00

00:43:01.000 She said that marriage was just a legal form of prostitution. 1.00

00:43:04.000 She saw it to be no different than regular old run-of-the-mill prostitution. 0.98

00:43:08.000 She was like really radical. 0.94

00:43:09.000 She was also a scam artist.

00:43:11.000 Like the thing I found when I was looking into the histories of all these women, they were into the occult or very anti-Christian because they saw it as patriarchal and oppressive. 0.68

00:43:21.000 They were usually con artists or scammers.

00:43:23.000 So spiritualism and snake oil salesmen was like really big and popular at the time.

00:43:29.000 This lady sold fake cancer cures. 1.00

00:43:31.000 She was wanted in like four different states for selling fake cancer cures to dying people and scamming them out of their money. 1.00

00:43:39.000 And by pushing suffrage, she got a lot of people to fund her and give her money. 1.00

00:43:43.000 And one of them was Cornelius Vanderbilt.

00:43:46.000 And she would pretend to be able to contact the dead.

00:43:49.000 She would say she could contact like ancient Greeks and all these spirits, like the spirit of Abraham Lincoln was coming to her in dreams and stuff.

00:43:57.000 I don't think Cornelius believed that at all.

00:43:59.000 But what he did know about her was that she did run a prostitution ring. 0.99

00:44:04.000 And all her friends were hookers who worked the Wall Street gentleman. 1.00

00:44:09.000 And so she basically had a spy network of prostitutes who would give her insider trading information. 1.00

00:44:15.000 He used that to game the stock market on the first Black Friday, I think it was like 1889, for today's equivalent of $26 million, according to the New York Times.

00:44:27.000 And when the New York Times interviewed him and said, how did you do, how did you come out 26 million?

00:44:34.000 At the time, it was 1.3, but today's money, 26 million. 1.00

00:44:37.000 How did you pull this off when everybody else has just lost their ass? 0.99

00:44:40.000 And he said, do as I do, consult the spirits. 0.99

00:44:45.000 So he said that this woman had contacted the dead and given him the tip that way.

00:44:50.000 But it was really just she had a prostitution ring. 1.00

00:44:53.000 So these were the people involved, okay?

00:44:57.000 And this is what they were really doing.

00:44:59.000 But when gender studies departments got a hold of this history, they're not going to tell you any of this.

00:45:04.000 Their job was to become the PR branch in the universities to sell Marxism and feminism to young women to revolutionize and radicalize. 1.00

00:45:15.000 And they had helped doing that from the CIA at the same time because we were in the midst of a Cold War.

00:45:22.000 And I'm not saying communism is good.

00:45:25.000 I'm definitely not.

00:45:26.000 But according to the CIA at the time, they were trying to push Western liberalism as being superior to communism in Russia and the Eastern Bloc.

00:45:34.000 So they thought feminism was good for that purpose. 1.00

00:45:38.000 So they helped fund the beginning of Ms. Magazine.

00:45:41.000 They granted scholarships.

00:45:43.000 They made up like fake scholarships, one of which was given to Gloria Steinem, you know, and then they had her employed for years going around the world pushing feminism. 1.00

00:45:52.000 So it was, it was never that the average woman was like, I want to vote.

00:45:57.000 I want to listen to political debates.

00:45:59.000 I want to learn about economics and foreign policy.

00:46:03.000 I'm really concerned about these things.

00:46:05.000 And I want to know and I want to vote.

00:46:07.000 Women were concerned about things like having clean drinking water, clean milk, safe parks, less crime, all those sort of things. 1.00

00:46:18.000 And one of the other things they predicted would happen, they said, if you give women the vote and you politicize us like this, it's all going to become, it's not going to be about the welfare of our children and communities anymore.

00:46:30.000 It's going to be about things like abortion and birth control and what are the only women's issues that you ever hear about anymore in politics. 0.99

00:46:38.000 The right to abortion and things like access to birth control, access to abortion.

00:46:43.000 It's like the only thing you hear now.

00:46:46.000 Where are all the women, even on the right, like fighting for the things they were fighting for 150 years ago? 1.00

00:46:52.000 Nowhere.

00:46:52.000 It's all about, you know, like even Trump, Trump frustrates me on this because he wants, he's like, we got to have more programs to get all the moms back to work.

00:47:01.000 And I'm like, why?

00:47:03.000 Why do you want to do that?

00:47:05.000 Why do you want to push all the moms back to work? 1.00

00:47:07.000 That's a terrible idea.

00:47:09.000 Why do you think he's saying that?

00:47:10.000 He's a liberal and he's a feminist.

00:47:12.000 He loves hiring women.

00:47:14.000 It's probably his biggest Achilles heel if he would stop hiring women and get rid of a lot of his problems. 1.00

00:47:19.000 But he loves hiring women and he's very pro-working woman.

00:47:23.000 He, like his first wife, one of the things he loved about her was she was very like successful in business and things like that.

00:47:29.000 Ivanka, same thing.

00:47:31.000 And yes, they have kids, but they have nannies and they have all the money in the world to like support them while they're off doing this sort of thing. 0.88

00:47:39.000 But what happens to the average woman, the promise of feminism looks something like you're going to have the corner off. 1.00

00:47:44.000 It looks like sex in the city.

00:47:45.000 You're going to have the corner office and you're going to be in Paris over brunch having champagne and, you know, signing the ink on the next deal. 0.61

00:47:55.000 And you're going to be doing all this exciting boss babe stuff.

00:47:58.000 And then you can also have a kid and, you know, the nanny will take care of the kid while you're doing all this important stuff at work.

00:48:03.000 And it's just going to be amazing.

00:48:05.000 The average woman, like me, ends up working a basic, like I'm a retail manager. 1.00

00:48:11.000 I'm a waitress.

00:48:12.000 You know, I'm a school teacher.

00:48:14.000 I work a nursing, a 12-hour nursing shift four nights a week.

00:48:19.000 And I have to come home and take care of my kids and my family.

00:48:22.000 And I feel like I can't do it all.

00:48:24.000 It's too much.

00:48:26.000 So a lot of women just aren't even having kids anymore. 1.00

00:48:28.000 I'm sure you've looked at birth rates.

00:48:30.000 Yeah, it's kind of weird.

00:48:32.000 It's weird that no one's talking about it.

00:48:34.000 And there was always this narrative about overpopulation.

00:48:37.000 And it's only been over the last decade or so that people start talking about population collapse and the catastrophic impacts of that, particularly on some foreign countries like South Korea, Japan.

00:48:37.000 Yes.

00:48:48.000 They do not have a replacement rate.

00:48:50.000 Right.

00:48:51.000 They're going to be, there won't be a South Korea in the near future if something radical doesn't happen over there. 0.61

00:48:57.000 But this is, there's a whole nother chapter in the book dedicated to this whole thing and where this came from, the Malthusian population agenda.

00:49:06.000 Margaret Sanger gave me nightmares writing the chapter about her.

00:49:10.000 I literally had nightmares about her because she was so evil. 0.99

00:49:14.000 It's hard to, everybody's heard what she said about black people by now. 0.94

00:49:17.000 Most people have heard what she did. 0.98

00:49:19.000 Oh, that they're the lowest of the low and we just need to get rid of them, that it would be best for humanity if we could just convince all of the lower races to just stop breeding. 1.00

00:49:27.000 So they Planned Parenthood on purpose focused on African American and indigenous communities and poor whites too.

00:49:36.000 But she was part of the Rockefeller Bureau for Social Hygiene. 0.82

00:49:41.000 It was a eugenics program. 0.95

00:49:43.000 And Planned Parenthood was a eugenics program. 0.93

00:49:45.000 And she was so antinatalist. 0.97

00:49:48.000 You can find clips of her on the internet now where they would interview her on the radio and she'd say, if it were up to me, nobody would ever have babies anymore.

00:49:56.000 We just would stop having them because life is terrible and life is hard and it's suffering.

00:50:01.000 And bringing children in the world is a terrible thing, especially she said the most, this is a famous quote of hers, the most kind thing a large family can do to one of its young members is to kill it.

00:50:15.000 And her whole shtick was sold on lies. 0.91

00:50:18.000 She told lies about her mother. 0.95

00:50:20.000 She said that her mother died from overbreeding, that she had so many children, it just destroyed her body and she died.

00:50:27.000 Not true.

00:50:28.000 Her mom had tuberculosis and died from tuberculosis, like half of everyone back then. 0.58

00:50:34.000 So she lied about that.

00:50:35.000 She told a fake story about a woman named Sadie Sachs who didn't know how she kept getting pregnant and the doctor refused to tell her because the bad male doctors just wanted the women to just keep having babies. 0.98

00:50:46.000 So they refused to tell them how that worked.

00:50:49.000 Which I went and asked my grandma.

00:50:50.000 I'm like, grandma, you were around like in this exact time period.

00:50:53.000 Did you and your mom like not know how babies were made?

00:50:56.000 And she was like, what are you talking about?

00:50:57.000 Of course we knew that.

00:50:58.000 In fact, she said after my sister was born, her younger sister was the fourth kid in the family, the doctor told my parents, like, you guys need to be careful, like time things and like try because it's, you know, she had some health problems.

00:51:11.000 And he's like, another baby might be risky.

00:51:13.000 So if you want to avoid that, here's how you avoid that.

00:51:16.000 She's like, of course we knew.

00:51:17.000 This idea.

00:51:18.000 People have known that since the beginning of time.

00:51:21.000 Of course they have, but she wrote a whole book that purported to have thousands of letters from women around the world writing to Margaret Sanger saying, I'm only 23 and I'm on my 14th baby.

00:51:35.000 I'm not kidding.

00:51:36.000 She would, she, the numbers were insane.

00:51:39.000 She was alleging that there were 23-year-olds who were on like their 11th pregnancy and dying from overbirth and that they just didn't know how to stop it.

00:51:48.000 And so she was like, this is why we need abortion clinics is for this reason. 0.81

00:51:54.000 Now, I looked into this because there's something called the Margaret Sanger Papers Project.

00:51:58.000 They have everything she's ever done.

00:52:00.000 If she wiped her mouth on a napkin, they've got that in the archives.

00:52:04.000 They have everything.

00:52:06.000 Do you think out of the thousands of letters she said that she got from women saying, I just can't stop having all these babies and it's killing me and I'm miserable.

00:52:14.000 How many do you think are preserved in the Margaret Sanger Papers Project?

00:52:18.000 How many?

00:52:19.000 Zero?

00:52:20.000 Three.

00:52:21.000 Three.

00:52:21.000 Three out of thousands.

00:52:23.000 And I emailed them directly and I asked, seems weird.

00:52:28.000 You guys have like literally letters that she wrote to her friends.

00:52:31.000 You have like all this documentation on everything she ever did.

00:52:34.000 Certainly if she was getting thousands of letters, you've got more than three.

00:52:37.000 And they said, well, we think it was mostly lost to time or she sent them to abortion doctors to encourage them to keep going because, you know, people didn't like abortion doctors.

00:52:48.000 So we think she sent it to a lot of abortion doctors to like, you know, give them a pep talk.

00:52:53.000 And yeah, we just don't really know.

00:52:56.000 It's just lost to time.

00:52:58.000 So you think she made a lot of it?

00:52:59.000 Yes.

00:52:59.000 Oh, yes.

00:53:00.000 Especially because if you read the book, nobody reads this crap, you know, except me. 0.99

00:53:04.000 I'm crazy. 0.99

00:53:05.000 Nobody else wants to read all of their horrible writing.

00:53:08.000 But in the book, if you're reading these letters, they sound literally like they're all written by the same person.

00:53:14.000 So it's extremely dubious at best.

00:53:18.000 I would love if, hey, if the Margaret Sanger Papers Project folks want to come and tell me like where all these are or if there's any proof of this, I would love to see it because I looked for two and a half years and couldn't find anything.

00:53:29.000 In fact, the most popular Sanger biographer in the world who like knows everything about her admits that she lied about tons of stuff.

00:53:38.000 She's like, oh, she lied about the Sadie Sachs story.

00:53:40.000 She lied about why her mother really died.

00:53:42.000 And she probably lied about, you know, those other stories and letters too.

00:53:47.000 But she believed it was for a noble cause.

00:53:50.000 She thought what she was doing was good.

00:53:52.000 And the other big secret is she was getting a lot of money.

00:53:55.000 She was getting paid by the Rockefeller Foundation and promoted by people like H.G. Wells, who she was also having an affair with.

00:54:03.000 They're all a bunch of creepers, Joe. 0.98

00:54:04.000 I'm telling you. 0.97

00:54:05.000 She was, she was an insane person in the book.

00:54:09.000 Yeah.

00:54:10.000 She was married and had three kids.

00:54:12.000 She left her kids in like hippie bohemian communities. 1.00

00:54:16.000 One of them died from neglect in one of these communities.

00:54:20.000 Didn't care about her kids at all. 0.98

00:54:22.000 In fact, one of her sons grew up and said, my sister would not be dead if my mother gave any shits about us whatsoever, but she didn't. 0.98

00:54:29.000 She was anywhere except where we were. 0.97

00:54:31.000 Any excuse to leave.

00:54:33.000 She let her ex-husband take the rap for her distributing illegal, illegal stuff about like abortion and birth control that the Comstock laws didn't allow that back then. 1.00

00:54:44.000 So she was wanted in court and was going to be put in jail for distributing that stuff. 1.00

00:54:48.000 She let her husband take the fall for it while she went to England and had affairs with people like H.G. Wells and Havelock Ellis.

00:54:54.000 And they were all bisexual and they were all occultists and doing all this crazy stuff. 1.00

00:55:00.000 But people, H.G. Wells called her the most incredible woman ever to live and said that she was going to have more impact on the future of humanity than any other person.

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00:56:26.000 Why do you think he thought that?

00:56:28.000 Because he was a eugenicist who loved the idea of millions of abortions a year.

00:56:32.000 H.G. Wells, the War of the Worlds guy, was a eugenicist.

00:56:36.000 You should have Jay Dyer on to tell you about H.G. Wells.

00:56:36.000 Yep.

00:56:39.000 I brought you his book.

00:56:40.000 I don't want to know.

00:56:41.000 I love the War of the Worlds.

00:56:44.000 He wrote some great fiction, but he was a die-hard Malthusian.

00:56:48.000 These people really believed.

00:56:49.000 It was actually a very popular thing.

00:56:51.000 We're talking like right after Darwinism.

00:56:54.000 We're talking about just before the Nazis.

00:56:56.000 We're talking about the Kaiser Wilhelm Foundation.

00:56:59.000 It was a very popular position to be in favor of social hygiene, as they called it, which was, you know, anybody with birth defects shouldn't be able to reproduce.

00:57:09.000 Anybody of the lower races or inferior mentally, any of those kind of people shouldn't reproduce because we want, you know, a cleaner, better human race going forward. 1.00

00:57:20.000 Oof.

00:57:21.000 Yeah.

00:57:21.000 So feminism was instrumental in that.

00:57:23.000 That's actually where the birth control pill came from as well.

00:57:27.000 Margaret Sanger, the Rockefeller Foundation, the Kaiser Wilhelm Foundation, and a lot of Nazi scientists are the ones who started synthesizing human hormones to make birth control pills. 0.54

00:57:38.000 And the way they sold that was they said, look, we know abortion is very unpopular.

00:57:42.000 People don't like it.

00:57:43.000 It's a very terrible thing that we have to do.

00:57:45.000 We have to do it because we don't want all these babies. 0.95

00:57:47.000 Ugh.

00:57:48.000 But, you know, if you let us have the birth control pill and you make it like widely available and socially acceptable, abortion will be a thing of the past. 0.91

00:57:58.000 Nobody will need one ever again.

00:57:59.000 That's how it was marketed and sold to the world.

00:58:02.000 And it sounds right.

00:58:03.000 It sounds reasonable.

00:58:05.000 Maybe it's better.

00:58:06.000 Maybe it's better just to prevent all the pregnancies and then we don't have to worry about abortions. 1.00

00:58:10.000 But here we are in 2026.

00:58:12.000 You can get abortion or you can get birth control pills for $4 at Walmart.

00:58:18.000 You can go down to your local health department in your county and get them for free if you're under a certain income status.

00:58:25.000 And we still have, well, at least before they overturned Roe v. Wade, we still had about a million abortions a year in this country. 0.58

00:58:31.000 Even with the shot and the pill and all these types of birth control and more education than we've ever had.

00:58:38.000 That was the other thing when I was in school, right?

00:58:40.000 More sex ed, more sex ed, and then no more teen pregnancies.

00:58:44.000 That hasn't panned out whatsoever.

00:58:46.000 It turns out that if you take all the stigma away from sexual activity, you tell everybody premarital sex is actually good. 0.60

00:58:53.000 You got to get in there and figure out how things work before you get married. 0.88

00:58:56.000 You don't want to just get married.

00:58:57.000 That's ew, that's weird.

00:58:59.000 We still have a million abortions a year. 1.00

00:59:01.000 We still have Plan B pills and things like this.

00:59:06.000 There's been more babies aborted in the last century than all the men that have been killed in all the wars of the 20th century.

00:59:15.000 Like far and away.

00:59:17.000 Yeah.

00:59:18.000 It's crazy.

00:59:19.000 So the Glorious Dynam CIA thing is nuts.

00:59:25.000 Yeah.

00:59:26.000 That's nuts.

00:59:27.000 Because the real tinfoil hat people want to think that the CIA has been involved in every single social aspect, including like the rock and roll movement of the 1960s.

00:59:27.000 Yeah.

00:59:37.000 And there seems to be some evidence.

00:59:39.000 Yeah.

00:59:40.000 And when you see like how far the tentacles actually go, and then you see it like in feminism, you go, wait, what? 1.00

00:59:51.000 She was what? 0.90

00:59:52.000 Yeah.

00:59:52.000 So explain.

00:59:54.000 So Glorious Dynam was recruited out of Smith College in the 50s.

00:59:58.000 It's an all-women's college. 0.75

01:00:00.000 She already had some pretty like left progressive kind of feminist leanings. 1.00

01:00:06.000 And this is generally how this works.

01:00:08.000 If you want to know how the left has taken over academia, I have a whole paper about this on my sub stack.

01:00:13.000 How NGOs and universities have just swung completely left and they have just captured the university systems.

01:00:22.000 They do it this way.

01:00:23.000 So they recruit her out of Smith College.

01:00:25.000 You know, she's writing papers about women's rights and feminism and stuff like that. 1.00

01:00:29.000 And they go, she's pretty good at this.

01:00:31.000 So they approach her and they say, we're willing to offer you something called the Chester Bulls Fellowship.

01:00:37.000 And she goes, what's that?

01:00:38.000 And they're like, well, it doesn't really exist.

01:00:39.000 We made it up for you.

01:00:40.000 Because what we're going to do is we're going to give you this fellowship.

01:00:43.000 We're going to send you to India. 1.00

01:00:45.000 We're going to send you to Europe.

01:00:46.000 We're going to have you tour the whole United States, do a media tour, start a magazine to promote women's rights, the things that you believe in. 1.00

01:00:53.000 So it's a little more sneaky than everybody sitting in a dark back room and like plotting some evil plan to like make America into a feminist hellhole. 0.88

01:01:04.000 It was more like, we're trying to promote liberal democracy around the world because it's part of the Cold War.

01:01:10.000 You're really good at this feminism stuff. 1.00

01:01:12.000 And if we can get a lot of women voting and if we can get them into universities and mobilize them as a political group, just similar to what they did with black people, convince blacks that you're all oppressed, you're all victims, and radicalize them and make them permanent Democrat voters. 0.91

01:01:30.000 Same thing that they did with feminism. 1.00

01:01:32.000 So they sent her to India where she worked for the Ford Foundation.

01:01:35.000 Again, the same people who created gender studies.

01:01:39.000 Learned a lot of interesting things over there in India.

01:01:42.000 Not sure what's going on in there.

01:01:43.000 I said in my book, it's like a hotbed of like theosophy and like crazy, like the Dalai Lama.

01:01:50.000 And there's a lot of weird stuff going on in India.

01:01:52.000 I don't know why they send everybody there.

01:01:54.000 And then when they leave India, they go and promote this weird stuff. 1.00

01:01:58.000 That's what they do.

01:01:59.000 So they sent her to like Eastern Europe, to a youth festival where she promoted feminism.

01:02:04.000 And this is at the time where the Eastern bloc is still communist and it's hard to get in there.

01:02:09.000 But as a woman, this is something traditionally they always do with women. 0.99

01:02:13.000 It's very easy to sneak female spies or propagandists in rather than men because they're less suspicious. 0.99

01:02:20.000 You know, it's like, oh, she just wants to promote education for women. 1.00

01:02:23.000 And they're like, fine, she can come, I guess, whatever.

01:02:26.000 So she's promoting feminism there. 1.00

01:02:28.000 Then she comes here.

01:02:29.000 She's undercover at the Playboy Mansion, weirdly.

01:02:32.000 Undercover?

01:02:33.000 Yeah, people didn't know she was CIA at this point.

01:02:36.000 She was like a Playboy bunny for a little while. 0.98

01:02:39.000 Yeah, she was at the Hugh Hefner mansion.

01:02:39.000 What?

01:02:42.000 Undercover as a Playboy bunny?

01:02:43.000 Yeah.

01:02:44.000 That's hilarious.

01:02:45.000 Yeah, to promote, she was kind of hot for like back in the day in the 70s, late 60s. 1.00

01:02:51.000 She was kind of hot. 1.00

01:02:52.000 Well, compared to the other feminists we had to choose from. 1.00

01:02:54.000 Who else did we have?

01:02:55.000 Betty Friedan?

01:02:57.000 I don't know.

01:02:58.000 Is there any photos of Gloria Steinem at the mansion?

01:03:01.000 Yeah, there's a picture of her in the bunny costume.

01:03:04.000 Oh, we've got to see that.

01:03:05.000 Yeah, maybe Jamie can pull it up.

01:03:07.000 There's video too.

01:03:08.000 I'm trying to see which is better.

01:03:10.000 Yeah, so, and that was to promote the sexual liberation stuff, right?

01:03:14.000 Hey, women can. 1.00

01:03:15.000 For the CIA.

01:03:16.000 Yeah.

01:03:19.000 Well, yeah, it doesn't say she's for the CIA here, but Undercover Playboy Bunny. 0.99

01:03:25.000 It's an HBO original.

01:03:27.000 Wow, there's a documentary on it.

01:03:29.000 That's crazy.

01:03:30.000 I wonder how they frame it.

01:03:32.000 This says it's for going about exploiting women and low wages. 0.97

01:03:38.000 Let me see the photos of her down there.

01:03:40.000 Where?

01:03:41.000 Below, where it says images?

01:03:42.000 Click on one of those where it's her.

01:03:45.000 Yeah, she's pretty. 1.00

01:03:46.000 Yeah, good enough.

01:03:48.000 That's on her? 0.97

01:03:48.000 I saw her. 0.97

01:03:49.000 Christy Alley.

01:03:50.000 Yeah.

01:03:50.000 Is that Christie Alley playing her?

01:03:50.000 Oh.

01:03:52.000 Must be.

01:03:53.000 She played her.

01:03:53.000 Oh, yeah.

01:03:55.000 That was in, for what year was that?

01:03:57.000 85.

01:03:58.000 Wow.

01:04:00.000 That's crazy.

01:04:01.000 She did come out in her memoirs and talk about it.

01:04:04.000 Interesting.

01:04:04.000 And she also talked about that.

01:04:05.000 But did she talk about that she was working for the CIA?

01:04:07.000 Yes.

01:04:08.000 So she started Ms. Magazine with CIA funding.

01:04:11.000 She was working with like Clay Felker and a couple of other.

01:04:14.000 Is that her?

01:04:15.000 No, that's not her either.

01:04:17.000 She was okay.

01:04:18.000 I mean, it was nothing thrilling.

01:04:20.000 But it was good enough to get her in there.

01:04:22.000 And like I said, her and Betty Friedan had like this rivalry, this vicious rivalry in the press because Friedan was a Marxist.

01:04:29.000 There's always been this battle between the liberal capitalist type of feminists and the Marxist type of feminists. 1.00

01:04:36.000 And Betty Friedan was not attractive. 1.00

01:04:38.000 She was very frumpy. 0.99

01:04:39.000 She was older.

01:04:40.000 And the press loved Steinem because she was like stylish and cool.

01:04:43.000 She had like highlights in her hair and she was kind of a hippie. 1.00

01:04:47.000 So she got all the press and she started Ms. Magazine, which there's a whole bunch on that in my book as well.

01:04:54.000 But yeah, it was like, it was part of the Cold War.

01:04:56.000 It was part of pushing like the liberal democracy stuff to contrast it against like the communist Eastern bloc at the time.

01:05:07.000 And it was very useful.

01:05:09.000 There's extensive writing from so many people in this movement about how, hey, if you can get women, young women, into universities, they're very easy to propagandize.

01:05:20.000 They're very easy to program with whatever worldview you want to give them.

01:05:24.000 And if you want to make them into revolutionaries, they make excellent revolutionaries. 0.99

01:05:28.000 This is why right now you see women in Minnesota and Portland and LA going up to ICE agents and getting in their face and calling them names and, oh, you got a small dick, little man. 1.00

01:05:41.000 You think you're tough shit? 1.00

01:05:42.000 If you're wondering why, why is it women? 1.00

01:05:45.000 Why are women trying to like fight ICE agents in the streets? 1.00

01:05:48.000 It's because we send them all to college.

01:05:50.000 They get indoctrinated with this Marxist feminist worldview that masculinity is toxic and bad, that men are inherently violent and oppressive, and women are inherently like mother nature earth types who bring goodness and fairness into the world, make sure everyone has enough to eat. 0.97

01:06:09.000 This is the like false dialectic that everyone gets taught.

01:06:13.000 So they see what these women see when they see ICE arresting, even if it's a sex criminal who has warrants, they don't care. 0.99

01:06:21.000 They see him as a sweet, innocent victim of the evil white patriarchy. 0.98

01:06:25.000 That these are fascist Nazis coming to arrest the beautiful baby immigrants who are helpless and need protection from mommy. 0.99

01:06:32.000 So they weaponize that. 0.80

01:06:33.000 Did you see there's a video of this guy going up to people to try to get people that ICE has deported brought back into the country?

01:06:43.000 Have you seen his video?

01:06:43.000 No.

01:06:44.000 Let me send it to you, because it's quite funny because he's explaining how one of them, the one who wants to get back in the country, has committed five murders, but he thinks he needs a second chance, and they're 100% agreeing with him.

01:06:58.000 It's like, it's one of the funniest things. 0.95

01:07:00.000 It's like you just, you see how fucking kooky people are with this stuff. 0.98

01:07:06.000 That it's not like, oh, wow, he's a bad person. 0.97

01:07:09.000 It's like, no, in their little tiny, blinder-sided ideological bubble, anybody that gets deported should be brought in.

01:07:18.000 ICE is bad.

01:07:19.000 Immigrants are good.

01:07:20.000 And without any regard whatsoever to the consequences of bringing over murderers and rapists and drug dealers and gang members.

01:07:20.000 Yeah.

01:07:27.000 Put your headphones on real quick.

01:07:29.000 Because this is kooky.

01:07:32.000 Bring back illegal immigrants who were deported by ICE. 1.00

01:07:35.000 We're with to bring them back in people.

01:07:36.000 Can we get your signature for our petition?

01:07:38.000 We just need your name and email address.

01:07:40.000 Specifically, we're trying to bring back Edwin Hernandez from El Salvador.

01:07:45.000 We do have to disclose to you, though, that he is an admitted member of MS-13, and he did kill five people back in El Salvador, but we think he deserves a second chance, and we want to get him back.

01:07:55.000 That's him right there.

01:07:59.000 What do you guys think about what's going on with ICE in this country?

01:08:02.000 Oh, it's appalling, I guess.

01:08:05.000 It's maybe not even a strong enough word.

01:08:07.000 So, yeah, we're from Maine.

01:08:09.000 There's been a lot of ICE activity in Maine.

01:08:12.000 Yeah, up in Portland.

01:08:12.000 Up in Portland, right?

01:08:13.000 Yeah, that's where we live.

01:08:14.000 Yeah.

01:08:15.000 So I'm a teacher, and there were lots of students there that were afraid to come to school.

01:08:21.000 Thank you so much.

01:08:23.000 Hopefully, we can get Edwin Hernandez back.

01:08:25.000 So he doesn't have to be criminally convicted in El Salvador, right?

01:08:25.000 Yeah.

01:08:29.000 Thank you so much.

01:08:29.000 Yes.

01:08:30.000 Thank you.

01:08:31.000 Good work. 0.96

01:08:34.000 Bring that murderer back. 0.83

01:08:35.000 Who is he?

01:08:36.000 MS-13 gang member who has killed five people?

01:08:38.000 Yeah, bring him back.

01:08:39.000 She's the perfect, she's the perfect example.

01:08:42.000 She's a school teacher. 0.92

01:08:44.000 What school teacher do you know who's not liberal?

01:08:46.000 Very few.

01:08:47.000 Very few.

01:08:48.000 And most of K-12 is female teachers.

01:08:51.000 By the time you get to high school, there's a few more, but I think it's like 80, 90% of school teachers are women. 0.99

01:08:56.000 So they go to university, they go for education, and they almost inevitably end up getting some kind of women's studies course thrown in there. 0.97

01:09:04.000 And so they're taught this worldview that white men are evil and oppressive to women, to minorities, to poor people. 0.96

01:09:12.000 So they see Edwin Hernandez, whatever his name, well, sure, he murdered five people, but he wouldn't have done that if he wasn't poor and oppressed by the evil white patriarchy. 0.99

01:09:22.000 It's not fair. 0.94

01:09:23.000 And so she wants to protect him.

01:09:25.000 And she said, there's kids who are afraid to come to school.

01:09:29.000 You know, the kids are afraid.

01:09:31.000 It's just like the Democrats last night with their little reply to Trump's State of the Union, where they said the same thing.

01:09:37.000 Oh, if you've been trying to protect your neighbors from the Gestapo who's coming to arrest them, we understand how stressful that is.

01:09:44.000 They just create this completely false narrative.

01:09:47.000 That's not how the world really works.

01:09:50.000 Ask the average white man out there who he's oppressing because most of them are just working hard as Amazon delivery drivers or plumbers or sewage workers or something like that.

01:10:01.000 The average white man has never had like this incredible amount of power.

01:10:05.000 It's all framing.

01:10:06.000 The minute you take away and destroy the framing that everyone accepts, this all falls apart, which is why I wrote the book.

01:10:13.000 Because I'm like, if women knew, specifically, women like me, this is supposed to be for us.

01:10:20.000 This whole movement was supposed to be for me and my daughters to liberate us.

01:10:26.000 And I was like, okay, from what?

01:10:29.000 From the people who have the best interest in protecting me.

01:10:32.000 My father, my husband, my brother, the men around me.

01:10:36.000 Order to believe the feminist narrative that men have systemically just always wanted to keep women down and oppress them, you'd have to believe that they didn't care about their mothers, their daughters, their sisters, their grandmothers, their neighbor lady.

01:10:51.000 Just all the men wanted to just systemically oppress the women so that they could have free maids and sex bot women at home. 0.98

01:11:00.000 There was a ton of propaganda in the 70s as well about this. 0.97

01:11:03.000 Remember the Stepford Wives movie where it was revealed in the movie plot that all the evil men in this nice suburban neighborhood full of white people, they all had sex bot wives. 0.96

01:11:14.000 They didn't want their real wives. 1.00

01:11:16.000 They wanted a mindless sex bot that cleaned the house and baked casseroles. 1.00

01:11:20.000 And this was supposed to imply that this is why men are oppressing you. 1.00

01:11:25.000 They don't want you to have a brain.

01:11:27.000 They don't want you to have input.

01:11:28.000 They don't want to hear your thoughts on things or have you be a real person.

01:11:32.000 They just want you to serve them.

01:11:35.000 You know what I mean?

01:11:36.000 That's not how life is.

01:11:38.000 Life's a lot more complicated than that.

01:11:40.000 But when you fill the university systems with this and then you fill the workplace with it, we've got HR, we've got Me Too, we've got all these systems in place now that actually promote feminism. 1.00

01:11:53.000 It's far and away the dominant social aspect of the culture.

01:11:58.000 Look at every female celebrity, every single one of them. 1.00

01:12:02.000 Think of the top ones like Kylie Jenner, Taylor Swift, Beyonce, Katie Perry, any of the really popular female pop culture.

01:12:12.000 They're all girl boss sexual liberation. 1.00

01:12:16.000 Shitting on your ex-boyfriend, men ain't shit. 1.00

01:12:19.000 I'm going to dominate him with my sexy physique and my sexual prowess. 1.00

01:12:24.000 And it turns out that a lot of the ancient goddess worship, which was really popular with feminists in the 70s, there was a huge revival of that. 0.77

01:12:33.000 A lot of the goddess archetypes that they brought back had those same themes.

01:12:38.000 Like the goddess Kali, who's a Hindu goddess with eight arms and blue skin and a tongue hanging out of her mouth and all of her depictions in Hinduism, the feminists chose that and put it on the cover of the first issue of Ms. Magazine in 1973.

01:12:55.000 That seems like a weird choice if you're trying to get suburban moms in 1973 to buy your magazine to put this blue-skinned, terrifying Hindu goddess on the cover. 0.98

01:13:05.000 So why did they do that?

01:13:06.000 Well, because they had her holding an iron and a baby and like all these domestic things, right? 0.98

01:13:11.000 And the goddess Kali symbolizes, at least two feminists, vengeance against men, taking back power from men and having your revenge on them because that goddess only accepts male sacrifice, male human sacrifice, especially on the battlefield.

01:13:26.000 She like drinks the blood of deceased male warriors.

01:13:29.000 Yeah.

01:13:31.000 And she's intentionally terrifying and she's supposed to like symbolize this.

01:13:35.000 Let me see what she looks like, Jamie.

01:13:37.000 If you pull up that, just put up the Ms. magazine.

01:13:37.000 Yeah.

01:13:42.000 There it is.

01:13:45.000 Women tell the truth about their abortions. 1.00

01:13:48.000 Wow.

01:13:49.000 I'm raising kids without sex roles.

01:13:51.000 1973.

01:13:52.000 I think.

01:13:53.000 Yep.

01:13:53.000 Wow.

01:13:54.000 On the housewife's moment of truth.

01:13:56.000 This was the huge propaganda campaign to convince women that staying home and raising your own kids is actually horrific oppression and it's abuse and you're enslaved.

01:14:08.000 You want to be at work working for your boss.

01:14:10.000 You want to be paying those taxes.

01:14:12.000 You want to don't submit to your husband.

01:14:15.000 Submit to your boss, though.

01:14:16.000 Right.

01:14:17.000 That's fine.

01:14:19.000 Or become the boss.

01:14:20.000 Yeah.

01:14:20.000 Or become the boss, which, again, we've had 50 years of trying to push women to be the boss.

01:14:25.000 And guess what?

01:14:26.000 They really don't want to.

01:14:27.000 And this is what I always say.

01:14:28.000 Some of them do, though.

01:14:30.000 Some of them do.

01:14:31.000 That's true.

01:14:32.000 They're not a lot of fun.

01:14:33.000 They're not.

01:14:34.000 I would say there's always been like 5% of women who are genuine outliers, who are really not cut out for motherhood, who can go out there and crush it, who are going to do something else. 0.85

01:14:43.000 Historically, usually it was like maybe you would become a monastic, like a nun or something.

01:14:48.000 Maybe you would run a boarding school or a tavern.

01:14:51.000 Like women have owned businesses and done other things in almost every culture. 1.00

01:14:55.000 But you should be free to do that.

01:14:57.000 The issue is like, are we indoctrinating people into a very specific ideology in schools and universities?

01:15:04.000 Yes.

01:15:04.000 And is that why they're going into something that really, maybe they're not that outlier and they wouldn't really be interested in it?

01:15:12.000 You know, I was talking the other day about this video that I saw on Instagram a while back where there was this woman.

01:15:18.000 She was talking about how when she was in college, she was dating this guy who was a Christian and he wanted a traditional family and he's like, I'll take care of you and I'll raise our kids.

01:15:28.000 And she goes, I didn't want that.

01:15:29.000 I wanted to go out there in the world.

01:15:31.000 So I got my education and I got the job and I'm doing the thing that I want to do and I don't want it.

01:15:39.000 She goes, I don't.

01:15:40.000 And she was crying.

01:15:40.000 She was like, I don't want it.

01:15:42.000 She goes, like, this is not what I want.

01:15:44.000 I'm not happy. 0.99

01:15:45.000 And I fucked up. 0.99

01:15:47.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:15:47.000 And it's just crazy. 0.99

01:15:49.000 You're like, how many people silently feel like that?

01:15:52.000 Yeah.

01:15:53.000 Well, the truth is that since this book came out a few years ago, I've paid a pretty high personal cost for putting this information out there.

01:16:01.000 And in the first chapter, I say, look, I'm just going to present to you the actual facts about the history and what really happened because I think it's for you women to decide.

01:16:10.000 This is supposed to be for you.

01:16:12.000 I want you guys to look at what really happened and the results of that.

01:16:17.000 And the whole last chapter is like a ton of statistics about where are we now after 50 years of this being the super dominant thing.

01:16:25.000 It's not great.

01:16:26.000 It's not great.

01:16:27.000 But I was like, I want women to have the ability to look at it truthfully for themselves and decide what they think.

01:16:33.000 And I have been slandered.

01:16:36.000 I have been, the things that have been said about me, the lies and the gossip that have been spread like online, calling me everything under the sun, just wild, crazy rumors about my personal life that are not true.

01:16:49.000 That's going to happen.

01:16:50.000 Yes, it is.

01:16:50.000 It is going to happen.

01:16:51.000 It says anything controversial.

01:16:53.000 It's kind of seen as somebody betraying the sisterhood, right?

01:16:56.000 Because we're so programmed that it's like the knee-jerk reaction from women oftentimes. 1.00

01:17:01.000 But I get hundreds now, emails, DMs, letters in the mail even to our P.O. box from women. 0.89

01:17:09.000 Like one was a lady who was like, I'm 60 years old. 1.00

01:17:13.000 I'm sitting here reading your book and it's covered with tears because I fell for this shit. 0.99

01:17:18.000 Now I'm 60 years old. 1.00

01:17:19.000 I have no husband.

01:17:20.000 I have no kids. 1.00

01:17:21.000 I have a shitty job that I hate. 1.00

01:17:23.000 I'm going to die alone. 1.00

01:17:25.000 And I can't go back and change any of it.

01:17:27.000 What do I do?

01:17:27.000 Do you know who's upset about it too?

01:17:29.000 The lady who created Sex in the City. 1.00

01:17:32.000 Oh, yeah.

01:17:33.000 Did you see that?

01:17:34.000 Yes.

01:17:34.000 She's a gem.

01:17:35.000 There's like a little video about that, isn't there?

01:17:38.000 Where she said that she regrets having ever made that.

01:17:43.000 Yeah.

01:17:44.000 Isn't that crazy?

01:17:45.000 Because how many women saw that and like, I'm going to be that boss girl? 0.99

01:17:48.000 I'm going to be the, what was the one lady that fucked everybody, the hot blonde lady? 1.00

01:17:48.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:17:53.000 Samantha.

01:17:53.000 Jamie.

01:17:54.000 Aren't you a giant fan of Sex in the City?

01:17:56.000 No, but that's the character's name.

01:17:58.000 Character or actor.

01:18:00.000 Samantha is the character.

01:18:00.000 Both.

01:18:02.000 Yeah.

01:18:03.000 That lady, she was in all the like 80s. 1.00

01:18:05.000 Tim Catroll.

01:18:06.000 That's it.

01:18:07.000 Yes.

01:18:07.000 Super hot.

01:18:08.000 Yeah.

01:18:08.000 And I was like, I'm going to be like her.

01:18:10.000 I'm going to be a Samantha.

01:18:11.000 Yeah, I know.

01:18:12.000 Well, I mean, it was pushed on me really hard. 1.00

01:18:15.000 And I was told, I was told you're like a loser. 0.99

01:18:18.000 I'll never forget this. 0.99

01:18:19.000 It was like maybe 12 years ago.

01:18:22.000 Somebody from the RNC that I was arguing with online about this, she told me, you should be ashamed of yourself.

01:18:29.000 You are not a proper conservative woman and you are not contributing to the movement by staying home with your kids. 0.98

01:18:34.000 And I said, really?

01:18:34.000 How's that?

01:18:35.000 She goes, what about the GDP?

01:18:39.000 I was like, the GDP?

01:18:42.000 She's like, if you were a real Republican, you'd be out there working and contributing to the GDP.

01:18:47.000 And I was like, you're right.

01:18:49.000 Raising five children and trying to make them the best human beings I can help them be.

01:18:56.000 Who wants to do that? 0.99

01:18:57.000 I should get out there and work for a corporation.

01:18:59.000 That's true.

01:19:00.000 The GDP was her argument.

01:19:01.000 Yeah, and that's crazy.

01:19:03.000 I debate feminists all the time online. 1.00

01:19:06.000 I'm pretty undefeated if anybody wants a piece.

01:19:08.000 Well, here's the thing about liberals online.

01:19:11.000 I was just talking to Andrew about this.

01:19:12.000 She said that was so incorrect a take on her.

01:19:15.000 The opposite is true.

01:19:16.000 I've never regretted not having children.

01:19:17.000 I feel compelled to have a career since I was a child, but who's judging?

01:19:22.000 Not me.

01:19:23.000 Read all about it in my new book.

01:19:25.000 But I thought, so why does it say here, Sex in the City writer Candace Bush Nell 60 admits she regrets choosing a career or having children as she's now truly alone?

01:19:33.000 I don't know.

01:19:34.000 I would imagine she was selling a book and they're paying some out to get some headlines.

01:19:34.000 And then there's a link.

01:19:39.000 This is the Daily Mail, though.

01:19:41.000 The Daily Mail is a little sus, right?

01:19:43.000 It's pretty suspicious.

01:19:44.000 Click on that, highlight that, and click on that article, that Daily Mail article.

01:19:48.000 Like, did they quote her?

01:19:49.000 Even if it's just the Daily Mail, there's definitely plenty of other women who push this who say they regret it.

01:19:57.000 But I wonder, like, how are they able to say that she regrets this if there's no quote attached to it?

01:20:03.000 So what does it say here?

01:20:05.000 Then when I got divorced, I was in my 50s, started to see the impact of not having children and being truly alone.

01:20:10.000 Okay.

01:20:11.000 I do see that people with children have an anchor in a way that people who have no kids don't.

01:20:16.000 Okay.

01:20:17.000 And what does it say below that?

01:20:18.000 Anymore?

01:20:18.000 Does she elaborate?

01:20:20.000 She explained that she didn't feel like dating in her 2000 after her 2012 divorce, ballet dancer.

01:20:27.000 She married a ballet dancer.

01:20:28.000 Red flag.

01:20:30.000 This was a new one that's been around for a while.

01:20:32.000 Sorry, male ballet dancers.

01:20:34.000 I'm just kidding.

01:20:35.000 It's not that long to get to my age.

01:20:38.000 I know women who have gone longer. 0.98

01:20:42.000 That was it.

01:20:43.000 Yeah, I was just looking her up.

01:20:43.000 That was the entire quote.

01:20:45.000 Well, I can see why they took it that way then.

01:20:47.000 Yeah, that seems like.

01:20:47.000 Maybe she's saying overall she still thinks it was better to go after a while.

01:20:51.000 Or maybe she's just gaslighting everybody to sell a book. 0.98

01:20:53.000 Could be.

01:20:54.000 Maybe she's like, you want to sell that book?

01:20:56.000 You better be like on the go-go boss girl. 0.99

01:21:01.000 I suppose so.

01:21:02.000 But like you asked me, like, do women really want to be in the workplace or are they only kind of really choosing? 0.94

01:21:08.000 Well, isn't that a giant generalization anyway?

01:21:11.000 Right, of course it is.

01:21:12.000 Obviously, some women do and some women don't. 1.00

01:21:14.000 And there's a lot of women who naturally maternally want to have children and want to have a family. 1.00

01:21:19.000 And then it's also finding a guy that you can trust, that you care about and you think is going to stick with you and he's really going to be invested in this whole thing.

01:21:26.000 And someone who's like a solid man who's not going to become an alcoholic and lose his job and fall apart. 1.00

01:21:32.000 Yeah, you're fucked. 1.00

01:21:33.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:21:34.000 So it happened.

01:21:35.000 That can happen to anybody.

01:21:36.000 But that aside, for just a moment, Simone de Beauvoir, arguably the biggest feminist of Second Wave, the French intellectual who was buddies with Jean-Paul Sartre and they got in trouble for grooming underage kids and seducing them and all kinds of crazy stuff. 1.00

01:21:53.000 But she's respected as the greatest feminist intellectual of the 20th century and she was super influential.

01:21:59.000 And in a 1970s interview with Betty Friedan, she said, I don't believe that society should give women the opportunity or the choice to stay home and be mothers because if we do, they're all going to pick that. 0.99

01:22:12.000 And I don't think it should be an option.

01:22:13.000 So it was the view of the feminists that, yeah, and Susan B. Anthony and Elizabeth Cady Stanton said that. 1.00

01:22:21.000 They said, we would have never passed suffrage had it not been for men.

01:22:26.000 If it was ever left up to women alone, we would have never passed suffrage. 0.99

01:22:30.000 They would have never gone for it.

01:22:31.000 They don't want liberation.

01:22:32.000 Now, of course, from their view, they're like, well, it's because they're oppressed and they don't know that they hate their solid, their slavery yet.

01:22:39.000 They just haven't realized how oppressed they are.

01:22:42.000 And if they could see it, you know, for what it is, they wouldn't like it.

01:22:46.000 But we couldn't convince them for a hundred years.

01:22:48.000 We had to convince the men that don't you want your daughters to like have their own money and this and that.

01:22:55.000 So the feminists themselves say women didn't want it. 1.00

01:22:59.000 If we ever left it up to women, they wouldn't have ever chosen it. 1.00

01:23:01.000 Like at least not as a whole.

01:23:03.000 Sure, there would always have been a minority, but I would argue that the minority of women who fought for that were the ones that the status quo historically of get yourself a good man, have a family, stay home, it doesn't work for them. 1.00

01:23:19.000 So like a lot of them, there's a book about this.

01:23:23.000 Edward Dutton wrote a book about witches, feminism, and the fall of the west where he says traditionally, like women, the archetype of the witch being ugly and haggard and living on the outside of town, it's kind of historically accurate. 0.81

01:23:35.000 Most of the feminists, like, have you ever seen a picture of Susan B. Anthony for example? 1.00

01:23:39.000 I have not.

01:23:41.000 She is aesthetically challenged, we'll say that. 0.55

01:23:45.000 So is Betty Friedan.

01:23:46.000 So are a lot of these women. 1.00

01:23:47.000 Not all, but a lot of them are.

01:23:49.000 A lot of men were not really interested in them.

01:23:51.000 I think they look at the system and they go, well, this isn't fair to me.

01:23:54.000 You know, I'm smart.

01:23:55.000 I can do other things.

01:23:56.000 I'm just a baby factory.

01:23:58.000 The amount of women who have called me a baby factory is pretty insane because I have five kids. 1.00

01:24:03.000 Well, they're not fun women. 1.00

01:24:04.000 No, they're not fun women. 1.00

01:24:06.000 I don't want to be you. 0.99

01:24:07.000 You're just a baby factory. 0.99

01:24:09.000 It's just the same kind of men that call me toxic male. 0.99

01:24:12.000 Oh, yeah.

01:24:13.000 You know, it's just.

01:24:15.000 How dare you be a successful masculine archetype of a man?

01:24:19.000 It's very threatening.

01:24:19.000 You're not always.

01:24:20.000 It's very threatening to people.

01:24:20.000 Right.

01:24:22.000 Well, in some ways, I'm the weirdest person to be here talking about this because I grew up a tomboy and I have a lot of like people use this against me.

01:24:31.000 They're like, oh, you're actually really masculine for a woman. 0.86

01:24:33.000 You may not always look super masculine.

01:24:35.000 Well, you're really into firearms.

01:24:36.000 I'm really, I'm a firearms instructor.

01:24:38.000 I love weightlifting.

01:24:39.000 I'm like an OG meathead.

01:24:41.000 I love bodybuilding.

01:24:42.000 I did powerlifting for years.

01:24:44.000 I grew up on farms playing in the mud with the other boys in the neighborhood.

01:24:49.000 That's what I liked to do.

01:24:51.000 But I think that when you grow up like that as a woman, you realize like, I'm really strong for a woman.

01:24:57.000 I can deadlift 250 pounds for sets of five.

01:25:00.000 But the guy next to me who has never trained in his life can do that too.

01:25:04.000 And you give him six months in the gym and he's going to blow past me.

01:25:08.000 You know, you just, you have a more realistic understanding of how that works.

01:25:13.000 And I think that in the modern era, all the feminist side debate, they live in this world that we're sitting in this studio right now. 0.62

01:25:20.000 And all this wonderful stuff that allows me to be here talking to you and talking to all the folks that are watching, the microphone, the technology, everything was built by men.

01:25:30.000 You'll hear the Hedi Lamar thing that she came up with. 0.93

01:25:33.000 No, it's not true.

01:25:33.000 Wi-Fi.

01:25:34.000 Really?

01:25:35.000 No, it's not true.

01:25:37.000 She worked with a man on a precursor to it, but it wasn't her.

01:25:42.000 It wasn't like she by her.

01:25:44.000 I think so.

01:25:46.000 I think they actually were.

01:25:47.000 I think it was one of her boyfriends.

01:25:49.000 I could be wrong on that, but no, if you like, even if you just ask Grock, is that really true?

01:25:54.000 And it's like, ah, well, a little bit, but not really.

01:25:58.000 But far and away, men are the builders and maintainers of infrastructure and technology.

01:26:03.000 And they always will be.

01:26:04.000 Because the truth is women have had 100 years to get into that stuff and they just don't really want to. 1.00

01:26:09.000 They'd rather be interior designers or psychologists or things that are, you know, about people and social dynamics and, you know, aesthetics and stuff like that.

01:26:19.000 I'm that way too.

01:26:20.000 I have like a really strong intellectual, logical side.

01:26:23.000 I love debating and all that kind of stuff.

01:26:26.000 But I also love smelling babies' heads and dressing them in cute little outfits.

01:26:30.000 And, you know, I love glitter and sparkly things.

01:26:32.000 So it is what it is.

01:26:34.000 Women don't want to go be men. 1.00

01:26:36.000 Right.

01:26:37.000 That's what we're finding out after 100 years of this is that when you make women be men, they hate it. 0.98

01:26:42.000 Like that lady that tried to be a man. 1.00

01:26:45.000 Have you heard of that story where the woman tried to pose as a man for like a year and she ended up deleting herself, I think?

01:26:52.000 Oh.

01:26:53.000 Because it was so horrible.

01:26:54.000 Like it was so awful.

01:26:56.000 She was like, life as a man is awful. 0.82

01:26:58.000 It's tough.

01:26:59.000 It's hard.

01:26:59.000 Nobody cares about your feelings.

01:27:01.000 Nobody's coming to rescue you.

01:27:02.000 And I think women growing up in this era, they don't think about when they turn on the light switch in the morning, how that happens. 0.66

01:27:10.000 When they get in their car and drive to work, they don't think about who built the road they're driving on, who built the cars or designed them or who changes their oil is all men.

01:27:18.000 When they flush the toilet, they don't think about, hey, if that toilet backs up or the sewage, you know, the sewer treatment plant has a problem, it's going to be men that go in and fix it.

01:27:26.000 If there's a hurricane or an ice storm, who's going to be back out in the dangerous weather trying to rescue people and get the power back on?

01:27:33.000 It's going to be men. 0.94

01:27:34.000 I'm waiting for the feminists to come and rescue all the people from the floodwaters and to put the power lines back up after the tornadoes come through. 1.00

01:27:43.000 So far, they have not appeared.

01:27:46.000 They haven't shown up to do the dirty, dangerous, and difficult jobs that men do.

01:27:51.000 And I'll believe them that what they want is equality when they start signing up for those jobs.

01:27:56.000 Well, it's just such a bizarre perspective to think that it's not a huge task to raise children and to care for them and communicate with them and see to their emotional needs and help them solve things and figure things out and help them with their schoolwork and just normal stuff that is so crucial to the development of a child.

01:28:21.000 And we've somehow, because there's no monetary, you can't like put a number on that, like how valuable it is, it's not valuable.

01:28:29.000 If it's not bringing in money, if it's not contributing to the GDP.

01:28:33.000 Yes.

01:28:33.000 Yeah.

01:28:35.000 That whole, the like myth of women's unpaid labor. 1.00

01:28:38.000 I'm glad you brought that up.

01:28:39.000 I just finished a huge project that I'm working on with Andrew, my excellent has a handsome husband, and Stephen Crowder, Dr. David Patrick Harry, and Rob Noor, who's a champion debater.

01:28:52.000 We put together a feminist debate course that's coming out really soon.

01:28:55.000 I think this week.

01:28:56.000 I think it drops this week.

01:28:57.000 And we go over all these myths and debunk them.

01:29:00.000 And we show people and demonstrate how to debate this feminism thing because it's a leviathan. 1.00

01:29:06.000 It's a beast. 0.96

01:29:07.000 If you take it on, like one of the reasons I'm out here doing it is because when men try to argue against feminism or feminists, they immediately get slapped with you're a misogynist, you hate women, you're an incel, all the tropes. 1.00

01:29:19.000 You have a small dick. 1.00

01:29:20.000 What are you gay? 1.00

01:29:21.000 Like just all the insults, right? 0.99

01:29:23.000 Well, when I sit in front of them and make those arguments, you can't really just get away with that.

01:29:28.000 You have to contend with them because I'm a woman.

01:29:30.000 Right.

01:29:30.000 I mean, you could try to insult me, but it's not going to land the same as when you do that to a man.

01:29:35.000 So we put together this course to try to help people deconstruct the framing that's been built, question all the founding axioms that feminism was this good, necessary, grassroots thing, that it's good for women, that if it ever went away, all the women would be chained to the stove in servitude, not allowed to learn how to read or drive a car.

01:29:57.000 When you hear about like women's oppression in the Middle East, that's a result of Islam. 1.00

01:30:01.000 In Christendom, that was never a thing.

01:30:03.000 Like even in like ancient Christianity was one of the first places that women were really seen as full human beings. 0.97

01:30:10.000 And a lot of it's because of the Theotokos, the mother of God, the Virgin Mary, being the ark of the new covenant that brought Christ into the world for man's salvation.

01:30:20.000 She was even asked by an angel and she said, let it be so.

01:30:24.000 Which is so bizarre that modern feminist women support Islam. 0.99

01:30:28.000 Yes, they do. 0.99

01:30:29.000 And they hate Christianity and they hate the Virgin Mary.

01:30:33.000 They don't like her being an archetype of virginity and motherhood, you know, and strength and men's salvation.

01:30:41.000 They don't like that.

01:30:41.000 But they'll support Islam all day long.

01:30:44.000 That's fine.

01:30:45.000 It's so strange.

01:30:48.000 It's so strange that it worked.

01:30:51.000 It's so strange that something that goes against actual human nature somehow or another became the prevailing ideology amongst liberal women.

01:31:01.000 The occult aspect of it was very shocking.

01:31:05.000 Yes.

01:31:05.000 It's very weird.

01:31:06.000 It was very shocking to me.

01:31:07.000 You didn't know.

01:31:08.000 When I started researching to put together the book, I thought it was going to be mostly about the funding of the feminist movement, the Jekyll Island Club, being the same guys that like went to the Jekyll Island in secret and put together the income tax and the Federal Reserve and the compulsory education system.

01:31:26.000 I thought it would be mostly about that and the fact that women never wanted it, that women weren't the ones that just came together and demanded it. 0.97

01:31:34.000 And then I started researching all the like popular figureheads and really reading their stuff because I was like, this is a very unpopular, I'm making pretty intense claims here.

01:31:45.000 So I really have to be able to back it up and I better make sure I'm correct and I better make sure I'm accurate because whenever you're challenging a narrative this big, everyone's going to go through with a fine-tooth comb and try to see where I'm wrong or see if I'm lying or see if I'm twisting things.

01:31:59.000 So I did two and a half years of just reading feminist literature. 1.00

01:32:05.000 It was rough, but I got through it.

01:32:07.000 And what I found was, holy moly, most of these women, almost all, but certainly most, were into spiritualism, which was like a big 1800s movement of like trying to do seances and contact the dead and things like that.

01:32:25.000 Theosophy, which combines like Eastern occult practices with like other Western traditions, ancient goddess worship, New Age stuff, and even Satanism and Luciferianism.

01:32:40.000 In fact, in my book, I cite a book that's a PhD thesis by a professor from Norway.

01:32:45.000 His name's Per Faxneld.

01:32:47.000 I don't know if that's the way you pronounce it, but that's how it's spelled, P-E-R.

01:32:51.000 It's called Satanic Feminism, his book.

01:32:54.000 And now he himself is a Satanist.

01:32:57.000 He's a Luciferian himself.

01:32:58.000 So he sees it as a good thing that the women of the 19th century openly declared Lucifer as their liberator and the mascot of their movement.

01:33:08.000 Now you would look back and think these were Christian women because they were in like New England and stuff in the United States, Puritan communities and things like this. 0.99

01:33:17.000 But they weren't.

01:33:18.000 In fact, Elizabeth Cady Stanton and a bunch of her friends wrote something called the Woman's Bible in 1895, where they rewrote the Bible from a feminist perspective and took out the things that they thought were oppressive and patriarchal. 0.94

01:33:34.000 And in the intro, Stanton herself says, I think her husband was a preacher maybe, or really involved with the church at the time.

01:33:44.000 But she said, I don't believe that any man has ever heard anything from God.

01:33:49.000 I don't believe the Bible is divinely inspired.

01:33:51.000 I think all of Christianity was made up specifically by men to oppress women. 0.92

01:33:55.000 That's my personal belief.

01:33:57.000 She was more of like a proto-New Ager. 1.00

01:33:59.000 She believed in like this monism stuff.

01:34:01.000 And she said, if I could.

01:34:02.000 Monism.

01:34:03.000 Yeah, monism is like that kind of a lot of the new age or even some of the DMT bros will kind of come to this conclusion that there's like a one that we have to return to.

01:34:11.000 Like we're all one and we're all God and we forgot that we need to return to the one.

01:34:17.000 Yeah, we're all, we're all God.

01:34:19.000 I've heard that one before.

01:34:20.000 Yeah, and we got to return to the one.

01:34:22.000 And they were writing about this stuff in like the early 1800s as like transgenderism, gender abolition, gender as a spectrum was being written about by Margaret Fuller in the 1840s in America.

01:34:35.000 And she said, we're never going to return to the one as long as we have this gender division. 1.00

01:34:41.000 So in the future, I'm envisioning a future with no gender. 1.00

01:34:44.000 There's no men and women anymore. 0.88

01:34:46.000 And she said, nobody's really born a man or a woman.

01:34:49.000 You're either on this spectrum and some people are more on the male side and some people are more on the female, but nobody is like fully one or the other.

01:34:58.000 I had that argument once with a guy who was a professor. 0.86

01:35:00.000 It was one of the dumbest conversations I've ever had on this podcast. 0.66

01:35:04.000 And I eventually had to say to him, if you go buy a puppy and it's a boy puppy, but you wanted a girl puppy, do you say that there is no gender? 0.96

01:35:14.000 What do you do?

01:35:15.000 Right.

01:35:15.000 Like, what do you do?

01:35:16.000 Like, what are we talking about here?

01:35:18.000 You're saying that some men don't exist, that men aren't real, that women aren't real, that no one is a man and no one is a woman.

01:35:25.000 Like, that's crazy.

01:35:26.000 How did you get here? 0.99

01:35:27.000 You got here because someone with an XY chromosome had sex with someone with an XX chromosome, and that's how it works.

01:35:34.000 It's like a biological definition based on objective reality.

01:35:39.000 Yes. 0.99

01:35:40.000 Like, we all know that, but there's this weird fucking dance. 0.99

01:35:43.000 And that dance, if you keep just asking questions, like, why is that dance? 0.99

01:35:48.000 What are you doing?

01:35:49.000 Like, why are you saying that?

01:35:50.000 Like, what does that mean?

01:35:51.000 And what about that?

01:35:51.000 Well, what about this?

01:35:52.000 It just falls apart.

01:35:53.000 But yet they have this weird resistance to facts.

01:35:57.000 Yes.

01:35:57.000 Very strange.

01:35:58.000 Well, this is why the occult was so appealing to these people and why, so like feminists are drawn to the occult and occultists are drawn to feminism because in most occult traditions, there is this idea of gender bending and gender fluidity and transcending gender in order to transcend to something higher, to become the stars again or to become part of the one monad.

01:36:23.000 So I'm reading all their backgrounds and they're all writing about this stuff.

01:36:27.000 Many of them claimed to be automatic writers.

01:36:30.000 So they would write a book about feminism, say, it's not coming from me. 1.00

01:36:33.000 It's coming from this entity that speaking through me.

01:36:37.000 Yes.

01:36:38.000 Yeah, like that kind of stuff.

01:36:39.000 So they would do that.

01:36:41.000 Like Victoria Woodhull would claim to be able to contact the dead. 0.99

01:36:45.000 Or they would just say, this Christianity stuff is only here to oppress women. 1.00

01:36:50.000 Lucifer was the good guy.

01:36:51.000 Kind of the Promethean myth of like, actually, he was the good one because he enlightened us and gave us, you know, free will.

01:36:58.000 Luciferianism is very strange.

01:37:00.000 Because you look at the definition of Luciferianism, you think, oh, they're going to say someone who believes that the devil is God.

01:37:07.000 But it's not quite that.

01:37:09.000 Like, please pull up Perplexity, our wonderful AI sponsor, and ask it, what is the definition of Luciferianism?

01:37:18.000 Because when I went down this rabbit hole with your book, I looked this up.

01:37:22.000 So it's very strange.

01:37:23.000 Diverse belief system, by the way, that's a weird way to say it.

01:37:27.000 A diverse belief system that reveres Lucifer not as the Christian devil, but as a symbol or deity of enlightenment, knowledge, and human potential.

01:37:37.000 Yes.

01:37:38.000 Lucifer. 1.00

01:37:39.000 Fucking Satan. 1.00

01:37:39.000 Yes. 1.00

01:37:40.000 Uh-huh.

01:37:41.000 The guy who rules hell.

01:37:42.000 Where everybody burns for eternity.

01:37:42.000 Yes.

01:37:44.000 Luciferianism, Luciferians emphasize self-improvement, free will, and intellectual pursuit over traditional religious dogma.

01:37:53.000 They view Lucifer as a light bringer or liberator, often drawing from pre-Christian figures like Prometheus.

01:38:00.000 Practices may include ceremonial magic, but the focus is typically on personal empowerment rather than the worship of evil.

01:38:09.000 But that's a trapdoor, ain't it?

01:38:11.000 Yes, it is.

01:38:11.000 That's what it seems like.

01:38:12.000 That's exactly what it is.

01:38:13.000 It seems like a trapdoor.

01:38:14.000 Just the way they describe it.

01:38:16.000 You're like, oh, well, that's me, man.

01:38:17.000 I'm into self-improvement.

01:38:18.000 And that's why it's, we're all God.

01:38:22.000 I'm God.

01:38:23.000 And that's where you get moral relativism.

01:38:25.000 Secular humanism comes from Luciferianism, by the way.

01:38:28.000 And in the 20th century, almost all the feminists signed like the humanist manifestos and things like that.

01:38:33.000 The secular humanism stuff where it's like morality is subjective.

01:38:38.000 You know, what's right for you at the time is what's right, and what's right or wrong for me at the time.

01:38:43.000 And there is no objective moral facts.

01:38:46.000 By the way, the reason they get away with rewriting the history on feminism is because they use something called standpoint theory.

01:38:53.000 And this is an epistemological framework that asserts that there is no such thing as objective historical truth or facts.

01:39:00.000 There's no objective timeline of history.

01:39:03.000 There are no historical facts.

01:39:05.000 And to the extent that these historical facts exist, they were created by white patriarchal oppressors to perpetuate their patriarchal oppression.

01:39:14.000 So we can't know the real history unless it's told from the perspective of the most oppressed woman. 0.76

01:39:21.000 And so that is how they rewrote everything.

01:39:25.000 And the stuff you're getting from their textbooks, the things you're being taught in university, is this stuff.

01:39:30.000 It's not anything having to do with objective historical timelines.

01:39:34.000 So Lucifer appears explicitly only once in the Bible in Isaiah 14:12, King James Version.

01:39:41.000 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning?

01:39:45.000 How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations?

01:39:54.000 original context.

01:40:00.000 Lucifer translates from the Hebrew term meaning shining one, bright one, or light bear, often linked to the morning star.

01:40:09.000 Yeah.

01:40:12.000 I think the later link in the later history is the hell and Satan.

01:40:16.000 Scroll back down again.

01:40:18.000 What that stop right there?

01:40:19.000 It says, oh, not originally a proper name or reference to Satan.

01:40:27.000 So, but that is Satan, though, right?

01:40:29.000 It's who became Satan.

01:40:31.000 So it's like Lucifer before he went bad.

01:40:31.000 Yeah.

01:40:31.000 Right?

01:40:33.000 The old days, like the Beatles, the early albums.

01:40:35.000 Yeah.

01:40:36.000 No?

01:40:36.000 Well, it's.

01:40:37.000 So Lucifer's not Satan?

01:40:38.000 No.

01:40:39.000 What?

01:40:39.000 Well, the Orthodox tradition is that he is, and there's multiple names for him.

01:40:43.000 So sometimes he's called the adversary.

01:40:45.000 Sometimes he's called different things.

01:40:47.000 The modern Protestant interpretations of things, because they use sola scriptura, there's a ton of like word concept fallacies where they think this word always refers to this one thing and they're not correct about that.

01:41:00.000 So like our church tradition says yes, he is Satan.

01:41:04.000 He is the adversary.

01:41:05.000 He's, you know, the evil one.

01:41:08.000 He's got lots of names.

01:41:10.000 I think Lucifer is like his name is an angel.

01:41:13.000 But so he was a fallen angel become Satan.

01:41:15.000 Yeah.

01:41:16.000 So what but obviously if someone is not just a fallen angel, becomes like the worst being in the world or in the universe, like how could you ignore that and only concentrate on the self-improvement?

01:41:31.000 Could you name that after somebody else?

01:41:33.000 Aren't there a lot of other self-improvement people in the Bible?

01:41:36.000 Well, that's the thing.

01:41:37.000 It just seems tricky.

01:41:38.000 What this really comes down to, like the name of the book is occult feminism. 1.00

01:41:42.000 It has two meanings.

01:41:43.000 The first meaning is a lot of these women were really into the occult.

01:41:47.000 Right.

01:41:47.000 That's the most obvious one.

01:41:48.000 But the second one is occult, the term itself just means hidden.

01:41:52.000 And there's a whole history here that's been completely intentionally hidden from both women and men, but specifically from women, that if they knew it, I think they'd have a whole different view of this movement.

01:42:03.000 And they would question a lot of its foundational grounding axioms and all the presuppositions we have that it was to protect women.

01:42:12.000 So if we look at that, if we look at the promises of feminism, the promises we were told, it's going to protect you from abusive men, from unhappy, abusive marriages. 0.98

01:42:23.000 It's going to give you more freedom and more choice in your life.

01:42:28.000 Those were the selling points and the things we were promised.

01:42:32.000 But if you actually like look at the statistics, you look at the outcomes of what's happened since feminism became dominant and we pushed women into the workforce.

01:42:39.000 We discouraged them from, I mean, antinatalism is so rampant.

01:42:44.000 I mean, you hear people refer to children as like icky. 0.78

01:42:46.000 They call them crotch goblins. 0.99

01:42:49.000 They call them, you know, sex trophies, all these like derogatory terms for children and parents. 0.99

01:42:55.000 And you see the dual income no kids people, the dinks making all their like TikToks about like, a day in our life is dinks. 1.00

01:43:02.000 We went to the Taylor Swift concert last night and then we slept in extra late and then we had brunch and smoked a joint like Chelsea Handler. 0.94

01:43:09.000 Look, we have no responsibility.

01:43:10.000 We live purely for ourselves.

01:43:12.000 We do whatever we want.

01:43:13.000 It's so great.

01:43:15.000 So it's like always been this dialectic of, do you want to be self-sacrificial and give of yourself for something greater that goes into the future long after you're gone?

01:43:27.000 This greater purpose that's going, that you might never even see fully the fruits of in your lifetime.

01:43:34.000 Or do you want to party and have fun and go after what you want now and be kind of hedonistic, kind of selfish?

01:43:41.000 And that's the, that's the Luciferian paradigm.

01:43:43.000 Like even the satanic temple guys, Anton LeVay and all those guys, they said, look, we're not even like deistic Satanists.

01:43:51.000 We just think I'm my own God.

01:43:53.000 I decide what's right for me.

01:43:54.000 I do what I want in my life for my own fulfillment.

01:43:58.000 And nobody is entitled to anything from me.

01:44:01.000 I decide if and when I want to give anything to anyone, this life is for me.

01:44:05.000 Those are kind of the two sides you kind of end up on.

01:44:09.000 And so when I say a cult, I kind of mean that too.

01:44:13.000 I kind of mean like, yeah, raising five kids was really hard.

01:44:17.000 I didn't buy fancy new clothes.

01:44:19.000 I didn't get beauty treatments. 0.99

01:44:20.000 I didn't do much of anything for myself.

01:44:23.000 I went like 20 years with no sleep.

01:44:25.000 It was, you know, it is hard work.

01:44:27.000 But my children and hopefully their children, who is who I wrote this book for when I wrote it, I thought it was going to be like, I didn't know I was going to be here talking about it.

01:44:36.000 I thought it was going to be for like my grandkids and my great grandkids and things like that because I wanted them to know this stuff.

01:44:44.000 That's hard.

01:44:45.000 It's hard work.

01:44:47.000 And on the front end of that, the first 20 years that you're raising kids, it feels kind of thankless sometimes.

01:44:53.000 It feels tough.

01:44:54.000 And you go, what am I doing all this for?

01:44:56.000 It's so, my friends are out at the concert, they're partying.

01:44:59.000 Every job feels like that.

01:45:01.000 Yes.

01:45:01.000 So when you put in all that hard work and sacrifice on the front, now I'm in my mid-40s.

01:45:06.000 My kids are all grown.

01:45:07.000 I have children that are like in their mid-20s adults.

01:45:10.000 My youngest is in high school.

01:45:12.000 I have more time to do other things.

01:45:14.000 That's why I said we give women backwards advice. 1.00

01:45:17.000 We tell them, spend all your fertile years building an education and a career.

01:45:22.000 And then later, if there's time for a family, maybe you can do that if you want to be weird.

01:45:27.000 What we should tell women, I think, is you can do a lot of things. 1.00

01:45:31.000 I'm not saying you only have children and you never do anything else.

01:45:36.000 And that was never the case historically.

01:45:37.000 It was never the case.

01:45:39.000 I had my first child at 20.

01:45:41.000 I had my last one at 32.

01:45:43.000 I got a lot of living, God willing, you know, that I'll be able to do other things.

01:45:47.000 I'm doing this now.

01:45:49.000 Once I have grandkids, you probably never see me again because hopefully I'll be doing a lot with that.

01:45:54.000 I'll have time to do things for my church, for my community.

01:45:59.000 I could do anything I want.

01:46:00.000 I can garden.

01:46:01.000 I can write books.

01:46:02.000 There's a million things you could do.

01:46:03.000 And that was always the case. 0.74

01:46:04.000 This idea that women didn't have choices before feminism is nuts. 0.74

01:46:09.000 They were writing novels.

01:46:10.000 They were supporting themselves, you know, doing all kinds of other things.

01:46:14.000 And what's happened after feminism is now I think you don't have many choices. 0.97

01:46:19.000 Because like my daughters, my second oldest is like, I would love to just get married right now and have kids.

01:46:26.000 But like, how do we pay for it?

01:46:28.000 What do I do until I find a husband?

01:46:30.000 Like between 18, say I don't find a guy until I'm 23.

01:46:32.000 What do I do for those five years?

01:46:34.000 Just stay at home and total my thumbs?

01:46:35.000 Like, what do I do?

01:46:37.000 Do I get a job?

01:46:38.000 She feels like she doesn't have choices.

01:46:41.000 She would love to stay home and have kids.

01:46:43.000 Most of the women who write to me are like, I had one lady write to me and say, I, ever since I got together with my boyfriend, started going to church with them, all I can think about day in and day out is getting married and having kids.

01:46:56.000 I daydream during the day about my future children and I dream about them in my dreams at night.

01:47:01.000 That's all I, everything in me wants to do that.

01:47:04.000 But I'm in my last year of dental school and I have all this debt and my parents fully expect me to graduate and start a dental practice.

01:47:11.000 And if I told them I'm not going to do that, I'm just going to stay home and have kids, they would lose it.

01:47:16.000 They would probably disown me.

01:47:17.000 They would think I'd lost my mind.

01:47:19.000 They would say, are you kidding?

01:47:20.000 You can't do that.

01:47:22.000 And I talk to women all the time who feel like they're trapped that way.

01:47:26.000 And the truth is, feminism didn't make anything safer for women. 1.00

01:47:30.000 It did the opposite.

01:47:31.000 If you look at, we have so much data on this, cohabitative relationships where you just live with your boyfriend have a 35% higher domestic violence rate than married couples.

01:47:42.000 If you look at child abuse, there's something called the National Incident Study.

01:47:46.000 I have a whole breakdown of this on my substack too.

01:47:49.000 It's gone over the last 45 years of all the data we have from every reporting agency in the country.

01:47:54.000 It's the most comprehensive one.

01:47:56.000 For the last 45 years, children who live with married biological parents are 12 times safer on every metric, whether it's sexual abuse, physical abuse, emotional abuse, neglect, by a factor of 12 times safer than any other living situation. 0.65

01:48:15.000 And kids that come from disrupted family living situations like mine, where you got divorced parents and like dad's got a girlfriend, mom's got a new husband, those sort of things.

01:48:26.000 Those are all far, far, far unsafer for children on every level that we look at.

01:48:31.000 And then if you look at kids from fatherless homes, the risk for everything, addiction, learning disabilities, mental health problems, ending up in a juvenile facility, being homeless.

01:48:45.000 It's like between 70 to 85% of kids in those situations come from fatherless homes.

01:48:50.000 So what we've done over the last 50 years is take dads and husbands out of the home and replace them with the government.

01:49:00.000 And it has made women and children more vulnerable to abuse, to abandonment, to ending up on welfare, to ending up in any number of bad situations that you can think of.

01:49:10.000 It didn't protect us.

01:49:12.000 And I think if more women knew that, they would at least, you know, give it a second thought and be like, hmm, maybe the whole getting married and having kids thing isn't so terrifying. 1.00

01:49:22.000 We don't fearmonger women about what can go wrong if you dedicate your whole life to a career.

01:49:27.000 You know, we don't tell them, well, what if this happens?

01:49:29.000 What if you try to be a brain surgeon and then you get Parkinson's and you can never work again?

01:49:35.000 But like, what percentage of people in this country, families in this country, require both parents to work in order to get by?

01:49:41.000 Most.

01:49:42.000 Most.

01:49:43.000 So what's the solution to that?

01:49:44.000 Well, I think it's not going to be quick.

01:49:47.000 It's going to be a multi-generational project.

01:49:50.000 But I think if you give women the choice, I believe Simone de Beauvoir when she said that if you give women the choice, more and more will choose to be moms and say how much they can.

01:49:59.000 If they can't.

01:50:00.000 In this situation we're specifically talking about where they require two incomes in order to pay the bills.

01:50:05.000 So that was me.

01:50:06.000 So when Andrew and I got together and we had two kids of our own, we've now got a house full of kids.

01:50:12.000 He's, you know, starting his career.

01:50:15.000 He's making okay money, but nothing crazy.

01:50:18.000 And we had to like move out to the country where it's cheaper.

01:50:21.000 We had chickens.

01:50:22.000 We had a garden.

01:50:23.000 I learned how to be a firearms instructor because I could teach a class on a Saturday, only be gone for one day of the week and make like $2,000.

01:50:31.000 So I could make like a week's worth of money only working one day a week on the day that he's home.

01:50:36.000 So like my advice to people, I'm not super huge on giving advice because it depends.

01:50:41.000 There's a lot going on that I don't know your situation, but you have to get creative.

01:50:45.000 Try to find things you can do on the side, things you can do from home.

01:50:50.000 Well, it's one of the benefits to COVID is now something like 30% of work is remote from homework.

01:50:56.000 If you can do that and kind of structure your day more around the kids and work at night, maybe when dad's home, things like that, that's kind of what you do.

01:51:05.000 In an ideal situation, yeah.

01:51:07.000 I wanted to talk about Jack Parsons.

01:51:09.000 Oh, yeah.

01:51:10.000 And all the craziness because we had gone over the fact that this guy was working for NASA.

01:51:19.000 He was involved in rocketry.

01:51:21.000 Yes.

01:51:22.000 And yet he was an avowed Satanist.

01:51:24.000 Yes.

01:51:24.000 And he got involved in the whole feminist movement.

01:51:27.000 Yeah.

01:51:28.000 Through his girlfriend, Marjorie Cameron, who was like an archetype of the Scarlet Woman.

01:51:34.000 So Parsons was kind of like, he created like a kind of an occult cult that was a breakoff from Aleister Crowley and had a lot of Crowleyan beliefs.

01:51:45.000 And when he met Marjorie Cameron, she was like this rebellious redhead who smoked and drank and slept around. 1.00

01:51:52.000 And like all the Hollywood dudes in his circle kind of liked her.

01:51:56.000 A lot of his friends slept with her too.

01:51:59.000 And she was very into the occult and she was really into like witchcraft and ritual magic and so was he.

01:52:05.000 And so when they met, it was like instant chemistry and the rumor, the legend is that they spent like, I don't know, multiple many days, even like up to a couple of weeks nonstop doing sex magic together.

01:52:18.000 Like that's all they did for a couple weeks.

01:52:20.000 What's sex magic? 0.70

01:52:21.000 So according to like Crowley and a lot of these kind of like more openly Satanist left-hand path type of occultism, the sexual experience and the orgasm is super powerful because it can channel your emotions in a way that nothing else can.

01:52:37.000 You get like this big surge of energy and emotion that will make whatever spell or ritual you're doing more powerful.

01:52:44.000 So Crowley's favorite thing to do was sodomize fellas in order to worship demons or invoke demons.

01:52:55.000 Yeah.

01:52:56.000 He had pets. 0.97

01:52:57.000 He had dudes that were his little his bottoms for his I need to go was Crowley gay or bisexual? 0.98

01:53:05.000 He was bi. 0.96

01:53:06.000 He had a lot of women he would do this stuff with too, but he thought that the homosexual stuff, basically the more degenerate it is, the more intense it's going to make the spell. 0.83

01:53:15.000 Oh boy. 1.00

01:53:16.000 So he casts spells wise butt fucking. 1.00

01:53:18.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:53:19.000 Yep.

01:53:20.000 And then you add a little bit of hallucinogenic drugs in there too.

01:53:24.000 And so that's where you really get the good stuff.

01:53:28.000 What impact did all these people have on feminism? 1.00

01:53:31.000 So, I mean, Parsons was also friends with the guy who came up with Scientology, Hubbard.

01:53:38.000 Yep.

01:53:39.000 And they actually fought over Marjorie Cameron for a while.

01:53:42.000 And when Parsons died, because he blew himself up, you know, at home working on a rocket, he blew himself up.

01:53:49.000 Cameron didn't handle it well.

01:53:50.000 She freaked out.

01:53:51.000 She moved out into the desert and started her own community cult of like moon children. 1.00

01:53:57.000 So nuts. 0.95

01:53:57.000 It's so nuts. 0.95

01:53:59.000 She specifically recruited like all different races of people. 0.99

01:54:02.000 Like she focused on finding dudes to impregnate her supposedly, to make moon children who were going to like bring the Antichrist and they'd go out into the desert and live on this ranch together and do a bunch of peyote. 1.00

01:54:15.000 And she made like art.

01:54:16.000 I have some of her art in the book.

01:54:17.000 This crazy, weird looking, crazy art.

01:54:22.000 One of her paintings is called Peyote Vision.

01:54:25.000 It's wild.

01:54:26.000 But she was doing all the sex magic stuff to try to like reincarnate him, to try to bring about the Antichrist. 1.00

01:54:31.000 She thought she was the scarlet woman that was going to be like the Antichrist version of Mary, where the Antichrist is born through this scarlet woman.

01:54:39.000 And it's references to Babylon and the end times in the Bible and all this stuff, which Crowley did all that stuff too.

01:54:46.000 And she was a feminist icon because this stuff goes along with being rebellious. 1.00

01:54:52.000 There's a reason there's like an archetype of feminists, like a stereotype that they're all, they have daddy issues. 1.00

01:54:58.000 They're man haters with daddy issues because they kind of are. 0.74

01:55:01.000 It's usually like they're very against God.

01:55:03.000 They're very against their dad.

01:55:04.000 Like, you can't tell me what to do.

01:55:06.000 You're not the boss of me.

01:55:07.000 I'm a strong, independent woman.

01:55:08.000 I'm going to get what I want, even if I have to use my sexuality to do with it.

01:55:11.000 It's like a very recurring theme of using sexuality because women don't have the monopoly on force. 1.00

01:55:18.000 Men do.

01:55:19.000 So what do women have to get power? 1.00

01:55:21.000 Sexuality and the power of like determining who gets to reproduce. 0.69

01:55:25.000 Did you know that we all have twice as many female ancestors as we do male ancestors?

01:55:32.000 No.

01:55:33.000 So throughout history, genetic studies show that twice as many women have been able to reproduce as men because that's where our power is.

01:55:42.000 Our power is, if you're a fertile female, someone's going to fertilize you. 1.00

01:55:46.000 You don't have to be special or do much.

01:55:48.000 As a man, you have to compete.

01:55:50.000 You have to have resources.

01:55:51.000 You have to outcompete the other men who are trying to get the female pregnant, that sort of thing. 0.74

01:55:55.000 And a lot of men historically died in battle really young or doing dirty or dangerous jobs.

01:56:00.000 You know, they died younger a lot of times or in war.

01:56:04.000 And then you'd have war brides, you know, so they'd get impregnated again by like the enemy who took them back to their homeland, that kind of thing. 0.99

01:56:10.000 So yeah, we have this, that's where women feel that their power lies is in sexuality. 1.00

01:56:17.000 That's why every pop star and every movie star who's a famous woman, for the most part, there's a handful of exceptions, but most of them, they'll do anything to stay hot. 1.00

01:56:29.000 You know, they're trying to be sexy at 70. 0.98

01:56:31.000 Like, who was that?

01:56:33.000 Jane Fonda?

01:56:34.000 Sexy at 70, sexy at 80.

01:56:36.000 You know, she's going to be sexy forever. 1.00

01:56:39.000 Hearing bones crack.

01:56:41.000 Ow, my hip.

01:56:42.000 It was like, I mean, Jennifer Lopez is kind of doing that too.

01:56:42.000 Yeah.

01:56:45.000 She's had how many husbands and engagements and divorces and she's still out there in the thong shaking it on Vegas, you know, her Vegas shows and stuff. 1.00

01:56:54.000 And yeah, she looks good.

01:56:56.000 She's got endless money to do endless things to look good. 1.00

01:57:00.000 Lord knows what they're doing.

01:57:01.000 But that's where women think their power comes from. 1.00

01:57:05.000 So Cameron was like big into pushing this into the California like counterculture in the 60s.

01:57:12.000 And at the time, this was like, well, in the 50s and 60s.

01:57:15.000 So like even people like Sammy Davis Jr., who's another guy that said he was a Satanist.

01:57:20.000 Sammy Davis Jr. was a Satanist hanging out with Sinatra.

01:57:23.000 Yeah, that's what he said.

01:57:25.000 Now you wonder sometimes if they just say that for shock value.

01:57:28.000 I don't know.

01:57:29.000 Or maybe they had fun parties.

01:57:32.000 Oh, they definitely had.

01:57:33.000 They were having Diddy parties before Diddy was around.

01:57:35.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:57:37.000 So Cameron was the it girl in the counterculture in LA and her art was really popular and stuff.

01:57:43.000 And there's a lot that kind of came out of her popularity that went into the mainstream later in like these scarlet women archetypes of like the sexy bad girl who's rebellious and is undomesticated and unattached. 1.00

01:57:57.000 You know what I mean?

01:57:58.000 And that's become the cool girl now for a lot of people.

01:58:01.000 And that's why like you'll see celebrities talking about, oh, I've had four abortions.

01:58:06.000 Yeah, so what?

01:58:07.000 I do what I want and I'm not going to be held down by no man or no baby.

01:58:11.000 I'm going to, I'm a strong, independent woman out here and I decide.

01:58:15.000 You know, that's what, that's why you see women screaming about how abortion is great. 1.00

01:58:19.000 They go to these rallies and they're just like screaming the most horrible things.

01:58:24.000 And I think if you convince enough women that motherhood and having babies is like this horrific, oppressive ball and chain, which is what my mother was convinced of. 1.00

01:58:33.000 She was totally convinced.

01:58:35.000 She said to me once, having children is the worst thing that ever happened to me.

01:58:38.000 No offense.

01:58:40.000 She said, no offense, but it's the worst thing that ever happened to me.

01:58:43.000 And I asked her once, I was like, what do you, what is it that you would have gone and done, you know, if it weren't for having kids?

01:58:48.000 She had no idea.

01:58:49.000 She had no answer.

01:58:51.000 She just knows that it would have been great.

01:58:53.000 You know what I mean?

01:58:54.000 So it's like they use a lot of fear of missing out.

01:58:58.000 They got indoctrinated.

01:58:59.000 Yeah.

01:59:00.000 And then that becomes your primary narrative and you believe it no matter what.

01:59:04.000 And you just default to that no matter what.

01:59:06.000 Yeah.

01:59:07.000 And all your discomfort is because of this thing that you've already identified.

01:59:12.000 This is the problem.

01:59:13.000 Patriarchy. 0.93

01:59:14.000 Men.

01:59:14.000 I got saddled down with kids.

01:59:16.000 That's why I'm miserable.

01:59:17.000 Not because I'm completely unproductive.

01:59:19.000 I don't have a good community.

01:59:20.000 I'm not healthy.

01:59:21.000 Right.

01:59:21.000 All the above.

01:59:22.000 Isn't it weird?

01:59:23.000 Have you ever noticed like all the videos women will make about how they get a divorce? 1.00

01:59:27.000 I just went through my divorce and then I had a post-divorce glow-up.

01:59:31.000 They lose 40 pounds.

01:59:33.000 They get in shape.

01:59:34.000 They get their hair done.

01:59:35.000 You know, maybe get a little plastic surgery, a little Botox, a little filler, and they're like, look at me now.

01:59:39.000 And it's like, if you had done that while you were married, you'd probably still be married and having a great time with your husband. 1.00

01:59:47.000 Perhaps the husband's a fucking loser. 1.00

01:59:48.000 Sometimes. 1.00

01:59:49.000 A lot.

01:59:50.000 That happens. 0.99

01:59:50.000 There's a lot of losers out there. 0.99

01:59:52.000 There's a lot of guys I wouldn't want to hitch my wagon to. 0.99

01:59:54.000 That's true. 1.00

01:59:55.000 Charles woman, like count on this fucking dipshit to figure things out. 1.00

01:59:59.000 I think that's the other result of the sexual liberation stuff, though, is like, what motivation do men have to be like good, dependable, upstanding providers when they can just sleep around and be fuckboys and losers. 1.00

02:00:17.000 And that's why the dating apps are so crazy. 0.99

02:00:19.000 It's so crazy.

02:00:20.000 Like you're on a date, someone says one thing you don't like.

02:00:22.000 Like, let me just pick up my phone and see who else is around.

02:00:25.000 Yeah.

02:00:25.000 It's crazy that so many people are on those things and you're just like constantly inundated by options.

02:00:32.000 I've never been on a dating app.

02:00:33.000 It's one of my biggest flexes in life.

02:00:35.000 Never been on a dating app.

02:00:37.000 I've been with Andrew for, you know, almost two decades now.

02:00:40.000 So it's like, I miss that whole thing.

02:00:42.000 I feel like I caught the last chopper.

02:00:44.000 I have some friends that met wonderful people on dating apps.

02:00:47.000 Like I have a good buddy of mine who met his girl on a dating app and he loves her and they have a great relationship.

02:00:54.000 It can happen.

02:00:55.000 It's just like just people that you don't want to go to a bar.

02:00:58.000 You know, that's not the type of people you want to meet in the first place.

02:01:00.000 How do you find them?

02:01:01.000 And, you know, they have like certain dating apps that are like more selective, I guess.

02:01:05.000 You know, about like, what are you into?

02:01:05.000 Yeah.

02:01:07.000 Try to pair someone up who's like-minded.

02:01:09.000 If you're alone and you're busy with other stuff and you find it very hard to meet someone out of match, it's really interesting.

02:01:15.000 But then also, if you're a young person and you're just trying to bang it out out there on the streets and you got 14 people hitting your inbox and you pictures of your abs and you're fucking flexing or whatever it is.

02:01:30.000 You know, like that is K-Os. 0.92

02:01:33.000 And I don't think people are supposed to have those kind of options.

02:01:36.000 No, you didn't.

02:01:37.000 You never did historically.

02:01:38.000 It's only been like 15 years.

02:01:40.000 It used to be your area where you lived.

02:01:43.000 Those were the people to choose from.

02:01:45.000 And you'd find the best person for you.

02:01:47.000 Right.

02:01:48.000 In that, like, I taught, I interviewed my grandma on my YouTube channel when she was 97.

02:01:52.000 And I asked her, like, when you and Aunt Thelma were trying, when Thelma and Lois were looking for, you know, husbands in the early 40s, like, what were the things you guys were looking for?

02:02:03.000 What did you think about when you were like looking for a guy?

02:02:05.000 She's like, oh, well, we, you know, he had to have a good reputation.

02:02:09.000 He had to come from a nice family, you know, because you're going to, you know, when you marry a guy, you marry his family.

02:02:13.000 So you got to think about that.

02:02:15.000 I wanted him to go to like the same type of church as me and believe the same things.

02:02:20.000 And he had to, you know, have good job prospects, you know, good future prospects because, you know, you want to raise a family and those sort of things.

02:02:29.000 She did not say six foot, six pack, or six figures.

02:02:33.000 None of that came up.

02:02:34.000 It was all like pretty wholesome and very like long-term minded.

02:02:39.000 Do you know what I mean?

02:02:40.000 Like she's thinking of the future.

02:02:42.000 I don't feel like I don't even feel like I did that. 0.95

02:02:45.000 I feel like when I was young, I was stupid and I was like, he's cute and funny. 0.95

02:02:48.000 That's good enough for me. 0.99

02:02:50.000 You know?

02:02:50.000 Well, it's like it's there's normal preferences that people have like to big, tall guys, fit people, wealthy people.

02:02:59.000 That's the normal things.

02:03:01.000 But it's like the thing about today and all the options is not just that.

02:03:06.000 It's all the performative stuff that people do consistently and constantly online.

02:03:11.000 So then you're also looking for positive feedback from strangers constantly.

02:03:16.000 Yes.

02:03:17.000 And then you're also reflecting on negative feedback from strangers constantly.

02:03:22.000 Yeah.

02:03:22.000 So kids today are just overwhelmed, drowning in anxiety because they're addicted to this feedback and this thing where they're always pretending to be someone they're not online and they're using filters and cars that they leased and you know it's very strange.

02:03:39.000 Yeah.

02:03:39.000 I have four girls and I made a point to always show them.

02:03:43.000 Like I'll show them before and afters of the Kardashians.

02:03:47.000 I'll show them here's Kylie Jenner before all the like probably hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of work that she's had done in professional stylists and trainers and all the facial augmentations and all the different things that they get done. 1.00

02:04:02.000 Here's what she looked like just any normal girl from your junior high. 1.00

02:04:06.000 The only reason she looks like this now, and on top of all the work and everything else, there's filters and there's apps that they edit everything with. 0.65

02:04:14.000 And I'm like, this isn't real.

02:04:16.000 Right.

02:04:17.000 Because I remember growing up in the 90s, I don't ever remember thinking a whole lot about what my butt looked like if my nose was too big.

02:04:25.000 Like all the things that they hype.

02:04:27.000 These girls like pick themselves apart today. 1.00

02:04:30.000 It's terrifying.

02:04:30.000 Yeah.

02:04:31.000 It's like heartbreaking.

02:04:32.000 I think boys do the same thing.

02:04:34.000 They're like, I'm short.

02:04:35.000 It's over for me.

02:04:36.000 I might as well self-delete.

02:04:37.000 I'll never be anything because I'm short.

02:04:39.000 And I'm like, well, what percentage of guys are in sales today?

02:04:41.000 It's kind of nuts.

02:04:43.000 It's very high.

02:04:43.000 It's really high.

02:04:44.000 Like higher than I like.

02:04:45.000 There was a percentage of men that don't have any sex at all right now. 0.86

02:04:50.000 And it's nuts.

02:04:51.000 But it's that thing.

02:04:52.000 It's like 20% of the men are desirable to 100% of the women. 1.00

02:04:57.000 And those 80% of guys are fucked. 1.00

02:04:59.000 Yes. 1.00

02:05:00.000 Yeah.

02:05:01.000 I don't, I don't know what we do about that.

02:05:04.000 I don't have a great answer for that.

02:05:06.000 I've tried kind of like talking, like, I'll go on the whatever podcast once in a while and kind of like ask girls probing questions about that.

02:05:14.000 Like, do you think it's possible that you could be missing out?

02:05:17.000 Like, if you're 22 and you won't date a guy because he only makes 50 grand a year, it's like, yeah, well, my husband only made 40 grand a year when we met, but he makes way more than that now.

02:05:27.000 Like you used to grow together.

02:05:29.000 And having a family really motivates a man to like hustle and grow whatever it is that he's doing and try to be better.

02:05:36.000 But it's like if you're 22 and you're like, I won't even look at you unless you make six figures, you're missing out on a ton of great guys.

02:05:43.000 And it's like, what, what exactly do you want?

02:05:45.000 What are you looking for?

02:05:46.000 And they don't even know.

02:05:47.000 Well, they're kind of programmed towards hypergamy today, right?

02:05:51.000 It seems like they're programmed to go after the super successful, hyper-successful people and not think, oh, I'm developing a relationship with a man and we're going to grow together.

02:06:02.000 Yeah.

02:06:02.000 And they have, this is true.

02:06:05.000 We know there's problems with men, but we talk all the time about problems with men.

02:06:08.000 And I think what we tell women is, you're perfect how you are.

02:06:12.000 You are a goddess girl, and you don't have to change for anybody.

02:06:17.000 That's what we tell people.

02:06:18.000 But then, how many of those women are now on Ozempic? 1.00

02:06:22.000 That was crazy.

02:06:24.000 All the body positivity women are all like 120 pounds now, and they look like they're making weight at the UFC. 1.00

02:06:30.000 Yeah, all the fattest, beautiful influencers are now just like skeletons.

02:06:35.000 Yes. 0.99

02:06:35.000 And it's like so fucking stringy. 0.99

02:06:37.000 Kind of gave the game away. 0.98

02:06:38.000 Kelly Osborne on TV.

02:06:39.000 God bless her soul. 0.99

02:06:40.000 I don't know if she's doing that, but I know a lot of them, they just get in. 0.87

02:06:45.000 Megan Trainer got popular on a song about being a little bit chunky and having a big butt and that boys actually like that better. 1.00

02:06:51.000 And the minute she can get a GLP one, she's like, never mind.

02:06:54.000 Yeah, I'm going to be skinny now.

02:06:56.000 A lot of people did it.

02:06:57.000 A lot of people did it.

02:06:57.000 Lizzo did it.

02:06:59.000 Yeah.

02:07:01.000 But it's this thing I always say to men, you know, when they tell me like, oh, I don't want to work out.

02:07:06.000 I don't want to do any of those things.

02:07:08.000 Why do you waste all your time doing that?

02:07:08.000 Why do you do it?

02:07:09.000 I go, if I could give you a pill that could make you really strong, like instantaneously, really strong and able to like strangle men, like you could kill people with your bare hands. 0.88

02:07:19.000 You wouldn't take it? 0.97

02:07:20.000 Do you want to be vulnerable?

02:07:21.000 Do you like it?

02:07:22.000 Well, there's no pill, but if you just work, you can become that.

02:07:26.000 You can become a different type of man.

02:07:28.000 Like that's possible.

02:07:28.000 Yeah.

02:07:29.000 Yeah.

02:07:30.000 But you don't want to do it. 0.94

02:07:31.000 So you want to dismiss it as being silly. 0.75

02:07:33.000 Well, why would it be silly to have power?

02:07:36.000 It's to have strength, to have a physical body that can like move things around easier, that can hold people down if you have to.

02:07:44.000 If there's something terribly wrong, you can defend yourself.

02:07:47.000 Why would you not want to have that?

02:07:48.000 Well, everybody wants that.

02:07:50.000 It's just, it's an incredibly long path to get there. 0.97

02:07:54.000 So they're fucking scared of it. 0.98

02:07:55.000 So they dismiss it. 0.98

02:07:56.000 Yeah, it's the same thing as raising kids, right?

02:07:58.000 It's like, so I lifted weights for, it's been like 18 years.

02:08:03.000 And there were periods where I was really lean and I looked fantastic.

02:08:06.000 And then there were periods where like I and I lifted all through my pregnancies and everything.

02:08:11.000 And I highly recommend it because if you don't want to have like a lot of the complications you can have post-pregnancy, like pelvic floor issues, birthing issues, get really strong and squat heavy.

02:08:11.000 Thank God.

02:08:24.000 Be able to do some heavy deadlifts and stuff.

02:08:26.000 All that stays really strong and it really helps with your health.

02:08:30.000 I had a doctor that told me I wasn't going to walk again after my fourth baby because my pelvic bones separated when I birthed her.

02:08:36.000 You're not going to be able to walk.

02:08:37.000 Yeah, she was like, you should just get a walker. 0.54

02:08:39.000 Oh my God.

02:08:40.000 Dude, you're not going to be able to do that. 0.98

02:08:41.000 That lady was so crazy. 1.00

02:08:43.000 I was like that's so crazy There's no rehab. 0.98

02:08:46.000 There's nothing you could do.

02:08:47.000 By that time, I knew that most doctors give you advice based on liability.

02:08:51.000 They don't want to get sued.

02:08:52.000 She doesn't want to tell me to go squat because what if I hurt myself and then it's her fault?

02:08:56.000 It's so funny.

02:08:57.000 So I just went right back to, I'm just going to start with like literally lifting my legs in bed.

02:09:02.000 And then I progress.

02:09:03.000 And now I've got nothing wrong with me.

02:09:05.000 I'm super strong.

02:09:06.000 I'm fine.

02:09:07.000 But that's the best thing to do.

02:09:09.000 And through all those years of lifting, even when I was a little too chunky, like after my son passed away, I gained a lot of weight.

02:09:14.000 I could not care about myself for a couple of years.

02:09:18.000 I just couldn't bring myself to do it.

02:09:20.000 But I still went to the gym because it kept me sane.

02:09:23.000 It did more for me mentally than therapy or anything else other than prayer.

02:09:28.000 I would say prayer would be the number one thing, Jim, a close second.

02:09:31.000 It was a really great way to battle out all of the really strong, crazy emotions that I had.

02:09:37.000 Just one more rep. You know, until you're so tired that it's like a lot of the bad feelings and stuff you have, you have some clarity and you can kind of figure it out.

02:09:46.000 You know what I mean?

02:09:47.000 That's one thing that I think would be a good way to develop more men is to encourage them into doing difficult things and difficult, hard work, and specifically physical things because I think your body has a certain amount of requirements in order to maintain like a stable level of anxiety and mental health.

02:10:07.000 I think, I think it's a giant fact.

02:10:09.000 I know it's a giant factor because when I take a few days off, there's something wrong, if I get hurt or something like that, I start getting batty.

02:10:16.000 I'm like, oh, this is like most people most of the time.

02:10:18.000 Like, that's a terrible way to live your life.

02:10:21.000 Yeah, Andrew knows if I'm out of sorts like that, he's like, you haven't been to the gym at all.

02:10:27.000 Like, we just moved across the country, and it was like, there's so much that goes into doing that, especially when he has a business and everything, and there's kids.

02:10:35.000 And so it was like the longest I've taken off ever, I want to say.

02:10:39.000 Like, even with kids and surgeries, I didn't have to take off that long.

02:10:43.000 And we finally got the home gym put in.

02:10:45.000 He's like, oh, you're normal again.

02:10:46.000 Great.

02:10:47.000 You're mentally balanced again.

02:10:49.000 It's great for women too. 1.00

02:10:50.000 If you're a woman that struggles with depression and anxiety, try pushing yourself really hard in the gym and you'll find out what you're made of. 0.99

02:10:56.000 It doesn't mean you have to be stronger than dudes.

02:10:58.000 It doesn't, you're not going to get huge muscles because you don't have enough testosterone to do that unless you're taking gear or something.

02:11:04.000 But get in there and work out.

02:11:06.000 And then you have the added benefit of it's going to help you through childbirth and pregnancy.

02:11:10.000 As you get older, you're not going to be fragile and need your kids to take care of you all the time.

02:11:15.000 You know what I mean?

02:11:16.000 Like my parents both have terrible health and I want to avoid that.

02:11:20.000 So I'm trying to be like really proactive about keeping myself healthy, avoiding heart disease, diabetes, all these things, so that my kids don't have to have a power of attorney and take care of me.

02:11:29.000 Right.

02:11:30.000 Right.

02:11:30.000 You know?

02:11:32.000 Is there anything else you want to cover in the book?

02:11:34.000 Because it's a really, I didn't read it.

02:11:37.000 I listened to it.

02:11:38.000 The guy who was reading it was a very odd voice.

02:11:44.000 It's very odd.

02:11:44.000 I really wish you read it.

02:11:46.000 I want my husband to narrate it.

02:11:49.000 I've asked multiple other people to narrate it, and I can't get anybody to do it.

02:11:52.000 I would love to do a reproduction.

02:11:55.000 He actually did that for free because he thought it was, he was like, this book is so important.

02:12:00.000 I'm happy to do it.

02:12:01.000 He just sounds like he has a bit of a sinus infection.

02:12:03.000 Yeah, he's got an odd voice.

02:12:04.000 Yeah.

02:12:05.000 But it's just like, the information is very fascinating.

02:12:05.000 Which is fine.

02:12:09.000 But I just, I always wish people read their own book in audio.

02:12:14.000 Yeah.

02:12:15.000 You know why I didn't?

02:12:16.000 Because I think I sound like Lois Griffin and Sarah Palin had a baby.

02:12:22.000 And I don't know that anybody wants to listen to hours of my book.

02:12:25.000 They do.

02:12:26.000 I'm sure they do.

02:12:27.000 They're listening to it right now.

02:12:28.000 Well, maybe I'll do a normal voice.

02:12:29.000 Maybe I'll do it.

02:12:29.000 It's all in your own head.

02:12:31.000 Well, I have this upper Midwest, like, old guy, you know, like that's you're from the upper Midwest.

02:12:36.000 It doesn't matter.

02:12:37.000 But the point is, it's like, it's interesting because this is your work.

02:12:42.000 It's your perspective, you know?

02:12:44.000 Yeah.

02:12:45.000 And it's really good.

02:12:48.000 There's a lot. 0.97

02:12:49.000 I'd say if I got to say anything else about it, I did not write this book, nor do I talk about these things or debate feminists because I hate women. 1.00

02:12:58.000 I do not hate women.

02:12:59.000 I love women. 1.00

02:13:01.000 I'm a woman.

02:13:02.000 I have daughters.

02:13:03.000 I have women in my life that I love. 1.00

02:13:06.000 That's a crazy narrative.

02:13:07.000 Yeah. 0.70

02:13:07.000 Well, and people think, they'll say, like, why do women act so crazy nowadays? 0.70

02:13:11.000 Why are they all so crazy?

02:13:12.000 And it's like, what do you think would happen if you took any group of humans and you said you are perfect the way you are?

02:13:18.000 You are a goddess.

02:13:19.000 You are strong, independent, whatever you are.

02:13:22.000 You don't need to change.

02:13:23.000 There's nothing to be improved upon.

02:13:24.000 And if you do something wrong, it's only because a man somewhere hurt you or did something bad.

02:13:31.000 And that's the only reason that you would do it.

02:13:33.000 Like we've removed accountability.

02:13:35.000 We've given women more power than the balance. 1.00

02:13:39.000 I think there was a balance already before feminism because you had women with the power over reproduction and mate selection and sexuality and motherhood and all the influence they have over men through those things. 1.00

02:13:52.000 And then you had men with the monopoly on physical force and probably like political force and things like that.

02:13:59.000 So there was kind of a balance.

02:14:01.000 And what we did with feminism was we just completely threw it off. 1.00

02:14:04.000 And now we're like, no, men, you stay down, you be quiet, you're toxic, you're bad. 0.95

02:14:09.000 Like schools, public schools are terrible for boys.

02:14:12.000 Sit down, be quiet, be like Susie, just use the highlighter and organize things by color and be quiet and still and soft and nice.

02:14:21.000 And, you know, we HR manage boys to death now.

02:14:25.000 And so we've thrown the balance off.

02:14:27.000 And what we've done is give women all this power, but taken away all the accountability. 1.00

02:14:31.000 And it's like, why would you not expect them to act a little crazy?

02:14:35.000 Why would it not kind of spoil them?

02:14:37.000 And I don't think women are inherently bad. 1.00

02:14:40.000 I think what feminism has done has made them a worse version of who they would be otherwise. 1.00

02:14:47.000 I think we need accountability and responsibility.

02:14:49.000 We need to have some self-sacrifice in life.

02:14:52.000 We need to have the same inherent human struggle that men have and that all people have had.

02:14:58.000 And we did before.

02:15:00.000 So every time you look in history, this is a key thing.

02:15:02.000 If you are arguing with feminists, if you're looking at history and they say, look at this horrible thing, women couldn't have this or women didn't do that or there was stigma around this.

02:15:11.000 Ask yourself, was that also true for men?

02:15:14.000 Because it always is.

02:15:15.000 It always is.

02:15:17.000 Men didn't have this glorious, carefree existence, free of responsibility, where they had all the power and control, but none of the accountability.

02:15:24.000 That's a lie.

02:15:25.000 That's a myth.

02:15:26.000 But we've convinced women of that. 0.90

02:15:28.000 So now we're trying to flip it the other way. 0.99

02:15:30.000 And yeah, women are acting crazy. 1.00

02:15:32.000 We have Bonnie Blue and we have like all these crazy OnlyFans girls. 0.99

02:15:35.000 And like the only women online besides me and a handful of others are boss babes and OnlyFans chicks and Instagram models and blue-haired screeching feminists. 0.99

02:15:46.000 That's what we've ended up with.

02:15:47.000 So it's like, I wrote it because I think feminism is bad for women and I think it would help them. 0.85

02:15:54.000 I think it's bad for everyone and kids.

02:15:56.000 I am no longer willing to sacrifice the welfare of children on the altar of feminism ever again.

02:16:03.000 I won't do it.

02:16:04.000 And if you want me to throw kids under the bus so that women can do blah, I don't care what it is. 1.00

02:16:10.000 I'm not going to do it.

02:16:11.000 I want to see kids growing up in loving families with both their parents.

02:16:16.000 I want to see community again.

02:16:18.000 I want to see families again.

02:16:20.000 All the great stuff that we all lost from that, the loneliness epidemic, all the depression and the anxiety.

02:16:27.000 Women have higher rates of substance abuse than ever in recorded history right now. 0.66

02:16:32.000 26%.

02:16:33.000 Don't men also have higher rates of substance abuse.

02:16:35.000 No, it's actually stayed pretty static with men.

02:16:37.000 In fact, like Gen Z boys hardly ever drink. 1.00

02:16:41.000 Like the marijuana opioid addiction.

02:16:45.000 The opioid epidemic is pretty much both because I think it's kind of medically based.

02:16:50.000 A lot of people get something, get a surgery or whatever.

02:16:53.000 And then they get hooked.

02:16:54.000 Yeah, and they get hooked on it and then they got to go looking for it elsewhere.

02:16:58.000 But women, we've never seen as high a rate of fetal alcohol syndrome in babies as we're seeing now.

02:17:03.000 And alcoholism is much worse for women. 1.00

02:17:06.000 Our bodies are smaller.

02:17:07.000 Our livers don't handle toxic amounts of alcohol, even as well as a man.

02:17:11.000 It's bad for men.

02:17:12.000 It's even worse for women. 1.00

02:17:14.000 26% of American women are on at least one psychiatric prescription drug.

02:17:20.000 That's nuts.

02:17:20.000 Yeah.

02:17:22.000 That's nuts.

02:17:22.000 And they did something there in my book, I cover a big study called The Paradox of Female Happiness.

02:17:29.000 And this came out in 2008, I think, and it made huge waves where they did this giant survey of women.

02:17:37.000 They had done one in the 70s and they were repeating it, you know, 40-something years later to see, like, okay, we've had a lot of feminism. 1.00

02:17:44.000 Are women doing better? 1.00

02:17:45.000 And on every metric they measured, women reported being less fulfilled, less happy, and less content than they did in the 70s before they were like fully liberated.

02:17:56.000 And they give a lot of reasons as to why, you know, the burden of having to juggle work and home and the expectations of versus reality of what feminism sold them and things like that. 0.99

02:18:08.000 And then they did a repeat study several years later that was even more comprehensive where they went to other countries and other societies and different types of places and did another survey about women's happiness because now feminism is pretty global. 0.99

02:18:21.000 There's only a few places in the world where it hasn't really taken hold yet.

02:18:25.000 So they were like, we should check other places.

02:18:28.000 And the authors of the study opened with something that I thought was kind of funny.

02:18:33.000 They said, regardless of where you look, culture, economic status, religion, it doesn't seem to matter, women everywhere and always are less happy than men. 1.00

02:18:44.000 And they said the reasons for that are somewhat biological.

02:18:47.000 We have like hormonal fluctuations that men don't deal with, you know, things like periods and menopause and all that sort of stuff.

02:18:53.000 And we're just less emotionally stable.

02:18:55.000 Women experience three times the mental illness that men do. 0.98

02:19:00.000 And it could be for many reasons.

02:19:03.000 We could like try to tear all that apart.

02:19:05.000 But feminism hasn't made women happier. 1.00

02:19:08.000 It hasn't made them safer.

02:19:10.000 I don't think it's really given them more choices.

02:19:12.000 It's just given them kind of different choices.

02:19:16.000 And children are suffering the most.

02:19:18.000 And when you tear apart the family unit, which is what the Marxist feminists said was their explicit purpose, because property rights are passed down through men. 0.77

02:19:28.000 Men, you know, build businesses and own properties the most and pass it down to their kids. 0.61

02:19:32.000 So they're like, we got to get rid of this fatherhood stuff, the patriarchy.

02:19:36.000 We got to get rid of the family unit.

02:19:39.000 Especially like the Leninist ones were like, Lenin should be the daddy.

02:19:43.000 The government should be the daddy. 0.50

02:19:45.000 Because.

02:19:46.000 Yeah, and you see that with a lot of socialist-leaning cities where they want the state to be in charge of things like decisions, whether or not a child can medically transition.

02:19:57.000 Yes. 1.00

02:19:57.000 That kind of shit. 1.00

02:19:58.000 Yes, all that stuff. 1.00

02:20:00.000 It's all there for reasons, which are all detailed in the book, but it's basically a scam. 0.98

02:20:05.000 And I feel like women have been grossly misled and horribly propagandized to believe a whole bunch of shit that's not even true. 0.91

02:20:13.000 And if they read my book and if they look into it themselves, they double-check all my sources, they go back and read everything themselves and they still believe it's better for them, that's fine. 0.96

02:20:22.000 But I at least want them to know the truth and be able to make an informed decision about why they're living their life the way they are and if they believe this sort of stuff and if they really accept this feminist framework or not. 0.98

02:20:34.000 Well, it's a really, really well-written book and it's very fascinating.

02:20:39.000 And I really enjoyed this conversation.

02:20:40.000 Well, thanks.

02:20:41.000 I'm so glad that you loved the book.

02:20:42.000 I was really shocked that you liked it so much that no, I really did.

02:20:45.000 It was, it was very, it was eye-opening.

02:20:48.000 Like how many of these people were full-on kooks that just abandoned their kids.

02:20:54.000 And these are the people that everybody's looking to like, oh, she was a boss lady. 0.96

02:20:58.000 Like, she was a monster. 0.98

02:20:59.000 She's a horrible person that didn't think anyone should have children. 1.00

02:21:04.000 Like, there's so much of that in the book. 0.92

02:21:06.000 It's really, really crazy.

02:21:07.000 It's crazy.

02:21:07.000 So here it is.

02:21:09.000 Occult Feminism, The Secret History of Women's Liberation. 0.54

02:21:12.000 Rachel Wilson.

02:21:13.000 Go get it.

02:21:14.000 Thanks so much.

02:21:15.000 It was fun.

The Joe Rogan Experience - February 26, 2026

Joe Rogan Experience #2460 - Rachel Wilson

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