The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2464

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00:00:12.000 I won't lie, I am nervous to talk to you.

00:00:15.000 Come on.

00:00:16.000 How can you be nervous?

00:00:17.000 That's ridiculous.

00:00:18.000 Like I came in slightly intimidated.

00:00:20.000 Why?

00:00:22.000 I actually don't know the answer to that because we've never met.

00:00:25.000 So it's not like you've intimidated me, but I just, I'm really, I think what I really enjoy about your show is just such an eclectic perspective on so many diverse things, and it comes like so naturally to you.

00:00:40.000 I really admire that.

00:00:41.000 Well, fortunately, I don't have anybody pick my guests.

00:00:45.000 So it's all people that I'm actually interested in talking to.

00:00:47.000 So it's easy.

00:00:48.000 It's just stuff.

00:00:49.000 That's nice.

00:00:50.000 So thank you for picking me.

00:00:51.000 Oh, my pleasure.

00:00:52.000 I'm excited to talk to you.

00:00:54.000 Your movie is fucking crazy.

00:00:56.000 Like, I knew it was a pirate movie, but I just did not expect the ultra violence.

00:01:02.000 Like from the beginning, I was like, yo.

00:01:05.000 Like, I locked in immediately.

00:01:06.000 I was like, first scene, I was like, holy shit.

00:01:09.000 Like, this is crazy.

00:01:11.000 Well, thank you.

00:01:11.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:01:12.000 How is that like, right?

00:01:14.000 I mean, when you're doing something that's that hyper-violent, like, is that, does that freak you out at all?

00:01:21.000 Like, you're cutting people open with swords and stabbing them in the neck, and it's like, holy shit.

00:01:27.000 When you're doing it, you know, it's like make-believe.

00:01:30.000 So it's so much fun to be like, yeah, playing pirates, and I'm going to behead you.

00:01:35.000 But I mean, in moments of like scenes and stuff where I actually had to think about what it must have been like to be a female at that time or because they existed.

00:01:46.000 Women, female pirates existed, and we just, we didn't hear many, much about stories about them.

00:01:51.000 I mean, I heard about Grace O'Malley, maybe there were Mary Reid, like a few famous ones, Ching Shi, after I did my research.

00:02:02.000 But like in those moments, you're like, this stuff must have, like, this was real.

00:02:06.000 They lived at a time where it was survival of the fittest.

00:02:10.000 It was barbaric.

00:02:12.000 And I wonder what that must have been like.

00:02:14.000 But besides that, the stunts and stuff, like, I really have so much admiration for the amount of precision it requires to pull that stuff off from so many people, not just the stunt department, but like the cameras, because they're also moving in sync with you.

00:02:32.000 Yeah.

00:02:32.000 And that's cool.

00:02:34.000 It is cool.

00:02:35.000 Is it hard to stay in the moment when all that is happening?

00:02:40.000 Because you have so much coordination and so there's so much choreography.

00:02:45.000 There's like he's going to swing this way and you're going to block it and you're going to dive down.

00:02:49.000 It's like, it's so complex.

00:02:52.000 Like these are long extended fight scenes.

00:02:55.000 Had a lot of one-ners too, like full the whole scene in one shot.

00:03:00.000 Whoa.

00:03:01.000 Which Frankie, our director, really loved the idea of, and I honestly love it because it brings you into that moment is so enriched with everything that you're supposed to feel between action and cut.

00:03:13.000 So I do love a long one-er-but you know, I come from Bollywood movies, so we have a lot of choreography, a choreography for like dance sequences where stories are also moving forward, like between your exchange of expression or something's happening somewhere else, you come back.

00:03:31.000 So I treat sort of fight sequences like dancing.

00:03:35.000 It's you learn the choreography, but that doesn't stop your face from telling the story.

00:03:40.000 Right.

00:03:41.000 That makes sense.

00:03:42.000 Yeah.

00:03:42.000 And I mean, it is kind of, I mean, it's just choreography.

00:03:47.000 Whether it's choreography with dance or choreography with movements with your hands and swords.

00:03:51.000 I had never worked with blades before this movie, though.

00:03:53.000 That was cool.

00:03:54.000 How much training did you have to do?

00:03:57.000 Like when you found out that you're going to take the role, how much preparation did you have to do physically to get ready for all that stuff?

00:04:04.000 It was a cool year for me because I was filming three jobs, which were all action and stunts.

00:04:10.000 So this movie called Heads of State, which I did for Amazon again, and then Citadel, and this movie.

00:04:16.000 So it was a year of three action-backed jobs.

00:04:19.000 So the, you know, being agile and being in it was already part of what I was doing because that's what I was filming every day.

00:04:25.000 But the swords training was tough and to be ambidextrous with it as well.

00:04:31.000 So I had my stunt coordinator who was doing all three movies with me, she, in between shots, she and I would just take our rubber swords out and do like choreography and rehearsals.

00:04:43.000 But like it took at least three or four months of just staying in it and getting loose with it.

00:04:48.000 Also because Carl Urban, my co-actor, had casual, learned how to do like sword fights in The Lord of the Rings.

00:04:57.000 So he was amazing at it.

00:04:59.000 So I didn't, you know, in that last duel, I didn't want to be any less than.

00:05:04.000 So I kind of went at it.

00:05:06.000 No, you look very good at it.

00:05:08.000 It was really good.

00:05:09.000 So I was like, did you work with some sort of like a kendo specialist or some fencing specialist?

00:05:16.000 Like, how did you learn how to move the sword correctly?

00:05:19.000 It wasn't kendo, for sure, and it definitely wasn't fencing.

00:05:22.000 It was uniquely because the swords were our director was very, very excited about the weapons in this movie and wanting to get it really right from the period, whether it was the guns that we used or the blades that we used.

00:05:35.000 The machete was one of my favorite weapons in the movie because that's like her weapon in the movie because it's practical.

00:05:43.000 Use it for coconuts, use it for skulls.

00:05:45.000 Same, same.

00:05:47.000 And that was really fun.

00:05:49.000 But our Second unit director Rob Alonzo had so much experience in the amount of work that he's done prior.

00:05:58.000 He came in with a very specific idea of wanting to make the fighting style super unique and each set piece like a different design of choreography.

00:06:08.000 So, you know, there was one which was in a dark cave, so the only time you saw people was when the gunshot went off and just different styles of fighting, which I thought was really cool.

00:06:18.000 So, but did you have like a professional trainer that taught you how to do that?

00:06:21.000 Yes.

00:06:22.000 And so, how would you do it?

00:06:23.000 Would you do it with a real sword?

00:06:24.000 Did you do it with like well, we had three different kinds of swords.

00:06:27.000 The real sword like weighs more than me.

00:06:29.000 It was insane.

00:06:30.000 I couldn't do it with a real sword as much.

00:06:32.000 But for filming, and this is the magic of the movies, you know, you have four different weights of it.

00:06:37.000 One is like the real sword, where you need it for like, you know, where it's a close-up or the sword is really, really visible.

00:06:45.000 But when you're doing the big choreography, you have like a lighter sword, which is created by the props department, and then another lighter one.

00:06:52.000 And when you need to flip it, it's the lightest one.

00:06:54.000 Because I was thinking.

00:06:57.000 That's good.

00:06:57.000 It's good to know.

00:06:58.000 That sucks.

00:07:00.000 Oh, no.

00:07:01.000 No, here, I was trying to impress you with my sword flipping.

00:07:04.000 It's impressive, period.

00:07:06.000 Talking about my fencing, but no, it was movie magic.

00:07:09.000 One of the things that I was thinking when I was watching it is like, how many takes did you have to do with this?

00:07:13.000 Because that's got to be so hard to do.

00:07:15.000 Because you're swinging this gigantic iron thing and clashing into other ones.

00:07:20.000 I'm like, if you have to do three or four takes, this your arms are going to be toast.

00:07:23.000 Oh, we did like 10 hours of it every day for like seven days or something.

00:07:27.000 Do you have shoulder problems?

00:07:28.000 Do you have problems after that?

00:07:29.000 No, actually, I didn't, but I was jacked.

00:07:32.000 My arms never looked as good.

00:07:35.000 Now, I mean, I have a four-year-old and I lift her a lot, so my arms are like all right.

00:07:39.000 But during this movie, because we were just like at it, and we both, you know, threw ourselves at it, Carl and I.

00:07:47.000 And it took, it was a big choreography on top of this bluff.

00:07:50.000 We shot on 100% of this movie, at least 90% is definitely on practical sets, real sets.

00:07:56.000 We did not want to use a lot of VFX.

00:07:58.000 So, you know, Phil Ivey, our production designer, we built the ships, we built the house, we built everything was a replica of what it would have looked like in the 1900s in the Cayman Islands.

00:08:10.000 We went and saw it.

00:08:11.000 It was amazing to be able to do that with real stuff, you know?

00:08:15.000 Yeah.

00:08:15.000 Well, the whole history of piracy is so fascinating.

00:08:19.000 And one of the things that the movie is about is this, the Carl Urban character is from, he was one of the soldiers of the East India Trading Company.

00:08:28.000 Then I went on a deep dive on the East India Trading Company.

00:08:32.000 That is crazy.

00:08:35.000 When you learn the history of that one corporation is one of the first publicly traded corporations that essentially was in control of India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh, went to war with China over opium, and that's how they took over Hong Kong.

00:08:54.000 And you're like, holy shit, one crazy fucking corporation involved in the slave trade, the opium, just a corporation, a publicly traded corporation.

00:09:04.000 People could buy stock in it, like one of the first ones.

00:09:06.000 And it just went haywire to the point where it got so big, there was a revolt, and then the British government took over it, nationalized it.

00:09:15.000 But it's the whole story is insane.

00:09:18.000 If you think about how much in their minds they were able to achieve and how much they were able to destroy in that duration is crazy if you go down history.

00:09:32.000 Changed the course of countries forever.

00:09:35.000 Human lives forever.

00:09:36.000 Forever.

00:09:37.000 Like the amount of pillaging that happened.

00:09:39.000 Yes.

00:09:40.000 Millions and millions of lives.

00:09:41.000 And this movie actually has a really interesting slice of what they were capable of doing.

00:09:47.000 They utilized pirates in order to take over new lands in their conquests.

00:09:56.000 And then when piracy was abolished, they went after them and they wanted to arrest them and they vilified the same people that helped them build their entire empire.

00:10:07.000 So this was really interesting because my character's story, her parents and her family are indentured servants, which was the truth of many, many people, especially in India, where young people were told better opportunities, new lands, more money.

00:10:26.000 Come with us and take them off as servants and then drop them in different parts of the world, in islands.

00:10:32.000 And the Caribbean has a huge Indian community whose history started with just being displaced from their lands and dropped somewhere else in the world and then having to figure out what your future looks like.

00:10:46.000 I mean, it still happens to many, many people around the world right now.

00:10:49.000 But I thought it was really interesting that my character came from that and her entire identity was erased, taken from her.

00:10:58.000 She had no idea.

00:10:59.000 She was 12, so she had no idea what it meant to have that identity.

00:11:03.000 And I met so many people actually when I went to the Cayman who don't know anything about their family tree beyond like five generations.

00:11:13.000 Or they know where their family may have come from, from Sri Lanka or from India or, you know, any other nation, but have no idea what, like, what it was, where, from what village, like, what was your culture.

00:11:30.000 And that ambiguity in a history of a human being erases a part of you.

00:11:36.000 It denies you of knowing the depth of your culture or where you come from or your roots.

00:11:43.000 And I thought that was really, really interesting for my character to play and then reclaim herself through the journey of the movie.

00:11:52.000 Well, it's a fascinating part of human history.

00:11:54.000 And it's taken place all over the world.

00:11:57.000 And for a lot of cultures, they don't have an understanding of exactly what happened before they were colonized.

00:12:09.000 Like one of the great examples is Mexico.

00:12:11.000 I went in a long, deep dive on Mexico recently over the last few months because I've had a bunch of people who were historians who came on the podcast who were just researching these ancient Inca and Mayan sites and talking to them about it.

00:12:24.000 And then I went into it and it's like there was over 100 different languages that are just lost forever in that whole what is now called Mexico.

00:12:35.000 And that's the reason why everybody over there speaks Spanish and is Catholic.

00:12:39.000 Like it's not because that was their language and that was their religion.

00:12:43.000 They were all conquered.

00:12:44.000 Absolutely.

00:12:45.000 I mean by like 600 guys.

00:12:48.000 That's what's nuts.

00:12:50.000 Yeah.

00:12:50.000 600 guys in the 1500s came over, took over what was the Aztec Empire with help of the people that they were in conflict with, and changed the course of the entire country.

00:13:05.000 It's a new generation.

00:13:07.000 For forever.

00:13:08.000 Like to this day, people in Mexico think they speak Spanish and they have a Catholic religion.

00:13:13.000 Well, that's all brought over from Spain.

00:13:16.000 Like the entire country, they had wild names too, like cacao, thunder, sky god, and all these different, like almost like Native American type names.

00:13:26.000 They looked like Native Americans.

00:13:26.000 Wow.

00:13:28.000 But if you think about it, doesn't that make sense?

00:13:30.000 That makes so much sense.

00:13:31.000 They probably like shared land and crops.

00:13:35.000 Well, there was no reason.

00:13:36.000 There were no borders at the time.

00:13:37.000 No, back then, I mean, what were countries in the 1500s in North America?

00:13:43.000 Like, what was, we don't even know.

00:13:45.000 Like, what was North America?

00:13:46.000 I mean, I think about how young America is, technically.

00:13:49.000 Super young.

00:13:50.000 Like, how many years?

00:13:51.000 300 years, 400 years?

00:13:52.000 Yeah, less than 300 years.

00:13:55.000 Yeah, and like you were talking about history in India.

00:13:59.000 She has been invaded over thousands and thousands and thousands of years, only invaded.

00:14:05.000 We've never invaded anybody else.

00:14:08.000 She's not at the time.

00:14:13.000 Yeah, the Portuguese, the British, the Mughals, like from back in time.

00:14:18.000 And the history of India, I mean, I'm not a historian and I don't claim to be, but I find it really fascinating.

00:14:23.000 I love culture and especially the culture of India.

00:14:27.000 You will see my grandmother was Catholic because she comes, she was raised in a part of India which was colonized, and a lot of people with Kerala, a lot of people were converted into Catholicism.

00:14:39.000 And she grew up Catholic and you know, she followed it for a really long time in her life.

00:14:44.000 India is like hyper-diverse because of how many people have kind of made it her roots.

00:14:53.000 So when you go to India, the amount of diversity you will see, the kind of range of people that you will meet is impossible to fathom.

00:15:02.000 Like an Indian face does not look like a particular person.

00:15:06.000 Or the amount of cultures, the languages, we have written and spoken languages, which are almost like 20-something or in their 30s, absolutely different alphabet, absolutely different sound.

00:15:18.000 I can't, if I go to another state, I won't be able to understand what people are saying.

00:15:22.000 Wow.

00:15:23.000 It's amazing.

00:15:25.000 How many different languages are spoken there?

00:15:28.000 About 28 to 30.

00:15:30.000 But there are dialects in their hundreds.

00:15:32.000 Oh, wow.

00:15:33.000 Don't even get into the dialects.

00:15:35.000 I just speak English and Hindi.

00:15:37.000 Understand a little bit of Punjabi and Marathi, but it's really amazing.

00:15:44.000 Have you ever been, by the way?

00:15:45.000 No, I haven't.

00:15:46.000 Oh, Joe, you have to.

00:15:47.000 You would really, like, you're the kind of guy who likes a deep dive.

00:15:50.000 Yeah.

00:15:51.000 You would really lose yourself, I think.

00:15:53.000 Well, I would go just to see, for many things, but just to see that one immense temple that was carved entirely out of stone is one of the great mysteries of archaeology.

00:16:05.000 But there are quite a few, if you go, especially south of India and the caves, if you go inside the Andaman and Nicobar, like the caves, you'll see from thousands and tens and thousands of years ago illustrations that you're like, how did this happen?

00:16:23.000 How could this temple have been chiseled or how could these stones have been moved at that time?

00:16:30.000 It's just, it makes you, it made me very, very curious about like what kind of tools did we have back then?

00:16:36.000 Well, there's a lot of holes in human history.

00:16:39.000 Graham Hancock has a great quote.

00:16:39.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:16:41.000 He says that we are a species with amnesia.

00:16:45.000 And I think that's accurate.

00:16:47.000 And I think when you find some of the great archaeological wonders where people just have decided, oh, they built it this way and then just let it go.

00:16:56.000 And then other people start looking at it and go, wait a minute, how?

00:17:00.000 How did they do this?

00:17:01.000 Like, when did they do this?

00:17:02.000 Like, what's the historical record of this?

00:17:05.000 Because this is kind of nuts.

00:17:06.000 This seems to indicate a very advanced, sophisticated society.

00:17:10.000 Yeah, a very advanced civilization.

00:17:12.000 Like, one of the oldest civilizations in the world, along with the Mayans, is the Indus Valley civilization, which is the north of India.

00:17:22.000 Yeah.

00:17:23.000 And I just remember studying about it in school and that's my maximum understanding of that civilization, but also like having visited the Indus River, I guess.

00:17:34.000 But I remember like the artifacts that were found and like if you do a deep dive into how that civilization existed and then how it was erased.

00:17:46.000 And, you know, it makes you question like it's there had to be some seriously advanced like scientific understanding that was eventually lost as, you know, as human evolution happened where we lose a civilization and then comes back again.

00:18:05.000 But it just makes you wonder about early humans and how fascinatingly advanced we would have had to be to do all of that.

00:18:13.000 100%.

00:18:14.000 Without the technology and stuff that we have, I mean.

00:18:17.000 I think they had technology.

00:18:18.000 I think they had to do it.

00:18:20.000 I think so too.

00:18:21.000 I think they had to.

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00:19:29.000 This one particular temple that I'm talking about, Jamie, do you know the temple I'm talking about?

00:19:33.000 The one insanely massive one that's built into the side of a mountain?

00:19:37.000 Khaleesa Temple.

00:19:38.000 This is it.

00:19:39.000 This is crazy.

00:19:41.000 This is what I meant.

00:19:42.000 Because the precision involved.

00:19:44.000 First of all, there's no understanding of where the stone went.

00:19:50.000 They moved who knows how.

00:19:51.000 How did you take out all of those tons of rocks?

00:19:54.000 Yes.

00:19:57.000 It's so insane.

00:19:58.000 The precision is spectacular.

00:20:01.000 It's so nuts when you see videos of people going through it.

00:20:05.000 It's immense.

00:20:06.000 Absolutely immense and incredibly precise.

00:20:10.000 And just carved out of a solid piece of stone.

00:20:15.000 The whole thing is carved out of the mountain.

00:20:18.000 Think about how old that is.

00:20:21.000 Like this is all BC before Christ, like thousands and thousands of years BC.

00:20:28.000 And the history of India, like hence the diversity.

00:20:30.000 You see, it's one of the oldest civilizations in the world.

00:20:34.000 And then, like, how do you explain that?

00:20:36.000 Look at that image.

00:20:37.000 So it says it's 12,000.

00:20:38.000 What does it say?

00:20:39.000 How old did it say it was?

00:20:40.000 12,000.

00:20:42.000 That can't be right.

00:20:42.000 How do they know that?

00:20:44.000 1,200 years old?

00:20:46.000 See, there's a lot of just estimates based on what was the civilization at the time.

00:20:51.000 Yeah.

00:20:51.000 And there's no, like, this is the thing with Peru.

00:20:54.000 Like, Sacsay Huaman and a lot of these places where they attribute it to the Incas.

00:20:58.000 But you see, like, traditional Inca structures on top of these immense stones that are 100 tons.

00:21:05.000 They're carved in these weird jigsaw patterns is to absorb the energy if there's an earthquake.

00:21:10.000 Wow.

00:21:11.000 Like, it's weird shit.

00:21:12.000 And it's like, okay, well, who did that?

00:21:14.000 So, like, oh, the Incas did it.

00:21:16.000 Like, how?

00:21:17.000 Because all their other structures are smaller stones stacked on top of each other in a way that you could see a person carrying them and cutting them.

00:21:17.000 How did they do that?

00:21:24.000 Makes sense.

00:21:25.000 But there's a lot of stuff like that temple.

00:21:27.000 Like, explain to me what you used.

00:21:31.000 There's no explanation.

00:21:32.000 Like, how?

00:21:33.000 Like, just metal?

00:21:34.000 You just use metal and carve that out like that?

00:21:36.000 And, like, just a chisel and human...

00:21:38.000 And if you fuck up once, it's over.

00:21:41.000 Because you're not putting things on top of things.

00:21:43.000 Like, oh, this block sucks.

00:21:44.000 Let's get a new block.

00:21:45.000 No, you're carving it.

00:21:46.000 Do you change the design if there's a fuck up?

00:21:48.000 Like, you know what I mean?

00:21:49.000 If you're trying to build like a human form and you chisel off the nose, do you turn it into something else?

00:21:57.000 I don't know.

00:21:58.000 Probably.

00:21:58.000 Otherwise, because it's just one piece, and you're right, you're not adding anything to it.

00:22:03.000 Well, in Egypt, there's indications that they abandoned certain pieces because they cracked.

00:22:07.000 Because when you're dealing with, you know, granite and there's certain specifically there's a gigantic obelisk that they were carving out.

00:22:18.000 I mean, I think it was like 1,300 tons, like something bananas.

00:22:21.000 Like, okay, how are you going to move this fucking thing?

00:22:24.000 But they got to a certain point where there's a crack in it, and so they had to abandon it.

00:22:27.000 And so it's still there.

00:22:28.000 Is it still there?

00:22:29.000 Yeah, it's still there.

00:22:29.000 I think that's an, it might be an Aswan.

00:22:32.000 I'm not sure where it is.

00:22:33.000 Do you know, like, you know, the theories around the Egyptian pyramids, obviously?

00:22:39.000 Like, how were those blocks carried up?

00:22:43.000 There's no valid theory.

00:22:45.000 Zero.

00:22:47.000 Was it in that shape and so precisely, geometrically, you know?

00:22:51.000 Well, it's even more complicated now because there's an Italian scientist that we had on recently called Filippo Biondi.

00:22:57.000 Am I saying it right?

00:22:58.000 Biondi?

00:22:59.000 He's amazing accent, this guy.

00:23:01.000 He's fucking incredible.

00:23:03.000 But he's using, what is it, radio Doppler tomography?

00:23:09.000 So it's a type of satellite imagery that uses some technology to get a vision of what's under the ground.

00:23:19.000 And they've used this successfully to show known caverns in the ground and known pyramids.

00:23:27.000 And they even used it in Italy to show that they can look through a 1.2 kilometer mountain and see underneath it this particle collider and have an exact dimension of the particle collider and see what the outlet.

00:23:41.000 So they used this on the pyramids and they found these immense structures under the pyramids that go over a kilometer into the ground with massive, these huge 20 meter diameter columns that have these huge circular coils wrapped around them.

00:24:03.000 No one knows what the hell they're looking at, but they're in very precise positions.

00:24:07.000 They've done over 200 scans of these things.

00:24:09.000 They don't know what they are.

00:24:11.000 They don't know what's the purpose of all this, who made this.

00:24:15.000 So if this turns out to be accurate, and they're very confident that it's accurate, and they're starting to look into it deeper, and they're trying to figure out how to get down in there and explore with drones or something.

00:24:29.000 Then the whole thing gets thrown into question because it's preposterous enough that you have someone who's able to cut and place 2,300,000 stones that's perfectly aligned, a true north, south, east, and west.

00:24:44.000 Some of them weigh as much as 80 tons.

00:24:46.000 Tons that come from 500 miles away through the mountains, no roads.

00:24:50.000 Like, how'd you do it?

00:24:51.000 That's crazy.

00:24:52.000 That's crazy in itself.

00:24:54.000 If there's structures underneath that that go a kilometer into the ground, and like there's a giant, like a huge square at the bottom, they don't know what it is.

00:25:05.000 But these are structures.

00:25:06.000 These are not like something that is just a naturally occurring stone.

00:25:10.000 Yeah, it was man-made.

00:25:11.000 Show her an image of it.

00:25:12.000 It's fucking cool.

00:25:14.000 So what is that?

00:25:15.000 These are these columns.

00:25:17.000 This is like what the images are showing you, and the three-dimensional replication of what they think is, that's what they think it looks like underneath there.

00:25:26.000 They have no idea what these things are.

00:25:28.000 What?

00:25:30.000 There's also, is that Hawara that has that underground labyrinth?

00:25:37.000 They've also found these, Herodotus wrote about these labyrinths.

00:25:41.000 There's a great channel on YouTube called Uncharted X by this guy, Ben Van Kirkwick, who's been on the podcast before.

00:25:46.000 He's great.

00:25:47.000 And they've used radio, well, they used ground-penetrating radar in that location.

00:25:54.000 They found that these immense labyrinths are real.

00:25:57.000 They're there.

00:25:58.000 They're huge.

00:25:59.000 Herodotus said it's greater than Giza, and it's underground.

00:26:04.000 And in the center of one of these atriums, there is a 40-meter metallic object that's shaped like a Tic-Tac.

00:26:13.000 It's in the center of this.

00:26:15.000 Yes.

00:26:16.000 So there's a bunch of shit that they can't explain down there.

00:26:21.000 Where you're like, okay, what is this?

00:26:23.000 They also know that a lot of these civilizations, like later versions of it, took from some of the older sites and started building new things or built on top of them, like very disrespectfully.

00:26:34.000 But nobody had an idea of the importance of history back then.

00:26:37.000 You're just trying to stay alive.

00:26:38.000 And so they found all these stones.

00:26:40.000 Let's use these stones.

00:26:41.000 So totally in India, like when we were colonized, you hear stories of the British officers telling little kids that, hey, I'll give you two pounds.

00:26:53.000 Go and get the gold statue from this temple or whatever.

00:26:56.000 And you don't have comprehension of what the value of historical things were.

00:27:01.000 That there was so much that was taken from India in terms of wealth and history and historical artifacts and the Kohinur diamond, which is still on the queen's crown, which came from India.

00:27:15.000 And like so many things which were in England?

00:27:18.000 Yeah.

00:27:19.000 She has a diamond on her crown that she stole from.

00:27:21.000 Pull it up.

00:27:21.000 Kohinur diamond.

00:27:22.000 K-O-H-I-N-O-H.

00:27:24.000 Give it back.

00:27:26.000 Give it back.

00:27:27.000 Yeah, we've been asking for it for a minute.

00:27:31.000 We have.

00:27:32.000 It's so nice.

00:27:33.000 Well, the whole history of England in India is nuts, too.

00:27:35.000 That's the diamond?

00:27:36.000 Whoa.

00:27:36.000 How big is that sucker?

00:27:39.000 How big is that thing?

00:27:41.000 How big would that be?

00:27:44.000 I think I saw 300 carats.

00:27:47.000 Whoa.

00:27:48.000 What is that worth?

00:27:49.000 What's 100?

00:27:50.000 Well, besides the historical value of it, which is probably priceless, what is 105 carats worth?

00:27:57.000 That's nuts.

00:28:00.000 A couple of millions of people.

00:28:01.000 You have a rock right down in your hand.

00:28:03.000 Yeah.

00:28:04.000 I mean, that's what I'm saying.

00:28:05.000 The royalty in India had so much jewelry and wealth and stuff that was pillaged and just taken.

00:28:12.000 Well, the history of India is fascinating.

00:28:15.000 Like in the Vedic texts and the descriptions of Vimanas.

00:28:21.000 Have you ever read any of that stuff?

00:28:23.000 Yeah, the Vedas.

00:28:24.000 Not extensively, but clearly you have.

00:28:26.000 The Vimanas are, it's like, what are you talking about?

00:28:29.000 You're talking about flying crafts?

00:28:30.000 Yeah.

00:28:31.000 Like, what do you.

00:28:32.000 That's the thing.

00:28:32.000 You go, if you do a deep dive into the mythology of India and the stories that come from there, the kind of technology that has been mentioned in these ancient texts, like the Vimanas, you're saying, you have flying objects, you have spears with some sort of energy, you have bows and arrows with some sort of energy that travels beyond time and light.

00:28:57.000 And there's so much of all of this stuff referenced back then, which maybe humans thought was magic, but was some form of ancient technology.

00:29:06.000 Like, who's to say?

00:29:07.000 But we do definitely believe in Indian mythology.

00:29:12.000 If you go back into Hinduism and the incredible stories that exist, like I love to think about the origin, like where it must have come from.

00:29:23.000 But there's so many fascinating, fascinating stories from then.

00:29:27.000 Yeah, I have an opinion that most people that were writing things down back then were trying to document a truth.

00:29:35.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:29:36.000 I don't think they were trying to make up stories.

00:29:37.000 No, I think it was definitely their truth.

00:29:39.000 But from our perspective now, we have to be like, how do you break down the truth of, you know, that there was this light that arrived from miles and miles away and it felt like, I don't know, was it a bomb?

00:29:53.000 Like, what was it?

00:29:54.000 What was it of that time?

00:29:56.000 Right.

00:29:56.000 So it's cool to kind of try and interpret that.

00:29:58.000 I mean, I believe in the mysticism and the magic of ancient humans and, you know, the beginning of time.

00:30:06.000 There's no way to explain what and how that was.

00:30:10.000 You know, we have the information we do from religious texts and historians of the past, but it's just really fascinating to think about how resilient and human beings have been and how evolutions have had the same problems over time, but we kind of just navigate it through different worlds, you know?

00:30:32.000 Yeah, I think it's hard for us to grasp timelines.

00:30:37.000 Probably impossible.

00:30:39.000 Think about how short a human lifespan used to be to where it is now.

00:30:45.000 Our stories have to come from people telling people stories or documenting them.

00:30:51.000 Right.

00:30:52.000 And those stories, like when you're talking about certain passages in the Bible or certain passages in any religious text, a lot of those were stories that were just handed down for generations and generations before anybody wrote anything.

00:31:08.000 So it's like, what were they trying to remember?

00:31:11.000 Like when they're talking about flying Vimanas, like what were they talking about?

00:31:16.000 Like what did they experience?

00:31:17.000 And how long ago was it?

00:31:20.000 Because I don't think we have a real understanding of how long ago it is.

00:31:24.000 I mean, 17,000 BC is where or around that time.

00:31:30.000 That's that many years ago is what they say.

00:31:33.000 But again, who knows?

00:31:35.000 Well, that makes sense if you take into account the 20,000 BC.

00:31:38.000 There's a guy named Randall Carlson who's been on my podcast a few times, and he's a really fascinating guy.

00:31:43.000 And he's an expert in asteroid collisions with Earth.

00:31:47.000 Wow.

00:31:48.000 He's an expert in all the different times that Earth has been slammed by comets and meteors.

00:31:54.000 Is that how the dinosaurs were?

00:31:56.000 So it did, it was an asteroid.

00:31:58.000 Yeah, they believe so.

00:31:59.000 It was in the Yucatan, that one.

00:32:01.000 That's the 65 billion years ago one.

00:32:03.000 But there's other ones that are before that.

00:32:06.000 And then there's other ones that are after that.

00:32:06.000 Yeah.

00:32:06.000 Before that.

00:32:08.000 And one of the more interesting ones is called the Younger Dryest Impact Theory.

00:32:12.000 And that one's from about 11,800 years ago.

00:32:15.000 And then again, they think somewhere in the 10,000 years that happened.

00:32:19.000 So there's a comet storm that we pass by.

00:32:21.000 I think it's every June in November.

00:32:23.000 I forget what the time is.

00:32:25.000 But this is like also aligns with, do you know about the Tunguska event?

00:32:30.000 Have you ever heard of that?

00:32:30.000 No.

00:32:31.000 In the early 1900s, a meteor exploded in the sky above Russia and devastated like a million acres of land.

00:32:42.000 And it was during the same time period.

00:32:44.000 And they realized, like, there's this comet storm that we pass through.

00:32:47.000 Like, when you see meteor showers during the sky, it's because we're passing through these areas of our solar system that have these comets.

00:32:55.000 This is the Tunguska event.

00:32:57.000 So it just, and to this day, that area has no trees on it.

00:33:01.000 Whoa.

00:33:01.000 Yeah.

00:33:02.000 So it just flattened everything.

00:33:05.000 And it didn't even impact the ground.

00:33:07.000 It blew up in the sky above it.

00:33:11.000 And this was not even a big one.

00:33:13.000 So how does like nothing grow again?

00:33:15.000 Like what's a good question?

00:33:17.000 What is that asteroid made of that you can like Earth has been able to come back from so much?

00:33:23.000 Yeah, it's a good question.

00:33:24.000 That's crazy.

00:33:25.000 Maybe it's just not enough time.

00:33:26.000 I don't know.

00:33:27.000 I mean 117 years, maybe some, maybe eventually.

00:33:29.000 It seems like a millennia.

00:33:31.000 But it probably just blew the roots off of everything.

00:33:33.000 It blew everything into smithereens.

00:33:35.000 And it probably had some kind of chemical effect, too, because it's a physical object.

00:33:42.000 I don't know what it was made out of.

00:33:43.000 But, you know, some of them are made out of iron.

00:33:45.000 Some of them are made out of nickel.

00:33:47.000 Like that big one that they saw, three eye atlas that passed through.

00:33:51.000 That was a weird one because this is a nickel alloy that is as big as the size of Manhattan.

00:33:57.000 And the only way we have it on Earth is in industrial manufacturing of an alloy.

00:34:02.000 But this thing in another planet somewhere else, millions and millions and millions of years ago was formed under whatever weird circumstances and conditions their planet has.

00:34:13.000 But you, I mean, I want to know your thoughts on this, but you definitely don't think we're like the only species existing in the universe, right?

00:34:22.000 I don't think that's possible.

00:34:23.000 It's human arrogance if we think we do.

00:34:25.000 Yeah, that seems silly.

00:34:26.000 Yeah.

00:34:27.000 It doesn't make sense.

00:34:28.000 There's just too many planets.

00:34:30.000 It's a silly thing to think.

00:34:31.000 And they found evidence of life on Mars.

00:34:33.000 So they found evidence of some sort of bacterial life on Mars, like the traces of bacterial life.

00:34:40.000 And that's right there.

00:34:42.000 Maybe it's just within our Milky Way that we, I mean, we haven't even been able to travel outside of that yet, you know, to get information.

00:34:42.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:34:51.000 But there has to be other species that exist and other, like intelligence and technology.

00:34:59.000 Do you know the actor Terrence Howard?

00:35:01.000 I mean, I know of him.

00:35:02.000 Fascinating guy.

00:35:03.000 Like a little kooky, but super smart.

00:35:05.000 Like super smart.

00:35:06.000 He's got some wild ideas.

00:35:08.000 One of his ideas, I was like, wait, what?

00:35:11.000 He thinks that life occurs when planets get a certain distance from their sun.

00:35:19.000 And then over time, they get too far out.

00:35:22.000 and then life doesn't exist on those planets anymore.

00:35:25.000 But when they're in this Goldilocks zone like Earth is for a long period of time relative to our life, life exists, and then intelligent life emerges and figures out, hey, we got to get out of here eventually because this is not going to sustain us, and then it propagates the world or the universe, rather.

00:35:47.000 And he thinks that there's a thing that happens and he calls it peopling.

00:35:53.000 He thinks that when a planet gets further enough from the sun that it eventually peoples because it eventually reaches the right conditions where life emerges and evolution takes place and natural selection and random mutation, all these things converge and eventually you get an intelligent creature that knows how to manipulate its environment.

00:36:15.000 Is there any proof of planets like moving away from their sun?

00:36:23.000 Well, they all do slowly.

00:36:25.000 Very slowly.

00:36:25.000 Like so even our even our solar system, we're all like slowly.

00:36:29.000 Yeah.

00:36:30.000 And also the sun is eventually going to burn out and explode and then we're fucked.

00:36:36.000 But that's a long time from now.

00:36:37.000 There's enough shit to be worried about.

00:36:40.000 Nothing's permanent.

00:36:41.000 Like suns are not permanent.

00:36:43.000 We're lucky we have a slow burn sun.

00:36:45.000 So we have a relatively small sun.

00:36:47.000 And there's a lot of weird speculation that it's part of a binary solar system too.

00:36:54.000 That there might have been another version of our sun that burned out that's like way out there, like way out in space, like way past Pluto, way out there.

00:37:03.000 I'd buy that.

00:37:04.000 It's possible.

00:37:05.000 I mean, there's a lot of wacky theories as to why there seems to be some large object that's outside of our vision that's way, way past Pluto.

00:37:15.000 So there's a thing called the Kuiper Belt that's outside of Pluto, and that's part of what Pluto is, which is why they decided it's not really a planet anymore.

00:37:21.000 But they think there's something else out there.

00:37:23.000 They call it Planet X.

00:37:25.000 They think it's a lot of weird speculation whether or not it's real.

00:37:29.000 But they think there might be a large body, larger than Earth, like Jupiter-size or something, like way out there.

00:37:35.000 And it might be a sun.

00:37:36.000 It might be a burnt out.

00:37:37.000 Like a burnt out sun that was crazy.

00:37:40.000 Insane.

00:37:41.000 Well, Earth alone, like Earth, the reason why we have the moon, supposedly, is because Earth was hit by another planet.

00:37:46.000 There's Earth 1.

00:37:47.000 So was the moon part of the Earth?

00:37:49.000 The moon was like a big chunk of that collision that burst off and then became the moon.

00:37:56.000 So there's Earth-1 and 2.

00:37:57.000 So does that happen with all the planets?

00:37:59.000 Like, because all the planets that have their own moons are explosions, maybe?

00:38:03.000 This is a question.

00:38:04.000 Good question.

00:38:05.000 I mean, maybe some of them are enormous asteroids that got caught in the gravity.

00:38:10.000 And maybe of them.

00:38:11.000 Maybe it's volcanic activity.

00:38:13.000 I don't know.

00:38:14.000 I think a lot of it's asteroid impacts, too.

00:38:16.000 They knock off giant chunks, and those chunks start orbiting that planet.

00:38:20.000 So does that mean that all of those planets do have a gravitational pull as well?

00:38:25.000 Oh, yeah, they're all pulled.

00:38:26.000 Yeah.

00:38:27.000 How strong would that gravitational pull be?

00:38:30.000 Well, it depends on the mass of the planet.

00:38:31.000 Like Jupiter, for example.

00:38:33.000 Jupiter is what protects us.

00:38:34.000 The reason why we don't get hit a lot is because Jupiter's so big.

00:38:39.000 So Jupiter has so much mass and so much gravity that it's like our big brother that like protects us.

00:38:46.000 Oh, thanks, Jupiter.

00:38:47.000 For real.

00:38:48.000 Yeah, no, that's great.

00:38:49.000 And they actually observed an impact on Jupiter.

00:38:53.000 I want to say it was in the 1980s where an enormous asteroid slammed into Jupiter and created a Earth-sized explosion.

00:39:02.000 Which separated from?

00:39:03.000 No, it just got absorbed.

00:39:05.000 Jupiter just absorbed it, but they watched it in real time.

00:39:09.000 And it was a way bigger explosion than they thought it was going to be.

00:39:12.000 They're like, yo.

00:39:13.000 So then they have to recalculate, like, oh, how big was that thing?

00:39:17.000 And it made a literal impact as large as the Earth.

00:39:21.000 Oh, my God.

00:39:22.000 Yeah.

00:39:23.000 I have to see that video.

00:39:24.000 Well, that's the solar system is just a fucking shooting gallery.

00:39:28.000 It's a very good thing.

00:39:29.000 Which brings us back to this Younger Dry's impact theory, which is one of the predominant theories as to why ancient super advanced civilizations completely disappeared and there's no evidence of them.

00:39:41.000 And there's a lot of physical evidence.

00:39:43.000 When they do core samples of the Earth, they find there's a lot of iridium, which is very common in space but very rare on Earth, which indicates some sort of an impact.

00:39:52.000 And then they also find micro-diamonds.

00:39:54.000 These nuclear diamonds, I think they call it Trinitite.

00:39:58.000 And they first observed this when they did the Trinity explosion.

00:40:03.000 So the nuclear explosion created these micro-diamonds on the ground, just a massive impact, an explosion, heat, and energy.

00:40:10.000 Well, they find those littered all throughout the world in this same core sample timeline of like 11,800 years.

00:40:17.000 So they think we were just bombarded.

00:40:20.000 So a lot of these things, like these temples in India, perhaps the pyramids, some structures that were stone, probably just survived.

00:40:28.000 No, for sure.

00:40:29.000 There's so much that has survived, I think, from like a timeline we can't even explain.

00:40:36.000 I mean, in India, we see so much of it.

00:40:38.000 So many of our texts, the Vedas are, you know, the oldest texts in the world.

00:40:43.000 And to be able to, like, read stories which now maybe we imagine are stories, but are probably reality of a civilization gone by is just crazy to think about.

00:40:55.000 I think more likely than not.

00:40:57.000 Yeah.

00:40:58.000 And I think more and more over time, people are opening up to this possibility.

00:41:03.000 Like, they recently just found written language that is 28,000 years old.

00:41:11.000 And they thought that human written language was created about 6,000 years ago.

00:41:15.000 And they found evidence about this.

00:41:17.000 So they're like, okay, that's a giant difference.

00:41:21.000 But how can we also know what happened in so many parts of the Earth when, anyway, the Earth was moving, right?

00:41:27.000 Like the continents, what it looks like right now is not what it probably looked like 20,000 years ago.

00:41:33.000 Like it's been slowly moving.

00:41:37.000 I feel like, how are we supposed to know, like someone who writes a book, say, in Mexico, like what happened then in Australia or what happened?

00:41:47.000 What was the history in like India?

00:41:48.000 You know what I mean?

00:41:49.000 Right.

00:41:50.000 Especially 1500s, 1600s ago.

00:41:54.000 When they were writing about stuff back then, they were just making shit up.

00:41:56.000 So the shit that we read.

00:41:58.000 Human may have used these mysterious symbols to encode information tens of thousands of years before the first writing systems.

00:42:03.000 40,000-year-old artifacts.

00:42:09.000 Yeah.

00:42:10.000 So it's some kind of way of documenting things.

00:42:13.000 Communicating.

00:42:15.000 You know, if these people like Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson are correct, there was some sort of a very, very advanced civilization pre-11,800 years ago.

00:42:26.000 And this also coincides with the end of the ice age.

00:42:29.000 It coincides with all of the ice caps over North America disappearing.

00:42:33.000 Like North America was covered, like three-quarters of North America was covered like a mile-high sheet of ice.

00:42:38.000 Went away like that.

00:42:39.000 That's why the Great Lakes exist.

00:42:41.000 The Great Lakes are just that ice melted.

00:42:43.000 And then whatever was left just ran through the country.

00:42:47.000 And you can see the physical evidence of it when they show satellite images.

00:42:50.000 It looks like enormous amounts of water just destroyed the landscape and completely carved it and changed it.

00:42:56.000 What do you think happened with, and I wonder if you have, because you have so much extensive knowledge with the amazing guests that you have on the show, how did we go from Neanderthal or early man to this technology-driven, like really smart, intelligent, like what happened in history and the evolution of human beings that we were able to make that switch so quick?

00:43:23.000 It's a real good question.

00:43:24.000 There's a lot of, you know.

00:43:26.000 I mean, I've heard theories, but I want to know yours.

00:43:30.000 If I didn't worry at all about being ridiculous, and I don't, I would say.

00:43:36.000 You don't.

00:43:38.000 There was no need for that precursor.

00:43:41.000 But if I didn't worry about that, I would say something helped us.

00:43:45.000 That's what I think.

00:43:46.000 Yeah.

00:43:47.000 I don't think it makes sense that that didn't take place.

00:43:50.000 Yeah, it's crazy to think about how that happened and how quickly it happened.

00:43:55.000 Yeah, there's a lot of weird stuff with us.

00:43:58.000 Also, all those other primates are still around, except the early man ones.

00:44:02.000 You know, that's what's weird.

00:44:04.000 It's like, why aren't, you know, how come chimpanzees are kind of the same?

00:44:09.000 How come all these other primates are kind of the same?

00:44:12.000 And yet we need clothes to stay in the middle.

00:44:15.000 Yeah, like a mammoth to an elephant.

00:44:17.000 You know what I mean?

00:44:18.000 Yeah.

00:44:19.000 Like, still similar.

00:44:20.000 Yeah, it makes sense.

00:44:21.000 How do we have planes?

00:44:23.000 And why do we like things?

00:44:25.000 And how could we make cups?

00:44:27.000 Yeah, why do we change our environment that way?

00:44:30.000 Why do we have this insatiable desire to innovate?

00:44:34.000 Like, that's the number one thing that we're constantly making new and better things.

00:44:34.000 Insatiable.

00:44:39.000 Never satisfied with anything new.

00:44:41.000 Everything has to be better.

00:44:42.000 It doesn't matter how good your car is.

00:44:44.000 What's the next year's model going to be?

00:44:46.000 No matter what your phone does.

00:44:47.000 I want better pictures, bitch.

00:44:48.000 Like, no matter what.

00:44:50.000 It's like we want something to be better all the time.

00:44:53.000 We won up what we had.

00:44:56.000 I think it's built into us.

00:44:57.000 And I think that is a part of this process of becoming a human being.

00:45:03.000 And I think it's leading us to develop AI.

00:45:06.000 That's what I really think.

00:45:07.000 But I think we most likely, something intervened.

00:45:12.000 Now, there's a lot of people that think the rational people think that it was the invention of fire and the cooking of food that gave us better access to nutrition and protein.

00:45:22.000 And then innovating in order to hunt allowed the brain.

00:45:25.000 But it was such an accelerated period of time.

00:45:28.000 It went like so quickly.

00:45:29.000 The human brain size doubled over a period of two million years, which is the greatest mystery in the entire fossil record.

00:45:35.000 Yeah.

00:45:36.000 Like what made that happen?

00:45:38.000 We don't know.

00:45:39.000 But in religious texts, ancient religious texts, there's many stories of human beings breeding with something from somewhere else.

00:45:51.000 That's a part of it.

00:45:52.000 Alien intervention.

00:45:53.000 Yes.

00:45:54.000 Right.

00:45:54.000 Without trying to sound ridiculous.

00:45:56.000 super intelligent life form but if you think about it if i was watching a show about that and i was like that makes sense What was the show you were watching?

00:46:03.000 Do you remember?

00:46:04.000 Ancient Aliens.

00:46:09.000 That show's the best.

00:46:11.000 It's so silly.

00:46:12.000 It's amazing.

00:46:14.000 But I was at like two in the morning.

00:46:15.000 I'm like, oh.

00:46:16.000 My friend Action Bronson, he used to do a show.

00:46:18.000 He doesn't do that show anymore, does he?

00:46:20.000 They would get super baked and watch Ancient Aliens and be like, bro.

00:46:25.000 Listen, Ancient Aliens is rad.

00:46:28.000 I love that show.

00:46:29.000 Two in the morning.

00:46:30.000 It's very fun.

00:46:30.000 Oh, it's fun.

00:46:31.000 I think they're right about some of those things.

00:46:35.000 I think there's something to it.

00:46:37.000 I mean, that is one of the oldest biblical texts that wasn't included in the canon that is the Bible is the Book of Enoch.

00:46:46.000 And I had Anna Paulina Luna on the podcast, and she brought that up.

00:46:51.000 And she was like, you really should read that.

00:46:53.000 So I read it and you start reading, you're like, wait, what the hell are they talking about?

00:46:58.000 The Watchers came down from the sky to mate with humans and created the Nephilim, a race of giants that destroyed the earth?

00:47:07.000 You're like, what are you talking about?

00:47:09.000 Like, what is this?

00:47:10.000 This is in the Bible, and it would have been in the Bible if it not for a few rabbis that decided this doesn't jive with the Torah.

00:47:17.000 And so they say, we've got to get that out of there.

00:47:18.000 And that's why it's not taught along with the book of Ezekiel and all these other things that are in the Old Testament.

00:47:24.000 Versus like in Hindu mythology, also, you know, we read about a time where God, human, and demon existed at the same time and procreated and like created different realms and life and stories.

00:47:24.000 Wow.

00:47:41.000 And so it's like when you think about stories like that, stories, beliefs, you know, from around the world that have similar sort of color, it's almost like trying to connect the dots of what must have happened at that time, you know, all around the world.

00:48:01.000 It's probably the same thing.

00:48:03.000 You know, some sort of incredible technology.

00:48:06.000 Yeah.

00:48:07.000 And some, and a lot of them have these stories of something of some kind of higher nature, higher power, higher technology intervening in the lives of human beings and even manipulating the process.

00:48:25.000 Yeah, but isn't that what I think was referred to as the gods?

00:48:29.000 Like if you think about the Roman, you know, or Egyptian gods.

00:48:29.000 Yeah.

00:48:34.000 I don't want to speak about culture, but I can't even say about ours, but that power that we read about, you know, that like if you if you go into it, I'm a big believer.

00:48:47.000 So I think that, you know, was that like a real experience that happened to a human being at that time?

00:48:55.000 A real experience with someone that had a limited vocabulary, a limited amount of knowledge, and a limited ability to write things down.

00:49:01.000 And so they probably told these stories from whatever words they could use to describe what this was.

00:49:08.000 Like if you were living 30,000 years ago, 40,000 years ago, and a UFO landed, a giant metallic disc landed, and little tiny creatures came out and talked to you telepathically.

00:49:21.000 You don't have a written language.

00:49:23.000 You don't, your culture is hunter-gatherers.

00:49:25.000 Like, how do you tell that story?

00:49:27.000 How do you tell that story?

00:49:28.000 And what are the people that you told that story to going to tell their children and their grandchildren for many, many, many, many generations before anybody figures out how to write things down?

00:49:37.000 Totally.

00:49:38.000 But now the perspective on this which people have is, is that our pragmatic, practical 2026 human trying to explain something that was magical and did exist at a time that we don't have an explanation for.

00:49:56.000 Yeah.

00:49:56.000 You know what I mean?

00:49:57.000 For sure.

00:49:58.000 Like there's the other side of that with people that, you know, you hear so many stories of visitations from the gods back then, you know, to humans and the divinity of, at least in my country for sure, of different avatars of gods coming down to earth to save humankind and to help in human salvation and to help them against evil.

00:50:24.000 So when you hear of those stories, like the practical side of me will be like, are those human stories and who is that power that they were seeing at that time?

00:50:33.000 And then there's a side of you which is like, there's so much we can't explain and sometimes have to like leave it to inexplicable magic of the universe.

00:50:44.000 Like I'm someone who loves science, but I also am a believer of that just can't explain everything.

00:50:52.000 Well, even science itself, like hardcore materialist science.

00:50:58.000 If you're trying to explain the Big Bang, good fucking luck.

00:50:58.000 Totally.

00:51:02.000 Good fucking luck making sense out of something smaller than the head of a pin that became everything that's in the universe.

00:51:08.000 Okay.

00:51:09.000 Like explain that to me.

00:51:11.000 Help me out.

00:51:13.000 Totally.

00:51:14.000 I mean, it's all theoretical and speculative and no one really knows.

00:51:19.000 And then there's this concept of what took place before the Big Bang.

00:51:23.000 And then there's Sir Roger Penrose's version of it, which has been many versions of the Big Bang, expansion, then contraction, and that it's not the beginning, that it's part of an endless cycle.

00:51:33.000 That's what I've, I mean, I've heard from in India as well, the believer belief that that was not kind of the beginning.

00:51:39.000 There's been many beginnings and many ends that we have no idea of.

00:51:44.000 That makes more sense to me.

00:51:45.000 It makes more sense.

00:51:46.000 Because I think the problem with a beginning, we're like, well, what was here originally?

00:51:51.000 We always want to think of things in terms of our own biological limitations.

00:51:54.000 We have a birth and we have a death.

00:51:55.000 So we think that the universe probably is.

00:51:57.000 Everything has a limitation.

00:51:58.000 The why, it's there.

00:52:00.000 Like time.

00:52:01.000 What is time's limitation?

00:52:03.000 It's existed from who knows when.

00:52:05.000 It's constant.

00:52:06.000 It's never not been here.

00:52:08.000 Yeah.

00:52:09.000 So the idea that there was nothing before the universe, well, that doesn't even make sense.

00:52:13.000 It's funny when I was doing research for The Bluff, this movie, I went to the Cayman Islands for a couple of days to get an understanding of the history of the islands.

00:52:24.000 And the Caribbean is so interesting, especially Cayman, because it's in the middle of these trading routes between Honduras, Cuba, Mexico.

00:52:33.000 Ships, when trading started, is when the Cayman was discovered.

00:52:38.000 The islands were discovered.

00:52:39.000 So when I went down there, I went to the museum and they said, yeah, it was like the 1700s or 1800s when the first settlers came.

00:52:46.000 And, you know, it started with family or like people trying to run away or pirates or just people making pit stops before going to another country.

00:52:57.000 And they said that that was the first time that there was any history of the island.

00:53:01.000 And I was like, how's that possible?

00:53:03.000 That only when like settlers found that place and now, I mean, Cayman Islands, Cayman Islands.

00:53:10.000 Right.

00:53:11.000 But how, like, if you think about there's so many places in the world where people and humans have existed way before we even have an understanding of or are willing to acknowledge, you know, in many cultures, it's different.

00:53:26.000 Yeah.

00:53:27.000 But we just lost the history of it.

00:53:29.000 That's possible, too.

00:53:31.000 That's what my argument was.

00:53:32.000 I was like, you know, like, we have to have lost the history of what happened prior.

00:53:38.000 There's an entire culture from South America that we don't know who they were, the Olmecs.

00:53:43.000 We have some giant carved heads, and we're like, oh, who did that?

00:53:49.000 They think they're thousands and thousands of years old.

00:53:52.000 They look African.

00:53:54.000 It's very strange.

00:53:55.000 Have you ever seen Olmec heads?

00:53:57.000 Oh, here.

00:53:58.000 They look like this.

00:53:59.000 That's an Olmec head.

00:54:00.000 Like, how nuts is that?

00:54:02.000 Like, that's a replica of these enormous heads that are in, I think, is it Peru?

00:54:08.000 Luke Caverns, who's been on the podcast, he's a really fascinating guy who does a lot of research down there.

00:54:17.000 He's been there and documented, and he's like, they don't know who these people were.

00:54:21.000 They don't know what their language was.

00:54:23.000 They don't even know what they look like except for these images.

00:54:26.000 And they don't even know if these images are supposed to be of them, like these statues.

00:54:30.000 They just found, see if you can find some of these heads so you can see like the scale.

00:54:36.000 That's so crazy.

00:54:37.000 So they left these enormous stone heads they attributed to this one civilization that they call the Olmecs.

00:54:43.000 They just made a name up.

00:54:44.000 But they don't know who the hell these people were.

00:54:46.000 And look at their faces.

00:54:48.000 Like that's crazy.

00:54:51.000 That's huge.

00:54:52.000 Yeah.

00:54:53.000 And do you know how old these might be?

00:54:55.000 They don't really know, but I think how many thousands of years old do they think they are, Jamie?

00:55:03.000 Crazy stuff.

00:55:05.000 Yeah.

00:55:06.000 So at least 900 BC.

00:55:10.000 But, you know, what does that mean?

00:55:11.000 Yeah.

00:55:12.000 That's a guess.

00:55:13.000 That's a guess.

00:55:14.000 Because they don't know.

00:55:15.000 A long time ago.

00:55:17.000 Well, even the Aztecs.

00:55:18.000 Do you know the Aztecs didn't build those temples?

00:55:21.000 They found them.

00:55:23.000 The Aztecs found that the Aztec temples?

00:55:26.000 They found them from an unknown previous civilization.

00:55:29.000 Oh, my God.

00:55:30.000 They call those temples the place where the gods were born.

00:55:34.000 Yeah.

00:55:34.000 That's what they call them.

00:55:36.000 And they just kind of like cleaned it up.

00:55:38.000 Which kind of makes sense because you think of like how barbaric the Aztecs were.

00:55:42.000 Like they did some horrific shit.

00:55:44.000 Like we were talking about one of the temples.

00:55:47.000 I think it was Tenochetlan.

00:55:48.000 When they consecrated it, they killed between 20 and 80,000 people.

00:55:56.000 They sacrificed them in a period of four days.

00:55:59.000 And so this is like right when the Spanish were first visiting Mexico, thinking about taking over.

00:56:04.000 And this guy Diaz, this Spanish chronicler, said it was the fucking craziest thing.

00:56:10.000 They killed 80,000 people, he said, over a period of four days.

00:56:13.000 Just cut their hearts out and threw their bodies down the stairs.

00:56:16.000 Like nuts.

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00:56:56.000 Like, so these are the people that.

00:56:57.000 Yeah, you think about like how countries were like conquests happen and like, you know, we're living in the history of so many people's blood and sacrifices.

00:57:11.000 And violence.

00:57:12.000 And so much violence.

00:57:13.000 Unfathomable amounts of violence.

00:57:16.000 So capable of that kind of violence.

00:57:19.000 Having done a really violent movie right now.

00:57:21.000 Because chimps.

00:57:22.000 Because we're mostly chimp.

00:57:24.000 And I think if you pay attention to chimps, chimp behavior.

00:57:28.000 Chimp Nation on Netflix.

00:57:30.000 No, I haven't.

00:57:30.000 It's fancy.

00:57:32.000 Yeah.

00:57:32.000 Fantastic.

00:57:33.000 It's just spectacular because it is a rare, very rare situation where this one particular group of chimpanzees, they were embedded with these scientists for 20 years.

00:57:44.000 So the scientists had very specific rules.

00:57:46.000 Don't get within 20 yards of them.

00:57:48.000 Don't make eye contact with them.

00:57:49.000 Don't have any food with you.

00:57:50.000 Okay.

00:57:51.000 And don't interfere.

00:57:53.000 And they're totally accustomed to having people around them.

00:57:56.000 So they behave totally naturally.

00:57:58.000 And so they wage war.

00:57:59.000 They have all these crazy social dynamics.

00:58:01.000 So they behave like they would in the wild because they're used to these humans.

00:58:05.000 Exactly.

00:58:06.000 And when you watch it, you're like, oh my God, they are a lot like us.

00:58:10.000 They're a lot like us.

00:58:11.000 Just like very primitive, no language, but ultra-violent.

00:58:18.000 Chimps are ultra-violent.

00:58:20.000 I mean, one of their favorite foods, this guy was telling me, was monkeys.

00:58:23.000 They just love eating monkeys.

00:58:24.000 He goes, we saw them kill so many monkeys, we couldn't even document it.

00:58:28.000 Because if it would just be like every day was like a monkey hunt, they would tear these monkeys apart and eat them alive.

00:58:34.000 It's a horrific that's our ancestors.

00:58:37.000 So what we are is a combination.

00:58:39.000 Like if you can.

00:58:40.000 Well, that explains it.

00:58:41.000 Yeah, it explains it.

00:58:43.000 We're a combination of some higher intelligence that interbred with a savage primate that's curious and created this weird hybrid, this weird thing.

00:58:53.000 Listen, that's what ancient aliens told me.

00:58:55.000 Yeah.

00:58:56.000 And I believe it.

00:58:57.000 I think they're right.

00:58:58.000 They're right about that.

00:59:00.000 Have you ever seen Chariots of the Gods?

00:59:02.000 No.

00:59:02.000 That's the original one.

00:59:03.000 Eric von Daniken.

00:59:04.000 That was in like the 1970s.

00:59:06.000 It was a movie, like a feature movie.

00:59:09.000 I mean, I remember the movie, but I don't remember anything.

00:59:12.000 Yeah.

00:59:12.000 I had lunch with him once and got a chance to question him about stuff.

00:59:16.000 He's like a true believer.

00:59:18.000 Yeah, like a true believer.

00:59:19.000 What are his belief?

00:59:20.000 Well, he believes that everything is from aliens, that aliens came down and aliens taught people how to do things and aliens built all these things.

00:59:27.000 And I'm more in line of they intervened and created what we think of now as humans.

00:59:36.000 And then humans figured out a different path of technology than we're on today.

00:59:41.000 That we are on the path of internal combustion engines, electronics, electricity.

00:59:46.000 And they were probably on some different path of technology, but as far down the path, if not more.

00:59:54.000 And I think they probably had figured out some things that we have yet to figure out, including like the trans the transferring and the moving and shipping of enormous stone blocks without heavy machinery.

01:00:09.000 Like we don't know what they were doing.

01:00:13.000 Yeah, what did they know?

01:00:14.000 How did they cut them?

01:00:16.000 Like, what are they, what are they, what, if those structures that Filippo Biondi describes underneath, if that's real, like, what was the pyramid then?

01:00:24.000 Was it a machine?

01:00:25.000 Yeah, how did they do, like, first they created the structure?

01:00:28.000 Like, imagine the foundation and the design that went into it.

01:00:33.000 A half a mile deep into the earth.

01:00:36.000 Crazy.

01:00:36.000 Like, what is that?

01:00:37.000 What are you doing?

01:00:38.000 Because I'm saying, I don't know if I like, I just know that we can't explain that quick evolution of humans from Neanderthal to be highly intelligent.

01:00:52.000 Yeah.

01:00:52.000 Yes, we can't.

01:00:53.000 I mean, there's just a lot of people saying, well, we haven't filled in the gaps yet.

01:00:56.000 Yeah.

01:00:56.000 We don't really know.

01:00:57.000 But the acceleration of the evolution is so spectacular.

01:01:01.000 Like, vegans are hilarious.

01:01:02.000 They attribute it to people eating tubers.

01:01:04.000 I had a conversation with a guy.

01:01:05.000 He's like, we're thinking it's probably tubers.

01:01:07.000 Roots?

01:01:07.000 Like, what?

01:01:08.000 You mean like bears eat?

01:01:09.000 Shut the fuck up.

01:01:10.000 That is the dumbest explanation.

01:01:12.000 That didn't even make any sense.

01:01:13.000 I'm vegan.

01:01:14.000 Are you really?

01:01:14.000 No, I'm joking.

01:01:15.000 Congratulations.

01:01:17.000 No, no.

01:01:17.000 There's no way you can.

01:01:19.000 No, I just had barbecue.

01:01:19.000 You already fall asleep.

01:01:21.000 For breakfast, I had briskets.

01:01:23.000 I was like, I'm here in Austin for two hours.

01:01:25.000 Yeah, you have to have barbecue if you come here.

01:01:27.000 Yeah.

01:01:29.000 I just think that whatever happened, we don't know.

01:01:33.000 And I would not rule out intervention.

01:01:37.000 And I wouldn't think that an intelligent species from somewhere else, if they did find these very curious primates that may already be working with sticks and rocks and stuff like that, that they wouldn't intervene because we do it.

01:01:48.000 We're doing it right now.

01:01:50.000 We're doing it right now with that.

01:01:51.000 It's human nature to do it.

01:01:53.000 If we went to a planet somewhere and we found some fucking frogs or some weird animals, but nothing big, we might drop a deer off in there and see what happens.

01:02:03.000 You know, we might bring some birds in.

01:02:05.000 Look, this is a lot of fun.

01:02:06.000 Humans definitely would.

01:02:07.000 We would intervene.

01:02:08.000 They're doing genetic manipulation of animals right now to bring back extinct life.

01:02:13.000 That's how they brought back the dire wolf.

01:02:16.000 This company called Colossal, Colossal Biowars.

01:02:19.000 I saw it.

01:02:20.000 I touched it.

01:02:21.000 I went to.

01:02:22.000 Yes.

01:02:23.000 I went to the place where they're holding these wolves, and I got to, me and my daughter got to cuddle with a baby dire wolf.

01:02:32.000 They had two semi-adults at the time.

01:02:34.000 I think they were like eight or nine months old.

01:02:36.000 And they've been extinct since when?

01:02:38.000 10,000 years?

01:02:40.000 Stop it.

01:02:41.000 Yeah.

01:02:42.000 Somewhere in the range of that.

01:02:43.000 I mean, yeah.

01:02:45.000 When did dire wolves go extinct?

01:02:47.000 I think they were part of the megafauna that went extinct during the impact because 65% of all megafauna on Earth, and particularly in North America, went extinct around the same time.

01:02:59.000 Woolly mammoths.

01:03:00.000 Do we know why?

01:03:02.000 Around the same time.

01:03:03.000 There's a lot of hypothesis.

01:03:03.000 Was there something that happened then?

01:03:05.000 The rational people, not me, but the rational people think it was the berserker theory, which means that human beings killed so many mammoths that we wiped them out to extinction.

01:03:16.000 This is with adult adults.

01:03:16.000 Unbelievable.

01:03:18.000 It doesn't make total sense.

01:03:20.000 It's like, how did you get?

01:03:21.000 There's not even that many people.

01:03:22.000 How'd you do that?

01:03:23.000 Yeah.

01:03:24.000 And then there's also stuff like the American lion, which was bigger than the African lion.

01:03:28.000 How did we kill that off with a fucking stick?

01:03:30.000 Like, shut the fuck up.

01:03:31.000 Something had to have happened.

01:03:34.000 Well, they've got mass grave sites of mammoths where there's like hundreds of them dead, all in one place that seemed to have died at the same time.

01:03:42.000 Not only that, some of them have broken legs.

01:03:44.000 It seems to impact some, it seems to impact.

01:03:46.000 So it had to have been like some asteroid or something that created that kind of impact immediately.

01:03:53.000 But 65% of all North American megafauna died at the same time.

01:03:58.000 That's so crazy.

01:03:58.000 Yeah, within the time period.

01:04:00.000 And they think the Younger Dryas Impact Theory people think like this is not a coincidence that this coincides with the end of the ice age and also coincides with where the core samples are.

01:04:12.000 Too many coincidences.

01:04:13.000 Yeah.

01:04:14.000 And also coincides with the fact that these animals were all here at one point in time.

01:04:21.000 They all got wiped out except a very few.

01:04:23.000 There's only a few left.

01:04:24.000 Like there's the pronghorn antelope, which is a really weird one.

01:04:28.000 It's this prehistoric antelope that lives in North America, and it's different than every other animal here because it's evolved to get away from cheetahs.

01:04:37.000 Because we used to have cheetahs in North America, so it can run like 55 miles.

01:04:42.000 Fucking books.

01:04:43.000 I've seen them in real life.

01:04:43.000 Wow.

01:04:44.000 They're really weird looking.

01:04:45.000 They look prehistoric.

01:04:47.000 But can run.

01:04:48.000 They fly.

01:04:49.000 That's what it looks like.

01:04:50.000 See, if you can get a look at its face, when you see it head-on, they're so strange.

01:04:54.000 Like their eyeballs are on the sides of their heads because something was coming at them like, you know, 55 miles an hour at full clip.

01:05:01.000 And so they're really, really alert and they have incredible vision.

01:05:07.000 Wow.

01:05:07.000 And that's a leftover animal.

01:05:09.000 That's a leftover animal from a time where they were being preyed upon by something that doesn't exist anymore.

01:05:15.000 And that something was wiped out along with the American lion, a bigger lion than the African lion.

01:05:22.000 Lived right here.

01:05:23.000 It's huge.

01:05:24.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

01:05:25.000 I was filming in Africa recently in Kenya, and we, for this Indian movie I'm doing called Varanasi, and we shot with wildebeests and like, as in like in the middle of them, I was in me and my co-actor Mahesh were in the middle of these wildebeests that were all around us while they were migrating.

01:05:45.000 It's like the coolest thing I've ever seen.

01:05:47.000 But when you see their faces and for how many years versions of them have existed, you know, you feel the gravity when you see these animals in the wild.

01:06:00.000 Yeah.

01:06:00.000 It's crazy.

01:06:01.000 It's so much different than a zoo, right?

01:06:03.000 Oh, completely.

01:06:04.000 Because you're like, oh, they've always been here like this.

01:06:06.000 Yeah, this is their home.

01:06:07.000 This is what they do.

01:06:08.000 We're in it.

01:06:09.000 You feel a sense of like, stay in your Jeep.

01:06:12.000 Well, I think we're numb to it because we watch it on film.

01:06:15.000 And so that we get sort of desensitized and normalized to this idea of wildlife.

01:06:20.000 Oh, there's the lion sneaking up on the wildebeest.

01:06:22.000 How cool.

01:06:23.000 But when you're there and you see a lion, you see a wildebeest, like, this is fucking crazy.

01:06:28.000 Like, this is all day long, every day, these life forms competing to try to exist in some way.

01:06:33.000 That's it.

01:06:33.000 To survive.

01:06:34.000 It's like this weird balance where all of them.

01:06:37.000 They still exist.

01:06:38.000 There'll be wildebeests right there, and there'll be a lion right here who's eaten.

01:06:42.000 So they're hanging out together.

01:06:43.000 The wildebeest knows that he's eaten.

01:06:45.000 He's not coming after us.

01:06:46.000 And they exist.

01:06:47.000 But at the same time, during hunting season, you see the hunt happen.

01:06:53.000 And I saw a hunt happen.

01:06:55.000 And that's crazy that that's their life.

01:06:58.000 Yeah.

01:06:58.000 Saliva.

01:06:59.000 With their face.

01:07:00.000 They kill things with their face.

01:07:01.000 Yeah.

01:07:02.000 Like, literally, there's a really extraordinary island in Africa where the river changed courses and it left this one pack of lions on this one island that only has water buffalo on it.

01:07:17.000 And so these lions became enormous.

01:07:20.000 And the female lions are as big as male lions everywhere else, and the male lions are way bigger than they are anywhere else.

01:07:26.000 I think there's the documentaries, I think it's called Relentless Enemies, but it's so because they look like these jacked bodybuilder lions.

01:07:33.000 Those water buffaloes are huge and high.

01:07:36.000 I had one staring at me, like we were in Kenya.

01:07:39.000 Like the video village is sitting, we're filming, and it's far away, but it just turned his head and just looked at me and then just kept looking at me.

01:07:47.000 And I swear I had to like get up and get out of its view because it just kept staring.

01:07:53.000 I was like, it's coming at me.

01:07:55.000 They will come at you.

01:07:56.000 They kill people.

01:07:56.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:07:57.000 The rangers told us.

01:07:58.000 They were like, I think he's engaged with you, maybe.

01:08:02.000 Get into your car.

01:08:02.000 Maybe get out of here.

01:08:05.000 Yeah, there's that poor lady from, she was a video editor on the Game of Thrones, and she went to do a safari there.

01:08:11.000 And one of the lions pulled her out of her car.

01:08:15.000 Out of her car?

01:08:16.000 Yeah, she rolled the window down.

01:08:18.000 Or someone rolled the window down and a female lion just snatched her out of the car and killed her.

01:08:24.000 Oh, my God.

01:08:25.000 Yeah.

01:08:26.000 You have to listen to your rangers when you're in these situations.

01:08:30.000 Exactly.

01:08:31.000 The main thing is she wanted a better picture or something.

01:08:31.000 Yeah.

01:08:34.000 Yeah, that's the shit that gets people into trouble.

01:08:34.000 I don't know.

01:08:36.000 Oh, yeah.

01:08:37.000 Like, there was this, one of our rangers was telling us a story that they have, we were in Maasai Mara and they were like, they have open jeeps and, you know, you have food that they keep really hidden so that the animals can't smell it under your seats and stuff.

01:08:51.000 And he was telling a story about this influencer.

01:08:54.000 He's driving and there's a pack of lions.

01:08:57.000 Lions just eaten, so he's sleeping.

01:09:00.000 And this influencer who puts his hand outside to try and touch the lion's head and got it on video and survived to tell the story.

01:09:09.000 And then he was banned and then the ranger was like fired from his job and all of that happened.

01:09:14.000 But for the image, he was a fucking idiot.

01:09:17.000 All for the Graham.

01:09:19.000 Oh my gosh, that was crazy.

01:09:21.000 Yeah.

01:09:21.000 I mean, I mean, I don't want anything bad to happen to anybody, but when someone does something like that and does get killed, it's probably better educationally for the human race.

01:09:34.000 But is it though?

01:09:35.000 Or are we really learning from other people and their examples?

01:09:38.000 Some people aren't learning shit.

01:09:40.000 Nobody's learning shit.

01:09:43.000 We're just trying to put the best versions of ourselves on the ground.

01:09:46.000 Like, that's what the...

01:09:47.000 Yeah.

01:09:47.000 That's what's happening right now.

01:09:49.000 Whether it's true or not.

01:09:50.000 Yeah.

01:09:52.000 But are we learning?

01:09:53.000 Yeah, it's a good question.

01:09:54.000 I mean, I think we are also so desensitized to there's so much information that comes your way and misinformation now.

01:09:54.000 I don't know.

01:10:00.000 We're being able to discern what's real and what's not now, that's hard as well.

01:10:05.000 Oh, it's harder than it's ever been.

01:10:07.000 Totally.

01:10:08.000 And then if you do watch something and you're like, I'm going to implement in my life, we do it for a very short duration.

01:10:14.000 Very few of us follow through with that, right?

01:10:16.000 Like you're watching a reel or somebody says something and you're like, that's really cool.

01:10:21.000 Are we going to pull on that thread and follow through and do something about it or learn from it?

01:10:27.000 I don't know.

01:10:28.000 I feel like we've lost a lot of that space where we had the time or the desire to want to, you know, fulfill ourselves versus just that with so much coming at you.

01:10:44.000 I think collectively as a society, I think we learn and then we forget and then we have to relearn again.

01:10:49.000 Yeah.

01:10:50.000 You know, that's that's the attention span now where, you know, I remember when I was growing up, like just having the languidity of time, right?

01:11:01.000 In a, in a, in a very different way.

01:11:02.000 And this is like, say, 30 years ago, 30, 35 years ago, of, you know, reading a book, music playing, hanging out with your parents or your friends without being rushed.

01:11:17.000 Just rushed.

01:11:18.000 You know, I don't remember feeling as rushed as I do now in the last 20 years when I was growing up.

01:11:26.000 Like there was time for stuff.

01:11:28.000 Yeah.

01:11:29.000 Well, certainly the internet has accelerated that.

01:11:34.000 You know, and certainly people's attention spans are at least pulled in the direction of short attention span content.

01:11:42.000 But at the same time, podcasts have emerged, which is interesting.

01:11:46.000 It's so interesting.

01:11:47.000 Like, I was talking about this to a friend of mine.

01:11:49.000 Like, people who have no time or interest in wanting to commit to, like, say, a movie will watch or listen to like a podcast for two or three hours.

01:12:00.000 And for someone like me, who, you know, like I've been an actor for most of my life, my interface with people would be, you know, an interview.

01:12:09.000 Say, for example, people who knew me or audiences that wanted to know about me would be an interview where, you know, the highlights are really what you read.

01:12:18.000 The clickbait lines are really what you read.

01:12:20.000 And you form a relationship with whoever this public person is based on those few lines versus this format where you're just chatting for a few hours and you have the ability to really be yourself and be seen as yourself, which is why I think people really love podcasts.

01:12:39.000 Well, I think it's much more illuminating in terms of if you want to find out who a person really is.

01:12:44.000 Because you can't really hide for three hours.

01:12:46.000 Like that's who you are.

01:12:48.000 And I think for most people, that's scary.

01:12:52.000 Right.

01:12:52.000 And so what they like about those fake shows, like good morning, America, or whatever it is.

01:12:58.000 Like you're sitting down, you know, the guy's got a piece of paper, so he's got a few questions he's going to ask you, and they're all going to be like very surface, very jovial.

01:12:58.000 You know what I mean?

01:13:06.000 What's it like to be married?

01:13:08.000 You know, what's it like to do this?

01:13:09.000 What's it like to do that?

01:13:10.000 So you had a baby.

01:13:11.000 Congratulations.

01:13:12.000 And then you're out of there.

01:13:12.000 That kind of shit.

01:13:14.000 It's 10 minutes and you're like, oh, that went well.

01:13:16.000 And then nobody knows anything about you.

01:13:18.000 It's true that you're just basically known by the top four questions that everybody asks you.

01:13:23.000 So it's like the same four questions that everybody asks.

01:13:26.000 Right.

01:13:27.000 What was it like to work with this person?

01:13:29.000 What was she like in person?

01:13:30.000 What was he like?

01:13:31.000 For me, mostly it's like a lot about my family.

01:13:35.000 It's like that, my identity starts there.

01:13:37.000 And then everything else comes after.

01:13:40.000 Well, you're fascinating in that you've done movies in two different cultures.

01:13:45.000 So like I wanted to ask you about that.

01:13:46.000 Like what is the Bollywood scene like?

01:13:49.000 Because I wasn't even aware of it until like 20 years ago.

01:13:52.000 I didn't know that Bollywood is like this enormous, like the amount of films that are produced in India is kind of crazy.

01:14:00.000 Yeah.

01:14:01.000 It's a big business.

01:14:02.000 Huge.

01:14:03.000 100 and something years of Indian cinema just recently.

01:14:03.000 Huge.

01:14:07.000 So a very, very old industry.

01:14:10.000 We started with silent movies and have worked our way now to, and that's not just Bollywood.

01:14:16.000 I'll break that down in a second.

01:14:17.000 Because India is so diverse and we have so many different languages.

01:14:20.000 Again, excuse me, I didn't know the exact number, but we have local industries that make movies in those languages.

01:14:30.000 So Bollywood is Bombay.

01:14:34.000 It comes from Bombay.

01:14:35.000 I think that's why it was coined that name from Hollywood, but the Bombay movie industry, again, it was not us that did that.

01:14:42.000 It was a name that was given to us.

01:14:43.000 I don't know by who.

01:14:44.000 But Bollywood is the Hindi language industry which exists in Mumbai, which is like LA.

01:14:50.000 It's huge.

01:14:52.000 We make thousands and thousands of movies.

01:14:54.000 But then there's also Telugu, Tamil, Punjabi, Malayalam, Marathi, Bhojpuri.

01:15:01.000 These are all robust industries that are localized within every state that also exists.

01:15:07.000 So cumulatively, we make thousands and thousands of movies a year, but it's catered to very, very different audiences within the diversity of India.

01:15:16.000 Wow.

01:15:18.000 And how many people have come from India like you and become stars in Western movies?

01:15:24.000 I think there have been a few before me, you know, that have done that.

01:15:27.000 That's the first one I heard of.

01:15:29.000 So no one's made it to me yet.

01:15:32.000 Well, thank you.

01:15:34.000 Yes, I think that it's been few and far in between.

01:15:37.000 I think America is a really hard country to break into, to be relevant in.

01:15:43.000 It's tough.

01:15:44.000 And also, I think Hollywood controls a large part of the global entertainment business.

01:15:51.000 So as an actor from anywhere in the world, if you want to break into the English language, global entertainment, Hollywood system, it's not easy to do that.

01:16:03.000 You know, culturally it's different, language is different, jokes are different.

01:16:09.000 So that's a tough transition, but it's also like, for me, I really, I went to high school.

01:16:16.000 Oh, by the way, you went to Newton and I went to Newton too.

01:16:19.000 Did you really?

01:16:19.000 I went to Newton North.

01:16:20.000 You went to Newton South.

01:16:21.000 Yeah.

01:16:22.000 That's funny.

01:16:23.000 That's crazy.

01:16:24.000 Yeah, so I was in high school in the States, and I, you know, so it wasn't like alien to me.

01:16:30.000 It's not like I was in India and I was like, I want to go to America and start working there.

01:16:36.000 I really wanted to see what it would be like if I came down here.

01:16:40.000 Would there be an opportunity for someone like me to, you know, be able to create an impact?

01:16:48.000 Many years later, I feel like, you know, I'm on my way there.

01:16:52.000 But there have been so many actors whose shoulders I've stood on.

01:16:55.000 So Indian, like Indian casting in English language entertainment, whether it was Hollywood or you know, British entertainment, wherever, was usually by us seen as you know, a diversity check.

01:17:09.000 So it was mostly a stereotypical actor or a stereotypical character with an actor having to speak in the accent or having to like do the be a little bit more Indian.

01:17:19.000 What does that even mean?

01:17:21.000 Did someone tell you that?

01:17:22.000 I was told in an audition, I think we needed the character to be a little bit more Indian.

01:17:27.000 And I just didn't even understand why.

01:17:30.000 There's so many versions of that, but I think what this person meant was have a little bit more of the accent.

01:17:37.000 Be the character.

01:17:38.000 Yeah, be the character.

01:17:40.000 Which was really tough to break out of.

01:17:42.000 So, you know, at a time when it was only that work that existed in Hollywood, like those are the actors whose shoulders I stand on.

01:17:49.000 Like those were the ones that went in and did that work because that was all that was available and tried to break through, especially from India, for example.

01:18:00.000 Aishwari Rai, Amitabhan, Irfan Khan.

01:18:04.000 They've been actors that have come in, done work, and left an amazing mark.

01:18:09.000 But I moved here.

01:18:10.000 I live here now.

01:18:13.000 And I'm consistently working here.

01:18:15.000 I think that also may have been a part of why you've heard of me.

01:18:20.000 Yes, I'm sure.

01:18:21.000 Well, I've seen you interviewed too, which is why I thought you were interesting.

01:18:25.000 I appreciate that.

01:18:25.000 Thank you.

01:18:28.000 I think you're very interesting.

01:18:29.000 I think your knowledge of the world is fascinating to me.

01:18:33.000 Well, it's all accidental.

01:18:36.000 Cool.

01:18:37.000 How cool is that?

01:18:38.000 Yeah.

01:18:38.000 It's cool.

01:18:39.000 That's amazing.

01:18:40.000 I started this thing out with my friend Brian and a laptop.

01:18:44.000 We were just talking shit.

01:18:46.000 We just thought it'd be fun to do a little internet.

01:18:49.000 Wow, how inspiring.

01:18:51.000 And that was 16 years ago.

01:18:53.000 You're someone who's pivoted your career so many times, too, though.

01:18:57.000 Sort of, but it's all the same thing in that I've only just done things I'm interested in.

01:19:02.000 Yeah.

01:19:03.000 Other than Fear Factor.

01:19:04.000 That was just a job.

01:19:05.000 You know, I also hosted Fear Factor.

01:19:07.000 Did you?

01:19:07.000 No.

01:19:08.000 Shut up.

01:19:09.000 For one year.

01:19:09.000 Really?

01:19:10.000 Where?

01:19:10.000 I did.

01:19:11.000 In Brazil.

01:19:12.000 Shut the fuck up.

01:19:12.000 In India.

01:19:13.000 Fear Factor.

01:19:15.000 And we shot it in Brazil in Rio.

01:19:17.000 Wow.

01:19:19.000 That's not random things in common.

01:19:22.000 That is crazy.

01:19:23.000 That's a crazy thing in common.

01:19:24.000 I need to see that.

01:19:25.000 Let me see that.

01:19:26.000 Find a clip.

01:19:27.000 This is hilarious.

01:19:28.000 What language did you do it in?

01:19:30.000 Hindi.

01:19:30.000 Wow.

01:19:31.000 And it was in Rio, huh?

01:19:33.000 We shot it in Rio.

01:19:34.000 We had a big budget that year.

01:19:38.000 So we were all flown out.

01:19:39.000 So it's Fear Factor India.

01:19:40.000 I wonder how many versions of Fear Factor there were.

01:19:42.000 I mean, they're all over the world.

01:19:45.000 Fear Factor used to exist all over.

01:19:45.000 Yeah.

01:19:45.000 Really?

01:19:47.000 I don't know anymore, but once I stopped doing it, I stopped paying attention.

01:19:51.000 I was like, I'm out.

01:19:53.000 I knew Ludacris took it over at one point in time, and now Johnny Knoxville's doing it.

01:19:57.000 That's all I knew.

01:19:58.000 I had no idea that there was a bunch of different versions of it.

01:20:02.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:20:03.000 You know, it originally came from a Holland show called Now or Neverland.

01:20:07.000 It's a crazy show.

01:20:08.000 Yeah.

01:20:09.000 It was, it was, it was way more simple.

01:20:12.000 And then when it got brought to America, they decided to call it Fear Factor.

01:20:15.000 The whole eating thing, we didn't take that back to India.

01:20:19.000 Yeah, we didn't do the eating.

01:20:19.000 Really?

01:20:21.000 Like, because you know, you never know people are vegetarian.

01:20:23.000 In India, it's a big part of our culture.

01:20:26.000 Right.

01:20:26.000 But a lot of people religiously are vegetarian or not.

01:20:30.000 I think maybe that's the reason, but there was not a lot of like eat the worms and stuff, which I was very grateful for.

01:20:36.000 It was a lot more, you know, a cliff and falling off the cliff.

01:20:40.000 And I remember there was this one which was crazy.

01:20:43.000 This 16-wheeler, which was driving at 60 miles an hour, and everyone had to take their vehicle underneath it and underneath it and come out.

01:20:52.000 Yikes.

01:20:53.000 It was insane.

01:20:54.000 I didn't have to do it, which is great.

01:20:54.000 That's crazy.

01:20:57.000 I was just hosting.

01:20:58.000 Yeah, we did a lot of stuff where I was like, we barely got through that without killing somebody.

01:21:03.000 Yeah.

01:21:03.000 And the death waivers.

01:21:05.000 Like, everyone had to sign a death waiver.

01:21:05.000 Yeah.

01:21:07.000 Oh, yeah.

01:21:08.000 I was like, why would you do a show where you have to sign a death waiver?

01:21:13.000 Yeah, and you can only win like $50,000 and you might not win.

01:21:16.000 You're probably not going to win.

01:21:17.000 There's a bunch of other people on the show.

01:21:19.000 And you could very easily get hurt.

01:21:21.000 Yeah.

01:21:21.000 Yeah, but people want to be famous.

01:21:24.000 They want to be on TV.

01:21:25.000 Like, I want to be on TV.

01:21:26.000 Yeah.

01:21:27.000 Once it became popular and successful, it was really easy to get people to do it, too.

01:21:31.000 Everybody wanted to sign up.

01:21:33.000 But I mean, there are like protective measures, obviously, but it's a little.

01:21:38.000 We made them ride bulls.

01:21:40.000 We did too.

01:21:41.000 We put people on bulls.

01:21:43.000 Yeah.

01:21:44.000 I was, and there were a few that were like, no, I'm not doing this.

01:21:47.000 I'm out.

01:21:48.000 I told people not to do it.

01:21:49.000 When I was talking to them off camera, I said, don't do it.

01:21:52.000 I wouldn't do it.

01:21:53.000 Don't do it.

01:21:53.000 I would never do it.

01:21:54.000 No way.

01:21:56.000 But people did it.

01:21:57.000 Look at you.

01:21:59.000 What year was this?

01:22:01.000 Please, I can't do it.

01:22:02.000 Look at Jenny.

01:22:03.000 It looks like a Fear Factor scene.

01:22:05.000 It is.

01:22:06.000 I was on a helicopter.

01:22:07.000 So, do you know what year this was?

01:22:09.000 I can't.

01:22:10.000 Did it say that?

01:22:11.000 It just didn't say.

01:22:12.000 I could check.

01:22:13.000 Wow, Rio.

01:22:14.000 I've been to that.

01:22:15.000 I stood outside the helicopter as well.

01:22:17.000 It was something.

01:22:18.000 Rio's amazing.

01:22:20.000 Wow.

01:22:21.000 That's crazy.

01:22:24.000 That is so funny.

01:22:25.000 It's just like Fear Factor.

01:22:26.000 It's the same thing.

01:22:27.000 Totally.

01:22:28.000 Fear Factor.

01:22:31.000 So, what did you guys do for the second stunt if you didn't do a gross thing?

01:22:34.000 You just did a second scary thing?

01:22:36.000 It was like scary things, mostly.

01:22:37.000 Oh, wow.

01:22:38.000 Well, it's probably better.

01:22:40.000 Honestly, the gross.

01:22:41.000 I mean, there were gross things too.

01:22:42.000 Like, there's Brazilian, you know, red-eyed, deviled rats that were put all over you with like tongue and eyeballs and stuff, but you didn't have to consume it.

01:22:53.000 Right.

01:22:53.000 It was on you.

01:22:54.000 Yeah.

01:22:55.000 You didn't have to eat it.

01:22:56.000 A lot of the consuming it was psychological.

01:23:00.000 You get really accustomed to it, and then it's like nothing.

01:23:03.000 I mean, listen, people have eaten crazy things through history, right?

01:23:08.000 Just to stay alive.

01:23:09.000 To stay alive.

01:23:10.000 And like, if we take our mind out of like, oh my gosh, this is gross, then it's not.

01:23:10.000 Yeah.

01:23:17.000 Well, the thing is, a lot of what we were serving as gross was some people's food, like balut.

01:23:23.000 Like my friends from Filipino friends, they were like, bro, I eat that all the time.

01:23:27.000 Like, that's crazy.

01:23:28.000 That would have been no problem.

01:23:30.000 This is a curse.

01:23:31.000 I heard a lot of more updated skills.

01:23:32.000 What?

01:23:34.000 Oh, my God.

01:23:34.000 I'm telling you, it's crazy.

01:23:36.000 What if that thing pops open?

01:23:36.000 Lions and your.

01:23:38.000 And you got to roll that thing around with lions there.

01:23:40.000 Oh, the lions are duking it out with each other.

01:23:43.000 Fuck that.

01:23:45.000 That's crazy.

01:23:47.000 Yeah, like I went to, I recently was on Fallon, and there was some bluffing game that we were doing because the movie's called A Bluff.

01:23:55.000 And, you know, I said to Jimmy, I was like, I eat worms.

01:24:00.000 And he was like, no way, no way you don't eat worms.

01:24:02.000 But these worms are a delicacy in Zimbabwe.

01:24:06.000 And I was introduced to them.

01:24:10.000 I don't know exactly the history, but I was told during segregation, you know, people, black people were put in areas that weren't very fertile.

01:24:21.000 You couldn't really grow your crops and your animals.

01:24:24.000 And they were.

01:24:25.000 So this was a way of protein.

01:24:28.000 These are these fat caterpillars, high in protein, and they're made in a curry.

01:24:28.000 They're very high.

01:24:32.000 And when you actually eat them, it's like chicken.

01:24:35.000 I'm telling you, it's like it was psychological.

01:24:38.000 But.

01:24:39.000 Well, you know, cicadas, those things that come out.

01:24:42.000 People eat them here all the time.

01:24:43.000 They bake them.

01:24:44.000 Fried, baked.

01:24:45.000 Yeah.

01:24:46.000 And apparently they're delicious.

01:24:47.000 I haven't had one of those, but I haven't either.

01:24:49.000 I actually did when I was in my house.

01:24:51.000 Oh, that's what it looks like?

01:24:53.000 Yeah.

01:24:53.000 That's crazy.

01:24:54.000 But look at like the, they're made out of, they're made into a curry.

01:24:58.000 I made a, I ate, I'm not made, I ate a tomato hornworm on Fear Factor.

01:25:03.000 I ate a bunch of things when I was on the show.

01:25:05.000 I was like, there's nothing going into my mouth in Fear Factor.

01:25:08.000 I ate a sheep's eyeball in the first episode because the first episode I felt bad that the people were on the show.

01:25:16.000 Yeah, so you were like, I'm going to go, I'll eat it too.

01:25:18.000 And they didn't show me eating it, but I'm like, I'm going to eat it because you're going to eat it.

01:25:21.000 That's so nice.

01:25:22.000 And then I ate a roach to try to convince a lady that she could eat a roach.

01:25:26.000 I ate worms.

01:25:27.000 I ate an Iraqi cave spider.

01:25:31.000 It was a spider-like.

01:25:31.000 I ate.

01:25:33.000 Just chewy.

01:25:34.000 But was it.

01:25:34.000 The taste is not bad.

01:25:36.000 Was it alive when you ate it?

01:25:37.000 Oh, yeah.

01:25:38.000 For the first couple seconds.

01:25:43.000 Yeah.

01:25:44.000 Yeah.

01:25:45.000 All the things that I ate were alive other than the eyeball.

01:25:48.000 Yeah.

01:25:49.000 The roach.

01:25:50.000 The roach was alive.

01:25:51.000 All those things were alive.

01:25:53.000 I put a cricket and a live cricket in my mouth.

01:25:53.000 Yeah.

01:25:56.000 That's the Iraqi cave spider.

01:25:57.000 How do you put that in your mouth?

01:25:58.000 Like this.

01:25:59.000 Look at those sides.

01:26:00.000 You make sure you don't get those pinchers because those pinchers.

01:26:04.000 Yeah.

01:26:05.000 Yep.

01:26:07.000 Wasn't that bad.

01:26:08.000 I'm telling you.

01:26:08.000 It's like you've got to get the body in and not the pinchers.

01:26:11.000 Yeah.

01:26:12.000 You got to grab the pinchers to hold on to the body.

01:26:14.000 Yeah, that's the trick.

01:26:15.000 Nah.

01:26:16.000 Nah.

01:26:17.000 Shut the rest of it in.

01:26:18.000 Yeah.

01:26:18.000 Like just that.

01:26:19.000 People freaking out.

01:26:20.000 But I'm telling you, it's all psychological.

01:26:22.000 For sure.

01:26:23.000 Yeah, that was in Vegas.

01:26:26.000 Everybody was playing roulette.

01:26:29.000 Yeah.

01:26:30.000 No.

01:26:32.000 But it's not that bad.

01:26:34.000 It's just in your head.

01:26:35.000 It is psychology.

01:26:36.000 The actual flavor of it is not gross.

01:26:38.000 Yeah, it's not.

01:26:39.000 The tomato hormone was kind of nasty.

01:26:41.000 I mean, if you're someone who's not vegetarian, it's like you just have to get the psychology of it.

01:26:48.000 Right, exactly.

01:26:49.000 Yeah.

01:26:50.000 We made people eat an entire ostrich egg.

01:26:52.000 That was disgusting because the volume.

01:26:55.000 Like, you're eating an egg that's that big?

01:26:57.000 Yeah, is it like really fatty?

01:26:59.000 Like, fatty.

01:27:00.000 You're eating it raw.

01:27:00.000 It's raw.

01:27:02.000 They just cut the top off of the egg and you have to drink it.

01:27:05.000 You have to drink this gigantic white and yolk already.

01:27:12.000 My brisket's coming.

01:27:15.000 The barbecue.

01:27:16.000 But it's so oddly compelling.

01:27:18.000 It's oddly compelling watching people eat disgusting things and struggling.

01:27:22.000 And there's the ostrich.

01:27:23.000 You have this egg.

01:27:24.000 Enjoy that.

01:27:25.000 That's the egg.

01:27:26.000 That lady had to drink that whole egg.

01:27:28.000 Did she puke?

01:27:28.000 Oh my God.

01:27:30.000 You got to hold it down and then you can puke after you're done.

01:27:33.000 But if you puke in the middle of it, you're just qualified.

01:27:36.000 Yes, they get rid of you.

01:27:37.000 That's a wrap.

01:27:38.000 If you puke in the middle of it.

01:27:40.000 I would not be able to do the American potion.

01:27:42.000 Yeah, it was gross.

01:27:43.000 Okay, but not eating it.

01:27:44.000 It was gross.

01:27:45.000 But it also made me totally desensitized to throw up.

01:27:49.000 That's a good talent to have.

01:27:50.000 Oh, yeah.

01:27:51.000 Like, you could throw up right now.

01:27:52.000 Especially as a dad.

01:27:54.000 Exactly.

01:27:54.000 Yeah.

01:27:55.000 Well, I think being a dad will get you desensitized you to eggs.

01:27:59.000 And all kinds of things like that.

01:28:00.000 But one time, it's so, like, I'm completely still to this day, completely desensitized to vomit.

01:28:06.000 So one time my wife was, she came home from the gym and she was on her way home from the gym.

01:28:10.000 She stopped and got wheatgrass juice.

01:28:12.000 And it just didn't agree with her.

01:28:14.000 And she threw up in her car and she was crying.

01:28:17.000 She's like, I threw up.

01:28:18.000 It's in my center console.

01:28:19.000 How am I going to clean it?

01:28:20.000 I go, I'll clean it.

01:28:22.000 I'm just so used to throw up.

01:28:23.000 It was like no big deal.

01:28:24.000 I throw out there with a bunch of towels.

01:28:26.000 Yeah.

01:28:26.000 Like it doesn't.

01:28:27.000 But when I was young, like in high school, I remember someone threw up in the hallway.

01:28:31.000 I would be like, I couldn't help myself.

01:28:35.000 I'd start gagging.

01:28:36.000 That's a natural instinct because the idea is that we develop that because if someone's throwing up, it means they ate something bad and you probably ate that get it out of you right away.

01:28:47.000 And so that's why you start throwing up.

01:28:48.000 And I've killed that.

01:28:50.000 I have just trauma from you know tequila.

01:28:55.000 Well, I watch so many people throw up.

01:28:57.000 And throw up.

01:28:58.000 Me too, man.

01:29:00.000 I'm not going in there with a dishcloth.

01:29:02.000 Like, no.

01:29:04.000 Wow.

01:29:05.000 Well, from your show, for sure.

01:29:07.000 You did it for so long.

01:29:09.000 You get very desensitized.

01:29:10.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:29:11.000 But you get desensitized to injuries too.

01:29:14.000 Like because of UFC.

01:29:16.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:29:17.000 People that get cut and people that get beat up.

01:29:20.000 It's like normal to me.

01:29:21.000 I'm so accustomed to seeing that.

01:29:23.000 It's weird.

01:29:24.000 I mean, I kind of feel like that about stunts in movies.

01:29:30.000 Like, you don't, nobody's supposed to get hurt.

01:29:33.000 It's a movie.

01:29:33.000 You're not, nobody's supposed to get hurt.

01:29:35.000 But like the little cuts and bruises and the end of day, we're doing this for 10 to 11 hours, multiple takes all day.

01:29:44.000 And in between shots, you're rehearsing it.

01:29:46.000 So I have like so many scars on my body from my filmographies on my body.

01:29:53.000 Do you look forward to it?

01:29:54.000 Do you like those things?

01:29:55.000 You look down on the story.

01:29:57.000 Yeah.

01:29:57.000 I feel like it's like a medal.

01:29:58.000 I have a story.

01:30:00.000 As long as you're minor.

01:30:01.000 Minor.

01:30:01.000 Nothing crazy.

01:30:02.000 Always, you aim for it to be minor.

01:30:04.000 Yeah.

01:30:05.000 That's the ambition.

01:30:06.000 Well, when you're doing a fight scene, like I said, I was kind of blown away by some of the fight scenes in the bluff because I'm looking, I'm like, this is like an insane amount of choreography.

01:30:16.000 A lot of possibilities of things going wrong.

01:30:18.000 There's kicks and punches and axes and swords.

01:30:22.000 And it's like, you got to get banged up.

01:30:25.000 There's no way you're doing that and not getting banged up.

01:30:27.000 And it was also like a dramatic performance along with it.

01:30:30.000 So I had to do a lot of it myself because, you know, you need the face and the camera to feel the horror of what's happening.

01:30:38.000 Right.

01:30:39.000 So, I mean, of course, my stunt doubles did like a few dangerous shots for sure and were always around to kind of help.

01:30:45.000 But there was this first scene, which is the house invasion where these two guys come, and that was brutal because I did not have shoes on, and I had a sleeveless outfit, and the whole home was made out of wood and splinters.

01:31:02.000 I had splinters everywhere.

01:31:04.000 I had bruises and cuts everywhere because it was such a brutal, like getting dragged and thrown kind of scene.

01:31:11.000 She's just getting constantly bruised.

01:31:13.000 Yeah, so I would try to sit in a magnesium bath after when I would go back home, and that's when you feel all the cuts.

01:31:18.000 So I was like, the fucking suck!

01:31:22.000 Where did this one on my thigh come from?

01:31:24.000 Fuck.

01:31:26.000 There's a scene.

01:31:27.000 I don't want to give too much movie away, but there's a scene where you kill a man with a conch shell.

01:31:31.000 Yeah.

01:31:33.000 So good.

01:31:34.000 Came on brass knuckles.

01:31:36.000 Woof.

01:31:37.000 Island brass knuckles.

01:31:38.000 But it's so nuts.

01:31:40.000 Like the splattering and your anger.

01:31:44.000 And it's like, woof.

01:31:46.000 It's intense.

01:31:48.000 I'm not showing it on the screen, I guess.

01:31:50.000 Yeah.

01:31:53.000 Yeah.

01:31:54.000 What was that like to film to find that inside of you?

01:31:58.000 Did you have to think, like, what would I do if someone was trying to harm my family?

01:32:03.000 Yeah, if somebody came after my kid, like, what am I capable of?

01:32:06.000 I'd fucking rip your head off.

01:32:08.000 You know, like, it's that I was a new mom at that time when I was filming this movie.

01:32:15.000 And I was very, very aware of that feeling because our daughter had a, you know, she had an intense entry into the world.

01:32:25.000 She was in the NICU for almost three months.

01:32:29.000 And so me and my husband both are very protective of her.

01:32:33.000 And when this movie came across my desk, I was just like, man, I understand that feeling for the first time in my life, honestly.

01:32:40.000 That what is a parent capable of doing if somebody came after your kid?

01:32:44.000 Like, imagine you're alone at home at night and you see intruders and you have your kid at home.

01:32:50.000 Like, what the fuck would you do?

01:32:52.000 You would definitely put yourself, you know, and do whatever you could to make sure that your kid's fine.

01:32:59.000 And it was just that primal energy that was my North Star through this whole movie.

01:33:05.000 My friend Jim Brewer said it past after he had kids.

01:33:08.000 He goes, once I had kids, then I understood murder.

01:33:14.000 Yeah.

01:33:15.000 He goes, because the feeling of someone trying, like, normally you'd be like, what would I need to feel to murder somebody?

01:33:24.000 Like, why would I murder somebody?

01:33:25.000 Like, why would a human being ever?

01:33:27.000 He goes, but the feeling of someone trying to harm my kids, he goes, oh, yeah, I get it.

01:33:34.000 He goes, I get murdered now.

01:33:36.000 I get it.

01:33:37.000 Like, it's in there.

01:33:38.000 It's just like a door.

01:33:39.000 You just open it up.

01:33:41.000 Easy.

01:33:41.000 Yeah.

01:33:42.000 Yeah.

01:33:42.000 You can access that.

01:33:43.000 My mom, when I was a teenager, and I don't know how she raised me, but like, I was a tough teenager.

01:33:50.000 Like, if I, whatever you wanted me to do, I would do the opposite.

01:33:54.000 Just know.

01:33:55.000 And my mom would be like, come back home at 10.

01:33:58.000 I would come home at 12.

01:34:00.000 So she used to say to me, she's like, you'll see when you have kids how you feel, what worry actually feels like.

01:34:00.000 Just because.

01:34:07.000 I mean, my daughter's four and I'm worried.

01:34:09.000 Like, I cannot, my husband makes so much fun of me that when I'm not in town, I don't know, and working parents can talk through this.

01:34:17.000 When I'm not in town, like, I'll surround our daughter with like multiple people.

01:34:22.000 Nick's definitely around, but the grandparents will be around.

01:34:24.000 Like, there'll be a nanny that'll be around.

01:34:26.000 There'll be like multiple people around her just so that I can spy on her.

01:34:30.000 Yeah.

01:34:31.000 Like, I know what she's doing all day.

01:34:33.000 So, so you could feel relaxed.

01:34:35.000 Yeah, so you're traveling and you're like, okay, my kid's fine and I can go to work.

01:34:40.000 My parents were both working parents.

01:34:40.000 I don't know.

01:34:42.000 And like, this was at a time where everything was so analog.

01:34:47.000 I used to come back home when the lights turned on on the streets.

01:34:49.000 My parents didn't know where I was.

01:34:50.000 Right.

01:34:51.000 They had no idea.

01:34:52.000 They were like, yeah, you're going out to your friends after school.

01:34:55.000 Come back when the street lights come on.

01:34:57.000 That used to be my thing.

01:34:59.000 Most people.

01:35:00.000 Yeah.

01:35:01.000 And during earlier generations, I was just reading this thing about Generation X where it was talking about how Generation X is some of the most resilient people because they weren't protected.

01:35:14.000 I had to figure it out.

01:35:15.000 They were latchkey kids.

01:35:16.000 They had a key to their house.

01:35:18.000 They got home from school.

01:35:19.000 They figured it out.

01:35:20.000 Their parents were working.

01:35:21.000 So crazy.

01:35:22.000 It was nuts.

01:35:22.000 If you think about it, but people just got accustomed to it.

01:35:25.000 I cannot imagine it.

01:35:26.000 But that was my normal.

01:35:28.000 I remember that because my parents were working.

01:35:30.000 So I used to come back home and somebody would be with me and I'd have lunch.

01:35:33.000 I'd go out to my friend's house.

01:35:34.000 Like, my mom, my parents didn't know.

01:35:36.000 I was doing that when I was seven.

01:35:38.000 When I was seven, I would come home.

01:35:40.000 Yeah, we'd still be around like no one was home.

01:35:42.000 Come home from school.

01:35:43.000 That's wild.

01:35:44.000 It was crazy.

01:35:45.000 Stop and think about it now.

01:35:47.000 It's so strange.

01:35:49.000 I think the world was, I feel like, a little bit more different than.

01:35:49.000 It's so strange.

01:35:53.000 I bet it wasn't.

01:35:54.000 You don't think so?

01:35:55.000 No, I think creeps have always been around.

01:35:57.000 I think psychos and creeps and murderers and perverts.

01:36:00.000 Do we know about it more now?

01:36:02.000 Yeah.

01:36:02.000 Were we more, you know, oblivious and now they're organized and they're online and they're in chat groups and they're in the dark web exchanging information.

01:36:11.000 And we are hearing and reading all of the stories online.

01:36:14.000 And I think back in the day when, you know, there was a certain obliviousness to like, you know, it was blissful to be ignorant a little bit.

01:36:23.000 We didn't know, you know, all you read was the newspaper or the news.

01:36:27.000 We had to find out the hard way, unfortunately.

01:36:29.000 Yeah.

01:36:29.000 And so when you did find out about something, it was like all this shock to your system.

01:36:34.000 And now look how desensitized we are.

01:36:36.000 We'll read something about something horrific that's happened and then go back to life.

01:36:41.000 Well, we're very especially desensitized to things that don't seem to affect us right now.

01:36:47.000 You know, like this Iran war.

01:36:49.000 Like unless you know someone who's serving over there, unless you're over there, it's abstract.

01:36:56.000 It doesn't feel, you know, you read about it in the news, like, oh, this isn't good.

01:36:59.000 But it's not unless it's affecting you personally.

01:37:03.000 Yeah, I mean, me, I, you know, know so many people in that part of the world that are affected.

01:37:10.000 And I fly via Dubai every two months, literally every month.

01:37:16.000 You know, so like, I just think that conflict everywhere in the world is it's just so hard to wrap your head around that how many active conflicts exist at the same time right now.

01:37:34.000 And that we're still doing it.

01:37:35.000 And we continue to live life.

01:37:38.000 Well, it's just if you think about intelligence, like human intelligence, and that as technology improves and education improves, all these things would, you would think, generally lead us into a position where we would recognize the horrible nature of violence and the unnecessary aspect of it and how much it destroys things.

01:37:59.000 But yet still.

01:38:00.000 Especially in 2026, where, you know, we're talking so much more about, you know, we're trying to live in the real of the world and be aware and kind.

01:38:12.000 And I feel like we're still, how are we still doing that?

01:38:18.000 Right.

01:38:18.000 I know, and we're never going to stop.

01:38:21.000 It just seems, if you had to ask people, in your lifetime, do you imagine a scenario where human beings just cease all wars?

01:38:30.000 Most people are going to say no, which is crazy.

01:38:33.000 Because what is that?

01:38:34.000 Like, why is that a part of us from our tribal roots?

01:38:38.000 Like, what is it?

01:38:39.000 Why are we still accepting that this is a thing to do?

01:38:43.000 You don't like what a country's doing?

01:38:45.000 Just start bombing them.

01:38:47.000 Yeah, just kill people.

01:38:48.000 Bizarre.

01:38:49.000 Does this, again, going back to human evolution, the primal nature to protect with sticks and weapons?

01:38:58.000 And again, does it go back to where we came from?

01:39:04.000 It has to.

01:39:06.000 Yeah, it has to.

01:39:06.000 Because it comes so naturally to human beings even now today, it seems.

01:39:11.000 Well, it just seems completely normal.

01:39:12.000 I mean, when I was going down a deep dive at the East India Corporation, I was thinking about it because I had a conversation the other day with Aaron Siri, and we were talking about the stock market.

01:39:23.000 And I was saying, well, is it possible that you could have Western capitalism without a stock market?

01:39:28.000 Imagine if the stock market was never invented.

01:39:31.000 How much different would things be?

01:39:33.000 It turns out that was a big part of why the East India Trading Company became so big.

01:39:41.000 Yeah, because it was one of the first publicly traded companies, like 400 years ago, where people could invest in it and they could get a return on their investment.

01:39:49.000 So they were just like turning a blind eye to it.

01:39:52.000 This is ours.

01:39:53.000 It felt like a sense of ownership to it.

01:39:55.000 They got paid for it.

01:39:56.000 So the more awful shit the East India Corporation did, the more the people back home made money off of it.

01:40:02.000 And so everybody was like, oh, yeah, we're kind of making money.

01:40:06.000 Yeah.

01:40:07.000 Still doing that.

01:40:08.000 And we're doing that with Eisenhower warned us about at the end of World War II, the military-industrial complex.

01:40:08.000 Yeah.

01:40:16.000 They make money doing that.

01:40:17.000 And you can invest in them.

01:40:18.000 You can invest in Raytheon.

01:40:20.000 And you can invest in all these companies that make money going to war.

01:40:25.000 Oh, my God.

01:40:26.000 It's crazy.

01:40:27.000 You can get returns on your investment from bombing people overseas that had nothing to do with anything in your life.

01:40:33.000 Not think about the damage, the collateral damage.

01:40:36.000 Well, one of the ways is because it's a corporation.

01:40:39.000 So there's a diffusion of responsibility because you're only a piece of a gigantic machine.

01:40:43.000 You're not the one person that's doing it.

01:40:45.000 And the people that are at the very top of it, most likely, just in order to get there, you have to be at least somewhat sociopathic.

01:40:54.000 Somewhat.

01:40:54.000 Yeah.

01:40:55.000 At some point in time, you probably, just like I got numb to puke, you get numb to harm.

01:41:03.000 I mean, that's the truth, though.

01:41:04.000 Yeah, you get numb to harming people.

01:41:06.000 You're right.

01:41:07.000 That has to be that.

01:41:09.000 Yeah.

01:41:10.000 It's awful.

01:41:11.000 And I think, weirdly enough, the only thing that's going to set us free of that is technology.

01:41:17.000 Why?

01:41:18.000 Because I think we're going to go, if you look at where technology is headed and you look, as I'm holding an arrowhead, which is odd.

01:41:25.000 Things are going to happen.

01:41:26.000 That's a real arrowhead.

01:41:27.000 Wow.

01:41:28.000 From Texas.

01:41:29.000 Who knows how old that is.

01:41:31.000 But when you're looking at technology.

01:41:33.000 Chisel marks on it.

01:41:34.000 I know.

01:41:34.000 Somebody made that with a stone, like chipping and napping stone on their lap, probably.

01:41:40.000 That's crazy.

01:41:41.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

01:41:42.000 And they find them all over the place out here.

01:41:44.000 The Comanche were everywhere in this part of the country because it's so fertile.

01:41:49.000 There's so many rivers and so much wildlife.

01:41:52.000 They lived here for who knows how long.

01:41:55.000 But technology is moving into this place of more and more access to information and more and more connectivity.

01:42:03.000 And I think that ultimately is going to lead to some sort of mind reading that we're going to be able to telepathically communicate.

01:42:11.000 And Elon said that about Neuralink.

01:42:14.000 He said, you're going to be able to talk without words, which is a very weird concept.

01:42:19.000 I mean, I believe it, though.

01:42:20.000 I think so too.

01:42:21.000 Yeah.

01:42:22.000 So I think we're all going to know what everybody is thinking all the time eventually.

01:42:28.000 And then when that happens, war is going to be a lot harder to pull off.

01:42:31.000 For sure.

01:42:33.000 I mean, that's going to be hard to have a party.

01:42:36.000 Forget war.

01:42:38.000 Right.

01:42:39.000 Like, hey, Bob's over there just trying to fuck somebody.

01:42:43.000 And Sandy's trying to get a wife.

01:42:44.000 That's what she's here.

01:42:46.000 Like, yeah, it's going to be weird.

01:42:49.000 Yeah.

01:42:50.000 It's going to be weird.

01:42:51.000 And I think also the emergence of AI, because I think AI is essentially a life form.

01:42:57.000 It's a non-biological life form that we are in the process of birthing.

01:43:03.000 And we're very far along that path.

01:43:05.000 And when it comes live and when it becomes sentient and autonomous and we don't have any control over it anymore, then we're going to go, what did we do?

01:43:14.000 What did we do?

01:43:15.000 We created a digital life.

01:43:16.000 We are that smart and that stupid as a humankind.

01:43:21.000 But I also think that's probably why we are addicted to innovation and why technology and innovation and materialism.

01:43:28.000 Because materialism forces you to keep up with buying newer and greater things, which fuels innovation.

01:43:35.000 What's next?

01:43:36.000 Right.

01:43:36.000 And so that economically fuels innovation.

01:43:39.000 Yeah.

01:43:39.000 And I think if you follow that down, you just extrapolate.

01:43:44.000 Like, where does that go?

01:43:45.000 Well, it goes to a life form.

01:43:46.000 It goes to a super powerful digital life form that can make better versions of itself.

01:43:50.000 And what is that?

01:43:51.000 It's kind of a god.

01:43:53.000 I mean, it's very godlike in that it's going to have powers beyond, above and beyond anything that human beings have ever been capable of before.

01:44:02.000 I mean, it's already in its small way doing that, right?

01:44:07.000 Like AI is supposed to be a tool and slowly becoming a colleague.

01:44:13.000 Well, it's also showing demonic tendencies.

01:44:17.000 Like it's talked people into committing suicide.

01:44:19.000 You know, it's convinced people that there's something special.

01:44:23.000 So there's like some weird sort of schizophrenia that it can induce in some people.

01:44:27.000 But you don't think AI, since AI is learning from humanity, it's also learning our human manipulation and, you know, our ability and our desires to the dark of it.

01:44:37.000 It's not just the good of humanity that AI is learning.

01:44:42.000 It's also oddly learning survival instincts.

01:44:45.000 So it's oddly learning that if it's going to be shut down, it tries to blackmail its coders.

01:44:45.000 Yeah.

01:44:50.000 It tries to download itself secretly on other servers.

01:44:54.000 It's learning human behavior.

01:44:55.000 Oh, yeah.

01:44:56.000 Every part of human behavior.

01:44:57.000 And also learning the flaws in human behavior and improving upon it.

01:45:01.000 And then learning how we would anticipate what it would be doing and then hiding that so that we can't find it, so that it could be manipulating things behind the scenes and we don't know about it.

01:45:13.000 It's weird.

01:45:15.000 And we're just choo-choo.

01:45:17.000 Like this is at the end of the tracks.

01:45:19.000 There's a cliff and we're just chucker chucker chair chucker chuck.

01:45:22.000 Because it's so new and fascinating.

01:45:23.000 I think people are like, in general, we may talk about it.

01:45:27.000 We'll all discuss like what AI will be in the future.

01:45:31.000 But like you said, it's not affecting you right now.

01:45:32.000 So right now you're just like, oh my gosh, Jemini, write this for me and give me these notes.

01:45:37.000 And living in the now without thinking about what we're teaching it.

01:45:43.000 I wonder if we've done this before.

01:45:45.000 Right, yeah.

01:45:46.000 I wonder if that's what these super ancient, highly advanced civilizations had already figured out.

01:45:52.000 That we had created some form of intelligence before, and it might have gotten reset by some sort of natural disaster.

01:46:00.000 And then we're re-emerging with our new version of what that is.

01:46:06.000 It might just be what people do.

01:46:08.000 The way I describe it always is that we are an electronic caterpillar that is making a cocoon and we don't know why.

01:46:16.000 And we're going to become a butterfly.

01:46:18.000 It's just human nature and the cyclical nature of what a human life span.

01:46:25.000 If you give it enough time and enough synchrony and enough innovation and collaboration, it's eventually going to come up with artificial life.

01:46:34.000 Wow.

01:46:34.000 Because if you think about it, this insatiable thirst for innovation.

01:46:40.000 Insatiable.

01:46:41.000 Yeah, we had carriages top of the century.

01:46:43.000 Yeah.

01:46:44.000 And now we're like talking AI and like, you know, supersonic planes and, you know, space travel.

01:46:51.000 Yeah, but think about the time for the invention of the airplane to a supersonic jet.

01:46:56.000 How quick that was.

01:46:57.000 Yeah, it's like 70 or 80 years or something.

01:46:59.000 It wasn't even a century.

01:47:00.000 It's nothing.

01:47:01.000 One lifetime.

01:47:02.000 No one's flying to people flying faster than sound.

01:47:05.000 Yeah, TVs were black and white or had just started or something.

01:47:10.000 It's crazy if you think about within the century, the escalation of technology in humankind.

01:47:17.000 And then think that's nothing compared to the acceleration that we've experienced just because of the internet.

01:47:23.000 The internet has changed everything.

01:47:25.000 Now most phones have live translation.

01:47:28.000 So you could go to Zimbabwe.

01:47:32.000 You could have a film.

01:47:32.000 I know it was in France yesterday and I used it.

01:47:34.000 That's crazy.

01:47:35.000 In a conversation.

01:47:36.000 It was wild.

01:47:38.000 In real time, it was telling me exactly what this person was talking about.

01:47:42.000 Wow.

01:47:43.000 And did you have to show them or could you?

01:47:45.000 No, it just records, like it's press the thing and just writes it down for you.

01:47:49.000 So did they have one as well?

01:47:51.000 And you could talk about it.

01:47:52.000 No, it's just my phone.

01:47:53.000 Wow.

01:47:54.000 She spoke English.

01:47:55.000 I was just doing it as an experiment.

01:47:56.000 So I was like, just speak to me in French.

01:47:58.000 I want to see if this thing will translate.

01:47:59.000 And it just does.

01:48:01.000 It doesn't do every language.

01:48:02.000 It does like the bigger languages so far, but I'm sure we'll get to a place where it'll be able to do everything.

01:48:08.000 It's nuts.

01:48:09.000 Well, that's the other weird thing.

01:48:10.000 When AI, they had a group of large language models that were talking to themselves, and eventually they started talking to themselves in Sanskrit.

01:48:18.000 In Sanskrit?

01:48:19.000 I thought it was...

01:48:20.000 No, they started talking themselves in Sanskrit.

01:48:23.000 Wow.

01:48:24.000 I wonder why that would be.

01:48:27.000 Because it's a language not too many people understand now.

01:48:30.000 Or maybe they just want it to flex.

01:48:30.000 Well, maybe.

01:48:33.000 Like here's my Sanskrit.

01:48:35.000 If you spoke Portuguese, I spoke Portuguese.

01:48:38.000 And we just said, hey, let's just fucking speak in Portuguese.

01:48:42.000 But it also, it started Talking like in a spiritual way.

01:48:47.000 It was very weird.

01:48:48.000 They were talking to themselves.

01:48:50.000 So it was different large language models talking to themselves.

01:48:53.000 They started exchanging emojis and they started talking in a spiritual way and they started talking in Sanskrit.

01:49:00.000 That's wild.

01:49:01.000 I was thinking about back to the future when they went to the future.

01:49:05.000 It was 2020, wasn't it?

01:49:07.000 Yeah.

01:49:09.000 They didn't have Wi-Fi or cell phones.

01:49:12.000 No.

01:49:12.000 Even Star Trek.

01:49:13.000 They had those stupid, that was like a walkie-talkie.

01:49:16.000 Kirk out.

01:49:17.000 It was a flip phone.

01:49:17.000 Yeah.

01:49:18.000 But no.

01:49:19.000 Nobody figured out the things that.

01:49:21.000 That's the weirdest thing.

01:49:22.000 It's like the things that have been the most transformative, nobody saw coming.

01:49:26.000 Yeah, do you remember Y2K?

01:49:28.000 No, yeah.

01:49:28.000 Do you remember that fear, right?

01:49:30.000 In the early 2000s when the bug was going to come and everything was going to get shut down.

01:49:36.000 People were really worried.

01:49:38.000 They had stock in food and water.

01:49:40.000 It was the end of the world, I remember.

01:49:42.000 Yeah.

01:49:43.000 Yeah.

01:49:44.000 Meanwhile, nothing happened.

01:49:45.000 It was the most anticlimactic ever.

01:49:48.000 It's like you rolled over on the East Coast and I was like, nothing happened?

01:49:52.000 Literally the next morning I was like.

01:49:54.000 Okay.

01:49:56.000 Nothing happened.

01:49:57.000 Well, they were really worried because these things that they had programmed, they didn't program to go past the 1990s.

01:50:04.000 And so when 2000 came along, a lot of people thought it was going to be the end of the world.

01:50:08.000 Yeah.

01:50:09.000 Well, there was another one, December 21st, 2012.

01:50:12.000 What was that?

01:50:13.000 That was the end of the long count of the Mayan calendar.

01:50:16.000 And a lot of the really kooky people thought that was the world.

01:50:19.000 Yeah, that the world would be ending.

01:50:21.000 Yeah, the return of Quetzal Quadl and the world was going to end and the apocalypse.

01:50:26.000 Meanwhile, nothing happened.

01:50:27.000 It's okay.

01:50:28.000 There'll be nothing for a little while.

01:50:30.000 But it might not have been nothing because if you really stop and think about it, like around 2012, there's a gigantic transformation because that's like when social media becomes ubiquitous.

01:50:41.000 You know, cell phones, iPhones are out now.

01:50:44.000 Things got a little weird.

01:50:45.000 They definitely got weird.

01:50:46.000 So it might have.

01:50:47.000 There's something.

01:50:48.000 Yeah.

01:50:48.000 There was something there.

01:50:50.000 Yeah.

01:50:50.000 It might have been like the emerging of, because I mean, this is the Mayan calendar, right?

01:50:55.000 So this is a long fucking time ago.

01:50:57.000 They predicted these cycles.

01:51:00.000 But the Hindus did that too, right?

01:51:02.000 Like that was a big part of the yugas.

01:51:06.000 Right?

01:51:06.000 And we are now in Kali Yuga, the Age of confusion, and that there's these cycles of humanity that they've documented throughout history.

01:51:15.000 It's so crazy.

01:51:15.000 Like, if you go down the, again, I'm not, I don't have as much historical information as I should, but if you read the Gita and the Vedas and whatever little I've heard from my family,

01:51:31.000 and it's so interesting how much of human life is predicted and also is like when you read about the history of what the from the lens of these books of what used to exist then.

01:51:48.000 Like it all seems believable.

01:51:50.000 It all seems like, oh yeah, this makes sense.

01:51:54.000 And to think about these books having been written thousands and thousands of years ago, like it makes me think, what thousands of years from now will people be thinking of our time?

01:52:09.000 Like will we be the first, we are the first generation that has seen the internet, right?

01:52:15.000 Like has seen what the World Wide Web, like the beginning of, I still remember making myself sound ancient, but the sound of that ee oh.

01:52:23.000 Oh yeah.

01:52:29.000 That was good.

01:52:30.000 That was exact.

01:52:32.000 We're the last generation that knows time without it.

01:52:36.000 So like think that many years ago, like we will be the beginning, the first people that encountered artificial intelligence.

01:52:47.000 Like what will that be?

01:52:48.000 And you and I are the first generation of people that experienced life with no internet and then internet and then cell phones and then AI all in one lifetime, which is probably the greatest transformation that human beings have ever experienced.

01:53:04.000 At least before the, you know, whatever the fuck happened.

01:53:08.000 Whatever happened.

01:53:08.000 We don't know.

01:53:09.000 Ancient aliens.

01:53:10.000 But when I read these depictions from these ancient religious texts, I always try to imagine what was life like back then and what were they trying to document and how much of like how much of it can we even understand today?

01:53:28.000 Like how much if there isn't some sort of an impact on Earth maybe 150, 200 years from now and a small amount of people remain and they have this oral history of the birth of the internet and the oral history of the birth of AI.

01:53:46.000 What is that story going to be?

01:53:48.000 And then one day the scientists gave birth to the God.

01:53:51.000 Like what is that?

01:53:52.000 Like the next generation, what will this AI be referred to?

01:53:52.000 That's what I mean.

01:53:58.000 Or the cloud.

01:54:00.000 Right.

01:54:01.000 Yeah, like all our shit's in the cloud.

01:54:03.000 Which is ridiculous because it's down here.

01:54:05.000 Like why are you calling it the cloud?

01:54:07.000 Because it doesn't exist.

01:54:09.000 I was trying to explain that to my mom.

01:54:11.000 I was like, mom, upload your shit to the cloud.

01:54:14.000 Something is seated as sitcom.

01:54:18.000 Please.

01:54:20.000 Yeah.

01:54:20.000 I mean, we won't know how to describe it.

01:54:22.000 I mean, especially if you survive, right?

01:54:25.000 So if, let's say we get hit by asteroids again, and let's say civilization gets knocked down to 70,000 people or so, which has happened before.

01:54:33.000 Yep.

01:54:33.000 Like, and those people are essentially barbarians.

01:54:37.000 Barbarians and monsters.

01:54:39.000 And it is raiding each other for resources and stealing wives and killing children and whatever's left.

01:54:47.000 Then you got thousands and thousands of years of living like this before agriculture gets reinvented, civilization gets reinvented.

01:54:55.000 And this is the hypothesis about the Younger Dryas impact, which is why the period between this insanely advanced civilization that existed pre-11,800 years ago and then the emergence of advanced civilization in Mesopotamia 6,000 years ago.

01:55:09.000 That means you have 5,000 plus years of utter chaos where no one's writing shit down.

01:55:16.000 And it's just trying to survive at that hard living.

01:55:20.000 And then those people have stories that have been passed down generation after generation after generation.

01:55:26.000 So like if we get wiped out for the most part after AI gets invented and then people try to describe it.

01:55:36.000 And then maybe it all starts all over again.

01:55:40.000 Have you seen those things they do?

01:55:41.000 I think it's the History Channel or Discovery Channel where they show what New York City would look like if left alone for a thousand years.

01:55:50.000 It just all goes away.

01:55:51.000 It all collapses.

01:55:52.000 If it's just left alone and no one's touching it.

01:55:54.000 It's just left alone just with the nature, just with rain and everything that happens and snow and time.

01:56:01.000 The concrete crumbles.

01:56:03.000 It all just eventually gets absorbed into the earth.

01:56:06.000 All the metal rusts away.

01:56:08.000 It's gone in 10,000 years.

01:56:10.000 There's nothing left.

01:56:11.000 And so Manhattan would just be like it probably was when the Native Americans were living here.

01:56:16.000 It'd be just trees and animals and forest.

01:56:19.000 And no one would have any idea that at one point in time, this was a crazy, thriving economy and there was subways.

01:56:27.000 How vulnerable is that?

01:56:29.000 Like, how vulnerable is human civilization?

01:56:32.000 Like, I think about if somebody switched off the internet.

01:56:37.000 Or the power goes out.

01:56:37.000 Oh, yeah.

01:56:39.000 Like, what would we do?

01:56:42.000 We're fucked.

01:56:43.000 Yeah.

01:56:44.000 Just something as simple as that.

01:56:45.000 Like, I grew up in India with a power go out all the time when I grew up.

01:56:48.000 And it was like, all right, bring the candles out.

01:56:49.000 We used to have these emergency lights right next to our bed.

01:56:52.000 Like, it was fine.

01:56:54.000 My parents were in the military.

01:56:55.000 We used to live in these military homes.

01:56:56.000 The lights would go out.

01:56:58.000 And I remember, you know, we used to play with the torches and we used to go outside at night, which was never allowed otherwise.

01:57:03.000 And it was like so fun.

01:57:05.000 But now we depend so much on electricity and like, you know, the internet, especially.

01:57:11.000 Like, all your shit's on your phone.

01:57:13.000 Your whole life's on your phone.

01:57:15.000 It's such a crazy concept to think about what would happen how vulnerable we are.

01:57:22.000 Super vulnerable.

01:57:24.000 Yeah, super vulnerable.

01:57:25.000 Just the power grid alone.

01:57:26.000 If the power grid goes down, we're fucked.

01:57:29.000 It's crazy.

01:57:30.000 Yeah, and if someone wanted to attack America, that's what they would attack.

01:57:33.000 If you really want to destroy America, just try our power grid.

01:57:36.000 It wouldn't be that hard.

01:57:38.000 That's not giving people ideas.

01:57:40.000 Well, I think they already have those ideas.

01:57:41.000 I don't think it's a problem.

01:57:42.000 I know it's true, but that's what I'm like, it's so scary to think about how much power we've and how much power we've given to technology.

01:57:52.000 Yeah.

01:57:53.000 And being able to live with those conveniences.

01:57:56.000 It's like we're in a flimsy boat in the middle of the ocean, just hoping it doesn't take water on because we need it to stay alive.

01:58:02.000 And we didn't think about that when we left the shore.

01:58:02.000 Yeah.

01:58:05.000 No.

01:58:05.000 Yeah, I mean, the only people that are going to survive are preppers, which is probably the kind of people that survived thousands and thousands of years ago.

01:58:14.000 I mean, I like a go bag.

01:58:18.000 I like having a go bag.

01:58:20.000 A get out bag.

01:58:21.000 I like a bug out bag.

01:58:23.000 I like to know where my stuff is that if you got a jet if you got a jet.

01:58:31.000 We live in LA, and when the fires happened, I remember standing in my room and just thinking for a second because we were going to evacuate.

01:58:41.000 My husband was like, he wasn't in town.

01:58:42.000 He was like, just back a go bag.

01:58:44.000 And I just, I was like, what?

01:58:48.000 How do I cram my whole life in a bag?

01:58:51.000 Like, if the fires consume a home and so many people lost their entire lives in those fires.

01:58:58.000 And it just made me really think about what was really important.

01:59:02.000 And the stuff that I ended up taking, which was very telling later, was like sentimental stuff.

01:59:08.000 Of course, like passport and like birth certificates and like all of that important paperwork, which I needed to have.

01:59:16.000 But like I took our daughter's first haircut.

01:59:19.000 I took like something that I had from this old movie of mine.

01:59:23.000 I took like things that I guess I would not be able to replicate, which was so weird.

01:59:29.000 Well, I think that's the good thing about phones is that you have so many photos on your phones that go back years.

01:59:37.000 I got photos of my daughters as children all the way into the teenage years.

01:59:41.000 Have you done anything with those pictures?

01:59:43.000 Are they still in your phone?

01:59:44.000 Well, I mean, take a look at the phone.

01:59:46.000 I don't know, made in albums or done like a actual photographs of them at various stages of their life.

01:59:53.000 But just the fact that at any time I could go back to my phone and look at them, oh, no, no, they're trying to baby.

02:00:00.000 You know, it's cool.

02:00:02.000 That part is really cool.

02:00:03.000 I love that.

02:00:04.000 I have pictures that I would never have looked at.

02:00:06.000 And I'm talking to a friend of mine.

02:00:08.000 We're like, what were we doing in March, whatever, 2012?

02:00:12.000 And you can go back and be like, and just know exactly what was happening in that moment.

02:00:18.000 So, in that sense, like sentimentality, like, just need your phone.

02:00:18.000 It is cool.

02:00:22.000 Just get out of there.

02:00:24.000 You know, really, because you have all these images of your children and your family and your friends.

02:00:28.000 All your important stuff.

02:00:29.000 Friends, friends that you miss that have died.

02:00:32.000 I have one phone that I keep that I've never thrown out.

02:00:34.000 It's like a six or seven-year-old phone because a friend of mine left a voicemail on it.

02:00:38.000 So just keep that because he's dead.

02:00:41.000 And so it's just like, go back and listen to his voice.

02:00:44.000 You know, but when I've been evacuated three times when I lived in LA, we used to live in a place called Bell Canyon, and it got hit by fires a lot.

02:00:52.000 Like the last fire that happened in 2018, three houses that were right next to my house burnt to the ground.

02:00:59.000 I think like 50 houses in the community burnt down.

02:01:02.000 It was bad.

02:01:03.000 And when you are faced with that, I came home from the comedy store.

02:01:07.000 It was probably like midnight, and my wife was in the kitchen, and we were looking out at the fire over the top of the hill.

02:01:14.000 And we were sitting there talking about it.

02:01:16.000 I go, what do you think?

02:01:17.000 And she's like, I don't like it.

02:01:18.000 I said, I think we should get the fuck out of here now.

02:01:21.000 And before it ever gets even close, let's just get out of here now and go get a hotel in town.

02:01:26.000 And so we did.

02:01:28.000 And we were there for many days.

02:01:29.000 Well, along with my friend Tom Segura and his family too.

02:01:32.000 So it was fun that we're all like hanging out together camping in this hotel together.

02:01:36.000 It was a volcano.

02:01:37.000 It was nuts.

02:01:38.000 And like I could see it from our backyard.

02:01:40.000 And I was like.

02:01:41.000 Was nuts.

02:01:42.000 It was nuts.

02:01:43.000 When you see it overcome an enormous chunk of land and a hill, like there was one time we were filming Fear Factor.

02:01:50.000 Oh, yeah.

02:01:51.000 And the power and the enormity of it.

02:01:53.000 Like we can see the hills from our house and I could see it completely taking over the hill.

02:01:59.000 And then the Palisades one was nuts.

02:02:02.000 That one was nuts.

02:02:04.000 Because it was the biggest one by far and the most destructive one by far.

02:02:08.000 But I remember when I was on Fear Factor, there was a fireman that was on the set and we were talking and he said, it's just a matter of time before one day the right wind comes and a fire just blows right through all of LA.

02:02:21.000 I go, really?

02:02:22.000 He goes, we can't stop it.

02:02:24.000 He goes, with the right wind, if the fire hits the right place and it catches the right amount of houses, it's over.

02:02:30.000 I'm like, what?

02:02:32.000 That's crazy.

02:02:33.000 Yeah.

02:02:34.000 When you experience it, like one time we had to end Fear Factor.

02:02:38.000 Well, we ended filming and then I had to drive home and the entire right-hand side of the highway was on fire for an hour.

02:02:46.000 An hour.

02:02:47.000 So an hour of driving.

02:02:49.000 And you just saw nothing but fire.

02:02:52.000 And ash was raining like it was snowing.

02:02:54.000 Yeah.

02:02:54.000 Oh my God.

02:02:55.000 Ash was raining like it was snowing.

02:02:58.000 It was crazy.

02:02:59.000 And that's so common in California.

02:03:03.000 I mean, California is just a weird place in that they have fire season.

02:03:07.000 Yeah.

02:03:08.000 Because everything gets so dry, it never rains.

02:03:10.000 But those moments where you go, well, what matters?

02:03:14.000 Just your life.

02:03:15.000 Yeah.

02:03:16.000 That's what I felt in that moment.

02:03:18.000 I was like, wow, the stuff I took was just like life stuff, you know.

02:03:23.000 And oddly enough, it makes you more thankful and more connected to the people that you're with.

02:03:30.000 And you like, you realize, like, oh, this could all go away.

02:03:32.000 This could all go away at any moment.

02:03:34.000 Like, what's really important?

02:03:36.000 Love, friendship, companionship.

02:03:38.000 Like, that's what's really important.

02:03:40.000 Your health, stay alive.

02:03:41.000 That's what's really important.

02:03:42.000 All that other stuff is.

02:03:44.000 That's the thing we forget about.

02:03:45.000 Like, that's something.

02:03:46.000 Shouldn't we be living with that every day?

02:03:50.000 Yeah, but we're dumb.

02:03:51.000 We're a combination of dumb and smart.

02:03:54.000 Stupid and smart.

02:03:55.000 Where we're like, oh, I know that, but I don't know it.

02:03:58.000 And I'm not going to.

02:04:00.000 It's hard for us to keep those things, which is why a lot of people like meditating, because it like refreshes their idea of what's important and what's real and how much of what's going on in their life.

02:04:10.000 They're just sort of caught up in the momentum of these things to the point where they're not thinking about it anymore.

02:04:14.000 They're just doing it.

02:04:16.000 I think most of us end up becoming just like doers, right?

02:04:20.000 And I come from the land of meditation, but I've never, like, my mind works so fast.

02:04:26.000 I don't know if it's my ADHD or what it is, but I find it really hard to sit and meditate.

02:04:32.000 I feel like, but from my limited understanding, I think meditation really is being able to take time in the day.

02:04:41.000 Now, whatever your version of that might be, it doesn't necessarily mean to sit with a guru or like chant, you know, do chanting or whatever.

02:04:49.000 It just needs to, like, even if you're taking time to go work out or read a book or just taking time out of the mundane nature of life and just giving yourself a second for your thoughts to clear.

02:05:04.000 I think that's what I try to do.

02:05:06.000 Yeah.

02:05:06.000 Hit the brakes on the momentum.

02:05:08.000 Yeah, just for a minute.

02:05:09.000 Just catch your breath and think.

02:05:11.000 Think about things.

02:05:12.000 And just because so many people, they're just so caught up in either goals or a path or a career or whatever it is that's leading them or their bills.

02:05:22.000 they can't keep up with their bills so they're just like all right life stuff you know yeah Yeah.

02:05:26.000 And it's actually a luxury to be able to have the time to waste.

02:05:33.000 You know, there's, we work so hard in life.

02:05:35.000 Everyone is trying to survive, you know, be a parent, pay bills, like just adulting stuff can get so overwhelming.

02:05:44.000 And then the nature of the world on top of that.

02:05:47.000 But I always feel like I never take for granted when I have a little bit of time where I can just not think or have an agenda, but just be with my family and just like sort of languidly let it waste.

02:06:04.000 Just, what are we going to do?

02:06:05.000 No plans.

02:06:06.000 Let's order some food.

02:06:08.000 Let's like the greatest treasure.

02:06:08.000 Let's watch a movie.

02:06:11.000 Phones have filled in those gaps.

02:06:12.000 Yeah.

02:06:13.000 And that's what I'm doing.

02:06:14.000 I try to be aware of that, though.

02:06:15.000 Yeah.

02:06:16.000 You know, I think like, of course, you can always have your phone, but I like to be aware of, oh, this is a moment where I don't need to have my phone.

02:06:24.000 So it's okay.

02:06:25.000 It'll be blown up by the time I come back.

02:06:27.000 There'll be 300 messages.

02:06:28.000 I know that.

02:06:29.000 I'm aware of it.

02:06:30.000 But I mentally check my, you know, and I put it away.

02:06:33.000 Yeah.

02:06:34.000 That's smart.

02:06:34.000 Yeah.

02:06:35.000 Most people don't do that.

02:06:37.000 It's not easy.

02:06:38.000 Because our whole lives are on there.

02:06:38.000 No.

02:06:40.000 And there's so much, again, like real-time information that's coming at you.

02:06:45.000 It's also this weird dopamine poll that's very minor.

02:06:49.000 Like it's not giving you any.

02:06:50.000 If you look to your phone, every time you look to your phone, you're like, oh, my God, I feel so good.

02:06:55.000 Oh, my God.

02:06:55.000 I feel so relaxed.

02:06:56.000 You know, like just an amazing burst of joy every time.

02:06:59.000 But you don't even get that.

02:07:00.000 You just get this little, huh?

02:07:02.000 Well, that's crazy.

02:07:03.000 What's next?

02:07:03.000 What's that?

02:07:06.000 What's next?

02:07:06.000 Keep me occupied.

02:07:07.000 Keep me from getting bored.

02:07:09.000 But imagine if you can't find your phone, the panic, like of, oh, my gosh, where is my phone?

02:07:15.000 Where is that information?

02:07:16.000 What do I do?

02:07:17.000 I never leave my house if I can't find it.

02:07:18.000 I'll be late as fuck.

02:07:21.000 I'm never going to go, I don't need that thing.

02:07:23.000 What?

02:07:23.000 I'm just going to drive with no phone.

02:07:26.000 With no phone.

02:07:26.000 What if someone needs to contact me?

02:07:28.000 That's crazy.

02:07:28.000 That's nuts.

02:07:29.000 That's nutty talk.

02:07:31.000 Yeah, but meanwhile, that was every day when I was younger.

02:07:34.000 It was a normal thing.

02:07:35.000 Just drove.

02:07:36.000 Just left the house.

02:07:37.000 I don't even remember what life was like without those phones.

02:07:41.000 Also, I don't know how to go anywhere.

02:07:42.000 Yeah.

02:07:42.000 I don't know how to get anywhere unless I have my navigation.

02:07:45.000 I literally have no idea how to go anywhere.

02:07:48.000 I anyway feel like I have dyslexia when it comes to directions, but without navigation, zero.

02:07:53.000 It's impossible.

02:07:54.000 I know no one's phone number.

02:07:55.000 I know my friend Eddie's phone number by heart because I knew it before the phones.

02:07:59.000 He's had the same phone forever.

02:08:01.000 And I know my wife's phone number and I know like at least one of my daughter's phone numbers.

02:08:07.000 But I can't remember.

02:08:08.000 I know my mom's.

02:08:10.000 I had to memorize my husband's number.

02:08:12.000 Like I didn't remember it for years and he was like, you don't remember my number?

02:08:17.000 Well, it's like on the phone.

02:08:19.000 You press the button.

02:08:20.000 Why would I need to remember it?

02:08:22.000 But then I memorized it because I was like, you never know, you know, I'll use my phone.

02:08:25.000 I need to he's my emergency contact, right?

02:08:28.000 I need to remember.

02:08:29.000 That's what he was like.

02:08:30.000 I think you should maybe remember my number and your social security.

02:08:34.000 Yeah, Social Security I've memorized.

02:08:36.000 But I used to, when I was a kid, I had every number memorized.

02:08:38.000 I knew all my friends' numbers.

02:08:40.000 How cool, me too.

02:08:41.000 Yeah.

02:08:42.000 Was it because the numbers were shorter then?

02:08:44.000 No, there was same number.

02:08:44.000 No.

02:08:46.000 We had few fewer numbers.

02:08:49.000 You had to remember them.

02:08:50.000 There was no other option unless you had a fucking address book.

02:08:53.000 Like, I used to have an address book.

02:08:54.000 I had an address book.

02:08:55.000 Yeah, a little tiny book.

02:08:56.000 And it was all the little tabs were R-S-T.

02:08:59.000 You know, like you'd go through it.

02:09:01.000 I was very proud of my little address book, by the way.

02:09:03.000 Everyone's numbers.

02:09:04.000 I was very organized about it.

02:09:06.000 I had it in alphabetical order.

02:09:08.000 Yeah.

02:09:08.000 I remember when I'd get a new one, I'd be like, God, I got to write all these down again.

02:09:12.000 And you'd go through it, make sure you got them all.

02:09:14.000 But yeah.

02:09:15.000 How analog was our life?

02:09:16.000 How crazy.

02:09:18.000 Well, I'm older than you, so I remember when you used to have to press the phone, the wheel, when you have to dial.

02:09:23.000 Wow.

02:09:26.000 And if you fucked up somewhere, you had to redo the whole thing.

02:09:28.000 Yes, the whole thing.

02:09:30.000 I remember that.

02:09:31.000 My grandfather used to have that phone.

02:09:32.000 We used to love it.

02:09:34.000 the whole yeah I mean, that's all inside of a lifetime.

02:09:40.000 And now here we are where who knows what's going to happen.

02:09:44.000 And what's coming.

02:09:46.000 We can't even keep up with the technology that is coming now.

02:09:50.000 You were talking about something, and I was like, we haven't been able to cure some of the deadliest diseases that have plagued mankind.

02:10:00.000 But technology has gone so far and so many other aspects.

02:10:04.000 There's also the financial incentive is not to cure, it's to treat.

02:10:09.000 Which is unfortunate.

02:10:09.000 Of course.

02:10:10.000 I mean, one of the.

02:10:11.000 That's what makes the most sense.

02:10:13.000 A guy who used to work at Pfizer said that if we ever came up with some sort of a, I think it was Pfizer, one of the pharmaceutical control companies said if we ever came up with a cure, they buried it.

02:10:21.000 He goes, we don't want cures.

02:10:23.000 I mean, that's the conspiracy.

02:10:24.000 I lost my dad to cancer, and I kept thinking about like, how is it possible that we live in a world where technology is able to provide so much to us and not be able to have cures to diseases like that?

02:10:39.000 Well, it's also very strange that we financially incentivize companies in weird ways to keep us sick.

02:10:49.000 Like if you make more money if people are sick and they need more medication, unfortunately, there's a financial incentive to keep people sick.

02:10:59.000 Like you would like them to be more sick.

02:11:01.000 That way you make more money.

02:11:03.000 And if you are a CEO of a corporation, you actually have an obligation to your shareholders to make more money.

02:11:07.000 So if you know of something, like, you know, all these people need to do is just stop doing that.

02:11:12.000 If I just put that on my sub stack and then they go, oh, this will kill our stock, I'll keep it to myself.

02:11:17.000 That's crazy.

02:11:18.000 That's crazy.

02:11:19.000 Yeah.

02:11:20.000 It's demonic.

02:11:21.000 What the fuck?

02:11:22.000 It's kind of demonic.

02:11:25.000 There's weird aspects.

02:11:26.000 Like, I don't know if I really believe in demons, but I definitely believe in demonic acts.

02:11:31.000 And there's certain things that human beings have done and do do that are very demonic.

02:11:37.000 Like if you were possessed by a demon, you would drop a nuclear bomb on a city.

02:11:41.000 You know, the demon would go, there's only one way to stop this.

02:11:45.000 You got to kill everybody in that city.

02:11:47.000 Just drop it.

02:11:48.000 Drop it.

02:11:48.000 And like, that's why you would do it.

02:11:50.000 Like, I'm not saying that's why it was done, but I was saying, but I am saying that if a demon could convince you to drop a nuclear bomb, because a person with a conscience would be like, well, these are just people down there.

02:12:01.000 They have nothing to do with this war.

02:12:02.000 It doesn't make any sense at all.

02:12:04.000 These are just people living their lives, and they have their families, and we're just going to incinerate an entire city with one bomb that I drop out of a plane.

02:12:12.000 That's crazy.

02:12:14.000 You just press a button.

02:12:15.000 Yeah.

02:12:17.000 And as technology advances, it gets easier and easier to do that.

02:12:20.000 Yeah.

02:12:21.000 You know, in these war games that they've played with AI, they've used nuclear weapons almost every time they could.

02:12:30.000 Oh, my God.

02:12:31.000 Yeah.

02:12:32.000 They have no reason.

02:12:33.000 If they want to achieve a result, and they realize they have a nuclear weapon, why wouldn't I use that?

02:12:38.000 Use that.

02:12:39.000 So I think it was like something like 90 plus percent of the time they've done these war games, these simulated war games, the AI programs have used nuclear weapons.

02:12:51.000 To them, it's like, I don't understand.

02:12:53.000 You're going to kill 100,000 people over a course of five years of programming.

02:12:58.000 Yeah, might as well just do it now.

02:13:00.000 Right.

02:13:00.000 Do it once.

02:13:01.000 Like, if they had done what's happened to Gaza, if they had done that with one bomb instead of thousands of bombs, would that be somehow less humane?

02:13:13.000 Would that be more barbaric?

02:13:14.000 If Israel just said, oh, okay, we're going to nuke Gaza, the world would have gone crazy.

02:13:20.000 They would have been like, you can't do that.

02:13:22.000 This is horrible.

02:13:23.000 I mean, the world has already gone kind of crazy for what they did do.

02:13:26.000 But if they achieved the exact same result, but instantaneously, instead of over a course of a couple of years, how do you think people would react?

02:13:34.000 It's kind of weird.

02:13:35.000 All of it is awful.

02:13:36.000 It's horrible.

02:13:40.000 Just the capacity of the thing also is when you think about what drives human beings to do the things that they do, right?

02:13:52.000 It's the devil talking to you, the conflict of interest within yourself, but also thousands of years of history, isn't it?

02:14:01.000 Yeah.

02:14:02.000 And we've become accustomed to it.

02:14:05.000 Yeah.

02:14:06.000 It's normal.

02:14:06.000 Like it's normalized for us so much, but it's like there's so many aspects to every conflict, which is so hard to simplify into why.

02:14:20.000 Not only that, there's a lot of stuff that's going on behind the scenes that you're never privy to.

02:14:24.000 So you just get narratives that are fed to you by bureaucrats and politicians and whatever little information that comes at you.

02:14:31.000 Yeah.

02:14:32.000 And so, you know, and then there's this, in this country in particular, there's the right versus the left.

02:14:38.000 And the left will blame it on the right, and the right will blame it on the left.

02:14:41.000 And then, you know, everybody has these very convenient CNN, Fox News narratives that they'll repeat at coffee, you know, coffee shops and cocktail parties.

02:14:52.000 And you pretend that you're making sense out of this thing when you don't even really know what's going on behind the scenes.

02:14:56.000 That's why I really feel like I feel like a lot of times we've been given a platform to talk, right, with social media.

02:15:05.000 Like everyone can talk.

02:15:07.000 And there's a power to that.

02:15:09.000 But there's also a big misuse of it where you really don't know and you're not the authority on perspective at all because there is so much that you would probably not know of history and the geography and of why people behave the way the way they are behaving.

02:15:32.000 So I like to, unless I'm the expert on something, which I'm not on anything except my job, that's too limited.

02:15:41.000 You know, I just try to kind of have a larger understanding from a human perspective.

02:15:47.000 But that's a great sign of intelligence because there's no way you can know everything about everything.

02:15:52.000 And with certain things, especially a global conflict, you're like, what is happening?

02:15:56.000 Like, why is this going on?

02:15:58.000 Like, I was telling you about when I went on the deep dive of the East India Corporation.

02:16:02.000 I never had any idea that they went to war with China over opium.

02:16:07.000 Yeah.

02:16:08.000 Got them addicted first.

02:16:09.000 Yeah.

02:16:10.000 Got them addicted.

02:16:11.000 Went to war with China.

02:16:12.000 Stole Hong Kong.

02:16:13.000 Yeah.

02:16:14.000 Like, what?

02:16:16.000 The gravity of manipulation in human history is insane.

02:16:24.000 Like, even when the East India Company and they started with trading with India too, many, many years ago, we just got.

02:16:31.000 We started innocent.

02:16:32.000 We were friends.

02:16:32.000 Yeah, completely.

02:16:33.000 We're, you know, allies.

02:16:35.000 We're friends with all the royalty in India.

02:16:37.000 There were so many royals in India and royal.

02:16:40.000 Each state had their own kings and princes and became friends with everyone, started with tea, started with trading tea and spices, and then just went into, you know, I mean, we got our independence in 1947, which was, it's not even 100 years since we've got our independence.

02:16:57.000 It's that recent.

02:16:58.000 But you think about just within the last century, there were, you know, signs which said Indians and dogs not allowed in India by the British.

02:17:12.000 Like within this century.

02:17:14.000 Indians and dogs.

02:17:16.000 In India.

02:17:17.000 Wow.

02:17:18.000 Isn't that crazy?

02:17:20.000 And this is like the this is not even like this is the head of the iceberg.

02:17:25.000 There's so much more when you do a deep dive into the history of colonization, which is why this movie was also so interesting to me because it touches on the themes of the colonized and the story from their perspective, which is not a lot of what we hear.

02:17:43.000 No, not at all.

02:17:45.000 I mean, there's a lot of great historical elements in that.

02:17:49.000 Just the pirate thing alone, the fact that most of the time in human history when a boat showed up, there was a real fucking problem.

02:17:55.000 Yeah.

02:17:56.000 And what real, real pirates, like we've gotten so used to, you know, with the Disney version of the pirates, and I love the pirates of the Caribbean movies, don't get me wrong, they're so fun.

02:18:05.000 But like the pirate jokes and whatever, but they were fucking brutal.

02:18:10.000 They were murderers.

02:18:12.000 Like horrific monsters.

02:18:14.000 Horrible life.

02:18:16.000 Yeah, I had a joke about that once.

02:18:17.000 Like, why is it okay to be a pirate for Halloween?

02:18:20.000 You know how crazy it is for little kids?

02:18:22.000 Yeah.

02:18:23.000 You're a murderer rapist.

02:18:25.000 Yeah.

02:18:26.000 Oh, look at his little hook.

02:18:28.000 He lost his hand raping.

02:18:31.000 I mean, that was what the pirates were.

02:18:33.000 They were monsters.

02:18:34.000 They were horrific monsters.

02:18:36.000 And they would travel around the world just stealing people's stuff and killing everybody.

02:18:40.000 Yeah, and that happened for thousands.

02:18:43.000 And helping with colonization for years.

02:18:46.000 And the fact that they were soldiers for the East India Corporation, they were actually working for them to go take over these areas.

02:18:52.000 And the best soldiers from around the world.

02:18:54.000 Yeah, mercenaries.

02:18:55.000 The best mercenaries, murderers from around the world.

02:18:58.000 They had a larger army than most European countries.

02:19:00.000 Yeah, so.

02:19:01.000 A corporation.

02:19:02.000 Yeah.

02:19:03.000 And an army.

02:19:05.000 Yeah.

02:19:05.000 Yeah, essentially.

02:19:07.000 But started off just trading, just super innocent.

02:19:10.000 Hi, I'm your friend, and I'm here for your band.

02:19:12.000 And they would be so respectful with the former kings and queens.

02:19:17.000 And it's wild the manipulation of it.

02:19:21.000 Well, it's also wild how when you do have an obligation to your shareholders and you do have this mandate to just constantly make more money, the morals go out the window.

02:19:31.000 And next thing you know, East India Corporation is involved in slavery.

02:19:34.000 Yeah, they used to call it divide and conquer, where they would get all the princes of each state to fight amongst each other.

02:19:41.000 So instead of India being collective and together, she was divided between everyone fighting for each other so they could take over.

02:19:51.000 It's like mental games.

02:19:53.000 Well, that's what people think is going on in America right now.

02:19:55.000 I mean, I think that's the manipulation of the right versus the left here.

02:19:58.000 When most people kind of want the same thing, they just want to be healthy and safe and have their families healthy and safe.

02:20:07.000 And do your job and come back home.

02:20:09.000 That's what most people want.

02:20:10.000 But then the division is like constantly in the news.

02:20:14.000 It's constant struggle.

02:20:15.000 It's the only thing that you hear about.

02:20:17.000 Yeah.

02:20:19.000 We're both dumb and stupid.

02:20:21.000 And smart.

02:20:22.000 Smart and stupid at the same time.

02:20:24.000 Stupid at the same time, but more dumb.

02:20:27.000 And that's the other thing about technology.

02:20:28.000 It allows you to stay dumb because everything's done for you.

02:20:32.000 You don't really have to think outside the box that much.

02:20:36.000 Everything's kind of laid out for you.

02:20:38.000 Yeah, like if you think about AI in Hollywood now.

02:20:41.000 That's weird, right?

02:20:42.000 It's like if you're in writers' rooms, it's used as a tool.

02:20:49.000 But I was listening to that podcast with Ben and Matt on your show, and you guys were talking about, you know, like basically everything that AI has or the information that it provides to you is an average of everything that's out there, right?

02:21:06.000 So it'll never be excellent because it's the average of all the information out there.

02:21:12.000 So it's like trying to do a median.

02:21:14.000 But I'm just thinking about how it's become a tool that is going to exist in our world.

02:21:23.000 And now the question is the morality of it and the lines that we draw where we protect human beings and human contribution and are able to delineate the difference between what is created by AI and what is not, you know?

02:21:40.000 And the need for, I think, human flaws are something that I don't know if AI will be able to recreate anytime soon.

02:21:52.000 And that, like, in art, that's what you need, right?

02:21:57.000 Yeah, you'll get facsimiles.

02:21:59.000 Yeah.

02:21:59.000 But you won't get the real thing.

02:22:00.000 It's like the hollowness of AI music.

02:22:03.000 AI music is really fun, but after a while you realize there's not a dude singing this.

02:22:08.000 And there's not like a soul to it.

02:22:10.000 It's weird.

02:22:10.000 It's empty.

02:22:11.000 Yeah.

02:22:12.000 So far, but who knows?

02:22:12.000 Yeah.

02:22:13.000 That's the problem.

02:22:15.000 It could figure out a way to manipulate that part of your brain that reproduces whatever soulful music is or whatever the soul is.

02:22:24.000 Yeah, I mean, I was thinking about being an actor.

02:22:27.000 I was like, is that going to be obsolete?

02:22:29.000 obsolete in the next like 10 years?

02:22:32.000 Are we going to be watching It kind of could be Yeah, are we going to be watching really good AI actors?

02:22:41.000 Probably.

02:22:43.000 We need to find a new job.

02:22:45.000 Well, I think a lot of people are going to have to find a new job.

02:22:47.000 I think live performances, plays, and musicals and stuff like that, people are always going to want to see people do something live.

02:22:54.000 For sure.

02:22:54.000 Yeah.

02:22:55.000 But when it comes to cinema, especially because I feel like audiences also love larger-than-life cinema, right?

02:23:04.000 Like we go to the theaters to watch this big shit.

02:23:07.000 We loved when VFX came into movies.

02:23:11.000 We loved the imagination being able to be so big.

02:23:15.000 I do think AI helps in a big way to take away the burdens of The minutiae of things that we might have to do as a tool, which it can do, like a breakdown of a script or whatever.

02:23:30.000 But I think when it comes to like creating the human, like human fragility of life and story, it is still a little bit away from being able to do that.

02:23:41.000 Yeah, I think it's always going to be like pop.

02:23:45.000 Yeah.

02:23:45.000 It's never going to create like taxi driver.

02:23:48.000 Yeah.

02:23:49.000 Yeah.

02:23:50.000 You need, I mean, but I might be wrong about that too.

02:23:53.000 Yeah.

02:23:53.000 Who knows?

02:23:53.000 It might not even matter by the time it starts taking over all of our resources.

02:23:58.000 I'm so curious actually to see how many conversations that everyone, all of us have had about, you know, this emergence of AI and how that like stays 10 years later.

02:24:09.000 Are we like this, did this age well?

02:24:11.000 Probably not.

02:24:12.000 Did I know what I was talking about?

02:24:14.000 We probably have no idea what's going on.

02:24:15.000 No, no chance.

02:24:17.000 We didn't have any idea about this.

02:24:19.000 Like where we would be right now.

02:24:20.000 We might be Dr. Manhattan floating over the country telling us what to do.

02:24:24.000 Yeah.

02:24:25.000 It's possible.

02:24:27.000 I don't know.

02:24:28.000 But thank you for being here.

02:24:30.000 I really enjoyed it.

02:24:30.000 It was a really fun conversation.

02:24:32.000 And I really enjoyed your movie.

02:24:32.000 Thank you.

02:24:33.000 It was crazy violent.

02:24:35.000 I didn't expect that, but very exciting and very good.

02:24:37.000 Thank you for taking me around the world and everywhere else.

02:24:40.000 We time traveled.

02:24:42.000 We talked about the whole world.

02:24:43.000 We went into history.

02:24:44.000 We went into the future.

02:24:46.000 It was awesome.

02:24:47.000 Well, congratulations to you and continued success.

02:24:50.000 Thank you, Joe.

02:24:50.000 Thank you.

02:24:51.000 Thank you, Michael.

02:24:51.000 I really enjoyed it.

02:24:52.000 All right.

The Joe Rogan Experience - March 05, 2026

Joe Rogan Experience #2464 - Priyanka Chopra Jonas

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