The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2468 - Luke Grimes

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00:00:14.000 Yeah, I've been listening to the show for years.

00:00:14.000 Is it?

00:00:17.000 Well, I've been watching your show for years.

00:00:18.000 Are we rolling, Jamie?

00:00:18.000 Yeah.

00:00:19.000 All right, beautiful. 1.00

00:00:20.000 I love your fucking show. 1.00

00:00:22.000 It's great. 1.00

00:00:22.000 Oh, thanks, man. 1.00

00:00:23.000 It's really awesome, man.

00:00:24.000 Well, I haven't watched Marshalls yet.

00:00:26.000 Is it out now?

00:00:27.000 When did it come out?

00:00:27.000 It is.

00:00:29.000 March 1st.

00:00:30.000 Oh, okay.

00:00:30.000 So they just had the second episode air.

00:00:32.000 I like the binge, man.

00:00:34.000 I like to wait.

00:00:35.000 Wait a little bit.

00:00:36.000 I like to sit down and binge them.

00:00:36.000 Stay offline.

00:00:38.000 For sure. 0.98

00:00:39.000 Yeah, but Yellowstone's fucking awesome. 0.97

00:00:41.000 It's such a great show. 0.94

00:00:42.000 Did you have any idea it was going to be what it is?

00:00:46.000 Not no.

00:00:46.000 I don't think anybody did.

00:00:47.000 I thought it would find an audience for sure.

00:00:49.000 I mean, Taylor was really, you know, hot at the time.

00:00:52.000 He'd been nominated for Oscars, and I was kind of like surprised he was even writing a television show.

00:00:59.000 He was just like so hot in the film. 0.99

00:01:01.000 How the fuck does that guy even sleep? 0.99

00:01:04.000 I don't know, man. 0.99

00:01:05.000 Where does he have the time?

00:01:06.000 Every time I look in the news or there's a new show that he's doing, a new thing he's doing, it's like, how are you doing all this?

00:01:13.000 It's impressive.

00:01:16.000 There's a lot of people I've worked with where they do things that are impressive, but his is impossible.

00:01:21.000 Right.

00:01:21.000 You know, like some would be like, could you direct a movie as good as Unforgiven?

00:01:25.000 I'm like, maybe, maybe if I tried real hard, like, could you write 10 television shows single-handedly?

00:01:31.000 No, no way, not possible.

00:01:33.000 He directed Unforgiven?

00:01:35.000 No, I'm just saying, like, people that I look up to that I'm impressed by.

00:01:38.000 It's like his is a different level.

00:01:40.000 His is like, it's like impossible.

00:01:40.000 Right.

00:01:42.000 Who did direct Unforgiven?

00:01:44.000 Clinic Switzer. 0.99

00:01:45.000 That's the fucking greatest Western movie of all time. 0.99

00:01:47.000 It is. 0.99

00:01:47.000 It's the best. 0.99

00:01:48.000 Yeah.

00:01:48.000 It's like, you know what it was like to me?

00:01:50.000 It was like he was making up for all the silly Westerns and was like, let me show you what it was probably really like.

00:01:59.000 Yeah. 0.66

00:02:00.000 What was really like when a man was about to get shot?

00:02:02.000 What was really like when a dude was a stone cold killer?

00:02:06.000 What was it really like the hardships of living back then? 0.98

00:02:09.000 Yeah, and it's interesting too because he starts out kind of a loser.

00:02:13.000 Yeah.

00:02:13.000 Those first, you know, like the first three quarters of the movie, he's this sort of timid guy who's lost his power, you know, and then he takes that one sip of whiskey.

00:02:23.000 It's all over for everybody else.

00:02:26.000 It's a crazy premise.

00:02:27.000 It's such a good movie, bro. 1.00

00:02:28.000 It's such a good fucking movie, man. 1.00

00:02:30.000 But yeah, Taylor is a, he's a real freak. 0.99

00:02:33.000 And there's not a lot of humans like him.

00:02:35.000 And it's his background story so interesting.

00:02:38.000 You know, like he was just kind of scrambling around till he was almost like 40.

00:02:42.000 Yeah.

00:02:43.000 It's like a real life Rocky story or something, like rags to riches, the whole, the whole thing.

00:02:48.000 I know, man.

00:02:48.000 It's just, I just don't, I guess that's why he has so much ambition because he knows what it's like to be poor.

00:02:54.000 You know, he knows what it's like to like barely make it.

00:02:54.000 Right.

00:02:57.000 Right. 0.99

00:02:57.000 And then all of a sudden he's got a kid on the way and he's like, oh shit, I got to buckle down and really get moving. 0.99

00:03:04.000 And he kept his foot on the gas. 0.99

00:03:06.000 Absolutely.

00:03:07.000 Do you guys keep in touch?

00:03:08.000 Yeah.

00:03:08.000 His buddies?

00:03:09.000 Yeah, all the time.

00:03:10.000 I love Taylor, man.

00:03:11.000 I love him.

00:03:11.000 He's an awesome dude.

00:03:12.000 I just worry about him.

00:03:14.000 He does so much. 1.00

00:03:16.000 Don't have a fucking heart attack, man. 1.00

00:03:17.000 Don't go crazy. 1.00

00:03:18.000 You know what's weird is he does have a good time, too.

00:03:22.000 It's not like he doesn't hang out with his family or friends.

00:03:25.000 That's the craziest thing to me is like the guy has a really fun life and is able to do all that.

00:03:31.000 I guess the moral of the story is don't play golf.

00:03:36.000 That'll take up all your time. 1.00

00:03:37.000 No shit, man. 0.99

00:03:39.000 Tell that to Jamie. 1.00

00:03:40.000 If I can get out once a week, it's great. 0.95

00:03:43.000 He's an addict. 0.99

00:03:44.000 Jamie's an addict. 0.99

00:03:45.000 He's got a simulator back there. 0.90

00:03:46.000 He's always whacking golf balls.

00:03:48.000 Yeah, all my friends are trying to get me to play.

00:03:50.000 I'm like, I'm not doing it, man.

00:03:51.000 That's a six-hour commitment. 0.99

00:03:52.000 Fucking. 1.00

00:03:53.000 Oh, man. 0.99

00:03:54.000 The amount of time it takes to get good enough that it's not the worst thing ever is too much time.

00:03:59.000 Right.

00:04:00.000 And my problem is I'm an addict.

00:04:02.000 Like when I start doing things, I just start like, okay, I need to play in the PGA.

00:04:09.000 I start going crazy.

00:04:10.000 I'll start getting lessons.

00:04:12.000 Yeah, don't do it. 1.00

00:04:12.000 Fuck that. 1.00

00:04:13.000 We need your show, man. 1.00

00:04:14.000 We need you.

00:04:15.000 Well, I'm never doing it.

00:04:17.000 We can do both.

00:04:17.000 No, Try it.

00:04:20.000 I mean, try it.

00:04:21.000 Try it out.

00:04:22.000 No, I know. 0.99

00:04:23.000 All my friends who play fucking love it. 0.98

00:04:26.000 Ron White and Tony Hinchcliffe, they go out every day. 0.97

00:04:28.000 It's like, it's too much, man.

00:04:30.000 I can't do it.

00:04:31.000 Yeah.

00:04:32.000 Yeah.

00:04:32.000 You can't play golf and do what Taylor's doing.

00:04:34.000 That's for damn sure.

00:04:35.000 No way. 0.98

00:04:36.000 No. 0.99

00:04:37.000 But how the fuck is Trump doing it? 0.98

00:04:39.000 Like, he's in the middle of everything. 0.99

00:04:40.000 He's always playing golf.

00:04:42.000 But that's sort of the criticism, right?

00:04:44.000 He's playing too much golf and not running the country enough.

00:04:46.000 But don't they say that about every president?

00:04:48.000 Yeah.

00:04:49.000 I think it's almost like a prerequisite to be president.

00:04:51.000 You have to play golf.

00:04:53.000 You know?

00:04:53.000 Don't they all do it?

00:04:54.000 I guess so.

00:04:55.000 It's like one of those weird businessmen things.

00:04:57.000 Like they make deals out there.

00:04:59.000 They have a couple of cocktails. 1.00

00:05:00.000 They talk a little shit. 1.00

00:05:02.000 Right. 1.00

00:05:02.000 Do a bump. 1.00

00:05:03.000 Not my thing.

00:05:04.000 Make some deals.

00:05:05.000 I just don't.

00:05:06.000 Something about being on like a manicured lawn.

00:05:06.000 I don't know.

00:05:09.000 I don't know.

00:05:09.000 I don't want to be out in the middle of nowhere.

00:05:11.000 I'm sure I'd love it.

00:05:13.000 I'm sure, which is why I don't do it.

00:05:16.000 But I play pool, and I'm addicted to pool.

00:05:19.000 Like, I play pool all the time.

00:05:21.000 It's a real problem.

00:05:22.000 When I lived in New York, I was playing like eight hours a day.

00:05:24.000 Yeah.

00:05:24.000 I was playing in tournaments.

00:05:25.000 I was traveling around.

00:05:26.000 I was like, I can't get another thing like that in my life.

00:05:31.000 Are you done playing pool?

00:05:32.000 No, I play all the time.

00:05:33.000 Yeah.

00:05:33.000 Oh, okay.

00:05:34.000 But you could play pool for like a couple hours and stop.

00:05:36.000 Maybe I'll try that.

00:05:38.000 Pool's fun.

00:05:38.000 Yeah.

00:05:39.000 Yeah.

00:05:39.000 Like real pool, like tournament pool, like competitive, like real tournament pool.

00:05:44.000 It's legit.

00:05:45.000 But it's like, it's another thing.

00:05:48.000 It'll get in your blood, and then you'll be thinking about it all the time and watching videos and taking lessons.

00:05:54.000 I'm ready for something, though.

00:05:56.000 Yeah.

00:05:57.000 Not golf.

00:05:57.000 Pool sounds like.

00:05:59.000 Well, you have music and you have acting.

00:06:02.000 Like you said, that's got to be kind of hard to manage.

00:06:06.000 Yeah, it's proving pretty difficult.

00:06:07.000 And I have an 18-month-old mix.

00:06:10.000 Yeah.

00:06:10.000 So no sleep.

00:06:12.000 Yeah, we're getting there.

00:06:14.000 The music thing is sort of, it's kind of nice because there's not a lot of pressure on it.

00:06:19.000 You know, for me, I have a day job.

00:06:22.000 You know, I have this thing that supports my family.

00:06:24.000 And the music I can do to like my passion level.

00:06:29.000 You know, and I and I wouldn't do it to the point where I'm like away from my family too much.

00:06:33.000 You know, so I can, I like making the music.

00:06:35.000 Touring is kind of hard and it's also new for me.

00:06:39.000 So learning how to do that at 40 was kind of interesting.

00:06:43.000 You know, I feel like in my 20s, that would have been the most fun ever.

00:06:47.000 Sleeping on a bus with 12 dudes and just going from city to city and drinking backstage and playing country music.

00:06:47.000 Yeah.

00:06:54.000 That would have been a blast.

00:06:55.000 But I'm, you know, I'm too old for to do that the right way.

00:06:59.000 Yeah.

00:07:00.000 When you tour, do you go out or do you do like a weekend and then come back?

00:07:05.000 When you're on a full-blown tour, the way that it financially works the best is to just stay kind of going.

00:07:10.000 So you're doing like three shows like Thursday, Friday, Saturday, because you've got the bus rented, you've got all the equipment rented, you've got the guys, you know, on salary.

00:07:19.000 So you just have to keep going.

00:07:21.000 It's actually really hard for it to pencil out when you're just doing a show here and there.

00:07:26.000 Right.

00:07:27.000 Yeah.

00:07:29.000 That's stand-up comedy is so much easier in that regard.

00:07:31.000 I've only done one stand-up comedy tour tour.

00:07:35.000 I did it with Charlie Murphy and John Heffron.

00:07:38.000 We did this Bud Light Maxim tour back in 2007 and we did like 22 dates in a month.

00:07:45.000 And so it was like, I'd wake up and I wouldn't know where I was.

00:07:49.000 I'd look at the ceiling. 0.99

00:07:50.000 I'm going, where the fuck am I? 0.99

00:07:53.000 I would have to think, uh, Columbus. 0.99

00:07:56.000 You know, I'd have to like go through my head and figure out where I am when I woke up.

00:08:00.000 Was there ever like a period of stage fright when you started doing stand-up?

00:08:04.000 Oh, yeah.

00:08:05.000 Yeah.

00:08:06.000 The first day.

00:08:07.000 I was more afraid the first time I got on stage than I was the first time I fought.

00:08:13.000 It was nuts.

00:08:14.000 Yeah.

00:08:15.000 I was like, why am I so nervous?

00:08:17.000 I was like, I was thinking about chicken and out.

00:08:19.000 I was thinking about not doing it.

00:08:21.000 I do that every time I play a music show.

00:08:23.000 I'm like, can I just call it off?

00:08:26.000 Do you still get stage fright right now?

00:08:28.000 Really?

00:08:28.000 Really bad.

00:08:29.000 Well, that's the thing, man.

00:08:30.000 I'd always played music.

00:08:32.000 And when I was playing in bands and playing out, I was the drummer.

00:08:35.000 Oh.

00:08:36.000 But I always wrote songs and stuff, but I never thought, I had never had ambition around like, I want to be the guy in front of the microphone.

00:08:41.000 That was never, you know, the plan.

00:08:44.000 And then, you know, to be able to make an album, which I wanted to do, you have to go stand in front of the microphone.

00:08:49.000 And that's the hard part for me.

00:08:50.000 I love being in the studio.

00:08:51.000 I love writing the songs.

00:08:52.000 I love making the music, recording the music.

00:08:54.000 But there's something about knowing that all these people have shown up and bought a ticket to see you.

00:09:00.000 And you're like, all of a sudden, this thing starts happening in me where like they bought a ticket, imposter syndrome.

00:09:06.000 You're not good enough for them to have spent their money.

00:09:08.000 You know, it's just this whole thing. 0.99

00:09:09.000 And it's like, dude, shut up. 0.97

00:09:11.000 I know it's going to be okay, but it doesn't matter. 0.98

00:09:14.000 Every time I still get a little bit of the, you know.

00:09:16.000 I think everybody who's sane gets imposter syndrome.

00:09:20.000 Yeah.

00:09:21.000 Okay.

00:09:21.000 Everybody that I've talked to that's sane.

00:09:23.000 It's like the really kooky ones.

00:09:25.000 Like, I don't think Kanye's ever gotten imposter syndrome.

00:09:29.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:09:31.000 It's like, I'm going to be also, he's a genius.

00:09:34.000 It's like the ones who were sane, it doesn't make any sense.

00:09:39.000 Like, none of it makes any sense.

00:09:41.000 Well, I get it in droves.

00:09:41.000 Yeah.

00:09:43.000 And way more for the music than the acting.

00:09:45.000 But it's, again, I've been acting and filming TV for over 20 years now.

00:09:50.000 When did you first get on stage to sing?

00:09:52.000 How old were you?

00:09:54.000 The very first show I played.

00:09:56.000 I was 39.

00:09:58.000 Oh, my God.

00:10:00.000 Yeah.

00:10:01.000 Like, I had done karaoke before, right?

00:10:05.000 But, you know, it kind of came about in the weirdest way.

00:10:09.000 I literally was on set one day and get a call out of the blue from this manager, this music manager, Matt Graham, who's a great manager and a really good friend of mine.

00:10:17.000 But he called and said, hey, I know you don't know who I am, but I know that you're a musician.

00:10:23.000 And, you know, I love Yellowstone.

00:10:25.000 I love you in that show.

00:10:26.000 Is that something that you would want to take seriously?

00:10:28.000 And I was like, what does that mean?

00:10:30.000 He's like, I bet I could get you a record deal.

00:10:33.000 And I was like, no, man, that's no, no, I don't want to do that.

00:10:37.000 And we talked for two years.

00:10:39.000 And over the course of the two years, I really started to trust him.

00:10:41.000 He sort of like explained to me what, you know, what would be required.

00:10:45.000 And long story short, my father passed away somewhere in there.

00:10:50.000 And sort of one of the last things he sort of conveyed to me was like, if there's anything you want to do while you're here, do it.

00:10:56.000 You know? 0.92

00:10:57.000 And something about that moment, I was like, I'm just going to fucking do it. 0.98

00:11:02.000 You know, I don't care. 0.96

00:11:04.000 What's the worst thing that can happen? 0.54

00:11:05.000 I'm another actor who made a goofy album.

00:11:07.000 Right.

00:11:08.000 So what?

00:11:08.000 I got to do it.

00:11:09.000 You know?

00:11:10.000 So I did.

00:11:11.000 And then immediately it's like, well, now you have to go tour it.

00:11:14.000 Otherwise, you know, they're not going to put up the money for you to make these things if you don't go sell it.

00:11:19.000 You know, so the tour is sort of to get the music out there and get people buying it.

00:11:24.000 And so, yeah, first show it was in Billings, Montana for, I think it was 1,200 people.

00:11:30.000 Whoa.

00:11:31.000 This place called, I think it was Pub Station.

00:11:33.000 What was that like first time doing it?

00:11:36.000 Dude, I blacked out.

00:11:38.000 Like not drinking.

00:11:39.000 Like I just blacked out on nerves, dude.

00:11:42.000 Like it, you know, it started.

00:11:44.000 My knees were shaking.

00:11:45.000 This is before I knew about like beta blockers or anything like that.

00:11:45.000 My hands were shaking.

00:11:49.000 And the show was over and I was like, how was, was that okay?

00:11:54.000 How'd that go?

00:11:55.000 And everything was good.

00:11:56.000 You know, it was good.

00:11:56.000 I was fine.

00:11:57.000 The fourth show I ever played was Stagecoach.

00:12:00.000 Whoa.

00:12:02.000 Yeah.

00:12:03.000 That's nuts.

00:12:04.000 It was crazy.

00:12:05.000 I mean, it was earlier in the day.

00:12:06.000 It's not like I had 100,000 people out there, but still, that's a big stage.

00:12:10.000 That's a big stage.

00:12:12.000 And yeah.

00:12:14.000 So, but little by little, it got somewhat better.

00:12:17.000 I don't black out anymore.

00:12:18.000 I kind of know where I'm at and I'm there.

00:12:21.000 But it's still something I deal with.

00:12:23.000 Oliver Anthony, the first show he ever played live in front of people was like 20,000 people.

00:12:29.000 It's so nuts.

00:12:30.000 That's insane.

00:12:32.000 Wasn't it like that?

00:12:32.000 It was huge, right?

00:12:33.000 It was like, it was something, it was a gigantic crowd.

00:12:36.000 I don't think I'm exaggerating because he got really famous before he ever went on tour.

00:12:42.000 That one song, Rich Men North of Richmond, that song instantly made him famous.

00:12:50.000 He wrote a rocket, dude.

00:12:52.000 That rarely happens.

00:12:54.000 Few people know that feeling.

00:12:56.000 I can't imagine.

00:12:57.000 But he was freaking out.

00:13:00.000 I became friends with him right when it was happening because he was a little lost.

00:13:04.000 And he said, a bunch of people, I go, let's talk.

00:13:07.000 So we got on the phone.

00:13:08.000 It was before he had, you know, he had gotten a ton of record deals and all these different people were saying, you know, hey, sign with me.

00:13:16.000 We'll give you X amount of money in advance.

00:13:19.000 I go, don't sign nothing.

00:13:21.000 And he was like, everybody's telling me that I got to act strike while the Iron Scott.

00:13:24.000 I go, no, I go, dude, you got talent.

00:13:28.000 You got real talent.

00:13:29.000 You're always going to have talent.

00:13:30.000 It's just a matter of putting in the work and you're going to be huge.

00:13:33.000 You don't need these people. 0.92

00:13:35.000 These people are all vampires. 1.00

00:13:36.000 They're all just trying to suck on your neck. 1.00

00:13:38.000 Don't let them. 1.00

00:13:39.000 Don't let them. 0.99

00:13:40.000 Thank God he listened because he was getting offers like $7 million and shit. 0.99

00:13:44.000 And he was a fucking heavy equipment salesman, you know? 0.99

00:13:47.000 And so then all of a sudden, he's like, what the fuck is going on? 0.99

00:13:51.000 One song with him and a guitar just standing in a field. 0.99

00:13:55.000 And that's all it took.

00:13:57.000 I mean, it's how it should be, right?

00:13:57.000 That's amazing.

00:13:58.000 I have a complete opposite story.

00:14:00.000 My story's not cool at all.

00:14:02.000 I'm like, I'm a successful actor, and I got a record deal for no reason.

00:14:05.000 Yeah, but you had a record deal because you wanted to do it because you're interested in that, too.

00:14:11.000 Like, you can do anything you want to do.

00:14:12.000 Like, just because you're a successful actor doesn't mean you can't do it.

00:14:16.000 Right.

00:14:17.000 But I think, you know, a lot of the thing with music is the story of the person.

00:14:21.000 So I knew going in, like, I don't have the best story.

00:14:24.000 I do come from nothing, and I did work my ass off to become an actor and all that.

00:14:28.000 But, you know, my way into the music was a little wonky.

00:14:33.000 Well, sometimes that's good because it makes you work harder to prove to people that you're legit.

00:14:37.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:14:38.000 Because you have this thing over your head where they're like, fuck that pretty boy, motherfucker. 1.00

00:14:42.000 TV star, motherfucker. 1.00

00:14:44.000 Fuck that dude. 1.00

00:14:46.000 Fuck Casey Dutton. 1.00

00:14:47.000 There we go. 1.00

00:14:47.000 So the music's going to have to be good enough. 1.00

00:14:49.000 Yeah.

00:14:49.000 That's just sort of the thing.

00:14:50.000 That's all it is.

00:14:51.000 It's just, it just will force you to work harder.

00:14:53.000 But it's just, everybody's story is different.

00:14:55.000 That's what makes it fun.

00:14:57.000 And if everybody had the same story, you know.

00:14:59.000 Yeah.

00:14:59.000 I mean, you're kind of the king of following your passion, right?

00:15:03.000 You've done that.

00:15:04.000 Yeah, I've been super lucky.

00:15:05.000 You know, I'm just lucky that there's a job for all these things I like.

00:15:09.000 You know, there wasn't.

00:15:11.000 Well, there wasn't for this one.

00:15:13.000 This one, there were other people doing it already, but it wasn't a job for the longest time.

00:15:13.000 Yeah.

00:15:17.000 It's kind of a fun story that me and my wife always joke around about because like one time she was taking the kids.

00:15:22.000 We were all supposed to go to Disneyland, but I had to do this podcast.

00:15:27.000 I'm like, she was like, you don't have to do it.

00:15:28.000 I go, but I do.

00:15:30.000 I do it every week.

00:15:31.000 But it wasn't really making any money back then.

00:15:33.000 But I was like, I promised people would be out.

00:15:35.000 Like, I got to do it.

00:15:36.000 And now she's like, thank God you didn't listen to me.

00:15:42.000 It's just, I mean, I got lucky.

00:15:45.000 I came in right at the right time.

00:15:47.000 There was only a few people doing it back then, and I just did it for fun.

00:15:50.000 I just thought that would be fun to do.

00:15:52.000 And then all of a sudden it became a job.

00:15:54.000 Yeah.

00:15:55.000 And with the UFC stuff too.

00:15:56.000 Yeah.

00:15:57.000 That too.

00:15:58.000 That was fun too.

00:15:59.000 Did you think that would become what it became?

00:16:01.000 Yeah.

00:16:02.000 When I first started doing it, it was in 1997.

00:16:05.000 And it was in a high school auditorium in Dothan, Alabama.

00:16:09.000 And we had to take a propeller plane to get there.

00:16:12.000 And it was banned from cable.

00:16:14.000 So you could only watch it on direct TV.

00:16:17.000 This was UFC 12.

00:16:19.000 And there was no one in the audience.

00:16:21.000 And no one was watching it.

00:16:22.000 And I was already on a TV show.

00:16:24.000 I was on news radio.

00:16:25.000 And the people on news radio, like the actors and the producers, they were like, what are you doing?

00:16:29.000 You're flying to go do cage fighting?

00:16:31.000 It was almost like I was doing porn. 1.00

00:16:35.000 Or fucking snuff films or something. 1.00

00:16:38.000 It's like, you're going to ruin your life doing this. 0.99

00:16:41.000 I was like, I don't, I don't know what you guys are talking about.

00:16:43.000 This is what I've always wanted to see.

00:16:45.000 I've always wanted to see all the best martial artists of different styles get together.

00:16:48.000 Nobody ever did it.

00:16:49.000 These guys aren't doing it.

00:16:50.000 I'm going to go.

00:16:51.000 Like, this is.

00:16:51.000 Yeah.

00:16:52.000 I remember renting the first few from Blockbuster.

00:16:56.000 Yeah.

00:16:57.000 It was like Bloodsport back.

00:16:58.000 Oh, yeah.

00:16:59.000 Oh, it changed my life.

00:17:00.000 I got UFC 2 was the first one.

00:17:03.000 The first one wasn't available.

00:17:04.000 You had to get two was the only one.

00:17:05.000 And it was on VHS tape.

00:17:07.000 And I had a buddy of mine who told me about it.

00:17:08.000 He's like, dude, you got to see this thing, man.

00:17:10.000 He goes, they got these guys.

00:17:11.000 They're fighting in a cage.

00:17:13.000 And this one dude's just choking everybody.

00:17:15.000 And he's wearing a gi.

00:17:16.000 I was like, really?

00:17:17.000 What is it?

00:17:18.000 And then I watched it. 1.00

00:17:19.000 I was like, holy shit. 1.00

00:17:22.000 I was hooked right away. 1.00

00:17:22.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:17:24.000 I was like, they fucking did it. 1.00

00:17:25.000 They actually did it. 0.99

00:17:27.000 Because when I was a kid, everybody thought that what they were, if you did karate, you thought karate was the best.

00:17:32.000 If you thought judo, you thought judo was the best.

00:17:34.000 And nobody really knew what was the most effective martial art because nobody had ever put together anything like the UFC.

00:17:40.000 Right.

00:17:41.000 So once it happened, I mean, it was just such a huge part of my life.

00:17:44.000 I was like, I'm not going to not do this just because it's bad for my acting career.

00:17:48.000 I'm like, if my acting career goes away, I don't, you know, whatever.

00:17:52.000 I'm only doing this for money anyway.

00:17:54.000 So I was like, I'll just figure it out.

00:17:58.000 You were the only person in LA with that mentality, by the way.

00:18:01.000 That really served you well.

00:18:02.000 Wow, I wasn't supposed to be in LA.

00:18:05.000 You know, I mean, I only came to LA for money.

00:18:08.000 And I would have moved back.

00:18:10.000 I was living in New York and I did a show called Hardball and that got canceled.

00:18:15.000 And the only reason why I stayed is because I got a lease on an apartment.

00:18:18.000 I was fully ready to get out of there. 0.98

00:18:20.000 I was like, I got to get the fuck out of this place. 0.99

00:18:22.000 I hated it. 0.99

00:18:24.000 I hated being around actors.

00:18:25.000 I hated being around producers and casting agents. 0.94

00:18:28.000 I was like, these people are so fake.

00:18:30.000 I was used to being around fighters and comedians and pool players, like the rawest, funniest, like outcasts of society. 0.94

00:18:39.000 Like those were my people. 0.97

00:18:41.000 I was used to cracking jokes with friends and everybody was like busting on each other and everybody had a great sense of humor, just silly weirdos.

00:18:50.000 And then all of a sudden I'm around these people that like all had these like predetermined things that they thought they should say so they would say them, you know, and everybody had like, it was all group think. 0.99

00:19:00.000 It was like, oh, this is fucking horrible.

00:19:02.000 Yeah, I always say that felt like when I lived in LA, I lived in LA for 16 years and I don't want to complain about it. 0.98

00:19:08.000 I was obviously good to me.

00:19:10.000 Like it helped my life quite a bit.

00:19:12.000 But it always felt like everybody was trying to become the same person.

00:19:16.000 Yeah.

00:19:17.000 But they don't know who that person is.

00:19:19.000 I'm like, can you just tell me who the person is so I can you know what I mean?

00:19:22.000 There's like a memo that went out that I didn't get or something.

00:19:26.000 Nobody got that memo.

00:19:27.000 They were all playing it by ear, you know, and they were just, it was all dependent upon what the producers and the casting agents wanted you to be.

00:19:35.000 So everybody would sort of adapt.

00:19:36.000 Like whenever you got a place where everybody has the same politics, that's not a good sign.

00:19:42.000 Like something's gone wrong.

00:19:44.000 And everybody has these progressive left-wing politics, regardless of whether or not any of their positions make sense.

00:19:51.000 They all just sort of spit it out.

00:19:52.000 Well, I think it's just that there is sort of a desperation that gets bred from, I mean, these people left their families.

00:19:58.000 They moved away.

00:19:59.000 They left everything they've ever known and gave up a lot of comfort and security and love to follow this dream.

00:20:07.000 And so that dream becomes more and more and more important.

00:20:10.000 You need it more and more because now you have nothing else.

00:20:13.000 You've given everything else up.

00:20:15.000 And so I think at that point, you can sort of mold people into whatever you want.

00:20:19.000 Oh, for sure.

00:20:20.000 It ruins comics.

00:20:22.000 Yeah.

00:20:22.000 Because when comics start doing well, one of the first, as soon as they start getting on television, the first thing they start doing is tempering their material.

00:20:29.000 They tone it down a little bit, take the edge off, don't say anything that can get you in trouble.

00:20:34.000 And, you know, generally, those are the funniest things.

00:20:38.000 The funniest things are the things that could go terribly wrong, you know, and get you in trouble.

00:20:43.000 So they do that.

00:20:45.000 And then just, you know, they become like an, I always call it the velvet prison because you get locked into that velvet prison.

00:20:51.000 You get, get on TV, you get, get money, but also you become just one of everybody else.

00:20:58.000 Yeah, it's hard not to do.

00:21:00.000 I mean, that's where I'm at.

00:21:01.000 You know, I still have a boss.

00:21:03.000 Yeah.

00:21:04.000 You know, my, my checks are written by a very specific company that, you know, I have to be careful sometimes.

00:21:10.000 I know.

00:21:10.000 You know, even doing this today, I'm like, just a little bit.

00:21:14.000 I don't want to do that to you and sit here and like police myself the whole time, but I got to be like, just don't say this.

00:21:19.000 Oh, yeah.

00:21:19.000 Right.

00:21:20.000 No, I'm firmly aware of it.

00:21:22.000 People come in here and I could see it in their face.

00:21:25.000 Like, please don't bring up anything crazy.

00:21:27.000 No trans talk. 1.00

00:21:30.000 For sure.

00:21:31.000 Tell Dr. Stay away from that today.

00:21:32.000 Yeah.

00:21:33.000 People, I mean, it's, it's, you know, it's a tricky situation.

00:21:37.000 And the thing about LA, too, is everybody has to get picked for stuff.

00:21:43.000 Yeah.

00:21:44.000 It's not like even like music, like, especially like, look at Oliver Anthony.

00:21:48.000 No music deal, no nothing.

00:21:49.000 Just put something on YouTube, blows up.

00:21:51.000 Yeah.

00:21:52.000 That's a real, in this day and age, that's a real thing.

00:21:54.000 But in acting, it's still, you have to get chosen.

00:21:57.000 You have to get cast for something.

00:21:59.000 And just that weird thing alone where you're going into this thing and these people have to approve you.

00:22:06.000 And most of the people that get involved in acting in the first place, a large percentage of them, they did it because they didn't get enough attention when they were younger.

00:22:13.000 And this is like, they just want to make up for it.

00:22:16.000 Well, that's why I became a comedian, I'm pretty sure.

00:22:19.000 You know, it's all the same kind of mindset.

00:22:22.000 Like, there's something about you that wants to be famous, right?

00:22:26.000 You know, unless you're like someone who's just in love with the craft of acting, you know.

00:22:31.000 Which, how could you be?

00:22:31.000 Right.

00:22:33.000 You know, I made the decision that I wanted to be an actor when I was like five years old.

00:22:36.000 I didn't know what the craft of acting was.

00:22:36.000 Really?

00:22:39.000 My thing, though, honestly, was I loved movies so much.

00:22:43.000 I think I just, because I liked them more than my life, you know, I wanted to live in the movie.

00:22:51.000 I didn't know what making them would actually be like.

00:22:53.000 I didn't know what that career looked like.

00:22:55.000 I didn't know what acting was.

00:22:57.000 But I would go to the movie theater and want to be in it.

00:23:00.000 And I'd also see the guy.

00:23:02.000 And I don't know, whatever the skill set was, I was like, whatever they're doing, I think I can do that.

00:23:07.000 I think I have whatever that is.

00:23:09.000 And, you know, thank God I was at least somewhat right, or I'd be waiting tables in LA right now.

00:23:14.000 Well, it's an interesting thing, right?

00:23:17.000 Because it's a craft that seems like you're just doing normal life, right?

00:23:25.000 Like you're pretending, but you're acting and behaving in a way that people do act and behave.

00:23:32.000 Like that's the key to it.

00:23:33.000 It has to be believable.

00:23:35.000 Yeah.

00:23:36.000 So most people watch it go, I can do that.

00:23:39.000 Like this is normal life.

00:23:41.000 They're just acting like they're in normal life.

00:23:44.000 What you don't realize is that there's like a dude with a beard with a microphone in your face and 200 people standing around waiting for you to be done so they can do their job.

00:23:44.000 Right.

00:23:52.000 Sipping coffee, shaking their head right at their watch. 0.99

00:23:58.000 If you fuck up a line like, oh, Jesus. 0.99

00:24:00.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:24:01.000 Fucking guy. 1.00

00:24:02.000 Fucking unprofessional. 1.00

00:24:03.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:24:04.000 Exactly.

00:24:04.000 Yeah, it's a weird gig, man.

00:24:06.000 It's a weird gig.

00:24:07.000 And it's not what most people think it is.

00:24:09.000 And you could tell that by like the masters, the real masters.

00:24:12.000 You know, when you see like Daniel Day-Lewis do it, you're like, okay, whatever he's doing, I'm not doing that. 0.89

00:24:18.000 That's a fucking totally different thing.

00:24:20.000 This guy's in some weird place where he becomes Gary Oldman, becomes a different person every movie, and you believe it. 0.99

00:24:20.000 Right. 0.99

00:24:26.000 Yeah.

00:24:27.000 That's the real craft of it, right?

00:24:29.000 Where like, I fucking know that's Gary Oldman, right?

00:24:32.000 But he's different in every movie. 0.94

00:24:33.000 Now he's Dracula, and I believe it.

00:24:36.000 He's amazing.

00:24:37.000 Both of those guys.

00:24:38.000 You ever watched that show, Slow Horses?

00:24:38.000 Amazing.

00:24:41.000 I love it. 0.99

00:24:42.000 Fucking great show. 0.99

00:24:43.000 It's really good. 1.00

00:24:43.000 It's a great show. 1.00

00:24:44.000 I can't wait for the new season.

00:24:46.000 I have a hook.

00:24:46.000 Somebody told me about it, and I was a little skeptical at first.

00:24:49.000 It's like, all right. 1.00

00:24:50.000 And you never see like a lead, your number one, being like a total piece of shit. 1.00

00:24:55.000 Right. 1.00

00:24:56.000 Total piece of shit. 1.00

00:24:57.000 Except Tony Soprano. 1.00

00:24:57.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:24:58.000 There you go.

00:24:59.000 Yeah.

00:25:00.000 That was a weird show, right?

00:25:01.000 Like, a guy was a murderer and a thief, and you love him.

00:25:04.000 You loved him.

00:25:05.000 He was so good.

00:25:06.000 Yeah.

00:25:07.000 There's another guy, Candolfini, man. 0.99

00:25:10.000 You fucking believed him. 0.99

00:25:12.000 And there wasn't acting like that in television yet. 1.00

00:25:15.000 No.

00:25:16.000 That was like the first of its kind.

00:25:17.000 Yeah.

00:25:18.000 And even within that show, he was doing something no one else was doing.

00:25:22.000 Right.

00:25:22.000 And that's hard to keep up for, you know, if you do it for a film, you're doing it for a couple months, you know, at that level of intensity.

00:25:30.000 But to do that for seven years for months and months at a time is impossible.

00:25:34.000 Well, there was a danger in his eyes, like a real danger.

00:25:39.000 Like there's something about that dude.

00:25:42.000 That dude's got, or while he was alive, he had demons in his brain.

00:25:47.000 Like you could tell.

00:25:49.000 Like there were moments, these menacing moments where he was like threatening someone or doing something.

00:25:54.000 You're like, that's coming from a real place.

00:25:58.000 That guy ain't, you know, there's some guys who play tough guys in movies.

00:26:02.000 Like, I'm not buying it.

00:26:03.000 But with that guy, you're like, oh, okay. 0.94

00:26:07.000 This guy could kill somebody.

00:26:08.000 You don't want to piss him off in real life. 1.00

00:26:10.000 Well, he's also out of fucking control. 0.99

00:26:13.000 You know, have you ever seen the list of the things that he consumed before he died? 0.99

00:26:18.000 I have seen that.

00:26:19.000 It's bananas.

00:26:20.000 Yeah.

00:26:20.000 I mean, he was just off the rails.

00:26:22.000 Just out of his fucking mind. 1.00

00:26:22.000 Crazy. 1.00

00:26:24.000 But you've seen the Hunter S. Thompson one.

00:26:26.000 Oh, dude.

00:26:27.000 We narrated it.

00:26:28.000 We read it.

00:26:29.000 And then this guy, what was the dude?

00:26:31.000 What's the guy's name that turned it into a song?

00:26:34.000 I don't know.

00:26:36.000 Let's see.

00:26:39.000 There's a dance song, like electric music dance song.

00:26:44.000 I haven't heard that.

00:26:45.000 With me and my friend Greg Fitzsimmons were reading off Hunter S. Thompson's, like his daily routine with his beardy man.

00:26:54.000 Shout out to Beardy Man.

00:26:54.000 Yeah.

00:26:55.000 It's pretty dope.

00:26:56.000 Play it. 1.00

00:26:57.000 Fuck it. 1.00

00:26:59.000 Can we? 1.00

00:27:00.000 Will we get in trouble?

00:27:02.000 Can isn't the right word to ask.

00:27:05.000 We can.

00:27:06.000 What would happen?

00:27:08.000 We lose revenue changes and stuff like that.

00:27:11.000 Yeah, 100%.

00:27:11.000 For sure?

00:27:12.000 All right.

00:27:13.000 Don't play it.

00:27:13.000 I'll listen to it after.

00:27:14.000 Sorry.

00:27:15.000 Well, I'll send it to you.

00:27:15.000 Yeah.

00:27:16.000 But it's a bananas routine.

00:27:20.000 And, you know, at the end of his life, I'm a giant Hunter S. Thompson fan, as you could tell walking through all the artwork.

00:27:26.000 But at the end of his life, he couldn't even talk.

00:27:29.000 Like, he did an appearance once on Conan O'Brien.

00:27:32.000 And to me, it was like one of the saddest things.

00:27:34.000 Like, you could barely understand what he was saying.

00:27:38.000 He's just mumbling. 0.82

00:27:39.000 And When he was young, he was so fucking smooth and articulate and interesting and fascinating. 0.99

00:27:46.000 And it just drugs, just drugs and booze just cooked his brain. 0.98

00:27:51.000 I'll have to do a deep dive on him.

00:27:53.000 I've never read any of his stuff.

00:27:55.000 Really?

00:27:55.000 No, I haven't.

00:27:56.000 Oh, just read, just start off with Fear and Loathing.

00:27:59.000 Okay.

00:28:00.000 Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas was a, he got an assignment to cover, I think it was a motorcycle race.

00:28:07.000 That was the job.

00:28:09.000 So I think it was for Sports Illustrator or something like that.

00:28:11.000 He got a job to just cover a race. 0.92

00:28:15.000 And he goes down there and just brings every kind of fucking drug known to man, drives through the desert in a convertible with his friend and just writes this insane book. 0.99

00:28:27.000 It's completely insane. 0.98

00:28:28.000 It has nothing to do with this motorcycle race. 1.00

00:28:30.000 It's just all about the chaos of being out of your fucking mind in Vegas. 0.99

00:28:35.000 And it's brilliant. 0.99

00:28:37.000 It's so good.

00:28:39.000 Do you like Vegas?

00:28:39.000 Check it out.

00:28:42.000 I mean, I'm there a lot for fights.

00:28:44.000 And when I go, we go to a restaurant.

00:28:47.000 I go play pool.

00:28:48.000 I go to the fights.

00:28:49.000 I don't do anything else.

00:28:51.000 So it's like, for me, it's like, yeah, there's great restaurants.

00:28:54.000 You know, the fights are awesome.

00:28:56.000 I love doing that.

00:28:57.000 So it's like, but there's something about it where I ever, every time I go there, I'm like, could I live here?

00:29:03.000 Like, I was actually talking to my friend Tony Hinchcliffe about it this past weekend.

00:29:06.000 We were just there for the fights.

00:29:08.000 And I was saying, like, what if a, because, you know, Kill Tony is this gigantic show now.

00:29:13.000 It's huge.

00:29:14.000 He sells out arenas all over the country with it.

00:29:16.000 It's on Netflix. 0.99

00:29:17.000 And I was saying, like, what if a Vegas casino offered you a fucking pile of money? 0.98

00:29:23.000 Would you, do you think you could ever live here? 0.99

00:29:25.000 And we were just sitting there.

00:29:27.000 He's like, I don't, no.

00:29:28.000 I don't want to do it.

00:29:29.000 I don't think I could do it either.

00:29:30.000 Because I think it's like sleeping next to a vampire.

00:29:34.000 Like, even if you know that the vampire's in the other room and he's not going to bite your neck, it's like, he's right there.

00:29:41.000 You know, I don't think it's good for you.

00:29:44.000 Vegas to me is like, you know, when you have a big night out on a certain type of booze and you get sick.

00:29:50.000 And then anytime you drink that booze after that, that's Vegas to me.

00:29:54.000 Right.

00:29:54.000 Every time I land in Vegas, I'm like, oh, I just feel gross.

00:29:58.000 Because I remember the last time I was there or the first time.

00:30:01.000 Yeah, it's, I think the people that live outside of Vegas, like people live in Henderson and places like that, they love it.

00:30:08.000 Because it's really nice out there.

00:30:09.000 Like you go out to the outskirts of Vegas.

00:30:12.000 There's beautiful neighborhoods and nice communities and like great stores and restaurants and stuff.

00:30:17.000 It's nice.

00:30:18.000 But you're still next to the Death Star.

00:30:20.000 Right. 1.00

00:30:20.000 It's like this big neon fucking vacuum. 1.00

00:30:24.000 You're sucking people's money out of them. 1.00

00:30:26.000 I've never been off the strip.

00:30:27.000 Maybe I should try that out.

00:30:29.000 There's a, there's, there's great restaurants and great neighborhoods.

00:30:29.000 Yeah.

00:30:33.000 Like it's, it's fine outside.

00:30:35.000 But the reason why they're there is because of the Death Star.

00:30:39.000 Like that's what brings everybody there.

00:30:41.000 You know, everybody's there to just lose all their money.

00:30:43.000 Yeah, make really bad decisions.

00:30:45.000 Like all my friends who gamble, when I would go there with them, I'd go, look at this place.

00:30:49.000 See how big it is?

00:30:50.000 How do you think they got that money? 1.00

00:30:52.000 Suckers like you. 1.00

00:30:57.000 This isn't like a fair exchange. 1.00

00:31:00.000 Like they're giving you goods and you're giving them money.

00:31:03.000 No, this is like they're giving you this like crazy proposition where you think you're going to play blackjack and win a billion dollars.

00:31:10.000 Yeah.

00:31:10.000 And if you win too much money, they kick you out.

00:31:13.000 Did you ever gamble?

00:31:14.000 Was that ever?

00:31:15.000 No.

00:31:16.000 Not really.

00:31:17.000 I mean, I've bet some money on fights.

00:31:19.000 I've played blackjack a few times, but I've never lost any real money. 1.00

00:31:23.000 But my friend Dana White, he's a fucking degenerate, like a crazy degenerate. 1.00

00:31:28.000 I went to visit him recently. 1.00

00:31:30.000 So he was at Red Rock's Casino, and a couple of my other buddies were there.

00:31:34.000 So we showed up and went into the blackjack room, and he was there.

00:31:37.000 And when I got there, he was down $600,000 when I got there.

00:31:43.000 And it was a normal night for him.

00:31:45.000 And he wasn't even nervous.

00:31:46.000 He was like, hey, what's up?

00:31:48.000 He's shake my hand.

00:31:49.000 Give me a hug.

00:31:50.000 All these other people are there. 0.88

00:31:51.000 And I got fucking massive anxiety. 0.96

00:31:54.000 I was like, this is crazy. 0.95

00:31:56.000 How are you?

00:31:57.000 And then so him and Jamie was there too.

00:31:59.000 And him and Taylor Luan, the football player, he coaches Taylor how to play blackjack.

00:32:07.000 And so they got together.

00:32:08.000 He tells them when to hit and when not to hit, and they did it right next to us.

00:32:11.000 Within five minutes, Taylor was down $125,000.

00:32:15.000 I was like, what are you doing, man?

00:32:15.000 Jesus.

00:32:18.000 Yeah, that makes me nervous thing.

00:32:20.000 He got up and then they quit.

00:32:22.000 So he quit ahead.

00:32:23.000 I think he won like $100,000.

00:32:24.000 And then he quit.

00:32:24.000 And then they moved on to Backerat because you can bet more per hand.

00:32:28.000 That's what they're doing now?

00:32:29.000 Yeah.

00:32:29.000 It's like up to 500K per hand or something like that.

00:32:32.000 Which one's Backer at?

00:32:33.000 How do you play that?

00:32:34.000 I've tried to watch it.

00:32:35.000 I don't really quite understand.

00:32:36.000 It's apparently not hard.

00:32:38.000 You're betting on the dealer or the player.

00:32:41.000 Is that the big long table with all the...

00:32:44.000 I don't understand it.

00:32:45.000 It's not like...

00:32:46.000 It's not as long as roulette.

00:32:48.000 So Dana's onto that now or Taylor?

00:32:50.000 I think that room, they switched them all to Backer at Table.

00:32:53.000 So you could gamble more?

00:32:56.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:32:57.000 Oh, my.

00:32:58.000 Gamble more faster.

00:32:59.000 He's mainlining the gamble now.

00:33:01.000 He told a story on, I think it was, was it Flagrant?

00:33:06.000 It was Flagrant.

00:33:07.000 Where he talked about losing $6 million in one night?

00:33:11.000 Yeah, what?

00:33:13.000 Yeah.

00:33:13.000 That's my theory about Slap Fight, why they're doing Slap Fight.

00:33:16.000 I think it's Dana's gambling money.

00:33:18.000 That's what I think.

00:33:19.000 I think it's like he needs some source of revenue outside of the UFC so he doesn't lose his UFC money.

00:33:24.000 That's tough to watch, man.

00:33:26.000 I don't watch it.

00:33:27.000 Yeah.

00:33:28.000 I've watched a couple of clips.

00:33:29.000 Sorry, Dana.

00:33:29.000 I know, but it's tough to watch.

00:33:31.000 People getting brain damage over and over again.

00:33:31.000 I don't watch.

00:33:34.000 Yeah, it's not my thing.

00:33:35.000 I don't get it.

00:33:36.000 And it's all like the saddest people getting whacked in the head.

00:33:40.000 It's not a good thing.

00:33:41.000 Not good.

00:33:42.000 Yeah.

00:33:43.000 They call it fights, too.

00:33:44.000 Like, okay.

00:33:45.000 Okay.

00:33:46.000 I mean, I guess.

00:33:47.000 You should come up with another name.

00:33:48.000 It's kind of insulting to an actual fight.

00:33:50.000 Right.

00:33:51.000 But that's my theory.

00:33:53.000 That's his gambling money. 1.00

00:33:54.000 Because that fucking dude gambles. 1.00

00:33:57.000 Because I asked him once, I go, you like living here? 1.00

00:33:59.000 He goes, I love the action.

00:34:01.000 Okay.

00:34:03.000 He's a good friend of mine, but he's a different person than me.

00:34:06.000 That's awesome.

00:34:06.000 I'm not, that's not me.

00:34:08.000 If I lived in Vegas, I'd live way outside of Vegas.

00:34:08.000 Yeah.

00:34:11.000 And even then, I don't think I could do it.

00:34:13.000 Because we've talked about, you know, we have a comedy club in town, the Comedy Mothership, and we talked about doing another mothership somewhere.

00:34:20.000 And the two most likely places that we would be able to do it are New York and Vegas.

00:34:27.000 So we talked about doing one in Vegas, but I was like, man, the only way it would work is I'd have to be there a lot.

00:34:33.000 Like, we'd have to be there a lot.

00:34:35.000 And we'd have to, you know, we'd have to make sure that it's run right, that it's like run with the same vibe that we run it here, where everybody's cool, there's no assholes, everybody's real friendly and real supportive of new comedians.

00:34:47.000 And then I'd have to spend a lot of time there.

00:34:50.000 I'm like, I don't want to do that.

00:34:51.000 Right.

00:34:53.000 Wouldn't New York be like returning to where you cut your teeth or something?

00:34:56.000 Is that where you started?

00:34:58.000 Yeah, I mean, I started in Boston, but I did spend a lot of time in New York.

00:35:02.000 New York would be a better option really because there's a lot more talent there.

00:35:05.000 And in order to have a really good comedy club, you can't just start it out.

00:35:11.000 Like, you can't just go to Columbus, Ohio, or Cincinnati.

00:35:15.000 I guess Columbus has a little bit of a scene.

00:35:17.000 But you'd have to have a real scene with real headliners and top-level talent.

00:35:24.000 And the way we were able to pull it off in Austin is everybody moved here during the pandemic.

00:35:29.000 Like me and Tony moved.

00:35:30.000 Braun White moved here first, and then me and Tony moved here.

00:35:34.000 And then once we started doing shows, we were talking to all our friends in L.A. and L.A. was shut down during the pandemic.

00:35:40.000 And so everybody just kind of moved out here, at least temporarily, because comedians are junkies.

00:35:45.000 Like they want to go on stage.

00:35:47.000 And it was taken away from them for a year and a half in L.A. Couldn't perform in L.A. for a year and a half. 0.99

00:35:54.000 Made no fucking sense.

00:35:56.000 And out here, we were just doing shows like in November of 2020. 0.98

00:35:59.000 Wow.

00:36:00.000 Like it was indoor shows and super spreader shows.

00:36:04.000 And so because of the word.

00:36:07.000 Tom Segura moved here.

00:36:09.000 Christina Buzitsky moved here.

00:36:11.000 Tim Dylan moved here.

00:36:12.000 I mean, it's just like Shane Gillis moved here.

00:36:14.000 It was like we had so many like national headliners we could pull off a club.

00:36:19.000 Yeah.

00:36:20.000 But you have to have that kind of thing where it's not just the weekends, but you have to have like Tuesday shows, Wednesday shows.

00:36:27.000 It has to be like a lot of people around that you could have a show with.

00:36:32.000 The infrastructure.

00:36:33.000 Yeah.

00:36:34.000 I randomly lived in Austin during COVID.

00:36:37.000 Oh, really?

00:36:38.000 My wife and I, we got married in November of 2019.

00:36:41.000 She's from Brazil and I'm from Ohio.

00:36:43.000 So we had no, there was nowhere we were going to live where it was going to feel like home.

00:36:48.000 But we, you know, I'd lived in LA for 16 years.

00:36:50.000 I was ready to get out.

00:36:52.000 We wanted to start a family somewhere else.

00:36:54.000 And we didn't know where to go.

00:36:55.000 So we came here in December of 2019.

00:36:59.000 And we had the best two months ever.

00:37:01.000 And then everything shut down and we're stuck in an apartment, don't know anybody.

00:37:06.000 And, you know, it didn't really get a fair shake.

00:37:08.000 We loved it while it was going.

00:37:09.000 And then, yeah, I did about two months of lockdown, couldn't do it anymore.

00:37:14.000 And then we bought an Airstream and just started traveling around.

00:37:16.000 And then I had to be in Montana for work for Yellowstone.

00:37:20.000 And we parked the Airstream up there and never left.

00:37:22.000 Oh, wow.

00:37:23.000 So we've lived there. 0.99

00:37:24.000 Montana is fucking awesome. 0.97

00:37:25.000 It's the best place. 0.99

00:37:26.000 It's so great.

00:37:27.000 It's so beautiful.

00:37:29.000 Last time I was there was in the summer.

00:37:31.000 Well, actually, last time I was there, I was hunting with Bourdain, who went pheasant hunting there.

00:37:35.000 That was pretty cool.

00:37:36.000 Oh, yeah.

00:37:37.000 It was one of the last times I saw him.

00:37:39.000 What part?

00:37:39.000 Oh, I forget.

00:37:41.000 I forget where we were.

00:37:44.000 I'm pretty sure I flew into Bozeman, but I think we're outside of Billings.

00:37:49.000 Okay.

00:37:50.000 I forget.

00:37:52.000 But the summer there is insane.

00:37:56.000 Yeah.

00:37:56.000 Perfect.

00:37:57.000 It's so beautiful.

00:37:59.000 Perfect.

00:37:59.000 Everything's green.

00:38:01.000 You see the mountains.

00:38:02.000 We heard wolves howling one night.

00:38:04.000 And you see Elkhurst just chilling on the side of a hill.

00:38:08.000 Like, God, this place is magical.

00:38:10.000 And it doesn't get dark till like 11 at night.

00:38:12.000 Right.

00:38:13.000 It's very confusing to know like when to eat dinner because you're just like, it's light for so long.

00:38:18.000 But then in the wintertime, the exchanges, it gets dark at 4.30 p.m.

00:38:22.000 Right.

00:38:23.000 But yeah, we love it, man.

00:38:24.000 It's the best thing that has ever happened for me of just sort of like all the LA stuff we were talking about.

00:38:30.000 It's the opposite of that.

00:38:31.000 The opposite.

00:38:32.000 I have no FOMO about anything anymore.

00:38:35.000 Oh, that's great.

00:38:36.000 I can just think and sleep and read and watch films, and it's the best. 0.98

00:38:40.000 Well, your show made a lot of fucking people move out there, though. 0.99

00:38:40.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:38:44.000 That's true.

00:38:45.000 Yeah.

00:38:45.000 And they're not happy about it.

00:38:47.000 The valley that I live in, we had some people come visit us.

00:38:50.000 Our friends from California drove out and we went on a hike and we were in their car and they had Cali plates and we got off the hike and someone had written go back in the dust on their car.

00:39:02.000 People are super weird about.

00:39:04.000 So I don't tell anyone like exactly where I'm at because they would get really mad at me.

00:39:08.000 Dude, that happened in 2012.

00:39:10.000 I was hunting in Montana.

00:39:12.000 We went to the Missouri Breaks and we were going to this restaurant and one of the guys in the restaurant had he had his car parked outside and it was like a rental car and someone had wrote go back home.

00:39:26.000 You know, like Montana is for Montanans or something like that.

00:39:29.000 They wrote it in the dirt.

00:39:30.000 Right. 0.96

00:39:31.000 Which is dumb because if they have the plates, they clearly aren't living there, you know? 0.86

00:39:35.000 Yeah. 0.95

00:39:35.000 Right. 0.95

00:39:36.000 They're going back. 0.83

00:39:37.000 Yeah, but it's just retards. 1.00

00:39:39.000 You're going to get retards in every state. 1.00

00:39:41.000 Like, if you have 100 people, one of them's a fucking idiot. 1.00

00:39:44.000 And if you've got a town of, you know, X amount of 100,000 people, you're going to have a good amount of fucking dumbasses. 1.00

00:39:44.000 Right. 1.00

00:39:44.000 Sure. 1.00

00:39:51.000 For sure.

00:39:51.000 Those are the ones like, this is our place.

00:39:54.000 We own it.

00:39:55.000 This is our dirt.

00:39:56.000 Meanwhile, someone moved there at some point.

00:39:59.000 You know, like somewhere along the line, someone moved there.

00:39:59.000 Exactly.

00:40:01.000 And all you did was stay.

00:40:03.000 Exactly.

00:40:03.000 You didn't do anything that cool.

00:40:04.000 Exactly.

00:40:05.000 Exactly.

00:40:05.000 You know what I mean?

00:40:06.000 Exactly. 1.00

00:40:06.000 And that one guy, I can't go to bars there anymore because whatever that one idiot is is at the bar. 1.00

00:40:12.000 Of course. 1.00

00:40:12.000 And he can't wait to start a fight with me. 1.00

00:40:14.000 Just like, can't wait to do it.

00:40:15.000 Because it's a win-win for him.

00:40:17.000 You know, he gets to sue me or something.

00:40:19.000 I don't know, you know, but it's a lose-lose for me.

00:40:21.000 Well, it's just like his life is empty.

00:40:23.000 And it's like, all of a sudden, there's purpose.

00:40:25.000 And he's like, you ruined Montana. 1.00

00:40:28.000 Fuck off. 1.00

00:40:29.000 Right. 1.00

00:40:30.000 Or my favorite is when they call people colonizers.

00:40:30.000 Yeah.

00:40:33.000 That's my favorite.

00:40:34.000 Like, bro, if you don't live in Ethiopia, someone in your ancestor was a colonizer.

00:40:40.000 Oh, 100%.

00:40:40.000 Period.

00:40:41.000 We all had to come from somewhere.

00:40:41.000 Yeah.

00:40:43.000 Also, isn't it like the most American thing ever is that I can choose where I want to live?

00:40:48.000 That should be celebrated.

00:40:48.000 Yeah.

00:40:49.000 It should be.

00:40:50.000 The idea that, oh, we were here first. 1.00

00:40:52.000 Those are the same idiots that hate when a band becomes successful. 1.00

00:40:55.000 Because like, oh, I knew them when they were underground. 1.00

00:40:58.000 Now they sold out.

00:40:59.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:41:00.000 It's just a moron mentality. 1.00

00:41:01.000 You're always going to have that no matter where you go. 1.00

00:41:04.000 But Montanans are like fiercely proud of being from Montana.

00:41:07.000 Yeah.

00:41:08.000 They'll always tell you what generation they are.

00:41:09.000 Right.

00:41:10.000 Third generation, Montana. 0.99

00:41:12.000 That's so silly. 0.96

00:41:13.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:41:14.000 And I'm not Montanan, but my son will be.

00:41:17.000 Yeah.

00:41:17.000 He can say that he is.

00:41:18.000 Right.

00:41:19.000 Right.

00:41:20.000 It's like an anchor baby.

00:41:21.000 Yeah.

00:41:25.000 Yeah.

00:41:26.000 He can go fly fishing and no one's going to give him a hard time.

00:41:28.000 That's right.

00:41:29.000 I was born here.

00:41:30.000 You're good.

00:41:30.000 Yeah.

00:41:30.000 Okay.

00:41:31.000 You got a hall pass.

00:41:32.000 Yeah, but like people that live in like that Yellowstone place, you know, that Yellowstone Club.

00:41:37.000 Yeah, that place.

00:41:38.000 Like those are like fake Montanans to Montanans. 0.99

00:41:40.000 I have a buddy who lives up there and he was saying, I don't know why the fuck anybody would live up there. 0.99

00:41:45.000 Like, because it's awesome. 0.99

00:41:46.000 What's wrong with you?

00:41:47.000 It's still Montana.

00:41:48.000 Like, let it go.

00:41:50.000 They just had some problem with sewage being dumped into the river or something like that.

00:41:50.000 Right.

00:41:55.000 The Yellowstone Club?

00:41:56.000 The Yellowstone Club.

00:41:57.000 Oh, God.

00:41:58.000 Yeah, the locals were very angry.

00:42:00.000 And I don't know if that's locals like making some stuff up to sort of cause a problem, but they were saying that they were finding sewage from the Yellowstone Club in the local river there.

00:42:08.000 Whoa.

00:42:09.000 Yeah, you have to look that up.

00:42:10.000 Oh, whoa.

00:42:11.000 Yeah, that's not good.

00:42:13.000 That's the problem with rich people.

00:42:15.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:42:17.000 Rich people are like, fuck everybody else. 1.00

00:42:19.000 I haven't been to that place, but I heard it's awesome. 0.99

00:42:21.000 And the views, I've seen photographs of it. 0.99

00:42:24.000 God, the fucking views there are insane. 1.00

00:42:26.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:42:26.000 I have multiple friends that live in Montana. 1.00

00:42:29.000 And the thing about it is like everybody will tell you, like, when you're surrounded by those mountains and you look out at them every day, it like centers you and it humbles you.

00:42:39.000 That's exactly right.

00:42:40.000 It's like the most spectacular natural art you're ever going to see.

00:42:44.000 And it's around you all the time.

00:42:45.000 And I drink my coffee every morning looking out the window and it looks like a painting and it never gets old.

00:42:50.000 You know, if we need to go to the grocery store, I'm like, I'll do it.

00:42:54.000 Because it's so fun to drive there.

00:42:56.000 You know, you get out, you put some tunes on.

00:42:58.000 It's the best thing ever.

00:42:59.000 Versus like living in LA, to go anywhere was the worst thing ever.

00:43:03.000 Right.

00:43:04.000 Yeah.

00:43:05.000 Everything's a pleasure up there, man.

00:43:07.000 It's really, it's something.

00:43:08.000 But if you, if you, if you need any sort of like fast pace or socialization or if you're like trying to meet a babe or something, it's not going to happen.

00:43:17.000 There's no people dude.

00:43:18.000 Yeah.

00:43:19.000 I get that.

00:43:20.000 There's a little of that in Austin.

00:43:22.000 They're upset that the Californians moved here.

00:43:24.000 Yeah.

00:43:25.000 They were upset.

00:43:26.000 A lot of people blamed me and Elon.

00:43:29.000 They blamed us for moving here and ruining Austin.

00:43:29.000 Sure.

00:43:33.000 Like, sorry, we made it more awesome. 1.00

00:43:35.000 Fucking pussies. 1.00

00:43:36.000 Shut your mouth. 1.00

00:43:37.000 It's all the same thing. 0.99

00:43:38.000 It's like people that want credit for being here first. 1.00

00:43:40.000 Like, fuck off. 1.00

00:43:42.000 Now you have more restaurants, way more comedy. 1.00

00:43:44.000 There's like seven comedy clubs on my street now.

00:43:47.000 On the street where my club is, there's seven comedy clubs now.

00:43:50.000 That's amazing.

00:43:51.000 It's like one of the big hubs of live comedy in the world now.

00:43:55.000 Did it have it at all before?

00:43:57.000 It had a couple places.

00:43:58.000 There was a place called Cap City that actually went under before the pandemic or actually like right at the beginning of the pandemic.

00:44:05.000 When I got here, it was for sale.

00:44:07.000 And so I was looking at that place to buy it, but it didn't work out.

00:44:11.000 And then there's another place that's been around forever called the Velveeta Room.

00:44:15.000 It's a real small room.

00:44:16.000 I think it seats like 100 or so.

00:44:18.000 And then, you know, I think there was maybe a couple other bars that maybe had comedy.

00:44:23.000 And there was like a small scene of some comedians, but nothing like what it is now.

00:44:27.000 Like, it's not even, not even comparable.

00:44:30.000 I mean, there's like 17, 18 world-class comics that live here now.

00:44:35.000 Wow.

00:44:35.000 It's crazy.

00:44:36.000 Man, talk about stage fright.

00:44:38.000 I think that is, that would be the hardest art form.

00:44:41.000 It's scary.

00:44:42.000 You have no help.

00:44:43.000 There's nothing to hide behind.

00:44:44.000 Right.

00:44:44.000 There's no music.

00:44:45.000 There's like, you know, it's just silence and you and a microphone.

00:44:45.000 Right.

00:44:49.000 You can't just get into your tune and fucking just play and close your eyes. 0.99

00:44:54.000 No, there was a film actually one time that I was attached to to play a stand-up comedian. 0.98

00:44:59.000 And I promised the director that if we got our funding and got the green light to go, that I'd go do it.

00:45:05.000 That I'd actually go out and like work up 15 minutes and just do it until I understood what it was like.

00:45:12.000 And that movie fell through and I was very, very happy about that because I didn't want it to.

00:45:18.000 It's hard.

00:45:19.000 I bet, man.

00:45:20.000 It's confusing because the people are just talking.

00:45:23.000 You're like, why is that hard to do?

00:45:25.000 Everybody talks.

00:45:26.000 You know, like everybody could tell a story.

00:45:28.000 Everybody could, and it seems easy to do until you do it.

00:45:32.000 And then you're like, oh, this is.

00:45:34.000 But I was hooked right away. 0.99

00:45:35.000 Because I sucked the first night that I bombed. 0.78

00:45:38.000 But I was like, I got a couple of laughs on some things. 0.97

00:45:42.000 And I was like, I think I can figure this out.

00:45:45.000 But I was, like I said, I was more scared than when I was fighting.

00:45:48.000 I was more scared before like a big fight.

00:45:52.000 It was weird.

00:45:53.000 I was like, why am I nervous?

00:45:55.000 It didn't make any sense.

00:45:56.000 My friend Whitney Cummings explained it to me.

00:45:58.000 She said, people have this fear of public speaking because in tribal societies back in the day, the only time you spoke in front of a large group of people was when you're being judged because they were going to kill you.

00:46:11.000 Oh, interesting.

00:46:12.000 Right.

00:46:12.000 Yeah.

00:46:13.000 Doesn't that make sense?

00:46:14.000 Yeah.

00:46:15.000 So like if you're in front of the people, they're all like, what did he do?

00:46:20.000 You know, so you have to like, guys, I didn't steal the tomatoes.

00:46:25.000 Yeah, I never thought about that.

00:46:26.000 Yeah.

00:46:27.000 That's what it is.

00:46:28.000 Yeah, no place to hide, man.

00:46:29.000 I don't know.

00:46:30.000 That sounds scary.

00:46:31.000 And especially if it starts going bad.

00:46:33.000 Like if you start to bomb.

00:46:36.000 Is there any way out of that?

00:46:37.000 Or is it people who've recovered?

00:46:39.000 Yeah.

00:46:39.000 People who started off bombing and then pulled themselves out of it.

00:46:42.000 I've done it a couple of times.

00:46:43.000 Most of the time when I'm bombing, I'm bombing forever.

00:46:46.000 But going down.

00:46:48.000 But there's a good to that.

00:46:50.000 The good is you have to re-examine your material.

00:46:50.000 All right.

00:46:53.000 And you, every time in my career, in the like the early days when I bombed, I always got way better afterwards because I was like, whatever the fuck that was, I don't want to experience that again.

00:47:02.000 And I really focused and really, really wrote like crazy and went over recordings and buttoned down and trimmed things and changed things around.

00:47:11.000 And you need losses.

00:47:13.000 Losses are very important.

00:47:15.000 They're important in fighting.

00:47:19.000 They're important in life.

00:47:20.000 Like one of my kids just had a breakup recently and I had a conversation with her.

00:47:24.000 I go, I know this sucks, but this is actually important.

00:47:28.000 Like it has to happen.

00:47:30.000 And I told her, like, about the first time a girl broke up with me when I was 17.

00:47:33.000 I was devastating.

00:47:34.000 Oh, the worst.

00:47:35.000 Oh, it's good.

00:47:36.000 Worst feeling.

00:47:36.000 Couldn't believe my life was over.

00:47:38.000 I'm only 17.

00:47:40.000 I can, I'm never going to recover.

00:47:41.000 I'm like, it's so important because you realize, like, as time passes, you understand that this is just a moment in time and there's other people you're going to meet.

00:47:52.000 And it's just, you have to develop some resiliency, some emotional resiliency.

00:47:56.000 Right.

00:47:57.000 And so you have to experience that.

00:47:59.000 And you also have to realize that, you know, people don't know what they're doing either.

00:48:04.000 Like, boys don't know what they're doing.

00:48:06.000 Girls don't know what they're doing. 1.00

00:48:06.000 They're kind of figuring it out as they go along. 1.00

00:48:09.000 People break up and they make up.

00:48:10.000 And these are these lessons that you have to learn in life.

00:48:14.000 And loss is important because it makes you understand why this person gets sick of me.

00:48:19.000 Why am I annoying?

00:48:20.000 Why, you know, am I selfish?

00:48:23.000 What is wrong with me?

00:48:23.000 Like, what is it?

00:48:25.000 You know, why, you know, why am I picking these people that are going to break my heart?

00:48:29.000 Why don't I adjust? 0.92

00:48:31.000 Why don't I like maybe I should spend some time alone and figure out what the fuck is wrong with me or figure out who I am?

00:48:36.000 And those moments where you have to kind of go through things and figure them out, they're so important for you in life.

00:48:44.000 And for a comic, bombing can oftentimes be one of the best motivating factors to take you to another level in your career or wreck your confidence forever.

00:48:56.000 Right.

00:48:57.000 Just like fighting.

00:48:58.000 Yeah, I was going to say it happens to fighters.

00:48:59.000 Oh, yeah.

00:49:00.000 Some fighters lose and they're never the same again.

00:49:03.000 And some fighters lose and then a new version of them emerges in the next fight.

00:49:07.000 You're like, whoa, this dude dialed in.

00:49:09.000 Who would be a good example of that?

00:49:10.000 Charles Oliveira.

00:49:12.000 Oh, yeah.

00:49:12.000 Yeah.

00:49:13.000 He's the best example of it.

00:49:14.000 Because for the longest time, everybody thought he was a quitter.

00:49:17.000 Like, he would just break. 1.00

00:49:18.000 And now he's like one of the scariest motherfuckers alive. 1.00

00:49:21.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:49:21.000 You know, especially this last weekend, the fight with Max Holloway. 0.99

00:49:24.000 Like, good Lord.

00:49:26.000 Like, Max Holloway was a two-to-one favorite in that fight.

00:49:29.000 He got shut out.

00:49:30.000 Yeah.

00:49:31.000 Like, literally, every round was a dominant performance by Oliveira.

00:49:35.000 It was crazy.

00:49:36.000 It's funny, people complaining about that fight, too.

00:49:38.000 It's like the because it was on the ground.

00:49:40.000 Right.

00:49:40.000 Yeah.

00:49:41.000 Yeah.

00:49:41.000 My daughter complained about it.

00:49:42.000 Did she?

00:49:43.000 She's like, me and that was so boring.

00:49:47.000 My kid's a casual.

00:49:47.000 You're a casual.

00:49:49.000 People love a slug fest, don't they?

00:49:50.000 Oh, yeah, they do.

00:49:52.000 They do.

00:49:52.000 They do love a slug fest.

00:49:53.000 Yeah.

00:49:54.000 But, you know, that's that's the sport.

00:49:57.000 The sport is like sometimes it's going to be exciting and sometimes it's just going to be a ground battle.

00:50:02.000 But for me, it was exciting because I was trying to figure out whether Max could get up, what he could do to prevent from getting taken down and whether or not he could figure out a way to reverse the position and get on top.

00:50:15.000 And, you know, when you're watching a guy dominate a world champion like that, it's just you're in Marvel.

00:50:23.000 You're like, wow, this is crazy.

00:50:25.000 I can't believe he's able to do this.

00:50:26.000 This is nuts.

00:50:28.000 I wish I would have started jiu-jitsu when I was small because I tried late 30s and I was like, it was kind of like the golf thing where I was like, well, first of all, it's way cooler than golf.

00:50:38.000 But I was like, the amount of time it's going to take me until this doesn't feel like being smothered.

00:50:42.000 Yeah.

00:50:42.000 It's going to be a long time.

00:50:43.000 And I don't know if I have, I don't know if I can start now.

00:50:46.000 You know what I mean?

00:50:48.000 Yeah, like how long would it take for like a grown person until you actually know what's going on intuitively and it doesn't feel like chaos?

00:50:48.000 I'm sure.

00:50:58.000 Well, there's layers of knowing intuitively.

00:51:01.000 Like there's guys, like even as a black belt, there's guys that I could roll with and I would just get humiliated because they're just so much better than I am. 0.98

00:51:11.000 Like my friend Gordon Ryan, that's his belt up there, Abu Dhabi champion.

00:51:15.000 He's the greatest of all time.

00:51:16.000 Like he's 30.

00:51:17.000 Yeah.

00:51:18.000 The greatest grappler that's ever lived.

00:51:19.000 That's like he man. 0.98

00:51:21.000 He's a freak.

00:51:21.000 He's amazing.

00:51:22.000 But he trains 365 days a year.

00:51:26.000 He does not take breaks off. 1.00

00:51:28.000 Christmas, fuck you. 1.00

00:51:29.000 It's your birthday, fuck you. 1.00

00:51:30.000 Happy Easter, fuck you. 1.00

00:51:32.000 He trains every day, and he trains like twice a day, three times a day. 1.00

00:51:35.000 It's like that is the only way to be the greatest.

00:51:39.000 And, you know, and he's obviously a lot bigger than me, but it's not the best example.

00:51:43.000 But he does that to heavyweight black belts. 0.96

00:51:46.000 It just humiliates them.

00:51:47.000 He writes down on a piece of paper what he's going to do to them and hands it to the judges before the fight.

00:51:53.000 So he's like, I'm going to triangle this guy.

00:51:55.000 That's crazy.

00:51:56.000 And he's doing it to world champions.

00:51:57.000 It's amazing.

00:51:58.000 Like guys who have been like multiple time world champions.

00:52:01.000 Wow.

00:52:01.000 And he's just predicting what he's going to do.

00:52:02.000 And then he passes on every submission until he can get him in that.

00:52:05.000 Like he's having fun.

00:52:06.000 He's like, he's playing with his food.

00:52:08.000 You know, so there's levels to stuff.

00:52:11.000 So to be competent in rolling, you could get there in a couple of years, depending on how often you train.

00:52:17.000 Like Bourdain got really serious at 58.

00:52:20.000 Wow.

00:52:21.000 At 58.

00:52:22.000 That's when he started.

00:52:24.000 Yeah.

00:52:24.000 Oh.

00:52:25.000 When I first met him, he wasn't training at all.

00:52:27.000 When I first met him, he came to the UFC.

00:52:30.000 His wife was really into the UFC.

00:52:32.000 And she had just started doing jiu-jitsu.

00:52:35.000 And she was getting him into the sport.

00:52:39.000 And he really got interested in it.

00:52:40.000 And then she took him to jiu-jitsu classes. 0.99

00:52:43.000 Like, fuck, this is actually kind of fascinating. 0.98

00:52:45.000 And he had never done any kind of athletic things in his whole life. 0.99

00:52:50.000 And then, like, when he was six, there's a photo of him like in his 60s.

00:52:54.000 And he's walking down the street with his, he'd gotten divorced and he was dating some new girl.

00:52:58.000 And he's got a six-pack.

00:53:00.000 And he looks shredded.

00:53:01.000 And when I first met him, he's like doughy and he had a thumb ring and he was like, you know, a chef.

00:53:06.000 And, you know, he was into drinking.

00:53:09.000 And he just became a jiu-jitsu addict. 0.99

00:53:11.000 And he was training every fucking day. 1.00

00:53:13.000 And sometimes twice a day. 1.00

00:53:14.000 He would do a private lesson and then we take a class every day.

00:53:18.000 He got a, and then he told me he was taking his like, when we were hunting in Montana, he we were on the ground in Montana.

00:53:18.000 Yeah.

00:53:18.000 Wow.

00:53:26.000 He wanted to like learn some stuff.

00:53:28.000 So I was explaining him certain, but like, I'm like, when you go for a darse, there's a way to get, there's a thing called the Japanese necktie. 0.94

00:53:34.000 And I was explaining to him on the dirt.

00:53:36.000 I was like, you guys all camoed out doing jiu-jitsu on the ground.

00:53:40.000 But he was like, he was so interested in it that he was like constantly asking questions.

00:53:46.000 And he had guys that were in the crew that had also gotten interested in jiu-jitsu because of him.

00:53:50.000 So like while he was there filming his show, he also went down and was training.

00:53:55.000 He found a local jiu-jitsu gym and he went down there and trained while he was there.

00:53:59.000 He would train everywhere on the road.

00:54:00.000 Yeah, he would go to like foreign countries and train.

00:54:03.000 Like he didn't even speak the language. 0.99

00:54:05.000 And, you know, he's this fucking famous guy from TV. 0.99

00:54:08.000 And he's just rolling in there with like normal people and getting strangled. 0.99

00:54:12.000 That's incredible.

00:54:12.000 58, man.

00:54:13.000 58.

00:54:14.000 I have no excuse.

00:54:15.000 I'm going to start.

00:54:16.000 Yeah.

00:54:16.000 I want to put it in front of my kid for sure.

00:54:16.000 Do it.

00:54:18.000 Oh, definitely.

00:54:19.000 I mean, as soon as he can do it, I want him to try.

00:54:21.000 You know, if he likes it or not, but it's like, I feel like it's one of those things.

00:54:25.000 It's so good to connect with other people in that way from such a young age.

00:54:29.000 It gives you confidence.

00:54:30.000 And then if you love it, if he has a passion for it, you don't have to worry about him becoming a drug addict or something because you can't be both.

00:54:37.000 Right.

00:54:38.000 You know, there's a few things where like you can't be both.

00:54:40.000 You've got to really give that everything.

00:54:42.000 Also, it becomes like a real source of confidence for kids.

00:54:46.000 If they know that they can fight, like they can avoid fights.

00:54:50.000 People won't want to fight them because they'll have a reputation.

00:54:53.000 It's very good to know.

00:54:55.000 It's also like you can get out of things just by knowing how to fight because you know like what people are doing, what they're not doing.

00:55:03.000 You don't say anything stupid because you're trying to trick a person into thinking that you're a tough guy.

00:55:08.000 There's a quiet confidence that comes with these guys. 0.90

00:55:10.000 And also if something does happen, most people have zero idea of how to fight.

00:55:17.000 Zero.

00:55:17.000 And they think they're just going to swing and hit you in the face.

00:55:19.000 And you see all this shit coming way before it happens. 1.00

00:55:22.000 Like you see them moving their right foot back like, oh, God. 1.00

00:55:26.000 Like, here we go.

00:55:27.000 Like, it's like they're playing a game, but they don't even know the rules.

00:55:32.000 Like, they don't even know the skill.

00:55:33.000 They don't know anything, but they've seen it on TV and they think they're going to be able to pull it off, especially if they're drunk.

00:55:38.000 Oh, yeah.

00:55:39.000 There's a whole Instagram channel that's dedicated to fights on 6th Street here.

00:55:43.000 Have you seen this?

00:55:44.000 It's amazing, dude.

00:55:45.000 It's incredible.

00:55:46.000 You can just watch it for hours.

00:55:48.000 I've seen a bunch.

00:55:49.000 Yeah.

00:55:50.000 A lot of them taking place right in front of my club.

00:55:53.000 Fights on the street are so scary because guys fall and they hit their head.

00:55:57.000 That's how people die.

00:55:59.000 People die, but they get punched in the jaw and they go out and they just bang their head off the ground.

00:56:04.000 Or there's a lot of people out there that'll, when you're already out, step on your head or kick your head.

00:56:09.000 You see that a lot.

00:56:10.000 Yeah.

00:56:12.000 I don't understand anyone who has the impulse to do that.

00:56:16.000 That's crazy to me.

00:56:17.000 Like, if you've won the fight already, move on.

00:56:19.000 That's scary stuff.

00:56:21.000 That's evil. 1.00

00:56:22.000 Well, some people that get red with rage and they lose their mind and then they wind up in jail for the rest of their life and then just sitting in a cell going, what the fuck? 1.00

00:56:30.000 One night, drunk, doing something stupid, and now I'm here forever. 1.00

00:56:34.000 It's crazy. 0.99

00:56:34.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:56:35.000 And there's someone's dead.

00:56:37.000 And someone's dead.

00:56:37.000 And someone's parents are crying and someone's missing their father.

00:56:42.000 Like, fuck, man. 1.00

00:56:43.000 Because he looked at my girlfriend. 1.00

00:56:44.000 Yeah.

00:56:45.000 That's crazy. 1.00

00:56:46.000 People are retarded. 1.00

00:56:46.000 I know. 1.00

00:56:47.000 The best thing about fighting is it teaches you not to fight.

00:56:47.000 Yeah.

00:56:51.000 Very few of my friends that know how to fight have ever been in street fights.

00:56:55.000 It almost never happens. 1.00

00:56:57.000 It's just like, it's such a stupid thing to do. 0.99

00:57:00.000 How many times in your life have you had to use it practically in a real life? 0.99

00:57:05.000 Never.

00:57:05.000 Really?

00:57:06.000 Not since I was in high school.

00:57:06.000 Never.

00:57:08.000 I've never been in a fight fight, like an actual fight since high school.

00:57:11.000 I avoid them.

00:57:12.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:57:12.000 I'm not like if I know I can fuck you up and I could just get away. 0.99

00:57:16.000 I'm like, I'll just get away. 0.99

00:57:17.000 I don't need to prove.

00:57:19.000 What's the point?

00:57:21.000 Also, here's the thing. 0.99

00:57:22.000 People always say, oh, if I could fight, I'd fuck people up. 0.99

00:57:24.000 Great. 1.00

00:57:25.000 And then they're going to come back and kill you. 1.00

00:57:27.000 And then they're going to run you over or shoot you. 1.00

00:57:30.000 Don't be stupid. 1.00

00:57:32.000 It's pointless. 1.00

00:57:33.000 It's pointless. 0.98

00:57:34.000 I've had situations where I thought I was going to have to fuck somebody up and I didn't. 0.98

00:57:38.000 But you have to have self-control. 0.99

00:57:42.000 You have to be able to.

00:57:43.000 And also, most people, if they want to fight you, all you have to do is kind of put your hands up and move a little bit.

00:57:49.000 They're not going to be able to do anything.

00:57:50.000 They'll be swinging and you're just like, come on, man.

00:57:53.000 What are we doing here?

00:57:54.000 What are we doing?

00:57:55.000 And the only time people get hurt is when you engage.

00:57:59.000 Like, you're both swinging at each other.

00:58:01.000 If someone's swinging at you and they don't know what they're doing, they have almost no chance of hurting me.

00:58:06.000 Like, it's just zero.

00:58:07.000 Unless I'm asleep, unless I'm really drunk, you have almost zero chance of hitting me.

00:58:13.000 Unless you really know what to do.

00:58:13.000 Right.

00:58:15.000 If you really know how to fight, most of those people really know how to fight aren't fighting people anymore.

00:58:18.000 Street fighting, yeah.

00:58:19.000 Yeah.

00:58:19.000 And I'm not going to provoke anybody.

00:58:20.000 I'm not going to start a fight. 0.96

00:58:22.000 So it's like, I mean, I know a few of my friends that have had to fuck people up. 0.99

00:58:26.000 Gordon had to beat the fuck out of a homeless guy in Austin. 0.98

00:58:29.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:58:30.000 No way.

00:58:30.000 Oh, yeah.

00:58:31.000 Some homeless guy fucked up. 0.99

00:58:32.000 He picked the wrong dude. 1.00

00:58:33.000 Boy, did he.

00:58:34.000 And Gordon tried to get out of it.

00:58:36.000 The guy wouldn't he put him to sleep.

00:58:38.000 Wow.

00:58:39.000 Yeah.

00:58:40.000 Put him to sleep and then call the cops.

00:58:42.000 The cops came and picked the guy up.

00:58:47.000 Humiliating.

00:58:48.000 Oh, my kids.

00:58:49.000 The wrong guy. 1.00

00:58:50.000 But that shows you how fucking stupid people are because Gordon's a gorilla. 1.00

00:58:54.000 He's this big, giant, 240-pound jack dude who's, you know, I don't know how many times jiu-jitsu world champion. 1.00

00:59:02.000 And then some fucking idiot, you know, probably high out of his mind. 1.00

00:59:06.000 Yeah, drugs are going to be a good one. 1.00

00:59:07.000 He picks a fight with him.

00:59:08.000 I think he picked a fight with his girlfriend first. 1.00

00:59:09.000 I think he'd fuck with his girlfriend and fuck with another guy. 1.00

00:59:12.000 Just a problem. 1.00

00:59:13.000 Some guys are just nuts, man. 1.00

00:59:15.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:59:16.000 And, you know, mental health issues. 1.00

00:59:18.000 But fights are stupid. 1.00

00:59:20.000 They're so pointless. 1.00

00:59:22.000 You know, organized fights is a different thing.

00:59:24.000 I mean, that's high-level problem-solving with dire physical consequences.

00:59:28.000 That's what I call it.

00:59:29.000 That's what a real fight is.

00:59:30.000 Like, we'll both agree we're going to make a certain weight.

00:59:34.000 We're going to meet September 7th.

00:59:37.000 Here it is.

00:59:38.000 That's a different thing.

00:59:39.000 It's like a chess match and you can't breathe.

00:59:39.000 It's a beautiful thing.

00:59:41.000 You know, crazy.

00:59:43.000 Yeah, that's a good way to put it.

00:59:44.000 Yeah.

00:59:44.000 But in chess, the pieces can only move a certain way.

00:59:47.000 Right.

00:59:48.000 In jiu-jitsu, what's nuts is there's like so many different variations.

00:59:51.000 And then you add in striking and wrestling.

00:59:53.000 I'm like, oh, my God.

00:59:55.000 It's so cold.

00:59:56.000 I love it.

00:59:57.000 I'll never get tired of watching MMA.

00:59:59.000 It's the most exciting thing ever for me.

01:00:01.000 I like other sports.

01:00:02.000 Like, I've really grown to love football since I moved to Texas.

01:00:06.000 And I can watch a good basketball game.

01:00:08.000 Baseball's hard.

01:00:10.000 But to me, it's all just downtime unless fights are on.

01:00:14.000 If fights are on, I'm not watching anything else.

01:00:16.000 I've been at football games, like at UT games with the UFC on my phone sitting there while I'm watching the UFC.

01:00:25.000 Man, I wish I had football envy.

01:00:28.000 I went to a Christian school in Ohio, and we didn't have a football team.

01:00:30.000 And I feel like if you don't grow up around it in high school, you just don't understand the nuance.

01:00:35.000 I understand the rules, and I get it, but I just, I don't know, I don't love it like people do, and I wish I did.

01:00:41.000 I wish the stakes just, I don't understand it.

01:00:43.000 I don't understand the team sport thing as much as I do.

01:00:47.000 Like, I love MMA.

01:00:48.000 I love watching UFC because it's like the stakes are so high.

01:00:51.000 Something about one-on-one, who's the better person today.

01:00:55.000 You know, that's, you know, you can't, there's no one to blame it on.

01:00:58.000 Right.

01:00:58.000 It's just one person.

01:00:59.000 It's a different thing.

01:01:01.000 Like, I have grown to love it living here.

01:01:03.000 My wife is a big football fan. 1.00

01:01:05.000 And so she got me into it. 0.98

01:01:07.000 And then I've gone to a bunch of UT games and they're fucking fun, man. 0.93

01:01:11.000 And it's like when someone scores a touchdown, everybody wins. 0.96

01:01:15.000 Like the whole team cheer, like the whole audience, like 80,000 people.

01:01:20.000 And there's something to that.

01:01:21.000 Right.

01:01:22.000 Because like when fighters fight and someone gets knocked out, like people cheer and it's exciting.

01:01:27.000 But like, you know, you never know who's like if you're watching Justin Gaetchy fight Max Holloway.

01:01:32.000 I don't know who's for Justin Gaetchy, who's for Max Holloway.

01:01:35.000 You look out there, like everybody's wearing UT colors, right?

01:01:39.000 Or they're wearing, you know, Oklahoma colors.

01:01:42.000 Like it's like you've got your colors.

01:01:44.000 Everybody, you've got your outfits.

01:01:45.000 Everybody's pumped.

01:01:46.000 They cheer when this guy scores.

01:01:48.000 They boo when that guy scores.

01:01:50.000 It's like more of a team.

01:01:51.000 Everybody wins together.

01:01:53.000 Whereas like with MMA, you know, it's like you're just watching an individual.

01:01:53.000 Yeah.

01:02:01.000 You're appreciating an individual who's a rare human being, a type of human being that becomes a guy, could become an MMA world champion.

01:02:09.000 That is a truly special human. 0.93

01:02:12.000 Like the amount of dedication and drive, and the amount of focus and discipline and the courage that you have to have to get in your fucking underwear and stand there with a cup on, with little tiny pads on your gloves in front of another savage, like another train killer who's been training for 18 weeks for this one moment. 0.98

01:02:30.000 And they bolt the door shut to the cage. 0.97

01:02:33.000 And then the referee goes, Fighter, are you ready?

01:02:35.000 Fight, are you ready?

01:02:36.000 Let's go. 0.99

01:02:37.000 Crazy.

01:02:38.000 And then the whole world is watching.

01:02:39.000 You're surrounded by 20,000 people and lights and cheering. 1.00

01:02:43.000 And you're trying to keep your shit together and you're getting kicked. 0.99

01:02:48.000 How do you sleep the night before that? 1.00

01:02:49.000 That would be my thing.

01:02:50.000 I don't think I get hard.

01:02:51.000 I wouldn't be able to sleep.

01:02:52.000 I would always get sick.

01:02:52.000 It's hard.

01:02:54.000 I would get sick before tournaments because I wasn't sleeping.

01:02:56.000 Right.

01:02:56.000 And I was training really hard.

01:02:58.000 And I didn't even take vitamins back then. 0.99

01:03:00.000 I was a dumbass. 0.99

01:03:01.000 But because I was young. 0.99

01:03:02.000 I stopped fighting when I was 22.

01:03:04.000 But for a lot of these guys, it is hard.

01:03:07.000 It's really hard to just relax.

01:03:09.000 And then they grow to learn how to relax.

01:03:12.000 And then it's really scary.

01:03:14.000 Then it's really hard to beat them because a lot of guys are terrified before they even get like Anderson Silva in his prime.

01:03:20.000 He would win fights at the weigh-ins because they would just like look at him and he would be standing there staring at you and you're like, oh my God, I have to fight this guy tomorrow.

01:03:28.000 Oh my, what have I done?

01:03:29.000 Why am I doing this in my life?

01:03:31.000 Imagine doing that stare down Mike Tyson back in the day.

01:03:34.000 Oh, that'd be the most terrifying.

01:03:36.000 Oh, dude, it was.

01:03:37.000 It was.

01:03:38.000 There would be guys that look like they were going to faint while the referee was giving them instructions. 0.99

01:03:42.000 You know, I remember he fought Bruce Selden and Bruce Selden, who was a beast, man, he's a fucking tank of a man. 0.97

01:03:48.000 And he looked like he was going to faint during the stare down. 0.99

01:03:52.000 I can't imagine.

01:03:53.000 Yeah.

01:03:53.000 Yeah, he was the scariest of all time.

01:03:56.000 He was.

01:03:57.000 He was absolutely the scariest of all time.

01:03:58.000 The scariest boxer that I've ever seen in my life. 0.96

01:04:01.000 And there was a period of time between like 1986 and like probably like around 1990 where he was just fucking running through everybody. 0.83

01:04:10.000 It was so you would buy the pay-per-view knowing that the guy was going to get knocked out and hoping that you get your money's worth.

01:04:17.000 Because pay-per-view is like whatever it was, 50 bucks or something. 0.99

01:04:20.000 You know, like if it's like 30 seconds, you're like, oh, that's bullshit. 0.95

01:04:25.000 People would get upset that the pay-per-view was so quick. 0.98

01:04:29.000 But I mean, that's what you were, that's what you're signing up for.

01:04:33.000 And those kind of guys, I mean, when you got a guy that's got every box checked, discipline, focus, training, genetics, everything all together, mindset.

01:04:47.000 He would beat guys like long before they ever got in there because they knew that they were fighting this demon, this guy that just was so much better than everybody else.

01:04:47.000 Right.

01:04:56.000 And there's no way you could catch up to him.

01:04:58.000 No.

01:04:59.000 Is it true about his, wasn't it like his trainer died and then kind of he lost the whole thing?

01:05:06.000 Yeah.

01:05:07.000 Well, his trainer was Customato.

01:05:09.000 And Customato was a legendary figure in boxing.

01:05:13.000 He had trained Floyd Patterson, Jose Torres.

01:05:19.000 He trained like a lot of legit world champions.

01:05:23.000 And he was also a hypnotist.

01:05:25.000 And he adopted.

01:05:27.000 Yeah, he was a hypnotist.

01:05:29.000 Well, he was really into the mental side of fighting.

01:05:31.000 He was more almost like as much of a psychologist as he was a boxing trainer.

01:05:36.000 It was all about tempering their mind and getting them ready.

01:05:40.000 Like he would tell Mike Tyson, you don't exist.

01:05:42.000 Only the task exists. 1.00

01:05:44.000 We'd say crazy shit to him. 1.00

01:05:46.000 And he adopted him when he was 13. 1.00

01:05:48.000 So Mike was 13 and he came from Bedfordsty in Brooklyn.

01:05:53.000 It was a horrible neighborhood.

01:05:55.000 So his whole life was like crime and violence and no love and just terrible.

01:06:00.000 And then all of a sudden this man took him under his wing who was also a legendary figure in boxing.

01:06:05.000 Legendary.

01:06:06.000 Like he was like, he was the guru.

01:06:09.000 And he basically, it was like the perfect storm.

01:06:14.000 And then he was also, his manager was this guy, Jim Jacobs.

01:06:17.000 And Jim Jacobs was not just a manager.

01:06:20.000 He was an historian of boxing.

01:06:22.000 And he had this incredible library of all the great fighters. 0.99

01:06:25.000 So he would watch film, you know, like fucking those. 0.91

01:06:29.000 He like have a projection screen and he would watch film of like Jack Johnson and Stanley Ketchell and Sandy Sadler and all these great fighters from back in the day, Roberto Duran. 0.98

01:06:40.000 He would sit there and absorb all these amazing fights.

01:06:43.000 And when you can watch, like that's one of the great things about today, like especially with MMA.

01:06:49.000 Like if you look at the fights from 1993 and the fights from 2026, the skill level is like magnitudes greater because all these guys have grown up watching all these fights now.

01:07:03.000 Because from the time that MMA existed, it was on television.

01:07:06.000 You could watch it on YouTube after that.

01:07:08.000 And it was like, there was always fights that you could see.

01:07:11.000 So you could see what guys were doing.

01:07:13.000 So you had an understanding of the level.

01:07:15.000 So kids would grow up imitating their favorite fighters.

01:07:19.000 You know, I'd grow up, you know, imitating John Jones and imitating Kane Velasquez and all these guys.

01:07:24.000 And you would, you, you, you could absorb a lot just by seeing the elite level of these guys.

01:07:31.000 And Mike Tyson was one of the only guys back then that had that ability.

01:07:35.000 Because he had this immense library of the greatest fights of all time.

01:07:35.000 Interesting.

01:07:40.000 And so he would be training with one of the greatest trainers that ever lived, who's probably the greatest psychological trainer that ever lived.

01:07:46.000 Also, the guy was hypnotizing him at 13, programming him to be this destruction machine.

01:07:52.000 And then he was watching fights.

01:07:54.000 So he was watching all these guys, Jack Johnson, and all these like great old school champions and Jack Dempsey.

01:08:01.000 And he just absorbed it all.

01:08:03.000 Incredible. 0.99

01:08:04.000 And he would get in that ring with fucking no socks on and no robe and just like a throwback. 0.98

01:08:09.000 He was like one, he was like, he absorbed the energy of those old, great fighters, the Sugar Ray Robinsons and the hardcore old school guys who would fight like once a week, once every two weeks. 0.98

01:08:23.000 Dude, is that how often they were doing that?

01:08:25.000 Oh, they fought so many times.

01:08:26.000 I think before Sugar A. Robinson ever lost a fight, he was 90-0, something crazy like that.

01:08:33.000 Wow.

01:08:34.000 Just something.

01:08:34.000 Yeah.

01:08:35.000 90. 0.99

01:08:36.000 Fucking crazy. 1.00

01:08:38.000 Just crazy. 1.00

01:08:39.000 Yeah.

01:08:39.000 That's wild.

01:08:40.000 And to be able to watch that kind of stuff when you're young, you absorb it.

01:08:45.000 Sure.

01:08:46.000 It's like kids that play instruments now.

01:08:48.000 Sure.

01:08:49.000 I mean, you'll see an eight-year-old online who's better than any drummer in the 70s.

01:08:53.000 It's crazy.

01:08:53.000 Right.

01:08:54.000 Just how quick they can, how quickly they can get better now.

01:08:57.000 Oh, yeah.

01:08:57.000 Because they have access to everyone all the time.

01:09:00.000 So cool.

01:09:01.000 I would imagine that's like that with all sports now.

01:09:03.000 But, you know, like you can, like, you could go back and watch, if you're a basketball player, you could go back and watch Jordan.

01:09:09.000 You can watch Larry Bird.

01:09:10.000 You can watch, you know, LeBron, Kobe.

01:09:13.000 You could watch all these great basketball players and see what they're doing.

01:09:16.000 Whereas if you were young, you know, in the 60s or 70s, like you only got to see the people you saw.

01:09:22.000 Yeah.

01:09:23.000 You were as good as the people you were around, which is why it was so important to be a part of a great program in high school and college.

01:09:29.000 Because then you'd be around like, and then you'd go to the States and see how these guys are doing.

01:09:32.000 Oh, these guys are better than us.

01:09:34.000 Like, I remember that from wrestling.

01:09:36.000 Like, the only time when I was wrestling in high school, the only time you get to see like really good guys, you'd go somewhere else.

01:09:40.000 Like, I went to school in Newton, Newton South High School, and we had good wrestlers in our program. 0.99

01:09:47.000 And I thought they were good until I would go to the States and you go, oh, my God, these fucking guys. 0.99

01:09:51.000 These kids are going to camps every year. 0.99

01:09:53.000 They were wrestling 365 days a year.

01:09:55.000 They're like obsessed with it. 1.00

01:09:57.000 And then if you go to like Iowa or somewhere like that, like, good lord, it's a fucking religion there. 0.99

01:10:02.000 I mean, they've been doing that since they were babies. 0.99

01:10:05.000 You know, it's like you absorb what you see and your brain rises to the level of the competition that you see.

01:10:05.000 Yeah.

01:10:15.000 The last time I was really into a boxer was Loma.

01:10:18.000 I love watching him.

01:10:18.000 Oh.

01:10:19.000 Oh, dude.

01:10:20.000 He's got a cool story too.

01:10:21.000 Didn't his dad make him do ballet for a while?

01:10:23.000 Ukrainian dance for two years.

01:10:25.000 Pulled him out of boxing for two years.

01:10:28.000 That guy moves like it doesn't look real.

01:10:30.000 Like people shouldn't be able to move like that.

01:10:30.000 Right.

01:10:32.000 The Matrix they call it.

01:10:33.000 Yeah.

01:10:33.000 Beautiful.

01:10:34.000 He would do footwork that no one had even considered doing before.

01:10:34.000 Yeah.

01:10:38.000 The movement, the slipping to the side and the angles.

01:10:41.000 And his ability to change direction was crazy because he would be here and then he'd be here and then you're swinging and he's here and he's hitting you and he's bang.

01:10:49.000 And he also was way smaller than everybody.

01:10:51.000 He was way smaller than everybody.

01:10:53.000 Like he was supposed to be 126 pound fighter and he went all the way up to the 140 pound division.

01:10:58.000 Are there like a lot of younger guys doing that sort of style now coming up or is it like a one-off?

01:11:04.000 It is kind of a one-off.

01:11:05.000 Usik does it, but Usuk was trained by Lomachenko's father.

01:11:10.000 They were trained by the same guy.

01:11:11.000 Usik is essentially like a heavyweight Lomachenko.

01:11:15.000 That's why he moves so much.

01:11:16.000 Dangerous.

01:11:18.000 That guy's a freak. 1.00

01:11:19.000 He's a freak. 0.86

01:11:20.000 He's a pleasure to watch.

01:11:22.000 Watching that guy.

01:11:23.000 I mean, he's beating guys that are so much bigger than him.

01:11:26.000 When he beat Tyson Fury, Tyson Fury was like 280 pounds.

01:11:30.000 And he's like a cruiserweight.

01:11:31.000 He was really a 200-pound guy that blew up to compete against heavyweights.

01:11:36.000 He's much smaller than those guys.

01:11:38.000 But he was so fast.

01:11:39.000 And so, and just his pattern recognition, his understanding of boxing is just elite, like so many levels above everybody else.

01:11:48.000 And he's 38.

01:11:49.000 Like at 38, you're supposed to be done. 1.00

01:11:52.000 38, he's in his fucking prime. 1.00

01:11:52.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:11:52.000 No. 1.00

01:11:54.000 Amazing. 0.99

01:11:55.000 Also, clean life, clean living, like serious Christian, like very, very religious, you know, doesn't party, doesn't fuck around, you know, and just trains with like rigid discipline. 0.99

01:12:07.000 Yeah.

01:12:08.000 That Soviet-style discipline, the Ukrainian discipline, like those guys, like their program over there, like you can see it like in Dmitry Bival and a lot of the other like Soviet-style boxers, they have like a very comprehensive technical program that they put their fighters under.

01:12:23.000 There's a style, like Bival is the best example of that style.

01:12:28.000 It's such a fucking difficult style because it's so movement-based.

01:12:32.000 And a lot of like American fighters were kind of rigid in their footwork and moving forward, just trying to land the big shots. 0.98

01:12:38.000 And like, Bival is just moving around you all the time, popping you, and like, oh.

01:12:43.000 Yeah.

01:12:44.000 Sort of like the Dagestani guys in the MMA.

01:12:46.000 Same thing.

01:12:47.000 Oh, yeah.

01:12:48.000 You're not going to beat those guys because it's all they do.

01:12:50.000 Bro, they're in.

01:12:51.000 Eat and breathe it.

01:12:52.000 They're in Muay Thai now.

01:12:53.000 There's this kid that I'm obsessed with.

01:12:56.000 He's 22 years old.

01:12:58.000 His name is Asadullah Iman Gazaliev. 0.60

01:13:02.000 I don't want to fuck it up. 0.63

01:13:03.000 Asadullah Iman Gazaliev. 1.00

01:13:06.000 He's a fucking freak, man. 1.00

01:13:08.000 He's 22 years old and he's destroying world champions in Muay Thai. 1.00

01:13:13.000 Just killing them. 0.57

01:13:14.000 He's Dagestani? 1.00

01:13:15.000 Oh, wow.

01:13:15.000 So the Dagestanis are taking over Strike Cano now.

01:13:15.000 Yeah.

01:13:18.000 Good. 0.99

01:13:18.000 Well, this guy's nuts, man. 0.99

01:13:20.000 He's so fluid, too. 0.99

01:13:23.000 It's nuts to watch him, man.

01:13:26.000 He moves like nobody else moves.

01:13:28.000 He's real tall for the weight class, so you can't even get close to him. 0.99

01:13:32.000 He's fucking you up from the outside. 0.99

01:13:34.000 This is the guy. 1.00

01:13:38.000 This guy is a fucking freak, man. 1.00

01:13:40.000 He's just doing things different than everybody else. 1.00

01:13:44.000 Wow.

01:13:44.000 And he's destroying people.

01:13:46.000 Just destroying everyone.

01:13:48.000 Everyone he fights.

01:13:51.000 He's so unusual, man.

01:13:54.000 And again, he's from a hard part of the world, man. 0.94

01:13:58.000 You know, you grow up in some fucking soft neighborhood and your dad takes you to karate classes. 1.00

01:14:05.000 You got to fight this fucking dude. 1.00

01:14:05.000 No chance. 1.00

01:14:07.000 This guy's fighting for his dinner.

01:14:09.000 He's just murking people.

01:14:10.000 And it's also, he comes from a culture that reveres combat sports.

01:14:15.000 You know, they have their champions, guys like Islam Makachev, Khabib Nergamedov.

01:14:21.000 Like, they're legends over there.

01:14:22.000 Yeah.

01:14:22.000 You know, and everybody grows up wanting to be one of those guys.

01:14:25.000 Where was Fedor from?

01:14:27.000 He's from Russia.

01:14:28.000 Oh, yeah, he was the first.

01:14:28.000 Is he?

01:14:29.000 I was watching him growing up, man.

01:14:30.000 He was the first.

01:14:31.000 So I used to watch him before auditions.

01:14:33.000 Really?

01:14:34.000 Yeah, there was just something about his mindset where it's like he was so even keel.

01:14:38.000 Yeah, stoic.

01:14:39.000 Yeah, it's like his heart rate didn't change or something.

01:14:41.000 Even when he won, he'd just be like, and like sort of walk off.

01:14:44.000 Yeah.

01:14:45.000 Yeah, his expression never changed.

01:14:48.000 Yeah.

01:14:48.000 He was one of the all-time greats, if not the all-time great.

01:14:52.000 He was different than everybody else.

01:14:54.000 And he was a heavyweight that could submit you.

01:14:56.000 He could knock you out.

01:14:57.000 He was fast.

01:14:58.000 He wasn't big.

01:14:59.000 I mean, he was like 5'11.

01:15:00.000 Very unassuming.

01:15:01.000 You wouldn't know he was the most dangerous guy in the world.

01:15:01.000 Yeah.

01:15:04.000 Belly fat. 1.00

01:15:05.000 He didn't give a fuck what he looked like. 1.00

01:15:07.000 He was all about how he could perform. 0.99

01:15:09.000 Right.

01:15:10.000 You know, and he was a part of that era where MMA emerged.

01:15:16.000 And in Japan, it was so much bigger than it was in America. 0.87

01:15:20.000 During the Pride days when Fedor was run and shit, there was 90,000 people in those arenas. 0.89

01:15:26.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:15:26.000 Whoa. 0.99

01:15:27.000 They were doing like the Tokyo Superdome.

01:15:29.000 They were doing these gigantic arenas.

01:15:32.000 And like everyone was a fan in the country.

01:15:35.000 And then it all went away because the Yakuza was involved and there was a big scandal.

01:15:41.000 And, you know, like MMA was bigger in Japan than it was anywhere in the world.

01:15:46.000 And it just kind of like fizzled out.

01:15:48.000 Did you ever go to any of those in Japan?

01:15:49.000 I went to a UFC once in Japan.

01:15:51.000 We did one UFC in Japan and I went there.

01:15:53.000 It was really cool.

01:15:54.000 It was just, I was just really happy to be in Japan for a fight because I've been such a fan of Japanese martial artists and Japanese martial arts period.

01:16:04.000 And like I have a, I mean, I have Miyamoto Musashi tattooed on my arm.

01:16:08.000 But being in there in Japan was like, it was interesting because they were so educated.

01:16:13.000 Like they were really quiet while the fights are going on.

01:16:16.000 But then when something would happen, even something really technical, like somebody passing the guard, they would go, oh, and they would all clap.

01:16:23.000 Like I was like, whoa, this is interesting.

01:16:25.000 Yeah.

01:16:25.000 Like it was like, you could hear each corner yelling instructions.

01:16:29.000 Like you didn't hear the crowd at all.

01:16:31.000 There's 16,000 people in there.

01:16:31.000 Wow.

01:16:33.000 It was wild.

01:16:33.000 That's cool.

01:16:34.000 It was a completely different kind of audience.

01:16:37.000 Like very respectful, very appreciative, and very knowledgeable.

01:16:42.000 It was cool.

01:16:43.000 Do you think if you didn't do what you did, would you rather watch like UFC in person or would you watch it at home?

01:16:51.000 In person's the best.

01:16:53.000 You want to be there.

01:16:54.000 You want to feel the crowd.

01:16:55.000 But I would want to be there where I sit.

01:16:57.000 Like I'm super spoiled.

01:16:58.000 Yeah, you got the best CD.

01:17:00.000 Yeah, I'm like, I could reach up and grab a cage.

01:17:02.000 It's right there.

01:17:03.000 Like, I'm so spoiled.

01:17:05.000 But, you know, if you're in the bleeders, if you're in like the nosebleeds, you're probably better off watching it at home, honestly, because then you get the commentary, you get to see replays, you get to see, you know, like close up.

01:17:19.000 If you've got a big TV at home, you get to see everything.

01:17:22.000 I just sat close for the first time.

01:17:23.000 I went to the Patty Gaci fight.

01:17:25.000 Oh, did you?

01:17:26.000 It was amazing.

01:17:26.000 That was a good one.

01:17:27.000 It was amazing, dude.

01:17:28.000 But yeah, it's definitely different hearing the sound.

01:17:30.000 Oh, yeah.

01:17:31.000 It's like a whole, when you hear like bone on bone, you're like, whoa.

01:17:34.000 Well, my favorite was during the pandemic.

01:17:36.000 We had fights at the UFC Apex with no crowd.

01:17:40.000 It was insane.

01:17:41.000 It was so, because we were world championship fights with no crowd.

01:17:45.000 That's crazy.

01:17:46.000 There was maybe like 50, 100 people in the room.

01:17:49.000 It was like mostly just staff of the UFC, the trainers of the fighters, and some of the other fighters in the audience, some friends in the audience.

01:17:49.000 Wow.

01:17:56.000 And that's it.

01:17:57.000 And the UFC Apex has a smaller ring, too, a smaller cage.

01:18:01.000 So it's like, I think it's like, I want to say it's 40% smaller.

01:18:05.000 It's a lot smaller.

01:18:06.000 Really?

01:18:07.000 Yeah.

01:18:07.000 I didn't know that.

01:18:08.000 Yeah, it's smaller.

01:18:09.000 How would that affect a fight?

01:18:10.000 A lot.

01:18:11.000 Practically.

01:18:12.000 You can't move as much.

01:18:13.000 Not as much distance to get away.

01:18:15.000 So a guy who likes to move around a lot and get away from people.

01:18:18.000 Like I saw Francis Ngano versus Steve Miyochi when Francis won the title in the Apex with no crowd.

01:18:25.000 That's crazy.

01:18:26.000 And when Francis hits things, it's like hearing a baseball bat hitting a pumpkin.

01:18:32.000 It's just whoomp!

01:18:34.000 And you're right there.

01:18:35.000 You hear them breathing.

01:18:36.000 You hear the gracks when they get hit. 1.00

01:18:40.000 You hear the coaches yelling out, hands up, hands up, move, move, move. 0.95

01:18:44.000 Hit them with the one.

01:18:45.000 One, two. 0.96

01:18:46.000 They're yelling out instructions and it's like there's no one else there.

01:18:49.000 And it's silent.

01:18:50.000 It's amazing.

01:18:50.000 Wow.

01:18:51.000 So that's the way.

01:18:52.000 Oh, that's my favorite.

01:18:53.000 Cool.

01:18:54.000 But there's something about an amazing crowd, you know, like when you're watching a big world title fight in Vegas or the Madison Square Guard is an incredible place because the history of the place.

01:19:06.000 You feel it when you're in Madison Square Garden.

01:19:09.000 But my favorite is the Apex.

01:19:12.000 How are you feeling about this White House cart?

01:19:14.000 That's insane.

01:19:15.000 Makes me a little nervous.

01:19:17.000 I don't know if it's the best idea.

01:19:18.000 Yeah, it seems like it's opening some room for some tomfoolery.

01:19:24.000 It seems like it.

01:19:25.000 Yeah.

01:19:26.000 The card is not what they wanted it to be, for sure.

01:19:29.000 They wanted it to be like all world titles.

01:19:32.000 But, you know, matchmakers have a very difficult task.

01:19:36.000 It's very hard to find people that aren't injured, that are like, that are ready at this particular time because the brutal aspect of this sport is that guys are always hurt.

01:19:48.000 They're always training hurt.

01:19:50.000 They're always getting hurt.

01:19:51.000 They fight hurt.

01:19:53.000 No one, very rarely is anyone going into the octagon 100%.

01:19:57.000 Sure.

01:19:57.000 There's always something going on.

01:19:58.000 Guys are dealing with staph infections in camp and they're taking antibiotics and it fucks with your endurance and maybe they've got a muscle pull or a knee that's fucked up. 0.90

01:20:08.000 And when Francis Singano fought Cyril Gon, he blew his ACL out.

01:20:13.000 So he had to wrap his leg up and he had one leg and he beat him with one leg.

01:20:17.000 It's crazy.

01:20:18.000 Guys have fought with broken hands.

01:20:21.000 Alex Pereira, he's beaten guys with a broken foot.

01:20:25.000 He fights with a broken foot.

01:20:26.000 Just stoic standing there. 1.00

01:20:28.000 Knows his foot's broken, doesn't give a fuck. 0.99

01:20:30.000 He fought with a bad knee. 0.99

01:20:31.000 His knee needed surgery.

01:20:33.000 There's a fight that he fought, Yuri Prohasca, where he's on top of Yuri.

01:20:37.000 They stop the fight and he does a forward roll to get off of him after he knocked him out because he couldn't stand on his left leg.

01:20:44.000 I didn't know that.

01:20:45.000 Was that like a known thing while the fight was happening?

01:20:48.000 No.

01:20:48.000 Oh.

01:20:49.000 I remember that fight.

01:20:49.000 He had surgery.

01:20:50.000 That's crazy.

01:20:51.000 Yeah, he had surgery after the fight.

01:20:53.000 Pereira's really big in our house because Brazil, right?

01:20:55.000 Oh, yeah.

01:20:56.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:20:57.000 Those Brazilians, man, they love each other.

01:20:59.000 It's crazy.

01:21:00.000 My wife, she doesn't even care about MMA that much, but if there's a Brazilian fighting, she's all about it. 1.00

01:21:04.000 Oh, yeah.

01:21:05.000 Very, very proud people.

01:21:07.000 And it's also like Brazil's where it all started.

01:21:09.000 They were having MMA fights in Brazil in the 1930s.

01:21:12.000 Really?

01:21:13.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

01:21:14.000 Elio Gracie, who's really the founder of all this shit, he's the father of like the Gracie clan. 0.98

01:21:20.000 The Gracie family is like the greatest story in the history of martial arts. 0.98

01:21:25.000 That one family has changed martial arts forever.

01:21:28.000 And it really changed it because of Carlos Gracie and Elio Gracie and Carlson Gracie.

01:21:34.000 These three Gracies who competed in these no rules fights. 0.99

01:21:39.000 They didn't have time limits back then, no gloves, no nothing.

01:21:43.000 And they were fighting in giant crowds in Brazil in the 1930s, 1940s.

01:21:48.000 And they were figuring things out that nobody had figured out before.

01:21:51.000 They figured out, they took techniques from judo.

01:21:55.000 Like judo was mostly about throws, but there was some submissions.

01:22:01.000 And so they concentrated only on the submissions.

01:22:04.000 And they created Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.

01:22:07.000 Like Jiu-Jitsu, which was a Japanese martial art.

01:22:10.000 But Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu is far more technical than Japanese Jiu-Jitsu.

01:22:14.000 And even Japanese guys now train Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.

01:22:17.000 I was going to say, is there any, are there purists that only do the Japanese style still or not really?

01:22:21.000 You can't really compete.

01:22:24.000 I mean, you could because everybody kind of knows everything now because Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu has made its way into every other sport.

01:22:31.000 Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu has made its way into Russian Sambo, which is another combat sport, which is also elite.

01:22:37.000 But Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu changed the game.

01:22:39.000 And the Gracie family changed everything forever.

01:22:43.000 And, you know, and the guy who fought in the UFC, Hoist, he wasn't even the best guy in the family.

01:22:49.000 He told everybody, my brother Hickson kills me.

01:22:51.000 Hickson was the man.

01:22:52.000 Like, Hickson was above and beyond everyone back then.

01:22:57.000 He was a guy who did yoga.

01:22:59.000 He was meditating.

01:23:00.000 He did this crazy thing with his stomach where he would do this breathing where his stomach would suck in.

01:23:05.000 He was like a real freak.

01:23:07.000 And he was undefeated.

01:23:08.000 Like, nobody could touch him.

01:23:10.000 He would go and do these seminars.

01:23:13.000 So he'd teach a seminar and teach it to all these black belts, and then he would roll with all of them non-stop and just tap out everybody. 1.00

01:23:22.000 World champions, they'd all be like, ah, this is a bunch of hype.

01:23:22.000 Everybody.

01:23:25.000 And they go there, eh?

01:23:27.000 They all get arm barred.

01:23:28.000 They all get leg locked.

01:23:29.000 Like, it was crazy.

01:23:30.000 He was so much better than everybody else.

01:23:32.000 And so they wanted Hoist to win because Hickson also was like pretty jacked and he was like really fit.

01:23:39.000 And he was really into strength and conditioning.

01:23:43.000 And like I said, yoga.

01:23:44.000 He was incredibly flexible.

01:23:46.000 Like he could stand there and do the splits and hold his leg up in the air on a balance bar.

01:23:50.000 Is he the one that wrote that book?

01:23:52.000 Yeah, I read that.

01:23:52.000 Yeah.

01:23:53.000 It's awesome.

01:23:53.000 Yeah.

01:23:54.000 And he had that documentary.

01:23:55.000 It's a great documentary called Choke.

01:23:57.000 Phenomenal documentary about his rise through Japan Valley Tudo.

01:24:02.000 And then he was the guy.

01:24:03.000 He was the guy they based the first Pride event on.

01:24:06.000 Oh, okay.

01:24:07.000 He was the champion of the first Pride event.

01:24:09.000 He was the guy that the whole thing was based on because he was huge in Japan.

01:24:13.000 I mean, he was a superstar in Japan.

01:24:15.000 But he was the champion of the family.

01:24:17.000 And they wanted Hoist to do it because Hoist was like smaller and he would show that Jiu-Jitsu was about technique.

01:24:24.000 That makes sense.

01:24:25.000 And the plan was: if Hoyce ever got beat, throw in Hickson.

01:24:29.000 Oh, okay. 1.00

01:24:29.000 And everybody's fucked. 1.00

01:24:31.000 But Hickson, like his brother Horian, started the UFC, and Horian and Hickson had friction, and Horian really couldn't control Hickson. 0.98

01:24:40.000 And so they were like, let's put Hoyce in.

01:24:42.000 And if we need to call on Hickson, we'll call the boogeyman.

01:24:46.000 He was the boogeyman.

01:24:47.000 Remember the guy?

01:24:48.000 I think it was UFC One who had the one glove, the one boxing?

01:24:50.000 Yeah, Archimerson.

01:24:52.000 What was that about?

01:24:52.000 Yeah.

01:24:53.000 Well, I think he decided he wanted to be able to hold on to people and he wanted to punch them with his right hand.

01:24:59.000 Weird tactic. 0.99

01:25:01.000 Well, no one knew what the fuck they were doing back then. 0.98

01:25:06.000 Everybody had this idea of what fighting was, and they didn't really know until they got taken down. 0.98

01:25:11.000 There he is.

01:25:12.000 Oh, it was his left hand.

01:25:13.000 So that's interesting.

01:25:14.000 So I guess he wanted to pop him with a jab. 0.99

01:25:17.000 Hoyce just fucking put it to that guy. 0.99

01:25:20.000 Amazing. 0.99

01:25:21.000 But Hoyce was doing something that nobody had seen before.

01:25:23.000 And that one event when he was doing that to people, it changed everything.

01:25:28.000 It changed my opinion of martial arts.

01:25:31.000 I immediately started taking jiu-jitsu.

01:25:33.000 I was like, oh, my God.

01:25:34.000 You were Taekwondo?

01:25:35.000 I started in Taekwondo, and then I did kickboxing for a while.

01:25:39.000 And then, as soon as I saw the UFC, I immediately started taking jiu-jitsu.

01:25:43.000 I was like, oh, God, I don't.

01:25:45.000 And then when I started taking it, I was so cocky.

01:25:47.000 I was like, I know how to fight.

01:25:48.000 And then I took classes, was just getting manhandled and mauled and tapped left and right.

01:25:52.000 I was like, oh, my God, I'm a beginner.

01:25:54.000 This is so humiliating.

01:25:55.000 And I was like, I got to get good at this.

01:25:58.000 I couldn't believe how helpless I was. 0.99

01:26:00.000 I was running around thinking I was a badass and I was just a fool. 0.97

01:26:05.000 Yeah, I'll hummer you real quick. 0.98

01:26:06.000 Oh, so humble.

01:26:07.000 I can't do that.

01:26:08.000 I did it for maybe a couple months.

01:26:10.000 And I just, I never made it past the hump.

01:26:12.000 I should probably try again.

01:26:13.000 Get a trainer.

01:26:14.000 Get a guy who can do drills with you.

01:26:16.000 That's really huge.

01:26:17.000 If you can get someone to do drills with you and just go over on a one-on-one basis, the finer aspects of it and just do drills and drills, drills over and over again.

01:26:30.000 And then slowly start working your way into group classes.

01:26:33.000 Yeah.

01:26:34.000 I think the thing is with, you know, if you go to a boxing class, Muay Thai class, you get to get some frustration out.

01:26:34.000 That's the key.

01:26:40.000 Right.

01:26:41.000 Because you're hitting something and it kind of feels good on your drive home. 0.99

01:26:44.000 You feel like, I just beat the shit out of that bag, you know. 0.99

01:26:46.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:26:47.000 But then you do, you roll with somebody who's really good and you go home and you're more frustrated.

01:26:51.000 But the first time you tap someone, it's like it's such a revelation.

01:26:56.000 You're like, oh my God, I got an arm bar.

01:26:58.000 Oh, my God, I got a triangle.

01:27:00.000 Like the first time you actually catch someone something and they tap, I'll never forget that feeling.

01:27:05.000 I was like, wow.

01:27:06.000 And then you have to just trust the process.

01:27:08.000 Trust the process of showing up and realizing it is a tall mountain to climb.

01:27:15.000 You're not going to get there quick.

01:27:17.000 It's a weird thing to do with your body.

01:27:19.000 Your body doesn't know what to do with it.

01:27:20.000 That's why drilling is so important.

01:27:22.000 When you're drilling, you're going over the motions without resistance.

01:27:26.000 So your body sort of gets programmed how to switch your hips and how to catch the arm and how to pull your body back and secure it with your legs and all the different things that you have to do.

01:27:37.000 Where if you're doing just live sparring all the time, you're not going to learn because you're all panicking and tight.

01:27:43.000 You got to be able to train your body to move a certain way so it becomes automatic.

01:27:48.000 And is there a way to do it where you can stay relatively injury-free while you're learning?

01:27:54.000 Or is it like that's just part of the kind of part of it?

01:27:57.000 Yeah, I was going to say.

01:27:58.000 It's kind of part of it.

01:27:59.000 Yeah.

01:28:00.000 Everybody just sort of assumes you're going to eventually get hurt in one way or another. 0.99

01:28:03.000 You're going to fuck your knee up or fuck your ankle up or whatever. 1.00

01:28:06.000 Right. 0.99

01:28:07.000 But the best way is to find good training partners.

01:28:10.000 Don't train with any wild people because some people just jank on things.

01:28:14.000 Those are dangerous.

01:28:15.000 The really dangerous people are like blue belts who are really strong, who are just like really spazz out on you. 1.00

01:28:21.000 Like, sure.

01:28:22.000 Kind of avoid those folks because they could blow your knee out accidentally.

01:28:25.000 Yeah.

01:28:26.000 You know, I've seen that a lot.

01:28:27.000 Like, I know people that are really good that won't roll with people that are spazzes. 1.00

01:28:31.000 They're like, I'm not.

01:28:32.000 I definitely ran into a couple of the guys that are like, they just wanted to choke out Casey Dutton.

01:28:37.000 Of course.

01:28:38.000 But come on, man.

01:28:38.000 I just started.

01:28:39.000 Of course.

01:28:40.000 I used to get that when I was on Fear Factor.

01:28:42.000 A lot of guys want to choke out the Fear Factor guy.

01:28:44.000 Yeah.

01:28:45.000 But, you know, that's just part of the fun.

01:28:47.000 Like Jordan, like, he was a 58-year-old white belt. 0.85

01:28:50.000 Nuts.

01:28:51.000 Wow. 1.00

01:28:51.000 If that guy did it, fucking kind of anybody can do it. 1.00

01:28:54.000 What belt did he get to? 0.99

01:28:56.000 He might have got to purple.

01:28:59.000 He definitely got to blue.

01:29:00.000 I don't know if he got to purple, but he won tournaments.

01:29:03.000 He competed in tournaments.

01:29:03.000 Wow.

01:29:05.000 You know?

01:29:06.000 You know, I remember when he first started doing it, he's like, I'd really like to compete in some age-appropriate tournaments.

01:29:11.000 I was trying to talk him out of it.

01:29:12.000 I was like, get hurt, man.

01:29:14.000 We need you out there.

01:29:16.000 But he was obsessed.

01:29:18.000 If he could do it, like, that just goes to show you a guy with no athletic experience, not a worker, didn't train, didn't do any working out, wasn't a runner, didn't lift weights, nothing.

01:29:29.000 And then at 58, he's like, all right, I'm going to get good at this.

01:29:32.000 That's amazing.

01:29:33.000 Yeah.

01:29:33.000 Good for him, man.

01:29:34.000 It's awesome.

01:29:35.000 Well, he was a guy that had had substance abuse problems in his past.

01:29:40.000 And the thing about being an addict is if you can focus whatever that thing is and get addicted to something really good, you can really excel.

01:29:51.000 Sure.

01:29:52.000 For whatever weird reason.

01:29:53.000 Also, there's a flip side.

01:29:55.000 So people that are addicted to a sport or a thing and they get really good at a thing and then they become drug addicts.

01:30:02.000 That same thing can kind of hijack your brain.

01:30:04.000 And then all you're doing is like chasing meth all day.

01:30:07.000 Right.

01:30:07.000 I've seen that happen too.

01:30:09.000 Yeah.

01:30:09.000 For sure.

01:30:10.000 Yeah.

01:30:11.000 You should get back into it.

01:30:12.000 It's a fun thing to do.

01:30:13.000 It's good for your head too because it's the hardest thing you'll ever do. 0.99

01:30:17.000 It's so hard because you're essentially what you're the game you're playing is I kill you or you kill me. 1.00

01:30:24.000 Right. 0.99

01:30:24.000 So when a guy gets your back and gets your rear neck and choke and you tap, you're essentially saying, you just killed me. 0.99

01:30:31.000 Thank you for not killing me. 0.95

01:30:32.000 I give up.

01:30:33.000 And then when you do it to him, he's saying that to you.

01:30:36.000 So it's so hard that the rest of your life is easy.

01:30:40.000 Everything else becomes easy.

01:30:40.000 Right.

01:30:42.000 All the stress of fame and success and Hollywood and the bullshit, it's nothing compared to some dude mounting you, trying to get your, you got you're trapped in an arm triangle. 0.92

01:30:52.000 You're like, trying to get your hand down to protect yourself. 0.94

01:30:56.000 It's way harder.

01:30:58.000 And that makes the rest of your life easier.

01:31:01.000 If you can choose what's hard in your life, you'll be way better off.

01:31:06.000 Find a thing that's way more difficult on your mind, way more difficult on your body, way more difficult on your spirit than this other thing that you do.

01:31:15.000 So it'll like make that other thing easier to tolerate.

01:31:18.000 Yeah, and stay humble, too.

01:31:19.000 Yeah.

01:31:20.000 Oh, yeah.

01:31:21.000 Super humble.

01:31:22.000 I'm not going to think you're cool for being able to say some lines.

01:31:25.000 Some people get, well, that's the other thing, right? 1.00

01:31:28.000 You get really intoxicated with everybody kissing your ass. 1.00

01:31:32.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

01:31:32.000 Easy, easy trap. 1.00

01:31:34.000 We've all seen actors that are just like inflated.

01:31:34.000 We've all seen that.

01:31:37.000 Oh, for sure.

01:31:38.000 Yeah.

01:31:39.000 I'm a little blessed in the way that I've never thought I was very great at anything.

01:31:43.000 I enjoy doing the things, but I've, you know, like never really, I'm never good enough for myself, kind of hard on myself a little bit, but I've seen it for sure. 0.95

01:31:52.000 If you're waiting for someone else to validate you, once they do, you're screwed. 0.94

01:31:57.000 Right. 0.98

01:31:58.000 Because you're going to believe it.

01:31:59.000 Right.

01:31:59.000 You know what I mean?

01:32:00.000 Yeah.

01:32:01.000 Well, this is the problem of being a star is that like all these people need you and the world, their world of the show revolves around you. 0.99

01:32:09.000 So they're all like, you know, kind of kissing your ass and reverent towards you. 0.99

01:32:09.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:32:13.000 It's like, it's, it gets a little weird.

01:32:15.000 Yeah.

01:32:16.000 Yeah.

01:32:16.000 And that's new for me, too.

01:32:18.000 You know, I'd never been anything that was like a massive hit before Yellowstone.

01:32:21.000 And now with this new show, now it's a hit and I'm the number one on the call sheet, which is very new.

01:32:28.000 And so I'm like a, you know, I'm an asset to them in a different way.

01:32:32.000 So it'll be interesting navigating that.

01:32:34.000 They'll probably try to talk you out of doing jiu-jitsu.

01:32:37.000 Yeah.

01:32:37.000 I probably have to sign something that I won't.

01:32:40.000 You know, I'm not allowed to like ski.

01:32:41.000 There's a lot of things because of the insurance.

01:32:43.000 Yeah.

01:32:43.000 Like if I get hurt and production has to shut down, it's a lot of money for them.

01:32:48.000 Yeah, that makes sense.

01:32:50.000 Yeah.

01:32:50.000 I don't know if that's one of them though, but like, yeah, skiing.

01:32:53.000 Don't ask.

01:32:53.000 It's funny because horseback riding usually is and I have to do that for the show.

01:32:57.000 That's the most dangerous. 0.94

01:32:58.000 Horseback riding scares the shit out of me.

01:32:58.000 Yeah.

01:33:01.000 Dude, me too.

01:33:02.000 It was not.

01:33:03.000 It didn't come natural.

01:33:04.000 That's not like a thing that I'm naturally good at or had done before Yellowstone.

01:33:08.000 My oldest daughter did it for a little bit in California and she fell a couple of times and one time she hurt her wrist really bad and I was like, please stop.

01:33:15.000 Don't do this.

01:33:16.000 Because she was doing those things where you like jump over stuff. 1.00

01:33:19.000 Oh, that's so dangerous.

01:33:21.000 Because they stop just shy of that thing and you go flying.

01:33:24.000 Right.

01:33:25.000 Her friend, she had a good friend that was really into it and they started doing it together.

01:33:28.000 And I was like, please don't.

01:33:30.000 And she fell a couple times and she was okay, but one time she really hurt her wrist.

01:33:33.000 And I was like, please stop.

01:33:35.000 Because your wrist, they can fix.

01:33:37.000 Your neck, you get like Christopher Reeves.

01:33:41.000 Oof.

01:33:41.000 Oh, I think about Christopher Reeves every time I get on a wall.

01:33:44.000 I believe it.

01:33:44.000 I wish I didn't.

01:33:46.000 That was what he did, right?

01:33:47.000 He was doing the jumping thing, right?

01:33:48.000 Was it?

01:33:49.000 I believe so.

01:33:50.000 Yeah.

01:33:51.000 I just don't, I don't, yeah.

01:33:54.000 I don't get it.

01:33:54.000 Do you ride motorcycles?

01:33:55.000 Nope.

01:33:56.000 No, I don't even.

01:33:57.000 Almost did.

01:33:58.000 We're taking lessons.

01:34:00.000 Me and a couple of the other guys that worked on the crew at Fear Factor, we all took motorcycle lessons together.

01:34:05.000 We were all talking about it.

01:34:06.000 And so we took motorcycle safety courses.

01:34:09.000 You know, you're basically riding like, it's kind of like a dirt bike and they teach you how to, you know, shift and all this stuff.

01:34:14.000 And I kind of got into it.

01:34:15.000 I was like, ooh, this is really fun.

01:34:17.000 And then three of my friends had motorcycle accidents. 0.70

01:34:21.000 Like within a short time period, one of them wiped out, fucked up his shoulder. 0.82

01:34:27.000 The other one got hit by a car, broke his leg. 0.93

01:34:30.000 And then the other one was actually someone saw someone.

01:34:33.000 It wasn't an actual motorcycle accident.

01:34:35.000 He was there when some guy got rear-ended by a car that wasn't paying attention, just plowed into him and sent him flying and fucked this guy up. 0.75

01:34:44.000 And I was like, no. 0.90

01:34:45.000 No, man.

01:34:45.000 No, no, no, no.

01:34:46.000 I'm not doing that.

01:34:47.000 I had a bike for a couple months in LA and I went on a ride.

01:34:51.000 And, you know, it's one of those things.

01:34:53.000 You have to have the bug.

01:34:54.000 You like either have it or you don't.

01:34:55.000 I was trying to get the bug because I wanted that to be a part of my identity.

01:34:58.000 You know what I mean?

01:34:59.000 I wanted to be a guy who rode motorcycles.

01:35:02.000 So I rode up the Pacific Coast Highway and I was kind of riding up through like Ojai and going around this corner, you know, this sort of like cliffside and that thing where if you stare at something, that's where you're going to go.

01:35:14.000 And I just kind of was like zoned out and I almost ate shit right into the side of this cliff.

01:35:18.000 And I was alone. 0.69

01:35:19.000 Like if I would have done it, it would have been forever until anyone figured out like what had happened to me.

01:35:24.000 You know, and I kind of, it was a really, really close call.

01:35:26.000 And I got off the bike and I kind of sat there for a minute and I was like, yeah.

01:35:29.000 I don't love it enough to die this way.

01:35:31.000 You know what I mean?

01:35:32.000 I don't need this in my life.

01:35:33.000 And I never, never did it again.

01:35:35.000 I have friends that have never had a problem.

01:35:36.000 I have friends that ride bikes and have never had a problem.

01:35:39.000 I think if I lived in Montana, I might do it.

01:35:42.000 Because there's just not that much traffic.

01:35:44.000 No, but my 70-year-old neighbor just hit a deer.

01:35:47.000 Oh.

01:35:47.000 Seven years old on his like, you know, one of the BMW like adventure bikes.

01:35:52.000 And he was going 70 on the highway and hit a deer.

01:35:55.000 Yeah.

01:35:56.000 He's and he's fine, dude.

01:35:57.000 This guy's a tank.

01:35:59.000 How old was he?

01:36:00.000 70.

01:36:01.000 Killed the deer.

01:36:01.000 Whoa.

01:36:02.000 He had road rash everywhere.

01:36:03.000 He was kind of like, you know, on the couch for a few minutes.

01:36:05.000 He's fine.

01:36:06.000 Dude, he is a tank.

01:36:07.000 This guy, they make him different out there, dude.

01:36:10.000 He's my next-door neighbor.

01:36:11.000 He's amazing.

01:36:12.000 Shout out, Steve.

01:36:13.000 Wow.

01:36:14.000 He's got a range in his backyard to 500 yards.

01:36:17.000 Oh, wow.

01:36:18.000 And has every firearm imaginable and things you didn't even know they made.

01:36:22.000 And so anytime I can just, you know, ride over there in the side-by-side, we grab a few and go down and shoot in the back.

01:36:27.000 Oh, that's nice.

01:36:28.000 That's cool.

01:36:29.000 You find people like that in Montana.

01:36:29.000 Yeah.

01:36:31.000 Oh, yeah.

01:36:32.000 He's the real deal.

01:36:32.000 Yeah.

01:36:33.000 Wow, but 70 years old hitting a deer is crazy on a bike.

01:36:37.000 Yeah, killed the deer.

01:36:39.000 And about a month later, he was all right.

01:36:42.000 He was back on the bike.

01:36:43.000 Oh, boy.

01:36:45.000 Geez.

01:36:46.000 I've seen some videos of guys hitting deer.

01:36:49.000 Like, you see, like from their camera, you see this thing leap in front of the road, then bang!

01:36:58.000 Yeah, deers, they're everywhere out here, man.

01:37:00.000 When I'm driving home, I drive slow.

01:37:02.000 There's like a certain road near my house where they just pop out all the suicidal deer.

01:37:06.000 Yeah.

01:37:07.000 Just pop out, especially like around the rut where the bucks are chasing.

01:37:12.000 They're not chasing straight.

01:37:12.000 They're not thinking straight.

01:37:13.000 They just, they're just out there like fucking pussy hungry, standing in the road, staring at you. 1.00

01:37:20.000 I love explaining to people how the rut works because it works just like humans. 1.00

01:37:23.000 I'm like, the only time they're dumb enough that you're going to get one is when they're horny. 0.98

01:37:27.000 But for them, it's once a year, which is way crazier than us. 0.99

01:37:27.000 Right. 0.99

01:37:27.000 You know? 0.99

01:37:31.000 Can you imagine?

01:37:32.000 If it all came on at once.

01:37:34.000 Bro, if humans had a rut, I would go on vacation during that time.

01:37:38.000 I'm like, I'm hiding.

01:37:40.000 I'm not going to be anywhere near.

01:37:41.000 You're probably like murder or car accident.

01:37:44.000 Lock me in jail for that month or whatever. 0.89

01:37:47.000 Like, get a bunker.

01:37:49.000 Get a bunker and lock down with Netflix for a month. 1.00

01:37:51.000 Fuck that. 1.00

01:37:52.000 There is no way, man. 1.00

01:37:54.000 That would be crazy.

01:37:55.000 Imagine if the whole world had their rut at the same time.

01:37:59.000 Oh, my God.

01:38:00.000 That's a good movie idea.

01:38:01.000 It is a good movie idea, right?

01:38:03.000 That's actually a great movie idea.

01:38:05.000 Just call it the rut.

01:38:06.000 Yeah, like human beings evolve, or maybe there's like genetic engineering because they decide there's overpopulation and the solution to it is only have people breed at a certain time.

01:38:16.000 And also like keep people from being distracted all the time because like how many people are on dating apps and how many people are like, you know, going to bars and trying to find someone.

01:38:26.000 It's like, it's a huge waste of your time.

01:38:29.000 Oh my God.

01:38:30.000 My 20s and 30s were just blown because of it.

01:38:32.000 It's all I thought about.

01:38:34.000 Massive, massive waste of your time.

01:38:36.000 If there was like a solution to that, the solution would be like, well, everyone's only going to breed only during November.

01:38:42.000 Maybe it's the best thing ever.

01:38:45.000 It'd be great if there was like a switch you could flip.

01:38:47.000 You know, like a little boy, you like to flip it and then go out and figure it out.

01:38:51.000 The rest of the year, like, you don't even care about girls.

01:38:54.000 It's so productive, man. 1.00

01:38:55.000 Bucks just walk by a female doe in like, you know, fucking June. 1.00

01:38:59.000 They don't give a shit about it. 1.00

01:39:00.000 And they don't have their antlers, so they look the same. 0.99

01:39:02.000 Right.

01:39:03.000 You know what I mean?

01:39:04.000 They lose their masculinity.

01:39:05.000 Right, right, right.

01:39:07.000 They get it back pretty quick. 1.00

01:39:09.000 Those fucking things grow quick. 1.00

01:39:10.000 It's like they fall off within a month or two. 1.00

01:39:12.000 They start growing nubs.

01:39:14.000 Isn't it the fastest growing bone material on the planet?

01:39:18.000 I think elk is.

01:39:20.000 Because that's nuts.

01:39:21.000 I mean, like, you look at a foreign 400-inch elk, like some of those antlers that are out there.

01:39:26.000 Imagine that that grows in a couple of months.

01:39:29.000 It's bone.

01:39:30.000 And they fight to the death with it.

01:39:30.000 It's crazy.

01:39:32.000 Crazy.

01:39:33.000 Like, we find elk that have been killed by other elk.

01:39:36.000 It happens all the time.

01:39:37.000 Have you hunted in Montana?

01:39:38.000 Yeah.

01:39:39.000 Not elk.

01:39:40.000 I've hunted mule deer in Montana and pheasant the time I went with Portain.

01:39:46.000 Never done elk until I moved up there.

01:39:47.000 I started hunting whitetail when I was like 10, like really young, because we have big whitetail in Ohio.

01:39:52.000 And I thought hunting elk would be similar.

01:39:55.000 No.

01:39:56.000 And boy, was I mistaken.

01:39:57.000 Bro, it is.

01:39:59.000 Were you bow hunting or rifle hunting?

01:40:00.000 I've done both, but my first was a bow hunt.

01:40:03.000 And we went out there.

01:40:04.000 We were camping out there.

01:40:05.000 Me and I just made friends with the contractor that built my house in Montana.

01:40:09.000 He took me.

01:40:10.000 We went public land around Dillon, Montana.

01:40:13.000 And we went for a week and I had to tap out day four.

01:40:16.000 Like I couldn't, my legs stopped working.

01:40:18.000 I was like, I didn't know I had, it was like this.

01:40:20.000 So the next year I went, I was like prepared for it, but I didn't know.

01:40:23.000 Oh, man, you really got to go for it.

01:40:24.000 Oh, you got to get in shape.

01:40:25.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:40:26.000 I do a lot of shit before September. 0.99

01:40:29.000 I do, I have this crazy routine that I do on an air dyne bike. 1.00

01:40:33.000 I do these Tabatas on an air dyne bike where you sprint for 20 seconds, you rest for 10, you sprint for 20 seconds.

01:40:40.000 The worst.

01:40:40.000 And all I'm doing is thinking about getting over a hill, getting over a hill to get a shot.

01:40:44.000 I mean, and then I do like box step-ups. 0.98

01:40:47.000 I do all these different things with weighted vests and farmers carries with fucking heavy kettlebells. 0.95

01:40:53.000 All I'm doing is just trying to condition my legs. 0.96

01:40:55.000 You have to, like, those mountains are brutal.

01:40:55.000 Yeah.

01:40:59.000 There's no mountains here for me to practice on.

01:41:01.000 Right.

01:41:01.000 But in California, I used to run hills with my dog.

01:41:03.000 Yeah.

01:41:04.000 And you're at elevation, which makes it even harder.

01:41:06.000 Oh, yeah.

01:41:06.000 And a weird thing people wouldn't expect is like just, you know, makes it even worse.

01:41:11.000 You get up in the morning, it's zero degrees.

01:41:14.000 Middle of the day, it's 50, 60.

01:41:15.000 And you're hiking all day.

01:41:17.000 So it's like, how do you dress for that?

01:41:18.000 You have to dress to be cold.

01:41:20.000 Like once you start walking, you have to be cold.

01:41:20.000 Yeah.

01:41:24.000 Like you got to get down to your base layer and walk cold.

01:41:27.000 And then if you ever have to stop, then you put it on.

01:41:29.000 And the other key, merino wool.

01:41:32.000 That's the key.

01:41:33.000 Because wool is different than cotton. 1.00

01:41:35.000 If your cotton gets wet and then you're sweaty and then you get cold, you're fucked. 1.00

01:41:41.000 Right. 1.00

01:41:41.000 But wool's not like that. 1.00

01:41:43.000 Merino wool is the best because like if you have, especially a base layer, because when you're sweating, it kind of keeps you a little cool.

01:41:50.000 And then if you get cold, it doesn't feel cold.

01:41:55.000 Because it's not synthetic.

01:41:55.000 Yeah.

01:41:57.000 It's organic.

01:41:58.000 Makes sense.

01:41:59.000 Yeah.

01:41:59.000 It's a weird fiber.

01:42:01.000 Yeah, we used to walk to the deer stand kind of in half of our stuff, keep the other half in a pack.

01:42:06.000 And then once I got in the tree stand, I'd put everything else on so that you wouldn't, you know, the sweat wouldn't freeze to you.

01:42:11.000 That's hard. 0.99

01:42:12.000 Deer hunting in a tree stand is fucking hard. 0.99

01:42:15.000 It's like a silent retreat and you're freezing. 0.99

01:42:17.000 Yeah.

01:42:17.000 At the same time, you're freezing and you're sitting up there waiting for a deer to walk by and then you're so cold that when a deer walks by, you go to pull your bow back.

01:42:24.000 You're like, oh, Jesus.

01:42:25.000 Like, why am I so weak?

01:42:25.000 Yeah.

01:42:26.000 Yeah.

01:42:26.000 Like, you could barely pull your bow back when you're up in the tree.

01:42:29.000 Yeah, but nothing.

01:42:29.000 I mean, no, no challenge whatsoever compared to elk hunting.

01:42:32.000 That was like blew my mind how hard that was.

01:42:34.000 And the guy I went with, you know, he grew up in Montana.

01:42:36.000 He's like a mountain goat.

01:42:38.000 I just couldn't keep up with this guy, man.

01:42:39.000 I'm like, this isn't.

01:42:40.000 How do you do this?

01:42:41.000 Just constant all day long.

01:42:43.000 You can't just get out of your off your couch and go elk hunting in the mountains.

01:42:46.000 You can't do it.

01:42:47.000 No, you got to get in shape.

01:42:48.000 Yeah, like my friend Cam Haynes, that's why he started running.

01:42:51.000 He became an ultra runner.

01:42:53.000 Yeah, he's doing like 250 miles stuff, right?

01:42:55.000 Yeah, he does like these three-day runs.

01:42:58.000 He tried to get you into that?

01:42:59.000 Have you done any of that?

01:43:01.000 No chance. 0.98

01:43:01.000 I have one knee that sucks. 0.98

01:43:03.000 I have one knee that I fucked up in martial arts. 1.00

01:43:05.000 It's missing meniscus. 0.99

01:43:07.000 And I cracked it skiing, too.

01:43:09.000 I wiped out skiing, got a fracture of the top of my tibia.

01:43:13.000 So it's like, it's if I started running, it would get beat up real bad.

01:43:18.000 Right.

01:43:18.000 But I do.

01:43:19.000 There's plenty of conditioning you could do without running, you know, but it's that the pounding of running.

01:43:24.000 It's not good for my knee.

01:43:25.000 There's something so amazing, though, about getting to that first thing in the morning when the sun's coming up and you're glassing.

01:43:31.000 And you're just like, this is what I always wanted hunting to be like.

01:43:35.000 It's the real thing.

01:43:35.000 Yeah.

01:43:36.000 It's like, this is what it's supposed to feel like.

01:43:38.000 You're so far out there.

01:43:40.000 You know, I didn't get to go the last couple of years.

01:43:42.000 My wife was having our baby two years ago, so I wasn't allowed to be in the woods with no service.

01:43:48.000 And then last year I was shooting the show, but this year I'm going to be able to go.

01:43:50.000 I got a good spot.

01:43:51.000 And even if I'm shooting the show, it's like, it's right there.

01:43:55.000 Well, they have phones now that have satellite service.

01:43:58.000 I think you get, is that, does T-Mobile have that now?

01:44:01.000 Where you can get Starlink on your phone?

01:44:05.000 I know they're doing that soon.

01:44:06.000 And, you know, you can text message with iPhones.

01:44:09.000 You can, like, I've done that in the middle of the woods.

01:44:11.000 And you know what the best thing is, man?

01:44:13.000 When we were in Utah last year, the last two years, I've had a Starlink mini. 1.00

01:44:18.000 It is the shit. 0.99

01:44:20.000 It's like the size of an iPad. 1.00

01:44:22.000 You just lay it down on the ground.

01:44:23.000 You use the app, and the Starlink app will tell you which way to point it to.

01:44:28.000 And you get high-speed internet.

01:44:30.000 I have one for when we shoot.

01:44:31.000 It's incredible.

01:44:32.000 Because we're in the middle of nowhere.

01:44:33.000 It's so awesome.

01:44:34.000 It's the best.

01:44:34.000 It's so good.

01:44:35.000 You can.

01:44:36.000 Here it is.

01:44:37.000 T-Satellite.

01:44:38.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:44:40.000 That's the shit, man. 1.00

01:44:42.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:44:43.000 So you can, can you make phone calls or is it just internet?

01:44:47.000 It's phone calls too, right?

01:44:50.000 Texting and select satellite-ready apps.

01:44:52.000 Okay, just texting.

01:44:55.000 Satellite service, including text to 911, maybe delayed, limited, or unavailable.

01:45:00.000 So you can just text and some satellite-ready apps right now.

01:45:05.000 So that's like everywhere.

01:45:09.000 That's cool.

01:45:10.000 So eventually they'll have, it'll be like Starlink will be connected to your phone and you'll be able to get high-speed internet everywhere in the world.

01:45:10.000 Yeah.

01:45:18.000 If we don't have World War III, bro, blow everybody up. 0.61

01:45:22.000 But there's the elk hunting thing that the thing that makes it all the more exciting is like they're moving around.

01:45:30.000 You got to sneak up in on them.

01:45:31.000 You're playing the wind.

01:45:32.000 And then the sound they make when they're screaming.

01:45:38.000 And you hear it, you're like, if you never knew what that was, you would think there's demons in the woods.

01:45:42.000 Yeah, demons are like T-Rex.

01:45:44.000 Right.

01:45:44.000 It's crazy.

01:45:45.000 This sound is so incredible.

01:45:48.000 It's so incredible.

01:45:49.000 And it's so hard to do.

01:45:50.000 It's like, that to me is one of the things that I love every year because everything goes away.

01:45:56.000 It's so difficult.

01:45:57.000 It's so difficult to get in shape for it.

01:45:59.000 It's so difficult to manage your way into the mountains and to be in shape, to be able to do it day after day.

01:46:06.000 And then to be able to pull off a shot.

01:46:08.000 Like you have this brief moment, the thing's 65 yards away and you draw back and trying to settle your pin.

01:46:14.000 You could have done all of that just to like mess it up.

01:46:18.000 One little tiny.

01:46:18.000 Yeah.

01:46:19.000 Yeah.

01:46:19.000 And it happens all the time.

01:46:21.000 But when you're successful, oh my God, it's the greatest feeling of all time.

01:46:24.000 And then when you're eating it and then you're at home and you're on the barbecue grilling these elk steaks, like, I can't wait to do this again.

01:46:32.000 Yeah.

01:46:33.000 It's so exciting.

01:46:34.000 Yeah.

01:46:35.000 And it's just, but it's the being out there.

01:46:37.000 It's like a vitamin.

01:46:39.000 It's like a vitamin that you didn't know you needed.

01:46:41.000 It's like your whole body's like, oh, this is so much better than regular life.

01:46:45.000 You can't be mentally unwell.

01:46:47.000 It's like impossible.

01:46:47.000 No.

01:46:48.000 Right.

01:46:48.000 Yeah.

01:46:49.000 It's amazing.

01:46:49.000 Yeah.

01:46:50.000 You just feel so much better.

01:46:51.000 The air is better.

01:46:53.000 You know, it's like, and you're more focused.

01:46:55.000 You're not distracted.

01:46:56.000 And you just, you feel alive.

01:46:58.000 Yeah.

01:46:59.000 And then it's also the majesty of nature.

01:47:01.000 You're just around these trees and mountains and you're catching all these animals that are out there and you see eagles flying overhead.

01:47:09.000 You're like, God.

01:47:10.000 Like day three, you're like, I think I'm just going to move out here.

01:47:14.000 I'm just going to do this.

01:47:16.000 And then you go back to real life and you're like, oh, yeah.

01:47:18.000 I think that all the time.

01:47:19.000 I think that all the time that I like to live in the mountains.

01:47:22.000 My wife is not down with it, but I'd love it.

01:47:24.000 Yeah.

01:47:25.000 I might get a place somewhere one day in the mountains just to retreat, just to be able to just disconnect, shut off for a while.

01:47:32.000 I think that's probably a good idea.

01:47:34.000 I love it.

01:47:34.000 I wonder, though, now that I have a kid, like, we're going to have to start thinking about, you know, school for him and stuff.

01:47:39.000 And there's really not, I don't know if I don't, you know, once we get there, we'll figure that out.

01:47:45.000 But we're going to probably have to get somewhere closer to some people.

01:47:48.000 Doesn't Bozeman have good schools?

01:47:51.000 What are you near?

01:47:52.000 What's the town?

01:47:53.000 I'm about an hour south of Missoula.

01:47:55.000 So I fly to Missoula to go home.

01:47:56.000 Missoula has good schools, right?

01:47:58.000 Yeah.

01:48:00.000 But I'd have to move closer to Missoula.

01:48:01.000 And at that point, I'm like, why don't I just move to a city, I guess?

01:48:06.000 I know.

01:48:07.000 I think the move might be getting somewhere a little more populated and then keeping a cabin in Montana, like you were talking about, and then taking him out there whenever we can.

01:48:16.000 That'd probably be the thing.

01:48:17.000 Do you have a place in your house where you record?

01:48:20.000 Do you have like a little recording studio or anything?

01:48:22.000 Yeah, like just for me to record demos to send to people to actually record, just to be like, this is something I've been working on or, you know, kind of a setup like one of these and a computer.

01:48:33.000 But yeah, I do a lot of writing up there.

01:48:34.000 It's a great place to write songs.

01:48:36.000 How do you write?

01:48:37.000 Do you write on paper or do you just start strumming and singing?

01:48:40.000 It's different every time.

01:48:41.000 Sometimes I'll have like it'll be a melody.

01:48:45.000 It'll be a guitar riff.

01:48:47.000 It could be like a lyrical idea, some sort of hook.

01:48:50.000 You know, it comes in a lot of different ways.

01:48:52.000 And then sometimes I'll finish something on my own or sometimes I'll do a Nashville trip and sit with some other writers that I like and we'll kind of like bang it out together.

01:49:02.000 And that's the coolest part of the process, man.

01:49:04.000 There's something about making something out of absolutely nothing.

01:49:08.000 It's like addicting, you know?

01:49:09.000 It's really cool.

01:49:11.000 Yeah, jokes are similar in a way I bet.

01:49:13.000 I've never really been a songwriter, but I'm guessing.

01:49:17.000 So it's like creating something out of like out of your mind.

01:49:21.000 Yeah.

01:49:21.000 All of a sudden it's a thing and then you're performing it in front of people.

01:49:24.000 And it's like, I've heard you talk about this and any good creative person talk about this, but like it comes to you.

01:49:30.000 Yeah.

01:49:30.000 You can't really take credit for a good idea.

01:49:32.000 Yeah.

01:49:33.000 Exactly.

01:49:33.000 I would just be driving and be like, whoa, that's, where'd that come from?

01:49:36.000 Like, whatever that is, give me more of it.

01:49:38.000 I love it.

01:49:38.000 You know.

01:49:38.000 Yeah.

01:49:39.000 I was talking to Michael Pollen about that yesterday.

01:49:42.000 We were talking about consciousness.

01:49:44.000 And we were talking about how it just seems like you're not doing it.

01:49:49.000 It's just coming out of the ether.

01:49:51.000 You know, it's just like, and you just have to show up and receive it.

01:49:54.000 And if you show up enough and you, you know, pay homage to the muse and sit there.

01:50:00.000 You ever read War of Art, Stephen Pressbook?

01:50:03.000 I got a box of copies.

01:50:04.000 I'll give you a copy of it out there.

01:50:06.000 He always gives, well, I bought a box of copies.

01:50:09.000 I bought a bunch of them and I used to hand them out to comedians and artists when I was on the show.

01:50:13.000 I was like, well, just listen to me.

01:50:14.000 You got to read it.

01:50:15.000 It's a really small book.

01:50:16.000 It's easy, but it's one of the best books ever about creativity.

01:50:19.000 And it essentially just, he tells you, if you treat it like there is a muse, like there is a god, a goddess that will give you ideas as long as you pay respect to the muse.

01:50:31.000 You have to show up on time every day, sit there and do it.

01:50:35.000 And some days you get nothing, but you just got to keep showing up, keep showing up and trust in that process.

01:50:40.000 And eventually you're like, oh my God, this idea is so good.

01:50:43.000 Where did it come from?

01:50:44.000 That makes sense.

01:50:45.000 Where did it come from?

01:50:46.000 Yeah, when I'm in a really good spot, sort of mentally, emotionally, spiritually, taking care of myself, sleeping, I get more of those.

01:50:54.000 Yeah. 0.59

01:50:55.000 And I know there's this like mysticism around like people who like no, Henry S. Thompson or someone like that who just kind of spent a lot of time being fucked up and they still get it.

01:51:03.000 That never worked out really well for me.

01:51:06.000 I've tried it.

01:51:07.000 It's not great.

01:51:07.000 Trust me.

01:51:08.000 With those guys, they're trying to get out of their own head.

01:51:11.000 You know, they're just trying to get blasted so they could just like just release themselves from their life and then just obliterate it.

01:51:21.000 Just start writing.

01:51:23.000 Yeah.

01:51:23.000 And then the muse starts talking to them.

01:51:25.000 Interesting.

01:51:26.000 Yeah.

01:51:27.000 Hemingway, or there's a lot of guys like who had to be sort of a little messed up.

01:51:30.000 Stephen King.

01:51:31.000 To do the thing.

01:51:32.000 Yeah.

01:51:32.000 That's right.

01:51:33.000 His book on writing is fantastic, too.

01:51:35.000 It's called On Writing.

01:51:36.000 Stephen King.

01:51:37.000 I read that one.

01:51:38.000 Really good.

01:51:38.000 Yeah, it's great, right?

01:51:39.000 He was obliterated most of his great work, most of the great stuff out of his fucking mind on drugs and alcohol. 0.99

01:51:47.000 And some of those guys, like, once they stop doing it, they lose the thing. 0.99

01:51:51.000 And I don't name names, but like there's some artists I love that they kind of got clean.

01:51:57.000 Yep.

01:51:58.000 And you're like, where'd the thing go?

01:51:59.000 Yeah.

01:51:59.000 Which is unfortunate.

01:52:00.000 Yeah, it happens with comics, too.

01:52:02.000 Does it?

01:52:03.000 Some of them, though, get better.

01:52:04.000 Like Dave Ettell got way better when he quit drinking.

01:52:07.000 It's interesting.

01:52:08.000 It doesn't always, it doesn't have to be that.

01:52:11.000 But for a lot of them, like that crutch, whatever it is that connects them to the creativity, once they eliminate that part and try to keep, try to stay alive, essentially.

01:52:21.000 Like Stephen King was like killing himself.

01:52:24.000 But his later work is just not comparable.

01:52:27.000 What's your process like writing jokes?

01:52:29.000 Like, how does that start for you?

01:52:31.000 Like, how do you it?

01:52:34.000 It is a.

01:52:35.000 There's some ideas that just come to me out of the middle of nowhere.

01:52:39.000 Like, I'll be just hanging out and then I have an idea or I'm driving in my car and I have an idea and I just have to write it down.

01:52:44.000 And then a lot of it is just sitting down with a computer.

01:52:48.000 Just sitting down and like, what am I writing about?

01:52:51.000 I'm writing about immigration. 0.97

01:52:52.000 Okay, let me fucking and I write in essay form so I don't try to write like a stand-up comedy joke, which I've tried before, but that never works. 0.94

01:53:02.000 But what does work is if I lose myself in just ruminating on an idea and just explore it from every different angle, and then I'll find one paragraph. 0.96

01:53:13.000 I might write 2,000 words and I'll find one paragraph.

01:53:16.000 I'm like, that's it.

01:53:18.000 And I'll take that out and I'll put it in there and I'll try to introduce it on stage and then I try to figure out how to segue into it and then I try to figure out how to expand on it.

01:53:26.000 And then I'll take that one thing and then I'll stare at that one paragraph and go, what else?

01:53:30.000 Like, what else?

01:53:31.000 What's the other angle?

01:53:32.000 Like, what if I was not like that?

01:53:35.000 How do I feel about if I was on the other side of that?

01:53:38.000 What if I'm the person that's going through this?

01:53:40.000 And what if I'm this and that?

01:53:41.000 And then I'll try to just try that.

01:53:43.000 And it's, it's like, I always describe it as like you're trying to, you're trying to build a mountain one layer of paint at a time.

01:53:51.000 And it's a long and brutal.

01:53:53.000 And then sometimes it's not.

01:53:54.000 Some jokes just come to you in full form.

01:53:57.000 Oh, wow.

01:53:58.000 Like the way I wrote it is the way I say it.

01:54:01.000 It's perfect.

01:54:02.000 But that's, you can't count on that either.

01:54:05.000 Right.

01:54:06.000 And again, I don't think they're mine.

01:54:09.000 You know, they're just coming from somewhere.

01:54:11.000 The key is just showing up.

01:54:11.000 Yeah.

01:54:13.000 That's the key. 1.00

01:54:14.000 The key is like sitting in front of that fucking computer. 0.99

01:54:16.000 Or some guys don't like a computer. 1.00

01:54:18.000 They want a notepad.

01:54:20.000 They want pen and paper.

01:54:22.000 They like it better that way.

01:54:23.000 And I get it.

01:54:23.000 But for me, I can type.

01:54:26.000 Like, I don't have to look at the keys.

01:54:27.000 I can touch type.

01:54:29.000 So for me, I can write a word out as fast as I'm thinking it, which is way better for me than writing down because I write slower than I type.

01:54:38.000 And so I want to be able to get it all out.

01:54:41.000 To me, it's like it doesn't.

01:54:43.000 And then I write it on paper eventually.

01:54:45.000 But when I first write it, I want to write it down on a computer because I can capture it quicker.

01:54:50.000 Yeah.

01:54:51.000 And you can cut and paste and move things to another file and start fresh and like explore it again.

01:54:57.000 This last album I did, we tried a really different process than I'd done before.

01:55:01.000 Usually, you go into a studio, you know, there's a lot of money behind it.

01:55:06.000 You got a big producer who has, you know, you're taking up their time.

01:55:09.000 You have everything ready to go.

01:55:11.000 But on this new one, we did everything.

01:55:14.000 There's only two songs I'd had already written.

01:55:16.000 And eight out of the ten songs, we wrote either the day of or the night before in the studio because I wanted to make something as personal as possible.

01:55:24.000 Because, you know, the subject matter is stuff where I'm like, if this is gimmicky or overthought, it's not, then I'm, I'm sort of trying to like capitalize on grief or things I'm talking about.

01:55:37.000 So I want to go in and just be as open as possible and just get what we get and just try to, you know, tell the truth, which is, you know, that's the goal of country, really, or it used to be.

01:55:48.000 And so, yeah, we would cut and then in the night after we'd cut, we'd sit and try to write the song for the next day.

01:55:55.000 And if we didn't get it, we'd showed up early the next day and try to write the song for that day.

01:55:59.000 And it was an amazing process.

01:56:00.000 We called it the pressure cooker because it was just like, you better get something because you're on the clock.

01:56:05.000 Yeah.

01:56:06.000 Man, it was, it was, I don't, I doubt I'll ever do that again.

01:56:09.000 But what a like cathartic, amazing process.

01:56:13.000 Like, there, because usually you'll write a song, you'll have a demo for it, something where you just sit down and play guitar under your phone or something, so you'll remember the melody, remember the chords.

01:56:22.000 And you listen to it so much that you get sick of it before you ever even cut it.

01:56:25.000 And with this, there was never a demo.

01:56:27.000 There was never, it was straight from heart, brain tape.

01:56:31.000 Like it was, it was pretty special.

01:56:33.000 I think there's something to be said for pressure like that, where it forces you.

01:56:38.000 It forces you to come up with something.

01:56:40.000 Yeah, the pressure cooker, man.

01:56:42.000 We just, we had to, you know.

01:56:43.000 Yeah, it was, it was amazing.

01:56:45.000 Yeah, it just forces your synapses to fire.

01:56:48.000 There's something to be said for that.

01:56:48.000 Yeah.

01:56:50.000 Like, there's, that's the thing about comedy, too.

01:56:52.000 When you, when you have a new bit, like, part of the thing is, like, take that bit when it's not really done yet and just throw it out there in front of a crowd and find the beats, find where it is.

01:57:04.000 And sometimes in front of a crowd, as you're saying it, you'll have a new idea. 0.97

01:57:09.000 Like, what the fuck is this? 0.98

01:57:11.000 Like, why are we doing it? 0.99

01:57:12.000 And then that'll be the biggest part of the joke.

01:57:14.000 Like, everybody will laugh harder at that part than anything else.

01:57:17.000 And it just comes to you because you're under pressure.

01:57:20.000 Yeah.

01:57:21.000 There's something about forcing your brain to do things, like forcing your, like, you just like, like, you have to do it.

01:57:21.000 Yeah.

01:57:29.000 Like, you can't just dilly-dally, no procrastination.

01:57:32.000 It's right there, right now.

01:57:34.000 Let's go.

01:57:35.000 I mean, because you're directly connected to whatever the thing is.

01:57:35.000 Yeah.

01:57:38.000 Yeah.

01:57:39.000 It's a, it's like a flow state.

01:57:41.000 And then there's stuff that just comes to me.

01:57:42.000 Like John Mellencamp told me he wrote Hurt So Good in the shower.

01:57:46.000 Really?

01:57:47.000 It was just in the shower.

01:57:48.000 Come on, baby. 0.97

01:57:49.000 You make it hurt so good.

01:57:51.000 And he's like, it was done.

01:57:52.000 Best shower ever.

01:57:54.000 Sometimes love don't feel like it.

01:57:54.000 Crazy.

01:57:58.000 Wash his armpits. 0.99

01:58:02.000 He was an interesting guy to talk to, man.

01:58:02.000 He was cool.

01:58:05.000 Fucking dude just chain smokes. 1.00

01:58:07.000 He's in his 70s, just chain smoking. 1.00

01:58:10.000 He was so happy he could smoke in here.

01:58:13.000 And I'm like, you're not going to quit that ever.

01:58:16.000 He's like, this is what he said.

01:58:17.000 He goes, find something you love and let it kill you.

01:58:19.000 Yeah.

01:58:21.000 I don't know if that one killed me.

01:58:23.000 That's a rough death, dude.

01:58:25.000 It's a rough death, man.

01:58:26.000 Yeah.

01:58:27.000 I've dealt with smoking for some time.

01:58:30.000 And I always promised my wife that I would quit when we had our kid.

01:58:34.000 And we're almost there.

01:58:36.000 We're getting close.

01:58:37.000 You got the nicotine pouches.

01:58:38.000 I got this.

01:58:39.000 Do those help?

01:58:40.000 They do help.

01:58:41.000 It's a different thing.

01:58:41.000 Yeah.

01:58:42.000 When I have a drink, though, it's like I can't do one without the other.

01:58:47.000 To quit smoking, I'm going to have to quit drinking.

01:58:49.000 Really?

01:58:50.000 Have to.

01:58:51.000 Wow.

01:58:51.000 I just can't imagine one without the other.

01:58:53.000 It's like a package deal for me.

01:58:55.000 But I'm okay to quit drinking at some point.

01:58:57.000 You've quit, right?

01:58:58.000 Yeah.

01:58:58.000 I quit and started again.

01:59:00.000 You're back?

01:59:00.000 Oh, really?

01:59:01.000 I'm back.

01:59:02.000 Nice.

01:59:02.000 I quit for like eight months.

01:59:04.000 I didn't miss it.

01:59:05.000 But then when I had a couple glasses of wine with dinner, I was like, ooh, I like this.

01:59:09.000 This is nice.

01:59:10.000 Yeah.

01:59:11.000 I kind of missed it.

01:59:12.000 How was that first sort of hangover?

01:59:14.000 I didn't get hungover.

01:59:15.000 I haven't gotten drunk.

01:59:16.000 I haven't gotten hungover since.

01:59:18.000 Nice.

01:59:19.000 And I've only been drinking again.

01:59:21.000 And even when I do, it's rare.

01:59:24.000 Like, I don't drink every night I go on stage.

01:59:27.000 I might have like a drink before I go on stage, or I'll have a drink with dinner or maybe a second glass of wine, but that's it.

01:59:36.000 I haven't been drunk.

01:59:37.000 That's perfect.

01:59:38.000 Yeah.

01:59:39.000 The getting drunk is the problem.

01:59:41.000 Yeah. 0.79

01:59:41.000 And the real problem with me was like I was, I own this comedy club and I was with my friends and they're all animals. 0.79

01:59:48.000 And they're all just like, let's do shots. 0.95

01:59:50.000 And we'd go downstairs to Mitzi's bar and we'd be doing shots together and we'd have so much fucking fun. 0.57

01:59:55.000 And then I'd wake up in the morning to work out. 1.00

01:59:57.000 I'd be like, oh, fuck. 1.00

01:59:59.000 And I was just hurting. 1.00

02:00:00.000 So I'd be guzzling water and electrolytes and I'd get in the cold plunge.

02:00:04.000 And it's just, it was just this struggle to try to get back to normal.

02:00:08.000 Yeah.

02:00:09.000 And I'm like, I hate that.

02:00:10.000 I don't like that.

02:00:11.000 Yeah.

02:00:12.000 But I don't feel that with a glass of wine.

02:00:14.000 I have a glass of wine or two and I feel great the next day.

02:00:17.000 It does not, it doesn't bother me at all.

02:00:19.000 As long as I drink enough water, take electrolytes, get a good night's sleep.

02:00:23.000 I feel totally normal in the morning.

02:00:25.000 That's good.

02:00:26.000 Getting drunk is the problem.

02:00:28.000 It is fun, though.

02:00:29.000 Getting drunk is so much fun.

02:00:29.000 It's the best.

02:00:31.000 Getting drunk with buddies.

02:00:32.000 Oh, the best.

02:00:32.000 It's the best.

02:00:33.000 One of my favorite things is like going to a bar in the middle of the day and meeting everyone at the bar and just drinking, you know, even if they're strangers or at the airport bar or whatever.

02:00:43.000 And just like getting to know people I would never have talked to to begin with because why would we talk?

02:00:49.000 Right.

02:00:49.000 I love that.

02:00:50.000 But again, I'm 42 now and the hangovers are starting to really smart, you know.

02:00:55.000 So it's not, it's not really worth the price of admission anymore.

02:00:59.000 It's not worth it when you get aware of your body, especially if you're a person like, you know, I work out all the time and I'm 58 now.

02:01:08.000 So as you get older, it's like most people at 58 are half dead.

02:01:13.000 They're kind of falling apart.

02:01:14.000 And I've managed to stay healthy and fit. 0.94

02:01:16.000 And I want to fuck that up just for booze. 0.66

02:01:20.000 But, you know, like I said, it's hard when you're with buddies and they want to do shots. 0.93

02:01:24.000 Like Shane Gillis is the worst. 0.99

02:01:26.000 He's the devil. 0.99

02:01:30.000 He's like, come on, we're doing shots. 1.00

02:01:32.000 Fuck. 1.00

02:01:34.000 How can you not get drunk with that guy? 1.00

02:01:35.000 He seems like the most fun ever.

02:01:37.000 And you're having so much fun.

02:01:39.000 When you're drinking with him, it is just like your face is red.

02:01:43.000 You can't breathe.

02:01:44.000 Everyone's laughing. 1.00

02:01:46.000 You're fucking crying. 1.00

02:01:47.000 You're crying, laughing. 1.00

02:01:48.000 And it's just like you call each other the next day.

02:01:50.000 Like, how you feel?

02:01:51.000 Oh, my God.

02:01:52.000 I'm dead.

02:01:53.000 Like, there's a lot of times where we went out drinking and we have a gym here.

02:01:56.000 And, you know, we'd have these comedian workouts the next day.

02:01:59.000 And he'd be like, dude, I can't make it. 1.00

02:02:00.000 I'm like, come on, pussy. 1.00

02:02:02.000 You made me drink last night. 1.00

02:02:04.000 But he's just, he's the life of the fucking party, man. 0.99

02:02:08.000 And it's just, it's fun, but it's, it just, it comes at a cost. 0.99

02:02:12.000 Yeah.

02:02:12.000 That cost is rough, man.

02:02:14.000 Especially with the kid now and him being the age he is. 0.99

02:02:17.000 It's just, nothing makes you feel like a bigger piece of shit than being hungover in front of your baby. 0.99

02:02:21.000 Right. 1.00

02:02:22.000 And you're just like, sorry, dude.

02:02:23.000 Right.

02:02:24.000 I'm your dad.

02:02:25.000 Right.

02:02:25.000 I'm sorry.

02:02:26.000 Your kids want to play.

02:02:27.000 You're like, let me just sit here.

02:02:28.000 Yeah.

02:02:28.000 It does.

02:02:29.000 Let me just sit here.

02:02:29.000 It's not all right.

02:02:31.000 You can mitigate a lot of that stuff, though.

02:02:33.000 Glutathione is a really good way to mitigate a lot of it.

02:02:36.000 Glutathione actually helps your body process alcohol way quicker.

02:02:40.000 So there's a lot of strategies if you're a drunk.

02:02:45.000 Glutathione.

02:02:45.000 A lot of workarounds.

02:02:46.000 Liposomal, glutathione, and high doses is really good.

02:02:46.000 Yeah.

02:02:50.000 Electrolytes are huge.

02:02:51.000 Like a lot of the hangover feeling, there's two things that are going on.

02:02:56.000 One is your body.

02:02:57.000 That's why they say, like, hair of the dog that bit you, because you're actually craving more alcohol.

02:03:03.000 That's why people like Bloody Mary's the day after they're hungover.

02:03:06.000 That's not a great strategy, but it really does do a little something.

02:03:12.000 But electrolytes are huge because another part of it is you're just dehydrated.

02:03:15.000 Like your brain is dried out.

02:03:17.000 It's a dried-out sponge because you're out getting hammered the night before.

02:03:21.000 So you got to drink a lot of water, drink a lot of a buddy of mine drank with Jean-Claude Van Damme once, and he said it was nuts.

02:03:21.000 Yeah.

02:03:28.000 He goes, he's so disciplined.

02:03:30.000 He said the dude had a gallon of water with him, like a jug of water. 0.99

02:03:34.000 People take every shot he would take, he would fucking chug water. 0.97

02:03:40.000 And he just was just super concerned with keeping his body hydrated while he was boozing. 0.98

02:03:46.000 Got to do what you got to do, man.

02:03:47.000 I was like, credit to him.

02:03:49.000 Yeah.

02:03:49.000 That's the way to go.

02:03:50.000 He goes, I never saw anybody do that before.

02:03:51.000 I'm like, wow, look at the guy.

02:03:53.000 It kind of makes sense.

02:03:53.000 Yeah.

02:03:54.000 You know, it's like.

02:03:54.000 Yeah.

02:03:56.000 Have you interviewed him in here?

02:03:57.000 No.

02:03:58.000 That'd be fun.

02:03:58.000 That'd be a good one.

02:03:59.000 He's kind of crazy. 0.74

02:04:01.000 He keeps talking about having a fight and coming back.

02:04:03.000 And bro, you're like 70.

02:04:05.000 Yeah.

02:04:06.000 Don't do that. 0.90

02:04:07.000 I think he's just a little nuts.

02:04:09.000 He's also, he's famously indulged in the Columbian marching powder.

02:04:14.000 And I think, you know, sometimes guys get ideas that aren't really tenable.

02:04:19.000 Thank God I never had the taste for that.

02:04:21.000 I never even tried it.

02:04:22.000 Have you never?

02:04:23.000 Nope.

02:04:23.000 Definitely done it, but it's just, I have friends that they can't have a drink without wanting to go get a bag.

02:04:28.000 And I'm like, whoa.

02:04:30.000 And those guys have to get sober, like stone-cold AA sober because they'll disappear.

02:04:35.000 Well, they'll also die today because you can get a bad bag and it's got fentanyl in it.

02:04:40.000 I don't get it.

02:04:41.000 I just never, it's like five minutes of feeling good for like three days of feeling terrible is not doesn't pencil out for me.

02:04:50.000 I got lucky that when I was a kid in high school, I had a friend and his cousin got addicted to Coke and I watched what happened to him.

02:04:59.000 He was selling it too, and I watched him completely fall apart.

02:05:02.000 It was like, it was like he had been haunted, like something had taken over his body like a parasite.

02:05:08.000 He lost all his weight.

02:05:09.000 He got super pale.

02:05:10.000 He got real sketchy and weird and just hang out in his apartment and they would just watch TV and do Coke all day.

02:05:16.000 It was nuts.

02:05:17.000 It was horrible.

02:05:17.000 Oh yikes.

02:05:18.000 It's dark. 0.98

02:05:19.000 And I was always terrified of doing anything that would turn me into a loser.

02:05:23.000 That was my number one fear when I was a kid.

02:05:24.000 I don't want to be a loser. 0.99

02:05:26.000 And so I'm like, okay, stay away from drugs because that'll turn you into a loser. 0.99

02:05:30.000 Oh, yeah. 0.92

02:05:31.000 Yeah, there's sort of like there's some sort of gift in like having some ambition.

02:05:34.000 Oh, like wanting to be somebody.

02:05:36.000 Yeah.

02:05:37.000 You know, it can come with there's pros and cons of that, but one of the big pros is like anytime anything would get a little too dark and I realized I was losing my grasp on like what I was after, you know, professionally or whatever, I would course correct pretty quick.

02:05:51.000 Yeah, and if you don't have a thing, then it's just about whatever is fun.

02:05:55.000 And what's fun is continuing to chase whatever high or whatever drunk or whatever, whatever it is that your demons are.

02:06:03.000 Yeah.

02:06:04.000 That's rough.

02:06:05.000 I've seen a lot of people lose their life that way.

02:06:08.000 I mean, they lose their direction.

02:06:10.000 They lose everything.

02:06:12.000 You know, it's just substances can be fun, but they can take over.

02:06:17.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:06:18.000 And they can become your whole fucking life. 1.00

02:06:20.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:06:21.000 Not good.

02:06:22.000 No.

02:06:23.000 Yeah.

02:06:23.000 I'm so happy I avoided Coke.

02:06:26.000 But I am interested.

02:06:28.000 Or too late, dude.

02:06:29.000 But I heard Hunter Thompson, not Hunter Thompson, Hunter Biden, excuse me, talk about smoke and crack.

02:06:35.000 He did this interview.

02:06:36.000 He was talking about how amazing smoke and crack.

02:06:38.000 And I was like, wow.

02:06:39.000 Maybe I could try it once.

02:06:43.000 I've never heard anybody try it once, though.

02:06:46.000 No, that's famous last words, man.

02:06:48.000 No one's done it once.

02:06:49.000 I mean, everybody who tries it gets hooked.

02:06:51.000 It seems like that's a problem.

02:06:52.000 Must be pretty awesome.

02:06:54.000 It's gotta be the best thing ever.

02:06:54.000 It's gotta be.

02:06:56.000 And he said, like, it's way better than cocaine.

02:06:58.000 Like, you said, like, the guy who's interviewing him, what's the guy's name again?

02:07:02.000 Andrew Callahan?

02:07:04.000 When he was interviewing him, he's like, what is the difference?

02:07:07.000 And he explained like the delivery method, like how it affects you.

02:07:10.000 It's so much different.

02:07:11.000 Like the difference between a Zen pouch and a cigarette.

02:07:13.000 Cigarette hits you way different than a Zen.

02:07:16.000 Cigarettes like instantly.

02:07:17.000 Like, oh.

02:07:18.000 Yeah.

02:07:18.000 Apparently, that's what Coke's like, smoking it.

02:07:21.000 It was Richard Pryor, too.

02:07:22.000 I mean, he was essentially smoking crack.

02:07:25.000 They didn't call it crack back then.

02:07:26.000 They call it free basing.

02:07:27.000 Right.

02:07:28.000 It's the same thing.

02:07:29.000 Heroin, too, is another one.

02:07:30.000 It's like, those are the two big ones they tell you when you're like, you do this once, you're done.

02:07:34.000 Your whole life's over.

02:07:35.000 Yeah, I would imagine.

02:07:37.000 Yeah.

02:07:38.000 I've known people that have tried heroin once and be like, I can't do this again.

02:07:42.000 It was too awesome.

02:07:44.000 Yeah.

02:07:44.000 I do that with like painkillers and stuff.

02:07:44.000 Yeah.

02:07:47.000 You know, I've been prescribed and I'm like, oh, yeah, I love it.

02:07:50.000 I had a knee operation.

02:07:51.000 I didn't do that.

02:07:52.000 I have multiple knee operations.

02:07:54.000 The first one that I had was in the 90s.

02:07:56.000 And they gave me a morphine drip, and they gave you a button, and you could press the button to get more morphine when you needed it.

02:08:03.000 Oh, my God.

02:08:04.000 I hammered that button.

02:08:05.000 I was lying in this bed, and my knee had just been cut open like a fish, and there's screws in there, and my ACL had been reconstructed.

02:08:13.000 And I was on this perpetual motion machine.

02:08:15.000 So the idea is to keep your knee from going stiff.

02:08:17.000 You're on this thing that straightens your leg out and brings it back.

02:08:20.000 So I'm lying in this bed.

02:08:22.000 My leg is going, and I'm hammering that button.

02:08:24.000 I was so happy.

02:08:26.000 I was like, I get it now.

02:08:28.000 I get it.

02:08:32.000 But that was only once, luckily.

02:08:34.000 And they didn't give me, they gave me some painkillers afterwards.

02:08:37.000 I think they gave me Percocets, but they were so bad.

02:08:39.000 I took whatever the dose was, and I only did it once.

02:08:42.000 It was so bad. 1.00

02:08:44.000 I felt so dumb and so dull and so stupid. 1.00

02:08:47.000 I'm like, I'd rather be in pain. 1.00

02:08:49.000 So I sold all my pills to this dude at the pool hall.

02:08:53.000 I gave him my pills.

02:08:54.000 I'm like, TR, you can buy these from me.

02:08:56.000 One of my buddies was telling me he's in the military, and they would carry these morphine lollipops in case they ever got shot.

02:09:02.000 And you just pull it out, and the moment you start sucking on it, it's just like a morphine high.

02:09:06.000 I was like, I kind of want to get those to fly with.

02:09:09.000 Wouldn't that be awesome?

02:09:10.000 Like, the plane's going down. 0.99

02:09:11.000 You just start sucking on that thing. 0.96

02:09:13.000 Yeah, just put on the headphones. 1.00

02:09:13.000 You'd be fine. 1.00

02:09:19.000 It'd be amazing, dude.

02:09:20.000 Anytime I fly over the ocean, I'm just like, I freak out.

02:09:23.000 I don't like the fentanyl lollipop.

02:09:27.000 Oh.

02:09:28.000 Maybe that's what it was.

02:09:28.000 So.

02:09:29.000 Gotta be strong.

02:09:31.000 Either way, though, wouldn't that be?

02:09:32.000 I mean, that's like biggest fear, number one, is plane going down.

02:09:36.000 Yeah.

02:09:37.000 Because you have like five minutes to think about it, and you're hearing like everyone's screaming.

02:09:43.000 Everyone knows they're going to die too.

02:09:45.000 And you're stuck in this tube with a bunch of strangers knowing they're going to die for five minutes.

02:09:49.000 I mean, that is hell on earth to me.

02:09:50.000 I can't imagine anything worse.

02:09:51.000 That's a rough one.

02:09:52.000 I think getting eaten by a bear might be worse because there's no one around you.

02:09:57.000 I wonder, though, if with the bear thing, if you're in so much shock, like, are you feeling it?

02:10:01.000 You know, I wonder if you are.

02:10:03.000 Especially if they start legs first.

02:10:03.000 Think so.

02:10:06.000 Because the thing about bears is they don't kill you.

02:10:08.000 They just start eating you.

02:10:09.000 Oh, my God.

02:10:10.000 Like a salmon.

02:10:11.000 They don't kill a salmon.

02:10:12.000 They just hold it down, pull chunks off of it.

02:10:14.000 Yikes.

02:10:15.000 Apparently, that movie Grizzly Man, the audio was so bad that Werner Herzog told the lady to delete it and burn it.

02:10:22.000 Because they had a cut.

02:10:25.000 The guy's Timothy Treadwell, his girlfriend, his ex-girlfriend, got hold of the camera.

02:10:32.000 So the camera, apparently, the lens cover was on, but the camera was running.

02:10:36.000 Yeah, I've seen that.

02:10:36.000 Oh, right.

02:10:37.000 He listens to it in the documentary.

02:10:39.000 He's like, burn this.

02:10:41.000 Don't let anyone listen.

02:10:44.000 Give him the chance.

02:10:44.000 Would you listen?

02:10:45.000 Oh, yeah.

02:10:46.000 Yeah, I would do it.

02:10:47.000 Everybody would listen.

02:10:48.000 And then I'd hate myself for having a bad thing.

02:10:49.000 There's a fake version of it online.

02:10:51.000 I've heard that.

02:10:52.000 Yeah, it's not real, though.

02:10:53.000 It's pretty obvious that it's fake, but people believe it's real.

02:10:56.000 But it goes on for five minutes.

02:11:00.000 Five minutes is a long time.

02:11:01.000 Like, think of a round, an MMA round.

02:11:04.000 It's five minutes.

02:11:05.000 Oh, my God.

02:11:06.000 And all that time, you're just getting chunks pulled out of your body.

02:11:10.000 Bro.

02:11:10.000 Have you ever seen a grizzly while you're hunting?

02:11:12.000 Yeah, once.

02:11:13.000 Yeah, in Alberta.

02:11:13.000 Really?

02:11:15.000 It was very scary.

02:11:15.000 Yeah.

02:11:17.000 And it wasn't a big one.

02:11:19.000 It was like a six-foot bear.

02:11:21.000 But it looked at me so different than any other animal.

02:11:24.000 Like, I've seen a lot of black bear.

02:11:26.000 And black bear look at you like this, like, who are you?

02:11:29.000 What are you doing?

02:11:30.000 They look at you sideways and they're like, I want to get out of here.

02:11:34.000 Grizzly looks at you like this.

02:11:35.000 Oh.

02:11:36.000 Like, locks on you.

02:11:37.000 Yeah.

02:11:38.000 Like, am I going to eat you?

02:11:40.000 And I was with my friend Jen.

02:11:42.000 She's a guide up there.

02:11:43.000 Jen and John.

02:11:44.000 They run a hunting outfit up in Alberta.

02:11:47.000 And they, as soon as she saw it, she screamed. 0.99

02:11:52.000 She screamed like, get the fuck out of here. 1.00

02:11:55.000 She racks her shotgun, cracks a stick against the tree to scare it off. 0.99

02:12:00.000 And then we immediately bailed. 0.98

02:12:02.000 They're like, let's get the fuck out of here. 0.62

02:12:04.000 Yeah, I've never seen one. 0.96

02:12:05.000 Don't want to.

02:12:06.000 They see big ones up there sometimes.

02:12:08.000 And John, her husband, he sprayed one.

02:12:14.000 He was in a tree stand and he sprayed it with pepper spray and the thing didn't even react.

02:12:21.000 He's like, you think you're going to, oh, bear spray.

02:12:23.000 I'm saved. 1.00

02:12:24.000 And it was like, fuck you. 1.00

02:12:26.000 It was just like this fucking nine-foot bear, this huge wild dog. 1.00

02:12:26.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:12:32.000 You know, this fucking immense, super powerful thing that can run 45 miles an hour. 0.99

02:12:38.000 Oh, man. 0.99

02:12:38.000 Apex. 0.99

02:12:39.000 Fuck that, man. 1.00

02:12:41.000 They're terrifying. 1.00

02:12:42.000 Montana's got a ton of them.

02:12:44.000 Yeah.

02:12:44.000 That's one thing I didn't have in Ohio is like the fear of getting eaten by something when you're out in the woods.

02:12:49.000 It's dark and you're walking through.

02:12:51.000 The first time that that bow hunt I was telling you about, you bring a sidearm and all you have is a bow in case you do see some mountain lion or something, grizzly bear.

02:13:00.000 And my buddy was like, what do you got on you?

02:13:01.000 And I was like, nine millimeter. 1.00

02:13:03.000 He goes, well, if you see one, shoot yourself. 0.98

02:13:09.000 Yeah, you got to bring a 45. 0.99

02:13:12.000 I guess there's a 10 millimeter with a special round you can take, but yeah, 9mm bounce off.

02:13:18.000 Yeah, I mean, you're going to hurt him.

02:13:19.000 I mean, if you hit him in the face, maybe it'll do something. 0.74

02:13:22.000 But you're not even going to get through that skull, probably. 0.65

02:13:24.000 No, they say it won't.

02:13:26.000 It'll literally bounce off its skull.

02:13:28.000 That's crazy.

02:13:30.000 That's so crazy.

02:13:31.000 Cam hunts them with a bow.

02:13:34.000 Hunts grizzly bears?

02:13:35.000 Yeah.

02:13:35.000 Yeah, he's killed a few grizzlies with a bow.

02:13:37.000 Yeah.

02:13:38.000 Does he hunt out of a tree?

02:13:39.000 How do you do that?

02:13:40.000 On the ground.

02:13:41.000 Why?

02:13:41.000 No, dude.

02:13:42.000 Spot and stalk.

02:13:43.000 Oof.

02:13:43.000 Yeah.

02:13:44.000 I'm good on that. 1.00

02:13:45.000 Yeah, he's out of his fucking mind. 1.00

02:13:47.000 And his attitude is, well, if this is how I go, this is how I go. 1.00

02:13:51.000 I go doing what I love.

02:13:54.000 He's got some crazy pictures.

02:13:55.000 See if we can find some pictures of Cam with a grizzly bear.

02:13:58.000 He's got one where he killed this massive one, and he's holding up its paw.

02:14:02.000 And its paw is like as big as my torso. 0.99

02:14:05.000 It's fucking fucking huge. 0.99

02:14:09.000 There's such a some guy recently, I think he killed the biggest bear that's ever been killed. 1.00

02:14:17.000 I sent it to Cam. 0.99

02:14:18.000 Damn, dude. 0.99

02:14:19.000 Look at that paw. 1.00

02:14:19.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:14:20.000 Look at the claws.

02:14:21.000 Look at the claws on that thing. 1.00

02:14:22.000 Yeah.

02:14:22.000 No way.

02:14:24.000 And there's a photo of him with the bear on the ground.

02:14:26.000 Click on that. 1.00

02:14:27.000 Look at the size of that fucking thing, man. 1.00

02:14:29.000 Do you know what state he's hunting? 1.00

02:14:31.000 That's the only state you can hunt.

02:14:31.000 That was in Alaska.

02:14:32.000 I was going to say it's probably illegal in the chat.

02:14:34.000 It's illegal in the lower 48 for whatever reason.

02:14:38.000 It probably shouldn't be in Wyoming and Montana.

02:14:42.000 It's gotten to the place where they really probably shouldn't.

02:14:47.000 Maybe there's just not enough of them other than in Alaska, I would imagine.

02:14:53.000 I mean, I don't think so.

02:14:55.000 I think the real problem is once they're not listed, it's very difficult to get them on a list, you know, to get tags allocated for them.

02:15:05.000 There's the video of him shooting it. 0.98

02:15:09.000 Damn. 1.00

02:15:10.000 Look at the size of that fucking thing, man. 1.00

02:15:12.000 That's what I'm saying. 1.00

02:15:13.000 What if it just right there gets pissed off?

02:15:14.000 It can.

02:15:15.000 Well, there's a guy right behind him with a gun.

02:15:17.000 There's a guy right behind him with a rifle, which is also weird.

02:15:20.000 Like, anytime you're bow hunting and a guy has to have a rifle, I think you should probably just use a rifle.

02:15:27.000 My perspective.

02:15:28.000 Wait a few months.

02:15:29.000 Yeah, if I ever wanted to go grizzly hunting, I would definitely bring a rifle.

02:15:32.000 I just don't see myself doing that.

02:15:34.000 But I know a lot of my friends have.

02:15:37.000 And you have to kill a certain number of them just to keep the populations of the moose and the elk and everything else in check because otherwise there's nothing going to stop them.

02:15:45.000 And then you have a situation like you have in Montana or like you have in Wyoming where there's a lot of interactions with people and people wind up dying.

02:15:53.000 And there's no fear because in Alaska, they're a little sketched out about people because people hunt them.

02:16:00.000 Right.

02:16:00.000 And that's the better relationship.

02:16:02.000 Right.

02:16:03.000 The relationship where they have zero fear of people, that's not good.

02:16:07.000 And that is Montana and that is Wyoming and that is Idaho.

02:16:11.000 Look at that guy.

02:16:12.000 So this is, is this the largest one?

02:16:15.000 1,600.

02:16:16.000 It's the second biggest ever taken by 100.

02:16:18.000 It's 1,600 pounds. 0.99

02:16:21.000 Look at the fucking size of that thing. 1.00

02:16:24.000 Dude, that's terrifying. 1.00

02:16:26.000 Yeah.

02:16:26.000 Good lord.

02:16:28.000 That is immense.

02:16:31.000 Makes me think.

02:16:32.000 Have you seen these reports of Bigfoot being seen in Ohio recently?

02:16:35.000 Yeah, a bunch. 0.99

02:16:36.000 I kind of think it's someone fucking with people, obviously. 0.99

02:16:39.000 But maybe not. 0.99

02:16:41.000 I don't know.

02:16:42.000 What are they seeing?

02:16:43.000 Are there bears?

02:16:44.000 There's bears in Ohio, I guess.

02:16:46.000 There are.

02:16:47.000 And they're black bears in Ohio, and they do walk upright sometimes.

02:16:51.000 It's probably a dude in a suit, man.

02:16:52.000 It's probably meth.

02:16:54.000 They're the various sizes I've seen up to like 11 down to 8 feet.

02:16:58.000 Yeah, but they're just guessing.

02:16:59.000 You don't know how big a thing is. 1.00

02:17:01.000 You have a fucking tape measure. 1.00

02:17:02.000 You're like, excuse me, Mr. Bigfoot. 1.00

02:17:04.000 Stand still for a moment here.

02:17:06.000 Okay, stand up straight.

02:17:07.000 Put this under your heel.

02:17:09.000 I used to wish so bad Bigfoot was real.

02:17:11.000 Oh, I wish so bad.

02:17:12.000 I had a dude at a show last night who told me his dad was one of the people that filmed the famous Patterson Gimlin footage.

02:17:18.000 No way.

02:17:19.000 Yeah, so his dad was that guy.

02:17:19.000 Yeah.

02:17:22.000 I feel like we know now that he can't be real because of how many trail cameras there are in the world.

02:17:27.000 Like, we would have seen him a few times at this point.

02:17:29.000 I've never met a hunter that's seen one.

02:17:30.000 No.

02:17:31.000 Including guys that are in the Pacific Northwest all the time.

02:17:34.000 Although I did a show back in the day with my friend Duncan where we went looking for Bigfoot.

02:17:41.000 We went to the places where Bigfoot normally sleeps.

02:17:45.000 It's a person in a person in a Sasquatch costume, obviously.

02:17:52.000 No pictures, please. 0.99

02:17:53.000 I mean, if there's a whole bunch of them, it's probably someone fucking around. 0.93

02:17:57.000 There's all different sightings. 0.95

02:17:58.000 March 6th, 7th, and 9th, and 10th.

02:18:02.000 All different people? 0.98

02:18:02.000 Wow. 0.98

02:18:04.000 Huh.

02:18:04.000 Yeah.

02:18:06.000 Boy, I hope it's real.

02:18:07.000 It would be awesome.

02:18:08.000 That's what I'd also be like.

02:18:09.000 Maybe it's just a group of friends that are high.

02:18:11.000 I'm like, you know what? 0.99

02:18:11.000 We're going to do every night for the next fucking week. 0.99

02:18:13.000 We're all going to call this fucking number and see what happens. 1.00

02:18:17.000 Or we're going to run around the woods, but that's a good way to get shot. 1.00

02:18:21.000 Like some crazy dude is like, I'm going to prove Bigfoot's real. 0.78

02:18:24.000 Oh, for sure. 1.00

02:18:25.000 And he just fucking blasts you. 0.99

02:18:27.000 Don't do it during hunting season. 0.99

02:18:28.000 Yeah.

02:18:29.000 Big mistake.

02:18:30.000 I think it used to be a real thing.

02:18:32.000 That's what I think.

02:18:33.000 Bigfoot?

02:18:33.000 Yeah.

02:18:34.000 You think it was actually here at some point.

02:18:36.000 Yeah.

02:18:37.000 Because there's too many Native American words for it.

02:18:40.000 And Native Americans, I think we looked this up.

02:18:43.000 They have dozens of names that different tribes have for the same thing, a big, hairy, wild man that lives in the woods.

02:18:50.000 I think it was a gigantopithecus.

02:18:52.000 I think at one point in time, it was a real creature.

02:18:55.000 Have they found any bones or anything?

02:18:57.000 Yeah, the gigantopithecus bones, but they've only found them in Asia.

02:19:00.000 They never found them in North America.

02:19:01.000 But when the Bering Land Bridge was attached, a lot of animals came across from Asia and made their way into North America through Alaska and down through the Pacific Northwest.

02:19:13.000 And a lot of people have seen them in Alaska.

02:19:15.000 Alaska is like a hotbed for sightings, too.

02:19:19.000 I think those people are cracked out.

02:19:21.000 I think that's probably bears.

02:19:22.000 But I think the Native American stories, I think it's thousands and thousands of years old thing.

02:19:28.000 I think way back in the day.

02:19:30.000 Like I was watching this.

02:19:31.000 This is this guy named Michael Button.

02:19:32.000 He's been on the podcast before, and he's a historian who really focuses on ancient civilizations.

02:19:41.000 And he was doing this whole video on YouTube about how little is left over, like how rare it is to make a fossil.

02:19:50.000 Like, think about how the dinosaurs were around for literally like hundreds of millions of years, and yet we only have like thousands of fossils.

02:19:57.000 And what are the possibility of a fossil existing from a civilization, like a fossilized human being from a civilization 200,000 years ago?

02:20:05.000 It's almost none.

02:20:06.000 Most things never become a fossil.

02:20:08.000 It has to be like the perfect conditions to create a fossil.

02:20:11.000 And so we don't really know what animals did or didn't live here other than fossilized ones.

02:20:18.000 And that's a tiny fraction of what we find.

02:20:21.000 Okay.

02:20:21.000 And so if there was some sort of big, hairy thing that lived here, because we know there was humans that were living in North America.

02:20:28.000 Now we know that they were here at least as far back as 22,000 years.

02:20:35.000 Because of White Sands, New Mexico, they found footprints.

02:20:38.000 And then they do carbon testing on the seeds and the different organic matter that's in those footprints.

02:20:44.000 And they get a carbon date of like around 22,000 years, which is pretty crazy because they used to think it was like 13,000 years ago.

02:20:51.000 And now they push that back at least another nine years.

02:20:54.000 And they think it's probably, these weren't the first.

02:20:56.000 There's probably people there even further than that.

02:20:59.000 So if humans were here, let's say they were here 50,000 years ago, that puts it in the timeline where gigantopithecus could have been alive.

02:21:07.000 Because I think the fossils that they found of Gigantopithecus are 100,000 years old, which is just fossils, right?

02:21:13.000 Like you never know.

02:21:15.000 And they didn't find that until the 1920s or 30s.

02:21:20.000 They found teeth in an apothecary shop in China.

02:21:24.000 And this guy was there, who was an anthropologist, like, what?

02:21:28.000 Where'd you get this? 0.98

02:21:29.000 Because they were primate teeth, but they were fucking huge. 0.96

02:21:32.000 And so then they took them to the place and they found jawbones and a few other pieces. 0.96

02:21:36.000 And this thing, they've determined because of the shape of the jawbone that it was bipedal.

02:21:40.000 So it stood up on two legs and it was like eight to ten feet tall.

02:21:44.000 It was a giant primate that was in the orangutan species.

02:21:49.000 So that could be Bigfoot.

02:21:49.000 Wow.

02:21:51.000 That could be what these people saw.

02:21:52.000 Yeah, absolutely.

02:21:53.000 So it probably existed in North America at one point in time.

02:21:57.000 But around the time of the Younger Dryas Impact Theory, which is 11,800 years ago, somewhere around 65% of all North American megafauna was eliminated.

02:22:09.000 All the woolly mammoths, giant sloths, American lion.

02:22:15.000 We had a lion that was bigger than the African lion that was in North America.

02:22:19.000 That Younger Dryas thing you're talking about, that's a comet hitting there.

02:22:23.000 Yeah.

02:22:23.000 Okay.

02:22:24.000 Yeah.

02:22:24.000 That's what ended the ice age, and that's what created the Great Lakes, and that's what melted all the ice that covered most of North America back then during the Ice Age.

02:22:33.000 And are a lot of scientists agreeing that that's probably what happened?

02:22:37.000 Well, there's definitely debate, but there's a large group of legitimate scientists that are 100% convinced that we were hit.

02:22:45.000 It's a matter of what impact did that have, and was that responsible?

02:22:48.000 Because there's a berserker theory.

02:22:50.000 The berserker theory is that humans just killed off everything.

02:22:53.000 We got so good at hunting.

02:22:55.000 But the problem with that theory is back then, there's not even evidence that they had bow and arrow yet.

02:23:00.000 They wouldn't be that good at it.

02:23:01.000 No.

02:23:02.000 No, especially like the American lion and like mammoths and the giant sloths.

02:23:02.000 No.

02:23:09.000 And there's so much shit that we don't even know how many people were here back then. 0.99

02:23:12.000 So it's, and it's, this is like ice age people, like with stone-tipped spears. 0.99

02:23:19.000 Is that did they kill these things?

02:23:20.000 All of them?

02:23:21.000 They killed all of them?

02:23:22.000 Right.

02:23:22.000 They weren't even riding horses.

02:23:24.000 They were just on foot.

02:23:25.000 Like, I don't know.

02:23:26.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:23:26.000 It's much more likely that they all were wiped out by this fucking comet. 1.00

02:23:31.000 And if that's the case, maybe it wiped out Bigfoot too. 0.99

02:23:35.000 That's my favorite one out of all of the like Bigfoot's the best one.

02:23:40.000 It's just, it would be a crazy thing to see, you know?

02:23:43.000 Have you ever heard the recordings that these guys made that they said were Sasquatch recordings?

02:23:49.000 No.

02:23:49.000 I think they call them samurai recordings because it literally sounds like almost like they're speaking Japanese.

02:23:55.000 It sounds so fake.

02:23:56.000 It sounds so fake, but these people are there's groups of people out there that you'll tell them this is fake and they want to fight you.

02:24:02.000 Really?

02:24:03.000 Oh, they're all in.

02:24:04.000 They're so committed to Bigfoot.

02:24:06.000 The guys that we met when Duncan and I went Bigfoot hunting, they're so possessed by it.

02:24:10.000 Where'd you go?

02:24:11.000 Where was that?

02:24:12.000 Pacific Northwest.

02:24:13.000 It was like right outside of Seattle up there.

02:24:16.000 I met this lady that was really convincing.

02:24:19.000 She said that she saw this thing.

02:24:20.000 She's like, why is there a gorilla in the woods?

02:24:23.000 And she's like, oh my God, it's Bigfoot.

02:24:25.000 And like, she didn't seem kooky at all.

02:24:27.000 But I think what she saw was a bear and a bear standing.

02:24:30.000 Like black bears stand up on their two legs and walk all the time.

02:24:32.000 Especially if they have a hurt paw.

02:24:34.000 They'll walk on two legs.

02:24:36.000 I think she probably saw it.

02:24:38.000 But Pacific Northwest is so crazy because I'm sure you've been up there, right?

02:24:41.000 Yeah.

02:24:42.000 The woods are so dense that it's like a box of Q-tips.

02:24:45.000 That's how I describe it.

02:24:46.000 Like you can't hardly see anything.

02:24:48.000 So if you're seeing some tall thing move between trees just for a few steps, that might be the only thing you see.

02:24:55.000 And your head just starts spinning and you start creating this imaginary narrative.

02:25:01.000 Here's the recordings.

02:25:20.000 Right there, right?

02:25:28.000 So this guy's talking.

02:25:29.000 Oh, my God, it's Bigfoot.

02:25:37.000 It sounds so fake.

02:25:39.000 I don't buy that for a second.

02:25:40.000 Not a second.

02:25:41.000 But man, people, the Bigfoot dorks, like that show, Finding Bigfoot, I had that dude.

02:25:46.000 What's his name, Bobo?

02:25:48.000 Is that the dude's name? 0.99

02:25:50.000 We had him on, and I told him I thought the Patterson footage was bullshit. 0.98

02:25:54.000 He's like, no. 0.99

02:25:55.000 He's like, so upset.

02:25:58.000 It looks so fake. 1.00

02:25:59.000 It looks like a guy in a fucking gorilla suit. 0.99

02:26:02.000 And then the dude that they think was wearing the suit, what is his name again? 0.99

02:26:10.000 I forgot the guy's name.

02:26:12.000 But the dude who they think was wearing the suit, he looked like Bigfoot.

02:26:16.000 Like, he walked like him.

02:26:17.000 There's like a little bit of a hole in the middle like that footage.

02:26:19.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:26:20.000 He was a big old cowboy. 1.00

02:26:21.000 Big old fucking tall ass cowboy. 1.00

02:26:24.000 And he had a walk like a fucking gorilla. 1.00

02:26:26.000 Roger Patterson. 1.00

02:26:27.000 Roger Patterson.

02:26:28.000 Well, Roger Patterson was the guy that filmed it, right?

02:26:30.000 That's right.

02:26:32.000 Patterson Gimlin footage.

02:26:33.000 I don't know.

02:26:34.000 Right.

02:26:34.000 I thought one of them was the one in the suit and the other one filmed it.

02:26:36.000 Who I'm mistaken. 0.99

02:26:38.000 But there's a side-by-side of the actual stupid video that they're proclaiming to be Bigfoot. 0.98

02:26:44.000 And then this guy walking. 0.98

02:26:46.000 And I think it was a different guy.

02:26:48.000 Yeah, it could be.

02:26:49.000 I forget his name.

02:26:50.000 But it looks, I'm like, that's him.

02:26:53.000 Have you ever had a flat earther on here?

02:26:55.000 No.

02:26:56.000 Sort of.

02:26:57.000 I've had some people that want to dabble in it. 1.00

02:26:59.000 Like, shut the fuck up. 1.00

02:27:00.000 That's the craziest one. 1.00

02:27:02.000 I don't want to have that conversation with people.

02:27:04.000 And people are like, yeah, because you lose.

02:27:07.000 Because the Earth is flat.

02:27:08.000 Listen, everything else is round.

02:27:10.000 Why would this place be flat?

02:27:11.000 Why would it be?

02:27:12.000 Why wouldn't it be?

02:27:13.000 Why wouldn't it be lying?

02:27:14.000 That's crazy. 1.00

02:27:15.000 Why would the people that get up in the fucking space station be lying? 1.00

02:27:19.000 We know it's circles. 0.99

02:27:20.000 It spins around.

02:27:20.000 We've seen it.

02:27:21.000 We have pictures of it.

02:27:22.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:27:23.000 We have satellites.

02:27:24.000 They think all the satellite images of Earth are fake.

02:27:27.000 They think everything is fake.

02:27:28.000 I think a lot of that's a schizophrenia.

02:27:30.000 Sure.

02:27:31.000 And then a lot of it is like, somehow or another, it's biblical.

02:27:36.000 People believe that it's that they're trying to hide it from us because they don't want us to know that God is real.

02:27:43.000 Oh, like the firmament and all the stuff that the Bible says is above us.

02:27:46.000 Yeah, but you know what the Bible doesn't say?

02:27:48.000 It doesn't say the earth is flat.

02:27:49.000 Right.

02:27:50.000 Never.

02:27:51.000 Never talks about it being flat.

02:27:53.000 They had figured out the earth was round thousands of years ago.

02:27:57.000 Like snipers have to calculate the curvature of the earth when they're making shots.

02:28:02.000 Yeah, there's too many things against it.

02:28:04.000 Like the fact that we've seen it is the biggest one.

02:28:07.000 We know exactly what it looks like.

02:28:08.000 I had Roger Avery on the other day, the director.

02:28:10.000 He's a really interesting guy.

02:28:12.000 And he went down a bunch of maybe too many flat earth rabbit holes.

02:28:16.000 And he was like, well, you know, pilots don't have to adjust for the curve of the earth.

02:28:19.000 And then I talked to a friend of mine who's a pilot.

02:28:21.000 He goes, you know why?

02:28:22.000 Autopilot.

02:28:23.000 He goes, it keeps you at an altitude.

02:28:27.000 That makes sense.

02:28:28.000 Because you always have, you know, you're the same distance from the Earth.

02:28:31.000 So that would make sense that you would go on the curve.

02:28:33.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:28:33.000 Fucking dirt. 1.00

02:28:35.000 It's just that being something that people would what's really interesting is there's this one guy who takes people up to Antarctica to prove to them that the earth is round. 0.99

02:28:45.000 And like this idea that there's a so he like takes, and there was one guy, and he flew him out there.

02:28:51.000 He's like, I can't believe I believe this.

02:28:53.000 It's amazing.

02:28:55.000 He spends money.

02:28:57.000 He spends his own money taking these guys up there for free and educating.

02:29:01.000 How does he prove it from up there?

02:29:03.000 He flies them up there and shows them you actually can fly over Antarctica.

02:29:08.000 They don't want you flying over there because if you crash, no one's going to come get you.

02:29:12.000 You know, you're dead.

02:29:13.000 It's like, but people do fly over it.

02:29:13.000 Right.

02:29:15.000 The idea that you can't is stupid. 1.00

02:29:17.000 There's no secret World War II base. 1.00

02:29:19.000 There's no wall there. 0.91

02:29:20.000 They're probably doing some weird experiments and shit up there, though. 0.95

02:29:24.000 I do think that's true. 0.71

02:29:25.000 Like there's some people that have some pretty convincing stories of direct energy weapons and things that they're developing up there.

02:29:32.000 And there's a neutrino detector that they have up there that a lot of people think does a lot more than that.

02:29:37.000 They think it might actually be able to cause earthquakes and affect the weather.

02:29:42.000 It's a weird rabbit hole to go down. 0.98

02:29:44.000 But I'm sure the government's doing some slippery shit that we don't know about up there. 0.99

02:29:44.000 Sure. 0.99

02:29:48.000 Yeah, man.

02:29:49.000 It's so weird, like, in this time that we have all the information where nobody trusts the government anymore.

02:29:57.000 Has it always been like that?

02:29:59.000 It has been a little bit that nobody trusts the government, but now there's reason to not trust them because we've seen what they've done with real events, like the Epstein files and a lot of other stuff where you're like, JFK, where you're like, why don't you just fucking tell us what you know in the interest of national security?

02:30:20.000 Some things must be redacted.

02:30:22.000 Right.

02:30:23.000 There's a reason to not trust them.

02:30:25.000 Yeah, like growing up, you see older guys are always, they didn't trust the government. 1.00

02:30:29.000 The world's going to shit, all this stuff. 0.96

02:30:31.000 And I'm like, am I just getting old? 0.99

02:30:32.000 Or is this happening to everyone?

02:30:34.000 Are we all doing this now?

02:30:35.000 I think as you get older, you also take in enough information that you know that they're not being straight with you about anything.

02:30:40.000 Right.

02:30:41.000 I mean, this is that was always been my argument about the moon landing.

02:30:44.000 Like, you think that they're going to not lie about this one thing when they've lied about everything else, including how we got into Vietnam, Kennedy's assassination, fill in the blanks.

02:30:53.000 Everything in the 1960s they lied about.

02:30:55.000 Sure.

02:30:56.000 Because they could.

02:30:56.000 There was no.

02:30:57.000 Exactly.

02:30:57.000 You know, they controlled all the information.

02:30:59.000 Yeah.

02:31:00.000 But that's what's interesting about today.

02:31:02.000 Like, that's why there's less trust in the government than ever because we have more access to information.

02:31:08.000 So there's more reason to not trust them.

02:31:10.000 Yeah.

02:31:11.000 You know, it's like it's a squirrely time.

02:31:13.000 Right.

02:31:14.000 Yeah.

02:31:14.000 That's why I like living in Montana.

02:31:16.000 When it all goes down, I'll be way far away. 0.97

02:31:18.000 You ever see anything in the sky that you say, like, what the fuck is that? 0.92

02:31:22.000 You see anything weird? 0.86

02:31:23.000 Nothing crazy.

02:31:24.000 No.

02:31:26.000 When we did decide to move there, my wife and I had taken a little bit of mushrooms and this guy put on a little performance for us.

02:31:32.000 That was part of the.

02:31:34.000 Like, I think we're supposed to move here.

02:31:36.000 Oh, really?

02:31:36.000 Yeah.

02:31:37.000 Oh, wow.

02:31:38.000 Yeah.

02:31:38.000 It was, you know, it was a little induced.

02:31:41.000 But yeah, it was, and we both saw it, and we were with people who didn't see it that were also on mushrooms.

02:31:47.000 So interesting.

02:31:49.000 So it was a show just for you guys.

02:31:50.000 That's what it felt like.

02:31:52.000 Yeah.

02:31:52.000 Man, we both were like, we were making sure it was the same thing, and our friends were like, what are you talking about?

02:31:58.000 Did they take the same dose?

02:31:59.000 Yeah.

02:32:01.000 So I think that was like they weren't supposed to go there.

02:32:01.000 Yeah.

02:32:03.000 That's right.

02:32:04.000 Maybe it's a fate thing.

02:32:05.000 Yeah.

02:32:06.000 We felt very spiritually connected to it after that.

02:32:09.000 Well, it's a good place to be spiritually connected to.

02:32:12.000 It feels like you're supposed to be spiritually connected to it.

02:32:15.000 It's one of the last places, like Wyoming's like that as well.

02:32:18.000 It's one of the last places where it's not tainted.

02:32:21.000 Even though there's cities there, it's settled.

02:32:24.000 It's like it's so much more wild than it is tame that you still get this feeling of like humble.

02:32:32.000 You get humbled by just the vast spectacular nature of it.

02:32:37.000 Yeah, it's almost like we feel like nature is the novelty these days.

02:32:43.000 And it's like, no, man, everything that we messed up and put a bunch of concrete on should be the novelty.

02:32:49.000 Nature is the actual thing.

02:32:51.000 That's the way we're supposed to be.

02:32:52.000 Yeah.

02:32:53.000 You know, and we've all kind of like flipped that in our head.

02:32:55.000 And obviously, I'm not, I have the luxury to be able to live out in a place like that.

02:32:58.000 But the more I live there, the more I feel like this is how I was meant to live.

02:33:03.000 You know, me personally, I can't talk for anyone else.

02:33:05.000 But I'm just in a way better place mentally and otherwise.

02:33:09.000 Yeah, there's this guy who lives in the Arctic, like above the Arctic Circle or near the Arctic Circle.

02:33:18.000 They filmed him this vice documentary called Hein Mo's Great Adventure.

02:33:23.000 And this guy's been living there since like the 1970s.

02:33:26.000 He moved up there and he's got a log cabin and he just lives up there.

02:33:30.000 All he does is hunts caribou and goes fishing.

02:33:33.000 And he's a really smart guy.

02:33:34.000 And this like nerdy reporter with glasses goes up and hangs out with this guy for a few days.

02:33:40.000 And, you know, the guy was really like, really compelling in the way he was describing.

02:33:48.000 Like, I think this is how people are supposed to live.

02:33:51.000 Like, I'm so much more calm and at peace.

02:33:54.000 It seems natural and normal.

02:33:56.000 Like, this is how you're supposed to live.

02:33:57.000 And all he does is just like hunt and fish. 0.97

02:34:00.000 And he gets like some supplies dropped off to him, like, you know, canned goods and shit, baking soda or whatever. 0.87

02:34:06.000 But most of his life is just living off of the land. 0.96

02:34:10.000 The proof's in the pudding, man.

02:34:12.000 When I'm in a city for a long time and I'm on my phone, I'm looking at Instagram and all that stuff.

02:34:17.000 It takes a week before I feel insane, like completely crazy.

02:34:21.000 And if I just put that stuff away and go outside, even in a city, like if I just put that stuff down for a little bit and go outside and connect with the person, I feel infinitely better.

02:34:32.000 Yeah. 0.55

02:34:32.000 And if you just look at the stuff on your phone and you're so sucked into that, you would believe the world is a shitty place. 0.55

02:34:41.000 But then if you don't look at that and you go outside and you live your real life, it doesn't take long before everything feels good again.

02:34:47.000 Yeah.

02:34:47.000 Like you have hope again.

02:34:50.000 You're meeting your neighbors or going to the grocery store or going to the post office.

02:34:54.000 Everything feels pretty good out there.

02:34:55.000 It's just your phone telling you that this place is terrible.

02:34:58.000 Yeah, this is the big bridge to crazy. 1.00

02:35:01.000 Much more than cities is these fucking things. 1.00

02:35:04.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

02:35:04.000 They're the bridge to crazy. 1.00

02:35:06.000 And like, that's what AI is learning from.

02:35:08.000 It's only learning from all this terrible information we're putting online.

02:35:12.000 So it can't learn from the real world.

02:35:15.000 It can't go to the grocery store and see that everyone's actually pretty good for the most part.

02:35:19.000 Right.

02:35:20.000 99% of what you do out in your real life is fine.

02:35:24.000 You know, but it's only going to see the worst of all of us and then show us that even more, show that back to us because that's all it knows.

02:35:24.000 Right.

02:35:32.000 Right.

02:35:32.000 That's really scary to me, man.

02:35:34.000 It is scary.

02:35:35.000 And it's never going to really appreciate a great song.

02:35:37.000 It's never going to really appreciate art.

02:35:40.000 It's not going to appreciate love or community or friendship or any of those things.

02:35:45.000 No.

02:35:45.000 It's not going to appreciate the feeling that you have.

02:35:47.000 You can just call your neighbor up and go over his house and shoot 500 yards in his backyard.

02:35:52.000 Exactly.

02:35:52.000 It's not going to get that.

02:35:52.000 You know what I mean?

02:35:54.000 It's not going to get how cool that is that that guy's 70 years old.

02:35:57.000 He hits a deer.

02:35:58.000 He's like, he brushes it off. 1.00

02:36:01.000 Fucking 70. 1.00

02:36:02.000 70 years old hitting a deer. 1.00

02:36:03.000 You're supposed to be dead as fuck. 1.00

02:36:05.000 No, man. 1.00

02:36:06.000 Not him.

02:36:07.000 He looks like John Wayne.

02:36:08.000 Yeah.

02:36:09.000 I and you, we can appreciate that.

02:36:11.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:36:12.000 That fucking AI doesn't give a shit about that. 1.00

02:36:14.000 They're going to get off the motorcycle. 1.00

02:36:16.000 You shouldn't be on the motorcycle, Dave.

02:36:18.000 And dude, you're talking about music.

02:36:18.000 Yeah.

02:36:20.000 It can make good songs, though.

02:36:21.000 I've heard you play someone here.

02:36:23.000 And my friends will just, you know, whatever apps they have, I don't really know all the new apps, but they'll just give it a prompt, and the song is incredible.

02:36:31.000 And it does it in 10 seconds.

02:36:32.000 It's spooky.

02:36:33.000 It's really weird, man.

02:36:35.000 But it's only doing it derivatively.

02:36:37.000 Like, it's only taking the songs that other people have written and just making sort of some sort of a conglomeration of them and spitting it out.

02:36:47.000 Or it's redoing an old hip-hop song in like a blues style or something like that.

02:36:54.000 Unfortunately, that's 99% of what humans do, too.

02:36:57.000 Right.

02:36:58.000 It is all derivative anyway.

02:37:00.000 I know, but at least it's a person.

02:37:02.000 Like something to me about, even if it's derivative, if it's good, if it's catchy, at least I know a dude and his friends did that.

02:37:02.000 Yeah.

02:37:11.000 You know?

02:37:11.000 Yeah.

02:37:12.000 Yeah.

02:37:12.000 And you can get behind a person as an artist and like their stuff until they aren't underground anymore.

02:37:19.000 Yeah.

02:37:20.000 Yeah.

02:37:20.000 That's the silliness.

02:37:22.000 That is so silly, isn't it? 1.00

02:37:23.000 Like if you really start to take off, someone's going to eventually go, fuck that guy. 1.00

02:37:27.000 I knew that guy when he was just fucking just starting out. 0.99

02:37:29.000 He was pretty good.

02:37:30.000 His songs were good.

02:37:31.000 And then he and then he made it.

02:37:34.000 It's going to be controversial, but the first Cold Play album is still amazing.

02:37:38.000 But they got so huge that everyone hates Cold Play now.

02:37:41.000 And you're like, but they are really good.

02:37:43.000 I like Coldplay.

02:37:44.000 I do too.

02:37:45.000 Music birds are like, they can't do Coldplay because they're doing stadiums and your mom likes them now.

02:37:51.000 I think that was one of the things that people didn't like about Nickelback because Nickelback was almost like the first AI.

02:37:58.000 You know what I mean?

02:38:00.000 Like that rock star song, that was like, that was like an AI version of like a lot of like, like Cypress Hill had a rock star song that was like, but Cypress Hills sounds so much more general, like genuine.

02:38:14.000 Whereas the Nickelback one is like almost like, these guys are just too AI.

02:38:19.000 It's almost like they're not really.

02:38:20.000 It was the beginning of sort of like auto-tune and all that stuff.

02:38:24.000 But auto, like really good auto-tune that you couldn't tell.

02:38:26.000 Not like the auto-tune that's in rap where you know they're auto-tune on purpose.

02:38:30.000 It was like everything's so perfect.

02:38:33.000 And it almost doesn't sound like humans playing music.

02:38:36.000 And the subject matter is like, I've heard all this stuff before.

02:38:36.000 Right.

02:38:39.000 That's the problem.

02:38:39.000 Yeah.

02:38:40.000 Right down the middle.

02:38:41.000 Yep.

02:38:42.000 It was AI.

02:38:43.000 Nickelback was the first AI music.

02:38:46.000 Yeah.

02:38:46.000 I don't know.

02:38:47.000 People are weird with their taste, and they want you to like what they like.

02:38:50.000 That's what's really weird.

02:38:51.000 Like, you have to like what they like.

02:38:53.000 Yeah.

02:38:53.000 Or they get mad at you.

02:38:55.000 For sure.

02:38:55.000 Yeah.

02:38:57.000 What are you going to do?

02:38:58.000 Well, listen, man, I really enjoyed talking to you.

02:39:00.000 Thanks for having me.

02:39:00.000 It's a lot of fun.

02:39:01.000 I love your fucking show. 0.99

02:39:02.000 I can't wait to watch Marshalls because I love you on Yellowstone. 1.00

02:39:06.000 It's a fucking great show. 0.99

02:39:07.000 I'm really bummed out that your wife's dead now, though. 1.00

02:39:09.000 That sucks. 0.98

02:39:10.000 Yeah, it was rough. 0.99

02:39:12.000 I didn't.

02:39:13.000 I love Kelsey and we love working together.

02:39:15.000 But, you know, ultimately, you don't want to just sit and watch a guy be happy.

02:39:20.000 That wouldn't be a very good show.

02:39:22.000 You know, he needed a motor.

02:39:24.000 He just had a cool relationship, though.

02:39:26.000 I know.

02:39:27.000 It was fun.

02:39:27.000 But he had his dream life and they were happy together.

02:39:31.000 So you can't watch that for 50 hours or however long this ends up going.

02:39:35.000 Well, he knows how to mix it up.

02:39:37.000 I'll tell you that. 0.94

02:39:38.000 A dude knows, Taylor knows how to fucking throw a monkey wrench into things and make it crazy. 0.99

02:39:43.000 Absolutely. 0.97

02:39:44.000 So I can't wait to watch it.

02:39:44.000 Make it interesting.

02:39:46.000 Thanks, bud.

02:39:46.000 Thank you.

02:39:47.000 All right.

02:39:47.000 Thanks for being here.

02:39:48.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - March 13, 2026

Joe Rogan Experience #2468 - Luke Grimes

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