The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2470

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00:00:12.060 How are you, sir?

00:00:13.960 Pleasure to meet you.

00:00:14.620 It's great to be here.

00:00:15.460 Thanks for having me.

00:00:16.280 Great to be back in Texas.

00:00:17.760 I'm glad we finally did this.

00:00:19.000 Yes, me too.

00:00:19.780 I wanted to do it the first go around.

00:00:21.780 Yeah, I know.

00:00:22.740 Well, when I got the invitation, we were in the middle of the election, and we just don't

00:00:26.980 leave the country during election campaigns.

00:00:28.860 I get it.

00:00:29.460 and uh the problem we've had is we can't get you to come to canada and so we've actually hatched

00:00:34.820 a full strategy to get you into canada because we think it's going to do big things for our tourism

00:00:40.500 numbers so do you mind if i present you with something right out of the gate sure all right

00:00:44.340 this is uh this is from a gunsmith and machinist in calgary alberta his name is jay and he's

00:00:50.740 designed uh look at this kettlebell guess what the weight is uh 70 70 pounds that's the that's

00:00:57.940 the way you have it it says on the front here jamie it says here on the front jamie pull it up

00:01:04.420 we've got uh you see here some other stuff uh for a stand oh wow that's really cool look at this

00:01:11.300 stand here so we've got seeing is believing which i think was the slogan of the first

00:01:17.140 ufc that you were the commentator for i think it was number 13 12. number 12 yeah and then we've

00:01:23.060 We've got here your favorite quote from, um, what's his name?

00:01:29.200 The Japanese, uh, martial artist.

00:01:31.500 Yes.

00:01:31.920 And it says, if you know the way broadly, you will see it in everything.

00:01:36.400 Yeah.

00:01:36.760 So that's here.

00:01:37.520 And then Morse code, there's a thank you letter for you.

00:01:41.420 You've got your flying saucer.

00:01:43.280 Oh, wow.

00:01:43.860 And we've got your logo here too.

00:01:45.260 So, but most important of all, we've got a subliminal message, which is the Canadian

00:01:49.900 maple leaf.

00:01:50.920 Oh, cool.

00:01:51.620 Every time you do a kettlebell swing, you do a snatch, you do a clean, you're going to be seeing that maple leaf,

00:01:59.300 and you're going to be reminding yourself that you need to come back to Canada.

00:02:01.660 All right.

00:02:02.140 All right.

00:02:02.600 I'll present that to you there.

00:02:05.360 Thank you very much.

00:02:07.160 Very cool.

00:02:08.640 Is that in the way, Jamie?

00:02:09.620 I can take it off.

00:02:10.340 We'll take it off.

00:02:10.940 I'll just pick it up.

00:02:12.080 so uh i saw your i saw your uh interview with pavel and i'm a big kettlebell freak are you

00:02:22.300 really yeah absolutely and i started researching him after you had him on and i was trying to i

00:02:27.400 love history so i was thinking why did the russians come up with this and uh it turns out they used it

00:02:34.440 as a counterweight at the farmer markets so they would say you know you come in you have to say

00:02:38.740 this is how much potatoes you're buying but instead of trying to do it by eyeball they would put what

00:02:44.260 is now kettlebell on one side of the scale and then the produce on the other and then at the

00:02:49.940 farmers expeditions you had these big russian farmers want to show how strong they were so

00:02:54.420 they would pick them up and do all kinds of displays with them and then then the russian

00:02:59.860 army took it on the soviet army took it on and then that's where pavel picked it up and then

00:03:05.300 then brought it over the atlantic and introduced it to america wow that's crazy so it was just

00:03:10.680 accidental that they made this very functional tool for fitness yeah it was it was just you'd

00:03:16.300 go to a farmer's market you want to buy some barley or some potatoes but you don't know if

00:03:20.440 you're actually getting the real weight so they'd have a scale a balancing scale and they'd put the

00:03:25.060 kettlebell on one side and the produce on the other and then you knew you got the right amount

00:03:28.560 and then of course they have these big farmers farm fairs and they're showing off their their

00:03:34.240 horses and their cattle and stuff and they'd want to do strength displays so these farmers are

00:03:38.860 throwing these things around and the Russian military picked it up and then the Soviets of

00:03:43.600 course took over and they took it on and then Pavel I think he was a Belorussian though if I'm

00:03:48.480 not mistaken Pavel and he brought it over to North America but the ancient Chinese did it as well

00:03:57.000 you got really yeah the ancient Chinese the Shaolin monks have used them but they didn't do

00:04:01.600 it with cast iron they had theirs were sort of a concrete a concrete block and uh they did for

00:04:07.380 strength training as well oh wow a little history yeah so i'm a big kettlebell freak i love it

00:04:13.180 and uh i really i started to study what pavel's teaching i wanted i think he has an accreditation

00:04:18.100 or something if i ever get time i might take it yeah strong first yeah that's his uh organization

00:04:23.380 and you're doing you have a whole program i think you you do clean to press and then yeah i do a

00:04:30.000 bunch of different squats with overhead squat and all that it's a great functional tool just for

00:04:34.800 your whole body right you know it's really one of the best pieces of exercise equipment i think

00:04:40.040 i've ever found yeah i think he calls it a a cannonball on a handle um and uh the thing i

00:04:47.340 like about it is the it's like a catapult catapult like it all of the lift is in that that instant

00:04:54.120 where it flips over your hand and uh there you go original ones wow that's crazy that's so

00:05:01.880 interesting so the handle was just to pick it up and carry it around yeah wow that had a real

00:05:06.600 functional use well it's just amazing how good it is for a piece of exercise equipment that was

00:05:13.800 accidentally designed that way absolutely and uh i think it's far superior to uh to a dumbbell

00:05:21.160 exercise because there's no a dumbbell you get a you get a consistent lift but that's not real life

00:05:26.900 if you're in a fight or you have to pick something up heavy it doesn't lift consistently it's it's

00:05:32.400 explosive in that small range and what you know when you're doing a snatch by the time you get up

00:05:38.080 to your shoulder the thing's weightless because the catapult the catapult effect has taken over

00:05:42.880 and now it's actually negative weights lifting your hand up in the air if you're doing it right

00:05:46.120 but like if you're in a fight or if you're in a wrestling match or you're you're trying to push

00:05:51.600 really hard against a heavy object it's all about explosive power and that's what kettlebells give

00:05:56.940 rather than just this sort of uh freeze and contract thing that you do with with dumbbells

00:06:02.640 have you always been a workout guy yeah look i i was um big into sports until my mid-teens i was

00:06:08.400 on the wrestling team i wasn't great i was good but i wasn't great um then i got a wicked uh

00:06:14.840 tendonitis in my shoulder and it ended my athleticism for like four years. And that's

00:06:20.100 how it got into politics. I was so bored. I got to get home from school. I had nothing to do.

00:06:24.220 So I took my, I told my mother. Tendonitis got you into politics? Yeah, that's what it was.

00:06:29.320 I just couldn't get rid of it. Like I, every time I thought I had it beat, I'd go in and I'd train

00:06:34.300 and it would be full of inflammation. No one could do anything about it. And so I was like

00:06:39.480 bored out of my mind. And I said to my mom, like, you know, you go to these local meetings with the

00:06:43.780 conservative association like take me to that because I'm going crazy and that's nuts yeah so

00:06:49.860 that so what what what were you interested in when you first went there like we just didn't

00:06:57.540 like the way things were running like what what was it about it that got you so curious

00:07:01.640 well I grew up in a suburban neighborhood in south south end of Calgary you know and my folks were

00:07:10.540 teachers. I was adopted. My mom was a 16 year old. She was obviously a single mom. She put me

00:07:16.980 out for adopting two school teachers. There was electricians and oil workers and police officers

00:07:21.720 lived on our street. Normal, hardworking, good folks. And I always grew up with the impression

00:07:25.960 they were getting screwed over and that the government didn't listen to people like them,

00:07:31.540 didn't listen to people who grew up on streets like ours. And living in Western Canada, there

00:07:36.720 was a greater sense of that we called it western alienation at the time and there was this guy

00:07:42.120 kind of a quirky guy but a really brilliant guy named Preston Manning and I saw this billboard

00:07:46.080 of him and he had his fist up and it said enough and I said yeah I like that guy so I got involved

00:07:52.900 in politics and I started reading about different things I started I read a biography on Fidel

00:07:57.760 castro and then i read justin's dad no no no no no no his dad was pierre his dad was pierre his

00:08:08.900 dad was pierre i had issues with pierre trudeau too it is a great conspiracy theory though well

00:08:14.240 it is a hell of a i don't think it's a true one though i his dad is pierre his his dad um was

00:08:19.920 very controversial i grew up because he did a lot of damage to the oil sector and we're from oil

00:08:23.900 country. And so that was one of the things that I felt kind of resentful about the national

00:08:28.620 government. And one of the reasons I got involved is because the West deserved a fairer deal.

00:08:35.140 But I read a lot of books like Milton Friedman, Capitalism and Freedom, and I came to develop a

00:08:41.820 philosophy based on just maximizing personal, financial, religious freedom, let people make

00:08:48.880 their own decisions and that that animated me to get involved in politics and fight for that

00:08:54.300 and i've been doing it ever since wow that's a fascinating transition from wrestling and

00:08:59.880 tendonitis yeah deeply involved in politics yeah i mean like you know you're a sports guy if you had

00:09:06.880 suffered an injury that took you out of taekwondo when you were young and you simply couldn't compete

00:09:12.480 at anything you'd probably be looking for some other adventure yeah that's how it was well we're

00:09:17.720 lucky that stem cells weren't around back then or you never would have gotten into politics that's

00:09:21.700 right i would have been a wrestler i don't know if i would have won any awards but uh but yeah that

00:09:27.480 that was how i got started and and i got very active very quickly i got my first internship

00:09:32.920 making 600 bucks a month uh when i was uh 16 or 17 years old and uh you know take uh two trains

00:09:41.840 and a bus and an hour and 45 minutes each way but i was so thrilled my dad bought me a used suit and

00:09:46.640 a used pair of shoes and I thought this I'm this is so incredible I'm an important guy I wear dress

00:09:52.120 shoes I wear I wear a tie didn't matter that the tie was bed bought from some dead guy whose family

00:09:57.500 had sold it to a used store but that was my start and I loved it well I'm really excited to have you

00:10:05.500 in here because I've seen you speak multiple times and you're a very reasonable intelligent

00:10:11.780 person that makes a lot of sense and that is that is a rare thing in politics and i love canada like

00:10:19.460 i just say i don't go up there anymore but it's because i i think the government went horribly

00:10:25.640 wrong over the last you know x amount of years but the people are amazing it's like i was always i

00:10:31.400 have always said that canada has like it's like america with like 20 less assholes like every

00:10:38.280 time i would go up there i'm like people are so nice they're like the nicest people and i think

00:10:42.940 that's part of what went wrong for canada is that people are rule followers and you know they're

00:10:49.840 trusting and kind people and you know this wolf in sheep's clothing snuck in and you know was

00:10:57.460 pretending he was a sweet guy and passing all these crazy laws and just when we saw what happened

00:11:03.240 with covid with just with what happened with the truckers and people's accounts getting shut down

00:11:09.160 for donating to the truckers like the whole thing was so concerning because it's our canada was like

00:11:16.940 a part of america almost i mean you're a different country but it's like you should be able to go

00:11:21.340 over there with just a driver's license you know it was like it was such a cool place i started

00:11:26.020 going to the montreal comedy festival in like 1993 i loved it up there it's like one of my

00:11:31.360 favorite places to just for laughs just yeah yeah good how's your french not good okay we'll work

00:11:37.380 on that we'll get you some french lessons it's terrible i don't know any french words my wife

00:11:41.960 is learning french though it's interesting she's got this app that she's learning french um but

00:11:46.880 it's just an amazing place it's it's a great country and um to see it go the way it's been

00:11:53.940 going and sliding the way it's been happening over the last you know x amount of years there's just

00:12:00.280 so many things that concern me. You know, one of the things that really concerns me is this

00:12:04.920 assisted suicide thing. Had one in 20 deaths in Canada is now assisted suicide. That's insane.

00:12:13.220 Well, listen, my view is that people should have the choice, but the concern we have is

00:12:19.220 the suggestion that it would be offered to kids or offered to people whose only condition is

00:12:24.880 mental illness. Right. I don't agree with that. My concern as well. I mean, if someone's got a

00:12:30.060 Like a good friend of mine went to Oregon to end his life because he had ALS, but I mean he was gone

00:12:36.780 I mean, he could barely talk at the end of his life. His name is Michael Lehrer

00:12:40.740 He was a regular guest on Kill Tony great guy right and

00:12:45.060 It was horrible. I mean watching him fade away, and he wanted to go out on his own terms

00:12:50.420 So I went to Oregon for assisted suicide. There's a place for it. Yeah, but I mean there was a kid recently in Canada

00:12:57.500 and he did it for seasonal depression.

00:13:01.500 I'm sure you're aware of that case.

00:13:03.280 I am.

00:13:04.200 Like, who allowed that to happen?

00:13:06.340 Who didn't counsel this young guy?

00:13:08.020 Who didn't give him a hug?

00:13:09.320 Who didn't tell him about diet and exercise

00:13:11.720 and changing your surroundings, your lifestyle?

00:13:14.920 Just do something to give you some hope and happiness.

00:13:18.020 Like, seasonal depression, really?

00:13:20.880 You're gonna end your life,

00:13:22.460 this beautiful life on this planet,

00:13:24.460 for seasonal depression?

00:13:25.760 And that's why we have to do more to give people hope when they're suffering with mental illness.

00:13:30.140 You know, give people the sense that they can take back control of their lives.

00:13:35.040 I think we do have to promote fitness more because it gives people, it turns them into a subject that controls their surroundings rather than an object being controlled.

00:13:44.000 It teaches people that hardship is temporary and that the aftermath is positive.

00:13:50.700 And we have to give people, reinstill people with a sense of meaning when they're going through hardship.

00:13:55.000 rather than to say that it's all over.

00:13:58.000 And, you know, I think we have to,

00:14:01.080 our system needs to be geared towards giving people

00:14:04.100 all the best options to live on

00:14:06.440 rather than just suggesting made as the easy,

00:14:11.260 as the automatic path for the system to impose on people.

00:14:15.700 So one of the things our party is pushing for

00:14:18.680 is to make clear that public servants

00:14:20.180 who are getting phone calls from people

00:14:21.840 who are in need of help for something,

00:14:23.320 they shouldn't be offering that they should be offering made people can seek it out if they want

00:14:29.200 but when you're calling up saying i'm poor or i'm struggling or i'm having a mental illness or i've

00:14:34.880 got an injury we shouldn't have a government worker saying well consider made well the the

00:14:41.340 unfortunate thing is that any organization that gets formed wants to grow and you get financial

00:14:49.660 incentives and then you hire more people and then it gets bigger and then what do you have to do

00:14:55.740 well you have to keep doing what you're doing exactly what are you doing you're killing people

00:14:59.200 so you're going to kill more people because you're actually financially incentivized to put more

00:15:04.060 people through this program and end their lives that's it's very sad i think we have to get to

00:15:09.220 get to a point where people have the freedom to make their own decisions but they also have hope

00:15:13.240 that there is an option for them and that's what we're trying to pathway you know and like the

00:15:17.520 exercise thing it's not just give them you know control of their life it makes them happier it's

00:15:22.900 it's it shows there's been studies that show it's much more effective than antidepressants

00:15:27.360 absolutely well it's the first of all there's the physiological side which affects the brain

00:15:31.980 but it's also the sensation of discomfort that you push through knowing that you have to focus

00:15:38.400 on the thing you have to do and uh that i think it helps us in anything we're encountering whether

00:15:45.040 you're going through a divorce or a bankruptcy or an injury or an illness, if you know that pushing

00:15:50.760 through to the other side because you've got a meaning there, that can give people hope for a

00:15:55.960 better life. You know, my favorite psychologist is Viktor Frankl, and he developed this Lagos

00:16:03.000 treatment, which was basically giving people a sense of meaning. He survived the Holocaust

00:16:08.540 in the concentration camp because he had a sense of meaning that he wanted to, his book was stolen

00:16:13.920 from him in the concentration camp about this theory. And he wanted to live on so he could

00:16:20.620 survive and write that book. And then he found in his teaching that it wasn't so much people's

00:16:27.740 circumstances that determined their happiness. It was whether they had a meaning in life. And

00:16:31.740 he tells this incredible story of a group therapy session where he had this very rich woman who was

00:16:36.900 married to a very rich man. And he had next to him another lady who was living in terrible poverty.

00:16:42.020 She'd lost a son and had a second severely disabled son.

00:16:45.280 And he said to both of them, what will your life look like when you're 80 years old and you're on your deathbed?

00:16:50.760 And the wealthier lady said, well, I will look back and think that I had some fun and enjoyed the luxuries of being very wealthy and having an easy life that there wasn't a lot of meaning to it.

00:17:03.540 And whereas the mother who was struggling with a disabled child and had lost another one said, well, I gave my first child a great life, a short one, but a great one.

00:17:12.020 I struggled to give my disabled child a good, dignified existence, and I leave this world satisfied and happy that my life had purpose and meaning.

00:17:22.500 And the lesson that I take from that is that it is not about whether you have a gazillion dollars or whether your life is easy.

00:17:29.020 It's whether you have some meaning to invest your life into.

00:17:32.740 And I think we have to infuse people's lives with meaning so that they can live a good life.

00:17:39.160 Well, that's a great message. And I think that's one of the most important parts of being a leader is having a great message and having a great philosophy and having a great perspective.

00:17:51.240 And I mean, that's what disturbed me the most about when Trudeau was running the country that I didn't feel like that.

00:17:58.200 I felt like he was manipulating people with woke politics and ideology and that it was just this weird, slippery slope that people were falling down where they're losing rights and you're losing your ability to express yourself.

00:18:12.080 And it just it just really disturbed me because I always felt that Canada was like one of the freest places and one of the most open minded places.

00:18:20.180 And it just I didn't understand how it could fall so quickly.

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00:19:17.800 see visible.com for planned features and network management details we still you know we are a

00:19:24.280 free country and we are a democracy we have preserved that um you know my leader my i had

00:19:29.760 this funny moment when joe biden came to parliament hill and i said uh mr president i'm pierre

00:19:35.020 pauliev i'm the leader of his majesty's loyal opposition and he said loyal opposition

00:19:40.440 how can you be loyal and opposition at the same time it's like what the hell are you talking about

00:19:45.940 and because you guys have a system based on a republic whereas ours is the british system

00:19:51.940 and in our system that the opposition is an act of loyalty that's what our system it means that

00:20:00.440 if you are opposing the government you're doing it out of loyalty to the good of the people

00:20:06.340 and our house of commons you have a half circle in your congress we have two sides in our parliament

00:20:11.040 it's two and a half sword lengths apart because they used to literally kill each other in the old

00:20:15.520 English days. But the idea is the opposition is to prosecute the hell out of the government, make

00:20:20.280 the mighty low. The most powerful people in the country are supposed to tremble every time they

00:20:25.180 walk in that place because every mistake they made, every abuse of power, every corruption

00:20:29.600 they might have done can be exposed and in front of all eyes. So our system is really designed to

00:20:36.660 constrain the power of government through what we call parliament. I don't work for government. I

00:20:41.380 I work for parliament and parliament works for the people.

00:20:44.120 We call it the house of commons because the, it's the house of the common people.

00:20:48.100 It's green in there because they used to meet in the, in the fields of England.

00:20:51.740 And so I really view the world of our parliament to limit the power of government,

00:20:55.740 to maximize the power of the people, make people bigger, stronger, and more fulfilled

00:21:01.880 by having the government narrowly focus on the, on the things it's supposed to do.

00:21:06.280 Roads, military, basic social safety net, borders, police, et cetera.

00:21:10.420 but then leave people alone to live their lives.

00:21:13.080 If I were to start a political party from scratch,

00:21:15.940 it would be the mind your own damn business party.

00:21:18.380 Just get the government to do its job well,

00:21:21.140 do four or five things really well,

00:21:23.520 and then let people live their lives.

00:21:25.660 Well, that sounds very reasonable.

00:21:27.280 Yeah.

00:21:27.780 Yeah, I mean, anybody that doesn't go along with that,

00:21:30.900 anybody that's opposed to that,

00:21:31.980 that doesn't even make sense.

00:21:33.420 No, look, like I said,

00:21:35.900 the way I grew up and everything I've seen ever since,

00:21:37.820 when I talk to farmers or factory workers, electricians, I find they know just as much

00:21:46.200 or more than the so-called experts I encounter on Parliament Hill. Like back during COVID when

00:21:51.700 all these governments were printing money and all the politicians and bankers said,

00:21:56.240 oh, this is great. Well, look at all this money we get to spend. I'd walk around communities and

00:22:01.040 I'd have like mechanics say, you know, we're going to have inflation. And I would say, yeah,

00:22:05.700 it makes sense to me. And I'd go back to Parliament Hill and the experts would all say,

00:22:08.760 no, no, there's not going to be any inflation. And sure enough, all that money filtered into

00:22:13.200 the economy, bid up all the goods we buy, and everybody got smoked with higher prices.

00:22:18.040 But the point is that it was the common people who don't study this stuff for a living,

00:22:23.840 who don't read endless reports and studies, who could just figure out that if there's money

00:22:27.980 pouring into the economy that's not matched by goods and services, it's going to bid up

00:22:32.020 the cost of everything so that's my experience in my lot my ideology is the common guy knows

00:22:37.380 how to make his own decisions we need to empower him to do that yeah just stay out of people's

00:22:41.860 lives exactly so there's a narrative in america and the narrative is that you were about to win

00:22:49.540 and your party was about to win but then trump came along and said he was going to turn canada

00:22:53.780 into the 51st state and everybody went crazy is that accurate i wouldn't say they went crazy i

00:22:58.740 I mean, like, well, it was a very upset.

00:23:01.300 They should be upset, though.

00:23:02.400 I mean, it's a crazy thing to say.

00:23:03.860 It is a crazy thing to say.

00:23:05.140 Canada is not for sale.

00:23:06.080 We're never going to be the 51st state.

00:23:08.400 You know, we love Americans as neighbors and friends, but we we want to be uniquely and we want to be sovereign as Canadians.

00:23:16.260 It's our country.

00:23:17.240 It's where we grow up.

00:23:18.040 You're a patriot as an American.

00:23:19.920 I'm a patriot as a Canadian.

00:23:21.060 It's where my grandfather arrived.

00:23:22.840 It's where our collective ancestors put on military uniforms and sailed to fight wars.

00:23:29.180 It's where our grandkids are going to live.

00:23:30.580 We're very proudly Canadian.

00:23:32.520 So we're never going to be the 51st state.

00:23:34.840 And I just wish you'd knock that shit off so that we can get back to talking about the things that we can do as two separate, but two separate countries that are actually friends.

00:23:45.400 Did that really have that much of an effect up there?

00:23:47.480 Like, did people take him seriously?

00:23:48.780 i think at first everyone thought it was a joke because we've always had these jokes like you know

00:23:56.380 one day we're going to take over vermont and detroit should be part of canada and all that

00:24:00.800 stuff but then he kept saying it and saying it and uh you know it became on it became uh

00:24:08.140 a lot of people got upset about it and i think understandably so understandably yeah i mean it's

00:24:13.100 a crazy thing to say it is a crazy thing to say i talked to him on the phone about it it was like

00:24:18.000 so funny. He's like, at first I was joking, but then

00:24:19.960 people were like, it's a good idea.

00:24:22.360 That's not a good idea.

00:24:24.180 I know what he's saying that. I can assure him of

00:24:26.020 that.

00:24:27.800 And the tariffs aren't a good idea either.

00:24:29.980 We should get the tariffs out, because

00:24:31.980 there's so much that we could be doing together

00:24:33.860 as neighbors and partners

00:24:35.820 if we got rid of those tariffs.

00:24:38.680 I think, what

00:24:40.020 are the biggest problems in America today?

00:24:42.520 Affordability, security.

00:24:44.340 And we can help with both. We

00:24:45.860 knock the tariffs down. Let's look at affordability.

00:24:48.000 We've got the fourth biggest supply of oil anywhere on Earth.

00:24:51.240 You guys pay a huge price discount for our oil because we're effectively, all our infrastructure to ship it is north-south, and it's a very unique, heavy oil.

00:25:00.500 So we accept, unfortunately, and for now, a price discount on the oil we send you, which can translate into more jobs and paychecks, but also lower energy prices.

00:25:11.460 You've got $5 a gallon right now in lots of places in America.

00:25:15.440 You're buying, I want to produce more so we can sell 2 million more barrels of Canadian oil into the U.S. market.

00:25:22.100 And then there's housing.

00:25:23.640 You've got huge housing pressures on young people.

00:25:27.240 They can't afford a place to live.

00:25:28.840 We're the biggest supplier of lumber for home building of any country that imports to the United States, exports to the United States.

00:25:36.860 We've got very low cost but high quality softwood lumber we could be shipping.

00:25:40.360 or the best truck, the best-selling truck in America for 45 years now is the Ford Series.

00:25:48.520 It's aluminum. It's a military-grade aluminum body. You guys can't make enough aluminum here.

00:25:55.360 You don't have enough bauxite or electricity to convert it into aluminum. You get your

00:26:00.480 aluminum from us. A tariff does not bring the production to America. It raises the price

00:26:05.020 of the aluminum and therefore the F-series truck.

00:26:07.760 Get rid of that tariff, you lower taxes,

00:26:10.340 you lower the cost of an F-series truck

00:26:12.220 for the miner in Appalachia or the electrician in Ohio.

00:26:17.540 And that's just on the affordability side.

00:26:19.920 There's a lot we can do with our minerals

00:26:22.200 to make the continent a hell of a lot safer as well.

00:26:25.100 So I think it's in America's interest

00:26:26.720 to come towards a tariff-free deal

00:26:29.240 and trade freely as friends.

00:26:33.000 And that will be good for both of us.

00:26:35.020 Have you had conversations with Trump about this?

00:26:37.060 No.

00:26:37.860 I believe in the rule of one prime minister at a time.

00:26:41.400 So I fought like hell to win.

00:26:42.740 I didn't win.

00:26:43.400 We came very close.

00:26:45.120 So I've said, listen, I'll leave it to the prime minister to do the negotiating.

00:26:49.400 And I've said I'll support him any way I can.

00:26:51.500 Even in my visit down here, I'm sending him text messages to tell him what's going on,

00:26:55.200 to try and support his work, because we both want what's best for Canada.

00:27:00.960 Where are your elections now?

00:27:02.460 When do you have the next elections?

00:27:05.020 That's, um, this is a strangely hard question to answer because we're in a weird system.

00:27:10.760 Yeah, it's weird in comparison to ours.

00:27:13.300 Yours are fixed.

00:27:14.460 As you know, ours, we have technically fixed election dates, but they, but the government

00:27:18.220 can fall at any time.

00:27:19.200 It's very simple.

00:27:20.180 A rule is that if the opposition parties bind up and they can vote down the government,

00:27:24.800 that is to say the majority of MPs in the house say we've lost confidence in the government.

00:27:28.600 The election is now.

00:27:29.940 Or if the prime minister decides he wants an election, he can call it.

00:27:34.140 And the election is now, but, uh, he, it has to be sometime in the next roughly three years.

00:27:40.460 Oh, so you have a deadline where it has to take place.

00:27:43.280 Yeah, that's right.

00:27:44.740 So, but it could happen tomorrow.

00:27:47.080 The, it wouldn't necessarily be tomorrow, but like, you know, in the next few weeks,

00:27:51.600 if there were a non-confidence vote and the government lost it, then, then they, then

00:27:56.380 they go to an election.

00:27:57.180 So it's kind of like the British system.

00:27:59.440 Interesting.

00:28:00.100 Yeah.

00:28:00.380 Oh, it is the British system.

00:28:01.460 Really.

00:28:01.720 We adopted the British system almost identically.

00:28:05.020 So when you're campaigning, you're essentially, this is like a long game.

00:28:09.820 Yeah.

00:28:10.340 You're just laying out your strategy, laying out what you would do to make Canada a better place.

00:28:16.100 Yeah.

00:28:16.780 Well, we have two roles.

00:28:18.140 So I said I'm the leader of the opposition, but I'm also prime minister in waiting.

00:28:22.540 So the notion is that the Canadian people should not only have a government, but they should have an alternative.

00:28:27.600 And that alternative has two functions.

00:28:29.500 official opposition it's actually called that i think it's a proper noun of capital o official

00:28:35.220 capital o opposition and also government in waiting so you have to be prosecuting the government

00:28:40.980 but you have to present to yourself yourself to people in a way where they say yeah that guy or

00:28:46.020 that team could actually be the government those are the dual roles that i have to carry out

00:28:50.880 interesting and how long have you been attempting to become prime minister for how long has this

00:28:57.940 been going on for uh almost exactly four years because i launched my campaign in february of

00:29:04.240 2022 was this something that you had always had in the back of your mind or i i i'd say in the

00:29:09.900 back of my mind but it wasn't something i was set on like uh i i thought maybe you know in my 50s or

00:29:16.540 60s i would try it uh but i was in no rush to do that how old are you now i'm now 46 and so what

00:29:24.760 motivated you to do it well you know in after covid uh as covid was unfolding it wasn't just

00:29:33.420 the the covid policies themselves it was the economic policies because i've been very focused

00:29:39.120 on economics in my parliamentary career and i was seeing the size and cost of government not just in

00:29:45.520 canada but all around the world growing so much and that inflation was just destroying the working

00:29:51.480 class people and that it was going to get a lot worse.

00:29:55.060 And so I, I ran on the platform of making Canada the freest country on earth.

00:30:00.420 Uh, that we had a tradition of freedom in Canada.

00:30:03.540 Our, our, one of our earliest prime ministers, Wilfred Laurier, we asked

00:30:07.360 what's your, what's Canada's nationality.

00:30:09.480 And he couldn't actually list an ethnicity or a religion because we were

00:30:13.340 already mixed up even a hundred years ago.

00:30:15.140 We had Scots and Irish and first peoples.

00:30:18.100 So he said, look, yeah, French, French, most of all, French and

00:30:20.820 English and First Nations. So he said, Canada is free and freedom is its nationality. And I wanted

00:30:29.400 to reinstate that idea. I wanted it to be the freest country anywhere on earth. And so I ran

00:30:34.520 on that platform and won the leadership and then ran in the last election and stayed on after that

00:30:40.400 election. So that's kind of the last four years of my journey. And so the way your elections work

00:30:47.720 now. So you're essentially just stating your case and going around and talking about what policies

00:30:53.260 you would implement and how you would do things differently and just waiting to see how it all

00:30:58.320 plays out. See, our prime minister is different than the president. He's actually part of the

00:31:07.020 legislative branch. So he comes in to the House of Commons and we debate multiple times a week,

00:31:12.520 he and I. So it's not just, you know, in your system, the Republican and Democrat hold like

00:31:17.860 four debates right before the election. In our system, we're always debating. So he comes in,

00:31:22.660 he's on one side, I come in, I'm on the other side. And I ask him like six consecutive questions

00:31:27.420 and then he answers. And we go back and forth. And that's called question period. Then we have

00:31:32.200 these committees where we prosecute and propose on finance, natural resources, healthcare, you name

00:31:38.120 So we're constantly prosecuting the government, also proposing better ideas at the same time.

00:31:43.060 So like the other day, I proposed to bring back the auto pack between Canada and the

00:31:47.440 U.S. to have tariff-free trade going both ways across the border.

00:31:51.200 So that's an example of how I'm in a position to actually offer solutions, even though I'm

00:31:55.180 not in the government.

00:31:56.400 And then hopefully government actually steals my ideas.

00:31:58.620 And I've been encouraging them to steal my ideas.

00:32:01.320 So what...

00:32:02.560 Is this coffee, by the way?

00:32:03.580 Yes.

00:32:03.820 I need some caffeine.

00:32:04.640 Yeah, I need some caffeine there.

00:32:05.800 i'm a terrible caffeine addict

00:32:08.520 me too cheers cheers oh and shout out to george st pierre for hooking this up yes george is a

00:32:18.180 good man he's the best great guy uh he uh he said he's gonna have me do some pad work with him at

00:32:23.440 some point oh really that's pretty dangerous that's awesome he's here all the time he's a

00:32:27.120 fantastic guy he's the best he's one of the best representatives of martial arts you you could ever

00:32:33.120 hope to meet he's got humility and i remember he came to parliament hill uh years ago and i thought

00:32:38.440 geez he's gonna be because he's i thought he'd be cocky and swagger but he was so down to earth

00:32:43.800 so much humility for what he's accomplished in mma i've i've introduced him to people and they

00:32:50.180 have no idea who he is yeah and then i go that is one of the greatest fighters that ever walked

00:32:54.760 the face of the earth absolutely no way he's so nice and that's the canadian way though like it's

00:33:01.040 soft spoken and gentle and kind, but don't, don't piss us off. Yeah. But tough. Yeah. That's where

00:33:08.740 Trump fucked up. I wonder what would have happened if he didn't go along with that 51st state

00:33:14.620 nonsense. You know, I mean, that, that is the narrative in this country. Like I said, that if

00:33:19.200 he didn't do that, that you would have won. Well, you never know, but I try not to cry over spilled

00:33:24.120 milk i focus on what i have to do and live in the present um but uh but this new guy um

00:33:31.360 malott have you followed him mike malott oh sure i know yeah yeah he's gonna be fighting in winnipeg

00:33:37.060 i think he's the next gsp he's very good you like him yeah he's excellent yeah he did a great job

00:33:42.200 in montreal if you saw him there but you have i've been to many of us called a bunch of his

00:33:47.880 fights is that right yeah he's excellent yeah he's uh my buddy is his trainer uh crew allen

00:33:53.060 Amalgam in in Hamilton he's a for a Hamilton steel steel town guy and

00:33:59.880 And we're hoping that he has a big win in Winnipeg

00:34:03.060 So well you guys have one of the best gyms in the world TriStar in Montreal is that right for us a hobby

00:34:08.300 Okay, the if there is there's like maybe a handful of great

00:34:14.060 Masterminds in in MMA as far as coaches right Ross is at the top of the list is that right?

00:34:18.980 And what's his discipline?

00:34:19.660 He trained GSP.

00:34:20.880 Is his discipline karate or kickboxing, Muay Thai?

00:34:23.820 I mean, he's a true mixed martial artist, black belt in jiu-jitsu, kickboxing.

00:34:30.000 I mean, he can do everything.

00:34:31.660 And TriStar is a place where a lot of people from America go up there for their camps.

00:34:36.620 Interesting.

00:34:37.240 Yeah.

00:34:37.840 I'll have to drop in and see those guys.

00:34:39.280 Oh, it's phenomenal.

00:34:40.580 I mean, like I said, GSP trained up there.

00:34:42.620 A lot of fighters trained up there.

00:34:44.060 And he also had a great working relationship with a lot of people in America.

00:34:47.500 So he would come down and, you know, they would exchange fighters back and forth and train with each other.

00:34:53.580 Yeah. Well, we have a great martial arts tradition in Canada.

00:34:56.800 I don't know if you know Mike Miles.

00:34:58.100 He brought Muay Thai from Thailand to Calgary, like back in the 70s or 80s.

00:35:04.940 And he still got a great gym there.

00:35:07.540 Do you know who Jean-Eve Theriault is?

00:35:09.340 Yes, he's a buddy of mine.

00:35:10.340 Oh, really?

00:35:10.900 From Ottawa, yeah.

00:35:11.480 Oh, no kidding.

00:35:12.200 Yeah, he was a hero of mine when I was a kid.

00:35:14.720 Yeah, he's incredible.

00:35:15.740 When I was kickboxing, he was like my idol.

00:35:18.620 Really?

00:35:19.180 Yeah.

00:35:19.640 Does he know that?

00:35:21.160 I never talked to him.

00:35:22.180 Well, he's going to see this.

00:35:23.420 I bought his book.

00:35:24.180 Yeah?

00:35:24.520 I bought his book.

00:35:25.200 I started running stairs because of his book.

00:35:27.580 Right.

00:35:27.740 Because he was talking about how it increased his leg muscles and his kicking power.

00:35:30.520 I remember that.

00:35:31.340 It was in one of his documentaries or something.

00:35:33.140 He said his kicks weren't strong enough, so he would do stairs.

00:35:35.880 But I went and trained at his dojo a few times.

00:35:38.140 It's in South Ottawa.

00:35:39.580 He was incredible.

00:35:40.400 Yeah.

00:35:40.840 He was one of the truly elite kickboxers of his time.

00:35:45.740 He was a great boxer.

00:35:47.800 I know he never competed as a boxer, but his hands were fantastic.

00:35:52.180 Well, that's really what separated him from a lot of other people.

00:35:55.020 His accuracy and his technique was pristine.

00:35:58.000 He told me that he would spend hours studying the distances that your limbs would have to travel depending on how you moved.

00:36:07.220 He was kind of like a scientist in the way he learned and studied.

00:36:11.440 and he was all about simplicity and removing anything unnecessary uh i think bruce lee said

00:36:18.380 that he said simplicity hack away at the unnecessary and uh you know how do you what's

00:36:23.120 the shortest distance to hit the strike and um he's got a great he's a really good heart too

00:36:28.680 you know he had um he has a jujitsu club as well and when i went in there there was a blind fellow

00:36:35.880 who was into jujitsu which you can do as a blind person because it's so much about feel

00:36:39.640 but with covid he couldn't do jujitsu anymore because they they disallowed that kind of

00:36:44.600 up close contact so he actually found a way to train this guy with focus mitts even though he

00:36:49.640 was blind it was really incredible oh wow yeah it was just but it was incredible amount of

00:36:54.280 patience he had invested in making sure this this young man could keep doing his physical activity

00:36:58.640 throughout covid wait a minute so they allowed pad work but they didn't allow jujitsu i don't

00:37:03.600 know if it was a government policy or if it was just it was a policy at the gym because you know

00:37:07.740 you're just so wrapped up and sweating and I'll lead you to this.

00:37:11.100 The gyms in America, everybody just...

00:37:13.000 Just kept going.

00:37:13.720 Kept going.

00:37:14.300 They hid.

00:37:15.200 They would put foil over the windows and hide or come in through the back door.

00:37:19.980 A lot of the gyms in LA, that's what they did.

00:37:21.940 They just plowed ahead.

00:37:23.020 They just figured out a way to not get in trouble.

00:37:26.680 And some people did get caught and get in trouble and nothing ever came of it because

00:37:31.080 it's pretty unconstitutional to tell people that they can't work out together.

00:37:35.340 Like the government really didn't have the right to tell people that they couldn't do what they wanted to do.

00:37:41.880 That was a legal thing that you can do.

00:37:43.900 Like all of a sudden there's this mandate.

00:37:47.600 There's this law or rule being passed down or at least it's being promoted that you're not allowed to go to a gym and work out with other people.

00:37:57.040 But those are the healthiest people.

00:37:59.600 Those are the people that are the least likely to get sick.

00:38:02.200 Like this is crazy to say.

00:38:04.040 and you know if you're sick and if you just have a good gym with good people say hey don't show up

00:38:09.240 if you're sick everybody should be okay these are the people you should worry about the least

00:38:13.740 we need to have common sense again and uh too many governments in the western world have gotten way

00:38:19.000 too bossy they're just looking for every excuse to boss people around and uh that's what we have

00:38:24.980 to push back again and it's you know ev mandates or um you know excessive uh control of the internet

00:38:32.180 or the massive increase in the cost of government,

00:38:36.980 which is really like appropriating the private voluntary economy

00:38:40.200 into the coercive government economy.

00:38:42.840 That's what we're seeing across Europe, in the UK,

00:38:46.360 parts of the United States, as well as back home.

00:38:49.780 So we need to reverse that trend

00:38:52.180 and get people back in charge of their lives.

00:38:54.020 Well, the narrative has always been that rights lost are never regained

00:38:59.260 or are very, very difficult to regain them.

00:39:02.180 So how could you reverse that?

00:39:04.920 Well, you have to keep fighting.

00:39:06.120 I mean, we did regain our rights after COVID.

00:39:10.620 And, you know, the people have to look at the history of it.

00:39:15.060 Which rights did you regain?

00:39:17.880 Well, all the mandates are gone now.

00:39:19.520 Of course.

00:39:20.120 But those were ridiculous anyway.

00:39:21.840 Yeah, they were ridiculous.

00:39:23.480 But a lot of programs.

00:39:24.380 And they also impeded business.

00:39:25.840 They ruined people's lives, social lives.

00:39:28.840 But freedom has always had to be taken.

00:39:31.120 taken. Our tradition goes back to 1215 with the Magna Carta, the great charter. And most of the

00:39:37.440 freedoms we have today were in that original document. Right to a jury trial, no arrest

00:39:43.020 without charge, no confiscation without compensation, no taxation without representation,

00:39:48.480 all comes from that one document, the Magna Carta. And it was because King John was taken

00:39:54.540 aside by the barons and they said, listen, pal, this is the choice. Either you sign this and

00:39:58.760 follow it or we overthrow you and as a result we got the magna carta and all when you guys had your

00:40:04.960 boston tea party and said you can't tax our tea because we don't elect you that was a an appeal

00:40:11.320 as england you were englishmen saying i'm not we're englishmen we have the right not to be

00:40:15.260 taxed unless we vote for it and we're going to throw you out otherwise but that came out of the

00:40:19.520 fields of running meat in england in 1215 so it's a long march towards freedom and it's never

00:40:25.940 actually done. Like there's no permanent victories or defeats. You just have to keep going forward.

00:40:31.540 So if you were elected, let's say you get in right now, what's one of the first things you would do?

00:40:38.240 I would unblock our resources. So we have the most resources of any country in the world

00:40:43.080 per capita, bar none. We need to have, to make it happen though, we need to have the fastest

00:40:48.740 permits anywhere in the world and the lowest taxes on producing those resources. We're the

00:40:54.440 fourth in oil, the number one in uranium, number one in potash for fertilizer.

00:41:00.420 We have the fifth biggest supplier of natural gas.

00:41:03.560 We have, um, the longest oceanic coastline.

00:41:07.020 Like we are, we have 12 of NATO's, um, sorry, we have 10 of 12 of

00:41:13.340 NATO's defined defense minerals.

00:41:16.040 So, you know, you had that guy Palmer Luckey on, I don't think he can make

00:41:20.060 his stuff without Canadian minerals.

00:41:21.560 Maybe I'm wrong, maybe he'll correct me, but like night vision technology, you need to have germanium for that. You need to have gallium to make semiconductors and radar. You need to have aluminum for armored vehicles and airplanes. You need cobalt for heat resistant alloys and fighter jets. You need tungsten for body, sorry, armor piercing ammunition. We have it all.

00:41:48.800 And what I want to do is unblock those resources, produce them in abundance for ourselves and our allies, make $200,000 paychecks for our trades workers, build up an enormous strategic stockpile of it so that we have tons of leverage in international relations.

00:42:05.160 And if, God forbid, there is ever a global conflict, we would have all the resources necessary to win it.

00:42:11.120 But we need to get rid of a lot of laws that are blocking and replace them with laws that have fast permitting so that we can produce this stuff on scale very quickly.

00:42:22.680 So is the concern the environmental impact of extracting these things?

00:42:28.700 Is that what's holding it up?

00:42:30.280 That is the, that's the ostensible reason, but I just think across Western, the Western world, like Europe, UK, parts of the US and Canada, there's a problem with bureaucracy just growing way too damn big.

00:42:48.140 Like, you know, the first nations in our country are incredibly forward looking.

00:42:53.380 The Squamish built 6,000 units of housing on 10 acres of land.

00:42:57.400 You can believe it.

00:42:58.140 in a town in a city of Vancouver where it's very hard to get a permit to do anything because it

00:43:02.680 was their land so they did it they're trying to build they're building now an LNG liquefaction

00:43:07.640 plant where they replaced uh an old dirty mills they cleaned it up and put an LNG plant there

00:43:13.600 but the federal government took a lot of time 14 years to give them a permit

00:43:17.720 so we need to think like they're thinking which is entrepreneurial speed of business get it done

00:43:24.520 quickly um that's how you develop like we have this community in my my district it's called

00:43:30.180 hardesty 600 people they manage a hundred billion dollars of oil in a town of 600 people why is it

00:43:37.000 there because their municipality offers a permit in one week with one page and i wanted to tell

00:43:43.660 this story so i called them and i said can i have someone come and do a video with me and they said

00:43:47.080 we don't have anyone here we don't have like bureaucrats that can help you they're all out

00:43:51.380 on their farms right now. They come in, they stamp the permit, and they go back to their farm.

00:43:55.480 Well, that's why we have $100 billion of energy moving through the area, which is bigger than

00:43:59.340 the GDP of many countries, because they have fast permits. And that's what we need in Canada. We

00:44:03.520 need to be the fastest place to get things done. But don't you think you need some safeguards to

00:44:08.640 protect the environment? And how do you balance that out? Protect it quickly. We can figure out

00:44:13.940 whether a project is damaging to the environment in weeks and months rather than decades. There's

00:44:20.420 nothing you're going to learn in year 14 of the review that you couldn't have learned in in month

00:44:24.860 14 so there's ways to protect the environment when the germans so when the germans had to break their

00:44:30.640 dependence on russia after it invaded ukraine they approved an lng import terminal in 60 days

00:44:38.540 they completed the whole damn thing in less than 200 days and guess what no environmental problems

00:44:44.300 they they got their engineers to sit down and figure out how to do it quickly and that's the

00:44:48.680 that's the mentality that we need to get in Canada. So what would you be able to do to bypass

00:44:55.080 all this bureaucracy? How could that be done legally? Well, you slim it down to one project,

00:45:01.640 one environmental review instead of 20 or 30. You have a fixed timeline that the bureaucrats have to

00:45:07.980 give an answer of six months rather than just as long as they want to drag it on for. And the other

00:45:13.720 thing I would do is study areas where they're perfectly situated to have a project like a

00:45:18.100 pipeline or a mine or an LNG export terminal or a port expansion, and I would pre-permit it.

00:45:23.280 I would say to our officials, go in, study, make sure that the environmental aspects are all in

00:45:27.440 good order. I will issue a pre-permit, and then anybody who comes along and wants to build it,

00:45:31.500 as long as they follow the terms and act responsibly, has a guaranteed permit

00:45:35.080 before they even apply for it. And I think we would have a roaring economy if we did that.

00:45:42.100 That sounds awesome, but the great fear is that if you do have an impact on the environment,

00:45:48.100 that impact is often permanent, and it's devastating.

00:45:51.480 And I've seen some of the oil extraction that they've done up in Alberta

00:45:56.460 where you look at the area, it looks like scorched earth.

00:46:00.360 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:46:02.140 It's the most responsible oil extraction in the world.

00:46:05.140 But when you see these, what is that one area that often gets criticized?

00:46:10.380 Fort Mac.

00:46:11.180 Is that what it is?

00:46:11.820 Yeah, they're open pit mines.

00:46:13.740 You open up a mine, you take out the bitumen,

00:46:16.560 you subtract you you separate the sand from the oil you you make it less viscous by putting diluent

00:46:23.780 in it and and you ship it off and then after the oil is after the mining is done they they

00:46:28.020 resurface it and you wouldn't even know there was a mine there and there's no impact to groundwater

00:46:33.560 no impact to the environment i mean there's an impact no matter what you do but at the end of

00:46:38.940 the day the people who live there are very healthy and very happy and they're the strongest supporters

00:46:42.660 of the expansion of the oil sands.

00:46:45.140 It's an incredible...

00:46:45.740 Because economically, it's amazing.

00:46:46.740 Oh, it's incredible.

00:46:47.440 It's the best resource in the world.

00:46:49.100 It's like there's no decline rate.

00:46:51.700 You guys have shale here,

00:46:52.960 but as the years go by,

00:46:54.580 you get less and less out of a shale reservoir.

00:46:57.680 We have very little decline.

00:46:59.600 We can keep producing and producing.

00:47:01.740 We have what's called in situ,

00:47:04.100 where there's an entire oil sands operation under your feet.

00:47:07.300 You could be out in a forest hunting,

00:47:08.560 and you wouldn't even know that under your feet

00:47:10.280 they're extracting it through a whole system of pipes

00:47:12.300 where they inject just steam, steam vapor, that loosens up the oil, it sinks down,

00:47:16.920 it goes into another pipe, comes up to the top, and you can have beautiful, pristine nature,

00:47:21.900 the bears, the deer, the birds, they don't even know that there's extraction happening under their feet.

00:47:27.520 So we have the best industry, the most responsible industry anywhere in the world.

00:47:31.440 It's been a really disgusting PR campaign by extremist environmentalists

00:47:37.320 and frankly some of our competitors to try and make our industry look bad,

00:47:41.260 but it's the best industry in the world yeah they got me yeah i saw some videos on it i was like oh

00:47:45.920 my god what are they doing to the ground what are they doing to the earth it looks horrible they're

00:47:49.680 all it's it's all bullshit we have the it looks horrible yeah but i mean it that's just a

00:47:55.380 superficial look at it you i'll take you for a tour in the oil sense you'll be amazed we have

00:47:59.420 the best engineers in the world and by the way the first nations people absolutely love it because

00:48:04.140 it's lifting their people out of poverty they're getting enormous job opportunities out of it one

00:48:08.820 of our MPs is a former chief where they took 18% unemployment, brought it down to three,

00:48:15.320 balanced their budget. Another one of my members of parliament in Northern British Columbia

00:48:19.340 negotiated a $40 billion LNG plant on the Heisla territory. It's completely eliminating poverty

00:48:26.820 for the First Nations there. And by exporting clean Canadian natural gas, which we can liquefy

00:48:32.320 25% cheaper because it's cold as hell in Canada. They actually displaced dirty coal overseas. So

00:48:39.480 instead of Asia burning coal, they're burning clean Canadian gas that's delivered by First

00:48:44.660 Nations Partnership. So this is the best way to do it. It makes everybody richer and makes our

00:48:50.020 entire continent better off. Well, it seems so simple the way you're laying it out. I don't

00:48:54.320 understand why this hasn't been implemented. Yeah, this is the story of my life. It's frustrating.

00:49:00.680 But is it that simple? Is it really that this is what's holding everything up? The bureaucracy and the time it takes for permits and.

00:49:10.100 Yeah, like a lot of things.

00:49:11.700 Regulations.

00:49:12.360 We have the same thing in housing. And so do you. Like if you look at.

00:49:15.980 California.

00:49:16.620 California is terrible. Like why is there such a housing shortage in California? It's because it takes forever to get a permit and there's always bureaucracy standing in the way.

00:49:24.800 And it totally screws over the working class youth who can't find a place to live because they're not being built.

00:49:30.260 And we have that challenge in Canada as well.

00:49:33.020 That's why I proposed ideas to cut the bureaucracy and the taxes so that we can build affordable homes for our youth.

00:49:39.020 Because right now we have a whole generation that can't afford homes.

00:49:42.660 And that was one of the biggest issues I ran on.

00:49:45.080 Homeownership is necessary for family formation, for civil peace in society where, you know, everybody feels like they have a piece of the pie.

00:49:53.240 We need to expand homeownership.

00:49:55.100 But to do that, you've got to get the government gatekeepers out of the way, speed up the permits, free up the land, cut the development taxes.

00:50:02.740 So let's assume that you got an office.

00:50:05.840 How much time would it take to start implementing these things and how quickly would that impact be felt by the Canadian people?

00:50:14.980 Look, I think a lot of them could move very quickly.

00:50:17.240 There's a lot of projects that investors are sitting on, but they don't have certainty in permits.

00:50:22.960 So I would unblock that.

00:50:24.580 And I think in the first year, you would start to see immediate benefits for the working people who'd be getting these jobs.

00:50:32.900 Some of it would take more and more like a medium term.

00:50:36.040 Like the second thing I would go after is just the inflationary spending, which is a big problem all over the Western world.

00:50:45.240 Like people just can't afford to live.

00:50:48.340 I don't know if you do.

00:50:49.360 Do you encounter that around here?

00:50:50.940 Oh, yeah.

00:50:51.520 Yeah.

00:50:51.820 I mean, inflation is crazy.

00:50:53.220 and it's i mean the national debt in america just went up to 39 trillion right which is bigger than

00:50:59.260 your gdp it's a lot of money so so explain this to me 50 years ago a barber and a barber and a

00:51:07.340 barber and a waitress could buy a house with a big yard for a dog and raise four kids meat and

00:51:12.640 potatoes on the dinner table every night and now an accountant and a lawyer can't do that why is

00:51:17.840 that as well there's a lot of spending yeah and a lot of making money a lot of just cash turning

00:51:24.460 you know z just making dollar bills with nothing behind it nothing to back it this is the biggest

00:51:32.980 fraud perpetrated on the working class people in the last hundred years printing money is just

00:51:39.040 insane it's just the the idea you just print more money it's like and people go okay well it looks

00:51:44.960 it looks painless at first, but if you have an economy with 10 apples and $10, it's a buck an

00:51:50.540 apple. You double the number of dollars to 20, but you still only have 10 apples. Well, all of a

00:51:56.480 sudden it's two bucks an apple. It's not that the cost of apples has gone up. It still costs the

00:52:01.400 same resources to grow and pick the apples. It's that the price has gone up because the value of

00:52:06.200 the money has gone down. So in America, over the last 55 years, you've doubled the number of homes

00:52:13.280 in America, from both $70 million to $150 million.

00:52:16.440 You know how much the money supply has grown?

00:52:18.580 30 times.

00:52:20.240 So you have twice the homes, but 30 times the cash.

00:52:24.620 So what's happened?

00:52:26.720 Housing costs have gone up 15-fold in 55 years,

00:52:30.240 and now an entire generation of kids can't afford homes.

00:52:33.040 We have exactly the same problem in Canada.

00:52:35.420 This is the biggest wealth transfer from the working class

00:52:38.960 to the elites from, I say, the have-nots to the have-yachts.

00:52:44.340 And Washington and Wall Street love it, by the way,

00:52:46.920 because it inflates the stock market, inflates the bureaucracy.

00:52:50.320 Politicians get to spend.

00:52:51.640 CEOs get their stocks inflated.

00:52:55.280 But it destroys the working people, and we need to get back to hard money.

00:53:00.480 Everything should be getting cheaper, by the way.

00:53:02.540 You know, it takes 60% to 80% less resources to grow food.

00:53:05.980 We grow four times the food on the same acre,

00:53:07.900 get four times as much milk from the same cow we use 80 less water and fertilizer so why isn't it

00:53:14.320 that food is not less expensive it's because all of those gains are being erased by monetary

00:53:20.260 inflation so it's not that food is more costly it's that the value the money we use to buy it

00:53:26.040 has less purchasing power and we need to do what the swiss do which is they don't print money they

00:53:31.820 have balanced budgets they have almost no deficit and they have almost zero inflation in switzerland

00:53:37.720 They have the strongest money in the world, the Swiss franc.

00:53:40.520 And we would all be better if we operated like the Swiss when it comes to our money.

00:53:46.140 So in a real-world scenario, it's like you take over Canada.

00:53:50.320 How would you go about implementing this?

00:53:52.140 You've got to cut bureaucracy, consultants, which consume, by the way, $26 billion of spending.

00:53:58.640 How big is your debt in Canada?

00:54:00.280 $1.3-ish trillion.

00:54:02.460 Oh, that's baby debt.

00:54:03.660 It's compared to you.

00:54:05.140 You guys are really...

00:54:06.640 We're ridiculous.

00:54:07.600 Wild.

00:54:08.160 But you've gotten away with it because the dollar, the American dollar is the reserve currency.

00:54:12.960 So all of these countries prop up the value of the US dollar by keeping it on reserve.

00:54:18.160 Better hope that doesn't change.

00:54:19.740 Yeah, better hope.

00:54:20.420 We don't have that luxury.

00:54:23.400 And so, but we do have a lot of debt and we have a lot, we have provinces too.

00:54:28.180 They're quite indebted.

00:54:29.620 But I would cut the bureaucracy.

00:54:31.780 I would cut consultants, foreign aid.

00:54:34.360 I'd cut way back on foreign aid.

00:54:36.640 We give a corporate welfare, these checks to corporations.

00:54:40.100 I believe business should make money rather than take money, so I would get rid of that.

00:54:44.580 We're giving a lot of money to fake refugees, people who come in and don't actually, they're not actually fleeing danger.

00:54:54.560 Like I love real refugees.

00:54:56.060 My wife was a refugee, but I have no time for people who are pretending, but they're not really.

00:55:00.960 And what do you mean by pretending to be a refugee?

00:55:02.880 How are they doing this?

00:55:03.560 They're not actually endangered in their home country.

00:55:05.460 So they've come to be declared themselves as students and then wanting to stay declaring a refugee status.

00:55:13.280 Oh, and this is common?

00:55:14.940 Yeah, it happens.

00:55:16.180 It happens.

00:55:16.980 And they just want to have a better life.

00:55:18.440 So I don't begrudge them as people.

00:55:20.220 But we can't spend money on social service, stay enhanced social services, advanced programs that we as Canadians don't get for people who are not paying.

00:55:30.340 So you're not opposed to them being there.

00:55:31.760 You're opposed to them getting Canadian welfare.

00:55:34.080 I'm opposed to them. If they're not real refugees, they shouldn't be brought in as refugees.

00:55:38.960 I think we have to distinguish between those people who are actually in danger in their home country, which is the definition of a refugee, and someone who just wants to come in excess of their proper immigration stream.

00:55:52.000 Is this that common that it's actually affecting your economy?

00:55:56.540 Right now, it's a challenge because we had a big number of international students and temporary foreign workers that came in in very large numbers.

00:56:03.480 in like two or three years.

00:56:05.900 We were bringing in about a million people a year,

00:56:08.660 which in America's terms would be 10 million,

00:56:10.880 like just if you're doing per capita.

00:56:12.880 And it really caused a housing shortage,

00:56:16.140 like some places where you have 26 of these students

00:56:19.100 living in one basement.

00:56:20.860 So we're trying to unwind that now.

00:56:23.500 And how do you do that?

00:56:25.700 Well, when their work permit and their visitor visa runs out,

00:56:28.600 then we have to encourage them to head back lawfully.

00:56:33.480 right but you don't want to do it ice style no no i don't think we need to do that i just think

00:56:40.180 we have to be orderly and lawful about it and is that supported by the canadian people yes because

00:56:45.200 we're a very welcoming country we're a nation of immigrants but we're also a nation of laws

00:56:49.780 and we there's a general consensus like across the spectrum in canada that there there was

00:56:56.700 the the population growth was too fast for like four or five years and

00:57:02.880 So we're trying to unwind that now

00:57:06.320 What are what are the other things that you would have to do to?

00:57:10.200 drop your debt and sort of balance your budget and

00:57:14.960 Begin to turn things around well in addition

00:57:18.160 So I I like this idea that actually believe it or not the Clinton that Bill Clinton and the Republicans did in the 90s in the US

00:57:25.120 It was called the pay go law. It was a very simple principle. Every time the administration wanted to bring in a new dollar of spending, they had to match it with a dollar of savings. So there was no extra net spending for like eight years. And that's when your government balanced its budget and paid off $400 billion of debt. That law lapsed in 2002. And immediately after that, America went back into deficits and you haven't emerged. You've been in deficit now for 25 years.

00:57:55.120 This is about internalizing the scarcity.

00:57:57.600 Every creature in the universe, every bird in the trees, every fish in the seas has to live with scarcity, maximizing use of scarce resources.

00:58:05.360 The only creature who doesn't do that is the politician because he's always using someone else's money.

00:58:11.220 It's like, oh, I'll just print it or borrow it or tax it.

00:58:14.280 It's not my money.

00:58:15.600 And so they routinely show up to their cabinet meetings and say, well, I've got a new idea.

00:58:20.320 It's $100 million.

00:58:21.260 Where are you going to get it?

00:58:21.900 I don't know.

00:58:22.740 We'll print it.

00:58:23.260 We'll borrow it.

00:58:23.920 we'll we'll tax it not my money but if you had a law saying you can't actually bring a proposal

00:58:28.960 to cabinet unless you have matching savings to pay for it well then you'd have these politicians

00:58:32.600 walking up and down the hallways in their departments looking for waste and like rooting

00:58:36.800 it out so instead of making the single mom the senior or the small business owner live with

00:58:42.180 scarcity I want the politicians and bureaucrats to live with scarcity and that's what I would

00:58:46.640 impose by law on my government well it's just a rational way to deal with the problem like

00:58:53.200 don't spend money unless you could save money exactly that's how you balance

00:58:57.820 things out I mean Clinton did balance the budget he did during his time and

00:59:01.780 people forget that because we've always assumed that there's always been this

00:59:04.480 extraordinary debt but that's not the case they're in the 1990s I mean he did

00:59:10.000 a fantastic job at that yeah they and it was the Congress was was very

00:59:14.020 disciplined as well and the American people just got fed up and said we're

00:59:16.820 not tolerating these deficits anymore and and they imposed scarcity from the

00:59:21.000 center. And by the way, the economy boomed because the government was restrained and the free market

00:59:25.660 economy could just roar. And that's another part of the equation, by the way, is unlock the power

00:59:33.020 of free enterprise. Like this is the 250th anniversary, not just of the Declaration of

00:59:38.720 Independence, but also of Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations, where he basically, for the first time in

00:59:43.980 human history, described the free market system. And that was starting to flourish in the States

00:59:50.340 and in parts of Europe. And that system basically started to come into place after, you know,

00:59:56.960 the late 1770s. The growth since the free market system has come into place in the world has been

01:00:03.460 200 times faster than it was before. Because it is the most powerful system for generating

01:00:10.560 material benefit for the people. And that's what we need to restore in Canada. I want to make it

01:00:14.820 the freest economy in the world well that all sounds amazing how the hell did you lose

01:00:20.540 how can a rational person not vote for that i mean you're not saying anything that's restrictive

01:00:31.000 you're not saying anything that is in any way infringing on people's rights or liberties or

01:00:37.240 it just sounds like it's all just a hundred percent positive for canada that's what i think

01:00:41.780 That's that's my mission. And I think it will be possible. I will get there. You know, Canadians do things through evolution, not revolution. So I'm just going to keep pushing my ideas. And I think that I think overwhelmingly we'll we'll win the next election.

01:00:54.840 Well, it sounds like I just can't see how someone would listen to what you're saying and say, I find fault in this.

01:01:03.360 Other than like the potential environmental impact of extracting resources, I could see how a lot of the greenies would get like really upset and get their panties in a bunch about that and be very incredulous to the idea that you're going to protect the environment while you're extracting all these resources.

01:01:19.640 But if you could lay it all out and also lay out this enormous economic impact and how it would uplift impoverished communities, how it would completely change the economic landscape of the country, it just only makes sense.

01:01:34.360 That's why I'm baffled.

01:01:37.640 Well, listen, the people render their judgment, but it means I have to do a better job of proselytizing.

01:01:43.120 What were the criticisms of you?

01:01:44.120 What did your opponent say that resonated with people?

01:01:49.640 um what were they trying to say it was funny because they all disagreed with my ideas and

01:01:54.280 they said these are all very scary ideas scary and then they said growth first of all they said

01:01:59.000 they said that i had no policies then they said uh they're scary policies and then they stole my

01:02:03.400 policies right before the election so uh but hey listen if the government that's in power now

01:02:09.000 steals all my ideas and does the things i want to do then i then i've won because that's why i came

01:02:13.720 here i didn't just do it so that i could have the my name on the door so i keep saying to the prime

01:02:18.520 minister steal my ideas right but he doesn't want to well he uh i won't criticize him on foreign

01:02:26.120 soil i will uh but uh good for you yeah i mean uh we have a mutual that's such a canadian thing to

01:02:32.280 do that is so polite you know that's what i'm saying about canadians they're so polite it's

01:02:38.960 funny your security guy was talking about the canadian standoff of uh you know when you get

01:02:42.880 to a door you go first no you go first you go first you can stay there all day actually looked

01:02:46.900 this up the other day. Ontario actually has an apology act. It's a law that defines the apology

01:02:52.940 because we always say sorry in Canada. So they wanted to clarify that sorry is not a legal

01:02:57.480 admission of guilt. So like if we get into a car accident, I say, oh, sorry, man, it's terrible.

01:03:02.340 Your bumper doesn't mean that I'm guilty. It's actually in law. There's so many apologies.

01:03:07.460 Even if somebody else screwed up, you say sorry. That's funny. That's so Canadian.

01:03:12.880 But, you know, the great thing about Canada is we've always sorted our shit out peacefully.

01:03:17.800 Like the Protestants and Catholics tore each other's eyeballs out in Europe for like hundreds of years.

01:03:23.860 And then we came to Canada and just got along.

01:03:26.260 And that's the great thing about Canada is like you can come, you know, Muslims and Jews, Christians and sorry, Protestants and Catholics, Hindus and Sikhs.

01:03:36.740 They come to Canada and they just get along.

01:03:38.480 They live on the same streets.

01:03:39.520 eventually we all start intermarrying and uh it's a it's a great thing about canada well it really

01:03:44.980 is a great melting pot you know yeah and and like folks get to keep their their cultures like uh at

01:03:51.260 the same time as uh blending into the canadian identity like my wife my wife's from venezuela

01:03:56.860 and uh so like you know oftentimes i like i'm i'm in the house and there's like 16 latinos and

01:04:02.860 they're all speaking spanish i have no idea what the hell's going on and uh they have this food

01:04:07.960 call the jackas and i said you know when they start start cooking this stuff i thought my

01:04:12.040 i said to my wife did your mom just call me a jackass um because that's what it sounded like

01:04:17.960 i don't speak any spanish but you should probably learn i should now they're yapping in your house

01:04:23.320 it's a great uh my kids are starting to learn spanish so i'm going to be outnumbered

01:04:27.240 yeah you better learn it yeah yeah bye um so what else is uh an issue in canada that you would like

01:04:35.720 like to fix um we need those napkins we have to we got a allergy i'm dealing with we we got to

01:04:43.320 toughen up our justice system um it got way too soft and uh what's wrong with the justice system

01:04:49.960 basically bail um i mean we all believe in the basic principle that you're innocent until

01:04:55.300 approved proven guilty but if someone's convicted has have like 150 prior convictions and they're

01:05:01.400 newly arrested on their latest crime yeah i don't think we should be released releasing them onto

01:05:06.000 the streets and so we got two lacks on bail so there's now a consensus in canada that you should

01:05:12.740 have severe restrictions on repeat offenders like in vancouver they had to arrest the same 40 guys

01:05:18.600 6 000 times in one year 40 guys 6 000 arrests so they're basically being released within hours of

01:05:27.320 their latest arrest. So we now built a bipartisan, multi-partisan consensus to fix that. And we're

01:05:34.780 pushing to toughen the bail system and ensure that it's the repeat offenders, a tiny group.

01:05:41.660 We don't have a lot of criminals in Canada, but they do a tremendous amount of crime. So if you

01:05:45.820 take them off the street, you put them in prison, you can basically reduce the crime rate dramatically.

01:05:50.940 Well, we probably have more crime percentage-wise in America, but it's still a small percentage of

01:05:56.660 the population that commits the crime yeah but it's the same issue like in New

01:06:00.080 York City it's extraordinary the amount of people that are repeat offenders yeah

01:06:03.980 and they just let them go in California no cash bail let them go it's like it is

01:06:09.800 bananas and it doesn't make any sense and it doesn't make anybody help I

01:06:13.340 understand you want to be empathetic and I understand these narratives that the

01:06:17.720 prison system is racist and the justice system is racist and these people never

01:06:22.280 been given a great shake in life, well, if you want to fix that, start in these impoverished

01:06:28.160 neighborhoods, establish community centers, establish better education, fund that, but

01:06:33.660 don't let hardened criminals back on the street when they...they're habitual.

01:06:40.380 If you've been arrested 40, 50 times, it doesn't seem like you're getting any better.

01:06:44.660 So whatever rehabilitation process they have going on there, that's not working.

01:06:49.600 So keep doing the same thing over and over again.

01:06:51.880 Unless you like crime, I don't understand why you would do that.

01:06:55.500 This has been, you know, it's imposed by these so-called experts.

01:06:58.980 They tell, oh, we've done all these studies that show that these often crime policies work.

01:07:03.140 But everywhere it's been tried, it's been an absolute disaster anywhere in the Western world.

01:07:08.220 We have a town called Penticton.

01:07:09.940 There's one guy who the police can tell by looking at the crime rate, whether he's been in jail or not.

01:07:16.800 When he comes out of jail, the crime rate for the entire town of Van Dicton actually goes up.

01:07:22.280 That's so crazy.

01:07:23.560 But you just keep him in prison.

01:07:24.980 That seems so simple to solve.

01:07:27.300 It's like there's so many of these problems with government that it's just like rational thinking.

01:07:31.660 Exactly.

01:07:32.600 One of the great interviews that I loved about you, you were eating an apple.

01:07:36.700 And you were talking to this guy who was being completely ridiculous.

01:07:39.520 You were asking him to define the issues that he had.

01:07:42.740 And it was so funny.

01:07:43.540 It was like, this is what happens when a rational person meets a person with empty narratives.

01:07:47.880 It was such a weird moment because.

01:07:50.260 You just kept eating that apple.

01:07:51.600 It was such a good apple.

01:07:53.600 It was so good.

01:07:54.980 That's the thing.

01:07:56.000 And the thing is, I didn't even realize I was being taped.

01:07:58.440 I thought it was a print interview.

01:07:59.960 Oh, that's hilarious.

01:08:01.400 That's why I think I was so relaxed.

01:08:04.700 But so I'm in the most beautiful place in the world.

01:08:06.940 If you ever, if you haven't been to the Okanagan, it's unbelievable.

01:08:09.500 Like, it's lakes, it's mountains, it's nice, dry weather, and there's orchards and vineyards there.

01:08:16.120 Like, you'd love it.

01:08:17.480 And so I'm in an apple orchard, and I'm walking around just talking with people, and my staff says, this reporter wants to do an interview, and I'm enjoying the apple.

01:08:24.540 He comes up and starts asking questions.

01:08:26.900 Nobody who was there thought this was a moment.

01:08:28.940 Like, we'd have thought nothing of it.

01:08:30.480 We dumped the whole thing.

01:08:31.840 My staff, unbeknownst to me, was recording my whole walk.

01:08:34.660 We dumped this 50-minute video on the Internet, and no one noticed it.

01:08:37.440 And like three weeks later, my phone blows up and people say, hey, how about that apple?

01:08:42.200 I'm like, what are they talking about, this apple thing?

01:08:44.800 And then, you know, within three days, everybody's talking to me about this damn apple that I had almost forgotten about eating.

01:08:51.160 Well, that conversation sort of, it embodied this issue.

01:08:57.700 It really did.

01:08:58.800 Because you have rational thinking and empty narratives colliding while you're eating an apple.

01:09:05.340 Like you're so casual about it.

01:09:07.240 you're actually eating an apple which was so perfect i mean you couldn't if if you planned

01:09:11.480 on like if you had a pr team i think you should be eating an apple they'd be like oh i like it

01:09:16.760 so he's casual he's eating fruit it's healthy you know it was totally coincidence like out of

01:09:22.440 nowhere not planned and not even noticed like i said no one there thought this was going to be a

01:09:27.800 moment we just like totally forgot about it well it made it in america it was viral in america and

01:09:33.240 And we were like, how come that guy's not the prime minister?

01:09:35.460 What the hell's going on?

01:09:36.620 Well, in the meantime, you can buy Ambrosio apples from the South Okanagan.

01:09:40.360 I'm really plugging a lot of sales for the Canadian economy today.

01:09:44.180 You know what I found out about Canadian maple syrup?

01:09:48.520 What's that?

01:09:48.940 It is actually a superfood, and it is actually better for you than honey.

01:09:54.000 Is that right?

01:09:54.640 Yeah, it contains a bunch of polyphenols and a bunch of healthy nutrients.

01:09:59.720 I always thought maple syrup was just a guilty pleasure.

01:10:02.160 You pour it on pancakes.

01:10:03.080 No, it's a totally Canadian thing.

01:10:04.720 But apparently it's really good for you.

01:10:05.700 So you take it before your workout?

01:10:07.120 No, no.

01:10:07.900 I just watched an Instagram video yesterday.

01:10:10.420 Somebody sent it to me, and I was like, what is this?

01:10:12.880 We'll have to send you a bunch of maple syrup from Canada.

01:10:15.000 Oh, I've got a bunch.

01:10:15.940 I've had a bunch of Canadian friends send me some.

01:10:16.920 We actually have a maple syrup reserve in Canada, like a reserve of excess stockpiles.

01:10:22.560 Like oil reserve?

01:10:23.540 Well, we don't have an oil reserve.

01:10:24.880 This is something I want to change.

01:10:26.200 I want to have an oil reserve, but I also want to keep the maple syrup reserve, because

01:10:29.760 we're Canadians after all.

01:10:31.040 There's nothing more Canadian than that.

01:10:32.660 Well, it's so delicious.

01:10:33.760 I can't believe it's good for you.

01:10:35.300 Make sure that's true.

01:10:37.140 I mean, in what way is it true?

01:10:40.080 Are there nutrients?

01:10:41.440 Let's put it into perplexity.

01:10:42.620 No, I did.

01:10:42.860 Our sponsor.

01:10:43.720 I compared it versus honey.

01:10:45.120 I'll give you what it showed.

01:10:46.220 That's not saying it's better.

01:10:47.820 Maple syrup and honey are both sugary, but maple syrup is slightly lower in calories.

01:10:52.160 The glycemic index has more minerals like manganese and calcium, while honey is a bit higher in calories.

01:11:00.280 It has a slightly stronger impact on blood sugar.

01:11:02.440 Well, this guy on Instagram was very convincing.

01:11:07.480 I wish I saved it.

01:11:09.140 I think it's convincing.

01:11:10.120 I think you should go with it.

01:11:10.880 I'm in it.

01:11:11.740 I'm done.

01:11:12.760 Stick with it.

01:11:13.520 Tastes better, too.

01:11:14.580 Yeah, it's the best.

01:11:15.640 It's fantastic.

01:11:16.480 Put that with a little bit of Greek yogurt, your protein.

01:11:18.760 Oh, yeah.

01:11:19.660 That's what I do.

01:11:20.780 Greek yogurt.

01:11:21.780 And maple syrup.

01:11:22.620 Maybe we'll start a trend.

01:11:23.640 Because everybody uses honey on their yogurt.

01:11:25.640 No, maple syrup from Canada.

01:11:27.400 Because if it's not from Canada, it's not the real deal.

01:11:29.340 Well, there's a lot of fake syrup, right?

01:11:31.360 There's a lot of junk.

01:11:32.100 out there yeah when you go to a pancake house and they have that stuff in the little plastic cups

01:11:36.640 that's garbage crap yeah you don't want to have that's manufactured crap well that's the case

01:11:41.320 with honey as well i had a woman in here once it was a beekeeper and she was explaining to us that

01:11:45.340 a lot of honey is not actually honey they water it down with uh corn syrup there's so much shit

01:11:51.780 in our food these days yes i believe in eating clean 100 well i mean that was one of the primary

01:11:58.780 factors for me supporting this administration was RFK Jr. in this Make America Healthy Again

01:12:05.520 initiative. Because I think, you know, I had my friend Brigham Bueller yesterday from Ways

01:12:10.320 to Well on, and, you know, we hammered this many times over and over again, but people

01:12:15.780 need to hear it. We spend more money on health care, and we're sicker than we've ever been

01:12:20.780 before. And we have more chronic illness, and we have more money. None of it makes any

01:12:25.360 sense it's completely ridiculous and it's obvious that people are eating the wrong things and there

01:12:30.480 was so much outrage of him implementing all these healthy choices and trying to get rid of dyes that

01:12:35.840 are illegal in canada like the same cereals that the same factory sells in canada they sell with

01:12:43.920 natural dyes and in america we demand them to be more colorful so we put poison in them really yeah

01:12:49.920 Is that no you know what what are the what do you think are the dietary habits that are making people in the Western world sick right now like is it the dyes is it the sugars is it the carbs like what's getting people.

01:13:05.380 There's a lot of things. First of all, it's processed foods. Processed foods is an enormous percentage of a lot of Americans' diets. Things with massive amounts of preservatives in them. If you want a general guideline, eat real food. Eat real eggs, real vegetables, real meat, real fish. You'll be healthier.

01:13:27.360 Yeah. As soon as you start having things that can sit on a shelf forever, except things like rice and, you know, normal beans, like things that are dried.

01:13:35.240 That makes sense. They could sit there. But if something can just sit on a shelf for a long period of time and you consume it, how is it just not rotting?

01:13:43.040 Exactly. I'm sure you've seen where they've taken a McDonald's Big Mac and they've just let it sit.

01:13:47.900 Take a cheeseburger in a box and the guy pulls it out like 10 years later. It looks exactly the same. That's not food.

01:13:54.220 The bacteria didn't want to eat it.

01:13:55.900 They looked at it and they were like, I'm not eating that.

01:13:57.860 If bacteria doesn't eat it, if mold doesn't eat it, that's crazy.

01:14:00.840 Why are you eating it?

01:14:01.820 Like there's something in it preventing the mold from growing.

01:14:05.520 What is that?

01:14:06.500 Well, that stuff fucks with your gut bacteria.

01:14:09.080 It's terrible for your body.

01:14:11.000 And empty calories.

01:14:13.140 And we consume an enormous amount of processed food in this country.

01:14:17.400 And if you want to be a healthier person, eat real fruit, eat real food, eat real vegetables, eat real meat.

01:14:23.720 is that simple just that that would fix 90 of our problems when it comes to people's diets

01:14:31.180 and we like when my my wife once looked at some of the baby formula we had and she said she looked

01:14:37.600 on it she said there's no expiry date on this this never goes bad that's crazy that can't be

01:14:41.600 that can't be a good thing right means while breast milk you have to freeze right exactly yeah

01:14:46.240 so uh and then what about on the like the fitness side what do you think we can do i mean beyond

01:14:52.160 you've done a lot just talking about it with your the size of your audience you've probably got a

01:14:57.480 lot of people off the couch but what policies do you think we could push that would get people

01:15:02.480 physically active working out moving again well the real important thing is community the the

01:15:08.020 easiest way to get fit is to to get around a bunch of other people that are also involved in the same

01:15:13.540 endeavor right if you have a bunch of friends that are unhappy with the way their life is like

01:15:18.140 just go walk together. Say, hey, guys, let's all go for a walk after dinner together. Let's all

01:15:24.280 decide, like as a neighborhood, to go walk. Just walk for a half an hour after your meals. It'll

01:15:29.440 lower your glycemic index. It'll change your body. It'll make you healthier. You'll feel better.

01:15:35.560 It just does so much for you, just movement and activity. And if you're involved with a group of

01:15:42.840 people that are also inclined in the same direction, they're also trying to get better,

01:15:47.980 trying to get fit, then you kind of, you know, you feed off of your atmosphere.

01:15:52.960 People imitate the people that are around them, and you get support from the people

01:15:56.640 that are around them.

01:15:57.640 You know, make it a little healthy competition, you know, who can, you know, do the most exercise

01:16:03.120 and who can do the most, you know, whatever it is, like whether it's a sport or whether

01:16:07.920 it's a game or whether it's just something that you enjoy doing that's physically taxing

01:16:14.820 slightly.

01:16:15.820 It doesn't have to be a crazy kettlebell workout or a jiu-jitsu class.

01:16:19.440 Just take a walk.

01:16:22.240 If the world, if the United States or Canada or anybody that's got problems with their health

01:16:28.240 just decided to start walking every day for 20 minutes, it'll change your life.

01:16:33.500 And then add things to it.

01:16:34.780 Add some bodyweight squats, add some push-ups, skip a little rope, do something.

01:16:38.800 Take a yoga class.

01:16:40.300 It'll change your life.

01:16:41.880 Right.

01:16:42.480 Absolutely.

01:16:43.240 You need activity.

01:16:44.040 the human body has needs and when it doesn't those needs are not met and you don't your

01:16:50.280 biological requirements aren't met you get develop anxiety you get overweight your your muscles

01:16:55.980 atrophy your bone density decreases you can't open up a jar anymore there's all these problems that

01:17:01.740 could be solved with just simple movement and activity you don't have to become a fitness nut

01:17:07.100 you have to become a gym rat you just do something and that alone and then change what you eat drink

01:17:13.800 more water. Stop drinking soda. Stop drinking so much alcohol. You know, stop eating processed

01:17:20.880 food. If we just slowly but surely get this in people's heads. For the longest time, people didn't

01:17:27.720 think there was anything wrong with eating processed food. They didn't think there was

01:17:31.000 anything wrong with, they thought sugar just gave you extra calories, that's it. They didn't realize

01:17:35.980 the catastrophic health consequences of consuming all this sugar, the increase in type 2 diabetes,

01:17:41.300 All these problems that people are having, that people are having because of poor diets and a lack of movement.

01:17:46.680 So what's your theory, though, on how that – why did that happen?

01:17:49.880 Why did – what caused millions of people to shift their diets away from good, wholesome, real food towards the processed garbage?

01:17:59.240 Well, first of all, marketing, right, and availability, right?

01:18:04.640 They always say the center of the grocery store is what you should avoid because the center is all the stuff that doesn't need to be refrigerated.

01:18:11.300 Everything on the outskirts, all the vegetables and the fruit and the meats and the milk, that's all the stuff that's healthy because it has to be refrigerated because if it's not, it goes bad.

01:18:19.160 Things that can just sit on a shelf, but things that sit on a shelf forever, those are the things that are the easiest to profit from because you don't have to worry about storage.

01:18:27.840 You don't have to worry about refrigeration when you're processing or when you're moving them and transporting them.

01:18:32.740 You know, just education is the most important thing because there's a lot of people that don't know how much their diet impacts them.

01:18:40.380 And then there's also the problems that happen in this country where the sugar industry literally bribed scientists to pass the blame on saturated fat and pretend that this was the cause of all these heart issues that people were having and all the obesity, that it was just fat.

01:18:55.720 So then people started eating all these seed oil rich foods like mayonnaise or excuse me, like margarine and, you know, corn oil and canola oil, all this.

01:19:06.240 When it's better just to have tallow or butter.

01:19:08.020 yes it's like natural food your body knows what to do with it and beef is like a superfood a nice

01:19:14.280 fatty piece of beef best thing you can eat it's so good for you you've got iron you've got fat

01:19:20.060 you've got protein and creatine it's all packed in that one superfood it is and people there's a

01:19:26.280 lot of people that live very healthily off a carnivore diet and that astounds people they

01:19:30.680 don't understand it because they've been pushed into this idea well one of the things they did

01:19:34.940 in America that's great is they reverse the food pyramid.

01:19:37.440 Our food pyramid was all grains at the bottom,

01:19:40.200 was all wheat and grains, which is,

01:19:42.720 like there's nothing wrong with eating that

01:19:44.640 as long as you're being smart about it,

01:19:46.480 you don't eat too much of it.

01:19:47.560 But if that's your primary diet, like guess what?

01:19:50.680 Your insulin's gonna spike.

01:19:52.060 You're gonna be hungry all the time.

01:19:53.520 You're gonna get fat.

01:19:54.840 This is not good.

01:19:55.940 It's not good to eat that way.

01:19:56.780 When I cut the carbs out and I went basically

01:19:59.240 into ketosis, I felt great.

01:20:02.140 Because instead of having all the ups and downs when my blood sugar was down, when you're

01:20:07.240 in ketosis, you, um, you basically live off your fat stores.

01:20:11.260 Yes.

01:20:11.640 You have like a consistent flow of energy whenever you need it.

01:20:14.780 Cause I've obviously, I've got some here and, and so, uh, I, I feel lighter.

01:20:19.980 I have to sleep less now.

01:20:21.220 I don't have to sleep as much cause I don't, I don't eat the big heavy carbs.

01:20:23.960 I cheat once in a while, but, but the big heavy carbs that your body breaks down, you

01:20:28.280 gotta, you gotta sleep more to work through all those heavy carbs.

01:20:31.060 So you feel it when you eat them. I love carbs. Don't get me wrong. Like I love I'm Italian. I love spaghetti. Right. I love pizza.

01:20:39.100 I love Italian subs. I love them, but I eat them sparingly. Absolutely. When I eat them, I feel it.

01:20:44.260 I feel it like it's amazing while you're eating it. And then you're like, oh, you're hit with a tranquilizer dart.

01:20:50.420 It's just not good. It's not good for you. If I eat a steak, I feel great. If I eat a steak, I don't feel I don't feel in any way tired after I'm done.

01:21:00.360 I don't feel exhausted, like completely full.

01:21:03.480 Also, they have a high satiety rate.

01:21:05.540 Like, if you eat just steak,

01:21:07.800 you're only gonna eat what you need.

01:21:09.620 Like, your body knows when to stop.

01:21:12.280 But if there's mashed potatoes next to the steak

01:21:14.400 and spaghetti next to the steak

01:21:15.800 and bread and all these other things,

01:21:17.460 you're just gonna keep eating.

01:21:18.640 And then cake and butter and ice,

01:21:20.560 well, not butter, but like cake and ice cream

01:21:23.280 and all this other, you're gonna keep eating.

01:21:24.940 And you're gonna consume excess calories.

01:21:27.060 But beef is really expensive now.

01:21:28.900 Like, it's really hard to put a steak on your plate.

01:21:31.740 For the average guy, it's insane.

01:21:33.960 It's twice as expensive as a pork in Canada right now.

01:21:36.640 Well, there's also this dumb narrative that cows are responsible for climate change, which is just absolutely insane.

01:21:43.560 And whoever started promoting that needs to go to jail because you've done a terrible disservice to people, especially regenerative farming that actually sequesters carbon.

01:21:54.280 Absolutely.

01:21:54.880 And it's healthy for you.

01:21:56.620 No, the farming, the ranchers in my area are fantastic.

01:22:00.520 They produce an incredible product.

01:22:01.980 We've got this, North America has the smallest cattle herd since 1951 this year.

01:22:07.160 That's nuts.

01:22:07.760 Very small herd, and that's why it's so hard to get beef.

01:22:10.380 Why is that?

01:22:11.760 I think there's been a demand spike in the last couple of years.

01:22:16.980 Beef prices were low for long, so a lot of ranchers got out of it.

01:22:20.340 I just said, we can't, I can't stay in this business losing money every year.

01:22:23.260 And then all of a sudden prices started to go up and, uh, and moods have changed a lot

01:22:29.520 on beef even in the last three, four years.

01:22:31.920 So now they're trying to keep up with the demand, but, um, I'm like, I'm happy to see

01:22:36.600 the ranchers doing well, but I'd sure like to see middle-class families to be able to

01:22:41.800 afford to have beef again.

01:22:44.460 Um, but you know, my theory on one of the reasons why the marketing has shifted towards

01:22:48.840 all this processed crap and this goes back to my obsession which is inflation because what instead

01:22:54.840 of just raising the prices they downgrade the quality of the food they strip out the nutrients

01:23:00.760 and they inject garbage into our food uh the the companies do that is ultimately less nutritious

01:23:08.940 but the price tag doesn't necessarily look like it's changing so it's one of the more insidious

01:23:14.420 ways that the system is able to charge you to pass inflationary costs on without you

01:23:20.920 seeing it in the price tag that's underneath the product.

01:23:24.860 They also engineer food to be compulsive, like you're more compulsively than overeat.

01:23:29.000 Is that right?

01:23:30.000 Yeah, sure.

01:23:31.000 Especially like chips and stuff like that in America.

01:23:32.920 What country do you think does nutrition the best around the world?

01:23:36.620 Well, that's a good question.

01:23:38.640 Well, Japan has one of the lowest obesity rates, right?

01:23:42.540 when you look at japanese food like what is it it's like fish and rice and vegetables and it's

01:23:48.460 it's they don't use glyphosate i don't think i think i think the way they process their wheat

01:23:54.220 is very different than ours you know we have uh higher glycea we we have higher gluten in our

01:24:00.860 wheat because of like we have more complex glutens in our wheat so we have higher yield

01:24:05.980 and then on top of that they dry all the wheat out with glyphosate at the end which is

01:24:09.740 fucking terrible for you. And they were trying to ban that in America, but then Trump passed an

01:24:17.460 executive order stopping it. So this is one of the things that Kennedy kind of ran on is that he

01:24:23.340 wanted to stop the ubiquitous use of glyphosate. And especially glyphosate used with wheat to dry

01:24:32.560 it out. So it's not used as an herbicide. It's used to dry out the wheat at the end so that it

01:24:39.040 doesn't get moldy, which is crazy. You're spraying poison on wheat. And most Americans, if you test

01:24:47.320 them, have glyphosate in their blood. You know, and the apologist will say, oh, but it's at safe

01:24:52.060 levels. Well, we don't even really know what that means. You know, we're talking about decades and

01:24:55.900 decades of consuming this stuff. That can't be good. I mean, it literally kills plants. It destroys

01:25:02.880 gut bacteria. It can't be good. It would be better. When you eat overseas, like if I eat pasta

01:25:08.540 or bread in Italy, you feel better.

01:25:12.320 It doesn't kill you like it does in America.

01:25:14.360 It doesn't, like, ugh.

01:25:15.520 You don't get that same feeling.

01:25:17.360 Interesting.

01:25:18.020 I don't want to think about glyphosate.

01:25:20.380 But one of the things I have...

01:25:21.940 Do you guys use glyphosate in Canada?

01:25:23.800 I don't know.

01:25:23.820 I don't want to think about it.

01:25:25.260 I feel bad saying that, but I should do my homework on that one.

01:25:28.520 Well, we have corn that's engineered to survive glyphosate.

01:25:31.480 We have Roundup Ready corn.

01:25:33.640 So that you could spray glyphosate on the corn

01:25:36.440 that kills all the other things that you don't want growing okay but how is that how can that

01:25:41.960 be good like most america like they they did a test of uh california wines and what was the number

01:25:50.760 it was like some preposterous number of california wines tested positive for glyphosate like in the

01:25:57.240 high 90s i think okay which is just nuts yeah i don't know anything about glyphosate i have to

01:26:02.760 admit. You've piqued my curiosity. The problem is in America, our food system is entirely dependent

01:26:11.900 on it at this point. They want to change it. And so there's a lot of strategies. One of them is

01:26:16.660 they have these machines that use lasers and these lasers go over a field that actually target the

01:26:23.980 weeds. So instead of spraying poison on them, they just zap these weeds and they can identify the

01:26:29.580 difference between the weed and the crop really yeah that's incredible yeah the wine was 10 out

01:26:34.040 of 10 tested but 10 out of 10 i was looking at the japanese obesity thing they have an interesting

01:26:38.880 law that they put in place in 2008 where i believe it says workplaces have to measure

01:26:44.680 people's waists of adults over 40 to find out if they're potentially overweight wow those people

01:26:52.080 don't get fined the companies get fined so they have to then provide them counseling diet advice

01:26:56.820 exercise guidance, et cetera.

01:26:59.060 Wow.

01:26:59.560 And they also use a lower BMI than we do.

01:27:02.180 It starts at 25.

01:27:04.060 It says it's because they have a higher risk in Asian populations for obesity.

01:27:11.280 Interesting.

01:27:12.120 I wonder why that is.

01:27:14.480 I wonder if that's because of a lot of rice consumption.

01:27:16.900 Way lower, 4 to 6% compared to 42%.

01:27:21.160 Wow, that's crazy.

01:27:23.200 Their obesity rates are 4 to 6%.

01:27:26.160 and we're 42 42 is nuts 42 is so crazy to find out what the japanese are doing my next stop has

01:27:35.000 got to be tokyo yeah well they eat healthy food you know and that but that does make sense i mean

01:27:40.240 implementing something like that it sounds very restrictive you know i mean i don't want to tell

01:27:44.560 a guy he can't have a gut like i have a lot of friends that are fat and i love them to death

01:27:49.020 i'd like them to be healthy but i wouldn't you know i don't believe you should have that kind

01:27:55.480 control over people no I think you should encourage healthy behavior I

01:27:59.500 don't think you should mandate it yeah we need we need carrots not sticks yeah

01:28:03.280 carrots literally literally the system is like you know I think of the opioid

01:28:10.060 thing that's an incredible story really that's a horrible story that's a

01:28:13.960 horrible story and you know the fact that no one's going to jail for that is

01:28:18.220 infuriating what they did and what the the deception that they use to pretend

01:28:25.180 that that stuff is not addictive that it's not the same as heroin is just

01:28:29.540 absolutely atrocious and the fact that they got away with it and that the

01:28:33.740 Sackler family just that one family I don't know if you ever seen the Netflix

01:28:37.600 docudrama series yeah painkill or was it was it called painkiller they're the

01:28:43.600 guys from Purdue right Purdue Pharma yeah I think they were Purdue Pharma yeah

01:28:47.920 I'm not mistaken I mean how many lives were destroyed by that well a half a

01:28:53.680 million ended in the u.s yeah at least 50 000 in canada we lost we lost more people in the last

01:29:01.080 10 years to opioid overdoses than we lost fighting in the second world war and god that's so crazy

01:29:07.760 and we you know these companies i mean it started in the states with purdue and uh a number of

01:29:14.640 others where they basically started lying to the system and paying they actually paid bonuses

01:29:19.860 to distributors for every overdose they caused.

01:29:23.500 They actually tracked the overdoses

01:29:25.480 and then paid bonuses to distributors

01:29:28.500 because that was an indicator of how successfully

01:29:30.860 they were pushing the drugs onto doctors

01:29:34.600 and pharmacists and the system.

01:29:36.440 No way.

01:29:37.260 It all came out in the court

01:29:38.320 because there was a huge lawsuit

01:29:39.740 and the companies had to pay $50 billion

01:29:42.560 because of an American government lawsuit against them,

01:29:46.300 but they actually paid bonuses for overdose rates.

01:29:49.860 That is insane.

01:29:51.780 It's wild.

01:29:53.100 And they basically, they were very, very strategic.

01:29:56.160 They said, we're going to go to working class neighborhoods where there's huge unemployment.

01:30:01.380 So, you know, in the Rust Belt of America, where people were out of work and they obviously had some minor industrial injuries and said, you know, this will solve every ache and pain.

01:30:10.800 Take OxyContin.

01:30:12.380 And it felt great when they first started taking it.

01:30:14.860 And then it spread into Canada as well.

01:30:16.820 and then it mutated in from oxycontin into fentanyl which is a hundred times more powerful

01:30:22.640 than heroin it can stop your your lungs in 15 seconds just absolutely deadly and uh we you

01:30:31.240 know these companies these dirtbag companies should be paying hundreds of billions of dollars

01:30:36.300 to cover the treatment and recovery of the people whose lives have been ruined by this well it's

01:30:41.540 just insane that they only had to pay a percentage of the amount of money that they profited it is

01:30:48.920 insane they should have gone to jail they should have they should have had to pay first of all give

01:30:53.000 all the money back yeah i mean what you did was unbelievably evil absolutely and you were allowed

01:31:00.180 to profit from it which is crazy for years even the sackler family the amount that they got fined

01:31:05.460 was a small percentage of what they actually made i don't know how people live with themselves when

01:31:10.140 they do that. They're sociopaths. They have to be. They basically got into the entire system,

01:31:15.120 the healthcare system, the medical community, and they pushed these over prescriptions.

01:31:21.180 And then they got this crazy idea that they pushed in places like Portland and Seattle and San

01:31:26.700 Francisco, that the government should start giving out opioids that are safer than the ones that are

01:31:31.580 on the street as an alternative to keep people from having contaminated drugs, which made the

01:31:36.820 problem even worse because those, the, the, the addicts would sell those to kids so that they

01:31:41.760 could buy the harder stuff off the street and it expanded it even more. And, um, so one of the

01:31:47.760 things we're focused on, my plan is, is massive treatment to recovery programs to get people off

01:31:53.340 drugs. Abstinence-based treatment is incredible. Like it's very successful and, uh, we're saving

01:31:59.040 lives now in Canada. You get them in, you get them counseling, group therapy, treatment, uh,

01:32:03.980 sweat lodges for first nations uh people's um physical exercise is a big part of it i went to

01:32:10.760 one treatment center in saskatchewan and they actually bought these rusted out weights and

01:32:15.220 they had the guys like lifting weights and the bureaucrats are saying well why are you spending

01:32:18.480 money on weights what does that have to do with it he says what's been the best thing we had

01:32:21.800 these guys started to see their biceps grow and they're like i want to look like this and if i

01:32:26.100 take drugs i'm not going to look like this so it was one of the best things they did

01:32:29.400 um then you get them into jobs and treatment and uh there's one guy that uh i met in bc

01:32:35.760 he he was going to kill himself he drove his car into a brick wall because he was so ruined by his

01:32:41.600 addiction but he didn't die he couldn't he didn't pull it off so he actually went into treatment

01:32:46.740 turned his life around started a business he's got six employees and now he's going out on the

01:32:51.540 street and like helping you know pulling guys off the street and bringing them in and saving their

01:32:55.620 lives. So it's actually a really hopeful ending to the story, if we can get to shift all our

01:33:00.660 resources over to treatment and recovery services, which is one of my big objectives.

01:33:04.520 Are you aware of Ibogaine?

01:33:06.680 No.

01:33:07.460 So former Republican governor of Texas, Rick Perry, is involved in this Ibogaine initiative

01:33:13.540 here in Texas. And one of the things that they found, you know, he works very closely with

01:33:18.180 veterans. And, you know, obviously a lot of these guys, they come back from the war, they have

01:33:23.580 PTSD. They have a lot of pain. They get addicted to pills. And then they have an incredibly

01:33:29.960 difficult time getting off of it. And there's a treatment called Ibogaine. And Ibogaine comes

01:33:36.820 from the aboga tree. It's like a natural psychedelic that has no recreational use

01:33:44.340 whatsoever. It's not fun. And it's apparently a brutal 24-hour experience, but it rewires the

01:33:51.720 brain stops the pathways of addiction and just one Ibogaine treatment one

01:33:57.100 session the amount of people that never go back to using those drugs is in the

01:34:03.900 80% really when they do two sessions it's in the 90s Wow it's incredible so

01:34:09.960 they're implementing it here and Rick Perry who was like a staunch anti-drug

01:34:15.360 hardline Republican guy great guy but realized from talking to these

01:34:20.880 veterans, maybe you have to have an open mind and look at this. We have this blanket term that we

01:34:26.780 use for drugs. And we say, oh, Ibogaine's a drug. You don't want to take drugs. But this psychedelic,

01:34:32.880 this Ibogaine, apparently it's like a 24-hour review of your life that in some way, some chemical

01:34:43.140 way, rewires your system and stops the pathways of addiction. It's like a factory reset. Yes.

01:34:49.500 Wow. Yes. That's crazy. And so they're starting to implement it here in Texas and they're going to use it for veterans.

01:34:55.700 So have they studied this or have they done like a, and they've done, is it approved like as a treatment or what?

01:34:59.600 Well, it's being approved here in Texas and they're trying to do it in other places.

01:35:03.400 And I know a friend of mine, my friend Ed Clay, he started a center down in Mexico.

01:35:08.680 And the reason why he did it was because he got hooked on pills. He hurt his back. He got hooked on pills.

01:35:13.340 He had to figure out how to get off of it. And he did one Ibogaine session, got clean.

01:35:18.000 Really?

01:35:18.360 And was like, I need to educate people and help people with this.

01:35:22.420 Let me start this system.

01:35:24.440 And, you know, and it's very successful.

01:35:26.860 I know multiple people that have done it and especially veterans that have done it and

01:35:32.060 had profound changes in their life because of this.

01:35:35.340 Yeah.

01:35:35.780 And again, there's no recreational use for this.

01:35:38.640 There's no chance of abusing it.

01:35:40.300 Okay.

01:35:40.700 It's not fun.

01:35:41.880 Like to get people to do it twice is very hard.

01:35:44.540 Okay.

01:35:44.940 But even doing it once.

01:35:46.260 But if you do it, it's incredibly effective, much more effective than any other form of therapy.

01:35:52.420 Really?

01:35:52.920 Yes.

01:35:53.260 Okay.

01:35:53.760 Well, I'll have to look out for that one because we need it.

01:35:55.660 We still have a challenge up in Canada.

01:35:57.380 I can connect you with Rick Perry.

01:35:59.240 Okay.

01:35:59.680 And he's, him and Brian Hubbard are incredible with their advocacy and the promotion of this.

01:36:07.580 What they've done is really amazing.

01:36:09.220 Yeah, we got to get people off these drugs.

01:36:11.740 And, uh, you know, we're, we're doing, we're making some good progress in Canada.

01:36:15.860 Um, our biggest challenges are, are just the long-term aftermath of the opioid, uh, problem

01:36:21.760 like you have had down here, but, um, but like, I think, uh, I think we can overcome

01:36:26.840 it and, uh, we have to try some new things in order to get people off these things.

01:36:31.300 Cause they're, cause it's, when you're doing fentanyl, it's, it's Russian roulette.

01:36:34.840 It could be, you might not have more than a day to live if you're still taking that

01:36:38.700 stuff.

01:36:39.220 So it's so dangerous and it's in everything.

01:36:41.180 It's in so many different street versions of pills that people think are safe, like Xanax.

01:36:49.180 There's, like, illegal Xanax, like street Xanax, and there's fentanyl in them.

01:36:53.340 People take it and they die.

01:36:54.700 Right, absolutely.

01:36:55.560 I've met so many mothers.

01:36:56.780 They just come up to me at my rallies and things, and they tell me the story, and they show me a picture.

01:37:00.660 And you say, man, it's a beautiful child.

01:37:02.180 That child looks healthy and smart, and she went to a party, and they were handing the shit out.

01:37:07.500 and there's a high school kid here in town that took a street adderall and had fentanyl in it and

01:37:13.260 he died is that right yeah somebody sold him what he thought was adderall look that's what killed

01:37:17.900 prince that's what killed tom petty adderall no no fentanyl they got street drugs from someone

01:37:25.340 like they're both in pain and they they become addicted to the pills and then they got like a

01:37:30.620 pill from a roadie i didn't know that took it and died i didn't know that petty did he sing uh last

01:37:35.900 Last Dance with Mary Jane.

01:37:37.200 Last Dance for Mary Jane.

01:37:38.340 Right.

01:37:38.800 That's really sad.

01:37:39.920 Oh, he sung a bunch of amazing songs.

01:37:42.060 American Girl.

01:37:42.780 I mean, Tom Petty was a legend and died because of fentanyl.

01:37:46.020 Prince is one of the great musical genius of human history.

01:37:50.160 And fentanyl got him, too.

01:37:51.180 Died from fentanyl.

01:37:52.140 Unbelievable.

01:37:52.720 He had hip pain.

01:37:53.520 He needed a hip replacement.

01:37:55.060 His hip was blown out, and he was in agony all the time.

01:37:57.580 So he started taking pills, and then next thing you know, you're hooked.

01:38:01.240 I mean, I've had family members that got hooked on it.

01:38:03.680 Is that right?

01:38:04.280 Yeah.

01:38:04.420 Did they get through it?

01:38:05.140 Well, one of them didn't. Yeah. I mean, he hurt his back doing construction and started

01:38:11.360 taking pills and now he's a waste. That's the sad thing. That's the sad thing is it's

01:38:15.960 they're good people and they're not lawbreaking people. Often it's folks who work in physically

01:38:21.660 demanding jobs. They get an injury and it's easy to judge, but when you're in excruciating

01:38:27.520 pain and you find something that makes it go away, it's understandable.

01:38:32.260 Also, if you're not educated in these subjects and you just trust the doctor, you go to a doctor and the doctor says you need pain medication, and then all of a sudden you're on it.

01:38:43.040 It's easy to see how people get locked into that, and then they can't break loose.

01:38:48.120 Well, the pathway to physical addiction, it's so well known and studied.

01:38:52.180 It's very, very addictive, which is why it's so horrific that they actually promoted the fact that these things are not addictive when they were promoting them.

01:39:00.520 They knew exactly what they were doing.

01:39:02.260 They were absolute crooks, and I'm hoping we get big settlements out of them the way you did down here,

01:39:06.880 and I want to put all that money into treatment and recovery, get people off these drugs, and rescue them.

01:39:12.200 I think we can save these lives.

01:39:14.120 Treatment, it works.

01:39:15.260 It's tough.

01:39:16.240 Like, the people who go through it, they say, it was the worst experience of my life to go through that withdrawal,

01:39:22.020 but it can be done, and you come out stronger on the other side.

01:39:25.040 It can be done, and I think the most important thing is prevention and education

01:39:29.100 and letting kids know like hey this is not what you want to get involved with you want to have a

01:39:34.780 happy successful life this is going to stop that this is going to keep you from having this might

01:39:39.720 kill you and it's definitely going to ruin you yeah but you're right about fitness though because

01:39:43.560 when I was young I hung around with a lot of people who got into a lot of trouble and I could

01:39:48.140 have ended up there the reason I didn't frankly is sports so I had something else to drive me

01:39:53.640 so it's one of the reasons why we need to get our young people's active in sporting activities when

01:39:57.840 they're in that age group because if you're not giving them an outlet then they'll end up down

01:40:02.120 that scary path oh 100 and also you realize that if you want to be effective in sports like you

01:40:07.340 can't party exactly it's like it'll rob you of your vitality exactly of your performance no i

01:40:13.240 when i played hockey and i i showed up a few times hungover and i was just shit like it was terrible

01:40:18.040 but uh you learn pretty quick that you got to be on your game so we've got to promote more of the

01:40:22.860 fitness at the youth level as well. And is that happening here? It's funny. I remember when I

01:40:28.720 came down here as a 16 year old, I haven't been here in 30 years. We got into town and the people

01:40:37.840 who were hosting us were driving us to their home and we saw the stadium and there's like 20,000

01:40:43.060 people and it was in Houston. And I said, is that the Cowboys playing? And they said, no, no, that's

01:40:48.320 that's a high school league it's like okay in canada we don't have high school leagues with

01:40:53.480 20 000 people coming out but um but the sports are so massive here oh football is gigantic here

01:41:00.580 it's a religion yeah it's incredible crazy and who do you cheer for by the way in in texas yeah

01:41:06.860 for you personally well i i've got into ut football okay i really love uh going to the ut games it's

01:41:13.740 uh it's so fun and it's so they're so enthusiastic and they're they just love it it's like when

01:41:21.220 you're a part of it when the touchdowns get scored and everybody's cheering it's like it's it's so

01:41:25.820 contagious right it's really amazing and it's just like the enthusiasm they have for it it's like

01:41:30.740 you're like wow like this is a great these people love this here yeah but i've been to high school

01:41:36.080 football games and it's the same thing like packed stadiums for high school football games and you're

01:41:40.540 like this is nuts man these people love their sports we're like that for hockey in canada oh

01:41:44.960 yeah serious serious like parents are very fixated and i think i think it's actually a good thing

01:41:50.240 some people say oh it's terrible i think it's great to have parents that are competitive because

01:41:54.080 they're pushing their kids to be better and more excellent and even if they don't end up as nhl

01:41:57.460 hockey players it gives them that can spend competitive ed and i want us to be a more

01:42:01.740 competitive society well when i was a kid i worked at the boston athletic club um and uh one of the

01:42:09.780 people that i i was a fitness instructor when i was 19 and one of the people that i worked with

01:42:14.340 was bobby orr oh really yeah bobby orr used to come there and train and we used to have to help

01:42:18.740 him get on the versaclimber machine because his body was so wrecked really he had so many surgeries

01:42:24.820 his knees were so destroyed he had scars all up and down his knee because he had knee surgery back

01:42:32.100 when they were just experimenting you know they didn't really know how to fix knees they just

01:42:36.340 cut you open screw things back together again and then it would blow apart again and then you'd wind

01:42:41.220 up having another surgery so he had many many knee surgeries and he could barely walk but he

01:42:46.900 was still doing some kind of physical activity yeah he was playing racquetball he was how old

01:42:51.220 was he at the time this was 1986 so i mean geez that's like what 40 years ago uh-huh yeah so he

01:43:02.500 was you know he was probably in his 50s 40s or 50s he was but he's he could barely walk i mean he

01:43:10.920 his knees didn't straighten out really they were they were always like slightly bent and they only

01:43:16.060 bent that much his range of motion was very small so you had to help him get on machines but the

01:43:22.320 nicest guy right a legend like you couldn't believe he was really there like he would walk

01:43:26.980 into the the gym and you're like oh my god really yeah as i was 19 i never met a famous person

01:43:31.340 And I was like, that's Bobby Orr?

01:43:33.000 Absolutely.

01:43:33.880 This is nuts.

01:43:34.780 But it also made me realize, like, boy, knee surgery is no joke.

01:43:38.560 Like, this guy was, like, an incredible athlete, and now he can't even straighten his leg out.

01:43:43.940 Yeah, it's all temporary.

01:43:45.240 You've got to take care of yourself.

01:43:46.500 Yes.

01:43:47.160 Do you have, like, residual injuries from fighting back in the day?

01:43:52.600 Oh, yeah.

01:43:53.040 Yeah, I've had three knee surgeries, two reconstructions, two ACL.

01:43:56.080 Was that from Taekwondo?

01:43:57.460 Mm-hmm.

01:43:58.020 Yeah, and Jiu-Jitsu.

01:43:59.140 One of my ACL injuries was from jiu-jitsu.

01:44:02.340 And what injuries are the most common in jiu-jitsu?

01:44:06.240 Knees, backs, necks, shoulders.

01:44:09.640 Those are the big ones.

01:44:10.480 Elbows.

01:44:11.160 Is that because of the arm bars and all that stuff?

01:44:14.180 Yeah.

01:44:14.680 Not tapping.

01:44:15.720 That's a big one.

01:44:16.660 A lot of guys get hurt just because of their ego, because they don't want to tap.

01:44:19.840 And you don't strike me as the type of guy who taps very quickly.

01:44:23.320 Well, when I was younger, I was really stupid, and I wasn't into tapping.

01:44:26.940 Right.

01:44:27.160 but uh as i got older i got a lot smart unfortunately i got a lot better so i wasn't

01:44:34.040 like in a situation where i had to tap a lot right if i did i did i just tapped and that's

01:44:38.580 the smart thing to do and i would tell people treat it like you're playing basketball don't

01:44:42.980 treat it like it's your life or death the game is life or death the game is if a guy gets you in an

01:44:48.460 arm bar he's essentially breaking your arm if he breaks your arm he can kill you right that's the

01:44:52.780 game, but don't treat it like that. Treat it like you can tap and keep going or you can not tap and

01:44:59.700 your arm's going to be destroyed maybe for the rest of your life. Right. And I've seen that

01:45:03.680 happen with people where their forearm snaps and they have to have plates in it and then it's a

01:45:08.020 chronic injury for the rest of their life. Right. Yeah. No, I can imagine that. And what about in

01:45:12.760 Taekwondo? Like you told the story once about how you really clocked a guy. I think it was a real

01:45:17.980 kick or something and that like freaked you out that changed my whole outlook on fighting because

01:45:23.580 i realized that could happen to me and i had knocked people out before but i'd never knocked

01:45:28.400 anybody out where they didn't get up like usually they get up and they're wobbly and you know they

01:45:33.460 get sat down and you know medics take care of them and you know after a while they're walking around

01:45:38.920 and this guy never got up and i never really got over that i never had the same um lust for hurting

01:45:47.200 people because it was just i was young you know i was 19 and when you're 19 you think you're

01:45:52.640 invincible or you don't you don't think about the consequence i knew i could get hurt i've been hurt

01:45:57.600 before i've been kicked really hard and punched really hard before i knew i was vulnerable but i

01:46:02.880 didn't think there was going to be anything permanent did the guy ever get out of the hospital

01:46:07.440 i don't know really i don't know what happened to him well maybe i don't know what happened

01:46:11.440 to him maybe he'll hear this show and give you a call and say that he's all right oh no no he

01:46:14.800 He probably don't want to talk to me.

01:46:16.620 Well, your spinning back kick is incredible.

01:46:19.140 I saw you and GSP doing that video where you were showing him how to do the back kick.

01:46:24.000 Yeah.

01:46:24.480 Did he ever use that in a fight?

01:46:25.780 Yeah, he did.

01:46:26.460 Yeah, he did.

01:46:27.080 He landed it?

01:46:27.840 Yeah, he used it a lot.

01:46:28.960 It's a thing that, like, you have to almost grow up doing it.

01:46:34.100 Right.

01:46:34.780 You know, unless you're dealing, like, John Jones developed it later in his career.

01:46:38.760 I saw that.

01:46:39.780 He's a wizard.

01:46:40.320 But he kind of, like, started implementing it, like, sort of two-thirds through his career.

01:46:44.920 Did you teach him how to do that?

01:46:45.880 No, no, I did not.

01:46:46.880 He worked with a type with no coach in Albuquerque.

01:46:49.000 Okay.

01:46:49.500 And he just really worked on that one technique, specifically when he went up to heavyweight,

01:46:54.400 because the guys would be, first of all, less agile and mobile, and also it was the kind

01:46:58.580 of technique where you could stop a guy with one shot.

01:47:00.860 Right.

01:47:01.280 And when you're a guy who's smaller than most heavyweights, which John is, because he was

01:47:05.140 a light heavyweight, so he was fighting at 205 most of his career, and just as a challenge

01:47:09.860 decided to go up to heavyweight but he's so intelligent he realized like i need a one shot

01:47:15.160 that i could put people away so he spent hours and hours every week just going over the spinning

01:47:21.300 back kick really to the body or the head yeah the body body yeah it's like getting hit by a car

01:47:26.020 right you get out with that like a wheel kick to the head is really difficult to develop that's

01:47:32.640 it's like a fast twitch thing that it's almost like your body has to evolve and grow doing that

01:47:39.760 to really develop the kind of speed that you could pull it off on a skilled opponent in a fight.

01:47:44.520 And the accuracy.

01:47:45.600 Yeah.

01:47:45.780 Like, to try and time that all.

01:47:47.200 That must be incredible.

01:47:48.220 I mean, there's freak athletes that could pick it up later in life.

01:47:51.680 There's some people that are just really good at everything.

01:47:53.320 They just have amazing dexterity and coordination.

01:47:56.380 But for most people, like, I learned it when I was a kid.

01:48:00.660 So, like, my body matured doing those things.

01:48:04.580 Right.

01:48:04.700 My body matured kicking.

01:48:05.820 And it became a part of, like, just my average, like, normal movement of life.

01:48:10.900 Right.

01:48:11.720 That's amazing.

01:48:12.860 And the spinning back kick, though, is it typically a body kick?

01:48:17.960 Yes.

01:48:18.200 You throw that?

01:48:18.920 I've thrown it to the face, too, especially a jump spinning back kick to the face.

01:48:22.660 Wow.

01:48:24.040 Taekwondo, wasn't it really the Koreans that developed so they could actually kick a man off a horse in war?

01:48:30.280 Is that why the kicks are so high?

01:48:31.760 I don't think so.

01:48:32.820 I think it was just because they're smaller in stature,

01:48:35.860 and they realized that you had to have more powerful kicks.

01:48:38.460 Okay.

01:48:39.460 Because your legs are always carrying your body around.

01:48:41.960 There's a lot more mass to your muscles and your legs,

01:48:44.360 and there's a lot more force you can generate with your kicks.

01:48:46.760 Did you ever see the fight between Rick Rufus and that Muay Thai guy?

01:48:51.880 Oh, yeah.

01:48:52.580 Wasn't that incredible?

01:48:53.580 Yeah, that changed kickboxing.

01:48:55.680 We've showed that fight a hundred times on this podcast.

01:48:58.880 It was amazing because it was like Americans versus Thai,

01:49:02.020 and and we didn't really understand leg kicks right because PKA karate and I

01:49:07.920 found this out later because of Benny or Kidas who came in the podcast he told

01:49:11.500 me that the reason why they didn't allow leg kicks in PKA karate was because of

01:49:15.880 Bill Wallace so Bill Superfoot Wallace famously had one leg that he kicked with

01:49:21.460 it was because his other leg he had a bad knee right and he didn't want anybody

01:49:24.820 kicking his legs interest so he promoted this idea that only have above the

01:49:30.220 waist kicks right and that's what we had in america like that's what johnny vaterio fought

01:49:34.640 that's right he did he fought rufus himself actually yes yeah yeah no that that that was

01:49:39.820 incredible because if you looked at the the art form rufus was so much more beautiful to watch

01:49:46.080 than the thai guy he came in he broke the guy's jaw in the first round i think hey he heard him

01:49:51.600 he knocked him down a few times was it once or twice he knocked him down a couple times i believe

01:49:55.760 And the guy just kept chopping his leg and then I think he went out in a stretcher because his leg was busted in like nine places.

01:50:03.120 He didn't know what to do.

01:50:04.200 He didn't understand it.

01:50:05.160 What was really interesting is his brother, Duke, became a Muay Thai world champion after that fight.

01:50:10.240 Was that the guy who was at the fight commenting after the fight?

01:50:14.140 Yes.

01:50:14.460 Yes, I remember that.

01:50:15.360 Where he was saying it doesn't take any skill.

01:50:16.500 There's no skill.

01:50:17.320 Yes, I remember that.

01:50:18.060 Well, he was embarrassed by that later in his life because he became one of the top MMA trainers.

01:50:22.620 Really?

01:50:23.120 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:50:23.380 And he took on Muay Thai?

01:50:24.820 Yes.

01:50:25.220 Well, he became a Muay Thai world champion and he developed Rufus Sport, which is a great gym in Milwaukee, a top gym, developed world champions like Anthony Pettis.

01:50:33.760 So he was, you know, he was a pioneer.

01:50:37.000 It was one of the guys that had to figure it out.

01:50:38.800 And, you know, he spent time in Thailand.

01:50:40.500 They all they all learned it.

01:50:41.520 They had to learn because it was the best place in Thailand to go.

01:50:44.620 Is it Phuket?

01:50:45.340 Is it Bangkok?

01:50:46.480 Like, where do you go?

01:50:47.020 There's so many good places.

01:50:48.180 Thailand's the real motherland of Muay Thai, obviously.

01:50:50.620 And it's like, you know, Phuket's amazing. Bangkok's amazing. I mean, there's so many amazing gyms that are in in Thailand.

01:51:01.100 They're tough. There's whole strips in Phuket. My wife and I were there on vacation once and we just stumbled on this whole street and you could do there was sort of American style boxing.

01:51:11.040 There was a CrossFit type thing.

01:51:13.640 Then there was that Tiger Muay Thai and a bunch of other Muay Thai facilities.

01:51:17.280 And then there's like street vendors that were cooking meals specifically for people who are there training.

01:51:24.640 Like you could buy beautiful hard-boiled eggs and avocado and chicken strips.

01:51:31.220 And this is like high protein just catered to the people who come from around the world to train for like five, six weeks in a clinic.

01:51:37.980 And there's people that do it just recreationally.

01:51:39.880 My friend Mark, he's a businessman.

01:51:42.720 He's in his 60s.

01:51:43.720 And he did it?

01:51:44.380 He went over to Thailand.

01:51:45.420 Did he survive?

01:51:46.180 Yeah.

01:51:46.880 He trained, he spars all the time.

01:51:48.380 I saw him the other day, he had a black eye.

01:51:50.120 He's in his 60s.

01:51:51.220 I'm like, what are you doing, man?

01:51:52.300 So if you were starting from scratch

01:51:53.620 and you wanted to be an MMA,

01:51:55.720 would you do like, you go to Thailand

01:51:58.960 and do like two months there

01:52:01.040 and then go to Dagestan to learn how to wrestle?

01:52:03.140 Would that be the best combo?

01:52:04.640 If you were starting out, if you were a kid,

01:52:06.680 I would say wrestling.

01:52:07.640 Wrestling's number one.

01:52:08.640 that's the most important thing to learn

01:52:10.860 because if a guy can take you down

01:52:12.820 he can do whatever he wants to

01:52:13.940 if he can take you down and hold you down and beat you up

01:52:16.600 if you don't know how to wrestle you can't fight

01:52:18.860 you need at least to learn

01:52:20.900 wrestling just to understand wrestling

01:52:22.400 take down defense

01:52:23.400 you did jujitsu later in life didn't you

01:52:26.520 yes

01:52:26.940 I didn't start jujitsu until I was 29 I think

01:52:30.220 and who do you like right now

01:52:32.960 who do you think is the most interesting fighter

01:52:34.560 to watch these days

01:52:35.520 oh there's so many

01:52:36.500 It's impossible to say the most interesting.

01:52:39.160 There's a guy from Spain, Ilya Tapuria.

01:52:42.240 Yeah, I really like Tapuria.

01:52:44.000 He's what David Goggins calls uncommon amongst uncommon men.

01:52:50.380 Want some more coffee?

01:52:50.980 No, no, thank you.

01:52:51.580 I'm good.

01:52:51.960 Thank you.

01:52:52.780 He's a freak.

01:52:53.980 I mean, he's just incredibly talented.

01:52:57.520 Weirdly talented.

01:52:58.540 Like his last three fights, he knocked out three all-time greats.

01:53:02.440 Holloway?

01:53:03.000 Yeah, Holloway, Alexander, and Charles Oliveira.

01:53:13.260 So that's crazy.

01:53:14.740 Volkanovsky, who's like one of the greatest featherweights of all time, knocked him out.

01:53:18.680 Knocked out Max Holloway, another one of the greatest featherweights of all time.

01:53:22.380 Right.

01:53:22.620 And then Charles Oliveira, one of the greatest lightweights of all time.

01:53:24.900 He knocks out three guys in three fights.

01:53:27.500 There's no one has a resume like that.

01:53:28.560 And he's not like, as I understand, he was a Greco-Roman guy.

01:53:32.140 Right, initially.

01:53:33.000 became a boxer later on he's just how do you describe how do you describe like so i'm not

01:53:41.160 i'm not knowledgeable in this area but the way he he almost looks like he has a philly shell

01:53:46.120 is that a philly shell what he does with a little bit of that well he has amazing defense it's just

01:53:50.760 amazing awareness and he pattern recognition technique it's he's like he's a combination

01:53:59.320 of all things right incredible confidence incredible intelligence insane discipline work ethic but just

01:54:06.760 great training methods like he does everything right and then insane confidence like his confidence

01:54:12.840 is insane he when he fought charles olivera for the lightweight title he celebrated his victory

01:54:19.080 the night before he had a party to celebrate the night before the fight and then went out and knocked

01:54:24.360 charles out in the first round and said he was going to knock trials out in the first round

01:54:27.560 that's incredible one punch boom but you know what impresses me most about him is how he got

01:54:32.760 up after that kick to the head he took that was incredible yeah and you know who else did that

01:54:37.240 was gsp remember when gsp took that and he went down but he recovered quickly and he was talking

01:54:43.940 to me about how because i said to him like in politics you get hit you get hit right and not

01:54:48.900 not physically if you're lucky but but you have to be able to get up quickly and react to it

01:54:53.460 I asked him, how did you do it?

01:54:55.060 How did you, like, how does your brain go from taking that kind of hit to getting back in the fight and turning it around?

01:55:01.640 And he said he, like, gets two very deep breaths through the nose and then out through the mouth and get some oxygen back into your system and focus your mind.

01:55:09.500 I thought that was an incredible lesson.

01:55:11.400 Well, I mean, it's all in how you get kicked.

01:55:14.640 Because you could just get knocked out.

01:55:16.580 And then it's over.

01:55:17.420 There's nothing you could do.

01:55:18.480 If you get shut off, you get shut off.

01:55:20.220 Right.

01:55:20.640 And certain people get shut off.

01:55:21.960 It just you just get kicked. You get kicked and it kind of glances off of you or you can get kicked and it just slams right into the side of your neck and the lights go dark.

01:55:31.640 Right. But if you're if you're still able to recover and think quickly, it's incredible to have that kind of pre-programming to read you for a moment like that.

01:55:41.900 Well, I mean, that's a big part of his what I was talking about, the the camp that he comes from.

01:55:47.980 I mean, Farah Sahabi is, like, one of the most intelligent and one of the most brilliant trainers in the sport.

01:55:53.700 Who's this?

01:55:54.260 Farah Sahabi.

01:55:55.080 He's the guy from Montreal, TriStar.

01:55:57.120 So he's the guy who trains his—

01:55:58.460 Yes.

01:55:59.180 Trains GSP.

01:56:00.240 Oh, GSP.

01:56:00.900 Okay.

01:56:01.220 Yes.

01:56:01.440 Okay.

01:56:01.760 And, I mean, I think that is—that's a big part of why GSP was able to recover.

01:56:06.660 Like, they prepare for everything.

01:56:08.260 Right.

01:56:08.920 You know, it's like there's nothing left to chance.

01:56:11.180 Like, he hires people to try to knock George out in training.

01:56:15.480 That was one of the things he did.

01:56:16.440 He would give them more money if they could knock him out.

01:56:18.920 So he would be fully prepared when he was fighting.

01:56:23.500 They leave no stone uncovered.

01:56:25.780 Don't you have to budget, though, the number of headshots you take?

01:56:29.160 Yeah, 100%, but he was pretty confident that George...

01:56:31.160 I mean, it wasn't like he was doing this with a beginner.

01:56:33.200 He was doing this with a world champion, one of the greatest of all time.

01:56:37.320 He wanted George to be in danger, so George had to fight like he was going to fight inside the octagon.

01:56:43.560 Right.

01:56:44.060 In danger.

01:56:44.620 because john jones said somewhere that he had like every time he gets hit hard in in camp he's

01:56:51.820 he said like i just that that's part of my brain budget that's been taken away well that's why john

01:56:57.340 so smart he recognized that there's a lot of people that don't think that way john also famously

01:57:03.020 won't take a fight on short notice is that right he wants to be fully prepared for a fighter even a

01:57:07.900 guy like when he fought chael sunnen um they offered him a chael sunnen fight on short notice

01:57:12.860 and he said no like there is not a time on no disrespect to chael he's a great fighter no

01:57:18.460 there's not a time on this life in this earth where chael sonnen is going to beat john jones

01:57:23.340 it's just not going to happen he could have taken that fight on one day's notice and still beat chel

01:57:27.260 sonnen he's that much better than him but he still wouldn't take it he's like no i'm going to be fully

01:57:32.540 100 prepared that's smart though yeah also he hated chael and so he wanted to make sure that

01:57:38.060 there was not a chance that chael could do anything to him that he would have been able to

01:57:41.740 wouldn't have been able to do if he was trained do these guys hate each other sometimes is it

01:57:46.940 but most of them do they respect or is it it depends on the fight it really depends like

01:57:50.780 when ilia tapuria fought um charles olivera he actually apologized to him before the fight he

01:57:57.020 said i'm sorry it has to be you i really like you kind of crazy he's got to be careful but

01:58:05.180 he's hated people too he's hated people he fought too i mean there's some people that just rub you

01:58:08.780 wrong way there's some people their strategies to get inside your head and with you and and

01:58:13.500 for you to fight with emotion well he had been with um conor mcgregor mcgregor he really hated

01:58:18.940 mcgregor he wasn't gonna almost didn't let go when the tap happened oh yeah yeah that was that

01:58:23.740 was something else is connor ever going to come back do you think only connor knows i mean if

01:58:29.180 he's going to he has to do it soon i mean i think he's 30 how old is he now 37.

01:58:34.060 he's jacked now hey yeah well not anymore oh he came back down he was uh on the mexican

01:58:41.800 supplements for a while okay because he was trying to uh recover from his uh leg break

01:58:47.520 right so when he fought dustin poirier i remember that he got on some stuff to try to recover for

01:58:52.680 that i don't know what he got on but clearly it helped he got huge he got super jacked the problem

01:58:57.520 with getting super jacked like that is then you get addicted to what got you super jacked because

01:59:02.180 if you're on steroids you feel like superman you know you you feel like you could just run through

01:59:06.640 walls and then you get off of it and now your endocrine system has to kind of catch up to the

01:59:11.920 fact that you've been giving it exogenous testosterone for all these months and so that

01:59:17.920 takes a long time for you to get back to a normal healthy level so you feel like shit it's hard for

01:59:22.760 these guys to get off of steroids right i can imagine you get addicted to being that's right

01:59:27.180 I've never done it.

01:59:28.880 I don't plan on it.

01:59:29.760 How old is he?

01:59:30.860 37.

01:59:32.420 Almost 38.

01:59:33.260 That's getting up there.

01:59:34.120 Who's the oldest fighter that's ever been in the octagon?

01:59:36.440 Like, who's a serious competitor?

01:59:38.720 Probably Randy Couture.

01:59:39.720 I think Randy won the world title, the world heavyweight title in his 40s.

01:59:45.180 Wow.

01:59:45.980 Yeah.

01:59:47.020 But Randy didn't even start his mixed martial arts career.

01:59:51.480 I think I was there at his first fight in 1997,

01:59:56.280 and i think he was 34 or 35 before he ever had uh an mma fight he was just an elite wrestler who

02:00:05.760 you know made his way into mma because you know there's no real professional outlet for actual

02:00:11.560 amateur wrestling did you ever interact with the gracies because i remember way back in like i

02:00:16.120 remember mma or ufc 2 it was the second one that was when it really kicked because the first one

02:00:20.760 was a little bit strange that big fat guy whose tooth went flying out yeah but number two was

02:00:25.400 the one with shamrock and uh gracie and uh dan severin was he in number two dan severin the

02:00:32.720 wrestler i think he was later it might have been three or four yeah but that was kind of the first

02:00:37.400 generation uh-huh of big names oh hoist gracie changed the world yeah with his he was a slow

02:00:43.340 style though man like you had to have patience to watch him because he'd say he'd just lie on his

02:00:47.420 back and wait wait wait and then well with dan severin he did because he had to catch him in a

02:00:51.720 triangle right he eventually tapped him and no one even understand what was going on like why

02:00:55.740 is he he's got his legs wrapped around him what the hell is going on and then all of a sudden

02:01:00.140 dan severin's tapping out you're like this is crazy so a man who weighed literally a hundred

02:01:04.920 pounds more than him or close to it right on top of him and hoist beat him well dan dan severin

02:01:10.620 didn't appear to have any finishing moves like he's thinking i got you on your back i've pinned

02:01:14.260 you i've won the wrestling match he would kind of give you a little noogies right little sandwiches

02:01:18.120 But then, of course, eventually that anaconda comes in and either chokes you out or takes your arm.

02:01:23.900 Well, no one understood jiu-jitsu until Hoist came around, you know, other than the Brazilians.

02:01:27.900 And he was his dad, wasn't it? His dad that introduced it to the family?

02:01:30.440 His dad and his uncle. So it was Carlos Gracie and Elio Gracie, who were the real founders of Brazilian jiu-jitsu, and then Carlson Gracie.

02:01:40.260 Okay.

02:01:40.740 And those guys were the pioneers, and they were having no-rules fights in the 1930s and 40s.

02:01:46.380 Wow.

02:01:46.980 Yeah.

02:01:47.320 And did they bring it over from Japan?

02:01:50.100 Maeda brought it over from Japan, and they taught the Gracies.

02:01:54.860 And then, you know, Elio Gracie famously had a match with Kimura, who was a Japanese judoka who broke Elio's arm with a Kimura.

02:02:06.400 And that's how that technique, that's why it's called a Kimura.

02:02:10.140 Really?

02:02:10.660 Yeah.

02:02:11.040 In catch wrestling, they call it a double wrist lock.

02:02:13.680 Okay.

02:02:13.980 But we call it a Kimura because Kimura broke Elio Gracie's arm with this.

02:02:19.600 Elio just refused to tap, and it's like, ah!

02:02:22.480 And eventually it snapped his arm.

02:02:24.520 Wow, that's incredible.

02:02:25.520 They're having these long no-rules fights in Brazil long before anybody had any idea what MMA was in America.

02:02:34.320 And then Hoyce's brother, Hickson, who was the best out of all of them.

02:02:38.620 hickson was fighting people when he was 18 and like these big arenas really in brazil yeah

02:02:44.860 unbelievable and then they then i guess dana white brought it in with ufc and no it wasn't dana it

02:02:51.700 was uh there there was another organization before uh zufa owned the ufc and this other organization

02:02:59.120 they started it with hori and gracie so hori and gracie was the guy who founded the ufc okay and

02:03:05.840 And originally they were talking about putting like a moat around the cage and having crocodiles

02:03:10.140 in it.

02:03:11.140 They wanted it to be like completely insane.

02:03:13.920 Because what it was for Horian, Horian's a brilliant man, and what for him, what he

02:03:18.560 wanted was to promote jujitsu, and he's like, this is going to be the best way to open up

02:03:23.420 schools all over the country and to show this art that my father had created.

02:03:28.600 So they had really taken some of the ground techniques of judo and really refined them

02:03:34.640 To a razor-sharp edge and and also one of the things that helped a lot was that Elio was a small man

02:03:40.180 He was only like 145 pounds and so he had to use only technique and leverage

02:03:45.760 He couldn't rely on brute strength and so it was one of the best

02:03:50.840 sort of

02:03:52.520 Advertisements is to have hoist who was also fairly small. He's only 175 pounds

02:03:57.620 Beat all these big giant muscle-bound guys with pure technique because they didn't understand what he was doing and he was like

02:04:03.400 this is going to be brilliant this is going to and it worked i mean the the the name gracie

02:04:08.220 and jujitsu are synonymous it's everywhere now like we even have them in canada where these

02:04:12.500 these schools will have the gracie name and obviously they have no attachment to gracie's

02:04:17.120 uh you're the brazilian gracies but everybody wants to learn the gracie style well they probably

02:04:21.480 do have a like gracie baja which is a huge uh affiliate of gyms they're all over the country

02:04:27.600 okay they're everywhere are they good oh yeah oh yeah oh there's like it's very difficult to have

02:04:33.220 a bad jiu-jitsu gym today.

02:04:35.240 Why is that?

02:04:36.020 Because they're so competitive?

02:04:36.960 It's too competitive.

02:04:37.860 Okay.

02:04:38.120 There's too many good people.

02:04:39.600 There's too many good gyms.

02:04:40.960 Like in Austin alone,

02:04:42.340 Austin alone has like 10 amazing jiu-jitsu schools.

02:04:45.460 Is that right?

02:04:46.120 Oh, yeah.

02:04:46.540 Do you go and roll quite often still?

02:04:48.340 There's a place right up the street,

02:04:49.520 10th Planet Jiu-Jitsu,

02:04:50.480 which is the school that I started with in California.

02:04:52.960 Well, I started with the Machado.

02:04:54.100 Well, I actually started with Hicks and Gracie.

02:04:55.800 I started with Hicks and Gracie,

02:04:58.140 and then I went to Carlson Gracie,

02:04:59.960 and that was just because I didn't know

02:05:02.200 there was any difference in the Gracies. And then Carlson Gracie was closer to my house. I'm like,

02:05:06.060 oh, I'll go to this Gracie place. It's closer. This is when I was a white belt. I didn't know

02:05:08.960 anything. And then when they closed, when that gym closed, then I went to Jean-Jacques Machado's.

02:05:15.300 And so I started training there in 1998. And that was, um, that was in, uh, the Valley in

02:05:20.360 California. Uh, but then, um, one of Jean-Jacques black belts, my best friend, Eddie Bravo,

02:05:26.080 he started 10th Planet Jiu-Jitsu. And then I trained there as well.

02:05:29.620 okay and in canada we see a lot of places where they do muay thai and jiu-jitsu so you get your

02:05:35.740 striking and your grappling all in one 10th planet here has a muay thai program oh is that right so

02:05:40.460 that's a lot of those a lot of those gyms have that and you went to your first as a commentator

02:05:44.340 you did it like for free didn't you no no i i got paid in the early days in the 90s in 1997 but it

02:05:51.960 wasn't much i was losing money but when the ufc was purchased by zufa in 2001 that was when i was

02:05:59.240 on fear factor and i met dana white and i became friends with him and he asked me as a favor to do

02:06:07.020 commentary on this one show that they had ufc 37 and a half it was on fox sports whatever it was

02:06:15.060 the there was a cable channel so it was best damn sports show period had this ufc show and he said

02:06:21.060 would you do me a favor and just do commentary on this one event right and i said okay i'll do it

02:06:25.380 for this one and he's like i want you to do it again and then i was like okay so i i was like

02:06:31.240 i just wanted to do it for fun like for me it's like i like going to the fights and i like going

02:06:35.840 with my friends and having a good time and i did like the first 15 of them for free i just they i

02:06:42.360 knew they were hemorrhaging money and i didn't need any money but you loved it you loved being

02:06:46.040 there he was like a kid in a candy store well also i was very happy to try to promote this thing

02:06:51.340 because for me it was the ultimate expression of martial arts like we need to find out what's the

02:06:56.620 best style right and i'd kind of i had been so engrossed in that world in japan with pride and

02:07:04.160 all these other organizations that they had over there it's like what happens if an alligator

02:07:07.760 fights with a tiger what happens if a lion fights with a bear we've got to match them up and find

02:07:12.340 out well it's humans versus humans so it's just style it's like we needed to know you want to

02:07:18.260 waste your time doing something that didn't work.

02:07:20.520 And there was a lot of people that wasted their time doing stuff that didn't work.

02:07:24.480 And we didn't really know what that was until the UFC came along.

02:07:27.940 And then we're like, oh.

02:07:29.560 And now the evolution of martial arts from 1993 when the UFC started to 2026, in those

02:07:36.780 years, martial arts have evolved more than they have in the last 30,000 years.

02:07:41.820 Right.

02:07:42.380 Well, it's like the gap between theory and practice.

02:07:45.940 Yes.

02:07:46.240 And like Bruce Lee, when he, when he started with Wing Chun, but he said that a lot of it was just ornamental and he called it dry land swimming.

02:07:57.200 It's like, you know, you wouldn't actually do that in a fight.

02:08:00.340 And then he got into a lot of contention with the scholars of the art form.

02:08:06.200 It's a very beautiful art form, Wing Chun, but I don't know if it, I can't imagine it works that well.

02:08:10.980 Well, it is, Wing Chun is effective.

02:08:13.460 There's a lot of techniques in Wing Chun.

02:08:14.220 If you got into a fist fight between a Muay Thai guy and a Wing Chun guy, who would come out on that?

02:08:19.460 The Muay Thai guy.

02:08:20.180 But it doesn't mean that Wing Chun's not effective, and you could use Wing Chun in Muay Thai or in an MMA fight.

02:08:26.520 But you have to know everything.

02:08:27.880 That's the reality of it.

02:08:29.040 It's like Taekwondo.

02:08:30.120 Taekwondo is not effective by itself in an MMA fight.

02:08:33.600 But if you know MMA and you know Taekwondo, then you could do like what Edson Barboza did to Terry Edom and knock him out with a wheel kick in spectacular fashion.

02:08:43.360 Like it's learning all the techniques.

02:08:44.680 Because Jones has like a big blend, right?

02:08:46.380 Yes.

02:08:46.580 Like he has some Muay Thai, some karate, some –

02:08:48.900 Yes.

02:08:49.860 That's what MMA is, mixed martial arts.

02:08:52.680 I mean it's like you take all – and that's Bruce Lee's philosophy, absorb what's useful.

02:08:57.940 Right.

02:08:58.080 I mean he was the real first mixed martial artist and when it was very dangerous to do that.

02:09:02.900 Right.

02:09:03.080 Because people hated him.

02:09:04.420 I mean they would attack him.

02:09:05.640 He would have to have fights with people because they thought that he was disrespecting their art.

02:09:10.880 Right.

02:09:11.140 You know and he combined Western boxing and wrestling. He learned judo from Jean LaBelle. He learned things from everybody

02:09:17.760 He learned karate savate he learned all these different martial arts and was

02:09:22.660 Absorbing what's useful and putting his own so Jeet Kune Do his style was really the first mixed martial arts. Scott Scott

02:09:29.480 Is that right? Yeah, do people use it anymore? Well, yeah, there's Jeet Kune Do schools. Sure. Yeah

02:09:34.200 Yeah, I mean in a lot of what Krav Maga is the Israeli martial art is like kind of a

02:09:40.400 combination of things along the same lines of the way Bruce Lee did it is it

02:09:45.080 is Krav Maga a good effective martial arts system every martial arts system is

02:09:51.260 effective if you have a great instructor okay right but on their own like the

02:09:58.640 best styles are the really strong styles like jujitsu Muay Thai wrestling those

02:10:02.900 are the best Western boxing those are the best styles on their own okay but

02:10:07.100 But what Krav Maga is, is a combination of all those styles.

02:10:11.200 And so if you have a great instructor in Krav Maga, yeah, you'll learn great Muay Thai,

02:10:16.700 you'll learn great Jiu Jitsu, it's essentially mixed martial arts, but with a lot of emphasis

02:10:21.360 on real world applications, street fights, you know, dirty stuff like eye gouging, you

02:10:27.120 know, poking people in the eye, kicking them in the nuts, stuff that works, but that's

02:10:30.900 what you, like, you see it in an MMA fight all the time, a guy gets poked in the eye,

02:10:34.860 It's like, hang on.

02:10:36.020 And he has to stop.

02:10:36.920 Isn't that against the rules?

02:10:38.060 It's against the rules.

02:10:39.540 So this guy's getting punched and kicked.

02:10:41.540 Look, Tom Aspinall, he was in the heavyweight title fight

02:10:45.500 and he got eye poked in the first round.

02:10:47.480 He's had to have two surgeries since then on his eyes

02:10:50.100 and he hasn't been able to fight.

02:10:51.380 They had to stop the fight in the first round

02:10:52.720 from an eye poke.

02:10:53.780 Oh, my God.

02:10:54.620 It's very effective.

02:10:55.520 But in Krav Maga, they're like, go for the eye.

02:10:57.480 Bang.

02:10:57.920 Because in a real world fight for your life scenario,

02:11:01.260 it's a good technique.

02:11:02.140 If you're in a war, it's for the Israeli military, I think.

02:11:04.380 exactly so they have to prepare for you know unusual situations yeah where you're trying to

02:11:09.380 survive in a in a you know a situation where your arm has been your your weapon has been removed and

02:11:14.860 you're and you're just trying to fight for your life exactly well just in your in a situation

02:11:18.580 with hand hand-to-hand combat you need to learn how you need to know every you need if a guy takes

02:11:23.600 you down you can't be lost oh we have to get back up so i can fight no you have to be able to fight

02:11:27.960 on the ground and that's the idea of it like incorporate jiu-jitsu incorporate leg kicks

02:11:32.620 muay thai western boxing even jeet kune do techniques even wing chung techniques really

02:11:38.860 there's a lot of hand trapping and things in wing chung that can be very it looks really cool what

02:11:43.740 they do with that wooden uh that wooden uh dummy uh-huh yeah it looks exactly i've never really got

02:11:51.260 into that but if you do get into that you'll learn blocking techniques and you'll that actually work

02:11:56.220 yeah sure okay but you they'll work if you know the other stuff they won't work if a guy just

02:12:02.220 shoots a double on you and takes you down and starts pounding and you don't know what to do

02:12:05.780 when you're on the bottom right you have to know how to then this is what really mma has taught

02:12:11.520 the world it's like you have to be able to defend yourself everywhere standing up on the ground you

02:12:17.020 have to be effective in all the realms right but still we have a lot of people that are pure

02:12:22.180 specialists that do really well in mixed martial arts because they're so good in one area like

02:12:28.720 Alex Pereira, who was the middleweight champion,

02:12:31.920 light heavyweight champion, and now he's going up to heavyweight

02:12:34.060 and he's going to be fighting at the White House card.

02:12:36.060 Alex Pereira is one of the greatest kickboxers of all time.

02:12:39.280 He's a two-division world champion and kickboxer.

02:12:41.940 But his style is all kickboxing,

02:12:44.500 but he just developed takedown defense.

02:12:46.560 He can do it all.

02:12:47.240 He can do it all.

02:12:48.140 But he doesn't submit anybody.

02:12:49.760 If you're fighting him, you're going to get...

02:12:51.940 It's going to be a stand-up fight.

02:12:53.460 Unless you can take him down,

02:12:54.660 he's not going to try to take you down.

02:12:56.220 He's going to try to fuck you up.

02:12:57.420 He's going to try to knock you into another dimension.

02:12:59.640 Thanks for the warning.

02:13:00.640 I'll try to avoid the guy if I see him on the street.

02:13:03.100 Yeah, he's terrifying.

02:13:03.960 The funniest thing I ever saw was there's this video of John Jones on the street somewhere.

02:13:08.680 And he bumped into, he was talking and he leaned on some guy's motorcycle.

02:13:13.380 I think he might have been in Asia or something.

02:13:15.960 The guy had no idea who he was.

02:13:17.720 And he started screaming at him.

02:13:19.040 Oh, no.

02:13:19.760 And John said, I'm very, very sorry.

02:13:22.600 And he turned around.

02:13:23.340 He ran away like he was terrified.

02:13:25.080 And it was obviously he wasn't in any danger, but it was so hilarious that this guy had no idea who he was picking a fight

02:13:30.860 That's hilarious

02:13:31.860 The guy has no idea his life flashed before his eyes, but he but he he took it well because he was like, you know

02:13:38.140 I don't have anything to prove. Yeah, John's not the type of guy that would do anything to I mean all also what a lawsuit

02:13:43.160 You know, oh, yeah, your hands are weapons. I mean his whole body's a weapon. Yeah, but

02:13:48.600 Most of those guys are really nice guys in real life. Is that right? Yeah, because they get all their aggression out

02:13:54.000 they don't have anything to prove they're not the type of person they know what they can do they

02:13:58.640 don't have to prove it to anybody well you should come to winnipeg they have a fight coming up i

02:14:02.720 think it's in uh i think it's in april it's in april a ufc in it yeah i've avoided ufc's in

02:14:08.640 canada well come on i've avoided it just because of the government just because of what was going

02:14:12.640 on as a protest i was like this is so well we'll come back up and well if you win i'll go up there

02:14:17.200 well how about that we should get you up before you become prime minister i promise i'll do all

02:14:21.280 the ufc events that they have in canada we need you up in canada to come uh come to one of your

02:14:26.320 comedy shows and uh it would be great for i used to love going up there i used to love going to

02:14:30.560 massey hall yeah i i used to toronto yeah i love performing there i did um you used to do montreal

02:14:38.880 and uh how old were you when you were in montreal oh i started i think the first time i was up there

02:14:43.280 i was like 25. such a beautiful city yeah yeah it's gorgeous there oh i loved it come back

02:14:48.720 is lovely it's amazing beautiful province amazing food shout out to joe beef one of my favorite

02:14:53.460 restaurants in the world that's in montreal yeah they're uh montreal is a great place and

02:14:58.640 you should come out to the prairies too go to the calgary stampede i've heard that's awesome oh it's

02:15:03.480 amazing i've been to edmonton i've been to alberta yeah yeah i performed in edmonton a few times

02:15:08.320 and um i've hunted in alberta where um well my friends john and jen rivet they have uh they have

02:15:17.100 a uh um a guide i mean they guide people up in uh northern alberta it's all like uh you know

02:15:25.940 black bear hunting yeah so it's like there's a lot of great hunting i don't hunt myself but

02:15:30.520 there's a ton of great hunting a lot of hunters in alberta oh yeah well there's talk about alberta

02:15:35.360 separating that won't happen what was that about it won't happen um people some people are

02:15:40.400 frustrated uh but they you know there's some legitimate frustrations but at the end of the

02:15:45.880 day Canada's going to be united and Albertans I'm born and raised Alberta and Albertans are

02:15:52.320 seriously patriotic very patriotic yeah they're great people hard-working some of the nicest

02:15:57.600 people you ever they are great people hardy they are hardy people it's cold up there it is cold

02:16:03.900 exactly you got to be tough to survive the cold in Canada carve a country like we have

02:16:08.660 out of that cold weather on that big open land but people just keep on going and Alberta's got

02:16:15.420 real kind of rugged uh individualism yes and uh people uh people love their their agriculture

02:16:22.620 great ranches in alberta beautiful grasslands in saskatchewan doesn't brock lesnar have a place

02:16:28.620 up there i didn't know that i think brock lesnar really bought land in alberta really i think he

02:16:33.820 owns a ranch up there actually i had heard that from somebody yeah i've never seen him fell in

02:16:37.900 love with it well he's a big hunter as well right he fell in love with it up there because it's just

02:16:42.140 it's so magnificent it's so gorgeous it's a great country and the woods are so dense and beautiful

02:16:47.520 and you got wolves and bears and moose and everything up there it's amazing country the

02:16:52.480 canadian rockies are spectacular as well they're you know a worldwide attraction you know you go

02:16:58.280 to lake louise it looks like a tropical lake because it's all this runoff from the mountain

02:17:03.240 melt and you'd think you were in the tropics because it's this this turquoise green that's

02:17:08.120 where i grew up i i love i love calgary i love southern alberta that's really my home and so uh

02:17:14.060 you got to come to the stampede greatest outdoor show on earth a lot of texans go up for the

02:17:17.880 the stampede because it's a rodeo it's a huge rodeo yeah people don't think cowboy canada they

02:17:23.380 don't think of that but yeah calgary uh they've got some serious there no they really do yeah

02:17:28.560 look i love canada i just uh if you did your comedy show in calgary you'd get a massive turnout

02:17:34.580 It would be great.

02:17:35.620 Think it over.

02:17:36.300 Well, I was supposed to be up there before COVID.

02:17:38.920 I was supposed to do a show up there for 420 for April 20th.

02:17:43.580 I was going to do it in Vancouver.

02:17:45.400 That's another great city.

02:17:46.380 Every year I would do these 420 shows, like these, you know, 420 is the marijuana number.

02:17:53.220 And Canada, now you guys have legal marijuana too.

02:17:56.760 I've been legal for 10 years.

02:17:57.900 Which they should have in America.

02:17:58.980 It's so ridiculous.

02:17:59.800 They just recently decided to make it Schedule 3.

02:18:02.940 Is it state by state?

02:18:05.260 Yes.

02:18:05.660 It's legal in a lot of states, but it's still not legal federally.

02:18:09.240 It's goofy.

02:18:09.960 If alcohol is legal, marijuana is far safer.

02:18:12.820 It should be legal.

02:18:13.680 It's ridiculous.

02:18:14.440 It's also a personal freedom thing.

02:18:16.320 Leave people alone.

02:18:17.560 It's like no one's robbing banks, smoking weed, fucking killing neighbors.

02:18:21.700 It's crazy.

02:18:22.860 That's a personal choice thing.

02:18:24.480 It's not heroin.

02:18:26.500 It's not opiates.

02:18:27.860 It's not like maybe you shouldn't do it if you have mental health problems, right?

02:18:31.740 But there's a lot of people that just like take a pot gummy and go to bed and it makes them sleep better

02:18:36.640 Like leave them alone like leave people let people have a glass of whiskey let people have a glass of wine with dinner

02:18:42.620 Leave them alone like stop that's coming up with laws where you can impose

02:18:47.800 Your values and your morals and your judgments on other people

02:18:52.040 Let them have make their own personal look if you want to eat a fucking cheeseburger eat a cheeseburger

02:18:56.420 You know if you want to go and have five Big Macs

02:18:59.020 sex, you should be able to. I don't think you should do it, but I don't think there

02:19:02.520 should be a law stopping you. And I think that should apply to a lot of things in life

02:19:07.520 and we'd be a lot better off.

02:19:08.780 Well, the bottom line is if you cannot trust a man to govern himself, how can you

02:19:13.360 trust him to govern for others? Like if you think that human nature is so flawed that

02:19:19.700 people cannot make decisions for themselves, then how could you possibly trust human nature

02:19:24.640 to make decisions for other people, to impose decisions on their lives.

02:19:29.220 And who watches the watchman?

02:19:31.840 We're constantly told we need to be kind of guided by these people from ivory towers.

02:19:36.820 But who are these angels anyway?

02:19:38.240 They're just human beings like everyone else.

02:19:40.040 So when you give them more power and more, you give them the power to impose their will

02:19:44.100 on people, then that ultimately gets abused.

02:19:46.620 Yes.

02:19:47.120 So even, you're right, even when somebody is doing something that I don't agree with,

02:19:50.560 and I would think it would be better for all of us if they didn't do it,

02:19:53.180 Like the mal that is done by giving me the power to impose my decision-making on them is worse than the benefit of trying to direct them towards a better decision.

02:20:03.400 Well said.

02:20:04.000 That's my philosophy.

02:20:05.340 That's why I like you.

02:20:06.200 Well, that's where I come from.

02:20:07.920 You make a lot of sense.

02:20:09.020 It's pretty simple.

02:20:09.880 I think all the best things in life are simple.

02:20:11.880 You know, we overcomplicate things.

02:20:13.580 Government is way too complicated.

02:20:15.900 You know, I think we need to get back to the simplicity.

02:20:19.720 The greatest speech in the English language was Abraham Lincoln's Gettysburg Address, 271 words.

02:20:27.020 You know, Einstein compressed mass and energy into a five-character equation.

02:20:35.720 You know, Bruce Lee was an advocate of simplicity.

02:20:38.520 Like, simplicity is a virtue, and I think we have to get back to simplicity, especially in government.

02:20:44.260 Simpler, clearer, easier to manage.

02:20:47.660 That's the kind of the philosophical take I pursue.

02:20:52.220 Well, I appreciate that.

02:20:53.520 And I think like that philosophy and that perspective from a leader is what we need in this world, you know?

02:21:02.100 Well, I think leaders have to have humility because the problem is that if you are an egomaniac and you're in power anywhere in the world, then you're going to want to just continually impose new rules and laws to make yourself bigger.

02:21:13.640 Whereas if you believe in freedom, then you have to take, you have to be able to say to yourself, I don't know better for this other person.

02:21:21.500 He knows better what's for him.

02:21:23.260 And, you know, it's, it's hard, but politicians have to think that they have to trust the people.

02:21:29.580 But, you know, nobody wants to have, he left people alone on their gravestone.

02:21:33.660 They want to think, oh, he built this.

02:21:34.940 He, he imposed that.

02:21:36.240 He made this grand initiative that he imposed on the people in order to have a legacy.

02:21:41.200 But my legacy is just to let other people build their legacies in their own lives.

02:21:46.760 I think the idea of forging a legacy based on controlling people and imposing your will is ludicrous.

02:21:52.420 Exactly.

02:21:53.060 Yeah.

02:21:53.700 But the problem is history is littered with people like that.

02:21:56.580 Absolutely.

02:21:57.220 Alexander the Great, Genghis Khan.

02:21:58.940 There's so many people that imposed their will and left a legacy.

02:22:02.960 But is that good?

02:22:04.200 I don't think it is.

02:22:05.380 And it's also they're dead.

02:22:07.640 They are, exactly.

02:22:08.700 It doesn't matter.

02:22:10.080 It doesn't matter.

02:22:10.960 Nobody walked by one of those magnificent tombs in Petra and said, boy, I'd really like to be inside there.

02:22:16.820 Exactly.

02:22:17.540 What is happening while you're alive is what's really significant and the most impactful thing.

02:22:24.380 Like do well.

02:22:25.780 Do good for the people.

02:22:27.100 And I think your message resonates with me.

02:22:30.500 Thank you.

02:22:30.840 And if I was a Canadian, I would vote for you 100%.

02:22:33.000 Thank you.

02:22:33.520 Thank you for that.

02:22:34.440 Well, it's a privilege to do this work.

02:22:37.900 And I consider it very humbling and I'm very proud to be Canadian and to take the message of Canada here to our American friends.

02:22:45.820 Well, I'm glad you're here doing that.

02:22:47.700 And I think this is going to have a big impact.

02:22:50.880 I really hope it moves the needle up in Canada.

02:22:53.660 Absolutely.

02:22:54.260 And down here, we've got to get these tariffs gone.

02:22:56.200 Yeah.

02:22:56.720 Get the tariffs gone.

02:22:58.060 Well, let's work it out.

02:22:59.620 Right on.

02:22:59.920 Work it out.

02:23:00.540 And if you win, I'm coming up there, I promise.

02:23:02.520 Well, we're going to try to get you up there earlier.

02:23:04.120 I'm going to keep working on you.

02:23:05.220 Okay.

02:23:05.480 And you look at that maple leaf on your new kettlebell every day.

02:23:08.500 Eventually, we're going to work subliminally into your subconscious and get you up.

02:23:13.080 Well, look, like I said, you don't have to sell me on Canada.

02:23:15.100 I love Canada.

02:23:16.180 And I love that gift.

02:23:17.960 So thank you so much.

02:23:18.940 Thank you very much.

02:23:19.720 Thank you for being here.

02:23:20.360 Thank you.

02:23:20.620 It was awesome.

02:23:21.160 All right, go.

02:23:21.720 Thank you.

02:23:22.980 Bye, buddy.

02:23:35.480 Thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience - March 20, 2026

Joe Rogan Experience #2470 - Pierre Poilievre

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