The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2474 - Dave Smith

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00:00:13.000 So, Dave, you were telling me right before the show that you are now retiring because you got an impromptu phone call and bet hundreds of millions of dollars on oil prices going down.

00:00:24.000 Congratulations.

00:00:26.000 It was a good bet.

00:00:27.000 It just wasn't timed right.

00:00:29.000 I thought he got it in on time.

00:00:31.000 I thought you got it in like...

00:00:32.000 Yeah.

00:00:33.000 I thought you got it in like five minutes early.

00:00:36.000 I did not.

00:00:37.000 How is there not a massive investigation into that right away?

00:00:40.000 Didn't someone make like $1.8 billion in like five minutes?

00:00:45.000 Yeah, there's a lot of those, like trades like that that should be investigated that kind of never are.

00:00:50.000 Bro.

00:00:52.000 How about what's his name?

00:00:53.000 Lutnick?

00:00:54.000 Yeah, how about that one?

00:00:56.000 So he's working for the administration and also standing to gain huge if people can sue over the tariffs, right?

00:01:06.000 Well, explain the whole thing.

00:01:08.000 Do you know how to do you know the actual details of it?

00:01:10.000 No, I don't really know.

00:01:11.000 So essentially he was telling everybody that, you know, don't sweat it.

00:01:15.000 The tariffs are golden.

00:01:16.000 We're getting them through.

00:01:18.000 There's going to be no problems.

00:01:19.000 Is that what it was?

00:01:21.000 But meanwhile, he was shorting the tariffs?

00:01:23.000 Yeah, so he was personally shorting them.

00:01:23.000 Yes.

00:01:25.000 I don't know what that actually is so we don't get sued.

00:01:27.000 I bet he's a quite litigious gentleman. 0.97

00:01:29.000 Yeah, he might be.

00:01:31.000 Let's see if we can find it.

00:01:33.000 I don't know what that means there.

00:01:34.000 Like, is it wild that people are on the files, visit the island, and then they still work?

00:01:39.000 It was unbelievable.

00:01:40.000 Some people had to resign from some jobs. 0.95

00:01:42.000 Well, especially just him because he so the way there's something about a really confident liar.

00:01:49.000 Like, where they just, because, I mean, that interview clip where he's like, let me tell you something.

00:01:53.000 I met Jeffrey Epstein that one time.

00:01:54.000 He had a massage table. 0.88

00:01:56.000 He said they were sex massage tables.

00:01:57.000 I went right back to my wife and I said, honey, we are never hanging out with Jeffrey Epstein again.

00:02:01.000 And that is that.

00:02:04.000 Is that really just quote?

00:02:04.000 Oh, dude.

00:02:05.000 We've seen that.

00:02:06.000 I don't know if it's verbatim, but that is the exact sparrow.

00:02:09.000 That's probably pretty verbatim.

00:02:10.000 Oh, let's listen to it.

00:02:12.000 I find it.

00:02:12.000 Listen to it.

00:02:13.000 Very, very close to exactly what he said.

00:02:15.000 Let me get this one again.

00:02:15.000 Okay.

00:02:16.000 What was this one?

00:02:18.000 Lutnick interview about Epstein.

00:02:20.000 And he just sounds, I mean, so morally outraged about the idea.

00:02:24.000 There's so many people that they exist in that world where you just pretend that you're a different person.

00:02:30.000 You pretend you're one way.

00:02:32.000 You pretend you think things differently.

00:02:35.000 I've been up close with people like that.

00:02:37.000 That was my takeaway from debating Chris Cuomo.

00:02:40.000 It's a weird thing to see someone just lie like that.

00:02:43.000 Here it is.

00:02:44.000 No, this is the one that says he's the greatest blackmailer ever.

00:02:49.000 Which word am I trying to find?

00:02:51.000 Yeah, try to explain it to him.

00:02:53.000 It was...

00:02:54.000 Let me see the keywords that would downplay his relationship with him.

00:02:59.000 That might be it.

00:03:02.000 There was something on the other thing, but I don't know what that is.

00:03:04.000 What does he do?

00:03:07.000 He's a commerce secretary.

00:03:10.000 He was always like a money finance guy.

00:03:12.000 I think he used to work for CNBC, if I'm correct.

00:03:15.000 In this administration, this, like, the wolves have taken over the hen house.

00:03:20.000 Yeah, they sure have.

00:03:20.000 Yeah.

00:03:23.000 This is what draining the swamp looks like.

00:03:25.000 Under fire for Epstein Ties, Commerce Secretary Howard Luttnick defends visiting his private island.

00:03:30.000 Yeah, but this isn't the clip.

00:03:32.000 The clip was from...

00:03:34.000 Oh, at the top it says, it says, Luttnick said in an interview last year, he was never in the room with Epstein other than a 2005 visit to his apartment.

00:03:44.000 Okay, so that's probably it.

00:03:46.000 He said, you know, he met him once and like, this guy's so.

00:03:49.000 He specifically says that he met him, that he saw he had a massage table in his living room.

00:03:55.000 And he goes, hey, Jeffrey, what do you, you really like massages?

00:03:58.000 And he claims that Jeffrey went, yeah, and the right kind of massages.

00:04:03.000 And that's when he decided he would never talk to him again.

00:04:06.000 Nobody likes the right kind of massages.

00:04:09.000 Those are terrible.

00:04:10.000 Imagine if those were legal, just hand job massages. 0.83

00:04:13.000 There'd be like no relationships. 0.80

00:04:18.000 How many people are in terrible relationships just because they need sex? 0.99

00:04:22.000 There's a lot of guys that'd be like, I'm just going to hang out with the boys, just get jerked off once on Wednesday. 0.99

00:04:27.000 And I'm good. 0.94

00:04:28.000 Howard Ludnick downplayed his relationship with Epstein during Senate testimony.

00:04:32.000 I don't know.

00:04:32.000 Testimony.

00:04:33.000 Is this it?

00:04:34.000 Now, this is from recently.

00:04:36.000 This is from this year.

00:04:37.000 I did find an article that kind of, I don't even know what this website is, though.

00:04:40.000 I don't know if this old firm did not, in fact, profit from the Supreme Court tariff ruling.

00:04:47.000 It says that there was an article claiming it, and then that's why I was trying to dig through this news.

00:04:51.000 Oh, we better edit that out then.

00:04:54.000 I mean, it was reported, though, that they did, but I don't know what this says.

00:05:00.000 It says firms run by his two sons.

00:05:02.000 Elder Lutnick announced the sale of the stake in the firm and other investors, Supreme Court on Friday invalidated many of Trump's tariffs.

00:05:11.000 The president said, Okay, Castor did not consider the product, which has existed for years.

00:05:17.000 It was humming trade on Wall Street's Trump first-term tariff push, but decided against it after weighing the political sensitivities.

00:05:26.000 According to a senior banker familiar with this matter, a Cantor spokesman said the salesman erroneously believed the firm was likely to greenlight the business.

00:05:34.000 Okay, I'm missing this.

00:05:36.000 I'm not exactly sure what they're saying here.

00:05:38.000 This is just the legality of tariffs or discussing that.

00:05:41.000 I sent an email that said that they're representing 10 million.

00:05:44.000 That's right.

00:05:45.000 I was trying to figure out the accuracy of all this and whatnot.

00:05:48.000 So what was the accusation?

00:05:50.000 The accusation was that he had shorted tariffs while claiming that tariffs are going to work.

00:05:57.000 Yeah, the accusation was that he stood to make a lot of money from tariffs being struck down.

00:06:02.000 Why don't you put that into perplexity, Jamie?

00:06:04.000 Find out if that's accurate and let it scour the internet instead of us doing it.

00:06:09.000 Gotta love AI.

00:06:10.000 Yeah, it is something.

00:06:12.000 I can't wait until it takes over government.

00:06:14.000 It's going to be awesome.

00:06:15.000 After a while, you're like, I don't know if it could be much worse than what humans are doing with government.

00:06:19.000 It's going to be better.

00:06:20.000 It's not going to be greedy.

00:06:22.000 Well, as long as it determines that human life is valuable, I feel like is really the humans.

00:06:28.000 So let's be honest. 0.99

00:06:29.000 You know, some homeless guy is taking a shit on your Jaguar. 0.99

00:06:32.000 Is that guy really valuable? 1.00

00:06:34.000 Yeah, but to AI, we all might be homeless guys taking shit. 0.98

00:06:37.000 Did you see that there was these San Francisco tech guys, and they got trapped in their Waymo because a homeless guy started attacking the Waymo and yelling at them, why are you paying robots? 0.99

00:06:47.000 No. 0.70

00:06:47.000 Yeah, like you're a traitor. 0.70

00:06:48.000 You're paying robots. 0.96

00:06:50.000 You're paying the robots.

00:06:51.000 The homeless guy was upset about this?

00:06:53.000 The homeless guy was attacking the Waymo.

00:06:55.000 The tech guys were in the Waymo.

00:06:57.000 We were terrified for our life.

00:06:58.000 We feared our safety because they're being attacked by a crazy person who's saying you shouldn't be giving money to robots.

00:07:04.000 That's an uncomfortable position to be.

00:07:06.000 I get all my information from the Tim Dylan show, by the way.

00:07:08.000 But they did.

00:07:10.000 It's the best source.

00:07:10.000 It's not the worst source.

00:07:12.000 It's the best source.

00:07:13.000 Him and that dude, what's his name?

00:07:15.000 James Lee.

00:07:16.000 He's our other number one source of information.

00:07:19.000 Conspiracy theorist.

00:07:20.000 There you go. 0.95

00:07:21.000 But another one, a Waymo, a gal got in, and there's a fucking homeless guy in the trunk because apparently the last person, when they left their Waymo, they opened the trunk to get their luggage out, and they never closed it. 0.98

00:07:36.000 So the homeless guy hopped into their fucking Waymo and closed the house. 0.98

00:07:39.000 And caught himself. 0.99

00:07:40.000 It was in the trunk.

00:07:41.000 So she orders a Waymo.

00:07:43.000 She climbs in.

00:07:44.000 There's a homeless guy in the trunk.

00:07:46.000 And Waymo's like, that's unacceptable.

00:07:52.000 Okay.

00:07:52.000 The main claim is that Cantor Fitzgerald, Howard Luttnick's former firm now chaired by his son, stood to profit by buying tariff refund rights that only became valuable if Trump's tariffs were overturned.

00:08:06.000 But the firm insists it ultimately did not execute those trades.

00:08:10.000 What critics say happened?

00:08:11.000 Investigators and reporters, reporting notably by Wired, described Cantor Fitzgerald exploring a business where it would buy the rights to future tariff refunds from importers for about 20 to 30 cents on the dollar.

00:08:23.000 Internal materials cited in those reports suggested Cantor had capacity to trade several hundred million dollars of these refund rights and had already facilitated at least one trade of around $10 million in rights under the IEEPA tariffs.

00:08:38.000 The idea was that if courts later struck down the tariffs, the government would have to refund duties and Cantor or its clients would collect the full refund while the original importers only kept a small upfront payment.

00:08:51.000 So why is it seen as a conflict?

00:08:52.000 Is it true?

00:08:53.000 So it just said that they executed on one, right?

00:08:56.000 Didn't it say that?

00:08:57.000 Scroll back up.

00:08:58.000 That was based off that email article right here.

00:09:00.000 It says internal materials cited in those reports suggested Cantor had capacity to trade and had already facilitated at least one trade of around $10 million in rights.

00:09:12.000 It's only $10 million.

00:09:13.000 Let it go, Dave.

00:09:14.000 That is small potatoes for what we're talking about for these kind of guys.

00:09:18.000 What Cantor and Luttnick's side say, Cantor Fitzgerald has publicly stated that while some salespeople explored, I like that in quotes, brokering tariff refund rates in 2025,

00:09:30.000 the firm never executed any transactions or taken any position on tariff refund claims, calling contrary reports false.

00:09:40.000 Follow-up recording has echoed that Cantor considered products tied to the Supreme Court tariff ruling, but ultimately backed off in part because of the political optics.

00:09:49.000 Duh. 0.99

00:09:50.000 Fuck it, that's a big duh. 1.00

00:09:52.000 Around Lutnick's government job. 1.00

00:09:54.000 Latest coverage is no public evidence that Cantor actually booked profits from this strategy, though the investigations in Congress are ongoing and focus on whether there was any attempted or potential profiteer.

00:10:09.000 Are you more interested in the ethics conflicts of interest or the nuts and bolts of how the secondary tariff refund market works financially?

00:10:16.000 So it seems like we don't really have evidence.

00:10:16.000 No.

00:10:18.000 Well, it'll be interesting.

00:10:20.000 I mean, if which is probably going to happen, but the Democrats take the House and the Senate in the midterm elections this year, I mean, that'll just be the next two years of politics.

00:10:30.000 It'll be investigations and some Democrat lady just over, she just took over the seat in Trump's neighborhood where Mar-a-Lago is. 1.00

00:10:40.000 So a Democrat lady just won. 1.00

00:10:42.000 Yep.

00:10:42.000 Well, they're going to seize.

00:10:42.000 Yeah.

00:10:44.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:10:44.000 I mean, look, in his first term, they impeached him twice for absolute bullshit. 0.99

00:10:49.000 So they'll go after him for anything. 0.92

00:10:52.000 But I have a feeling now there's probably a lot more for them to investigate and work on stuff like this and the meme coin stuff and whatever business deal.

00:11:02.000 You know, I don't have the details at the top of my mind, but I do know that they said at one point that Jared Kushner would not be involved in this administration at all because he does so much business over there.

00:11:15.000 And it's just like, so they were like, oh, no, no, no, he won't.

00:11:17.000 But now he totally is.

00:11:19.000 Him and Witkoff are like the lead negotiators in this, too.

00:11:22.000 So there's a lot of meat on the bone for Democrats to make big political theater out of for the next two years.

00:11:29.000 Is there anywhere that's not corrupt?

00:11:31.000 I mean, when we look at the insider trading in Congress, when you look at all these slimy deals that get made with NGOs, you look at every, it's like everything's dirty.

00:11:42.000 There's not one part of government.

00:11:43.000 You're like, right there, they nailed it.

00:11:46.000 Yeah, well, that is true.

00:11:47.000 Like maybe the post office. 0.96

00:11:49.000 I mean, post office is pretty fucking good, dude. 0.93

00:11:53.000 Yeah, compared to all the rest of it, sure. 0.84

00:11:54.000 You can get a letter moved across the whole country for like, what is it, like 30 cents?

00:12:00.000 How much is a stamp these days?

00:12:01.000 That's true.

00:12:02.000 I mean, I don't know if you include the cost on the back end, like the taxes that pay for the whole thing.

00:12:07.000 Maybe it's a little more expensive.

00:12:08.000 But relatively speaking, you can get, you know, something.

00:12:12.000 It's not a bad organization.

00:12:14.000 In terms of government organizations, you never hear, except going postal.

00:12:14.000 Sure.

00:12:18.000 Remember those days?

00:12:18.000 That used to be a thing.

00:12:19.000 Yes, I did.

00:12:20.000 There was a while, like, where so many post officers went so crazy and started shooting people that they started calling it going postal, but it never just went away.

00:12:29.000 Yeah, young people, if you're listening to this and you don't know what we're talking about, in our day, we didn't have school shootings.

00:12:34.000 Okay, we had to do it the old-fashioned way.

00:12:36.000 You had to drive a postman crazy until he went around shooting people.

00:12:39.000 And it happened several times to the point that became a thing. 0.97

00:12:43.000 These crazy postal workers.

00:12:45.000 There was a video game called Postal. 0.98

00:12:48.000 Well, you run around shooting people.

00:12:50.000 It was in the 90s.

00:12:52.000 Yeah, that would be about the time period.

00:12:54.000 The first one came out in 97.

00:12:56.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:12:57.000 And it was highly criticized.

00:12:58.000 They were like, weren't they like cartoon-looking characters?

00:13:01.000 Can you see if you pull up a video of postal?

00:13:04.000 It was like, they like South Park-looking characters, just blasted people.

00:13:08.000 So it felt like less, if I remember correctly, or maybe that's the box.

00:13:13.000 I never played it.

00:13:14.000 Maybe I played it.

00:13:15.000 I don't know.

00:13:15.000 Oh, this is going postal?

00:13:17.000 No.

00:13:18.000 Pissing everywhere.

00:13:19.000 This looks way better than 1990s.

00:13:21.000 This was in the 90s for sure.

00:13:23.000 Is this the new postal?

00:13:24.000 Here's what it looked like.

00:13:25.000 There might have been a newer version right there.

00:13:27.000 Oh, Jesus. 0.79

00:13:29.000 You just run around jacking people. 0.63

00:13:31.000 Yeah.

00:13:32.000 So it was like the first Grand Theft Auto, really.

00:13:34.000 I mean, Grand Theft Auto came out around then, too, actually.

00:13:34.000 Kind of.

00:13:36.000 It didn't look like this then, though.

00:13:38.000 But real weird, though, right?

00:13:39.000 That post office workers were just killing a bunch of people.

00:13:42.000 That's what it looked like.

00:13:44.000 Like that.

00:13:45.000 Okay.

00:13:46.000 This is what it looked like.

00:13:49.000 It didn't look like that other thing.

00:13:52.000 It was like it wasn't a first-person thing.

00:13:55.000 It was like you're seeing it from above and you just run around killing everybody.

00:13:58.000 I played a postal, though.

00:13:59.000 That was first person like that.

00:14:00.000 Maybe they had more versions of it.

00:14:02.000 Also, I don't want to show because I don't know what's going to be some bad stuff on there.

00:14:06.000 Yeah, probably nudity or anything.

00:14:08.000 Dude, video games really are like crack.

00:14:11.000 No problem.

00:14:12.000 I loved your, you had a rant about that years ago about how the problem is that there's so much fun and they're not accomplishing anything.

00:14:19.000 So the last video game I got into was UFC 3.

00:14:24.000 And I loved that game.

00:14:25.000 I just loved it.

00:14:26.000 And then I think it was, I got married, my wife got pregnant, and I was like, all right, I got to get rid of this.

00:14:31.000 I just can't.

00:14:32.000 So I was at the Dojo of Comedy.

00:14:35.000 It was a club in New Jersey.

00:14:37.000 Great club.

00:14:38.000 They have an LA one, too.

00:14:39.000 Oh, do they?

00:14:40.000 Sam Triple.

00:14:41.000 Oh, yeah.

00:14:42.000 Yeah.

00:14:43.000 So I was at the one in Jersey, and they have in the green room, they have UFC 3.

00:14:49.000 And I was like, oh, that's the game that I got really into.

00:14:52.000 So I was there for a weekend, and I mean, I just, the whole time, I was there, just in the green room, playing this video game.

00:14:57.000 And I was like, it was like a feeling almost like a drug addict who's around their drug of choice where I was like, I need to be away from that.

00:15:05.000 Like, I will play this until I kill myself.

00:15:07.000 It's so much fun. 0.86

00:15:08.000 It's a problem.

00:15:09.000 Robbie Lawler fighting, you know, whoever.

00:15:13.000 And they keep getting better.

00:15:14.000 Yeah, I know.

00:15:14.000 Well, I didn't, I stopped at that, so I never even learned how to play the new ones.

00:15:20.000 What number UFC game are they at now?

00:15:22.000 Five, I think.

00:15:23.000 Five.

00:15:25.000 The graphics keep getting better.

00:15:26.000 The movement keeps getting more natural.

00:15:28.000 Yeah.

00:15:29.000 And first-person shooters, man.

00:15:30.000 Oh, my God.

00:15:31.000 Who was the Joe Lozan?

00:15:35.000 I want to say.

00:15:35.000 Was that 155 guy?

00:15:37.000 Really good grappler.

00:15:39.000 Wasn't his thing like he was obsessed with video games, and then he went, I got to just do something else instead of this.

00:15:43.000 So he just did jiu-jitsu and then just got like amazing at jiu-jitsu.

00:15:48.000 I swear I think that was his story.

00:15:50.000 I could be misremembering this, but I swear I heard him talk about this in an interview once.

00:15:54.000 And that it was just like, I just played video games all day, all night.

00:15:57.000 And then eventually I was like, I got to do something productive with this.

00:15:59.000 And so he just started doing jiu-jitsu instead.

00:16:01.000 I wonder what he's up to these days.

00:16:03.000 He was a fun guy.

00:16:04.000 He was a fun fighter to watch.

00:16:05.000 Fun dude, like in person, too.

00:16:07.000 Him and his brother used to beat the fuck out of each other on the yard, like in the front yard.

00:16:11.000 They would have like full-on MMA fights, like full power. 0.98

00:16:14.000 They just beat the piss out of each other in the front yard. 0.97

00:16:17.000 I was like, boys, save it.

00:16:20.000 Like save it.

00:16:21.000 I wail on each other.

00:16:23.000 That's crazy.

00:16:24.000 It's a young man's game. 0.87

00:16:25.000 They had like a bunch of guys hanging around.

00:16:27.000 It looked like it was a picnic or something like that.

00:16:28.000 They decided, let's spice this picnic up. 1.00

00:16:30.000 You and me fight, motherfucker. 1.00

00:16:32.000 And they would fight, like fight, fight. 1.00

00:16:34.000 But all across this country, there are boys fighting in their yard.

00:16:38.000 And that was the highest level of yard fighting.

00:16:42.000 I mean, that was top 1%.

00:16:43.000 Whoa, that was two like legit MMA professionals.

00:16:47.000 Yeah, two legit MMA professionals are mad at each other because they're in the house with each other all the time. 1.00

00:16:52.000 Shut the fuck. 1.00

00:16:53.000 You didn't fucking do that. 1.00

00:16:55.000 You were supposed to put that shit away. 1.00

00:16:57.000 Yep. 1.00

00:16:57.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:16:58.000 That was.

00:16:59.000 You ate my food.

00:17:01.000 Yeah.

00:17:03.000 They both ended up being real fun fighters to watch.

00:17:05.000 Yeah.

00:17:05.000 Oh, yeah.

00:17:06.000 Joe was awesome.

00:17:06.000 He was a great fighter.

00:17:08.000 Yeah, he had a lot of fights in the UFC, too.

00:17:10.000 Yep.

00:17:11.000 And I think it got to, you know, how many years was he in?

00:17:17.000 God, I want to say he was at least in the UFC for like around a decade.

00:17:22.000 He was, yeah, he had a pretty long career.

00:17:24.000 Yeah.

00:17:24.000 Because he was fighting.

00:17:26.000 I mean, he fought, I don't know.

00:17:29.000 I mean, he fought like the whole, like, I think when he started was like BJ Penn era of lightweight, and then he fought into like Anthony Pettis was the champion.

00:17:37.000 Pull up Lozan's Wikipedia.

00:17:40.000 Find out when he retired.

00:17:42.000 His first fight was September 23rd, 2006.

00:17:44.000 I think it's his last fight was 2019.

00:17:47.000 Wow.

00:17:48.000 That's crazy.

00:17:49.000 2019.

00:17:51.000 Whew.

00:17:52.000 Some of these guys just don't.

00:17:54.000 They just don't want to stop.

00:17:55.000 It's just too fun.

00:17:57.000 It's a very hard job to keep going for a while.

00:18:01.000 Maybe the hardest.

00:18:02.000 Yeah.

00:18:03.000 You know, like on your body?

00:18:04.000 Oh, yeah.

00:18:05.000 Other than football, there's a lot of those guys in the NFL.

00:18:08.000 They only last a couple of years.

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00:18:47.000 No, I mean, that's a real tough one, but there's nothing.

00:18:50.000 Well, I guess like professional football, there's a similar aspect to where like you're not just, I mean, look, you can go to the hospital from basketball.

00:19:00.000 You know, you can get hurt and get a bad injury.

00:19:02.000 But the NFL or the UFC, you kind of like, you know, every time you go into it, like there's a very reasonable chance you're leaving here on a stretcher to go to the hospital.

00:19:13.000 But particularly with MMA, it's the most unforgiving sport where like you, you're one mistake, one mistake away from like, you know, like if LeBron James misses a wide open layup, he runs back on defense and tries to, you know,

00:19:28.000 get a block or something on the next play.

00:19:30.000 But in MMA, you could be dominating, fighting a perfect fight, make one mistake, and it's like, okay, you're unconscious now.

00:19:36.000 Maybe Leon Horborn's Kamaro Usman.

00:19:38.000 Yeah.

00:19:39.000 Perfect example.

00:19:40.000 Kamara's way ahead in the fight.

00:19:40.000 Yep.

00:19:42.000 It's in the fifth round.

00:19:43.000 I think there's like 20 seconds to go or something crazy.

00:19:46.000 And Leon just plants one, a perfect head kick.

00:19:50.000 Yeah.

00:19:50.000 And it was the per and John Annik makes the perfect call.

00:19:53.000 You know, like something had been said about him maybe deciding, you know, to quit.

00:19:59.000 And then John Annik says, but that is not the cloth from which he was cut.

00:20:02.000 Yeah.

00:20:03.000 Boom. 0.97

00:20:03.000 Head kick knockout. 0.97

00:20:04.000 It's like, come on, man.

00:20:05.000 Is this real?

00:20:06.000 One of the most amazing MMA championship knockouts ever.

00:20:09.000 Oh, ever, ever.

00:20:11.000 And then just his post-fight speech.

00:20:13.000 Look at me now.

00:20:15.000 Look at me now.

00:20:17.000 And then comes back and wins the rubber match.

00:20:19.000 Yeah.

00:20:20.000 Which was like, it's an interesting thing how much, you know, like, well, first off, like getting knocked out cold like that, and you know better than me, but like that does a number to your body.

00:20:29.000 Like that's not psychologically.

00:20:32.000 Well, psychologically.

00:20:33.000 And also, I think physically.

00:20:35.000 And then also just like the confidence that that gave Leon Edwards going into the next fight just changes everything now.

00:20:42.000 Yeah.

00:20:43.000 Kamaro had to be very careful because he knew it anymore.

00:20:46.000 I mean, he dodged most of the big ones until the big one landed.

00:20:51.000 So in his head, in that fight, he had a narrative.

00:20:54.000 And that narrative completely changed with one head kick. 1.00

00:20:57.000 So going into the next fight, the narrative is now, if you fuck up, you will be unconscious. 1.00

00:21:02.000 You can't get knocked unconscious again. 0.99

00:21:03.000 And he fought much more cautiously in the second fight.

00:21:07.000 I remember seeing that with, I felt like you could watch that when Dustin Poirier fought Connor McGregor the second time.

00:21:13.000 Like, you know, McGregor had knocked him out years earlier.

00:21:16.000 And you could kind of see, you know, like you could see Dustin.

00:21:20.000 I'm not saying like he was nervous or anything.

00:21:22.000 He's like one of the greatest fighters ever, but you could kind of just see like he gets in there and he starts and he takes a couple shots from Connor and he's still there, you know, and then he lands a couple shots and you could see like in that first round, like his confidence growing.

00:21:35.000 Like you almost got to get that out of your head.

00:21:38.000 That it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, that guy beat you that back then, but you're a different guy now.

00:21:42.000 Well, with Connor, it's all about weathering the initial storm.

00:21:45.000 The initial storm is crazy.

00:21:47.000 He's so explosive, so fast, so accurate.

00:21:51.000 And then another part about that second fight was Dustin setting up those calf kicks, specifically because both of those guys fight Southpaw.

00:22:00.000 And when you both fight Southpaw, if you're a Southpaw like Dustin, a lot of times the calf kick's not really available.

00:22:06.000 Like you have to throw it with a switch or it doesn't have the same sort of potential.

00:22:11.000 It's a slightly different potential when you're exchanging it in combinations.

00:22:15.000 But with Connor, it was wide open because Connor has two things going on.

00:22:19.000 One, he's a Southpaw.

00:22:20.000 Also, he had just gotten up a Floyd Mayweather fight.

00:22:23.000 He's very boxing heavy.

00:22:24.000 Not just, but a while back.

00:22:26.000 But he had really concentrated on striking with his hands.

00:22:30.000 His hands were elite.

00:22:31.000 So because of that, your stance is a little wider and you're putting a little bit more weight on your legs.

00:22:37.000 And he always had a wide stance anyway.

00:22:39.000 He had that karate stance.

00:22:41.000 The craziest thing about that is the calf kick really didn't become a big deal even until Connor was a superstar.

00:22:48.000 Like it was after that.

00:22:50.000 That's how recent it is.

00:22:52.000 Yeah, it's very strange that that was almost like a thing that didn't get figured out until so recently and then just totally changed everything.

00:22:58.000 Like at this point, you rare, not saying you never see it, but you pretty rarely see guys kick guys in the thigh anymore.

00:23:05.000 No, but I mean like compared to what it used to be, where it used to be like that was that was what a leg kick was for many years in MMA.

00:23:13.000 And now it's, I'd say, like the majority of leg kicks are targeting the calf.

00:23:18.000 Like you'll see almost like a thigh kick almost just to switch it up a little bit.

00:23:18.000 Yeah.

00:23:21.000 This guy's got really good at taking those.

00:23:24.000 Yeah, he got really good at being conditioned.

00:23:26.000 And, you know, we also saw a few leg breaks, right?

00:23:29.000 We saw the Anderson Silva one.

00:23:30.000 We saw the Chris Wideman one.

00:23:32.000 There's been a few leg breaks from guys just full power leg kicking the thigh.

00:23:37.000 And then someone just lifts up their knee a little bit and takes it on the right where the shin bone meets the kneecap is where they like to catch it.

00:23:45.000 And boy, I've seen way too many of those. 0.95

00:23:48.000 I've seen a bunch in person, but because of the internet, I've seen dozens and dozens of small promotions where a guy throws that kick wrong really hard and the guy checks it and his fucking foot just wraps around the leg and you see it dangling there. 0.97

00:24:04.000 You're like, oh, no. 0.87

00:24:05.000 I've seen him recognize the thing.

00:24:08.000 Like that injury is so recognizable.

00:24:11.000 Like I've seen it so many times now.

00:24:12.000 I see it.

00:24:13.000 I just go, oh, it's going to wrap around the calf.

00:24:16.000 It's going to flop.

00:24:17.000 He's going to fall down.

00:24:18.000 I've seen it several times on internet videos and in UFC fights. 0.99

00:24:21.000 I've only once seen a guy continue to talk shit about the other guy after from the ground, which is the craziest shit ever, dude. 0.99

00:24:29.000 Everyone else I've seen is like crying in pain. 0.99

00:24:32.000 And Connor's talking about your wife's whatever his CDMs.

00:24:36.000 Jesus Christ.

00:24:36.000 Yeah, he asked me to come and sit down with him and do a podcast.

00:24:41.000 He's an animal.

00:24:43.000 I mean, the dude's one of a kind.

00:24:44.000 He's one of a kind.

00:24:46.000 He apparently made a post on his Instagram saying he's back.

00:24:50.000 And if it's true, that would be awesome.

00:24:53.000 The idea is his suspension for whatever he took before is up.

00:24:53.000 That would be awesome.

00:25:01.000 What was it?

00:25:01.000 Yay.

00:25:02.000 Something someone, I think it was Douglas Murray when he wrote that article about me.

00:25:06.000 He said.

00:25:07.000 Mr. Confidence returns to save fighting again.

00:25:11.000 Call your grandma.

00:25:13.000 Nanny, we did it.

00:25:14.000 Watch and pay me. 1.00

00:25:16.000 Fuck you, pay me. 1.00

00:25:17.000 You fat Irish prick. 1.00

00:25:18.000 You don't have my money. 1.00

00:25:20.000 I put your brain to sleep. 0.99

00:25:21.000 Who's that?

00:25:22.000 What's that about?

00:25:23.000 Who's he talking about?

00:25:24.000 C is in the casinos after the Mac loves you all.

00:25:28.000 I got love for yous.

00:25:30.000 It's all.

00:25:32.000 It's an honor.

00:25:33.000 It's light work.

00:25:34.000 It's easy.

00:25:35.000 For life and eternity, it's McGregor.

00:25:37.000 How drunk was he when he wrote this?

00:25:41.000 I do this fight game easy peasy.

00:25:43.000 The sound of my shots off the head go bing in green dot laser form.

00:25:49.000 Okay.

00:25:50.000 Well, I really hope he is actually back.

00:25:55.000 I hope it's true.

00:25:57.000 It'd be fun to see.

00:25:58.000 It'd be a lot of fun.

00:25:59.000 It'd be a lot of fun.

00:26:00.000 He's the greatest personality the sport's ever known.

00:26:02.000 There's no one even close.

00:26:02.000 That's right.

00:26:03.000 I mean, he's the most dynamic personality the sport's ever known.

00:26:07.000 And he was for a time there, just such an unbelievable fighter.

00:26:13.000 I mean, he was like just, it was incredible what he was doing.

00:26:16.000 Danny Alvarez fight.

00:26:18.000 Oh, yeah.

00:26:18.000 I was there.

00:26:19.000 Well, thanks to you.

00:26:19.000 I was there.

00:26:21.000 It's really good, really good seats.

00:26:22.000 Thanks to you.

00:26:23.000 But that was one of the best.

00:26:25.000 That might be the best fight I've ever been to live because that whole card was just stacked.

00:26:29.000 And that as the main event was just unbelievable.

00:26:31.000 Bro, he was in the Matrix.

00:26:32.000 He was in the Matrix.

00:26:34.000 He was just in the zone.

00:26:36.000 You know, Dana said it best.

00:26:38.000 He's like, that kid eats pressure.

00:26:40.000 He goes, he eats it.

00:26:41.000 Yeah.

00:26:42.000 Like, he thrives on pressure.

00:26:43.000 Pressure that makes other people wilt.

00:26:45.000 He like shines under that pressure.

00:26:47.000 And he had an amazing ability, even very early in his career, which was like kind of, it was really unique.

00:26:53.000 Like, because even like on his first fight ever, if you watch his first fight in the UFC against like Brimmage, I think the guy's name is.

00:27:00.000 And he was relatively unknown at the time.

00:27:04.000 But dude, the place is going nut.

00:27:06.000 He already had made so much kind of like street cred for himself.

00:27:09.000 And then the Irish thing, like the Irish were really, really into it.

00:27:12.000 But from the very first fight, he would always create these moments where it's like, dude, this is going to be the biggest spectacle that you, my opponent, has ever been in in their career. 0.99

00:27:22.000 Like, I'm going to get you mad with shit talking. 0.96

00:27:24.000 I'm going to get the fans so excited because he's completely comfortable there. 0.99

00:27:28.000 Like, I'm not sure if you're really comfortable here.

00:27:31.000 And even with Aldo, who had been the entire division, literally when they started the division, they started him as champion.

00:27:38.000 He didn't even win it.

00:27:39.000 He came in because they absolved the WEC.

00:27:42.000 So he was the entire featherweight division, had just dominated everyone, and he even created such a moment that like Aldo was like, he was the boogeyman.

00:27:52.000 Yeah, dude, he was incredible.

00:27:54.000 So he's one of the greatest featherweights of all time. 0.99

00:27:57.000 But he got him to the point where he was like so furious that he was like, I'm going to take this fucking guy's head off. 0.99

00:28:02.000 And then Connor's just like relaxed. 1.00

00:28:04.000 He's like, he didn't care about any of the shit talking. 0.98

00:28:07.000 He was just like, yeah, we're having fun. 0.99

00:28:08.000 Let's play.

00:28:09.000 He lost his composure.

00:28:10.000 Yeah, and he looked very overwhelmed by the moment.

00:28:14.000 Oh, and by the way, everyone from Ireland came to Vegas for that fight. 0.99

00:28:19.000 It was the nuttiest thing I've ever seen in my fucking life. 0.99

00:28:22.000 The entire Mandalay Bay was overcome with Irish people. 1.00

00:28:28.000 I mean, overcome like you couldn't move.

00:28:31.000 There was nothing but Irish people everywhere. 0.85

00:28:33.000 And they were singing.

00:28:35.000 They were all singing together in the halls of this gigantic casino, packed, like they're waiting in line for something.

00:28:43.000 And they were just there partying for Connor.

00:28:46.000 I remember, I think it was when, I want to say it was when.

00:28:48.000 Look at all these people.

00:28:49.000 Yeah, it was nuts, dude.

00:28:50.000 Bro, this is nuts, man.

00:28:51.000 They're all Irish people.

00:28:53.000 Like, you got to realize nobody had a following like him.

00:28:58.000 Like, this is actually Irish people for the Floyd Mayweather fight.

00:29:02.000 They were still ride or die with him, even for that fight.

00:29:05.000 I think it was when he fought Dennis Seaver, I want to say.

00:29:08.000 I think he was in Boston.

00:29:09.000 So I went with Louis J. Gomez, my good friend, hilarious comedian.

00:29:14.000 And me and him went to some Irish bar to watch.

00:29:18.000 Like we just happened to be in Midtown Manhattan and we were like, oh, the fights are coming on.

00:29:21.000 Oh, they're playing it at this bar.

00:29:23.000 It was just like an Irish pub.

00:29:24.000 And dude, I mean, it wasn't even that big of a bar. 1.00

00:29:27.000 They must have, I mean, it was shoulder to shoulder Irish people losing their fucking minds. 1.00

00:29:33.000 Like it was the, it was the most fun environment to watch a fight in because they're just at, I mean, they're just like, but all that singing and chanting. 0.99

00:29:41.000 It seemed like everyone had an Irish flag with them.

00:29:43.000 Like it was this, in a little bar.

00:29:46.000 It was this.

00:29:47.000 That's nuts, man.

00:29:48.000 Look at that.

00:29:49.000 That's Mandalay Bay.

00:29:51.000 Wow.

00:29:52.000 Look at this.

00:29:53.000 Oh, that's MGM.

00:29:55.000 Well, they were everywhere. 0.99

00:29:56.000 They were probably at every fucking casino there was. 1.00

00:29:59.000 This is crazy. 1.00

00:30:05.000 Imagine if you're from Northern Ireland.

00:30:11.000 And you're like, you still remember the troubles.

00:30:15.000 You make your way to the hotel.

00:30:17.000 Just came to Vegas for a little gambling.

00:30:19.000 You don't follow MMA. 1.00

00:30:20.000 You have no fucking idea. 0.99

00:30:22.000 What's this all about? 1.00

00:30:25.000 I have picked a wrong fucking week for me vacation. 0.93

00:30:30.000 By the way, I was going to say that Douglas Murray's big knock on me when he wrote his op-ed in the New York Post was he goes, you know, Dave goes on Joe Rogan and he talks about foreign policy like he's an expert, but I bet he wouldn't go in there and talk MMA with him because then Joe would recognize he's not an expert. 0.95

00:30:44.000 And I was like, we do that all the time.

00:30:46.000 We do that every time.

00:30:47.000 We do that all the time.

00:30:48.000 That's us dude.

00:30:49.000 I was like, almost every time we hang out, we end up talking MMA.

00:30:53.000 And like, it probably is fair that, yeah, there'll be moments where you'll correct me if I get something wrong.

00:30:58.000 But if I get it right, you don't go, you're not an expert.

00:30:58.000 So what?

00:31:01.000 Imagine we don't talk about MMA because you're not an expert. 0.97

00:31:05.000 It's so silly. 0.82

00:31:06.000 Well, I watch a lot of it. 0.97

00:31:07.000 I have some thoughts. 1.00

00:31:08.000 Why is he so silly? 0.97

00:31:09.000 I love Douglas. 0.99

00:31:11.000 I really do.

00:31:11.000 I've enjoyed talking to him.

00:31:12.000 I think he's a brilliant man.

00:31:13.000 But I was very disappointed with...

00:31:16.000 You've never been?

00:31:17.000 I'm very, very disappointed with that sort of strategy, that you shouldn't be talking about these things that are factual.

00:31:23.000 But even more disappointed with that notion, the notion that you would never talk about MMA with me.

00:31:28.000 You think we would.

00:31:29.000 First of all, I don't think I argue about MMA with anybody.

00:31:34.000 I don't think anybody.

00:31:35.000 If someone has a point about MMA, I never argue.

00:31:39.000 I might say I've gotten things wrong.

00:31:42.000 Yeah, or I might say I disagree.

00:31:44.000 Like, somebody, some people think that a certain thing is going to happen, and I'm like, ooh, I don't see that.

00:31:49.000 I disagree.

00:31:50.000 That happens.

00:31:52.000 Sure.

00:31:52.000 Yeah.

00:31:53.000 Well, also, like, it's whatever point you're making is either a good point or it's not a good point if it's like an objective claim.

00:32:01.000 You know what I mean?

00:32:02.000 So, like, if I, if I say, like, you know, when Volkanovsky fought Lopez, his jab was crucial.

00:32:09.000 Okay, that's either correct or it's incorrect.

00:32:11.000 Like, whether I'm an expert or not, I'm not an expert on fighting.

00:32:15.000 Geez, you could watch the fight and that would be correct.

00:32:17.000 So, but he does see it's right.

00:32:17.000 Yes, right.

00:32:18.000 I saw he hit a home run.

00:32:20.000 Yes, there you go.

00:32:20.000 You're right.

00:32:22.000 That was crazy.

00:32:22.000 Well, you know, it was a weird, a weird thing during that show was because it's a weird, I don't know, there's like weird incentives built into like all of this.

00:32:32.000 Incentives are the right word because there's a lot of people that are saying things and you go, why are you saying that?

00:32:37.000 Yeah.

00:32:38.000 Well, also, from my perspective, I was a little disappointed with it because I kind of thought, I was like, oh, this could be like a really cool thing.

00:32:44.000 And it had been literally, which I don't think I'm saying anything that is like betraying confidence here, but the only thing that was ever said to me, I remember you called me and you were like, what do you think about doing this?

00:32:54.000 And I think I said yes before you could finish answering the question.

00:32:57.000 Yes, absolutely.

00:32:58.000 Let's do that.

00:32:59.000 And then you told me that he had said, hey, he really doesn't want this to devolve into like a food fight.

00:33:08.000 He wants to make this like a good faith thing.

00:33:10.000 And I was like, oh, awesome.

00:33:12.000 And now I feel like he likes Trump Witkoff negotiated me.

00:33:16.000 Because then he came in and the whole thing was about me.

00:33:18.000 He didn't want to talk about the issues at all.

00:33:20.000 He just wanted, and so in a weird way, I was like, well, this sucks because I thought we could have had a really cool thing.

00:33:25.000 But then there was this other part of me that was like, I mean, he's really just handing this to me.

00:33:29.000 You know what I mean?

00:33:30.000 Like he kind of just like gave me the win in a thing that was a big show with like a, you know, a lot of people I knew were going to watch it.

00:33:38.000 I mean, obviously, every time I do your show, a lot of people are going to watch it, but that was a particularly big one.

00:33:43.000 And so I was kind of almost like for the first 45 minutes of it, I was kind of sitting there like, oh, I can't believe he just went this route.

00:33:43.000 Yeah.

00:33:51.000 Well, if you look at it objectively, there weren't a lot of options, right?

00:33:56.000 Yeah.

00:33:57.000 It's very difficult to argue the side that what they're doing, like we were talking about Gaza in particular.

00:34:04.000 Yeah.

00:34:04.000 Like the arguing that that's not horrific.

00:34:08.000 And if you're a human being and you recognize that there are human beings that are subjected to that government, just like you're subjected to ICE, you're subjected to Homeland Security.

00:34:21.000 You're subjected to the cops.

00:34:22.000 If you're a civilian, you have to listen to these orders.

00:34:25.000 So if you're living in Gaza and you're a child or you're a woman and you live, you're not Hamas.

00:34:31.000 Okay.

00:34:32.000 And the idea that you're responsible for October 7th, even if you're one of the people that cheered in the street, boy, don't you think you kind of have to cheer in the street if everybody else is cheering the street? 0.54

00:34:43.000 If you're fucking in terror for your life and you have to like keep your safety intact, like you got to kind of go along with whatever everybody else is doing.

00:34:52.000 I'm not saying that's good, but when you look at how that place is leveled, I mean, the most recent videos that I've seen were still like a few months old. 0.96

00:35:04.000 So I don't know if it stopped.

00:35:05.000 Did they stop bombing?

00:35:06.000 I don't know what's going on.

00:35:07.000 No, they've slowed down a bit, but they haven't stopped.

00:35:09.000 Okay.

00:35:10.000 There was nothing left, man.

00:35:12.000 And that represents people's homes.

00:35:14.000 That represents schools.

00:35:16.000 That represents hospitals.

00:35:18.000 There's no way you can argue that that's not horrific.

00:35:22.000 So he was stuck.

00:35:23.000 It's kind of indefensible.

00:35:23.000 That's right.

00:35:25.000 And so instead, you pivot to arguing against this guy rather than against the issue.

00:35:30.000 Well, I think that I can't remember if this was in the letter to America or this was in his declaration of war against America, but Osama bin Laden literally said that civilians are fair targets because you guys have elections and you vote for these politicians and they're the ones who conduct these wars that slaughter innocent Muslims. 0.64

00:35:54.000 So like just saying, it's the logic of Osama bin Laden to say that civilians are responsible for what.

00:36:00.000 And in Gaza, like they don't even really have a government.

00:36:03.000 Hamas is not a government. 0.55

00:36:04.000 They don't have regular elections.

00:36:05.000 They had one election back in 05 or 06 or whatever it was, which Hamas did not even win majorities of.

00:36:13.000 They won on pluralities.

00:36:14.000 You know what I mean?

00:36:15.000 And so the idea that you're holding these people responsible for Hamas just doesn't make any sense.

00:36:21.000 And just on a very basic human level, you just kind of go, and I'm not like an egalitarian.

00:36:27.000 I'm not saying all people are equal or all cultures are equal or anything like that. 0.99

00:36:31.000 But on a very basic human level, like those are real people too.

00:36:35.000 And when a mother is like pulling her six-year-old dead body out of the rubble, that's the same exact experience as if your wife was pulling your six-year-old out of there.

00:36:45.000 Like that same thing is happening to her.

00:36:48.000 And once you even just admit that, it does just change the calculation.

00:36:52.000 It changes the calculation to be like, okay, look, the onus is on you to demonstrate that this is absolutely necessary.

00:37:00.000 Like there is no other option than to do it this way.

00:37:03.000 And that makes defending most wars very difficult.

00:37:07.000 Not all of them, you know, but most wars are very difficult to defend if you just run it through that filter of like, is there any other option other than this?

00:37:16.000 Have you exhausted everything else?

00:37:18.000 And then, of course, in the case with Israel and Palestine, you go, oh, you never even tried to just give them their independence?

00:37:23.000 You've never tried to just let them out from this occupation and see if maybe that will improve things?

00:37:29.000 And it's no.

00:37:30.000 It's crazy that the world didn't at one point in time stand up and say, there's a simple solution here.

00:37:37.000 Like, these people should have a state.

00:37:39.000 Like, why do you get to control them, but they're not Israeli? 1.00

00:37:43.000 Like, they're kind of a country, but not really, because they're attached to you.

00:37:49.000 Yeah, it's people.

00:37:50.000 Why don't you guys go buy another country and give it to them and let them have a country? 1.00

00:37:55.000 Or they don't like being attached on the same small patch of dirt to people that have a totally different ideology, I guess.

00:38:02.000 Well, that's right.

00:38:03.000 And that, look, I mean, it's just.

00:38:05.000 But we are.

00:38:06.000 We have Canadians right there.

00:38:06.000 Yeah.

00:38:08.000 Yes, but Canadians do get citizenship in their own country.

00:38:12.000 They get citizenship here, too. 1.00

00:38:14.000 Boy, that's the last thing ICE is looking for is fucking Canadians. 1.00

00:38:17.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

00:38:18.000 Although, your visa's expired, and don't worry about it, buddy.

00:38:21.000 They'd probably have a much easier time.

00:38:21.000 Get on the plane.

00:38:23.000 Like, Canadians would go, all right, guess I got a goo. 1.00

00:38:25.000 Well, yeah.

00:38:26.000 Also, they can just ditch the accent and pretend they're Americans, and everybody will buy it. 0.80

00:38:31.000 Yeah, don't say a boat wrong.

00:38:33.000 Yeah.

00:38:34.000 You know, they could just say, aha, sorry, I don't have my license on me.

00:38:37.000 Yeah, like, okay, buddy, where are you from?

00:38:37.000 Yeah, that's true.

00:38:40.000 I live in Iowa.

00:38:41.000 That does check out.

00:38:41.000 Okay, sounds right.

00:38:42.000 Get out of here.

00:38:43.000 All right. 1.00

00:38:44.000 Shit, that does check. 1.00

00:38:45.000 Do you see the shit that's going on in the airports? 1.00

00:38:46.000 So are they using ICE now at the airports? 0.99

00:38:51.000 Because, first of all, how many ICE agents are there?

00:38:53.000 Aren't they busy?

00:38:55.000 How do you have time to put them in all the airports? 0.99

00:38:56.000 How many fucking airports? 0.99

00:38:57.000 It's in the low tens of thousands. 1.00

00:38:59.000 There's not that many of them.

00:39:00.000 So like, how many airports are there?

00:39:00.000 Right.

00:39:02.000 There's a lot of airports.

00:39:03.000 Okay, so you're putting ice in the airports.

00:39:06.000 Where are you getting all these ice guys?

00:39:07.000 Are you hiring new ICE guys to take the airport jobs?

00:39:11.000 Did you just like it takes seven weeks to train them?

00:39:14.000 So do they have like a surplus of like an ice factory where they're churning them out and putting them out there?

00:39:19.000 I heard.

00:39:20.000 So I didn't see any of them.

00:39:21.000 I flew out here the other day and I didn't see any of them.

00:39:24.000 But then I did see people saying that they were at the airport I flew out from later that day.

00:39:28.000 Up to 150.

00:39:30.000 That's not a lot.

00:39:31.000 Immigration and customs enforcement officers were deployed at airports across the United States on Monday.

00:39:36.000 So I, of course, you know, you get on social media, somebody sends you something, and somebody sent me something.

00:39:42.000 I'm not sure it was true.

00:39:43.000 But it was like, look at the difference between the lines at the airport before ICE was there and after ICE was there, and tell me that only 10 million illegal aliens got in.

00:39:57.000 They're like, what is the real?

00:39:59.000 We were talking about this last night.

00:40:00.000 Like, what's the real number?

00:40:03.000 What is the real number of illegals in the United States?

00:40:06.000 You were saying something about Ann Coulter.

00:40:06.000 We don't know.

00:40:08.000 Yeah, well, she had, and this was from a while ago.

00:40:11.000 So this was, well, she had, she had in her book, Adios America, she had, I believe it was from Bear Stearns.

00:40:19.000 Double check now.

00:40:19.000 I could be wrong.

00:40:20.000 That was one of the big finance companies that they had put a thing where they put it between like 30 and 50 million total in the country.

00:40:29.000 And 50 is why. 0.87

00:40:31.000 And this is before Joe Biden and them.

00:40:31.000 Yeah.

00:40:33.000 Maybe they got those numbers.

00:40:33.000 Now, I don't know.

00:40:35.000 This is before Biden.

00:40:36.000 So what year was this book?

00:40:37.000 I want to say 2014, 2015.

00:40:40.000 Oh, my God.

00:40:41.000 That's 10 years ago.

00:40:42.000 Yeah.

00:40:44.000 A lot of them have come in since then.

00:40:45.000 Well, at least 10 million, they believe came in through the Biden administration.

00:40:49.000 So over four years.

00:40:51.000 Well, I remember the numbers being like during the Biden administration where they'd be like, it was something like last month there were 700,000 border apprehensions.

00:41:00.000 And you're like, well, geez, then how many were just floating?

00:41:03.000 And you'd see those big caravans coming in and stuff.

00:41:05.000 I mean, look, it's a huge, that still is a huge scandal.

00:41:10.000 And as much as I have really been really criticizing Trump and the Trump administration since last summer, you know, he's done a good job in securing the border.

00:41:21.000 That is the one thing that you kind of got to give him.

00:41:23.000 And he got that secured right away.

00:41:25.000 But it is, even if you think that it should be open and those people should be able to travel freely, they should.

00:41:33.000 There's no one's illegal on stolen land. 0.99

00:41:35.000 That kind of shit. 1.00

00:41:37.000 You know how much sex trafficking happened during that time of children? 1.00

00:41:40.000 You know how many children were trafficked that way?

00:41:42.000 You know how many children were dragged across the border and sold to psychopaths?

00:41:47.000 Oh, yeah.

00:41:47.000 Oh, it's horrible.

00:41:49.000 I mean, I saw, oh, there's Ann Coulter with at least 15.

00:41:52.000 At least 50 million illegals in the country today.

00:41:55.000 See my book, Adios America, for the analysis from Pulitzer Prize-winning reporters and numbers crunchers from Bear Stars.

00:42:02.000 It was Bear Star.

00:42:02.000 I was right.

00:42:03.000 This is 2022, this post.

00:42:05.000 The book is even older, though.

00:42:05.000 Wow.

00:42:07.000 The book is like, the book is from before, I want to say 2015, but it's around then.

00:42:12.000 Is crazy.

00:42:15.000 That's crazy.

00:42:16.000 Supposedly, this is the book that got Donald Trump on the immigration issue.

00:42:23.000 At least I've heard Ann Coulter say that before.

00:42:25.000 Maybe that's right.

00:42:26.000 Maybe that's not right.

00:42:28.000 But yeah, I mean, look, it's like, it's also a particularly, it's a profound act of treachery for a government to do that to its own country.

00:42:42.000 Like to allow that and really facilitate that to happen against the will of the domestic population.

00:42:48.000 Like if you were to, I've tried to look this up before.

00:42:51.000 I was trying to figure this out because I did a big immigration debate last year or maybe the year before.

00:42:55.000 And I was trying, you can't even get numbers on what the polling on open borders is because no one even asked the question in polling because it's like they asked like, do you think immigration policy should be less restrictive or more restrictive?

00:43:08.000 Because the number of people who support open borders, it's like maybe 1% of the country supports that.

00:43:13.000 It's as unified an issue as anyone could have.

00:43:15.000 No, you can't just have the border wide open.

00:43:18.000 And so to do that to the American people against their will, like you, you drastically change the country in a way that is not really, it's not easy to just undo.

00:43:29.000 I mean, as we've seen, right, Donald Trump backed off of mass deportations almost immediately because big business doesn't want it.

00:43:36.000 And then because, look, like the level of violence that you'd need to just physically deport 50 million people is going to be something that the American people just aren't going to put up with.

00:43:46.000 I mean, you even see in Minnesota.

00:43:48.000 And rightfully so.

00:43:49.000 I completely understand it.

00:43:51.000 But you see, like, you know, I saw one thing.

00:43:53.000 I saw that Trump had asked the ICE agents who were going to the airports to not wear their masks.

00:43:59.000 And I was like, is that even a, that's even an option?

00:44:02.000 Why would they be masked in the airport?

00:44:04.000 Because they're ICE agents because they can get doxxed.

00:44:06.000 Well, that's their concern.

00:44:07.000 And look, I understand that.

00:44:08.000 That's a real concern.

00:44:09.000 I understand that concern.

00:44:10.000 But at the same time, you know, there is a balancing act there.

00:44:14.000 And, you know, a lot of people, like a lot of right-wingers, will say, hey, look, if you're, you know, if you came here illegally, then that's a crime.

00:44:20.000 You're here illegally. 0.98

00:44:21.000 That's the law.

00:44:22.000 And hey, I get that argument.

00:44:24.000 But also, the supreme law of the land is the Constitution of the United States of America.

00:44:28.000 And I've seen a ton of videos where there were masked ICE agents not even identifying themselves, going up to people, telling them that you have to answer my questions.

00:44:37.000 You don't have an option to walk away, which is like not true.

00:44:40.000 That was my take on it: is that you can't accept people that are masked, that don't have any paperwork, that don't have a warrant on the streets in militarized situations. 0.97

00:44:51.000 Because if they're using it for this, which you agree to, that opens up the door for them to use it because you won't take your vaccine or because you did this or did that or whatever the fuck it is. 0.86

00:45:02.000 If a different person gets in power, maybe they're going to use it for something you don't support.

00:45:07.000 It's just not something you're supposed to accept.

00:45:09.000 That's right.

00:45:09.000 You don't want to accept that.

00:45:10.000 Something that someone told me that is, this is a very credible source that I cannot reveal what the source is.

00:45:16.000 But they told me that there are people in this country, and not just a few, but many, many that are affiliated with terrorist organizations, directly affiliated, but they've applied for asylum.

00:45:32.000 And because they've applied for asylum, you can't deport them until they go through the entire process.

00:45:38.000 That is wild.

00:45:39.000 That is wild.

00:45:40.000 So there's people that are known at least terrorist sympathizers.

00:45:44.000 They're in direct communication with terrorist networks.

00:45:48.000 They've done things with terrorist networks and they've applied for asylum.

00:45:53.000 So you have to go through this long ass process through the legal system. 0.98

00:45:58.000 And it's up to a judge whether or not this person who may or may not be a part of a fucking sleeper cell gets to stay in America. 0.99

00:46:08.000 Suicidal empathy. 0.99

00:46:08.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:46:10.000 That's what Gad Saad calls it.

00:46:11.000 You know, I think he's right.

00:46:13.000 I think he's got a fair point there with suicidal empathy in terms of the idea of like that we that we cannot say on some level that it's like, no, look,

00:46:24.000 we have a desire to preserve our society and we want to do what's bad.

00:46:29.000 And we don't have to, out of some feeling of guilt, turn our country into something worse than what it otherwise would be.

00:46:35.000 So I think he's got a point there.

00:46:36.000 I think, and look, I'm not a big fan of Gad.

00:46:39.000 He literally just, him and like Sam Harris and a few others, they literally just trash me all the time and refuse to engage on a single thing I've said.

00:46:48.000 So like it'll just he calls me Wikipedia Dave on Twitter.

00:46:54.000 And it's a well look, I like the guy.

00:46:56.000 Look, I have a different relationship with him than you do.

00:46:58.000 Well, that's true.

00:46:59.000 And I'm a big critic of Israel and he's a Mossad agent.

00:47:01.000 So there is that.

00:47:02.000 That is part of.

00:47:03.000 You think he is?

00:47:04.000 He's admitted that he worked for Mossad.

00:47:06.000 In the past?

00:47:07.000 I guess he would say he's not currently.

00:47:07.000 Yes.

00:47:07.000 Yeah.

00:47:09.000 Like I used to.

00:47:09.000 He's retired.

00:47:10.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:47:11.000 I used to work for Newport Creamery.

00:47:12.000 I don't represent them anymore.

00:47:13.000 I think it's a little bit different with the Mossad thing.

00:47:16.000 But I also think that the big component that I think all of those guys are missing is that we also create more enemies with our foreign policy.

00:47:27.000 And that's not to say that, like, you know, they always kind of caricature my position on this.

00:47:34.000 Like, I'm not saying Islam is all peaceful and there are no problems in the Islamic world or anything like that.

00:47:39.000 In fact, I don't think any religion has truly always been peaceful.

00:47:45.000 But, you know, for guys like, say, like Sam Harris, who these kind of like pretend intellectuals who have spent, he spent his entire career talking about how violent and irrational the Muslims are and how you can't even draw a cartoon of Muhammad or Muslims want to do violent stuff. 0.97

00:48:04.000 And like, hey, fair enough. 0.99

00:48:05.000 That's bullshit. 0.99

00:48:06.000 And we should all say like, if you want to be over here in the West, our values are free speech and you cannot kill people for cartoons. 0.99

00:48:13.000 But then like none of them ever also go, hey, you know, murdering an Ayatollah might be dangerous during Ramadan. 0.70

00:48:24.000 Yeah.

00:48:25.000 Like that is, you know, that is not just a political figure to Shiite Muslims.

00:48:29.000 That is a, so at the same time, it's like, okay, I'm fine with saying, okay, you don't want to have suicidal empathy.

00:48:38.000 My buddy Keith Knight, who's brilliant, works over at the Libertarian Institute.

00:48:42.000 He had, I forget what he said, but he said something like, okay, I don't want to have suicidal empathy.

00:48:47.000 Let's also not have homicidal empathy, you know?

00:48:50.000 And so like, maybe it also is, like, as we were tying into that whole conversation with, no, I'm okay, thanks.

00:48:56.000 With the whole thing about the kids and women in Gaza, it's like, it's also the fact that if you just view slaughtering Muslim children in the Middle East and in Northern Africa as like just an acceptable political price,

00:49:13.000 you know, that's just collateral damage.

00:49:15.000 And unfortunately, that happens when we pursue this policy.

00:49:18.000 You're going to deal with more and more of that.

00:49:21.000 And the combination of both, Joe, like the combination of having open borders, having all these people get in and continuing the war on terrorism and slaughtering people in these numbers must be the most insane combination ever.

00:49:34.000 The idea that you'd be like, we're going to, you know, we're going to just make an entire generation of Muslims hate us because so many of them have seen what we've done to their countries. 0.95

00:49:44.000 And also, we'll welcome all of them in with no checks and we can't get rid of them when they come here.

00:49:48.000 That is quite a combination.

00:49:49.000 Yeah, it's all nuts.

00:49:51.000 It's the Sam Harris thing.

00:49:54.000 I should clarify this because he's apparently talked about me again recently on Bill Maher.

00:49:59.000 We didn't not talk because it was his idea.

00:50:03.000 It was me.

00:50:05.000 He wanted to do a podcast with me.

00:50:07.000 He wanted to do like a COVID wrap-up, like to go over everything that happened, all the mistakes that were made and his position, my position, because that's where we kind of separated.

00:50:21.000 He was very pro-vaccine.

00:50:25.000 I said, I won't do that until you talk to Brett Weinstein, that you need to talk to Brett.

00:50:31.000 Like, Brett, you disparaged him publicly.

00:50:36.000 I think you said things that weren't correct.

00:50:38.000 You called him a conspiracy theorist and you said you wouldn't platform him because it's dangerous.

00:50:42.000 I don't believe that's true.

00:50:44.000 I believe the problem is that Sam was incorrect about both the effectiveness and the safety of the COVID vaccines.

00:50:52.000 Brett was correct.

00:50:54.000 And Brett didn't insult Sam.

00:50:57.000 I mean, Brett said things about Sam since, but it was Sam.

00:50:57.000 Sam insulted Brett.

00:51:02.000 And I said, look, you got to talk to him first.

00:51:04.000 You can't just talk to me, you know, especially because he's an actual evolutionary biologist.

00:51:09.000 Like, he understands these things.

00:51:12.000 He knows what he's talking about.

00:51:14.000 He's had multiple conversations with high-level vaccinologists and all these different people that worked on the RNA vaccines.

00:51:23.000 Like, he was correct. 0.86

00:51:24.000 We all know that now.

00:51:26.000 We know that all the things that he was talking about, whether it's masking doesn't work, social distancing, the lockdowns, all the above.

00:51:36.000 All the above.

00:51:37.000 He didn't want to talk to Brett.

00:51:39.000 And I said, that doesn't make sense to me.

00:51:40.000 Like, you talk to everybody.

00:51:41.000 You have debates with Muslims on stage.

00:51:44.000 That's right.

00:51:45.000 Like, why wouldn't you talk to Brett?

00:51:45.000 That doesn't make any sense.

00:51:47.000 I don't think he wanted to talk to Brett because I think he didn't want to talk to Brett because Brett's right.

00:51:54.000 I think it's indefensible.

00:51:55.000 No, I completely agree.

00:51:56.000 I mean, you know, I had a...

00:51:58.000 By the way, I don't hate Sam. 1.00

00:51:59.000 You know, he could say all the crazy shit he wants. 0.99

00:52:01.000 He also said, like, I don't think you should interview Gaddafi. 1.00

00:52:04.000 Guess what?

00:52:05.000 If Gaddafi was alive, 100% I would interview Gaddafi.

00:52:05.000 I would.

00:52:09.000 Gaddafi.

00:52:09.000 Do you ever hear Russell Crowe talk about Gaddafi?

00:52:12.000 I don't think so.

00:52:13.000 He did a clip that went viral that was on this show where he talked about why they wanted to get rid of Gaddafi.

00:52:19.000 And like, well, they talked about how evil Gaddafi was and how he subjugated his people.

00:52:19.000 Right.

00:52:25.000 You can't see if you can find that.

00:52:26.000 Russell Crowe on Gaddafi.

00:52:30.000 He wanted to create a United States of Africa.

00:52:34.000 He wanted to get him on the gold standard.

00:52:35.000 He wanted to get him off the U.S. dollar.

00:52:38.000 He had some very dangerous ideas.

00:52:41.000 Now, he also supported Palestinian resistance.

00:52:43.000 Yeah, that was it.

00:52:44.000 I could find those sound things. 1.00

00:52:47.000 God damn it. 0.99

00:52:49.000 There's no sound thing in there? 1.00

00:52:50.000 Oh, there it is.

00:52:52.000 Here it is.

00:52:55.000 We are taught, for example, to regard Gaddafi in a certain way.

00:52:59.000 But if you look into what happened in his country while he was the leader, you look into the fact that every person is given a house at a certain age.

00:53:11.000 You look at the fact that everybody's education and health care is free.

00:53:15.000 You look at if somebody showed a particular talent for something that required further education overseas, all of the costs of that were paid for by the government.

00:53:25.000 Now, these are all things put in place by the same country's leader that we're told is evil and corrupt.

00:53:35.000 Yeah.

00:53:36.000 So it doesn't quite balance.

00:53:39.000 Well, there's also U.S. government interference.

00:53:45.000 That is one that we definitely monkeyed with.

00:53:47.000 I mean, he ran afoul of the United States government.

00:53:51.000 We are taught, for example.

00:53:52.000 There was the famous clip with Hillary, which I showed a friend of mine the other day that he hadn't seen it and he couldn't believe it was real.

00:53:59.000 She was on this show, and she gets unconfirmed information first that they got Gaddafi, and then she gets confirmed that he's dead.

00:54:07.000 And she goes, we came, we saw he died.

00:54:12.000 She was so excited about it.

00:54:14.000 But laughing.

00:54:15.000 And then that led to Libya, at least for a while, becoming a failed state.

00:54:20.000 Oh, it still is.

00:54:21.000 It still is this whole time, man.

00:54:22.000 It's been a disaster.

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00:55:22.000 And you know, the thing is that they called that Hillary's War.

00:55:26.000 She really, she was the Secretary of State at the time under Barack Obama, but she's really the one who championed that.

00:55:30.000 And I believe Obama wrote in his book that he was 50-50 and that Hillary really pushed him to that.

00:55:36.000 And he said his big regret was that he didn't think about what came next after Gaddafi.

00:55:40.000 Because I wonder why somehow we haven't learned that lesson yet.

00:55:43.000 Like after Iraq, you'd never thought of that.

00:55:47.000 But thank God Trump's figured it out.

00:55:48.000 Oh, yeah.

00:55:50.000 Trump's figured it out.

00:55:51.000 We'll go in this drastic new direction of getting the seventh war that they want to do. 1.00

00:55:55.000 Don't be a pussy, Dave. 1.00

00:55:56.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00

00:55:57.000 Did you see that one?

00:55:58.000 I don't know what military expert was on television who said something about we need to, I'm a fan of boots on the ground like Rome. 0.99

00:56:06.000 Like, hey, fucker, Rome didn't have nuclear weapons and drones. 0.99

00:56:10.000 Rome didn't have drones that hunt you. 1.00

00:56:13.000 Yeah.

00:56:13.000 Are we talking about boots on the ground?

00:56:14.000 Should we fight with swords?

00:56:15.000 Should we get everybody to fight with swords?

00:56:17.000 Is that what you're saying? 1.00

00:56:18.000 The fuck are you saying? 0.99

00:56:19.000 Well, also, like, what even is the plan with boots on the ground? 1.00

00:56:24.000 Like, what are you talking about here?

00:56:26.000 You're gonna take an island?

00:56:26.000 You're gonna, I know.

00:56:28.000 It goes, okay, well, then you're gonna be a target.

00:56:30.000 You're gonna be target practice as long as the Iranian regime is still standing. 0.98

00:56:33.000 And if you're talking about militarily occupying the country, like we did with Iraq or Afghanistan or something like that, this is a huge country with 92 million people.

00:56:42.000 How many soldiers do you think you need to occupy that country?

00:56:46.000 At least half a million?

00:56:47.000 And probably you can't do it with that.

00:56:49.000 So what are you talking about here?

00:56:51.000 And so you're saying, are we going to start a draft for the least popular war going in in American history?

00:56:57.000 Because I don't think that's happening.

00:56:59.000 Yeah, this is maybe slightly more popular than Vietnam.

00:57:04.000 Going in, it's less.

00:57:06.000 I'm sure Vietnam by the end was very, very unpopular.

00:57:09.000 Well, Vietnam going in didn't make any sense, did it? 0.95

00:57:12.000 There was, I guess, the Gulf of Tonkin incident.

00:57:15.000 Most people in America were like, why are we doing this?

00:57:18.000 What's going on?

00:57:19.000 You're drafting people to go to Vietnam.

00:57:22.000 We're fighting communism in Vietnam.

00:57:25.000 What?

00:57:25.000 Well, they called it Vietnam syndrome that the American people had, which is that we didn't want to fight a war again after that.

00:57:25.000 Yeah.

00:57:34.000 From their perspective, that's a syndrome.

00:57:37.000 And it's really something.

00:57:39.000 They think, by the way, Ben Shapiro used this same line called, he said, Trump finally broke Iraq war syndrome.

00:57:46.000 Because they think, see, from Ben Shapiro's perspective, the illness is after you lie the American people into a war and slaughter a million people.

00:57:56.000 The illness isn't that.

00:57:58.000 You might look at that as the bad part, but the bad part is that these annoying Americans have this tendency to not want to do that again after that. 0.53

00:58:07.000 But he claims Trump has broken Iraq war syndrome.

00:58:11.000 Of course, there's really no evidence with support of the American people that that has changed at all.

00:58:16.000 And, you know, George H.W. Bush was said to have defeated Vietnam war syndrome in Panama and in Iraq because they were relatively easy, you know, bloodless on the American side or very,

00:58:32.000 very limited, you know, injuries and deaths.

00:58:37.000 And they, you know, they weren't like quagmires that went on forever or whatever.

00:58:41.000 But, of course, after the Persian Gulf War in 92, we went on to be bombing Iraq for ever since, essentially. 0.96

00:58:52.000 You know, I mean, for 30 straight years after that, we were still at war with that country.

00:58:56.000 I think for a million people being dead.

00:58:58.000 What is public support?

00:59:00.000 Let's put that into our sponsor perplexity.

00:59:02.000 What is current public support for the Iran war in America?

00:59:08.000 And first of all, how will they know?

00:59:09.000 No one's asked me.

00:59:11.000 That's a fair thing.

00:59:11.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:59:12.000 That's what I would say about polls.

00:59:15.000 When was the last time you answered a poll?

00:59:16.000 When was the last time anybody called you up and said, Dave, first of all, when's the last time you ever picked up the phone if you didn't know who was calling?

00:59:22.000 And then when you do answer, when was the last time you said yes to a poll?

00:59:25.000 I don't even remember ever getting called. 1.00

00:59:27.000 It has to be the dumbest of dumb people that answer those polls. 1.00

00:59:31.000 So then you got to realize, out of those stupid fucking idiots, even how many of them think the war is a good idea? 1.00

00:59:39.000 It's even unpopular amongst them. 1.00

00:59:42.000 I mean, what does it say here?

00:59:44.000 Most recent national polls show Americans overall oppose the current war with Iran and think U.S. military action has gone too far.

00:59:52.000 A Quinnipac poll finds 54%.

00:59:55.000 What is Quinnipak?

00:59:56.000 Quinnipayak?

00:59:57.000 Poll finds 54% of U.S. voters oppose U.S. military action against Iran, and 39% support it.

01:00:05.000 I wonder how many of those 39% are.

01:00:10.000 Well, not too much.

01:00:11.000 We don't have the numbers.

01:00:12.000 A poll reports about six in.

01:00:13.000 Right.

01:00:14.000 What is the number of Jewish people in America?

01:00:16.000 2%?

01:00:17.000 Something like that?

01:00:19.000 Six in 10 adults say U.S. military action against Iran has gone too far.

01:00:23.000 Only about a quarter say it's been about right.

01:00:26.000 25%.

01:00:27.000 PUFA.

01:00:28.000 First of all, you know, whenever you're talking about these kind of things, it's like, who, again, who are we talking about?

01:00:36.000 Who was asked?

01:00:38.000 Finds Republicans largely support the military action around 86% support.

01:00:43.000 Whoa.

01:00:45.000 Yeah, really?

01:00:46.000 Because I talk to a lot of Republicans who think it's a terrible idea.

01:00:49.000 While large majorities of Democrats, around 92%, and Independents, about 64%, oppose it. 0.98

01:00:56.000 92%, who are the 8% of Democrats that are like, let's fucking go. 0.99

01:01:01.000 You think maybe they're Jews. 0.99

01:01:03.000 They work for CNN.

01:01:05.000 CNN thinks it's a good idea?

01:01:07.000 No.

01:01:07.000 Dude, CNN is running cover for Donald Trump during the time.

01:01:11.000 Come on.

01:01:12.000 For real?

01:01:13.000 Oh, yeah.

01:01:13.000 No way.

01:01:14.000 Yeah, they put up a poll the other day.

01:01:15.000 They had a graphic that said 100% of MAGA supports the war in Iran.

01:01:21.000 It's like after all these years.

01:01:24.000 He's going to say he liked it or something like that.

01:01:25.000 Oh, but hold on a second.

01:01:27.000 Is that running cover or is that making them look bad?

01:01:31.000 Because most Americans don't support the war and most Democrats, 92%, don't support the war. 0.99

01:01:37.000 So if that's the case, wouldn't that just make it look like these MAGA people are a fucking problem? 0.99

01:01:42.000 I guess. 1.00

01:01:43.000 Oh, my God.

01:01:44.000 MAGA GOP view of Trump.

01:01:46.000 Can I hear how he says it?

01:01:47.000 Or would it be a problem?

01:01:49.000 It's not him talking.

01:01:50.000 It's someone else talking.

01:01:51.000 Okay.

01:01:52.000 That seems bonkers.

01:01:54.000 That seems bonkers.

01:01:55.000 Approve 100%.

01:01:56.000 How many people did you ask?

01:01:57.000 Two.

01:01:58.000 Two guys with MEGA hats on the bottom.

01:02:00.000 If you notice the way they say this, right?

01:02:01.000 So they don't just say GOP voters.

01:02:03.000 They say MAGA GOP voters.

01:02:06.000 And so what they're doing here is that they're filtering who they consider to be MAGA and who they consider to be MAGA are the people who still say they support Donald Trump.

01:02:16.000 But 100% of the people who don't support this war stopped supporting Donald Trump over it.

01:02:21.000 Right, but look at this little thing on the bottom.

01:02:23.000 They don't show you.

01:02:24.000 66%, 31% split amongst non-MAGA.

01:02:29.000 Right.

01:02:29.000 And is that non-MAGA Republicans?

01:02:32.000 Is that what you're saying?

01:02:33.000 No, I think that's non-MAGA Americans, I believe. 0.63

01:02:36.000 The whole MAGA thing.

01:02:38.000 It's like, how did we're so fractioned as it is?

01:02:41.000 Like this whole idea of right versus left as it is, and now you've got a MAGA section of the right. 0.97

01:02:46.000 It's all just ridiculous, dude.

01:02:48.000 But it's a way to describe it as anything other than what it is, which is the most unpopular war in American history going into it. 0.90

01:02:53.000 And for good reason.

01:02:54.000 Look, dude, he didn't even bother to sell us on a propaganda campaign about it.

01:02:59.000 It was like the laziest, like, just lie.

01:03:02.000 Just lie us into it.

01:03:03.000 Let's put it. 1.00

01:03:04.000 Put on a fucking firm tinfoil hat right now. 0.99

01:03:08.000 Let's get a double layer Reynolds wrap, fucking crease the edges, fold it down. 0.99

01:03:16.000 Why would he want to do this? 0.98

01:03:18.000 Why would he want to?

01:03:20.000 Look, I am not denying that the regime of Iran is a giant problem. 1.00

01:03:26.000 I am certainly not denying that if I was Israel, I would not want them there. 1.00

01:03:30.000 They hate you.

01:03:30.000 They're trying to get a nuclear weapon.

01:03:31.000 They're right there.

01:03:33.000 I get the Israel position.

01:03:34.000 I totally understand how they're so just vehemently in defense of their homeland.

01:03:42.000 Like, they're surrounded by people that hate them.

01:03:43.000 They're the one Jewish country. 0.98

01:03:45.000 Everyone else is a Muslim. 0.99

01:03:47.000 They all want a caliphate.

01:03:48.000 They don't want to kill them.

01:03:49.000 It's been going on forever.

01:03:50.000 They think it's in God's word that they have it.

01:03:53.000 It's a lot of craziness.

01:03:55.000 I get it.

01:03:59.000 Why now?

01:04:01.000 Like, why now?

01:04:02.000 Like, does that make any sense?

01:04:05.000 Well, Trump himself has said, which literally this would be like considered an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory if anyone else had said it.

01:04:14.000 But Donald Trump has openly talked about many times how the Edelsons give him all this money and they come by every day and all they have is another demand on behalf of Israel.

01:04:25.000 Donald Trump also, very early in his political career, got in trouble with the Israel lobby and then immediately pivoted to blaming, to winning their favor back over by saying he would tear up the JCPOA,

01:04:39.000 the Iran deal that Obama got us into.

01:04:42.000 And it looks to me, you know, there's speculation aside, who knows exactly what control they have over the guy.

01:04:50.000 But it looks to me that after Venezuela and when there were these big street protests and riots against the regime and Iran there, that they convinced Trump, and this is what Joe Kent, his director of counterterrorism, has said too,

01:05:05.000 that they essentially convinced him that this would be the time you could do it swiftly, surgically remove the regime, and the people would rise up and overthrow it.

01:05:16.000 And this is what Donald Trump said when he launched this war.

01:05:19.000 He said, this is a regime change, and I'm calling on the great people of Iran to rise up.

01:05:23.000 And they did.

01:05:24.000 They rose up by at least the hundreds of thousands they were out in Tehran in defense of the regime chanting death to America.

01:05:32.000 Because it turns out, when you kill 165 little girls, that doesn't make a country go, we love you.

01:05:41.000 Thank you.

01:05:42.000 Right, but before the bombing, there were people in the streets that were protesting.

01:05:46.000 And people were killed because of that.

01:05:48.000 A lot.

01:05:49.000 That's the other thing, is that that regime is like they clamp down and they do it with public figures.

01:05:55.000 They killed a very prominent wrestler from Iran.

01:05:58.000 Two of them.

01:05:59.000 They killed one a few years back.

01:06:01.000 The UFC tried to step in and somehow or other stop it, but he was also one that was accused of protesting against the government.

01:06:08.000 Listen, I don't know about this most recent one.

01:06:10.000 I'm not saying this is true at all.

01:06:11.000 I don't trust any governments, but they claimed he killed a few cops.

01:06:16.000 That's what the Iranian regime said he was being hung for.

01:06:19.000 Now, I don't know.

01:06:20.000 The wrestler?

01:06:21.000 Yeah, the wrestler.

01:06:22.000 Well, I didn't say that.

01:06:22.000 He was convicted of that, whatever that means in a mullah-run court.

01:06:28.000 So I'm not saying that's right at all.

01:06:30.000 But I will say this, right?

01:06:32.000 Donald Trump, when he launched this war, and there's been a whole lot of just false claims that have been made, but he said specifically that they killed 32,000 protesters.

01:06:45.000 There has not been a shred of evidence presented to back up this claim.

01:06:50.000 Now, I'm not saying it's not true.

01:06:52.000 I'm not putting it past this government that they would do that.

01:06:56.000 And they've acknowledged that a lot of people have died.

01:06:58.000 I think they, I think the last I had seen was that I know they were saying the government of Iran is before the Ayatollah was killed.

01:07:06.000 They were saying it was something like 3,000 people had died.

01:07:09.000 And then the CIA.

01:07:11.000 But when you say died, does it mean they killed the protest?

01:07:13.000 Well, that's unclear.

01:07:14.000 That's not what they are claiming.

01:07:15.000 But then the CIA, at least there was a piece in the Washington, excuse me, in the Wall Street Journal where they had said, and this was like a week and a half into it, that they estimated like 6,500 or something like that.

01:07:26.000 But this is a huge question, right?

01:07:27.000 And it's not clear at all.

01:07:29.000 Like, were they lining people up and just executing them for the crime of protesting?

01:07:34.000 They hung the wrestler. 0.99

01:07:35.000 But I'm saying the people who have been killed here.

01:07:38.000 Iran protest death toll could top 30,000, according to local health officials.

01:07:45.000 And this is from Time magazine.

01:07:47.000 As many as 30,000 people could have been killed in the streets of Iran on January 8th and 9th alone.

01:07:53.000 Two senior officials of the country's Ministry of Health told Time, indicating a dramatic surge in the death toll.

01:07:58.000 So many people were slaughtered by Iranian security services that Thursday and Friday it overwhelmed the state's capacity to dispose of the dead.

01:08:07.000 Stocks of body bags were exhausted, the officials said, and 18-wheel semi-trailers replaced ambulances.

01:08:15.000 Now, listen, all I'm saying here, man, is that you've got to be ⁇ I've just seen this movie play out a lot of times.

01:08:20.000 You've got to be really careful about these accusations that are made in the run-up to a war.

01:08:24.000 They're basically saying we have a source who told us this.

01:08:27.000 What year was this?

01:08:28.000 I mean, excuse me, what date was this?

01:08:29.000 January 25th.

01:08:30.000 January 25th.

01:08:31.000 So the protests started in late December and then in January, this is what we're going to do.

01:08:35.000 Time was unable to independently verify these figures.

01:08:39.000 That's right.

01:08:39.000 Listen, the claim being made here, right, is that, look, in this place, they said in two days, in two days, 30,000 people were killed.

01:08:48.000 If that is true, that is up there with one of the biggest massacres in human history.

01:08:53.000 The biggest massacres during World War II were like around that.

01:08:57.000 As of Saturday, U.S.-based human rights activist news agency had confirmed 5,459 deaths and is investigating 17,000 more.

01:09:08.000 Yes.

01:09:08.000 So that's at least close.

01:09:10.000 So we're in the neighborhood.

01:09:11.000 We're in the 20s just if what they're investigating turns out to be accurate.

01:09:16.000 If that's the case, but we're talking also here, Joe, about like NED-funded U.S.-based NGOs who are really around hawks, you know?

01:09:25.000 And so, and I'm just saying, like, look, the claim, the claim here is that around, you know, I saw a bunch of the Zionists online when this was first coming out back in January.

01:09:34.000 They were like, oh, my God, they've already killed half as many people as died in Gaza in just a couple days.

01:09:40.000 And you're like, right, that's a pretty, that's a hell of a claim, right?

01:09:44.000 I mean, like, if you, just from following wars all these years, if you started carpet bombing Tehran, Vietnam style, carpet bombing Tehran, after two days, that's the type of death toll you'd be looking at.

01:09:56.000 Well, so the thing is, we don't, they don't have internet access to the state.

01:09:59.000 Well, they shut down the internet during that period.

01:10:01.000 But there were pictures that came out.

01:10:03.000 All I'm saying is that if you had numbers like that, you would expect there to be some evidence that you could point to.

01:10:09.000 And there's like one picture where they've pointed to like a couple dozen body bags and been like, see, look at this.

01:10:15.000 But look, maybe it's true.

01:10:17.000 Maybe it's not.

01:10:17.000 I'm very skeptical of these claims when they're made right before we launch a war.

01:10:21.000 But I think the other point is that at least according, and there has been some evidence of this, right?

01:10:27.000 There were police stations that were burned.

01:10:29.000 There were mosques that were attacked.

01:10:31.000 These were not just peaceful protests.

01:10:34.000 I'm not saying they don't have a right to violently rise up and overthrow their government, whatever.

01:10:38.000 But all the hawks in the West were saying these people are trying to overthrow their government.

01:10:43.000 Not only that, in the past, our agencies, our intelligence agencies, have engaged in nefarious practices where we have conscripted certain people to go and light things on fire and blow things up and create these events.

01:11:02.000 Front page of the Jerusalem Post, they were bragging that there was Mossad within the protests.

01:11:07.000 So now, look, I don't know, but also the thing is this, right? 0.84

01:11:11.000 You are trying to overthrow a government, a government will kill you for doing that.

01:11:16.000 And that's true about every government, including our own, including our own.

01:11:20.000 If armed protesters went to try to overthrow Barack Obama's government, he would kill those people if they were actually a threat to them.

01:11:27.000 Ashley Babbitt was murdered January 6th.

01:11:30.000 And every single left-winger in the country went, well, that's okay.

01:11:33.000 It was an insurrection.

01:11:35.000 And by the way, every single right-winger in this country, when this Predi guy got killed, were like, well, he was interfering. 0.92

01:11:41.000 Oh, I saw it.

01:11:42.000 But by the way, the Predi thing was the most textbook example of a bad shooting.

01:11:46.000 There's just no defending it.

01:11:48.000 They had disarmed the guy.

01:11:49.000 He's down.

01:11:50.000 There's six of them.

01:11:51.000 They panic. 0.96

01:11:51.000 They put six bullets in him. 0.96

01:11:53.000 Do you know what happened though?

01:11:54.000 Do you know the whole story of the gun?

01:11:56.000 The gun being removed?

01:11:58.000 Yeah.

01:11:58.000 Do you know the whole story about the gun?

01:11:59.000 No.

01:12:00.000 Okay.

01:12:00.000 The gun is a SIG P320.

01:12:02.000 Right.

01:12:03.000 The SIG P320 is notorious for accidental discharges.

01:12:07.000 Right.

01:12:07.000 There is a video of the cop removing the gun, walking off.

01:12:11.000 Yes, I saw that.

01:12:11.000 And the gun goes off.

01:12:14.000 And is that his gun for sure?

01:12:16.000 Because I thought that hadn't been determined whether or not.

01:12:18.000 I heard people speculating about it.

01:12:19.000 I've watched the video multiple times and I've watched other people's analysis of it.

01:12:23.000 Obviously, I'm no expert, but I do know something about guns.

01:12:27.000 And that gun in particular, it's been demonstrated for lines that it will go off.

01:12:31.000 There's a cop inside of a precinct.

01:12:33.000 He bends over, not touching his gun, gun in the holster, and it goes off.

01:12:39.000 There's a video of a guy on a range and a gun just goes off. 0.99

01:12:43.000 And he goes, whose fucking gun was that? 0.99

01:12:46.000 And the range master goes, is that a SIG? 1.00

01:12:49.000 And he goes, yeah. 1.00

01:12:50.000 He goes, get that fucking gun off of my range. 1.00

01:12:53.000 Wow. 1.00

01:12:54.000 Because it's a P320.

01:12:55.000 So SIG, I should be real clear.

01:12:57.000 SIG makes a bunch of guns that are awesome.

01:12:58.000 Like the P365 is like one of the best carry guns in the world.

01:13:02.000 There's a lot of guns they make that don't have this issue. 0.98

01:13:04.000 But that particular gun that Predty had with one in the chamber is fucking knuckleheads walking around with one in the chamber. 0.99

01:13:10.000 Absolutely. 1.00

01:13:11.000 And all four, I'm just saying, the only point I'm making is that it's clearly, it was a fuck up. 0.98

01:13:16.000 I'm not saying like they wanted to execute the guy. 0.99

01:13:18.000 I'm just saying like they had the gun taken from them.

01:13:21.000 They didn't communicate that to each other.

01:13:23.000 They freaked out.

01:13:24.000 But literally all it took was seeing one video 11 days earlier where he kicked the back of a cop car.

01:13:30.000 Right.

01:13:30.000 And for every right-winger to go, yeah, whatever, dude.

01:13:33.000 Got what you deserve.

01:13:34.000 So all my point is about this, looking at this in the Iranian regime, it's just not clear.

01:13:40.000 Like, what are you actually accusing them of?

01:13:43.000 Are you saying that somebody was trying to overthrow the government and the government mowed them down?

01:13:48.000 Are you saying that they lined up protesters and shot them all in the back of the head simply for voicing their opinion?

01:13:53.000 Like, none of this is made clear, but when the war drums are beating, no one even cares to like ask these questions.

01:13:59.000 It's just like, yep, they killed their own people. 0.50

01:14:01.000 And then if you notice with this war, much like with Venezuela, and almost like with all of them, they just keep giving you, like, they throw like 15 justifications at it.

01:14:10.000 You know, and you're like, wait, which one is the reason we're fighting this?

01:14:13.000 Because I saw all of them like to play the humanitarian card and go, we're doing this, you know, for these oppressed people.

01:14:19.000 We want them to rise up.

01:14:20.000 They've been living under this brutal regime.

01:14:22.000 And you're like, okay, two things.

01:14:24.000 Like, number one, that is simply just not how U.S. foreign policy works.

01:14:29.000 We don't fight wars on humanitarian grounds.

01:14:31.000 You know what I mean?

01:14:32.000 Like, we're partners with some of the most brutal authoritarians in the world.

01:14:36.000 And we've, and in the case of like Israel, we've been funding their destruction of Gaza for the last two and a half years. 0.72

01:14:42.000 Like, it's, and, and so, like, that's not really what's motivating this here.

01:14:46.000 And then, number two, Donald Trump even just the other day said he'll be partners with the new Ayatollah and run the Strait of Hormuz together.

01:14:54.000 He's backed off.

01:14:55.000 Did you say that?

01:14:56.000 Yeah.

01:14:56.000 He's backed off of regime change.

01:14:58.000 Or there's the idea.

01:14:59.000 Who's even talking to him?

01:15:01.000 Is someone talking to him?

01:15:02.000 Like, who is he talking to?

01:15:05.000 Do they know who they're talking to?

01:15:06.000 Because it's not like they're meeting.

01:15:08.000 Donald Trump said.

01:15:09.000 Some guys on the phone, I am free to negotiate.

01:15:13.000 Dude, he said, Donald Trump himself said the other day that he goes, negotiate, we're negotiating.

01:15:20.000 Negotiations are going great.

01:15:21.000 And they go, who are you negotiating with?

01:15:23.000 And he goes, a person we believe to be in charge.

01:15:27.000 And then they said, so is this the new supreme leader?

01:15:29.000 And he said, no.

01:15:30.000 No.

01:15:30.000 No one's heard from that guy.

01:15:31.000 We don't know where he is.

01:15:32.000 Some hacker in his basement in Belarus.

01:15:37.000 He's talking with an Iranian accent.

01:15:40.000 And he's got them convinced.

01:15:41.000 Well, it's just.

01:15:42.000 I have the authority to negotiate.

01:15:46.000 Let's be partners.

01:15:48.000 Let's be free.

01:15:49.000 Wire one million Bitcoin to this address.

01:15:53.000 Well, everything I'm seeing publicly reported today is that Iran is like, no, we're not in these negotiations.

01:16:01.000 We've made our terms clear.

01:16:03.000 And their terms, what they're asking for, is something that Donald Trump is not going to be able to give them.

01:16:07.000 What's that?

01:16:10.000 Their demands were that we stop attacking immediately, like that part they might get, that we pay them restitution for all the damage so far.

01:16:24.000 Essentially, that we leave the region.

01:16:25.000 I mean, they had a few other things there that were just like...

01:16:28.000 And they want him to open up a Terry Blacks in Tehran. 0.91

01:16:34.000 This one was really important to us.

01:16:36.000 Terry Black's one Terry Black's barbecue.

01:16:38.000 We don't have a good barbecue here. 0.99

01:16:41.000 It doesn't seem like if he's not really negotiating with this guy, if that's not true, and if he's just putting this out there in the public as a negotiation ploy, what a cluster fuck. 0.99

01:16:55.000 Because you're dealing with people that don't mind dying. 0.99

01:16:58.000 They believe, I mean, these are very religious people.

01:17:02.000 They're fanatical.

01:17:03.000 They believe they're going to go to heaven.

01:17:05.000 They believe they're martyrs and they're fighting for Allah.

01:17:09.000 This is the just and holy war.

01:17:11.000 Well, they've already been attacked.

01:17:13.000 Well, that's right.

01:17:14.000 And they've been preparing for this for a long time.

01:17:16.000 You know, and they like there's, you know, people make a lot out of the chants that the Iranians, you know, they chant death to America. 0.89

01:17:24.000 What do you got there, Jimmy?

01:17:25.000 Sorry.

01:17:25.000 It's on.

01:17:30.000 Will Iran still be able to control the flood war?

01:17:33.000 Be jointly controlled.

01:17:35.000 By whom?

01:17:36.000 Maybe me.

01:17:38.000 Maybe me.

01:17:39.000 Me and the Ayatollah, whoever the Ayatollah is, whoever the next Ayatollah.

01:17:44.000 Look, and there'll also be a form of a very serious form of a regime change.

01:17:50.000 Now, in all fairness, everybody's been killed from the regime.

01:17:54.000 There's automatically a regime change.

01:17:57.000 But we're dealing with some people that I find to be very reasonable, very solid.

01:18:04.000 The people within know who they are.

01:18:05.000 They're very respected.

01:18:07.000 And maybe one of them will be exactly what we're looking for.

01:18:11.000 Look at Venezuela, how well that's working out. 0.99

01:18:15.000 I mean, dude, this is such a fucking mess. 1.00

01:18:17.000 This is such a mess, dude. 1.00

01:18:19.000 I mean, this is just too ridiculous, dude. 0.99

01:18:22.000 And the thing is that a lot of people, you know, I've spent a long time at this point being against this war because this war has been telegraphed since the Bush administration wanted to do this shit. 0.99

01:18:34.000 And at least for like 15 years, I've been publicly opposing this war. 0.71

01:18:41.000 And one of the reasons why so many of us oppose this, and it's a shitty way to be vindicated, but is that, look, Iran is just not like any of the other opponents in the global war on terrorism. 0.91

01:18:53.000 It's a different beast entirely.

01:18:55.000 And you've seen this already, only three weeks in.

01:18:57.000 We never dealt with any of this with any of the other countries.

01:19:00.000 You know what I mean?

01:19:01.000 We had what the Pentagon calls escalation dominance in all of those other wars, which is all essentially like, it's just like, meaning like, if you do this, we do this.

01:19:10.000 If you do that, like, we're prepared for everything.

01:19:12.000 It's kind of like escalation dominance is a lot like, you know, like in jiu-jitsu, where you see really high-level guys who basically put you in a position where you can make one of two choices in either way.

01:19:22.000 You know, like, okay, you can give me your back and I'll choke you, or you can push off me and I'll armbar you. 0.96

01:19:26.000 And whatever option you have, I'm going to get you. 0.98

01:19:29.000 We don't have that with Iran. 0.99

01:19:31.000 And Pentagon's been open about this since at least 2007.

01:19:35.000 And the fact is that, as we're already seeing, they can target ships in the Strait of Hormuz.

01:19:40.000 They can target our assets, our bases, our embassies in the region.

01:19:43.000 They can target our allies.

01:19:45.000 And this is a big problem.

01:19:47.000 And so, like, it seems like Donald Trump got into this thinking it would be like Venezuela.

01:19:52.000 It would be quick and bloodless and easy and he could claim victory.

01:19:56.000 Now that it's not gone that way, it seems like he's kind of scrambling for what the off-ramp is here.

01:20:04.000 Now, at least I give Donald Trump, as angry as I am with him, like at least it is true that he's looking for an off-ramp, it seems like.

01:20:13.000 And he did this with the 12-day war, right?

01:20:15.000 Like he started the war, he saw an off-ramp, and he took it.

01:20:20.000 The problem here really is that this war changed the calculation from the Iranian perspective.

01:20:26.000 And that much is clear so far.

01:20:28.000 You know, after 9-11, all the countries in the Middle East and North Africa, all the ones, essentially they all waved the white flag, all of them.

01:20:37.000 Saddam Hussein welcomed UN inspectors in.

01:20:40.000 He was trying to do anything he could to not meet the fate that he ultimately met.

01:20:44.000 Gaddafi denuclearized, got rid of chemical weapons.

01:20:46.000 Basharl Assad got rid of all his chemical weapons.

01:20:49.000 Like they were all just like, we don't want it with you, you know.

01:20:52.000 And Iran was very much the same way.

01:20:56.000 They got into the JCPOA.

01:20:57.000 They allowed an inspections regime in to come look at their nuclear facilities, all of that.

01:21:02.000 And even up to the 12-day war, when we dropped the bunker buster, and Israel bombed a whole bunch of regime targets, they still, in their response, called ahead, made sure there'd be no U.S. troops there.

01:21:15.000 They hit the side of a little base there.

01:21:17.000 And then they kind of went like, they gave Trump an off-ramp because they didn't want it.

01:21:22.000 You know, they didn't want it.

01:21:23.000 They don't want to die like Muammar Gaddafi.

01:21:24.000 They don't want to have their country destroyed.

01:21:26.000 So for self-preservation reasons, they showed restraint.

01:21:30.000 The calculation this time, clearly already from the Iranians, was that we can't do that again. 1.00

01:21:37.000 We have to give you a bloody nose and a black eye. 0.97

01:21:40.000 We have to make this cost as much as possible for you. 0.83

01:21:43.000 Otherwise, you guys will just be back here in another five months doing it again.

01:21:48.000 And they're probably right about that.

01:21:50.000 They're probably right.

01:21:51.000 And so now we're in this situation where we're already in a quagmire.

01:21:56.000 It's already like over a dozen Americans have died.

01:22:00.000 I think a couple hundred wounded at this point.

01:22:02.000 Israel isn't given real numbers on what's going on there, but there's some pretty substantial damage.

01:22:07.000 And definitely some Israelis have died.

01:22:09.000 And I'm sure thousands of Iranians have died at this point.

01:22:13.000 It's cost, I mean, Pete Heggs has just asked for $200 billion.

01:22:17.000 I don't know if it'll get up to costing that much, but this thing is certainly already in the tens of billions.

01:22:22.000 If you consider munition, military movements, and then just the damage to embassies and bases and stuff like that.

01:22:29.000 I mean, this thing is already a disaster.

01:22:31.000 And so now it's not like Venezuela where Donald Trump could just stop and declare victory and even say, look how great it's working out.

01:22:39.000 Now, is Venezuela really working out that great?

01:22:41.000 I don't know.

01:22:42.000 You know, we took one guy away.

01:22:43.000 The regime's still in place.

01:22:45.000 The people haven't been liberated, but whatever, he can claim that.

01:22:49.000 This now, the problem here is that, okay, number one, Donald Trump's not really in a situation where if he just quit right now, how is he really going to say, look how wonderful this is?

01:22:59.000 It's like, I don't know, dude, this cost a lot already.

01:23:02.000 And it doesn't seem like there's any clear, like, what did we get out of this? 0.94

01:23:06.000 Well, the only way it would work is if there was some sort of a deal with whoever the fuck is going to be the new guy in charge. 0.80

01:23:12.000 And they did come to some sort of an agreement. 0.99

01:23:15.000 And they did give them some compensation for all the shit we blew up. 0.99

01:23:19.000 Yes. 0.99

01:23:19.000 Well, that right. 0.99

01:23:20.000 So they'll just print some more money for that.

01:23:22.000 Sure.

01:23:22.000 And inflation.

01:23:23.000 But look, here's the thing is that it's not just Donald Trump.

01:23:27.000 There's two other participants in this war, or two other entities in this war.

01:23:32.000 There's Iran and there's Israel. 0.70

01:23:34.000 Okay.

01:23:35.000 Now, is Iran going to accept that?

01:23:38.000 Maybe, but look, just like the 12-day war.

01:23:40.000 Look at the position you're in now.

01:23:42.000 We're relying on the mullahs. 0.97

01:23:44.000 You know what I mean?

01:23:44.000 Like that is not an ideal situation to be in.

01:23:47.000 And then the other factor is that there's Israel, who also gets a say in this for some reason, because we allow them to.

01:23:54.000 And Netanyahu, just the other day, was very clear about this.

01:23:58.000 This is a regime change.

01:23:59.000 And he even said it will require ground forces.

01:24:02.000 And he said he's not sure who those ground forces will be yet.

01:24:06.000 And so now this happened.

01:24:09.000 Do you remember the moment during the 12-day war when it was the closest Trump ever came to flipping out on Israel? 0.99

01:24:15.000 And he said, they don't know what the fuck they're doing. 0.99

01:24:17.000 But he said Israel and Iran don't know what the fuck they're doing. 0.99

01:24:21.000 Because Donald Trump, so after he drops the bunker busters, he goes, that's it. 0.99

01:24:28.000 You know what I mean?

01:24:28.000 We're taking the off-ramp.

01:24:30.000 And then he said, I want to work out a ceasefire now. 0.91

01:24:33.000 And then after he said that, Israel just started lighting up regime targets, just bombing the crap out of them.

01:24:39.000 And they weren't bombing nuclear facilities.

01:24:42.000 They were just bombing like government buildings.

01:24:44.000 And they've been doing a bunch of that in this war as well, bombing local police departments, things like that, just creating chaos.

01:24:49.000 Because what they want is what they've been getting in the rest of the war on terrorism.

01:24:55.000 They are quite happy with a Libya model or a Syria model. 0.71

01:24:59.000 They just don't want anyone that's organized as a threat to Israel.

01:25:03.000 They don't, it's all about Iran's support for Hezbollah.

01:25:07.000 Yeah.

01:25:08.000 Is that they want southern Lebanon, which they just, Katz, their defense minister, just announced that they're going to occupy.

01:25:12.000 Oh, yeah, that's crazy, right?

01:25:14.000 They just announced they're going to be occupying another country.

01:25:16.000 That's what it's about, man.

01:25:18.000 And look, I mean, it's not, again, this isn't like a conspiracy theory.

01:25:22.000 The guys all tell you this in their own words.

01:25:24.000 Benjamin Netanyahu was asked point blank a few months back what he thought of the Greater Israel Project.

01:25:29.000 And he said, it's very near and dear to my heart.

01:25:32.000 Like, this is the point of denying the Palestinians a state for all these years.

01:25:36.000 You can't let the Palestinians have a state because then how are you going to take that all over someday? 1.00

01:25:40.000 That's all supposed to be part of Israel.

01:25:42.000 And the U.S. ambassador, the U.S. ambassador, not the Israeli ambassador, the U.S. ambassador to Israel is on record saying that God promised Iraq to Benjamin Netanyahu and that God promised Lebanon and Saudi Arabia and the West Bank and parts of Syria and all of this is greater Israel. 0.51

01:26:03.000 That is it.

01:26:04.000 By the way, Sam Harris, where are you out on that?

01:26:08.000 Where are the new atheists when you could finally use them for something? 1.00

01:26:13.000 Hey, that's pretty crazy.

01:26:14.000 Is that how we do politics?

01:26:17.000 We work on this ridiculous religious superstition that somehow when God said Israel in Genesis, he was referring to the state that was created that they named after that passage.

01:26:29.000 This would literally be on the level, Joe, is if I named my son Jesus Christ and then I told you, you have to worship my son.

01:26:36.000 Look, it's right there in your Bible.

01:26:37.000 Exactly.

01:26:38.000 No, you named it after that, dude.

01:26:40.000 That doesn't count.

01:26:42.000 That's crazy.

01:26:42.000 And they took the spot where it was.

01:26:44.000 Yeah, I mean, like...

01:26:45.000 They took over and they did it in a horrific way, like the NAPCA.

01:26:48.000 Yeah.

01:26:49.000 You listen to some of those soldiers, the translation of some of those soldiers talking about what they did and even laughing about what they did.

01:26:55.000 Some of them even smiling.

01:26:56.000 In 1948, that's it.

01:26:57.000 Yeah, because it wasn't in 1848.

01:26:59.000 You know what I mean?

01:27:00.000 Like these guys were alive.

01:27:02.000 Maybe not so many of them now, but like 20, 30 years ago, you could put a video camera in front of one of these guys and ask him to tell their story.

01:27:08.000 Right.

01:27:08.000 It was 78 years ago.

01:27:09.000 It wasn't that long ago.

01:27:10.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:27:11.000 That's right.

01:27:12.000 And so, you know, look, I mean, the idea here that America, after just 25 years of catastrophic failures, launching wars of choice, wars of aggression,

01:27:26.000 lying the American people into it, just slaughtering millions of people and like bankrupting this country and really severely degrading the country with these wars.

01:27:35.000 The idea that we would jump into another war of choice for Israel is just too like this is too crazy, man. 0.99

01:27:46.000 And especially when it's the administration that really ran on and promised that we want to get out of this, out of this game of fighting stupid wars in the Middle East. 0.98

01:27:59.000 That was what we were all supporting. 0.82

01:28:00.000 That was the one thing that he was saying that was so promising to so many people that were independent, that were on the fence.

01:28:06.000 They're like, this guy wants no wars.

01:28:08.000 All right.

01:28:09.000 He wants closing the border, which I think is a great idea.

01:28:11.000 He wants no wars.

01:28:12.000 Not enough.

01:28:13.000 Let's go.

01:28:14.000 Well, especially considering the fact that, well, like, even if there are some things about Donald Trump that maybe you don't like, but the other guys are saying we want to keep fighting forever wars, and this guy is saying we should stop doing that.

01:28:29.000 That's enough to go, well, then he's better than you on net.

01:28:32.000 And don't get me wrong.

01:28:33.000 I mean, I endorsed Donald Trump in 24. 0.99

01:28:37.000 You know, people give me shit for this. 0.99

01:28:39.000 Some people like that. 1.00

01:28:40.000 Some people give me shit for it. 0.99

01:28:41.000 But I do, I kind of view it like this. 0.98

01:28:44.000 Like, and I really, I will say, maybe I'm a little biased here because I love you, but I don't think I'm being biased.

01:28:49.000 I really think you played an enormous role in kind of like standing up to the progressive democratic establishment and their narrative over the last decade or so.

01:29:04.000 And it's really hard to kind of overstate how crazy they were, how much of a threat to this country they were. 0.99

01:29:10.000 And so for anybody who wants to give shit to anyone who voted for Donald Trump, it's like, hey, man, the alternative was the party who bragged about, first off, insane woke shit, 1.00

01:29:23.000 like poisoning the minds of children in a really grotesque and abusive way. 1.00

01:29:27.000 They gave us open borders, flooding the country with people. 1.00

01:29:31.000 They gave us all types of COVID tyranny based on pseudoscience.

01:29:35.000 They gave us the most reckless foreign policy in American history, which was this proxy war on Russia's border.

01:29:41.000 And they were pretending the president wasn't senile when he clearly was. 0.67

01:29:46.000 Then they, in the fourth quarter, threw up a cackling retard who was not democratically picked in any process. 1.00

01:29:52.000 And so, sorry, like it, it does make sense that a lot of people went, okay, we're going to go back with this other guy.

01:29:59.000 Yeah.

01:29:59.000 Also, there was an interesting dynamic happening in 24 where, okay, this wasn't, you know, Donald Trump, they had actually tried to throw him in jail, maybe even tried to murder him.

01:30:10.000 We never really got any answers on that one.

01:30:12.000 He now had Bobby Kennedy with him.

01:30:14.000 He now had Tulsi Gabbard with him.

01:30:16.000 He now had, you know what I mean?

01:30:17.000 Even JD Vance, like a lot of these people who were supposedly much more non-interventionist, there was reason to hope that maybe it wouldn't end up here.

01:30:26.000 But anyway, I guess my thing is that you played such a huge role in this.

01:30:30.000 And I, to a lesser extent, played a role in standing up against a lot of that progressive insanity over the last 10 years.

01:30:35.000 And I just feel like after 24, you know, this coalition came together where Donald Trump, for the first time ever, wins the popular vote, wins every single swing state, and really more remarkably, won the youth and the culture.

01:30:49.000 Like Donald Trump went from being like the cultural pariah to being the guy like John Jones is doing the dance at the front.

01:30:56.000 And it was just, it was, and that whole coalition has been destroyed over this war.

01:31:01.000 And now he's going to hand the country right back over to these Democrats who we've been fighting so hard, all for what? 0.99

01:31:07.000 All for a war that Netanyahu wanted against a country that, dude, by the way, the justification for the 12-day war was bullshit. 0.98

01:31:14.000 They weren't trying to make nuclear weapons. 0.99

01:31:16.000 They were trying to negotiate.

01:31:18.000 Yes, well, that's right.

01:31:20.000 But then, all, and I want to, you know, he said some nice things about me when he was on here the other day with you.

01:31:24.000 So I will say some nice things about Constantine Kassen, who I, despite our disagreements, I really like that guy a lot.

01:31:31.000 But he is, I could be wrong, I could be missing someone.

01:31:34.000 He's the only guy I've seen who supported the 12-day war, but is really skeptical about this.

01:31:41.000 And I've seen so many people, it's unbelievable, dude.

01:31:44.000 Like they, they just, so like the 12-day war comes for the first 48 hours of it, they're like, dude, Israel's doing this on its own. 0.94

01:31:51.000 All they want is for you to stay out of it.

01:31:54.000 Then like the third day, they're like, all right, they do need some help shooting down the missiles that are coming back toward them, but whatever.

01:32:00.000 This is just defensive.

01:32:01.000 You know what I mean?

01:32:02.000 Like you don't have to get involved.

01:32:03.000 Then it's like the next day, like, all right, we don't, we don't have bunker busters, so we do need you to drop the bunker busters.

01:32:07.000 But then their whole like defense of the 12-day war was like, look, no Americans died.

01:32:13.000 It didn't cost us a lot.

01:32:14.000 It didn't turn into this disaster.

01:32:16.000 And now we're at the, okay, well, fine, all of that happened, but it's still a good thing.

01:32:21.000 Constantine was the one guy I saw who was like, no, I supported that one, but I am not getting on board with this one.

01:32:28.000 And I give him a lot of credit for that.

01:32:29.000 I give him a lot of credit for that.

01:32:30.000 I like that guy a lot.

01:32:31.000 I like him a lot.

01:32:32.000 I like Francis a lot too.

01:32:33.000 I do too.

01:32:34.000 Their show, Trigonometry, is one of the best shows.

01:32:37.000 Agree with them or not agree with them.

01:32:39.000 They're always reasonable.

01:32:40.000 They're never ideologically driven.

01:32:43.000 They have opinions that you may or may not agree with, but they're real clear about their opinions and why they believe what they believe.

01:32:47.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:32:48.000 And I will say, genuinely great dudes. 0.97

01:32:52.000 I really liked, you know, I get in a lot of like the shit show like arguments. 0.88

01:32:58.000 I find myself in them. 0.95

01:32:59.000 I probably should be better than them and just not engage, but I'm not and I'm petty. 0.99

01:33:03.000 What do you mean by shit show? 0.96

01:33:04.000 Like where it just becomes like an insult thing or you know I debated Alex Behrens or it's kind of embarrassing in hindsight, but like, I don't know, it gets me really angry when the guy's calling me a Holocaust denier or something like that. 0.99

01:33:15.000 I get that.

01:33:15.000 I think that's crazy.

01:33:16.000 It was kind of silly. 0.72

01:33:17.000 The way he was saying it was silly and he was just trying to play gotcha with you.

01:33:21.000 Yes. 1.00

01:33:21.000 And then you called him a faggot. 1.00

01:33:23.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:33:23.000 It's not my finest moment. 1.00

01:33:24.000 You can tell he was really shaken by that.

01:33:27.000 Well, it's just expected that. 0.98

01:33:28.000 I kind of have a thing where like, look, I'm really into this shit and I nerd out on it and I'm obsessed with all of this for whatever reason. 0.99

01:33:34.000 It's just like my calling in life. 0.98

01:33:36.000 But I'm also stand-up comic at heart.

01:33:38.000 You know?

01:33:39.000 And so like as soon as someone goes like, oh, I want to be vicious, you're like, oh, you want to be vicious?

01:33:43.000 Because I'm pretty good at being vicious.

01:33:45.000 So like I could do that. 0.98

01:33:46.000 And you're probably not used to hearing this type of vicious shit that like comics say to each other. 0.58

01:33:52.000 But one of the things that I really appreciated about Francis and Constantin was when I went to do their show, it was just like it was genuinely a good faith conversation. 0.91

01:34:01.000 And they weren't trying, they weren't trying to like win the point or get a clip that they could go, we destroyed Dave.

01:34:08.000 And then once they do that, I'm like, okay, well, then I'm not trying to do that either, man. 0.99

01:34:11.000 Like, let's talk about this shit. 0.99

01:34:12.000 That's always what I'd rather do. 0.99

01:34:15.000 But the thing that's, I guess the thing that's really interesting about this moment is that because the kind of corporate media propaganda apparatus has been completely destroyed, and because the internet and social media and podcasts are where people go now for,

01:34:32.000 you know, conversations and debates and news and all this stuff, they're kind of like, they're like, they're running without a propaganda apparatus.

01:34:41.000 You know, like Israel just Israel in the last two and a half years is down like 50 points in the polls, like in terms of American approval.

01:34:51.000 They've just been, it's a drastic change.

01:34:54.000 Like I've never seen on any issue over the last few years.

01:34:57.000 In our lifetimes, where it's been an issue that we are dealing with the consequences of the relationship.

01:35:02.000 That's right.

01:35:02.000 There's never been a time in the past where people were completely aware of, oh, there's no other reason why we'd be going into Iran.

01:35:10.000 Like, most people don't think it wasn't for Israel asking us to, Netanyahu's consistent visits to the White House.

01:35:18.000 Oh, you can't even pretend otherwise.

01:35:21.000 I mean, people can't.

01:35:22.000 But people do.

01:35:23.000 Yes, well, they try to.

01:35:24.000 Coleman Hughes just got in a debate with Glenn Greenwald about it.

01:35:28.000 I saw that they did it.

01:35:28.000 I have not had a chance to watch it.

01:35:30.000 Somebody sent it to me, and it was, you know, I'm being a good boy when it comes to social media.

01:35:35.000 It's been so good for my brain.

01:35:37.000 Yeah.

01:35:37.000 It's kind of remarkable.

01:35:39.000 So I got.

01:35:40.000 Just staying off, you mean?

01:35:41.000 Yeah.

01:35:42.000 My new phone, I'm not going to put anything on it.

01:35:44.000 I'm going to have my old phone and leave it at home, and I'm not going to be able to look at it.

01:35:48.000 So when I have to post things, I've got to post it on my other phone that's not going to be with me.

01:35:52.000 I'm not doing that anymore.

01:35:54.000 Because I just think eventually, ultimately, it rots your brain.

01:35:58.000 But you do get some cool debates and some insight into what's going on.

01:36:03.000 And I don't know what Coleman's argument was, but Glenn and Coleman were arguing about Israel's influence on this.

01:36:11.000 Well, I'll be very interested to watch that.

01:36:13.000 I do respect Coleman, despite disagreeing with him very adamantly on.

01:36:17.000 Very smart guy.

01:36:18.000 Very smart guy, no question about it.

01:36:19.000 And a very nice guy.

01:36:21.000 And look, one of the things I really respect about him is when I did his show, he literally starts it by going, he goes, you know, almost all these debates I see you in, like, you're kind of debating issues, and then people just debate your character.

01:36:34.000 And he goes, I'm not doing that at all.

01:36:35.000 I want to talk about the issues the whole time.

01:36:37.000 And I just genuinely appreciate that.

01:36:39.000 No, I agree with him or disagree with him.

01:36:41.000 He's a super reasonable guy and a very nice guy.

01:36:43.000 I like him a lot.

01:36:44.000 I like him a lot.

01:36:45.000 Whether I agree with him or disagree with him, he's a wonderful person.

01:36:50.000 Agreed.

01:36:50.000 This is what I will say about his position on this, which I think is kind of interesting.

01:36:56.000 So, number one, when I was on Piers Morgan with him right after Venezuela happened, and he was his position, I don't want to mischaracterize it, but I think this is pretty accurate, was he was like, look,

01:37:10.000 a lot of people are comparing Venezuela to Iraq or Libya or Syria, but like that is a different region, a different culture, a different religion.

01:37:20.000 And so, really, what we should be comparing this to is other interventions in Latin America and South America.

01:37:27.000 And, you know, I didn't completely agree with that.

01:37:29.000 I was like, actually, I think there are some lessons you could learn from other wars that we've been in that might apply here.

01:37:34.000 But I was like, okay, fair enough.

01:37:36.000 Hey, let's look at other interventions in Central and South America because we've got a long list of really disastrous ones.

01:37:41.000 Like, if you want to look at Guatemala or Nicaragua or, you know, Cuba, Mexico, a whole bunch.

01:37:47.000 But then, when this war in Iran starts, I don't see him going the equal opposite of that, going, hey, now that we're at war with Iran, we have to judge this by Iraq and Afghanistan and Libya and Syria, because you know what I'm saying?

01:38:02.000 Like, that would be the flip side to the other position.

01:38:04.000 And so I don't see that.

01:38:05.000 The other thing is that when he's arguing with me about, because I was arguing that, you know, that the Israel lobby and the Israeli government were a huge part of why we fought the war in Iraq.

01:38:17.000 And his big point that he stuck to, a lot of the Hawks stick to this, is that Ariel Sharon was actually, who was the sitting prime minister at the time, he was actually against the war in Iraq.

01:38:28.000 Now, that's not exactly true.

01:38:31.000 He wanted George W. Bush to invade Iran first, not Iraq.

01:38:35.000 And then when he got assurances that Iran would be next, he got on board. 0.55

01:38:39.000 You could go look at Sharon's speech.

01:38:40.000 He gave a speech, I think it was in August of 2002, to the Knesset.

01:38:44.000 And it's all about how Iraq is the biggest threat. 1.00

01:38:46.000 They have weapons of mass destruction.

01:38:48.000 The Mossad was cranking out all types of BS intelligence about the nuclear weapons that he could detonate in 15 minutes or whatever.

01:38:54.000 It was all nonsense.

01:38:56.000 But if you're going to say that that is evidence that Israel was not pushing us into this because the sitting prime minister at the time didn't like this war, okay, but again, then how does the current sitting prime minister of Israel feel about this war in Iran?

01:39:11.000 Because he's fighting it with us.

01:39:13.000 And he said after it started that this is the culmination of his entire life's work.

01:39:18.000 He has been trying to lie our government into this war for my entire lifetime.

01:39:24.000 Coming here, he testified how many times in front of our conversation testified with the cartoon of a war.

01:39:29.000 At the UN.

01:39:30.000 A cartoon, a bomb cartoon with the percentages of the enriched uranium.

01:39:35.000 And like a Daffy Duck bomb.

01:39:37.000 Not like the bomb that will blow your beak around.

01:39:41.000 And he was already up real high.

01:39:43.000 He was already up real high.

01:39:44.000 No, dude, he was on record saying that Iran was three to five years away from getting a nuclear weapon in the 90s.

01:39:50.000 I mean, it's just, he's just been lying through his teeth.

01:39:50.000 In the 90s.

01:39:53.000 And there is something, look, man, there's something really profoundly dishonorable about trying to lie another country into war.

01:40:04.000 Like, not even trying to sell the war to your own people and have your own military do it, but because you can't.

01:40:09.000 There it is.

01:40:10.000 We were up to 90%.

01:40:10.000 Yeah, there we are.

01:40:13.000 No, it was first stage we were at.

01:40:13.000 First stage.

01:40:15.000 He was saying they've hit the first stage.

01:40:18.000 Oh, excuse me.

01:40:19.000 Okay, yeah, you're right.

01:40:20.000 I guess this is we can't.

01:40:21.000 We can't go any further. 0.97

01:40:23.000 It's just so ridiculous. 0.98

01:40:25.000 And he knows he's lying. 0.97

01:40:27.000 He's like your friend that you've been friends with since high school.

01:40:30.000 And every time you go out, he gets you in a fight.

01:40:32.000 You're like, dude, don't do this. 1.00

01:40:33.000 Like, those guys over there are a fucking problem. 1.00

01:40:35.000 Let's go over there and fuck them up. 1.00

01:40:37.000 And like, you know, all your buddies are like, dude, this guy again. 0.99

01:40:41.000 Dude, I use that exact analogy when I debated Josh Hammer at Princeton University.

01:40:46.000 Or maybe it was with the Charlie Kirk.

01:40:48.000 It was one of the times I debated him.

01:40:49.000 But I used that exact analogy.

01:40:50.000 He was like, is Israel an ally?

01:40:52.000 It's like, they're not a good friend.

01:40:52.000 And I was like, no.

01:40:55.000 If your friend's getting you in a bar fight every night, stop hanging out with that guy.

01:40:58.000 Bro, Tim Dylan did an ad for NeuroGum and Neuromints on his podcast where he's like, I have a friend.

01:41:08.000 Let's just call her Erica.

01:41:10.000 And he does this Erica Kirk ad.

01:41:14.000 He doesn't say it's Erica Kirk for NeuroGum.

01:41:17.000 Have you heard it, Jamie?

01:41:19.000 I think so.

01:41:20.000 Oh, my God.

01:41:21.000 Oh, my God.

01:41:22.000 It's so funny.

01:41:23.000 Oh, my God.

01:41:24.000 It's so crazy.

01:41:25.000 He's so out of his. 0.98

01:41:27.000 I fucking love him so much. 0.97

01:41:28.000 I'm so happy Tim Dylan's in the world. 0.98

01:41:31.000 He is the best.

01:41:32.000 If you're not listening to his podcast and you want a rational but hilarious take on all the fucking madness that's going on with not just this war, but the Epstein Files, his episode, The Epstein Files, I hardly ever tweet about other people's podcasts, but I hardly ever tweet.

01:41:32.000 He's the best.

01:41:48.000 But I posted it.

01:41:48.000 I'm like, this is one of the best podcasts about anything ever.

01:41:53.000 His ability, Tim's ability to like rant, it like isn't like a hilarious rant that is laced with excellent points, but it's just hilarious the whole time.

01:42:04.000 And just him going off is second to none.

01:42:07.000 And he's sober.

01:42:08.000 He just puts on his magic glasses.

01:42:10.000 It's him and Fuentes are the top two.

01:42:13.000 Oh, but he buries Fuentes.

01:42:14.000 Fuentes is really good.

01:42:16.000 Fuentes says very good.

01:42:17.000 Tim can do something different than anybody else can do.

01:42:20.000 Yeah, well, his ability to blend sarcasm and just celebration of chaos.

01:42:27.000 Yeah, he's second to none.

01:42:29.000 Best ranter that's ever walked the face of the planet.

01:42:32.000 I remember when I first met Tim in New York back before he moved out to LA after that.

01:42:38.000 But when I first met him in New York, and he was, I think, like he was a green stand-up.

01:42:43.000 I think he hadn't been doing it for that long. 0.98

01:42:45.000 But I remember just like being on podcasts with him and just being like, yo, this dude is going to be a fucking superstar.

01:42:54.000 Like, it was just like his ranting, like ability, like he would go off on things where you just find yourself like, like, you almost have a moment where you forget you're on the show with him. 0.83

01:43:04.000 You're like, I'm just sitting here watching that.

01:43:04.000 Yeah.

01:43:06.000 And then I'm like, oh, shit, I'm here too. 0.99

01:43:07.000 I better say something. 1.00

01:43:08.000 But, like, he's just unbelievable.

01:43:11.000 Listen to this, Dad.

01:43:15.000 I don't know if I should tell this, but it does show how effective Neuromints can be.

01:43:15.000 Listen.

01:43:21.000 A friend of mine, let's call her Erica.

01:43:25.000 She's had a wild life, this woman.

01:43:29.000 She was in Romania.

01:43:31.000 She had an orphanage.

01:43:33.000 She was on a reality show.

01:43:35.000 She married this famous guy.

01:43:37.000 She was an intelligence asset.

01:43:40.000 And I said to her, How do you do this?

01:43:43.000 And she says, Tim, it's Neuro's energy and focusments.

01:43:48.000 And I said, but how do you do it after the guy, the husband and father of the kids, gets murdered and you're out there doing all kinds of stuff?

01:43:58.000 You're doing fundraisers and you're dancing around with glitter pants.

01:44:01.000 How does this happen?

01:44:03.000 She goes, I could lie to you, but I'm telling you, it's Neuro's energy and focus mints.

01:44:09.000 She goes, sure.

01:44:09.000 Really?

01:44:11.000 I said, how are you running this organization seven hours after this guy got popped?

01:44:17.000 She goes, a lot of people speculate, but it's Neuro's energy and focus mints.

01:44:24.000 I go, really?

01:44:26.000 She said, yeah, Neuro Energy and Focus is powered by natural green tea, caffeine, L-thenanine for calm, focus, and vitamin B12, and B6 for I mean, whatever they're paying him, they should pay him more.

01:44:38.000 Yeah, it's not enough.

01:44:40.000 No one could pay him enough.

01:44:41.000 He's the GOAT.

01:44:42.000 Well, that'll also just make you remember that product forever.

01:44:45.000 Yeah.

01:44:46.000 No, he's the greatest of all time.

01:44:48.000 It might be a.

01:44:49.000 I'm trying to figure out how to turn our racetrack sign on all the way.

01:44:54.000 Is it broken?

01:44:54.000 Yeah.

01:44:55.000 God damn, we need a new one. 0.99

01:44:56.000 I'll get a hold of Bobby. 1.00

01:44:59.000 He's the GOAT, dude.

01:45:00.000 He's, you mean, just, yeah, I had someone in the White House come up to me and goes, is Tim Dylan really gay? 0.99

01:45:08.000 I go, yeah, he's really gay. 0.84

01:45:09.000 Like, you think he would fake that? 0.97

01:45:10.000 Yeah.

01:45:10.000 She goes, how long have you known him?

01:45:11.000 I go, I've known him forever. 0.99

01:45:12.000 He's really gay. 1.00

01:45:14.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:45:14.000 Well, he will. 0.99

01:45:15.000 He's a real good undercover, but every now and then you see it come out.

01:45:18.000 Every now and then you see like, like I remember, and this is back when he was young and he was broke at the time, but Tim was always kind of a snob, even when he was broke.

01:45:27.000 Like it was always kind of, and I went, I forget what it was, but I was like, I was like, oh, we could get food from this restaurant.

01:45:34.000 And he goes, from there, I go, yeah, they got good food.

01:45:36.000 And he goes, you think that's good food?

01:45:38.000 Because he's like a real like foodie or whatever.

01:45:41.000 I thought it was just like, oh, I saw it for a second.

01:45:43.000 Well, he used to have money because he had money when he was selling.

01:45:45.000 He had money in finance.

01:45:46.000 Then he decided to be private mortgages.

01:45:49.000 He was a part of the housing crisis.

01:45:50.000 That's right.

01:45:51.000 And he was doing cocaine back then.

01:45:53.000 He did topple the U.S. economy for a while.

01:45:56.000 He was part of it.

01:45:56.000 But then he got into comedy.

01:45:57.000 He more than made up for it.

01:45:59.000 He's more than made up for that.

01:46:00.000 This is where he belongs.

01:46:02.000 He belongs in front of that screen with the glasses on, just going on these insane rants.

01:46:08.000 Oh, yeah.

01:46:08.000 He's so funny, man.

01:46:09.000 And Epstein Files take was fucking genius. 0.95

01:46:13.000 Dude, his thing about Sam Harris having a meditation app and also supporting genocide. 0.98

01:46:13.000 That was great. 0.98

01:46:20.000 It's like the most hilarious thing ever.

01:46:22.000 Like, what human being does both of those?

01:46:26.000 Such a great take on that.

01:46:27.000 Oh, he's so funny, man.

01:46:29.000 Yeah, we're lucky, dude.

01:46:32.000 We're part of a really cool group of people right now.

01:46:35.000 You know, it's a very unusual time that the mainstream has lost all of its power of influence on people.

01:46:43.000 It still puts out information.

01:46:44.000 still puts out shows, but they're funky.

01:46:47.000 They're trying to look like you. 0.93

01:46:48.000 But they're funk.

01:46:51.000 That Jake Tapper thing was so crazy.

01:46:52.000 I was like, what are you doing?

01:46:53.000 Are you doing a podcast now?

01:46:55.000 What are you doing?

01:46:56.000 It's such a perfect little microcosm, though, of like, it's almost painful.

01:47:00.000 Like, I'm like, guys, just, can you hire me?

01:47:03.000 I mean, like, I wouldn't explain this to you.

01:47:06.000 No, it wouldn't work either because they're so trained.

01:47:10.000 It's like if you get a dog and that dog has been, maybe a, yeah, a cat might be a better example.

01:47:18.000 Like, if you've never had a litter box in the house and the cat's been pissing all over the carpet, you are always going to have that cat piss on the carpet.

01:47:24.000 That's what that cat does. 1.00

01:47:25.000 You're not going to fix him.

01:47:26.000 If your entire life you've been spitting out nonsense from a teleprompter and now all of a sudden you have to be yourself, you've been functioning in a world of executives and producers where everybody goes over every little thing you say and do.

01:47:40.000 You 100% read things you know aren't true, or at least partially actually.

01:47:45.000 Mics for like everything. 1.00

01:47:47.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

01:47:47.000 Their whole setup is they're all trying to look like podcasters.

01:47:51.000 Wow, wait a minute.

01:47:53.000 They put mics out like podcasters. 0.94

01:47:55.000 That's crazy.

01:47:56.000 Imagine if they think that's all it takes.

01:47:58.000 Well, this is, but Joe, talk about completely missing the point, right?

01:48:02.000 It's just fundamentally missing it.

01:48:04.000 Is that they go, they actually go, okay.

01:48:07.000 So all of these people have left, you know, watching cable news in troves.

01:48:12.000 And now they, a lot of people listen to podcasts.

01:48:14.000 They'll listen to you or Theo Vaughn or whoever it might be.

01:48:18.000 And a huge reason, right, why people, a huge reason why you've been number one for so long now is because however anyone feels about you, you're authentic.

01:48:29.000 It's very hard to deny that.

01:48:30.000 You know, one of the biggest questions I get when people like meet me, if I do like meet and greet after shows or something, it's, what's Joe Rogan like?

01:48:38.000 Is a question I get all the time because we're buddies and I've been on the show a lot a lot of times and people love you.

01:48:44.000 And they'll go, what's Joe Rogan like?

01:48:45.000 And I always tell them the same thing.

01:48:46.000 I go, you already know.

01:48:48.000 You know, like you already know who he is.

01:48:50.000 He's that guy.

01:48:51.000 And then offstage, he's that guy.

01:48:53.000 You know what I mean?

01:48:54.000 Like that's who he is.

01:48:55.000 And people like that.

01:48:56.000 People like that.

01:48:57.000 Whatever you think about Theo Vaughn, he's telling, he's authentic.

01:49:00.000 He's being himself.

01:49:01.000 That's who he is.

01:49:02.000 Well, that's why it works.

01:49:03.000 And because you guys in the corporate media are all professional liars and have lied to the American people about the last 17 crises, you know, they don't trust you anymore.

01:49:13.000 And so then their reaction to that is you go, well, what if we pretended to be podcasters? 0.98

01:49:19.000 No, you dummy.

01:49:20.000 That's the whole thing. 1.00

01:49:21.000 This is just proving further how inauthentic you are.

01:49:25.000 They're in meetings on this.

01:49:27.000 100%.

01:49:28.000 100% they do. 0.96

01:49:30.000 Dude, they all, this was to me, despite the fact that I, you know, and people give me shit about voting for Donald Trump and they could say, I should have known better and whatever. 0.81

01:49:39.000 I was a huge critic of him in his first term and I'm a huge critic of him in his second term. 0.61

01:49:42.000 But the best thing about Donald Trump winning in 24, and I did predict this right.

01:49:46.000 I'm not always the best with predictions.

01:49:48.000 I'm pretty good on issues, I think, but I'm not great at predictions.

01:49:50.000 They're tough.

01:49:51.000 But the best thing about Donald Trump winning was that the corporate media finally admitted it.

01:49:57.000 They had been pretending for so long.

01:49:59.000 I remember we used to joke about, I remember coming on like a few years ago, and we would joke about how Brian Stelter would always, whenever he talked about you, he would always kind of go like the fringe Joe Rogan.

01:50:11.000 Like as if he's the mainstream and you're the fringe, as if the numbers aren't readily available to all of us that we could be like, your show has like 200,000 listening and his has 20 million.

01:50:20.000 So how is he the fringe and you're the mainstream?

01:50:23.000 I think they would pretend.

01:50:25.000 Maybe they believed it, but that 24, the election, that's when they all admitted it.

01:50:29.000 And then the talking point moved to, we need to find our own Joe Rogan.

01:50:34.000 The Democrats need to find a Joe Rogan.

01:50:36.000 Remember, that was like, so they kind of admitted that, oh, the podcasts have become the new mainstream and we are the fringe.

01:50:36.000 Or whatever.

01:50:43.000 The dumb part of that statement was, you already had me, you fucking idiots. 1.00

01:50:43.000 Right. 1.00

01:50:47.000 You just lost your mind.

01:50:49.000 I'm not right and I'm not left. 1.00

01:50:51.000 So I think both of them suck. 1.00

01:50:53.000 And I think the adherence to the ideologies that the left supports or the right supports is out of their fucking. 1.00

01:50:58.000 You've got to be out of your fucking mind. 1.00

01:51:00.000 Whether it's these crackpot Christian nationalists that think that this whole war is a way to get Jesus to return on a white horse. 1.00

01:51:08.000 Do you see those guys that were talking during the readiness fucking meeting? 1.00

01:51:12.000 I think that's nuts too. 0.99

01:51:14.000 I think the woke shit and all the chaos of the fucking last four years of having a completely open border and the justifications of all these things, that's nuts too. 0.99

01:51:23.000 I'm not on either buddy's side, anyone's not that much. 0.99

01:51:25.000 But I think that the Democrats aren't ever going to get someone like me because I'm not with either or.

01:51:30.000 I'm not with either or. 0.72

01:51:32.000 I'm with whoever fucking makes sense and no one makes sense. 0.96

01:51:35.000 Until AI comes along. 0.98

01:51:36.000 I think they're going to do a really good job.

01:51:38.000 President Perplexity is going to run this country fairly and balanced.

01:51:42.000 I'm willing to try it at this point. 0.99

01:51:44.000 I'm fucking, I'm dead serious, man. 0.96

01:51:46.000 As long as it doesn't do something to harm people, as long as its goal is just to manage society. 0.98

01:51:54.000 It's a big if that you got there.

01:51:55.000 But yes, if we can get that.

01:51:59.000 But what you just said, I think is really.

01:52:01.000 Well, this is something that I'm encouraged by: is that I think what you just said there, I really do believe that you speak for super majorities of the American people.

01:52:10.000 And that's why, even though Donald Trump has shattered his coalition by lying us into this stupid war on behalf of a foreign country, that coalition is still ripe for someone else to pick it up and run with it.

01:52:21.000 And that's kind of what I'm hoping. 0.98

01:52:23.000 I hope Thomas Massey runs for president.

01:52:24.000 I think, by the way, they're doing a big money bomb for Thomas Massey on March 30th.

01:52:28.000 And I think him winning re-election in Congress is like the most important political election in the country right now because he's done nothing wrong except actually stand up for America first and for all the stuff that Donald Trump and Tulsi Gabbard and all these people ran on. 0.76

01:52:42.000 And he's gotten the Israel lobby and the Edelsons, but I repeat myself, have been pouring millions of dollars into his race to try to unseat him for the crime of not going along with the Epstein cover-up and not going along with another stupid war and having some like fiscal sanity. 0.91

01:52:58.000 So I hope he wins. 0.91

01:53:00.000 Imagine those three negatives.

01:53:02.000 Imagine those being three negatives that people are saying he's not MAGA.

01:53:06.000 Well then okay.

01:53:06.000 Yeah.

01:53:08.000 Well, if that's like I don't know, like my position is always like, if you're saying, if not supporting covering up the Epstein files or not supporting a stupid war of choice, a war of aggression on behalf of Israel, means I'm not MAGA, then okay, I'm not MAGA, I don't, I'm not attached to the the, the. 0.51

01:53:26.000 You know the phrase make America great again. 0.98

01:53:28.000 I don't care then, but that phrase sucks. 0.91

01:53:31.000 Here's the thing like, first of all, America is great, make America greater I'm down but make America great again. 0.99

01:53:39.000 And then it becomes a movement of a bunch of fucking dorks, because a lot of them are dorks, a lot of them, these really weird, fucking uninteresting, unintelligent people that have got something they cling to, and there's a lot of people that are just real, genuine patriots and they're all lumped into this one group and you got to accept the dorks too. 1.00

01:53:57.000 Fuck that. 1.00

01:53:59.000 Like the concept of making America great is a great idea. 1.00

01:54:02.000 But as soon as you have a fucking team and you allow anybody to join up, you don't even have tryouts for your team. 1.00

01:54:10.000 So you've got a bunch of fucking dipshits that are running around spouting out opinions and you have to go along with them because they're MAGA. 1.00

01:54:17.000 And then you've got bots online that are probably from fucking Indonesia or Russia or wherever. 1.00

01:54:23.000 And they're pretending they're MAGA and they're saying crazy shit. 0.99

01:54:26.000 So that's a part of MAGA too. 1.00

01:54:28.000 You've fucked up by becoming a part of a group. 1.00

01:54:31.000 Whether it's a Republican group, a Democrat group, a MAGA group, a fucking woke group, whatever it is, you fucked up by being in a group. 1.00

01:54:40.000 Yeah, George Carlin said people are great as individuals. 0.99

01:54:43.000 Yeah.

01:54:44.000 But when they get in a group, man, they're the worst things in the world.

01:54:47.000 And that's why it should be about the issues.

01:54:51.000 It should be about your principles and what you believe in.

01:54:54.000 And you should be like, look, I've said many nice things about Tulsi Gabbard over the years, and I was extremely critical of her since last summer into now, because I think she's lying us into a war, which is the war that she was always opposed to.

01:55:08.000 The one.

01:55:09.000 She sold no war with Iran t-shirts.

01:55:14.000 How is she lying us into this war? 0.99

01:55:16.000 Because that's a big statement.

01:55:17.000 Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

01:55:19.000 So, and it's true.

01:55:21.000 So last summer, so Tulsi Gabbard had given her, as the Director of National Intelligence does every year, they give their annual threat assessment.

01:55:29.000 And then she testified before Congress about it.

01:55:31.000 And she, it was very clear in her annual threat assessment that Iran was not attempting to build nuclear weapons, that they had not yet made the political decision to attempt to build nuclear weapons, let alone like are actually going for it.

01:55:46.000 And she testified before Congress saying the same thing.

01:55:50.000 And then after negotiating, while they were negotiating, Israel sneak attacks them. 0.98

01:55:55.000 Then she had some post where she goes, Iran could be weeks or months away from nuclear weapons, which was total bullshit. 0.98

01:56:03.000 It made absolutely no sense of the money. 0.93

01:56:04.000 Let me see what the post says.

01:56:05.000 Sure.

01:56:06.000 This is from, if you could find it, this is from last, it must have been last June.

01:56:08.000 Right, but is that a fact?

01:56:10.000 So if they're enriching uranium up to 60% and they just have to enrich it further for the ability to use it in nuclear weapons, that is a couple weeks away.

01:56:19.000 No, but not before it would be to build a bomb and to make it deliverable.

01:56:24.000 I think all the experts say at least a couple years.

01:56:26.000 But the point, aside from that, is that at the time, and this is over now, but at the time, Iran was still members of the JCPOA.

01:56:34.000 They were still in it.

01:56:35.000 What is that?

01:56:36.000 This is the Iran deal that Obama got us into.

01:56:39.000 And Obama is horrible on foreign policy.

01:56:42.000 He's the butcherer of Libya and Syria and Yemen. 0.99

01:56:45.000 And he surged in Afghanistan.

01:56:48.000 But in Iran, he made a deal with them.

01:56:51.000 But it wasn't just with the U.S. and Iran.

01:56:52.000 It also involved Russia and France and England.

01:56:57.000 And there were other countries involved in it too.

01:56:59.000 And the JCPOA said that Iran couldn't enrich above, I think it was 3% to 5% or something like that.

01:57:06.000 And they were staying in it.

01:57:07.000 And it created a new inspections regime, which Iran, so they were having full inspections.

01:57:11.000 They weren't enriched.

01:57:12.000 But the deal also said that if America gets out of the deal, they can enrich up to higher.

01:57:17.000 So when America got out of the deal, they started enriching.

01:57:20.000 And when did America get out of the deal?

01:57:22.000 Donald Trump tore it up in his first term, I want to say 2017 or 2018.

01:57:27.000 And then they immediately started enriching?

01:57:28.000 No, they went up a little bit.

01:57:30.000 And then I think there were a couple Israeli attacks, and then they went up to enriching at 60%. 0.90

01:57:34.000 But so the reason we knew they were enriching up to 60% is because they were still members of the JCPOA with an inspections regime who was going in there and saying they're enriching up to 60%.

01:57:43.000 Right.

01:57:43.000 How much do you actually know about enriching uranium and what it takes to turn it into a bomb?

01:57:48.000 Is the right term?

01:57:49.000 Let's read what she says.

01:57:50.000 New intelligence confirmed what POTUS has stated numerous times.

01:57:53.000 Iran's nuclear facilities have been destroyed.

01:57:55.000 Oh, no, I think this is after.

01:57:57.000 This is the right one.

01:57:58.000 Her tweet was before.

01:57:59.000 This is from June.

01:58:00.000 Yeah, this would have been just shortly before recently.

01:58:03.000 Her tweet was before we hit Fordo.

01:58:07.000 Yeah, this is June 25th.

01:58:08.000 There's a recent one, though.

01:58:10.000 Oh, edited June 25th.

01:58:13.000 Yeah, but it seems like it was still edited the day it was posted.

01:58:17.000 Probably.

01:58:17.000 But can you go to her page?

01:58:19.000 Because she doesn't tweet a lot.

01:58:20.000 She's not a psycho. 0.56

01:58:23.000 She's not one of those. 0.93

01:58:24.000 If she tweets, it's generally something important or someone from our team.

01:58:28.000 So is this the hold on?

01:58:32.000 Above that.

01:58:34.000 Overwhelmingly elected by the click on that show more.

01:58:37.000 I think that's it.

01:58:40.000 Well, this is what she testified to Congress this time.

01:58:42.000 I was referring to a different one from last.

01:58:45.000 But I also think this is a lie.

01:58:47.000 I mean, for her to say that the president determines what is an imminent threat or is not...

01:58:53.000 No, either there is an imminent threat or there is not one.

01:58:57.000 This is like saying the president determines the weather.

01:58:59.000 Right, right, right.

01:59:00.000 But you're taking her words out of context.

01:59:02.000 She's saying something that's factually correct. 0.58

01:59:04.000 As our commander-in-chief, he is responsible for determining what is and is not an imminent threat.

01:59:10.000 That is true.

01:59:11.000 And whether or not to take action he deems necessary to protect the safety and security of our troops, the American people, and our country.

01:59:17.000 That's just an actual fact.

01:59:19.000 Okay, yes, fair enough.

01:59:20.000 But when she testified before Congress, they asked her like, they asked her point blank a bunch of times about this.

01:59:26.000 And then she goes, that's not my job to determine what's an imminent threat.

01:59:30.000 That's the job of the president.

01:59:31.000 And if he says it is, then it is.

01:59:33.000 Okay, so look at this here.

01:59:34.000 Initially, she's contradicting Trump, saying that Iran did not rebuild after the 2025 strikes, contradicting Trump.

01:59:43.000 So this is also from Time Magazine.

01:59:45.000 So she's saying that.

01:59:46.000 No, what you're saying that she said earlier was a lie is not a lie, dude, because that is actually his fact.

01:59:54.000 I understand.

01:59:55.000 But you did say that was a lie, which you said was a lie.

01:59:57.000 Okay, fair enough.

01:59:58.000 That was not a lie.

01:59:59.000 But it was, but it is avoidably actually correct.

02:00:03.000 And if you're in a position like she's in, where you've got that guy breathing down your neck and you're forced to make a statement, you've got to tread very carefully on this tight rope that you're walking.

02:00:14.000 Okay, fine.

02:00:14.000 But let's just say, hypothetically, that you know for a fact that Iran did not pose an imminent threat.

02:00:20.000 And then that's your answer when you're asked if they did.

02:00:23.000 Fine.

02:00:23.000 It's not a lie, but it is very misleading, to say the least.

02:00:30.000 How much okay, hold on.

02:00:32.000 Intel Chief Gabbard declines to say if Iran posed an imminent threat to the U.S.

02:00:36.000 She declined to say on her own, personally.

02:00:40.000 This is the congressional test.

02:00:41.000 Yes, yes, yes.

02:00:41.000 I think this is what I was referring to here.

02:00:43.000 And she does at one point say that it's not her job to make that determination, which I do think is her entire job.

02:00:51.000 It's interesting.

02:00:52.000 Look, maybe I'm being a little harsh by saying lying in that example.

02:00:55.000 And fair enough to your point there.

02:00:57.000 Like, that technically is a true statement.

02:00:59.000 I do think it's very misleading.

02:01:00.000 And I do think that she really was the one who advocated against this specific war for the reasons that we're seeing unfold right now.

02:01:08.000 And I do think, I get your point.

02:01:10.000 It's a very tough tightrope to walk.

02:01:11.000 The options are essentially, I think, to do what Joe Kent did and resign or to stay on and support the thing.

02:01:18.000 I mean, I think it's kind of hard to thread that needle.

02:01:21.000 Right.

02:01:21.000 Do you think that there is any value in being one of the few reasonable voices that has his ear?

02:01:29.000 Yeah.

02:01:29.000 If ultimately it is his responsibility to determine what's an imminent threat and what is not, I would imagine that she gets access to most of the same classified information that he does as the director of national intelligence.

02:01:43.000 I don't know, though.

02:01:44.000 I don't know how it works.

02:01:45.000 But What can she do other than try to be a voice of reason if ultimately this guy is going to do what he wants to do, right?

02:01:54.000 And he's going to do it also what Israel wants to do, clearly. 0.66

02:01:58.000 Oh, yeah.

02:01:58.000 And he's talked about it, you know?

02:02:00.000 And also in his first term, I'll never forget this fucking conversation that he had with Steve Hilton because I think it was one of the first times since I remember where I've seen a president say, and Steve Hilton, by the way, I've been friends with him for 12 or 13 years. 0.95

02:02:13.000 Met him and his family in Maui on the beach when my daughter's really young and his kids are really young. 0.97

02:02:18.000 They became friends.

02:02:18.000 We've hung out together on vacation together.

02:02:20.000 He's a sweetheart of a guy.

02:02:21.000 I love that guy.

02:02:24.000 And when he was interviewing Trump, Trump said that there is a military-industrial complex and these guys want to go to war.

02:02:33.000 Yep.

02:02:34.000 And we were like, what?

02:02:36.000 This is crazy.

02:02:37.000 You're just saying that?

02:02:38.000 Like, you're just saying that.

02:02:39.000 It's one of the many reasons why a lot of people liked him.

02:02:44.000 So he would do things like that, where he would completely break protocol and just say, let me know.

02:02:50.000 Let me let you know, rather.

02:02:51.000 Let me inform you.

02:02:53.000 There's a bunch of people that want to go to war.

02:02:55.000 And they're pushing me all the time to go to war.

02:02:57.000 That's what they want.

02:02:58.000 It was so crazy, dude.

02:02:59.000 Because also, even Eisenhower, when he coined the term, it was in his farewell address to the nation.

02:03:03.000 He was literally like, this is my last stop, and then I'm leaving.

02:03:06.000 Trump was just in the middle of his presidency.

02:03:07.000 And he goes, all of them want war.

02:03:09.000 They all want me to be in war all the time.

02:03:11.000 If it was up to them, we'd always be at war.

02:03:13.000 And I do, you know, now, look, that was great.

02:03:16.000 I thought actually the one to me that was even crazier was if you remember when Bill O'Reilly was interviewing him and he's talking about Vladimir Putin.

02:03:24.000 And he goes, he's like, oh, well, you won't, you know, at the time, Donald Trump, which he had run on, he was trying, he was saying we should have détente with Russia.

02:03:31.000 He goes, like, why do we, you know, we have all the nuclear weapons. 0.98

02:03:34.000 Yeah, he goes, he goes, Putin's a killer. 0.97

02:03:36.000 You want to have a detente with a killer? 0.99

02:03:37.000 And he goes, we got a lot of killers too.

02:03:40.000 And then he goes, whoa, whoa, whoa, what do you mean we got a lot of killers too?

02:03:43.000 And he goes, what was Iraq?

02:03:44.000 What was that?

02:03:45.000 We got a lot of killers on our side too.

02:03:47.000 And then Bill O'Reilly's like, well, I mean, Iraq was a mistake. 0.95

02:03:50.000 But he goes, Yeah, we got a lot of killers too.

02:03:53.000 And I love that, by the way.

02:03:54.000 I mean, that was a that's breaking protocol.

02:03:57.000 Yes.

02:03:58.000 Yes.

02:03:58.000 Well, I think this is kind of, I think, one of the main reasons why the establishment revolted against Trump the way they did.

02:04:06.000 There's something very scary to the powers that be about a guy who, like, by his very nature, like, I don't even think he's capable of not letting things slip.

02:04:18.000 Right.

02:04:18.000 You know what I mean?

02:04:19.000 Like, he's just, that's who he is.

02:04:21.000 And that, you know, was a big thing that people really didn't like about him.

02:04:25.000 Very interesting to me is that so many of the never Trumpers have come to define his presidency.

02:04:34.000 Like if you, if you remember back in 2016, the war hawk kind of Israel firster Republican crowd, the neocons and all them, they hated Donald Trump, hated him with a passion.

02:04:49.000 Ben Shapiro was a never Trumper.

02:04:52.000 He said because of his deeply held principles, he could never support Donald Trump.

02:04:56.000 Mark Levin was a never Trumper.

02:04:58.000 All of National Review, all of them.

02:05:00.000 And now they are the biggest Trump supporters ever, as kind of he's blown up the coalition that got him elected.

02:05:08.000 So it's kind of interesting that they all, you know, you know, but again, tell those guys to all stay off Twitter.

02:05:16.000 There's not one thing that they ever say that makes them look better. 0.99

02:05:19.000 They get in these silly fucking, they just feel like they're going to make some stupid fucking statement and then refute a couple of people and don't understand the crowd reaction when you've got thousands of people tweeting against you now. 1.00

02:05:34.000 Thousands just attacking you, destroying you, posting memes, posting videos. 1.00

02:05:39.000 You said this and you said that. 1.00

02:05:40.000 You piece of shit. 1.00

02:05:41.000 It's amazing. 1.00

02:05:42.000 It's crazy.

02:05:43.000 I got to say, I do love that dynamic of it.

02:05:46.000 There's something that's why I stay off of it.

02:05:49.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:05:49.000 Well, that's you.

02:05:50.000 Look, there's problems with it, but there is something about that dynamic now that was just never true in the past.

02:05:55.000 Where it's like, look, I'm not saying it's perfect.

02:05:57.000 And obviously, there's bots and there's things like that.

02:06:00.000 So it's not like a, but the people kind of get a voice in a way that they never had before.

02:06:05.000 Right.

02:06:05.000 And there is something kind of cool about that.

02:06:08.000 100%.

02:06:09.000 I love it.

02:06:10.000 But it's not all the people either.

02:06:12.000 It's a lot of fake people.

02:06:13.000 There's a lot of like state-sponsored actors.

02:06:15.000 No, that's a lot of people.

02:06:16.000 That's true.

02:06:17.000 But there was always manipulation in the old order, also.

02:06:17.000 There's manipulation.

02:06:20.000 Did you see this YouTube bot farm that they just busted?

02:06:24.000 No. 0.96

02:06:24.000 They busted this fucking warehouse had cell phones all rigged up for YouTube views where people would just hire a company and say, hey, you know, part of the problems, I get enough views. 0.96

02:06:39.000 I'd really like to blow the fuck up and get to number one. 0.99

02:06:42.000 And you hire them and they can get views.

02:06:45.000 Yeah.

02:06:45.000 Interesting.

02:06:46.000 Well, that's also, I mean, I guess if there's a lot of advertisements, that's legit fraud.

02:06:49.000 100%.

02:06:50.000 That's like actual fraud.

02:06:52.000 100%.

02:06:53.000 And kind of a weird loophole where I don't think it's illegal.

02:06:56.000 Yeah, that's got to be the bot thing.

02:06:59.000 There's got to be some type of fraud, though, if you're like, if you're intentionally doing that, like maybe if you didn't know.

02:07:04.000 Right.

02:07:05.000 But listen, Twitter pays people.

02:07:07.000 X pays people to post.

02:07:11.000 So you pay based on engagement, right?

02:07:13.000 That's how you get paid.

02:07:14.000 So you farm out engagement. 0.83

02:07:17.000 So like, what percentage of what we're interacting with is just horseshit?

02:07:22.000 Well, I got so I know this story just happened. 0.69

02:07:25.000 A guy got arrested.

02:07:29.000 I think what happens is he made a fake band and bots to yeah, he had an AI generated song.

02:07:34.000 He got played billions of times in an effort to mimic the genuine streaming activity of real consumers.

02:07:40.000 Smith pled guilty today, conspirator to commit wire fraud.

02:07:44.000 Wire fraud.

02:07:45.000 Check this out, though.

02:07:45.000 I heard a similar story in Japan where.

02:07:47.000 First of all, let me stop you right there.

02:07:49.000 Michael Smith generated thousands of fake songs using artificial intelligence. 0.98

02:07:53.000 Hey, hey, hey, stop talking shit about AI music because it's not fake. 0.98

02:07:57.000 Those are real songs. 0.99

02:07:59.000 Don't say fake songs. 0.99

02:08:01.000 They're real songs and some of them are fucking bangers. 0.98

02:08:05.000 Unfortunately, some of them are really good. 0.97

02:08:08.000 You're going to like what I was going to say then.

02:08:10.000 A guide was doing this in Japan and it got viral.

02:08:14.000 And so he hired people to be the band.

02:08:17.000 And now the band is a real band.

02:08:20.000 Kind of popular.

02:08:21.000 So AI is creating jobs in this case.

02:08:23.000 Yeah.

02:08:24.000 Well, you know, Shifty Brent rules, though.

02:08:26.000 You can never create him in real life.

02:08:28.000 He's the guy who does the 50 Cent ones.

02:08:30.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:08:31.000 I've seen quite a few things.

02:08:33.000 First of all, that guy was real. 0.99

02:08:34.000 He'd have lungs like a fucking ultra marathon runner because the flow. 0.99

02:08:38.000 Like, how can you even have air to say what you're saying? 0.99

02:08:40.000 Like, someone was saying that to me.

02:08:42.000 She was like, I think you couldn't do this.

02:08:44.000 And my argument was Eminem.

02:08:46.000 I was like, yeah, you could.

02:08:47.000 You would just have to be wicked at it, like Eminem. 0.99

02:08:49.000 Like, Eminem in his prime, that motherfucker can spit in a way where you're like, I can't believe he's still talking. 0.99

02:08:55.000 Yeah, it was. 0.99

02:08:56.000 I remember there were a couple of his things where I was like, I don't, can he actually do this?

02:09:00.000 And then I saw him do it live.

02:09:02.000 And not like I was there, but on YouTube, like where you're like, oh, he can actually rap like that.

02:09:06.000 Recently.

02:09:07.000 I saw him recently. 0.99

02:09:08.000 It was fucking great. 0.98

02:09:09.000 He's still thin. 0.99

02:09:10.000 He looks good.

02:09:12.000 He was killing it, man. 0.77

02:09:13.000 He was killing it. 1.00

02:09:13.000 But those speed in which he can rap made me go, maybe AI is not bullshit. 1.00

02:09:19.000 But, you know, 50 Cent himself was much more casual in his delivery. 0.75

02:09:24.000 Yes.

02:09:24.000 You know, and it was much slower.

02:09:27.000 This Shifty Brent AI version is like, damn, that was a real person. 0.95

02:09:33.000 That'd be pretty great. 0.98

02:09:34.000 He would be the greatest artist.

02:09:35.000 There was a guy, I can't remember his name, but just like the other day, some guy, he works for Fox News, and he came out and had a whole post about me.

02:09:44.000 And he goes, he goes, Dave Smith's account is clearly botted by foreign.

02:09:49.000 And I'm almost like when he said that, I was almost kind of like, there's a weird thing.

02:09:53.000 Like, I know I've never paid for anything, but like, I don't know, you know what I mean?

02:09:58.000 Like what someone else might have done or something like that.

02:10:00.000 But I asked him, but I replied to him and I go, wait, what evidence do you have of this?

02:10:05.000 And then his post was that he said, because I had 900,000 followers on Twitter, but I'm playing Laugh Boston this weekend.

02:10:15.000 And he goes, that's a 300-seat venue.

02:10:18.000 I play that many times too.

02:10:20.000 I was like, first of all, he doesn't understand.

02:10:22.000 You just don't get comedy clubs, dude.

02:10:23.000 Like, this is not.

02:10:24.000 First of all, I'm doing five shows there.

02:10:26.000 By the way, come on out this weekend.

02:10:28.000 Great club.

02:10:29.000 Great club.

02:10:30.000 One of my favorite weekends of last year.

02:10:32.000 It's a foreign great room.

02:10:33.000 But I was like, look, man, I sold out all the shows last year, hoping to do the same this year.

02:10:37.000 But I go, that is any, like, I just know the industry of stand-up comedy pretty well.

02:10:43.000 And I was like, anybody who you're saying would be selling more than that, so what, selling out big theaters or selling out a stadium or something like that?

02:10:49.000 All the people who do that have more followers than me.

02:10:52.000 So like, he's not even right about the ratio of it or whatever.

02:10:55.000 He doesn't understand numbers.

02:10:57.000 But then I kind of like, I grilled him on it a bit more because, listen, I'm kind of like you, like when you were talking about suing CNN back in the day for slandering you, like, I'm never actually going to do it, but I don't mind saying it.

02:11:10.000 You know what I mean?

02:11:10.000 So like, so I tagged Fox News and I go, hey, Fox News, shouldn't you have some evidence if you're going to make a claim?

02:11:15.000 Like, I'm clearly botted by foreign influence or whatever.

02:11:18.000 Fox News actually said it?

02:11:20.000 The guy works for Fox News.

02:11:21.000 Was he on Fox News?

02:11:22.000 No, he's at just on Twitter.

02:11:24.000 Twitter.

02:11:24.000 But he's like a Fox News contributor or something like that.

02:11:27.000 Right.

02:11:27.000 But I'm a UFC contributor.

02:11:28.000 It wouldn't be like the UFC.

02:11:30.000 Yeah, I guess I guess that's true.

02:11:31.000 So I don't know.

02:11:32.000 Maybe it would just be him either way.

02:11:33.000 I'm not suing anyone.

02:11:34.000 But I did want him to just, I go, just admit you don't have any evidence for this.

02:11:38.000 Like, just retract that.

02:11:39.000 Well, here's the thing.

02:11:40.000 I would agree that your account is botted because you're a very controversial public figure.

02:11:45.000 So all of them are.

02:11:47.000 I'm sure my account is botted too.

02:11:49.000 I'm sure Jamie's account is botted.

02:11:51.000 100%, right?

02:11:55.000 I think Jamie might be a bot himself.

02:11:56.000 We're all botted, man.

02:11:58.000 If you look at, you know, we brought up this up a million times, but there was an FBI, former FBI analyst who analyzed Twitter before the purchase, and it was his take that as much as 80% might be artificial.

02:12:11.000 Now, this is back then, before Elon purchased it.

02:12:14.000 I think they've taken some steps to try to ensure one of the things is you have to, you could go to the person's page.

02:12:22.000 You could see what country they're posting from.

02:12:24.000 Yes.

02:12:24.000 I like that.

02:12:25.000 Yeah.

02:12:25.000 Because there's a lot of people that are like pro-America.

02:12:27.000 And you're like, hey, man, you're in Pakistan.

02:12:29.000 Like, what's going on here?

02:12:30.000 This is kind of kooky.

02:12:32.000 So there's a lot of that going on.

02:12:33.000 I've had, I've had before where people go like, oh, Dave, you always say Israel's trying to lie us into war, but this is America.

02:12:40.000 We decide what war we're going to fight.

02:12:41.000 And then you click it, Israel.

02:12:45.000 But at least we're getting steps to know those. 1.00

02:12:48.000 Listen, if it wasn't for Elon Musk, we would be fucked. 0.99

02:12:51.000 I've said this before. 0.99

02:12:52.000 I'll say it again.

02:12:53.000 History will go back and look at his purchasing Twitter.

02:12:58.000 And it has changed the course of communication in this country for the better.

02:13:05.000 I know a lot of you thought, oh my God, that racism is up and all this stuff is up.

02:13:09.000 That's people.

02:13:10.000 That's the internet.

02:13:11.000 That is an accurate representation of people.

02:13:14.000 It's not good, but it's also accurate.

02:13:17.000 And the only way that's going to change is if the other voices are more compelling.

02:13:22.000 And at least now they have an opportunity to do that.

02:13:25.000 Yeah, well, and you have to kind of engage in this.

02:13:28.000 And I'm not saying you have to be on Twitter or something like that, but I'm just saying, like, if you want to, you know, I would love very much to get to a place where like, you'd be like, hey, let's all agree that we're not on board with the bigotry stuff.

02:13:42.000 And I mean this, like, whether it's against white men or whether it's against black men or whether it's against Jews or whether it's against Muslims or whatever.

02:13:48.000 And I see a whole lot of all of that.

02:13:50.000 And I'd love to move past that.

02:13:52.000 I also would like, like, I wish there was a way that like Mark Levin and Tucker Carlson could have like a cool conversation.

02:14:02.000 You know what I mean?

02:14:03.000 And not like, not like be like, well, look, it's like.

02:14:05.000 I wish Santa Claus and Jesus would come meet me for dinner.

02:14:08.000 Well, both would be nice.

02:14:10.000 The latter is more likely, I think, too, at this point.

02:14:12.000 You know, I had a weird thing.

02:14:14.000 I don't know if you saw this, but Ben Shapiro had, he made this video about like, about Piers Morgan and like going at him over having me on the show.

02:14:27.000 And he went this whole thing.

02:14:28.000 And so he says to me, or he said, you know, he insults me a few times or whatever.

02:14:33.000 And then he goes, now I can hear Dave Smith right now.

02:14:37.000 And his response to this is, debate me, bro, which fair enough.

02:14:41.000 That kind of is always my, I only have one tool in my toolkit.

02:14:44.000 Like, come, let's podcast about this.

02:14:47.000 I don't know.

02:14:47.000 Like, this is what I do.

02:14:48.000 I talk.

02:14:49.000 But he's not willing to do that.

02:14:50.000 He goes, no, because you're like so, he said, because I don't debate such intellectually dishonest people or something like that, which I thought was a weird criticism of me. 0.99

02:15:00.000 Like, you could say I'm wrong, but I do believe the shit I say. 0.95

02:15:03.000 Yeah, I don't think you're in the, I don't think in any demonstration of any, I don't think there's a single moment that I could point to that I think that you've been intellectually dishonest. 0.98

02:15:14.000 I think that is like factually incorrect.

02:15:17.000 Well, then that is gaslighting.

02:15:19.000 You are very honest.

02:15:21.000 You're a very honest person.

02:15:23.000 Thank you.

02:15:23.000 I try to be.

02:15:24.000 No, you are.

02:15:25.000 It's one of the things I love about you. 0.96

02:15:27.000 You're honest about your fuck-ups. 0.82

02:15:29.000 You're honest about what you're incorrect about and what bothered you about things that you've said. 0.52

02:15:35.000 You're very honest. 0.58

02:15:36.000 So that's a silly thing to say. 0.66

02:15:37.000 That's total gaslighting. 0.68

02:15:39.000 Well, it's also, well, I look at it like this.

02:15:40.000 And I don't, you know, honestly, like, obviously, if Ben Shapiro wanted to debate, I would do.

02:15:45.000 I was dealing with everybody before.

02:15:47.000 Well, that's the thing.

02:15:48.000 You go, dude, you can't say I'm beyond the pale when you're known for debating 19-year-olds who are confused about their gender.

02:15:54.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:15:55.000 Everybody.

02:15:56.000 No, I don't know if you remember this.

02:15:57.000 And this to me, I actually think is very interesting.

02:16:00.000 But I don't know if you remember this.

02:16:01.000 But on this show, Ben was on years ago.

02:16:03.000 And this is years before October 7th or anything like that.

02:16:06.000 But he was saying, he was talking about Israel, his defense for Israel.

02:16:10.000 And you go, that's interesting.

02:16:12.000 Would you ever debate someone who's a critic of Israel?

02:16:15.000 And just generically, not about a specific person.

02:16:18.000 And he goes, absolutely.

02:16:19.000 I'd be happy to do that.

02:16:20.000 And the thing about guys like that is that, particularly with Ben Shapiro, for the last two and a half years, his number one issue, Israel, has been the number one topic of conversation.

02:16:31.000 And in that time, Israel's support has been bleeding.

02:16:35.000 I mean, just like to a level you couldn't have imagined.

02:16:37.000 You couldn't have imagined two and a half years ago to go, this will be a pro-Palestinian country.

02:16:41.000 That was unthinkable.

02:16:42.000 And it's become that.

02:16:44.000 And forget me.

02:16:45.000 There's way better people than me.

02:16:47.000 But Ben Shapiro debated no one.

02:16:50.000 He never once had a conversation with a competent critic of Israel.

02:16:56.000 And that, listen, people saw that.

02:16:59.000 People noticed that.

02:17:00.000 And so I kind of in a weird way feel like it's like, hey, dude, I don't care if you do the debate with me or not.

02:17:05.000 I wish, I don't think we ever can.

02:17:07.000 I wish there would be a world where we could have a good faith conversation, like a guy with me and Ben Shapiro.

02:17:11.000 But he refused to do it with anyone.

02:17:14.000 Anyway, so while you're smearing everybody who's a critic of Israel, you're not willing to like, you, listen, there are some people who don't debate, but he branded himself as the debate guy.

02:17:24.000 Right.

02:17:24.000 If you don't like Dave, sit down with Scott Horton.

02:17:26.000 Sure, absolutely. 0.99

02:17:27.000 Scott Horton's way smarter than me and knows way more shit than me anyway. 0.99

02:17:29.000 So talk to him about it, dude. 0.99

02:17:31.000 I mean, he's a better person.

02:17:32.000 If you're saying that this is the reason why you won't do it, that sounds crazy because wouldn't you want to debate someone who's intellectually dishonest?

02:17:38.000 Because it would be so easy to refute them with facts.

02:17:40.000 Exactly.

02:17:41.000 So come.

02:17:41.000 It would be perfect.

02:17:42.000 It's like dating.

02:17:43.000 It's like sparring a guy who knows fake kung fu.

02:17:47.000 You know, he thinks he's got a death touch and you're Dustin Poirier.

02:17:49.000 You're like, oh, yeah, bro, lace the gloves up.

02:17:51.000 Let's go.

02:17:52.000 Well, that was kind of my thing with the Douglas Murray thing, too, where it was like at a certain point, you're like, dude, you can't just say you're an expert and I'm not an expert.

02:17:59.000 Demonstrate that.

02:18:01.000 If that's the case, then it should be easy for you to just shop me up in front of the world right now.

02:18:06.000 There were also some things that you had to correct him on.

02:18:08.000 Yeah, there's two things.

02:18:10.000 Yeah, he just got it wrong. 1.00

02:18:11.000 And you could see the tremor in his eyes, like, oh, shit. 0.99

02:18:14.000 Like, they don't want to give up that ground because they're playing a very different game. 0.99

02:18:17.000 And the game is not, let's be intellectually honest about what we think is going on and what we think is good and bad about what's going on versus I'm trying to win.

02:18:27.000 Yeah.

02:18:27.000 And one of the ways I try to win is by I can appeal to authority.

02:18:32.000 You're not an expert.

02:18:34.000 You know, you're not of this.

02:18:35.000 You're not a professor.

02:18:36.000 You don't, you've never been there. 1.00

02:18:38.000 Yeah, that kind of shit. 1.00

02:18:40.000 That is all like hack-ass fake kung fu moves. 1.00

02:18:45.000 You know, you're going to try on Francis and Gano. 0.79

02:18:47.000 You know what I mean?

02:18:47.000 Yeah, like, okay, so good luck with that.

02:18:50.000 Not that I'm comparing you to Francis.

02:18:51.000 That's very disrespectful to Francis.

02:18:55.000 Certainly not when it comes to fighting.

02:18:56.000 He'd much rather fight me.

02:18:57.000 This Rod Rousey card, they got Francis fighting Philip Linz.

02:19:01.000 Philip Linz, who was a light heavyweight in the UFC, and the UFC cut him, and he's fighting the scariest heavyweight who's ever walked the face of the earth.

02:19:08.000 I mean, prime time.

02:19:09.000 Next to primetime Aleister Overim.

02:19:11.000 Primetime Aleister Overim, when he was Uberim, I think, is even scarier.

02:19:15.000 I think because he was way skillful.

02:19:17.000 He was terrifying when he was on the sauce.

02:19:20.000 Yes, but even Francis, Francis was a thing where Francis almost has a thing where it just seems like you have to fight a perfect against him.

02:19:32.000 Which Stipe Miocic did their first fight.

02:19:34.000 Their first fight.

02:19:35.000 He took a lot of shots.

02:19:36.000 That's the thing about Stipe.

02:19:37.000 Stipe could take a shot.

02:19:39.000 And you would see he'd jab him and he'd be rocked, but he'd still get the takedown.

02:19:43.000 And he exhausted him.

02:19:44.000 He beat him with skill, strategy, experience, everything.

02:19:48.000 But in the second one, DC said it best. 0.99

02:19:50.000 He goes, a patient, Francis is a fucking terrifying thing. 0.98

02:19:53.000 Dude, my favorite commentary ever in a fight was when DC said, it was just so hilarious to me. 0.99

02:19:59.000 It was so real.

02:20:00.000 Like, he just meant it.

02:20:01.000 But it was when Francis and Ganu fought Gone and he grappled a little bit in that fight, which we had never seen him do before.

02:20:10.000 But there was one point where he was on the ground and he took his back or something like that.

02:20:15.000 Like he passed his guard or he took his back or something like that.

02:20:17.000 And DC just goes, oh my God, he's doing jujitsu now.

02:20:22.000 It was like he was speaking of a robot who just learned how to feel feelings.

02:20:25.000 He goes, oh my God, it's learning.

02:20:27.000 It's advancing.

02:20:28.000 This is so terrifying now.

02:20:30.000 A guy that's that much of a destroyer that learns how to take backs and strangle people too and control you from the back and blast you unconscious like he did with that dude in the PFL in his last fight took his back and just blasted him into the netherworld.

02:20:43.000 Yeah, that's that's scary.

02:20:44.000 He's the scariest guy that's ever fought in the UFC.

02:20:47.000 Props to that dude for taking the fight.

02:20:49.000 Natural clean guy.

02:20:50.000 I should say that.

02:20:50.000 Okay.

02:20:51.000 With a cap.

02:20:51.000 Fair enough.

02:20:52.000 Fair enough.

02:20:52.000 Because we only got a couple Aleister Overem fights where he was Uberim, the big one being Brock Lesnar.

02:20:58.000 That was the big one.

02:20:59.000 And of course, the other fight on that card that they added, which is huge, is the Nate Diaz.

02:21:03.000 Well, here's my point.

02:21:04.000 Nate Diaz is fighting.

02:21:06.000 Yes.

02:21:06.000 I'm paying whatever you're charging.

02:21:08.000 I'm going to be wherever it is.

02:21:10.000 And it's Mike Perry.

02:21:11.000 Great fight. 1.00

02:21:12.000 Bad motherfucker. 1.00

02:21:13.000 That's a great fight. 0.99

02:21:14.000 But my point is, they also have Roe Bellis de Spain, who's on the card, who's a 6'7 ⁇ , Cuban taekwondo expert, who's a heavyweight.

02:21:23.000 He's a knockout artist.

02:21:25.000 Like, why didn't they have him?

02:21:27.000 He's fighting Junior Dosantos.

02:21:29.000 And Junior Dos Santos is, you know, he was an all-time great, but he had a long career.

02:21:35.000 And he's had some bad knockouts.

02:21:36.000 Some wars, too.

02:21:37.000 Bad wars.

02:21:38.000 The wars with Cain Velasquez took years off his life.

02:21:40.000 I know.

02:21:41.000 With Dipe.

02:21:42.000 It was almost criminal that they didn't stop both of those fights.

02:21:45.000 Well, it were definitely horrible and terrible to watch.

02:21:48.000 But the point is, Robellis is huge.

02:21:51.000 He's a real heavyweight.

02:21:52.000 He's a big giant knockout artist.

02:21:53.000 Like, that would have been an interesting fight versus Francis.

02:21:56.000 Big, super tall guy that's hard to hit.

02:21:59.000 Yeah.

02:21:59.000 And if it just is a striking fight, the problem is Robellis, he got exposed in his last UFC fight on the ground.

02:22:06.000 He got beat up.

02:22:07.000 His ground game is not that good.

02:22:09.000 Could have gotten better.

02:22:10.000 But on the feet, that's a little bit more interesting to me than Philip.

02:22:13.000 Although Philip's a skillful fighter, you know, he's just used to fighting at light heavyweight.

02:22:18.000 The UFC cuts him, and now all of a sudden he's fighting against Francis.

02:22:23.000 Yeah, that's a little bit of a mismatch. 0.98

02:22:26.000 But hey, I mean, you know, we've seen crazy shit happening. 0.77

02:22:30.000 Felipe, I think it's pronounced Felipe, Felipe Linz. 0.97

02:22:33.000 But he's a good fighter.

02:22:35.000 It's not a bad fight in that sense, but it's like you're going up against a guy with a chip on his shoulder that they're paying $20 million.

02:22:42.000 He's the lineal, I don't know what they're paying him.

02:22:44.000 I'm just guessing.

02:22:45.000 But he's the lineal heavyweight champion of the world, the real one.

02:22:48.000 Like, if you really like plot it out, no one beat him for the title.

02:22:53.000 That's a crazy fight.

02:22:54.000 It's like that's how shallow the heavyweight division is outside of the UFC.

02:22:59.000 There's so few fights for you to get Francis for.

02:23:03.000 There's so few fights in the UFC.

02:23:05.000 I mean, the UFC's heavyweight division is a real mess.

02:23:09.000 It's very hard to find gigantic men who are excellent fighters, I guess.

02:23:14.000 There's a lot in Russia.

02:23:15.000 Okay.

02:23:16.000 There's guys that are fighting in other countries that are really good that are coming up.

02:23:19.000 It's just like it's hard to get them over here. 1.00

02:23:22.000 There's Josh Hokut, he's a bad motherfucker. 0.99

02:23:24.000 That's what a wrestler dude who's crazy who has these crazy speeches after the fight, puts on an American flag bandana. 1.00

02:23:30.000 And he said, Brittany Griner has a dick. 1.00

02:23:33.000 Brittany Griner's a man. 1.00

02:23:35.000 I forget what he said. 0.99

02:23:36.000 But he's just nuts. 0.86

02:23:37.000 But he's also really smart about marketing. 0.97

02:23:39.000 Who's the other guy?

02:23:40.000 You talked about him several times.

02:23:41.000 He's the Olympic wrestler guy.

02:23:44.000 Oh, Gabe.

02:23:45.000 Gabe, yeah.

02:23:46.000 Yeah, Gable.

02:23:46.000 Stevens.

02:23:47.000 Yeah, he's not in yet, though.

02:23:48.000 He's not in.

02:23:49.000 I had him on the podcast.

02:23:50.000 He's not in the UFC yet. 0.99

02:23:51.000 Yeah, but when he's in the UFC, he's going to be a fucking problem. 0.98

02:23:56.000 Olympic gold medalist, elite wrestler, moves like a cat, 250 pounds, young, super dedicated, and just recently learned striking and is fucking people up with his hands. 0.99

02:24:08.000 Yeah.

02:24:09.000 And is picking it up quite quickly.

02:24:10.000 And is a John Jones protege.

02:24:12.000 So he's been being mentored by the GOAT and absorbing his mindset.

02:24:19.000 And that guy's helping him.

02:24:21.000 He's investing his time into training him. 0.98

02:24:24.000 If you're a young guy, you know what a fucking boost of confidence? 0.96

02:24:27.000 The greatest of all time says you're going to be the man. 1.00

02:24:31.000 You're going to be the fucking man. 0.99

02:24:32.000 You just stick with this plan and they're bringing him up the right way. 1.00

02:24:35.000 He fought in dirty boxing.

02:24:36.000 He fought some small MMA organizations.

02:24:39.000 He's just like building up experience.

02:24:41.000 Yeah, and there's not, there's never been a lot of, but there's not really right now in the heavyweight landscape.

02:24:50.000 There isn't really like a Frank Meir or what's his name?

02:24:56.000 Minotaur Noguera.

02:24:59.000 Where there used to be these guys who were like kind of known for fighting off their back.

02:25:02.000 You know what I mean?

02:25:03.000 Like most heavyweights don't really like fighting off their back.

02:25:07.000 Even the guys who are really good at jiu-jitsu.

02:25:08.000 I also think just in general, fighting off your back is a lot harder than it used to be.

02:25:11.000 Fabricio for Doom was the greatest.

02:25:13.000 Yes.

02:25:13.000 Yes, that's a great example.

02:25:14.000 He was incredible.

02:25:15.000 He was the best at it.

02:25:16.000 But there aren't really that many guys like that.

02:25:18.000 A lot of these guys, you take them down.

02:25:20.000 They're in trouble.

02:25:21.000 They're in trouble.

02:25:21.000 Yeah.

02:25:22.000 And when you got a guy like Gable, guess what, bitch? 1.00

02:25:24.000 You're going to get taken down. 1.00

02:25:25.000 And there's not a fucking thing you can do about it. 0.99

02:25:29.000 That is a next level wrestler. 0.98

02:25:31.000 I just saw one of his recent fights where He's finishing a double leg before he realized he knocked the guy out, it seemed like he KOs him with a left hook, and he's so fast that as the guy's collapsing on the way down, he shoots a double, connects,

02:25:45.000 takes him to the ground while he's unconscious.

02:25:47.000 So, before the guy has a chance to drop, that's how fast he is.

02:25:51.000 He's already on him, taking him down, and pounds him out while he's already unconscious.

02:25:54.000 Yeah, that was scary. 1.00

02:25:57.000 That guy's a problem, he's a problem, and that's an American heavyweight motherfucker. 0.99

02:26:01.000 We need one of those. 0.99

02:26:02.000 We need some American champions.

02:26:03.000 We're down, get him in the White House.

02:26:06.000 Yeah, I mean, are there any American champions right now?

02:26:08.000 Who are the American champions?

02:26:10.000 Um, Mackenzie Dern is the straw weight champion, so she's technically an American, although her dad is a very famous Brazilian legend.

02:26:21.000 Okay, yeah, Megaton Diaz is her dad, and she was a jiu-jitsu Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu champion, but she is American, so she's a champion.

02:26:31.000 Other than that, who Sean Strickland's fighting for the title Kayla Harrison, that's right.

02:26:38.000 So, it's only women that are the Americans, yeah. 1.00

02:26:42.000 Look at that, boy, you're gonna see a lot of those dudes with those beards as they keep coming over here.

02:26:48.000 You're gonna see a little Joshua Van is an American, that's right. 0.96

02:26:51.000 Um, you're gonna see a lot of those dudes.

02:26:53.000 That's a caveat, though, the Joshua Van.

02:26:55.000 No disrespect for Joshua because I think he's an awesome fighter, but he won that fight.

02:26:59.000 We got to have a rematch on that one.

02:27:00.000 That was a freak injury.

02:27:01.000 I mean, he fell and dislocated his arm.

02:27:04.000 It's a complete freak injury.

02:27:06.000 Um, and Pantosia still hasn't fully recovered from that, so it was pretty bad. 0.99

02:27:10.000 Whatever the fuck. 0.98

02:27:11.000 They said his shoulder dislocated and his elbow. 1.00

02:27:14.000 Yeah, I remember hearing that afterward.

02:27:16.000 It looked like it was just his elbow, but they said the doctor had said it was his shoulder.

02:27:21.000 And so, what it would the thing about the elbow is the elbow is a less complicated joint, right?

02:27:27.000 And so, when the elbow gets dislocated, if someone just pulls on it, it can pop back into place.

02:27:32.000 So, like, saying that there's as long as they know what they're doing, right?

02:27:36.000 Because you don't want to do it like Yuri Prohaska's team did and rip his shoulder apart and need surgery.

02:27:41.000 You probably need surgery anyway.

02:27:43.000 If it was dislocating like that, it was probably loose.

02:27:45.000 But the point is that, like, his elbow might have popped back into place by the time they brought him backstage. 0.97

02:27:51.000 And that's when they realized his shoulder was fucked because his shoulder probably hurt more even than his elbow. 0.95

02:27:57.000 That was unfortunate because that was a real interesting thing. 0.98

02:27:59.000 You dislocate a lot, you know.

02:28:01.000 And, you know, sometimes people dislocate their shoulders and don't even realize they do.

02:28:06.000 Oh, really?

02:28:06.000 And I apparently, according to this orthopedic surgeon that I went to back in the day, before I realized that stem cells could fix it, this guy was convincing me that I had to have surgery.

02:28:17.000 And one of the things he said, you know that your shoulder's been dislocated.

02:28:20.000 And I said, it has?

02:28:21.000 He goes, you didn't know?

02:28:22.000 I go, no.

02:28:23.000 He goes, how many times you hurt your shoulder?

02:28:25.000 I go, how much time you got?

02:28:26.000 I'm just going to sit down and talk about how many times I've been camorrid, how many times I've been fucking arm blocked, how many times I've been caught in a triangle, how many times, you know, posting on the ground, I've jostled my shoulder.

02:28:38.000 The good news is there have been no fracture or ligament injury.

02:28:41.000 That's great.

02:28:41.000 Oh, that's Pahumpa.

02:28:43.000 Said that.

02:28:43.000 So from that, we have great expectations for his return, but the exact time frame is still unknown.

02:28:48.000 He still needs a lot of physiotherapy.

02:28:50.000 Start moving his arm.

02:28:51.000 Wow, then he can go back to light training and then hard training. 0.59

02:28:54.000 Bro, we got to get that guy down to fucking the CPI in, you know, the Cellular Performance Institute that the UFC uses.

02:29:03.000 Get that dude down to Tijuana. 0.64

02:29:06.000 I'm worried about the new model for the UFC.

02:29:08.000 The Paramount model?

02:29:09.000 I'm worried about the Warren Around and the new UFC model.

02:29:12.000 This is what keeps me up at night.

02:29:13.000 I get it.

02:29:14.000 So what are you worried about with the new UFC model?

02:29:16.000 Look, I'm no genius, but it seems to me, like, I'm a hardcore fan of the UFC, right?

02:29:23.000 So I was, you know, I order every pay-per-view.

02:29:27.000 Right.

02:29:27.000 Everyone.

02:29:27.000 You know, and so any Saturday, if I'm on the road in my green room, we're watching the UFC.

02:29:33.000 If I'm not on the road, I'm either at home watching it or I'm trying to go to the event if it's in town.

02:29:38.000 Right.

02:29:38.000 So then it's like, okay, ESPN is over.

02:29:43.000 We're not doing that anymore.

02:29:45.000 So then they're going, we're switching to Paramount.

02:29:46.000 Now, I already had Paramount because my kids like some shows on Paramount.

02:29:50.000 Yep.

02:29:50.000 So now.

02:29:51.000 Landman.

02:29:52.000 Yeah.

02:29:52.000 Oh, yeah.

02:29:52.000 I watch Landman.

02:29:53.000 Great show.

02:29:55.000 So, you know, so like I have Paramount Plus.

02:29:57.000 I'm like, oh, okay, well, that's easy enough.

02:29:58.000 And then I'm like, so wait a minute.

02:30:00.000 Hold on.

02:30:00.000 So you tell me I just get everyone for free now?

02:30:03.000 I just don't have to order pay-per-views anymore.

02:30:05.000 And there's just something about that.

02:30:06.000 Now, I'm not saying whether this is Paramount's mistake or the UFC's mistake or whatever, but just like the basics of business to me go, so you just had a loyal customer who's very happy to pay for every pay-per-view.

02:30:20.000 And I'm just not now.

02:30:22.000 Like this just on some level, now I understand it's because Paramount gave them a whole bunch of money, but on some level, I go, number one, I go, but how is this good for business if the customer no longer has to pay for a thing that I was happily paying for?

02:30:35.000 Let me correct you.

02:30:36.000 Okay, sure.

02:30:36.000 First of all, Paramount, the idea of doing this and investing $7 billion into the UFC over the next few years, the positive that they're going to get from that with loyal new customers is massive.

02:30:53.000 So it's introducing it to a whole new audience.

02:30:55.000 If you're a loyal pay-per-view buyer, if you spend, what is it, 70 bucks for a pay-per-view?

02:31:01.000 I think something like that.

02:31:02.000 So 70 bucks for this big-time pay-per-view card.

02:31:05.000 Now you get it for free.

02:31:07.000 You just have to pay for Paramount Plus every month for the year.

02:31:10.000 You're saving so much money.

02:31:12.000 So the amount of new people that are going to go, oh, this is awesome.

02:31:16.000 I don't have to pay for pay-per-view anymore.

02:31:18.000 I pay for Paramount Plus and I get all these awesome shows too, because Paramount Plus has a ton of shows.

02:31:25.000 Great deal for the consumer.

02:31:26.000 You get roped in through that, and then you go looking around on Paramount Plus and you stay a loyal subscriber.

02:31:33.000 They have all these years with this new influx of viewers from the UFC deal to build up more of a library, more shows.

02:31:40.000 It's huge for business.

02:31:42.000 Okay, fair enough.

02:31:43.000 Take their app from where it is now and take their streaming model from where it is now and quadruple it over the next X amount of years.

02:31:50.000 So they're okay.

02:31:50.000 So for them, they're bringing in the whole UFC audience.

02:31:53.000 And how many people would look at a pay-per-view card and look, I would buy every one of them.

02:31:58.000 Even when I was working for the UFC, I would go on ESPN Plus and I would buy them, even though I was there.

02:32:05.000 I was like, I want to be able to watch it in the gym when I get home.

02:32:07.000 I'm going to buy it.

02:32:08.000 And so you've got all these people that were looking at those cards that were like, this one, I don't know.

02:32:17.000 I don't know if that's worth $70.

02:32:19.000 If you're on a budget and you're looking at this one, you're like, who's fighting?

02:32:23.000 Nah, I'm going to pass on this one.

02:32:25.000 I'll watch it in a couple of weeks on ESPN Plus.

02:32:28.000 Because you could just wait a few weeks.

02:32:29.000 I don't know how long the timeframe is, but you can wait a few weeks and you can watch it.

02:32:33.000 You don't have to do that anymore.

02:32:34.000 It's $10 a month.

02:32:35.000 What is Paramount Plus a month?

02:32:37.000 How much does it cost?

02:32:37.000 I think they upped it to maybe $12 or $13, but I'm not.

02:32:40.000 Let's find out so we're accurate.

02:32:42.000 But you're saving so much money.

02:32:45.000 But also on ESPN, they charged you something like that too.

02:32:48.000 Like you had to pay an ESPN fee and then you had to pay for each individual pay-per-view.

02:32:53.000 So no, listen, I'm saving a lot of money off this.

02:32:55.000 Okay, $13.99 a month or $139 a year for the ad-free premium plan, which includes Showtime.

02:33:03.000 New and former subscribers can currently get any monthly plan for $2.99 a month for the first two months.

02:33:09.000 It's not bad.

02:33:10.000 So for a new subscriber, you could try it out for two months for $2.99 a month and watch every UFC for $2.99 a month for two months. 0.94

02:33:17.000 It's fucking worth it.

02:33:19.000 And then you're going to get this huge influx of people that, you know, if you're on a budget, you're not going to subscribe to Paramount Plus. 0.98

02:33:26.000 You already got Netflix.

02:33:27.000 Netflix costs X amount of money.

02:33:29.000 Maybe you got HBO Max.

02:33:31.000 That's X amount of money.

02:33:32.000 Okay, I can't afford Paramount too.

02:33:34.000 I don't want to pay another $10 a month or $14 a month.

02:33:37.000 Now, you just, it's easy.

02:33:39.000 Like, no pay-per-views.

02:33:41.000 Yeah, they made a lot of wives of hardcore fans happy. 0.99

02:33:45.000 I'm sure for that, you're like, I don't have to buy these pay-per-views anymore.

02:33:47.000 They're like, you know, they get the Paramount shows and they don't have to do that.

02:33:51.000 All right, fair enough.

02:33:52.000 I guess it's just in some ways, I guess, and I don't really have much of a mind for business, but in some ways, there's just a thing where it's like, we've always done it this way.

02:34:01.000 Now we're doing it a whole new way.

02:34:03.000 Yeah, but it's been on streaming for the last few years.

02:34:05.000 Yeah, that's it.

02:34:05.000 So it's always been on an app anyway.

02:34:07.000 And then Paramount, you could get it on Apple TV.

02:34:10.000 You can get it on Android TV.

02:34:12.000 You can get it on all these different things.

02:34:13.000 It's like there's no reason to not have it.

02:34:16.000 It's easy.

02:34:16.000 It's just great for as a business move for Paramount.

02:34:20.000 It was a smart fucking move because you get this built-in hardcore fan base. 0.94

02:34:24.000 Now, have some of the cards been lackluster? 0.98

02:34:27.000 Yes.

02:34:28.000 But guess what?

02:34:29.000 That has always been the case.

02:34:31.000 Yeah, that's just a matter of time.

02:34:32.000 Go eventually watch Rose Nama Yunis versus Carlos Barza.

02:34:36.000 There's been some fights back in the day that just weren't great.

02:34:39.000 And there's been cards that even though they look good on paper, in reality, they weren't so fun.

02:34:46.000 Yeah, but I also, I'm with you because I remember you used to say this back in the day all the time, but I am like a purist fan in MMA in the sense that like all of that is like, I don't care.

02:34:57.000 Like people like, oh, it's boring.

02:34:59.000 You're like, it's the most exciting sport in the world on its worst day.

02:35:02.000 Even in a fight that's a bad fight.

02:35:03.000 Because if you remember the Frank Meir Krokop is a good example of this, where it was just a boring fight the entire fight.

02:35:11.000 And then there's a spectacular knockout at the end of it.

02:35:13.000 And even if that doesn't end up happening, you're always watching like that could happen at any moment.

02:35:17.000 No, it can happen.

02:35:18.000 I also am with you.

02:35:20.000 I believe in like, I don't believe in stand-ups.

02:35:22.000 I don't think anyone should ever be stood up.

02:35:24.000 I don't think you should be separated for stalemate or whatever.

02:35:27.000 It's like, if someone puts you in that position, then you got to get up.

02:35:30.000 If they're not doing enough on the top, that's silly.

02:35:33.000 Sean O'Malley explains why piracy led to the UFC's massive Paramount deal.

02:35:37.000 Oh, interesting.

02:35:38.000 There's a lot of people that'll pay for it every week, but there's a lot of people that won't.

02:35:42.000 That makes sense.

02:35:43.000 They're streaming it illegally.

02:35:44.000 That makes sense.

02:35:45.000 I knew there was a lot of that because there were sites that you could go to and people would openly talk about it.

02:35:50.000 You can go to it and just watch the pay-per-view.

02:35:53.000 It's a good move, dude.

02:35:54.000 It's a good move for the business.

02:35:56.000 It's just like, they just need a few banger cards to make people forget about the stale ones.

02:36:02.000 That will happen.

02:36:03.000 It's inevitable.

02:36:04.000 You're going to have stale cards.

02:36:06.000 I'm concerned about the White House fight.

02:36:08.000 I'm concerned about it, not just from a security standpoint.

02:36:10.000 I'm concerned about it because it's outside.

02:36:13.000 It's June and it's in Washington, D.C.

02:36:16.000 If it's hot out, and it could very well be, like, what's the average temperature?

02:36:20.000 I looked this up the other day.

02:36:21.000 Average 67% humidity in last year, or 2024 is 100 degrees on June 14th.

02:36:27.000 Okay.

02:36:28.000 That's tough.

02:36:29.000 Okay.

02:36:29.000 And I think it's supposed to be at night also.

02:36:31.000 Yeah, that's an issue.

02:36:32.000 Okay, okay, okay. 0.99

02:36:33.000 That's a fucking big problem, dude. 1.00

02:36:35.000 That's a big problem. 0.99

02:36:37.000 You are going to radically affect their performance if you make people fight in 100-degree temperature with 67% humidity outside.

02:36:45.000 You're also going to radically affect my ability to do commentary.

02:36:47.000 Okay. 0.99

02:36:49.000 My fucking head doesn't have any hair. 0.99

02:36:51.000 The top of my head is going to be beat red. 1.00

02:36:53.000 I'm going to have to put some toxic sunscreen on it.

02:36:56.000 You're going to see me with that white zinc powder that the surfers use on their nose.

02:37:00.000 It'll be all over the, I'll make like fake hair with like white zinc. 0.58

02:37:04.000 My head's going to hit me.

02:37:05.000 That is flat.

02:37:06.000 That is an issue.

02:37:06.000 80% chance of thunderstorms with highs in the middle.

02:37:10.000 Are they building a tent?

02:37:11.000 Is this outside outside or is it outside in a tent?

02:37:14.000 Are they going to have like fans blowing cold air on us?

02:37:17.000 You know how much DC's going to complain? 0.99

02:37:19.000 That fucking dude, he's going to be right next to me. 1.00

02:37:22.000 His shirt's going to be soaked. 1.00

02:37:24.000 Yeah, that's a big one.

02:37:25.000 You won't be able to tell with mine because I always wear black anyway. 0.97

02:37:28.000 Everybody with a white shirt or a blue shirt, if Anik has a light blue shirt on, his pits are going to be fucking filled up with sweat. 0.98

02:37:35.000 It's going to be ridiculous. 0.87

02:37:36.000 That also really legitimately changes the actual fight itself.

02:37:39.000 100%.

02:37:41.000 Isn't that like the rendering of it?

02:37:43.000 Okay.

02:37:43.000 So I don't see any AC there, bro.

02:37:46.000 How are you going to get AC on those people?

02:37:47.000 What is that going to be like? 0.99

02:37:49.000 That sounds fucking insane. 0.74

02:37:51.000 To do that in June just because that's a fun time to do it. 0.90

02:37:55.000 I mean, if I was Justin Gaetchy or I was Ilya Toporia, if I was Justin Gaetchy, I mean, first of all, he has to take the fight.

02:38:01.000 It's a historic fight.

02:38:03.000 It's at the White House.

02:38:05.000 He's a true red-blooded American.

02:38:06.000 He wants to win the title at the White House.

02:38:09.000 Come on.

02:38:09.000 You have to do it.

02:38:11.000 But he's 37 years old.

02:38:13.000 He's had a long career and he's fighting maybe the most lethal guy he's ever faced. 0.99

02:38:20.000 The one guy out of all the guys he faced that can shut the fucking lights out with one shot every time. 0.87

02:38:27.000 His last three fights is the craziest resume in the history of the sport. 0.96

02:38:32.000 Knocks out Alexander Volkanovsky, knocks out Max Holloway, knocks out Charles Oliveira.

02:38:39.000 Two at featherweight, one at lightweight.

02:38:41.000 All of them leveled.

02:38:43.000 I wouldn't even say, well, I guess it's debatable, but certainly you could make an argument the two best featherweights of all time.

02:38:50.000 Yes.

02:38:51.000 And one of the greatest lightweights of all time.

02:38:54.000 And by the way, and I know MMA math is never perfect, but you look at what Oliveira just did to Max Holloway.

02:38:59.000 Yeah.

02:39:00.000 Who I love, one of my favorite fighters of all time.

02:39:02.000 Love Holocaust. 0.98

02:39:02.000 You look at what Charles Oliveira just did to Max Holloway. 0.98

02:39:05.000 And then you think about the way Ilya Toporia handled him.

02:39:09.000 Slidelined him in the first round.

02:39:10.000 And not what was, to me, almost as impressive as the knockout was handling him on the ground.

02:39:19.000 Yeah.

02:39:19.000 Passed his guard.

02:39:21.000 He tried to take him down.

02:39:22.000 Think about the way he got one of those body locks and tried to take him down.

02:39:25.000 Think about how helpless Max Holloway was for that, how helpless a whole bunch of guys we've seen are when he gets his hands around you.

02:39:31.000 And Ilya Toporia, he tried to do that.

02:39:32.000 He ends up on top and passes his guard right away.

02:39:35.000 Also, he ate a really clean elbow early in that fight and just was like nothing.

02:39:41.000 He shook it off like it was nothing.

02:39:43.000 He's a special talent.

02:39:45.000 But then again, when you are dealing with special talents and great, great fighters like Justin, who this is probably his last opportunity to fight for the title.

02:39:55.000 I want that under the perfect conditions.

02:39:57.000 I want that to be in an arena where it's 72 degrees and air-conditioned.

02:40:01.000 I don't want it to be outside.

02:40:03.000 I don't want there to be any additional stress or distractions because you're warming up at the White House.

02:40:09.000 Like, what do you have?

02:40:10.000 Tents with mats on them and these guys are going to be slipping around in puddles of sweat.

02:40:14.000 Shadow boxing in the situation room before you come out.

02:40:17.000 Who's going to slip on sweat and blow their ACL out? 0.98

02:40:20.000 You know, I mean, if you ever done striking on mats when a bunch of dudes have been training, like in a class, it's so fucking slippery, man.

02:40:29.000 If it's that hot, it's going to, unless they have these mats and where they're getting set up in air-conditioned buildings somewhere.

02:40:36.000 Unless they have a facility.

02:40:38.000 Yeah, maybe they can do that.

02:40:39.000 I hope they think that through.

02:40:40.000 I hope they think that through.

02:40:42.000 I hope they prepare it.

02:40:43.000 It's just, I don't like, I like the idea that it's like this big celebration of the UFC, that the president loves the UFC so much, he wants to do it at the White House.

02:40:54.000 But in practice, I don't like it at all because you've got two world titles.

02:40:59.000 You know, you've got the interim heavyweight world title, and then you've got this world title with Justin and Ilya at 55.

02:41:07.000 I don't like it.

02:41:09.000 I want those to be at the T-Mobile.

02:41:10.000 I want those to be at the Madison Square Garden Arena.

02:41:13.000 I want those to be somewhere dope.

02:41:15.000 The TD Garden in Boston. 1.00

02:41:17.000 Put it in a fucking real arena where it's air-conditioned, damn it. 1.00

02:41:21.000 These are amazing fights. 0.99

02:41:23.000 I don't want anybody fighting when it's 100 degrees outside.

02:41:25.000 That's crazy.

02:41:27.000 And correct me if I'm wrong, but also I would think it's you're going to get sweaty so quick in weather like that.

02:41:33.000 And that is a big deal for like grappling and stuff like that.

02:41:36.000 I mean, that's a huge advantage if you're trying to not get grappled by someone.

02:41:41.000 Here's another factor.

02:41:42.000 These are people that just were radically dehydrated 24 hours ago.

02:41:47.000 And then you're asking them to compete in a sauna.

02:41:50.000 You're basically asking them to fight in a sauna.

02:41:53.000 That is still so crazy to me that there's not a way that we can just get two guys who weigh 180 pounds to fight at 180 pounds.

02:42:02.000 I've had an issue with that.

02:42:03.000 Instead, we have to have two guys who weigh 180 pounds cut down to 150 pounds and then rehydrate up to 180 pounds to fight at 180 pounds.

02:42:13.000 And weaken themselves, like radically weaken themselves.

02:42:16.000 I see those guys the day they weigh in.

02:42:18.000 The worst ever that I ever saw was Travis Luter.

02:42:22.000 So Travis Luter.

02:42:23.000 Anderson Silva, I remember.

02:42:25.000 He missed weight.

02:42:26.000 But I was backstage for all of it, right?

02:42:28.000 So this was back when the weigh-ins were the time of the actual weigh-ins.

02:42:31.000 It wasn't the ceremonial weigh-in.

02:42:33.000 Like now they give him more time.

02:42:34.000 You can weigh in in the morning.

02:42:35.000 And then by the ceremonial weigh-ins, which is usually 5 p.m., usually these guys have significantly rehydrated.

02:42:41.000 They do it slowly, but they have a process to it.

02:42:44.000 But Travis missed weight.

02:42:46.000 And so I was backstage while they gave him X amount of time to make the weight.

02:42:50.000 And dude, he couldn't walk.

02:42:52.000 He was shuffling, shuffling.

02:42:55.000 Like he couldn't pick his legs up.

02:42:56.000 His lips were cracked.

02:42:58.000 His face was dry.

02:42:59.000 He looked like he was going to die. 0.85

02:43:00.000 He looked like a guy who had been shipwrecked, you know, and like lost at sea and just drinking his own piss for a week.

02:43:07.000 And they finally rescued him.

02:43:08.000 That's what it looked like.

02:43:09.000 Well, he was dying, I guess, right?

02:43:11.000 I mean, that is what you're looking at.

02:43:13.000 And then 24 hours later, he has to fight the greatest middleweight of all time. 0.93

02:43:16.000 He has to fight Anderson motherfucking Silva in his prime. 0.73

02:43:20.000 And did, for that being the story, did remarkably well in the fight. 0.97

02:43:26.000 He got viciously elbows.

02:43:28.000 He was elbow in the triangle.

02:43:29.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:43:30.000 That would not have happened if Travis wasn't compromised.

02:43:33.000 Travis was a real problem back then.

02:43:35.000 He was one of the best jiu-jitsu guys to ever compete in MMA.

02:43:38.000 And he was stylistically kind of like the best shot against Anderson Silva at that time.

02:43:42.000 Exactly.

02:43:43.000 Because Anderson Silva just looked untouchable.

02:43:45.000 And he got him down.

02:43:46.000 He got him into good positions a few times. 0.99

02:43:48.000 Even though he was fucked from the weight cut. 0.99

02:43:50.000 But the thing was, he never made the weight. 0.99

02:43:52.000 So even if he beat him in children, he wouldn't have got the title. 1.00

02:43:55.000 The whole thing was fucked. 0.99

02:43:56.000 But it's like I've advocated for there's a solution. 0.99

02:43:59.000 One of them is multiple weight classes that are additional to what we have.

02:44:04.000 Have one at least every 10 pounds, and it probably should be more.

02:44:07.000 And a lot of people push back against that. 0.98

02:44:08.000 But listen, 10 pounds for an elite athlete is a big fucking deal. 0.99

02:44:14.000 20 pounds is crazy. 0.98

02:44:15.000 So when you go like 85 to 205, that's crazy.

02:44:19.000 That's too much weight.

02:44:20.000 It's too much of a gap.

02:44:22.000 You could have multiple champions in between those weight classes, and it's just better for the sport overall.

02:44:27.000 You've got more champions, you've got more champion versus champion matchups you can make.

02:44:31.000 Well, there's it also, first of all, it's very unhealthy and dangerous, and that's the biggest issue.

02:44:37.000 But then it also makes it a thing where it's like now there's two factors.

02:44:42.000 It's not just who's the best fighter.

02:44:44.000 It's also who's the best at dehydrating themselves, losing a ton of weight and rehydrating themselves.

02:44:50.000 And also, I think, like I've heard, I've heard GSP say before that like some people are just naturally better at that.

02:44:56.000 Some people just fluctuate and weight more.

02:44:58.000 Some people can lose a lot of weight and then gain it all back the other day.

02:45:01.000 And he used to always say, I just can't do that.

02:45:03.000 Like I'm not a guy who can do that.

02:45:04.000 But I think all of us, we just want to see who the best fighter is.

02:45:07.000 Exactly.

02:45:07.000 We don't care about who's the best at dehydrating.

02:45:09.000 Anything that hampers your ability should be removed from the equation, especially if it's something like this.

02:45:15.000 But there's a solution.

02:45:16.000 First of all, there's a real silliness to the MMA weight classes.

02:45:20.000 And why I say silliness, our names that we use have been owned by boxing for more than 100 years.

02:45:28.000 And the names that we use are for different weight classes than boxing uses. 0.98

02:45:32.000 That's dumb. 1.00

02:45:34.000 That is dumb as shit. 1.00

02:45:35.000 Like, if you want to have a 170-pound champion, fantastic. 1.00

02:45:39.000 But don't call it a welterweight.

02:45:41.000 Because welterweight is 147. 0.99

02:45:44.000 It's been 147 for over 100 fucking years. 0.96

02:45:46.000 The fact that you have a 147 champion and you call that or 145 champion, you call that a featherweight. 0.96

02:45:53.000 Featherweight is 126.

02:45:54.000 That's what it's been in boxing forever.

02:45:57.000 Lightweight has always been 135.

02:45:59.000 That's what Julio Cesar Chavez was the champ of.

02:46:02.000 135.

02:46:04.000 135.

02:46:04.000 Lightweight is 155 in the UFC.

02:46:07.000 Come up with your own names. 1.00

02:46:09.000 Why do we still have these stupid people? 1.00

02:46:10.000 I never thought about that. 1.00

02:46:11.000 It's a good point.

02:46:12.000 They attached these names to it when they first started developing weight classes because it used to just be one weight class.

02:46:18.000 Oh, another one on this.

02:46:19.000 Why?

02:46:20.000 And I think you've mentioned this before.

02:46:21.000 Why am I not getting the leg reach?

02:46:24.000 They do that sometimes.

02:46:25.000 Do they?

02:46:25.000 Yeah, they do.

02:46:26.000 Because I've seen like, but on the regular tail of the tape, it'll still just be reach.

02:46:31.000 But it's like, but in this, because that actually, for MMA, that's such a huge deal.

02:46:36.000 Sure.

02:46:36.000 Like, it's such a huge, because, oh, like, if you're kicking.

02:46:38.000 Yeah, if you're in kicking range of me, but you know what I mean?

02:46:42.000 But you can't touch me, your jab doesn't matter as much as in boxing, you know?

02:46:46.000 And some guys, they have really long legs for their torso.

02:46:49.000 Like my friend Larry, my friend Larry Jones from my Taekwondo days, he had this short torso.

02:46:55.000 What is this?

02:46:56.000 Aldo's leg reaches longer than Stipe's.

02:46:59.000 Whoa, that's crazy.

02:47:00.000 Is that right?

02:47:01.000 That's crazy.

02:47:01.000 Stipe just has a way longer torso.

02:47:03.000 That's nuts.

02:47:05.000 The help's tip are the same size.

02:47:06.000 Oh, wow.

02:47:07.000 That's crazy.

02:47:08.000 Well, Aldo was such a good kicker.

02:47:10.000 It's probably part of the reason why.

02:47:12.000 My friend Larry had this short torso, like really short torso, but he was like 6'3.

02:47:16.000 And he was all legs.

02:47:18.000 And he was this insane kicker. 0.94

02:47:19.000 He was like a freak. 0.90

02:47:20.000 Like, he was made in a lab. 0.99

02:47:21.000 And when guys would fight him, like you'd see guys in tournaments fight him, they'd be like, what the fuck am I going to do with this? 0.98

02:47:26.000 Because his reach was so nuts. 0.97

02:47:29.000 And he was so fast with his kicks.

02:47:31.000 And you couldn't get anywhere close to him if you were in his weight class and you were normally built.

02:47:35.000 He was built.

02:47:37.000 His torso was shorter than mine.

02:47:38.000 But his crazy long legs and long arms.

02:47:42.000 Like some people are just built certain ways.

02:47:43.000 And for striking, it's a giant problem. 0.88

02:47:46.000 Which is another thing that makes Ilio Toporia so fucking unbelievably impressive.

02:47:50.000 He's not tall at all. 0.93

02:47:52.000 Yeah.

02:47:52.000 You know, and he's just flatlining people.

02:47:55.000 Oh, I mean, Charles Olivera looked so much bigger than him in that fight.

02:47:59.000 And so much bigger than Max, too.

02:48:00.000 Olivera is big.

02:48:02.000 It's like, look, the sport's fine.

02:48:06.000 It's not in trouble.

02:48:07.000 The sport's not in trouble.

02:48:08.000 The heavyweight division is in trouble. 0.99

02:48:09.000 The heavyweight division is kind of fucked. 0.98

02:48:11.000 It's in a weird situation. 0.98

02:48:12.000 The Alex Pereira thing is very interesting.

02:48:15.000 Alex Pereira versus Cyril Gawne is very, very, very interesting because Cyril Gon is a problem.

02:48:21.000 That guy's a problem.

02:48:22.000 He's super athletic.

02:48:23.000 He's really fast.

02:48:25.000 He's super skillful with striking.

02:48:27.000 His Muay Thai is absolutely elite.

02:48:29.000 And he does a lot of things different than what a lot of people do.

02:48:33.000 And has anyone, because even Francis, like I was saying before, grappled with him a lot in that fight.

02:48:38.000 Obviously, John Jones took him down and choked him.

02:48:41.000 But has anyone really stood toe-to-toe and beat him up?

02:48:44.000 No.

02:48:45.000 No, no one's beat him up toe-to-toe.

02:48:46.000 Ty to Ivasa went toe-to-toe with him and tried to, but he got lit up.

02:48:51.000 Yeah.

02:48:51.000 Dude, Cyril Gon is a problem.

02:48:53.000 And even in the little bit, in the little time, Tom Aspinall, it looked like he's tough.

02:48:57.000 He's tough to fight like that, man.

02:48:59.000 Not just tough.

02:49:00.000 He was like getting off on Aspinall, and it didn't look good for Aspinall.

02:49:04.000 I mean, it's very unfortunate that he got his eyes poked.

02:49:07.000 I mean, we really never got to see what happens if you drag Cyril deep water.

02:49:11.000 The way Tom would adjust it for the second round or third round.

02:49:14.000 Which we've never really seen out of Tom either.

02:49:16.000 It was very interesting that we got robbed of that.

02:49:19.000 We got robbed of that. 0.97

02:49:19.000 And poor Tom, he's had two fucking eye surgeries, and then he felt like the UFC disrespected him. 0.97

02:49:24.000 The whole thing's a mess. 0.98

02:49:25.000 Well, I don't know about the UFC, but a lot of fans did disrespect him.

02:49:28.000 I saw that, which is crazy. 1.00

02:49:30.000 This is really stupid. 0.99

02:49:31.000 We talked about this last night. 1.00

02:49:33.000 It should be one point, period, if you poke somebody in the eyes.

02:49:35.000 If you poke someone in the eyes, one point.

02:49:37.000 Well, especially if the fingers go in the eyes.

02:49:40.000 If it's like a glancing thing like that, maybe get a warning, but in a nutshell, straight nutshot, one point.

02:49:47.000 The glancing thing, maybe a warning.

02:49:50.000 I think that could be up to the judge's discretion upon view of the replay.

02:49:54.000 Yeah, well, the thing is that, and we were talking about this last night, if you so if you land a nutshot and it's it's accidental, as it almost always is, you know what I mean?

02:50:05.000 You're trying to throw an inside leg kick and it's a little close.

02:50:07.000 Well, okay.

02:50:08.000 Maybe not.

02:50:08.000 I said almost, almost always.

02:50:11.000 But so I just see this all the time in MMA.

02:50:14.000 It's the first one.

02:50:15.000 It was an accident. 0.99

02:50:16.000 This guy gets kicked in the nuts. 0.99

02:50:18.000 He needs a few minutes. 0.98

02:50:19.000 Usually they don't take the full five or whatever they're offered.

02:50:22.000 And then you just go back.

02:50:23.000 It's like, look, even if it was an accident, that's such an advantage to the guy who kicked him in the groin.

02:50:31.000 You hurt this guy, and now he's got to get back to it.

02:50:34.000 And there's no, so like, it does seem like there almost has to be some accounting for that.

02:50:39.000 And there's, I think there's still, it's still a very young sport.

02:50:42.000 I think there is still too much referee discretion.

02:50:45.000 Like there's too much, like there should be like an official rule for what we do in this situation, especially those kind of fouls.

02:50:51.000 It's like, it doesn't exist in basketball, right?

02:50:52.000 Yeah.

02:50:53.000 If somebody fouls somebody in basketball and everybody sees it, that's a foul.

02:50:57.000 Yes.

02:50:57.000 Right.

02:50:58.000 And the crowd will go nuts.

02:51:00.000 Usually.

02:51:01.000 But it'd be like a real one, like throwing someone to the ground.

02:51:04.000 I could show you examples. 0.97

02:51:05.000 There are some fucking wild things that don't get called for whatever. 0.99

02:51:08.000 Don't you think that's a little bit of the corrupt referees? 0.98

02:51:11.000 I'm not saying all of them, but that is one thing that's been 100% proven is that referees do get paid off in order to influence gambling lines.

02:51:20.000 Yeah, there was that one referee who confirmed that it was the Sacramento Kings versus the Lakers, which was like a series that was like notoriously like everyone was like, yo, it was crazy.

02:51:34.000 They didn't call any of these fouls on the Lakers and they called all these fouls.

02:51:37.000 And then a ref came out and was like, oh, yeah, yeah, that's what we were.

02:51:39.000 And it does kind of make sense because it was the Shaq and Kobe Lakers.

02:51:44.000 You got to get them in the finals, dude.

02:51:46.000 It was big money.

02:51:47.000 God, that's so gross.

02:51:48.000 His defense weirdly was like, no one told us what to do, but you kind of know what they want.

02:51:53.000 So you sort of do it.

02:51:54.000 And then you put on good games and you keep getting the good stuff. 0.96

02:51:58.000 Hang them. 1.00

02:52:00.000 Public hanging. 1.00

02:52:01.000 Fuck you. 1.00

02:52:02.000 We can deal with Congress's insider trading, but basketball must be a lot of people. 1.00

02:52:06.000 Bad judges hang on. 0.99

02:52:08.000 Hang them. 1.00

02:52:09.000 Hang them all in front of the kingdom. 1.00

02:52:11.000 All right, dude. 0.99

02:52:12.000 Anything else before we wrap this up?

02:52:15.000 No, thank you for letting a non-expert talk MMA with you.

02:52:18.000 I love talking to non-experts.

02:52:21.000 Dude, thank you so much for everything, as always. 1.00

02:52:24.000 You're the fucking man. 1.00

02:52:25.000 You're the fucking man, too. 1.00

02:52:25.000 I love you, too. 1.00

02:52:27.000 We'll have fun tonight.

02:52:29.000 You come in?

02:52:29.000 You leave?

02:52:30.000 You got to go? 1.00

02:52:31.000 God damn, last night was fun, man. 0.99

02:52:32.000 There was a lot of fun. 1.00

02:52:33.000 A lot of fun.

02:52:34.000 All right.

02:52:34.000 Fire buddies.

The Joe Rogan Experience - March 26, 2026

Joe Rogan Experience #2474 - Dave Smith

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