The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2476 - Shanna H. Swan

00:00:01.000 Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out!

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00:00:12.000 Great to see you again.

00:00:13.000 Great to see you, Joe.

00:00:15.000 Happy to be here.

00:00:16.000 Happy to have you here.

00:00:17.000 So you've got a documentary about the, essentially about the same subject that you talked about last time you're here, the impact of microplastics and all these various endocrine-disrupting chemicals that we're dealing with.

00:00:32.000 Right.

00:00:32.000 Right?

00:00:33.000 Right.

00:00:34.000 Tell me about it.

00:00:37.000 Well, it started as a movie on plastic.

00:00:43.000 And when I met Louie and he filmed me in New York about five years ago, also, it wasn't the small study that we have today.

00:00:57.000 But let me backtrack because I want to tell you something that I never told you, but was so important to me.

00:01:04.000 So you remember when I was here, you said, are you saying the toxins in the environment are threatening the survival of the human race?

00:01:14.000 Right.

00:01:15.000 And I said, that's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

00:01:19.000 Yes.

00:01:20.000 And then you said something which changed my life.

00:01:25.000 You said, why don't people know about this?

00:01:31.000 Remember that?

00:01:32.000 Yes.

00:01:33.000 I went home and I thought a lot about that question.

00:01:38.000 And that was what led me to create the program that I have now, Action Science Initiative, which is doing short, impactful, relatively cheap interventions to alert people to the problem and communicating this in a way that I'm hoping will reach more people than academia where I was speaking before.

00:02:06.000 Because before I talked to you, I talked to my peers in, you know, academia and the Ivory Tower, you know, at the meetings where they all went, they read the papers that we all read.

00:02:19.000 But the general public didn't get this.

00:02:21.000 So you really were, I have to tell you, thank you.

00:02:24.000 And you were actually very influential in my life.

00:02:28.000 Well, I'm very happy to help.

00:02:30.000 When I first heard about your book and I started going over the details of it and the subject matter, I was shocked.

00:02:39.000 I couldn't imagine that something like this could not just have happened, but there's no large-scale effort to reverse course or to change course or to do something about it, or at least to make people aware of the impact that plastics are having on us.

00:02:54.000 Let me tell you a story about a friend of mine.

00:02:57.000 There's a guy named Philip Franklin Lee, who is a Michelin star chef that lives in Austin.

00:03:04.000 And he has this amazing sushi restaurant, Sushi by Scratch, and great chef.

00:03:10.000 Anyway, he was experiencing fatigue, like always tired, got his hormones tested, extremely low testosterone, but then got his microplastics tested, and they were off the charts.

00:03:26.000 Did a series of interventions to try to clean his body out from that, stopped drinking anything out of plastic, stopped using plastic.

00:03:37.000 Just by whatever he did, I'm not sure if he did the plasma phoresis thing that I just did recently.

00:03:45.000 His testosterone went up to 1,200 with no testosterone replacement, no nothing.

00:03:51.000 Just eliminating microplastics from his life over a period of time raises testosterone.

00:03:57.000 So that's fantastic, and it's what we are seeing in the film and so on.

00:04:03.000 I want to just make a small point, which is microplastics and plastics and plasticizers are not identical, right?

00:04:12.000 Okay.

00:04:12.000 Right?

00:04:13.000 So microplastics are a relatively newcomer to the scene because we've had plastics since 1950, right?

00:04:21.000 Microplastics have been there but not recognized until relatively recently.

00:04:26.000 And actually, measuring them in our bodies is much harder than measuring the plasticizers, which are the chemicals that are put in plastic to give them the various properties that they have.

00:04:39.000 Phthalates.

00:04:40.000 Phthalates is one.

00:04:41.000 Bisphenol A is another, and so on.

00:04:46.000 So there are other, you know, and by the way, well, we'll come back to that later.

00:04:53.000 So yes, we can measure those, but measuring microplastics, particularly if we're going to go into your brain or into your testicles, you know, into a woman's placenta, obviously that's much more difficult.

00:05:06.000 So they're not the same, but the microplastics, what they are is the actual pieces of plastic that carry the plasticizers along with them.

00:05:18.000 So the kind of piggyback on.

00:05:19.000 So they do double damage because they carry the chemical harms, and they also physically enter the cells, right?

00:05:30.000 So do you remember, I'm sure asbestos you know about, you know, and silicosis.

00:05:36.000 And these were other examples of particles that went into the body and conveyed both chemical harm and physical harm, like inflammation and so on and so forth.

00:05:47.000 So they're all bad, but they're not identical.

00:05:51.000 And what we studied in the plastic detox, which is the film, that was, we did not study any microplastics.

00:06:01.000 We studied the plasticizers.

00:06:05.000 So you probably remember, I think I told you last time, well, why should you remember anyway?

00:06:10.000 They're water soluble.

00:06:11.000 And so they, remember that?

00:06:13.000 So they go into your urine, and then they're pretty easy to measure.

00:06:18.000 So I'm going to give this to you.

00:06:22.000 This is a kit.

00:06:23.000 Open her up.

00:06:24.000 I'll tell you what.

00:06:25.000 Okay.

00:06:26.000 Learn what's inside.

00:06:28.000 All right. 0.86

00:06:31.000 It looks like you pee in that. 0.66

00:06:34.000 Okay. 0.70

00:06:35.000 That's right.

00:06:36.000 Keep going.

00:06:37.000 And there's more stuff in there?

00:06:38.000 Yep.

00:06:39.000 Okay.

00:06:41.000 Something to send it back.

00:06:43.000 Right.

00:06:44.000 And then this looks like a biohazard bag.

00:06:47.000 So my pee doesn't kill anybody. 0.59

00:06:47.000 To put your pee in. 0.59

00:06:52.000 And this is...

00:06:54.000 It's got a QR code on it.

00:06:57.000 Say hello to a healthier you.

00:06:59.000 So those are ways to find out ways to lower your exposure.

00:07:02.000 Okay.

00:07:03.000 Yeah.

00:07:04.000 I know a lot of people get these harmful chemicals from drinking coffee, hot liquids, out of paper cups.

00:07:13.000 Yeah, from the paper cups that are lined with, for example, bisphenols.

00:07:17.000 But the coffee itself is made in most coffee makers contain a lot of plastic also.

00:07:24.000 So it comes in both the cups and in the device that's making the coffee.

00:07:29.000 Metal.

00:07:30.000 It's like a French press.

00:07:30.000 That's good.

00:07:31.000 I do that at home, too.

00:07:32.000 I got rid of my plastic coffee machine.

00:07:34.000 Me too.

00:07:35.000 I was thinking about it.

00:07:36.000 I was like, why am I pouring hot water into this plastic thing?

00:07:39.000 That can't be good.

00:07:41.000 Yeah, it doesn't taste as good.

00:07:42.000 You're learning.

00:07:43.000 French press tastes better anyway.

00:07:43.000 You're learning.

00:07:45.000 So here's my suggestion.

00:07:47.000 If you're willing to do this.

00:07:49.000 I am willing to do this.

00:07:50.000 You are.

00:07:50.000 Good, cool.

00:07:51.000 So not hard.

00:07:53.000 Okay.

00:07:53.000 Pee in the cup, send it in.

00:07:55.000 Got it.

00:07:56.000 My colleague Jenoa and her team will analyze it for not everything in the world, but the bisphenols, the phthalates, and the parabens.

00:08:08.000 They're going to be adding pesticides soon, and that would be great to have that as well.

00:08:14.000 Then, if you want to go to phase two, I have some things here that you could swap in your kitchen, and you could go to that QR code and find out other things that you could reduce.

00:08:30.000 And then if you wanted to, we could send you another kit and you could see if your levels changed.

00:08:36.000 Okay.

00:08:37.000 I would love to do that.

00:08:37.000 You want to do that?

00:08:38.000 Yay! 0.99

00:08:40.000 What is phase two?

00:08:42.000 A phase two would mail you back another kit.

00:08:45.000 You take your urine again, and that's it.

00:08:47.000 And so that's to see if it's changed because of lifestyle changes.

00:08:51.000 That's right.

00:08:52.000 Right.

00:08:52.000 That's right.

00:08:53.000 So you would be doing what the couples in, part of what the couples in the intervention did.

00:08:58.000 The couples in the intervention also were infertile.

00:09:03.000 And so we're not going to touch your fertility question, but they also, the men collected sperm, and we can do that if you want, but I don't think you, you know, you may not want to talk about that on your phone.

00:09:14.000 But that's what we did in the intervention.

00:09:18.000 So in the intervention, we found, I'll just, this is what the intervention was.

00:09:25.000 There's a company called Fellow, which is grown out of UCSF.

00:09:31.000 And they're very big now.

00:09:33.000 I think they have like 200,000 men in their files who have had their semen tested.

00:09:41.000 And at the time they have their semen tested, they're asked, could we recontact you for research?

00:09:49.000 That's one important question.

00:09:51.000 And they're asked, why did you want your sperm tested?

00:09:56.000 And if they say, because we're infertile or subfertile, or are we worrying about our fertility, we ask, or they ask, how long has it been that you've been having this problem with fertility?

00:10:08.000 And if it's more than 12 months, then they're technically infertile, right?

00:10:15.000 So if they said they would agree to be recontacted and they were infertile, they were potentially eligible for this intervention.

00:10:26.000 You with me?

00:10:27.000 Got it.

00:10:28.000 So actually finding the couples that are in the film was a long process.

00:10:34.000 They had to, of course, agree to be filmed.

00:10:36.000 They had to have what we call, terrible word, idiopathic infertility, no known causes.

00:10:43.000 So they, and they couldn't be obese, they couldn't be smokers, they couldn't have a diagnosis, a medical diagnosis that explains.

00:10:51.000 We don't want it to be unexplained.

00:10:53.000 Okay?

00:10:53.000 So sort of we winnowed down to what was six couples.

00:10:59.000 One of them dropped out for personal reasons.

00:11:03.000 So I won't go into that.

00:11:05.000 But that's how we got those couples.

00:11:08.000 They had to be couples, by the way.

00:11:09.000 And they had to be staying together for the next three months and not doing IVF.

00:11:14.000 Okay?

00:11:15.000 So that was a setup.

00:11:17.000 And then the company called Million Marker that you're going to send your P to, they have an education program.

00:11:29.000 And that's a lot of what they do, the testing and the education.

00:11:33.000 And so all of those couples, you know, they talked to them and said, tell me about what you put on your face this morning.

00:11:41.000 Tell me what you washed your clothes with.

00:11:43.000 Tell me what you clean your counters with, and on and on and on like that, right?

00:11:46.000 So they took an inventory of what the couples were doing.

00:11:50.000 And then they started this educational program, which they're very good at and been doing for a while.

00:11:55.000 Once a week, they talk to them.

00:11:57.000 So, how's it going?

00:11:58.000 Have you changed this?

00:11:59.000 What are you using now?

00:12:00.000 And so on.

00:12:01.000 So it was not just a one-time thing.

00:12:05.000 And if you were doing this, it would be short.

00:12:07.000 You know, just like use these things maybe.

00:12:11.000 But along with that, we sent them the fellow kits to collect their semen. 1.00

00:12:20.000 Okay?

00:12:21.000 So we have beginning, middle, and end.

00:12:24.000 It was three months, so beginning, six weeks, 12 weeks.

00:12:28.000 And you know why?

00:12:30.000 Three months?

00:12:31.000 Why?

00:12:32.000 Takes 70 days to make a sperm.

00:12:35.000 So we wanted to have a turnover within the course of the intervention.

00:12:40.000 So we sent them a kit and they collected their semen at home, which is nice for guys because you don't have to go into the lab and do it there.

00:12:48.000 It's much better at home, right?

00:12:50.000 Yeah.

00:12:51.000 And they sent it in and they figured out how to get all the parameters right, even though it's mailed.

00:12:56.000 And yeah, so the couples did that.

00:13:00.000 So we had over time levels in their body of the chemicals, semen quality, what they were doing, what they changed in their life, because we had this record of everything they changed.

00:13:13.000 And then finally, we saw who got pregnant. 0.52

00:13:18.000 And I hope your listeners will watch the plastic detox.

00:13:23.000 It's a movie that a lot of people love and found really moving.

00:13:29.000 And you should watch it.

00:13:31.000 Can I ask you about the coffee question?

00:13:34.000 When you go to a place like, let's just say Starbucks, not to single them out, but are they using plastic with their coffee machines?

00:13:41.000 Are their coffee machines made with plastic?

00:13:45.000 I don't know about any particular place except my kitchen.

00:13:49.000 I was just with your question.

00:13:50.000 I suspect that they are using plastic.

00:13:53.000 So if people stop at a place like that on a regular basis on their way to work in the morning to get coffee and they use, they bring their own plastic, or excuse me, they bring their own stainless steel thermos or mug that would eliminate some of it, but perhaps.

00:13:53.000 Right.

00:14:09.000 Yeah.

00:14:09.000 One source.

00:14:10.000 Yeah, but perhaps they're getting it actually from the coffee machine itself.

00:14:15.000 Because I see when they slide those when you see these big industrial machines and they slide those filters in, those filters are plastic.

00:14:23.000 Well, they probably have bisphenol in them.

00:14:27.000 Right.

00:14:27.000 It's a plastic tray.

00:14:29.000 I don't know.

00:14:29.000 It seems like.

00:14:30.000 But then there's a paper filter in the plastic tray.

00:14:34.000 So you're getting it, no matter what.

00:14:35.000 And if they use those pods at home, Bruno, one of our guys in the film, wonderful guy, he was kind of addicted to his coffee machine, his pods.

00:14:51.000 And we said, Bruno, we want you to stop using those pods.

00:14:54.000 No, I don't want to stop using it.

00:14:56.000 But he did.

00:14:57.000 He did.

00:14:57.000 And they've had two babies.

00:15:02.000 Now, I'm not saying that's the reason, but it's a contribution, probably.

00:15:06.000 Well, there is certainly an issue.

00:15:08.000 Like I said with my friend Philip, that it made a radical difference in his sperm count and his testosterone levels.

00:15:14.000 And so this is probably the case with so many Americans in this country that are dealing with infertility issues.

00:15:21.000 A big part of it is probably these plasticizers.

00:15:25.000 Is that how you deliver them?

00:15:26.000 Yeah.

00:15:26.000 Plasticizers, all these various chemicals that are endocrine disruptors that are ubiquitous in the modern world.

00:15:32.000 Yes, unfortunately.

00:15:34.000 And by the way, not the women, let me tell you something. 0.91

00:15:34.000 It's crazy. 0.91

00:15:37.000 We didn't talk about the women last time very much, right?

00:15:39.000 A little bit, we did.

00:15:40.000 A little.

00:15:40.000 Yeah, I think we did.

00:15:43.000 So the women need testosterone too, You know, for sexual arousal and libido and so on, and muscle. 1.00

00:15:54.000 And we, in our study, study for future families, I think, or maybe, yeah.

00:16:04.000 We asked, we got the urine, we saw what they, you know, how much phthalates were in their urine.

00:16:11.000 And then we asked them some questions about their sexual experience.

00:16:15.000 So how satisfied were they with their sexual life and frequency?

00:16:23.000 And the women who had higher levels of phthalates had less satisfaction and lower frequency.

00:16:30.000 So it's not just the men.

00:16:32.000 Completely makes sense.

00:16:34.000 Everyone needs testosterone.

00:16:35.000 Yeah.

00:16:36.000 My wife's friend got on testosterone. 1.00

00:16:38.000 She's, I guess she's about 50.

00:16:41.000 She got on testosterone because her doctor put her on some low level of cream or something like that. 0.98

00:16:46.000 And her response was like, it makes me horny like a bloke. 0.94

00:16:51.000 She's English. 0.94

00:16:55.000 I thought it was a very funny thing that she said it that way.

00:16:59.000 Does she think that was a good thing?

00:17:01.000 Yeah, she enjoyed it.

00:17:02.000 Yeah.

00:17:02.000 Apparently.

00:17:03.000 Allegedly.

00:17:04.000 I didn't speak to her directly.

00:17:06.000 But I think that's what she was saying.

00:17:07.000 Like, whoa, you know, just whoa.

00:17:10.000 Yeah.

00:17:10.000 Well, I mean, it's the thing that came out of the episode that we did that shocked me the most is how little this is discussed in the mainstream.

00:17:22.000 And I had not known until you brought it up, until you became a guest on the show, until I started researching it, I was stunned.

00:17:31.000 I couldn't believe that this was something that was so common.

00:17:34.000 And so, so one of the things that comes up all the time is infertility with couples that are trying and they're using IVF and it's more common now than ever before.

00:17:44.000 And there's been a lot of things that people, a lot of factors that people have attributed to that reason.

00:17:50.000 A lot of them being older people that are, you know, they put their careers aside in their 30s.

00:17:56.000 They decided now it's time to have kids.

00:17:58.000 They're worried that it's too late.

00:18:00.000 But listening to you talk about it, it seems like that's only one part of the issue and not the big part.

00:18:07.000 The big part seems to be that we're being poisoned and we're doing it by virtue of our modern world that we live in where so much of your life relies on plastic.

00:18:19.000 And it's very difficult for people that are so set in their ways, they have routines, they don't really understand like what can I do to eliminate this stuff from my life.

00:18:30.000 Just having the conversation and understanding that these things are having an impact is great.

00:18:35.000 But the steps that people need to take in order to eliminate these things from their life, I think that's what's really important to get out there now.

00:18:43.000 Thank you.

00:18:44.000 You said it really well.

00:18:45.000 Let me just give people a place to go.

00:18:49.000 You go to onplasticyourlife.com, okay?

00:18:54.000 And then there's action, and then you can go to the various places in your home that you can plastic your life, one word.

00:19:02.000 On unplastic.

00:19:03.000 Unplasticyour.com.

00:19:05.000 Yeah.

00:19:06.000 Let me see if I got that.

00:19:09.000 Yeah.

00:19:09.000 So on plasticyourlife.com, go to Action Hub and then to protect yourself.

00:19:14.000 And that'll give you lots of things to do to lower these exposures.

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00:20:26.000 Nonstick cookware.

00:20:28.000 That stuff.

00:20:30.000 Is that different?

00:20:30.000 Yeah.

00:20:31.000 When you have nonstick cookware, does that have any endocrine disrupting chemicals as well?

00:20:36.000 But different ones.

00:20:37.000 Different ones?

00:20:37.000 Which ones are those?

00:20:39.000 So those are what's called the PFAS chemicals.

00:20:42.000 And it's actually not just cookware.

00:20:46.000 It's anything that puts a barrier between two medium, if you will. 0.96

00:20:53.000 Like a rain jacket will put a barrier between the rain and your skin.

00:20:57.000 Right.

00:20:59.000 And also stain resistant, barrier with the stain.

00:21:06.000 And it's very, very prevalent.

00:21:10.000 I mean, it's all, you know, it's in clothing, it's in... I've read it's in a lot of yoga tights and things along those lines.

00:21:17.000 Yes, workout clothes.

00:21:17.000 Yes, yes.

00:21:18.000 That's so crazy.

00:21:19.000 You think you're being healthy.

00:21:20.000 And you're exposing yourself to endocrine disrupting chemicals.

00:21:20.000 Yeah.

00:21:24.000 And uniforms, there's a book.

00:21:27.000 I probably shouldn't recommend another book, but I think it's a good book.

00:21:30.000 I'll just say.

00:21:31.000 It's called To Die For, DYE.

00:21:34.000 And it's about the flight attendants' uniforms and the harms that they do because they have a lot of PFAS because they, you know, have to keep clean.

00:21:44.000 And they're not clean, right?

00:21:46.000 Because they have this PFAS in them.

00:21:48.000 It's in sports uniforms.

00:21:50.000 You do a lot of sports.

00:21:51.000 All the sports uniforms.

00:21:52.000 Nylon. 0.77

00:21:54.000 Yeah.

00:21:55.000 Anything with nylon?

00:21:56.000 Is that what it is?

00:21:58.000 Probably, but I'm not sure.

00:21:59.000 I'm not, you know, I could refer you to somebody, but I'm not the clothing expert.

00:22:04.000 But I know that they're in these things.

00:22:06.000 And one of the things that is kind of scary is school uniforms.

00:22:12.000 You know, a lot of kids have school uniforms, and they're loaded with it.

00:22:16.000 Yeah.

00:22:16.000 Oh.

00:22:17.000 Yeah, my kids used to wear a uniform every day.

00:22:19.000 When you say to die for, are dyes in cotton clothes also releasing?

00:22:19.000 Yeah.

00:22:26.000 Really?

00:22:26.000 Yes.

00:22:28.000 Dyes are very risky.

00:22:31.000 We've got to go back to being Amish. 1.00

00:22:32.000 Yeah.

00:22:33.000 Here it is.

00:22:34.000 Oh, good.

00:22:35.000 So the fact there's little or no regulation of clothes or textiles we wear each day from uniforms to fast fashion, outdoor gear, and even the face masks that have become ubiquitous in recent years.

00:22:44.000 Wicker explains how we got here, what the stakes are, what all of us can do in the fight for a safe and healthy wardrobe for all.

00:22:52.000 Wow.

00:22:54.000 And that's in the film, discussed in the film.

00:22:57.000 A little bit.

00:22:57.000 Okay.

00:22:58.000 Not the major, but it's just.

00:23:00.000 So blue jeans?

00:23:02.000 Probably.

00:23:03.000 Probably.

00:23:04.000 I can't, you know, speak about it.

00:23:06.000 There is a river, I believe it's in China, where a series of blue jean factories exist where the entire river is blue.

00:23:17.000 It's so disgusting.

00:23:19.000 Like, not blue, like beautiful clean water.

00:23:21.000 Blue like dyed.

00:23:23.000 Dyed water.

00:23:24.000 Like, look at this.

00:23:25.000 Look at that.

00:23:27.000 That's the blue jean capital of the world.

00:23:30.000 Wow.

00:23:30.000 That's where they make a lot of blue jeans.

00:23:32.000 And look at the stinky, dirty, disgusting blue dye water that is just that river leaking out into the ocean, which also looks polluted.

00:23:42.000 You want cheap clothes, kids? 0.67

00:23:44.000 This is what happens.

00:23:46.000 It's so crazy.

00:23:47.000 Like, look at that stuff.

00:23:48.000 I mean, how many genes are they making?

00:23:52.000 And what are the, you know.

00:23:55.000 And this is a good point for me to point out that these things are affecting animals, of course.

00:24:01.000 Like the animals fish in this.

00:24:03.000 Look at this.

00:24:03.000 African rivers as well.

00:24:06.000 Of course, we do it in other places.

00:24:08.000 If we did it in America, people would be aware.

00:24:12.000 Canada.

00:24:13.000 Canada, too.

00:24:14.000 I'm not sure they'd be aware.

00:24:15.000 You don't think so?

00:24:17.000 We're trying.

00:24:18.000 We're trying.

00:24:19.000 We're trying to get them aware.

00:24:20.000 I mean, that's what we're doing right now, right?

00:24:22.000 So to go back to that point you raised about, you know, reasons that people give for low testosterone or low fertility, low sperm count.

00:24:22.000 Right.

00:24:36.000 And particularly, this comes up for fertility.

00:24:39.000 More couples are, you know, the fertility is in the toilet, right? 1.00

00:24:42.000 Yes.

00:24:43.000 That's a weird thing to say, but yeah, for lack of a better children per couple on the average in 1960, and now it's in South Korea, it's like 0.88.

00:25:04.000 Wow.

00:25:05.000 That's the worst.

00:25:07.000 Why is South Korea the worst?

00:25:08.000 I don't know.

00:25:08.000 I mean, all of East Asia is very, very worst.

00:25:11.000 South Korea's, their replacement numbers are so low that they're in danger of complete population collapse.

00:25:18.000 Absolutely.

00:25:19.000 And Japan is getting there, and all of that Southeast Asia. 0.98

00:25:24.000 And so when there's a lot of articles about this, a lot of editorials, a lot of articles, and they make me so, Joe, they make me so mad because they say correctly that having a child at older age will do this to some extent.

00:25:45.000 You know, not wanting to have children, as many children, will do this to some extent.

00:25:50.000 But they never mention toxics.

00:25:53.000 They just, and so I've written editorials saying, hey, guys, we're not alone on this planet.

00:26:01.000 And we're not the only species that's declining in number.

00:26:06.000 And then if you look at the curve of the number of species that are declining and the rate of decline of human fertility, they're parallel.

00:26:14.000 It's all about 1% per year.

00:26:18.000 And we know they're exposed, these other species.

00:26:20.000 You showed it.

00:26:21.000 Those fish in that water are exposed and animals on the periphery.

00:26:26.000 So I would love for everybody when they look at these numbers of declining fertility, consider that it's not all choice.

00:26:38.000 Animals are not choosing to have their children later or to delay childbearing, right?

00:26:43.000 They have big careers.

00:26:45.000 Beavers are trying to make dams.

00:26:46.000 They don't have time for children. 0.99

00:26:48.000 Right, exactly, exactly.

00:26:50.000 Yeah.

00:26:51.000 So for me, you know, it's not – those are good – those are explanations for sure.

00:27:00.000 Obviously, when you get older, your fertility is less.

00:27:03.000 Obviously, if you have a busy life and you don't have time to have children, you shouldn't have children.

00:27:08.000 But the toxics matter.

00:27:11.000 They matter a lot.

00:27:12.000 100%.

00:27:13.000 And the animals is the issue exposure to water that has these chemicals in it because of pollution?

00:27:23.000 What is causing it with that?

00:27:24.000 Well, it's in the water.

00:27:25.000 It's in the soil.

00:27:27.000 It's in what they eat because it comes in the plants.

00:27:34.000 It gets into the plants.

00:27:35.000 Yeah.

00:27:36.000 Do you know that phthalates, I'm just, this is a little fun fact.

00:27:40.000 Phthalates are put in pesticides.

00:27:44.000 Why would they do that?

00:27:46.000 Well, because one of the things that phthalates do is they increase absorption.

00:27:50.000 That's why they're in hand cream.

00:27:53.000 Right?

00:27:54.000 You see, you put your hand to cream on, it goes in your skin, right?

00:27:57.000 Phthalates help that.

00:27:58.000 You have the pesticide you wanted to go into the plant.

00:28:01.000 Phthalates help that.

00:28:03.000 So, you know, these exposures are all over the place for, and animals are getting them too.

00:28:10.000 A long time ago, I don't think we talked about this, but there was a wonderful scientist who's not living anymore.

00:28:16.000 His name is Lou Gillette.

00:28:18.000 He lived in Florida.

00:28:19.000 And he showed that alligators swimming in a lake that had a lot of runoff of pesticides. 0.98

00:28:31.000 Get this, their penises were small. 0.98

00:28:34.000 He measured them. 0.99

00:28:35.000 And he was a big, he's like, he was a big guy.

00:28:38.000 He went, he had to do it at night.

00:28:40.000 He went at night, wrestled them into the boat.

00:28:45.000 And I have pictures of that.

00:28:46.000 Took them to his lab. 0.99

00:28:47.000 Measured their penises. 1.00

00:28:48.000 Measured their penises. 0.99

00:28:49.000 They must have been very confused when they got let go. 0.99

00:28:52.000 Like, what is this guy kinky with? 1.00

00:28:54.000 What is his thing?

00:28:57.000 You know, and they had fewer eggs.

00:29:01.000 Right.

00:29:02.000 So they're a declining species. 0.99

00:29:04.000 That's just a very dramatic example of, you know, if you, can you put up penis size and alligator penis size? 0.99

00:29:15.000 I'm just wondering. 0.99

00:29:17.000 As if you don't already Google that, Jamie.

00:29:19.000 Let me find you a photo.

00:29:23.000 I asked our perplexity this thing, and it says.

00:29:25.000 So our sponsor, Perplexi, said, yes, this has actually been documented in wild alligators.

00:29:30.000 Males in heavily polluted lakes have, on average, smaller penises and other reproductive problems linked to hormone disrupting chemicals.

00:29:38.000 We are shrinking alligator penises, ladies and gentlemen. 0.99

00:29:42.000 And not only alligators. 0.99

00:29:44.000 20 to 25 percent smaller penis sizes compared to males from a cleaner reference lake.

00:29:49.000 Males of lower testosterone levels, around 70% lower. 0.98

00:29:53.000 Abnormal relationships between hormone levels and penis growth, unlike alligators from cleaner lakes.

00:29:58.000 Alligators from polluted lakes also show other reproductive issues, abnormal sex hormone patterns, altered gonads, low hatching success, various birth defects, all consistent with exposure to endocrine-disrupting contaminants, EDCs, such as DDT derivatives, dildrin, PCBs, and related compounds.

00:30:19.000 Wow.

00:30:21.000 So it's all endocrine disruptors from pollution.

00:30:25.000 Oh, boy.

00:30:27.000 Yeah, I mean, you would think that this would sound the alarm.

00:30:30.000 And this is not new.

00:30:31.000 He's dead.

00:30:32.000 This is old work.

00:30:34.000 Oh.

00:30:36.000 And no one knows.

00:30:38.000 Yeah, it's never discussed. 0.98

00:30:39.000 First of all, it's not a lot of people that say, first problem on my list today, alligator penis sizes. 0.97

00:30:45.000 It's a real issue. 0.98

00:30:46.000 Like, you're in front of Congress.

00:30:47.000 We've got to talk. 0.99

00:30:48.000 Alligator penis sizes are shrinking. 0.99

00:30:50.000 They kick you out of the panel. 0.99

00:30:51.000 Actually, he, Lou Gillette, went to Congress and he gave a talk, and he said, every man in this room is half the man his grandfather was.

00:31:05.000 As far as testosterone levels, right? 0.99

00:31:08.000 And penis size. 1.00

00:31:09.000 Well, he didn't measure their penis. 1.00

00:31:12.000 He was making this point. 0.99

00:31:14.000 And fertility animals.

00:31:15.000 Yeah.

00:31:16.000 Well, I mean, it completely makes sense.

00:31:17.000 But what doesn't make sense is how little attention that's being paid.

00:31:20.000 You would think that in a society that is fair.

00:31:23.000 I mean, America is also facing a potential population collapse.

00:31:28.000 People don't think about that, but our reproduction numbers were not reproduced.

00:31:32.000 Yeah, they're down quite a bit, and they're not at the level that we need in order to keep our population.

00:31:38.000 It's the, you know, the normal shape of the population is like this, right?

00:31:43.000 So this is up here, not very many people, and down here, lots and lots of people.

00:31:47.000 And this is terms of age, older, younger at the bottom.

00:31:50.000 Right.

00:31:51.000 Lots of people are living longer, but few are down here.

00:31:55.000 And then what that means is the ones down here are supposed to support the ones up here.

00:32:00.000 But there's not enough of them.

00:32:01.000 But not enough of them.

00:32:02.000 Right.

00:32:03.000 Yeah.

00:32:04.000 So it's a huge societal problem.

00:32:07.000 Well, it's just so confusing how few people are even aware of this.

00:32:11.000 We were talking, I didn't realize it had been five years since our last podcast, which is pretty crazy.

00:32:16.000 But in that five years, you barely hear about it.

00:32:19.000 It's occasional.

00:32:21.000 People bring up certain chemicals they think are bad.

00:32:23.000 Oh, avoid this.

00:32:25.000 Paul Saladino was the one that showed that the paper cups that you get from a coffee shop, that if you take that paper away, what you have is essentially this plastic membrane.

00:32:37.000 And that's what you're drinking your coffee out of.

00:32:39.000 You're not drinking your coffee out of paper.

00:32:41.000 And how terrible these things are for you.

00:32:44.000 But even that, it's like people just dismiss it.

00:32:46.000 The line around Starbucks is always the same.

00:32:49.000 There's always people going and get their coffee.

00:32:51.000 They don't think anything of it.

00:32:52.000 And they're just consuming these chemicals that mess up your health, mess up your vitality, your energy levels, everything.

00:33:00.000 Brain fog.

00:33:01.000 But whose responsibility is it?

00:33:04.000 Well, to talk about it, I think it's ours.

00:33:06.000 It's certainly yours and mine.

00:33:08.000 And we'll spread this word and more people discuss it.

00:33:14.000 And I think more people need to be aware that this directly impacts you.

00:33:18.000 Like, this is not like in the future.

00:33:20.000 I don't have to think about it.

00:33:21.000 I'll be dead.

00:33:22.000 No, it directly impacts your health, your energy levels, your vitality right now as a living human being listening to this show.

00:33:33.000 So just to add to that, how it affects you, not you, maybe your levels are lower.

00:33:40.000 I don't know, but we'll find out.

00:33:42.000 But both men and women who have lower fertility on average, these are studies, there have been about four or five studies that have shown this, lower fertility and sperm count on the male side, die younger.

00:33:57.000 Die younger.

00:33:58.000 Okay?

00:33:59.000 This should be of concern to everybody.

00:34:03.000 Yeah.

00:34:04.000 That makes sense.

00:34:06.000 You have less vitality.

00:34:07.000 You have less energy.

00:34:08.000 Yeah, and the things that affect your sperm, your vitality, your testosterone are also affecting other.

00:34:14.000 It's a canary in the coal mine, if you will, of lots of things that are going south at the same time.

00:34:21.000 Which completely makes sense.

00:34:22.000 And as the case of my friend Philip, all this fatigue, all these issues that he was experiencing.

00:34:27.000 Yeah.

00:34:28.000 Yeah, it's not just one, never just one thing.

00:34:30.000 Yeah.

00:34:30.000 Right.

00:34:33.000 It is quite disturbing how uncommon these discussions are, though.

00:34:37.000 That's what's crazy.

00:34:39.000 You know, that this is a, this should be a huge factor.

00:34:42.000 I mean, we get concerned with so many, oh, there's people concerned with alcohol consumption.

00:34:48.000 It's a big thing.

00:34:49.000 Like, and that has had an impact.

00:34:51.000 Children today, or young adults, I should say, today are consuming much less alcohol than people in the past.

00:34:58.000 Cigarette smoking, we're aware, very dangerous.

00:35:01.000 Much less cigarette smoking than in the past.

00:35:04.000 The consumption of these endocrine-disrupting chemicals is essentially the same as when we talked five years ago.

00:35:12.000 So I want to go back to this question I asked, is whose responsibility?

00:35:15.000 So I don't think it's, I mean, it's great for you and I to be concerned and for your listeners to be concerned, but in fact, it shouldn't be our responsibility because, you know, the drug FDA does drugs, right?

00:35:32.000 Pretty good control of safety of drugs.

00:35:36.000 Pretty good.

00:35:37.000 Yeah.

00:35:38.000 Okay, we can talk about it.

00:35:40.000 But compared to chemicals in our daily products, the products we use every day, it's fantastic because the regulatory agencies are not doing the job.

00:35:54.000 Right.

00:35:55.000 And so that's why it's all out there.

00:35:55.000 Okay.

00:35:58.000 They're not doing the job.

00:35:59.000 Here, in Europe, it's much better, by the way.

00:36:01.000 Is it?

00:36:02.000 Yeah.

00:36:03.000 Well, that's bad because they're going to beat us.

00:36:05.000 They'll out-reproduce us.

00:36:06.000 We'll go away.

00:36:07.000 They'll take over. 0.56

00:36:09.000 No more America. 0.86

00:36:10.000 We have to get people angry enough to put pressure on, you know, there's a bill, the Tosca Toxic Substances Control Act, which should be doing a lot of this.

00:36:28.000 And I think it's coming up for revision.

00:36:31.000 And, you know, maybe people can pay attention to that and read about it and think, government should be doing this.

00:36:38.000 It's not our job.

00:36:39.000 It's not our job to worry about what's in our pants and what's in our this and our this and our this, and you were asking what kind of was in, you know, denim and so on.

00:36:48.000 Should we have to read up on that?

00:36:50.000 Is there.

00:36:51.000 Are there dyes for genes and clothes that are not toxic?

00:36:58.000 Yes but, as I said, this is not my area.

00:37:01.000 Yeah, you got to get, I can give your name.

00:37:04.000 If you want to kid something on clothing and, you know, on this yeah, i'd be happy to.

00:37:07.000 Yeah yeah but um, just because it was relatively new to my consciousness when I was, you know, doing the film and before that we didn't collect data on that unfortunately, you know, maybe we should do another study, which reminds me.

00:37:23.000 There is just like so much work to be done and for my program there's so many interventions.

00:37:29.000 I want to do that.

00:37:30.000 We did this one with great success and now we're doing another one and we have another one.

00:37:37.000 But if anybody wants to help, you know, with this it's all privately funded.

00:37:43.000 The government is not going to fund this right unfortunately, unfortunately.

00:37:47.000 So, you know, let me know.

00:37:49.000 If anybody comes to you and says, how can we help, and all that well, i'm sure somebody will reach out.

00:37:53.000 They usually do.

00:37:54.000 Um, the the thing that I I would imagine would be the response to something like this was that there are so many industries that are established already that require the use of all these compounds, all these chemicals, all these endocrine disrupting chemicals, and it is, it's just everywhere.

00:38:16.000 It's everywhere and everything.

00:38:18.000 They use plastic in the production of so many different things.

00:38:22.000 These things are leaching into our food, they're leaching into our clothes, they're leaching into all these various products that we use that contribute to these chemicals entering into our body, disrupting that.

00:38:32.000 So, like you, you're aware glyphosate, i'm sure um, they were trying to eliminate glyphosate from the industrial agriculture.

00:38:41.000 Good luck, exactly.

00:38:43.000 Well, the president passed an executive order blocking it because some enormous percent 90 something Percent of all of our food in terms of wheat, corn, all the agriculture in this country relies on glyphosate for production.

00:38:58.000 And so the idea is we need poison so that we can make food, which is so crazy, especially when you consider the fact that all these other countries don't use glyphosate and feed their population.

00:39:14.000 So how are they doing it?

00:39:15.000 And what do we need to do to get back on that track?

00:39:18.000 And, you know, I had RFK Jr. in here to discuss it, and he was very crestfallen when he was explaining that there was an executive order passed and that he was working very hard to try to eliminate glyphosate.

00:39:31.000 And something that he discussed in previous meetings that he and I had that was one of his primary concerns.

00:39:36.000 Glyphosate is toxic.

00:39:38.000 It's terrible.

00:39:38.000 It's just completely awful for your body, yet the use of it is ubiquitous in agriculture, industrial agriculture.

00:39:45.000 And he was trying very hard to try to eliminate it.

00:39:48.000 And then the government passes this executive order because in their estimation.

00:39:55.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:39:55.000 Pressure.

00:39:57.000 And this is what I worry about with I don't want to mention any names, but there's a lot of these popular clothing brands that people wear that are, you know, fitness, I'm healthy, I'm fitness wear.

00:39:57.000 Yeah.

00:40:08.000 And these fitness wear that you're these clothing that you're wearing are leaching these chemicals into your body that are screwing up your health, which is so crazy.

00:40:18.000 But it's so, I don't want to say it's perfect, but it sort of encapsulates how screwed up our modern life is.

00:40:26.000 Yes, the paradox.

00:40:28.000 So I did a study on glyphosate.

00:40:31.000 I mean, I examined our populations for glyphosate.

00:40:35.000 And interestingly, they also have an effect on, remember, anergenital distance?

00:40:40.000 Yes.

00:40:41.000 The KJD, the taint size.

00:40:43.000 They influence the taint size.

00:40:45.000 Yeah.

00:40:45.000 Now, that's not, we did it in two studies, and there's been some animal studies.

00:40:49.000 I can't say this is an established fact, but I'm just pointing out that it has very, you know, many unforeseen consequences, none of them good.

00:41:00.000 And by the way, I was asked to go to talk to RFK tomorrow, but I can't because I have another meeting.

00:41:09.000 But I would love to talk to him about this because glyphosate is a big concern of mine.

00:41:16.000 Well, I hope you do talk to him.

00:41:18.000 Yeah, he has these roundtables on different scientific topics.

00:41:22.000 So this one is on microplastics, which is not perfect for me because I haven't measured them.

00:41:29.000 But if he has one on glyphosate or pesticides, that would be a good place for his hands are tied right now on the glyphosate issue momentarily.

00:41:38.000 They have some non-toxic solutions.

00:41:42.000 One of them is they have this new device, which is like the same way these machines pull the crops out of the ground, these machines go over the crops and zap all the non-essential crops with a laser beam.

00:42:02.000 Non-essential crops, excuse me, non-essential plants.

00:42:05.000 So weeds, I would say.

00:42:07.000 So as the corn's growing or whatever else it is, they're zapping all the other stuff that's growing around it that's sucking up all the resources, all the weeds.

00:42:16.000 Yeah.

00:42:17.000 That sounds like a good step.

00:42:19.000 That's a great step.

00:42:20.000 Because it minimizes the use of pesticides.

00:42:22.000 Exactly.

00:42:23.000 And I asked, does it have any residual effect on the food?

00:42:25.000 He said, no.

00:42:26.000 Well, that's great.

00:42:27.000 But then, you know, farmers, one of the big problems is they're already barely making money.

00:42:33.000 So if you now require them to spend, you know, X amount of dollars on some gigantic weed-zapping laser that has to cover who knows how many acres, they're running these.

00:42:45.000 I mean, I'm sure you're aware, but monocrop agriculture, for people who've never seen some of these places that grow corn and wheat, you're talking about these massive pieces of land that only grow one thing, which in nature doesn't exist.

00:43:01.000 So, of course, nature wants to rectify that.

00:43:03.000 Nature's like, why is there only wheat here?

00:43:05.000 You need weeds.

00:43:07.000 And so, you know, birds drop seeds, all these seeds fly in the wind, and then all these things grow.

00:43:12.000 So, you're going to have to get these machines that are capable of traveling over all of those crops and zapping out all the weeds.

00:43:22.000 How much is that going to cost to people that are already struggling?

00:43:25.000 Yeah.

00:43:25.000 You know, because the American farmers are barely getting by, barely, and we need them.

00:43:31.000 And, you know, the last thing you want to do is burden them with another cost.

00:43:34.000 But also, the use of, especially when it comes to things like wheat, because they're using it after they harvest the wheat to dry it out quicker so that it doesn't grow mold on it.

00:43:45.000 That's why they're using glyphosate.

00:43:46.000 So it's not even as a pesticide.

00:43:50.000 You know that.

00:43:51.000 Yeah, they're using it as a, I guess, a desiccator.

00:43:53.000 Wow.

00:43:54.000 Yeah.

00:43:55.000 And that's why so many theorized to be why so many people in this country have a problem with bread, you know?

00:44:03.000 It should make sense.

00:44:04.000 And with their tape, no, just a test.

00:44:06.000 And their tape.

00:44:07.000 Yeah.

00:44:07.000 A lot of tape problems.

00:44:08.000 A lot of people are complaining.

00:44:10.000 But it's just so weird that we're so intelligent and so informed.

00:44:16.000 And now we all have supercomputers in our pockets that have access to things like Perplexity that can answer any questions you have about anything.

00:44:24.000 But yet we're being poisoned by the very food that we eat, the coffee that we drink, the clothing that we wear.

00:44:30.000 Water we drink.

00:44:31.000 The water we drink, everything.

00:44:33.000 Here's a good question.

00:44:35.000 Are there any good filters on a consumer level that will remove a lot of these chemicals from water that a person can buy?

00:44:44.000 I can't name any brands.

00:44:47.000 Right, but are they available?

00:44:48.000 Yes, there are.

00:44:50.000 Is it reverse osmosis?

00:44:51.000 Like, what are the ones that work the best?

00:44:53.000 I'll tell you: my solution in my house, that's very personal.

00:44:59.000 We distill our water.

00:45:02.000 You know, so the water out of the tap goes into a big container, and then it's boiled.

00:45:11.000 Steam is formed, crosses over, and the steam is condensed into another container, right?

00:45:16.000 Right.

00:45:17.000 And that has nothing in it and removes everything.

00:45:22.000 And by the way, all germs also.

00:45:24.000 So that's what we've chosen.

00:45:27.000 And in this thing that sits on the counter, my husband does this every other day.

00:45:32.000 It's kind of a nuisance, but not too bad.

00:45:35.000 And water is fantastic.

00:45:37.000 Do you have to remineralize it?

00:45:39.000 You should take minerals somewhere.

00:45:41.000 You can do it in the water.

00:45:42.000 You can do it in your supplements.

00:45:45.000 It does remove the minerals, yes.

00:45:47.000 Right.

00:45:47.000 And that's what I've heard: the problem with drinking distilled water is that it actually leeches minerals and nutrients from your own body.

00:45:55.000 That I don't believe.

00:45:56.000 No?

00:45:57.000 I don't believe.

00:45:58.000 But the water itself has had its minerals removed.

00:46:00.000 Well, let's put it into perplexity.

00:46:02.000 What is the issue with drinking distilled water for health purposes?

00:46:08.000 And is it recommended that you add electrolytes or minerals or what have you?

00:46:14.000 Because that's what, so one of the things that fighters do when they're cutting weight, I don't think most of them do it anymore, but a lot of them were drinking distilled water so that the water would go in their system and right out of their system.

00:46:27.000 Because cutting weight for fighting, I don't know if you know about this, but they have to weigh in at a certain weight glass.

00:46:31.000 And essentially what they do is radically dehydrate themselves 24 hours before a fight.

00:46:35.000 It's not a great idea.

00:46:37.000 It's a terrible idea.

00:46:38.000 So Perplexity says it's generally safe to drink distilled water.

00:46:42.000 People do not need to add minerals to it as long as they eat a reasonably balanced diet.

00:46:46.000 Distilled water is simply water that's been boiled and recondensed, so it's very low in contaminants and minerals.

00:46:52.000 Health sources note that it is safe to drink but tends to taste flat because minerals like calcium, magnesium are removed.

00:46:59.000 What about minerals?

00:47:01.000 You get the vast majority of needed minerals, calcium, magnesium, potassium, etc., from food, not water.

00:47:06.000 So distilled water alone does not usually cause deficiencies in healthy people with a good diet.

00:47:11.000 However, some organizations and reviews point out that long-term use of very low mineral water may slightly reduce mineral intake.

00:47:18.000 And in specific groups, children, heavy exercisers, there we go.

00:47:22.000 People with certain illnesses could contribute to electrolyte imbalance if diet is poor.

00:47:28.000 So when might adding minerals help?

00:47:30.000 Distilled water is your main or only drinking water and your diet is low in fruits, vegetables, and other mineral-rich foods.

00:47:36.000 Adding a pinch of mineral salt or using a remineralization cartridge, that sounds terrible.

00:47:42.000 Cartridge sounds like plastic, right?

00:47:44.000 Or drops can help restore small amounts of calcium, magnesium, and electrolytes and improve taste.

00:47:50.000 Athletes who sweat heavily, people with kidney or hormonal issues affecting electrolytes and those on very restricted diets should be more cautious about relying exclusively on distilled water and may benefit from electrolyte or mineral placement as advised by a clinician.

00:48:06.000 I mean, I recommend people take electrolytes anyway.

00:48:09.000 I always add electrolytes to water every day.

00:48:12.000 Here's a funny anecdote.

00:48:13.000 We have a cat.

00:48:16.000 What's your cat's name?

00:48:17.000 His name is Archie.

00:48:18.000 Archie.

00:48:20.000 And Archie comes, patrols the house and steals our water whenever possible.

00:48:27.000 He comes and drinks from our glasses unless we cover them up.

00:48:30.000 So they think Archie probably likes your water because it doesn't smell like poison to him.

00:48:34.000 He loves our water.

00:48:36.000 And he has the choice of his own water, which comes out of the tap.

00:48:41.000 And he will 100% prefer our distilled water.

00:48:45.000 Which makes sense.

00:48:46.000 If you think about a cat's sense of smell, it's got to be off the charts.

00:48:49.000 So he can probably smell like this water's got a bunch of junk in it.

00:48:53.000 And when you do the distill, do the process, which Stephen does, you know, every other day, and he goes to clean the container that you put the water in, it stinks.

00:49:03.000 It really stinks.

00:49:04.000 You would be shocked. 0.98

00:49:05.000 Wow.

00:49:07.000 Well, we have a crazy filter at our house. 0.99

00:49:10.000 We have well water, and then we have this crazy filter, this giant machine that filters all the water.

00:49:16.000 It tastes delicious.

00:49:18.000 But it's not distilled.

00:49:22.000 I'm not saying that, you know, you shouldn't distill.

00:49:26.000 That's an alternative.

00:49:27.000 I mean, sorry, you shouldn't filter.

00:49:29.000 That's an alternative.

00:49:30.000 But I'm just saying what we chose to do in our house.

00:49:33.000 And so the distilling, it removes chlorine and all these other issues that are in the water as well.

00:49:38.000 Yeah, and fluoride, everything.

00:49:40.000 Fluoride is another one that's bananas that we add to water under the guise that it helps your teeth. 0.96

00:49:46.000 Like, shut up, brush your teeth. 0.85

00:49:48.000 You know, I don't have any cavities. 0.99

00:49:50.000 I don't use fluoride.

00:49:51.000 I have fluoride-free toothpaste.

00:49:53.000 I don't have fluoride in my water. 0.99

00:49:55.000 It's dumb. 0.99

00:49:56.000 It's not just dumb. 1.00

00:49:57.000 It's completely connected to lower IQs. 0.98

00:50:01.000 There's a direct correlation between higher fluoride content in water and lower IQs.

00:50:07.000 But there's a giant business involved in selling fluoride to these municipal water supplies.

00:50:13.000 I know.

00:50:14.000 Which is nuts.

00:50:15.000 More poison. 1.00

00:50:16.000 Like, we are so screwed up. 1.00

00:50:18.000 Chlorination. 0.98

00:50:19.000 And I've said, for years, I studied chlorination byproducts, and they cause miscarriage.

00:50:19.000 Yeah.

00:50:26.000 So it's got to be terrible for people that swim a lot in public pools, right?

00:50:31.000 Because then it's being absorbed by your skin.

00:50:31.000 Yeah, I know.

00:50:34.000 I don't know how much exposure you get in the relatively short time you're swimming.

00:50:39.000 I don't know.

00:50:40.000 Let's find out.

00:50:41.000 Put that into perplexity.

00:50:42.000 How much of an issue is chlorine exposure in swimming pools?

00:50:49.000 Hmm.

00:50:50.000 Let's find out.

00:50:51.000 We don't know.

00:50:54.000 We're learning so much.

00:50:55.000 There's a little science.

00:50:57.000 That question is going to get tossed around here by perplexity because it could go multiple ways with it.

00:51:02.000 Is there too much chlorine?

00:51:03.000 Like, what are you, you know what I mean?

00:51:05.000 Right.

00:51:05.000 Okay.

00:51:05.000 Let's say.

00:51:08.000 Is chlorine exposure in swimming pools a health concern?

00:51:12.000 Yeah, that's good.

00:51:13.000 There we go.

00:51:14.000 Let's try that.

00:51:17.000 I bet it is.

00:51:18.000 I mean, it only makes sense.

00:51:19.000 I would like to study someone like Michael Phelps, someone who spent like thousands of hours in a pool, whether or not it's affected his body in any way.

00:51:29.000 Whether or not there's like measurable chlorine levels in his urine or what have you.

00:51:33.000 Chlorine in properly maintained pools is generally considered safe, but it can cause irritation of eyes, skin, and airways.

00:51:40.000 Well, that can't be good.

00:51:41.000 And heavily frequent exposure, especially indoors, can contribute to respiratory problems in some people.

00:51:46.000 What chlorine does in pools, it kills germs like bacteria and viruses in pools and is key for preventing infections and diarrhea illnesses from contaminated water.

00:51:55.000 Public health guidance typically recommends free chlorine about one to four parts per million with pH 7.0 to 7.8 within this range.

00:52:06.000 Disinfection is effective and side effects are usually mild.

00:52:09.000 Common short-term effects, irritation of eyes, nose, throat, skin, common when levels are high, when chloramines build up, especially in indoor pools.

00:52:19.000 Chlorabines form when chlorine reacts with sweat, urine, and other organic matter, can become airborne and irritate the respiratory tract, causing coughing, wheezing, or tight chest in some swimmers and staff.

00:52:32.000 Long-term, regular heavy exposure in indoors, poorly ventilated pools has been linked to increased respiratory symptoms.

00:52:40.000 Some studies suggest increased asthma risk.

00:52:44.000 Okay, put this in as a follow-up question.

00:52:48.000 Is exposure to chlorine through the skin responsible for any health issues?

00:53:09.000 Let's just through the skin.

00:53:11.000 See if there's any studies on that.

00:53:13.000 Chlorine getting into the body through the intact skin from pool water does not appear to cause systemic whole body health problems in otherwise healthy people.

00:53:21.000 Its effects are almost entirely local to the skin itself.

00:53:24.000 What skin exposure actually does, chlorine is an irritant that strips the natural skin oils, disrupts the outer barrier, leading to dryness, tightness, itching.

00:53:34.000 So put this in.

00:53:36.000 What exposure does chlorine have to healthy skin flora?

00:53:42.000 Because healthy skin flora, you know, I do jiu-jitsu, and one of the things that happens with jiu-jitsu is you get a lot of skin diseases.

00:53:51.000 Like you get, people get ringworm, staph infections.

00:53:55.000 Well, you're getting scratched up a lot, and you're rolling around on the mats, and if the mats are dirty, and if it's just there's exposure to it, you can have a problem.

00:54:04.000 And then one of the problems that people have is to treat that, they use antibacterial skin soap.

00:54:11.000 So what that does is strips the skin of all the healthy flora, which actually protects you.

00:54:16.000 The counter to that, I always bring this up.

00:54:18.000 I have no affiliation with this product, but it's an excellent product.

00:54:21.000 It's called Defense Soap.

00:54:22.000 Defense Soap is my friend Guy Sako, he invented it.

00:54:27.000 He's a wrestling coach, and it was a solution using healthy things like tea tree oil, eucalyptus in this soap that kills the bad bacteria but does nothing to the healthy flora.

00:54:42.000 Yes.

00:54:42.000 That's great.

00:54:43.000 So that's the only soap that I use.

00:54:46.000 Chlorinated pool water does disturb normal skin flora temporarily, but in healthy people, the microbiome usually recovers within hours to a day or so after swimming.

00:54:56.000 So that's a problem if you swim every day then.

00:54:58.000 Chlorine is a broad disinfectant, so it kills or suppresses both good and bad bacteria on the skin surface.

00:55:04.000 Yeah.

00:55:05.000 Reducing overall microbial diversity right after swimming.

00:55:11.000 Experimental and field studies show that even short exposure can cut measured microbiome diversity markedly, often cited around 30 to 40 percent, with composition shifting away from the usual dominant groups right after a swim.

00:55:25.000 How long disruption lasts after leaving the pool?

00:55:28.000 Many of the resident species begin to recolonize from deeper skin layers, hair follicles, and the environment, and community composition tends to drift backward towards baseline over the next 24 plus hours.

00:55:42.000 With frequent repeated swimming, daily or high-volume training, the skin may be in a more chronically perturbed state with less time for full microbiome recovery in between exposures.

00:55:54.000 I know a lot of people have switched their pools over to saltwater pools for this very reason.

00:56:01.000 I think there's a problem with saltwater pools in very high temperature areas, though, where it's not effective enough to stop mold and all the junk.

00:56:12.000 Right, right, right.

00:56:13.000 Yeah.

00:56:16.000 Do you want to see these products I brought?

00:56:17.000 I would love to see these products you brought.

00:56:19.000 Here you go.

00:56:21.000 These are for cleaning up your system.

00:56:23.000 What's up, Jimmy?

00:56:24.000 A note on what you just said.

00:56:25.000 A saltwater pool is still technically a chlorine pool.

00:56:27.000 Oh, still a chlorine pool.

00:56:29.000 It just makes the chlorine on site instead of pouring it in.

00:56:32.000 Oh.

00:56:33.000 Salt systems work.

00:56:33.000 Yeah.

00:56:34.000 The pool is ordinary salt, sodium chloride, dissolved in the water, usually around 2,700, 3,400 parts per million, which is about one-tenth the salinity of the ocean.

00:56:44.000 And close to body fluid levels, the water passes through an electrically charged salt cell, which uses electrolysis to convert some of that salt into active chlorine, mainly hypochlorous acid and sodium hypochlorite that sanitizes the pool.

00:57:03.000 After chlorine does its job, it ends up back as chloride, and the cycle repeats, so you keep generating chlorine as long as the system runs and there's enough salt.

00:57:12.000 What's different from your standard chlorine pool?

00:57:14.000 You still have free chlorine in the water at typical pool levels, about one to four parts per million.

00:57:20.000 The difference is the source, salt generator, versus liquid tabled chlorine, not the sanitizer itself.

00:57:25.000 Most people find salt pools a bit gentler.

00:57:28.000 The water feels softer, and continuous low-level generation can mean fluoride, fewer chloramines, less smell and irritation if the system is sized and maintained correctly.

00:57:41.000 Interesting.

00:57:42.000 Okay, so it's still chlorine. 0.98

00:57:44.000 So it still probably disturbs your microbiome, which sucks.

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00:58:28.000 Sealed.

00:58:29.000 So let's open it.

00:58:32.000 Should be open.

00:58:33.000 No, it's not.

00:58:34.000 It's sealed.

00:58:34.000 It's tight.

00:58:36.000 What do we got in here?

00:58:37.000 A lot of stuff.

00:58:40.000 So in the movie, you'll see that I came to the homes of the participants with a big box, about this big.

00:58:47.000 So this is obviously a very small part of that.

00:58:51.000 This is just part of the kitchen.

00:58:53.000 Bags that are safe, oven, freezer, microwave, it's called Zip Top.

00:58:59.000 Yeah, they're silicone.

00:59:00.000 They're made of silicone.

00:59:01.000 Yeah.

00:59:01.000 Oh, okay.

00:59:01.000 So silicone's okay.

00:59:03.000 Silicone that's there is food-grade silicone. 0.89

00:59:07.000 And that is like spatulas.

00:59:07.000 Okay.

00:59:11.000 Yeah.

00:59:13.000 And food-grade silicone is free of phthalates and dysphenol.

00:59:17.000 So you can use that.

00:59:18.000 Oh, this is a lot thicker.

00:59:20.000 A lot thicker, yeah.

00:59:21.000 Yeah.

00:59:23.000 And so this is reusable.

00:59:25.000 Absolutely.

00:59:26.000 And you just put your food in the fridge in that instead of in a...

00:59:29.000 So you can buy these things?

00:59:32.000 This company, Zip Top, do they make them specifically for that reason?

00:59:36.000 Yeah, I'm sure.

00:59:37.000 Yeah.

00:59:38.000 There's one of many companies that makes this essentially like a Ziploc bag.

00:59:44.000 Exactly.

00:59:44.000 Way thicker.

00:59:45.000 Yeah.

00:59:46.000 Kind of cool.

00:59:47.000 And so they make these larger as well.

00:59:51.000 Okay.

00:59:51.000 There are a lot of good alternatives for food storage.

00:59:54.000 You know, glass, of course, is really good.

00:59:59.000 And ceramic.

01:00:01.000 It seems so much better, too, because it's not creating as much plastic waste since it's reusable.

01:00:05.000 Right, right.

01:00:06.000 Now, do you just run this through a dishwasher?

01:00:08.000 Now, what about dishwashing solvents and detergents and stuff like that?

01:00:14.000 There's always problems.

01:00:15.000 World's filled with problems, Jamie.

01:00:18.000 The pods are probably not great.

01:00:20.000 Oh, right.

01:00:21.000 Of course, right? 1.00

01:00:24.000 Damn pods. 1.00

01:00:25.000 Pods, tea bags, coffee pods. 1.00

01:00:27.000 Remember when kids were eating Tide Pods?

01:00:31.000 It's like nature's trying to get rid of some of the dummies.

01:00:36.000 Okay, so this company- I think there's two of those in there. 0.61

01:00:39.000 Yeah.

01:00:39.000 These are just little examples, you know.

01:00:41.000 Let's give this company a shout out.

01:00:43.000 It's called Zip Top.

01:00:46.000 And I guess they make them all sizes.

01:00:49.000 This is like sandwich size.

01:00:51.000 This is, I guess, a snack size.

01:00:53.000 And they make them larger, too.

01:00:54.000 Yeah, and they seal well, you know.

01:00:57.000 That's another question that I had about sous vide.

01:01:01.000 There's a lot of people that cook their food in these sous vide machines.

01:01:07.000 That's very common.

01:01:07.000 Really?

01:01:09.000 I thought it was kind of high, you know, kind of.

01:01:09.000 Yeah.

01:01:13.000 In restaurants and stuff?

01:01:14.000 Well, I mean, I know there's consumer versions of it that I know a lot of my friends use it.

01:01:19.000 Yeah.

01:01:20.000 They use it for wild game in particular because you can slow cook.

01:01:25.000 So one of the things about wild game, it has a very low fat content.

01:01:29.000 And a lot of people find that it's more tender if you slowly cook.

01:01:34.000 So let's say if you like medium rare is like, what is medium rare?

01:01:38.000 Like 135 degrees, I think.

01:01:40.000 So what you would do is you would take this piece of meat and you would seal it up in a vacuum sealed container and you dunk it in this sous machine and it keeps the water at 135 degrees.

01:01:54.000 You can cook it for several hours at 135 and then you sear the outside of it.

01:01:59.000 Nice, yeah.

01:01:59.000 And so a lot of people like that and it's really good for breaking down some of the harder stuff like the fascia and the grestle on it, yeah.

01:02:10.000 And so is that stuff leaking chemicals into your food?

01:02:13.000 It has to be, right?

01:02:14.000 Why?

01:02:15.000 Well, because it's in plastic.

01:02:17.000 You're getting these vacuum-sealed plastic bags that the food goes in.

01:02:21.000 Have you seen how Sousi works?

01:02:24.000 Yes.

01:02:24.000 Have you seen how these sous vide things are?

01:02:26.000 No, they're not as bad.

01:02:27.000 That sounds just as bad as microwaving in plastic.

01:02:30.000 So what you do with Sous V is you season the food, and a lot of times you'll add like olive oil and things like that to the outside of it.

01:02:30.000 Right.

01:02:39.000 You couldn't make it out of silicone?

01:02:41.000 I would imagine you could, right?

01:02:43.000 I don't know.

01:02:44.000 Let's find that out.

01:02:45.000 Has anybody made silicone-based sous-vied bags?

01:02:50.000 And do these sous bags leach chemicals?

01:02:54.000 I just saw a discussion on Reddit about this, but they didn't really have an answer.

01:02:58.000 Like they're asking that temperatures might not be high enough.

01:03:01.000 I don't know.

01:03:02.000 Yeah, what are the temperatures that you need that start these chemicals leaking into from the plastics into your water?

01:03:12.000 Because a lot of times they say don't leave a bottle of water in your car.

01:03:16.000 That's right.

01:03:17.000 Because your car can get really hot.

01:03:18.000 So how hot's your car get?

01:03:20.000 It doesn't get that hot.

01:03:22.000 it doesn't get like cooking hot so it's like what is but if the sous vide bags don't have plasticizers in them like if they're made of silicone right food based food what is it Food-grade silicone.

01:03:36.000 Yeah, similar.

01:03:38.000 So it says we use vacuum-sealed bags.

01:03:39.000 We're really going through them right now, even on early SUV.

01:03:42.000 I tried silicone reusable, and I wasn't happy.

01:03:45.000 I don't really recall why.

01:03:47.000 I think it was hard to get stuff in without a mess.

01:03:49.000 Okay, that doesn't make any sense.

01:03:51.000 Just deal with the mess.

01:03:53.000 We made a switch to vacuum bags.

01:03:55.000 I love it, but oof, we use a lot of bags.

01:03:58.000 Okay.

01:04:00.000 Put this into perplexity, please.

01:04:02.000 Do sousie bags leach endocrine disrupting chemicals into your food when you cook with them?

01:04:10.000 Let's try that.

01:04:11.000 See, we're learning things.

01:04:14.000 Does it have to be vacuum-sealed?

01:04:16.000 Probably, right?

01:04:16.000 Because you don't want water leaking in there.

01:04:18.000 Yeah, you don't want water leaking in.

01:04:20.000 I have a machine, and I use this vacuum-sealed machine.

01:04:24.000 So if I get wild game and then I cut it up into pieces, and then I seal it in these vacuum-sealed bags to freeze it.

01:04:32.000 Silicone-based sous vide bags are generally considered safe for food use and do not significantly leach, significantly a weird word, leach harmful chemicals under typical cooking conditions.

01:04:43.000 High quality, food-grade silicone is inert, BPA-free.

01:04:47.000 Right.

01:04:49.000 This is silicone, though.

01:04:51.000 Food-grade silicone shows minimal chemical migration, such as siloxanes, especially compared to plastics, release microplastics like BPA.

01:05:04.000 This is a silicone, though.

01:05:09.000 What was the question that you asked?

01:05:10.000 How'd you phrase it?

01:05:12.000 Well, you write souvy.

01:05:13.000 Okay, you write silicone-based sous bags.

01:05:15.000 Just let's not silicone-based, just like plastic sous bags.

01:05:21.000 Well, you know, they're going to leak stuff.

01:05:23.000 Let's find out.

01:05:24.000 Regular plastic sous vide bags.

01:05:27.000 Let's see what it says.

01:05:31.000 I don't know.

01:05:32.000 Right.

01:05:34.000 But I want to make sure that's vacuum-sealed sous bags.

01:05:39.000 It should know that we're talking about sous vide bags here.

01:05:41.000 Regular plastic bags can be reasonably, I don't like that word, safe for sous if you use the right kind, food-grade, BPA, and phthalate-free and rated for hot food.

01:05:53.000 But all plastics can leak some chemicals, and the data specific to sous V is still limited.

01:05:58.000 What regular bags are safe?

01:06:00.000 Look for bags made with polyethylene and or polypropylene that are labeled food-grade and microwave-safe.

01:06:08.000 Is there a plastic that's microwave-safe, though, is that real?

01:06:13.000 Yeah, these are considered safe with food up to around 190 to 195 Fahrenheit.

01:06:19.000 Most brand zipper bags, Ziploc GLAD, are polyethylene, BPA, and dioxin-free and are commonly used for sous at typical temperatures below 176.

01:06:32.000 Purpose-made vacuum sealer or boil-in sous vide pouches, that's what I use, are specifically certified as food-grade for cooking and are the safest plastic option if you want disposable.

01:06:42.000 So it seems like it's reasonably safe to do that.

01:06:46.000 A review by Utah's Department of Health notes that there's a lack of studies directly measuring chemical leaching from sous vide bags, but recommends using FDA-compliant BPA and phthalate-free plastics, which are not known for estrogenic activity and are considered safe for food contact.

01:07:06.000 Okay.

01:07:10.000 It says trout.

01:07:11.000 See, it says there?

01:07:12.000 One trout study found detectable BPA in fish cooked.

01:07:15.000 But the problem is food, like here's the problem.

01:07:20.000 Freshwater lakes, if you're catching a trout in a freshwater lake, freshwater lakes have horrible levels of these chemicals in them.

01:07:30.000 And most people do not recommend eating food from freshwater lakes, which is so crazy.

01:07:37.000 You think, oh, I'm going to go catch a fish from a lake.

01:07:40.000 This is going to be really healthy.

01:07:42.000 It's right from nature.

01:07:43.000 Uh-uh.

01:07:44.000 No, we've ruined lakes. 0.98

01:07:47.000 Yeah.

01:07:48.000 Like, what is the issue?

01:07:50.000 Put this in.

01:07:51.000 What is the issue with eating fish from freshwater lakes in America?

01:07:56.000 What are the health issues?

01:07:58.000 Eating fish from freshwater lakes in America.

01:08:01.000 We've looked this up before.

01:08:02.000 It's kind of stunning how much chemicals you get from a single fish that you would catch.

01:08:07.000 So if you catch a trout from, you know, a regular lake, you go to a lake, it looks clean.

01:08:13.000 I can see the bottom.

01:08:14.000 Everything's fine.

01:08:15.000 No, it's bad for you.

01:08:16.000 In fact, I know a guy who is friends with someone who does a lot of fishing tournaments.

01:08:22.000 So he goes to these fishing tournaments, catches a lot of fish.

01:08:25.000 He eats a lot of fish, obviously.

01:08:27.000 And he got horribly, horribly sick because of heavy metal poisoning.

01:08:32.000 Isn't that terrible? 0.81

01:08:33.000 Crazy.

01:08:34.000 You think you're eating fresh fish that you've caught yourself.

01:08:38.000 It's got to be good.

01:08:39.000 And it's got to be bad for the fish.

01:08:41.000 Eating U.S. freshwater fish can expose you to chemical contaminants like mercury and PFAS and if eaten undercooked or rawed parasites and some bacteria.

01:08:51.000 Most people can still eat freshwater fish safely if they follow local advisories and avoid high-risk groups, pregnant people, young children, eating too much.

01:09:00.000 Main chemical risks, mercury, methylmercury.

01:09:04.000 Nearly all wild fish contain some mercury, but levels of many U.S. freshwater fish can be high enough to harm a fetus or a young child's developing brain and nervous system if eaten often.

01:09:15.000 That's crazy.

01:09:16.000 PFAS, forever chemicals.

01:09:18.000 Many U.S. freshwater fish have miserable PFAS and in some studies show widespread PFAS plus mercury in fish tissue at levels that pose health risks for frequent consumers.

01:09:29.000 PFAS exposure has been linked to changes in liver and kidney function, cholesterol, immune response, pregnancy complications, and increased risk of certain cancers.

01:09:38.000 I don't know why they haven't mentioned autoimmune.

01:09:42.000 Immune response.

01:09:43.000 Oh, they do say immune.

01:09:44.000 Immune response.

01:09:45.000 Yeah, immune response.

01:09:45.000 Yes.

01:09:47.000 Yeah, this guy in Denmark studied people on the Faroe Islands, which they all eat fish.

01:09:53.000 They catch them, you know, the Faroe Islands, and they catch them there.

01:09:56.000 And so he looked at the levels of PFAS, and then he looked at their antibody response to vaccination down.

01:10:07.000 And so think of what that means in this time of COVID or whatever.

01:10:12.000 I want to do an intervention where we take kids who are getting PFAS-free school uniforms.

01:10:21.000 Remember, I told you PFAS was in school uniforms?

01:10:23.000 And then when they come in at age six for their first grade, they will have just had their booster, so then we could get their blood and see if the booster antibody levels were lower in the kids that had the PFAS uniforms versus the clean uniform.

01:10:42.000 Booster for which vaccines?

01:10:46.000 Mumps, Pertussis, MMP, I think it's called.

01:10:50.000 Okay.

01:10:51.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:10:52.000 And so it's lower, it's a lower response if your body's being exposed to these chemicals.

01:10:59.000 So you would imagine, even if you're not, you just lower response period to all immune function based on this.

01:11:05.000 Right, right.

01:11:07.000 What is these things?

01:11:08.000 Lufamids? 0.92

01:11:09.000 Oh, yeah.

01:11:09.000 So you can use them to scrub your sink and use them in the shower.

01:11:14.000 Yeah, or in the shower.

01:11:15.000 You should use those for your plastic.

01:11:16.000 But the sponges that most people use have a lot of chemicals in them.

01:11:20.000 Of course.

01:11:21.000 Makes sense.

01:11:22.000 So these are better.

01:11:23.000 Yeah, they're plastic sponges.

01:11:25.000 And you get them in hot water and you're scrubbing things, and some of the stuff probably gets in your plates and your food and your cooking.

01:11:32.000 So that's good.

01:11:34.000 What else we got here?

01:11:36.000 Bees wrap.

01:11:38.000 That's really nice stuff.

01:11:39.000 What is this stuff?

01:11:42.000 Actually, you can treat that.

01:11:43.000 This is some kind of paper that's been treated with beeswax.

01:11:47.000 So nothing dirty there.

01:11:49.000 And take it out.

01:11:50.000 You'll see how nice it is.

01:11:51.000 Okay.

01:11:55.000 I love this stuff.

01:11:56.000 I have a lot of it.

01:11:58.000 Because it seals.

01:11:59.000 You can seal the wax.

01:12:00.000 That's the wax.

01:12:01.000 Waxy finger.

01:12:02.000 Oh, okay.

01:12:03.000 So you use that to wrap your food with.

01:12:05.000 Yeah.

01:12:06.000 And it seals on itself, and you just rinse it out afterwards.

01:12:11.000 So you don't have to use saran wrap and all these things.

01:12:14.000 It does seal on itself.

01:12:15.000 It's so nice.

01:12:16.000 It seems like a form fits around things.

01:12:19.000 You can put it on an egg or a tomato or anything.

01:12:21.000 Well, with my friend Philip, I guarantee he eats a lot of sushi.

01:12:24.000 He runs a sushi place.

01:12:25.000 And if you ever go to a sushi place, all the fish is wrapped in plastic.

01:12:29.000 Yeah.

01:12:29.000 They're always wrapped in plastic, and then they cut it open, and so it's exposure to all this stuff.

01:12:35.000 You should use this stuff.

01:12:37.000 It probably has the same level of sealing as plastic.

01:12:40.000 Might be more expensive, though.

01:12:41.000 Yeah.

01:12:42.000 What's your health worth?

01:12:44.000 Right.

01:12:44.000 But it's also reusable, which probably isn't.

01:12:46.000 Oh, absolutely.

01:12:47.000 Just wash it.

01:12:48.000 That's the thing.

01:12:49.000 It's probably economical in the long run because plastic wrap you don't reuse unless you're a cyber.

01:12:55.000 And it gets all over the world everywhere.

01:13:00.000 I'm sure you've seen the Pacific Garbage Patch, which is crazy, right?

01:13:07.000 These are bags.

01:13:09.000 And these bags are called Wowie.

01:13:11.000 W-O-W-E. 1.00

01:13:14.000 And what is this?

01:13:14.000 Right?

01:13:15.000 It's another food storage choice option.

01:13:19.000 Paper?

01:13:20.000 No.

01:13:20.000 No, it's cloth.

01:13:22.000 Cloth.

01:13:23.000 But clean cloth, yeah.

01:13:25.000 And so you use this to just use it.

01:13:26.000 Like for bread, it's really good.

01:13:27.000 Bread, cookies, you know, stuff like that.

01:13:30.000 Yeah, we use those.

01:13:30.000 Okay.

01:13:32.000 And so is this, all these different products listed on your website so people can.

01:13:38.000 They're listed on the million marker.

01:13:41.000 There's a can there a card there to scan the QR code and you can go to that and um, but it would be nice if there's like a one, so if you scan the QR code, is there a one-stop shop?

01:13:53.000 Like people listening to this right now?

01:13:54.000 Can we send them to a website that can what?

01:13:57.000 What website would that be?

01:13:58.000 I don't, I can't remember.

01:13:59.000 Look at the card.

01:14:03.000 This one, tips for detox journey.

01:14:06.000 So this is the QR.

01:14:08.000 So if I scan this right now, it'll take me there.

01:14:10.000 Yeah.

01:14:11.000 That's my phone.

01:14:14.000 This world that we live in.

01:14:17.000 We're not ready.

01:14:20.000 Okay.

01:14:21.000 It says the website is millionmarker.com.

01:14:28.000 chemical glossary so this is the chemical glossary that's on this card but it doesn't i don't know Not the products, right?

01:14:36.000 This doesn't say the products.

01:14:38.000 It says partners.

01:14:40.000 So there's products on that other website I told you, on Plastic Your Life.

01:14:45.000 UnplasticYourLife.com.

01:14:48.000 So that's a place where people can go and see these products.

01:14:51.000 So there's three steps.

01:14:52.000 UnplasticYourLife.com, Action Hub, Protect Yourself.

01:14:57.000 And then it can tell you how to protect yourself against various things in different rooms.

01:15:01.000 I have it by rooms, I think.

01:15:03.000 This one says.

01:15:03.000 What is this one, Jamie?

01:15:05.000 This is the same website.

01:15:06.000 I just already went to the Action Hub.

01:15:07.000 Oh, so when you go to unplasticyourlife.com, it takes you to OSP Society OPS Society.

01:15:14.000 It redirects to this website.

01:15:15.000 Got it.

01:15:16.000 And then go to the Action Hub, Protect Your Family.

01:15:20.000 And then are the products listed down there?

01:15:22.000 Okay, yeah.

01:15:23.000 There it is.

01:15:24.000 Okay.

01:15:24.000 Single, okay.

01:15:27.000 Non-plastic bags, steel cookware.

01:15:31.000 Got it.

01:15:33.000 Replace the plastic cutting boards with wood.

01:15:37.000 So I think some people use titanium, which is fine too, right?

01:15:40.000 And then what above that?

01:15:41.000 What's above that?

01:15:43.000 Steel, single-use drinking water containers.

01:15:46.000 Never use plastics to store your food in.

01:15:48.000 Never heat plastics.

01:15:51.000 Holy.

01:15:52.000 Save your skin by selecting personal care products with natural ingredients such in glass or tin packaging.

01:15:59.000 Oh, boy.

01:16:02.000 So disturbing.

01:16:03.000 Washing your clothes.

01:16:06.000 Yeah.

01:16:08.000 By the way, we didn't talk about smell.

01:16:10.000 Smell.

01:16:11.000 But everything that's fragranced has phthalates.

01:16:14.000 Of course.

01:16:15.000 And, you know, like you think you're doing good if you hang that little pine tree in your car.

01:16:22.000 Not good?

01:16:23.000 Not good.

01:16:25.000 And you plug in things in the wall that's supposed to clean up your air and you know, refresh your air and so on.

01:16:32.000 Not good.

01:16:33.000 There's ones that are in cars now, like certain cars.

01:16:36.000 I think Mercedes has one where you refill it and you can it actually will spray air freshener through the vents. 1.00

01:16:46.000 Does Mercedes do that? 1.00

01:16:48.000 I think it's Mercedes, which makes sense.

01:16:50.000 You know, luxury.

01:16:51.000 I want to smell like lavender as I'm driving.

01:16:55.000 Oh, look at me in my nearest car smelling lavender, dying of chemical exposure.

01:17:00.000 We asked women on this, our certain study, we said, what do you use?

01:17:05.000 And then we said, was it fragranced?

01:17:08.000 And anything where they said that was fragranced, their body burden of phthalates was higher.

01:17:13.000 Of course.

01:17:14.000 What about natural deodorants?

01:17:17.000 I don't know.

01:17:18.000 You have to look at those.

01:17:20.000 I use natural deodorant to try to avoid a lot of that stuff.

01:17:24.000 On the product for it on the website, it says it's a miscellaneous dangerous good, I think.

01:17:29.000 Wax that is.

01:17:30.000 What?

01:17:31.000 It says miscellaneous dangerous goods.

01:17:33.000 Maybe it's when they ship it or something.

01:17:34.000 What it was.

01:17:35.000 Other dangerous substance.

01:17:36.000 The interior of the vehicle is going to be fragranced.

01:17:38.000 It says it right there.

01:17:39.000 This is under Mercedes, under their smell.

01:17:42.000 Aroma system, Pacific mood.

01:17:44.000 Ooh, I want a Pacific mood.

01:17:46.000 I'm living on the coast.

01:17:48.000 I'm fabulous.

01:17:49.000 And it says miscellaneous, dangerous goods, other dangerous substances.

01:17:54.000 That's crazy that it's labeled that way.

01:17:57.000 The interior of the vehicle can be fragranced to suit your own individual preference with the air balance package.

01:18:05.000 Flack-on Pacific mood, lemon and orange top notes accompanied by a blend of spices.

01:18:12.000 Ah.

01:18:14.000 But meanwhile, it's probably not good for you.

01:18:18.000 So, what is in there?

01:18:19.000 They're engineered specifically.

01:18:21.000 Does it say what?

01:18:21.000 They're also subject to rigorous testing, which means each part comes fully certified.

01:18:25.000 In the end, you can be sure that your vehicle will perform up to its potential mile after mile.

01:18:30.000 That's what this word meant.

01:18:31.000 I don't know if you want to try this.

01:18:32.000 Whoa.

01:18:34.000 Can you say that word, doctor?

01:18:36.000 Oh, no.

01:18:37.000 Gift.

01:18:42.000 I'm guessing it means one of these dangerous goods, but why might not?

01:18:46.000 Other dangerous.

01:18:47.000 They're calling it dangerous.

01:18:49.000 That sounds really crazy.

01:18:52.000 Like hazard warnings.

01:18:55.000 This is crazy.

01:18:56.000 But why would they say and then you're spraying it and you're breathing it in?

01:19:01.000 It could be very well like one of those California rules where they say like this building has got dangerous chemicals that could cause cancer and people and it like has to be weird that that's in the actual stuff that you breathe in and smell.

01:19:14.000 You know, I've heard another thing that's really bad for you is incense.

01:19:20.000 Probably varies with what's in it.

01:19:24.000 I wouldn't blanket all incense.

01:19:27.000 I haven't studied that.

01:19:28.000 Well, let's put that into perplexity.

01:19:31.000 Because I know candles are bad for you.

01:19:33.000 Scented candles in particular.

01:19:35.000 Scented, yes.

01:19:36.000 Yes, there's their aroma again.

01:19:38.000 See, one of the things that phthalates do is they cause something to hold scent, retain scent.

01:19:38.000 Yeah.

01:19:45.000 So they're put into perfume and they're put into makeup and they're put into, you know, the things you put on your wall.

01:19:51.000 And so, you know, you want something to smell for a long time.

01:19:56.000 You're going to use phthalates.

01:19:58.000 It says burning incense products, smoke, and chemicals that can irritate your lungs, worsen asthma and allergies, and with heavy long-term use in poorly ventilated spaces may increase risk for heart disease and some cancers.

01:20:13.000 You know, you think incense, you go over someone's house, they do yoga, they eat vegan, they burn incense, they must be healthy.

01:20:21.000 Right.

01:20:22.000 Long-term health risk, repeated long-term exposure daily for years, been associated in studies with increased risk of bronchitis, reduced lung function in children, and chronic respiratory symptoms in workers heavily exposed to temple incense.

01:20:37.000 God.

01:20:38.000 Epidemiological studies, mostly in Asian populations with heavy daily use, have linked long-term incense exposure to higher rates of cardiovascular problems, hypertension, coronary artery disease, stroke, chronic limb, what's that word?

01:20:53.000 Ischemia.

01:20:54.000 Ischemia.

01:20:55.000 What's that mean?

01:20:56.000 What does ischemia mean?

01:20:58.000 It can't be good.

01:20:59.000 Sounds terrible.

01:21:02.000 What is ischemia?

01:21:05.000 What is ischemia?

01:21:09.000 Huh.

01:21:10.000 Lack of blood flow to part of a body, usually because of an artery is narrowed or blocked, severe or prolonged, the affected tissue can be damaged or die.

01:21:21.000 Oh, great.

01:21:23.000 Oh, wonderful.

01:21:25.000 So you think about incense, you think like healthy, natural people.

01:21:31.000 Oh, they burn incense.

01:21:32.000 It sounds lovely.

01:21:32.000 It sounds like they're spiritual.

01:21:34.000 Ah, incense.

01:21:35.000 I used to love incense.

01:21:37.000 I used to use it all the time.

01:21:38.000 Thought it was cool.

01:21:40.000 Made you like, you know, be more peaceful.

01:21:43.000 Incense.

01:21:44.000 Bad for you.

01:21:46.000 Everything's bad for you.

01:21:47.000 You know what's bad for you?

01:21:49.000 These straws, if you trip with them.

01:21:51.000 You know, a lot of people have died.

01:21:52.000 These are metal straws.

01:21:53.000 Really?

01:21:54.000 They've died because they're on their phone and they're not paying attention.

01:21:56.000 They stub their toe and fall, and this thing goes through their eyeball and they die.

01:22:01.000 Yeah.

01:22:02.000 Okay.

01:22:03.000 I won't recommend that.

01:22:05.000 But also, you could die just falling.

01:22:07.000 I mean, if you're falling and you're holding a steel straw, throw it to the side.

01:22:12.000 That's my opinion.

01:22:13.000 So, if you want to do this little experiment of one that we're talking about, and of one, unless Jamie wants to do it too.

01:22:20.000 Jamie's in.

01:22:21.000 Look at him.

01:22:22.000 He's down.

01:22:25.000 Then Jenna or somebody on her team, if you had an hour, half an hour, I don't know how long it took, call you and said, ask you, what did you use?

01:22:35.000 What did you use?

01:22:36.000 What did you use for this?

01:22:37.000 This, this, this.

01:22:38.000 Right?

01:22:39.000 And then they'll recommend what to change.

01:22:42.000 Right.

01:22:43.000 I recently underwent this plasma phoresis thing.

01:22:47.000 Yeah.

01:22:47.000 And that's supposed to remove a lot of that stuff from your blood, correct?

01:22:51.000 So my body, I'll tell you what, the next day, I was very tired that day, like exhausted that day.

01:22:58.000 But the next day afterwards, I felt like lighter.

01:23:01.000 I felt like, oh, this is crazy.

01:23:03.000 I felt like I had more energy.

01:23:05.000 It was like kind of late at night.

01:23:06.000 I was like, I'm not tired at all.

01:23:07.000 This is weird.

01:23:08.000 Like, I felt different, you know?

01:23:11.000 So that would be great.

01:23:12.000 Are you going to do it again?

01:23:15.000 No, I just did it.

01:23:16.000 I mean, I would do it again, but I just did it a few days ago.

01:23:18.000 I was just wondering, you know, if you measured chemicals in your urine before you did that.

01:23:24.000 I should have done that.

01:23:25.000 And then after that, I don't have any P weight around from before.

01:23:28.000 No, I don't like.

01:23:31.000 But I could do it now, and maybe I have very low levels.

01:23:36.000 And we could attribute that to the, because I haven't done the best job.

01:23:40.000 Well, like I said, I did get rid of my plastic coffee machine at home.

01:23:44.000 I did that about three or four weeks ago.

01:23:47.000 One of the things it's done is it's made my morning coffee a lot harder to get.

01:23:53.000 It's more of like a ritual now because I use a steel water boiler thing that heats it up to 200 degrees.

01:24:02.000 And then I have a steel French press and I grind the beans in a steel thing.

01:24:08.000 It's like right.

01:24:09.000 And then I pour the beans in the French press and it takes 15 minutes rather than 30 seconds.

01:24:15.000 It tastes way better.

01:24:16.000 But I'm a big coffee drinker.

01:24:18.000 I love coffee, but I like it black.

01:24:20.000 Like I love the flavor of coffee.

01:24:22.000 I really do.

01:24:24.000 And so it just tastes better.

01:24:27.000 French press, I think, is the best way to drink coffee anyway.

01:24:29.000 And so I kind of decided, like, why am I, I'm avoiding all these microplastics.

01:24:34.000 I don't drink out of plastic or paper cups.

01:24:36.000 I do all these different things.

01:24:37.000 Why am I still using a plastic coffee machine?

01:24:39.000 I look at that thing every morning and I was like, yeah, but it's going to give me coffee right now.

01:24:42.000 So I press the button to get my coffee right now. 1.00

01:24:46.000 Then I was like, that's stupid. 0.89

01:24:47.000 So now I just, I only use something like this. 0.98

01:24:51.000 Yeah.

01:24:52.000 So I'd be interested to see if maybe I have low levels because I certainly feel like my body, it felt refreshed, like I had less inflammation.

01:25:03.000 You know, but that's like a two-hour procedure. 0.96

01:25:06.000 It's a pain in the butt. 0.98

01:25:07.000 You got to sit there for two hours. 1.00

01:25:09.000 You look like a psycho. 0.99

01:25:10.000 You have like, I should have taken a photo of what I looked like while I was doing it because I was laying there and I had like cords in this arm and cords in that arm. 0.99

01:25:20.000 So I had blood coming out of that arm and going back into that arm.

01:25:24.000 It's really kind of nutty.

01:25:26.000 How expensive?

01:25:27.000 I don't know.

01:25:28.000 Oh.

01:25:29.000 Yeah.

01:25:30.000 I don't know.

01:25:32.000 I'm sure it's not cheap.

01:25:33.000 But the benefits of it in terms of like the people that I know that have done it said it's a game changer in terms of your recovery, market recovery levels, much better sleep.

01:25:43.000 Like if you're wearing an aura ring or a whoop strap or something along those lines, you get much better recovery.

01:25:49.000 And I think that's probably the case with me.

01:25:51.000 I feel pretty good.

01:25:54.000 But I do a lot of stuff.

01:25:56.000 I do a lot of things to maximize my health, so it's really kind of difficult to know what's going on.

01:26:00.000 Which what's doing what?

01:26:01.000 I just know all in all.

01:26:01.000 Yeah.

01:26:03.000 You know, we always say, you know, in my field, you know, do one thing at a time.

01:26:06.000 Right, of course.

01:26:07.000 If you're doing science.

01:26:09.000 Yeah, I'm not doing science.

01:26:11.000 I'm doing chaos.

01:26:12.000 Yeah.

01:26:14.000 Well, you're doing, you know, experiment of one.

01:26:16.000 So, yeah.

01:26:17.000 Yeah.

01:26:18.000 But it works.

01:26:19.000 All of it together is definitely working.

01:26:21.000 My body's pretty good.

01:26:23.000 So, you know, you were mentioning how it's going to be very hard to get these things regulated.

01:26:27.000 And I just wanted to point out, we probably talked about this last time, but, you know, where do these chemicals come from, these plasticizers?

01:26:38.000 And you probably know they're made from fossil fuel byproducts, yes.

01:26:45.000 Yeah.

01:26:45.000 So the forces against eliminating them are not only the manufacturers of the plastic, but it's also the fossil fuel industry.

01:26:56.000 Right.

01:26:57.000 So that makes it extremely difficult.

01:26:59.000 Right.

01:26:59.000 Yeah.

01:27:00.000 Yeah.

01:27:01.000 And it's probably one of the primary factors to why this isn't discussed, because it would reduce fossil fuel consumption, which would affect oil markets, which would affect the economy.

01:27:12.000 It's big.

01:27:13.000 It's big.

01:27:14.000 Yeah.

01:27:15.000 But, I mean, the rate at which plastic production is increasing is astounding.

01:27:21.000 Yes.

01:27:22.000 And no end in sight.

01:27:24.000 Well, I don't think you're going to get the government to act about this stuff.

01:27:29.000 I think this has to be done on an individual level where people are aware of it and take steps to protect themselves and their family from these issues.

01:27:38.000 That's my cynical view of how this is going to be played out.

01:27:42.000 And I'm really hoping, I know for a fact a lot of people listened to our last conversation and made some lifestyle changes.

01:27:49.000 I'm really hoping that now, with this follow-up visit, more and more people will be aware of it.

01:27:55.000 Watching the movie.

01:27:55.000 Yes, and watching the movie.

01:27:57.000 And the movie's called, what's it called again?

01:27:59.000 The plastic detox.

01:28:01.000 The plastic detox.

01:28:02.000 And where is this movie available?

01:28:04.000 On your internet.

01:28:05.000 Everything.

01:28:06.000 Right.

01:28:07.000 But is it available on Amazon, Netflix?

01:28:09.000 It's Netflix.

01:28:10.000 Okay.

01:28:10.000 Watch on that.

01:28:11.000 Netflix is great.

01:28:12.000 There's so many great documentaries on Netflix.

01:28:14.000 The hidden dangers of plastics in our homes.

01:28:18.000 Six couples embark on a plastic detox within their homes.

01:28:22.000 It changes their families forever.

01:28:23.000 The plastic detox explains what microplastics and their chemicals are doing to our health and how we can take matters into our own hands.

01:28:30.000 From hormone disruption that's fueling a worldwide fertility crisis to growing rates of cancer and early heart attack and stroke.

01:28:37.000 This powerful documentary reveals the shocking science behind plastic's impact on human life.

01:28:43.000 Do you want to see a little trailer?

01:28:44.000 Sure.

01:28:45.000 Let's watch a little trailer.

01:28:46.000 Put your headphones on.

01:28:46.000 Well, you already know what it says.

01:28:49.000 Plastic leaches, a crap ton of chemicals.

01:28:51.000 Even the smallest levels of exposure can have profound effects.

01:28:57.000 Fertility worldwide is going down.

01:29:00.000 There you are.

01:29:01.000 And it is tightly linked to chemicals that are commonly used in plastic.

01:29:07.000 You have been trying to get pregnant for over 10 years now.

01:29:09.000 22 months.

01:29:10.000 Two and a half years?

01:29:12.000 Say what you always call yourself. 0.98

01:29:15.000 Ah, I say, you know, Julie, I'm not a human dildo.

01:29:19.000 This is a three-month intervention where we recruited six couples who have unexplained infertility. 0.50

01:29:26.000 We look at measures of semen quality.

01:29:29.000 The cutoff for fertile is about 40.

01:29:32.000 You're technically subfertile, infertile.

01:29:35.000 So that's kind of scary, right?

01:29:36.000 Yes.

01:29:40.000 The question is: if we lower people's exposure to chemicals that are in plastic, can we change their fertility?

01:29:49.000 These chemicals not only affect your fertility, they also have other health consequences.

01:29:55.000 These chemicals can contribute to early heart attacks and stroke, autism, as well as obesity.

01:30:02.000 Learning more about plastics, it's opening my eyes to how much bigger it is.

01:30:08.000 Many people think the government takes care of us, but very few chemicals are actually banned from personal care products, and over 1,100 are banned in the Eve.

01:30:20.000 To have a child, I believe it is a fundamental human right.

01:30:24.000 I think she'd be the best mom ever, and I really want to see that for you.

01:30:29.000 Plastic doesn't have to come from a toxic petroleum-based material.

01:30:34.000 We can learn to do it otherwise.

01:30:36.000 It can change, and you can help with the change.

01:30:41.000 That's another good point that he just said right there: that plastic doesn't have to come from petroleum-based materials.

01:30:47.000 And most people aren't aware of that, but you can make plastic out of plant compounds.

01:30:52.000 Yes.

01:30:53.000 And it's biodegradable.

01:30:54.000 Yes.

01:30:55.000 Which is like they make a hemp plastic.

01:30:57.000 Right.

01:30:58.000 Potatoes.

01:30:59.000 Potatoes.

01:30:59.000 Yeah.

01:31:00.000 Yeah.

01:31:01.000 And probably a bunch of other stuff, too, right?

01:31:03.000 That you can make plastic out of that doesn't have these effects.

01:31:06.000 Right.

01:31:07.000 It would be really nice if we moved in that direction, wouldn't it?

01:31:10.000 Absolutely.

01:31:11.000 Absolutely.

01:31:12.000 The plant-based plastics have the cost of raising the plants, of course.

01:31:17.000 There's that added cost.

01:31:18.000 Right, but does that even compare to the cost of pulling oil out of the ground and refining it?

01:31:24.000 Then turning it into plastic through some horrific process that turns the rivers blue or whatever it does.

01:31:32.000 God knows what it does.

01:31:33.000 Color turns us together.

01:31:36.000 Is there a list of garments that people shouldn't wear?

01:31:41.000 Are you aware of that?

01:31:42.000 The plastic leaching garments.

01:31:44.000 Well, the only specific ones I know are because people have told me about them.

01:31:50.000 Are the sports uniforms, team uniforms?

01:31:54.000 Because they have a coating on them.

01:31:56.000 Is it to make them more durable?

01:31:57.000 Is that the idea?

01:31:58.000 And probably this book to die for will have more information.

01:32:02.000 And I have it, and I read, I'm just so busy, you know, with this right now.

01:32:08.000 But I'm going to read it.

01:32:09.000 And then sports uniforms, kids' uniforms, airline personnel uniforms.

01:32:19.000 I think uniforms.

01:32:20.000 Firefighters.

01:32:21.000 Firefighters are big, big exposure to these chemicals, too.

01:32:25.000 Right.

01:32:25.000 Yeah.

01:32:26.000 Because they wear those waterproof.

01:32:27.000 Yeah.

01:32:28.000 Anything with it.

01:32:29.000 Anything that's waterproof, stain-proofed, just like your Teflon pants, you know, barrier.

01:32:29.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:32:34.000 Yeah.

01:32:36.000 So, yeah.

01:32:37.000 But I don't know any particular brands.

01:32:40.000 So I'd imagine like nylon track suits and all those different things.

01:32:44.000 That'd be terrible for you.

01:32:46.000 So customers could look for, when they buy these things, they could look for PFAS-free.

01:32:52.000 Just like now people know to look for BPA-free or, you know, if they could look at PFAS-free, then they would be avoiding a lot of this.

01:33:00.000 So go back to the top, please.

01:33:01.000 It says the worst offenders are synthetic plastic-heavy garments that are fuzzy, coated, or very tight to the skin, especially polyester fleece, recycled polyester fast fashion, and PFAS-coated water stain repellent, outerwear, and activewear.

01:33:17.000 Polyester fleece jackets, blankets, loungewear, extremely high microfiber shedding.

01:33:22.000 One study found that polyester fleece shedding orders of magnitude more fibers per wash than other knits, which estimates around 110,000 fibers per garment per wash.

01:33:32.000 This is both bad for environmental plastic pollution and for indoor dust and air.

01:33:37.000 Oi.

01:33:38.000 Recycled polyester fast fashion, like leggings, tees, dresses, and sportswear.

01:33:44.000 New testing shows recycled polyester garments shed far, said more and finer microfibers than virgin polyester.

01:33:54.000 Interesting.

01:33:54.000 So you think recycled, oh, I'm recycling.

01:33:57.000 I'm a good person. 0.96

01:33:58.000 No, you're killing yourself.

01:34:00.000 Increased particle numbers and potential toxicity.

01:34:03.000 These items are often cheaply made, shed heavily in washing, and frequently use intense dyes and finishes.

01:34:10.000 Hot pink.

01:34:13.000 Tight synthetic sportswear and underwear.

01:34:15.000 Yikes.

01:34:16.000 These are worn for long periods directly against sweaty skin and mucous membranes, increasing opportunity for contact with microplastics and additives like antimony, phthalates, and PFAS finishes.

01:34:30.000 Cheap synthetic performance or wrinkle-free fashion.

01:34:33.000 Stain-resistant, easy care, anti-odor, and heavy print coating garments are more likely to use chemical finishes that can off-gas or leach on top of the base synthetic fiber issues.

01:34:46.000 Hui, lower concern choices.

01:34:48.000 Okay, not perfect, but generally less problematic for leaching and microplastic shedding.

01:34:53.000 Undyed or lightly dyed natural fibers like cotton, linen, wool, hemp, silk without stain-resistant or wrinkle-free finishes.

01:35:03.000 Simple weaves, knits rather than fluffy or brush surfaces, which shed less.

01:35:08.000 PFAS-free rain gear and outdoor clothing.

01:35:12.000 Brands now often as PFAS.

01:35:14.000 What rain gear is PFAS-free?

01:35:18.000 That's interesting because I've always thought that it has to be coated.

01:35:22.000 Right.

01:35:25.000 A lot of work.

01:35:27.000 What has been the response to your, first of all, you're releasing your first book and then coming on podcasts and talking about this thing.

01:35:36.000 Has it been surprising to you?

01:35:38.000 Like, what has it been like?

01:35:43.000 It has been kind of surprising how much interest there is and how much people are taking this up.

01:35:50.000 And what's great is there are a lot of nonprofits that are in the space that are getting out these messages.

01:35:57.000 So it's not just me, you know, many, many nonprofits.

01:36:03.000 And then there's the Plastics Treaty, which is a worldwide.

01:36:09.000 It didn't pass, but hopefully it will come back and maybe next time.

01:36:13.000 And then there's the work that the EU is doing, which is miles ahead of us.

01:36:19.000 For example, I think I might have said this before, but just so in Europe, if you're going to put a new chemical into commerce, it has to pass certain tests to be safe.

01:36:35.000 Not here.

01:36:35.000 Right.

01:36:36.000 Right.

01:36:37.000 So the testing is on you and me and everyone listening.

01:36:43.000 And I mean, we haven't really raised our hand and volunteered for that.

01:36:49.000 Well, I mean, I don't want this to happen, but I think maybe what has to happen is these companies have to get in trouble.

01:36:56.000 Well, some of them have.

01:36:58.000 There are lawsuits.

01:37:00.000 Are there lawsuits against outerwear, clothing?

01:37:03.000 I don't know.

01:37:03.000 Yoga pants.

01:37:04.000 Because yoga pants are a problem, right?

01:37:07.000 Yoga pants.

01:37:08.000 Yes.

01:37:08.000 Yeah, those tight nylon things that a lot of the gals wear to.

01:37:12.000 Yeah, I don't know where the lawsuits are.

01:37:15.000 I might at some point get involved in that, but at this point, I don't know.

01:37:19.000 But I know there are lawsuits and that they can be an effective way to push back.

01:37:24.000 And by the way, you said we wouldn't get a federal law, and I think that's not for a long time.

01:37:29.000 But states can do it.

01:37:31.000 California, for example, is doing lots of good stuff.

01:37:34.000 What are they doing about it?

01:37:35.000 I can't name you the laws, but I know they're very active.

01:37:43.000 Ron Banta, he's a district attorney, attorney general of the state of California.

01:37:49.000 He's very active.

01:37:51.000 And so the states that have active pushback are able to get laws passed.

01:37:56.000 That kind of sets the tone for what's possible.

01:38:02.000 But I don't see us getting federal pushback very soon.

01:38:06.000 No, it seems like industry controls the federal government more than the health and safety concerns of the people.

01:38:14.000 Right.

01:38:15.000 Which is very disturbing, but not too surprising when you consider a lot of the other things that are allowed in this country that aren't allowed in other countries.

01:38:23.000 Like when you show the list of the chemicals that are illegal in the EU that are illegal in America, that's disturbing.

01:38:30.000 Like we're supposed to be number one.

01:38:32.000 We're number one.

01:38:33.000 We're number one in chemicals.

01:38:35.000 Number one in chemicals.

01:38:38.000 Probably.

01:38:40.000 The response when you were on this podcast was pretty shocking for me.

01:38:44.000 So many people reached out to me.

01:38:46.000 A lot of my friends that watched the episode were like, I can't believe this.

01:38:50.000 Oh, I have no idea.

01:38:51.000 It was five years ago.

01:38:52.000 But quite a few of my friends that don't reach out with every episode reached out and said, that is just nuts.

01:38:59.000 Like, I can't believe this.

01:39:00.000 And especially people with children and they're concerned about the development of their children or people who are pregnant who are concerned with the intake of these chemicals while they're pregnant, which has a radical effect on the child's development.

01:39:15.000 And alligator depends on the pressure. 0.91

01:39:16.000 If your friends are listening now, I can tell them that it hasn't changed much.

01:39:21.000 It hasn't improved much.

01:39:23.000 And we have to do a lot more.

01:39:27.000 Personally, and, you know.

01:39:29.000 I hate to say it, but I think, like I said, I don't think the government's going to do anything.

01:39:34.000 I think it's got to be up to individuals to make choices.

01:39:38.000 And I'm really hoping your documentary has another big impact.

01:39:42.000 One of the beautiful things about Netflix is that it's even though things get promoted on Netflix, whenever anything, so many people have Netflix that whenever anything's good, a lot of people just start sharing it and start talking about it and posting about it on social media.

01:39:58.000 And then next thing, the conversation starts happening and starts raising awareness.

01:40:02.000 And I really do hope you're going to go on a bunch of other podcasts as well and talk about this.

01:40:07.000 Thank you.

01:40:08.000 And there are showings and Netflix encourages that.

01:40:13.000 And I'm going actually all over the world talking at showings now.

01:40:17.000 The schedule is like crazy.

01:40:19.000 Do you ever think how crazy it is that you're this one person that's sounding the alarm?

01:40:24.000 Because you kind of are the most public face of this problem.

01:40:29.000 That is a little crazy to me, especially given where I've come from.

01:40:32.000 What if you didn't exist?

01:40:33.000 This is the question.

01:40:35.000 Oh, there are many, many people pushing back.

01:40:37.000 Many, many people.

01:40:37.000 Right, but I don't know if they're doing it as publicly as you are.

01:40:40.000 And certainly not, I mean, they haven't been on this podcast.

01:40:47.000 I feel lucky that I've had this opportunity, like you're speaking to you and your followers and other podcasts.

01:40:57.000 And then having the opportunity to have designed this intervention and have worked with Louie and others on the film team to put this forward, it's a very big thing.

01:41:05.000 And, you know, the film costs a lot of money.

01:41:08.000 And we've had worldwide support for putting this out.

01:41:11.000 So there's a lot of support behind the pushback.

01:41:14.000 And we just have to get everybody on board and just say, no, I'm not going to use that stuff.

01:41:21.000 Yeah, that's really what has to happen.

01:41:23.000 The conversation has to increase.

01:41:25.000 The volume has to increase.

01:41:27.000 More people have to share it and talk about it.

01:41:30.000 And more people have to have you on.

01:41:32.000 And, you know, we just have to sound the alarm.

01:41:35.000 It's kind of crazy that five years later nothing's changed.

01:41:39.000 Because, like I said, it shook up a lot of people that I'm friends with.

01:41:43.000 But I didn't hear it from any other places.

01:41:47.000 I mean, I didn't see you on it.

01:41:49.000 Did you do any other podcasts after you did one?

01:41:51.000 I've never done any.

01:41:51.000 You know Huberman?

01:41:52.000 Sure.

01:41:53.000 Yeah, I do.

01:41:53.000 Very well.

01:41:54.000 He's great.

01:41:55.000 Yeah, he's great.

01:41:56.000 And there are, I can't remember the right, but yes, a lot of podcasts.

01:42:00.000 But hopefully now more.

01:42:03.000 I do have more coming up.

01:42:04.000 My schedule is really kind of crazy.

01:42:06.000 One of the things that's great is the documentary is easily digestible.

01:42:09.000 It's on Netflix.

01:42:10.000 Everything's on Netflix.

01:42:11.000 You sit down, okay, let's watch.

01:42:13.000 And then you go, oh, my God.

01:42:15.000 And then there's all these places to go at the end of it to learn more if people want to do that.

01:42:21.000 I would love to see it viewed by influencers, not in the typical social media sense, but people like religious leaders, leaders who could be won over.

01:42:39.000 If you have any ideas, but I thought about having, you know, the Pope.

01:42:45.000 I mean, it sounds really wild, but a lot of people get their information.

01:42:50.000 Where do people get their information?

01:42:52.000 From their religious leaders, from their peers, from their doctors?

01:42:57.000 By the way, none of this is taught in medical school.

01:43:00.000 That's crazy.

01:43:01.000 That's crazy, right there.

01:43:02.000 Well, neither is nutrition.

01:43:03.000 Right.

01:43:04.000 Yeah.

01:43:06.000 So, you know, somebody's got to spend a lot of time getting that curriculum changed, right?

01:43:13.000 Actually, you have to get the tests changed because the teaching is to the test.

01:43:17.000 So if we could get this stuff on the test, there would be more doctors learning this.

01:43:22.000 But they don't get it.

01:43:23.000 They don't get it.

01:43:24.000 They learn about lead, that's about all.

01:43:26.000 Well, there's not a lot of incentive to teach this stuff.

01:43:29.000 That's part of the problem is that especially these petrochemical companies and the use of these things is going to affect so many different industries because if you cut that out and they know, I mean, how much of an impact is that going to have on the economy if everybody just stopped using all these chemicals, if all the Lululemon brands and I don't know, single them out, but all these different companies, if they all just went under tomorrow,

01:43:59.000 that'd be a giant problem if everybody just stopped using these things.

01:44:04.000 Maybe for a little while, but then they'd be healthier.

01:44:07.000 Well, the people would be healthier, but the companies would go under the bus.

01:44:10.000 Well, the companies will not be healthier.

01:44:12.000 No, they would.

01:44:13.000 Unless they make the switch.

01:44:14.000 But what could they do to make the switch?

01:44:16.000 Like, if you're a company.

01:44:16.000 Well, you were saying, like, plant-based plastics.

01:44:20.000 Do they make plant-based plastic clothing?

01:44:22.000 Does anybody do that?

01:44:24.000 Like, plant-based plastic leggings?

01:44:26.000 Let's find that out.

01:44:28.000 Does anybody make plant-based plastic used in clothing?

01:44:33.000 Yeah.

01:44:34.000 What is the primary chemicals that come out?

01:44:36.000 Is it PFAS?

01:44:37.000 P-FAS?

01:44:38.000 Yeah.

01:44:39.000 PFAS-free leggings?

01:44:41.000 Because I would imagine, especially if you're not wearing underwear and you're wearing those kind of yoga tights, that would get in there, right?

01:44:52.000 Well, speaking of that, they're looking for, they want them to be squat-proof in quotes.

01:44:57.000 So they're not see-through.

01:44:59.000 Squat-proof?

01:45:00.000 Yeah, if there's girls wearing leggings, you know, they're going to be doing a lot of squats at the gym probably or something. 1.00

01:45:05.000 Squat-proof.

01:45:06.000 So they don't want people to be watching them a lot, but there are some.

01:45:09.000 I don't know what that means, watching them a lot.

01:45:12.000 Dude.

01:45:13.000 Oh, see-through.

01:45:14.000 Yeah, yeah, they're see-through.

01:45:16.000 But that's a weird way to say.

01:45:18.000 Squat-proof sounds to me like you can't do squats.

01:45:20.000 That's a problem.

01:45:21.000 They're ripping, I would imagine, too.

01:45:22.000 I think it's just a bad phrase.

01:45:24.000 Like when you do a squat or downward-facing dog, the fabric stretches out.

01:45:28.000 You can see some undies through the fabric.

01:45:31.000 I tested nine different kinds of them.

01:45:33.000 So there's a few different brands.

01:45:35.000 This isn't even really bioplastic.

01:45:38.000 Go back.

01:45:40.000 Yeah, bioplastic.

01:45:40.000 There.

01:45:41.000 Three primary categories of non-toxic workout clothes, all natural or almost all natural.

01:45:46.000 For example, 100% organic cotton or 90% cotton, 10% spandex.

01:45:50.000 Most semi-synthetic fabric, for instance, 10-cell fabric, plant-based plastic, which is a plastic source from something like castor bean oil instead of fossil fuels.

01:46:00.000 In general, I'm not a huge fan of plant-based bioplastics.

01:46:04.000 They are advertised as plastic-free alternatives, but they're still plastic.

01:46:09.000 And some research shows that they're not truly non-toxic.

01:46:13.000 I know.

01:46:13.000 It's disappointing, it says.

01:46:15.000 Here's the honest to God truth.

01:46:17.000 When it comes to performance, stretchiness, compression, durability, the plant-based plastics do tend to perform the best.

01:46:24.000 Huh.

01:46:26.000 Followed by the semi-synthetics, followed by the, oh, no, I think they mean perform the best in terms.

01:46:32.000 Out of the three, I think, not.

01:46:34.000 But in terms of stretchiness, oh, the other three.

01:46:37.000 A lot of product categories where non-toxic options performs just as well as a synthetic option like shampoo, to give you one example.

01:46:45.000 It's not really as straightforward with leggings.

01:46:47.000 At the end of the day, you're going to have to decide for yourself what kind of material you prefer.

01:46:51.000 It will largely depend on things like what type of workouts you do, how you like your leggings to feel, where you work out, and more.

01:47:03.000 Okay, my reviews on these nine almost plastic-free, non-toxic leggings.

01:47:08.000 All right, let's get to it.

01:47:09.000 It says, what are the ones?

01:47:11.000 So, MATE, it's a company called MATE.

01:47:14.000 Overall review, they're the best middle-ground leggings. 0.88

01:47:20.000 They're not super high-performance.

01:47:22.000 I don't know what that means.

01:47:23.000 But they're made from healthier materials and are very comfortable.

01:47:26.000 They're great for lower impact workouts, just for general everyday wearing.

01:47:30.000 Squat test passed but had to size up.

01:47:34.000 So let's find what the best one is.

01:47:36.000 Do they have the best one?

01:47:38.000 I don't.

01:47:38.000 So MAID is one of them.

01:47:40.000 What are the other ones?

01:47:42.000 Pangaya, overall review.

01:47:46.000 Find myself reaching for these leggings more often than any of the others when it comes to hardcore workouts.

01:47:51.000 Compressive nature of them makes me feel very held in when I'm jumping around.

01:47:56.000 They have great stretch.

01:47:58.000 Squat test pass.

01:47:59.000 Material blend, 92% polymide bio-based EVO, bio-based content, 8% part bio-based Creora Elastane, 30% bio-based contact.

01:48:13.000 Makes them different.

01:48:14.000 Closest to conventional synthetics in terms of fit, feel, stretch, and compression.

01:48:18.000 Okay.

01:48:20.000 Well, so this website is thefitery.com and forward slash plastic-free non-toxic workout leggings.

01:48:28.000 Go check it out for yourself.

01:48:30.000 So there's some options that are out there.

01:48:32.000 Hopefully we'll give those companies a boost and more people will wear them.

01:48:36.000 Anything else before we get going?

01:48:39.000 Think we covered it all?

01:48:40.000 I think so.

01:48:41.000 I think we sounded the alarm.

01:48:43.000 I think we tried again anyway.

01:48:46.000 Yeah, we did something.

01:48:48.000 Like I said, I think it's just a volume thing.

01:48:52.000 More and more of these conversations have to take place so that in the general zeitgeist, more people are aware of it and it's just increased awareness and just makes it where more people are making better choices.

01:49:07.000 And your platform is so huge that I'm really encouraged to have the opportunity to talk about this with you and happy to come back.

01:49:16.000 Well, I'd be happy to have you back.

01:49:18.000 I loved you the first time.

01:49:19.000 You're great the second time as well.

01:49:21.000 And for everybody, one more time, the plastic detox.

01:49:26.000 That's the name of the documentary.

01:49:28.000 It's available right now on Netflix.

01:49:30.000 Go check it out and fix your life, kids.

01:49:35.000 All right.

01:49:35.000 Thank you.

01:49:36.000 I really appreciate it.

01:49:37.000 Thank you.

01:49:37.000 It was really fun.

01:49:38.000 Yeah.

01:49:38.000 It was great.

01:49:39.000 And I'm really so happy that you're out there because like I said, if you weren't doing this very important work, I wouldn't know about it.

01:49:45.000 And I think a lot of other people wouldn't either.

01:49:47.000 So thank you.

01:49:48.000 So pee in the cup. 0.62

01:49:49.000 I will pee in the cup, I promise you.

01:49:51.000 I promise you I'll pee in the cup, but I'll send you a paper.

01:49:53.000 And if you want to do the next steps, let me know.

01:49:55.000 I will do the next steps as well.

01:49:57.000 You want to know?

01:49:57.000 Okay.

01:49:58.000 So when you're ready to have another test kit.

01:50:00.000 Talk to that microphone so people know what you're saying.

01:50:02.000 Yeah.

01:50:03.000 So when you're ready to have another test kit.

01:50:07.000 Or you can go to Million Marketing and just order one.

01:50:10.000 Yeah.

01:50:10.000 Okay.

01:50:11.000 Yeah, it's $100.

01:50:12.000 All right.

01:50:13.000 We'll do it.

01:50:13.000 But we'll send it for nothing if you want.

01:50:15.000 Just let me know.

01:50:15.000 I'll give you the $100.

01:50:18.000 Thank you very much.

01:50:19.000 Okay.

01:50:19.000 Thank you.

01:50:20.000 All right.

The Joe Rogan Experience - March 31, 2026

Joe Rogan Experience #2476 - Shanna H. Swan

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