00:00:17.000So you've got a documentary about the, essentially about the same subject that you talked about last time you're here, the impact of microplastics and all these various endocrine-disrupting chemicals that we're dealing with.
00:01:33.000I went home and I thought a lot about that question.
00:01:38.000And that was what led me to create the program that I have now, Action Science Initiative, which is doing short, impactful, relatively cheap interventions to alert people to the problem and communicating this in a way that I'm hoping will reach more people than academia where I was speaking before.
00:02:06.000Because before I talked to you, I talked to my peers in, you know, academia and the Ivory Tower, you know, at the meetings where they all went, they read the papers that we all read.
00:02:19.000But the general public didn't get this.
00:02:21.000So you really were, I have to tell you, thank you.
00:02:24.000And you were actually very influential in my life.
00:02:30.000When I first heard about your book and I started going over the details of it and the subject matter, I was shocked.
00:02:39.000I couldn't imagine that something like this could not just have happened, but there's no large-scale effort to reverse course or to change course or to do something about it, or at least to make people aware of the impact that plastics are having on us.
00:02:54.000Let me tell you a story about a friend of mine.
00:02:57.000There's a guy named Philip Franklin Lee, who is a Michelin star chef that lives in Austin.
00:03:04.000And he has this amazing sushi restaurant, Sushi by Scratch, and great chef.
00:03:10.000Anyway, he was experiencing fatigue, like always tired, got his hormones tested, extremely low testosterone, but then got his microplastics tested, and they were off the charts.
00:03:26.000Did a series of interventions to try to clean his body out from that, stopped drinking anything out of plastic, stopped using plastic.
00:03:37.000Just by whatever he did, I'm not sure if he did the plasma phoresis thing that I just did recently.
00:03:45.000His testosterone went up to 1,200 with no testosterone replacement, no nothing.
00:03:51.000Just eliminating microplastics from his life over a period of time raises testosterone.
00:03:57.000So that's fantastic, and it's what we are seeing in the film and so on.
00:04:03.000I want to just make a small point, which is microplastics and plastics and plasticizers are not identical, right?
00:04:13.000So microplastics are a relatively newcomer to the scene because we've had plastics since 1950, right?
00:04:21.000Microplastics have been there but not recognized until relatively recently.
00:04:26.000And actually, measuring them in our bodies is much harder than measuring the plasticizers, which are the chemicals that are put in plastic to give them the various properties that they have.
00:04:46.000So there are other, you know, and by the way, well, we'll come back to that later.
00:04:53.000So yes, we can measure those, but measuring microplastics, particularly if we're going to go into your brain or into your testicles, you know, into a woman's placenta, obviously that's much more difficult.
00:05:06.000So they're not the same, but the microplastics, what they are is the actual pieces of plastic that carry the plasticizers along with them.
00:05:19.000So they do double damage because they carry the chemical harms, and they also physically enter the cells, right?
00:05:30.000So do you remember, I'm sure asbestos you know about, you know, and silicosis.
00:05:36.000And these were other examples of particles that went into the body and conveyed both chemical harm and physical harm, like inflammation and so on and so forth.
00:05:47.000So they're all bad, but they're not identical.
00:05:51.000And what we studied in the plastic detox, which is the film, that was, we did not study any microplastics.
00:07:56.000My colleague Jenoa and her team will analyze it for not everything in the world, but the bisphenols, the phthalates, and the parabens.
00:08:08.000They're going to be adding pesticides soon, and that would be great to have that as well.
00:08:14.000Then, if you want to go to phase two, I have some things here that you could swap in your kitchen, and you could go to that QR code and find out other things that you could reduce.
00:08:30.000And then if you wanted to, we could send you another kit and you could see if your levels changed.
00:08:53.000So you would be doing what the couples in, part of what the couples in the intervention did.
00:08:58.000The couples in the intervention also were infertile.
00:09:03.000And so we're not going to touch your fertility question, but they also, the men collected sperm, and we can do that if you want, but I don't think you, you know, you may not want to talk about that on your phone.
00:09:14.000But that's what we did in the intervention.
00:09:18.000So in the intervention, we found, I'll just, this is what the intervention was.
00:09:25.000There's a company called Fellow, which is grown out of UCSF.
00:09:51.000And they're asked, why did you want your sperm tested?
00:09:56.000And if they say, because we're infertile or subfertile, or are we worrying about our fertility, we ask, or they ask, how long has it been that you've been having this problem with fertility?
00:10:08.000And if it's more than 12 months, then they're technically infertile, right?
00:10:15.000So if they said they would agree to be recontacted and they were infertile, they were potentially eligible for this intervention.
00:12:35.000So we wanted to have a turnover within the course of the intervention.
00:12:40.000So we sent them a kit and they collected their semen at home, which is nice for guys because you don't have to go into the lab and do it there.
00:13:00.000So we had over time levels in their body of the chemicals, semen quality, what they were doing, what they changed in their life, because we had this record of everything they changed.
00:13:13.000And then finally, we saw who got pregnant.
00:13:18.000And I hope your listeners will watch the plastic detox.
00:13:23.000It's a movie that a lot of people love and found really moving.
00:13:50.000I suspect that they are using plastic.
00:13:53.000So if people stop at a place like that on a regular basis on their way to work in the morning to get coffee and they use, they bring their own plastic, or excuse me, they bring their own stainless steel thermos or mug that would eliminate some of it, but perhaps.
00:14:35.000And if they use those pods at home, Bruno, one of our guys in the film, wonderful guy, he was kind of addicted to his coffee machine, his pods.
00:14:51.000And we said, Bruno, we want you to stop using those pods.
00:17:10.000Well, I mean, it's the thing that came out of the episode that we did that shocked me the most is how little this is discussed in the mainstream.
00:17:22.000And I had not known until you brought it up, until you became a guest on the show, until I started researching it, I was stunned.
00:17:31.000I couldn't believe that this was something that was so common.
00:17:34.000And so, so one of the things that comes up all the time is infertility with couples that are trying and they're using IVF and it's more common now than ever before.
00:17:44.000And there's been a lot of things that people, a lot of factors that people have attributed to that reason.
00:17:50.000A lot of them being older people that are, you know, they put their careers aside in their 30s.
00:17:56.000They decided now it's time to have kids.
00:18:00.000But listening to you talk about it, it seems like that's only one part of the issue and not the big part.
00:18:07.000The big part seems to be that we're being poisoned and we're doing it by virtue of our modern world that we live in where so much of your life relies on plastic.
00:18:19.000And it's very difficult for people that are so set in their ways, they have routines, they don't really understand like what can I do to eliminate this stuff from my life.
00:18:30.000Just having the conversation and understanding that these things are having an impact is great.
00:18:35.000But the steps that people need to take in order to eliminate these things from their life, I think that's what's really important to get out there now.
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00:21:34.000And it's about the flight attendants' uniforms and the harms that they do because they have a lot of PFAS because they, you know, have to keep clean.
00:22:35.000So the fact there's little or no regulation of clothes or textiles we wear each day from uniforms to fast fashion, outdoor gear, and even the face masks that have become ubiquitous in recent years.
00:22:44.000Wicker explains how we got here, what the stakes are, what all of us can do in the fight for a safe and healthy wardrobe for all.
00:24:43.000That's a weird thing to say, but yeah, for lack of a better children per couple on the average in 1960, and now it's in South Korea, it's like 0.88.
00:25:19.000And Japan is getting there, and all of that Southeast Asia.
00:25:24.000And so when there's a lot of articles about this, a lot of editorials, a lot of articles, and they make me so, Joe, they make me so mad because they say correctly that having a child at older age will do this to some extent.
00:25:45.000You know, not wanting to have children, as many children, will do this to some extent.
00:25:53.000They just, and so I've written editorials saying, hey, guys, we're not alone on this planet.
00:26:01.000And we're not the only species that's declining in number.
00:26:06.000And then if you look at the curve of the number of species that are declining and the rate of decline of human fertility, they're parallel.
00:29:44.00020 to 25 percent smaller penis sizes compared to males from a cleaner reference lake.
00:29:49.000Males of lower testosterone levels, around 70% lower.
00:29:53.000Abnormal relationships between hormone levels and penis growth, unlike alligators from cleaner lakes.
00:29:58.000Alligators from polluted lakes also show other reproductive issues, abnormal sex hormone patterns, altered gonads, low hatching success, various birth defects, all consistent with exposure to endocrine-disrupting contaminants, EDCs, such as DDT derivatives, dildrin, PCBs, and related compounds.
00:32:25.000Paul Saladino was the one that showed that the paper cups that you get from a coffee shop, that if you take that paper away, what you have is essentially this plastic membrane.
00:32:37.000And that's what you're drinking your coffee out of.
00:32:39.000You're not drinking your coffee out of paper.
00:32:41.000And how terrible these things are for you.
00:32:44.000But even that, it's like people just dismiss it.
00:32:46.000The line around Starbucks is always the same.
00:32:49.000There's always people going and get their coffee.
00:33:42.000But both men and women who have lower fertility on average, these are studies, there have been about four or five studies that have shown this, lower fertility and sperm count on the male side, die younger.
00:34:51.000Children today, or young adults, I should say, today are consuming much less alcohol than people in the past.
00:34:58.000Cigarette smoking, we're aware, very dangerous.
00:35:01.000Much less cigarette smoking than in the past.
00:35:04.000The consumption of these endocrine-disrupting chemicals is essentially the same as when we talked five years ago.
00:35:12.000So I want to go back to this question I asked, is whose responsibility?
00:35:15.000So I don't think it's, I mean, it's great for you and I to be concerned and for your listeners to be concerned, but in fact, it shouldn't be our responsibility because, you know, the drug FDA does drugs, right?
00:35:32.000Pretty good control of safety of drugs.
00:35:40.000But compared to chemicals in our daily products, the products we use every day, it's fantastic because the regulatory agencies are not doing the job.
00:36:10.000We have to get people angry enough to put pressure on, you know, there's a bill, the Tosca Toxic Substances Control Act, which should be doing a lot of this.
00:36:28.000And I think it's coming up for revision.
00:36:31.000And, you know, maybe people can pay attention to that and read about it and think, government should be doing this.
00:36:39.000It's not our job to worry about what's in our pants and what's in our this and our this and our this, and you were asking what kind of was in, you know, denim and so on.
00:36:51.000Are there dyes for genes and clothes that are not toxic?
00:36:58.000Yes but, as I said, this is not my area.
00:37:01.000Yeah, you got to get, I can give your name.
00:37:04.000If you want to kid something on clothing and, you know, on this yeah, i'd be happy to.
00:37:07.000Yeah yeah but um, just because it was relatively new to my consciousness when I was, you know, doing the film and before that we didn't collect data on that unfortunately, you know, maybe we should do another study, which reminds me.
00:37:23.000There is just like so much work to be done and for my program there's so many interventions.
00:37:54.000Um, the the thing that I I would imagine would be the response to something like this was that there are so many industries that are established already that require the use of all these compounds, all these chemicals, all these endocrine disrupting chemicals, and it is, it's just everywhere.
00:38:18.000They use plastic in the production of so many different things.
00:38:22.000These things are leaching into our food, they're leaching into our clothes, they're leaching into all these various products that we use that contribute to these chemicals entering into our body, disrupting that.
00:38:32.000So, like you, you're aware glyphosate, i'm sure um, they were trying to eliminate glyphosate from the industrial agriculture.
00:38:43.000Well, the president passed an executive order blocking it because some enormous percent 90 something Percent of all of our food in terms of wheat, corn, all the agriculture in this country relies on glyphosate for production.
00:38:58.000And so the idea is we need poison so that we can make food, which is so crazy, especially when you consider the fact that all these other countries don't use glyphosate and feed their population.
00:39:15.000And what do we need to do to get back on that track?
00:39:18.000And, you know, I had RFK Jr. in here to discuss it, and he was very crestfallen when he was explaining that there was an executive order passed and that he was working very hard to try to eliminate glyphosate.
00:39:31.000And something that he discussed in previous meetings that he and I had that was one of his primary concerns.
00:39:57.000And this is what I worry about with I don't want to mention any names, but there's a lot of these popular clothing brands that people wear that are, you know, fitness, I'm healthy, I'm fitness wear.
00:40:08.000And these fitness wear that you're these clothing that you're wearing are leaching these chemicals into your body that are screwing up your health, which is so crazy.
00:40:18.000But it's so, I don't want to say it's perfect, but it sort of encapsulates how screwed up our modern life is.
00:40:45.000Now, that's not, we did it in two studies, and there's been some animal studies.
00:40:49.000I can't say this is an established fact, but I'm just pointing out that it has very, you know, many unforeseen consequences, none of them good.
00:41:00.000And by the way, I was asked to go to talk to RFK tomorrow, but I can't because I have another meeting.
00:41:09.000But I would love to talk to him about this because glyphosate is a big concern of mine.
00:41:18.000Yeah, he has these roundtables on different scientific topics.
00:41:22.000So this one is on microplastics, which is not perfect for me because I haven't measured them.
00:41:29.000But if he has one on glyphosate or pesticides, that would be a good place for his hands are tied right now on the glyphosate issue momentarily.
00:41:42.000One of them is they have this new device, which is like the same way these machines pull the crops out of the ground, these machines go over the crops and zap all the non-essential crops with a laser beam.
00:42:07.000So as the corn's growing or whatever else it is, they're zapping all the other stuff that's growing around it that's sucking up all the resources, all the weeds.
00:42:27.000But then, you know, farmers, one of the big problems is they're already barely making money.
00:42:33.000So if you now require them to spend, you know, X amount of dollars on some gigantic weed-zapping laser that has to cover who knows how many acres, they're running these.
00:42:45.000I mean, I'm sure you're aware, but monocrop agriculture, for people who've never seen some of these places that grow corn and wheat, you're talking about these massive pieces of land that only grow one thing, which in nature doesn't exist.
00:43:01.000So, of course, nature wants to rectify that.
00:43:03.000Nature's like, why is there only wheat here?
00:43:25.000You know, because the American farmers are barely getting by, barely, and we need them.
00:43:31.000And, you know, the last thing you want to do is burden them with another cost.
00:43:34.000But also, the use of, especially when it comes to things like wheat, because they're using it after they harvest the wheat to dry it out quicker so that it doesn't grow mold on it.
00:44:10.000But it's just so weird that we're so intelligent and so informed.
00:44:16.000And now we all have supercomputers in our pockets that have access to things like Perplexity that can answer any questions you have about anything.
00:44:24.000But yet we're being poisoned by the very food that we eat, the coffee that we drink, the clothing that we wear.
00:45:47.000And that's what I've heard: the problem with drinking distilled water is that it actually leeches minerals and nutrients from your own body.
00:46:02.000What is the issue with drinking distilled water for health purposes?
00:46:08.000And is it recommended that you add electrolytes or minerals or what have you?
00:46:14.000Because that's what, so one of the things that fighters do when they're cutting weight, I don't think most of them do it anymore, but a lot of them were drinking distilled water so that the water would go in their system and right out of their system.
00:46:27.000Because cutting weight for fighting, I don't know if you know about this, but they have to weigh in at a certain weight glass.
00:46:31.000And essentially what they do is radically dehydrate themselves 24 hours before a fight.
00:47:44.000Or drops can help restore small amounts of calcium, magnesium, and electrolytes and improve taste.
00:47:50.000Athletes who sweat heavily, people with kidney or hormonal issues affecting electrolytes and those on very restricted diets should be more cautious about relying exclusively on distilled water and may benefit from electrolyte or mineral placement as advised by a clinician.
00:48:06.000I mean, I recommend people take electrolytes anyway.
00:48:09.000I always add electrolytes to water every day.
00:48:46.000If you think about a cat's sense of smell, it's got to be off the charts.
00:48:49.000So he can probably smell like this water's got a bunch of junk in it.
00:48:53.000And when you do the distill, do the process, which Stephen does, you know, every other day, and he goes to clean the container that you put the water in, it stinks.
00:51:19.000I would like to study someone like Michael Phelps, someone who spent like thousands of hours in a pool, whether or not it's affected his body in any way.
00:51:29.000Whether or not there's like measurable chlorine levels in his urine or what have you.
00:51:33.000Chlorine in properly maintained pools is generally considered safe, but it can cause irritation of eyes, skin, and airways.
00:51:41.000And heavily frequent exposure, especially indoors, can contribute to respiratory problems in some people.
00:51:46.000What chlorine does in pools, it kills germs like bacteria and viruses in pools and is key for preventing infections and diarrhea illnesses from contaminated water.
00:51:55.000Public health guidance typically recommends free chlorine about one to four parts per million with pH 7.0 to 7.8 within this range.
00:52:06.000Disinfection is effective and side effects are usually mild.
00:52:09.000Common short-term effects, irritation of eyes, nose, throat, skin, common when levels are high, when chloramines build up, especially in indoor pools.
00:52:19.000Chlorabines form when chlorine reacts with sweat, urine, and other organic matter, can become airborne and irritate the respiratory tract, causing coughing, wheezing, or tight chest in some swimmers and staff.
00:52:32.000Long-term, regular heavy exposure in indoors, poorly ventilated pools has been linked to increased respiratory symptoms.
00:53:13.000Chlorine getting into the body through the intact skin from pool water does not appear to cause systemic whole body health problems in otherwise healthy people.
00:53:21.000Its effects are almost entirely local to the skin itself.
00:53:24.000What skin exposure actually does, chlorine is an irritant that strips the natural skin oils, disrupts the outer barrier, leading to dryness, tightness, itching.
00:53:36.000What exposure does chlorine have to healthy skin flora?
00:53:42.000Because healthy skin flora, you know, I do jiu-jitsu, and one of the things that happens with jiu-jitsu is you get a lot of skin diseases.
00:53:51.000Like you get, people get ringworm, staph infections.
00:53:55.000Well, you're getting scratched up a lot, and you're rolling around on the mats, and if the mats are dirty, and if it's just there's exposure to it, you can have a problem.
00:54:04.000And then one of the problems that people have is to treat that, they use antibacterial skin soap.
00:54:11.000So what that does is strips the skin of all the healthy flora, which actually protects you.
00:54:16.000The counter to that, I always bring this up.
00:54:18.000I have no affiliation with this product, but it's an excellent product.
00:54:22.000Defense Soap is my friend Guy Sako, he invented it.
00:54:27.000He's a wrestling coach, and it was a solution using healthy things like tea tree oil, eucalyptus in this soap that kills the bad bacteria but does nothing to the healthy flora.
00:54:46.000Chlorinated pool water does disturb normal skin flora temporarily, but in healthy people, the microbiome usually recovers within hours to a day or so after swimming.
00:54:56.000So that's a problem if you swim every day then.
00:54:58.000Chlorine is a broad disinfectant, so it kills or suppresses both good and bad bacteria on the skin surface.
00:55:05.000Reducing overall microbial diversity right after swimming.
00:55:11.000Experimental and field studies show that even short exposure can cut measured microbiome diversity markedly, often cited around 30 to 40 percent, with composition shifting away from the usual dominant groups right after a swim.
00:55:25.000How long disruption lasts after leaving the pool?
00:55:28.000Many of the resident species begin to recolonize from deeper skin layers, hair follicles, and the environment, and community composition tends to drift backward towards baseline over the next 24 plus hours.
00:55:42.000With frequent repeated swimming, daily or high-volume training, the skin may be in a more chronically perturbed state with less time for full microbiome recovery in between exposures.
00:55:54.000I know a lot of people have switched their pools over to saltwater pools for this very reason.
00:56:01.000I think there's a problem with saltwater pools in very high temperature areas, though, where it's not effective enough to stop mold and all the junk.
00:56:34.000The pool is ordinary salt, sodium chloride, dissolved in the water, usually around 2,700, 3,400 parts per million, which is about one-tenth the salinity of the ocean.
00:56:44.000And close to body fluid levels, the water passes through an electrically charged salt cell, which uses electrolysis to convert some of that salt into active chlorine, mainly hypochlorous acid and sodium hypochlorite that sanitizes the pool.
00:57:03.000After chlorine does its job, it ends up back as chloride, and the cycle repeats, so you keep generating chlorine as long as the system runs and there's enough salt.
00:57:12.000What's different from your standard chlorine pool?
00:57:14.000You still have free chlorine in the water at typical pool levels, about one to four parts per million.
00:57:20.000The difference is the source, salt generator, versus liquid tabled chlorine, not the sanitizer itself.
00:57:25.000Most people find salt pools a bit gentler.
00:57:28.000The water feels softer, and continuous low-level generation can mean fluoride, fewer chloramines, less smell and irritation if the system is sized and maintained correctly.
01:01:40.000So what you would do is you would take this piece of meat and you would seal it up in a vacuum sealed container and you dunk it in this sous machine and it keeps the water at 135 degrees.
01:01:54.000You can cook it for several hours at 135 and then you sear the outside of it.
01:01:59.000And so a lot of people like that and it's really good for breaking down some of the harder stuff like the fascia and the grestle on it, yeah.
01:02:10.000And so is that stuff leaking chemicals into your food?
01:03:22.000it doesn't get like cooking hot so it's like what is but if the sous vide bags don't have plasticizers in them like if they're made of silicone right food based food what is it Food-grade silicone.
01:04:16.000Because you don't want water leaking in there.
01:04:18.000Yeah, you don't want water leaking in.
01:04:20.000I have a machine, and I use this vacuum-sealed machine.
01:04:24.000So if I get wild game and then I cut it up into pieces, and then I seal it in these vacuum-sealed bags to freeze it.
01:04:32.000Silicone-based sous vide bags are generally considered safe for food use and do not significantly leach, significantly a weird word, leach harmful chemicals under typical cooking conditions.
01:04:43.000High quality, food-grade silicone is inert, BPA-free.
01:05:34.000But I want to make sure that's vacuum-sealed sous bags.
01:05:39.000It should know that we're talking about sous vide bags here.
01:05:41.000Regular plastic bags can be reasonably, I don't like that word, safe for sous if you use the right kind, food-grade, BPA, and phthalate-free and rated for hot food.
01:05:53.000But all plastics can leak some chemicals, and the data specific to sous V is still limited.
01:06:00.000Look for bags made with polyethylene and or polypropylene that are labeled food-grade and microwave-safe.
01:06:08.000Is there a plastic that's microwave-safe, though, is that real?
01:06:13.000Yeah, these are considered safe with food up to around 190 to 195 Fahrenheit.
01:06:19.000Most brand zipper bags, Ziploc GLAD, are polyethylene, BPA, and dioxin-free and are commonly used for sous at typical temperatures below 176.
01:06:32.000Purpose-made vacuum sealer or boil-in sous vide pouches, that's what I use, are specifically certified as food-grade for cooking and are the safest plastic option if you want disposable.
01:06:42.000So it seems like it's reasonably safe to do that.
01:06:46.000A review by Utah's Department of Health notes that there's a lack of studies directly measuring chemical leaching from sous vide bags, but recommends using FDA-compliant BPA and phthalate-free plastics, which are not known for estrogenic activity and are considered safe for food contact.
01:08:41.000Eating U.S. freshwater fish can expose you to chemical contaminants like mercury and PFAS and if eaten undercooked or rawed parasites and some bacteria.
01:08:51.000Most people can still eat freshwater fish safely if they follow local advisories and avoid high-risk groups, pregnant people, young children, eating too much.
01:09:00.000Main chemical risks, mercury, methylmercury.
01:09:04.000Nearly all wild fish contain some mercury, but levels of many U.S. freshwater fish can be high enough to harm a fetus or a young child's developing brain and nervous system if eaten often.
01:09:18.000Many U.S. freshwater fish have miserable PFAS and in some studies show widespread PFAS plus mercury in fish tissue at levels that pose health risks for frequent consumers.
01:09:29.000PFAS exposure has been linked to changes in liver and kidney function, cholesterol, immune response, pregnancy complications, and increased risk of certain cancers.
01:09:38.000I don't know why they haven't mentioned autoimmune.
01:09:47.000Yeah, this guy in Denmark studied people on the Faroe Islands, which they all eat fish.
01:09:53.000They catch them, you know, the Faroe Islands, and they catch them there.
01:09:56.000And so he looked at the levels of PFAS, and then he looked at their antibody response to vaccination down.
01:10:07.000And so think of what that means in this time of COVID or whatever.
01:10:12.000I want to do an intervention where we take kids who are getting PFAS-free school uniforms.
01:10:21.000Remember, I told you PFAS was in school uniforms?
01:10:23.000And then when they come in at age six for their first grade, they will have just had their booster, so then we could get their blood and see if the booster antibody levels were lower in the kids that had the PFAS uniforms versus the clean uniform.
01:11:25.000And you get them in hot water and you're scrubbing things, and some of the stuff probably gets in your plates and your food and your cooking.
01:13:41.000There's a can there a card there to scan the QR code and you can go to that and um, but it would be nice if there's like a one, so if you scan the QR code, is there a one-stop shop?
01:13:53.000Like people listening to this right now?
01:13:54.000Can we send them to a website that can what?
01:18:56.000But why would they say and then you're spraying it and you're breathing it in?
01:19:01.000It could be very well like one of those California rules where they say like this building has got dangerous chemicals that could cause cancer and people and it like has to be weird that that's in the actual stuff that you breathe in and smell.
01:19:14.000You know, I've heard another thing that's really bad for you is incense.
01:19:58.000It says burning incense products, smoke, and chemicals that can irritate your lungs, worsen asthma and allergies, and with heavy long-term use in poorly ventilated spaces may increase risk for heart disease and some cancers.
01:20:13.000You know, you think incense, you go over someone's house, they do yoga, they eat vegan, they burn incense, they must be healthy.
01:20:22.000Long-term health risk, repeated long-term exposure daily for years, been associated in studies with increased risk of bronchitis, reduced lung function in children, and chronic respiratory symptoms in workers heavily exposed to temple incense.
01:20:38.000Epidemiological studies, mostly in Asian populations with heavy daily use, have linked long-term incense exposure to higher rates of cardiovascular problems, hypertension, coronary artery disease, stroke, chronic limb, what's that word?
01:21:10.000Lack of blood flow to part of a body, usually because of an artery is narrowed or blocked, severe or prolonged, the affected tissue can be damaged or die.
01:22:25.000Then Jenna or somebody on her team, if you had an hour, half an hour, I don't know how long it took, call you and said, ask you, what did you use?
01:24:52.000So I'd be interested to see if maybe I have low levels because I certainly feel like my body, it felt refreshed, like I had less inflammation.
01:25:03.000You know, but that's like a two-hour procedure.
01:25:10.000You have like, I should have taken a photo of what I looked like while I was doing it because I was laying there and I had like cords in this arm and cords in that arm.
01:25:20.000So I had blood coming out of that arm and going back into that arm.
01:25:33.000But the benefits of it in terms of like the people that I know that have done it said it's a game changer in terms of your recovery, market recovery levels, much better sleep.
01:25:43.000Like if you're wearing an aura ring or a whoop strap or something along those lines, you get much better recovery.
01:25:49.000And I think that's probably the case with me.
01:26:23.000So, you know, you were mentioning how it's going to be very hard to get these things regulated.
01:26:27.000And I just wanted to point out, we probably talked about this last time, but, you know, where do these chemicals come from, these plasticizers?
01:26:38.000And you probably know they're made from fossil fuel byproducts, yes.
01:27:01.000And it's probably one of the primary factors to why this isn't discussed, because it would reduce fossil fuel consumption, which would affect oil markets, which would affect the economy.
01:27:24.000Well, I don't think you're going to get the government to act about this stuff.
01:27:29.000I think this has to be done on an individual level where people are aware of it and take steps to protect themselves and their family from these issues.
01:27:38.000That's my cynical view of how this is going to be played out.
01:27:42.000And I'm really hoping, I know for a fact a lot of people listened to our last conversation and made some lifestyle changes.
01:27:49.000I'm really hoping that now, with this follow-up visit, more and more people will be aware of it.
01:29:40.000The question is: if we lower people's exposure to chemicals that are in plastic, can we change their fertility?
01:29:49.000These chemicals not only affect your fertility, they also have other health consequences.
01:29:55.000These chemicals can contribute to early heart attacks and stroke, autism, as well as obesity.
01:30:02.000Learning more about plastics, it's opening my eyes to how much bigger it is.
01:30:08.000Many people think the government takes care of us, but very few chemicals are actually banned from personal care products, and over 1,100 are banned in the Eve.
01:30:20.000To have a child, I believe it is a fundamental human right.
01:30:24.000I think she'd be the best mom ever, and I really want to see that for you.
01:30:29.000Plastic doesn't have to come from a toxic petroleum-based material.
01:33:01.000It says the worst offenders are synthetic plastic-heavy garments that are fuzzy, coated, or very tight to the skin, especially polyester fleece, recycled polyester fast fashion, and PFAS-coated water stain repellent, outerwear, and activewear.
01:33:17.000Polyester fleece jackets, blankets, loungewear, extremely high microfiber shedding.
01:33:22.000One study found that polyester fleece shedding orders of magnitude more fibers per wash than other knits, which estimates around 110,000 fibers per garment per wash.
01:33:32.000This is both bad for environmental plastic pollution and for indoor dust and air.
01:34:16.000These are worn for long periods directly against sweaty skin and mucous membranes, increasing opportunity for contact with microplastics and additives like antimony, phthalates, and PFAS finishes.
01:34:30.000Cheap synthetic performance or wrinkle-free fashion.
01:34:33.000Stain-resistant, easy care, anti-odor, and heavy print coating garments are more likely to use chemical finishes that can off-gas or leach on top of the base synthetic fiber issues.
01:35:27.000What has been the response to your, first of all, you're releasing your first book and then coming on podcasts and talking about this thing.
01:35:43.000It has been kind of surprising how much interest there is and how much people are taking this up.
01:35:50.000And what's great is there are a lot of nonprofits that are in the space that are getting out these messages.
01:35:57.000So it's not just me, you know, many, many nonprofits.
01:36:03.000And then there's the Plastics Treaty, which is a worldwide.
01:36:09.000It didn't pass, but hopefully it will come back and maybe next time.
01:36:13.000And then there's the work that the EU is doing, which is miles ahead of us.
01:36:19.000For example, I think I might have said this before, but just so in Europe, if you're going to put a new chemical into commerce, it has to pass certain tests to be safe.
01:38:15.000Which is very disturbing, but not too surprising when you consider a lot of the other things that are allowed in this country that aren't allowed in other countries.
01:38:23.000Like when you show the list of the chemicals that are illegal in the EU that are illegal in America, that's disturbing.
01:39:00.000And especially people with children and they're concerned about the development of their children or people who are pregnant who are concerned with the intake of these chemicals while they're pregnant, which has a radical effect on the child's development.
01:39:15.000And alligator depends on the pressure.
01:39:16.000If your friends are listening now, I can tell them that it hasn't changed much.
01:39:29.000I hate to say it, but I think, like I said, I don't think the government's going to do anything.
01:39:34.000I think it's got to be up to individuals to make choices.
01:39:38.000And I'm really hoping your documentary has another big impact.
01:39:42.000One of the beautiful things about Netflix is that it's even though things get promoted on Netflix, whenever anything, so many people have Netflix that whenever anything's good, a lot of people just start sharing it and start talking about it and posting about it on social media.
01:39:58.000And then next thing, the conversation starts happening and starts raising awareness.
01:40:02.000And I really do hope you're going to go on a bunch of other podcasts as well and talk about this.
01:40:37.000Right, but I don't know if they're doing it as publicly as you are.
01:40:40.000And certainly not, I mean, they haven't been on this podcast.
01:40:47.000I feel lucky that I've had this opportunity, like you're speaking to you and your followers and other podcasts.
01:40:57.000And then having the opportunity to have designed this intervention and have worked with Louie and others on the film team to put this forward, it's a very big thing.
01:41:05.000And, you know, the film costs a lot of money.
01:41:08.000And we've had worldwide support for putting this out.
01:41:11.000So there's a lot of support behind the pushback.
01:41:14.000And we just have to get everybody on board and just say, no, I'm not going to use that stuff.
01:41:21.000Yeah, that's really what has to happen.
01:42:15.000And then there's all these places to go at the end of it to learn more if people want to do that.
01:42:21.000I would love to see it viewed by influencers, not in the typical social media sense, but people like religious leaders, leaders who could be won over.
01:42:39.000If you have any ideas, but I thought about having, you know, the Pope.
01:42:45.000I mean, it sounds really wild, but a lot of people get their information.
01:42:50.000Where do people get their information?
01:42:52.000From their religious leaders, from their peers, from their doctors?
01:42:57.000By the way, none of this is taught in medical school.
01:43:24.000They learn about lead, that's about all.
01:43:26.000Well, there's not a lot of incentive to teach this stuff.
01:43:29.000That's part of the problem is that especially these petrochemical companies and the use of these things is going to affect so many different industries because if you cut that out and they know, I mean, how much of an impact is that going to have on the economy if everybody just stopped using all these chemicals, if all the Lululemon brands and I don't know, single them out, but all these different companies, if they all just went under tomorrow,
01:43:59.000that'd be a giant problem if everybody just stopped using these things.
01:44:04.000Maybe for a little while, but then they'd be healthier.
01:44:07.000Well, the people would be healthier, but the companies would go under the bus.
01:44:10.000Well, the companies will not be healthier.
01:44:41.000Because I would imagine, especially if you're not wearing underwear and you're wearing those kind of yoga tights, that would get in there, right?
01:44:52.000Well, speaking of that, they're looking for, they want them to be squat-proof in quotes.
01:45:41.000Three primary categories of non-toxic workout clothes, all natural or almost all natural.
01:45:46.000For example, 100% organic cotton or 90% cotton, 10% spandex.
01:45:50.000Most semi-synthetic fabric, for instance, 10-cell fabric, plant-based plastic, which is a plastic source from something like castor bean oil instead of fossil fuels.
01:46:00.000In general, I'm not a huge fan of plant-based bioplastics.
01:46:04.000They are advertised as plastic-free alternatives, but they're still plastic.
01:46:09.000And some research shows that they're not truly non-toxic.
01:48:48.000Like I said, I think it's just a volume thing.
01:48:52.000More and more of these conversations have to take place so that in the general zeitgeist, more people are aware of it and it's just increased awareness and just makes it where more people are making better choices.
01:49:07.000And your platform is so huge that I'm really encouraged to have the opportunity to talk about this with you and happy to come back.
01:49:39.000And I'm really so happy that you're out there because like I said, if you weren't doing this very important work, I wouldn't know about it.
01:49:45.000And I think a lot of other people wouldn't either.