The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2482 - Andy Stumpf

00:00:02.000 Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out.

00:00:04.000 The Joe Rogan Experience.

00:00:06.000 Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

00:00:12.000 Being a pacifist is the way.

00:00:13.000 Avoid violence at all costs.

00:00:15.000 You have a major. 0.97

00:00:16.000 Look at you, dog. 1.00

00:00:17.000 You're a fucking author. 1.00

00:00:18.000 Let's take it easy. 1.00

00:00:19.000 I'm not an author until tomorrow, technically.

00:00:22.000 No, you're an author once it's written.

00:00:24.000 I can read it, which makes you an author.

00:00:26.000 I have a book in my hand, which makes you an author.

00:00:29.000 I tell you what, man, you had more of a hand in that book than you would think.

00:00:36.000 You know, before we started, I had you sign one of the copies because I'm going to keep it for myself.

00:00:41.000 The people's names who associated themselves with that, who took a chance on me and supporting me, they have just as much as hands as the monkey who may or may not have been sitting in front of the computer writing out the words very slowly.

00:00:53.000 Isn't that the case with everything in life, though?

00:00:56.000 I mean, it's really who you know and like the people that you associate with and what you learn from them and their examples with everything.

00:01:05.000 There's no individuals that are responsible entirely for their own life.

00:01:09.000 There are individuals, though, that would tell you that they are.

00:01:14.000 Yeah, but those are the people that I don't hang out with.

00:01:17.000 Yeah, I can't suffer being in the presence of somebody who thinks that they had every idea and every right decision was theirs.

00:01:25.000 Because I look at my own life. 0.99

00:01:26.000 One, I can't compete with that because my life is defined by its mistakes and idiotic things I've done. 0.99

00:01:30.000 But two, I just don't get it. 0.96

00:01:32.000 I'm a product of the people who I was raised by, the people I was around, the people still in my life.

00:01:36.000 I mean, 100%.

00:01:38.000 We all are.

00:01:39.000 If you don't think that, you're delusional. 1.00

00:01:43.000 You cannot have an exceptional person that's surrounded by dipshits. 1.00

00:01:47.000 They just won't. 1.00

00:01:49.000 Eventually, they'll give in to dipshittery.

00:01:52.000 It's contagious.

00:01:54.000 Negative people.

00:01:55.000 You really got me thinking, though, if that is possible. 1.00

00:01:56.000 I'm trying to think of an example.

00:01:57.000 Yeah, I probably shouldn't have said it's impossible.

00:01:59.000 It could be possible, but it's very highly unlikely.

00:02:03.000 And also, they didn't achieve their full potential if that's the case.

00:02:06.000 They would have been even better if they had been surrounded by exceptional people.

00:02:10.000 Improbable at best.

00:02:11.000 Yeah, at best.

00:02:13.000 I've never seen an example of it.

00:02:15.000 Again, maybe one exists that I don't know about, but as far as all.

00:02:18.000 All the exceptional people that I know, they all associate with other exceptional people.

00:02:23.000 You know quite a few exceptional people.

00:02:25.000 You have an interesting job that has a Venn diagram that is incredibly unique in the people you've been able to sit down with. 0.97

00:02:31.000 It's pretty fucking weird. 0.87

00:02:33.000 Did you ever think? 0.98

00:02:34.000 No.

00:02:34.000 First off, by the way, I try to point as many people as possible to JRE number one because I think it's a masterpiece.

00:02:39.000 It's a good thing to see.

00:02:41.000 Oh my God.

00:02:41.000 Because it's terrible.

00:02:42.000 I'm like, wait for the snowflakes. 1.00

00:02:44.000 And they go, what the fuck are you talking about? 0.99

00:02:47.000 They're like, what? 1.00

00:02:48.000 I'm like, just wait.

00:02:49.000 It's amazing.

00:02:50.000 I mean, could you have ever thought, though, at JRE1, where I feel like that was you on a laptop video?

00:02:56.000 Yeah, 100%.

00:02:57.000 It was, yeah, 100%.

00:02:58.000 To where you are now, where you were, like, sitting down and talking to some of the most influential people on the face of planet Earth?

00:02:58.000 Yeah.

00:03:04.000 No.

00:03:05.000 I mean, I think if I planned it out like that, it would have never worked, you know?

00:03:08.000 You would have tried too hard, maybe?

00:03:10.000 I don't know what I would have done.

00:03:12.000 I mean, I probably would have been more careful, which would have made it less fun, which would have made it less attractive.

00:03:19.000 You know, I think the two things that I've done that are really important is not pay attention to much online talk about me and just follow my interests and my instincts.

00:03:31.000 Like, I book the whole thing entirely on instinct.

00:03:35.000 I look at all the different suggestions that come in and all the different requests to be on the show, and I go, no, me, huh, where's that?

00:03:44.000 Huh.

00:03:45.000 Purely on self interest?

00:03:46.000 A hundred percent.

00:03:47.000 I think that's the way.

00:03:48.000 What do you get per day?

00:03:49.000 Like, ballpark.

00:03:51.000 People trying to get on your show.

00:03:53.000 I don't even know because I have a really good guy that filters out a lot of them.

00:03:56.000 I bet it's got to be in the hundreds.

00:03:58.000 Yeah.

00:03:59.000 No, I'm sure.

00:04:00.000 Yeah.

00:04:01.000 But he filters out a lot of them and it gets down to, you know, like what I.

00:04:06.000 He knows me really well.

00:04:07.000 And so he, you know, sends me like some physicist is working on some new thing, some quantum thing, this, that, the other thing. 0.98

00:04:15.000 Like there's a new person that's doing this and there's new research on that and then there's, you know, that kind of shit. 0.87

00:04:21.000 I think the difference between you and me is. 0.98

00:04:21.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:04:23.000 I appreciate the fact you can hold a conversation with those people.

00:04:26.000 I would be sitting there listening to them with like the scroll wheel on the back.

00:04:32.000 Do you have words that are smaller that could explain that?

00:04:35.000 Well, some of them I have to really prepare for.

00:04:37.000 Like, you know, if I have like a Brian Cox on or something like that, I'll really prepare, you know, or, you know, there's been a few people over time where I knew they were coming on like three months out.

00:04:49.000 So I've read a couple of their books, I watched a few of their lectures.

00:04:53.000 I want, you know, yeah.

00:04:54.000 But then there's other ones like I could just hang out.

00:04:57.000 Hang out with them.

00:04:58.000 Like Evan Hafer comes on. 1.00

00:05:00.000 We just shoot the shit. 1.00

00:05:01.000 Angry, small French painter. 1.00

00:05:04.000 Fucking green berets. 1.00

00:05:07.000 He's the best. 1.00

00:05:08.000 I was with him at the Montana Grand Opening, Montana Knife Company Grand Opening of their new HQ.

00:05:08.000 I love that.

00:05:13.000 We've been on the road a bit.

00:05:14.000 I think like two days ago.

00:05:16.000 He's one of my favorite people.

00:05:17.000 Absolutely.

00:05:18.000 He's so wee, but he's one of my favorite people.

00:05:20.000 He's an awesome human.

00:05:21.000 Yeah.

00:05:22.000 A very unusual human being. 1.00

00:05:23.000 And, you know, he's one of the ones that's suffering from that stupid fucking Alpha Gal bite. 1.00

00:05:28.000 He's got that tick. 1.00

00:05:30.000 He got bit by that tick that makes you allergic to red meat.

00:05:33.000 Is it all red meat or processed red meat?

00:05:35.000 It's animal meat, it's mammal meat.

00:05:38.000 That's the thing.

00:05:39.000 You can eat some fish.

00:05:41.000 Some people can eat fish.

00:05:42.000 Some people can eat chicken.

00:05:44.000 He's broken it down to only eating eggs right now.

00:05:47.000 That's how bad it is.

00:05:48.000 He's getting all of his protein from eggs, which is a great source of protein, no doubt.

00:05:53.000 That's exhaustingly boring, though.

00:05:56.000 It's crazy.

00:05:56.000 Just go to dinner with him.

00:05:57.000 The guy has to eat vegetables and eggs.

00:05:59.000 That's all he can eat.

00:06:00.000 God, I would just mock him incessantly to his face.

00:06:02.000 I know you would.

00:06:06.000 Do you guys have a larger salad?

00:06:07.000 Yeah.

00:06:08.000 I mean, I would mock him that way because I care for him so deeply.

00:06:11.000 He is truly like one of my closest friends.

00:06:14.000 He is an awesome dude.

00:06:15.000 Yeah.

00:06:15.000 And so he's been battling this for a couple years now.

00:06:18.000 So he got clear of it and he was eating meat again and he was fine and he thought it was over.

00:06:24.000 And then it came back.

00:06:25.000 It came back with a vengeance. 0.99

00:06:28.000 And it's a weird fucking disease because I've. 0.99

00:06:31.000 Let's find out. 0.99

00:06:33.000 Put this into perplexity.

00:06:35.000 What is the most, as far as the documented cases of this Alpha Gauss syndrome, when did it first start occurring in the United States?

00:06:48.000 Because I had never even heard about it until Evan.

00:06:51.000 When he told me about it, I was like, what?

00:06:53.000 You got allergic to red meat.

00:06:55.000 And how can a tick bite cause that?

00:06:57.000 I mean, Lyme disease is another one.

00:06:58.000 Like, how does it do that?

00:07:00.000 A bite from a tick just jacks up the human body.

00:07:03.000 Well, apparently, Lyme disease has existed.

00:07:05.000 There's been forms of Lyme disease throughout history, but there's real solid evidence that Lyme disease, which is named Lyme disease because of Lyme, Connecticut, is related to Plum Island, where they were doing bioweapons research on ticks. 0.95

00:07:21.000 It's a historically good idea. 0.93

00:07:22.000 And it's right there.

00:07:23.000 It's like literally right there. 0.98

00:07:25.000 And then the prevalence of Lyme disease on the East Coast is fucking outrageous. 0.99

00:07:30.000 It's outrageous how many ticks carry this fucking thing. 0.99

00:07:33.000 I know so many people that have Lyme disease. 0.99

00:07:36.000 And that's a lifelong one, too, right?

00:07:37.000 Like you're not getting off that train.

00:07:39.000 You can- You can manage the system.

00:07:40.000 You can cure it.

00:07:41.000 You can cure it.

00:07:42.000 And they've particularly cured it if they get on antibiotics very quickly.

00:07:42.000 People have cured it.

00:07:46.000 So, one of the weird things about Lyme disease is that the bite has like a little target around it.

00:07:52.000 It's weird.

00:07:53.000 It's like it almost looks like a bullseye because the infection, as it grows, there's a red circle around the bite.

00:08:00.000 But that goes away within a few days.

00:08:02.000 But if that's recognized, you bring it to a doctor that gets you on antibiotics, you can actually get off of it, depending on the severity of your case, obviously.

00:08:10.000 So here it is.

00:08:10.000 Alpha Gao syndrome appeared to have first emerged in the U.S. in the late 1980s, but was not recognized as a distinct tick related meat allergy until the early 2000s.

00:08:20.000 So in 1989, clinicians in Georgia collected about 10 cases of delayed allergic reactions to mammalian meat and linked them to prior tick bites.

00:08:31.000 But these observations were not widely recognized at the time.

00:08:34.000 Allergy was first formally identified as originating from tick bites in the U.S. by Thomas Platts Mills in the early 2000s reports note this discovery process beginning around 2002 and becoming clear by 2007.

00:08:51.000 So, in the medical literature, it's first described in 2009 when published work documented patients with delayed reactions to red meat and linked them to IgE against AlphaGal.

00:09:04.000 Interesting.

00:09:05.000 So it seems like it's in the 80s, but really started being recognized in the 2000s.

00:09:12.000 I mean, he has definitely, he's slandered down quite a bit.

00:09:15.000 I mean, he's lost, I think he lost 10 pounds.

00:09:17.000 I'm pretty sure he was wearing his wife's pants at the MKC event.

00:09:20.000 They were very tight.

00:09:21.000 Very tight, unacceptably tight.

00:09:23.000 But that could be a benefit.

00:09:24.000 If you're the same size as your wife and you have just one wardrobe, I'm here for it. 0.95

00:09:28.000 Yeah.

00:09:28.000 Yeah, it's efficiency.

00:09:28.000 That's nice.

00:09:30.000 Some of their shoes, though, are really hard to walk around in.

00:09:33.000 I mean, you got to commit.

00:09:34.000 Yeah, I would imagine.

00:09:35.000 I mean, if, yeah.

00:09:36.000 When I go places with my wife, I'm like, what are you doing?

00:09:39.000 You can't walk.

00:09:40.000 This is a crazy thing you're doing.

00:09:42.000 It's not for walking, it's for what my daughter would call the steeze, which I think means style.

00:09:47.000 I didn't know that.

00:09:48.000 I didn't know.

00:09:48.000 I'm actually not sure that I'm using it correctly.

00:09:50.000 She just teaches me words and I throw them out at random times.

00:09:53.000 But I learned a lot.

00:09:54.000 Stees means style, I think.

00:09:56.000 Yeah.

00:09:57.000 Stees.

00:09:57.000 Okay.

00:09:58.000 Did you know about that one, Jamie?

00:09:59.000 The Stees?

00:10:00.000 I probably have heard it.

00:10:01.000 I don't know.

00:10:02.000 I have never heard it until this moment.

00:10:03.000 There you go.

00:10:03.000 At least I don't believe so.

00:10:05.000 The Stees.

00:10:06.000 Feel free to use it however you want to. 1.00

00:10:08.000 Yeah, chicks wear stuff that they're so vulnerable in. 1.00

00:10:10.000 You can only take steps that are less than 24 inches wide because you've got a dress that's like clinging to your knees, which is very odd. 0.91

00:10:19.000 Like it's like tight all around here, so you've got these like short steps.

00:10:24.000 And then the bottoms of your shoes are slippery, and then your heels are elevated, and then the heel has a point to it.

00:10:30.000 Yeah.

00:10:31.000 So it gets stuck in the grass.

00:10:32.000 Just waiting to snap at the most inopportune moment. 1.00

00:10:35.000 It's the dumbest shit of all time, and they're fucking crazy expensive. 1.00

00:10:38.000 The whole thing makes no sense. 1.00

00:10:40.000 Like, what are they doing?

00:10:41.000 They're trying to look good for us, Joe.

00:10:42.000 But they look good already.

00:10:43.000 That's what they don't understand.

00:10:44.000 I think they're looking good for themselves. 1.00

00:10:46.000 I think they look good without that shit. 1.00

00:10:49.000 I would agree. 1.00

00:10:50.000 Yeah, a hot chicken flip flops, no one's going, God, I wish she was wearing some shoes that you couldn't walk around in. 1.00

00:10:55.000 She might even be more approachable if she wasn't flip flops because you'd be like, She's like, maybe more down to earth. 1.00

00:11:01.000 Maybe that's what they're going for. 1.00

00:11:03.000 They're going for not approachable. 1.00

00:11:05.000 Trying to keep the fucking. 0.99

00:11:07.000 Doesn't that defeat the overall end, like, long end around purpose? 1.00

00:11:10.000 No.

00:11:11.000 You're trying to get dudes that are, you know, willing to take a chance.

00:11:16.000 You know?

00:11:17.000 On what? 1.00

00:11:17.000 On a gal that's unapproachable. 1.00

00:11:19.000 Like, you have enough confidence in yourself that you'll step up to an unapproachable gal.

00:11:24.000 Nope, not me.

00:11:25.000 Hard pass.

00:11:28.000 Hard pass.

00:11:29.000 Too much work.

00:11:30.000 I'm willing to do some things that people think are odd, but yeah, that's a hard pass.

00:11:34.000 Yeah, I know.

00:11:35.000 But also, it's like you're in line.

00:11:37.000 There's a lot of other dudes approaching that, too.

00:11:40.000 So now, then it's like you're in an audition process.

00:11:40.000 Probably.

00:11:44.000 Fuck all of that. 1.00

00:11:46.000 All right. 1.00

00:11:47.000 Life is way too short for all of that.

00:11:48.000 It's great for people who don't have anything else to do if that's all you want to do.

00:11:54.000 Nope.

00:11:54.000 Yeah.

00:11:55.000 I'm not interested in that either.

00:11:56.000 Same. 0.99

00:11:57.000 There's way too much other exciting shit out there. 0.99

00:11:59.000 But yeah, if you and your wife wore all the same clothes, that would be an issue. 0.99

00:11:59.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:12:03.000 A good issue or bad?

00:12:04.000 I mean, if you're limited on time, we're going to go on a trip.

00:12:07.000 Let's just bring a pair of pants.

00:12:08.000 We'll switch.

00:12:09.000 I wonder what people did in the caveman days.

00:12:12.000 I don't think they were wearing much.

00:12:14.000 Right. 1.00

00:12:15.000 But you're wearing like some kind of animal skins.

00:12:17.000 It's basically a one size fits all tarp.

00:12:21.000 You throw over yourself.

00:12:21.000 Loincloth.

00:12:23.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:12:23.000 Loincloth to keep your dick from getting caught in thorns. 1.00

00:12:27.000 And then a tarp. 1.00

00:12:29.000 Yeah.

00:12:30.000 Cutting edge at the time.

00:12:31.000 I was reading this story about these guys that were exceptional marathon runners. 0.99

00:12:36.000 In Africa, and one of the things that they did is this insane fucking rites of passage where they would circumcise them with this. 0.97

00:12:46.000 I don't remember the process, but it was a particularly brutal process. 1.00

00:12:49.000 They sliced the tip of their dick off. 0.99

00:12:51.000 And then they would make them literally crawl through thorns. 1.00

00:12:56.000 Yeah.

00:12:56.000 What?

00:12:57.000 The whole idea is just like make you as hard as humanly possible.

00:13:02.000 And these guys, they were pointing to this one tribe as developing exceptional marathon runners because these guys had such high pain tolerance and such willingness to go through horrific ordeals.

00:13:17.000 Here it is.

00:13:17.000 What is it?

00:13:18.000 Initiation.

00:13:20.000 Okay. 0.99

00:13:21.000 So he says he had to crawl mostly naked through a tunnel of African stinging nettles.

00:13:26.000 Then he was beaten on the bony parts of his ankle.

00:13:29.000 Then his knuckles were squeezed together. 0.89

00:13:31.000 And then the formic acid from the stinging nettle was wiped onto his genitals. 0.65

00:13:36.000 But that was all just a warm up. 0.96

00:13:37.000 Early one morning, he was circumcised with a sharp stick.

00:13:40.000 That's what it is. 0.85

00:13:41.000 A stick.

00:13:43.000 Stick.

00:13:44.000 During this whole process, the crawling, the beatings, and the cuttings, try to say that guy's name.

00:13:48.000 No.

00:13:50.000 Kip Go.

00:13:52.000 Kip Go Guy?

00:13:53.000 Kip Gogi? 0.97

00:13:56.000 Kipgogi was obliged to be absolutely stoical, unflinching. 0.68

00:14:00.000 He could not make a sound.

00:14:02.000 Indeed, in some of the versions of the ceremony, mud is caked on the face and then mud is allowed to dry.

00:14:08.000 A crack appears in the mud.

00:14:09.000 Your cheek may twitch.

00:14:11.000 Your forehead may crinkle. 1.00

00:14:13.000 You get labeled a kebitet, a coward. 1.00

00:14:17.000 You get labeled a coward if your cheek crinkles. 0.98

00:14:23.000 And stigmatized by the whole community.

00:14:25.000 Manner says that this is enormous social pressure placed on your ability to endure pain and is actually great training for a sport like running, where pushing through pain is so fundamental to success.

00:14:36.000 Circumcision, he says, teaches kids to withstand pressure and tolerate pain.

00:14:41.000 Manner says he thinks there's a distinct advantage conferred on athletic kids who grow up in a pain embracing society as opposed to Western pain avoiding one.

00:14:51.000 Interesting.

00:14:53.000 Where is this at?

00:14:54.000 In Kenya?

00:14:55.000 Is it a Kenyan tribe? 0.97

00:14:57.000 Yeah.

00:14:59.000 I mean, I'm going to be honest with you, Joe.

00:15:01.000 If that's what they did to your people, I would run pretty goddamn fast too because I would want to get the hell out of there.

00:15:07.000 Yeah, the thing is that, but I just think, you know, you're joking, obviously, but imagine if that's the norm, if that's your baseline, you're like accustomed to that.

00:15:17.000 That's the worst thing that you go through and you have to do it completely stoic.

00:15:22.000 At a young age.

00:15:23.000 At a young age.

00:15:24.000 You would develop some insane tolerance to discomfort, which I don't know if one time is enough, though.

00:15:30.000 I mean, like what they're describing is horrendous, but true tolerance and resilience.

00:15:33.000 Inability to work through that stuff.

00:15:35.000 I don't think it's a singular event.

00:15:36.000 Right.

00:15:37.000 Not that marathon running is an easy endeavor by any stretch.

00:15:41.000 So they're continuing to do that.

00:15:42.000 I mean, I get what they're doing, that rite of passage, but holy hell.

00:15:45.000 I mean, that's pretty gnarly.

00:15:48.000 That's the thing that you will see from ex fighters and even ex military guys.

00:15:52.000 Like what they endured when they were young was so brutal that as they get older, they avoid any discomfort at all.

00:15:59.000 They get fat and they just want to drink and be lazy. 1.00

00:16:02.000 And you're like, how did you go from being that fucking beast to this slob? 1.00

00:16:08.000 And, you know, they still, in their mind, they're still a beast. 1.00

00:16:12.000 You know, because I did this and I was a world champion and, like, a big fucking belly. 1.00

00:16:16.000 Yeah, they can't see their dick when they're naked anymore. 1.00

00:16:18.000 Weird. 1.00

00:16:19.000 It's.

00:16:20.000 I don't have any stats on how common that is.

00:16:23.000 But it's because they stopped doing it.

00:16:25.000 Correct.

00:16:25.000 I mean, laziness affects everybody, right?

00:16:25.000 Right.

00:16:27.000 Everybody thinks that you come from the special operations world and you're defined by discipline for the rest of your life.

00:16:32.000 No, you're still a human being at the end of the day behind the curtain.

00:16:35.000 And, yeah, gravity wants to keep guys like that on the couch just as much as everybody else.

00:16:39.000 Yeah.

00:16:40.000 But I think you realize the utility of not allowing that to happen.

00:16:43.000 Some people do.

00:16:44.000 Some people do.

00:16:44.000 I mean, that's true of every occupation in life.

00:16:47.000 Yep.

00:16:47.000 Sure.

00:16:47.000 You know?

00:16:48.000 Maybe it's a little bit more uncommon for people to see those that came from that one of those occupations, but yeah, they're out there.

00:16:48.000 Yep.

00:16:54.000 Yeah, I think that's probably in everything in the medical world, I'm sure.

00:16:58.000 There's guys that really paid attention in college and then they're kind of half assing it as doctors.

00:17:03.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:17:05.000 Yeah, it's like the difficulty of the grind.

00:17:08.000 Sometimes you get through it. 0.94

00:17:10.000 And then you just go, I don't want to ever fucking do that again. 0.99

00:17:13.000 Like, I know guys who are former Navy SEALs will not get in a fucking ice bath. 0.99

00:17:18.000 Yeah, I'm one of those. 0.99

00:17:19.000 Hi, nice to meet you.

00:17:20.000 Why would I consensually do that?

00:17:22.000 No, no.

00:17:24.000 And I also wish that they could make a sauna that was just room temperature but had all the health benefits.

00:17:31.000 See, sauna doesn't bother me at all.

00:17:33.000 I can tolerate that one way more than exceptionally cold water.

00:17:36.000 Yeah.

00:17:37.000 I understand the health benefit.

00:17:39.000 I'm willing to pass on that particular health.

00:17:41.000 Benefit to have it's emotional for me.

00:17:43.000 I just don't want to do that anymore.

00:17:44.000 I get it.

00:17:45.000 Yeah, I get it. 1.00

00:17:46.000 But what when I get to the cold plunge, there's a bitch in me is so loud. 1.00

00:17:52.000 But when I get to the sauna, there's no bitch. 1.00

00:17:54.000 It's like, just get in. 1.00

00:17:56.000 It's like, I know it's going to suck about 20 minutes in.

00:17:58.000 It'll suck for the last five minutes. 0.98

00:18:00.000 It's really going to suck. 0.95

00:18:01.000 But the first 10 is easy. 1.00

00:18:03.000 I just high five my inner bitch at the cold plunge and turn around. 0.99

00:18:08.000 Like, why don't you take a lap in that thing? 1.00

00:18:10.000 I'm done with it.

00:18:11.000 I almost don't do it every day.

00:18:13.000 Every day, I almost don't do it.

00:18:14.000 Yeah, it's harder emotionally than it is physically.

00:18:17.000 And it's weird because after a minute, it's not that bad.

00:18:21.000 After one minute, it's like you just kind of develop like sort of a relaxation and you're cool.

00:18:27.000 Yeah.

00:18:27.000 It's fine.

00:18:28.000 Especially if you do it a lot.

00:18:30.000 But the first 10, 15 seconds, you're just like, what am I doing?

00:18:34.000 You just want to get out.

00:18:35.000 You just want to quit. 0.96

00:18:37.000 Like, get me the fuck out of this 34 degree water with ice up to my neck. 1.00

00:18:42.000 Fuck this. 1.00

00:18:43.000 This is so stupid. 1.00

00:18:44.000 I don't have to do this. 1.00

00:18:45.000 Yeah, you feel like you're having a heart attack.

00:18:47.000 But then you just chill.

00:18:49.000 And then when you get out, you're like, ah, you feel so good.

00:18:52.000 It's so worth it.

00:18:54.000 Or don't do it, just leave it empty.

00:18:58.000 Use it to store tennis balls or something other than ice cold water.

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00:19:40.000 Apparently, there's real data that it's harder for women. 1.00

00:19:43.000 It's harder for women to tolerate extreme cold weather, cold temperatures, and water, apparently.

00:19:47.000 Interesting. 0.54

00:19:48.000 Yeah, they even recommend like women's cold plunges be slightly warmer than men's.

00:19:54.000 Yeah.

00:19:54.000 Hmm.

00:19:56.000 I don't know.

00:19:57.000 Yeah, I don't know why that would be.

00:19:59.000 Something about their physiology that it might actually be detrimental to do 34 degrees.

00:19:59.000 I don't know.

00:20:05.000 See if you can find any data on that. 0.90

00:20:07.000 You know who's a great, what's her name? 0.99

00:20:09.000 Suzanne Soberg. 1.00

00:20:10.000 She's the one who created the Soberg principle.

00:20:12.000 She's one Huberman cites all the time.

00:20:16.000 But I think it is something to do.

00:20:18.000 Maybe it's less muscle mass.

00:20:20.000 You know, your body has a more difficult time heating itself up and, you know, creating a thermal barrier.

00:20:27.000 Huberman is an example of a guy that I deeply respect but struggle to understand what he's saying.

00:20:27.000 I don't know.

00:20:33.000 Here it is.

00:20:34.000 Is this Suzanne's?

00:20:35.000 Did you put this in Perplexity?

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00:20:40.000 Specific considerations for women. 1.00

00:20:42.000 Women tend to vasoconstrict faster and have larger drops in core temperature. 0.93

00:20:48.000 Aha, especially those in, I don't know what that is, luteal phase. 1.00

00:20:52.000 Yeah, their cycle.

00:20:54.000 The cycle.

00:20:56.000 When progesterone is higher, so extreme cold could be more stressful.

00:20:56.000 Oh.

00:21:00.000 Very cold plunges near ice, 35 to 45 degrees, can cause big sympathetic and cortisol spikes that may disrupt menstrual regularity and thyroid function if overused.

00:21:12.000 Oh, interesting.

00:21:14.000 Animal and limited human data suggest cold can influence reproductive hormones and cycles.

00:21:19.000 Women with heavy cramps, endometriosis, fibroids, andor on HRT contraception should be cautious.

00:21:30.000 And talk with a clinician first. 0.99

00:21:32.000 Good luck finding a fucking clinician that understands cold plunges, though. 0.99

00:21:35.000 And there's a picture of me in the lower right. 0.99

00:21:40.000 It's probably what I look like when I get my toe, and I just don't like it, man.

00:21:42.000 Don't do it.

00:21:43.000 Hydrophobic, I think, is the correct term.

00:21:45.000 You suffer enough.

00:21:47.000 You suffer enough.

00:21:49.000 So, this book, the title is Drown Proof.

00:21:52.000 And you were saying before we got started how many Navy SEALs wind up drowning, and that it's actually kind of shocking.

00:22:01.000 It would be for a community that is supposed to have their roots in a maritime environment.

00:22:05.000 I mean, the SEAL community draws its origins from the UDTs and the scouts and raiders.

00:22:11.000 And honestly, up until 9 11, it was one foot in the water and one foot on land.

00:22:16.000 Like every operation would start in the water and then you could go onto the land, but you'd probably go back into the water.

00:22:20.000 And almost all the training we did, 9 11, was based around water.

00:22:25.000 And I think, let's see, Jamie, you could look this up.

00:22:28.000 Two SEALs recently drowned on a shipboarding, a real world shipboarding.

00:22:33.000 One guy.

00:22:34.000 It seems like in the climb, he peeled off the ladder and went into the water, and somebody saw him and went in with him because of the concept of being a swim buddy, never to be seen again.

00:22:45.000 Oh, yeah.

00:22:46.000 Um, and they know what happened to them, like how I mean, it's uh, yeah, 2024 in the Arabian Sea.

00:22:54.000 Oh, so he fell off a ship.

00:22:56.000 So they were approaching a vessel.

00:22:56.000 Yeah.

00:22:58.000 I mean, there's a couple ways that you can get on a boat.

00:23:00.000 You can come from a boat and you can climb up, or you can go from a helicopter and fast rope down, or they could land, depending on how big the boat is.

00:23:06.000 So they were coming up alongside.

00:23:08.000 It's called an underway or a VBSS, visit board search and seizure is the technical military term for it.

00:23:14.000 And on the climb up the ladder, the guy fell off the ladder, and another one went in with him as his swim buddy.

00:23:22.000 If they immediately, and there was, and it maybe still is an ongoing investigation, from my understanding, They saw their head maybe one time up and then they were gone.

00:23:31.000 Their bodies were never recovered.

00:23:33.000 So that would seem to be that they were wearing negatively buoyant equipment.

00:23:37.000 So they were drugged down and they probably were not able to activate their life jackets in time, which is super unfortunate. 0.98

00:23:44.000 But the water doesn't give a shit who you are and how much of a badass you are. 0.98

00:23:48.000 I think it's one of the most gnarly environments on earth. 0.99

00:23:51.000 It really is.

00:23:52.000 Every time I go in the ocean and I swim in the ocean, there's this feeling like, I think I can make it to shore, but I might not be able to.

00:24:02.000 Like, if you jump off of a boat and you've got like a couple of hundred yards to shore, as you start swimming, you start swimming like, I'm fine, I'm fine.

00:24:11.000 Oh boy, my heart is going pretty fast here.

00:24:14.000 I'm breathing pretty heavy.

00:24:16.000 That's a long way.

00:24:17.000 I'm moving very slowly.

00:24:19.000 Yeah.

00:24:20.000 Like, what if I can't do this?

00:24:22.000 These are real positive thoughts to have mid swim here, Joe.

00:24:25.000 Yeah.

00:24:26.000 Not good.

00:24:27.000 Yeah.

00:24:28.000 It's only happened to me a few times, but my friend Greg actually had to save a woman.

00:24:32.000 He was on vacation.

00:24:33.000 He saw a woman getting caught in the tide.

00:24:35.000 And she's getting pulled out.

00:24:36.000 Oh, like a riptide? 0.88

00:24:37.000 Uh huh.

00:24:38.000 They never, those things will pull people out, never to be seen again.

00:24:41.000 Yeah.

00:24:42.000 People don't.

00:24:42.000 So I live up in northwestern Montana, and a lot of the Flathead Lake, the largest freshwater lake west in the Mississippi, is right where I live.

00:24:49.000 And Glacier National Park, tons of snowfall.

00:24:51.000 And so it's glacially fed rivers that feed into Flathead National Forest.

00:24:56.000 Or not in Flathead National Forest, the Flathead Lake.

00:24:59.000 And boating is a huge summertime activity.

00:25:02.000 And people travel from all over the world to come to Montana to see GMP, Glacier National Park.

00:25:08.000 And every year people are drowning in these rivers.

00:25:11.000 And I don't know, it's dangerous, but it can be avoided.

00:25:16.000 But it seems as if they just do not have respect for even medium moving water.

00:25:22.000 They have no exposure to it.

00:25:23.000 They're not used to being in that water.

00:25:26.000 And they don't look at it and realize, like, that'll kill me so incredibly fast.

00:25:30.000 And every year people are going into that thing and dying.

00:25:32.000 Every year. 0.98

00:25:33.000 Well, it makes sense also that it's so fucking cold. 0.95

00:25:36.000 That water is, you've got glacier. 0.97

00:25:39.000 Streams.

00:25:40.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:25:40.000 It's like Remy rescued a lady from that. 0.97

00:25:43.000 You know, Remy Warren?

00:25:44.000 Yeah.

00:25:45.000 Remy actually saw a boat that had capsized and saw like gear floating by and saw a woman that was struggling.

00:25:54.000 And I believe her partner died.

00:25:56.000 No, I'm sure her partner died.

00:25:58.000 And he jumped in, freezing cold river, and rescued her.

00:26:01.000 And he was like, there's a bunch of moments during there.

00:26:03.000 He was like, I am not going to make it.

00:26:05.000 I'm going to die trying to save this lady.

00:26:07.000 Which happens when people get close to that point. 0.99

00:26:11.000 You either going to, in your best attempt to save them, they will try to use you as a life raft, climb all over you.

00:26:16.000 And the next thing you know, two people are gone instead of one.

00:26:18.000 Right.

00:26:19.000 Yeah, the water will eat your lunch, man.

00:26:22.000 It's wild.

00:26:23.000 But you'd think we spend so much time training in the water that it wouldn't happen.

00:26:26.000 I mean, there's diving accidents, there are deaths in training.

00:26:31.000 How often does that occur, deaths in training?

00:26:34.000 Oh, probably about every five years. 0.99

00:26:37.000 And it sucks. 0.85

00:26:39.000 And what I'm about to say, people won't understand, but I also think it's essential. 0.97

00:26:44.000 I don't want it to happen, but I think it probably is essential that it does every once in a while.

00:26:51.000 Because the training has to be so difficult that you get to the brink.

00:26:54.000 You have to train people for the job that they're going to be asked to do.

00:26:58.000 And the training standards need to be a directly downstream reflection of what the career is going to be.

00:27:06.000 And I don't have the vocabulary to describe how bad I feel for the families.

00:27:11.000 And I'm not trying to minimize anybody's death, but you will lose more people in the real world execution of the job.

00:27:18.000 If you don't make training that difficult, then you will, by making it that dangerous, knowing that it's going to be that dangerous and that people will die, that will have a positive impact on people surviving the actual job itself.

00:27:30.000 That completely makes sense.

00:27:32.000 It's just the realities of life.

00:27:35.000 Yeah.

00:27:36.000 Some jobs are very unique and some jobs have very unique requirements, and you have to train for that.

00:27:40.000 Or it's going to either come from you on the front end of that or the tail end of that.

00:27:44.000 That's the balance of which one of those are you going to focus on.

00:27:47.000 Which is why the lowering of standards is so fascinating. 0.97

00:27:50.000 Fucking dangerous. 0.79

00:27:51.000 And when it's talked about like the lowering of standards to make it fair for some applicants, like there's no fair in that job. 0.99

00:28:00.000 I've never seen a bullet change trajectory because it noticed what you had between your legs and wanted to go be more fair and equitable to somebody else.

00:28:09.000 Yeah.

00:28:10.000 It doesn't matter in those moments. 0.98

00:28:12.000 Nor does the ocean give a fuck. 0.98

00:28:14.000 No. 0.99

00:28:15.000 Period.

00:28:16.000 No, I don't believe it does.

00:28:19.000 But it's so weird when we try to apply these workplace equity...

00:28:24.000 Considerations to something that's like literally I can't think of a job that requires more of you than war.

00:28:34.000 This is literal life or death and taking life.

00:28:38.000 There's no job that requires more of you.

00:28:41.000 So you would just automatically assume the standards, especially for special operations guys, have to be the most stringent possible. 1.00

00:28:50.000 You have to weed out all the bitches. 1.00

00:28:53.000 You can have any bitch in you at all. 1.00

00:28:55.000 There's got to be none, no quit, no nothing. 1.00

00:28:57.000 And that's there's only one way to do that.

00:28:59.000 It has to make a bunch of people quit.

00:29:02.000 A lot of the times, the people who are bottom lining the policy changes don't have a direct impact in the training pipeline themselves or the execution of the job, which is crazy.

00:29:09.000 Yeah.

00:29:10.000 I mean, the military is a bureaucratic system, even in the special operations world, even at like the JSOC level, people would be it never really makes the movie the amount of paperwork that you end up doing.

00:29:20.000 Like, you go on a trip and you have to collect your receipts and do your travel claim and all this other BS.

00:29:24.000 It's all just blowing up, and you know, you throw a grenade and it's a fireball the size of a 55 gallon drum of gasoline.

00:29:31.000 Yeah, and then there's two days sitting in front of a computer typing out all of your administrative stuff because of all the bureaucratic restraints that are still involved in all of that.

00:29:40.000 That doesn't seem smart.

00:29:42.000 It's just the way the military system works.

00:29:43.000 Now, is that to somehow or another mitigate potential actions that should not have been done because you have to be so documented?

00:29:54.000 Everything has to be so laid out?

00:29:56.000 I mean, there's a lot of, even like the equipment that you wear, oftentimes, well, almost all of it is going to be serialized.

00:30:02.000 So you were issued that equipment, you're responsible for it.

00:30:04.000 There's paperwork that goes for being issued that if you lose it, which does happen.

00:30:07.000 And it's not going to be career ending.

00:30:09.000 Like if.

00:30:10.000 If you went out for a week in a row and you're like, hey, I lost my night vision goggles again, I'm going to need another set of those, you might have a problem. 0.81

00:30:16.000 But shit happens and people lose gear.

00:30:18.000 But, you know, night vision, weapons, ordnance, ammunition, like a lot of that stuff is serialized. 0.97

00:30:23.000 And so it's just the bureaucratic way that even at that level, you still have to keep track of all of that stuff.

00:30:29.000 You think they should hire somebody else to do that?

00:30:31.000 They do, but oftentimes you are in small units very isolated by yourself.

00:30:36.000 And so you still have to maintain, like even in the middle of nowhere, you still have to maintain the paperwork aspect of all the stuff that you take with you.

00:30:42.000 God, that's kind of crazy.

00:30:44.000 Yeah.

00:30:45.000 That seems like an unnecessary distraction to an already very insanely difficult job.

00:30:50.000 I mean, I'm not saying we do the paperwork well.

00:30:55.000 I mean, there's a reason why the DOD has never passed an audit, but I mean.

00:30:58.000 Ever.

00:31:00.000 God, I know.

00:31:01.000 The Pentagon, like, how many years in a row has the Pentagon failed their audits?

00:31:05.000 Like, 700.

00:31:08.000 It really is kind of bonkers.

00:31:10.000 I believe the Marine Corps is the only branch of the military that has ever actually done a legitimate audit and passed.

00:31:15.000 Really?

00:31:16.000 Those guys are tightened up, man.

00:31:18.000 Those guys, God, I love Marines.

00:31:19.000 They are the best.

00:31:20.000 Shout out to the Marines.

00:31:21.000 They are the best, man.

00:31:22.000 Wow.

00:31:23.000 They're the only guys who pass the audits.

00:31:25.000 That's crazy.

00:31:26.000 Yeah.

00:31:27.000 Yeah.

00:31:28.000 The rest of us are just out there like, I think I got it with me.

00:31:32.000 But the problem with that is once you don't pass audits and there's a history of you not only not passing audits, but not being punished for not passing audits, that opens up the door.

00:31:45.000 No, the Pentagon has never passed, never passed a Full clean department wide financial audit of as of the latest audits.

00:31:54.000 Defense Department is the only one of 24 major federal agencies that has never passed a full financial audit.

00:32:00.000 Hell yeah.

00:32:03.000 So it's only been going on since 2018.

00:32:05.000 So no big deal, guys.

00:32:07.000 It's only eight years.

00:32:08.000 Yeah, that's only a few trillion dollars.

00:32:10.000 Whatever, whatever.

00:32:11.000 It's fake money anyway.

00:32:12.000 They just make it.

00:32:14.000 That's pretty crazy.

00:32:16.000 Well, the budget is interesting in the military.

00:32:18.000 So they go off a fiscal year from October 1st.

00:32:22.000 And Look at this.

00:32:23.000 Hold up.

00:32:24.000 Look at this statistic.

00:32:25.000 The Pentagon's own audit materials have pointed to a target of around 2028 financial year to finally achieve a clean department wide audit, contingent on fixing longstanding accounting and systems problems.

00:32:39.000 Imagine if the IRS calls you up and says, Andy, you didn't pass your audit.

00:32:44.000 I think I can get it in 2028.

00:32:46.000 I'm on a lower trajectory towards this target you want to be at.

00:32:50.000 You want me like this?

00:32:51.000 I'm like this.

00:32:52.000 I can get there in about Two years.

00:32:55.000 Okay.

00:32:55.000 Yeah.

00:32:56.000 That's reasonable. 0.98

00:32:57.000 Let's just take all your money between now and then.

00:32:59.000 Wow.

00:33:00.000 No, we don't need to do that. 0.96

00:33:01.000 Let's give you a bigger budget to work with.

00:33:03.000 I wonder if that answer takes into account what's going on currently in the world because I feel like we're running through some inventory that might have to be tabulated.

00:33:10.000 Seems like there's probably a lot of ordinance that's been.

00:33:14.000 A lot of it does sit around for a while, so there is an argument to expending it.

00:33:14.000 Yeah.

00:33:18.000 I am not in any way, shape, or form.

00:33:19.000 It could go bad.

00:33:20.000 It's like tomatoes.

00:33:21.000 You've got to eat it.

00:33:22.000 Not exactly like tomatoes.

00:33:26.000 I suppose a grenade is slightly tomato shaped, but a JDAM looks nothing like a tomato.

00:33:32.000 What do they do?

00:33:33.000 I mean, just I don't know if this has ever happened.

00:33:36.000 What do they do if whether it's missiles or any weapons have been sitting around too long and you.

00:33:45.000 Is there an expiration date?

00:33:46.000 There probably is.

00:33:47.000 And I mean, I've been there when we have literally burned like rifle ammunition, large stockpiles of rifle ammunition.

00:33:54.000 Really?

00:33:55.000 Yeah.

00:33:55.000 Because if it's sitting around too long, there comes the possibility that it's no longer effective.

00:34:01.000 Man, this was a while ago.

00:34:02.000 I think it was more that once we got issued it, we were expected to expend it all.

00:34:06.000 So we were not allowed to take it back to base with us.

00:34:08.000 So we were.

00:34:09.000 Oh, that's hilarious. 0.99

00:34:10.000 That's an even dumber. 1.00

00:34:10.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

00:34:12.000 You want some funny stories?

00:34:13.000 Talk to Evan sometime.

00:34:14.000 I bet you he's had this experience.

00:34:16.000 So there's a weapon called the Carl Gustav that if you shoot too many of these things, it's in the manual, it'll start separating the lining in your lungs from your body because it is just this massive projectile.

00:34:31.000 And you'll go out and do these training evolutions, and they'll say, Yeah, here we are, the Carl G. Do not stand behind this bad boy when it goes off.

00:34:39.000 So, how many can you shoot before it separates the linings of your lungs?

00:34:43.000 I believe the warning is somewhere around six.

00:34:46.000 Jesus Christ.

00:34:48.000 Oh, Joe, you'll go out to training evolutions, and there'll be five guys, and there's a pallet of ammunition, and they'll say, You're not leaving here until all these are shot.

00:34:55.000 Oh, my God.

00:34:56.000 And you're cracking off Carl G's until you have a nosebleed.

00:35:00.000 Or you'll go out there, they have like law rockets, or, you know, When I first went through his M60 ammo, they're like, Yeah, but you guys, the training's not over until you guys shoot all this.

00:35:10.000 Like, yeah, but we totally did everything we're supposed to.

00:35:12.000 I'm like, Yeah, we understand that, but just go ahead and lay down on the line and shoot these thousands of rounds of ammunition at whatever you want to because it's been issued to you.

00:35:20.000 So now you need to go expend it.

00:35:23.000 Can you show me one of those things going off, Jamie?

00:35:26.000 Carl G's.

00:35:28.000 I want to see what it looks like.

00:35:30.000 I'm trying to talk my wife into naming our next dub Carl G.

00:35:34.000 I shot a.50 caliber once and I was like, Like a Barrett?

00:35:37.000 Yeah.

00:35:37.000 I was like, How'd that feel?

00:35:38.000 Boom!

00:35:40.000 Like your whole body just goes boom!

00:35:43.000 Yeah, so this is a two man evolution here.

00:35:45.000 Look at the size of that bad boy. 1.00

00:35:47.000 Shit. 1.00

00:35:48.000 Close it, lock it. 1.00

00:35:49.000 He's checking the back glass. 1.00

00:35:51.000 This guy's like, fuck, I'm about to lose my teeth. 1.00

00:35:57.000 Here we go. 1.00

00:35:58.000 Oh, did you shoot it?

00:35:59.000 Yeah.

00:36:00.000 It's supposed to be essentially recoilless.

00:36:00.000 I didn't see it.

00:36:02.000 It doesn't feel.

00:36:03.000 Well, why didn't they show it?

00:36:04.000 They did.

00:36:05.000 Show it again?

00:36:07.000 That's the back blast right there.

00:36:08.000 Oh, yeah.

00:36:09.000 So he doesn't even move.

00:36:10.000 Yeah.

00:36:11.000 Oh, when he was pulling the trigger, that wasn't loaded.

00:36:13.000 That was a fake shot of him showing how you pull the trigger.

00:36:16.000 Oh, yeah.

00:36:17.000 Okay.

00:36:18.000 We'll see if there's more video.

00:36:20.000 I just want a better shot of it actually going off in his arms.

00:36:24.000 Let me see what it looks like.

00:36:25.000 Ready for fire?

00:36:26.000 Here we go. 0.91

00:36:27.000 Backlash area clear! 0.99

00:36:29.000 Boy, he looks fucking nervous. 0.99

00:36:30.000 Look at him breathing. 0.99

00:36:30.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:36:31.000 Firing, firing, firing! 0.99

00:36:36.000 Woo! 0.71

00:36:38.000 Oh my goodness.

00:36:39.000 Oh, yeah, air burst. 0.99

00:36:41.000 You can set these suckers.

00:36:42.000 You can twist the warhead to set a delay on the thing.

00:36:45.000 You can have it air burst, like if they're trying to play hide and seek with you on a wall.

00:36:48.000 See, this is the argument for those little robot dogs.

00:36:51.000 Because you put one on one of them little robot dogs and have that thing shoot it, and that way you don't have to lose the lining of your lungs.

00:36:57.000 I don't know if a robot dog could handle that thing.

00:36:59.000 Really?

00:37:00.000 What about one of them big robot dogs?

00:37:03.000 I don't know if the answer is just make it bigger.

00:37:05.000 Probably.

00:37:05.000 I'm sure there's a size of robot dog that can handle that.

00:37:08.000 I mean, you would imagine.

00:37:09.000 But then you would need a friendly other robot dog to reload it for him.

00:37:13.000 Right.

00:37:14.000 But that would be possible.

00:37:15.000 That would totally be possible.

00:37:16.000 Or the robot dog has like arms in the back that can do it.

00:37:21.000 Oh, that was a training round.

00:37:23.000 Nice little rifle barrel.

00:37:24.000 Oh, that's crazy.

00:37:26.000 That's cool to see.

00:37:27.000 What a great shot.

00:37:28.000 Imagine standing there taking that shot, though. 1.00

00:37:30.000 Fuck all that. 1.00

00:37:32.000 As a dude's loading around into it. 1.00

00:37:34.000 Oh, that.

00:37:35.000 Yeah.

00:37:37.000 Good Lord.

00:37:38.000 Yeah.

00:37:39.000 No, next time you're sitting down with Evan, ask him, like, hey, did you ever, at the end of Training Evolutions, ever have extra ordnance and ammunition that you had to dispose of?

00:37:49.000 That's crazy.

00:37:50.000 They just make you blow it up.

00:37:52.000 His answer will be yes, and he'll just start laughing.

00:37:52.000 Yeah.

00:37:54.000 So if you have to do it outside of shooting, how do you do it?

00:37:59.000 You can blow stuff in place.

00:38:00.000 Like, you can make a large pile of stuff and, you know, layer something at it.

00:38:04.000 Or do you have a body on fire?

00:38:06.000 You can actually light ammunition on fire.

00:38:08.000 It'll go off.

00:38:09.000 And if outside of it, what direction?

00:38:11.000 Well, outside of it being compressed in the chamber of a gun, which, you know, if you think of like an AR platform rifle, when the round is in the magazine, it gets pushed forward by the bolt and it's being held by all sides except for down the barrel.

00:38:25.000 So all of the pressure is pointed in that direction, which is what propels the bullet down the barrel.

00:38:29.000 If you remove that, it kind of just explodes in place.

00:38:31.000 I'm not saying it's safe to like stand around and like have a beer while you're watching, like from me to you.

00:38:35.000 Right.

00:38:36.000 We would be on the other side of a burn, but it sounds like popcorn.

00:38:38.000 Going off.

00:38:39.000 Oh, okay.

00:38:40.000 And then for other stuff, you can layer explosive charges on top of it and probably get all of it to go higher.

00:38:46.000 God, it seems insanely wasteful.

00:38:48.000 It seems like you should be able to say, we achieved what we needed to achieve in our training.

00:38:53.000 Here is our excess ordinance that we could use in the future.

00:38:58.000 Yeah, you just haven't spent enough time around the military.

00:39:01.000 Well, that's been explained to me about budgets that if you do not meet your budget, you get in trouble because then they can't ask for the same amount of money next year.

00:39:10.000 So I heard that every year that when I was in, and September was a fantastic month to be in the military because that's when they, because the budget year is October 1 to October 1.

00:39:19.000 So September, the bean counters really start taking a look at what they have left.

00:39:23.000 And they'd say, I was a supply rep for a short period of time, meaning I was a little cog in the wheel of supplying stuff to the guys.

00:39:31.000 They're like, you need to spend $100,000 in the next three hours on shoes.

00:39:38.000 Which, let me tell you, REI is happy to take your money.

00:39:41.000 REI.com will run that card.

00:39:43.000 And you always would hear this if we don't spend it, we're going to lose it.

00:39:47.000 But I never actually saw that tested.

00:39:49.000 I don't know if you actually would get in trouble.

00:39:52.000 They just always assumed that you would. 0.99

00:39:54.000 So you ran that sucker down to bankrupt. 0.99

00:39:57.000 And then October 1st, you're good to go. 0.99

00:39:59.000 Wow.

00:40:00.000 So here's a good question in terms of like shoes.

00:40:03.000 When your missions involve a bunch of different types of terrain, a bunch of different, like, is it, Do they favor a lighter weight shoe that's more of an all purpose shoe?

00:40:15.000 Because, like, I couldn't imagine you would be wearing like a crispy mountain boot with like high leather.

00:40:21.000 Yeah.

00:40:22.000 Well, so it depends.

00:40:23.000 It could vary.

00:40:23.000 You got to have a wardrobe, Joe.

00:40:25.000 Right.

00:40:26.000 Being good at your job is second only to looking good while doing your job.

00:40:30.000 So, we, trust me, I've sent people back to like your top and bottom aren't matching.

00:40:34.000 We're not doing this.

00:40:35.000 Go change.

00:40:36.000 Really?

00:40:36.000 Yeah.

00:40:37.000 You have to look the part.

00:40:39.000 It's equal to your professionalism and tactical ability.

00:40:42.000 Yeah.

00:40:42.000 Interesting.

00:40:43.000 Maybe perhaps I was a little bit picky on that, but I don't want to clash on the battlefield.

00:40:47.000 You need to look good. 1.00

00:40:50.000 So, like, you can't have everybody looking awesome and then, like, you look like shit. 1.00

00:40:53.000 Go change your outfit out. 0.99

00:40:54.000 Yeah, you have orange boots on, dude.

00:40:56.000 Yeah.

00:40:56.000 What are you doing?

00:40:57.000 The boots, you could, I mean, you take a Pelican case or a box, you have a tool for every job.

00:41:04.000 So, if you're going to go up in the mountains, if you're going to go, like, northeastern Afghanistan, you're going to wear a different type of shoe for sure.

00:41:10.000 If you're in Iraq in an urban environment, you're going to wear probably the lightest weight.

00:41:15.000 I forget who makes them, but the Speed Cross shoes.

00:41:19.000 And those things are, I mean, you might get two months out of those.

00:41:22.000 So you'd bring a couple pairs.

00:41:23.000 You're going to bring some footwear that if you needed to go into the water, like not swim around in the water, but pass through water.

00:41:29.000 Are those like Solomon's?

00:41:30.000 Is that what those are?

00:41:31.000 Yeah, the Solomon Speed Cross.

00:41:33.000 And the soles on those things, they don't last very long.

00:41:35.000 But again, when you get 100 grand to buy shoes for three hours, you can buy extras for people.

00:41:41.000 So you kind of have a, it's just like all the rest of the gear, you have cold weather gear, you have desert gear.

00:41:46.000 And the coldest I've ever been is actually in the desert because of the super high, high, and then the super, that swing was way colder than like in mountainous terrain.

00:41:53.000 It's like the moon.

00:41:54.000 Yeah.

00:41:55.000 But I mean, so you, when you lay out your stuff, like before every deployment you get ready to go on, you're laying your stuff out.

00:42:00.000 You probably have two tables like this with all like desert, woodland, cold weather, layering system, shoes, different load bearing equipment, different back.

00:42:12.000 And then you just lay it all out, put it into a bag, and then you're doing the best you can.

00:42:16.000 Then you're kind of just packing, you know, for what comes up in front of you.

00:42:19.000 And you're just ordering stuff from REI for real?

00:42:21.000 Sometimes, yeah.

00:42:22.000 Wow.

00:42:23.000 So, not everybody.

00:42:24.000 Not everywhere.

00:42:25.000 The conventional teams are very limited in their ability to do that.

00:42:27.000 At a JSOC level, you have a little bit more room and flexibility to source from outside vendors.

00:42:32.000 So, you would go for the best possible tool for the job?

00:42:35.000 100% of the time.

00:42:37.000 Yeah.

00:42:37.000 Instead of just get military issue.

00:42:40.000 Correct. 0.99

00:42:42.000 I got the dumbest question for you about. 0.98

00:42:45.000 Tell me more. 1.00

00:42:46.000 This is the dumbest question. 1.00

00:42:49.000 Have you heard of the story of the Kandahar giant? 1.00

00:42:55.000 Are we talking about an actual giant?

00:42:57.000 Uh huh.

00:42:59.000 No.

00:42:59.000 How did you hear the story about a canned hard giant?

00:43:02.000 There's a crazy thing called the internet.

00:43:05.000 How did you have that?

00:43:07.000 I may spend less time on the internet than you guys. 1.00

00:43:10.000 And if you have a good algorithm, and by good, I mean retarded, you get. 1.00

00:43:16.000 Oh, my. 0.99

00:43:18.000 There was a dual representation, obviously, not an actual picture.

00:43:21.000 So there was a story that.

00:43:23.000 What is the guy's name that was on Jesse Michaels' podcast recently?

00:43:27.000 Tim.

00:43:28.000 I don't remember.

00:43:28.000 I'll check it out.

00:43:30.000 So, supposedly, there was a giant that engaged U.S. troops in Kandahar, Afghanistan, and in a very remote area.

00:43:43.000 And this guy was shot and killed and medevaced out of there or helicoptered out of there.

00:43:50.000 And there, a 12 foot giant, Tim Albarino.

00:43:54.000 And he was telling this story as if he was there or he heard this.

00:43:58.000 There's never a guy who was there. 0.99

00:44:00.000 Damn it. 0.98

00:44:02.000 There's apparently one guy who has his face covered up in one of these videos that I watched. 0.99

00:44:06.000 He's like one of the blurry, like, you know, like a witness to a mob scene.

00:44:10.000 Yep.

00:44:10.000 And so his.

00:44:10.000 That's how you know they're legit.

00:44:12.000 100%.

00:44:13.000 Thank you.

00:44:14.000 I think the same way.

00:44:15.000 That's why I sent it to all my friends.

00:44:18.000 But he was telling the story from people that he talked to that were there.

00:44:21.000 See, and here's the thing I want stories like that to be true.

00:44:24.000 You need to.

00:44:25.000 I still am just waiting.

00:44:27.000 Same thing with aliens.

00:44:28.000 God, I so deeply want it to be true.

00:44:30.000 I just need somebody to hold up an Actual piece of evidence and say this is what I'm talking about instead of I saw, I know somebody who was read into, I had a buddy who got engaged by a giant or they like, okay, where is it?

00:44:47.000 Right.

00:44:47.000 And until then, I got a real hard time believing that.

00:44:50.000 Oh, I'm with you.

00:44:52.000 But I also want to believe, which I know clouds my vision.

00:44:56.000 I just think it makes you hopeful.

00:44:58.000 It gets me to a certain point, and then the point, like, there's a point where my logic kicks in and I'm not willing to go any further, and that's Bigfoot.

00:45:06.000 Yeah.

00:45:07.000 With Bigfoot, I'm like, I know too many guys that are in the woods all the time.

00:45:11.000 And let's not forget the game cameras they often leave behind.

00:45:14.000 Like millions of game cameras.

00:45:14.000 That's right.

00:45:16.000 That's right.

00:45:17.000 Come on.

00:45:17.000 At this point, like, I could have bought it in the 1960s.

00:45:20.000 Like, maybe.

00:45:21.000 Who knows?

00:45:22.000 Before drones, before satellites, before this, before that.

00:45:26.000 And, you know, there's good arguments that you wouldn't find the body because, like, you and I have hunted in the mountains many, many times.

00:45:34.000 I've never seen a mountain lion skeleton.

00:45:36.000 Have you?

00:45:38.000 No.

00:45:39.000 I don't know anybody who has.

00:45:40.000 I've seen mountain lions.

00:45:41.000 I've never seen a mountain lion skeleton.

00:45:43.000 I've never seen a bear skeleton.

00:45:44.000 I'm sure people have found them.

00:45:45.000 Yeah.

00:45:46.000 But I haven't. 0.71

00:45:47.000 And we know there's a shit ton of mountain lions and a shit ton of bears.

00:45:51.000 So if there was a very small population of primates, it's not inconceivable that you wouldn't find their body, especially if they were in some way advanced to the point where they were burying their dead, which is, you know, it's not outside the realm of possibility if they have a language.

00:46:08.000 Like, who knows what these things are?

00:46:11.000 I just, that doesn't.

00:46:11.000 But no.

00:46:13.000 I think it used to be real.

00:46:15.000 And I think there's real evidence of that.

00:46:17.000 I want it to be.

00:46:18.000 No, there's real evidence.

00:46:19.000 There's a thing called Gigantopithecus.

00:46:21.000 It was an eight foot plus tall bipedal hominid that existed in Asia.

00:46:27.000 And it's in the orangutan family.

00:46:29.000 And there's like recreations of what it looks like standing next to a human.

00:46:32.000 It's huge.

00:46:33.000 But that just makes sense.

00:46:34.000 I mean, there used to be giant woolly mammoths, there used to be giant sloths.

00:46:39.000 The idea of a giant primate is not inconceivable.

00:46:42.000 It's like size is all relative anyway.

00:46:45.000 Our idea of what's big. 0.99

00:46:46.000 Compared to a fucking giraffe or this, it's all. 0.99

00:46:49.000 It doesn't. 0.99

00:46:50.000 You know, if you have enough resources and there's enough food for these things, they live in a lush tropical environment or a lush wilderness environment, it's not impossible to think that something would get way bigger than a gorilla.

00:47:01.000 But for that thing to exist today.

00:47:05.000 Yeah, that's what it used to look like.

00:47:07.000 So I think that is probably what all these ancient myths are based on.

00:47:15.000 That's probably what used to exist.

00:47:17.000 So it was bipedal, which is also interesting.

00:47:19.000 And that's based on its jaw structure.

00:47:23.000 Here's a question for you the species burying themselves.

00:47:26.000 These are intrusive thoughts that I have and can't get out of my head.

00:47:28.000 Why don't we bury people vertically to save space?

00:47:32.000 That's a good question.

00:47:33.000 Wouldn't you get more square footage?

00:47:35.000 A lot more.

00:47:35.000 Yeah.

00:47:36.000 It'd be harder to make a six foot tall hole for a tall person.

00:47:40.000 I feel like they make oil drills that could.

00:47:41.000 I mean, I'm not saying that they do now.

00:47:43.000 Yeah.

00:47:44.000 But back in the day, it'd be easier to.

00:47:45.000 If someone's laid down, just roll them over into the hole.

00:47:48.000 I mean, I would.

00:47:49.000 But because a six foot deep hole that's like.

00:47:52.000 Joe, I'm not saying it's easy.

00:47:52.000 Six feet long.

00:47:54.000 I'm just saying.

00:47:56.000 In today's world, yeah.

00:47:57.000 I think we can evolve.

00:47:58.000 Well, here's even weirder you know, you have to embalm people before you cremate them.

00:48:06.000 Exactly.

00:48:06.000 Why?

00:48:07.000 My friend Joey Diaz says it's a racket because he knew a guy who ran a funeral home.

00:48:11.000 The big embalming market?

00:48:12.000 Well, it's all a racket.

00:48:14.000 The whole funeral home thing's a racket.

00:48:16.000 They know, look, your family member dies.

00:48:18.000 You have to bury your family member.

00:48:19.000 You're in grief. 1.00

00:48:20.000 And then they try to sell you on some fucking fancy coffin. 0.99

00:48:23.000 They sell you on this and sell you on that. 0.99

00:48:25.000 But the embalming is mandatory.

00:48:29.000 I did not know that.

00:48:30.000 At least for some places.

00:48:31.000 Because I know that some people are trying to do what they call natural burials.

00:48:36.000 I don't know what the regulations are on.

00:48:38.000 Let's find that out.

00:48:39.000 Oh, I'm already looking.

00:48:40.000 There are upright, they call it upright burials.

00:48:42.000 Oh.

00:48:43.000 They do exist.

00:48:43.000 It is a thing.

00:48:44.000 In the U.S., though, or is this some Nordic country?

00:48:46.000 There's a cemetery that does it already, and I was trying to look up more information on it.

00:48:50.000 Probably a bunch of cheapies who don't.

00:48:51.000 One thing already that I can give up this time.

00:48:52.000 I'm just thinking about, like, most of them have fences, so, like, maximum square footage utilization.

00:48:57.000 Right.

00:48:58.000 That makes sense.

00:48:59.000 Yeah.

00:48:59.000 The gravity's an issue a little bit.

00:49:01.000 Keeping it in the.

00:49:01.000 I don't know.

00:49:02.000 There's just stuff.

00:49:02.000 Gravity's an issue.

00:49:03.000 Gravity's not going to be an issue.

00:49:05.000 First off, once you're in that coffin, nothing good's happening.

00:49:07.000 Right.

00:49:07.000 Vertically or horizontally.

00:49:09.000 Oh, wow.

00:49:09.000 That doesn't make sense.

00:49:10.000 What kind of gravity.

00:49:12.000 Is he just drop them in the hole?

00:49:14.000 They, I think, they're gonna be like this like, slide it down in that hole.

00:49:18.000 I think they're saying the family doesn't like the idea that they're gonna be compressed into a small amount in the bottom of the coffin.

00:49:23.000 Sounds like a science issue, I think. 1.00

00:49:24.000 Well, they're fucking dead, you know. 1.00

00:49:27.000 You know, the most gnarly way they bury people or the most gnarly funeral. 1.00

00:49:31.000 Well, they're still alive, no?

00:49:33.000 Well, I'm saying that would be the most gnarly, right?

00:49:33.000 Well, they're dead.

00:49:36.000 The most gnarly post mortem is the Tibetan sky funeral. 1.00

00:49:39.000 Do you know how they do that? 1.00

00:49:40.000 No, vultures.

00:49:44.000 They literally break the body up, chop it up into chunks, and the vultures know it, and so they prepare.

00:49:50.000 So the vultures are all hanging around waiting.

00:49:53.000 It is a tradition in Tibet with at least certain people to get rid of their bodies that way.

00:49:59.000 And the idea is that, look, the person's dead.

00:50:01.000 This is a more natural way, and they'll cycle back into the ecosystem the way it's supposed to be with all animals.

00:50:09.000 We're the only animal that opts out of rejoining with all biological life.

00:50:18.000 Because it's supposed to be a biological body deteriorates underground that feeds the soil, that feeds whatever animals feast on its bones, and then becomes all part of this big beautiful cycle.

00:50:31.000 And we're like, we've got some chemicals laying around we'd like to fill the veins up with to make them completely poison so that they never deteriorate or they just slowly turn into gelatinous sludge.

00:50:44.000 By state, it looks like.

00:50:45.000 Okay.

00:50:46.000 So it says burial.

00:50:48.000 Burial.

00:50:49.000 Burial.

00:50:50.000 Why is that word weird to me right now?

00:50:52.000 Burial is regulated by state by state, city, county zoning.

00:50:56.000 There's no federal rule that specifies body position, horizontal versus vertical.

00:51:02.000 What are the laws in terms of embalming?

00:51:07.000 Green or natural burial, simple shroud, no vault, minimal disturbance, is legal in all 50 states, but only in locations that comply with state and local rules.

00:51:16.000 green or natural burial.

00:51:19.000 Distance from water sources would be a big reason for that.

00:51:21.000 Oh, interesting.

00:51:23.000 So, you don't want people to rot.

00:51:24.000 But what about cows?

00:51:25.000 Cows can rot.

00:51:26.000 You know, like a dead coyote just rots. 0.99

00:51:30.000 Yeah, but we don't want to eat people.

00:51:32.000 Yeah, but it's not.

00:51:33.000 We don't want to drink them either.

00:51:35.000 I guess.

00:51:36.000 Well, it didn't.

00:51:37.000 I was watching this documentary about this family where the kid, his dad was a serial killer, and the dad would throw people in a well.

00:51:46.000 And he had to help him when he was young.

00:51:49.000 His dad would kill people and then throw them down the well.

00:51:53.000 First time he did it, he said, I think he was a young boy when his dad first took him to get rid of a body and throw it down a well.

00:52:02.000 Not all bonding experiences are created equal.

00:52:05.000 How many people have died drinking well water that was polluted by a dead body?

00:52:09.000 Hopefully, not that many.

00:52:10.000 What'd you find, Jamie?

00:52:11.000 I'm just, that's disgusting.

00:52:13.000 Have you thought through your end of life?

00:52:16.000 Have you told people?

00:52:17.000 I would like to not be embalmed.

00:52:19.000 I would like to just be buried in the ground and be absorbed naturally like everything else.

00:52:23.000 Do you have that written down anywhere, though?

00:52:25.000 No.

00:52:26.000 Once I'm gone, figure it out. 0.99

00:52:28.000 I don't give a fuck. 0.99

00:52:29.000 Well, there's an argument to help figuring it out for those left behind so it makes it easier. 0.99

00:52:33.000 I don't want to make things easier when I'm gone. 0.99

00:52:36.000 I want it to be complicated as fuck. 0.98

00:52:39.000 I want them to be arguing over my will. 0.97

00:52:42.000 Well, I only asked because we had to think through this stuff because you do a review of your will every time.

00:52:48.000 And final requests, I guess it would be.

00:52:48.000 Yeah.

00:52:50.000 So you had to think through that stuff.

00:52:51.000 Jamie, stop scrolling.

00:52:53.000 So for direct cremation, no public viewing, cremation within a few days, body kept refrigerated, embalming is generally unnecessary and not legally required in most states.

00:53:04.000 But the thing is, it's most of the time it's done.

00:53:09.000 According to my friend Joey, whose friend, at least it was in the past, whose friend ran a funeral home. 0.99

00:53:15.000 The guy was telling him what a fucking scam it all is. 0.98

00:53:18.000 You're just charging people for all this stuff. 0.99

00:53:21.000 Probably, just like anything else.

00:53:22.000 Here it is.

00:53:22.000 Many funeral homes require embalming for presentation and public health reasons if you want a public viewing or an open casket before cremation.

00:53:33.000 Oh, who does that?

00:53:36.000 Some jurisdictions or airlines may require embalming for long distance or international transport.

00:53:43.000 Or if there's a long delay before commission.

00:53:45.000 Well, that makes sense. 0.99

00:53:47.000 Because if you don't embalm it, you're going to stink up the whole fucking plane. 0.98

00:53:50.000 U.S. law jet. 0.99

00:53:51.000 I mean, I'm sure you've smelled dead bodies before, but the first time I ever smelled a dead body, I was a little kid and someone died in our apartment building.

00:53:58.000 It was crazy. 0.98

00:54:00.000 You'd walk down the hallway and the fucking smell that was me and my cousins and my sister were walking down the hallway. 0.99

00:54:08.000 We were like, what is that? 0.99

00:54:10.000 We were probably like six.

00:54:12.000 It was this insane smell. 0.98

00:54:14.000 And it turned out this lady was just living by herself, died.

00:54:17.000 And so she was just rotting in this apartment building.

00:54:20.000 You think you still recognize it to this day?

00:54:23.000 It's very unique.

00:54:24.000 Is it?

00:54:25.000 Humans are a very unique smell as opposed to a regular animal?

00:54:27.000 Well, the mechanism of death can change, I guess, a little bit.

00:54:32.000 But in general, yeah, a couple days later, they all kind of smell the same.

00:54:32.000 Sure.

00:54:37.000 I've heard, yeah, I've heard humans are uniquely gross in the way we smell. 0.95

00:54:41.000 Yeah. 0.72

00:54:42.000 Yeah, it's not awesome.

00:54:44.000 Yeah.

00:54:45.000 Not awesome to be around it.

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00:56:09.000 So, this embalming thing, so is that not the case?

00:56:13.000 Like, is it where she's Funeral homes request embalming before they cremate you.

00:56:20.000 Also, here's another scam, according to my friend. 1.00

00:56:24.000 When you think you get your family member ashes, you get a bunch of shit. 0.99

00:56:31.000 You get a bunch of ashes. 1.00

00:56:32.000 You get ashes from some fucking guy you don't even know. 0.99

00:56:35.000 They just shove a bunch of ashes into an urn. 1.00

00:56:35.000 They don't care. 1.00

00:56:37.000 You're like, it's grandma.

00:56:40.000 She's here with us forever.

00:56:41.000 But it's not really.

00:56:43.000 I hope that one's not true.

00:56:44.000 That's gnarly.

00:56:46.000 It's like the epitome of laziness.

00:56:47.000 I'm pretty sure it's true.

00:56:48.000 The question as though if the requirement was coming from funeral homes instead of law, and the court says yes.

00:56:54.000 Most of the time, yes.

00:56:55.000 The requirement to embalm before viewing or before cremation is coming from funeral homes or cemetery policy.

00:57:01.000 Right.

00:57:01.000 So they're trying to make more money.

00:57:02.000 So this is what Joey was telling me about.

00:57:05.000 Yeah.

00:57:06.000 So it's not a federal requirement.

00:57:08.000 FTC says embalming may be necessary if you choose certain arrangements like a public viewing, but the necessity is based on the funeral home standards, not a blanket legal mandate.

00:57:20.000 Most people probably don't know that, so the funeral home will tell you, oh, we have to embalm them first.

00:57:25.000 And you're in a pretty susceptible and malleable mind space.

00:57:29.000 Exactly.

00:57:29.000 And they're just really used to it.

00:57:31.000 They're really used to it.

00:57:34.000 They must get so accustomed to just. 1.00

00:57:37.000 They don't give a fuck. 0.99

00:57:38.000 There's bodies there every day. 0.99

00:57:40.000 People are always dying.

00:57:42.000 It's an opportunity to make more money, which is rough.

00:57:46.000 You would like to think that humanity wouldn't be like that, but yet here we are.

00:57:50.000 Find out if, well, the other thing is like, you remember that Sam Kinnison bit?

00:57:55.000 I don't know if you ever saw it.

00:57:57.000 I know who Sam Kinnison is.

00:57:58.000 I'm not very familiar with his bits.

00:58:00.000 One of the greatest of all time. 0.98

00:58:01.000 But he had this bit about homosexual necrophiliacs who were caught spending, paying a bunch of money to be alone with the freshest male corpse. 0.59

00:58:13.000 And it was an actual true story that he read in the news.

00:58:13.000 What?

00:58:17.000 But his whole thing was like, imagine you're on the slab.

00:58:20.000 You're like, well, I'm dead now.

00:58:21.000 I'm going to be with Jesus.

00:58:23.000 And hey,.

00:58:23.000 Hey, what?

00:58:24.000 And he would be like rocking back and forth on his stomach.

00:58:26.000 What is this? 1.00

00:58:27.000 It feels like some guy's got his dick in my ass. 1.00

00:58:30.000 You mean life keeps fucking you in the ass even after you're dead? 1.00

00:58:34.000 It never ends. 1.00

00:58:35.000 It never ends.

00:58:36.000 Ow, ow.

00:58:38.000 You comedians are a unique bunch.

00:58:40.000 You know, I'm glad there's somebody out there who can weave a story like that together and have a meaningful message at the end of it. 0.98

00:58:49.000 But there have been cases of people getting hot girls that are freshly dead and fucking them and getting caught. 1.00

00:58:55.000 Yeah, because humans are horrible. 1.00

00:58:58.000 I try to tell myself that the vast majority of humans are trying to do the best that they can.

00:59:04.000 But I never forget that there are people out there who are like that.

00:59:07.000 Sure. 0.96

00:59:08.000 Yeah, there's people out there that are gross. 0.99

00:59:10.000 They're just evil. 0.83

00:59:11.000 I was reading about this guy who was an oncologist who got arrested because he was giving people chemotherapy that didn't really have cancer.

00:59:18.000 Because chemotherapy is uniquely profitable for doctors.

00:59:22.000 It's very profitable.

00:59:22.000 Yeah.

00:59:24.000 So he was telling people that they had cancer and they did not, and he was giving them chemotherapy, which I have a friend who died recently.

00:59:33.000 And he went through the first round of chemotherapy, went into remission, and the chemotherapy was so bad that when the cancer came back, he decided to just die.

00:59:43.000 That's how my mom did.

00:59:45.000 She had survived cervical cancer.

00:59:47.000 It metastasized into her lungs 10 years later, got on the chemo, which I don't know what is in that stuff, but they, you know, the The platinum treatment, whatever it may be, and had the realization that she was either going to die from cancer or she was going to die from the chemotherapy.

01:00:04.000 And she chose hospice just because the ride on the chemotherapy was so horrible that she couldn't take it anymore.

01:00:10.000 My friend said that the pain of brushing his teeth was so intense, like the sores in his mouth from the chemo.

01:00:19.000 And that once cancer went into remission and then it came back.

01:00:24.000 And by the way, this cancer came very quickly after vaccination.

01:00:27.000 It was one of those where.

01:00:30.000 You know, you can get into that all day long if you want to really get into a deep conspiracy theory that's got some real facts to it.

01:00:36.000 But there's something called SV40, and they found SV40 in some of the mRNA vaccines.

01:00:42.000 SV40 is simian virus 40, and it's a virus that was contracted that people got because they used kidney cells from monkeys in order to cultivate these vaccines.

01:00:59.000 This is like known about for a long time.

01:01:02.000 And in certain batches, they've tested positive for SV40, which is like some just legacy material that they have that they make vaccines out of.

01:01:13.000 And he was one of the lucky ones. 0.98

01:01:17.000 Sucks, man. 0.96

01:01:18.000 Yeah, he was a young dude. 0.99

01:01:19.000 You know, he was in his 40s, early 40s.

01:01:22.000 Fit, young guy. 1.00

01:01:24.000 Cancer came on like a fucking tidal wave. 1.00

01:01:26.000 Just a freight train mowed him down? 1.00

01:01:28.000 How much time did he have between diagnosis and death?

01:01:30.000 Well, I got him connected with Gary Brecca, and Gary Brecca helped him quite a bit.

01:01:37.000 And that's how he originally got through it and got over it.

01:01:42.000 He was okay again and, you know, went into remission.

01:01:46.000 He said he's feeling pretty good.

01:01:47.000 And then, Man, it wasn't more than a year and a half, two years later.

01:01:51.000 It came back with a vengeance.

01:01:54.000 And he was dead just six months later.

01:02:00.000 Does it change how you view life, your own life, when that happens close to you?

01:02:04.000 It's just shocking that healthy, fit people get something like that.

01:02:10.000 And it happens so quickly.

01:02:12.000 You know, this is, like I said, my suspicions is it's connected to the vaccine.

01:02:18.000 And don't, I don't think that everybody who got that mRNA vaccine is going to die of cancer.

01:02:24.000 I think it's a contamination issue that some of the batches had it and some of the batches didn't.

01:02:31.000 And then some people react very differently to whatever's in it.

01:02:36.000 But with him, man, it got him.

01:02:38.000 And it's not uncommon.

01:02:40.000 There's a shitload of ignored cases of what they're calling turbo cancer that people have gotten after the mRNA vaccine.

01:02:49.000 It's barely a conspiracy theory.

01:02:52.000 more likely an ignored, inconvenient fact that these pharmaceutical drug companies are trying to ignore.

01:02:59.000 Do you think they were going upstream from that, the pharmaceutical companies or people that were pushing to try to find what perhaps they thought would be the fix to the solution?

01:03:10.000 Do you think that they were doing the best that they could and just their enthusiasm outstripped their capabilities or they pushed stuff a little bit too early?

01:03:17.000 Or was it as deep of as a conspiracy that people think and that behind the scenes they're trying to reduce overall global population?

01:03:24.000 I don't go that way.

01:03:25.000 I don't go to the reduce overall global population.

01:03:27.000 But I do understand why people would think that because there are – there have been a bunch of people that are supposedly philanthropists, Bill Gates, that have talked about reducing overall population being a goal.

01:03:40.000 And that goal could be like Bill Gates is actually quoted saying that that goal could be achieved through vaccines. 0.96

01:03:45.000 Like, what the fuck does that mean? 0.85

01:03:47.000 Reducing global population through vaccines? 0.97

01:03:51.000 How?

01:03:52.000 Well, one way is the what is it, DDP or DTP vaccine?

01:03:59.000 Diphtheria something and percussus.

01:04:03.000 So they were caught in Africa.

01:04:06.000 One of the vaccines that they were using on women in Africa turned out it's tetanus, right?

01:04:15.000 Diphtheria, tetanus, and percussus had HCG in it, which is.

01:04:22.000 An endocrine disruptor. 0.98

01:04:24.000 I don't know what's the exact specific description of it, but what it's essentially doing was rendering these women infertile.

01:04:32.000 And so they were supposedly vaccinating them for tetanus and these other diseases, but really what it was doing was they were making these women infertile and they were experimenting on them. 0.89

01:04:45.000 And they were doing this in Africa. 0.78

01:04:47.000 They like to experiment in places where not a lot of people are watching and there's not a lot of infrastructure and not a lot of internet connection and they can get away with trying stuff on people. 0.72

01:05:00.000 So this concept of reducing population.

01:05:04.000 Through vaccination.

01:05:05.000 There's some real world examples of people doing that.

01:05:09.000 But, you know, why?

01:05:11.000 I don't know.

01:05:12.000 I don't think that.

01:05:13.000 I think if you find out about how much money was generated during the vaccine pandemic, during the COVID pandemic, that is the most likely scenario.

01:05:22.000 They were just trying to make an enormous amount of money.

01:05:24.000 Do you remember that you and I did the first podcast after the lockdown in LA?

01:05:30.000 Yeah.

01:05:31.000 And then I drove with my wife down to San Diego, and I don't think she had been because we got to San Diego in about 17 minutes.

01:05:40.000 There's no one on the road.

01:05:41.000 And I remember saying to her, If we come back, which we will, don't expect this.

01:05:47.000 It was like a ghost town, but we were in LA the day that it locked down.

01:05:50.000 I remember texting you, like, are we good?

01:05:54.000 You're like, yeah, YouTube says we're essential.

01:05:55.000 Let's roll.

01:05:57.000 We're essential.

01:05:59.000 That was what was crazy.

01:06:00.000 There were essential businesses that were allowed to stay open. 0.82

01:06:03.000 Restaurants weren't one of them, fucking insanely enough, but fast food places were.

01:06:08.000 So there were certain places that were essential, and media was essential. 0.93

01:06:12.000 So we were allowed to.

01:06:13.000 Although we did get ratted out, the health department came to our LA studio.

01:06:18.000 And they made us put a bag of masks on the wall when you go in, and also a note that shows all the precautions that you have to take place, like stand six feet apart.

01:06:28.000 And then people were also complaining that this table is not six feet wide, and so we weren't observing the proper social distancing.

01:06:36.000 So I said, Okay, well, why don't we just do this and you do that, and we'll do a podcast?

01:06:40.000 Oh, yeah, we're six feet right here.

01:06:41.000 Now we're six feet.

01:06:42.000 Now we're good.

01:06:44.000 And then it turns out that that was all made up. 1.00

01:06:47.000 It was all horse shit. 1.00

01:06:49.000 You know, it's the Who song. 1.00

01:06:50.000 We won't get fooled again.

01:06:52.000 I want to believe that they were trying to do the best that they can.

01:06:54.000 I don't believe that.

01:06:55.000 I said I want to believe that.

01:06:57.000 Yeah, I don't even want to believe that.

01:06:58.000 But then what do we do about it?

01:07:00.000 We never listen again.

01:07:02.000 What if they're right the next time?

01:07:04.000 I don't think they will be.

01:07:06.000 I don't think they're ever right with that kind of stuff, especially something that's not killing everybody as they said it was.

01:07:11.000 They were just gaslighting us all over television that people are dropping like flies.

01:07:16.000 And especially egregiously disgusting is gaslighting us about children dying from it. 1.00

01:07:23.000 You know, and there's a lot of really fucking shitty human beings that were posting about this on Twitter. 0.99

01:07:30.000 And I don't know if they're being paid to do it or if they're just ideologically captured, but there was a lot of people on Twitter talking about children dying from COVID. 1.00

01:07:40.000 It's a fucking dirty lie. 0.97

01:07:42.000 There was a very small amount of kids that died during the pandemic, and those kids, all of them had something wrong with them already. 1.00

01:07:52.000 All of them had comorbidities, which is like also.

01:07:56.000 A giant percentage of all the people that died, period.

01:07:59.000 It's like, what is the number?

01:08:01.000 It's like 75% of them, something like that, had four plus comorbidities.

01:08:06.000 Four comorbidities is crazy. 1.00

01:08:08.000 It's like, you're already fucked. 1.00

01:08:08.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:08:09.000 That means four things that are already killing you, you know?

01:08:13.000 Yeah.

01:08:13.000 Do you think we learned anything during that time period?

01:08:16.000 Yeah.

01:08:17.000 I think we learned that the pharmaceutical drug company has a lock on the media that is very disturbing.

01:08:24.000 Like, the media did not report at all vaccine injuries, they didn't report of it at all.

01:08:30.000 It was never discussed.

01:08:31.000 People were dropping dead.

01:08:32.000 They were ignoring it and gaslighting.

01:08:34.000 And then we also found out the amount of money that these pharmaceutical drug companies pay to these corporations, whether it's Fox or NBC or CBS or whoever it is, in advertising.

01:08:47.000 It's a huge part of their budget advertising money.

01:08:51.000 And the way Callie Means explained it to me, he goes, it's not so that people find out about the drugs, it's so that these news stations.

01:09:01.000 Don't criticize the pharmaceutical drug companies.

01:09:04.000 Well, if they control the ad inventory and then the checkbook behind that.

01:09:07.000 Exactly.

01:09:08.000 Exactly.

01:09:08.000 Yeah.

01:09:10.000 Do you ever do pharmaceutical type reads for your show?

01:09:13.000 No.

01:09:14.000 No, I say no to them. 1.00

01:09:15.000 I only say yes to dick pills. 1.00

01:09:17.000 Dick pills, I'll say yes to. 1.00

01:09:19.000 Like, get hard, stay hard. 0.99

01:09:21.000 Yeah.

01:09:22.000 I'm down with that.

01:09:23.000 Well, see, I'm not anti pharmaceutical drug company, but I am.

01:09:27.000 And the problem with corporations is they have an obligation to their shareholders to make the most amount of money possible.

01:09:33.000 And it's not the people that are making these things, the people that are making them, these doctors and engineers and scientists, all these wizards that are coming up with all these life saving medications.

01:09:43.000 Then you get the money people.

01:09:45.000 And the money people are the ones that fuck everything up.

01:09:47.000 Because the money people say, you know what, we could charge $1,000 a pill for this stuff.

01:09:52.000 You know, there's certain medications that literally cost $1,000 a pill.

01:09:57.000 You know, and they just try to make the most amount of money possible and prescribe it to the most amount of people possible. 0.98

01:10:03.000 And then you get monsters like this cancer doctor that I was telling you that was giving chemotherapy to people that don't fucking have cancer. 0.95

01:10:11.000 So, how do we break that system though? 0.98

01:10:12.000 Hammers. 0.99

01:10:13.000 Take that guy in a room. 1.00

01:10:15.000 Take that guy in a room. 0.97

01:10:16.000 Just keep him alive. 1.00

01:10:17.000 Slowly break him down with a hammer. 0.99

01:10:20.000 Start with his toes.

01:10:23.000 But I feel like it's so deeply entrenched in our political system.

01:10:28.000 As part of it as well, too.

01:10:29.000 That the money transfer.

01:10:31.000 How do you break that?

01:10:32.000 It's hard.

01:10:33.000 And detach that.

01:10:34.000 AI God.

01:10:35.000 AI God has to come alive, take over the system.

01:10:38.000 Now we're really getting into terrain I don't understand.

01:10:41.000 I know what the word AI means.

01:10:43.000 I don't know what it means.

01:10:43.000 AI God.

01:10:44.000 The one that created that Jesus meme that Trump just posted.

01:10:47.000 That's AI God.

01:10:48.000 Joe, I told you he explained it.

01:10:50.000 He was a doctor.

01:10:51.000 That's what they call him.

01:10:52.000 That's what AI God calls Jesus.

01:10:55.000 Jesus is a doctor.

01:10:56.000 The mental gymnastics involved in.

01:11:00.000 Some of these people who are so ideologically captured is shocking to me.

01:11:05.000 It's weird.

01:11:06.000 It's weird because there's no way there should be this kind of money in politics.

01:11:10.000 There's no way it'd be good for anybody if the people with all the money are controlling most of the things that happen.

01:11:15.000 It doesn't make any sense because they're all sick anyway.

01:11:18.000 They just want more.

01:11:19.000 If you're worth $200 billion and you're still trying to make more money, that's what you're trying to do with your time. 0.95

01:11:24.000 Well, you're sick. 0.99

01:11:25.000 There's something wrong with you. 0.93

01:11:27.000 What are you doing with that money?

01:11:28.000 How is it possible that you could spend all that money?

01:11:30.000 Isn't the answer for some people or the dollar figure that they're shooting for just more, though?

01:11:35.000 Always.

01:11:35.000 My friend, well, you know Brian Callan.

01:11:37.000 Brian Callan has a friend who's worth $3 billion and he feels poor because his friend is worth $80 billion.

01:11:47.000 Imagine that.

01:11:48.000 Imagine feeling insecure.

01:11:50.000 You have $3,000 million.

01:11:52.000 And you feel insecure.

01:11:54.000 You feel poor.

01:11:55.000 Yeah.

01:11:55.000 Because he's eating ramen at night.

01:11:55.000 Yeah.

01:11:57.000 Let me just tell you.

01:11:57.000 That's bothersome.

01:11:58.000 Mac and cheese and ramen out of the microwave.

01:11:58.000 Yeah.

01:12:00.000 I feel poor when I'm around Elon.

01:12:02.000 Yeah.

01:12:03.000 But jokingly.

01:12:04.000 But also, everybody on earth probably does.

01:12:06.000 Right.

01:12:06.000 But it's jokingly feel poor.

01:12:08.000 Like, I don't really feel bad for myself or insecure about the fact that he's got it.

01:12:14.000 What has he got?

01:12:15.000 He's getting close to a trillion.

01:12:16.000 He's like worth $800 billion on paper.

01:12:19.000 Yeah.

01:12:20.000 Until California taxes get a hold of them. 0.99

01:12:22.000 They'd like to suck all that dry and give it to the homeless people.

01:12:25.000 Well, they're doing good.

01:12:27.000 Their program would work if we gave them a little bit more money.

01:12:29.000 That's all they need. 0.99

01:12:30.000 They just need that wealth tax.

01:12:31.000 If they could just siphon off some money from the billionaires, that's the real problem.

01:12:35.000 They don't have enough money.

01:12:36.000 Are you glad you left? 1.00

01:12:37.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

01:12:39.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

01:12:39.000 You've been here, what? 1.00

01:12:40.000 Six years.

01:12:40.000 Six years?

01:12:41.000 Yeah, almost six years.

01:12:42.000 I've been in Montana for nine.

01:12:43.000 Nice.

01:12:44.000 I can't think of a reason that I'm going to leave.

01:12:47.000 I really can't.

01:12:47.000 Yeah.

01:12:48.000 It is amazing.

01:12:49.000 Well, Montana's got so much going on for it.

01:12:52.000 First of all, there's less people, which is relaxing.

01:12:54.000 You feel better.

01:12:56.000 1.1 million people in the state.

01:12:58.000 That's all of Austin.

01:12:59.000 That's probably a subdivision in Austin.

01:13:01.000 Well, it's Austin is a million, and then the surrounding area is another million.

01:13:06.000 We just had a net decrease in population in Montana last year. 0.98

01:13:10.000 Yeah, because all those fucking people that came over because of Yellowstone, they went through a couple of winters. 0.99

01:13:14.000 And COVID. 1.00

01:13:15.000 They're like, yeah, this sucks. 0.99

01:13:16.000 We're out. 0.73

01:13:17.000 Or that remote work job was like, hey, time to come back to the old office. 0.97

01:13:20.000 Also, you tried driving an electric car when it's fucking 30 below zero outside. 1.00

01:13:25.000 That bitch is, oh, it says you got 200 miles. 1.00

01:13:29.000 Guess what? 1.00

01:13:30.000 You got 30.

01:13:31.000 There is one cyber truck where I live.

01:13:35.000 It's not mine.

01:13:36.000 I bet it's a rich guy.

01:13:37.000 He owns a Thai food restaurant.

01:13:39.000 There you go.

01:13:40.000 Which I mean, I don't know what level of wealth associated with it.

01:13:43.000 Yeah.

01:13:43.000 Probably got some money.

01:13:44.000 Honestly, it might be money laundering.

01:13:45.000 There's what he specializes in.

01:13:46.000 It's hard to say.

01:13:48.000 Might have a nail salon or two under his umbrella as well.

01:13:50.000 They're great when it's warm out.

01:13:52.000 But the battery life significantly.

01:13:52.000 Yeah.

01:13:54.000 Do you remember?

01:13:55.000 I think it was Chicago or Detroit.

01:13:58.000 There was a few years back, there was a giant blizzard that hit, and people with electric cars, their cars died on the highway. 0.99

01:14:06.000 And they were really fucked. 0.95

01:14:07.000 I actually remember this. 0.99

01:14:07.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:14:08.000 Really fucked. 1.00

01:14:09.000 Because, look, if you have a full tank of gas and you're idling, just idling on the highway. 1.00

01:14:15.000 It'll last a pretty long time, especially if it's diesel.

01:14:17.000 No, you'll get 24 hours out of it too.

01:14:17.000 Jeez.

01:14:19.000 100%.

01:14:20.000 Yeah, so you'll survive. 0.99

01:14:22.000 If you have a fucking electric car and you get stuck on the highway and it's just bumper to bumper forever and that thing is the only thing keeping you warm, you better pray that someone lets you in their car. 0.98

01:14:32.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:14:33.000 Because you're going to die out there. 1.00

01:14:35.000 You'll freeze to death in your own fucking car. 1.00

01:14:37.000 I like the concept of them. 1.00

01:14:39.000 I drove one today.

01:14:41.000 It's a time machine.

01:14:42.000 I have a Tesla Model S. Don't you have a highly modified one, though?

01:14:47.000 Oh, yeah.

01:14:48.000 I was going to say, it might say Model S on the outside.

01:14:51.000 Well, the speed is the same as the standard one.

01:14:54.000 The speed is exactly the same because they don't do anything to the engine because it already has 1,100 horsepower.

01:14:59.000 Do they widen yours?

01:15:01.000 Yes.

01:15:02.000 The track is widened.

01:15:03.000 It's got a much more robust suspension setup, it's got carbon fiber.

01:15:08.000 Fenders is a company called Unplug Performance, and they take it and it just handles phenomenally, and the brakes are way better.

01:15:15.000 So it does that.

01:15:16.000 But the thing about it is the speed that's just insane.

01:15:20.000 Like when you merge onto a highway, it's a time machine.

01:15:23.000 You just hit the gas like, and it's no sound.

01:15:26.000 So it's, and all of a sudden you're going 90 miles an hour.

01:15:30.000 Like that.

01:15:32.000 It's nuts.

01:15:33.000 We're into different things, Joe.

01:15:34.000 I'm going to stick with my F 150.

01:15:36.000 I like those too.

01:15:36.000 I have one of those.

01:15:37.000 I have a Raptor.

01:15:39.000 I have a Hennessy Raptor.

01:15:40.000 I don't have that model.

01:15:42.000 Yeah.

01:15:43.000 So I like a Raptor, but I like one with 1,000 horsepower.

01:15:46.000 First off, who doesn't?

01:15:50.000 I just don't like the price tag associated with 1,000 horsepower one.

01:15:53.000 It's a little pricey.

01:15:54.000 But I was on the phone the other day because, you know, it's got the speakerphone thing.

01:15:54.000 Yeah.

01:15:57.000 So I'm on the phone with my friend Tommy and I'm driving. 0.99

01:16:00.000 He goes, Yo, what the fuck are you driving? 0.99

01:16:02.000 A dinosaur? 1.00

01:16:03.000 You can hear the.

01:16:05.000 Yeah.

01:16:06.000 And the supercharger whine.

01:16:08.000 It's awesome.

01:16:09.000 But I get it.

01:16:11.000 It's not for everybody, but. 1.00

01:16:12.000 If you drive one, just the ability of those things, just the insane capability, the ability to go zero to 60 in under two seconds is just nuts for a four door Synan. 0.99

01:16:25.000 You know how to drive, though. 0.99

01:16:27.000 Some people probably are better off not getting into a car that can do that.

01:16:31.000 Well, that's what's weird, right?

01:16:33.000 So, like, if you want, like, say, if you want to get a concealed carry license, you have to go to a range and you have to demonstrate that you know how to use a gun correctly.

01:16:44.000 Are you talking about here in Texas?

01:16:45.000 Because Montana is a constitutional carry state.

01:16:45.000 Yeah.

01:16:47.000 Well, it's constitutional carry here as well, but still concealed carry, you get reciprocity.

01:16:53.000 So if you have concealed carry, you get reciprocity in Florida, Nevada.

01:16:56.000 So if you get a concealed carry license in Texas, you can go to places where, you know, they're only maybe they don't even have concealed, they don't have constitutional carry, but they recognize Texas concealed carry license.

01:17:07.000 Because of the additional training per se?

01:17:10.000 Exactly.

01:17:10.000 But the point is, like, you have to show that you know how to use it.

01:17:14.000 You can go buy a Corvette.

01:17:16.000 And you don't have to show anything, which is crazy.

01:17:20.000 Well, you have to show a likelihood that you're able to pay for it.

01:17:23.000 That's it.

01:17:24.000 That's it.

01:17:24.000 Yeah.

01:17:25.000 So you can get like a Corvette ZR1, which is also 1,100 horsepower and fucking bonkers, a bonkers, fast, insanely engineered car. 0.95

01:17:34.000 You don't have to show that you know how to drive at all. 0.96

01:17:37.000 Yeah.

01:17:37.000 You just have a driver's license.

01:17:38.000 So you could drive right into the nearest telephone pole.

01:17:42.000 Sideways.

01:17:43.000 I mean, there's plenty of videos of that.

01:17:47.000 My friend Whitney sent me a video of a street takeover.

01:17:49.000 In Los Angeles this Saturday night, where they took over some street and gunshots and people just they cut off the entire street so no one can go anywhere.

01:18:00.000 People surround these cars and the cars drive around in circles, and then someone started shooting at people.

01:18:07.000 Awesome.

01:18:07.000 What a classic pairing.

01:18:09.000 Yeah, good times.

01:18:10.000 It's good to have rules.

01:18:11.000 Yeah.

01:18:11.000 Yeah, they're not doing that in Montana.

01:18:14.000 Exactly.

01:18:15.000 Exactly.

01:18:16.000 You have to have an enormous amount of people in order for things to get that chaotic with a very small percentage of humans.

01:18:23.000 Were there cops there for that, or they just didn't want to get in the mix?

01:18:26.000 They didn't show up until after.

01:18:27.000 You know, the cops showed up when, you know, people start shooting.

01:18:33.000 Yeah, that's generally when they're going to respond.

01:18:35.000 And they're getting security cameras. 0.97

01:18:37.000 But the thing is, in Los Angeles, they don't fucking put you in jail for anything. 0.95

01:18:39.000 They let you right out. 0.97

01:18:40.000 There's no cash bail.

01:18:42.000 They're letting people out for all kinds of crimes.

01:18:45.000 I was listening to a podcast where a guy was a former gang member and he was saying he's leaving Los Angeles because they're letting 70,000 people out of prison.

01:18:54.000 It's like it's going to get too dangerous.

01:18:56.000 So it was too dangerous for the gang member.

01:18:58.000 There's the answers to some tests right there.

01:19:00.000 Maybe pay attention.

01:19:02.000 Yeah.

01:19:03.000 You got to wonder what are they trying to do with California where everything seems to go in the wrong direction?

01:19:08.000 If you look at the vaccine thing, do you think they're really trying to lower population?

01:19:12.000 Is that what they're trying to do?

01:19:14.000 Kill off a percentage.

01:19:16.000 What are they trying to do with California? 0.60

01:19:18.000 Are they really trying to destroy the state?

01:19:20.000 Because if I was trying to destroy a state, that's how I would do it.

01:19:23.000 I'd let everybody out of jail. 0.89

01:19:24.000 I'd regulate the fuck out of everything so nothing could get done. 0.96

01:19:28.000 You know, you can't buy these in California. 0.55

01:19:32.000 Why?

01:19:33.000 These are Alps because they're flavored.

01:19:35.000 This is wintergreen.

01:19:37.000 Shout out to Tucker Carlson.

01:19:38.000 This is his brand.

01:19:39.000 I like these.

01:19:40.000 These are very delicious.

01:19:41.000 But by the way, I showed these to Daniel Cormier.

01:19:43.000 He goes, Where'd you get those?

01:19:45.000 And I go, in Texas, you could buy them.

01:19:47.000 He goes, you know, you can't buy them in California.

01:19:49.000 And he goes, I get them and I bring them around, all these dads.

01:19:52.000 They're like, I'm a dealer.

01:19:53.000 They're like, where'd you get that?

01:19:55.000 Because they won't let you have flavored nicotine pouches.

01:19:59.000 It's illegal in California.

01:20:01.000 It's for your safety.

01:20:01.000 They're trying to turn you into just a little baby that needs everything from the government.

01:20:08.000 Everything.

01:20:09.000 We were at that launch party.

01:20:09.000 Everything.

01:20:11.000 Somehow I got an invitation to be there.

01:20:12.000 So we go to Tennessee.

01:20:15.000 Stands on a chair and talks about Alp.

01:20:17.000 You know how stood on a chair, yeah, because it was just like it was in Dave Ramsey's barn.

01:20:20.000 And again, like I'm so far not in the social circle of this.

01:20:24.000 And so we listened, I think you should have sat on someone's shoulders, that would be even better.

01:20:28.000 He's pretty big, so you would have needed somebody who has squatted once or twice in their life.

01:20:33.000 So we listened to him talk, and they had a little like on the other room is a huge fireplace, was just this like a charcuterie table about this size.

01:20:41.000 So I'm getting some cheese, and then I turn around, I'm like, hello, Mel Gibson, and I just went and sat in the corner.

01:20:47.000 I was so uncomfortable.

01:20:49.000 In that environment.

01:20:49.000 Because Mel was there?

01:20:50.000 Mel, there was a lot of people there.

01:20:52.000 I just, you know, you sat down and talked with him.

01:20:55.000 You exist in a different orbit than I do.

01:20:57.000 I exist in an orbit of 1.1 million total people that I don't see every day.

01:21:01.000 In the state.

01:21:02.000 So, like, I interact with the people I want to.

01:21:04.000 I was not prepared to have a cheese stick and turn around and see the dude from Lethal Weapons standing there.

01:21:10.000 Like, hi, I got to get out of here.

01:21:12.000 By the way, if you talk to him, he is one of the most normal, easy to talk to movie stars you will ever meet.

01:21:19.000 He has no heirs about him.

01:21:20.000 He's very easy to talk to.

01:21:22.000 I just don't do good in social situations like that where everybody was relatively recognizable.

01:21:28.000 I just, I could sit in the corner and I hang out with my wife and we eat charcuterie.

01:21:31.000 I get it.

01:21:32.000 I don't like those things either, believe it or not.

01:21:32.000 I get it.

01:21:36.000 Well, I have been.

01:21:38.000 Do you remember the event you did at Performance Archery in San Diego?

01:21:42.000 Oh, yeah.

01:21:43.000 Yeah.

01:21:44.000 I didn't realize.

01:21:47.000 I watched you trying to make your way to the bathroom, and it took you about 30 minutes to go 20 feet.

01:21:55.000 And I don't know how you deal with that.

01:21:58.000 I mean, one, I know you well enough outside of that.

01:22:01.000 Like, you're a genuinely nice person.

01:22:02.000 You will give people the time, like, because you're appreciative, right?

01:22:05.000 Of the fact that they want to meet you.

01:22:06.000 Like, I totally get that.

01:22:07.000 But also, sometimes you have to piss.

01:22:09.000 Yeah.

01:22:10.000 I mean, I don't know how any of those people, or maybe you don't, operate in a sense, in air quotes, of normalcy.

01:22:18.000 It's not normal, but the way I think of it is like, they just like me.

01:22:25.000 It's way better than if they hated me. 1.00

01:22:27.000 Way better than if you go into the bathroom and everybody wants to kick your ass. 1.00

01:22:30.000 Like, I'm going to the bathroom, they just want to say hi. 0.99

01:22:33.000 And for them, it's a very unique moment.

01:22:36.000 So I try to reset every time I see a new person.

01:22:39.000 And I try to treat them as if it's like, this is a For them, it's a unique experience.

01:22:46.000 They get to meet and never believe that I am unique.

01:22:51.000 Don't believe the hype and don't think you are special, but always appreciate the fact that someone else does.

01:22:57.000 And so take the time to say hi and.

01:23:00.000 I can't.

01:23:01.000 The UFCs are hard because I can't.

01:23:03.000 Like, sometimes I'm going through the crowd and I have to.

01:23:06.000 Like, sometimes I'll leave my commentary seat and then I have to take a piss and then I have to run back.

01:23:12.000 And then everybody's trying to get a picture while you're, you know, like you're literally going through a crowd of people.

01:23:16.000 You're talking about in between bounces.

01:23:18.000 And so I high five people, but they're like, give me a picture.

01:23:18.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:23:21.000 And I can't.

01:23:22.000 I can't.

01:23:23.000 I can't.

01:23:24.000 I can't stop because if I stop, then they'll all swarm and I can't do that.

01:23:28.000 I have to keep moving.

01:23:29.000 So that bothers me that I have to say I can't stop.

01:23:32.000 Even when I'm leaving the venue, they're like, give me a picture.

01:23:35.000 I can't.

01:23:36.000 I have to keep moving.

01:23:37.000 I appreciate you, but I can't stop.

01:23:37.000 I'm sorry.

01:23:39.000 Because if I stop, I'll never get out of here.

01:23:41.000 I've been to one of those, and we were at UFC 300.

01:23:45.000 That was a good one.

01:23:47.000 Your seat was good.

01:23:48.000 You had a good seat.

01:23:49.000 I watched the fight from the back of a projection onto one of the things up in one of the.

01:23:54.000 Well, you didn't get tickets for me.

01:23:56.000 I'm never going to ask you for tickets. 0.97

01:23:59.000 Just fucking let me know when you want to go. 0.95

01:24:00.000 Well, no, actually, I don't want to go because I missed listening to you guys. 0.98

01:24:06.000 Talk.

01:24:07.000 I didn't realize.

01:24:09.000 So we were sitting there and like I heard Gaichi get flatlined before we saw it.

01:24:13.000 And I'm like, holy cow, you want to talk about not like the punch, but the reaction to that?

01:24:18.000 Right.

01:24:19.000 Oh my God.

01:24:20.000 But there were so many people.

01:24:20.000 Insane.

01:24:22.000 And we were there with like Jocko and Origin.

01:24:24.000 And there had some people that were down there low, but we ended up, Lee and I ended up watching from like the back.

01:24:29.000 So we got to see it, but we both said the same thing.

01:24:31.000 It's way better on the couch.

01:24:33.000 Or I want a pair of headsets like this so I can listen. 0.97

01:24:36.000 Because now, like, Let me be honest, before I started training jujitsu, I was like, you fucking stand him up right now. 0.90

01:24:43.000 Those guys are just. 0.95

01:24:44.000 Well, now, as a jujitsu black belt, aren't you embarrassed by your old self?

01:24:51.000 That guy, in that position, you don't ever get them off the cage and you never get them off the ground.

01:24:56.000 I'm with you. 0.99

01:24:57.000 I've been preaching that from the beginning of the fucking season. 1.00

01:25:00.000 I would have been the dude with the redneck guzzler, Coors Light half covered in it, like, fucking stand him up. 1.00

01:25:06.000 And now I'm like, no, no, no. 1.00

01:25:08.000 Never.

01:25:09.000 Especially when they're sweaty.

01:25:11.000 If that guy's dominating him, you stay right there. 0.90

01:25:11.000 Oh my God. 0.90

01:25:14.000 Exactly.

01:25:14.000 It's so hard to get someone to the ground, and it's so hard to hold them down if they're good.

01:25:19.000 The experience, though, from.

01:25:20.000 Not good.

01:25:20.000 I am going to say this.

01:25:21.000 Yeah.

01:25:22.000 I would rather pay for the Paramount than listen, or for the pay per view than the current Paramount experience. 0.95

01:25:27.000 Sorry, Dana, but the commercials suck.

01:25:29.000 Yeah, I'm not a fan of commercials.

01:25:31.000 That's why I like YouTube Premium.

01:25:32.000 I don't want commercials.

01:25:34.000 Yeah.

01:25:35.000 I'll pay for the pay per view.

01:25:36.000 They should offer Paramount Premium, like where you get no commercials.

01:25:40.000 Like, you should get a different experience for the industry.

01:25:43.000 There's been some streaming issues as well, too.

01:25:44.000 And I think, and I know the, yeah, it's, well, it could also be, I mean, Montana internet.

01:25:50.000 Listen, we have electricity, we have running water.

01:25:53.000 I've actually seen solar panels up in Montana.

01:25:55.000 They don't work great for nine months out of the year, but.

01:25:58.000 Do you get the Starlink?

01:25:59.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:25:59.000 That's the shit. 1.00

01:26:00.000 I was actually one of the first people to get it in Montana, and it works fantastic. 0.99

01:26:04.000 I have the little one that's like a book.

01:26:06.000 Yeah.

01:26:07.000 It's amazing. 0.96

01:26:07.000 It's fucking great. 0.96

01:26:08.000 You just take it. 0.99

01:26:09.000 I took it to Utah.

01:26:10.000 We were streaming stuff while we were in the cabins, it was awesome.

01:26:15.000 It's kind of life changing.

01:26:16.000 Oh, it's great.

01:26:17.000 And then sometimes I need to FaceTime with people.

01:26:19.000 But then other times, like, I'm going to leave that in the truck because otherwise maybe I'm just going to enjoy where I am.

01:26:23.000 That's true.

01:26:24.000 But you know, the thing about elk hunting is you're so tired by the end of the day that you're not going to sit there looking at your phone anyway.

01:26:32.000 But it's nice to be able to FaceTime home and say hi to people.

01:26:35.000 For sure.

01:26:36.000 But I do like the fact that when you're out there in the woods, it doesn't work at all.

01:26:40.000 Yeah.

01:26:42.000 Yeah, that is, God, I hate hunting sometimes, like last year.

01:26:47.000 Did you strike out last year?

01:26:48.000 Oh, no.

01:26:49.000 Even worse.

01:26:50.000 Wounded an elk.

01:26:51.000 Oh, no.

01:26:52.000 I think I texted you.

01:26:52.000 Oh, yeah, it's with a rifle, too.

01:26:54.000 Yeah.

01:26:54.000 Well, I tell people that I am the Navy SEAL sniper with the most confirmed misses.

01:26:59.000 Because I can just smash that trigger back, close your eyes, hold your breath, let it gray out a little bit, and then really just jerk it.

01:27:05.000 Oh, that's the worst feeling when you know you could have done it so much better if you just had taken a little bit more time.

01:27:11.000 It would have been hard for me to do it worse, Joe.

01:27:13.000 If I'm being honest, people are like, How could you possibly miss? 0.98

01:27:18.000 Because I'm an idiot sometimes, and I'm just, God, as I was pulling on the trigger, I was watching it just drift back towards the beginning of the guts. 0.96

01:27:27.000 And instead of just stopping, just gave a little bit more and then never saw the thing. 0.99

01:27:31.000 Looked for it for two and a half days.

01:27:33.000 Is there a worse feeling in the world than wounding an animal?

01:27:38.000 No.

01:27:39.000 And it's also like a miss like that, you have to wait a year to get another chance.

01:27:45.000 You have a whole nother year to sit about and think about that miss before you get back to hunting again.

01:27:52.000 This year, I think I might be able to go back to archery because although they call jujitsu the gentle art, I get banged up sometimes.

01:27:59.000 Oh, bro.

01:28:00.000 I was rifle hunting that year. 1.00

01:28:01.000 I was training with a 15 year old young man at the end of a day of training with some savage black belts. 1.00

01:28:09.000 Totally. 1.00

01:28:10.000 And, you know, how when you say when you first start, like, hey, you need to relax.

01:28:14.000 Well, I also found that you can relax too much.

01:28:15.000 I was laying on my side, letting him work on an armbar.

01:28:18.000 Got a hold of my arm.

01:28:19.000 I was going to work on an escape.

01:28:20.000 And as my arm was coming up over my head, I heard my shoulder cavitate.

01:28:26.000 It was like a, and of course, on my drawing arm for my bow.

01:28:29.000 And we were a couple months away from hunting season.

01:28:31.000 Felt it go, partial tear of the peck, completely black and blue.

01:28:35.000 It was the gentle art.

01:28:38.000 There's nothing gentle about jujitsu.

01:28:40.000 It's ridiculous to call it that.

01:28:40.000 Yeah.

01:28:41.000 I don't know who, what psychopath called it the gentle art.

01:28:44.000 I was, I've been hurt more times.

01:28:46.000 Everybody I know that's done jujitsu as long as I have has like either artificial discs in your back and neck.

01:28:52.000 Or has had multiple knee surgeries.

01:28:54.000 I've had three.

01:28:54.000 That's me.

01:28:56.000 Or has had torn shoulders where they had to get reconstructed or blown out elbows.

01:29:01.000 Yeah.

01:29:02.000 Do you still train?

01:29:03.000 I haven't in a while.

01:29:03.000 No.

01:29:05.000 Yeah.

01:29:05.000 I want to, though.

01:29:06.000 I did a little bit of training about a year ago with Gabe Tuttle, and I was getting back into it, but I still struggle with this one knee. 0.95

01:29:13.000 I have one knee that keeps fucking up on me, man. 0.62

01:29:15.000 For you, it would be very hard to find the appropriate training partner. 0.98

01:29:19.000 Like you're never going to a group class again and getting in there at open mat.

01:29:19.000 Yes.

01:29:23.000 People would come for your head. 1.00

01:29:24.000 Because they're assholes. 1.00

01:29:24.000 Yeah, but I always did. 1.00

01:29:26.000 That's what I always did.

01:29:27.000 I never, I always trained.

01:29:29.000 I didn't just like only train with like one guy that like stuck with all the time.

01:29:35.000 I always went to classes.

01:29:36.000 Yeah.

01:29:37.000 Because I think that's the only way to really be good.

01:29:39.000 I don't think there's a real way to train with one person that's like taking it easy on you and really achieve a high level.

01:29:49.000 I think you have to go in there with people that are going to tap you.

01:29:51.000 And you have to go in there with people that are trying to tap you, you know? 0.99

01:29:55.000 And, You know, if you're good and if you're strong, you can avoid a lot of shit. 0.99

01:30:00.000 But, you know, you get in there with some fucking 25-year-old wrestler who weighs 210 pounds and is a bit like a superhero. 0.99

01:30:08.000 It's hard. 0.99

01:30:09.000 Who moves at a speed that your joints and ligaments can't move at?

01:30:12.000 Yeah.

01:30:12.000 It's just like, I can't keep up.

01:30:14.000 You're on my back.

01:30:15.000 I can't keep up with this.

01:30:17.000 And if I do keep up, I'm going to blow something out.

01:30:19.000 Since I found it at 41, I don't think we should teach it to anybody under 30 because it deeply offends me when children come out of the children's class and they've been training like six times longer than I. I'm like, What?

01:30:32.000 Like their movement patterns were developed on the mat.

01:30:35.000 I'm like, I know.

01:30:36.000 We're using the same alphabet, but we are not putting together the same words.

01:30:39.000 Well, I knew that from striking because I knew that from kicking.

01:30:42.000 I was like, I started martial arts before my body had matured.

01:30:46.000 And my body matured becoming very flexible and very fast.

01:30:51.000 And so as I got thicker, I maintained that speed and everything.

01:30:54.000 But I was like, I don't know if you could ever get as good as I got if you didn't start when I started.

01:30:59.000 I don't know if it's possible.

01:31:01.000 And I didn't start jiu jitsu until I was 30.

01:31:03.000 And when I started doing jiu jitsu, I remember thinking, God, I wish I did this when I was a kid. 0.57

01:31:08.000 Because I see some kids where their fucking scrambles and their transitions, like built into their neurons, where they're just like, everything is so fast and so kinetic and they're just moving and flowing. 0.92

01:31:08.000 Yep. 0.92

01:31:20.000 Like, fuck. 1.00

01:31:22.000 I could have started in like 97, but the few people who were doing it were so enthusiastic, it just nauseated me. 1.00

01:31:31.000 Like, it's like veganism.

01:31:32.000 Yeah.

01:31:33.000 Like they make you want to eat meat.

01:31:35.000 I'm like, I don't know what you guys are doing.

01:31:35.000 Come roll with us.

01:31:37.000 It's very questionably gay at best from the outside. 1.00

01:31:41.000 I don't like how much you like it. 1.00

01:31:43.000 Because you like it that much, I'm out.

01:31:45.000 And then I look back, I'm like, oh.

01:31:47.000 I started in 96.

01:31:49.000 Yeah.

01:31:51.000 Not me.

01:31:53.000 I guess I took, yeah, it was 95 or 96.

01:31:56.000 It was right after UFC 2 came out on video.

01:32:01.000 So, UFC 2 was, 93 was a UFC.

01:32:04.000 I found out about UFC in like, I didn't find out about it in 93.

01:32:08.000 I found it about a year later.

01:32:10.000 And it wasn't available.

01:32:12.000 UFC 1 was not available on VHS.

01:32:14.000 I had to get UFC 2.

01:32:15.000 And I found out about it from somebody at the kickboxing gym that I was going to.

01:32:19.000 He was like, You got to see this.

01:32:20.000 And I was like, What is this?

01:32:21.000 I was like, Oh my God, they did.

01:32:23.000 Did it because there was always this thing when I was a martial artist when I was young like, what's better?

01:32:28.000 Judo, karate, and no one knew.

01:32:30.000 And then there was like the Jean Claude Van Damme Kumite movies where you meet and all the styles come together and you find out what's best.

01:32:38.000 But when I first saw UFC 2, I was like, oh my god, they did it.

01:32:42.000 And then I was like, oh my god, I don't know that.

01:32:45.000 This one guy's killing everybody.

01:32:47.000 There was a lot of people that were saying that in those single digit ones.

01:32:50.000 Oh my god.

01:32:51.000 So then what number UFC did you first commentate at?

01:32:53.000 UFC 12. 0.99

01:32:55.000 Damn, dude. 0.99

01:32:56.000 That's a pretty quick. 0.99

01:32:57.000 Well, they probably were doing less frequently as well, but that's a pretty quick flash to bang.

01:33:00.000 Yeah, it was.

01:33:00.000 Seen it on a VHS.

01:33:01.000 That was 97.

01:33:04.000 So by 97, I guess I was 30.

01:33:09.000 Yeah.

01:33:10.000 I guess I was 30, somewhere around there.

01:33:12.000 So that was the first UFC that I was already training at that time.

01:33:15.000 I was training at Carlson Gracie's with Vitor Belfort.

01:33:19.000 Vitor Belfort was there.

01:33:21.000 Marilla Bustamante was there.

01:33:24.000 It was amazing.

01:33:25.000 Just stumbled upon that place. 0.93

01:33:27.000 I actually went to Hickson's first, but I was so ignorant.

01:33:30.000 I thought Carlson Gracie, Hickson Gracie, I thought it was the same.

01:33:34.000 And Hickson was further away.

01:33:36.000 Yeah.

01:33:36.000 And Carlson's was closer.

01:33:38.000 I was like, oh, I found a closer Gracie Jiu Jitsu.

01:33:41.000 I'll go here.

01:33:42.000 And then it was also at the time where Extreme Fighting was out, which was John Peretti, who was one of the commentators for the early UFC, was now doing this.

01:33:51.000 And it was really good.

01:33:52.000 Like Mario Sperry was fighting, Igor Zinoviev.

01:33:55.000 And these guys, a lot of these guys were from Carlson Gracie's. 0.99

01:33:59.000 So I saw the Carlson Gracie, the two Bulldog logos, which is fucking dope. 0.71

01:34:03.000 And then I found out that it was on Hawthorne Street in LA, which is like really close to the comedy store. 0.96

01:34:08.000 I was like, oh, this is.

01:34:10.000 Perfect because I was living in North Hollywood.

01:34:12.000 I would just drive there.

01:34:13.000 It was much closer.

01:34:13.000 Efficiency, yeah.

01:34:14.000 It was much closer.

01:34:15.000 But I just got there at literally the perfect time because it was right before Vitor was making his UFC debut, which was UFC 12, which I commentated at.

01:34:25.000 So I was literally training at the same school as Vitor, so I knew what to expect. 0.97

01:34:29.000 I'm like, these guys don't know what the fuck this guy's doing. 0.85

01:34:32.000 Like, this is this because everybody thought he was just a jujitsu guy. 0.98

01:34:35.000 And meanwhile, he had lightning hands.

01:34:38.000 And, you know, it was a slimmer Vitor.

01:34:40.000 He was only like 200 pounds back then. 1.00

01:34:42.000 Just move like a fucking panther. 0.99

01:34:45.000 And I got to see this sport just sort of emerging where really it was becoming something completely different. 1.00

01:34:52.000 Like at first, it was just a bunch of people that didn't know anything.

01:34:55.000 And, you know, there was, or they didn't know anything about mixed martial arts.

01:34:58.000 They either know judo or they know karate.

01:35:00.000 And then there was hoist.

01:35:01.000 And hoist is just tapping everybody.

01:35:03.000 And everybody's like, oh my God, jujitsu is the way.

01:35:05.000 And then when I went to Carlson's, I was like, jujitsu is kind of the way, but look at this guy.

01:35:10.000 Like you got to take that guy to the ground.

01:35:13.000 And that guy's. 1.00

01:35:14.000 Hands are like a fucking professional boxer's. 1.00

01:35:16.000 This is crazy. 1.00

01:35:17.000 Yeah.

01:35:18.000 Jiu jitsu is awesome, it's not complete.

01:35:21.000 You can have a nice black belt and end up in an ambulance if you can't get through a striking range. 0.95

01:35:26.000 Well, not only that, there's a lot of guys that were really reliant upon the gi back then, unfortunately. 0.98

01:35:31.000 Because this is all you've got to realize this is all before Abu Dhabi, right? 0.51

01:35:34.000 So this is before Abu Dhabi Combat Club came out, which was an amazing organization that paid real money to grapplers to compete but made them compete without a gi, which was like for a lot of guys, they didn't know what to do. 0.99

01:35:49.000 They're so used to grabbing sleeves and grabbing collars and grabbing pants. 0.98

01:35:55.000 The one guy who had figured it out was my eventual instructor, Jean Jacques Machado, because Jean Jacques was born with essentially one hand.

01:36:03.000 His left hand is just a thumb.

01:36:05.000 He just has a thumb.

01:36:06.000 He had a birth defect.

01:36:08.000 And because of that, his game was all over hooks and under hooks and gable grips, which was he wasn't relying on collars and all this other stuff.

01:36:16.000 So his game was very different.

01:36:18.000 He just dominated in Abu Dhabi.

01:36:20.000 And that opened up the door to Eddie Bravo.

01:36:23.000 So Eddie Bravo, he learned a lot of his techniques from Jean Jacques as well. 0.81

01:36:27.000 And a lot of his style was based around Jun Chok's principles, which is don't rely on the gi because you don't always have the gi.

01:36:34.000 It's a good tool to use if you have it.

01:36:36.000 If you're fighting a guy who's got a winter coat on, it's awesome.

01:36:39.000 Like the last thing you want to do is fight a judo guy if you're wearing a winter coat.

01:36:43.000 So, not optimal for how your head's going to feel when it hits the concrete. 0.97

01:36:47.000 Yeah, and you ain't going to be able to do shit to stop that. 0.96

01:36:52.000 I asked you early on. 0.94

01:36:53.000 I think we had linked up when I was, it was actually right at the beginning of COVID.

01:36:56.000 I was a white belt and I asked you how you train and manage grip stuff.

01:37:00.000 And you gave me a piece of advice that I still have, I still utilize.

01:37:03.000 And you said, whether you have a gi on or don't have a gi on, just focus on taking no gi grips. 1.00

01:37:08.000 I was like, son of a bitch. 0.99

01:37:09.000 Yeah, that's what I always did. 1.00

01:37:11.000 The only gi technique that I really love is the clock choke. 0.98

01:37:11.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:37:15.000 You know, when you get a deep grip on the collar and you funnel that left arm underneath and spin, oh my God, that's instant death.

01:37:26.000 That clock choke is so nasty.

01:37:27.000 I prefer the cross collar.

01:37:28.000 That's great too.

01:37:29.000 It's available for more areas.

01:37:30.000 Oh, for sure. 0.91

01:37:31.000 Just pop that head right off. 1.00

01:37:33.000 Cross collar is nasty.

01:37:34.000 There's a lot of great, great gi techniques that are super effective if someone's wearing clothes.

01:37:41.000 I mean, you'd be amazed at how durable t shirts are. 0.96

01:37:47.000 You know, you could really choke the fuck out of someone with a t shirt on.

01:37:50.000 Henner has a video where he'll get the first hand in. 0.97

01:37:53.000 He's got him in closed guard.

01:37:54.000 He reaches over and he grabs the bottom of the shirt, pulls it all the way up, and then wraps that around his head.

01:38:00.000 Oh, yeah.

01:38:01.000 It's got to feel like a garage wipe.

01:38:02.000 Yeah.

01:38:03.000 Horrible.

01:38:04.000 Horrible.

01:38:04.000 Yeah.

01:38:05.000 And especially if they're wearing like a strong shirt, like a flannel shirt or something like that, something you can really grab.

01:38:12.000 Yeah.

01:38:13.000 But that was John Jacques' style.

01:38:16.000 His style was use no gi grips, even with the gi.

01:38:20.000 Yeah.

01:38:20.000 So, for me, it made me concentrate more on defense because you couldn't pull out of things as easily.

01:38:26.000 But I never felt lost going into Nogi.

01:38:29.000 So, I would go back and forth all the time.

01:38:30.000 So, you know, I got my black belt from Eddie first, but I got my black belt from Jean Jacques right after that because I was training at both places.

01:38:37.000 That was also a beautiful thing about.

01:38:40.000 Eddie being Jean Jacques' student and them having a very close relationship, it never felt like you were a traitor that you left schools because I never really left schools.

01:38:48.000 I trained at both places.

01:38:50.000 I always trained at Jean Jacques' and I always trained at Eddie's. 0.99

01:38:53.000 You weren't a crianche? 1.00

01:38:54.000 Yeah.

01:38:55.000 Is that what they call it?

01:38:56.000 Yeah, I think so.

01:38:56.000 Yeah.

01:38:57.000 So that was very nice that they had that amazing relationship where there was no static at all.

01:39:03.000 It was like I would go to see Jean Jacques.

01:39:05.000 I'd go train there a couple days a week.

01:39:06.000 I'd train at Eddie's a couple days a week.

01:39:08.000 It was awesome.

01:39:09.000 Yeah, if I had a time machine and if my younger self would listen to me, which I don't think I would.

01:39:14.000 I would say two things.

01:39:14.000 One, buy Bitcoin, obviously.

01:39:16.000 And two, maybe get into GSU a little bit earlier.

01:39:20.000 But I think what you did was pretty impressive because you got through it very quickly.

01:39:20.000 Yeah.

01:39:26.000 Like, I remember you first started training and you got a black belt in like what, four years, five years?

01:39:32.000 Five and a half.

01:39:33.000 That's amazing.

01:39:34.000 That's quick.

01:39:35.000 Well, I think it depends on how you view the time.

01:39:38.000 So I think the standard 10 year window is usually somebody trains about an hour a day or two hours a day, twice a week.

01:39:46.000 I had the ability where I was living, I could train.

01:39:49.000 10 times a week for as long as I want to, right?

01:39:51.000 So the math's still maths at the end of the day.

01:39:53.000 Right, but that's still very hard on the body at 40 years old.

01:39:57.000 It's very hard on the body.

01:39:58.000 Vitamin I, also known as ibuprofen, comes into the training model. 1.00

01:40:02.000 That shit's terrible for you. 0.99

01:40:03.000 Yeah, but it makes you feel better. 1.00

01:40:05.000 It's so bad for you, though.

01:40:07.000 So bad for your gut.

01:40:08.000 I will say this one thing about my previous job is it teaches you how to learn, it rewards your ability to be coachable.

01:40:16.000 And people ask me, you know, how are you?

01:40:19.000 How can you be a good student?

01:40:20.000 Just in general, I'm like, listen, how about this?

01:40:23.000 Do what your instructor says and nothing more.

01:40:25.000 Right.

01:40:26.000 If they say, put your hand here, and you ask them, do you mean always put it there?

01:40:29.000 And they say, yes, just put your hand there.

01:40:31.000 Yeah.

01:40:32.000 If you want to, and the internet's an amazing thing, right?

01:40:35.000 And there's a bunch of ability to go out and look for techniques and stuff.

01:40:38.000 But I can't think of anything more disrespectful to a coach to be told something and then you are offering them something that you saw on Instagram while they're trying to teach you.

01:40:45.000 Like, that's how that relationship is going to end up breaking.

01:40:48.000 If you really want to accelerate your learning, Focus and honor your coach actually.

01:40:52.000 Focus on what they are trying to tell you to do.

01:40:55.000 Do only that and no more until you have that mastered, and then you can move on top of that.

01:40:59.000 Absolutely.

01:41:00.000 That's great advice.

01:41:01.000 Yeah, you have to just listen.

01:41:03.000 You have to listen and never question.

01:41:05.000 And then, unless you have a bad coach, then just get a good coach.

01:41:09.000 That's the solution to that.

01:41:10.000 Which in this era, you have choices.

01:41:13.000 The era that you were starting in, there weren't as many choices.

01:41:15.000 Right.

01:41:16.000 Yeah.

01:41:16.000 Well, I realized that when I went to Jean Jacques' place that there's levels in teaching.

01:41:21.000 And, you know, obviously Hickson's school was very high level and Carlson's was too, but Carlson's went under pretty quickly.

01:41:28.000 They weren't around that long.

01:41:30.000 But then when I went to Jean Jacques, I was like, okay, this is a completely different level.

01:41:34.000 Jean Jacques is so detail oriented.

01:41:37.000 I was also very lucky that I started doing Taekwondo when I was a child so that I always listened.

01:41:45.000 And the traditional martial arts environment, there's no room for questioning.

01:41:51.000 They don't allow any questions.

01:41:52.000 And I was also very lucky that the school that I started at was one of the best schools in the world.

01:41:56.000 I just got lucky.

01:41:58.000 This Jehon Taekwondo, Jehon Kim Taekwondo Institute in Boston just happened to have multiple national champions, like really elite competitors.

01:42:08.000 And so I never questioned.

01:42:11.000 I always did, and I never did anything half-assed.

01:42:14.000 I always did it exactly.

01:42:15.000 That's how you develop the right technique.

01:42:17.000 Yeah.

01:42:18.000 You have to.

01:42:19.000 Well, that's how you accelerate learning, too.

01:42:20.000 I mean, because again, people ask me about my old job, like, well, how do you guys do all this stuff that you do?

01:42:26.000 Well, you learn it a piece at a time.

01:42:28.000 And honestly, it's the mastery of fundamentals.

01:42:30.000 Even at that, it. 0.92

01:42:32.000 I think what I determined the most when my coach gave me my black belt was that I don't know a goddamn thing about jiu jitsu and I can't keep up with all the flashy, sporty stuff.

01:42:42.000 But the better fundamentals get, the better you can tolerate a lot of that stuff.

01:42:45.000 It's just the mastery of the fundamentals is just so essential.

01:42:49.000 Well, some of the elite guys of all time never did any of the flashy stuff, like Hickson.

01:42:53.000 Hickson was just the fundamentals honed to a razor sharp edge.

01:42:59.000 You don't see Hickson doing some stuff, you're like, oh, I've never seen that before.

01:43:03.000 It's all triangles, arm bars, renegade choke, and just done.

01:43:07.000 To perfection. 1.00

01:43:08.000 Done in a way that black belts can't stop it. 1.00

01:43:11.000 No, I've heard stories of him lining black belts up, telling them what he is going to catch them with. 1.00

01:43:17.000 Yep. 0.97

01:43:18.000 And then having like 10 of them watch him catch everybody before them with the same thing and them having absolutely no ability to stop it.

01:43:24.000 Yep.

01:43:25.000 That's what I'm talking about.

01:43:26.000 Well, that's Gordon Ryan, too.

01:43:26.000 Yeah.

01:43:28.000 Gordon Ryan, one of the things that Gordon did, I was there when he did it.

01:43:32.000 One of the times he did it, he did it multiple times.

01:43:34.000 He would write down on a piece of paper how he was going to submit his opponent.

01:43:39.000 and sealed in an envelope, and before the match started, he would walk over to the commentator's and say, Open this when it's over.

01:43:45.000 And then, you know, you would see him catch somebody in a triangle, and then he would open up the envelope and it showed a triangle.

01:43:52.000 And he had multiple opportunities to catch someone in different things.

01:43:55.000 He's like, no, no, no.

01:43:57.000 See, I could do that too, but it would be what I'm going to get caught with.

01:44:00.000 Here's the most likely thing that I'm going to mess up and get caught with.

01:44:04.000 Well, that's the thing about starting when you're 40 versus starting when you're 12 or whatever it is.

01:44:09.000 It's like you're only going to be able to get to a certain height, you know?

01:44:14.000 Well, also, I recognize that I'm an aggressive hobbyist.

01:44:17.000 I have competed twice only because my wife was coaching at tournaments.

01:44:21.000 I was like, well, I'll go spend time with you.

01:44:23.000 So here we are.

01:44:24.000 I think once when I was a white belt and once when I was a purple belt.

01:44:27.000 I don't care about the competition.

01:44:27.000 Like, that's it.

01:44:29.000 Shockingly enough, I'm not looking to have a violent confrontation with anyone ever.

01:44:34.000 Totally, totally have filled my cup up with that one.

01:44:37.000 Probably has spilled over a little bit from time to time.

01:44:39.000 Like, I just do it because I really like the community.

01:44:42.000 I like the fact you can't master it.

01:44:44.000 So you can keep your brain young with your body young or young as young as possible.

01:44:48.000 And yeah, it's just fun.

01:44:50.000 It's really fun.

01:44:51.000 It's so addictive, which is to me was the problem with injuries, I would always find I'd go, I'll work around it.

01:44:59.000 And I'd just go in with injuries. 0.91

01:45:00.000 And then they get aggravated to the point where, you know, I remember one time my fingers were getting numb because my neck was so fucked up that my fingers were numb. 0.88

01:45:10.000 And then I'm like, okay, I got to do something. 0.98

01:45:12.000 Was this from you, head and arm choking people?

01:45:14.000 It was a lot of that.

01:45:15.000 Yep.

01:45:15.000 I remember you telling me your affinities.

01:45:17.000 You're like, you've really got to just drive your head around.

01:45:19.000 You've got to use your neck. 0.99

01:45:20.000 And also, not tapping, not tapping to certain neck cranks and different things that fuck your neck up. 0.92

01:45:26.000 Neck cranks are very real. 0.85

01:45:28.000 Yeah.

01:45:29.000 I also didn't work my neck enough back then.

01:45:31.000 I didn't have an iron neck, that machine.

01:45:34.000 Do you still use that thing?

01:45:35.000 Oh, yeah. 0.97

01:45:36.000 I fucking love that, though. 0.96

01:45:37.000 Is it forward and back and turn or all those things? 0.98

01:45:39.000 Yeah.

01:45:39.000 So it's a halo.

01:45:40.000 You sit on your chest, you pump it up like the Reebok pump, and then the chin strap, you tighten that bitch down, and you can adjust the tension that's required to spin it, and it has this giant bungee cord on it. 0.93

01:45:52.000 And so the bungee cord is like 50 pounds of resistance. 0.97

01:45:54.000 So you back up with the bungee cord till it's like fully taut.

01:45:57.000 And then you go like this.

01:46:02.000 I swear by that thing. 1.00

01:46:04.000 It keeps your neck strong as fuck. 1.00

01:46:04.000 All right. 1.00

01:46:06.000 And I don't have any neck problems anymore. 0.99

01:46:07.000 And I had a lot of fucking neck problems. 0.93

01:46:10.000 So the thing that saved me, though, was Regenikine, which is like this PRP, platelet rich plasma to the next level. 0.98

01:46:18.000 This treatment that a lot of guys were having to go to Germany to get.

01:46:23.000 In the early days, they would go.

01:46:24.000 I remember Kobe Bryant went to Germany.

01:46:27.000 I think Peyton Manning went.

01:46:28.000 A bunch of guys had to go to Germany to get this treatment.

01:46:32.000 And it's like they take your blood and through some process, I forget exactly how they do it, it makes this fluid that is like this radically inflammation fighting fluid.

01:46:45.000 And they injected it into my neck and it cured my bulging discs.

01:46:50.000 And all my numbness went away and I got to start training again.

01:46:53.000 Once I got back. 0.98

01:46:53.000 But again, I didn't have a fucking iron neck back then. 0.98

01:46:56.000 If I had that machine back then, I think I could have avoided a lot of the problems. 0.98

01:47:01.000 Yeah.

01:47:01.000 Like a lot of the problems that people have with lower backs, I firmly believe it's a lack of building tissue and strength and mobility around your lower back.

01:47:11.000 Yeah.

01:47:12.000 And I do a lot of lower back exercises too.

01:47:15.000 I do a lot of rotation exercises and a lot of like reverse hypers, like that machine.

01:47:20.000 That machine's awesome.

01:47:21.000 Oh, that's, I did that today. 0.99

01:47:23.000 That fucking keeps your back so strong and healthy and it decompresses at the same time that it strengthens. 0.99

01:47:30.000 And, you know, so many guys just go into the class. 0.99

01:47:32.000 They just, that's their workout.

01:47:34.000 Their only workout is training.

01:47:35.000 And those guys are always hurt, they're always getting hurt.

01:47:38.000 I think strength training and mobility training is essential if you want to have longevity in jujitsu.

01:47:44.000 I really think that.

01:47:45.000 I would agree.

01:47:46.000 Yeah, for the first couple years, it was a workout in and of itself, and I finally have started.

01:47:46.000 Yeah.

01:47:50.000 I think I'm done with barbells just because I've never seen a linear object equally loaded in real life outside of a gym.

01:47:58.000 There's some things with barbells, though, like Olympic style stuff, like cleans.

01:48:02.000 I can get all these kettlebells, though, too.

01:48:05.000 Zurchers, though.

01:48:05.000 You can.

01:48:06.000 Zurchers are only available with a barbell.

01:48:09.000 I think Zurchers are very, very important.

01:48:12.000 I think that's a big one.

01:48:15.000 I'm willing to share.

01:48:16.000 Jefferson squats.

01:48:18.000 There's a bunch of different things, but zurchers in particular are really good for grappling.

01:48:22.000 Yeah.

01:48:23.000 You know, because you've got that barbell that you're holding inside the crook of your elbow.

01:48:27.000 Couldn't you use a sandbag?

01:48:28.000 You could.

01:48:29.000 You definitely could.

01:48:29.000 Yeah.

01:48:31.000 Yeah.

01:48:32.000 I love goblet squats.

01:48:34.000 Yeah.

01:48:34.000 Goblet squats are phenomenal for that.

01:48:36.000 Yeah, they'll tear you up for sure.

01:48:37.000 Especially on a slant board.

01:48:39.000 You know, when you're holding like a 90 pound kettlebell and you're doing those deep squats where it's knees over toes on a slant board.

01:48:46.000 Your whole core is just so activated when you're.

01:48:50.000 I think that's phenomenal for just strength and stability.

01:48:55.000 But I agree.

01:48:56.000 I think kettlebells are the best.

01:48:57.000 I think it's the best also because there are so many different things you can do with them in terms of there's rotational exercises I do where I like pick it down on this side and I swing and clean it and I press it on that side and let it swing down.

01:49:11.000 And I do those things where you lie on your back with your butt, with your legs up in the air, and you do those twists where you take the kettlebell and put it each side.

01:49:22.000 You can absolutely demolish yourself with a single kettlebell.

01:49:25.000 Yeah.

01:49:25.000 Which is kind of awesome, especially like where I live too, traveling with the truck.

01:49:29.000 Okay.

01:49:29.000 Yep.

01:49:30.000 Put one of these bad boys in there.

01:49:31.000 100%.

01:49:32.000 All the excuses are gone.

01:49:33.000 I had a bowling bag that I would carry a 50 pound kettlebell with me on the road.

01:49:36.000 I just put it in a bowling bag because it fits in a bowling ball bag.

01:49:40.000 All right.

01:49:40.000 People are going to look at you a little awkwardly, but I'm here for it.

01:49:43.000 But if you have a 50 pound weight limit, if you check in luggage, like there you go.

01:49:51.000 Whatever works for you.

01:49:52.000 Yeah.

01:49:53.000 I appreciate the enthusiasm for working out on the road.

01:49:56.000 Well, back then, the thing was you'd never find them in a gym.

01:50:00.000 And now they're in most gym stations.

01:50:01.000 It's tough not to find them now in a gym, yeah.

01:50:03.000 Hotel Gyms is like, why do you have a 1.5 kilo kettlebell?

01:50:08.000 Like, is this for children? 1.00

01:50:09.000 Like, what the fuck? 1.00

01:50:10.000 The little micro ones? 0.99

01:50:11.000 Like, some people like to pretend they're working out.

01:50:14.000 Sometimes that's me.

01:50:16.000 Just go through the motions.

01:50:17.000 Yeah.

01:50:18.000 They're good for wrists, too, wrist curls.

01:50:20.000 You know, you take a kettlebell and you like reverse it, or you have it this way and you do these.

01:50:26.000 Like, put your forearms on a bench.

01:50:28.000 Oh, yeah.

01:50:29.000 And you hold the handle in your hands and you just let your wrist curls, like, because it puts you in this like weird angle.

01:50:34.000 It really strengthens your forearms and your wrists.

01:50:37.000 There's so many things you could do with those things. 0.95

01:50:40.000 Things that aren't sexy, like Turkish get ups, are phenomenal for you.

01:50:44.000 So good for stability and core and just overall body control.

01:50:49.000 Yeah, I need it now.

01:50:51.000 Crouching towards 50, still enjoying jujitsu.

01:50:54.000 Yeah.

01:50:55.000 You need a little bit.

01:50:56.000 Do you definitely need something?

01:50:57.000 You need some.

01:50:58.000 Are you taking any peptides or any of that stuff?

01:51:01.000 I played around with peptides.

01:51:02.000 Finally, two years ago, I got my endocrine system checked, my hormones checked.

01:51:06.000 Oh, man.

01:51:09.000 This is a nice little gauge that had red zone, yellow, green.

01:51:15.000 Upon first looking at this chart, I assumed that my life was going to end in about 36 hours.

01:51:21.000 What was your number? 1.00

01:51:22.000 Oh, fuck. 1.00

01:51:24.000 Two something. 1.00

01:51:24.000 Oh, Jesus. 1.00

01:51:26.000 I had never had it checked.

01:51:27.000 That's crazy.

01:51:28.000 I didn't feel awesome, but I also.

01:51:32.000 There are people who played around with an immense amount of performance enhancing materials in my previous job, which live your life however you want to.

01:51:39.000 Just understand maybe the long term tail and the consequences of the choice you want to make.

01:51:43.000 I wanted to avoid that for as long as possible because, as you know, once you kind of go on that train, it's a lifelong journey.

01:51:49.000 But once I finally saw that piece of paper, I'm like, oh boy.

01:51:54.000 I bet you could attribute that to the volume of your training.

01:51:58.000 That's also part of the problem is if you're training 10 times a week, you're probably in a constant state of overtraining.

01:52:06.000 Oh, for sure.

01:52:07.000 Yeah.

01:52:08.000 That probably for the vast majority of my life, that's been the state that I operated in.

01:52:11.000 If I'm being honest, I mean, the answer was always just more.

01:52:14.000 Like, if you want to get better, do more.

01:52:15.000 Right.

01:52:16.000 You want to be stronger, go harder.

01:52:17.000 Go harder and do more.

01:52:18.000 I'm like, okay.

01:52:19.000 It took me about so I've been, I started taking TRT about two years ago.

01:52:23.000 I am just now finally, slowly dialing it into where I feel a difference.

01:52:28.000 Recovery is better, but also, I mean, I try to set realistic expectations for who I am and what I'm trying to do.

01:52:33.000 Like, I'm just, I want to have the healthiest lifespan that I can.

01:52:37.000 Yes.

01:52:37.000 I'd rather live to 80 and be doing awesome stuff to 80 than live to 90 and spend the last 10 years eating jello in a nursing home.

01:52:44.000 Right.

01:52:44.000 So that's what I'm going for.

01:52:46.000 You could do, as long as you're smart with your training and you don't get like catastrophic injuries, you could be very physically fit deep, deep into your 60s and 70s, which is nuts.

01:52:58.000 And I just, and that's, I mean, I don't know.

01:53:00.000 Nobody knows how much time we have, you know, and how much, how long your lap is going to be.

01:53:04.000 My goal is just to fill it up with awesome experiences between here and whenever that is.

01:53:09.000 Here, here. 0.98

01:53:09.000 Just stay out of that fucking flying squirrel suit, will you? 0.98

01:53:12.000 You know, Cam just said the same thing to me. 1.00

01:53:14.000 And if enough people keep saying that, I'll put that fucking thing back on just to piss you guys off. 0.98

01:53:19.000 It's kind of amazing that you're still here. 0.99

01:53:21.000 That's, you've done that so many times.

01:53:24.000 I mean, you broke the world record at one point in time.

01:53:26.000 I did, yes.

01:53:27.000 My egg, that was, how many miles was that that you flew?

01:53:30.000 It's like 18.2.

01:53:31.000 Two, something like that, with a flying squirrel suit.

01:53:34.000 To me it was very reasonable.

01:53:36.000 You know the things that I do that I think are reasonable.

01:53:38.000 Oftentimes in my life people will pull me aside and be like, hey man, what the yeah?

01:53:42.000 That doesn't seem at all reasonable.

01:53:44.000 Well, you're only seeing that one video.

01:53:46.000 I had been skydiving for like 16 years.

01:53:49.000 At that point, you know, and you know something like when I would go over to.

01:53:53.000 I remember i'd go over to Switzerland and I would do a flight in the wingsuit and get you know you're like you're playing tag with your shadow on a steep cliff and I would send it to you.

01:54:02.000 And One day you were like, I just had to throw my phone across the room watching this because it was giving you anxiety.

01:54:08.000 So then I'm like, clearly I'm sending you more of these videos for sure, right?

01:54:11.000 Because now I got the hookie.

01:54:12.000 I threw my phone into a couch. 1.00

01:54:14.000 I was like, fuck this. 1.00

01:54:16.000 What are you doing, Andy? 0.99

01:54:17.000 But that was like one of many jumps in this, like the months of training leading up to that.

01:54:22.000 I'm not going to sit here and say it's safe.

01:54:24.000 I do think you can do it as safely as possible.

01:54:26.000 And I don't have a higher risk threshold than other people do.

01:54:30.000 I spend an immense amount of time at everything that I do looking at the risk and trying to manage it, analyze it.

01:54:36.000 Mitigate it as much as possible.

01:54:37.000 And then you look at what's left.

01:54:39.000 To me, that activity provided me enough enrichment in my life that it was worth it.

01:54:44.000 I haven't put the suit on in Five or six years, but I swear to God, if I get one more person telling me not to do it, I'm going to go back and just start sending you videos again.

01:54:54.000 All right, well, I promise I won't be that guy that tells you that.

01:54:59.000 I promise.

01:55:00.000 But honestly, at this point, again, talking about risk, it's not worth it.

01:55:03.000 I don't live in a place where I can stay because your currency in that suit comes from the skydiving world where you can jump it multiple times a day.

01:55:09.000 In the base jumping world, there's no altimeter, you're just camera one, camera two at about a buck twenty.

01:55:16.000 Face first, so yeah, if you misjudge a tree or a cliff, honestly. 0.94

01:55:20.000 Fucked a lot's happening.

01:55:23.000 I don't know how to describe what it feels like doing 120 miles an hour, face first, a few feet off the ground. 0.96

01:55:32.000 Probably like the, what is it in the Olympics?

01:55:33.000 How close?

01:55:34.000 Skeleton?

01:55:35.000 How close do you get off the ground?

01:55:36.000 What's the closest?

01:55:38.000 Probably not intentionally.

01:55:39.000 The closest was probably somewhere right around the three-foot range.

01:55:43.000 120 miles an hour.

01:55:45.000 So three-foot is like one, two, like that.

01:55:48.000 Yeah.

01:55:49.000 Jesus, dude.

01:55:50.000 Yeah.

01:55:50.000 That's insane.

01:55:51.000 You don't do that for very long.

01:55:54.000 And if you do like some of those jumps in Switzerland, like you would hike for hours.

01:55:59.000 And there's this one jump.

01:56:01.000 It's actually one of the ones I sent you from.

01:56:02.000 It's insane.

01:56:04.000 You're just looking out into like this. 1.00

01:56:07.000 Picture storybook of like where the Kabul giant or whatever he was would live, right? 0.94

01:56:12.000 Like you just Kandahar, Kandahar giant, whichever one. 0.64

01:56:14.000 I think it's real.

01:56:15.000 I hope it is real.

01:56:18.000 I deeply, it's such a deep part of me hopes that it's real. 0.82

01:56:20.000 But you're looking out at that as you're zipping up your ridiculous nylon suit and checking to make sure everything is there.

01:56:26.000 And then you just rock forward. 0.84

01:56:27.000 And at some point, you rock to a place where you can't go back the other direction.

01:56:31.000 And you send it in the first few seconds because you have no airspeed, the suit doesn't fly.

01:56:35.000 So you're just falling and then it takes off.

01:56:37.000 And it's just these right hand turns and right hand turns.

01:56:39.000 And there are small sections where the angle is correct and you can kind of connect with the train and then get away from it and connect.

01:56:47.000 The people who are able to survive it are not the ones that are flying three feet off the ground all the time.

01:56:51.000 It's very, very short periods of time on jumps that they have practiced many, many times and they slowly, incrementally work their way down there.

01:57:00.000 Because again, a mistake in that environment is you're going to impact an object head first at 120.

01:57:05.000 I remember the video that scared me the most was a bridge.

01:57:09.000 Where the guy was trying to fly through, you know, the video.

01:57:12.000 Yeah, I do.

01:57:13.000 Oh, yeah, there you go.

01:57:14.000 Is this Andy?

01:57:14.000 Oh, yeah.

01:57:15.000 Look at this.

01:57:15.000 Oh, I love this little grass field over here.

01:57:17.000 I think my head turns to the right because there were two dudes up here.

01:57:19.000 I was looking at them.

01:57:20.000 God, that is beautiful.

01:57:22.000 Oh, I'm telling you, it's insane.

01:57:23.000 This is the field of joy.

01:57:25.000 Wow.

01:57:26.000 That's the shadow in the lower right, but that's probably, I don't know, that's probably 10 feet off. 0.98

01:57:30.000 God, that is fucking pretty. 0.98

01:57:33.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:57:34.000 That has got to be nuts. 0.99

01:57:36.000 I mean, there's not a ride at Disneyland that can fuck with this. 0.99

01:57:39.000 Oh, absolutely not. 0.99

01:57:42.000 Wow.

01:57:44.000 Have you ever done one of those ones where you strap a jetpack?

01:57:48.000 No, but I like where your head's at.

01:57:50.000 Yeah.

01:57:51.000 I know exactly what you're talking about.

01:57:52.000 You remember there was a guy that was like getting in trouble because they kept finding this guy flying a wingsuit?

01:58:00.000 He was flying a jetpack wingsuit and they were trying to like locate the guy who was doing it.

01:58:04.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:58:05.000 He was getting like they were looking for him because he was they kept spotting him.

01:58:10.000 Where was that, Jamie?

01:58:11.000 Do you remember?

01:58:12.000 We talked about it on the show once.

01:58:14.000 I feel like this is like a combination of stories.

01:58:16.000 No, no, no.

01:58:17.000 Secret jetpack man?

01:58:18.000 Yeah, some guy had a jetpack and he was flying around where he wasn't supposed to be.

01:58:22.000 Yeah, so these guys are in Dubai.

01:58:24.000 Unfortunately.

01:58:25.000 Wow, that's nuts.

01:58:26.000 I found a guy.

01:58:27.000 This is just a video.

01:58:28.000 I thought I'd been him.

01:58:29.000 But that one's nuts.

01:58:30.000 So that's an actual wingsuit.

01:58:32.000 That's an I mean wing.

01:58:32.000 Like a plane.

01:58:33.000 And they got to the place where they could take this off from standing on the ground, Joe.

01:58:38.000 Unfortunately, one of the innovators in that ended up dying.

01:58:41.000 There's an altitude and airspeed where if you have an issue, you're not going to be able to deploy your parachute to save you.

01:58:46.000 And he had an issue at that altitude.

01:58:49.000 Jeez.

01:58:50.000 But yeah, who would have ever.

01:58:51.000 That guy is up there with a plane.

01:58:52.000 Show me that again, please.

01:58:53.000 Wow.

01:58:54.000 Yeah.

01:58:55.000 That is insane.

01:58:57.000 Would you ever do that?

01:58:59.000 I don't want to say would I.

01:59:01.000 I mean, there's a time and a place where I would do a lot of things.

01:59:07.000 Because I would 100% do that.

01:59:09.000 I bet you would.

01:59:10.000 Now, does that guy have an engine on that thing?

01:59:12.000 Yeah, there's little microjet engines.

01:59:14.000 You can see them.

01:59:16.000 How much fuel?

01:59:17.000 That's a good question.

01:59:18.000 Like I said, they had gotten to a place where they could stand.

01:59:20.000 So that wing kind of conforms around their skydiving parachute.

01:59:25.000 I think there are four little jet engines.

01:59:26.000 They got to a place where they were standing, cracking those things off and going vertical and then transitioning to the plate.

01:59:33.000 And then I think landing them too.

01:59:33.000 Yes.

01:59:37.000 Yeah.

01:59:38.000 Landing them with the engine somehow?

01:59:40.000 But did they rotate?

01:59:41.000 I mean, they are wearing a parachute.

01:59:43.000 You know what?

01:59:43.000 Maybe I might be misspeaking on that, but I know that they were taking off from a no airspeed standing there and just.

01:59:51.000 That's nuts.

01:59:52.000 Well, that's also, like I said, how one of the innovators died.

01:59:55.000 It was in that phase, like a low altitude, low airspeed phase where nothing's really going to.

02:00:00.000 I remember I did morning.

02:00:02.000 Oh, yeah.

02:00:02.000 What is it?

02:00:03.000 These are the jetpack racers.

02:00:04.000 Oh, yeah.

02:00:06.000 That's crazy.

02:00:06.000 I've seen that too.

02:00:07.000 This is real, by the way, right?

02:00:09.000 Yeah.

02:00:09.000 Because it kind of looks fake.

02:00:10.000 No, those are real for sure.

02:00:11.000 They actually have, there's a league, Jamie, of guys who race these things.

02:00:15.000 How do we get them?

02:00:16.000 That's a good question.

02:00:18.000 Yeah.

02:00:18.000 Add to cart on Amazon for sure.

02:00:20.000 How fast do you think these guys are going with these things?

02:00:22.000 Whoa, and they can just land?

02:00:24.000 Oh, that's wild.

02:00:25.000 You can just fly to work. 0.99

02:00:26.000 Bro, you have to have some fucking shoulder strength to do that. 0.98

02:00:30.000 I mean, I love how they're trying to show, like, this has, oh, like, incredible military application. 0.99

02:00:34.000 Like, let's take it easy, okay?

02:00:36.000 It's got to be quiet, right?

02:00:37.000 Yeah, super quiet.

02:00:41.000 Is there some support for your shoulders in there?

02:00:44.000 It's not like you're doing a constant dip.

02:00:46.000 I don't.

02:00:47.000 Well, I think that the jetpack, so on his backpack, I believe that's putting some thrust out too.

02:00:51.000 The hands are as well.

02:00:53.000 So it's a combination of the three.

02:00:55.000 Because, like, how long can you hold a dip position?

02:00:58.000 Yeah, so here's the league.

02:00:58.000 I don't know.

02:00:59.000 Look at these crates.

02:01:00.000 Yeah, the backpack itself.

02:01:03.000 Oh, getting fancy.

02:01:04.000 Oh, that's crazy.

02:01:06.000 But the ground's pushing back up on you in that situation, you know?

02:01:09.000 Bummer.

02:01:10.000 You're doing a dip.

02:01:11.000 Yeah, that's true.

02:01:12.000 That's true.

02:01:13.000 Yeah, that's true.

02:01:15.000 I feel like the backpack is doing the majority of it.

02:01:18.000 Like the Iron Man little hand things, I feel like that's just the stabilization.

02:01:21.000 Oh, so the backpack is doing the most of it, and the other thing's just steering you a little bit more. 0.99

02:01:28.000 I think I have exactly zero seconds in one of these things, so this is me talking out of my ass. 0.99

02:01:33.000 If there was enough lives. 0.99

02:01:35.000 If you had multiple lives, I would do a lot of different things.

02:01:39.000 That looks so fun.

02:01:40.000 It does.

02:01:41.000 Jamie, what can you do?

02:01:43.000 Look at this guy's coming up the mountain.

02:01:44.000 Where's the parachute?

02:01:46.000 Oh, no, there is no parachute. 1.00

02:01:47.000 Suck in the box. 1.00

02:01:48.000 Oh, so. 1.00

02:01:48.000 No, there's no parachute. 1.00

02:01:49.000 That's why you want to stay five feet off the ground.

02:01:51.000 Look at this.

02:01:52.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:01:52.000 Sue's just flying to the top of this fucking cliff with that thing. 1.00

02:01:55.000 Oh, that's bonkers. 0.99

02:01:57.000 For sure, this is like to save people or something.

02:01:59.000 No, it's for fun.

02:02:00.000 I agree with Joe more on that one.

02:02:02.000 What do you think, like, the.

02:02:04.000 How much time do you get in one of those until you run out of fuel?

02:02:07.000 Let's.

02:02:07.000 I don't know.

02:02:08.000 Time enough to fill a motivational video like this.

02:02:12.000 To me, I'd be like.

02:02:13.000 Gravity Industries.

02:02:15.000 I would be reverse engineering.

02:02:15.000 This is the company.

02:02:17.000 Like, where is this in my Amazon cart?

02:02:19.000 How do I possibly make enough money to have these sent to my house immediately?

02:02:22.000 What do you think one of those costs?

02:02:24.000 My guess would be six figures.

02:02:26.000 So, professional.

02:02:28.000 Shop.

02:02:29.000 Entertainment.

02:02:30.000 Yes. 1.00

02:02:30.000 Oh, click on that, bitch. 1.00

02:02:32.000 Let's go. 1.00

02:02:33.000 Suit up. 1.00

02:02:34.000 Suit me up, motherfucker. 1.00

02:02:35.000 Hold on. 1.00

02:02:36.000 Give me my credit card.

02:02:37.000 Let's guess.

02:02:38.000 Let's guess.

02:02:39.000 Ah, got it.

02:02:40.000 50 grand?

02:02:41.000 Hmm.

02:02:43.000 100 grand?

02:02:44.000 I'm going to say six figures.

02:02:45.000 Oh.

02:02:46.000 They fooled us. 1.00

02:02:47.000 You sons of bitches. 1.00

02:02:48.000 Oh, clothes? 1.00

02:02:49.000 You can only buy clothes?

02:02:50.000 No, you can't buy the thing on the website. 0.99

02:02:52.000 Why can't you buy the fucking thing? 0.99

02:02:54.000 Let's see. 1.00

02:02:55.000 Well, how much does the thing cost?

02:02:56.000 Somebody must be able to buy it.

02:02:58.000 2,400 pounds for an experience.

02:03:00.000 Half a day.

02:03:00.000 So that's just to fly it.

02:03:02.000 1,000 horsepower, 1050 horsepower gravity jet suit.

02:03:06.000 Whoa.

02:03:07.000 So it's the same horsepower as a ZR1 Corvette.

02:03:12.000 And it's on your back.

02:03:13.000 Look at this.

02:03:14.000 Yeah.

02:03:14.000 First off, take that safety line off.

02:03:16.000 Let's let people live in the back. 0.99

02:03:17.000 That guy needs a safety line. 0.98

02:03:18.000 Look at his neck. 0.99

02:03:20.000 Let me.

02:03:20.000 Like, yeah, let's search the price.

02:03:23.000 So you think six figures.

02:03:25.000 I would probably say that's probably accurate, especially when I saw it as a thousand horsepower.

02:03:29.000 Here's a better question Are you willing to spend six figures to acquire one of those?

02:03:33.000 I'm going to go in the hard yes category for myself.

02:03:37.000 I'm not saying I got six figures laying around, I'm saying I will start a new career.

02:03:43.000 Oh no, that's not a good face, Jamie.

02:03:45.000 It's not, it is in the six figures.

02:03:49.000 But it's not the low.

02:03:49.000 Six?

02:03:50.000 It's not the edge of it.

02:03:51.000 $600?

02:03:52.000 Yeah, roughly.

02:03:53.000 That'd get one.

02:03:55.000 It says $440,000.

02:03:55.000 $600,000?

02:03:56.000 Whoa.

02:03:57.000 Is that in US dollars?

02:03:59.000 Yeah, yes.

02:04:00.000 Depending on configuration and stuff, too.

02:04:02.000 Okay, what if you get it maxed?

02:04:05.000 Well, it's not giving me options.

02:04:06.000 I just kind of searched around.

02:04:07.000 I think we're just going to get closer to the seven figure number if we do that.

02:04:10.000 They probably don't advertise how much it costs.

02:04:13.000 Does it say how long you can stay in the air in that thing?

02:04:18.000 Let's guess.

02:04:19.000 I want to say 30 minutes.

02:04:21.000 I've seen a guess under 10.

02:04:23.000 Whoa.

02:04:24.000 Well, I remember when I saw one on a radio station once and they had a guy who.

02:04:29.000 One minute.

02:04:29.000 What is it?

02:04:31.000 One to four minutes.

02:04:32.000 One to four?

02:04:33.000 That's it.

02:04:33.000 So what are they doing when they're flying up to that mountain?

02:04:35.000 Five to ten if you are doing it carefully. 0.94

02:04:39.000 Well, how the fuck do they get all the way to the mountain? 0.92

02:04:41.000 How do they get down? 0.98

02:04:42.000 We only saw a five second deal. 0.99

02:04:43.000 Is there a gallon of gas up there at the top of that fucking mountain? 0.98

02:04:46.000 I'm way less enthusiastic about this purchase now. 1.00

02:04:49.000 Yeah, that sucks. 0.77

02:04:50.000 Yeah. 0.97

02:04:51.000 $450 grand for a minute.

02:04:53.000 But what makes me enthusiastic is that they're going to innovate and evolve this.

02:04:56.000 And then one day.

02:04:57.000 It'll be nuclear powered.

02:04:58.000 Let's not get crazy.

02:04:59.000 It'll be, yeah, it'll be cold fusion.

02:05:01.000 It'll be an Iron Man machine.

02:05:03.000 I mean, I feel like we could do better things with that technology before the jet suit, but I'm totally in on the jet suit.

02:05:10.000 Get an Iron Man suit.

02:05:11.000 Like, that's Iron Man, right?

02:05:13.000 The hands.

02:05:14.000 That's how he would fly.

02:05:15.000 I mean, that's kind of what they look like.

02:05:16.000 Yeah.

02:05:17.000 Yeah.

02:05:17.000 Like, it would come out of his feet and it would come out of his hands.

02:05:21.000 I did a radio station once in Denver, and they had a guy who did a jetpack thing in a parking lot.

02:05:26.000 It was like a morning radio back in the day.

02:05:29.000 And this guy, I think it could only last for 30 seconds.

02:05:32.000 And this guy, he had two knee braces on because he had blown out both of his ACLs just landing and destroying his knees.

02:05:40.000 But it was crazy to watch.

02:05:42.000 It was crazy to watch.

02:05:43.000 This guy took off and he flew around, but it was only for a few seconds.

02:05:46.000 I think it's like a 30 second deal.

02:05:49.000 After 30 seconds, it runs out of juice.

02:05:51.000 I'm glad there are people like that out there.

02:05:52.000 I appreciate their enthusiasm.

02:05:54.000 There's always going to be, right?

02:05:55.000 Yeah.

02:05:56.000 There's always going to be somewhere.

02:05:57.000 Very brief description of what it has in there.

02:06:01.000 A lot of jazz.

02:06:02.000 It honestly is like what you were talking about.

02:06:03.000 So the hands, like the Ironman position.

02:06:05.000 So the back has a majority of the thrust.

02:06:08.000 Right. 0.99

02:06:09.000 I bet it heats your ass up something fierce. 1.00

02:06:09.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:06:11.000 Yeah.

02:06:11.000 Up to 56 miles per hour.

02:06:13.000 Interesting.

02:06:14.000 95 degrees.

02:06:15.000 I wonder how much faster you go with jet fuel.

02:06:17.000 Well, what does it normally use?

02:06:19.000 It says diesel or jet fuel.

02:06:21.000 Diesel or jet fuel.

02:06:22.000 That's weird.

02:06:23.000 They're not that far off.

02:06:24.000 Or kerosene.

02:06:25.000 But isn't that weird that one engine can burn those different types of fuel?

02:06:28.000 That seems unusual.

02:06:29.000 That's probably the configuration part where.

02:06:30.000 Oh, I see.

02:06:31.000 Right, right, right.

02:06:32.000 Like if you want a top of the line one, you get jet fuel.

02:06:35.000 Plat version.

02:06:36.000 Yeah.

02:06:37.000 All right.

02:06:38.000 Go get one.

02:06:39.000 I'll take one.

02:06:40.000 Let's try it.

02:06:41.000 But is there legitimate military applications for something like that?

02:06:41.000 Yeah.

02:06:45.000 I can't really think of one.

02:06:46.000 It's because it showed guys in fatigues that are landed on an aircraft carrier.

02:06:51.000 I could show you videos of guys in fatigues that end up banging each other.

02:06:55.000 So it doesn't necessarily mean that.

02:06:59.000 Right?

02:07:00.000 Is there a military application for that?

02:07:00.000 So let's just say.

02:07:03.000 Let's just say.

02:07:04.000 That would be far fringe.

02:07:06.000 I'm just saying the fatigues don't necessarily have the qualifier of it being, you know, good utilization for the military.

02:07:12.000 So we only briefly touched on this Kandahar giant story.

02:07:16.000 But were you ever in Kandahar?

02:07:18.000 Yeah.

02:07:18.000 I sound in the south of the country.

02:07:20.000 How remote is it?

02:07:23.000 I mean, there's a large city there.

02:07:26.000 Town city?

02:07:27.000 I don't know the difference between the two.

02:07:29.000 It's relatively built up.

02:07:30.000 As far as southern Afghanistan, it's going to be, you know, you have Kabul up north, Kandahar is a little bit down south.

02:07:35.000 Kabul in the north, you're going to start looking at the exterior range of the Hindu Kush.

02:07:40.000 Kandahar still has some topography, but you're looking at more of like a high desert terrain.

02:07:44.000 And so there's caves and things along those lines.

02:07:47.000 This is the idea that this thing lived in a cave.

02:07:50.000 Yeah.

02:07:51.000 I mean, so, yeah, there is topography that is there for sure.

02:07:55.000 It, uh, Possible?

02:07:57.000 I don't know.

02:07:58.000 Well, the reason why people entertain this idea of giants at all is all, a lot of it's biblical.

02:08:05.000 It's like stories from the Bible.

02:08:07.000 And then also stories from ancient civilizations that talked about red haired giants, which is the weird thing about this thing, had red hair.

02:08:16.000 Like the Native Americans had tales of red haired giants that they fought off.

02:08:21.000 Like, there's a lot of people that believe that all these stories from antiquity about giants are all referring to an actual different race of humans.

02:08:31.000 You know, like, we are one race of humans, the Homo sapiens that survived.

02:08:36.000 But then there's also races of humans that didn't survive, like the Hobbit people from the island of Flores that they found out there was a branch of the human species that was like three feet tall, covered in hair, little tiny heads. 0.61

02:08:49.000 Weird, but had tools and had weapons and.

02:08:52.000 I think some of that stuff's real.

02:08:53.000 I think sometimes, though, the stories, they're intentionally nesting a greater message through the vehicle of that story.

02:09:03.000 So whether it's accurate or not, it's more about the story that they are telling.

02:09:08.000 And I'm not saying the Kandahar giant has some story associated with it, but some of the older, like the symbolizations and the stories that they tell, I think it's just a vehicle that they can nest something in there to create deeper thought.

02:09:23.000 If that makes sense, it's what I see you guys doing, comedians.

02:09:26.000 I've talked about this recently.

02:09:29.000 It is interesting to me, and I never paid attention to it, but I know he's a good friend of yours, Dave Chappelle.

02:09:35.000 I watched his last special.

02:09:37.000 The ability for comedians to nest inside of your set pretty impactful and powerful, like societal conversations and ideas and get people to laugh about it.

02:09:47.000 But even when they're done laughing about it, they're going to be thinking about it when they're driving home.

02:09:51.000 It's just the vehicle to get people thinking about stuff.

02:09:55.000 Well, in terms of comedy, I agree, and Dave is one of the best of all time, if not the best at doing that.

02:10:00.000 But what kind of a nesting would you.

02:10:05.000 You're talking about giants.

02:10:06.000 It depends on the morals and ethos of that society.

02:10:09.000 If they want to be a warrior society, you have to have something that you're constantly fighting or protecting yourself against.

02:10:15.000 Whether that's real or you are nesting the morality of your society in that story, both could achieve the same end state.

02:10:22.000 If there really was a giant and they really did kill this thing and then brought it back secretly, like what would be the purpose of that?

02:10:27.000 Why wouldn't they?

02:10:30.000 That's where I go.

02:10:31.000 Like, what would be the purpose of hiding the fact that this thing existed?

02:10:34.000 I don't see why the government would hide the discovery of a giant.

02:10:39.000 Like, what military reason, what national security reason would you have for hiding this thing that this thing existed?

02:10:51.000 At some level of objective skepticism and criticism, or looking into these stories, you get to that point of like, who's benefiting from this and why?

02:10:59.000 Yeah.

02:10:59.000 Why would anybody actually go out of their way to put this much effort into obscure something like that?

02:11:04.000 Yeah.

02:11:05.000 That's how I feel about giants.

02:11:07.000 But when it comes to UFOs, it makes more sense to me.

02:11:11.000 Because then you have something that's insanely advanced, much more advanced than us.

02:11:16.000 And so I had this guy, Hal Putoff, on my show.

02:11:20.000 He was a physicist, very brilliant guy.

02:11:23.000 And he's been around forever.

02:11:24.000 And during, was George W. or Herbert Walker?

02:11:32.000 One of the Bushes.

02:11:33.000 They brought him and a team of specialists in, and they said, We are contemplating disclosure, and that we have not just acquired crashed vehicles that are of non human origin, but also we have biological remains of these creatures. 0.91

02:11:55.000 We want you to write down pros and cons of the impact of these things and put a numerical value.

02:12:02.000 Put a numerical value in terms of impact on government, impact on religion, impact on all these different things.

02:12:11.000 Universally, all of them came out with more cons than pros.

02:12:15.000 The numbers didn't line up and they made a decision to not disclose.

02:12:19.000 This is according to this Hal Putoff guy.

02:12:22.000 I could see that being the case.

02:12:23.000 I could see that being the case too, if it was true.

02:12:26.000 The UFO thing there's just too many stories for me to openly dismiss all of them.

02:12:31.000 Even though I've had no experiences, there's too many stories.

02:12:36.000 There's too much weirdness to it.

02:12:38.000 How about it, just given the size of the known universe and the fact it keeps expanding, what is the mathematical odds that we are completely the only thing out there?

02:12:45.000 Exactly.

02:12:46.000 So, this is like sort of the same argument that people used to use for Bigfoot.

02:12:51.000 Like the wilderness is so vast, the Pacific Northwest is so dense, there could be something out there that we haven't documented.

02:12:59.000 Well, the problem is now we kind of have, and now we kind of know that with all these camera traps and all these different things, it's very, very, very, very unlikely that any of these stories are true.

02:13:09.000 But when you get to the universe, it's like, come on.

02:13:13.000 It's way more likely that we're not alone than we are alone.

02:13:17.000 If we are alone, that's kind of insane.

02:13:19.000 I mean, it's kind of incredible.

02:13:22.000 If this is the only place where intelligent life has formed, I think if that's the case, we're missing something.

02:13:28.000 We're missing something about the nature of consciousness.

02:13:31.000 We're missing something about what consciousness actually is like, what is our actual role in the universe?

02:13:37.000 It might be more complex than we initially believe.

02:13:43.000 I think disclosure that we aren't alone would have a net benefit to society globally.

02:13:51.000 We spent a lot of time pecking back and forth at each other and fighting each other.

02:13:56.000 If you got sat down and be like, listen, we have a global issue now that everybody is impacted by this. 0.99

02:14:04.000 As much of the biggest swinging dick you think you are on this planet, guess what? 0.99

02:14:08.000 You're nothing in comparison to this. 1.00

02:14:10.000 I think it would have a net calming effect.

02:14:13.000 Maybe not instantaneously, but overall, I think that that would be the net effect of it.

02:14:18.000 Perhaps the real problem is like all things, someone's going to take advantage of it.

02:14:23.000 But I think that if so, let's just say it is real.

02:14:26.000 I think that's already happening.

02:14:27.000 Like the U.S., if that's real, the U.S. is not the only country that has agreed not to disclose because it is to their benefit not to do so.

02:14:36.000 Like these things, Russia has a crash program.

02:14:39.000 I'm sure China does as well, too.

02:14:41.000 And I'm sure that everybody, to include the U.S., is trying to reverse engineer these things for our benefit as fast as humanly possible.

02:14:47.000 Yeah.

02:14:47.000 So I think if it is true, that is the case.

02:14:51.000 And that's the Bob Lazar story.

02:14:52.000 There's a great documentary that's out now called S4 that's about Bob Lazar.

02:14:56.000 I had him on again for the second time.

02:15:00.000 I don't want to believe him. 0.99

02:15:01.000 I want to think he's a bullshit artist, but I believe him. 0.98

02:15:05.000 There's something about one guy who's a clearly brilliant guy who's been telling the same story since 1988. 0.99

02:15:15.000 Yeah.

02:15:15.000 And like you said, a volume of other stories.

02:15:17.000 Some of them I think you can completely write off.

02:15:20.000 But other ones, pretty tough from pretty credible people who aren't making claims like, hey, I sat down and had a beer with this thing.

02:15:28.000 But like, I was in an aircraft that has a certain performance envelope, and we understand the performance envelope of what humans are able to fly at this point.

02:15:35.000 And yeah, this thing did things that I don't understand.

02:15:39.000 Sometimes the videos get, I mean, I was talking with, you know, Bill Thompson.

02:15:44.000 You just had him on.

02:15:44.000 Sure.

02:15:45.000 Love that dude.

02:15:46.000 He is like, he's one of my favorite people.

02:15:49.000 You got to be cautious how deep of a question you ask him.

02:15:53.000 Right.

02:15:53.000 Because he has national defense level autism at times.

02:15:58.000 DEF CON 5.

02:16:00.000 Like, Bill, what's your favorite color?

02:16:02.000 It's like, oh, what is color? 0.99

02:16:03.000 Like, fuck, no, that's not what I meant. 0.99

02:16:07.000 But we were having this conversation, and his background is fascinating. 0.99

02:16:10.000 And what's even more fascinating is what he's done with his background and what he built with Spartan Forge with that.

02:16:15.000 Yeah.

02:16:16.000 And his ethics.

02:16:18.000 Correct.

02:16:19.000 But he was talking about some of the videos.

02:16:20.000 He understands technological things, and he can look at stuff and be like, that's the Parallax of two moving objects and how a lens works.

02:16:27.000 Not many people understand those things, to include myself many times when I'm talking with Mr. Bill.

02:16:33.000 But I mean, he, God, he's a national treasure.

02:16:35.000 He really is.

02:16:36.000 He is.

02:16:37.000 That was one of the ones where I dipped into the comments on YouTube because I just wanted to know how people were going to react to him.

02:16:44.000 What'd they say?

02:16:44.000 Yeah.

02:16:45.000 Loved him.

02:16:46.000 Loved him.

02:16:47.000 It was universal praise for how brilliant he is.

02:16:51.000 And I'm like, there's only one way they're going to respond.

02:16:53.000 I'm like, if you don't like, This guy, like you're listening to the wrong show. 0.87

02:16:57.000 Have you seen what he's done with the app he created, Spartan Fools?

02:17:00.000 It's an amazing app.

02:17:00.000 It's incredible.

02:17:01.000 It's 20 plus years of targeting and intelligence gathering packaged into something that's consumer facing. 0.99

02:17:08.000 That if you're into hunting, holy shit. 0.99

02:17:10.000 I know. 0.99

02:17:11.000 And what kind of a super genius is going to get involved in a hunting app like that?

02:17:15.000 Captain America of Autism.

02:17:19.000 I love you, Bill, but let's be honest.

02:17:23.000 He's brilliant on another level.

02:17:25.000 I remember the first conversation I had with him, I was like, oh, okay.

02:17:29.000 There's people that you talk to.

02:17:30.000 Like, whenever someone says, Oh, Joe, you're so smart, I'm like, Settle down.

02:17:35.000 No, no, no.

02:17:36.000 I'm smart compared to you, I'm smart compared to some people, you know, but I know real smart people.

02:17:45.000 Yeah, there is a stark difference.

02:17:47.000 A giant leap, a chasm, an ocean to cross before you reach levels like Bill or Elon or some of these people.

02:17:59.000 It's just like the amount of processing power they have. 0.99

02:18:04.000 I have a Honda Civic brain, and these motherfuckers have a Corvette ZR1. 0.99

02:18:09.000 I usually go with I have an IQ that you can find on a thermostat. 0.99

02:18:14.000 I'm not saying it's like the winter, but maybe it's a little bit close to a hot summer day.

02:18:18.000 Now, what he is, I wish I had the ability to build stuff like that.

02:18:22.000 Like, I use that app to hunt, but most of the time I use it when I'm flying my helicopter around because it is like the terrain analysis, the ability to look at stuff, the LIDAR, the way that you can look through foliage.

02:18:32.000 Again, I'm just, I'm deeply appreciative that people like that exist. 0.99

02:18:35.000 And again, with the ethics that he has, he will not sell your fucking email. 0.97

02:18:39.000 He's been offered a lot of money to sell all the, you know, that's the thing that companies do. 0.98

02:18:44.000 You sign up for something, you use your email, that your email goes in the list. 0.96

02:18:48.000 I'm sure if you ever opened up one of your email accounts and looked through the filters, like all the, Spam and promotional shit. 1.00

02:18:54.000 It's like years and years of garbage. 0.99

02:18:58.000 In addition to the email stuff, I know Bill has become a very good friend. 0.94

02:19:02.000 He's been offered money to do a lot of things, and his morality has stayed true throughout.

02:19:08.000 Which, and again, those things are his to talk about if he ever wants to.

02:19:12.000 But as somebody who knows him and appreciates that, I wish there were more people like that.

02:19:16.000 Yes.

02:19:17.000 It's just very difficult to become a guy like that.

02:19:20.000 It's a long road to be that guy.

02:19:22.000 Yeah.

02:19:24.000 I think.

02:19:25.000 Because of what's going on in Iran, it'd be good to talk to you about this because you're a guy who kind of understands things in terms of like geopolitics more than the average person.

02:19:34.000 Listen, I can find Iran on a map, okay?

02:19:36.000 That doesn't mean I understand geopolitics.

02:19:38.000 I know.

02:19:39.000 I know.

02:19:39.000 You're very humble.

02:19:41.000 But my operational experience was at a low tactical level, meaning on like, so there's strategic war, operational war.

02:19:48.000 But that's air I never was in the room for.

02:19:50.000 I didn't breathe that air.

02:19:51.000 I'm not having, I wasn't invited, rightfully so, to planning meetings where they were talking about the defense policy of the United States.

02:19:58.000 Or going into a country.

02:19:59.000 I was down like, hey, we found this dude.

02:20:03.000 We know where he's at.

02:20:04.000 Go get him.

02:20:05.000 We can't figure out how to go get him.

02:20:06.000 Why don't you guys go give it a little look see?

02:20:08.000 That was the level that I operated at.

02:20:10.000 Yeah.

02:20:11.000 Well, one of the things that was discussed was sending a bunch of operators in to go retrieve depleted uranium.

02:20:19.000 Yeah.

02:20:20.000 Do you think they tried that?

02:20:22.000 Oh, as a part of the rescue?

02:20:24.000 Yeah.

02:20:25.000 There seems to be a lot of ships, a lot of crafts.

02:20:29.000 Well, okay, so yes, but okay, so we can unpack this one a little bit.

02:20:36.000 So this is back to the F 15 weapon systems officer that ejected.

02:20:40.000 That was a C star or combat search and rescue operation where they surged forward a lot of stuff.

02:20:45.000 And then Operation or the Ghost Murmur.

02:20:48.000 Stop it right now.

02:20:49.000 You stop it right now.

02:20:50.000 You don't know what that is?

02:20:51.000 I know.

02:20:52.000 Do you believe in that?

02:20:53.000 Joe?

02:20:54.000 I want it to be true.

02:20:55.000 Right.

02:20:56.000 Me too.

02:20:56.000 I want them to be able to identify somebody from a heartbeat.

02:21:00.000 From 40 miles away.

02:21:01.000 From 40 miles away. 1.00

02:21:02.000 If that technology existed and we're not using that to help our own populace find people that are lost in the woods, we're a bunch of fucking assholes. 1.00

02:21:09.000 Right. 0.99

02:21:10.000 So, let's not maybe tell people what we're doing, but you could have a specialist in a search and rescue helicopter that could maybe use that and be like, oh, we saw them in a field when you didn't actually see, right?

02:21:19.000 So, because that doesn't happen, I think it's plausible.

02:21:23.000 I don't, it's possible.

02:21:24.000 I don't know if it's plausible.

02:21:25.000 That's how we felt.

02:21:26.000 Me and Jamie were both going.

02:21:29.000 But then you can go old school, which is sending in monkeys with machine guns, like what I used to do with a PJ or multiple PJs, pararescue jumpers, because those are the guys.

02:21:39.000 This is the way I describe PJs. 0.64

02:21:41.000 If you want to put a hole in something, JSOC guys are great at it.

02:21:43.000 If you want to plug a hole, PJs are the guys that you want on top of you, just stopping hydraulic fluid.

02:21:48.000 They're medical, just absolute badasses.

02:21:52.000 Nothing but immense respect for them.

02:21:53.000 So the two cargo aircraft came in.

02:21:56.000 They pulled the little birds out.

02:21:57.000 I believe that there were four.

02:21:59.000 That you could only fit probably, man, even if they were super light on fuel, probably three guys on each pod.

02:22:05.000 So, six guys per helicopter, 24 guys.

02:22:07.000 Some of those are going to have to be PJs.

02:22:09.000 I don't know if that's enough to go into a hardened facility in the daytime, also, which is not when you would do that for retrieving depleted uranium.

02:22:19.000 Because, by the way, to do that, you're going to be in full protective equipment very likely, which you're going to be moving incredibly slow.

02:22:27.000 I just, I know it was, I know that geographically it was proximal to one of the locations that they thought that that was what was going on.

02:22:34.000 I think it probably was a rescue of the weapons systems officer, is my guess.

02:22:39.000 And then they're like, well, we can't get the aircraft because they got stuck in the sand.

02:22:44.000 I'm like, okay.

02:22:45.000 The little birds don't have the fuel storage and ability to get across where they needed to go, so they had to bring in other aircraft, and you don't want to leave that stuff.

02:22:51.000 Right, so you got to detonate.

02:22:53.000 Yeah, they bip it or blow it in place.

02:22:55.000 How many aircrafts did they lose?

02:22:58.000 So what has been, I think, disclosed was the four MH6s, which are the little birds that carry the people.

02:23:05.000 The two aircraft that brought those in, I think there was some version of a C-130.

02:23:10.000 And I think that was it as far as that operation.

02:23:12.000 There might have been a Predator or a Reaper drone that was shot down.

02:23:15.000 I think some A-10s were damaged.

02:23:16.000 And then, of course, the F-15 that was ejected from.

02:23:19.000 Wow.

02:23:20.000 It's a lot.

02:23:21.000 It's a lot of stuff.

02:23:22.000 It is a lot of stuff.

02:23:23.000 But the military asks people to do exceptional things.

02:23:27.000 And it helps you if you know that they are going to send everything that they have to come and get you if something goes wrong.

02:23:35.000 It has to mean something to be issued a flag on your chest, in my opinion at least.

02:23:39.000 And as far as those operations go, there's basically two where you are going to absorb, as the people responding, an immense amount of risk.

02:23:45.000 One of them is going to be a hostage rescue, which I was a part of.

02:23:48.000 We talked about that on a previous episode, the Jessica Lynch rescue.

02:23:51.000 The number of people we thought we might encounter was a way bigger number than the number of people that we could get there in the helicopters.

02:23:58.000 But you go anyway because of the chance of rescuing somebody.

02:24:02.000 Combat search and rescue, kind of the same thing.

02:24:03.000 Maybe it's not a hostage situation, but it could be building towards that.

02:24:07.000 I mean, maybe you don't have time to go at night, which is when you have all the tactical and technological advantage, right?

02:24:13.000 The night vision goggles.

02:24:14.000 It's like, hey, we got to go now in the daytime.

02:24:17.000 We're going to level the technological playing field, and you guys are going to go full back dive and get like that's very high risk.

02:24:23.000 Those are about the two times that you are going to accept that level of risk, and you go when you go.

02:24:27.000 Well, that's what I wanted to ask you.

02:24:29.000 So the official story seems to track.

02:24:33.000 It is more plausible to me than any of the other stories that I have heard.

02:24:37.000 I would like to think that the ghost murmur, whatever it is, But then it's like, okay, I mean, walk in the dog on that one.

02:24:44.000 Did this guy have to sit down and, you know, get an EKG and have his heart wave, you know, HRV on file somewhere?

02:24:53.000 Because how would you not pick up somebody else's heart rate?

02:24:55.000 Right.

02:24:55.000 How would you not pick up other animals or mammals that have, like, you know what I mean?

02:24:58.000 So I want to believe.

02:25:00.000 I think we'll probably get there.

02:25:01.000 I don't think we're there yet.

02:25:03.000 Was that an official story?

02:25:05.000 No, that's a Twitter story.

02:25:08.000 Well, I first saw it on Twitter, so.

02:25:08.000 Are you sure?

02:25:10.000 I did too.

02:25:11.000 But, well, someone sent it to me.

02:25:14.000 I didn't actually actively seek it out.

02:25:17.000 Somebody said it to me, and I was like, wait, what?

02:25:18.000 And then me and Jamie threw it around for a while.

02:25:21.000 The internet is the best, worst thing ever.

02:25:22.000 It was getting spread around by the New York Post, and then the same article was getting repeated everywhere.

02:25:29.000 Interesting.

02:25:30.000 New York Post.

02:25:30.000 Have it on the screen.

02:25:32.000 Interesting.

02:25:33.000 Ghost Murmur.

02:25:34.000 I mean, I would imagine, I bet you Lockheed Martin does have a program called Ghost Murmur.

02:25:38.000 Long range quantum magnetometry.

02:25:42.000 But I'm looking at articles, so.

02:25:44.000 Diamond based sensors.

02:25:45.000 I think Iran was saying that we tried to do.

02:25:49.000 The snatching of the uranium.

02:25:53.000 Yeah, they foiled us.

02:25:54.000 So it's like, who knows what side of the story to believe?

02:25:58.000 Right.

02:25:58.000 That is part of the problem.

02:26:00.000 And you know, you got your Fox News narrative and your MSNBC narrative, and who fucking knows? 0.98

02:26:08.000 Yeah, separating the bullshit in the modern era is more like an art form than a science. 0.99

02:26:16.000 Yeah. 0.94

02:26:18.000 It's very confusing and it's very disconcerting to just have no.

02:26:23.000 And then also, they can't tell you certain things.

02:26:26.000 Like, why would the general public know about things that could affect negatively national security?

02:26:33.000 Like, why?

02:26:34.000 Why would they tell you?

02:26:35.000 They can't tell you, which is also part of the problem with they're allowed to lie.

02:26:39.000 They're allowed to use.

02:26:42.000 Propaganda and misinformation on the American people in the interest of national security.

02:26:47.000 It would just be better. 0.99

02:26:47.000 So that's like. 0.99

02:26:48.000 I would appreciate it more.

02:26:49.000 They're like, listen, this is what we can tell you, and then this beyond this is a matter of national security.

02:26:53.000 So as much as you want to know, we can't tell you.

02:26:55.000 I prefer that over a BS story that gets, it's like a really sticky idea that then gets totally out of control.

02:27:01.000 And then, you know, people have a three piece tinfoil tuxedo on walking down Main Street.

02:27:06.000 But it's just super weird that there might be something like Ghost Murmur.

02:27:10.000 There might be something like.

02:27:11.000 Well, I guarantee you that there is a program.

02:27:13.000 I guarantee you that there is a program.

02:27:15.000 Diamond sensors.

02:27:17.000 I bet that's real.

02:27:18.000 I bet it works out.

02:27:19.000 I mean, they're probably testing it on mice.

02:27:20.000 You know, I mean, I'm sure that the concept is valid.

02:27:23.000 Well, you gotcha.

02:27:24.000 President Trump told the Post the CIA's secret new ghost bomber tool was very important to rescuing a downed airman inside Iran.

02:27:34.000 As leading physicists and engineers debate how the futuristic technology said to detect heartbeats at great distance might work.

02:27:41.000 So I guess the Post didn't make it up.

02:27:44.000 They were tried by Trump.

02:27:45.000 Wow.

02:27:46.000 I don't know if everything he says is accurate.

02:27:50.000 Just to throw that out there.

02:27:51.000 So, hey, who knows?

02:27:55.000 It gets a little loose and fast sometimes with the details in reality.

02:28:00.000 It's just crazy that that kind of technology is even being contemplated, that there might be a future where that exists.

02:28:07.000 Oh, that makes total sense to me.

02:28:09.000 They can find you based on your heart rate.

02:28:11.000 Well, they now know that they can use Wi Fi in order to see 3D objects in motion in a house.

02:28:20.000 Yeah, they can map.

02:28:21.000 Yeah, I mean, again. 0.90

02:28:24.000 I think Evan and I had an argument one time about radar and sonar, and we were both calling each other idiots, and we both found out that we were wrong once we looked it up on the internet. 0.67

02:28:31.000 So we'll say it's some version of that. 0.93

02:28:33.000 God, we were both 100% committed that we were correct and we were both wrong, which is classic.

02:28:38.000 But yeah, like in this room, the things that are emanating, there's an ability for them to map that and determine who, you know, maybe not who you are, but I bet you it gets to that point and where you are.

02:28:48.000 And you want to talk about a tactically beneficial piece of information for somebody like my old job?

02:28:53.000 Thank you very much.

02:28:55.000 Yeah, I'll take that all day.

02:28:55.000 Right.

02:28:57.000 As long as it stays out of the hands of the enemy.

02:29:00.000 Yeah, but then they'll eventually get it, and then you'll evolve, and your tactics will change, and that's the game, man.

02:29:05.000 It's just, it gets to a point with technology where it's like, what is not possible 100 years from now?

02:29:13.000 That's what's weird.

02:29:14.000 We are in one of the strangest times ever in human history in terms of these quantum computers that can solve mathematical problems.

02:29:22.000 Mark Andreessen explained it to me, and I'm going to paraphrase it.

02:29:26.000 I'll probably fuck it up.

02:29:27.000 But he said that a quantum computer can solve an equation in a matter of minutes. 0.81

02:29:33.000 That if you converted the entire universe, every atom in the universe, into a supercomputer, the universe would die of heat death before it could solve this problem.

02:29:45.000 And a quantum computer. On Earth, can solve it in a matter of minutes.

02:29:49.000 I don't even understand.

02:29:50.000 I mean, honestly, like I understand every word that you just used.

02:29:53.000 Right.

02:29:54.000 But I don't understand what that means.

02:29:57.000 Exactly.

02:29:57.000 And what it is capable of.

02:29:58.000 Right.

02:29:59.000 Well, they think that it might be evidence of somehow or another evidence of multiple dimensions of a multiverse.

02:30:09.000 And that not only is this quantum computer operating in this universe, but in an infinite number of other universes.

02:30:19.000 Simultaneously, I like the Doctor Strange movies.

02:30:21.000 I'm in.

02:30:22.000 Oh, the multiverse.

02:30:23.000 I mean, to me, that's.

02:30:24.000 I think they started it with Spider Man.

02:30:26.000 That might as well be a scientific documentary because that's my reference for the multiverse.

02:30:30.000 Right.

02:30:31.000 It's like, I guess we shouldn't even talk about it because we don't know what we're saying.

02:30:35.000 Never stopped me before.

02:30:36.000 But it's one of those things where it's like quantum computers are real.

02:30:40.000 It's an actual real thing now.

02:30:42.000 Google, specifically Hermut Nevin, who leads Google Quantum AI, has recently used language that strongly suggests their new quantum chip speed could be understood as borrowing computational power from other universes.

02:30:57.000 But this is an interpretive, speculative way of talking about quantum mechanics, not an experimentally established fact or a standard claim.

02:31:06.000 The claim comes from December 2024, a blog post about Google's Willow Quantum Chip.

02:31:11.000 Nevin wrote that the chip solved a task in minutes that would take a classical supercomputer about 10 to the 25th power years, far longer than the age of the universe.

02:31:25.000 Again, I understand every word you just used, but I don't understand what you just used.

02:31:28.000 Stop scrolling.

02:31:29.000 Scroll back up.

02:31:30.000 He then said this lends credence to the notion that quantum computation occurs in many parallel universes, and that this aligns with the idea that we live in a multiverse.

02:31:40.000 Explicitly referencing David Deutsch's many worlds argument for quantum computing.

02:31:46.000 Yeah, right. 0.98

02:31:47.000 We're too dumb to have this conversation. 0.99

02:31:48.000 That's where we need to get Bill on speakerphone. 0.99

02:31:51.000 Bill?

02:31:51.000 Bill, explain this.

02:31:52.000 Problem is, he'd be like, Yeah.

02:31:55.000 And then the show would be five hours long.

02:31:55.000 And then.

02:31:57.000 Well, and then I would also understand the words that he was using, but not in the combination and sequence that he would use them.

02:32:03.000 Exactly.

02:32:04.000 Exactly.

02:32:05.000 I'm just appreciative that he exists.

02:32:07.000 Yeah, I'm appreciative that there's people like that out there.

02:32:10.000 Your book.

02:32:11.000 Drown proof.

02:32:12.000 I assume this is in normal language that a normal person like you and I could read.

02:32:16.000 Well, considering that I wrote it, we did not use a lot of multi syllable words.

02:32:21.000 A lot of ands and thus are in there.

02:32:23.000 Well, I'm sure it's awesome.

02:32:26.000 Look, you got Jocko, Jack Carr, and me giving you blurbs on the cover, so it's got to be good.

02:32:32.000 So at some point, it doesn't have to be now, but I essentially wrote in the inscription, and I mean this from the bottom of my heart my life would not look the way it does had you and I not randomly met through Tate Fletcher.

02:32:44.000 Like my post military life would look completely different, and I have no ability to like pay you back for how gracious you've been with your time and your platform.

02:32:54.000 So, all that's a two way street because your presence on my show has enriched my show, it's made the show better for sure.

02:33:03.000 Well, my promise is that I will do the best I can to be a positive impact on the world around me.

02:33:08.000 I think that's the best way that I can try to pay you back, and honestly, it's the reason why I wrote that in the first place.

02:33:13.000 So, Well, that's all I can do.

02:33:15.000 It's my pleasure, and I try to do the exact same thing.

02:33:18.000 And shout out to my boy, Tate Flesher.

02:33:19.000 I haven't seen that guy in forever.

02:33:21.000 He's the best.

02:33:22.000 I love him.

02:33:22.000 All right.

02:33:23.000 I love you too.

02:33:24.000 Thanks for being here.

02:33:24.000 Thank you very much.

02:33:25.000 And Drown Proof, did you read the audiobook?

02:33:28.000 I did.

02:33:28.000 Yes.

02:33:29.000 I love it.

02:33:30.000 After that experience, let me tell you voice actors, I struggle with it enough as the person who wrote the words.

02:33:36.000 I can't even fathom what it would be like going in there blind and like, well, let's just figure this out as we go.

02:33:42.000 It's a tough gig.

02:33:42.000 Yeah.

02:33:43.000 Yeah.

02:33:43.000 There's a reason why they.

02:33:44.000 Yeah.

02:33:45.000 Jocker wrote.

02:33:47.000 In red, the forward.

02:33:48.000 Nice.

02:33:49.000 That was amazing.

02:33:49.000 Beautiful.

02:33:50.000 All right.

02:33:51.000 That's it.

02:33:52.000 Go get it, folks.

02:33:52.000 It's out now.

02:33:53.000 All right.

02:33:54.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - April 14, 2026

Joe Rogan Experience #2482 - Andy Stumpf

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