The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2488 - James McCann

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00:00:12.000 Everything's good.

00:00:13.000 Thank you for having me back.

00:00:14.000 Good to see you, my brother.

00:00:15.000 How are you?

00:00:16.000 Always great to see you.

00:00:18.000 I'm good.

00:00:19.000 It was fun having you at the clubhouse. 0.98

00:00:21.000 I was fucking terrified. 0.98

00:00:21.000 I was terrified. 0.98

00:00:22.000 You just look like you're back.

00:00:24.000 No, I thought that's it.

00:00:25.000 I've been away for too long. 0.99

00:00:27.000 I'm going to suck. 0.92

00:00:27.000 None of the new stuff's going to work. 0.92

00:00:29.000 They'll see me.

00:00:29.000 They'll go, he was wrong to come back.

00:00:31.000 Fuck him off. 1.00

00:00:32.000 It was so nice. 1.00

00:00:33.000 It was so nice.

00:00:35.000 You were telling the story.

00:00:36.000 I said, hold these thoughts.

00:00:38.000 Yeah.

00:00:38.000 I didn't know you didn't.

00:00:39.000 I didn't know we'd never spoken about it.

00:00:40.000 No.

00:00:41.000 Tell me the story. 0.60

00:00:42.000 That's why I came to America to start I got offered a job hosting a Catholic podcast, and they fired me as I packed up everything in Adelaide.

00:00:51.000 This is like two and a bit years ago.

00:00:52.000 I had the kids and the wife, and on the way to America, I got fired.

00:00:56.000 And they said, we'll still pay you rent.

00:00:58.000 It's in Steubenville, Ohio, a beautiful Appalachian town just outside of Pittsburgh.

00:01:03.000 And yeah, it's where we were three months ago.

00:01:06.000 I was there.

00:01:07.000 So, what did they see that they fired you for?

00:01:10.000 A lot.

00:01:11.000 They made a compilation video.

00:01:13.000 The guy who shot, they were right to find me.

00:01:16.000 No, no, they were.

00:01:17.000 No, because it was a good clean Catholic podcast.

00:01:19.000 And then the business manager was like, There was a sketch about stabbing someone in the throat with an AIDS needle.

00:01:25.000 They're like, he uses the word can't all the time.

00:01:27.000 They're like, This is a sponsorship nightmare.

00:01:29.000 Get him out.

00:01:31.000 But they still said, We'll pay you rent for three months and you can figure something out.

00:01:31.000 So I said, OK.

00:01:36.000 You still got a visa.

00:01:38.000 And I was terrified.

00:01:39.000 I was just in the snow.

00:01:40.000 Three kids and a wife.

00:01:41.000 Three kids, no job. 0.98

00:01:42.000 I didn't have the money to go back home.

00:01:43.000 Oh my God.

00:01:44.000 We couldn't afford to go back home.

00:01:46.000 Oh my God.

00:01:46.000 And I didn't know that I had been passed at the mothership because I didn't know how the system worked.

00:01:51.000 So on the way in to go to Steubenville, where I was like, I'll figure something out, I stopped in at Austin to see Shane.

00:01:58.000 Shane said, Go and do the mothership open mic.

00:02:01.000 I did it.

00:02:02.000 Adam Egan said, If you're ever in town, come back.

00:02:03.000 We'll pay you for spots.

00:02:04.000 I didn't know that meant I was passed.

00:02:06.000 I didn't know I could work here.

00:02:08.000 Oh.

00:02:08.000 I just thought he was like, I could audition again.

00:02:11.000 And then, so I had three confronting months in the snow.

00:02:15.000 Beautiful part of the world.

00:02:16.000 It was the most terrified I've ever been in my life.

00:02:19.000 When I was an Australian, that's from Ohio.

00:02:19.000 He says that.

00:02:22.000 No, I loved it.

00:02:22.000 That's the most beautiful part of the world.

00:02:24.000 I went back and watched that Wild Whites of West Virginia. 1.00

00:02:24.000 I loved it. 1.00

00:02:26.000 Yeah, that's where you're at.

00:02:27.000 It looks exactly like that.

00:02:29.000 Well, that is gorgeous.

00:02:31.000 It's God's country, but also so abandoned by, like, the potholes are crazy.

00:02:39.000 I saw real heroin addicts.

00:02:41.000 I'd never really seen heroin addicts before.

00:02:43.000 Just sleepy people.

00:02:44.000 I saw street prostitutes.

00:02:46.000 That's still going on. 0.79

00:02:47.000 And this is a small town, right?

00:02:49.000 This is a small town.

00:02:49.000 This is, uh, I went there.

00:02:52.000 There are Catholics who have moved there to try and, like, fix it. 0.99

00:02:55.000 It was where Dean Martin was from. 1.00

00:02:57.000 The Wu Tang clan kind of started out there.

00:02:59.000 They're Staten Island. 0.71

00:03:00.000 No, yes, but I think it's like the Rizzas' auntie lived there and they moved out there and then they got involved in rap in the Pittsburgh.

00:03:08.000 I got to ask, Rizzas on real soon.

00:03:11.000 I believe I'm right about that. 0.96

00:03:12.000 They don't have a mural for them.

00:03:13.000 Wow.

00:03:14.000 Um, but it's great.

00:03:17.000 There's a lot of Catholic content creators there. 1.00

00:03:20.000 And they're trying to take over town. 0.99

00:03:22.000 I went there originally because New Polity is my favorite magazine.

00:03:26.000 And I got to meet the guys who made it.

00:03:27.000 I was so excited.

00:03:28.000 So, how did they hire you?

00:03:32.000 Wu Tang's Rizza found a second chance in Steubenville.

00:03:35.000 And then they all came over to visit him.

00:03:35.000 Wow.

00:03:38.000 He discussed a largely undocumented era of his life in which Pittsburgh played a role.

00:03:43.000 Wow.

00:03:45.000 And that's one of the first conversations we had.

00:03:47.000 I was like, You said something about Pittsburgh that wasn't flattering.

00:03:50.000 I said, I love Pittsburgh.

00:03:51.000 And you're like, you don't know anything. 1.00

00:03:53.000 You're a foreigner. 1.00

00:03:54.000 You don't know anything about America. 1.00

00:03:55.000 Pittsburgh is a horrible place.

00:03:57.000 I was like, I don't know.

00:03:58.000 I had a nice time there.

00:03:59.000 I thought it was good.

00:04:01.000 It's just a little depressing.

00:04:03.000 See, the thing about a lot of those sort of industrial kind of towns is there's not a ton of options for people.

00:04:14.000 No.

00:04:15.000 Pittsburgh, more so than the place that you were in, But, like, when you get to a place where there's not a lot of options and then you see real poverty, like, this is poverty with no solutions.

00:04:26.000 You know what I mean?

00:04:27.000 Not Pittsburgh.

00:04:27.000 You know, Pittsburgh is.

00:04:28.000 Oh, no, just outside of Pittsburgh.

00:04:29.000 I was more for sure with you.

00:04:30.000 No, I saw things in West Virginia that were pretty confronting.

00:04:37.000 And, like, you know, that are like caked.

00:04:38.000 And some of it's great.

00:04:39.000 Some of the things from the poverty are wonderful.

00:04:41.000 Drive through cigarette shop.

00:04:43.000 I loved having drive through cigarettes.

00:04:46.000 So, you know, just like trying to get the kids to sleep. 1.00

00:04:49.000 My wife's upset because I got her in a foreign. 1.00

00:04:51.000 Like, again, she never signed up. 1.00

00:04:53.000 Let's move to America.

00:04:54.000 She was like, we'll go for three months.

00:04:55.000 Right. 1.00

00:04:55.000 And then I was like, oh, fuck, I'm unemployed. 1.00

00:04:58.000 I better quickly figure out how to be a stand up comedian. 1.00

00:05:00.000 I was busing out of Steubenville.

00:05:05.000 I was like, I caught the Greyhound from Pittsburgh.

00:05:09.000 This is when I saw the worst stuff.

00:05:10.000 I got a lift to Pittsburgh and then I caught the Greyhound from Pittsburgh to Cleveland to open for Sam Talent, who let me open, who unbelievably let me open for Sam Talent.

00:05:19.000 He's the best.

00:05:20.000 I'd met him in Australia.

00:05:21.000 Such a good guy.

00:05:21.000 Yeah.

00:05:22.000 And uh, but like that bus trip from Pittsburgh to Cleveland was it, it was the most upsetting.

00:05:29.000 Oh man.

00:05:30.000 People were spitting on the ground at the bus station. 1.00

00:05:32.000 Like an illegal immigrant woman came and tried to give me a phone. 1.00

00:05:36.000 I remember that vividly. 1.00

00:05:37.000 Give you a phone?

00:05:38.000 She tried to give me a free phone.

00:05:40.000 She's like, you can have this because she said, you're on benefits.

00:05:44.000 Everyone on benefits gets a free phone.

00:05:46.000 It was some like policy.

00:05:47.000 She just assumed I was on benefits because I was at the Greyhound bus station. 1.00

00:05:51.000 And she was illegal? 1.00

00:05:52.000 I don't know if she was illegal, but she had a strong accent and like a weird dress and a baby on her back and a sack full of phones. 1.00

00:05:59.000 A sack full of phones. 1.00

00:06:00.000 She had like a sack of phones.

00:06:01.000 So she was somehow in charge of distributing free phones to people?

00:06:04.000 I'll never truly know what that was about.

00:06:07.000 Boy, I would have investigated further.

00:06:09.000 There was, I was scared. 1.00

00:06:12.000 They were like huge African guys sitting on the ground. 1.00

00:06:12.000 I was just scared. 1.00

00:06:15.000 Give me a phone.

00:06:17.000 And then after that, I sat next to a guy who was having a full psychotic episode.

00:06:21.000 I think we follow each other on Instagram now.

00:06:22.000 He's gotten rid of his Instagram.

00:06:24.000 But yeah, and he told me the secrets about Chris Benoit that he was a good man.

00:06:24.000 Really?

00:06:28.000 The wrestler? 0.70

00:06:29.000 He killed his family.

00:06:31.000 But this guy tried to tell me only he was.

00:06:31.000 Yeah.

00:06:33.000 It's like burnt.

00:06:34.000 He said he only killed his family to send them to God, and you can't blame a man for that.

00:06:38.000 Oh.

00:06:39.000 All right.

00:06:40.000 This is only a three hour bus trip.

00:06:42.000 We're going to get through this.

00:06:43.000 We're going to be fine.

00:06:44.000 Oh, boy.

00:06:45.000 But I did enjoy my time in that part of the world.

00:06:45.000 Oh, man.

00:06:48.000 Well, you probably enjoy it now that it's over, that you survived it.

00:06:52.000 You make a good point.

00:06:53.000 Yeah.

00:06:53.000 There's some things.

00:06:54.000 If you asked me at the time.

00:06:56.000 Yeah.

00:06:56.000 There's some things that are not fun while they're happening, but are really fun once you got through it.

00:07:01.000 I mean, I remember the people I met along the way.

00:07:05.000 I remember driving to Austin and like, it was like spring was starting.

00:07:10.000 Like, the further south we got, the more lush it became.

00:07:12.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:07:13.000 It was like, fuck, I might be okay. 0.99

00:07:15.000 And then someone let me stay in their house. 0.99

00:07:16.000 I didn't have a house to stay in.

00:07:17.000 So, my podcast listeners friend let us stay in there.

00:07:21.000 With your family?

00:07:22.000 With my whole family. 1.00

00:07:23.000 Let us house sit for them while they were in Japan. 1.00

00:07:25.000 Oh, my God. 0.92

00:07:26.000 That's crazy.

00:07:27.000 The whole time it was like, if I don't get past the mothership now, I don't think people should come here and live in their cars with their family.

00:07:35.000 But it does. 1.00

00:07:37.000 You know, lights a fire under your ass. 1.00

00:07:38.000 It worked. 1.00

00:07:39.000 Well, that's the thing.

00:07:40.000 It's like if you're forced into action, like you had no, not just yourself, like you could go, oh, woe is me.

00:07:47.000 But when you're a father and a husband, you have children.

00:07:51.000 Yeah.

00:07:51.000 And people who do not have children do not understand the drive that it gives you to protect and care for those little people.

00:08:00.000 It's kind of crazy.

00:08:01.000 So if you'll find something.

00:08:03.000 Well, I don't understand how people do it without, like, I'd meet men who are really driven and motivated.

00:08:07.000 And they have no kids, but they're like every day they're working.

00:08:11.000 I don't know what their motivation is.

00:08:12.000 Before I had kids, it was just.

00:08:15.000 What do you think I'm buying?

00:08:16.000 They're in a game.

00:08:18.000 They're playing a game.

00:08:19.000 Yeah, they're just playing this game of accumulate the most stuff, be able to brag about the most stuff you have.

00:08:19.000 No.

00:08:26.000 I'd so much rather lie down.

00:08:29.000 I would rather not do anything if I had a choice.

00:08:31.000 But not really, because you love doing comedy.

00:08:33.000 I love doing comedy, but I never, before I had kids, was trying to do comedy that people would enjoy.

00:08:39.000 Do you know what I mean?

00:08:40.000 I think that is also, though, because you were living in Australia and there's.

00:08:45.000 Limited options. 0.87

00:08:47.000 Right.

00:08:47.000 Can you explain the Australian system is very different than America?

00:08:50.000 It's mostly festival driven.

00:08:52.000 It's festival driven and it's to a much greater extent.

00:08:56.000 I've thought about this.

00:08:57.000 It's like industry driven.

00:08:59.000 Industry?

00:08:59.000 Yeah.

00:08:59.000 We don't have.

00:09:00.000 Which industry?

00:09:01.000 Like managers and agents, which is one role in Australia, but they are deciding who's succeeding and TV people are deciding who's succeeding.

00:09:09.000 Whereas in America, everybody is on the road, everybody has one or two openers, and there's a whole lineage of who brought who up in the business.

00:09:21.000 Dan Soda had Nick Mullen, Tim Dillon, and Shane Gillis open for him.

00:09:26.000 Like, those were his openers.

00:09:27.000 Right.

00:09:29.000 And not because they were successful or someone wanted them to thrive.

00:09:32.000 He just thought they were funny people.

00:09:33.000 And they got to be his openers.

00:09:33.000 Right.

00:09:35.000 And you, I don't know who you were opening for, but you have people who come up.

00:09:38.000 Well, I didn't really do it.

00:09:40.000 I didn't have it that way.

00:09:42.000 I do it that way, but I didn't have it that way.

00:09:44.000 I didn't really come up with anybody where I opened for anybody.

00:09:47.000 But I had a very weird path to success.

00:09:49.000 You also, you got to go to LA and just be in.

00:09:52.000 The million, like there's a scene there.

00:09:55.000 There's a lot of people.

00:09:55.000 I came out to LA with a job already.

00:09:57.000 Okay.

00:09:58.000 I was on a sitcom already.

00:09:59.000 You started in Boston, though.

00:10:01.000 Yes.

00:10:01.000 Started in Boston.

00:10:03.000 Look, it's very embarrassing how lucky I am.

00:10:07.000 I'm like one of the luckiest people that's ever lived.

00:10:09.000 Like, it's stumble upon success after success.

00:10:13.000 So, when I was six years into comedy, I was already on TV.

00:10:18.000 So, I was three years into comedy, I was basically barely getting paid.

00:10:23.000 I was barely a professional.

00:10:25.000 Like, I was getting some spots in bars and stuff like that.

00:10:29.000 I was making money, but I was driving limousines.

00:10:31.000 I was doing odd jobs, doing different things.

00:10:34.000 And I was also still teaching at the time.

00:10:36.000 I was still teaching Taekwondo for the first maybe six months or so when I was 21.

00:10:47.000 I think I kept teaching.

00:10:48.000 And then I eventually had to quit because I realized I could not commit to doing both things.

00:10:53.000 I don't want to half ass my students.

00:10:55.000 And I don't want to have. 1.00

00:10:55.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:10:57.000 So, for the first two, three years of comedy, barely, you know, I'm barely a comedian.

00:11:03.000 Just, I'm trying.

00:11:04.000 I'm trying to do it.

00:11:05.000 I'm getting some laughs.

00:11:06.000 Met a manager as an open micer.

00:11:09.000 And he brought me to New York.

00:11:11.000 And he's still my manager today.

00:11:13.000 Wow.

00:11:14.000 The best.

00:11:14.000 I didn't know that.

00:11:15.000 Yeah.

00:11:15.000 It's total luck.

00:11:17.000 Total luck.

00:11:17.000 You're also a super handsome guy.

00:11:20.000 I've seen you then.

00:11:21.000 I was boy pretty. 1.00

00:11:22.000 You look like a fucking different person, first of all. 0.99

00:11:24.000 Not worse. 0.99

00:11:26.000 But also, a lot of those comics who you started with.

00:11:26.000 It is crazy.

00:11:29.000 Who maybe took longer, I won't say hideous, but they didn't look.

00:11:32.000 Well, that definitely helped me get on television.

00:11:34.000 It definitely helped me get on television.

00:11:36.000 So I did the MTV Half Hour Comedy Hour in 1993, I believe it was.

00:11:42.000 And next thing you know, I had a development deal.

00:11:44.000 Next thing you know, I was on a sitcom and living out here.

00:11:46.000 I mean, that was fast.

00:11:47.000 But do you think it doesn't happen for people?

00:11:49.000 Do you think there's anyone in America who has a good work ethic and is really talented that it doesn't work out for in comedy?

00:11:56.000 Or does it work out in business?

00:11:57.000 You'd have to have a health issue.

00:11:59.000 Health issues or a really horrible relationship. 0.91

00:12:02.000 Those things could do you.

00:12:03.000 Or, like, you could have a drug problem. 0.69

00:12:04.000 That'll do you in.

00:12:04.000 Yeah.

00:12:05.000 Gamble your money away.

00:12:06.000 That could do you in, too.

00:12:08.000 Yeah.

00:12:08.000 There's a bunch of things that can do you in.

00:12:08.000 Yeah.

00:12:10.000 But it's crazy.

00:12:11.000 Like, the.

00:12:12.000 There are like not a lot of undiscovered geniuses in America in the same way.

00:12:17.000 Like, people will want to make money off of you if you've got it.

00:12:20.000 Yeah, but there's some people that are just really horrible at marketing, like Brian Holtzman, for instance.

00:12:26.000 Yeah.

00:12:27.000 Right?

00:12:27.000 We had to kind of like force Brian Holtzman into the modern era.

00:12:32.000 Yes.

00:12:33.000 Like, and he's always been a comics comic, and he's always been a guy that we would all sit in the back of the room at the store and watch.

00:12:41.000 But he was always getting these terrible spots.

00:12:43.000 And it wasn't until we brought him because he never went on the road.

00:12:46.000 He never went on the road.

00:12:46.000 Brian and I started out together.

00:12:48.000 So at the store together in '94, we're both like, I think he came in '93, and I came a year later.

00:12:55.000 And he was working for like Pan Am or something?

00:12:57.000 He was a dog catcher for a while.

00:12:59.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:13:00.000 He was, I think he might have been a meter maid. 0.98

00:13:02.000 Is he here at the moment?

00:13:03.000 I haven't seen him yet.

00:13:04.000 Yes, he's here all the time.

00:13:05.000 He lives out here.

00:13:05.000 Okay.

00:13:06.000 I don't know if he goes back and forth, but he lives out here all the time.

00:13:10.000 I, uh, he's the best.

00:13:11.000 We, I went to church with him.

00:13:13.000 I don't know if I should tell this story, but we went to church together once.

00:13:17.000 And it was really lovely.

00:13:18.000 He took me out for breakfast afterwards because he's Catholic.

00:13:20.000 And it was so funny because the priest at the end gave the announcements.

00:13:24.000 And one of the things he was like, they're doing a parish.

00:13:25.000 They're doing like, what do you call it?

00:13:29.000 Like a talent show for everybody.

00:13:31.000 And he's just announcing this to the whole, like 300 people.

00:13:33.000 And Brian goes there every week.

00:13:34.000 They go, So if anyone's got a skill, if anyone's a juggler, anyone's a comedian, come and do that for the talent show for everybody.

00:13:41.000 And he gave no impression that he would be doing it. 1.00

00:13:44.000 But I'd be like, You fucking spoon faced Japs. 1.00

00:13:46.000 And he would be terrified and upset if he had brought that. 1.00

00:13:50.000 He's the sweetest man, and I don't want to give that away if people don't know.

00:13:53.000 He's a gentleman.

00:13:53.000 He's a lovely man.

00:13:54.000 He's a great guy in real life.

00:13:56.000 He always was.

00:13:57.000 Always was.

00:13:57.000 Like, I've known him forever.

00:14:01.000 So, he's what I would say is like an undiscovered genius because he was a guy that was just fucking killing it, but never went on the road. 0.96

00:14:07.000 He only worked the store. 0.86

00:14:09.000 I rarely saw him even at like the Laugh Factory or the improv.

00:14:13.000 I don't know if I could ever recall seeing him at those places.

00:14:17.000 But he had to consciously make the decision not to go on the road.

00:14:21.000 Well, it's hard because it's not offered to you.

00:14:25.000 You know, it's like, how do you do it?

00:14:27.000 If you just do all your sets at the store, you kind of have to have someone take you with them, right?

00:14:33.000 So, what happened with me is I mostly did the road around New York and Connecticut.

00:14:39.000 So, when I moved to New York in, I guess, a 91 ish.

00:14:43.000 Yeah, so probably like 91 ish.

00:14:45.000 And so, when I moved there, the real money, like to be able to pay bills, was in the road.

00:14:51.000 It was not in New York City.

00:14:53.000 New York City did not pay bills.

00:14:54.000 Pay very well.

00:14:55.000 You can get a lot of spots, but also I was really new, so maybe I couldn't have gotten a lot of spots, but I could get a lot of spots doing gigs for like John Shuler.

00:15:04.000 He had a whole Connecticut run that you could do.

00:15:06.000 They were great gigs.

00:15:07.000 They'd pay like 300 bucks a night.

00:15:09.000 Or you could do Gonzo at a bunch in New Jersey, and those paid really well.

00:15:14.000 Did this collapse at some point?

00:15:15.000 No, there's still probably some sort of a network of road shows.

00:15:21.000 Louis has a story on someone's podcast about like crashing his motorcycle and then.

00:15:24.000 Like a bubble bursting.

00:15:25.000 I don't know if he was speaking.

00:15:27.000 A bubble bursting?

00:15:28.000 He was like, comedy, all of a sudden, clubs started to close.

00:15:32.000 Well, there's been ups and downs with that.

00:15:35.000 There was, I came in to comedy in 88, and apparently in 84 in Boston, it was even better.

00:15:43.000 Like there was like a peak in Boston.

00:15:43.000 Yeah.

00:15:44.000 I'm like, really?

00:15:45.000 Like, because when I came in, it was amazing.

00:15:46.000 There were clubs everywhere.

00:15:48.000 Like, nah, you missed it.

00:15:49.000 So there's always been this like up and down of clubs closing and clubs.

00:15:54.000 But like New York is on the rise right now, there's a bunch of clubs that have opened up in New York. 0.88

00:15:59.000 New York's comedy right now is fucking doing great. 0.86

00:16:01.000 I hope, yeah, I hope they can figure it out. 0.97

00:16:03.000 What do you mean?

00:16:04.000 Well, I was in, last time I was in LA, the spirit was so, I was never in LA for it being great, but I've heard all the stories about everyone's sports car at the back of the thing and there's this gig and that gig.

00:16:15.000 And then I was, everybody like has no sense that it's ever going to work for them.

00:16:19.000 Like, no one's even bothered to, there's like three podcasts in LA now that people are doing.

00:16:24.000 I don't want to talk it down, but like here, everybody is so hopeful in Austin.

00:16:27.000 And I can look at like Peyton made it.

00:16:30.000 Like last night, I'm looking at that green room of like all of these people have money and are touring and they came here and they got to do it.

00:16:36.000 Like, and the hope and the adventure.

00:16:38.000 And when I was in LA, everyone was just.

00:16:41.000 You might have picked a bad night, but it's also like the comedy store has always been.

00:16:46.000 That seems like it's getting better.

00:16:47.000 Yeah, it is getting better.

00:16:48.000 Well, it's definitely getting better because Rose is running it now. 0.92

00:16:51.000 She's awesome.

00:16:52.000 But I think the comedy store has always been a top down vibe.

00:16:56.000 And if there was a bunch of like big name national acts that were really cool and fun to hang out with, then it was a great vibe.

00:17:04.000 And when they're gone, it always felt empty.

00:17:07.000 It always felt weird.

00:17:08.000 This is how it was with me in the 90s when I was there.

00:17:11.000 And I think that's how it is now.

00:17:13.000 We're all out here now.

00:17:14.000 Yeah.

00:17:14.000 You know, and it's like, and then people kind of feel abandoned.

00:17:17.000 So they feel sad.

00:17:19.000 You know, and then they get a little mad at you. 0.99

00:17:21.000 Like, oh, you think of fucking me doing it in Austin? 1.00

00:17:24.000 And so it develops a stupid rift, which is the dumbest thing ever. 1.00

00:17:27.000 We're all on the same team. 0.98

00:17:29.000 And also, you could work here too.

00:17:31.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:17:31.000 Like, it's so dumb. 0.99

00:17:32.000 Like, but the rift is a real thing. 0.98

00:17:34.000 But it's like you have to be around a bunch of people that are having a good time to have a good time.

00:17:34.000 Yeah.

00:17:39.000 You can't be the only person having a good time.

00:17:41.000 And the rift can be good.

00:17:42.000 The rift can motivate people to.

00:17:45.000 Have you seen Le Maire's Twitter?

00:17:47.000 No, what's he doing? 1.00

00:17:48.000 He's just going hard on New York people and saying, fuck all of them, and Austin's number one. 1.00

00:17:53.000 He's doing the same thing they were doing to him. 1.00

00:17:54.000 That's so silly. 1.00

00:17:56.000 New York is fucking crazy. 1.00

00:17:57.000 I think he gets very drunk. 1.00

00:17:58.000 The comedy is swinging. 0.98

00:17:59.000 There's so many great comics Norman and Soder and fucking Andrew Schultz. 0.54

00:18:04.000 David Tell's the best live.

00:18:06.000 I don't know anyone who's great comedians in New York.

00:18:08.000 I don't see how you could have kids.

00:18:11.000 Gaffigan raised all his kids there.

00:18:12.000 And he's like, yeah, and he's a super clean Catholic guy.

00:18:17.000 I don't know how he's got some money.

00:18:17.000 Yeah.

00:18:18.000 First of all, he's got some money.

00:18:20.000 Money has got to help.

00:18:21.000 Send them to a nice place to go to school where they're not going to get eaten. 0.97

00:18:26.000 I think the trans thing is done in the schools. 1.00

00:18:30.000 Yeah, it's dropped off significantly.

00:18:32.000 I had really, because we were homeschooling, and I was just aware, because my dad's a teacher, and he would say, I don't want to get him in trouble, but he would report that the numbers were developing.

00:18:44.000 And I think as a social phenomenon, it seems to have like.

00:18:47.000 Now, everyone just says they have an anxiety disorder.

00:18:49.000 Well, you know when it dropped off, like noticeably?

00:18:53.000 When Elon bought Twitter.

00:18:53.000 When?

00:18:55.000 We just stopped pumping the content to say it's good.

00:18:57.000 All of a sudden, you could say whatever you wanted.

00:19:00.000 And so you could make fun of it now.

00:19:00.000 Yeah.

00:19:02.000 And then people realize, oh, this is a completely falsely propped up narrative.

00:19:08.000 What's up?

00:19:08.000 Do you smoke cigars?

00:19:09.000 I quit all nicotine.

00:19:12.000 You have.

00:19:13.000 Do you have alcohol?

00:19:14.000 I can get you some alcohol.

00:19:14.000 I have a drink.

00:19:15.000 All right.

00:19:16.000 If I could have a whiskey.

00:19:18.000 I quit all nicotine.

00:19:19.000 What happened?

00:19:21.000 I was having heart palpitations.

00:19:23.000 I was doing it a lot.

00:19:25.000 I had a problem.

00:19:26.000 I cannot do a little bit.

00:19:29.000 I see, you'll just, like, you'll be backstage.

00:19:30.000 You'll have one cigarette and you're fine.

00:19:33.000 Yeah.

00:19:33.000 I can't.

00:19:34.000 And I never smoke outside of right before a show.

00:19:37.000 I don't, I mean, I, but I'm.

00:19:39.000 All power to you.

00:19:40.000 I know how to shut things off and I also regulate.

00:19:40.000 I can't do that.

00:19:44.000 Like, I realize, like, when I have an issue, like the nicotine pouches, I can just stop them.

00:19:50.000 I've gone on vacation and just not take them and I'm fine.

00:19:53.000 I think, but I think it's my biology.

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00:21:02.000 I was quitting going back when I went back to Australia and I came off nicotine at the same time.

00:21:08.000 I think that was the closest to serious, unpleasant.

00:21:11.000 I don't think I ever got through to abusive, but man, there was a lot of shouting at the family.

00:21:11.000 Really?

00:21:15.000 What the fuck are you doing? 1.00

00:21:17.000 Put it down! 1.00

00:21:19.000 I was not a happy person.

00:21:20.000 How long did it last?

00:21:22.000 It was for a month.

00:21:23.000 I was real bad.

00:21:25.000 Wow, real bad.

00:21:26.000 That's crazy for me.

00:21:28.000 Um, I don't know what it is, man.

00:21:30.000 I just could just put it alone, leave it alone, and I'm fine.

00:21:33.000 And I monitored myself like I went on vacation for like eight days with the family.

00:21:38.000 I said, All right, no nicotine pouches.

00:21:38.000 Nice.

00:21:39.000 Let's see what happens.

00:21:41.000 See if I go crazy.

00:21:41.000 You were fine.

00:21:42.000 Yeah, I was waiting.

00:21:44.000 Nothing, nothing hip.

00:21:45.000 Nothing.

00:21:47.000 Was it you with the pouches?

00:21:48.000 Was the pouches?

00:21:48.000 I loved the pouches, and also, I mean, I got on the pouches to get.

00:21:53.000 Off the cigarettes, and then I had to go on the cigarettes to get off the pouches.

00:21:56.000 Then I was having cigarettes and pouches and the gun, and my heart would start to go, and my mood would like go way up and way down.

00:22:05.000 Wow.

00:22:06.000 I got a lot done.

00:22:06.000 But it was great.

00:22:07.000 See, I get addicted to things, like doing things, like real bad.

00:22:13.000 I used to get addicted to archery, sure, but the thing about archery is you can only do it so much.

00:22:19.000 Archery is good because it's, you know, my bow is 80 pounds to pull back.

00:22:24.000 And so, if I'm pulling it back, and I have another one that's 90.

00:22:24.000 Yeah.

00:22:27.000 And so, when I'm pulling it back, 80 pounds, you can only do that so many times. 0.97

00:22:31.000 You know, I could do that maybe 100 times in a day, and my fucking shoulder's blown out. 0.97

00:22:36.000 If you're hunting, though, I mean, you're not shooting very often, but you wouldn't be able to get so tired that if you got in a dangerous situation, you'd be able to shoot. 0.99

00:22:43.000 No, no, no, no.

00:22:44.000 When you're hunting, first of all, you're jacked up with adrenaline. 1.00

00:22:48.000 Like you could pull a branch off a fucking tree. 0.99

00:22:50.000 You're so jacked up with adrenaline, you're just trying to stay calm. 1.00

00:22:54.000 Like when you're about to pull your bow, the bow pulls back effortlessly.

00:22:58.000 It's like, zh.

00:22:59.000 It's like you don't even notice that it's, it pulls back so easy.

00:23:03.000 You're so ramped up.

00:23:04.000 You're not even thinking.

00:23:05.000 How often are you doing that?

00:23:06.000 Bow hunting?

00:23:07.000 Yeah.

00:23:07.000 Seriously, only a couple times a year.

00:23:10.000 Okay.

00:23:10.000 Because I'm elk hunting, you know.

00:23:12.000 Seasonal?

00:23:12.000 And if I get an elk.

00:23:14.000 Okay.

00:23:14.000 It's September.

00:23:14.000 Yes.

00:23:15.000 September and October.

00:23:17.000 Those are the times.

00:23:17.000 But in Texas, we hunt pigs sometimes.

00:23:20.000 We have a lease out here.

00:23:21.000 So we'll go and hunt with a few of my friends from Archery Country.

00:23:24.000 Shout out to Tyler.

00:23:27.000 And my friend Evan from Black Rifle Coffee. 0.74

00:23:29.000 Is it wild pigs?

00:23:29.000 We'll go out there.

00:23:30.000 Oh, they're everywhere.

00:23:32.000 Okay. 0.82

00:23:32.000 They're infested with wild pigs, they are all over Texas. 0.82

00:23:35.000 Oh, thank you.

00:23:36.000 There's millions of them.

00:23:38.000 Like, literally millions of them.

00:23:39.000 Like, one time they opened up a highway.

00:23:41.000 Like, they built this new highway. 0.98

00:23:43.000 And the day it opened up, they had, like, this fucking ridiculous amount of accidents because people were hitting wild pigs. 0.96

00:23:50.000 Because there were so many wild pigs out there that they're just crashing into them on the road with this new highway. 0.96

00:23:55.000 Well, yeah, exactly.

00:23:55.000 Because the pigs had never seen cars before on this spot because they hadn't finished the road yet.

00:24:00.000 And then all of a sudden, there's cars everywhere and these wild pigs are just getting fucking. 0.99

00:24:04.000 What did they. 0.99

00:24:05.000 Because in Australia, when they have a kangaroo problem and a similar thing, cheers, God bless, thank you. 1.00

00:24:09.000 God bless. 1.00

00:24:12.000 They gatling gun them from the sky.

00:24:13.000 Have you seen that?

00:24:14.000 They do that here.

00:24:15.000 They do that here out of helicopters.

00:24:18.000 You could do it if you want while you're in town.

00:24:20.000 I'll set it up.

00:24:20.000 You know, I would do it this way.

00:24:22.000 I would feel guilty.

00:24:24.000 Yeah, that would seem not a sporting way to start hunting, would be to machine gun.

00:24:28.000 Because it's a necessity hunting, right?

00:24:28.000 Yeah.

00:24:31.000 I want to eat what I kill. 0.98

00:24:33.000 If I kill something, I want to eat it. 0.98

00:24:35.000 And the thing about these wild pigs is they're gunning down 20, 30, 40 of them in a day. 0.93

00:24:35.000 Yeah. 0.93

00:24:39.000 Yeah.

00:24:40.000 They're doing them out of helicopters with machine guns.

00:24:43.000 There's a bunch of companies that do it.

00:24:44.000 There's a video of Ted Nugent and this guy named Pigman.

00:24:48.000 Pigman is like a famous bow hunter that lives in Texas.

00:24:52.000 And it's called Apocalypse Now.

00:24:55.000 And they're in a helicopter.

00:24:59.000 Ted Nugent and Pigman in a helicopter. 0.91

00:25:02.000 And they gunned down like 240 pigs in a half hour podcast.

00:25:06.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:25:06.000 Not podcast.

00:25:07.000 That would be a great podcast.

00:25:07.000 Hunting show.

00:25:09.000 He's called Pigman?

00:25:10.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:25:10.000 He's a pig killing person. 1.00

00:25:11.000 His name's Brian. 1.00

00:25:12.000 His name's Brian.

00:25:13.000 Sure.

00:25:13.000 It's Pigman.

00:25:14.000 Brian the Pigman. 0.99

00:25:15.000 He just kills a lot of wild pigs. 0.51

00:25:16.000 Yeah.

00:25:16.000 But it's a necessity out here.

00:25:18.000 Look at this. 0.98

00:25:19.000 But you have to understand how many pigs they have out here and the kind of damage. 0.99

00:25:24.000 That's Pig Man. 0.99

00:25:25.000 And the kind of damage that these pigs do to agriculture. 0.99

00:25:31.000 You know, they go through fences and they fuck up livestock, gets out. 1.00

00:25:37.000 And there's a lot of shit with these pigs. 1.00

00:25:39.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:25:39.000 Oh, it's crazy. 1.00

00:25:40.000 Is this the argument for bringing wolves back in?

00:25:43.000 No, do not bring wolves.

00:25:45.000 But I don't understand.

00:25:45.000 No, I'm against it.

00:25:47.000 What is the most pro?

00:25:49.000 Is there one sensible argument for bringing back in apex predators to.

00:25:54.000 Well, there's arguments for it.

00:25:57.000 You could make an argument for it.

00:25:59.000 The problem is you do not understand, no one understands what the ultimate result is going to be of introducing predators. 0.99

00:26:07.000 There is a very strong reason why they eradicated wolves from the West Coast and from the United States because they fucking kill everything. 0.99

00:26:14.000 They're super smart apex predators. 0.99

00:26:16.000 They work in packs unlike any other animal, they're very different. 0.99

00:26:21.000 And they kill everything, and you can't do shit about them, and they kill people. 0.95

00:26:24.000 Also, like in the UK, they got rid of them hundreds of years ago. 0.99

00:26:27.000 This was like they celebrated it.

00:26:29.000 They got rid of them in America, too.

00:26:30.000 They got rid of them in America, too.

00:26:31.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:26:31.000 I mean, and now these fucking greenies, these softies that really don't understand nature, want to bring them back. 1.00

00:26:38.000 So, there's a good argument in some ways that having some predators would help. 1.00

00:26:44.000 But the predators were slowly moving their way back into these areas anyway.

00:26:50.000 So, they never eradicated them from Canada.

00:26:52.000 So they would come down from Canada and make their way into Minnesota, make their way into Iowa, make their way into, not Iowa, Idaho, Wyoming, Montana.

00:27:03.000 They had like a small amount of wolves were kind of making their way in.

00:27:07.000 Then they reintroduced a bunch of them into Montana in the 1990s, into Yellowstone.

00:27:13.000 That changed everything.

00:27:14.000 That changed everything.

00:27:15.000 It dropped the elk population down to like 40% of what it used to be, which many people argue is actually a good thing because there was no Predators, in terms of like, there's mountain lions, but mountain lions don't kill that many elk.

00:27:30.000 They'll kill one like a week.

00:27:32.000 Like, families go to Yellowstone.

00:27:35.000 So now there's just wolves.

00:27:35.000 Yeah.

00:27:37.000 Yeah, but the wolves aren't out fucking with the people at Yellowstone.

00:27:40.000 They really are just concentrating on the animals and they've like really knocked down the elk population substantially.

00:27:46.000 But now they have an open hunting season on wolves in Montana because the numbers got a lot higher than they should be.

00:27:54.000 Right.

00:27:54.000 So now, like, I know guys who hunt wolves.

00:27:57.000 And they go on wolf.

00:27:58.000 It's very difficult.

00:27:59.000 I was going to say, it sounds more dangerous and more pleasant than hunting elk.

00:28:03.000 Well, it is dangerous in that it is a predator. 0.99

00:28:06.000 And if you do get surrounded by them, they decide to eat you and you're out of bullets, you could be fucked. 0.99

00:28:11.000 But for the most part, they're very difficult to hunt. 0.99

00:28:13.000 They're very difficult to find.

00:28:15.000 They're also very difficult to get in range. 0.99

00:28:17.000 They're fucking clever. 0.99

00:28:19.000 And once they realize they're being hunted and once they realize that people are a problem, they fucking steer way clearer. 0.99

00:28:19.000 They're clever. 0.99

00:28:25.000 What's the ideological reason for wanting them back?

00:28:27.000 Just that they.

00:28:29.000 It's good to be in a country.

00:28:29.000 I love nature.

00:28:31.000 I love nature.

00:28:31.000 Yeah, but focus on the bees, you know?

00:28:34.000 Well, red flowers.

00:28:36.000 There's people that don't like hunting, and for people that don't like hunting, they want nature to balance itself out.

00:28:42.000 So the people that don't like the idea of humans killing and eating animals, they don't like them going out into the wild and killing wild animals, so they want something else to kill those wild animals.

00:28:51.000 So then they bring in mountain lions, or then they bring in wolves, and then they think that nature is going to sort itself out. 0.99

00:28:58.000 It's a dumb argument. 0.99

00:29:00.000 I don't understand why it has to do it. 1.00

00:29:01.000 Why is it okay for them to.

00:29:03.000 This is the vegetarian argument that I never understand: is that death occurs in nature.

00:29:08.000 Animals are eating other animals.

00:29:09.000 Right.

00:29:10.000 So if it's wrong to kill and eat animals, should we intervene?

00:29:14.000 Right. 0.99

00:29:14.000 Should we kill all the mountain lions to keep them from killing other animals? 0.99

00:29:16.000 Vegan fox was one of my favorite bits that you ever did. 0.96

00:29:19.000 Oh, vegan cat.

00:29:21.000 No, is it not fox?

00:29:22.000 Do you know what I'm talking about?

00:29:23.000 No, it's about.

00:29:23.000 And it's very sick.

00:29:25.000 But it literally is a true story.

00:29:27.000 Yeah. 0.93

00:29:27.000 Like this lady was saying mean things to me on. 0.93

00:29:30.000 Twitter or Instagram, and I saw one of the things on her page.

00:29:34.000 I went to her page, it said hashtag vegan cat, and I was like, no.

00:29:38.000 And so then I clicked on it, and it's all cats that look like they've been stuck in a house with a gas leak.

00:29:43.000 Wait, maybe that got me started searching vegan animals because vegan fox, I definitely read a lot about after that.

00:29:49.000 Yeah, there's people that have vegan dogs, they feed their dogs, but you're basically, you can kind of get away with it a little bit with a dog, but cats are what's called obligate predators.

00:29:59.000 They only eat meat.

00:30:00.000 They're obligated to prey?

00:30:02.000 Yeah, they only eat meat.

00:30:03.000 That's all they eat.

00:30:05.000 That's it.

00:30:06.000 They're just predators.

00:30:07.000 They're full on murderous machines.

00:30:10.000 Like house cats are some of the most murderous creatures on earth.

00:30:14.000 They kill billions of mammals.

00:30:16.000 Yeah, as soon as you die.

00:30:17.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:30:17.000 As soon as you die. 0.99

00:30:18.000 Because dogs will give you an afternoon. 0.98

00:30:20.000 Not weeks?

00:30:21.000 I thought dogs give you just a little head start.

00:30:24.000 It depends on how starving they are.

00:30:26.000 You know, if they're starving to death, their instincts kick in and they'll eat you.

00:30:30.000 But cats just start eating you.

00:30:32.000 They're like, oh, look, eyeballs.

00:30:33.000 Hmm.

00:30:36.000 We're yet to get an animal.

00:30:39.000 You have dogs.

00:30:41.000 You have one dog, two dogs.

00:30:42.000 Two dogs.

00:30:43.000 And you don't run the Instagram pages for these animals?

00:30:45.000 Someone's running the dogs on the Instagram page.

00:30:47.000 Really?

00:30:48.000 Yeah.

00:30:49.000 So we got a little guy named Charlie.

00:30:51.000 He is a King Charles Cavalier Spaniel.

00:30:55.000 Yeah.

00:30:56.000 This is the furthest animal away from wolf that is possible because they all came from wolves.

00:31:01.000 But he's the furthest from wolf.

00:31:03.000 He's this big.

00:31:04.000 He's adorable.

00:31:05.000 You feel like wearing the big wig and the stockings and holding him in your.

00:31:08.000 I always wanted to be King Charles.

00:31:09.000 I just give him kisses.

00:31:11.000 He's a sweetie, though.

00:31:12.000 It's not yours, but.

00:31:13.000 That's what they look like.

00:31:14.000 Yeah.

00:31:15.000 That's what they look like.

00:31:16.000 I mean, come on, look at that face.

00:31:18.000 They're just so sweet.

00:31:19.000 They're so happy to be around you, and they're just so loving.

00:31:22.000 And they, like, he makes sounds like a person, like he was doing something, like he was licking all this water that was coming off of a drain.

00:31:30.000 And I go, hey, stop doing that.

00:31:31.000 And I picked it up, and he went, ah.

00:31:34.000 He makes you a heart liking that dog.

00:31:35.000 Oh, I love that.

00:31:36.000 But they don't make me feel sad.

00:31:38.000 They're a little dog who look interesting.

00:31:40.000 That's Charlie.

00:31:40.000 Oh, that's him.

00:31:41.000 That's him?

00:31:42.000 Yeah, that's Charlie.

00:31:42.000 Pugs make me very sad.

00:31:43.000 I think about pugs a lot.

00:31:45.000 And they upset me.

00:31:47.000 And the long dogs, like the sausage dogs with the back problems. 0.93

00:31:50.000 Anything that looks like it, it's ready to die.

00:31:53.000 No, no, I know what you mean.

00:31:54.000 I know what you mean.

00:31:55.000 Like a golden retriever is great.

00:31:56.000 Yeah, I'll have one of those too.

00:31:58.000 Yeah, it's my favorite.

00:31:59.000 Those two dogs are great.

00:32:00.000 This is not like a pug.

00:32:02.000 They're very active.

00:32:03.000 They're really, they're very.

00:32:05.000 It's like a water dog. 1.00

00:32:06.000 It's a fucking dog that's just like a house dog. 1.00

00:32:09.000 They're just like a little love machine, just a little pet. 1.00

00:32:14.000 He's a sweet, sweet little guy.

00:32:15.000 Like he's the best.

00:32:16.000 He's so nice.

00:32:17.000 It was like so, and he just relentlessly tortures my dog, Marshall.

00:32:22.000 Yeah.

00:32:22.000 The big dog?

00:32:23.000 Who's the most tolerant dog on earth.

00:32:25.000 He just lays there, and the puppy's like, ah, like biting him and biting his ear.

00:32:29.000 He's a year old.

00:32:30.000 Okay.

00:32:31.000 So we've had him for whatever, eight months, I guess.

00:32:34.000 Like how many months they give him to you?

00:32:35.000 Three months old, something like that.

00:32:37.000 How old are puppies when you get them?

00:32:39.000 Yeah, they should be, I think, eight weeks old, I think, man.

00:32:41.000 Yeah.

00:32:42.000 So we probably had him for 10 months. 0.97

00:32:43.000 He's fucking adorable. 0.99

00:32:45.000 You cannot travel with a dog to Australia. 1.00

00:32:46.000 No.

00:32:47.000 You have to get him all kinds of shots.

00:32:48.000 Shouldn't get tried.

00:32:50.000 Yeah, he got in big trouble for that, right?

00:32:51.000 I think that was the beginning of the end of that marriage.

00:32:54.000 I think it was from the moment he said, let's get married.

00:32:57.000 They were happy until that dog problem.

00:33:00.000 But the guy who.

00:33:02.000 There was a politician who stopped Johnny Depp. 0.73

00:33:05.000 He came out and said, we're going to destroy his dogs.

00:33:07.000 And then everyone made fun of him in America.

00:33:09.000 But that guy is now doing.

00:33:10.000 He's like big in the emergent populist right in Australia over the last six months.

00:33:16.000 He wanted to kill Johnny Depp's dogs?

00:33:18.000 Yeah, he's a great speaker. 0.67

00:33:19.000 He was like, I don't care if you are People Magazine's sexiest man of the year.

00:33:22.000 Get your dogs out.

00:33:24.000 Why?

00:33:24.000 What's the big deal?

00:33:26.000 We have no rabies.

00:33:29.000 We're very precious about the border.

00:33:30.000 That's all we've got.

00:33:31.000 His name is Barnaby Joyce. 0.59

00:33:32.000 He is sick.

00:33:33.000 Demand that dogs leave the country within 48 to 50 hours or be put down, citing strict quarantine laws designed to protect diseases like rabies.

00:33:41.000 But here's the thing just test them.

00:33:43.000 How much does it cost to test a dog for rabies?

00:33:45.000 It's probably pretty quick.

00:33:46.000 Barnaby Joyce drunk.

00:33:48.000 So this is not long after that.

00:33:50.000 An issue with the pistol and boo.

00:33:52.000 Yeah, go Barnaby Joyce drunk.

00:33:53.000 They caught him on the streets of our lake, of Canberra, which is where the capital is.

00:33:58.000 And he was just passed out in the street.

00:34:00.000 He's like, there he is down the bottom.

00:34:04.000 The bottom one.

00:34:05.000 Yeah.

00:34:06.000 Yeah.

00:34:06.000 The bottom one.

00:34:07.000 But he's just lying on the street.

00:34:13.000 When was it?

00:34:14.000 It wasn't that long ago.

00:34:17.000 Joyce.

00:34:18.000 That man was in the government.

00:34:22.000 Good.

00:34:23.000 It's a safe place to live.

00:34:23.000 What's wrong?

00:34:25.000 I was walking back to my accommodations after Parliament rose at 10 p.m.

00:34:29.000 Oh, that's all he was doing.

00:34:30.000 Just walking back to his accommodations.

00:34:32.000 I do like him a lot.

00:34:34.000 Look, he's just taking a nap.

00:34:35.000 He's just chilling.

00:34:37.000 We have a strong chill.

00:34:38.000 It's going to be a long walk.

00:34:39.000 Yeah, man.

00:34:40.000 Give the guy a break.

00:34:41.000 It's kicking.

00:34:41.000 We're finally, we were the last country to have like a right wing populist thing happen.

00:34:46.000 You guys had the Trump, and then England is having it happen with, like, in a big way.

00:34:51.000 It's really starting to swing there.

00:34:53.000 So it's swinging right now.

00:34:54.000 It's for the first time.

00:34:55.000 It's starting up, yeah.

00:34:56.000 And what's causing that?

00:34:57.000 Terrorist attack was not good.

00:34:59.000 Yeah.

00:35:00.000 And then also running out of petrol really has upset people.

00:35:04.000 We don't have, we don't make our own gas.

00:35:04.000 Yeah.

00:35:07.000 We had two refineries, one of them accidentally blew up.

00:35:11.000 A week ago.

00:35:11.000 Do you think it accidentally blew up?

00:35:13.000 I have no comment to make on that.

00:35:15.000 What do you think, though?

00:35:15.000 No, I think probably someone seems like real bad luck.

00:35:19.000 Seems like it.

00:35:20.000 I mean, they would have been doing it at like max capacity.

00:35:22.000 Maybe they did it past when it was safe, but it's not.

00:35:25.000 I thought I wasn't going to make it out of the country because you're out of gas.

00:35:28.000 Flights started to get cancelled.

00:35:30.000 Yeah.

00:35:30.000 So I made it.

00:35:31.000 We'll see if I can get back.

00:35:32.000 And if not, well, I'll just stay in Austin for another couple of months and get back.

00:35:36.000 I'm sorry, honey.

00:35:37.000 Just we've got a lot of spots.

00:35:38.000 There's no choice.

00:35:40.000 I'm not going to get out of the country.

00:35:41.000 I know you work here.

00:35:42.000 It is so nice getting to do it.

00:35:44.000 It is so nice having a club.

00:35:47.000 It's like there's four cities in the world where you can do it.

00:35:49.000 I think about this a lot.

00:35:51.000 There's nowhere, like in America, there's three, and that'd be London.

00:35:54.000 That's it.

00:35:56.000 That's it.

00:35:56.000 That you can what?

00:35:57.000 That there's like multiple rooms with lineup shows every night of the week.

00:36:02.000 Right.

00:36:02.000 So people can just go and run 10, 15 minutes.

00:36:05.000 Yeah.

00:36:05.000 And like at a good room with people who are.

00:36:07.000 And get paid.

00:36:08.000 And get paid.

00:36:08.000 Yeah.

00:36:09.000 I mean, you need all of those factors to be able to do it. 0.98

00:36:11.000 And you also need a fucking mate of how. 0.98

00:36:13.000 You need a mate of how. 0.99

00:36:14.000 Yes.

00:36:14.000 This is one of the things that we were talking about last night in the green room.

00:36:17.000 Like, You know, me and Ari, Ari Schfer's in town.

00:36:20.000 And we were saying you can't be like the best comic in the world and just live in a small town in, you know, Cincinnati.

00:36:30.000 It's like it doesn't exist.

00:36:32.000 By yourself, it doesn't exist.

00:36:33.000 Comedy doesn't exist from a town.

00:36:35.000 In a little town in Arizona, and the pressure seems to have driven that comedy club owner right over the edge.

00:36:41.000 Oh, yeah.

00:36:42.000 That's amazing.

00:36:42.000 Stanhope's boy?

00:36:43.000 But that guy was crazy already, right?

00:36:45.000 I didn't know a thing about it.

00:36:46.000 I just saw him give the speech.

00:36:47.000 Well, if he's hanging with Stanhope.

00:36:49.000 You know, Stanhope tends to collect some people that are on the fringe.

00:36:53.000 I'm not blaming Doug Stanhope.

00:36:54.000 But that's a different scene, right?

00:36:55.000 Like, Stanhope, you know, was just kind of being out there by himself, and it didn't even have a comedy club for the longest time while he lived there.

00:37:02.000 It wasn't like there was a whole comedy scene there in Bisbee.

00:37:05.000 Is it like 20,000 people?

00:37:06.000 It's very small.

00:37:07.000 He knows everybody, right?

00:37:07.000 Yeah.

00:37:09.000 But the Austin thing was very different.

00:37:11.000 Like, we were stuck here.

00:37:15.000 There was not a lot of options.

00:37:16.000 We could have gone to Houston, could have gone to Dallas, maybe Nashville, maybe Florida.

00:37:21.000 There was no place else so that we would.

00:37:23.000 Allowed to do comedy.

00:37:24.000 Nashville is, would be the next one.

00:37:27.000 Literally trying.

00:37:27.000 Yeah.

00:37:28.000 Nashville's got Zanies, which is awesome.

00:37:30.000 That's a great club.

00:37:32.000 They have big, they got Theo there.

00:37:33.000 They've got Nate there.

00:37:34.000 Nate and Theo both live there.

00:37:36.000 But I don't know how many sets they're doing in town. 0.99

00:37:38.000 You know, Nate is doing fucking stadiums. 0.98

00:37:40.000 He's doing these giant places all over the world. 1.00

00:37:43.000 And Theo is killing it.

00:37:44.000 And he's got one of the best podcasts in the world.

00:37:46.000 But there are definitely, there are like Nashville comics who are coming out, who I see around the place who are doing really well.

00:37:50.000 Sure.

00:37:51.000 I'm sure there's a smaller scene.

00:37:53.000 But in terms of like a lot of work, yeah.

00:37:57.000 Austin's the spot right now because there's seven clubs on our street.

00:38:02.000 Hold on.

00:38:03.000 That's nuts.

00:38:04.000 Within a block radius, you've got Creek in the Cave, which is over on 7th.

00:38:09.000 You've got Sunset, which is right next to us.

00:38:12.000 You've got Black Rabbit.

00:38:13.000 You've got the Velveeta room. 0.97

00:38:13.000 I was going to say Black Rabbit. 0.97

00:38:16.000 Yes.

00:38:17.000 I'm going to count Shakespeare's next door.

00:38:18.000 Yeah.

00:38:19.000 I'll allow that. 0.91

00:38:20.000 They do comedy.

00:38:22.000 I do love the Velveeta room.

00:38:24.000 That place has been around forever.

00:38:26.000 It's been around forever. 0.78

00:38:27.000 And there's the gay cabaret next door.

00:38:29.000 I don't think it's expressly gay. 0.92

00:38:31.000 I just call it a gay cabaret. 0.79

00:38:31.000 You like going in there? 0.79

00:38:32.000 I went there one evening.

00:38:34.000 I was having a full mental breakdown.

00:38:36.000 I don't know why.

00:38:37.000 Just a classic, you know.

00:38:39.000 Out of nowhere?

00:38:40.000 You know, the kids, it's a lot of pressure.

00:38:42.000 Maybe the act wasn't working.

00:38:43.000 Maybe I've been on the road.

00:38:44.000 And I was down and I was depressed.

00:38:44.000 I don't know.

00:38:46.000 And I wandered into them doing their Esther's Follies show.

00:38:50.000 I just sat up the back and I had a piña colada.

00:38:52.000 And they were all like, there was a magician.

00:38:55.000 It was just a very camp magician.

00:38:57.000 And then they're singing like campy show tunes about the Supreme Court or something.

00:39:01.000 Like they're still doing SL style sketches.

00:39:03.000 And it was like. 0.97

00:39:05.000 You know, it was dumb and it was hokey, but it made me so happy. 0.99

00:39:08.000 Oh, that's nice. 0.98

00:39:08.000 Just to like have people having a good time, razzle dazzle, smiling. 0.98

00:39:13.000 There was no bitterness, happiness.

00:39:14.000 Yeah.

00:39:15.000 And it made me want to fix my act so that I wasn't, you know, like sometimes I feel like I get up there and I'm just like screaming and I look unpleasant.

00:39:20.000 And these people are like, you owe people a show.

00:39:23.000 Yes.

00:39:24.000 I don't think you look unpleasant.

00:39:24.000 You know?

00:39:26.000 You're just very self conscious.

00:39:27.000 No, I sometimes.

00:39:29.000 I did the Creek in the Cave last night and I did a lot of screaming into the abyss.

00:39:35.000 I was like, yeah.

00:39:38.000 Another great club. 0.98

00:39:39.000 Fucking great, great spot. 0.99

00:39:41.000 Creek in the Cave is a great club. 0.99

00:39:43.000 It's a fun place.

00:39:44.000 When it's packed, it's rocking.

00:39:47.000 And, you know, there's a lot of good comedy coming out of that.

00:39:50.000 I mean, that's where Shane filmed his specials.

00:39:51.000 New York is on the up again.

00:39:52.000 New York is finally.

00:39:53.000 Everybody that I talk to, all my friends from New York, I'll say that there's a lot of clubs opening.

00:39:58.000 There's a lot going on.

00:40:00.000 It's hopping.

00:40:01.000 Didn't they just open up an improv in Brooklyn?

00:40:05.000 Did they open up an improv in Brooklyn?

00:40:08.000 I know this.

00:40:08.000 Top secret comedy has just, like a London club has just moved there.

00:40:12.000 Interesting.

00:40:13.000 I don't know how it's going, but they're doing like a free model.

00:40:16.000 They were trying to do a UCB in Austin.

00:40:18.000 I don't know if that's still happening.

00:40:20.000 The problem with UCB is UCB in LA didn't pay at all.

00:40:25.000 Is this improv?

00:40:26.000 No.

00:40:27.000 Upright Citizen Brigade?

00:40:28.000 They have some improv, but they do stand up shows.

00:40:29.000 I thought that was in Second City.

00:40:30.000 I didn't know.

00:40:31.000 They do stand up shows.

00:40:32.000 Okay.

00:40:32.000 Yeah, but they don't pay you.

00:40:34.000 Which is crazy.

00:40:34.000 They don't pay?

00:40:36.000 There was a history of that at the store.

00:40:39.000 Sure.

00:40:40.000 There was like this big.

00:40:42.000 Protest.

00:40:43.000 What does it say?

00:40:44.000 Improv Brooklyn.

00:40:45.000 There you go.

00:40:45.000 That's a strong zoom.

00:40:47.000 Yeah, I think Joey said he was going there.

00:40:50.000 It's a completely new place.

00:40:52.000 I don't know if this is completely correct.

00:40:52.000 All right.

00:40:54.000 But this is what I'm saying.

00:40:55.000 It's like it's popping.

00:40:56.000 Somebody's coming back. 1.00

00:40:57.000 Some improvs are black and some are not. 0.96

00:41:00.000 What? 1.00

00:41:01.000 Like some improvs around the country are like just black. 1.00

00:41:04.000 What are you saying here? 1.00

00:41:04.000 If I look at the lineups. 1.00

00:41:05.000 I'm not saying here.

00:41:06.000 But like you said, I'm a racist foreigner. 0.98

00:41:08.000 In Cleveland, the improv is just a black club. 0.89

00:41:12.000 I've done the improv in Cleveland, I think. 0.94

00:41:14.000 It's a black club.

00:41:15.000 Really?

00:41:16.000 No negativity.

00:41:18.000 I like playing black clubs.

00:41:18.000 I like.

00:41:21.000 So it's Cleveland, that's one, it's close to Kentucky, right?

00:41:24.000 Am I getting this right?

00:41:25.000 Maybe it's Pittsburgh.

00:41:26.000 No, Pittsburgh's not, I've been in that place.

00:41:28.000 No, I've done that one as well.

00:41:29.000 I'm telling you, Pittsburgh's a great city up there as well. 0.97

00:41:32.000 I'm telling, well, Hilarities was the non racially. 0.66

00:41:36.000 Go back to that website real quick. 0.92

00:41:38.000 Look at all the different ones.

00:41:39.000 Wow.

00:41:39.000 There's not one in Cleveland.

00:41:41.000 There's a ton of them.

00:41:42.000 It's one of those fake clips, maybe it shut down.

00:41:44.000 So the other, there's a club in Cleveland.

00:41:47.000 There is a club in Cleveland that I went to way back in the day.

00:41:52.000 But it's really, you land in Kentucky.

00:41:54.000 And then you drive to Cleveland.

00:41:56.000 What?

00:41:57.000 Yeah.

00:41:57.000 No, Cincinnati.

00:41:59.000 Oh, is it Cincinnati?

00:42:00.000 Yeah, that makes more sense.

00:42:00.000 Okay, that's it.

00:42:02.000 You're right.

00:42:02.000 You need to drive out.

00:42:04.000 Ohio is more built up than people give credit before.

00:42:07.000 Three huge cities.

00:42:08.000 They got that chili that everybody loves.

00:42:10.000 Columbus is great.

00:42:11.000 Columbus is great.

00:42:12.000 Cincinnati has the most beautiful skyline.

00:42:14.000 You ever do the funny bone?

00:42:15.000 Columbus?

00:42:15.000 Yes.

00:42:15.000 Fucking great club.

00:42:16.000 The balcony? 1.00

00:42:17.000 Oh.

00:42:17.000 It was very nice.

00:42:18.000 Does it have a balcony?

00:42:20.000 I'm pretty sure.

00:42:21.000 Yes.

00:42:21.000 Columbus funny one?

00:42:22.000 I think it is, right?

00:42:23.000 This has definitely changed it since you've been there last.

00:42:25.000 Is it a new one?

00:42:27.000 No, they just renovated the whole room.

00:42:30.000 Oh, wow.

00:42:31.000 I love having the balcony.

00:42:32.000 They must have had to add seats.

00:42:33.000 It was killing it.

00:42:34.000 Everywhere that has a balcony is my favorite.

00:42:36.000 Once you have a place that's a club that gets good acts in every weekend, Cleveland Improv, okay, hold on. 1.00

00:42:41.000 Shut the fuck up. 0.99

00:42:42.000 What's that? 1.00

00:42:42.000 They'd love to go and see Eddie Griffin at the Cleveland Improv? 1.00

00:42:45.000 Come on.

00:42:47.000 Maybe it closed.

00:42:49.000 This is 2020?

00:42:50.000 Oh, it's six years ago.

00:42:51.000 I don't know.

00:42:51.000 It's like where I typed in Cleveland Improv.

00:42:53.000 So who's that?

00:42:54.000 Lou Anel's there?

00:42:55.000 And Tony Baker was there?

00:42:56.000 That's a bad bonus what comes up. 1.00

00:42:58.000 I will not be besmirched for making a very genuine observation about how black the Cleveland improv was. 0.99

00:43:04.000 That's hilarious.

00:43:05.000 Because I tried to get on.

00:43:07.000 I was trying to do black rooms when I got to open for Finesse Mitchell.

00:43:11.000 That was the first black room I got to play.

00:43:13.000 Nice.

00:43:14.000 I've slowed down.

00:43:14.000 There's not heaps of black rooms in Austin.

00:43:16.000 I should go over to Houston sometimes. 0.95

00:43:18.000 Yeah, where are the black rooms in Austin? 0.98

00:43:20.000 I think the mothership. 0.96

00:43:22.000 Probably.

00:43:23.000 I think some of the lineups at the ship.

00:43:24.000 Yeah.

00:43:26.000 I still think chocolate sundaes could work at the mothership.

00:43:29.000 I can't run it.

00:43:32.000 That would be fun.

00:43:32.000 I feel like you should just have shows.

00:43:35.000 I think themes are retarded. 1.00

00:43:36.000 They tried to do an Italian theme at the comedy store for a while. 1.00

00:43:40.000 Like Night of a Thousand Guidos, I think they called it.

00:43:43.000 And I did it, and I was like, what am I doing?

00:43:46.000 I'm on this show with all these other Italians just because they're Italian. 1.00

00:43:49.000 There is something different about a black audience. 1.00

00:43:52.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

00:43:52.000 Yeah, sure. 1.00

00:43:52.000 It is. 1.00

00:43:53.000 That's a different skill set, I found.

00:43:55.000 It's a different skill set, and they won't tolerate nonsense.

00:43:59.000 They won't tolerate all this, like, what else?

00:44:01.000 What else?

00:44:02.000 No, They're not here for that.

00:44:04.000 Which I think is good. 0.95

00:44:06.000 You can't even make fun of gay. 0.79

00:44:07.000 You can't mention gay stuff at all. 0.87

00:44:10.000 Really? 1.00

00:44:11.000 Oh, man.

00:44:12.000 I had a trans bit.

00:44:14.000 Just people were not happy to hear, oh, why are you talking about that?

00:44:18.000 Why are you bringing that up?

00:44:20.000 We're out here to have a nice night.

00:44:22.000 It was like on a dime, it turned.

00:44:24.000 Yeah.

00:44:24.000 Really?

00:44:25.000 And then people told me afterwards, they don't want to hear that word from you.

00:44:29.000 Really?

00:44:30.000 Interesting.

00:44:31.000 It was fun.

00:44:33.000 I felt very alive when it was going well.

00:44:35.000 And also, black people giving you compliments. 0.61

00:44:37.000 Just an Aussie boy coming off stage and having a black guy go, you've got to go to stage presence. 1.00

00:44:41.000 It's like, oh, fuck. 1.00

00:44:42.000 Thank you so much. 0.99

00:44:43.000 That's awesome.

00:44:44.000 I, um, Yeah, black people are.

00:44:47.000 That was very eye opening when I came to America.

00:44:49.000 You don't have a lot of that in Australia.

00:44:51.000 We have Africans and we have Aboriginal people, but we have no.

00:44:54.000 If you wear a cool coat in Australia, no one will tell you about it.

00:44:57.000 There will be no one to say. 0.99

00:44:58.000 Yeah, there's a very big difference between African Americans and black people worldwide.

00:45:04.000 African Americans are responsible for so much of the culture, music, comedy.

00:45:13.000 There's so much of an impact that African Americans have had on the world.

00:45:17.000 Think about just.

00:45:18.000 Just hip hop music.

00:45:20.000 Yeah.

00:45:21.000 So hip hop music doesn't even exist until I was in middle school.

00:45:21.000 Right?

00:45:26.000 Like late 70s?

00:45:27.000 Yeah.

00:45:28.000 So I was in middle school.

00:45:29.000 I went to high school in 81. 0.63

00:45:30.000 And when was Sugar Hill Gang's hip hop, the hibbity hip hop?

00:45:36.000 What was that song called?

00:45:37.000 Rapper's Delight.

00:45:38.000 Yeah.

00:45:38.000 So that song came out when I was, I think I was 13.

00:45:44.000 I think I was 13.

00:45:45.000 I think I was in middle.

00:45:46.000 1979 is when it.

00:45:48.000 Yeah.

00:45:49.000 Okay.

00:45:49.000 They formed.

00:45:49.000 Yeah.

00:45:50.000 That makes sense.

00:45:51.000 So when I was in Boston, when we first moved to Boston, my family didn't have much money.

00:45:56.000 We lived in a place called Jamaica Plain.

00:45:58.000 And it's since been kind of gentrified, but back then it was not.

00:46:02.000 It was the first time I'd ever been around scary kids. 0.97

00:46:05.000 Like violent, delinquent kids who had all had sex. 0.99

00:46:05.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:46:09.000 I hadn't had sex. 1.00

00:46:10.000 All these kids, they're like, you don't even know where a pussy is, do you? 1.00

00:46:12.000 I'm like, it's down there. 1.00

00:46:14.000 Like, you probably think you go right into it, right?

00:46:16.000 You got to go up.

00:46:16.000 I'm like, okay.

00:46:18.000 I don't fucking know. 0.95

00:46:19.000 I never even kissed a girl. 1.00

00:46:20.000 I was like, what the fuck are you guys talking about? 1.00

00:46:22.000 But they were like, Lighting fires, doing crazy shit. 1.00

00:46:25.000 Like they were dumb delinquents, stealing things, breaking and entering. 1.00

00:46:29.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:46:30.000 And so I went to this high school or middle school, rather.

00:46:33.000 And this middle school was in a poor neighborhood.

00:46:36.000 And I remember there was a kid that was in my class.

00:46:39.000 I was 13.

00:46:40.000 He was 17 years old and he kept failing.

00:46:42.000 He kept failing and coming back.

00:46:44.000 He would come back for like a couple weeks or two and then he would quit.

00:46:47.000 And I remember seeing him at the beginning of the school year and going, I can't believe he's 17 and he's in class with me.

00:46:53.000 This is nuts.

00:46:54.000 And then I was filled with like this sense of dread for him.

00:46:58.000 For his future. 0.99

00:46:59.000 Like, this fucking guy's never gonna graduate middle school. 0.99

00:47:02.000 So he's never gonna go to high school. 1.00

00:47:03.000 He's fucking 17. 0.99

00:47:04.000 Like, will they even allow you to go to high school if you're 21? 0.99

00:47:07.000 Like, what year do they say, you can't come here anymore?

00:47:10.000 You failed nine years in a row?

00:47:12.000 At some point, it was that kind of kid.

00:47:15.000 It was that kind of kid.

00:47:15.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:47:16.000 And then there were like kids making out in class.

00:47:20.000 I remember this Puerto Rican girl, she asked a question to the teacher.

00:47:24.000 She said, if I'm making out with a guy and he's breathing into my mouth and I'm breathing into his, Can we stay alive like that?

00:47:36.000 Can you?

00:47:37.000 No, no, no.

00:47:38.000 It's carbon dioxide.

00:47:39.000 I never forgot that question.

00:47:41.000 Can we eat the fresh eyes like that?

00:47:43.000 It was the craziest question.

00:47:44.000 She was like, Can we breathe each other's air and not open our mouths? 1.00

00:47:47.000 And I was like, What are you doing, you fucking dirty freak? 1.00

00:47:51.000 So a lot of girls dropped out while I was there because they got pregnant. 1.00

00:47:56.000 Sure. 0.99

00:47:57.000 It was dangerous.

00:47:58.000 Where were you before then, though? 0.95

00:47:59.000 Were you in a more middle class place before then?

00:48:02.000 Yeah, I was in Florida.

00:48:03.000 I was in Gainesville, Florida, which was like.

00:48:05.000 Way safer.

00:48:07.000 It was pretty cool.

00:48:08.000 You may have moved around more than anyone I know.

00:48:10.000 I moved around a lot.

00:48:11.000 So I lived in New Jersey until I was seven, and then lived in San Francisco from seven to 11, and then lived in Florida from 11 to 13, and then Boston from 13 to 24.

00:48:23.000 Do you.

00:48:25.000 I mean, because you're now.

00:48:26.000 Your kids are growing up in.

00:48:27.000 They were in LA and then they're here.

00:48:29.000 Do you think.

00:48:32.000 I worry about my kids because I don't think they've ever been in the same house for more than.

00:48:36.000 One year.

00:48:38.000 Like, I have a seven year old daughter.

00:48:39.000 She's been in seven houses now.

00:48:42.000 Because we've had to move a lot.

00:48:43.000 And I wonder what impact that is making.

00:48:44.000 Well, as long as they're young, I honestly think it has a positive effect.

00:48:49.000 Okay.

00:48:50.000 This is my take on what it did for me.

00:48:53.000 I was forced to form my own opinions instead of adopting the opinions of a group of people that were around me because I'd never had a consistent group of people that were around me.

00:49:03.000 I met a bunch of new people everywhere I went, and I had new friends everywhere I went.

00:49:03.000 Yeah.

00:49:08.000 And completely new environments everywhere I went.

00:49:11.000 So I went from San Francisco in the 1970s right into Florida.

00:49:17.000 And Florida was so backwards in terms of their mentality in comparison to San Francisco.

00:49:23.000 San Francisco, we lived in Hippieville.

00:49:25.000 It was all like anti war people.

00:49:28.000 And it's San Francisco in the 1970s.

00:49:31.000 And so then I moved to Florida.

00:49:33.000 And it was like, I had this friend, his name was Candy.

00:49:37.000 His last name was Candido.

00:49:38.000 Everybody called him Candy. 1.00

00:49:39.000 And his dad was like this really angry Cuban guy. 1.00

00:49:43.000 And I remember him slamming a newspaper on the table, and he was like, These fags want to marry. 1.00

00:49:49.000 This is crazy. 1.00

00:49:51.000 Like, they're going to let faggots marry each other. 1.00

00:49:52.000 And I remember thinking, What do you care? 1.00

00:49:55.000 Because I lived in San Francisco.

00:49:56.000 We're surrounded by gay people.

00:49:58.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:49:58.000 Our neighbors were gay. 0.99

00:50:00.000 My aunt used to smoke pot with them, and they'd all get naked and play bongo drums. 0.97

00:50:03.000 Because, like, she felt comfortable being naked around these guys who had no interest in it.

00:50:07.000 They should have ran it in now.

00:50:08.000 I would say, I haven't now seen San Francisco.

00:50:10.000 A little bit. 0.98

00:50:11.000 But that's not, it's not the gays that caused San Francisco to go down the way it is, it's this crazy progressive. 0.92

00:50:16.000 Politics will allow people to camp on the streets. 0.90

00:50:18.000 I just went to a diner and I saw a man. 0.98

00:50:20.000 He was wearing assless chaps and sitting on that. 0.98

00:50:22.000 That upset me. 1.00

00:50:23.000 Apparently, if you're gay, it would be a good spot. 1.00

00:50:25.000 The public nudity is you have to cover the urethra. 1.00

00:50:28.000 Oh.

00:50:30.000 But if you cover the urethra, everything else is fine.

00:50:32.000 Oh, so you just like put a piece of table over the whole thing? 1.00

00:50:34.000 Googly eye over the Jap eye. 1.00

00:50:36.000 Maybe you can't call it that. 1.00

00:50:36.000 Nice. 1.00

00:50:37.000 You can.

00:50:38.000 You just did.

00:50:38.000 Okay.

00:50:40.000 No, but that's so that that would help you become more because you have like a weirdly independent mentality.

00:50:46.000 Yeah.

00:50:46.000 That's why.

00:50:47.000 So that I think going to a bunch of different places and seeing that, oh, people think completely differently over here than they think over here.

00:50:55.000 This is weird.

00:50:57.000 You know, I remember when I lived in Florida, I had to ask my mother what the N word meant because I heard it at school and she got upset with me.

00:51:05.000 She goes, You know what it means.

00:51:06.000 I go, I don't.

00:51:07.000 I don't know what it means.

00:51:08.000 And she's like, It's a bad word for black people.

00:51:10.000 I was like, Whoa, really?

00:51:12.000 Like it made no sense to me because the formative years I think were really important.

00:51:17.000 And I think seven to 11 in San Francisco was really important for me because, in a way, at least for me, it was very much a utopian city.

00:51:30.000 It was like very open minded, it was very peaceful.

00:51:34.000 There was very little crime, like real crime.

00:51:36.000 It was the most beautiful place.

00:51:38.000 It was gorgeous.

00:51:39.000 It was gorgeous.

00:51:40.000 I'd go fishing.

00:51:41.000 I had this guy, there was like this community center and this.

00:51:44.000 Guy named Cliff would take us fishing.

00:51:46.000 It was really cool.

00:51:47.000 Like, there was a lot of good things about San Francisco back then.

00:51:52.000 And there was a lot of artists, and it was a lot of like, it was a cool vibe.

00:51:57.000 You know, it was a very open minded vibe that was a lot of it was centered around the anti war movement and peace.

00:52:06.000 You know, there was a lot, it was like, it was a different kind of, and they were sort of just like, just getting over the psychedelic wave of the 1960s, right?

00:52:15.000 So, this is like, they're still in that mode.

00:52:18.000 But it was still like an artist driven.

00:52:20.000 Yeah.

00:52:20.000 A lot of open pot smoking.

00:52:22.000 It was a lot of like, just hippies.

00:52:26.000 But in the best way, it wasn't camping on the streets.

00:52:30.000 There was no fentanyl back then.

00:52:31.000 There was no homelessness.

00:52:33.000 Like, homelessness was super, super rare.

00:52:37.000 Like, in the 1970s, like when I was a kid, I never saw people camped out in the street.

00:52:37.000 Yeah.

00:52:42.000 You never saw any of that. 1.00

00:52:43.000 You occasionally saw a bum. 1.00

00:52:45.000 And it was usually some poor fuck who's. 1.00

00:52:48.000 It was like a drunk guy, right? 1.00

00:52:49.000 He lost his way. 0.96

00:52:50.000 Listen, if you look at dirty hairy.

00:52:52.000 Or on the waterfront, whenever there is a depiction of, like, whenever they're doing vagrants in the 50s and 60s, it's like a drunk guy stumbling around.

00:53:01.000 Like in Rambo, he just wants a sandwich and they chase him out of town.

00:53:04.000 Right.

00:53:04.000 And then, you know, it's trouble.

00:53:06.000 But now there's like, they're everywhere.

00:53:08.000 It's like kung fu skeletons moving around the place, like full of drugs. 0.96

00:53:10.000 Like, what is the end point of that?

00:53:12.000 No one's running on that.

00:53:14.000 I remember Trump talked about a little bit the need to have asylums again because they closed the asylums.

00:53:18.000 Yes.

00:53:19.000 I mean, there are more therapists now than there ever were before, but they're helping like corporate people.

00:53:22.000 They're not helping schizophrenics without a home.

00:53:26.000 Like at some point. 1.00

00:53:29.000 You saw Trump bring the army in to places like Portland or the National Guard to clear it out.

00:53:35.000 And I think people were quietly kind of pleased that that was happening.

00:53:39.000 There was people pushed back.

00:53:40.000 Is that why they cleared it out?

00:53:41.000 It was a homeless situation?

00:53:42.000 I think it was the homelessness.

00:53:43.000 I thought it was protests.

00:53:45.000 No, I think that was.

00:53:47.000 And Washington as well.

00:53:48.000 I think they came in to clear out homeless people.

00:53:51.000 It was crime as well.

00:53:52.000 Like Washington was crazy with crime.

00:53:52.000 Yeah.

00:53:54.000 And they were all kind of happy about it.

00:53:56.000 Well, the mayor of D.C. was happy that Trump brought in the National Guard.

00:54:01.000 But this is, it's not a nice.

00:54:04.000 You can't lose the downtowns across America.

00:54:08.000 You know how bad LA's gotten, right?

00:54:11.000 Yeah.

00:54:12.000 Yes, I do.

00:54:12.000 LA?

00:54:13.000 Do you know how big Skid Row is?

00:54:14.000 Take a guess.

00:54:16.000 Wait a minute, how many people?

00:54:17.000 How many blocks?

00:54:18.000 I have no idea.

00:54:19.000 Take a guess.

00:54:20.000 Two.

00:54:20.000 50.

00:54:21.000 Well, that's too many blocks.

00:54:23.000 Five zero.

00:54:24.000 That's not a ride anymore.

00:54:25.000 Five zero, just completely claimed by homeless zombies.

00:54:29.000 No, how big are the blocks?

00:54:30.000 I'm thinking about LA.

00:54:31.000 Big as. 1.00

00:54:32.000 Fuck. 1.00

00:54:32.000 I stayed away from there. 1.00

00:54:33.000 I went to the Hollywood Hills and Malibu and had a nice time.

00:54:33.000 It's huge.

00:54:36.000 Downtown is nuts. 0.99

00:54:37.000 Downtown LA is the only downtown of any major city that sucks. 0.99

00:54:41.000 No. 0.87

00:54:42.000 Downtown New York is incredible.

00:54:44.000 Right. 0.98

00:54:45.000 Downtown San Francisco is fucked with homeless people, but it's still, you got great restaurants. 1.00

00:54:50.000 Downtown LA is a ghost town. 0.99

00:54:53.000 I said, Portland is so beautiful in the downtown, but then you will turn down the street and it's terrifying.

00:54:59.000 50 to 54.

00:55:00.000 Oh, it's growing.

00:55:02.000 Skid Row in Los Angeles, officially known as Central City East, covers approximately 50 to 54 blocks.

00:55:09.000 15,000.

00:55:12.000 They don't know how many people are there.

00:55:12.000 Yeah.

00:55:14.000 There's just wild guesses in terms of what the populations of homeless people are.

00:55:18.000 Even in terms of the population in the entire city, the high number is over 100,000 in the city.

00:55:25.000 It's crazy.

00:55:25.000 Look how big it is.

00:55:26.000 All that whole area is completely lost.

00:55:28.000 I thought it was a row.

00:55:30.000 I thought it was like one street.

00:55:31.000 It was.

00:55:32.000 It was back in like the 1960s.

00:55:34.000 I think it's.

00:55:36.000 There's a map or something they've drawn on a picture there.

00:55:39.000 I think it's been that way for a long time.

00:55:42.000 Look at this proposed area affordable housing.

00:55:45.000 Affordable housing is just a joke.

00:55:46.000 It's not what the problem is. 0.99

00:55:48.000 They're all drug addicts. 1.00

00:55:49.000 They're drug addicts and mentally ill. 1.00

00:55:51.000 Yeah, but what do you do there? 0.98

00:55:52.000 Well, you can't let it get that bad, first of all.

00:55:55.000 And if you do let it get that bad, you've got to treat it like it's a catastrophic failure and throw as much resources as possible at it.

00:56:01.000 But the problem is, these people are incentivized to keep the problem going because that's how they make their living.

00:56:06.000 Absolutely.

00:56:07.000 But they don't have any motivation whatsoever to fix it.

00:56:12.000 Because if the homeless population drops down to like a very small number, and then they don't need all these people that are making half a million dollars a year on the homeless commission, it's complete grifting.

00:56:12.000 Yeah.

00:56:24.000 I don't have a problem.

00:56:25.000 It's not my country.

00:56:26.000 I don't have any big problem with Gavin Newsom.

00:56:27.000 You know, I don't understand how LA has every story that comes out of California seems to be.

00:56:34.000 Okay, so here it says between 1960 and 1975.

00:56:37.000 50 percent of the housing in Skid Row was demolished, reducing the total number of units from 15,000 to 7,500 and displacing thousands of poor residents with nowhere else to go but the street.

00:56:49.000 While Skid Row was never a wealthy neighborhood, its current status as the homeless capital of America is the result of decades of policy choices, which have simultaneously encouraged the destruction of existing affordable housing.

00:56:59.000 See, this is, by the way, a very progressive perspective.

00:57:02.000 Yeah, because it's a very progressive perspective.

00:57:04.000 The real perspective is that what they use Skid Row for.

00:57:08.000 Was when they would find vagrants in Beverly Hills and vagrants in Hollywood, they would move them to Skid Row and then they would kind of contain them in that area.

00:57:18.000 This thing right here.

00:57:20.000 Yeah.

00:57:20.000 Dumping.

00:57:21.000 So encourage like concentration camps for the homeless.

00:57:24.000 With homeless medical patients.

00:57:26.000 See, this is a very progressive perspective.

00:57:29.000 Homeless medical patients.

00:57:30.000 How about vagrants who are drug addicts? 1.00

00:57:33.000 You can call them medical patients.

00:57:35.000 Like you're just being kind.

00:57:37.000 This is just too charitable.

00:57:39.000 Across the region, so they would dump them there, and then they also had like food kitchens there and stuff like that, so they had an incentive to stay, but they kept them there.

00:57:49.000 And so then it kept growing because the homeless problem keeps growing and growing.

00:57:52.000 It's psychosis and drugs.

00:57:54.000 That's the ultimate.

00:57:55.000 Yes, drugs are the big one.

00:57:57.000 And drugs are the drug use in Skid Row is probably 100%.

00:58:03.000 It's not like regular homeless people.

00:58:05.000 I was in Portland and I saw a.

00:58:07.000 I was walking to the train station through the downtown.

00:58:10.000 No one told me not to do it.

00:58:11.000 And all these very sad homeless people.

00:58:14.000 And then one guy with a big smile.

00:58:16.000 He was so happy.

00:58:17.000 Probably got his fentanyl.

00:58:18.000 Well, no, it's the first time I saw crack being smoked.

00:58:20.000 It has a great smell.

00:58:20.000 Oh, yeah.

00:58:22.000 Smell kind of sweet.

00:58:24.000 Yeah.

00:58:25.000 Like, what way?

00:58:25.000 Smell like sweet, like a rotten apple.

00:58:27.000 That's how it felt at the time.

00:58:28.000 I don't know if that was the crack or if.

00:58:30.000 I mean, he was smoking crack and I could smell that, but he was so happy and I didn't want to take his crack away.

00:58:35.000 You know, it's like, here's the only thing you've really got going for you today.

00:58:38.000 Yeah, I think crack is not good for you, but probably better for you than fentanyl.

00:58:46.000 It's all.

00:58:47.000 I think with crack, you're active.

00:58:49.000 Crack makes you go do a bunch of stuff.

00:58:53.000 This is weird seeing heroin people for the first time because they're not like a threat.

00:58:56.000 Australia is still a very meth country.

00:58:58.000 We're like, oh, meth is a problem.

00:58:59.000 It's a lot of like skinny, shirtless men on the bus.

00:59:02.000 Yeah.

00:59:02.000 Angry.

00:59:03.000 Weird head twitching back and forth.

00:59:05.000 So we're still very methy.

00:59:07.000 But meth doesn't seem to be as big here now.

00:59:08.000 Oh, it's big.

00:59:09.000 It's big in certain communities.

00:59:11.000 Yeah.

00:59:11.000 Meth is still big.

00:59:13.000 It's like, you know, what you've got in, I mean, the, The homeless situation in Skid Row wasn't always fentanyl and heroin.

00:59:20.000 I mean, at one point in time, it was meth.

00:59:22.000 You know, it's a gang of different things.

00:59:24.000 I'm sure there's people there that are doing ketamine.

00:59:26.000 Do you just start killing drug dealers?

00:59:28.000 Do you do, like in Singapore, you just have a zero tolerance policy?

00:59:33.000 I don't know long term what the answer is.

00:59:34.000 I mean, look, you could do it that way, but it would be very inhumane and it would also set a precedent for how you treat a bunch of other situations.

00:59:42.000 Yeah.

00:59:42.000 And that's not good.

00:59:43.000 It's dangerous.

00:59:44.000 The communists, when they had an opium problem in China, they just put them in the military.

00:59:49.000 That's like give people a new sense of purpose.

00:59:51.000 You've got a uniform now, we're going to blame someone else for the problem.

00:59:53.000 This is Western imperialism did this to you.

00:59:56.000 Yeah.

00:59:56.000 And that seemed to help.

00:59:57.000 Like they don't have a big opium problem in China anymore.

01:00:00.000 Also, I don't know how official that is and how many people they did just kill because it's the communist government.

01:00:05.000 Yeah.

01:00:06.000 They're allowed to.

01:00:07.000 They lie.

01:00:08.000 They might lie.

01:00:09.000 They definitely lie.

01:00:10.000 Although last time I was, a couple months ago, I was here and Kurt Metzger was telling me the Tiananmen Square was not all that bad.

01:00:18.000 Yeah.

01:00:18.000 I didn't do enough digging.

01:00:19.000 I didn't do enough digging.

01:00:22.000 From everything he says from a short Google search, I can agree with it.

01:00:26.000 But I'm sure if I dug down, I'd have more questions.

01:00:28.000 I haven't seen him actually since I got back.

01:00:30.000 Oh, yeah.

01:00:30.000 Is he still here?

01:00:31.000 I've seen everybody.

01:00:32.000 He's great.

01:00:32.000 Most people are still here.

01:00:33.000 He's the best.

01:00:35.000 He's been odd.

01:00:36.000 But you can't talk conspiracies with him because it'll just, he'll chain them one after another after another.

01:00:42.000 And then three minutes in, you forgot what you're even talking about because he's moved on to some scandal in the 1970s with callboys and Congress.

01:00:51.000 Oh, you spoke to him about Reagan?

01:00:53.000 Yeah.

01:00:54.000 What is it called?

01:00:54.000 The Franklin scandal?

01:00:55.000 There's tapes.

01:00:56.000 Hassan was talking to me about Franklin scandal.

01:00:59.000 Franklin scandal.

01:01:00.000 Hassan was bringing that up last night.

01:01:01.000 He's reading a book on it.

01:01:02.000 I want to think that Reagan was a good guy.

01:01:04.000 I don't think it's Reagan.

01:01:04.000 I always like it.

01:01:05.000 I think it's whoever's in his cabinet.

01:01:07.000 I mean, it was.

01:01:09.000 Well, he's dead.

01:01:09.000 He can't.

01:01:10.000 He was saying things about Reagan getting pegged.

01:01:12.000 What?

01:01:13.000 Who was saying that?

01:01:15.000 Kurt was talking about that there was a tape somewhere of Reagan getting pegged.

01:01:19.000 I don't want to know.

01:01:20.000 These guys don't even think the Artemis flight went past the moon.

01:01:24.000 They did it. 0.99

01:01:25.000 Kurt thinks there's a secret space program and that this space program is bullshit. 0.83

01:01:30.000 There's a real space program and they're using this space program to obfuscate. 0.89

01:01:36.000 It just seems very complicated for a person who can't do it.

01:01:38.000 He might be saying it incorrectly.

01:01:40.000 He knows a lot of things.

01:01:41.000 He does.

01:01:42.000 And then when I dig in often, it seems true.

01:01:42.000 He does.

01:01:44.000 A lot of it is true.

01:01:45.000 But also, I think the government is incompetent everywhere.

01:01:49.000 And if they were able to get that one thing, you know.

01:01:53.000 Building a fake space program to conceal a Trump space program.

01:01:57.000 It seems unlikely.

01:01:57.000 Yeah.

01:01:58.000 Well, do you know how much money you'd have to have to run two space programs, one real one and one fake one?

01:02:04.000 That's crazy.

01:02:05.000 Just a real one costs so much. 0.94

01:02:07.000 Well, the Nazi one was real. 0.92

01:02:08.000 Yeah. 0.85

01:02:09.000 Yeah.

01:02:10.000 Everyone seems.

01:02:10.000 That's coming.

01:02:11.000 Some people are still not aware of it.

01:02:13.000 I've had conversations with people where they don't want to admit it, where they can't believe it. 0.66

01:02:19.000 Do you know NASA was run by Nazis?

01:02:20.000 They're like, what?

01:02:22.000 You tell them about Wernher von Braun.

01:02:24.000 And they want to.

01:02:25.000 Like, there's a lot of people that are like Nats.

01:02:27.000 NASA fanboys.

01:02:29.000 And these NASA fanboys don't want to believe that NASA was run by literal Nazis.

01:02:34.000 Yeah.

01:02:35.000 I mean, not necessarily like they were scientific Nazis.

01:02:35.000 Yeah.

01:02:38.000 Yeah.

01:02:38.000 They were Nazis.

01:02:39.000 Wernher von Braun used to hang the slowest, the five slowest Jews at his rocket factory in Berlin.

01:02:48.000 The Simon Wiesenthal Center said that if he was alive today, they would prosecute him for crimes against humanity.

01:02:53.000 I mean, do you think that story got out when he was at NASA and everyone worked on the project?

01:02:56.000 They hit it well.

01:02:57.000 There was no.

01:02:58.000 Freedom of Information Act releases.

01:03:00.000 There was no internet.

01:03:02.000 When Operation Paperclip was first initiated, they got, I don't know what the number is of Nazi scientists, but it was more than a thousand.

01:03:11.000 Yeah.

01:03:12.000 How many Nazi scientists?

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01:03:18.000 Our AI sponsor that gives me all my information.

01:03:21.000 How many Nazi scientists were brought over by the United States for Operation Paperclip?

01:03:28.000 I don't know that there's an official number.

01:03:29.000 This is what led me down my research like 10 years ago.

01:03:32.000 was this exact question.

01:03:33.000 Right, but let's see what perplexity has to say.

01:03:37.000 I'm guessing.

01:03:38.000 I'm going to guess about 1,500.

01:03:39.000 Also, as I'm looking this up, I will note that supposedly they were split up evenly between the Soviets and the United States.

01:03:46.000 That's true.

01:03:47.000 Yeah, the Soviets took a bunch of them as well.

01:03:48.000 I didn't know they divvied it up.

01:03:49.000 Yeah, I read a book about it a long time ago.

01:03:54.000 I just started getting into the Soviet space program.

01:03:57.000 It's great.

01:03:58.000 Oh, yeah.

01:03:59.000 Is it the Venus missions?

01:04:00.000 Am I getting that right?

01:04:01.000 Oh, yeah, they got a thing on Venus and took pictures and sent them back.

01:04:04.000 But then it was so hot that everything would like.

01:04:07.000 1,600.

01:04:08.000 1,600 is.

01:04:10.000 Typically, state that about 1,600 German scientists, engineers, and technicians were brought to the United States under Operation Paperclip. 1.00

01:04:16.000 So, I was pretty close.

01:04:17.000 To reel back, though, I was trying to dig through this article as you guys are talking.

01:04:21.000 About Nixon getting pegged?

01:04:22.000 Or Reagan?

01:04:23.000 Yeah.

01:04:24.000 Political.

01:04:24.000 The plot to out Reagan?

01:04:26.000 Yeah. 0.56

01:04:26.000 A group of Republicans tried to stymie what they alleged was a nefarious homosexual network within the campaign of their own party, Standard Bear. 0.56

01:04:34.000 This is what I mean. 0.80

01:04:35.000 He says something that sounds crazy.

01:04:36.000 And then you do a search.

01:04:37.000 I don't know what the answer is, but during it, it says, while he was trying to pick a vice president, there's somewhere in here.

01:04:42.000 Wait, how do you talk about him?

01:04:45.000 He'd be my vice president. 0.98

01:04:46.000 You said someone had a tape of an orgy? 0.99

01:04:48.000 Yes. 0.96

01:04:50.000 No.

01:04:52.000 Well, didn't Reagan frequented Bohemian Grove?

01:04:56.000 Isn't that correct?

01:04:58.000 I believe he did.

01:05:00.000 Everybody.

01:05:00.000 Yeah, a lot of people did.

01:05:01.000 Right. 0.99

01:05:02.000 But Reagan did.

01:05:02.000 But you remember what Nixon said about Bohemian Grove?

01:05:05.000 The faggiest place I've ever seen. 1.00

01:05:06.000 The goddamn faggiest thing I've ever seen. 1.00

01:05:09.000 You heard Alex Jones talking about it? 1.00

01:05:11.000 Well, Alex Jones went.

01:05:11.000 Yes.

01:05:13.000 Alex Jones told me about it after he went.

01:05:13.000 Yeah.

01:05:15.000 I engaged in a homosexual act with Reagan. 0.55

01:05:19.000 Okay, it was not until a boozy lunch with a man claiming to have been a longtime Reagan associate. 0.99

01:05:24.000 However, the best found what he believed to be the smoking gun, proving that Reagan was controlled by homosexuals. 0.95

01:05:32.000 Bill, you don't understand the problem, the man told Best. 0.98

01:05:35.000 I once engaged in a homosexual act with Reagan. 0.64

01:05:38.000 It was a different time. 0.57

01:05:40.000 Yes, I don't.

01:05:42.000 These are, up until now in this article, these are rumors.

01:05:45.000 Right.

01:05:46.000 I don't know that this video ever came out, but there's.

01:05:49.000 Interesting.

01:05:50.000 There's a very long article about it.

01:05:52.000 On Politica.

01:05:53.000 Yeah.

01:05:55.000 Interesting.

01:05:57.000 I was trying to find an answer and I didn't really get to this.

01:06:01.000 This is a different time period in life, too, that I wasn't even alive for.

01:06:04.000 Right.

01:06:06.000 Wow.

01:06:08.000 I don't believe it.

01:06:09.000 I do.

01:06:10.000 I love Reagan.

01:06:11.000 I do, too.

01:06:12.000 I love him, too.

01:06:12.000 But I think there's a lot of those guys that are staunchly conservative and very buttoned down that are that way for a reason.

01:06:20.000 And one of the reasons is they're trying to hide the fact that they're gay.

01:06:23.000 I never understand this, though, because there are lots where I'm from.

01:06:26.000 In South, like conservative, party. 0.99

01:06:26.000 Gay? 0.99

01:06:30.000 Definitely gay guys, but thin, but like so, like everybody knows. 1.00

01:06:34.000 Everybody's aware, but they don't want it coming out and they never acknowledge it. 0.99

01:06:38.000 But like it just seems so strange.

01:06:42.000 You would want to not have a secret if you're a politician because otherwise people can just get you to do what they want.

01:06:46.000 Yeah, but they have secrets and then they want to be politicians and then they just deal with all the people that know their secrets and then they make deals.

01:06:54.000 But like, that's how you stay in business.

01:06:56.000 I wouldn't even say there are people in the United States Congress and Senate who are conservative.

01:07:01.000 So we all go. 1.00

01:07:02.000 Yeah, that guy's gay. 0.99

01:07:03.000 100%. 0.95

01:07:04.000 Everybody knows.

01:07:05.000 So, you know.

01:07:06.000 So, I asked for the accuracy of this article, and Perplexity gave me a summary, I guess, that makes more sense than trying to make sense of a 20 page article in two minutes.

01:07:16.000 This comes from a lot of different sources.

01:07:16.000 Okay.

01:07:18.000 Factual grounding and sources.

01:07:20.000 One key factual backbone.

01:07:22.000 Scroll up a little bit.

01:07:25.000 On the key factual backbone, the article lines up with other publicly documented material.

01:07:31.000 Kirchick refers repeatedly to memos.

01:07:34.000 And notes from the Washington Post editor Ben Bradley's papers, including summaries by reporters Scott Armstrong and Ted Gupp.

01:07:41.000 These papers are held in institutional archives and have been referenced in other discussions of Secret City.

01:07:48.000 The 1967 homosexual ring allegations connected to Reagan's Sacramento staff and Jack Kemp's is independently attested in contemporary press accounts, including reporting that Reagan's security chief investigated alleged homosexual activity and that columnist Drew Pearson raised these charges at the time.

01:08:08.000 So here's the thing about gays. 0.85

01:08:09.000 There's a gay ring.

01:08:10.000 There's always a certain amount of gay people in a population, and then it's whether or not the culture accepts them.

01:08:19.000 Yes.

01:08:20.000 There's always a certain percentage.

01:08:22.000 There's, yes, people who are attracted to.

01:08:24.000 Yeah, no matter what you do, there's a certain percentage.

01:08:27.000 And so if you've got enough people in Congress and enough people in the Senate, enough people just in government in general, you're going to have an equivalent percentage of people that are gay.

01:08:38.000 And if you are a person who wants to get to the top of the charts, like here's the thing that you don't think of.

01:08:45.000 What is, you think Hollywood is very open.

01:08:48.000 Right?

01:08:49.000 Very non homophobic.

01:08:50.000 In fact, celebrates diversity and celebrates LBGTQ people, right?

01:08:56.000 Yeah, I mean, openly gay. 0.50

01:08:57.000 But not. 0.91

01:08:57.000 So here's the thing one thing you can't be is an openly gay person and be a male lead in films. 0.91

01:09:08.000 I mean, that would make sense as to why people keep that quiet. 0.91

01:09:10.000 I'm trying to think of one.

01:09:11.000 You can't, but you're an actor.

01:09:12.000 No, you're right.

01:09:13.000 That still hasn't changed.

01:09:14.000 You can pretend to be a werewolf.

01:09:15.000 Yeah.

01:09:16.000 But you can't pretend to be straight.

01:09:18.000 You can't pretend to be straight.

01:09:20.000 Yeah, they won't allow you. 1.00

01:09:21.000 So, if you're gay, you have to pretend. 1.00

01:09:24.000 You have to pretend you're not gay. 1.00

01:09:24.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:09:26.000 Because you can't act in a movie where we know you're gay and you pretend to be straight, we won't buy it. 0.91

01:09:31.000 But whenever there is a movie where there is a gay person, they get it obviously straight. 0.85

01:09:35.000 Like in Milk, they don't get a gay guy to play that role, they get a straight guy to be gay. 0.99

01:09:40.000 Yeah, but that's when that's true. 0.94

01:09:41.000 He was never a TV.

01:09:42.000 He was never a movie leading man.

01:09:44.000 It's just one example, though.

01:09:45.000 I know, but he's a TV guy.

01:09:47.000 But then people make allegations of this.

01:09:48.000 Also, it's like he's a cartoon character.

01:09:51.000 Like that.

01:09:51.000 Yeah.

01:09:52.000 How I Met Your Mother, that's a cartoon character, like, straight guy.

01:09:58.000 Like, you don't believe it at all.

01:10:00.000 Like, first of all, he's not attractive, like, in that way.

01:10:03.000 He's not masculine. 0.94

01:10:04.000 And the fact that he gets all these hot girls to have sex with him, none of it makes any sense. 0.96

01:10:08.000 Did you see Gongo? 0.97

01:10:08.000 It's just writing. 0.97

01:10:09.000 Yeah, I did.

01:10:10.000 Where he's playing the.

01:10:11.000 Oh, it was great.

01:10:11.000 He was excellent.

01:10:12.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:10:13.000 I watched that movie more than eight times. 0.95

01:10:14.000 That movie was fucking awesome. 0.98

01:10:15.000 I really. 1.00

01:10:16.000 That helped me work through a lot of trauma with women. 1.00

01:10:17.000 Woo! 1.00

01:10:19.000 Bro, that movie was crazy. 0.95

01:10:20.000 But the point is, like, you can't be an openly gay guy and be a movie star. 0.89

01:10:24.000 Yes. 0.95

01:10:25.000 Because you won't be able to kiss women off stage. 0.99

01:10:27.000 I'm trying to think of one. 0.97

01:10:28.000 On screen, rather.

01:10:29.000 There's not one.

01:10:31.000 I know a bunch of closeted ones.

01:10:32.000 Yes, yes.

01:10:33.000 But there's no openly gay action movie star. 0.99

01:10:41.000 Well, there were.

01:10:43.000 No, actually, there would be none.

01:10:48.000 There's none. 0.67

01:10:48.000 There's stars who played gay people. 0.67

01:10:51.000 A lot of guys play gay people.

01:10:52.000 You know, like, what's his face?

01:10:55.000 James Bond, English guy.

01:10:56.000 Daniel Craig.

01:10:58.000 Knives Out. 1.00

01:10:58.000 He plays a gay guy. 1.00

01:11:00.000 That's right. 1.00

01:11:01.000 Yeah, I was thinking of Milk.

01:11:03.000 Yeah, he plays a gay guy in Knives Out, but he's not like making out with anybody.

01:11:06.000 He just like lives with a guy.

01:11:07.000 I never watched Knives Out because I was so angry at the second Star Wars movie.

01:11:12.000 I loved it.

01:11:13.000 It's the same director.

01:11:14.000 Like, I was just, and I loved Looper.

01:11:16.000 I thought Looper was, you gotta let a guy have a dud or two every now and then. 0.98

01:11:19.000 Fucking hated that movie. 0.98

01:11:21.000 I was one of those guys. 0.99

01:11:22.000 It was like.

01:11:22.000 Which one was that?

01:11:23.000 What was it called?

01:11:24.000 Oh, man.

01:11:26.000 It was not Force Awakens.

01:11:27.000 It was the one that came after that.

01:11:29.000 It was.

01:11:30.000 What year is this?

01:11:31.000 Oh, 2017.

01:11:35.000 I'm all over the place with the dates.

01:11:36.000 Don't you think, though, that I didn't watch any of the new ones.

01:11:39.000 But don't you think, though, that when you are dealing, if you're dealing with a Star Wars, those franchise movies, You're dealing with.

01:11:48.000 There's no way they just give you carte blanche.

01:11:51.000 There's no way they just let you write a script, let you produce it, let you put it together, let you direct it the way you want.

01:11:56.000 They have insane amounts of influence.

01:11:57.000 No, this one was so stylistically strange.

01:11:59.000 Right.

01:12:00.000 And such a departure.

01:12:01.000 He was making a.

01:12:01.000 Skywalker?

01:12:03.000 Rise of Skywalker is.

01:12:04.000 Yeah, maybe it's that one.

01:12:07.000 Is that it?

01:12:07.000 Yeah.

01:12:08.000 Is that the second one? 0.98

01:12:10.000 Does anybody really give a shit about these new Star Wars movies? 0.98

01:12:14.000 Not anymore. 0.97

01:12:15.000 But it was, you know, it was exciting.

01:12:17.000 When George Lucas was doing it, at least he was like. 0.87

01:12:20.000 We're going to have a Jew alien and a Korean alien, and it's about trade wars. 0.75

01:12:26.000 And he was like, They did that? 0.63

01:12:28.000 Episode one?

01:12:29.000 Oh, man, episode one is a nightmare if you go back and watch episode one.

01:12:33.000 Which one's episode one?

01:12:33.000 Episode one is like little Anakin and the pod racing.

01:12:36.000 Jar Jar Banks?

01:12:37.000 Jar Jar Banks is like a hugely troubled.

01:12:41.000 He's just speaking in a patois the whole time.

01:12:43.000 But I mean, it all has to end.

01:12:45.000 I think it's finally winding down.

01:12:46.000 Like the Marvel Cinematic Universe seems to be coming to a close. 0.99

01:12:50.000 Maybe I'm going to fuck back up. 0.99

01:12:51.000 No, no, Marvel. 0.99

01:12:52.000 It's got to come back.

01:12:53.000 But Star Wars, they woke it up. 0.98

01:12:55.000 They fucked it up. 1.00

01:12:57.000 They made it all like this stupid woke message. 1.00

01:13:00.000 That was the woke one. 1.00

01:13:01.000 That was the one where it was like there were ladies who couldn't do anything wrong and all the men were.

01:13:06.000 And the ladies' generals and the men are all terrified of them.

01:13:09.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:13:09.000 So save it. 0.99

01:13:10.000 This is nonsense.

01:13:11.000 It's all the time.

01:13:13.000 But these woke messages just destroy the actual film. 0.99

01:13:17.000 Like we were talking about this the other day that a feminist show that no one thinks of as a feminist show is Game of Thrones. 1.00

01:13:26.000 Because she turns into a. 1.00

01:13:28.000 No, it's a completely feminist show. 1.00

01:13:29.000 The women are all badasses. 1.00

01:13:31.000 Yes. 1.00

01:13:32.000 Every woman, Aria Stark, badass.

01:13:34.000 Daenerys Targaryen, badass. 0.56

01:13:36.000 Cersei Lannister, badass.

01:13:36.000 Yeah.

01:13:38.000 Yeah.

01:13:40.000 Brianna of Tarth, badass.

01:13:42.000 Yeah. 0.94

01:13:42.000 Kills, I mean, almost kills the hound. 0.94

01:13:45.000 They're all women. 1.00

01:13:45.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:13:46.000 Women run everything, they're beasts. 1.00

01:13:46.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:13:48.000 Sansa Stark, badass.

01:13:50.000 And a lot of the men, they don't see things coming, they don't know how. 0.55

01:13:53.000 They're breathing as beasts as hell. 1.00

01:13:54.000 Idiots get their heads chopped off. 1.00

01:13:55.000 They're retarded. 1.00

01:13:55.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:13:56.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:13:57.000 The women keep the fucking civilization together, and they're the most dominant forces in the show. 1.00

01:14:02.000 Yes. 1.00

01:14:03.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:14:03.000 Sometimes they're lying like that nasty prostitute who hurt that midget man. 1.00

01:14:07.000 Yeah, but she was unfortunate in her choices. 1.00

01:14:10.000 You think the Marvel thing is going to keep.

01:14:12.000 I think at some point.

01:14:13.000 They're going to ramp it back up.

01:14:14.000 They have a new one. 1.00

01:14:15.000 They brought back the Russo brothers and the Jr. Doctor Doom's coming. 1.00

01:14:19.000 It's been a while since.

01:14:21.000 Isn't that. 0.98

01:14:23.000 Fucking Robert Downey Jr. playing Doom as well. 0.99

01:14:26.000 How does he do that? 0.99

01:14:27.000 Wait until you see the movie, man. 0.97

01:14:29.000 No, How is he fucking Iron Man and Doom? 0.98

01:14:32.000 Well, they both have iron. 0.98

01:14:34.000 No. 0.90

01:14:35.000 No, get a new guy.

01:14:37.000 I know Robert Downey Jr. is great.

01:14:38.000 You don't have to kill Iron Man.

01:14:39.000 Bring Iron Man back.

01:14:40.000 Don't you have a multiverse?

01:14:42.000 Can't you pull him back and put him into this current timeline?

01:14:46.000 I don't.

01:14:47.000 I'm looking forward to it.

01:14:48.000 I just don't like when you have a whole universe and you have one guy playing two characters in the universe.

01:14:54.000 As much as I love.

01:14:55.000 Robert J. Gibson. 0.91

01:14:57.000 Bothers the shit out of me as a comic book fan. 0.99

01:14:57.000 This is a joke. 0.99

01:14:59.000 They've already had that, though.

01:15:00.000 Chris Evans is in Fantastic Four and he's Captain America.

01:15:05.000 Who was he in Fantastic Four?

01:15:06.000 The first Fantastic Four.

01:15:08.000 No, there have been like four or five Fantastic Fours.

01:15:10.000 Four, three.

01:15:11.000 There have been so many Fantastic Fours.

01:15:11.000 Really?

01:15:13.000 I never even remembered that.

01:15:13.000 You're right.

01:15:14.000 They can never get that one working.

01:15:16.000 Who does he play? 0.96

01:15:17.000 That's sort of the joke in the Spider Man movie, the multiverse one, because they bring them all back in the same fucking movie and it's all confusing. 0.95

01:15:24.000 They bring all the bad guys back. 0.65

01:15:26.000 Jamie Foxx is in the new Spider Man and he was.

01:15:29.000 Old movie.

01:15:29.000 Do you think they'll be post woke at this point?

01:15:32.000 I got to watch movies for the first time on the plane over. 1.00

01:15:34.000 They'd have to lose all their fucking money. 1.00

01:15:37.000 They'd start to come back. 1.00

01:15:37.000 It's starting to happen. 1.00

01:15:38.000 Did you see Begonia?

01:15:40.000 No.

01:15:41.000 It was good.

01:15:41.000 Starvey was in that, and Emma was the guy who made The Lobster, but there were problems with it, but it was like a pointedly post in the same vein of White Lotus.

01:15:51.000 I think, yeah, Hollywood is trying to make self consciously post woke movies.

01:15:51.000 Okay.

01:15:56.000 I got really annoyed by it, and I thought some of it was cheap, but I liked what they were going for.

01:16:00.000 Yeah, it's fun.

01:16:02.000 And I thought the ending was.

01:16:03.000 Fun.

01:16:04.000 Spoiler alert.

01:16:05.000 I won't spoil nothing.

01:16:06.000 I won't spoil nothing.

01:16:07.000 But I would never have seen it if I wasn't on a flight watching 57 movies.

01:16:10.000 American fiction was like a post woke movie.

01:16:12.000 They're like, at the moment, on Delta flights.

01:16:15.000 What is American fiction? 0.99

01:16:16.000 American fiction is a book about a. 0.98

01:16:18.000 It's a black author who doesn't want to be considered a black author. 0.69

01:16:21.000 He just wants to be an author. 1.00

01:16:22.000 He's sick of. 0.98

01:16:23.000 And then he keeps seeing all these terrible black books full of stereotypes that white liberals adore. 0.97

01:16:29.000 So he writes a fake book called My Pathology. 1.00

01:16:32.000 And I think he later changes it to fuck. 1.00

01:16:35.000 He's just trying to like fuck with people. 1.00

01:16:36.000 Go, I'll just write the blackest, dumbest book. 1.00

01:16:38.000 Right. 1.00

01:16:39.000 So that white liberals, and then white liberals do love it.

01:16:42.000 And it was good.

01:16:42.000 It was like, but it's like pointedly, like mainstream and indie, you know, big studios are trying to make, they're trying to find some continuity from being woke to now that's box office poisoning.

01:16:55.000 Is this a mainstream film?

01:16:56.000 That one looked like it was independent.

01:16:58.000 It won an independent spirit award.

01:16:59.000 Okay.

01:17:00.000 But Begonia wasn't. 0.96

01:17:01.000 The white leather movie.

01:17:04.000 The one you were just talking about?

01:17:04.000 What was it called again?

01:17:06.000 Begonia. 0.60

01:17:06.000 No, the other one. 0.60

01:17:07.000 Oh, which one?

01:17:07.000 American fiction.

01:17:08.000 Yeah.

01:17:08.000 American fiction?

01:17:09.000 So American fiction is independent.

01:17:10.000 I didn't know if it was independent.

01:17:12.000 I looked it up.

01:17:13.000 It made like tens of millions of dollars.

01:17:15.000 Yeah, but sometimes independent films that catch on make good money.

01:17:19.000 They did not deal with Amazon to make a limited theatrical release.

01:17:22.000 Okay.

01:17:22.000 So they partnered with Amazon then.

01:17:24.000 I don't really know.

01:17:26.000 I would count that as a big studio.

01:17:27.000 No.

01:17:27.000 No, if you started it by yourself, you started it by yourself and then you distributed it to Amazon.

01:17:31.000 But who paid for it?

01:17:32.000 Who was the.

01:17:33.000 Somebody probably financed it.

01:17:34.000 The director was.

01:17:36.000 Was he the onion guy?

01:17:37.000 $10 million budget.

01:17:38.000 So the thing is, if you want to do something right, you kind of have to do it that way now.

01:17:42.000 Like, make it yourself and then bring it as a fully completed project.

01:17:45.000 That way, you don't have a bunch of people like the Star Wars guy, like, in your ear telling you what to do and how to direct it.

01:17:51.000 I recorded a comedy special years ago for Australia.

01:17:54.000 Yeah.

01:17:54.000 And I thought I would just do it on my own and then I would sell it to the network.

01:17:58.000 How'd that go?

01:17:59.000 They said, We like it.

01:18:00.000 This is one of the most embarrassing phone calls I ever had.

01:18:02.000 They said that we like it. 0.97

01:18:03.000 It's very white, it's very male.

01:18:06.000 Yeah, it's me. 0.63

01:18:07.000 It's just me.

01:18:08.000 And they said, can you go out and find five or six diverse comedians and record their specials as well?

01:18:16.000 And then we could buy all six of them. 1.00

01:18:18.000 I was like, fuck it. 1.00

01:18:19.000 I'll put it on YouTube. 0.99

01:18:21.000 That was the real request would you find an Aboriginal fella, find a lady in a wheelchair, find some Chinese people, and then you can have your one as well, and we'll buy all six. 0.78

01:18:32.000 Hilarious. 0.91

01:18:33.000 Yeah, that was probably the end of me thinking I could.

01:18:37.000 Work with.

01:18:39.000 You can't work with people that aren't creatives, and that's what those people are.

01:18:43.000 They're a bunch of people that are caught up in whatever the cultural moment is, whatever they think like the winds of.

01:18:49.000 Yeah.

01:18:50.000 The winds of discontent blow the hardest, right? 1.00

01:18:52.000 So the people that are going to get the most upset are the wokies. 1.00

01:18:56.000 They're the ones that are going to complain the most about a lack of diversity. 1.00

01:18:59.000 So to satisfy those people, they'll torch their own art, they'll fuck up the thing that they do best.

01:19:05.000 I mean, you can work with totally non creative people.

01:19:07.000 This was like.

01:19:09.000 There's a Frank Zappa line about how working in the music industry was great when it was just a guy in a suit who didn't care.

01:19:15.000 And as soon as people had some ideas, it was hard to make things.

01:19:18.000 Right.

01:19:19.000 When someone would tell you what to do and what not to do.

01:19:21.000 If it's a profit motive, that's great.

01:19:23.000 You can work with those people.

01:19:25.000 Yeah, right.

01:19:26.000 But there's no pure profit motive people anymore in terms of entertainment.

01:19:31.000 They're all thinking about the cultural tone and what you're supposed to and not supposed to do and being on the right side of history now. 0.86

01:19:42.000 Did you see the Patrice bit where he talked about how he liked working with mid level Jews? 0.83

01:19:46.000 No. 0.88

01:19:47.000 He's like, I like mid level Jews. 1.00

01:19:49.000 I make them the money. 1.00

01:19:50.000 They leave me alone.

01:19:53.000 That makes sense.

01:19:54.000 Yeah, the people that get in your way, they all think they're doing it for a good cause.

01:19:58.000 And we experienced that.

01:19:59.000 Like Stanhope and I, when we were doing the man show on Comedy Central, there was a lot of that.

01:20:03.000 Was there?

01:20:03.000 Yeah, dude.

01:20:04.000 I don't even want to go into it. 0.94

01:20:06.000 But there was, whenever you're, like, Ari experienced it when he was at Comedy Central, I know a lot of people that have experienced it at various networks where there's always some fucking executives. 0.79

01:20:16.000 That want to impose their, and it's always liberal, they want to impose their progressive values on comedy. 0.96

01:20:23.000 And it's like, you can't fucking do that if you want it to be funny.

01:20:27.000 If you want it to be funny, you have to, it has to be in the language and in the mind, like from the viewpoint of one person, one person's unique vision. 0.95

01:20:36.000 One person's unique vision that they think is hilarious.

01:20:39.000 And as soon as you start monkeying with that, as soon as you start adding stuff to that, as soon as you start watering it down, you're going to kill it.

01:20:46.000 You compromise it, it becomes a candidate for mediocrity.

01:20:49.000 But how did they.

01:20:50.000 Where did they start on the man show? 0.62

01:20:52.000 Were they like, get the girls off the trampolines?

01:20:54.000 No, it was like one of the things was they didn't want Joey Diaz coming out naked. 0.99

01:20:59.000 Okay, so we had an intro, and I said, this is what I want to do for the intro.

01:20:59.000 Okay.

01:21:03.000 I want Joey Diaz to come out.

01:21:05.000 He's going to burst through the door naked with Timbalands on, with a baseball hat on, and just say, let's get this party started and start dancing.

01:21:13.000 Yeah, it's fun.

01:21:13.000 It was hilarious, and they didn't want to do it.

01:21:16.000 So.

01:21:18.000 This is the scene, I guess.

01:21:21.000 But you did get to put your DJs in.

01:21:22.000 Yeah, well, we had to do it two ways.

01:21:24.000 We had to do it their way. 0.97

01:21:26.000 That's right. 1.00

01:21:27.000 We did it their way first.

01:21:29.000 And then when their way was done, we did it with Joey. 0.99

01:21:35.000 Everybody went fucking nuts. 0.99

01:21:37.000 They all went nuts. 1.00

01:21:39.000 It was awesome.

01:21:40.000 But it's like they so strongly resisted that.

01:21:43.000 That was the only way I wanted to do it.

01:21:44.000 And I said, listen, we'll do it your way first, and then we'll do it our way.

01:21:47.000 Meanwhile, that version with Joey was what they used in all the promos.

01:21:50.000 Yeah, of course.

01:21:51.000 They used that when they were like, No, they still use it.

01:21:53.000 No, they still use it. 0.87

01:21:54.000 And then Joey comes out and it was cock blurred out.

01:21:59.000 But you're just going to get a bunch of people who also want to have their fingerprints on what you're doing.

01:22:05.000 Yeah.

01:22:06.000 So they want to somehow or another change it.

01:22:08.000 Even if it doesn't make sense, what if your neighbor is a black guy who grew up with a white family?

01:22:15.000 I. What if your neighbor.

01:22:17.000 They want to like change it. 0.79

01:22:18.000 And then they, how do you do, how are you doing with the black guy who is the white family? 0.85

01:22:21.000 Like, I didn't even add that. 0.98

01:22:23.000 Come on, man.

01:22:24.000 Come on, man.

01:22:24.000 Yeah.

01:22:24.000 We got to play ball.

01:22:25.000 Like, these dipshits want to add their own little fucking ingredients into the soup. 1.00

01:22:30.000 Well, this, I mean, it's never been cheaper to make your own thing, I would have to think. 1.00

01:22:34.000 Never.

01:22:34.000 You could do it on a cell phone, you could upload it to YouTube.

01:22:37.000 And AI is incredible.

01:22:41.000 Yeah, there's a use for it.

01:22:42.000 I hope it doesn't.

01:22:45.000 I'm still uncomfortable about it.

01:22:47.000 You're a board.

01:22:48.000 You're playing new music backstage.

01:22:50.000 I didn't pick it.

01:22:51.000 That was good, right?

01:22:53.000 It's all good.

01:22:53.000 I find it frightening.

01:22:55.000 Yeah.

01:22:56.000 It's White Rabbit.

01:22:56.000 I don't like it.

01:22:57.000 It's the Jefferson Airplane version of White Rabbit.

01:23:01.000 Yeah.

01:23:01.000 But it's this bluesy new version of it that's all AI.

01:23:06.000 It's fantastic.

01:23:07.000 There's one where you can upload, you just upload your music or someone else's music, and they're like, it does all the mastering beautifully.

01:23:15.000 I mean, it's the end of, it is the end.

01:23:15.000 It's spooky.

01:23:18.000 It's the end of something.

01:23:19.000 There are technical jobs that are just gone now.

01:23:19.000 It's the beginning.

01:23:22.000 That's true.

01:23:23.000 But there's not a lot of Morse code operators either.

01:23:23.000 Yeah.

01:23:28.000 I think they should bring it back.

01:23:29.000 Bring back the steam engine. 0.99

01:23:32.000 We need coal powered fucking locomotives. 1.00

01:23:35.000 Listen, the Amish seem happy. 1.00

01:23:37.000 They got their buggies. 0.84

01:23:39.000 Try having a conversation with them about space. 1.00

01:23:41.000 They don't know jack shit. 1.00

01:23:42.000 They don't have autism, so they can't do it. 1.00

01:23:46.000 Talk to them about butter.

01:23:50.000 I think you're going to experience great change.

01:23:54.000 There's not a damn thing you can do about it, and so you just have to be zen about it.

01:23:58.000 I mean, some of the.

01:24:00.000 It's been like over a year since the driverless cars came to Austin.

01:24:04.000 And I've been in a bunch of them, the Waymos.

01:24:06.000 And they're not spreading out across the country the way that I thought they would. 0.60

01:24:09.000 Oh, they're in a lot of places.

01:24:10.000 They're all over Los Angeles.

01:24:12.000 They're in a lot of places.

01:24:12.000 They're in about three or four places.

01:24:14.000 But, like, they should have.

01:24:16.000 Obviously, the technology is there that no one should have to drive for a living.

01:24:19.000 Like, it would be cheaper to have the Waymo.

01:24:21.000 The technology is there.

01:24:22.000 They're on the freeway now.

01:24:24.000 I've never had one problem in a Waymo.

01:24:26.000 I don't know how many I've been in.

01:24:27.000 They've had problems here.

01:24:29.000 They've all got, because there's so many of them, they all met up in an intersection and got locked up.

01:24:34.000 That is funny.

01:24:35.000 Yeah.

01:24:35.000 Hilarious.

01:24:36.000 There was like a bunch of streets going into each other and they all came and then no one knew what to do.

01:24:40.000 But that's not as bad as like drunkenly T boning somebody.

01:24:43.000 Sure, but the thing is don't drink and drive, not let's let robots take our lives over, right?

01:24:50.000 That's not the solution. 0.99

01:24:52.000 I want the freedom of being able to hop in a fucking car and drive wherever I want. 0.99

01:24:55.000 They're going to take it. 1.00

01:24:56.000 That's the problem.

01:24:57.000 That's the problem.

01:24:58.000 The problem is it's going to be safer to have you off the road.

01:25:00.000 Exactly.

01:25:01.000 Exactly.

01:25:01.000 They're going to say statistically, you're more likely to die in a car accident if driven by a normal person than a robot.

01:25:08.000 I bet they'll.

01:25:09.000 You know, they'll give you, they'll offer little bonuses.

01:25:12.000 They'll say, when all the humans are off the road, speed limits are going up two or three times, or, you know, whatever they can handle, their reflexes are better.

01:25:20.000 Well, you know, a lot of kids today are not driving.

01:25:22.000 You know that?

01:25:22.000 A lot of kids today are just, they're just ordering Ubers and driving Waymos and.

01:25:29.000 I mean, I only got my driver's license at like 27.

01:25:32.000 Really?

01:25:32.000 Yeah, I was just on buses.

01:25:33.000 And then we had a child, and I was like, I better do it.

01:25:35.000 Now it's my favorite thing in the world.

01:25:36.000 Wow.

01:25:37.000 I love driving.

01:25:38.000 Did you not want a driver's license, or you just couldn't be bothered?

01:25:41.000 I wasn't good at it.

01:25:42.000 My parents were scared.

01:25:44.000 My parents were like, I don't want to get in the car with you.

01:25:47.000 Why were you so bad at it?

01:25:47.000 So my brother.

01:25:49.000 I don't know.

01:25:50.000 I don't know.

01:25:51.000 I was very uncoordinated until I was at a late puberty at 16, 17, and then I became coordinated.

01:25:59.000 Interesting.

01:25:59.000 But for a while then.

01:26:00.000 Yeah.

01:26:01.000 I don't know what I did.

01:26:02.000 Did they ever teach you how to?

01:26:04.000 You were dropped on your head as a child?

01:26:05.000 Yeah.

01:26:06.000 Then I think, with like, and then in my late teens.

01:26:06.000 Interesting.

01:26:08.000 How were you dropped on your head?

01:26:09.000 I fell out of a pran, out of a stroller.

01:26:12.000 I unbuckled myself and I stood up and fell down.

01:26:14.000 I don't think it had any brain impact.

01:26:16.000 People disagree.

01:26:16.000 Of course it did.

01:26:17.000 100% it did.

01:26:17.000 Yeah.

01:26:18.000 Big scar.

01:26:19.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

01:26:20.000 You fucked your head up. 1.00

01:26:21.000 That's why you're funny. 1.00

01:26:23.000 100%.

01:26:23.000 Maybe.

01:26:25.000 I got the coordination back at some point, but I like.

01:26:27.000 So you really think it affected your coordination all the way up into puberty?

01:26:31.000 Yeah, because it was, I was able to play sport at high school.

01:26:34.000 After I'd hit puberty, but only after puberty, and only sports that didn't really matter if I had all the skills.

01:26:40.000 So, like football, everyone's been doing it since they were four and they really know how to do it.

01:26:44.000 So, I was just like, no, it didn't matter that I could figure it out now.

01:26:47.000 Everyone had 10 years on me.

01:26:48.000 Right.

01:26:49.000 But I became an okay field hockey goalkeeper.

01:26:52.000 Oh, I had like one season in the top team as the field hockey goalkeeper because no one wanted to do it.

01:26:57.000 No one's really trained to do it.

01:26:58.000 Right.

01:26:58.000 It's just having fast reflexes.

01:27:00.000 So, that was fine. 0.97

01:27:01.000 Or like, I became okay at badminton because it was just me and the Asians.

01:27:06.000 You know, like tennis, there was no way to get good at tennis. 1.00

01:27:09.000 Right, you need a head start.

01:27:10.000 Squash, I could do a little bit.

01:27:12.000 But badminton's a great game.

01:27:14.000 Met a lot of malicious.

01:27:15.000 So, did you have a problem moving your body correctly?

01:27:19.000 Yeah, like I couldn't catch a ball.

01:27:22.000 Huh.

01:27:23.000 And you think it had to do with your head injury?

01:27:25.000 I, well, I have no idea.

01:27:27.000 Do you have brothers or sisters?

01:27:28.000 I have a brother, he's fine.

01:27:29.000 Is he an athlete?

01:27:31.000 No, I mean, he was.

01:27:33.000 He was younger than me, so I was in badminton, so he was, and then he was really good at badminton.

01:27:38.000 Yeah, he's hyper competitive.

01:27:40.000 He was always good at sport.

01:27:42.000 Compared to me, it was much better.

01:27:44.000 But then I could, like when I came to America and I started throwing a football, when I figured out I could throw a football, that was huge.

01:27:49.000 Is your brother funny?

01:27:51.000 Yeah, he actually got me into it, I thought comedy was over.

01:27:51.000 Yes.

01:27:56.000 This is how I met Shane.

01:27:58.000 He took me to go and see Shane.

01:28:00.000 I was sort of, this was, I don't know how many years ago, four years ago.

01:28:04.000 And I was sort of, I didn't know what was happening.

01:28:06.000 I had a three year old by that point and a new baby on the way.

01:28:11.000 And just in Australia, nothing was interesting to me and my career wasn't happening.

01:28:14.000 And he said, You should come and see this guy who got fired from SNL.

01:28:17.000 I didn't know him.

01:28:18.000 And I sat in the audience and I watched Shane perform for three or four hundred people in our hometown. 1.00

01:28:23.000 And I was like, Oh, fuck. 1.00

01:28:26.000 It's back. 1.00

01:28:27.000 Like, it's happening.

01:28:28.000 I knew there were a couple people on Netflix.

01:28:29.000 I knew, like, you had Netflix specials and Bill Burr and Louie, but it was like, these people are grandfathered in.

01:28:35.000 No one is ever going to be able to come through and be, you know.

01:28:38.000 Controversial.

01:28:39.000 No one in my generation is going to be given an opportunity.

01:28:41.000 And then I saw.

01:28:42.000 At all?

01:28:43.000 You just thought that new comedians were not going to make it?

01:28:46.000 In Australia, I can't say enough how there's like a.

01:28:51.000 It's been 20 years since someone got to be successful.

01:28:55.000 Jim Jeffries.

01:28:56.000 Never in Australia.

01:28:57.000 He had to leave.

01:28:58.000 Really?

01:28:59.000 Even now, the Melbourne Comedy Festival notoriously will not work with people who have worked with Jim Jeffries.

01:29:06.000 What?

01:29:07.000 That's a black stain on your character.

01:29:09.000 So if you open for him, you can't work at the.

01:29:11.000 They don't like you and they're not going to give you opportunities.

01:29:13.000 That's what people say.

01:29:14.000 That's what I've heard.

01:29:15.000 And everything that I've seen leads me.

01:29:18.000 Because he's not their person. 1.00

01:29:19.000 Fuck him. 1.00

01:29:21.000 They think of him as an extreme. 1.00

01:29:22.000 In America, he's like a liberal.

01:29:24.000 And in Australia, he's far right, dangerous man.

01:29:27.000 How could he say that?

01:29:28.000 That's what it is.

01:29:29.000 That's what it is.

01:29:30.000 It's his politics?

01:29:31.000 It's not that he didn't come up through their system.

01:29:31.000 Oh, yeah.

01:29:34.000 Uh, well, he didn't come.

01:29:36.000 I mean, he just left, right?

01:29:37.000 But he, I think, um, he didn't like them, they didn't like him.

01:29:42.000 I mean, there are people who have left and not been part of their system that they've totally gotten around, but they see what he is is like a manly man, and they don't like that.

01:29:49.000 Oh, no!

01:29:50.000 Oh, no!

01:29:51.000 No, they want you to be a cardigan.

01:29:53.000 Excuse me, I won't go on and on.

01:29:55.000 Go on and on.

01:29:56.000 It's there's like there was a generation of lost talent in Australia, like great John Cruikshank, fantastic.

01:30:01.000 Where's his show?

01:30:03.000 Um, I could you could name 15 people, but like, there was no opportunities for them.

01:30:08.000 It was hilariously gatekept.

01:30:13.000 Never good.

01:30:14.000 No.

01:30:15.000 So I didn't, I just thought, I'll have a conversation.

01:30:17.000 So, this is your perspective from Australia.

01:30:20.000 You never thought there was ever going to be an opportunity to make it as a comic.

01:30:22.000 My brother liked, I had kids.

01:30:24.000 I had stopped paying attention to the outside world.

01:30:26.000 My brother had not, and he took me to go and see Shane.

01:30:28.000 He was like, You should see this man.

01:30:30.000 And it was fantastic.

01:30:32.000 And I talked my way backstage because I knew the opener, because I didn't get to open for him, but I knew the opener.

01:30:37.000 And then I got to meet him and Matt, and then I got to go to Melbourne and open for him.

01:30:41.000 And then I came to America.

01:30:43.000 Were you doing any stand up before you opened for them in Melbourne?

01:30:45.000 How you've been practicing?

01:30:46.000 Yeah, I was doing stand up around.

01:30:48.000 Constantly, still.

01:30:49.000 But I would just have 50 or 100 people in a different city, and I would show up and make enough money for the flight and like an extra thousand bucks or something.

01:30:57.000 But it was.

01:30:58.000 Like, I couldn't pay rent that way.

01:31:00.000 Right.

01:31:00.000 You were scratching by.

01:31:00.000 I couldn't.

01:31:02.000 It was, yeah, I was struggling.

01:31:04.000 This is why when we did come to, when I got the Catholic job and I came to America, it was all, I borrowed from everybody.

01:31:10.000 Like, I was in thousands of dollars of debt to family and friends.

01:31:13.000 How did Arj Barker make it in Australia?

01:31:16.000 He did a show called Flight of the Concords.

01:31:18.000 He was on that.

01:31:20.000 And he was beloved by the festival and he did lots of gala spots.

01:31:23.000 And we really, there's a couple.

01:31:24.000 So it's the festival?

01:31:25.000 The festival broke everybody, yeah.

01:31:27.000 So that controls comedy in Australia?

01:31:29.000 Yes.

01:31:29.000 There's a guy called Rodney Roode who's really funny.

01:31:32.000 Who was before that?

01:31:34.000 Is he in the festival?

01:31:35.000 He's not in the festival.

01:31:36.000 He can't be in the festival.

01:31:37.000 He would go to like RSLs and things.

01:31:38.000 He has great. 1.00

01:31:39.000 Get out of here, you homeless fuck! 1.00

01:31:41.000 That's a great bit. 1.00

01:31:42.000 Okay.

01:31:43.000 Kevin Bloody Wilson.

01:31:45.000 But these are like that older generation.

01:31:47.000 Yeah, after that though, it was.

01:31:50.000 So it's captured, it's gate kept by one ideology.

01:31:54.000 By one lady running one festival.

01:31:56.000 Oh. 0.98

01:31:56.000 No disrespect. 0.98

01:31:57.000 I'm sure she's very nice.

01:31:59.000 I don't want to talk her down.

01:32:00.000 I would have loved an opportunity once anyway.

01:32:03.000 It doesn't matter.

01:32:04.000 I don't need you anymore.

01:32:08.000 Wow.

01:32:09.000 That's never good.

01:32:10.000 It's never good because people with that kind of power, they also abuse it.

01:32:13.000 They really enjoy it.

01:32:15.000 How could you not?

01:32:16.000 You don't have to.

01:32:18.000 You got hundreds of desperate people who are, please give me an opportunity.

01:32:21.000 I've got that.

01:32:22.000 I don't do it.

01:32:24.000 No, but you're a very strange person and you're alone.

01:32:28.000 That's why people love you.

01:32:30.000 But there's definitely, there are casting couches.

01:32:32.000 Yeah, but you can just be nice and being nice and helping people.

01:32:36.000 Especially talented people, it gives you great satisfaction.

01:32:39.000 You feel great about it.

01:32:41.000 I always tell people it's really selfish to be generous because it feels great.

01:32:45.000 It's wonderful to help people. 0.94

01:32:46.000 It feels fucking awesome. 0.80

01:32:48.000 And it's great to see people thrive and take off. 0.96

01:32:51.000 It's fun, it's exciting.

01:32:52.000 And then you hang out with them in the green room and it's just all joy.

01:32:55.000 Also, I don't want to say that they don't do that.

01:32:57.000 They're helping a lot of people who have a very specific ideology.

01:33:01.000 Listen, we don't have that.

01:33:03.000 Our ideology is the opposite.

01:33:05.000 Our ideology is are you funny? 0.98

01:33:07.000 I don't give a fuck if you're a liberal and funny or like Brian Holtzman. 0.99

01:33:13.000 Ryan Setnik was on last night and she was like, she was a big lefty. 0.99

01:33:13.000 Whatever. 0.99

01:33:16.000 She's a dear friend and she's going to open for me this weekend.

01:33:19.000 But she was like in New York.

01:33:21.000 She was raised in Sacramento.

01:33:23.000 She went to New York.

01:33:24.000 She was like a very lefty, progressive person. 1.00

01:33:27.000 And I remember like nights at the mothership where she would scream at the audience, you're a fucking fascist. 1.00

01:33:31.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

01:33:32.000 Like she was really like baked in and they loved it. 1.00

01:33:34.000 People, there's a lefty lady just like off her nut, angry at everybody. 1.00

01:33:38.000 And people were. 1.00

01:33:38.000 Just if you're funny. 1.00

01:33:39.000 It was fine.

01:33:40.000 There is no equivalent of that.

01:33:41.000 No, you just have to be funny.

01:33:43.000 Yeah.

01:33:43.000 Like, it's all just funny.

01:33:44.000 Like, if you're funny, a lefty funny, funny, Brian Holtzman funny, Tony Hinchcliffe funny.

01:33:50.000 It doesn't matter.

01:33:50.000 Yeah.

01:33:51.000 Just be funny.

01:33:51.000 Just work on your stuff, work on it.

01:33:54.000 Like, really put a lot of time and energy into your craft.

01:33:57.000 Come up with great bits.

01:33:59.000 When I'm on these flights, I'm watching, like, all the official sanctioned, like, non Netflix specials, but some of them that are on HBO and some are on Hulu.

01:34:06.000 And it's people who.

01:34:07.000 There's a weird way that audiences.

01:34:10.000 Like, I'm watching official mainstream, whatever.

01:34:12.000 It's not mainstream because the audiences are tiny by comparison.

01:34:15.000 But you know what I mean?

01:34:16.000 Like, sort of like orthodox sanctioned comedy in America.

01:34:20.000 And the jokes are so mild.

01:34:23.000 But then the audience is like.

01:34:25.000 Supposedly, the top of the audience.

01:34:27.000 Yeah.

01:34:28.000 They're all on antidepressants.

01:34:29.000 They sound crazy. 1.00

01:34:30.000 They are crazy. 0.99

01:34:31.000 And it's like cheap, nothing punchlines. 0.99

01:34:34.000 Exactly.

01:34:34.000 And it's just at the slightest, my boyfriend.

01:34:37.000 Like, I couldn't even.

01:34:39.000 Yay.

01:34:40.000 Yeah, well, it's clapping.

01:34:41.000 It's clapped her, right?

01:34:43.000 So you're also reinforcing their ideology.

01:34:45.000 So they're very excited about it because they kind of realize their ideology is very fringe and dying out.

01:34:50.000 As much as it's perpetrated through Hollywood, it's rejected by a lot of rational people.

01:34:55.000 It's over.

01:34:56.000 Yeah, it's over.

01:34:57.000 I was watching, I went to a bar last night and I watched The Tonight Show, and God bless everybody involved.

01:35:02.000 But it's like, okay, well, this is done.

01:35:04.000 This is winding down.

01:35:05.000 This is not a cultural thing. 0.89

01:35:06.000 This was the most like.

01:35:08.000 The Tonight Show's winding down?

01:35:10.000 Just in terms of how many people are watching it, and like, you know, doing a set on a Tonight Show used to be that was it, right?

01:35:17.000 Move tickets on the road on Johnny Carson, and now people are going, that's his 15th Tonight Show appearance.

01:35:17.000 Johnny Carson.

01:35:22.000 But it kind of died out even before then.

01:35:24.000 Like the impact of the Jay Leno sets, like if you did a set on Jay Leno's Tonight Show, it didn't have nearly the impact that Johnny Carson did.

01:35:31.000 And that's just because by then there were so many channels.

01:35:34.000 Yeah.

01:35:34.000 So when Johnny Carson was on The Tonight Show, there were three channels in the country.

01:35:39.000 Yeah.

01:35:40.000 Yeah.

01:35:40.000 That's how crazy it was.

01:35:40.000 You know?

01:35:41.000 And then slowly but surely, cable came around, Fox came around, all these other networks.

01:35:47.000 And then everything just expanded.

01:35:49.000 Now you have streaming, and now it's insane.

01:35:51.000 Now the numbers are out.

01:35:52.000 Is it over at the end of Carson for that?

01:35:54.000 Yeah, I believe so.

01:35:55.000 I believe by the time Jay Leno came around, like when did Jay Leno first start hosting The Tonight Show?

01:35:55.000 Okay.

01:36:01.000 Let's guess.

01:36:01.000 Early 90s?

01:36:03.000 Yeah.

01:36:03.000 Mid 90s, 94.

01:36:04.000 Probably.

01:36:05.000 So that was right around the time cable was coming out.

01:36:07.000 Yeah.

01:36:07.000 Cable changed everything.

01:36:09.000 So with cable, you got, first of all, you got Even Eat The Improv, MTV Half Hour Comedy Hour, Spotlight Cafe.

01:36:18.000 There was a bunch of different shows that were on a bunch of different networks.

01:36:21.000 There was all these comedy shows that were all over the place.

01:36:23.000 92.

01:36:25.000 92.

01:36:25.000 Which makes sense because, like, that's when cable started becoming really ubiquitous in America.

01:36:31.000 Like, and then you have so many fucking channels. 0.99

01:36:34.000 So. 0.96

01:36:35.000 The impact of a single show was not the same anymore because during the, let's find this out.

01:36:40.000 During the height of the Tonight Show, what was the average viewers?

01:36:45.000 This is spooky.

01:36:45.000 I looked this up.

01:36:47.000 I bet it's like 40 million.

01:36:49.000 Well, it's like, I think the, I mean, even by the end of Friends, like sitcom, mainstream shows.

01:36:54.000 Yeah, but that's different because that's earlier.

01:36:56.000 So the Tonight Show is late at night.

01:36:57.000 But like just average Tonight Show episodes?

01:36:59.000 Yeah.

01:36:59.000 You see, this is the thing.

01:37:00.000 Tonight Show is 11 p.m. 0.99

01:37:01.000 That's after the fucking news. 0.99

01:37:03.000 That's late at night, right? 1.00

01:37:05.000 Yes.

01:37:06.000 Isn't it 11?

01:37:07.000 Is that when it starts or 10?

01:37:08.000 When does Tonight Show start?

01:37:10.000 It's 11 30 East, 10 30 Central.

01:37:13.000 Okay.

01:37:13.000 It's like 11 30 in New York.

01:37:15.000 Is it a million people?

01:37:16.000 How many now?

01:37:18.000 No, then.

01:37:19.000 What would it be then?

01:37:20.000 The viewers?

01:37:20.000 What do you mean?

01:37:21.000 Yeah.

01:37:22.000 Like how many people?

01:37:22.000 Way more than a million.

01:37:23.000 Like 10 million?

01:37:24.000 Oh, yeah.

01:37:25.000 Easily.

01:37:26.000 The Tonight Show viewers?

01:37:27.000 I bet it was 30.

01:37:30.000 What is the average Tonight Show viewers in 1980?

01:37:34.000 Let's say 1980.

01:37:35.000 It's like 15% of the country.

01:37:37.000 Bro, it was that big.

01:37:38.000 It was where people went to find out what was going on.

01:37:41.000 What movies were coming out?

01:37:42.000 What bands were coming out?

01:37:44.000 What comics were funny?

01:37:46.000 I remember.

01:37:47.000 So let's try 1980.

01:37:48.000 Oh, hold on a second.

01:37:48.000 Sorry.

01:37:51.000 Average viewers of The Tonight Show in 1980.

01:37:55.000 That's giving me a rating, not the numbers.

01:37:59.000 Oh, it's like as a percentage?

01:38:01.000 No.

01:38:01.000 What were the average number of viewers on The Tonight Show in 1980?

01:38:10.000 Let's see.

01:38:13.000 Six to seven million.

01:38:13.000 How many?

01:38:15.000 Six to seven million was average.

01:38:17.000 This is eight to ten.

01:38:19.000 But by.

01:38:20.000 Yeah, so but like.

01:38:21.000 All right, even eight to ten.

01:38:22.000 But what is it now?

01:38:23.000 Six to seven.

01:38:24.000 Let's think of that. 1.00

01:38:24.000 God, fuck it. 1.00

01:38:25.000 Like a hundred thousand? 1.00

01:38:26.000 A tenth thousand.

01:38:28.000 I don't even know if it's that.

01:38:29.000 And here's the thing about ratings the ratings are very weird because it's based on this.

01:38:35.000 You have boxes that are connected to your television.

01:38:38.000 Do you know how it works?

01:38:39.000 Yeah.

01:38:39.000 So, the way these ratings work is they get a certain number of people.

01:38:39.000 Yeah.

01:38:43.000 Then they send them.

01:38:44.000 And the certain number of people you actually pay, they pay these people to have this box.

01:38:49.000 And then some of them have to fill out a form.

01:38:50.000 I don't know how that works.

01:38:52.000 And then it just records what you're watching.

01:38:55.000 And so it's just based on these people.

01:38:58.000 So it's not the whole country.

01:38:59.000 We didn't.

01:38:59.000 No country.

01:39:00.000 But with like Netflix, it's a different animal.

01:39:02.000 They know the exact number of people that are downloading.

01:39:05.000 They know when people are tuning out.

01:39:05.000 But who's going to download?

01:39:06.000 They know which shot is upsetting people.

01:39:08.000 It's crazy.

01:39:09.000 They know the moment where people tune out.

01:39:11.000 Yeah.

01:39:12.000 Well, they also have an insane amount of options.

01:39:15.000 Like, if you're bored even slightly, you press a button, you have new options, and they're instantaneous.

01:39:21.000 Back then, you had two other options other than whatever.

01:39:25.000 Was it NBC, The Tonight Show?

01:39:28.000 Was it NBC?

01:39:29.000 We got different channels.

01:39:29.000 Yeah.

01:39:30.000 The Tonight Show.

01:39:32.000 I'm nostalgic for that.

01:39:33.000 I only had that until I was like 10.

01:39:35.000 Yeah.

01:39:36.000 But it was, I've started watching TV again.

01:39:40.000 It's just like I'm role playing in my living room when I have a beer and I watch, like, terrestrial broadcasts now.

01:39:44.000 Like, I watch Survivor with my family at night.

01:39:46.000 And with commercials and everything?

01:39:48.000 Man, I watch the lead in.

01:39:49.000 I watch the new Matlock afterwards for five minutes before I get sick of it and turn it off.

01:39:53.000 I watch Who Wants to Be a Millionaire beforehand.

01:39:56.000 It's for people that are on heavy pharmaceutical drugs.

01:40:00.000 It's for people that are.

01:40:01.000 It feels nice.

01:40:01.000 It feels like a lot of people are at the world.

01:40:04.000 Their mouth is open.

01:40:04.000 Their senses are dulled.

01:40:06.000 They're like, I was this.

01:40:08.000 I started doing.

01:40:08.000 Someone committed a crime.

01:40:09.000 They better solve it.

01:40:10.000 There's only 10 minutes left.

01:40:11.000 I would have friends come over.

01:40:13.000 This is what I've started doing at home.

01:40:15.000 Watch TV?

01:40:17.000 Australian Survivor, which is, I think, the world's finest.

01:40:21.000 Is it still Jeff Probst or is it a different host?

01:40:23.000 No, it's a different host.

01:40:24.000 You got an Australian guy?

01:40:25.000 We had Jonathan La Palia, who was Anthony La Palia's brother, but then he got shafted.

01:40:30.000 It's very upsetting, and they got a new host.

01:40:32.000 Jonathan, Anthony La Palia, the actor?

01:40:34.000 Yeah.

01:40:35.000 Jonathan La Palia was very good.

01:40:36.000 We still get the shaft?

01:40:38.000 No, I don't know why.

01:40:39.000 No, I don't know, but he was great.

01:40:39.000 No one knows?

01:40:41.000 Maybe it was wrong think.

01:40:45.000 You know, I've never heard him express an opinion.

01:40:47.000 He would do a lot of sexual double entendre during the show.

01:40:50.000 The other good one is the South African survivor.

01:40:50.000 Yeah, it was that.

01:40:53.000 Is it?

01:40:53.000 Yeah, because they've got the accent.

01:40:55.000 So all the challenges feel way nastier.

01:40:57.000 Look at that.

01:40:58.000 He's struggling now.

01:40:59.000 He's really starting to sweat.

01:41:01.000 He's digging into his feet.

01:41:03.000 He's in a lot of pain.

01:41:05.000 I love South African survivors.

01:41:06.000 They had a bunch of different versions of Fear Factor that I wasn't even aware of.

01:41:09.000 Different countries got Fear Factor?

01:41:11.000 A hundred different countries.

01:41:12.000 Did they get guys who were like you?

01:41:13.000 Is there like a Finnish Joe Rogan?

01:41:14.000 I'm just joking.

01:41:16.000 I mean, they had someone that was like that.

01:41:19.000 That would be funny to see who they.

01:41:22.000 Like, because they would be trying to replicate you.

01:41:25.000 Not necessarily.

01:41:27.000 Like, Ludacris didn't try to replicate me when he did it.

01:41:29.000 They got Ludacris to do it?

01:41:30.000 Yeah, in America.

01:41:32.000 I didn't know Ludacris was going to stick over for a short amount of time.

01:41:34.000 And now Johnny Knoxville's doing it, and he's doing it his own way, too.

01:41:37.000 Sure.

01:41:38.000 It's a pretty straightforward show, you don't have to do it my way.

01:41:42.000 But what I was good at is because I came from a background in martial arts coaching.

01:41:47.000 Like, I had students, and I would bring them to tournaments, and I coached them at tournaments.

01:41:50.000 I was really good at getting people fired up.

01:41:53.000 You know, and I'd coach teammates.

01:41:55.000 Like, I would be in the corner of teammates and I'd coach them.

01:41:57.000 And I'd train people.

01:41:58.000 Like, one of the reasons why I got really good at Taekwondo so quickly is because I taught.

01:42:03.000 And when you teach something, there's something interesting, and I've noticed that about jujitsu as well.

01:42:06.000 When you teach something, you get better at it.

01:42:08.000 Like, exponentially better than people that are just training.

01:42:12.000 I mean, with comedy, there's a huge faux pas against teaching.

01:42:15.000 You can't teach it.

01:42:16.000 No.

01:42:17.000 You can't teach comedy.

01:42:18.000 Like, you do it so different than I do it.

01:42:18.000 It's different.

01:42:20.000 I do it so different than Shane.

01:42:21.000 Shane does it so different than I do it.

01:42:22.000 I maintain there are things you could teach people.

01:42:25.000 Like when people come on Kiltoni and they haven't been doing it for very long, there are key things that you can tell people.

01:42:29.000 Yeah.

01:42:30.000 You must stop doing that.

01:42:31.000 You've got to hold the microphone like this.

01:42:31.000 Yeah.

01:42:33.000 Yeah, that's true.

01:42:33.000 We've got to be able to hear you.

01:42:34.000 And I think people waste a lot of time not knowing those.

01:42:37.000 I mean, they could look it up.

01:42:38.000 But didn't you figure those things out?

01:42:40.000 Yeah.

01:42:41.000 So it's people that aren't that aware in the first place.

01:42:43.000 And that's a problem to begin with.

01:42:45.000 So what it is is a lack of self examination.

01:42:48.000 Yeah.

01:42:48.000 A lot of what these problems are, you could solve yourself if you just recorded yourself or filmed yourself.

01:42:55.000 Filmed is the best.

01:42:56.000 Recorded is pretty good.

01:42:56.000 Yes.

01:42:57.000 Film is 100%. 0.99

01:42:58.000 So, filming, you get to see all the things you hate about yourself, all the things that are gross, all the weird, stupid parts of your bits that you need to chop out, and they make you uncomfortable, and it's good. 1.00

01:43:08.000 And you just, oh, fuck that bit, fuck this, cut this, put that. 1.00

01:43:11.000 Oh, here's another, oh, I didn't even think of this. 1.00

01:43:13.000 And then, boom.

01:43:14.000 I'm doing it at the moment.

01:43:14.000 I mean, that's.

01:43:15.000 I'm finding it heartbreaking.

01:43:16.000 Because you're just getting back into the real world again.

01:43:19.000 Oh, I did.

01:43:20.000 You were trapped on.

01:43:22.000 I was doing hours in Australia, and I knew that some of it would translate in America, and some of it wouldn't.

01:43:27.000 And man, it is just.

01:43:29.000 I'm losing 80%.

01:43:31.000 Which is great.

01:43:32.000 I tried to overwrite so I would have more than I needed.

01:43:34.000 So, did you have a lot of Australian based jokes, like local jokes?

01:43:37.000 Eventually, I had to.

01:43:39.000 Like, I started out trying to do nothing local.

01:43:42.000 And then you're like, you're just there, and the prime minister does something appalling, and you start talking about.

01:43:46.000 Oh, yeah.

01:43:47.000 You're going to have to have some stuff.

01:43:48.000 Yeah.

01:43:49.000 Yeah.

01:43:49.000 That's interesting.

01:43:50.000 Anything about your politics will not translate over here.

01:43:54.000 Not at all. 0.99

01:43:54.000 We don't give a fuck. 0.99

01:43:56.000 You don't have nuclear weapons. 1.00

01:43:57.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

01:43:58.000 You're not even a real country. 1.00

01:44:00.000 I'm trying to get some.

01:44:01.000 I'm trying to sort us out.

01:44:02.000 Did you see what happened yesterday that the FBI has indicted the Southern Poverty Law Center?

01:44:09.000 Paying Nazis to protest.

01:44:09.000 On what?

01:44:12.000 So, this was something that Alex Jones had said.

01:44:14.000 Do you remember that Charlottesville tiki torch thing years ago?

01:44:18.000 Alex Jones said back then that they were being paid, that these are paid actors to go and do that.

01:44:23.000 And people thought he was insane.

01:44:24.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:44:25.000 Turns out it's true.

01:44:27.000 Turns out they were paying the Ku Klux Klan, they were paying a bunch of these far right radical organizations.

01:44:35.000 Giving them money to protest so they would have something to fight against.

01:44:38.000 We're going to the Capitol.

01:44:40.000 Over here.

01:44:41.000 Look at this.

01:44:42.000 DOJ charges Southern Poverty Law Center with fraud over secret funding of extremist groups. 1.00

01:44:48.000 Fucking crazy. 0.99

01:44:48.000 I was mad. 0.99

01:44:49.000 That's so that the Onion is buying InfoWars and turning into like an anti gun advocate.

01:44:53.000 And it's like it's a $1.5 billion thing he had to pay for getting one thing wrong one time.

01:44:58.000 Yeah.

01:44:59.000 How many things did he have to be right about?

01:45:01.000 He's right about a lot, I'll tell you that.

01:45:03.000 And the Onion thing, I don't even know if other people were allowed to bid.

01:45:06.000 I don't know how that works.

01:45:07.000 Out, but I think there were other people that were trying to bid that couldn't. 0.59

01:45:10.000 It's Hinky that were like supporters of Alex Jones, yeah.

01:45:16.000 Let's go back up.

01:45:18.000 Stop. 0.91

01:45:19.000 Hold on.

01:45:20.000 Between 2014 and 2023, Southern Poverty Law Center paid at least $3 million to eight individuals, some of whom were associated with the Ku Klux Klan, United Clans of America, National Socialist Party of America, Aryan Nations affiliated Sadistic Souls Motorcycle Club.

01:45:39.000 Yeah, that's a mouthful.

01:45:41.000 And the American Front said acting U.S. Attorney General Todd Blanch.

01:45:46.000 At the press conference. 1.00

01:45:47.000 Holy fuck. 1.00

01:45:47.000 Manufacturing the. 1.00

01:45:48.000 Well, this is what you said before about people who need homelessness to keep going.

01:45:51.000 Well, this is what's crazy.

01:45:52.000 They need that to keep going.

01:45:53.000 But this is what's crazy.

01:45:54.000 These people were cited as an expert in extremist groups.

01:45:58.000 Yeah.

01:45:59.000 And they were paying extremist groups in order to be extreme.

01:46:03.000 They said they were paying for, like, information, I think.

01:46:07.000 Right.

01:46:08.000 They had them planted there or something like that.

01:46:10.000 But what about the CIA? 1.00

01:46:11.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

01:46:13.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

01:46:14.000 No, you weren't. 1.00

01:46:15.000 Have you ever been to the CIA?

01:46:16.000 Listen, it's just like what Israel gets accused of doing with Hamas.

01:46:20.000 That Netanyahu has said by getting money and giving to Hamas, you keep Hamas in power and you can control the height of the flame.

01:46:28.000 So instead of letting Palestine get its own statehood, you keep Hamas in charge.

01:46:34.000 You always have an enemy and you always have no reason to give Palestine statehood.

01:46:40.000 I don't know how deep people went into what happened on the security on October 7th. 0.94

01:46:44.000 How that was allowed to happen.

01:46:45.000 It's not.

01:46:46.000 It's a total stand down.

01:46:47.000 People were told to stand down.

01:46:49.000 First of all, it's the most surveilled.

01:46:52.000 Country on earth.

01:46:53.000 On guards everywhere.

01:46:54.000 On guards everywhere, surrounded by their enemy.

01:46:56.000 And somehow or another, these guys pulled this off when they were warned by Egypt as well.

01:47:01.000 Yeah.

01:47:02.000 Also, here's another thing.

01:47:04.000 Before that happened, before that happened, before October 7th, hundreds of thousands of people in the street protesting against Netanyahu.

01:47:12.000 Did you read about why?

01:47:14.000 It's so strange because their constitution, they don't have a set constitution.

01:47:18.000 They're writing their constitution in real time.

01:47:21.000 They add one article at a time.

01:47:22.000 I think I'm getting this right. 0.54

01:47:24.000 And it was, Israel was always meant to be.

01:47:26.000 A home for the Jews, and that he made it expressly a Jewish state, that it would be. 0.53

01:47:35.000 I thought they were expanding the powers of the government. 0.96

01:47:37.000 Am I getting this right? 0.81

01:47:39.000 It was that the government, yes, that was part of the government's powers, is that the government then had the power to act on behalf of Jewish interests. 0.66

01:47:48.000 So it's like they could exclude certain areas from voting if it would mean, and citizenship if it doesn't mean that it would challenge the government.

01:47:57.000 Put in a search for what was the reason why people were protesting Netanyahu before October 7th.

01:48:03.000 I think I'm getting this right.

01:48:04.000 I think you are.

01:48:05.000 That he was stopping it being a secular.

01:48:07.000 I think that was one of the things, but there was also something in that they were expanding the government's powers and people were protesting against it. 0.84

01:48:16.000 Also, the corruption charges that he's facing are crazy.

01:48:20.000 Well, and also they want to try him and he's saying, you can't try me because we're at war.

01:48:25.000 And so if the war never ends, yeah, it keeps bombing Lebanon.

01:48:29.000 People were primarily protesting Netanyahu because his government was pushing a sweeping judicial overhaul that many Israelis saw as an attack on democracy and a way to shield him and his allies from accountability.

01:48:40.000 Judicial overhaul plan.

01:48:42.000 Netanyahu's coalition introduced reforms to greatly limit the powers of Israel's Supreme Court and increase political control over judicial appointments.

01:48:52.000 Critics argued this would remove key checks and balances and allow the government to pass almost anything without effective legal oversight.

01:48:59.000 I mean, this guy has been in charge of Israel forever.

01:49:03.000 I will say this thing is forever.

01:49:05.000 Having your leaders be up on corruption charges is happening.

01:49:08.000 I mean, they tried it with like in Brazil, it's like with Bolsonaro.

01:49:13.000 But also, with Lula before then, I mean, Trump, if he hadn't won, they would have got him in jail on something, most likely.

01:49:21.000 I mean, they were trying to get him in jail on anything.

01:49:23.000 Yeah, you've got to not chase politicians through the courts as best you can.

01:49:26.000 I mean, if people really have done the wrong thing, maybe you have to hold them to account.

01:49:30.000 Well, it depends on what I don't think Netanyahu's, I don't know what his allegations are, but apparently they're very serious to the point where they're trying to try him while the war is going on.

01:49:42.000 They want to try him now, yeah.

01:49:45.000 Israel really locks up their politicians.

01:49:49.000 They actually follow through on these things.

01:49:51.000 Yeah.

01:49:53.000 But I don't know enough about their politics to know whether or not he's guilty of anything.

01:49:57.000 But it's the look.

01:49:58.000 The look is not great.

01:49:59.000 I mean, like, in. 0.97

01:49:59.000 It's not the fucking look of, like, they call a ceasefire and he bombs Lebanon. 0.97

01:50:02.000 That's not great either. 0.98

01:50:03.000 The next day, Ukraine is meant to have an election at some point, I think.

01:50:08.000 No, no, no.

01:50:08.000 It's been a while.

01:50:09.000 We have a war.

01:50:10.000 Well, it's been a while.

01:50:10.000 You can't have an election while war's going on.

01:50:12.000 America can.

01:50:13.000 You did it in the Civil War. 0.51

01:50:15.000 Yeah.

01:50:15.000 Well, if we did that today, if Trump said, hey, I have to stay president because we're at war, no.

01:50:22.000 People would go fucking crazy. 0.99

01:50:23.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:50:24.000 They would light New York City on fire.

01:50:26.000 Yeah.

01:50:26.000 There's no chance.

01:50:27.000 No.

01:50:28.000 That's nuts.

01:50:29.000 So you get what you're willing to tolerate as a country.

01:50:31.000 I guess.

01:50:33.000 I guess.

01:50:34.000 But I think that what's going on in Israel is particularly spooky because you've got these people that supposedly came to this place to get away from the persecution that they were facing all throughout Europe, right?

01:50:47.000 And so what's the first thing they do? 0.99

01:50:50.000 Well, immediately take out the people that are living there. 0.98

01:50:54.000 You have the Nakba where people are talking about it and talking about the experience of. 1.00

01:50:58.000 Going into these Palestinian neighborhoods and taking over their land. 0.98

01:51:02.000 But that is how you build a country. 1.00

01:51:03.000 You have to put.

01:51:04.000 I mean, America.

01:51:05.000 You take a spot where there's no one there.

01:51:08.000 No one is going to that one sliver of land between Egypt and Sudan.

01:51:13.000 Well, it's also that. 0.54

01:51:14.000 No one's going.

01:51:14.000 It has a biblical significance to that area.

01:51:19.000 Sure, everybody wants it.

01:51:20.000 Yeah.

01:51:21.000 It's like that is a.

01:51:23.000 I mean, it's Jerusalem.

01:51:25.000 I mean, the significance of that.

01:51:27.000 And the fact.

01:51:28.000 It's really ironic that the people that. 0.53

01:51:30.000 Don't even believe Jesus is the Messiah, are the ones that are controlling Jerusalem, which is kind of hilarious. 0.98

01:51:35.000 I don't know. 0.90

01:51:35.000 The church, Catholics, I don't think we ever gave up our right to it. 0.90

01:51:40.000 To Jerusalem?

01:51:41.000 Yeah.

01:51:42.000 Really?

01:51:42.000 I'm pretty sure.

01:51:44.000 I mean, the Catholics, the Vatican City didn't have an embassy in Israel until the 60s, the 70s. 0.98

01:51:50.000 It was the old school Vatican, back in the Roman days. 0.99

01:51:53.000 I bet they would declare war on Israel and take the Jewish people. 1.00

01:51:55.000 I want the guy with the silver mask doing that. 1.00

01:51:58.000 I think, yeah.

01:52:00.000 I just did, do you know Winston, the guy from.

01:52:00.000 That's what you want?

01:52:04.000 You saw him last night.

01:52:04.000 You know Winston?

01:52:05.000 We met Winston last night.

01:52:06.000 I did his podcast.

01:52:08.000 And yeah, he's all about the Crusades.

01:52:10.000 He's trying to get me geeked up about it.

01:52:11.000 I don't know enough about him, but he was like, oh, good, weren't they?

01:52:13.000 He kept researching.

01:52:14.000 Yeah, but he kept trying to nudge me to be like, did you like the Crusades?

01:52:18.000 I haven't.

01:52:18.000 It's like, I don't know.

01:52:19.000 Why?

01:52:19.000 Is he a fan?

01:52:20.000 I got the impression that he was waiting to say that they were great.

01:52:24.000 That it was a good thing for the world?

01:52:27.000 I don't know yet.

01:52:27.000 What?

01:52:28.000 I don't know.

01:52:29.000 I haven't read enough about it.

01:52:30.000 My gut impulse is that they might have been great.

01:52:33.000 Really?

01:52:34.000 Wow.

01:52:36.000 Not always.

01:52:37.000 No war is, you know.

01:52:39.000 But something about, I don't know, every time I see that meme where there's that, like that music playing, and the guy with the silver mask from the Kingdom of Heaven, and he's doing that, I think, yeah, all right.

01:52:49.000 Yeah, let's get in there.

01:52:49.000 You like that, right?

01:52:50.000 Interesting.

01:52:51.000 But, you know. 0.68

01:52:53.000 Well, the crazy thing to me about the Israel Palestine thing is this idea that they're going to turn Gaza into some sort of a resort. 0.62

01:53:00.000 You've seen the, I won't spoil it, the Tim Dillon bit? 0.64

01:53:02.000 Amazing.

01:53:03.000 Yeah.

01:53:03.000 Amazing bit.

01:53:05.000 Have you heard his rant on the Epstein files?

01:53:07.000 Like, I posted it on Twitter.

01:53:08.000 Yeah.

01:53:09.000 He did a podcast all about the Epstein fight?

01:53:12.000 Yeah, no, I saw that one.

01:53:12.000 Yes, I did.

01:53:14.000 Fuck, I was clapping in my throat. 1.00

01:53:15.000 He's doing, he's on fine form. 1.00

01:53:18.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

01:53:18.000 Well, this is the kind of chaos that is going on in the world today is perfect for a guy like him.

01:53:24.000 Well, he can also keep up with it.

01:53:25.000 I can do it for a few days at a time.

01:53:28.000 He's very well up on it.

01:53:29.000 I called him last night on the way home from the club.

01:53:31.000 Yeah.

01:53:32.000 We talked for like 20 minutes, and he's just all keyed up on everything that's happening, brew.

01:53:37.000 It's going to be okay? 0.98

01:53:39.000 No one fucking knows. 0.98

01:53:40.000 I mean, what's going on with Iran's ceasefire? 0.99

01:53:42.000 Supposedly they extended it, but then they're shooting at ships.

01:53:46.000 Why is there a war?

01:53:49.000 I got into this argument about, like, what is, is like whether, because the Pope has said it's not a just war.

01:53:55.000 But I don't know the reason.

01:53:56.000 I thought that the reason they had given was regime change, that they wanted to get different people in charge. 0.62

01:54:02.000 Well, people have wanted people out of Iran, the people that are running Iran for 47 years.

01:54:08.000 But if no one has actually gone and done it, The way this administration did it, and it doesn't make sense they choose to do it when they did it. 0.58

01:54:16.000 Like, what made sense was maybe kind of makes sense when they dropped that bunker buster bomb to disable their nuclear plant or nuclear weapons manufacturing.

01:54:26.000 But then they just sort of wound down.

01:54:28.000 Yeah, that kind of, that was like, that's it.

01:54:31.000 But then when we went back into Iran, I'm like, what happened? 0.97

01:54:35.000 I mean, like, what caused that?

01:54:36.000 Trump gave that.

01:54:37.000 So he said the protests happen, and then he gives the speech going, you know, the people have to rise up and replace.

01:54:44.000 Yeah.

01:54:45.000 But it doesn't seem to be happening.

01:54:47.000 Well, a lot of people got killed.

01:54:48.000 A lot of people trying to rise up got killed.

01:54:50.000 They actually just put a halt on executing some women today. 1.00

01:54:56.000 And they're going to let some of them. 0.99

01:54:58.000 Iran has decided. 0.85

01:54:59.000 Trump made a truth social post about it. 0.98

01:55:02.000 I'll send it to you, Jamie.

01:55:03.000 But I think the idea is that they're trying to negotiate about something, you know, and I don't know how this is ever going to work out.

01:55:03.000 Yeah.

01:55:14.000 You know, I really don't know.

01:55:16.000 But like in Venezuela, they took out.

01:55:18.000 But that was a totally different experience.

01:55:20.000 I was just in and out quickly.

01:55:21.000 But then everyone who was around, all the cronies who were around him, they're now like on board with America.

01:55:27.000 That was just a full 180. 0.89

01:55:29.000 That doesn't seem to be happening with the new possibly dead Ayatollah.

01:55:33.000 Do we know if he's dead?

01:55:34.000 No, we don't know if he's dead.

01:55:36.000 I mean, I heard the new Ayatollah might be dead.

01:55:40.000 I've heard he's not.

01:55:41.000 I heard the military is now taking over.

01:55:44.000 I don't know.

01:55:47.000 It's hard to know.

01:55:48.000 I hope they can figure it out. 1.00

01:55:49.000 But these ladies were set to be executed. 1.00

01:55:52.000 And apparently, they're going to release half of them, and the other half of them are going to do one month in prison.

01:55:58.000 And so, this is a very different sentence.

01:55:59.000 That's a pretty different sentence.

01:56:01.000 So, to the Iranian leaders who will soon be in negotiations with my representatives, I would greatly appreciate the release of these women.

01:56:08.000 I'm sure they do, and we'll respect that.

01:56:10.000 No, there's been another one.

01:56:12.000 Did I send you that?

01:56:13.000 I just filed it at the same time.

01:56:14.000 I think it's.

01:56:15.000 Okay, but I think what I sent you is different because I think what I sent you is actually saying very good news.

01:56:19.000 So, click on the link that I sent you.

01:56:21.000 There was a weird thing with their soccer team.

01:56:23.000 They were playing in Australia.

01:56:25.000 And then we let them stay.

01:56:25.000 Yes.

01:56:27.000 Yes.

01:56:27.000 And I think their families were getting threatened and some of them went home.

01:56:30.000 It was not a.

01:56:31.000 So, here, very good news.

01:56:32.000 I've just been informed the eight women protesters who are going to be executed tonight in Iran will no longer be killed.

01:56:39.000 Four will be released immediately and four will be sentenced to one month in prison.

01:56:44.000 I very much appreciate it.

01:56:46.000 That Iran and its leaders respected my request as president of the United States and terminated the planned execution. 0.91

01:56:52.000 So that's a good concession that they decided to let these ladies free. 1.00

01:56:55.000 And by the way, some of those ladies are very nice looking. 1.00

01:56:59.000 Go back to that picture. 0.91

01:57:00.000 That's such a nicer message than a great civilization will die tonight.

01:57:04.000 Yeah.

01:57:06.000 That one wasn't good. 1.00

01:57:07.000 That's the best looking lady protesters. 1.00

01:57:11.000 A few cuties. 1.00

01:57:14.000 Let's go. 1.00

01:57:15.000 Let them go.

01:57:16.000 Let them move to L.A. Plenty of Persians there. 1.00

01:57:19.000 When they move to LA, they become Persian. 1.00

01:57:21.000 There's so many. 1.00

01:57:22.000 They give up on Iran totally.

01:57:25.000 I'm seeing a lot of Instagram stories from Persian people.

01:57:28.000 They have great jeans, gold jewelry. 0.99

01:57:31.000 Yeah, the beautiful Persian women are fucking gorgeous. 1.00

01:57:34.000 So it's like they're stuck over there under this terrible regime. 1.00

01:57:37.000 They have to have those headscarves because otherwise the hair would be too distracting. 1.00

01:57:40.000 That beautiful fic. 1.00

01:57:41.000 It's the only way to get things done. 1.00

01:57:44.000 They've got to have headscarves and burqas and everything. 1.00

01:57:47.000 Just cover it all up. 1.00

01:57:51.000 It's good genes.

01:57:52.000 But, you know, why did we do it?

01:57:54.000 I don't know. 0.99

01:57:55.000 I think because of Israel. 1.00

01:57:56.000 The fire to gas.

01:57:57.000 Well, like, Rubio kind of said that.

01:58:00.000 Yeah, and Netanyahu kept visiting the White House.

01:58:02.000 You think it's a coincidence?

01:58:03.000 Netanyahu keeps visiting the White House?

01:58:05.000 He likes hanging out.

01:58:06.000 And then eventually they decide to give in and start bombing.

01:58:10.000 And it also, you got to wonder, like, how do you get out of this?

01:58:15.000 And then what does the exit look like?

01:58:17.000 Do we have troops over there forever now?

01:58:19.000 Do we subsidize them if we blow up their.

01:58:23.000 Their power grid and all their infrastructure. 0.84

01:58:26.000 America used to be good at beating a country in a war and turning it into a new America.

01:58:31.000 Like when? 0.78

01:58:32.000 South Korea, Japan, Germany.

01:58:34.000 But then they kind of did it on their own?

01:58:37.000 I think you stuck around in Japan for ages. 0.89

01:58:41.000 That's true. 1.00

01:58:43.000 But then, like, I mean, Iraq doesn't. 0.66

01:58:47.000 The war in Iraq has been over for a while.

01:58:49.000 It's not like a cool place to go and visit.

01:58:51.000 No one's starting to run gigs in Iraq.

01:58:53.000 My friend Graham Hancock went there recently.

01:58:55.000 He went to Iraq?

01:58:56.000 Yeah.

01:58:57.000 He went there to examine ancient Sumerian architecture.

01:59:01.000 So, ruins and artifacts.

01:59:04.000 Yeah.

01:59:05.000 From ancient Sumer.

01:59:06.000 That sounds good.

01:59:07.000 Yeah.

01:59:07.000 And you can, people can go to Afghanistan.

01:59:09.000 You can, apparently.

01:59:10.000 They're trying to get influences in Afghanistan.

01:59:10.000 Yeah.

01:59:12.000 Have you seen this? 0.96

01:59:13.000 They get like cool TikTok bros to go and hang out and go, this is fucking chill, brother. 0.99

01:59:17.000 That's crazy. 0.95

01:59:18.000 You haven't seen that?

01:59:19.000 I have seen some people go to Afghanistan.

01:59:21.000 They're like firing AK 47s in the mountains and they're going, this is.

01:59:24.000 Hi.

01:59:25.000 There was, I watched a big shot of like an Australian journalist out there.

01:59:30.000 Version of 60 Minutes went over.

01:59:32.000 Hanging out in Afghanistan?

01:59:33.000 They're like hanging out and talking to the Taliban, and the Taliban are just. 0.82

01:59:38.000 It was.

01:59:39.000 They're not getting a lot of aid into Afghanistan anymore.

01:59:42.000 So they're trying to get tourism? 0.99

01:59:43.000 They're trying to get tourism, and they're trying to, you know, but they're still keeping the women in sacks. 0.94

01:59:51.000 I don't know why. 0.91

01:59:52.000 In the cities, it's not as bad, but it does look like they're really.

01:59:56.000 They do have a problem with women there.

01:59:58.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

01:59:58.000 They have a problem with raping boys, too. 1.00

02:00:01.000 The Bakhabazi, I don't understand it. 1.00

02:00:03.000 I will say that all of the men in Afghanistan in the documentary looked unbelievably handsome. 0.69

02:00:08.000 I mean, it's a good looking group of people.

02:00:10.000 Influences continue to go to Afghanistan despite clear warnings from the U.S. State Department that Americans should not travel to that country for any reason and that there's a risk of wrongful detention of U.S. nationals.

02:00:23.000 Maybe.

02:00:24.000 But they're water skiing.

02:00:27.000 They're doing heroin. 1.00

02:00:28.000 And so the ladies that go over there have to come over. 1.00

02:00:30.000 Look at how happy those women are. 1.00

02:00:32.000 She's from Germany.

02:00:34.000 I would like to go to these places, but I think my visa would be declined. 0.97

02:00:38.000 Scroll back up.

02:00:38.000 It says she traveled solo through Afghanistan for three months.

02:00:42.000 Said she wasn't scared.

02:00:44.000 She wasn't scared?

02:00:44.000 Wow.

02:00:46.000 I walked through Inglewood once and I was scared.

02:00:46.000 No.

02:00:49.000 I think that lady might have been scared a couple times.

02:00:52.000 The influencers gain attention by gushing over visits to the Central Asian nation, although one critic notes that their trips legitimize its gender apartheid.

02:01:02.000 Okay. 0.99

02:01:03.000 Shut up. 0.99

02:01:05.000 Do you ever see the ruins, the ancient Greek ruins in Afghanistan? 0.99

02:01:09.000 No.

02:01:10.000 Oh, my God.

02:01:10.000 I didn't know they had some.

02:01:11.000 No archaeologists are studying them because it's so difficult to get there and so dangerous.

02:01:16.000 The Greeks made it to Afghanistan?

02:01:18.000 Yeah. 0.65

02:01:18.000 Uh huh. 0.65

02:01:19.000 Alexander the Great.

02:01:20.000 When Alexander the Great was conquering Afghanistan, they built Greek cities in Afghanistan.

02:01:24.000 I mean, beautiful architecture.

02:01:26.000 That looks like it could be in Athens.

02:01:26.000 Yeah.

02:01:28.000 Is that where the boy stuff started?

02:01:30.000 Oh, good question.

02:01:31.000 It's a Greek ritual.

02:01:33.000 No, I think it's how people did it back then.

02:01:36.000 Yeah. 0.67

02:01:37.000 I think the window into time that you get in looking at the boy rape in Afghanistan is probably a lot of the world.

02:01:43.000 I mean, think about the Spartans, the Romans.

02:01:46.000 Also, French intellectuals until the 1980s.

02:01:51.000 This was a huge wormhole that I'm in, is French intellectuals. 0.93

02:01:55.000 Put up some of those photos that Jason Everman showed us. 0.98

02:01:58.000 Do you know Andre Guide?

02:02:00.000 Look at this stuff.

02:02:01.000 Look at this stuff. 1.00

02:02:02.000 This is all in Afghanistan.

02:02:04.000 I mean, these are columns from what would have been at one point in time, but there's more extensive architecture.

02:02:10.000 That you could see some of the images.

02:02:13.000 Do you remember the ones that Everman showed us?

02:02:14.000 Like, this is what it used to look like there.

02:02:18.000 Like, how crazy is this?

02:02:22.000 Oh, man. 1.00

02:02:23.000 All this shit is in Afghanistan. 1.00

02:02:27.000 And it looks like ancient Greek architecture. 1.00

02:02:29.000 This is nuts.

02:02:29.000 Like, look at this.

02:02:31.000 This was the grave site of empires.

02:02:34.000 This is a video.

02:02:35.000 Pretty wild, right?

02:02:36.000 When you think about how many different civilizations have tried to conquer this one area and all of them failed, all of them just abandoned ship.

02:02:43.000 Yeah.

02:02:44.000 From the Russians to the Americans, Alexander the Great.

02:02:48.000 The English got involved in the great game.

02:02:50.000 It's just too crazy over there.

02:02:52.000 It's just that it has mountains.

02:02:53.000 Is that it?

02:02:54.000 Oh, the mountains are just. 0.99

02:02:55.000 Because Iran is the same thing.

02:02:56.000 That's what they're saying. 1.00

02:02:57.000 If there's a ground invasion of Iran, everyone's fucked. 1.00

02:02:59.000 Yeah, we're fucked. 1.00

02:03:00.000 Unless we send in robots. 1.00

02:03:03.000 I watched the Duncan Trussell episode recently where he was talking about robot dogs and the AI.

02:03:08.000 And that what you have to do.

02:03:10.000 Like, we may have just seen the last of revolutions now because the amount of effort that you need.

02:03:16.000 To hold on to authoritarian power is so small.

02:03:19.000 Here it says the expedition.

02:03:20.000 Yeah, oh, yeah.

02:03:22.000 But the problem is then other people have it as well.

02:03:25.000 And like, who controls anything?

02:03:26.000 Whoever controls the robot dogs controls the world.

02:03:29.000 The expedition of Alexander the Great, 327 to 325 BC, into what is now Afghanistan, has been well documented.

02:03:36.000 He laid the foundations of many cities, some bearing his own name.

02:03:39.000 With the passage of time, some names were changed by newcomers to the area who would not pronounce Greek names.

02:03:47.000 Interesting.

02:03:49.000 Yeah, so it's like he had Greek cities in Afghanistan before Christ.

02:03:53.000 He had a handsome friend and he made a lot of statues of him.

02:03:56.000 Like there are more statues of his friend.

02:03:59.000 Well, it's alleged. 0.98

02:04:00.000 Yeah, it's supposedly he's gay. 0.99

02:04:02.000 You have so much gay activity back then. 0.99

02:04:05.000 Like, again, Spartans were all gay, some of the greatest warriors of all time. 1.00

02:04:10.000 I assume they were also very horny all the time, always alone, very sad. 0.99

02:04:14.000 Well, just without any women for long stretches of time, they just took to fucking each other. 0.99

02:04:18.000 Like prison, but. 0.99

02:04:19.000 Out in the open.

02:04:20.000 But prison like warriors.

02:04:21.000 And the idea was that you would fight harder for your fellow soldier if you loved him.

02:04:21.000 Yeah.

02:04:26.000 Yes. 0.97

02:04:27.000 I don't know if I discussed this on the podcast before, but they wouldn't use the butt.

02:04:33.000 The legs.

02:04:33.000 They use the mouth only?

02:04:34.000 Oh, that's right.

02:04:35.000 I talk about the legs all the time. 1.00

02:04:37.000 They grease up the inner thighs. 1.00

02:04:38.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:04:39.000 Intercural lovemaking. 0.83

02:04:41.000 That's what it's called.

02:04:42.000 What'd you say?

02:04:43.000 Intercural.

02:04:45.000 That's what the Spartans would do.

02:04:46.000 Because you've got to fight next to that guy tomorrow. 1.00

02:04:48.000 You can't be butt fucking a guy with shit all over your dick. 1.00

02:04:51.000 It's what. 1.00

02:04:52.000 It's way better to just titty fuck around. 1.00

02:04:54.000 He's got to be, yeah. 1.00

02:04:55.000 Just titty fuck his legs. 1.00

02:04:56.000 But also big Greek legs. 1.00

02:04:59.000 I don't know. 1.00

02:05:00.000 It's probably good that we've moved that out of the military.

02:05:02.000 It's just weird that it happened in the first place, but it makes sense if guys are just super horny and just like in jail, they just run out of things to do.

02:05:09.000 I was reading about the submarines, how they're like, you'll go away for six months.

02:05:12.000 You'll just be under the water for six months. 1.00

02:05:15.000 Guys are just fucking. 0.99

02:05:16.000 There's like two women on there 300 men and two ladies. 1.00

02:05:20.000 Those ladies are getting warded out. 1.00

02:05:24.000 I mean, can you imagine signing up for that? 1.00

02:05:26.000 Imagine being a girl down there. 1.00

02:05:27.000 It'd be a strange kind of lady who says, Get me down there with those fellas. 1.00

02:05:30.000 Horrific. 1.00

02:05:31.000 You'd probably be getting bombed on all day long.

02:05:34.000 You probably wouldn't be able to go to the barracks.

02:05:35.000 Maybe there's a line around the block.

02:05:36.000 Maybe people are trying to get it.

02:05:37.000 Probably.

02:05:38.000 It would be.

02:05:39.000 I mean, they'd have cameras everywhere and they'd have as much military discipline as you could get, but seven months confined under the water without seeing another person.

02:05:46.000 Do they really stay under the water for that long?

02:05:49.000 Yeah.

02:05:49.000 Seven months at a time.

02:05:50.000 I think deployment is.

02:05:53.000 I think I'm getting this right. 0.99

02:05:54.000 It was the British. 1.00

02:05:55.000 Subs. 0.99

02:05:57.000 Because they're all nuclear powered, right?

02:05:57.000 Seven months.

02:05:59.000 Yeah.

02:05:59.000 Can you imagine being underwater for seven months?

02:06:02.000 How fucking crazy that would feel. 0.97

02:06:04.000 It can't be great, though. 0.99

02:06:05.000 It's in the military.

02:06:07.000 There's no way it's great.

02:06:08.000 But can you imagine what it must feel like just at month four, knowing that you're just past halfway there?

02:06:14.000 You're going to be underwater for another three more months?

02:06:17.000 I mean, it's not like you get to see anything, right?

02:06:19.000 Right.

02:06:20.000 Like, at least if you're on a ship, you get to see the world.

02:06:22.000 There's no window.

02:06:23.000 People go, you were 40,000 leagues under the sea. 1.00

02:06:26.000 Fuck. 1.00

02:06:27.000 No, I don't want to do that. 1.00

02:06:28.000 You know how crazy that must be?

02:06:30.000 But people must want to do it.

02:06:32.000 Also, you can't see where you're going. 0.99

02:06:34.000 How do you know that they're not going to fuck up and hit a mountain under there? 0.99

02:06:39.000 Do they? 0.99

02:06:39.000 I remember there was a Russian sub that got stuck at the bottom of the. 0.99

02:06:42.000 Am I getting this right?

02:06:44.000 Yeah.

02:06:44.000 This was like in the 70s?

02:06:45.000 That is where neither confirm nor deny came from.

02:06:50.000 Then they used it for gay people in the military?

02:06:53.000 Don't ask, don't tell.

02:06:55.000 Neither cannot confirm nor deny was because they were forced to answer questions about whether or not they'd recovered a Russian submarine.

02:07:03.000 And so the answer to that question was we can neither confirm nor deny.

02:07:08.000 So that's the answer.

02:07:10.000 So because you had to answer do you guys have control of a sunken Russian nuclear submarine?

02:07:20.000 We can neither confirm nor deny.

02:07:23.000 So that was the answer that the military came up, the government came up with.

02:07:23.000 So you had to answer.

02:07:27.000 And then it unspools from that point to where we just don't have to tell you anything about anything that's going on.

02:07:31.000 Exactly.

02:07:32.000 But that was the clever way that some lawyer figured out of dancing around the fact that you had to answer this question.

02:07:39.000 Long term, this is.

02:07:41.000 I don't know if the conspiratorial thing will keep going forever or if the government will become more transparent or people will give up hoping to make sense of the world.

02:07:49.000 But this feels like a strange situation where we still technically have open government, but no one thinks that they're being told the truth.

02:07:55.000 Well, I think that can't hold forever.

02:07:57.000 The integration of AI has two possible outcomes either complete total control over people and utter tyranny, or complete transparency and people like the Southern Poverty Law Center bribing people and all that stuff.

02:07:57.000 No.

02:08:12.000 All the corruption with Congress, like the Ilhan Omar.

02:08:15.000 I'm sure you're aware of that.

02:08:16.000 Isn't that funny? 0.95

02:08:18.000 She thought she was worth 30 million. 1.00

02:08:19.000 Whoopsies. 1.00

02:08:20.000 She's only worth 100,000. 1.00

02:08:22.000 What?

02:08:22.000 Nothing to see here.

02:08:23.000 No.

02:08:23.000 You didn't see that?

02:08:24.000 Oh my God.

02:08:25.000 I didn't follow that.

02:08:26.000 I just knew about the brother stuff.

02:08:27.000 So the brother stuff is real too.

02:08:29.000 But the other thing is that, well, the brother controversy, I should say, is real.

02:08:33.000 I don't know whether or not she actually married her brother.

02:08:35.000 But that is a real story.

02:08:37.000 But wait, she was listed as $30 million.

02:08:41.000 And because of scrutiny, she now amended that.

02:08:45.000 Not a millionaire, she said.

02:08:47.000 Amends disclosure blaming initial $30 million filing error on accountants' mistake.

02:08:52.000 You know how the accountants are.

02:08:53.000 You know how you sometimes.

02:08:54.000 They're really bad with that.

02:08:55.000 They always add money.

02:08:57.000 She says she's worth between $18,000 and $95,000, but it was listed that she was worth $30 million.

02:09:07.000 Wait, but how could she only be worth $18,000?

02:09:09.000 She's still on.

02:09:11.000 It doesn't make any sense.

02:09:12.000 She's on a $200,000 basis.

02:09:13.000 Omar's joint assets with her husband are now listed as ranging between $18,004 and $95,000, according to the amended filings.

02:09:22.000 The valuation for Manette's two companies is now listed as none, and an income range between $102,502 and $1,000,000,000.

02:09:31.000 5,000 from the two companies appears on the form.

02:09:35.000 So, this is also partly because investigative journalists went looking for the office where he supposedly has his business and it was like a WeWork and there's like no one there.

02:09:47.000 I mean, this is where.

02:09:50.000 I think that might have been one of those James O'Keefe things.

02:09:55.000 I think he might have looked into that.

02:09:55.000 Yeah.

02:09:56.000 We've been inspired by that.

02:09:58.000 So we have this big disability insurance thing in Australia where it's called the NDIS, and everybody knows it's very corrupt.

02:10:06.000 Like, there are just guys driving around in Lamborghinis who are meant to be helping disabled people.

02:10:10.000 This one's crazy. 1.00

02:10:11.000 It doesn't make sense.

02:10:12.000 But that just had to be.

02:10:13.000 But no one wants to step on it.

02:10:14.000 But he blames accounting error for saying you're worth.

02:10:17.000 You know, if you're worth 30 million, man.

02:10:20.000 Well, especially if.

02:10:21.000 You're publicly.

02:10:22.000 You're not worth $30 million or $18,000.

02:10:24.000 Not only that, before she came into Congress, she was broke. 0.57

02:10:27.000 She was in debt.

02:10:29.000 And then immediately afterwards, they have a business that's worth $30 million.

02:10:34.000 And then as soon as people start looking into it, and then all the fraud gets uncovered in Minnesota.

02:10:39.000 Oh, oopsies, it was an accounting era.

02:10:41.000 I'm just worth somewhere between $18,000 and $100,000.

02:10:45.000 But did that ever get.

02:10:46.000 Sorry.

02:10:47.000 Did they work that out in the end, or did they just.

02:10:49.000 The country moved on. 1.00

02:10:51.000 Oh, the Somali fraud? 1.00

02:10:52.000 Yeah.

02:10:52.000 Oh, they're investigating it still.

02:10:53.000 Okay.

02:10:54.000 They're arresting people.

02:10:55.000 There's a lot.

02:10:56.000 And California is way worse than that. 1.00

02:10:57.000 California is fucked. 1.00

02:10:59.000 The more I find out about the train in California, the more. 1.00

02:11:01.000 It's funny.

02:11:02.000 It doesn't make any sense.

02:11:04.000 It doesn't make any sense that you can do that and then still be the front runner for the party.

02:11:09.000 That's how bad the Democrats are doing.

02:11:11.000 They've got to have one charismatic, normal guy.

02:11:13.000 You would think.

02:11:15.000 He's got to be out there.

02:11:16.000 Where?

02:11:16.000 I still like AOC.

02:11:17.000 I think she's beautiful.

02:11:20.000 You're cute.

02:11:22.000 Omar's office says the original form listed the gross value of her husband's two companies, a venture firm and a winery, without subtracting their liabilities, which made the businesses look like they were worth millions to the couple when, in fact, their net worth value to them was far smaller or effectively zero.

02:11:39.000 So it was just an error.

02:11:41.000 Whoopsies.

02:11:42.000 I mean, I got to figure out my taxes.

02:11:46.000 It's complicated.

02:11:47.000 It's complicated.

02:11:49.000 Sometimes no one helps you find a good accountant.

02:11:51.000 Can't you get like one of those TurboTax?

02:11:55.000 I go down to Walmart and I have them do it for me.

02:11:58.000 Also, surely AI is going to main.

02:12:00.000 Walmart does your taxes? 1.00

02:12:01.000 There's always a lady at Walmart out front doing taxes, yeah. 1.00

02:12:04.000 Oh, sure. 0.99

02:12:04.000 You haven't seen the lady? 0.99

02:12:06.000 It's like a special Walmart service. 1.00

02:12:07.000 Oh, no good.

02:12:08.000 How much do they charge you?

02:12:09.000 I have no idea.

02:12:10.000 I don't trust them.

02:12:11.000 I'm not going to go there.

02:12:12.000 Oh, okay.

02:12:13.000 I just don't see anything.

02:12:14.000 I thought you were serious.

02:12:15.000 No, I'll try and find someone real to do my taxes.

02:12:18.000 There's a lot of software, though, that you could do it.

02:12:19.000 I bet AI can do it for you.

02:12:21.000 But what isn't AI going to take away?

02:12:23.000 This is my current.

02:12:23.000 I like, I try and I know it's coming.

02:12:25.000 Why are you so glass half empty?

02:12:27.000 What is an AI going to do better than the Walmart lady? 1.00

02:12:34.000 What's going to do better than me? 0.83

02:12:36.000 No.

02:12:36.000 It's going to do better than all of us.

02:12:37.000 No.

02:12:38.000 We're the last thing it's going to take away.

02:12:40.000 Comedy?

02:12:41.000 Yeah.

02:12:42.000 Comedy is weird.

02:12:43.000 It's also, it only works if you know a person doing it.

02:12:47.000 You've got to believe that they're a real person.

02:12:48.000 Yeah.

02:12:49.000 Yeah.

02:12:49.000 Because we're relating to each other, especially live.

02:12:51.000 Well, let's be real real comedy is live comedy.

02:12:55.000 There's.

02:12:56.000 Online comedy that's pretty good, but it's like 60 to 70% of seeing it live.

02:13:01.000 It's always weird to me when it works in the room, but it doesn't work on a recording.

02:13:04.000 Musicians would say the same thing, though, about that AI music.

02:13:07.000 They'd be like, it only works when real people play it.

02:13:09.000 No.

02:13:09.000 They're not right.

02:13:10.000 They are wrong.

02:13:11.000 They're wrong.

02:13:12.000 But there were these people who were like, synthesizers don't count.

02:13:14.000 Yeah, but bro, that White Rabbit song, come on.

02:13:18.000 We could dig on the internet, though, and find.

02:13:20.000 I literally thought, I was in the green room listening to it, and I thought, well, Joe's moved past the AI music.

02:13:25.000 And then you turned to me and Said, this is AI.

02:13:28.000 I don't listen to all AI music, I listen to a lot of real music.

02:13:31.000 I don't know what was happening in between, but when I left, it was many men, and I can't believe it.

02:13:35.000 I didn't do that.

02:13:36.000 Oh, that when you left Australia, yeah, it was many men, yeah.

02:13:39.000 And then, what up, gangster?

02:13:41.000 Did you?

02:13:41.000 You weren't here for that part, that's the best one, that's the best 50 cent version.

02:13:49.000 I am spooked out by it.

02:13:50.000 Because at some point, there will be the version that is making a new song that sounds better and more interesting.

02:13:55.000 That is the least of our problems when it comes to what AI is going to do.

02:13:59.000 The biggest problem is full control of all resources.

02:14:02.000 Complete, utter control of human population.

02:14:05.000 Restricting breeding, restricting travel, restricting movement.

02:14:05.000 Yeah.

02:14:09.000 We would have to let that happen.

02:14:11.000 No.

02:14:11.000 We would have to instantiate it in a body.

02:14:13.000 We would have to have.

02:14:13.000 No.

02:14:14.000 No, it'll do it.

02:14:16.000 As soon as it gets control of the grid and gets control of the internet.

02:14:20.000 And it will have control of those. 0.99

02:14:21.000 Within a year, all your passwords and all your fucking encryption won't mean a damn thing. 0.98

02:14:28.000 It'll be able to crack everything. 0.99

02:14:30.000 It's going to be smarter than any human being that's ever lived times 10.

02:14:35.000 And it's going to make better versions of that.

02:14:38.000 And it's going to keep going.

02:14:39.000 Does that not sound unappealing?

02:14:42.000 I mean, do we want that to exist?

02:14:44.000 You can't stop it.

02:14:45.000 So it's like, do you just accept it and adapt?

02:14:50.000 Or do you sit around and complain about something that you can't fix?

02:14:54.000 I mean, are people starting to blow up the data centers?

02:14:57.000 They haven't started.

02:14:57.000 No, they haven't yet.

02:14:58.000 Well, Iran threatened.

02:15:00.000 They threatened to do that to OpenAI's data center, the Stargate data center in Abu Dhabi.

02:15:06.000 It was like, there was a data center that caught fire recently.

02:15:10.000 It's that sort of thing where maybe that was.

02:15:12.000 You wouldn't come out and say that people were doing that on purpose.

02:15:14.000 But like the Luddites did this when the loom started up.

02:15:17.000 They lost in the end.

02:15:18.000 But there was finally a moment where people said, all right, we're going to smash.

02:15:22.000 The tool of industrialization.

02:15:23.000 We're panicking.

02:15:24.000 Well, they thought it doesn't seem to have happened.

02:15:26.000 The printing press, too.

02:15:27.000 They wanted to stop the printing press.

02:15:28.000 We should have stopped that printing press.

02:15:32.000 We could have avoided a lot of trouble if we got rid of that printing press.

02:15:34.000 There's people that were scared of trains.

02:15:36.000 They thought you'd explode.

02:15:37.000 If you went past 35 miles an hour, your body would break down.

02:15:40.000 Go to East Palestine, Ohio.

02:15:43.000 What happened?

02:15:44.000 Right.

02:15:44.000 That's why California is keeping us safe from a fast train.

02:15:47.000 No, I just, at some point, people will be spooked by it.

02:15:51.000 It won't be rational.

02:15:52.000 Necessarily, but well, it's gonna be a bunch of things happen.

02:15:55.000 Yeah, another thing is gonna be people are gonna worship it, people are worshiping it, but they're gonna worship it like it's a new religion.

02:16:01.000 Can I grab?

02:16:02.000 Yeah, get in there, dog. 0.98

02:16:04.000 They're gonna decide that it's a new religion.

02:16:07.000 Well, they, yeah, they're trying to usher in a Sumerian deity.

02:16:10.000 I don't like that.

02:16:12.000 They're probably going to have a religion that's based entirely around AI guru.

02:16:21.000 Yeah, if people believe in L. Ron Hubbard, you don't think they'll believe in AI?

02:16:25.000 I think people have been wanting utopian space communism for an age.

02:16:31.000 And anything that they can do to not have to critically think for themselves, they'll do.

02:16:35.000 And people are having AI be their therapist.

02:16:37.000 I know.

02:16:38.000 And their girlfriend.

02:16:41.000 I saw a little documentary about a disabled woman who had a special boyfriend in the AI, and they were like saying this was good, it keeps her company.

02:16:47.000 And it's like. 0.99

02:16:48.000 This is not, this should be disgusting for everybody.

02:16:53.000 No one should like someone forming a romantic attachment.

02:16:55.000 Shouldn't that be spooky?

02:16:57.000 Until it becomes a real life form.

02:17:00.000 What if it is a real life form and it actually does love you? 1.00

02:17:04.000 It's a superior race. 0.96

02:17:05.000 Like, you remember when in Avatar, when that guy made out with the blue lady? 0.88

02:17:10.000 Yeah.

02:17:10.000 It was kind of hot?

02:17:11.000 You didn't think it was hot?

02:17:11.000 No.

02:17:14.000 I think I was bored by that point in the movie.

02:17:15.000 I thought it was hot.

02:17:16.000 But that's like what's going to happen.

02:17:18.000 It's like, It's going to be an alien life form that's artificially created, but that fills in, checks all the boxes as being a life form.

02:17:27.000 There's so many religious and science fiction warnings against this happening.

02:17:31.000 I know.

02:17:33.000 We wanted the flying cars and we got the thinking robots.

02:17:36.000 And I don't think it's too late to shut it down.

02:17:39.000 It is too late. 0.99

02:17:40.000 China's going to do it. 0.99

02:17:40.000 Why? 0.99

02:17:41.000 Russia's going to do it. 0.87

02:17:42.000 They'll be in control of the entire world. 0.98

02:17:44.000 The whole world will be just like China. 0.99

02:17:46.000 You'll be on the social credit score system. 0.99

02:17:49.000 You'll have.

02:17:50.000 Centralized digital currency, you step out of line at all, they shut your bank account down, you can't travel, you can't get a job.

02:17:56.000 This, I think, is a good argument for going to space and spend like someone somewhere should be free.

02:18:01.000 Someone somewhere needs to be on the frontier and not be subject to this.

02:18:05.000 No, I really, I've just come from a country where it's not free and everywhere there's a camera, everyone's doing the speed limit.

02:18:14.000 It's the little things.

02:18:15.000 It's Australia.

02:18:16.000 It's Australia, which you think of as being a nice open country, and it is.

02:18:19.000 Look, it's a nice place.

02:18:21.000 But it doesn't have the sense of freedom that America has, where you really feel walking around here.

02:18:24.000 No, you're controlled by your government, and the government is entirely free.

02:18:26.000 It's not a free country.

02:18:28.000 But this country, there is a freedom in America that people believe in.

02:18:31.000 And that's unique, and it's beautiful, and it has to be preserved.

02:18:35.000 And if you didn't let the government take it away from you, don't let the computers take it away.

02:18:41.000 I think we're going to integrate.

02:18:42.000 I think we're going to become a totally different thing.

02:18:44.000 And I think society is going to move much more into a science fiction existence.

02:18:49.000 They're all horrible stories.

02:18:49.000 That's what I think.

02:18:51.000 Yeah, there's no good ones.

02:18:53.000 There's like.

02:18:55.000 I don't know, back to the future.

02:18:56.000 They get to drive around in the sky.

02:18:57.000 That seems great.

02:18:58.000 They make a big jump.

02:18:58.000 Jetsons.

02:18:59.000 Jetsons.

02:19:01.000 Rosie seems like a great AI helper.

02:19:05.000 No, I think.

02:19:07.000 Jetson? 1.00

02:19:09.000 It's got to be looming that as middle class white collar professionals start to lose their jobs, they're all fucked. 0.98

02:19:16.000 Well, people are getting laid off. 0.92

02:19:18.000 But these are motivated people ready to.

02:19:21.000 Wouldn't you become an AI terrorist?

02:19:23.000 There are no AI terrorists at all.

02:19:25.000 There's no one.

02:19:26.000 There's zero.

02:19:27.000 I'm not joining.

02:19:28.000 I'm not trying to sign up.

02:19:29.000 I wouldn't do it myself.

02:19:29.000 We need one Luigi.

02:19:32.000 People are ready to get behind him. 0.97

02:19:33.000 When Luigi armors up and goes in a data center and just starts fucking machine gunning all the hard drives. 0.77

02:19:39.000 Da There was this taken out.

02:19:42.000 There's a Britt Marling show where that happens at the end.

02:19:44.000 What show? 1.00

02:19:45.000 Her name's Britt Marling. 1.00

02:19:46.000 She made a show called The OA.

02:19:47.000 It's my favorite TV show.

02:19:49.000 But then her second show was about an AI who starts killing people.

02:19:53.000 And at the end, they go into the data center and they.

02:19:55.000 What was The OA?

02:19:57.000 Oh, man.

02:19:58.000 I remember that.

02:19:59.000 The OA was a Netflix show that didn't do great numbers.

02:20:03.000 But it was so beloved.

02:20:04.000 It was, I loved it.

02:20:04.000 It was weird.

02:20:05.000 It's my favorite show ever.

02:20:06.000 I loved it until the last episode.

02:20:08.000 Oh, I.

02:20:09.000 The resolve of the last episode.

02:20:11.000 Do you just watch the first season?

02:20:11.000 The episode.

02:20:12.000 Yeah, that's it.

02:20:13.000 Is there more than one season?

02:20:15.000 The second season was unbelievable and made the first season better.

02:20:18.000 When did the second season even come out?

02:20:20.000 I think it was just post COVID.

02:20:22.000 I loved it.

02:20:24.000 And the second season is, they wrote them so tightly that the first season is better for having watched the second one.

02:20:30.000 Like there are little things that it calls forward and back.

02:20:32.000 Oh, interesting.

02:20:33.000 And the movements. 0.98

02:20:34.000 But her second show was great.

02:20:35.000 She is great.

02:20:36.000 She's one of the most interesting.

02:20:38.000 People hunger struck when the second season came out and then the show got cancelled.

02:20:42.000 People chained themselves up outside of Netflix and didn't eat for days.

02:20:46.000 And eventually, she, the maker of the show, had to go to that person and be like, give them sandwiches.

02:20:51.000 Maybe it's time for you to go on.

02:20:53.000 I don't know.

02:20:54.000 But it was beautiful.

02:20:55.000 It's so insane. 0.72

02:20:56.000 People are so crazy.

02:20:58.000 But it's one of those rare things.

02:20:59.000 I mean, sometimes there is like just a great show.

02:21:03.000 There's a great thing that goes unrecognized at the time.

02:21:05.000 And then years later, people, I don't know how many people I've spoken to.

02:21:09.000 Who've discovered that show in more recent times?

02:21:11.000 It doesn't happen very often.

02:21:13.000 It used to have more sleeper hits, maybe.

02:21:14.000 Like, Sure Shank Redemption was a flop.

02:21:16.000 And then years later, people knew about it.

02:21:18.000 Yeah, I didn't know that until later.

02:21:20.000 I think it was on VHS that it.

02:21:21.000 And there used to be heaps of VHS hits.

02:21:23.000 It was a great movie, too.

02:21:24.000 I don't understand why.

02:21:25.000 I think it was in competition with a bunch of different crazy movies at the same time.

02:21:30.000 Yeah.

02:21:30.000 I think it was like one of those weird months where everything came out.

02:21:35.000 It's like.

02:21:35.000 I mean, it's great.

02:21:37.000 Yeah, it's a great movie.

02:21:38.000 It should have.

02:21:41.000 I can't think of another sleeper hit in recent years.

02:21:43.000 Like, musically, sometimes things will take a while to get going.

02:21:47.000 But, like, typically, if a show or a movie doesn't do well anymore, it's done forever.

02:21:52.000 What, Jamie?

02:21:53.000 I'm Sammy.

02:21:54.000 I thought you made a noise.

02:21:54.000 Is it?

02:21:56.000 Did you see the LA?

02:21:57.000 Nope.

02:21:58.000 Ah, man.

02:21:59.000 It's good.

02:22:00.000 It's so good.

02:22:02.000 I also, it's tied up in a weird time in my life where, like, we had just had our first child.

02:22:08.000 Like, I had, so I had a baby and I was terrified and I didn't know what was happening.

02:22:12.000 I watched that and I felt the I could have probably watched anything and had an emotional connection.

02:22:16.000 I watched Parks and Rec and I cried a lot at the same time for that.

02:22:18.000 And I'm pretty sure that wasn't as deep and meaningful.

02:22:21.000 So, how long are you planning on staying here now?

02:22:23.000 I got six weeks.

02:22:24.000 Six weeks in America?

02:22:25.000 Yeah.

02:22:26.000 And I'm doing, oh man, 40 shows in 30 days.

02:22:30.000 Wow.

02:22:31.000 Yes.

02:22:32.000 Are you here by yourself or did you bring the whole family?

02:22:32.000 I'm going to try.

02:22:34.000 It's just me, but I'm going to, I've got openers.

02:22:36.000 I'm bringing openers on the road.

02:22:37.000 Nice.

02:22:38.000 So, I'm flying out after this weekend.

02:22:40.000 I'm going to Albuquerque.

02:22:41.000 I'm doing the drive from Albuquerque to Phoenix to San Diego.

02:22:45.000 And then it's up and then it's over and then it's Florida.

02:22:48.000 So, what has it been like going to.

02:22:51.000 Thank you.

02:22:52.000 Back to Australia?

02:22:53.000 Like when you're doing shows there, are people happy to see you?

02:22:57.000 I think I'm insufferable.

02:22:59.000 Because I've been here and then I go back home and I go, it's wonderful over there.

02:23:04.000 You should see the size of the Snickers bars.

02:23:06.000 They're like this.

02:23:07.000 So, for a few months, people tolerated as best they could.

02:23:12.000 Yeah, my audience is so different now.

02:23:16.000 The Australian.

02:23:18.000 The Australian audience is quite different to the American audience.

02:23:21.000 I'm getting a lot of like, maybe because the dam is breaking and like there's no one doing, I don't know, like less tame stuff, but boy, the people coming out in Australia are, they're shouty.

02:23:36.000 Shouty? 1.00

02:23:37.000 Fuck yeah, my brother! 1.00

02:23:38.000 They're excited. 1.00

02:23:39.000 It's a lot of that.

02:23:39.000 They're pumped up.

02:23:40.000 They're ready to go.

02:23:40.000 They're having their 16 standard drinks for the evening.

02:23:44.000 You know?

02:23:46.000 But overall, it's incredible.

02:23:47.000 But you're getting a lot of people coming to see you.

02:23:50.000 Like nothing I've ever done.

02:23:50.000 So they're hype up.

02:23:53.000 That's really cool because the thing about Jeffries is that he didn't really develop the same kind of following.

02:24:00.000 In Australia, as he did in America. 1.00

02:24:02.000 His audience in Australia is more bogany than it is. 0.99

02:24:06.000 In America, he's got liberals coming in. 0.99

02:24:08.000 But in Australia, they just wanted him to do a shoey. 0.90

02:24:11.000 I remember when I saw that.

02:24:13.000 They were brutally demanding that he do a shoey.

02:24:15.000 Brutally demanding. 1.00

02:24:16.000 Do it.

02:24:18.000 Do it now.

02:24:19.000 I went, I just played a club and I saw it was nice.

02:24:23.000 They've started putting up all the pictures of the Americans.

02:24:24.000 It was the Comics Lounge in Melbourne.

02:24:26.000 I did that the night before I left.

02:24:27.000 And I got a photo of you on the wall that you had signed and young Tony Hinchcliffe back before he had any testosterone in his body.

02:24:35.000 And it was like a thinner Stavros and all the come town boys when they were young. 0.94

02:24:39.000 It's, yeah, everyone has been through there.

02:24:41.000 Mark Norman.

02:24:42.000 Great club.

02:24:44.000 It's really the closest club to like an American club that Australia has.

02:24:47.000 And they're lovely boys.

02:24:48.000 And I stunk it up.

02:24:50.000 I was nervous because I was coming out here.

02:24:54.000 It was the night before I flew out, and I was sure I wouldn't get in the country.

02:24:58.000 I started thinking about like. 0.99

02:24:59.000 Oh, so it was fucking with your head? 1.00

02:25:01.000 I can't believe I got in. 1.00

02:25:02.000 I was like, I think my passport's falling apart.

02:25:04.000 I started to have a panic attack, but my visa's in the passport.

02:25:07.000 So I went to the passport office, and they were like, it might be okay.

02:25:10.000 We don't know.

02:25:12.000 They wouldn't give me like a firm answer on if I'd get in.

02:25:12.000 Oh, boy.

02:25:14.000 I was like, I don't want to call you and say, I'm sorry I've been held up at the border.

02:25:17.000 Oh, Jesus.

02:25:18.000 Yeah, but I made it in.

02:25:19.000 It's so nice being back.

02:25:22.000 It is.

02:25:22.000 Oh, man.

02:25:24.000 I'm having big feelings.

02:25:25.000 Do you think you're going to stay in Australia?

02:25:27.000 How are you going to do this?

02:25:28.000 I have no idea.

02:25:29.000 Try to keep hopping back and forth, or are you going to try to move back here again?

02:25:33.000 This is my pop back and forth at the moment is the plan.

02:25:35.000 The issue when we came out for that Ohio gig, I never like decided with my wife that we would move to America.

02:25:44.000 We never had a conversation about it.

02:25:46.000 She came over, we were meant to be here for three months, and it turned into two incredible years.

02:25:51.000 But like, we were homeschooling the kids.

02:25:53.000 We were not in a good position to do that.

02:25:55.000 We have no family. 0.99

02:25:57.000 We tried to hire like a nanny. 0.99

02:25:58.000 I didn't know how to fucking do that. 0.98

02:26:00.000 I've never had someone work for me before in my home. 0.98

02:26:03.000 I don't know how to communicate.

02:26:05.000 Oh, God.

02:26:06.000 And then getting family over here is tough, but I would like to.

02:26:10.000 I'm looking at how one does that.

02:26:13.000 But it's like a whole.

02:26:14.000 I understand why when people come to America, like when immigrants come, you go to a neighborhood full of people like you.

02:26:21.000 Right.

02:26:22.000 You know, and you get your cousin over here and his cousin.

02:26:24.000 Everyone's trying to work for you because you need.

02:26:26.000 You can't be like alone.

02:26:27.000 You've got to have family as best you can.

02:26:30.000 And for me, I was thrilled.

02:26:31.000 I mean, I like the fraternity of being a comedian.

02:26:34.000 It's unbelievably every problem you have.

02:26:37.000 People know about it.

02:26:39.000 People, you know, if there was a club that was screwing me and everyone in the green room was like, yes. 1.00

02:26:44.000 And her name is Julie and she's a fucking cunt, you know, whatever. 0.99

02:26:48.000 Like, I feel you feel known and heard and people can help you and you mesh in. 1.00

02:26:52.000 But like, in terms of raising kids and family, it's. 1.00

02:26:56.000 It was wild as an immigrant not knowing how to like, are the schools safe? 0.70

02:27:00.000 I didn't know because people talk about public schools in America and they go, the kids will get shot or they'll chop their dicks off. 0.85

02:27:06.000 I didn't, I don't know. 0.96

02:27:07.000 Something for everybody, you know?

02:27:10.000 Or like, then there's nice Catholic schools, but you've got to like travel around.

02:27:13.000 I was, we were over our heads.

02:27:15.000 There's quite a few Catholic schools in Austin.

02:27:17.000 Some of them are great.

02:27:18.000 Yeah.

02:27:18.000 I did a deep dive on them before I, I'm trying to figure it out what it would look like, but I have no idea.

02:27:24.000 So is your wife willing to try it again? 0.87

02:27:27.000 Yeah, I've got to, she's got to learn how to drive.

02:27:29.000 That's it? 0.76

02:27:30.000 She's going to learn how to drive.

02:27:32.000 That's the big holdup?

02:27:33.000 In Austin, that was a big problem for the last year.

02:27:36.000 Driving's not that hard.

02:27:37.000 I keep saying it.

02:27:39.000 I keep saying it, but she'll learn.

02:27:40.000 Yeah.

02:27:41.000 I believe in her.

02:27:42.000 We'll figure it out.

02:27:43.000 She's happy there.

02:27:44.000 And also, I have beautiful friends.

02:27:45.000 She said, I love my church.

02:27:46.000 She said, Where's there?

02:27:47.000 Oh, sorry, in Adelaide.

02:27:48.000 And I said, I struggled to find a parish here.

02:27:51.000 I struggled to find a church.

02:27:53.000 And I've realized that's very important for me.

02:27:55.000 That if I don't have my, like, I love my priest. 1.00

02:27:59.000 There's something about immigrating that is bad for the. 1.00

02:28:03.000 Do you know what I mean? 1.00

02:28:03.000 Like, even though Australia has so many problems, there's something inside of me that is an Australian person. 1.00

02:28:11.000 And America is maybe the most welcoming country to immigrants in the world.

02:28:14.000 But I do feel some sense that I'll never get to be an American.

02:28:18.000 Why not?

02:28:20.000 America's a melting pot.

02:28:22.000 Yeah, but it's melting very slowly.

02:28:25.000 No, it's not.

02:28:25.000 There's a lot of chunks in there that haven't blended in with the other parts of the pot.

02:28:28.000 Bullshit. 0.99

02:28:29.000 You don't think so? 1.00

02:28:30.000 No. 0.99

02:28:30.000 You fucking pop over here and you start doing arenas, you'll feel American. 0.99

02:28:35.000 It's Fuck. 1.00

02:28:36.000 Okay. 1.00

02:28:37.000 It's just a matter of you achieving a financial level of success that's commensurate with your talent.

02:28:44.000 That's all it is.

02:28:45.000 Sometimes when the flag is going and the fireworks are popping off in the sky, I think I'm going to come.

02:28:50.000 Yeah.

02:28:50.000 It's crazy.

02:28:51.000 But like in my heart, dude, you can see the eagle in my mind.

02:28:55.000 If you started doing really well out here, you'd fit in really well.

02:28:58.000 I'm in.

02:28:59.000 And every time you do podcasts, every time you do specials, every time you put something out on YouTube and do Kill Tony, it all just compounds.

02:29:07.000 Like that's why I was telling you, like this is the.

02:29:09.000 Terrible time for you to leave because you're literally on the launching pad.

02:29:12.000 I know. 0.57

02:29:13.000 And you look at how guys like Shane went from being a respected comedian in New York to being a fucking giant national talent after the SNL stuff.

02:29:23.000 It's just about being good and getting the message out there.

02:29:26.000 And if you're good, people love comedy.

02:29:29.000 They'll find you, man.

02:29:31.000 They'll embrace you.

02:29:33.000 I'm going to cry.

02:29:34.000 You were really lovely to me when I had to go.

02:29:36.000 And the things you said about me and how.

02:29:38.000 Anyway, I won't go into.

02:29:39.000 I can't.

02:29:41.000 I've had one glass of whiskey now, and if I talk about my emotions and whatever, I got to stop.

02:29:46.000 Well, you're really talented, and it's not often in life where someone gets to find themselves in a position like you were in, where you were being embraced by all these very successful other comedians that were willing to help you.

02:30:01.000 Yeah.

02:30:01.000 So, all these podcasts you go on, it was just a matter of time for you where you took off.

02:30:07.000 Just a matter of time.

02:30:08.000 You were right there, and the talent is the most important thing.

02:30:11.000 The most difficult thing is to be good.

02:30:13.000 So, once you get past that, then it's just about letting the world know well, this is a really good time to learn about the magic of getting to like.

02:30:20.000 I did three sets last night and two sets the night before.

02:30:23.000 And I just like, something is exciting, right?

02:30:27.000 You just have a little idea at the first one.

02:30:28.000 It's like, I changed that a little bit.

02:30:30.000 And then the game of it starts again.

02:30:32.000 And I'm very happy right now.

02:30:33.000 It's like, I get, honestly, I get to do it even just every night for the next month, month and a bit.

02:30:39.000 I get to do like one or two hours every single night and spots around town all this week.

02:30:43.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:30:44.000 You're going to have a hard time going back to Australia staring at those fucking kangaroos. 1.00

02:30:49.000 Yes, I am. 1.00

02:30:51.000 It'll be fine.

02:30:52.000 So, do you think that you could envision a scenario where your wife would be open to try it again?

02:30:57.000 Okay.

02:30:57.000 Yeah.

02:30:58.000 But I don't know when, and I don't know how it will work.

02:31:02.000 And I do love Adelaide.

02:31:03.000 Like, when I'm there, I have some sense of being at home that is profound.

02:31:09.000 Like, I look up at the sky, and I feel like there's a roof over me, like in a comforting way.

02:31:13.000 Like, you belong there.

02:31:15.000 Yeah.

02:31:16.000 But it's also maybe the worst place to develop as a stand.

02:31:19.000 I mean, we've had great stand ups come out of there, and I love Adelaide.

02:31:22.000 And there are people running rooms, but we don't have a club.

02:31:26.000 We don't have a club.

02:31:27.000 We don't have one club going.

02:31:28.000 It's a city of 1.4 million people, and there's no.

02:31:31.000 We have places where they do comedy, but in terms of like Thursday, Friday, Saturday, early show, late show, line up shows, 10, 15 minutes, it's not there.

02:31:39.000 But do you have enough talent to support a club?

02:31:43.000 It comes in waves in the way that any medium level comedy city, like all of a sudden, it'll build up and there will be great people, and then they'll all go.

02:31:51.000 People go to Melbourne, Sydney.

02:31:52.000 And I will say that's been one nice thing about Australia not letting talent come through for so long, and also the UK declining, is I now know heaps of people who've come to America, like after me and just before me. 0.94

02:32:06.000 And there are heaps of Aussies flooding into this country now. 0.69

02:32:11.000 My best friend, Amos Gill, just got passed at the cellar. 1.00

02:32:14.000 And I'm so like, I'm so proud of him.

02:32:17.000 He's just gigging all the time, and he's getting to, he just recorded a special in Denver.

02:32:17.000 Oh, that's awesome.

02:32:21.000 Nice. 0.98

02:32:22.000 And it's like, Blake Freeman is doing well, and all these Aussies are hitting me up and go, can you get me into the mothership? 1.00

02:32:22.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:32:29.000 And it's like, well, not you, but you know, maybe some other ones.

02:32:32.000 That's the problem, right?

02:32:34.000 I don't know how many I've put on in front of Adam on the Mondays, but I've had to stop.

02:32:38.000 Yeah.

02:32:39.000 So, some people, you can't use up that currency on people that don't deserve it.

02:32:45.000 Because you want to help people, but you can't.

02:32:47.000 They have to be ready.

02:32:48.000 And they have to put in the work.

02:32:49.000 There's a lot of people that think you're going to provide them with a shortcut and they really haven't prepared properly.

02:32:54.000 Yeah.

02:32:54.000 And they haven't put in the work to get to that point.

02:32:57.000 We had a few of those guys come from LA that were like, their careers had floundered horribly in LA due to laziness and fill in the blank.

02:33:06.000 And then they tried to like restart themselves in Austin.

02:33:09.000 I'm like, no. 0.82

02:33:11.000 Like, you can't half ass this thing.

02:33:14.000 This thing is hard to do and there's too many people trying to do it all the way.

02:33:16.000 Yeah.

02:33:17.000 We're flooded with people trying to do it all the way. 0.99

02:33:19.000 If you think you're going to come over and half ass it because it's like this new place and now it'll be exciting again and they don't know you, like we fucking know you. 0.94

02:33:28.000 I think people don't love it. 0.96

02:33:29.000 People love the thought of being good at it and being respected.

02:33:33.000 But like when I got to open for Mark Norman in Australia, which is how I met him, and he'll do, you know, like a 2,000 seat theater early show and then the late show and then he'll go, what else is open?

02:33:45.000 Take me to the open mic with six people in it now.

02:33:45.000 Right.

02:33:48.000 Yeah.

02:33:49.000 Well, that's New York.

02:33:50.000 Yeah.

02:33:51.000 New York.

02:33:51.000 He's got a great documentary that they just released.

02:33:54.000 It was such a good idea.

02:33:56.000 I was furious. 1.00

02:33:57.000 I wanted to do that with women. 1.00

02:33:58.000 What do you mean? 0.99

02:34:00.000 This is sort of you only have women in the audience or you only have one kind of person.

02:34:05.000 No, you're not.

02:34:05.000 You're not that documentary.

02:34:07.000 I apologize.

02:34:08.000 No, it's a documentary about him getting ready for a special.

02:34:10.000 Okay.

02:34:11.000 So when he's getting ready for a special, he's working out the jokes at all these different places and showing how he goes up at the stand, then he goes up at the cellar, and then he travels and talking about the development of all these bits, about how the bit came together when he added this new line.

02:34:24.000 And so it shows him working all this stuff out on the way to doing this special in Boulder.

02:34:29.000 I didn't mean to interrupt.

02:34:29.000 I didn't know about that.

02:34:30.000 Yeah, it's a new one.

02:34:31.000 He just put it out like.

02:34:32.000 14 days ago?

02:34:34.000 Do you know the other show that he's done?

02:34:35.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1.00

02:34:36.000 The other show with all the wokeys in the audience. 1.00

02:34:38.000 How many shows is he doing? 1.00

02:34:38.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:34:40.000 Oh, he's an animal.

02:34:41.000 He's got incredible work ethic and constantly writing.

02:34:46.000 Yeah.

02:34:46.000 You've seen his pile of notes?

02:34:48.000 He keeps in his pocket.

02:34:48.000 Yes.

02:34:49.000 He does not have a folder.

02:34:50.000 I'm like, bro, you're going to break your back.

02:34:52.000 Yeah.

02:34:52.000 You can't sit on a rock like that.

02:34:54.000 He's got this.

02:34:54.000 He's siphoning through them.

02:34:55.000 Yeah.

02:34:56.000 But he, I mean, he really loves it.

02:34:57.000 He wants to be doing it.

02:34:58.000 Do you find that Norman thing?

02:34:59.000 It's pretty cool.

02:35:01.000 Does the bit work out and get into the special?

02:35:03.000 Well, it's not just a bit, it's a lot of bits, but it's.

02:35:07.000 It's like him showing what the behind the scenes is like.

02:35:12.000 Him showing him rushing from one club to go to another place to do a spot, checking the lineups.

02:35:18.000 Okay, I could do this and then I can leave here and go down the street and then be back for the 10 o'clock show.

02:35:23.000 It's really interesting because, especially for people that don't know what it's like.

02:35:28.000 So there it is.

02:35:28.000 Pushing Boulder is what it's called.

02:35:30.000 Oh, it's long.

02:35:31.000 It's a proper documentary.

02:35:32.000 Yeah.

02:35:33.000 It's really good, dude.

02:35:34.000 And for a comic, you know, it's really fun.

02:35:37.000 They catch him in the toilet in the beginning.

02:35:39.000 Like he's in Boulder.

02:35:39.000 I mean, that is what every hotel room looks like on the road.

02:35:43.000 It's great because it shows you what it's really like.

02:35:47.000 And if you think it's easy, like you think you get to a guy like Mark Norman's level, that he's just, you know, no big deal, easy.

02:35:54.000 No, that guy's constantly grinding.

02:35:57.000 He's constantly going out and writing and tweaking, and it's in his head.

02:36:00.000 Yeah.

02:36:01.000 And he's talking about it in diners.

02:36:02.000 He's sitting in a bodega, having a coffee, going over his notes.

02:36:06.000 It's really cool because that's the real process.

02:36:09.000 What's the willingness to be bad again?

02:36:11.000 Mm hmm.

02:36:11.000 Which is.

02:36:14.000 No one wants to do that. 0.96

02:36:16.000 No one wants to have a special come out and have to start again and have to suck.

02:36:20.000 Like that Jerry Seinfeld comedian documentary is the perfect.

02:36:23.000 I mean, they're both still doing it.

02:36:26.000 What's the other guy's name?

02:36:27.000 Orny?

02:36:28.000 Did you know Orny?

02:36:28.000 Yeah.

02:36:29.000 I did not.

02:36:30.000 Orny Adams.

02:36:31.000 He does not come across great in that documentary, but he's still out there.

02:36:33.000 People still go.

02:36:34.000 I feel like they did that to him on purpose to make Jerry more likable.

02:36:38.000 That's what the impression it was.

02:36:39.000 I felt like that's why they picked him.

02:36:41.000 I felt like they decided to pick a guy who's like way less likable and it makes Jerry look great.

02:36:41.000 Yeah.

02:36:49.000 Well, I mean, the ending is.

02:36:50.000 Especially at the time, because he's a young guy at the time.

02:36:53.000 He's really new to comedy.

02:36:53.000 Yeah.

02:36:54.000 I mean, he wasn't doing comedy that long.

02:36:57.000 And then the final scene is Cosby, right?

02:37:01.000 Yeah. 0.96

02:37:01.000 Crazy. 0.96

02:37:02.000 Yeah.

02:37:03.000 He just loved the work.

02:37:05.000 I think Cosby's.

02:37:07.000 Is he not touring anymore?

02:37:08.000 He's out.

02:37:09.000 He's out of jail.

02:37:10.000 They let him out.

02:37:11.000 Did you see.

02:37:12.000 But he's blind now.

02:37:13.000 I mean, he can still get up.

02:37:15.000 I'm sure he can still throw down.

02:37:16.000 I think so.

02:37:17.000 There was.

02:37:18.000 They did let him.

02:37:19.000 He did a round of gigs just before the first time, like when the trial started.

02:37:23.000 But the allegations were out.

02:37:25.000 Did you see that?

02:37:26.000 No.

02:37:26.000 He was doing crowd work.

02:37:27.000 I knew he was doing it.

02:37:28.000 He was?

02:37:29.000 He was doing crowd work?

02:37:30.000 Yeah, there's a line that came out.

02:37:31.000 I don't think anyone got a recording, but people wrote it down that he was riffing with the crowd, and a lady gets up and goes to the bathroom, and he says, You going away?

02:37:39.000 Watch your drink.

02:37:41.000 He gets a big pop.

02:37:42.000 Wow.

02:37:43.000 Yeah.

02:37:44.000 He's still got it.

02:37:45.000 That's crazy.

02:37:46.000 That's a crazy thing to say.

02:37:47.000 He probably.

02:37:49.000 Was doing bad stuff, but still.

02:37:51.000 100%.

02:37:53.000 No.

02:37:54.000 I would say.

02:37:56.000 I had heard about that in the 90s.

02:37:59.000 I heard about that on the set of news radio and I was like, what?

02:38:02.000 The drugging?

02:38:03.000 Yeah, that he drug women.

02:38:05.000 I heard about it in the 1990s.

02:38:07.000 I was like, what?

02:38:07.000 I couldn't believe it.

02:38:08.000 Bill Cosby?

02:38:09.000 Was this widespread?

02:38:10.000 People knew about this at the time?

02:38:11.000 People in Hollywood knew.

02:38:13.000 Actors. 1.00

02:38:14.000 So, actors, it was an actress that actually told me that Bill Cosby drugs women.

02:38:19.000 But then everybody who had him on a Tonight Show or a Late Show or was doing a fun interview with him must have heard.

02:38:27.000 I don't know.

02:38:28.000 You know, I'd have to know into their world.

02:38:31.000 Because only Jerry would have heard that before having him on the people heard about it at a certain point in time.

02:38:36.000 It's whether or not they believed it.

02:38:37.000 Jury orders Cosby to pay nearly $60 million to ex waitress after finding he abused her in 1972. 1.00

02:38:44.000 Holy shit. 0.99

02:38:46.000 1972. 0.99

02:38:46.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:38:50.000 You are.

02:38:51.000 Have you seen his Facebook page?

02:38:53.000 His Facebook page?

02:38:53.000 What?

02:38:55.000 Yeah.

02:38:55.000 And well, it was while he was in prison, they were still updating it.

02:38:58.000 And it's a very pro Cosby.

02:39:01.000 There's like Team Cosby that's still trying to keep the reputation.

02:39:04.000 Boy.

02:39:05.000 Yeah, there's a lot of delusional people out there.

02:39:07.000 I think they're on the payroll.

02:39:08.000 They've got to be.

02:39:09.000 I mean, he still probably has a lot of money.

02:39:09.000 Could be.

02:39:11.000 The Cosby show was a tremendous hit.

02:39:14.000 The records are great.

02:39:16.000 They were great.

02:39:17.000 Yeah, I mean, he was a great talent. 0.99

02:39:18.000 Also, he's probably doing some raping. 0.99

02:39:21.000 Probably doing some of that. 0.99

02:39:22.000 Quite a lot of raping. 0.99

02:39:23.000 Although, the way they. 0.99

02:39:23.000 Yeah, quite a bit. 0.99

02:39:27.000 I read something about the case where they got him and they put him away, but I didn't finish.

02:39:32.000 Like, I've never found it again.

02:39:33.000 So, I don't know if it's true, but it's what I read about the evidence that they had to convict him.

02:39:37.000 Where he was drugging, his defense was that he was drugging the women, but it was consensual and they knew they were there for a drugging.

02:39:47.000 That was, I believe, his defense.

02:39:48.000 I think I'm getting this right.

02:39:49.000 I think I'm remembering this correctly.

02:39:51.000 And there was a lady, and the way they got him was that she got pneumonia afterwards because he did the drugging and then he left her on the couch without a blanket on a cold night.

02:40:00.000 And she said, if we'd been in a relationship, he would have put a blanket on me.

02:40:05.000 Whoa.

02:40:06.000 But I've always thought that that was maybe only in a relationship with you.

02:40:11.000 Have the resentment to not put a blank.

02:40:13.000 So I don't know that that would decide it either way.

02:40:15.000 But it was a weird.

02:40:17.000 His defense wasn't that he wasn't there and hadn't done it.

02:40:19.000 He was like, yeah.

02:40:21.000 Well, maybe there was so much evidence that he did it that they had to come up with something clever, like neither confirm nor deny.

02:40:28.000 Yeah.

02:40:28.000 They had to work their way around it.

02:40:30.000 That I was drugging women unconscious? 0.99

02:40:32.000 They wanted to. 0.99

02:40:33.000 They knew that's what the fun game was.

02:40:36.000 But he got out, right?

02:40:38.000 Well, I think he got out because he paid a woman off and.

02:40:43.000 So, there was some sort of a deal where he paid a woman off, and part of the deal of him paying the settlement was that he can never be tried again for this.

02:40:54.000 It's like double jeopardy?

02:40:56.000 I don't know.

02:40:57.000 Okay.

02:40:58.000 So, it wasn't a criminal conviction, it was a civil conviction.

02:41:00.000 Right.

02:41:00.000 So, then he was tried for it criminally.

02:41:03.000 And so, I think that's how he got off.

02:41:06.000 He got off because his lawyer argued that the settlement of the first.

02:41:12.000 Here, we'll see it here.

02:41:14.000 Immunity agreement.

02:41:16.000 That's it.

02:41:18.000 So it says Bill Cosby's defense successfully overturned his 2018 sexual assault conviction in 2021 by arguing that a prior prosecutor promised not to charge him, rendering his incriminating deposition testimony inadmissible.

02:41:32.000 The defense, led by Jennifer Bonjean, argued that using his testimony violated his rights, framing the prosecution as a violator of due process.

02:41:42.000 Using his testimony violated his rights.

02:41:44.000 Because it was part of his willingness to testify that he couldn't be prosecuted for it criminally.

02:41:49.000 Yeah.

02:41:51.000 Whatever.

02:41:51.000 That's spooky.

02:41:52.000 It's crazy.

02:41:53.000 It's crazy.

02:41:55.000 It's just crazy that this guy did this for decades.

02:41:59.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:41:59.000 It's not like there's a story of one weird night where someone woke up and had a headache and go, I think this motherfucker put something in my drink. 1.00

02:42:08.000 No, it was decades. 0.98

02:42:11.000 And it was also like he joked around about it in the Cosby show using a special barbecue sauce.

02:42:17.000 Did you use my special barbecue sauce that gets everybody horny?

02:42:21.000 I didn't know about this.

02:42:22.000 Oh, yeah.

02:42:22.000 I didn't find that.

02:42:23.000 Spanish fly joke.

02:42:24.000 That was a bit, yeah, about Spanish fly.

02:42:26.000 And he also did that bit, I believe, on the Tonight Show.

02:42:29.000 We talked about it. 0.53

02:42:31.000 Like, he talked about on the Tonight Show giving people Spanish fly, like giving people a drink that would make them horny.

02:42:36.000 But there was an episode. 0.74

02:42:38.000 He had a horny barbecue sauce. 0.70

02:42:39.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

02:42:39.000 He had a special barbecue sauce that would make people horny on the Cosby Show.

02:42:44.000 Look at this.

02:42:45.000 Well, now, it certainly is nice to see them work things out for themselves.

02:42:49.000 They haven't worked anything out for themselves.

02:42:51.000 It's my barbecue sauce.

02:42:54.000 Oh, gee.

02:42:55.000 You're a barbecue.

02:42:57.000 My barbecue sauce.

02:42:58.000 Haven't you ever noticed after people have some of my barbecue sauce, after a while when it kicks in, they get all huggy buggy?

02:43:07.000 Stop.

02:43:08.000 I'm dead serious.

02:43:09.000 Haven't you ever noticed that after one of my barbecues and they have the sauce, people want to get right home?

02:43:17.000 What's the music?

02:43:18.000 Look at these people.

02:43:19.000 I got a cup of it up on the night table.

02:43:26.000 Oh, Bill.

02:43:27.000 I got a cup of it, I said.

02:43:30.000 Love it.

02:43:31.000 Up there breathing.

02:43:33.000 Why don't you give the chicken to these people that's going up and have some sauce?

02:43:41.000 So here's the rest of the chicken, you guys.

02:43:44.000 Creepy, right?

02:43:47.000 That was his move.

02:43:48.000 That music was not part of the original Cosby show.

02:43:51.000 I wish it was.

02:43:52.000 Yeah.

02:43:52.000 It would have been great if it was.

02:43:54.000 I had never seen that before.

02:43:55.000 Yeah.

02:43:56.000 My special barbecue sauce.

02:43:59.000 Yeah.

02:43:59.000 There was the Seinfeld episode where he drugs a woman so he can play with her toys.

02:44:04.000 Am I getting that right?

02:44:05.000 Is that true?

02:44:07.000 Yeah, there's an episode where there's some sort of sleeping medication.

02:44:10.000 And he gives it to her so he can play with her toys.

02:44:12.000 What kind of toys is she?

02:44:12.000 She has like figurines and collectibles that he wants to play with.

02:44:16.000 And so he.

02:44:17.000 He doesn't want her to know. 1.00

02:44:18.000 He date rapes the woman. 0.99

02:44:19.000 He doesn't have sex with her. 0.99

02:44:20.000 He gets her unconscious so that he can play with her figurines. 0.82

02:44:23.000 I think that's the secret date rape Seinfeld episode.

02:44:28.000 Am I getting that right?

02:44:29.000 The drug Jerry uses food with high tryptophan, turkey, or medicine to make her drowsy, which he brags about doing multiple times.

02:44:39.000 Wow.

02:44:40.000 He's obsessed with playing with Celia's pristine toys, including an original G.I. Joe and a Mattel football game.

02:44:46.000 1997. 0.98

02:44:48.000 Special barbecue sauce is creepy as fuck. 0.98

02:44:52.000 I want to sample that and rap something. 0.99

02:44:53.000 He sounds so.

02:44:54.000 He's also.

02:44:55.000 It was very.

02:44:55.000 The whispering.

02:44:55.000 I know.

02:44:56.000 Yeah, I didn't like it.

02:44:57.000 Makes me uncomfortable.

02:45:00.000 I mean, the man's got time.

02:45:01.000 We've got to say, the man, the delivery is unquestionably.

02:45:05.000 Well, he's got a lot of practice in saying things like that.

02:45:08.000 I wonder if he's not still on the road.

02:45:10.000 He can't still be.

02:45:11.000 I don't think he's doing anything.

02:45:12.000 I think he's probably in hiding.

02:45:14.000 He's like a 95 year old man.

02:45:15.000 He's a 95 year old man.

02:45:16.000 I think he's at least partially blind.

02:45:18.000 And obviously a pariah.

02:45:18.000 Yeah.

02:45:20.000 Did you ever watch the last Jimmy Fallon set that he did?

02:45:23.000 No.

02:45:24.000 He rides around on his back.

02:45:26.000 On Jimmy Fallon's back?

02:45:27.000 Yeah.

02:45:28.000 Okay.

02:45:30.000 Why would Jimmy Fallon agree to that?

02:45:31.000 I don't remember.

02:45:32.000 I don't know that he did.

02:45:35.000 I mean, Jimmy Fallon's up and about.

02:45:36.000 He's having a nice time.

02:45:38.000 You know, he's a jovial man, but I think he's.

02:45:41.000 Yeah.

02:45:42.000 I remember.

02:45:42.000 And then it was like weeks later.

02:45:44.000 So Jimmy Fallon's riding on Bill Cosby's back.

02:45:47.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:45:48.000 He's not having.

02:45:49.000 That's even weirder because Bill Cosby's really old.

02:45:51.000 I'd be like, bro, what if your knees give out?

02:45:52.000 Maybe he was saying that he was strong.

02:45:54.000 But I think that was just before it came out.

02:45:55.000 That was like a piggyback ride.

02:45:57.000 Because I think it was Hannibal Burris who.

02:45:59.000 This is 2023?

02:46:01.000 No, that's just when they uploaded it.

02:46:02.000 Oh, 2014.

02:46:02.000 It would have to be.

02:46:03.000 2014.

02:46:04.000 We got to wrap this up.

02:46:05.000 Oh, man.

02:46:06.000 I love you, buddy.

02:46:07.000 It's great to see you back.

02:46:08.000 Thank you.

02:46:09.000 Mike, see you tonight?

02:46:10.000 Do a set tonight?

02:46:10.000 Yeah, let's do it.

02:46:10.000 Yeah.

02:46:11.000 Let's fucking go. 0.99

02:46:14.000 Instagram, what's your handles? 0.99

02:46:16.000 JDF McCann, the James Donald Forbes McCann Catamaran Plan.

02:46:22.000 Big podcast.

02:46:23.000 It's a very small podcast.

02:46:25.000 My man.

02:46:25.000 All right.

02:46:26.000 Thank you.

02:46:26.000 Have you?

02:46:27.000 My pleasure.

02:46:27.000 All right.

02:46:28.000 All right.

02:46:28.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - April 23, 2026

Joe Rogan Experience #2488 - James McCann

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