The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2492 - Ari Shaffir

00:00:02.000 Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out.

00:00:04.000 The Joe Rogan Experience.

00:00:06.000 Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

00:00:10.000 You know what you are on my phone?

00:00:14.000 What? 1.00

00:00:15.000 Ari the Wanderer.

00:00:16.000 That's a new phone number.

00:00:17.000 That's not bad.

00:00:20.000 Because that's what you are.

00:00:20.000 That's a new number.

00:00:22.000 I was telling you last night that I thought it was in Mexico City, but we had a report that you were at an Oasis concert in Mexico City, and you said no, it was in Rio.

00:00:30.000 Sao Paulo.

00:00:31.000 Oh, Sao Paulo?

00:00:32.000 Yeah.

00:00:32.000 Okay, so it was in Brazil.

00:00:33.000 So no one knew where you were.

00:00:36.000 You were gone for how many months?

00:00:37.000 Six?

00:00:38.000 Seven.

00:00:39.000 Jesus Christ.

00:00:40.000 Yeah.

00:00:41.000 How many times have you done that now?

00:00:44.000 I guess three.

00:00:45.000 Although when I went to Ecuador, I was very much in touch with everybody.

00:00:48.000 So it was like.

00:00:49.000 That was a halfway.

00:00:51.000 That was a halfway.

00:00:51.000 But you were there.

00:00:52.000 You were kind of checked out.

00:00:53.000 I was gone for six months, but I was in touch.

00:00:56.000 I still had numbers.

00:00:57.000 I was still like doing like podcasts and stuff.

00:00:59.000 And.

00:01:00.000 Were you doing them remotely?

00:01:02.000 I would do one with Big J and Soda.

00:01:02.000 Yeah.

00:01:02.000 Doing remotely.

00:01:04.000 We did a 21 Jump Street Breakdown podcast.

00:01:08.000 Yeah.

00:01:10.000 We were so bored during the pandemic.

00:01:12.000 We were like, let's find a show and just let's get together and watch Tony One Jump Street. 0.99

00:01:18.000 First, we chose Sex in the City and then found out gay fucking Ian already had a Sex in the City podcast. 0.99

00:01:24.000 Did he like Fight Dance? 1.00

00:01:25.000 Yeah.

00:01:25.000 Did he really?

00:01:26.000 Dude, that guy blows dudes. 1.00

00:01:28.000 Obviously, he loves Sex in the City. 0.96

00:01:29.000 Well, I guess so.

00:01:31.000 So we're like, we don't want to step on his toes.

00:01:32.000 Like, let's pick another.

00:01:33.000 He seems like he's straight sometimes.

00:01:35.000 He does. 0.99

00:01:36.000 It's weird.

00:01:38.000 Like, is he only gay? 1.00

00:01:39.000 No, no, he fucks. 1.00

00:01:41.000 He fucks better than we ever did for women. 1.00

00:01:44.000 Women? 1.00

00:01:45.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:01:45.000 Okay. 1.00

00:01:46.000 He gets it.

00:01:47.000 So, and then, but then he went to guys? 1.00

00:01:48.000 He's a new breed. 1.00

00:01:49.000 He's a new breed of just like. 1.00

00:01:51.000 When did he go to guys? 1.00

00:01:52.000 Is that a new thing?

00:01:53.000 I think he battled with it for a while. 1.00

00:01:55.000 So he was fucking girls but hating them? 1.00

00:01:55.000 Oh, okay. 1.00

00:01:57.000 God, I wish you were a guy.

00:01:59.000 Like, is that kind of a deal?

00:02:00.000 Yeah, I guess.

00:02:00.000 Yeah.

00:02:01.000 And then he went to glory holes and he was saying he wasn't gay. 0.96

00:02:04.000 I'm like, bro, that's one of the biggest signs of a gay. 1.00

00:02:07.000 So you just stick your dick in the hole or you suck the dick that comes out of the hole? 1.00

00:02:12.000 Like, was he the glory giver or the glory taker? 1.00

00:02:14.000 You're asking me questions I don't know. 0.97

00:02:16.000 I always assumed in my head it was he was sucking dudes off, but I'm actually not sure. 0.97

00:02:22.000 Yeah, interesting, right? 0.99

00:02:23.000 It's interesting. 1.00

00:02:24.000 Yeah, because if the dick comes through the hole, if you're like, you ever want to suck a dick, but I don't want to look a guy in the eyes, I just want to know what it's like, see if I'm good at it. 1.00

00:02:31.000 Yeah, I don't want to be embarrassed in front of anybody. 1.00

00:02:32.000 They're going to recognize me later.

00:02:34.000 I just want to work on my technique.

00:02:36.000 Yeah, I just want to find out if I'm right.

00:02:39.000 Yeah.

00:02:42.000 I need more research.

00:02:43.000 Not enough data points.

00:02:44.000 Yeah, because so you didn't even ask him which side of the glory hole he was on?

00:02:49.000 I think I was so overwhelmed by this. 0.58

00:02:50.000 Heterosexual dude who was telling me he was the glory holes.

00:02:54.000 And so then he was heterosexual. 0.58

00:02:56.000 This is back in the day.

00:02:57.000 We did a podcast, my old podcast, on the way down to like somewhere.

00:03:02.000 This is Skeptic Tank?

00:03:03.000 Yeah. 0.56

00:03:05.000 And he was telling me that, but he was telling me he's not gay. 0.77

00:03:07.000 And I was like, How do I say that?

00:03:10.000 Wait. 1.00

00:03:10.000 And I was like, Buddy, I think you are gay. 1.00

00:03:14.000 He goes, Why? 0.98

00:03:15.000 I'm like, The glory hole stuff.

00:03:17.000 It's a big sign.

00:03:19.000 And he goes, What?

00:03:20.000 Do you think?

00:03:21.000 I was like, Do you think?

00:03:23.000 But you didn't even.

00:03:23.000 I was like.

00:03:24.000 That's the crazy thing you didn't even ask whether he sucks or gets sucked. 1.00

00:03:27.000 I was lost in it. 0.99

00:03:28.000 As an interviewer, I didn't do my job that day.

00:03:28.000 You're right.

00:03:30.000 Obviously, that's a major question.

00:03:32.000 It's a one in two chance.

00:03:33.000 Yeah, right?

00:03:34.000 How do you not know?

00:03:34.000 How do I.

00:03:35.000 Yeah.

00:03:36.000 It's like very important to know.

00:03:38.000 It is. 1.00

00:03:39.000 Because there is a percentage chance it might be a chick blowing you. 1.00

00:03:43.000 There's no percentage chance this chick blowing you is a vagina. 1.00

00:03:46.000 There's zero percent. 1.00

00:03:47.000 Zero percent chance. 0.93

00:03:48.000 It's 100% a guy or a guy pretending to be a chick. 0.99

00:03:51.000 I bet there's a ton of those dudes who have. 0.73

00:03:54.000 You know, who live in that world.

00:03:55.000 Like, I always thought it was a woman. 1.00

00:03:56.000 Like, shut up. 1.00

00:03:57.000 Yeah, right. 1.00

00:03:58.000 Shut up. 1.00

00:03:59.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:04:00.000 Plausible deniability.

00:04:01.000 Plausible deniability.

00:04:02.000 Yeah. 0.82

00:04:04.000 So then he just decided to just go straight gay?

00:04:08.000 No, he's every, he does everything.

00:04:09.000 Oh, no. 1.00

00:04:10.000 He's like Miami, bisexual. 1.00

00:04:11.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:04:11.000 Okay. 1.00

00:04:12.000 Yeah.

00:04:12.000 So we did this 21 Jump Street podcast.

00:04:15.000 And I would do it sometimes.

00:04:16.000 I'd get on.

00:04:17.000 They're like, Are you drinking a coconut with a palm tree behind you?

00:04:19.000 Like out of a coconut.

00:04:20.000 I was like, Oh, it's just a Tuesday, guys.

00:04:22.000 Yeah.

00:04:22.000 What's going on?

00:04:23.000 I'd really milk it. 0.99

00:04:25.000 Cause you're in Ecuador.

00:04:26.000 Cause I was in Ecuador.

00:04:26.000 I was having a good time.

00:04:28.000 What is that gay tea you drink? 1.00

00:04:30.000 Mate. 1.00

00:04:32.000 Sherba.

00:04:34.000 So you just got into this.

00:04:35.000 It's literally a jar of hay.

00:04:38.000 It really is.

00:04:38.000 You pour hot water, and there's so much hay in there.

00:04:41.000 It's so much.

00:04:42.000 It tastes, you tried it.

00:04:44.000 It tastes like just like hay.

00:04:44.000 Yeah.

00:04:46.000 I don't understand.

00:04:46.000 Yeah, just hay.

00:04:48.000 It's like a ritual. 1.00

00:04:50.000 It's all the gauchos in Argentina and then spread to Chile and southern. 1.00

00:04:53.000 And so it's just a bunch of leaves that are in it. 0.99

00:04:57.000 The yerba tree.

00:04:58.000 Yerba mate, right?

00:04:59.000 Yeah.

00:05:00.000 But that drink is like different.

00:05:02.000 I've had that stuff.

00:05:03.000 I think it's different.

00:05:04.000 Really?

00:05:05.000 Yeah, I think it's about as much as what Willie Nelson's drink is actually weed.

00:05:10.000 Oh, Willie Nelson's drink is weed.

00:05:12.000 Oh, yeah.

00:05:12.000 Really?

00:05:13.000 I take it back then.

00:05:14.000 Oh, yeah.

00:05:15.000 I don't know what the legality of that is, and I don't want to throw anybody under the bus, but Ron White brought a bunch of it to the mothership, and it's very legit.

00:05:26.000 Yeah.

00:05:28.000 It's all dose dependent.

00:05:29.000 I think one glass is like five milligrams.

00:05:33.000 Or one shot is like five milligrams. 1.00

00:05:35.000 But if you drink a glass of that shit, you're going to go into that weird dimension. 0.99

00:05:42.000 You know that weird dimension where you're like, I think this is Earth, but it doesn't seem like Earth anymore? 1.00

00:05:48.000 Something's off.

00:05:49.000 It's like a facsimile of Earth.

00:05:51.000 Try to look at people like you've seen what I'm seeing?

00:05:53.000 I remember one time I was doing Fear Factor and we were in San Francisco.

00:05:53.000 Yeah.

00:05:58.000 And this is the unregulated edibles days, you know, because this is before marijuana was legal where you could get a prescription.

00:06:06.000 Yeah.

00:06:07.000 Can I do your joke?

00:06:08.000 Which one?

00:06:09.000 Oh, yeah.

00:06:09.000 X.

00:06:10.000 I'll do it.

00:06:11.000 You'll be embarrassed.

00:06:12.000 This is early days.

00:06:13.000 And by the way, it was just like there's banana bread going around now.

00:06:17.000 It's great.

00:06:17.000 It's killing people.

00:06:18.000 Not killing people, but like destroying people.

00:06:20.000 He goes, they came in these doses 1X, 2X, or 3X.

00:06:25.000 The problem is X didn't equal any number.

00:06:27.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:06:28.000 So it was just some guy mixing up his bathtub full of fucking whatever, like weed infused cookie dough, and deciding what's X to him. 0.98

00:06:36.000 That's not a mathematical equation. 0.98

00:06:38.000 X had no number value.

00:06:40.000 So it's one times this.

00:06:41.000 What's this, right?

00:06:43.000 Yeah.

00:06:43.000 Well, I had the joke too about the gummy bear.

00:06:45.000 The guy literally said that to me.

00:06:47.000 I go, How much should I take?

00:06:48.000 He goes, Just a leg. 1.00

00:06:50.000 Those gummies are my ass. 1.00

00:06:51.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:06:51.000 I go, Just the leg. 1.00

00:06:54.000 I go, Why the fuck are you selling whole bears if I should only eat it? 0.99

00:06:57.000 Because it's only that big. 0.99

00:06:58.000 Like, no one's in to eat just the leg.

00:07:00.000 It's a crazy dose.

00:07:02.000 Half a cookie is the right.

00:07:03.000 That's not a cookie, it's a dose.

00:07:06.000 So back in these days, we were doing Fear factor, and we were doing it.

00:07:10.000 It was, uh, we were doing it off of an aircraft carrier in the Bay Area.

00:07:14.000 And so we had to take the, you know, that one train, I forget what it is.

00:07:18.000 Is it the BART that goes under the water that goes under the bay between Oakland and San Francisco?

00:07:24.000 The BART, yeah.

00:07:25.000 BART, whatever it is. 1.00

00:07:26.000 No, I call it the BART just to fuck with them. 0.99

00:07:28.000 Um, so I, I took this edible and it was an unregulated edible, so I have no idea. 0.99

00:07:34.000 And it was way too strong.

00:07:36.000 And I was, I was like, why do my ears feel weird?

00:07:40.000 And they're like, because you're under the ocean.

00:07:42.000 And I was like, no.

00:07:44.000 It was like the longest 20 minutes of my life waiting to pop out on the other side.

00:07:49.000 Where I was like, we're under this. 0.97

00:07:51.000 How long has this fucking subway been under the ocean? 0.99

00:07:54.000 Like, how long has this existed? 0.99

00:07:56.000 Like, what are the odds this thing is still good?

00:07:58.000 Is anybody out there diving, checking on the tube, making sure there's no holes in it? 0.99

00:08:02.000 You know, in this fucking. 1.00

00:08:04.000 You started doing all the research in your head. 0.99

00:08:06.000 And it was like, I felt like I was talking to people, but what I was seeing was a two dimensional, like, you know, like those stand ins, like when you go to the movie and it's like, you know, a person standing there, like thumbs up, but it's like just a two dimensional cardboard cutout.

00:08:23.000 That's what everybody looked like to me.

00:08:24.000 It was like a two dimensional cardboard cutout, but occasionally I'd see their soul.

00:08:28.000 Peeking around their shoulder.

00:08:31.000 It was so heavy.

00:08:33.000 I don't know what the number was.

00:08:35.000 Don't you miss how many X's? 0.89

00:08:36.000 That kind of high.

00:08:38.000 I don't get that kind of high or drunk anymore.

00:08:40.000 Well, that kind of high is really fun after it's over.

00:08:44.000 When you look back, when it's happening, it's terrifying.

00:08:48.000 Oh, those are the best.

00:08:49.000 I remember a guy did jiu jitsu with, he made pills.

00:08:52.000 He made THC pills because he was like one of those all day guys.

00:08:57.000 He was just high constantly, all the time.

00:08:59.000 Dab. 0.97

00:09:00.000 And so, yeah, the dab guys.

00:09:01.000 But this is pre dabs.

00:09:03.000 And so this guy made pills, THC pills.

00:09:06.000 I go, How many should you take?

00:09:07.000 And he goes, You should probably start off with one, but I take two. 1.00

00:09:11.000 So I took two because I'm an asshole. 0.99

00:09:13.000 And I wound up having this conversation with this guy, and he was weirding me out. 0.99

00:09:19.000 It was at a jiu jitsu tournament.

00:09:20.000 I was like, Why is this guy so weird?

00:09:22.000 It turns out the dude eventually got arrested for rape.

00:09:27.000 And not just arrested for rape, but he was on the run.

00:09:30.000 And he was on the run.

00:09:32.000 And couldn't stop doing jujitsu.

00:09:34.000 And the way they caught him was he went to like Seattle or somewhere.

00:09:38.000 Like, cause this was in California.

00:09:39.000 He'd sign up for classes.

00:09:40.000 And he was just rolling, but he was killing everybody. 1.00

00:09:42.000 And I was like, who is this fucking guy? 1.00

00:09:44.000 Like, why is this guy so good? 1.00

00:09:46.000 And then eventually they realized it was him. 0.83

00:09:48.000 They go, oh my God, this guy's wanted for rape. 0.96

00:09:51.000 Wow. 1.00

00:09:51.000 He was a crazy person. 1.00

00:09:53.000 And when I was like super high on these pills, I could see all the crazy in his eyes. 0.98

00:09:58.000 Like, he didn't say anything crazy.

00:10:00.000 Dude, you can.

00:10:01.000 When you're on drugs, you can see through people.

00:10:04.000 You can.

00:10:05.000 You can.

00:10:05.000 You can see their soul.

00:10:07.000 It's interesting.

00:10:08.000 You really can see it.

00:10:08.000 It is.

00:10:09.000 It's not one of those where I'm like, nah, it was just the drug fucking with me. 0.93

00:10:12.000 You can tell.

00:10:13.000 And so this is like a year or so later, he gets arrested and winds up fleeing.

00:10:19.000 I think he maybe was out on bail or he was wanted and fleeed and went to the Pacific Northwest.

00:10:24.000 But I remember when I heard the story, I was like, oh, that makes sense.

00:10:28.000 Because he had the weirdest energy.

00:10:31.000 Just like this dark energy, like creepy, dark energy.

00:10:37.000 Sometimes, if you're on like a psychedelic and then someone's not on with you, you know, but they're around you, you're like, Hey, you got to go.

00:10:46.000 You're freaking me out.

00:10:46.000 Like, I don't know.

00:10:48.000 Your energy is not of this.

00:10:49.000 I don't know if you're looking at me, but like, you got to take off.

00:10:52.000 Yeah.

00:10:52.000 You see like motivations.

00:10:56.000 You see everything so clearly.

00:10:58.000 I know.

00:10:59.000 It's weird.

00:11:00.000 But it's not reliable.

00:11:02.000 It's not like I'm about to go into a meeting with this defendant.

00:11:06.000 I need to know if he's actually innocent or guilty.

00:11:08.000 So I'm going to take.

00:11:09.000 Five grams of mushrooms.

00:11:10.000 I stared through his soul.

00:11:12.000 Me and Big J were leaving Blues Fest in Ottawa once.

00:11:17.000 It's like a city festival, but then you wander into what used to be the safest city in Canada. 1.00

00:11:21.000 So you're all fucked up. 0.99

00:11:22.000 It's great. 1.00

00:11:23.000 And as you're leaving, you just see who's on what drug.

00:11:26.000 Like you just can tell, like mushrooms, acid, weed, drunk.

00:11:30.000 Molly.

00:11:30.000 Yeah, you just see it all.

00:11:32.000 You just see through everybody.

00:11:33.000 They're just sitting there talking.

00:11:35.000 Yeah, I don't.

00:11:37.000 I wonder what's going to happen now that this thing happened in the White House.

00:11:42.000 First of all, I thought.

00:11:44.000 You know, I'm not on the news, so I'm hearing stuff little by little about everything.

00:11:48.000 I thought it was just Ibogaine, which is like great.

00:11:48.000 Yeah.

00:11:50.000 Most people need that.

00:11:52.000 And then, and then, I mean, Ed Clay has been telling me about that for so long.

00:11:57.000 Well, Ed Clay, I talked about him on the podcast because he was one of the ways that I found out about it.

00:12:01.000 In Nashville.

00:12:01.000 Me too.

00:12:01.000 Yeah.

00:12:02.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:12:03.000 And he would tell you, he's like, you should get on it.

00:12:05.000 I'm like, I'm loving what I'm doing right now.

00:12:05.000 It helps your addiction.

00:12:08.000 I don't want to get off of it. 0.94

00:12:09.000 I don't need to fuck up my high. 0.70

00:12:10.000 But I'm like, this makes sense. 0.63

00:12:13.000 And then I'll find, great.

00:12:14.000 You got that.

00:12:15.000 And then I find out it's also, I mean, the best hippie flip.

00:12:19.000 You got that MDMA and boomers and shrooms.

00:12:23.000 And psilocybin.

00:12:24.000 Yeah.

00:12:25.000 Well, it's because MDMA and psilocybin, MAPS was already doing MDMA studies with veterans.

00:12:32.000 So, for people to watch a bunch of people get blown up and lost their friends and come back, MDMA was one of the best therapies for helping them overcome PTSD.

00:12:41.000 So, MAPS had already pushed that through, and Johns Hopkins had already done these studies with psilocybin.

00:12:47.000 So, they already pushed these things, and they were already on the way to getting approval through the FDA.

00:12:52.000 But the problem was nobody wants to stick their neck out and sign off on it.

00:12:56.000 It's the problem with politics. 1.00

00:12:57.000 If you're running, we talked about this, if you're running for an office and the opponent can say he wants drugs legalized, then you're fucked. 0.99

00:13:03.000 So, it's like it really binds your hands. 0.99

00:13:05.000 Well, that's funny because that's kind of what Dan Patrick did in Texas about marijuana.

00:13:05.000 Right.

00:13:10.000 But to his credit, Dan Patrick met with Rick Perry and Brian Hubbard, the guys that passed this Texas Ibogaine Initiative, and they convinced him of what this stuff actually is.

00:13:21.000 And so they've donated.

00:13:23.000 So he's allocated, rather, $100 million in Texas for the Ibogaine Initiative, which is amazing.

00:13:30.000 But that's a sign of an intelligent man.

00:13:33.000 Like this Dan Patrick guy had this stance on weed.

00:13:35.000 There's like, weed's bad, it's ruining everything.

00:13:37.000 And then they come to him, and he's like, I am staunchly opposed to this.

00:13:40.000 And they sit down with him.

00:13:41.000 He explains, Brian Hubbard explains, and he's very eloquent.

00:13:44.000 He explained what Ibogaine does.

00:13:46.000 It's not recreational at all. 0.99

00:13:48.000 And he hears it, and he hears how much it'll help, particularly veterans that come back that are addicted to opiates and they're all fucked up. 0.79

00:13:55.000 And even CTE, even like brain injuries from getting blown up. 0.91

00:13:59.000 It's neuroregenerative somehow.

00:14:01.000 It's a crazy plant.

00:14:02.000 And so, to his credit, he signed off.

00:14:06.000 And they allocated $100 million for the Texas Ibogaine Initiative.

00:14:10.000 Which is amazing.

00:14:11.000 Wow.

00:14:12.000 But it's like all these people have these ideas in their head, but it's all because of Nixon.

00:14:17.000 All of it goes back to the.

00:14:18.000 You grew up with probably this is evil.

00:14:20.000 This is.

00:14:21.000 You'll get stuck that way kind of stuff.

00:14:23.000 Yeah, I think some people do.

00:14:25.000 This is what's important about these studies.

00:14:27.000 Yes.

00:14:28.000 This is what's important about these studies.

00:14:29.000 I think this is important about weed too.

00:14:32.000 I'm very adamant that it's not for everybody.

00:14:35.000 I think there's a lot of things.

00:14:36.000 It's so strong.

00:14:37.000 Some of it's so strong. 0.99

00:14:38.000 And some people are already on the way to schizo. 0.99

00:14:41.000 They're already on the way. 0.55

00:14:42.000 There's schizophrenia in their family.

00:14:43.000 There's like, they just, that's not a good thing for them. 0.98

00:14:47.000 Well, what's making a comeback, luckily, is like Mexican weed.

00:14:50.000 It's like the 12% THC, where it's like, it's just going to be. 0.85

00:14:55.000 Yeah, it's just like the old days.

00:14:57.000 I'm trying to bury myself and miss this movie again.

00:14:59.000 I don't want to go to Pluto.

00:15:01.000 Is there anything?

00:15:03.000 I want to be in the clouds right above the city.

00:15:06.000 That's it.

00:15:06.000 What's the shot in a beer of weed?

00:15:08.000 I want that.

00:15:09.000 Right.

00:15:09.000 That's it.

00:15:10.000 Right.

00:15:10.000 Yeah.

00:15:11.000 I don't want to fucking dab. 1.00

00:15:13.000 I see these dabbers. 0.99

00:15:14.000 Oh, I asked for meds in a dispensary once, and they're like, What are you?

00:15:18.000 What?

00:15:19.000 Mitts?

00:15:19.000 What is that?

00:15:20.000 They're all so hardcore.

00:15:20.000 Yeah.

00:15:22.000 I remember the early days, it was like Zen dispensary, one of the early ones, and I was just getting into it.

00:15:27.000 Atari hooked me up.

00:15:28.000 Remember that guy with weed?

00:15:29.000 And it was like, Okay, so now I'm into it.

00:15:31.000 And I went to Zen, and I was like, Listen, I like to smoke cigarettes while I write.

00:15:35.000 I'm off cigarettes now, but it's a habit.

00:15:38.000 But if I smoke a joint, I'm done writing.

00:15:38.000 So I need something.

00:15:41.000 Right.

00:15:41.000 And that's what they say.

00:15:42.000 Oh, you want Mexican weed? 0.98

00:15:43.000 We can do that for you. 0.99

00:15:44.000 Just something calm.

00:15:45.000 Just like mild.

00:15:48.000 Yeah.

00:15:49.000 It's like going to a powerlifting gym and saying, Do you guys have yoga classes?

00:15:54.000 I just feel so wrong to say that. 1.00

00:15:56.000 Get the fuck out of here. 1.00

00:15:57.000 Get the fuck out of here. 1.00

00:15:59.000 Got the fuck out of here to get checked. 1.00

00:16:01.000 Yeah. 0.96

00:16:01.000 They did that in Ecuador. 0.96

00:16:03.000 There was a city I was in when I did ayahuasca, and it was a guy from the tourism board.

00:16:07.000 And he said, What's going to, there's three cities that are like on the border to the Amazon.

00:16:12.000 And, you know, you could go in from any one of them.

00:16:14.000 And they go, What's going to separate our city from all these other Amazonian cities?

00:16:17.000 And they go, Let's be the ayahuasca city. 0.99

00:16:20.000 And everyone else on the tourism board said, No, we are not getting a bunch of fucking hippie backpackers in here to be drug addicts in our town. 0.99

00:16:30.000 Like, that's not what we're looking for at all. 0.99

00:16:31.000 Here. 1.00

00:16:32.000 This thing sucks. 1.00

00:16:33.000 Yeah, it did. 1.00

00:16:34.000 You just filled it up.

00:16:34.000 I'm not.

00:16:35.000 There's a lever on it, too.

00:16:36.000 I don't know.

00:16:38.000 And he goes, Okay, fair.

00:16:40.000 But he goes, Can I take you on an ayahuasca trip to each member?

00:16:43.000 And each member was like, You know, they're half indigenous.

00:16:45.000 Right.

00:16:45.000 They're like, Sure.

00:16:46.000 And then one by one, they all go, Oh, this isn't an addictive thing.

00:16:50.000 So I had the wrong idea in my head of what this was.

00:16:50.000 Right.

00:16:53.000 You come once, you don't come back for a year.

00:16:55.000 Yeah, everybody had that thing from the Nixon administration.

00:16:59.000 It's the Controlled Substances Act of 1970.

00:17:02.000 And that thing.

00:17:03.000 That's it's really nuts, but for 56 years we've been living underneath that.

00:17:08.000 It's just it becomes a given, uh huh.

00:17:09.000 Yeah, you don't think to reevaluate any knowledge that's in there already.

00:17:13.000 I know, and it's like so many people just a little microdose of shrooms, it'll change your life.

00:17:19.000 It would help so many people.

00:17:20.000 There's so many people that are stressed out for no reason, it really does give you such a reset 100%.

00:17:26.000 Molly, too.

00:17:27.000 I know that's why I was talking to you.

00:17:28.000 The MDMA, the mass people were always like, Please start calling it MDMA.

00:17:32.000 When you call it Molly, it becomes a party drug.

00:17:34.000 I'm like, Well, I do it at parties.

00:17:36.000 So that's what it is for me.

00:17:38.000 The problem with what they're saying by saying that is like, no, because it is a party drug, too.

00:17:43.000 It's also just like, what are we going to call whiskey?

00:17:46.000 We're going to call it, you know, alcohol by volume.

00:17:50.000 Are you going to have a technical term for what whiskey is? 1.00

00:17:52.000 Fuck off. 1.00

00:17:53.000 It's whiskey. 1.00

00:17:55.000 You know what I mean?

00:17:55.000 Like, that's why people like it.

00:17:57.000 Like, you call it that if you want.

00:17:58.000 Yeah, you do whatever you want.

00:17:59.000 I'm going to call it Molly. 1.00

00:18:00.000 Fuck off. 1.00

00:18:02.000 Fuck off. 1.00

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00:19:06.000 Fuck off with all your rules. 1.00

00:19:08.000 That's a good ringtone. 1.00

00:19:09.000 But it's because they've spent so much money and so much time and so much effort trying to get this stuff passed through.

00:19:16.000 It would be so huge if you could just go get some mushrooms.

00:19:21.000 Oh, it'd be so huge.

00:19:23.000 And why can't you if you can go to Costco and just buy a jug of whiskey and drink yourself to death?

00:19:28.000 It also, so like in Edinburgh, they have a season for it, and you can go through the meadows or any of these fields and just like pick mushrooms.

00:19:36.000 Right.

00:19:37.000 But if it's on your shoe, it's fine.

00:19:40.000 And if it comes off your shoe, then it's illegal.

00:19:43.000 Oh, that's hilarious.

00:19:44.000 But it's just like growing there.

00:19:45.000 You know where Duncan used to live in Asheville?

00:19:48.000 They started giving the cows a certain type of feed that had antifungal properties to it.

00:19:53.000 What? 0.51

00:19:53.000 So that they wouldn't grow. 0.51

00:19:55.000 So, who knows what it did to the cow's gut? 0.97

00:19:58.000 You know, for not ruin the cow's. 0.99

00:20:00.000 Just because so many kids were picking mushrooms off of the cow shit, we got to put a stop to this. 1.00

00:20:07.000 In Thailand, it's the elephant shit. 1.00

00:20:08.000 And the guys who ran the elephant abusive centers, whatever, so you could ride them and make them play harmonica. 0.99

00:20:14.000 Stuff that's natural in the wild.

00:20:16.000 Oh, no.

00:20:17.000 Oh, no, guys.

00:20:17.000 Elephants love painting you a picture.

00:20:19.000 We wrote them when we were in Thailand.

00:20:21.000 It's okay.

00:20:23.000 Then I went back my second time, and everyone in the hostel was doing that.

00:20:27.000 And then I was like, no, I already did it.

00:20:28.000 And they go, humane or non humane?

00:20:30.000 I'm like, oh, definitely the humane one.

00:20:32.000 Like, did you ride them?

00:20:33.000 I'm like, oh, yeah, inhumane then.

00:20:33.000 That's inhumane.

00:20:35.000 Well, the elephants wanted you to ride them.

00:20:37.000 They don't mind.

00:20:38.000 Like, because you weigh nothing and you feed them first and you give them an offering, right?

00:20:43.000 So, first of all, you wash them and you feed them.

00:20:47.000 So, you feed them, like, you give them sugar cane.

00:20:50.000 And you have to develop a relationship with the elephant before you ride it.

00:20:54.000 Like, these people were all free range elephants.

00:20:57.000 They're all rescue elephants.

00:20:58.000 So, the elephants would come in out of the jungle.

00:21:01.000 They weren't in cages.

00:21:02.000 Oh, yeah.

00:21:02.000 Oh, really?

00:21:03.000 It was wild.

00:21:04.000 And they would get a saddle on them?

00:21:06.000 Uh huh.

00:21:07.000 It's barely a saddle.

00:21:07.000 Well, you don't.

00:21:09.000 You just kind of climb onto them.

00:21:10.000 And there's like a thing that you hold onto.

00:21:13.000 And they're totally cool with it.

00:21:15.000 And then at the end, you go to this like pond and you wash them.

00:21:19.000 And so it's like they could kill you anytime they want to, you know?

00:21:22.000 So it's like it's a relationship.

00:21:24.000 And it's not.

00:21:25.000 They're not prisoners and they're not abused at all.

00:21:27.000 The people that are running this, the place that I went to, but even then, I did a video with it and I said.

00:21:33.000 You know, you could ride them.

00:21:34.000 I go, I rode them.

00:21:35.000 I don't recommend it.

00:21:36.000 I don't think you should do it.

00:21:37.000 I would never do it again. 0.99

00:21:38.000 I would never ride them again because it just feels fucked up. 0.99

00:21:41.000 I would rather just feed them and pet them and say, You're nice. 0.99

00:21:44.000 But I don't need to go through the jungle.

00:21:45.000 Yeah, but also, like, you rode them.

00:21:47.000 So, like, if you hadn't rode them, you'd be like, I've never ridden an elephant.

00:21:47.000 I did.

00:21:52.000 I wouldn't have done it at all if my family didn't want to do it.

00:21:55.000 They wanted to do it.

00:21:56.000 So I said, Okay, let's go.

00:21:57.000 And they enjoyed it.

00:21:58.000 It was a good experience.

00:21:59.000 You know, the kids are, they're little and we're taking them through Thailand.

00:22:03.000 And yeah, it's wild.

00:22:04.000 I wonder sometimes if these kids, I was talking to, Tell me about it.

00:22:08.000 Like, if they'll know later in life how cool their experience was, like, it'll be till like that 35 or 40.

00:22:15.000 They'll be like, oh, I had a great child.

00:22:17.000 I didn't understand the coolest things I did.

00:22:19.000 Yeah, I think my kids are pretty aware of it.

00:22:22.000 But anyway, they had these hippies would go over the encampment and pick out mushrooms from elephant paddies. 0.99

00:22:30.000 And then eventually the people, the herders, were like, why do these fucking dreadlock people keep coming in at night and like sniffing around our shit? 0.99

00:22:38.000 And then they realized what it was and they go, oh, no, no, no, we'll sell this. 1.00

00:22:41.000 Oh, so they sell it.

00:22:42.000 Is it illegal in Thailand?

00:22:44.000 Like, what is the legality of mushrooms?

00:22:45.000 Now, I don't know because I think they just legalized weed in Thailand.

00:22:48.000 Did they really?

00:22:49.000 Yeah, but back then, when it was illegal, there were bars that sold your joints, and those are the bars that paid the cops.

00:22:55.000 And so, for all intents and purposes, you're fine. 0.99

00:22:58.000 Bro, I would not fuck around with drugs in another country. 1.00

00:23:02.000 Lame. 1.00

00:23:04.000 Yeah, me.

00:23:04.000 That's me.

00:23:05.000 Yeah.

00:23:05.000 Super lame.

00:23:07.000 I mean, talk to Brittany Griner.

00:23:08.000 How'd that work out?

00:23:11.000 Not good. 0.99

00:23:12.000 Do you think when she was in jail, the guards would fuck with her and show videos of her missing? 0.99

00:23:16.000 Like, how come you miss? 0.99

00:23:18.000 How come you miss this shot?

00:23:20.000 Return to breakdowns? 1.00

00:23:21.000 You eat too much pussy? 1.00

00:23:22.000 You smoke too much weed? 1.00

00:23:23.000 You miss this shot? 1.00

00:23:26.000 She was in jail for a long fucking time. 1.00

00:23:27.000 She was in jail for a while. 0.99

00:23:28.000 I think she was in jail for like, wasn't it like six months or something like that?

00:23:32.000 I knew someone who worked at the agency she was at, the sports management agency.

00:23:39.000 Every day they started with 15 minutes of like, hey, before we get into anyone else's business, how are we getting her out? 0.93

00:23:45.000 10 months. 0.99

00:23:47.000 Almost a fucking year in jail in Russia. 1.00

00:23:50.000 That's crazy. 1.00

00:23:51.000 For nine years in a penal colony.

00:23:54.000 That was a phenomenon because they just told America, like, hey guys, keep quiet. 1.00

00:23:57.000 We can get her out. 1.00

00:23:57.000 She's a nothing asset. 1.00

00:23:59.000 Just everyone be quiet. 1.00

00:24:00.000 And the liberal, angry housewives are like, no, I want to say something. 1.00

00:24:05.000 And they all just kept talking. 0.60

00:24:06.000 And eventually, Russia's like, oh, is this an important one?

00:24:09.000 Oh, we'll keep her in. 1.00

00:24:09.000 Oh, really? 1.00

00:24:10.000 Is that what happened?

00:24:11.000 Yeah, I think so. 0.99

00:24:11.000 I think it was Biden was like, just shut up. 0.99

00:24:14.000 We'll get her out to shut up. 0.98

00:24:15.000 And they made it into a bigger thing.

00:24:16.000 So that they could get the merchant of death released.

00:24:19.000 We are the worst at hand. 0.89

00:24:21.000 Americans are so bad at handling things they don't know how to handle. 0.96

00:24:25.000 They just rush in full bore going, I know how to fix it with no knowledge of it. 1.00

00:24:29.000 Well, it's also once a story gets out in any form, influencers cannot help talk about it.

00:24:34.000 They can't help it.

00:24:35.000 It's their currency.

00:24:36.000 There's no way they're not going to talk about it.

00:24:38.000 Same as all the late night guys.

00:24:39.000 They knew after Trump won that talking about him helps them.

00:24:43.000 Before we said we're trying to take him down, but now we've seen the research.

00:24:46.000 We know it's helping them.

00:24:47.000 I'm still going to do it because it's my money.

00:24:49.000 Yeah.

00:24:49.000 People get really angry.

00:24:50.000 They can't help it.

00:24:51.000 They can't help it.

00:24:52.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:24:53.000 I mean, that's like CNN's most of their ratings were talking shit about Trump. 0.98

00:24:59.000 Like every time he did something outrageous, they would talk shit about him and they would have him on, and it just made him more and more popular because I don't think they understood how much Americans despise them. 0.99

00:25:12.000 You know, they thought, we're CNN. 0.98

00:25:14.000 We are the news.

00:25:15.000 We're CNN. 0.99

00:25:16.000 And then because the fact that Trump was opposed to them and they just kept showing him, they're like, oh, he must be good because you guys suck. 0.99

00:25:26.000 Right. 0.94

00:25:27.000 You ever hear the theory that terrorism and the U.S. are symbiotic?

00:25:32.000 How does it work?

00:25:32.000 What's the theory?

00:25:33.000 Terrorism can't exist without the U.S. dominating their countries.

00:25:38.000 Oh, yeah, that makes sense.

00:25:39.000 And the U.S., they can't keep funneling money to weapons without terrorists.

00:25:44.000 Well, U.S. and Israel. 0.57

00:25:45.000 I mean, that's the thing with Hamas and Netanyahu.

00:25:49.000 He famously said they were funding Hamas. 0.96

00:25:52.000 We need them. 0.99

00:25:53.000 When we fund Hamas, we can control the height of the flame. 0.99

00:25:56.000 For 9 11, it popped off a little high, but we need something to be like, hey, we're all against that. 0.95

00:26:03.000 And then those countries will be like, Look, they're all against us. 0.71

00:26:06.000 So they just like they need each other to keep growing.

00:26:08.000 Well, it makes sense.

00:26:09.000 And also, you need an enemy in order to get higher military contracts, higher budgets.

00:26:15.000 I mean, if you don't have terrorism, how can you justify a trillion dollar military?

00:26:20.000 So you need to like say, hey, they're a real threat.

00:26:21.000 Like, that's a 30 person group.

00:26:24.000 They're not coming for us, but like, we got to take them down.

00:26:24.000 Yeah.

00:26:26.000 Look at the training they're doing.

00:26:27.000 Have you ever seen Shane's bit?

00:26:30.000 Monkey bars.

00:26:31.000 They're all monkey bars doing the training.

00:26:33.000 I love that bit.

00:26:34.000 I love that bit about how bad they are at jumping jacks.

00:26:38.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:26:39.000 That's what fat people do to get in shape of the biggest loser. 0.99

00:26:41.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:26:42.000 And they're stuck over there. 1.00

00:26:43.000 Like, shut up. 1.00

00:26:43.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:26:44.000 They're not going over there. 0.99

00:26:45.000 It's, and then I always wondered why we left behind all the shit. 0.97

00:26:50.000 Like, cynically, I'm like, do we leave that stuff behind so that they could use it? 0.98

00:26:55.000 The older I get, the less I think there's accidents.

00:26:58.000 There's ineptitude for sure, but there's also like, we've done the research, we know.

00:27:03.000 Yeah.

00:27:04.000 At some point, you know, there's bad moves you make here or there, but.

00:27:07.000 I mean, we left behind tanks and Black Hawk helicopters.

00:27:10.000 We couldn't get those out.

00:27:10.000 Like, what?

00:27:11.000 We had to leave right now.

00:27:12.000 We were there for 20 years.

00:27:14.000 Also, we got to get out right away.

00:27:15.000 You don't want to put a grenade in each one first before you go?

00:27:17.000 No.

00:27:17.000 Like, what do you mean?

00:27:18.000 And also, those are still good.

00:27:21.000 Yeah, we didn't get out like Vietnam. 1.00

00:27:22.000 Park them in a field and drop a fucking bomb on it. 1.00

00:27:26.000 Yeah, you don't have to leave it there for the enemy. 1.00

00:27:30.000 For the Taliban, so they can keep the people under their thumb.

00:27:33.000 Yeah, if you retreated last second, I could see it, but it wasn't that. 0.50

00:27:36.000 And then you're like.

00:27:38.000 Yeah, I think they didn't have to leave when they left.

00:27:40.000 The way they left was insane.

00:27:42.000 When you see those ships that are the planes that are flying away, and people are hanging on to the wheels of the plane and falling off because they don't want to be left behind.

00:27:51.000 Because they know.

00:27:51.000 There's so many people that work with the Americans.

00:27:53.000 You said you'd protect us over and over again.

00:27:55.000 And then you're like, yeah, we've done this over and over again.

00:27:57.000 Exactly.

00:27:57.000 We'll just say it.

00:27:58.000 It says that it was equipment we gave to the Afghan state.

00:28:03.000 So it wasn't U.S. equipment any longer.

00:28:08.000 And it's already given over to them?

00:28:10.000 We gave it to the Afghan state, but not the Taliban.

00:28:12.000 What did the Taliban do?

00:28:13.000 The National Defense and Security Forces. 0.95

00:28:15.000 Right.

00:28:15.000 And then there was not that many of them.

00:28:18.000 And so the moment that we left, the Taliban just took everything.

00:28:21.000 There's also like, what is the Taliban? 0.69

00:28:24.000 We have this word on it, it's like an evil word, but are they just like the government in a lot of these places? 0.98

00:28:29.000 Like the cartels in Colombia, they like build schools, they do bad shit, but they also are the government. 0.97

00:28:36.000 They make sure the businesses run okay. 0.98

00:28:38.000 And so you have this idea of cartel, it sounds like that, but it's like it's more than that.

00:28:41.000 I wonder how much the Taliban is actually into terrorism and how much is like just running day to day stuff.

00:28:46.000 Well, that's a good point because in America, I mean, what are the pharmaceutical drug companies?

00:28:52.000 I mean, how many people have done it?

00:28:53.000 We talked about this the other day.

00:28:55.000 It's like.

00:28:56.000 70,000 people died of opioid overdoses in America in 2024.

00:29:01.000 70,000.

00:29:04.000 So, like, and a lot of that is probably cartel fentanyl, but a lot of it is like flat out old school oxycodone.

00:29:12.000 So, it's like, what are they?

00:29:14.000 And how much are they donating to those campaigns every year?

00:29:14.000 What are they?

00:29:17.000 Right.

00:29:18.000 But they thought, you saw the most effective thing of that Sackler with Ferris Bueller, that documentary series, whatever painkiller, is they started every episode with a real.

00:29:29.000 Talking about how their son is dead.

00:29:31.000 Yeah.

00:29:32.000 Or, you know, something like that.

00:29:33.000 And then they can, you're like, oh my God, this makes it so real.

00:29:33.000 Yeah.

00:29:36.000 Yeah.

00:29:36.000 Painkiller, that's what it's called.

00:29:37.000 Yeah.

00:29:38.000 That's Peter Berg's.

00:29:38.000 It was so good.

00:29:40.000 Yeah.

00:29:40.000 We talked about that the other day.

00:29:41.000 It's an amazing series.

00:29:43.000 Amazing series.

00:29:44.000 Like that.

00:29:45.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:29:45.000 Matthew Broderick plays such a good fucking creep. 1.00

00:29:48.000 He did such a good job. 1.00

00:29:50.000 God, that fucking show's so disturbing because it's based on true story. 0.99

00:29:54.000 And he shows a guy falling into the despair from being fine to just like, ugh. 1.00

00:30:01.000 We all know somebody who got hooked.

00:30:05.000 I mean, it's so potent.

00:30:07.000 It's so powerful.

00:30:08.000 And they told doctors, they told people, they told everybody that it wasn't even addictive.

00:30:13.000 They knew it was addictive, they knew it operated on the same path.

00:30:15.000 I mean, that's in the painkiller series.

00:30:17.000 Yeah.

00:30:18.000 That it operates on the same pathway as heroin.

00:30:20.000 Like, you're saying that this is not addictive.

00:30:22.000 This is a lie.

00:30:24.000 What they did there was go, if that movie is completely accurate, it's like, okay, so this is for heavily cancerous, like bedridden people that have a pain threshold of eight to 10.

00:30:24.000 Yeah.

00:30:34.000 Like, it'll be good for them.

00:30:35.000 Why don't we just extend the pain threshold to three to ten?

00:30:38.000 Yeah. 0.93

00:30:38.000 And that allows a lot more people in. 0.93

00:30:40.000 If you're at a nine, it doesn't matter if I get addicted.

00:30:42.000 My life is awful right now.

00:30:44.000 Right. 1.00

00:30:44.000 If you're at a three, like, walk it off. 1.00

00:30:47.000 Exactly.

00:30:48.000 I talked about when I got my nose fixed, when the doctor tried to give me two different opiates.

00:30:52.000 And I was like, it was nothing.

00:30:56.000 I mean, it didn't even hurt.

00:30:57.000 It was just mildly uncomfortable.

00:30:59.000 And that was also because it was stuffed up with gauze, like those, it wasn't even gauze, like these foam things with a tube that they stuff in your nose to keep your nostrils open while it's healing.

00:31:09.000 But, you know, he gave me two different opiates.

00:31:11.000 And I was like, is it going to get worse than this?

00:31:13.000 Because I don't, I'm fine.

00:31:15.000 Yeah, they don't tell you, but be careful.

00:31:17.000 I would not take it unless you absolutely need it.

00:31:19.000 No, they don't tell you any of that.

00:31:20.000 They want you to do it because they're financially incentivized.

00:31:22.000 I got a wisdom tooth out, and the dentist was like, I was like, hey, I don't want to like.

00:31:28.000 Why'd you get a wisdom tooth out?

00:31:29.000 Did it hurt?

00:31:31.000 I don't remember.

00:31:32.000 It was so long ago.

00:31:33.000 Yeah.

00:31:34.000 It was like 15, 18 years ago.

00:31:36.000 What's the logic on that?

00:31:37.000 Are you supposed to get wisdom teeth taken out?

00:31:39.000 I've had both out.

00:31:40.000 Because I've heard people say you shouldn't.

00:31:42.000 Like, there's no reason to take them out.

00:31:44.000 That they get impacted or something?

00:31:44.000 Why do you?

00:31:46.000 I don't know.

00:31:47.000 Often they grow in, they're growing in wrong and they cause problems with other teeth.

00:31:52.000 It had to be that.

00:31:53.000 But he gave me this thing of Vicodin.

00:31:55.000 I was like, I don't want to.

00:31:56.000 And he goes, You're friends with comedians, right?

00:31:58.000 And I was like, Yeah, he goes, Your friends will want it.

00:32:00.000 Whatever you don't need.

00:32:01.000 What the?

00:32:01.000 Whatever you don't need.

00:32:02.000 I'm sure you could find.

00:32:03.000 He was joking around, but he was right.

00:32:04.000 I have tons of addict friends.

00:32:06.000 They are all like, Nice.

00:32:08.000 Yeah.

00:32:09.000 Advising me to take aspirin, not use up one of those precious Vicodins.

00:32:12.000 I took that stuff once when I had my first ACL reconstruction. 1.00

00:32:17.000 And it made me so stupid. 1.00

00:32:19.000 Vicodin? 1.00

00:32:20.000 I think it was Vicodin.

00:32:21.000 It was either Vicodin or Percocet.

00:32:22.000 I can't remember, but I think it was Vicodin.

00:32:24.000 But I wound up selling it at the pool hall.

00:32:26.000 Yeah, sell it.

00:32:27.000 Yeah.

00:32:27.000 Get some money.

00:32:28.000 Yeah, do the right thing.

00:32:29.000 The only time I would advise taking Vicodin is if you have like two beers and really want a good night.

00:32:34.000 Really?

00:32:35.000 Oh, yeah.

00:32:35.000 Those go so well with liquor.

00:32:37.000 Is Vicodin an opiate?

00:32:38.000 Is it the same thing as Oxycodone?

00:32:41.000 Like, what is Vicodin?

00:32:42.000 It's a downer.

00:32:45.000 I don't know what Oxycodone does.

00:32:46.000 It's a downer.

00:32:49.000 It combines hydrocodone and Tylenol.

00:32:55.000 Oh, Tylenol.

00:32:57.000 Tylenol and Hydrocodone.

00:33:00.000 Nice one, Joe. 1.00

00:33:01.000 A lot of people die from that shit, too. 1.00

00:33:03.000 Tylenol? 1.00

00:33:04.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:33:04.000 I was reading this sad story once about this lady who she had COVID and she was in so much pain from COVID that she kept taking Tylenol and she died of a fucking liver failure. 0.99

00:33:12.000 Ooh. 0.99

00:33:13.000 Because the acetaminophen killed her liver. 0.96

00:33:16.000 Sometimes you see people dying and you're like, what a loser way to die.

00:33:20.000 You can't ever tell anybody.

00:33:21.000 There's no victimhood.

00:33:23.000 Aspirin overdose? 0.98

00:33:25.000 Dork. 0.99

00:33:25.000 That's crazy. 0.99

00:33:26.000 How much aspirin do you have to take before you die?

00:33:28.000 That seems nuts. 0.62

00:33:30.000 I feel like all these middle school girls would try it before they had access to stuff.

00:33:34.000 Really? 1.00

00:33:34.000 When they just want to be drama queens. 1.00

00:33:35.000 Like, I took a whole bottle of aspirin. 1.00

00:33:37.000 Oh, I knew a girl would do exactly that thing. 1.00

00:33:37.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

00:33:39.000 Exactly that in high school.

00:33:40.000 Yeah, me too. 0.58

00:33:41.000 Yeah, she took aspirin.

00:33:42.000 But it's like, that's not going to do it.

00:33:44.000 But your call for attention is there. 1.00

00:33:46.000 She was also crazy annoying. 1.00

00:33:49.000 Like, let me tell you how she did it. 1.00

00:33:50.000 But she had big tits and she fucked everybody. 1.00

00:33:52.000 She was nuts. 1.00

00:33:52.000 And I'll accept it. 1.00

00:33:54.000 This girl was a fucking freak. 1.00

00:33:56.000 She fucked everybody. 1.00

00:33:57.000 She was an animal. 1.00

00:33:59.000 Catholic school girl. 0.99

00:33:59.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:34:01.000 I just came across something weird.

00:34:03.000 What?

00:34:04.000 I just typed in Tylenol deaths and this thing came up.

00:34:07.000 The Chicago Tylenol murders.

00:34:08.000 Ooh.

00:34:09.000 It seems like it's an unspeakable thing.

00:34:10.000 Drug tampering.

00:34:11.000 Yeah, there's tampered Tylenol that people bought that was potassium cyanide.

00:34:16.000 Seven people died.

00:34:17.000 That's when they started doing the seal on top.

00:34:17.000 Yeah, they broke.

00:34:20.000 Yeah, right?

00:34:20.000 Yeah.

00:34:21.000 I remember this.

00:34:23.000 I remember this.

00:34:24.000 This is when I was in high school.

00:34:26.000 Do they know why?

00:34:30.000 Investigation suspects.

00:34:32.000 I wonder what the conspiracy is.

00:34:34.000 Yeah, what's the tinfoil at?

00:34:36.000 Someone recently was arrested.

00:34:38.000 No suspect has been charged as of 2026.

00:34:40.000 Whoa.

00:34:41.000 So a bunch of people died and they just got away with it.

00:34:44.000 Wow.

00:34:44.000 Yeah.

00:34:45.000 Someone was convicted of extortion, sending a letter to Tylenol manufacturer claiming responsibility and demanding a million dollars.

00:34:51.000 If I remember right, they said we found out the problem with one plant that had whatever, and we've gotten.

00:34:58.000 And someone else was like, well, okay, I bought this bottle before that happened, so this should be safe.

00:35:03.000 And then it wasn't.

00:35:04.000 And then it was like Tylenol or whatever was like.

00:35:06.000 Covering up how bad it got instead of going recall everything.

00:35:10.000 Estimated 31 million bottles were in circulation with a retail value of over $100 million, equivalent to $334 million in 2025.

00:35:18.000 The company also advertised in the national media for individuals not to consume any of its products that contained acetaminophen after it was determined that only these capsules had been tampered with.

00:35:30.000 There were other ones in California that had strychnine in them.

00:35:30.000 Wow.

00:35:33.000 Wow.

00:35:34.000 So that's probably one of those things, too.

00:35:36.000 There's copycats.

00:35:37.000 Right?

00:35:37.000 Like one person hears about someone buying poisoned Tylenol.

00:35:41.000 I want to do that. 0.97

00:35:42.000 Yeah, I want to poison people in Ohio. 0.99

00:35:44.000 Hacks. 1.00

00:35:44.000 I want to poison, yeah. 1.00

00:35:45.000 Fucking hacks. 1.00

00:35:46.000 Get your own shit. 1.00

00:35:47.000 Fucking hacks. 1.00

00:35:49.000 Just be original. 0.99

00:35:50.000 Be awful, evil, but be original.

00:35:53.000 There's so many of those, like the Tylenol, where like, wait, were you guys evilly covering this up and resulting in more deaths?

00:35:59.000 That I found out down there was like Coca Cola, Dole.

00:36:03.000 We're like, oh, these are like evil corporations.

00:36:05.000 As soon as they realized that, you know, the Pinto story?

00:36:08.000 Uh-uh.

00:36:10.000 So Ford found out.

00:36:13.000 Let's research this to make sure this is true because someone brought it up on the podcast.

00:36:17.000 They're blowing up.

00:36:18.000 And they realize it's cheaper to just pay people off that died from their car being blown up than it is to recall all these Ford Pintos.

00:36:29.000 Because the Pinto had like the gas tank, rather, was in the back.

00:36:32.000 Yeah, something like that.

00:36:33.000 And there was something about the design where if you got rear end, it would blow up.

00:36:37.000 And it was just, they did a dollar value on it.

00:36:39.000 Yeah.

00:36:40.000 Somebody did.

00:36:41.000 I want to say Ford.

00:36:42.000 I want to, you know, you say Ford, but really it's a person.

00:36:45.000 It's not the Ford of today.

00:36:47.000 It's some guy.

00:36:48.000 Cool, Kyrie.

00:36:50.000 Yeah, investigators and lawsuits showed that pre production crash tests had already revealed this vulnerability.

00:36:55.000 Wow.

00:36:55.000 But the car still went to market largely unchanged.

00:37:00.000 Who told us about this?

00:37:00.000 Yeah.

00:37:01.000 I'll check.

00:37:02.000 I kind of remember that.

00:37:04.000 So one of our guests explained that to us, and it was just like, oh, God.

00:37:08.000 Whoa.

00:37:09.000 It's so dark. 1.00

00:37:10.000 It's such a fucking dark, evil thing to do to say, well, people are going to die, but we'll just pay them off. 0.99

00:37:15.000 What's the number? 0.99

00:37:17.000 Yeah, what is the number? 0.99

00:37:18.000 First of all, the car sucked.

00:37:20.000 Why'd you make it in the first place? 0.99

00:37:21.000 It's a terrible car. 0.85

00:37:22.000 It's so ugly, too.

00:37:23.000 It kind of looks cool now, but.

00:37:24.000 No, it doesn't.

00:37:26.000 It's got that sun deck in the back. 0.99

00:37:28.000 Garbage car. 1.00

00:37:28.000 Garbage. 1.00

00:37:30.000 So, Coca Cola would have people just like if you were like a leftist leader running for whatever, they were worried that if that person got in power, they would unionize their population and that would cost them more money in the plants. 0.99

00:37:44.000 And they would just have people straight killed.

00:37:46.000 Straight up, get them out of the way. 0.95

00:37:48.000 Coca Cola had people whacked.

00:37:49.000 Dole used to be the American Fruit Company.

00:37:51.000 I thought Coke and a Smile.

00:37:52.000 They had people whacked.

00:37:55.000 I mean, look it up.

00:37:56.000 But like, when you start looking at it, it's probably an executive somewhere.

00:38:01.000 Probably an executive.

00:38:02.000 They didn't do a big house of cards style who had some guy who was a fixer for him.

00:38:07.000 Right. 1.00

00:38:07.000 And he's like, look, these motherfuckers are causing problems. 1.00

00:38:11.000 And this guy was concerned with his job as whatever, CEO, executive. 1.00

00:38:17.000 But it's happened over a long period of time.

00:38:19.000 They were giving money to, I think, FARC or something in Colombia after they were already labeled like a terrorist organization.

00:38:24.000 They're still giving them money.

00:38:26.000 For decades, Coca-Cola's faced several severe allegations regarding the murder and intimidation of union leaders at bottling plants in Colombia and Guatemala.

00:38:35.000 They hired paramilitary death squads to suppress labor activism.

00:38:40.000 That's like, oh, what?

00:38:41.000 They want an honest day's pay?

00:38:45.000 Get rid of him.

00:38:47.000 You know, do you remember when Ross Perot was running for president?

00:38:50.000 You were too young.

00:38:51.000 I barely remember, but sort of. 0.98

00:38:52.000 I was just starting to be aware of how fucked up politics were. 0.95

00:38:56.000 And because he was on television explaining. 0.96

00:38:59.000 About the World Trade Organization, about when they were going to start opening up plants in Mexico and moving jobs to Mexico.

00:39:09.000 He's like, What you're going to hear is a giant sucking sound where all the money and jobs are going to go down to Mexico.

00:39:17.000 And what we allowed during that time was essentially what the labor unions were doing in this country was making sure that people had a great wage because the corporations were getting paid well.

00:39:32.000 So, the CEOs wanted all the money like they always do.

00:39:35.000 The corporation wanted all the money.

00:39:37.000 But you really can't make a Mustang unless you have the people that are on the assembly line, unless you have the people that are doing all the hard labor and all the work, and they should get compensated correctly.

00:39:48.000 So, the auto unions workers organized it and they went on strike and they did what they had to do and they were making a great living.

00:39:57.000 They were making a great living, and these people had a nice house and they had a car and a garage, and it felt good.

00:40:03.000 That they were getting paid really well.

00:40:05.000 And so a lot of people thought, well, they're getting paid too well.

00:40:08.000 And this is fucking up our profits.

00:40:10.000 And so, what, and I'm simplifying this.

00:40:10.000 Wow.

00:40:13.000 If you're a historian.

00:40:14.000 Take 10 bucks for a million people instead of like the top guys who make a million dollars. 0.99

00:40:17.000 What they did is just open up a plant in Mexico and pay people fucking slave labor. 0.99

00:40:21.000 And they go over there and they pay them slave wages. 0.99

00:40:24.000 And these people are making cars for like fucking how much? 0.99

00:40:27.000 A dollar a day or something like that. 0.98

00:40:29.000 Instead of getting healthcare and retirement and, you know, and so.

00:40:35.000 That's what we're talking about. 0.98

00:40:36.000 The free market says go to Mexico.

00:40:38.000 The moral market says no, Hold on.

00:40:41.000 Let's just pay people what they deserve here.

00:40:42.000 But it's not just that, but they destroyed Detroit.

00:40:46.000 That's right.

00:40:47.000 That's Roger and me.

00:40:48.000 That documentary, Michael Moore's greatest documentary, his first one is his best one.

00:40:53.000 Yeah.

00:40:54.000 Because it's really documenting a horrific attack on Detroit and Flint, Michigan, and all those places up there where there's all these auto plants and they all just went away, man.

00:41:07.000 And those jobs went away, and now Detroit is.

00:41:09.000 Detroit's kind of bouncing back.

00:41:11.000 It's kind of back.

00:41:11.000 Danny was talking about it, Brown, where he was like, just before COVID, it was like starting to be like some cool new restaurants and like really coming back.

00:41:18.000 Then COVID kind of nailed it down again.

00:41:19.000 And now it's, I think, back, back, going back up again.

00:41:21.000 They have some cool stuff in there.

00:41:23.000 I mean, there's a bunch of companies that are like proudly like made in Detroit.

00:41:27.000 Underrated pizza.

00:41:28.000 Yeah.

00:41:29.000 Oh, really?

00:41:29.000 Detroit pizza.

00:41:30.000 Square.

00:41:30.000 Yeah, it's really good.

00:41:31.000 Square.

00:41:31.000 Interesting.

00:41:32.000 Crispy like on every bite, every slice.

00:41:32.000 Yeah.

00:41:35.000 Oh, okay.

00:41:36.000 Because it's not thick crust square.

00:41:38.000 It's like that thin crust square.

00:41:39.000 It's just really good.

00:41:40.000 Isn't it funny that we want it in a circle?

00:41:42.000 I want it in a circle.

00:41:43.000 Why?

00:41:43.000 I don't know.

00:41:45.000 It's weird.

00:41:45.000 Odd.

00:41:46.000 You get committed to it.

00:41:48.000 We don't get committed to that with a sandwich. 0.99

00:41:50.000 If I go to a Jewish deli and I get a square sandwich, I don't say, No, I want it to look like a hoagie. 1.00

00:41:56.000 I want it to look like a submarine. 1.00

00:41:58.000 It doesn't look right.

00:41:59.000 Right.

00:41:59.000 No one cares.

00:42:01.000 No one cares the shape.

00:42:02.000 No.

00:42:03.000 It's a really good sandwich.

00:42:04.000 But some people do. 1.00

00:42:05.000 If you give them a cheeseburger, but it's on bread, they're like, What is this bullshit? 1.00

00:42:09.000 Square bullshit. 1.00

00:42:10.000 I want a round bun, motherfucker. 1.00

00:42:12.000 On rye bread? 1.00

00:42:12.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:42:13.000 What is this?

00:42:15.000 Rye bread is for pastrami. 1.00

00:42:17.000 Give me rye bread with a fucking cheeseburger, you communist. 1.00

00:42:21.000 Is my name Ruben? 1.00

00:42:21.000 Then why are you giving me something that looks like a fucking Ruben? 1.00

00:42:24.000 Yeah, what is this? 0.99

00:42:25.000 Like if you buy an Italian sandwich, it has to come on a big old fucking hoagie roll. 0.99

00:42:29.000 A ciabatta. 0.99

00:42:31.000 You know, one of those big fucking seeded. 0.99

00:42:33.000 Yeah, that's what you want. 0.99

00:42:35.000 All bread.

00:42:36.000 It's weird that we want our pizza to only be circular.

00:42:38.000 And then what's weird too is you're not eating it in the round version.

00:42:41.000 Right.

00:42:42.000 You're eating it in this weird triangle.

00:42:43.000 Right.

00:42:44.000 You're eating it on the round version.

00:42:45.000 Just an edge of round.

00:42:46.000 You know what I've seen that deeply disturbs me?

00:42:46.000 That edge could be.

00:42:48.000 Oh, no.

00:42:48.000 When people take a circular pizza and then they chop it up into a bunch of squares, I'm like, what have you done?

00:42:54.000 No, that's the Ohio style.

00:42:56.000 Is that what it is?

00:42:56.000 Really?

00:42:57.000 I mean, that's what it's called?

00:42:58.000 Or pub style.

00:43:00.000 So you split it up a lot?

00:43:00.000 Oh, okay.

00:43:01.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:43:02.000 That makes kind of sense, but not for a. 0.80

00:43:04.000 You bring one pizza into the bar, and now fucking 10 people can get a bite as opposed to. 0.76

00:43:08.000 I guess the only order is to make slices like that thin. 0.97

00:43:11.000 Like real thin, like long.

00:43:13.000 But that's not fun.

00:43:14.000 We also have edge to edge toppings.

00:43:15.000 How many pizzas has Dave Portnoy sold?

00:43:19.000 If you really stop and think about it, Dave Portnoy is probably responsible for more pizza sales in this country than any other living human being.

00:43:27.000 Yeah, probably.

00:43:28.000 Yeah, because I watch his pizza reviews.

00:43:30.000 I want to go get a pizza.

00:43:32.000 He gives it to you, honest.

00:43:33.000 Yeah.

00:43:33.000 Oh, he's very good at it.

00:43:34.000 Yeah.

00:43:34.000 I mean, he really loves pizza, too.

00:43:36.000 Like, you could tell.

00:43:37.000 Like, this is a.

00:43:38.000 He's not making any money off of that.

00:43:39.000 No, he's really not.

00:43:40.000 It's just like some video games.

00:43:40.000 No.

00:43:41.000 It's a labor of love.

00:43:42.000 He likes it.

00:43:43.000 It's fun for him, and it's become a thing.

00:43:45.000 And he gets in arguments with pizza places sometimes.

00:43:48.000 Like, they yell at him.

00:43:49.000 He yells at them.

00:43:50.000 I can't film in here.

00:43:51.000 It's like, it's so great.

00:43:52.000 It's like, really crazy.

00:43:55.000 It's so great.

00:43:56.000 But I've gone to places.

00:43:58.000 Because he recommended him.

00:43:59.000 Like, if I find out that I'm in a town and I know that there's pizza there, I'm like, what does Portnoy think?

00:44:04.000 Yeah.

00:44:07.000 You want a local wreck.

00:44:08.000 It's always better than a restaurant.

00:44:09.000 No one's done that with anything else.

00:44:10.000 Like, what other celebrities have done that with any other kind of food where they go places and review it?

00:44:15.000 There's a guy in New York, not a celebrity, but his goal was to search out every single slice in New York.

00:44:20.000 It took him years and then name the best ones.

00:44:23.000 Boy, how would you know?

00:44:25.000 How are you going to compare a slice to a slice you had a year ago?

00:44:28.000 Right.

00:44:28.000 I guess you got to, yeah, you really got to know.

00:44:30.000 How are you going to know?

00:44:31.000 You can instantly go no.

00:44:33.000 But, yeah, anything that's good, you've got to go back and forth.

00:44:36.000 Plus, it's super subjective.

00:44:38.000 Obviously.

00:44:39.000 Yeah.

00:44:40.000 You've got to go cheese.

00:44:42.000 You've got to compare cheese to cheese.

00:44:43.000 It has to be just plain cheese pizza, which is a classic.

00:44:43.000 Right.

00:44:47.000 It's so good. 0.97

00:44:48.000 I mean, other pizzas are great, but, man, a really good plain cheese pizza is fucking phenomenal. 0.93

00:44:55.000 Yeah. 0.90

00:44:55.000 Especially if it's done well. 0.90

00:44:58.000 Fresh out.

00:44:59.000 Here's the secret, too, if you're in New York, underrated tip.

00:45:01.000 I told Ruddy this.

00:45:02.000 He's going to New York. 0.99

00:45:04.000 Fat guy. 0.93

00:45:05.000 So he's going to want to get some tips.

00:45:06.000 I was like, no matter what you were going to get, just say, do you have anything fresh coming out?

00:45:10.000 And they say, it's going to be like 10 more minutes.

00:45:12.000 I'll wait.

00:45:12.000 It's okay.

00:45:13.000 That's what you want.

00:45:14.000 It's like when you go to Krispy Kreme and they got the hot donuts, but they're coming out hot.

00:45:18.000 Yeah.

00:45:19.000 Without lights on.

00:45:19.000 The lights on.

00:45:20.000 If I'm thinking about having it, when I used to live in L.A., there was a Krispy Kreme down the street, it was on the way home. 0.88

00:45:27.000 And if I drive by, if that fucking hot light was on, I'm like, I'm pulling in. 0.71

00:45:32.000 I'm getting a hot one. 0.98

00:45:32.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:45:34.000 So much better than warmed up.

00:45:36.000 It's so much better.

00:45:37.000 Like when they come right out, and the glazed ones that are coming right out hot, they just dissolve in your mouth right there.

00:45:46.000 Oh, and good for you.

00:45:48.000 Oh, yeah.

00:45:48.000 It's better than vitamins.

00:45:52.000 Look at that.

00:45:53.000 It cures diabetes.

00:45:55.000 You have all dough, and you're like, let's put sugar in it.

00:45:57.000 Like, let's put sugar on top.

00:45:59.000 Let's fully overwhelm your system.

00:46:02.000 I remember I would eat them, and then I'd go back to my house, and I'd go, what's wrong with you?

00:46:06.000 Why did you do this? 1.00

00:46:08.000 The fuck is wrong with you? 1.00

00:46:09.000 We've all been there. 1.00

00:46:10.000 You fucking idiot. 1.00

00:46:11.000 What the fuck's wrong with you? 1.00

00:46:12.000 I feel so bad. 1.00

00:46:13.000 Because I would eat like a half a dozen, too.

00:46:14.000 I'd eat like six donuts.

00:46:16.000 I'd get, I always buy like a box and I'd eat half the box.

00:46:20.000 I'd buy like a box of a dozen and I'd buy like chocolate cream filled and all the different ones and I'd eat like six of them in my car on my way home.

00:46:28.000 And then I'd get home and I'm like, oh.

00:46:31.000 Hurting.

00:46:33.000 Oh.

00:46:34.000 Just poisoned.

00:46:34.000 An adult has learned nothing about his body.

00:46:37.000 No.

00:46:38.000 39 years old.

00:46:39.000 Sitting on a couch.

00:46:41.000 Oh.

00:46:42.000 When you have that after 23 years old, you're like, well, you're hurting.

00:46:46.000 You're like, I just have to let this pass.

00:46:47.000 I have to just, like, for an hour. 1.00

00:46:49.000 You're like, what a fucking loser. 1.00

00:46:51.000 You're not a fucking loser. 1.00

00:46:52.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:46:52.000 You ate yourself into feeling bad. 1.00

00:46:54.000 I do that all the time.

00:46:55.000 Drinking, I get.

00:46:56.000 It sneaks up on you.

00:46:57.000 I eat, if I go to New York, every time I go to New York, I eat myself into a coma.

00:47:01.000 I eat myself way too, just way too fat.

00:47:05.000 I get hurting, like, where my stomach stretched out so much it hurts.

00:47:09.000 Because I've got so much food in there, I really can't fit any more food.

00:47:12.000 And I look pregnant, my stomach sticks out.

00:47:14.000 You got burnt belly. 0.97

00:47:15.000 Oh, you look so awful!

00:47:16.000 And it's all swollen and bloated because it's all the pasta and bread.

00:47:21.000 It's all the water and the wine, it's making it expand.

00:47:25.000 Can't even think straight.

00:47:26.000 Your body's like, bring everything into the stomach right now. 1.00

00:47:29.000 You have no, like, if I had to pass a spelling bee, I'm fucked. 1.00

00:47:29.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:47:33.000 My IQ dips by like 40 points.

00:47:37.000 Yeah.

00:47:37.000 It's, it's terrible.

00:47:38.000 I'm a glutton, too.

00:47:39.000 I'm a, I have a real problem with like volume.

00:47:42.000 I just, when I start eating, I'm like a dog.

00:47:44.000 I just keep eating.

00:47:45.000 I just can't stop.

00:47:47.000 Like, I'm good at not eating.

00:47:49.000 Like, I can not eat for like 12, 16 hours.

00:47:52.000 But when I sit down for a meal, I just, or when I'm ordering, I think it comes from being poor when I was a kid, too.

00:47:58.000 So it's like, there's something about like wanting, Everything.

00:48:01.000 I want steak.

00:48:01.000 I want it all.

00:48:02.000 I want pasta.

00:48:03.000 I want that.

00:48:03.000 I want this.

00:48:04.000 I want that. 1.00

00:48:07.000 And then after, you're like, you never learn, you fucking idiot. 1.00

00:48:10.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:48:10.000 And you're like, I've had about enough. 1.00

00:48:12.000 And then you're like, one more bite.

00:48:13.000 And then you're like, and now if we're talking, I'm going to eat like two more full plates worth as we're talking.

00:48:18.000 I remember we were in Atlanta once. 0.77

00:48:19.000 This has happened more than once, but this one lady in Atlanta was like almost arguing with me. 1.00

00:48:23.000 Too much food. 0.50

00:48:24.000 We went to a diner in Atlanta after our show.

00:48:24.000 Yeah.

00:48:27.000 And I ordered two things I ordered like meatloaf and I ordered a steak. 1.00

00:48:32.000 And she's like, Oh, honey, that's too much food.

00:48:34.000 I go, No, it's not.

00:48:36.000 I go, I'm going to eat it all.

00:48:37.000 And she's like, That is too much food.

00:48:38.000 I go, You don't know me.

00:48:39.000 You don't know me.

00:48:41.000 I can consume.

00:48:41.000 You don't know me.

00:48:43.000 I will consume all of this.

00:48:45.000 This is not a problem.

00:48:46.000 I need this.

00:48:47.000 Yeah, when it's time for you to eat, you eat.

00:48:49.000 Especially also after shows, dude. 1.00

00:48:51.000 Oh, God, you do fucking long ass shows. 1.00

00:48:53.000 I brought you and Goldie once a hot dog. 1.00

00:48:56.000 I was just like, I was doing the early days of yours, not early, but like mid level days and then high level days.

00:49:02.000 So I remember having more access than anyone could really get.

00:49:05.000 Oh, yeah, you were behind me in the.

00:49:07.000 I remember the time when the camera was on you and Duncan, so you guys made out.

00:49:17.000 We were bored.

00:49:18.000 They timed it.

00:49:20.000 So we noticed the camera was sitting right behind you.

00:49:22.000 So they could see the monitor, so they were sitting behind me, so they knew what the camera was capturing.

00:49:27.000 So we're on that camera, that guy's camera.

00:49:29.000 So they waited, and then it's got it right here.

00:49:33.000 And in the middle, as soon as the camera's on, you guys just type it.

00:49:39.000 Frosty died.

00:49:41.000 Oh my God.

00:49:42.000 This is the early, early days.

00:49:44.000 This is probably like 2002 or something like that.

00:49:48.000 That was way back in the day.

00:49:50.000 First, so first we're giving out.

00:49:52.000 So Duck was being accused of being an Illuminati a lot then.

00:49:55.000 So he goes, Oh, there's a camera.

00:49:56.000 I mean, I got to do this thing.

00:49:57.000 He goes, What?

00:49:58.000 He goes, It's just to stoke the flames.

00:49:59.000 So he'll just do this.

00:50:00.000 He'll do triangles.

00:50:01.000 At some point, we made a big triangle with both our hands.

00:50:03.000 And then I think he said it.

00:50:06.000 It doesn't matter.

00:50:06.000 I don't know.

00:50:07.000 One of us said it, the other reacted. 1.00

00:50:09.000 Hey, next time we got a kiss, and it was like, Fuck, yes. 0.99

00:50:13.000 I'm pretty sure it was good. 1.00

00:50:14.000 God damn it. 0.99

00:50:14.000 Yeah, you're right. 0.99

00:50:15.000 We do.

00:50:16.000 It was like, This is going to be awful, but you have to.

00:50:19.000 I didn't know about it until after it was over.

00:50:21.000 People were like, Your friends were kissing on camera.

00:50:24.000 And I just, I literally couldn't breathe.

00:50:26.000 I was like, Oh my God.

00:50:28.000 Oh my God.

00:50:29.000 I go, Show it to me.

00:50:30.000 Show it to me.

00:50:31.000 I like made the guys in the truck show me the video of it.

00:50:33.000 I'm like, Oh my God.

00:50:34.000 This is so funny.

00:50:35.000 There was also like a wrestling moment, or it was.

00:50:38.000 There was a lot of wrestling in that fight, if I remember right.

00:50:40.000 It's a long time ago.

00:50:41.000 But there was a blog saying, From an MMA blog, it's like two bored bearded dudes make out during a UFC fight.

00:50:51.000 Dude, you give a comic a camera on you and we're like, let's go.

00:50:57.000 We've got to do something.

00:50:57.000 Especially like you have six hours.

00:51:00.000 Six hours.

00:51:00.000 Six hours of fights.

00:51:01.000 So there's all this time to think.

00:51:03.000 And they're not all exciting. 0.98

00:51:05.000 Some of them are fucking boring. 0.83

00:51:06.000 And when they're boring, you've got to come up with different ways to entertain yourself. 0.96

00:51:10.000 What are you going to do?

00:51:10.000 Yeah.

00:51:12.000 Yeah.

00:51:13.000 It was so fun.

00:51:14.000 You can see the one that was on it.

00:51:15.000 So, like, when those fighters are in front of us.

00:51:17.000 I'm going to fix this.

00:51:22.000 Like, it wants to work.

00:51:23.000 It wants to work.

00:51:28.000 I wonder if this one works.

00:51:30.000 Those are fun times.

00:51:32.000 That was back when the UFC was like, no one was watching anyway.

00:51:36.000 You could just do whatever you want.

00:51:37.000 The weigh ins was the best.

00:51:38.000 We had a weigh in in Florida, and it was just like, only the camps kind of came in.

00:51:43.000 And the tap out guys, rest in peace.

00:51:46.000 They'd come in there.

00:51:47.000 Well, just one rest in peace.

00:51:48.000 Yeah.

00:51:49.000 Live well.

00:51:51.000 But it was just like, you'd be in there.

00:51:53.000 And I remember once you were like, Hey, Ari, maybe I'll call you up to weigh in.

00:51:58.000 And you just could.

00:51:59.000 And be like, you want to go now?

00:52:00.000 All right.

00:52:02.000 It was like, there were no real rules then.

00:52:03.000 It was pretty wild.

00:52:05.000 No one knew what was going on.

00:52:06.000 Ari Shafir.

00:52:08.000 And you would just walk out.

00:52:09.000 Yeah, you could do anything back then.

00:52:11.000 And that was also a real weigh in.

00:52:13.000 That was when the guys actually would get on the scale.

00:52:15.000 Now it's a ceremonial weigh in.

00:52:17.000 Oh, really?

00:52:17.000 Yeah, because now they weigh in in advance because they want to give them more time to recover.

00:52:24.000 The whole thing's gross.

00:52:24.000 Oh, right.

00:52:25.000 They shouldn't be weighing in.

00:52:26.000 They shouldn't be cutting weight.

00:52:28.000 As a casual fan, it's the most obvious one.

00:52:30.000 Make them weigh in at the event.

00:52:32.000 It's crazy.

00:52:34.000 I mean, we've had long discussions.

00:52:36.000 I had a discussion recently with Hunter Campbell where we're trying to figure out a way to blow up all the weight classes and make people fight out what their actual weight is.

00:52:44.000 But you would have to, like, show up in camp, like, you know, get to the exact right weight, weigh them.

00:52:50.000 Or a pound or two below for safety.

00:52:52.000 But it would have to be random.

00:52:54.000 Like, they couldn't know you were coming.

00:52:55.000 Oh, like, the whole way through it has to be at that weight.

00:52:58.000 Just show up.

00:52:58.000 What do you weigh?

00:52:59.000 Get on the scale.

00:53:00.000 185, bro.

00:53:01.000 You're supposed to be fighting at 155. 0.98

00:53:03.000 How the fuck are you 185? 0.99

00:53:05.000 It's dumb because you're not actually. 1.00

00:53:08.000 It's like having field goals decide like an NFL game. 0.97

00:53:11.000 It's like this is not.

00:53:12.000 This is like a minor part of the sport.

00:53:13.000 Right.

00:53:14.000 So that's like you're having a 185er fight against a 160 pound.

00:53:17.000 So you're not actually saying who's best at your class.

00:53:20.000 In the elite levels, they're all doing it.

00:53:22.000 So everybody's cheating.

00:53:24.000 It's sanctioned cheating.

00:53:25.000 It's not cheating because it's legal.

00:53:26.000 But it's rewarding guys who know how to cut better than guys who don't.

00:53:29.000 And as a casual fan, That's not what we're into.

00:53:31.000 It's also very biological. 0.98

00:53:34.000 So, some people can cut weight very easily, and some people it's a fucking grind. 1.00

00:53:40.000 And it's way more of a grind for women. 1.00

00:53:42.000 Women hold on to that water weight a lot harder than men do. 1.00

00:53:46.000 So, when a woman has to lose, like a woman has to cut like 20 pounds, yeah, man, they cut weight. 1.00

00:53:52.000 But apparently, it's way more brutal for them. 0.98

00:53:54.000 Interesting. 1.00

00:53:55.000 Yeah, it's fucking terrible. 0.99

00:53:57.000 They should, they should, it should have never been in there in the first place. 0.98

00:54:01.000 And they should figure out a way to get it.

00:54:02.000 What do they do in high school wrestling when people fight at like 112?

00:54:05.000 That's just your weight, or do you cut weight?

00:54:06.000 You weigh in the day.

00:54:07.000 The way in the day, but it's still, you're still cutting weight.

00:54:07.000 Right.

00:54:10.000 I weighed, I used to wrestle at 128, and then I wrestled at 128 for a grown man.

00:54:15.000 I mean, at high school.

00:54:16.000 Oh, okay.

00:54:17.000 And then 134.

00:54:19.000 And then, because I couldn't really make 128 anymore.

00:54:22.000 And then when I started fighting in Taekwondo, I fought, my first fights were at 140.

00:54:27.000 That was when I was like 15, 16.

00:54:29.000 And then my last fight at 140, I was 17, and I was not 140.

00:54:35.000 And I was starving myself, and I was cutting a bunch of water weight, and then I would fight dehydrated.

00:54:40.000 Like fighters, I would fight.

00:54:41.000 But I only did it one year.

00:54:42.000 I only did it one year, and then I went up to 155, which was much better.

00:54:45.000 That was easy because I didn't have to cut any weight.

00:54:47.000 I was way better then.

00:54:49.000 But that thing where they do in wrestling, you're not getting hit in the head in wrestling, right?

00:54:54.000 So it will deplete you, and so you have to make a decision like how much am I going to be depleted and want to be the size bully and have a bigger frame and utilize it, but have depleted performance?

00:55:07.000 Like how much?

00:55:08.000 How good a shape would I have to be in where that depletion only takes out a certain percentage of my ability?

00:55:14.000 And so it's like this calculated thing.

00:55:16.000 Like Kurt Angle, for instance.

00:55:18.000 Kurt Angle, when he was an Olympic gold medalist, he didn't cut any weight.

00:55:21.000 And he was a phenomenal wrestler. 1.00

00:55:23.000 Kurt Angle was a fucking monster. 0.99

00:55:25.000 And he was beating guys way bigger than him. 1.00

00:55:27.000 But he had so much energy because he didn't cut weight.

00:55:31.000 And so he was wrestling against guys that did cut weight.

00:55:34.000 And he was dominating him.

00:55:35.000 Yeah, because he was full strength.

00:55:37.000 But they were bigger than him.

00:55:38.000 They were bigger than him. 0.99

00:55:39.000 But he had incredible skill, also strong as fuck anyway, and had no depletion of his resources. 0.99

00:55:47.000 Like his body was working at full capacity. 0.98

00:55:49.000 It's like Greg Fitzsimmons in the prime.

00:55:50.000 He would just fight anybody.

00:55:51.000 Greg Fitzsimmons.

00:55:52.000 He would just fight anybody.

00:55:53.000 Oh, tiny little man.

00:55:54.000 He'd fight anybody.

00:55:56.000 He got attacked on stage at Stitches.

00:55:58.000 Yeah.

00:55:59.000 The guy got a rush.

00:56:00.000 Attacked him, and some brawl broke out, and the bouncers got in, they take the guy away, and then Greg gets on the microphone.

00:56:07.000 Didn't even end the show.

00:56:08.000 Gets on the microphone, and he goes, anybody else want some of this?

00:56:11.000 And then he got started laughing.

00:56:15.000 It was great.

00:56:15.000 He finished his set.

00:56:17.000 He finished his great composure, kept it together, finished his set.

00:56:17.000 Wow.

00:56:22.000 A fucking fun dude. 1.00

00:56:23.000 Wow. 1.00

00:56:25.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:56:26.000 But they really should ban weight cutting.

00:56:29.000 But the only way they're really ever going to be able to do that is to make more weight classes.

00:56:33.000 There's not enough weight classes.

00:56:34.000 And then you'll have the what?

00:56:36.000 I don't understand.

00:56:37.000 I think boxing has 18 weight classes.

00:56:39.000 Yeah, don't you have some who cares weight classes?

00:56:43.000 Yeah, there's sort of.

00:56:45.000 And if you really want to get known, you've got to move up or down to one of the majors.

00:56:49.000 Well, you know what's weird?

00:56:50.000 Like, 160 is a huge weight class, 147, welterweight, huge weight class, big, giant fights. 0.65

00:56:57.000 Cruiserweight, which is like between light heavyweight and heavyweight, no one gives a fuck about. 0.96

00:57:04.000 Wow. 0.85

00:57:05.000 Why?

00:57:06.000 It's weird. 0.97

00:57:07.000 Like, nobody gives a shit about the cruiserweight champion. 0.97

00:57:07.000 It's just weird. 0.97

00:57:09.000 Like, Usyk, before he became the heavyweight champion, was the cruiserweight champion, and people cared about him just because he was so skillful, but he had to go up to heavyweight before people cared.

00:57:18.000 But if he was a light heavyweight, he would have been huge.

00:57:20.000 Be on.

00:57:20.000 Shame on.

00:57:21.000 Interesting.

00:57:21.000 It's weird.

00:57:22.000 Very weird.

00:57:23.000 But I think boxing, how many weight classes does boxing have?

00:57:26.000 Professional boxing.

00:57:27.000 I want to say there's 18, whereas in the UFC, there's only eight.

00:57:32.000 It's a big difference.

00:57:33.000 It's a big difference.

00:57:34.000 And you can follow champions better.

00:57:36.000 But it's also, it's like.

00:57:36.000 Yeah.

00:57:37.000 Even when Mighty Mouse came in, it was like, you have this dominant guy coming in to really launch the weight class.

00:57:44.000 But people are like, we don't know this weight class.

00:57:46.000 So we're less interested in you than we should be.

00:57:48.000 Well, people have a thing about tiny people.

00:57:50.000 They look at a small guy who's like 5'3 and weighs 125 pounds and they're like, nah, we don't care.

00:57:56.000 17 here.

00:57:57.000 Red Ben said the 135ers and 125ers, they should have to come into the octagon on little mini horses and ride around a couple times.

00:57:57.000 17.

00:58:08.000 That's so rude.

00:58:10.000 That's so rude. 1.00

00:58:11.000 What's also interesting is like fly weight women, like Valentina Shevchenko, it's one of the premier weight classes in the women's division. 1.00

00:58:18.000 Because that's heavy? 1.00

00:58:20.000 For a woman, it's like normal size.

00:58:22.000 125 is like a normal weight.

00:58:24.000 It's like a man fighting at 160 or 170.

00:58:27.000 It's normal.

00:58:30.000 Weird.

00:58:30.000 Yeah.

00:58:31.000 But there's not enough weight classes, and they should have fixed that a long time ago.

00:58:31.000 It's weird.

00:58:36.000 There's giant gaps, like the gap between 185, which is middleweight, and then 205, which is light heavyweight.

00:58:43.000 That's crazy.

00:58:44.000 It's a giant leap.

00:58:44.000 It's a big one.

00:58:45.000 And then everything else.

00:58:47.000 Well, not even. 0.99

00:58:49.000 That's what's even stupider. 0.96

00:58:50.000 You get to heavyweight at 265. 0.96

00:58:53.000 That's the cutoff for heavyweight.

00:58:54.000 So you have to weigh 265 or under.

00:58:57.000 That's my favorite weigh-ins because they're still wearing their jeans.

00:59:00.000 They're like, I'm inside a range. 0.99

00:59:02.000 Yeah, they don't give a fuck. 0.99

00:59:04.000 So ceremonial weigh-ins is what we have now. 0.99

00:59:07.000 So, when someone weighs in now, they've already weighed in in the morning in an official scale in front of doctors and state reps.

00:59:15.000 Let me give them a chance to come back again.

00:59:16.000 Athletic Commission checks them out, and so then they just suck a bunch of water down and electrolytes, and they slowly rehydrate over the four or five hours.

00:59:25.000 Yeah, they have to do it slowly.

00:59:27.000 Science is so crazy behind it.

00:59:29.000 The heavyweight division is older than the United States.

00:59:32.000 Wow, officially 1738.

00:59:35.000 Whoa, weighing as much as they want.

00:59:38.000 Whoa, is that real?

00:59:40.000 So, heavyweight was way they weighed 160 plus since the division has no 60 plus.

00:59:46.000 Yeah, people were tiny.

00:59:47.000 Oh, yeah.

00:59:49.000 You know, Rocky Marciano was like one of the great heavyweights of all time.

00:59:52.000 He weighed 185 pounds.

00:59:55.000 So, Rocky Marciano, the heavyweight champ of the world, one of the greatest of all time, weighed 15 pounds less than me.

01:00:01.000 Wow.

01:00:01.000 Yeah.

01:00:02.000 Isn't that nuts?

01:00:03.000 It's so different.

01:00:03.000 If you ever look back at a fat guy from like Chris Farley types or whatever, and you're like, you're not even, you're just a little big.

01:00:09.000 Yeah.

01:00:09.000 It's like normal fat.

01:00:10.000 Steve Simone body.

01:00:11.000 Look at these guys back then. 1.00

01:00:12.000 They wore diapers and shit. 1.00

01:00:14.000 Like, what's that? 1.00

01:00:14.000 What are you wearing? 1.00

01:00:15.000 What's that thing around your waist?

01:00:16.000 What is that?

01:00:18.000 It's a wipe of blood.

01:00:19.000 And they all fought bare knuckle back then, too.

01:00:22.000 Quick fights.

01:00:23.000 Well, they just broke their hands a lot.

01:00:26.000 They threw a lot of punches to the body back then because they didn't want to break their hands on people's heads.

01:00:31.000 That was the biggest defense back then, the Brian Dennehy thing.

01:00:33.000 Lower your head and make a punch on the head and break. 0.98

01:00:35.000 Just lower your head. 0.89

01:00:36.000 And they all boxed like this, too.

01:00:38.000 Well, they would throw their knuckles out like that.

01:00:40.000 Wow.

01:00:41.000 Because if you just blast someone, you could blast someone like that if you have gloves on and hand wraps. 0.63

01:00:47.000 Stockton slap would have gone a long way back then.

01:00:49.000 Oh, yeah.

01:00:49.000 They would have been legendary.

01:00:51.000 Slapped them.

01:00:53.000 Yeah.

01:00:55.000 It's funny how things change and then how they go back to it.

01:00:58.000 Because now bare knuckle boxing is making a huge comeback.

01:01:01.000 Yeah.

01:01:02.000 Seen chess boxing?

01:01:03.000 I've seen that.

01:01:03.000 Oh, yeah.

01:01:04.000 Yeah. 0.97

01:01:04.000 It's ridiculous. 0.97

01:01:05.000 Be fun. 0.99

01:01:06.000 Beat the shit out of each other and then big chess. 0.52

01:01:07.000 Big play, five minutes. 0.95

01:01:08.000 If you're a good boxer, like, you have a massive advantage.

01:01:11.000 The guy just got a concussion.

01:01:12.000 He doesn't even know what the knight does.

01:01:14.000 He's like, you can't move that.

01:01:16.000 I wonder whose idea that was. 1.00

01:01:16.000 I'm like, oh, fuck. 1.00

01:01:18.000 What kind of fucking psychopath. 1.00

01:01:19.000 Who wants to combine those things? 1.00

01:01:22.000 Yeah.

01:01:23.000 It'd have to be people that aren't that good at boxing and aren't that good at chess.

01:01:26.000 Because if somebody flatlines you and sends you to the hospital, you're not playing chess afterwards. 0.98

01:01:30.000 So it has to be people that kind of suck at boxing. 0.96

01:01:30.000 Yeah. 0.96

01:01:33.000 Because if you really like Mike Tyson, somebody, you fucking KO them and they have to get carried out in a stretcher. 1.00

01:01:33.000 Kind of suck at boxing. 1.00

01:01:39.000 Well, then you, by default, won the chess as well because they can't even play. 0.87

01:01:45.000 Yeah.

01:01:45.000 Just dusty boards.

01:01:46.000 You have to take them to the hospital.

01:01:48.000 How are they going to play chess?

01:01:49.000 I don't even understand the rules there.

01:01:51.000 You have to have a minimum of $1,800 in chess to be a competitor.

01:01:54.000 What is that?

01:01:55.000 What's $1,800?

01:01:56.000 I would imagine pretty good.

01:01:57.000 Is that a score?

01:01:58.000 What does that mean?

01:01:59.000 There's scores in chess?

01:02:00.000 Like a golf handicap.

01:02:01.000 Yeah, it's something like that.

01:02:02.000 Wow.

01:02:03.000 So, what is Magnus Carlsen, the guy that was on the podcast?

01:02:05.000 What does he have?

01:02:06.000 What's his rating?

01:02:08.000 Let's see.

01:02:09.000 I just typed it.

01:02:09.000 He plays poker too.

01:02:11.000 Does he?

01:02:11.000 He'd be in the top five in the podcast.

01:02:12.000 Super smart player.

01:02:13.000 Yeah.

01:02:14.000 Super smart.

01:02:15.000 He's one of those dudes you talk to him.

01:02:16.000 There's some guys you talk to him like, oh, there's a lot working on behind those eyes.

01:02:20.000 If you were high around that guy, you'd probably get weirded out.

01:02:23.000 You'd be like, oh, you're an alien.

01:02:26.000 He's 2840.

01:02:28.000 Wow.

01:02:29.000 Way better.

01:02:30.000 What is the highest ranked chess player alive?

01:02:32.000 Good question, Joe.

01:02:33.000 I think that'd be him.

01:02:34.000 That'd be him.

01:02:35.000 Oh, really?

01:02:36.000 Yeah, he peaked at 2882, the highest in history.

01:02:39.000 That's crazy.

01:02:42.000 That is crazy. 1.00

01:02:44.000 What about that schizo Jew turned Arab, whatever his name is? 1.00

01:02:44.000 Wow. 1.00

01:02:47.000 Which guy? 1.00

01:02:48.000 The fucking boy. 1.00

01:02:51.000 The boy went schizo. 1.00

01:02:52.000 Schizo Jew turned Arab? 0.99

01:02:54.000 Wasn't there some Bobby Fisher? 0.96

01:02:54.000 Yeah. 0.96

01:02:55.000 Is that what you're talking about?

01:02:56.000 Bobby Fisher, yeah.

01:02:59.000 I had to translate it.

01:03:01.000 Oh, yeah.

01:03:02.000 He became like very anti Semitic, right?

01:03:04.000 I don't know. 0.99

01:03:05.000 Very close.

01:03:06.000 2785.

01:03:07.000 So Magnus is better than him?

01:03:09.000 I mean, if Magnus is the best ever.

01:03:09.000 Yeah.

01:03:11.000 Yeah, Magnus is the best ever.

01:03:12.000 Oh, okay. 1.00

01:03:13.000 He's a fucking super genius. 0.99

01:03:15.000 So, what happened with Bobby Fischer? 0.98

01:03:17.000 This actually has him rated maybe one point below Magnus's peak, 2881, one year performance, it says.

01:03:23.000 Yeah, it's based off of who you're playing, when you're playing them, and how good they are at the time.

01:03:23.000 Bobby Fischer?

01:03:28.000 It's like golf, it's like who's in the tournament.

01:03:30.000 Yeah, but that happens.

01:03:32.000 Pool has ratings, they have a Fargo rating, and they also do it per game.

01:03:38.000 There's this guy, he just died recently Chang Jung Lin, and he's this dude from.

01:03:45.000 From Taiwan, and he played at a thousand.

01:03:49.000 A thousand was his for one game.

01:03:52.000 He couldn't get it.

01:03:53.000 Not for one game, excuse me, for like one match.

01:03:55.000 What would he have to give to you or to me?

01:03:58.000 Oh, it would be pointless.

01:03:59.000 Detroitless.

01:04:00.000 Just as soon as you.

01:04:01.000 He never missed.

01:04:02.000 That means he played it.

01:04:03.000 Make a ball and you win.

01:04:04.000 There's another guy, this guy who's also from Taiwan, Ko Ping Chung, and he played an entire match where he never missed a ball.

01:04:11.000 He won 11 to nothing against another world class player.

01:04:15.000 Who lost a coin flip to start.

01:04:17.000 Yeah, he lost their lag.

01:04:18.000 Yeah.

01:04:19.000 They lag, and I think.

01:04:21.000 That's it.

01:04:22.000 The guy didn't touch the cue.

01:04:23.000 He broke and left a long shot on the one ball, and the guy missed that, and he never made a ball.

01:04:29.000 He didn't make one ball.

01:04:30.000 There was a couple of times.

01:04:32.000 Winner goes first.

01:04:32.000 Winner goes first, yeah.

01:04:33.000 There was a couple of times.

01:04:35.000 Winner breaks.

01:04:36.000 So every time he broke, and he was making the one ball inside like every game.

01:04:40.000 And every time he didn't have a shot, he would just play a lockup safety, and the guy would kick and then leave a shot, and then he would run out again.

01:04:47.000 He just got in the zone.

01:04:49.000 So he played at a 1,000 Fargo for the entire match.

01:04:53.000 That's crazy.

01:04:55.000 That means he never missed a ball on four inch pockets.

01:04:59.000 Oh, really?

01:05:00.000 Tiny little pockets.

01:05:03.000 There's people that are like.

01:05:04.000 It's amazing how big pool is, too, across the world and billiards, too.

01:05:07.000 Oh, yeah.

01:05:09.000 In Asia, it's huge.

01:05:10.000 Asia is huge.

01:05:11.000 Do you find people with just an overhang just so it doesn't get wet?

01:05:14.000 And they're all out there playing and just like flip flops and.

01:05:17.000 Well, we're losing a lot of the top Taiwanese and Chinese players to a game that they play in China now. 0.75

01:05:24.000 Where it's like a snooker table.

01:05:26.000 It doesn't look like a pool table.

01:05:27.000 Like the pockets aren't cut the same way.

01:05:29.000 They're rounded.

01:05:31.000 But they're playing nine ball and they're playing with like purses for like top purses, like $600,000 for a tournament, $700,000.

01:05:40.000 Wow.

01:05:41.000 So they're all going over there and playing in that because you can make millions in a year instead of a couple hundred grand, which is like what the best players make in America. 1.00

01:05:48.000 That's why women were going to fucking Russia to play basketball. 1.00

01:05:51.000 Until now. 1.00

01:05:51.000 All right. 1.00

01:05:52.000 Until now.

01:05:53.000 Well, just don't bring weed.

01:05:56.000 I mean, just don't bring weed.

01:05:57.000 The thing is, like, I think they were all doing it.

01:05:59.000 I've used basketball a lot, apparently.

01:06:01.000 I'm not a basketball player, clearly.

01:06:03.000 But, Lyric.

01:06:04.000 You couldn't keep score.

01:06:05.000 Me and Muggsy Bogue.

01:06:06.000 Yeah.

01:06:07.000 All right.

01:06:07.000 That's a good reference.

01:06:08.000 Yeah.

01:06:09.000 Nice. 0.99

01:06:10.000 But weed, apparently, is phenomenal for basketball players.

01:06:13.000 Like, they all talk about it.

01:06:15.000 Like, I've talked to basketball players about weed.

01:06:16.000 They say, I can play way better when I'm high.

01:06:18.000 Well, they had the collective bargaining, not a late one, but like 20 years ago.

01:06:23.000 And they're like, we can test for drugs.

01:06:24.000 But they fought back.

01:06:25.000 They go, not weed.

01:06:27.000 So, if you get caught with weed, sure, you can suspend us, but you can't test for it.

01:06:31.000 Yeah.

01:06:31.000 Because, why?

01:06:32.000 We're all doing it.

01:06:33.000 Yeah, they're all doing it, and it helps the game.

01:06:35.000 Like, it helps their feel.

01:06:35.000 Yeah.

01:06:37.000 It helps pool for sure.

01:06:39.000 It helps poker for sure, for sure.

01:06:41.000 Oh, I'd imagine you read people's tells.

01:06:44.000 Yeah.

01:06:44.000 According to World Snooker Tour figures, more than 24.5 million unique viewers watched the third session of the final alone in China, and during the whole 2025 tournament, it had a cumulative audience of 180 million in national broadcasters.

01:06:59.000 Compared to that, That's like an NFL playoff.

01:07:01.000 24 million watch the finals of this.

01:07:02.000 What's, what's, it's like a billion for Super Bowl, right?

01:07:05.000 Yeah, but like a playoff game.

01:07:07.000 Yeah, but that's snooker or like the, that's not English.

01:07:10.000 Call it snooker.

01:07:12.000 So, snooker is very different, and it's on a 12 foot table.

01:07:15.000 It's a huge table, and the balls are very small, and they don't have numbers on them.

01:07:19.000 It's just like red and yellow.

01:07:21.000 Red, black, pink.

01:07:22.000 It's mostly red.

01:07:23.000 There's red that's in the stack, and then you have black, pink, brown, and I think there's another one.

01:07:28.000 I've never played the game. 0.91

01:07:29.000 I fucked around with it when I was in Scotland. 0.99

01:07:31.000 They had a table, and I was like shooting balls on it. 0.99

01:07:34.000 In Columbia, they all play this thing, and it's three cushion billiards.

01:07:34.000 It's interesting.

01:07:37.000 Yeah, and they take their cue and move a thing over, like a scorer over, and they kick.

01:07:42.000 Play and move one over.

01:07:43.000 And they're all playing it and they're just kind of casual bars, but it's like 20 tables and they're everywhere.

01:07:43.000 Yeah.

01:07:48.000 And this is where there's no holes in the table, right?

01:07:50.000 Yeah. 0.97

01:07:51.000 That's called three cushion billiards.

01:07:52.000 I had to sit there and watch and drive.

01:07:53.000 It's a fun game.

01:07:54.000 I don't know how to play it really well.

01:07:58.000 Strategy.

01:08:00.000 It's hella strategy.

01:08:01.000 It's really understanding angles.

01:08:04.000 It's understanding how to kick and how to, like, when I say kick, what I mean is, like, go off a rail and hit another rail and then collide with the ball.

01:08:13.000 So three cushion billiards is you have three balls on the table.

01:08:16.000 That's it.

01:08:17.000 And so you have the whole table.

01:08:19.000 It's like a big ass pool table, but there's no pockets. 0.99

01:08:22.000 And you have three balls. 0.82

01:08:24.000 And so what you have to do is hit one ball and then go three rails, at least three cushions, and then hit the second ball.

01:08:31.000 Then another ball.

01:08:32.000 Yes.

01:08:32.000 Wow.

01:08:33.000 But also put yourself in a position where then you can make another shot afterwards.

01:08:38.000 Right.

01:08:39.000 Or play a safety.

01:08:40.000 It's a complicated game and it's different because it's a lot of its spin.

01:08:44.000 And the harder you hit it, the shorter the angle is.

01:08:47.000 And if you hit it with English, it spins out wider or shorter depending upon what you're trying to do with it. 0.51

01:08:53.000 But if you get good at it, it really will help your pool game because you'll really have a much more deep understanding of how the ball moves around the table with different speed and side spin and all that kind of shit. 0.96

01:09:08.000 I've only fucked around with it though, and not in a long time. 0.91

01:09:11.000 We had a table at Executive Billiards in White Plains. 0.99

01:09:14.000 We used to have a 1 3 cushion table they would fuck around on. 0.97

01:09:18.000 For laughs? 0.99

01:09:19.000 I couldn't do it. 0.99

01:09:20.000 I want to see the balls go away. 0.97

01:09:22.000 I want to see when I'm putting a fireball in, I want to see it go down that hole. 0.99

01:09:22.000 It's nice. 0.99

01:09:26.000 Bye bye.

01:09:27.000 I want to clear it out.

01:09:28.000 I don't want balls lingering, just staring at me like, do it again. 0.93

01:09:32.000 Do it again. 0.99

01:09:33.000 I'm still here.

01:09:34.000 Do it again.

01:09:35.000 It's funny that that became a bar sport.

01:09:38.000 It's really just darts and that became the sports at bars.

01:09:41.000 Sure.

01:09:42.000 And the table takes up a lot more space.

01:09:44.000 The dartboard, yeah.

01:09:46.000 Dartboard, sure, but the pool table, you need like some actual space.

01:09:49.000 Yeah.

01:09:50.000 And that space is totally.

01:09:51.000 Not usable other than that. 1.00

01:09:54.000 That's where it is, unless a girl's dancing on it. 1.00

01:09:59.000 I went to a pool hall slash samba place in somewhere in Brazil. 0.99

01:10:05.000 What?

01:10:06.000 Pool and samba?

01:10:07.000 Yeah, it's like daily, it's a pool hall, but then at night it turns into samba and the highest level guys come in, their capital and their music capital.

01:10:15.000 It's so fun, but these guys don't stop playing pool.

01:10:17.000 And so everyone's dancing, it's so packed and crowded, excuse me.

01:10:19.000 And you're like, the etiquette is, you just know when you're at a bar, you're like, all right, all right.

01:10:23.000 But you want to be like, bro, It's packed.

01:10:26.000 You can't play pool here.

01:10:27.000 Yeah, you can't play pool there.

01:10:28.000 But they were doing it. 0.97

01:10:29.000 Well, there's a place in the Bronx that is this Dominican pool room where they gamble big money, big money, and they stream some of the matches on YouTube. 0.97

01:10:40.000 And it's fucking bananas because people are just talking constantly. 0.99

01:10:45.000 They're yelling at each other in Spanish. 0.99

01:10:46.000 Oh, wow. 1.00

01:10:47.000 You know, Dominican people are having fun.

01:10:49.000 They're having fun. 1.00

01:10:50.000 There's all these Spanish speaking, and they're yelling, and they're all very flamboyant and having a good time. 1.00

01:10:56.000 And they get people to go over there and play like, Pros and they get so rattled because the environment. 1.00

01:11:02.000 They're not used to that.

01:11:03.000 Right.

01:11:03.000 Wow.

01:11:04.000 Play on this turf.

01:11:05.000 Not only that, but the guys can play and they're accustomed to that culture.

01:11:05.000 Right.

01:11:10.000 So, they're accustomed to all the yelling and all the craziness and guys standing in front of the hole while you're shooting at it, which is a no no in regular clubs.

01:11:17.000 Oh, that's like high school.

01:11:19.000 Do it then.

01:11:19.000 Yeah.

01:11:20.000 Do it.

01:11:20.000 They don't do it that bad.

01:11:22.000 It's not that bad, but there's plenty of guys moving around the table.

01:11:25.000 They're all talking.

01:11:26.000 Everyone's yelling.

01:11:28.000 The tables next to you are yelling.

01:11:29.000 They don't care if you're betting $30,000 on a set. 0.99

01:11:32.000 Dominicans are having so much fun, they're allowed to use the N word. 1.00

01:11:38.000 Blacks are like, you know what? 1.00

01:11:39.000 They kind of rule. 1.00

01:11:40.000 Give it to them.

01:11:41.000 It's dark enough.

01:11:41.000 Just a minute.

01:11:42.000 Let it go.

01:11:44.000 Let it go. 0.91

01:11:45.000 But it's really interesting because I've watched guys who are like top pros go over there and fucking lose to guys that they're not supposed to lose to. 0.79

01:11:52.000 And the reason why they're losing is because they're just rattled by the environment.

01:11:56.000 And so, what a lot of these guys will do, they'll put AirPods on.

01:11:58.000 So, they'll put AirPods in with the noise canceling. 0.95

01:12:01.000 So, to try to take away some of the fucking sound and just focus. 0.51

01:12:05.000 But you're really going to be playing at like 60% of your capacity because there's just too much chaos going around. 0.91

01:12:12.000 If you play in a real, legit pool tournament, everything's.

01:12:15.000 Dead quiet while the guy's down on the ball.

01:12:17.000 And then they clap when someone makes the ball, and then he moves to the next shot, they stop clapping.

01:12:21.000 Yeah, too respectful.

01:12:22.000 Yes.

01:12:22.000 Yeah.

01:12:23.000 But not in these fucking pools. 1.00

01:12:24.000 And these guys are playing for big money. 1.00

01:12:27.000 They're playing for tens of thousands of dollars, and they're just getting sharked and rattled.

01:12:31.000 Still in their blood.

01:12:33.000 I watch guys like, I watched this guy, Oscar Dominguez, play this dude.

01:12:36.000 Oscar's a top pro.

01:12:38.000 He was on the Moscone Cup.

01:12:39.000 He was on the Moscone team for the U.S.

01:12:42.000 And he was over there playing this dude.

01:12:44.000 I was like, how did they get him to go there?

01:12:47.000 Wow.

01:12:47.000 I'm talking to my friend Jeremy Jones.

01:12:47.000 Wow.

01:12:49.000 It's like the guys who do Burning Man.

01:12:51.000 The DJ's like, I'll play for free.

01:12:52.000 It's just like, it's a rep thing.

01:12:54.000 Well, I don't think it's that.

01:12:55.000 I think it's the money.

01:12:56.000 Well, Oscar loves to gamble, and he's going to a place where someone's willing to gamble him for a lot of money.

01:13:01.000 Wait, you say this thing about Jones?

01:13:02.000 I'm going to listen while I go to piss.

01:13:05.000 We'll pause.

01:13:05.000 Go piss.

01:13:06.000 We'll pause.

01:13:07.000 We'll be right back, ladies and gentlemen.

01:13:09.000 I'm not going to stay the whole thing.

01:13:10.000 We'll pause.

01:13:11.000 We're back, folks.

01:13:11.000 We're back.

01:13:12.000 So, what I was saying is my friend Jeremy Jones, who was a U.S. Open champion, he said he went to that pool hall once, and he said, I'm never going back.

01:13:19.000 Too much.

01:13:20.000 It's too much.

01:13:21.000 And he's also said that the neighborhood is like.

01:13:21.000 Too much.

01:13:24.000 Dang.

01:13:25.000 Things can go sideways.

01:13:27.000 It's a neighborhood where, like, hey, you might go there three nights in a row and you have a good time.

01:13:32.000 Fourth night, four people get shot.

01:13:33.000 You know what I mean?

01:13:33.000 That was always the problem with underground pool, I mean, poker rooms.

01:13:36.000 Oh, yeah.

01:13:36.000 You play at commerce or a place like that's legit, it's fine.

01:13:39.000 You go underground, like, there's not, there's a guard there.

01:13:42.000 Right.

01:13:43.000 And you're walking out with a lot of money.

01:13:45.000 I remember when you were struggling in the early days of comedy when we.

01:13:49.000 Kind of first met, yeah, and you were making your money by winning pool tournament or poker tournaments, yeah.

01:13:56.000 You would go to these casinos and make and you would play it like a job, you'd be like super serious.

01:14:02.000 I've read books on it, yeah.

01:14:05.000 The best book of all, there's tells and there's strategy.

01:14:09.000 The best, my favorite book is this guy, Mike Caro.

01:14:12.000 It's a book called Mike Caro's Book of Poker Tells.

01:14:16.000 Um, yeah, I managed to use one of them once in a World Series event.

01:14:21.000 Um, That if this is the one where it goes, if someone looks at your chips, it's because they have a killer hand and they think those chips are theirs.

01:14:29.000 And it's just like, you know, when you lie, you look away a little bit.

01:14:32.000 That's like a tell we all kind of know.

01:14:33.000 So you look at the chips.

01:14:34.000 You look at it just for a second.

01:14:36.000 You're like, because you're like, those are mine.

01:14:37.000 You're not worried about your chips because you know your chips are staying.

01:14:39.000 You got a full house.

01:14:40.000 You know those are safe.

01:14:42.000 But you're looking at those like, how much of that can I extract?

01:14:44.000 So I was throwing a bluff down against a pro at the World Series.

01:14:48.000 It was like, whatever.

01:14:49.000 And I was like, I think he must have read this book.

01:14:53.000 And so I'm banking on that.

01:14:55.000 So I'm holding my bluff, nothing hand, and I just kind of do a very subtly, just do one little, and he goes, Yeah, right.

01:15:01.000 He chucked his hand away.

01:15:03.000 Wow.

01:15:03.000 Yeah, he thought he had me red.

01:15:06.000 But the best thing about Mike Carroll's poker tells.

01:15:07.000 I was going to say, You double crossed.

01:15:09.000 Double crossed.

01:15:10.000 I double crossed, Joe.

01:15:11.000 I love that.

01:15:12.000 I love that.

01:15:12.000 Thank you for recognizing that.

01:15:13.000 I love a double cross.

01:15:14.000 I love that.

01:15:15.000 That's so cool. 0.99

01:15:16.000 That's the cool thing about poker that it's like a lot of it's bullshit. 1.00

01:15:19.000 You're bullshitting, you know? 0.99

01:15:21.000 It's how you're bluffing. 1.00

01:15:22.000 The best thing about the poker tales was written in the 70s, and there's a bunch of race based tales. 0.89

01:15:29.000 Really? 0.97

01:15:30.000 Yeah.

01:15:31.000 Which ethnicities?

01:15:32.000 All. 1.00

01:15:33.000 If an older white man re raises you, get out. 1.00

01:15:33.000 All of them? 1.00

01:15:37.000 That guy doesn't bluff.

01:15:38.000 He's just trying to play.

01:15:40.000 You know, his wife died years ago.

01:15:41.000 He's just trying to extend. 1.00

01:15:43.000 They're like, if you're playing against a Mexican, find out when payday is. 1.00

01:15:46.000 And if it was this Friday, they're bluffing. 1.00

01:15:49.000 They're just throwing in anything.

01:15:50.000 They just want to play.

01:15:51.000 They're going to part with their monies. 0.96

01:15:52.000 There was a whole thing on blacks.

01:15:53.000 I forget exactly what they were saying on that, but it was like very interesting.

01:15:57.000 What year was this written?

01:15:58.000 I think in the 70s.

01:15:59.000 Interesting.

01:15:59.000 Back when you could be honest.

01:16:00.000 Yeah.

01:16:00.000 And he was like, I don't know.

01:16:01.000 I was just telling you how to win.

01:16:02.000 All in the family days.

01:16:06.000 Yeah.

01:16:07.000 You could get away with a lot of like honest observations about different cultures.

01:16:07.000 Yeah.

01:16:13.000 Mike Carroll's Book of Poker Tells.

01:16:13.000 Oh.

01:16:15.000 Orientals.

01:16:16.000 Orientals.

01:16:17.000 Either very skillful or very luck oriented. 1.00

01:16:19.000 I like it says it now, Asian Americans. 1.00

01:16:22.000 Like, what happened to Oriental?

01:16:24.000 What happened to Oriental?

01:16:25.000 Someone told me that Oriental is like a slur now. 1.00

01:16:28.000 But it's actually the right word. 1.00

01:16:29.000 Is it?

01:16:30.000 The Orient?

01:16:31.000 It's people or goods from the Orient. 0.99

01:16:33.000 You know what the opposite is? 0.96

01:16:34.000 What?

01:16:35.000 You and I, Occidental.

01:16:37.000 People or goods from, I guess, not the Orient.

01:16:40.000 Really?

01:16:40.000 We're Occidentals?

01:16:42.000 You know what's also interesting? 1.00

01:16:43.000 It's like Asians.

01:16:45.000 Asian is so much of the world.

01:16:48.000 Yeah.

01:16:49.000 Like, Asian includes India, which is Asian.

01:16:52.000 Nah, if I was president, executive order.

01:16:54.000 That's no.

01:16:55.000 No.

01:16:56.000 That's not who we're talking about.

01:16:57.000 That's not who we're talking about. 0.93

01:16:58.000 Is it Pakistan in Asia? 0.99

01:17:00.000 Yeah, right. 0.74

01:17:01.000 That's Middle East.

01:17:02.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:17:02.000 Fuck off. 1.00

01:17:03.000 Fuck off. 1.00

01:17:04.000 You know, oh, Israel is also Asia, by the way. 1.00

01:17:06.000 But it's also like the Philippines is Asia.

01:17:09.000 That's Asia. 0.97

01:17:10.000 But it's. 0.98

01:17:11.000 I'll give you that.

01:17:12.000 Okay, but it's way over there.

01:17:13.000 It's way over there.

01:17:14.000 And then you got China, and then you got Japan, and then you got Korea, and South Korea, and North Korea.

01:17:19.000 Okay.

01:17:20.000 Let's be real.

01:17:21.000 China, Japan are the obvious ones.

01:17:22.000 Yes.

01:17:23.000 Those are the big ones. 0.98

01:17:23.000 That's Asia. 0.98

01:17:24.000 The further you get, the more. 0.98

01:17:25.000 Korea.

01:17:26.000 Korea is also in the gold. 0.96

01:17:27.000 Vietnam, you're still in the gold. 0.96

01:17:27.000 Korea, okay. 0.96

01:17:29.000 Vietnam gets gold.

01:17:29.000 Mongolia, I don't know.

01:17:31.000 Hmm. 0.74

01:17:32.000 Well, they're almost Russian. 0.86

01:17:34.000 Saudi Arabia is Asia. 1.00

01:17:36.000 Fuck off. 1.00

01:17:36.000 We're talking about China and their subsidiaries. 1.00

01:17:39.000 Look how big Asia is. 0.82

01:17:40.000 Cambodia, okay, sure. 1.00

01:17:42.000 All the jungles.

01:17:44.000 How many have I been to?

01:17:44.000 Wow.

01:17:45.000 So Russia's technically Asia? 0.96

01:17:48.000 That's Asian Russia. 1.00

01:17:49.000 Israel is the craziest one. 1.00

01:17:51.000 Yeah, it would cut off right here because it'd be like European Russia, too. 1.00

01:17:54.000 So there's Asian Russia. 0.95

01:17:54.000 Oh, okay. 0.95

01:17:57.000 So that would be Siberia, right?

01:17:58.000 Yeah, wait a minute.

01:17:59.000 The Maldives or. 0.91

01:18:00.000 But that would be like Mongolia for sure. 0.96

01:18:02.000 Kazakhstan is Asia. 0.93

01:18:04.000 Wow.

01:18:05.000 Yeah.

01:18:06.000 Mongolia. 0.98

01:18:06.000 But a lot of the Kazakhstan guys look Asian. 0.98

01:18:09.000 Like this guy, Shavkat Rokmanov, who fights in the UFC.

01:18:14.000 A Mongolian accent is crazy because it really is. 0.91

01:18:16.000 It sounds like half Chinese, half Russian. 0.99

01:18:19.000 You know, they look Chinese speaking like that Russian accent. 0.99

01:18:22.000 Hard people, bro. 1.00

01:18:24.000 Hard people.

01:18:26.000 Kazakhstan, India, Iran?

01:18:30.000 Iran is Asia? 0.85

01:18:31.000 Israel's Asia. 0.87

01:18:32.000 Israel's Asia. 0.88

01:18:33.000 Israel's the edge. 0.98

01:18:34.000 Yeah, basically everything that's. 1.00

01:18:37.000 All those people are Oriental. 0.99

01:18:39.000 Orientals. 1.00

01:18:41.000 Next time I go to Jerusalem, I'm going to call them all Orientals. 1.00

01:18:43.000 Look how close Yemen is to Ethiopia. 1.00

01:18:45.000 It feels like you could swim there. 0.94

01:18:48.000 Yeah.

01:18:49.000 We really were motivated.

01:18:51.000 Yeah, if you want to. 0.99

01:18:51.000 Damn. 0.99

01:18:53.000 You just go to a pool also. 1.00

01:18:55.000 You don't really have to. 1.00

01:18:56.000 Look where Israel.

01:18:57.000 No worries. 0.86

01:18:59.000 Look where Israel is.

01:19:00.000 Maps are so interesting. 0.99

01:19:01.000 See how they split shit up. 1.00

01:19:03.000 Israel is like, that's what's nuts. 0.99

01:19:05.000 You ever see the border between Egypt and Palestine? 0.97

01:19:10.000 That border is nuts.

01:19:11.000 What do you mean?

01:19:12.000 Oh, my God.

01:19:13.000 It's the most fortified border you've ever seen in your life.

01:19:15.000 You think the border between Israel and Palestine is rough?

01:19:17.000 Really?

01:19:18.000 Yeah.

01:19:19.000 The border between Egypt and Palestine is way harder to get. 1.00

01:19:22.000 They do not want those people over there. 1.00

01:19:23.000 They do not want those people over there.

01:19:27.000 You ever seen it?

01:19:28.000 No. 1.00

01:19:28.000 Fucking rolls of barbed wire. 1.00

01:19:30.000 It's crazy. 1.00

01:19:31.000 Yeah, look at that.

01:19:32.000 Does that guy just catch a baby being thrown over?

01:19:34.000 Click on that one, please. 0.72

01:19:35.000 The one that says the Arab Weekly.

01:19:38.000 On the top.

01:19:39.000 Yeah, right there.

01:19:40.000 Look at that.

01:19:40.000 Look at that, bro.

01:19:42.000 You ain't getting through that.

01:19:42.000 Wow.

01:19:43.000 What a nice place to stroll for those two guys.

01:19:46.000 Just a relaxing afternoon near the Gaza wall.

01:19:51.000 Look at that.

01:19:52.000 That's crazy.

01:19:56.000 Sad times.

01:19:57.000 Oh, the saddest.

01:20:00.000 The saddest. 1.00

01:20:02.000 Peace in the Middle East. 1.00

01:20:04.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:20:04.000 Good luck. 1.00

01:20:06.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:20:07.000 They're all nuts. 0.99

01:20:08.000 It's even more nuts now. 1.00

01:20:09.000 Look what's happening in Lebanon. 0.85

01:20:11.000 Now they're bombing Lebanon, too.

01:20:13.000 Really?

01:20:13.000 Yeah.

01:20:14.000 Oh, my God.

01:20:14.000 Follow any of this?

01:20:15.000 Israel's bombing the shit out of southern Lebanon. 0.99

01:20:17.000 Lebanon? 0.99

01:20:18.000 Yeah, I was reading about this.

01:20:20.000 Ryan Grimm was covering this Lebanon reporter, this reporter in Lebanon that Israel killed.

01:20:27.000 They followed her with drones.

01:20:30.000 They bombed a car in front of her. 0.98

01:20:31.000 She ran into an abandoned building, and then they bombed the shit out of the building. 0.97

01:20:35.000 And this took hours. 0.95

01:20:36.000 And all the while, She was contacting, like, whoever runs Lebanon, and they were contacting Israel and saying, Hey, this is a reporter. 0.72

01:20:46.000 And so then they got text messages between, like, this someone from the IDF had been saying to them, We're going to kill you.

01:20:54.000 And then they got the number from her phone and contacted the person from the IDF. 1.00

01:20:58.000 And they were saying, Hey, she works for Hezbollah, and, you know, fuck you, and you're naive. 1.00

01:21:03.000 It's crazy. 1.00

01:21:04.000 Like, they're just openly killing journalists.

01:21:07.000 You know what they did a good job of when I was traveling? 0.65

01:21:09.000 Is they got it more than up here is separating Israel from Jew.

01:21:14.000 They really were like, we don't have any problem with Jews. 0.81

01:21:16.000 But they would be very staunchly anti Israel. 0.99

01:21:20.000 Yeah.

01:21:21.000 Yeah. 0.64

01:21:22.000 Well, if you live in Israel, you have to do military service, right? 0.62

01:21:24.000 So everyone who lives in Israel is a part of the military in their eyes.

01:21:29.000 Like everyone who lives in Israel has served in the military.

01:21:33.000 It's interesting, though.

01:21:34.000 It's like a lot of those kids and then turned into adults are like very against what they're doing.

01:21:38.000 Oh, yeah.

01:21:39.000 It's like an uncovered, I think, um, Like part of it.

01:21:42.000 And they're like, yeah, we don't like this.

01:21:43.000 I mean, half this country or more even didn't vote for Trump, didn't vote for Biden.

01:21:48.000 So they're like, well, I don't like this.

01:21:49.000 But then you still have to be pro everything about this thing, even though you cannot like certain things.

01:21:56.000 Right.

01:21:56.000 The idea that all Israelis have a single hive mind.

01:22:00.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:22:01.000 That's crazy.

01:22:02.000 That's not the case in any country ever.

01:22:03.000 It's not the same in any crowd, especially a democracy, because Israel's literally the only democracy over there, really.

01:22:10.000 Yeah.

01:22:10.000 And they have parliament too.

01:22:11.000 So there's a lot of choices.

01:22:13.000 And they're trying to prosecute.

01:22:16.000 Netanyahu, while all this is going on.

01:22:18.000 Who was the Israelis?

01:22:19.000 I mean, this was one of the things that most people aren't aware of, but that before October 7th, there were hundreds of thousands of people on the streets in Israel protesting Netanyahu.

01:22:19.000 Yeah.

01:22:30.000 We talked about it the other day because they were trying to expand, but this was before the war.

01:22:34.000 Right, right.

01:22:35.000 So they were trying to expand what they can do in terms of like with their constitution.

01:22:41.000 We talked about it.

01:22:42.000 What was the exact. 0.51

01:22:44.000 Chami, do you remember?

01:22:46.000 The exact thing that they were disputing over.

01:22:48.000 But it was expanding the power that the government has.

01:22:50.000 And so people were protesting that.

01:22:52.000 And then all of a sudden, October 7th pops off power.

01:22:55.000 Yeah.

01:22:56.000 And then, you know.

01:22:57.000 So it happened here at 9 11.

01:22:59.000 It became like if you say anything bad now, you're like a traitor instead of just like, well, I was already saying they have issues with police overstepping or whatever.

01:23:09.000 You're like, well, now you can't say that for about three years.

01:23:11.000 Oh, yeah.

01:23:12.000 Yeah.

01:23:13.000 So before October 7th, Israel experienced nine months of massive, sustained protest against Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's government, largely driven by opposition to proposed judicial reforms.

01:23:26.000 These demonstrations included hundreds of thousands of participants accused the right wing coalition of undermining.

01:23:32.000 Democracy weakening the Supreme Court and attempting to interfere with Netanyahu's ongoing corruption trial.

01:23:37.000 Yeah, and so that's the same as here, where it's not about, like, are you pro gay marriage or not, or are you pro, like, peace of Palestine or not.

01:23:44.000 That's just people taking power.

01:23:45.000 Right.

01:23:46.000 And so that goes beyond the right or left and just go, no, no, that's an overstep.

01:23:49.000 Yeah.

01:23:51.000 Yeah, it's.

01:23:54.000 But anyway. 1.00

01:23:54.000 It's fucked. 1.00

01:23:55.000 It's fucked because it's not going to get any better. 1.00

01:23:57.000 It's not. 1.00

01:23:57.000 And they've destroyed Gaza. 1.00

01:23:58.000 Gaza is just a wasteland now.

01:24:01.000 I mean.

01:24:02.000 Someone posted recent video of Gaza, like what it looked like now, like right now.

01:24:08.000 They sent a drone or something to get video footage of what Gaza looks like.

01:24:13.000 And it's crazy.

01:24:16.000 It's crazy.

01:24:17.000 It looks like they dropped a nuke.

01:24:19.000 They just did it slowly. 0.99

01:24:20.000 Instead of dropping one nuke, they did thousands of fucking conventional bombs and did the kind of destruction that they did. 0.90

01:24:28.000 It's interesting if you ask people how it's like polarizing everybody got or polarized, you couldn't just be like, any suffering is wrong. 0.87

01:24:35.000 But, like, I could show you a dead baby, and a lot of people will go, Well, what I gotta know what their last name is first, right?

01:24:42.000 Before I can tell you if I feel bad or not, right?

01:24:44.000 Yeah, instead of just like, That's I don't know, clearly, I know that's what's really wrong about it.

01:24:48.000 Yeah, that's just so dark.

01:24:49.000 And then, if you talk about like what's happening in Gaza, people say, Well, October 7th shouldn't happen.

01:24:54.000 Like, okay, you're right, it shouldn't have.

01:24:57.000 But guess what?

01:24:58.000 Those kids that live in Gaza didn't do it, so like, well, down their team, it's like, What we did to Iran, what if Iran nukes New York City?

01:25:08.000 Those kids that live in the Bronx, they had nothing to do with what happened in Iran.

01:25:12.000 So, like, is that okay?

01:25:13.000 Like, what are we talking about?

01:25:14.000 This is a mess. 0.99

01:25:15.000 It's fucking nuts. 1.00

01:25:17.000 Tribal warfare is fucking bananas that it's still going on. 0.99

01:25:20.000 Well, I was talking to people when I knew, like, cousins and stuff in the military, and they had just gotten out, and they were like, We're all now, this is before October 7th. 0.96

01:25:27.000 It's a few years before, maybe 2018.

01:25:29.000 They're like, We're talking now because we have the internet now.

01:25:31.000 And we're like, This isn't sustainable, and we don't want to keep doing this.

01:25:34.000 We've got to start figuring out a peace thing.

01:25:36.000 And then that's all gone now.

01:25:38.000 It's all gone.

01:25:39.000 Yeah. 0.97

01:25:40.000 Not only is it all gone, but now that they've started bombing Lebanon, everybody's really terrified because they're like, well, where is this going?

01:25:45.000 Because they're bombing Christian villages in Lebanon.

01:25:49.000 And there's video of them destroying these solar panels that these Christian villages have in Lebanon, where they're just plowing over and using tractors to take down these solar panels.

01:25:59.000 Part of me goes to like.

01:26:00.000 This isn't the military.

01:26:02.000 Like, what are you doing?

01:26:02.000 Yeah.

01:26:03.000 It still goes back to like Wesley Clark, if I got that right.

01:26:06.000 Yeah, the seven countries.

01:26:07.000 The seven countries. 0.74

01:26:07.000 And Iran was on there. 0.74

01:26:09.000 Oh, really?

01:26:09.000 And we just hadn't gotten there yet.

01:26:10.000 Oh, yeah.

01:26:11.000 But that was always like.

01:26:12.000 That's not a new thing that was just in the works for a couple decades, just waiting for the timers right.

01:26:17.000 Yeah, they wanted to do it within five years, so it took 25.

01:26:19.000 It took long.

01:26:20.000 Yeah.

01:26:21.000 The Wesley Clark thing is funny because, you know, Dave Smith had a debate with Coleman Hughes about that.

01:26:27.000 And Coleman Hughes is like, but Wesley Clark never said he read the memo.

01:26:32.000 He said someone told him about the memo.

01:26:34.000 He goes, any historian would not even be able to use that.

01:26:37.000 Oh, I thought they said they had.

01:26:39.000 Yeah, I don't know.

01:26:39.000 I don't know.

01:26:40.000 I don't think so.

01:26:41.000 I think the way Coleman was describing it.

01:26:43.000 But the reality is, okay, yeah, you might be right.

01:26:46.000 Maybe because he hadn't read it, any historian would not have been able to use it in the book.

01:26:50.000 But the fact that it all took place exactly how the memo stated, that seems relevant.

01:26:56.000 And that came out before.

01:26:57.000 So, you're like, hey, we're going to Iran soon. 0.63

01:26:59.000 And then it's like, they did.

01:27:00.000 Syria, they kept trying. 0.99

01:27:01.000 Syria was the best to me because when Obama's doing it, and I don't care who's in charge, they're all doing the same shit to me. 0.99

01:27:08.000 But they go, we got to go in there to overthrow this dictator. 0.98

01:27:11.000 And then people would just come off the whole Middle Eastern war.

01:27:14.000 Like, no, we're done.

01:27:15.000 And so they couldn't justify it.

01:27:17.000 And then they go, hey, this is an insurgent group and they're going to get out of hand.

01:27:20.000 We got to go in and control them.

01:27:22.000 And then it's like, wait, you want to go fight the guy who was fighting against Assad?

01:27:26.000 And then that ended.

01:27:27.000 And then they go, no, we got to take down Assad.

01:27:29.000 And it's like, you really seem like you guys want to go into Syria.

01:27:32.000 Looking for any sort of excuse.

01:27:36.000 It's all crazy. 1.00

01:27:37.000 Politics is stupid. 1.00

01:27:38.000 Let's move on. 1.00

01:27:39.000 It's like a control group. 0.98

01:27:39.000 It's sissy. 0.98

01:27:40.000 It is gross. 0.98

01:27:41.000 Yeah.

01:27:41.000 Yeah, your perspective is probably the healthiest.

01:27:43.000 Stay out of it.

01:27:44.000 Stay out of it.

01:27:45.000 Leave me alone.

01:27:46.000 Live my life. 1.00

01:27:46.000 Fuck you. 1.00

01:27:47.000 But the thing is, like, some of it does affect your life, like this psychedelic drugs thing. 1.00

01:27:53.000 Okay. 0.99

01:27:54.000 So, in that moment where you got fucking, maybe, hopefully, shrooms legalized, you know, in an ideal world, is a, Very rare case of someone who can actually accomplish change. 0.99

01:28:06.000 And you're at a higher level than most people in terms of influence, both personally and like broadly. 1.00

01:28:14.000 But also the individual, like him.

01:28:17.000 Like most people wouldn't do it that way. 0.90

01:28:19.000 Like if I was friends with Obama, there's not a fucking chance in hell I could have gone to Obama and said, hey dude, you know what would be cool? 0.93

01:28:24.000 If you got Ibogaine legalized, it would keep all these people that are addicted to it. 0.97

01:28:28.000 He could have done that decades ago.

01:28:31.000 Everyone could have done that.

01:28:32.000 They've known about Ibogaine forever.

01:28:33.000 And they've also known about the pill crisis forever.

01:28:36.000 All this stuff was common knowledge amongst plenty of people.

01:28:36.000 So.

01:28:40.000 Yeah.

01:28:41.000 I mean, John Hopkins has been doing these studies.

01:28:43.000 John Hopkins has a playlist for shrooms and MDMA.

01:28:47.000 They make a playlist for you.

01:28:48.000 That you can, like, this is a good MDMA or shrooms.

01:28:48.000 They do?

01:28:51.000 I forget which one.

01:28:52.000 Shrooms playlist.

01:28:53.000 Is it, like, John Hopkins, like, sanctioned it or someone who.

01:28:56.000 Yeah, no, someone who works there.

01:28:57.000 No, no, no.

01:28:58.000 A professor or something like that in the research they're doing.

01:29:01.000 In the psilocybin research.

01:29:02.000 It was all psilocybin, right?

01:29:03.000 And not.

01:29:04.000 I think, yeah.

01:29:05.000 John Hopkins was all psilocybin.

01:29:07.000 Yeah, they all kind of led the way.

01:29:08.000 They have a playlist you can get.

01:29:10.000 It's on Spotify.

01:29:11.000 People have been aware of it for so long.

01:29:14.000 Inside the John Hopkins psilocybin playlist.

01:29:17.000 Wow.

01:29:18.000 This is 2020.

01:29:20.000 Dude, I'm always amazed when my memory turns out to not be false.

01:29:23.000 He looks like he's tripping.

01:29:23.000 Look at that guy.

01:29:25.000 He looks like he trips. 1.00

01:29:26.000 He's like an old dude's trip balls. 0.99

01:29:27.000 Just hug people. 1.00

01:29:28.000 Look at his smile.

01:29:28.000 Bill Richards.

01:29:29.000 That guy's not working for an insurance company.

01:29:32.000 Loosen his tie.

01:29:33.000 Yeah.

01:29:33.000 Bill Richards looks like he's tripped.

01:29:35.000 Psychologist and researcher.

01:29:37.000 They should put researcher in quotes.

01:29:38.000 Psychologist, researcher, and former deadhead.

01:29:41.000 Yeah.

01:29:42.000 I think of it as a nonverbal support system, sort of like a net for a trapeze artist.

01:29:49.000 If all's going well, you're not even aware the net is there.

01:29:52.000 You don't even hear the music.

01:29:53.000 But if you start getting anxious or if you need it, it's immediately there to provide a structure.

01:29:58.000 Oh, Bill, you trip hard.

01:30:00.000 When I was doing ayahuasca, this guy was like, this shaman guy was like beating a drum very lightly.

01:30:05.000 And when you come out of it, whatever, the slow, like, boom, boom, it would kind of like pull you back into it.

01:30:11.000 Mm hmm.

01:30:13.000 Mmm, seven hour and 40 minute playlist.

01:30:15.000 Boy, those guys go, oh, I'll make sure.

01:30:18.000 Symphony of sorrowful songs.

01:30:18.000 Put that on the roof.

01:30:21.000 Hey, don't do that.

01:30:23.000 Don't give me sorrowful songs while I'm tripping.

01:30:26.000 You're trying to have a bad time?

01:30:27.000 Yeah, I want to hear.

01:30:28.000 I want to hear big emotions.

01:30:29.000 It's too much for grandmother's death.

01:30:30.000 No, not grandma.

01:30:34.000 People always ask me about mushrooms.

01:30:36.000 Like, is it going to be this emotional, like, spiritual thing?

01:30:38.000 I'm like, that gets hyped more.

01:30:41.000 You're going to laugh with your friends.

01:30:42.000 That's the main thing.

01:30:42.000 Yeah.

01:30:43.000 There's going to be, I mean, it depends on the dose, right?

01:30:46.000 Like a heavy dose will bring you to a very strange place.

01:30:49.000 Dude, I had a.

01:30:51.000 This is going to be the best mushroom trip of all time on this trip.

01:30:53.000 Yeah?

01:30:54.000 Yeah.

01:30:54.000 Of all time.

01:30:55.000 Yeah, maybe.

01:30:56.000 Maybe, maybe the first one.

01:30:57.000 The Muhammad Ali of mushroom chips.

01:30:59.000 Yeah, and it wasn't like it was crazy hard.

01:31:00.000 It was just, they were fresh. 0.97

01:31:02.000 And it was just like the thoughts, and it was just in places where nobody really gave a fuck. 0.99

01:31:06.000 So you didn't feel like you were like a drug addict. 0.98

01:31:10.000 And just like, yeah, just seeing everything so clear. 1.00

01:31:14.000 Yeah, mushrooms fucking rule. 0.97

01:31:15.000 You just see everything so clear. 1.00

01:31:17.000 It kills the you in your brain, it kills the bullshit part. 1.00

01:31:20.000 Yeah, and so you go, look at this behavior. 1.00

01:31:22.000 And it's the same as analyzing someone else's behavior or your own.

01:31:25.000 There's the same.

01:31:26.000 That's a part of one of the problems that comes with living a stressful life is you get really wrapped up in yourself.

01:31:33.000 Like you're managing yourself, you're managing your thoughts, you're managing your whatever you're trying to do.

01:31:39.000 And then you think so much about you that a thing like that can take you out of that and you go, oh, what am I wasting my thoughts on this for?

01:31:47.000 Why am I wasting my energy on this?

01:31:49.000 It's so pointless.

01:31:50.000 It's not helping me at all.

01:31:52.000 And you see people, I saw my father for like who he really is now, just like a loving, caring granddad.

01:31:57.000 And they were like, oh, what a fucking cool guy that I always saw as this guy I grew up with. 0.51

01:32:01.000 And then just like, man. 0.97

01:32:04.000 Yeah.

01:32:04.000 And just like realizing, like, I'm doing the same stuff he did, like going, you know, starting a new life.

01:32:10.000 He did the same shit coming to America. 0.99

01:32:11.000 And it's like, wow, what a. 1.00

01:32:13.000 Look at it separately from your father.

01:32:14.000 Like, that's a cool guy.

01:32:15.000 You talked about having your father come on this podcast to talk about his experience as a Holocaust survivor.

01:32:21.000 He would.

01:32:22.000 How old is he now?

01:32:23.000 He's about to be 90.

01:32:25.000 Still with it, though.

01:32:25.000 Wow.

01:32:26.000 He's not like a feeble. 1.00

01:32:27.000 That's awesome. 0.99

01:32:28.000 Yeah.

01:32:29.000 Would he do it?

01:32:30.000 He would do it.

01:32:31.000 He loves getting the word out.

01:32:32.000 How old was he when he was in the camps?

01:32:35.000 Young.

01:32:36.000 Single digits.

01:32:37.000 Wow.

01:32:38.000 And maybe up to, I think maybe released at 12.

01:32:41.000 Yeah, he would do it.

01:32:42.000 He would love it because he works at the Holocaust Memorial as a docent or something.

01:32:46.000 He has a tattoo and everything.

01:32:49.000 Does he have a tattoo?

01:32:50.000 I don't think so.

01:32:51.000 No.

01:32:52.000 He wasn't in a death camp, he was in a work camp.

01:32:55.000 I believe, this is all, I believe my grandfather, his dad was in.

01:32:59.000 Was liberated from a death camp.

01:33:01.000 But yeah, you should talk to him.

01:33:02.000 He would actually love it.

01:33:03.000 He loved getting the word out.

01:33:04.000 I've seen him make speeches before, and there's all these inner city kids from like Kansas City, you know, and then when they hear him talk, it's just this moment you realize, like, oh, this isn't a story.

01:33:13.000 This is like.

01:33:14.000 His life.

01:33:15.000 Yeah, it's a real thing.

01:33:16.000 Like Attila the Hun, you're like, that seems like a fictional character.

01:33:16.000 Yeah.

01:33:19.000 Because they're so removed from it, and this is just at the borderline of that.

01:33:19.000 Yeah.

01:33:22.000 Dude, he would.

01:33:23.000 Yeah, you should do it.

01:33:24.000 I would do it.

01:33:25.000 I'd love to have him on.

01:33:26.000 Talk to him.

01:33:27.000 It's a weird time with.

01:33:29.000 It's a weird time.

01:33:30.000 With.

01:33:32.000 Anything that has anything to do with people being Jewish because they conflate Jewish people with the Israeli government, the Netanyahu government, and what they're doing in Gaza and what they're doing all the other places.

01:33:45.000 And it's also, it's like, there's a weird time now where people are enjoying questioning the numbers of people that died in the Holocaust. 0.92

01:33:52.000 It's an internet retarded, just kind of like. 0.95

01:33:56.000 But there is some weirdness to it. 0.90

01:33:58.000 And one of the weirdness to it is like there's some photos of Auschwitz and a lot of these other camps that they took after the camps were liberated and they had people.

01:34:06.000 Go there, and they took photos of them, like pretending that these people were at the camps.

01:34:12.000 And they weren't.

01:34:13.000 They were done after the fact.

01:34:15.000 Yeah.

01:34:16.000 But there's also tons of people.

01:34:17.000 It's like, what are you hoping for?

01:34:18.000 It was only 1 million?

01:34:20.000 Right.

01:34:20.000 So that's okay somehow?

01:34:21.000 You want to justify it in your head?

01:34:23.000 Yeah, that's where it's weird.

01:34:24.000 I don't know.

01:34:24.000 If it was 600 people, I'd be like, ugh.

01:34:26.000 Right.

01:34:27.000 Well, it's clearly there was a lot of people.

01:34:30.000 I don't know what the number is.

01:34:31.000 But if it was 6 million or if it was 1 million or 3 million, It's like to catch people, like, no, no, you guys said it was six.

01:34:39.000 Like, they're also in the 1930s and 40s.

01:34:42.000 So it's like, I don't know how to, and we're guessing.

01:34:45.000 We don't have the wherewithal.

01:34:46.000 And you ask somebody in the Holocaust, they go, well, I was only in my one camp.

01:34:49.000 I can't tell you what was going on in Bergen-Belsen.

01:34:51.000 But there's people that are like equally sure that it was six million. 0.73

01:34:55.000 And then there's people that are equally sure that it was like 300,000 or 600,000 or whatever the fuck they think it was.

01:35:01.000 And it's like this weird argument back and forth. 0.84

01:35:04.000 I mean, you have to see how many Jews were in Europe before and after.

01:35:08.000 Right.

01:35:08.000 And there should be more.

01:35:09.000 It's funny when you see, like, if you have a stat like that, like separated from this, like in Peru, we were hiking to Machu Picchu.

01:35:17.000 Machu Picchu.

01:35:18.000 Me and O'Neill.

01:35:19.000 Oh, we got to talk about that. 0.99

01:35:20.000 And they're like, it's fucking pouring rain. 0.98

01:35:23.000 And everybody there, they're not liberal or conservative. 0.98

01:35:26.000 They just go, it's been raining earlier than it should be.

01:35:30.000 And they don't know about the word climate change.

01:35:32.000 They just know we're told November 1st is when you plant.

01:35:34.000 After that, you're in a risk.

01:35:36.000 Now, this is mid October, and I don't know what's up.

01:35:39.000 Well, there's going to be climate change whether human beings are here or not.

01:35:43.000 That's the reality of the Earth.

01:35:44.000 The Earth's temperature and climate has never been static.

01:35:49.000 And the real problem with climate change is not recognizing that human beings are having an adverse effect on the planet, because we certainly are in terms of pollution and particulate release. 0.92

01:35:59.000 People like Al Gore and a lot of these fucking greenies, they're profiting off of this concept of climate change and then also using it to clamp down on people's rights. 0.94

01:36:13.000 There's that too. 0.99

01:36:13.000 Like we talked about, people taking money from a good cause. 0.99

01:36:16.000 So it's like, for every good thing, they'll be like, somebody's going to misuse it.

01:36:20.000 100%.

01:36:21.000 So everything gets conflated.

01:36:22.000 But then it becomes a thing where, like, you know, when I had Bernie Sanders on the podcast, he was like talking about it.

01:36:28.000 And I said to him, I go, problem with climate change is not just.

01:36:31.000 That the climate is changing because it always has, but that people are having an effect on it because they definitely are.

01:36:37.000 But it's that there's a lot of money in this whole concept of climate change.

01:36:41.000 Fake recycling that was never done.

01:36:44.000 Fake ground landfills.

01:36:45.000 And then all landfills.

01:36:46.000 But it's better than nothing.

01:36:47.000 No, it's equal to nothing. 0.99

01:36:49.000 Well, it's not only that, but you fucking made people feel like they were doing good by throwing their fucking water bottles into the thing. 0.99

01:36:56.000 It's just, it's all kind of crazy, but. 1.00

01:36:59.000 We're gross. 0.98

01:37:00.000 People are gross. 0.99

01:37:00.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:37:01.000 But it was cool to see people's perspectives that were like away from political.

01:37:05.000 And just their observations about stuff.

01:37:07.000 They recognize that things change.

01:37:08.000 Yeah.

01:37:09.000 Like Sub Saharan Africa used to be lush greenlands.

01:37:12.000 I mean, they find whale bones in Sub Saharan Africa in the desert.

01:37:18.000 In the desert, they find whale skeletons in the desert way before there were cars.

01:37:24.000 Right.

01:37:25.000 Okay.

01:37:25.000 Way before there were plastic and power plants.

01:37:29.000 So the Earth's climate has never been static.

01:37:32.000 But the Machu Picchu thing is.

01:37:36.000 I really want to go there.

01:37:38.000 My friend Luke Caverns, he's been on the podcast before.

01:37:40.000 He's studied a ton of stuff.

01:37:42.000 Tom's been three times.

01:37:43.000 But as a kid, that's what I meant.

01:37:43.000 Has he really?

01:37:45.000 Oh, his family's friends.

01:37:46.000 Yeah, so they're like, yeah, it's a one hour flight from Lima and then just take the train.

01:37:50.000 But like, yeah, it's pretty wild.

01:37:54.000 So you're saying it wasn't even the Aztecs?

01:37:55.000 Is that what you told me?

01:37:56.000 Well, that's the Incas.

01:37:58.000 Incas, Incas, Incas.

01:37:59.000 Yeah, it wasn't.

01:38:01.000 They don't think it was.

01:38:01.000 They think the initial monolithic structures or megalithic structures were an earlier, previously unknown civilization.

01:38:10.000 Because the size and scope of their structures, the way they build it, and Graham Hancock has gone over this as well, is so much different than the stuff that's on top of it.

01:38:21.000 So, what happens is you have this old stuff that's enormous stones that are cut like jigsaws, right?

01:38:28.000 And almost like it's melted, like the way it looks.

01:38:31.000 You can't put a piece of paper through it after 200 years of breakdowns.

01:38:35.000 You see, it's way more than 200 years.

01:38:37.000 It's thousands of years.

01:38:38.000 But the thing that's really nutty about it is that design is because when they have earthquakes, That way, it won't fall off.

01:38:46.000 It disperses the energy better as opposed to just stacking stuff on top of each other.

01:38:46.000 Right?

01:38:50.000 That stuff falls. 1.00

01:38:51.000 But when it's all interlocked in these weird forms, like that shit. 0.99

01:38:55.000 That, yeah. 0.99

01:38:56.000 So Che Guevara talks about a little bit where he goes, So Cusco is the gem of South America.

01:39:01.000 It was the border of the Andes where people would come in and do trade and everything. 0.97

01:39:04.000 And you see this, and the Christians would come in, take over, and build facades on it and put a cross on top to be like, Look what we did. 0.99

01:39:12.000 We're more dominant than these people. 0.99

01:39:13.000 And then an earthquake could come, facade would fall, and this would just remain.

01:39:16.000 It just remains.

01:39:17.000 Over and over and over again.

01:39:18.000 Over and over again.

01:39:19.000 These aren't even squares.

01:39:20.000 Look at that.

01:39:21.000 It's like Tetris.

01:39:22.000 Yeah, it's so cool.

01:39:23.000 And that was on purpose.

01:39:25.000 They did that because that's what would survive. 1.00

01:39:28.000 But if you look at the stuff above it, that's the stuff that the Incas made. 0.98

01:39:31.000 So the Incas made this stuff. 0.96

01:39:33.000 It's all just stacked. 0.79

01:39:34.000 It's not as sophisticated and also not as large because they didn't have the technology. 0.84

01:39:38.000 Whatever the fuck these people had that was enabled. 0.75

01:39:40.000 Look how big that rock is. 0.99

01:39:41.000 It's huge.

01:39:43.000 I mean, hundreds and thousands of tons. 0.98

01:39:46.000 I mean, these things are fucking enormous. 1.00

01:39:48.000 The really crazy one is the Lebanon ones. 1.00

01:39:52.000 In Lebanon. 1.00

01:39:53.000 Wait, have you?

01:39:53.000 I've been there.

01:39:54.000 I'm Jordan.

01:39:55.000 Jordan, I'm talking about. 0.72

01:39:56.000 So, in Lebanon, they have these massive stones.

01:39:59.000 What are they called, Jamie? 0.80

01:40:00.000 The Trilithon stones?

01:40:03.000 So, there are these stones that are like more than a thousand tons, and they're like several meters above the ground, placed.

01:40:12.000 And then on top of them, you have these Roman structures.

01:40:15.000 Oh, right.

01:40:17.000 So, if you see like there, like that click where you had your cursor?

01:40:20.000 Yeah.

01:40:21.000 Look at the size of that guy.

01:40:22.000 Wow.

01:40:23.000 And look at the size of that stone.

01:40:25.000 And then you see the stuff on top of it is smaller.

01:40:28.000 It's not as sophisticated. 0.94

01:40:29.000 And then you had the Romans.

01:40:30.000 Now, the thing about the Romans is, Romans had meticulous record keeping.

01:40:35.000 And they talked about all the construction of all the different things they had.

01:40:37.000 They don't even mention those stones.

01:40:39.000 So, what's that?

01:40:39.000 They don't mention how they mean.

01:40:40.000 No, I don't think it was them.

01:40:42.000 I think it was a previous civilization. 1.00

01:40:43.000 Look at that fucking thing. 1.00

01:40:45.000 I'm about to. 1.00

01:40:45.000 Oh, bro. 1.00

01:40:46.000 You know Nazca lines? 0.66

01:40:47.000 Okay. 0.92

01:40:47.000 Yes. 0.92

01:40:48.000 Oh, yeah.

01:40:48.000 I saw them.

01:40:49.000 Oh, did you?

01:40:50.000 Yeah, I flew over them.

01:40:51.000 Bro, how weird is that?

01:40:52.000 They're so big.

01:40:54.000 The pictures won't do it justice because you'll see like a road.

01:40:56.000 They didn't know because from the ground level, you can't see any of it.

01:40:59.000 And so they just build these roads through the desert.

01:41:01.000 And so you can see a car sometimes, like so, for perspective.

01:41:05.000 And you're like, it's this dot on this giant monkey in the middle of the desert.

01:41:10.000 Right.

01:41:11.000 For however many hundreds of years.

01:41:13.000 Yeah, they don't even know how long. 0.98

01:41:14.000 They're crazy. 0.95

01:41:15.000 Weird. 0.92

01:41:16.000 And they're all like signals to something.

01:41:19.000 There's all these theories on what it is.

01:41:20.000 They're all in the sky.

01:41:21.000 You have to see them from above.

01:41:23.000 You can only see them from above.

01:41:24.000 That's nuts.

01:41:25.000 Pilots would go over there, and then somebody's like, what's that?

01:41:27.000 I go, oh, yeah, we don't know.

01:41:28.000 We just kind of go over.

01:41:29.000 Well, they've found a bunch of them now because of AI.

01:41:32.000 You know, they've like scanned the areas and found a bunch of previously undiscovered NASCA lines.

01:41:36.000 Wow.

01:41:36.000 Yeah.

01:41:37.000 And the weird thing about it is that's also the place where they find these people with elongated skulls.

01:41:42.000 They find like these weird skulls that have additional capacity.

01:41:46.000 So they have like 30% more capacity and they don't have the same lines in their skulls that we have.

01:41:51.000 Like when we're babies, you know, we have these, what are they called?

01:41:55.000 Sagittal.

01:41:56.000 I forget what the lines are called.

01:41:57.000 Sagittal crest.

01:41:58.000 These lines that we have in our skull.

01:42:00.000 You know, like your skull's not just one piece, right?

01:42:03.000 It's like there's a bunch of pieces in there.

01:42:04.000 The anchors, you can tie them off so they get longer as a sign of like.

01:42:07.000 Yeah, but some of these skulls don't.

01:42:09.000 Have the same structure as ours.

01:42:12.000 They're human skulls, but they're longer.

01:42:14.000 They have more capacity, 30% larger capacity, and they don't have those lines that we have.

01:42:23.000 So it's like, what was that?

01:42:25.000 Were there different kinds of humans back then?

01:42:30.000 Flying around? 0.99

01:42:32.000 Were they flying around and making these fucking structures? 0.99

01:42:35.000 Were they responsible for Soxehuaman and Machu Picchu and all these other places? 0.98

01:42:39.000 And they just died off, and all we have left is like some skulls that we can't totally explain.

01:42:44.000 We don't have the means to explain it yet.

01:42:45.000 Because if it was 20,000 years ago or 30,000 years ago or whatever it was that these people were ruling back then, what would be left? 0.98

01:42:53.000 Fucking nothing. 0.98

01:42:54.000 Nothing. 1.00

01:42:55.000 Very little.

01:42:56.000 I mean, you look at Ankar Wat where it's like, that's crazy.

01:42:59.000 Yeah, if you didn't see it, it's shocking any of it remained. 0.99

01:43:02.000 Yeah. 0.94

01:43:03.000 Well, Ankar Wat's crazy.

01:43:04.000 And how about that other one in India where the entire temple's carved out of one stone?

01:43:08.000 Or the one in Jordan.

01:43:10.000 Let's see. 1.00

01:43:13.000 Where's the fucking. 1.00

01:43:15.000 The Indiana Jones one. 1.00

01:43:15.000 What does those play? 1.00

01:43:17.000 What's that called?

01:43:17.000 Mm hmm.

01:43:18.000 That's where I went with my brother.

01:43:19.000 Yeah, what is that called?

01:43:22.000 See, what is it, Jimmy?

01:43:23.000 Petra.

01:43:24.000 It's nuts.

01:43:25.000 You come through this canyon and it's just in a mountain.

01:43:27.000 A giant three story temple that is just carved out of the mountain.

01:43:32.000 It wasn't added to.

01:43:34.000 Right.

01:43:34.000 And where's the stone?

01:43:35.000 Where'd you put the stones?

01:43:36.000 What'd you do?

01:43:37.000 That view coming out of the middle one, coming out of that cavern and seeing it after about an hour hike.

01:43:42.000 That's crazy.

01:43:44.000 You have to see a human.

01:43:45.000 See how small that person is in the middle?

01:43:46.000 That is so crazy.

01:43:48.000 So, like, what?

01:43:50.000 Right.

01:43:52.000 Have you ever heard of Darren Kuyu?

01:43:54.000 No.

01:43:55.000 In Turkey?

01:43:56.000 You want to hear this one?

01:43:56.000 This is crazy.

01:43:57.000 It's a place or a person?

01:43:58.000 It's a place.

01:43:59.000 So I think they found this because someone was doing like construction on a house.

01:44:07.000 Yeah.

01:44:07.000 And they found a path.

01:44:09.000 Oh, so this is what it was.

01:44:11.000 So a guy kept losing his chickens.

01:44:13.000 They would go through a hole and they would never come out. 0.99

01:44:17.000 So this guy was like, well, where the fuck are these chickens going? 0.98

01:44:19.000 So they broke down the wall to figure out where the chickens go. 0.99

01:44:22.000 And they found an underground city that can hold 20,000 people.

01:44:29.000 Turkey?

01:44:29.000 With many, many levels.

01:44:32.000 Like many levels deep into the ground.

01:44:32.000 Wow.

01:44:35.000 Wow. 1.00

01:44:36.000 It's fucking bananas. 0.99

01:44:37.000 It's cool. 1.00

01:44:38.000 You're a little bit.

01:44:39.000 Wow.

01:44:39.000 Yeah, it's an anthill.

01:44:41.000 I watched a documentary.

01:44:42.000 Wow.

01:44:44.000 Like, you see the way where you.

01:44:46.000 Could you please go back to that one image with the houses?

01:44:49.000 Yeah, like that.

01:44:50.000 Like, so this guy. 1.00

01:44:52.000 It was like behind a fucking wall in the house. 0.99

01:44:56.000 So these chickens would go into the hole and they would just disappear. 1.00

01:45:01.000 So it's like, where's my fucking chickens? 0.98

01:45:02.000 So the guy starts digging around to try to figure out where the chickens go and they found this. 0.99

01:45:06.000 And I want to say they found this in like the 20th century.

01:45:09.000 I think it was the 20s I just saw.

01:45:12.000 1920s?

01:45:13.000 Like 29, maybe?

01:45:14.000 Wow.

01:45:14.000 So they forgot about it?

01:45:16.000 Nobody knew about it.

01:45:17.000 Nobody knew who made it.

01:45:19.000 There was no record of it.

01:45:21.000 And it's so big.

01:45:23.000 It can house 20,000 people in there.

01:45:26.000 What was it?

01:45:27.000 No one knows.

01:45:28.000 No one knows when.

01:45:29.000 No one knows who.

01:45:31.000 No one knows nothing.

01:45:32.000 There's other ones they found in China. 0.98

01:45:34.000 They found this fucking insane one in China that also has no records. 0.98

01:45:39.000 It's enormous, like enormous caverns with giant columns. 0.99

01:45:44.000 It's all carved out of the stone.

01:45:47.000 They moved millions of tons of rocks out of there.

01:45:50.000 No record.

01:45:51.000 No one knows where the stone went.

01:45:53.000 I'm staying with the Lacondans, Mayans, whatever.

01:45:56.000 And we were on a hike, and there was this little, like, abandoned temple just the size of this room.

01:46:00.000 And so the guide was like, So now there's a tunnel in here to, like, the main temple.

01:46:04.000 It's about a mile and a half away.

01:46:05.000 And there's a tunnel where you can go through it.

01:46:07.000 It takes a couple hours to walk. 1.00

01:46:09.000 Fuck off. 1.00

01:46:09.000 And he goes, I did it with my brother once. 1.00

01:46:10.000 He goes, I'll never go back. 0.99

01:46:12.000 And there's fucking pumas around, and you don't know. 1.00

01:46:12.000 It's so frightening. 1.00

01:46:16.000 Pumas in the tunnel? 1.00

01:46:17.000 You're like, you can't see shit. 1.00

01:46:17.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:46:18.000 He goes, It's a bad place, but it's this long underground tunnel that was made however long ago. 1.00

01:46:23.000 What the fuck? 0.99

01:46:24.000 This is the one in China. 1.00

01:46:24.000 We have one of the caves. 1.00

01:46:25.000 So this is one of these caves in China.

01:46:27.000 By the way, no record.

01:46:29.000 No historical record of when it was created or who created it.

01:46:35.000 And this is another one that they found.

01:46:37.000 In 1992, they found it.

01:46:39.000 Four farmers and Long Yu found the caves and they drained the water from five small ponds in their village.

01:46:45.000 The ponds turned out to be five large man made caverns.

01:46:48.000 Further investigation revealed 19 more caverns nearby.

01:46:52.000 They've been determined to be more than 2,000 years old and their construction is not recorded in any historical documents.

01:46:58.000 Like, look how crazy.

01:47:00.000 Please show some of those images.

01:47:01.000 Yeah, it's the only one on this page. 0.97

01:47:03.000 Fucking bananas. 0.98

01:47:05.000 So they're just guessing that it's 2,000 years old. 1.00

01:47:07.000 Right, right.

01:47:07.000 They don't know.

01:47:08.000 Because there's no record.

01:47:08.000 They're just like, what's the story?

01:47:09.000 There's no record of it.

01:47:11.000 But it's bananas.

01:47:13.000 And they've also, those carvings they think are post.

01:47:16.000 Later people.

01:47:17.000 Yeah.

01:47:18.000 Post discovery.

01:47:19.000 That's their way of doing.

01:47:20.000 Yeah.

01:47:21.000 Because you see how, like, those lines on the walls?

01:47:24.000 That's how everything looks.

01:47:25.000 It's just those carved straight lines.

01:47:26.000 And it looks like the other stuff was, like, more modern that they carved.

01:47:30.000 You think those lines are so that the erosion wouldn't hurt it as much?

01:47:33.000 I don't know.

01:47:34.000 I mean, that might have been how they did it.

01:47:35.000 They might have had some sort of a device that they carved the stone out with.

01:47:39.000 But the thing is, it's like.

01:47:40.000 Where's this?

01:47:41.000 Where's this on a map?

01:47:42.000 Show me where Longue is on a map.

01:47:44.000 Yeah.

01:47:45.000 I want to visit a lot of China.

01:47:47.000 There's a lot of places in there that I'm like, don't know about. 0.99

01:47:50.000 China's a big ass place. 1.00

01:47:51.000 Back out, back out. 1.00

01:47:53.000 China's so big.

01:47:55.000 Longyu Caverns. 1.00

01:47:56.000 Keep going back.

01:47:58.000 Keep going back.

01:47:59.000 Context.

01:48:02.000 That's pretty deep in there.

01:48:02.000 Oh my God.

01:48:04.000 Good luck.

01:48:05.000 It's near Wuhan.

01:48:06.000 Look.

01:48:07.000 Take a train to Wuhan.

01:48:08.000 Catch a bug.

01:48:09.000 Yeah, go eat some armadillo.

01:48:11.000 Pangolin.

01:48:12.000 Pangolin.

01:48:13.000 That's how you got leprosy, eating armadillo and pangolin.

01:48:15.000 You're really not supposed to eat those things.

01:48:17.000 Go back to the images, please.

01:48:19.000 The images are nuts, man.

01:48:21.000 It's like, what were these people doing?

01:48:24.000 Like, why?

01:48:25.000 Who made this?

01:48:26.000 I love standing in a place like that and just like you just instantly get connected to the history of it.

01:48:31.000 Could you imagine it's 1992 and you're just draining a pond?

01:48:35.000 You're a farmer.

01:48:37.000 And then you drain the pond and you go, oh, there's a cave in here.

01:48:40.000 Open to find some nickels. 1.00

01:48:42.000 And you go and you see this shit. 1.00

01:48:44.000 And no one knows who made it. 0.99

01:48:46.000 And China, again, China has extensive historical records because China has existed for thousands.

01:48:52.000 Thousands and thousands of years.

01:48:53.000 It's one of the few countries that's essentially been just China for 5,000 plus years.

01:49:00.000 Bananas, man.

01:49:02.000 Aquarium for real dragons.

01:49:06.000 Somewhere.

01:49:09.000 Well, I mean, who made it and how did they make it?

01:49:12.000 Like, how did they do that?

01:49:13.000 For what?

01:49:14.000 For what purpose?

01:49:15.000 How did they make that 2,000 plus years?

01:49:18.000 And by saying 2,000, it's like you're just.

01:49:20.000 2,000 means.

01:49:22.000 So there's a Joan Didion piece on El Salvador.

01:49:27.000 From a long time ago.

01:49:28.000 And she goes, they don't use numbers the way we use numbers.

01:49:31.000 They say 50, it means a bunch.

01:49:33.000 Oh, look.

01:49:34.000 It's like 72 virgins.

01:49:35.000 Yeah, I mean, just a bunch.

01:49:36.000 There's a lot of them.

01:49:37.000 There's a lot of them.

01:49:37.000 Like, bro, he went there a million times.

01:49:40.000 Tons of, tons of, like, what is a ton?

01:49:42.000 Oh, bro, I smoke tons of joints.

01:49:44.000 Like, that's not possible.

01:49:44.000 Yeah.

01:49:45.000 Break it down.

01:49:46.000 So, Perplexity, our AI sponsor, says, no one knows for certain who created the Longue Caves.

01:49:50.000 Archaeologists agree they are man made and probably over 2,000 years old, but there's no record of their builders or patrons.

01:49:58.000 That's crazy, dude.

01:50:00.000 That is so crazy.

01:50:01.000 Oh, pottery and other finds inside date roughly to the late Qin or Western Han period around 200 BCE, suggesting they were excavated at or before that time.

01:50:12.000 But the thing is that pottery could have been someone who just left pottery later.

01:50:18.000 It's like if you leave behind a cell phone in Egypt and 5,000 years from now, people say, oh, well, this is an iPhone 16.

01:50:25.000 But that means it has to be at least that old. 0.64

01:50:25.000 This must be from. 0.64

01:50:27.000 Or older.

01:50:28.000 At least that old or older.

01:50:29.000 So it's at least 2,000 plus years old.

01:50:31.000 But how crazy is it that there's no known records? 0.92

01:50:35.000 Should go in quick and just bury some like shit from a long time ago, get some artifacts and just leave it in there. 0.99

01:50:40.000 How much shit like that is still out there in other parts of the world where they don't know about it? 0.99

01:50:45.000 Well, it's like no one's done that. 0.99

01:50:46.000 That Mayan guy said, he was like, Yeah, no one knows.

01:50:48.000 He goes, Me and my friends know about it. 1.00

01:50:50.000 Fuck. 1.00

01:50:51.000 So it's just like everywhere. 0.99

01:50:53.000 Well, we were talking about the Aztecs, about how the Aztecs, and this is another thing that I found out through Perplexity when I was just writing this thing about Mexico and about how crazy the history of Mexico is, and you know, that the Spaniards came over with essentially like 12 muskets and took over the whole country. 0.92

01:51:08.000 But When the Aztecs were living in these temples, they didn't build them. 0.57

01:51:15.000 They called them the place where the gods were born.

01:51:18.000 So they found them.

01:51:19.000 So there's a previous civilization like Teo Tetlan and all these other beautiful pyramids and temples. 0.98

01:51:28.000 They don't know who fucking made them, man. 0.87

01:51:30.000 So they don't know who made them. 0.99

01:51:32.000 That cave in Vietnam was found in 1991.

01:51:36.000 Oh, I saw the 60 Minutes thing on that.

01:51:38.000 Did you see that?

01:51:39.000 Look at that.

01:51:40.000 That dude from 60 Minutes, like a dude and a lady from 60 Minutes went and visited this cave. 0.99

01:51:44.000 And I was like, that looks haunted as fuck. 0.93

01:51:46.000 That's one cool thing about something like 60 Minutes that they would do something like that because it's a long journey. 0.99

01:51:53.000 Wow.

01:51:53.000 You have to fly in, drive a long distance, then hike a long distance.

01:51:57.000 Some of these places aren't anything, nothing's there.

01:51:59.000 You can fit skyscrapers inside of these caves.

01:52:02.000 They have their own ecosystems.

01:52:03.000 Like there's clouds in there. 0.99

01:52:05.000 It probably fucking rains inside the cave. 0.97

01:52:08.000 There's insects, there's animals that live in these caves that have over time lost their ability to see because they didn't need it. 0.98

01:52:14.000 So, their hearing goes up, their sight goes down.

01:52:16.000 There's bugs in Thailand and Sapong and places like that where it's like, oh, yeah, these animals only exist here.

01:52:22.000 They hear you breathe.

01:52:23.000 There's a salamander in Barton Creek Springs.

01:52:26.000 Yeah, a special salamander.

01:52:28.000 Really?

01:52:28.000 It only lives there?

01:52:29.000 It's a hippie salamander that got mixed with weird people swimming in the creek.

01:52:33.000 Yeah.

01:52:34.000 Oh, wow. 1.00

01:52:35.000 They survive on chicks with arm hair. 1.00

01:52:38.000 It's only able to survive here. 1.00

01:52:39.000 Hippie menstrual cycles. 0.89

01:52:41.000 Yeah, I was doing Bottom of the Barrel last night and somebody brought up that there's nude beaches at Lake Travis.

01:52:48.000 And I'm like, what is it like?

01:52:49.000 And they're like, Martin Springs.

01:52:50.000 No, no, no.

01:52:51.000 You know, when you take a, well, maybe, but yeah.

01:52:51.000 Martin's topless.

01:52:53.000 Is it? 1.00

01:52:53.000 When you take one of those boat rides out, chicks. 1.00

01:52:55.000 They show the.

01:52:56.000 Bro, it's nice.

01:52:57.000 Noise?

01:52:58.000 Yeah.

01:52:58.000 Noise?

01:52:59.000 It's nice. 1.00

01:52:59.000 Hippie tits? 1.00

01:53:00.000 Hippie. 1.00

01:53:00.000 Some of them are gross hippie tits, but some of them are like real tits, dude. 1.00

01:53:04.000 Real ones. 1.00

01:53:04.000 Influencers go there, too. 1.00

01:53:05.000 Oh, like girls who do too much ayahuasca and they wear wooden beads and they want their tits out? 0.98

01:53:10.000 Dude, so I was in Patagonia where I was like. 1.00

01:53:12.000 Hit me Hollow Park.

01:53:13.000 4.6 stars.

01:53:15.000 Not bad.

01:53:15.000 That's a lot.

01:53:16.000 I was asking people, it was a rafting thing, and I was like, who's the worst?

01:53:20.000 I always try to do this, especially at comedy clubs too.

01:53:22.000 Who's the worst person you've ever had here?

01:53:23.000 Right.

01:53:24.000 So there's like, which country, which people are the worst?

01:53:26.000 And they go, I don't know. 0.98

01:53:26.000 I'm like, listen, I'm from Jews, so you can, it's Jews, right? 0.98

01:53:29.000 And they go, I mean, they want freebies for sure. 1.00

01:53:31.000 But like, we're trying to get which country's worst.

01:53:34.000 And he goes, well, the worst overall, though, is influencers.

01:53:38.000 And they have no country, but they make everything about them.

01:53:41.000 They make you pause too long to take their shots.

01:53:43.000 They make you get out of their shot.

01:53:44.000 Oh, yeah.

01:53:45.000 We're all just trying to raft.

01:53:46.000 They think they're there for them.

01:53:47.000 Yeah.

01:53:48.000 Ugh.

01:53:49.000 One of the influencers got arrested in Korea.

01:53:49.000 Ugh.

01:53:52.000 Johnny Somali. 1.00

01:53:53.000 Do you know who that guy is?

01:53:55.000 He was in Korea and apparently they have some statue that is about, I think it's something about sex slavery or something like that. 0.99

01:54:06.000 So he was like kissing the statue and being rude to people and they just sentenced him to, he did a bunch of shit over there. 0.98

01:54:12.000 They sentenced him to six months of hard labor in Korea. 0.98

01:54:17.000 We need some of that here for influencers. 0.99

01:54:19.000 Quit doing fucking selfie talking on the wire walking. 1.00

01:54:23.000 You're not a black lady. 1.00

01:54:24.000 You don't get to talk to your phone. 1.00

01:54:27.000 Black ladies get to talk to their phone. 1.00

01:54:28.000 Oh, they love speakerphone. 1.00

01:54:30.000 I don't know.

01:54:30.000 Why do they do it like that?

01:54:31.000 It's black ladies. 1.00

01:54:32.000 Like, and it's like, why do you think they like that? 1.00

01:54:38.000 Why did they like it?

01:54:39.000 They want everyone to hear that conversation. 1.00

01:54:40.000 Maybe because their fucking nails will cut up their face if they bring it too close. 0.99

01:54:44.000 I'm sure there are possible reasons. 0.99

01:54:47.000 It is weird where certain cultures gravitate towards certain behavior and activities.

01:54:52.000 It's new racism.

01:54:53.000 It's fun because it's like, this isn't in the books.

01:54:55.000 This is a brand new observation.

01:54:58.000 Speakerphone is like, I remember being outside of Roscoe's Chicken and Waffles. 0.99

01:55:02.000 And saying, like, how come so many black guys are on speakerphone?

01:55:06.000 And people are like, that's racist.

01:55:07.000 I'm like, no, it's not.

01:55:07.000 No, it's an erase observation.

01:55:09.000 Observing.

01:55:10.000 I'm not mad at them.

01:55:11.000 Yeah, I don't care.

01:55:12.000 I don't care why.

01:55:13.000 Like, why is it worse that I hear both sides of the conversation versus one side?

01:55:17.000 Like, if someone's just talking on the phone, why is that less offensive than someone talking to a speakerphone?

01:55:23.000 You could observe. 1.00

01:55:24.000 Why do the Hasidic Jews always talk on flip phones all the time? 1.00

01:55:27.000 And you're like, there's something up. 1.00

01:55:28.000 Or what? 0.86

01:55:29.000 Yeah, there's some where it's like, why did the people used to ask me that when I would do QAs, when I was doing the Jew hour building it? 0.71

01:55:34.000 So they'd ask questions during a check drop. 0.84

01:55:36.000 So I'd be like, Ask questions and I'll build my material that way.

01:55:39.000 Oh, that's smart.

01:55:40.000 But one of them is like, why do they all wear matching clothes to daughters?

01:55:43.000 Or, like, if one's 10, one's 8, why do they wear matching stuff?

01:55:46.000 That's the only one I couldn't figure out until I finally figured it out.

01:55:49.000 It's two for one sales.

01:55:51.000 United threatens to kick off passengers who don't use headphones.

01:55:54.000 Yeah, good.

01:55:55.000 Oh, well, that's because people are, like, listening to, like, loud YouTube videos right next to them.

01:56:00.000 Bro, all over South America.

01:56:02.000 Oh, really?

01:56:03.000 Scroll Instagram videos loudly.

01:56:03.000 It is.

01:56:06.000 There's no even thought.

01:56:07.000 We were on an overnight bus once and there was a guy listening to, like, Best Hollywood screams.

01:56:14.000 And it was like, dude, we're sleeping.

01:56:16.000 Oh, God.

01:56:17.000 It's crazy.

01:56:18.000 And you want to be quiet, but they'll be like, why?

01:56:18.000 They just don't do it.

01:56:21.000 It's not part of our culture. 1.00

01:56:22.000 It's like the Dominican pool hall. 0.99

01:56:23.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:56:24.000 This is how we do it. 0.95

01:56:25.000 They're just used to the chaos.

01:56:27.000 It is weird that people get used to a certain amount of chaos.

01:56:32.000 And that's just normal.

01:56:33.000 New York is a normal track hammers.

01:56:35.000 Right.

01:56:35.000 Nothing.

01:56:36.000 Yeah, if you live in New York, you're totally accustomed to that.

01:56:38.000 Oh, that was what I wanted to send you, Jamie.

01:56:40.000 I don't know.

01:56:40.000 Maybe I did send it to you the other day about.

01:56:43.000 Where they figured out that there's a part of your brain that recognizes when birds aren't chirping.

01:56:48.000 Ooh.

01:56:49.000 And you kind of freak out.

01:56:51.000 There should be some background noise.

01:56:52.000 Right.

01:56:52.000 Well, if birds aren't chirping, it generally means that predators are nearby.

01:56:56.000 Oh.

01:56:57.000 I forgot.

01:57:00.000 Their brain is a circuit that doesn't know you live in a city.

01:57:03.000 Its only job is to monitor whether birds are still singing.

01:57:07.000 Right now, in this room, it's on.

01:57:08.000 The circuit predates primates.

01:57:10.000 Whoa.

01:57:11.000 Mammals have been using ambient soundscape continually as a predator detection system for roughly. 200 million years.

01:57:18.000 Birds stop singing when something larger moves through their territory.

01:57:22.000 For most of the mammalian history, the forest full of song meant that no large predator was nearby, and the cessation of sound was the warning.

01:57:30.000 Your nervous system never updated this software.

01:57:33.000 A loud quiet.

01:57:34.000 Something's up.

01:57:36.000 The Max Planck Institute tested the inverse in 2022 with 295 participants.

01:57:43.000 Six minutes of bird song dropped anxiety with a medium effect size.

01:57:48.000 Six minutes of traffic noise raised depression with the same.

01:57:52.000 The effect worked on subjects who lived in dense urban environments and had no regular contact with nature.

01:57:59.000 The brain still ran the check.

01:58:01.000 Listen, I'm a hippie.

01:58:03.000 I live in New York, and it's like I got to get to nature once in a while or I'll go crazy.

01:58:07.000 That's why we have to protect the parks.

01:58:08.000 That's why we have to protect the parks.

01:58:10.000 We have to.

01:58:11.000 Tomorrow.

01:58:12.000 Tomorrow we're protecting a park.

01:58:13.000 Tomorrow we are.

01:58:14.000 Yes.

01:58:15.000 It's back. 1.00

01:58:16.000 Fucking, this new guy. 0.99

01:58:17.000 Listen, I'm a one issue voter, I'm not a voter at all. 1.00

01:58:20.000 But if I was, yeah.

01:58:21.000 And it's this we saved another park, Elizabeth Street Gardens, classic old park. 0.67

01:58:26.000 And they go, no, the other guy was like, we got to tear this down for low income housing.

01:58:30.000 And then Lower East Side and the East Village, that's a community oriented place. 0.99

01:58:34.000 They take care of shit on their own. 1.00

01:58:36.000 Always have. 0.99

01:58:37.000 They made the park, it's a parks district because they were like, these buildings collapsed and they're just like, let's build it into parks.

01:58:43.000 And then the city, when it came back, they're like, let's take those back. 0.99

01:58:46.000 Like, no, no, no, fuck that. 1.00

01:58:47.000 We made these. 1.00

01:58:49.000 East River Park's massive, but Illustrated Gardens is tiny.

01:58:53.000 And the other guy, the black guy, whatever his name was, Eric Adams.

01:58:57.000 Eric Adams, he goes, I'm going to protect that park and I'm going to protect all the parks.

01:59:01.000 Parks got nicer.

01:59:02.000 They redid them all and they painted all the benches.

01:59:04.000 I like them.

01:59:07.000 And he goes, okay.

01:59:08.000 So this community goes, we will find you another place to build low income housing.

01:59:12.000 They had this whole platform and they go, we can do it on this block, down the street there and there.

01:59:12.000 And they did.

01:59:16.000 It's actually more houses than you were planning on building.

01:59:19.000 Okay. 0.99

01:59:20.000 And now this fucking new guy goes, no, we're going to raise that to the ground. 1.00

01:59:24.000 What? 0.99

01:59:25.000 And they're like, no, no, we did it.

01:59:26.000 We found another place.

01:59:27.000 I thought he was 40.

01:59:28.000 They keep trying to get him to just say you're going to protect it.

01:59:31.000 And he's pretty much like, I won't. 0.98

01:59:33.000 Elizabeth Street Gardens is fucking gone if I have my say. 0.98

01:59:33.000 I won't. 0.98

01:59:36.000 Really?

01:59:36.000 Yeah, and they're like, dude, come on.

01:59:38.000 You're supposed to be of the people.

01:59:40.000 Once again, single issue voter, I don't know about the rest.

01:59:43.000 You got to protect that park.

01:59:44.000 So, do you think that there's some sort of a financial interest?

01:59:49.000 Someone's always getting this.

01:59:51.000 Someone's always getting that.

01:59:52.000 Well, you would not think it would be him.

01:59:55.000 He's a democratic socialist.

01:59:57.000 There's a non capitalist reason why green spaces are important.

02:00:01.000 Yeah. 0.94

02:00:02.000 It doesn't bring in money. 0.98

02:00:03.000 They try to fuck up with this one. 0.99

02:00:05.000 They try to fuck this one up. 0.99

02:00:06.000 Zilker?

02:00:06.000 Yeah, with underground garages and stuff, and totally redoing it.

02:00:11.000 The people won, so it didn't happen.

02:00:13.000 But there is a thing that helps all of our level of life, level of growth.

02:00:18.000 Well, Central Park is a cheap idea.

02:00:20.000 It's great.

02:00:21.000 It would never change.

02:00:23.000 We were talking about this with Brian Simpson.

02:00:25.000 I was like, if I lived in New York City, if something happened and I had to do JRE from New York City, I would have to live near the park because I would have to have my dog.

02:00:33.000 I'm not going to get rid of my dog.

02:00:34.000 So I'd have to take him.

02:00:37.000 I just have to have a place.

02:00:39.000 Where I 100% were able to take, I'd have a routine where I'm taking him to the park every day.

02:00:44.000 Central Park rules.

02:00:45.000 And you see somebody playing saxophone, and you feel like you're in a Woody Allen movie.

02:00:48.000 Bro, Central Park's incredible.

02:00:50.000 It's so big, too.

02:00:51.000 When you stay in a hotel that looks over the park, you really get a sense of the scope, the size of it.

02:00:58.000 Fly over.

02:00:58.000 The scale of it is incredible.

02:01:00.000 And by the way, they would love to sell that off.

02:01:03.000 Oh, yeah.

02:01:04.000 And just start stacking it up, make it look like China, you know, like one of those big cities that they have over there.

02:01:09.000 And they have great spaces.

02:01:10.000 They are important to our way of life.

02:01:12.000 Yeah.

02:01:13.000 It's good for your dome, obviously. 1.00

02:01:15.000 It's good for the fucking mind. 1.00

02:01:16.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:01:17.000 It's healthy.

02:01:18.000 But even Central Park, it's like it's not as good as like real wilderness.

02:01:22.000 Central Park will buy me two days of sanity.

02:01:22.000 Real.

02:01:22.000 Yeah.

02:01:24.000 I got to get to the actual woods and then I get a week or two.

02:01:27.000 Central Park will balance you out.

02:01:28.000 Yeah.

02:01:29.000 It'll balance you out.

02:01:30.000 Like it's way better than no.

02:01:31.000 And it seems like people are cooler there.

02:01:34.000 Like every time I've been in Central Park, people seem like a little nicer.

02:01:37.000 Like if you run into people on Broadway, they don't seem as nice as people that you run into in Central Park. 0.99

02:01:43.000 It's not this fucking thing. 0.99

02:01:43.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:01:44.000 Yeah.

02:01:45.000 There's also that thing with, like, hey, no smoking in here.

02:01:47.000 Like, I'm really sorry.

02:01:48.000 And then you put it out and light it up as soon as you're gone.

02:01:50.000 But, like, you can't smoke in Central Park?

02:01:52.000 Nothing.

02:01:53.000 You do, but weed, but cigarettes, I get more mad at.

02:01:53.000 Really?

02:01:57.000 But also, like, yeah, if I got a cigar and I'm with a friend, I'm smoking.

02:02:00.000 Yeah.

02:02:01.000 Wow.

02:02:02.000 I could see how that would annoy people.

02:02:03.000 Sure, but also chill.

02:02:05.000 But you can walk down the street in New York and smoke a cigarette, right?

02:02:08.000 Or a joint, yeah.

02:02:09.000 Right. 1.00

02:02:10.000 Still weird to me when I see a black guy on a stoop rolling a joint and I'm like, what are you doing? 1.00

02:02:10.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:02:15.000 It's legal.

02:02:15.000 You're going to go to jail.

02:02:16.000 But it's right.

02:02:16.000 I know.

02:02:17.000 It's totally weird.

02:02:17.000 Well, now it's different.

02:02:19.000 Nationwide, because Trump just changed it to Schedule 3.

02:02:21.000 Again, this is something that Obama could have done, Biden could have done, Clinton could have done.

02:02:25.000 Trump could have done it.

02:02:26.000 Trump 1 could have done it.

02:02:27.000 Yeah, and now it's schedule three, which is still not good.

02:02:31.000 I mean, it should be just like alcohol, but at least it's getting close.

02:02:35.000 It's getting close.

02:02:36.000 Dude, I had moments out there of nature where you're in the middle of nowhere and you really do feel rejuvenated like that.

02:02:42.000 Oh, yeah.

02:02:42.000 Where you're not even, it's not even hiking culture.

02:02:45.000 So it's like you're not passing anyone for hours and hours and hours.

02:02:49.000 You're at peace.

02:02:50.000 You're just at peace.

02:02:51.000 And whatever that thing is that they've just discovered about birds, there's a similar thing that your body recognizes when you're actually in real nature.

02:03:00.000 It feels different.

02:03:01.000 There's no cell phone signal.

02:03:03.000 You know anything about grounding?

02:03:04.000 Yes.

02:03:06.000 What's your take on it?

02:03:07.000 Well, Huberman believes it's a real thing.

02:03:10.000 And so I always trust Huberman because he's very objective about all this stuff.

02:03:14.000 Electromagnetic waves coming off the ground that you need to get in touch with?

02:03:17.000 It does feel good.

02:03:18.000 When I take the dogs out in the yard and I walk around barefoot, it feels good.

02:03:22.000 I mean, I'm just judging it based on how it makes me feel.

02:03:25.000 It's like that word tree hugger got a bad rap, but it's like, it comes from like, touch that, they're in the ground, so you're connected to the ground. 0.95

02:03:31.000 Probably comes from people that were tripping balls. 0.98

02:03:33.000 Because if you're tripping balls, those trees hug you back. 0.99

02:03:33.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:03:35.000 I've been there, yeah.

02:03:37.000 Those trees hug you back.

02:03:37.000 They talk to you.

02:03:38.000 Light your face on them.

02:03:40.000 Hello, Ari.

02:03:41.000 You can feel the cells.

02:03:42.000 I'm an oak tree.

02:03:44.000 I've been here for 300 years.

02:03:47.000 I've been here before this was America.

02:03:52.000 Yeah, it's pretty wild.

02:03:53.000 When I go to the mountains, especially like the elk hunting mountains, because it's so hard to get there.

02:03:58.000 When you get there, there's no cell phone service.

02:04:00.000 And when you're up there, you feel different.

02:04:02.000 You just feel different.

02:04:03.000 You feel better.

02:04:04.000 You really do.

02:04:05.000 Dude, my brain was firing in a way that it hadn't.

02:04:05.000 You feel more relaxed.

02:04:08.000 Fired in so long. 0.99

02:04:10.000 It was just like all the shit holding you down, just like pulled off. 0.99

02:04:16.000 And after not very much time, it was like just thoughts, creative thoughts were just like pouring out of me. 0.98

02:04:24.000 So, in the six months you were gone, no social media, no social media.

02:04:30.000 I took YMH's on a piece of paper, a couple people from YMH's emails.

02:04:35.000 I got two months ahead on my ads and my podcast on You Be Tripping.

02:04:38.000 So, I'm like, you guys are set for two months.

02:04:40.000 You don't need me.

02:04:41.000 And then after.

02:04:42.000 So, did you record a bunch of episodes in advance?

02:04:45.000 A year or two.

02:04:46.000 That was awesome.

02:04:48.000 I did my work.

02:04:49.000 Oh, my God.

02:04:50.000 That's crazy.

02:04:51.000 They're all evergreen episodes.

02:04:51.000 Yeah.

02:04:53.000 How did you do that?

02:04:54.000 I, one, worked hard.

02:04:56.000 Two, loved hearing about travel.

02:04:58.000 I love it.

02:04:59.000 Right.

02:04:59.000 So, like, it wasn't much work for me to come in and be like, tell me about Cambodia.

02:05:03.000 Tell me about Thailand.

02:05:04.000 Tell me about Taiwan.

02:05:05.000 Tell me about, you know, Uruguay.

02:05:07.000 Well, that's how I feel about podcasting in general.

02:05:09.000 Yeah. 0.94

02:05:09.000 You'll have here or there, like this guy was sucked. 0.94

02:05:09.000 You like it. 0.94

02:05:11.000 I wish I should have stayed home.

02:05:12.000 But generally, like that's really interesting.

02:05:14.000 Yeah.

02:05:15.000 So I love it.

02:05:16.000 And I just got way ahead.

02:05:18.000 It's funny when I, like Danny Polishak, I put out an episode.

02:05:20.000 He goes, Did we do it like two years ago?

02:05:22.000 And I'm like, I wasn't time yet.

02:05:23.000 I don't know.

02:05:24.000 Or I'll save it for if a comic has a special.

02:05:24.000 Oh, wow.

02:05:26.000 Like, let's just record it now.

02:05:27.000 In nine months, you'll have a special.

02:05:28.000 I'll put it in there.

02:05:29.000 How many do you have banked?

02:05:30.000 Through July, still.

02:05:32.000 Whoa.

02:05:33.000 Yeah.

02:05:34.000 So how many did you do a week?

02:05:34.000 That's crazy.

02:05:36.000 Sometimes none.

02:05:38.000 Sometimes, sometimes like six or seven.

02:05:41.000 Oh, really?

02:05:41.000 I was very.

02:05:42.000 I was.

02:05:42.000 You'd be tripping, dude.

02:05:43.000 I see every mistake I made for the skeptic tank, and I was like, let's avoid that.

02:05:47.000 Like, what kind of mistakes are you making?

02:05:49.000 So, like, minimum of effort on my part technologically.

02:05:52.000 So, I, YMH is my Jamie.

02:05:54.000 Right, right.

02:05:55.000 Here's the footage.

02:05:55.000 Handle.

02:05:56.000 By the way, settle down because they're not. 0.99

02:05:59.000 This is the only, this is the GOAT.

02:05:59.000 They're my version of Jamie.

02:06:01.000 Well, I have 15 people doing one Jamie job.

02:06:03.000 That's the problem.

02:06:03.000 Yeah.

02:06:04.000 Yeah.

02:06:05.000 Like, when people talk about, like, who should I hire? 0.96

02:06:07.000 I'm like, I don't give a fuck. 0.98

02:06:08.000 I don't know what to tell you. 0.99

02:06:10.000 You need a guy on the spectrum.

02:06:11.000 But, yeah.

02:06:12.000 But I did that.

02:06:13.000 I just kept, sometimes I'd be like, do two a day for, Four straight days.

02:06:17.000 And any comic who goes, Hey, I'm sorry, I'm busy.

02:06:20.000 I'm like, Buddy, let's reschedule.

02:06:21.000 This isn't supposed to be stressful.

02:06:23.000 Right.

02:06:23.000 Let's do it when you have time.

02:06:24.000 There's no chill.

02:06:26.000 That's the way to do it.

02:06:26.000 No big deal.

02:06:28.000 And once you're ahead, you can afford a week with nothing.

02:06:30.000 And it wasn't like, I got to find someone.

02:06:31.000 We got to do this now.

02:06:32.000 That's out.

02:06:34.000 Yeah.

02:06:34.000 All the music choices I used to make.

02:06:34.000 That's out.

02:06:36.000 I'm like, that's a lot of work.

02:06:37.000 Yeah.

02:06:38.000 Well, the music thing is the problem is like, you get flagged now.

02:06:42.000 We used to be able to play music on YouTube all the time.

02:06:45.000 And now everything gets flagged.

02:06:47.000 You got to be real careful.

02:06:48.000 We used to play songs almost every episode.

02:06:50.000 Full song.

02:06:51.000 Yeah.

02:06:51.000 When there was nothing, when the show made zero money.

02:06:54.000 It was so wild west.

02:06:55.000 It was so fun.

02:06:56.000 You're actually making a fun thing, it was so outlaw.

02:06:58.000 Yeah.

02:06:59.000 It's a little more corporate now, which is sad, but also fine.

02:07:01.000 It helps people a lot more now. 0.98

02:07:03.000 But man, podcasting was just do whatever the fuck you want. 0.93

02:07:07.000 Well, we were at the early, early days. 0.94

02:07:10.000 Like when I started this thing, it was 2009.

02:07:14.000 It's almost 20 years old, which is so nuts.

02:07:18.000 Have you figured out a way to monetize it yet?

02:07:19.000 Not yet.

02:07:20.000 I'm working on it. 0.99

02:07:21.000 I think I'm going to sell rubber pussies. 0.99

02:07:24.000 You were for a bit. 0.99

02:07:25.000 You were for a bit.

02:07:26.000 That was my first time.

02:07:28.000 Only sponsor.

02:07:29.000 We're good.

02:07:29.000 I don't need another one.

02:07:30.000 It was funny because Sam Harris was like one of his.

02:07:33.000 His requests when he first did my podcast. 1.00

02:07:35.000 Please don't mention pussy's. 1.00

02:07:36.000 He wouldn't let me do an ad for the fleshlight. 1.00

02:07:39.000 I said, okay, okay, it doesn't matter.

02:07:42.000 Like, it's not like it's paying a lot of money.

02:07:44.000 It was just fun more than anything.

02:07:46.000 Yeah, but so I would wait.

02:07:47.000 So after two months, I'd go, hey, I need the next months of ads.

02:07:52.000 And I would say one day, I would just do all the ads on the bumpers.

02:07:54.000 Like, this guy's got a new special.

02:07:56.000 Here's his tour dates.

02:07:57.000 I'd find a waterfall or something and I would do it in a fun place.

02:08:01.000 Yeah, I was just like, let's do it fun.

02:08:01.000 Oh, wow.

02:08:02.000 If I'm going to do remote, let's be remote.

02:08:04.000 Yeah.

02:08:05.000 How did you do it?

02:08:06.000 Do you do it video as well?

02:08:07.000 Yeah, iPhone.

02:08:09.000 Jamie told me this a long time.

02:08:10.000 My first trip to Southeast Asia, I was like, hey, I need a pocket camera.

02:08:14.000 Like, what's the best one?

02:08:15.000 And he was like, bro, you're not going to want to hear this.

02:08:16.000 It's the iPhone.

02:08:17.000 It's the best one.

02:08:17.000 Yeah.

02:08:18.000 Or a Galaxy.

02:08:19.000 Like any modern cell phone.

02:08:21.000 This is 2017, but yeah. 0.98

02:08:22.000 Any modern cell phone, the video is fucking incredible. 0.99

02:08:28.000 And all you do is you set it up on a little tripod and it'll go for fucking hours. 0.98

02:08:33.000 Yeah, so I'll put it on a tree far away.

02:08:35.000 I did one for a Danny Brown episode in like, Sucre, Bolivia, in front of the statue of Sucre.

02:08:42.000 You guys were in Bolivia?

02:08:42.000 Oh, wow.

02:08:44.000 That was everywhere.

02:08:45.000 Wow.

02:08:46.000 Dude, I saw an inauguration for the first president they had in 20 years.

02:08:49.000 Where?

02:08:50.000 In Sucre, in Bolivia.

02:08:51.000 Whoa.

02:08:52.000 They had the old guy who was running things for 20 years.

02:08:55.000 Okay. 0.84

02:08:56.000 A crazy dude that everyone hated. 0.58

02:08:59.000 He said farming is more important than industry here.

02:09:03.000 So we should give the farmers two votes per person.

02:09:07.000 And the cities get one.

02:09:09.000 Now, they also run the media there.

02:09:11.000 So, everyone in the farmlands, in the heartland, they didn't see any of the problems.

02:09:16.000 Right.

02:09:17.000 So they go, I don't know. 1.00

02:09:17.000 City shit. 1.00

02:09:18.000 Everything on the radio says the guy's doing a great job. 1.00

02:09:20.000 Let's vote him in again.

02:09:21.000 He's doing great.

02:09:22.000 I listen to the radio.

02:09:23.000 The guy's doing a great job.

02:09:24.000 And everyone in the city's like, no, no.

02:09:26.000 He's lying. 1.00

02:09:30.000 So everything went to shit. 1.00

02:09:32.000 20 years. 1.00

02:09:33.000 Like, well, let's turn on the radio again.

02:09:34.000 Let's turn on like Trump news and see what Trump is saying about Trump.

02:09:39.000 It's going to be pretty good.

02:09:40.000 Right.

02:09:41.000 Oh, yeah.

02:09:42.000 There I am.

02:09:43.000 That's the video.

02:09:43.000 Is this the video?

02:09:45.000 Oh, wow.

02:09:46.000 I pretend to be talking to my cell phone because it was so embarrassing.

02:09:48.000 Wow.

02:09:48.000 So I pretend to be talking to my phone, but I just have a cordless mic.

02:09:52.000 Is Danny still sober?

02:09:54.000 I think he's back on Wii, but, like, yeah, he's off the phone.

02:09:57.000 The alcohol was the issue.

02:09:59.000 Last time we did a podcast, he got obliterated.

02:09:59.000 Yeah.

02:10:02.000 He's sober.

02:10:03.000 Nice.

02:10:03.000 Yeah.

02:10:04.000 He's doing great.

02:10:04.000 Good for him.

02:10:05.000 Bolivia, is there, like, it was always Bolivian marching powder.

02:10:09.000 It was what, when I was a kid, people would call cocaine.

02:10:11.000 Interesting.

02:10:13.000 The salt flats were really cool there.

02:10:14.000 Yeah.

02:10:15.000 Just like miles and miles of salt fields.

02:10:18.000 Oh, there's me and O'Neill in Peru. 1.00

02:10:20.000 Look at you guys with your stupid hats on. 0.99

02:10:23.000 Yeah, I was just trying to find weird spots and, like, I don't know, let's just film something. 1.00

02:10:28.000 Why were you wearing those hats?

02:10:29.000 Where's Peru?

02:10:30.000 Those are the alpaca hats that keep you warm.

02:10:32.000 Oh, I went hunting my first time hunting.

02:10:34.000 I wore those hats.

02:10:35.000 They're great.

02:10:36.000 And Steve Ranella was saying that's a very left wing hat.

02:10:39.000 I'm like, why?

02:10:40.000 Why is it left wing?

02:10:41.000 It's warm.

02:10:42.000 Yeah, what?

02:10:42.000 So I don't know about your hat.

02:10:43.000 I'm like, what's wrong with your hat?

02:10:44.000 Leave it alone. 0.99

02:10:45.000 I'm about to kill something. 1.00

02:10:46.000 I'm about to murder something. 0.99

02:10:46.000 Steve, chill. 0.99

02:10:47.000 I killed that deer with my left wing hat on.

02:10:51.000 But that's all I would do.

02:10:52.000 I would just weigh in once in a while, get my left wing hat on.

02:10:55.000 But that's all I would do.

02:10:57.000 My brain was so alive.

02:11:01.000 I would just like, you just don't realize what you're dealing with responsibility wise all the time.

02:11:06.000 And then when you have none, it's like you could just kind of be yourself.

02:11:10.000 I came up with this whole storytelling shows out.

02:11:13.000 I came up with this whole, like, how to frame it all, how to do everything.

02:11:16.000 I had a vision of, like, this prologue that I want to bridge the gap.

02:11:21.000 It's called The End.

02:11:21.000 It's out now.

02:11:22.000 And this is.

02:11:24.000 And then did you film all that with your mom's house studios as well?

02:11:27.000 Yeah.

02:11:28.000 Yeah, nice.

02:11:29.000 They might be the only group like that that's actually good.

02:11:29.000 Yeah.

02:11:33.000 Tom was like, How much do you have?

02:11:34.000 I'm like, I have about 80% of it.

02:11:36.000 He goes, I'll put in the rest.

02:11:37.000 I'll supply all the people you need to make it happen.

02:11:42.000 And then he's not a network. 1.00

02:11:44.000 He's Segura and he's a fucking dirtbag. 1.00

02:11:46.000 So he's like, Say whatever you want. 1.00

02:11:48.000 There's no censoring when Segura, you know?

02:11:50.000 Well, it's also like, Tom has made so much money that he's out.

02:11:53.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

02:11:54.000 He'll do whatever the fuck he wants. 0.99

02:11:55.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:11:55.000 You can't stop him. 0.99

02:11:56.000 He's going to do whatever he wants now.

02:11:58.000 Yeah.

02:11:59.000 Oh, nice.

02:11:59.000 Look at all these episodes Miss Pat, the Stefano.

02:12:02.000 Look at that.

02:12:04.000 Duncan did a great one.

02:12:05.000 Nice.

02:12:06.000 Bobby Shane.

02:12:07.000 Shane, Bobby Kelly.

02:12:09.000 Big J.

02:12:10.000 Yeah, we made the show again.

02:12:11.000 Nick Bargazzi.

02:12:12.000 And then there's prologues.

02:12:13.000 It's something I had a vision of this on that mushroom trip.

02:12:16.000 Oh, wow.

02:12:18.000 About how to frame what happened to this not happening and what is this thing now and how to go through it.

02:12:23.000 And then I talked to a bunch of artists while I was gone and some made pictures.

02:12:27.000 And this guy, William Child, he actually did a Danny Brown video. 0.97

02:12:30.000 He's just, shit, I don't want to ruin this. 0.66

02:12:32.000 Where'd you film these? 0.99

02:12:34.000 The Box in New York City, place where Chappelle would have his. 0.98

02:12:37.000 Comedian balls. 1.00

02:12:37.000 You just get that gay outfit. 1.00

02:12:40.000 The gay outfit, Joe, is from. 0.96

02:12:42.000 Do you remember a show called This Is Not Happening? 1.00

02:12:44.000 Yes.

02:12:44.000 I did.

02:12:45.000 I'm completely legally unrelated to this new show.

02:12:47.000 You can say whatever you want, but I cannot.

02:12:49.000 But that was a comedian telling stories in a strip club.

02:12:54.000 This is a strip club with a comedian telling stories.

02:13:00.000 The first year, they go, hey, you got to wear the same outfit every day.

02:13:04.000 And I go, no, that's fake.

02:13:05.000 They go, no, but we got to mix and match days, so we got to do it.

02:13:08.000 Oh, why?

02:13:09.000 Is anybody going to.

02:13:10.000 Tune out because they see it.

02:13:11.000 No, it'll be like, it's weird, or suddenly you're hosting a different thing.

02:13:13.000 So I'd start wearing ridiculous suits I made in Hong Kong.

02:13:16.000 You know?

02:13:17.000 And then my final year, I had this Indian outfit picked out that I went and sourced in LA and had this cool Indian outfit.

02:13:25.000 All right, now it's cool. 0.62

02:13:26.000 I thought it was gay. 0.98

02:13:27.000 And I saved it for seven or eight years. 0.95

02:13:29.000 When that show got taken away from me, I was like, I'm saved. 0.98

02:13:32.000 If I ever do this again, I'm wearing this fucking outfit out of respect to overcoming. 0.94

02:13:38.000 Those days were very fascinating. 0.98

02:13:40.000 The days where.

02:13:41.000 Comedy Central is trying to force you into doing a Comedy Central special, but you had a deal with Netflix. 0.88

02:13:47.000 And even though it was completely legal and contractually legal for you to do a comedy special with Netflix, Comedy Central was strong arming you into doing it on Comedy Central and canceled your fucking show because you wouldn't do a special with them.

02:14:03.000 So you had a successful show on Comedy Central. 0.94

02:14:05.000 People want to know how gross Hollywood can get?

02:14:07.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:14:08.000 Ari had a successful show that was doing very well on Comedy Central.

02:14:13.000 And they canceled it because he wouldn't do a comedy special.

02:14:18.000 Because I made it.

02:14:19.000 It was one of the early ones, paid for my own special.

02:14:21.000 Uh huh.

02:14:21.000 And then it said, I got to figure out where it's going.

02:14:23.000 And they go, it should be here.

02:14:24.000 And I go, no, no, I don't think it should.

02:14:29.000 It's also, it was a double special.

02:14:30.000 And it was like, it needs to be on a streamer more than a network.

02:14:35.000 And then I was like, no, I'm going to Netflix.

02:14:36.000 And yeah, and then they were like, let's go blackmail then.

02:14:38.000 It's crazy.

02:14:39.000 I get it from their perspective.

02:14:40.000 No, I don't.

02:14:41.000 They're like, hey, we can't be losing power.

02:14:43.000 And they never really, they always thought it was an open mic.

02:14:45.000 But it was not losing power because the reality is that would just bring more people to the comedy century.

02:14:51.000 And Netflix back then, Was so much bigger to do a special when I did that 2017 special on Netflix.

02:14:57.000 I was the mayor of New York for like three weeks.

02:15:00.000 Everywhere I go, I might bike at a red light, three people would recognize you.

02:15:03.000 It was a different time for specials then, and of course, that was the biggest thing.

02:15:07.000 I'm gonna do that, yeah.

02:15:08.000 Well, it's still pretty big. 1.00

02:15:10.000 Netflix is still pretty big, but not Jew specials. 1.00

02:15:13.000 They picked it up.

02:15:13.000 Oh, that's right, they picked up Jew, yeah, it's on Netflix right now.

02:15:15.000 Nice, but yeah, and so people ask me with this show, like, why didn't you go to Netflix?

02:15:20.000 Or like, I'm like, dude, networks killed me.

02:15:24.000 Not only that.

02:15:25.000 Yeah, I don't want to.

02:15:25.000 I don't want to.

02:15:26.000 I'd rather just go straight to the people on this one.

02:15:28.000 Why do it?

02:15:28.000 It's like there's no reason to at this point.

02:15:31.000 Especially like Comedy Central doesn't even exist anymore.

02:15:33.000 It doesn't exist.

02:15:33.000 That's what's nuts.

02:15:35.000 It was a wild time.

02:15:36.000 You said you would host for free.

02:15:38.000 Yeah.

02:15:38.000 I was on the phone with you crying.

02:15:40.000 I was like hearing it that they're taking away the influence.

02:15:42.000 Tell them I will host it for free because you were going to take out a loan to pay off all the crew because all the crew had signed on for X amount of episodes and it was going to cost them money.

02:15:54.000 And you were like, I'm trying to figure out a way to keep us on the air.

02:15:56.000 I go.

02:15:57.000 Tell Comedy Central I will host it for free.

02:15:59.000 You were already, it was 2017.

02:16:03.000 This podcast was already going.

02:16:04.000 Oh, yeah.

02:16:04.000 It was huge by then.

02:16:05.000 Yeah.

02:16:05.000 But it was number one in 2019 when it started being number one.

02:16:10.000 But it was probably top four.

02:16:13.000 You had pedigree on the show.

02:16:15.000 You'd done two stories one you liked, one you hated.

02:16:18.000 But the one you liked was a great story.

02:16:20.000 That's a great story.

02:16:22.000 Yeah.

02:16:22.000 Doltham, Alabama.

02:16:24.000 And I was like, oh, he's part of the show.

02:16:26.000 This kind of goes.

02:16:27.000 If someone's got to do it, let's, and he'll do it.

02:16:29.000 For free, you're saving money and getting a much bigger host. 1.00

02:16:32.000 They just wanted to fuck you. 1.00

02:16:33.000 They just wanted to fuck you. 1.00

02:16:34.000 Anyone I suggested, they said no. 1.00

02:16:36.000 I said Ali Sadiq should do it.

02:16:38.000 They said no.

02:16:39.000 Yeah, of course they said no.

02:16:39.000 At least they went with Roy.

02:16:41.000 Roy was really good.

02:16:42.000 Roy's great.

02:16:43.000 But it only lasted like a little bit.

02:16:45.000 It was over after that. 0.99

02:16:46.000 But that show could have gone on a long fucking time. 0.97

02:16:50.000 It was such a great idea. 0.99

02:16:52.000 It was great execution.

02:16:53.000 It was fun to do.

02:16:54.000 It was real.

02:16:54.000 I really enjoyed it.

02:16:55.000 In a moment where alt comedy and the ironic distance was getting bigger, this was a more real thing.

02:17:01.000 Yeah.

02:17:01.000 And people responded to it.

02:17:03.000 But it just shows you the grossness of the business sometimes when these people who are just gatekeeping executives have to.

02:17:03.000 And listen.

02:17:10.000 Gatekeeping.

02:17:11.000 They're really saying, oh, you're not on the list.

02:17:13.000 Yeah.

02:17:14.000 And they don't exist anymore.

02:17:16.000 That's what's most amazing.

02:17:17.000 Well, that's the cool thing.

02:17:17.000 You can go to Tom, you can go to a guy like that or whatever.

02:17:20.000 And he goes, no, I love the show.

02:17:22.000 It made me bigger.

02:17:23.000 Let's get it going again.

02:17:25.000 Yeah.

02:17:27.000 And it's also like nine years later, the internet has completely taken over.

02:17:32.000 Like it has drowned out all of those comedy networks.

02:17:36.000 They don't exist anymore.

02:17:40.000 Yeah, you need some level of curation, although you're lost in a sea of content sometimes, but there's people you can trust.

02:17:48.000 You know, if you want meditation, that guy, Sam Harris, is that the meditation guy?

02:17:51.000 You know, whatever he's going to say, you're probably going to believe it meditation wise.

02:17:55.000 You know, if you need some, to hear an MMA fighter like really speaking, this is a great source for that, this podcast.

02:18:04.000 She needs some curator, but I mean, like, I'm the guy, I'm that for this show.

02:18:09.000 I'll make it quality, I'll make it look right.

02:18:11.000 You can always trust me to do that.

02:18:13.000 So come to me for that show was the coolest stand up show of all time.

02:18:17.000 It was a fun show.

02:18:18.000 It was a really good show.

02:18:19.000 And it was a show that I remember you created from scratch.

02:18:21.000 I remember when you were doing it at the lab, at the improv, that tiny little room.

02:18:25.000 You were doing it for free.

02:18:26.000 And I was like, what are you doing?

02:18:28.000 Basically, the same way that you were talking to me about my podcast.

02:18:31.000 Like, what are you doing?

02:18:32.000 That's what you were saying.

02:18:34.000 What are you doing, dude? 1.00

02:18:35.000 A fucking show for 20 people? 1.00

02:18:37.000 I'm like, Ari's telling stories. 1.00

02:18:37.000 I'm like, this is so weird. 1.00

02:18:38.000 But I thought about it.

02:18:39.000 I was like, it's probably a good idea to develop material that way.

02:18:42.000 Yeah.

02:18:42.000 Oh, yeah.

02:18:43.000 No, a lot of people was like, hey, we're doing a show.

02:18:45.000 It's about heartbreak this week or this month or it's about drugs, whatever.

02:18:48.000 And they go, all right, let me.

02:18:50.000 Let me, I have a story.

02:18:50.000 Let me get all my thoughts down, you know, all the metaphors and stuff, the stuff flowery stuff you put on them that Jay's so good at and stuff.

02:18:59.000 But like, then they became a lot of people.

02:19:01.000 It's like, that's my closer and my special now.

02:19:03.000 I had no bit.

02:19:04.000 I thought of it because of this.

02:19:05.000 It became, you know, the biggest thing I had in my act.

02:19:08.000 Yeah, nuts.

02:19:09.000 It's nuts.

02:19:09.000 Yeah.

02:19:10.000 Because I love giving people an excuse to like write something.

02:19:13.000 It was also such a fun show because it was comedy outside of like regular stand up, it was like another avenue.

02:19:20.000 And, And it was a really fun thing to do.

02:19:24.000 You know, and the thing about like the gatekeeping of it is like those people had nothing to do with it and they had all the power.

02:19:31.000 They had all the power.

02:19:33.000 And by just exercising it in that way and then everybody talking about how gross it was, nobody ever trusted them again.

02:19:40.000 And the thing is, some of the stuff they do though, like we need some diversity.

02:19:43.000 And it'd be like, I don't think you're wrong.

02:19:46.000 I think you don't want it to be all the same thing.

02:19:48.000 But there's something me and Eric Abrams came up with it's a diversity of experience.

02:19:52.000 Is bigger.

02:19:52.000 Yeah.

02:19:53.000 Two white dudes is not what we're talking about.

02:19:55.000 If it's like Ali Sadiq's life, closer to Gary Owens' life than mine.

02:20:00.000 Gary Owens and Ali are closer to each other than me or Gary.

02:20:05.000 Right, right, right.

02:20:05.000 So that's what I want, different, whatever.

02:20:07.000 And they have these checklists you would go to in LA. 1.00

02:20:09.000 Here are the gays, get one of these seven. 1.00

02:20:12.000 Here are the black and white. 1.00

02:20:13.000 And it was like, well, I'm not going to fuck up my product.

02:20:16.000 No way.

02:20:17.000 At the end of the day, it has to be a meritocracy.

02:20:20.000 So then we would just work harder, which a lot of people aren't willing to do.

02:20:23.000 And it's like, well, there's a great black woman in Indianapolis.

02:20:27.000 She's not in LA or New York, but let's get her.

02:20:30.000 She has great stories.

02:20:31.000 Right.

02:20:31.000 Miss Pat.

02:20:32.000 There's a great black comic in Houston, and he has these great stories about prison.

02:20:36.000 Let's get him. 1.00

02:20:37.000 Oh, Sadiq.

02:20:38.000 They're not on these lists. 1.00

02:20:39.000 You just got to work a little harder to make your shit. 1.00

02:20:39.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:20:43.000 You know, it's like Seinfeld letting everybody else shine.

02:20:45.000 Right.

02:20:46.000 But it's like forced diversity without the merit, without good quality comedy.

02:20:52.000 Yeah.

02:20:53.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:20:54.000 But it's just gatekeepers fuck themselves, really, because now that we don't need them anymore, like, they. 1.00

02:21:00.000 What do those people do? 0.99

02:21:02.000 Like all those people that were running Comedy Central, what do they do now?

02:21:04.000 There's no jobs.

02:21:05.000 Well, the thing is with like cabs overstepping that made Uber possible.

02:21:10.000 Yeah.

02:21:11.000 So let's focus on the positive of this. 0.51

02:21:13.000 And then the Uber people kept robbing and murdering people.

02:21:15.000 Yep.

02:21:15.000 So they just got Waymo's.

02:21:17.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:21:18.000 They'll be gone too.

02:21:19.000 Yep.

02:21:19.000 Take advantage.

02:21:20.000 Yep.

02:21:22.000 How many Coke addicts do you need driving?

02:21:24.000 You're like, bro, that's a red light.

02:21:25.000 Please stop. 0.98

02:21:26.000 I mean, they barely fucking vet those people. 0.99

02:21:29.000 But the cool thing is, because it's easier to film and because I have friends that are fucking. 0.99

02:21:29.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:21:34.000 Billionaires, you know, it's like we can actually get it done now.

02:21:38.000 It's a golden age for this.

02:21:40.000 It is.

02:21:41.000 To be able to make a TV show level thing on our own. 0.98

02:21:46.000 Well, look at even movies like Theo and David Spade made a fucking movie on their own. 0.95

02:21:50.000 They self financed it and it's doing well. 0.98

02:21:52.000 They go, we know how much it's going to cost.

02:21:53.000 We'll do it.

02:21:54.000 We're rich.

02:21:55.000 It's incredible.

02:21:56.000 It's a cool time.

02:21:57.000 I mean, we made our budget back day one.

02:21:59.000 That's awesome.

02:22:00.000 On a massive project, flying in 23 comics, you know, putting them all up, paying them all.

02:22:05.000 That's amazing.

02:22:06.000 They're cutting in on the shares.

02:22:07.000 We've never done that before.

02:22:08.000 So, are you going to do that in the next season as well?

02:22:11.000 I don't know if it's going to be a next season.

02:22:13.000 A lot of this was just to, there was a hole in my resume where the show didn't end on the terms it should have ended on.

02:22:21.000 And that's why it's called The End?

02:22:23.000 Yeah.

02:22:24.000 Yeah.

02:22:24.000 It's a play on words for story titles, too, you know, like The End.

02:22:24.000 Ah.

02:22:27.000 But like, I like that.

02:22:29.000 So I just had to get it done right.

02:22:31.000 Nice.

02:22:32.000 Nice.

02:22:32.000 And then all these huge comps, like Shane Gillis, who when he was an open micer was like, all these guys, like, I want to eventually do that show.

02:22:40.000 And the show went away.

02:22:40.000 Yeah.

02:22:41.000 And in the interim, he's like, Supplanting the Philadelphia 76ers so he could do comedy, you know?

02:22:47.000 But he's like, I'd love to do that show.

02:22:49.000 Dude, I have four people take private jets to come to the show.

02:22:53.000 That's amazing.

02:22:54.000 Yeah.

02:22:54.000 That's amazing.

02:22:56.000 It was, I'm so happy with it. 1.00

02:22:56.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

02:22:59.000 It came out right. 1.00

02:23:00.000 Everyone who's seen it is like, oh, this is like not just something you did.

02:23:03.000 This is like a TV show.

02:23:06.000 Yeah.

02:23:06.000 It's like, I'm so happy.

02:23:08.000 Yeah.

02:23:08.000 That's awesome.

02:23:09.000 I love it.

02:23:10.000 I'm so happy to hear that, dude.

02:23:12.000 And that's great.

02:23:12.000 That prologue that that guy did.

02:23:14.000 You should.

02:23:15.000 I'll send you a $2 off.

02:23:18.000 I'll just pay.

02:23:23.000 Yeah, we said we had to figure out a way.

02:23:24.000 Me and O'Neill and Abrams, we all like writing it.

02:23:27.000 We're like, I have to figure out a way to bridge the gap of this not happening to the end and what happened and everything without being too woe is me. 0.98

02:23:35.000 And so we got this claymation guy who was like, Yeah, let's just fill it with fucking punchlines. 0.82

02:23:41.000 So it doesn't become that like, I love Schultz, but a little like, they couldn't keep us down. 0.97

02:23:45.000 I'm like, I don't want to do any of that.

02:23:46.000 I don't want to be earnest.

02:23:47.000 Right.

02:23:48.000 So let's bridge the gap without ever being serious.

02:23:51.000 Oh, nice.

02:23:52.000 Yeah.

02:23:53.000 So it was like a three minute prologue you get for free.

02:23:57.000 Yeah.

02:23:58.000 Yeah.

02:24:00.000 That's William Child.

02:24:01.000 That's Tim Key's video.

02:24:03.000 Oh, wow.

02:24:04.000 How did they do that?

02:24:05.000 Did they use real claymation?

02:24:06.000 Oh, yeah, dude.

02:24:07.000 In a time of AI where everyone's doing the easy stuff, he is painstakingly, it takes him a day to build each one of those characters.

02:24:13.000 That's three day work.

02:24:15.000 And then the backdrop takes another day or two.

02:24:16.000 And how long does it take to actually do the animation?

02:24:19.000 A long time.

02:24:20.000 So if you have notes, you're like, Dude, I need those notes before I start filming.

02:24:20.000 All day long.

02:24:24.000 This is click, move, click, move, click, move. 0.72

02:24:27.000 You gotta go back and erase the stuff that, you know, the wires and shit too. 0.51

02:24:32.000 Are they wires or just moving the clay?

02:24:33.000 It has to be held up because the clay would fall.

02:24:36.000 Right, right, right.

02:24:36.000 Well, there's wires in the arms.

02:24:38.000 Yeah.

02:24:39.000 Yeah.

02:24:39.000 I mean, you don't necessarily have to have wires like to make it stand.

02:24:44.000 What is going on with his tits? 1.00

02:24:45.000 Well, you know, it's music videos. 1.00

02:24:46.000 What's in that bowl?

02:24:48.000 Ew.

02:24:48.000 He's making a.

02:24:49.000 It looks like a turd.

02:24:50.000 Yeah, I didn't get locked into that.

02:24:53.000 He did a trippy red video that's really good.

02:24:55.000 That's awesome, dude.

02:24:56.000 Yeah.

02:24:56.000 That's cool that people are still doing stuff like that, like the old school, the way they did King Kong.

02:25:02.000 Well, here's what I noticed too when you start talking to some of these artists, you know, like some of my stage designs and stuff like that.

02:25:07.000 Like for America's Sweetheart, what I had was like this idea that, what if we left society?

02:25:12.000 How long till nature would just take back over?

02:25:14.000 And we're like, let's do that with plants.

02:25:16.000 And then the first ones are like so expensive.

02:25:18.000 They're like, oh, I can't.

02:25:19.000 Okay, I got to rethink.

02:25:20.000 I can't.

02:25:21.000 That's far, far out of the budget.

02:25:22.000 I'll spend a lot, but not that much out of the budget.

02:25:25.000 But then you tell these people, Like, well, here's what I'm trying to do.

02:25:29.000 I'm trying to say, you saved the whole thing.

02:25:30.000 Like, here's what I'm trying to get across.

02:25:31.000 Here's what I'm trying to say.

02:25:32.000 Like, we're too caught up in the news and stuff.

02:25:34.000 And if we all just, like, whatever. 1.00

02:25:35.000 And then they go, fuck, dude, that's a good. 0.99

02:25:39.000 Okay, we can do it at cost. 0.99

02:25:41.000 And then him and Anthony Shepard, they were both like these great artists. 1.00

02:25:44.000 They were like, fuck, they stole your fucking show from you. 1.00

02:25:47.000 Hold on, that's fucking bullshit. 1.00

02:25:50.000 I can bring my cost way down. 1.00

02:25:51.000 We can do this.

02:25:53.000 Still very expensive, but they were like, I want to be part of something.

02:25:56.000 That's dope.

02:25:56.000 You know, if Tarantino was like, you want to hold a boom mic?

02:25:58.000 I'm like, yes, I would do that for you to be part of something.

02:26:01.000 Yeah.

02:26:03.000 There we go. 1.00

02:26:03.000 That's fucking dope, dude. 1.00

02:26:05.000 It's what? 1.00

02:26:06.000 William Child.

02:26:06.000 That's his Instagram account.

02:26:07.000 Whoa.

02:26:08.000 That's me.

02:26:09.000 Can you deliver me a message?

02:26:09.000 Look at you.

02:26:12.000 Oh, you're an asshole, kid. 1.00

02:26:15.000 You know, that is. 1.00

02:26:15.000 Tell me that I was a kid. 1.00

02:26:16.000 Look at that.

02:26:18.000 You have to play that.

02:26:18.000 That's real.

02:26:21.000 I don't know.

02:26:22.000 February 18th, 2010.

02:26:23.000 The show was born in the third most vapid city in America.

02:26:26.000 Me and six comedians telling stories about psychedelic drugs.

02:26:30.000 Only 14 people showed up. 0.98

02:26:32.000 But goddamn, it was the best show I'd ever seen. 0.99

02:26:36.000 February. 0.99

02:26:36.000 That's awesome. 0.99

02:26:37.000 A lot of hard work completely on my own with help from no one.

02:26:40.000 I got a TV deal.

02:26:42.000 And that.

02:26:44.000 Help launch the careers of so many great comics.

02:26:46.000 Fat ones who lost weight, fat ones who somehow keep getting fat. 0.85

02:26:50.000 Men who want to influence Alexa.

02:26:52.000 Go on to normalize childhood. 1.00

02:26:54.000 That's Pat, you should get molested. 0.99

02:26:56.000 And then, with a lot of hardened ending. 0.99

02:26:58.000 That's awesome.

02:26:59.000 The irony's sickening me.

02:27:00.000 Wait, wait, watch this part.

02:27:02.000 You're in it.

02:27:03.000 Hold on.

02:27:04.000 I mean, that might have been the drugs.

02:27:07.000 Without an ending.

02:27:10.000 Wait, rush right after this.

02:27:11.000 I have a play.

02:27:11.000 Hold on.

02:27:14.000 I mean, it might have been the drugs.

02:27:18.000 Wait, I think there's nothing yet.

02:27:21.000 There's only clips of it, I guess. 0.99

02:27:21.000 Fuck. 0.99

02:27:24.000 There's a moment where I have to go. 1.00

02:27:25.000 I realized it had to be a man and not just a man who would go on to tap Shane Gillis twice with witnesses, by the way.

02:27:30.000 And then you and Norman raising your hand.

02:27:32.000 I was like, I witnessed it.

02:27:34.000 I'm like, let's just have some fun, dude.

02:27:36.000 Let's have some fun.

02:27:38.000 I got Duncan to do a theme song on the way out of his episode.

02:27:40.000 Oh, really?

02:27:41.000 His story was about taking his kids to a Taylor Swift concert film and how awful it is.

02:27:47.000 He thinks she's a 15,000 year old vampire.

02:27:53.000 He has this long song.

02:27:54.000 He goes, You can see it.

02:27:55.000 She's feeding off them.

02:27:57.000 She gets bigger as they start cheering.

02:27:59.000 It's so funny.

02:28:00.000 He's so out there.

02:28:00.000 And it's Duncan.

02:28:02.000 And I'm like, Hey, Duncan.

02:28:03.000 He does this song.

02:28:04.000 He breaks down every one of her songs.

02:28:06.000 He goes, It's just this.

02:28:07.000 And I was like, You know those crazy GarageBand songs you've been making for 25 plus years?

02:28:11.000 You want to do the theme song just for that episode?

02:28:14.000 And he goes, Yeah, 100%.

02:28:16.000 So it's this demonic song about being a 15,000 year old vampire.

02:28:20.000 It's a Taylor Swift original song.

02:28:23.000 And you don't have to okay with a network.

02:28:25.000 You're like, let's just do it.

02:28:26.000 I was like, what do you need as your credit?

02:28:28.000 He made up some crazy credit for his band.

02:28:30.000 That's awesome.

02:28:32.000 That's amazing.

02:28:33.000 Nobody's embraced that kind of AI technology more than Duncan does.

02:28:37.000 He's always sending me things that he's working on.

02:28:40.000 Always, dude.

02:28:40.000 He's doing this all day long.

02:28:41.000 Those GarageBand songs he used to make, it was just him coming up with crazy weird sounds.

02:28:46.000 A long time ago.

02:28:47.000 The sunset days.

02:28:47.000 Yeah.

02:28:48.000 Yeah.

02:28:48.000 It was like, oh my God.

02:28:50.000 Yeah.

02:28:51.000 That's awesome, dude.

02:28:52.000 Okay, so that's it's available on arishafir.com.

02:28:56.000 Arishafir.com.

02:28:56.000 Each episode is $5.99.

02:28:59.000 People didn't know how to find it.

02:28:59.000 That went away.

02:29:01.000 But is it still there?

02:29:02.000 Like if you go to arithegreat.com, does it take you to arishafir.com?

02:29:04.000 If I know anything about me, there's no way I'm going to pay those fees every year.

02:29:08.000 If I know anything about me and my people, I doubt I still have that.

02:29:11.000 But, all right.

02:29:14.000 All right.

02:29:15.000 Yeah.

02:29:16.000 Yeah.

02:29:16.000 I let the YMH staff, I had a production card.

02:29:18.000 You know, you need a production card at the end.

02:29:20.000 One of them says YMH, then Eric Abrams directs his. 0.99

02:29:23.000 And I was like, fuck. 0.99

02:29:24.000 The one I was using was just a still frame from This Not Happening, just my dick pixelated. 1.00

02:29:30.000 And I was like, put my thing on that. 0.96

02:29:31.000 I hate the, I'm not a producer or whatever.

02:29:34.000 Right.

02:29:35.000 And I didn't have it.

02:29:36.000 And then we couldn't use anything with This Not Happening. 0.99

02:29:38.000 And I was like, fuck, I need another one. 0.91

02:29:38.000 So it's like, don't. 0.91

02:29:40.000 I'm off in the jungle. 1.00

02:29:41.000 So I told YMH, I was like, guys, you guys are all fucking idiots. 1.00

02:29:46.000 Make me whatever production card you want and I will use it. 1.00

02:29:49.000 And then they were like, we're going to make seven.

02:29:51.000 I was like, all right.

02:29:52.000 And I've seen a few of them and they're all so. 1.00

02:29:54.000 So retarded. 1.00

02:29:55.000 They're so, one of them is gonna be banging a giant coin out of my fucking giant nose. 1.00

02:30:01.000 It's just so retarded. 1.00

02:30:03.000 Nice. 1.00

02:30:03.000 I love working with people I like. 1.00

02:30:05.000 Yeah, Tom's awesome.

02:30:07.000 It's nice having a guy like that that's like really just acquired an enormous amount of funds.

02:30:12.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:30:13.000 And does whatever the fuck he wants. 0.99

02:30:14.000 Fun funds. 0.99

02:30:14.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:30:15.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:30:16.000 And his Netflix show is fucking great. 0.98

02:30:18.000 Oh, it's so out there. 0.99

02:30:19.000 It's so crazy.

02:30:20.000 But it's like perfect for him.

02:30:22.000 It's like his mind.

02:30:24.000 All right. 1.00

02:30:25.000 Let's wrap this bitch up. 1.00

02:30:26.000 Tomorrow, Protect Our Parks. 1.00

02:30:28.000 First Protect Our Parks in quite some time.

02:30:29.000 Dude, I would get recognized here or there when I was traveling.

02:30:32.000 Not much.

02:30:33.000 I'll tell you a couple things I saw.

02:30:35.000 One, people know Shane Gillis' name except in Brazil, and then they only know Rafi Bastos' name.

02:30:42.000 Oh, really?

02:30:43.000 That's the only comic they've ever heard of.

02:30:44.000 He's a big comic.

02:30:45.000 Humongous.

02:30:46.000 Yeah, I had him on the show.

02:30:47.000 Really?

02:30:48.000 Yeah, he was great.

02:30:49.000 Good dude.

02:30:50.000 But I'll tell you this, though, there's a lot of business and shit that gets caught up in this who's interviewing which politician, and oh, this guy's doing this, or he's friends with this guy, and all the money and everything. 0.78

02:31:00.000 And like, am I doing well enough? 0.80

02:31:02.000 People try to do that keep up game.

02:31:03.000 This guy's getting more views on his clips.

02:31:05.000 I should start doing shorter stuff.

02:31:09.000 Anyone I told that didn't recognize me when it came up, what my job was, first I'd try to avoid it.

02:31:14.000 But if I kept her, she's like, no, no, no, for real, what do you do?

02:31:16.000 I'm like, all right, well, I'm a stand up comedian.

02:31:19.000 I mean, this is 10 for 10 countries.

02:31:21.000 Everybody would be like, what?

02:31:24.000 What do you mean?

02:31:26.000 I'm like, yeah, I'm a stand up comedian.

02:31:27.000 And they go, like, as a hobby?

02:31:30.000 I'm like, no, as a living.

02:31:31.000 They're like, what?

02:31:32.000 Grandma, come here.

02:31:33.000 This guy does stand up.

02:31:34.000 Like, what do you mean with a microphone?

02:31:35.000 I'm like, yeah.

02:31:36.000 He goes, that's so cool.

02:31:38.000 That's so cool.

02:31:39.000 I'm like, where?

02:31:40.000 I'm like, in the country, in the world, really.

02:31:40.000 Just in New York?

02:31:43.000 What?

02:31:43.000 You pay your rent on this?

02:31:45.000 I'm like, yeah. 0.99

02:31:46.000 Like, no fucking way. 0.99

02:31:46.000 And then some. 0.99

02:31:48.000 They couldn't get over how cool it was.

02:31:49.000 And they didn't know if I'm successful or not.

02:31:52.000 They just know I do this.

02:31:53.000 Bro, we have the coolest job, and I've tested this in the world.

02:31:59.000 There's no cooler job you could tell people that they'll be like that reaction.

02:32:03.000 They start smiling just at the idea of the job.

02:32:06.000 Can they actually exist?

02:32:08.000 And that's what we do.

02:32:08.000 Wow.

02:32:09.000 And the high level ones and the low level, we're all doing the same shit. 1.00

02:32:12.000 We're all just coming up with a better dick joke. 0.99

02:32:14.000 To just entertain some strangers. 1.00

02:32:16.000 Even gay Ian. 1.00

02:32:17.000 Even gay fucking Ian. 1.00

02:32:19.000 Blowing a dude, and they go, oh, I just got an idea for a bit. 1.00

02:32:22.000 That's cool.

02:32:23.000 Let me, hold on, I gotta write this down. 0.93

02:32:24.000 Hold on, I'll jerk you while I write it down.

02:32:27.000 Oh, that's awesome.

02:32:28.000 Yeah, it's an amazing job.

02:32:29.000 It's kind of incredible.

02:32:31.000 We live a very blessed life, for sure.

02:32:34.000 Yeah, it's just, yeah, it's just, I don't know.

02:32:38.000 I mean, yeah, it's fun to just focus on some positives and realize the negatives are nothing compared to the positive.

02:32:43.000 The keeping up with the Joneses stuff and the paying attention.

02:32:46.000 The numbers.

02:32:46.000 I mean, obviously, that's easy for me to say that you shouldn't do it, but you shouldn't do it.

02:32:50.000 Well, there's this thing.

02:32:51.000 Just concentrate on what you're doing and enjoy it.

02:32:53.000 I was talking to Maddie Weiner, it's a really funny comic.

02:32:56.000 And she was like, you know, all these people and everybody really likes, she's going to be a star.

02:33:00.000 And she's like, all these people are getting clips.

02:33:02.000 It's crowd work.

02:33:03.000 I don't do crowd work.

02:33:04.000 And it was like, well, then you shouldn't do those clips.

02:33:08.000 Your road's just going to be a little longer than them, but don't think about it like that. 1.00

02:33:11.000 Like, just do the shit you're good at. 1.00

02:33:13.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:33:14.000 You know?

02:33:15.000 And then eventually you'll get found out.

02:33:16.000 I mean, just do whatever you do.

02:33:18.000 Whatever you want to do, but don't let them decide.

02:33:20.000 Oh, I need to write an under 60 second bit.

02:33:23.000 It's got to have a punchline at 59 seconds, or I can't put it on YouTube Shorts.

02:33:27.000 Like, that's a dumb way to be building your stuff.

02:33:30.000 Big J does kind of crowd work that no one's ever done long form crowd work with. 0.69

02:33:30.000 Absolutely. 0.69

02:33:34.000 Yeah.

02:33:35.000 But it's also been doing it for so long, and he has that kind of personality and like easygoing style that makes it work.

02:33:44.000 You see Big J at.

02:33:46.000 At, like, when somebody heckles him, like an angry heckle, not just like a, I'm gonna be part of it. 1.00

02:33:52.000 They're like, Yeah, fuck, I suck. 1.00

02:33:53.000 He doesn't, I get worked up. 1.00

02:33:55.000 He just goes, Oh, what was it that you don't like?

02:33:59.000 Like, almost as if he's on mushrooms.

02:34:00.000 He's like, Yeah.

02:34:01.000 No, yeah, I could see that.

02:34:02.000 But what specifically?

02:34:03.000 I just want to know.

02:34:03.000 He's an easygoing guy.

02:34:04.000 Yeah, you're just like, let's mine this for laughs.

02:34:06.000 Yeah.

02:34:07.000 I'm like, I caught up screaming.

02:34:08.000 Well, he's also done so many shows in New York where that must happen so often.

02:34:13.000 You develop strategies.

02:34:14.000 You got practice at it.

02:34:14.000 Yeah.

02:34:16.000 Yeah.

02:34:16.000 Big J, my co host of Legion of Skanks.

02:34:18.000 All right.

02:34:19.000 You're back.

02:34:19.000 That's right.

02:34:20.000 Legion of Skanks.

02:34:21.000 You're running it now that Dave Smith has decided to be a political commentator.

02:34:24.000 Well, it's three for life.

02:34:25.000 I'm just part of it.

02:34:25.000 I'm not running it.

02:34:26.000 You're running it.

02:34:26.000 No, no, no.

02:34:27.000 Print it.

02:34:28.000 Joke World. 1.00

02:34:29.000 I heard that you were the leader of the Legion of Skanks.

02:34:32.000 I am the leader of Skanks.

02:34:34.000 In the past, you already, like, you ran for president.

02:34:34.000 Well, I'm the president.

02:34:37.000 I think you won.

02:34:38.000 I think.

02:34:39.000 Yeah, I won.

02:34:40.000 Dude, one day on one of these podcasts, we got to talk about the presidential election of Legion of the Sky. 1.00

02:34:45.000 It was a three month process of just nonstop creativity and stupidity. 0.98

02:34:50.000 We'll talk about it tomorrow. 1.00

02:34:51.000 Okay.

02:34:52.000 Oh, Shane was involved.

02:34:53.000 Shane's my vice president.

02:34:53.000 Yeah.

02:34:54.000 There you go.

02:34:55.000 All right.

02:34:55.000 Let's wrap this up.

02:34:56.000 I love you.

02:34:56.000 I love you too.

02:34:57.000 It's great to see you back.

02:34:58.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:34:59.000 Dude, there's a bunch of times where I thought about you out there where I'm like, you would love Nazca Lines was one.

02:35:04.000 I'm like, Joe Rogan would love the Mayan temples.

02:35:07.000 You would love it.

02:35:08.000 I went to Chichen Itza once, way back in the early days.

02:35:11.000 El Salvador, you would have loved it.

02:35:13.000 I'm sure.

02:35:14.000 Just with like, for the stuff you're into, there was so much.

02:35:17.000 Anyway, I love you, buddy.

02:35:18.000 I love you too.

02:35:19.000 Jamie, I love you as well.

02:35:20.000 We love you, Jamie.

02:35:21.000 Bye.

The Joe Rogan Experience - April 30, 2026

Joe Rogan Experience #2492 - Ari Shaffir

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