00:00:40.000I was trained as a scientist in cognitive neuroscience and computer science, and did some AI stuff, did some stuff with the human brain in terms of trying to understand how time works in the human brain.
00:00:52.000And then I got really interested in how funky time works in the human brain, like precognition, which is, of course, predicting future events in ways that we don't normally think about.
00:02:03.000That kind of stuff has always puzzled people.
00:02:06.000So it's always fascinating when someone like yourself.
00:02:09.000Actually, it spends a lot of time studying it and trying to gather data and trying to show what's real and what's not and what you can actually show.
00:02:20.000So, I mean, my experience has been that sort of regardless of how much time I spend studying it and how much I see it and how much I can test different controls to make sure it's not this, that, or the other thing and that it really is getting information from the future or it really is telepathy.
00:02:39.000Still, kind of don't in the science world tend to just ignore it.
00:02:44.000Or it actually is actively suppressed.
00:02:46.000I mean, there's some papers that I've published that just won't get listed in Google Scholar, even though they're in peer reviewed journals with other articles that do get listed in Google Scholar.
00:02:55.000So there's it's frustrating, and who cares because it's just an academic complaining.
00:03:00.000But I'm also not an academic, I also want to build things, I'm into making stuff.
00:03:05.000So I got my PhD at these tier one research institutions like Northwestern, got my master's at UCA San Francisco.
00:03:46.000With them, if you feel like you are allowed to have them, if it doesn't feel like it's verboten, if it doesn't feel like shameful, which is part of the cultural piece.0.98
00:04:00.000So what I notice when you talk with people is you're like, you seem like a tough guy, but you're really sensitive, like you're an incredible, obviously an incredible listener.
00:04:12.000And you learn all these things and you're putting together, just this is my impression, you're putting together a kind of a map of the world, like a map of knowledge of the world through all these different people's eyes.
00:04:28.000And my question for you is, how do you see culture shifting?
00:04:33.000Because I think you're really sensitive to it and I think you're kind of like one of these signal fish that are at the.
00:04:39.000You notice what's happening in the environment and you're gonna guide a school of fish accordingly.
00:04:46.000So do you think that the culture is shifting towards Sort of better use of these I guess exceptional or these natural capacities that we already have, or do you think that we're shifting away from it and we're gonna run away in fear?
00:05:08.000So I think that because of conversations like the ones that you've had and the ones that I've had, the ones that are available online, I think people get a much deeper understanding of so many different topics and so many different things than has ever been available through whatever you want to call the mainstream media.
00:05:32.000And when you have these inherent prejudices in higher learning, Whether it's people that don't want to be foolish, so they don't want to entertain certain notions,
00:05:44.000or they don't want to accept certain things because it goes against things that they've taught and things they wrote about, we have a problem of ego and ego becoming a wall to gathering more information or getting a better detailed map of the landscape.
00:06:03.000I think there's way more people that are pondering these ideas.
00:06:10.000And having these conversations and thinking about these things than has ever been before.
00:06:15.000And I think that's one of the really beautiful things about the internet.
00:06:20.000The internet has made much more information available, and many more people are thinking about these things in ways that, you know, if you were in an environment where your career depended upon you following certain lines and certain narratives, you wouldn't pursue that because that would be detrimental.
00:06:44.000Like, if you wanted to get ahead in academia and all of a sudden you're talking about psychics and premonition, and people are like, oh, Julia's a fucking loon.0.99
00:06:54.000But you're courageous and you see value in these things.0.95
00:06:59.000And because you can come on here and talk about it, instead of just addressing a class or selling a book that's going to reach a few thousand people, we can have a conversation where 10 million people are going to listen.
00:07:12.000And so then those 10 million people are going to go to work and they're going to tell their friends at work, like, hey, there's just, you know, you know how that feeling that you get where sometimes you know something's going to happen and it happens?
00:07:24.000And there was this lady, she was on the Joe Rogan podcast and she was talking.0.96
00:07:28.000And so that opens up people to this idea that you don't have to worry about being a fool because that's what a lot of people are worried about.0.81
00:07:39.000It was a big hurdle talking about aliens.
00:08:09.000My future doesn't rely on people taking me seriously.
00:08:14.000I think having that ability to have conversations about all kinds of different things has really changed the way the entire world is discussing just reality.
00:08:29.000Like everything about reality, from quantum computing to alien life to international politics to the way human beings misrepresent each other purposely for their own gains, like what is all this?
00:08:46.000Like, and why has it taken so long to have so many discussions about this?
00:08:52.000So I think that's if I have a purpose in this world, it's like I'm an antenna for that.
00:08:59.000Yeah, I'm just clapping because it's such a great purpose.0.96
00:09:02.000Because, you know, the reason I fell in love with science was it's about discovery, it's about not knowing, it's about being foolish.
00:09:11.000I had this, I was just thinking today, I had this amazing high school biology teacher who had us go outside and he gave us these little note cards.
00:09:20.000And he said, on one side of the note card, I want you to write a question about your environment.
00:09:24.000Look around, you know, the plants or whatever, pick something, the dirt, whatever, and write a question you think Einstein would ask about this.
00:09:31.000And then he said, Okay, now flip it over, and I want you to write a question that, like, a two year old would ask if a two year old could, you know, write.
00:09:38.000And my favorite slide was the two year old.
00:09:40.000And at the end, he said, Now, Einstein was more like the two year old.
00:09:44.000He said, Einstein was full of wonder and confusion and uncertainty.
00:09:50.000And he just asked questions and imagined things.
00:09:53.000And that's how I want you all to learn to be.
00:10:01.000And so then I went to graduate school and I went in the world of academia, and I was like, There's all this pressure to, you know, you write your grant after you've done about three quarters of the work so that as soon as you get the grant, then you can publish the papers that go with the grant.
00:10:17.000So you're not really discovering anything.
00:10:18.000You're kind of talking about, here's what I already know, but I'm acting like I haven't looked at it yet.
00:10:22.000And there's pressure to follow, as you said, follow the line of thinking for both funding and for your career.
00:10:31.000And, you know, I was told very nicely by wonderful people who wanted to support me.
00:10:38.000That if I took the stuff about psychic stuff off my resume, I would have a perfectly good resume for academia.
00:11:21.000But when you were saying this thing about people afraid to be foolish, I wonder how much it helps me to come from a family of very foolish, eccentric people.0.99
00:11:48.000Well, or things that could be perceived as foolish because they're willing to take chances and look at these obscure topics and strange phenomena and just and not worry about the stigma that's attached to these subjects that keeps supposedly intelligent or serious people, people that want to be considered as serious people, from discussing.
00:12:11.000Well, like when you said the thing about Bigfoot.
00:14:13.000And I think that there is a real problem with ideologies where, especially in this country, we're so polarized, we have a right and a left.
00:14:25.000And I think most people are kind of in the middle somewhere.
00:14:27.000You know, and I'm certainly in the middle.
00:14:53.000The problem with either side is you have to accept, if you're going to accept, if you're going to join one of their teams, I had a bit about it in my last comedy special that if you're going to join their team, you have to believe.
00:17:12.000And the problem is that even people that have deeply studied subjects, The wanting the reverence and wanting people to defer to you wholly with no questions whatsoever, like as if you have the entire database on whatever this thing is settled.
00:17:33.000That doesn't seem to be the case very often.
00:17:36.000There's very few things that seem to be completely settled.
00:17:39.000It's much more interesting to me when I talk to someone that their perspective is I'm a person that has spent an inordinate amount of time.
00:17:49.000Going over this stuff, and this is what I know.
00:17:51.000I might not know all of it, but this is what we know, and this is why we think this is what it is.
00:17:56.000And this is so instead of like having this ego, and I see it, God, I see it from so many.
00:18:05.000It's a very male ego thing to be like the dominant force of the narrative, you know, that they're the enforcer of the narrative, and you know, very.
00:18:19.000Dismissive and very rude, and saying, you know, just insulting things about anybody that deviates from it instead of just saying, this is why I think this is the case, and this is what we've learned over the years.
00:18:36.000But having humility when you're dealing with, especially when you're dealing with something like cognitive, like anything involving consciousness, anything involving the human mind, it's so complex.
00:18:49.000There's so much going on, and it's so biologically variable.
00:18:53.000There's so many different people that have different ways of thinking and their mind works differently.
00:18:58.000One of the more illuminating things about doing this podcast is having so many different people in here and so many different conversations, so many unique and fascinating people, but they're all different.
00:20:04.000But what you said about it's a really male thing, I think it's better said to say it's a really insecure male.
00:20:12.000Thing or an insecure, it's an insecurity thing that happens more probably to men because there's such a standard of you're supposed to be alpha, everyone's supposed to be alpha, right?
00:20:21.000And for women, there's not that standard, or you're not, you know, right?
00:20:24.000And so, there's more insecurity because everyone can't be alpha, and what the heck is alpha?
00:20:30.000And so, I feel like I have a desire for someone who has a sense of their own, like, is secure in their own masculinity and their own feminity, which I think you have both.
00:22:05.000I can definitely think of men and women who are both crappy listeners and good listeners.
00:22:10.000So it's about the insecurity, it's about the emotional maturity.
00:22:13.000I think it's also a learned thing that, you know, people have this desire to show everyone how intelligent they are and how dominant they are in any particular subject.
00:22:25.000Infuriating things about having conversations where people aren't really talking to you, they're just trying to win whatever little verbal game you're playing.
00:22:35.000They're trying to one up you and they're trying to.
00:24:24.000And so by learning over and over and over and over again that you're not really special, and it's really just about the time you put in and then about getting better and having the ability to objectively assess your position, who you are in this.
00:24:39.000This room of people that are trying to strangle each other, who you are in the world itself.
00:24:44.000I think a lot of people don't ever address that.
00:24:48.000They run around trying to posture and pretend they're something they're not, pretend they're smarter than they are, they're more of an expert on a subject, they're the one who should talk, you should listen.
00:25:35.000Okay, but let's talk about what a better world would be.1.00
00:25:39.000So, in a better world, If you're going to assert dominance, you would like the martial art.
00:25:46.000What I love about martial art is first of all, it's all mental, almost all mental.
00:25:51.000And then second, it's very similar to what happens when you go through and get your PhD, right?
00:25:56.000You get beaten down and you realize you're not the smartest person in the room and you're hanging out with all these other super smart people.
00:26:02.000And then you've got to learn to be like, okay, that's not what matters.
00:26:06.000So that's the good part of going nuts with school.
00:26:55.000I don't need to learn to listen to that.
00:26:58.000I need to learn to say, unlike all of you, I need to learn to say, I'm not going to hang out with people and put myself in the presence of people who are rude like that.
00:27:08.000That's more important than their amazing intellect.
00:27:12.000And somehow, somehow, we got to a place culturally where we think you can be really.
00:27:19.000Mean or dismissive or rude and arrogant, and that's fine because you're winning.0.72
00:27:28.000And I feel like a better world would acknowledge that what's more important is love, which is this connection where you actually acknowledge there's someone else there, even if you like think they're an asshole, but still, you know, like I wasn't practicing love, I wasn't accepting him who he was, but I was in a place where the environment wanted me to just ignore sort of the information I was getting about who this guy was and just say, no, all that matters is his intelligence.0.93
00:28:51.000You know, I'm not saying I'm better than I'm saying I had that experience that made me see that there was this level of like sort of import placed on the intellect.
00:29:13.000Like, I think putting all of the emphasis on the intellect itself and ignoring the personality is kind of like the messenger is important.0.98
00:29:25.000Like, the message is important, but the messenger sucks.
00:29:28.000That, you know, if someone was yelling out the most amazing information in the world, but they were singing it like a Slayer song, I don't know if it's a bad example, but you know what I mean?0.85
00:29:40.000Like, you know those death metal bands where they just scream.
00:29:43.000And you're like, oh, geez, I got to get out of here.
00:30:47.000Exist whenever there's ego, whenever there's the human dynamics of these bizarre creatures that we are, where territorial apes with weapons.
00:30:59.000We're weird and we're always establishing some kind of dominance, whether it's intellectual dominance or wealth dominance or social hierarchy dominance.
00:31:36.000There's probably something that some sociopaths feel if they show up with a million dollar watch and a million dollar car and they pull up in front of a giant house that's bigger than anybody's.
00:34:47.000So, so have I, my own, but also I was a doula for a couple friends who had babies.
00:34:53.000And you know, everyone should just see a baby be born because it's very psychedelic, it's psychedelic, and it's also it just puts you in that liminal space where, um, it's like you've seen beyond the veil, you've seen the borderland between life and death.
00:35:08.000And it feels to me like that experience, which is much more rare for people to have now, most people.
00:35:19.000But that experience is, and also seeing someone die, that experience, I think, helps train us in, it is the instruction book for the human mind.
00:36:04.000Yeah, it's a meme online because my friend Brian Cowan was in the podcast studio and he blew this Aztec death whistle like literally, was it like a week before the fucking pandemic?0.97
00:38:41.000And because it's so difficult, you can't think of anything else other than it while you're doing it.
00:38:46.000And I think that cleans your mind out and that it purges you of all this weirdness that's inside of you that is constantly battling with everything around you and allows you to just be.
00:39:10.000You can't, but I do sort of think like childbirth for women who go through it or are lucky enough to go through it is kind of like boot camp for men.
00:39:19.000I mean, it really pushes you to your limit and then puts you in an altered state where.
00:39:56.000I think when I was talking about martial arts, you could, martial arts will help you in that regard.
00:40:02.000But I think kind of anything that's hard to do gets you out of your head and helps you.
00:40:07.000And just getting an understanding that whatever you're doing in life, if you concentrate on it and focus on it, and you'll get better at it.
00:40:17.000And that gives you confidence and an understanding of kind of how the world works.
00:40:22.000And then you could also apply that to being a person.
00:40:24.000You know, like you're not the same person you were when you were 20 years old, right?
00:40:28.000Because you're better at being a person because you've lived a lot, you've had a lot of experiences, you made a lot of mistakes, and you're constantly practicing and learning, you know?
00:40:39.000And I think other things that you can do other than just being a person will enhance your ability to be a person.
00:41:03.000When I used to teach remote viewing, we used to call it a mental martial art.
00:41:06.000It's anything that's hard on which you have to concentrate that puts you in that space of flow.
00:41:14.000And the flow means, you know, that Holly Chicks at Mahali idea.
00:41:19.000I don't know if I pronounced his name right, but this idea of.
00:41:21.000Timelessness, and you're just sort of having to surf whatever's happening.
00:41:27.000And that could happen, it could happen in any field, right?
00:41:32.000Whenever you have to apply your whole self to something, then it's so ironic because you apply your whole self to something, and then what that allows to happen is that you become selfless.
00:45:21.000He discovered or showed somehow the electron layer on the moon, that there's this like atmosphere of electrons on the moon.
00:45:28.000And how can you say that that couldn't happen?
00:45:31.000So, one of the reasons, so people are so complex with the reasons they go into particular fields.
00:45:38.000My experience with physicists, my dad included, is they tend to go into this field of physics because the whole job of physics is to simplify everything into a few equations, right?
00:45:49.000Let's like, there's the funny, there's the, I don't know if it's funny, but there's the standard physics joke of like, All right, let's figure out the volume of a cow.
00:45:59.000And so it's like you cut off the legs and the head and the tail, and all of a sudden you're just calculating a sphere, which doesn't give you the volume of the cow.
00:46:08.000And so I think there's a desire to simplify everything, and I think there's a desire to control things.
00:46:16.000And many, many, many physicists have OCD and have control issues.
00:47:12.000So, what I did was, I kept a dream journal sort of the rest of my life.
00:47:17.000I still write every morning my dreams and started to notice that I was really good at precognitive dreaming.
00:47:24.000And it would happen again and again and again.
00:47:26.000And I would have experiences, we can get into later the weird school stuff, but experiences at school that reminded me that I had this capacity.
00:47:36.000And Then I hid it from myself when I realized I wanted to go to graduate school and actually be a scientist.
00:47:45.000So, by which I mean, I just sort of said, well, all of that stuff's crap, even though I was still having those experiences.
00:48:16.000And the reason I started, and it's not like I had really forgotten, but it's like it just wasn't allowed to be real.
00:48:22.000I started to study timing in the auditory system because I was into understanding how the auditory system managed things in time.
00:48:32.000And then I started to ask myself, why am I so interested in time?
00:48:35.000Why am I so interested in the nature of time and how it works?
00:48:38.000And then, boom, oh, right, because I keep having these precognitive dreams.
00:48:42.000Obviously, something we don't understand about how time works because these are so consistent and clear.
00:48:47.000And at that point, you know, I knew that was happening because I knew I wasn't making it up.
00:48:52.000I could look at my journal and I could see it.
00:48:55.000So that's when I started saying, all right, you know, I'm old enough to choose my own path and I'm going to start asking these questions.
00:49:03.000And when you started asking them and trying to apply it in using the scientific method, how did you first attempt to do that?
00:49:12.000Well, I called, I was a I'm kind of fearless when it comes to cold calling people, especially scientists, because very few people call scientists.
00:49:53.000I finished my PhD while I was studying all this other stuff and understanding the field.
00:49:57.000And then, as soon as I got into my postdoc years, I found a sympathetic advisor at Northwestern in the cognitive neuroscience program and just said, I want to start studying this stuff.
00:50:08.000So, at the same time, I had one foot in more mainstream stuff about timing and the auditory and the visual system.
00:50:15.000And then the other foot was in this purely, basically psychic stuff, trying to understand it.
00:50:23.000There's a foundation called the Bial Foundation in Portugal, and I wrote an application to them and they funded my postdoc so I could study the sense of being stared at with closed circuit TV monitors.
00:50:36.000I could study how the skin physiology, skin conductance, or sweat changes just before you get a response right on a random psychic task.
00:50:51.000Then I just pulled from I got really interested in presentiment because I saw that it was real.0.61
00:50:56.000And I also saw there was a big gender difference that was fascinating to me, which is that before men got their first trial correct, and this is just a guessing game, so it's all randomly selected, their skin conductance would go crazy, like they just won the lottery.
00:51:13.000And before they didn't get it correct or they were incorrect, it would just kind of like peter along.
00:51:19.000So they were anticipating at a very high level what the future was going to bring, whether they were going to win or not.0.98
00:51:25.000Whereas women practically, but not totally, showed the opposite.0.98
00:51:31.000But regardless of what happened, whether it was correct or incorrect, they were much lower than men.0.97
00:51:35.000So men were really excited about the future correct thing.0.99
00:51:41.000At least their physiology showed that.
00:51:43.000So I got fascinated by that and pulled together a bunch of, worked with a couple other people at different institutions and pulled together 26 studies over the past, or the prior, I guess, 40 years that looked at this kind of physiological change that predicts essentially a random future event.
00:53:17.000But, you know, there's other tasks that aren't about winning that are just about, is, you know, are you going to see a picture that's scary versus a picture that's neutral where women and men both show the effect?
00:53:27.000But in this particular task, it was just like very clear.
00:53:31.000And then I replicated it in heartbeats.
00:53:33.000So the first one was in skin conductance.
00:53:44.000It doesn't, if something doesn't matter so much to you in the future, I don't think it matters so much to you in anticipating it.0.99
00:53:53.000Now, here's the question about this stuff Do you think that this is an emerging phenomenon in human consciousness, or do you think it's something that has atrophied, that was available before language?
00:54:14.000And one of the things that I've been thinking is one of the things that we've noticed like, I think phones and the internet and the computers are an amazing thing.
00:54:24.000You can acquire so much information, you can learn about things, you can encounter new people.
00:54:29.000There's so much stuff that's great about the internet.0.96
00:54:33.000The bad thing is a lot of people have a much shorter attention span now because of social media, and then Now they're demonstrating that through use of large language models, a lot of people are actually getting dumber.
00:54:48.000Well, they've studied it, and especially children, they're actually less capable of solving problems themselves because they always turn to a computer and have the computer solve a problem.
00:55:02.000The more I think about that and the more I look at that, I go, well, what is language?
00:55:04.000Language is a technology, and language is a technology that allows you to say things with your mouth, and I know what you're thinking.
00:55:12.000Maybe before that existed, we had an understanding of what we were thinking.
00:55:19.000Some sort of a weird psychic connection that we all believe that people have with each other in some way or form.
00:55:27.000And some of it's, you could demonstrate some of it, you know, but most of it is just intuition and feeling.
00:55:34.000And I always wonder, like, is this atrophied?
00:55:35.000Like, before we could talk, when we were just these bipedal hominids with, you know, larger brains and all the other mammals and these weird abilities to be curious and figure out things and develop tools, like, what was consciousness like?
00:55:50.000Before language, before written language, you didn't have a word for dog and tree.
00:55:55.000And like, what was it that was going on in your head?
00:55:59.000If you don't like, you think in your head, I think in my head in a voice, yeah, you know.
00:56:05.000And they say some people don't have an internal voice.
00:56:57.000It's, I mean, if you wanted to get really crazy, you would say it's like a guardian angel in your brain that's steering you in the right direction.
00:57:07.000But if I've done something wrong in my life, made a mistake in my life, said something I shouldn't have said, that voice berates me.
00:59:09.000And I think it makes me a better person.
00:59:11.000I'm better than I would have been if I didn't have that self correcting mechanism.
00:59:16.000There's this poem by this mystic, and I forget her name.
00:59:19.000But at the end of it, she says, At the end of the day, I always bring to my mind all the people that I was kind to, and then I can fall asleep.
00:59:31.000And so, if you know that's another way to do it, right?
00:59:34.000If you know that at the end of the day, you have to look in the face of all the people that you were kind to so you can fall asleep, then that kind of makes your day.
01:00:10.000And I think the more people understand that you benefit, the more people are likely to behave in that way and it'd be better for everybody.
01:01:15.000And he's a neurologist there up in Canada.
01:01:19.000And he noticed in his stroke patients that if they had lesions here, So, their stroke kind of messed up this area here, left frontal orbital area of the brain in the cortex, that they seemed to be more psychic, like he didn't know how to explain it.
01:01:38.000So, he did an actual experiment where he tried to get people to move with their minds an arrow on a computer screen.
01:01:47.000So, there was no mouse, there was no way to move it.
01:01:49.000They just had to look at the arrow and say, move to the left or move to the right and wish it to happen, and using their intention, right?
01:01:57.000So, the people who had the strokes there were able to do it statistically significantly.
01:02:03.000People who had the strokes over here were not able to do it.
01:02:29.000So you have the try period where you say to the person, try to move it to the left, try to move it to the right.
01:02:35.000And then you have the control period where you say, you know, read a book like you're not trying.
01:02:39.000And you compare the amount, the distance and the amount of time it's spent in the intended direction to the reading a book time.
01:02:46.000And if it's, you can, you know, there's statistical tests you can use to determine whether it was spending time in the intended direction more often when it was intended.
01:03:40.000His explanation is that the left orbital frontal area is, we know that it inhibits the right frontal area, and we know that the right orbital frontal inhibits the left.
01:03:53.000And his explanation is this stuff is going on in the right hemisphere, or at least is dominated by that.
01:04:00.000And when you suppress it, it You're not as psychic, and when you release the suppression, you are more psychic, and it's just right under the surface, it's right there.
01:04:09.000And so, when I work with non speaking autistic kids, it feels to me like that's a pretty good explanation of what's going on.
01:04:19.000They're not activating this part as much.
01:04:22.000I'm not that I've proven this, this is a hypothesis, and I'm not the only one with the hypothesis, but they're not activating this part as much.
01:04:30.000We know that because this is where speech is over here, right?
01:05:13.000And there's the filter theory of consciousness says, well, consciousness is kind of like out there, almost like a radio signal, and your brain's kind of filtering it.
01:05:57.000And then, and that's, and when we're working with, I work with a whole team that works with non speaking autistic kids, like in telepathy tapes.0.58
01:06:04.000And when we're working with them, like they get distracted by that stuff.0.85
01:06:07.000Like they'll say, you know, I'm distracted.
01:06:10.000When I say say, I mean, they're, you know, Typing on a letterboard or a keyboard, you know, there's spirits in the room, or, you know, I'm thinking about what you did earlier today that I didn't know about, but I do know about because I'm telepathic.
01:06:24.000And so it's like a lot of information that makes it pretty hard to be in the here and now.0.67
01:06:28.000Have any of those nonverbal autistic kids ever wrote something down where they couldn't possibly have known it?0.95
01:06:57.000So I met my research team partially through people I had already worked with and partially folks who Kai Dickens, creator of the Telepathy Tapes, introduced me to.
01:07:12.000And so I wanted to ask that question Can we use rigorous methods to have folks write down non speakers or spellers, whatever we want to call them?
01:07:23.000I think non speakers or spellers are preferred.
01:07:26.000Nonverbal kind of implies that they don't have language at all.0.98
01:07:30.000But the reality is they don't, they may speak, but they don't speak to communicate.
01:07:38.000I wanted to understand like, they're doing all these tests where they're repeating numbers and letters.
01:07:45.000And that's interesting, but it doesn't really to me, I mean, the whole world of testing people for psychic abilities, it's not very interesting.
01:07:55.000And if we presume that these students are actually pretty smart, It's got to be boring for them.
01:08:01.000And so I thought, well, let's give them an opportunity to really show their stuff.
01:08:06.000And so I set up this whole rigorous trial set.
01:08:10.000And even the non speakers came on board and actually told us what they would like to see the stimuli be.
01:08:16.000We want videos, we want music, we want words in the videos that are sung.
01:08:19.000I mean, they just told us all these things that they wanted.
01:10:43.000Of all the videos in the world that he picked to describe that way, it was a video of the tops of trees and then above them, Like northern lights that had been colored by an artist to look even more cool.
01:11:15.000So actually, that's not the video I'm going to show you.
01:11:17.000I just realized that I wanted to answer the question more directly.
01:11:20.000The video I want to show you, if he can find it, Is one of what we call a telepathy train where the students, and this happened more than once when we were physically in town in Chicago as a team, where this one student comes in and says something, leaves, and the next student comes in with their mom and they check in.
01:11:42.000You know, Maria always asks them, Would you like to check in?
01:11:45.000And then they refer to the thing the last student was talking about.
01:11:51.000And it happened in a really compelling way in this video because.
01:11:55.000There was also a discussion that the first student who comes in, which I believe I'm calling participant four just for anonymity.
01:12:02.000So, participant four comes in and asks, says he wants to go on a double date with participant five and his girlfriend.
01:12:41.000They also passed on this idea of slamming a beach ball on the ground in order to identify each of the videos because they wanted to get the telepathy signals right, but they were missing them on the formal trials.
01:12:56.000So they discussed between themselves, apparently, telepathically.
01:12:59.000If you slam a beach ball on the ground before we do the trial, then we'll focus on it in time and we'll go to the right timeline to talk about this is what they write down to get to the video in our minds.
01:13:12.000And so that's the video that I wanted to show you if it's here, because I don't include the double date stuff in it because it's too private and they say too many names of other.
01:13:21.000On the page I have, it says here's a link, but there's no link that I can find.
01:17:14.000On this timeline, and he said he made up this idea of slamming a beach ball.
01:17:19.000And what we found fascinating about it was, you know, that's an original idea that none of us thought about.
01:17:26.000But then we also found it fascinating because of what you'll see next, which is the next person who comes in who, of course, hadn't heard any of this.
01:17:35.000This is another participant, participant five, and Natalia's one.
01:17:40.000Participant four arrives after participant five leaves.
01:17:43.000He has to go on a double date with participant five and his girlfriend.
01:17:46.000Something participant five asked about participant four already.
01:17:50.000He also brings up something participant five mentioned about how to make the telepathy work better.
01:18:57.000And this is, it is like they are all in the same conversation.
01:19:04.000And it is so, it's hard to think about what it would be like, but it's becoming more and more clear to me that it would be very difficult to just be in this conversation where the words are coming out of our mouths if you also are just having all these conversations with other people.
01:20:09.000Well, I turn on my scientist hat when I think about that and I think, okay, well, they could have heard it on the telepathy tapes and then they started talking about it.
01:20:18.000But that's not how it seemed to have worked.
01:20:21.000But I have my own experience of that particular student.
01:20:24.000I forget whether I called him participant four or participant five at the end.
01:20:28.000He and I became, I had a good understanding of his mind and we had some good conversations.
01:20:34.000And I had a dream one night where, He came to me, and all he did was show me this like it was like a sun where you could see the sunspots, and it was just slowly turning, and it was beautiful.
01:22:25.000So I sort of go, okay, that was interesting.
01:22:27.000And it kind of blew my mind that he used that language.
01:22:29.000He's very, he's just gifted at interesting language.
01:22:33.000And then this other non speaker who worked with Natalia, who is the young woman you saw on the left, who also works with a lot of spellers, just decided to start reading my mind.
01:24:57.000One thing I know with this particular participant is that he's so gifted, and his family asks him a lot, like, about to do mediumship stuff, like, What does grandpa think about this or whatever?
01:25:19.000And they also, like the grandmother had a lung transplant and they asked who the donor was.
01:25:25.000And he identified a probable donor who lived in the area who had died that day.
01:25:30.000And they won't know for a year if it was the actual donor because it takes time to learn who the donor is, but they're pretty sure that it probably is.
01:25:38.000But So, boy, if it turns out that he's right and you can't find out for another year, yeah, or they won't release the information, well, you know, yeah, my husband had a double lung transplant.
01:25:49.000It just takes a while, everyone has to agree that they want to release the information.
01:25:53.000But, um, in any case, he's just really good at this, like, he's very skilled.
01:25:59.000And I didn't want him to feel like he was a show pony, and I wanted to get on with his lesson, and so I didn't want to ask other questions.
01:26:06.000I feel like, you know, he'll probably just show up in my dream and tell me at some point, yeah, but do you think that he even.
01:26:13.000Would think of himself as a show pony?
01:26:15.000Like, wouldn't it just be communication?
01:28:01.000Except for maybe state that there's something going on we don't understand and it deserves more study and these students shouldn't be dismissed.
01:28:11.000Now, is he, I don't know if you even asked this, but is he communicating with people in a different timeline or is he communicating with disembodied souls that no longer live in that timeline but still contain consciousness?
01:28:45.000We spend all this time in the physical, and that's what seems to be real and important to us.
01:28:50.000But to them, it's like when I brought up that someone he mentioned, he said, Oh, I was just talking to the JP, who was another non speaker.
01:28:58.000And I said, Oh, were you sad when JP died?
01:29:01.000And he said, Oh, I didn't know he was dead.
01:29:45.000Oh, and that was this student's story about it.
01:29:47.000It's so hard not to say his name, but that was this student's story about it.
01:29:51.000But, as we know from people who study mediumship, like the Windbridge Institute or the Windbridge Research Center and places like that that study mediumship, there's this big argument about their experiences.
01:31:25.000You know, I'll sing and then you sing.
01:31:27.000I'll sing and then you sing, just like you would in a conversation.
01:31:30.000And they looked at what the difference was between regular laboratory mice who don't do this and these singing mice because they were thinking these ones have speech and these ones just do this other thing.
01:32:32.000Yeah, and so the reason I'm bringing that up is because if we can understand what gives mice the capacity to have this kind of communication and other mice the capacity that they don't have it, maybe we can understand non speaking autism versus sort of speaking autism or people who are neurotypical.
01:32:50.000But it turns out that the difference just is in degree.
01:32:54.000In other words, just a few more fiber tracks.
01:32:58.000And so that's why I keep saying I don't think it's about something that's atrophied.
01:33:03.000It's just like a slight difference allows us to speak.
01:33:06.000Most people have that ability to speak.
01:33:08.000People who don't are, I think, very much like that.
01:33:12.000You get to be in contact with this information that is generally sorted out if you're using language more actively.
01:33:19.000Like, you're like, I almost think that babies are probably telepathic.
01:33:25.000I think that I'm wondering if that's how we learn language.
01:33:28.000I keep thinking, like, we have so few exposures compared to an LLM.
01:33:32.000We have very few exposures of, like, you know, death whistle.
01:33:36.000Like, how many times do you hear that before you have to learn it?
01:33:38.000If you're a baby, I have to, like, know that when you say apple, you're talking about the thing in your hand and not the 8,000 other things that are going on.
01:33:50.000Can you imagine if you could just go back and be a baby again before you learned language just to.
01:33:56.000Just to exist and understand what thinking is like.
01:34:00.000Well, I think, and then you wouldn't be able to understand it because everything would be like William James said, like blooming, buzzing confusion.
01:34:06.000Right, but it would probably be if you could just, I mean, if you could access that memory to a time where you didn't understand language, but could you even do that?
01:34:16.000And the thing is, like, the problem is you already understand language.
01:34:19.000So how would you even be able to access it?
01:34:21.000It's like those movie fantasies where you go back in time and you have all the wisdom you have now, but you get to experience being a kid again.
01:35:22.000This is like you're still there back experiencing it, making the bad choice or abuse or whatever it is.
01:35:28.000But then your wiser self who's survived and who gets that it was a bad choice or who gets that it was abusive, you go back in time mentally and you see yourself.
01:35:38.000So you're still there doing it, but it's like a second character is introduced in the timeline.
01:35:43.000You see yourself and you go, you know what?
01:37:43.000But he was so little that I could hold him in my hand, and he was running into traffic.
01:37:47.000And so I had to run into traffic and risk dying to grab this dog and pick him up and hold on to him and somehow or another not get hit by a car.
01:38:44.000To me, it's like proof of a soul or something.
01:38:47.000I really think we ought to start studying souls scientifically because if we can show that, and this is, I didn't think we were going to talk about this, but wow, I'm sure that happens a lot.
01:39:00.000But if we could start understanding what a soul is.
01:39:12.000But if you understand, I guess I'm always coming back to the informational substrate because that's like my favorite concept.
01:39:17.000But if you understand that underneath, if this is true, I sort of think this is true that underneath all of what we call physical reality, so space, time, matter, energy, is this informational substrate that it's almost like has all the information from the beginning of the universe to the end of the universe, like all of it, including like what you're thinking, feeling, et cetera, at this moment or other moments.
01:39:41.000And if you could, I guess, insert information into it and read information from it, then I think maybe that means you have a soul.
01:40:01.000Maybe that's what a soul is that which inserts information into that informational substrate.
01:40:07.000So you change things in the world and read things from it, you perceive things in the world.
01:40:14.000Maybe if you can do both of those things, it means that's what a soul is.
01:40:18.000What makes you think that there's an informational substrate that contains all the information from the beginning of time to the end of time?
01:40:43.000It does seem like people, whether they're.
01:40:45.000Non speakers or people who are particularly gifted at remote viewing or whatever can go to different times in space time or different places in space, different times in time and get information that seems like in this physical world you shouldn't be able to get, right?
01:41:03.000I mean, that's what I've been studying and I've shown that that's the case at a rate greater than chance, especially if people are in a place of self transcendence or feeling love.
01:41:31.000It suggests that there's a link between sort of what happens in the universe and what we experience and what we do and what we intend and this universal love force.
01:41:40.000So I want to, as a scientist, I'm like, how do you make a physics of love?
01:41:47.000Think about it as something that I can think of as what I could do physics or math on.
01:41:52.000And that would, the way that comes out is like this informational soup or something that has all that information there.
01:42:01.000And then it is, we play with it throughout our lives.
01:42:06.000But how would it have all the information from now to the end?
01:42:10.000Because time doesn't work in this linear way that we're used to experiencing, right?
01:42:15.000Like that's what precognition is showing us.
01:42:18.000If you can get information about future events at a rate above chance, and I can do that, and other people can do that, and actually, most people can do that according to the statistics, and they're just not conscious of it, if your physiology is changing, then that means that information can leak backwards from the future.
01:42:37.000Right, but can it leak backwards an infinite amount of time?
01:42:41.000Like, could it link backwards all the way to the end of the universe where it dies of heat death?
01:42:52.000The idea of a cosmic library that stores every event, thought, feeling, and intention that has ever occurred, often said to be accessible through psychic or mystical means.
01:43:02.000That has ever occurred, but what about forever in time in the future, the potential future?
01:43:33.000They're described as a non physical compendium of all universal events, thoughts, words, emotions, and intents spanning past, present, and potential future.
01:43:45.000So, the idea that we're somehow or another when these people are able to sense something that's going to happen or know about an image that's going to be displayed, that this small leap in the future of a few seconds or a minute or whatever it is.
01:44:10.000If you just think about time as a landscape, imagine time as a landscape.
01:44:16.000There's a mountain, there's a waterfall, there's a tree.
01:44:19.000And we're used to just walking in single file in one direction in the landscape.
01:44:25.000But if you fly a plane above, you could say, oh, I see on the other side of the mountain, there's this waterfall.
01:44:31.000And so flying the plane above is like doing any of these mystical practices, like with the Akashic Records or doing remote viewing or.
01:44:39.000Accessing that information, accessing the landscape in a different way, not through this linear sort of physical dimension or reality or whatever you want to call it, but through some other, like maybe you go to a different dimension.
01:44:52.000I don't know how to think about it mathematically.
01:44:54.000Maybe you go to a different dimension.
01:44:55.000The thing about memory and consciousness and just the idea of future and time at all, everything is made out of matter, right?
01:46:23.000I mean, that's how photosynthesis works.
01:46:24.000So don't get me started on quantum computing because I get a little pissed off about this because, okay, I know we were talking about consciousness.0.98
01:47:33.000It's doing quantum computing without a lot of expense.
01:47:38.000So, when we go and we decide that we want to be the first in quantum computing and we're going to invest all this money in like super cooling systems and very difficult to understand error correction methods and all these things, working on trapping single particles at the subatomic level, and that's how we're going to have to do it to force it into these patterns.
01:48:00.000Like, come on, we're doing something wrong.
01:48:04.000A leaf can do it outside in the sun and does it all the time.
01:48:12.000So, I started thinking that way like 12 years ago and got really passionate about photons and how photons are kind of like this, almost like a link.
01:48:25.000This is another thing that I'm going to say.
01:48:26.000You're going to be like, why do you think this?
01:48:28.000But regardless, it came into my mind that photons are kind of like a link between mind and matter.
01:49:08.000As another example, photons are another example.
01:49:10.000I think there's a version of helium that's also bosonic.
01:49:13.000But what makes it bosonic is it can be in the same place at the same time as another bosonic particle, and then another one, and another one, and another one.
01:49:24.000So, like, they kind of don't exist in physical reality.
01:49:26.000It's like we have this idea that two electrons can't be in the same place at the same time, and they can't, but these can.
01:49:34.000And so, it's almost like they're interacting in another dimension that's less physical.
01:49:39.000And it seems Just interesting to me that we think a lot about what a photon would feel.
01:49:49.000And I just keep thinking that there's some connection between what we call mind and what we call brain that has to do with photons.
01:49:57.000So, anyway, I got obsessed with photons and I started thinking about the double slit experiment.
01:50:33.000So imagine there's like a flashlight at one end of a tube, and then there's like a photon detector at the other end of the tube.
01:50:42.000And in between the flashlight and the photon detector are two slits, and they could be in cardboard or metal or whatever.
01:50:47.000So there's two slits here, and they're very skinny.
01:50:50.000And the reason I say they're skinny is because they're so skinny that if you turn down the light enough, only one photon is going to get through.
01:50:58.000And it's going to have to choose between this slit or that slit.
01:51:01.000And the weird thing is, if you do this over time, you'll see the pattern at the photon detector at the other end of the tube.
01:51:08.000It'll look like an interference pattern.
01:51:22.000Yeah, and this pattern, and so I was talking about photons, but yeah, you can do it with electrons, you can do it with larger particles, but, and that doesn't matter.
01:51:31.000But if you hear that one double slit up there is really good.
01:51:41.000So there's two pieces of it that are weird.
01:51:45.000The first bullet up there that you can't see on the screen, but is going to say that when you send a single particle one at a time, It has to choose between the slits, but it still seems to interfere with itself in space.
01:52:15.000So I kept looking at this and saying, well, it might be non local in space, but it could be non local in time.
01:52:24.000And by that, I mean that if you put an electron or a photon in there, it could be interfering from the future, like with another electron or another photon that happens in the future.
01:52:36.000And there's actually an experiment you can do to test that.
01:54:10.000If that's true, then in experiments where you have a lot of photons available to interact from the future, like in other words, the light is on for a long time, the interference pattern should show a different sort of pattern than if you don't have very many photons in the future, so the light's not going to be on a long time.
01:54:31.000So, the experiment I wanted to do and that I did was look, just randomly determine how long this experiment's going to last.
01:54:38.000How long are you going to leave this light on into the future?
01:54:42.000And then look at the very first period of time.
01:55:05.000So I ended up replicating that and replicating that and replicating that.
01:55:09.000And then a friend at UC Berkeley, who teaches the advanced physics lab there, said, I want to set up my own equipment, do the exact same experiment.
01:55:25.000I analyzed the data and I figured out the equation that relates the amount of future time after the decision to the detection pattern before the decision.
01:55:41.000And so that's the kind of result that I think is going to actually shift quantum computing because you're working at room temperature with groups of photons rather than trying to trap them.
01:55:52.000And you're treating them more like A giant unit, this unit in time, rather than this unit in space.
01:56:01.000And so, actually, could I name drop my new company?
01:56:35.000You can't know in sort of with our eyes how long that experiment's going to last, but you're getting a little reverberation from the future in the photons.
01:56:48.000It's like they're telling on themselves like, we've got a lot of future photons to interfere with, so we're going to behave in this way, or we don't have so many future photons to interfere with, we're going to behave in this other way.
01:56:58.000One of the things that people are very familiar about, though, know about the double slit experiment is the idea of the observer and how the observer changes reality.
01:58:39.000So the thing about changing something is if it was all, if it was, I like to use the word influence because if it was already always going to happen, you didn't change anything.
01:58:52.000It's not like you're on a different timeline.
01:58:55.000It's that the future influenced the past.
01:58:59.000But the observer influences reality in the results of the tests.
01:59:12.000The result is if you that that indicates this, if you put a little detector by one of the slits, because you say, I'm going to trap one of those, I'm going to trap a photon or an electron, I'm going to figure out which slit it's going through.
01:59:24.000So you put a detector at one of the two slits.
01:59:27.000If it if you get a bing, it means it went through that.
01:59:29.000If you don't get a bing, it went through the other one, right?
01:59:32.000What happens is the actual outcome now looks different.
01:59:36.000You don't get the same interference pattern, you get a single slit interference pattern as if it didn't, it wasn't non local in space or time.
01:59:44.000It didn't interfere with itself and it just kind of like went through like a billiard ball.
01:59:49.000And so that's where the observer effect comes in.
01:59:53.000It's this idea that you have observed, you've tried to trap the photon during its flight.
01:59:58.000So that's the other reason why I think that mind and photons are related is because there's something about the knowledge.
02:00:08.000I almost, again, think of it informationally, but it's like you just gained knowledge about this system as our knowledge mechanisms of our mind.
02:00:17.000You've just gained knowledge and it has now changed.
02:00:20.000It's almost like the photons are part of mind.
02:00:23.000So, of course, mind is affecting mind.
02:00:26.000And so, mind observing the photon changes the path of the photon.
02:00:31.000It changes mind, changes the behavior of the photon, changes what we see as a result.
02:00:52.000It's the problem with it, it's so weird and so weird to think of that.
02:00:58.000And observing something changes it, that it makes people start to consider okay, like if that's the case, how much of observing the known universe is a part of it existing?
02:01:15.000It all of it, it's like this figure eight.
02:01:17.000That's the thing, is that that's just a great example, it seems to me, of mind observing mind.
02:01:24.000Your mind and my mind will never be the same after observing each other, just like with every other person we meet, right?
02:02:39.000The problem is, it seems to me it's forcing something that shouldn't behave that way, that doesn't naturally behave that way, to behave that way.
02:02:46.000It's like we're trying to imitate classical computers with quantum computers, and we're not taking into account these group classical level properties that clearly a leaf uses when it's doing photosynthesis.
02:03:01.000It's not building a super cooling system and trapping ions.
02:03:06.000It's functioning in this really wet physiological environment and it's doing just fine with quantum computation.
02:03:15.000So it's more like the approach needs to become more naturalistic.
02:03:21.000And I think it needs to take into account these temporarily non local phenomena like the one I discovered.
02:03:27.000Well, aren't they considering that, at least partially, at least it's being discussed, that?
02:03:32.000This many worlds interpretation of the results of quantum computing that something's happening that you can't account for in the known universe.
02:03:40.000Something's happening with the scale of the equations that it's able to solve in the time span in which it's able to solve.
02:03:48.000It's not possible that the same sort of process is going on that would occur if it was happening right here and right now.
02:03:55.000That it seems that it's gathering the computing power.
02:04:11.000So the retrocausality thing would be that all time is happening in this figure eight loop.
02:04:16.000And then somehow or another, this quantum computer is able to tap into that and have this infinite access to all potential future and past information.
02:04:35.000If you take into account this retro causality piece and these group properties of particles at room temperature that can tell us about the future.
02:04:47.000So, the idea that this does that include a many worlds interpretation of the universe?
02:04:58.000And is it possible that not only do you get the time of all time available instantaneously, that because it is a part of a loop and somehow another A quantum computer is able to tap into that, but not just this timeline in this loop in this universe, but multiple universes, infinite in fact, that all of their time is also available.
02:05:24.000You know, maybe you the thing is, sorry, I'm just gonna have to drink more water.
02:05:55.000But it's kind of like saying, like, you know how physicists really like to simplify things?
02:06:01.000It's kind of like saying, we could do whatever we want.
02:06:05.000We could paint a picture of a fairy who also does something, you know, and then there's a gnome over here that does something.
02:06:10.000But if you don't need those things, You throw them out, right?
02:06:15.000And so it's like usually either people talk about multiple universes or retrocausality, but not both because they're solving the same problem.
02:06:25.000But it is possible that even with our little monkey minds trying to understand retrocausality, we're not taking into account the possibility that retrocausality might exist in infinite timelines.
02:07:43.000Um, yeah, so this book is not about aliens, and some people get disappointed.
02:07:50.000It has an alien on the cover because people think of disclosure with aliens right now, but it's really about what you know, what we can find out by going into our inner space.
02:08:03.000Like what we can find out by tapping into our own wisdom and our own experience and not waiting for some authority figure to say, Hey, this is what's true.
02:08:12.000And now we will reveal the great secret.
02:08:15.000Because honestly, when that happens, which could be literally tomorrow, it might be today with the release of the files.
02:08:23.000I don't know what they're going to tell us.
02:08:46.000And so, I think that disclosure, if you want to have a nice disclosure, it's really about learning what matters to you and disclosing all your own weird shit to yourself.
02:08:59.000You know, all the weird thoughts like you're talking about that guy in your head, all those weird thoughts that we have and the weird experiences we've had in our lifetimes that we sort of bury.
02:09:09.000We say that, like the thing about the ball lightning, I still forget that, and I've talked about it several times.
02:09:17.000We sort of say, well, that's not normal.
02:09:19.000So maybe it didn't happen somehow, but it did, you know?
02:09:23.000Or people who have experienced seeing UAP or UFOs, or people who are psionic assets, or people like me who have psychic experiences all the time.
02:09:35.000And how I suppressed it so that I could go into get my PhD, and then it came up as a flower later.
02:09:43.000I think that the movement has to switch, like we need a Copernican revolution where we're not looking for some authority figure to tell us what's true.
02:09:53.000I would agree with that, but I also think it really helps if someone who knows more than you, who's honest, can tell you what's true.
02:10:03.000Well, I agree with that, but what I was kind of getting into is this idea of retrocausality.
02:10:08.000If all timelines exist in the future, these things that people keep experiencing.
02:10:12.000Which, if you just extrapolated from what we understand about evolution from ancient hominids to current human beings, to what do you think we're going to look like?0.91
02:10:23.000Well, that's what I think we're going to look like.0.54
02:10:25.000Very frail things that don't need muscles.
02:12:38.000She's building a fund that's trying to invest in different companies that are using these kind of principles like alternative propulsion or, you know, informational time travel or these kind of principles, space time metric.
02:12:49.000And so she's one of many people who recognize that we have to get sort of out of the top five contracting companies who are.
02:12:59.000Holding all the knowledge about this stuff.
02:13:02.000We have to build things and just go forward.
02:13:46.000So it's this weird thing, the people that have examined the physical characteristics of them, they're very strange.
02:13:52.000Like when they've gotten these small samples.
02:13:54.000Little bits, like weird metals that we don't have.
02:13:57.000Atomically layered, somehow or another printed, and these very strange alloys that would cost billions of dollars to make, and they found this crash.
02:14:09.000They seem like little, to me, they seem like little acupuncture points, like in the history of humanity, like little, just little acupuncture, like, oh, let's put a needle there.
02:15:58.000Every great thought that I've ever had, every great joke that I've ever written, all that stuff just came out of space, came out of some weird place.
02:16:31.000What came into my head, so I love that idea.
02:16:33.000I always thought of science as like a living being, like it has its desire, and if you don't do the experiment, someone else is going to get it.
02:17:14.000I mean, most people that I've talked to that are singers, songwriters, authors in particular, they'll tell you that these ideas just sort of come out of nowhere and you just got to be there to receive them.
02:18:39.000I, um, when I was this morning, I'm like, oh, God, I just have to take a nap because I'm thinking too much about what I'm going to say on Joe Rogan's show, you know?
02:18:47.000And that's just the worst when you're thinking about what you're going to say.
02:19:03.000Which is so funny because we're sitting here talking about retro causality and these figure eight things and the multiple worlds.
02:19:07.000And then we're talking about how important it is to be in the now, which kind of like doesn't exist physically, but sure exists psychologically.
02:19:15.000And we were also talking before about ego, and I think that's a part of the problem with the way people can create or not create, is that you've got to learn how to get out of your own way.
02:19:55.000They don't have that monkey on their back.0.99
02:19:57.000Well, but then they have another monkey on their back, which is they live in this culture in which people think they're idiots because we read each other's bodies and we say there's something wrong with the way you're moving your body.1.00
02:22:01.000And then I just, I guess in the back of my mind, I'm like, it's going to make people feel their own inner space in a way that's going to be unique to them.
02:22:09.000And then it turns out I ended up feeling my own inner space in a way that was unique to me.
02:22:16.000So I ended up talking about this, this gifted and talented program I was in and all the receipts I had from that and what the heck was going on with that.
02:22:27.000It's funny to me how sometimes I'll swear and sometimes I'll say, heck.
02:22:45.000But what it did was open up for a lot of people who were in these weird, gifted, and talented programs, opened up a lot of memories.
02:22:55.000And I ended up starting a support group for people who had these experiences and kind of don't know what to do with them and still feel the surveillance and the sort of feeling of being studied throughout your whole life.
02:23:09.000And not knowing if your gifts are your own or if they were taught to you in some kind of way that you've forgotten.
02:23:16.000So, anyway, I don't know why I brought that up.
02:23:19.000I guess about the getting out of your own way thing, I had to write all that down.
02:23:52.000I imagine they were trying to get talent in any way they can, especially if they actually invested time and energy, and we know they have in remote viewing and things along those lines.
02:24:00.000But the problem is they were doing these.
02:24:11.000At the time that they were doing these programs and giving students these weird drinks and doing some kind of mechanism to remove memory of certain things, they were not asking for parental consent.
02:24:23.000So, yes, looking for talent, understood.
02:24:26.000Yes, trying to look for psychic, I mean, the intelligence community has always been interested in psychic capacities.
02:24:50.000There's two memory lapses that are very consistent.
02:24:54.000One was in seventh grade when I was explicitly told I was in a gifted program rather than my earlier years when I just had these pullouts and things.
02:25:02.000So, in seventh grade, I'm in what's called the SOAR program.
02:26:29.000And I took some time off of college to go hang out in Palo Alto because I had a boyfriend out there.
02:26:37.000I previously had a boyfriend out there and I was kind of into the Stanford world.
02:26:41.000I wasn't at Stanford, but I was just into hanging out there and I needed a job.
02:26:48.000And so I, it was the time when word processing was like you could get paid to be a word processor.
02:26:57.000And I understood computers and I was like, I'll be a word processor.
02:27:00.000So, I either got, I either saw an ad in the newspaper at Lockheed Martin or my dad told me, I know someone you should talk to at Lockheed Martin for a job.
02:27:09.000I end up at Lockheed Martin for an interview in the morning.
02:27:46.000And I feel like I'm typing up a resignation letter.
02:27:51.000But in my memory, it could have just been the thing I was typing up, like word processing.
02:27:56.000But I hand it to the boss and I go, I can't work here.
02:28:00.000And he said, Oh, I thought you would have a great future at Lockheed Martin.
02:28:03.000I'm like, Why would you say that to a 20 year old who you know is going back to college in like three months?
02:28:08.000Um, what a weird thing to say for a word processor who you just hired on that day, and then I left.
02:28:18.000So, um, I don't know what to say about those instances.
02:28:22.000My memory is usually pretty photographic, and my auditory memory is excellent.
02:28:26.000Um, so do you think that the people at Lockheed Martin somehow or another had a record of you being a part of this other program?
02:28:34.000I think that's one of the reasons why they hired you.
02:28:38.000I figure, or my dad knew that, and maybe.
02:28:42.000The memory of him telling me was a real memory.
02:28:46.000I mean, so he was working for the Department of Energy when I was a kid.
02:28:49.000And when I recently had a support group meeting like two days ago with the folks who were in these programs, and someone asked the question who here had parents who worked for either the public school system or federal government?
02:29:02.000And everyone raised their hand, and then I said, who here didn't?
02:29:05.000Like, let's just make sure, and no one didn't.
02:29:22.000And maybe it's like, excuse me, I get burpy when I talk about stuff that's hard.
02:29:32.000You know, maybe like I wanted to work for the federal government and I got a job offer and everything and went through the security clearance process and then Doge happened.
02:29:43.000But I was recruited four days after I filed a FOIA to try to get information about that program.
02:29:49.000And then a couple days later, more burpee, a couple days later, after I passed the first interview, I got a note from the FOIA people saying, Are you sure you want us to continue this FOIA request?
02:30:11.000And then I said, No, I guess maybe not, because I was thinking maybe the people who were going to hire me maybe didn't want me to have an outstanding FOIA request.
02:30:34.000So the thing that I think was wrong, unethical, was not giving students things to ingest and doing experiments that removed their memory without consent of parents and the students.
02:30:47.000And this is universal amongst all the other students.
02:31:35.000And so this is the thing that is just like, okay.
02:31:37.000It's just taking children and making, doing experiments on them.0.98
02:31:40.000It's like you're fucking weirding them out.0.97
02:31:42.000They're supposed to be playing with their friends and having fun and living a normal life.0.99
02:31:46.000You've all of a sudden changed all of that by introducing them to scientific experiments and making them drink fucking Pepto Bismol or whatever they've given you.0.99
02:33:39.000It just said, we have to do this on humans.0.52
02:33:41.000It was from the Nuclear Defense Agency.
02:33:43.000And so that made me start asking questions about whether this has to do with trying to understand the effect of radioactivity.
02:33:53.000And so I looked into a bunch of history and I found out that my mom grew up really poor.
02:34:01.000Both her parents worked at a uranium mining facility in Denver.
02:34:06.000And of course, her mother was a secretary, but her father was a miner.
02:34:10.000And he would come home with uranium dust on his boots.
02:34:15.000And so there's intergenerational exposure, right?
02:34:20.000So if you're a parent, if your mother, especially because, you know, the eggs are, she was like seven or so, but if the eggs are in you your whole life as a woman, right?
02:34:29.000And so if they get mutated, I could see now, oh, I would potentially be studied, and my sister as well.
02:34:37.000So then I started looking at all these places where these programs developed.
02:34:41.000The very first SOAR program was in the 70s and started in Aiken, South Carolina.
02:34:49.000I found a bunch of newspaper articles about it.
02:34:52.000SOAR at the time stood for, get this, students on active research.
02:34:58.000Like, let's just call it what it is out loud, publicly.
02:35:14.000But anyway, Aiken, South Carolina is right next to the Savannah River.
02:35:19.000Nuclear facility that processed plutonium.
02:35:22.000And so, and then there were a bunch of people who were in the SOAR program in Nevada, which is obviously a nuclear test site.
02:35:29.000And then I talked to a friend who knows a bunch of special forces guys, but he grew up in a place where they had these weird radioactivity like actual containers, like in their school, like storage bins in their school, which is just weird.
02:35:45.000And he was in one of these programs, and his friend was in one of these programs.
02:35:48.000And so I think there might be something related to that.
02:35:53.000Ties in, but the story I'm again, this is just speculation and based on the receipts that I found and putting things together could all be wrong.
02:36:02.000And some of my good friends in the intelligence community think it's pretty nuts.
02:36:06.000But regardless, I would want to understand the effects of radiation on the human mind.
02:36:12.000Maybe it could make positive things happen, like the at low level, at low levels, right?
02:36:18.000Maybe I'm as a cognitive neuroscientist, I get it, but you just have to ask for consent, you have to talk about the risks, you have to be clear about it, and you don't.
02:36:28.000It's clear that there's a file that kind of follows you, right, when you're in these programs.0.72
02:36:32.000Well, it's also very clear that if you look at the history of MKUltra, their whole motive operandi was just do everything you want to do.
02:36:59.000Well, yeah, and people like me whose families were breaking up, and also, you know, you're in the public school and your parents are trying to hold their shit together.0.99
02:37:10.000So they don't know what's going on.0.97
02:37:18.000And I understand that it may be for good reasons.
02:37:20.000I mean, I think all those things are true.
02:37:23.000And I think it's interesting that if you talk to kids who went to the gifted programs in the DC area in that same generation, They say none of this stuff happened to them, which is a red flag.
02:37:35.000It's like you wouldn't want to do it to the executives, they are living in the DC area, right?
02:37:40.000The executives in the intelligence community and in those contractors.
02:37:45.000So you wouldn't want to do it to those kids because those are the kids of the executives.
02:38:04.000It can go down a really bad rabbit hole.
02:38:05.000But that's what made me want to, all this kind of difficulty in my early childhood.
02:38:15.000Brought some clarity, and also, I guess, probably my psychic abilities or my precognitive abilities as an adult has brought some clarity around what really matters and what we can do to make the world a better place and how we can heal all that.
02:38:32.000Because every single person in that equation was doing the best they could, even if they were making shitty choices.
02:38:39.000You know, like someone, I can imagine the counselor who knows what's going on, whatever they're doing to me in that room, I can imagine she.
02:38:47.000You know, felt like, okay, I have to do this for the country.
02:38:51.000Yeah, we need to do this for the country and we need to do this for humanity, you know?
02:39:04.000Now I understand why what you were talking about, like your youthful experience, that you would want to live it over again so you could forgive people and get over the trauma of it.
02:39:52.000So, this is like a journaling, an audio journaling app that essentially prompts you to give messages to yourself.
02:40:02.000And it says it's going into your time machine.
02:40:04.000And then later it comes out and you hear yourself.
02:40:07.000And it has a bizarre impact because what happens is we're not used to hearing, we're used to getting little messages from ourselves, like written, but not your actual self talking to yourself.
02:40:21.000And it seems to be a real favorite of veterans and people who've experienced addiction and abuse, and any kind of situation where they could say, like, I'm going to be here tomorrow, and these are the choices I'd like to make, you know, and I'd like to love myself, and I'd like to feel love for other people.
02:40:39.000So we've used it at Cook County Jail with a group of people there who really found it powerful, and with a couple of native tribes who would like to change it a little bit and make it fit their culture a little better, but still.
02:40:57.000It looks like unconditional love itself, like from the math, if you look at the statistics of the results of this experiment we did, it looks like unconditional love itself caused a huge shift along with someone's time perspective, in which they started to include more, like started to love themselves over time more, like it's like a big bubble that extends over time.