The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2498 - Brendan Schaub

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00:00:13.000 Hey, hey, what's up, brother?

00:00:15.000 What's going on?

00:00:16.000 This is a good time for you to come in, man, right after this weekend.

00:00:19.000 It's a good time, brother. 1.00

00:00:19.000 Holy shit. 1.00

00:00:20.000 Bro, I mean, everybody's talking about the Sean Strickland Hamza fight and the debate, but before we even talk about that, bro, how fucking good is Joshua Vann? 0.99

00:00:32.000 And he's only been fighting about five years. 0.88

00:00:34.000 That's what's scary.

00:00:36.000 Crazy.

00:00:36.000 Five years.

00:00:37.000 Crazy.

00:00:38.000 And he has some holes for sure that certain guys are going to expose. 0.70

00:00:43.000 But five, think how.

00:00:45.000 He's not the best on the ground.

00:00:46.000 He's also 24.

00:00:47.000 He's 24, yeah. 0.81

00:00:49.000 Crazy athlete. 1.00

00:00:50.000 But his fucking boxing, it might be the best in the UFC. 1.00

00:00:55.000 It's up. 0.99

00:00:55.000 It's up there. 0.99

00:00:56.000 Him or Ilya?

00:00:57.000 Well, Ilya.

00:00:57.000 Yeah.

00:00:58.000 Ilya's pretty good.

00:00:58.000 The thing about Ilya is Ilya's one punch night night.

00:01:02.000 It's tough at flyweight to be a knockout artist.

00:01:02.000 That's the difference.

00:01:05.000 But then also, Josh.

00:01:06.000 David Davis and Figueredo.

00:01:07.000 True.

00:01:08.000 True.

00:01:09.000 He was starching people.

00:01:10.000 He was.

00:01:11.000 But with Josh, too, again, he's 24.

00:01:13.000 But in Tutsi or Tyra, he also just was blocking punches with his face.

00:01:19.000 Wow.

00:01:19.000 That's the other thing.

00:01:20.000 Like his defense was so bad.

00:01:22.000 I think it was that Joshua Vann's offense was so good.

00:01:26.000 I think it's a combo of both.

00:01:26.000 You know what?

00:01:27.000 Yeah.

00:01:28.000 Yeah, yeah, for sure.

00:01:28.000 It's a combo of both.

00:01:29.000 Because Tyra is primarily a grappler.

00:01:31.000 I mean, he's obviously a mixed martial arts fighter.

00:01:34.000 And he did strike.

00:01:35.000 I mean, that's why he didn't completely get blown out of the water.

00:01:39.000 He did strike pretty well.

00:01:41.000 It's just the counters came so clean, so sharp.

00:01:46.000 Like, I rewatched some of it today and I was like, good lord, that's pretty.

00:01:50.000 So good.

00:01:51.000 He looks so good.

00:01:52.000 And again, 24.

00:01:54.000 And, you know, it took all the stink off of the way he won the title.

00:01:58.000 Yeah, but not me, I'm sure not you, but there's a lot of questions that haven't been answered.

00:02:04.000 Oh, for sure. 1.00

00:02:05.000 Like, Pantoja's a motherfucker. 1.00

00:02:08.000 Pantoja, look at that assassin. 1.00

00:02:10.000 Okay.

00:02:11.000 How would he do against Pantosia?

00:02:12.000 Hey, man.

00:02:13.000 His stock went up after this fight, I'll tell you that.

00:02:16.000 Look, it was always up, right? 0.80

00:02:18.000 But Tyra was a real threat. 0.97

00:02:19.000 Tyra got him on the ground, wasn't able to submit him.

00:02:22.000 Joshua Vange pieced him up on the feet, man.

00:02:26.000 But again, at 24, so let's say they do the Pantosia rematch, whatever, Q4.

00:02:32.000 And let's say Pantosia gets that win.

00:02:34.000 All good?

00:02:35.000 He's 24.

00:02:37.000 Right.

00:02:37.000 He's going to be your champ for a very long time.

00:02:39.000 And how old is Alexandre Pantosia at this point?

00:02:42.000 Not young.

00:02:43.000 In flyweight years, he's 67.

00:02:45.000 Yeah, flyweight's tough.

00:02:48.000 36.

00:02:49.000 Yeah, that's tough.

00:02:50.000 Yeah.

00:02:50.000 That's tough.

00:02:51.000 If he was a middleweight, you'd be like, hmm, that's the beginning of the slide.

00:02:55.000 Right?

00:02:55.000 That's the beginning of the slide.

00:02:56.000 Yeah.

00:02:57.000 For welterweight, you're like, ooh.

00:02:58.000 Yeah.

00:02:59.000 But at flyweight, it's crazy.

00:03:02.000 Yeah.

00:03:02.000 Heavyweight is like, oh, he's in his prime.

00:03:04.000 Oh, we're cooking it.

00:03:05.000 Look at Francis.

00:03:05.000 Yeah.

00:03:06.000 Francis is like 38 or something.

00:03:08.000 Yeah.

00:03:08.000 Is it 38?

00:03:09.000 Francis is in his prime.

00:03:09.000 Yeah.

00:03:11.000 Flyweight, though.

00:03:11.000 Nobody looks at Francis and goes eyes over the hill.

00:03:13.000 Oh, never.

00:03:14.000 No.

00:03:14.000 Not at all.

00:03:15.000 No. 0.99

00:03:15.000 There's some old cats at heavyweight doing the damn thing, especially now. 0.99

00:03:18.000 The heavyweight division's. 0.99

00:03:19.000 How old is Volkov?

00:03:21.000 59.

00:03:24.000 Honestly, I used to train with Volkov back in the day.

00:03:27.000 Right.

00:03:28.000 He was a Bellator champion, M1 champion.

00:03:31.000 He was a Bellator champion in the early days of Bellator.

00:03:34.000 Yeah, and remember he had in Bellator?

00:03:35.000 And when he first got to UFC, he had that Moana tattoo on his back.

00:03:39.000 He had the stingray.

00:03:41.000 And he changed it into that Japanese mask. 0.97

00:03:43.000 Yeah, I like this.

00:03:44.000 The new one looks dope.

00:03:46.000 The new one looks dope.

00:03:47.000 So dope.

00:03:47.000 I like to think I'm the one that kind of bullied him into doing that because I.

00:03:51.000 It's all I ever talked about for like six years when he fought. 0.97

00:03:55.000 And he comes out with just this dope ass samurai tattoo. 0.90

00:03:57.000 I'm like, yeah, there it is. 0.96

00:03:58.000 Well, sometimes you realize, like, this ain't making it.

00:04:00.000 I gotta fix this.

00:04:02.000 Yeah, especially that. 0.98

00:04:03.000 People are like, bro, why do you have a fucking stingray on your back? 0.94

00:04:06.000 Bro, speaking of tattoos, how many tattoos does Sean Brady have? 1.00

00:04:08.000 That motherfucker's feet are tattooed. 1.00

00:04:10.000 Bro. 1.00

00:04:11.000 Like his entire body's tattooed.

00:04:12.000 How good did he look?

00:04:13.000 Phenomenal.

00:04:14.000 This thing might be phenomenal.

00:04:16.000 I always get stressed out because everyone's asking for betting picks before the fights.

00:04:20.000 And MMA's tough, dude. 0.99

00:04:21.000 MMA's tough to fucking pick. 0.99

00:04:23.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:04:23.000 So with the Joaquin Buckley fight, the reason I told my brother, I'm like, literally put your mortgage on Sean Brady. 0.98

00:04:31.000 Because Joaquin Buckley did an interview like a week before, was like, I'm not even working on grappling.

00:04:36.000 I'm not wrestling or grappling. 0.99

00:04:37.000 I'm just going to keep this thing standing and knock this motherfucker out. 1.00

00:04:40.000 I was like, oh, buddy. 1.00

00:04:42.000 No way.

00:04:42.000 He really said that?

00:04:43.000 Yeah, you can find it out there, James.

00:04:44.000 But that could have been just a bullshit tactic to try to get Sean Brady, because Sean Brady probably saw that interview too. 0.63

00:04:50.000 Yeah, and was like, cool, say less. 0.95

00:04:51.000 And then just.

00:04:52.000 I know, but I mean.

00:04:53.000 10, seven rounds?

00:04:55.000 Three of them?

00:04:56.000 It was nuts.

00:04:56.000 I know.

00:04:57.000 But I mean, you could say that.

00:05:00.000 I hear you.

00:05:00.000 If you were just playing mental games.

00:05:03.000 But maybe he actually did that.

00:05:03.000 I get you.

00:05:05.000 And it appeared so.

00:05:06.000 Well, hard to say.

00:05:08.000 Because that's how good Sean Brady is.

00:05:10.000 Hard to say.

00:05:11.000 It's just tough when you lose like that. 0.99

00:05:13.000 Because you go back to the locker room, you're like, fuck, we're not even in the same ballpark. 0.98

00:05:21.000 Like, I'm, what am I going to do? 0.99

00:05:21.000 No. 0.99

00:05:23.000 You look at your coaching staff, you go, what are we going to do?

00:05:25.000 I thought I was a top five guy.

00:05:28.000 I just got beat 10 6.

00:05:30.000 Okay, I was going to bring this up.

00:05:30.000 Three rounds in a row?

00:05:32.000 So I have some insight to this.

00:05:34.000 So there was some very strange betting behavior.

00:05:37.000 It says it turns out to be meaningless.

00:05:39.000 Bet online cited abnormal betting patterns as Buckley moved.

00:05:43.000 From plus 150 underdog to minus 220 favorite before the fight.

00:05:48.000 So, this is what happened.

00:05:50.000 There was money that moved very quickly before the fight. 0.92

00:05:53.000 And the UFC, obviously, because they've been through this shit with the guys fixing fights and the FBI investigated it, they got concerned. 0.78

00:06:02.000 And so, I believe what happened is they minimized the amount that you could bet online. 0.91

00:06:08.000 So, you couldn't bet big money anymore.

00:06:10.000 I don't know what the cap, let's find out what the cap they put on it was.

00:06:14.000 But then you.

00:06:18.000 They were going to go ahead with the fight, but they wanted to make sure that Sean Brady wasn't injured.

00:06:21.000 So, this was the fear.

00:06:22.000 The fear was that some inside camp word got out.

00:06:25.000 Sean Brady's got an injury, and then all the money jumps up.

00:06:28.000 Because a lot of times that's what happens.

00:06:30.000 But they did it right because before they would just cancel the fight.

00:06:33.000 Like, we don't know what's going on.

00:06:34.000 We're just going to cancel the fight.

00:06:35.000 No, just take the fight off the betting sites.

00:06:38.000 Well, they only did that one time.

00:06:40.000 They did that one time with Alexander Hernandez.

00:06:42.000 I don't remember who he was fighting.

00:06:45.000 I don't remember who Alexander Hernandez was fighting.

00:06:47.000 But they did that with that fight.

00:06:49.000 And I thought that was really crazy.

00:06:51.000 Crazy.

00:06:51.000 They asked Alexander, like, are you okay?

00:06:53.000 He's like, I'm fine.

00:06:54.000 Like, I am planning on winning this fight.

00:06:56.000 But for some reason, he became an underdog.

00:06:59.000 Like, nothing came out from it either.

00:07:01.000 No.

00:07:02.000 Like, I wish they'd be a little more transparent.

00:07:03.000 Like, hey, we look into it.

00:07:05.000 It's our bat, this, you know?

00:07:06.000 But they just canceled the fight.

00:07:08.000 And so everyone, now we just assume something happened.

00:07:11.000 Something happened.

00:07:12.000 Somebody's being dirty.

00:07:13.000 But then Hernandez fought again and lost his next fight.

00:07:13.000 Yeah.

00:07:17.000 Fakudity fight.

00:07:19.000 He fought someone on a fight night.

00:07:21.000 It was a very good fight.

00:07:22.000 Very close fight.

00:07:23.000 The dude was very good.

00:07:24.000 But I'm glad they're not just pulling the fight.

00:07:28.000 Oh, Michael Johnson.

00:07:29.000 It was supposed to be Michael Johnson.

00:07:31.000 But they didn't have that fight.

00:07:33.000 And then who did he fight next instead?

00:07:37.000 So let's just go over this real quick before we figure out who he fought amid suspicious betting movement.

00:07:42.000 So, what is suspicious betting movement? 1.00

00:07:44.000 Like, what if you and your boys all go, fuck it, I'm going all in? 0.99

00:07:48.000 And you just decide to bet $100,000 on Buckley? 1.00

00:07:52.000 Will that change it that dramatically?

00:07:53.000 I don't think we're talking about this.

00:07:55.000 According to this, I think it said that they had certain accounts that they knew.

00:08:01.000 Oh, were shady?

00:08:02.000 Not shady, but I mean, they might be particular whales or whatever that are certain bettors that always were betting $200,000 a fight or whatever, and maybe one or two of them changed.

00:08:13.000 Two of the judges scored that fight.

00:08:14.000 I'm trying to see.

00:08:16.000 325.

00:08:17.000 Abnormal betting patterns from highly monitored accounts.

00:08:21.000 Interesting.

00:08:22.000 Highly monitored accounts is interesting.

00:08:25.000 Bro, you better get a new account.

00:08:26.000 You better figure it out. 1.00

00:08:28.000 They're on to you, bitch. 1.00

00:08:29.000 But it just. 1.00

00:08:29.000 They also said that they called Sean Brady here at the bottom. 1.00

00:08:31.000 I was going to point out.

00:08:33.000 Someone called him to let him know, and he's like, well, I'm fine. 0.99

00:08:36.000 He goes, I'm going to beat the shit out of this guy. 0.98

00:08:36.000 I love it. 0.98

00:08:38.000 And they're like, yeah, you're good to go.

00:08:38.000 What are you talking about?

00:08:40.000 I think that's what Alexander Hernandez said, too.

00:08:42.000 That's a bummer.

00:08:43.000 Yeah, it is a bummer.

00:08:44.000 But you can also understand from the UFC standpoint being like, because when it happened, especially then, they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

00:08:51.000 Oh, yeah. 0.98

00:08:52.000 No, they're in a bad spot right now with that because until that gets resolved, look, the fight game has always been connected to fucking shady people. 0.98

00:08:52.000 Whoa, whoa. 0.98

00:09:03.000 Always.

00:09:04.000 That's a Marlon Brando movie on the waterfront.

00:09:06.000 I could have been a contender.

00:09:08.000 Yep.

00:09:08.000 You know?

00:09:09.000 Yeah.

00:09:10.000 That's who he lost to.

00:09:11.000 Oh, that's right.

00:09:12.000 Hoffa Garcia.

00:09:13.000 Very good fight.

00:09:14.000 Very good fight.

00:09:15.000 Hoffa did a phenomenal job.

00:09:18.000 But I think, too, back to the betting, I think that's also a reason why now more than ever fighters are getting so much hate.

00:09:24.000 Because if you have a nine to five and you make $1,000 a week and you put $500 on, say, Hamzat, and he loses that $500, that's why it's so toxic now.

00:09:35.000 Because, yeah, your guy's losing, but now it's costing you money.

00:09:38.000 So I think that's why fighters are getting so much more hate these days than they did.

00:09:41.000 Even when I was fighting, betting was the main thing.

00:09:43.000 No, I think you're absolutely right.

00:09:45.000 I think it's Rafa Garcia.

00:09:46.000 Is it Rafa or Hoffa?

00:09:47.000 Why am I saying it wrong?

00:09:48.000 I feel like it's Rafa.

00:09:49.000 I think so, too.

00:09:50.000 I think I want Brazilian on me for a minute there.

00:09:52.000 Yeah, you made a real good point about the betting because that's why people are getting so upset because they are betting money on it.

00:09:59.000 It's a big problem with some people.

00:10:01.000 With some people, the ability to just bet on anything anytime you want.

00:10:05.000 And now it's like.

00:10:08.000 Polymarket and all these different things. 0.99

00:10:09.000 You could bet on, you know, fucking anything. 0.99

00:10:12.000 Anything. 1.00

00:10:13.000 Anything. 1.00

00:10:14.000 How about that fucking soldier that got busted? 1.00

00:10:17.000 Didn't move. 1.00

00:10:18.000 He bet that Maduro was going to get kidnapped.

00:10:21.000 Dude, if you don't, but my thing is, it's like the Pete Rose thing.

00:10:25.000 At least Pete Rose is betting on his team to win.

00:10:27.000 Right. 1.00

00:10:28.000 This dude was betting on his fucking team to win. 1.00

00:10:30.000 Right. 1.00

00:10:30.000 Don't discipline him. 1.00

00:10:31.000 If you don't think Trump's giving him a pardon, you're out of your goddamn mind. 0.99

00:10:34.000 Well, that guy's awesome. 0.99

00:10:36.000 That's a weird one.

00:10:38.000 That's a weird one.

00:10:39.000 But I mean, why is that bad?

00:10:41.000 But the insider trading in Congress goes unchecked.

00:10:44.000 Oh, my God.

00:10:45.000 Like, that.

00:10:46.000 Bro.

00:10:46.000 That's crazy.

00:10:48.000 Like, if you get mad at that, people, what a hypocrite. 1.00

00:10:50.000 You're also dealing with mad at that guy? 0.99

00:10:51.000 Yeah, he's a special forces guy who.

00:10:53.000 It's not like they're compensated that great.

00:10:55.000 Right. 1.00

00:10:56.000 And he was like, oh, I'm going to bet the house that we fucking get this idiot. 1.00

00:10:59.000 Right. 1.00

00:10:59.000 And by the way, he's betting on himself because it didn't have to happen. 1.00

00:11:03.000 It didn't have to work.

00:11:03.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:11:04.000 It could have all got killed.

00:11:05.000 It's like Pete Rose, too.

00:11:06.000 It's like, keep him on Hall of Fame.

00:11:07.000 I think they're going to let him in now that he died.

00:11:09.000 Oh, great.

00:11:10.000 Yeah, cool.

00:11:10.000 That helps.

00:11:11.000 But it's also like he never bet against his team.

00:11:11.000 Thank you.

00:11:14.000 It's pretty gangster.

00:11:16.000 I don't know if that's true.

00:11:18.000 I don't know.

00:11:18.000 I'm pretty sure.

00:11:19.000 Jamie, look that shit up. 1.00

00:11:20.000 I read something online that he might have bet against his team at least on one game. 0.99

00:11:27.000 I don't know if that's true, though.

00:11:28.000 I'm rooting for Pete Rose.

00:11:29.000 But I just read something.

00:11:30.000 I mean, they might have been a Pete Rose hater.

00:11:32.000 That's what I thought.

00:11:33.000 That's what I thought.

00:11:34.000 I mean, if he only bet for his team, I feel like that should be legal.

00:11:37.000 That's like this special forces guy.

00:11:37.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:11:39.000 What, you're trying to win harder?

00:11:40.000 You're trying to win harder because you want money?

00:11:42.000 Yeah.

00:11:43.000 That would be good.

00:11:44.000 A special force guy, like, dude, you're really into this.

00:11:46.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:11:46.000 He's like, fuck yeah, dude. 1.00

00:11:48.000 I got a million bucks right on this. 0.99

00:11:49.000 No confirmed evidence has ever been produced that Pete Rose bet against his own team.

00:11:53.000 The Cincinnati Reds, though, there's some speculation.

00:11:53.000 There you go.

00:11:56.000 All official speculation.

00:11:59.000 I must have read speculation. 1.00

00:12:04.000 I mean, what the fuck? 0.99

00:12:05.000 You say, Personal believes Pete Rose probably bet against the Reds at some point, John Dowd said, but even he has acknowledged that his investigation did not produce conclusive proof of such bets. 0.99

00:12:18.000 So I feel like you should be able to bet on yourself as a fighter.

00:12:21.000 I feel like you should be able to bet on yourself as a baseball player.

00:12:24.000 Why not?

00:12:25.000 You're just betting to win.

00:12:27.000 Now, betting to lose.

00:12:28.000 Different story.

00:12:29.000 Different story.

00:12:30.000 But bet, so if you're just saying, is that because you can't tell them how to bet?

00:12:35.000 Like, if you're going to let them bet, they have to be able to bet on whatever they want.

00:12:38.000 Like, man, I don't know if I'm going to win this fight.

00:12:41.000 I'm going to try.

00:12:43.000 I'm going to try, but I think I might lose.

00:12:45.000 So let me just see if I can make a little extra money just in case I lose.

00:12:48.000 Say, I tried my hardest.

00:12:49.000 I lost, but.

00:12:50.000 Still made some money.

00:12:51.000 Made some money.

00:12:52.000 Yeah, that's good.

00:12:53.000 It just opens a can of worms you don't want to deal with.

00:12:53.000 That's good.

00:12:55.000 Well, the problem is.

00:12:56.000 Nobody's betting.

00:12:57.000 Right, because then what if you won?

00:12:58.000 You're like, I won. 1.00

00:12:59.000 Yeah, but I lost money because I. Fucking bet against myself like an idiot, yeah. 1.00

00:13:03.000 Right, you made no money this fight. 1.00

00:13:06.000 You'd have to be a fucking psycho like to try to win, knowing this is gonna cost you money like your whole camp, paying your fucking traders, your manager, everything. 1.00

00:13:16.000 Fucking nightmare. 1.00

00:13:17.000 What's like the Hamzat Strickland fight? 0.99

00:13:20.000 You and I, right when that fight got announced, we text each other and I went, Good fight, good fight.

00:13:24.000 I know everyone's gonna, you know, Hamzat's a big favorite, but we both went, I don't know, man. 0.99

00:13:29.000 I can see it. 0.99

00:13:30.000 I was nut riding for Strickland the whole time. 1.00

00:13:32.000 I was like, that guy is the fucking captain of the deep water. 0.99

00:13:36.000 He knows how to go into deep water, man. 1.00

00:13:38.000 And he knows how to survive.

00:13:40.000 He can survive. 0.93

00:13:41.000 And the thing about Hamzat is, if he takes you down, he wants to hold you down and just beat on you and not expand a lot of energy like he did with Drekus. 0.90

00:13:50.000 That's an issue.

00:13:50.000 You can't do that with Sean.

00:13:52.000 Sean is not going to sit still.

00:13:53.000 He's very hard to hold down.

00:13:54.000 He's got super underrated grappling, super underrated.

00:13:59.000 You know, we saw he almost threw Hamzat, like later in the fight, you know, and he did wind up on top multiple times.

00:14:04.000 Like, it's.

00:14:06.000 He ain't easy for anybody.

00:14:09.000 Far from it.

00:14:10.000 And he had a blown out shoulder.

00:14:12.000 Boom.

00:14:12.000 That's the other thing.

00:14:13.000 Everyone's like, well, you know, Hamzat was compromised because the weight cut.

00:14:16.000 It's like, well, hold on.

00:14:17.000 Sean had one arm. 0.99

00:14:18.000 Sean had one fucking arm. 0.99

00:14:20.000 And when he dittoed that right hand in that second round, he wobbled Hamzat. 0.99

00:14:23.000 No one wants to talk about that. 0.56

00:14:24.000 The most significant punch was in the second round. 0.98

00:14:26.000 He flash knocks out Hamzat. 1.00

00:14:26.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:14:27.000 And Hamzat's like, oops. 0.93

00:14:28.000 And he probably fucking jolted his shoulder with pain. 0.97

00:14:31.000 And I still defended David. 0.98

00:14:32.000 I noticed he was doing this at the beginning of the fight.

00:14:35.000 Before the fight started, he was doing this with his arm.

00:14:38.000 So he's warming up.

00:14:39.000 He keeps doing this.

00:14:39.000 He's doing this.

00:14:40.000 But he kept doing this with his right arm.

00:14:41.000 I'm like, ooh, that's what I do if my shoulders hurt to see how hurt it is.

00:14:45.000 Yep.

00:14:46.000 How does it feel?

00:14:46.000 Feel the range.

00:14:47.000 Yeah.

00:14:47.000 How does it feel?

00:14:48.000 And he was only going to here.

00:14:50.000 He was only going to here.

00:14:51.000 But deadpan killer look on his face.

00:14:51.000 He kept doing it.

00:14:54.000 That motherfucker still won. 1.00

00:14:56.000 Here's my thing about it. 1.00

00:14:56.000 Still won. 1.00

00:14:56.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:14:57.000 Still fought.

00:14:58.000 A lot of guys would have pulled out.

00:15:00.000 Couldn't have.

00:15:00.000 A lot of guys would have said, I can't use my arm.

00:15:02.000 I'm pulling out.

00:15:03.000 Especially for that magnitude of a fight.

00:15:05.000 I think with Strickland, too, now that he won, people are like, oh, is he a Hall of Famer?

00:15:09.000 1000%.

00:15:10.000 100%.

00:15:11.000 He's a Hall of Famer.

00:15:12.000 My thing with Strickland, too, it's like he's going to be a bigger star now more than ever.

00:15:16.000 I think that fight is the one that put him even bigger.

00:15:20.000 The thing about Strickland is he's the guy that's not supposed to be here. 0.99

00:15:25.000 Like everyone, when we talk about Chechnyans or Dagestanians or wherever these war tone countries are from, and they're like, this is the only way they made it out. 0.94

00:15:33.000 Dude, Strickland grew up a poor white kid in America, disenfranchised. 0.70

00:15:38.000 Dude had an abusive father.

00:15:40.000 The odds are so against Strickland.

00:15:43.000 So against Strickland. 0.99

00:15:44.000 And this motherfucker beat Argly, the best striker in the middleweight division of all time, when Izzy Adesanya beat him at striking, at fucking striking in Australia. 0.99

00:15:55.000 And then they give him Argly, the best grappler of all time in the middleweight division, and he beats him. 0.99

00:16:00.000 So he, we're all of you listening, all you guys are closer to Sean Strickland than you are to LeBron James or Patrick Mahomes. 0.96

00:16:08.000 He's just a tough white kid who trains his ass off. 0.93

00:16:12.000 He's a blue collar guy. 0.98

00:16:13.000 He doesn't run a 40 and a 4 4.

00:16:15.000 He doesn't have a 40 inch vertical.

00:16:17.000 He's got one bad leg.

00:16:19.000 From a motorcycle accident that almost ruined his whole career.

00:16:22.000 I get chills talking about it. 0.66

00:16:25.000 Dude, he's that blue collar guy through hard fucking work, he is a Hall of Famer, bona fide Hall of Famer, and beat two of the greatest middleweights of all time. 0.94

00:16:35.000 In all his fights, he's an underdog. 0.98

00:16:37.000 Fluffy, underdog.

00:16:38.000 DDP, underdog.

00:16:39.000 Granted, he lost, but I thought he won that first fight.

00:16:41.000 Hamza, massive underdog.

00:16:42.000 Izzy, massive underdog. 0.99

00:16:44.000 Second fight with DDP, he fucked his shoulder up too. 1.00

00:16:47.000 Driving a dirt bike like a fucking psychopath. 1.00

00:16:49.000 Crazy. 1.00

00:16:50.000 Crashed his dirt bike, fucked his shoulder up, and they told him you had to fight. 1.00

00:16:54.000 So you had to take the fight. 1.00

00:16:55.000 So you had to take the fight with a fucked up shoulder. 0.98

00:16:57.000 And one of the things you notice about when he's throwing right hands, in particular in this fight, I noticed they were awkward sometimes. 0.98

00:17:05.000 Yes.

00:17:06.000 Sometimes they just looked weird.

00:17:07.000 Like he was trying not to use his shoulder or something.

00:17:10.000 He compromised.

00:17:11.000 Yes, 100%.

00:17:12.000 And I saw some of that in the second Strickland, the second DDP fight, where it looked like he was kind of throwing his punches weird.

00:17:21.000 You know, which sometimes he does anyway because he goes around the guards.

00:17:24.000 It's awkward.

00:17:25.000 It's strategic. 0.99

00:17:26.000 He's throwing shit that you're not going to block correctly, and then he's going to land you clean shots. 0.99

00:17:26.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:17:31.000 But when you see him when there's nothing wrong with him, like he had this giant break because he punched somebody in some fucking low level promotion. 0.97

00:17:39.000 Oh, that's right. 0.97

00:17:40.000 Yeah.

00:17:40.000 Got in the cage and punched somebody.

00:17:43.000 Yeah.

00:17:44.000 He's a wild boy.

00:17:44.000 So they gave him.

00:17:45.000 He's a wild boy.

00:17:46.000 So they gave him like an eight month suspension, something like that, six month suspension, whatever it was. 0.97

00:17:53.000 So, you see him against Hernandez when he's perfect and he looks fucking phenomenal.

00:17:57.000 Best I've ever seen.

00:17:58.000 His striking looked phenomenal.

00:18:01.000 Everything looked phenomenal.

00:18:02.000 And I'm like, oh God, he looks like a better version of the guy who beat Izzy.

00:18:06.000 He looked better.

00:18:07.000 Best we've ever seen.

00:18:08.000 And then he beats Hamza with one shoulder.

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00:19:10.000 And so if you count them out based on that fight, I thought Hamza won.

00:19:15.000 Look, it's a lot of people that know fighting thought Hamza won.

00:19:15.000 A lot of people did.

00:19:19.000 There's a lot, I think it's split among journalists.

00:19:22.000 I think I was reading something.

00:19:23.000 It's easy on a journalist to read.

00:19:25.000 I'm not going to read anything, by the way.

00:19:26.000 I really read the headlines and then I move on.

00:19:28.000 You gotta be careful with journalists.

00:19:31.000 I'll listen to former fighters or people that have been around the game a long, long time.

00:19:37.000 If you have Hamza winning, yeah, okay.

00:19:39.000 Nobody was robbed, but I can give you a pretty good argument why Circle won that fight.

00:19:43.000 You know, I can give you.

00:19:43.000 Yes.

00:19:44.000 A damn good argument. 0.99

00:19:45.000 I think he won the fight. 0.99

00:19:46.000 I was talking to him inside the octagon before the fight.

00:19:49.000 He said, What do you think?

00:19:49.000 And I said, It was really close.

00:19:51.000 It was really close.

00:19:52.000 Because you really never know with judging.

00:19:54.000 We've both seen fights where we were sure that one guy won and the other guy gets it from the judge.

00:19:59.000 So you don't know.

00:20:01.000 So, in my opinion, I would have to go over it and watch it again.

00:20:05.000 Because when I call fights, I'm just calling them.

00:20:08.000 It's tough.

00:20:09.000 I'm not really scoring them.

00:20:10.000 Super tough.

00:20:11.000 It's weird.

00:20:11.000 Because what you're trying to do is make.

00:20:15.000 Some entertainment out of moments and put some weight to it and express maybe to people that don't know exactly what's going on.

00:20:22.000 You're also listening to your other partners in the booth.

00:20:25.000 Right.

00:20:25.000 Well, DC's great at that.

00:20:27.000 DC is the best at explaining shit to people that don't know what's going on when it comes to wrestling in particular because he's such an elite wrestler. 0.91

00:20:34.000 And there was a lot of wrestling moments in that. 0.97

00:20:37.000 So that's what you're doing.

00:20:38.000 So you're not really judging the fight.

00:20:40.000 If you're judging, you'd be silent.

00:20:42.000 Like Eddie Bravo used to judge fights unofficially for the UFC in the early days.

00:20:46.000 And what Eddie would do is he would write.

00:20:48.000 He would have a piece of paper and draw a line down the middle for each guy.

00:20:51.000 And then he would have categories strikes, kicks landed, punches landed, takedowns, submission attempts.

00:20:57.000 He would mark all these different things.

00:20:59.000 Like every time something would happen, he would mark it down.

00:21:02.000 And then he would also go by who landed the most damage.

00:21:05.000 And he was really good at it.

00:21:07.000 Like he was very accurate in terms of like, I never disagreed with him.

00:21:10.000 I was like, that makes sense.

00:21:11.000 But if your intention is to score the fight, like you don't have to be entertaining and do the commentating, I can do that.

00:21:17.000 It's like I do commentate for a game, bread, and there's a fight, fight of the night.

00:21:21.000 And Jimmy Smith is going, Who do you think won?

00:21:23.000 I said, Dude, this isn't the time to ask because I was entertained by the fight.

00:21:28.000 We're doing our thing.

00:21:29.000 Right, right, right.

00:21:30.000 I go home and watch it.

00:21:30.000 I'll let you know exactly who won.

00:21:32.000 Right.

00:21:32.000 It's such a close fight.

00:21:33.000 I don't know, dude.

00:21:34.000 Especially wars, especially a crazy war.

00:21:37.000 It's so hard to figure out who won.

00:21:39.000 Some wars, like, let's, you know, think of like, what if Tyra and Joshua Van had made it to the end?

00:21:48.000 That's a tough one.

00:21:49.000 That's a tough one.

00:21:50.000 I mean, Joshua Van definitely did more damage, 100%.

00:21:53.000 Which is the number one thing they.

00:21:54.000 Are supposed to judge it on.

00:21:56.000 So I would judge that in favor.

00:21:58.000 We had a conversation about the Gomez fight.

00:22:01.000 Who was Gomez fighting?

00:22:08.000 Pat Sabatini.

00:22:09.000 So Pat Sabatini was fighting Gomez, and all Pat Sabatini did was clench him and try to take him down.

00:22:14.000 Took him down a couple times, but when they were standing up, Gomez, Pat landed a few strikes, definitely.

00:22:19.000 It wasn't like he was completely outclassed on the feet, but Gomez landed more.

00:22:22.000 So I'm like, okay, I know Pat spent the majority of the fight in control, the majority of the fight clenching, the majority of the fight.

00:22:29.000 Working towards the takedown.

00:22:30.000 That's the menu fights.

00:22:31.000 But it was unsuccessful for the most part.

00:22:33.000 Gomez bounced back up to his feet every time, never took any damage on the ground, never got close to being submitted.

00:22:39.000 And then when they stood up, Gomez was the one who was going after him, landing strikes.

00:22:44.000 I don't know if it was enough to win, though, because it's like there wasn't a lot of damage.

00:22:48.000 It wasn't like he hit Pat and Pat got rocked and Pat went down, and there was none of that.

00:22:52.000 But Gomez was doing better in the stand up, which when it comes to damage, that was the only damage of the fight.

00:22:59.000 But the other thing you got to take in.

00:23:01.000 It's like I love DC, it's one of my favorites.

00:23:04.000 But DC has an extensive wrestling background.

00:23:07.000 So he's usually gonna, not that he means to, but because he has such an extensive wrestling background, if you listen to Kamara Usman, Henry Cejudo, most of them will score that fight for Hamza because of the wrestling involved.

00:23:20.000 But if you talk to someone else who doesn't have a wrestling background or it's more of a striking background, most of them score it for Strickland.

00:23:26.000 So you always gotta, I take it with a little bit of grain of salt.

00:23:29.000 When those guys, heavy wrestlers, If there's wrestling, but they weren't successful, like takedowns were successful, they're like, that's a takedown. 0.86

00:23:35.000 But he didn't do shit with it, though. 0.91

00:23:36.000 There's also the Strickland factor. 0.98

00:23:39.000 There's a lot of people that he rubs the wrong way.

00:23:42.000 Boom. 1.00

00:23:43.000 And they don't want him to win because of the wild shit that he says offstage. 1.00

00:23:48.000 Listen, sometimes he goes too far. 1.00

00:23:50.000 He said he went too far.

00:23:51.000 He apologized for going too far. 0.99

00:23:53.000 But goddamn, did he sell some tickets? 0.98

00:23:55.000 I like what you said, though. 0.99

00:23:56.000 You said, don't apologize.

00:23:57.000 You're selling a fight.

00:23:58.000 That's my thing, too.

00:23:58.000 Yeah.

00:23:59.000 It's like, whoa, no, no, don't apologize.

00:24:01.000 Don't apologize for any of that.

00:24:02.000 Because on Monday, I was so excited to get in the studio.

00:24:07.000 I was so excited.

00:24:08.000 I felt like, for the first time in a long time, the UFC's back.

00:24:13.000 I felt bad.

00:24:14.000 Back, man.

00:24:14.000 It's like, you really think the UFC has gone away?

00:24:16.000 No, no, no, I'm not saying that.

00:24:18.000 What do you mean by that?

00:24:18.000 Don't get to it.

00:24:19.000 I'm saying, as far as like, uh, Connor Khabib, like, bad blood, big time, couldn't wait, right? 0.51

00:24:26.000 Like, I, dude, I was counting, I was tech day before I'm tech, dude, I can't fucking wait. 0.98

00:24:30.000 It was like, I was so hyped for this fucking fight, dude. 0.83

00:24:33.000 Yeah, it just felt like, you know, those Connor Day, Khabib days, those are over. 0.98

00:24:38.000 But this one, the magnitude of it, and I usually can tell when a fight's gonna be really big because I'm always at baseball fields and football fields, and dads will come, like, dude, you think Strickland has a chance?

00:24:48.000 I'm like, You watch Fighting? 0.99

00:24:50.000 Like, oh shit. 1.00

00:24:51.000 I was like, this can be huge, dude. 1.00

00:24:53.000 This can be fucking big, dude. 0.94

00:24:55.000 It was huge. 0.99

00:24:56.000 And it was huge because of the way Sean sold it.

00:24:58.000 100%.

00:24:59.000 Not just that Sean has a ton of fans, for sure, you know, but it was the way he sold it.

00:25:05.000 The chaos.

00:25:06.000 People love it.

00:25:07.000 They love that.

00:25:08.000 And especially casuals, they love the chaos.

00:25:11.000 I love it too.

00:25:12.000 I love it too.

00:25:13.000 Sean, he makes things fun.

00:25:14.000 Makes things fun.

00:25:15.000 And then people get so mad, you know, some of the stuff he says, but it's like, there's a lane for that.

00:25:20.000 Hate to tell you, there's a lane for that.

00:25:22.000 And, I think Strickland, you've been around Strickland.

00:25:26.000 He's a good person.

00:25:28.000 He obviously has some crazy thoughts and stuff like that, which is fine.

00:25:31.000 But remember, too, people go, UFC doesn't have stars.

00:25:34.000 And then you get a kid like Strickland, who's building his name.

00:25:37.000 It's going to be the most watched fight, one of the third most watched Wayne's of all time.

00:25:41.000 So he's trying to be a star.

00:25:43.000 So you guys are complaining there's no stars. 0.99

00:25:44.000 And then when he's doing the damn thing, you guys are hating on him. 0.98

00:25:47.000 So it's like, pick your poison. 0.99

00:25:49.000 Well, they're hating by the way he's doing it, right?

00:25:53.000 That he's making things super personal.

00:25:56.000 But.

00:25:57.000 This is what Connor did. 1.00

00:25:59.000 I mean, that's what Connor did with Khabib. 0.98

00:26:00.000 Connor crossed the line many times with Khabib. 0.99

00:26:02.000 Oh, buddy. 1.00

00:26:03.000 The line's here.

00:26:04.000 Connor was all the way over here.

00:26:05.000 And there was no apologizing after that. 0.86

00:26:07.000 I mean, that was the brawl afterwards where Khabib, you know, jumped in the crowd and fucked up Dylan. 0.99

00:26:11.000 That was my favorite. 1.00

00:26:13.000 That's my favorite picture of all time. 1.00

00:26:14.000 I need a frame in my fucking suit. 1.00

00:26:15.000 When Khabib's literally flying off the fucking cage, about to fucking. 0.99

00:26:20.000 But remember, before that fight, in the fight, Khabib was all professional. 0.99

00:26:25.000 He was all good. 0.99

00:26:26.000 As soon as that motherfucker ended, he's like, now it's time to get to work. 1.00

00:26:30.000 Yeah! 1.00

00:26:31.000 Dude, that is a crazy world champion.

00:26:35.000 Just got done stopping Conor McGregor, and he's leaping into the crowd just like his nickname.

00:26:42.000 And super, he's the eagle.

00:26:43.000 Yeah, the eagle. 0.99

00:26:44.000 His talons are fucking out for his legs. 0.98

00:26:47.000 I mean, you couldn't come up with a better nickname for that dude. 0.99

00:26:50.000 You know how Dan Henderson has that flying punch that he landed on Bissing when Bissing was down?

00:26:55.000 That's like his logo. 0.52

00:26:56.000 That should be Khabib's logo. 0.52

00:26:58.000 100%.

00:26:59.000 With like wings on it, like a flying eagle. 1.00

00:27:01.000 That's a huge fucking animal. 1.00

00:27:02.000 Dude, that was mad. 1.00

00:27:03.000 God, I love that guy.

00:27:05.000 I love him.

00:27:06.000 Oh, we, you know, we appreciated him while he's here, but maybe not enough.

00:27:10.000 But with Hamzat, too, I also think a couple of factors that went against him on Saturday night.

00:27:18.000 He's been in big fights, but he hasn't been in this big of a fight. 0.99

00:27:22.000 Defending the middleweight title, you have this wild boy talking so much shit. 0.95

00:27:27.000 So I just don't think he's dealt with that kind of pressure at that level. 0.98

00:27:32.000 And then also, Hamzat's always kind of had a cardio issue.

00:27:37.000 Because remember when I went to his camp, I called you. 0.99

00:27:40.000 I'm like, bro, I've never seen someone so fucking. 0.99

00:27:43.000 I'm talking vicious, fucking everybody up, destroying them. 1.00

00:27:48.000 I was like, oh my God. 0.99

00:27:49.000 So there's an issue with him, and I don't know what it is, where that's not translating inside the octopus.

00:27:56.000 Well, I can tell you right now, first of all, first part of the issue is the weight cut.

00:28:01.000 Yes, it cut.

00:28:02.000 100%.

00:28:03.000 Dude, he cut 22 kilos.

00:28:04.000 Listen to me.

00:28:05.000 He got 40 something pounds.

00:28:07.000 They were making it so that he was going to fight Yuri Prohasa.

00:28:10.000 Right.

00:28:10.000 At 205.

00:28:11.000 So he starts bulking up. 1.00

00:28:12.000 And he's eating like a fucking animal and he's deadlifting and doing all kinds of great shit. 0.99

00:28:16.000 He said he was 230, I think. 1.00

00:28:17.000 He was above that.

00:28:18.000 Yeah.

00:28:18.000 He was somewhere north of 230.

00:28:21.000 And so then he's 230, whatever.

00:28:23.000 And so then he's got to drop down to 85, which is bananas.

00:28:27.000 That's so hard to do.

00:28:28.000 He never got fat.

00:28:29.000 So what happens?

00:28:30.000 Well, your muscle gets eaten away.

00:28:32.000 Yeah.

00:28:33.000 Your body deteriorates.

00:28:35.000 You can't recover.

00:28:36.000 And he had a bad breakdown in the middle of the weight cut.

00:28:40.000 I heard his horror was here.

00:28:40.000 His brother today was like, yes.

00:28:42.000 We thought his body was going to shut down.

00:28:43.000 Yeah.

00:28:44.000 So they took an hour off.

00:28:45.000 Weight cutting, and then they went back.

00:28:47.000 He only had like 1.2 kilos to lose at that point, which is what is that?

00:28:52.000 Was that like five pounds?

00:28:54.000 No, no, I mean two pounds, two and a half pounds, right?

00:28:56.000 Two and a half.

00:28:57.000 It's 2.2.

00:28:57.000 What is it?

00:28:59.000 Okay, so he was 230 a lot though.

00:29:03.000 If you're dying, you got to lose two pounds of water.

00:29:05.000 Oh, it's a nightmare.

00:29:06.000 Two 16 ounce bottles of water.

00:29:08.000 But when he was, let's say, 230 or maybe 235, how many weeks out was that?

00:29:12.000 Do we know?

00:29:13.000 I don't know.

00:29:14.000 Because when Strickland beat Fluffy, they were like, hey, forget this Yuri fight, you're fighting at 85.

00:29:19.000 It's a few months.

00:29:22.000 It's a few months, but when you have muscle and not fat, it is a problem.

00:29:28.000 It's a real problem.

00:29:29.000 It's not the same problem.

00:29:30.000 So if you get big like Strickland gets in between fights, like Strickland, there's a lot of videos of him training where he's got almost like a belly.

00:29:38.000 He's heavy.

00:29:39.000 He makes fun of himself. 0.99

00:29:40.000 He's fat. 0.97

00:29:41.000 That's a different fat. 0.86

00:29:42.000 That's different to lose.

00:29:43.000 You can lose that.

00:29:44.000 That's not a problem to lose.

00:29:44.000 You can lose that.

00:29:46.000 When you're bulked up, your body has decided that now you're 230 pounds and you're still working out all the time.

00:29:53.000 Time.

00:29:53.000 So your body's using those muscles all the time.

00:29:55.000 So if you want those muscles to shrink, they literally have to eat themselves.

00:29:58.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:29:59.000 So you have to fucking starve yourself. 0.99

00:30:02.000 Or you do a radical dehydration, which brings you to the brink of death. 0.99

00:30:07.000 And it seems like that's what he did.

00:30:07.000 And that's what fun is.

00:30:10.000 Probably a factor.

00:30:11.000 But my thing is.

00:30:12.000 Giant factor, dude.

00:30:13.000 It's a factor for sure.

00:30:14.000 There's also a factor, but it's not like in the DDP fight and these other fights, not like he's going in there tenacious, finishing guys.

00:30:22.000 Well, the DDP fight.

00:30:24.000 Was just him in control.

00:30:27.000 It was just him grappling, him in control.

00:30:29.000 But in no attempt to finish.

00:30:30.000 That's my issue with him.

00:30:31.000 True.

00:30:32.000 He just wanted to secure the win.

00:30:33.000 I think it's here.

00:30:34.000 Well, it could be.

00:30:35.000 It could be.

00:30:36.000 And that also plays a factor when you're dealing with a guy like Sean, who's so durable and has such great cardio and can take the fight into deep, deep waters and always does.

00:30:45.000 Yeah.

00:30:46.000 He's always going after you in the final round.

00:30:48.000 Like the final round with Izzy, when he's got his hands down, he's screaming at Izzy.

00:30:52.000 He looks better.

00:30:52.000 Come on.

00:30:53.000 He gets better as the fight goes on.

00:30:55.000 And Izzy had noticeably faded by that final round.

00:30:55.000 Yeah.

00:30:59.000 Part of that because of the beating that he took in the first.

00:31:01.000 Correct.

00:31:01.000 Right.

00:31:02.000 He got dropped too.

00:31:03.000 Super close to stopped, probably concussed in the first.

00:31:06.000 You know? 0.99

00:31:07.000 I mean, that fucking straight punch that he landed where he spun Izzy's head around and then hit him with how many fucking left hands in a row? 0.99

00:31:14.000 Yep. 0.99

00:31:15.000 15, 20 left hands in a row.

00:31:17.000 I mean, let's count them.

00:31:18.000 Yeah.

00:31:18.000 Let's watch that and count them because it's crazy.

00:31:21.000 He just bang, bang, bang, bang.

00:31:23.000 If you think you're going to go and just fight normal after that, you're concussed.

00:31:28.000 You compromised.

00:31:29.000 Probably you have a concussion.

00:31:31.000 Yes.

00:31:31.000 Just by the way he went down, his head spun around.

00:31:35.000 It was a right hand, right?

00:31:36.000 Wasn't it a right hand?

00:31:37.000 It was a right hand, yeah.

00:31:38.000 Picture perfect right hand.

00:31:39.000 Wow, picture perfect straight right.

00:31:42.000 I mean, it was picture perfect.

00:31:44.000 And you don't get a cleaner, better right hand.

00:31:47.000 And then blast him with all those punches in the clinch.

00:31:51.000 You're gone after that. 0.99

00:31:53.000 You're a shell of yourself. 0.86

00:31:54.000 You're gone.

00:31:54.000 I think my thing with Hamza, too, is after, again, you could chalk it up to the weight cut.

00:32:00.000 That second round, when he doesn't land that takedown and falls to his back, I'm like, oh, he's cooked.

00:32:03.000 Dude, I think he's cooked. 0.99

00:32:04.000 We're six months into the motherfucking fight and you're cooked. 0.99

00:32:06.000 His body was shutting down and he realized that he went real hard in the first round but doesn't have the gas tank and said, let me coast. 0.99

00:32:11.000 I could survive on the bottom here, but I need to catch my breath if I'm going to try to finish this guy.

00:32:15.000 It might have been a strategy.

00:32:17.000 And he got better that third, fourth, fifth round.

00:32:18.000 Right, because the strategy might have been listen, if I'm on my back, no big deal.

00:32:22.000 Like he tries for a takedown, can't get it.

00:32:24.000 He realized, like, oh Jesus, I'm not going to be able to fight standing up like this for five minutes after that first round because his body almost shut down 24 hours ago. 0.99

00:32:33.000 24 hours ago, it is the dumbest fucking thing we do in the sport where we allow these people to pretend that they weigh a certain way. 0.99

00:32:42.000 Mm hmm. 1.00

00:32:43.000 You pretend.

00:32:44.000 Oh, it's a 185 pound fight. 1.00

00:32:47.000 The fuck it is. 1.00

00:32:48.000 Yeah, both of those guys. 1.00

00:32:50.000 Either one of those guys.

00:32:51.000 And Strickland is actually a bigger guy than him.

00:32:51.000 100%.

00:32:53.000 Strickland's a big boy.

00:32:55.000 Strickland, that night in the cage, is a bigger dude.

00:32:57.000 Well, he definitely looked healthier, right?

00:33:00.000 And I think part of that you could attribute to the fact that Hamzad is killing himself.

00:33:03.000 Well, what Hamzad said to Dana as soon as he jumped out of the cage, he goes, I'm done fighting here.

00:33:07.000 I'm going to 205.

00:33:07.000 But apparently now all he's talking about is a rematch.

00:33:10.000 Back on.

00:33:10.000 No, it's back on.

00:33:10.000 Yeah.

00:33:12.000 So, what he's got to do.

00:33:15.000 Love to hear.

00:33:16.000 He has got to limit his calorie intake and he's got to literally burn the muscle off.

00:33:23.000 He can't just keep dehydrating himself like that.

00:33:25.000 So you would have to talk to someone who's an expert at that.

00:33:28.000 But my friend Cam Haynes, when he runs these ultra marathons, what he does is he gets himself down to like 160 pounds.

00:33:37.000 And the way he does it is he just limits his fucking calories and keeps working out the exact same way. 0.92

00:33:42.000 And he looks terrible when he does it. 0.99

00:33:44.000 Yeah.

00:33:44.000 Like he looks so tired all the time.

00:33:46.000 But it's just sheer willpower gets him down to that weight.

00:33:49.000 Yeah.

00:33:50.000 But that is slow running for days.

00:33:53.000 Correct.

00:33:54.000 That's a different thing.

00:33:55.000 We can't do that.

00:33:55.000 Right.

00:33:56.000 What he's doing is exploding and moving quickly.

00:33:59.000 And my personal opinion is you have to be biologically healthy to do that.

00:34:06.000 You have to be a healthy person.

00:34:10.000 You can't just be big, right?

00:34:12.000 And you're not healthy if you almost died a day ago.

00:34:15.000 Correct.

00:34:16.000 Because that's really what's going on.

00:34:17.000 And we think these, oh, these guys can recover.

00:34:20.000 But how much do they recover? 0.98

00:34:21.000 Well, they fucking for sure don't recover 100%. 1.00

00:34:24.000 Not a hundo. 0.99

00:34:25.000 Not a 100%. 0.99

00:34:26.000 That's why I'm excited for him at 205.

00:34:27.000 Like, a lot of people are like, oh, I don't like them.

00:34:29.000 Like, if the weight is an issue at 205, if he's 100% Hamza, I know he might be a little undersized, but 100% Hamza could be a lot better than a 70%.

00:34:40.000 That's great.

00:34:41.000 Strickland ain't going to do it. 0.98

00:34:42.000 He's going to say, you didn't fucking make the weight the first time. 0.98

00:34:45.000 Oh, 100%. 1.00

00:34:45.000 He's going to talk mad shit. 1.00

00:34:47.000 It'll be fun. 1.00

00:34:48.000 He's a fucking coward. 1.00

00:34:49.000 I beat him with one arm. 1.00

00:34:50.000 It's going to get crazy.

00:34:52.000 You got to fight him at middleweight, but he's got to go to some expert in losing weight.

00:34:56.000 Oh, no.

00:34:57.000 I'm not saying Strickland, Hamzat, 205.

00:34:59.000 No, no. 0.99

00:35:00.000 Strickland's going to stay at fucking 85 and dominate. 0.99

00:35:03.000 No, Hamzat, he's going to do that rematch and then that's it. 0.97

00:35:08.000 He's a 205er.

00:35:10.000 Or to your point, he has to maintain a weight that's realistic and still perform.

00:35:15.000 But he has to figure that out.

00:35:16.000 He's got to stop lifting weights, right?

00:35:18.000 So whatever he was doing that got him up to 230 pounds or whatever he was, we're guessing.

00:35:24.000 Right.

00:35:24.000 That's what I'd heard that he was north of 230.

00:35:28.000 Whatever he was doing, he's got to not do that.

00:35:30.000 And he's got to do mad cardio.

00:35:32.000 Just cardio.

00:35:33.000 Like working out, like wrestling, hitting a bag, hitting pads, and cardio.

00:35:38.000 I'm a big proponent of do your sport.

00:35:43.000 Get your cardio from your sport.

00:35:45.000 Like, I see it across the board.

00:35:47.000 Like, I get a little hesitant when I saw all these videos of Hamza, you know, hitting the tire with the hammer and doing all these runs. 0.96

00:35:56.000 I'm like, yeah, but I'd rather you get your cardio from actually wrestling against top level guys and fucking get after it, dude. 0.83

00:36:03.000 Because what's Strickland do? 0.97

00:36:05.000 Do you see Strickland doing all this heart rate monitor?

00:36:07.000 No.

00:36:08.000 Why is his cardio so good? 0.99

00:36:09.000 Because he fucking spars like a madman all the time. 1.00

00:36:12.000 So the Strickland you see in that training camp is the exact same motherfucker you see in the octagon. 1.00

00:36:17.000 There's no issues. 0.99

00:36:18.000 Meanwhile, you got these guys, you know, run their hill sprints and do all.

00:36:21.000 I'd rather you get your cardio in your actual sport.

00:36:25.000 I see it at the lower level too with kids.

00:36:28.000 I coach football, baseball.

00:36:30.000 These dads are like, I don't get it, man.

00:36:31.000 I'm doing the foot ladder drill with my son five days a week.

00:36:34.000 Can't catch football.

00:36:35.000 I'm like, because we're not trying to see who has the best foot ladder. 0.98

00:36:39.000 Fucking who can do it the fastest? 0.97

00:36:40.000 We're catching footballs, dude. 0.99

00:36:41.000 Do you think that this, if you want to get better at football, a hundred percent?

00:36:45.000 But do you think that some of that stuff has a purpose?

00:36:48.000 Yes, but not close to the fight.

00:36:52.000 Interesting, you because usually what we would do is out like, uh, let's say you do have an eight week camp before the camp starts, we're doing a lot of that stuff, and then once we get a camp, where the focus was the cardio was getting it in in your training.

00:37:03.000 Mm hmm.

00:37:04.000 Um, you know who agrees with you?

00:37:06.000 Algerine Sterling.

00:37:07.000 Algerine talked about this pretty good, pretty good.

00:37:11.000 How good that he can look against a lol. 0.97

00:37:13.000 Dude. 0.99

00:37:13.000 Best back control in the game. 0.99

00:37:16.000 So, and I don't.

00:37:17.000 Why is he so underrated?

00:37:19.000 I don't get it.

00:37:20.000 Why he doesn't get his juice? 0.99

00:37:21.000 It's fucking crazy. 0.99

00:37:23.000 It's the win, the victory where he had an injury from an illegal shot. 1.00

00:37:27.000 And people hated on him from then on out.

00:37:29.000 Think how good he did against Evil Oak.

00:37:31.000 I know.

00:37:31.000 He's amazing.

00:37:32.000 That was a fucking split decision. 1.00

00:37:33.000 Some people thought he won. 1.00

00:37:35.000 Yeah, he could have easily won that.

00:37:35.000 Yeah.

00:37:36.000 That motherfucker's so good. 1.00

00:37:37.000 Yeah, Algemini's the man. 1.00

00:37:38.000 Yes.

00:37:39.000 But he said that Marab does the same thing. 0.99

00:37:42.000 Now, who the fuck has better cardio than Marab? 0.99

00:37:45.000 I would say nobody. 0.99

00:37:46.000 Nobody alive.

00:37:47.000 Ever in any sport I've ever seen. 0.95

00:37:49.000 Maybe that guy that broke the fucking whatever's four minute mile or something, but as far as what he did. 0.94

00:37:53.000 Yeah, but he ain't getting taken down. 0.99

00:37:55.000 He's not getting punched in the face.

00:37:56.000 People should just go to Rob's camp and be like, what are you doing?

00:37:59.000 He's like, I'm wrestling. 0.99

00:38:00.000 I'm fucking wrestling. 0.99

00:38:01.000 He does run. 0.99

00:38:02.000 He does run and he does lift some weights every now and then, but he doesn't do any of that crazy garage stuff.

00:38:08.000 And one of the guys that spoke out against the garage stuff was Cub Swanson.

00:38:12.000 I shouldn't say spoke out against it, but what he did say was that when he did that, because he did some of the training lab stuff, he said he was too broken down.

00:38:21.000 He said he was overtrained and he said he was just too tired when he was going into like fight camp.

00:38:26.000 Yeah.

00:38:27.000 It's tough to regret.

00:38:27.000 You're doing all the other stuff too.

00:38:29.000 You're still boxing.

00:38:30.000 You're still kickboxing.

00:38:31.000 I have to.

00:38:32.000 You're still wrestling.

00:38:33.000 And he said he did badly in those fights, which is interesting because, you know, the Marvin Marinovich approach was very different with BJ Penn.

00:38:42.000 And that was the best BJ Penn ever.

00:38:44.000 The best BJ Penn ever.

00:38:45.000 But they literally did no fight training.

00:38:48.000 What they did is all plyometrics.

00:38:51.000 And it's different from the stuff the training lab stuff's doing.

00:38:53.000 Because the training lab stuff, he's doing bicycle work and all this different stuff.

00:38:57.000 Because that's what Sam Calavita came from.

00:38:59.000 Correct.

00:39:00.000 Came from a cycling background. 0.98

00:39:01.000 What Marv was having him do was all plyometric stuff and just build this fucking insane machine. 0.86

00:39:08.000 He's like, BJ, you already know how to fight. 0.90

00:39:11.000 You're not going to get better at fighting in eight weeks, right?

00:39:11.000 Fact.

00:39:14.000 Fact.

00:39:15.000 But what we can do is give you an unstoppable gas tank.

00:39:19.000 And one of the things that always fucked BJ up earlier in his career is that he wasn't, when he was training himself or when he had, you know, It wasn't.

00:39:26.000 Kim and his brother.

00:39:27.000 Yeah, it wasn't the most different things.

00:39:29.000 He was phenomenally talented.

00:39:32.000 Freak.

00:39:33.000 And one of the things that won the world, the Mondials, at three years into jujitsu as a black folk. 1.00

00:39:39.000 That's why he's almost a bad example. 1.00

00:39:39.000 Like, nobody does that. 1.00

00:39:41.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:39:42.000 Right.

00:39:42.000 It's like, yeah.

00:39:43.000 But what he, the problem with really talented people, and I'm sure you'd probably agree with me, they tend to not work as hard.

00:39:50.000 Right.

00:39:50.000 Yeah.

00:39:51.000 Like, Sean, although he's a world champion, he's not a guy where you see, like, oh my God, he is so talented.

00:39:57.000 Like, what he does is like, no one can move that way.

00:40:00.000 No one can do what he does.

00:40:01.000 Like, you know, there's certain guys that are like that.

00:40:03.000 Sean's stuff is hard work.

00:40:04.000 Hard work.

00:40:05.000 So.

00:40:06.000 The guys that are super talented, it comes a little easier for them, and sometimes they have a harder time with the hard work because they're not used to getting beat up.

00:40:14.000 They're not used to getting pressed.

00:40:16.000 So when they have to do this drill where you're rotating in new sparring partners over and you're exhausted, and when you're doing that, hell, they don't like that. 0.99

00:40:27.000 So some guys avoid that shit. 0.99

00:40:27.000 No. 0.99

00:40:28.000 They just want to be tuning guys up.

00:40:30.000 Yeah.

00:40:30.000 Spot on.

00:40:31.000 And so those guys, when they're fighting a George St. Pierre or someone of a commensurate skill level, they might fade.

00:40:38.000 Yep.

00:40:38.000 Because that guy.

00:40:39.000 Got there through a different path.

00:40:42.000 I mean, George, although he's a phenomenal athlete, one of the best wrestlers in MMA ever, and didn't even come from a wrestling background.

00:40:51.000 I mean, George, one of the all time greats.

00:40:54.000 There's not like one thing that George would do that would make you think, like, that guy's a freak athlete.

00:41:00.000 There's never been anybody like him like that.

00:41:01.000 No, far from it.

00:41:02.000 To your point, far from it, because I trained with George forever.

00:41:04.000 And when we did, they would have us do some stuff like I did in the NFL, like sprints and vertical and the agility drills, like, Nothing crazy.

00:41:14.000 No.

00:41:14.000 But BJ was crazy.

00:41:16.000 BJ is crazy. 1.00

00:41:17.000 BJ could do stuff where you're like, how the fuck can you do that? 1.00

00:41:20.000 BJ could jump out of a pool and land easy. 0.99

00:41:25.000 BJ has insane flexibility.

00:41:29.000 The way he moves his legs, his balance is nuts.

00:41:31.000 There's a video of someone trying to take him down, and they have a single, and they are driving across the cage.

00:41:38.000 And he's on one leg hopping with zero fear of being taken down.

00:41:38.000 He's on one leg.

00:41:43.000 But to your point, like BJ's that talented, John's another one.

00:41:46.000 Yep.

00:41:47.000 Where it's like.

00:41:47.000 Right, right.

00:41:48.000 Exact, exact perfect shit. 1.00

00:41:51.000 So fucking talented. 1.00

00:41:53.000 And then the difference being like John always figured out a way to win. 0.99

00:41:58.000 And John, if he had a bad camp for one fight, he would come back in the next fight and really fucking put it to somebody. 0.90

00:42:05.000 Right? 0.97

00:42:05.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:42:06.000 Like the Gustafson fight.

00:42:07.000 First fights with Gustafson, he doesn't train at all.

00:42:11.000 I talked to Craig Jackson, he's like, he barely showed up.

00:42:14.000 At all.

00:42:15.000 Barely showed up in the gym. 0.86

00:42:17.000 And then has a five round war.

00:42:20.000 And pulls it out in the final two rounds.

00:42:22.000 It's crazy.

00:42:23.000 Crazy.

00:42:24.000 Gets taken down for the first time. 0.74

00:42:25.000 We see him get taken down by Gustafson.

00:42:26.000 Like, oh my God, Gustafson might be the man.

00:42:29.000 And John pulls it out.

00:42:30.000 So the second fight comes around and John trains hard. 1.00

00:42:34.000 Fuck, bro. 1.00

00:42:34.000 And John fucks him up. 1.00

00:42:37.000 I mean, fucks him up in a way like this is what would have happened if I tried. 0.98

00:42:41.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:42:42.000 If I prepared the way you prepared, this is what you did.

00:42:44.000 That's how it goes. 1.00

00:42:45.000 You get a fucking beating. 1.00

00:42:47.000 You know, and this is the dance of like who's the greatest of all time. 1.00

00:42:51.000 And that's why the argument in most people's eyes is that John is the greatest of all time because John was all those things, super talented.

00:43:00.000 And when push came to shove and he had to get back into work and get to here, he would do it.

00:43:06.000 He would do it.

00:43:07.000 And he would pull it off against DC.

00:43:09.000 He would pull it off.

00:43:10.000 The Stipe fight was, I think, that was not Stipe.

00:43:14.000 That was an.

00:43:15.000 No, that's when you like when you talk about his resume, you're like, all right, you know?

00:43:19.000 Stipe is the Stipe that.

00:43:21.000 You know, ran through the heavyweight division.

00:43:23.000 The Stipe that knocked out Alistair Overeem, that beat Fabrizio Verdun for the title, beat Francis when Francis was just crushing everybody.

00:43:33.000 And I think that took a lot out of his chin, that Francis fight.

00:43:37.000 I really did.

00:43:37.000 Oh, that changed him forever, I think.

00:43:39.000 Because DC knocks him out right after that.

00:43:41.000 And, you know, it wasn't the biggest punch in the world.

00:43:44.000 No.

00:43:44.000 It was a big punch, but, I mean, he had taken bombs from Francis.

00:43:48.000 Yeah, back to John being the greatest of all time. 1.00

00:43:50.000 It's like when you look at his resume, it's just like, fuck. 1.00

00:43:53.000 It's phenomenal. 1.00

00:43:54.000 It's the youngest ever UFC champion.

00:43:56.000 Crazy.

00:43:57.000 But as far as like, other than Josh Barnett, did Josh Barnett win it earlier?

00:44:00.000 Nah, I think John's the youngest.

00:44:02.000 John's the youngest.

00:44:03.000 And Josh Barnett was the youngest.

00:44:04.000 And Joshua Vann's second now.

00:44:05.000 Right.

00:44:06.000 So Josh Barnett won the heavyweight title at, what, 24?

00:44:09.000 And those boys were, well, didn't they strip him for steroids when everyone was doing steroids?

00:44:09.000 Yep.

00:44:15.000 That is crazy.

00:44:16.000 It's like when WWE, you guys get busted.

00:44:18.000 You're like, oh, come on. 1.00

00:44:19.000 Like, bitch, you ain't testing everybody. 1.00

00:44:21.000 You just don't like Josh. 1.00

00:44:23.000 It's a way to get him out.

00:44:24.000 I love Josh.

00:44:25.000 It's a way to get him out.

00:44:27.000 But back to John, it's like you look at his resume, Grace never do it.

00:44:30.000 Yeah.

00:44:31.000 Beat the very best in Murder's Row.

00:44:33.000 Murder's Row.

00:44:34.000 Now, you know, it's not even comparable to today's light heavyweight and heavyweight.

00:44:38.000 But then.

00:44:39.000 You don't think so?

00:44:40.000 No.

00:44:41.000 Nice and close.

00:44:41.000 Well, listen.

00:44:42.000 Especially at heavyweight.

00:44:43.000 When Alex was the light heavyweight champion, it's certainly comparable.

00:44:48.000 Alex as the light heavyweight champion, the Alex that beat Mago Medov, the Alex that knocked out Yuri Prochaska, the Alex that starches everybody that fucked up Jamal Hill.

00:44:56.000 Like that, Alex Pereira and John Jones in his prime would have been insane.

00:45:02.000 That would have been insane.

00:45:03.000 Oh, man.

00:45:04.000 Tough to beat the wrestling of John.

00:45:06.000 Like, John's wrestling was on a totally different level.

00:45:08.000 His speech, his IQ, his IQ would be tough.

00:45:10.000 What could he do to Cheryl Gahn? 0.99

00:45:12.000 Crazy.

00:45:12.000 I mean, he avoided the shots.

00:45:15.000 He read him like a book.

00:45:16.000 Bullied him.

00:45:17.000 Bullied him, got hold of his neck, and like, I'll take that. 0.95

00:45:20.000 Dude, if you go back and look at John, my fighting years too, you look at that light heavyweight division, one through fucking 15, good luck. 0.91

00:45:29.000 Especially heavyweight. 0.94

00:45:29.000 True. 0.94

00:45:30.000 Good fucking luck. 0.99

00:45:31.000 But at light heavyweight. 0.99

00:45:32.000 Okay, so.

00:45:33.000 Not a lot of those guys are ranked in top 10.

00:45:35.000 How do you think Yuri?

00:45:37.000 Well, let's think of Alex.

00:45:39.000 How do you think Alex would have done against Gustafson?

00:45:42.000 Very tough fight for him.

00:45:44.000 You think so?

00:45:44.000 Gustafson in his prime?

00:45:46.000 Yeah.

00:45:46.000 You think so?

00:45:47.000 Yeah.

00:45:47.000 And do you think that based on the Teixeira fight?

00:45:50.000 Because he pieced up Glover.

00:45:51.000 Remember that fight?

00:45:52.000 Yeah.

00:45:53.000 Bro, that was a video game combination.

00:45:54.000 Really?

00:45:54.000 He knocked out Teixeira?

00:45:56.000 Alex is one of those guys similar to DC.

00:45:58.000 When John just reigned as champ, it's like if Alex was just born at a different time, maybe five years before, five years after.

00:46:06.000 He's our John Jones. 0.98

00:46:08.000 He was so fucking talented. 0.98

00:46:10.000 Huge. 0.99

00:46:11.000 6'6, 6'7, great wrestling, great world class boxing, good at everything, dude.

00:46:16.000 Great team.

00:46:17.000 Just hard in the division with the GOAT. 1.00

00:46:18.000 You got fucked. 1.00

00:46:20.000 Your mom and dad decided to have sex the same time John and his parents did. 1.00

00:46:24.000 Look at what happened with Ilya Taporia.

00:46:27.000 Think about the guys that he's fighting.

00:46:29.000 Think about Max Holloway.

00:46:31.000 Think about Charles Oliveira.

00:46:32.000 Think about Alexander Volkanovsky.

00:46:35.000 And he has blasted all of them into orbit.

00:46:37.000 All three of them.

00:46:39.000 First guy ever to stop Max.

00:46:41.000 It's like, if you're in that guy's division, what are you going to do?

00:46:46.000 Especially at 45.

00:46:48.000 I don't know what it's going to be like at 55.

00:46:49.000 Obviously, the Oliveira fight was a one punch knockout, but.

00:46:52.000 That was such a bad knockout.

00:46:53.000 Crazy knockout.

00:46:54.000 But when you see him and Justin next to each other, you're like, whoa, Justin is quite a bit bigger.

00:46:58.000 Justin, big cat.

00:46:59.000 He's quite a bit bigger.

00:47:01.000 That's a tough fight.

00:47:03.000 It's a different fight than Oliveira.

00:47:06.000 It's different. 0.99

00:47:07.000 But fuck, then you see what Oliveira was able to do to Max. 1.00

00:47:11.000 You're like, good lord. 1.00

00:47:12.000 Like, Oliveira's a fucking beast, man. 1.00

00:47:14.000 He looks phenomenal. 1.00

00:47:15.000 And he couldn't do none of that to Ilya.

00:47:17.000 Yeah, the only thing with all that is like the 55 division, everyone's, no one's in their prime.

00:47:23.000 Like Charles is in his prime when Ilya beat him.

00:47:25.000 Justin's definitely not in his prime.

00:47:27.000 Max is in his prime.

00:47:28.000 They're all good. 0.99

00:47:29.000 They're fucking good, but not prime, prime. 0.99

00:47:32.000 Right. 0.99

00:47:32.000 And the issue is, Ilya's just getting to his prime. 0.99

00:47:36.000 Just getting to his prime?

00:47:37.000 Surging.

00:47:38.000 And already one of the greatest of all time. 1.00

00:47:41.000 He's a fucking problem. 0.99

00:47:42.000 Yeah, he's so smart and so disciplined and so like completely focused and dialed in. 1.00

00:47:49.000 Good at it.

00:47:49.000 Graded everything.

00:47:50.000 Graded everything.

00:47:51.000 And the crazy thing is, didn't even start as a striker.

00:47:54.000 Started as a grappler.

00:47:56.000 Now, his toughest matchup is Armin Sarukin. 0.99

00:47:59.000 That's the motherfucking fight. 0.99

00:48:00.000 100%. 0.99

00:48:01.000 Oh, but that's what I was going to say. 0.83

00:48:03.000 With Hamzat, he's not active. 0.97

00:48:05.000 I know I'm jumping around a little bit, but with Hamzat, I think one of his issues with whatever's going on inside that Akkon, weight cut 100%. 0.96

00:48:13.000 Clearly, there seems to be a mental block when it comes to finishing fights because he's worried about gassing out. 0.98

00:48:19.000 RAF, take a page out of fucking Sarukin's book. 0.99

00:48:23.000 Just wrestle all the. 1.00

00:48:24.000 Sarukin, I think he's wrestled like eight times this fucking year. 0.99

00:48:27.000 I know. 0.99

00:48:28.000 Just fucking dudes up, making all the money. 0.99

00:48:30.000 He makes six figures every time he fucks somebody up, but he's active. 0.99

00:48:33.000 He's staying active, staying in peace. 0.55

00:48:35.000 Competing.

00:48:36.000 And the UFC's going, yeah, go ahead and do it. 0.98

00:48:38.000 So for Hamsat, dude, because he fights once a fucking year, which is not good, dude. 0.84

00:48:43.000 So it's like, stay active over there. 0.96

00:48:45.000 Stay active like Arma Sarukin's doing.

00:48:47.000 Keep your weight down.

00:48:48.000 Yeah, I don't know if he's interested in doing that.

00:48:50.000 He signed with him.

00:48:51.000 Yeah, but what was the fight that they signed that he was going to wrestle somebody?

00:48:55.000 Who was it?

00:48:56.000 Do you remember?

00:48:57.000 I think they want to toss him like an Olympian, which is where it gets dicey.

00:49:01.000 Yeah, here's my fear.

00:49:03.000 There was a recent event, there was a very weird event.

00:49:06.000 I don't know who did it, but it was kicks to the leg, punches to the body, and jujitsu.

00:49:12.000 Have you seen that? 1.00

00:49:13.000 No, get the fuck out of my face. 0.99

00:49:14.000 It was weird. 0.99

00:49:15.000 So Glace and T Bao was fighting.

00:49:15.000 Yeah, no.

00:49:18.000 I apologize, I don't remember who he was fighting.

00:49:20.000 And he takes this guy down, and the guy catches, he's trying to avoid the takedown.

00:49:25.000 He catches his knee in a weird way, and it blows out. 0.99

00:49:28.000 So that could happen to fucking anybody. 0.99

00:49:31.000 Wrestling is a little safer, though. 0.99

00:49:32.000 I don't know about that because this was in the wrestling exchange that he took him down.

00:49:36.000 Yeah, but those guys aren't exactly like high level wrestlers.

00:49:39.000 True. 0.99

00:49:40.000 You know, like RAF has its top tier shit. 1.00

00:49:43.000 Oh, yeah, no doubt. 1.00

00:49:44.000 No doubt.

00:49:44.000 It's so good.

00:49:45.000 It's so good. 0.97

00:49:46.000 Wrestlers blow their knees out all the time.

00:49:48.000 True.

00:49:48.000 It's just a part of the craziness of explosive movement and a guy is coming after you.

00:49:55.000 It's kind of what you sign up for.

00:49:56.000 So for a pounce out, it's like, dude, we can't fight. 0.93

00:49:58.000 Fucking once a year, and they have weight issues, and clearly there seems to be a mental block, and you getting finishes because you're cardio. 0.94

00:50:04.000 Let's do RAF. 0.99

00:50:06.000 Let's get this rolling.

00:50:07.000 Keeps your weight down, keeps you active, also keeps you in the limelight. 0.88

00:50:10.000 Like, Armin has blown the fuck up, dude.

00:50:13.000 He's a massive star now.

00:50:13.000 True.

00:50:15.000 True.

00:50:16.000 Especially online.

00:50:17.000 I don't know how much that translates to the general public.

00:50:20.000 That's a great point. 0.95

00:50:21.000 For dorks like us. 0.99

00:50:24.000 Dorks like us are riding his nuts. 0.99

00:50:26.000 He beat Giorgio twice. 0.96

00:50:28.000 That's a good point.

00:50:30.000 Is it Lance Palmer, the wrestle that he tech-followed, which is nuts?

00:50:34.000 Nuts. 1.00

00:50:34.000 Uri Faber threw over the fucking thing. 1.00

00:50:36.000 That was crazy. 1.00

00:50:37.000 Why'd you do that?

00:50:38.000 What if you both got hurt?

00:50:39.000 What if you hurt Uri Faber?

00:50:40.000 He's a bit of a meathead. 1.00

00:50:41.000 Well, he's a psychopath. 1.00

00:50:42.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:50:43.000 He's a full-on psychopath. 0.99

00:50:44.000 I mean, he's rich. 1.00

00:50:46.000 Dude, he's so rich.

00:50:47.000 Literally wealthy.

00:50:48.000 Do you see him on that stream?

00:50:49.000 They go, So, like, if you wanted to buy a car, like, a 500,000-car, what do you do?

00:50:53.000 He goes, I just call my dad.

00:50:55.000 He's like, What?

00:50:55.000 Yeah.

00:50:56.000 His dad's like a billionaire.

00:50:57.000 He's got tons of money.

00:50:59.000 He's not lazy at all.

00:51:01.000 No, he's not.

00:51:02.000 Like, he flies in the face of this, like, long standing belief that we all had that if you come from a rich family, you can't be a great fighter.

00:51:11.000 He's Batman. 0.99

00:51:11.000 It doesn't matter if you come from the ghetto, he's going to fuck you up. 0.99

00:51:15.000 He does not give a fuck. 1.00

00:51:16.000 Some fucking dude's like, I'm from the favelas. 1.00

00:51:19.000 Good luck. 1.00

00:51:19.000 Cool, man. 1.00

00:51:20.000 Good luck with that fucking Armenian psychopath. 1.00

00:51:22.000 Yeah, and he's pulling up in a Maybox. 1.00

00:51:24.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:51:25.000 He pulls into LA.

00:51:25.000 Caveat.

00:51:27.000 I watch his YouTube videos.

00:51:29.000 He shows him training and all the different stuff he does.

00:51:32.000 When he lands in LA, he goes immediately to an exotic rental car place and rents a Lamborghini and drives it to the training lab.

00:51:40.000 Bro, it's not the way it's supposed to work, but he pulls it off.

00:51:43.000 Bro, good luck with that guy.

00:51:45.000 Good luck with that guy.

00:51:46.000 Go ahead and make something for Bill Richardson. 0.99

00:51:47.000 Bill Richardson, like a Greek god, can wrestle like a fucking elite. 0.99

00:51:50.000 Top tier wrestler, and he can strike and he can submit you. 0.99

00:51:55.000 Good luck.

00:51:56.000 And he's angry because he's denied a shot at the title because he hurt his back when he was getting ready to fight Ilya.

00:52:02.000 Which is the best thing that ever happened to him.

00:52:04.000 You think so?

00:52:05.000 Yeah, because look how much because we were fucking dorts and we knew who he was, but the general, like, especially online, his profile's so big now. 0.98

00:52:16.000 I think it's just with dorks. 0.98

00:52:17.000 I mean, I think, but those dorks, the equal sponsorship, money. 0.98

00:52:22.000 Well, here's the deal there's only one compelling fight. 0.99

00:52:25.000 Look at the Fucking build on this cat. 1.00

00:52:27.000 That is not a guy that grew up with a billionaire dad who could just go buy a fucking Lamborghini with his credit card if he wants to. 1.00

00:52:34.000 He's Bruce Wayne, but his parents are still alive. 0.99

00:52:36.000 It's not.

00:52:37.000 He has no reason to be upset. 1.00

00:52:38.000 Well, I'll tell you what Armenians, look at the fuck. 1.00

00:52:40.000 Shut the fuck up, man. 1.00

00:52:42.000 Just shut up. 1.00

00:52:42.000 Great body. 1.00

00:52:43.000 That's ridiculous. 1.00

00:52:44.000 That makes me want to just quit and eat fucking potatoes all day. 1.00

00:52:44.000 Great body. 1.00

00:52:48.000 Or get you in that fucking kind of shape. 1.00

00:52:50.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:52:50.000 I'm kidding. 0.99

00:52:51.000 Yeah.

00:52:51.000 Or just get ripped.

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00:54:05.000 But it's like he's the compelling matchup for Ilya. 0.98

00:54:09.000 If Ilya gets past Justin, if Justin beats Ilya, it is not only one of the greatest upsets of all time, it is one of the greatest caps to a career of all time. 0.97

00:54:19.000 Like, if he all through what he's been through wins the interim title, wins the BMF title, if he does that and caps his career off, you go, fuck yeah, dude, way to go out, brother.

00:54:30.000 If he beats Ilya Taporette at USC Freedom 250. 0.89

00:54:34.000 In front of Donald Trump.

00:54:35.000 He's the only American that gets the belt.

00:54:37.000 It's bigger.

00:54:38.000 It's beyond just MMA, UFC.

00:54:40.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:54:41.000 Miracle on Ice, fuck off. 1.00

00:54:42.000 This is. 1.00

00:54:44.000 Imagine the headlines, dude.

00:54:46.000 Yes.

00:54:47.000 And if he beats that guy in his prime who's knocking everyone into the shadow realm, he says to Charles Oliveira, I'm sorry, it has to be you.

00:54:57.000 Has a celebration party the night before the fight.

00:55:01.000 At a party.

00:55:02.000 At a party. 1.00

00:55:02.000 Was drinking wine and shit. 1.00

00:55:04.000 No, he wasn't. 1.00

00:55:04.000 Was he? 1.00

00:55:05.000 Yeah, I'm pretty sure he's drinking wine.

00:55:06.000 No, I think it was water.

00:55:08.000 No, I'm pretty sure he's drinking wine. 1.00

00:55:10.000 Imagine that fucking psychopath. 1.00

00:55:12.000 And he gets starched. 1.00

00:55:13.000 Yeah, and he's got that beautiful fucking Spanish accent. 0.99

00:55:16.000 Yeah, dude. 0.99

00:55:17.000 Just checks all boxes.

00:55:18.000 Checks all the boxes.

00:55:19.000 It's such a tough fight for Justin, but I'm rooting for Justin.

00:55:22.000 I love both of them.

00:55:24.000 But just for the sheer fact of, again, I like chaos. 0.99

00:55:27.000 And at that, in front of the weird elites watching the fight, you don't know what the fuck's going on. 0.94

00:55:31.000 It's going to be great if Justin pulls it off. 0.84

00:55:34.000 Yeah, if Justin pulls it off, it'd be one of the greatest upsets of all time, one of the greatest victories of all time. 0.98

00:55:39.000 And if he does just retire, Taporia plans to celebrate before the Gaetchi clash at the White House. 0.99

00:55:44.000 Of course, he's going to celebrate. 0.99

00:55:45.000 Whatever he's doing.

00:55:46.000 That's his move.

00:55:47.000 Whatever he does.

00:55:47.000 He's doing it again.

00:55:48.000 Massive celebration dinner the night before his lightweight belt.

00:55:52.000 We're going to celebrate before the fight.

00:55:53.000 Actually, we have everything organized.

00:55:54.000 My team has already taken care of that. 0.97

00:55:58.000 That's a mind fucking a half when you're in your hotel room, you know, and you're just fucking scrolling on Instagram, thinking about 24 hours from now you're going to be fighting. 1.00

00:56:07.000 And you're like, what's this asshole doing? 1.00

00:56:09.000 Oh, he's fucking standing on top of a table dancing. 1.00

00:56:12.000 That's how sure he is he's going to beat the fuck out of you. 1.00

00:56:15.000 He's eating spaghetti and fucking doing a salsa dance. 1.00

00:56:19.000 Like, what the fuck are you talking about, man? 1.00

00:56:21.000 Yeah, did you see when all the fighters are at the White House? 1.00

00:56:24.000 Trump's like, I thought you liked this guy. 1.00

00:56:26.000 You're like, oh, fuck. 1.00

00:56:27.000 Because why would you give your friend his toughest test? 1.00

00:56:29.000 Yeah.

00:56:31.000 Well, for Gaetje, that's the last fight.

00:56:34.000 I mean, if this is really going to be his last fight, that is the last fight.

00:56:37.000 It's smart.

00:56:38.000 It's smart.

00:56:39.000 Because that Patty fight is, you know, an entertaining fight for the casuals.

00:56:43.000 But as far as technical wise, it was so sloppy, man.

00:56:47.000 It was just so sloppy.

00:56:48.000 Well, Justin told me that that's what he wanted to do. 0.99

00:56:51.000 He just wanted to just go fuck you and just come at him and just throw caution to the wind and just almost fight like he did back in the PFL days World Series of Fighting days. 0.99

00:56:51.000 Which he should do. 0.99

00:57:01.000 That's what it was.

00:57:02.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:57:02.000 Yes.

00:57:03.000 That's exactly what he should be doing.

00:57:04.000 And that's exactly what he should have done.

00:57:06.000 And then for Patty, it was a sloppy fight, but he got the job done.

00:57:09.000 But you can tell, and it's all good.

00:57:11.000 This isn't a knock on Justin.

00:57:13.000 All the years, all the wars, one of the greatest careers we've ever seen, it catches up with you.

00:57:18.000 100%.

00:57:19.000 It has to.

00:57:19.000 And now here's Ilya Taporia.

00:57:22.000 But again, I bet Justin wouldn't have it any other way. 0.99

00:57:25.000 You have an opportunity to pull off one of the biggest, if not the biggest, upset we've ever seen in this fucking White House. 0.96

00:57:33.000 Justin has an awesome series, The Art of Violence, I think it's called. 0.97

00:57:37.000 It's on YouTube, and it's all talking about him preparing.

00:57:40.000 It's all videos of him training, and Trevor Whitman's in it.

00:57:43.000 And Trevor was saying, We love being the underdog.

00:57:46.000 We love it.

00:57:46.000 And he talked about being the underdog with Rose Nama Yunus when she beat Joanna Jacek, when she beat Yang Wei Lee.

00:57:54.000 Like, they love being the underdog in those situations.

00:57:54.000 Same thing.

00:57:57.000 Like, stopping Wei Lee was nuts. 0.90

00:58:00.000 Crazy. 1.00

00:58:00.000 You know, that she was the underdog head kicker. 1.00

00:58:02.000 Yep. 1.00

00:58:03.000 Crazy.

00:58:04.000 This is a little different, but I hear you.

00:58:04.000 And that.

00:58:06.000 It's different.

00:58:06.000 It is different.

00:58:07.000 But it is.

00:58:08.000 It's similar in ways. 0.81

00:58:11.000 The Zhang Wei Lee is. 1.00

00:58:13.000 Because Zhang Wei Lee is fucking everybody. 0.99

00:58:15.000 Scary. 1.00

00:58:16.000 There's no one like her. 1.00

00:58:17.000 The physicality of her at Straw Weight, she was a fucking monster. 1.00

00:58:21.000 Like, her training was bananas. 1.00

00:58:23.000 I'd watch her training and I'd go, good lord. 0.65

00:58:23.000 Crazy. 0.65

00:58:25.000 Who's going to beat her? 1.00

00:58:26.000 Her shoulders and shit. 1.00

00:58:26.000 She's like. 1.00

00:58:27.000 But. 1.00

00:58:28.000 The way she trains, she trains like a dude. 1.00

00:58:30.000 Like an angry dude. 1.00

00:58:32.000 Like women. 1.00

00:58:32.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

00:58:33.000 She's a haircut to show. 1.00

00:58:34.000 And it's not a knock on the way women train.

00:58:38.000 I'm not saying that. 1.00

00:58:39.000 I'm saying like the ferocity was like she's filled with testosterone. 0.80

00:58:46.000 Like she's trying to kill somebody. 0.89

00:58:48.000 She probably is, Joe. 0.94

00:58:48.000 She might be. 0.94

00:58:50.000 It might be natural. 0.95

00:58:52.000 It might have slipped something into her noodles.

00:58:55.000 Do you see that one fighter who got busted?

00:58:58.000 And she goes, oh, man.

00:58:59.000 Yeah.

00:59:01.000 I took my husband's vitamins and just had these steroids.

00:59:03.000 Yeah, my husband. 1.00

00:59:04.000 She threw her husband under the bus for taking steroids. 1.00

00:59:07.000 Fucked up. 0.99

00:59:08.000 Is he an active fighter? 1.00

00:59:09.000 I don't think so.

00:59:10.000 Is he, Jamie? 0.89

00:59:11.000 No, he's probably just some meathead.

00:59:12.000 He's like, yeah, I guess this horse.

00:59:13.000 Yeah, me too.

00:59:14.000 Because if he's an active fighter, he'd be like, what? 1.00

00:59:16.000 He's like, what the fuck? 1.00

00:59:17.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:59:17.000 Now we're both fucked. 1.00

00:59:18.000 Say somebody gave you the wrong thing. 1.00

00:59:18.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:59:21.000 But back to Whaley and Rose.

00:59:21.000 Yeah.

00:59:24.000 The difference with that is Rose was still pretty in her prime there. 1.00

00:59:27.000 Yes. 1.00

00:59:28.000 100%.

00:59:29.000 That's a good point.

00:59:30.000 That's a good point.

00:59:31.000 Real good point. 0.91

00:59:32.000 Justin's not in his prime, but damn, he didn't look like he lost a step in the Patty Pimblett fight. 0.98

00:59:37.000 He looked like he was just being an animal. 0.99

00:59:39.000 And Pimblett's fucking good, man. 0.99

00:59:42.000 You see what Pimblet did to Bobby Green, and granted, Bobby Green's not quite at the same level, although he looked fucking sensational. 0.98

00:59:49.000 He looked good against Jeremy Stevens. 0.99

00:59:51.000 He just keeps doing the damn thing. 0.99

00:59:52.000 But also, that style is so fun. 1.00

00:59:55.000 Talking shit, pointing at you. 1.00

00:59:56.000 It's fun, man. 1.00

00:59:57.000 It's one of my favorites.

00:59:57.000 So fun.

00:59:58.000 So fun.

00:59:59.000 How about at the end of the fight, when I'm interviewing him, he's like, come walk with me.

01:00:02.000 And he takes me over to Dana.

01:00:03.000 He's like, yo, Dana.

01:00:04.000 Yeah, he wants that bonus.

01:00:05.000 They've never given him bonus.

01:00:07.000 He was just talking about it.

01:00:08.000 He's one of the most exciting fighters he's ever done.

01:00:11.000 I'm like, everybody knows that. 0.97

01:00:12.000 He's like, why didn't he give my fucking bonus? 0.99

01:00:14.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:00:15.000 But I'm kind of with Dana on the bonus.

01:00:17.000 Dana goes, well, we do it also, your strength of your opponent.

01:00:22.000 Zell Huber was good, dude.

01:00:24.000 He beat Zell Huber in his last fight.

01:00:26.000 Stubborn's dim.

01:00:27.000 That was his last fight.

01:00:28.000 He should have got a bonus for that one.

01:00:29.000 That's what he was talking about.

01:00:31.000 Well, but for this last fight, for his last fight, he fought Jeremy Stevens, great fighter, but compared to the other guys on the card.

01:00:41.000 That's why Dana's like, well, strength of the opponent.

01:00:43.000 No, but he was complaining about not getting a bonus in his last fight.

01:00:47.000 That's why he wanted a bonus in this fight.

01:00:48.000 He was saying, because I even asked him, I go, you didn't get a bonus for the Zell Huber fight?

01:00:52.000 He got 25K, right?

01:00:54.000 Because didn't they change the bonus?

01:00:55.000 If you get a finish, no matter what, but he wanted the big boy bonus.

01:00:58.000 The big boy bonus.

01:00:59.000 Yeah.

01:01:00.000 I hate all of it.

01:01:01.000 I hate people that have to ask for bonuses.

01:01:04.000 It's awkward.

01:01:04.000 Look, the money is there, right?

01:01:07.000 We know the money's there.

01:01:08.000 This is a $7 billion deal.

01:01:10.000 I'm not a businessman.

01:01:12.000 I'll say that right now. 0.98

01:01:14.000 If I was running the UFC, the stockholders would fucking kick me out. 0.98

01:01:17.000 The shareholders would have me fired. 0.99

01:01:19.000 Yeah.

01:01:20.000 I wouldn't, you don't want that.

01:01:21.000 You don't want affliction.

01:01:22.000 Yeah, you don't want that.

01:01:23.000 You don't want me running, no, the UFC, because I treat it like I was a communist.

01:01:26.000 I'm also, yeah, me too.

01:01:27.000 I'm also a little more careful the way I talk about it, too, because I don't know their books.

01:01:31.000 I don't know how to run a giant company like that.

01:01:34.000 I assume with $7.7 billion, I'm like, man, I feel like we could give some over here.

01:01:39.000 But then if you talk to somebody in the know, they're like, oh, do you? 1.00

01:01:42.000 Well, look at this motherfucker. 1.00

01:01:43.000 I'm like, oh, my bad. 1.00

01:01:44.000 Okay.

01:01:45.000 Now, this is not a knock on Ari Emanuel, but it was reported that he made $67 million last year.

01:01:49.000 He worked very hard.

01:01:51.000 But that was from the UFC, from TKO, right?

01:01:51.000 I'm sure he did.

01:01:54.000 That was his payout.

01:01:55.000 And he's got a bunch of other things going on.

01:01:57.000 He's a very successful guy.

01:01:58.000 But is he the reason they sold for $7.7 billion?

01:02:01.000 He's a big part of it.

01:02:02.000 Probably a big part of it.

01:02:03.000 100%.

01:02:03.000 And also, he took the big chance in purchasing it for $2 billion, which was a big deal.

01:02:09.000 The whole thing is like, this is why you're in business.

01:02:11.000 I think fighting is different than any other business.

01:02:16.000 And the reason why I say this, and you could speak to this more than anybody, you are putting your health.

01:02:23.000 On the line in a way that is not required in any other business other than maybe football and boxing and kickboxing.

01:02:30.000 You're putting your health on the line in a way that's different than any other business.

01:02:34.000 You are the only thing that people are tuning in for.

01:02:37.000 Without the fighters, there is no UFC.

01:02:40.000 It doesn't exist.

01:02:42.000 It is the entire product, the thing you're selling is entirely fighters.

01:02:48.000 And it's fighters that operate for a short window of their prime.

01:02:54.000 They have 10 years or whatever they have.

01:02:57.000 And when they get out, you know, we've all talked about guys that are mumbling now. 0.99

01:03:02.000 You can't understand what the fuck they say. 0.98

01:03:04.000 You see, like, tics that they have and guys who have neurological problems, memory problems. 0.99

01:03:08.000 Neurological problems, memory problems, it's real.

01:03:12.000 So, I don't think we should think of it like any other business because the entire business model is these guys' bodies, and the consequence is their health, and it's for the rest of their life.

01:03:25.000 And so, if you're doing something that is generating a significant amount of money for a very short amount of time, I think you should get a lot of money for that if you're one of those people.

01:03:36.000 The amount of money that is left over for the other people.

01:03:40.000 The people that are making the money that put the money in, they should still get a lot of money, which is why they did it in the first place.

01:03:46.000 But I don't think the balance is correct.

01:03:49.000 Now, I am biased, right?

01:03:52.000 Because again, I'm not a businessman, but I have a deep empathy for people who put themselves in front of harm and try to chase that glory for our entertainment, for the sport that we love.

01:04:06.000 And I think they should be compensated more.

01:04:09.000 Yeah, I don't think you're.

01:04:10.000 I mean, obviously, we're biased because we love fighters and I was a fighter.

01:04:13.000 It's not even about being biased.

01:04:14.000 It's.

01:04:15.000 It's just fairness.

01:04:16.000 It's fairness.

01:04:17.000 It's fairness in the marketplace.

01:04:18.000 And well, the thing is, it's such a dicey thing.

01:04:22.000 And I know people hate when I bring up fighter talk, and I get sick of it too because I don't know what you can really do.

01:04:33.000 Because I, it's simple.

01:04:35.000 Well, I go, is it though?

01:04:36.000 Because here's the thing people will go, okay, they made $7.7 billion.

01:04:40.000 Here's their overhead.

01:04:41.000 We don't know what's going on.

01:04:42.000 But it's like if the UFC is the only, the only, Sports, combat sports promotion to ever make money.

01:04:54.000 Ever.

01:04:55.000 Nobody else has ever done it better or made profit.

01:04:55.000 Right.

01:04:58.000 So, my thing is, is this just what it is? 1.00

01:05:02.000 And I know some people are like, you're such an idiot. 1.00

01:05:05.000 They have this leftover money. 1.00

01:05:06.000 I hear you.

01:05:07.000 But all I'm saying is, there's PFL, Bellator, Affliction, World Series.

01:05:12.000 We can go through the list.

01:05:13.000 One championship.

01:05:14.000 None of them are around.

01:05:17.000 Some are on their last leg.

01:05:18.000 No one's ever been able to sustain it. 0.99

01:05:20.000 So, all I'm saying, and I'm not saying we don't deserve more fucking money. 0.94

01:05:24.000 All I'm saying is, is this just how it goes in the fight business? 0.98

01:05:28.000 I'm not a businessman.

01:05:28.000 I don't know.

01:05:29.000 I know people are yelling right now, you're fucking it. 0.99

01:05:31.000 I'm just saying, is fighting different where, hey, man, that's just, it's not the NFL, it's not the NBA, it's not MLB. 0.99

01:05:40.000 In order for us to continue this rise, this is what it is.

01:05:44.000 It's 18% to the fighters.

01:05:47.000 I don't know, Joe.

01:05:48.000 Okay.

01:05:49.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:05:49.000 I don't know.

01:05:50.000 First of all, let's just give the UFC its flowers because without, I love it.

01:05:50.000 Good points.

01:05:54.000 The kids say that these days.

01:05:55.000 Give it flowers?

01:05:56.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:05:57.000 Have your daughters started using buns yet? 1.00

01:05:57.000 Good saying. 1.00

01:05:59.000 Oh, yeah, they use that.

01:06:00.000 Yeah.

01:06:00.000 I just found it.

01:06:02.000 Buns is bad.

01:06:02.000 It's bad.

01:06:03.000 Yeah, I didn't know. 0.82

01:06:04.000 My son's like, that thing's buns.

01:06:04.000 I got a new truck.

01:06:06.000 I'm like, is that good?

01:06:07.000 What's up?

01:06:07.000 Yeah, I know, but buns are always like cute buns.

01:06:10.000 Yeah, I know. 1.00

01:06:11.000 The ladies are like, yeah, we're young Jamie.

01:06:15.000 But what were we saying? 0.60

01:06:17.000 The UFC is the greatest organization in combat sports history, period.

01:06:21.000 There's nothing even close.

01:06:22.000 The product is so much better than any boxing promotion.

01:06:25.000 And my friends that I've brought.

01:06:27.000 To the UFC that are boxing fans, like my friend Josh Dubin. 0.98

01:06:31.000 He was like, The fucking production's incredible. 0.93

01:06:34.000 He goes, It's so much more exciting than any boxing event. 0.99

01:06:37.000 It's so much better.

01:06:38.000 That is 100% true.

01:06:39.000 They've also been a consolidated organization forever, right?

01:06:44.000 I mean, it was a different owner.

01:06:46.000 It was Bob Myrowitz back in the day in 97 when I worked for them. 0.72

01:06:49.000 But from 2021 on, so for the last 25 fucking years, it's been Zufa, right? 0.87

01:06:57.000 They sold Zufa. 0.95

01:06:59.000 Now Zufa is sold to Ari Emanuel, TKO.

01:07:02.000 But the same people are running it, right?

01:07:04.000 It's still Dana White, it's still all these people behind the scenes.

01:07:08.000 That's another conversation.

01:07:09.000 Yeah, it's still Anik.

01:07:10.000 It's still me and DC and Michael Bisbing and all the other people that are doing commentary and, you know, Dominic Cruz and Paul Felder and Laura Senko.

01:07:19.000 It's still the team's the same.

01:07:22.000 The team behind the scenes is the same.

01:07:23.000 It's so polished.

01:07:24.000 There's never a problem.

01:07:26.000 When I show up at the UFC, everything's so smooth.

01:07:29.000 You go in, say hi to everybody. 0.99

01:07:31.000 I show my badge to the fucking security people. 1.00

01:07:34.000 I say hi. 1.00

01:07:35.000 We sit down.

01:07:36.000 Everything is smooth.

01:07:37.000 We got a hit in five minutes.

01:07:38.000 Okay, great.

01:07:39.000 Everybody's there.

01:07:40.000 The sound guy's on point.

01:07:42.000 Well, everything is on point.

01:07:44.000 It's so easy. 0.97

01:07:46.000 And it's like the production in the truck is so fucking good. 0.95

01:07:50.000 They always have the right angle. 0.95

01:07:52.000 Giordano is always on the case when it comes to getting the right angle for a submission or getting the right angle for.

01:07:57.000 Replays.

01:07:57.000 If I ask for something, I got it right away.

01:08:00.000 Like I'll push the button.

01:08:02.000 You know, let me hear his corner.

01:08:03.000 Yeah.

01:08:04.000 It's boom, they're right on it.

01:08:05.000 They're the best.

01:08:06.000 High level.

01:08:06.000 They're the best.

01:08:07.000 The best.

01:08:08.000 And you notice that when you see other promotions.

01:08:10.000 It's like other promotions the camera works on is good.

01:08:12.000 It's like things are good.

01:08:14.000 The machine is so good and it's become like the NFL.

01:08:19.000 Like, I know the XFL exists. 0.88

01:08:20.000 I've never even fucking heard of a game. 0.55

01:08:22.000 I've never even heard of a game. 0.99

01:08:23.000 Name one player.

01:08:24.000 No one's even brought up a game that's going to happen.

01:08:26.000 Never.

01:08:27.000 I know it's a thing.

01:08:28.000 And the problem with casuals, that's the same with the PFL.

01:08:28.000 Never.

01:08:31.000 Even though the PFL's fucking got really good fighters, there's really good fighters in the PFL. 0.95

01:08:36.000 Far cry from the OC, but yeah. 0.97

01:08:37.000 Some of them are really good, man.

01:08:39.000 That cat that just knocked out Hennen Farrar, the guy who's the heavyweight that is Fedor's protege. 0.62

01:08:45.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, the Russian cat.

01:08:46.000 Bro.

01:08:47.000 He's good.

01:08:48.000 He's good.

01:08:48.000 Bro.

01:08:49.000 In the UFC's fucking shallow ass heavyweight division, we could use that guy. 1.00

01:08:53.000 I'd like to show up at that dude's hotel room with a fucking briefcase full of money. 0.99

01:08:53.000 We could use him. 0.99

01:08:58.000 Let's go, dog.

01:09:00.000 Yeah, my thing with the UFC, and when you talk about the staff, you got to give them their flowers.

01:09:04.000 They're the only one that's figured it out.

01:09:06.000 They're the best.

01:09:07.000 By far.

01:09:07.000 The best organization by far.

01:09:08.000 And they deserve to be rich because of that.

01:09:11.000 They've made an incredible product.

01:09:13.000 So do the fighters, though.

01:09:14.000 I think your product is entirely dependent on the fighters.

01:09:18.000 Now, this is my position with my comedy club.

01:09:22.000 So, my comedy club pays different than every comedy club.

01:09:25.000 The fighters, the comedians make most of the money when it comes to the door.

01:09:31.000 That's how it should be. 0.95

01:09:32.000 If it's too much, we're like, dude, get the fuck out of here. 0.78

01:09:32.000 But let me ask you this, Joan. 0.78

01:09:35.000 But is the mothership compared to the comedy store, the improv, are you guys crushing them?

01:09:42.000 It's doing really well.

01:09:43.000 I mean, the comedy store is always going to be one of the great clubs on earth, it's a legendary club.

01:09:48.000 It's dependent upon who's there.

01:09:51.000 The difference between the way the comedy store does it and the way we do it.

01:09:54.000 Is that we bring in national headliners for the weekend?

01:09:57.000 Like the weekend, it might be David Tell.

01:09:59.000 Yeah.

01:09:59.000 This week is Tony Rock.

01:10:00.000 Is there another club that does that?

01:10:01.000 Is there, because the comic store is a little different because you have your regulars.

01:10:04.000 Is there another club that does that?

01:10:05.000 Sure.

01:10:06.000 Most clubs do that for the weekends, but the thing is, they don't have the same lineup for the weekdays.

01:10:10.000 Yeah, I don't.

01:10:11.000 It's the weekdays we've got Shane Gillis, Ron White, Tony Hinchcliffe, Kill Tony's there every Monday.

01:10:16.000 It's a different set.

01:10:17.000 Is there anybody doing that?

01:10:17.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:10:19.000 Because the comics have to be.

01:10:21.000 My whole point is, however you run your business, it's like, is the model where you're doing it, where the comics are making the majority of the money.

01:10:28.000 Is that a sustainable business?

01:10:30.000 100%.

01:10:31.000 It makes money.

01:10:32.000 If we take Joe Rogan out of it and some dude wants to start a club and did the same thing, is that going to be profitable?

01:10:38.000 No.

01:10:39.000 You have to have the talent, but that's the difference.

01:10:41.000 It's like the thing with the PFL versus the UFC.

01:10:43.000 You have to have the talent, right?

01:10:45.000 And the reason why our club works is because everything, look, it's pure luck.

01:10:51.000 It's pure luck.

01:10:52.000 Everything had to line up.

01:10:53.000 We had to hit every green light.

01:10:56.000 It had to, COVID had to happen.

01:10:58.000 The comedy store had to get shut down.

01:11:00.000 All the employees from the comedy store had to get fired.

01:11:02.000 We had to not be able to do stand up in LA.

01:11:06.000 I had to be worried about my family and like the crime and the riots. 0.98

01:11:11.000 And then the COVID shit where everyone was wearing a mask. 0.99

01:11:14.000 I was like, this is bananas. 0.99

01:11:15.000 And then moving to Texas or just visiting Texas.

01:11:18.000 But you got to give yourself credit.

01:11:19.000 Like, luck, yeah, yeah.

01:11:21.000 But you were also the guy who had the idea to do it.

01:11:23.000 Yeah, most people wouldn't put that trigger.

01:11:25.000 You didn't have to do that.

01:11:26.000 That is true.

01:11:27.000 But it's a lot of luck because it had to happen at the right time.

01:11:30.000 It had to happen at a time in my career where I had a lot of money, you know?

01:11:34.000 So it had to happen when the Spotify deal took place.

01:11:36.000 So I had all this money.

01:11:38.000 Yeah.

01:11:38.000 And then it all had a lineup where I was already the number one podcast in the world, so I could easily get people to come.

01:11:43.000 Because of you, Joe?

01:11:44.000 I understand, but it had the lineup.

01:11:47.000 No, no, no.

01:11:47.000 Very humble.

01:11:48.000 I'm just being honest.

01:11:49.000 Like, it had a lineup.

01:11:52.000 So I couldn't have done it on my own.

01:11:54.000 I had to come here, and Ron White was already here.

01:11:57.000 So Ron White's a big reason why the club.

01:11:59.000 I mean, he was one of the main reasons why I moved here.

01:12:01.000 No, I know.

01:12:02.000 Because I was like, even if I'd ever do comedy again, and I was really wondering if we were ever going to do comedy again, Ron's here.

01:12:08.000 I'll hang out with Ron.

01:12:09.000 Yeah.

01:12:09.000 We'll have laughs.

01:12:10.000 So when I moved here, and then all of a sudden Tony moved here, and then Tom Segura moved here, and Brian Simpson moved here, and Hassan moved here, and Derek Posted moved here, and it was like, oh shit, we got something cooking.

01:12:20.000 And then Tim Dillon came here, and then it was like, oh my God.

01:12:22.000 And then Duncan Trussell moved here. 0.99

01:12:24.000 I was like, holy shit. 0.99

01:12:26.000 Well, they're moving because you're here, too. 0.98

01:12:27.000 I understand, but they had to do it before the mothership even opened.

01:12:32.000 Take it straight.

01:12:33.000 They all moved before the mothership opened.

01:12:35.000 Shane moved after the mothership opened, but they all came in early and trusted me.

01:12:41.000 Yes.

01:12:42.000 And so I was like, Okay, these guys, I owe them whatever they took a chance with their future.

01:12:49.000 I have to throw everything into this and all together we'll do it.

01:12:54.000 Yeah, so it's our club, it's really our club.

01:12:56.000 But it had to happen in a way where I had this disposable money, I had disposable income where I could do it and it wouldn't hurt me.

01:13:04.000 Yeah, and then I could set it up in a way where the comics make so much money, so that way you encourage people to stay.

01:13:10.000 So there's so many people that are there all week long during the week, they don't have to go do shows other places.

01:13:15.000 They can make money at their home club.

01:13:17.000 You're doing it right, but I guess my example, like, can the UFC do that?

01:13:20.000 Because my example for you, it's like, can these other comic clubs do that and sustain and grow and have money?

01:13:26.000 They could in New York, and they might be able to do it in LA.

01:13:29.000 So I don't think you could do it in LA right now because the store is open, and the store is always going to be the premier club in the world.

01:13:35.000 It's always legendary.

01:13:37.000 It's on Sunset Strip.

01:13:38.000 Even though LA's falling apart, it's still the legendary destination for stand up comedy.

01:13:44.000 It's one of the main reasons why I was excited to move to LA.

01:13:46.000 It was mecca.

01:13:47.000 It was when I was an.

01:13:48.000 A beginner and an open micer in 1988, they would talk about the store like it was mecca, like you had to go to the store.

01:13:55.000 They still do, though.

01:13:56.000 I don't think that's ever going away.

01:13:58.000 Of course.

01:13:59.000 The store comes and goes in cycles.

01:14:02.000 It always does.

01:14:02.000 It always goes in cycles depending on who's in town, who's there.

01:14:07.000 All comedy clubs are dependent upon what talent is in town during the weekdays.

01:14:11.000 If you don't bring in talent on the weekends, that's the difference.

01:14:15.000 The store doesn't bring in headliners for the weekend like the way our club does.

01:14:20.000 I told Scott, Scott Shore, I was like, I think.

01:14:23.000 No, it was Peter.

01:14:24.000 Sorry.

01:14:25.000 I told Peter Shore, I was like, I think you guys should do that.

01:14:28.000 I think you should, like, but do they have to?

01:14:30.000 Because you can still go on a Saturday night and you'll see, you know, yes, big names, big names.

01:14:35.000 But you could have those people there still as well.

01:14:38.000 Like, they could also do shows with that person, and you have two other rooms.

01:14:41.000 And that's what you guys do.

01:14:42.000 You have the OR and you have the belly room.

01:14:44.000 You have three rooms in one location. 0.98

01:14:47.000 Like, you could still have the OR filled with top talent because they don't give a fuck where they're performing in the big stage or the little stage. 0.94

01:14:54.000 In fact, most of us prefer the little stage. 0.94

01:14:56.000 The OR is an amazing room.

01:14:59.000 But the thing is, it's like you have to have enough talent in town.

01:15:02.000 And a lot of people moved out of LA.

01:15:04.000 A lot of people moved out of LA.

01:15:06.000 Joey Diaz moved out of LA.

01:15:07.000 A lot of people moved out of it.

01:15:09.000 Theo moved out.

01:15:10.000 A lot of people moved out.

01:15:12.000 So the problem is you would have to have enough talent there, and then you would have to have talent that was there all the time, like us.

01:15:20.000 We're at the club all the time.

01:15:22.000 I think, going back to if the UFC could do this, they're profiting so much now, there's no reason to.

01:15:29.000 That's the other issue.

01:15:31.000 This is the problem.

01:15:31.000 Do you want to hear my idea, though?

01:15:32.000 This is rational.

01:15:33.000 You want to hear my idea? 1.00

01:15:34.000 And you might be like, you're out of your fucking mind. 1.00

01:15:34.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:15:35.000 Okay.

01:15:36.000 And it's.

01:15:36.000 And again, I'm not anti nothing.

01:15:39.000 You cut my fucking wrist right now. 0.99

01:15:40.000 Bob O'Reilly spills out. 1.00

01:15:42.000 You've seen it made my entire career. 0.99

01:15:42.000 I fucking bleed. 0.99

01:15:44.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:15:46.000 When that Paramount deal was announced, and I'm a wild boy, when that Paramount deal was announced, what I would have done is, and this is the issue why things will never change, I would have talked to all the managers, all the fighters, and said, We're not fighting another fight.

01:16:01.000 They just signed this huge deal, 7.7 million.

01:16:04.000 If you guys want to get your equal share, nobody's agreeing to a fight bout, to a fight card.

01:16:10.000 Unless we get, I don't know, someone's going to figure out 30%.

01:16:14.000 So it's 18% right now.

01:16:15.000 If we go up 30%, which they're still going to have profit, if they agree to that, then we'll fight.

01:16:20.000 But there's no deal if we don't fight.

01:16:23.000 Those days are over now, so you missed the mark.

01:16:25.000 Now you're going to say, yeah, but they can get other guys to do that. 0.96

01:16:29.000 And I'm saying across the board, we all agree as fighters, we're not going to fucking move an inch.

01:16:35.000 If you can get fighters to agree to that, it would work. 0.94

01:16:38.000 That's the problem.

01:16:39.000 It'll never happen.

01:16:41.000 That was my idea.

01:16:41.000 Not in a million years.

01:16:42.000 Then here's the other thought that Dana White has this thought about fighters that when they get paid too much and they get rich, their careers end earlier.

01:16:53.000 But Armand Sarukian.

01:16:54.000 And he's right.

01:16:55.000 Yeah.

01:16:55.000 And he's right.

01:16:56.000 Well, there's Armin, who's Bruce Wayne, but for the most part, he's right.

01:17:00.000 Go through anybody's career.

01:17:01.000 He's kind of right.

01:17:02.000 He's kind of right, but it doesn't matter.

01:17:04.000 That's on them.

01:17:05.000 Yeah, agree.

01:17:06.000 That's on them.

01:17:07.000 Yeah, that's fair.

01:17:08.000 Yeah.

01:17:08.000 I mean, he's right, but you can't protect them unless you have a bonus that you're going to pay them out when they retire.

01:17:14.000 And they're not going to do that.

01:17:15.000 But the other thing, I think Sean Shelby said this, it might have been Mick Maynard, one of them was like, the other issue we have is when guys get paid a lot and then we offer them fights, we're not getting the fights we want to make. 0.99

01:17:27.000 Once they have that goose egg, they're like, no, I'm not fighting that fucking guy. 0.99

01:17:30.000 He has a nightmare. 1.00

01:17:32.000 I know.

01:17:32.000 But again, you can't base it off of that because I'm sure there's some guys who will do it.

01:17:36.000 And you fuck with them. 0.99

01:17:38.000 But it's not a reason not to pay him. 1.00

01:17:40.000 Listen, all this is hippie talk.

01:17:44.000 But I feel.

01:17:46.000 Like, if I would, if I was, if I owned the UFC, I would not feel good if people didn't feel compensated correctly.

01:17:55.000 This is just my feeling.

01:17:56.000 And I'm not a good businessman.

01:18:00.000 If you want to be a good businessman, you got to make the most money possible.

01:18:02.000 I don't know, Joe. 0.88

01:18:03.000 You've done pretty fucking well, Bubba. 0.82

01:18:05.000 A lot of luck. 0.92

01:18:06.000 A lot of luck.

01:18:07.000 You're driving me nuts.

01:18:08.000 No, but it is.

01:18:09.000 You're driving me nuts.

01:18:09.000 You work harder than anybody else.

01:18:11.000 Well, I work harder when I, listen, I stick with things and I have a good work ethic.

01:18:15.000 That is true.

01:18:17.000 That's half the battle, brother.

01:18:18.000 Yeah, but I'm not like a businessman in the sense of like if I was running a business like that, I wouldn't treat it the same way.

01:18:25.000 I wouldn't say I'm trying to make the most money possible. 0.97

01:18:27.000 I would say I got money and let's just make this motherfucker the greatest thing of all time and make everybody feel good about it. 0.98

01:18:34.000 Yeah, but again, I don't know the in and outs. 0.96

01:18:36.000 I don't know if you can run an organization like that and be profitable.

01:18:40.000 Well, it'd be profitable, but it wouldn't be as profitable.

01:18:40.000 I don't know.

01:18:43.000 And that's the thing when you have shareholders.

01:18:45.000 So when you have shareholders, you have an obligation to your shareholders to maximize your profits.

01:18:51.000 And this is the only knock on the UCI.

01:18:53.000 I have is in order to get that $7.7 billion deal, you have to put on whatever it is, 45 fight cards a year.

01:19:01.000 Right.

01:19:02.000 So, like those fight nights.

01:19:03.000 So now you don't really have the talent or the stars to fulfill those cards.

01:19:08.000 But because you made this deal with Paramount, now you're getting just, you know, you're signing these contender series kids who have three fights, four fights, where 10 years ago, those boys ain't sniffing the UFC.

01:19:18.000 It was so hard to get in.

01:19:20.000 But now, because we have to fulfill those cards, you're getting a lower level of talent.

01:19:23.000 Yeah.

01:19:23.000 Well, here's what's interesting.

01:19:25.000 So, one of the players in the purchasing of the UFC, of the rights to the UFC, was Netflix.

01:19:34.000 They were one of the players.

01:19:35.000 They were one of the people that were thinking about doing it.

01:19:35.000 Interesting.

01:19:38.000 So there were negotiations with them.

01:19:40.000 There were negotiations with ESPN.

01:19:42.000 And ultimately, Paramount was like this wild, dark horse that came around with the big money.

01:19:46.000 And I like Paramount.

01:19:47.000 I have no issues.

01:19:48.000 Yeah.

01:19:48.000 Look, I love.

01:19:49.000 The ads are weird, but whatever.

01:19:50.000 I love Mobland.

01:19:51.000 I love Landman.

01:19:52.000 Landman.

01:19:53.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:19:53.000 Mobland is fucking great. 0.99

01:19:55.000 Ever watch that? 1.00

01:19:55.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

01:19:56.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

01:19:56.000 Dude, his Audi, his RS6 in that? 1.00

01:19:58.000 He's a dope, right? 0.90

01:19:59.000 Me too. 0.97

01:20:00.000 I was trying to convince my wife.

01:20:00.000 Me too.

01:20:01.000 I never wanted a wagon until I saw Tom Harsley drive that. 1.00

01:20:03.000 They're fucking sick. 1.00

01:20:05.000 They're so sick. 1.00

01:20:06.000 It's a great show.

01:20:07.000 But Paramount has awesome shows.

01:20:09.000 So it makes sense.

01:20:11.000 I already had it.

01:20:12.000 Perfect.

01:20:12.000 Great.

01:20:13.000 I love the fact there's no pay per view.

01:20:15.000 But what's interesting about Netflix not doing it, because I think Netflix didn't want the.

01:20:21.000 I might be talking to my school, but I'll just say it.

01:20:23.000 I believe what I heard, here's the caveat, is that Netflix did not want the small fights.

01:20:29.000 They did not want Fight Night.

01:20:31.000 Good for them.

01:20:35.000 They only wanted the big ones.

01:20:36.000 They're all good. 1.00

01:20:37.000 That shit happens. 1.00

01:20:38.000 Well, some of the fight nights are fucking awesome. 1.00

01:20:40.000 We like them because we're degenerates. 0.99

01:20:41.000 Right. 1.00

01:20:42.000 The public's like, who the fuck are these guys? 0.99

01:20:44.000 There's no one there. 0.99

01:20:44.000 Apex. 0.99

01:20:45.000 Yeah.

01:20:46.000 I love that Netflix is like, what take videos?

01:20:48.000 I love the Apex fights.

01:20:49.000 I love that.

01:20:49.000 I've been planning on going to an Apex fight card.

01:20:52.000 I'm trying to find the right one just to go and watch.

01:20:54.000 I'll go. 0.99

01:20:55.000 Let's fucking go. 0.99

01:20:56.000 I would love that. 0.99

01:20:57.000 I just want to go to watch because they'll let you in if you come with me.

01:21:00.000 Yeah.

01:21:01.000 I feel like I don't have any enemies here anymore.

01:21:03.000 I kind of stood by the fact they didn't want the volume.

01:21:06.000 That's it.

01:21:06.000 I love it.

01:21:07.000 That's how they say it, which we understood from the get go.

01:21:09.000 Ted Sarandos, who I love, Bella Bajaria, I don't know her.

01:21:15.000 We're very upfront with that.

01:21:17.000 We're looking for big events.

01:21:18.000 So the fact that you could give us one pay per view, which is just, we were just going to put on the platform for free as long as you're a subscriber, as long as you just give us that, we're in, we'll pay premium for it, but we don't want to carry the other 30 fight nights. 0.94

01:21:32.000 They say we don't want the bullshit. 0.91

01:21:33.000 But here's the thing. 0.99

01:21:34.000 But then where would those 30 fight nights go?

01:21:36.000 That's the question.

01:21:37.000 But then that fulfills PFL, Bellator, or you.

01:21:41.000 Yeah, fight pass.

01:21:41.000 Fight pass.

01:21:42.000 Fight pass.

01:21:43.000 Fight pass.

01:21:44.000 But to, again, the business side of it, the Zufa or TKO is going, well, hold on.

01:21:49.000 The reason we get such a big nut, $7.7 billion, because we offer so much content.

01:21:55.000 Right.

01:21:55.000 You guys are trying to do what our game plan was 15 years ago, which are just one big fight every once a month, which for the fans is fucking awesome.

01:22:05.000 It makes sense for Zufa and it makes sense for Netflix.

01:22:09.000 I get it.

01:22:10.000 All of it made sense.

01:22:11.000 It just wasn't a fit.

01:22:12.000 But what I was getting at, Is now it's interesting because Netflix has got a lot of money.

01:22:20.000 Netflix throws some money around, right?

01:22:22.000 And Netflix has a tremendous amount of subscribers.

01:22:25.000 And now Netflix is in the MMA game.

01:22:28.000 I'm glad you brought that up.

01:22:29.000 So, have you heard anybody talk about it?

01:22:32.000 Keep going. 0.90

01:22:33.000 Us, dorks like you and me, keep going. 0.93

01:22:34.000 No, no one in the real world is talking about it to me, but that's okay. 0.91

01:22:38.000 The point is, they're going to do it.

01:22:40.000 And just because it's on Netflix, I guarantee you millions of people will watch it.

01:22:45.000 I bet they'll have a hard time selling live tickets.

01:22:48.000 Let's see if it's sold out.

01:22:49.000 It's definitely not.

01:22:50.000 And the tickets are $88.

01:22:52.000 But this is where it gets tricky because the more places fighters have to go, the better.

01:23:01.000 Because UFC has no competition.

01:23:02.000 It's a monopoly.

01:23:02.000 Right.

01:23:03.000 All good.

01:23:04.000 Which NFL is, NBA is, I have no issues with that.

01:23:04.000 Right.

01:23:06.000 So if fighters, big name fighters, have a place to go and can get paid, I'm all for it.

01:23:06.000 Right.

01:23:10.000 Right.

01:23:11.000 The issue with this Netflix and getting MMA, it's like, my thing would be, well, what's the plan here?

01:23:16.000 Mm hmm.

01:23:17.000 So Ronda and Gino fight this weekend. 0.96

01:23:19.000 You got two four year olds fighting the main event.

01:23:22.000 It's going to get good numbers.

01:23:24.000 But again, and you know this, you've been in business with Netflix.

01:23:26.000 They're not going to give you the real numbers, right?

01:23:28.000 When you negotiate, they don't give you the real numbers. 0.99

01:23:30.000 No, they don't tell you shit. 0.99

01:23:31.000 They don't say, you did great. 1.00

01:23:32.000 They don't tell you.

01:23:33.000 But then all of a sudden, Jake Paul did.

01:23:35.000 400 million people.

01:23:36.000 I'm like, really?

01:23:38.000 Did he?

01:23:39.000 So they're going to say.

01:23:40.000 Well, Jake Paul can say that, right?

01:23:42.000 Did Netflix say that?

01:23:43.000 No, Netflix made like 400 million people.

01:23:43.000 Netflix said this.

01:23:45.000 Some bullshit like that. 0.99

01:23:46.000 How many people have Netflix? 0.99

01:23:48.000 I don't think they have that many.

01:23:49.000 I made up a crazy number, but it's a ton of people.

01:23:51.000 Our last article said that they have over 300 million subscribers.

01:23:54.000 So 100 million people were.

01:23:55.000 So say 100 million.

01:23:56.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:23:57.000 So say 100.

01:23:58.000 But so, and right now, you know, and I get Rhonda's being a promoter.

01:24:01.000 She learned from Dana. 0.98

01:24:02.000 She's like, we're going to destroy the White House.

01:24:04.000 I disagree.

01:24:05.000 I don't think it does.

01:24:06.000 But Netflix will tell you they did.

01:24:08.000 Well, here's the thing.

01:24:09.000 You, Even if it gets really good numbers, Jake Paul versus Anthony Joshua, 33 million viewers on Netflix.

01:24:15.000 That's really good.

01:24:16.000 That's really good.

01:24:18.000 I don't know what the Sean Strickland, Hamza Chamayev numbers were.

01:24:24.000 They might not have been 33 million.

01:24:26.000 Maybe they were.

01:24:27.000 The thing about it being Paramount, Paramount does not have the number of subscribers that Netflix has.

01:24:27.000 I don't know.

01:24:33.000 How many subscribers?

01:24:34.000 I'm guessing.

01:24:35.000 I think they have like 60 million, right?

01:24:35.000 I might be wrong.

01:24:37.000 How many subscribers does Paramount Plus have?

01:24:41.000 But this is what you're not taking into consideration.

01:24:43.000 Paramount and the UFC, it's only in America.

01:24:47.000 So in Canada and other places, like Paramount in Europe, it's not a thing.

01:24:52.000 So what are those views now?

01:24:54.000 Right.

01:24:54.000 You know, like when we're adding all this up.

01:24:56.000 Do you get Paramount in other countries? 0.96

01:24:58.000 I don't think the Paramount's in Europe and shit like that. 0.86

01:25:00.000 They're watching on Sky Sports, I think, out there. 0.96

01:25:02.000 They have a different deal.

01:25:04.000 And then Australia, I think, still has pay per view.

01:25:04.000 Oh, interesting.

01:25:07.000 Interesting.

01:25:08.000 I think you're right.

01:25:09.000 I think you're right.

01:25:10.000 Okay, 79 million subscribers.

01:25:13.000 So that's a big difference between.

01:25:15.000 It says globally.

01:25:16.000 Yeah, half of them are in the U.S. 35 million are in the U.S. Are there any countries where Paramount is not in?

01:25:23.000 Let's put that into.

01:25:25.000 Yeah, but I still think that UFC deal was just for the U.S.

01:25:28.000 Yeah, it's just for U.S. Just for U.S.

01:25:29.000 Okay.

01:25:29.000 Because U.K. is skysports.

01:25:31.000 So that means there's only 35 million people that it's reaching, period.

01:25:35.000 So they'll never get to the Jake Paul number, the Jake Paul number of the Anthony Joshua fight.

01:25:40.000 If that's an accurate number, 33 million, they're never going to get to that.

01:25:43.000 But remember, the White House is also on CBS.

01:25:46.000 That's different.

01:25:47.000 How many people have CBS?

01:25:48.000 How many people are watching regular TV?

01:25:51.000 That's wild.

01:25:51.000 Maybe they might have 30 more views.

01:25:53.000 Oh, my dad's crunk.

01:25:54.000 My dad's crunk. 1.00

01:25:55.000 That shit's on Channel 4 in Denver, Colorado. 1.00

01:25:58.000 He's your rabbit ears picking up. 1.00

01:25:59.000 They still have regular TV, man.

01:26:02.000 Regular TV is crazy.

01:26:03.000 Crazy. 0.99

01:26:04.000 Like some people have to fucking move the antenna. 1.00

01:26:06.000 The signal's coming in bad. 0.99

01:26:08.000 Crazy.

01:26:09.000 There's people out there with regular TV. 0.97

01:26:10.000 Yeah, hell yeah.

01:26:11.000 That's wild.

01:26:12.000 Where they only have the four channels.

01:26:13.000 That's crazy. 1.00

01:26:13.000 And they're just getting their news from like, you know, robots, Fox and fucking. 1.00

01:26:19.000 They don't even get Fox. 1.00

01:26:20.000 Fox is cable.

01:26:21.000 That's right.

01:26:22.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:26:23.000 Regular TV, you ain't getting jack shit. 0.99

01:26:26.000 They can swear on Fox. 0.99

01:26:27.000 Can they?

01:26:28.000 I believe so.

01:26:29.000 Because if it's on cable, I think you're allowed to swear.

01:26:31.000 Oh, wow.

01:26:33.000 I think so.

01:26:34.000 Yeah, but I don't think Fox is.

01:26:36.000 Well, there's a broadcast version of Fox, though.

01:26:39.000 Right, but is it regulated?

01:26:42.000 I believe if it's broadcast, it is.

01:26:44.000 But Fox still is cable.

01:26:44.000 That's the whole.

01:26:46.000 But broadcast and cable.

01:26:48.000 So what do you mean by there's a broadcast version?

01:26:50.000 So there's a version.

01:26:52.000 What's available?

01:26:53.000 Through the air.

01:26:54.000 That's what the FCC is.

01:26:55.000 So the broadcast version, meaning that you could just get it with a regular antenna?

01:26:59.000 Yeah, there's like a local Fox show.

01:27:02.000 Oh, okay.

01:27:02.000 Okay.

01:27:03.000 You're right.

01:27:05.000 Okay.

01:27:05.000 It came way later.

01:27:06.000 That's right.

01:27:06.000 I'm so old.

01:27:07.000 I remember when Fox was just cable.

01:27:09.000 Channel 31.

01:27:10.000 I remember we wanted it for The Simpsons and Married with Children.

01:27:13.000 Yeah.

01:27:13.000 The Simpsons, too.

01:27:14.000 Maybe it was broadcast back then.

01:27:17.000 Maybe I'm wrong.

01:27:18.000 I think I am.

01:27:18.000 It was hard to get.

01:27:19.000 It wasn't the strongest of signals in most places.

01:27:22.000 Okay.

01:27:22.000 But it was always broadcast.

01:27:24.000 Okay. 0.99

01:27:25.000 My fucking times changed now because there's like, you talk about Mob Land, there's so many dope shows. 0.99

01:27:31.000 There's so many good shows out there, but it's like hot for like a week and then something else comes. 0.99

01:27:36.000 There's too many things.

01:27:38.000 Like, I don't like there'd never be like Game of Thrones or Sopranos where it's like the entire world shuts down.

01:27:38.000 There's too much.

01:27:44.000 We all just kind of binge it when we want.

01:27:44.000 Right.

01:27:46.000 True.

01:27:47.000 And there's a new show here.

01:27:48.000 It's not good, man.

01:27:49.000 True.

01:27:50.000 That's fact.

01:27:51.000 That's fact.

01:27:52.000 Try selling a show right now.

01:27:53.000 Like that.

01:27:54.000 I was talking about my gearhead's gone wild on Tubi. 0.98

01:27:57.000 Tubi has fucking, I think, 300 million subscribers. 0.97

01:28:00.000 They're big. 0.99

01:28:01.000 But trying to sell a show.

01:28:03.000 He's 300 million subscribers on Tubi? 0.99

01:28:05.000 Tubi's fucking massive. 0.99

01:28:06.000 I didn't know either. 1.00

01:28:07.000 I didn't know either.

01:28:08.000 When I first got the offer, I'm like, where? 0.98

01:28:10.000 But again, trying to sell a show is fucking tough. 0.97

01:28:13.000 A car show? 0.99

01:28:14.000 Tough, dude.

01:28:15.000 I didn't know Tubi had that many subscribers.

01:28:18.000 Look that up to make sure.

01:28:20.000 I've been so exaggerating this episode.

01:28:22.000 They surpassed 100 million monthly active users.

01:28:27.000 How many subscribers do they have in total?

01:28:29.000 I know the numbers are all over the place.

01:28:31.000 Is it a subscriber thing or is it like a YouTube thing where you could just view it?

01:28:36.000 I would imagine it's tiered to have.

01:28:38.000 It says a free ad supported streaming service rather than subscription based model.

01:28:42.000 It's free, but they have subscribed, and then you can get the non ad paid where you pay, I think.

01:28:48.000 Oh, okay.

01:28:49.000 So you can just get it for free.

01:28:50.000 Yeah, like YouTube.

01:28:51.000 YouTube Red and Red.

01:28:52.000 YouTube is probably the biggest.

01:28:55.000 Well, like they probably have the most active viewers worldwide.

01:28:59.000 Not even close.

01:29:00.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:29:01.000 But then remember they tried doing like shows and it just ate shit? 0.93

01:29:04.000 Like YouTube Red. 0.96

01:29:06.000 Remember YouTube Red?

01:29:07.000 They're like making offers.

01:29:09.000 I remember YouTube Red.

01:29:10.000 That thing is crazy.

01:29:13.000 It's interesting because just a regular show on YouTube can do really well, like Mr. Beast.

01:29:18.000 Yeah, but I think YouTube Red was like kind of a little before that, right?

01:29:21.000 And they're like, right, put your shows on here and like, they jumped the gun.

01:29:24.000 Yeah, they jumped the gun.

01:29:25.000 Mr. Beast is like, or I'll just put my shit out and everybody in the world will watch it. 1.00

01:29:29.000 The thing about it, if you put your shit on YouTube, there's literally an infinite number of options and channels. 0.99

01:29:35.000 That's the thing. 0.99

01:29:37.000 And it's completely dependent on what you see, like the recommended for you.

01:29:41.000 It's completely what you're interested in.

01:29:43.000 Everything's niche now.

01:29:44.000 It's like there's people out there we don't even know.

01:29:47.000 And like my kids are like, Dad, he has 60 million subscribers. 1.00

01:29:50.000 I'm like, what the fuck? 1.00

01:29:51.000 I've never heard of this fucking guy. 1.00

01:29:52.000 I know. 1.00

01:29:53.000 You know how much money he's making?

01:29:55.000 Yeah.

01:29:55.000 It's all niche.

01:29:56.000 The thing's niche.

01:29:57.000 There's that, but then there's also astroturfing.

01:30:00.000 There's a lot of these.

01:30:01.000 Astroturfing is when you have fake downloads, fake views.

01:30:08.000 You have like companies that you can hire and they will get you views. 0.99

01:30:13.000 But here's the thing that's going to fuck you. 1.00

01:30:14.000 It'll fuck you. 1.00

01:30:15.000 But the point is, people still do it. 1.00

01:30:17.000 And they do it because you can do it right now.

01:30:20.000 Right.

01:30:21.000 And so, what that means is, like, say, if you have millions and millions of subscribers, and then you look at the views, the views are hundreds of thousands of views. 0.97

01:30:30.000 Then you look at the comments, like, fucking five comments. 0.98

01:30:32.000 Six comments, like, what the fuck is going on here? 0.99

01:30:34.000 What's going on here? 0.95

01:30:35.000 But it's a weird thing to do because, in order to make money, YouTube sees the back end.

01:30:39.000 Right.

01:30:40.000 So, if you're trying to make money off your show, you're not going to make money.

01:30:44.000 But it'll get bigger because of the number.

01:30:46.000 So, here's the thing.

01:30:47.000 Like, so if you go to, Like BrendanChaub.com. 0.73

01:30:50.000 If you did that, if you have Brendan Chaub's YouTube channel, and I looked at it, I'm like, damn, he's got 25 million subscribers? 0.97

01:30:56.000 Well, I should fucking subscribe. 0.96

01:30:57.000 People do that. 0.93

01:30:58.000 They'll click on it and they'll click on your views or your videos more often.

01:31:01.000 Because they think they're like missing out.

01:31:03.000 Like, clearly, this guy's doing something, right?

01:31:04.000 Of course.

01:31:05.000 It definitely, I'm not saying that's responsible for all the views that you'll get because of that, but it has an impact on how people see you.

01:31:12.000 You look more legitimate.

01:31:14.000 And if you're trying to develop sponsor deals or some sort of a brand endorsement deal, you're like, well, I've got 20 million subscribers on YouTube.

01:31:22.000 Like, oh, this guy's big.

01:31:24.000 Yeah, it definitely does.

01:31:24.000 That's true.

01:31:26.000 But then they're like, but there's three comments.

01:31:28.000 Well, there were scammers that were doing weird stuff in the early days of podcasts where they would rig things to exaggerate downloads back in the early days of audio only.

01:31:38.000 Oh, buddy.

01:31:39.000 Oh, yeah.

01:31:39.000 Yeah.

01:31:40.000 And then someone came and regulated it.

01:31:42.000 Exactly.

01:31:42.000 But it's not like we were all in on it.

01:31:44.000 No, no.

01:31:45.000 Like it was someone who was running because we're all kind of using the same audio thing.

01:31:49.000 And I remember telling Brian, I'm like, dude, we have 30 million fucking audio, 30 mil, dude, this month.

01:31:54.000 And then Tom's like, yeah, I got 60.

01:31:55.000 I'm like, dude, we're crushing it.

01:31:57.000 And then someone came in and was like, actually.

01:31:59.000 Yeah.

01:32:00.000 What it was doing was like every time someone clicked on it, it would count.

01:32:04.000 So that, like, I'm talking completely.

01:32:06.000 If they started and stopped it, right?

01:32:08.000 It counted over and over again as multiple listens.

01:32:08.000 It counted.

01:32:11.000 That's right.

01:32:12.000 And I think they do that with other things, too.

01:32:14.000 Like, so you have to figure out, like, who the actual number of people.

01:32:18.000 But people have been accused of making, like, you can pay to get Instagram accounts, you can get followers.

01:32:27.000 There's companies that will get you followers.

01:32:29.000 I don't know if it's legit or legal.

01:32:31.000 But I know for a fact that some people are going to. 0.99

01:32:32.000 But if you have Instagram in the background, doesn't YouTube, don't they try to shut that shit down? 0.99

01:32:36.000 They just. 0.99

01:32:36.000 They definitely do. 0.99

01:32:37.000 Millions of bots over the weekend.

01:32:39.000 100%.

01:32:40.000 And I notice it sometimes.

01:32:41.000 I'll notice it while I lose like 100,000.

01:32:43.000 Yeah, I lost 100,000.

01:32:44.000 Yeah.

01:32:45.000 But there are bots.

01:32:47.000 100%.

01:32:48.000 And there's a ton of them and they catch some of them.

01:32:49.000 But some of them are more sophisticated in their approach.

01:32:52.000 And then they adjust.

01:32:54.000 So once they realize what gets them caught, you could run an AI program.

01:32:57.000 Yeah.

01:32:58.000 So if you run an AI program and you have a. 0.99

01:33:00.000 Like if you're in fucking Singapore or wherever you're at doing this. 0.73

01:33:03.000 You could run an AI program that controls a bunch of different cell phones that has a bunch of different accounts, and you can have them even commenting on things. 0.98

01:33:13.000 And you'll notice this sometimes. 0.99

01:33:14.000 And they'll be programmed to comment positive or negative, and it seems like a fucking person, man. 1.00

01:33:20.000 Wow. 0.98

01:33:21.000 But you'll see that there's like a bunch of numbers after a couple of letters or a name like Bob567254.

01:33:29.000 And then you see, like, God, I don't think Bob's a person.

01:33:31.000 And then you go to Bob's account, and you're like, there's almost no chance that Bob's.

01:33:35.000 Person, but meanwhile, Bob's posting all the time and making comments on things all the time, and most likely what this is is it's paid engagement, so it's not just paid views, but because of AI and because of programs you could run, there's the potential for paid engagement.

01:33:52.000 Back and forth, me and Shot were talking about before you got here.

01:33:55.000 Is some I don't know that you're aware of this, Joe.

01:33:57.000 Uh, the streamers paying for clippers next level of what you're describing, so it's not AI doing it.

01:34:03.000 Have you heard of clippers?

01:34:04.000 Yes, they're paying for there's thousands of people that are just sitting around at home making a shitload of money, a ton of money.

01:34:10.000 And they're posting.

01:34:12.000 Because you'll think certain people are bigger than they are.

01:34:14.000 Like, man, I see them everywhere.

01:34:15.000 It's like, that's all by design.

01:34:17.000 And you can pay for that, too.

01:34:18.000 So that's probably legal, right?

01:34:20.000 So, no?

01:34:22.000 I mean, no.

01:34:24.000 Why should it be?

01:34:26.000 Right.

01:34:27.000 I mean, it all depends on what are you doing?

01:34:30.000 Are you getting money from it?

01:34:31.000 Are you getting advertising revenue from it?

01:34:34.000 To your point, it's a false sense of fame.

01:34:36.000 Because to your point with Armin, it's like, yeah, we know him and he's getting views online, but does that equal actual fans?

01:34:43.000 I think.

01:34:45.000 It reinforces the fans that already love them.

01:34:48.000 Yes.

01:34:49.000 And a few people are going to hop on board.

01:34:52.000 But as far as like your general casual that will tune in for a UFC fight card, no, not necessarily.

01:34:59.000 But it's also a younger demo, right?

01:35:01.000 Like, you ever watch the stream?

01:35:03.000 You're older than me?

01:35:03.000 No.

01:35:04.000 No, never watch the stream.

01:35:06.000 I had a talk with a streaming company the other day.

01:35:07.000 I'm like, do what?

01:35:08.000 Wait, wait, wait. 1.00

01:35:10.000 You want me to seven days a week turn on a camera and air my breakfast and shit? 0.99

01:35:14.000 Like hanging out with my family? 0.99

01:35:16.000 Well, the streaming thing is nuts where people just live online.

01:35:19.000 First of all, how bad is that for your back?

01:35:22.000 And you're just ranting and raving and talking online all day.

01:35:25.000 Can't be good.

01:35:25.000 But then, like, you know, we love Rampage.

01:35:28.000 Rampage does it making stupid money. 0.99

01:35:30.000 Yeah, but, you know, it's a good move for Rampage. 1.00

01:35:32.000 You know, he's not fighting anymore.

01:35:34.000 Yeah.

01:35:34.000 It's a good move.

01:35:35.000 And he's got the Jackson podcast.

01:35:35.000 Makes sense.

01:35:37.000 That's doing well.

01:35:38.000 It's good for him to diversify, do a bunch of different things.

01:35:40.000 He's crushing others.

01:35:41.000 And he's also got a great personality.

01:35:42.000 So he's great.

01:35:43.000 He's perfect for it.

01:35:44.000 Perfect for that.

01:35:45.000 But some people, you know, it ain't that thing.

01:35:49.000 Shouldn't be doing that.

01:35:50.000 But streaming's like the biggest thing.

01:35:52.000 Yeah, Jamie?

01:35:53.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:35:53.000 I get me saying old as fuck, but I got it. 0.99

01:35:55.000 Yeah, I don't think that's live. 0.99

01:35:55.000 We're old. 0.99

01:35:57.000 You know, it's also like, what are you doing with your life?

01:36:01.000 I got things to do.

01:36:03.000 I can't sit in front of the camera for five hours a day.

01:36:06.000 I don't understand how anybody does it.

01:36:08.000 But also, is it that entertaining? 0.97

01:36:10.000 Like, my life's not fucking lit. 0.96

01:36:17.000 Talk on social media. 0.97

01:36:22.000 They talk on social media.

01:36:30.000 Like reaction videos.

01:36:31.000 Yeah, getting mad about things he said and doing stuff.

01:36:34.000 But they were doing it through the, they would play the whole show out.

01:36:37.000 Oh, yeah.

01:36:38.000 That's illegal.

01:36:39.000 Well, it was very shady.

01:36:40.000 It was very weird because they were commenting on it.

01:36:43.000 But it was like your entire content was based on my content and your reaction to my content.

01:36:49.000 But, you know, it's weird.

01:36:51.000 You know, you're dunking on me or you're pumping me up or whatever you're doing.

01:36:55.000 There was a lot of that going on.

01:36:57.000 And so then there's a lot of people that are watching, whether it's Mr. Beast's show and commenting on that or other shows are coming on that.

01:37:02.000 So they're watching stuff online.

01:37:04.000 Someone will send them a video of a guy getting in a street fight.

01:37:07.000 They comment on that.

01:37:08.000 Yeah.

01:37:08.000 And then they're.

01:37:09.000 And they're interacting with all these people that are in the comments.

01:37:09.000 It's reaction videos.

01:37:12.000 They're making money off of it.

01:37:14.000 And they're talking to these people that are in the comments.

01:37:14.000 Yeah.

01:37:16.000 It's like.

01:37:16.000 It's weird.

01:37:17.000 First of all, if you think that social media is bad for your mental health.

01:37:21.000 Oh, my God.

01:37:22.000 Dude, yesterday I was driving down.

01:37:24.000 I dropped my kids off and I was going somewhere.

01:37:26.000 I was going to this car shop.

01:37:29.000 My truck's in the shop.

01:37:30.000 And I was driving my father in law's car and I see a high school bus, Lake Travis High School.

01:37:34.000 I live right by Lake Travis.

01:37:36.000 I see a Lake Travis High School bus pull up.

01:37:38.000 I just look over.

01:37:39.000 Every single kid staring at their phone, yep, not talking to each other.

01:37:44.000 No, not saying what it bummed me out so bad.

01:37:47.000 I know, you know, the fun we used to have on that bus, and no one's talking to each other.

01:37:52.000 I know the bus is silent.

01:37:54.000 I'm like, God, you guys are doing it wrong.

01:37:56.000 Well, it's not just a little bit.

01:37:57.000 I want to jump on that bus, like, hey, listen, I know I'm the old dude, you guys are up right now.

01:38:01.000 Well, you're right, but it is also where human beings are headed.

01:38:06.000 We're headed into this weird world of the digital world, and this is the first steps.

01:38:11.000 These are the first steps we're taking by staring into a phone all day.

01:38:14.000 But we know it's not good.

01:38:16.000 Oh, yeah.

01:38:16.000 No, it's not good.

01:38:17.000 So we're just going to continue to go down this shit road? 0.99

01:38:19.000 You don't think there's anything we can do? 1.00

01:38:21.000 People are addicted.

01:38:21.000 Nope.

01:38:22.000 They're 100% addicted to their phone.

01:38:25.000 I don't see anything changing.

01:38:27.000 I think, if anything, it's going to get more invasive.

01:38:31.000 And then it's probably, I mean, who knows?

01:38:35.000 Just guessing what the next technology is going to be.

01:38:38.000 But as this technology moves forward, it's going to get more invasive.

01:38:42.000 It's going to get more. 0.98

01:38:44.000 You're going to interact with more people through whatever the fuck it is.

01:38:49.000 However, they're going to do it, whether it's going to be some new tech that lets you communicate with people with a headset and you're reading each other's minds, or whether you're hanging out together in augmented reality or virtual reality. 0.92

01:39:01.000 It doesn't look like anybody's like, man, we're headed to it.

01:39:03.000 They're not going to.

01:39:03.000 No one's going to.

01:39:04.000 They're going to keep doing it.

01:39:05.000 Is it too much money?

01:39:06.000 No, it's just everyone's addicted and everyone uses it for too many things.

01:39:10.000 It's also a primary source of news and information.

01:39:13.000 I get all my ideas about how the world is working from social media.

01:39:20.000 Not.

01:39:21.000 Not social media commentary, but social media stories.

01:39:25.000 Well, someone will post, like, this is going on in Iran.

01:39:28.000 This is going on here.

01:39:29.000 I get it off social media.

01:39:30.000 I get it off of X.

01:39:31.000 But you have to pick and choose in what you pay attention to, right?

01:39:34.000 Yeah, it's dicey. 0.99

01:39:35.000 And you've got to find people that are not full of shit and not click engagement because there's a lot of click, a lot of just clickbait bullshit. 1.00

01:39:42.000 Yeah, there's a lot of that. 1.00

01:39:42.000 Majority is. 1.00

01:39:43.000 But you also find breaking news and you also find things that you wouldn't know about, you know, like certain stories and certain things that are happening in the news and certain.

01:39:54.000 Certain really crazy stories that are like, how am I not hearing about this? 0.95

01:39:57.000 This is, this should be fucking huge.

01:39:59.000 But you don't think it's going to be like, and I know we have to use it, you don't think it's going to be kind of like cigarettes, like in the 60s where everyone was doing it. 0.99

01:40:05.000 And then eventually the parents of those kids, I'm sorry, the children of those parents go, what the fuck? 0.99

01:40:11.000 This is so bad for you. 0.99

01:40:12.000 If it was a substance, I would agree.

01:40:14.000 But it's addictive.

01:40:15.000 It is addictive, but the problem is it's all facets of your life.

01:40:19.000 It is your calendar, it is your email, it is how you take pictures and all your memories.

01:40:25.000 It is how you interact with a lot of people.

01:40:27.000 There's a lot of people, I don't even have their phone numbers.

01:40:29.000 I just, they DM me.

01:40:30.000 And I DM them, you know, I have friendships with people that I just DM.

01:40:35.000 So it's, there's that.

01:40:37.000 But that's basically the problem is that it's a giant part of the world now where cigarettes never really were.

01:40:46.000 We're relying on it.

01:40:47.000 Yeah.

01:40:47.000 You could, there was a bunch of people who didn't smoke.

01:40:49.000 Even when people smoked cigarettes, like let's look this up.

01:40:53.000 Throw this into perplexity, young Jamie.

01:40:55.000 Please.

01:40:57.000 During the height of smoking in the United States, what percentage of adults smoked?

01:41:02.000 Let's guess.

01:41:03.000 God, back in the day, whenever it was the nuttiest, like in the 50s or whatever.

01:41:09.000 I think it was 50%.

01:41:10.000 That'd be high, right?

01:41:11.000 Crazy high.

01:41:12.000 30%.

01:41:13.000 Crazy high.

01:41:14.000 I was thinking like 33%.

01:41:16.000 But it might be higher.

01:41:18.000 Because those old days, man, everybody had a cigarette in their hand.

01:41:21.000 Johnny Carson show.

01:41:22.000 Everyone.

01:41:23.000 Yeah.

01:41:24.000 People walking on the streets, smoke on planes, smoke on buses, smoke on trains.

01:41:27.000 Everybody was walking down the street smoking, but what percentage of those people were doing it?

01:41:27.000 Yeah.

01:41:32.000 Okay, 40 to 45.

01:41:35.000 Wow, in the mid 1960s, the height of cigarette use in the U.S. roughly 40 to 45 percent of adults smoked, which works out to the order of 80 to 90 million adults.

01:41:46.000 Wow, that's incredible.

01:41:49.000 That's incredible.

01:41:50.000 American Lung Association summary notes that adult smoking has fallen to around 40 to 43 percent in 1965 to about 11 to 12 percent in 2022.

01:42:00.000 I think it's back.

01:42:01.000 I think people are smoking.

01:42:02.000 Really?

01:42:02.000 I feel like it's lower.

01:42:03.000 I think people are smoking.

01:42:05.000 I see it a lot now.

01:42:06.000 They just outlawed it in San Francisco.

01:42:08.000 Outside.

01:42:09.000 That's hilarious. 1.00

01:42:10.000 That's gay. 1.00

01:42:11.000 That's gay. 0.99

01:42:11.000 That's San Francisco. 0.99

01:42:13.000 The San Francisco Treaty.

01:42:13.000 That makes sense.

01:42:14.000 Well, you hear what they're doing in the UK?

01:42:17.000 If you were born before or after a certain date, you can't buy cigarettes when you turn 21.

01:42:26.000 Just to stop people from.

01:42:27.000 Exactly. 0.98

01:42:28.000 So people that were born in like fucking whatever year, whatever year they set it at. 0.98

01:42:34.000 When they turn 21, they will not be able to buy cigarettes. 0.99

01:42:36.000 Just trying to eliminate cigarettes.

01:42:37.000 But you'll be able to buy cigarettes because you were born at a different time. 1.00

01:42:39.000 They say, oh, you're retarded. 0.99

01:42:41.000 Thanks. 1.00

01:42:41.000 You don't know any better. 1.00

01:42:42.000 So stupid. 1.00

01:42:42.000 You can buy cigarettes. 1.00

01:42:44.000 It's communism, it's socialism. 1.00

01:42:46.000 Didn't they just run out the fucking, was it Prime Minister or the fuck they call him? 1.00

01:42:50.000 I thought they ran him out to bring somebody else in. 1.00

01:42:50.000 He's still there. 1.00

01:42:52.000 They probably want to, but they haven't.

01:42:54.000 Yeah, but the point is, it's like that kind of woke socialism.

01:42:58.000 It's like the government telling you what to do.

01:43:01.000 When I say communism, I don't mean like they take all your money because they'll definitely do that eventually too.

01:43:06.000 But what they do is they tell you what you can say.

01:43:08.000 Correct.

01:43:09.000 They tell you what you can do.

01:43:10.000 They tell you what medications you have to take.

01:43:12.000 It's all socialized medicine.

01:43:14.000 They tell you what to do and what to say and how to think and control your life.

01:43:18.000 And they're going to protect you. 0.99

01:43:19.000 Protecting someone from cigarettes while you're selling them alcohol is fucking bananas. 1.00

01:43:25.000 So dumb. 1.00

01:43:26.000 It's bananas. 1.00

01:43:27.000 It's dumb. 1.00

01:43:28.000 But England's lost their way, man. 1.00

01:43:30.000 They've lost their way. 1.00

01:43:31.000 It's a fucking shit show. 1.00

01:43:32.000 Well, they're arresting people like crazy for posting on social media about the immigration crisis, primarily. 1.00

01:43:38.000 Also, other things, but criticizing the government.

01:43:41.000 And now they threw away jury trials for those things.

01:43:45.000 So now it's a judge. 0.99

01:43:47.000 And so you don't even get people like you, your peers, to sit there and go, no, this fucking guy shouldn't go to jail. 1.00

01:43:52.000 His daughter got attacked by some immigrants, and he said some wild shit about immigrants. 1.00

01:43:57.000 No, he shouldn't be in jail for that. 0.99

01:43:58.000 But my thing is, what's the agenda? 0.99

01:44:02.000 Just to ruin the fucking control. 0.98

01:44:04.000 So shrink you down to 15 minute cities. 0.99

01:44:07.000 They're implementing that in part of the UK.

01:44:09.000 The other thing is a digital credit system, right?

01:44:13.000 So a digital credit score, a social score, and some sort of centralized digital currency, which I think they're probably going to try to move us all into eventually.

01:44:24.000 If they can attach your social credit score with this digital currency, then you have what they have in China. 1.00

01:44:30.000 So in China, if you fuck up and you do something stupid, guess what, fuck face? 1.00

01:44:35.000 You can't buy a plane ticket. 1.00

01:44:37.000 That's wild.

01:44:37.000 Yeah, you can't get a loan.

01:44:39.000 You can't get the.

01:44:40.000 And it keeps people in line.

01:44:42.000 And then the government can do its job without protests.

01:44:44.000 Dude, can I piss real quick? 0.88

01:44:46.000 Let's piss. 1.00

01:44:46.000 I'm too fucking. 1.00

01:44:47.000 Energy drip. 1.00

01:44:47.000 I got to piss. 1.00

01:44:48.000 We'll be right back, folks.

01:44:50.000 Ah.

01:44:51.000 So much better.

01:44:51.000 And we're back.

01:44:52.000 I know it's hard to concentrate when you have to piss.

01:44:54.000 Bro, you were talking. 0.84

01:44:55.000 I was like, oh, man, I really want to hear this moment to piss my pants.

01:44:58.000 What were we talking about?

01:44:59.000 Let's talk about your show.

01:45:01.000 We had a cigar, brother?

01:45:03.000 Yeah.

01:45:04.000 Hold on.

01:45:04.000 I was smoking the cigar.

01:45:05.000 Last time I smoked it backwards, I got roasted so hard online.

01:45:10.000 I know.

01:45:11.000 I didn't notice.

01:45:12.000 I didn't notice, but maybe I just smoke them backwards from now on.

01:45:15.000 Switch it up.

01:45:18.000 It is funny, though.

01:45:19.000 But it's really the same.

01:45:20.000 It's just where the label is.

01:45:22.000 Yeah, man.

01:45:23.000 What are these?

01:45:24.000 I'm a rebel.

01:45:25.000 Smoke it backwards.

01:45:26.000 You are a rebel.

01:45:29.000 There you go, fellas.

01:45:29.000 Thanks, brother.

01:45:33.000 Here's the clipper.

01:45:35.000 You know how this works.

01:45:36.000 Yeah, thanks.

01:45:37.000 Make sure you clip the right spot.

01:45:39.000 That's right.

01:45:39.000 That one.

01:45:40.000 There you go.

01:45:41.000 Yeah.

01:45:42.000 This cigar is different because it's not a torpedo like the other one.

01:45:46.000 So the other one, you could get more confused because both ends were pointy.

01:45:50.000 Do you know how to do that?

01:45:51.000 Do you need help?

01:45:51.000 Yeah.

01:45:52.000 No, I got a big deal.

01:45:53.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:45:54.000 Cigars I smoked.

01:45:54.000 Dude, you know me?

01:45:56.000 Only in here.

01:45:58.000 Woo! 1.00

01:45:58.000 Ah! 1.00

01:46:00.000 Oh, you light it.

01:46:01.000 That's right.

01:46:04.000 Um.

01:46:05.000 So, your show?

01:46:06.000 So, your show is on 2B.

01:46:08.000 2B.

01:46:08.000 Hey, so light this part, right?

01:46:12.000 Well, no, but this part.

01:46:13.000 Yeah, light this part.

01:46:13.000 Which part?

01:46:14.000 It's fucking, dude, it's tricky, right? 0.99

01:46:17.000 No. 1.00

01:46:17.000 No? 1.00

01:46:18.000 I'm just retarded. 0.91

01:46:19.000 Yeah, light the part that you didn't cut.

01:46:28.000 What's your show called?

01:46:28.000 What is it called?

01:46:30.000 Darehead's Gone Wild.

01:46:31.000 Oh, that's right.

01:46:32.000 Just like Girls Gone Wild.

01:46:34.000 Same text and everything.

01:46:36.000 Is that a problem?

01:46:38.000 No, hell no. 1.00

01:46:39.000 That guy's, I think, in fucking on the lamb in Mexico. 1.00

01:46:42.000 I think we're good. 1.00

01:46:43.000 Is he really?

01:46:44.000 Is he hiding?

01:46:44.000 Yeah, I think so.

01:46:46.000 Didn't he get kidnapped and they fucking stopped him? 0.98

01:46:46.000 Either way, we're good. 0.98

01:46:50.000 He had some dicey shit. 1.00

01:46:51.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

01:46:52.000 It turned out pretty sad for him. 0.92

01:46:55.000 Yeah, it's shit we would be doing anyways, you know? 0.94

01:46:59.000 And then they wanted to make a TV show out of it. 0.95

01:47:02.000 So, like, I went to Calvo, Calvo Vipers. 0.55

01:47:04.000 He scared the shit out of me.

01:47:06.000 Calvo Vipers.

01:47:07.000 I went to the biggest Porsche collection in Austin.

01:47:10.000 I'm obsessed with safari Porsches, man.

01:47:12.000 Oh, you like those?

01:47:13.000 Those off road ones?

01:47:13.000 God, I do.

01:47:14.000 Yeah, I think Russell makes them.

01:47:16.000 Russell, I forget the exact name, but Russell does it. 0.99

01:47:19.000 I don't know what the fuck it is. 0.98

01:47:21.000 When it's an off road, like that, just that vibe, I don't know what it is, dude. 0.99

01:47:27.000 I fucking love them, man.

01:47:29.000 Why do you love off road ones? 0.99

01:47:30.000 I don't know.

01:47:31.000 Is there a dirt track where you could take a Porsche off road car to?

01:47:35.000 Oh, I'm sure. 0.98

01:47:36.000 I bet, especially in California, like Johnson Valley and all that shit. 0.99

01:47:36.000 Where? 0.99

01:47:40.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:47:41.000 But out here, there's places out here people have been hitting me up about.

01:47:44.000 Right, but when you go off roading, generally, you're going off roading with a truck. 0.98

01:47:50.000 Where you can bounce over rocks and shit. 0.78

01:47:52.000 You can't really do that in an off road Porsche. 0.97

01:47:54.000 That's like more for those crazy mountain roads that are in the dirt.

01:47:58.000 Yeah, that's a Jacar, right?

01:47:59.000 Russell built fab.

01:48:00.000 Ooh, that's dope looking.

01:48:02.000 Dude, some dad had one at the baseball.

01:48:03.000 That's a 993?

01:48:04.000 Yeah.

01:48:05.000 Oh, wow.

01:48:07.000 So they took a 993 and, ooh, that's pretty.

01:48:12.000 It's my favorite thing in the world.

01:48:14.000 I don't know why.

01:48:15.000 Look at the wheel wells.

01:48:16.000 That's crazy.

01:48:19.000 Perfect daily driver, too.

01:48:19.000 Wow.

01:48:21.000 I have a fucking problem with those. 1.00

01:48:24.000 Extra front headlights they stick on the hood. 0.99

01:48:26.000 I do not like them, I think it up the lines of the car.

01:48:31.000 Agree, you could because you could put those on that front there, just take them on the bumper, or take them on the back in the dark. 1.00

01:48:36.000 Shut the fuck up, agree. 0.98

01:48:38.000 You ain't really off road, I mean, you're off roading, but you're not in the woods. 1.00

01:48:42.000 Oh, Joe, don't get twisted at night time, like all my trucks.

01:48:45.000 I have that Ram 2500 AV, that thing's never seen the dirt, right?

01:48:49.000 But that's different.

01:48:49.000 It's just a truck that looks fine with the extra lights on it, and yeah, but still.

01:48:54.000 I agree.

01:48:55.000 I think it's like whenever I see those old 9 11s, like the 1972s, and they have those extra headlights on the hood, I'm like, ew.

01:49:02.000 What are you doing?

01:49:02.000 Yeah.

01:49:04.000 You're ruining the lines of one of those beautiful creations. 1.00

01:49:07.000 You get bats out of fake tits. 1.00

01:49:08.000 You're like, what are you doing? 1.00

01:49:09.000 No, it's like extra fake tits. 1.00

01:49:11.000 It's like you've got two fake tits on your fucking. 1.00

01:49:13.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:49:15.000 You get some fucking collarbone tits. 1.00

01:49:18.000 Like, get those out of there. 1.00

01:49:19.000 They don't belong there. 0.96

01:49:21.000 More is not always better.

01:49:23.000 And the shape of a Porsche, especially those long nose.

01:49:26.000 Porsches.

01:49:27.000 Oh, it's so beautiful. 1.00

01:49:29.000 When you have dumbass fucking headlights on the hood, like, get out of here. 1.00

01:49:32.000 It's just not meant to be. 1.00

01:49:33.000 Yeah, get out of here. 1.00

01:49:34.000 Yeah, I like different shit. 1.00

01:49:35.000 I don't like, I agree with those headlights, they do fuck up the lines. 1.00

01:49:38.000 But, like, the thing I'm really, I'm just into different shit. 0.97

01:49:41.000 Like, I like when they swap the LS's in the Porsches, too. 0.97

01:49:44.000 Oh, yeah, that's dope.

01:49:45.000 Yeah, just the sound. 0.57

01:49:47.000 That chop.

01:49:48.000 Yeah.

01:49:49.000 Yeah, I don't know. 0.99

01:49:49.000 It's shit like that, man. 0.99

01:49:51.000 I like those. 1.00

01:49:52.000 A lot of people think that's heretics.

01:49:54.000 That's like, oh, my God, you should go to jail for that.

01:49:57.000 Water cooled LS engine in a Porsche.

01:49:57.000 Oh, dude, I brought it.

01:50:00.000 This guy's like, he's the head guy for Porsche driving.

01:50:00.000 Bro, it.

01:50:04.000 He's driving me around.

01:50:05.000 And I go, man, you ever drew him with those LS Porsches? 0.99

01:50:07.000 And he was like, what the fuck do you guys say? 0.96

01:50:10.000 And I'm like, you don't get down with those? 1.00

01:50:11.000 He's like, fuck. 1.00

01:50:12.000 No, I'm like, yeah, those are gay. 1.00

01:50:13.000 They're so gay. 0.98

01:50:16.000 No, they're awesome. 1.00

01:50:17.000 Yeah, I just like different shit, man. 0.99

01:50:19.000 Yeah, Rutledge Wood had one of those. 1.00

01:50:21.000 He had one of those. 1.00

01:50:24.000 What's the fucking Japanese cat that does the Y bodies? 1.00

01:50:27.000 Oh, I know you're talking about. 1.00

01:50:28.000 I saw him.

01:50:29.000 Yes.

01:50:29.000 RWB?

01:50:30.000 Yeah.

01:50:31.000 He had one of those with an LS in it.

01:50:34.000 That's pretty sick.

01:50:35.000 And there's companies that do that.

01:50:36.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:50:37.000 They're sick. 0.54

01:50:38.000 And it sounds incredible. 0.96

01:50:39.000 It sounds like an American muscle car, but yet it's in a car that's like 2,000 pounds.

01:50:44.000 Dude, and all I do is search Facebook Marketplace for RS Swap Porsches.

01:50:48.000 God, you can get some good deals because no one really wants them.

01:50:51.000 Isn't that crazy?

01:50:52.000 Yeah.

01:50:52.000 Because everybody wants the air cooled.

01:50:53.000 Because the air cooled has that raspy.

01:50:57.000 They are the best.

01:50:58.000 It's a wild sound.

01:50:58.000 Air cooled is great.

01:50:59.000 It's a wild sound.

01:51:00.000 That air cooled sound is a wild sound.

01:51:02.000 As I'm getting older, too, it's like, you know, I've had trucks with 1,400 horsepower, I've had cars with 1,100 horsepower.

01:51:10.000 And then if you just get an old school Porsche air cooled with 250 horsepower manual.

01:51:17.000 It's all you need, dude.

01:51:18.000 They're so fun. 0.99

01:51:19.000 As you get older, you're like, oh, why am I chasing this fucking horsepower? 0.97

01:51:22.000 Yeah, because it's just about driving enjoyment. 0.97

01:51:24.000 It's not about, you're not racing it.

01:51:27.000 No.

01:51:27.000 You know, you're not on a track.

01:51:29.000 Oh, dude, I knew I had issues when I was driving my kid to his fucking baseball game and my car was running hot. 0.98

01:51:35.000 My TRX, 1400 horsepower, was running hot. 0.99

01:51:37.000 I converted to twin turbo, Hellcat engine.

01:51:41.000 It's like 1400.

01:51:42.000 It's run on E85 fuel.

01:51:43.000 There's no E85 out there. 0.99

01:51:45.000 I'm in the middle of fucking like dripping springs. 0.92

01:51:47.000 I had to pull over on the side of the road because it's, The engine was smoking. 0.99

01:51:51.000 I just went, What the fuck am I doing, man? 0.97

01:51:53.000 Who am I doing this for? 0.99

01:51:54.000 It's not like I'm taking it to the track.

01:51:55.000 Who am I doing this for?

01:51:57.000 Well, a Hennessy has a thousand and you can drive it everywhere.

01:52:01.000 Yeah, that's probably the way to do it.

01:52:02.000 Hennessy TRX.

01:52:03.000 Yeah, they're great.

01:52:03.000 Hennessy Raptor.

01:52:04.000 Yeah, I almost bought one of those.

01:52:06.000 And then I got that AV Ram and I linked up with Diesel R and we're doing a Randy's transmission.

01:52:12.000 I got a freaking stealth bigger turbo on there, fast fuel system.

01:52:16.000 Oh, bro.

01:52:17.000 Let me get my pants on.

01:52:18.000 Oh, yeah, I don't know if you're into that stuff.

01:52:20.000 But I'm picking it up today.

01:52:22.000 It's finally done, dude.

01:52:23.000 Ooh, that sounds fun. 0.95

01:52:24.000 Oh, dude, I can't fucking wait. 0.97

01:52:26.000 That sounds fun. 0.94

01:52:27.000 Yeah.

01:52:29.000 So the idea is you just drive it around, going to different places, having people do different things with cars.

01:52:36.000 Yeah.

01:52:36.000 Check out what people are doing, different mods are doing.

01:52:40.000 And it's like that old school car shows that we grew up on.

01:52:40.000 Yeah.

01:52:43.000 Like, it'll throw up facts about Porsches or about the car.

01:52:46.000 It'll just pop up with that stuff.

01:52:48.000 And that's like our boys, like Gordon Ryan was on there with his TRX.

01:52:51.000 He has like 120,000 miles on it.

01:52:54.000 That's it, really, dude.

01:52:55.000 That thing's so busted up, but he just drives it every day.

01:52:58.000 He off roads it.

01:53:00.000 He just, we go in his car.

01:53:01.000 I'm like, dude, I said, No, Gordon, I'm gonna tell you the same thing I tell everybody when I get in the car with him.

01:53:07.000 I know it's for TV, I don't need your show off.

01:53:09.000 Nobody's trying to get hurt.

01:53:10.000 He's like, I got you, man. 0.98

01:53:11.000 And was just fucking ripping this thing, dude. 0.96

01:53:13.000 I'm like, I flipped one of these things, man. 0.98

01:53:15.000 It ain't fun, bud.

01:53:16.000 It ain't fun, but it's uh, yeah, just we like, you know.

01:53:20.000 And then someone's like, You want to do a TV show with them?

01:53:22.000 I'm like, Yeah, let's ride, man.

01:53:23.000 It's interesting how much that's a male thing. 1.00

01:53:25.000 There are women that are into cars. 0.92

01:53:27.000 But I don't know any women. 1.00

01:53:29.000 I mean, I'm sure they're out there. 1.00

01:53:30.000 But I don't know any women that are into cars the way we're into cars. 1.00

01:53:33.000 No. 1.00

01:53:34.000 No.

01:53:36.000 Some of them, some of them like cars.

01:53:37.000 They're into it.

01:53:39.000 But for me, it's like that is one of the one things about having some money that is worth it.

01:53:46.000 Like I always tell people, having a nice house is great.

01:53:49.000 It is great.

01:53:50.000 There's definitely nothing wrong with having a nice house.

01:53:52.000 But after a while, it just becomes your house.

01:53:54.000 And if you're in a humble house that has a nice kitchen and a big TV and a couch and a nice bed to sleep on, You're set.

01:53:54.000 Yes.

01:54:01.000 You're kind of set.

01:54:02.000 Yeah.

01:54:02.000 Like the difference in the way you feel when you're home versus a nice house is not much different.

01:54:08.000 The difference in driving a nice car is like you are taking a ride to work.

01:54:08.000 Agreed.

01:54:14.000 You are at Disneyland.

01:54:16.000 Yes.

01:54:16.000 You would wait in line to get in that car.

01:54:19.000 And you're boom, boom. 0.99

01:54:20.000 And you're fucking shifting your own gears and. 1.00

01:54:25.000 Woo! 0.99

01:54:26.000 It's fun. 1.00

01:54:27.000 And the shit is psyched. 0.99

01:54:28.000 I lived through you because, you know, obviously we're in different tax brackets. 1.00

01:54:31.000 You know, I got to do my thing on Facebook Marketplace and shit. 0.99

01:54:34.000 I picked up tires the other day and he goes, Holy shit, Brennan Schaab buys tires off Facebook Marketplace. 1.00

01:54:39.000 I go, Yeah, dude, who doesn't want a fucking deal, man? 0.99

01:54:41.000 Put those in the back for me, dude. 0.98

01:54:42.000 But, uh, yeah, you got one of those Porsche.

01:54:45.000 I think it's your Gunther Porsche.

01:54:46.000 Yes.

01:54:47.000 And you took a picture and you're like, dude, I'll just sit in my garage and stare at it.

01:54:50.000 I'm like, dude, I've never.

01:54:52.000 I stare at it sometimes.

01:54:52.000 I do.

01:54:54.000 Sit in the garage and look at it. 1.00

01:54:55.000 Oh, it's a fucking piece of art, man. 1.00

01:54:57.000 Yeah, all carbon fiber. 0.99

01:54:59.000 Yeah, dude, when I see like that type of Porsche, like the Gunther Works, or I'll see a certain car, I'm just like, I can't even describe the. 0.99

01:55:08.000 It's like, fuck, dude. 1.00

01:55:11.000 That is so sick. 1.00

01:55:13.000 Do you see the Gunther Works made a.

01:55:13.000 Yeah.

01:55:15.000 Twin turbo slant nose.

01:55:17.000 I sent it to you.

01:55:19.000 Peter Nam sent it to me too.

01:55:21.000 The owner of the company sent it to me.

01:55:22.000 Oh, you know?

01:55:23.000 Yeah.

01:55:23.000 Well, I bought it off him.

01:55:25.000 I bought one off him. 1.00

01:55:26.000 Not that, not the slant nose. 1.00

01:55:27.000 I didn't buy it off him. 1.00

01:55:28.000 I didn't buy it off him.

01:55:29.000 No, no, I did with Peter.

01:55:31.000 He's awesome.

01:55:31.000 But that's it.

01:55:32.000 That car is insane.

01:55:34.000 They raced that one against a GT3 RS and it buried it.

01:55:39.000 Buried it.

01:55:41.000 Buried it.

01:55:42.000 Yeah.

01:55:44.000 They did some rolling race like from 30 miles an hour and literally it just.

01:55:49.000 Shot ahead like the other car was powered.

01:55:51.000 1,067 horsepower?

01:55:53.000 It's nothing.

01:55:55.000 What does it weigh?

01:55:55.000 It weighs nothing.

01:55:58.000 Please search what the slant nose Gunther works weigh.

01:56:03.000 Because their carbon fiber, 100%.

01:56:07.000 Their carbon fiber.

01:56:08.000 2,000 something?

01:56:10.000 Yeah.

01:56:10.000 Yeah, I bet it's about 2,400 pounds.

01:56:13.000 2,700.

01:56:14.000 27.

01:56:14.000 So it's close.

01:56:16.000 But the engine's probably super heavy.

01:56:18.000 Well, I don't know if it's super heavy, but there's a lot of jazz in there.

01:56:22.000 But what engine is it?

01:56:25.000 I think it's a.

01:56:26.000 Four liter twin turbo flat six.

01:56:28.000 Yeah, and it's air cooled, which is so nuts.

01:56:32.000 A thousand horsepower flat six air cooled engine is crazy.

01:56:40.000 Brother, and people, everyone, like you talk to anyone, like, I want a thousand horsepower.

01:56:44.000 You think you want a thousand horsepower.

01:56:45.000 Now, it's not like your ZRX, ZR1X.

01:56:48.000 It's not like that.

01:56:49.000 Like if you buy it, or like at my Demon 170, if you get it from the factory, you're good.

01:56:54.000 When you have a TRX or your Corvette, Or, you know, I've had other trucks, my Ford Lightning.

01:57:00.000 If you're reaching a thousand horsepower, buddy, you think you want those problems.

01:57:04.000 You do not.

01:57:05.000 Right. 1.00

01:57:05.000 It's a fucking nightmare. 1.00

01:57:07.000 And then also, every week, I was in the shop calling Buddy, doing something. 0.99

01:57:11.000 I'm like, this is exhausting.

01:57:13.000 Well, this won't be like that.

01:57:14.000 Like, the Guntaworks ones are reliable.

01:57:16.000 I've never installed them.

01:57:17.000 But the question is, does that have any traction control?

01:57:17.000 No, those are great.

01:57:21.000 Hopefully not.

01:57:24.000 Like, Jamie, could you please look up whether or not these new Guntaworks Porsches have?

01:57:29.000 Traction control is good.

01:57:31.000 Is Gunther's?

01:57:31.000 I don't know how they can do that now.

01:57:33.000 I know they can do it.

01:57:34.000 There's like a computer thing that you could buy.

01:57:36.000 Is Gunther's in California?

01:57:38.000 Where are they at?

01:57:38.000 I believe so.

01:57:39.000 Yeah, I'm 99% sure.

01:57:41.000 If you should connect me with him because I'd love to do an episode with him, a wooden shift knob pays tribute to the Porsche's motorsport carriage.

01:57:47.000 Modern electronics like motorsports grade ABS and traction control.

01:57:52.000 Oh, okay.

01:57:53.000 Well, that's good.

01:57:53.000 It's nice that it has ABS too.

01:57:55.000 That's dope.

01:57:56.000 That's you're going to need it.

01:57:57.000 You're going to need it.

01:57:59.000 But see if you can find the race between the GT3 RS and the slant nose.

01:58:04.000 Bro, it is hilarious.

01:58:06.000 That's crazy.

01:58:07.000 And the sound it makes is orgasmic.

01:58:10.000 I can't imagine how much that thing is.

01:58:11.000 Wonderful.

01:58:12.000 Oh, it's got to be a million dollars.

01:58:13.000 Yeah.

01:58:14.000 Here's my problem with Porsche even 20 years ago, when I first bought my very first car I bought when I had money, I got it from a podcast myself 15 years ago.

01:58:23.000 I bought just your base 911.

01:58:25.000 Went to the Porsche dealer, bought a base 911.

01:58:28.000 I could afford it.

01:58:29.000 It was, I don't know, 80 grand.

01:58:31.000 Now, Porsche has become, it's almost like what Ferrari was 10 years ago, where.

01:58:37.000 Just the base Porsche is so expensive, man.

01:58:40.000 It's pricing out their market.

01:58:41.000 So now it's become, and we've been on Porsche for how long?

01:58:44.000 Like, we've always talked about Porsche.

01:58:45.000 Forever.

01:58:46.000 Forever. 1.00

01:58:46.000 It's our shit. 1.00

01:58:47.000 Watch this. 1.00

01:58:48.000 Oh, my God.

01:58:48.000 It's Top Gear.

01:58:50.000 Oh, it's Top Gear.

01:58:50.000 Yeah.

01:58:51.000 Great.

01:58:51.000 Great channel.

01:58:52.000 Yes.

01:58:54.000 So these guys, they do a rolling start.

01:58:56.000 I guess they did a rolling start because they didn't want to dump the clutch on this million dollar car.

01:59:00.000 Way safer than this way.

01:59:01.000 Watch this.

01:59:02.000 Watch this.

01:59:02.000 When they get to 30.

01:59:04.000 Look at that interior, dude.

01:59:06.000 Watch this.

01:59:07.000 Go.

01:59:07.000 Whoa, I'm playing.

01:59:10.000 Bro, it's not even close.

01:59:15.000 It's not even close.

01:59:16.000 It's not even close.

01:59:18.000 That's insane.

01:59:20.000 And a GT3 RS is a fast car. 0.99

01:59:22.000 Fast motherfucking car. 0.99

01:59:24.000 But this was not his car. 0.99

01:59:26.000 Obviously, this is someone else's car that they're letting him test.

01:59:30.000 And so, whoever bought that car and spent a million dollars on it, how much did they cost?

01:59:35.000 1.2.

01:59:36.000 1.2 million dollars.

01:59:39.000 Yeah, again, that's my only issue with Porsche because if you want a GT3 RS, 3RS, they're so expensive, man.

01:59:45.000 It's like.

01:59:45.000 Well, people flip them.

01:59:47.000 A lot of people flip them because they're really hard to get, too.

01:59:50.000 Yeah.

01:59:51.000 It's just.

01:59:51.000 A lot of demand for them.

01:59:52.000 Yeah, it's tough.

01:59:52.000 Where back in the day, even if you're a Porsche, you could start somewhere and you'd be okay.

01:59:57.000 And now it's almost like Ferrari where it's unattainable for a lot of people.

01:59:59.000 Well, you know what a lot of people are doing?

02:00:01.000 It's $400,000 more.

02:00:04.000 It's $1.6 million.

02:00:05.000 Yeah.

02:00:05.000 That car is?

02:00:06.000 $1.6 million is crazy.

02:00:07.000 Worth every penny.

02:00:08.000 If you got that loot.

02:00:09.000 If you got that loot.

02:00:10.000 Please buy it.

02:00:11.000 One of the things that people are doing is taking that lighter weight.

02:00:14.000 Porsche 911T, you know the T?

02:00:17.000 Yep.

02:00:18.000 And they're taking that and juicing it up to like 700 plus horsepower and, you know, putting some mods on it.

02:00:25.000 Now you're talking about language.

02:00:26.000 Yeah, because you can do that for way less than it would cost you to buy a twin turbo.

02:00:30.000 Yeah.

02:00:31.000 And you're getting the same kind of speed, but you're also getting rear wheel drive.

02:00:34.000 Yep.

02:00:35.000 And you can get them for pretty, pretty, I don't want to say cheap, but cheaper.

02:00:39.000 Like it's so tough, man, to get some of those, like the GT3RSs, you got to be allocated or.

02:00:39.000 Cheaper.

02:00:45.000 It's like 150 over markup.

02:00:46.000 Like, it's tough these days in the Porsche business.

02:00:49.000 They're crushing it.

02:00:50.000 It's good for them.

02:00:51.000 But again, for like my kids, hopefully they're fortunate enough where they're making good money, but it's going to be really tough to get in a Porsche, man.

02:00:51.000 Right.

02:00:58.000 It's just a different, the Porsche has become the marquee car when back in the day it wasn't that.

02:01:04.000 It wasn't.

02:01:04.000 No.

02:01:05.000 You know, it used to be much more affordable.

02:01:07.000 It was the more affordable supercar, a daily driving supercar.

02:01:12.000 But, you know, the market, and it's also things change, right?

02:01:16.000 Because now everything is twin turbo.

02:01:17.000 They're all twin turbo.

02:01:18.000 Yeah.

02:01:18.000 Unless you buy a GT3, they're twin turbo.

02:01:21.000 Yep.

02:01:21.000 Yeah.

02:01:22.000 You know, I think, too, one of the reasons I went away from exotics because I mean, you know, I even modded my GT2 RS like I'm an idiot, but it loses value in them.

02:01:32.000 So when you mod them, when you mod them, it fucks them up.

02:01:35.000 And I just can't leave anything alone. 0.99

02:01:37.000 So that's why I went so heavy into American shit because, you know, the C6s, all the American stuff, you can mod the fuck out of them. 1.00

02:01:44.000 There's a market there, you're not losing your ass. 1.00

02:01:47.000 And they're cheaper to mod. 0.99

02:01:48.000 Like when I would mod a Ferrari, buddy. 0.99

02:01:50.000 Exhaust, whatever the fuck, turbos. 1.00

02:01:53.000 If you want to do a tune, it's a fucking nightmare, man. 1.00

02:01:56.000 Nightmare. 1.00

02:01:56.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:01:57.000 Well, it's all, to me, it's all about enjoyment, right?

02:02:02.000 And so, like, what are you getting out of it?

02:02:05.000 If you're not, like, racing it and trying to go around corners sideways and fucking correcting, and you're not really doing that with most cars, you're just enjoying it when you're driving it.

02:02:15.000 And for me, I love the feel of a V8.

02:02:19.000 Like, I have one of those Shelby Super Snakes.

02:02:22.000 Yeah.

02:02:23.000 It's a six speed car.

02:02:24.000 Didn't you get the Super Snake car?

02:02:26.000 It hasn't got it yet.

02:02:28.000 It's on the way.

02:02:29.000 Wee! 0.98

02:02:31.000 I fucking love that car because it's a modern muscle car. 0.98

02:02:34.000 Driving it is like driving an old school muscle car, but it's all modern and perfect, starts every time, interior is great. 0.98

02:02:42.000 And it's just the fun of just driving normal speed, just normal speed, just driving to work, not speeding, just you feel like you're doing something fun.

02:02:53.000 And do you get that same excitement in your ZR1X?

02:02:56.000 No, no, it's not the same.

02:02:58.000 The ZR1X is on another planet, it's a spaceship.

02:03:01.000 I mean, it's the most capable car I've ever driven by far.

02:03:04.000 Like when I took the ZR1 around the racetrack, we drove it around Koda, I was like, this thing is.

02:03:09.000 Crazy.

02:03:10.000 It's so fast and it handles so well and it gives you so much confidence.

02:03:14.000 But it's different when you're not shifting your own gears.

02:03:19.000 You're not using the clutch.

02:03:20.000 It's all about that.

02:03:23.000 The driving experience is about engagement.

02:03:25.000 And if you're not using a manual, you're missing.

02:03:28.000 You're going to have fun.

02:03:30.000 Don't get me wrong.

02:03:31.000 You get a Corvette, you're going to have a lot of fun.

02:03:32.000 For sure.

02:03:33.000 Great car.

02:03:34.000 But shifting your own gear, you know, they finally started making a gear, a manual transmission for the C8.

02:03:42.000 Yeah.

02:03:42.000 Really?

02:03:43.000 So it's not.

02:03:43.000 Is the Grand Sport coming in manual?

02:03:46.000 I don't think it's going to be offered by Corvette.

02:03:48.000 I don't know if there are in the future.

02:03:49.000 It's a good chip, it is.

02:03:50.000 But you can buy one now.

02:03:51.000 So see what the company is that does that.

02:03:54.000 But it's a famous transmission company that's making a C8 manual transmission.

02:03:59.000 And everybody saw that and were like, oh.

02:04:02.000 Because that's the only knock I've heard on actual car guys with ZR1X. 1.00

02:04:05.000 They go, fast as fuck. 0.99

02:04:07.000 It's great. 1.00

02:04:08.000 But it's kind of doing it for you.

02:04:09.000 Like the drive's different.

02:04:11.000 Like it's so.

02:04:13.000 It's a spaceship.

02:04:15.000 You're Luke Skywalker.

02:04:16.000 Yes. 1.00

02:04:17.000 Does not offer a manual trans. 1.00

02:04:18.000 Tremick.

02:04:19.000 Tremick has developed a six speed manual that fits a C8.

02:04:19.000 Okay.

02:04:23.000 GM considers it not real for production.

02:04:26.000 What does that mean?

02:04:27.000 But Tremick makes it.

02:04:28.000 But they make it.

02:04:29.000 Yeah.

02:04:29.000 Are they selling it?

02:04:30.000 Is Tremick not selling it or did they make it just for funsies?

02:04:33.000 I have no idea.

02:04:34.000 Because Tremick made the transmission on my superstar.

02:04:37.000 They make the best transmissions.

02:04:37.000 Tremick's made it.

02:04:39.000 Tremick's new six speed manual transactional opens the door for manual swap vets and other creations.

02:04:44.000 They can do it.

02:04:45.000 This is what I would do. 0.99

02:04:47.000 What I would do is get a Z06 and put a fucking manual in it. 0.99

02:04:55.000 Let's go. 0.99

02:04:55.000 Now we're cooking. 0.99

02:04:56.000 Let's fucking go. 0.99

02:04:57.000 Now you have literally the ultimate Corvette. 1.00

02:04:59.000 I get that Z06 and that orange.

02:05:00.000 There's no word yet on price timeline or who's going to cook up the software to tell the Corvette to cooperate with a three pedal transmission.

02:05:07.000 That is the problem.

02:05:08.000 Because you're going to have to.

02:05:09.000 And the ECU.

02:05:10.000 It's a big problem.

02:05:10.000 Yeah.

02:05:11.000 Yeah.

02:05:12.000 Like the biggest problem I've had is with the ECU.

02:05:15.000 People don't realize, you know, the guys who do all the mods they do, but it's like I got a 2024 RAM and.

02:05:21.000 Right away, I'm like, all right, what mods am I going to do?

02:05:24.000 I'm talking to Randy's transmission banks, I'm talking to my boys at Diesel R, and they're like, you got a 2024?

02:05:29.000 I'm like, yeah, what's up?

02:05:30.000 Low miles, man. 0.99

02:05:31.000 Like, I fucked up. 0.99

02:05:32.000 I'm like, why? 0.97

02:05:34.000 Like, because 2024 and up, there's no way to unlock that ECU.

02:05:40.000 Like, we have to find an ECU from a 2022 or earlier.

02:05:44.000 And I'm like, okay, those can't be expensive.

02:05:47.000 Oh, they're blood diamonds because everybody wants that.

02:05:50.000 You're looking at seven grand for an unlocked ECU?

02:05:54.000 And that's.

02:05:54.000 That's the ECU.

02:05:55.000 That's not adding any power.

02:05:56.000 That's just to get it so you can add the power.

02:05:59.000 Oh, my God.

02:06:00.000 That's crazy.

02:06:00.000 And then Diesel R, they were like, dude, we have one.

02:06:02.000 I'm like, no fucking way. 0.96

02:06:04.000 Well, how about this new law that they just passed where your car's going to monitor you and then they're going to have a kill switch in your car? 0.99

02:06:13.000 So to keep people from drinking and driving, or if maybe they don't like what Brendan Shaw posted on Twitter, they just fucking shut your car down. 0.99

02:06:21.000 I think that's even more reason to buy old shit. 1.00

02:06:24.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:06:25.000 A lot of reason to buy old shit. 0.99

02:06:27.000 Put that, please, into perplexity and ask them when this law is being passed and what the law entails. 0.99

02:06:35.000 Because I've been hearing a lot of different versions of it.

02:06:38.000 I want to know what these guys are.

02:06:39.000 It's going to pass in California first.

02:06:40.000 Well, it's passed nationwide.

02:06:42.000 And Thomas Massey voted against it.

02:06:45.000 And I think Fetterman might have voted against it, too.

02:06:48.000 I'm not sure.

02:06:49.000 Real federal mandate tied to 2027 model year cars.

02:06:54.000 It's about impaired driving detection.

02:06:57.000 Yeah, but this is how it starts.

02:06:58.000 The problem is if it has a kill switch.

02:07:01.000 Ask if it has a kill switch, if that's part of it.

02:07:04.000 I mean, it probably is going to be in here.

02:07:04.000 Explain it.

02:07:07.000 Right.

02:07:08.000 Okay.

02:07:09.000 Why people call it a kill switch?

02:07:10.000 Because the system may be able to prevent the engine from starting or shut down performance if it decides you're impaired.

02:07:17.000 So that's a kill switch.

02:07:18.000 So that is great if you're preventing someone from drinking and driving.

02:07:23.000 That is not great if you are Nick Fuentes and you're in your car and you're, you know.

02:07:23.000 Correct.

02:07:30.000 But that's the Trojan horse.

02:07:31.000 Like, they get you in with that.

02:07:32.000 It's for safety.

02:07:33.000 May is a key word in there.

02:07:33.000 That's the thing.

02:07:35.000 May be able.

02:07:35.000 Well, the thing about that is, I think they already have that with the Corvette.

02:07:41.000 I think with OnStar, if someone steals your car, you can shut it down.

02:07:46.000 So, that's the security.

02:07:46.000 Right.

02:07:48.000 If you have a Corvette and Brendan Chobb is running from the law and you're trying to get to Canada.

02:07:55.000 But can't they do that with your Teslas?

02:07:58.000 That's probably.

02:07:59.000 It's a computer.

02:07:59.000 I mean, it's a computer.

02:08:00.000 Of course, they probably can do that.

02:08:03.000 I'm really bummed out that Tesla has canceled the Model S. Jamie and I were just talking about it before the show. 0.97

02:08:08.000 Oh, they could all go away, and I wouldn't give two fucks. 0.95

02:08:10.000 I know he's your boy, but I just don't care. 0.99

02:08:12.000 Do your thing.

02:08:12.000 I listen to your mouth.

02:08:13.000 I drive it all the time.

02:08:14.000 I love it.

02:08:14.000 With all the cars you have, I love it.

02:08:16.000 It's the one thing I'm like.

02:08:17.000 I love it. 1.00

02:08:19.000 Listen, I love V8s.

02:08:21.000 Look, I drove my Raptor here.

02:08:23.000 That Raptor's badass.

02:08:24.000 A fanboy would say that it's going to be replaced by that Roadster that they haven't shown yet.

02:08:28.000 Yeah, but the Roadster's a two seater.

02:08:30.000 My car is a four seater, four door car that goes zero to 60 in under two seconds.

02:08:36.000 But why would they get rid of it?

02:08:38.000 I've never had four people in my car.

02:08:40.000 You never would?

02:08:41.000 I've never had four people in my car.

02:08:42.000 Generally, you haven't, but like, so like the other day, I had to pick up my daughter because she was being driven and the car they were driving got a flat and I was on my way home at the exact same time and I picked her up and her friends.

02:08:55.000 Yeah, it's dope.

02:08:56.000 So I had three friends in the back seat, one in the front.

02:08:59.000 Yeah, I got everybody in my car, no problem.

02:09:02.000 I like having a four door.

02:09:04.000 I have a family.

02:09:05.000 I know you're a single guy.

02:09:06.000 Like for you, a roadster would be fine.

02:09:07.000 That's just a, you know.

02:09:10.000 It's a small little car anyway.

02:09:10.000 For you.

02:09:11.000 I thought the X was pretty dope too.

02:09:13.000 They also canceled the X.

02:09:14.000 I know.

02:09:15.000 The X is dope. 1.00

02:09:16.000 Tiffany Haddish had one and she showed me that they could dance in the parking lot.

02:09:20.000 I've never seen that video.

02:09:20.000 I was like, this is crazy.

02:09:22.000 This is crazy.

02:09:23.000 I only do four.

02:09:24.000 I don't have anything two door anymore because kiddos.

02:09:27.000 I just try to create the most badass dad whip I can.

02:09:30.000 It has to have four doors.

02:09:32.000 Well, I mean, I have two door cars, but I always have to have a sedan.

02:09:36.000 I like a sedan.

02:09:37.000 Your kids are older though, too.

02:09:38.000 If I didn't have a Tesla and I have a sedan, what I would get is the Cadillac.

02:09:42.000 The CT Vive V Black Wing.

02:09:44.000 Let's preach.

02:09:45.000 And you can get a manual.

02:09:46.000 You can get the new one.

02:09:47.000 The F1 is only in manuals.

02:09:50.000 The highest horsepower, 685.

02:09:53.000 I don't know why I couldn't say that word.

02:09:54.000 685 horsepower.

02:09:55.000 I know you do.

02:09:58.000 We both suffer from marble mouth.

02:10:00.000 Brother.

02:10:01.000 685 horsepower and it's only manual. 1.00

02:10:04.000 Just take my fucking money. 0.99

02:10:06.000 I want an automatic. 1.00

02:10:07.000 I think so.

02:10:07.000 If it's that.

02:10:08.000 Yeah, manual sounds fun, but if you're driving it all the time, especially.

02:10:12.000 Especially if you're living in LA.

02:10:13.000 Yeah.

02:10:14.000 Depending on where you live in.

02:10:15.000 Yeah.

02:10:16.000 Jamie, that could be you, buddy.

02:10:17.000 Like, we were just in New Jersey.

02:10:18.000 Bro, that's you, Jamie.

02:10:19.000 I'm not saying it's a bad car.

02:10:21.000 I'm just like, I'm going to drive it 10 miles a day.

02:10:24.000 It does.

02:10:24.000 It's a awesome 10 miles.

02:10:24.000 Yeah.

02:10:26.000 No, it's not.

02:10:26.000 Dude, the feeling in that car with the torque and the sound of the engine.

02:10:31.000 Can't go anywhere on 35 in traffic. 0.98

02:10:33.000 Give me some fucking volume and let's hear Nick driving. 0.97

02:10:37.000 Yeah, well, Jamie's not really a car guy. 0.98

02:10:40.000 Very, very good.

02:10:41.000 You drive it to the golf course, but like.

02:10:43.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:10:44.000 It's once a week.

02:10:45.000 Yeah, it's better you play.

02:10:46.000 The sound. 1.00

02:10:47.000 Look at that fucking armor. 1.00

02:10:48.000 All the carbon around it. 1.00

02:10:49.000 Let me hear it drive.

02:10:51.000 Let me hear it drive.

02:10:52.000 There it is. 1.00

02:10:53.000 Drive it, bitch. 1.00

02:10:54.000 Let's go. 1.00

02:10:54.000 How the engine reacts to that in. 1.00

02:10:57.000 Oh, why would they do this to me?

02:10:59.000 Why would you have a video of this and not have.

02:11:03.000 Yeah, you want to sell cars or not?

02:11:06.000 For me, please.

02:11:10.000 Here it is.

02:11:12.000 Just click that, though. 0.98

02:11:13.000 That's the black one. 1.00

02:11:15.000 Oh, my dick just got hot. 1.00

02:11:17.000 And we can spice that up, Jamie. 1.00

02:11:18.000 You sent it to me for a day, Bubba.

02:11:21.000 That's fine.

02:11:22.000 The way it comes from the factory is fine.

02:11:25.000 I got this just muffler, son.

02:11:27.000 I know.

02:11:27.000 You can get it really loud.

02:11:29.000 But the thing is, just that on.

02:11:31.000 Alone.

02:11:31.000 There we go.

02:11:33.000 Come on, dog.

02:11:38.000 Yeah.

02:11:39.000 All right.

02:11:40.000 I mean, it's not bad.

02:11:40.000 Yeah.

02:11:42.000 Hey, buddy.

02:11:43.000 He's in.

02:11:44.000 Yes.

02:11:45.000 Dude, you don't understand.

02:11:47.000 Oh, cammed up, baby.

02:11:48.000 I feel.

02:11:49.000 Oh, that's a cammed up one. 0.99

02:11:50.000 That one's nuts.

02:11:51.000 That's what you want.

02:11:51.000 That's nuts.

02:11:52.000 Oh, there's a lot of mods. 1.00

02:11:53.000 Dudes jack those up above 1,000 all the time.

02:11:56.000 Oh, that's going to get robbed out here then.

02:11:58.000 No.

02:11:59.000 No.

02:11:59.000 Come on, where?

02:12:00.000 Texas.

02:12:01.000 Where are you parking? 0.69

02:12:03.000 You're going to the ghetto to buy crack.

02:12:04.000 I don't drive anywhere.

02:12:05.000 Come on, man.

02:12:05.000 Where's he going?

02:12:06.000 He's buying crack.

02:12:07.000 You live in a nice place.

02:12:09.000 Are you buying crack?

02:12:10.000 You got covered parking.

02:12:11.000 You don't need it, but it's fun.

02:12:13.000 I just think of gone 60 seconds.

02:12:15.000 When you've got a dope car and people know you've got a dope car and you're seen driving that dope car, they're going to follow you in that dope.

02:12:21.000 With our friend, he got followed.

02:12:23.000 What's wrong with you, too?

02:12:24.000 Oh, Julian? 1.00

02:12:25.000 Yeah, shit's going to happen. 0.99

02:12:27.000 He's in Dallas. 1.00

02:12:28.000 He's in Dallas buying tacos at three in the morning.

02:12:30.000 There's a million Teslas all over the place.

02:12:32.000 And he's got a Ferrari.

02:12:33.000 I drive crazy.

02:12:34.000 A car is different than a Cadillac.

02:12:36.000 I've never had these.

02:12:37.000 Have you had any issues?

02:12:38.000 Especially out here.

02:12:40.000 You can catch an issue every now and then, but the thing about Texas is everybody's armed.

02:12:44.000 You can't just roll up on someone and try to take their car. 1.00

02:12:46.000 You're risking your fucking life. 0.99

02:12:48.000 It happened on Fifth Street, a block away from the club, not too long ago. 1.00

02:12:52.000 Yeah, right in front of Eddie B. People get carjacked in every city.

02:12:56.000 That's where I live.

02:12:56.000 That's a fact.

02:12:58.000 I don't like having targets.

02:13:00.000 Come on over to the burbs, dude.

02:13:02.000 So you think if you have one of them cyber trucks, So, supposedly, Cybertruck is coming out with an SUV.

02:13:07.000 Maybe.

02:13:08.000 Yeah, I don't know.

02:13:08.000 Allegedly.

02:13:09.000 It could be cool.

02:13:10.000 Elon won't tell me. 1.00

02:13:11.000 He won't tell me shit. 1.00

02:13:12.000 He knows about it. 1.00

02:13:12.000 He won't tell you? 1.00

02:13:13.000 I got a big fucking mouth. 0.99

02:13:14.000 Members online, people have showed things, but we don't really know about it. 0.99

02:13:17.000 What have they showed?

02:13:18.000 Potential, it looks a little bit like the mix between an X and a Cybertruck.

02:13:23.000 See, that would be a smart move for them to make a Cybertruck that's an SUV.

02:13:28.000 It's a smart move because you already have the shape.

02:13:30.000 Just instead of having the pickup truck part where no one's using.

02:13:33.000 Yeah, extend the seats.

02:13:34.000 Yeah, have the seats back more.

02:13:36.000 And you could even shorten the wheelbase a little bit and make it like, you know, like one of them smaller Cadillac SUVs. 0.97

02:13:42.000 You could, or you could just say fuck all that noise and get a Hellcat Durango because Stellantis does, Hellcat's back, baby. 0.93

02:13:50.000 That's a pretty dope Hellcat Durango. 0.99

02:13:52.000 The godfather of the Hellcat, Tim, is back running fucking Dodge. 0.99

02:13:55.000 Yes, thank God. 1.00

02:13:56.000 Thank fucking God. 0.99

02:13:57.000 Yeah, Dodge is crushing it. 0.99

02:13:59.000 They got silly with that electric thing. 1.00

02:14:00.000 It's some French guy running it. 1.00

02:14:02.000 Is that what it was? 1.00

02:14:02.000 He killed, yeah, and killed all America. 1.00

02:14:04.000 Facts. 0.84

02:14:04.000 That's what it was. 0.84

02:14:05.000 Boom.

02:14:05.000 He wanted to destroy America.

02:14:07.000 Like, I want Poeton to beat Zero Guns. 0.91

02:14:07.000 Facts. 0.91

02:14:11.000 It was like the most iconic American V8 powered cars were Dodge.

02:14:18.000 Dodge Viper.

02:14:19.000 Well, that's a V10.

02:14:20.000 Dodge Viper.

02:14:22.000 You had, but just big engines, right?

02:14:24.000 You had, you know, gasoline engines.

02:14:27.000 You had, of course, the Challenger, Challenger Hellcat, Hellcat Red Eye.

02:14:30.000 They crushed it.

02:14:31.000 Crushed it.

02:14:32.000 Are they going to discontinue the Challenger?

02:14:34.000 No, they're coming out with a gas Challenger. 0.79

02:14:36.000 So they fucked up and came out with a Challenger all electric and an 8-charger. 0.79

02:14:40.000 Wasn't it a charger? 0.99

02:14:41.000 And a Challenger, too.

02:14:43.000 They did both, right?

02:14:44.000 You can't change.

02:14:46.000 They're coming out with a charger that's gas-powered.

02:14:49.000 Yeah, the charge is dope.

02:14:50.000 I've seen some reviews.

02:14:51.000 It looks pretty cool.

02:14:52.000 It's dope.

02:14:53.000 And it's fast.

02:14:54.000 Fast as. 1.00

02:14:55.000 Fuck. 1.00

02:14:57.000 Here. 1.00

02:15:00.000 Now we're talking, Jamie.

02:15:01.000 What do you think of that?

02:15:02.000 This?

02:15:03.000 It's more of an SUV.

02:15:03.000 Okay.

02:15:04.000 Here we go.

02:15:05.000 Look at that, Jamie.

02:15:06.000 Here you go.

02:15:08.000 Yeah, now we're talking.

02:15:09.000 The Durango kept dodging flow.

02:15:11.000 Full engine.

02:15:12.000 That's what you need, Jamie. 1.00

02:15:13.000 You need a goddamn V8. 1.00

02:15:14.000 You're going to come in here with a fucking hairy chest? 1.00

02:15:17.000 Fuck you, dude. 1.00

02:15:17.000 Goddamn American. 1.00

02:15:19.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:15:20.000 That's what you need.

02:15:20.000 That's it.

02:15:21.000 Forget the Cadillac.

02:15:22.000 We're on to this now.

02:15:23.000 We're on to this.

02:15:24.000 We're on to this.

02:15:25.000 That's what you need.

02:15:26.000 I wasn't.

02:15:27.000 People love these.

02:15:27.000 This is awesome.

02:15:28.000 This is a robbery car, the Trackhawk.

02:15:30.000 That's why I'm off of that.

02:15:31.000 Trackhawks are great, dude.

02:15:32.000 What do you mean, people steal them?

02:15:33.000 There's not that many of them yet, and people are after them.

02:15:35.000 How about you get a Hennessy?

02:15:36.000 Tell them to leave the badges off. 1.00

02:15:39.000 Hennessys are so fucked up. 0.99

02:15:40.000 Just have Hennessy do it and leave the badges off. 1.00

02:15:42.000 So it just looks like a regular one, a sleeper.

02:15:42.000 Bro, did you see that?

02:15:44.000 I'd just be worried the whole time.

02:15:46.000 Oh, my God.

02:15:47.000 What world are you living in?

02:15:48.000 Dude, did you see Hennessy did a Super Duty?

02:15:51.000 Hennessy finally did a Ford Super Duty?

02:15:53.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:15:53.000 Fuck, I love it. 1.00

02:15:54.000 Hennessy does dope shit, dude. 1.00

02:15:55.000 They dope Mustangs. 1.00

02:15:57.000 They do dope Cadillacs.

02:15:58.000 They take the Black Wing and See, that's why with Tubi, it was like, let's see how these four episodes go.

02:16:04.000 Do you know John?

02:16:06.000 Me and him had a conversation.

02:16:07.000 You should do a show with him.

02:16:08.000 That's what I was saying.

02:16:09.000 I want to do a show with him.

02:16:10.000 I want to go to Gunther.

02:16:11.000 Yeah.

02:16:12.000 But John's great. 1.00

02:16:12.000 He's up the fucking road. 1.00

02:16:13.000 He's great. 1.00

02:16:14.000 I can connect you with him.

02:16:15.000 He's a good dude.

02:16:16.000 He's a friend of mine.

02:16:17.000 Me and him had a combo because when I was building my rap to get to 1400 horsepower, I called him.

02:16:21.000 Well, I'll hook you up with Gunther too.

02:16:23.000 They're great.

02:16:23.000 Yeah.

02:16:24.000 Peter's very cool too.

02:16:25.000 The Durango smokes his track hawk.

02:16:27.000 Yeah, dude.

02:16:29.000 Oh, the Durango with the Hellcat?

02:16:31.000 He's starting a little faster if he smokes them.

02:16:32.000 Yeah.

02:16:35.000 And that's probably not a Hennessy one.

02:16:35.000 Yeah.

02:16:37.000 Well, it doesn't matter. 1.00

02:16:39.000 I mean, they put a Hellcat in one of those fucking things. 0.99

02:16:41.000 You're dealing with insane horsepower. 1.00

02:16:43.000 It's so much horsepower.

02:16:45.000 They're awesome, Jamie.

02:16:46.000 And it's the red ones, though. 0.89

02:16:47.000 The red interior, it's fucking awesome. 0.94

02:16:49.000 Well, we're salespeople. 0.98

02:16:50.000 We're selling Dodge.

02:16:52.000 No, that actually might have been the Trackhawk on the right.

02:16:54.000 Okay.

02:16:55.000 Whichever one it was.

02:16:56.000 Either way, pick your Porsche. 1.00

02:16:57.000 Just fucking get one. 0.99

02:16:58.000 I would 100% drive one of those. 0.99

02:17:00.000 100%. 1.00

02:17:01.000 Fuck yeah, you are. 1.00

02:17:02.000 I might get one, too, if you get one. 1.00

02:17:04.000 Shit. 1.00

02:17:04.000 Let's get three. 1.00

02:17:05.000 Recharge it. 0.79

02:17:06.000 Let's go.

02:17:07.000 Charge it.

02:17:07.000 How dare you?

02:17:09.000 You son of a bitch. 1.00

02:17:11.000 You know what, man? 1.00

02:17:11.000 He's not wrong, though, with the way gas prices are. 1.00

02:17:14.000 I talked to Tim Dillon today.

02:17:15.000 I was on the phone with him when I was in the studio.

02:17:17.000 He told me that gas is $7.90 a gallon in L.A. right now.

02:17:23.000 And that's down from what it was.

02:17:24.000 I was out there a month shooting a commercial, and it was up to $8.40 something.

02:17:28.000 Here's what I don't understand Are we getting oil from Iran?

02:17:32.000 No.

02:17:33.000 That's what it was.

02:17:35.000 Maybe 3% or 4% was from Iran.

02:17:37.000 So. 1.00

02:17:38.000 Fucking us in the ass. 1.00

02:17:39.000 Yeah, they just know. 1.00

02:17:39.000 Oh, Americans know if we go to war, we can increase the gas price. 1.00

02:17:42.000 So we all just go along with it.

02:17:44.000 Is that real?

02:17:44.000 Or is it global prices went up because some of the gas can't get to where it needs to go?

02:17:50.000 And so they need to make that money. 1.00

02:17:53.000 So they just fuck you. 1.00

02:17:55.000 Isn't it funny? 1.00

02:17:55.000 Like they're like, we're going to make money no matter what. 1.00

02:17:57.000 The American people are going to lose money.

02:18:00.000 So we make the same amount of money. 1.00

02:18:01.000 And also, fuck you. 1.00

02:18:02.000 You need oil. 1.00

02:18:04.000 My whole thing is even like when we go to war, people are like, yeah, they're just doing it for money. 0.99

02:18:08.000 It's like, how much fucking money do they need? 0.97

02:18:10.000 They're all rich anyway. 0.98

02:18:11.000 American gas prices are rising mainly because crude oil has become more expensive due to the war with Iran and disruptions in global oil supply, plus normal seasons and cost factors in refining, distribution, and taxes.

02:18:23.000 Biggest driver, crude oil in the Iran war.

02:18:26.000 But what if we got all our oil from America?

02:18:29.000 Which we can do.

02:18:30.000 Well, if we did that, why would oil go up?

02:18:33.000 Because look, American oil prices are tied to the global oil market.

02:18:36.000 They just start selling it. 1.00

02:18:37.000 That's stupid. 1.00

02:18:40.000 The market. 1.00

02:18:42.000 Yeah, besides. 1.00

02:18:42.000 They're a bunch of crooks. 1.00

02:18:43.000 They're a bunch of crooks. 0.99

02:18:45.000 We should have a national oil company and only sell in America. 0.98

02:18:51.000 Keep it in house.

02:18:52.000 So no matter what.

02:18:53.000 Right there. 1.00

02:18:54.000 Foul shit we do outside the world. 1.00

02:18:56.000 Companies can still sell wherever they want. 1.00

02:18:58.000 Yeah.

02:18:59.000 Even though the U.S. is the world's largest oil producer, companies can sell oil on the global market to whoever pays the highest price.

02:19:05.000 High world prices still translate into high domestic gas prices. 0.83

02:19:05.000 And it fucks us. 0.83

02:19:09.000 Hey, Mr. President, please fix that. 0.83

02:19:13.000 I don't know if he can do that. 0.99

02:19:13.000 Fucking tax him. 0.99

02:19:14.000 They'll kill him. 1.00

02:19:15.000 They tried to kill him three times already. 1.00

02:19:17.000 You try to fuck with that oil money. 1.00

02:19:19.000 All of a sudden, President JD is crying on TV. 1.00

02:19:22.000 JD.

02:19:22.000 I'm going to miss Donald.

02:19:23.000 I'm going to miss Donald.

02:19:25.000 He was a great mentor to me, and though I didn't always agree with everything he said, and I wish he didn't post that picture of him as Jesus. 0.99

02:19:33.000 I, dude, what the fuck are you doing? 0.98

02:19:36.000 Hey, you know what's crazy to me? 0.99

02:19:38.000 There's been like three legit assassination attempts, and it's in the news two, three days, and we're just like, yeah, it's crazy, and we move on.

02:19:46.000 Well, there was another one that barely made the news where a guy showed up and tried to attack JD.

02:19:51.000 You remember that guy?

02:19:52.000 Yeah, see?

02:19:52.000 No.

02:19:53.000 I know.

02:19:54.000 This guy showed up, I think it was at the White House.

02:19:58.000 I think some guy showed up at the White House.

02:20:01.000 You see this guy who just got killed or got shot in Cambridge?

02:20:05.000 So, this guy, he had a shootout with the cops three years ago, went to jail for three years, got out, and was walking down the street in Cambridge, just unloading his gun on passers by.

02:20:19.000 Yeah, just shooting random people on the street.

02:20:22.000 This guy had gotten a shootout with the cops and only did three years.

02:20:26.000 That's insane, dude.

02:20:27.000 He got a shootout with the cops.

02:20:29.000 I think 20 bullets were exchanged.

02:20:32.000 And he only did three years.

02:20:33.000 Bro, here's the other problem I saw they took a. 1.00

02:20:35.000 Again, whoever's doing these polls, you gotta be an idiot to get stopped on the street and do the polls. 1.00

02:20:40.000 This is wild. 1.00

02:20:41.000 He's just walking on the street shooting at cars.

02:20:44.000 Bro, by the way, I'm running that guy over.

02:20:47.000 Oh, a thousand percent.

02:20:48.000 Especially for my Toyota, my Land Cruiser, where I know it's not gonna mess up my car.

02:20:53.000 That's insane.

02:20:54.000 Meanwhile, if I was in Cambridge, though, I'd probably go to jail for life. 1.00

02:20:57.000 100% you're fucked. 1.00

02:20:58.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:20:58.000 For defending the public. 1.00

02:21:01.000 But I saw a survey that said one in four Americans think the assassination temps on the president are fake.

02:21:07.000 I wonder what percentage think the world's flat.

02:21:09.000 One in four.

02:21:11.000 Yeah, the people that thought that the Butler, Pennsylvania one was staged don't know anything about guns.

02:21:18.000 That's a fact.

02:21:19.000 I don't know anybody who knows anything about guns that thinks that the president would let some guy nick his ear with a bullet. 1.00

02:21:27.000 So dumb. 0.99

02:21:28.000 That is, and the guy behind him, the firefighter who lost his life, that guy got shot by a bullet that was intended for Trump. 1.00

02:21:28.000 So dumb. 1.00

02:21:34.000 And then there's a photo of a bullet whizzing by his face. 1.00

02:21:37.000 Anybody that thinks that that's staged is out of their fucking mind. 1.00

02:21:42.000 Or the guy at the correspondence dinner who rushed in. 1.00

02:21:44.000 Yeah.

02:21:45.000 They think that's fake. 0.98

02:21:46.000 So you think this guy who's a teacher, educated, clearly kind of had his shit together through his life? 0.98

02:21:46.000 And it's like, hold on. 0.98

02:21:53.000 Well, Tim Burchett, who I had on the podcast, the congressman, he thinks that guy was like some sort of an MKUltra type deal. 0.97

02:22:01.000 And he says he thinks they still do that. 0.60

02:22:03.000 He thinks someone's still doing it.

02:22:04.000 I've always thought that.

02:22:05.000 I'm not trying to steal it.

02:22:06.000 I'm sure he has way better points than me, but.

02:22:09.000 If they did MKUltra all those years ago, when you go through the list of Charles Mance and the Unabomber, you think it stopped?

02:22:16.000 And you don't think they've gotten better with it? 0.86

02:22:16.000 Right. 0.86

02:22:18.000 Exactly.

02:22:19.000 So you just think they're like, okay, the public knows we're going to shut this down.

02:22:22.000 No, dude.

02:22:23.000 They just expand.

02:22:23.000 Yeah.

02:22:25.000 It gets better and better and better.

02:22:27.000 For sure, they're still doing that.

02:22:28.000 And that could have been Thomas Crooks, too.

02:22:30.000 The guy who tried to shoot Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania. 1.00

02:22:33.000 That one was weird as fuck. 1.00

02:22:33.000 Yep. 1.00

02:22:35.000 That one's so weird because that guy's house was professionally scrubbed.

02:22:39.000 He didn't even have silverware there.

02:22:40.000 He had no online activity.

02:22:43.000 He had no social media.

02:22:45.000 BlackRock ties.

02:22:46.000 Have you heard anything about him?

02:22:47.000 Nope.

02:22:48.000 Gone.

02:22:49.000 How weird is that, dude?

02:22:50.000 Vanished like Kyle Sherman.

02:22:51.000 What about the Charlie Kirk guy?

02:22:52.000 What about the guy who killed Troy?

02:22:54.000 We haven't heard one interview with him.

02:22:54.000 Right.

02:22:56.000 Is that not weird, dude?

02:22:57.000 Super weird.

02:22:58.000 Nearly one third of Americans, 30%, believe that at least one of the three attempts on Donald Trump's life over the last two years were staged.

02:23:07.000 Wow.

02:23:08.000 For each attempted assassination, a majority of Americans said either that it was staged or that they were not sure.

02:23:15.000 54% said they either thought it was staged or not sure.

02:23:19.000 And that's the problem.

02:23:20.000 Only 38% of Americans believe all three assassination attempts were authentic.

02:23:25.000 This is TikTok. 1.00

02:23:26.000 It's fucking rotting their brains. 1.00

02:23:27.000 That's the fucking problem. 1.00

02:23:28.000 Rotting their fucking brains out from inside their heads. 1.00

02:23:31.000 I know. 1.00

02:23:32.000 It's not good, dude. 0.97

02:23:33.000 Meanwhile, you go on Chinese TikTok, it's all like traditional dance and martial arts. 1.00

02:23:38.000 They built it. 0.97

02:23:38.000 Science projects. 0.97

02:23:40.000 It shuts down for kids after 10 p.m.

02:23:40.000 Yeah.

02:23:42.000 Yeah.

02:23:43.000 And like Americans, have fun.

02:23:44.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:23:44.000 They rot your brains. 1.00

02:23:45.000 They're doing such a great job. 0.98

02:23:47.000 And then they sold it, right?

02:23:47.000 Crush it.

02:23:49.000 So they sold it to that American company, and they're just going to continue doing what the Chinese did and make the most amount of money, which is rotting people's brains out. 1.00

02:23:57.000 Don't give a fuck. 1.00

02:23:58.000 Wouldn't it be dope if this American company that bought it said, Hey, there's clearly a problem with how things are emphasized and what your algorithm shows you. 0.99

02:24:07.000 And what we're going to do is promote exceptional people doing exceptional things.

02:24:11.000 Don't you think they would get more users?

02:24:13.000 Because as a dad, I'd be like, Okay, you guys can have TikTok.

02:24:17.000 There's some rules there, it's an educational thing. 0.99

02:24:21.000 Now, not a fucking chance, dude. 0.98

02:24:23.000 No, it wouldn't get more. 0.99

02:24:25.000 It would go right over to Instagram.

02:24:27.000 Instagram's all assassination.

02:24:29.000 What if they did across the board? 0.95

02:24:31.000 You would have to have no one cross that picket line, and they all would because people are addicted to watching fucked up street fights and crazy things now.

02:24:40.000 Like, my algorithm is all like people fighting in parking lots, and there's so much of that. 0.99

02:24:46.000 Man, mine's just trucks, cars, and fucking fights. 0.99

02:24:50.000 On Instagram? 1.00

02:24:51.000 Yeah.

02:24:51.000 So, my problem is me and Segura every day send each other the worst thing we find online.

02:24:57.000 I don't want to start my day like that.

02:24:59.000 I don't either.

02:25:01.000 I don't either, but it's too late.

02:25:03.000 But that's the only time I'm going to Instagram now.

02:25:05.000 The only time, then I'll check my YouTube channel.

02:25:08.000 You've kind of gotten off of it, right?

02:25:09.000 Yeah.

02:25:10.000 This is so much better.

02:25:12.000 It feels so much better.

02:25:13.000 I go in occasionally and check Twitter to see what the news is, like what's trending, what's happening.

02:25:18.000 But you're not like reading the comments and all this.

02:25:20.000 No, no, no.

02:25:21.000 And I don't even go into the newsfeed because I used to go into the newsfeed, but I find things about me all the time. 0.95

02:25:27.000 Like, I don't want to hear what a douchebag I am. 0.94

02:25:29.000 Like, come on. 0.97

02:25:29.000 That's about it. 0.97

02:25:30.000 I'm not here for that.

02:25:31.000 I know.

02:25:32.000 So I can't avoid people getting mad at me or even saying nice things about me. 0.98

02:25:32.000 It sucks. 0.98

02:25:36.000 I don't want to read that. 0.99

02:25:37.000 No.

02:25:38.000 I think.

02:25:39.000 What's better is I go to the trending stuff and find out what the news is. 0.98

02:25:44.000 So then I'll click on, like, what the fuck is going on? 0.97

02:25:47.000 And I'll check that out. 0.99

02:25:48.000 Like, that's how I found out about this guy with a gun.

02:25:50.000 And you feel so much better, right?

02:25:51.000 Way better.

02:25:52.000 But I'm also more often than not now not going there for my news.

02:25:57.000 And I've kind of curated my Google news feed.

02:26:00.000 To be much more interesting.

02:26:00.000 Smart.

02:26:02.000 Like, I get more stories and it'll show me stories from X.

02:26:05.000 Yeah.

02:26:06.000 So then I can decide whether or not I want to actually open up X to read the story.

02:26:10.000 And did you stop drinking too?

02:26:12.000 I did, and then I went back.

02:26:13.000 I'm back.

02:26:14.000 How back are you?

02:26:15.000 Not back crazy, but I'll have a couple of drinks every now and then.

02:26:18.000 I haven't gotten drunk since I've been back.

02:26:20.000 Dude, I've been out of a job for over two years now.

02:26:22.000 That's not.

02:26:23.000 Feel good?

02:26:23.000 Almost three.

02:26:24.000 Feel great.

02:26:25.000 Never been in better shape. 0.98

02:26:26.000 I feel fucking awesome. 0.85

02:26:26.000 Yeah, it's. 0.85

02:26:27.000 It's definitely better for you.

02:26:29.000 But I do like a glass of wine or two at dinner, and I do like a drink or two with the boys when we're at the club every now and then.

02:26:34.000 Yeah.

02:26:34.000 But I just, I was doing it too much.

02:26:36.000 Me too.

02:26:36.000 And then I recognized, and so I stopped.

02:26:39.000 Yeah, just, it wasn't benefiting me.

02:26:41.000 And then also, you know, I have an addictive personality.

02:26:43.000 Like, if I do something, I got to be all in.

02:26:45.000 Like, on cars, like, literally one day I woke up, I'm like, I don't need 11 cars.

02:26:50.000 And half of them are trucks, and they're all the same.

02:26:53.000 You know, it's just like when I get into something, I get so into it.

02:26:56.000 But as I'm getting older, I'm getting better at checking myself.

02:26:59.000 Good.

02:27:00.000 It's good.

02:27:00.000 Getting better at that is very important to managing your life.

02:27:04.000 It's really important.

02:27:05.000 It's growing up.

02:27:06.000 Well, it's also just realizing that there are some addictions that are just not beneficial at all, and then other ones that are really beneficial.

02:27:13.000 So just get addicted to doing things that are good for you.

02:27:15.000 Yeah.

02:27:16.000 Facts.

02:27:17.000 You know, but that's the problem is that a lot of people can't regulate their addictions well, they're just not good at it.

02:27:24.000 And so.

02:27:25.000 They just get caught up, and you know, it could be anything.

02:27:29.000 Oh, you know, yeah, to preach that's me, yeah, but it's also that same thing is what causes people to get good at stuff, correct?

02:27:37.000 Which is weird, you know, like if you show me a dude who can't get addicted to anything, like not there's not one thing that is taking up too much of your time, I probably can't hang out, correct?

02:27:46.000 And it's not good, yeah, not good, yeah, because that same obsession is what led me to the UFC or football, exactly, exactly, like being all in on something, I think, is uh, where.

02:27:57.000 That's where obsession can lead.

02:27:59.000 The scary one for me, I think, not for me personally, but when I see it is gambling.

02:28:04.000 Super scary.

02:28:05.000 Because I see people that are really rich, not just Dana, but other people that I know that are really rich that gamble big numbers.

02:28:13.000 And it freaks me out like big poker games and crazy amounts of money they gamble on stuff.

02:28:18.000 And I was like, I don't like that.

02:28:21.000 But you get your rocks off in other ways.

02:28:23.000 I think for those like super rich people, like that's kind of like they can buy any car, they can buy any house or go on a trip.

02:28:31.000 In order to get their rocks off, that's how they do it.

02:28:34.000 Yeah, but it has to be a big number for them to feel it.

02:28:37.000 The juice has to be so high.

02:28:38.000 If they bet $100 on something, they don't even know it.

02:28:40.000 That doesn't mean they might not even cash that ticket.

02:28:43.000 They don't feel it.

02:28:44.000 You know how you and I are similar with obsession?

02:28:47.000 Do your kiddos have that?

02:28:48.000 Do you see it in any way?

02:28:50.000 Oh, yeah.

02:28:50.000 Super driven, but it's very positive.

02:28:50.000 Oh, yeah.

02:28:53.000 Kids imitate the atmosphere that they grow up in.

02:28:55.000 And if your parents have a hard work ethic and they're disciplined and they're kind, generally speaking, that's how your kids come out.

02:29:01.000 Yeah.

02:29:02.000 I think that. 1.00

02:29:02.000 You want to see shitty kids? 1.00

02:29:04.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:29:04.000 I generally, genuinely think that it's at least part of it is from the parents. 0.99

02:29:09.000 Dude, I coach my son's baseball and football teams. 0.88

02:29:13.000 The crazy parents I deal with, buddy, dude.

02:29:20.000 And I try to talk to the dads because most of them respect me.

02:29:22.000 So I'll go, hey, can I give you some advice, man?

02:29:25.000 You got to back off, dude.

02:29:26.000 But they can't.

02:29:27.000 They can't.

02:29:28.000 They can't.

02:29:29.000 They'd have to change who they are.

02:29:30.000 And I tell them, I'm like, I'm trying to help you out here.

02:29:35.000 You love baseball, whatever.

02:29:37.000 You love football.

02:29:38.000 Your son has told me he wants to quit.

02:29:41.000 Now, the reason he wants to quit is because you've made it not fun.

02:29:44.000 He used to love this game.

02:29:46.000 When I first got here, nothing he loved more than football.

02:29:49.000 Now he wants to quit because you've made it a job for him. 1.00

02:29:52.000 You fucked up, dude. 1.00

02:29:53.000 And who's it going to affect? 1.00

02:29:54.000 A, it's going to suck for him because he likes football.

02:29:57.000 You're not going to be able to watch your kid play football, dude.

02:29:59.000 Because you decide to make it not fun. 0.88

02:30:00.000 If you do that, you're going to fuck up your relationship with your kid. 0.82

02:30:03.000 Facts. 0.98

02:30:04.000 I don't.

02:30:05.000 I don't force my kids into doing it, other than they have to go to school.

02:30:08.000 I don't force my kids into doing anything they don't want to do.

02:30:10.000 If they're not interested in it, you don't have to do it.

02:30:13.000 But find something you are interested in.

02:30:15.000 That's my thing.

02:30:16.000 Whatever you're into, let's ride. 0.99

02:30:17.000 I don't give a fuck what it is. 0.99

02:30:18.000 Just so happens it's baseball, football. 0.99

02:30:26.000 Cool, let's ride, man.

02:30:35.000 Yeah, but you're going to do it.

02:30:42.000 You're going to do it.

02:30:48.000 Brother, and now it's worse because, especially on base, right?

02:30:51.000 It's like it's a business now.

02:30:53.000 It's over a billion dollar business.

02:30:54.000 So now it's like there's these travel ball. 0.99

02:30:57.000 When I was a kid, you have to be really fucking good. 0.94

02:30:59.000 Well, now every parent wants to say their kids travel ball. 0.98

02:31:02.000 So there's the majors and there's two teams of the majors.

02:31:05.000 There's three AAA, three AA, three single A.

02:31:09.000 I just want my, I don't need the best 10 year old.

02:31:10.000 I just want him playing.

02:31:11.000 So I don't give up.

02:31:12.000 He made the majors team. 1.00

02:31:13.000 I don't give a fuck. 1.00

02:31:14.000 It's majors, AAA, rec. 0.99

02:31:16.000 We're playing wherever.

02:31:17.000 Have fun.

02:31:18.000 Have fun and get and apply yourself to something and apply yourself.

02:31:23.000 I don't give a whether what level we're at, we'll play it all.

02:31:27.000 And some of the parents, I'll come back from a tournament, like, oh, you played double A. I'm like, yeah, it's baseball.

02:31:32.000 Man, you think he can only play majors, so what I can sit around the cool with a water cooler and brag to you guys.

02:31:39.000 I don't know, it's kind of crazy that people like talk down about a kid who's not playing as good as other kids.

02:31:44.000 Oh, it's like, what do you but you know, that's the it's like stage moms.

02:31:50.000 You know, there's a thing like that with actors.

02:31:52.000 To your point, their identity is tied up in it. 0.98

02:31:54.000 But what they don't realize is they're fucking it all up. 0.98

02:31:56.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

02:31:57.000 It's all going to get fucked up. 0.95

02:31:58.000 I've seen that with a lot of young actors where their parents were like super involved in their career and then the kid just did not want to do it anymore. 0.95

02:32:06.000 And generally, I've seen it a few times, and one of them that I know really well where the parents stole money from the kid. 1.00

02:32:12.000 Fuck, dude. 1.00

02:32:13.000 Yeah, he stole like $6 million. 1.00

02:32:15.000 Jesus.

02:32:15.000 I'll tell you who it is after the show.

02:32:17.000 Oh, it's awful.

02:32:17.000 That's terrible.

02:32:18.000 It's awful.

02:32:19.000 It's like devastating to find out.

02:32:21.000 But it's like that's what they're doing.

02:32:23.000 They're using the kid as a piggy bank.

02:32:24.000 They quit working.

02:32:26.000 They relied entirely on their kid and the kid's acting.

02:32:28.000 See, what's the pressure on the kid? 0.99

02:32:30.000 Oh, I got to afford all this so we can fucking live. 0.99

02:32:33.000 And I'm nine. 0.99

02:32:34.000 Not only that, but then, you know, the kid starts feeling like, hey, this is my fucking money. 0.99

02:32:39.000 Yeah, I'm hell. 1.00

02:32:40.000 You can't call me. 0.86

02:32:40.000 Yeah. 0.86

02:32:41.000 Yeah.

02:32:42.000 I can't have cereal. 1.00

02:32:43.000 Go fuck yourself. 1.00

02:32:44.000 He's the boss. 1.00

02:32:45.000 I mean, he had problems with it too.

02:32:45.000 Yeah.

02:32:47.000 They all have problems with it.

02:32:49.000 And then on top of that, it's just super unhealthy for your kid to get famous when they're 10.

02:32:53.000 Horrible, man.

02:32:54.000 Also for pretending.

02:32:56.000 Horrible.

02:32:56.000 You're famous for pretending?

02:32:57.000 That's what?

02:32:59.000 How's that going to affect your personality, dude?

02:33:01.000 Yeah.

02:33:02.000 Well, there's a lot of parents out there, man, that just don't understand you're developing a human being.

02:33:08.000 And one of the reasons they don't understand is they're not developed well. 1.00

02:33:11.000 They're fucking nuts. 1.00

02:33:11.000 Correct. 1.00

02:33:12.000 Or the biggest problem is usually the parents who never played.

02:33:16.000 Right.

02:33:17.000 And they're like, man, they'll see just a glimpse that their son has some talent and then they're the worst.

02:33:23.000 Did your kid into cars?

02:33:24.000 Yeah, big time.

02:33:25.000 Oh, that's nice.

02:33:26.000 Big time. 1.00

02:33:27.000 You gotta teach them how to drive so they don't do something stupid when they get old. 1.00

02:33:30.000 That's what I tell them all the time. 1.00

02:33:31.000 All the fucking time. 0.99

02:33:32.000 Yeah, don't do it. 0.99

02:33:33.000 Oh, no, they're gonna learn how to drive a manual.

02:33:34.000 It's the easiest way to your car.

02:33:36.000 Jamie, you wanna make sure your car didn't get stolen?

02:33:38.000 Buy a manual.

02:33:39.000 The criminals these days don't have a manual.

02:33:41.000 Do you wanna drive one?

02:33:42.000 Sure.

02:33:42.000 Oh, he's gonna burn that clutch.

02:33:43.000 Look at him.

02:33:44.000 I haven't done it in a long time. 1.00

02:33:46.000 I could figure it out though on a black one. 1.00

02:33:47.000 Yeah, especially if you're only driving 10 miles a day. 1.00

02:33:51.000 Perfect candidate.

02:33:52.000 I just don't want to.

02:33:54.000 That's disappointing. 1.00

02:33:56.000 Yeah, no, my kids know their shit. 1.00

02:33:57.000 I mean,. 1.00

02:33:58.000 There's so many other cars in the world.

02:34:00.000 It doesn't have to be that one.

02:34:03.000 What do you like?

02:34:05.000 I'm not driving anywhere.

02:34:07.000 I'm not driving on a race track.

02:34:07.000 I know you like track-offs.

02:34:08.000 Okay, okay, okay.

02:34:09.000 But let's just put all that aside.

02:34:11.000 What cars do you look at and go, oh, I like that?

02:34:13.000 Or do you look at a car that you like and go, that's a target?

02:34:16.000 No, if it's one I like, it ends up honestly being like an X6, somewhere in that range.

02:34:23.000 X5, X6, AMD, GLE.

02:34:25.000 Okay.

02:34:27.000 Now we're talking.

02:34:28.000 Yeah, there's somewhere in there.

02:34:28.000 Yeah.

02:34:29.000 Those are good looking. 0.99

02:34:30.000 I'll tell you what, whoever made the new grills on the BMW should be dick slapped into the hospital. 0.99

02:34:41.000 Like, he should. 0.99

02:34:45.000 Like, what the fuck did you do to one of the most iconic grills? 1.00

02:34:50.000 And they hit like the M4s. 1.00

02:34:51.000 Like, yeah. 1.00

02:34:53.000 What did you do?

02:34:55.000 They're just trying to switch it up, you know, and they missed. 0.98

02:34:58.000 But they fucking let that go through. 0.96

02:35:01.000 Bring that up, Jamin. 0.98

02:35:02.000 Bring that up.

02:35:03.000 The only one that looks good or looks decent is the 7 Series.

02:35:06.000 There's something about the proportions of the 7 Series with that big grill.

02:35:09.000 It doesn't bother me. 0.93

02:35:10.000 That M2 is fucking tasty, too, though. 0.99

02:35:12.000 Okay, that's dope. 0.99

02:35:13.000 Those things can cook. 1.00

02:35:14.000 Get it goofy with the grills. 1.00

02:35:14.000 They didn't. 1.00

02:35:16.000 Yeah, come on with that.

02:35:18.000 They've sort of fixed it as time's gone by, but it's still got a big gap like that.

02:35:23.000 Yeah, I don't like it.

02:35:24.000 The earlier ones were the grossest ones.

02:35:26.000 But look at that right there.

02:35:28.000 The lower.

02:35:29.000 I'm sorry.

02:35:30.000 That one's good, but the left one.

02:35:31.000 The white one. 0.98

02:35:33.000 Yeah, that's it. 0.64

02:35:33.000 The white one. 0.64

02:35:34.000 Look at that. 0.93

02:35:35.000 That's perfect.

02:35:36.000 That's perfect.

02:35:37.000 That's pretty good.

02:35:39.000 Do you still have the M5?

02:35:41.000 No, but I do have the E46 M3.

02:35:44.000 Oh, yeah, those are cool.

02:35:45.000 The 2005? 0.95

02:35:46.000 That's fucking awesome. 0.99

02:35:47.000 That one's fucking great. 0.99

02:35:48.000 That is literally a perfect car. 0.99

02:35:50.000 That's a great car.

02:35:51.000 Like that one.

02:35:52.000 That one's gross.

02:35:54.000 That grill, the lower right one, the bronze colored one. 0.83

02:35:56.000 Blech. 0.98

02:35:57.000 Yeah, my brother has that new M2 manual, and that thing fucking cool. 0.98

02:36:01.000 M2s are amazing. 0.88

02:36:03.000 Those are amazing.

02:36:04.000 BMW, to their credit, is still making manual transmissions.

02:36:07.000 Oh, it's a little better.

02:36:08.000 Do they make a manual in the M5?

02:36:11.000 They don't, right?

02:36:12.000 I don't think so.

02:36:13.000 I think the M5 is only.

02:36:16.000 Does it make a manual?

02:36:18.000 The M5s are so heavy now.

02:36:19.000 That's their issue. 1.00

02:36:21.000 Manual's not the first thing coming up.

02:36:22.000 Yeah, I don't think they make it a manual transmission anymore.

02:36:28.000 See if it says manual transmission.

02:36:32.000 That one's automatic.

02:36:33.000 Yeah, I think they make the M4 manual.

02:36:37.000 Yeah.

02:36:38.000 Oh, six speed.

02:36:39.000 But that's the E60 V10.

02:36:41.000 That's an old one.

02:36:42.000 Those are dope.

02:36:43.000 The V10s are cool.

02:36:44.000 V10s sound amazing.

02:36:45.000 Yeah, they sound amazing.

02:36:46.000 My E46 is not that fast.

02:36:51.000 There it is.

02:36:52.000 Yeah.

02:36:52.000 That's old.

02:36:53.000 Yeah.

02:36:54.000 So, those are the last ones they made in the manual.

02:36:56.000 But my E46 is small.

02:36:59.000 It's.

02:37:00.000 It doesn't weigh a lot.

02:37:00.000 That's what you want.

02:37:01.000 It handles really good.

02:37:02.000 It's got hydraulic steering, manual transmission.

02:37:06.000 And, you know, it's a Dynan, so it has a supercharger on it.

02:37:10.000 So, it's a little faster, so it's like 400 something horsepower.

02:37:13.000 Monster.

02:37:14.000 Dude, it's just fun.

02:37:15.000 It just.

02:37:16.000 You feel it while you're driving it. 0.90

02:37:18.000 And they look fucking awesome.

02:37:19.000 There was something weird in it I was trying to track that said that they got two of them that were.

02:37:23.000 Unless there's only two vehicles here.

02:37:25.000 What does it say? 0.61

02:37:26.000 It might be just not an American thing.

02:37:27.000 Does that make sense? 0.94

02:37:28.000 No, those are old.

02:37:29.000 I'll show you what I saw.

02:37:29.000 No, I know.

02:37:31.000 Oh, so put in 2026 BMW M5 manual.

02:37:37.000 I just saw that.

02:37:38.000 We got two versions of the BMW M5 with a manual that the rest of the world missed out on.

02:37:42.000 That's what I saw and was clicking on.

02:37:44.000 When does that, though?

02:37:45.000 If you click on it, it's 2025.

02:37:47.000 Right, but I think they're talking about old cars.

02:37:50.000 I think they're doing a history.

02:37:52.000 BMW still has.

02:37:52.000 Because it says two versions, they're talking about older cars.

02:37:56.000 BMW still has great interiors, too.

02:37:58.000 Oh, yeah. 0.96

02:37:58.000 Some manufacturers still fucking do it right. 0.96

02:38:00.000 BMW does it right. 0.98

02:38:01.000 They're really good.

02:38:03.000 It's a solid car. 0.99

02:38:04.000 And the new M5, even if it isn't a manual, is a fucking screamer of a car. 1.00

02:38:08.000 They're monsters. 1.00

02:38:09.000 Yeah, but they have to make them hybrids now. 1.00

02:38:11.000 Because of all the fucking, all the environmental issues. 0.99

02:38:11.000 I know. 0.99

02:38:15.000 Did you see Trump got rid of the engine start?

02:38:19.000 You know how when you stop?

02:38:20.000 Oh, yeah.

02:38:20.000 He got rid of that.

02:38:21.000 That's good.

02:38:22.000 That's, I don't like that.

02:38:22.000 Yeah.

02:38:23.000 Drives me nuts.

02:38:24.000 And I don't like that.

02:38:25.000 And some cars I have to press the don't do that at every red light.

02:38:28.000 Don't do that.

02:38:29.000 I hate it.

02:38:29.000 Don't do that.

02:38:30.000 Hate it. 0.99

02:38:31.000 It drives me fucking nuts. 1.00

02:38:31.000 Hate it. 1.00

02:38:32.000 Stupid. 1.00

02:38:33.000 You're not saving anything. 1.00

02:38:34.000 All you're doing is cooking my starter.

02:38:36.000 Yeah.

02:38:36.000 Because the starter's got to start.

02:38:38.000 How crazy that Trump was like, I'm getting rid of that.

02:38:40.000 How crazy that Trump was like, I'm getting rid of that.

02:38:40.000 It's so annoying.

02:38:43.000 Parking next to one of these.

02:38:43.000 It's so annoying.

02:38:44.000 Ooh.

02:38:44.000 Is that a Maserati?

02:38:45.000 Boy, those are cool in person, they're really nice.

02:38:45.000 Ooh.

02:38:45.000 Yeah, it's sick.

02:38:48.000 Yeah, oh, that's a beautiful car.

02:38:50.000 Why don't you get one of them, Jimmy?

02:38:51.000 Well, uh, what's up?

02:38:56.000 I don't know.

02:38:56.000 He's worried about the attention.

02:38:57.000 I just had a tire problem.

02:38:58.000 I didn't go that far.

02:38:59.000 Those Model S tires just like fell apart after 10,000 miles.

02:39:04.000 I know that was weird.

02:39:06.000 The way your tires fell apart was weird, it didn't make any sense because he said he had a flat tire and then he got to look at it and it's like there's the wires around, he'd worn down the tread.

02:39:17.000 At 10,000 miles.

02:39:18.000 Well, that's the problem with electric cars because they're so heavy, so you're going through tires faster.

02:39:22.000 But I didn't think it would be that fast.

02:39:24.000 10,000 miles is crazy.

02:39:25.000 Jamie might be driving like a maniac.

02:39:28.000 Yeah, it's going so fast.

02:39:28.000 I bet he is.

02:39:29.000 The wire, dude?

02:39:30.000 You know how ratchet you got to be to wear down to the wire?

02:39:33.000 I think it's the weight.

02:39:34.000 Yeah, it's the weight.

02:39:35.000 Because we looked it up and it was like 15,000 miles.

02:39:38.000 So he's just a little bit more lead foot.

02:39:40.000 A little more lead foot.

02:39:40.000 Heavy foot.

02:39:42.000 Lead foot, Jamie.

02:39:43.000 Just a sign to get out of the league.

02:39:44.000 As he gets older, we're still calling him lead foot, Jamie.

02:39:47.000 Austin Martins are dope.

02:39:47.000 These are dope.

02:39:49.000 Fuck yeah, man. 1.00

02:39:50.000 Now we're talking about this. 1.00

02:39:52.000 You know some good shit, dude. 0.99

02:39:52.000 Come on, Jamie. 0.99

02:39:54.000 I just don't like Blackwing, Cadillac.

02:39:57.000 Okay.

02:39:58.000 Okay, you don't like Cadillac.

02:39:59.000 Aston Martin's fine.

02:39:59.000 Okay.

02:40:00.000 That's fucking awesome. 0.98

02:40:01.000 It's fine. 0.99

02:40:02.000 Everybody has different tastes.

02:40:04.000 That's fine.

02:40:05.000 As long as you like that.

02:40:06.000 You like something.

02:40:07.000 Dude, I'll go on Facebook Marketplace for you.

02:40:09.000 We'll get you a track hawks.

02:40:11.000 We'll get you an Aston Martin.

02:40:12.000 He's got to get something.

02:40:14.000 We've got to get him something fun.

02:40:16.000 Let's know the budget, dude.

02:40:17.000 We'll get something.

02:40:18.000 He seems a little hesitant.

02:40:19.000 But he does seem open to it.

02:40:21.000 Well, you drove race cars before around the track.

02:40:21.000 Yeah.

02:40:24.000 That's fun.

02:40:25.000 I do that all the time.

02:40:26.000 But you could buy a car that you can drive your own.

02:40:28.000 We're going to have a studio at the track.

02:40:30.000 More fun to not drive your own race car.

02:40:32.000 That's true. 0.93

02:40:33.000 You don't worry about fucking it up. 0.92

02:40:34.000 That's a good point. 0.95

02:40:35.000 So your show's on 2B.

02:40:37.000 Show's on 2B.

02:40:37.000 Gearhead's Gun Wild.

02:40:38.000 There's four episodes.

02:40:41.000 And are you releasing new ones?

02:40:42.000 You can binge watch all four of them right now.

02:40:44.000 And then if the four do well, they're going to order a bunch more.

02:40:47.000 And that's where I do Hennessy, Gunworks.

02:40:49.000 I got some big ones.

02:40:50.000 How long are each show?

02:40:53.000 I think they're like 28 minutes each.

02:40:55.000 Yeah.

02:40:55.000 Okay, cool.

02:40:56.000 And it's Gearhead's Gone Wild.

02:40:58.000 On Tubi.

02:40:58.000 Yes, sir.

02:40:59.000 Yep.

02:40:59.000 This might be the first time I ever go to Tubi.

02:41:02.000 I've never been to Tubi.

02:41:03.000 Please do, buddy.

02:41:04.000 I only heard about it like a year ago.

02:41:06.000 I just found out about it three months ago. 0.99

02:41:08.000 I just can't believe it is that many fucking. 0.99

02:41:10.000 When they're like, we got a buyer in Tubi, I'm like, okay, let's fucking do it. 0.98

02:41:15.000 They've been awesome.

02:41:16.000 It's easy to watch.

02:41:16.000 That's great.

02:41:17.000 Well, someone's going to be watching it.

02:41:17.000 Yeah.

02:41:19.000 There's that many people.

02:41:20.000 But it sounds awesome, dude.

02:41:21.000 That's fine.

02:41:22.000 I'm glad you're doing something that you enjoy.

02:41:24.000 Yeah, definitely. 0.99

02:41:25.000 It's our shit. 1.00

02:41:26.000 All right, brother. 1.00

02:41:26.000 You love it, man. 1.00

02:41:27.000 Thanks for having us, brother.

02:41:28.000 Thank you.

02:41:28.000 I love you.

02:41:29.000 Thank you.

02:41:29.000 All right.

02:41:30.000 Goodbye, everybody.

02:41:31.000 See you.

The Joe Rogan Experience - May 13, 2026

Joe Rogan Experience #2498 - Brendan Schaub

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