The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2499 - Marcus King

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00:00:09.000 What's up, Marcus?

00:00:14.000 Good to see you, brother.

00:00:15.000 It's crazy to be here.

00:00:15.000 What's happening?

00:00:17.000 It's crazy to have you here, man.

00:00:18.000 And thank you so much for the guitar. 0.99

00:00:20.000 That's the dopest shit that anybody's ever given me. 0.99

00:00:22.000 Oh, man, I hope you like it. 1.00

00:00:23.000 I'm sure I like it.

00:00:24.000 I just can't play.

00:00:26.000 And I would love to learn how to play, but I know my brain, and I can't give my brain another thing to do.

00:00:31.000 You've got a lot.

00:00:32.000 Well, the problem is I get obsessed with things.

00:00:35.000 Me too.

00:00:36.000 I'm sure.

00:00:37.000 You can't get as good as you got without getting obsessed.

00:00:39.000 Are you like this?

00:00:40.000 Like, I don't like doing things I'm not good at.

00:00:43.000 I love doing things I'm not good at to get good at them.

00:00:46.000 Right.

00:00:47.000 But it's just, it's not leisurely to me to play golf.

00:00:51.000 Like, I can't enjoy it because I'm bad at it.

00:00:54.000 Well, you'll enjoy it if you get good at it.

00:00:56.000 But the problem is to get good at it, then you got to get obsessed.

00:00:59.000 Yeah.

00:00:59.000 And then you got to take less.

00:01:00.000 Like, Jamie's got a fucking virtual reality thing in the back where he whacks balls every day. 1.00

00:01:05.000 He's obsessive. 0.99

00:01:06.000 Look, recovering from hitting today.

00:01:08.000 Sweating.

00:01:09.000 Wow.

00:01:09.000 My drummer's a really good golfer.

00:01:12.000 Golf is one of those things that if you get into that, man, that's your whole fucking day. 0.89

00:01:16.000 Yeah, he goes out three or four days a week.

00:01:22.000 When I was living in Boston, I noticed that the comedians that really got into golf, their career kind of stalled.

00:01:28.000 Because all they were, they were just playing golf all day, having fun, drinking, and then they'd go to the club at night, but they weren't writing any new jokes.

00:01:36.000 They weren't obsessing on their career.

00:01:39.000 They kind of stalled out a little.

00:01:40.000 When I still drank, I really liked golfing.

00:01:43.000 And I quit drinking, and I was like, I don't really like this.

00:01:43.000 Yeah.

00:01:47.000 When did you quit drinking?

00:01:50.000 Well, I quit a few times, but the most recent time was like a year and a half ago.

00:01:55.000 Were you quitting because you were just off the rails, or you got to get your health in order?

00:02:02.000 It was kind of a combo deal.

00:02:06.000 When I met my wife, at that point, I thought that I could drink like a gentleman.

00:02:12.000 And it just never really worked out that way.

00:02:13.000 There was just something in me that just wanted to completely burn my life to the ground every time I drank.

00:02:22.000 A real destructive quality.

00:02:24.000 Ooh, that's not good.

00:02:26.000 Yeah, fortunately, I never had that.

00:02:26.000 Yeah.

00:02:28.000 But that is a thing.

00:02:30.000 I've seen that.

00:02:32.000 What is that?

00:02:34.000 I think it's.

00:02:37.000 I think a lot of it is repressed emotions.

00:02:41.000 And that's where they find you, when your brain is in the bottle.

00:02:46.000 Yeah.

00:02:47.000 Yeah.

00:02:48.000 They go, hey, Marcus.

00:02:49.000 Yeah, man.

00:02:50.000 Let's get those problems out.

00:02:52.000 It seduces me.

00:02:53.000 It's like, you don't need anybody. 1.00

00:02:55.000 Fuck everybody. 1.00

00:02:57.000 That woman that married you, you don't want her. 1.00

00:03:01.000 I think sometimes people do that to almost like save themselves from heartbreak sometimes.

00:03:06.000 You kind of like wreck it yourself.

00:03:08.000 It's like making fun of yourself before anyone else can.

00:03:11.000 It's like that thing.

00:03:11.000 Right.

00:03:12.000 Yeah, right.

00:03:14.000 Like, just assume it's going to go bad eventually. 1.00

00:03:17.000 Let's get this fucking train on the tracks right now. 1.00

00:03:19.000 Crack. 1.00

00:03:20.000 Yeah.

00:03:21.000 Core break.

00:03:26.000 That was kind of my, you know, that was my approach for a while.

00:03:30.000 I just, I don't know, man.

00:03:33.000 I was just, I didn't want to feel anything.

00:03:36.000 So that was where it would always end up.

00:03:38.000 And I remember even asking my wife, like, a couple years ago, we opened up for the Avit brothers in Raleigh, North Carolina.

00:03:44.000 And at that point, I'd been sober for like six months.

00:03:47.000 And I was like, I really think I can handle it.

00:03:50.000 And then.

00:03:52.000 And then cut two.

00:03:53.000 It's like famous last words.

00:03:54.000 I chucked a jumbo white claw.

00:03:57.000 Like, I started with a jumbo white cloth, and I just got completely hammered, blacked out.

00:04:02.000 Pissed my wife off so bad.

00:04:03.000 Like, I woke up, and I was at our friend's house, still on the floor, and she left in my bus.

00:04:11.000 And, like, my wallet, everything was on the bus.

00:04:14.000 I had no identification. 0.99

00:04:15.000 She was like, You can fucking figure it out, man. 0.99

00:04:18.000 Wow. 0.99

00:04:19.000 And the bus turned around, came and got me. 1.00

00:04:21.000 But, yeah, she doesn't play any games.

00:04:25.000 So, did you stop then?

00:04:28.000 Yeah, I did.

00:04:29.000 Also, one night.

00:04:31.000 Yeah, I had one night off the leash and I realized I couldn't handle it.

00:04:35.000 You know, there's just some kind of quality in me that's like, I can't stop, you know.

00:04:43.000 And maybe someday I'll find that it's like, I got to get right in here, you know, and in here with myself before I can really consider that again.

00:04:55.000 I quit drinking for about eight months just because I realized I just wasn't feeling good.

00:05:00.000 I was doing because of the club.

00:05:02.000 I was at the club every night, and you know, it's like one night someone would say, Hey, let's do shots.

00:05:08.000 I'll do a shot.

00:05:10.000 I want to be, you know, cordial, hang out with everybody, sense of community.

00:05:15.000 Let's all do it together.

00:05:16.000 Come on, boys.

00:05:18.000 And then, you know, two drinks, three drinks, go home, get up, feel like work out, do it again the next day, feel even shittier the next day. 0.97

00:05:28.000 And it's like, God damn, I got to take some time off. 0.67

00:05:30.000 So, I took about eight months off. 0.98

00:05:33.000 I think I'm not exactly sure how much time I took off.

00:05:36.000 And then I had like a drink with dinner one night, and I said, All right.

00:05:41.000 And so since then, I've never gotten drunk.

00:05:43.000 I've only had a drink or two.

00:05:46.000 Yeah.

00:05:47.000 You know, so I've managed it.

00:05:48.000 But I was not an alcoholic.

00:05:50.000 I was just realizing that all this fun was messing up the rest of my time.

00:05:56.000 I was like, What is it?

00:05:58.000 There's an expression that when you're drinking, like you're.

00:06:02.000 You're taking a loan out on the good times that you could have had for some good times that you can have right now.

00:06:10.000 Wow.

00:06:10.000 And then you got to pay it back.

00:06:12.000 Yeah, with interest.

00:06:14.000 Yeah.

00:06:15.000 Well, physically, the problem is physically for me, it just wasn't worth it.

00:06:19.000 I just, I would be working out at the gym going, why am I doing this? 0.99

00:06:23.000 I keep feeling like shit. 1.00

00:06:25.000 And every time I'm working out, I'm pushing through all this, you know, toxic shit that I poured down my throat the night before. 1.00

00:06:33.000 And my body's recovering from it. 0.99

00:06:35.000 So I feel tired and drained.

00:06:37.000 And then my brain wasn't working as well, you know?

00:06:41.000 That's what it was for me.

00:06:42.000 It was like the anxiety and just like the dopamine depletion and just feeling just completely just like.

00:06:52.000 And I'm somebody who was already struggling with like, that's why I drank in the first place.

00:06:56.000 It's like my mental issues and just anxiety and depression.

00:07:02.000 And then it would just kind of hit me tenfold the next day.

00:07:06.000 It's always interesting to me when someone with anxiety chooses a path in life.

00:07:11.000 Like live performing, yeah, because like it is anything that gives people anxiety, yeah, it's live performing and you're really good at it.

00:07:21.000 Well, that's crazy.

00:07:23.000 It's like you know, you're picking this thing that you're really good at, but that gives a lot of people anxiety, and you have anxiety to begin with, yeah.

00:07:32.000 I mean, it's like there's something to that.

00:07:36.000 It's like Dan Soder, I always quote him on this, he's like, you know, I go around each night, like.

00:07:43.000 Craving the approval of like thousands of people a night.

00:07:47.000 Like, you didn't think I was doing that because things went well growing up.

00:07:51.000 Right. 1.00

00:07:51.000 Like, I'm fucked up. 1.00

00:07:53.000 I need all these people to tell me I'm doing a good job. 0.98

00:07:56.000 But I think the idea is that eventually you channel that.

00:08:03.000 And when you get yourself together, the idea, some people have this idea that if you ever get yourself together somewhat, and I don't think anybody ever gets totally together, but you get yourself together somewhat, and then you don't do it for the approval of it, you do it for the love of the art of it, the thing, and bringing the thing to people and getting enjoyment out of having these people have a good time.

00:08:26.000 And I think you can.

00:08:27.000 I think that can be done.

00:08:29.000 I think you can shift your focus from, I just want these people's love to, I want to give them love.

00:08:37.000 I want everyone to have a good time. 0.91

00:08:39.000 You know, I want to be up there just fucking having a good time. 0.96

00:08:43.000 They're having a good time. 0.99

00:08:43.000 We all have a good time together. 0.99

00:08:45.000 I make their lives feel better for a brief moment.

00:08:48.000 I feel better.

00:08:50.000 Everybody's better off. 1.00

00:08:51.000 And that's the shit, man. 1.00

00:08:52.000 That's what I crave. 1.00

00:08:53.000 And I mean, that's why, like, we just did a run of Texas honky tonks, which that's what.

00:08:58.000 That was kind of the goal, just to get everybody in these sweaty rooms just for the purpose of just like enjoying music again, getting back to these sticky floors.

00:09:07.000 Yeah.

00:09:09.000 Well, you reached out to me because we were talking on the podcast about how rock and roll is kind of dead. 0.98

00:09:13.000 And you said, Fucking rock and roll ain't dead. 0.98

00:09:15.000 Come on. 0.99

00:09:16.000 Well, is anybody that could tell me that rock and roll is not dead?

00:09:16.000 And I was like, All right.

00:09:21.000 It's Marcus King.

00:09:22.000 Man.

00:09:24.000 Yeah.

00:09:25.000 I was, my boy, Ben Jernigan, he told me, he was like, You should text Joe.

00:09:30.000 Because I'm an avid listener.

00:09:32.000 I was like, You think I should say something? 0.99

00:09:34.000 He's like, Yeah, fucking tell him rock and roll ain't dead, man. 0.98

00:09:37.000 It's here tonight, Green Hall. 0.99

00:09:38.000 Well, it's not dead, but it's different.

00:09:42.000 And a lot of the rock that's out now that's doing really well is like a southern inspired rock, which is interesting. 0.97

00:09:50.000 There's like a southern, almost country like rock, like bluesy country rock, you know, red clay strays, like that kind of shit. 0.93

00:09:58.000 They're doing great. 1.00

00:10:00.000 It's like there's a lot of that out there.

00:10:02.000 You know, like people are digging that kind of music, but there's just, you know, when I talk about like rock, I mean, like when I was in high school, it was all Van Halen, ACDC, like that.

00:10:17.000 There were so many big rock and roll bands, the Stones, you know, there was just so much of that out there.

00:10:25.000 And it's odd that there's not a lot of big bands like that anymore.

00:10:32.000 I think it's coming back around.

00:10:34.000 God, I hope so.

00:10:35.000 It doesn't make sense to me because, like, the classic rock is still.

00:10:40.000 Like, we're in the green room and Freebird comes on.

00:10:44.000 Still, everybody's going nuts.

00:10:46.000 I mean, you know, I mean, there's classics, another southern rock and roll band, Leonard Skinner.

00:10:52.000 But there's still, like, a love of that kind of music.

00:10:57.000 But it's just.

00:10:59.000 It's weird that it kind of.

00:11:02.000 You know, it just didn't.

00:11:04.000 I don't know what happened.

00:11:06.000 Well, it's interesting how cyclical the music industry can be. 0.96

00:11:10.000 I feel like for the first time in the last 10 years, since Urban Cowboy came out, because for the last 10 years, I've been going to L.A. with a cowboy hat on, and I always get the same shit like, where do you want to park your horse? 0.96

00:11:25.000 What are you up to, cowboy? 1.00

00:11:27.000 People just talking shit. 1.00

00:11:29.000 But now I go out there, and everybody's got a cowboy hat on. 1.00

00:11:31.000 Really?

00:11:31.000 It's like chic.

00:11:32.000 Yeah.

00:11:33.000 That's interesting.

00:11:34.000 It's like in vogue, like the cowboy thing.

00:11:38.000 Which makes you not want to wear a cowboy hat.

00:11:41.000 Well, you know, it's just, I think rock and roll is kind of having a similar resurgence.

00:11:47.000 God, I hope so.

00:11:49.000 I hope so.

00:11:50.000 You know, I mean, there's got to be people out there that still love it.

00:11:55.000 And I just don't, I mean, I just don't understand how there's no new big bands like that.

00:12:03.000 Well, it's interesting.

00:12:05.000 You know, I was actually in the gym watching Led Zeppelin at Royal Albert Hall.

00:12:12.000 Oh, wow. 1.00

00:12:13.000 And I was like, this is a fucking jam band. 1.00

00:12:15.000 They're jamming. 1.00

00:12:17.000 You know?

00:12:17.000 And I'm like, it just, like, the Allman Brothers band was a jam band.

00:12:21.000 Like, they had guidelines.

00:12:23.000 And that's kind of how we do our show.

00:12:24.000 Like, we have songs that we're playing just to get to that improvisational section where we can just kind of, you know, work with the chemistry of the crowd and each other on stage.

00:12:35.000 And it's just, it's interesting to me, like, the way things have become subdivided, you know?

00:12:43.000 It's like, you're not a jam band unless it's, like, widespread or, like, Fish or, like, The Dead or something like that. 0.96

00:12:49.000 But, like, Zeppelin was a fucking jam band. 0.97

00:12:52.000 Yeah, in a lot of ways. 0.99

00:12:53.000 Yeah.

00:12:54.000 Yeah.

00:12:54.000 Especially when they're performing live.

00:12:56.000 Yeah.

00:12:57.000 Yeah.

00:13:00.000 What is that band that sounds like Zeppelin?

00:13:02.000 Greta Van Fleet. 0.73

00:13:03.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:13:04.000 Greta Van Fleet. 1.00

00:13:05.000 They're fucking great. 0.99

00:13:06.000 They are great. 0.99

00:13:06.000 It's weird. 0.99

00:13:07.000 It's weird because they sound so much like Zeppelin, but they're really good.

00:13:13.000 So, like, I give them a pass.

00:13:15.000 They get a pass from me.

00:13:16.000 I mean, they're my boys.

00:13:20.000 I really like those dudes.

00:13:21.000 Like, we used to party together a bunch.

00:13:22.000 They live in Nashville.

00:13:24.000 And the guitar player Jake, he's just the sweetest guy.

00:13:31.000 He gave me a housewarming gift.

00:13:32.000 He's really into pirate stuff.

00:13:34.000 Pirate stuff?

00:13:35.000 Yeah.

00:13:36.000 He's really into piracy.

00:13:37.000 And he gave me a musket pistol.

00:13:45.000 Like what a pirate would have carried around.

00:13:45.000 Oh, wow.

00:13:47.000 A real one?

00:13:48.000 Yeah.

00:13:49.000 So, from the olden days? 1.00

00:13:50.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

00:13:50.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:13:51.000 That's going to be worth a lot of fucking money. 0.99

00:13:53.000 I mean, they're doing pretty well. 0.99

00:13:53.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:13:56.000 Wow, what is an old musket pistol run?

00:13:59.000 How much can you get one of them for?

00:14:01.000 See if you can find something, Jamie.

00:14:03.000 Yeah, an old musket pistol.

00:14:05.000 You know, when the conquistadors took over Mexico, they had 12 of those.

00:14:11.000 That's it.

00:14:12.000 12 guns.

00:14:13.000 12 musket pistols.

00:14:14.000 Wow.

00:14:15.000 Yeah, I looked that up on Perplexity. 0.99

00:14:18.000 I was diving deep into how the fuck Mexico became Spanish. 0.99

00:14:23.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:14:23.000 You know, like what happened? 0.99

00:14:24.000 How did that, like they lost like 100 indigenous languages at least.

00:14:28.000 Wow.

00:14:29.000 It's kind of crazy.

00:14:30.000 But here it is.

00:14:33.000 What?

00:14:34.000 You can get one for $195?

00:14:36.000 Modern reproduction.

00:14:38.000 Oh, reproductions.

00:14:39.000 What about a real one?

00:14:40.000 Antique ones.

00:14:43.000 17th century Barbary Wars antique pirate flintlock pistol recently sold for $416.

00:14:48.000 That's it?

00:14:49.000 No.

00:14:51.000 That seems crazy.

00:14:54.000 That seems crazy.

00:14:56.000 It's pretty good for a gift budget.

00:14:58.000 I'd say it looks, based on how many reproductions and what you just said, there being 12 back then, there might not be that many of them that exist.

00:15:03.000 So, they have to make reproductions.

00:15:06.000 But if this says antique pirate era muskets and it said it sold for $416 from the 17th century. 0.98

00:15:13.000 Maybe it sucks. 0.98

00:15:14.000 Maybe it's a bad one. 0.98

00:15:17.000 But it's from the 1600s and it sold for $416.

00:15:21.000 I'll try to look it up.

00:15:22.000 Can you see what those look like?

00:15:25.000 We'll see if we can get one.

00:15:27.000 We should get one and put it on the wall. 1.00

00:15:29.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

00:15:29.000 Look at that one. 1.00

00:15:31.000 How much is that one?

00:15:32.000 I think that's the one that sold for $400.

00:15:34.000 That says $155.

00:15:36.000 What?

00:15:37.000 That's crazy.

00:15:40.000 How are they so cheap?

00:15:43.000 There's the ones with $4.16.

00:15:45.000 God, that seems like they should be almost priceless. 0.96

00:15:48.000 I mean, this is from the fucking 1600s and it's sold for 400 bucks. 0.97

00:15:54.000 That one sold for 200 bucks. 0.98

00:15:57.000 I think I can just go pick them up.

00:15:57.000 Wow.

00:15:58.000 There's a store in Austin, I bet they've got a bunch.

00:16:00.000 No way.

00:16:01.000 Really?

00:16:01.000 Yeah.

00:16:02.000 I went to the store. 0.98

00:16:03.000 They've got a bunch of weird shit like this. 0.99

00:16:04.000 They must have. 0.99

00:16:05.000 They would have to have them if they're only 300 bucks, I would say. 0.97

00:16:08.000 And all kinds of armor and guns and cannons and weird shit. 0.97

00:16:11.000 What? 0.98

00:16:11.000 What place is this? 0.98

00:16:12.000 It's called, like, Collector's.

00:16:16.000 There's something weird about those dudes who like want to recreate wars.

00:16:21.000 Yeah, that's an odd thing.

00:16:23.000 That's a very odd thing.

00:16:24.000 Yeah, I mean, I've got the facial air of a civil war in redactor, but that's about as close as I get on the wall.

00:16:34.000 Oh, wow, that's in Austin. 0.99

00:16:37.000 Yeah, no shit. 1.00

00:16:38.000 Yeah, well, that's pretty fucking dope. 1.00

00:16:41.000 Yeah, collector's crossroads. 0.99

00:16:43.000 I popped in there one day to see what it was about, and they have little musket pistols.

00:16:48.000 I wonder how you know crossbows. 0.99

00:16:51.000 Crossbow is just a shitty gun. 0.99

00:16:53.000 I'm not a fan. 0.99

00:16:55.000 What if it was a pirate's crossbow? 0.99

00:16:58.000 Yeah, I guess it's kind of cool, but it's just, uh, it is weird that we're really into like old, like, you know, it's interesting you're holding something that's a piece of history, and what history is is like at the time, this was the shit. 0.95

00:17:15.000 Like, at the time, this was like the coolest thing you can get. 0.92

00:17:18.000 Like, 400 years ago, if you wanted to kill somebody, this was the way to do it.

00:17:22.000 You had to get one of these things, which is very odd.

00:17:24.000 Yeah, it's just very odd that.

00:17:27.000 Oh, look at all this stuff. 0.98

00:17:27.000 I don't know if it was George Washington shit there, but they had. 0.98

00:17:30.000 That's what it looks like it would be. 0.98

00:17:32.000 George Washington swords?

00:17:33.000 I don't know.

00:17:34.000 We should get one of those for Shane.

00:17:36.000 He's a big George Washington fan.

00:17:38.000 Look, there you go.

00:17:40.000 Oh, wow.

00:17:41.000 Look at that.

00:17:43.000 That's crazy.

00:17:44.000 So, yeah, I mean, I don't even know what that is.

00:17:46.000 That's a weird one. 0.99

00:17:47.000 Look at the handle on that fucker. 0.99

00:17:49.000 Is this from Middle East, Central Asia? 1.00

00:17:51.000 It could be.

00:17:51.000 Oh, look, it's got like a dragon mouth on the back of it.

00:17:54.000 That's pretty sweet.

00:17:55.000 Wow.

00:17:56.000 All right.

00:17:56.000 Huh.

00:17:57.000 We need one of those.

00:17:58.000 All right.

00:17:59.000 It's like a road trip, Jamie.

00:18:01.000 We should probably do it before this episode comes out.

00:18:02.000 We'll grab it tonight.

00:18:03.000 Yeah.

00:18:04.000 We need to go down there today before this episode goes out. 1.00

00:18:08.000 Fuck up their business. 1.00

00:18:10.000 You go there, it's empty. 1.00

00:18:12.000 All these dorks have fucking armor all over their house now. 0.99

00:18:16.000 It's just people that are really into like the old wars and recreating old wars. 1.00

00:18:20.000 I always want to know like, what's wrong with you?

00:18:23.000 Like, what happened to you?

00:18:26.000 Yeah.

00:18:27.000 It's, I grew up with a kid that was like that.

00:18:31.000 That was obsessed with like everything, Army, Navy.

00:18:36.000 But his father was in the military, but he had never gone into the military.

00:18:40.000 They wouldn't accept him.

00:18:41.000 Why?

00:18:41.000 I don't know.

00:18:44.000 I don't think he could ever pass the physical.

00:18:46.000 He was a bigger dude.

00:18:47.000 Oh, okay.

00:18:48.000 His name was Maurice.

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00:19:50.000 They say that 77% of American kids can't pass the physical to get into the military.

00:19:56.000 I believe it, man.

00:19:57.000 Just based on my own experience, like I remember the presidential fitness test, like that's a bad memory of mine just hanging on the pull up bar in front of all my.

00:20:08.000 My classmates and not being able to do one pull up.

00:20:12.000 Just hanging there.

00:20:13.000 What is the presidential fitness test?

00:20:16.000 It's something they did when I was a kid.

00:20:17.000 It's like they wanted to make sure that you could do like 10 push ups or however many pull ups or whatever.

00:20:23.000 How many pull ups do you have to do for the presidential fitness test?

00:20:26.000 There's a different standard, but they literally, this was going on last week, they just started it up again.

00:20:31.000 Donald Trump had like Bryson DeShambo in the White House with a couple guys, Gary Player and a golfer.

00:20:37.000 Well, they had kids in there also.

00:20:39.000 That's funny.

00:20:40.000 It's funny because I'd go, hey, Why don't you do it?

00:20:46.000 Let me see you do a chin up, bro.

00:20:48.000 22 push ups for a 10 year old.

00:20:50.000 22 push ups.

00:20:51.000 That's a lot.

00:20:53.000 Yeah, 45 curl ups.

00:20:54.000 That's crazy.

00:20:55.000 Six pull ups.

00:20:56.000 That's a lot.

00:20:58.000 What's a curl up?

00:20:59.000 Put the other way, like biceps, hands, you know, pull up with your hands.

00:21:02.000 45?

00:21:03.000 Yeah.

00:21:04.000 Come on.

00:21:05.000 That's crazy.

00:21:07.000 Wait a minute.

00:21:08.000 In an eight minute mile?

00:21:09.000 Come on.

00:21:10.000 Is that really?

00:21:11.000 It says six pull ups or 45 curl ups.

00:21:14.000 But curl ups aren't that much easier than.

00:21:16.000 Pull ups, are they?

00:21:17.000 I remember when I was 10, they were what, but that's just being a 10 year old because your body you're only weighed like 60.

00:21:24.000 You know, I don't know.

00:21:24.000 Kids are light, usually lighter than I am.

00:21:27.000 I was heavier than most.

00:21:28.000 Yeah, that's I was gonna say, there are different standards.

00:21:30.000 I remember kids, but bro, 45 is crazy.

00:21:34.000 That seems excessive.

00:21:36.000 That seems like a lot of reps.

00:21:38.000 I don't even understand how that's possible.

00:21:40.000 That's the standard.

00:21:42.000 I don't think I could do that.

00:21:44.000 Uh, actually, I think there was their sit ups, it's calling it a curl up because here it says it measures abdominal strength.

00:21:49.000 Oh, okay, sit ups.

00:21:51.000 Okay.

00:21:52.000 Why are they calling it curl ups?

00:21:53.000 I don't know.

00:21:54.000 Because it was like 45 chin ups.

00:21:57.000 So it's like there's pull ups and chin ups.

00:22:00.000 Which one's a chin up?

00:22:00.000 Which one's a pull up?

00:22:01.000 Pull up, hands over. 0.77

00:22:03.000 And then chin up and sit ups.

00:22:03.000 Okay.

00:22:04.000 And I was saying, yeah, that's what I was saying. 0.74

00:22:06.000 45 of those would be bonkers.

00:22:08.000 I can't do that.

00:22:08.000 That's crazy.

00:22:10.000 Because like six pull ups I could do easy.

00:22:13.000 But 45 sit ups is still hard.

00:22:17.000 That's hard too.

00:22:18.000 Well, that's a lot.

00:22:20.000 It's a standard.

00:22:21.000 Huh.

00:22:22.000 Not that your kid's there.

00:22:23.000 That seems like a lot of kids wouldn't be there for 45 sit ups.

00:22:27.000 Yep.

00:22:29.000 What are they trying to do?

00:22:30.000 What are they doing to us, Jim?

00:22:32.000 I would fail on that, too, so they couldn't draft me. 0.99

00:22:34.000 These motherfuckers are talking about drafting people. 0.97

00:22:36.000 I was listening to Tim Dillon's show, and he was saying that, see if this is true, that Palantir thinks that we should reintroduce conscription, that kids should start getting drafted again into the military, and they should have mandatory military experience for kids. 0.99

00:22:52.000 I just don't understand why anybody would want to support that.

00:22:54.000 That sounds crazy. 0.99

00:22:57.000 Especially after this Iran war, where everybody's like, why the fuck are we in Iran? 0.99

00:23:01.000 And if you signed up for that, that sounds nuts. 0.99

00:23:09.000 Is that real?

00:23:10.000 Palantir has publicly called for the U.S. to move away from an all volunteer military and towards some form of universal national service that many observers interpret as reintroducing a draft or conscription.

00:23:24.000 Yeah, Tim got into this manifesto that I haven't looked into this yet. 0.68

00:23:30.000 Why the fuck would a tech company be saying that we need to move towards a universal national military service? 1.00

00:23:38.000 How about fuck you? 1.00

00:23:41.000 How about fuck you, you go? 1.00

00:23:44.000 Because you know, none of these tech dorks that are running these companies, they're not doing it. 1.00

00:23:48.000 Like, what are you talking about?

00:23:49.000 Yeah.

00:23:50.000 Throwing meat into the machine, throwing people's children into these unnecessary wars. 1.00

00:23:57.000 Fuck you. 1.00

00:23:58.000 It's scary. 1.00

00:23:59.000 It's very scary.

00:24:01.000 It's scary that they would like, how about let's figure out a way to use your technology so there's no more wars?

00:24:06.000 Wouldn't that be a better goal? 0.99

00:24:08.000 Instead of getting kids to fucking learn how to go shoot people they don't know. 1.00

00:24:08.000 Right. 1.00

00:24:13.000 Sure.

00:24:14.000 Because someone tells you to.

00:24:16.000 And how many of these, out of all the wars that we've been in since World War II, is it zero that made sense?

00:24:24.000 I think it's zero. 0.62

00:24:25.000 I don't think there's one war that we've been in since World War II that makes any fucking sense at all. 0.82

00:24:30.000 Sure. 0.82

00:24:31.000 And they're like, I haven't.

00:24:32.000 The solution is we need more people to be forced into it.

00:24:38.000 I mean, what would a draft look like in today's culture?

00:24:41.000 I mean, like with inclusion, would it be like anybody at 18 years old can be drafted, or do you think it would still be just able bodied young men?

00:24:51.000 That's a good question. 0.98

00:24:53.000 I, you know, I'm for people doing whatever they want, but when it comes to like combat, you're going to draft women, that would be fucking insane. 1.00

00:25:06.000 That would be insane. 0.98

00:25:08.000 So, are you not going to be sexist?

00:25:11.000 Are you going to go inclusion and say everybody has to do it? 0.99

00:25:16.000 Well, then that'll be good for America because most people would say, get the fuck out of here. 0.98

00:25:21.000 There's not a chance in hell we're doing that. 0.93

00:25:23.000 I just don't understand how people that aren't elected officials that essentially just run a tech company would think it's a good idea to call for national military service.

00:25:31.000 I've heard other people say that too.

00:25:33.000 I've heard like. 0.98

00:25:35.000 Podcasters and weird tech people say it's a good idea, and I don't know what the fuck they're thinking. 0.90

00:25:41.000 I think they should have to go over there and experience war and then come back and see if you really think the same thing. 0.95

00:25:48.000 Sure, I buy that.

00:25:50.000 I mean, or at least go on like a USO tour or something, go with Jeffrey Ross and see what it's about, you know.

00:25:57.000 Well, then you're just gonna meet people that are happy to see you.

00:26:00.000 You need to actually see combat.

00:26:03.000 I just don't get why we're even listening to them.

00:26:07.000 You make software, keep doing that.

00:26:09.000 Yeah, it's interesting.

00:26:10.000 That they don't even have the.

00:26:13.000 Like, why would they say that?

00:26:15.000 No, it doesn't sound good.

00:26:16.000 And it's also, they make weird surveillance software that a lot of people are like, but how much are you surveilling?

00:26:21.000 How much power do you have?

00:26:22.000 Like, Tim Dillon went pretty deep on it on his show, which is, I can't recommend enough. 0.99

00:26:26.000 If you did not listen to the Tim Dillon show, you're fucking up. 0.99

00:26:29.000 It's the funniest fucking take on all the chaos that's going on in the world. 0.99

00:26:33.000 I don't think there's anybody better right now. 0.99

00:26:36.000 His podcast is fucking phenomenal. 0.95

00:26:39.000 It's my must listen to podcasts every week. 0.98

00:26:42.000 Yep.

00:26:43.000 It's so good. 0.98

00:26:45.000 I just listen, but if you watch it, it's even more ridiculous. 0.83

00:26:48.000 He did this thing about them giving Ozempic to babies. 0.92

00:26:55.000 Oh, it was so funny. 0.96

00:26:57.000 It was so ridiculous. 0.92

00:27:00.000 My dad did Ozempic, and he said, Man, you know, like, you can eat through that. 0.80

00:27:07.000 He's like, You can just keep going.

00:27:08.000 I mean, you won't feel great, but, you know, it curbs your appetite, but you can get it down.

00:27:14.000 Well, Tim talked about it because he did it.

00:27:18.000 And he said it didn't just stop his desire for food, it stopped his desire for everything, which I've heard.

00:27:26.000 So, there's some people that think there's some good in these GLP 1s for addiction because it curbs whatever that is as well.

00:27:36.000 So, it can help people with all kinds of addictions, too, not just like food addictions, alcohol, but gambling, like weird stuff.

00:27:43.000 I heard that.

00:27:44.000 Yeah.

00:27:45.000 I actually was doing it for a minute, and it was around the time that I was like, one of the times I was trying to quit drinking, and I was working on a record.

00:27:55.000 And I was trying it out, and it actually curbed my desire for a drink.

00:28:00.000 Yeah?

00:28:01.000 Yeah.

00:28:02.000 What else did it do?

00:28:04.000 Gave me really bad stomach cramps.

00:28:06.000 Yeah.

00:28:07.000 And also, I mean, that was like before I really, I just, I don't know.

00:28:15.000 At that time in my life, I just wasn't really concerned about what I put in my body, you know.

00:28:20.000 I say that while I'm smoking a cigarette, but, you know.

00:28:25.000 But, dude, you're smoking natural spirits.

00:28:27.000 I think those are safe.

00:28:29.000 Effective.

00:28:29.000 Yeah.

00:28:31.000 You know, additive free.

00:28:33.000 Yeah.

00:28:35.000 I just, I always wonder about these things when things come along to give people an easy fix.

00:28:40.000 Like, okay, maybe it works, or maybe there's some sort of side effect that's going to fuck you up for the rest of your life.

00:28:46.000 And for some people, there is.

00:28:48.000 I mean, some people are experiencing all kinds of wild side effects.

00:28:51.000 Stomach paralysis is one of them.

00:28:53.000 Brian Simpson got pancreatitis from it.

00:28:56.000 Mm hmm.

00:28:56.000 Really?

00:28:58.000 Yeah.

00:28:58.000 He was sick in bed for like two weeks.

00:29:00.000 It fucked him up. 0.98

00:29:02.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:29:03.000 Well, yeah.

00:29:03.000 I mean, the long term effects, like you just have no idea because it's new.

00:29:09.000 I've also heard that the problem is the dosages are too high.

00:29:13.000 And when you go into a doctor, they give you a standard dosage.

00:29:17.000 And the way to do it, some people feel, is to make a much smaller dose than what they're prescribing.

00:29:25.000 And that's what you need.

00:29:27.000 You just need a little bit of a curb to it, not like a complete cessation of all desire to eat.

00:29:34.000 Right.

00:29:35.000 Getting to that point. 0.99

00:29:36.000 That high dosage really fast could probably be harmful or have some fucking discipline. 0.98

00:29:43.000 Yeah, how about try that out? 0.99

00:29:44.000 How about try out don't eat as much?

00:29:47.000 Same thing, right?

00:29:48.000 Except this way, it's not going to kill your body or kill your stomach or make you go blind or what are the side effects?

00:29:55.000 Because there's a lot of lawsuits, there's a ton of lawsuits that are coming down the pipe.

00:30:00.000 Because I think people have gone blind, I think I might have made that up.

00:30:05.000 Check that, but this is wild lawsuits.

00:30:11.000 Yeah.

00:30:11.000 People are claiming bad side effects from this stuff, which, you know, makes sense.

00:30:17.000 It's a medication.

00:30:18.000 People vary biologically.

00:30:19.000 Can cause permanent blindness.

00:30:21.000 Yeah.

00:30:22.000 In one eye.

00:30:23.000 Oh, well, you know, you got your other guy, and now you got a six pack.

00:30:28.000 Eye stroke.

00:30:31.000 Eye stroke.

00:30:32.000 Oh, boy.

00:30:33.000 Wow.

00:30:34.000 Whoo.

00:30:35.000 Non arteritic anterior ischemic optic neuropathy.

00:30:41.000 I don't think I said that right.

00:30:42.000 Sudden, painless, and often permanent blindness in one eye.

00:30:47.000 Wow.

00:30:47.000 Sounds like a punk band.

00:30:49.000 It does.

00:30:52.000 Side effects acute pancreatitis, that's what Brian got, gallbladder problems, gastroparesis, stomach paralysis, bowel obstructions, and potential thyroid tumors.

00:31:06.000 Hmm.

00:31:07.000 Mild GI issues are common.

00:31:10.000 These severe complications require immediate medical attention, often.

00:31:14.000 Occurring more frequently at higher doses.

00:31:16.000 Yeah, that's what they're saying.

00:31:18.000 It's apparently when you're getting it from a pharmaceutical drug company, you're getting it.

00:31:22.000 This is the argument for compounding pharmacies, apparently.

00:31:27.000 And then there's a new one that's coming out.

00:31:29.000 What is it called?

00:31:30.000 Rituatide?

00:31:32.000 Rituatide.

00:31:35.000 And this one is supposed to be better because it doesn't cause muscle loss and it doesn't cause bone density loss and it's supposed to be more effective.

00:31:45.000 Huh.

00:31:46.000 Investigational.

00:31:48.000 I mean, I just typed in Rituatide.

00:31:51.000 Isn't that a weird word?

00:31:52.000 Investigational.

00:31:54.000 Once weekly injectable triple agonist medication targeting GLP 1, GIP, and glucogen receptors developed by Eli Lilly, showing unprecedented weight loss results of up to 24% in phase two trials.

00:32:09.000 They say that this is going to be a trillion dollar medication. 0.99

00:32:15.000 Or have some fucking discipline. 0.99

00:32:18.000 Go to the gym, eat better, be healthy, do what Jelly Roll did. 1.00

00:32:18.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:32:23.000 Yeah.

00:32:23.000 You know, Jelly Roll was at the club last night, he's down.

00:32:26.000 300 pounds. 1.00

00:32:28.000 That's fucking nuts. 1.00

00:32:29.000 He runs like five miles a day. 1.00

00:32:31.000 He works out every day.

00:32:33.000 He looks fantastic.

00:32:34.000 He looks like a different person.

00:32:36.000 It's like I knew him when he was like 500 pounds, and now I know him when he's in the twos.

00:32:41.000 It's like he's a different human.

00:32:42.000 He looks different.

00:32:43.000 I know it's still Jelly Roll, but it looks like a completely different man.

00:32:47.000 It's nuts.

00:32:49.000 I remember when we did, I was in the house band for Kill Tony at the Garden, and Jelly came out and did New York, New York.

00:32:56.000 Yeah, I was there.

00:32:57.000 That's got to be a custom suit.

00:32:59.000 I was like, that's a big suit.

00:33:01.000 Yeah.

00:33:02.000 And then the next time I saw him, he was like he is now.

00:33:05.000 And I mean, hell, like what I did, because I have an appetite, you know?

00:33:10.000 Like what I do now, like I'm basically doing like a keto diet because I like to eat a lot of whatever it is.

00:33:16.000 Me too.

00:33:17.000 So if it's like a big salad, you know, or whatever.

00:33:20.000 But I'm down like 25 pounds doing that.

00:33:22.000 Yeah.

00:33:22.000 Oh, that's nice.

00:33:23.000 Are you doing this with the help of a nutritionist?

00:33:25.000 Are you just doing it on your own?

00:33:27.000 Just doing it on my own.

00:33:30.000 Yeah.

00:33:31.000 You're laughing.

00:33:32.000 Well, I mean, you know, it's just, I've tried a few different routes, man.

00:33:32.000 Yeah.

00:33:38.000 I've been, you know, husky since I was a kid and shopping in the husky department at Kmart, you know.

00:33:45.000 Is this, do you think it's a genetic thing?

00:33:48.000 Do you think it's the way you ate as a child?

00:33:49.000 What do you think?

00:33:51.000 I think psychological, a lot of it, it was like the only thing I had control of as a child is like food.

00:33:59.000 It was like, and a scarcity mindset as well.

00:34:02.000 Yeah.

00:34:02.000 Just like the way that I, You know, think about food, it's just, you know, probably not the healthiest.

00:34:09.000 So for me, it's just easier to say, like, I don't eat these things.

00:34:13.000 Because, like, if I eat bread or something like that, it just hurts my stomach now, you know?

00:34:18.000 And I just, I can feel, like, the difference when I don't eat it, you know?

00:34:23.000 I just feel better.

00:34:25.000 I have more energy.

00:34:26.000 100%.

00:34:26.000 Yeah.

00:34:27.000 Yeah.

00:34:28.000 And once you get your body working on ketones, too, the thing is, you've just, your brain functions better.

00:34:34.000 That's one of the more interesting things.

00:34:35.000 That's why people take things like, um, Like ketone, what is it?

00:34:40.000 Ketone IQ?

00:34:42.000 That stuff's great.

00:34:43.000 Like you just down one of those little shots and it puts you into ketosis temporarily.

00:34:48.000 Oh, really?

00:34:49.000 Yeah, they're exogenous ketones.

00:34:51.000 I think the guy who just invented those just died.

00:34:56.000 He was also a guy that worked for Ballco Labs. 0.99

00:34:58.000 He developed the clear, that shit that Barry Bonds took. 1.00

00:35:02.000 Okay. 1.00

00:35:03.000 So this guy was a chemist.

00:35:03.000 The steroids.

00:35:05.000 He was a scientist.

00:35:06.000 I think someone, oh, I think Chris Bell.

00:35:10.000 Chris Bell or Mark, I think it was Mark Bell, just posted about it on his Instagram page that this guy just died.

00:35:16.000 This guy was like one of America's great chemists, and he developed a lot of these things, including exogenous ketones, according to Mark.

00:35:24.000 But that's one of the things that I noticed when I went into the carnivore diet, is that immediately my brain just started functioning better, which is what I try to eat most of the time.

00:35:37.000 Like this morning, I ate sausage and eggs, and sausage from an animal that I shot.

00:35:43.000 I like to do that.

00:35:44.000 I eat like I had sable.

00:35:46.000 This is the guy.

00:35:47.000 So, this is Mark's Instagram.

00:35:49.000 The greatest chemist of our time, if possibly any other, Patrick Arnold is dead.

00:35:53.000 Patrick Arnold is the guy who made the cream and the clear for the Bonds and McGuire.

00:35:58.000 Oh, that Bonds and McGuire blasted home runs off of, supposedly.

00:36:03.000 In addition to those incredible inventions, he also brought exogenous ketones to the market.

00:36:10.000 What happened to that guy?

00:36:11.000 How did he die?

00:36:12.000 That's an interesting picture to put up.

00:36:14.000 Yeah.

00:36:14.000 It looks like Oswald looking at Jack Ruby.

00:36:18.000 He looks healthy.

00:36:19.000 I want to know how he died.

00:36:22.000 I wonder how old that picture was.

00:36:27.000 Organic chemists.

00:36:30.000 Andrustein Dione, too.

00:36:31.000 Oh, he had all those pro hormones or whatever those things were that people were taking that weren't totally steroids, but they were kind of steroid like.

00:36:44.000 Does it say?

00:36:44.000 How did he die?

00:36:46.000 It's a weird website, too.

00:36:51.000 He died at 60.

00:36:56.000 Hmm.

00:36:58.000 Maybe he's experimenting on himself.

00:37:01.000 Why don't you just put in cause of death?

00:37:07.000 I know, it should come up.

00:37:10.000 You would think a guy who's working on like performance and fitness.

00:37:17.000 Does it say?

00:37:17.000 No.

00:37:23.000 When you click on what happened, oh, to David Arnold.

00:37:27.000 Oh, Patrick Arnold.

00:37:29.000 So it just doesn't say how he died?

00:37:29.000 Huh.

00:37:31.000 Nope.

00:37:31.000 And it just happened, so there's no a lot of things about him.

00:37:34.000 Oh, okay.

00:37:35.000 So it hasn't been released yet.

00:37:38.000 Doesn't say.

00:37:38.000 Yeah.

00:37:40.000 He made a lot of roids.

00:37:43.000 You got to wonder.

00:37:44.000 The dude is like doing so much work in anabolic steroids.

00:37:48.000 He worked for Balko.

00:37:50.000 They were the ones that were making undetectable steroids.

00:37:52.000 You know about that old story?

00:37:54.000 This is back in the 90s, Jamie?

00:37:58.000 Yeah.

00:37:59.000 The McGuire.

00:38:00.000 Around 2000.

00:38:01.000 So they developed steroids that were undetectable.

00:38:06.000 So when they would test for steroids, what they would do is they would take.

00:38:09.000 Because when I guess the way it works is when they're doing a steroid test, they're looking for very specific molecules.

00:38:15.000 So they invented a molecule that had like additional things attached to it where it wouldn't show up.

00:38:21.000 I'm probably butchering that.

00:38:22.000 But essentially, they were undetectable steroids.

00:38:25.000 One of them was called the CLEAR.

00:38:27.000 And the guy who ran the lab was called Balco Laboratories.

00:38:30.000 There's this guy, Victor Conti, who eventually went to jail for that.

00:38:34.000 And then when he I don't know why he went to jail, but he got out and then became an anti steroid sort of activist.

00:38:42.000 And he was I don't want to say activist, but he was essentially ratting people out and saying that this guy's probably doing steroids and this is how he's doing it.

00:38:51.000 And then a lot of athletes were using his company to use steroid free performance enhancing supplements that were legal.

00:39:00.000 So, he would show you what's legal and how to do it.

00:39:02.000 He knew a lot about it because he did the illegal stuff, too.

00:39:05.000 Interesting.

00:39:06.000 Yeah.

00:39:09.000 I've gotten a couple steroid shots before a show, if my voice goes up.

00:39:13.000 Is it like a cortisone?

00:39:16.000 I guess that's what it is. 1.00

00:39:17.000 It's like that one that they shoot in your ass, cheek. 1.00

00:39:19.000 Hmm. 1.00

00:39:20.000 What does that do for your voice?

00:39:23.000 It just brings you back. 1.00

00:39:25.000 Man, it's got to be rough when a fucking singer loses their voice. 0.99

00:39:29.000 Yeah, I mean. 0.99

00:39:30.000 People have asked me before, like, what my warm up routine is, and, like, I've never had one.

00:39:35.000 Two cigarettes.

00:39:36.000 A couple cigarettes.

00:39:37.000 It used to be a shot of whiskey.

00:39:41.000 If I was really in dire straits, I would take, like, a handful of sugar free gummy bears and put boiling water on that.

00:39:49.000 And then the gummy bears would, like, coat my throat.

00:39:49.000 Really?

00:39:52.000 Like, honey, ginger, lemon.

00:39:52.000 Huh.

00:39:54.000 Yeah, hot water and lemon is a really good one.

00:39:57.000 There's something about that that eases me.

00:39:59.000 It's like time off is what fucks my voice up more than anything.

00:40:02.000 Time off?

00:40:03.000 Really?

00:40:03.000 Yeah.

00:40:04.000 Oh, so like your vocal cords get out of shape.

00:40:07.000 Interesting.

00:40:08.000 Because it's hard to like keep them up, you know.

00:40:11.000 Unless you're like going in your garage and screaming for two hours a night, you know.

00:40:11.000 Right.

00:40:15.000 That's crazy.

00:40:16.000 I never thought about it like that.

00:40:17.000 Like your vocal cords are essentially a muscle like any other, and they develop over time, and you get endurance.

00:40:25.000 That makes sense.

00:40:26.000 Yeah.

00:40:26.000 So like the pandemic was like the first time that a lot of us had any extended amount of time off from the road, and we all started.

00:40:36.000 Noticing, like, or at least me, like, I came back, like, hurting a little bit.

00:40:41.000 Oh, that makes sense.

00:40:43.000 I saw Guns N' Roses in Athens, Greece.

00:40:47.000 And Axl Rose, you know, has that crazy singing style. 0.94

00:40:51.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:40:52.000 It's like a, like, and that has to be fucking hell on your voice. 0.96

00:40:56.000 And, you know, the show was amazing, but his voice is not the same. 0.96

00:41:01.000 It's just, there's no way it can be.

00:41:04.000 I know Steven Tyler, like, he's back.

00:41:08.000 Is he?

00:41:08.000 Yeah.

00:41:09.000 So he quit for a while because he was like, I can't sing.

00:41:12.000 And then he healed up and now he's back again?

00:41:15.000 I don't know exactly what he did, but I played with him back in January.

00:41:19.000 And like, the boy's back. 1.00

00:41:22.000 No shit, that's fucking great. 1.00

00:41:24.000 Singing his ass off. 1.00

00:41:25.000 That's fucking great. 1.00

00:41:26.000 I love to hear that. 0.99

00:41:28.000 I saw the Stones a couple years ago at Circuit of the Americas, and Mick Jagger can still wail.

00:41:35.000 Yeah.

00:41:36.000 He can still wail. 1.00

00:41:37.000 That was a great fucking show. 1.00

00:41:39.000 Almost surreal. 0.99

00:41:40.000 He's got a lot of energy, too, man.

00:41:42.000 So much energy.

00:41:43.000 It's crazy.

00:41:44.000 He has two trailer trucks that he brings with him that are just gym equipment.

00:41:48.000 Wow.

00:41:49.000 Everywhere they go, two big ass trailer trucks just filled with gym equipment.

00:41:53.000 They say he works out seven days a week.

00:41:55.000 That's awesome.

00:41:56.000 And he's 180,000 years old.

00:41:59.000 He's still up there.

00:42:01.000 And then Keith Richards, opposite approach whiskey, cocaine, LSD, no problems, still there too.

00:42:07.000 So it's like find something you love and stick with it.

00:42:11.000 I know.

00:42:12.000 It's so funny.

00:42:14.000 It makes me think of we went out with Willie a few times.

00:42:18.000 And Willie's got like most artists, he's got like 18 tractor trailers back there.

00:42:25.000 But I don't know if you've been to a Willie Nelson show recently.

00:42:27.000 It's like there's nothing on the stage. 0.99

00:42:30.000 I'm like, what's in all these fucking trucks? 0.98

00:42:32.000 I never really got to the bottom of that, but there's like seven or eight truck drivers back there. 0.99

00:42:37.000 It's all weed.

00:42:39.000 It must be all weed or something. 0.99

00:42:40.000 He'd go in, it's all grow lights and plants and shit. 0.99

00:42:44.000 He's got that drink that they sell. 0.99

00:42:47.000 He's got that weed drink.

00:42:47.000 Oh, yeah.

00:42:49.000 Yeah.

00:42:49.000 Well, his remedy.

00:42:50.000 And Ron White brought some to the green room of the Comedy Mothership.

00:42:54.000 And someone was saying, oh, you can't get it. 0.99

00:42:56.000 I'm like, it's real as fuck, dude. 0.99

00:42:56.000 That's not real. 0.99

00:42:59.000 That stuff's very legit.

00:43:00.000 It's real.

00:43:01.000 Yeah.

00:43:02.000 It's very.

00:43:02.000 I don't know what the rules are, the laws are.

00:43:06.000 It's starting to become like a gray area.

00:43:09.000 It should be.

00:43:11.000 I mean, they just made it Schedule 3.

00:43:14.000 Okay.

00:43:14.000 So what that means is, and I mean, it's a great step in the right direction.

00:43:19.000 I'm very happy that the president did that.

00:43:21.000 It really should be regulated the same way alcohol is.

00:43:24.000 It should be for adult use, 21 and older.

00:43:27.000 It shouldn't be.

00:43:29.000 I wonder what the issue is.

00:43:29.000 Maybe.

00:43:31.000 Well, I'm sure there's a bunch of issues, right?

00:43:32.000 There's like lobbies that are trying to keep it.

00:43:35.000 Illegal.

00:43:35.000 Like, there's the alcohol lobby that doesn't want it legal because it cuts down on alcohol sales.

00:43:40.000 And I know they lobby to try to make sure those laws stay in place. 0.99

00:43:44.000 And then, unfortunately, you have prison guard unions that lobby for it, which is fucked. 0.98

00:43:50.000 They want to keep their job. 0.98

00:43:52.000 And so, the way they keep their job is to keep people locked up.

00:43:55.000 And the way they keep people locked up is to keep laws that don't make sense. 0.99

00:44:00.000 Like, fucked up. 1.00

00:44:03.000 That's an evil fucking. 1.00

00:44:06.000 It just doesn't make any sense. 1.00

00:44:07.000 If you can buy alcohol, you should be able to.

00:44:10.000 Like, I'm not saying you should drink alcohol.

00:44:12.000 You don't drink alcohol anymore.

00:44:14.000 Like I said, I took months off. 0.98

00:44:15.000 It's like you should have some self control, and I know some people don't, but get your shit together. 0.97

00:44:21.000 You should, but other people are fine with alcohol. 0.98

00:44:23.000 They go to the bar, have a drink or two, go home, go out to dinner, have a drink, go at home, have a drink while they're watching TV, and they're fine.

00:44:32.000 Yeah.

00:44:32.000 It should be a personal choice.

00:44:34.000 No adult should be able to tell you what you can and can't do and be able to lock you up in a fucking cage. 1.00

00:44:40.000 If you don't listen, that's nuts. 0.99

00:44:42.000 And in a free country, and this country is as free as it gets in this world, there's no way weed should be illegal.

00:44:49.000 It should be regulated and it should be only for people that are adults where you have to be 21 to be able to buy it.

00:44:57.000 Look, it's never stopped kids from getting alcohol.

00:44:59.000 They still get alcohol.

00:45:01.000 It's not stopping kids right now from getting weed.

00:45:03.000 They can still get weed.

00:45:04.000 But if it was legal and regulated, first of all, we'd get taxes from it, and that would be huge for every state.

00:45:10.000 You'd get a ton of tax money that you're not getting right now.

00:45:14.000 And also, you would keep people from getting locked up for their own personal choices, which is just insane.

00:45:21.000 Yeah.

00:45:22.000 I mean, not a lot of people get locked up for personal use these days.

00:45:25.000 That's pretty rare.

00:45:26.000 But there's still, there's just way too many laws.

00:45:30.000 Yeah.

00:45:31.000 I mean, it's interesting, too.

00:45:33.000 Like, if you have, like, CBD flour, like, technically that's legal.

00:45:40.000 Yes.

00:45:40.000 So, like, if you just put some of your cannabis in a CBD container, like, are there ways to, like, test that on the side of the road?

00:45:48.000 Like, if you get pulled and they search your car?

00:45:50.000 Not on the side of the road, but they could confiscate it and then test it, I think.

00:45:54.000 But there's weird things about like legalization of.

00:45:58.000 I was watching a YouTube video about what Texas's laws were.

00:46:02.000 And Texas's laws are the amount of THC by volume.

00:46:07.000 So the thing about that is if you get like gummies, like a 10 milligram gummy will pass that by volume and be legal.

00:46:19.000 So are you saying that people can take 10 milligram THC gummies and that's legal? 0.99

00:46:25.000 Because they'll fuck you up. 0.94

00:46:27.000 Like, if you don't smoke weed, a 10 milligram THC gummy will have you going, ooh. 0.99

00:46:35.000 Take two of those, and who knows what's going to happen to you.

00:46:39.000 I just watched this movie that a friend of mine was in this movie, Laney Wilson, and we watched the movie.

00:46:48.000 I don't want to spoil the movie for anybody, but it turns out that the girl, like, she went to jail because she was impaired while driving, and she was impaired by weed gummies.

00:46:58.000 And I was like, that's kind of okay.

00:47:01.000 Well, depends on.

00:47:02.000 How much you took.

00:47:04.000 Yeah, but.

00:47:05.000 If you take 200 milligrams to get behind a wheel, you're not even exactly sure what the road is.

00:47:08.000 200 milligrams is a lot, yeah.

00:47:10.000 So that's pretty impaired.

00:47:10.000 Right?

00:47:12.000 That's equivalent to like eight shots of whiskey and then getting in your truck.

00:47:16.000 Right?

00:47:16.000 You're impaired.

00:47:16.000 Yeah.

00:47:17.000 I guess you're right.

00:47:18.000 I don't think you should drive on weed. 0.99

00:47:20.000 I definitely don't think you should drive fucked up. 0.99

00:47:22.000 But it's like the same. 0.97

00:47:24.000 Like, I don't advocate drinking and driving either.

00:47:27.000 But if you have like one drink and drive, like, you're going to feel like a little.

00:47:34.000 Relaxed and lubricated, but I don't know how much you'll be.

00:47:38.000 And it also varies on who the person is.

00:47:40.000 If the person is used to drinking all the time, one drink is not going to do a damn thing to them. 1.00

00:47:45.000 But for some people, one drink will make you drive stupid. 1.00

00:47:50.000 You'll do stupid things. 1.00

00:47:51.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:47:53.000 It's all a personal responsibility thing.

00:47:55.000 That's the bottom line about all of it.

00:47:58.000 And yeah, you shouldn't be out there drinking and driving. 0.99

00:48:00.000 You shouldn't be out there eating 500 milligram edibles and fucking driving in a car. 1.00

00:48:03.000 No. 1.00

00:48:04.000 No.

00:48:05.000 I remember one time my drummer had this like.

00:48:08.000 Thc spray.

00:48:09.000 Have you ever with that?

00:48:10.000 Oh yeah, we had that back in California yeah, like breath spray.

00:48:14.000 Yeah, and I was I was still drinking at the time and me and my wife were both just hammered and we were on this uh, a ferry, like the tour bus goes on to the ferry and the ferry carries you over from uh, France to the Uk, and we were like sitting in the lounge area on the ferry a lounge area on the ferry, rather and um, he had this spray and I was like it's not doing anything, oh no, and me and my wife both kept just spraying it.

00:48:42.000 No.

00:48:43.000 And I woke up in my bed just like in a cartoon, just like completely removed from reality.

00:48:51.000 And yeah, it was a bad, bad scene.

00:48:55.000 I remember one time I took a, they had these THC breath strips that they used to sell.

00:49:00.000 And the problem with these things, and this is back in the pre legalization days of pre 2016 in California.

00:49:09.000 And so each store you would get weed at, like they would have medical stores.

00:49:14.000 So, you could go to a doctor and say, Hey, doc, I got a headache.

00:49:17.000 And they go, You need medicine.

00:49:19.000 And they would write your prescription and then you can go.

00:49:22.000 And, like, there's always reasons to have it, just like there's reasons to have Tylenol.

00:49:26.000 Do you get a headache?

00:49:27.000 Yeah, well, then you need it.

00:49:28.000 Do you have a backache?

00:49:29.000 Yeah, well, then you need it.

00:49:31.000 So you could get it pretty easy.

00:49:33.000 And they had these breath strips, and I took one and I got on a plane.

00:49:37.000 And I closed my eyes when I was lying on the plane and I was watching neon, like, cartoon characters that are made out of neon light and they were having sex. 0.76

00:49:47.000 It was an orgy of cartoon characters.

00:49:49.000 And I was just lying there with my eyes closed. 1.00

00:49:51.000 Watching these cartoon neon characters fuck. 1.00

00:49:54.000 And they were fucking in like complete blackness, like void. 1.00

00:49:59.000 So it was just the colors of their weird bodies just banging each other. 0.98

00:50:03.000 And then they would shift shapes and another one will pile on.

00:50:05.000 And they were.

00:50:06.000 I was like, this is crazy.

00:50:08.000 It was very psychedelic.

00:50:09.000 It was almost like.

00:50:10.000 But when I'd opened my eyes, the world was normal.

00:50:13.000 It wasn't like the world was wiggling.

00:50:13.000 Yeah.

00:50:15.000 And I was just sitting.

00:50:16.000 I didn't have anything to do.

00:50:17.000 I was flying all the way to New York.

00:50:19.000 It was a six hour flight.

00:50:20.000 By the time it landed, I'd sobered up.

00:50:22.000 But.

00:50:22.000 I was like, this is crazy.

00:50:24.000 Like, how much is in these fucking things? 0.99

00:50:26.000 Because they're not making them in the same labs where they're making fucking Tylenol. 0.99

00:50:29.000 Sure. 1.00

00:50:29.000 You know, I mean, it's some hippie, some dude who's like pouring weed into a machine and can't remember whether I put weed in there because he's high as fuck. 1.00

00:50:38.000 So he adds double. 0.96

00:50:39.000 They're very inconsistent.

00:50:41.000 It's like the microdoses that I used to get in Macon, Georgia.

00:50:44.000 I was like, some of these are stronger than other ones.

00:50:47.000 And he's like, yeah.

00:50:50.000 So depending on the day, my boy Hubble's like, You know, he's going to ride it for whatever it is.

00:50:57.000 Well, that's why we need legalization and regulation.

00:50:59.000 That's the beautiful thing about whiskey.

00:51:01.000 You get a glass of whiskey, you get a shot, you know exactly what that shot's going to do. 0.97

00:51:05.000 The shots of whiskey have been having the same impact on human beings for hundreds of fucking years. 0.98

00:51:10.000 You can quantify it. 0.96

00:51:11.000 Yeah, and that's how it should be with all these things. 0.98

00:51:13.000 But the problem is when they're outlawed, you know, some of them are, you know, a glass of wine, some of them are fucking moonshine. 0.95

00:51:21.000 Like, you need regulation. 0.98

00:51:24.000 And it's. 1.00

00:51:25.000 The idea that there's laws against people's personal choices is fucking stupid, man. 1.00

00:51:31.000 There's plenty of laws that are good. 1.00

00:51:33.000 Don't murder people.

00:51:34.000 Don't rob.

00:51:35.000 Don't rape.

00:51:35.000 Don't do this.

00:51:36.000 Don't do that.

00:51:36.000 That's great.

00:51:37.000 Don't vandalize.

00:51:38.000 Great.

00:51:38.000 Great laws.

00:51:39.000 Makes sense.

00:51:40.000 Better society.

00:51:41.000 Laws on personal choices, especially things that you might enjoy, like having a joint with your wife after dinner and just sitting there and watching Netflix together. 1.00

00:51:52.000 The fucking armed thugs can burst into your house and take the joint away from you. 0.99

00:51:57.000 Who are we protecting? 1.00

00:51:58.000 Who are we serving?

00:52:00.000 Who are we protecting and serving with that? 1.00

00:52:01.000 That's dumb. 0.99

00:52:03.000 It's just bad for society. 1.00

00:52:06.000 And it creates this business.

00:52:08.000 Once a business is established, the business of enforcement, once that business is established, that business doesn't want to go away because now you have a bunch of people whose jobs depend on enforcing laws and enforcing these things that don't make any sense.

00:52:21.000 And they want to protect that because that's their livelihood.

00:52:24.000 So now you've got a quagmire. 0.99

00:52:25.000 Now you're in a fucking terrible situation. 0.98

00:52:27.000 There's no easy way out other than ripping the bandaid off and making it legal. 0.99

00:52:31.000 You're also propping up the cartels.

00:52:34.000 That's the other problem with it being completely illegal in this country, federally.

00:52:39.000 It's like, well, guess what?

00:52:41.000 There's still a demand for it.

00:52:42.000 So, legal companies that actually employ people and give the employees health care and have rules and regulations, now they're not making it.

00:52:52.000 So, they're not growing it. 0.88

00:52:53.000 So, instead, you have fucking cartels that are growing it in California on public land because if you get caught, it's just a misdemeanor because it's legal in California. 0.96

00:53:03.000 So, literally, I think it's more than 80% of all the weed that's sold in the United States that's illegal is grown in California on public lands by the cartel. 0.99

00:53:16.000 And they use toxic pesticides and herbicides. 0.99

00:53:19.000 They use all kinds of shit that you're not allowed to use in normal farming. 1.00

00:53:24.000 And, you know, the only reason why it exists is because we've made these stupid fucking laws. 1.00

00:53:30.000 So now that it's Schedule 3, it's in the same category as like Tylenol with codeine, which is not bad. 1.00

00:53:38.000 It's certainly better than Schedule 1, which is ridiculous.

00:53:42.000 So now, hopefully, once they do more testing and more studies, they can get to a point where federally.

00:53:50.000 It's legal and regulated.

00:53:52.000 That would be the best case for everybody.

00:53:54.000 Just in the same category as alcohol, get all that tax money from it, and then don't make criminals out of American citizens that just want to make personal choices.

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00:55:03.000 When did it get scheduled as Schedule One? 0.92

00:55:07.000 Well, the whole Schedule One thing, this is what I talked about when I went to the White House recently, which is a hilarious thing to say for a retard like me.

00:55:19.000 That I helped get things scheduled.

00:55:21.000 I mean, when it all goes down in the history books, they attach my name to this, it's going to be really confusing. 0.99

00:55:27.000 They're going to be like, fucking that guy? 0.99

00:55:29.000 What? 1.00

00:55:30.000 How? 0.99

00:55:30.000 What the fuck happened? 0.99

00:55:32.000 So when. 0.99

00:55:33.000 In 1970, the Richard Nixon administration passed the Controlled Substances Act, and it made DMT, psilocybin, LSD, all these different things, it made them Schedule I.

00:55:49.000 So the idea is that there was no benefit, including Ibogaine, which is crazy, which means it has no medical benefit and harmful and addictive, all these different qualities that they attached to it.

00:56:03.000 But the only reason they did that was to target the civil rights movement.

00:56:06.000 The civil rights movement and the anti war movement.

00:56:08.000 That's what they were doing.

00:56:09.000 They didn't like the fact that these people were causing trouble and then they were organizing marches and doing all these different things that were disrupting the government.

00:56:18.000 And there was also this movement where people were like, why are we living the way we're living?

00:56:23.000 Like, this was the 60s.

00:56:24.000 Like, why are we doing what we're doing?

00:56:25.000 Like, well, I don't want to be like my parents.

00:56:27.000 They're not happy.

00:56:28.000 You know, I want to live a life that's like freer.

00:56:31.000 I want to be filled with love and joy and I want to, you know, have a good time and follow the Grateful Dead around.

00:56:35.000 Like, so.

00:56:37.000 A lot of people in government were very concerned with this new movement.

00:56:41.000 And if you go and, like, music is a great example. 0.98

00:56:45.000 Like, if you look at the music of the 1950s and then you look at the music of the 1960s, like, what the fuck happened?

00:56:52.000 Like, if you look at the music of 2016 and the music of 2026, not much difference. 0.69

00:56:58.000 Right.

00:56:59.000 It's all great.

00:56:59.000 Right?

00:57:00.000 It's all, but it's like, it's not, there's not some revolutionary, crazy new change.

00:57:05.000 But you saw that from 1959 to 1969, there is a radical difference.

00:57:11.000 a radical difference.

00:57:12.000 1950, you got like you go from Buddy Holly to Jimi Hendrix. 0.99

00:57:18.000 You're like, okay, what the fuck happened? 0.99

00:57:20.000 Something crazy must have happened. 0.99

00:57:22.000 And it's drugs.

00:57:23.000 It's psychedelic drugs.

00:57:24.000 It's like the stoned ape theory in our modern society.

00:57:28.000 Exactly.

00:57:29.000 People see it.

00:57:30.000 And this terrified the administration.

00:57:30.000 Exactly.

00:57:33.000 And they were really worried that they were going to completely lose control of the country.

00:57:38.000 And so they passed this Controlled Substances Act. 0.98

00:57:44.000 That happened in 1970, and from that time on, we've been fucked. 1.00

00:57:50.000 For 56 fucking years, we've been under the grip of this stupid fucking law that was passed by the Nixon administration. 1.00

00:57:57.000 It didn't make any sense. 1.00

00:57:59.000 Some of the drugs that they added to aren't even psychoactive, they just threw a bunch of stuff in there and they missed a bunch of potent ones.

00:58:07.000 They missed 5 methoxy DMT, they missed 5 MEO DMT, which is one of the most potent psychedelics, if not the most potent psychedelic.

00:58:15.000 You used to be able to buy that online.

00:58:17.000 Oh, wow. 0.99

00:58:18.000 Dude, there was a company that you could order from, and they would send you a fucking jug of it as big as this. 0.98

00:58:25.000 Now, the amount that gets you blasted into the center of the universe and introduces you to God is like the size that goes on your pinky. 0.99

00:58:34.000 Yeah.

00:58:34.000 Like your pinky nail, like that amount.

00:58:36.000 You smoke that, you'll see God.

00:58:38.000 Wow. 1.00

00:58:39.000 And you could just buy a fucking jar of it online. 0.99

00:58:43.000 There was a company called the American Chemical Company. 0.99

00:58:47.000 American Chemical Company or American Chemical Corporation.

00:58:50.000 And you used to be able to just buy.

00:58:52.000 Buy 5-methoxy DMT and they would just send it to you like a jar of vitamins.

00:58:56.000 Wow.

00:58:58.000 And then you could go to head shops and buy salvia.

00:59:01.000 Oh, yeah. 0.93

00:59:02.000 So, salvia is a fucking insanely potent psychedelic, which, by the way, is also sage. 0.96

00:59:10.000 Like, sage is the same family, the same genus as salvia. 0.98

00:59:15.000 So, think about it: sage, meaning wise, like an old sage.

00:59:20.000 And meanwhile, that is.

00:59:22.000 One of the most potent psychedelics in the world.

00:59:24.000 And so kids were going to head shops and buying salvia.

00:59:28.000 I don't know if they've made that illegal now.

00:59:30.000 They probably have, right?

00:59:31.000 Is salvia illegal now?

00:59:39.000 So, Ari Shafir on Brian Redband's podcast.

00:59:43.000 Do you know the story?

00:59:43.000 No.

00:59:44.000 Okay.

00:59:45.000 Ari Shafir went on Brian Redband's podcast and took a giant hit of salvia and went under for like 10 minutes.

00:59:52.000 And when he came back, he said that he had lived six months under the water with an entire different community of human beings under the water, had relationships, had a job, like had a six month experience, and then came back in that 10 minutes.

01:00:12.000 And he was so confused.

01:00:13.000 He was so baffled.

01:00:15.000 He's like, I had a life under there.

01:00:16.000 I had a girlfriend.

01:00:18.000 I had friends.

01:00:19.000 He goes, I had all these experiences. 1.00

01:00:21.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

01:00:22.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:00:23.000 Ari's crazy, man. 1.00

01:00:24.000 He's crazy. 0.98

01:00:25.000 He's fun. 0.83

01:00:26.000 He came out to my show in New York.

01:00:28.000 He's the man.

01:00:29.000 He is the man. 0.99

01:00:31.000 But, I mean, that's how potent this fucking salvia stuff is. 0.99

01:00:36.000 By the way, a lady had a very similar experience recently who went into a coma. 0.99

01:00:42.000 So she was in a coma for an extended period of time.

01:00:45.000 I want to say it was like.

01:00:47.000 A few months.

01:00:48.000 And when she came out, she had a whole life that she said she had triplets and she had, like, she was married, all these different things.

01:00:58.000 Here's a story.

01:01:00.000 She asked for her triplets after waking up from a coma.

01:01:02.000 Doctors say they never existed. 0.86

01:01:04.000 When she woke from a coma, first thing she did was ask for her three daughters.

01:01:08.000 Medical staff was stunned.

01:01:10.000 The response shattered her entire world.

01:01:12.000 Just like that, the children she had nursed, watched grow, and deeply cared for over seven years were gone.

01:01:18.000 So.

01:01:20.000 She was placed in a medically induced coma for three weeks, and what followed was a dream of a lifetime, quite literally.

01:01:26.000 She was obviously not aware that she was in a coma.

01:01:28.000 Instead, she slipped into a dream, and a lifetime unfolded before her eyes.

01:01:33.000 Talking to the outlet, the teen recalled having extremely intense dreams and nightmares.

01:01:37.000 She was not aware that she was in a coma at the time, so those dreams became her reality.

01:01:42.000 So she became a mother.

01:01:44.000 She said it felt so real.

01:01:45.000 She felt the physical and emotional pain throughout the hallucination.

01:01:49.000 I could feel so many things.

01:01:50.000 When I dreamed about giving birth, I felt the stress.

01:01:53.000 I also felt a lot of pain in this dream.

01:01:55.000 I gave birth to triplets, who I named Mila, Miles, and Miley.

01:02:00.000 Miley died shortly after birth.

01:02:02.000 I felt so awful, overwhelmed with sadness and guilt, she recalled.

01:02:06.000 She remembers the first skin to skin contact that she had with her babies.

01:02:10.000 It was incredible.

01:02:11.000 I felt an overwhelming wave of love, she added.

01:02:15.000 In her dream, she lived for seven years and watched her daughters grow up.

01:02:19.000 Each had their own personalities.

01:02:20.000 One was quite shy.

01:02:21.000 The other was a bundle of energy.

01:02:23.000 I remember walks, meals we shared, and bedtime stories.

01:02:27.000 She loved them with all her heart.

01:02:30.000 And then she woke up from the coma and was told that her children never existed.

01:02:34.000 That's when they told me they didn't exist.

01:02:35.000 I was in shock.

01:02:36.000 I was so convinced that it was real that the time I saw my parents again, I told them they were grandparents.

01:02:43.000 Whoa.

01:02:45.000 It makes you wonder what is reality?

01:02:50.000 What is this thing that we're currently experiencing?

01:02:53.000 And we're currently experiencing this thing, but what.

01:02:57.000 What is this?

01:02:59.000 Is this everything?

01:03:00.000 Is this the whole thing?

01:03:01.000 Or is this like one channel on an infinite radio?

01:03:06.000 And just while we're on that channel, we think this is the radio.

01:03:09.000 Right.

01:03:10.000 Well, maybe when you go to sleep, maybe that's just as real as being awake.

01:03:17.000 It's a heavy thought.

01:03:20.000 But the idea that you just shut off every night is bananas.

01:03:23.000 Yeah.

01:03:24.000 We look forward to it.

01:03:25.000 Oh, can't wait to just go away.

01:03:27.000 Go away from you. 0.94

01:03:29.000 Can't wait to not exist. 0.79

01:03:30.000 And if you don't, like, if I don't get enough sleep, I'm like, whatever happens during the dream time, the sleep time, the recovery, I feel it.

01:03:42.000 My waking life, like, I haven't done what I'm supposed to do by sleeping for an extended period of time.

01:03:49.000 So this reality is compromised. 0.96

01:03:52.000 This reality, I'm dumber. 1.00

01:03:53.000 My memory sucks. 0.99

01:03:54.000 I'm more tired. 0.99

01:03:55.000 I don't have any energy.

01:03:56.000 I can't wait to go to sleep.

01:03:58.000 Can't wait to shut off so I could pay back the void, pay back the void, the time I owe.

01:04:03.000 Into the dreamland of bizarre dreams.

01:04:07.000 Yeah.

01:04:09.000 And just the symbolism of dreams, too.

01:04:11.000 I've been having a lot of crazy dreams lately.

01:04:13.000 Like what?

01:04:14.000 I dream about snakes a lot, which is a good sign.

01:04:18.000 Yeah, dreaming about snakes evidently just represents like shedding your skin, going into something new, you know, growing.

01:04:18.000 Is it?

01:04:27.000 Or you're surrounded by people who want to get you.

01:04:29.000 Or maybe that.

01:04:31.000 Yeah.

01:04:31.000 Which both can be true.

01:04:35.000 You know the music business.

01:04:38.000 Yeah.

01:04:39.000 A lot of snakes.

01:04:41.000 Isn't it every business, though?

01:04:43.000 Yeah, I mean, just the idea, like the business side is just so in contrast to like the artistic sensibility.

01:04:53.000 You know, an artist is supposed to be, not supposed to be, but just like psychological.

01:04:59.000 Our makeup is more just like open and just more just like giving and wanting to share your craft with somebody and more emotional, you know?

01:05:07.000 Yeah.

01:05:08.000 And then having to be like a shark and having to think like these snakes.

01:05:15.000 Contracts.

01:05:16.000 Yeah.

01:05:19.000 Sign the darted line, Marcus.

01:05:23.000 You're going to make so much money, Marcus.

01:05:29.000 It's only seven years.

01:05:30.000 It's just seven years.

01:05:31.000 With an extension, with options.

01:05:34.000 With options.

01:05:34.000 How's it going to sound?

01:05:35.000 You'll be free.

01:05:37.000 Don't worry about these songwrites.

01:05:39.000 Yeah.

01:05:39.000 You'll have other songs in the future.

01:05:41.000 Right.

01:05:42.000 That would be even better. 0.99

01:05:43.000 Fucking A. Bet on yourself, Marcus. 0.99

01:05:47.000 Take the money.

01:05:47.000 Don't you want a big house?

01:05:50.000 Don't you want a fancy car?

01:05:53.000 You need a Rolex.

01:05:55.000 Have you ever seen Late Night with the Devil?

01:05:59.000 Yes.

01:06:00.000 Yeah, that's the talk show? 0.99

01:06:00.000 That was fucking good. 0.99

01:06:02.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:06:02.000 Yeah, that is great, man. 0.99

01:06:04.000 Who made that?

01:06:06.000 That's a good question.

01:06:08.000 That's a really good movie.

01:06:09.000 We watched it on the bus one night.

01:06:11.000 I was like, whoa.

01:06:12.000 That was like 2019 or something.

01:06:14.000 It was heavy.

01:06:16.000 Yeah, this was 2024.

01:06:18.000 Oh, it's an Australian movie.

01:06:24.000 Jack Delroy, the host of a failing late night show, decides to film a Halloween special.

01:06:30.000 However, the broadcast takes a dark turn, unleashing evil into the nation's living rooms.

01:06:35.000 Yeah, it's a dope movie.

01:06:36.000 It's really fun.

01:06:37.000 It was good. 0.99

01:06:37.000 It's fucking scary as shit, too. 0.99

01:06:39.000 Yeah, it was good. 1.00

01:06:39.000 It was scary. 1.00

01:06:41.000 Bro, you know what's fucking scary as shit and really good that I just found out about from my daughter? 0.99

01:06:47.000 There's a new show called, well, it's not even new. 0.99

01:06:50.000 It's like four seasons.

01:06:51.000 It's called From.

01:06:54.000 From?

01:06:55.000 Yeah.

01:06:55.000 What's it on?

01:06:56.000 Is it on like.

01:06:57.000 It's on Apple TV.

01:06:58.000 I don't know if it's an Apple show, but it's on Apple TV.

01:07:03.000 It's with the dude from Lost.

01:07:05.000 One of the dads from Lost.

01:07:06.000 Harold Parano.

01:07:08.000 Lost is also from Lost.

01:07:11.000 He's been in a lot of things.

01:07:12.000 He's great. 0.99

01:07:13.000 And the show is fucking terrifying. 0.97

01:07:18.000 It's very original and very weird. 0.98

01:07:22.000 So it came out in 2022.

01:07:24.000 Interesting.

01:07:24.000 First season premiered on Epics.

01:07:27.000 Oh, okay.

01:07:28.000 What's it on now?

01:07:30.000 Is it just on Apple TV?

01:07:35.000 Release Epics, MGM.

01:07:37.000 Yeah.

01:07:40.000 So it says in 2018, YouTube Red.

01:07:43.000 Remember we were talking about YouTube Red?

01:07:45.000 Canada and Iliot's on Paramount, India's on Amazon Prime.

01:07:49.000 I was on all over the place.

01:07:51.000 Huh.

01:07:52.000 Where MGM is.

01:07:53.000 So it appeared on Epics.

01:07:55.000 I don't even know what MGM is.

01:07:58.000 Maybe that's just the company, that's the production company.

01:08:01.000 So in 2026, they renewed the series for a fifth and final season. 0.98

01:08:07.000 It's fucking good, man. 0.95

01:08:08.000 It's good and it's really scary. 1.00

01:08:11.000 It's really scary and fucking creepy and horrific. 0.96

01:08:15.000 It's about these people that are stuck in this town that doesn't make any sense. 0.99

01:08:23.000 Like the town doesn't make any sense.

01:08:25.000 And you can't get out of the town.

01:08:27.000 And at nighttime, people come out of the woods, but they're not people.

01:08:33.000 And they're like these monsters.

01:08:34.000 And if you let them into your house, you can't let them into your house. 0.99

01:08:37.000 But if you let them into your house, they'll butcher you and tear you apart.

01:08:40.000 And people, they try to trick you into letting them into your house.

01:08:45.000 Like, I'm not doing it justice. 1.00

01:08:48.000 It sounds stupid. 0.99

01:08:49.000 But here's the pitch. 1.00

01:08:52.000 But it's really scary, man.

01:08:55.000 It's really scary and really creepy to the point where I'm watching, I get anxiety. 0.99

01:08:59.000 And I don't like watching shit like that before I go to bed. 0.97

01:09:01.000 Because then I get weird dreams and I start getting. 0.99

01:09:04.000 Because it's like children are in trouble in it. 0.94

01:09:06.000 I'm a father, and when I see children in trouble, I fucking freak out. 0.98

01:09:11.000 You know, there's part of you, like the sheepdog in you, just like. 0.99

01:09:14.000 Right.

01:09:15.000 So it's a good show, though.

01:09:16.000 My wife gets on to me.

01:09:17.000 I like it, it's like Forensic Files.

01:09:20.000 It puts me out.

01:09:22.000 I love it.

01:09:23.000 You like that before you go to bed?

01:09:25.000 I don't know why.

01:09:25.000 That's crazy.

01:09:26.000 That's my comfort.

01:09:28.000 How people murdered people.

01:09:29.000 Yeah.

01:09:30.000 I remember that show on HBO, The Autopsy Show.

01:09:33.000 That was like one of the first ones.

01:09:35.000 Do you know that show?

01:09:35.000 Okay.

01:09:36.000 The autopsy one.

01:09:37.000 It was this guy, Dr. Michael Badden.

01:09:40.000 And what he was was a forensic scientist that would catch people that had murdered people and got away with it.

01:09:46.000 They would exhume bodies and find things.

01:09:48.000 And it was all these different cases of where someone had gotten away with murder, but then they discovered how they did it.

01:09:57.000 It was very, very interesting.

01:09:59.000 Wow. 0.99

01:09:59.000 Because people are fucking weird, man. 0.99

01:10:02.000 Like, you know, a lot of wives poisoning their husbands, like multiple husbands died of similar ways. 1.00

01:10:09.000 Yep. 1.00

01:10:10.000 Nurses that poison the people under their care. 1.00

01:10:14.000 There's some fucked up people out there. 1.00

01:10:16.000 There's some fucked up people out there, man. 1.00

01:10:19.000 And the crazy thing is, they get away with it. 1.00

01:10:22.000 That's the crazy thing is, for every one that Michael Batten catches, how many of them get away with it?

01:10:28.000 Yep.

01:10:29.000 Like, what percentages of murders in America go unsolved?

01:10:33.000 Let's put this into perplexity.

01:10:37.000 Our AI sponsor and find out what the D. What do you think it is?

01:10:40.000 What percentage of.

01:10:42.000 Murders go unsolved in America?

01:10:44.000 Oh, that's a good question. 0.74

01:10:46.000 I mean, yes.

01:10:49.000 50, 60%?

01:10:50.000 Whoa.

01:10:51.000 But I don't know how you would quantify it.

01:10:53.000 I guess you'd find out.

01:10:55.000 Well, someone gets murdered and they don't catch anybody.

01:10:58.000 Oh, right, right.

01:10:59.000 Okay.

01:10:59.000 Yeah.

01:11:01.000 Yeah, it's half.

01:11:03.000 Wow.

01:11:04.000 So you're saying there's a chance?

01:11:07.000 So you're saying there's a chance.

01:11:09.000 Approximately 40 to 50% of murders in the United States go unsolved.

01:11:13.000 Means that roughly half of all homicide cases do not result in arrest or resolution.

01:11:18.000 So, I was talking to somebody, and someone who lives in their community got arrested because the wife went missing, and they got the wife's DNA from this guy's chainsaw.

01:11:35.000 They have no body, they have no evidence other than there's some DNA on his chainsaw. 0.97

01:11:43.000 And, you know, he's playing stupid, so he's in jail now. 0.98

01:11:46.000 But everybody that knows him and, like, Like these friends of mine, they know the family. 0.99

01:11:52.000 They knew him.

01:11:53.000 They knew her. 1.00

01:11:54.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

01:11:55.000 And he's just in jail, and they don't know if they have enough evidence to convict him. 1.00

01:12:01.000 And so he's been in jail for a while now, and they're trying to gather enough evidence for trial, but all they have is like DNA.

01:12:07.000 I don't even know what that means.

01:12:09.000 Like, how much DNA?

01:12:10.000 Like, did he clean the chainsaw and not do a good job?

01:12:13.000 I don't know what that means.

01:12:14.000 But was she like out, like trimming edges?

01:12:19.000 Who knows?

01:12:19.000 That's the thing.

01:12:20.000 It's like you could.

01:12:22.000 Use a chainsaw and accidentally scratch yourself.

01:12:25.000 Like, you don't even have to cut yourself.

01:12:26.000 It doesn't even have to be on.

01:12:28.000 Like, if you're moving, if you're, you know, taking a chain. 1.00

01:12:31.000 I don't know why the wife would be taking a chainsaw out into the. 1.00

01:12:35.000 I mean, some women are capable and they do it, but. 1.00

01:12:37.000 My wife, you know, she would. 1.00

01:12:39.000 Accidentally scraped your arm with this chainsaw and they went over every blade with a swab. 1.00

01:12:47.000 Right.

01:12:47.000 They probably could find your DNA and go, oh my God, you did it.

01:12:50.000 Yep.

01:12:51.000 I don't know.

01:12:52.000 I don't know what happened, but.

01:12:54.000 Apparently, these people that I know believe that the husband chopped this lady up.

01:12:59.000 Oh, really?

01:13:00.000 Yeah, they think he did it.

01:13:01.000 They're fighting a lot.

01:13:03.000 I remember when I was a kid, my sister used to, and like Shane's actually got a really funny bit about how diabolical older sisters are.

01:13:14.000 And just, my sister used to say, I hope you go to jail for something you didn't do.

01:13:18.000 Whoa.

01:13:19.000 I hope you get wrongfully convicted for something and you're in jail forever.

01:13:22.000 Jeez, that's so frightening.

01:13:23.000 That's a terrible thing to say to somebody.

01:13:25.000 What did you do to her to make her say that to you? 0.99

01:13:28.000 Who fucking knows? 1.00

01:13:29.000 That's so dark. 1.00

01:13:33.000 I hope you go to jail for something you didn't do, it's so evil.

01:13:37.000 We're very close now.

01:13:37.000 Wow.

01:13:39.000 Are you?

01:13:39.000 Oh, yeah.

01:13:40.000 Well, she's a kid.

01:13:41.000 How old was she when she said that?

01:13:44.000 She's two years older than me, so she must have been like nine or 10.

01:13:47.000 Oh.

01:13:48.000 People say things.

01:13:49.000 Kid stuff.

01:13:50.000 They're nine or 10.

01:13:51.000 They're just being kids.

01:13:53.000 Yep. 0.97

01:13:53.000 That's a diabolical mind, though. 0.97

01:13:55.000 Like, that's how you want someone to suffer.

01:13:56.000 You want someone to emotionally suffer for something they didn't do forever.

01:14:01.000 Her and a neighbor boy, it was a vacant house across from mine, and they, like, locked me in the back fence.

01:14:07.000 My sister was like, this is where you live now.

01:14:10.000 Whoa.

01:14:11.000 They were like, unless you break that window.

01:14:13.000 And I was like, I don't want to break the window.

01:14:15.000 And, like, sure enough, like, they said, well, we're not letting you out of this gate.

01:14:19.000 And, like, I probably could have waited it out, but I was, like, five or six.

01:14:22.000 So I just said, all right.

01:14:24.000 So I took a brick to the window, and they're like, well, we're going to go tell on you now.

01:14:29.000 Wow. 1.00

01:14:30.000 Really fucked up. 1.00

01:14:31.000 What the fuck does she do now? 1.00

01:14:33.000 My sister's actually, she's a badass man. 1.00

01:14:36.000 She drives for the Department of Transportation.

01:14:37.000 She's got her CDL.

01:14:41.000 She's awesome. 0.99

01:14:43.000 Sounds like she has some devious thoughts in her mind.

01:14:46.000 She's, yeah. 1.00

01:14:47.000 Sounds like she should write books.

01:14:49.000 I know. 0.62

01:14:49.000 She's so smart. 0.62

01:14:50.000 That sounds very creative.

01:14:52.000 Yeah.

01:14:52.000 You know, like she's manipulating a five year old into breaking a window so she could tell on them.

01:14:57.000 But as a seven year old, yeah.

01:14:59.000 No, she's awesome. 1.00

01:15:01.000 But, uh,.

01:15:03.000 Actually, I had a good friend I told that story to, and she loved it so much.

01:15:06.000 She got me a welcome mat from my house that said, This is where you live now. 0.99

01:15:15.000 That's fucked up, man. 0.99

01:15:16.000 Where did she learn that kind of behavior? 1.00

01:15:19.000 Probably my mom. 1.00

01:15:20.000 Oh, was your mom like that? 0.67

01:15:21.000 My mom was pretty wild, yeah.

01:15:24.000 Yeah? 0.86

01:15:27.000 Yeah.

01:15:28.000 I had an interesting upbringing.

01:15:30.000 Most artists do.

01:15:34.000 Especially most interesting artists.

01:15:36.000 I don't know a lot of interesting artists that say, like, my childhood was perfect.

01:15:41.000 It was amazing.

01:15:42.000 There was so much love, and everybody was really supportive and understanding.

01:15:45.000 We talked a lot about stuff.

01:15:47.000 Yep.

01:15:47.000 Spoke about our feelings, mostly.

01:15:49.000 We were on the dinner table.

01:15:49.000 Yeah.

01:15:50.000 There's always some sort of element of psychological torture involved.

01:15:56.000 Or some kind of abandonment or some kind of.

01:15:59.000 Sometimes.

01:16:00.000 Titchy uncle, whatever it is.

01:16:01.000 Yep, something ignoring you.

01:16:04.000 Yeah.

01:16:05.000 Just not making you a priority, making you not feel special or making you feel like you're a burden.

01:16:11.000 Something that causes you to want exorbitant amounts of attention from strangers.

01:16:16.000 Sure.

01:16:17.000 Yeah.

01:16:18.000 But look, that's where the great stuff comes from, which is really wild.

01:16:24.000 Like, there's this concept that you cannot have good without evil.

01:16:28.000 And I think there's something to that.

01:16:31.000 I think it's just part of the human condition for whatever reason. 1.00

01:16:37.000 You don't appreciate good unless you experience bad, which is why rich kids are fucked. 0.98

01:16:44.000 You grow up rich with everything you've ever wanted, there's no struggle. 0.97

01:16:47.000 It's so difficult for those people to ever be exceptional because they don't have the motivation, they don't have that.

01:16:53.000 They haven't experienced the bad.

01:16:55.000 Not in that way.

01:16:57.000 Like, I remember I went on a hunting trip with my friend Steve Vernella and Brian Callan.

01:17:03.000 We went to Alaska and it rained every day.

01:17:06.000 It rained for like six days and we were soaking wet.

01:17:09.000 And we came back to LA and it was sunny.

01:17:14.000 And I was driving my car and I had to call my friend Steve and I said, dude, I have never been happier.

01:17:19.000 The sun hits my face.

01:17:21.000 I'm so appreciative.

01:17:23.000 I'm so happy.

01:17:24.000 And I've never felt like this.

01:17:25.000 Like, it's always like this in LA.

01:17:27.000 But it never meant anything to me.

01:17:29.000 It was just, yep, another day in LA, gotta go to work.

01:17:32.000 But this one day, I was like just filled with gratitude and I was so happy.

01:17:39.000 The sun on my face felt so good and warm.

01:17:43.000 And I realized, oh, you have to suffer in order to really appreciate the good.

01:17:48.000 Like, if it's just all good, you're not gonna appreciate it.

01:17:52.000 You don't need evil people so that you really appreciate the people that are beautiful and that you love.

01:17:59.000 Right. 0.98

01:18:00.000 You need people that suck so you appreciate people that are kind. 0.99

01:18:03.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:18:04.000 You know, you need people that are mean so you appreciate the ones that are nice.

01:18:08.000 Yeah.

01:18:08.000 Just people that are on the level.

01:18:10.000 Just people that are like no agenda.

01:18:13.000 Yeah.

01:18:14.000 Just kind people.

01:18:16.000 And it is that duality that kind of gives you perspective.

01:18:19.000 That's what I meditate on every day perspective.

01:18:22.000 That's why I wonder about the music business and then even the comedy business.

01:18:27.000 I think kind of any business.

01:18:28.000 I'm sure it's the same with the music, rather, movie making business as well. 0.99

01:18:33.000 It's like, You almost need these rotten vampire cunts that are, you know what I mean? 0.80

01:18:38.000 It's like, so you're a punk band, but so that, like, when you see fellow musicians that you love, like, you give them a hug, like, you embrace each other, like, oh, we're cool, like, you know what I mean? 0.99

01:18:51.000 It's like, we're together now, it's all right, we're okay, it's trauma bonding, yeah, we're away from the cunts, yeah, we're away from the vampire cunts.

01:18:58.000 It's like my boy Charlie Crockett, who you know, um, Charlie always says, like, you can do what they do, but they can't do what you do. 0.90

01:19:07.000 Charlie's great. 1.00

01:19:08.000 He's a fucking man. 1.00

01:19:09.000 He's an interesting dude, too. 1.00

01:19:11.000 Very interesting dude.

01:19:12.000 Very interesting life.

01:19:14.000 Like the life that that guy had and playing street music for so long and finally getting discovered.

01:19:21.000 Very, like, again, but that's how you get a person like that.

01:19:24.000 When you talked about his childhood, how fucked up it was and crazy, he was basically just on his own from the time he was a teenager, just running around, just singing songs. 0.81

01:19:36.000 Yep. 0.97

01:19:37.000 You know, like, that's how you get a person like that.

01:19:42.000 Yeah, you can't create a Charlie Crockett in a lab.

01:19:44.000 No, or a jelly roll.

01:19:46.000 You don't create those in a lab. 0.96

01:19:47.000 They got to go to jail first.

01:19:49.000 You know what I mean?

01:19:52.000 But it's like, I mean, Jelly's like one of the most beautiful people I've ever met in my life.

01:19:57.000 He's one of the nicest, sweetest, kindest, warm, affectionate people.

01:20:02.000 He hugs everybody, tells everybody he loves them, and he means it.

01:20:06.000 And because he's been through hell, you know?

01:20:09.000 And that's how you make a person like that.

01:20:12.000 Jelly's in like a constant state of like, Like when you run into somebody after they've had an ayahuasca experience.

01:20:19.000 Mm hmm.

01:20:20.000 Yeah.

01:20:21.000 He has this constant, like, gratitude.

01:20:24.000 Yes.

01:20:25.000 That I feel like kind of fades even with people who have, like, ayahuasca journeys or experiences.

01:20:31.000 You know?

01:20:31.000 Yeah.

01:20:32.000 He's just, I don't know.

01:20:34.000 There's something really pure to that.

01:20:37.000 Yeah, he's maintained it.

01:20:38.000 And especially now that he's on this, like, health journey.

01:20:41.000 I think that sometimes the momentum of life takes over and you kind of forget.

01:20:48.000 Those beautiful moments.

01:20:49.000 You're grounded in these moments where you realize, like, God, I'm so lucky to have a beautiful family that I love and friends that I love and be able to do what I do for a living.

01:20:58.000 God, I'm so lucky. 0.95

01:21:00.000 And that feeling, like, sometimes it goes away because you're dealing with this and that and contracts and fucking then the New York Times wrote a hit piece on you. 1.00

01:21:08.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

01:21:09.000 And you forget. 1.00

01:21:11.000 You lose your perspective. 0.95

01:21:13.000 But I almost feel like you need all those other shitty elements.

01:21:18.000 To just reinforce the good elements, that there's this constant sort of mechanism that's going on where there's this constant process of pros and cons, of negatives and positives, and they're duking it out to see who rises.

01:21:34.000 And the more the negative comes at you, the more it has this creative desire inside of you to excel with your music or your art or whatever it is that you do, to just push past it.

01:21:47.000 I mean, think about some of the great songs that people have written just about.

01:21:52.000 The struggles that they've gone through, just even in the music business, you know?

01:21:56.000 Yeah.

01:21:57.000 Like Leonard Skinner working for MCA. 0.93

01:21:59.000 You know, there's a lot of those songs like that where it's just like people just want to tell you what the fuck they've been through. 0.99

01:22:06.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:22:08.000 La Chique Freak Out. 1.00

01:22:11.000 What's that about? 1.00

01:22:13.000 They weren't allowed to get into Studio 54, they wouldn't let them in. 0.99

01:22:17.000 And the song was originally written as Fuck You, you know? 1.00

01:22:21.000 Da Fuck you. 1.00

01:22:25.000 Oh, really? 1.00

01:22:25.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:22:26.000 They went and said, Freak out?

01:22:27.000 Yeah.

01:22:29.000 And that ended up being a major hit.

01:22:31.000 That was because they couldn't get into a club?

01:22:33.000 Yeah.

01:22:33.000 That's pretty crazy.

01:22:34.000 Pretty crazy.

01:22:35.000 Yeah.

01:22:36.000 Yep.

01:22:38.000 But it is just about threading that needle of like wanting more for yourself, but for the right reasons.

01:22:46.000 And that's something that I think about every day.

01:22:47.000 It's just like having a virtuous reason to want more, you know?

01:22:53.000 Not just for the sake of having it or for hoarding wealth or anything like that.

01:22:56.000 It's like.

01:22:58.000 I want to work to where I can get to a place where, you know, my wife and I can have our own bus and raise kids on the road, you know.

01:23:06.000 But you can't do that unless you have a certain profit margin on the road, you know.

01:23:10.000 So, I'm always kind of trying to think of like virtuous causes to want more.

01:23:15.000 Because in reality, you know, I should be grateful for everything that I do have.

01:23:19.000 But also speaking to that, you know, and trying to meditate on the things that I'm grateful for every day.

01:23:27.000 That's a good perspective.

01:23:28.000 I think people get trapped in working towards a result instead of thinking about the process.

01:23:37.000 Right.

01:23:37.000 I try to be process oriented.

01:23:39.000 I try to like think about whatever I'm doing, just try to be better at it and do a better job at it.

01:23:45.000 And I think the other stuff sort of takes care of itself.

01:23:49.000 If you have the right people.

01:23:49.000 Yeah.

01:23:51.000 And that's where the evil cunt vampires come in. 1.00

01:23:54.000 Because they'll steal all that goodwill. 1.00

01:23:54.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:23:57.000 Like, if you leave the door open, like on that TV show, on From, you let them in.

01:24:03.000 Yep. 0.99

01:24:03.000 They'll fucking tear you apart. 0.99

01:24:05.000 They'll tear you up. 1.00

01:24:06.000 Yeah.

01:24:07.000 Just.

01:24:08.000 And it's hard because you don't want to become jaded.

01:24:11.000 Right.

01:24:11.000 You don't want to become like.

01:24:14.000 I feel like I meet a lot of people out there who.

01:24:17.000 Like, they're open and they're kind, but they're not interested in making any new friends.

01:24:21.000 It's like they have their circle.

01:24:21.000 Right.

01:24:21.000 You know?

01:24:23.000 And on one hand, I kind of understand that.

01:24:25.000 I get that, you know?

01:24:27.000 But it's hard.

01:24:30.000 You know, you got to maintain a certain level of perspective not to become like angry.

01:24:36.000 Yeah.

01:24:38.000 Yeah, it's hard.

01:24:39.000 And it's hard to know who you can let into your circle, too.

01:24:42.000 Like, you got to give people a stress test.

01:24:45.000 You know what I mean?

01:24:46.000 Yep.

01:24:47.000 It's almost like you have to give them a baggie and then have a fake cop. 0.92

01:24:53.000 Grandma.

01:24:54.000 And say, Where'd you get it?

01:24:55.000 Marcus King gave it to me. 1.00

01:24:57.000 Oh, gotcha, bitch. 1.00

01:25:00.000 I ran into this guy recently. 1.00

01:25:02.000 And basically, what happened was I was on Jam Cruise years ago. 0.98

01:25:09.000 And I was super fucked up. 0.87

01:25:10.000 And I was supposed to sit in with this band called Naughty Professor from New Orleans. 0.98

01:25:14.000 And they're like, That's a great name.

01:25:15.000 They're so good.

01:25:16.000 And they're just outrageously talented musicians.

01:25:20.000 And I had gone out.

01:25:22.000 On an adventure that morning on a catamaran. 0.99

01:25:24.000 I didn't know what the fuck a catamaran was. 0.96

01:25:27.000 I didn't know if it was a land, air, or sea vessel, right? 0.98

01:25:30.000 So we go out there.

01:25:31.000 Turns out it's a boat.

01:25:32.000 And we go like snorkeling in the Cayman Islands.

01:25:37.000 And we're just like looking at all the fish.

01:25:39.000 And like my girlfriend at the time and a bass player friend of mine from a bank called Lettuce, his name's Jesus.

01:25:45.000 So out there with my girlfriend at the time and Jesus.

01:25:47.000 His name is Jesus?

01:25:48.000 Yeah.

01:25:48.000 Not Jesus?

01:25:49.000 Well, his name's Eric, but he goes by Jesus.

01:25:51.000 Oh boy, Eric.

01:25:54.000 Oh boy.

01:25:55.000 How did Eric get in your circle?

01:25:57.000 I don't think it's a Messiah complex or anything.

01:25:59.000 I think it's just a nickname that stuck.

01:26:02.000 But they were tripping on acid, and I was drunk on rum and beer and just out there waiting.

01:26:09.000 And when we came up for air, the boat had, or we had drifted quite a ways from the boat, and we couldn't get their attention.

01:26:18.000 And the waves started crashing, and a storm started rolling in. 0.99

01:26:21.000 Oh, fuck. 1.00

01:26:22.000 Big waves. 1.00

01:26:24.000 And I'm not the strongest swimmer, you know, but.

01:26:27.000 We were basically, you know, we were treading water out there for like 40 minutes. 0.99

01:26:31.000 Holy shit, dude. 0.99

01:26:33.000 We were going to drown. 0.99

01:26:35.000 And finally, the dude jumped off the boat and came out there.

01:26:38.000 And then he was like yelling at me because I didn't have flippers on.

01:26:41.000 So I was just out there with just my shorts on and some goggles.

01:26:45.000 And he signaled for the boat to come around and they pulled us up out of the water.

01:26:50.000 So after that, we were celebrating our life, you know.

01:26:55.000 So I got completely hammered and then.

01:26:58.000 I was on the boat and I was like, Well, I need a pick me up, you know, because I got to sit in with these guys and they're like college educated, like jazz musicians. 1.00

01:27:08.000 So, uh, this guy comes over, he's like, Hey, man, you need a Yatuski? 0.98

01:27:12.000 I was like, Yeah, hook me up.

01:27:14.000 And he pulled out a spoon and he digs it down in the bag.

01:27:18.000 I go to take it, and it was like a small little mountain.

01:27:20.000 I was like, Give me a little more.

01:27:22.000 And he gave me some more, and big snort, my whole face went numb.

01:27:26.000 I was like, And it stung. 0.99

01:27:28.000 I was like, Whoa, what the fuck was that? 0.99

01:27:30.000 And he was like, Oh, dude, just a little blow. 0.99

01:27:33.000 I was like, no, it wasn't.

01:27:35.000 And like, he said, yeah, it was. 1.00

01:27:36.000 And I grabbed him by the shirt and I said, what the fuck did you give me, motherfucker? 1.00

01:27:40.000 And he looked at his buddy, like, well, I had him, you know, like this. 1.00

01:27:45.000 And he said, hey, what bag did you give me, bro?

01:27:48.000 And he was like, the blue one.

01:27:50.000 And he's like, oh, no.

01:27:52.000 And he looked at me and I was like, what was it?

01:27:54.000 And he's like, it's ketamine.

01:27:56.000 So I went totally the wrong direction.

01:28:00.000 But I ran into that guy at the Grand Opry.

01:28:03.000 He came into my dressing room and said, hey, remember me?

01:28:06.000 Wrong bag.

01:28:08.000 I was like, yeah, I remember you.

01:28:11.000 Yeah, I don't like you.

01:28:14.000 Yeah, you kind of put me in a weird spot.

01:28:16.000 What was that like, taking ketamine after you almost died?

01:28:19.000 Man, it was heavy, you know?

01:28:25.000 I basically, like, from what I recall, like, I became part of the boat.

01:28:32.000 That's how I remember it.

01:28:33.000 Like, my feet were, like, in the deck, you know?

01:28:39.000 And, like, I was moving the whole boat with every step that I took.

01:28:42.000 That's what I remember.

01:28:44.000 Whoa.

01:28:45.000 Yeah.

01:28:47.000 But there was this one guy that kept trying to get me to come play a festival in like New Mexico.

01:28:52.000 And I kind of had put him off the whole week.

01:28:55.000 And then he ran into me and like I just remember his eyes getting big like saucers. 0.99

01:29:00.000 I don't know what I said to him, but it was some crazy shit. 0.98

01:29:05.000 Or it wasn't English at all, probably. 0.99

01:29:08.000 Ketamine talk.

01:29:10.000 Ketamine's a weird one, man.

01:29:12.000 Because there's a lot of people that are doing that right now for therapy.

01:29:15.000 Yeah.

01:29:16.000 Like Neil Brennan, the comedian, the co creator of the Chappelle show, he was the first person to tell me about it because Neil's had depression problems most of his life.

01:29:26.000 And we were in LA, and he said, We're in the hallway of the comedy store.

01:29:31.000 He goes, I've been doing ketamine therapy for depression.

01:29:35.000 And I go, How's that working out?

01:29:36.000 Is it good?

01:29:36.000 He goes, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:29:39.000 But I didn't know what to expect.

01:29:41.000 He goes, I thought, oh, you know, it's in a doctor's office.

01:29:45.000 It's probably going to be just, I'm probably just going to close my eyes and I'll feel.

01:29:49.000 He goes, no. 0.98

01:29:51.000 He goes, it's fucking a full blown trip. 1.00

01:29:54.000 He goes, tripping balls in a doctor's office is fucking strange. 1.00

01:29:59.000 I bet. 1.00

01:29:59.000 He said it worked, though, for a little while. 1.00

01:30:02.000 Like, he's done a bunch of different things.

01:30:03.000 He did a ton of ayahuasca, he's done a bunch of ketamine.

01:30:07.000 He did, like, magnets on his brain, I think.

01:30:10.000 He's done, like, a bunch of different things to try to, like, rewire the way his brain works.

01:30:14.000 Yeah.

01:30:14.000 Like, whatever it is.

01:30:16.000 That's a journey I'm on.

01:30:18.000 I'm on antidepressants and I want to get off them.

01:30:22.000 Which ones are you on?

01:30:23.000 I'm on Cymbalta.

01:30:25.000 What does that one do?

01:30:28.000 Is it an SSRI?

01:30:29.000 Yeah.

01:30:30.000 So basically just kind of a chemical imbalance.

01:30:34.000 But the best work that I did to combat my depression and anxiety and stuff was microdosing mushrooms.

01:30:45.000 Yeah.

01:30:46.000 That's the most progress that I'd seen in my life. 0.62

01:30:50.000 And I'm going to figure out some kind of strategy because, you know, like being on antidepressants and them telling you, like, well, don't just stop taking them all at once or, you know, you could have seizures and shit.

01:31:04.000 I'm like, I don't like that.

01:31:05.000 I don't want to be, like, you know, enslaved by a drug, by a pharmaceutical drug, you know?

01:31:13.000 Yeah.

01:31:15.000 And it's like also, like, Now you just take this the rest of your life.

01:31:19.000 It's like, what's the end result here?

01:31:22.000 Yeah, Theo Vaughn's going through the exact same thing.

01:31:24.000 And last time he was on the podcast, he was explaining it to me.

01:31:27.000 It freaks me out because I know Theo has had conversations before, like even publicly.

01:31:34.000 He had a Netflix taping and it didn't go well.

01:31:38.000 It was like they actually never, they shelved it, they never used it.

01:31:42.000 And, you know, there were all these stories from people that were there saying he bombed.

01:31:45.000 I think he just had a kind of a breakdown.

01:31:47.000 And when he was talking to the crowd, and there's a video of it, we said, you know, the people were shaking.

01:31:51.000 Hey, we still love you.

01:31:52.000 He goes, thank you.

01:31:53.000 Look, I'm just, I'm trying not to take my own life.

01:31:56.000 That's what I'm trying to do right now.

01:31:57.000 And like, you hear stuff like that, and you just go, oh, Jesus Christ.

01:32:01.000 I've known too many people that I didn't think were going to kill themselves and then did.

01:32:06.000 And then he goes down these spirals where he starts talking about world events and freaking out.

01:32:11.000 I'm like, oh, Jesus Christ.

01:32:13.000 Like, I got to help this dude.

01:32:15.000 And so I send him things about people getting off of them and.

01:32:19.000 Apparently, there's some doctors that specialize in getting people off of them.

01:32:23.000 But here's the thing about that chemical imbalance thing that's not real.

01:32:30.000 They used to think that that was what these things do, that they treated a chemical imbalance.

01:32:35.000 But then recently, studies have shown that that is not what they do.

01:32:40.000 They don't exactly know what they do.

01:32:43.000 And they kind of numb you in some sort of a way that helps some people.

01:32:47.000 And I've had some friends, and I don't want to make any blanket statements because I've had some friends.

01:32:53.000 That were suicidal.

01:32:55.000 Ari's one of them.

01:32:56.000 And he got on SSRIs and it helped him.

01:33:00.000 He tried a bunch of different ones, found one that worked, got on track.

01:33:05.000 And then his career started taking off.

01:33:07.000 And then as his career started taking off, he started feeling much better.

01:33:11.000 He was on a good, positive path in his life.

01:33:14.000 And then he slowly weaned himself off of those and now he's off of them.

01:33:18.000 So I think that might have saved his life.

01:33:22.000 I also know other people that have been on their.

01:33:25.000 On those things and taking their own lives.

01:33:26.000 So I don't know because that's part of one of the side effects is suicidal ideation.

01:33:31.000 It's one of the side effects.

01:33:33.000 But see if you can find anything about the chemical imbalance not being true.

01:33:41.000 The chemical imbalance reason for taking SSRIs.

01:33:46.000 They've measured levels of dopamine and serotonin in people that take it.

01:33:52.000 That's not what it's doing.

01:33:54.000 And they don't even exactly know why it works.

01:33:57.000 And it's a huge business.

01:33:59.000 That's part of the problem.

01:34:00.000 And it's also part of the problem.

01:34:02.000 These doctors are incentivized to prescribe people these things.

01:34:05.000 I had a friend that went to a psychiatrist and was talking about their life and things not doing well.

01:34:12.000 And immediately the doctor tried to prescribe him SSRIs right away.

01:34:18.000 Like right away.

01:34:19.000 Here's something that you're never going to get off.

01:34:20.000 I'm going to give it to you right away.

01:34:22.000 First meeting.

01:34:23.000 And he was like, well, I don't mean, shouldn't I try exercise?

01:34:27.000 Shouldn't I try diet?

01:34:29.000 Shouldn't I try just drinking water?

01:34:30.000 And.

01:34:33.000 I read something about magnesium and red light therapy being far more effective than even SSRIs.

01:34:39.000 There is no good evidence for the simple chemical imbalance like low serotonin that directly causes depression or automatically means someone should take an SSRI, but SSRIs do change brain chemistry in ways that can help some people.

01:34:55.000 So, for decades, depression was popularly explained as a serotonin imbalance in the brain.

01:35:01.000 Large reviews of the research have not found convincing evidence that people with depression have consistently low serotonin or a specific measurable imbalance that explains their symptoms.

01:35:12.000 Experts now describe the chemical imbalance story as an oversimplified or outdated way of explaining a much more complex condition.

01:35:21.000 And here's the other thing about depression it has to be connected to the state of your life.

01:35:30.000 Like, if you have a terrible job, you're in a bad relationship, you have abusive parents, you know, and you live in a shitty neighborhood, why would you be happy? 0.81

01:35:42.000 Oh, I'm depressed. 0.98

01:35:42.000 Mm hmm. 0.98

01:35:43.000 Oh, you need a pill.

01:35:45.000 Do you?

01:35:45.000 Is that what you need?

01:35:46.000 Well, it's quite possible that you're eating processed foods and you have all these other things that we talked about shitty life, shitty house, shitty job, shitty neighborhood, shitty parents. 0.98

01:35:57.000 Maybe you just need to make your life positive, like figure out a way to get your life in a positive direction. 0.97

01:36:04.000 They've shown that exercise is way more effective than antidepressants at actually helping people with depression.

01:36:12.000 Just exercise. 0.99

01:36:14.000 Fucking go on a nice long walk every day. 0.99

01:36:16.000 Do some cardio. 1.00

01:36:17.000 You know, take a fucking yoga class. 1.00

01:36:19.000 That's way better for people than these goddamn pills. 1.00

01:36:22.000 But these doctors are financially incentivized to prescribe these things. 0.99

01:36:27.000 And they prescribe them and hand them out like candy.

01:36:29.000 And again, I think for some people it helps them.

01:36:32.000 And that's the issue, right?

01:36:34.000 I mean, if it wasn't a financial incentive, I think it would be like, take these for six months, you'll be better.

01:36:41.000 Yeah.

01:36:41.000 It wouldn't be like forever.

01:36:41.000 You know?

01:36:43.000 This is you now.

01:36:44.000 Even six months.

01:36:45.000 It's like, okay, how long does it take to get off them?

01:36:48.000 Right.

01:36:48.000 Because I know a guy who was on them, and it took him a year and a half after he got off of them before he felt normal again.

01:36:56.000 For a year and a half, he was fucked up. 0.93

01:37:00.000 Because he was on them for, I think he said he was on them for 10 years. 0.99

01:37:04.000 And then for a year and a half, he got off of them.

01:37:07.000 And it just took that long before he finally balanced the ship out.

01:37:12.000 Like whatever waves he had to go through for a year and a half. 0.99

01:37:16.000 But he was like, whatever I'm doing, I am not going back on those goddamn pills. 0.99

01:37:19.000 So he wrote it out. 0.99

01:37:22.000 And came out on the other end. 0.98

01:37:24.000 It's fucked up, too, because it's hard to compare your experience to other people because everybody's brain chemistry is different. 0.99

01:37:30.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:37:31.000 So you could have two people on the same medication, like you were saying earlier.

01:37:38.000 It's hard to even quantify.

01:37:39.000 I even talked to my own sister or other family members about their depression and their mental health journeys.

01:37:47.000 And it's just interesting to think, like, You could say like it's hard to disprove it.

01:37:57.000 You know what I mean?

01:37:57.000 Because somebody could be doing well on it But it's also like it takes two weeks for it to really get into your system and I've I had to try like three or four different ones before one really I felt Felt like me, you know like even at my grandmother's funeral like I just felt nothing.

01:38:14.000 I just felt numb And like I didn't notice it until I got into a situation where I was like this woman raised me and I can't feel anything Wow.

01:38:24.000 And it wasn't until like a heavy moment like that that I was able to kind of have that perspective of like, I should be feeling something right now.

01:38:33.000 So I put those down.

01:38:35.000 And then it was like two weeks later, I was having dinner with somebody, and like this song came on that just brought all of it up.

01:38:45.000 There was this melody, this Wayne Shorter melody that just uncorked everything.

01:38:51.000 And I was just sobbing at the dinner table.

01:38:57.000 Wow.

01:38:57.000 What did you feel like before you took them?

01:39:00.000 And what was wrong with the ones that you didn't stick with?

01:39:06.000 Um, well, I don't know if it was a matter of like maybe the dosage was too high and it was just kind of creating a block because, like, you've got to feel some emotions, right?

01:39:18.000 So, how did you feel before you were taking them?

01:39:20.000 Like, what was bothering you that you realized you needed to take something?

01:39:24.000 Well, I think a lot of it had to do with just like substance abuse, but I was feeling really anxious and really suicidal and, um, just really, really depressed, you know?

01:39:37.000 And, um, Just this overwhelming sense of dread every day and just also just a lot of helplessness, like just trying to go into different doctors and just like trying to figure out like what the fuck is it that's gonna finally, you know, take this away, but also realizing, like I rely on that a little bit, you know, for what I do, for a living, you know.

01:40:04.000 So there's kind of that. 0.98

01:40:05.000 You know, rely on the feelings, like the pain yeah, all that you know for writing and for creating God, that's a fucking conundrum, man.

01:40:14.000 Yeah, being fearful that it's going to take your drive away because you don't have anything to create for.

01:40:21.000 No substance, right?

01:40:24.000 So it is a strange battle.

01:40:27.000 It's one that I still kind of deal with, but I'm just in a much better spot on the journey.

01:40:32.000 So which ones did you try and what was wrong with the ones that you tried?

01:40:37.000 They just numbed you up.

01:40:40.000 This was like six years ago, so like 2020.

01:40:46.000 I can't remember the name of the specific medication.

01:40:50.000 I'm sure I have an old bottle of it somewhere in my house, but yeah, I don't know.

01:40:58.000 What did it do?

01:40:59.000 It just made you too numb.

01:41:00.000 It just made me feel numb.

01:41:01.000 And then when you found one that worked, what did that do differently?

01:41:05.000 So the one that I'm on now, I mean, like if I go a day without it, the withdrawal symptoms are fairly severe, just like headaches and just like complete, like.

01:41:20.000 Body tingling sensations and just like it's really scary stuff.

01:41:24.000 It's just, you know, so I'm gonna have to wean off of it slowly over time, like I already did.

01:41:31.000 Yeah, I wonder if Ibogaine would help with that.

01:41:35.000 Well, I mean, you know, it's like I was saying, like, microdosing mushrooms was like the first thing that I actually felt some kind of lasting result.

01:41:44.000 Like, now, like, when I get an anxiety attack or something, I can recognize it as something just coming.

01:41:51.000 From an outside force, you know, an energy that's not aligning with me.

01:41:57.000 And I can recognize it, I can work through it.

01:41:59.000 Where like before, I would just get a little overwhelmed, you know.

01:42:03.000 But I think also just like not drinking and like having to socialize with people and having to have a little exposure therapy to like social interactions and life in general without just masking myself with drugs and alcohol has helped a lot too in that growth. 0.98

01:42:22.000 So, when you first started taking it, there's all the stuff that you're doing in terms of like abusing alcohol and substances and that, which definitely causes you to feel like shit and definitely causes a lot of people to have like all sorts of angst and anxiety and just fucks with you.

01:42:44.000 This stuff alleviated that. 0.92

01:42:49.000 What am I now?

01:42:50.000 Yeah.

01:42:51.000 Uh,.

01:42:52.000 I mean, you know, it has.

01:42:55.000 Kind of.

01:42:55.000 And I'm afraid of, like, you know, if I get off of it, are those emotions going to come flooding back in, you know?

01:43:01.000 So did it stop those emotions?

01:43:04.000 It.

01:43:05.000 This is all, by the way, why you were drinking, right?

01:43:07.000 And how long has it been since you've drank?

01:43:07.000 You're not drinking.

01:43:10.000 Like a year and a half.

01:43:11.000 Okay.

01:43:11.000 But, I mean, those emotions do come back every now and again.

01:43:15.000 Even while you're on this stuff?

01:43:17.000 Yeah.

01:43:18.000 But it significantly curbed them?

01:43:22.000 Mm hmm.

01:43:23.000 But it's like, you know.

01:43:25.000 At what price?

01:43:26.000 I mean, I was talking to my boy Ernest about it because, you know, he's kind of a kindred spirit.

01:43:33.000 And, like, you know, just talking about, like, I'll be working out and, like, getting after it, feeling good, listening to the Stones or whatever.

01:43:40.000 And, like, I noticed, like, in my gym at my house, like, I guess they used to have a punching bag hanging up there.

01:43:48.000 And just, like, you see something like that and you just take a mental note of, like, that could probably hold my weight, you know?

01:43:56.000 It's just like these. 0.88

01:43:57.000 Oh, you mean to hang yourself? 0.98

01:43:58.000 Yeah.

01:43:59.000 Like these thoughts just kind of come, you know, and it's, I don't know where they come from.

01:44:05.000 They just pop in.

01:44:08.000 And as quick as they come, they go.

01:44:11.000 And this is before you taking the medication?

01:44:13.000 No, I mean, this is like a month ago, you know?

01:44:15.000 Okay.

01:44:16.000 Did you have those thoughts before the medication?

01:44:19.000 Oh, yeah.

01:44:20.000 Okay, so they're still there.

01:44:21.000 Yeah.

01:44:22.000 So whatever it's doing, it's doing a little bit.

01:44:25.000 I mean, it's got to be helping.

01:44:27.000 To a degree.

01:44:28.000 Do you think it is?

01:44:29.000 I think so, but I think it's really just about your will and your mental ability, just like we were talking about with diets and stuff.

01:44:41.000 Does Ozempic help curb appetites?

01:44:44.000 But you could also just exercise and just have willpower.

01:44:48.000 And I think mental health can be of a similar thing.

01:44:51.000 One of the things that people are finding about Ozempic is it actually curbs your desire to be in love too.

01:44:58.000 Ugh.

01:44:59.000 That's a nasty thought.

01:44:59.000 Yeah.

01:45:00.000 Yeah.

01:45:02.000 You don't enjoy anything.

01:45:04.000 Yeah.

01:45:05.000 What I'm hearing about these SSRIs is like genitalia, like paralyzed.

01:45:13.000 I saw that.

01:45:14.000 Yeah.

01:45:15.000 I saw that on Twitter. 1.00

01:45:16.000 Some lady was talking about how she got off of it and her clitoris is numb. 1.00

01:45:19.000 She can't have orgasms anymore. 1.00

01:45:21.000 That's fucked up. 1.00

01:45:24.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:45:25.000 If that ever happens, it's like, you know.

01:45:27.000 Well, the problem is, I don't know if it comes back.

01:45:30.000 So, you can't wait for it to happen.

01:45:32.000 And, like, which medications cause it to happen?

01:45:35.000 Yeah.

01:45:37.000 If you do get off of it, have you talked to your doctor?

01:45:40.000 Like, what is the protocol?

01:45:44.000 Well, waning off of it.

01:45:46.000 My doctor always just says, I don't know.

01:45:49.000 He just, every time I talk to my doctor, it's like every few months we check in and he's like, Well, yeah, how are you feeling?

01:45:55.000 You know, how are you doing?

01:45:58.000 I'm like, Well, I'm okay.

01:45:59.000 You know, just kind of feels like. the same.

01:46:03.000 I kind of want to get off of him.

01:46:05.000 And he's like, well, you know, if you want to do that, like, you're going to have to go slowly over time.

01:46:11.000 But, you know, are things good?

01:46:14.000 And I'm like, yeah, things are fine.

01:46:16.000 He's like, well, you don't really want to change things if they're good, right?

01:46:21.000 You know?

01:46:22.000 That kind of thing.

01:46:25.000 And you worry what.

01:46:27.000 And I worry about what's going to happen if I, you know.

01:46:29.000 What's that going to be like getting off of them?

01:46:32.000 Because the thing about it is like, I was talking about this guy that was on him for 10 years.

01:46:36.000 Like, that year and a half was fucking rough where he was experiencing all sorts of problems because his body was just kind of in shock.

01:46:46.000 They'd been on SSRIs for a decade. 0.92

01:46:48.000 Yeah.

01:46:49.000 And then all of a sudden, he's off of him.

01:46:50.000 And it's like, the way Theo described it is like the floor was missing.

01:46:56.000 Like the floor fell out from under him.

01:46:59.000 Getting off him?

01:47:00.000 He got off him for a while and then got back on him.

01:47:02.000 He got off him about a year ago for a little while and then got back on him.

01:47:05.000 But he wants to get off him, he just doesn't know what to do.

01:47:09.000 And I mean, hell, it's like, it's like a, it's literally a plot device, you know?

01:47:16.000 Like the show The Ozarks, you know?

01:47:18.000 Like the crazy brother.

01:47:20.000 He's pouring his medication down the, Drain. 0.70

01:47:23.000 Yep. 1.00

01:47:23.000 And he goes fucking nuts. 1.00

01:47:24.000 You know? 1.00

01:47:25.000 It's like somebody being off their medication is kind of a pejorative term, right?

01:47:30.000 Yeah.

01:47:31.000 But I'm like, I kind of want to get off mine.

01:47:34.000 Well, it depends on what medication, right?

01:47:36.000 Some people are schizophrenic.

01:47:38.000 Yeah, if it's antipsychosis, I guess.

01:47:40.000 If you've got psychosis.

01:47:43.000 Do you exercise?

01:47:44.000 What do you do?

01:47:44.000 Yeah.

01:47:46.000 I usually do 20 minutes on the Peloton and then a different muscle group every day.

01:47:51.000 Oh, that's good.

01:47:52.000 That anything cardio wise is great for depression, supposedly, and even weights.

01:47:58.000 Weights are supposedly really good for anxiety for some reason.

01:48:01.000 I've noticed.

01:48:03.000 Yeah.

01:48:03.000 There's a real definitive difference when I'm working out versus when I'm not.

01:48:08.000 Yeah.

01:48:09.000 Man.

01:48:11.000 So, like, do you have a strategy for when you're thinking about doing this or how you're going to try to do this?

01:48:17.000 Well, I was thinking I'd probably do it when I had some time off, but I'm working the rest of the year, but.

01:48:26.000 Honestly, man, being on the road is kind of my constant.

01:48:29.000 So I think it's something that I could probably accomplish while I'm on the road, but I'd hate to have like a breakdown. 0.99

01:48:36.000 Yeah, fuck that. 0.99

01:48:39.000 You're in Nashville about to do a show, and you're like, I got to cancel the show. 1.00

01:48:42.000 Right.

01:48:43.000 Yeah.

01:48:44.000 So it's hard to determine.

01:48:47.000 It scares me, man, because, and again, it scares me because doctors incentivize to keep you on them and promote them and get you to do them.

01:48:55.000 Also, when they've been prescribing them for people, they don't want to ever think that they're doing something bad.

01:49:01.000 There's a justification process in there somewhere.

01:49:04.000 100%.

01:49:05.000 Justification process, financial incentives.

01:49:08.000 There's a lot going on there.

01:49:09.000 And then there's also this position that they're in of expertise where they're explaining to you what you should and shouldn't do and how it works.

01:49:20.000 And when you're like, this is fucking up my whole life and I can't get off of them, like, oh, it's just, why slow down?

01:49:25.000 Like, isn't everything doing well?

01:49:26.000 Just keep on the same path, Marcus.

01:49:29.000 Everything's fine, Marcus.

01:49:31.000 Bye.

01:49:31.000 Click.

01:49:32.000 Got a new patient calling.

01:49:33.000 Oh, hi, Jenner.

01:49:34.000 Do you?

01:49:35.000 Yeah, it's very weird, man.

01:49:37.000 It's very weird that our society is so hyper medicated.

01:49:42.000 Yeah.

01:49:43.000 Yeah.

01:49:44.000 And injectables are the wave of the future.

01:49:47.000 Like, even like my boy Chevy that works for me, he used to work in pharmaceutical sales.

01:49:55.000 And he's like, everything is injectables now because that's what's hot because of like the ozone bikes.

01:50:01.000 So, like, every medication is like.

01:50:03.000 Pedaling injectables because, like, the wave of like peptides and Ozempic and all that kind of stuff now it's like it's trendy, which is very interesting to me.

01:50:15.000 That is weird.

01:50:16.000 Because I grew up with my dad having type 2 diabetes and my grandfather, too.

01:50:21.000 And, you know, just seeing them inject like insulin and stuff, I was like, yuck.

01:50:27.000 Well, type 2 diabetes, the thing about that one is you can cure that.

01:50:32.000 Yep. 0.97

01:50:32.000 You just got to stop eating like a pig, which is crazy. 0.97

01:50:37.000 I know a bunch of people that have stopped themselves from having type 2 diabetes.

01:50:41.000 Yeah.

01:50:42.000 And that's a goal that I'm on is preventing myself from ever.

01:50:46.000 Yeah.

01:50:46.000 Dealing with that.

01:50:47.000 I don't eat sugar or anything.

01:50:48.000 Oh, that's awesome.

01:50:49.000 I gave up sugar.

01:50:49.000 Yeah.

01:50:51.000 Well, again, the ketogenic diet is supposed to be good for depression, too.

01:50:55.000 Do you take supplements?

01:50:56.000 Are you taking magnesium and multivitamins and all that jazz?

01:51:00.000 Oh, yeah.

01:51:01.000 That's good.

01:51:02.000 So it seems like you're doing a lot of the right things, man.

01:51:05.000 Yeah, man.

01:51:06.000 I'm, you know, I just don't want to be a prisoner to pills.

01:51:11.000 Yeah.

01:51:12.000 And I love my wife, and I'm just excited to have some babies, and just I want to get myself.

01:51:18.000 Like her career is taking off, and my career is going really well.

01:51:22.000 And, like, does she take SSRIs?

01:51:24.000 No, that's good.

01:51:25.000 She's very anti, like, any pharmaceuticals, which I really admire about her.

01:51:30.000 I was just reading something about SSRIs and the development of children, children's brains when women are pregnant and they're on SSRIs.

01:51:37.000 Apparently, there's a bunch of issues.

01:51:40.000 Yeah, I can see that.

01:51:41.000 I mean, look, man, there's millions of people on those things.

01:51:46.000 There's a giant business, and they want to hide all the side effects and hide all the negative aspects of it and hide the.

01:51:52.000 Impact that it does just to the overall psyche of the nation.

01:51:56.000 When you've got, okay, let's just take a guess.

01:51:59.000 How many people do you think in this country are on SSRIs? 1.00

01:52:02.000 With liberal women, it's like 80% of them. 1.00

01:52:05.000 But it is. 1.00

01:52:09.000 And the other 20% need them.

01:52:12.000 What's the percentage of people on SSRIs in America?

01:52:16.000 Let's guess.

01:52:18.000 Man, I would say like, I would go even higher.

01:52:22.000 I'd say like 60 to 75.

01:52:24.000 Really?

01:52:25.000 Yeah.

01:52:26.000 60 to 75% of the country?

01:52:28.000 Yeah.

01:52:29.000 Wow.

01:52:30.000 I don't think it's that.

01:52:31.000 I think it's under 30.

01:52:32.000 It's too many.

01:52:34.000 Yeah.

01:52:34.000 It's too many.

01:52:35.000 It's definitely too many.

01:52:36.000 But there's also a bunch of people that are looking for a quick fix when there's a bunch of factors to why you don't feel happy. 0.99

01:52:41.000 Like we were talking about before there's lifestyle, life choices, situation that is beyond your control, like where you're born, where you live, the job that you have, where you, you know, if you're in a place of limited opportunity, And you got a bunch of shitty people around you, and life sucks every day. 0.95

01:52:58.000 It's hard to be happy. 0.95

01:53:00.000 It's hard to not feel depressed.

01:53:01.000 So then there's the question of how does one develop the tools to get out of that situation and get somewhere else?

01:53:10.000 And for a lot of people, it's something that helps them break out, whether it's starting a business or being a musician or an artist or something that gets you out of there.

01:53:19.000 And then you start getting around more positive people, and then you make more positive lifestyle choices. 0.99

01:53:24.000 But you just can't expect to be happy if your life is shit. 0.99

01:53:27.000 Right. 1.00

01:53:29.000 13%.

01:53:30.000 Okay.

01:53:31.000 That was way off.

01:53:32.000 American SSRI prescribing, but I bet in your business that's why you think of it.

01:53:37.000 Because with artists, I bet it's a lot higher.

01:53:41.000 13% of U.S. adults report taking an antidepressant in any given 30 day period.

01:53:46.000 SSRI is the most frequently used class within that group.

01:53:52.000 Yeah.

01:53:52.000 Okay.

01:53:53.000 So 13%.

01:53:55.000 So that's 2015 to 2018.

01:53:57.000 I asked for an update for 2020.

01:53:58.000 I said it's about the same.

01:54:00.000 For 2026?

01:54:01.000 I mean, yeah, I asked, is there any updates in 2020?

01:54:04.000 And it basically said the same.

01:54:06.000 So about 13%.

01:54:09.000 Still a lot.

01:54:09.000 One out of 10 people on crazy pills is a lot.

01:54:13.000 Yeah.

01:54:15.000 In the arts community, though.

01:54:17.000 Yeah.

01:54:17.000 Like within the artist community, the last data that I remember reading was like 70% of artists struggle with some faction of mental health.

01:54:28.000 But that makes sense.

01:54:31.000 Yeah.

01:54:32.000 And then there's also the newest element that targets your mental health and goes after it, which is social media.

01:54:40.000 Yeah.

01:54:41.000 That's a rough one, boy.

01:54:42.000 That's a rough one.

01:54:43.000 Yeah.

01:54:43.000 And so many people treat that as if it's no big deal.

01:54:46.000 Like you're just shooting heroin into your eyeballs every day with that stuff.

01:54:49.000 Yeah, man.

01:54:50.000 Not good.

01:54:52.000 So many people are in there.

01:54:53.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:54:54.000 All day, every day, and then reading a bunch of negative shit about them and getting angry and upset and then carrying that weight around with them all day. 0.97

01:55:04.000 It's easy to say, like, don't read comments, but it's easier said than done. 0.98

01:55:09.000 Yeah.

01:55:09.000 You know?

01:55:10.000 Yeah.

01:55:11.000 Especially if you have it on your phone.

01:55:12.000 That's the thing.

01:55:13.000 Like, you got to not have it on your phone.

01:55:15.000 If you have it on your phone, you're going to go to it.

01:55:15.000 Mm hmm.

01:55:17.000 But then the problem is, if you use it for touring and for posting information, keeping your fans engaged.

01:55:24.000 Well, the algorithm also serves you like you got to engage.

01:55:24.000 Yeah.

01:55:29.000 Like, anytime you talk to a social media group, they're like, what are your engagement levels like?

01:55:34.000 So they want you on the app using it, commenting, responding to people.

01:55:39.000 Because if you don't and you choose not to do that, then they're like, well, can we go on there for you and respond to comments or whatever? 0.98

01:55:46.000 And I'm like, no, I don't want you punching in any bullshit. 0.62

01:55:50.000 So, I'm like, I want to be on there and be myself. 0.97

01:55:52.000 And, like, if this is a tool that I have to have, I want it to be me, like, authentically.

01:55:57.000 But, you know, it's a necessary evil.

01:56:01.000 Yeah, but it ruins so many people's brains.

01:56:04.000 It rots you.

01:56:05.000 Yeah, it really does.

01:56:07.000 And it's also, you're absorbing so much negativity just from what's going on in the world.

01:56:13.000 Like, on any given day, if I open up Twitter and I just start reading what people are upset about, it's just like, oh my God, the whole world is falling apart.

01:56:21.000 Everyone's mad at everything and everyone. 0.57

01:56:24.000 And every little, whatever fucking social issue, political issue, world issue, economic issue, everyone's blaming everyone and everyone's pissed. 1.00

01:56:35.000 And there's so many grifters and psychopaths that are just on there all day using it, stirring up bullshit. 1.00

01:56:43.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

01:56:44.000 I know. 1.00

01:56:46.000 It's, um, yeah.

01:56:51.000 You think I can use the bathroom? 1.00

01:56:52.000 Fuck, yeah, we can use the bathroom. 1.00

01:56:53.000 We'll get into this. 1.00

01:56:54.000 We got a lot to say about this.

01:56:54.000 Yeah.

01:56:55.000 We're going to pee, folks.

01:56:57.000 We'll be right back.

01:56:58.000 And we're back, ladies and gentlemen. 0.99

01:57:00.000 Depression, everything sucks. 0.89

01:57:00.000 Where were we? 0.89

01:57:02.000 Stay off social media.

01:57:03.000 Yeah, let's talk about music.

01:57:04.000 Let's talk about some music. 0.99

01:57:06.000 Damn, that's how it takes so long. 0.97

01:57:09.000 You seen that James Brown interview from the 20s when he's got those big glasses? 0.99

01:57:13.000 Oh, yeah, I want to talk about some music.

01:57:17.000 That interview is amazing.

01:57:19.000 It's the best when he had just got arrested.

01:57:22.000 I'm out on love.

01:57:24.000 Yeah, aren't you out on bail?

01:57:25.000 I'm out on love.

01:57:27.000 Yeah, and he starts talking to the women in the thing. 0.95

01:57:30.000 He's like, Why is that, ladies? 0.96

01:57:33.000 Yeah, no, it's hilarious. 0.94

01:57:34.000 It's the best. 1.00

01:57:35.000 Clearly, high as fuck. 1.00

01:57:37.000 Yeah, there's something going on there. 0.99

01:57:39.000 James Brown with an original.

01:57:41.000 When you first started doing music, how old were you?

01:57:46.000 Man, I was probably like two or three years old when I started dealing with it.

01:57:50.000 Really?

01:57:51.000 That's crazy.

01:57:53.000 My grandfather played, my uncles, my dad still plays, you know.

01:57:58.000 Wow.

01:58:00.000 So, were they professional or they just did it for fun?

01:58:03.000 My grandfather, so he was a career serviceman.

01:58:06.000 He was in the Air Force and he was a staff master sergeant and he played honky tonks on the weekend.

01:58:13.000 He was in charge of booking all the NCO clubs on the base.

01:58:17.000 So he would book like Charlie Pride or Johnny Cash, Barbara Mandrell, and his band would open up and then back them up.

01:58:25.000 Oh, wow.

01:58:26.000 So he was a country and Western purist.

01:58:29.000 Did you get to go to any of those shows when you were young?

01:58:32.000 No, well, so this was back in the 60s.

01:58:35.000 Oh.

01:58:35.000 My dad's 73, I think, now.

01:58:39.000 He was born in 53.

01:58:41.000 And I was born when my dad was like 43.

01:58:46.000 Oh, wow.

01:58:46.000 So by the time I came along, everybody was, you know, a lot of my family traded in, like, I think they associated music with a lot of the secular lifestyle.

01:59:00.000 So they kind of, when they all got born again and into the church, that's around the time I came around, you know.

01:59:08.000 So the music was really associated with church.

01:59:11.000 But I was really.

01:59:12.000 Interested in that other stuff.

01:59:13.000 Isn't that interesting?

01:59:14.000 I wonder why there's a division.

01:59:18.000 You know, I think about it a lot.

01:59:20.000 I think that's the closest you can get to divinity, you know, is music, really.

01:59:28.000 Allowing yourself to get that close to something.

01:59:32.000 And the conviction that you feel in a church, you know, that's a good common thing for everybody to get on the same level.

01:59:43.000 And, um, yeah, that's part of the church experience that everybody having it together, experiencing it together as a group.

01:59:50.000 Being together live in a room with a great musician on stage when everyone's enjoying it together is very much a transcendent experience.

01:59:59.000 It really is.

01:59:59.000 Yeah.

02:00:00.000 It's like drinking the Kool Aid, man.

02:00:01.000 Yeah, it's like there's a beautiful moment where you're all experiencing it together and you're all clapping and cheering or you're all dancing and singing along.

02:00:09.000 It's a beautiful moment.

02:00:11.000 It really is.

02:00:12.000 Music is like a drug, man.

02:00:14.000 It really is.

02:00:14.000 It's like a beautiful drug.

02:00:17.000 Like the right song when you're on the treadmill, you're like, fuck yeah. 0.99

02:00:21.000 You could just keep going, you know? 0.99

02:00:22.000 Yeah, dude.

02:00:23.000 I'll tear a door off the hinges.

02:00:24.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:00:25.000 If I hear like Little Feet Skin It Back.

02:00:27.000 Yeah.

02:00:28.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:00:30.000 There's certain songs that just give you fucking energy, man. 0.99

02:00:34.000 What, like Bitch by the Rolling Stones? 1.00

02:00:36.000 Oh, yeah. 0.65

02:00:36.000 That song, if I need a pick me up in the morning, that song comes on. 0.65

02:00:40.000 A great weightlifting one is Prison Sex by Tool.

02:00:44.000 Oh, yeah.

02:00:44.000 Oh, you know that song?

02:00:46.000 Tool's a band that I never really delved into, but I like that.

02:00:49.000 I know Danny Carey.

02:00:52.000 I know them because of my buddy Brent Hines.

02:00:55.000 Did you ever listen to Mastodon?

02:00:57.000 No. 1.00

02:00:58.000 Man, I got to send you some choice cuts, but Brent was the fucking man. 1.00

02:01:04.000 He just died back in September. 0.99

02:01:08.000 I took him on the road right before that, which was messy.

02:01:13.000 Oh, really?

02:01:14.000 Brent, he and Mastodon kind of had a mutual agreement that he would leave the band.

02:01:21.000 So he was doing his solo thing.

02:01:24.000 And, like, he's one of my heroes, you know?

02:01:26.000 And I was like, I'll take you out, sure.

02:01:29.000 And, like, he just threw it together somehow.

02:01:31.000 And then I ended up having to kick him off the tour, which, like, broke my heart.

02:01:35.000 But he kind of forced my hand.

02:01:40.000 The night in question, like, I walked outside, and he had this little tour manager named Angela, and she was crying.

02:01:47.000 And my tour manager was holding her, and she was crying. 0.96

02:01:51.000 I was like, fucking A, what happened now? 0.99

02:01:54.000 She said, I walk into the dressing room and Brent pee on the floor. 0.99

02:02:01.000 And I said, no, no, you have to stop.

02:02:04.000 So then he pee in his mouth.

02:02:07.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

02:02:09.000 And, like, I know. 0.72

02:02:11.000 You just have to picture my boy just like pissing.

02:02:15.000 And she's like, yep, stop.

02:02:16.000 And then he's like, oh. 0.95

02:02:17.000 He pisses in his own mouth.

02:02:17.000 And he just like.

02:02:19.000 And, like, at his funeral, I told Matt Pike from his sleep.

02:02:24.000 I told him that story.

02:02:25.000 And he was like, yeah?

02:02:27.000 Like, and?

02:02:28.000 Normal.

02:02:29.000 He's like, it's a party trick.

02:02:30.000 That's a Wednesday move.

02:02:32.000 And I was like, yeah, no, it's hilarious. 1.00

02:02:33.000 But it really offended her.

02:02:35.000 And she got very upset.

02:02:36.000 And the whole thing just fell apart.

02:02:39.000 And, you know, that was the last straw. 0.98

02:02:42.000 That was pissing in his own mouth. 0.96

02:02:44.000 That was what did it.

02:02:45.000 Really?

02:02:45.000 But, you know.

02:02:47.000 Get him some paper towels and fix this.

02:02:49.000 I was ready to fix it.

02:02:51.000 But, like, his whole band and crew, they were like, it's not working.

02:02:55.000 What was he doing?

02:02:55.000 So.

02:02:57.000 He was just partying a little too much, you know?

02:03:01.000 And, I mean, I really, I love that dude like a brother.

02:03:05.000 You know, I miss him.

02:03:08.000 Miss him a lot.

02:03:09.000 Sometimes it takes a really wild, crazy, off the rails person to make music or make any kind of art that just moves you, drives you crazy.

02:03:18.000 Yeah, I mean, he was a true artist, you know?

02:03:21.000 Like, he was insane.

02:03:23.000 Yeah.

02:03:24.000 You got to have friends that your wife doesn't particularly love you hanging out with.

02:03:29.000 Right?

02:03:30.000 You know?

02:03:31.000 There's something about that friend.

02:03:32.000 Yeah, that's a lot of my friends.

02:03:34.000 Yeah.

02:03:37.000 Yeah. 0.56

02:03:38.000 Yeah, but those are the ones that make the magic.

02:03:41.000 Yeah.

02:03:41.000 There's something to it.

02:03:43.000 And again, it is a magic thing.

02:03:46.000 And this is coming from someone with no music.

02:03:50.000 I have no talent.

02:03:51.000 And so for me, watching it and experiencing it is a pure experience because I'm not like, oh, I don't like how he played that chord.

02:04:01.000 I don't know anything about music.

02:04:02.000 I just know I love it.

02:04:04.000 I mean, Rick Rubin, he's held on to that.

02:04:09.000 He wants to be, and I think he has been, like, the.

02:04:15.000 The voice of like the consumer.

02:04:17.000 He hears what the consumer wants to hear.

02:04:21.000 Well, he knows what he likes.

02:04:21.000 And I.

02:04:23.000 Yeah.

02:04:24.000 And he's got a very interesting mind.

02:04:26.000 You know?

02:04:27.000 He's a very interesting person to talk to.

02:04:30.000 His perspective on things is very unique.

02:04:33.000 I like him a lot.

02:04:34.000 Yep.

02:04:35.000 Really like him a lot.

02:04:36.000 I like talking to him a lot.

02:04:38.000 He sends you the wildest text messages.

02:04:40.000 He even text messages.

02:04:42.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

02:04:43.000 He sent me some fucking conspiracies. 0.99

02:04:46.000 That are often sometimes I have to say, Hey, that's not real, but every now and then I'll send you some ones that make you question reality. 0.96

02:04:56.000 I like the thought of you talking Rick off of a ledge, not necessarily talking off a ledge, just letting him know that some of the you know, it's hard to know what's real and what's not real out there in the world if you're not like deep into the bowels of conspiracy theory movement, yeah, you know, right.

02:05:14.000 But again, a guy like Rick, like his sensibility, like he.

02:05:18.000 He has a, it's like a very valuable position.

02:05:21.000 A person just with a unique mind that is just helping shape how music gets produced and created.

02:05:29.000 And because, like, whatever it takes, whatever it, I mean, it's not a science, like a math thing, or a, it's not carpentry, like you have to level this and square that.

02:05:40.000 Like, no, man, there's like some weirdness and there's love in there and hate in there.

02:05:46.000 There's, there's, there's a lot of stuff that, Intangible.

02:05:51.000 It's hard to describe why this is better and why this is good, but when you hear it, you know.

02:05:57.000 When you know, you know.

02:05:59.000 There's some riffs. 0.93

02:06:02.000 You know, there's some riffs that just like, oh my God, like the beginning of Voodoo Child's Slight Return. 0.95

02:06:08.000 Come on. 0.98

02:06:09.000 Yeah, come on.

02:06:10.000 Just the beginning, you hear it, you go, oh yeah.

02:06:13.000 Yeah, dude.

02:06:14.000 Yeah.

02:06:15.000 I mean, Dan Auerbach's another one who's just perfected the riff.

02:06:20.000 Yeah.

02:06:21.000 Josh Hami.

02:06:22.000 He was in the Stone Age.

02:06:22.000 Yeah.

02:06:24.000 Oh yeah.

02:06:26.000 You know, Rick's a funny one, man.

02:06:29.000 I love his philosophy on music, too.

02:06:32.000 He just looks at it the same way that Colonel Bruce Hampton looked at it.

02:06:35.000 Colonel Bruce Hampton and Rick both believed that music is like pro wrestling, you know?

02:06:40.000 Is Colonel Bruce Hampton the Colonel from Elvis?

02:06:43.000 That's not.

02:06:44.000 Different Colonel.

02:06:45.000 Who's Colonel Bruce Hampton?

02:06:46.000 Colonel Bruce Hampton, he was kind of like.

02:06:49.000 So Billy Bob Thornton put him in a movie in Sling Blade.

02:06:53.000 He was.

02:06:54.000 I can't remember his name in the film.

02:06:56.000 But yeah, Colonel Bruce Hampton.

02:06:57.000 There he is.

02:06:58.000 He died on stage at the Fox Theater.

02:07:01.000 Wow.

02:07:02.000 In Detroit?

02:07:03.000 No, in Atlanta.

02:07:04.000 Oh, okay.

02:07:06.000 His story is he was born with two birth certificates.

02:07:10.000 He was just a wild man.

02:07:11.000 He was just, he was all about, like, instead of instruction, he called it outstruction.

02:07:16.000 And, like, Billy Bob worked on a documentary about him in, like, 2003.

02:07:23.000 And he was just, like, his whole philosophy on music and just, like, why we do it and just pointing out the hilarity of, like, the business and, like, the coffee getters, as he referred to them.

02:07:33.000 You know, we have a whole industry built around coffee getters now.

02:07:36.000 You know, all the people that.

02:07:38.000 Got the suits, their lattes and stuff in the morning.

02:07:41.000 Now they're calling the shots.

02:07:43.000 And that's a weird place to be.

02:07:45.000 But the Colonel Bruce Hampton, I, you know, I just, what I do now is I just buy copies of his documentary, Basically Frightened, and I just give it to people who aren't hip to the knowledge.

02:08:01.000 So I'll send a copy down here.

02:08:02.000 Yeah, it's called Frightened?

02:08:03.000 It's called Basically Frightened.

02:08:05.000 Basically Frightened.

02:08:06.000 Colonel Bruce Hampton's story, yeah.

02:08:07.000 Is it available anywhere?

02:08:09.000 Like, is it on Apple or Amazon?

02:08:11.000 It's not streaming anywhere.

02:08:13.000 No?

02:08:13.000 So I just collect the DVDs when I can find them.

02:08:17.000 Oh, wow.

02:08:18.000 Can you buy a DVD anywhere?

02:08:20.000 Like, if people are listening to this and they want to get a hold of it?

02:08:22.000 Yeah, like eBay.

02:08:24.000 That's the only way?

02:08:25.000 That's the only place I've found them.

02:08:27.000 Yeah.

02:08:27.000 Really?

02:08:28.000 And you'll be bidding against me.

02:08:29.000 I always keep buying copies of it.

02:08:32.000 Yeah.

02:08:32.000 Every time I give one away, I buy another copy.

02:08:35.000 Wow.

02:08:38.000 Yep.

02:08:39.000 I found a thread on Reddit, people looking for it, and someone's like, just mail me the DVD and I'll copy it for you.

02:08:44.000 Like, you can't find it anywhere.

02:08:46.000 Oh, wow.

02:08:48.000 It would be cool if it were to be streamed somewhere.

02:08:52.000 It's a fascinating story.

02:08:54.000 $215 on Amazon, but I don't know that it's going to be even real.

02:08:58.000 Right. 0.99

02:08:59.000 They might just send you a fucking brick. 0.99

02:09:01.000 But he was somebody like, you know, Widespread Panic, that was like their guru, you know? 0.99

02:09:07.000 Really?

02:09:08.000 Colonel Bruce Hampton, Jimmy Herring.

02:09:10.000 You know, Otil Burbridge, who I'm in a band with now, you know, he started with Bruce, really.

02:09:20.000 I've never heard of him before.

02:09:21.000 You know, it's just, he's one of those guys that, you know, he was like, to the southeast, he was like our Frank Zappa, you know?

02:09:28.000 Like our Sun Ra.

02:09:30.000 Oh, wow.

02:09:30.000 He was just all about just the outrageousness.

02:09:33.000 And, you know, I have a lot of friends who spent a lot more time with him than I did.

02:09:39.000 But, like, he was one of the first people that took notice to what I was doing when I was, like, 15, you know?

02:09:46.000 And then I remember, like, being in Germany and finding out that he'd passed away on stage, which he predicted.

02:09:55.000 He did?

02:09:56.000 Really?

02:09:57.000 Yeah.

02:09:57.000 He said that's how he was going to go.

02:09:59.000 Well, if you keep performing long enough, Carlin died in a hotel room on the road.

02:10:06.000 Really?

02:10:07.000 Yeah.

02:10:07.000 I'm going to have to download this for you real quick.

02:10:09.000 Oh, there you go.

02:10:10.000 It's unlisted on YouTube.

02:10:11.000 Oh, perfect.

02:10:12.000 It'll be there tomorrow, though.

02:10:14.000 After this episode gets released?

02:10:16.000 Yeah.

02:10:17.000 Can you download it?

02:10:18.000 I can try it, yeah.

02:10:19.000 Yeah.

02:10:20.000 I'll just download it to YouTube.

02:10:21.000 I'll figure it out, though.

02:10:22.000 Okay.

02:10:23.000 Jammy to the rescue.

02:10:25.000 Sorry, folks, if you're getting this.

02:10:27.000 You might be able to find it still.

02:10:28.000 I found it.

02:10:28.000 Yeah, maybe.

02:10:29.000 Good luck.

02:10:30.000 Somebody can upload it on one of those other social media platforms.

02:10:35.000 That's cool.

02:10:36.000 I'm interested in checking it out.

02:10:38.000 I love music for inspiration.

02:10:41.000 It's one of the unique art forms that inspires you to create, inspires you to go do things.

02:10:52.000 Whenever I see a live band or a live performer, I can't wait to go do something.

02:10:58.000 I want to go write, I want to go perform.

02:11:00.000 Paul Mooney, who's a great comedian.

02:11:03.000 Do you know who Paul Mooney is?

02:11:04.000 Yep.

02:11:05.000 He used to write for Richard Pryor. 0.91

02:11:07.000 He was one of the real OGs back in the early days when I came to the comedy store.

02:11:12.000 I was kind of blown up.

02:11:12.000 He was one of the guys I was always nervous around being around until he liked me.

02:11:16.000 It's like, you know what I mean?

02:11:17.000 Like, Paul Mooney hates you. 1.00

02:11:18.000 You're fucked. 1.00

02:11:21.000 But he gave me that advice once early on. 1.00

02:11:24.000 He said, if you want to entertain people, go be entertained.

02:11:28.000 He goes, You want to entertain, honey? 1.00

02:11:30.000 Go be entertained, homie. 1.00

02:11:32.000 Go see some other shit. 1.00

02:11:33.000 He goes, Go see something that gets you. 1.00

02:11:35.000 Go see a great movie.

02:11:37.000 Go see a band.

02:11:38.000 Go see something.

02:11:39.000 Be entertained.

02:11:41.000 That's what my process is like in the studio, man.

02:11:44.000 This last record we did, we had a projector and we'd play Giant with James Dean, or we'd play Easy Rider or Big Lebowski, or films that inspired us, films that we really gravitated towards.

02:12:02.000 All the while, waking up in the morning and reading East of Eden and just some of these great architects of Americana and just being inspired on every turn.

02:12:12.000 Watching live concert footage of bands that we love, Marshall Tucker Band, Skinner, whatever the case.

02:12:19.000 Just inundating yourself with inspiring stuff, you know?

02:12:24.000 Just something to get the juices flowing.

02:12:26.000 Yeah.

02:12:26.000 To summon the muse.

02:12:28.000 Something to.

02:12:30.000 Sometimes we would play just the footage of like a Midnight Cowboy or something.

02:12:35.000 Ah.

02:12:35.000 And we would record, you know, in the mindset like we were trying to score this film, you know?

02:12:40.000 Oh, wow.

02:12:41.000 Just to kind of get a different.

02:12:45.000 I forgot about Midnight Cowboy.

02:12:46.000 What a wild movie.

02:12:47.000 It's a good one.

02:12:48.000 Yeah, that was back when Times Square was dirty.

02:12:51.000 Yeah.

02:12:52.000 Now Times Square is one big Applebee's.

02:12:55.000 That's when people would go and watch pornography together in a theater.

02:12:58.000 Yeah.

02:12:58.000 In a theater.

02:12:59.000 Yeah.

02:13:00.000 Not only that, but it was a thing in the early days of pornography where couples would go out and, like, Johnny Carson went to see Deep Throat.

02:13:11.000 Yeah.

02:13:12.000 There's, like, famous people.

02:13:14.000 Went to see the film Deep Throat in the theater.

02:13:18.000 Yep.

02:13:19.000 Well, it was adult entertainment.

02:13:21.000 But how weird is that?

02:13:23.000 That pornography, like, there was always stag films, right?

02:13:28.000 Like, that was the thing that they used to make, like, in the early days of movies. 0.52

02:13:31.000 They would film people having sex, and you could watch it, like, at a stag party, which was like a bachelor party.

02:13:38.000 But then people tried to make films, like, artistic films that had people having sex in them, which is really interesting that we find that abhorrent.

02:13:52.000 Like, people don't like that in today's society.

02:13:55.000 We don't mind, like, this show from that I was telling you about.

02:13:58.000 Bro, the violence is horrific.

02:14:00.000 The gore and the violence is crazy.

02:14:02.000 That's okay. 1.00

02:14:04.000 Just don't suck someone's dick. 1.00

02:14:05.000 Don't make them come. 1.00

02:14:06.000 That's terrible.

02:14:07.000 Do you remember the movie Bad Bunny?

02:14:09.000 No, not Bad Bunny.

02:14:10.000 Was that Brown Bunny?

02:14:11.000 Brown Bunny.

02:14:11.000 Do you remember the movie Brown Bunny?

02:14:14.000 Brown Bunny was a Vincent Gallo movie that he made.

02:14:18.000 And there was a real sex scene in there. 1.00

02:14:22.000 Like, how do you say that lady's name? 1.00

02:14:24.000 Chloe. 1.00

02:14:27.000 I don't know how you say her name. 1.00

02:14:29.000 She's a really good actress. 1.00

02:14:31.000 And she blows him. 0.99

02:14:33.000 Like, for real in the movie.

02:14:35.000 Like, it's a real scene.

02:14:37.000 And the movie's a real movie, but then when it came to the sex part, they actually did it.

02:14:43.000 And people were horrified.

02:14:45.000 Right.

02:14:47.000 I mean, that's so weird.

02:14:47.000 Yeah.

02:14:49.000 Like, if it was violence, like if it was a scene where she beat him to death with a baseball bat, people would be like, wow, what a crazy movie.

02:14:58.000 Right.

02:14:59.000 But if it was a scene where she blows him, people would be like, this is outrageous. 1.00

02:15:02.000 Outrageous.

02:15:03.000 And I think that movie ruined Vincent Gallo's career.

02:15:07.000 Really?

02:15:07.000 Yeah.

02:15:08.000 Yeah, because Vincent Gallo had been in a bunch of movies.

02:15:10.000 He's a really weird guy, like a very interesting guy.

02:15:13.000 And after that, he kind of dipped away from Hollywood.

02:15:18.000 Like, he kind of vanished in a lot of ways.

02:15:22.000 And that was the big thing.

02:15:23.000 I remember reading these articles on how outraged people were that they had actually seen real sex in a movie.

02:15:30.000 Like, it's so strange that we don't mind violence. 0.99

02:15:33.000 Like, once upon a time in Hollywood, Brad Pitt takes a lady's head and bashes it into a mantelpiece and fucking brains her. 0.99

02:15:40.000 Fine. 1.00

02:15:41.000 No outrage.

02:15:41.000 Fine.

02:15:43.000 Everyone okay?

02:15:44.000 Everyone's okay. 1.00

02:15:45.000 But if he fucked her, like actually pulled her pants down, you see Brad Pitt's penis and her vagina. 1.00

02:15:50.000 You're like, this is crazy. 1.00

02:15:52.000 Something that we all do.

02:15:54.000 Yeah, but the simulation of it is fine too.

02:15:56.000 Right.

02:15:57.000 Simulation of it is fine.

02:15:58.000 Yeah.

02:15:59.000 Like it was a sex scene and you just see his hips and her face and they're kissing. 0.89

02:16:04.000 Fine.

02:16:05.000 As long as you don't see actual sex.

02:16:08.000 Even if it was like him and his wife.

02:16:11.000 Like if he made a movie.

02:16:12.000 With him and his wife, and they decided to have actual sex in the movie. 0.98

02:16:16.000 People would be like, This is disgusting. 1.00

02:16:18.000 Get this fucking smut off the screen. 1.00

02:16:21.000 But if they had a movie with him and his wife and she shoots him, you're like, Okay, that's fine. 1.00

02:16:25.000 Didn't really happen.

02:16:27.000 Weird, right?

02:16:28.000 It is weird.

02:16:29.000 I mean, hell, I did a commercial for, like, I did a shoot for this car, and, like, they couldn't have me in the car while it was moving for insurance purposes.

02:16:39.000 So they had to, like, make it seem like I was in the car while it was moving.

02:16:44.000 Insurance purposes.

02:16:46.000 That's crazy.

02:16:49.000 But that's more of a financial thing.

02:16:53.000 Yeah.

02:16:54.000 But the weirdness about sex, the point is, like, see if you can find that footage of all the people that were in line.

02:17:03.000 There's like an old, there's a YouTube video of an old news report of people in line to see Deep Throat.

02:17:12.000 Right.

02:17:12.000 And again, Johnny Carson was one of them.

02:17:14.000 I think they even interviewed him after the film. 0.99

02:17:17.000 Like they went and watched people fuck and like it was a movie. 0.98

02:17:22.000 Like, you know, you're watching The Joker or something. 0.99

02:17:25.000 Right.

02:17:25.000 Very odd.

02:17:26.000 It is odd.

02:17:28.000 And they got that name Deep Throat from the Watergate.

02:17:32.000 Did they?

02:17:33.000 I thought Deep Throat was afterwards.

02:17:33.000 Yeah.

02:17:39.000 I thought the Watergate thing was after.

02:17:42.000 I don't know.

02:17:43.000 I could be wrong.

02:17:44.000 Chicken or the Egg.

02:17:45.000 Okay, so Watergate was what?

02:17:47.000 74?

02:17:49.000 Was it?

02:17:50.000 It came out in 72.

02:17:51.000 Oh, yeah.

02:17:52.000 So the movie came out first.

02:17:53.000 Okay.

02:17:54.000 And so that was after this.

02:17:56.000 So that's interesting, too, when you think about like 72.

02:18:00.000 Was not that long ago, and people's ideas of pornography were very different back then.

02:18:06.000 A lot of my favorite venues in the country were porno theaters first.

02:18:11.000 Comedy Mothership, bro.

02:18:12.000 Oh, right, yeah.

02:18:13.000 It was a porno theater at one point in time.

02:18:15.000 And, like, people cared about, like, the quality of, like, the audio production in those films, and, like, you know, and these rooms sound really good.

02:18:23.000 Variety Playhouse in Atlanta.

02:18:25.000 It's one of the best scenes in American Werewolf in London.

02:18:28.000 Okay.

02:18:28.000 Do you remember that movie, American Werewolf in London?

02:18:31.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:18:32.000 It's a great fucking movie. 1.00

02:18:33.000 One of the best scenes, they're in the middle of London and they're in an adult movie theater and these people are watching pornography. 1.00

02:18:41.000 They're watching a smut film. 1.00

02:18:43.000 And while these people are fucking, he turns into a werewolf and kills everybody. 1.00

02:18:48.000 I gotta check that out. 1.00

02:18:49.000 Oh, it's great.

02:18:50.000 One of the greatest movies of all time.

02:18:51.000 That wolf that we have in the lobby, that's a recreation of American Werewolf.

02:18:56.000 Okay.

02:18:57.000 That's what that is.

02:18:58.000 The thing with Johnny Carson and Deep Throat, I think, is like a conglomeration memory.

02:19:03.000 Is it?

02:19:04.000 There is a photo of people waiting in line to see the movie.

02:19:04.000 There's a weird.

02:19:08.000 Mm hmm.

02:19:09.000 But it's like this is it on the screen.

02:19:12.000 Mm hmm.

02:19:14.000 But there was a video of Johnny Carson talking about it after the fact during his monologue that he went to see it.

02:19:22.000 Oh, so there wasn't a photo or a video of him at the movie theater?

02:19:25.000 I don't think so, man.

02:19:26.000 I'm looking for it.

02:19:27.000 Because I sort of remember what you're talking about.

02:19:29.000 I think we might have read an article that listed all of this stuff together.

02:19:33.000 Yeah.

02:19:34.000 What was that play where they had like everybody was like naked and it was like really a big deal?

02:19:43.000 Was it like hairspray or something like that?

02:19:45.000 I don't know.

02:19:46.000 In the late 70s, my dad told me him and his friends went to go see this like Broadway production or off Broadway production where like everybody was like nude and it was like this really, you know, it was like this really racy thing.

02:20:01.000 Yeah.

02:20:02.000 And there was a preacher up front just like really just. 0.91

02:20:06.000 Giving him hell, man.

02:20:07.000 And then he got up closer and he realized it was his uncle. 0.52

02:20:10.000 My great uncle was up there. 0.99

02:20:13.000 Just motherfucking him. 0.98

02:20:15.000 That's hilarious. 0.99

02:20:16.000 Widely cited overview.

02:20:19.000 Note that several mainstream celebrities appear to have seen Deep Throat, including Martin Scorsese, Brian De Palma, Truman Capote, Jack Nicholson, Johnny Carson, Spiro Agnew, Frank Sinatra, and others.

02:20:19.000 Many works are quoted.

02:20:30.000 Barbara Walters later mentioned seeing it in her memoir.

02:20:34.000 These references are usually brief, but they're pulled.

02:20:37.000 Into many articles about the film's cultural impact.

02:20:40.000 That's what's so interesting.

02:20:41.000 It's like that is not normal in today's society to even think that a bunch of people would say they went to go see a porn film.

02:20:50.000 I think this is also so Midnight Cowboy, which is where you guys started this 1969, which is before this, and won Best Picture as the first X rated or NC 17 movie.

02:21:02.000 So there started a little bit of a trend then.

02:21:05.000 Interesting.

02:21:05.000 It's only three years later.

02:21:08.000 Why was Midnight Cowboy X rated?

02:21:10.000 The reason?

02:21:11.000 Yeah, like what was so explicit that they had to make it an X?

02:21:18.000 I would say a little bit has to do with marketing, but I don't know if there's a reason.

02:21:23.000 I'll see if this has a reason.

02:21:24.000 Marketing?

02:21:25.000 Yeah, it'd make people want to go see it.

02:21:26.000 Right, I guess.

02:21:27.000 Oh, this is crazy.

02:21:29.000 This movie's crazy.

02:21:30.000 It's not standing out here.

02:21:36.000 Right here.

02:21:38.000 After consulting with a psychologist, they had told to give it a next homosexual frame reference and its possible influence on youngsters.

02:21:46.000 Wow, that's crazy. 1.00

02:21:49.000 Today that would be celebrated.

02:21:51.000 Oh, there's a rape scene? 0.99

02:21:51.000 Right. 0.99

02:21:52.000 I've never seen this movie.

02:21:54.000 I saw it in the 80s.

02:21:57.000 I haven't seen it in forever.

02:21:58.000 Yeah, but even, I mean, like in that film, it's like a distant thought that John Voight's character keeps going back to, like the rape scene.

02:22:09.000 Whereas, like, when was the last time you saw it?

02:22:12.000 A couple months ago, probably. 0.98

02:22:14.000 But, like, fucking The Deliverance just plays on AMC on TV. 0.99

02:22:14.000 Oh, really? 0.99

02:22:20.000 Right, right, which is another rape scene.

02:22:21.000 Nothing's edited out. 1.00

02:22:24.000 Squeal like a pig. 1.00

02:22:26.000 That one fucked me out when I was a kid, I'm not going to lie. 1.00

02:22:28.000 Oh, yeah, very much so. 0.98

02:22:30.000 Not to mention it, like, supposedly took place, like, in the Appalachian, like, backdrop, which is, like, where I grew up. 0.76

02:22:36.000 I was like, that's fucking happening, like, here? 0.98

02:22:40.000 Because of then shocking sexual content, even more importantly, its frank portrayal of homosexuality and hustling. 0.99

02:22:47.000 Hustling meaning having gay sex for money, which the studio and censor saw as potentially corrupting to young viewers. 0.92

02:22:55.000 The film includes scenes and references to male prostitution, homosexual encounters, and brief but explicit situations, including. 0.98

02:23:03.000 Implied oral sex and nudity, which went far beyond what Hollywood had shown in a mainstream drama up to that point.

02:23:10.000 Maybe now it would get just an R, but also that would be with this never existing. 0.92

02:23:16.000 Now it would be celebrated. 0.92

02:23:18.000 It's a film celebrating sex workers.

02:23:22.000 It's weird.

02:23:23.000 It's weird what was, but it's also weird that there was a movie that was an actual porn movie that a bunch of people just went to see and talked about.

02:23:31.000 Like today, people want to pretend they don't even watch porn.

02:23:34.000 Yeah.

02:23:35.000 Meanwhile, I think last check we did.

02:23:38.000 I know we've done this before, Jamie.

02:23:40.000 Like, what percentage of the internet is pornography?

02:23:43.000 Internet traffic?

02:23:45.000 Take a guess at that.

02:23:46.000 I bet it's way more than SSRIs.

02:23:50.000 Right?

02:23:51.000 Don't you think?

02:23:52.000 Yeah, I haven't guessed right so far, so let's see.

02:23:58.000 50%?

02:23:59.000 Oh, wow.

02:23:59.000 I don't think it's that high.

02:24:01.000 I would say 30.

02:24:02.000 Okay.

02:24:03.000 I'd say 30% of the internet, but I could be wrong.

02:24:05.000 I don't remember.

02:24:06.000 30% of the internet traffic is pornography.

02:24:09.000 Let's say that.

02:24:11.000 Maybe it's 40.

02:24:12.000 That's a myth.

02:24:12.000 What's this thing?

02:24:14.000 It's a myth?

02:24:14.000 I don't, I mean, I haven't read through this yet.

02:24:17.000 That's a bunch of people lying about jerking off. 0.94

02:24:18.000 But 30 to 40% thinks it's a myth. 0.99

02:24:20.000 Apparently.

02:24:22.000 Okay.

02:24:23.000 Porn makes up a small share of sites.

02:24:25.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:24:25.000 But traffic.

02:24:26.000 Yeah, it says it.

02:24:28.000 30 to 40%.

02:24:31.000 Wiley stated.

02:24:32.000 But what is the, what about traffic?

02:24:34.000 The amount of internet searches.

02:24:36.000 Yeah, but no, but I mean traffic, like the amount of bandwidth.

02:24:40.000 All right, then it's getting lost in this word because I'd use.

02:24:43.000 No, I used traffic.

02:24:43.000 I used traffic.

02:24:44.000 Yeah, you did.

02:24:46.000 Why do we see higher numbers?

02:24:47.000 See, 37% of the internet is porn.

02:24:50.000 BBC reported tracing one of these popular figures back to single content filter company press release, not an independent audited measurement.

02:24:58.000 Some advocacy.

02:25:00.000 I bet now, today, because of YouTube and the amount of streaming that goes on with Instagram and TikTok, I bet it probably isn't as high as it used to be, the percentage-wise, because there's so much more content that's being streamed now than ever before.

02:25:17.000 Porn related searches are 13% on the web and 20% on mobile devices.

02:25:21.000 That's funny.

02:25:22.000 It's more on mobile devices because people can hide in the toilet.

02:25:28.000 The content filter company.

02:25:30.000 Okay.

02:25:30.000 The claim comes from this.

02:25:31.000 Yeah, we read that.

02:25:32.000 We already read that.

02:25:33.000 So it could be just made up to begin with.

02:25:35.000 Yeah, it could be.

02:25:36.000 But there's got to be like a number of like the internet traffic.

02:25:40.000 I don't know how you'd get that number.

02:25:41.000 So some advocacy or internet safety groups cite very high traffic shares and storage figures.

02:25:47.000 Example, nearly a third of all internet traffic.

02:25:50.000 But these are rough, sometimes opaque estimates rather than peer reviewed measurements.

02:25:56.000 Hmm.

02:25:57.000 Okay.

02:25:58.000 So it's at least 4%.

02:26:00.000 So it says roughly websites, 4 to 12%.

02:26:05.000 That's a lot. 0.63

02:26:06.000 Just 4 to 12% of the whole internet is jerk off websites. 0.77

02:26:10.000 That's crazy.

02:26:13.000 But the volume in terms of the amount of bandwidth used.

02:26:17.000 Right.

02:26:20.000 But.

02:26:21.000 I bet if you went and watched Deep Throat today, it'd probably be pretty pedestrian.

02:26:25.000 It'd be tamed.

02:26:26.000 Yeah.

02:26:26.000 It probably would seem.

02:26:28.000 Just like softcore, almost.

02:26:29.000 Right.

02:26:30.000 Like one of them Showtime late night movies.

02:26:30.000 Yeah.

02:26:33.000 Yeah.

02:26:34.000 I mean, it is something that I, you know, I like to save all that, you know, when I get home off the road, see my wife.

02:26:45.000 You know, there's something to that.

02:26:45.000 Yeah.

02:26:47.000 That it had originally. 1.00

02:26:49.000 The woman had an unusual birth defect that came from a doctor who has an unorthodox solution to make the best of her situation.

02:26:56.000 Is that it?

02:26:57.000 Is that the deep throat?

02:26:59.000 Yes.

02:27:00.000 Well, that she could just take it.

02:27:01.000 Birth defect? 0.99

02:27:02.000 Balls deep downward to her chin. 0.98

02:27:05.000 That guy, Harry Reams, he was like one of the first famous male porn stars.

02:27:09.000 I think he went on to be a real estate salesman or something. 0.98

02:27:14.000 Like, if you're one of those people that gets famous fucking, that has got to be a very weird. 0.99

02:27:20.000 Is that where the porn mustache comes from? 1.00

02:27:21.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

02:27:22.000 Got it.

02:27:23.000 Oh, yeah.

02:27:24.000 He had a crazy stash.

02:27:26.000 1947.

02:27:27.000 Wow.

02:27:28.000 What's he up to these days?

02:27:29.000 He passed away.

02:27:31.000 Yeah.

02:27:31.000 Did he?

02:27:31.000 When did he pass away?

02:27:32.000 2013.

02:27:33.000 Wow.

02:27:34.000 Didn't live that long. 1.00

02:27:37.000 All that fucking wasted all his jizz. 1.00

02:27:40.000 I bet he shaved off his mustache and he was just anonymous. 1.00

02:27:42.000 He just drifted in and out of traffic.

02:27:44.000 Nobody even noticed him.

02:27:46.000 Right.

02:27:46.000 You know?

02:27:48.000 Weird life having sex with people on camera. 0.86

02:27:50.000 Should we add that to the wall? 0.98

02:27:51.000 Oh, look at that.

02:27:52.000 No one's got arrested.

02:27:53.000 I wonder what he got arrested to.

02:27:55.000 If we add it to the wall, probably for indecent something.

02:27:59.000 Yeah, we should add that to the wall. 1.00

02:28:00.000 Memphis.

02:28:02.000 You got to be up to some no good to get arrested in Memphis.

02:28:05.000 What did he get arrested for? 1.00

02:28:08.000 Too much dick. 0.99

02:28:10.000 It says his appearance in Deep Throat led to his arrest by FBI agents in Memphis. 0.99

02:28:14.000 Charges of conspiracy to distribute obscenity across state lines.

02:28:18.000 Whoa.

02:28:20.000 Whoa.

02:28:21.000 He called it forum shopping, but I don't.

02:28:23.000 What does that mean?

02:28:25.000 Forum shopping?

02:28:26.000 A colloquial term for the practice of litigants taking actions to have their legal case heard in the court they believe is most out to.

02:28:33.000 Give him a good judgment.

02:28:36.000 They're trying to get him convicted, I guess.

02:28:38.000 Trying to make an example of him.

02:28:39.000 So they found a court that would take the case.

02:28:40.000 Like for obscenity?

02:28:42.000 Yeah, and then they were returned to the Supreme Court.

02:28:45.000 Miller v. California.

02:28:46.000 Reams is granted a new trial.

02:28:48.000 Charges were dropped in August.

02:28:49.000 Wow.

02:28:50.000 So they just.

02:28:51.000 Defense argues the first act to ever be prosecuted by the federal government for appearing in a film. 0.99

02:28:55.000 It's like the Lenny Bruce of slinging dick. 0.96

02:28:58.000 And then all these people got behind him. 0.99

02:29:01.000 Shirley McLean, Warren Beatty, Richard Dreyfus.

02:29:01.000 Very.

02:29:04.000 They all got behind him.

02:29:05.000 Jack Nicholson.

02:29:07.000 Ben Gazzara.

02:29:08.000 Wow.

02:29:09.000 Dick Cavett.

02:29:10.000 He was in Greece.

02:29:12.000 That's the coach.

02:29:13.000 Wow.

02:29:14.000 He was in the movie Greece, the musical?

02:29:17.000 What?

02:29:18.000 In 1978, out of fear his notoriety would jeopardize the film's block, he was replaced.

02:29:24.000 Oh, he was cast and he was replaced by Sid Caesar.

02:29:27.000 That's hilarious.

02:29:29.000 Wow.

02:29:30.000 In 1982, after an eight year hiatus from porn, Reems returned to the industry and performed in the film Society Affairs and reportedly received a six figure salary.

02:29:43.000 How weird.

02:29:45.000 Weird.

02:29:47.000 It is.

02:29:47.000 The whole pornography thing is very strange.

02:29:50.000 Because, like, people want to watch other people have sex because people like having sex. 0.51

02:29:55.000 But it's like.

02:29:58.000 But you can't talk about it. 0.99

02:29:59.000 But, you know, if you say you like it, people are like, fuck, what's wrong with you? 0.99

02:30:03.000 And then they watch it. 0.98

02:30:04.000 But if we could destigmatize it and, like, not give people unrealistic ideas of what happens in the bedroom and noted as something that is entertainment, you know?

02:30:16.000 I think the fear is that the women that are in it, for the rest of their life, they're always going to be thought of a certain way.

02:30:24.000 And the men skate.

02:30:25.000 They don't really have a like this, they're thought as CD, but they don't thought as like you know, girls that got used.

02:30:34.000 Well, I think what's gonna get weird is AI porn because then you can watch porn and there's no victims, right? 1.00

02:30:41.000 There's no person you feel bad for, like oh, that poor girl, everyone's gonna know that she sucked dick on camera, she took it in the ass on camera. 0.99

02:30:49.000 It's not a real person, so then maybe you can watch that and remove any kind of victim. 1.00

02:30:56.000 Yeah, I don't know. 0.99

02:30:58.000 People are fucking weird. 0.99

02:30:59.000 People are weird. 1.00

02:31:00.000 I'll tell you one thing I've never tried, and I'm not going to.

02:31:03.000 I don't want it.

02:31:04.000 Nope.

02:31:04.000 Not going to do it.

02:31:05.000 Is VR porn.

02:31:07.000 Because Duncan told me, dude, have you ever seen VR porn? 0.99

02:31:10.000 It's fucking amazing. 0.99

02:31:12.000 Like, not going to do it. 1.00

02:31:14.000 I'm not going to sit there with fucking goggles on, jacket off. 0.99

02:31:17.000 Joe hasn't left his house in about six months. 0.99

02:31:21.000 I mean, you imagine you're watching porn and the people are fucking 20 feet high in front of you and they're bagging. 0.98

02:31:27.000 And if you can move around in it, like you can move around in other VR, you can get really close to watch the Dick goes in there. 0.96

02:31:36.000 That's one thing I haven't tried either. 0.83

02:31:38.000 VR porn? 0.87

02:31:38.000 Good for you. 0.87

02:31:39.000 Stay away.

02:31:40.000 VR in general is weird.

02:31:42.000 You know what's really great though is VR games.

02:31:45.000 Have you ever done any VR games?

02:31:47.000 You know what Sandbox is?

02:31:48.000 You ever heard of Sandbox?

02:31:50.000 Sandbox, they have one in Austin.

02:31:53.000 They had one in Woodland Hills right down the street from our old studio in LA.

02:31:57.000 And it is a place where you go. 0.85

02:32:00.000 It's like a big ass warehouse.

02:32:02.000 And you go to these rooms in the warehouse and they have fans set up and it's all. 0.84

02:32:07.000 Like these walls, like it's all boundaries.

02:32:10.000 They put a haptic feedback vest on you and goggles and they give you rifles and the plastic rifles.

02:32:17.000 And then you get dropped into this virtual reality world where you fight zombies. 1.00

02:32:21.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

02:32:22.000 It's fucking dope. 1.00

02:32:24.000 Dude, it's nuts. 1.00

02:32:26.000 When the zombies attack you, they run at you, they claw you, you see blood splatter in front of your eyes and you gun them down. 1.00

02:32:32.000 It's fucking crazy. 0.99

02:32:33.000 There's one called Deadwood Mansion. 1.00

02:32:35.000 That's my favorite.

02:32:37.000 And the Deadwood Man.

02:32:38.000 There's a couple different Deadwood games.

02:32:40.000 I think there's two or three now.

02:32:44.000 I think there's three.

02:32:45.000 I think there's three.

02:32:46.000 There's three zombie games that you could play.

02:32:49.000 That's a good one.

02:32:49.000 Three different ones?

02:32:50.000 No, it's here.

02:32:51.000 Here.

02:32:51.000 They have one in Austin.

02:32:53.000 Yeah, it's out at The Domain.

02:32:57.000 Yeah, it's out at The Domain. 0.97

02:32:58.000 It's fucking so fun. 0.93

02:33:00.000 My family hates it because they get sick, and that's all I ever want to do. 0.99

02:33:04.000 So on Father's Day, I make everybody shoot zombies with me.

02:33:08.000 Like, it's Father's Day.

02:33:09.000 What do you want to do? 1.00

02:33:10.000 Shoot zombies. 1.00

02:33:11.000 Like, no. 0.99

02:33:12.000 Like, come on.

02:33:13.000 We have to do it.

02:33:14.000 Yeah.

02:33:15.000 Once you do it, it's fun.

02:33:17.000 Father's Day's coming up.

02:33:18.000 Tournament?

02:33:20.000 At one point in time, I had the number three score in the country at killing zombies.

02:33:20.000 Okay.

02:33:26.000 Yeah, I went ham one day. 0.99

02:33:27.000 One day I was just locked the fuck in. 0.98

02:33:30.000 And the key is, I'm going to give you guys a pro tip. 0.98

02:33:33.000 If you're doing Deadwood Mansion, get the shotgun.

02:33:36.000 The shotgun is overpowered.

02:33:38.000 The shotgun kills more things than anything else.

02:33:41.000 It's way better at it.

02:33:42.000 But the game is nuts, man. 1.00

02:33:44.000 I mean, there's zombie rats that come running at you, there's fucking people that are. 0.99

02:33:49.000 Are attached to the walls and they shoot down their tongue and wrap it around your neck and they're pulling on you. 0.99

02:33:55.000 Show them a clip of it.

02:33:57.000 It's crazy. 1.00

02:33:59.000 It is a fucking. 1.00

02:34:01.000 It's really fun, dude. 1.00

02:34:02.000 You'll love it.

02:34:03.000 I'm going to take the band to do that.

02:34:04.000 Yeah, that's what you could do.

02:34:06.000 You could do it like six people.

02:34:08.000 You just go in there and.

02:34:10.000 It's a good one.

02:34:11.000 I bet they have multiple.

02:34:13.000 I only know of these two of Austin and LA.

02:34:17.000 The other one I pulled up is in Atlanta.

02:34:19.000 Oh, there's one in Atlanta?

02:34:20.000 Yeah, they have to have them all over the place.

02:34:22.000 I don't know.

02:34:23.000 I have no idea why it's not everywhere because it's so fun.

02:34:27.000 It's one of the most fun things you could do with your friends.

02:34:30.000 We've done it, my wife and I have done it on double dates.

02:34:33.000 Like, you go do that and then you go have dinner.

02:34:35.000 It's great, man.

02:34:37.000 It's great.

02:34:38.000 It's really fun.

02:34:39.000 They got a ton of locations now. 0.99

02:34:41.000 Oh, shit. 0.99

02:34:42.000 They're all over the place now. 1.00

02:34:43.000 Yeah, that's great.

02:34:46.000 See if you can find a video of Deadwood Mansion.

02:34:49.000 Oh, Deadwood Phobia.

02:34:49.000 Yeah.

02:34:50.000 Oh, that's the newest one.

02:34:51.000 That's the third one.

02:34:52.000 Oh, there's a Squid Games one.

02:34:54.000 We've done that one too.

02:34:55.000 The Stranger Things one.

02:34:58.000 They have so many different ones.

02:34:59.000 Deadwood Valley.

02:35:00.000 That's another one that's really good.

02:35:03.000 The Deadwood Valley one.

02:35:04.000 Do they have a.

02:35:05.000 Yeah, here we go.

02:35:06.000 So check this out.

02:35:08.000 So this is what happens.

02:35:09.000 You get dropped off into this city, and the zombies are there.

02:35:15.000 And so this is.

02:35:16.000 This is you.

02:35:17.000 It's like.

02:35:18.000 It's cut between you with the guns, and then like.

02:35:20.000 This is what you see.

02:35:21.000 This is what it looks like.

02:35:23.000 So, but.

02:35:24.000 This is more like a video, like showing you what it looks like on the outside.

02:35:29.000 But when you're in it, I wish they would show you what it looks like.

02:35:32.000 That's what it looks like when you're in it.

02:35:35.000 And these dudes are chasing after you, and you're gunning them down.

02:35:39.000 It's really fun.

02:35:41.000 But again, there's a bunch of games that you can do that survive the horrors.

02:35:50.000 You got to save the heroes.

02:35:52.000 There's people in there that you have to save, and there's other people that you have to kill.

02:35:56.000 It's dope.

02:35:57.000 Is really fun.

02:35:58.000 That's badass.

02:36:00.000 So that's a good use of VR. 1.00

02:36:02.000 Don't be looking at 10 foot vaginas. 1.00

02:36:06.000 Go kill fake zombies. 1.00

02:36:08.000 You get stuck on a train, and as the train's running down the tracks, they're jumping onto the train and trying to get you. 0.99

02:36:13.000 You have to gun them down.

02:36:14.000 It's really fun.

02:36:15.000 That seems like something I could get into.

02:36:18.000 I never played any video games growing up.

02:36:20.000 Really?

02:36:21.000 That's crazy.

02:36:22.000 How old are you?

02:36:23.000 30.

02:36:24.000 How's that possible?

02:36:25.000 I mean, I just never had much interest in them.

02:36:28.000 Like when I was young, um, I don't know.

02:36:32.000 Do your friends play video games?

02:36:36.000 By the rest of the band, they all play.

02:36:39.000 And you just say, nah, not interested.

02:36:41.000 I was just never really into it, man.

02:36:42.000 Well, this is different than a regular video game.

02:36:45.000 This is very physical.

02:36:46.000 You're running around.

02:36:47.000 You're in a room that's bigger than this room.

02:36:50.000 And you have your haptic feedback.

02:36:51.000 You also have fans that blow air at you. 0.99

02:36:56.000 It's also to cool you off, too, because it gets hot as fuck. 0.98

02:36:58.000 You have this vest on. 0.98

02:36:58.000 And you're running around. 0.98

02:37:00.000 And when you get grabbed, the vest vibrates.

02:37:02.000 You feel it.

02:37:04.000 That's sick.

02:37:05.000 Oh, yeah.

02:37:05.000 It's really fun.

02:37:06.000 But it's probably good that you never got into video games because they're so time intensive.

02:37:10.000 They rob you of your life.

02:37:11.000 You think golf robs you of your life?

02:37:14.000 You don't have to leave the house to play video games.

02:37:16.000 Look at Jamie over there.

02:37:17.000 How often do you play video games, Jamie?

02:37:19.000 Not that often.

02:37:20.000 No?

02:37:20.000 No.

02:37:21.000 I thought you were a junkie.

02:37:22.000 I actually haven't played in weeks.

02:37:24.000 Ooh, maybe.

02:37:25.000 But you were hooked for a while, right?

02:37:28.000 It's a fun. 0.97

02:37:29.000 As I'm thinking in my head, I'm like, I grew up playing video games, but I also wish I was fucking sick at guitar. 0.97

02:37:34.000 So there's a fucking trade off there. 0.96

02:37:38.000 And most people I know who are sick at guitar aren't good at video games or play them. 0.99

02:37:42.000 That's a very good point.

02:37:43.000 I did make an effort.

02:37:45.000 Like, uh,.

02:37:47.000 A year or two ago, I got a PS5 and I got Red Dead Redemption. 0.96

02:37:50.000 I was like, I'm going to fucking do it. 0.75

02:37:52.000 I'm going to play this game. 0.98

02:37:54.000 And I just got, I was like, I feel like I'm just doing chores.

02:37:58.000 And I asked my drummer, he was like, Yeah, that's pretty much what it is.

02:38:00.000 Oh, Red Dead Redemption?

02:38:01.000 Yeah.

02:38:03.000 You got to play something like a first person shooter.

02:38:06.000 You know, play like Quake or something like that.

02:38:08.000 Like, what's the big first person shooter that the kids played today, Jamie?

02:38:12.000 I made Fortnite, really.

02:38:13.000 Fortnite?

02:38:14.000 Fortnite is still.

02:38:15.000 Boy, Fortnite's been around forever.

02:38:16.000 When my kids were in grade school, Fortnite was big.

02:38:21.000 Yep, and they just made some weird.

02:38:23.000 I stopped paying attention, but Star Wars is now in Fortnite, and the games that they made for Star Wars are just like, nope, it's just in this thing now.

02:38:31.000 You can just play it in here.

02:38:32.000 Wow.

02:38:33.000 Really?

02:38:33.000 Yeah, and it's like they download Stormtroopers and lightsabers.

02:38:38.000 Whoa.

02:38:39.000 Yeah, my nephews are always hitting me for what do they call that?

02:38:42.000 Like Fortnite bucks or V bucks.

02:38:44.000 V bucks.

02:38:45.000 V bucks.

02:38:46.000 They want V bucks so they can play more.

02:38:48.000 Yeah, there's Robux.

02:38:50.000 My kids were always into Robux.

02:38:51.000 For Roblox, so you could buy things in Roblox.

02:38:54.000 But apparently, now there's like pedophiles have gotten into Roblox.

02:38:59.000 They try to message people.

02:39:00.000 They ruin everything.

02:39:01.000 They do.

02:39:03.000 They do.

02:39:04.000 Creeps ruin everything.

02:39:05.000 But there's some very fun video games that you shouldn't ever do because it'll fuck with all the other things you do.

02:39:11.000 Like not getting into golf, not getting into video games.

02:39:15.000 Again, Jamie's dead right.

02:39:16.000 That's probably why you're so sick of guitar.

02:39:21.000 You can make a guitar gently weep.

02:39:22.000 I can lie.

02:39:24.000 Well, there's other things like.

02:39:26.000 There's certain games we can play guitar, like Guitar Hero. 0.97

02:39:29.000 That's not the fucking same. 0.98

02:39:31.000 No, no, no. 0.98

02:39:32.000 But haven't people learned how to play guitar, an actual guitar, because of Guitar Hero?

02:39:36.000 There's a game, there's technically a game, it's like a training aid called Rocksmith, which is a way you actually have a guitar and it's plugged into it, not on run.

02:39:44.000 That's cool.

02:39:45.000 Guitar Hero, you're just hitting five buttons.

02:39:47.000 Oh, that's cool.

02:39:48.000 Red to red, blue to blue.

02:39:49.000 And that's a timing thing, but no transfer.

02:39:53.000 It doesn't.

02:39:54.000 Oh.

02:39:55.000 But I would imagine that a game that would teach you how to play guitar.

02:39:59.000 With an actual guitar would be dope.

02:40:01.000 Like, if you got, like, you know, like these games, like the sandbox game Deadwood Mansion, you get a gun.

02:40:09.000 And if you got really good, like Staccato has a VR gun game.

02:40:14.000 Staccato, they make pistols, and there's a VR gun game, and you get a plastic staccato.

02:40:22.000 And when you're playing this game, like, you're actually pointing the trigger, and when you pull the trigger, there's actually like a muzzle jump.

02:40:29.000 So your reticle actually jumps up.

02:40:31.000 And down a little, your red dot jumps up and down a little bit. 0.73

02:40:35.000 That would be exactly like it would do if you actually shot a gun.

02:40:38.000 So they have to like re center it bang, bang, bang.

02:40:41.000 And so you could run around doing things and shoot stuff and shoot targets.

02:40:45.000 That's here too?

02:40:46.000 Yeah.

02:40:47.000 But that's a game that you can get for like meta VR goggles, like consumer VR goggles.

02:40:53.000 And so you doing that could get better at shooting guns.

02:40:57.000 But it's the same shape, the same form.

02:41:03.000 It's a plastic gun.

02:41:05.000 Gun.

02:41:05.000 I mean, what they really should do is make one of those things with the weight of an actual steel gun so that you're accustomed to the actual feel of the thing.

02:41:14.000 And then, oh, God, why can't they do that?

02:41:14.000 Yeah.

02:41:17.000 They should be able to do that.

02:41:18.000 Maybe we'll talk to them.

02:41:21.000 But if you did that, like, that would be a skill that would actually transfer over.

02:41:25.000 So if they could do that with a guitar, if they could figure out a way to attach, like, computer sensors to an actual real guitar.

02:41:33.000 This is Rocksmith.

02:41:34.000 This is, uh, There's levels of it.

02:41:37.000 You can slow it down.

02:41:39.000 And what are you playing?

02:41:40.000 Real songs.

02:41:41.000 You pick the song.

02:41:42.000 They're all real songs.

02:41:43.000 Right, but what is the interface?

02:41:45.000 A guitar.

02:41:46.000 Oh, an actual guitar?

02:41:47.000 Yeah, it's plugged in with a USB cable to the computer.

02:41:50.000 Oh, it's their virtual guitar?

02:41:52.000 No, no.

02:41:53.000 This is just.

02:41:54.000 I showed you what it looks like on the game.

02:41:58.000 Right.

02:41:59.000 But it looks like an actual guitar.

02:42:01.000 It's a real.

02:42:01.000 Whatever guitar you want to play.

02:42:03.000 It's your guitar.

02:42:05.000 It's not a fake guitar.

02:42:08.000 Oh.

02:42:08.000 Guitars are just.

02:42:09.000 Things that vibrate strings and expel.

02:42:12.000 Oh, dude, that's dope.

02:42:13.000 Expel a digital sound thing.

02:42:16.000 That is dope.

02:42:17.000 But I think after a while you'd have to abandon that.

02:42:20.000 Right.

02:42:21.000 But yeah, he's good at guitar.

02:42:23.000 I mean, he said he'd learn this.

02:42:24.000 Did you learn by lessons or did you just learn by playing?

02:42:28.000 So initially I just learned by just sitting around the house, watching cartoons, playing guitar.

02:42:35.000 My grandfather would teach me something, he'd give me like a project basically.

02:42:40.000 Or my dad would leave me a record to listen to.

02:42:43.000 And it was just his old record collection.

02:42:45.000 So a lot of Allman Brothers band, a lot of Skinner, Marshall Tucker band, that kind of thing.

02:42:51.000 And then I would just sit at home all day and just go over it.

02:42:55.000 And then later when I was in high school, I studied jazz theory with Steve Watson.

02:43:03.000 It was like a vocational school for the arts.

02:43:06.000 It was called the Fine Arts Center in Greenville, South Carolina.

02:43:09.000 And I'd go there in the afternoons and study jazz theory.

02:43:16.000 Which was really beneficial because it's good to put a vocabulary to the things that you kind of knew, but you didn't know how to quite name it.

02:43:26.000 Right.

02:43:27.000 Just kind of learning the vocabulary, learning what the things are called, and then expanding upon that.

02:43:37.000 Yeah.

02:43:37.000 Music theory is a valuable tool.

02:43:40.000 Yeah.

02:43:42.000 Does it help you in writing songs?

02:43:44.000 It can.

02:43:46.000 It helps in like, like in Nashville, they use something called the Nashville number system.

02:43:46.000 Yeah.

02:43:51.000 So, like, you go into a session and, like, it's all based off of the major scale.

02:43:56.000 So, like, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven.

02:44:00.000 And then the eight is just the octave of the one, right?

02:44:03.000 So they'll say, like, we got a one, four, five, you know?

02:44:08.000 And it just represents what the chords are.

02:44:11.000 Yeah.

02:44:13.000 Wow.

02:44:15.000 This is where math and stuff gets really interesting.

02:44:18.000 You go down this rabbit hole forever.

02:44:22.000 You could bring a Terrence Howard back in here.

02:44:24.000 We could start getting into some weird stuff.

02:44:26.000 Honestly, and then you could bring in ancient Egypt, and so this is all vibrations, and you could probably translate hieroglyphs into some of this music theory stuff. 0.95

02:44:33.000 It's fucking weird.

02:44:35.000 Terrence Howard trying to find the one in a beat that's hilarious. 0.98

02:44:39.000 But the first time I used a number system was with Auerbeck.

02:44:43.000 Oh, really?

02:44:44.000 Yeah.

02:44:45.000 Because Dan, his house band for a long time was the remaining members of the Memphis Boys who played on like.

02:44:52.000 Son of a Preacher Man by Dusty Springfield.

02:44:54.000 Oh, wow.

02:44:55.000 And like Suspicious Minds, that kind of thing.

02:44:59.000 Gene Crispin, 80 years old, playing drums.

02:45:02.000 Bobby Wood, keyboard player, Billy Sanford.

02:45:05.000 And his second session in Nashville was Pretty Woman, and he wrote the riff.

02:45:11.000 So I walk in, I was early to the session, and they were still finishing up their first session of the day, which was John Prine.

02:45:18.000 And I walked in, and it was just like, whoa.

02:45:22.000 Wow. 0.98

02:45:23.000 Dan was like, tell Marcus to get his ass in here and play some slide guitar. 0.98

02:45:27.000 So they threw a chart in front of me. 0.97

02:45:29.000 I just had to pretend I knew what was going on, you know.

02:45:32.000 That's where you got to rely on your ear.

02:45:36.000 But it's conversational, too.

02:45:38.000 Like, if you don't really know what's going on, like, you don't want to say much.

02:45:42.000 Yeah.

02:45:43.000 Right.

02:45:44.000 That's fascinating, man.

02:45:46.000 I'm scared of music.

02:45:49.000 Not really, but I'm scared of practicing it.

02:45:51.000 I'm scared of learning it because I just feel like it would be very rewarding.

02:45:56.000 And I'd get very obsessed.

02:45:56.000 It is.

02:45:59.000 Yeah.

02:46:00.000 Something to it.

02:46:01.000 Yeah.

02:46:02.000 Well, listen, man, I'm glad there's people out there like you doing it.

02:46:05.000 Man, I'm just thankful.

02:46:08.000 Well, that's the best attitude to have.

02:46:11.000 That's what I think.

02:46:12.000 I think gratitude is the best attitude to have.

02:46:15.000 Anyone that's doing what they actually want to do, what's going to propel you forward and keep it going is probably gratitude.

02:46:23.000 Just be happy that you're able to do one of the coolest fucking things in the world for a living. 0.83

02:46:29.000 Kind of amazing. 1.00

02:46:32.000 And don't be an asshole. 1.00

02:46:33.000 Don't be an asshole. 1.00

02:46:34.000 That's it. 1.00

02:46:34.000 You'd be surprised how hard it is to follow that one. 1.00

02:46:37.000 A lot of people fail.

02:46:37.000 I know, right?

02:46:39.000 Well, thank you, Marcus.

02:46:40.000 Thanks for being here, brother.

02:46:41.000 It was fun.

02:46:41.000 I enjoyed it.

02:46:42.000 Thanks for having me.

02:46:43.000 Oh.

02:46:43.000 What's that?

02:46:44.000 Thanks for having me.

02:46:45.000 Let's do it again.

02:46:45.000 Anytime.

02:46:46.000 All right.

02:46:47.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - May 14, 2026

Joe Rogan Experience #2499 - Marcus King

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