00:00:47.000How did you get involved in this mystery of people going missing?
00:00:54.000So I'd already written a couple of books, and I was at Yosemite National Park doing some research on another topic, and two rangers are following me around.
00:01:07.000And I went back to my room that was at the park.
00:01:12.000And about an hour and a half later, one of the Rangers comes to my room and he's in plain clothes and he knocks on my door and he says, hey, Dave, I'm Ranger so-and-so.
00:01:36.000About an hour and a half later, his partner shows up at the door.
00:01:39.000And they said that they've worked at different parks over the years.
00:01:43.000And while they were working at those parks, there were missing people.
00:01:46.000And he said, at the beginning, there was a lot of publicity, a lot of people interested, a lot of activity.
00:01:54.000And then with time, within about 10, 15 days, all of that would end.
00:02:00.000And he said, we got concerned and we did a Freedom of Information Act against our own agency to get the reports and we couldn't get the reports.
00:02:09.000And then we did a Freedom of Information Act request on other cases, and we couldn't get the reports.
00:02:15.000And we got concerned because after that initial 10, 14 day period of searching is all over, there's nothing else that happens.
00:02:49.000He thought that there were too many people going missing, there wasn't enough follow-up being done, and nobody seemed to care.
00:02:49.000He thought that there were too many people going missing.
00:02:52.000There wasn't enough follow-up being done.
00:02:57.000So if you were being pragmatic and you weren't like diving into mysteries and the stuff that I like, the fun stuff, you would say, well, they don't have any resources, you know?
00:03:08.000There's not enough people to go looking.
00:03:10.000When you think about the actual square miles that you would have to cover to find a body, And then also the reality of predators and all these different animals that are going to eat bodies.
00:03:20.000If a body's there, there's not going to be much left.
00:03:23.000You spent, obviously, you spent time in the woods.
00:03:25.000Have you ever seen a dead mountain lion?
00:04:06.000But one thing I learned from being around Rangers in all these years now is that there's few things that belong to us that we go into the woods with that are always going to be there.
00:04:34.000And those things you're going to find.
00:04:37.000But getting back to the point of these guys, there were too many people going missing in a short period of time that no one seemed to care about.
00:04:56.000And maybe somebody from the outside, they're the inside, maybe somebody from the outside would have more luck putting this all together rather than them.
00:08:13.000There's a whole segment of people that I have chronicled that were truck drivers who have amnesia, who were found in conditions that were very strange.
00:08:25.000There was a truck driver in the Midwest where.
00:08:29.000Salt of the earth kind of guy drove, drove independently, wife and a couple kids.
00:09:25.000But, Joe, I have 1,500 of those cases where canines were brought in, multiple canine teams, multiple searches, and people were not found.
00:09:37.000And the point I try to make about this is that it's not that the searchers are inept, because I don't believe that.
00:09:44.000And I don't believe that the canines fail multiple, multiple times, because I don't believe that can happen.
00:09:51.000I don't believe they were there when they were searching, they were left there later on.
00:09:57.000And so you've been into this for a long time, right?
00:10:02.000What was the first case that you looked into that got you thinking that something weird's going on?
00:10:08.000Probably would have been at Yosemite, and there was a girl named Stacy Aris.
00:10:14.000And she, just weirdly, she grew up like five miles from me.
00:10:20.000I grew up in a little city, Cupertino, California.
00:10:23.000She grew up in Saratoga, the next town over.
00:10:26.000She went with her dad on a trip by horse, sponsored by a contractor in the park at Yosemite, and they were going to ride into this place called the High Sierra Camp.
00:10:38.000Her and her dad, and five other people.
00:10:40.000And they get Escorted in by a cowboy contractor, and they come to these cabins.
00:16:27.000They don't like this guy coming along and asking for information.
00:16:30.000But you think there's something weird going on.
00:16:34.000So, FOIA I found on their website that was sent to him in 2011.
00:16:39.000It says that the appeal was properly invoked because of exemptions 7A.
00:16:48.000And here's, I'll let you read that, what that is.
00:16:51.0007A permits the withholding of records of information complied with.
00:16:55.000Or compiled rather for law enforcement purposes, but only to the extent that the production of such law enforcement records or information could reasonably be expected to interfere with enforcement proceedings.
00:17:07.000So they could withhold it because you could interfere with enforcement proceedings?
00:18:00.000It has a classification as a missing person.
00:18:03.000And what they're not saying there is what about the other 40 cases I've already gotten from them that are since that that are missing person cases?
00:18:48.000I have 1,200 to 1,500 cases where they bring a canine to find a missing person and the dog can't track, won't track, or turns around, comes down and sits down and is not interested in tracking.
00:19:02.000That's totally outside the behavior of a dog.
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00:26:28.000So, at about the same time, the Air Force Base in Cheyenne is having a group of cluster UFO sightings above the ICBM sites.
00:26:39.000And that was never made public at this time.
00:26:43.000It was 30, 40, 50 years later through Robert Hastings.
00:26:49.000And other Air Force personnel came out that these documents started to show up.
00:26:53.000So Carl would have never known what was happening at the same time these things in Cheyenne were happening.
00:27:02.000And then you think about what's going on in Wyoming that would cause this.
00:27:05.000But really, the epiphany to me with Carl is there's a lot of people in the woods that are found, quote unquote, they fell.
00:27:14.000They always fall alone, and they always fall in places where if you and I are in the woods, We're going to be pretty careful when we're alone.
00:27:21.000We're not going to be walking off a cliff.
00:28:02.000Nobody else but German that have disappeared in that area.
00:28:06.000And then when you look at the scope of what I've done in my work, I went backwards and I found there's a lot of German people that have been abducted, more than the normal population of people.
00:28:21.000And these German hunters really were the opening valve to me that something odd was happening with German.
00:29:09.000It, You know, he was taken aboard some sort of a craft.
00:29:13.000Multiple witnesses, including people who hated him, one guy who he actually got in a fist fight with earlier that day, and they all told the same story.
00:29:43.000In Phoenix, and he brought his son to the conference because the son wanted to meet me because a lot of my work focused around things that happened to Travis.
00:29:53.000And I think Travis's case is probably not unique, and there's probably thousands of people out there that just don't want to talk about it.
00:30:41.000Also, the fact that he went missing in the woods and then showed up multiple days later, there's nothing wrong with him, he's not dehydrated.
00:35:24.000If you're going to abduct someone and be reasonably sure that no one was going to see you do it, you would probably go where there's very few people and just some random guy who's decided to hike up to 10,000 feet and chase a herd of elk.
00:35:42.000Another thing I've heard from Carl is that he was told that these entities, whoever they are, have the ability to freeze time and space.
00:36:41.000We burn things and push stuff out the back and it makes stuff go forward.
00:36:46.000Or we have an internal combustion engine that does the same thing it makes explosions inside the engine, burns things, pushes the pistons around, forces the transmission, and it moves.
00:36:59.000These things supposedly do, and again, this is all just crazy talk, but what they're able to do is manipulate space time itself and instantaneously travel from one place to the next because they have a control over the universe in a way that, with us, it's like completely theoretical.
00:37:19.000Like, there's this woman that speculates that in the future, someday, you know, with many, many, many advancements and who knows how many years of, we will be able to travel quantumly, like the way.
00:37:33.000She believes that perhaps the entire universe works that way and that everything is connected, and that this thing that we have this idea that the distance between stars is far too vast for a human to travel because you can't travel past the speed of light.
00:37:52.000And if you did travel past the speed of light, it would still take you know, even if you went like two times the speed of light or three times the speed of light, it would still take thousands and thousands of years to just get to the closest planets outside of our solar system.
00:38:05.000And she thinks that one day, perhaps, if not humans or whatever's coming after humans, we'll be able to quantumly travel.
00:38:15.000And you would imagine that would involve some sort of manipulation of space and time that we can't quite understand.
00:38:26.000We're just talking about it like it's magic.
00:38:28.000But again, if you were talking to someone from the 1400s about a cell phone, hey, I can FaceTime my friend in Australia.
00:38:36.000They'd go, what the fuck are you talking about?
00:38:39.000Well, I pick out this device in my pocket that's as thin as a few slices of paper.
00:38:45.000And through that, I can stare at my friend, and he can see me, and I can see him.
00:39:31.000You know, communication used to be you had to shout.
00:39:34.000You know, Bob's over there 100 yards away.
00:39:36.000You have to put your hands, we're going to the left.
00:39:39.000You know, now you could just text him or you could call him.
00:39:44.000And that the ability to communicate at vast distances.
00:39:50.000Will one day be very similar to the way we travel.
00:39:54.000We can travel vast distances instantaneously.
00:39:59.000Part of the entanglement idea that you talked about, what if you're in Austin and I go back to Whitefish, Montana?
00:40:07.000And what if we had the ability to think, hey, Joe, I forgot to tell you this when I was on your show and I told you by my mind?
00:40:15.000Now, people would say, oh, that's stupid, that's ridiculous.
00:40:18.000But I've talked to people that are way smarter than me.
00:40:22.000That says that part of this entanglement is that what if you're in space and you're on the far side of the moon?
00:40:27.000And what if we all have that ability right now to affect others in other places?
00:40:33.000And our thinking and our mind is really more powerful.
00:40:37.000And we are this spiderweb of entanglement that we don't quite understand right now.
00:40:43.000And let me, where this came from is George Knapp, been on a show like 30 times.
00:40:49.000He had a guy named Colm Kelleher, who was the head of all investigations for Bigelow at Skinwalker Ranch.
00:40:56.000And George said, Hey, Dave, Kelleher wants you to come out to Las Vegas.
00:41:02.000He thinks some of the work that they're doing at the ranch right now overlaps with your work on missing people.
00:41:08.000So I came out to Las Vegas three or four times, met with Kelleher, and we talked about just what you're talking about right now this overlapping of understanding consciousness because it's much more complex than some people are willing or even for us to understand.
00:41:24.000But what if what's happening on Earth right now?
00:41:28.000whether it's abductions, cattle mutilations, UFOs, is really something that is so beyond us.
00:41:36.000We try to think in rational terms, well, they're taking us for our sperm or they're taking us for our eggs.
00:41:41.000What if it's something a lot more deep than really we could comprehend right now?
00:42:12.000They're looking down at the meadow and they see this bright light.
00:42:16.000And this bright light starts to get bigger.
00:42:18.000And if you tell your guy, he could pick it up right now on, if you go to Amazon to the movie American Sasquatch Man, Myth, or Legend, it's my movie.
00:42:34.000And one guy doesn't have night vision, the other guy does.
00:42:38.000And this round thing keeps getting bigger and bigger.
00:42:42.000Till eventually it's like you're looking down a tube.
00:42:45.000And he says it's almost three-dimensional because you could see something at the far end of the tube.
00:42:52.000And the physicist is handing the night vision back and they're sharing it.
00:42:56.000Eventually the tube gets to be about this big that something twice the size of you and I could crawl through.
00:43:05.000All of a sudden, they see something crawling down the tube.
00:43:10.000It crawls out, it jumps down onto the land.
00:43:15.000And they see it's so dark, even with night vision, that they could just see a silhouette and it's bipedal, seven or eight feet tall, all black in color.
00:44:18.000And is that the access point that they're using?
00:44:22.000And can they open this at certain times and close it at certain times at will?
00:44:28.000And really, that was the first time that I had heard this from someone credible that this can happen.
00:44:35.000And if you think about the people at the ranch today, they said, well, the amount of energy it takes to open a portal is so many times greater than an atom bomb that it doesn't make sense that that could be the answer to this.
00:44:48.000Well, maybe their answer to what a portal is is different.
00:44:51.000But what these guys saw doesn't make a lot of sense to us.
00:44:56.000Well, the whole Bigfoot thing doesn't make a lot of sense.
00:44:58.000One of the reasons why the Bigfoot thing doesn't make a lot of sense is that Native Americans don't have a lot of mythological creatures.
00:45:07.000It's not like they have a ton of dragons and demons and pixies and wood sprites.
00:45:13.000There's not, but there's over a hundred.
00:45:23.000There's like 50 different names that they have for this one thing that they universally described as a bipedal, hairy, ape like creature that's eight to 10 feet tall.
00:45:36.000And there's so many sightings of this one thing.
00:45:41.000It's not like people keep talking about different animals.
00:45:45.000Like, I saw an elephant that has six legs.
00:46:17.000There's too many stories for me to completely dismiss it.
00:46:21.000And I've always wondered if it's some sort of an interdimensional experience.
00:46:28.000And that this thing may be the fact that it's in the woods and that they happen under heightened awareness because you're in the woods and you're probably very nervous and freaked out.
00:46:42.000So you're probably in a very bizarre state of mind.
00:46:46.000And all of a sudden you encounter something that makes zero sense.
00:46:51.000And the same thing gets encountered by people over and over again.
00:47:25.000But they don't describe it like a bear, they describe it like an ape.
00:47:31.000They say it has long arms like an ape and that it looks at you and that these things exist in the forest, like deep in the forest where there's no people.
00:47:42.000And then when people go out there, they encounter them.
00:47:46.000And the story is just, it's like the UFO abduction story.
00:49:07.000And the idea would be that when the Bering Land Bridge was around before the Ice Age or during the Ice Age, when the ocean levels were much lower and there was more land exposed, that these things could walk across Asia like we know the short faced bear did.
00:49:24.000And we also know people made it from Siberia into North America.
00:49:44.000But before you go on, there's also Gigantopithecus they found less than 100 years ago.
00:49:50.000I believe they were anthropologists and they were searching for different bones in an apothecary shop in China and they found a molar that was extraordinarily large, like way too large.
00:50:31.000Okay, we only have jaws and teeth for Gigantopithecus, not pelvis, leg bones, or full skeleton, so its exact gait can't be observed directly.
00:50:38.000Researchers infer its posture and locomotion by comparing its anatomy and evolutionary relationships with living great apes, especially orangutans, which are all quadrupedal and not habitual bipeds.
00:51:05.000Okay, a minority of researchers and many Bigfoot enthusiasts have proposed a bipedal gigantopithecus, often linking it to Sasquatch, but those arguments rely on speculative interpretations of jaw shape rather than solid postcranial fossils.
00:51:21.000These bipedal reconstructions are generally rejected by specialists in fossil apes who regard them as highly unlikely given current evidence.
00:51:30.000So, perplexity, our AI sponsor, says no.
00:51:38.000But the thing is, if Gigantopithecus was a real thing and all we have is a tiny amount of fossilized bones and teeth, how many things make fossils?
00:51:53.000So there very well could have been a bipedal ape like a human that was much larger.
00:51:59.000I mean, we know at one point in time bipedal hominids, like the early versions of human beings, were very hairy and some of them were larger than us.
00:52:11.000We just don't have fossils because most things don't leave fossils.
00:52:14.000Like the fossil record is incredibly incomplete, right?
00:57:02.000Now, just so you know and everyone else knows, there's hair and fiber experts in the world.
00:57:08.000And they testify in Superior Court all the time.
00:57:11.000Like out in the lobby, you have all these different kinds of animals.
00:57:13.000If we took a hair from one animal and gave it to a hair and fiber expert, he could tell you within two minutes what animal that came from because every hair looks different.
00:57:23.000So we took those hairs, went to a hair and fiber expert, and they said, Well, where'd you get that?
01:02:35.000She claimed 111 samples from 34 North American sites produced two patterns.
01:02:39.000Human mt DNA and unusual or novel nuclear sequences that supposedly did not match known animals.
01:02:48.000Her interpretation was that about 15,000 years ago, an unknown hominin male population interbred with modern human females, leading to a hybrid lineage whose descendants are today's supposed Sasquatch.
01:03:03.000The study did not appear in a normal, established, peer reviewed journal.
01:03:07.000Instead, it was put into an obscure outlet called De Novo Scientific Journal, which Ketchum herself effectively controlled to get the paper online.
01:03:17.000Science reporters and skeptics noted the Absence of transparent peer review, the paywall for self published paper, and the lack of independent labs reproducing her findings.
01:03:28.000But did independent labs try to reproduce her findings?
01:03:35.000Geneticists and forensic biologists who examined the data and methodology have repeatedly pointed to contamination and poor lab practice as the most likely explanation for her hybrid sequences.
01:03:48.000Analysis noted that the mtDNA being 100% modern human is exactly what you would expect from contaminated. or human origin samples, and that the odd nuclear sequences are consistent with mixed DNA, sequencing errors, or low quality data, not a new species.
01:04:08.000No major genetics lab or independent research group has replicated Ketchum's results or confirmed a novel hominin genome corresponding to Bigfoot.
01:04:18.000In mainstream science, her study is treated as an example of flawed junk science, interesting To Bigfoot enthusiasts, but offering no accepted evidence that Sasquatch exists.
01:04:31.000But here's the thing did anybody else try to test those things?
01:05:06.000Like, if you could say, oh, this is why, you know, if you had someone who understood DNA and contamination and the whole process, they could maybe explain it in a better way.
01:05:17.000So, what the idea that humans interbred with things is not a new idea.
01:05:31.000Pretty sure we did, where they believe that Neanderthal, they used to think that Neanderthal was a subspecies, like a different version of humans, and that they interbred with us.
01:05:43.000There's a group of people that now are speculating that Neanderthal was the result of humans breeding with another ancient hominid and that that created Neanderthal.
01:05:58.000So it's not that we interbred with Neanderthal.
01:06:01.000But that humans actually created Neanderthal by breeding with this other hominid.
01:06:08.000So there's only one country in the world that ever took this topic seriously.
01:07:28.000So something far greater than us has learned to manipulate DNA.
01:07:35.000And if you think that Bigfoot is interdimensional, then wherever that came from probably makes a whole lot more sense scientifically than something organically made here.
01:07:51.000And therein lies the reason that we haven't found a body.
01:07:57.000It can move in and out like it did through that tube at Skinwalker Ranch.
01:08:02.000And there's footage in our movie of what appears to be a Bigfoot evaporating into nothingness.
01:09:00.000So, what you're saying is that we're not dealing with a standard biological organism.
01:09:09.000We're dealing with something that's probably the product of some advanced species, and that they've created this thing, and this thing has the ability to move in ways and appear and reappear in ways that don't make any sense to us.
01:10:06.000So, super hard to reproduce something like that.
01:10:09.000And someone, you would have, I mean, you'd have to be a very, very advanced person and have some sort of incredible ability to manipulate material science just to be able to create something that recreates a dermal ridge and then use it and make footprints with it.
01:10:32.000That are similar to what a creature would make.
01:10:35.000It was very heavy moving through the ground and pressing down on moist ground or mud and leaving footprints that have fingerprints in it.
01:10:47.000It's weird because these are not, it's not something like, you know, I weigh like 205 pounds or something like that.
01:13:12.000And he goes, you guys did what nobody else could do.
01:13:16.000How come there's no good camera trap photos?
01:13:20.000You know, like there's a lot of trail cameras out there that hunters use.
01:13:24.000How come there's no good trail cam photos?
01:13:26.000Do you think the idea is that these things know that cameras are there?
01:13:32.000So I think they have that ability to look in the infrared range and they just stay away.
01:13:38.000Well, if they are from somewhere else, and, you know, we're assuming they're primitive because they're covered in hair, but.
01:13:48.000What if they have some sort of psychic ability or some sort of intellect beyond what we would attach to an ape and they understand what cameras are?
01:14:02.000So, do you know what the hitchhiker effect is?
01:14:06.000So, at Skinwalker Ranch, the investigators coming onto that ranch, when they left and they went home, they took those entities home with them.
01:14:15.000And the entities didn't ever bother the scientists, they bothered the relatives, the wives.
01:14:42.000One of the things that happens to people that study Bigfoot is they have the same hitchhiker effect.
01:14:48.000It doesn't matter where you go, for some reason, and you were talking about, you know, maybe they read your mind or something, there's some kind of effect there that they'll follow you wherever you go.
01:15:01.000As an example, I live kind of in the middle of nowhere, and there's big woods behind my house.
01:15:07.000And I was walking behind the house one day, one track, middle of a muddy trail, no other tracks anyplace else, 17 inches, just one track.
01:15:19.000I can't tell you how many times other friends of mine and researchers have had the exact same thing happen.
01:15:25.000In the movie, I interviewed, I think, seven or eight researchers, all the best ones.
01:15:29.000They all say this has happened to them.
01:15:32.000It's that hitchhiker effect that they talk about at Skinwalker Ranch, which goes to the point of it being something extra dimensional.
01:15:40.000I went to Skinwalker Ranch with my friend Duncan a few years back.
01:15:44.000I was doing this show for the sci fi channel called Joe Rogan Questions Everything.
01:15:47.000And one of the things we did was we went to Skinwalker Ranch and we talked to a bunch of people there.
01:15:52.000And, you know, some of them were just clearly full of shit.
01:15:57.000But there was this one guy who was not.
01:15:59.000And he didn't have a lot of stories, but he said there was this one experience that he had.
01:16:06.000Where these orbs made it into his house, and this orb flew through his wall, was inside of his home, and it seemed like it was interacting with him.
01:16:17.000And then it was like paused, frozen in front of him, and then took off.
01:16:21.000This guy seemed like a completely rational, regular guy.
01:16:28.000Like I said, he didn't have a bunch of crazy stories about other things.
01:16:31.000I forget what his job was, but it was a regular job, regular guy.
01:19:32.000Set of stories coming out of the Pacific Northwest, out of the 1920s and 30s, where a tribe of Native Americans hear that there's some people walking down a trail through the woods.
01:19:45.000Bigfoot walks in front of them, starts throwing rocks at them, doesn't hit them, throwing rocks at them.
01:19:51.000The people go home, they tell the sheriff, hey, these huge, hairy things are throwing rocks at us.
01:20:37.000Sometimes they will give them ornaments or certain kinds of foods that they have a tough time getting, and they will come back and they will give them certain kinds of food, animals, etc.
01:20:49.000But in this story on the front page of the Oregonian, they talk about this.
01:20:54.000And when I've gone to the Pacific Northwest, Joe, there's not one tribe up there that believes they're an animal.
01:23:00.000Now, the rational part of me, of course, wants to call bullshit.
01:23:04.000But the part that's willing to speculate, again, if so many people are having this very similar experience with this tall, hairy, ape like thing in the woods, you got to wonder why is it the same thing?
01:25:35.000Asiatica, a type of mushroom that forms symbiotic relationships with the pine trees in nearby forests and is locally popular food known for its savory umami pack flavor.
01:25:46.000In Yunnan, L. Asiatica is sold in markets, it appears on restaurant menus, and is served at home during peak mushroom season between June and August.
01:25:57.000One must be careful to cook it thoroughly, though, otherwise, the hallucinations will set in.
01:26:11.000Outside of Yunnan and a couple other places, the strange mushroom is largely an enigma.
01:26:16.000There are many accounts of the existence of this psychedelic mushroom and many people who looked for it, but they never found the species, says Juliana Furci, a mycologist and the founder and executive of the Fungi Federation, a nonprofit group dedicated to discovering, documenting, and conserving fungi.
01:26:39.000This person, Dom Nair, is on a quest to solve the decades old mystery about this fungi species.
01:26:47.000And identify the unknown compound responsible for its unusually similar hallucinations, as well as what it can potentially teach us about the human brain.
01:26:59.000You know, the thing is like, is it teaching us something about the human brain, or is it allowing you to see something that's actually there all the time?
01:28:32.000Well, one of the weird things about Santa Claus is if you go back and look at old Christmas art, like Christmas art from the turn of the century, all of it has Amanita muscaria mushrooms in it and elves.
01:29:56.000I wrote an article for my website, Santa Claus Was a Mushroom, a long time ago about this.
01:30:02.000And I probably fucked up the whole algorithm.
01:30:04.000But if you look at these images, these are ancient images that the one that you had up there with the foreign language on it, where it says psychedelic.
01:30:15.000That these little elves are carrying these giant psychedelic mushrooms with them and they're walking off with it.
01:30:22.000And this has to do with Christmas, how?
01:30:25.000Why does Christmas have to do with psychedelic mushrooms?
01:30:28.000The question is are these compounds, are you hallucinating when you take these compounds or is it opening up your vision to see things that are there all the time anyway?
01:30:50.000Like, how many people have taken psychedelic compounds that dissolve the ego, completely put you in a different space in terms of your headspace, and then you're able to see things perhaps that are there all the time anyway?
01:31:05.000The Bigfoot one is so weird because I always want to dismiss it.
01:31:09.000The rational part of me wants to go, oh, shut up, it's all nonsense.
01:32:28.000Well, it's also whatever we're doing in this as a human being going through this life, you know, you have a certain understanding of what's real and what's not real and what to expect and what not to expect based on your life experiences, based on what everybody else is telling you about the world around you.
01:33:00.000Just what we know about the material world is so bizarre.
01:33:05.000Just what we know about subatomic particles, just what we know about the very nature of matter itself that's all energy condensed in different weird ways, and that most of what atoms are is empty space, and that a particle, like a subatomic particle, can appear and disappear.
01:33:58.000And that there's some sort of research that shows that we.
01:34:02.000Somehow or another, we can actually affect particles in the past?
01:34:06.000Like quantum physicists talk about this, not kooks like me, but quantum physicists talk about that there's some sort of evidence that the observer effect can affect things in the past.
01:34:36.000Is it simply what's in between your ears?
01:34:39.000Or are you tuning in to consciousness?
01:34:42.000And it's just the limitations of your radio that's making the world around you shape into the form that you currently see.
01:34:49.000And maybe that is why, when you add things to that radio, like psychedelic mushrooms, like the ones that make you see the little people, or the ones that make you see elves at Santa Claus, I think we get real arrogant when we talk about what reality is.
01:35:08.000Especially when we know from our understanding of reality that reality, again, at its quantum state, is essentially insane and impossible.
01:36:48.000And it's not really recommended to anybody that has a slippery hold on reality already, like people with psychiatric conditions and people that are already kind of fucked up.
01:36:57.000But if you're reasonably stable and you are calm and rational and you can just let go, it is a wild experience.
01:37:07.000It's a wild experience that should not be illegal and should probably be studied and understood.
01:37:15.000What was the guy that we had on recently, Jamie?
01:37:17.000The guy who was doing Andrew Gallimore?
01:37:25.000They're setting it up in a country where it's legal, and they're doing IV DMT trips that last like five hours.
01:37:34.000And these people go and they have this experience, and when they do it, they all encounter similar places, similar beings, and similar patterns.
01:37:48.000Like they come back with very similar stories.
01:37:50.000Like they're making a map of the territory of whatever this is that you're doing.
01:37:55.000And they all have the exact same way of describing it, which is similar to the way I described it before I ever heard of any of this, is that it feels more real than reality itself.
01:38:05.000Reality itself seems very dull and very mushy and not crisp, if that's the way to say it.
01:38:17.000Whereas the DMT experience is very vivid.
01:38:22.000The experience that you get by encountering whatever these creatures seems way more powerful than any kind of experience that you have in normal everyday consciousness.
01:38:33.000So, does that drug open some kind of door?
01:39:48.000If you think about it, this is what the experience feels like.
01:39:52.000It feels like you're dealing with an all powerful entity that's filled with love and understanding and knows you better than you know yourself and gives you guidelines on how to live life.
01:40:03.000And that Moses came back from this experience with these commandments how to live life.
01:40:51.000I mean, their senses are so different than ours.
01:40:53.000We just assume that we both live in the same world, but we clearly don't.
01:40:57.000Dogs live in a different world than us.
01:40:59.000The world that they experience is rich with smells and sounds, and they hear things and they smell things that we couldn't even imagine what they are.
01:41:09.000The weird thing about DMT is that someone figured out in the Amazon.
01:41:16.000Thousands and thousands of years ago, no one even knows when, how to make this plant orally active.
01:41:23.000So, what they did is they took the leaves of one plant and the roots of the other.
01:41:29.000So, one of the plants contains dimethyltryptamine, and the other one contains harmine, which is an MAO inhibitor, monoamine oxidase inhibitor.
01:41:39.000And this MAO inhibitor allows DMT to be orally active.
01:41:44.000Whereas, if you just ate that plant, the monoamine oxidase in your gut would break the plant down and you would never experience the DMT trip.
01:42:03.000But when you think about people that were living in this incredibly rich, life filled jungle for thousands and thousands and thousands of years, and with no contact with the Western world as we know it today, right?
01:42:23.000They're living in a subsistence lifestyle, living with animals and plants and fish, and they probably are deeply in tune with the jungle.
01:42:33.000And deeply in tune with the wildlife and the plants in a way that we can't even possibly understand.
01:42:39.000And that we've probably dulled all those senses or they've atrophied to a point, you know, where we just assume that everybody sees the world the way we do.
01:42:50.000And I don't think those people did or do.
01:43:15.000It's so easy to just throw it all away.
01:43:17.000But, I mean, look, I was watching Fox News yesterday where they were talking about the different kinds of entities that the United States government has encountered.
01:46:08.000Well, that kind of makes sense, right?
01:46:10.000That eventually, being this is the photos of the bullet, it kind of makes sense that eventually we would realize why would we travel places where we could just make an artificial person to do it and report back to us everything?
01:47:04.000A lot of people have also said that about the greys, that they get the sense that they're not really an actual physical or a biological organism, that there's some sort of a hybrid thing or some sort of a whatever.
01:47:18.000The thing that got me about that is that if it's robotic, but it still has the ability to mind speak, that is really advanced.
01:47:36.000You know, you could have a robot that could speak out loud.
01:47:40.000So, why can't you have a robot that transmits?
01:47:44.000Why couldn't, I mean, with sufficient enough technology, it kind of makes sense that you would have something that has the ability to transmit into your mind.
01:47:52.000So, do you think, when you're studying all these different people missing, and like, do you try to put a percentage on how many of these people you think just got eaten by bears and how many of these people you think are having these kind of experiences?
01:48:05.000So, if there's any evidence of animal predation, I don't even work with them.
01:53:07.000Are they being fed nonsense or is this disclosure?
01:53:11.000And are they slow trickling this out to us to get regular folks like boomers, get them accustomed to this idea of there are entities out there?
01:53:23.000What if they're just acclimating you to the reality of our world?
01:53:29.000And what if the truth is that there's people around you?
01:53:35.000That are aliens and you don't even know it.
01:54:07.000And this is what Dan from Age of Disclosure.
01:54:09.000And that's one of the people I interviewed in my film, senior intelligence officials, went on the record saying that there have been dozens of crashed craft of non human origin over the years, and elements of our government have recovered those crashes.
01:54:24.000And they've gotten out of that technology of non human origin, and in some cases, non human bodies that were on these craft.
01:54:31.000A number of the people in my film go on the record saying that the bodies were not all the same type, meaning there were multiple species.
01:54:38.000Were the bodies alive or were they dead?
01:54:44.000The people in my film talked about events where they were dead bodies, they were deceased bodies.
01:55:06.000Why are you waiting so hard to release more?
01:55:10.000Yeah, so the president gave his directive in the middle of February, essentially instructing all federal agencies to declassify evidence of non human intelligent life and UAP.
01:55:19.000What happened after that is the White House had to go get that evidence out of the hands of all these federal agencies.
01:55:26.000And they all, for the most part, pushed back.
01:55:29.000The people who have gatekept this information for 80 years, they don't want to share it.
01:55:34.000They've gotten a lot of power and control over the years, and it's just frankly not human nature for people to want to give up power and control.
01:55:42.000So there's a tug of war happening behind the scenes.
01:55:46.000There are a number of other reasons guiding their desire to keep this secret, including a general belief that the public can't handle the truth.
01:55:54.000I would argue the public can handle the truth.
01:55:58.000People aren't watching it and jumping out of windows.
01:56:00.000They're curious and they want to learn more.
01:56:02.000There's also a general feeling that a concern that they can't tell the American public what they know and don't know without also telling our adversaries and giving them some sort of advantage.
01:57:01.000The eight pointed star refers to a declassified 2013 infrared military video.
01:57:07.000Released as part of the government UFO files, the footage was widely debated online and linked to alien or biblical origins.
01:57:14.000However, experts debunked the phenomenon, explaining it is simply a distortion caused by a hot jet engine's exhaust plume hitting a military infrared camera.
01:57:45.000And the most recent thing I've done, Missing 411 National Parks, Washington State, there's a case where a guy in 2006 disappeared in Olympic National Park.
01:57:57.000He was a former Army intelligence officer.
02:01:07.000The yellow pad was gone, and a couple of his personal things were gone.
02:01:12.000So I said, This doesn't make any sense.
02:01:16.000Why would the FBI go into your house to retrieve anything of Gilbert's if this is a missing person case and he has no relationship to the government?
02:01:26.000And she goes, Well, Dave, you're asking what I've been thinking all along.
02:01:39.000And she says, things haven't seemed right.
02:01:42.000And she said, I think he's alive somewhere.
02:01:47.000So as she's saying all this, my mind's racing and I'm thinking, how many other people have disappeared in a national park under circumstances that I just heard from a girlfriend and the mom, but I don't know about them because I haven't been able to interview their girlfriends and their moms?
02:02:04.000And why wouldn't the Park Service give me the information on the report if it was a straight missing person case like this?
02:02:15.000So, really, is there something more nefarious going on in the parks about taking people that they're in conjunction with some other body, some other three letter agency, to make people go away?
02:02:32.000So, they're doing this on purpose with people that have information that's inconvenient or that's top secret, or they don't want it being leaked somehow?
02:03:10.000I'm sorry, I don't remember the books, but he asked her to get two books and put on the counter, and she thought that that was a clue to what happened.
02:03:21.000Dante's Inferno might have been one of them.
02:04:20.000So everything just looks like the guy disappeared from college.
02:04:24.000Except five months later, the head of housing for Miami University miami, Ohio, is at a city 10 miles north of the Pennsylvania border in New York, a little tiny city.
02:04:39.000He and his wife are having dinner at a bed and breakfast.
02:04:44.000And sitting across from them, 10 feet away, are three men at a table.
02:04:50.000And he says, I'm telling you, that was Ron Tamman.
02:05:28.000Well, the question I've talked to my team about this why would the government need you to separate yourself from the family under unusual circumstances.
02:06:10.000In these emotionally charged and divisive times, when no one seems to agree on much of anything, I present to you the one shining example of a core belief with which all of humanity can surely agree.
02:06:20.000And at that time, honored value is this no one in his or her right mind would ever knowingly sleep with a dead fish in their bed.
02:09:30.000Like you're going over so many different cases, so many kooky circumstances, and different people disappearing that your whole perspective on this stuff gets a little weird?
02:09:42.000I would say so, except I wrote this up as just a standard everyday missing person case.
02:09:48.000These weren't my beliefs, these were the beliefs of the girlfriend and the mom.
02:09:54.000And I have to say that the FBI going to that house is completely outside the realm of anything normal.
02:10:34.000Well, certainly the people that have access to this information, like the stuff that Dan Farah was talking about, like imagine the mind of a person.
02:10:44.000Let's assume that there are really extraterrestrial bodies somewhere.
02:10:49.000And let's assume that there are recovered crafts and that these people like Bob Lazar really have been back engineering.
02:10:56.000Don't you imagine being one of those people, one of this select group of people, a small amount that have.
02:11:03.000Information that's completely different from what the rest of the world has about the reality in which we exist.
02:11:11.000That we share this reality with things that have technology that is beyond our comprehension.
02:11:18.000They can do things that we can't even imagine.
02:11:22.000And that these people all know it's real and that they're holding on to this information.
02:12:47.000Well, I would imagine that's possible.
02:12:49.000I would imagine, like, if you wanted someone to work for you and you say, you know, this person's going to work undercover, some top secret mission.
02:13:54.000No, but I mean, look, I get it because you're dealing with like a wide swath, like a bunch of different kinds of encounters and different things.
02:17:16.000There was a medical doctor that disappeared just recently within the last couple years, hiking in that same area, a giant loop backpacking.
02:18:32.000After what I've seen, after I've made five documentaries now, I've seen 12 and 14 and 15 year olds do things with special effects that if you watched it on film, you wouldn't know if it was real or not.