00:05:54.000The United States is, in my opinion, the greatest nation in the history of the earth for theoretical physics because we are cowboys, we are irreverent, we are the people who invented the atomic and hydrogen bombs, the semiconductor.
00:06:12.000This is what we do, and we've lost the ability to.
00:06:17.000To do it at a level that I cannot believe happened during my watch, my lifetime.0.97
00:06:23.000So, from 1984 to the present, those 42 years have been the greatest intellectual implosion, I think, that I know of, where people just got dumber.
00:06:36.000And what do you think is the cause of that?0.87
00:06:48.000And it's called the Green Schwartz anomaly cancellation.
00:06:52.000And the guy that I've talked to you about before in UFO context, the guy who is Lewis Witten's son, Lewis Witten, happy birthday, turned 105, was the anti gravity guy from the 50s.
00:07:05.000His son, Edward Witten, decided that the 1984 Green Schwartz anomaly cancellation meant that we should all, all the smartest people, should pile into one narrow subspecialty and that that was the future.
00:07:20.000And because he was so much smarter than all of us, people listened, and I didn't.
00:08:21.000Or the only game in town, T O G I T.1.00
00:08:24.000It's this idea that only we, the enlightened, can do theoretical physics and the rest of you are just doing finger exercises and you're too stupid to know it.0.99
00:08:36.000So, specifically, what's isolationist about string theory?0.98
00:08:43.000What is it about this one particular theory that all this thought has been pushed into that?
00:08:48.000The claim is that there's this thing called UV complete physics.
00:08:56.000There's no way that we can have a discussion about that directly.
00:09:00.000If I could ask Jamie, could I impose upon you to call up on YouTube Wheel of Fortune and then use, I've got a good feeling about this.
00:11:27.000So think about all of those blank squares as orders of magnitude that you are away from the energies that would.
00:11:35.000Allow you to do experiments that would explain physics.
00:11:38.000And think about the apostrophe, the L, and that pattern, as well as the fact that there's no R, as the standard model of physics.
00:11:47.000So, right now, what you have is a debate about whether or not we should buy more and more letters with higher and higher energy, or should we build bigger accelerators and spend more treasure trying to collide particles, or should we just Caitlin our way out of this?
00:12:02.000So, Caitlin Burke is my model of what I think we're supposed to be doing.
00:12:07.000So an exceptional mind with an ability to see or propose things that other people aren't seeing.
00:12:14.000I guarantee you that if we studied this, if we spent a month with the world's smartest people on this puzzle, we'd learn that there are certain things that were present, that the frequency of certain – the fact that there's a single letter there that almost certainly is I or A.
00:13:49.000And a lot of what we're arguing about is that the string theorists are the only ones who have the right to try to solve the puzzle at the moment.
00:13:59.000So imagine that somehow there's a rule that only Rick, poor Rick who guesses that there's an R, imagine that he's the only one allowed to solve the puzzle.
00:14:08.000And when she asks, May I solve the puzzle?
00:14:21.000So that's what the problem that we're facing is that we've got one group that got control of the gatekeeping, who is very good at mathematics, extremely bad at physics.
00:14:35.000And they've redefined what physics is and what good science is, where they're the only ones who are guessing the puzzle.
00:15:48.000In general, the funny part is that the people who ask me to give talks in the physics departments are the most courageous person in each department.
00:15:56.000So, the problem is that the person that you end up feeling resentful towards, how dare you tell me that I can't give this talk in this department officially, is the person who's arranging for your stay and is arranging for the room.
00:16:12.000And they are under the most pressure from the institution.
00:16:15.000So, the institution is forcing them to say, you're allowed to give the talk, but you're not allowed to talk about it on social media, you're not allowed to advertise that you're doing it, you're not allowed to say that you're doing it.
00:16:29.000In the case of UTX's physics department, I was allowed to say I'm speaking in the Karch group seminar.
00:16:35.000It's like a condom to make sure that the physics department doesn't get pregnant.0.89
00:16:39.000What isn't that really bizarre because University of Austin, Texas was supposed to be a university that fixed all the bullshit that was wrong with other universities.0.98
00:16:51.000This was the home of Steven Weinberg who moved from Harvard to Texas because the money, the oil money was used to buy brains.
00:16:58.000Basically, Texas raided Harvard for people like John Tate in the math department, Steven Weinberg, who was probably the greatest living theorist.
00:17:07.000And that was the continuation of the Bryce DeWitt group from North Carolina Chapel Hill that was set up to do anti gravity by Agnew Baineson.
00:17:18.000So you're right next to an amazing physics department with a crazy history that, in fact, touched anti gravity.
00:17:28.000This is one of the Tiny number of places that has a real legacy in that department.
00:17:35.000And I was speaking there on gravity, on dark energy.
00:17:39.000And look, I've been lying my whole life about my relationship with the physics world because of this pressure.
00:17:50.000They can't listen to me if I say I'm a physicist.
00:21:24.000In the United States, maybe the world, Hanafri, maybe above it.0.55
00:21:30.000The world, Hannah Frye may be above it.0.84
00:21:34.000That danger to the narrative is the problem.
00:21:37.000Well, specifically for people who don't know what we're talking about, what is, to make this a stand-alone show, the people that are not aware of your work, what is it about you and your ideas that they are so hesitant to platform or legitimize or why you're such a danger?
00:23:00.000And I'm not trying to I mean, I keep lots of secrets that people ask me to keep that I should keep, things having to do with national security, for example.0.94
00:23:23.000town and so you know there was a look people are willing to spend their entire credibility just to make me go away could you briefly just describe like what what is the pro so there's not a problem with string theory or string theory not complete or a string theory read it has it reaped
00:23:48.000Mathematically, it's reaped results, and string theorists have occasionally done really great work in a subject called quantum field theory.
00:23:57.000But quantum field theory isn't about the quantum field theory of the world.
00:24:01.000Quantum field theory is like calculus, it's something that's very useful, and it grew up in physics.
00:24:08.000But we've now found out that quantum field theory has to do with pure problems in mathematics that have nothing to do with physics.
00:24:14.000And what they haven't done is they haven't dealt with the physical world.
00:24:19.000So if you take physics, why do we care about physics so much more than really?
00:24:23.000Almost any other aspect of the sciences other than biology.
00:24:26.000I had to give a talk at New York Deep Tech Week, shout out to those guys.
00:24:33.000I put it on the slide as three things there's boom, vroom, and zoom.
00:24:55.000And the story of energy is basically the story of prosperity and control.
00:24:59.000If you look at wealth and the amount of fossil fuels burned, it's more or less like a one to one correlation as to which nations are rich and poor per capita.
00:26:06.000of it, but by saying that physicists became too dangerous, the ideas became too dangerous, is the idea that the weapons would become so immense and powerful that they had to do something to stop and curb that?
00:26:18.000Well, we didn't know how to control it, right?
00:26:20.000So in other words, for example, in 1940, we set up something called the Reference Committee, which I'm sure your listeners have never heard of.
00:26:29.000The Reference Committee lived inside of the National Resource Council.
00:26:42.000They can go right into the middle of an atom because they're not positively charged, so they're not going to be repelled by the nucleus.
00:26:49.000And they can bust apart atoms that are barely being held together.
00:26:53.000And that's why you get bullets begetting bullets begetting bullets, and that's what a chain reaction is.
00:26:59.000The people who were doing that in the 30s suddenly found that when they mailed off a paper to a journal, if they weren't part of the secret group in Los Alamos, Their paper got held up and sent back for revisions.
00:27:44.000So, you and I can hate on the institutions all we want from the safety of the JRE.0.95
00:27:49.000But what are you going to do when it becomes really, really easy for people to commit mass murder?0.73
00:27:59.000If you think about all the really bad mass, like the Vegas shooting that never really got sorted out, it's very hard to kill large numbers of people using things like bullets.
00:28:09.000If you want to really kill a large number of people, you're going to go to biologicals and you're going to go to nuclear.
00:28:17.000And what happens when that becomes easy?
00:28:19.000Like maybe it's a lot easier to build these weapons than the way we currently do it.
00:28:23.000Right now, we're bottlenecked on things like centrifuges.
00:28:28.000And by the way, who knows what the next innovation in physics is going to bring?
00:28:32.000So I always say this thing about if you're not tracking everybody at my level, what are you doing as an intelligence service?
00:28:38.000Is this part of your concern about the missing scientists?
00:28:44.000For people that aren't aware of it, I think they're up to 15 now, and a lot of people say that some of these connections are baseless and that some of them it's just not a good idea.
00:28:59.000But I saw someone online did a breakdown of it, and essentially they were saying that the odds of this being a coincidence are off the track.
00:29:06.000That the people that are all involved in very specific types of technological research.
00:29:13.000Different things that are top secret that all of these people either wind up missing.
00:29:19.000There's a lot of murder in math and physics, first of all.
00:29:32.000There was a guy named Cantor who broke into David Rittenhouse Laboratories in the University of Pennsylvania, where I was an undergraduate, and shot up a seminar.
00:29:44.000You know, this situation in Iowa where a relative of mine got a seat in the physics department because somebody was killed by one of the graduate students.
00:29:55.000I think it became a movie like Dark Matter.
00:29:57.000So there's an incredible amount of murder.
00:30:00.000Murder, the ball peen hammer killing of, was it Carl DeLue by Streleski at Stanford.
00:30:11.000So, first of all, there's just a lot of death because mathematicians and physicists are somewhat close to unhinged.
00:30:19.000And it's a really nasty, there's a lot of nasty culture, and sometimes it becomes violent.
00:30:23.000Why do you think they're close to unhinged?
00:30:28.000You spend that much time in your head.
00:30:31.000I'm amazed that I'm as well grounded as I am.
00:30:34.000No, seriously, you're just way out in the stratosphere.
00:30:38.000I completely forget who I am, where I am, that I'm even a human being.
00:30:42.000When you're using your body as an instrument, as you do in combat sports and training, you become a different thing.
00:30:51.000You know that archery thing where you have to twist your arm?
00:30:55.000A lot of people don't know that they can do that initially.
00:33:09.000All of these narratives have a junk to them so that And I believe a lot of the junk is affixed to the narrative so that those who want to follow the institutional instruction to ignore the fact that this is happening can point to the crappiness.
00:34:06.000And by the way, the LLMs I mean, look, there are a lot of threads here.
00:34:10.000To get back to the physics, and I'm giving a talk tomorrow at the U Texas Austin on supporting science, math, and physics and renewing our commitment to it.0.97
00:34:24.000I don't want to give the impression that it isn't dangerous or that the gatekeeping is stupid.
00:34:29.000It's really important to do great gatekeeping around mathematics and physics.0.78
00:34:34.000It's cryptography, it's weaponry, it's propulsion, it's a sudden change in the world economy.
00:34:41.000If you figured out how to do fusion, it would have immediate geopolitical results.
00:34:48.000So, these specific scientists that are missing, whatever the number is, five, six that you think are legitimate, what specifically are they working on that's so dangerous?
00:35:00.000Well, the fusion guy, obviously, is at MIT.
00:35:03.000Is anybody who might, I don't know, fusion isn't my thing, plasma isn't my thing.
00:35:09.000But that is unquestionably dangerous if you imagine how much depends on oil.
00:35:16.000And is it a good assumption that if you have one incredibly brilliant person that's at the head of this thing and they make a breakthrough, if you kill that guy, the whole thing is in disarray because the people that are under him, whatever people he has working with him, aren't as fully immersed in it as he is?
00:35:36.000That you can kind of like handicap a problem.
00:35:38.000It's like, let's say if there's top five people.
00:35:49.000And they go, listen, we can kill this fucking guy.1.00
00:35:52.000And it's still coming down the pipe, but we'll delay it by 10 years and make $15 trillion.0.99
00:35:57.000So this is a question about the far right tail, like the extreme right tail of human intelligence and ability.
00:36:07.000And if you think about certain areas where you have a dominant figure, Rodney Mullen in skateboarding, for example, what percentage of all tricks derive from Rodney Mullen?
00:36:19.000You couldn't have stopped skateboarding, but you could certainly have held it back by getting to Rodney Mullen, right?
00:36:25.000When it comes to guitar, the amount of impact that Jimi Hendrix and Eddie Van Halen had is just wildly disproportionate.
00:36:36.000You know, when I was doing my podcast, I was really excited to do Rodney Mullen and Eddie Van Halen together.
00:36:43.000I wanted to get them, you know, totally different sports.
00:36:46.000But those two guys are sort of the same.
00:36:51.000They just created so much vocabulary, you can't even imagine it.
00:36:54.000Eddie Van Halen doesn't get the credit he deserves either.
00:37:00.000Well, it's just Van Halen became Van Hagar, and it became a different kind of music.
00:37:09.000And I think a lot of the original hardcore fans left, but a lot, I think it got more popular with Sammy Hagar, but it was a different kind of music.
00:37:20.000And not that it's bad, but it's different.
00:37:23.000And then I think a lot of people just went, nah.
00:37:26.000But like, if you go to, you know, some of the like big Van Halen with David, I think Van Halen with David Lee Roth in his prime was literally a perfect band.
00:38:32.000Alan Holdsworth, like if you talk to your hot shit guitarist friends, they will very often, like everybody will just pause and say, well, yeah, that's Alan Holdsworth.0.98
00:42:04.000I think David Lee Roth had some comment about if it weren't for me, the brothers would be playing biker bars in the far valley or something.
00:42:14.000And so David Lee Roth came up with what we would call the syntactic sugar, the thing that made Van Halen.
00:42:22.000Fun and listenable and danceable, like dance the night away.
00:44:32.000And so my feeling is that those two guys really, you know, it's one of those things where you have two guys in a band that, you know, both of them are one in a billion kind of people and they happen to meet.
00:46:20.000And Figuring out how to get those noises, figuring out how to make the guitar into more.
00:46:25.000This is a thing that obsesses people like Jeff Beck or Roy Buchanan or Eddie Van Halen, where they're just in some other space where it's no longer an instrument the way you and I see it.
00:46:41.000You know, I've never wanted a whammy bar on my instrument until I saw Jeff Beck do crazy stuff that just isn't possible.
00:46:52.000I never told you I drove him around once.
00:51:27.000I could even go like that's probably when they put the video on YouTube for the first time or it became available on Apple for the first time to download and it wasn't only on Napster or something like that.
00:51:36.000But to go back to the blues aspect of it, it's blues based rock that feels like that thing that you and I relate to.
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00:52:41.000You know, we're not most, I'm really into the blues, but that's its own controversy because when black audiences stopped showing up to blues shows, the performers got worse because the audience was a huge part of the experience.
00:52:59.000I tell you about this argument I got into with John Mayer about the blues.0.66
00:55:14.000We've got to actually get people back into understanding what it is.
00:55:19.000So, if you picture those huge bands in your youth, stop thinking about the band on stage rocking out and pan in your mind into the audience.
00:57:03.000And so, in part, you know, like it was our version of payola that, you know, when I was growing up in LA, it was KMET and KLOS that determined, or KROQ.
00:57:15.000Those are the three stations that mattered.
00:57:17.000And they told us, here's the offering, boys.
00:57:54.000But it felt like, if anything, I thought at the beginning when Metallica was railing, when Lars Ulrich was railing against Napster, I'm like, these are just your fans.
00:58:03.000They're just your fans that are getting your music for free.
00:58:37.000Well, one thing is that these clips, if your clip gets picked up by TikTok and Instagram reels, that's, you know, some tiny fraction of a song is the catnip that leads everyone to your door.
00:58:50.000I've downloaded many, many songs that way.
01:02:17.000And that's old now, but the point being hip hop and its storytelling and the return to spoken word and poetry and the legacy of the talking blues had a great run, spread worldwide.0.95
01:02:35.000You know, you talk about whites taking over.1.00
01:03:44.000It's changing the developing world at a level that rock and roll changed us.
01:03:50.000It was, you know, the music of liberation.
01:03:51.000John Mayer's point, of course, is that the guitar, the electric guitar, retains the stylistic characteristics of cars in the 1950s.
01:04:00.000And that thing was the twin experience of having a car and having a guitar was personal expression and liberation for American males in the 50s.
01:04:11.000So, um, Yeah, but I think a lot about our guitarist friends because they're suffering.
01:04:18.000The world's greatest guitarists are living today and nobody cares.
01:04:24.000The funny thing is, if you start following these people on Instagram, as I do, I look to see which of my friends are following the great guitarists, and it's other great guitarists.
01:05:02.000If I had a glass and I broke it, if I took Tex Mex and I broke it on the ground and I reassembled it from different things, it's completely angular and an idea will last.
01:05:11.000It's like a psychedelic thing where it'll last for five seconds and it'll be on to the next thing and it's just angular and fragmented and sewn together and beautiful and inspiring.
01:05:22.000Yeah, I have to play it for you because the drummer and bass player are also awesome, but it pretty much revolves around the guitar.
01:05:30.000And you see, the thing is that they're so tight with each other that, you know, a better example even than this would be this thing that they released called GOAT, which was the thing that put them on the map.
01:06:33.000This is this matters to me, and this is new, right?
01:06:38.000And just the way this, uh, what like Antoine de Poutrin that's taking over the world is basically you hear the Middle East, um, but these guys are basically into microtones.
01:06:49.000If you take 24 beats, you can divide it by sixes, you can divide it by fours.
01:06:54.000Uh, so the mathematics of rhythm, um, you know, the stuff that like only Vinnie Cayuda was able to do before people are sort of getting hip to things that were happening on Oud.
01:07:06.000Are now happening on microtonal guitars.
01:07:08.000And what it is, as I see it, is like this violent birth of people bored by standard Western forms.
01:07:25.000There are lame times, there are cool times.
01:07:27.000There's really cool stuff happening now, but it's the fact, particularly this Quebec kind of thing that broke out with these guys in costume.
01:07:53.000They would have giant eyeballs as heads and they would play completely insane things like Johnny Cash's Ring of Fire, but in angular, bizarre ways.
01:08:55.000The mathematics of this is that there's this freak fact, which is that if you take the octave, which is doubling a frequency, you take the 12th root of it, break it into 12 semitones, and then take 19 of them stacked, 2 to the 19 over 12 is equal to 2.996 something.
01:09:13.000That means that you can force people into this quantized music where you come up with this number 12, which is magical for number theory reasons, and you can fool the ear into thinking that 19 of these 12 semitones is a complete tripling of frequency.
01:09:33.000Because of that, we've been in even tempered music since the time of Bach, and these guys are breaking us out together with Jacob Collier.
01:09:41.000They're saying, why would you accept that as a prison?
01:09:45.000And so, how does stuff like this become popular?
01:11:19.000So, what I'm doing, I'm engineering ticks so that they bite you and you get allergic to red meat, and I'm dropping them off from helicopters.
01:11:27.000We're going to administer vaccines involuntarily through ticks.
01:12:21.000Yeah, a couple times I've been offered real wealth and with crazy stuff, but the Epstein thing, I don't know that I've actually said that on a podcast.
01:12:32.000He offered me a partnership, and the only condition was that I had to get rid of my existing partners.
01:12:39.000Like, I had to stab my partners in the back in order to become his partner.
01:15:26.000And so we're in the basement of the physics department.
01:15:27.000You can tell the difference between the theory floor and the part where they actually do things.
01:15:33.000And these guys were just, you know, we're effectively at 77 degrees above absolute zero with conditions that only occur in deep space inside of this thing coated in like tinfoil.
01:15:47.000And so these guys are just cracking jokes about growing weed and, and, uh, What happens if you put hydroponic weed in that chair?
01:15:55.000But the other thing is that comedians are really intellectual nerds.
01:16:25.000Because I'm like doing battle a little bit with the.
01:16:29.000There's one extremely smart string theorist in the audience named Jacques Dissler.
01:16:33.000And so almost all of the interactions between Jacques and myself were, we were both being very collegial, but it was, you know, it was pretty hot.
01:18:36.000Let's talk about that because I saw you on Jesse Michael's show and you were talking about how just a few years ago you thought that the entire narrative was complete nonsense.
01:19:52.000I usually have exactly the opposite problem, which is I come up with too many explanations.
01:19:57.000I can't come up with a single explanation that makes sense of what I now know.
01:20:00.000And also the fact that the government outreached to me and to Sam Harris and to Lex Friedman.
01:20:06.000And, you know, there was this thing where these guys who checked out said there's going to be a massive disclosure and we need people to disseminate information.
01:20:14.000These things to the public, and you have a share of the public who listens to you.
01:20:20.000And we need to get you informed so that you can help mediate the disclosure.
01:20:25.000So, what prompted this change in narrative?
01:20:29.000What's going on behind the government?
01:20:34.000Look, we don't know what the thing or things is are yet.
01:20:41.000Some of it is, again, so low quality that it's embarrassing to be seen with it.0.91
01:20:45.000So, my colleagues who don't want to take this seriously use that, like, okay, so you're now on the little green men train.
01:20:55.000I said, no, I'm on the special access program trade.0.60
01:20:57.000There is for sure special access program or programs that have UFO on the side of them that may or may not have aliens or craft or non human intelligence in them.
01:21:12.000There's no way to deny that there's like a giant lump under the carpet.
01:21:17.000And what prompted you to change your opinion and decide that there is some sort of a special access program?
01:21:24.000When I started coming in contact with totally sober people from reasonable walks of life who would say the craziest things to me, and a lot of them checked and they didn't yet know each other.
01:21:39.000Brandon Fugle, for example, was at a dinner where he started talking about being visited by a craft a few feet over his head that came over the Mesa, and his head of security was catatonic, standing in the back of a pickup truck, unable to move.
01:22:37.000Like Gary Nolan talking about people reporting, you know, Gary Nolan told me a story that somebody had said that a ball of energy would come and enter the body and move around and then leave.
01:22:52.000And he said, you know, the craziest thing is that when I inspected the tissue, there was a path of necrosis that can't be explained.
01:23:03.000Like something that shows up on imaging.
01:23:06.000And Gary's a really smart, serious guy.
01:23:13.000I can check a lot of the things that he says scientifically.
01:24:32.000And the first, without getting into particulars, the first official outreach, like really official outreach, the checks in the wake of that episode.
01:26:40.000So I don't know what's going on, but my guess is.
01:26:48.000So on Piers Morgan, I said this thing, which is that New Mexico is the connector of the nuclear story, the Epstein story, and the UFO story.
01:29:22.000It was because, again, people thought that physics and high-energy physics really wasn't that important.
01:29:27.000Because that was about nuclear weapons?
01:29:29.000No, it was because they were trying to, they decided, which may be not right, this was the same time that Murray Gell-Mann came up with the term quark, Q-U-A-R-K.
01:29:40.000He picked it out of an old poem, the word quark.
01:29:43.000But it was something, it was mysterious.
01:29:45.000So they were starting to understand in the 90s that in our world of the physics world, There was things that were just unexplainable.
01:31:40.000Murray Gelman didn't name quarks in 1990.
01:31:45.000That goes back to like the 60s when George Zwig called them aces and Gelman called them quarks for three quarks for Mustermark that came out of James Joyce.
01:31:53.000So he's just repeating stuff that he doesn't understand.
01:31:58.000And why did he buy the house, Zorro Ranch?
01:32:02.000To the scientists whose funding was cut.
01:32:06.000The people who make weapons and who do high energy physics, who had the rug pulled out from under them by the United States when they won the Cold War by putting this pressure on the Soviet Union.1.00
01:32:19.000Like, there's nothing more important than theoretical physicists, you idiots.0.99
01:32:25.000And you don't fund these people and you don't watch them.1.00
01:32:28.000Like, the Department of Energy is supposed to have counterintelligence to stop creeps.
01:32:34.000From hanging around the National Labs, which is America's secret university system.
01:32:48.000He was buying a property to be close to the National Labs in New Mexico that make the weapons and that are in charge of trying to figure out the future.
01:32:58.000So if you think about the National Labs as this parallel thing to the university system, but it's the secret part.
01:33:04.000Or you have to be American and you have to have a security clearance and all this kind of stuff.
01:34:40.000You put people up in a nice hotel for three nights.
01:34:43.000Serve them amazing food from a private chef.
01:34:45.000You get a black car to collect them, and they'll tell you anything.
01:34:50.000I don't mean that Peter was doing this in an evil way, but I watched dinner after dinner after dinner as people disgorged all they knew because they were so happy they're getting a $200 bottle of wine and being treated like humans, you know, like respected.
01:35:08.000So, in part, you have to understand that dinner in and of itself, or a mansion, or a first class ticket, is all it takes to get people to start talking.
01:37:14.000So the first thing is that you find you lose your privacy, you lose your freedom of movement, you've got a retinue of people who have to be constantly maintained.
01:37:41.000I'm saying, like, if you're going to take drugs, you're at risk of having everybody want to tell the story.
01:37:47.000If you want to have a menage, you're at the same risk.
01:37:51.000So the question becomes what do I do to get what I thought I was going to do, which is the right to have freedom over my own life and to misbehave in fun ways, whatever?
01:40:52.000His product, as I've said before, was silence.
01:40:55.000If you want a really dangerous question, ask the question Did the people who were in his direct orbit have an unusually high number of disappearances around them?
01:47:37.000We're just all pretending like we have no memory of this, no idea about how we're all connected, how the highest in society are connected to the people who get things done.
01:51:20.000So the sex scandal and all the sex stuff was sort of to keep people happy and give people a place to go to where they could have these experiences.
01:51:29.000If you're dealing with physicists or some high end scientist guy, they don't have access to this.
01:51:36.000They probably never been with a beautiful woman in their life.
01:51:39.000All of a sudden they're hanging out with Jeffrey Epstein.1.00
01:52:19.000And what would be the benefit of having access to these scientists and having this place on Zorro Ranch and being able to talk to these people?
01:52:27.000Think about it from the perspective of who is doing the constructing rather than the constructed.
01:53:13.000So, in other words, if I do a euro trade, it's really a dollar euro trade, and you and I are going to trade dollars for euros, and we agree to do it in two days' time.
01:53:22.000And then if you want to keep the position on, you exchange that contract for a contract that will follow to erase that contract and form a new contract which pushes it out two days.
01:54:07.000And then he knows way too much about my exactly particular specialty in mathematics.1.00
01:54:13.000Like, the number of people it could come from would be five or fewer.
01:54:22.000So, technically, what I did my thesis on is something called self dual Yang Mills theory, which is about every force other than gravity is a Yang Mills force.
01:54:34.000Except my thesis was really about gravity.
01:54:36.000And I didn't disclose it, and only people very, very close to me knew that that's what it was about.
01:54:44.000And he shows up, I think, in the Harvard math department in 2002 with Dick Gross.
01:54:51.000And clearly, he was talking to people in the Cambridge mathematical physics world who would have been, you know, there's something called the Chern Simons theory, which is.
01:55:07.000Mistakenly associated closely with Yang Mills theory, but is really all about gravity.
01:55:58.000And Jeff Epstein has been mirroring my entire life, everything that I do.
01:56:05.000And I became well known when I was writing these essays for Edge.org, and he was in with John Brockman at the Brockman Literary Agency.
01:56:14.000When I got married, the rabbi came from Harvard Hillel, which was a building now called Rosofsky Hall, which he put together with Les Wexner's money.
01:56:24.000He was funding probably the conference at the Perimeter Institute that we did on the financial crisis.
01:56:31.000At every turn in my life since I was a young man, Jeffrey Epstein was there in the background, even though I only meet him once.
01:57:12.000Every time that I care, and I care about the world's smartest people at a functional level, not the people with the highest IQ, but the people who are irreverent enough to actually move the needle.
01:59:19.000Jeff, can you get us an ice cube, please?
01:59:21.000I would just down here, this is a long article.
01:59:24.000I believe most of this comes from the Epstein files that came out on the DOJ's website.
01:59:30.000The woman who wrote this, she's a former Boston Globe and New York Times reporter, also LA Times.
01:59:37.000The summary here is what I was kind of getting at because it's two or three paragraphs, but it explains a lot of what you're asking.
01:59:46.000Standard framing of Jeffrey Epstein as a Mossad asset is well supported.
01:59:49.000Robert Maxwell, Ghulain's father, sold Israel backdoored Promise software to Sandia National Laboratories in 1985.
01:59:57.000His eldest daughter, Christine Maxwell, built the FBI's post 9 11 counterterrorism data warehouse through her company, Chiliad.
02:00:06.000Isabel Maxwell, Christine's twin sister, co founded Calm Touch with Israel Unit 8,200 alumni.
02:00:14.000Ghulain ran the human intelligence operation, the Israel Intelligence Network, around both Maxwell and Epstein, is documented and substantial.
02:00:23.000But the intelligence infrastructure supporting Epstein and Maxwell at Zorro Ranch points somewhere else or to somewhere additional.
02:00:31.000It points to the United States military intelligence, plain and simple.
02:00:35.000The contractor who built his encrypted link to orbit is American, headquartered in Georgia, and now holds a Missile Defense Agency contract.
02:00:42.000The satellite uplink was authorized by an American FCC license.
02:00:47.000The project was managed out of New York office.
02:00:49.000The man who recruited Epstein as a child served in the American OSS, and his own son was in charge of the Federal Justice Department when Epstein died or didn't in its custody.
02:01:03.000The man whose ranch provided the ideal relay point was OSS, built American missile guidance systems and military drones.
02:01:11.000And just up the road, another former OSS guy, Carl Ingwer, sold his New Mexico ranch to the strangest duo of all time.
02:01:50.000You look at Jeffrey Epstein, I have no question he was directly connected to Israel, you know?
02:01:57.000But first and foremost, I believe that he, and I hate when we use the word asset.
02:02:05.000You should use a vaguer word because those technical things, like who's an agent, who's an operator, agent is a word used differently by the FBI and CIA.
02:02:17.000Every time we try to sound like we're cool, like we know what the intelligence community actually is, We make mistakes because we say something that becomes deniable.
02:02:27.000You know, so like there's a concept of knock, non official cover.
02:02:32.000You know, if you say somebody, you know, is a knock and you guess the wrong distinction, they can say, no, he wasn't.
02:04:01.000So if you want bad things to happen to somebody, you don't call intelligence because that's just human intelligence or signals intelligence or whatever.
02:04:08.000You're not going to call a cryptographer to make a problem go away.
02:04:24.000The United States is terribly configured because we pretend that we're okay doing everything through our university system, which shouldn't be done in an open setting.
02:04:35.000You have to be honest about the fact that we're badly configured.
02:05:05.000So, my claim is that we are walking around right now with all of these extremely deadly ninja priests in our physics departments, in our math departments, who don't even know that they're deadly ninja priests.
02:05:23.000They've never worked on something classified.0.68
02:05:26.000They've never solved problems for our government.
02:05:28.000But in part, we fund our scientists as part of a complex cryptic arrangement worked out by Vannevar Bush that is now remembered by essentially no one.0.87
02:05:39.000So the idea is you people, Teller, Ulam, Feynman, Oppenheimer, von Neumann, you are DevGru.
02:05:56.000And most of the time, you're going to teach classes.
02:06:01.000You know, it's like Indiana Jones, you know, an archaeologist with a bow tie, and then he's running around with a whip and, you know, killing people.
02:07:59.000You're the smartest person I've ever met, and you have not earned the right to say that your failed theory, your disaster of a catastrophe of a theory, Is the most failed theory in history in physics, and you're saying it's the only game in town?
02:08:20.000Which is you talked about this very overly supported physics department in this upstate university, upstate New York University, that's attached to a hedge fund.
02:08:33.000SUNY Stony Brooks mathematics department and physics department.
02:08:57.000A treasury security that allowed you to just earn some very boring, very high rate of return where you were supposedly having your money at risk, but you essentially never lost.
02:09:09.000There were like almost no down months.
02:10:00.000But he wasn't that much smarter than every other genius at that level.
02:10:07.000So I would say, you know, top hundred minds in mathematics and physics, clearly better than that.
02:10:18.000Jim started off working for the DIA, the Defense Intelligence Unit.
02:10:26.000Supposedly quit out of outrage over Vietnam, becomes the super young chairman of the SUNY Stony Brook mathematics department, holds a lunch seminar with a guy who will become the world's smartest living physicist, a guy named CN Yang.
02:10:48.000And they discover over lunch a connection between differential geometry, Jim's.
02:10:54.000Specialty and Xi and Yang's specialty, which is the standard model.
02:11:01.000Jim then quits, forms a hedge fund long before it's cool with the father of another guest of yours on this program, Brian Keating.
02:11:16.000And the two of them both have medals, so they call it medallion because they've won prizes.
02:11:57.000This is so strange because it sort of also mirrors a second story that was not associated with Brookhaven, which is the national lab near SUNY Stony Brook, but associated with Los Alamos, which is a story called The Prediction Company.
02:12:11.000Except in that case, the name of the person isn't Jim Simons, it's Doyne Farmer.
02:12:17.000And The Prediction Company is the analog of Renaissance.
02:12:20.000So what you see is that once people have a pattern, it seems like these patterns repeat.
02:12:36.000But if we're allowed to speculate, the question would be, where would it be located?
02:12:41.000So, how would you find, for example, the existence of a boys' school in rural New Mexico where all of these super smart people are holed up?
02:14:22.000Dr. Oppenheimer is a Harvard graduate, attended Cambridge, receives a PhD from Gottingham University in Germany, professor of physics, University of California, California Institute of Technology, and is a Fellow of too many organizations to enumerate.
02:14:39.000And so they were recognizing that Oppenheimer was doing something.
02:14:43.000They knew that he was working on a doomsday device.
02:14:46.000Uncle Sam has placed the city in charge of two men.
02:14:53.000We see that the garbage and rubbish are collected, the streets kept up, the electric light and plant, and the waterworks functioning, and all other metropolitan work operating smooth.
02:15:04.000I don't know his name, but it isn't so important because the Mr. Big of the city is college professor Dr. J. Robert Oppenheimer, called the second Einstein by the newspapers of the West Coast.
02:15:15.000What I'm trying to say is, Jack Raper never got a Pulitzer Prize, died in obscurity.
02:15:24.000Leslie Groves, who was the other guy who was running the town, decided to send him to the Pacific to punish him for being the best journalist in America.
02:15:34.000And when he found out he was 60 years old, they decided, okay, we're just going to ignore this story and hope everyone else does because it's too crazy to be real.
02:15:44.000Now, what I'm telling you right now is.
02:15:47.000Raper never figured out what Los Alamos was, but he knows that it doesn't make sense.
02:15:52.000I'm telling you, Renaissance Technologies doesn't make sense.
02:17:55.000Elon doesn't trust scientists for good reason because they're weak.
02:17:59.000So, he's building his own scientist from when we were strong.
02:18:04.000He's going to have it read the corpus of physics done by competent physicists who actually care about the physical world so he doesn't have to deal with any of us.
02:19:08.000If you can only go the speed of light at your best and you can't even get anywhere close to that, how are you going to get to something four years old?
02:19:47.000I'm happy to predict this on your show.
02:19:48.000Will be named the Observerse, which is a combination of not just using a four dimensional space time manifold, but a 14 and a four dimensional space simultaneously.
02:19:58.000This was what I was talking about at the university yesterday.
02:20:02.000And how would that, like when you say the difference between science and technology?
02:20:06.000So, how would that science be applied?
02:20:09.000If we look at the surface of this table, I can't do this to it, can't spread it apart, move it, right?
02:24:37.000And I know what that, technically, the name is fiber dimension.
02:24:43.000What it is, we have to gain access to it, which is discovering that somebody gives you an obsidian rock that has a property that you've never seen before called pinch to zoom.
02:24:54.000So I need to make the distance to the nearest star small so I can go with reasonable speed.
02:26:21.000Nobody's willing to have you speak at their seminar.0.99
02:26:23.000Despite the fact that you have complete blue chip credibility, how would you organize a secret team to get control of our adversaries, the world, and the ability to traverse the cosmos?0.98
02:26:38.000I sure as shit wouldn't build a chemical rocket company.1.00
02:27:32.000So I asked myself if you could have premium subscriptions to Grok, Gemini, XAI, sorry, Grok, Gemini, Claude, all of them, or you could have Edward Frankel's home phone number, which would you choose?
02:27:53.000I'd choose Ed Frankel's home phone number.
02:27:58.000So I get to call Ed Frankel whenever I want to.
02:30:00.000And J is Roman Jakiev, a professor at MIT.
02:30:06.000Sean Carroll's second most cited paper has this as its action or Lagrangian.
02:30:15.000Right above that is my action or Lagrangian.
02:30:19.000And what you see, all those zeros, is things that Sean Carroll doesn't know how to handle.
02:30:25.000And that thing where you see a P, you see star parentheses P on the bottom line, not the second from the bottom, is Sean's relativity violating hack.
02:30:37.000Sean Carroll did not disclose that geometric unity is a direct competitor to his most cited work.
02:30:46.000So now, if we can roll the clip, it'll make more sense as to what's going on.
02:32:22.000Either he lied saying you read your paper or he lied saying, he definitely lied saying those things aren't in there because he did say those things aren't in there.
02:33:30.000By virtue of the fact that the conspiracy against me, and I literally mean technically a conspiracy, is organized through these Discord servers, and there's an engineer at Google who, for example, can't get a paper against me that lies about what it is that I'm up to.
02:33:53.000Published on the archive, which is where physicists share their stuff.
02:33:58.000So the engineer will say, How about you do a talk at Google, Sabina Hassenfelder?
02:34:03.000And so, Piazza Hassenfelder will come to Google and she'll be given her thing if he will be allowed to post an anti Eric screed or paper or whatever you want to call it against me.
02:34:18.000So, what I'm trying to say is, I'm acting as Jack Raper in some way.
02:34:22.000I'm doing stuff and saying stuff like Epstein is a construct.
02:34:28.000Well, okay, now you can say that, but you couldn't say that when I started saying it.
02:34:33.000You can't say Ed Witten is driving theoretical physics off of a cliff.
02:34:38.000The reason that we have the particles that we do is that there's a 10 dimensional fiber and a fiber bundle above space time that isn't acknowledged.
02:34:48.000For some reason, the things that we're talking about on this show are dangerous.
02:34:55.000We're having dangerous conversations, Joe.
02:35:00.000And sometimes you go all the way and sometimes you puss out.
02:35:03.000But this is a dangerous place because they can't tell you what to do.
02:35:07.000And that's why they put you in a different color on the screen during COVID.
02:35:12.000Because you went against the narrative.
02:35:15.000The narrative was go get vaccinated.0.94
02:35:18.000The narrative was if you think that COVID came from anything other than a wet market, you're a racist.
02:35:24.000Every time you've gone up against the narrative, they try to destroy you.
02:35:28.000You're still here, but you've been badly, badly bruised at various times.
02:35:35.000You are a danger to the narrative, as I am a danger to the narrative.
02:35:39.000That's one of the reasons why this is like, I don't know, what is this?
02:35:41.000My eighth, sixth, some large number of appearances.
02:35:45.000We are scary to the narrative, and the narrative can no longer be held together.
02:35:49.000I want to bring you back to the technology that's involved.
02:35:53.000So, when we're talking about this program that may or may not exist, and when we're talking about UAPs, for lack of a better term, do you think that these are connected?
02:36:09.000So, one of the things that I've suspected, and I'm not the only one, many people suspected this, it's very odd that a lot of these sightings, that these.
02:36:19.000Air Force pilots and Navy pilots that they find they're over and near military bases.
02:38:26.000I also believe that there are foreign nations that may have leapfrogged us.
02:38:32.000Clearly, we saw that where we invested in aircraft carriers and other people invested in drones and they realized that this was about economic warfare.
02:38:39.000It costs too much to shoot down cheap stuff to make.
02:38:44.000So, we're in the process of having our Suez moment, if you will, in Iran, if we're not careful, where it is revealed that our lead in aircraft carrier groups is not what we thought it was.
02:39:00.000So, we can get to Iran in a second if you like.0.95
02:39:02.000But what I believe is that we've been dumb.1.00
02:39:08.000We've been extremely stupid since the end of the Cold War.1.00
02:39:11.000Bill Clinton and Dick Morris ushered in an era of stupidity that I cannot even believe is so antithetical to my notion of my belonging to the smartest nation on earth that we've just basically gutted our smart people.1.00
02:39:27.000The smart people don't even know each other.1.00
02:39:49.000That's not to say that there isn't a cartel drone here or there, but I don't think we shut down airspace in El Paso to deal with cartel drones.
02:41:37.000Officials from the Trump administration cited incursions from Mexican drug cartel drones breaching U.S. airspace as the primary reason that the defense systems were deployed in the first place.
02:41:53.000White House officials later noted that the FAA administrator implemented the surprise flight ban without notifying the Pentagon, Department of Homeland Security, or White House officials.
02:42:07.000The FAA administrator implemented a flight ban without notifying the Pentagon, the Department of Homeland Security, or the White House officials.
02:44:28.000It says this is from the New York Times.
02:44:30.000Inside the debacle that led to the closure of El Paso's airspace, FAA citing grave risk.
02:44:35.000Of fatalities from a new technology being used on the Mexican border got caught in a stalemate with the Pentagon, which deemed the weapon necessary.
02:45:35.000There's no way of stopping that being what we are.
02:45:39.000So, you think that it's very possible that there's a foreign nation that has some sort of technology that can invade our airspace at will, and that was what the shutdown was?
02:45:51.000I believe that somebody may have leapfrogged us as they have leapfrogged us in drone technology.
02:45:57.000So, they may have leapfrogged us in some propulsion technology?
02:46:02.000I believe that there's a nation in Asia.
02:46:06.000China, which puts on amazing drone shows and buys up our academics who aren't being paid because we're sitting around bitching.
02:46:17.000What have you, technical people, done for us?
02:46:20.000Why do you deserve to be paid from taxpayer dollars?1.00
02:46:24.000And the answer is, oh, shut the fuck up.1.00
02:46:26.000We created your economy, you stupid bitches.1.00
02:47:23.000And because they had this childlike belief in universities, science, and the Democratic Party, they ran to the Republican Party like children, not understanding that Anthony Fauci was not a scientist.
02:49:44.000I think they attach monetary gain to success and above and beyond needs.
02:49:55.000So it becomes a way of measuring success.
02:49:59.000They look at numbers above and beyond everything else.
02:50:03.000My craziest, brilliant friend who's completely insane is a guy named Michael Vassar.
02:50:09.000And Michael Vassar made a point to me, as he often does, which is really dangerous.
02:50:14.000And he said, When did the world's smartest people stop caring about their own game and their own prizes and start focusing on the prizes of the people pursuing wealth and status?
02:50:31.000And he said, Somehow, when scientists care about McLarens and Lamborghinis, something terrible has happened.
02:50:38.000And boy, has that like a splinter in my mind turning over.
02:50:49.000By the way, this is a guy who also told me that Dario Amadei was like a really important person.
02:50:54.000I needed to pay attention to him when he was just some guy that I knew.
02:51:00.000Vassar's point is the scientists stop having their own game with their own prizes, and so they've started caring about things that they should be completely ignoring.
02:51:11.000I don't have a McLaren and I couldn't care less.
02:51:39.000And he says in the lyrics to that song, which we don't remember, He says, something like, I have you over, I would invite you, but the queens we use would not excite you.
02:51:51.000So you can go back to your massage parlors in Bangkok.
02:51:53.000The whole point is that the chess world doesn't care about who got laid.
02:51:58.000The chess world cares about the evergreen game, the immortal game.