The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2511 - Terry Bradshaw

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00:00:14.000 Go up onto the microphone, Mr. Bradshaw.

00:00:16.000 I went up there catching rainbow trout.

00:00:19.000 Oh, yeah?

00:00:21.000 Killed them.

00:00:22.000 I've been up there for our fourth year.

00:00:24.000 You fly fish?

00:00:25.000 Yeah.

00:00:26.000 Oh, yeah.

00:00:27.000 But you're not fly fishing.

00:00:28.000 You come back in July for fly fishing.

00:00:32.000 This is fly fishing, but you've got to.

00:00:34.000 Fly bobber, it's a fly.

00:00:37.000 Then you got that tiny, tiny bug.

00:00:42.000 I mean, you can't even see it, and that's what you catch them on.

00:00:44.000 So you fly, you're using a fly rod, but you have a bobber and a little tiny thing.

00:00:49.000 The bobber is basically a big moth or something that holds it up.

00:00:56.000 Right, right.

00:00:57.000 It's bobber, cork, whatever.

00:00:59.000 Yeah.

00:01:00.000 So it's just a different kind of fly fishing.

00:01:03.000 What you're doing because.

00:01:05.000 You're not, you're in a boat, you know, fast that water's moving.

00:01:08.000 And you just go down through there and they move it to the jets and jetties and stuff.

00:01:08.000 Right.

00:01:14.000 So you find like the pools where they're waiting for you to get in.

00:01:17.000 Yeah, you go and you just find it, goes boom.

00:01:20.000 Yeah, man.

00:01:21.000 Oh, brown trout.

00:01:23.000 Yeah, it was a good time.

00:01:25.000 Yeah, trout fishing is very fun.

00:01:26.000 Yeah, it is.

00:01:27.000 Fly fishing is a completely different thing.

00:01:29.000 It's very skillful.

00:01:31.000 I like fly fishing too.

00:01:33.000 We did that last year in July and didn't have near the.

00:01:37.000 We didn't catch hardly anything, to be honest with you.

00:01:42.000 I mean, maybe five or six a day.

00:01:42.000 Yeah.

00:01:45.000 That's a lot for fly fishing.

00:01:47.000 We caught almost 110 hours.

00:01:49.000 Really?

00:01:50.000 Yeah.

00:01:52.000 That's crazy.

00:01:52.000 100 trout?

00:01:54.000 Don't say where you were.

00:01:55.000 People are all going to swarm that place.

00:01:57.000 I didn't bring my phone.

00:01:57.000 No, I don't.

00:01:58.000 I'd show you pictures of it.

00:02:00.000 Yeah, it was crazy.

00:02:03.000 I'll tell you something funny.

00:02:03.000 Wow.

00:02:05.000 I carry.

00:02:08.000 Yeah, we're filming.

00:02:08.000 I figured we were.

00:02:10.000 I carry a baby Jesus with me.

00:02:12.000 Let me tell you what happened.

00:02:13.000 You carry a baby Jesus?

00:02:14.000 Baby Jesus.

00:02:16.000 Like from the manger?

00:02:17.000 Yes, Jesus.

00:02:18.000 Right.

00:02:18.000 It's Jesus.

00:02:19.000 We call it baby Jesus.

00:02:21.000 Okay.

00:02:22.000 Oh, so it is Jesus.

00:02:23.000 Yeah, it's grown up Jesus.

00:02:24.000 Has a beard and everything.

00:02:25.000 Okay.

00:02:25.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:02:26.000 So we're not catching anything.

00:02:29.000 And so I reach in my pocket.

00:02:30.000 I don't know why, looking for my knife.

00:02:31.000 I don't know what I was doing.

00:02:33.000 And I had this baby Jesus.

00:02:35.000 I said, Oh, my son in law is in the back.

00:02:39.000 I said, I got baby Jesus with me.

00:02:40.000 And I set him on the.

00:02:42.000 On the igloo, on the box facing me.

00:02:47.000 You ready, Joe?

00:02:48.000 One, two, three, four, five, six.

00:02:53.000 Six giant rainbow in a row.

00:02:56.000 So my son-in-law's in the back, and he's going, Turn baby Jesus towards me.

00:03:01.000 I turned around.

00:03:03.000 I took baby Jesus toward him.

00:03:05.000 One, two, three, four, five, six.

00:03:10.000 I went down this.

00:03:12.000 We caught 12 rainbow.

00:03:16.000 Anywhere from 15 to 20 inches.

00:03:18.000 That's big.

00:03:19.000 Yeah, that's big.

00:03:20.000 That's a good rainbow.

00:03:21.000 So the guide, I mean, he got a little tripped out.

00:03:28.000 He said, Hey, man, you're kind of messing with me here.

00:03:36.000 That's kind of got me a little screwed up.

00:03:39.000 I started laughing.

00:03:40.000 I said, Man, you get the power of Jesus in here.

00:03:43.000 So we kept it all day.

00:03:44.000 Before I left, I gave it to him.

00:03:45.000 So he said, I'm going to use this every day.

00:03:48.000 So that's it.

00:03:48.000 It was kind of fun.

00:03:49.000 I don't think that's something you should use every day.

00:03:51.000 I think that that should be like for special trips.

00:03:53.000 You don't want to ask Jesus every day to help you catch fish.

00:03:56.000 I don't go fishing every day.

00:03:58.000 But yeah, you're right.

00:03:59.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:04:01.000 I wouldn't normally need help, but trout fishing, yeah, I need help.

00:04:05.000 I'm bass fishing, and yeah, I'm pretty good on my own, but if things get desperate, I'm not.

00:04:10.000 I mean, I don't want to push it.

00:04:11.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:04:13.000 I want to push it.

00:04:14.000 Oh, by the way, Jeff died to me.

00:04:16.000 Say hello.

00:04:17.000 Oh, you know Jeff?

00:04:18.000 Yeah.

00:04:19.000 I did two years of Better Late Than Never with him.

00:04:23.000 Oh, I love Jeff.

00:04:25.000 Good dude.

00:04:26.000 Solid dude.

00:04:28.000 Man's man.

00:04:29.000 What's with all the whiskey?

00:04:32.000 Did you bring that?

00:04:33.000 Yeah.

00:04:33.000 I was wondering.

00:04:34.000 You don't drink.

00:04:35.000 I'll drink.

00:04:36.000 I quit and then I came back.

00:04:36.000 Yeah.

00:04:38.000 Yeah.

00:04:38.000 I quit for eight months.

00:04:40.000 Not really, like, I didn't have a problem.

00:04:42.000 Just health reasons.

00:04:42.000 No.

00:04:43.000 I decided it wasn't a good thing for you.

00:04:45.000 I am.

00:04:45.000 Do you have your own Terry Bradshaw whiskey?

00:04:45.000 That's smart.

00:04:47.000 Yeah, we've had it now.

00:04:48.000 Come on, son.

00:04:49.000 We've got to have a glass of that.

00:04:50.000 Seven years.

00:04:51.000 Do you drink?

00:04:52.000 Yes.

00:04:53.000 You better.

00:04:53.000 I drink it.

00:04:54.000 Yeah, I drink this.

00:04:54.000 Selling whiskey.

00:04:54.000 You better.

00:04:56.000 Let's have a drink.

00:04:57.000 This is our 12 year that just won all the Golden Awards and spirits and.

00:05:01.000 Oh, nice.

00:05:02.000 Yeah.

00:05:03.000 All of them.

00:05:03.000 So, age 12 years?

00:05:04.000 12 years.

00:05:05.000 13 now.

00:05:06.000 I was talking with Buffalo Trace about that, and they're like, well, yeah, that's what you drink.

00:05:11.000 Once you drink this, you'll stop drinking that.

00:05:13.000 Unless they're a sponsor.

00:05:15.000 They are a sponsor.

00:05:16.000 And they're nice guys.

00:05:16.000 Okay, there you go.

00:05:17.000 Okay.

00:05:18.000 And I respect them.

00:05:19.000 I mean, that company's been around longer than the country.

00:05:22.000 Longer than America.

00:05:22.000 Long.

00:05:23.000 Long time.

00:05:25.000 They started in 1773.

00:05:26.000 I mean, when you go back to whiskey.

00:05:28.000 Yeah.

00:05:29.000 Well, they claimed that Elijah Craig was the father of bourbon whiskey.

00:05:36.000 And it's.

00:05:38.000 They do research and then they don't have it back that far where they can actually sit.

00:05:43.000 Because Elijah Craig was a preacher.

00:05:45.000 Oh, really?

00:05:45.000 Yeah, so that's freezing.

00:05:46.000 A preacher who made whiskey.

00:05:48.000 Yeah.

00:05:49.000 Wow.

00:05:49.000 So, anyway, that's award winning 12.

00:05:52.000 Yeah, you can get some ice and glasses.

00:05:55.000 This is our original.

00:05:57.000 This is our two year old brand right there.

00:06:01.000 We still have that.

00:06:02.000 What is the original?

00:06:03.000 It's two year aged?

00:06:04.000 Two.

00:06:05.000 Two.

00:06:05.000 Then with our yeast, we were able to make it taste like four to six.

00:06:10.000 And so now, and then we don't do that anymore.

00:06:10.000 Okay.

00:06:13.000 And then this is the good stuff right here.

00:06:17.000 What's that stuff?

00:06:18.000 Six year?

00:06:18.000 Six year.

00:06:19.000 So you got 12, two, and six.

00:06:19.000 Hell yeah.

00:06:21.000 Yeah, actually 12, four.

00:06:23.000 Can you really tell the difference?

00:06:25.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:06:26.000 Oh, I'm going to tell you right now.

00:06:29.000 This is 145 proof.

00:06:33.000 Whoa.

00:06:35.000 Okay.

00:06:36.000 That's a lot.

00:06:37.000 This is 108.

00:06:40.000 103.8.

00:06:42.000 This is amazing.

00:06:45.000 This is a.

00:06:48.000 Why does the older stuff have more alcohol?

00:06:50.000 Is it because of the process of aging?

00:06:52.000 Yeah, because it's also.

00:06:54.000 This is a bourbon that.

00:06:55.000 It's a single barrel bourbon, and when we brought it out, you leave it in there, and this is what it turned out to be.

00:07:01.000 Now, we could dilute it by simply putting water in it and dilute it down to.

00:07:07.000 This is 103.8, and it's 51.9 proof.

00:07:12.000 Or proof alcohol.

00:07:14.000 This, this, 149.

00:07:19.000 Bust it out, Terry, let's go.

00:07:21.000 If we bust it, how long are we planning on talking today?

00:07:23.000 We'll talk for a couple hours.

00:07:25.000 We may not be able to make a couple hours.

00:07:27.000 We'll give it our best shot.

00:07:29.000 Okay, we'll do our best.

00:07:30.000 Who can open this?

00:07:32.000 I don't have a knife here.

00:07:33.000 Jamie got a knife?

00:07:34.000 Oh, yeah.

00:07:36.000 So we started this.

00:07:38.000 He throws everything, but he didn't throw that.

00:07:39.000 Oh, good man.

00:07:41.000 Good man.

00:07:42.000 You know what I noticed coming over here today?

00:07:44.000 A lot of tattoos in here.

00:07:46.000 Yeah.

00:07:46.000 Yes.

00:07:47.000 A lot of tattoos.

00:07:49.000 You mean the building?

00:07:49.000 Jamie's tattoo free.

00:07:51.000 Yeah.

00:07:51.000 A lot of tattoos.

00:07:52.000 He's been thinking about getting my face tattooed on his back.

00:07:55.000 Are you still doing that?

00:07:56.000 Is that like a bullseye?

00:07:59.000 Stand up.

00:07:59.000 I went for a good drawing.

00:08:00.000 We made a deal.

00:08:01.000 I'll do his face, he'll do mine.

00:08:02.000 Oh, my God.

00:08:04.000 And I'll have, like, young Jamie and, like, gothic stuff on my back.

00:08:04.000 Anyway.

00:08:09.000 The thing about bourbon, I don't know how to explain it.

00:08:11.000 I don't know why I fell in love with bourbon.

00:08:13.000 I find it to be, first of all, it's the only thing that's in America.

00:08:21.000 Bourbon is only bourbon if it's in America.

00:08:24.000 Right.

00:08:24.000 And I think it's only bourbon if it's made in Kentucky.

00:08:29.000 A lot of Kentucky people do.

00:08:30.000 Well, the exact same way.

00:08:31.000 I mean,.

00:08:32.000 You ready?

00:08:33.000 Yes, sir.

00:08:34.000 Let's go.

00:08:34.000 Okay.

00:08:35.000 Time to party.

00:08:36.000 I'm just going.

00:08:39.000 This might be the best show you ever have.

00:08:41.000 All right.

00:08:42.000 Yeah.

00:08:42.000 I'm excited.

00:08:43.000 You will be after you drink that.

00:08:45.000 Let it sit.

00:08:45.000 It smells good.

00:08:46.000 Let it sit.

00:08:47.000 It smells good.

00:08:48.000 Let it sit.

00:08:48.000 This is the 12 year old stuff.

00:08:51.000 And what is it called?

00:08:52.000 Bradshaw Bourbon.

00:08:53.000 That's the name.

00:08:55.000 Can I see?

00:08:55.000 Here's the thing about the 12 year old.

00:08:57.000 We only have.

00:08:59.000 Bradshaw Bourbon.

00:09:00.000 Look at that.

00:09:01.000 We only have 15 cases left.

00:09:05.000 15 cases, I think they told me.

00:09:07.000 So, this is a limited edition, and then we have to come out with some new stuff.

00:09:11.000 But this is actually 13 years old now.

00:09:14.000 So, you obviously started this project a long time ago.

00:09:18.000 Right.

00:09:19.000 You've been aging it for 12 years.

00:09:20.000 What I did.

00:09:21.000 Cheers, sir.

00:09:22.000 Thank you for being here.

00:09:23.000 Here's to you, Joe.

00:09:23.000 Thanks for having me.

00:09:24.000 My pleasure.

00:09:24.000 Thank you.

00:09:26.000 What happened?

00:09:27.000 I don't know why.

00:09:29.000 I went to my.

00:09:33.000 Hey.

00:09:34.000 Wow.

00:09:34.000 You got to let it sit.

00:09:36.000 Yeah, that's got to kick.

00:09:37.000 We're going to try this, and then we'll try this.

00:09:39.000 Okay.

00:09:39.000 And you'll definitely see the difference.

00:09:41.000 But I was going to my dad, who's father.

00:09:43.000 Someone's driving me home today.

00:09:45.000 My father's father was an alcoholic.

00:09:48.000 And I went to my dad prior to him passing, and I said, Hey, Dad, what would you think if I got into the spirits business?

00:09:56.000 And he says, You know what I think.

00:09:57.000 And I went, Well, I'm just asking you.

00:10:00.000 And he says, Absolutely not.

00:10:02.000 And I said, Okay.

00:10:03.000 So I shut her down.

00:10:05.000 My dad died, oh, wow.

00:10:08.000 It's 12 years ago.

00:10:11.000 He died.

00:10:11.000 My mother died two years ago.

00:10:12.000 So anyway, so after his passing, Two or three years, four years, I was sitting around and I was trying to.

00:10:22.000 I remember William Cohen, Secretary of State William Cohen, he says, What do you do to make a living?

00:10:28.000 I said, Well, I work on Fox.

00:10:30.000 I'm a broadcaster.

00:10:31.000 And he says, Is that it?

00:10:32.000 And I said, Well, I'm a horse and cattle breeder.

00:10:34.000 I raise registered cattle and I'm in the breeding business, training business, quarter horses.

00:10:39.000 He said, Oh, okay.

00:10:41.000 He says, Is there anything else?

00:10:42.000 I said, Well, I get public, I speak for corporations.

00:10:47.000 So he was trying to find out.

00:10:50.000 And he took a liking to me.

00:10:51.000 He says, basically, what he was telling me, you should brand yourself and not have to travel so much.

00:10:57.000 Because I traveled 250 days last year, we traveled.

00:10:57.000 Yeah.

00:11:00.000 That's a lot.

00:11:01.000 That's a lot.

00:11:02.000 But my wife travels with me, so that's good.

00:11:04.000 That helps.

00:11:04.000 Yeah.

00:11:05.000 What do you want to do with baby Jesus?

00:11:06.000 Let's sit him right there.

00:11:07.000 Set him right there, see if any fish flop out of the sky.

00:11:10.000 I got him facing you.

00:11:12.000 We'll see what happens.

00:11:14.000 And anyway, so he said, basically, you ought to brand yourself, get into something that you can.

00:11:19.000 And I said, well, I don't really know anything, I know football.

00:11:23.000 I can talk football.

00:11:25.000 I know how to make people laugh.

00:11:27.000 I know how to give speeches to major corporations and build a program in the speeches.

00:11:33.000 I know quarter horses.

00:11:34.000 I know how to select horses, show horses.

00:11:40.000 I know how to train them.

00:11:42.000 I don't do that, but I have a trainer for all that now, and I have people for the breeding part of it.

00:11:47.000 And I said, in cattle, I know the bloodlines and things of that nature, but I got people doing that.

00:11:54.000 So I can't.

00:11:55.000 I just got this.

00:11:56.000 I never forgot that.

00:11:58.000 You know, that's William Cole, he's a pretty smart dude.

00:12:01.000 And so we're, I'm home.

00:12:05.000 I think it was kind of a rainy day, and I'm sitting there, my little brain's going, I'm going, you know, what do you want to do?

00:12:13.000 For some reason, I was going, what do you want to do?

00:12:15.000 Because I remember one time, I got real uncomfortable because I didn't have a normal job.

00:12:20.000 So I ran into this guy that owned this cosmetic company, and I said, do you have a job?

00:12:25.000 Could you hire me to teach me the cosmetic industry?

00:12:28.000 And he said, yeah, yeah.

00:12:29.000 He gave me $5,000 a month.

00:12:32.000 So, I had to go to work and put a tie on and a coat because I wanted to be like everybody.

00:12:39.000 Everybody goes to work.

00:12:40.000 But me.

00:12:40.000 Right.

00:12:42.000 I'm playing golf in between speeches, which may be a week, two weeks apart.

00:12:47.000 So I got two weeks of golf and I got, you know, and I just got.

00:12:51.000 When was this that you started?

00:12:52.000 This was 30 years ago.

00:12:53.000 So 30 years ago, you decided to get into the cosmetics business?

00:12:57.000 Yeah.

00:12:58.000 Just to do something?

00:13:00.000 I wanted to be, I wanted to have a job.

00:13:03.000 Really?

00:13:04.000 I know.

00:13:05.000 I wanted to have a job.

00:13:05.000 Wow.

00:13:08.000 I wanted to be like, I think I wanted to see how America works.

00:13:15.000 People get up and kiss their kids goodbye and their wives or husbands and they go off to work.

00:13:20.000 And for some reason, I felt guilty.

00:13:24.000 I didn't have a job.

00:13:25.000 I know it's stupid.

00:13:26.000 I know.

00:13:27.000 It's interesting.

00:13:28.000 So I got a job.

00:13:30.000 Now, here's the thing, Joe.

00:13:32.000 My office, Was right on the road across the street from the golf course I was a member of, and I was watching my buddies come up the fairway.

00:13:42.000 I'd stand at the window and I'd look at them and I'd go, I should be playing golf with those guys right now.

00:13:50.000 Yeah.

00:13:50.000 So, how long did you last?

00:13:53.000 Two months.

00:13:56.000 I couldn't stand it.

00:13:58.000 I'll tell you, man, I couldn't stand it.

00:13:59.000 Most people can't.

00:14:01.000 But I can't explain it other than I just felt guilty.

00:14:07.000 That you know, people say, well, athletes, they got you know, it's true, they got all this money and they got this and they got that.

00:14:14.000 And you smoke cigars, Terry?

00:14:16.000 I do, you want one?

00:14:17.000 All right, let me get you.

00:14:17.000 Yeah, I do.

00:14:18.000 I want a really good one.

00:14:22.000 Oh, yeah.

00:14:22.000 You got them?

00:14:24.000 Hey, I I love, hey, that's my wife.

00:14:28.000 I've got the only, I'm probably married to the only wife who lets me smoke in the house.

00:14:34.000 Really, you married?

00:14:35.000 Yes, I can't smoke in the house.

00:14:36.000 Oh, see there, everything you see in this place is because I can't do anything at home.

00:14:42.000 All the elkheads and all the crazy artwork and Jimi Hendrix and all that jazz.

00:14:47.000 It's like I let her decorate the house.

00:14:47.000 Yeah.

00:14:50.000 You know what I mean?

00:14:50.000 Yeah.

00:14:51.000 It's beautiful.

00:14:52.000 It's very exciting.

00:14:53.000 My house would look like a 16 year old boy won the lottery.

00:14:57.000 That's really cool.

00:14:58.000 I can understand that.

00:14:59.000 I honestly.

00:14:59.000 I don't know why.

00:15:00.000 Missing simulators and.

00:15:01.000 I don't know why my wife lets me smoke.

00:15:05.000 But if she said that.

00:15:07.000 Yeah.

00:15:08.000 Oh, you're saying yours doesn't.

00:15:09.000 No.

00:15:09.000 My wife loves me too, but we make concessions.

00:15:12.000 Okay.

00:15:13.000 You know what I mean?

00:15:14.000 All right.

00:15:14.000 So, anyway, I.

00:15:15.000 But I have a pool room, like where I play pool.

00:15:17.000 In the house?

00:15:18.000 No, it's out.

00:15:19.000 Oh, outside?

00:15:20.000 Out in the barn.

00:15:21.000 And I go out there and I smoke.

00:15:24.000 I have a cigar.

00:15:25.000 This one, sir.

00:15:25.000 Yeah.

00:15:26.000 Oh, bless you.

00:15:26.000 Yeah, this is good.

00:15:29.000 You smoke Cuban cigars?

00:15:30.000 I do when I can get them.

00:15:31.000 But you know what I mean?

00:15:32.000 There's a lot of them that aren't even really Cuban.

00:15:35.000 They're lying to you.

00:15:39.000 There you go, sir.

00:15:40.000 I think out of all the counterfeit stuff.

00:15:42.000 I think this would be the greatest interview.

00:15:44.000 I've ever been a part of.

00:15:46.000 Not only are we going to drink award winning bourbon, Bradshaw Bourbon, by the way, and we're smoking this amazing cigar.

00:15:52.000 Yeah, shout out to Foundation Cigars.

00:15:54.000 Wow.

00:15:55.000 What is this?

00:15:57.000 Dominican, I believe.

00:15:58.000 No, Nicaraguan.

00:15:59.000 Yeah.

00:16:01.000 Is it Our Fathers?

00:16:02.000 Is it Our Fathers?

00:16:04.000 Yeah.

00:16:04.000 The name of the company?

00:16:05.000 No, it's Foundation.

00:16:06.000 Foundation Cigars.

00:16:08.000 I've got to get the name.

00:16:09.000 This is called The Tabernacle.

00:16:10.000 This is his Foundation Cigars.

00:16:13.000 Yeah.

00:16:13.000 Good, right?

00:16:14.000 Oh.

00:16:14.000 Legit, right?

00:16:15.000 Yeah.

00:16:16.000 If I had your kind of money, I could afford these.

00:16:19.000 Foundation.

00:16:20.000 I'll have him send you a box.

00:16:21.000 He'd give them to me for free.

00:16:22.000 Serious?

00:16:23.000 Yeah, he's a friend of the show.

00:16:24.000 Can I get like a monthly delivery?

00:16:26.000 I bet he will.

00:16:28.000 I bet he will just make a little Instagram post or something.

00:16:30.000 Anyway, he'd be happy to hook you up.

00:16:32.000 I got this friend, he built our house, huge elk hunter, which I know you are.

00:16:36.000 And so he goes out and he shoots this massive elk.

00:16:42.000 I mean, this monster.

00:16:43.000 The bottom of his horn was like this big round, just massive, seven by seven.

00:16:50.000 In Idaho?

00:16:51.000 New Mexico.

00:16:52.000 New Mexico's big, yeah.

00:16:54.000 Extraordinary big elk in New Mexico.

00:16:56.000 Shot him with a bow.

00:16:56.000 Yeah.

00:16:57.000 He's a bow hunter like you.

00:16:59.000 And so he brings it home.

00:17:00.000 Now he's got his fireplace, all right?

00:17:03.000 He's got two over here, two over here.

00:17:09.000 Well, you got to balance it up, right?

00:17:11.000 Right.

00:17:11.000 One right in the middle.

00:17:13.000 So he gets his horn.

00:17:15.000 You got the European mount?

00:17:17.000 That's what he does.

00:17:17.000 Yes.

00:17:18.000 So he gets his step ladder.

00:17:20.000 He got his horn.

00:17:22.000 He's got the screw in the wall or whatever you do to hold it.

00:17:25.000 And he's putting it up and he's looking at it and he's like, oh, this is good.

00:17:33.000 This is good.

00:17:35.000 He takes a ladder and he moves out.

00:17:36.000 He goes, gets in his chair.

00:17:38.000 He's admiring his trophies.

00:17:40.000 And it falls down.

00:17:41.000 No, The wife walked in.

00:17:44.000 Oh, no.

00:17:45.000 And she says, What are you doing?

00:17:46.000 He goes, Look, babe, seven by seven.

00:17:50.000 Look, two, two, one in the middle.

00:17:52.000 Perfectly balanced wall.

00:17:54.000 I want that out of here.

00:17:55.000 Oh.

00:17:56.000 What?

00:17:56.000 I want that out of here.

00:17:57.000 Get that out of here.

00:17:58.000 That's not going up there.

00:17:59.000 Bye bye.

00:18:00.000 Get it out of here.

00:18:02.000 He had to take it down.

00:18:03.000 You know where it is now?

00:18:04.000 Where is it now?

00:18:05.000 Garage.

00:18:06.000 I know.

00:18:08.000 I killed him.

00:18:10.000 I said, give it to me.

00:18:11.000 I'll hang it in my living room.

00:18:12.000 My wife doesn't care.

00:18:13.000 That's not good.

00:18:14.000 Massive.

00:18:15.000 Get it out of here.

00:18:15.000 Yeah.

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00:19:31.000 I only have one in my house.

00:19:32.000 It's the first one I ever killed.

00:19:33.000 Yeah.

00:19:34.000 I have a.

00:19:35.000 That's pretty impressive.

00:19:36.000 You shoot an elk or anything with a bow and arrow, you're close.

00:19:40.000 Yeah, it's a lot of work, man.

00:19:41.000 Yeah.

00:19:42.000 It's not easy.

00:19:43.000 It's not easy, but I.

00:19:45.000 I look forward to it every year, like nothing else.

00:19:48.000 Do you go out for two weeks or a week?

00:19:50.000 A week.

00:19:51.000 Usually a week, a week at a time.

00:19:52.000 You go to Mexico or Ireland?

00:19:52.000 Yeah.

00:19:54.000 I haven't been to New Mexico, but I want to.

00:19:57.000 New Mexico is like the Gila Mountains out there.

00:20:00.000 That's supposed to be like one of the best elk.

00:20:03.000 That, Arizona, spots of Utah just for volume, spots of California.

00:20:08.000 Montana's got big elk.

00:20:09.000 Montana's huge elk.

00:20:11.000 I don't know about Wyoming.

00:20:12.000 I know Idaho, Utah has big elk.

00:20:14.000 I'm not an elk hunter, but I know all this because the one time I went elk hunting, I gave my trainer, my horse trainer, my tag.

00:20:22.000 Oh, really?

00:20:23.000 And I just followed him.

00:20:24.000 Yeah, it was cool.

00:20:24.000 Oh, wow.

00:20:26.000 And he shot this huge six by six.

00:20:28.000 Oh, that's cool.

00:20:28.000 So you gave him the tag and just went along with it?

00:20:30.000 Yeah, I just went along, stayed behind when they had, we got down, you know, crawling around.

00:20:35.000 It was, hey, it's an impressive animal.

00:20:39.000 You've never done it?

00:20:40.000 I don't hunt.

00:20:41.000 You don't hunt at all, just fish?

00:20:42.000 I can't hunt.

00:20:43.000 I don't like to shoot stuff.

00:20:45.000 I get it.

00:20:45.000 Yeah.

00:20:46.000 I get it.

00:20:46.000 I'll kill a snake in a heartbeat.

00:20:49.000 Or I even have a hard time killing a mouse.

00:20:53.000 Yeah, I don't know what it is.

00:20:53.000 Really?

00:20:55.000 Snakes scare me.

00:20:57.000 Centipede, I'll crush a centipede for all he's worth.

00:21:00.000 Then put him in a grinder in the kitchen, grind that sucker up, and he might still be alive.

00:21:06.000 You ever been to Hawaii and got a hold of some centipedes?

00:21:09.000 Joe, Joe, Joe, hear me loud and clear.

00:21:14.000 They're dangerous.

00:21:15.000 Yeah, some of them are, yeah.

00:21:16.000 Oh, yeah.

00:21:17.000 Oh, they're gross.

00:21:18.000 Yeah.

00:21:19.000 So, no, I'm not hunting.

00:21:21.000 My brother's a hunter.

00:21:22.000 My dad was a hunter.

00:21:23.000 All my uncles are hunters.

00:21:25.000 I don't know why I never did that.

00:21:27.000 Hey, nothing wrong with that.

00:21:28.000 You don't have to do it.

00:21:29.000 It's not necessary.

00:21:30.000 You could always go to the grocery store.

00:21:32.000 I do that.

00:21:33.000 Yeah, but if you wanted to get it yourself, it's.

00:21:37.000 I enjoy it.

00:21:39.000 I'll go fishing with you.

00:21:39.000 It's like fishing.

00:21:40.000 I don't have to fish, and I love to fish.

00:21:42.000 I don't have to fish as long as you're catching fish and having a good time.

00:21:46.000 That's as much fun for me as any.

00:21:48.000 Oh, mercy!

00:21:50.000 A big island man caught a foot long centipede.

00:21:54.000 That dude caught that on the big island of Hawaii?

00:21:56.000 Hey, check that out.

00:21:57.000 Hey, but look at here, right here.

00:22:00.000 That's crazy.

00:22:01.000 I didn't know they got that big.

00:22:04.000 Is that an invasive one or is that?

00:22:05.000 That can't be native to Hawaii, is it?

00:22:08.000 Yeah.

00:22:10.000 Hawaiian giant centipedes.

00:22:11.000 How you doing?

00:22:12.000 Is there a secret to this?

00:22:12.000 Whoa.

00:22:14.000 Yeah, you flip the top the other way.

00:22:18.000 There you go.

00:22:19.000 That's it.

00:22:20.000 Pull that button down.

00:22:21.000 Oh, this?

00:22:21.000 Yep, there you go.

00:22:22.000 Sorry about that.

00:22:23.000 No worries.

00:22:25.000 That one, for some reason, that lighter confuses the shit out of people.

00:22:29.000 Yeah, it's a pretty good lighter, too.

00:22:30.000 Yeah.

00:22:31.000 Yeah, that was gross, huh?

00:22:33.000 Ugh.

00:22:34.000 Yeah, so you have no problem killing centipedes.

00:22:35.000 You just don't want to kill an animal.

00:22:37.000 I get it.

00:22:38.000 Yeah, yeah, I don't.

00:22:40.000 Well, the thing is, if you don't kill them, they get killed by something.

00:22:42.000 It's usually either winter or mountain lions.

00:22:44.000 We raised 27 mallard ducks, my wife and I. You raise them?

00:22:48.000 Raise them.

00:22:49.000 Raise them.

00:22:50.000 And so I told her this morning, flying down here to Austin.

00:22:53.000 So I told her, I said, we got five ducks left.

00:22:57.000 What happened to them?

00:22:59.000 Stupid ducks.

00:22:59.000 Now, we live way out in the country.

00:23:02.000 What they're doing is coming out of the lake, walking through the field, crossing over the road.

00:23:07.000 Oh, they get crushed.

00:23:08.000 And they're getting hit on the road.

00:23:09.000 Oh.

00:23:10.000 Why?

00:23:12.000 Why, I have no idea.

00:23:13.000 But we got five left out of 27.

00:23:15.000 Are you raising them for eggs?

00:23:17.000 No, we just raise them for fun.

00:23:18.000 For fun?

00:23:19.000 Just to have ducks hanging around?

00:23:20.000 Yeah, we have ducks, chickens, guineas.

00:23:23.000 Duck eggs are interesting.

00:23:24.000 You ever have them?

00:23:25.000 I'm not eating a duck egg.

00:23:26.000 I don't know why.

00:23:27.000 They're darker yolk.

00:23:28.000 You ever had a guinea egg?

00:23:28.000 I know that.

00:23:30.000 Guinea, what is it?

00:23:31.000 Like a guinea hen?

00:23:33.000 Guinea hen, yeah.

00:23:34.000 No, I don't think so.

00:23:35.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:23:37.000 It's good for you, but I.

00:23:38.000 The duck eggs are weird.

00:23:39.000 They like coat your mouth.

00:23:43.000 You know what I mean?

00:23:44.000 But when you eat them, it tastes different, but apparently it's massively high in protein.

00:23:48.000 Yeah, we were talking about eating buffalo and elk, you know, coming in today.

00:23:54.000 And I said, Well, I've had buffalo, and that elk that my trainer killed, I could have all of it I want.

00:24:02.000 I got one little steak.

00:24:05.000 My wife won't let me cook it.

00:24:07.000 So she won't let you cook it?

00:24:09.000 So it's still sitting there.

00:24:12.000 No wild game in the house.

00:24:14.000 See?

00:24:15.000 I know.

00:24:16.000 But it's just meat.

00:24:17.000 I don't know.

00:24:18.000 You met her earlier, did you?

00:24:20.000 She seems like a lovely lady.

00:24:21.000 She does a lovely lady.

00:24:22.000 I understand why she has a problem with wild game.

00:24:25.000 When we leave her today, go and say, hey, Tammy, how about we go over to the house and have a nice little elk steak?

00:24:33.000 That ain't going to happen.

00:24:35.000 Some people have a bad misconception about wild game.

00:24:39.000 They think that it smells bad or tastes bad.

00:24:41.000 I think it tastes bad.

00:24:42.000 I don't like deer.

00:24:43.000 Really?

00:24:44.000 I don't like deer.

00:24:45.000 I like buffalo.

00:24:46.000 I think it's how it's prepared.

00:24:47.000 I guarantee you, if you had deer from someone who prepares it well, you eat duck.

00:24:53.000 Yes.

00:24:53.000 You eat duck?

00:24:54.000 Yes.

00:24:54.000 They do.

00:24:55.000 We try to cook some duck.

00:24:57.000 It was horrible.

00:24:57.000 Yeah.

00:24:58.000 See, this is what we're talking about.

00:25:00.000 No, I think it's just how you're preparing it.

00:25:02.000 Really.

00:25:04.000 I don't know.

00:25:05.000 I do know this.

00:25:07.000 Mr. Chow's got some of the best duck I've ever had.

00:25:10.000 Right.

00:25:10.000 Mr. Chow's in Los Angeles, Beverly Hills.

00:25:12.000 Yeah.

00:25:13.000 That's where I eat duck.

00:25:14.000 Fantastic duck.

00:25:15.000 Yes.

00:25:15.000 Yeah.

00:25:16.000 Now, that's a good thing.

00:25:16.000 Yeah.

00:25:17.000 I think they probably do a better job of preparing it.

00:25:19.000 That's all it is.

00:25:21.000 We tried to do the roux.

00:25:23.000 The roux that you cook duck in.

00:25:25.000 Yeah.

00:25:26.000 It ended up looking like tar.

00:25:28.000 Do you guys, but do you know how to cook?

00:25:28.000 Right.

00:25:31.000 Well, we thought we did.

00:25:35.000 We found that.

00:25:36.000 Is your wife a good cook?

00:25:38.000 Yes, she is.

00:25:39.000 Anthony Bourdain went on this duck hunt with these guys and cooked the duck for them because they were complaining that duck doesn't taste good.

00:25:46.000 And he got mad at them.

00:25:47.000 He's like, listen, listen, listen.

00:25:48.000 Don't say that.

00:25:49.000 It's not that duck doesn't taste good.

00:25:51.000 It's just you don't know what you're doing.

00:25:52.000 And on the show, he prepares it for them.

00:25:54.000 And they're like, this is fantastic.

00:25:56.000 Like, that's how you're supposed to prepare duck.

00:25:58.000 It tastes really good if you do a good job.

00:26:00.000 Mrs. Giles got it down.

00:26:02.000 Yeah, they do.

00:26:03.000 They're chefs, professionals.

00:26:05.000 But my wife and I, we got it out of the computer.

00:26:09.000 You got a recipe?

00:26:09.000 Oh, okay.

00:26:10.000 Yeah.

00:26:11.000 So we got, a friend of mine sent us five mallards.

00:26:15.000 Right.

00:26:16.000 I think we got two of them out because we didn't know what we were doing.

00:26:18.000 Do they cook down and you don't have a half a bird or what?

00:26:21.000 I don't know.

00:26:22.000 So we got, so you got to make a roux, right?

00:26:25.000 You know, the sauce.

00:26:26.000 Right, the sauce.

00:26:28.000 So we got the big pot out.

00:26:30.000 And we're putting this in, that in, this in, that in.

00:26:34.000 Right.

00:26:34.000 Now you heat it, get it this and that.

00:26:36.000 Then you stir, add this and that.

00:26:38.000 And we stir and we stir.

00:26:39.000 And the more we stir, I end up looking like a rubber tire.

00:26:44.000 It was horrible.

00:26:48.000 It was seriously.

00:26:49.000 But Terry, I want you to think about it this way.

00:26:51.000 Imagine if someone learned how to play football from YouTube, never played football before.

00:26:56.000 Oh, let's figure out how to play football.

00:26:57.000 We're going to watch a YouTube video on how to play football.

00:27:00.000 And then they went out there and had a fucking terrible game.

00:27:03.000 They looked like shit, right?

00:27:04.000 Right.

00:27:04.000 That's the same thing as like you learn how to cook from a recipe if you don't know how to cook.

00:27:10.000 I've got a book out called The Bradshaw Family Cookbook.

00:27:14.000 So you can cook?

00:27:15.000 Yeah.

00:27:16.000 Oh, yeah.

00:27:17.000 But I don't cook stuff like that.

00:27:19.000 I make a roux.

00:27:21.000 Now, my son in law, you met Noah?

00:27:23.000 Yes.

00:27:24.000 He's a world renowned, not a world renowned, but he's the number one, voted the number one chef in Dallas.

00:27:29.000 Oh, wow.

00:27:30.000 Yeah.

00:27:31.000 He's from Hawaii.

00:27:32.000 What restaurant does he cook out of Dallas?

00:27:34.000 Hams.

00:27:36.000 They hire him.

00:27:37.000 Okay.

00:27:38.000 Does that make sense?

00:27:39.000 They hire him.

00:27:39.000 Yeah, sure, sure.

00:27:40.000 He does these, goes out and cooks for companies and people.

00:27:43.000 Okay.

00:27:44.000 It's amazing.

00:27:45.000 Matter of fact, I called him yesterday after church and I said, I got some, I always mess up pork, pork chops.

00:27:45.000 Amazing.

00:27:51.000 I love pork chops, but I screw them up.

00:27:54.000 And he said, what you got temperature at?

00:27:56.000 I said 350.

00:27:57.000 He said 20 minutes.

00:27:58.000 Take them off.

00:28:00.000 That's all I needed to know.

00:28:01.000 Perfect.

00:28:02.000 It's beautiful.

00:28:04.000 Yeah.

00:28:05.000 Yeah, you just got to learn how to do it.

00:28:06.000 That's all it is.

00:28:07.000 But it's not that the duck tastes bad.

00:28:09.000 Here's the bad thing about it.

00:28:11.000 I know my banker who's the one I got the ducks from.

00:28:13.000 His name is Drake Mills.

00:28:15.000 His name is Drake.

00:28:16.000 Drake.

00:28:17.000 Drake.

00:28:17.000 Drake ducks.

00:28:18.000 And he has ducks.

00:28:18.000 Ducks.

00:28:19.000 He's a duck hunter.

00:28:20.000 But his name is Drake.

00:28:21.000 Drake.

00:28:21.000 Yeah.

00:28:22.000 That's kind of crazy.

00:28:24.000 I know, but he's serious.

00:28:25.000 How ironic.

00:28:26.000 Serious duck hunter.

00:28:28.000 He plants 500 acres of rice.

00:28:28.000 Serious.

00:28:30.000 Oh, he's serious.

00:28:32.000 Okay.

00:28:32.000 Then he's on the phone with me, bitching.

00:28:34.000 It's 80 degrees.

00:28:38.000 Ducks don't, I mean, they aren't coming in at 80 degrees.

00:28:40.000 Right.

00:28:41.000 Is rice, and he's got water issues.

00:28:43.000 Does he know how to cook duck?

00:28:46.000 I guess.

00:28:46.000 I never, he's never asked me what I want to eat.

00:28:48.000 He ducked, but I asked for some duck.

00:28:53.000 He told me one day he had plenty of duck.

00:28:56.000 And I said, Well, Tammy, we don't shoot stuff, but I like duck.

00:28:59.000 So he sent us five ducks, you know?

00:29:04.000 And that's so.

00:29:05.000 So that's what you cooked?

00:29:06.000 That's what I cooked.

00:29:07.000 I cooked his ducks.

00:29:08.000 Did you ask him how he cooks it?

00:29:10.000 No, I don't think so.

00:29:11.000 No.

00:29:12.000 Probably should have.

00:29:12.000 No.

00:29:13.000 Probably a good idea.

00:29:14.000 Well, I mean, the book.

00:29:16.000 Right.

00:29:17.000 The book.

00:29:17.000 Come on, Joe.

00:29:18.000 Yeah, books are okay.

00:29:19.000 The book says a quarter of a.

00:29:21.000 Really, the right way to do it is to learn from someone who is really good at it.

00:29:23.000 I'm going to tell you, I've got to take a break here.

00:29:25.000 This is pretty dang good.

00:29:26.000 Have you had any more?

00:29:27.000 I have.

00:29:28.000 We need to bump again.

00:29:28.000 Cheers.

00:29:29.000 I'm going to tell you, when this is over with, you'll be sitting over there and I'll be sitting over there.

00:29:29.000 Let's go.

00:29:35.000 Let's try it.

00:29:36.000 It's got quite a kick, I'll tell you that.

00:29:38.000 There's a lot in there.

00:29:39.000 You can tell it's 135 proof.

00:29:41.000 Oh, it's good.

00:29:43.000 I think duck cooking, like, I've heard people say that wild game tastes bad.

00:29:48.000 It's.

00:29:48.000 It's the best tasting meat in the world.

00:29:50.000 It's just how do you cook it?

00:29:51.000 You eat turkey, wild turkey?

00:29:53.000 Yes, I've had wild turkey.

00:29:54.000 Dang.

00:29:54.000 Oh, you're crazy.

00:29:56.000 It was delicious.

00:29:56.000 I've had it.

00:29:57.000 I mean, the only way wild turkey, you eat squirrel.

00:30:00.000 I've had squirrel.

00:30:01.000 Yeah.

00:30:01.000 Now, see, I grew up on squirrel.

00:30:03.000 Now, you tell my wife that, or you tell any of my kids that.

00:30:05.000 Oh, God.

00:30:06.000 This is a lot like chicken, right?

00:30:08.000 It's a lot like chicken.

00:30:09.000 Is that Jill?

00:30:10.000 You're a stand up comedian.

00:30:11.000 So, is that funny?

00:30:12.000 No, it's kind of chicken like.

00:30:14.000 It's almost like a.

00:30:15.000 Squirrels taste like chicken?

00:30:16.000 Well, it's not like a red meat.

00:30:18.000 Do you eat the brain?

00:30:20.000 I have not eaten squirrel brain.

00:30:21.000 Yeah, none of the brain.

00:30:22.000 I've had lamb's brain before.

00:30:26.000 Yeah, my uncle Vinny used to cook it.

00:30:27.000 He used to slice up, they used to sell it in the grocery store in New Jersey.

00:30:31.000 They'd slice up a lamb's skull with the brain inside, like sliced in half, and they'd put two halves on the grill, and they would cook lamb's brains on the grill.

00:30:40.000 Hey, I was like 10, I don't know.

00:30:43.000 Yeah, well, you said my brother and I used to fight over the squirrel head.

00:30:46.000 Now, I don't want to.

00:30:47.000 The squirrel head used to fight over it.

00:30:48.000 I don't want to gross out our viewers out there.

00:30:51.000 Too late.

00:30:53.000 But we, you take them.

00:30:55.000 And you take them and you hit them with a spoon and rip it, crack it open.

00:30:59.000 Delicious.

00:31:01.000 Now, would I eat one today?

00:31:02.000 No.

00:31:03.000 How old were you when you were doing this?

00:31:06.000 I know at least 15, up to 15.

00:31:08.000 Yeah.

00:31:09.000 Didn't think anything of it.

00:31:11.000 Brains are sketchy.

00:31:13.000 Eating brains can get you in trouble.

00:31:15.000 Can I honestly say this?

00:31:17.000 Is this the first interview you've ever done where eating brains has been brought up?

00:31:21.000 Probably not.

00:31:22.000 Have we talked about eating brains before?

00:31:22.000 Oh, not.

00:31:24.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:31:25.000 We have?

00:31:26.000 Yeah, definitely.

00:31:27.000 Yeah.

00:31:27.000 Well, I'm not saying that.

00:31:28.000 Because of prion disease.

00:31:29.000 I thought I'd be special today, but evidently not.

00:31:32.000 I think we talked about it in terms of what mad cow disease is.

00:31:35.000 Mad cow disease comes from them feeding cows cows.

00:31:39.000 It's basically the same disease that cannibals get.

00:31:41.000 Yeah.

00:31:42.000 Yeah, I'm not familiar with that.

00:31:44.000 I know about mad cow disease.

00:31:46.000 They got another one going on right now in South Texas.

00:31:50.000 Some kind of disease.

00:31:51.000 Oh, the screw worm.

00:31:52.000 Screw worm.

00:31:53.000 Bruce told me about that.

00:31:53.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:31:54.000 Which can bother me.

00:31:56.000 New World screw worm.

00:31:57.000 You, horses, dogs.

00:32:00.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:32:01.000 It's apparently a huge problem.

00:32:02.000 Yeah.

00:32:03.000 They had it in America, I think in the 80s, and they pushed it back.

00:32:08.000 They got rid of it.

00:32:09.000 So hopefully they can get rid of it again.

00:32:10.000 But it's apparently a really dangerous parasite.

00:32:13.000 Yeah, it's a parasite.

00:32:15.000 So.

00:32:16.000 I mean, I got in trouble one time for seeing people were having during the COVID thing, they were taking ivermectin.

00:32:25.000 You may have taken ivermectin.

00:32:27.000 And I gave up, I didn't know any better.

00:32:29.000 I thought I knew, but I didn't know.

00:32:32.000 But ivermectin, I used to give it to the cattle.

00:32:36.000 Right.

00:32:37.000 That's what I meant.

00:32:39.000 And I had a, not speaking of brains, this is true.

00:32:39.000 Yeah.

00:32:42.000 We were in Hawaii, I run into a brain surgeon.

00:32:46.000 And he says, are you okay with the COVID thing?

00:32:49.000 And I said, I had it, got over it, you know, I'm all right now.

00:32:55.000 And he says, well, he says, boy, I tell you, he said, I take ivermectin, man.

00:32:59.000 I said, brain surgeon.

00:33:01.000 And I said to him, obviously, I said, really?

00:33:06.000 It's a cattle dewormer.

00:33:07.000 Ivermectin kills parasites.

00:33:11.000 So I just left it at that, and I walked away and went, brain surgeon.

00:33:16.000 I never could rationalize that kind of thinking, but, you know.

00:33:21.000 And won the Nobel Prize for human beings, for use in human beings.

00:33:25.000 Yeah, it's good for yellow fever, dengue fever.

00:33:25.000 No, I didn't know that.

00:33:30.000 It's an antiparasitic that also has antiviral properties.

00:33:34.000 Yeah, I didn't know that.

00:33:35.000 Obviously, I wasn't as well informed as you are.

00:33:37.000 Yeah, well, I got in trouble for it.

00:33:39.000 Oh, so did I.

00:33:41.000 Well, I got in trouble publicly, like on CNN.

00:33:45.000 The White House talked about it.

00:33:47.000 I got over, you don't know the story.

00:33:49.000 And for the people that know the story, I'm sorry I have to repeat it.

00:33:52.000 But during the pandemic, I got COVID, and we had a me and Dave Chappelle were doing a show in Nashville, and I had to cancel it because I had COVID.

00:34:01.000 And so I made a video saying that I feel better, but we have to cancel the shows.

00:34:08.000 I had COVID, I was sick for a couple days, but now I'm fine.

00:34:10.000 And I explained all the stuff that I took.

00:34:13.000 I took a bunch of stuff monoclonal antibodies, and one of the things that I took was ivermectin.

00:34:17.000 Yeah, so it became this huge thing on CNN because they wanted everybody to get vaccinated.

00:34:21.000 So they had all these different people saying that I was taking horse dewormer.

00:34:26.000 Well, Human medication prescribed to me by my doctor, who also took ivermectin, also got COVID, also got better.

00:34:33.000 And he didn't take all the stuff that I took.

00:34:35.000 No.

00:34:36.000 I took a bunch of stuff, but they changed the color of my skin.

00:34:39.000 They made my skin look green on CNN.

00:34:41.000 Like, no bullshit.

00:34:43.000 No bullshit.

00:34:43.000 Oh.

00:34:44.000 Yeah, I do.

00:34:45.000 They literally put a filter on my face to make me look green.

00:34:49.000 They would put a cow's head over me.

00:34:53.000 I honestly did not know that a human.

00:34:58.000 Takes ivermectin.

00:34:59.000 It was actually invented for humans.

00:35:01.000 I actually didn't know that, and I'm thankful that I didn't argue with anybody.

00:35:06.000 He wasn't the only one that told me that.

00:35:08.000 Well, the problem was that was a narrative that was all over the news that it was horse dewormer.

00:35:12.000 And if you're a person who works with animals, with horses, with cows.

00:35:15.000 I only knew it was cattle.

00:35:17.000 It is a dewormer, but that's like saying penicillin is a veterinary medicine.

00:35:21.000 No, well, they use penicillin on animals, they also use penicillin on humans.

00:35:26.000 It's like it's medicine.

00:35:27.000 We're mammals, we have similar medicines.

00:35:29.000 That's what ivermectin is.

00:35:30.000 It stops viral replication.

00:35:33.000 And that's the benefit that a lot of people.

00:35:34.000 Was it proven to stop?

00:35:36.000 Was it proven?

00:35:37.000 There's a ton of studies.

00:35:37.000 There's a lot of people that have written books.

00:35:39.000 I'm not the guy to talk about it, but there's a lot of evidence that the reason why they were not telling people to take ivermectin is because they wanted everybody to get vaccinated.

00:35:47.000 I got one over here.

00:35:48.000 Thank you.

00:35:49.000 But the reason why they wanted everyone to get vaccinated is not because it was effective, it's because they wanted to make a lot of money, and that's what they did.

00:35:56.000 Don't wait.

00:35:56.000 Well, when you're talking about drugs, you're talking about a lot of money.

00:35:59.000 A lot of money.

00:36:01.000 Yeah, a lot of money.

00:36:03.000 So that's why it's ironic that you brought that up because I got caught in the crossfires of the ivermectin bullshit.

00:36:10.000 See, I, but I, you knew more about it than I did because that's.

00:36:14.000 Well, I had to find a farmer.

00:36:15.000 That's all I'd used it for.

00:36:17.000 Yeah, all I used it for.

00:36:18.000 It's very effective as a dewormer.

00:36:20.000 But it also stops viral replication.

00:36:20.000 Yeah.

00:36:23.000 But I wasn't going to take it.

00:36:25.000 I don't care if they'd have said this is guaranteed.

00:36:26.000 I wasn't going to take that.

00:36:27.000 You wouldn't take it even if it was prescribed to you by your doctor?

00:36:31.000 Well, it'd be a different story.

00:36:32.000 Right.

00:36:32.000 Well, my doctor said.

00:36:34.000 But I'm married to a doctor, and my doctor said, we're not taking it.

00:36:37.000 Really?

00:36:38.000 But I took, you know, I'm one of those guys that if they say, I mean, When I got COVID, I was sitting in my dressing room at Fox.

00:36:53.000 Felt fine.

00:36:55.000 Felt fine.

00:36:55.000 We got tested every Sunday morning.

00:36:57.000 We got tested.

00:36:59.000 They came in and said, You got to go.

00:37:00.000 You got to leave.

00:37:02.000 What happened?

00:37:03.000 Oh, you got COVID.

00:37:06.000 I'm like, Did you get sick?

00:37:08.000 No.

00:37:09.000 Oh, now here's the thing.

00:37:10.000 Okay.

00:37:10.000 Here's the thing.

00:37:13.000 The question.

00:37:14.000 That came to mind later was, okay, the guy that drove me over here, the guy that's going to take me to the airport, how am I getting home?

00:37:22.000 Right.

00:37:23.000 Do I stay here in the hotel for 10, 12 days?

00:37:26.000 That was my dilemma.

00:37:28.000 What do I do?

00:37:29.000 But I did get sick.

00:37:30.000 You did eventually?

00:37:31.000 I did, yeah.

00:37:32.000 It took me about four days, and I got real sick.

00:37:35.000 Yeah.

00:37:35.000 Did you do anything during those four days?

00:37:37.000 Were you taking vitamins?

00:37:39.000 Nothing?

00:37:39.000 No.

00:37:40.000 Why not?

00:37:40.000 I don't take vitamins.

00:37:41.000 What?

00:37:42.000 I don't take vitamins.

00:37:43.000 No.

00:37:43.000 How come?

00:37:44.000 You're married to a doctor.

00:37:46.000 I never have taken vitamins.

00:37:48.000 I don't know why.

00:37:48.000 Really?

00:37:49.000 Even when you're playing?

00:37:50.000 No, I take a B12 shot.

00:37:52.000 But I give it to myself.

00:37:52.000 Okay.

00:37:54.000 You give it to yourself?

00:37:55.000 Intramuscular?

00:37:55.000 Yeah.

00:37:56.000 Yeah.

00:37:57.000 A little tube.

00:37:57.000 Okay.

00:37:58.000 We take it after.

00:37:59.000 Bam.

00:37:59.000 I just had them in a big bag.

00:38:00.000 We take them.

00:38:01.000 Okay.

00:38:01.000 That's good for energy.

00:38:02.000 Yeah.

00:38:03.000 Tired, hot, tired.

00:38:04.000 Yeah, sure.

00:38:05.000 A lot of other vitamins, too, though.

00:38:07.000 I don't have a problem with MRI machines, PET scans, surgery.

00:38:11.000 No, I got a bad hip right now.

00:38:13.000 I'm telling you, Joe, it's killing me.

00:38:15.000 Yeah.

00:38:16.000 And I got it injected.

00:38:18.000 With stem cells?

00:38:20.000 No, no, I don't do stem cells.

00:38:20.000 With injection?

00:38:22.000 I don't believe in stem cells.

00:38:22.000 Why not?

00:38:24.000 You don't believe in them?

00:38:24.000 No.

00:38:25.000 But you believe in that little baby Jesus?

00:38:27.000 Absolutely.

00:38:28.000 That catches fish for you?

00:38:29.000 No, this I do believe in.

00:38:31.000 Go ahead and laugh.

00:38:32.000 Joe, you don't want to laugh when I got baby Jesus pointing at you.

00:38:35.000 You better cut that.

00:38:36.000 You're laughing, bro.

00:38:37.000 You better shut that down.

00:38:38.000 If you and I go fishing, I'm going to beg you to point that baby Jesus.

00:38:41.000 I'm going to give you one.

00:38:41.000 No, no, no, no.

00:38:42.000 I got hundreds of these.

00:38:43.000 If we go fishing, I really want to point my way out.

00:38:48.000 I believe that little baby Jesus works.

00:38:50.000 But my question is how come you don't believe in stem cells?

00:38:55.000 I had too many people based just on people that went and did stem cells.

00:39:00.000 Uh huh.

00:39:02.000 And what happened?

00:39:03.000 They went back and did it again.

00:39:05.000 Did it again.

00:39:05.000 Okay.

00:39:06.000 Right.

00:39:07.000 Then what happened?

00:39:08.000 What happened?

00:39:09.000 They went back and did it again.

00:39:10.000 Then what happened?

00:39:10.000 Okay.

00:39:11.000 What happened?

00:39:12.000 They went back and did it again.

00:39:13.000 Got it.

00:39:14.000 Okay.

00:39:14.000 Right.

00:39:14.000 Why'd they keep going back?

00:39:15.000 Because it didn't work.

00:39:17.000 Didn't work at all.

00:39:17.000 Okay.

00:39:18.000 Same symptoms came.

00:39:19.000 No, no, no.

00:39:20.000 It worked.

00:39:20.000 It worked for a little bit.

00:39:21.000 Right.

00:39:21.000 Well, what are these people dealing with?

00:39:23.000 What's wrong with them?

00:39:24.000 They're going back and back and back.

00:39:26.000 Mostly knees and ankles.

00:39:30.000 So you're probably talking about arthritis.

00:39:30.000 Okay.

00:39:32.000 Yeah.

00:39:33.000 Probably talking about degenerative knee conditions, ankle conditions.

00:39:37.000 So, the amount of damage that you're trying to repair with stem cells, you're going to get a little bit of benefit in something like that if it's that far gone.

00:39:45.000 But stem cells work.

00:39:46.000 I don't, you know, good.

00:39:48.000 I'm glad.

00:39:49.000 I'm glad they work.

00:39:50.000 You do stem cells?

00:39:51.000 100%.

00:39:53.000 What hurts?

00:39:53.000 What?

00:39:53.000 I had a rotator cuff tear that completely went away.

00:39:56.000 Now, that's at least a year.

00:39:58.000 That's what you say.

00:39:59.000 At least a year.

00:40:00.000 I had a full length rotator cuff tear.

00:40:02.000 I got stem cells shot into it.

00:40:04.000 Oh, full tear.

00:40:04.000 Full tear.

00:40:05.000 My doctor told me I 100% was going to need surgery.

00:40:09.000 I went to an orthopedic surgeon.

00:40:11.000 That the UFC recommended.

00:40:13.000 So they sent me to their gut.

00:40:14.000 So you just asked, Joe, excuse me.

00:40:15.000 But if I finish this, I'm probably going to believe you.

00:40:15.000 Please go.

00:40:18.000 You don't have to believe me or not believe me.

00:40:20.000 I'm telling the truth.

00:40:21.000 So I went to this doctor.

00:40:22.000 He said, You have a full length rotator cuff tear.

00:40:25.000 He goes, You could rehab it if you want.

00:40:25.000 You're going to need surgery.

00:40:27.000 You could try, maybe make it a little bit better.

00:40:29.000 But ultimately, you're just putting off the surgery.

00:40:32.000 So I get this stem cell treatment in Vegas.

00:40:34.000 Dr. Roddy McGee hooks me up with the stem cell treatment.

00:40:37.000 And then six months later, he gives me an MRI and he says, The rotator cuff tear is completely gone.

00:40:43.000 He goes, I've never seen anything like this in my life.

00:40:45.000 He goes, it's gone.

00:40:47.000 Literally, the tear doesn't exist.

00:40:49.000 You had baby Jesus in your pocket.

00:40:50.000 No, I had science.

00:40:53.000 All right.

00:40:54.000 Hey.

00:40:54.000 It works.

00:40:55.000 You'd be silly to ignore breakthrough science like this because there's a reason why so many people are doing it.

00:41:02.000 And the reason why so many people are doing it is look, it's not a miracle.

00:41:05.000 It's not going to fix things that are unfixable.

00:41:08.000 Like bone on bone arthritis.

00:41:09.000 It's not going to fix that.

00:41:10.000 That's what I'm doing.

00:41:10.000 But it might reduce some of the inflammation and give you at least temporary relief, which is why these people keep going back again and again and again.

00:41:17.000 When I got cancer.

00:41:19.000 I had to do certain treatments and I have rheumatoid arthritis.

00:41:24.000 Now, if I were still on my rheumatoid arthritis medicine, which I haven't been for three years now, I probably wouldn't be having the pain that I'm having.

00:41:34.000 But you can't take the rheumatoid arthritis after you have radiation.

00:41:40.000 And so do you want to risk that?

00:41:44.000 Plus, I kept getting all these cancer things.

00:41:49.000 So, you had two types of cancer, right?

00:41:51.000 I had bladder and Merkel cell, which is 2% of America has Merkel cell.

00:41:51.000 You had skin cancer.

00:41:56.000 Both of them, the bladder cancer was.

00:42:02.000 I went to a doctor in Dallas.

00:42:05.000 He checked me and he says, Well, you got a little blood in your urine, but that's fine.

00:42:09.000 That's normal or something like that.

00:42:12.000 And I kept complaining.

00:42:13.000 And as it went on, finally I told my wife, I said, Boy, something's not right.

00:42:17.000 And so she researched and found the best doctor was at Yale University, Yale.

00:42:22.000 So I went up to New Haven, Connecticut for testing, went in, exploratory biopsy, came out and said, you got bladder cancer.

00:42:32.000 Wow.

00:42:33.000 It's a funny story about that.

00:42:35.000 Funny story.

00:42:36.000 There's nothing funny about cancer.

00:42:38.000 But the last time I got divorced, you ever been divorced?

00:42:42.000 No.

00:42:42.000 Okay, good.

00:42:43.000 Good for you.

00:42:44.000 So the last time I got divorced, my wife calls me in.

00:42:49.000 She says, I need for you to sit down.

00:42:52.000 I don't love you anymore.

00:42:53.000 I want a divorce.

00:42:56.000 Oh, all right.

00:42:57.000 End of that story.

00:42:59.000 Right.

00:42:59.000 So, my wife's sitting outside after she gets the reports.

00:43:04.000 I didn't know she got the report.

00:43:05.000 She says, honey, I need for you to sit down.

00:43:11.000 I ain't sitting down.

00:43:13.000 I don't want another divorce.

00:43:14.000 That's the first time I clapped into my head.

00:43:18.000 The last time I heard a woman tell me, sit down.

00:43:21.000 I need for you to sit down.

00:43:22.000 My ass is out of there at 5 o'clock that afternoon.

00:43:25.000 Boy.

00:43:27.000 Boy.

00:43:27.000 Hey.

00:43:28.000 I thought, yeah, that was.

00:43:30.000 I wouldn't sit down.

00:43:31.000 She said, you got bladder cancer.

00:43:33.000 And I said, all right, all right.

00:43:34.000 At least when I get divorced.

00:43:36.000 I can deal with bladder cancer.

00:43:37.000 I can't deal with another divorce.

00:43:39.000 You want to hear a crazy story about stem cells and bladder?

00:43:43.000 Let me ask you something.

00:43:44.000 This woman, let me tell you something.

00:43:45.000 Let me tell you something about stem cells.

00:43:47.000 They made a bladder for this woman out of stem cells.

00:43:50.000 She had some sort of a bladder issue.

00:43:53.000 I don't remember if it was cancer or what it was, but she had to have her bladder removed.

00:43:56.000 They made a completely new bladder for her out of stem cells with her own skin tissue, put it back in her body, and now that's her bladder.

00:44:06.000 So, stem cells work.

00:44:08.000 Did that make the news?

00:44:09.000 Yeah.

00:44:09.000 Oh, sure.

00:44:10.000 There are articles written about it.

00:44:11.000 Yeah, she's a peer reviewed paper.

00:44:12.000 She's been here?

00:44:13.000 No, she has not been here, nor has the doctor that did it.

00:44:16.000 But I'm aware of the story.

00:44:17.000 It's like putting it in a bowl and you grow it in a bowl and then.

00:44:20.000 I don't know how they did it because I'm a moron, but someone very smart.

00:44:23.000 I'm a moron when it comes to stuff like that.

00:44:25.000 Someone very smart figured out how to make a bladder for the stem cells.

00:44:28.000 But it works for you and you believe it, or who am I to call it?

00:44:30.000 What do you mean, believe it?

00:44:31.000 Like, she's got a bladder now.

00:44:33.000 No, if you believe it, fine.

00:44:35.000 But I mean, I mean, Fine.

00:44:37.000 That's fine.

00:44:38.000 Listen, if you ever get injured, holler at me.

00:44:40.000 I'll bring it a ways to well, get you some stem cells, and then we'll have another conversation afterwards.

00:44:44.000 You're like, wow, it fixed it.

00:44:46.000 We're not arguing here.

00:44:48.000 No, we're not arguing, but I'm saying there's real reasons why these people travel to Tijuana and go to these different places.

00:44:57.000 And they die in Tijuana.

00:45:00.000 What was a great actor that went to Mexico to have all the stem cells done?

00:45:05.000 Who did that?

00:45:07.000 He was the ghost.

00:45:09.000 What was his name?

00:45:11.000 The actor.

00:45:13.000 Also, he went to Mexico and died?

00:45:15.000 Two actors went down there for stem cells.

00:45:17.000 When stem cells first came out, you know, they wouldn't do it.

00:45:20.000 Remember when they wouldn't do it in America?

00:45:22.000 So they were going to Germany and they were going to Mexico.

00:45:22.000 Yes.

00:45:26.000 Yeah, Germany was a lot for regenikine.

00:45:28.000 Yeah, they were going for different procedures.

00:45:30.000 Because I know Fred Couples was going to Germany.

00:45:32.000 Well, I mean, Kobe Bryant went to Germany.

00:45:34.000 Peyton Manning went to Germany.

00:45:36.000 They went to Germany for regenikine, which is like a very.

00:45:40.000 That's not stem cells as much.

00:45:41.000 That's something.

00:45:42.000 What is it?

00:45:43.000 It's a very advanced form of platelet rich plasma, like PRP.

00:45:47.000 It's like PRP, but it's way more effective.

00:45:50.000 I had that done too.

00:45:51.000 That cured a bulging disc for me.

00:45:53.000 Now, one of the things they're doing now, and I don't know what it is, I don't know how we got on this, by the way.

00:45:58.000 Stem cells.

00:45:59.000 Yeah.

00:46:00.000 But cancer is now, what's it called?

00:46:05.000 Where you go in, they spin your blood, and they then put it back in you.

00:46:11.000 What is that called?

00:46:12.000 PRP?

00:46:13.000 That's what we were just talking about.

00:46:14.000 Platelet rich plasma.

00:46:16.000 Then they put it back in?

00:46:17.000 Yeah.

00:46:19.000 Look.

00:46:19.000 Interesting.

00:46:20.000 There's a bunch of different things.

00:46:21.000 Plasmapheresis.

00:46:22.000 It's another thing they take the plasma out.

00:46:25.000 I don't know why.

00:46:26.000 And I'm not sitting here saying, hey, Joe, you're crazy.

00:46:32.000 All right.

00:46:33.000 You wouldn't be the first.

00:46:33.000 You did it.

00:46:34.000 No.

00:46:35.000 You did it.

00:46:36.000 It happened for you.

00:46:36.000 You believe in it.

00:46:39.000 You know, all right.

00:46:40.000 I don't mind taking a shot.

00:46:41.000 I'll take a shot all day long.

00:46:43.000 Okay.

00:46:44.000 You put anything in your body with a needle?

00:46:46.000 Anything?

00:46:47.000 Not anything.

00:46:49.000 I mean, I'm pretty careful about it.

00:46:50.000 Yeah.

00:46:51.000 I would hope so.

00:46:52.000 Yeah.

00:46:53.000 I don't just try it out.

00:46:54.000 No.

00:46:54.000 See what happens when I put this in my body with a needle.

00:46:57.000 Yeah.

00:46:58.000 It's.

00:46:59.000 Look, I got a sister-in-law that's totally this way, and I'm totally that way.

00:47:05.000 You're one way, and I'm.

00:47:06.000 That's what makes the world.

00:47:06.000 And that's good.

00:47:07.000 What does the sister-in-law do?

00:47:08.000 What do you mean?

00:47:09.000 What does that mean?

00:47:10.000 Is she a liberal?

00:47:14.000 No, absolutely not.

00:47:16.000 Very much Republican conservative.

00:47:18.000 Okay.

00:47:18.000 Yeah.

00:47:19.000 So how is she different than you?

00:47:21.000 Well, I. If it works and I think it's going to work, I'm not afraid to try it.

00:47:21.000 What way?

00:47:28.000 Right.

00:47:29.000 I was, when I got diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis, and I'm laying in a hospital, and they take me and they isolate me.

00:47:38.000 Isolate me.

00:47:39.000 Because they didn't know what was wrong with me.

00:47:42.000 Test, test, test, test.

00:47:46.000 Boy, I'm in a hurry.

00:47:47.000 Then to go in and do, I want to say stem cells.

00:47:53.000 I want to say it because that's the first thing that comes to mind.

00:47:56.000 Went into my knee and.

00:48:00.000 I sat in the hospital for two more days and felt fine.

00:48:03.000 And then they released me and I went home.

00:48:06.000 And I was home one day.

00:48:09.000 And in the middle of the night, I'm screaming and hollering in pain.

00:48:12.000 My wife, she gets up.

00:48:14.000 And thank God, at that time, I owned a plane.

00:48:18.000 So I could get on the plane and get back to Florida.

00:48:22.000 And got down there.

00:48:23.000 And that's when they found out I had rheumatoid arthritis.

00:48:27.000 And they had to bring a specialist in to find out what the hell was going on with me.

00:48:30.000 So is it only the knees?

00:48:32.000 Yeah, only the knee.

00:48:33.000 Okay.

00:48:34.000 Only the knee.

00:48:34.000 That's where the knee.

00:48:36.000 I never, there's no rheumatoid arthritis in my family.

00:48:40.000 You keep finding rheumatoid arthritis systemic.

00:48:40.000 None.

00:48:43.000 When most people have it, don't they have it everywhere?

00:48:46.000 Well, yeah, but look at.

00:48:46.000 That's what I thought.

00:48:48.000 But if you have it in here.

00:48:49.000 Yeah, but look, this finger's just turning.

00:48:52.000 That thumb's just now turning.

00:48:54.000 My hands, right now, because I don't take any medicine, the only thing that hurts in the morning before I take, I take a Do you take Celebrex?

00:49:04.000 Do you believe in Celebrex?

00:49:05.000 What is Celebrex?

00:49:06.000 Anti inflammatory.

00:49:07.000 No, I don't take it.

00:49:08.000 Okay, I take an inflammatory in the morning.

00:49:10.000 That's all I take.

00:49:10.000 That's a chromatic.

00:49:11.000 Okay, I take an anti inflammatory, and that takes about 80% of the pain away.

00:49:16.000 It doesn't hurt anywhere else.

00:49:19.000 Now, my hip is starting to kill me.

00:49:23.000 My ankle was killing me.

00:49:25.000 How many years did you play football for?

00:49:27.000 14, professional.

00:49:27.000 14.

00:49:29.000 That's high school, junior high, high school, college, professional.

00:49:33.000 And I played back in the 70s when.

00:49:37.000 I mean, come on.

00:49:38.000 Shit hit the fan back then.

00:49:38.000 Yeah.

00:49:40.000 What were the surgeries like back then?

00:49:40.000 Right.

00:49:42.000 Yeah.

00:49:42.000 You know, I mean, it was tough.

00:49:43.000 Yeah.

00:49:44.000 Back then, they'd shoot you up.

00:49:46.000 You know, you're going to play.

00:49:48.000 That's how it was.

00:49:49.000 You're going to play.

00:49:51.000 When I pulled my stomach muscles and they would shoot me up before the game.

00:49:56.000 And then at halftime, I'd get shot up again.

00:49:59.000 What were they shooting me up?

00:50:00.000 Stomach block.

00:50:01.000 I tore the oblique.

00:50:04.000 You tore your oblique and they just made you keep playing.

00:50:06.000 They didn't make me.

00:50:07.000 But.

00:50:08.000 I wanted to keep playing.

00:50:09.000 What were they shooting you up with?

00:50:10.000 Cortisone or something?

00:50:11.000 I don't know.

00:50:11.000 Stuff.

00:50:12.000 Stuff.

00:50:13.000 I don't know.

00:50:14.000 Joe, I'm not a doctor.

00:50:15.000 Come on, man.

00:50:16.000 Are you a doctor?

00:50:17.000 Hey, let me just say this.

00:50:18.000 I could play, all right?

00:50:19.000 I guess.

00:50:20.000 I didn't have a problem with it.

00:50:21.000 Okay.

00:50:22.000 It worked.

00:50:22.000 Scary.

00:50:23.000 You don't want your legs up in the air and some doctor coming in there and didn't give it a thought at all.

00:50:30.000 You know, it's kind of the way it was.

00:50:35.000 It was the unspoken.

00:50:38.000 Bravado.

00:50:39.000 Got it.

00:50:40.000 You know that.

00:50:40.000 Yeah.

00:50:41.000 Football players, they back in the 50s and the 60s.

00:50:45.000 Oh my goodness.

00:50:45.000 Jeez, Louise.

00:50:47.000 Well, what year did you start playing professionally?

00:50:50.000 70s.

00:50:52.000 Wow.

00:50:53.000 I'm 77.

00:50:55.000 Wow.

00:50:55.000 You're what?

00:50:56.000 50?

00:50:57.000 58.

00:50:58.000 Almost 59.

00:50:59.000 Yeah.

00:50:59.000 I'm 77.

00:50:59.000 Yeah.

00:51:01.000 Super 78.

00:51:02.000 So I just didn't think of it.

00:51:04.000 I said, well, how'd you get used to all that?

00:51:05.000 I grew up with it.

00:51:07.000 When you grow up with it, it's normal.

00:51:09.000 Normal.

00:51:10.000 Yeah.

00:51:10.000 It's all part of the.

00:51:12.000 You play.

00:51:12.000 And as a quarterback, I think back then, or anytime, quarterbacks play.

00:51:16.000 Coach has got to know that he can rely on his quarterback to be out there and no matter what.

00:51:22.000 And I even had one coach say, Hey, you always play hurt.

00:51:27.000 You always play hurt.

00:51:28.000 Yeah, I do, don't I?

00:51:30.000 Shoot me up.

00:51:32.000 Knock it.

00:51:33.000 Shoot me up with stuff.

00:51:34.000 Yeah, let's have it.

00:51:35.000 Stuff, yeah.

00:51:37.000 You don't ask what it is.

00:51:40.000 You want to hear.

00:51:42.000 We played Cincinnati one year, and the night before the game, there's a lineup of players going into a room to be shot up.

00:51:51.000 Whoa.

00:51:52.000 Yo.

00:51:53.000 Yeah.

00:51:54.000 It's just normal.

00:51:56.000 And you don't know what they were shooting them up with?

00:51:58.000 No.

00:51:59.000 Well, we played, didn't we?

00:52:01.000 I told you stuff.

00:52:05.000 And you didn't think anything of it?

00:52:07.000 Right.

00:52:07.000 Nobody.

00:52:08.000 It was just normal.

00:52:09.000 Normal.

00:52:10.000 Normal.

00:52:11.000 Yeah.

00:52:11.000 You got to play.

00:52:12.000 He's a doctor.

00:52:13.000 Hey, it's part of the, you know, everybody, hey, you know.

00:52:16.000 Did they have steroids back then?

00:52:18.000 Yeah, they did.

00:52:20.000 I just didn't know why one player was built like Atlas.

00:52:27.000 Skin tight, muscles bulging.

00:52:29.000 Didn't know, you know.

00:52:32.000 Didn't know anything about it.

00:52:33.000 Howie Long, you never had Howie on the Howie's.

00:52:35.000 No, I've never had Howie.

00:52:36.000 Howie's amazing.

00:52:38.000 Now, Howie tells this story.

00:52:39.000 He was a rookie defensive tackler, no, defensive end at this time.

00:52:44.000 He lined up over our tight end, Larry Brown, whose arms were this big around, and he had like a 22 inch waist, massive legs, ripped, every muscle.

00:52:53.000 You could see the muscles in it.

00:52:54.000 It's the most gorgeous body on a human being you've ever seen.

00:53:00.000 And he put his arm down.

00:53:02.000 You know, getting in position and how he lined up over him and how he tells us how he's the best and how he goes, You gotta be effing kidding me.

00:53:12.000 He said he'd never seen anything like that.

00:53:15.000 So I'm not saying Larry did steroids or anything like that, but he was.

00:53:20.000 But he might have.

00:53:22.000 Might have.

00:53:22.000 I don't know.

00:53:23.000 He might have.

00:53:23.000 Some people were.

00:53:24.000 What year did steroids enter into sports?

00:53:24.000 Yeah.

00:53:27.000 Well, I think it became an issue after the 70s, correct?

00:53:32.000 Well, it was an issue in the Olympics.

00:53:34.000 And one of the things they were noticing was Eastern Bloc women.

00:53:38.000 Hey, I'm going to do an interview.

00:53:40.000 Okay, Nancy.

00:53:42.000 They were very womanly.

00:53:44.000 Yeah.

00:53:44.000 They seemed to.

00:53:45.000 And then those women reported about it.

00:53:48.000 They talked about it back in the day that they were forced to take steroids and it ruined their life.

00:53:54.000 Not good for you, that's for sure.

00:53:56.000 Not good for a woman to take hyper male for sure.

00:54:00.000 For a woman to take hyper male.

00:54:01.000 You and I could probably sit here.

00:54:05.000 And talk about certain athletes that have had such a body change.

00:54:09.000 All right.

00:54:10.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:54:11.000 And go, you know, you've got to be kidding me.

00:54:16.000 Yeah.

00:54:17.000 And then I think, rightly or justifiably so, it was probably due to steroids.

00:54:24.000 We wouldn't want to say that, wouldn't want to mention it.

00:54:26.000 I'd say it.

00:54:26.000 Yeah.

00:54:27.000 Well, I know a lot of guys who have taken steroids, especially because of the early days of the UFC.

00:54:27.000 Yeah.

00:54:32.000 Everybody was taking steroids.

00:54:32.000 Yeah.

00:54:34.000 Yeah.

00:54:34.000 You can't just say it.

00:54:35.000 And Pride and Japan, everyone was taking steroids.

00:54:38.000 Yeah.

00:54:38.000 It.

00:54:38.000 Not everyone, but most people.

00:54:41.000 But there's a good percentage of people.

00:54:41.000 Rampage didn't.

00:54:44.000 Well, you found out later that steroids are not good for you.

00:54:47.000 They soften the tendons, the ligaments, and then all of a sudden these athletes start having problems.

00:54:52.000 They start getting hurt.

00:54:57.000 I think what happens is the muscles are too strong for the tendons.

00:55:00.000 Because tendons take too long.

00:55:02.000 They don't grow at the same pace as muscle tissue does when you're on steroids, they don't have the same sort of circulation.

00:55:07.000 I don't know anything about steroids.

00:55:08.000 I don't know the dynamics or the physiology.

00:55:11.000 The physics of it.

00:55:14.000 I know the muscles get big, but the tendons don't grow.

00:55:18.000 What it is is the muscles.

00:55:19.000 Exactly.

00:55:20.000 It takes longer for tendons to strengthen.

00:55:23.000 Tendons don't have as much circulation.

00:55:24.000 They don't have a good blood supply.

00:55:26.000 That's why it's so hard when a tendon gets injured to heal.

00:55:29.000 So, what happens a lot of times is these guys develop these massive muscles and they can move so much more weight, but the tendons haven't really caught up to what the muscles can do.

00:55:38.000 And a lot of times these guys wind up blowing out tendons.

00:55:41.000 I mean, that wrestling bunch, I mean, every one of those guys looked like an Adonis.

00:55:46.000 Oh, yeah, especially back in the day.

00:55:47.000 Hey, Schwarzenegger.

00:55:49.000 Schwarzenegger.

00:55:51.000 Yeah.

00:55:51.000 Well, he's open about it.

00:55:52.000 You know, he took a lot of stuff.

00:55:53.000 You know what?

00:55:55.000 We know it.

00:55:56.000 Someone say it.

00:55:57.000 We're not stupid.

00:55:57.000 Yeah.

00:55:58.000 Well, that's a sport where it's required.

00:56:00.000 If you want to be Mr. Olympia, there's no way to get that kind of a body without steroids.

00:56:04.000 It doesn't exist.

00:56:06.000 What about the WrestleMania bunch?

00:56:09.000 You were part of that.

00:56:10.000 I wasn't a part of that.

00:56:10.000 I wasn't.

00:56:14.000 But I'm sure a bunch of those guys probably take it too.

00:56:17.000 That's how you get big.

00:56:19.000 And if you're a wrestler and you want to be on WrestleMania, if you want to be a professional wrestler, you want to be this hulking figure, there's one way to do it.

00:56:25.000 You've got to take steroids.

00:56:27.000 You know, it's not a normal physique for someone to attain.

00:56:30.000 And you don't get tested for it.

00:56:31.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:56:32.000 That's why the early days of the UFC, there was no testing.

00:56:35.000 And then when it started getting sanctioned, we were tested by athletic commissions.

00:56:40.000 And then eventually the UFC realized we've got a real problem where these guys are figuring out how to beat the athletic commissions testing because it's only one day.

00:56:48.000 So it was really more, they would call it an intelligence test rather than an IQ test.

00:56:53.000 Yeah.

00:56:54.000 And so then they started using USADA, and USADA would just randomly test people.

00:56:58.000 And then they started catching people.

00:56:59.000 And that's when physiques really changed.

00:57:01.000 Yeah, I, you know, that year, I'll say it, that year when those baseball players are hitting 60 home runs like it was nothing.

00:57:11.000 Yeah.

00:57:12.000 And you're looking at them and you're going, she is.

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00:58:16.000 Yeah.

00:58:16.000 Oh, yeah.

00:58:17.000 That was the best.

00:58:18.000 Yeah.

00:58:19.000 They should give them all steroids.

00:58:20.000 It's the only time baseball's fun.

00:58:22.000 I'll tell you what.

00:58:24.000 It was, yeah.

00:58:25.000 The viewers were tuning in, Dan.

00:58:27.000 100%.

00:58:28.000 Yeah.

00:58:29.000 The Mark McGuire, Sammy Sosa days, Barry Bonds.

00:58:32.000 Yeah.

00:58:33.000 Barry went from 185 to.

00:58:38.000 I met Barry when he was normal sized.

00:58:40.000 Yeah.

00:58:40.000 When he was like a normal athlete, and then he just got giant.

00:58:43.000 But also, he was a great baseball player first.

00:58:46.000 And then you give him all those steroids, and now he's got all this muscle, and he's just cracking him out of the park.

00:58:46.000 First.

00:58:52.000 Those are the good old days.

00:58:53.000 They should have looked away.

00:58:55.000 They should have turned their head away.

00:58:58.000 Boy, I'll tell you what.

00:58:59.000 I don't see nothing.

00:59:00.000 Everybody should have shut the fuck up and let these guys take steroids.

00:59:04.000 Let's go.

00:59:05.000 Do you like home runs or not?

00:59:08.000 Let's go.

00:59:11.000 That's from Joe Rogan, ladies and gentlemen.

00:59:12.000 We'll be back in a minute.

00:59:14.000 The problem is it's the great American pastime, and you don't want to associate the great American pastime with what people think is cheating.

00:59:21.000 But that's.

00:59:22.000 Yeah.

00:59:23.000 Look, there's guys that didn't need to do it to be in the Hall of Fame, and they're getting barred from the Hall of Fame.

00:59:29.000 Barry's one of them.

00:59:29.000 That's true.

00:59:31.000 Barry was a great player without it.

00:59:32.000 Fantastic player.

00:59:33.000 Yeah.

00:59:34.000 So was Mark McGuire.

00:59:34.000 Mark McGuire.

00:59:35.000 And so was Sammy Sosa.

00:59:36.000 Yeah.

00:59:37.000 Didn't need it.

00:59:40.000 Maybe they didn't think they'd be noticed.

00:59:41.000 Maybe they didn't think they'd get caught.

00:59:43.000 These guys got giant.

00:59:45.000 I don't know how they didn't think the people would notice.

00:59:48.000 They got enormous.

00:59:49.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:59:51.000 But, you know, hey, it is what it is.

00:59:53.000 I mean,.

00:59:55.000 It was a fun time, though.

00:59:56.000 Yeah.

00:59:57.000 Fun time for baseball.

00:59:58.000 You know, I remember people asked me, they said, You didn't know your guys were on steroids?

01:00:03.000 And hell, I didn't know what steroids was.

01:00:06.000 I remember one time I was at the Hall of Fame.

01:00:10.000 That was the question that came to me about steroids.

01:00:12.000 I didn't know any better.

01:00:13.000 I said, Well, hell, everybody takes steroids.

01:00:15.000 I took steroids for this, you know, but not antibiotic steroids.

01:00:19.000 Right, you took cortisone.

01:00:20.000 Yeah, I didn't correlate the two differences.

01:00:23.000 And one guy comes up to me, You idiot.

01:00:27.000 It's.

01:00:27.000 There's two types, at least we know of, and I didn't know.

01:00:31.000 That's actually fine.

01:00:32.000 You know what?

01:00:33.000 Let me tell you the truth.

01:00:35.000 Tell me the truth.

01:00:36.000 I'm glad that I was blindfolded.

01:00:39.000 I'm glad my brain didn't function like that.

01:00:41.000 I'm glad I didn't look at anybody and go, What's he on?

01:00:44.000 I didn't look.

01:00:45.000 I just, hell, they're lifting weights, brother.

01:00:47.000 They're just lifting weights.

01:00:48.000 God bless them.

01:00:50.000 Well, that's a good attitude to have.

01:00:52.000 Yeah, and then they say, Well, your team was on steroids.

01:00:55.000 Well, if that's the case, it wasn't illegal.

01:01:01.000 Everybody was doing it.

01:01:02.000 Right.

01:01:02.000 Not only that, but let's be realistic.

01:01:04.000 Most teams were on steroids because you're professionals and you want to do your best.

01:01:09.000 And if you got a bunch of guys and the way they could do their best is to be as strong as they possibly can be, they're going to take steroids, especially when it's legal.

01:01:17.000 Yeah, it just.

01:01:18.000 Especially when it's legal.

01:01:19.000 You don't want to say it was a product of the times, but in essence it was.

01:01:24.000 Well, every time the times change, when there's something effective that comes along like steroids, you're going to have a bunch of people that want an edge.

01:01:29.000 And, you know, there was a time where people thought of creatine like steroids.

01:01:33.000 Right?

01:01:33.000 Yeah.

01:01:34.000 Yeah.

01:01:34.000 Creatine is a very beneficial supplement that everybody should take.

01:01:38.000 It's great for your brain.

01:01:40.000 It's great for mitochondrial function.

01:01:42.000 It's great for muscle.

01:01:42.000 Blueberries are good for your brain.

01:01:44.000 Blueberries are good for your brain.

01:01:45.000 Frank O'Hara used to tell me, Brad, are you eating a lot of blueberries?

01:01:49.000 I said, Frank, you're not going to believe this, but I buy blueberries all the time because of you.

01:01:54.000 He goes, it's good for your brain.

01:01:55.000 Good for your brain.

01:01:56.000 And I love blueberries.

01:01:56.000 They are.

01:01:57.000 Yeah.

01:01:57.000 A lot of antioxidants in them, too.

01:01:59.000 Yeah.

01:02:00.000 Blueberries are just great, period.

01:02:01.000 Yeah.

01:02:02.000 But, you know, when you're doing things for your body, when you're a professional athlete, Of course, there's going to be a bunch of people that are on steroids.

01:02:11.000 If you want to get bigger, that's the way to do it.

01:02:14.000 What are we doing here?

01:02:15.000 We lying?

01:02:16.000 I think they do it today.

01:02:18.000 Do you think they don't do it today?

01:02:20.000 That's the real question.

01:02:21.000 They definitely do something.

01:02:21.000 I asked you.

01:02:23.000 They do whatever the fuck they can get away with.

01:02:24.000 You see how big these kids are coming out of high school?

01:02:26.000 Well, there's also genetics.

01:02:28.000 People change.

01:02:29.000 Well, kids nowadays are eating better, training better, eating better, more nutrition.

01:02:34.000 Exactly.

01:02:35.000 They're huge.

01:02:36.000 They're huge.

01:02:38.000 You know, I think my offensive line in the 70s averaged about Maybe 260.

01:02:43.000 Wow.

01:02:45.000 It's like a hundred pounds difference in today, right?

01:02:47.000 Yeah.

01:02:48.000 Now you're loving these coaches.

01:02:49.000 My offensive line this year is going to be 6'5, 372.

01:02:55.000 And you go, whoa.

01:02:58.000 Now, can they move?

01:02:59.000 And then they'll say something like, but got quick feet.

01:03:03.000 Okay.

01:03:04.000 Got quick feet.

01:03:05.000 I love quick feet.

01:03:06.000 It's crazy when you see some of these guys doing the 40.

01:03:09.000 You've been on the sideline?

01:03:10.000 I've watched videos.

01:03:11.000 I haven't been live.

01:03:12.000 Go to the sideline.

01:03:13.000 Go to seven feet tall, 440 pounds.

01:03:19.000 That is crazy.

01:03:20.000 Look at that.

01:03:22.000 7'380.

01:03:24.000 Oh my God.

01:03:25.000 Look at that.

01:03:26.000 As an eighth grader, go back to that picture.

01:03:28.000 As an eighth grader, he was 6'10, 450 pounds in fucking junior high school.

01:03:36.000 Junior high school.

01:03:39.000 Yeah.

01:03:40.000 Desmond Weston.

01:03:41.000 Look at Desmond Watson.

01:03:43.000 Look at that.

01:03:44.000 Where's he going?

01:03:44.000 464 pounds.

01:03:46.000 Heaviest player.

01:03:47.000 Wow.

01:03:48.000 Oh, he's in the NFL.

01:03:49.000 Yeah.

01:03:50.000 NFL history.

01:03:51.000 464 pounds.

01:03:54.000 That's so big.

01:03:55.000 Here's what I'll say about my guys.

01:03:58.000 My guys could put on their pants and nothing rolled over.

01:04:02.000 Oh, I see what you're saying.

01:04:03.000 Yeah.

01:04:03.000 They were flat-bellied.

01:04:04.000 They were in shape because we ran a.

01:04:07.000 Our game was all about motion, traps, and specials, and leads, and stuff like that.

01:04:14.000 They had to run.

01:04:15.000 They had to run, and they ran.

01:04:17.000 And if they were 400 pounds, you're going to pull this guy 400 pounds?

01:04:22.000 I mean, so I. If I were coach today, just my thinking, what I want, I want an athletic guy.

01:04:31.000 I don't want a big guy.

01:04:33.000 I don't want a guy that you go, all right, we're going to do gassers.

01:04:37.000 Billy John, William Earl, y'all go ahead and go on and get a shower.

01:04:43.000 No, 380, whatever they can't.

01:04:45.000 They can't run gassers.

01:04:46.000 They can't run gassers.

01:04:46.000 Right.

01:04:48.000 You know, run the mile.

01:04:48.000 Right.

01:04:50.000 We had to run a Steeler mile every year when we got to training camp.

01:04:53.000 Well, if you're 325, 30 pounds, not.

01:04:57.000 I don't want to pigeonhole everybody because there are some guys I've seen in the NFL that I've walked by before the game started.

01:05:03.000 And I turned to Howie.

01:05:05.000 Howie's always at me.

01:05:06.000 We're always together.

01:05:07.000 I went, Holy cow.

01:05:09.000 Isn't there a utility, though?

01:05:11.000 Isn't there a value, a function of a big, giant dude that maybe can't run gassers, but can stop a play dead in its tracks because you're running into a brick wall?

01:05:20.000 Right.

01:05:21.000 Maybe he's only got to go five yards.

01:05:22.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:05:23.000 Oh, absolutely.

01:05:24.000 Yeah.

01:05:25.000 Yeah.

01:05:25.000 But that wasn't how I was brought up.

01:05:27.000 Right.

01:05:27.000 I understand.

01:05:28.000 That wasn't what I was.

01:05:28.000 Taught, but obviously, you're a fan of the game still, and you still watch the game.

01:05:33.000 How much has the game changed from when, like, 1970 your first year in the year?

01:05:36.000 I'm talking about it, but like, big.

01:05:39.000 But would you imagine that the guys from 1970 would fit right into today's game?

01:05:44.000 Oh, no, size Joe Green made the Hall of Fame at 275, deep of the tackle, 275.

01:05:54.000 Jack Lambert, 218, admitted linebacker, Hall of Famer.

01:05:57.000 Jack, how big was Jim Brown in his prime?

01:06:00.000 Jim Brown, I never played against Jim Brown.

01:06:02.000 Right.

01:06:02.000 It was before your time.

01:06:03.000 How big was Jim Brown?

01:06:04.000 Probably 220, maybe 215.

01:06:06.000 Isn't that crazy?

01:06:07.000 Yeah.

01:06:08.000 So I always say size wise, we can't do it.

01:06:13.000 And then, of course, if you want to really get into it, then talk about money and stuff like that.

01:06:17.000 But size wise, size wise.

01:06:19.000 Now, I will say this the wide receivers, the quarterbacks, the running backs could play today, and probably the tight ends.

01:06:27.000 But then when you get my center weighed 252.

01:06:31.000 And I always say, since I'm in the cattle business, I'll take a little young bull.

01:06:36.000 I'll take my Angus bull over your Charlotte bull anytime.

01:06:39.000 Your Charlotte bull is going to be, or Cemento, it's going to be huge up off the ground.

01:06:43.000 But my Angus bull is going to get under him and be able to control him with technique.

01:06:49.000 You got bulls fighting each other?

01:06:49.000 Wait a minute.

01:06:51.000 Is that what you're saying?

01:06:52.000 No, Joe, you're not listening.

01:06:53.000 See?

01:06:54.000 I'm trying to listen.

01:06:56.000 You get some rest last night.

01:06:56.000 You're okay.

01:06:57.000 You did.

01:06:58.000 Okay, good.

01:06:58.000 The work's got to be everything.

01:06:58.000 Fully rested.

01:06:59.000 You got to be a bull.

01:07:01.000 Right.

01:07:02.000 Yeah.

01:07:02.000 You got a big bull.

01:07:03.000 The little bull can get under him.

01:07:04.000 He's already got the leverage because he's under the big bull.

01:07:07.000 The big bull's got to get down to get leverage on the little bull.

01:07:07.000 Got it.

01:07:11.000 He's got all the mass and the weight outnumbered.

01:07:13.000 Sort of like Mike Tyson in his prime.

01:07:16.000 That's a bad sucker.

01:07:16.000 Right?

01:07:18.000 Bad as it gets.

01:07:19.000 Bad.

01:07:20.000 Baddest man ever.

01:07:21.000 He came at a restaurant I was in and he saw him and he came over and he pulled up a chair.

01:07:25.000 There was an owl and I'm sitting over here next to the wall and then there's dinner chairs here.

01:07:31.000 He went over, he pulled up a chair, slid over, blocked the aisle and we talked about Johnny Oninas for an hour.

01:07:36.000 Wow.

01:07:38.000 Mike Tyson.

01:07:38.000 That's pretty cool.

01:07:39.000 Well, he's a giant fan of all kinds of athletes.

01:07:43.000 You know, I mean, that guy studies warriors and athletes and former generals.

01:07:50.000 Really?

01:07:51.000 Oh, he knows so much about Genghis Khan.

01:07:53.000 Me and we had this long conversation.

01:07:55.000 He knew his original name, which is Temujin.

01:07:56.000 You remember Genghis Khan?

01:07:57.000 Yeah, I did.

01:07:58.000 I knew a lot about it.

01:07:59.000 Well, not a lot, I would say, but I got pretty obsessed.

01:08:03.000 There's a guy named Dan Carlin.

01:08:05.000 He's got a fantastic series called Hardcore History.

01:08:08.000 It's a podcast.

01:08:10.000 And he had this series on Genghis Khan called The Wrath of the Khan.

01:08:13.000 And that got me obsessed.

01:08:15.000 That opened up the door.

01:08:16.000 And then I started reading books on Genghis Khan and watching documentaries.

01:08:20.000 And I got obsessed.

01:08:21.000 Yeah, I'm a huge documentary guy.

01:08:23.000 But he knew so much about Genghis Khan.

01:08:25.000 He knew his original name, which was Temujin.

01:08:27.000 He knew his whole story about how he was born with a blood clot in his hand.

01:08:30.000 Mike knew everything about it.

01:08:32.000 Yeah, Mike studies like conquerors, you know?

01:08:32.000 Yeah.

01:08:36.000 He's like really.

01:08:37.000 People would know that.

01:08:37.000 Yeah.

01:08:38.000 He's a very smart guy.

01:08:38.000 Yeah.

01:08:40.000 Yeah, the people would know that.

01:08:41.000 Mike is a very interesting guy.

01:08:44.000 He's not what people think of.

01:08:45.000 You think of Mike Tyson as being this mindless destroyer.

01:08:48.000 Now, he's very intelligent.

01:08:50.000 And you ever think about.

01:08:55.000 Why do athletes?

01:08:57.000 I have an image.

01:08:58.000 My image was I was the dumb guy.

01:09:01.000 You ever have, you ever ask yourself a question?

01:09:05.000 Why is your opinion about Mike Tyson so different now since you interviewed him?

01:09:10.000 But prior to that, that wasn't out in the press, was it?

01:09:14.000 No, I mean, maybe later in his career, but you'd have to, you'd watch a guy fight like that and he fought so brutally.

01:09:22.000 And if you weren't a student of boxing, you wouldn't understand like, The amount of thinking that has to take place to get that good.

01:09:29.000 Like, it's not just that he's just running at people and punching them.

01:09:32.000 He's bobbing and weaving.

01:09:34.000 He's being incredibly elusive.

01:09:36.000 He's shifting his weight to the left and shifting his weight to the right.

01:09:39.000 He's cutting angles like a middleweight.

01:09:41.000 He's doing things to these guys that they've never seen a heavyweight do before.

01:09:45.000 And he also was a giant student of boxing.

01:09:48.000 So his manager was a guy named Jim Jacobs, a short guy.

01:09:52.000 He was like 5'11 in his car.

01:09:54.000 There you go.

01:09:55.000 There's the bull issue right there.

01:09:56.000 Bull, like 20 inch neck.

01:09:58.000 I mean, he was a tank.

01:09:59.000 And he is powerful.

01:10:00.000 His manager was this guy, Jim Jacobs.

01:10:03.000 Jim Jacobs was a boxing historian, and he had all of these old film reels of everyone from Jack Johnson to Stanley Ketchell to Jack Dempsey like all the old time fighters.

01:10:15.000 Mike would watch those on a reel all day long, so he would train and then he would watch these guys all day long.

01:10:21.000 So he had access to film footage that most fighters all you could see is the guys in the gym and the guys that you saw fight live back in those days in the 80s.

01:10:31.000 There was no VHS tapes.

01:10:33.000 You know, there was no like real tapes of boxing that you could watch back then.

01:10:37.000 So when Mike, this is when Mike was like 13.

01:10:39.000 So Mike was 13 years old and he's watching film of the greatest Sugar Ray Robinson, the greatest boxers of all time, Willie Pep, Rocky Marciano.

01:10:48.000 He's watching all these guys and absorbing their styles and figuring out like it takes intelligence to do that.

01:10:55.000 Like it's not, that's not what a dumb guy would do.

01:10:57.000 A dumb guy wouldn't see, oh, when he does this, it's because of that, so he can avoid the counter and duck underneath and hit him at an angle where he can't hit him.

01:11:07.000 I'm going to incorporate that into my training and figure out how to find those patterns in squat.

01:11:12.000 I always thought, because you hear a counter punch.

01:11:17.000 Do you know how hard it is?

01:11:19.000 And I'm not a boxer, but when someone's, you watch their training, and then they're like, when does this counter punch?

01:11:27.000 Do you know how fast that brain has to work for you to counter punch?

01:11:32.000 Oh, you have to be lightning fast.

01:11:33.000 Lightning fast.

01:11:34.000 And you have to have trained it a thousand times.

01:11:37.000 You want to be hit all day long in the face and the stomach.

01:11:41.000 It's a tough way to make a living, but so is football.

01:11:43.000 And especially back when you guys were playing, where they would just shoot you up and stuff.

01:11:46.000 For sure, but not boxing?

01:11:46.000 That's a different stuff.

01:11:48.000 Holy cow.

01:11:49.000 I met Muhammad Ali one time.

01:11:53.000 I was 6'3 and a half.

01:11:55.000 I'm 6'1 and a half now.

01:11:57.000 And I was looking up to him.

01:11:58.000 And I'm sure he wasn't any taller, but I was looking up to him because I was so impressed.

01:12:04.000 And, you know, we had a great first-time meeting.

01:12:09.000 He was a fan of mine.

01:12:11.000 It was like, that made me great.

01:12:11.000 I didn't know it.

01:12:14.000 And I went to a couple of banquets that he was at.

01:12:16.000 And he'd send notes down to me to come down and say hello to him.

01:12:20.000 Well, you know, I'm going to bother him.

01:12:22.000 And I'd go down, hey, hey.

01:12:24.000 Hey, champ, how are you doing?

01:12:25.000 Jerry Bradshaw.

01:12:26.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:12:27.000 Hey, have you heard this one?

01:12:28.000 He told me a joke.

01:12:30.000 A joke.

01:12:31.000 That's the last thing I expected, you know, from Muhammad Ali.

01:12:34.000 Yeah, but I loved Muhammad Ali.

01:12:36.000 That was an incredibly intelligent guy.

01:12:39.000 And also the first guy to figure out how to get attention by talking.

01:12:43.000 And we hated him for it.

01:12:45.000 I didn't like him.

01:12:46.000 Did you like him?

01:12:47.000 I loved him.

01:12:48.000 I was younger.

01:12:48.000 I didn't like him.

01:12:49.000 Yeah, I didn't like him.

01:12:51.000 I grew up in an era of respect.

01:12:53.000 Right.

01:12:54.000 You respect.

01:12:55.000 Your opponent.

01:12:57.000 You don't say anything bad about them.

01:12:59.000 You give them all the play praise when it's all said, you respect your, you don't show showboat, you don't do anything.

01:13:05.000 You don't run into the end zone.

01:13:07.000 You don't do this, you respect your opponent.

01:13:10.000 And that's the way that I was raised and that's how and that and actually the way I was coached.

01:13:16.000 And I had a.

01:13:18.000 I had a hard time, a hard time when Billy White Shoes Johnson Of Houston would get in the end zone.

01:13:24.000 He'd start doing that dance and everything.

01:13:26.000 I don't like it at all.

01:13:28.000 And Billy White, who's a good dude, you know.

01:13:32.000 But I didn't like it.

01:13:33.000 I just don't like any athlete drawing attention to himself.

01:13:38.000 If you're playing tennis or golf, okay, that's one thing because it's you.

01:13:42.000 But when you're playing a team event, somebody else had to do that job too.

01:13:49.000 Right.

01:13:50.000 I see what you're saying.

01:13:50.000 I just had a hard time.

01:13:51.000 Yeah.

01:13:52.000 In a team sport.

01:13:53.000 But in boxing, boxing is just one on one.

01:13:55.000 But you still didn't like it even in boxing.

01:13:57.000 Bragging and.

01:13:59.000 Yeah.

01:13:59.000 Now I look back on it.

01:14:00.000 Now, of course, I love it now.

01:14:02.000 But he knew what he was doing.

01:14:02.000 Yeah.

01:14:04.000 Well, it's psychological warfare.

01:14:06.000 Yeah.

01:14:07.000 That's what it is.

01:14:07.000 I mean, he had Sonny Liston so confused before he fought him.

01:14:11.000 He would show up at Sonny Liston's house in the middle of the night and stand on his lawn and scream at him.

01:14:16.000 Yeah.

01:14:16.000 He was just fucking with that guy's head.

01:14:18.000 He was climbing inside of his head and making sure that all day long he's thinking about him.

01:14:23.000 And he also thought he was a legitimate insane person.

01:14:26.000 Like the way he was acting, he was not acting like a rational person.

01:14:30.000 So he was worried all the time.

01:14:31.000 So he's like, worry that you're around this insane person.

01:14:33.000 Well, you ever see the video where they you better be you listen if you can do if you can do that and back it up, which he did, he did then I tip my head to you.

01:14:45.000 Do you ever see the video where um they ran into each other at a casino?

01:14:49.000 No, so uh Sonny Liston was at a casino, I think Sonny was playing cards and Muhammad Ali came back when he was Cassius Clay came up behind him and he starts ranting and raving and saying crazy and get and Sonny pulls out a gun oh and shoots it into the air and everybody scatters.

01:15:05.000 It was a blank gun.

01:15:07.000 But he anticipated that Ali was going to do that to him.

01:15:11.000 So he said, I'm going to scare the shit out of this.

01:15:13.000 You think you want to play crazy?

01:15:14.000 Let's play crazy.

01:15:15.000 See if you can find that video, Jamie.

01:15:17.000 The video is amazing.

01:15:18.000 It's amazing.

01:15:19.000 Because he just pulls his, and then he shows, he like shoots.

01:15:22.000 Put your headphones on real quick.

01:15:22.000 Here it is.

01:15:24.000 Grab this headphone.

01:15:27.000 Yeah, pull it up.

01:15:28.000 Bring it back to the beginning.

01:15:31.000 Whoa!

01:15:32.000 Yeah.

01:15:32.000 The whole situation finally came to a head when Clay approached Liston at the Desert Inn in Las Vegas, where the champ was shooting craps and losing.

01:15:41.000 Liston was in no mood to be harangued by the mouth from the south.

01:15:45.000 Drawing a gun, Sonny fired, frightening his young tormentor into a hasty retreat.

01:15:50.000 The line was filled with blanks.

01:15:54.000 So he shot the gun into his jacket to show everybody that it was just a blank.

01:15:58.000 That is crazy, though.

01:16:01.000 So he was prepared.

01:16:02.000 Isn't that funny?

01:16:03.000 He had blanks.

01:16:04.000 That's crazy, brother.

01:16:05.000 That's pretty smart.

01:16:07.000 Is it?

01:16:07.000 Yeah, because you got this guy's acting crazy.

01:16:10.000 I'm going to out-crazy him.

01:16:12.000 I don't want to shoot anybody, but I'm going to out-crazy him.

01:16:15.000 Give me a gun with some blanks and just pull it out.

01:16:19.000 Alex Bowen had a huge lawsuit because he pulled out what it was a gun with a blank and killed somebody.

01:16:24.000 I mean, it's.

01:16:25.000 Yes, that was a problem with the person who was handling the guns.

01:16:29.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:16:30.000 What?

01:16:32.000 What do you mean that wasn't Sonny Listen?

01:16:35.000 Absolutely, it was Sonny Listen.

01:16:36.000 It says it's from a movie.

01:16:39.000 Bro, that's Sonny Listen.

01:16:40.000 He did himself dramatizing, retelling of his own life.

01:16:42.000 The man with the gun is an actor, not Sonny Listen.

01:16:44.000 Let me see that again.

01:16:45.000 That's what it says.

01:16:45.000 What?

01:16:48.000 So it's a recreation of the actual scene that happened?

01:16:52.000 There's no real footage of Listen firing a gun at Ali.

01:16:55.000 What?

01:16:56.000 Dramatic clips circulating online.

01:16:58.000 The one in nearly every rare footage post is a scene from a 1977 film called The Greatest.

01:17:04.000 Oh, I saw that movie.

01:17:05.000 So let me see it again.

01:17:07.000 Can I see the video again?

01:17:10.000 That's crazy.

01:17:11.000 There you are.

01:17:12.000 That's crazy.

01:17:13.000 I would have swore that's Sonny Liston.

01:17:15.000 You're listening to a narrator talk, and this one even has a narrator on the narrator.

01:17:19.000 Wasn't Sonny Liston bald?

01:17:21.000 No.

01:17:21.000 No, Sonny Liston wasn't bald.

01:17:23.000 Oh, that isn't Sonny Liston.

01:17:23.000 No?

01:17:25.000 Well, the video's so blurry.

01:17:28.000 All right, there you have it.

01:17:30.000 Wow.

01:17:31.000 That's not Sonny Liston.

01:17:32.000 Oh, my God.

01:17:33.000 I feel like such a dumbass.

01:17:35.000 Find footage of Sonny Liston training.

01:17:38.000 So he was, back in the day, he was the scariest heavyweight.

01:17:43.000 Sonny Liston was the guy.

01:17:44.000 He was.

01:17:45.000 When he went to prison?

01:17:46.000 What's that?

01:17:47.000 When he went to prison?

01:17:49.000 Yeah, he went to prison.

01:17:50.000 But it was the way he won the title, the way he knocked out Floyd Patterson.

01:17:55.000 It looked like Floyd Patterson had no business being in there with him.

01:17:57.000 He was that good.

01:17:58.000 That good and that big.

01:18:00.000 And a lot of people going into that fight thought Muhammad Ali had no chance.

01:18:03.000 They thought that he was going to get killed because, you know, Ali was a very good fighter.

01:18:07.000 He was up and coming, fast, really fast with his footwork and his movement.

01:18:12.000 Everybody thought that it was just a matter of time before Liston got him.

01:18:12.000 Quick, quick.

01:18:15.000 That's crazy.

01:18:16.000 I recognize that guy, that actor.

01:18:18.000 Is that the actor that was in Magnum PI?

01:18:25.000 I think it is.

01:18:27.000 The actor's name is Roger E. Mosley.

01:18:29.000 Yeah, Magnum PI.

01:18:30.000 Aha!

01:18:31.000 Look at you.

01:18:32.000 Look at me.

01:18:33.000 You proud of yourself?

01:18:34.000 I feel slightly better now, but I'm ashamed that I didn't realize that that wasn't actually Sonny Liston.

01:18:34.000 A little bit.

01:18:40.000 So find some footage of Sonny Liston training.

01:18:43.000 Even on this, some of this I think has already got some AI footage in it.

01:18:47.000 Oh, really?

01:18:48.000 Well, there's footage of him hitting the bag.

01:18:50.000 There's Sonny.

01:18:51.000 There's footage of Sonny hitting the bag, and he would just put these holes in the bag.

01:18:56.000 He had just murderous punching power.

01:18:59.000 He was such a dangerous guy, and everyone was scared of him back then.

01:19:03.000 Because he was this towering, hulking figure, Dr. Briotti had massive hands.

01:19:08.000 And, I mean, he would brutalize his sparring partners.

01:19:10.000 I mean, Sonny Liston was putting people away.

01:19:14.000 I mean, he had.

01:19:15.000 Look at the size of his hands.

01:19:16.000 Just gigantic hands and tremendous power.

01:19:21.000 But, you know, Ali figured out a way to just.

01:19:24.000 It didn't even look like the punch that took him out was even that big a punch.

01:19:27.000 That's the second fight.

01:19:28.000 That's the Lewiston, Maine fight.

01:19:29.000 That's the second one.

01:19:30.000 Yeah, that's the fight when they fought in Lewiston, Maine.

01:19:33.000 And that one is very tricky because in that.

01:19:35.000 So he would hit guys with jabs and have them rocked.

01:19:39.000 His hands were so massive and his power was so extraordinary.

01:19:43.000 You ever boxed?

01:19:44.000 I did some boxing.

01:19:49.000 I did it well.

01:19:53.000 I did it well.

01:19:57.000 I did it once.

01:20:02.000 Kickboxing, but I didn't do any like sport boxing.

01:20:15.000 No, If you got hit, there was no, like, take a game off, get evaluated.

01:20:27.000 No.

01:20:28.000 Concussion protocol.

01:20:28.000 Nothing.

01:20:30.000 Hop right back in, son.

01:20:32.000 I played against the Minnesota, no, the Miami Dolphins in a playoff game, and I got knocked out.

01:20:32.000 Are you awake?

01:20:39.000 And I mean, knocked out.

01:20:42.000 And I guess I came to in the fourth quarter because I went back in.

01:20:47.000 Played pretty good, too.

01:20:48.000 Wow.

01:20:48.000 Not bad.

01:20:49.000 Lost the game, but yeah.

01:20:50.000 So they went undefeated.

01:20:51.000 So you woke up, and then they put you back in after you woke up.

01:20:54.000 Well, something like that.

01:20:57.000 I went out in the first quarter, I think.

01:20:59.000 I scored on touchdown, kept it, got knocked out, and came back in the fourth quarter.

01:21:05.000 Yeah, different.

01:21:07.000 Different, oh, yeah.

01:21:07.000 Different.

01:21:08.000 Nowadays, if a player gets knocked out, how much time do they make them take off?

01:21:12.000 They go into a tent, and now you have a concussion guy in the booth representing the NFL, so they'll tell you to get him out.

01:21:21.000 Right.

01:21:21.000 And they go into a tent, and they get evaluated.

01:21:24.000 More than likely, if they've been stunned, they're not going back in.

01:21:27.000 And how much time do they make them take off before they let them play again?

01:21:31.000 But they have to get evaluated every week.

01:21:32.000 So it could be.

01:21:35.000 What is that?

01:21:35.000 Little baby cigars.

01:21:37.000 It's when you don't want to finish a big one.

01:21:38.000 Oh.

01:21:39.000 Little tiny ones.

01:21:40.000 They're little Monte Cristos.

01:21:41.000 Oh, okay.

01:21:41.000 I like these sometimes.

01:21:44.000 All right.

01:21:45.000 So, but when they do that and these guys are KO'd today, if they get knocked out, do they have like a 30 day rule?

01:21:52.000 No, it's not 30 days, but they do go.

01:21:54.000 It's a week.

01:21:56.000 They go in, they keep getting evaluated.

01:22:00.000 And.

01:22:02.000 You'll have some guys.

01:22:04.000 There's no set timeline for discovery.

01:22:05.000 There you go.

01:22:06.000 Well, for recovery, rather.

01:22:07.000 Players must progress through these graded exertion phases without any increase in symptoms.

01:22:13.000 Symptom limited activity, prescribed rest with limited physical and cognitive activity, transitioning to light stretching and monitored light aerobic exercise.

01:22:22.000 So, with the UFC, when a guy gets knocked out, generally athletic commissions put a hold on them, like it's a 90 day hold.

01:22:29.000 And then some of them have like 60 day no contact.

01:22:32.000 So they're not even allowed to spar for 60 days.

01:22:33.000 If you get knocked out and that brain gets rattled like that, the best game I played in high school, the best game I played in high school, a guy by the name of Larry Brewer.

01:22:46.000 I fumbled coming out of the pocket in high school against Minden High School.

01:22:51.000 I'm rolling to the right and I think the ball hits my leg and it hits the ground and it's go, broom, broom.

01:22:59.000 And I'm chasing it.

01:23:01.000 And by the time I get to the ball, and get my hands on it and pick my head up, boom, out, out.

01:23:11.000 I don't remember anything.

01:23:13.000 And then I'm back in the game.

01:23:16.000 And I mean, it's the best game I played in high school.

01:23:20.000 Joe, dead serious.

01:23:23.000 Best game I played in high school.

01:23:24.000 Maybe I wasn't worried.

01:23:25.000 I don't know.

01:23:26.000 That's what I was going to ask you.

01:23:27.000 Crazy.

01:23:29.000 I wonder if that's true.

01:23:30.000 Listen, I've been to a couple of clinics just for brain work, just to get checked out.

01:23:40.000 Yeah, all the tests that they could possibly do, extensive tests.

01:23:44.000 Because I was having trouble remembering, did I open the gate?

01:23:47.000 Did I open the gate this morning?

01:23:49.000 Right, right.

01:23:50.000 I did.

01:23:50.000 Where to bring it?

01:23:51.000 I opened the gate.

01:23:51.000 I'm sure I opened the gate.

01:23:53.000 And I pushed the button.

01:23:54.000 And when the button's green, the gate is moving.

01:23:57.000 Then it goes red.

01:23:59.000 It stopped.

01:23:59.000 I mean, it goes yellow.

01:24:00.000 It stopped.

01:24:01.000 Then I push a button.

01:24:02.000 It goes red.

01:24:03.000 It's holding.

01:24:03.000 It's staying open six times.

01:24:06.000 I remember six times.

01:24:07.000 And I'm like, did I push this button?

01:24:10.000 Then I remember, okay, something's wrong.

01:24:13.000 Someone got checked.

01:24:14.000 How long ago was this?

01:24:14.000 Yeah.

01:24:15.000 Whew, years ago.

01:24:16.000 Years, 30 plus years ago.

01:24:18.000 And did they do something for you?

01:24:21.000 Golly, did they?

01:24:25.000 No, I don't think so.

01:24:28.000 I don't think anything came.

01:24:30.000 I remember testing.

01:24:31.000 I got tested and found out I had ADD, which was not a shocker, but was a shocker because I I think everybody has that.

01:24:39.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:24:40.000 Everybody who's any good at anything has it.

01:24:42.000 Yeah.

01:24:43.000 Creative people have ADD.

01:24:45.000 Creative people and people that are like really into one thing.

01:24:48.000 Yeah.

01:24:48.000 Like full on into it.

01:24:49.000 Well, they said, well, you're focused in this.

01:24:51.000 Yeah, but when I'm fishing, I'm focused.

01:24:54.000 Right.

01:24:54.000 When I'm showing horses, I don't have a problem.

01:24:57.000 Exactly.

01:24:58.000 But if I'm taking geometry, you're going to jump.

01:25:00.000 Exactly.

01:25:01.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:25:02.000 No interest.

01:25:03.000 No interest.

01:25:03.000 Exactly.

01:25:04.000 Yeah.

01:25:04.000 So, yeah, so that.

01:25:05.000 If I'm learning something I'm not interested in, I have no focus.

01:25:09.000 I mean, you've got to sit here and study all this stuff for all these different people.

01:25:12.000 Right.

01:25:12.000 And I know you've got to be interested in them.

01:25:14.000 You have to be interested.

01:25:15.000 Yes.

01:25:16.000 You've got to be.

01:25:17.000 But then I come across people that don't have a problem being interested and they can study anything and God bless them.

01:25:22.000 I'm not one of those people.

01:25:23.000 I have to be interested in what I'm talking about.

01:25:25.000 You had Bradley Cooper on.

01:25:26.000 Love Bradley Cooper.

01:25:27.000 He's awesome.

01:25:27.000 Yeah, he did.

01:25:28.000 Was the brain guy, the atom bomb?

01:25:34.000 Oppenheimer?

01:25:35.000 He was in that movie?

01:25:35.000 Oppenheimer.

01:25:37.000 He directed it.

01:25:37.000 That's right.

01:25:38.000 That's right.

01:25:39.000 And he was in it.

01:25:41.000 He directed it, right?

01:25:42.000 I think he did.

01:25:42.000 No, he did.

01:25:43.000 He did, right?

01:25:44.000 He didn't direct it.

01:25:46.000 What's that?

01:25:47.000 It's Christopher Nolan directed it.

01:25:47.000 That's right.

01:25:49.000 But Bradley was in Oppenheimer?

01:25:51.000 Yes.

01:25:52.000 What was his role?

01:25:53.000 He's been at so many things.

01:25:54.000 What was he in Oppenheimer?

01:25:56.000 Okay.

01:25:57.000 Oh, my bad.

01:25:58.000 What are you thinking of?

01:25:59.000 The music guy.

01:26:00.000 Yeah.

01:26:01.000 He directed that and starred in it.

01:26:03.000 Oh, yes.

01:26:04.000 Oh, yes.

01:26:05.000 Phenomenal.

01:26:06.000 I was trying to agree with you.

01:26:07.000 I was like, what was Bradley in Oppenheimer?

01:26:09.000 I haven't seen Oppenheimer in a couple of years.

01:26:10.000 I was just checking to see if you were paying attention.

01:26:16.000 That dude who played Oppenheimer, Cyril.

01:26:19.000 He won an Oscar.

01:26:20.000 Did he win an Oscar?

01:26:21.000 At least he was up for it.

01:26:22.000 Cyril Murphy, right?

01:26:23.000 Yeah.

01:26:24.000 That guy is phenomenal in what?

01:26:28.000 Cillian Murphy.

01:26:29.000 Cillian Murphy.

01:26:30.000 Well, anyway.

01:26:31.000 He's phenomenal in Peaky Blinders.

01:26:33.000 Anybody that can act has got my attention because Cooper Bradley's.

01:26:37.000 Well, real acting, right?

01:26:39.000 Real acting.

01:26:40.000 I've done some sitcom acting.

01:26:40.000 Real acting.

01:26:41.000 That shit's pretty ass.

01:26:42.000 And you were probably Joe, right?

01:26:44.000 And I'm Terry Bradshaw.

01:26:44.000 I played Joe.

01:26:45.000 And I've done like five movies.

01:26:47.000 And people say, oh, no, no, no, no.

01:26:49.000 I'm no actor.

01:26:50.000 But like, you know, Daniel Day Lewis type acting.

01:26:53.000 Whoa, that's him?

01:26:55.000 That's crazy.

01:26:56.000 That's crazy.

01:26:56.000 Yeah.

01:26:58.000 That's Bradley.

01:26:59.000 My God, though.

01:27:00.000 The fucking makeup they do today is insane.

01:27:03.000 He was amazing in that movie.

01:27:04.000 Isn't that crazy that they can make it look that realistic?

01:27:07.000 That is nuts.

01:27:09.000 Leonard Bernstein.

01:27:10.000 Hell, there you go.

01:27:11.000 Yeah.

01:27:12.000 Did you see the movie?

01:27:13.000 Amazing.

01:27:13.000 Did you see it?

01:27:14.000 I did not.

01:27:15.000 Oh.

01:27:15.000 When you had him on here, did you tell him you saw it?

01:27:18.000 I did not.

01:27:19.000 I would have probably.

01:27:22.000 I'm like, oh, yeah.

01:27:24.000 Hey, it's like I had a guy.

01:27:24.000 No.

01:27:25.000 We went back to high school and met the assistant trainer for the first time in years.

01:27:30.000 I didn't know his name.

01:27:32.000 And this buddy of mine, hey, how you doing, man?

01:27:35.000 Get over here.

01:27:36.000 I'm like, he knows this.

01:27:38.000 And they're going on, give me a hug.

01:27:42.000 You son of a gun.

01:27:43.000 And For why he did this, I'll never know.

01:27:47.000 He goes, What's my name?

01:27:51.000 What's my name?

01:27:52.000 He said that to him.

01:27:53.000 What's my name?

01:27:54.000 And I'm over there and I'm like, Oh my God, this is hilarious.

01:27:58.000 That is hilarious.

01:27:59.000 He didn't have a clue.

01:28:00.000 He didn't have a clue.

01:28:01.000 Well, he probably forgot if he left the gate open, too.

01:28:05.000 I mean, give the guy a break.

01:28:05.000 May have.

01:28:06.000 May have.

01:28:07.000 Give the guy a break.

01:28:08.000 But still, you know what I do all the time and I'll tell people this.

01:28:12.000 What?

01:28:13.000 Look, I don't, what's your name again?

01:28:15.000 Joe?

01:28:16.000 Joe, hey, I may ask you again what your name is, and then I may ask you again, but I'm going to get your name right.

01:28:27.000 I don't want to sit here and not know.

01:28:31.000 People get mad at that.

01:28:32.000 I don't think people should get mad at that.

01:28:34.000 I don't think people should get mad at that.

01:28:35.000 I don't think they should get mad at that.

01:28:36.000 That's just a thing that happens to people, and it definitely happens to people that meet too many people.

01:28:41.000 Do you know what Dunbar's number is?

01:28:42.000 No.

01:28:43.000 Dunbar's number is a number of people that you can keep in your memory.

01:28:47.000 Hmm.

01:28:47.000 Because we evolved in tribal societies of small groups of people.

01:28:52.000 Where are you getting all this?

01:28:53.000 I just remember things.

01:28:55.000 Somebody tell you this.

01:28:55.000 Somebody tell you this?

01:28:56.000 I didn't study it.

01:28:56.000 Oh, definitely.

01:28:57.000 Oh, yeah.

01:28:58.000 This is Dunbar's number.

01:29:00.000 So the max amount of relationships a person can maintain.

01:29:04.000 Oh.

01:29:04.000 So you have five.

01:29:05.000 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

01:29:05.000 Which one are you?

01:29:06.000 Where are you?

01:29:06.000 Where do you mean?

01:29:08.000 Where are you in the five?

01:29:10.000 You are zero.

01:29:12.000 Your patient is zero.

01:29:13.000 And five are the people that are very close to you.

01:29:15.000 So that's your support people.

01:29:17.000 Okay.

01:29:17.000 And then 15 are your sympathy group.

01:29:19.000 They're not quite as close as the closest people to you.

01:29:22.000 But they're pretty close.

01:29:24.000 And then there's a close network of 50 people.

01:29:26.000 Then you have a personal network of 150 people.

01:29:29.000 You have 500 acquaintances and then 1,500 people that are recognizable.

01:29:34.000 You know what's funny?

01:29:35.000 I make this bad habit.

01:29:37.000 We all have bad habits.

01:29:38.000 My bad habit is oh, he's a friend of mine.

01:29:40.000 I know Henry Winkler.

01:29:42.000 I know Henry Winkler.

01:29:43.000 I know Henry Winkler too.

01:29:44.000 I did a movie with him once.

01:29:45.000 He's a great guy, sweetheart.

01:29:48.000 And my wife says, and I'll say, I have his number.

01:29:53.000 I have his number in my phone.

01:29:55.000 And I do have Henry's number, but I'll say, well, so and so, oh, because I've met them, I automatically associate them with being my friend.

01:30:04.000 I do the same thing.

01:30:05.000 Yeah.

01:30:06.000 My wife will say, when'd you talk to him last?

01:30:10.000 Well, I haven't talked to him for years and years and years.

01:30:15.000 They're still my friends.

01:30:16.000 Yeah.

01:30:16.000 I like a lot of people.

01:30:16.000 Yeah.

01:30:17.000 I'm a friendly guy.

01:30:18.000 Yeah.

01:30:18.000 I like a lot of people.

01:30:20.000 I do.

01:30:22.000 But in my circle, We all surround ourselves.

01:30:26.000 Our best friends are people that we have a lot in common with, and we share common values, common likes, whether it's horses, cattle.

01:30:35.000 My whole world is horses and cattle.

01:30:37.000 Horses and cattle.

01:30:39.000 The people that booked me for speeches are dear, dear friends of mine.

01:30:43.000 Howie, different.

01:30:45.000 Kirk Menifee, different.

01:30:46.000 Different.

01:30:47.000 I work with him.

01:30:47.000 Different.

01:30:48.000 I love being around him.

01:30:50.000 I have a habit of telling you I love you.

01:30:52.000 Joe, I love you, man.

01:30:53.000 I love you too, Todd.

01:30:54.000 I love you, man.

01:30:55.000 I do the same thing.

01:30:56.000 Yeah.

01:30:57.000 Yeah.

01:30:57.000 Okay.

01:30:58.000 See.

01:30:59.000 Do you really love him?

01:31:01.000 I do.

01:31:01.000 Well, it means, no.

01:31:03.000 What it means is, I like him more than I just like.

01:31:05.000 He's just, I'm elevating you a little bit here.

01:31:08.000 And my wife is so smart.

01:31:10.000 She's just like, You really got their number?

01:31:12.000 I said, Yeah, I got their number.

01:31:14.000 And they're friends of yours?

01:31:15.000 Yeah, they're friends.

01:31:16.000 When's the last time you talked to them?

01:31:18.000 Well, I hadn't talked to them in a few years.

01:31:22.000 Hey, sometimes you can't be communicating with everybody all the time.

01:31:28.000 There's friends that I'm friends with.

01:31:29.000 If I see them, I'm going to hug them.

01:31:31.000 But I haven't talked to them in years.

01:31:33.000 You ever told someone this?

01:31:35.000 You ever told someone this?

01:31:37.000 Hey, you know what?

01:31:38.000 Before you became really famous, we used to be really close, and now we're not.

01:31:43.000 You ever said that?

01:31:44.000 No.

01:31:45.000 Okay, I have.

01:31:47.000 So, before, when they're famous or you're famous?

01:31:52.000 Joe, I've been famous a long time.

01:31:53.000 Long time.

01:31:55.000 Long time.

01:31:56.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:31:57.000 Long time.

01:31:58.000 But I've actually.

01:32:01.000 My problem is, if it's a problem, is when I like somebody, I really like them.

01:32:06.000 That's a good problem.

01:32:07.000 I like being with them.

01:32:08.000 Yeah.

01:32:10.000 And then you don't ever hear from them.

01:32:12.000 But if you text them, they fire right back.

01:32:16.000 And after a while, I'm going, why am I the one starting this relationship?

01:32:19.000 Why am I?

01:32:20.000 And I take it personal.

01:32:21.000 Do you, really?

01:32:22.000 Yeah, I do.

01:32:24.000 Okay.

01:32:24.000 Yeah, I do.

01:32:25.000 I'm sensitive about stuff like that.

01:32:27.000 I mean, if we swap numbers today before I leave, and I'm going to text you and say, hey, man, how's it going?

01:32:34.000 How's the wife?

01:32:35.000 How's the elk hunting?

01:32:36.000 How are you doing?

01:32:38.000 Fine.

01:32:39.000 And we get along great.

01:32:40.000 And then two or three months go by.

01:32:42.000 I haven't heard from Joe.

01:32:43.000 Hey, Joe, how are you doing, man?

01:32:44.000 I mean, how are you doing?

01:32:44.000 It's good to see you.

01:32:45.000 Oh, so you get upset of you're the one always initiating.

01:32:48.000 I don't want to always initiate.

01:32:49.000 I want someone else.

01:32:50.000 To feel the same way towards me.

01:32:52.000 That's insecurity.

01:32:54.000 I just finished this book, and the whole thing is I'm always looking for people to like me as much as I like them, and that's not always the case.

01:33:03.000 Well, you're a very friendly guy.

01:33:05.000 I am.

01:33:06.000 I wish I weren't.

01:33:06.000 Yeah.

01:33:08.000 Why?

01:33:08.000 I don't know why.

01:33:09.000 I like being friendly.

01:33:10.000 Let me tell you a funny story.

01:33:12.000 Yeah.

01:33:12.000 You want a funny story?

01:33:13.000 All right, here's a funny story.

01:33:14.000 So, when you get diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis, you get put on steroids.

01:33:18.000 You get a balance of steroids in your body to find out what holds all.

01:33:22.000 The pain because you got to block the pain.

01:33:25.000 And so you go on a 90 day trial and error.

01:33:29.000 So I'm doing, I do the steroids and I'm eating my ass.

01:33:37.000 Boy, I'm eating everything.

01:33:38.000 I can't sleep and I'm eating.

01:33:40.000 I'm doing a good job of eating.

01:33:42.000 And I'm working out twice a day.

01:33:44.000 Are you kidding me?

01:33:45.000 And I blow up, man.

01:33:47.000 I put on like 60 pounds.

01:33:48.000 Whoa.

01:33:49.000 Huge.

01:33:50.000 Go to Hawaii.

01:33:52.000 My wife and I are in Kmart.

01:33:56.000 Nice Kmart.

01:33:57.000 It's closed now, but it's a really nice Kmart.

01:34:00.000 So we're in there, we're getting stuff for the house and stuff.

01:34:04.000 And we're going down the aisles, and people are like, hey, Terry, how are you doing?

01:34:09.000 You know, I'm doing good.

01:34:10.000 You know, I'm a little puffy right now.

01:34:12.000 I'm on steroids.

01:34:13.000 I put on quite a bit of weight, as you probably can see.

01:34:15.000 And, you know, I'm a little embarrassed, but it's going to get it balanced out.

01:34:19.000 Oh, yeah, sorry to hear about that.

01:34:21.000 Hey, Terry, how are you doing?

01:34:22.000 Well, you know, I'm a little puffy right now.

01:34:25.000 I'm taking, you know, I'm on steroids.

01:34:26.000 I got rheumatoid arthritis.

01:34:27.000 You have to take steroids and get your balance into pain.

01:34:30.000 And I do this without even thinking about it, Joe, three or four times in Kmart.

01:34:37.000 So we walk out, get in the car.

01:34:39.000 My wife, who loves me to death, says, honey, honey, honey, listen.

01:34:44.000 When people say, how you doing, Terry, they don't want to hear about steroids.

01:34:50.000 They don't want to hear about rheumatoid arthritis.

01:34:52.000 They just want to hear, how you doing?

01:34:54.000 They don't care.

01:34:55.000 They recognize you.

01:34:57.000 and they're just happy to meet you.

01:34:58.000 They don't care that you, you know, whatever.

01:35:00.000 I went, am I really doing that?

01:35:04.000 She said, yes, baby, you're doing that to everybody around.

01:35:06.000 I was so embarrassed, Joe.

01:35:08.000 I'm like, oh, oh my God.

01:35:10.000 I can't believe I'm doing that.

01:35:13.000 We cross the highway and we go where?

01:35:15.000 Brand new Target.

01:35:16.000 Massive Target.

01:35:17.000 Awesome Target.

01:35:19.000 You know, yeah.

01:35:20.000 Now, you don't shop at these places, but I do.

01:35:22.000 I shop at Target.

01:35:23.000 Do you?

01:35:24.000 Yeah.

01:35:25.000 I love Target.

01:35:26.000 You go to Walmart?

01:35:27.000 I've been to Walmart.

01:35:30.000 It's been a couple of years.

01:35:33.000 Well, I live in St. Joe, Texas, in Walmart.

01:35:36.000 We get dressed up and put a suit on when we go to Walmart.

01:35:39.000 It's nice.

01:35:40.000 Anyway.

01:35:41.000 So we go to Target, and my wife's daughter told me.

01:35:46.000 So we go to Target, and I'm pushing the buggy, and we're going down the aisle.

01:35:50.000 Hey, Terry, how are you doing?

01:35:53.000 How am I doing?

01:35:55.000 I said, Man, you're not going to believe this, but I got rheumatoid arthritis.

01:36:01.000 And I've been taking steroids, and I'm really putting on a lot of weight and really puffy.

01:36:05.000 Now, I stand up, Joe, no kidding.

01:36:08.000 And I lean down, and I pull my.

01:36:11.000 Pants leg up where my sock is, and I push my sock down, and you can see that giant indention from all the fluid that you're holding.

01:36:20.000 Right.

01:36:21.000 And when I put my hand down and I see that ring, I start laughing.

01:36:28.000 I can't help myself.

01:36:29.000 I just start laughing.

01:36:31.000 You big idiot.

01:36:32.000 They don't give a shit if you got rheumatoid started.

01:36:36.000 Oh, I was so embarrassed, but I just couldn't help myself.

01:36:40.000 I just started laughing.

01:36:41.000 Caught me.

01:36:42.000 Caught me.

01:36:43.000 Well, you're just a genuine guy.

01:36:45.000 Yeah, I know what you do.

01:36:46.000 There's nothing wrong with that.

01:36:47.000 No.

01:36:48.000 No.

01:36:48.000 Nothing wrong with that.

01:36:49.000 I'm not apologizing.

01:36:49.000 That's way better.

01:36:51.000 Yeah.

01:36:52.000 But sometimes you just want reciprocation.

01:36:53.000 I do have it with you.

01:36:54.000 I understand what you're saying.

01:36:55.000 But it's way better to be super friendly than the opposite.

01:36:55.000 Yeah.

01:36:59.000 Is your wife super friendly?

01:37:00.000 She's friendly.

01:37:01.000 Yeah.

01:37:01.000 She's friendly.

01:37:02.000 Yeah.

01:37:03.000 Is she friendly as you?

01:37:05.000 Yeah, she's pretty friendly.

01:37:06.000 Yeah.

01:37:07.000 Can you go anywhere in Austin and.

01:37:09.000 Yeah.

01:37:09.000 I mean, you talk to a lot of people, you don't talk to people, but most people are really nice.

01:37:14.000 All right.

01:37:14.000 So, yeah, most people are just happy to see you and say hi.

01:37:17.000 Hey, how are you doing?

01:37:18.000 Shake your hand.

01:37:18.000 Yeah.

01:37:19.000 Give you some knuckles.

01:37:19.000 Yeah.

01:37:20.000 Take a selfie.

01:37:21.000 Yeah.

01:37:22.000 Take a selfie.

01:37:23.000 Yeah.

01:37:23.000 I like selfies.

01:37:26.000 I mean, I don't see what the problem is.

01:37:27.000 There's no problem.

01:37:28.000 There's nothing wrong with that.

01:37:29.000 You're just a friendly guy.

01:37:31.000 Yeah.

01:37:31.000 But that Dunbar's number is what's going on.

01:37:33.000 Like, that's why you can't remember people.

01:37:35.000 That's really all it is.

01:37:36.000 I mean, you think about it.

01:37:37.000 You're Terry Bradshaw.

01:37:38.000 How many people have you met in your life?

01:37:40.000 You've probably met a million people, like, literally a million people.

01:37:43.000 But if you were in bad shape right now, You've got people you'd call, you've got a handful you could call.

01:37:51.000 Oh, yeah, for sure.

01:37:52.000 Yeah.

01:37:53.000 Really care about you?

01:37:54.000 Yeah.

01:37:54.000 Okay.

01:37:55.000 But that's how everybody is like a handful.

01:37:57.000 You have a handful that you really care about.

01:37:59.000 And you know what?

01:38:02.000 To take care and nurture your friendships that are really close takes effort.

01:38:06.000 It does.

01:38:07.000 And if you're 15 or 20, you don't have any time, man.

01:38:10.000 You wear yourself out.

01:38:12.000 I think we all start here and we.

01:38:15.000 Yes.

01:38:16.000 Yeah.

01:38:17.000 Well, there's also some people that disappoint you along the way, unfortunately.

01:38:20.000 Man, a lot of you.

01:38:21.000 Kidding yeah, that is.

01:38:23.000 Have you ever?

01:38:24.000 Have you ever just thrown all your trust and love into your your a buddy?

01:38:31.000 And then that sucker 15 or 16 whatever, and just boom, some of them yeah, whoa.

01:38:37.000 It's been a long time since i've had that happen, but there's some people that just don't make it all the time and then, and then i'm the first one to say i'm sorry, i'm sorry, I didn't, I didn't mean that, i'm sorry.

01:38:48.000 And then they don't take your apologies and they bring it up again.

01:38:52.000 I'm sorry.

01:38:53.000 Look, I told you i'm sorry, I had no.

01:38:56.000 Then they do it again.

01:38:57.000 Look, I said I'm sorry.

01:39:01.000 And then hang up, and that's it.

01:39:03.000 Well, some people just don't want to be happy.

01:39:06.000 And some people, they don't.

01:39:08.000 And they actually enjoy being in conflict because conflict takes them away from thinking about all the things that they need to correct in their life.

01:39:16.000 So they always like to be in some sort of a situation where there's some sort of a dispute or someone wronged them or something's disrespectful or something.

01:39:25.000 Yeah.

01:39:26.000 It's just distractions.

01:39:27.000 Yeah.

01:39:27.000 Most of it is distractions.

01:39:29.000 It's a personality problem.

01:39:30.000 I had a, this just happened yesterday.

01:39:32.000 I'm not going to mention their name because they're.

01:39:32.000 They do?

01:39:35.000 Okay.

01:39:36.000 So.

01:39:36.000 I tell this person, they had a stallion of mine, a young two-year-old, and they were showing it and they did a great job.

01:39:44.000 I brought the horse home.

01:39:45.000 Horse wasn't going to be good enough to go to the World Show, which is the Super Bowl, but he needed another year of growing and training.

01:39:55.000 So I brought him home.

01:39:57.000 Crazy about these people.

01:39:58.000 Been with them years.

01:40:01.000 I mean, the trainer was my first trainer ever, and that's been 40-something years ago.

01:40:08.000 Anyway.

01:40:10.000 So I'm over there.

01:40:11.000 I got them to come to church.

01:40:11.000 They came to church.

01:40:12.000 I was singing in church last two weeks ago, and they came.

01:40:16.000 I asked them, come, I'm singing in church.

01:40:17.000 And they said, okay, great.

01:40:18.000 So they came to hear me sing.

01:40:20.000 They loved our preacher, and they said, we're going to come back.

01:40:22.000 Well, they came back yesterday.

01:40:24.000 All right?

01:40:25.000 They came back yesterday.

01:40:27.000 We have a meet and greet during the service.

01:40:28.000 I got up and went, oh, man, it's great to see you.

01:40:32.000 And not even thinking that they had had this stud for so long and did a great job, I said, Guess who came by the house the other day and saw the barn name for the stud is Bradley and saw Bradley, fell in love with him, and I sent him home with him.

01:40:49.000 He's going to show him.

01:40:51.000 Oh, bub, it wasn't pretty.

01:40:54.000 Got mad, got real in church, got mad, got upset.

01:40:58.000 And I just, cold chills went over him.

01:41:01.000 I went, I got to thinking, what did I do?

01:41:03.000 What did I do?

01:41:04.000 And then I got to thinking, I took this horse from them and I gave it to another trainer.

01:41:09.000 And they got this horse looking as good as he could get it.

01:41:12.000 They got him going.

01:41:13.000 Now I'm giving it to a competitive trainer.

01:41:16.000 And I'm telling them, hey, yeah, he fell in love with him.

01:41:18.000 I said, sure, take him home with you.

01:41:21.000 It hurt them.

01:41:24.000 And it was obvious that they were very, one of them was really upset with me in church.

01:41:30.000 And so preachers up, getting ready to start, and I had to go get back in my seat.

01:41:34.000 And I went and I told Tammy, my wife, I said, holy cow, man, I just hurt their feelings.

01:41:39.000 I mean, they are upset with me because I sent this horse with some other trainer.

01:41:43.000 I said, God, I would have never done that.

01:41:45.000 I would have never done that.

01:41:47.000 Had I been thinking, I wouldn't have said a word about that.

01:41:50.000 Not a word.

01:41:51.000 But since they had had the horse, I figured it was no big deal, right?

01:41:54.000 My horse.

01:41:55.000 I do with it what I want.

01:41:58.000 Throughout the service, which was a great, great service, I was picking up on what the preacher was saying.

01:42:05.000 I found myself during that service, you ready for this?

01:42:08.000 Praying that God would help me go make things right with them because I couldn't stand the fact that I had upset them so much.

01:42:17.000 So, when the service was over and they were going, I went and grabbed, said, I am so sorry.

01:42:22.000 I want to apologize.

01:42:24.000 I wasn't thinking.

01:42:25.000 I made a huge mistake.

01:42:27.000 You're my dear friends.

01:42:28.000 I just don't, you know, you're, and I feel like I made it right, but I had to go and make that right because it just, but that's crazy, Terry.

01:42:38.000 That means you're a good guy.

01:42:39.000 That's great.

01:42:40.000 I hope so.

01:42:41.000 Yeah, no, you're a great guy.

01:42:42.000 That's a great thing to do because you care.

01:42:45.000 If you didn't care, if you were like, ah, screw them, what's wrong with you?

01:42:49.000 Oh, I ruined my service.

01:42:52.000 That's because you're a good guy.

01:42:53.000 That's because you're a good guy.

01:42:55.000 I really believe that.

01:42:56.000 You wanted them to feel better.

01:42:58.000 And I bet you did make it right.

01:43:00.000 And I didn't do it.

01:43:01.000 You didn't do it on purpose?

01:43:02.000 Of course.

01:43:03.000 Of course.

01:43:04.000 Well, sometimes people don't think, you know, I mean, some people.

01:43:08.000 You ever done that?

01:43:09.000 You ever gone to someone and said, hey, I went to a guy and told him 100,000 times how sorry I was, and I want you to know he was my best friend at the time, and we have not spoken since.

01:43:20.000 That's, now, some people are not that kind.

01:43:23.000 That's not on me.

01:43:24.000 No, that's on him.

01:43:25.000 That's on him.

01:43:26.000 Some people are not charitable, and they don't want to forgive people.

01:43:29.000 They like to be wronged.

01:43:31.000 There's people that like to be in conflict with people, and generally, their life is a mess.

01:43:36.000 That's generally not a balanced person.

01:43:38.000 This guy's life's not a mess, but I just.

01:43:40.000 Well, why is it so difficult?

01:43:42.000 Look, let's say you say something here today and it really upsets me.

01:43:46.000 You're probably going to know it now that we've been getting.

01:43:49.000 And you're probably saying, hey, are you okay with this?

01:43:52.000 And I'm going to tell you, you know, no, I'm not.

01:43:55.000 I'm not okay with that.

01:43:56.000 Well, then I would apologize.

01:43:59.000 That's what I'm.

01:43:59.000 Yeah.

01:44:00.000 And if you said something that pissed me off, I think if you apologize, I'd accept it immediately, too.

01:44:00.000 My point is.

01:44:05.000 But you've already said, I'm a good guy.

01:44:06.000 I'm not going to do that.

01:44:08.000 People don't mean to hurt people's feelings.

01:44:10.000 Feelings for the most part.

01:44:11.000 Some do.

01:44:12.000 Some people do.

01:44:13.000 But those people, you generally know that that's that kind of person in the first place, and you probably wouldn't be hanging out with them.

01:44:18.000 No.

01:44:19.000 But when you're close to someone, you love someone, you've got to have some forgiveness.

01:44:23.000 You've got to realize that people are human, and humans make mistakes.

01:44:25.000 I've been friends for as long as I have been with this one person.

01:44:30.000 I have another person.

01:44:31.000 What was the issue?

01:44:32.000 Issue was I made fun of him on the golf course.

01:44:35.000 Yeah.

01:44:35.000 That's it?

01:44:37.000 I make fun of everybody on the golf course.

01:44:38.000 You know why?

01:44:39.000 Because I suck.

01:44:42.000 I'm bad, Joe.

01:44:43.000 I'm bad.

01:44:44.000 Now, I love to play, and I love to play with my friends and have a simple little $5 bet, and it's not much.

01:44:50.000 But I love to say, oh, nice shot.

01:44:53.000 It's fun.

01:44:54.000 Me.

01:44:55.000 I know I'm an asshole.

01:44:55.000 Me.

01:44:57.000 Right.

01:44:58.000 You know the bad side of you, right?

01:45:00.000 You know your bad side.

01:45:01.000 I know mine.

01:45:02.000 I know mine.

01:45:03.000 Yeah.

01:45:04.000 My wife calls it Roy.

01:45:06.000 Oh, you have a different guy inside of you?

01:45:07.000 What is that movie?

01:45:10.000 Primal Fear.

01:45:10.000 True Grid?

01:45:13.000 Oh, okay.

01:45:14.000 Do, And he looks at me at the end, you go, had me fooled.

01:45:20.000 You go, holy cow.

01:45:22.000 So I took on the name Roy.

01:45:24.000 So when I'm going into a dark movie.

01:45:26.000 Edward Norton's character?

01:45:27.000 Yes.

01:45:28.000 Roy?

01:45:28.000 Yes.

01:45:29.000 I think it was Roy.

01:45:30.000 That movie was great.

01:45:31.000 That turn at the end, you're like, you know.

01:45:31.000 Oh.

01:45:33.000 Have you fooled?

01:45:34.000 Yeah.

01:45:35.000 Oh, I'm lost.

01:45:36.000 100%.

01:45:36.000 I was like, what?

01:45:38.000 I know.

01:45:39.000 At the end of that movie, I'm like, whoa.

01:45:42.000 Whoa.

01:45:42.000 That's another very smart guy.

01:45:44.000 Edward Norton.

01:45:45.000 I had him in on the podcast.

01:45:46.000 You've had him.

01:45:46.000 Oh.

01:45:47.000 Very interesting guy.

01:45:47.000 Yeah.

01:45:48.000 Yeah, I.

01:45:49.000 I find actors in general very.

01:45:51.000 Well, they're really good ones.

01:45:52.000 Yeah, they're.

01:45:54.000 They are.

01:45:56.000 Cooper, I love.

01:45:58.000 McConaughey, I've done a movie I love.

01:45:59.000 He's great.

01:46:02.000 Great guy, too.

01:46:03.000 Who else do it?

01:46:04.000 Also very smart.

01:46:04.000 George Foreman.

01:46:05.000 Yeah, very smart.

01:46:07.000 George Foreman, we did a show together called Better Late Than Never.

01:46:10.000 Never got to know him in two years.

01:46:13.000 Never got to know him in two years.

01:46:14.000 Really?

01:46:15.000 Never got to know him in two years.

01:46:16.000 He totally didn't associate with any of us.

01:46:16.000 How come?

01:46:19.000 He'd sit over here with his son.

01:46:19.000 We had lunch.

01:46:21.000 Had dinner.

01:46:21.000 He'd sit over here with his son.

01:46:23.000 I.

01:46:24.000 It could be.

01:46:25.000 I would only guess that he's shy.

01:46:28.000 He didn't like the fact that we drank.

01:46:30.000 He didn't like the language that was used because he's a preacher.

01:46:33.000 Right.

01:46:34.000 And I asked him one time, I said, George, how big is your congregation?

01:46:37.000 He said, 120.

01:46:39.000 I said, really?

01:46:39.000 How long have you been doing this?

01:46:40.000 I think he said something, maybe 20 years or something.

01:46:43.000 I said, because I've been taught as a Baptist that as a preacher, your congregation grows, right?

01:46:48.000 Right, right.

01:46:49.000 Right.

01:46:49.000 Your congregation grows.

01:46:51.000 And I said, so.

01:46:54.000 How many?

01:46:54.000 120.

01:46:55.000 I said, Oh, wow, it's small.

01:46:57.000 I said, You're building, you're growing.

01:46:59.000 He said, no, 120 is enough.

01:47:01.000 And I went, 120 is enough?

01:47:03.000 I said, so George, when do you start preparing your sermon?

01:47:09.000 Start on Tuesday like most preachers?

01:47:11.000 No.

01:47:12.000 Oh, you don't?

01:47:13.000 So when do you start preparing for your sermons?

01:47:16.000 Wednesday?

01:47:16.000 No.

01:47:19.000 So when do you start preparing for your sermon?

01:47:21.000 He says, when I stand up to preach, God tells me what to say.

01:47:26.000 Wow.

01:47:27.000 Okay.

01:47:28.000 You're going to argue with George Foreman?

01:47:29.000 I'm not.

01:47:30.000 But that looked like, all right, brother.

01:47:33.000 Yeah, I'm not arguing.

01:47:36.000 But yeah, he was, I wanted to get to know him.

01:47:38.000 He was friendly, but he was just.

01:47:42.000 It was blocked, yeah.

01:47:44.000 Yeah.

01:47:44.000 Well, he's also another guy that's been famous for a long time.

01:47:47.000 Long time.

01:47:48.000 And he's probably figured out how to block people out.

01:47:50.000 And also, he went through that dark period when he quit fighting for 10 years.

01:47:54.000 And, you know, the losing to Ali, I mean, that was very hard on him, you know.

01:47:59.000 He knew better.

01:48:01.000 When he lost the thrill in Manila, he knew better.

01:48:04.000 It was Rumble in the Jungle.

01:48:05.000 Oh, yeah.

01:48:06.000 Okay.

01:48:06.000 Well, yeah, that was the first time I ever saw it.

01:48:08.000 They both rhymed.

01:48:09.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:48:10.000 They definitely rhymed.

01:48:11.000 Well, that was Don King, right?

01:48:12.000 Yeah.

01:48:13.000 He knew how to promote a fight.

01:48:13.000 Oh, wow.

01:48:13.000 Yeah.

01:48:15.000 He knew better.

01:48:16.000 He told me that the hit that I took was nothing.

01:48:23.000 But he said I was so tired.

01:48:26.000 Yeah.

01:48:27.000 And I went, you're kidding.

01:48:29.000 He said, yeah, he said the hit was nothing.

01:48:32.000 Nothing.

01:48:33.000 But he went down.

01:48:34.000 He just thanked God I'm down.

01:48:36.000 I can get some air and get some breath.

01:48:38.000 He was definitely exhausted.

01:48:39.000 Oh, that was a strategy.

01:48:41.000 He knew what was going on.

01:48:43.000 But he thought with his power, he'd break a rib or something, you know.

01:48:48.000 Well, he had so much power.

01:48:50.000 Oh, I mean, when he fought Joe Frazier, he lifted him off his feet with a punch.

01:48:54.000 I mean, he was extraordinarily powerful.

01:48:57.000 He hit so hard.

01:48:58.000 Yeah, George.

01:48:59.000 How can you be that quick?

01:49:00.000 I mean, that big.

01:49:03.000 Yeah.

01:49:04.000 Well, that's his job.

01:49:05.000 Impressive, man.

01:49:06.000 Yeah.

01:49:06.000 Oh, he was very impressive.

01:49:07.000 Yeah.

01:49:08.000 I mean, that Ali fight was so crazy.

01:49:11.000 That was another fight where Ali was expected to lose, just like the Sonny Liston fight.

01:49:14.000 Yeah.

01:49:15.000 And it was such an upset that Hunter Thompson flew to Africa to cover it and didn't go to the fight.

01:49:21.000 He wound up just drinking and floating around in his pool and blew off the fight because he didn't want to watch Ali get knocked out.

01:49:28.000 Really?

01:49:29.000 Because Ali was his hero.

01:49:30.000 And he messed it up because he was supposed to be a journalist for Rolling Stone at the time.

01:49:34.000 I just thought that was a good one.

01:49:35.000 So they flew him over there to cover that fight.

01:49:37.000 See, You threw out your intelligence on me, throwing me a curveball.

01:49:41.000 Because I'm going, oh, yeah, Hunter.

01:49:44.000 Okay, yeah, okay.

01:49:46.000 Who's Hunter?

01:49:47.000 I had no idea who that guy was.

01:49:49.000 You don't know who Hunter S. Thompson is?

01:49:51.000 Boy, would I know him.

01:49:52.000 You never heard of him, the gonzo journalist, Hunter S. Thompson?

01:49:56.000 No.

01:49:56.000 The very famous journalist.

01:49:57.000 Is he in the Quarter Horse Journal?

01:49:59.000 No.

01:50:00.000 The Angus Weekly?

01:50:01.000 No.

01:50:02.000 No.

01:50:03.000 He's the guy from Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.

01:50:05.000 Do you know that?

01:50:06.000 You never heard of that book?

01:50:07.000 No.

01:50:08.000 The movie that Johnny Depp did, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, where he played Hunter Thompson?

01:50:11.000 He did write that about horses.

01:50:11.000 No.

01:50:13.000 The Kentucky Derby is Decadent and Depraved.

01:50:15.000 That's one of his best works.

01:50:16.000 Really?

01:50:17.000 It's a fantastic show.

01:50:18.000 Hey, listen.

01:50:18.000 That's Hunter Thompson.

01:50:19.000 He was amazing.

01:50:20.000 When I first got into the cattle business, my wife, ex wife, and I went to a big cattle sale.

01:50:27.000 To your point about me saying, I don't know who he is.

01:50:29.000 Now, I just played it off, all right?

01:50:32.000 I didn't want to embarrass myself, but then I got to thinking, I don't know who this guy is.

01:50:36.000 Now, you answered who he was, but I didn't care.

01:50:39.000 I get it.

01:50:40.000 So I go to this cattle sale.

01:50:41.000 This auctioneer and I, this auctioneer's out there and he wants to meet me, Terry Bradshaw.

01:50:45.000 So, I got my ex wife there, the auctioneer, and a couple of his ring stewards, you know, and we're sitting there talking.

01:50:50.000 So, I asked a simple question.

01:50:52.000 So tell me, Mr. Auctioneer, what do you make the most money on in auctioning off stuff?

01:51:00.000 Terry, we're really hitting a home run right now with limousines.

01:51:05.000 Limousines.

01:51:07.000 Now, see, my brain, I'm at a cow auction.

01:51:10.000 Right.

01:51:11.000 And he's a cow auctioneer.

01:51:13.000 He's not supposed to sell cars.

01:51:13.000 Right.

01:51:15.000 Right.

01:51:16.000 Cars.

01:51:16.000 Right.

01:51:17.000 When you think cars, limousines.

01:51:19.000 That's what I would have thought.

01:51:20.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:51:22.000 I was about to say to him.

01:51:25.000 Oh my God, you mean to tell me you sell cars?

01:51:28.000 And my ex wife goes, You mean to tell me that you sell cars?

01:51:34.000 And he goes, Oh, sweetie.

01:51:37.000 And I'm like, This is the funny shit here, boy.

01:51:43.000 What a dumbass.

01:51:45.000 And he goes, No, honey, limousine is a breed of cattle.

01:51:49.000 Oh, that's a limousine.

01:51:50.000 There you go.

01:51:51.000 There's a limousine right there.

01:51:53.000 You know what I like about this show?

01:51:54.000 When you just think you're throwing everybody a curveball, they throw it up on the screen.

01:51:58.000 That's Jamie.

01:51:59.000 Jamie, you're amazing, man.

01:52:00.000 He's the best.

01:52:01.000 When he's sober, he is numb, numb, numb, better.

01:52:04.000 When he's sober?

01:52:04.000 Serious.

01:52:05.000 You should see him when he's drunk.

01:52:05.000 When he's sober.

01:52:07.000 Oh, my God.

01:52:07.000 He's even better.

01:52:08.000 But anyway, I thought, you know, I could, I should write a book about some of this stuff, but you should.

01:52:13.000 I should.

01:52:14.000 Why not?

01:52:16.000 I think I got enough time.

01:52:16.000 I don't know.

01:52:18.000 Yeah, maybe a documentary.

01:52:19.000 Maybe just sit down with someone and have them tell all these stories.

01:52:23.000 Yeah, you think nobody'd care about these stories?

01:52:25.000 Sure they would.

01:52:26.000 Nah.

01:52:26.000 Absolutely.

01:52:27.000 Edit them up.

01:52:28.000 Do a good job with the editing.

01:52:29.000 Should I start a podcast?

01:52:31.000 Yeah.

01:52:31.000 No, I don't.

01:52:32.000 Terry Bradshaw experience?

01:52:33.000 No, I don't think so.

01:52:34.000 No, no.

01:52:36.000 You know what, Joe, listen.

01:52:38.000 You started this 15 years ago or something?

01:52:40.000 Something like that, yeah.

01:52:41.000 Do you have any idea it would be like this?

01:52:43.000 No.

01:52:44.000 So why do I want to do something like this when there's a million podcasts going on?

01:52:49.000 Well, you would only do it if you like doing it.

01:52:52.000 I would not like doing it.

01:52:53.000 Well, then don't do it.

01:52:54.000 I don't want to.

01:52:54.000 Look, I got enough on my plate right now.

01:52:58.000 Yeah, don't do it unless it seems interesting to you.

01:53:00.000 Besides that, who's going to come on my show?

01:53:02.000 A lot of people would come on the Terry Bradshaw show.

01:53:04.000 No, I don't think so.

01:53:05.000 I came on your show when you had a TV show.

01:53:07.000 Did you?

01:53:08.000 Yeah.

01:53:08.000 What show was that?

01:53:09.000 When you had a TV show?

01:53:10.000 Yeah, I was on it.

01:53:10.000 Yeah.

01:53:11.000 I was a guest.

01:53:12.000 When I had the Fox show?

01:53:15.000 Whatever that talk show thing you did was.

01:53:17.000 Get out.

01:53:18.000 You were one of my star guests?

01:53:18.000 Yeah.

01:53:20.000 I was a guest when I was on News Radio.

01:53:23.000 That was a sitcom.

01:53:25.000 Yeah.

01:53:26.000 Oh, well.

01:53:27.000 I believe it was News Radio.

01:53:28.000 It was a long time ago.

01:53:29.000 Oh, I remember.

01:53:30.000 No, you don't.

01:53:32.000 Oh, no, no, Joe.

01:53:32.000 No, you don't.

01:53:33.000 You were great, by the way.

01:53:33.000 Yeah.

01:53:34.000 I loved it, man.

01:53:36.000 You were great.

01:53:37.000 We talked about Limousine Cattle.

01:53:38.000 Oh, yeah.

01:53:39.000 Yeah.

01:53:40.000 Hunter Thompson.

01:53:41.000 What are you drinking?

01:53:42.000 I was drinking coffee now.

01:53:43.000 It was a hoot.

01:53:43.000 Smart.

01:53:44.000 Yeah.

01:53:45.000 That was a fun show.

01:53:47.000 I don't remember the name of it.

01:53:48.000 But you could do something like that if you wanted to.

01:53:51.000 I mean, you could do anything if you wanted to, but you definitely would get guests if you ever wanted to do a podcast.

01:53:56.000 I did a radio show once.

01:53:58.000 How was that?

01:53:59.000 It was good.

01:54:00.000 It's good, but it was just hard to get people.

01:54:02.000 Really?

01:54:03.000 Yeah.

01:54:03.000 That doesn't make sense to me.

01:54:05.000 Where were you doing it out of?

01:54:05.000 I will.

01:54:07.000 L.A.

01:54:08.000 Oh, so many people in L.A. How's that hard to get?

01:54:10.000 When I had my daytime show in L.A., I couldn't get anybody.

01:54:13.000 Really?

01:54:14.000 I got Whoopi Goldberg one time.

01:54:18.000 But you're laughing far.

01:54:19.000 How was she?

01:54:21.000 Yeah, she was a blat.

01:54:21.000 Was she fun?

01:54:24.000 She was.

01:54:25.000 She was the biggest thing we ever had.

01:54:26.000 It's probably fun when she's on The View.

01:54:27.000 Yeah.

01:54:29.000 I don't know.

01:54:30.000 All those hens get together.

01:54:31.000 I watched that show.

01:54:37.000 I'm like, ladies.

01:54:38.000 Go outside, hug a child.

01:54:40.000 I had Whoopi, who I really had.

01:54:43.000 I had Charlton Heston.

01:54:45.000 Now you're talking.

01:54:46.000 How was he?

01:54:47.000 Fabulous.

01:54:48.000 Yeah?

01:54:49.000 I couldn't, the show could, I could have done three hours.

01:54:53.000 I was just fascinated.

01:54:55.000 He was so nice.

01:54:57.000 You know, is there anything worse, Joe, than thinking you, and that's my understanding, you won't bring people on here that you don't feel comfortable with.

01:55:06.000 No, if I'm not interested in talking to them.

01:55:08.000 Yeah, so I'm very honored to be here today.

01:55:10.000 But can you imagine, can you imagine, can you imagine having people on that are just jerks?

01:55:20.000 Yeah.

01:55:21.000 And, or interviewing them.

01:55:23.000 And it's like, oh, God, where can I go here to get something out of this interview?

01:55:28.000 You know, it's just, God.

01:55:31.000 That's just, but yeah.

01:55:33.000 But Charlton Heston, I had Garth Brooks, which was fabulous.

01:55:37.000 I gave him the whole, I gave Charlton Heston the whole hour, just me and him.

01:55:41.000 It was kind of like this.

01:55:43.000 He was amazing.

01:55:44.000 Yeah.

01:55:45.000 He was like one of the first big actors that was like publicly conservative.

01:55:50.000 Remember, he was like, Well, he did the NRA.

01:55:52.000 They caught hell for that.

01:55:53.000 Yeah.

01:55:54.000 Was he the head of the NRA at one point?

01:55:56.000 It was a part of the NRA.

01:55:56.000 No, no, no.

01:55:57.000 Part of it, I think he did something with the NRA.

01:56:00.000 Yeah.

01:56:01.000 Yeah.

01:56:02.000 But he was huge.

01:56:03.000 He famously was like, You can have my gun when you pry my cold, dead fingers from it.

01:56:08.000 Say, I'm, yeah, I'm, my brother has, I don't know how many guns.

01:56:12.000 I said, What are you going to do with all those guns?

01:56:14.000 Man, you've got to have guns.

01:56:15.000 I said, Gary, he's got those rifles that.

01:56:21.000 Shoot 5,000 rounds in 10 seconds.

01:56:23.000 What are those things called?

01:56:26.000 Yeah.

01:56:26.000 AR 15.

01:56:27.000 He's got five or six.

01:56:28.000 What do you do with all those guns?

01:56:30.000 Yeah, you never know when you're going to need a gun.

01:56:32.000 There's a lot of people like that in this country.

01:56:34.000 Oh my God, they are.

01:56:36.000 Yeah.

01:56:37.000 And I got a, I got a, what did I got?

01:56:41.000 I got a bunch of guns, but I gave them all away.

01:56:43.000 Everybody gives me guns.

01:56:44.000 I don't shoot guns.

01:56:45.000 You don't shoot guns at all?

01:56:46.000 No.

01:56:47.000 No.

01:56:47.000 No?

01:56:48.000 My wife only let me put a gun by the bed.

01:56:50.000 I've been burglarized six times.

01:56:54.000 Have you really?

01:56:55.000 What do you know?

01:56:55.000 Yeah.

01:56:56.000 I got shot at with a shotgun.

01:56:57.000 This is how I can tell you that when you get shot at with a shotgun, flames come out of the gun.

01:57:05.000 Flames.

01:57:06.000 And I'm running in the backyard to get in my car.

01:57:10.000 And this guy goes around the backside.

01:57:12.000 Boom!

01:57:13.000 And flames.

01:57:15.000 And BBs.

01:57:17.000 And I get in the old GTO, 1970 GTO, yellow and black.

01:57:24.000 Oh, man, get her done.

01:57:26.000 Yeah, boy.

01:57:27.000 This is nice.

01:57:28.000 And I got in.

01:57:29.000 But.

01:57:30.000 I'm used to pushing the button or pull in reverse, you go down, right?

01:57:34.000 I pull it down.

01:57:35.000 I turn around.

01:57:36.000 I hit the brake.

01:57:36.000 I go forward, right, and through the wall.

01:57:39.000 Realized you got to go one click.

01:57:41.000 Yeah, it was not good.

01:57:41.000 Ah.

01:57:43.000 Not good.

01:57:44.000 But my wife won't let me keep anything.

01:57:46.000 So, where did you get burglarized six times?

01:57:49.000 Ruston.

01:57:50.000 Ruston, Louisiana.

01:57:51.000 Mansfield, Louisiana.

01:57:53.000 On my ranches, yeah.

01:57:55.000 On your ranches?

01:57:55.000 Yeah.

01:57:56.000 So they came onto the ranch.

01:57:57.000 How big was the ranch?

01:57:57.000 Yeah.

01:57:59.000 400 acres at the time.

01:58:01.000 Oh, so they had to do some driving to get to the house.

01:58:03.000 And they had to go through a The gate, the gate, the gate I locked.

01:58:08.000 So, how did they get in?

01:58:10.000 And you ever let me tell you something you are laying in bed at night and it's 1 a.m. in the morning and you feel the presence of somebody else in your house.

01:58:20.000 All right.

01:58:21.000 And a flashlight is going over your head and going through the wall like this.

01:58:28.000 You, I, I can't even begin to tell you, you can't breathe and you don't.

01:58:34.000 And I'm laying down like this and I'm flattening myself and.

01:58:37.000 Back in those days, you're too young to know this.

01:58:39.000 Remember, well, the prince's phone?

01:58:43.000 You know what the prince's phone is?

01:58:44.000 Prince's phone?

01:58:45.000 You know everything we've been talking about today.

01:58:47.000 You've been throwing all kinds of shit up here.

01:58:49.000 And you don't know what a princess phone is.

01:58:51.000 Are you saying princess? phone.

01:58:51.000 Do you know what a princess phone is?

01:58:55.000 It's a phone.

01:58:56.000 It was one of the first push button phones.

01:58:59.000 You didn't have to.

01:59:00.000 Okay.

01:59:01.000 It's a princess.

01:59:02.000 So I took my.

01:59:05.000 Look at you.

01:59:07.000 It does.

01:59:08.000 That's a princess phone?

01:59:09.000 There you go.

01:59:10.000 Thank you so much.

01:59:11.000 Did you know what that is, Jamie?

01:59:13.000 No.

01:59:14.000 Look, look.

01:59:15.000 Look, Joe.

01:59:16.000 I'm laying in bed.

01:59:17.000 I take my left hand and I slide it over to my princess phone.

01:59:22.000 I take the receiver off and I take my fingers and I go across the dials and I dial and I'm my uncle who lives 200 yards away.

01:59:33.000 I get the phone.

01:59:34.000 Pull up to the microphone so people can hear you.

01:59:37.000 I pull the phone up.

01:59:38.000 I'm laying back trying so you can't see me or anything.

01:59:41.000 And I said, Bobby, I got a burglar.

01:59:44.000 He's at my bedroom window.

01:59:46.000 He says, all right, I'm on my way.

01:59:49.000 So I take the phone down and he goes, and you can see the guy hears my uncle.

01:59:54.000 Coming and this guy takes off and he chases him down through the pasture and he loses him out through the.

02:00:02.000 I had another guy go through my house tearing up my kitchen.

02:00:04.000 Same place?

02:00:05.000 No, different place.

02:00:07.000 In college, tearing up my dishes in my kitchen.

02:00:07.000 Wow.

02:00:13.000 He was looking through the dishes?

02:00:15.000 He was making noise.

02:00:17.000 The only thing I could fear was the guy was trying to run me off.

02:00:21.000 I was living in the Methodist parsonage out on the edge of town.

02:00:25.000 Come to find out, this guy was living in the attic.

02:00:28.000 Over the office.

02:00:30.000 So the cops found all kinds of paraphernalia, cans of food, beer, up in the office.

02:00:36.000 So, only thing I could figure Sean ran, but he ran me off.

02:00:39.000 Or he might have just been drugged.

02:00:40.000 I'm out of there.

02:00:41.000 I don't know what he was.

02:00:41.000 I want to figure out.

02:00:45.000 I've come home twice and had guys running out of my house, taking off.

02:00:50.000 Same house?

02:00:51.000 Yeah.

02:00:52.000 Yeah.

02:00:53.000 Six.

02:00:54.000 Six of these I had.

02:00:55.000 Jeez.

02:00:55.000 You ever been shot at?

02:00:57.000 So you were running away from these guys?

02:01:00.000 I forgot.

02:01:00.000 What's his name again?

02:01:01.000 Jamie.

02:01:01.000 You can call me young Jamie.

02:01:02.000 Jamie, one more time, son.

02:01:04.000 I'm going to ask you what your name is.

02:01:06.000 Okay?

02:01:07.000 All right, one more.

02:01:08.000 I told you three times, right?

02:01:09.000 All right, I got you down now.

02:01:11.000 So, the same place, why'd you keep getting broken into this one place?

02:01:16.000 I'm out in the middle of nowhere.

02:01:17.000 I'm Terry Bradshaw.

02:01:18.000 They want to come in.

02:01:20.000 Another guy came down.

02:01:22.000 He stole all my stuff out of my garage, all the chainsaw.

02:01:29.000 He got all the kind of tools and stuff that he could go and sell.

02:01:34.000 Just wipe me out.

02:01:36.000 No security?

02:01:39.000 No security system?

02:01:39.000 No.

02:01:40.000 Nothing?

02:01:41.000 I got dogs now.

02:01:41.000 No.

02:01:43.000 And now I've had, since Tammy and I, 22 years now, and I got a guard dog.

02:01:51.000 But I will not leave my wife at home.

02:01:55.000 My wife and I, 22 years have been apart two days.

02:01:58.000 I will not leave without my wife.

02:02:00.000 What kind of guard dog did you get?

02:02:01.000 German Shepherd.

02:02:02.000 I got him from Wayne Simonovich in South Carolina.

02:02:05.000 I got a badass dog.

02:02:05.000 Okay, so you got a train.

02:02:07.000 His name is Legend.

02:02:08.000 Then I bought him a.

02:02:09.000 I got a female this year.

02:02:11.000 Her name is, we named her after the Viking character Freya.

02:02:17.000 Freya, the queen.

02:02:18.000 Freya.

02:02:19.000 So I'm going to read those because I'm tired of spending $20,000 for it.

02:02:23.000 So I'm going to raise my guard dog.

02:02:25.000 Nice.

02:02:27.000 And you know what's great about them?

02:02:28.000 They're guard dogs.

02:02:30.000 Right.

02:02:30.000 You don't play with them.

02:02:31.000 You don't play with them.

02:02:32.000 You don't rough them.

02:02:33.000 You don't tackle them.

02:02:33.000 You don't grab them.

02:02:37.000 They don't mess around.

02:02:38.000 They don't mess around.

02:02:38.000 Right.

02:02:39.000 They're serious.

02:02:40.000 They're serious.

02:02:40.000 Yeah.

02:02:41.000 They're so old.

02:02:42.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:02:43.000 Yeah.

02:02:44.000 You got a dog?

02:02:44.000 Sucks, yeah.

02:02:45.000 What do you got?

02:02:46.000 I have a golden retriever.

02:02:47.000 I love them.

02:02:48.000 They're great, but he ain't garden shit.

02:02:50.000 No, I know.

02:02:51.000 Hey, y'all, come on in.

02:02:52.000 There's ice cream up there.

02:02:53.000 Y'all open it and we'll share it.

02:02:55.000 He'll let everybody in.

02:02:56.000 Oh, I have another dog.

02:02:57.000 I've got eight dachshunds.

02:02:59.000 I have another dog that's a King Charles Cavalier.

02:03:02.000 You know what those are?

02:03:03.000 The little tiny dogs?

02:03:04.000 Oh, my God, he's so adorable.

02:03:06.000 He jumps in the pool and he's just started, he's a year old and he started swimming over the last couple months and he gets so excited that he whines like you think he's in pain or something.

02:03:19.000 He's talking to you.

02:03:21.000 Yeah, and he just can't wait to jump in the water.

02:03:23.000 Really?

02:03:24.000 Oh, he loves it.

02:03:25.000 Two of my dachshunds talk constantly.

02:03:28.000 Oh, really?

02:03:28.000 Oh, and this morning, I'm a little tired today because for some reason these two sleep with me every night.

02:03:36.000 Their names are Sadie Lynn and Baby Girl.

02:03:40.000 One's a black miniature dachshund, the other one is an Australian shepherd looking, black and tan, you know, spotty.

02:03:47.000 Oh, they are precious.

02:03:49.000 The baby girl likes to get on my chest.

02:03:51.000 When she's got to go outside, she gets on my chest, puts her chin right under my mouth.

02:04:00.000 And I'll wake up and I know exactly what's up.

02:04:02.000 And I'll sit there and I go, What time is it?

02:04:06.000 And I'll go over and I'll get the TV control and I'll shake it so the light will come on.

02:04:15.000 Oh my God, it's 11 o'clock.

02:04:16.000 You've got to be kidding me.

02:04:17.000 So I'll take them outside and they'll go potty.

02:04:20.000 This is good.

02:04:21.000 Once normally, a lot of times never, but once max.

02:04:25.000 Last night, three times.

02:04:27.000 Oh, yeah, 130.

02:04:27.000 Three times.

02:04:28.000 130.

02:04:31.000 Oh, what?

02:04:33.000 You got to pee again?

02:04:34.000 You got to be kidding me.

02:04:36.000 So I slide to the right, down off the bed, these two come.

02:04:40.000 We go outside.

02:04:41.000 I'm so sleepy.

02:04:43.000 I sit on the steps and put my head against the porch pole, and I'm like this.

02:04:50.000 Their heads are in the doorway, and they're looking at me like, What are we doing?

02:04:56.000 I'm like, you got to pee, right?

02:05:01.000 No, no, not really.

02:05:03.000 So I go back at 3 30.

02:05:05.000 Here I go again.

02:05:06.000 Then they went to the bathroom.

02:05:07.000 But this is, you know.

02:05:09.000 So sometimes they just want to wake you up.

02:05:11.000 They just, yeah.

02:05:13.000 I mean, look, I'm a dog lover, okay?

02:05:15.000 Me too.

02:05:16.000 I got nine, ten, ten dogs now.

02:05:18.000 Do you really?

02:05:19.000 Oh, yeah, I got ten dogs and two serious guard dogs.

02:05:22.000 Two badass dogs.

02:05:23.000 Yeah.

02:05:23.000 So those are the ones.

02:05:24.000 Oh, the one guard dog is badass.

02:05:26.000 The other one's going to be badass.

02:05:28.000 It sucks to be out there.

02:05:28.000 Yeah.

02:05:29.000 And you know what?

02:05:30.000 When you live where I live, out where I live, I don't know where you live, but what are you doing?

02:05:33.000 What is that?

02:05:35.000 This is ultra.

02:05:36.000 It's nootropic.

02:05:38.000 It's like essentially brain vitamins.

02:05:38.000 Do you know what that is?

02:05:42.000 But come, you don't swallow it.

02:05:43.000 Because it's a pouch.

02:05:46.000 Like a nicotine pouch?

02:05:47.000 Same kind of thing?

02:05:47.000 No, it's like you've got a smoking addiction.

02:05:50.000 Yeah, but it's not.

02:05:51.000 You've got a nicotine addiction?

02:05:52.000 It's not nicotine.

02:05:52.000 Is that what you're saying?

02:05:53.000 What is it?

02:05:54.000 You said nicotine.

02:05:55.000 No, it's nootropics.

02:05:56.000 Is that one of those things that you're using to pronounce?

02:05:58.000 It's like brain vitamins.

02:06:00.000 Is it like ivermectin?

02:06:01.000 Yes.

02:06:01.000 No, it's like nutrients, brain nutrients.

02:06:06.000 Sorry.

02:06:07.000 It sucks that you have to have it.

02:06:08.000 I couldn't help myself.

02:06:09.000 Listen, we're not friends anymore.

02:06:10.000 Yes, we are.

02:06:11.000 I'm upset with you now, and I'm never going to be back on again.

02:06:14.000 Isn't that hilarious, though, that you could make fun of a guy playing golf and he doesn't want to be your friend forever because of that?

02:06:22.000 I was shocked.

02:06:23.000 Yeah, you got off light.

02:06:24.000 Oh, and I had another friend.

02:06:25.000 You got off light.

02:06:26.000 Yeah, I had another friend.

02:06:27.000 That's a sensitive.

02:06:28.000 Another friend I spent four days a week with because, like I said, I'm playing golf and didn't have a job.

02:06:33.000 We hung out.

02:06:34.000 His wife and I went to dinner all the time, cooked out all the time.

02:06:38.000 And then one day, I said, Hey, I'm a mom.

02:06:42.000 We just recently passed away.

02:06:44.000 Say, hey, man, I got us a tea time for more at 1 30.

02:06:48.000 Call me back.

02:06:49.000 Nothing.

02:06:50.000 Hey.

02:06:52.000 Nothing.

02:06:53.000 Two days, three days, four days, five days, a week, two weeks, a month.

02:06:56.000 Nothing, nothing, nothing.

02:07:00.000 Never heard from him again.

02:07:01.000 What happened?

02:07:03.000 His wife didn't like me.

02:07:04.000 Whoa.

02:07:05.000 That's what I found out.

02:07:07.000 His wife didn't like you.

02:07:08.000 Well, what's not to like?

02:07:09.000 I'm a nice guy.

02:07:10.000 Yeah, I don't understand that at all.

02:07:12.000 Yeah, I think she's just jealous of our relationship.

02:07:16.000 Oh, there's those kind of relationships.

02:07:18.000 Guys and gals will do that.

02:07:19.000 Will they separate you from your friends?

02:07:22.000 That's a real fucking problem.

02:07:23.000 Well, that's a giant red flag right there.

02:07:26.000 That's not good.

02:07:28.000 A person who doesn't want you having good friends, that's crazy.

02:07:31.000 Yeah, I know.

02:07:32.000 That's crazy.

02:07:33.000 You know, I'm the luckiest guy in the world because I work for a network with four, sometimes five guys.

02:07:43.000 And if you can put five big egos together and have everybody love and care about one another, I'm going to tell you that's special.

02:07:50.000 That is special.

02:07:51.000 That Fox show.

02:07:53.000 Is so special.

02:07:55.000 It is.

02:07:57.000 You've seen this show, I assume, and we're just like, it's like a locker room.

02:08:02.000 Well, that's where we are.

02:08:03.000 It's supposed to be.

02:08:04.000 Yeah, and that's what people like watching.

02:08:04.000 So much fun.

02:08:06.000 I think so.

02:08:08.000 100%.

02:08:08.000 Yeah.

02:08:09.000 People want to watch people that actually are friends.

02:08:11.000 Yeah.

02:08:12.000 And we have fun.

02:08:13.000 We had this one.

02:08:14.000 I mean, you learn where you can go with your friends.

02:08:18.000 Yeah.

02:08:19.000 All right?

02:08:20.000 You learn.

02:08:20.000 Don't go here, don't go there.

02:08:21.000 Yeah.

02:08:21.000 Which is fine.

02:08:23.000 You want to make sure that, because we're on live television.

02:08:26.000 So you don't ever want to embarrass anybody on live television.

02:08:29.000 Of course.

02:08:29.000 So you learn where to go.

02:08:30.000 And you build that trust.

02:08:33.000 And then that trust, because you have the trust, you bond.

02:08:37.000 You become, hey, how are you doing?

02:08:38.000 Hey, man, how was it this week?

02:08:39.000 How's your daughter's great?

02:08:40.000 Hey, how's your wife great?

02:08:43.000 I mean, it's just, you just get to, everybody hugs everybody.

02:08:46.000 Hey, how was your week?

02:08:47.000 I mean, it's, I can't even begin.

02:08:49.000 The day that that show is over for me, and I hope I die on set, which is, I've always said, if I could just.

02:08:54.000 Die on set.

02:08:56.000 Think about it, Joe.

02:08:57.000 Think about it.

02:08:58.000 If I die on set, seriously, if I could just get a couple words out before I go, I don't want to just.

02:09:09.000 It's one last good line.

02:09:11.000 I really do think Dallas is going to win the Super Bowl.

02:09:15.000 If I could just get something out, you know, forever immortal, right?

02:09:21.000 So I said, and that's the way I feel.

02:09:21.000 Great.

02:09:25.000 I assume that's the way you do this show.

02:09:27.000 You can't wait to do it.

02:09:28.000 You should.

02:09:29.000 This is awesome.

02:09:30.000 To get down and sit down with people from different walks of life, basically.

02:09:35.000 Yeah.

02:09:36.000 Politicians don't agree with you, religious people, whatever.

02:09:40.000 And you sit there and you build this, you know, you get to know these people.

02:09:45.000 You ask all these questions, or in my case, I'm just jumping around here.

02:09:49.000 That's what I do, basically.

02:09:51.000 Well, he hadn't asked me about this.

02:09:53.000 I like a jump around.

02:09:54.000 Is it Simon?

02:09:55.000 Jamie.

02:09:55.000 Jamie, I told you, Jamie.

02:09:57.000 That's it.

02:09:58.000 No, I got it.

02:09:59.000 Oh, no, I got it.

02:10:00.000 No, young Jamie.

02:10:00.000 Young Jamie.

02:10:01.000 Think of it like Van Halen.

02:10:02.000 Jamie's crying.

02:10:03.000 Whoa, whoa, whoa, Jamie's crying.

02:10:05.000 Remember that song?

02:10:06.000 Look, I got it here.

02:10:08.000 Jamie.

02:10:09.000 Jamie.

02:10:10.000 Young Jamie.

02:10:11.000 Jamie, you married?

02:10:12.000 Nope.

02:10:12.000 Attaboy.

02:10:13.000 Free man.

02:10:14.000 Ladies.

02:10:14.000 Free.

02:10:15.000 How old are you, Jamie?

02:10:18.000 Old enough.

02:10:19.000 What did he say?

02:10:20.000 Old enough.

02:10:21.000 What's that?

02:10:21.000 What's old enough?

02:10:22.000 Old enough to know.

02:10:23.000 So, how old are you, Jamie?

02:10:24.000 43.

02:10:26.000 Hmm, okay.

02:10:27.000 Got a girl?

02:10:29.000 Not right now.

02:10:30.000 Okay.

02:10:31.000 He's free right now.

02:10:32.000 Yeah.

02:10:34.000 Ladies.

02:10:35.000 Young Jamie's on the prowl.

02:10:37.000 Jamie, you on the prowl?

02:10:39.000 Sure.

02:10:39.000 All right.

02:10:40.000 Yeah.

02:10:41.000 Where's your.

02:10:43.000 There's a lot of good looking women in Austin, Texas, Jane.

02:10:45.000 There is.

02:10:46.000 It's a good place.

02:10:47.000 You need some help.

02:10:48.000 Good place to be a single woman.

02:10:49.000 Good place to be a single woman.

02:10:50.000 Let's go out tonight.

02:10:54.000 I guess we need to move on, right?

02:10:56.000 Yeah, let's move on.

02:10:57.000 But anyway, I'm so.

02:10:58.000 In talking about that show, it just.

02:11:00.000 Well, having a show like that where a bunch of people are really actually friends is so huge for the viewer.

02:11:06.000 It is.

02:11:08.000 Listen, do you want to turn on a show like a pregame?

02:11:11.000 Come on, pregame shows.

02:11:12.000 I watch them and I go, oh, God.

02:11:13.000 Especially if it's Steven.

02:11:14.000 Steven done this.

02:11:15.000 Shut up!

02:11:16.000 Right.

02:11:17.000 Shut up.

02:11:19.000 Announces.

02:11:20.000 Guys doing the game.

02:11:21.000 Shut up.

02:11:22.000 Right.

02:11:23.000 Or when they're just sports guys that really aren't actually passionate about football.

02:11:27.000 Yeah.

02:11:28.000 And you hear them talking, you're like, you know what they're talking about?

02:11:31.000 Stats.

02:11:32.000 They get it all right here.

02:11:32.000 Yeah.

02:11:34.000 Yeah.

02:11:35.000 And let me tell you something.

02:11:36.000 Yeah.

02:11:37.000 I hate stats.

02:11:39.000 I hate them.

02:11:39.000 They're okay occasionally.

02:11:41.000 They make a real point.

02:11:44.000 Yeah.

02:11:45.000 But if all you got is, well, it's 50, it's a real point.

02:11:47.000 Yeah.

02:11:47.000 But if all you got is, well, it's 50, it's a real point.

02:11:50.000 Yeah.

02:11:51.000 If it makes a point in a big, but otherwise.

02:11:55.000 Right, right, right.

02:11:56.000 I remember once, well, anyway, I was talking about all the guys, and I love telling this story on Howie.

02:12:03.000 Howie is my best friend on the show, without question.

02:12:07.000 I mean, we are so different.

02:12:09.000 He went to Villanova.

02:12:11.000 I went to an engineering school at Louisiana Tech.

02:12:15.000 I got a college degree.

02:12:17.000 Howie, I'm sorry, he didn't graduate.

02:12:20.000 I'm sorry, Howie.

02:12:22.000 Don't hate me for his big asses.

02:12:24.000 What are you telling everybody?

02:12:25.000 Hey, I love you.

02:12:25.000 I didn't grab.

02:12:26.000 I shouldn't have said, Joe, I didn't say that.

02:12:29.000 Anyway, so we're doing this show.

02:12:33.000 And when we had Jimmy Johnson on the show, Jimmy's great.

02:12:37.000 Oh, Jimmy was awesome.

02:12:39.000 So Jimmy's telling this story, all right?

02:12:43.000 And Jimmy's telling, it's a funny story.

02:12:47.000 And Jimmy starts laughing.

02:12:48.000 We all start laughing.

02:12:50.000 Strahan.

02:12:53.000 We're belly aching.

02:12:54.000 That's funny.

02:12:55.000 That's funny, Jimmy.

02:12:56.000 Michael Strahan's next.

02:12:58.000 The director, we got it all worked out.

02:13:00.000 It goes Jimmy, Michael, Terry, Howie.

02:13:02.000 Jimmy, Howie.

02:13:03.000 Yeah, Howie.

02:13:05.000 So Michael Strahan, he adds to that story and it's even funnier.

02:13:12.000 Oh, oh my God.

02:13:14.000 Stop.

02:13:15.000 Stop right now.

02:13:18.000 Now it's my turn.

02:13:19.000 Now I've got to.

02:13:21.000 I got to, I got to, you're a comedian.

02:13:23.000 You know, you got to match it at least, right?

02:13:26.000 Or do it one better.

02:13:28.000 I'm adding to what Michael said, to what Jimmy said, and we're rolling.

02:13:34.000 Oh, God, stop.

02:13:35.000 Oh, this is, this is killing me.

02:13:37.000 Oh, Howie's turn.

02:13:40.000 Howie looks at the camera.

02:13:43.000 The outside linebacker for Seattle, Bucky Buckhalter, sprained his ankle in pregame warm up, and he won't be starting.

02:13:52.000 today for the Seahawks, Jasper Julian will be in his place out of Kansas State.

02:14:08.000 What?

02:14:10.000 And we go to commercial break.

02:14:12.000 And I'm like, three, ha ha ha.

02:14:16.000 One, oh.

02:14:18.000 I'm looking at Howie, and I'm staring at Howie.

02:14:21.000 I'm just like this.

02:14:24.000 He's turning, he feels me.

02:14:25.000 He turns around and says, What?

02:14:28.000 I said, You can't help it, can you?

02:14:32.000 Help what?

02:14:34.000 You know what I'm talking about.

02:14:35.000 No, I don't.

02:14:35.000 What are you talking about?

02:14:37.000 I said, You're boring.

02:14:45.000 I wouldn't have said it if I didn't know I could get away with it.

02:14:48.000 And for the rest of the show, he was hilarious because he said, Well, you know, being boring, let me say, and it was funny.

02:14:55.000 But yeah, it was, you can't do that unless there's trust.

02:15:00.000 Right.

02:15:01.000 And Strahan, we made the first day Strahan was on the show, we gave him half a cake.

02:15:06.000 He said, Why am I getting half a cake?

02:15:08.000 Well, you just got divorced.

02:15:09.000 You lost the other half.

02:15:12.000 That's hilarious.

02:15:13.000 Well, if you can't joke around with people, that's no fun.

02:15:16.000 No.

02:15:17.000 That's not a good relationship.

02:15:18.000 Well, you better know who you're joking around with.

02:15:21.000 Yeah, but it's like you can't.

02:15:22.000 If you can't joke around with someone, what's the point?

02:15:24.000 That's what people do.

02:15:26.000 It's part of fun in life.

02:15:27.000 You should be able to take a joke, you should be able to give a joke, you should be able to have fun with a joke.

02:15:31.000 You just got to know when.

02:15:33.000 Sure.

02:15:34.000 I mean, friends know when.

02:15:35.000 Sure.

02:15:37.000 I mean, I talk to Howie all the time, all the time.

02:15:40.000 And his son Kyle just got signed with CBS for their Today show, which is great.

02:15:47.000 Great for him.

02:15:48.000 Howie did movies for a while, right?

02:15:48.000 And he's good.

02:15:50.000 Howie was voted the up and coming star.

02:15:54.000 And he had these three young kids.

02:15:55.000 And he says, I don't want to raise my kids in L.A. Where's the best place I can raise my kids?

02:16:00.000 And they found the school system Charlottesville, Virginia.

02:16:03.000 And he moved to Virginia and took his kid there and quit doing movies.

02:16:05.000 Good for him.

02:16:07.000 That's having your priorities together.

02:16:07.000 Yeah.

02:16:09.000 I remember reading something about him talking about it, like his experience with movies, like he didn't like it.

02:16:14.000 Well, he didn't like Hollywood.

02:16:15.000 He didn't like the whole thing.

02:16:20.000 He could have been.

02:16:21.000 Didn't someone hit on him, too?

02:16:23.000 Hit on him?

02:16:24.000 I think some guys hit on him.

02:16:26.000 Yeah.

02:16:26.000 A guy hit on him?

02:16:27.000 Is that true?

02:16:29.000 Find out if that's true.

02:16:30.000 I don't know if I'd find that out.

02:16:31.000 Yeah, maybe don't look that up.

02:16:33.000 Forget it.

02:16:33.000 Don't look that up.

02:16:36.000 But the point being Simon.

02:16:38.000 I mean, Jamie.

02:16:39.000 Jamie.

02:16:41.000 Simon, that's your new name, bro.

02:16:44.000 I don't think Jamie.

02:16:45.000 Don't look that up.

02:16:46.000 Yeah, don't look it up.

02:16:47.000 I think I might have made that up.

02:16:48.000 Or somebody might have told this to me.

02:16:49.000 It might not be true.

02:16:50.000 But the point is, he did a bunch of big movies.

02:16:53.000 Yes.

02:16:54.000 And he was on his way to being a big action star.

02:16:56.000 He was.

02:16:57.000 Action star.

02:16:58.000 Yeah.

02:16:58.000 For sure.

02:16:58.000 I mean, of course, giant guy.

02:17:00.000 Handsome.

02:17:00.000 Yeah.

02:17:01.000 Good looking guy.

02:17:02.000 Yeah.

02:17:02.000 Great body.

02:17:03.000 Perfect for an action star.

02:17:04.000 And then just.

02:17:04.000 Yeah.

02:17:05.000 I like it when a guy realizes, like, this is, you know, life is so good.

02:17:08.000 He didn't want to raise my kids in LA.

02:17:10.000 Also, it's just like, you don't want, you don't want.

02:17:12.000 It's what you think that life is, it's not.

02:17:15.000 Listen, I've done 16 hours a day.

02:17:18.000 I've done five movies and you've done, I don't know how many.

02:17:21.000 And look, I don't want to sit around all day long and go in and deliver one line.

02:17:26.000 Exactly.

02:17:27.000 And here's the other thing I'm not ever going to be a leading man.

02:17:33.000 I'm always going to be Terry Bradshaw.

02:17:35.000 And that just sucks.

02:17:35.000 Right, right.

02:17:38.000 Seriously.

02:17:39.000 You always want to be Joe Rogan?

02:17:41.000 No.

02:17:43.000 You would like to be given an opportunity to really act.

02:17:45.000 Well, if I actually wanted to act, yes.

02:17:47.000 Well, yeah, but.

02:17:49.000 But I mean, some people, they just don't like to do it.

02:17:52.000 And I think with Howie, it was probably one of those things where they probably offered him a bunch of money.

02:17:57.000 It looks good on paper.

02:17:58.000 And then you start actually doing it and you realize, like, you've got to be away for five months filming this thing.

02:18:03.000 He was away all year, one year, doing a firestorm.

02:18:09.000 And he was filming in Vancouver.

02:18:11.000 He was flying in on Saturday from Vancouver and leaving on a red eye to Vancouver and filming all week.

02:18:19.000 And I think he's three little kids.

02:18:23.000 Yeah, it breaks you down.

02:18:24.000 It's not good for you.

02:18:25.000 They don't like you.

02:18:26.000 It doesn't feel good.

02:18:27.000 And I applaud him for that.

02:18:29.000 And not only is he a great husband, great dad, he's a great grandfather.

02:18:35.000 I'm a terrible grandfather.

02:18:37.000 You got grandkids?

02:18:38.000 Why are you terrible?

02:18:38.000 No.

02:18:41.000 You know, I just, I'm gone all the time.

02:18:44.000 And it's kind of like getting that job.

02:18:48.000 I got to have a job.

02:18:48.000 Yeah.

02:18:49.000 I got to go with a suit on.

02:18:50.000 If you have to travel.

02:18:51.000 You were saying that you give corporate speeches.

02:18:53.000 Right.

02:18:54.000 What do you do?

02:18:54.000 Like, what are those about?

02:18:56.000 Speeches.

02:18:57.000 Like, what do you speak about?

02:18:58.000 Well, I'm talking to a bank Wednesday morning.

02:19:02.000 So I'm preparing a bank speech.

02:19:06.000 And then what do you say to, like, what do you say to a bank?

02:19:10.000 To a bunch of bankers.

02:19:13.000 I know what, I know.

02:19:14.000 Is it about leadership?

02:19:15.000 Like, no.

02:19:16.000 Yeah, some of it's about leadership.

02:19:18.000 It's about, it's basically all the things that I know, Joe, have to do with ambition, dreams, drive, goals, failure, overcoming failure, how to deal with failure, how to rise, how to deal with success, how to treat people.

02:19:37.000 So it's a little bit of motivational, a little bit of psychology, like you used earlier with me.

02:19:43.000 Once I use psychology with you.

02:19:45.000 You know when you did it.

02:19:47.000 You know.

02:19:48.000 Right?

02:19:49.000 Hey, Bernie.

02:19:50.000 He knows.

02:19:50.000 Bernie.

02:19:54.000 And so you have different ones for different kinds of corporations.

02:19:59.000 So it's kind of like a team building thing.

02:19:59.000 Yeah.

02:20:01.000 They get together and you can see what they want.

02:20:03.000 Interesting.

02:20:04.000 When did you start doing that?

02:20:06.000 I've been doing it 43 years.

02:20:09.000 Really?

02:20:10.000 Wow.

02:20:11.000 It's amazing.

02:20:11.000 I know.

02:20:12.000 And how did you get into that?

02:20:12.000 That's crazy.

02:20:14.000 I gave a speech in Destin, Florida for Frito-Lay.

02:20:21.000 And it was taped.

02:20:23.000 And they paid me $5,000.

02:20:25.000 And I was doing speeches for $1,200, $800, $50.

02:20:29.000 And they offered me $5,000.

02:20:33.000 Are you kidding me?

02:20:34.000 I go down there, and it's for Frito-Lay.

02:20:36.000 So I build this speech up and da-da-da-da-da.

02:20:39.000 And I go give this speech, and the speech is really good.

02:20:43.000 And they taped it, and they sent me a VHS copy.

02:20:47.000 And my my then wife put it on one day and thought, oh my God, this is really good and it's funny.

02:20:54.000 So she found out where the bureaus were, who booked speakers.

02:21:00.000 There were 10 really good ones.

02:21:02.000 And she sent this tape and a bio to 10 different speaking associations.

02:21:09.000 All right?

02:21:10.000 We got that through Fran Tarkin and his company in Atlanta, Georgia.

02:21:13.000 They're the ones that turned us on to it.

02:21:16.000 So I come in, she says, I sent this off.

02:21:19.000 I'm getting calls now for speeches.

02:21:22.000 I'm like, what?

02:21:24.000 She says, yeah, she says, we got, you want to do this, you want to do that.

02:21:27.000 And all of them were for $5,000.

02:21:29.000 $5,000?

02:21:30.000 Are you shitting me?

02:21:32.000 I'm getting $5,000.

02:21:33.000 $5,000.

02:21:34.000 I'm like, oh my God, $5,000?

02:21:38.000 Really?

02:21:39.000 I'm like, amazing.

02:21:42.000 So I started doing these speeches for all these different bureaus for $5,000.

02:21:46.000 So I go to Hawaii on vacation.

02:21:46.000 Wow.

02:21:50.000 And I'm in Hawaii, and a company called Washington Speakers Bureau, WSB, they book political speakers, and they had Joe Theisman and Jim Valvano, and maybe Lou Holtz, the three guys they had.

02:22:07.000 So they call it the rainy day file, and they got a big box where they get all the people sending them to them all the time.

02:22:14.000 Hey, Joe, we want to come on your show.

02:22:16.000 Okay, put it over there, put it over there, put it over there.

02:22:18.000 And eventually you go through it.

02:22:18.000 Oh, we ought to have them on, right?

02:22:20.000 That's kind of how it went.

02:22:21.000 So one day they're looking at these tapes and they're going, no, spitting.

02:22:26.000 Then they came across Terry Bradshaw.

02:22:28.000 Hey, hey, I hear this guy's pretty good.

02:22:33.000 Really, we'll put it on.

02:22:34.000 They put it on.

02:22:35.000 I went, we want to sign him.

02:22:37.000 So I'm in Hawaii.

02:22:39.000 I got a phone call in the morning.

02:22:41.000 Hello.

02:22:42.000 This is Bernie Swain with Washington Speakers Bureau.

02:22:45.000 I'm here with Harry Rhodes.

02:22:47.000 We just looked at your tape.

02:22:48.000 We think you've got great possibilities.

02:22:50.000 We'd love to represent you exclusively.

02:22:53.000 Da, Please call us back.

02:22:57.000 I thought, what?

02:22:59.000 So, you know, it's Hawaii.

02:23:01.000 It's what, 7 in the morning?

02:23:02.000 So it's what?

02:23:03.000 It's 1 o'clock their time.

02:23:05.000 So I call them.

02:23:07.000 And they said, look.

02:23:10.000 We think you've got great possibility, and we think we can book you and book you a lot.

02:23:17.000 And I said, Well, I'm being booked by 10 people right now.

02:23:20.000 Why wouldn't I want to go one, one person?

02:23:22.000 Well, we're going to guarantee you 50 speeches at $7,500 a speech.

02:23:29.000 Excuse me?

02:23:31.000 Did you say $7,500?

02:23:34.000 I'm like, Holy cow.

02:23:36.000 So they said, We'll fly you from Hawaii.

02:23:40.000 To Washington, D.C., and we'd like to sit down with you and go over a proposal.

02:23:44.000 So I did, they did, and I did.

02:23:46.000 We sat down, fell in love with these guys.

02:23:49.000 They were awesome.

02:23:50.000 Gave me a proposal, 50 speeches, 7,500.

02:23:54.000 Add that up.

02:23:55.000 That's a pretty good chunk of dough.

02:23:57.000 So I signed.

02:23:58.000 I'm with them exclusively now.

02:24:00.000 And they said, we'll have you at 10,000 in six months.

02:24:04.000 10,000?

02:24:06.000 You're going to book me for 10 grand?

02:24:07.000 Are you kidding me?

02:24:10.000 That's crazy.

02:24:11.000 Sure enough.

02:24:13.000 So that's how you got into speeches.

02:24:14.000 Yeah.

02:24:15.000 So when you do speeches, like say of like a tire company, whatever it is, do you write it out for that?

02:24:23.000 I never write it.

02:24:24.000 I do not write a word.

02:24:27.000 I cannot write.

02:24:29.000 I write here.

02:24:31.000 So how do you plan out a speech?

02:24:33.000 I write here.

02:24:34.000 You just sit around and think about what you're going to say.

02:24:37.000 Exactly.

02:24:38.000 And over time, what speakers do, because I asked Jay Luno this one time.

02:24:43.000 You're doing a hundred.

02:24:44.000 Stand-ups and he says well, i'll take a theme for this year and I do it.

02:24:48.000 I don't change anything under the name where i'm going.

02:24:51.000 And so i'm like oh, so I don't have to change all of this every time, and I learned that from Jay Leno takes the same thing and then put tire company in there and build it around that.

02:25:03.000 And you know what else I started doing?

02:25:06.000 I started reading a lot, psychology salesmanship leadership um, you know one of the guys I that came to hear me speak here in Austin McRaven, Admiral McRaven.

02:25:22.000 Have you had him on yet?

02:25:22.000 Oh, okay.

02:25:23.000 No.

02:25:24.000 Oh, my God.

02:25:25.000 The guy that gives the 10 points of success.

02:25:29.000 Yeah, I've seen him in Texas.

02:25:30.000 Oh, yeah.

02:25:31.000 Amazing.

02:25:33.000 Fat.

02:25:34.000 The Osama bin Laden.

02:25:37.000 That's his.

02:25:38.000 That's his raid.

02:25:40.000 The whole thing was him.

02:25:41.000 He designed that whole raid.

02:25:43.000 Amazing human being.

02:25:45.000 He's right here in your backyard.

02:25:46.000 You haven't had him on.

02:25:47.000 You ought to be ashamed of yourself, Joe.

02:25:49.000 There's only so many days in a week you could do shows, you know?

02:25:51.000 Can't have everybody on.

02:25:52.000 Okay, man.

02:25:53.000 Do you do a show every day?

02:25:55.000 Four days a week.

02:25:56.000 Okay, what's the day off?

02:25:57.000 Usually Friday, but it shifts.

02:25:59.000 Yeah.

02:26:00.000 It shifts depending on, you know, what I got going on.

02:26:03.000 But, you know, so I build a show according to what they're doing and through all my reading.

02:26:15.000 And I'm naturally, I think I'm gifted enough humor wise that I've incorporated a ton of humor and I mix the humor in.

02:26:24.000 And I'm.

02:26:25.000 And I incorporate the audience.

02:26:27.000 And so, did you start doing all this reading just to make your speeches better?

02:26:31.000 I wanted to get smarter.

02:26:32.000 Ah, that's funny.

02:26:33.000 I wanted to get smarter.

02:26:34.000 I wanted to be, yeah, I wanted to be a little bit up on things.

02:26:39.000 I took psychology and marketing and all that in college, but I thought, hey, if I'm going to make a career out of this, gather all the knowledge you can gather.

02:26:49.000 And so that's what I did.

02:26:50.000 That's very smart.

02:26:51.000 I started reading all these self-help books.

02:26:54.000 And you know what?

02:26:55.000 When you do read all that, you find out it's pretty basic.

02:26:59.000 There is a foundation, a common denominator that all of them have.

02:27:05.000 And I don't steal material, but I do still program my speeches.

02:27:13.000 I've gone on stage and forgot the name of the company.

02:27:17.000 I did that once.

02:27:19.000 I did that once.

02:27:22.000 I went on stage in Vegas for a huge 5,000 people.

02:27:27.000 And I went out there and I've got a style about me.

02:27:30.000 It's a freelance.

02:27:31.000 It's, hey, I work the crowd.

02:27:34.000 I get to know them.

02:27:34.000 I'm having a good time, feeling good.

02:27:37.000 I haven't even started my speech in the meeting plan to the guy that owned it.

02:27:42.000 Let's give it up.

02:27:43.000 Give it up.

02:27:44.000 Terry Bradshaw.

02:27:45.000 Thank you, Terry.

02:27:46.000 Thank you so much.

02:27:47.000 Terry Bradshaw.

02:27:48.000 They escort me off.

02:27:51.000 Ten minutes.

02:27:52.000 Ten minutes.

02:27:53.000 So there's three.

02:27:55.000 What happened?

02:27:56.000 Why did they escort you off?

02:27:59.000 He thought I didn't know what I was doing, I guess.

02:28:03.000 He obviously didn't look at my tapes.

02:28:06.000 But I was just.

02:28:08.000 Having fun with the crowd before I work my way.

02:28:12.000 Sometimes I'll go right into it.

02:28:15.000 Sometimes I won't.

02:28:16.000 Sometimes I'll, hey, I mess with them.

02:28:18.000 I'm just having fun.

02:28:20.000 Yeah.

02:28:21.000 He's out of there.

02:28:23.000 Wow.

02:28:25.000 What kind of company was that?

02:28:28.000 Someone that could afford to pay me and not have me give a speech.

02:28:32.000 Yeah, bad.

02:28:33.000 Well, some people are very impatient.

02:28:35.000 Bad.

02:28:36.000 It was bad.

02:28:36.000 I asked my wife in the car going to the airport, you know when you what's wrong?

02:28:40.000 And I said, what'd I do?

02:28:41.000 Something wrong.

02:28:41.000 She said, you did nothing wrong.

02:28:43.000 This guy just doesn't know your style.

02:28:46.000 So they just hired you based on name alone and didn't know what they were getting?

02:28:49.000 Excuse me.

02:28:50.000 I would imagine that's what I would think.

02:28:52.000 I would think name alone has a lot to do with all my.

02:28:55.000 Oh, 100%.

02:28:56.000 But that's what I was just going to say.

02:28:57.000 I would imagine.

02:28:57.000 And if you went for Super Bowls, you know pressure, you know up and down, you know how to deal with it.

02:29:02.000 You get in a huddle.

02:29:03.000 How do you manage a huddle?

02:29:05.000 How do you do this?

02:29:05.000 How do you call plays?

02:29:07.000 And I make fun of all these guys that have placards on their forearms.

02:29:11.000 Number four.

02:29:12.000 Number four.

02:29:14.000 Where I had to go, second and eight.

02:29:17.000 Okay, look, second and eight.

02:29:19.000 Let's go, let's go, and then, no, no, no, wait a minute, wait a minute.

02:29:24.000 No, no, I don't want to run that.

02:29:25.000 Let's go this and this.

02:29:27.000 I totally ran the huddle, the whole thing.

02:29:31.000 What do y'all say?

02:29:32.000 Can we do that?

02:29:32.000 No, we can't.

02:29:33.000 What do you want to do?

02:29:34.000 I ran the huddle.

02:29:37.000 I was smart enough as the chairman of the board in the huddle to say, I don't have all the answers.

02:29:49.000 I thought I did.

02:29:50.000 We're not doing very well here.

02:29:52.000 I want to try this play, but what do y'all think?

02:29:55.000 And I got input.

02:29:57.000 Oh, is there anything better than input?

02:29:59.000 Is there anything better than the people that are doing it?

02:30:02.000 As a sales team, you got a sales manager, and sales teams come back and say, no, this is not a good idea.

02:30:08.000 This isn't working.

02:30:09.000 They don't like this data.

02:30:11.000 And you change it.

02:30:12.000 Smart people make adjustments in the middle of chaos, competition.

02:30:19.000 And that's how I ran the.

02:30:22.000 The huddle.

02:30:23.000 The huddle.

02:30:24.000 And speaking, speaking is I know where I'm going when I walk on stage.

02:30:32.000 And once I get on stage, I can tell within five minutes I'm going to change my direction.

02:30:39.000 And I can't.

02:30:39.000 I've been doing it 40-something years.

02:30:41.000 I got, you know, eight hours of material, not to mention all the new material I'm getting every week.

02:30:47.000 So I can change it.

02:30:49.000 And I've got to tell you, you're a stand-up comedian.

02:30:53.000 Is there anything better?

02:30:55.000 Than getting on stage and deliver a performance, and they are just laughing to everything, just rolling, just rolling, just rolling.

02:31:04.000 And you walk off and they're screaming, Joe, Joe, Joe.

02:31:08.000 And you're like, God, man, I nailed it tonight.

02:31:10.000 And then you walk off.

02:31:11.000 Or going out and go, hey, did you hear this the other day?

02:31:15.000 What about that?

02:31:16.000 And everything falls flat.

02:31:18.000 And when you leave, you go off stage and you're, are you not miserable?

02:31:23.000 Miserable.

02:31:24.000 Miserable.

02:31:25.000 Sure.

02:31:25.000 You don't want to be miserable.

02:31:27.000 You did everything you could to make them.

02:31:27.000 No.

02:31:29.000 Enjoyable.

02:31:30.000 I'm entertaining them.

02:31:32.000 I want this to be a great experience for them.

02:31:35.000 And when you fail, it's devastating.

02:31:37.000 It's devastating.

02:31:39.000 Yeah.

02:31:41.000 So why do they pay you?

02:31:42.000 Well, you think they pay you to be entertaining.

02:31:45.000 It's a good hand.

02:31:47.000 Poor Jamie.

02:31:48.000 Oh, Jamie.

02:31:48.000 Poor.

02:31:49.000 Sorry, Jay.

02:31:50.000 I'm sorry, man.

02:31:51.000 Yeah, I mean, I would imagine that it's a completely different thing.

02:31:54.000 But having a guy like you go and talk to a corporation has got to be very fun for them.

02:32:01.000 You know, because you're a guy who's won the Super Bowl.

02:32:04.000 Yeah, my speeches are.

02:32:10.000 Do you know who Joel Holstein is?

02:32:12.000 I know the name.

02:32:14.000 He's the preacher.

02:32:16.000 Joel Olstein.

02:32:17.000 Oh, what did I say?

02:32:18.000 Like the cow?

02:32:18.000 Holstein?

02:32:19.000 Olstein, you're right.

02:32:20.000 Olstein, Olstein, right?

02:32:21.000 Olstein, right?

02:32:22.000 He doesn't go to church.

02:32:23.000 He doesn't know.

02:32:24.000 It's Olstein.

02:32:25.000 Yeah, that guy.

02:32:26.000 He's a.

02:32:26.000 Feel good.

02:32:27.000 He does the giant stadium preacher.

02:32:30.000 Yeah.

02:32:30.000 God, look at the mountain.

02:32:31.000 You see the mountain.

02:32:32.000 Look at my Rolls Royce.

02:32:33.000 Look at my Rolls Royce.

02:32:33.000 One of those good guys.

02:32:34.000 You know, it's a good guy.

02:32:35.000 And people need that in their life.

02:32:38.000 I like to say, there's another mountain out there.

02:32:41.000 But if you continue down the path you're going, and I want my hand spanked.

02:32:47.000 You know, I don't need it spanked.

02:32:49.000 I know it should be spanked, but I want him to spank.

02:32:51.000 It's fine with me.

02:32:53.000 Speaking, when I go out to speak, I'm a feel good guy.

02:33:01.000 You know, unless they say to me, Here's where we're struggling, and we need you to add this, this, and this.

02:33:08.000 Oh, so sometimes they'll give you a direction.

02:33:10.000 They always give you a direction.

02:33:12.000 Okay, so they have like a purpose for what you're doing.

02:33:13.000 You always know where you're going.

02:33:15.000 Yeah.

02:33:15.000 You always know what your audience is.

02:33:17.000 Yeah.

02:33:18.000 Well, it sounds like you really enjoy it, but that's a lot.

02:33:20.000 So is that what you're doing when you're doing 250 dates a year?

02:33:23.000 Do you have a lot of those?

02:33:24.000 Oh, I do, yeah, a lot.

02:33:26.000 Tuesday, Wednesday of this week, then I'll get off.

02:33:30.000 I do 30 a year, which is plenty.

02:33:32.000 That's a lot.

02:33:33.000 Yeah.

02:33:33.000 Yeah, that's a lot.

02:33:35.000 When you're getting 5 million in a speech, I mean, you've got to think about it.

02:33:38.000 What do you think, Buck?

02:33:43.000 Old Buck's over there.

02:33:44.000 He's like, I'll be so glad when this boy's off.

02:33:48.000 He likes you.

02:33:49.000 Terry, thank you very much for being here, man.

02:33:51.000 This was a lot of fun.

02:33:52.000 I really enjoyed it.

02:33:53.000 It was great to talk to you.

02:33:54.000 Me, too.

02:33:56.000 Thanks, Joe.

02:33:56.000 Thank you.

02:33:58.000 Been watching you.

02:33:59.000 You're smart.

02:33:59.000 Enjoy.

02:34:00.000 Thank you.

02:34:01.000 You're insightful.

02:34:03.000 You do your homework.

02:34:04.000 I helped you today, though.

02:34:06.000 You did.

02:34:06.000 You helped me a lot.

02:34:07.000 Yeah.

02:34:08.000 Doing what you do is not easy.

02:34:10.000 I found out about limousine cattle.

02:34:13.000 You taught me some things.

02:34:13.000 Yeah.

02:34:14.000 I know.

02:34:15.000 I know.

02:34:15.000 Yeah.

02:34:15.000 You know how to fix a perlapsed uterus?

02:34:17.000 What's that?

02:34:21.000 Show him, Jamie.

02:34:22.000 I'd rather not.

02:34:25.000 So tell everybody how they buy this whiskey.

02:34:27.000 Is it everywhere?

02:34:28.000 Is there a whiskey?

02:34:28.000 Can you get it?

02:34:29.000 We're in 11th state right now.

02:34:31.000 You can go to terrybradshawbourbon.com.

02:34:35.000 You'll find out where we are in Texas.

02:34:37.000 Terrybradshawbourbon.com.

02:34:39.000 Look at that.

02:34:39.000 There it is.

02:34:40.000 There it is.

02:34:41.000 That's not a good picture.

02:34:42.000 I should have had that.

02:34:43.000 Oh, look at the cigar, Joe.

02:34:44.000 That's a solid picture.

02:34:45.000 Yeah, cigar.

02:34:46.000 That's an old man.

02:34:47.000 You're 58?

02:34:48.000 Yeah, and look at that.

02:34:49.000 You got a serious whiskey sifter there.

02:34:52.000 What are those things called?

02:34:53.000 Snifter, those are good.

02:34:55.000 That's like if you're a serious taster, you know, it is the thing about now.

02:35:02.000 People think, Boy, he's making a kill on off that whiskey.

02:35:05.000 I'm not, I may make six thousand dollars this year, six, but we're building that.

02:35:12.000 We're building it.

02:35:13.000 Whiskey is bourbon is slow, man.

02:35:13.000 It's slow.

02:35:15.000 It has to age.

02:35:16.000 You go down, you go down that aisle, yeah, five thousand, and we've won all these awards.

02:35:23.000 All that we beat them all.

02:35:24.000 That's awesome.

02:35:25.000 Beat them all.

02:35:26.000 Congratulations.

02:35:27.000 Thank you.

02:35:27.000 I'm so proud of that.

02:35:28.000 And the thing about the juice is mine.

02:35:30.000 I created this juice.

02:35:31.000 It has to be something that you love doing.

02:35:33.000 Yeah, that's not something you can do.

02:35:35.000 You know what?

02:35:36.000 It could be any other product.

02:35:39.000 I think it's just the fact that I get to go out and sell it.

02:35:42.000 I like selling it.

02:35:43.000 Well, it's an aged product.

02:35:44.000 It's a different thing.

02:35:45.000 Like if you were selling vodka or tequila, something you could just make real quick.

02:35:49.000 No, this is.

02:35:50.000 It's a different thing.

02:35:51.000 Aged whiskey is a very different thing.

02:35:52.000 It took me a year and a half to get the blend right.

02:35:55.000 The blend, the juice.

02:35:56.000 It took me a year and a half before I agreed to put it in a bottle.

02:36:01.000 Then, when I put it in a bottle, I wanted this is old gun smoke, set it on the counter.

02:36:07.000 I wanted a gun smoke bottle, and this is the original label, and that's gunpowder, gunpowder gray.

02:36:16.000 And the Super Bowl stuff is put on there by the bottling company, which I didn't really, that wasn't part of it.

02:36:25.000 You never, Joe, you ever got to a point in your life when you go.

02:36:28.000 Can I not sell something that's really good without having to be me?

02:36:31.000 Right.

02:36:32.000 I mean, it would have been like that if it hadn't been you, Terry.

02:36:35.000 Right.

02:36:36.000 Can it not be just because it's good?

02:36:39.000 You certainly could do that.

02:36:40.000 Yeah.

02:36:41.000 My stud horses, I have the best stud horses in America.

02:36:44.000 You know, best.

02:36:46.000 And they're breeding world champions.

02:36:48.000 And I'm so proud of that.

02:36:49.000 And the business is good.

02:36:52.000 You know, but I don't have to sell them.

02:36:55.000 We have offspring that sell them.

02:36:57.000 But this is Bradshaw.

02:36:58.000 Whiskey.

02:36:58.000 This is this.

02:36:59.000 I wouldn't want my dad to see it.

02:37:01.000 But there it is.

02:37:04.000 There it is.

02:37:05.000 There it is.

02:37:06.000 But thank you.

02:37:06.000 All right, Terry.

02:37:07.000 Thank you so much.

02:37:07.000 Thank you.

02:37:08.000 I've been a huge fan for many years.

02:37:10.000 And me and me too.

02:37:11.000 And thanks.

02:37:12.000 We didn't get into politics, which I'm very thankful for.

02:37:14.000 I'm glad too.

02:37:15.000 I bet you are.

02:37:15.000 Yeah, me too.

02:37:16.000 I know I am.

02:37:17.000 Enough.

02:37:18.000 Enough of that in this world.

02:37:19.000 Thank you, Terry.

02:37:20.000 Thank you.

02:37:21.000 That was fun.

02:37:21.000 All right.

02:37:22.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - June 09, 2026

Joe Rogan Experience #2511 - Terry Bradshaw

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