The Joe Rogan Experience - June 17, 2026


Joe Rogan Experience #2515 - Chase Hughes


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In this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, the host talks to a man who claims to have had a DMT experience that took him to another level of consciousness. They talk about the benefits and drawbacks of DMT, and whether or not it can be used in everyday life.

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00:00:01.000 Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out!
00:00:04.000 The Joe Rogan Experience.
00:00:06.000 Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day!
00:00:16.000 What's happening?
00:00:17.000 How are you?
00:00:18.000 Good.
00:00:18.000 Been really good.
00:00:19.000 Just got into Austin last night.
00:00:20.000 I watched these videos of you describing this intravenous DMT experience.
00:00:28.000 And the first thing I said is, I need to talk to this guy about that.
00:00:31.000 Like, that seems like one of the most insane descriptions of anything that anybody's ever experienced that I've ever seen online.
00:00:40.000 Yeah.
00:00:41.000 So tell me about this experience.
00:00:43.000 So it's DMT, and this guy makes it.
00:00:49.000 And they put it into a pump, and it's like an anesthesia pump that you'd have in an operating room.
00:00:55.000 And essentially, they can adjust your milliliters per hour dose, like they would use for anesthesia.
00:01:05.000 And they launch you off, and you're laying.
00:01:09.000 The space is beautiful, they hold the space really well.
00:01:13.000 What do you mean by that?
00:01:14.000 They hold the space really well.
00:01:19.000 Place where you lay down in the middle of the room.
00:01:21.000 It's like on a really soft pillow thing and great music on, and it's very calm.
00:01:29.000 And these people are just unbelievably calm and good human beings to take you through the experience.
00:01:38.000 And the cool thing about this pump is that you can adjust your altitude.
00:01:43.000 So, like, you could be in the middle of this and say, I need to go up more, I want to come down.
00:01:47.000 If you need to take a pee break, they'll like pull you down, you kind of go onto the runway.
00:01:52.000 And then you go pee and you come back and you launch right back up as high as you want to go, as fast as you want to go.
00:01:59.000 So it's five and a half hours.
00:02:05.000 And I did one pee break, but it's DMT, like the highest you can feel on DMT, like the most you can see on DMT, but it's five and a half hours of that.
00:02:19.000 And the next time I go back, we're going to mix Alzheimer's drugs with this.
00:02:24.000 Why?
00:02:27.000 To see how much I can bring back, to see if it improves like the retrieval.
00:02:31.000 Like, cause you know, like when you're in the DMT space, you're like, I have access to all this stuff.
00:02:37.000 Like, oh my God, I wish I could bring this back.
00:02:39.000 I want to bring this back so bad.
00:02:41.000 And it seems like we're protected from bringing it back.
00:02:44.000 It does.
00:02:45.000 Like a dream.
00:02:45.000 It does.
00:02:46.000 Yeah.
00:02:47.000 It's, there's real similar comparisons to the dream state.
00:02:51.000 The dream state is very strange.
00:02:51.000 Yeah.
00:02:53.000 I've had like profound dreams.
00:02:56.000 Or really bizarre dreams.
00:02:58.000 And when I wake up, they're so crystal clear.
00:03:00.000 And I go to take a pee, I have a cup of coffee.
00:03:04.000 I can't remember them anymore.
00:03:06.000 I barely can grip them.
00:03:09.000 They just slide through your fingers.
00:03:11.000 It's like there is a protective layer there.
00:03:15.000 It seems like it has to be because if there was anything that you experienced in the regular conscious state that was that profound, you would remember it forever.
00:03:23.000 Just think of a great thing, just a UFC fight this weekend.
00:03:27.000 I remember everything.
00:03:28.000 Oh my God, it's so like drilled into my brain.
00:03:31.000 And that is like nothing compared to a DMT experience.
00:03:36.000 Yeah.
00:03:37.000 And it just seems like I've never met someone who's done DMT that would just call, oh, yeah, it's a psychedelic.
00:03:44.000 It's a hallucination.
00:03:45.000 I've never met anybody that's actually done it.
00:03:48.000 And then we'll just go back and say, I hallucinated something.
00:03:51.000 There's a few people that say that.
00:03:53.000 I've actually read this one piece by this guy.
00:03:57.000 I forget his discipline.
00:03:58.000 I forget what he was, but a serious academic.
00:04:00.000 And his, His position after I think he did like a hundred DMT trips, and his position was that this is all being concocted by your visual cortex and your brain and your imagination.
00:04:13.000 That was his position.
00:04:15.000 I mean, why wouldn't you go to Walmart on a DMT trip then?
00:04:18.000 I don't think that's what I just think, you know, because it's very disorienting and you really should sit still.
00:04:27.000 But I think that there's contrarians.
00:04:29.000 No, I mean, like in the DMT space, why don't you just see a Target or a 7 Eleven or something?
00:04:34.000 Right, right, right.
00:04:35.000 I see what you're saying.
00:04:36.000 Something that your imagination could concoct, like a dream.
00:04:39.000 Like in a dream, you might be a Target.
00:04:40.000 Yeah.
00:04:40.000 And you had on Andrew Gallimore.
00:04:42.000 Yes, I hear.
00:04:42.000 And he talked about this world making part of our brain.
00:04:45.000 Yes.
00:04:46.000 Man, that really hooked me in.
00:04:48.000 And during the six hour journey experience, whatever you want to call it, at the end of, I mean, it's DMT, like you're, like it's just reality's gone.
00:05:01.000 Like you, like everything, oh yeah, you see all this stuff that you think is real?
00:05:06.000 Goodbye.
00:05:06.000 It's like everything's gone.
00:05:08.000 And at the end of this, I, on camera, I asked if I was dead 39 times.
00:05:14.000 I wasn't concerned what the answer was.
00:05:18.000 I just was like, am I dead?
00:05:20.000 Um, and coming toward the end of this experience, I was bawling, I was crying, and it just felt like I had to wrap myself in some kind of ego in order to just return back here.
00:05:37.000 To come back, there's no way for me to come back and not have some little ego thing, and it made me so sad coming back that I just didn't want to come back at all.
00:05:50.000 You know what I'm talking about?
00:05:53.000 It's like Avatar Depression Times a Million.
00:05:54.000 Yeah, it really is.
00:05:56.000 For people who don't know what I'm talking about, when the movie Avatar came out, it was so wonderful.
00:06:03.000 These people seemed to live such a righteous, peaceful existence in the forest that people came back and they were depressed that they don't live in the Avatar world.
00:06:16.000 It was like a psychological condition that was happening with so many different therapists that people started calling it.
00:06:16.000 Yeah.
00:06:25.000 Avatar depression.
00:06:25.000 That's brilliant.
00:06:27.000 It's got a name.
00:06:30.000 Like in the 90s, there was the Truman Show syndrome.
00:06:32.000 Right, right, right, right. 0.99
00:06:34.000 But I mean, how badass is your fucking movie? 0.99
00:06:37.000 And it creates a psychological condition in people that wish that reality was like your movie. 0.99
00:06:43.000 I love that.
00:06:43.000 Yeah.
00:06:44.000 It did feel like that.
00:06:46.000 Times a million or whatever it is.
00:06:49.000 And one of the things that I didn't know happened was my wife was with me, Michelle.
00:06:49.000 Yeah.
00:06:56.000 And the night before, when we were at their house, they just said, You can pick a vial.
00:07:01.000 And I said, Let Michelle pick a vial.
00:07:02.000 And I was in the other room, and Michelle was with this guy who makes the DMT.
00:07:09.000 And he said, Would you like to pray over this DMT?
00:07:12.000 And Michelle did that.
00:07:14.000 And I didn't even know she prayed over it.
00:07:17.000 And the next day, and I'm not saying there's anything here, but when it started, the first thing that happened was like these alien beings or whatever kind of pinned me down on this table and ripped me open like.
00:07:28.000 From pelvis all the way up to my neck, like all the way open.
00:07:32.000 And I could hear my organs kind of moving around inside my body and they're doing something in me.
00:07:37.000 And the second thing was they pushed my head back up on the table and this big drill bit went up inside my nose, like all the way to the back of my head.
00:07:46.000 It didn't hurt.
00:07:47.000 There's no pain or anything.
00:07:48.000 And they were doing that for probably 45 minutes, a long time.
00:07:52.000 And it was freezing cold.
00:07:55.000 And then after this journey, I told Michelle about this.
00:07:59.000 She's like, that's what I asked them to do.
00:08:01.000 I asked them to fix your heart and your brain.
00:08:02.000 I have a heart thing going on and I have a brain disease, which is why I was doing this in the first place.
00:08:08.000 And that was the first thing that happened on the journey.
00:08:11.000 Happened on the journey.
00:08:13.000 I'm not saying there's causation.
00:08:14.000 Did you get looked at afterwards to see if they did anything?
00:08:18.000 I haven't because they have to do a PET scan and it's so much radiation.
00:08:24.000 It's like it's so much radiation I can't even hug or sleep with my wife or our two year old for like 48 hours.
00:08:33.000 It's a ton of radiation. 0.99
00:08:35.000 But fuck that. 0.99
00:08:36.000 What is the condition that you have? 1.00
00:08:38.000 In the brain, I have mesial temporal sclerosis.
00:08:41.000 Yeah, we talked about this the last time you were here.
00:08:43.000 Yeah.
00:08:43.000 And I had a seizure like the night before our last.
00:08:46.000 This is the thing that you said that Methylene Blue was really helping you with.
00:08:50.000 You know how many people have ripped that out of our show and like made commercials for their company and stuff out of it?
00:08:55.000 Oh, I'm used to that.
00:08:57.000 There's so many ads for me selling everything from coffee makers to hard on pills.
00:09:03.000 And if I don't take Methylene Blue for a couple of days, I'll go back into seizure territory pretty quickly.
00:09:08.000 Really?
00:09:08.000 Yeah.
00:09:10.000 But I will say, just to go back to this dream thing you were talking about.
00:09:14.000 The way that I like to get people to help understand this, like if you're in it, I'll walk you through this really quick.
00:09:21.000 Let's say you're in a dream right now, and I'm just here in your dream.
00:09:25.000 We're chilling out, hanging out.
00:09:28.000 And let's say you don't know it's a dream yet.
00:09:31.000 And I look over and I say, What is that UFO spaceship over there?
00:09:35.000 How far is that from your face right now?
00:09:38.000 And you look over at that flying saucer thing, you'd be like, It's eight feet or something like that.
00:09:44.000 But then, if you know it's a dream and I ask you, how far is it?
00:09:48.000 You're still going to say, oh, it's eight feet.
00:09:51.000 And then I ask, what is it made out of?
00:09:52.000 You're going to say, oh, it's aluminum or whatever that thing's made out of.
00:09:56.000 But there's no aluminum in your brain.
00:09:59.000 Right?
00:10:00.000 And then I ask again, what is it made out of?
00:10:03.000 And eventually, you'll get to a place where you say, it's made out of me, it's made out of consciousness.
00:10:09.000 Then I say, what is the distance made out of?
00:10:12.000 That entire eight feet of distance is also made out of your consciousness.
00:10:16.000 And then I say, well, why did you have to manufacture eyeballs in your dream to see out of?
00:10:23.000 And then what are the photons?
00:10:24.000 Like you're seeing colors and all this stuff in your dream.
00:10:26.000 There's no photons bouncing off of stuff in your dream.
00:10:29.000 The entire body is fabricated.
00:10:31.000 Your eyes are fabricated.
00:10:32.000 Like you're seeing all this stuff without your eyeballs at all.
00:10:35.000 But you made up eyeballs to see it all through.
00:10:38.000 And then the distance, like from you to that flying saucer, you say it's eight feet.
00:10:43.000 The distance is zero.
00:10:44.000 Like there's not eight feet inside of your brain.
00:10:47.000 So kind of walk people in to show that everything that you would do.
00:10:50.000 Like, not in a dream, like sitting here in the studio to prove that this pitcher of water is real, you could do identical, you could do everything in a dream that you would do in waking reality to prove that something is real.
00:11:04.000 And then you realize that the distance between you and that thing is A, made up of consciousness, and B, doesn't exist.
00:11:15.000 Whoa.
00:11:16.000 Does that make sense?
00:11:18.000 It does make sense.
00:11:19.000 It does make sense because we assume that because we have tools to measure.
00:11:24.000 Distance and sound and touch, and all those different senses that we possess, that this is what the world's made out of.
00:11:33.000 Yeah.
00:11:34.000 And it makes sense.
00:11:35.000 And there's dream logic, right?
00:11:36.000 So if you're all of a sudden riding on your rhinoceros to the pizza factory, you're like, oh, yeah, it's normal.
00:11:43.000 Right.
00:11:45.000 So if you look at a galaxy, it matches the shape of DNA.
00:11:50.000 If you look at the toroidal shape of gravitational stuff, it matches the shape of a red blood cell.
00:11:55.000 You look at an eyeball close up, it looks like a Like a nebula.
00:12:00.000 And if we just look at as above, so below, like any of that is even remotely true, then dreams might tell us more than we think about what's going on here in this, what we call reality.
00:12:12.000 Have you ever seen the comparison between the universe itself and human neural tissue?
00:12:19.000 No.
00:12:20.000 It's bananas.
00:12:21.000 Is it like an image?
00:12:22.000 Yeah, it's like an image of the known universe with an image of, is it a brain cell or a human neural cell?
00:12:31.000 I forget which one it was.
00:12:32.000 But when you look at the two of them together, you're like, okay, is this whole thing a giant fractal inside of a fractal?
00:12:40.000 If that's what infinity is, we'd like to think that this is what it looks like.
00:12:44.000 That's a brain cell, and that's the universe.
00:12:47.000 Good Lord. 1.00
00:12:48.000 What the fuck? 1.00
00:12:50.000 Oh my gosh. 1.00
00:12:51.000 It's the same thing.
00:12:53.000 So at least it looks like the same thing, right?
00:12:58.000 When we think of infinity, we think of what we are here.
00:13:03.000 On Earth, that there is no distance that you could travel where you find the end, that the infinite universe just keeps going on.
00:13:12.000 But it's way crazier than that.
00:13:13.000 It might be that the entire infinite universe that doesn't have an end is actually a part of a cell that's in another being, that's in an infinite universe that has no end, that's actually just a part of a cell, that's in a part of an infinite, and it goes on and on and on.
00:13:32.000 And we have some evidence that.
00:13:35.000 That might be the case just in the weirdness of these supermassive black holes that are in the center of every galaxy.
00:13:42.000 So, these supermassive black holes we had Michelle Fowler on the podcast the other day, fascinating woman.
00:13:48.000 She's an astrophysicist and just discussing all the strangeness of the universe.
00:13:55.000 The more that we experience it, the more, the deeper they look, the crazier it is. 0.99
00:14:00.000 It's like the further the James Webb telescope goes out, the more shit that they find. 0.99
00:14:03.000 They're like, what is going, what is that? 0.99
00:14:05.000 How is that there?
00:14:06.000 This is not supposed to be there.
00:14:08.000 They think that.
00:14:09.000 There's a real possibility that inside every black hole is a completely new universe.
00:14:15.000 Yeah.
00:14:15.000 That it's some sort of a passageway.
00:14:17.000 So, if there's hundreds of billions of galaxies just in the known universe, and every one of those galaxies has a supermassive black hole inside of it, in the center of it, you go through that and you are in hundreds of billions of new galaxies, all with black holes. 0.92
00:14:35.000 And then you go into those fucking universes and you find creatures with brains and you get to their brain and their brain looks like a universe. 0.99
00:14:43.000 And if you get Closer and closer and closer, you might see hundreds of billions of galaxies, each with black holes inside their fucking brain cells. 1.00
00:14:52.000 Yes. 1.00
00:14:54.000 That was well said.
00:14:55.000 That needs to be a short.
00:14:56.000 But it's infinite.
00:14:59.000 So there's no end to that process.
00:15:01.000 It's not like there's us and then we are a part of a brain cell of a creature.
00:15:05.000 No, we're a part of a brain cell that's a part of a creature that's a part of a universe that's a part of a brain cell that's a creature that's a part of a universe.
00:15:13.000 And that's what real infinity is.
00:15:15.000 There is no end.
00:15:16.000 Yeah, I agree with that. 1.00
00:15:19.000 We need less certainty about this shit. 0.99
00:15:21.000 There's so many people who are like, oh, I have this figured out. 0.99
00:15:24.000 What you said about coming back from the DMT trip about how your ego tries to kind of reclaim reality for you, I think that is a genuine problem with human beings today in which they cling to ideologies, to political parties, to ethics, morals, religion, whatever it is that they connect themselves to inseparably.
00:15:46.000 I think part of that is.
00:15:49.000 Just being afraid of the vastness of what this experience really is.
00:15:54.000 Really is.
00:15:55.000 And the way to shield yourself from it is to pretend to be sure.
00:15:59.000 That's it.
00:16:00.000 Yeah.
00:16:00.000 It just gives me a little blanket of, I've got this figured out.
00:16:03.000 I know what's happening.
00:16:04.000 Yeah.
00:16:05.000 You're the security blanket.
00:16:07.000 Yeah.
00:16:09.000 And it's, we need less certainty in the world.
00:16:13.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:16:13.000 We need more people to say, as far as we know before they say some shit. 0.99
00:16:17.000 That sounds science y. 0.99
00:16:17.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:16:18.000 As far as we know.
00:16:19.000 Why can't we just put that phrase in front of more things?
00:16:24.000 If you're doing DMT, it just.
00:16:27.000 Or, if anyone does DMT, maybe it's a hallucination.
00:16:31.000 But Terrence McInnes described it so well when he said death by astonishment.
00:16:36.000 And there's no words.
00:16:39.000 At the moment you try to label anything that you see in the DMT space, it's like you're destroying it, it's an act of destruction almost.
00:16:46.000 There's no words for it.
00:16:47.000 They don't exist because words are sounds that we make with our face to describe known reality.
00:16:54.000 And there's no words for that experience.
00:16:56.000 And we invented language for trading chickens and spices and stuff.
00:16:56.000 Yeah.
00:17:00.000 Yeah.
00:17:01.000 That's what language is for.
00:17:03.000 Yeah.
00:17:04.000 And if you just look at like one little sciencey thing, like that's weird, like quantum entanglement, and then somebody says, we can't explain how this is like faster than light or anything.
00:17:15.000 Well, we can explain it if we go to a dream and then say the distance doesn't exist.
00:17:20.000 Distance isn't real.
00:17:20.000 Right.
00:17:21.000 Right.
00:17:23.000 So I think that's, I want to know about the UFC fight at the White House.
00:17:27.000 To get away from super woo woo for a second, it was insane.
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00:18:35.000 Was the temperature make everything different?
00:18:38.000 It was perfect.
00:18:39.000 No, the temperature was perfect.
00:18:40.000 I was very concerned about that.
00:18:42.000 I was really concerned that these guys were going to have to fight in the heat, but that was not an issue at all.
00:18:46.000 It seemed like it was in the 70s.
00:18:48.000 And it was the storm, like miraculously, just passed us.
00:18:54.000 Like there were all these weather warnings.
00:18:56.000 At one point in time, the fight was supposed to start at 8 p.m., and at one point in time, one of the weather experts wanted us to start at 10 30.
00:19:07.000 Yeah, because there were 10 30 at night, which would have been a disaster.
00:19:10.000 10 30 at night would have been a disaster because it's a six hour show.
00:19:14.000 Yeah.
00:19:15.000 You know, or close to it, whatever it is.
00:19:17.000 I'd say 9, 10, 11, 12, 1.
00:19:20.000 I guess it was five hours.
00:19:22.000 But somehow or another, the storm just like almost like went around the White House.
00:19:29.000 I mean, I don't know.
00:19:30.000 Mysteriously.
00:19:31.000 I don't know what that is.
00:19:32.000 I don't know if that's science or if that's consciousness.
00:19:35.000 I don't know what steered the storm or if it's just random luck.
00:19:39.000 It could have been all of the above.
00:19:40.000 But all my fears of the weather getting in the way of the fights were null.
00:19:47.000 It didn't mean anything.
00:19:49.000 And then there was this long sort of ceremonial thing where they had jets fly over and they played music and all this different stuff.
00:19:58.000 So by the time we got to the actual fights, dark out, perfect.
00:20:03.000 The weather was perfect.
00:20:04.000 So that wasn't an issue at all.
00:20:06.000 And it was just the magnitude of the event.
00:20:10.000 I know people saw it on television and looked insane.
00:20:13.000 But the magnitude of the event being there live.
00:20:17.000 So there's the event that's taking place.
00:20:20.000 On the lawn of the White House.
00:20:22.000 And that has 4,000 plus people.
00:20:24.000 The main event.
00:20:25.000 Yes.
00:20:26.000 Yeah.
00:20:26.000 So the actual UFC.
00:20:28.000 So there's a bunch of military guys that are standing up in the back.
00:20:33.000 There's like 1,000 of those.
00:20:34.000 And there's 3,000 plus that are seated.
00:20:37.000 All these people are seated.
00:20:38.000 But then behind that, not that far, like 100 yards, 200 yards, whatever it is, I guess it's more than that, maybe 300 yards, there's the ellipse.
00:20:50.000 Has 85,000 people who got in for free.
00:20:56.000 Yeah, it's like in the whole White House ecosphere, whatever it is.
00:21:00.000 Wow.
00:21:00.000 Yeah, so this area, they have giant screens set up and they have huge speakers and sound.
00:21:08.000 And so 85,000 fans are watching the fights live on the screens and they can see the lights of the fucking Claw Dome in the distance and they can see the White House in the distance where the fights are taking place, but they're watching it on.
00:21:24.000 Massive screens with commentary. 0.93
00:21:26.000 And it was insane.
00:21:27.000 And you could hear them roar.
00:21:30.000 So you hear the crowd from here, and then you hear 85,000 people.
00:21:36.000 You could hear it in the distance.
00:21:38.000 It was insane.
00:21:41.000 It was insane.
00:21:42.000 Just the magnitude of it was insane.
00:21:44.000 Unlike anything else you've ever done.
00:21:46.000 Beyond.
00:21:47.000 I mean, I'm a hyperbolic individual, and I'm always like, this is the greatest, this is awesome.
00:21:52.000 Like, that was.
00:21:54.000 The wildest experience that I've ever had in my 20 whatever years of calling combat sports.
00:22:02.000 There's nothing even close.
00:22:04.000 Nothing even close.
00:22:05.000 It was the greatest night of fights of all time.
00:22:08.000 And it was the only night in the history of the sport where every single fight ended by knockout.
00:22:13.000 Did they all?
00:22:14.000 Every single one.
00:22:16.000 Seven fights.
00:22:17.000 Seven fights.
00:22:18.000 Every one of them ended by knockout.
00:22:22.000 Wow.
00:22:22.000 Which never happened.
00:22:23.000 Unprecedented.
00:22:23.000 Which is unprecedented.
00:22:25.000 It was like.
00:22:25.000 Wow.
00:22:26.000 The perfect experience for anybody that had never watched the UFC before to see it that way at the White House like that.
00:22:34.000 I mean, it was nuts.
00:22:36.000 A huge experience for the fans that got to be there in the ellipse.
00:22:40.000 And I mean, I saw videos of these guys.
00:22:42.000 They were having so much fun.
00:22:44.000 And it's like everyone's in there for free.
00:22:46.000 You don't have to pay for the tickets.
00:22:47.000 There's 85,000 people out there.
00:22:49.000 They're all screaming and cheering, and the drinks are flowing.
00:22:52.000 And it was wild.
00:22:53.000 I mean, just absolutely wild.
00:22:56.000 What a 250th.
00:22:58.000 Yeah.
00:22:59.000 Wow.
00:23:00.000 And it's a sport that was.
00:23:01.000 Like banned just what 15, 20 years ago or something?
00:23:05.000 20 plus years ago.
00:23:06.000 So when the UFC, so when I first started working for the UFC was in 1997.
00:23:12.000 And back then you had to watch it on direct TV.
00:23:14.000 I had direct TV just because that was the only way to watch the UFC.
00:23:18.000 That's why I didn't have cable.
00:23:20.000 And then Zufa purchased it.
00:23:23.000 So the Fertita brothers and Dana White, they started running it in 2001.
00:23:28.000 And that's when I came aboard again.
00:23:30.000 So I had quit in 98.
00:23:31.000 I worked from 97 to 98, and then I quit, and then they brought me back in 2001.
00:23:37.000 And when that was going on, it was banned from cable and they slowly started working it back.
00:23:44.000 They got it on Fox Sports Net, which was the first time I ever commentated for the UFC.
00:23:49.000 That was UFC 37 and a half, a very special show that they put on for Fox Sports Net, tried to introduce people to the sport.
00:23:56.000 And so that was the first time it was on like cable again.
00:23:59.000 And then they started getting pay per view buys and it started growing and gathering steam.
00:24:04.000 But even back then, like, It was like you were doing porn or something, or snuff films, or you were doing something that was damaging for your career.
00:24:15.000 You know, and people would like look at you like, why are you working for a cage fighting organization?
00:24:19.000 Why would you do that?
00:24:21.000 Cut to 25 years later, it's on the lawn of the White House, and it is one of the most watched sporting events in the history of the world.
00:24:31.000 Yeah.
00:24:32.000 I don't know what the total overall views are as of now, but I know that it was like, Well, over, I think it was 150 million just by Monday.
00:24:44.000 Unbelievable.
00:24:45.000 Just by Monday.
00:24:45.000 So that's like the night of, and then people that watched the replay that weren't there when the fight took place because they heard about it.
00:24:52.000 But now, between then and now, now we're dealing with Tuesday.
00:24:57.000 It's probably another 50 or 60 million people have watched it.
00:25:00.000 I bought Paramount Plus just to watch it on YouTube.
00:25:04.000 I'm sure.
00:25:05.000 I don't know, 13 bucks or something that it was.
00:25:08.000 But man, what a hell of an event!
00:25:11.000 Yeah, it was an amazing event.
00:25:13.000 I wish I would have stayed up longer, but I watched the first few fights.
00:25:16.000 It was fantastic.
00:25:17.000 The main event was the greatest fight of all time.
00:25:19.000 It literally was the greatest fight of all time because the guy that won it, Justin Gaetje, was in many books 6 1 underdog, which is crazy odds for a guy that was an interim lightweight champion, fought the best of the best, one of the best to ever do it, BMF champion.
00:25:38.000 I mean, just super durable, real dangerous guy.
00:25:41.000 And that's how good Ilya Taporia is.
00:25:44.000 That's how good Ilya Taporia is.
00:25:45.000 Ilya Taporia, in many people's eyes, is the most skilled of the new generation, and the new generation is the most skilled of all time.
00:25:55.000 Ilya was like the top of the mountain, and most people thought that he was going to be too much, and he was too much for a while.
00:26:02.000 He almost took Justin out in the second round, and then Justin rallied.
00:26:07.000 Ilya, it looked like he got really damaged in either the first or the second round, and he was having real trouble seeing out of one of his eyes.
00:26:15.000 And then Justin started landing bombs in the third round.
00:26:18.000 Ilya had slowed down quite a bit.
00:26:20.000 It looked like he had really tried to finish Justin in the second.
00:26:24.000 And sometimes when you try to finish a guy, you just hit the gas way too much and you can't recover in between rounds.
00:26:30.000 And Justin recovered.
00:26:32.000 And Justin started battering Ilya in the third and fourth.
00:26:36.000 And by the end of the fourth round, Ilya quit on his stool.
00:26:40.000 He couldn't see out of either eye.
00:26:42.000 He had gotten kneed into the body real bad when he was on the ground.
00:26:47.000 Justin, like, literally.
00:26:48.000 Justin had him down with his two hands and just smashed a knee into his rib cage.
00:26:53.000 And you could see him go like that.
00:26:54.000 And that was the end of the round.
00:26:56.000 And then he had to retire on his stool.
00:26:58.000 You think he broke a rib?
00:27:01.000 That probably could have happened.
00:27:03.000 But I think maybe more significantly it was the eye damage.
00:27:07.000 Both of his eyes were swollen shut. 0.99
00:27:09.000 His nose was fucked up. 1.00
00:27:10.000 He had taken so many punches to the face. 0.99
00:27:13.000 And it looked like perhaps orbital damage, like maybe he had a fractured orbital.
00:27:17.000 Wow.
00:27:17.000 Because his whole thing had just swollen up on both sides.
00:27:20.000 He was unrecognizable.
00:27:22.000 And, you know, the guy hung in there as long as he could.
00:27:24.000 But when you can't see, you can't see.
00:27:27.000 And when you're that battered, sometimes it's smart to stop.
00:27:32.000 And he's a very smart guy.
00:27:33.000 I think you realize, like, there's, I can't defend myself right now.
00:27:37.000 I can't see.
00:27:38.000 This guy's smashing me.
00:27:40.000 Let's call it a day.
00:27:41.000 This is what it is.
00:27:41.000 Let's preserve my body and my brain and rebuild and come back another day.
00:27:46.000 But for Justin, it was like one of the most epic things I've ever seen in my life.
00:27:50.000 For him to win like that when everybody had counted him out, he was saying it was going to be his last fight.
00:27:54.000 It was like a retirement fight.
00:27:56.000 37 years old, been in the game forever, you know, fought a who's who of all time greats in the sport, and this was going to be his last fight.
00:28:05.000 And he's like, what if I can win the title at the White House?
00:28:09.000 What an ending to a career.
00:28:10.000 And that's what everybody was saying.
00:28:11.000 Like, yeah, but you're not going to because you're fighting Elia Taporia.
00:28:15.000 He was like, all right, we'll see.
00:28:18.000 And he pulled it off.
00:28:18.000 Wow.
00:28:20.000 It was insane.
00:28:20.000 He pulled it off.
00:28:21.000 It was epic.
00:28:22.000 Absolutely epic.
00:28:26.000 What do you think the mindset is between somebody who, you know, you walk in as an underdog and wind up winning, even though your skills may not be more proficient than the other guy?
00:28:35.000 What do you think the mental difference is between them?
00:28:37.000 Like somebody who loses or wins?
00:28:39.000 Well, there's a lot of factors.
00:28:40.000 One of the factors is that Justin has always been incredibly durable.
00:28:44.000 I mean, it might just be a genetic thing.
00:28:46.000 He even joked around about it like science needs to take a look at this hard ass skin I have.
00:28:50.000 He very rarely gets cut at all. 0.98
00:28:53.000 And he's like, I got these hard ass bones and hard ass skin.
00:28:57.000 He was joking around like science needs to study this. 0.72
00:29:00.000 And it's true, though.
00:29:01.000 I mean, he really is insanely durable.
00:29:03.000 He's been rocked and hurt before, and he's been stopped in fights before.
00:29:06.000 He was knocked out in the Last second of the last round by Max Holloway in the BMF title, which was an insane fight.
00:29:15.000 But the guy is just, he has zero quit in him.
00:29:19.000 It doesn't exist.
00:29:20.000 Like, if you're looking for quit, you go into a room, it's empty.
00:29:23.000 The quit room has no one in it, there's nothing in there.
00:29:25.000 He's not going to quit.
00:29:26.000 He can lose because he's a human, but he's not going to quit.
00:29:29.000 And he's also been into the deep trenches before the deep trenches of these five round, chaotic, insane battles.
00:29:39.000 And oddly, he thrives in those kind of battles.
00:29:43.000 He's described as the most violent man in the most violent sport.
00:29:50.000 We've all talked about him like that for years, since the moment he burst onto the scene when he fought Michael Johnson, in the UFC at least.
00:29:58.000 He's an extraordinary dude, just a very extraordinary dude.
00:30:01.000 And not the most technically skilled.
00:30:03.000 Like Ilya looked technically better than him, but it didn't matter.
00:30:08.000 Justin found a way to land shots, found a way to, like, Persevere from the early rounds where he was in real trouble and just shocked the world.
00:30:18.000 It was amazing.
00:30:19.000 One of the coolest things I've ever seen in my life.
00:30:21.000 That's cool.
00:30:22.000 I wish I was there. 0.98
00:30:22.000 It was fucking amazing. 0.98
00:30:23.000 Oh my God. 0.98
00:30:24.000 I talked a bunch of people into going that didn't want to.
00:30:27.000 Like Shane Gillis was thinking about not going.
00:30:28.000 I'm like, bro, you got to go.
00:30:30.000 It's going to be epic.
00:30:30.000 It's going to be a once ever thing.
00:30:32.000 Not a once in a lifetime, once in anybody's lifetime.
00:30:35.000 It's never happened before.
00:30:36.000 It's probably never going to happen again.
00:30:38.000 Probably not.
00:30:39.000 No.
00:30:40.000 But yeah, that's something you have to see and experience.
00:30:42.000 Yeah.
00:30:43.000 And so many people are trying to make it a partisan thing.
00:30:45.000 Like, they're mad at people for being there.
00:30:47.000 Like, oh, you support Trump. 1.00
00:30:48.000 Like, it's a fucking fight at the White House. 0.99
00:30:51.000 Doesn't mean you endorse foreign policy. 1.00
00:30:54.000 Like, shut the fuck up. 0.99
00:30:56.000 Just please. 0.99
00:30:57.000 Just please stop.
00:30:58.000 And again, it's this thing, the ego thing, where people are just, they just want so badly.
00:31:04.000 And on both sides, for sure.
00:31:06.000 You know, the right celebrates this as a win for masculinity and patriotism and all these different things.
00:31:11.000 Like, okay, settle down.
00:31:13.000 Everybody settle down.
00:31:14.000 We should all be together.
00:31:16.000 And, I mean,.
00:31:17.000 One of the things that I wanted to do when we went to the White House to try to push through psychedelics for therapy for veterans and people, you know, first responders, people struggling with PTSD, is you need to take these steps to give people a path to change their mind.
00:31:39.000 I think that's the title of Michael Pollan's book, and it's a great way to describe it.
00:31:43.000 Change your mind.
00:31:44.000 Change your whole perspective.
00:31:47.000 And there's no better way to change your whole perspective than a complete.
00:31:50.000 Dissolving of your ego momentarily.
00:31:52.000 Just, yeah, at least for a while, just lock it all away, push it out, and then you get a chance to see what it actually is doing and the effect that it has.
00:32:02.000 Yeah.
00:32:02.000 When you let it back into your life.
00:32:04.000 How much of these clothes do you want to put back on?
00:32:04.000 Yeah.
00:32:06.000 Right.
00:32:07.000 Right.
00:32:08.000 I described it as like Control Alt Delete for your brain. 0.98
00:32:12.000 And then when your brain reboots, it has one folder, and that folder is just labeled My Old Bullshit. 0.98
00:32:17.000 Yeah. 0.97
00:32:18.000 And you have a decision to make.
00:32:20.000 You go back into My Old Bullshit, and most people do at least a little. 0.53
00:32:24.000 I do a little. 0.52
00:32:25.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:32:25.000 But for sure, you recognize that it's your old bullshit instead of thinking you are who you thought you are. 1.00
00:32:32.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:32:33.000 And it's a lot of stuff that wasn't, didn't really belong to you.
00:32:36.000 Like, it's like we act like decorator crabs all throughout our lives where we're just kind of grabbing these little things.
00:32:43.000 Yeah.
00:32:43.000 And you realize that.
00:32:44.000 And I think that the, we're just talking about this politics thing.
00:32:49.000 I think separation is the number one greatest deception of all time.
00:32:54.000 The biggest problem with, the biggest problem that we have and the biggest deception that we have.
00:32:59.000 It's like, We are separate.
00:33:01.000 And the one thing that you see, and you do it some of the, and I mean this therapeutically.
00:33:05.000 I don't mean like you're taking mushrooms and going to a concert. 0.97
00:33:11.000 When you do this, like therapeutic psychedelics, the first big realization you have is like, oh shit, this is all me. 0.85
00:33:19.000 Like we're all kind of connected. 0.89
00:33:21.000 We might be one thing, but there's something here that's connecting all of us.
00:33:25.000 Yeah.
00:33:26.000 Whatever that is, whether you want to call it consciousness or our souls are connected or something.
00:33:31.000 Yeah.
00:33:32.000 There's something where we're connected that we're kind of denying for some strange reason.
00:33:37.000 And I think that that's one of the reasons I think you maybe would agree that we're in a loneliness pandemic right now.
00:33:46.000 Like we have more rampant loneliness around the world than we've ever had before. 0.98
00:33:52.000 And if you look at how this has evolved, shit, I didn't know it was coffee. 0.99
00:33:58.000 Thanks, man. 0.99
00:33:59.000 Gotcha.
00:34:01.000 So if you look.
00:34:02.000 Cheers, sir.
00:34:03.000 Thank you, man.
00:34:06.000 If you look at this loneliness, and people are, you could stand in a room full of people and still feel lonely for so many people.
00:34:14.000 The majority of the world right now is in this loneliness pandemic.
00:34:20.000 So, what's really going on?
00:34:21.000 And this is my opinion.
00:34:22.000 Feel free to toss it.
00:34:24.000 But we're in a place that's becoming more and more performative on a daily basis, just fake, artificial.
00:34:32.000 Let me say what people want to hear.
00:34:33.000 Let me act how people want to, how I want to be perceived.
00:34:37.000 Sure.
00:34:38.000 And, Which means that if I'm even a little bit performative, no matter who it is, my best friends, they put their hand on my back and say, Chase, you're a great guy, you're a good person.
00:34:52.000 But in the back of my mind, I know that I'm performing.
00:34:55.000 I know for a fact that probably not even my spouse has ever seen me.
00:34:59.000 Right.
00:35:00.000 They can't like me.
00:35:01.000 They can't love me because that's not me.
00:35:04.000 Right.
00:35:06.000 And I think this hyper performance world of, I don't mean performance, I mean like, Let me act out this thing.
00:35:13.000 I'm going to act a certain way.
00:35:16.000 Because if you look at our ancestors, I had to worry about, like you and I, we're maybe eight, nine years apart. 0.97
00:35:22.000 But when we were in elementary school or middle school, if we did some stupid shit, we had to worry about 20 people making fun of us. 0.98
00:35:30.000 And now we got to worry about 20 million. 0.99
00:35:32.000 And that is an existential difference between those things.
00:35:37.000 So we get better at hiding shame and pretending like we don't have it.
00:35:43.000 And then now going back to separation, now this is what I call the disease of specialness. 0.99
00:35:50.000 Of, I am special, which means I'm the only one here pretending and everybody else has got their shit figured out. 0.96
00:35:56.000 And then that isolates you even further and not realizing that everyone has this. 1.00
00:36:02.000 Everyone has this little crap going on. 0.98
00:36:05.000 And the fear that people feel of, if I just be real, then I'm going to get made fun of, I'm going to get rejected, I'm going to be kicked out of the tribe. 0.99
00:36:14.000 It's not real.
00:36:16.000 It's not real, but it can be real depending upon your circumstances.
00:36:19.000 So if you are in a very enclosed ideological tribe, And there's no tolerance for any deviation from whatever the narrative is.
00:36:32.000 Yeah.
00:36:33.000 This is a real problem with social media.
00:36:35.000 This is a real problem that it wasn't like that.
00:36:40.000 I mean, I know I'm like one of those old people that's like back in my day, but when I was young, you were allowed to have different opinions.
00:36:49.000 It was normal.
00:36:50.000 I had friends that were conservative and I would make fun of them and they would make fun of me, and it was normal.
00:36:56.000 Like you kept those friends because no one was telling you to get rid of those friends.
00:37:01.000 There was no pressure to be a part of a group. 0.99
00:37:05.000 There was no silences, violence bullshit. 0.93
00:37:07.000 There was a bunch of people that thought differently and you talked about stuff. 0.97
00:37:12.000 And we weren't as informed.
00:37:13.000 That's a fact.
00:37:14.000 We didn't know as much about how the world works.
00:37:17.000 That's a fact.
00:37:18.000 But now that we do, one of the things that we should all be acutely aware of with us spending so much time interacting with each other online is that a lot of the people that you're interacting with are not real.
00:37:31.000 And not a small number.
00:37:33.000 If you are on X, it, you know, look, there was an FBI analyst that he, before Elon Bob.
00:37:40.000 They're not real.
00:37:41.000 They're bots.
00:37:42.000 Like actual not human.
00:37:44.000 AI bots.
00:37:45.000 Okay.
00:37:46.000 AI bots is a big percentage, and then there's actual humans who work for organizations that push narratives.
00:37:53.000 You can hire an organization to push a certain narrative, you can hire them to support you, or you can hire them to attack your enemies.
00:38:03.000 You can hire companies that will artificially create a movement of people that agree that this person's a bad person, that this project's a bad project, that this is a good idea, that he's a good person, that this is a good politician, whatever it is.
00:38:20.000 So you're not dealing with genuine thought. 0.99
00:38:23.000 You're dealing with bullshit. 0.99
00:38:25.000 And here's where it gets really weird. 1.00
00:38:27.000 I think it's natural.
00:38:29.000 And I think everything is nature.
00:38:32.000 And I think this idea that this artificial communication that we've Developed through social media is what's really fucking everybody up.
00:38:39.000 I don't think that's the case.
00:38:41.000 I think this is a natural progression of nature. 1.00
00:38:44.000 The idea that our stupid fucking creativity and intuition and technological ingenuity can bypass nature, I think is horseshit. 1.00
00:38:52.000 It is nature. 1.00
00:38:52.000 It is nature. 1.00
00:38:54.000 And I think nature is creating this convergence.
00:38:59.000 It's creating this very bizarre convergence of humans and artificial intelligence through.
00:39:08.000 A bunch of ways that are unproductive and a bunch of ways that are productive, but all of it like gathering together in a device that's like almost impossible to resist.
00:39:18.000 If there was anything else that you use six hours a day or eight hours a day, if you're a good person, if you're good with it, like a lot of kids are on seven, eight, nine hours a day, like if there's anything else like that, you would think that person's got a horrible addiction.
00:39:31.000 But for us, we've accepted it as a normal part of society.
00:39:35.000 And that, whatever that interaction with it that we have, that deep connection we have.
00:39:42.000 Is only going to get deeper.
00:39:43.000 And it's ultimately going to lead to some sort of hive mind.
00:39:48.000 And it'll probably not be a hive human mind only.
00:39:54.000 I think it will be a human AI hive mind.
00:39:59.000 And I think one of the things that's happening to us is there's this weird movement to.
00:40:09.000 This is a weird movement to discredit.
00:40:12.000 Traditional femininity and traditional masculinity.
00:40:16.000 And there's this bizarre over celebration of outliers, of weird gender people, of people that are confused with their gender.
00:40:25.000 And I think that's because if you play that out, this is a new thing.
00:40:30.000 Again, I'm an old man, but when I was a young guy, there were cross dressers, there were guys that got off on wearing women's clothes. 0.79
00:40:38.000 There was always stuff like that.
00:40:39.000 There's always been people with gender dysphoria, but there was never like this.
00:40:43.000 And this is also coming at a time where microplastics are disrupting our endocrine systems.
00:40:49.000 Big time.
00:40:50.000 So testosterone levels are dropping.
00:40:50.000 Big time.
00:40:53.000 We're like, oh my God, it's a crisis.
00:40:54.000 What do we do about it?
00:40:56.000 It's natural.
00:40:58.000 Our use of plastic is probably natural.
00:41:00.000 It's probably all somehow or another connected to take us out of our territorial primate bodies and move us into some new stage of existence.
00:41:11.000 Like some post biological.
00:41:13.000 Exactly.
00:41:13.000 Yeah.
00:41:14.000 Exactly.
00:41:15.000 I think it's inevitable, and I'm not fighting it.
00:41:18.000 Does Elon agree with that?
00:41:20.000 Like we're moving toward that direction?
00:41:21.000 Well, he most certainly thinks that we are moving into a direction where we converge. 0.99
00:41:27.000 And I mean, he said about this is what I mean, the dude's literally cutting holes in people's heads and shoving fucking circuits in there and doing a lot of wild shit with it. 0.98
00:41:36.000 I mean, people are using their eyes like aim bots. 0.97
00:41:40.000 And a paralyzed gentleman that we have had on the podcast was the first Neuralink patient.
00:41:44.000 I watched that, yeah.
00:41:46.000 He said it's like a cheat code.
00:41:47.000 Like, because where he looks, that's where the cursor goes and he just shoots people.
00:41:51.000 Pow. 0.98
00:41:52.000 You know, like he's shooting people with his mind. 0.60
00:41:53.000 Like Fortnite on a video game or something.
00:41:56.000 Playing video games with his mind, and he's like excellent at it.
00:41:59.000 Well, you've got to think well, eventually you'll be able to move your body that way.
00:42:02.000 And then eventually you'll have all sorts of other tools that didn't exist before.
00:42:07.000 And one of the things that Elon has famously said is you're going to be able to talk without words.
00:42:13.000 That's the hive mind.
00:42:14.000 We're moving towards that. 0.99
00:42:16.000 And this gets us into all this weird UAP shit. 0.99
00:42:19.000 Like, what are these aliens? 0.99
00:42:21.000 What are these experiences that people are having?
00:42:23.000 Like, is this all a mass hallucination?
00:42:26.000 Yeah.
00:42:26.000 Is it us from the future?
00:42:28.000 Is it us from the past?
00:42:29.000 Is it another species that's far more advanced than us that's come down here to monitor us and shepherd us through our very difficult time?
00:42:38.000 Whatever it is, they seem to be what we're going to be if we keep going in this direction.
00:42:43.000 Our brains are far larger than monkeys.
00:42:45.000 Our bodies are far weaker, pound for pound, than any of the other primates.
00:42:49.000 So, what do they look like? 1.00
00:42:50.000 They look like these fucking spindly things with no muscles and giant heads. 0.99
00:42:54.000 And they communicate telepathically, universally. 0.99
00:42:57.000 Like everyone from all over the world, every.
00:42:59.000 Every planet or every country that's experienced these creatures, they all say the same thing.
00:43:04.000 They all say they communicate with them telepathically, which that's where we're going.
00:43:08.000 Which is exactly what you experience on DMT.
00:43:10.000 Right.
00:43:10.000 And like you can get a test drive of what that's like.
00:43:16.000 Do you know that the original scientists or I guess whether anthropologists or what kind of people were studying ayahuasca when they first went down to the Amazon, they wanted to call harmine telepathy.
00:43:29.000 They didn't know that it had already because of the rules of scientific nomenclature, it had already been named.
00:43:36.000 So they didn't know.
00:43:37.000 So, this substance that these people had created, one of the aspects of it, they wanted to talk to it as telepathy, they wanted to refer to it that way.
00:43:48.000 So, that was what they were going to call it scientifically.
00:43:50.000 Wow.
00:43:50.000 Because they had experienced these telepathic moments while on it.
00:43:55.000 But because it had already been named, they weren't allowed to rename it, so they just stuck with Harmene.
00:44:00.000 But Harmene had a real chance of being called telepathy.
00:44:02.000 That's beautiful.
00:44:03.000 Wild.
00:44:04.000 Yeah.
00:44:04.000 Yeah.
00:44:05.000 And it just seems like consciousness is coming to the forefront of every debate right now.
00:44:13.000 Yeah.
00:44:14.000 The telepathy tapes shot out of a cannon.
00:44:18.000 Like nobody's ever heard of that stuff.
00:44:20.000 And I think you had the director or something on the show.
00:44:24.000 And it just seems like the level of certainty that some people have about consciousness is adorable.
00:44:24.000 Yes.
00:44:30.000 Yeah.
00:44:31.000 Adorable to me.
00:44:33.000 It's like we're these little hairless monkeys.
00:44:36.000 And we're like, every generation is like, oh, yeah, we didn't know 100 years ago, but now we know.
00:44:42.000 We know now.
00:44:43.000 Right. 0.97
00:44:44.000 It's just ridiculous. 0.94
00:44:46.000 But that's the ego, right? 0.96
00:44:46.000 Yeah. 0.96
00:44:49.000 That's the certainty.
00:44:50.000 We need that certainty.
00:44:50.000 Yeah.
00:44:51.000 And I think we're at a place where curiosity, maybe except for politics, isn't really dangerous anymore.
00:45:00.000 It's like people are scared to be publicly curious or to be public question something.
00:45:08.000 Like, why is this here?
00:45:10.000 Why is that there?
00:45:11.000 Do you know who Ignaz Simmelweis was?
00:45:13.000 He was a doctor back in the day.
00:45:13.000 No.
00:45:17.000 No idea what year it was, but it was very, very early days.
00:45:20.000 He was the guy who said, Hey, maybe in between these operating room patients, what if we wash this blood off of our hands before I go do this next operation?
00:45:29.000 And he got laughed out of the room and then eventually thrown into an insane asylum where he died for questioning this thing.
00:45:39.000 And it seems like so much of what's going on with like, Psychedelics research, even though, like, document after document is showing it's the most effective thing for PTSD and anxiety and depression and addiction and all this other stuff.
00:45:55.000 And I'm not a champion researcher in any of this stuff, but it seems like kind of coming out, people are getting the same treatment as this guy did when they're coming out, even though, like, it's been documented so well and it's still a schedule one drug.
00:46:12.000 Well, I think now that's changing.
00:46:15.000 And I think there's an.
00:46:17.000 I think one of the things that's changing it is the acceptance of it by the right.
00:46:22.000 And one of the.
00:46:23.000 Some of them, at least. 1.00
00:46:24.000 The old boomers, they don't want to let go. 1.00
00:46:26.000 But the young guys, like especially special forces guys, SEALs, Rangers, those kind of guys, they come back. 1.00
00:46:32.000 So many of their buddies have had experiences and then recognize when one of their friends is struggling and take them to have these experiences.
00:46:42.000 And that word's getting out.
00:46:44.000 Sean Ryan's responsible for a lot of that because he's talked.
00:46:47.000 Really openly about it.
00:46:48.000 And obviously, he has a huge platform.
00:46:50.000 But Marcus Luttrell, you know, him talking about it.
00:46:54.000 Talking about it. 1.00
00:46:54.000 And then Rick Perry, the former governor of Texas, Republican governor of Texas who hated marijuana, hated psychedelics, thought it was all just a bunch of hippie bullshit. 1.00
00:47:03.000 Well, he had brain atrophy, natural age related brain atrophy. 0.99
00:47:07.000 And the doctor said, Oh, it's just pretty normal, you know, standard, you're fine.
00:47:12.000 Goes and does this Ibogaine session, comes back.
00:47:15.000 Rick did it himself.
00:47:16.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:47:17.000 A couple.
00:47:18.000 He's done a few.
00:47:19.000 Goes and does this Ibogaine session, comes back.
00:47:22.000 The doctor says, You felt like it was 25% approval.
00:47:26.000 Improvement rather in your brain atrophy.
00:47:29.000 So then six months later, he goes back again for another scan.
00:47:32.000 His brain atrophy is gone.
00:47:34.000 It's gone.
00:47:35.000 He says he feels different.
00:47:37.000 He thinks different.
00:47:38.000 He feels better.
00:47:39.000 Like his mind works better.
00:47:40.000 So it's not just an experience, Ibogaine in particular.
00:47:44.000 It seems to be neuroregenerative in a profound way. 0.99
00:47:48.000 That if this was a drug that you could patent, the pharmaceutical drug companies would be all over this shit. 0.99
00:47:55.000 Yeah. 0.98
00:47:56.000 And it's proving to be one of the Most effective drugs ever tested.
00:48:00.000 If you're looking at like efficacy versus like a sample size, it's one of the most effective ever tested.
00:48:07.000 Andy Stumpf and I just did a show about it, talking about this stuff, and he's brought a lot of awareness to this.
00:48:15.000 And if I think if we could get a little bit of awareness to it, I think we could cure a lot of this stuff.
00:48:21.000 But I think the number one thing is is there a way that we can help to get this faster to people?
00:48:28.000 They're working on it.
00:48:30.000 Brian Hubbard and Rick Perry, I mean, Rick Perry's said openly that this is my life's mission now.
00:48:35.000 Really?
00:48:35.000 Yeah.
00:48:36.000 I mean, former governor, Republican governor of Texas.
00:48:39.000 Yeah.
00:48:39.000 His life's mission is to promote psychedelics.
00:48:42.000 I'm so glad.
00:48:43.000 Oh, I'm so glad.
00:48:44.000 And this is another Ibogaine is the best one to start out with because Ibogaine has zero recreational use.
00:48:51.000 It's zero.
00:48:53.000 It's not fun.
00:48:55.000 Nobody likes it.
00:48:56.000 It's not a good time. 1.00
00:48:57.000 You throw up, you shit yourself. 0.99
00:48:59.000 You freak out for 24 hours, but when you come back, you're a different person. 1.00
00:49:03.000 And if you're willing to do that, if you're willing to do that, you can change.
00:49:06.000 You could do a lot of fixing.
00:49:10.000 And maybe even more importantly, be aware of what these little traps, these little deeply carved grooves that your consciousness seems to comfortably slip into over and over again, whether it's alcoholism or gambling or whatever it is, it seems to just shut those down in a very profound way that.
00:49:31.000 You can't get anywhere else.
00:49:33.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:49:33.000 And it's just, I think it zooms you out to where you're like, oh shit, I thought all that was important. 0.99
00:49:39.000 Like you're talking about zooming out on these galaxies, within galaxies and black holes and stuff. 0.73
00:49:45.000 It gives you that perspective of like, whoa, I thought I was really special.
00:49:49.000 I thought I was super important.
00:49:51.000 Yeah.
00:49:51.000 Yeah.
00:49:53.000 I mean, that is one of the things that most psychedelics do they remove that idea completely.
00:49:58.000 They go, you've got to get rid of this.
00:50:02.000 This is tripping you up. 0.98
00:50:03.000 You're carrying this fucking weight around everywhere and it's really stopping your progress. 1.00
00:50:06.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:50:06.000 And it's kind of like you're in a video game and then somebody comes back and be like, hey, man, here's the way that, here's the shit you need to actually worry about. 0.99
00:50:17.000 You don't need to do all this other stuff. 0.92
00:50:19.000 Right, right, right.
00:50:20.000 Yeah.
00:50:20.000 Like a little helper guy in the video game.
00:50:22.000 Yeah.
00:50:22.000 Guys, got to come with me.
00:50:24.000 This is the wrong room.
00:50:25.000 They're coming.
00:50:25.000 Yeah.
00:50:27.000 We got to get out of this room.
00:50:29.000 Yeah.
00:50:29.000 Don't do that quest.
00:50:30.000 That's what it is.
00:50:32.000 And I mean, I'm a hypnosis guy.
00:50:35.000 I've studied all the brainwashing, interrogation kind of stuff.
00:50:41.000 This is the fastest way, I think, and I've studied every possible way to change human behavior that probably has ever been researched.
00:50:50.000 Been researched.
00:50:51.000 And this is, bar none, the fastest.
00:50:54.000 And I think one of the reasons that it helps people so much, and I don't want to, this is going to turn into a two hour psychedelics discussion, but it's your show.
00:51:02.000 I don't care.
00:51:03.000 Okay.
00:51:05.000 I think it's because perspective shifting is what happens.
00:51:08.000 Like if you're looking at life and you have this little GoPro as your consciousness and you're looking at this level, it just snatches that thing up and zooms it out and puts it in another location where you're like, oh my.
00:51:21.000 God, I had no idea it was like this.
00:51:24.000 Right.
00:51:25.000 And it seems to be that perspective, just the shift in perspective, seems to be the number one thing that psychedelics produce therapeutically.
00:51:34.000 And that's the thing that like cognitive behavioral therapy is trying to get done over the course of like 10 or 12 years or however long it takes.
00:51:44.000 But it just seems like it does it so fast in a profound way.
00:51:50.000 And the stuff is non addictive.
00:51:52.000 Non toxic, it's not a street drug.
00:51:55.000 You're not going to see people out there on the street selling DMT capsules.
00:52:00.000 And DMT, I would say, similar to Ibogaine, it's not recreational.
00:52:04.000 I think it is.
00:52:06.000 You think DMT is recreational?
00:52:07.000 Yeah.
00:52:08.000 I think there's a lot of people that recreationally do it.
00:52:10.000 I think that would be your thought.
00:52:13.000 Oh, just do this and have fun.
00:52:16.000 And then once you do it, it's no longer recreational.
00:52:20.000 It's too profound to be just purely recreational.
00:52:23.000 Yeah.
00:52:24.000 You've heard of people getting banned from it?
00:52:26.000 Yes, I have.
00:52:27.000 Jamie and I were just talking about this.
00:52:29.000 Yeah.
00:52:30.000 I knew a guy who was a tattoo artist who got banned.
00:52:33.000 And you can keep taking DMT.
00:52:35.000 Like, you can go take 10 hits on a DMT vape pen or something, and you're not going anywhere.
00:52:41.000 Isn't that nuts?
00:52:42.000 It's insane.
00:52:43.000 It's like they just decide, no, no, no.
00:52:46.000 You're doing this for the wrong reasons.
00:52:48.000 Yeah.
00:52:50.000 I listened to one guy describe it, and he's like, it's basically like you're knocking on the door of a nightclub, and like the little thing opens up.
00:52:57.000 It's like, no, you're not coming in.
00:52:59.000 You got to think, like, what are they doing wrong?
00:53:02.000 Yeah, I think maybe going in with ego seems to be one of the things I see that's in common, and people just treating it like a little recreational thing.
00:53:10.000 The ego thing is a problem even within psychedelics because there's sort of a carve out that happens, which I always refer to as spiritual narcissism.
00:53:20.000 There's a bunch of people that do it that somehow or another want to be a guru or a leader and to show you that they're somehow or another better.
00:53:29.000 Because they have had these experiences, they know more and they pretend they know more.
00:53:34.000 They pretend they know more and then they get a whole bunch of people that are very suggestible.
00:53:38.000 And those people sort of listen to them.
00:53:40.000 And then that's how you start a cult.
00:53:41.000 And there's something to that.
00:53:45.000 There's a specific type of narcissism that occurs from regular psychedelic use when people want to lead groups of people.
00:53:53.000 And I think if you go into a journey or two with no ego, do you know what you learn?
00:53:53.000 Yeah.
00:53:59.000 Less.
00:54:00.000 Like you're less certain every time.
00:54:03.000 Oh, yeah.
00:54:03.000 About the world.
00:54:04.000 From the moment you get in there, you're like, oh, how is this real?
00:54:08.000 How is this available 15 seconds away from normal reality?
00:54:12.000 Yes.
00:54:13.000 Yeah.
00:54:15.000 And I definitely think that we're moving forward.
00:54:20.000 If we move forward with psychedelics, our species is going to move forward.
00:54:24.000 Yeah, I agree.
00:54:24.000 Yeah.
00:54:25.000 Yeah, I agree.
00:54:26.000 And I think all the time, what would have happened if that.
00:54:31.000 Sweeping psychedelics acts, the Controlled Substances Act of 1970, hadn't been enacted.
00:54:37.000 If this stuff had been available to people for the last 56 years, what would that be like?
00:54:44.000 Yeah, what would the 94 Ford Taurus actually look like?
00:54:48.000 It would be dope.
00:54:50.000 It would look like a 69 Mustang.
00:54:53.000 Yeah.
00:54:54.000 Because those are the people that were doing drugs.
00:54:56.000 Exactly. 0.99
00:54:57.000 I mean, there's no other explanation in my mind why cars started looking like shit. 0.99
00:55:03.000 And music. 0.99
00:55:04.000 Yeah.
00:55:05.000 Well, we still had some good music.
00:55:06.000 We had some good music.
00:55:07.000 Like Depeche Mode.
00:55:08.000 Because there's a bunch of people that still did drugs.
00:55:10.000 But there was a giant change between 1950 and 1960 with automobiles, with music, with everything.
00:55:17.000 And I think a large part of that, if you're really being honest, a large part of that is psychedelics.
00:55:23.000 Absolutely.
00:55:24.000 Yeah.
00:55:24.000 I mean, you look, look, have you ever gone into a huge mosque and looked up at the ceiling?
00:55:28.000 Oh, it's incredible. 0.53
00:55:30.000 It looks like exactly like what you see on all this stuff.
00:55:34.000 Yeah.
00:55:34.000 I'll go no further on that topic, but just all the ancient artwork.
00:55:40.000 It's so psychedelic and beautiful.
00:55:43.000 It's like they got written out of history somehow.
00:55:46.000 And I think there's a difference between drugs and medicine.
00:55:51.000 Can we take a pee break?
00:55:52.000 Sure, sure.
00:55:53.000 Go ahead.
00:55:53.000 Take a pee break.
00:55:54.000 I'm good, but.
00:55:54.000 I'll hold.
00:55:56.000 I think it's a coffee.
00:55:57.000 Yeah.
00:55:58.000 We'll be right back.
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00:56:53.000 Pull it up, Jamie.
00:56:55.000 So we're looking at Jamie pulled up a bunch of photos of inside of mosques. 0.71
00:56:59.000 And that in particular, that is absolutely a DMT experience. 0.54
00:57:05.000 So, well, here's the question.
00:57:07.000 Like, I feel like I've been to that location.
00:57:09.000 Right.
00:57:09.000 How about this location?
00:57:10.000 I mean, that looks super DMT.
00:57:13.000 I've spent time there. 0.78
00:57:14.000 Not in that mosque, but in that dimension.
00:57:17.000 What is that one, Jamie, to the upper left? 0.93
00:57:19.000 You just scroll up left, upper left corner.
00:57:23.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:57:24.000 What the fuck is that? 0.99
00:57:26.000 Is that 3D? 1.00
00:57:27.000 Oh, you know what that is, dude?
00:57:29.000 I think that's Alex Gray's place.
00:57:32.000 Is it?
00:57:32.000 It says it's in Iran.
00:57:34.000 Oh, okay.
00:57:35.000 Oh, my God.
00:57:35.000 Well, you know what Alex Gray's doing?
00:57:37.000 Do you know Alex Gray, the visionary artist?
00:57:39.000 Yeah.
00:57:39.000 So his Chapel of Sacred Mirrors, he has a real church that they built based on his artwork.
00:57:47.000 Wow.
00:57:47.000 It's incredible.
00:57:48.000 Non denominational.
00:57:49.000 Yeah, it's just like a Rothko Chapel.
00:57:52.000 You know, he's one of those guys, you know what I was talking about with spiritual narcissism running a group?
00:57:58.000 He's the opposite of that.
00:57:59.000 Yeah.
00:57:59.000 Like, he's pure.
00:58:01.000 And his place, like, This is his artwork, but this is his place.
00:58:05.000 And if you look at the outside of it, that's the outside of the place.
00:58:08.000 That is so cool.
00:58:09.000 So the outside of the place is basically like 3D printed artwork of his that they've constructed into a building.
00:58:17.000 I don't even know how he did it.
00:58:18.000 It must have cost a fuckload of money.
00:58:19.000 A bunch of people donated.
00:58:21.000 But the inside of his, I think that is, so he used to have a place in New York City that was like a gallery that was the Chapel of Sacred Mirrors.
00:58:31.000 So where's that?
00:58:32.000 His daughter does a lot of painting mirrors.
00:58:34.000 So that is it.
00:58:35.000 That's on the Hudson.
00:58:36.000 Yeah, in the Hudson Valley.
00:58:37.000 Yeah.
00:58:38.000 I mean, he's an incredible, incredible artist, and his ability to capture that experience.
00:58:45.000 Like that one, if you go back, oh, actually, scroll down to the lower left right there, the Egyptian looking one, lower left, right there.
00:58:52.000 Bam.
00:58:53.000 I've seen that, dude.
00:58:55.000 I've 100% seen that.
00:58:56.000 I've seen that too, but go back to the other one that we were just looking at.
00:59:00.000 No, that's not the same.
00:59:02.000 That's the one I've seen.
00:59:03.000 I've literally seen that.
00:59:05.000 I've seen that, and they move and change and morph.
00:59:08.000 Yeah.
00:59:09.000 He's just able to nail it.
00:59:11.000 I don't know how he does that.
00:59:14.000 He's incredible.
00:59:16.000 One, he's a good artist, but two, being able to bring that back with coherence to where you can kind of show someone what it's like.
00:59:24.000 I remember seeing that face, and I was like, in the DMT space, I was like, is that me?
00:59:30.000 And right when I said that, the mouth moved exactly like my mouth, and I was like, that is me.
00:59:35.000 Well, you're it, and it's you, and you're everyone.
00:59:38.000 You're everyone, and it's everyone.
00:59:38.000 Yeah.
00:59:40.000 Yeah. 0.53
00:59:42.000 The weird thing with the mosques, if you go back to some of those images, please, of the mosques, the first one that you pulled up, the ceiling. 0.97
00:59:50.000 What were they doing? 0.97
00:59:51.000 Not that one.
00:59:53.000 The original one that you pulled up.
00:59:55.000 That one, yeah.
00:59:56.000 Like, that's very, very DMT.
00:59:58.000 So, like, what were they doing that they saw this?
01:00:01.000 And is that, was that a part of their religion at one point in time?
01:00:06.000 And has that been forgotten?
01:00:08.000 Like, what is it?
01:00:10.000 Like, why did that exist?
01:00:12.000 Go back to the first one, please.
01:00:14.000 It had to.
01:00:15.000 That one.
01:00:15.000 Those colors seem a little sus.
01:00:18.000 Oh, really?
01:00:19.000 You think it's AI?
01:00:19.000 Yeah.
01:00:21.000 I've just seen so much AI stuff in the last year.
01:00:23.000 Right.
01:00:24.000 Could be.
01:00:24.000 But the rest of them.
01:00:26.000 Well, go to that website.
01:00:28.000 I mean, the photo just looks a little burst up. 0.92
01:00:30.000 Go to that website where it says 50 mesmerizing mosques. 0.94
01:00:34.000 Yeah, if it says where it is, then I'd totally. 0.88
01:00:36.000 There it is.
01:00:37.000 It says where it is.
01:00:38.000 That's in Iran. 1.00
01:00:39.000 We probably blew that up already. 1.00
01:00:43.000 God, I hope not.
01:00:44.000 I hope not, too. 0.92
01:00:46.000 I mean, didn't Israel blow up a bunch of ancient Christian places in. 0.99
01:00:51.000 Lebanon? 0.99
01:00:53.000 I believe they did.
01:00:54.000 I don't know.
01:00:55.000 This is the same place.
01:00:56.000 So that's whatever that place is.
01:00:59.000 Yeah.
01:00:59.000 Is that the same place?
01:01:00.000 That is a very psychedelic place.
01:01:02.000 Look at that one.
01:01:02.000 Okay.
01:01:03.000 That's nuts.
01:01:04.000 So what were they doing?
01:01:06.000 Is that 3D?
01:01:07.000 Yeah, it's like a 3D photo.
01:01:08.000 So it's manipulated in a weird way.
01:01:11.000 So that's like a fish eye.
01:01:11.000 Okay.
01:01:13.000 Right.
01:01:13.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:01:14.000 But either way, just the designs themselves are the actual design.
01:01:18.000 So what were they doing that they wanted that to be represented?
01:01:22.000 And is that missing?
01:01:24.000 Because there's a great book called The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross.
01:01:28.000 Have you ever read that?
01:01:29.000 The John Marco Allegro book?
01:01:30.000 Yeah.
01:01:31.000 So, John Marco Allegro, who was an ordained minister, but he was agnostic and he was a guy that studied theology, and his conclusion after a year, I mean, even being an ordained minister, his conclusion was that, like, it's probably not any one religion doesn't have it right.
01:01:46.000 Yeah.
01:01:46.000 And so he was one of the people that was brought on to decipher the Dead Sea Scrolls.
01:01:51.000 He deciphered it for 14 years, he works on it, and he writes this book called The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross.
01:01:57.000 Where he believes that the entire story of Christianity is connected to the consumption of psychedelic mushrooms and fertility cults.
01:02:05.000 Yeah.
01:02:07.000 Have you seen, like, Jamie?
01:02:09.000 Am I allowed to ask Jamie to pull something?
01:02:11.000 Yeah.
01:02:11.000 Sure.
01:02:12.000 Like, one of the original paintings of Jesus was him with a bunch of mushrooms.
01:02:16.000 Right.
01:02:18.000 Yeah.
01:02:18.000 Well, the Adam and Eve, the fresco in France.
01:02:20.000 So, that Adam and Eve fresco that's painted on this, God, I want to say it's at least 1,000 years old.
01:02:27.000 It's painted on this wall in France.
01:02:30.000 Is Adam and Eve and the tree of life, and the tree of life is mushrooms.
01:02:34.000 Yeah.
01:02:35.000 Yeah.
01:02:37.000 It's the tree of knowledge, the fruit of knowledge.
01:02:40.000 Right.
01:02:41.000 Right.
01:02:41.000 It's not the tree of life, it's the fruit of knowledge.
01:02:43.000 But this story of it, like that, like what is the actual reference to why in the Bible, I don't want to paraphrase it, as to why God told them not to eat from the fruit of that tree?
01:03:00.000 Put that into perplexity.
01:03:01.000 What did God say to Adam?
01:03:04.000 By the way, everybody blaming Eve?
01:03:07.000 Adam was the only one who talked to God.
01:03:10.000 We don't even know if Adam told Eve.
01:03:13.000 He might have forgot to tell her and then blamed the whole human race suffering forever.
01:03:19.000 I didn't know that.
01:03:19.000 Yeah.
01:03:20.000 I read that over and over again.
01:03:22.000 I'm like, where does it say that Adam told Eve?
01:03:24.000 It doesn't anywhere.
01:03:26.000 God told Adam, eat from any tree in the garden except for the tree of knowledge of good and evil, and that if he ate from it, he would surely die.
01:03:34.000 You are free to eat from any tree in the garden, but you must not eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
01:03:40.000 For when you eat from it, you will certainly die.
01:03:43.000 Okay.
01:03:44.000 And what does that mean?
01:03:46.000 Right.
01:03:47.000 You will die what? 0.98
01:03:48.000 Ego death? 0.99
01:03:49.000 Because if that's what it is.
01:03:51.000 Yeah.
01:03:52.000 And then there's a weird thing is that the whole connection between the Amanita muscaria and the psychedelic book, or rather the sacred mushroom in the cross book, is that the Amanita muscaria is a red mushroom that looks like an apple.
01:04:09.000 And in fact, the term, like, there's like confusion as to whether or not the term apple is actually meaning a red thing, and that it might not actually be an apple.
01:04:22.000 But it might actually be the original version of it, might have been the Amanita.
01:04:26.000 And then you have to think how many thousands of years has this been around?
01:04:32.000 How many different people have translated it?
01:04:34.000 How many different people have passed on the story?
01:04:36.000 Like, what was the source?
01:04:37.000 What was the original story?
01:04:39.000 And why delete it?
01:04:40.000 Right.
01:04:41.000 How does this get deleted so pervasively?
01:04:45.000 Oh, yeah, around the whole world.
01:04:47.000 Have you heard the Christmas traditions as well?
01:04:49.000 Oh, yeah.
01:04:50.000 Yeah.
01:04:50.000 Santa Claus is a mushroom.
01:04:52.000 Wow.
01:04:53.000 Oh, my gosh.
01:04:54.000 And it's the same mushroom, the Amanita muscaria.
01:04:57.000 The weird thing about the Avenida muscaria is it doesn't, like, not a lot of people have had psychedelic experiences on it.
01:05:03.000 It's a very weird mushroom.
01:05:05.000 You think it evolved maybe over time?
01:05:07.000 It very well could have.
01:05:08.000 McKenna had some thoughts on it.
01:05:10.000 He said that it could be seasonal, it could be location, it could be like where it is, it could be genetic variations.
01:05:19.000 It could be a bunch of different factors.
01:05:21.000 And if you consume it by way of reindeer piss.
01:05:24.000 Right.
01:05:25.000 Yeah.
01:05:25.000 Well, not only that, people drink their piss when they consume it, and it gives them like the second dose.
01:05:30.000 The second burst.
01:05:32.000 So apparently, the psychedelic compounds come through the urine, and if you drink it, you just get a full straight blast.
01:05:37.000 And reindeer have been known to knock shamans out of the way to drink their piss because the reindeer are addicted to this mushroom, which is why they fly in the Santa Claus story.
01:05:50.000 Yeah.
01:05:52.000 And I heard the story these shamans would go around pulled by dog sleds or something, and the snow was so high that they would drop the stuff down the chimney.
01:06:03.000 To these people, and it was fresh mushrooms or fresh amanita or something.
01:06:08.000 And in order to dry it out, you'd have to hang it by the fire.
01:06:12.000 Right.
01:06:12.000 And you hang it over the trees, too.
01:06:14.000 People would put it on trees, and that's where they're decorating the Christmas tree is.
01:06:18.000 Also, those mushrooms, the amanita muscaria, has a mycorrhizal relationship with coniferous trees.
01:06:24.000 Yeah.
01:06:24.000 I didn't know this.
01:06:25.000 So that's where they grow.
01:06:27.000 They grow underneath the trees, just like the brightly packaged presents that are underneath the trees on Christmas.
01:06:35.000 This story is.
01:06:36.000 It's a crazy story.
01:06:38.000 It's like, what did we forget?
01:06:41.000 How much did we forget?
01:06:42.000 What's been revised?
01:06:43.000 Right.
01:06:43.000 Well, just think about what we're just talking about inside of our generation.
01:06:46.000 So, the 1970 Controlled Substances Act.
01:06:49.000 Now, that is a government that's restricting its citizens and trying to control its citizens, and one of the ways it does it is limit their psychedelic experiences.
01:07:01.000 That's not the only time that's happened, right?
01:07:04.000 That's the Illicinian Mysteries.
01:07:05.000 That's from Brian Murorescu's book, The Immortality Key.
01:07:09.000 This is what they did back then.
01:07:11.000 They banned these rituals.
01:07:12.000 Why?
01:07:13.000 Because it's very difficult to control people when you realize that we're all one.
01:07:17.000 Yeah.
01:07:18.000 You know, it's almost impossible.
01:07:19.000 It doesn't work.
01:07:20.000 They don't want to listen.
01:07:21.000 You don't want to do it.
01:07:23.000 You know, you start getting your lawmakers and your military people start doing it.
01:07:27.000 Well, then war becomes impossible.
01:07:28.000 Absolutely impossible at that point.
01:07:31.000 That's me.
01:07:32.000 I'm hurting myself doing all this.
01:07:35.000 Exactly.
01:07:35.000 Yeah.
01:07:36.000 Man, it's insane.
01:07:37.000 It is insane.
01:07:38.000 I wish there was, like, on a Google Doc, how you can look at revision history.
01:07:43.000 I wish there was something like that for our race, our species.
01:07:46.000 Right.
01:07:47.000 Right.
01:07:48.000 Just so much has been changed and modified.
01:07:51.000 And we have historians, but they're studying something that's been permitted and something that's been officially released.
01:08:00.000 And this is more certainty.
01:08:03.000 It's just more certainty. 0.99
01:08:05.000 Like, oh, that reindeer story, that's bullshit because I got this book from. 1.00
01:08:08.000 Yeah, they don't know it's bullshit. 1.00
01:08:10.000 Lichtenstein or whatever from this historian. 0.99
01:08:13.000 Yeah, just plead to authority that you have the answers. 1.00
01:08:15.000 Bitch, you don't have the answers. 1.00
01:08:16.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:08:17.000 You definitely don't.
01:08:18.000 It's not possible.
01:08:19.000 You can't have those answers.
01:08:20.000 Yeah.
01:08:22.000 And we're in an age where this is proving to help with so many other things.
01:08:30.000 And it's not just depression, it's like Alzheimer's, dementia, Parkinson's, myasthenia gravis, multiple sclerosis, autism it's helping with.
01:08:41.000 Yeah.
01:08:42.000 Would you see that woman that had dementia that took five grams of mushrooms and slept for like 19 hours and woke up and then she could talk? 0.73
01:08:50.000 No.
01:08:51.000 You didn't see that story?
01:08:52.000 Yeah.
01:08:52.000 No.
01:08:53.000 It was a recent story. 0.67
01:08:53.000 There was a woman. 0.67
01:08:54.000 She was nonverbal. 1.00
01:08:55.000 She couldn't communicate.
01:08:56.000 She couldn't dress herself, couldn't walk, couldn't do anything.
01:08:59.000 Took five grams of mushrooms, slept for 19 hours, came back, started communicating, looked people in the eye, was able to change herself, was able to walk around.
01:09:06.000 How beautiful!
01:09:08.000 Crazy.
01:09:09.000 And then with subsequent doses, her condition improved even more.
01:09:12.000 Yeah.
01:09:14.000 And you had, I think it was Paul Stamitz on.
01:09:18.000 And he helped his mother through cancer, I think, like stage three cancer with.
01:09:23.000 Turkey tail or something.
01:09:24.000 I can't remember what it was.
01:09:26.000 Well, there's a bunch of mushrooms that help with inflammation.
01:09:28.000 There's a bunch of mushrooms that help with cognitive function.
01:09:31.000 You know, lion's mane is famous for that.
01:09:34.000 Yeah.
01:09:35.000 You know, there's some weird relationship that we have with fungus.
01:09:39.000 And one of the interesting things about fungus, we think of it as like a plant, but it's not.
01:09:44.000 It breathes air, it breathes air like people do.
01:09:47.000 It's a weird thing.
01:09:48.000 And it also can survive in a vacuum, it can survive in the vacuum of space.
01:09:53.000 Yeah.
01:09:54.000 Which is the panspermia notion that mushroom spores came here riding on an asteroid, slammed into the earth, and it might be one of the reasons why we're people in the first place.
01:10:07.000 That's McKenna's idea.
01:10:08.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:10:09.000 Of how we separated from our ancestral, like Cro Magnon roots. 1.00
01:10:16.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:10:16.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:10:17.000 I mean, this whole idea that people were created by aliens, maybe.
01:10:21.000 Maybe those aliens are mushrooms.
01:10:23.000 I mean, or maybe mushrooms is the way the aliens created people.
01:10:26.000 Yeah.
01:10:27.000 You know, it might be just how you add a little bit of fertilizer to the tomato plants to make them awesome.
01:10:33.000 Yeah.
01:10:34.000 And it's just every generation, like this generation says, oh, we're in this computer simulation right now.
01:10:42.000 Now.
01:10:43.000 But you know, during the Industrial Revolution, the universe was a machine.
01:10:47.000 And we started doing electricity and the universe was energy and vibration.
01:10:51.000 And now we invent computers and all of a sudden the universe is a computer.
01:10:54.000 It's just every iteration.
01:10:56.000 So I tend to think that any theory that assumes humans are super special, I'm a little skeptical.
01:11:05.000 Yeah. 0.99
01:11:06.000 Because it assumes that, A, like these ancient, like way up high beings, Have like a MacBook that they're trying to run this shit on. 0.89
01:11:16.000 And they're like, well, the hard drive would need to be the size of the solar system. 0.99
01:11:20.000 Like, just assuming that they have the same shit that we do. 0.99
01:11:23.000 Right. 1.00
01:11:24.000 It's unbelievable.
01:11:26.000 Yeah.
01:11:27.000 That's a funny comparison.
01:11:28.000 They used to think the universe was a machine, it's apt.
01:11:32.000 It's so dead on.
01:11:34.000 We always want to try to figure it out.
01:11:36.000 I think it's way more complicated.
01:11:38.000 And I think the more we figure it out, the more we realize it's way more complicated.
01:11:42.000 And it is all connected.
01:11:44.000 Like, people are super special.
01:11:46.000 We really are.
01:11:46.000 But so is it.
01:11:47.000 Everything else.
01:11:48.000 Exactly.
01:11:49.000 Everything's super special.
01:11:51.000 And everything is weirdly connected.
01:11:54.000 And even if you look at regular ass science, just basic ass science, and you look at an Alan Watts quote of, like, we are the universe experiencing itself, that's just regular science.
01:11:54.000 Yeah.
01:12:05.000 If we are the Big Bang, then we are the universe and we are experiencing itself.
01:12:12.000 You don't need to do any stretches of imagination for that to be true.
01:12:15.000 And Roger Penrose doesn't even think the Big Bang is the start of the universe.
01:12:20.000 He thinks it's a series of big bangs.
01:12:23.000 Oh, really?
01:12:23.000 Yeah, he thinks it's like a never ending cycle.
01:12:25.000 Did you have him on?
01:12:26.000 Yeah, a long time ago.
01:12:27.000 Wow.
01:12:28.000 What year do we have Roger Penrose on?
01:12:30.000 Isn't it Sir Penrose now?
01:12:32.000 Yes.
01:12:32.000 Didn't he get knighted?
01:12:34.000 I'm American, though. 1.00
01:12:35.000 I tend to shy away from those foolish knights. 0.99
01:12:35.000 Yeah. 0.99
01:12:40.000 I mean, that's another thing.
01:12:42.000 Oh, he's a knight.
01:12:43.000 That's a king.
01:12:44.000 Oh.
01:12:45.000 You know, did I?
01:12:47.000 I don't know if we talked about it last time.
01:12:49.000 Have I told you that I figured out a way to edit memory?
01:12:54.000 No.
01:12:55.000 Like you can do it with hypnosis.
01:12:57.000 So I know that you can introduce false memories into people's heads.
01:13:01.000 And I know that people create their own false memories.
01:13:01.000 Yeah.
01:13:04.000 Yeah.
01:13:04.000 So you found a way to do that different than that?
01:13:08.000 Yes.
01:13:09.000 And I make videos similar to this on my YouTube channel.
01:13:14.000 But I wanted to walk you through this process because I think you would love it.
01:13:18.000 Okay.
01:13:20.000 So if I want somebody to be able to edit a memory, I need to make them good at that skill first.
01:13:27.000 So, and we already edit memories.
01:13:29.000 Every time we touch a memory, like if I think back to my wedding right now, I'll edit something and I'll do it unknowingly.
01:13:36.000 Right.
01:13:37.000 So, if our brain is already an expert at making these changes, and then like before I stop thinking about that wedding, my brain automatically clicks File, Save.
01:13:49.000 And then so the next time I look back on it, the memory is going to be there, but I won't see it as an edit.
01:13:49.000 Right.
01:13:55.000 I'll just see it as that's the memory, no matter how many times I change it.
01:13:59.000 Does that make sense?
01:14:00.000 Yes.
01:14:00.000 Okay.
01:14:02.000 So, first, we need to get them to start doing some of that stuff consciously.
01:14:08.000 So, if you take somebody back to, let's say, a childhood bedroom when they're seven, okay, and you do it very vividly with hypnosis.
01:14:17.000 So, like you're going in their file cabinet, you let them explore the bedroom, the details, all this kind of stuff.
01:14:23.000 You make it extremely vivid and coherent.
01:14:27.000 And then you have them pick up, like, a pencil, a really sharp, brand new pencil, maybe from their.
01:14:32.000 Pencil box from school, or something, and they go over by the light switch in the bedroom and just make one dot on a wall.
01:14:41.000 And I figured this out talking to game developers.
01:14:44.000 And I was talking to game developers about how people figure out ways to exit the map, to exit the playable area of the game.
01:14:50.000 Because it kind of feels like that's what psychedelics do.
01:14:53.000 It's like it lets us kind of exit this little playable map temporarily.
01:15:00.000 So one of these game developers said, oh, if you can get somebody to modify one pixel, then they can modify the entire map.
01:15:09.000 So if one pixel is glitching, then you can glitch all kinds of stuff.
01:15:14.000 So, I thought maybe we can do that in humans.
01:15:17.000 So, I've done this hundreds of times.
01:15:19.000 So, you just make a mark on the wall with a pencil, and then you kind of fast forward their life.
01:15:24.000 So, like, you bring them to, say, they were six.
01:15:28.000 Now we're going to bring them back into the room when they're eight.
01:15:30.000 The bed sheets are different.
01:15:31.000 Maybe the wall color changed, something like that.
01:15:34.000 But the one thing they can do is walk over there to the light switch and see that that tiny little dot is still there.
01:15:40.000 So, something, and now you're starting to see that there's permanence through time.
01:15:45.000 It makes sense so far.
01:15:47.000 So if we can get them to do that like 50 times, tiny change.
01:15:47.000 Yeah.
01:15:52.000 You're doing it through hypnosis?
01:15:53.000 Yeah.
01:15:54.000 Okay.
01:15:55.000 I mean, hypnosis is such a loaded, crazy word.
01:15:58.000 They're relaxed, they feel safe, and their brain is in theta brainwave state most of the time, which is around 7 hertz.
01:16:04.000 Yeah, I've been hypnotized, and I thought it was going to be like I didn't know what was going on.
01:16:10.000 I was in another world.
01:16:11.000 No, it's a very odd state of mind.
01:16:14.000 Yeah.
01:16:15.000 It's kind of like guided meditation or.
01:16:17.000 But you feel very conscious.
01:16:18.000 It's not, and I remembered it.
01:16:20.000 It wasn't, didn't wake up my pants off.
01:16:23.000 It was pretty normal.
01:16:24.000 Yeah.
01:16:25.000 It's pretty.
01:16:25.000 It's become a Manchurian candidate.
01:16:27.000 As far as you know.
01:16:28.000 As far as I know, right.
01:16:31.000 So if you can do this 15, 20, 30 times of one pixel at a time and show that it's permanent through time, then you can go back to other events.
01:16:40.000 And instead of editing the memory itself, you teach them how to shift perspective.
01:16:44.000 So now you take them through 30 more events really quick.
01:16:47.000 True events, a birthday party, a dinner, adult life, children, doesn't matter.
01:16:51.000 And now, like, let's say I'm at a dinner party.
01:16:54.000 Can I jump from one body to another and experience the event through that lens?
01:16:58.000 So, first, we make them an expert at editing memory and seeing permanence and time.
01:17:03.000 Second is perspective shifting in real memory.
01:17:06.000 So, I can jump across the table, I can be at my own wedding, and maybe be somebody in the front row and just shift their perspective in memory.
01:17:15.000 The final layer is exactly what psychedelics do. 0.82
01:17:18.000 So, the final layer is go back to that event when you got kicked in the nuts.
01:17:23.000 And everybody laughed at you in elementary school or whatever.
01:17:26.000 And you can reprocess that memory in a very short amount of time as an adult with the perspective of an adult.
01:17:34.000 So, meaning like, so if you had a traumatic event in high school where somebody beat you up in front of everybody and everybody mocked you and it just like destroyed your year and destroyed your confidence, you can go back and shift this person's experience.
01:17:47.000 And instead of modifying the memory like, no, that never happened, the memory stays, the perspective changes.
01:17:47.000 Yeah.
01:17:54.000 So now, Now you show permanence over time.
01:17:58.000 So that has downstream effects for all kinds of stuff later in life.
01:18:02.000 So, this is when a script got written of, I've got to be tough, I've got to be loud, or somebody's going to hurt me, or you know what I mean?
01:18:08.000 Like one of these little childhood scripts.
01:18:11.000 So, you get the downstream effect.
01:18:13.000 So, you can go in there and you could probably edit memories.
01:18:17.000 I've always been nervous to modify stuff that's way more than like a pixel or something insignificant.
01:18:23.000 But the memory stays the same.
01:18:25.000 The perspective is what changes, and you can show that it's got a demonstrable effect.
01:18:30.000 downstream of that.
01:18:32.000 Their whole life can be different after that day.
01:18:35.000 And it's just like a mushroom.
01:18:36.000 That's exactly what psychedelics do.
01:18:39.000 It's this massive perspective shift on memory.
01:18:42.000 And so, is this something that you're actively doing?
01:18:47.000 With clients, I'll do this on occasion.
01:18:50.000 Is anybody else doing it?
01:18:53.000 Maybe a few.
01:18:53.000 There's probably a few people doing it.
01:18:55.000 And is there any times where you guys get together and discuss techniques and what's effective and what's not effective?
01:19:02.000 There should be.
01:19:03.000 We don't.
01:19:04.000 Right, because it seems like this is kind of a big deal.
01:19:07.000 And it seems like someone could. 1.00
01:19:08.000 Fuck it up. 1.00
01:19:10.000 Like, it has the potential for delusional perspective shifting. 1.00
01:19:15.000 There's a.
01:19:16.000 Yeah.
01:19:16.000 I mean, you've got to be responsible about it.
01:19:19.000 But nowadays, I think that psychedelics can achieve a lot of that without having to go through some. 0.97
01:19:25.000 Like, I need you to go back to the original event and, like, having me vocally take you back there using this archaic, stupid ass language that can't even describe a psychedelic experience with this language. 0.98
01:19:36.000 Right. 0.97
01:19:38.000 This is what I was doing mostly before.
01:19:41.000 Psychedelics.
01:19:42.000 And you know how I got into psychedelics was the Spirit Molecule movie that you did the voiceover for it.
01:19:48.000 And that was what kind of introduced me to the entire field of everything, where I thought, wow, this just doesn't seem like a recreational drug.
01:19:57.000 And that was the big shift was watching that documentary for me.
01:20:00.000 Yeah, my big shift was reading Rick Strassman's book.
01:20:05.000 I still haven't read it.
01:20:06.000 Yeah.
01:20:06.000 I need to.
01:20:08.000 He was the first guy to get FDA approval to do psychedelic studies.
01:20:13.000 And the way he did it was very clever.
01:20:15.000 He did it to prove that these are damaging and dangerous.
01:20:19.000 That's how he framed it.
01:20:21.000 That's so brilliant.
01:20:23.000 He's a very smart guy.
01:20:25.000 I mean, you're talking about a guy who taught himself ancient Hebrew.
01:20:28.000 Oh, wow.
01:20:29.000 Yeah, over 16 years, taught himself to read and speak ancient Hebrew so that he could really read the Bible in its original form.
01:20:38.000 Wow.
01:20:39.000 Yeah.
01:20:40.000 He's fascinated by prophecy and ancient religious stories.
01:20:46.000 Like a lot of people that have had DMT experiences, once you do, you look at those old stories and you go, okay, what are these stories really?
01:20:59.000 What was the original event?
01:21:02.000 It's so hard when you're like Moses in the burning bush.
01:21:06.000 Well, there are scholars in Israel that think that burning bush was the acacia tree, and that the acacia tree is rich in DMT.
01:21:13.000 And that might be what it represents this experience of meeting God through a burning bush, he smoked DMT.
01:21:21.000 Yeah.
01:21:22.000 Which, for anybody who's done DMT, they go, Oh, that makes sense.
01:21:26.000 Yeah.
01:21:28.000 I mean, these scholars, I don't think these scholars are freaks.
01:21:30.000 I don't think they're psychedelic heads.
01:21:32.000 I think they're just religious scholars that are trying to figure out what was the origin of that story.
01:21:36.000 Yeah.
01:21:38.000 I've never heard of that.
01:21:38.000 Yeah.
01:21:39.000 Yeah.
01:21:39.000 Acacia.
01:21:40.000 Well, acacia tree, very rich in DMT, but a phalaris grass, very rich in DMT.
01:21:46.000 Mimosa.
01:21:47.000 Plant.
01:21:47.000 Yeah.
01:21:48.000 And for people that don't know, the reason why.
01:21:52.000 Well, DMT exists in probably thousands of different plants, but you can eat those plants and not experience DMT because of monoamine oxidase.
01:22:01.000 So, MAO is what your gut makes to break this stuff down so it doesn't become psychoactive.
01:22:08.000 But when you take an MAO inhibitor and the psychedelic, then you get ayahuasca.
01:22:14.000 That's what ayahuasca is.
01:22:15.000 That's why it's an orally active version of DMT.
01:22:18.000 Yeah.
01:22:19.000 Which methylene blue is an MAOI?
01:22:21.000 Oh, interesting.
01:22:22.000 It's a pretty light.
01:22:24.000 It's a pretty light form of it.
01:22:25.000 But if you're on Methylene Blue and you do psychedelics, it's going to deepen.
01:22:29.000 I can imagine.
01:22:30.000 A lot of people are very hesitant about Methylene Blue.
01:22:33.000 They don't like the idea of it.
01:22:34.000 They think it's very dangerous or potentially dangerous that we don't know enough about it.
01:22:38.000 We've been researching it since 1890 something.
01:22:41.000 And it's in every emergency room.
01:22:43.000 Is it really?
01:22:44.000 Every emergency room.
01:22:45.000 Have you ever heard of anybody having bad experiences with methylene blue or side effects?
01:22:49.000 There are some contraindications.
01:22:51.000 So people that are on a high dose SSRIs.
01:22:54.000 Oh, okay.
01:22:55.000 And if you're taking an MAOI, you can't eat aged cheese and wine because of this chemical called tyrosine that's in there.
01:23:02.000 Oh, aged cheese.
01:23:04.000 Yeah.
01:23:05.000 So, something about the fungus?
01:23:08.000 No, it's a mold.
01:23:09.000 Yeah, maybe there's red wine and aged cheese both have tyrosine, which when you mix tyrosine with an MAOI, it can cause a hypertensive crisis.
01:23:19.000 Oh.
01:23:20.000 So, like a super blood pressure issue.
01:23:22.000 Oh.
01:23:24.000 But I haven't heard anybody having a bad time with it, but you've got to stick to the right dose.
01:23:30.000 Obviously, you've got to talk to a doctor about it.
01:23:32.000 Well, let's ask AI.
01:23:34.000 Put that into AI, put that into perplexity.
01:23:37.000 See, what is the negative consequences of taking methylene blue?
01:23:44.000 Maybe there's something that we don't know.
01:23:46.000 Huberman's a little bit hesitant about it.
01:23:50.000 And I've talked to other people that say it seems like for certain metabolic conditions it's very beneficial, but for people that have a normal metabolic system, like your whole system is working fine and perfect, it might not just not be necessary but might cause harm.
01:23:50.000 Yeah.
01:24:07.000 But they were very vague about what that harm would be.
01:24:09.000 I don't think it's for everybody, it may not be for everybody.
01:24:12.000 It saves my life for sure.
01:24:15.000 Which, I mean, I could stop taking it today and I'll have a seizure within 48 hours.
01:24:20.000 That's wild.
01:24:21.000 Yeah.
01:24:22.000 You said you had a seizure last time after you visited here?
01:24:25.000 The night before I came on the show.
01:24:28.000 Wow.
01:24:29.000 Okay, Methylene Blue, this is our AI sponsor, Perplexity.
01:24:33.000 Methylene Blue can cause a range of side effects from mild nuisance symptoms to rare but life threatening reactions, especially at higher doses or when combined with certain medications.
01:24:43.000 Common short term side effects headaches, dizziness, nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea.
01:24:47.000 Nothing. 1.00
01:24:47.000 Don't be a pussy. 1.00
01:24:48.000 Yeah, my soilets are actually stained. 1.00
01:24:51.000 For pee?
01:24:52.000 Yeah.
01:24:52.000 Yeah, it does make your pee blue.
01:24:54.000 Sweating, feeling hot or cold, muscle twitches, harmless, blue green discoloration of urine, sometimes stool or skin.
01:25:00.000 Serious risk serotonin syndrome when combined with antidepressants, just like you were just saying, or other serotoninogenic drugs, SSRIs, SNRIs, MAOIs, some opioids, St. John's wart.
01:25:14.000 G6PD is a big contraindication there.
01:25:17.000 So, methylene blues in ERs because of methemoglobinemia, which is like when your hemoglobin can't bind to oxygen really well.
01:25:26.000 And it's also right there.
01:25:27.000 And it's also right there.
01:25:28.000 The only cure for cyanide poisoning is methylene blue.
01:25:32.000 Really?
01:25:33.000 Yeah.
01:25:35.000 It will stop cyanide in its tracks.
01:25:35.000 Cyanide?
01:25:38.000 Whoa.
01:25:40.000 It probably says that on here.
01:25:42.000 Oh, interesting.
01:25:44.000 Safety for chronic low dose experimenting.
01:25:46.000 For anti aging or cognition is not well established and is not currently recommended without medical supervision.
01:25:58.000 I know a lot of people that take it.
01:26:00.000 I know a lot of people that take it as a.
01:26:01.000 I know Bobby takes it.
01:26:02.000 Uh huh.
01:26:03.000 Yeah.
01:26:04.000 He's one of them.
01:26:06.000 A lot of people that take it that say it improves cognitive function.
01:26:10.000 It's supposed to also, when you take it with red light therapy, it's supposed to greatly increase the effectiveness.
01:26:17.000 Unbelievably so, yeah.
01:26:18.000 Yeah.
01:26:19.000 I mean, number, if you want to go into it for just a minute here.
01:26:19.000 Really?
01:26:22.000 Sure.
01:26:23.000 Methylene blue has what's called a neuronal affinity.
01:26:26.000 So, they used to, like, you stick it on a microscope slide with a brain cell, it sucks into the neuron, like, automatically.
01:26:33.000 And it does the same thing in your body.
01:26:36.000 So, if I know that I'm basically dyeing all of my neurons blue, and I'm not just talking about in your head, like, we have neurons everywhere, our whole body.
01:26:46.000 So, if I'm dyeing a lot of my neurons blue, and I see something that's blue, methylene blue is blue because it reflects blue light, which also means that it absorbs almost all red.
01:27:00.000 So, if my neurons are dyed blue and then I go into near infrared and infrared light, I know that I'm getting way more absorption in there. 0.97
01:27:09.000 Let's fucking go. 0.97
01:27:11.000 That makes sense. 0.99
01:27:11.000 In the third stage of cellular breathing, we produce this chemical called cytochrome C oxidase. 0.99
01:27:18.000 And cytochrome is like cell color, cytochroma, where our cells can start running, essentially running on photons, which is beautiful and amazing.
01:27:30.000 And if you get a good red light, System and I have no plug, but you get a good red light system, it'll penetrate through the skull up to like four inches through your skull in good systems.
01:27:42.000 Whoa, even lasers, and they make laser beds and all this other stuff.
01:27:46.000 Yeah, I have one of those red light beds that looks like a tanning bed.
01:27:49.000 I bought it up from Gary Breck's company, it's very expensive, but it's pretty profound.
01:27:55.000 I don't need reading glasses anymore. 0.98
01:27:58.000 I used to have these fucking things everywhere, all over my house. 0.96
01:28:01.000 I used to need them to read my phone if I wanted to read an email. 0.99
01:28:04.000 I don't need them anymore.
01:28:05.000 Wow.
01:28:06.000 Yeah.
01:28:07.000 It's nuts.
01:28:08.000 I don't bring them with me anymore. 0.99
01:28:09.000 If I would go on the road before and I had to do a trip for the UFC or whatever and I didn't have my reading glasses, I'm like, fuck. 0.89
01:28:16.000 Now I've got to make everything big. 0.94
01:28:17.000 I can't read anything.
01:28:19.000 Not anymore.
01:28:20.000 No, my vision got better from red light therapy.
01:28:23.000 I don't doubt it.
01:28:24.000 For sure.
01:28:25.000 I also don't close my eyes, I keep my eyes wide open.
01:28:28.000 Same.
01:28:28.000 They're like, oh, you need goggles.
01:28:30.000 Like you're fucking staring at some nuclear bomb or something. 0.98
01:28:36.000 It's not. 0.99
01:28:36.000 Yeah. 0.99
01:28:37.000 No.
01:28:37.000 So it doesn't seem to bother my vision at all.
01:28:40.000 Yeah.
01:28:40.000 And I've heard so many doctors, and obviously none of this is advice for anybody.
01:28:47.000 I've heard so many doctors say, throw the safety goggles in the trash.
01:28:50.000 Look right into it if you want to.
01:28:52.000 It's going to help your eyes.
01:28:53.000 There's so many stories of people with macular degeneration and glaucoma and eye conditions and stuff that's gotten multitudes better than it was.
01:29:01.000 Obviously, my story is anecdotal, but my vision was shifting in a real bad way.
01:29:07.000 I was using three, those three power ones, you know, those cheap ones.
01:29:11.000 These things are cheap.
01:29:12.000 I buy them off Amazon, but I use three.
01:29:14.000 And I started with one, like one power, and then it got to two power, and then I'll get to three. 0.98
01:29:19.000 I'm like, Jesus Christ, I'm fucking going blind. 0.99
01:29:21.000 I can't see shit. 0.99
01:29:23.000 I don't need any anymore. 0.99
01:29:25.000 Now, my vision's not perfect.
01:29:26.000 It's not 2020, it's not what it used to be.
01:29:29.000 So when I read things, it's like maybe slightly blurry.
01:29:32.000 And if I put reading glasses on, it'll look a little better.
01:29:35.000 But I don't need them anymore.
01:29:36.000 And it keeps getting better.
01:29:38.000 I also take Lutein and a bunch of different supplements.
01:29:41.000 I take this no affiliation.
01:29:45.000 Work with them or anything, but it's called Pure Encapsulations Macular Support.
01:29:50.000 They have a supplement for it.
01:29:52.000 I take those.
01:29:53.000 I've been taking those steadily at the same time I've been doing the red light therapy, and it works.
01:30:00.000 At least it works for me.
01:30:03.000 It worked for Whitney Cummings. 0.97
01:30:04.000 Same thing with her.
01:30:04.000 Her vision got way better.
01:30:07.000 She's very diligent about it.
01:30:08.000 She does it every day.
01:30:09.000 There's something there.
01:30:10.000 Yeah.
01:30:11.000 Something there. 0.99
01:30:12.000 Well, there's for sure something about staring at a fucking phone all day that's really bad for your eyes. 0.99
01:30:17.000 Staring at a phone, staring at a tablet, staring at a laptop, staring at a computer screen. 0.99
01:30:22.000 It's not good for your eyes, period.
01:30:24.000 There's no way.
01:30:24.000 There's no way.
01:30:25.000 When I look at my phone in bed at night, if I do, it hurts my eyes.
01:30:29.000 Yeah.
01:30:30.000 You know, like if it's dark in the room and I'm like, let me check my email real quick.
01:30:34.000 I get to my email, it's like, it's like it's bright.
01:30:38.000 If I go to a website that's like a white website, it's like, oh, it hurts.
01:30:41.000 Yeah. 0.99
01:30:43.000 Did you know you can change your iPhone?
01:30:45.000 Like if you go into accessibility, it's like color overlay.
01:30:50.000 I forget the name of it, where you can make the whole screen red.
01:30:53.000 I have seen people do that.
01:30:54.000 I have not done that.
01:30:56.000 I've tried to do it on mine.
01:30:58.000 It's tough.
01:30:59.000 But I did it on our two year old's iPad, and nothing is addictive anymore.
01:31:04.000 Like, she won't sit there and stare at it for more than three or four minutes anymore.
01:31:08.000 Whoa.
01:31:09.000 And it's just like I didn't buy some special device or anything.
01:31:09.000 Yeah.
01:31:12.000 You just go into accessibility and make it red.
01:31:14.000 And it used to be that she would just sit there and hold the iPad.
01:31:17.000 Yeah.
01:31:18.000 I'm an anti electronics guy.
01:31:20.000 So I wanted to try this experiment.
01:31:23.000 And the moment I turned it red, she didn't complain about the red.
01:31:26.000 She got used to it within 15 minutes and never complained again.
01:31:29.000 Her iPad has never gone off of the red mode.
01:31:32.000 And that she doesn't get hooked into shows anymore.
01:31:35.000 Whoa.
01:31:36.000 She'll watch it for a few minutes and be like, okay, that's great. 0.97
01:31:39.000 Put it down and then she'll go play.
01:31:41.000 Wow. 0.99
01:31:43.000 So it's worth an experiment if anybody's got little small kids out there.
01:31:47.000 Or do it to yourself.
01:31:48.000 It's amazing that they provide you with a tool to escape the addiction that they've created.
01:31:56.000 It's so true, man.
01:31:57.000 Because it's a pretty intense addiction.
01:32:00.000 I think they feel like good luck, you're never getting off this hook.
01:32:04.000 This hook is sunk in deep and the barb is strong.
01:32:08.000 Big time.
01:32:08.000 It's so strong.
01:32:10.000 And it's the production tool of reality right now.
01:32:15.000 If I want to alter reality, I've just got to engineer how you see it.
01:32:19.000 And that's the way that we see reality what's on my phone?
01:32:23.000 Yeah.
01:32:23.000 And that's the problem that a lot of people have with tech companies is that you're giving these people that aren't particularly wise, they might be intelligent.
01:32:32.000 They figured out how to code these things and make these things and market these things, but it's not like they're.
01:32:38.000 They're not these like profound visionaries that are much more educated and enlightened than the general population.
01:32:45.000 No, a lot of them have autism and no empathy. 1.00
01:32:49.000 They're out of their fucking minds. 1.00
01:32:50.000 And they're optimizing the software continually to get people to engage with it. 1.00
01:32:56.000 They want you to.
01:32:58.000 I mean, that's the EBITDA.
01:33:00.000 That's the bottom line revenue comes from ads.
01:33:04.000 And how many ads can I show you?
01:33:06.000 And if I know how much data of yours can I sell?
01:33:10.000 Yeah.
01:33:11.000 It's nuts. 1.00
01:33:12.000 Which is why, like, I think it's so important for people to be literate, extremely literate in what's going on with your phone, what's going on with your brain, and PSYOPS, like the shit that we see coming out of the news right now. 0.99
01:33:25.000 And I'm the guy that trains PSYOPS. 0.90
01:33:27.000 In two days after I leave here, I'm going to Fort Bragg to train the United States Army PSYOPS Division.
01:33:34.000 I'm the guy.
01:33:35.000 What are you training them in?
01:33:37.000 Are they allowed to say?
01:33:38.000 In PSYOPS.
01:33:39.000 I'm just training them how they work and how to do it.
01:33:41.000 Yeah, like how.
01:33:43.000 Yeah, I'm the body language, like people reading guy.
01:33:45.000 I don't know if you've ever seen our YouTube channel, The Behavior Panel.
01:33:47.000 Yes.
01:33:48.000 You got a great YouTube channel.
01:33:49.000 It's awesome.
01:33:50.000 Really good.
01:33:51.000 Thank you.
01:33:51.000 Thanks.
01:33:52.000 And I have another one with three other behavior profilers where we break down videos of people in interrogation and stuff like that.
01:34:00.000 And I think it's so important to be literate in a lot of this stuff.
01:34:04.000 And how does our brain work?
01:34:06.000 How can I be compromised?
01:34:08.000 And so I created a tool and I gave it to Jamie before we started the show.
01:34:14.000 That will give you a 1 to 100 score on how likely something is a psion.
01:34:19.000 Oh.
01:34:20.000 Is it an app or is it on a website?
01:34:21.000 It's just a PDF.
01:34:23.000 And you can run anything through it and you can run it historically and see what's a PSYOP and what's not.
01:34:23.000 Okay.
01:34:30.000 And it's kind of subjective, but at least you get a standardized score for everything.
01:34:36.000 And you can see, like, if you went to the invading Iraq initially. 0.99
01:34:43.000 Okay, that's a good one. 0.99
01:34:44.000 That would score a 98 out of 100 for PSYOP just on this tool here.
01:34:49.000 So it kind of goes in layers.
01:34:51.000 So step one is like this pre ignition.
01:34:54.000 Like, I have societal stuff going on, there's moral panic.
01:34:58.000 Then operational, are there drills happening that are kind of similar to this?
01:35:01.000 Military ramping up.
01:35:03.000 The regulatory, obviously, it's pretty there.
01:35:06.000 Like bills getting passed at two in the morning and 5,000 pages.
01:35:10.000 Right.
01:35:12.000 Then alignment.
01:35:12.000 So, like people suddenly aligning different news agencies and then authorities, celebrities are starting to come out with the same messaging and stuff like that.
01:35:21.000 And then media, like just kind of flooding little slogans and stuff.
01:35:25.000 So, if that kind of scores kind of high, and you don't even need the numbers right now, then we move to the next one.
01:35:30.000 So, has this happened before?
01:35:32.000 The precursor anomalies?
01:35:33.000 Like, have they done this before?
01:35:35.000 Well, matter of fact, they gave people LSD against their will at MKUltra, you know, whatever.
01:35:40.000 Like, is there some precursor?
01:35:42.000 Right.
01:35:43.000 And then identical phrasing across unrelated outlets.
01:35:45.000 So, we see something on MSNBC and Fox saying the same kind of phrasing or something.
01:35:50.000 That's kind of suspicious.
01:35:52.000 And then introduced villains that are prepackaged.
01:35:56.000 Pretty obvious.
01:35:57.000 Injecting symbolism.
01:35:58.000 And then the manufacturer urgency.
01:36:01.000 Like, if If this bill isn't passed in the next 72 hours, we're going to face a national crisis and all this kind of stuff.
01:36:07.000 And then you could just kind of go down the walkway and it'll give you a predictive score of how likely something is a psyop.
01:36:15.000 And one of the biggest things is if you don't want to, like, this is a lot of crap to memorize, but are you seeing authority figures resonate with each other and is nuance not being presented to you?
01:36:30.000 And that's like if I'm not seeing nuance, if I have a left versus right issue and there's a prepackaged villain. 0.68
01:36:36.000 That's a psyop.
01:36:38.000 If you just look at those couple of things, is then nowadays we have a death of nuance where no one's getting presented any nuance to anything.
01:36:45.000 It's just, it's either you're on this side, you're wearing this jersey or this jersey, which is really toxic to our whole entire country, the whole world.
01:36:55.000 And it's accentuated by clips and these weird little things.
01:36:59.000 And if you're on the left, take out nuance.
01:36:59.000 Yeah.
01:37:01.000 Let's say I'm on the left. 0.99
01:37:04.000 When I log into social media, whatever it is, they're going to show me the dumbest. 1.00
01:37:09.000 Shithead morons on the other side that they could possibly find. 1.00
01:37:13.000 And the same thing if I'm on the right. 1.00
01:37:14.000 They're going to show me the biggest idiots. 1.00
01:37:17.000 And the only goal is being like me thinking, oh my God, these people are insane. 1.00
01:37:22.000 And it's me thinking that's all of them. 1.00
01:37:24.000 But like if you go to Target right now and see somebody that voted differently than you, you want the same shit. 0.99
01:37:30.000 You want your kids to be healthy. 1.00
01:37:32.000 You want safety.
01:37:32.000 You want to pay less taxes.
01:37:34.000 You want the government less and less involved in your life.
01:37:39.000 They're not all insane, but the goal is to make you think all the other side is insane, right?
01:37:43.000 That's the ultimate psyop.
01:37:45.000 So then at the end, you kind of get a one to 100 score.
01:37:49.000 And I started a, I bought a TV station.
01:37:53.000 Did I tell you about this?
01:37:54.000 No.
01:37:54.000 I was going to text you or I was going to send you an email about this.
01:37:58.000 I bought a TV station.
01:38:00.000 We started our own daily news show where we run the day's events all the way through the psyops index every single day.
01:38:10.000 And we show here's how you're being presented.
01:38:12.000 Here's how you're being made to feel about this issue.
01:38:14.000 Here's where nuance has been taken out.
01:38:16.000 Every single thing that's like truly going on.
01:38:18.000 Here's the bill that got passed that nobody's talking about that has a lot to do with this.
01:38:23.000 They're saying the Strait of Hormuz is going to open, but here's what Brent Crude is predicting oil prices at.
01:38:29.000 So the insurance market has a lot more info than the news is going to give you.
01:38:34.000 So I try to give you every single day here's how you're being made to feel.
01:38:38.000 Here's the actual news.
01:38:40.000 Here's what the left is going to say.
01:38:41.000 Here's what the right is going to say.
01:38:42.000 And here's where they're killing nuance.
01:38:44.000 Here's where you're being presented a binary choice.
01:38:49.000 I think I'm trying to, like, I want to make psyops irrelevant. 0.73
01:38:55.000 And what we have to do, what are the steps we have to take to not really inoculate people from psyops, but just to make them so fucking visible that it's just obvious.
01:39:06.000 And yeah, they're going to have to invent something else and they will, but at least for a few years, people are really wise to everything.
01:39:14.000 Like, this is very obvious because, like, all the things that were up on that sheet right there, if you look at that a few times, it It starts to become irrelevant, and like my goal is to make people more expensive to influence.
01:39:30.000 I think it's possible.
01:39:32.000 I think if this gets out there, the more people are aware and just can piece it together, and the more that narrative starts getting pushed and people start repeating it.
01:39:41.000 Like, let's pay attention to this.
01:39:43.000 When you say you bought a TV channel or a TV station, what do you mean?
01:39:46.000 Like an actual station, a physical station with a news desk and.
01:39:51.000 Where does it air?
01:39:53.000 It's on YouTube right now.
01:39:54.000 So, where'd you buy this place?
01:39:55.000 Where was it?
01:39:56.000 Was it just like 10 minutes from my house?
01:39:58.000 So, it was a former TV station that was like going out of business?
01:40:01.000 Yeah, we retrofitted everything, upgraded it.
01:40:03.000 Wow.
01:40:04.000 But it's probably a fire sale on TV stations right now.
01:40:07.000 Yeah.
01:40:09.000 We got a good deal.
01:40:11.000 Nobody's watching TV.
01:40:13.000 That's great.
01:40:14.000 Yeah, we retrofitted it.
01:40:16.000 And like the quality's up there with like Fox or anybody else.
01:40:19.000 Like we have a daily show.
01:40:20.000 What's the daily show on YouTube called?
01:40:23.000 Station One.
01:40:23.000 Station One.
01:40:24.000 Yeah.
01:40:25.000 Surprisingly, that wouldn't take him.
01:40:27.000 It's a new channel?
01:40:28.000 Oh, perfect.
01:40:28.000 Yeah.
01:40:29.000 We have like most of the subscribers were my mom, I think, for the first month.
01:40:29.000 Brand new channel.
01:40:35.000 We're growing now.
01:40:36.000 So you just started it off and no fanfare, just try to get feet on the ground.
01:40:41.000 Yeah, trying to kick it off.
01:40:43.000 And it's, you know, I do it with my YouTube channel, which I've got 2 million something subscribers on YouTube.
01:40:50.000 And it's cool that I can make these documentaries, but you know, on YouTube, like you can't change it up on people.
01:40:56.000 Like the algorithm punishes people.
01:40:59.000 When you change things, so we had to start a new channel.
01:41:02.000 Interesting.
01:41:03.000 Like, you guys started JRE clips.
01:41:07.000 Mm hmm.
01:41:08.000 Because you can't, like, back in the day, the algorithm said you can't do short form and then long form stuff, and the algorithm kind of punishes you for that.
01:41:15.000 So, you had to make a new channel for it.
01:41:17.000 Probably what Jamie did or the team did.
01:41:19.000 I don't remember what the initial reason was.
01:41:22.000 I think we decided it would be good just to have a second channel as well, anyway, just in case, because there was always the threat that YouTube was going to remove us.
01:41:31.000 Which I do think that if it wasn't for Spotify and it wasn't for the fact that I was primarily on Spotify, I probably would have been removed during the whole COVID thing.
01:41:31.000 Okay.
01:41:41.000 Oh, my God.
01:41:42.000 Yeah.
01:41:42.000 Yeah.
01:41:43.000 Because we were regularly questioning a bunch of different things that could have got you removed.
01:41:48.000 We were regularly questioning the COVID lab leak.
01:41:52.000 We were regularly questioning whether or not there was any danger to taking these vaccines, regularly questioning alternative medical care.
01:42:01.000 Yeah.
01:42:02.000 And, That was maybe the biggest psyop of our lifetimes.
01:42:07.000 For sure.
01:42:07.000 And now, confirmed.
01:42:10.000 That woke up normal people.
01:42:12.000 That woke up average people.
01:42:14.000 Because it was so obvious.
01:42:14.000 Oh, yeah.
01:42:16.000 Woke up a lot.
01:42:17.000 Some of them, like, they just can't shake them.
01:42:19.000 They're on 15 ambience. 1.00
01:42:21.000 Fucking. 1.00
01:42:22.000 They're just, they're going to stay. 1.00
01:42:22.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:42:24.000 I've got family members that are very trustful of government.
01:42:27.000 And they're like, no, Chase, if it was going to go bad or if it was this thing, they would tell us.
01:42:32.000 And I was like, these are the people who gave you the food pyramid.
01:42:34.000 Right.
01:42:35.000 And told you to eat 16 loaves of bread every day.
01:42:40.000 And yeah, it's the idea that the government is here to help you. 1.00
01:42:44.000 It's like, that's the dumbest. 0.99
01:42:47.000 That was Reagan's best line. 1.00
01:42:48.000 Yeah.
01:42:49.000 That they're the five.
01:42:50.000 We're the government and we're here to help.
01:42:50.000 Yeah.
01:42:52.000 Yeah.
01:42:54.000 That's, um, it's interesting how people will believe in the government if it is convenient.
01:42:54.000 Yeah.
01:43:01.000 But then if the other people are the government, then it's 100% negative.
01:43:06.000 Yeah.
01:43:06.000 It's like people are so ideologically captured.
01:43:10.000 And that's why people are completely unwilling to look at anything positive that one of the other members, someone from the other side, Proposes.
01:43:21.000 Which is what I found really fascinating about the response to the Trump thing.
01:43:21.000 Exactly.
01:43:27.000 You know, that Trump passing the psychedelic initiative and trying to push through Ibogaine and psilocybin and all these different methods that people have used to overcome addiction and treat all these different things that we talked about before.
01:43:41.000 They didn't know what to do with that.
01:43:42.000 That was a weird one because they tried to find all sorts of negatives.
01:43:46.000 I saw people trying to find negatives because it's him.
01:43:49.000 Yeah.
01:43:51.000 Which is so crazy.
01:43:52.000 And there were also negatives because it was pushed by me.
01:43:55.000 And the idea was Joe Rogan helping mental health policy in America.
01:43:59.000 Is that real?
01:44:00.000 You're the green guy who takes horse pace, though.
01:44:02.000 Yeah.
01:44:04.000 And a dragon believer.
01:44:07.000 Yeah.
01:44:09.000 It's an interesting time to be alive, you know, really is.
01:44:12.000 So, what emotionally for you, if I think if I saw myself edited like that on CNN or something, I feel like that would wreck me.
01:44:23.000 I feel like that would emotionally make me feel like shit for such a long time.
01:44:27.000 Were you just like over it? 0.99
01:44:29.000 Oh, it didn't make me feel like shit for a second. 0.97
01:44:31.000 I started laughing. 0.93
01:44:32.000 I thought it was hilarious.
01:44:33.000 Okay.
01:44:33.000 I was also very aware that they weren't aware that my show was way bigger than them.
01:44:39.000 See, the thing about mainstream media is that mainstream media had ruled for so long that they had gotten delusional.
01:44:48.000 They had been like a champion that didn't think that he had a train anymore. 0.98
01:44:51.000 And then some new contender came along that had been, you know, in the mountains of fucking Siberia. 0.98
01:44:57.000 Yeah. 0.99
01:44:57.000 You know what I mean? 0.99
01:44:58.000 And someone came out of the blue and just fucked them up. 0.98
01:45:01.000 And they were, they're so bad at this thing that they think they run. 0.98
01:45:06.000 And they're also, they also are very, they're very unaware of the actual playing field.
01:45:12.000 So the actual playing field that they exist in is so limited that they cannot ever achieve the kind of acceptance or interaction or trust.
01:45:25.000 That alternative media can.
01:45:28.000 So there's too many people involved.
01:45:30.000 Too many people will most certainly move things and water things down to, like, what you were talking about before.
01:45:36.000 Like, here's what I want people to think I believe, right?
01:45:39.000 Yeah.
01:45:39.000 Which is most of what mainstream media produces.
01:45:42.000 It's here's what I want people to think I believe.
01:45:44.000 You don't believe any of those people reading that teleprompter because none of it seems sincere.
01:45:49.000 Your mind registers this is a person reading something that's been written.
01:45:53.000 It doesn't register. 1.00
01:45:54.000 And then when you see them talking, Like on those panel shows on CNN, you're like, oh, you guys are fucking retarded. 1.00
01:46:02.000 Like, this is, you guys have some of the dumbest opinions. 1.00
01:46:05.000 You're so uninformed. 1.00
01:46:06.000 You're so ideologically captured.
01:46:08.000 This is so not compelling. 1.00
01:46:10.000 They've turned CNN into a fucking group podcast. 0.99
01:46:13.000 That's a lot of the shows on CNN are bad podcasts with like shitty guests who, you know, they're no nuance and they're yelling over each other. 1.00
01:46:23.000 It's a terrible format. 0.93
01:46:23.000 Exactly. 0.93
01:46:24.000 No nuance whatsoever.
01:46:25.000 There's also the problem that they have to break for commercials.
01:46:28.000 And then there's the problem that the funding for those commercials, a giant chunk of it, is pharmaceutical drug companies.
01:46:28.000 Oh, yeah.
01:46:36.000 Huge.
01:46:37.000 Yeah.
01:46:38.000 And as Mike Benz and Callie Means and a lot of people have talked about, they don't do that because.
01:46:45.000 They want to sell drugs.
01:46:47.000 They do that because now the news will not criticize the pharmaceutical drug company because the pharmaceutical drug company is responsible for an enormous part of their income.
01:46:57.000 Yeah.
01:46:58.000 And I mean, I wouldn't say definitively that that's happening, but I mean, if you're the CEO of the president, you know exactly where the money's coming from.
01:47:07.000 100%.
01:47:08.000 And if you get a phone call that says, hey, you know what?
01:47:11.000 Maybe not mention that.
01:47:13.000 Yeah.
01:47:14.000 And maybe attack someone who's got a narrative.
01:47:17.000 Exactly.
01:47:17.000 And turn them green and do all that.
01:47:19.000 But like I said, for me, it was making me laugh.
01:47:23.000 I thought it was funny.
01:47:23.000 I thought it was funny.
01:47:24.000 I was like, this is such a classic mistake.
01:47:28.000 Like, you guys are completely out of touch.
01:47:31.000 Yeah.
01:47:31.000 Just delusional.
01:47:33.000 Not understanding the backlash of that, of just doing open, like, in your face.
01:47:39.000 Like, there was no, like, hey, look over here.
01:47:41.000 Right.
01:47:41.000 It was just in your face psyop.
01:47:44.000 Not just that.
01:47:45.000 They're also, you.
01:47:47.000 You're making a green version of a video that exists on Instagram first.
01:47:54.000 So it's already out there.
01:47:56.000 You don't think the internet is going to see that there's a difference in my skin tone on CNN than on Instagram?
01:48:01.000 On Instagram, I look rosy and healthy.
01:48:04.000 I wasn't lying.
01:48:05.000 I was making a video.
01:48:06.000 If I was really sick, I was outside.
01:48:08.000 I was outside having a, I was like, I feel good.
01:48:10.000 I felt shitty for a day.
01:48:12.000 I was being completely honest.
01:48:13.000 Nor did I ever think that it was going to be controversial to talk about ivermectin.
01:48:17.000 I had no idea.
01:48:18.000 So, ivermectin was not a controversial substance before I talked about it in that one video.
01:48:23.000 Yeah.
01:48:25.000 It was normal.
01:48:25.000 You could get it at a pharmacy.
01:48:27.000 Your doctor could prescribe it to you.
01:48:29.000 Mine did.
01:48:30.000 But he also prescribed to me a ton of other stuff.
01:48:32.000 Exactly.
01:48:33.000 Yeah.
01:48:34.000 It's so much other stuff, like finbendazole that's now getting into the same category as ivermectin was.
01:48:41.000 And Mel Gibson talked about it here with you.
01:48:43.000 Yes.
01:48:44.000 And there's a study now that shows, I think it's from 2022, that it's.
01:48:44.000 That combo.
01:48:50.000 A cancer treatment, like a new cancer treatment.
01:48:52.000 Right. 0.92
01:48:54.000 What the hell? 0.96
01:48:55.000 I know. 0.96
01:48:56.000 It's not patented, so it's a demon.
01:49:00.000 It's a demon, and these news stations are all complicit.
01:49:05.000 They're all in bed with the pharmaceutical drug companies who, again, are responsible for an enormous part of their advertising budget, and that's where they make their money.
01:49:13.000 Yeah.
01:49:14.000 And they don't have a lot of people that believe them anymore.
01:49:17.000 I think they lost a lot of their credibility during the COVID epidemic.
01:49:22.000 Who?
01:49:23.000 News media.
01:49:23.000 Media?
01:49:24.000 Yeah.
01:49:26.000 And the government.
01:49:26.000 And the government.
01:49:27.000 But most people are aware like, oh, this is a psyop.
01:49:30.000 And then, of course, the final straw was Elon purchasing Twitter and then the Twitter files.
01:49:36.000 So when Matt Taibbi and Michael Schellenberger and all these different people got a hold of these files where you could see the emails between the federal government and these social media companies where they were asking people to censor true stories.
01:49:55.000 And then when Zuckerberg was on my podcast and explained how the FBI had contacted him and told him that they wanted him to censor stories and censor the Hunter Biden laptop story.
01:49:55.000 And you're like, what?
01:50:08.000 It's terrifying. 0.99
01:50:09.000 It's fucking crazy. 1.00
01:50:11.000 This is literally Banana Republic shit. 1.00
01:50:13.000 So, have you heard of Project Mockingbird? 1.00
01:50:16.000 Yes.
01:50:16.000 Operation Mockingbird.
01:50:18.000 I mean, it's not new.
01:50:20.000 So, I mean, somebody says, like, oh, I can't believe the government's doing this.
01:50:23.000 I'd be like, wait a second.
01:50:24.000 Just go, just look at history.
01:50:26.000 Right.
01:50:27.000 And Dr. Phil says one time is a pattern.
01:50:32.000 And if you go back, there's way more than one time this has happened.
01:50:35.000 Operation Mockingbird, Walter Cronkite was a CIA asset.
01:50:39.000 Yeah.
01:50:40.000 Legit CIA asset.
01:50:41.000 So is Anderson Cooper.
01:50:43.000 Anderson Cooper worked for the CIA when he was in college.
01:50:43.000 Is he?
01:50:46.000 I didn't know that.
01:50:47.000 Yeah.
01:50:47.000 Look that up.
01:50:48.000 Make sure that's true.
01:50:49.000 I'm 99% sure.
01:50:51.000 99% sure, rather.
01:50:52.000 Julia Childs. 0.99
01:50:53.000 Whoa.
01:50:54.000 Did you know she was here? 0.93
01:50:55.000 Oh, she's a lovely, lovely little thing.
01:50:56.000 She's beautiful. 0.91
01:50:57.000 She was in the CIA teaching people how to bake.
01:51:01.000 I think she did the hand to hand combat course. 1.00
01:51:06.000 Fuck people up with a rolling pin. 1.00
01:51:08.000 Was the Anderson Cooper thing correct? 1.00
01:51:10.000 I believe he worked for the CIA in college.
01:51:13.000 Uh, Anderson Cooper interned at the CIA for two consecutive summers while he was a political science major at Yale University.
01:51:20.000 He did not pursue a career in intelligence, wink, wink, after graduating, later describing the agency's desk work at Langley as less James Bond than I hoped it would be.
01:51:29.000 Yeah.
01:51:30.000 Well, I think it's all less James Bond.
01:51:34.000 It's more money.
01:51:36.000 It's more money and influence, and what do the people in power want people to believe?
01:51:41.000 But he's not the only one.
01:51:42.000 Walter Cronkite.
01:51:44.000 There were hundreds.
01:51:45.000 Hundreds and hundreds.
01:51:45.000 Yeah.
01:51:47.000 So much so it was every network, and there's no direct, there's no declassified document that says here's what we told them to say or here's how compromised they were.
01:51:58.000 But they were compromised completely and most likely told exactly what to say or what stories to suppress.
01:52:07.000 Does Mike Wallace have some sort of a connection?
01:52:09.000 I don't know.
01:52:11.000 See if Mike Wallace had some sort of a connection with the CIA.
01:52:15.000 But it's a bunch of prominent, respected, trusted.
01:52:20.000 Yes.
01:52:23.000 All over the place.
01:52:24.000 This is through the 50s, 60s, I think in the beginning of the 70s until this thing called the.
01:52:29.000 Mike Wallace is famous for his probing, investigative reporting on CBS's 60 Minutes regarding the CIA, most notably a landmark 1993 report titled The CIA's Cocaine Exposed.
01:52:42.000 So he's the opposite.
01:52:43.000 So he worked to expose CIA stuff.
01:52:46.000 The report exposed a covert CIA anti drug operation in Venezuela that allowed hundreds of millions of dollars in cocaine to be smuggled.
01:52:52.000 Okay, this is the Iran Contra affair.
01:52:55.000 Yeah.
01:52:57.000 Yeah.
01:52:57.000 So it's the opposite.
01:52:57.000 Okay.
01:52:58.000 But with so many things, like somebody's like, oh, I can't believe COVID's doing this.
01:53:02.000 Be like, well, look at history again.
01:53:05.000 Like, we dosed millions of people with LSD against their consent, against their will.
01:53:10.000 Was it millions?
01:53:12.000 I think, well, there were experiments with aerosol forms of LSD that were in cities.
01:53:18.000 What?
01:53:19.000 Yeah.
01:53:20.000 I didn't know about that, Jamie.
01:53:22.000 Aerosol LSD in cities?
01:53:24.000 Somewhere near like Vermont or Boston.
01:53:27.000 It was somewhere up in like the New England area.
01:53:29.000 Yeah.
01:53:32.000 Dude. 1.00
01:53:33.000 What kind of a psycho do you have to be to get a crop duster plane and fill up a tank of LSD and just spray it on kids? 1.00
01:53:42.000 I don't get it. 0.97
01:53:43.000 And then you go back to when we dosed, I don't know how many African Americans with syphilis, or we grouped them together that they had syphilis and didn't treat them. 0.70
01:53:53.000 And gave them fake treatments and stuff.
01:53:55.000 The U.S. government has never openly sprayed LSD from their air over entire cities.
01:53:59.000 However, during the Cold War, intelligence agencies and the military did conduct.
01:54:03.000 Covert aerosol and mind control experiments on the public.
01:54:07.000 What does that mean?
01:54:08.000 It means you did it.
01:54:09.000 Yeah, not from a plane, though, most likely.
01:54:11.000 They probably had a fan and a bucket.
01:54:11.000 They were like.
01:54:15.000 CIA's notorious project, MKUltra, sought to weaponize LSD and use it for mind control.
01:54:21.000 CIA operatives were sent to San Francisco to spray the air with LSD 25 at an unwitting party of guests.
01:54:28.000 Oh, I did hear about this.
01:54:29.000 The result the agency ultimately abandoned the specific aerosol test at the last minute because the summer weather was too hot to keep the windows closed and their specialized aerosol device malfunctioned.
01:54:43.000 There we go.
01:54:44.000 Number two, the army sprayed thousands of unsuspecting Americans with aerosolized chemicals.
01:54:50.000 Yeah, military released a fine powder called zinc cadmium sulfide over 33 rural and urban rather than rural areas.
01:55:01.000 Scroll up a little bit, please.
01:55:04.000 Yeah, the targeted cities, affected cities included St. Louis, Minneapolis, Winnipeg, Corpus Christi, and Fort Wayne.
01:55:10.000 St. Louis was deliberately chosen because of its population density and the terrain were similar to the Soviet targets like Moscow.
01:55:17.000 I was just looking up something else.
01:55:20.000 Did you know about this? 0.98
01:55:22.000 Why the fuck did Dan Rather and Donald Rumsfeld buy a New Mexico ranch together in 1981? 0.98
01:55:28.000 That's the same year he was promoted to news anchor at CBS Evening News. 0.99
01:55:32.000 Oh.
01:55:33.000 Good lord.
01:55:33.000 And it's also right next door to the Epstein ranch in New Mexico.
01:55:37.000 And Epstein famously got that to be close to Los Alamos, right?
01:55:37.000 Right.
01:55:42.000 So he could lure those scientists over with pussy. 1.00
01:55:47.000 Unbelievable. 1.00
01:55:47.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:55:48.000 But I mean, like, you go back through history, this is.
01:55:51.000 Everybody's like, oh, the COVID was crazy.
01:55:53.000 It's not new.
01:55:54.000 It's just we hadn't experienced it so blatantly before because they had never tried something like that during the age of social media.
01:56:01.000 Yeah.
01:56:02.000 And they used a playbook that relied on putting a letter in the mail or sending a telegram.
01:56:07.000 They used a playbook also that required having control over the narratives that were being pushed out by the media.
01:56:07.000 Yeah.
01:56:14.000 Yeah.
01:56:15.000 And the media had lost its luster, lost its impact on people.
01:56:18.000 At the same time, the rise of podcasts had happened kind of under the radar and they didn't recognize it, they missed it.
01:56:25.000 They just overestimated their position.
01:56:28.000 Yeah.
01:56:28.000 And during COVID, you had more viewers than CNN, even.
01:56:32.000 Not only that, when they turned me green and all that cancellation, I gained 2 million followers on Spotify in a month.
01:56:40.000 Wow.
01:56:40.000 Yeah.
01:56:41.000 Wow.
01:56:42.000 People were just like, what is going on that everybody's trying to cancel this guy?
01:56:45.000 Like, what is he doing?
01:56:46.000 And then they'd listen and go, oh, it's just a show where they talk to people.
01:56:51.000 What are they trying to hide from us?
01:56:53.000 And then you have guys on like Dr. Peter McCullough and Robert Malone and all these different people that are.
01:56:59.000 Peter McCullough is the most published doctor in history, in human history, in his particular field of study. 0.93
01:57:07.000 And they were trying to make him out to be a quack.
01:57:09.000 And then you see what they did with Jay Bhattacharya and all these different people.
01:57:13.000 And one of those guys was the inventor of mRNA Robert Malone.
01:57:17.000 He has nine patents on the creation of mRNA technology.
01:57:22.000 And he should never be out there telling people that it might not be safe. 0.98
01:57:25.000 Not only that, he took it and had a fucking serious, horrible reaction where he almost died. 0.99
01:57:32.000 Yeah, which is what prompted him to try to figure out what the fuck is going on. 0.99
01:57:32.000 Really? 0.99
01:57:36.000 Because he was assured by everyone that it stayed local, it's not going to cause massive inflammation and myocarditis and all these different things that it eventually was absolutely causing.
01:57:49.000 And then they're trying to hide now the impact that it's had on children.
01:57:54.000 The impact that it's had on children that took it and what giant percentage of them that died after taking it died within days of the injection.
01:58:04.000 And they're trying to ignore the signal.
01:58:06.000 And there's so many gaslighters all over Twitter.
01:58:08.000 There's people that are paid to gaslight on Twitter.
01:58:11.000 That's a fact.
01:58:13.000 There's pharmaceutical drug companies, just like a lot of other companies, will pay people to post.
01:58:18.000 They'll pay people to attack.
01:58:20.000 They'll pay people to be the voice of authority and reason so you can assure all the brainwashed boomers that they're right all along and everything's fine. 0.59
01:58:29.000 And if you just look at basic manipulation and mind control, the number one fear of human beings is supposedly public speaking, right?
01:58:29.000 Yeah.
01:58:42.000 But that's not it.
01:58:43.000 It's the judgment that might come from public speaking.
01:58:45.000 It's not the being on stage.
01:58:47.000 It's like, is somebody going to judge me?
01:58:49.000 Am I going to get ostracized?
01:58:51.000 So the way that they control a lot of this and gaslight people is to use the fear of social punishment and social enforcement.
01:59:00.000 And if I can get one celebrity to go out there and call these people a name and just give them a name as if it's a group of people, like anti vaxxer, conspiracy theorist, dragon believer.
01:59:15.000 That kind of thing.
01:59:16.000 We give it a name, and that makes it easier for other people to socially enforce.
01:59:21.000 And it comes from an authority figure. 0.98
01:59:23.000 So you get the tribe involved, and all you got to do is fuck up a few people. 0.99
01:59:30.000 Yep. 0.99
01:59:31.000 Like Robert Malone.
01:59:33.000 And they're like, hey, I can take this guy down.
01:59:36.000 What do you think I'm going to do to you?
01:59:38.000 Yeah.
01:59:39.000 And you just get that fear out there, and that's all you need to do.
01:59:42.000 And you kind of gaslight people because now I'm scared enough, but I won't say I'm scared.
01:59:47.000 I'll say, nah, I'd rather not just say my opinion.
01:59:50.000 So now my identity gets tied into it.
01:59:52.000 Now it's part of who I am.
01:59:53.000 I'm just not going to say anything.
01:59:55.000 And it gets normalized.
01:59:56.000 Like the absolute, just let me mute myself and tape my mouth shut so I don't get punished.
02:00:03.000 And then there's a bunch of people that attack and do the work for the man because they don't want to be lumped in with the other side.
02:00:09.000 So they'll go on social media and call the anti vaxxers plague rats and all these different things. 1.00
02:00:16.000 And also say the wildest shit. 1.00
02:00:18.000 Like their children should be taken from them, they should be locked up, isolated from society. 1.00
02:00:23.000 And this is something called category warfare.
02:00:25.000 Have you ever heard of this?
02:00:27.000 I know the expression.
02:00:29.000 This guy, I can't remember his name, he wrote a book called Women, Fire, and Dangerous Things.
02:00:35.000 It was the first language categories that we had for language women, fire, and dangerous stuff.
02:00:41.000 I think his name was Lakin, George Lakin, or Lakoff.
02:00:46.000 But if I frame something using a category, I can change what the allowed behavior is.
02:00:52.000 So if I say that me and this other person are having a disagreement, Your brain automatically has a list of what a disagreement is and what's acceptable.
02:01:00.000 But if I say we're having a fight, now there's new stuff on the table.
02:01:05.000 And all I did was change how something is defined in your brain.
02:01:08.000 And we don't consciously process that our brain is getting permission to do things because of a category.
02:01:15.000 But if I say I've been at war with these people for a long time, now a war is way different.
02:01:21.000 Or if I say, like, I disagree with Rogan, that's one thing.
02:01:24.000 But if I say Rogan is a threat, What do we do to something that's a threat, right?
02:01:29.000 We have to neutralize a threat.
02:01:31.000 So just small words like that change what our brain says is permissible in that moment.
02:01:37.000 And that is really what's going on here.
02:01:39.000 So actually, two layers.
02:01:41.000 If I can go into this for a second.
02:01:42.000 Sure.
02:01:43.000 Number one is this category.
02:01:45.000 Let me just get a category out there to make your brain think one thing is permissible.
02:01:49.000 The second thing is I create the idea in such a way that you get to feel morally superior for adopting it.
02:01:57.000 And you don't have to have any new morals or anything else.
02:01:59.000 You just have to adopt this idea and you get to feel better than other people.
02:02:04.000 And that's it.
02:02:05.000 So it changed the category.
02:02:06.000 It means I can do something differently.
02:02:09.000 In a legal argument, if somebody says we're at war with the other side, this is my opponent instead of the other person, what do we do with an opponent?
02:02:18.000 We have to take them down.
02:02:19.000 It's a fight.
02:02:20.000 There's a winner. 0.83
02:02:20.000 There's a loser. 0.83
02:02:21.000 There's always assumed competition there.
02:02:26.000 That is one of the biggest things that I hope everybody can look out for as the influence psyops expert.
02:02:34.000 I'm not immune to any of this stuff. 0.99
02:02:37.000 I buy stupid shit off of an Instagram ad as much as the next person. 0.99
02:02:43.000 But it's important to know when something is clearly presented to you and it's easy to feel emotional about it, you're being manipulated. 1.00
02:02:53.000 Something's clearly presented and it's just like, here's this one thing and it's really clean and it's easy to get pissed off about or it's easy to feel comfortable about or whatever it is.
02:03:03.000 If the emotional thing is easy without having to dig into it, you're being manipulated.
02:03:08.000 And that's a giant percentage of what most people consume.
02:03:13.000 It's yeah, all day long.
02:03:16.000 Yeah, and it's compounding.
02:03:21.000 So if I just consume a little bit, that's one thing, but now I get a little bit more, a little bit more, a little bit further into this rabbit hole.
02:03:29.000 And we get in these obviously, everyone says this online, but you get into these echo chamber of social media.
02:03:36.000 All of a sudden, you can find your people anywhere.
02:03:40.000 You can connect with your people.
02:03:43.000 If you like to make a knitted yarn vest for hamsters. 0.99
02:03:46.000 You can find other people that do shit like that. 0.98
02:03:49.000 So, back in the day, if you had a bad idea, you couldn't find a lot of other people that agreed with you. 0.99
02:03:57.000 And now it's easier to find people who agree with you when you have a shitty idea.
02:04:01.000 So, there's a niche, there's a whole separate niche.
02:04:04.000 And on top, while you're there getting told that your ideas are relevant and normal, they're not abnormal because there's so many other people, it normalizes bad ideas.
02:04:14.000 The second part of that is I'm with all these people, but then I'll go back to normal social media and all I get told all day is I'm right about those people.
02:04:22.000 I'm right about those people.
02:04:23.000 I'm right about those people.
02:04:24.000 And it's just, it is so sick.
02:04:27.000 And which goes back to what we were first talking about how performative our world is and like how all of us conceal the shame so much that we can't ever be seen by anybody.
02:04:38.000 Like we'll go to the grave and feel like my wife has never even seen who I truly am.
02:04:44.000 You know?
02:04:46.000 And then the other thing that's nuts is people have this complete inability to admit when they're wrong or change course.
02:04:53.000 They have connected themselves, they've connected their whole being to whatever their thoughts are, whatever this thing that they've agreed is real.
02:05:04.000 And once they've defended it, they never want to go back and objectively look at it and go, wait a minute.
02:05:12.000 Oh, I believe this and that's not the case.
02:05:15.000 Oh, this is the case.
02:05:17.000 Oh, I'm wrong.
02:05:18.000 Oh, no.
02:05:19.000 I got to course correct.
02:05:21.000 No.
02:05:22.000 They dig in and they try to find other echo chambers that agree with their initial position.
02:05:27.000 And other people that, and there's plenty of people that provide those services for you.
02:05:31.000 There's plenty of people.
02:05:32.000 If you want to live in your echo chamber, plenty of people, real and digital, that will provide you this escape from your ability to learn and grow.
02:05:41.000 And a sycophantic AI will do, will help you.
02:05:44.000 Oh, they're the best.
02:05:45.000 They'll tell you, you're wonderful, darling.
02:05:46.000 You're doing the best.
02:05:47.000 I always tell people, you're not your ideas.
02:05:50.000 And it's one of the most important things that I've ever learned.
02:05:52.000 You cannot be married to your ideas.
02:05:54.000 Your ideas are just ideas.
02:05:55.000 Ideas. 0.99
02:05:56.000 And as soon as you defend them, and as soon as you connect yourself to them, and as soon as you connect your identity to them, you're in a fucking trap. 0.97
02:06:06.000 You're in a real trap, and it's very hard to get out without admitting defeat. 0.96
02:06:11.000 Most people don't want to admit defeat.
02:06:13.000 That's how they look at it.
02:06:14.000 It's like a battle for their existential existence.
02:06:18.000 Their existence is completely tied into their belief system.
02:06:22.000 Yeah.
02:06:24.000 And we call that cognitive dissonance, right? 1.00
02:06:27.000 So I either have to say, I'm a dumbass, or Those other people are stupid. 1.00
02:06:32.000 So, like when Biden won the election, it was the same thing. 1.00
02:06:32.000 Right. 1.00
02:06:36.000 People on the right either had to admit, wow, I'm stupid and I underestimated what our country's doing, or the other people are just idiots and they don't know what's going on. 1.00
02:06:43.000 Same thing happened when Trump got elected. 1.00
02:06:46.000 Either like the whole country is stupid, or I have to admit that I didn't know what was going on and I'm out of touch a little bit. 0.99
02:06:53.000 And maybe there's something good. 1.00
02:06:55.000 I'll just say they're all stupid. 1.00
02:06:58.000 Protecting our identity is so ingrained into us, it's the ego thing. 1.00
02:07:04.000 I don't want to be wrong.
02:07:06.000 And if I am wrong and I'm wrong in public, then I risk ostracism again.
02:07:11.000 So it's like getting kicked out of the tribe again.
02:07:14.000 It's going back to the same fear.
02:07:15.000 And people love to do that too.
02:07:16.000 They love to attack people if they're wrong, love to destroy people and ruin all credibility that they've ever had.
02:07:25.000 You could have been a public figure for 10 years, putting out great information. 0.65
02:07:30.000 You fuck one thing up, people want to ban you forever, especially if you don't admit it. 0.92
02:07:35.000 Especially. 0.99
02:07:36.000 Oh, you're running for office?
02:07:37.000 What about that?
02:07:38.000 You took a nude when you were 19. 0.61
02:07:40.000 You took a naked photo. 1.00
02:07:41.000 What the fuck? 1.00
02:07:44.000 And that goes back to everyone's pretending like everyone else has got their shit figured out. 1.00
02:07:49.000 And that's why everyone thinks everybody's got it figured out, and I'm pretending. 0.98
02:07:53.000 I'm the one hiding everything. 1.00
02:07:55.000 Everyone's got that shit. 1.00
02:07:57.000 Everyone who thinks, oh, they're going to find out my skeleton. 1.00
02:07:59.000 Everybody's got skeletons in their claws.
02:08:01.000 Everybody's got stuff like that.
02:08:03.000 And we're in the age where we're comparing ourselves to highlight reels and, you know, Dr. Phil talks about this all the time.
02:08:12.000 But we have to realize that people want you to be human. 1.00
02:08:20.000 And we don't enjoy fake shit. 0.99
02:08:23.000 This is why people are attracted to your podcast. 0.99
02:08:25.000 This is why stuff that's real is trending so much more now.
02:08:30.000 We're attracted to things that are human and flawed. 0.99
02:08:33.000 That's why we buy shit that says handmade on it. 0.99
02:08:36.000 We don't buy, like, oh, machine made. 0.99
02:08:39.000 No one celebrates that, right?
02:08:40.000 We like the humanness of things.
02:08:44.000 And even when I say there's a loneliness epidemic going on right now, everyone will nod their head and no one will raise their hand.
02:08:51.000 Everyone will say, oh, yeah, it's affecting all those people.
02:08:55.000 But no one will say, it's affecting me.
02:08:56.000 But they'll all nod along.
02:08:58.000 And I think we're getting to a place where maybe we're coming out of that.
02:09:04.000 Maybe it's me, maybe it's my echo chamber, but I feel like people are waking up.
02:09:08.000 I feel like more people, not just through COVID, but just now, just the way the world is, they're like, well, you know what?
02:09:16.000 This doesn't really feel, it doesn't really.
02:09:18.000 It feels weird for me to hate and feel hatred towards one of my neighbors who didn't vote like I did.
02:09:24.000 That feels weird.
02:09:25.000 Just to hate someone for that reason.
02:09:25.000 Yeah.
02:09:28.000 I think people are waking up that maybe the plan is going too fast.
02:09:32.000 Maybe they're taking it too quickly.
02:09:35.000 They're trying to go through all these steps too fast is what it feels like to me.
02:09:38.000 Well, also, I don't think they're competent.
02:09:41.000 I don't think they're good at it.
02:09:43.000 And that's part of the problem.
02:09:44.000 Good at what?
02:09:45.000 Good at projecting narratives.
02:09:48.000 I don't think the people that are necessarily in charge of propaganda, at least people at a government level, I don't think they're particularly slick.
02:09:57.000 No.
02:09:58.000 And that's part of the problem with all this.
02:10:00.000 It's like when you're at a middle school sleepover and the dad comes in trying to be cool.
02:10:03.000 It's like, hey, kids, what are you guys doing? 1.00
02:10:06.000 That's the government trying to run this shit. 1.00
02:10:08.000 This is when you get syringes dancing on stage on a late night TV show. 1.00
02:10:12.000 Right.
02:10:13.000 That was nuts.
02:10:15.000 Well, it's also a person who seems completely insincere.
02:10:22.000 You know, that version of him, it's weird because the version of him that was on the Daily Show was awesome.
02:10:29.000 Like it was this caricature.
02:10:31.000 And irreverent.
02:10:32.000 And it was raw and irreverent.
02:10:32.000 Yeah.
02:10:34.000 But you realize, oh, that was just really good writers.
02:10:34.000 Yeah.
02:10:37.000 Yeah. 0.61
02:10:38.000 They have really good writers that created a fun Republican character that was a buffoon, but like a hilarious buffoon.
02:10:47.000 And then he went and did a TV show, and you're like, oh, the real you is weird.
02:10:47.000 Yeah.
02:10:56.000 But I think our saving grace is what you're talking about is that they suck at this.
02:11:01.000 Like, when your teacher announces there's going to be a pizza party and expects everybody to be super freaking out about it, like, yeah, it's pizza.
02:11:10.000 But the government's like, hey, guess what we got for you?
02:11:12.000 Yeah.
02:11:13.000 We got this new data coming out, this new data.
02:11:16.000 And the psyops are working less because of the spread of information.
02:11:20.000 So people say, oh, social media is bad.
02:11:22.000 You shouldn't be on social media.
02:11:24.000 Well, some of that is what's exposing this stuff.
02:11:27.000 Yes. 0.99
02:11:28.000 And we have people out there that are like you, and I'm not kissing your ass here, but you're willing to say shit that sounds preposterous at the beginning of something and just make an observation that's real. 0.99
02:11:42.000 And you're willing to just. 0.98
02:11:44.000 The way that I phrase this in a lot of our training at my training that is called NCI, the way that we phrase this is like the first ingredient of confidence is.
02:11:55.000 The willingness to receive social injury.
02:11:59.000 And we need more of that.
02:12:00.000 We need more people willing to receive social injury.
02:12:03.000 Well, the position that I was in during the COVID thing was very unique.
02:12:09.000 So it was almost easy for me because I had already gotten such a head start.
02:12:16.000 I was so far ahead of them.
02:12:17.000 And they didn't realize that my ability to say, wait, this doesn't make any sense.
02:12:23.000 Like, none of this makes any sense.
02:12:24.000 And also, why am I green?
02:12:26.000 And also, why are you guys lying?
02:12:28.000 Why are you lying about all sorts of different things? 0.96
02:12:30.000 Why are you measuring troponin levels when you're talking about myocarditis and not the actual scans of people's hearts when you realize young people are getting legitimately fucked up from this vaccine? 0.87
02:12:41.000 Not all of them, but some of them. 0.86
02:12:42.000 Why aren't you looking at that?
02:12:43.000 How come you guys aren't looking at vaccine injuries?
02:12:46.000 It seems like a significant thing that people are talking about.
02:12:49.000 You got soccer players dropping dead in the middle of the field and no one's bringing that up.
02:12:54.000 You're trying to gaslight us into thinking that that doesn't make any sense.
02:12:58.000 I was in a.
02:12:59.000 Unique position to be able to do that because I had like almost like quietly snuck up to this and had this large audience that they weren't aware of.
02:13:13.000 Yeah.
02:13:13.000 So when it happened, it was just, it was just like I couldn't do anything other than what I did.
02:13:20.000 I had to just keep doing it the way I did it.
02:13:22.000 And it was, the blowback was crazy.
02:13:25.000 They tried to crush my sponsors, they organized campaigns, there was PACs involved.
02:13:30.000 It was, there was really, oh yeah.
02:13:32.000 Oh yeah.
02:13:33.000 Thank, God, I was on Spotify.
02:13:35.000 And thank God Spotify is not an American company.
02:13:38.000 And also, it helped that I was number one in like 90 countries and not number 90 in one country.
02:13:45.000 Yeah.
02:13:46.000 That helped.
02:13:47.000 That helped a lot.
02:13:47.000 Yeah.
02:13:48.000 The size of it was so big that as big as they were, they're like, oh.
02:13:56.000 And then there's the Streisand thing.
02:13:58.000 You try to silence something, you're just going to make it bigger.
02:14:03.000 If they had kicked me off of Spotify and I had to go to Rumble, it would have just blown Rumble's stock up and it would have helped everybody.
02:14:10.000 Yeah. 0.99
02:14:11.000 I didn't know that there was that much shit going on in your life. 0.99
02:14:14.000 I can't even talk about it, but there were presidents involved and former presidents involved that were contacting Spotify. 0.99
02:14:21.000 Oh, yeah.
02:14:22.000 Oh, yeah, trying to get me removed for vaccine misinformation.
02:14:22.000 Yeah.
02:14:27.000 Wow.
02:14:27.000 It turned out to be right.
02:14:27.000 Yeah.
02:14:29.000 All of it. 0.99
02:14:30.000 Not a single fucking apologize. 0.98
02:14:32.000 Interviewing the dude that invented mRNA. 0.98
02:14:34.000 Oh, yeah.
02:14:35.000 And the most published doctor in his field.
02:14:37.000 Not a single apology.
02:14:38.000 Not a single apology from anybody.
02:14:40.000 Not a single retraction.
02:14:41.000 Not a single, you know, mea culpa.
02:14:44.000 Not a single, we were wrong.
02:14:47.000 And, you know, I lost a lot of sponsors.
02:14:49.000 I lost a lot during those days.
02:14:52.000 It was interesting.
02:14:54.000 There was a time.
02:14:55.000 Where it was working.
02:14:58.000 Wow.
02:14:59.000 Yeah.
02:15:00.000 I didn't know there was that much coordination.
02:15:01.000 Oh, there was a lot of coordination.
02:15:03.000 Oh, people are going to be.
02:15:05.000 I don't talk about it too much because it's pretty deep.
02:15:10.000 It was nuts, but it didn't work, right?
02:15:12.000 But they tried, and they tried it a lot.
02:15:15.000 They spent a lot of money.
02:15:17.000 A lot of money.
02:15:20.000 It wasn't a small amount of money, it wasn't a small amount of people.
02:15:23.000 It was a lot of people and a lot of money.
02:15:26.000 Good Lord.
02:15:27.000 Yeah.
02:15:27.000 That part was spooky.
02:15:29.000 But the turning my face green was hilarious.
02:15:32.000 That didn't bother me at all.
02:15:33.000 It's good.
02:15:34.000 It's also, I'm a comedian.
02:15:36.000 You know what I mean? 1.00
02:15:36.000 Like, I'm a shit talker. 1.00
02:15:38.000 Like, that's what I do. 1.00
02:15:39.000 If you talk shit to me, it's like, you're not going to hurt my feelings that much. 0.99
02:15:42.000 It's like, I'm used to it. 1.00
02:15:43.000 It's normal.
02:15:44.000 It's a part of the game that I play.
02:15:47.000 So, you know, especially if you're doing it and there's a video that's the real video that's available for anybody that goes on my Instagram page. 1.00
02:15:55.000 Like, fucking retards. 1.00
02:15:57.000 Like, what are you saying? 1.00
02:15:58.000 It's a stupid checker move. 1.00
02:15:58.000 It is crazy. 1.00
02:16:01.000 It's so dumb. 0.99
02:16:02.000 And I think that what we see as authority hasn't changed in 200,000 years. 0.98
02:16:08.000 But I think that what we consider to be social authority has been modified, just kind of in the human side of things.
02:16:16.000 Yeah.
02:16:17.000 Like it used to be oh, this guy's got a suit and tie on.
02:16:20.000 Now all these CEOs are wearing a hoodie or a t shirt or something.
02:16:25.000 Like the visual definition of authority has changed, and the social definition of authority has started to change now.
02:16:34.000 Where it used to be mainstream news, and now we're moving into like a post news era of something.
02:16:41.000 I don't know what the next thing's going to be.
02:16:42.000 I mean, what Elon always says is, you are the news now.
02:16:45.000 And the rise of independent journalists and what you have, what you're selling, what is your currency is authenticity and honesty.
02:16:58.000 And as long as you don't break from that, as long as people don't find out, oh, he's secretly getting all this money from AIPAC, he's secretly getting all this money from Russia, secretly getting all this money.
02:17:08.000 And, you know, oh, there's meetings where they've had, where they've told people what narratives to push.
02:17:15.000 And then you see people on Twitter that are, you know, supposedly new influencers.
02:17:20.000 And then you see them almost cut and paste the exact same message over and over again.
02:17:25.000 And then you find out, oh, there's actual campaigns where you're paid large sums of money.
02:17:31.000 If you have a large following, large sums of money, like a significant amount of money to be a person who pushes narratives online.
02:17:38.000 That's your job.
02:17:39.000 You are literally a paid propagandist.
02:17:41.000 And once people find that out, you're going to lose a lot of your people that are paying attention to you, that take you seriously.
02:17:49.000 But there's going to be enough that don't know about it, that just see the tweet and, like, oh my God, is that true?
02:17:55.000 Like, oh my God, that's crazy.
02:17:56.000 And enough casuals where you're going to get some traction.
02:17:59.000 But you have sacrificed the one thing that you need to survive in this environment.
02:18:05.000 And that's authenticity and honesty. 1.00
02:18:07.000 If you don't have those two things, you're fucked. 0.99
02:18:10.000 Because when the mind reading software gets uploaded and everybody knows. 1.00
02:18:17.000 You and me would be all right.
02:18:19.000 Yeah. 1.00
02:18:21.000 They would probably look in some of our brains and go, dude, you're fucked up. 1.00
02:18:25.000 But you're fucked up too. 1.00
02:18:26.000 Everybody's fucked up. 1.00
02:18:27.000 We're all fucked up. 1.00
02:18:27.000 It's like, how do you behave? 1.00
02:18:29.000 What do you do? 0.99
02:18:30.000 How do you manage your fucked up-itness? 0.99
02:18:33.000 What do you do? 0.99
02:18:34.000 What do you do with your time?
02:18:35.000 What do you do with your life?
02:18:37.000 We're going to know.
02:18:37.000 Yeah.
02:18:38.000 We're going to know.
02:18:39.000 Yeah.
02:18:40.000 And we're going to know a lot of people online are just demons.
02:18:43.000 They're just demons, like in the real sense of the term.
02:18:47.000 Like if you thought of what, if you had a demon, If you were a demon, if actual demons were real, what would they be doing?
02:18:56.000 What would they be doing?
02:18:57.000 Well, they would most certainly be trying to ruin people's lives.
02:19:02.000 They would most certainly be trying to spread hate, spread misinformation, confuse people.
02:19:08.000 Get you to compare yourself to other people.
02:19:10.000 Oh, yeah. 0.98
02:19:10.000 Destroy you psychologically. 0.98
02:19:12.000 Get you to take medications that you don't need.
02:19:15.000 Make you think that you're not enough.
02:19:16.000 Yeah.
02:19:17.000 Yeah.
02:19:17.000 Make you think you're not enough.
02:19:19.000 Take money.
02:19:20.000 To ignore and sacrifice other people's health and safety just for whatever financial compensation you've got, you've been given to push a narrative.
02:19:30.000 It's demonic.
02:19:30.000 Yeah.
02:19:30.000 Yeah.
02:19:31.000 And it's separation.
02:19:33.000 All of that is like you are separate from these people.
02:19:35.000 They don't matter.
02:19:36.000 You shouldn't care about them.
02:19:37.000 You are separate.
02:19:38.000 There are different things.
02:19:39.000 You're not connected.
02:19:40.000 You're not the same thing.
02:19:41.000 And that's how people justify bombings.
02:19:43.000 You know, that's how people justify war.
02:19:43.000 Yeah.
02:19:45.000 That's how people justify all sorts of horrific behavior that human beings still engage in.
02:19:50.000 What did George Carlin say?
02:19:51.000 I think he said, uh, Conspiracy is not required when interests all align.
02:19:56.000 Right.
02:19:57.000 That's a great quote.
02:19:58.000 Yeah.
02:19:59.000 He had so many bangers.
02:19:59.000 That's a great quote.
02:20:00.000 He said it's a big fucking club. 1.00
02:20:02.000 Yep. 1.00
02:20:03.000 You're not in it.
02:20:03.000 And you're not in it.
02:20:04.000 He had so many bangers.
02:20:05.000 Yeah, he did.
02:20:06.000 But there's a few people that are in the club.
02:20:08.000 That's what's interesting. 1.00
02:20:09.000 You know, there's a few people that get in that fucking club. 0.99
02:20:12.000 And, you know, and then all of a sudden their opinions change. 1.00
02:20:15.000 All of a sudden they soften up on stances or they get killed on a campus.
02:20:15.000 Yeah.
02:20:21.000 Have you had somebody on your show that you thought was compromised?
02:20:23.000 Oh, yeah.
02:20:24.000 You have to name names.
02:20:25.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:20:26.000 100%.
02:20:27.000 I've had people on my show that I guarantee are here to try to push a narrative.
02:20:32.000 Yeah, 100%.
02:20:33.000 No doubt.
02:20:34.000 And my own, you know, I think in some cases it's obvious.
02:20:39.000 And my job is to just keep them talking and let the internet do its job.
02:20:44.000 Can I teach you a tactic right now?
02:20:46.000 That will be good for these people.
02:20:46.000 Sure.
02:20:47.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00
02:20:48.000 All right. 1.00
02:20:48.000 How much time do we have? 1.00
02:20:49.000 We've got time.
02:20:50.000 All right.
02:20:50.000 Okay.
02:20:51.000 So this is a CIA method.
02:20:54.000 Called elicitation.
02:20:57.000 And it was invented by this guy, John Nolan.
02:20:59.000 And so the basic premise is you're going to get more, the more sensitive information you need out of a person, the less questions you should be asking.
02:21:10.000 So here's how it works you can get sensitive information out of people better with statements than questions.
02:21:18.000 So there's a few different types of these statements.
02:21:21.000 So the first one is called a provocative statement.
02:21:24.000 And a provocative statement is just making a commentary on what somebody said.
02:21:28.000 So let's say I just went through X and Y and Z, and you're like, so basically, and then you kind of recap what I said.
02:21:34.000 Right.
02:21:35.000 And so no question.
02:21:36.000 And then I'll kind of, yeah, and so I'll kind of keep giving you a little bit more information.
02:21:42.000 The second is triggering a need to correct the record.
02:21:47.000 So let's say you and I are in a grocery store, and I say, Joe, let's say you don't get recognized.
02:21:54.000 Let's say go over there. 0.91
02:21:55.000 I want you to, within 60 seconds, I want you to find out how much the girl that's stocking the shelf over there makes per hour. 1.00
02:22:03.000 So you might go over there and be like, hey, how much do you make an hour? 0.67
02:22:05.000 But instantly you're weird.
02:22:06.000 And that feels like an interrogation, right?
02:22:09.000 But if you went over there and you said, Hey, I just read this article, everybody that works at Whole Foods got bumped up to $26 an hour.
02:22:16.000 That's fantastic.
02:22:17.000 And she's like, What?
02:22:17.000 Congratulations.
02:22:22.000 We only make $22.
02:22:24.000 And now she doesn't feel interrogated.
02:22:27.000 And the answer came from correcting the record.
02:22:29.000 Does that make sense?
02:22:31.000 Yes.
02:22:32.000 So now you're not a weirdo who's asking how much she makes.
02:22:35.000 Yeah.
02:22:35.000 So now you got the sensitive information and it felt like it was just an.
02:22:39.000 Flowing conversation.
02:22:41.000 So the third is disbelief.
02:22:44.000 So somebody says something and you don't get Jamie to pull up anything, but the disbelief is like they say, Oh, and I've even worked with X and Y and Z. I've done this one thing.
02:22:53.000 You're like, What?
02:22:54.000 There is no way.
02:22:56.000 That just sounds impossible.
02:22:58.000 And then they're like, No, no, and, and they'll keep going because there wasn't a question.
02:23:03.000 So imagine if someone started telling you something sensitive and you're like, Yeah, tell me more.
02:23:07.000 Tell me more about that.
02:23:08.000 It seems like you're kind of wanting to pull things out.
02:23:12.000 So, the more that you can use statements, the more they're just going to keep feeling completely comfortable giving you stuff.
02:23:18.000 What's interesting is I don't know those methods, but I do all three of those.
02:23:22.000 You do a lot of that stuff.
02:23:23.000 Yeah.
02:23:24.000 I just wanted you to be able to consciously grab onto it.
02:23:26.000 I just do it instinctively.
02:23:28.000 Yeah.
02:23:29.000 I've seen you do it many times. 0.99
02:23:31.000 When I smell bullshit, my instinct is going, hold on. 0.98
02:23:34.000 So, what you're saying is, and you just give a touch of incredulity, just a little bit of skepticism. 0.99
02:23:42.000 Yeah.
02:23:43.000 And then allow them to kind of like expand on it and go, okay, so you're saying that this, all right, so are you sure that that's the case?
02:23:52.000 Because a lot of people think this.
02:23:55.000 No, no, no.
02:23:57.000 And I do it sort of naturally.
02:23:59.000 Yeah.
02:24:00.000 Because the most important thing is to listen as much as possible and keep them talking.
02:24:05.000 And don't interrupt too much.
02:24:08.000 But sometimes you have to.
02:24:09.000 Sometimes you have to, like, you're pushing, hold on. 0.99
02:24:13.000 This is horseshit. 0.98
02:24:14.000 Like, this is like, I'm going to get grilled for this online if I don't, like, stop this right dead in its tracks because I know and you know that you're lying. 0.99
02:24:24.000 Yeah.
02:24:24.000 So let's, and then, but you also got to, like, keep them on the hook.
02:24:28.000 So, like, you don't want to submit them yet.
02:24:31.000 You got to, like, oh, look, you got out of the arm bar.
02:24:34.000 Crazy.
02:24:35.000 And a couple of those, you make them correct you and you also say, like, well, that had to be challenging or that sounds fascinating.
02:24:41.000 And just those tiny little comments that just kind of keep them pulling along. 0.65
02:24:45.000 The Russians did this to America during the Cold War.
02:24:51.000 A submarine would pull into Singapore or Thailand or something, and one of the some KGB guy would go up.
02:24:56.000 There's some 19 year old sailor at a bar and say, like, well, we just Russia already has all these specs, and it's amazing that Russian submarines are faster than U.S. submarines because our propellers are 19 feet wide.
02:25:10.000 And the sailors are like, yeah, ours are 21.
02:25:12.000 Like, just correcting the record.
02:25:16.000 Just a tiny little thing, correcting the record, and some 19 year old kid gives away top secret information in 35 seconds.
02:25:23.000 Wow.
02:25:25.000 So that's where this stuff came about.
02:25:28.000 And when you're like a, if you work in the nuclear field, you have a top secret clearance.
02:25:33.000 You have to go through anti elicitation training before you leave the country and go spend time with some foreign national company. 0.99
02:25:39.000 God, I hope so. 1.00
02:25:41.000 Yeah.
02:25:42.000 And you know what the number one thing?
02:25:43.000 In the first day of counterintelligence school, the first thing they say is if you're a four and she's a 10 and she's interested in you, she's a spy. 1.00
02:25:57.000 That is the most primal and effective of all tactics hot women. 1.00
02:26:02.000 It is. 1.00
02:26:03.000 And also, we see with James O'Keefe. 1.00
02:26:06.000 Chatty gay guys. 1.00
02:26:07.000 You see a lot of like hot guys. 0.98
02:26:10.000 Yeah, you get chatty gay guys give up a lot of data. 0.77
02:26:12.000 Yeah. 1.00
02:26:13.000 They give up a lot of fucking information. 1.00
02:26:16.000 Way more than I would ever think. 1.00
02:26:17.000 Oh, it seems like the chatty gay guys are worse even than the guys that are trying to impress the women. 1.00
02:26:22.000 Yeah. 1.00
02:26:22.000 Yeah. 1.00
02:26:24.000 I wonder how far they have to go. 1.00
02:26:25.000 I wonder how many guys they have to sleep with. 0.96
02:26:28.000 I wonder, I mean, for sure, there's been a straight guy or two unless they recruit gay guys for the job, you know? 0.97
02:26:28.000 I don't want to know. 0.97
02:26:38.000 Because gay guys wouldn't feel nearly as bad for having sex with another gay guy to get information out of them, I think, than a woman would. 1.00
02:26:46.000 A woman would feel like a whore. 1.00
02:26:48.000 You know, a man who fucks some other guy that he'd probably fuck anyway. 1.00
02:26:55.000 It's probably no big deal. 0.99
02:26:57.000 You know, guys don't feel as bad about that.
02:27:00.000 And have you ever read Red Queen?
02:27:02.000 It's about biological behavior.
02:27:02.000 No.
02:27:04.000 It talks about like adultery in females occurs during ovulation most of the time.
02:27:09.000 Really?
02:27:10.000 Fascinating stuff in there.
02:27:12.000 But one of them was that women are reluctant about sexual activity because they face the risk of raising a child alone.
02:27:22.000 And it's not a conscious thing.
02:27:25.000 But like there's some biological driver that says, if I am not careful here, I'm going to be stuck with this child alone.
02:27:32.000 And 200,000 years ago, if someone abandons you and you're pregnant and then you're raising a child on your own, you're kind of off the market.
02:27:42.000 And no one's bringing you meat, no one's bringing you.
02:27:44.000 You know, fish out of the river and all this kind of stuff.
02:27:47.000 So I thought that was interesting, and that may be one of the reasons that it might be easier for dudes to go do something like that.
02:27:55.000 Yeah.
02:27:56.000 Well, we'd have to ask James.
02:27:57.000 There's got to be a reason. 0.86
02:28:00.000 Well, it's also, I think, especially in politics, there's a large amount of in the closet gay guys that are in all sorts of levels of politics, all sorts of levels of government. 0.68
02:28:14.000 Yeah, I have no doubt. 0.77
02:28:16.000 I think it's been that way since Rome, though.
02:28:18.000 Oh, yeah.
02:28:19.000 Well, it's a very peculiar kind of person in the first place that wants to control all the other people.
02:28:19.000 Yeah.
02:28:27.000 Yeah, well, you know, the difference between today and Rome is the concealment of the shame about it.
02:28:31.000 And I think most people don't know the difference between shame and guilt.
02:28:36.000 I think shame is a destructive force, there's nothing good about it, there's nothing positive about it.
02:28:44.000 Guilt is focused on understanding the behavior, and shame is focused on the person, the identity of the person who did it. 0.84
02:28:53.000 And there's nothing productive like beating the shit out of yourself emotionally.
02:28:56.000 It does not make the other person who you've harmed any better. 0.90
02:28:59.000 It doesn't make the world any better.
02:29:01.000 It's down.
02:29:02.000 I made a video on my YouTube channel, basically giving a review and a tutorial of Planet Earth as if it was a video game.
02:29:11.000 And like.
02:29:11.000 What's that video called?
02:29:14.000 I think it's called Earth is a Game.
02:29:16.000 Ooh.
02:29:17.000 So it's basically like a 20 minute, like.
02:29:19.000 Without breaking character, I'm giving a review.
02:29:23.000 I'm actually in the game right now, and I'm making a tutorial and a review of this video game that we call Earth.
02:29:29.000 We call Earth.
02:29:31.000 And one of the things I said in the video is like the developers don't tell you like what the main goals are of the game.
02:29:38.000 Like, how do I get on the leaderboard?
02:29:40.000 What's the way that, how do you win?
02:29:42.000 And we went through like 10 different metrics.
02:29:44.000 But at the end of the day, I think what gets you on the leaderboard is were you an upward force on most people's lives that you encountered?
02:29:54.000 Did you leave people better than you found them?
02:29:56.000 And that's about it. 1.00
02:29:58.000 That's about fucking it. 0.99
02:29:59.000 Wow. 1.00
02:30:01.000 It's like, am I a downward force on other people?
02:30:03.000 Am I pushing people down constantly?
02:30:06.000 Or am I just doing something else?
02:30:09.000 And you remember, like, the moment you launch into DMT, you're like, oh my God, I was worried about taxes.
02:30:18.000 I'm 17 black holes away, and I was worried about my I 9 form or something.
02:30:22.000 I thought that was such a big deal.
02:30:24.000 And it's the same thing that people, like, I think if you want to learn the number one, and this is my rambling, but.
02:30:31.000 The number one lesson I think most people can learn is from people that are dying.
02:30:35.000 People on their deathbed.
02:30:36.000 There's no better book you could read about how to master this game, about how to get good at Earth, is reading the regrets of dying people.
02:30:45.000 Because there's so much clarity at these moments where you know you're going to die. 0.99
02:30:49.000 Like, oh my God, I thought all this shit. 0.99
02:30:51.000 I thought that Lexus, I thought I had to get the Lexus. 0.99
02:30:54.000 I had to impress everybody at the country club who didn't give a shit about me. 0.98
02:30:58.000 And I didn't spend time with my grandkids, I didn't spend time with my kids. 0.62
02:31:02.000 Like everything gets so crystal clear in those moments that I think those are the best books in the world.
02:31:07.000 Like, you've written, I think there's a lot of nurses that work in hospice that write, like, collect a lot of these things.
02:31:13.000 And it's just so much perspective on what we think is so important. 0.99
02:31:18.000 And then at that moment, like, oh my God, I can't believe I prioritize all that shit. 0.99
02:31:22.000 Absolutely. 0.99
02:31:23.000 I think this is a perfect way to end this.
02:31:24.000 Yeah, man.
02:31:25.000 That was awesome.
02:31:26.000 Thank you very much.
02:31:26.000 Okay.
02:31:27.000 So, Station One, is that what it is?
02:31:30.000 Channel One or Station One?
02:31:31.000 Station One on YouTube.
02:31:31.000 Station One.
02:31:33.000 And then your show is, what's the channel?
02:31:33.000 Yeah.
02:31:36.000 Or Chase Hughes on YouTube.
02:31:37.000 Chase Hughes and Station One.
02:31:39.000 Yeah.
02:31:39.000 Thank you very much, man.
02:31:40.000 Really appreciate it.
02:31:41.000 It's awesome.
02:31:42.000 It's really, really good stuff.
02:31:43.000 Thanks, man.
02:31:44.000 All right.
02:31:44.000 Thank you.
02:31:45.000 See ya.
02:31:45.000 Bye, everybody.