00:02:05.000And I did one pee break, but it's DMT, like the highest you can feel on DMT, like the most you can see on DMT, but it's five and a half hours of that.
00:02:19.000And the next time I go back, we're going to mix Alzheimer's drugs with this.
00:03:11.000It's like there is a protective layer there.
00:03:15.000It seems like it has to be because if there was anything that you experienced in the regular conscious state that was that profound, you would remember it forever.
00:03:23.000Just think of a great thing, just a UFC fight this weekend.
00:03:58.000I forget what he was, but a serious academic.
00:04:00.000And his, His position after I think he did like a hundred DMT trips, and his position was that this is all being concocted by your visual cortex and your brain and your imagination.
00:04:48.000And during the six hour journey experience, whatever you want to call it, at the end of, I mean, it's DMT, like you're, like it's just reality's gone.
00:05:01.000Like you, like everything, oh yeah, you see all this stuff that you think is real?
00:05:20.000Um, and coming toward the end of this experience, I was bawling, I was crying, and it just felt like I had to wrap myself in some kind of ego in order to just return back here.
00:05:37.000To come back, there's no way for me to come back and not have some little ego thing, and it made me so sad coming back that I just didn't want to come back at all.
00:05:56.000For people who don't know what I'm talking about, when the movie Avatar came out, it was so wonderful.
00:06:03.000These people seemed to live such a righteous, peaceful existence in the forest that people came back and they were depressed that they don't live in the Avatar world.
00:06:16.000It was like a psychological condition that was happening with so many different therapists that people started calling it.
00:07:14.000And I didn't even know she prayed over it.
00:07:17.000And the next day, and I'm not saying there's anything here, but when it started, the first thing that happened was like these alien beings or whatever kind of pinned me down on this table and ripped me open like.
00:07:28.000From pelvis all the way up to my neck, like all the way open.
00:07:32.000And I could hear my organs kind of moving around inside my body and they're doing something in me.
00:07:37.000And the second thing was they pushed my head back up on the table and this big drill bit went up inside my nose, like all the way to the back of my head.
00:10:44.000Like there's not eight feet inside of your brain.
00:10:47.000So kind of walk people in to show that everything that you would do.
00:10:50.000Like, not in a dream, like sitting here in the studio to prove that this pitcher of water is real, you could do identical, you could do everything in a dream that you would do in waking reality to prove that something is real.
00:11:04.000And then you realize that the distance between you and that thing is A, made up of consciousness, and B, doesn't exist.
00:11:45.000So if you look at a galaxy, it matches the shape of DNA.
00:11:50.000If you look at the toroidal shape of gravitational stuff, it matches the shape of a red blood cell.
00:11:55.000You look at an eyeball close up, it looks like a Like a nebula.
00:12:00.000And if we just look at as above, so below, like any of that is even remotely true, then dreams might tell us more than we think about what's going on here in this, what we call reality.
00:12:12.000Have you ever seen the comparison between the universe itself and human neural tissue?
00:13:13.000It might be that the entire infinite universe that doesn't have an end is actually a part of a cell that's in another being, that's in an infinite universe that has no end, that's actually just a part of a cell, that's in a part of an infinite, and it goes on and on and on.
00:14:17.000So, if there's hundreds of billions of galaxies just in the known universe, and every one of those galaxies has a supermassive black hole inside of it, in the center of it, you go through that and you are in hundreds of billions of new galaxies, all with black holes.
00:14:35.000And then you go into those fucking universes and you find creatures with brains and you get to their brain and their brain looks like a universe.
00:14:43.000And if you get Closer and closer and closer, you might see hundreds of billions of galaxies, each with black holes inside their fucking brain cells.
00:15:01.000It's not like there's us and then we are a part of a brain cell of a creature.
00:15:05.000No, we're a part of a brain cell that's a part of a creature that's a part of a universe that's a part of a brain cell that's a creature that's a part of a universe.
00:15:19.000We need less certainty about this shit.
00:15:21.000There's so many people who are like, oh, I have this figured out.
00:15:24.000What you said about coming back from the DMT trip about how your ego tries to kind of reclaim reality for you, I think that is a genuine problem with human beings today in which they cling to ideologies, to political parties, to ethics, morals, religion, whatever it is that they connect themselves to inseparably.
00:17:04.000And if you just look at like one little sciencey thing, like that's weird, like quantum entanglement, and then somebody says, we can't explain how this is like faster than light or anything.
00:17:15.000Well, we can explain it if we go to a dream and then say the distance doesn't exist.
00:18:48.000And it was the storm, like miraculously, just passed us.
00:18:54.000Like there were all these weather warnings.
00:18:56.000At one point in time, the fight was supposed to start at 8 p.m., and at one point in time, one of the weather experts wanted us to start at 10 30.
00:19:07.000Yeah, because there were 10 30 at night, which would have been a disaster.
00:19:10.00010 30 at night would have been a disaster because it's a six hour show.
00:20:38.000But then behind that, not that far, like 100 yards, 200 yards, whatever it is, I guess it's more than that, maybe 300 yards, there's the ellipse.
00:20:50.000Has 85,000 people who got in for free.
00:20:56.000Yeah, it's like in the whole White House ecosphere, whatever it is.
00:21:00.000Yeah, so this area, they have giant screens set up and they have huge speakers and sound.
00:21:08.000And so 85,000 fans are watching the fights live on the screens and they can see the lights of the fucking Claw Dome in the distance and they can see the White House in the distance where the fights are taking place, but they're watching it on.
00:23:31.000I worked from 97 to 98, and then I quit, and then they brought me back in 2001.
00:23:37.000And when that was going on, it was banned from cable and they slowly started working it back.
00:23:44.000They got it on Fox Sports Net, which was the first time I ever commentated for the UFC.
00:23:49.000That was UFC 37 and a half, a very special show that they put on for Fox Sports Net, tried to introduce people to the sport.
00:23:56.000And so that was the first time it was on like cable again.
00:23:59.000And then they started getting pay per view buys and it started growing and gathering steam.
00:24:04.000But even back then, like, It was like you were doing porn or something, or snuff films, or you were doing something that was damaging for your career.
00:24:15.000You know, and people would like look at you like, why are you working for a cage fighting organization?
00:24:32.000I don't know what the total overall views are as of now, but I know that it was like, Well, over, I think it was 150 million just by Monday.
00:24:45.000So that's like the night of, and then people that watched the replay that weren't there when the fight took place because they heard about it.
00:24:52.000But now, between then and now, now we're dealing with Tuesday.
00:24:57.000It's probably another 50 or 60 million people have watched it.
00:25:00.000I bought Paramount Plus just to watch it on YouTube.
00:25:17.000The main event was the greatest fight of all time.
00:25:19.000It literally was the greatest fight of all time because the guy that won it, Justin Gaetje, was in many books 6 1 underdog, which is crazy odds for a guy that was an interim lightweight champion, fought the best of the best, one of the best to ever do it, BMF champion.
00:25:38.000I mean, just super durable, real dangerous guy.
00:25:45.000Ilya Taporia, in many people's eyes, is the most skilled of the new generation, and the new generation is the most skilled of all time.
00:25:55.000Ilya was like the top of the mountain, and most people thought that he was going to be too much, and he was too much for a while.
00:26:02.000He almost took Justin out in the second round, and then Justin rallied.
00:26:07.000Ilya, it looked like he got really damaged in either the first or the second round, and he was having real trouble seeing out of one of his eyes.
00:26:15.000And then Justin started landing bombs in the third round.
00:27:56.00037 years old, been in the game forever, you know, fought a who's who of all time greats in the sport, and this was going to be his last fight.
00:28:05.000And he's like, what if I can win the title at the White House?
00:28:26.000What do you think the mindset is between somebody who, you know, you walk in as an underdog and wind up winning, even though your skills may not be more proficient than the other guy?
00:28:35.000What do you think the mental difference is between them?
00:29:26.000He can lose because he's a human, but he's not going to quit.
00:29:29.000And he's also been into the deep trenches before the deep trenches of these five round, chaotic, insane battles.
00:29:39.000And oddly, he thrives in those kind of battles.
00:29:43.000He's described as the most violent man in the most violent sport.
00:29:50.000We've all talked about him like that for years, since the moment he burst onto the scene when he fought Michael Johnson, in the UFC at least.
00:29:58.000He's an extraordinary dude, just a very extraordinary dude.
00:30:03.000Like Ilya looked technically better than him, but it didn't matter.
00:30:08.000Justin found a way to land shots, found a way to, like, Persevere from the early rounds where he was in real trouble and just shocked the world.
00:31:17.000One of the things that I wanted to do when we went to the White House to try to push through psychedelics for therapy for veterans and people, you know, first responders, people struggling with PTSD, is you need to take these steps to give people a path to change their mind.
00:31:39.000I think that's the title of Michael Pollan's book, and it's a great way to describe it.
00:31:52.000Just, yeah, at least for a while, just lock it all away, push it out, and then you get a chance to see what it actually is doing and the effect that it has.
00:34:38.000And, Which means that if I'm even a little bit performative, no matter who it is, my best friends, they put their hand on my back and say, Chase, you're a great guy, you're a good person.
00:34:52.000But in the back of my mind, I know that I'm performing.
00:34:55.000I know for a fact that probably not even my spouse has ever seen me.
00:35:16.000Because if you look at our ancestors, I had to worry about, like you and I, we're maybe eight, nine years apart.
00:35:22.000But when we were in elementary school or middle school, if we did some stupid shit, we had to worry about 20 people making fun of us.
00:35:30.000And now we got to worry about 20 million.
00:35:32.000And that is an existential difference between those things.
00:35:37.000So we get better at hiding shame and pretending like we don't have it.
00:35:43.000And then now going back to separation, now this is what I call the disease of specialness.
00:35:50.000Of, I am special, which means I'm the only one here pretending and everybody else has got their shit figured out.
00:35:56.000And then that isolates you even further and not realizing that everyone has this.
00:36:02.000Everyone has this little crap going on.
00:36:05.000And the fear that people feel of, if I just be real, then I'm going to get made fun of, I'm going to get rejected, I'm going to be kicked out of the tribe.
00:36:33.000This is a real problem with social media.
00:36:35.000This is a real problem that it wasn't like that.
00:36:40.000I mean, I know I'm like one of those old people that's like back in my day, but when I was young, you were allowed to have different opinions.
00:37:18.000But now that we do, one of the things that we should all be acutely aware of with us spending so much time interacting with each other online is that a lot of the people that you're interacting with are not real.
00:37:46.000AI bots is a big percentage, and then there's actual humans who work for organizations that push narratives.
00:37:53.000You can hire an organization to push a certain narrative, you can hire them to support you, or you can hire them to attack your enemies.
00:38:03.000You can hire companies that will artificially create a movement of people that agree that this person's a bad person, that this project's a bad project, that this is a good idea, that he's a good person, that this is a good politician, whatever it is.
00:38:20.000So you're not dealing with genuine thought.
00:38:54.000And I think nature is creating this convergence.
00:38:59.000It's creating this very bizarre convergence of humans and artificial intelligence through.
00:39:08.000A bunch of ways that are unproductive and a bunch of ways that are productive, but all of it like gathering together in a device that's like almost impossible to resist.
00:39:18.000If there was anything else that you use six hours a day or eight hours a day, if you're a good person, if you're good with it, like a lot of kids are on seven, eight, nine hours a day, like if there's anything else like that, you would think that person's got a horrible addiction.
00:39:31.000But for us, we've accepted it as a normal part of society.
00:39:35.000And that, whatever that interaction with it that we have, that deep connection we have.
00:40:58.000Our use of plastic is probably natural.
00:41:00.000It's probably all somehow or another connected to take us out of our territorial primate bodies and move us into some new stage of existence.
00:41:20.000Like we're moving toward that direction?
00:41:21.000Well, he most certainly thinks that we are moving into a direction where we converge.
00:41:27.000And I mean, he said about this is what I mean, the dude's literally cutting holes in people's heads and shoving fucking circuits in there and doing a lot of wild shit with it.
00:41:36.000I mean, people are using their eyes like aim bots.
00:41:40.000And a paralyzed gentleman that we have had on the podcast was the first Neuralink patient.
00:42:29.000Is it another species that's far more advanced than us that's come down here to monitor us and shepherd us through our very difficult time?
00:42:38.000Whatever it is, they seem to be what we're going to be if we keep going in this direction.
00:42:43.000Our brains are far larger than monkeys.
00:42:45.000Our bodies are far weaker, pound for pound, than any of the other primates.
00:43:10.000And like you can get a test drive of what that's like.
00:43:16.000Do you know that the original scientists or I guess whether anthropologists or what kind of people were studying ayahuasca when they first went down to the Amazon, they wanted to call harmine telepathy.
00:43:29.000They didn't know that it had already because of the rules of scientific nomenclature, it had already been named.
00:43:37.000So, this substance that these people had created, one of the aspects of it, they wanted to talk to it as telepathy, they wanted to refer to it that way.
00:43:48.000So, that was what they were going to call it scientifically.
00:45:17.000No idea what year it was, but it was very, very early days.
00:45:20.000He was the guy who said, Hey, maybe in between these operating room patients, what if we wash this blood off of our hands before I go do this next operation?
00:45:29.000And he got laughed out of the room and then eventually thrown into an insane asylum where he died for questioning this thing.
00:45:39.000And it seems like so much of what's going on with like, Psychedelics research, even though, like, document after document is showing it's the most effective thing for PTSD and anxiety and depression and addiction and all this other stuff.
00:45:55.000And I'm not a champion researcher in any of this stuff, but it seems like kind of coming out, people are getting the same treatment as this guy did when they're coming out, even though, like, it's been documented so well and it's still a schedule one drug.
00:46:24.000The old boomers, they don't want to let go.
00:46:26.000But the young guys, like especially special forces guys, SEALs, Rangers, those kind of guys, they come back.
00:46:32.000So many of their buddies have had experiences and then recognize when one of their friends is struggling and take them to have these experiences.
00:46:54.000And then Rick Perry, the former governor of Texas, Republican governor of Texas who hated marijuana, hated psychedelics, thought it was all just a bunch of hippie bullshit.
00:47:03.000Well, he had brain atrophy, natural age related brain atrophy.
00:47:07.000And the doctor said, Oh, it's just pretty normal, you know, standard, you're fine.
00:47:12.000Goes and does this Ibogaine session, comes back.
00:49:10.000And maybe even more importantly, be aware of what these little traps, these little deeply carved grooves that your consciousness seems to comfortably slip into over and over again, whether it's alcoholism or gambling or whatever it is, it seems to just shut those down in a very profound way that.
00:50:06.000And it's kind of like you're in a video game and then somebody comes back and be like, hey, man, here's the way that, here's the shit you need to actually worry about.
00:50:17.000You don't need to do all this other stuff.
00:50:54.000And I think one of the reasons that it helps people so much, and I don't want to, this is going to turn into a two hour psychedelics discussion, but it's your show.
00:51:05.000I think it's because perspective shifting is what happens.
00:51:08.000Like if you're looking at life and you have this little GoPro as your consciousness and you're looking at this level, it just snatches that thing up and zooms it out and puts it in another location where you're like, oh my.
00:51:25.000And it seems to be that perspective, just the shift in perspective, seems to be the number one thing that psychedelics produce therapeutically.
00:51:34.000And that's the thing that like cognitive behavioral therapy is trying to get done over the course of like 10 or 12 years or however long it takes.
00:51:44.000But it just seems like it does it so fast in a profound way.
00:52:50.000I listened to one guy describe it, and he's like, it's basically like you're knocking on the door of a nightclub, and like the little thing opens up.
00:52:59.000You got to think, like, what are they doing wrong?
00:53:02.000Yeah, I think maybe going in with ego seems to be one of the things I see that's in common, and people just treating it like a little recreational thing.
00:53:10.000The ego thing is a problem even within psychedelics because there's sort of a carve out that happens, which I always refer to as spiritual narcissism.
00:53:20.000There's a bunch of people that do it that somehow or another want to be a guru or a leader and to show you that they're somehow or another better.
00:53:29.000Because they have had these experiences, they know more and they pretend they know more.
00:53:34.000They pretend they know more and then they get a whole bunch of people that are very suggestible.
00:53:38.000And those people sort of listen to them.
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00:58:21.000But the inside of his, I think that is, so he used to have a place in New York City that was like a gallery that was the Chapel of Sacred Mirrors.
00:59:42.000The weird thing with the mosques, if you go back to some of those images, please, of the mosques, the first one that you pulled up, the ceiling.
01:01:31.000So, John Marco Allegro, who was an ordained minister, but he was agnostic and he was a guy that studied theology, and his conclusion after a year, I mean, even being an ordained minister, his conclusion was that, like, it's probably not any one religion doesn't have it right.
01:02:41.000It's not the tree of life, it's the fruit of knowledge.
01:02:43.000But this story of it, like that, like what is the actual reference to why in the Bible, I don't want to paraphrase it, as to why God told them not to eat from the fruit of that tree?
01:03:26.000God told Adam, eat from any tree in the garden except for the tree of knowledge of good and evil, and that if he ate from it, he would surely die.
01:03:34.000You are free to eat from any tree in the garden, but you must not eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
01:03:40.000For when you eat from it, you will certainly die.
01:03:52.000And then there's a weird thing is that the whole connection between the Amanita muscaria and the psychedelic book, or rather the sacred mushroom in the cross book, is that the Amanita muscaria is a red mushroom that looks like an apple.
01:04:09.000And in fact, the term, like, there's like confusion as to whether or not the term apple is actually meaning a red thing, and that it might not actually be an apple.
01:04:22.000But it might actually be the original version of it, might have been the Amanita.
01:04:26.000And then you have to think how many thousands of years has this been around?
01:04:32.000How many different people have translated it?
01:04:34.000How many different people have passed on the story?
01:05:32.000So apparently, the psychedelic compounds come through the urine, and if you drink it, you just get a full straight blast.
01:05:37.000And reindeer have been known to knock shamans out of the way to drink their piss because the reindeer are addicted to this mushroom, which is why they fly in the Santa Claus story.
01:05:52.000And I heard the story these shamans would go around pulled by dog sleds or something, and the snow was so high that they would drop the stuff down the chimney.
01:06:03.000To these people, and it was fresh mushrooms or fresh amanita or something.
01:06:08.000And in order to dry it out, you'd have to hang it by the fire.
01:06:43.000Well, just think about what we're just talking about inside of our generation.
01:06:46.000So, the 1970 Controlled Substances Act.
01:06:49.000Now, that is a government that's restricting its citizens and trying to control its citizens, and one of the ways it does it is limit their psychedelic experiences.
01:07:01.000That's not the only time that's happened, right?
01:08:42.000Would you see that woman that had dementia that took five grams of mushrooms and slept for like 19 hours and woke up and then she could talk?
01:08:56.000She couldn't dress herself, couldn't walk, couldn't do anything.
01:08:59.000Took five grams of mushrooms, slept for 19 hours, came back, started communicating, looked people in the eye, was able to change herself, was able to walk around.
01:09:54.000Which is the panspermia notion that mushroom spores came here riding on an asteroid, slammed into the earth, and it might be one of the reasons why we're people in the first place.
01:11:54.000And even if you look at regular ass science, just basic ass science, and you look at an Alan Watts quote of, like, we are the universe experiencing itself, that's just regular science.
01:13:37.000So, if our brain is already an expert at making these changes, and then like before I stop thinking about that wedding, my brain automatically clicks File, Save.
01:13:49.000And then so the next time I look back on it, the memory is going to be there, but I won't see it as an edit.
01:16:31.000So if you can do this 15, 20, 30 times of one pixel at a time and show that it's permanent through time, then you can go back to other events.
01:16:40.000And instead of editing the memory itself, you teach them how to shift perspective.
01:16:44.000So now you take them through 30 more events really quick.
01:16:47.000True events, a birthday party, a dinner, adult life, children, doesn't matter.
01:16:51.000And now, like, let's say I'm at a dinner party.
01:16:54.000Can I jump from one body to another and experience the event through that lens?
01:16:58.000So, first, we make them an expert at editing memory and seeing permanence and time.
01:17:03.000Second is perspective shifting in real memory.
01:17:06.000So, I can jump across the table, I can be at my own wedding, and maybe be somebody in the front row and just shift their perspective in memory.
01:17:15.000The final layer is exactly what psychedelics do.
01:17:18.000So, the final layer is go back to that event when you got kicked in the nuts.
01:17:23.000And everybody laughed at you in elementary school or whatever.
01:17:26.000And you can reprocess that memory in a very short amount of time as an adult with the perspective of an adult.
01:17:34.000So, meaning like, so if you had a traumatic event in high school where somebody beat you up in front of everybody and everybody mocked you and it just like destroyed your year and destroyed your confidence, you can go back and shift this person's experience.
01:17:47.000And instead of modifying the memory like, no, that never happened, the memory stays, the perspective changes.
01:17:54.000So now, Now you show permanence over time.
01:17:58.000So that has downstream effects for all kinds of stuff later in life.
01:18:02.000So, this is when a script got written of, I've got to be tough, I've got to be loud, or somebody's going to hurt me, or you know what I mean?
01:18:08.000Like one of these little childhood scripts.
01:19:16.000I mean, you've got to be responsible about it.
01:19:19.000But nowadays, I think that psychedelics can achieve a lot of that without having to go through some.
01:19:25.000Like, I need you to go back to the original event and, like, having me vocally take you back there using this archaic, stupid ass language that can't even describe a psychedelic experience with this language.
01:19:42.000And you know how I got into psychedelics was the Spirit Molecule movie that you did the voiceover for it.
01:19:48.000And that was what kind of introduced me to the entire field of everything, where I thought, wow, this just doesn't seem like a recreational drug.
01:19:57.000And that was the big shift was watching that documentary for me.
01:20:00.000Yeah, my big shift was reading Rick Strassman's book.
01:20:40.000He's fascinated by prophecy and ancient religious stories.
01:20:46.000Like a lot of people that have had DMT experiences, once you do, you look at those old stories and you go, okay, what are these stories really?
01:21:48.000And for people that don't know, the reason why.
01:21:52.000Well, DMT exists in probably thousands of different plants, but you can eat those plants and not experience DMT because of monoamine oxidase.
01:22:01.000So, MAO is what your gut makes to break this stuff down so it doesn't become psychoactive.
01:22:08.000But when you take an MAO inhibitor and the psychedelic, then you get ayahuasca.
01:23:09.000Yeah, maybe there's red wine and aged cheese both have tyrosine, which when you mix tyrosine with an MAOI, it can cause a hypertensive crisis.
01:23:34.000Put that into AI, put that into perplexity.
01:23:37.000See, what is the negative consequences of taking methylene blue?
01:23:44.000Maybe there's something that we don't know.
01:23:46.000Huberman's a little bit hesitant about it.
01:23:50.000And I've talked to other people that say it seems like for certain metabolic conditions it's very beneficial, but for people that have a normal metabolic system, like your whole system is working fine and perfect, it might not just not be necessary but might cause harm.
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01:24:33.000Methylene Blue can cause a range of side effects from mild nuisance symptoms to rare but life threatening reactions, especially at higher doses or when combined with certain medications.
01:24:43.000Common short term side effects headaches, dizziness, nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea.
01:24:54.000Sweating, feeling hot or cold, muscle twitches, harmless, blue green discoloration of urine, sometimes stool or skin.
01:25:00.000Serious risk serotonin syndrome when combined with antidepressants, just like you were just saying, or other serotoninogenic drugs, SSRIs, SNRIs, MAOIs, some opioids, St. John's wart.
01:26:23.000Methylene blue has what's called a neuronal affinity.
01:26:26.000So, they used to, like, you stick it on a microscope slide with a brain cell, it sucks into the neuron, like, automatically.
01:26:33.000And it does the same thing in your body.
01:26:36.000So, if I know that I'm basically dyeing all of my neurons blue, and I'm not just talking about in your head, like, we have neurons everywhere, our whole body.
01:26:46.000So, if I'm dyeing a lot of my neurons blue, and I see something that's blue, methylene blue is blue because it reflects blue light, which also means that it absorbs almost all red.
01:27:00.000So, if my neurons are dyed blue and then I go into near infrared and infrared light, I know that I'm getting way more absorption in there.
01:27:11.000In the third stage of cellular breathing, we produce this chemical called cytochrome C oxidase.
01:27:18.000And cytochrome is like cell color, cytochroma, where our cells can start running, essentially running on photons, which is beautiful and amazing.
01:27:30.000And if you get a good red light, System and I have no plug, but you get a good red light system, it'll penetrate through the skull up to like four inches through your skull in good systems.
01:27:42.000Whoa, even lasers, and they make laser beds and all this other stuff.
01:27:46.000Yeah, I have one of those red light beds that looks like a tanning bed.
01:27:49.000I bought it up from Gary Breck's company, it's very expensive, but it's pretty profound.
01:28:53.000There's so many stories of people with macular degeneration and glaucoma and eye conditions and stuff that's gotten multitudes better than it was.
01:29:01.000Obviously, my story is anecdotal, but my vision was shifting in a real bad way.
01:29:07.000I was using three, those three power ones, you know, those cheap ones.
01:32:23.000And that's the problem that a lot of people have with tech companies is that you're giving these people that aren't particularly wise, they might be intelligent.
01:32:32.000They figured out how to code these things and make these things and market these things, but it's not like they're.
01:32:38.000They're not these like profound visionaries that are much more educated and enlightened than the general population.
01:32:45.000No, a lot of them have autism and no empathy.
01:33:12.000Which is why, like, I think it's so important for people to be literate, extremely literate in what's going on with your phone, what's going on with your brain, and PSYOPS, like the shit that we see coming out of the news right now.
01:35:12.000So, like people suddenly aligning different news agencies and then authorities, celebrities are starting to come out with the same messaging and stuff like that.
01:35:21.000And then media, like just kind of flooding little slogans and stuff.
01:35:25.000So, if that kind of scores kind of high, and you don't even need the numbers right now, then we move to the next one.
01:36:01.000Like, if If this bill isn't passed in the next 72 hours, we're going to face a national crisis and all this kind of stuff.
01:36:07.000And then you could just kind of go down the walkway and it'll give you a predictive score of how likely something is a psyop.
01:36:15.000And one of the biggest things is if you don't want to, like, this is a lot of crap to memorize, but are you seeing authority figures resonate with each other and is nuance not being presented to you?
01:36:30.000And that's like if I'm not seeing nuance, if I have a left versus right issue and there's a prepackaged villain.
01:36:38.000If you just look at those couple of things, is then nowadays we have a death of nuance where no one's getting presented any nuance to anything.
01:36:45.000It's just, it's either you're on this side, you're wearing this jersey or this jersey, which is really toxic to our whole entire country, the whole world.
01:36:55.000And it's accentuated by clips and these weird little things.
01:36:59.000And if you're on the left, take out nuance.
01:38:41.000Here's what the right is going to say.
01:38:42.000And here's where they're killing nuance.
01:38:44.000Here's where you're being presented a binary choice.
01:38:49.000I think I'm trying to, like, I want to make psyops irrelevant.
01:38:55.000And what we have to do, what are the steps we have to take to not really inoculate people from psyops, but just to make them so fucking visible that it's just obvious.
01:39:06.000And yeah, they're going to have to invent something else and they will, but at least for a few years, people are really wise to everything.
01:39:14.000Like, this is very obvious because, like, all the things that were up on that sheet right there, if you look at that a few times, it It starts to become irrelevant, and like my goal is to make people more expensive to influence.
01:39:32.000I think if this gets out there, the more people are aware and just can piece it together, and the more that narrative starts getting pushed and people start repeating it.
01:41:08.000Because you can't, like, back in the day, the algorithm said you can't do short form and then long form stuff, and the algorithm kind of punishes you for that.
01:41:15.000So, you had to make a new channel for it.
01:41:17.000Probably what Jamie did or the team did.
01:41:19.000I don't remember what the initial reason was.
01:41:22.000I think we decided it would be good just to have a second channel as well, anyway, just in case, because there was always the threat that YouTube was going to remove us.
01:41:31.000Which I do think that if it wasn't for Spotify and it wasn't for the fact that I was primarily on Spotify, I probably would have been removed during the whole COVID thing.
01:41:43.000Because we were regularly questioning a bunch of different things that could have got you removed.
01:41:48.000We were regularly questioning the COVID lab leak.
01:41:52.000We were regularly questioning whether or not there was any danger to taking these vaccines, regularly questioning alternative medical care.
01:43:06.000It's like people are so ideologically captured.
01:43:10.000And that's why people are completely unwilling to look at anything positive that one of the other members, someone from the other side, Proposes.
01:43:21.000Which is what I found really fascinating about the response to the Trump thing.
01:43:27.000You know, that Trump passing the psychedelic initiative and trying to push through Ibogaine and psilocybin and all these different methods that people have used to overcome addiction and treat all these different things that we talked about before.
01:43:41.000They didn't know what to do with that.
01:43:42.000That was a weird one because they tried to find all sorts of negatives.
01:43:46.000I saw people trying to find negatives because it's him.
01:46:10.000They've turned CNN into a fucking group podcast.
01:46:13.000That's a lot of the shows on CNN are bad podcasts with like shitty guests who, you know, they're no nuance and they're yelling over each other.
01:46:47.000They do that because now the news will not criticize the pharmaceutical drug company because the pharmaceutical drug company is responsible for an enormous part of their income.
01:46:58.000And I mean, I wouldn't say definitively that that's happening, but I mean, if you're the CEO of the president, you know exactly where the money's coming from.
01:49:00.000It's a demon, and these news stations are all complicit.
01:49:05.000They're all in bed with the pharmaceutical drug companies who, again, are responsible for an enormous part of their advertising budget, and that's where they make their money.
01:49:27.000But most people are aware like, oh, this is a psyop.
01:49:30.000And then, of course, the final straw was Elon purchasing Twitter and then the Twitter files.
01:49:36.000So when Matt Taibbi and Michael Schellenberger and all these different people got a hold of these files where you could see the emails between the federal government and these social media companies where they were asking people to censor true stories.
01:49:55.000And then when Zuckerberg was on my podcast and explained how the FBI had contacted him and told him that they wanted him to censor stories and censor the Hunter Biden laptop story.
01:51:08.000Was the Anderson Cooper thing correct?
01:51:10.000I believe he worked for the CIA in college.
01:51:13.000Uh, Anderson Cooper interned at the CIA for two consecutive summers while he was a political science major at Yale University.
01:51:20.000He did not pursue a career in intelligence, wink, wink, after graduating, later describing the agency's desk work at Langley as less James Bond than I hoped it would be.
01:51:47.000So much so it was every network, and there's no direct, there's no declassified document that says here's what we told them to say or here's how compromised they were.
01:51:58.000But they were compromised completely and most likely told exactly what to say or what stories to suppress.
01:52:07.000Does Mike Wallace have some sort of a connection?
01:52:24.000This is through the 50s, 60s, I think in the beginning of the 70s until this thing called the.
01:52:29.000Mike Wallace is famous for his probing, investigative reporting on CBS's 60 Minutes regarding the CIA, most notably a landmark 1993 report titled The CIA's Cocaine Exposed.
01:53:43.000And then you go back to when we dosed, I don't know how many African Americans with syphilis, or we grouped them together that they had syphilis and didn't treat them.
01:53:53.000And gave them fake treatments and stuff.
01:53:55.000The U.S. government has never openly sprayed LSD from their air over entire cities.
01:53:59.000However, during the Cold War, intelligence agencies and the military did conduct.
01:54:03.000Covert aerosol and mind control experiments on the public.
01:54:29.000The result the agency ultimately abandoned the specific aerosol test at the last minute because the summer weather was too hot to keep the windows closed and their specialized aerosol device malfunctioned.
01:57:36.000Because he was assured by everyone that it stayed local, it's not going to cause massive inflammation and myocarditis and all these different things that it eventually was absolutely causing.
01:57:49.000And then they're trying to hide now the impact that it's had on children.
01:57:54.000The impact that it's had on children that took it and what giant percentage of them that died after taking it died within days of the injection.
01:58:04.000And they're trying to ignore the signal.
01:58:06.000And there's so many gaslighters all over Twitter.
01:58:08.000There's people that are paid to gaslight on Twitter.
01:58:20.000They'll pay people to be the voice of authority and reason so you can assure all the brainwashed boomers that they're right all along and everything's fine.
01:58:29.000And if you just look at basic manipulation and mind control, the number one fear of human beings is supposedly public speaking, right?
01:58:51.000So the way that they control a lot of this and gaslight people is to use the fear of social punishment and social enforcement.
01:59:00.000And if I can get one celebrity to go out there and call these people a name and just give them a name as if it's a group of people, like anti vaxxer, conspiracy theorist, dragon believer.
02:00:29.000This guy, I can't remember his name, he wrote a book called Women, Fire, and Dangerous Things.
02:00:35.000It was the first language categories that we had for language women, fire, and dangerous stuff.
02:00:41.000I think his name was Lakin, George Lakin, or Lakoff.
02:00:46.000But if I frame something using a category, I can change what the allowed behavior is.
02:00:52.000So if I say that me and this other person are having a disagreement, Your brain automatically has a list of what a disagreement is and what's acceptable.
02:01:00.000But if I say we're having a fight, now there's new stuff on the table.
02:01:05.000And all I did was change how something is defined in your brain.
02:01:08.000And we don't consciously process that our brain is getting permission to do things because of a category.
02:01:15.000But if I say I've been at war with these people for a long time, now a war is way different.
02:01:21.000Or if I say, like, I disagree with Rogan, that's one thing.
02:01:24.000But if I say Rogan is a threat, What do we do to something that's a threat, right?
02:02:06.000It means I can do something differently.
02:02:09.000In a legal argument, if somebody says we're at war with the other side, this is my opponent instead of the other person, what do we do with an opponent?
02:02:37.000I buy stupid shit off of an Instagram ad as much as the next person.
02:02:43.000But it's important to know when something is clearly presented to you and it's easy to feel emotional about it, you're being manipulated.
02:02:53.000Something's clearly presented and it's just like, here's this one thing and it's really clean and it's easy to get pissed off about or it's easy to feel comfortable about or whatever it is.
02:03:03.000If the emotional thing is easy without having to dig into it, you're being manipulated.
02:03:08.000And that's a giant percentage of what most people consume.
02:03:21.000So if I just consume a little bit, that's one thing, but now I get a little bit more, a little bit more, a little bit further into this rabbit hole.
02:03:29.000And we get in these obviously, everyone says this online, but you get into these echo chamber of social media.
02:03:36.000All of a sudden, you can find your people anywhere.
02:03:43.000If you like to make a knitted yarn vest for hamsters.
02:03:46.000You can find other people that do shit like that.
02:03:49.000So, back in the day, if you had a bad idea, you couldn't find a lot of other people that agreed with you.
02:03:57.000And now it's easier to find people who agree with you when you have a shitty idea.
02:04:01.000So, there's a niche, there's a whole separate niche.
02:04:04.000And on top, while you're there getting told that your ideas are relevant and normal, they're not abnormal because there's so many other people, it normalizes bad ideas.
02:04:14.000The second part of that is I'm with all these people, but then I'll go back to normal social media and all I get told all day is I'm right about those people.
02:04:27.000And which goes back to what we were first talking about how performative our world is and like how all of us conceal the shame so much that we can't ever be seen by anybody.
02:04:38.000Like we'll go to the grave and feel like my wife has never even seen who I truly am.
02:04:46.000And then the other thing that's nuts is people have this complete inability to admit when they're wrong or change course.
02:04:53.000They have connected themselves, they've connected their whole being to whatever their thoughts are, whatever this thing that they've agreed is real.
02:05:04.000And once they've defended it, they never want to go back and objectively look at it and go, wait a minute.
02:05:12.000Oh, I believe this and that's not the case.
02:05:32.000If you want to live in your echo chamber, plenty of people, real and digital, that will provide you this escape from your ability to learn and grow.
02:05:41.000And a sycophantic AI will do, will help you.
02:05:56.000And as soon as you defend them, and as soon as you connect yourself to them, and as soon as you connect your identity to them, you're in a fucking trap.
02:06:06.000You're in a real trap, and it's very hard to get out without admitting defeat.
02:06:11.000Most people don't want to admit defeat.
02:06:36.000People on the right either had to admit, wow, I'm stupid and I underestimated what our country's doing, or the other people are just idiots and they don't know what's going on.
02:06:43.000Same thing happened when Trump got elected.
02:06:46.000Either like the whole country is stupid, or I have to admit that I didn't know what was going on and I'm out of touch a little bit.
02:09:48.000I don't think the people that are necessarily in charge of propaganda, at least people at a government level, I don't think they're particularly slick.
02:10:56.000But I think our saving grace is what you're talking about is that they suck at this.
02:11:01.000Like, when your teacher announces there's going to be a pizza party and expects everybody to be super freaking out about it, like, yeah, it's pizza.
02:11:10.000But the government's like, hey, guess what we got for you?
02:11:28.000And we have people out there that are like you, and I'm not kissing your ass here, but you're willing to say shit that sounds preposterous at the beginning of something and just make an observation that's real.
02:11:44.000The way that I phrase this in a lot of our training at my training that is called NCI, the way that we phrase this is like the first ingredient of confidence is.
02:11:55.000The willingness to receive social injury.
02:12:28.000Why are you lying about all sorts of different things?
02:12:30.000Why are you measuring troponin levels when you're talking about myocarditis and not the actual scans of people's hearts when you realize young people are getting legitimately fucked up from this vaccine?
02:12:59.000Unique position to be able to do that because I had like almost like quietly snuck up to this and had this large audience that they weren't aware of.
02:13:58.000You try to silence something, you're just going to make it bigger.
02:14:03.000If they had kicked me off of Spotify and I had to go to Rumble, it would have just blown Rumble's stock up and it would have helped everybody.
02:15:47.000So, you know, especially if you're doing it and there's a video that's the real video that's available for anybody that goes on my Instagram page.
02:16:17.000Like it used to be oh, this guy's got a suit and tie on.
02:16:20.000Now all these CEOs are wearing a hoodie or a t shirt or something.
02:16:25.000Like the visual definition of authority has changed, and the social definition of authority has started to change now.
02:16:34.000Where it used to be mainstream news, and now we're moving into like a post news era of something.
02:16:41.000I don't know what the next thing's going to be.
02:16:42.000I mean, what Elon always says is, you are the news now.
02:16:45.000And the rise of independent journalists and what you have, what you're selling, what is your currency is authenticity and honesty.
02:16:58.000And as long as you don't break from that, as long as people don't find out, oh, he's secretly getting all this money from AIPAC, he's secretly getting all this money from Russia, secretly getting all this money.
02:17:08.000And, you know, oh, there's meetings where they've had, where they've told people what narratives to push.
02:17:15.000And then you see people on Twitter that are, you know, supposedly new influencers.
02:17:20.000And then you see them almost cut and paste the exact same message over and over again.
02:17:25.000And then you find out, oh, there's actual campaigns where you're paid large sums of money.
02:17:31.000If you have a large following, large sums of money, like a significant amount of money to be a person who pushes narratives online.
02:19:20.000To ignore and sacrifice other people's health and safety just for whatever financial compensation you've got, you've been given to push a narrative.
02:20:57.000And it was invented by this guy, John Nolan.
02:20:59.000And so the basic premise is you're going to get more, the more sensitive information you need out of a person, the less questions you should be asking.
02:21:10.000So here's how it works you can get sensitive information out of people better with statements than questions.
02:21:18.000So there's a few different types of these statements.
02:21:21.000So the first one is called a provocative statement.
02:21:24.000And a provocative statement is just making a commentary on what somebody said.
02:21:28.000So let's say I just went through X and Y and Z, and you're like, so basically, and then you kind of recap what I said.
02:22:44.000So somebody says something and you don't get Jamie to pull up anything, but the disbelief is like they say, Oh, and I've even worked with X and Y and Z. I've done this one thing.
02:23:43.000And then allow them to kind of like expand on it and go, okay, so you're saying that this, all right, so are you sure that that's the case?
02:24:14.000Like, this is like, I'm going to get grilled for this online if I don't, like, stop this right dead in its tracks because I know and you know that you're lying.
02:24:35.000And a couple of those, you make them correct you and you also say, like, well, that had to be challenging or that sounds fascinating.
02:24:41.000And just those tiny little comments that just kind of keep them pulling along.
02:24:45.000The Russians did this to America during the Cold War.
02:24:51.000A submarine would pull into Singapore or Thailand or something, and one of the some KGB guy would go up.
02:24:56.000There's some 19 year old sailor at a bar and say, like, well, we just Russia already has all these specs, and it's amazing that Russian submarines are faster than U.S. submarines because our propellers are 19 feet wide.
02:25:10.000And the sailors are like, yeah, ours are 21.
02:25:42.000And you know what the number one thing?
02:25:43.000In the first day of counterintelligence school, the first thing they say is if you're a four and she's a 10 and she's interested in you, she's a spy.
02:25:57.000That is the most primal and effective of all tactics hot women.
02:26:38.000Because gay guys wouldn't feel nearly as bad for having sex with another gay guy to get information out of them, I think, than a woman would.
02:27:25.000But like there's some biological driver that says, if I am not careful here, I'm going to be stuck with this child alone.
02:27:32.000And 200,000 years ago, if someone abandons you and you're pregnant and then you're raising a child on your own, you're kind of off the market.
02:27:42.000And no one's bringing you meat, no one's bringing you.
02:27:44.000You know, fish out of the river and all this kind of stuff.
02:27:47.000So I thought that was interesting, and that may be one of the reasons that it might be easier for dudes to go do something like that.
02:28:00.000Well, it's also, I think, especially in politics, there's a large amount of in the closet gay guys that are in all sorts of levels of politics, all sorts of levels of government.
02:29:42.000And we went through like 10 different metrics.
02:29:44.000But at the end of the day, I think what gets you on the leaderboard is were you an upward force on most people's lives that you encountered?
02:29:54.000Did you leave people better than you found them?
02:30:36.000There's no better book you could read about how to master this game, about how to get good at Earth, is reading the regrets of dying people.
02:30:45.000Because there's so much clarity at these moments where you know you're going to die.
02:30:49.000Like, oh my God, I thought all this shit.
02:30:51.000I thought that Lexus, I thought I had to get the Lexus.
02:30:54.000I had to impress everybody at the country club who didn't give a shit about me.
02:30:58.000And I didn't spend time with my grandkids, I didn't spend time with my kids.
02:31:02.000Like everything gets so crystal clear in those moments that I think those are the best books in the world.
02:31:07.000Like, you've written, I think there's a lot of nurses that work in hospice that write, like, collect a lot of these things.
02:31:13.000And it's just so much perspective on what we think is so important.
02:31:18.000And then at that moment, like, oh my God, I can't believe I prioritize all that shit.