The Joe Rogan Experience - June 23, 2026


Joe Rogan Experience #2517 - Taylor Sheridan


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On this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, we have our first guest on the show, Joe's good friend and horse lover, Joe D'Amelio. We talk about his love of the sport of horse racing and the weird things that go on in the world of a horse that can see ghosts and see ghosts.

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00:00:01.000 Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out.
00:00:04.000 The Joe Rogan Experience.
00:00:06.000 Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.
00:00:09.000 What's happening?
00:00:10.000 What's up, buddy? 1.00
00:00:14.000 That's a hell of a fucking belt buckle. 1.00
00:00:17.000 What's going on there? 1.00
00:00:17.000 What is that? 1.00
00:00:18.000 So, this one is for a horse I have called Maverick Buzz the Tower that won reserve at the Futurity.
00:00:25.000 And they give you a belt buckle if you win?
00:00:27.000 A belt buckle and money. 0.90
00:00:28.000 That's a dope belt buckle.
00:00:30.000 Expensive belt buckle.
00:00:31.000 So, Guys like you that understand horses, like if you saw someone with one of those, you would know exactly what that is right away.
00:00:37.000 Oh, yeah.
00:00:38.000 And the year, depending on the year, I'm going to know the horse.
00:00:43.000 It's like you in fighters.
00:00:45.000 I guess.
00:00:46.000 I guess it's probably similar.
00:00:47.000 Yeah.
00:00:48.000 Oh, that guy won the thing in 2012.
00:00:49.000 He fought so and so, and that's the same with me in horses.
00:00:51.000 It's always so interesting to me how there's these different sort of categories of interests that people have that, you know, one person might not know anything. 0.99
00:00:59.000 I don't know anything about horses, but you're like fucking balls deep. 0.99
00:01:03.000 You know everything about horses. 1.00
00:01:04.000 It's crazy.
00:01:05.000 Yeah.
00:01:06.000 It's such an interesting pool of knowledge, the people that are really into horses.
00:01:12.000 And they start explaining, you go, oh, this is not as simple as, oh, that's a horse and that's a horse too.
00:01:18.000 There's genetic lines and there's certain tendencies that certain horses will actually pass on to their offspring.
00:01:25.000 Oh, yeah.
00:01:26.000 It's crazy stuff.
00:01:27.000 There's a stallion, and I really like him.
00:01:30.000 I've got a number of horses by the stallion.
00:01:32.000 His name's Spooks Gotta Wiz.
00:01:35.000 And they're just incredibly balanced, real feely, very, very quick footed, big stoppers.
00:01:39.000 But they see dead people, they see ghosts. 0.96
00:01:41.000 So, like, what once every three months for no reason, this thing's gonna fucking check out. 0.82
00:01:49.000 And I mean, check out, just decide it's not safe here. 0.94
00:01:53.000 We're going back to the barn. 0.99
00:01:55.000 You can come with me, or I'm gonna buck your ass off, or I'm gonna flip over. 0.99
00:01:57.000 No, he just loses his mind. 0.99
00:01:59.000 Whoa, and you never know when it's gonna happen.
00:02:01.000 And his children have this as well.
00:02:03.000 Yeah, whoa, just a little quirk.
00:02:06.000 And that's, but other than that, they're getting automatic.
00:02:09.000 That's a big quirk.
00:02:10.000 That's like if you have a Corvette and it decides to drive home.
00:02:13.000 A little bit.
00:02:14.000 A little bit.
00:02:14.000 Most of the time, you could go to the store.
00:02:16.000 We all deal with it because they're worth it.
00:02:18.000 I guess, but that seems so crazy.
00:02:21.000 Do you really think he sees ghosts?
00:02:21.000 The horse sees.
00:02:24.000 I don't know what he sees.
00:02:25.000 Some kind of boogeyman. 1.00
00:02:26.000 A lot of them are deaf. 1.00
00:02:28.000 Really? 0.99
00:02:29.000 Yeah.
00:02:29.000 Why?
00:02:30.000 Well, there's a gene.
00:02:33.000 Typically, if you see a horse with a white face and the white goes above the eyes, typically that horse is deaf.
00:02:40.000 Wow.
00:02:41.000 And so they can't hear.
00:02:44.000 But they can feel the vibrations.
00:02:45.000 So, like that, that could set one of those horses off.
00:02:50.000 Just anything pounding on the ground that might be something chasing it.
00:02:53.000 Yeah.
00:02:53.000 I mean, they're prey animals.
00:02:54.000 Right, right, right.
00:02:56.000 So, wow. 1.00
00:02:57.000 The deaf thing's crazy. 1.00
00:02:58.000 I wonder if that has any sort of an advantage where they could sort of tune out distractions. 1.00
00:03:04.000 You know, I would imagine if a horse is at a rodeo.
00:03:07.000 Yes, 100%.
00:03:09.000 Because, you know, this crowd's screaming and yelling, it's not going to bother them.
00:03:12.000 Now, if they start stomping their feet, I was going to show this one horse of mine, and I'm about to run in the pen and. 0.62
00:03:18.000 All these guys are cheering for this Italian rider, and they're all beating on the side of the arena.
00:03:24.000 Oh. 0.99
00:03:24.000 And my horse checked the fuck out. 0.99
00:03:28.000 He checked the fuck out. 1.00
00:03:30.000 He felt like a whole herd of elephants were pitching him. 0.99
00:03:33.000 Wow.
00:03:34.000 I can imagine how weird that is for the horse. 0.57
00:03:36.000 Like it's being told to do something, but its instincts are like, no, we got to get the fuck out of here.
00:03:36.000 Yeah.
00:03:41.000 I can't hear anything.
00:03:42.000 That's nuts.
00:03:43.000 Yeah.
00:03:44.000 The hearing thing there's a famous pool player.
00:03:46.000 His name is Shane Van Boning.
00:03:48.000 He's like one of the greatest pool players of all time, if not the greatest.
00:03:51.000 And he's deaf, and he has hearing aids.
00:03:53.000 And when he plays, he shuts him off. 0.95
00:03:55.000 He just goes click and goes into this world.
00:03:58.000 The zone.
00:03:59.000 Just of balls and geometry and just doesn't miss.
00:04:03.000 Just he's a horrifying person to play. 0.61
00:04:06.000 True.
00:04:06.000 Because of the fact that he's got that extra sense shut off, like the hearing, he can shut it off.
00:04:12.000 It's not just that.
00:04:12.000 I mean, he's also obsessive.
00:04:13.000 He practices 10 hours a day.
00:04:15.000 I mean, he's an all time wizard.
00:04:17.000 Like, he's won the U.S. Open, which is the hardest tournament to win in all of pool.
00:04:22.000 He's won it five times.
00:04:23.000 Which is just not, there's only one other guy in history, Earl Strickland, that's won it five times.
00:04:27.000 Everybody plays pool.
00:04:29.000 Like everybody, a little.
00:04:30.000 Yeah.
00:04:30.000 But then the levels to the game, like you start getting a professional pool player.
00:04:36.000 And they're playing a totally different game.
00:04:36.000 Yeah.
00:04:38.000 It's a totally different game.
00:04:40.000 Just watching it, you realize, like, oh my God, what am I doing?
00:04:42.000 I'm hitting the ball way too hard.
00:04:44.000 I don't know what I'm doing. 0.98
00:04:45.000 My angles are all fucked up. 1.00
00:04:46.000 Like this guy's playing that with English. 0.99
00:04:48.000 I would just hit it straight.
00:04:50.000 You want to spin a backspin, it hits over here.
00:04:52.000 Yeah.
00:04:53.000 It's just.
00:04:53.000 It's the control of the ball.
00:04:56.000 It's just like they're a part of the stick, it's a part of their body.
00:05:01.000 The stick and the ball, they're all connected in space and time, and they know where that ball's going within millimeters.
00:05:07.000 It's nuts to watch.
00:05:10.000 Some of these guys, they'll hit a ball and it'll travel.
00:05:12.000 It's a nine foot table.
00:05:13.000 It'll travel all the fuck away around the test, like a 12 foot distance, and it'll go in a two inch spot. 1.00
00:05:19.000 And you just go, fuck me. 1.00
00:05:22.000 It's crazy. 1.00
00:05:23.000 And then if you do that, and you're deaf too, you don't even hear the cheers. 0.76
00:05:26.000 You're just still in the zone.
00:05:27.000 Just hyper focused.
00:05:28.000 Yeah, just hyper focused.
00:05:30.000 Autism probably helps too.
00:05:31.000 If you have that.
00:05:32.000 Yeah.
00:05:33.000 You know, a lot of little, oh, yeah, just a touch.
00:05:35.000 I got a little, I think. 0.59
00:05:36.000 I think anybody's good at anything, anybody's good at anything is either ADHD or autistic.
00:05:42.000 Yeah, they tried to give me medicine for the ADHD, did they?
00:05:46.000 Yeah, I'm like, no, how old were you when they tried to give it to you?
00:05:50.000 Oh, when I, well, they did give it to me when I was a kid, really?
00:05:52.000 Yeah, what they gave you, and then you're who knows, but whatever, you're lobotomized, right?
00:05:56.000 And then, and so I stopped taking it just because I was, you know, and so my parents were like, just let him run around, my neighbor's kid.
00:06:06.000 They gave it to him when I lived in California.
00:06:09.000 It was such a bummer.
00:06:10.000 He was this wild little kid.
00:06:11.000 And they gave it to him, and all of a sudden he was flat.
00:06:13.000 Yep.
00:06:14.000 And I was like, oh.
00:06:16.000 And the lady was like, oh, he's on medication now because he's hyperactive.
00:06:20.000 I'm like, oh my God.
00:06:22.000 Not my kid.
00:06:23.000 Not my place.
00:06:24.000 I'm not saying nothing.
00:06:25.000 I just go to work.
00:06:26.000 You know, I was single back then, and I was like 28 or 29.
00:06:30.000 And I was just so confused how you could do that.
00:06:32.000 And then I kept thinking, like, if somebody did that to me when I was a kid, for sure I would have been on drugs. 0.60
00:06:37.000 If my parents knew about those options, they could shut me the fuck up. 0.85
00:06:37.000 Yeah. 0.85
00:06:41.000 If I had the wrong parents, my parents wouldn't have done it, but if I had the wrong parents, 100% I had all the traits that would have allowed me to get unriddle in a riddle. 0.99
00:06:49.000 It's a fucking superpower. 0.99
00:06:50.000 If you understand it, it's a superpower. 1.00
00:06:53.000 Yeah.
00:06:53.000 If you could find something you love.
00:06:55.000 People say, how in the world can you write a script?
00:06:57.000 You write all these things.
00:06:59.000 It's not that hard.
00:07:00.000 Like, once I know what it is, I can sit, you could sit me in an airport around 1,000 people.
00:07:06.000 I won't hear them.
00:07:07.000 And I can sit there for 12 hours straight.
00:07:09.000 Because you love it.
00:07:11.000 I just hyper focus.
00:07:12.000 But if somebody wants you to pay attention to the history of Pop Tarts or something, it's not going in there.
00:07:18.000 I physically can't do it.
00:07:19.000 Yeah, it's not going in there.
00:07:21.000 That's the superpower.
00:07:22.000 The superpower is you can find something you love and focus on it. 0.67
00:07:25.000 But the way our education system is designed is so ass backwards.
00:07:30.000 You take kids that are so energetic and they have so much life and you just squeeze it out of them. 1.00
00:07:38.000 Stay put, listen to boring shit. 0.99
00:07:41.000 And all day they're just fighting this desire to scream and just run out of the building and go do something fun. 0.99
00:07:48.000 Wasn't the, like, essentially what we call the modern public education system founded by, or really by the Rockefellers as a means to create workers?
00:07:59.000 Yep. 0.74
00:07:59.000 Yep. 0.74
00:08:00.000 That's it.
00:08:00.000 You're a good guy.
00:08:01.000 Compliant workers and soldiers.
00:08:03.000 Conform.
00:08:03.000 It's one of the reasons why they decided to start school so early for kids the earlier you can start them, the more you can get them to do whatever you want them to do.
00:08:11.000 And the more you can get them to pledge allegiance and get really excited about this, that, or the other thing, including all the trans stuff that you see in school, all the pride stuff. 0.99
00:08:20.000 Teachers are working with preschool kids and they're talking about sexuality, and you're like, they're fucking six. 0.99
00:08:28.000 Like, they don't know what you're talking about. 0.99
00:08:30.000 Like, why are you even talking to them about that?
00:08:31.000 Because you can get them early and you can program those thoughts into their mind that this is a good cause.
00:08:37.000 And it could be anything, it could be your religion, it could be your political ideology, it could be being a Christian, being a Muslim, whatever.
00:08:45.000 If you get kids young enough, you can talk them into doing almost anything. 0.98
00:08:51.000 Child suicide bombers.
00:08:52.000 They don't try to get guys in their 40s with a family to strap a vest on.
00:08:57.000 They try to get kids.
00:08:59.000 Yeah.
00:09:00.000 And, you know, what will really bake a couple of noodles is if you look at, because all these things are funded, all these nonprofits and NGOs, they're offered, but where's the money come from?
00:09:11.000 And when you look at where the money comes from and you realize, oh, wait a minute.
00:09:15.000 And it's been coming for 40, 50 years from these places.
00:09:18.000 Qatar, for example, obviously Russia, China, all these are enemies. 0.62
00:09:24.000 Donating money to all of these various groups to divide, to just eat away from the inside. 0.67
00:09:31.000 Russia's been doing it since the 70s. 0.64
00:09:33.000 Yeah, 60s. 0.96
00:09:34.000 60s, yeah.
00:09:35.000 That Yuri Bezmanov, I'm sure you've seen that video.
00:09:38.000 Anybody who hasn't, please watch it.
00:09:40.000 It's Yuri Bezmanov, and it's in 1984.
00:09:42.000 And this guy is essentially describing what America is going to look like eventually, and he's dead on.
00:09:49.000 Just dead on.
00:09:50.000 Dead on with the communism, the Marxism, the stuff in the universities, just completely poison their mind.
00:09:57.000 Push out any ideas of patriotism being a virtue, all the hate for America that you have, like all the division, all of it engineered.
00:10:07.000 It's wild.
00:10:08.000 Just look at who it benefits.
00:10:09.000 That's it.
00:10:10.000 That's it.
00:10:10.000 It's real simple.
00:10:12.000 Just look and see who it benefits.
00:10:13.000 Well, it benefits a lot of people in this country as well, unfortunately.
00:10:16.000 There's a lot of people that really love division and they can profit off of it and they can work an angle.
00:10:23.000 You know, we're with you.
00:10:24.000 And this is a big part of the problem with the whole idea of nonprofits.
00:10:28.000 Because nonprofits, in theory, are awesome.
00:10:31.000 It's a great thing that people are willing to donate their money.
00:10:35.000 Like wealthy people who are doing well say, you know what, I think my money could be best suited helping out other people.
00:10:43.000 It's one of the most amazing notions about people when they can be charitable when they don't have to be.
00:10:43.000 It's beautiful.
00:10:48.000 They do it because they want to and they really want to help.
00:10:51.000 Then you find out what's really going on and that the majority of the money is going to overhead and employees.
00:10:58.000 Well, think about this.
00:11:00.000 If I create a nonprofit to go solve, well, LA is a perfect example.
00:11:04.000 We can look at the homeless situation that they have there and all of these NGOs that are getting all of this money.
00:11:10.000 And the problem is getting worse.
00:11:11.000 It's not getting better.
00:11:13.000 It's getting worse.
00:11:14.000 But if I form an NGO and that's my cause and I solve the problem, well, then what do I do with my NGO?
00:11:22.000 Now I ain't got no money.
00:11:24.000 Now there's no reason to give me money.
00:11:26.000 So they don't create them to solve problems.
00:11:27.000 The insanity is going to exacerbate the problem.
00:11:31.000 Make the problem worse, make it longer, make it bigger.
00:11:33.000 Look how big the problem is.
00:11:34.000 We need more money.
00:11:35.000 Some guy was doing a breakdown of the people that work in the homeless industry, industry, I say in air quotes, in California, because that's really what it is.
00:11:44.000 They spent $24 billion on the homeless problem, and no one can account for it.
00:11:50.000 And they tried to get an accounting of it, they tried to do an audit of it, and Newsom vetoed it.
00:11:56.000 Vetoed it.
00:11:57.000 Like, why would you want to know? 0.99
00:11:59.000 Let's stop all that nonsense and build this fucking train track to nowhere that's never going to get built. 0.99
00:12:03.000 Will they have a mile of it? 0.99
00:12:05.000 They have a mile of that train.
00:12:06.000 It only costs $100 billion.
00:12:07.000 Relax.
00:12:09.000 Things take time. 0.99
00:12:10.000 They have a fucking mile. 0.98
00:12:11.000 And they're like, well, we're trying to choose the path. 0.99
00:12:13.000 How about right beside the I-5?
00:12:15.000 How about that? 0.99
00:12:16.000 How about right next to the flat fucking highway? 1.00
00:12:18.000 Everything they do sucks. 1.00
00:12:19.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:12:20.000 How about that stupid fucking road over the highway to make sure the mountain lines are safe? 1.00
00:12:25.000 It's like over $100 million still not done. 1.00
00:12:25.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:12:28.000 And they have them, by the way, that's not a new concept.
00:12:31.000 They have those throughout the West.
00:12:32.000 Yeah. 0.98
00:12:33.000 And they don't cost shit. 0.97
00:12:34.000 They don't cost much money at all. 0.98
00:12:36.000 They fix them quick, they do it quick.
00:12:38.000 Yeah, they're done in a couple of months. 0.99
00:12:39.000 Yeah, pour some cement, put some sod down, plant some fucking grass, and away you go. 0.99
00:12:44.000 Away you go. 0.99
00:12:46.000 But we're applying logic to a state that doesn't use that.
00:12:51.000 It is as goofy as it gets.
00:12:52.000 And then you think it's as goofy as it gets.
00:12:54.000 And then you hear that Portland just okay, so this is going to be on the ballot in November.
00:13:00.000 It got enough votes to be on the ballot.
00:13:02.000 And this is some law that's under the guise of stop animal cruelty.
00:13:07.000 Well, who doesn't want to stop animal cruelty?
00:13:10.000 I certainly want to stop animal cruelty.
00:13:12.000 Let's stop animal cruelty.
00:13:13.000 So, what does it mean?
00:13:14.000 It means no hunting, no fishing, no ranching, no agriculture, no animals that get harmed in any way, no killing chickens for Kentucky fried chicken, nothing.
00:13:27.000 No animals die.
00:13:28.000 And this is a city ordinance?
00:13:29.000 And this is a city ordinance?
00:13:30.000 Oregon is voting on this in November.
00:13:37.000 No fishing.
00:13:39.000 No fishing.
00:13:40.000 What are you saying? 1.00
00:13:42.000 Are you fucking high? 1.00
00:13:44.000 And no hunting, no ranching, ranching. 1.00
00:13:47.000 You can't ranch. 0.73
00:13:48.000 You're going to kill a cow? 1.00
00:13:49.000 What are you, crazy? 1.00
00:13:50.000 That's illegal in Oregon. 0.97
00:13:53.000 And here's that probably sounds like a good idea to one of those people.
00:13:57.000 But here's my question.
00:13:58.000 All right, so let's do it.
00:14:00.000 Let's just outlaw ranching. 1.00
00:14:03.000 Let's just say, fuck it. 1.00
00:14:06.000 Well, there are 91 million cattle in the country. 1.00
00:14:09.000 So what will we do with them?
00:14:11.000 You just leave them alone.
00:14:12.000 Let nature take its course.
00:14:16.000 Yeah, but there's no nature to take its course. 1.00
00:14:18.000 It's 91 million head of fucking cattle. 0.99
00:14:21.000 And I can promise you this if you outlaw me feeding them and taking care of them, I'm not going to. 1.00
00:14:27.000 Then they're wandering the highway.
00:14:28.000 Yeah.
00:14:30.000 And then the bulls are out?
00:14:31.000 Yeah.
00:14:32.000 So you're going to keep the bulls contained? 0.96
00:14:34.000 The bulls are going to kill people.
00:14:34.000 No.
00:14:36.000 Yeah, and make more cattle. 1.00
00:14:37.000 Yeah, and make more cattle.
00:14:38.000 Yeah, so now we have 900 million cattle in three decades. 1.00
00:14:41.000 Yeah, and fuck all your fences. 1.00
00:14:42.000 Bulls are going to smash them. 1.00
00:14:45.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:14:45.000 Bulls are going to eat your grass. 1.00
00:14:48.000 Bulls are going to stomp your dog.
00:14:49.000 Like, what are you talking about?
00:14:51.000 I can't.
00:14:52.000 But it's not supposed to be logical.
00:14:54.000 It's all just a vibe, man.
00:14:57.000 It's like, and it's not even a well thought out one.
00:15:00.000 But the problem is, you don't have to be well thought out to get on the ballot.
00:15:03.000 You just have to appeal to certain sensibilities.
00:15:06.000 And then all of a sudden, people are like, oh, that would be good.
00:15:09.000 Let's stop animal cruelty.
00:15:12.000 And they're probably on SSRIs anyway.
00:15:14.000 It'll probably pass.
00:15:16.000 Nah.
00:15:17.000 According to this New York Times article, it was a guy.
00:15:17.000 Nah, I don't think it'll pass.
00:15:20.000 One guy.
00:15:21.000 One guy?
00:15:21.000 And got 135,000 signatures and got it passed to that level.
00:15:25.000 I wonder how many of them are homeless people.
00:15:28.000 He moved to Portland from Denver from Southern California, where I'm trying to figure out what he's doing.
00:15:36.000 Do we have a photo of this dude?
00:15:37.000 I want to see what this guy looks like.
00:15:38.000 Of course, he's from Southern California.
00:15:40.000 Of course, he is.
00:15:41.000 He's a vegan.
00:15:42.000 Oh, that's weird.
00:15:43.000 I would have never guessed.
00:15:44.000 Oh, substitute teacher.
00:15:46.000 It keeps getting better.
00:15:47.000 I lost it.
00:15:48.000 What else?
00:15:49.000 That's all it was saying.
00:15:50.000 They didn't frame him very well.
00:15:53.000 Well, they shouldn't.
00:15:55.000 It's a crazy idea.
00:15:56.000 There you go, Mickelson.
00:15:57.000 Yeah.
00:15:58.000 Substitute teacher, vegan, and petitions organizer.
00:16:01.000 It's to have a system where we're not killing or hurting animals anymore.
00:16:04.000 I love how he said a system.
00:16:06.000 What are you talking about?
00:16:07.000 What's a system?
00:16:07.000 What does that mean?
00:16:08.000 You're talking about nature?
00:16:10.000 What are you talking about? 1.00
00:16:11.000 Like, they're going to kill each other, stupid. 1.00
00:16:14.000 Like, what the fuck are you talking about? 1.00
00:16:17.000 Is it somehow or another less cruel when a mountain lion gets into a pen of sheep and tears them apart? 1.00
00:16:23.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:16:25.000 He figured the chance of meeting another gay vegan were better in Portland. 0.99
00:16:31.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:16:33.000 He's probably not wrong.
00:16:34.000 Yeah, it's probably a good bet.
00:16:36.000 Yeah, solid bet.
00:16:37.000 Yeah, Jesus.
00:16:38.000 He was sitting there going, Midland, Texas, Portland, Oregon, where am I? 0.99
00:16:41.000 Yeah, you gotta go to Portland and take some medication and just fucking have a good time. 0.98
00:16:46.000 There he is. 0.99
00:16:47.000 There we go.
00:16:47.000 Hey, fella.
00:16:51.000 Oh, he's already gotten too much attention from us. 0.71
00:16:53.000 Yeah, it's, uh, there's a lot of silly people in the world, and you know, like we were talking about with young people, if you get young people indoctrinated early enough to think These silly ideas make sense, which is one of the reasons why I love that Kevin Costner moment on your show when he had explained to that vegan lady. 0.87
00:17:11.000 Oh, yeah, it's such a good moment.
00:17:13.000 How cute does an animal have to be before you care if it lives?
00:17:16.000 Yeah, and what the actual life gets killed when you're just talking about farming just food, plowing a field, yeah, just plowing a field or go build a road.
00:17:29.000 Right, you want to destroy some organisms, go build a road, yeah.
00:17:34.000 If you're riding on those roads, you're in that system.
00:17:37.000 And then there's the bees.
00:17:38.000 Like the amount of bees that die every year, so we could have avocados is bananas.
00:17:43.000 Yeah. 0.97
00:17:44.000 Bring them in from Brazil. 0.90
00:17:46.000 By the billions. 0.96
00:17:47.000 By the billions.
00:17:48.000 And they die.
00:17:48.000 By the bee.
00:17:49.000 Bees, and then on top of the.
00:17:52.000 So it's avocados and almonds.
00:17:53.000 Those are the two big ones, right?
00:17:55.000 Yeah.
00:17:56.000 Almonds, you know what's fascinating?
00:17:57.000 And we can look it up.
00:18:01.000 Almonds, the amount, it's something like 19 gallons of water.
00:18:06.000 Is what you have to give to get one almond.
00:18:13.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:18:13.000 Is that real?
00:18:14.000 We can. 1.00
00:18:16.000 Yeah, it's fucking bananas. 0.99
00:18:18.000 My doctor told me almonds aren't even good for you. 0.99
00:18:20.000 Well, you know, it's.
00:18:22.000 He said they're okay for you.
00:18:23.000 He said, but, you know, there's.
00:18:25.000 There was a time in the Mediterranean where they were poisonous.
00:18:28.000 They have strychnine in them.
00:18:29.000 And it's one of the first domesticated plants.
00:18:33.000 And what people realized, whoever, Homo sapiens or Neanderthals or whoever's wandering around, They're like the squirrels are eating those poisonous nuts from that tree.
00:18:42.000 Huh.
00:18:43.000 They're okay from this one, not okay from that one.
00:18:46.000 So they started cutting down and uprooting all the ones where the squirrels wouldn't eat.
00:18:52.000 Oh, interesting.
00:18:53.000 Yeah.
00:18:54.000 And so that's the almond originally.
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00:20:24.000 That's so crazy.
00:20:27.000 And then, oh my God, here's my new like, look, I'm a writer, right?
00:20:31.000 So words matter to me, and when we misuse them in our society.
00:20:36.000 It just bothers me.
00:20:38.000 So, all these things that we're calling milk, like almond milk.
00:20:38.000 Right.
00:20:42.000 Right. 0.99
00:20:43.000 And I'm just determined to call it almond juice because that's what it fucking is. 0.98
00:20:47.000 It's not even almond juice. 0.98
00:20:49.000 It's not like we're extracting it.
00:20:50.000 It's almond tea almost. 0.98
00:20:52.000 We're taking almonds, pulverizing them, and brining them in water, essentially, leaching out the flavor of the almond and then adding a bunch of shit to it and sugar and water. 0.98
00:21:00.000 Adding a lot of sugar. 0.96
00:21:01.000 My friend Duncan was like, dude, almond milk is good for you.
00:21:04.000 I go, you're looking at how much sugar is in there? 0.99
00:21:06.000 And we were on the phone and he goes, holy shit. 0.99
00:21:09.000 I go, yeah, man, that's why it tastes good. 0.99
00:21:11.000 But my doctor told me I had oxalates in my diet, in my blood test.
00:21:17.000 He said, Your oxalates are kind of high.
00:21:18.000 He goes, Are you eating almonds?
00:21:20.000 And I said, Yeah.
00:21:21.000 I eat almonds all the time.
00:21:23.000 He's like, Yeah, cut back.
00:21:24.000 He goes, That's where it's from.
00:21:26.000 Really?
00:21:26.000 Yeah.
00:21:27.000 Find out how much oxalates are in almonds.
00:21:30.000 I just listened to him.
00:21:32.000 And also, it's a lot of that gluten free flour stuff.
00:21:37.000 If you buy a lot of that stuff, it's like almond flour a lot of the times.
00:21:41.000 Right.
00:21:42.000 Almonds are a high oxalate food.
00:21:44.000 Eating them can raise oxalate levels that circulate, get filtered by the kidneys, and appear in urine, which may increase kidney stone risk in susceptible people.
00:21:52.000 Yeah.
00:21:54.000 Almonds contain about 296 milligrams of oxalate per 100 grams, roughly 4 milligrams per nut, putting them in the high oxalate category.
00:22:03.000 Yeah.
00:22:04.000 Yeah, he said they're not bad if you just have them every now and then.
00:22:07.000 He goes, but don't do it on a regular basis.
00:22:10.000 Yeah.
00:22:13.000 There's a lot of stuff that is high oxalate that people don't think about that can really fuck you up.
00:22:17.000 Kale, for instance.
00:22:18.000 Like, I used to drink kale smoothies all the time until another doctor told me you really should cook the kale.
00:22:24.000 Cook it and then filter out whatever the water's in it.
00:22:27.000 And I go, Really?
00:22:28.000 I go, Why?
00:22:29.000 He goes, Oxalates.
00:22:30.000 He goes, You want to cook the oxalates out of them.
00:22:32.000 Really?
00:22:32.000 Yeah, and that's apparently what causes a lot of kidney stones.
00:22:35.000 With some folks, they drink a lot of those green smoothies, which I used to do every day.
00:22:39.000 I used to take a bunch of kale, throw in a bunch of apples and some ginger and some garlic and blend it all up and drink at the beginning of the day.
00:22:45.000 I thought I was doing a good thing.
00:22:47.000 And he was like, You're just blasting your system with oxalates.
00:22:51.000 And I was like, Oh.
00:22:52.000 All right. 1.00
00:22:54.000 Have some fucking eggs, bro. 1.00
00:22:54.000 Yeah, I know. 1.00
00:22:55.000 He said, have bacon.
00:22:56.000 Have some bacon. 1.00
00:22:57.000 I'm like, fucking bacon's better for you? 1.00
00:22:59.000 My journey of figuring out what to eat was a long one. 0.99
00:23:02.000 It was a long one, and thank God I got this podcast because if I hadn't had all those conversations with people where I realized, like, oh, so we're like, and now the food pyramid's completely flipped, which is hilarious.
00:23:13.000 Yeah. 0.91
00:23:13.000 But it's like I've had enough conversations where I realized, like, oh, all these people don't know what the fuck they're talking about and they're giving advice. 0.91
00:23:21.000 And it's weird. 0.98
00:23:22.000 It's weird how much bad advice there is for food and for health and for fucking fill in the blank, almost everything in our society. 0.92
00:23:30.000 Our food pyramid was created by Johnson Johnson. 0.96
00:23:32.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:23:33.000 Or Kellogg's, which is Johnson Johnson.
00:23:35.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:23:35.000 It's like, how do we get people to eat our shit in the morning and then again at lunch? 0.99
00:23:39.000 And then, well, the one thing that we can't control, and they talk about the one thing that we do not have is this massive industrialized meat production because. 0.99
00:23:52.000 There's no economical way to do it.
00:23:53.000 They'd do it if they could.
00:23:55.000 Harris Ranch, which you've probably seen off I 5 in California, is the closest version of that.
00:24:02.000 But what it is is a feed yard, right?
00:24:03.000 Where you get them together and feed cattle for 90 to 150 days before you go send them off and slaughter them, right?
00:24:11.000 That's the closest thing there is to an industrialized beef industry because it's a very inefficient way.
00:24:19.000 It's way better to farm.
00:24:22.000 Right, it's more efficient to farm than it is to graze cattle.
00:24:24.000 So, you only want to graze cattle somewhere that you can't farm at the end of the day.
00:24:28.000 You want to graze cattle, they are great at taking protein from poor protein sources and metabolizing it.
00:24:35.000 Right, so you graze them in real rocky terrain with native grasses that you can't farm, can't till it, just can't.
00:24:42.000 Um, and it needs to be eaten by something or weeds will overtake it.
00:24:47.000 Right, because grass grows better when it's being grazed.
00:24:52.000 And so there's no way to industrialize that or centralize it.
00:24:56.000 The most centralized it is is at the packing house, right, where you've got four major packing houses that control 90 something percent of the beef industry.
00:25:05.000 And that's starting to change.
00:25:07.000 COVID was extremely helpful for the smaller farmer and rancher to sit there and get their product out, right, and find small, they start popping up.
00:25:15.000 People have opened these USDA facilities that don't process 800 head of cattle an hour.
00:25:22.000 They maybe do.
00:25:23.000 50 or 50 a day.
00:25:26.000 And now people can go there because they're a USDA facility.
00:25:29.000 They can buy beef directly from them, buy it from the rancher, right?
00:25:33.000 And you can control where your food's coming from, as opposed to what was happening where you'd get a bunch of, if you're going to go get a burger, you're eating some Australian killer bowl, right?
00:25:46.000 For the most part, or something from Brazil.
00:25:50.000 You're not eating something that you want to eat, right?
00:25:54.000 When you go to a nice steakhouse, The stakes there are going to come from most likely Texas, Iowa, Nebraska, Montana.
00:26:07.000 There's select areas where people are spending that kind of attention and time to raise that kind of quality of beef, right?
00:26:15.000 And it's being done by smaller ranchers.
00:26:16.000 It may be a big ranch, but it's still operated by relatively few people.
00:26:21.000 You know, 46 is 300,000 acres, but there's 12 cowboys.
00:26:26.000 Wow, 12 cowboys for 300,000 acres is nuts.
00:26:30.000 Yeah.
00:26:31.000 How do they keep track of everything?
00:26:33.000 We break it down into pastures, and then the pastures fall under—the terminology is this.
00:26:40.000 Say, oh, if you're in Guthrie, there's a camp, and we call it South Camp because it's in the South.
00:26:47.000 And it's responsible for 50,000 acres, which is broken down into multiple pastures that are between 7,000 and 10,000 acres.
00:26:56.000 There's one big pasture in that camp that's like 14,000 acres.
00:27:02.000 And so then you have North Camp.
00:27:04.000 You have what we call, then we have camps around the town, little town of Guffrey.
00:27:10.000 So you break it down into the responsibility of each cowboy's somewhere between 35,000 and 50,000 acres.
00:27:17.000 Wow.
00:27:19.000 Wow, that's a hell of a responsibility.
00:27:23.000 Yeah.
00:27:23.000 That's a lot of work, man.
00:27:24.000 A lot of work.
00:27:25.000 You know what's really interesting about your shows, particularly Yellowstone, it got people really attracted to the idea of brutal hard work as being romantic.
00:27:35.000 Yeah. 0.88
00:27:36.000 You know, people really identified with those guys on Yellowstone that were just so dedicated to that ranch, so dedicated to busting their ass and working all day long, hard fucking work, and then just hanging out together afterwards. 0.50
00:27:51.000 And there's something about that life that's so simplistic and romantic to people that it just really resonated with so many people. 0.71
00:27:58.000 They didn't even know that they liked that.
00:28:00.000 Well, it's uniquely American, right?
00:28:04.000 And the amount of freedom that is.
00:28:06.000 So we move somebody out to South Camp and we go, okay, so here you are.
00:28:11.000 See you in a week or so.
00:28:11.000 There's your house at South Camp.
00:28:16.000 Go figure shit out. 0.99
00:28:19.000 Keep track of the cattle. 1.00
00:28:20.000 And you give them a string of horses and they work their horses and they ride that.
00:28:24.000 Property.
00:28:25.000 They know every inch of it.
00:28:26.000 And you don't ever, you don't, we don't, we don't have weekly corporate meetings.
00:28:30.000 How do they get supplies?
00:28:31.000 Is like the house stocked in advance?
00:28:33.000 Or go to town, you know, towns, which is an endeavor, right?
00:28:33.000 Yeah.
00:28:38.000 Towns 90 miles away.
00:28:40.000 So you go to town once a week, right?
00:28:43.000 Stock up, go back.
00:28:43.000 Stock up.
00:28:45.000 Wow.
00:28:46.000 Yeah.
00:28:47.000 But it's, it's, it's a crazy life.
00:28:49.000 And people incorrect, not every, this isn't true of every cowboy.
00:28:53.000 There's plenty of cowboys that typically they grow up on that ranch and that's the life that they know and that's what they want to do.
00:28:59.000 Right.
00:28:59.000 But they still go off to college.
00:29:02.000 Like almost every one of my cowboys has a ranch management degree.
00:29:07.000 Like they went to school.
00:29:08.000 Wow.
00:29:09.000 To study.
00:29:10.000 What's a good school if you want to be a cowboy?
00:29:13.000 I mean, there's quite a few of them.
00:29:14.000 Texas Tech.
00:29:16.000 I mean, that's a phenomenal ranch management program.
00:29:17.000 A bunch of the guys on the Sixes went there.
00:29:20.000 TCU has a ranch management program, a good one.
00:29:23.000 Texas AM.
00:29:25.000 You know, we have vets that live on the ranch. 0.96
00:29:28.000 Obviously, we breed a ton of horses.
00:29:31.000 And so our vets, Colorado State's an excellent veterinary school for large animal vets.
00:29:35.000 Obviously, Texas AM is a phenomenal school, Texas Tech as well.
00:29:39.000 Those are. 0.99
00:29:40.000 Dude, how the fuck do you pay attention to everything? 0.99
00:29:42.000 You're running a gigantic ranch and you have about 48 TV shows. 1.00
00:29:47.000 How the fuck do you do it? 0.99
00:29:48.000 I don't understand it. 1.00
00:29:50.000 Every time a new Taylor Sheridan show pops up, I say to my wife, I go, how the fuck is he doing this? 0.95
00:29:55.000 Like, where does he have this time?
00:29:57.000 Part of it is if you think about it, so my crew, my core crew, is the same crew I made Wind River with.
00:30:04.000 Like when we had no money.
00:30:06.000 I remember one time I'm on the top of a mountain with me and my first AD and my DP, Ben Richardson, and there's not a producer.
00:30:15.000 We haven't seen anybody in a week.
00:30:18.000 And I looked at, we're freezing our asses off at seven below zero in northern Utah. 0.98
00:30:21.000 And I'm like, guys, you know, we could just fuck off to Hawaii and nobody would know for a while. 0.99
00:30:29.000 We have their money and they don't know. 0.99
00:30:31.000 They don't actually know where we are.
00:30:33.000 They're just trusting that we're going to make this movie.
00:30:36.000 which we did.
00:30:37.000 And it was incredibly difficult.
00:30:39.000 But that's the same team that went over and did Yellowstone, which is then the same team that went up and did Mayor of Kingstown with me.
00:30:46.000 And then 1883, 23, Lioness, Landman, all of them.
00:30:51.000 And we've promoted from within.
00:30:53.000 I've got PAs that are now first ADs.
00:30:56.000 I've got camera operators that are now directors.
00:31:00.000 So we've promoted from within.
00:31:01.000 So everyone understands the way we do it.
00:31:03.000 And it's so friggin' efficient.
00:31:05.000 We don't ever have, and you know, because you've been in this industry forever.
00:31:09.000 These people will have meetings upon meeting upon meeting.
00:31:13.000 They'll have a tone meeting where a whole bunch of people are going to sit around and try and talk about the tone of the script. 1.00
00:31:19.000 What, didn't you read the fucking thing? 0.99
00:31:23.000 We have to have a meeting about it? 0.99
00:31:25.000 How about we don't have a meeting about it?
00:31:26.000 And then they'll have a, they'll have a, and this is also networks. 0.99
00:31:30.000 They love this shit so that they can have a reason for their existence, right? 0.99
00:31:33.000 All these middle management people. 1.00
00:31:35.000 And they want to do a prop show and tell where someone's going to come show them all the props that we're going to use.
00:31:41.000 Really? 0.99
00:31:41.000 Well, we don't do that shit because I'm like, I need your permission to use which Bic lighter I'm going to use in this fucking scene. 0.99
00:31:48.000 How about I just make the decision? 0.99
00:31:50.000 And how about we use the same Bic Lighter in all these fucking shows and I don't ever have to pick a Bic Lighter again? 0.98
00:31:57.000 How about that? 0.94
00:31:58.000 So we just streamlined it and made it to where it's so efficient.
00:32:01.000 Typically, a TV show will start up and they'll prep for 12 weeks before they start filming.
00:32:08.000 We do it in four.
00:32:10.000 Wow.
00:32:11.000 Well, that makes sense. 0.99
00:32:12.000 It makes sense that it's streamlined because I've been on shows when they first start out and it's chaos and there's a lot of network involvement and there's a lot of bullshit. 0.53
00:32:21.000 But then once it gets going, they go, Oh, you guys know what you're doing.
00:32:23.000 Yeah.
00:32:24.000 Leave me alone. 0.63
00:32:24.000 Yeah. 0.63
00:32:25.000 Yeah.
00:32:25.000 We're there from the beginning now.
00:32:27.000 That's beautiful.
00:32:28.000 We haven't missed.
00:32:28.000 If you don't miss.
00:32:29.000 Right.
00:32:30.000 Well, it's like you don't miss.
00:32:32.000 Like you don't miss with the writing.
00:32:33.000 You don't miss with the storylines.
00:32:34.000 Like you don't have any duds, man, which is incredible.
00:32:37.000 This is incredible. 0.99
00:32:38.000 It's an incredible accomplishment to have that many fucking shows and all of them be good and all of them be, you know, like very addictive. 0.99
00:32:46.000 You know, Land Man is so addictive. 0.99
00:32:49.000 It's that show.
00:32:51.000 It's about something very serious.
00:32:53.000 And then I can just. 1.00
00:32:54.000 Throw shit at it. 1.00
00:32:55.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:32:55.000 Let's just take a bunch of old people to a strip club. 1.00
00:32:57.000 Billy Bob is fucking awesome. 1.00
00:32:59.000 He's a genius. 0.92
00:32:59.000 I love that guy. 0.92
00:33:00.000 He's so good on that show.
00:33:02.000 It's like it was made for him.
00:33:03.000 It was made for him.
00:33:04.000 I mean, he's done so many things.
00:33:05.000 I went to Billy Bob before I wrote a word and I told him, I said, if you don't do this, I'm not going to do it because I'm not going to chase my tail.
00:33:15.000 He goes, what is it?
00:33:15.000 I said, I want to do, I said, basically, I want to take your character from Bad Santa and put him in West Texas and run an old company.
00:33:23.000 He goes, you want the guy from Bad Santa to run an old company?
00:33:24.000 I said, that's what I want. 0.87
00:33:26.000 He goes, that sounds fucking awesome. 0.92
00:33:29.000 Well, it's educational, too. 0.74
00:33:32.000 I mean, a lot of people have no idea how the oil business works.
00:33:36.000 And you watch that show, you go, Jesus Christ, what a crazy job.
00:33:40.000 It's an insane job.
00:33:42.000 And the other thing about it is we're so completely dependent upon petroleum in every single aspect of our lives.
00:33:51.000 So completely dependent upon it.
00:33:52.000 And we can debate how bad it is or isn't, or not debate it.
00:33:57.000 The reality is, we don't have an alternative.
00:33:59.000 Like, it does not exist.
00:34:01.000 It simply doesn't exist.
00:34:03.000 And we could sit there and say, well, when did this?
00:34:05.000 No.
00:34:06.000 You sit down with any climatologist and any engineer, they're going to tell you our best hope for a replacement of petroleum fuels is cold fusion, and we're 30, 40 years from it being something that we can rely upon.
00:34:20.000 And reduce little nuclear reactors, like itty bitties, like the size of this coffee pot.
00:34:25.000 That's what they're talking about.
00:34:26.000 They're talking about like individual reactors.
00:34:28.000 That people have in their homes.
00:34:29.000 I'm like, how long does it take before there's disasters? 0.99
00:34:33.000 That sounds fucking. 0.92
00:34:35.000 Having a really good nuclear power plant for a city is an awesome idea. 0.99
00:34:39.000 Having everyone have their own nuclear power plant sounds fucking crazy. 0.99
00:34:44.000 How many assholes are going to cut into that thing? 1.00
00:34:46.000 Well, people still put fucking metal in microwaves. 1.00
00:34:48.000 So I don't think we should be giving. 0.99
00:34:51.000 I've done it.
00:34:52.000 I'm like, well, how bad can it really be? 0.99
00:34:53.000 There's people that leave their fucking gas on so that someone can die in the house. 0.99
00:34:57.000 No, we don't need it. 1.00
00:34:58.000 People are nuts. 0.99
00:34:59.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:35:00.000 If you literally have consumer level nuclear power plants, not with these monkeys. 0.99
00:35:00.000 People are nuts. 0.99
00:35:07.000 Not with the human beings that we are today, our current form. 0.98
00:35:11.000 We're not enlightened enough to have personal nuclear power plants in our house.
00:35:17.000 No. 1.00
00:35:17.000 Oh, fuck. 1.00
00:35:18.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:35:19.000 So we're dependent upon it.
00:35:20.000 And that's why we're in Iran right now. 0.84
00:35:23.000 Oh, yeah. 0.89
00:35:24.000 And also because of Israel.
00:35:25.000 But, I mean, we're in Iran.
00:35:28.000 I mean, the whole thing about it is the oil.
00:35:30.000 The Strait of Hormuz, it's like, I think it's 40% of the world's oil supply passes through there.
00:35:35.000 Yeah.
00:35:36.000 Christ.
00:35:37.000 No, that's.
00:35:39.000 And I think also.
00:35:41.000 China. 0.83
00:35:42.000 It's a big play against, it's a chess piece against China. 0.98
00:35:47.000 That's what I think. 0.98
00:35:48.000 Yeah, all of it's fucking terrifying. 0.97
00:35:51.000 And I'm not saying we should have or we shouldn't have. 0.97
00:35:55.000 I'm not commenting politically. 1.00
00:35:57.000 But what those guys, those SF guys did in Venezuela was fucking gangster. 1.00
00:36:05.000 It's crazy. 0.99
00:36:05.000 Whether, I'm not saying they should or shouldn't. 0.99
00:36:08.000 Right.
00:36:08.000 I'm just saying.
00:36:09.000 The team was sent and, Than the team.
00:36:13.000 I mean, can you imagine? 0.99
00:36:14.000 If I wrote it in a movie, people would go, that's fucking ridiculous, Taylor. 0.99
00:36:17.000 Right. 0.99
00:36:18.000 We don't have the tech yet. 1.00
00:36:18.000 You're going to fly a bunch of SF dudes, drop them off on the roof of this high rise surrounded by the fucking Cuban special forces, and they're going to kill all of them. 1.00
00:36:26.000 And then they're going to fucking snatch him and his wife, go back to the roof, and just fucking fly away. 0.99
00:36:32.000 That's what they did. 1.00
00:36:34.000 And they're going to do it with sound.
00:36:36.000 They're going to disable everyone with a sound weapon.
00:36:38.000 Like, what?
00:36:40.000 Like, there was.
00:36:40.000 Do you remember when they first started talking about that Havana syndrome?
00:36:43.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:36:44.000 This is horseshit. 0.99
00:36:44.000 We're dismissing it. 0.99
00:36:45.000 This is bullshit. 0.99
00:36:46.000 Like, no, they're talking about people that are in Havana that they've been targeted. 0.99
00:36:46.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:36:50.000 Something zapped them.
00:36:51.000 Low level frequencies that made them nauseous.
00:36:54.000 And I think that is a fraction of whatever they unleashed in Venezuela.
00:36:54.000 Yeah.
00:36:58.000 Who knows?
00:36:59.000 The discombobulator.
00:37:00.000 That's what it's called.
00:37:01.000 A classified secret weapon system.
00:37:04.000 President Donald Trump claimed U.S. forces used during the January 3rd operation to capture Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro.
00:37:11.000 He stated that the weapon successfully disabled enemy equipment and air defenses, preventing them from firing back. 0.97
00:37:19.000 So it's both.
00:37:20.000 It disables the people and it disables their weapon system.
00:37:25.000 What?
00:37:25.000 That's amazing.
00:37:26.000 What the fuck are we doing? 0.99
00:37:28.000 Official silence. 0.99
00:37:29.000 When asked for specific technical or operational details about how the device functions, Trump famously told the New York Post, I'm not allowed to talk about it.
00:37:39.000 He says they press buttons.
00:37:41.000 He claimed the defense forces pressed buttons and nothing worked, disabling both Russian and Chinese made rockets and radar.
00:37:50.000 If weapon affected both mechanical equipment and personnel, he also referred to it as.
00:37:55.000 You also referred to a sonic weapon being used against Maduro's Cuban security detail inside a heavily fortified fortress. 0.99
00:38:03.000 Fucking A, man. 0.98
00:38:05.000 I would love to see what that looks like. 0.99
00:38:07.000 You know, I bet they have video too.
00:38:09.000 Oh, sure.
00:38:10.000 Yeah.
00:38:11.000 All wearing GoPros. 0.91
00:38:12.000 I'd love to go into a skiff.
00:38:13.000 Just show me the video.
00:38:14.000 I won't say nothing.
00:38:15.000 I want to see what it looks like.
00:38:16.000 I just want to watch.
00:38:17.000 What does it look like when somebody gets zapped by sound and gets fully disabled?
00:38:21.000 Like, apparently, they just fell to the ground in agony.
00:38:23.000 They couldn't move.
00:38:24.000 Yeah.
00:38:25.000 And they just went in and shot everyone. 0.94
00:38:26.000 And then some freaking SF snipers were just freaking on top of that, just raining down on them. 0.98
00:38:31.000 It's crazy. 0.83
00:38:32.000 Like that guy thought he was safe.
00:38:34.000 Crazy.
00:38:35.000 And there's a famous video of him saying, Come and get me. 0.88
00:38:37.000 Oh, yeah.
00:38:38.000 Bro.
00:38:38.000 Yeah, be careful.
00:38:40.000 What bear you poke.
00:38:41.000 Yeah.
00:38:42.000 Also, it's like, none of us know what the tip of the spear technology and weapon systems is available right now.
00:38:50.000 We don't know.
00:38:50.000 They don't tell us.
00:38:52.000 Obviously, no one knew this fucking discombobulator thing existed. 0.98
00:38:52.000 They don't tell us. 0.98
00:38:57.000 This is science fiction.
00:38:58.000 Yeah.
00:38:58.000 Right?
00:38:59.000 If this was 20 years ago, you'd be like, that's not a real thing. 0.99
00:39:02.000 But now you're like, oh shit, they used it? 0.99
00:39:04.000 It's not just a concept, they fucking used it. 1.00
00:39:07.000 What else? 0.98
00:39:07.000 What are they cooking out in the desert in the middle of Nevada? 0.98
00:39:10.000 Who knows?
00:39:12.000 Yeah, and think about this.
00:39:12.000 For that to be used, there's something four generations past that.
00:39:17.000 100%.
00:39:17.000 They're playing with now.
00:39:18.000 Yeah, 100%. 0.99
00:39:20.000 You know, this whole UAP world stuff, like when they start talking about UAPs, all of my bullshit alarms go off, all of them. 0.95
00:39:31.000 It's like, I don't believe if you knew things you would tell us. 0.97
00:39:34.000 So I don't believe you're telling us the truth.
00:39:38.000 I think they have some special access programs that they've been working on for decades.
00:39:44.000 Decades and decades in some super high level shit that involves some sort of novel propulsion system, and they have that stuff flying around in the sky.
00:39:54.000 I think that's what a lot of people are seeing. 0.94
00:39:56.000 That's what a lot of people are seeing. 0.99
00:39:58.000 That doesn't discount the idea that there's something else out there because I think there is, but I think there's a giant chunk of the shit that people are seeing that's ours. 0.98
00:40:06.000 Yeah, testing. 0.98
00:40:07.000 Yeah, testing, doing stuff with it. 1.00
00:40:09.000 If there was an intelligent life form that had stumbled upon our barbaric asses, Why would they not go, hey guys, fire up that fucking missile and take? 1.00
00:40:19.000 We found this blue planet. 1.00
00:40:20.000 We got to get rid of this thing.
00:40:21.000 Well, I think maybe every intelligent species that's tribal and territorial has to go through an adolescent period of their evolution.
00:40:30.000 And if you look at human history, you know, I was reading about Vlad the Impaler last night.
00:40:36.000 Jesus Christ.
00:40:37.000 And how many of the Ottoman Turks that got killed and his famous methods of putting people on posts. 0.99
00:40:45.000 And separating them down the line on the road so that as these poor guys are traveling to go and fight him, they just see the enemy stuck on skewers and in geometric patterns and shit. 0.73
00:40:55.000 He would do them in like stars and stuff. 1.00
00:40:58.000 Just, he was a vicious motherfucker. 0.99
00:40:59.000 And he's the motivation behind or the, you know, the inspiration behind Dracula. 1.00
00:41:05.000 And I was reading about that guy. 1.00
00:41:06.000 I'm like, fuck, people have always been awful. 1.00
00:41:09.000 They've always been awful. 1.00
00:41:11.000 But they just like, as time goes on, they get a little less awful.
00:41:15.000 A little less.
00:41:16.000 Like, we're a little less awful now. 0.73
00:41:18.000 Than we were during Nazi Germany.
00:41:20.000 Not totally great.
00:41:23.000 Not collectively.
00:41:24.000 Right.
00:41:24.000 Certain.
00:41:25.000 We're still willing to do genocide.
00:41:26.000 Some of us are.
00:41:27.000 But it's less approved.
00:41:30.000 It's less.
00:41:32.000 More people are horrified at it.
00:41:33.000 It's like human beings are getting a little bit better.
00:41:36.000 It's not as quick as we'd like.
00:41:38.000 I think if I was an alien life form, I would say you have to wait this out.
00:41:43.000 It's like if you have a kid, you've got to let the kid fall down and stumble.
00:41:46.000 You've got to let him get hurt.
00:41:47.000 You've got to let.
00:41:48.000 Things happen. 1.00
00:41:49.000 You got to let him fuck up and figure it out himself. 1.00
00:41:51.000 You got to figure this out. 1.00
00:41:52.000 Make it right. 1.00
00:41:53.000 You fuck this up. 0.99
00:41:54.000 You got to give him a chance to become better. 0.99
00:41:57.000 I think as a civilization, I would think the same thing would apply.
00:42:00.000 You have to give this civilization time to evolve and adapt and get past where it's at right now.
00:42:07.000 I don't think that you do that by intervening and grabbing us by the hand and showing us the way.
00:42:12.000 I think what you do is you hang back and make sure that we don't nuke each other and just sort of pay attention.
00:42:20.000 To all the different international ongoings and just let human beings slowly but surely evolve.
00:42:28.000 That's what I would do if I was an intelligent life form observing people.
00:42:32.000 The interesting thing that we're, as a civilization, facing now, and it's always happened in some capacity when a society gets wealthy, really wealthy, and people start to question wealth and how can we be more equitable.
00:42:48.000 And it comes across like compassion, but it really comes down to a debate of.
00:42:53.000 What is more valuable to a society?
00:42:55.000 Is self-determination more valuable or is equity more valuable? 0.99
00:43:00.000 And by equity, what I mean is everyone gets exactly the same shit, everyone. 0.99
00:43:06.000 So you take them off them. 0.98
00:43:07.000 We're not on a monetary society anymore.
00:43:09.000 Now you're working for the collective, and you're hearing that word thrown around a lot these days.
00:43:15.000 The problem with working for the collective is who decides who picks up the trash?
00:43:21.000 And who decides who gets to go represent your nation at the Olympics?
00:43:26.000 Who gets to decide who gets to.
00:43:30.000 Is someone going to let me go make TV shows?
00:43:33.000 Which, by the way, I wouldn't do for free. 0.92
00:43:35.000 It's too fucking hard.
00:43:37.000 So now I don't want to do it. 0.76
00:43:39.000 Well, then you got to go do this.
00:43:40.000 Well, I don't want to do that either.
00:43:42.000 And that's the problem.
00:43:43.000 And then they force you to do things.
00:43:44.000 And then how do they do that?
00:43:44.000 Yeah.
00:43:45.000 They do that with guns. 0.64
00:43:46.000 Yeah.
00:43:46.000 So then, so, so the, you either have self determination or in your attempt to be collective, you have to surrender that.
00:43:56.000 And then you're surrendering it to who? 0.99
00:43:59.000 And, and now you have a dictatorship no matter what the fuck you thought you had. 0.99
00:44:03.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:44:03.000 It always comes back to that. 0.99
00:44:04.000 It always, you can, you can look at Marxism and Leninism and what Lenin was talking about.
00:44:11.000 His hopes, whether they were his hopes or not.
00:44:15.000 But it devolved into an authoritarian regime very, very quickly.
00:44:21.000 And communism, socialism, fascism, Nazism, they're all very, very similar.
00:44:29.000 The differences are superficial.
00:44:30.000 I think Ayn Rand said that they're just superficial variations between the exact same thing, which is the evil of the collective.
00:44:38.000 The evil of the collective and human beings desire to control their people.
00:44:41.000 Yeah.
00:44:42.000 They love to.
00:44:43.000 And anytime you give them a chance where they could feel righteous about controlling people, they jump at it.
00:44:48.000 And they have an opportunity to classify people.
00:44:52.000 There's good people and bad people.
00:44:53.000 And the bad people, you can do whatever you want to them, they're the other.
00:44:57.000 And that happens with every time groups get into power like that and tell you what you can and can't do.
00:45:04.000 And you're seeing that being embraced shockingly more and more all over the world.
00:45:10.000 People are embracing more government power and more government control.
00:45:14.000 And it's really crazy.
00:45:15.000 It's really crazy to see.
00:45:17.000 I think that, number one, I think in 30 years when they look back, like we're still suffering from a society from COVID, like still.
00:45:17.000 It's unique.
00:45:32.000 And not so much from the disease itself, but from our faith in the institutions around us, whether it's government, whether it's the media, whether it's pharmaceutical companies.
00:45:45.000 And The way that it was manipulated to gain power for a political group and it was effective and so when something's effective then people just keep doing the same thing until it's no longer effective, right?
00:46:03.000 We did that in our military with the wins, hearts, and minds, right? 0.96
00:46:07.000 So that all comes from Japan, right?
00:46:09.000 We're going to win the hearts and minds of Japanese.
00:46:11.000 Well, the Japanese surrendered. 0.86
00:46:13.000 Their emperor who they looked at as a god, he told the people of Japan after we dropped two freaking nuclear bombs on them.
00:46:21.000 Hey, we are going to endure the unendurable.
00:46:23.000 We are going to surrender.
00:46:24.000 It's the only way that we can salvage our nation.
00:46:28.000 So they willfully surrendered.
00:46:31.000 And then our government goes, look how great this hearts and mind stuff's working.
00:46:34.000 It's not working.
00:46:35.000 It's not working at all. 0.70
00:46:37.000 And then they tried it in Vietnam.
00:46:39.000 Didn't work.
00:46:40.000 Tried it everywhere else that we've had a conflict.
00:46:42.000 We've tried it, and it hasn't worked yet because what it was based on was flawed, right?
00:46:47.000 Because they chose to be subjugated at that time.
00:46:51.000 And making that choice kept them an independent nation.
00:46:55.000 So, our government, and it's so dangerous what we're seeing.
00:47:02.000 You can like Trump or not like Trump.
00:47:04.000 It doesn't – people are going to like presidents and dislike presidents.
00:47:08.000 But now defying the rule of law because he happens to be the head of the federal government and openly defying the federal government, the repercussions of that are going to be, okay, fine, you can't stand this man.
00:47:26.000 You think he's a terrible president and you're not going to follow his laws, but that's the new normal now.
00:47:32.000 So when a president gets in that you do support, Then the other side, because we've established this precedent, they're just not going to follow his laws either.
00:47:39.000 And now we've eroded the rule of law.
00:47:43.000 And then what happens?
00:47:45.000 The slippery slope is very dangerous.
00:47:49.000 I was saying that when the ICE raids were going on because I was like, okay, I am not in favor of illegal criminals being in this country.
00:47:58.000 However, we're setting a very alarming precedent where you have masked, militarized police with no ID.
00:48:08.000 That are running around the cities snatching people up.
00:48:12.000 Like, this could set a precedent that could be used by the left if they get into power for something different than just for ICE.
00:48:21.000 We've already accepted the idea of militarized police on our streets and that people with seven weeks training, you're just sending them out to snatch up people.
00:48:30.000 And a lot of American citizens are getting caught up in that trap too, unfortunately, and then they have to get released.
00:48:37.000 Like, that could.
00:48:38.000 That could be bad if the next party gets in. 0.99
00:48:43.000 So, if the Democrats get in next and they decide, like maybe there's a new COVID strain happens, some new pandemic happens, whatever the fuck it is. 0.97
00:48:53.000 And if you don't get the vaccine, they're going to arrest you and then they start the same. 0.99
00:48:56.000 Yes.
00:48:56.000 We saw it in, I think it was Minnesota or whoever they had the National Guard on the streets, but they had people enforcing lockdowns.
00:49:04.000 And so they had people walking down the streets with fucking guns, yelling at people to get in your house over a cold. 1.00
00:49:11.000 Like this, these kind of slippery slopes, you might think, no, we're just trying to get rid of the bad immigrants. 1.00
00:49:18.000 I get it. 1.00
00:49:19.000 I'm with you.
00:49:20.000 I agree.
00:49:21.000 However, the way they're doing it, doing it, I don't know, I'm not even saying there's another way or a better way.
00:49:28.000 I'm just saying that you want to get them out all at once.
00:49:30.000 Yeah, that's the way to do it.
00:49:31.000 You want to get them out quick?
00:49:32.000 That's the way to do it.
00:49:33.000 Because they got them in quick.
00:49:34.000 You're right. 1.00
00:49:35.000 They opened the fucking border, they helped people get in. 0.99
00:49:38.000 But now that they're in, if you're going to get them out that way, you're setting a weird precedent. 0.99
00:49:44.000 You're setting a precedent that could be used in other ways.
00:49:46.000 Yeah, that's the challenge is okay, we need to enforce the law, right?
00:49:54.000 Or don't have them, right?
00:49:56.000 They've enacted no new laws.
00:49:57.000 These are the same immigration laws that were on the books when Obama was president and Clinton was president.
00:50:02.000 The same rules.
00:50:04.000 It's the methodology.
00:50:06.000 And you've got to sit there and weigh the pros and cons about, okay, the pros of trying to eradicate this issue.
00:50:16.000 You can't give it a deadline.
00:50:18.000 Yeah.
00:50:18.000 Right?
00:50:20.000 It's slippery.
00:50:21.000 It is slippery.
00:50:22.000 And again, it's what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
00:50:26.000 And these politicians right now who are doing all of us a tremendous disservice in Washington, I feel, our elected officials, because they're not thinking beyond this next election.
00:50:40.000 And maybe they never have.
00:50:41.000 They never have.
00:50:42.000 But they were better at hiding it, maybe.
00:50:42.000 Right?
00:50:44.000 I think there's no internet.
00:50:45.000 But, well, true.
00:50:46.000 I think that's what it is.
00:50:47.000 There was no social media.
00:50:48.000 But I think we've reached a point as they.
00:50:51.000 As politicians talk about eliminating the electoral college, they talk about eliminating the filibuster, eliminating packing courts, all these things because their side's not in power.
00:51:00.000 And so we're just going to take the structure of the government and totally rework it to benefit us temporarily.
00:51:06.000 But then those same benefits that you have now will be used against you.
00:51:10.000 They will 100% be used against you.
00:51:12.000 I think the most important legislation that we can pass right now is term limits.
00:51:19.000 I think 12 years tops in Congress, and I think probably 12 years in the Senate.
00:51:25.000 Two six year terms in the Senate.
00:51:28.000 That's more than enough time. 0.99
00:51:29.000 That's a lot of fucking time. 0.99
00:51:31.000 That's enough. 0.99
00:51:32.000 We don't need anyone else.
00:51:34.000 I mean, I don't know how it's become. 0.99
00:51:36.000 How the fuck is Nancy Pelosi worth $400 million? 1.00
00:51:39.000 How the fuck? 1.00
00:51:40.000 Well, I know how. 1.00
00:51:41.000 Yeah, she gets in on all these fucking IPOs. 1.00
00:51:43.000 Exactly. 1.00
00:51:43.000 Right. 1.00
00:51:44.000 She's going to pass the legislation that allows Visa to go public, and then she's going to get a big chunk of it. 1.00
00:51:50.000 And then when she's confronted about it, look a reporter dead in the eye and fucking lie to him. 0.99
00:51:54.000 I don't know what you're talking about. 0.99
00:51:55.000 I didn't do that.
00:51:56.000 We know you did it.
00:51:56.000 No conspiracy.
00:51:57.000 We could look at how much stock you own.
00:51:59.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:52:00.000 Fucking liar. 1.00
00:52:00.000 They all do it. 1.00
00:52:01.000 Yes.
00:52:02.000 People are calling out Rokan on Twitter today. 1.00
00:52:04.000 They're fucking rich. 1.00
00:52:04.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:52:05.000 Everyone's getting rich.
00:52:05.000 Yeah.
00:52:06.000 They get paid $175,000 a year and they're all fucking millionaires. 0.99
00:52:09.000 Super millionaires. 0.99
00:52:10.000 They're all like, she's intensely wealthy.
00:52:13.000 That's almost a half a billion dollars. 1.00
00:52:15.000 That's nuts as a public servant.
00:52:17.000 That's nuts. 0.92
00:52:18.000 Yeah, it's insanity.
00:52:20.000 And it's, you know, that's what we're used to.
00:52:24.000 We're just, we just, we know it's bad and we just accept it. 0.98
00:52:28.000 And people are busy and they have families and mortgages and shit to deal with. 0.98
00:52:32.000 And so they complain and they keep on trucking. 0.98
00:52:35.000 Yeah.
00:52:35.000 I mean, I have, as we, Discussed.
00:52:37.000 I have other jobs.
00:52:38.000 I don't have a pile of time to dedicate to it.
00:52:41.000 It's tough for me to talk politics because I don't have hours in my day to sift through what's real and not real on Instagram or social, whatever. 0.99
00:52:49.000 I'm not on that shit, but I can't. 0.98
00:52:51.000 It's hard to form an opinion because, man, I don't know. 0.99
00:52:54.000 And I don't know where to go to get honest news.
00:52:57.000 I'm not the news.
00:52:58.000 I know that. 1.00
00:52:59.000 I can't turn on the fucking news because they've fucking been lying to us. 0.99
00:53:05.000 They stopped being, I don't know if they were ever impartial, but I know that. 0.99
00:53:13.000 I remember there was a guy, I was a kid, he was running for president.
00:53:18.000 His name was Jack Kemp.
00:53:20.000 I remember Jack Kemp.
00:53:20.000 And I want to say it was Dan Rather.
00:53:24.000 It may not have been.
00:53:25.000 It may have been some other newscaster.
00:53:28.000 And there's a debate amongst all these different potential candidates for president.
00:53:34.000 And as he's introducing all of these various politicians, he's saying so and so Harvard graduate and law professor from here and this former senator and this and that and the other.
00:53:45.000 This person here, and they get to Jack Kemp, and he goes back up quarterback and born again Christian Jack Kemp.
00:53:51.000 I'm like, wow, you just sunk that dude.
00:53:55.000 Everyone else, you gave what their jobs were and talked about their accomplishments.
00:53:59.000 And this, you just said he didn't start at quarterback, and he's you call that his religion, dude.
00:54:04.000 And that's the first time I ever remember I'm like, I know your opinion, I'm not supposed to know your opinion.
00:54:11.000 You're supposed to be giving me news, right?
00:54:13.000 You're supposed to be giving me.
00:54:15.000 Honest, unbiased information so I can make a decision.
00:54:18.000 And you're making a decision for me or trying to.
00:54:21.000 And they've gotten so, as news became entertainment, I mean, CNN's the worst thing that ever happened to news because it's 24 hours.
00:54:21.000 Yeah.
00:54:28.000 And now all of a sudden, there's not 24 hours worth of news all the time, right?
00:54:32.000 There is during a war, right?
00:54:34.000 You can show us news, you know, war footage the whole time and talk about the war and why war and why no war. 0.97
00:54:39.000 But when there's not, you got to make some shit up or push an opinion. 0.96
00:54:42.000 And that's where we've gotten with news now. 0.97
00:54:45.000 Now it's news is. 0.99
00:54:48.000 Piss them off and scare the shit out of them. 0.99
00:54:50.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:54:50.000 That's how we keep them watching. 1.00
00:54:52.000 And that's the business model.
00:54:53.000 It is now.
00:54:54.000 And it's also piss them off and scare the shit out of them, but ignore certain things that your sponsors wouldn't like you to talk about.
00:55:01.000 Oh, yeah. 0.95
00:55:02.000 This is why, you know, Tulsi Gabbard and her final act as Director of National Intelligence as she's leaving, she had that, she gave that press conference about Fauci.
00:55:14.000 And she talked about how he lied in front of Congress and that he absolutely used American tax funds to fund gain of function research through EcoHealth Alliance and through the Wuhan Lab and Wuhan, China.
00:55:27.000 And You know, no one's covering it.
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00:56:24.000 And by the way, didn't we all know that already?
00:56:24.000 No.
00:56:28.000 Well, we knew it.
00:56:30.000 But my parents didn't.
00:56:32.000 People that just like just read the newspapers and watch TV, they don't know.
00:56:38.000 I've never seen anything as flagrantly obvious as COVID coming from the Wuhan lab studying COVID.
00:56:48.000 Right.
00:56:48.000 Right.
00:56:48.000 I've never, and you've got fucking news anchors keeping a straight face saying it came from the wet market.
00:56:56.000 Do you ever see Jon Stewart's bid on it that he did on the Colbert show? 0.98
00:56:59.000 No.
00:56:59.000 You never saw it?
00:57:00.000 Oh, we need to play it.
00:57:00.000 No.
00:57:01.000 Let's play it because it's so funny.
00:57:03.000 Because Colbert tries to like stop him from doing it and push back.
00:57:06.000 And John, he's a great comic, he just gets up from his chair and gets louder and just plows through it.
00:57:13.000 Really?
00:57:13.000 Over Colbert's like trying to cock block his bit.
00:57:16.000 He's like, it's like it's a funny bit.
00:57:18.000 And he's getting in the way.
00:57:19.000 I'd like to see if you have information on that, I'd like to see it.
00:57:22.000 And he just keeps going, he keeps plowing away.
00:57:24.000 It's very funny.
00:57:26.000 And it's in the middle of it, right?
00:57:28.000 This was a courageous step because he was doing this when calling it out.
00:57:32.000 And saying that it came from a lab in Wuhan, China was somehow or another conflated with racism.
00:57:39.000 Remember that?
00:57:40.000 Yeah. 0.97
00:57:40.000 If you said it came from Wuhan, China, from a lab, you're racist. 0.97
00:57:44.000 Yeah.
00:57:44.000 Like, how did you pull that off?
00:57:47.000 Like, how did it?
00:57:48.000 It's like, no one's saying anything.
00:57:49.000 It's racist. 0.99
00:57:51.000 It's from fucking China, and it seems like EcoHealth Alliance funded it, and it seems like we funded EcoHealth Alliance. 1.00
00:57:56.000 Yes. 0.99
00:57:57.000 There's a lot of fucking paperwork. 0.99
00:57:59.000 And by the way, there are studies on the fucking disease that they've been doing that are posted on the CDC website. 1.00
00:58:06.000 They're posted on the fucking. 0.99
00:58:07.000 My favorite was when you catch all this shit about ivermectin. 1.00
00:58:10.000 Yeah. 0.98
00:58:11.000 And literally, when that happened, I went, I don't want to fucking look that up.
00:58:14.000 Look up ivermectin and studies with ivermectin. 0.99
00:58:18.000 And a study pops up on the CDC website while people are telling us to not take that shit. 0.77
00:58:24.000 And it talks about the efficacy of ivermectin and antiviral properties, specifically COVID 19. 0.99
00:58:32.000 So it's on the government website that the fucking drug works. 0.99
00:58:32.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:58:38.000 While they're telling everyone to not take it.
00:58:40.000 And they're mocking me for taking a horse dewormer.
00:58:42.000 Watch this.
00:58:43.000 This is great.
00:58:44.000 This is great.
00:58:46.000 No, you stop because he still wants to put out that establishment position.
00:58:51.000 I'd like to see any evidence.
00:58:53.000 If you've got any evidence, yeah.
00:58:59.000 Well, wild times in the news because I think from then on that sort of sent a shockwave through the majority of the population where just whatever trust they had in the news just got severely eroded.
00:59:12.000 And if we don't have good news, if we don't have trust in the news, then we're kind of adrift. 0.64
00:59:17.000 And then you get locked into fucking conspiracy theories and eco chambers online, and you can get trapped in them too. 0.95
00:59:23.000 And that's not good either. 0.97
00:59:25.000 Yeah, then there's nowhere to go get information.
00:59:28.000 Has anybody in NBC, CBS, CNN, have any of those people picked up on that Tulsi Gabbard speech about Fauci and had any sort of a reaction to it?
00:59:42.000 I'd like to know that.
00:59:44.000 Because from what I was reading online, none of them had.
00:59:47.000 But this was as of yesterday.
00:59:49.000 I don't know whether or not that's changed.
00:59:51.000 I don't know if they were preparing an article and they wanted to make sure that they got all their ducks in a row.
00:59:57.000 I would think pretty much any time the head of an institute is begging for a pardon when he hasn't been charged with any crime, it's a pretty good indicator you might want to look and see if there's been a crime committed.
01:00:13.000 Was he begging for a pardon?
01:00:15.000 Yeah, Fauci.
01:00:15.000 I mean, he got.
01:00:16.000 Fauci was like, he had attorneys.
01:00:18.000 This is in part of that deal.
01:00:20.000 He had attorneys reaching out to Biden's camp the last day when he got the pardon.
01:00:26.000 The very last day.
01:00:26.000 Jeez.
01:00:29.000 It's just a preemptive pardon is nuts, especially when Rand Paul's questioning him and he's talking to him specifically about what defines gain of function research.
01:00:40.000 And by all accounts, by every definition, it's gain of function research.
01:00:45.000 And Fauci's still saying, You do not know what you are talking about, with all due respect.
01:00:52.000 Even though he's a doctor.
01:00:54.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:00:54.000 Rand Paul's a fucking doctor. 1.00
01:00:55.000 He's an actual doctor. 1.00
01:00:56.000 And then they say, Well, you're an eye doctor.
01:00:58.000 Well, that's my specialty. 0.99
01:00:59.000 But before I became an eye doctor, I became a general doctor, which means I studied all the same shit that Fauci studied.
01:01:05.000 You had to go through medical school before you go pick a specialty. 0.84
01:01:08.000 So, four years of studying the entire body before you specialize in whatever you're going to specialize in.
01:01:15.000 Well, it's also then if you read RFK Jr.'s book, The Real Anthony Fauci, you find out he ran this exact same playbook during the AIDS pandemic.
01:01:24.000 It was the exact same playbook.
01:01:26.000 That's what the Dallas Buyers Club is about.
01:01:28.000 The Dallas Buyers Club, that McConaughey movie about AIDS. 1.00
01:01:32.000 The fucking villain is Anthony Fauci. 0.99
01:01:34.000 He's the guy that's stopping them from getting alternative medications. 1.00
01:01:38.000 That's the guy that wanted everybody to take AZT.
01:01:41.000 Because AZT had already been approved.
01:01:41.000 You know why?
01:01:43.000 They had already used it as a cancer medication, it was a chemotherapy medication that they stopped using because it was too deadly.
01:01:50.000 It was killing people quicker than cancer was killing them.
01:01:52.000 So the first medication they gave people when they had an immune system that was compromised was a chemotherapy medication that was killing people.
01:02:00.000 And they were giving it to people that were asymptomatic, they were giving it to people that tested HIV positive.
01:02:05.000 And then you know about the PCR testing. 0.98
01:02:07.000 So the PTR says, Kerry Mullis, the guy who invented PCR testing, said publicly about Fauci, he does not know what the fuck he's talking about. 0.99
01:02:15.000 I don't think he said fuck, but he does not know what he's talking about. 0.99
01:02:18.000 And that it's not supposed to be used to detect a disease in a person's body. 0.98
01:02:22.000 And that if you ramp up the cycles long enough, just like they did with COVID, where we got, by some estimations, 80% false positives because of the PCR method, because they were ramping them up so high.
01:02:34.000 And so they cut it back quite significantly.
01:02:37.000 And that reduced the amount of false positives they had.
01:02:39.000 But there's a lot of people that got tested as HIV positive that probably weren't. 0.99
01:02:45.000 And they put those fucking people on AZT. 1.00
01:02:48.000 And AZT kills you. 1.00
01:02:51.000 Wow. 1.00
01:02:53.000 Yeah, nuts.
01:02:54.000 Most mainstream outlets are treating it as a serious but unproven political bombshell.
01:03:00.000 They're reporting that Gabbard alleges what Gabbard alleges, stressing the documents are disputed and under review and highlighting how polarized the reaction is.
01:03:11.000 Mainstream print, Jerusalem Post, Money Control Newsweek summarized her accusations, emphasized that COVID's origins remain unresolved, and note that the claims about Fauci sparking COVID. Or lying under oath are heavily contested, not yet legally validated.
01:03:28.000 Many stories frame this as reigniting a long running fight over lab leak versus natural origin.
01:03:34.000 Listen, that fight is over, kids.
01:03:36.000 That fight's over. 1.00
01:03:38.000 If you are in the news and you are saying that there's still a long running controversy as to whether it's a lab leak or natural origin, shut your fucking dirty whore mouth because it's not. 1.00
01:03:53.000 The fight's over. 1.00
01:03:54.000 It's a fucking lab leak. 0.99
01:03:56.000 They say the new documents will. 0.99
01:03:58.000 Need independent scrutiny from Congress, investigators, and scientists before any firm conclusions can be drawn.
01:04:05.000 Okay.
01:04:07.000 Right leaning media highlight her file dump as vindication for critics, focus on the cover up narrative, and give prominent space to Republicans like Rand Paul.
01:04:15.000 Why does it more centrist or mainstream outlets present it as a straighter news tone, often pairing Gabbert's and GOP's quotes with Fauci's past denials and nothing there is so far, no judicial finding of perjury or criminal conduct?
01:04:30.000 What I've never understood is how this became a left or right issue. 1.00
01:04:33.000 So stupid. 1.00
01:04:35.000 When Fauci, who's a career bureaucrat, through, I mean, when all this started, there was a Republican president. 1.00
01:04:44.000 Yep.
01:04:45.000 And then he served that Republican president.
01:04:45.000 Right.
01:04:48.000 He served the Democratic president before that and before that.
01:04:51.000 And then he served a Republican president. 0.98
01:04:53.000 I mean, he's been there for fucking 50 years. 0.98
01:04:55.000 It's been there for that. 0.99
01:04:55.000 Yeah. 0.99
01:04:57.000 It's not political.
01:04:59.000 It shouldn't be political.
01:05:00.000 There shouldn't be a right-left side to this.
01:05:01.000 It's, hey, a career bureaucrat. 1.00
01:05:04.000 Fucking lied to us. 0.99
01:05:05.000 He used the exact same language when he was talking about AZT as a medication for HIV that he used for the COVID vaccine. 0.99
01:05:13.000 The reason why it's the only medication is because it is both safe and effective. 0.98
01:05:19.000 The guy's a monster. 0.97
01:05:22.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:05:23.000 So, like, he's one of those guys, like, throughout history, where you're going to look back over time and you go, holy shit, this one guy's lies, this one guy's aspirations, this one guy's career fucked so many people over. 0.99
01:05:37.000 Yeah. 0.99
01:05:38.000 And I don't understand why Democrats would want to fall on that sword.
01:05:43.000 There's no reason to align. 1.00
01:05:44.000 Because people are stupid and they just decide that because a Republican's a president and anything the Republicans are pushing has to be bad. 1.00
01:05:52.000 And that stupid fucking division, it's so silly. 1.00
01:05:57.000 It's so silly. 1.00
01:05:58.000 It really is. 0.93
01:05:59.000 Because the same people during Trump's presidency were openly saying, Are you going to trust a vaccine that's created under Trump?
01:06:07.000 They were all saying it.
01:06:08.000 Kamala Harris said it, a bunch of Joy Reid said it.
01:06:11.000 They all said it.
01:06:13.000 And then they bet their entire political livelihoods on it.
01:06:19.000 We deserve better.
01:06:21.000 We really do, or we don't. 0.99
01:06:23.000 We fucking think they're good. 0.98
01:06:23.000 Maybe we don't. 0.98
01:06:26.000 We're so silly. 1.00
01:06:27.000 Such a fucking silly group of human beings we are. 1.00
01:06:30.000 That's fucking wild, man. 1.00
01:06:31.000 Not all of us, though. 0.99
01:06:33.000 I think less of us now.
01:06:35.000 I think it's going to be way harder to divide people the way they divided everybody in 2020.
01:06:40.000 It'll be way harder now.
01:06:42.000 I think most people are just not buying it. 0.92
01:06:44.000 And as long as people wake up to this left versus right nonsense, it's really just a big fucking hustle to keep you fighting with each other. 0.96
01:06:52.000 Most of it. 0.97
01:06:52.000 Oh, for sure. 0.97
01:06:53.000 Oh, for sure.
01:06:54.000 Most of it.
01:06:55.000 Even the ice stuff that we were talking about. 0.97
01:06:57.000 Hey, folks, do you think it's a coincidence that the biggest fucking ice protests were all going on in the same place where they found all that fraud? 0.97
01:07:05.000 Did it occur to you? 0.97
01:07:07.000 Did it occur to you? 0.99
01:07:08.000 That these organized, massive protests were all occurring in the same place where that Nick Shirley cat found fucking billions of dollars in fraud? 0.98
01:07:18.000 Yeah. 0.98
01:07:19.000 Shocker.
01:07:20.000 Kind of crazy.
01:07:21.000 Didn't they pass, didn't California pass a law?
01:07:25.000 A Nick Shirley law. 0.98
01:07:26.000 To prevent that, specifically that guy from fucking poking around in California? 0.97
01:07:31.000 Yes, yes. 0.97
01:07:32.000 I mean, they've even referred to it as the Nick Shirley law.
01:07:35.000 The idea is to keep people from investigating fraud, which is outlandish.
01:07:41.000 That is outrageous.
01:07:42.000 That is a crazy thing to emphasize.
01:07:45.000 And the thing is, well, these people are showing up at daycares and looking in.
01:07:49.000 Right.
01:07:49.000 They shouldn't.
01:07:50.000 You're right.
01:07:50.000 100%.
01:07:51.000 And people, random people from the internet should not be showing up at daycares with cameras.
01:07:57.000 I agree.
01:07:57.000 However, when there's no one in that daycare for years and years and years, and they can prove that fucking millions of dollars are being earned by that daycare and there's no one in there, it gets a little weird.
01:08:10.000 Isn't there a.
01:08:11.000 It's not fully passed into law.
01:08:13.000 Not yet. 0.99
01:08:15.000 Isn't there a video of that kid, like, walking up to one of these and these dudes get out and, like, drive off in their fucking Bentleys? 0.98
01:08:22.000 I don't know if those are real. 0.74
01:08:24.000 There's a bunch of fake videos that were made by people afterwards that were just capitalizing on people wanting to click on something like that.
01:08:31.000 And so they were just engagement farming by pretending.
01:08:34.000 Like the guy would show up and they'd go, What are you talking about?
01:08:37.000 I have no idea what he does.
01:08:38.000 It's bad acting.
01:08:39.000 And they get in a Rolls Royce. 1.00
01:08:42.000 It's just bullshit. 1.00
01:08:42.000 It seemed like bullshit to me. 1.00
01:08:44.000 I mean, I'm sure a bunch of those guys made a bunch of money. 0.99
01:08:47.000 And I'm sure there is a lot of fraud.
01:08:50.000 It's just like they're admitting it.
01:08:52.000 Minnesota's admitting it.
01:08:54.000 They knew it was going on forever.
01:08:56.000 You know, and then how about the fact that there's certain politicians that voted against this idea?
01:09:03.000 So, one of those ladies that was killed, like there was a lady and her husband that were murdered in Minnesota, and she was one of the few people that voted against providing Medicare for illegals.
01:09:19.000 They were trying to pass some bill involving Medicare and illegals, and she was one of the ones that voted against it.
01:09:25.000 And she was killed.
01:09:27.000 The guy who killed her. 0.98
01:09:29.000 Said that Tim Waltz sent him to kill them. 1.00
01:09:33.000 Now, I don't know if he's full of shit. 1.00
01:09:36.000 He easily could be. 1.00
01:09:37.000 He's a fucking crazy person. 1.00
01:09:38.000 He's a murderer. 1.00
01:09:39.000 He showed up at their house with a mask on and fucking shot them dead and shot a couple other people too. 1.00
01:09:43.000 It's like he's, you know, obviously he's fucking cracked out, but kind of weird. 0.98
01:09:50.000 Kind of weird that the lady who wants to vote against this obvious fraud, this money that's being somehow or another funneled around through Medicare, like one of the things that Elon said when he was on the podcast is that. 0.99
01:10:02.000 Medicaid and Medicare fraud is one of the biggest fucking problems. 0.91
01:10:07.000 And he was looking into it with Doge. 0.99
01:10:08.000 He goes, I almost don't want to talk about it because I don't want to get killed.
01:10:11.000 He goes, It's that bad. 0.99
01:10:14.000 And this was before all this Nick Shirley shit. 0.99
01:10:16.000 And now you're seeing it and you're like, Oh, now I get it. 0.99
01:10:19.000 These hospices that they have, these fake hospices in California, and then all the Somali daycare centers and all the different things.
01:10:27.000 They're like, These people are just autism. 0.99
01:10:29.000 The autism diagnoses went through the fucking roof. 0.99
01:10:32.000 Because now they can have these autism centers, so they just diagnose their kids as autistic and then they're raking in all this money for treatment. 0.99
01:10:40.000 It's crazy how much fraud there is.
01:10:43.000 Hundreds of billions.
01:10:44.000 Hundreds of billions of dollars.
01:10:45.000 And just what a shocker that that's the place where the big ICE protest broke out.
01:10:50.000 People forget that when Obama was president, he made a big public statement about going after government fraud.
01:10:58.000 They were aware of it then.
01:10:59.000 I mean, they've been aware of it for it's always taken place.
01:11:02.000 But on the scale, and he tried, and he caught resistance to the point that he wasn't able to do his version of a doge.
01:11:11.000 Right.
01:11:12.000 Which was his intention.
01:11:13.000 He gave a big public speech about it and tried to look into it.
01:11:17.000 And if you're stealing hundreds of billions of dollars, hundreds of billions of dollars, what wouldn't you do to protect that?
01:11:27.000 Exactly.
01:11:28.000 And that was Elon's point.
01:11:29.000 Yeah.
01:11:30.000 And also, that money for sure makes its way into Democratic coffers and probably Republican too. 0.99
01:11:36.000 And whoever the fuck is going to be. 0.99
01:11:38.000 Whoever's enabling the fraud. 0.99
01:11:40.000 Who's ever going to help out?
01:11:41.000 Whoever wants a piece of this pie? 1.00
01:11:43.000 Is a juicy ass pie. 0.98
01:11:44.000 It's a hundred billion dollar pie. 0.99
01:11:45.000 Come get something.
01:11:47.000 That'll almost bill you a rail system in California.
01:11:49.000 You can get a mile of track or a second Cougar Bridge.
01:11:54.000 But have you had that guy on? 1.00
01:11:54.000 Fucking car sales. 1.00
01:11:55.000 No. 1.00
01:11:56.000 No.
01:11:57.000 He wants to be on. 1.00
01:11:58.000 He talks a lot of shit about me. 1.00
01:11:58.000 I'm sure. 1.00
01:11:59.000 At first, he was saying, Joe Rogan's not a fan of me, but I'm a big fan of him.
01:12:03.000 He was like saying all this.
01:12:04.000 Doesn't he have his own podcast?
01:12:05.000 Yeah.
01:12:06.000 Because that state is running so well. 0.96
01:12:08.000 The governor doesn't need to govern.
01:12:11.000 It's so smooth.
01:12:12.000 If you ask him, he'll tell you.
01:12:13.000 He'll tell you how awesome this is.
01:12:14.000 No, he'll give you stats.
01:12:15.000 The stats are awesome.
01:12:16.000 Statistically, people are moving there in record numbers.
01:12:19.000 Yeah.
01:12:19.000 That's not true.
01:12:20.000 It's not true.
01:12:22.000 It's all the stats, the positive stats, they were already going on before he was the governor.
01:12:27.000 California is an awesome place. 0.98
01:12:28.000 The fucking weather's perfect. 0.99
01:12:30.000 San Francisco has always been an incredible tech hub of geniuses. 0.99
01:12:34.000 There's always been a bunch of super wizards up there that are creating some of the best technology in the world.
01:12:40.000 And that has nothing to do with him, it has zero to do with him and all these problems that their inept government has caused.
01:12:47.000 Because that's the real problem with him as a governor.
01:12:51.000 It's a real problem with Karen Bass as a mayor. 0.99
01:12:53.000 It's a real problem with whatever the fuck happened to San Francisco. 1.00
01:12:56.000 It's bad government. 0.99
01:12:58.000 It's not upholding the rule of the law, not keeping people safe, being empathetic to people that are shooting up on the street over people that are trying to walk their fucking kids to school. 0.99
01:13:08.000 Yeah. 0.96
01:13:09.000 Like what you're doing is bad for society.
01:13:12.000 It's bad.
01:13:13.000 And it seems to me that.
01:13:18.000 For the most part, for the most part, if you are the mayor of a city, and when I was writing Yellowstone, the governor of Montana at the time, who was a Democrat, I called him and asked him, I said, hey, can I just talk to you about what it's like to be a governor?
01:13:34.000 What did you think it would be and what did it turn out to be?
01:13:37.000 And what he said was, Steve Bullock is his name.
01:13:42.000 He said, well, I thought I was going to make all these changes and do this and shepherd this, and I learned that I am the CEO of a state.
01:13:52.000 And that my job as the CEO of the state is take care of the people who live in the state, the employees of the state, attract business here, attract tourism here, and try to make the state make more money and make lives better.
01:14:08.000 That's my job.
01:14:08.000 Infrastructure and city management and people management and tourism.
01:14:14.000 That's my job.
01:14:15.000 And to a even more acutely to a mayor, you're really the president of a city.
01:14:21.000 You're the CEO of the city.
01:14:22.000 And your job is keep the lights on, pick up the trash.
01:14:26.000 Put out the fires, deal with the sewage, keep it safe.
01:14:30.000 Like, that's it.
01:14:31.000 There's no social anything.
01:14:34.000 Secondarily, possibly.
01:14:35.000 But run the schools, like, run the city.
01:14:39.000 And you have in a lot of these big urban areas where they're so agenda driven and they're pushing a social agenda and they're not running the cities.
01:14:48.000 They're not running them at all.
01:14:50.000 And so they're running into the ground.
01:14:53.000 And it's tragic to see because San Francisco, like you said, it's a beautiful city.
01:14:57.000 L.A. used to be a place where you could go and make your dreams come true.
01:15:02.000 San Francisco was awesome 10 years ago, just 10 years ago.
01:15:06.000 I filmed my special Triggered in the Fillmore in San Francisco in 2016.
01:15:13.000 It was great.
01:15:14.000 No problems.
01:15:16.000 It wasn't homeless people everywhere.
01:15:17.000 It was normal.
01:15:18.000 It was normal San Francisco.
01:15:19.000 Go to a cool restaurant.
01:15:21.000 People are cool.
01:15:22.000 Always been like a smart city.
01:15:23.000 Interesting architecture.
01:15:25.000 Always been a great city.
01:15:26.000 I lived there from the time I was seven to 11.
01:15:29.000 Yeah, I loved San Francisco.
01:15:31.000 It's unrecognizable now.
01:15:33.000 Ten years.
01:15:34.000 That's it. 1.00
01:15:34.000 Ten years of fucking asinine government. 1.00
01:15:38.000 And also, this homeless thing, when you realize that it's an industry, When the homelessness is valuable, having homeless people on the streets is valuable because you can get more money to deal with this obvious homeless problem. 1.00
01:15:53.000 The more obvious the problem is, the more money they're going to throw on it.
01:15:56.000 They don't have to fix it.
01:15:58.000 Well, there's no intention to fix it, right?
01:16:01.000 They're giving out free needles here, yeah, get high here.
01:16:06.000 It's and I was just somewhere where my first experience seeing the homeless in this magnitude and.
01:16:16.000 The one thing that's evident instantly is they're all so completely strung out on drugs. 0.97
01:16:23.000 Like, this fentanyl thing is no fucking joke. 0.98
01:16:25.000 Like, the zombies leaning against every corner. 0.99
01:16:30.000 And to me, it's cruel.
01:16:32.000 Right?
01:16:33.000 Yeah. 0.99
01:16:33.000 Like, if someone's to that point and you want to help them, don't give them a fucking iPhone and some more needles. 0.99
01:16:40.000 How about you pick them up off the street and you take them somewhere and go, look, there's a curfew here and you ain't doing no drugs. 0.98
01:16:46.000 We're going to clean you out.
01:16:48.000 And some aren't going to want that. 1.00
01:16:50.000 They're going to want to go back on the street and do drugs.
01:16:54.000 And the addiction and the consequences of drugs that are that.
01:16:57.000 I had surgery, they put me on fentanyl.
01:17:00.000 I had neck surgery, and they put me on fentanyl. 1.00
01:17:02.000 There's high, then there's that shit. 0.99
01:17:05.000 And that was done by an anesthesiologist. 1.00
01:17:07.000 I wasn't self medicating in a fucking parking lot, right? 0.99
01:17:10.000 What'd you get done in your neck? 1.00
01:17:12.000 C67. 1.00
01:17:13.000 Fusion? 1.00
01:17:14.000 No, I had the.
01:17:15.000 Dysectomy?
01:17:16.000 Disc, yeah.
01:17:17.000 Just cut some of it down?
01:17:18.000 Yeah.
01:17:18.000 It's okay now?
01:17:19.000 Yeah.
01:17:20.000 How long ago did you get that done?
01:17:23.000 Was that maybe three years ago?
01:17:25.000 Two years.
01:17:25.000 I wish I told you.
01:17:25.000 Yeah, three years ago.
01:17:26.000 If that ever happens again, don't do that.
01:17:28.000 Don't?
01:17:29.000 Well, it'll happen again.
01:17:29.000 No.
01:17:30.000 Yeah, I'm sure it will.
01:17:32.000 There's other ways.
01:17:34.000 There's PRP can help it.
01:17:36.000 Regenikine helped mine.
01:17:37.000 I had a pretty bad bulging disc in my neck.
01:17:40.000 What's Regenikine?
01:17:41.000 Regenikine is, they used to have to go to Germany to do it.
01:17:44.000 I know Peyton Manning went there, Kobe Bryant went there, and Dana White actually flew to Germany to get it done.
01:17:52.000 It's like an advanced form of platelet rich plasma where they take your blood.
01:17:57.000 There's a process to it.
01:17:59.000 Pull it up, Jamie, because I can't remember what the process is.
01:18:02.000 But they spin it in a centrifuge for like 10 hours, and then you come back the next day and they inject it, and it makes this very potent anti inflammatory.
01:18:10.000 And they inject it around wherever the injury is to the disc.
01:18:14.000 And it provides, like, within weeks, amazing relief.
01:18:18.000 And for me, it completely cured it.
01:18:20.000 I had a point where my fingers were going numb.
01:18:22.000 Yeah, that's what. 1.00
01:18:24.000 German.
01:18:25.000 Go back up. 0.98
01:18:27.000 Yeah.
01:18:27.000 Back to where?
01:18:28.000 So, German physician Dr. Peter Welling, the treatment focused on blocking a specific inflammatory protein, interleukin 1.
01:18:36.000 So, they take the blood out, they draw your blood, and then the blood is heated to body temperature to trigger the production of a natural anti inflammatory protein called IL 1RA.
01:18:47.000 And then they spin it in a centrifuge, separating out the protein rich serum.
01:18:52.000 The serum is then injected directly into the painful joint or tissue.
01:18:56.000 Dude, it was remarkable for me for knee injuries.
01:19:01.000 I did it a bunch of times.
01:19:02.000 I used to do it at, they moved it, you used to have to go to Germany and then Santa Monica, they opened up an office.
01:19:08.000 It's lifestyle medicine.
01:19:09.000 That's what it's called, right?
01:19:12.000 And then that's where I had it done.
01:19:15.000 And it's incredible.
01:19:17.000 I had it done my entire back. 0.99
01:19:19.000 There's a picture of me on Instagram with a bunch of these fucking tubes. 0.99
01:19:23.000 That's me right there. 1.00
01:19:24.000 A bunch of those tubes in my hairy ass back. 1.00
01:19:27.000 And it was incredible. 0.99
01:19:29.000 I mean, it really fixed so many problems that I had.
01:19:34.000 It's really great for specifically for back injuries, knee injuries, stuff like that.
01:19:40.000 There's a lot of good biological options.
01:19:42.000 There's also.
01:19:43.000 Decompression is very important.
01:19:46.000 I have a harness that I attach to a pull up bar and it straps under my chin, and I just like let my weight drop down and decompress my weight on my neck.
01:19:54.000 I do that every day.
01:19:55.000 And then I also have this thing called a Dex 3.
01:19:58.000 Is it Dex 2 or Dex 3?
01:20:01.000 You hang forward.
01:20:02.000 It's like Teeter makes it.
01:20:04.000 You know, that company that makes those decompression tables.
01:20:06.000 But this one's even better because you just hinge from the hip.
01:20:09.000 So you're not supporting it at all with your legs, and it's just your back.
01:20:13.000 It just goes like pop.
01:20:14.000 Pop, pop, like you could feel it.
01:20:16.000 We have one out here.
01:20:16.000 I'll show it to you.
01:20:17.000 We have two of them out here, actually.
01:20:19.000 Right out, yeah, in the gym.
01:20:21.000 I have one at home. 1.00
01:20:21.000 They're the shit. 1.00
01:20:23.000 I will not have one. 1.00
01:20:25.000 I have to have one.
01:20:26.000 It's so good for just decompressing your back.
01:20:29.000 But you need to decompress the neck, too.
01:20:31.000 Anytime you're doing anything, if you're deadlifting or squat, obviously you're lifting a lot of heavyweights.
01:20:35.000 Anytime you're lifting weight, you've got to think of all that pressure on your back, all that squashing down, and you've got to do something to stretch it out.
01:20:44.000 Stretch it back out.
01:20:45.000 But there's ways to heal it now without taking away the disc.
01:20:48.000 So the problem is, every time they cut away a piece of your disc, you got less disc.
01:20:52.000 You got less disc, yeah.
01:20:53.000 So the good news is there's some treatments that they're doing now where they're actually injecting some sort of a hydro gel into the disc itself.
01:21:03.000 So I asked Brigham from Ways to Well about that, and they're looking into it.
01:21:07.000 And they're trying to, apparently, this is not being done widely yet.
01:21:12.000 This is like, there's just experimental.
01:21:14.000 But they think they're going to be able to do that.
01:21:17.000 There's also some places like CPI, Cellular Performance Institute down in Tijuana.
01:21:22.000 They've successfully been injecting stem cells into people's discs.
01:21:27.000 And it causes a disc to regenerate tissue and get thicker and healthier.
01:21:32.000 Really?
01:21:32.000 Yeah.
01:21:33.000 Shane Dorian, my friend, he's a pro surfer and big wave surfer and bow hunter.
01:21:39.000 He went down there and he said it was remarkable.
01:21:41.000 He said within a couple of months, like a 30 to 40% increase in range of motion, decrease in pain.
01:21:46.000 Yeah, you could feel it. 0.96
01:21:47.000 It's kind of an annoying process because once you do it, you can't really do shit for like six weeks. 0.64
01:21:53.000 Like, once you, I think it's six weeks. 0.93
01:21:54.000 Well, that's the same with the surgery. 0.96
01:21:56.000 You're not doing shit for six weeks after that. 0.96
01:21:57.000 But you can't lift weights. 0.98
01:21:58.000 You could walk.
01:21:59.000 You could walk.
01:22:00.000 You know, it's all, it's the whole thing is like, let everything take.
01:22:03.000 Like, let it take.
01:22:04.000 Let it heal up. 1.00
01:22:06.000 Don't do anything stupid. 0.99
01:22:07.000 Don't re injure it. 1.00
01:22:08.000 Don't aggravate it.
01:22:09.000 Like, give it a chance to actually do its magic.
01:22:12.000 Yeah, I'll look into that for sure. 1.00
01:22:15.000 But any neck injury or back injury, they're such a motherfucker. 0.99
01:22:19.000 Anytime your back goes out, you're like, everything you do is like, ah. 0.99
01:22:23.000 It's so hard to do anything.
01:22:25.000 It's like you realize how nice it is to be healthy whenever you get hurt.
01:22:30.000 Yeah.
01:22:31.000 No back pain.
01:22:32.000 That's what killed my stepfather.
01:22:33.000 Back pain?
01:22:34.000 Yeah.
01:22:34.000 Did he just get on pills?
01:22:35.000 Yeah.
01:22:36.000 Yeah.
01:22:37.000 I have a friend in the family that did that.
01:22:39.000 Yeah, he was in.
01:22:40.000 I remember one time we were fishing up in Wyoming, and he just was like, I can't do it.
01:22:46.000 Back hurts too bad.
01:22:48.000 And he went in and had a surgery that made it worse, which is a real, real risk when you start messing around with the spine, right?
01:22:59.000 And so, yeah.
01:23:00.000 And then it was, you know, those are serious pain.
01:23:04.000 Now we're talking Oxy.
01:23:05.000 Yeah, now you're in just agony.
01:23:07.000 Now you're on a clock. 1.00
01:23:09.000 Yeah, and you can only do that shit for so long. 1.00
01:23:11.000 Yeah, now you're on a clock. 1.00
01:23:12.000 Oxies are fucking terrifying. 1.00
01:23:15.000 They're so terrifying. 1.00
01:23:16.000 Yeah.
01:23:16.000 So terrifying how readily they were handing them out, too, forever.
01:23:20.000 Yeah.
01:23:21.000 Did you ever see Painkiller, the Peter Berg thing that he did for Netflix?
01:23:25.000 No, I didn't. 0.98
01:23:26.000 Fucking great, man. 0.99
01:23:28.000 Matthew Broderick plays such a great creep. 0.99
01:23:31.000 Oh, he played the Sackler brother, the Sackler. 1.00
01:23:34.000 Yeah, the head of the family that started this whole opiate problem that we have in this country. 1.00
01:23:34.000 Oh, really? 1.00
01:23:39.000 It's fucking terrifying. 0.98
01:23:40.000 Because it's all real. 1.00
01:23:41.000 And those fucking people never even went to jail. 1.00
01:23:44.000 Who knows how many people are dead because of them? 1.00
01:23:46.000 Yeah.
01:23:47.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:23:48.000 They generated fucking billions and billions of dollars, killed a bunch of people, ruined countless lives. 0.99
01:23:55.000 How many lives people that were connected? 1.00
01:23:56.000 Your dad gets hooked on that shit. 1.00
01:23:58.000 It ruins your relationship with your family. 1.00
01:24:01.000 You wind up being all fucked up because you grew up with a dad who was strung out on pills. 0.99
01:24:05.000 No. 1.00
01:24:06.000 Generation. 0.99
01:24:07.000 Yeah.
01:24:07.000 Generational damage.
01:24:08.000 Oh, God.
01:24:09.000 And these guys put their feet up.
01:24:09.000 Yeah.
01:24:11.000 Yeah. 0.98
01:24:12.000 They go to a fucking nice country club and have the lobster. 0.98
01:24:15.000 Yeah. 0.99
01:24:16.000 There's so many of them in this world. 1.00
01:24:16.000 Cocksuckers. 1.00
01:24:18.000 There's like, that's genuinely evil. 1.00
01:24:21.000 Yes.
01:24:21.000 There's real demons.
01:24:23.000 That's a real demon.
01:24:24.000 Like, people want to think demons live in hell and, you know, that's kind of, may or may not be real.
01:24:29.000 Well, no, they're on earth.
01:24:31.000 Yeah.
01:24:31.000 There's demons.
01:24:32.000 Yeah.
01:24:32.000 They're right here.
01:24:33.000 And they justify it.
01:24:34.000 They figure out a way to justify it.
01:24:36.000 And they're around a bunch of other people who justify it too.
01:24:38.000 And they can just immediately dismiss any pain or suffering because they got a huge amount of.
01:24:45.000 Profit from it.
01:24:47.000 Yeah.
01:24:49.000 Yep. 1.00
01:24:50.000 Those are the fuckers. 1.00
01:24:51.000 Those are the fuckers. 1.00
01:24:52.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:24:52.000 They're out there. 1.00
01:24:53.000 And it doesn't take many of them to create like real carnage.
01:24:57.000 I mean, think about that.
01:24:58.000 Think about the opiate issue in this.
01:25:01.000 It's still going.
01:25:02.000 It was the gateway to fentanyl, right?
01:25:04.000 Mm hmm.
01:25:05.000 If you think about it.
01:25:06.000 Yeah.
01:25:07.000 It was the gateway to fentanyl.
01:25:08.000 And it was also, it's like they were doing those pain management centers down in Florida where they just, All they prescribed was pills.
01:25:17.000 So you would go and, like, I'm in pain.
01:25:18.000 They're like, oh, Taylor, we've got the solution.
01:25:22.000 It's right next door. 0.98
01:25:23.000 And you go right next door to their pharmacy, and all their pharmacy has, like, they don't have Bengay over there. 0.78
01:25:28.000 They don't have toothbrushes.
01:25:29.000 Yeah, we got Oxy.
01:25:29.000 Oxy.
01:25:30.000 Here you go, buddy. 0.54
01:25:31.000 This is the solution.
01:25:32.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:25:33.000 Fucked. 1.00
01:25:34.000 Yep. 1.00
01:25:36.000 Yep. 1.00
01:25:37.000 That's the real drug trade.
01:25:39.000 Yeah, right?
01:25:40.000 Yeah.
01:25:41.000 I mean, the cartel is basically getting the scraps.
01:25:44.000 They're making trillions of dollars off scraps.
01:25:46.000 Well, think about this.
01:25:47.000 Did you even know what fentanyl was 15 years ago?
01:25:50.000 I never heard of it.
01:25:51.000 No.
01:25:52.000 I don't even remember when we first heard about it, but when we first heard about it on a podcast, we were talking about it and we found the amount that's lethal and they showed it next to a penny.
01:26:01.000 And you're like, what?
01:26:02.000 Yeah.
01:26:02.000 That can kill you?
01:26:04.000 And people are taking that and they're mixing that in cocaine? 1.00
01:26:08.000 Holy fuck. 1.00
01:26:09.000 And they've been over zombies on the side of the road. 1.00
01:26:12.000 Yeah.
01:26:13.000 Philadelphia's bad too.
01:26:15.000 There's a bunch of cities that are just real bad with it.
01:26:18.000 And it doesn't have to be that way.
01:26:21.000 And what's interesting is this Ibogaine initiative that Rick Perry and Brian Hubbard are pushing in Texas, and that I went to the White House to get Trump to be involved in.
01:26:31.000 They're trying to make this so that it's you have a right to use or right I think they call it right to use or right to try for people that are addicted, and they're trying to make it more readily available and accessible to veterans.
01:26:44.000 That's the thing that could help all these people.
01:26:45.000 What is it now?
01:26:46.000 Ibogaine.
01:26:47.000 Do you not know what that is?
01:26:48.000 No.
01:26:48.000 Ibogaine is a it comes from the Aboga tree in Africa.
01:26:54.000 And it is this very potent psychedelic that has no recreational use at all.
01:27:00.000 It's not fun.
01:27:00.000 Nobody likes it.
01:27:01.000 It's not like you trip, you see zombies, and fucking hang out with aliens. 0.99
01:27:05.000 Uh uh. 0.97
01:27:06.000 You go into this very dark experience for like 24 hours where it replays your life to you in a very uncomfortable way and also somehow or another rewires addiction in your brain.
01:27:19.000 And for a large percentage of people, just one dose is good enough to get them off of everything. 0.98
01:27:24.000 Whatever they're on, whether it's alcohol, gambling, coke, whatever the fuck it is.
01:27:29.000 But for two doses, when they do it twice, it's significantly better. 0.93
01:27:33.000 And it doesn't just do that.
01:27:36.000 Rick Perry, who was the Republican former governor of Texas, was staunchly anti drugs.
01:27:41.000 He's said this is his main focus in life now to promote this.
01:27:45.000 This is his goal in life because he did it and he had an incredible reaction to it.
01:27:51.000 And he knows so many veterans who have done it.
01:27:53.000 It's incredible for PTSD.
01:27:55.000 Somehow or another, it has neuroregenerative properties where.
01:27:59.000 He went there and he said, he went to his doctor before, and the doctor did a whole scan of his body.
01:28:04.000 He said, Look, you've got a certain amount of age related brain atrophy.
01:28:07.000 It's like, it's fine, but it's normal that you're 73 years old or 74 years old.
01:28:12.000 So he goes and does the Ibogaine, sees his doctor a short time afterwards, and the doctor says, It's 25% less atrophy than when you got the last scan.
01:28:24.000 And he explains to him the whole Ibogaine thing.
01:28:27.000 He goes back six months later, it's all gone.
01:28:30.000 He has no brain atrophy anymore, which is bananas.
01:28:36.000 So it's regenerating brain tissue.
01:28:39.000 It's making his brain work better.
01:28:43.000 And it's just. 1.00
01:28:44.000 Well, the pharmaceutical companies aren't going to let that shit out. 1.00
01:28:47.000 Well, they didn't like it. 1.00
01:28:49.000 They didn't like that I bypassed them and went straight to Trump and told them about that.
01:28:52.000 But Trump was very open to it.
01:28:54.000 You looking for FDA approval?
01:28:54.000 He said, What are you looking for?
01:28:56.000 Like, that's literally what he said.
01:28:56.000 Like, let's do it.
01:28:58.000 And then a week later, we were at the White House and he was signing it.
01:29:02.000 So it's incredible.
01:29:03.000 But if so many veterans have had to go over to mostly Mexico, but Costa Rica, there's a bunch of different places that they go where they can have these Ibogaine retreats.
01:29:14.000 And these guys have had incredible results.
01:29:18.000 Marcus Luttrell, he had an incredible result from it.
01:29:20.000 He had a real problem drinking.
01:29:22.000 Obviously, he's the guy, the lone survivor, the movies based on his experiences over in Afghanistan.
01:29:29.000 So this guy, he's done it, he's gotten over it because of that.
01:29:36.000 Sean Ryan, long list of guys who have had this experience and it completely changed them.
01:29:41.000 Wow.
01:29:42.000 Dakota Meyer did it.
01:29:43.000 So many of these guys did it.
01:29:45.000 And because of their stories, because all these veterans, then it kind of opened up the idea to a lot more right wing people that would maybe be more hesitant to accept something like this.
01:29:56.000 Then on top of it, no recreational use.
01:29:59.000 No one's like, boy, I can't wait to do that again. 1.00
01:30:01.000 Everybody's like, holy shit, this sucked. 0.99
01:30:02.000 I had diarrhea. 1.00
01:30:03.000 I threw up. 0.99
01:30:05.000 I was horrified for fucking 12 hours. 0.99
01:30:08.000 It apparently just takes you through every aspect of your life, like review, like a movie. 0.99
01:30:12.000 All the times you've ever hurt people, you see it from their perspective. 0.57
01:30:16.000 Yeah, it's a very dark experience for a lot of people, especially a lot of people that have fucked up a lot of their life. 0.95
01:30:24.000 Wow. 0.97
01:30:24.000 Yeah. 0.97
01:30:25.000 But if those people had access to Ibogaine, all these homeless people that you see strung out, if instead of just giving them needles and an iPhone and profiting off of it, if somehow or another these assholes can figure out a way to profit off of these centers where you could bring people in and give them Ibogaine retreats, maybe that would be a nice little fucking exit strategy. 0.93
01:30:47.000 For all these grifters that have been profiting off of the homeless industrial complex for so long. 0.96
01:30:51.000 Yeah.
01:30:52.000 You know, they're not trying to solve problems.
01:30:55.000 No, they're trying to make money.
01:30:55.000 No.
01:30:57.000 That's what I was saying earlier when we were talking about charities. 0.99
01:30:59.000 That's the saddest thing that I've come to the realization that most nonprofits are fucking scams. 0.99
01:31:06.000 Like most of them. 1.00
01:31:08.000 Most of them.
01:31:10.000 And this guy was like reading off the average amount that these people that are in charge of the homeless program in LA are making.
01:31:17.000 It's an extraordinary amount of money.
01:31:19.000 It's a great living.
01:31:20.000 They're not doing it because it's like some sort of a very charitable thing that they really want to save the world and help people.
01:31:27.000 No, they're making tons of money.
01:31:32.000 They're performative entrepreneurs, if you think about it. 0.99
01:31:36.000 Come up with a problem, then go pitch some version of Karen's solution to a government and take the fucking money and never solve the problem. 0.93
01:31:47.000 Because as soon as you solve the problem, and if you do somehow accidentally solve it, then go find another one. 0.97
01:31:52.000 Yeah.
01:31:53.000 And I think that's one of the reasons why shows like Yellowstone in particular that show people that are proud to work hard and really get deep satisfaction out of that life.
01:32:06.000 And there's something about that that really resonates with people. 0.91
01:32:12.000 Like, there's a better way than just bullshitting people, there's a better way than fraud and nonsense and all this political horseshit that's pumped down your throat every day. 1.00
01:32:22.000 No, how about a fucking. 1.00
01:32:24.000 Just a sleeping bag and the stars. 1.00
01:32:27.000 How about that?
01:32:27.000 Just lying there with your horse tied to a tree.
01:32:30.000 Isn't that really what everybody wants?
01:32:32.000 Doesn't really everyone want to cook their dinner over a fire and laugh with all their friends?
01:32:36.000 Because that's what they really want.
01:32:38.000 That's really something simple.
01:32:40.000 Something real. 0.98
01:32:42.000 Something that's like, it's not that simple because it's hard to do all that shit, but there's something about it that's pure. 0.98
01:32:50.000 It's pure. 0.97
01:32:50.000 There's no ifs, ands, or buts. 0.97
01:32:52.000 You spend a lot of time outside, right?
01:32:54.000 And, and, The entire thing's an endeavor, right?
01:32:58.000 If you go bow hunting, you're going to practice, prepare before you go. 0.88
01:33:03.000 Then you're going to hike your ass in somewhere.
01:33:06.000 You're going to have to set up a camp. 0.94
01:33:08.000 And all of these are tasks before you've even gone to do the thing you went there to do, which is going to be another task.
01:33:14.000 But the completion of them is the reward.
01:33:16.000 And the fact that you're doing it yourself.
01:33:18.000 Everything done yourself.
01:33:20.000 I think that's why people are so attracted to the life.
01:33:23.000 That's why I've got third generation cowboys that went and got a degree in ranch management to come back and make, you know, $3,000 a month and couldn't be happier.
01:33:34.000 It's wild, isn't it?
01:33:35.000 It's really wild when you think about it.
01:33:37.000 It's wild what people actually gravitate towards.
01:33:41.000 Because they say that Have you ever seen that Werner Herzog documentary, Happy People?
01:33:45.000 No.
01:33:46.000 It's called Happy People Life in the Taiga.
01:33:49.000 And it's all about these trappers that live on the Taiga River in Siberia.
01:33:54.000 And all these people do is trap and hunt and fish.
01:33:59.000 They don't have any other way to make a living. 0.92
01:34:01.000 That's all they do. 0.98
01:34:02.000 And they're so fucking happy. 0.98
01:34:04.000 And they're all laughing together and drinking together and hanging out with their dogs. 0.99
01:34:08.000 And their dogs are sled dogs.
01:34:09.000 And so they're on snowmobiles and the dogs are chasing behind them and the dogs hunt with them. 1.00
01:34:14.000 And these fucking people have like zero mental illness. 0.99
01:34:18.000 And when they're talking to them, they're talking in Russian, so it's all translated. 1.00
01:34:22.000 But what they're talking about, like the way they talk, it's like that this is how you're supposed to live.
01:34:27.000 This is real life.
01:34:29.000 And they're all happy.
01:34:31.000 There's a guy.
01:34:34.000 I'm going to get his name wrong.
01:34:35.000 It's like Primager, something like that.
01:34:39.000 And he, in the 60s Dick Premikin.
01:34:43.000 Premikin, that's it.
01:34:44.000 Yeah.
01:34:45.000 Yeah.
01:34:45.000 The guy lived in Alaska.
01:34:46.000 Just went up, said bucket.
01:34:46.000 Yeah.
01:34:49.000 Yeah.
01:34:50.000 Went up into the way into the wild and built by hand a cabin and lived there and documented it.
01:34:58.000 Brought a little Super 8 camera or whatever, filmed the whole thing.
01:35:00.000 Yeah.
01:35:01.000 And filmed himself.
01:35:03.000 I mean, he lived for 35 years.
01:35:05.000 He was 80 something years old when he finally was too old to get through another winter when he came down.
01:35:11.000 And he just built this cabin and just lived, hunted, fished, grew potatoes, had to build.
01:35:17.000 There he is.
01:35:18.000 Brennicky.
01:35:19.000 Prunicky.
01:35:20.000 That's how you say his name. 0.99
01:35:22.000 Uh, P R O E. If you haven't watched that documentary, it is fascinating.
01:35:27.000 It's amazing. 1.00
01:35:28.000 Yeah, look at the difference.
01:35:29.000 What is it?
01:35:30.000 Oh, they're just talking about it.
01:35:33.000 Oh, but why they show this 2023.
01:35:38.000 Um, this guy, when he documented all of it, you know, it's so attractive.
01:35:44.000 There's something about the way he's living, and he's by himself, which is also wild.
01:35:48.000 Like, how do you not get lonely?
01:35:50.000 No, there's that. 1.00
01:35:51.000 I mean, I'd lose my fucking marbles. 0.99
01:35:53.000 I need people. 0.99
01:35:54.000 Yeah, I need to talk to somebody.
01:35:55.000 I don't think I'd be like in.
01:35:57.000 That, but it's so attractive.
01:36:00.000 But the notion of that kind of self reliance.
01:36:01.000 Yeah, no, there's something about it that's like deeply ingrained in our DNA.
01:36:07.000 It's not just that, it's like a healthy interaction with the wild world.
01:36:16.000 There he is.
01:36:17.000 Look at that guy. 1.00
01:36:18.000 Made all that shit himself. 1.00
01:36:21.000 That's what's crazy. 1.00
01:36:22.000 Yeah.
01:36:22.000 The whole thing, I mean, he made his own tools.
01:36:25.000 He made it.
01:36:26.000 It's really wild.
01:36:27.000 I think he was a lumberman or something like that.
01:36:31.000 I can't remember if he was. 1.00
01:36:32.000 Look at fucking pretty that is. 1.00
01:36:34.000 My God. 0.99
01:36:35.000 This is right in front of his house.
01:36:37.000 He just built a house out there.
01:36:40.000 Alaska is amazing, man. 0.99
01:36:42.000 I mean, the winners can suck a dick, but just the actual being there in the place and the people are clearly like extraordinary people. 0.99
01:36:54.000 Like when you go, just even hanging out in a bar in Anchorage, like you guys are different. 0.99
01:36:58.000 They're like more reliable.
01:37:01.000 You know?
01:37:02.000 Sturdier people.
01:37:03.000 No matter where you live in Alaska, you're going to have to be tough.
01:37:06.000 Yeah.
01:37:07.000 You have to be.
01:37:08.000 And they were laughing about some guy who got stomped to death by a moose because he was throwing snowballs at it in town.
01:37:12.000 Like, okay.
01:37:14.000 That's something you guys have to think about. 0.96
01:37:16.000 You might get stomped to death in front of the ATM machine. 1.00
01:37:19.000 Or maybe don't throw a fucking snowball at a thousand pound animal. 1.00
01:37:23.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:37:24.000 Well, you can catch a cow with her calves and she'll stomp you no matter what.
01:37:29.000 So it's a book.
01:37:32.000 Prennicki says he turned his back on a tedious.
01:37:35.000 On tedious 50 hour work weeks and moved to Alaska to do a thing to completion.
01:37:40.000 He built the cabin when he was 51 and lived there for more than 30 years.
01:37:44.000 Wow.
01:37:46.000 Wow.
01:37:48.000 Where is that area, the Twin Lakes and Lake Clark National Park?
01:37:51.000 I don't know.
01:37:54.000 There's another guy that lives up there that lives near the Arctic Circle.
01:37:59.000 Vice Guide to Travel did a piece on him years ago.
01:38:03.000 It's the same kind of deal.
01:38:04.000 He lives in a cabin.
01:38:06.000 And he's been up in that cabin since the 1970s.
01:38:09.000 He never saw 9 11.
01:38:11.000 He saw a photograph of it years later.
01:38:13.000 He's just been up there in the woods.
01:38:15.000 All he does is he hunts caribou and he has them all like hanging up, like frozen because it's frozen outside.
01:38:22.000 Like that's his outside is his cooler.
01:38:25.000 And while they're there, a grizzly tries to steal his stash and he has to shoot the grizzly.
01:38:29.000 It's like it's crazy.
01:38:30.000 Really?
01:38:31.000 What's that called?
01:38:32.000 It's called Vice Guide to Travel and it's Hindmo's Arctic Adventure is the video series. 0.98
01:38:39.000 And what's interesting, this is like the early days of Vice when Vice was really cool and they get this fucking. 0.88
01:38:46.000 Nerd with glasses is probably from like Williamsburg who flies out to Alaska to hang out with this guy. 0.93
01:38:51.000 And the guy, they said like these journalists were like hardcore.
01:38:55.000 These young kids were, they knew they were doing something kind of crazy.
01:38:59.000 And they would go to war zones.
01:39:01.000 Like that's how Tim Pool started out. 1.00
01:39:03.000 These guys would go to the fucking war zones and get shot at. 1.00
01:39:05.000 They had bulletproof vests on and shit. 1.00
01:39:07.000 They'd be doing investigate, like real investigative reporting. 0.73
01:39:11.000 And so this guy did just really went up there and hung out with this dude in Alaska for like a week.
01:39:18.000 And was talking to him.
01:39:19.000 I was like, what's so great about this?
01:39:21.000 And he's a very intelligent guy. 0.99
01:39:23.000 He's not the guy who's this guy, Hindmo. 1.00
01:39:27.000 See if you can find that.
01:39:28.000 Did you find it?
01:39:29.000 I was looking around.
01:39:30.000 I mean, they're still posting stuff.
01:39:32.000 There's the Last Alaskans.
01:39:35.000 Oh, he's still posting stuff?
01:39:37.000 They have a YouTube channel.
01:39:38.000 Oh, wow.
01:39:39.000 Hindmo and Edna.
01:39:40.000 Oh, wow.
01:39:41.000 He looks older now.
01:39:42.000 They're just talking about podcasts here a second ago.
01:39:45.000 Oh, interesting.
01:39:47.000 They're talking about podcasts?
01:39:48.000 Our podcasts.
01:39:49.000 Oh, because we talked about him?
01:39:50.000 No, I mean, I just saw as you were, your picture popped up.
01:39:54.000 Oh, that's it.
01:39:54.000 That's me talking about him.
01:39:56.000 Yeah.
01:39:57.000 See if you could find the vice guy to travel because that's where I found out about him.
01:40:02.000 So, this guy's, he's like one of the last people that's allowed to live up there.
01:40:06.000 He has like a notice posted on his cabin because he's grandfathered in.
01:40:12.000 I don't think you could build a cabin up there anymore.
01:40:18.000 That's not, this is afterwards.
01:40:20.000 15 years ago.
01:40:22.000 Might be it.
01:40:24.000 But I think it's called Hindmo's Arctic Adventure.
01:40:29.000 Yeah, Hymo Korth, Hymo's Arctic Refuge.
01:40:33.000 That's the article.
01:40:35.000 Yeah, I mean, the Vice website isn't really one of the most well kept things on the internet these days.
01:40:47.000 Put in Arctic Adventure.
01:40:48.000 I'm guessing that the article was the first thing, and then they went and followed up to make a video, and that's what this is.
01:40:54.000 Yeah, I don't know if, yeah, maybe that's it.
01:40:56.000 Yeah, see, it says it presents Highmost Arctic Refuge.
01:40:59.000 Right.
01:41:00.000 That's probably it.
01:41:00.000 They could have just changed the name on YouTube.
01:41:02.000 I think they did.
01:41:03.000 Or maybe I remember it wrong.
01:41:05.000 Either way, this guy's premise is that this is really how you should live.
01:41:11.000 This is how people, yeah, that's the guy.
01:41:13.000 So he's this nerdy cat is hanging out.
01:41:18.000 He looks so out of place.
01:41:20.000 Yep, this is it.
01:41:22.000 And he's got this caribou that he shot.
01:41:25.000 And they're hanging frozen, and he just saws off a piece and throws the frozen steaks onto the grill, cooks it over wood, and this is how this guy lives.
01:41:34.000 And that's all he eats.
01:41:36.000 He's just eating caribou and salmon, and he lives up there all year round, man.
01:41:44.000 And it's, I mean, he's just very happy.
01:41:49.000 And this is the weird part about it how happy people who live like this are.
01:41:55.000 In our brain.
01:41:56.000 That's how we're designed to exist with nature.
01:42:00.000 We're designed to be hunter gatherers.
01:42:03.000 We still have the same DNA as people that lived tens of thousands of years ago.
01:42:07.000 And cities started, what, maybe 10,000 years ago in some form, right?
01:42:13.000 Yeah, depending on who you ask.
01:42:15.000 I think we're a little wrong with that, too.
01:42:18.000 I think they're starting to change their perspective of when actual civilization emerged because of stuff like Gobekli Tepe in Turkey.
01:42:29.000 They found these immense structures that are 11,800 years old that were buried, that this guy who was like a sheepherder in the 90s found it.
01:42:37.000 Really?
01:42:37.000 Yeah, he found like a stone that was like sticking out of the ground weird and he kicked it with his boots, like knocking some dirt off.
01:42:43.000 And then he brought in some archaeologists and then they discovered this massive complex these like huge circles of giant stone columns with 3D animals carved in them.
01:42:53.000 And they carbon dated the ground and it was intentionally covered up somewhere around 11,000 plus years ago.
01:42:59.000 So they're like, really? 0.98
01:43:00.000 Yeah, so like, what the fuck is this? 0.98
01:43:02.000 Like, they didn't even know like what the civilization was. 0.99
01:43:05.000 Like, why did they build this?
01:43:07.000 What's the purpose of it?
01:43:09.000 There's a lot of people that debate whether or not what's depicted on it is a calendar.
01:43:13.000 Is it a marking of an event?
01:43:15.000 Does it show the flood?
01:43:16.000 Like, what is this?
01:43:18.000 It's weird stuff, man.
01:43:20.000 Like, really weird stuff.
01:43:21.000 And I think there's more of that than you'd like to, that makes people comfortable.
01:43:25.000 And archaeologists are very hesitant to accept it.
01:43:28.000 Well, that whole deal, right?
01:43:30.000 Like, your relevance being upon you discovered this thing.
01:43:35.000 Yeah.
01:43:36.000 When they found the Clovis Point.
01:43:39.000 So then we're dating everything off of that, and anyone finding anything else is going to.
01:43:43.000 Render that guy's discovery less important.
01:43:46.000 Yeah.
01:43:47.000 And, you know, there was at one point we thought there was this logical evolution of man from Homo erectus into Homo sapien, and now we know that there were at least four, maybe five species of humanoid living at the same time.
01:44:00.000 Mm hmm. 0.98
01:44:01.000 It's just fucking crazy. 0.99
01:44:02.000 At least five. 0.98
01:44:03.000 Not only that, it's like really difficult to make a fossil.
01:44:07.000 Most people are going to die and their bones are going to be gone within a hundred years.
01:44:10.000 Yeah.
01:44:10.000 It's just what we've been able to find, and we're basing an entire science upon.
01:44:15.000 Mm hmm.
01:44:17.000 Incredibly incomplete discoveries.
01:44:18.000 We're basing entire science on a very limited number that can even possibly exist. 0.92
01:44:24.000 I think if you take into account how many dinosaur bones they've found and then how many dinosaurs existed and for how many hundreds of millions of years dinosaurs existed, and you realize, oh, most shit doesn't make a fossil.
01:44:41.000 So we don't even know how many different dinosaurs that we've. 0.73
01:44:44.000 I mean, they just discovered a new one recently.
01:44:46.000 We don't even know how many existed that we never found fossilized.
01:44:49.000 Yeah.
01:44:50.000 If they didn't run through some lava pit or tar pit or something, how would you know?
01:44:54.000 And every so often, some new form of ancient human pops up, and we're like, oh, well, what's this one? 0.99
01:45:01.000 What the fuck is this one? 0.95
01:45:03.000 There's weird ones. 0.99
01:45:04.000 They're all over the place. 0.98
01:45:05.000 There's a fucking ton of them. 1.00
01:45:07.000 The Denisovans. 1.00
01:45:07.000 There's the one in, I believe it was in China, the big headed people. 1.00
01:45:12.000 They're quite a bit larger. 0.93
01:45:14.000 These are in Texas.
01:45:15.000 Yeah, that's Glen Rose.
01:45:16.000 Dinosaur Valley State Park.
01:45:18.000 That's Glen Rose, Texas.
01:45:18.000 Wow.
01:45:19.000 That's crazy.
01:45:20.000 How crazy is that?
01:45:23.000 Look at those footprints.
01:45:24.000 That's so nuts.
01:45:25.000 That is so nuts.
01:45:28.000 The dinosaur left those.
01:45:30.000 How long ago?
01:45:31.000 113 million year old dinosaur tracks. 1.00
01:45:34.000 What the fuck, man? 0.99
01:45:36.000 And, you know, we're just lucky. 1.00
01:45:42.000 So, what is he, what that thing, and how much did it fucking weigh to imprint into that, which is now granite, right?
01:45:48.000 But at the time, it's probably some mixture of mud and.
01:45:51.000 Ash from a volcano that came together.
01:45:54.000 Right, probably.
01:45:55.000 Some version of that.
01:45:56.000 Right, I wonder what the animal was.
01:45:58.000 Do they know which dinosaur it was?
01:46:00.000 There's a picture of one here.
01:46:01.000 I don't know if it's the wall.
01:46:03.000 I'll just guess that's the one they assumed was there.
01:46:05.000 God, those footprints are so dope.
01:46:09.000 That's so wild.
01:46:10.000 I wonder who the first guy found that was.
01:46:14.000 It says it was discovered after a drought, so it would have been.
01:46:18.000 Oh, that's even cooler.
01:46:20.000 So it was underneath the water the whole time, and then they're like, holy, the river dried up completely in most locations, line for more tracks to be uncovered here in the park.
01:46:28.000 Wow, that's sick.
01:46:32.000 That's the animal?
01:46:33.000 Believed to be.
01:46:34.000 Yeah, they wouldn't know for sure.
01:46:34.000 I don't know.
01:46:35.000 Belonged to two types of dinos, including.
01:46:38.000 Acrocanthosaurus.
01:46:42.000 Yeah, I don't think they've found any fossils or anything to be.
01:46:47.000 for the record.
01:46:48.000 That's even crazier, right?
01:46:50.000 All you find is the feet.
01:46:52.000 Think about how many died there. 0.99
01:46:53.000 Think about how many just got eaten by other animals and shit out. 0.99
01:46:58.000 I mean, most stuff that lives, I mean, you know as well as anybody, you very rarely find skeletons in the woods. 0.99
01:47:07.000 No, the mice are going to eat them.
01:47:08.000 Yeah, something's going to eat.
01:47:10.000 Most of what you find in the woods, within a couple of years, everything's gone.
01:47:14.000 But, like, when was the last time?
01:47:16.000 Like, if you're a hunter, good luck finding a dead mountain lion. 1.00
01:47:20.000 They must die. 1.00
01:47:21.000 They must die. 1.00
01:47:22.000 I don't know anybody who's found a dead one. 0.99
01:47:23.000 I've never found one.
01:47:24.000 I've never seen one.
01:47:25.000 There's thousands of them.
01:47:26.000 They die.
01:47:27.000 Where are they? 1.00
01:47:28.000 Fucking nature takes care of everything. 0.99
01:47:30.000 And that's what would happen to most fossils. 0.99
01:47:32.000 Yeah.
01:47:32.000 That's why most fossils don't happen.
01:47:34.000 I mean, when people die, they don't get fossilized.
01:47:38.000 A local schoolboy found some of these.
01:47:40.000 Wow.
01:47:41.000 Look at the size of those next to that dude.
01:47:43.000 That's crazy.
01:47:44.000 Imagine you ran home and tried to tell your parents.
01:47:47.000 They wouldn't even know what dinosaurs really were, I bet back then.
01:47:49.000 How would they have known?
01:47:50.000 Well, there's a lot of people today that don't even think dinosaurs are real, which is hilarious.
01:47:55.000 There's so many knuckleheads online.
01:47:58.000 But, I mean, we have a very limited amount of information that we're basing the entire history of Earth on planet.
01:48:06.000 What do you describe that as?
01:48:07.000 A 1910 three toed giant?
01:48:14.000 I don't even know what you're saying.
01:48:14.000 Lizard?
01:48:15.000 I know.
01:48:15.000 How would you even be sure that that was a footprint?
01:48:17.000 Come look at this, and then you've got to go tell everybody else in the town to come follow you out there to find it.
01:48:22.000 In 1910, did they even have drawings of dinosaurs?
01:48:22.000 Right.
01:48:25.000 Well, I wouldn't think they would have found some of the bones.
01:48:28.000 I'm sure.
01:48:29.000 I think we figured that out, right?
01:48:31.000 I think we talked about that.
01:48:32.000 Didn't they first start finding them in the 1800s?
01:48:35.000 Isn't that what it was?
01:48:37.000 But yeah, it's not. 0.94
01:48:38.000 I mean, if you think about how many different things died and just were absorbed by the earth, just getting shit out.
01:48:45.000 Swallowed up, just destroyed by time and erosion, and never became fossils.
01:48:50.000 We're basing the entire history of the planet on a limited amount of information.
01:48:55.000 And that information, it never gets younger, it always gets older.
01:49:00.000 The more stuff they found like they found a modern version of human beings that pushes the timeline of humans back another 300,000 or 400,000 years.
01:49:10.000 And that keeps happening.
01:49:11.000 Well, they thought that people crossed the Bering Land Bridge.
01:49:15.000 12,000, 14,000 years ago.
01:49:18.000 And now they've pushed that back 10,000 years.
01:49:20.000 Yeah, they found those footprints in White Sands, New Mexico.
01:49:23.000 And those are 22,000 years old.
01:49:25.000 It took a giant flood to come wash away layers of sediment.
01:49:29.000 Oh, wow.
01:49:31.000 That's why it's so muddy around it, I guess.
01:49:31.000 Revealed that.
01:49:34.000 And then they started digging.
01:49:34.000 Wow.
01:49:36.000 That's fucking cool. 0.99
01:49:38.000 That is so cool. 0.99
01:49:40.000 And this is in 1952, they did that?
01:49:44.000 No, no, no.
01:49:45.000 1908.
01:49:45.000 1908?
01:49:46.000 The pictures are from 1952 or something.
01:49:47.000 Oh, okay.
01:49:48.000 They must have just kept.
01:49:50.000 Maybe it flooded again 50 years later.
01:49:51.000 Floods do happen here fast.
01:49:53.000 When did they first figure out dinosaurs?
01:49:56.000 Like, what was the first year a dinosaur bone was discovered?
01:50:00.000 Discovered on your ranch, do you find like a lot of like arrowheads and like Native American stuff?
01:50:09.000 The one I grew up on everywhere, yeah.
01:50:12.000 Every time it had rain, you'd find these points.
01:50:15.000 Dutch enthralls me, it's so fascinating.
01:50:18.000 You pick up some arrow, I found one in Nevada while I was on a mule deer hunt.
01:50:23.000 I was in the high desert, we found this little tiny thing. 0.99
01:50:26.000 I look down, I go, Oh my god, it's a fucking arrowhead, and you just think, Some dude. 0.98
01:50:31.000 Who knows how many hundreds of years ago shot that deer? 0.99
01:50:35.000 Thousands.
01:50:36.000 We found a bunch, and my mother took them to Fort Worth to the museum, and they dated them.
01:50:41.000 And some of them, and they could look at them, and they'd know various styles, right?
01:50:45.000 And they go, Oh, this was made by this is 2,200 years old, this is 4,000 years old.
01:50:51.000 This is when they started doing this.
01:50:52.000 We have one here.
01:50:54.000 I got one here somewhere.
01:50:55.000 It's a big one, too.
01:50:58.000 1677 was when the first scientifically recorded dinosaur bone was described. 0.95
01:51:04.000 Although it says they've been digging, people have been digging them up for thousands of years, but they didn't know what the fuck it was. 0.85
01:51:08.000 This one says he even thought it belonged to a giant human. 0.92
01:51:13.000 This is one from here.
01:51:14.000 Oh, yeah.
01:51:15.000 Look at that.
01:51:16.000 Yeah, a friend of mine got that off of his ranch.
01:51:20.000 Remy Warren told me that's probably one they used for fishing because it was so big.
01:51:24.000 Interesting.
01:51:25.000 Yeah, I thought so too.
01:51:26.000 I was like, that's interesting.
01:51:28.000 Because I guess when you're dealing with old bows that didn't have a whole lot of power, you really wouldn't want a big, wide cut because you wouldn't get enough penetration to get through the rib cage.
01:51:38.000 Unless you're really close.
01:51:39.000 This would be more on a spear?
01:51:40.000 No, it would be on an arrow.
01:51:42.000 It would just be something that you shot at a fish because it's easier to penetrate than, like, say, a buffalo.
01:51:47.000 Right.
01:51:48.000 Where they would use a smaller head.
01:51:51.000 They're just trying to get penetration.
01:51:53.000 That's fascinating.
01:51:54.000 It's just an amazing thing you're finding just this piece of ancient history where people had no internet, no books, no nothing, just flint napping and using tendons.
01:52:07.000 Spatter shotting.
01:52:08.000 Yeah.
01:52:10.000 And then.
01:52:11.000 Trying to practice with those bows and figure out how to do it while you're on horseback, too.
01:52:19.000 It's crazy.
01:52:21.000 So, where you grew up, on the ranch you grew up, you'd find them all the time?
01:52:24.000 All the time. 0.99
01:52:25.000 What was the oldest shit you found? 1.00
01:52:27.000 Man, I can't remember. 0.99
01:52:31.000 But I remember it being thousands of years old, a few thousand years old.
01:52:35.000 But we had a, like, my mother had this wicker basket that was like this big, and it was full.
01:52:44.000 Of arrowheads.
01:52:45.000 Yeah.
01:52:46.000 You'd find them, just toss them in there.
01:52:46.000 Wow.
01:52:48.000 That's crazy.
01:52:49.000 Yeah.
01:52:50.000 Just makes you think how long did people live on that land?
01:52:54.000 How many hundreds, thousands of years did people live on that land?
01:52:59.000 Yeah.
01:53:01.000 Yeah. 0.96
01:53:02.000 And, or pass through or have battles or who fucking knows? 0.97
01:53:06.000 Yeah. 0.59
01:53:08.000 Or when you find them like we found them, I mean, every single time it rained, there was this stock tank behind our house and maybe it's half mile up to the stock tank.
01:53:18.000 We walked that road and you could find four or five.
01:53:21.000 So, was that a trading depot?
01:53:23.000 Was that some place where people went to trade?
01:53:27.000 And then I always think, How do you lose that many?
01:53:32.000 As hard as they must be to make, you'd think once you've shot that arrow, you're going to go look for the arrow.
01:53:32.000 Right.
01:53:37.000 Yeah.
01:53:37.000 Because you spent hours making this.
01:53:40.000 They must have shot so many for so long.
01:53:44.000 I mean, they're probably shooting them every day.
01:53:46.000 They probably had somebody back at camp making them every day.
01:53:49.000 There's probably some guy that that's his skill.
01:53:51.000 Yeah.
01:53:52.000 Maybe when people got older, they couldn't hunt, couldn't run.
01:53:56.000 Right.
01:53:57.000 They sat back and right.
01:53:57.000 Maybe.
01:53:59.000 Yeah, and that guy makes the arrows, and maybe somebody else makes the bows, and this guy's going out and shooting the deer and bringing them back.
01:54:06.000 When you're doing a show like 1823, how much research did you have to do to try to get that right?
01:54:13.000 Because that was, in my opinion, one of the best theatrical things that I ever watched, movie or television show, that I feel like nailed what it must have been like to try to travel across the country, to be a civilized person living in the city. 0.87
01:54:30.000 Try to make your way across the country and just experience the wild shit those people saw. 0.72
01:54:35.000 Well, there's a few things. 0.99
01:54:37.000 So, a lot of research.
01:54:38.000 But interestingly, I had my family had come, one side of my family had come from Kentucky to Texas in the 1840s.
01:54:49.000 And whatever great great grandmother journaled.
01:54:53.000 So, I had the journal.
01:54:53.000 Wow.
01:54:55.000 Holy shit. 1.00
01:54:58.000 And then I started finding other journals. 0.99
01:55:00.000 There wasn't, you know, some were published.
01:55:03.000 And reading about. 0.98
01:55:06.000 Just how fucking dangerous it was. 0.91
01:55:10.000 If you think about it, rivers were the most terrifying thing, crossing rivers, because no one swam. 0.97
01:55:16.000 No one could swim. 1.00
01:55:19.000 And most of the people who came into either the port of New Orleans or Galveston, they were European.
01:55:29.000 They were German, a lot of Germans.
01:55:31.000 There were a lot of Central Europeans.
01:55:35.000 That came and they were promised free land, right?
01:55:40.000 There would be travel agencies that they would arrange the entire trip with before they've even left Germany or Croatia or wherever they were.
01:55:51.000 And so by the time that they landed in Galveston, they would meet up with their group and the group would, you know, they'd have chipped in all this amount of money and they've got guides and they would have already arranged for mules or horses and wagons.
01:56:06.000 And off they go.
01:56:07.000 And they had no idea. 0.98
01:56:09.000 A lot of them had never fucking ridden a horse in their life. 0.99
01:56:13.000 Much less fired a gun. 0.98
01:56:15.000 Much less, they're in a completely foreign area.
01:56:20.000 And they landed in Texas, most of them heading to Oregon because that area was the most similar to where they were from in Central Europe.
01:56:29.000 And then, for whatever reason, some didn't get that far.
01:56:33.000 Some maybe never got past Waco or Fort Worth or wherever.
01:56:37.000 And then off they went.
01:56:40.000 And the dangers were from obviously rivers and sun exposure, disease.
01:56:49.000 Obviously, there were issues with bandits and the Native American tribes, depending on the time of year, the era, right?
01:56:57.000 By the 80s, that was largely not an issue, the 1880s. 0.99
01:57:01.000 But bandits sure as shit were a real issue because there's no rule of law. 0.98
01:57:06.000 Right. 0.99
01:57:07.000 And we can look at, there's plenty of bad people.
01:57:07.000 Right.
01:57:10.000 Doing awful shit today, and we got all sorts of laws. 0.99
01:57:13.000 Now, imagine if those people had the wherewithal to go to a place where there's no laws. 1.00
01:57:18.000 No law and no enforcement.
01:57:20.000 No help, no nothing.
01:57:22.000 You're on your own. 1.00
01:57:23.000 You're on your fucking own. 1.00
01:57:24.000 And there was a bunch of people that had been living like that for decades, just fucking people up. 1.00
01:57:29.000 Waiting for you. 0.99
01:57:30.000 Just waiting for you.
01:57:31.000 Waiting for you.
01:57:32.000 Here they come.
01:57:33.000 Let's get them.
01:57:34.000 And that was what their thing was.
01:57:35.000 Yeah.
01:57:36.000 So, river crossings were incredibly dangerous.
01:57:39.000 And then. 1.00
01:57:41.000 Trying to, if you didn't have an experienced guide, you're fucked. 1.00
01:57:46.000 Truly fucked. 1.00
01:57:47.000 Because you could pick the wrong way and run out of water. 1.00
01:57:52.000 Go wander around in the circle.
01:57:53.000 You get up there on the Great Plains to where it's flat and you don't know how to read the sun.
01:57:58.000 You don't know where you're going.
01:58:00.000 People go out there and make giant circles.
01:58:02.000 Yeah.
01:58:03.000 I was reading something about that the other day that people tend to, for whatever reason, always walk in a counterclockwise direction when they get lost.
01:58:14.000 And that even if they're left footed or right handed or left handed, it doesn't seem to matter.
01:58:20.000 Humans, when they walk, if they get lost, like in the woods, they walk in circles and they almost always walk in a counterclockwise direction.
01:58:29.000 And so, this article was explaining that if you find yourself lost and you think you're running into the same places, most likely you should veer towards the right because you're most likely looping towards the left for whatever reason.
01:58:47.000 People tend to do that.
01:58:48.000 I wonder if there's like a scientific explanation.
01:58:51.000 Put that in perplexity.
01:58:52.000 See why people move in a counterclockwise way.
01:58:55.000 It didn't come up with anything. 0.99
01:58:56.000 Perplexity doesn't know shit, it doesn't have any crap. 0.99
01:58:58.000 Woodsmanship. 0.99
01:59:00.000 I never understood getting lost in the wilderness.
01:59:02.000 I didn't understand it.
01:59:03.000 You can understand not knowing where you are.
01:59:03.000 Really?
01:59:06.000 But, you know, but I never understood getting lost.
01:59:09.000 Well, you must have learned how to use a compass early.
01:59:13.000 Yeah, or the sun.
01:59:14.000 Right?
01:59:14.000 Yeah.
01:59:15.000 If the sun comes up in the morning and you're facing it, then behind you is west, to your left is north, to your right is south.
01:59:20.000 Some people have zero experience in the woods, though.
01:59:25.000 People tend to loop often counterclockwise when lost because small errors in our internal sense of straight ahead accumulate.
01:59:32.000 And humans also have a subtle left turn counterclockwise bias.
01:59:36.000 Whose exact cause is still unclear.
01:59:38.000 Isn't that weird?
01:59:39.000 Wow.
01:59:39.000 That's so weird.
01:59:41.000 In lab and field experiments, blindfolded people tend to walk straight without landmarks, almost always end up curving into large loops instead of moving in a straight line.
01:59:51.000 People told, rather, to walk straight without landmarks.
01:59:54.000 This happens because without internal clues, oh, external clues like the sun, distant objects, or a visible path, small random errors in balance and body feedback build up until the path bends enough to close into a circle.
01:59:54.000 Wow.
02:00:09.000 Wow.
02:00:10.000 That's got to be so disheartening. 0.99
02:00:12.000 You've been walking for days and then you pass the same dead tree and you're like, oh my God, we walked in a fucking circle. 0.96
02:00:20.000 Pedestrians everywhere exhibit a counterclockwise bias, wired to walk counterclockwise. 0.85
02:00:26.000 During COVID, scientists studying social distancing noticed that people seem to prefer moving counterclockwise.
02:00:33.000 That's so weird.
02:00:34.000 Hmm.
02:00:35.000 Tendency is fundamentally individual rather than a collective.
02:00:38.000 What does that mean?
02:00:42.000 So, every individual does it, I guess, rather than a group of people just following the leader.
02:00:47.000 Pretty wild.
02:00:49.000 So, when people get lost, but some people have just zero experience being in the woods at all, and they just don't know where to go.
02:00:58.000 Where are we? 0.95
02:00:59.000 And they just fucking freak out. 0.98
02:01:02.000 And then they panic because they think, what's out there? 0.99
02:01:03.000 Oh my God, I want to die.
02:01:05.000 Yeah. 0.99
02:01:06.000 And you realize that once you're out there, nature doesn't give a fuck if you make it. 0.97
02:01:12.000 No, it doesn't care. 0.96
02:01:14.000 At all.
02:01:15.000 It's heartless, completely oblivious to your desire to stay alive.
02:01:15.000 No.
02:01:21.000 It's not interested in what you want to do at all.
02:01:24.000 Nope.
02:01:26.000 Nope.
02:01:26.000 Not at all.
02:01:27.000 It's ambivalent.
02:01:28.000 But that's also part of the beauty of it, right?
02:01:30.000 Yeah.
02:01:31.000 When you're out there, especially if you take yourself seriously.
02:01:34.000 Yeah. 0.99
02:01:35.000 You're out there, you're like, oh, I ain't shit. 0.99
02:01:39.000 It'll test you. 0.99
02:01:40.000 Yeah.
02:01:41.000 When you're writing a thing like 1823, like.
02:01:45.000 You're doing all this research and you read the diaries from your, you said your great grandmother?
02:01:51.000 Like great great great grandmother.
02:01:53.000 Did you ever think of putting some of those letters online so other people can read them?
02:01:59.000 No.
02:02:01.000 There's plenty of, there's any number of published books of very similar journals.
02:02:05.000 I know, but it'd be kind of dope for people to read about your great great grandmother.
02:02:10.000 Yeah, nothing happened, right? 0.99
02:02:12.000 It sucked. 0.95
02:02:13.000 It was cold. 0.99
02:02:14.000 We had freaking whatever weird shit they had for dinner that night, and so and so was rude, and it was this, and we. 0.98
02:02:23.000 You know, we stopped in this beautiful valley and it was hard to get across the river, and I was scared. 0.98
02:02:27.000 You know, but no attacks, no, it was pretty uneventful.
02:02:30.000 They got lucky.
02:02:31.000 It's just, it's interesting just as a window into time.
02:02:34.000 You know?
02:02:34.000 Yes.
02:02:35.000 Well, what's interesting really is how well written the journal was.
02:02:40.000 Because everyone was very educated.
02:02:40.000 Right?
02:02:42.000 Yeah.
02:02:43.000 Was better educated.
02:02:44.000 Yes.
02:02:45.000 Yeah.
02:02:46.000 And yeah, that's weird, right?
02:02:46.000 Yeah.
02:02:49.000 When you read like Civil War letters and you're like, why were these guys so fucking smart? 0.72
02:02:54.000 I have letters from my. 0.59
02:02:57.000 who died in World War II, love letters from him to my grandmother, years of them.
02:03:04.000 Because, you know, they enlisted in 1941 and then went off and became a, they flew a, I guess it was the B-19, a bomber.
02:03:17.000 And, yeah, and wrote all these letters to her.
02:03:20.000 Yeah, and I have all those and they're just magnificent.
02:03:24.000 Just the way that people would, Just be so eloquent in a letter to your wife.
02:03:33.000 Yeah, my beloved.
02:03:34.000 They would write things like that.
02:03:36.000 It is weird, like the deterioration of our ability to express ourselves, the common person's ability to express themselves.
02:03:45.000 You wouldn't have expected that back then, I bet.
02:03:48.000 If you could tell people about the future, you go, oh, you're going to have the answer to any question on your phone.
02:03:52.000 You have a small device in your pocket, it also acts as a flashlight.
02:03:56.000 You're going to be able to pick that thing up and ask it anything you want, and instantaneously it's going to give you a result.
02:04:02.000 But, oh, people must be brilliant. 1.00
02:04:04.000 No, no, they're half retarded. 1.00
02:04:07.000 Because they didn't learn anything. 1.00
02:04:08.000 Right.
02:04:09.000 Right?
02:04:09.000 You can ask a machine, the machine's done all the learning.
02:04:13.000 You just get an answer that you didn't earn.
02:04:15.000 Right?
02:04:16.000 That's the word earn.
02:04:17.000 Yeah.
02:04:18.000 Yeah.
02:04:19.000 Just like equity.
02:04:20.000 The problem with equity is you didn't earn it.
02:04:24.000 The problem with having the same results as everybody else when you don't put the same effort.
02:04:30.000 People in the 1800s often spent blocks of time, typically one to three hours at a stretch, on letter writing.
02:04:36.000 And heavy correspondence could easily spend several hours most days.
02:04:41.000 Wow.
02:04:42.000 Most people treated correspondence as a regular daily or weekly task, similar to a modern email block, excepting that it would take a significant chunk of their time.
02:04:52.000 Wow. 0.99
02:04:54.000 I mean, how important was the fucking mailman back then? 0.99
02:04:59.000 Everything. 0.99
02:05:00.000 The guy was everything. 1.00
02:05:01.000 Some dude on a horse with a fucking bag of letters. 1.00
02:05:01.000 Everything. 1.00
02:05:07.000 Nuts.
02:05:07.000 For a quarter?
02:05:08.000 I mean, how much did they charge?
02:05:10.000 A quarter was a lot of money back then.
02:05:11.000 Probably was less than that.
02:05:12.000 Yeah, probably half a penny or something if they had a.
02:05:15.000 Well, they did have a half penny.
02:05:17.000 How much do you enjoy writing that kind of a show versus writing a show like Lioness or like Landman?
02:05:25.000 Do you have a favorite or do you like all of them?
02:05:27.000 No, I can't say I have a favorite necessarily.
02:05:32.000 You know, the fun thing about Lioness, which is sort of.
02:05:37.000 I can't say it's ripped from the headlines because I don't, I've tried to be, I've tried to guess what's going to happen politically and then fictionalize that. 0.74
02:05:49.000 And the fact that I've managed to be right is pretty fucking wild.
02:05:54.000 I thought, surely, in season two, when I said that the cartels had been listed as terrorist organizations, I'm like, this could be my 18 month cancel vacation coming. 0.98
02:06:08.000 And then it fucking happened. 0.73
02:06:10.000 And then it came out, and the show came out within weeks of that, and I looked really like a soothsayer. 0.99
02:06:17.000 Yeah.
02:06:19.000 So that it's a lot of fun because it's so political and it's not, it doesn't choose a political side. 0.91
02:06:24.000 It just looks at the tradecraft of espionage and how it's intermingles with our military and it's just fascinating shit to me. 0.93
02:06:35.000 Just fascinating. 1.00
02:06:36.000 But there's so many different things that you have to be aware of to write the shit that you write. 0.98
02:06:41.000 You know, like, is the Harrison Ford one 1923? 0.99
02:06:44.000 Is that one?
02:06:45.000 That one is fascinating too because you got the guy who goes off. 0.99
02:06:48.000 To Africa, and he comes back, and you've got all these people that are trying to steal land. 0.90
02:06:53.000 So it's not totally lawless, but it's on the border of lawlessness. 0.99
02:06:57.000 Yeah.
02:06:58.000 You're watching Montana in the 20s, it was fascinating.
02:07:01.000 It was a fascinating place because you've got the 20th century, the Industrial Revolution in full swing, and you have washing machines, refrigerators, telephones, and electricity, and then you're still traveling by horseback.
02:07:14.000 Yeah.
02:07:16.000 So very, very interesting.
02:07:18.000 And so that's a really fun thing to explore.
02:07:23.000 That one dude who was the evil rich guy on that show. 1.00
02:07:26.000 Fuck, he killed it. 1.00
02:07:26.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00
02:07:27.000 Tim Dalton.
02:07:28.000 That's right.
02:07:28.000 Oh, my God.
02:07:29.000 Tim Dalton.
02:07:30.000 Who was Bond at one point in time, right?
02:07:33.000 Crazy.
02:07:33.000 Yes.
02:07:34.000 My God, does he play a good fucking creep? 1.00
02:07:34.000 Yeah. 1.00
02:07:36.000 It was twisted.
02:07:38.000 So good.
02:07:39.000 Yeah.
02:07:40.000 I forgot that it was Tim Dalton.
02:07:41.000 That's how good it was.
02:07:42.000 Yeah. 1.00
02:07:43.000 My wife watched that and looked at me like, how'd you think that shit up, dude? 0.99
02:07:48.000 Like, I got the side eye for. 0.99
02:07:50.000 There's a couple of scenes where she's like, bro, what are you thinking?
02:07:55.000 Yeah, there's a couple of scenes I wondered myself.
02:07:57.000 I was like, this is rough.
02:07:58.000 I was like, that's evil.
02:08:00.000 Some of the SM stuff is like, she's pretty twisted.
02:08:03.000 But there's people like that in the world.
02:08:05.000 100%.
02:08:07.000 Yeah. 0.97
02:08:08.000 I'll tell you what, my computer, I just assume that the CIA and FBI have like a whole team because the shit I look up when I'm researching, I'm like, how to make a bomb? 0.96
02:08:19.000 SM practice. 0.98
02:08:22.000 Yeah. 0.58
02:08:23.000 CIA hot regions in the Middle East, and it's all at once, right?
02:08:26.000 Yeah.
02:08:28.000 Yeah, there's no way they're not looking at your phone.
02:08:30.000 No, they're looking at it going, Taylor's writing something new.
02:08:32.000 Look at this. 0.99
02:08:33.000 I think anybody that has any influence, they probably look at your shit no matter what anyway, which is also dark. 0.99
02:08:39.000 Like, we don't even know how much actual real spying on people is occurring. 0.99
02:08:44.000 We're just guessing.
02:08:45.000 No, we don't have any idea.
02:08:48.000 I think within the world of tradecraft, a tremendous amount.
02:08:52.000 Oh, yeah.
02:08:53.000 I think within the world of I mean, within that world, I think it's a lot.
02:08:57.000 When you're writing that, how difficult is it to really keep your finger on the pulse of what's actually going on with espionage and what tools they actually have available?
02:09:10.000 Are you making some up?
02:09:12.000 No.
02:09:12.000 I mean, most of the, I mean, I'm sure there is some extremely high tech tradecraft going on, right?
02:09:19.000 For sure.
02:09:21.000 Tracking devices and various things, satellite imagery, facial recognition, all of these things.
02:09:26.000 But a lot of it's also very low tech by design because it's harder to trace, right?
02:09:34.000 And it's a lot of leverage and manipulation.
02:09:39.000 You're either bribing someone with money or blackmailing them.
02:09:43.000 And that's typically those those are the two tools that that are being used the most in tradecraft and in the spy game, right?
02:09:52.000 That's really you're it's leverage leveraging individuals and they're all doing it everybody, right? 0.97
02:09:58.000 Every single and then if you look at some of the and again, I'm not getting on any completely apolitical, but From a tradecraft standpoint what the massacre was able to do with all those fucking cell phones and pagers and shit like you want to talk about play the long game Like, 0.67
02:10:18.000 build this dummy company, sell all these, get all these devices to all of these people who are your enemy, and start setting them off years later to detonate. 0.97
02:10:32.000 Insanity.
02:10:33.000 I mean, it's genius.
02:10:34.000 It really is.
02:10:35.000 Insanity.
02:10:36.000 Not endorsing it.
02:10:37.000 No, no, but if you.
02:10:38.000 The actual act of doing it?
02:10:40.000 To look at the patience and the planning and the risks and that they were able to execute that.
02:10:50.000 Is shocking. 0.98
02:10:51.000 When you saw that in the news, did you think, if I wrote that, no one would fucking buy it? 0.97
02:10:56.000 Dude, I do that all the time with the news. 0.98
02:11:00.000 The Maduro rate.
02:11:01.000 If I had written that.
02:11:02.000 Right.
02:11:03.000 No one would.
02:11:04.000 Right.
02:11:04.000 They were like, that's too simple.
02:11:06.000 The fuck out of here. 0.99
02:11:07.000 That's not how it goes down. 0.99
02:11:08.000 Yeah. 0.94
02:11:09.000 Even the bin Laden rate, a helicopter crashed. 0.96
02:11:12.000 Yeah. 0.99
02:11:14.000 The fact that they were able to, and I know it wasn't as smooth as it was led on to be, but the fact that no one died.
02:11:21.000 Not an American invading the Venezuelan military base in the middle of Caracas. 0.99
02:11:30.000 It's fucking insane. 0.99
02:11:31.000 It seems like it went pretty smooth. 0.99
02:11:32.000 Do you think it went less smooth than they're saying?
02:11:34.000 I'm sure that there's elements of, like, I'm sure, right?
02:11:39.000 I don't know how any, the one thing I've learned with all my research into the military is any of these operations.
02:11:45.000 There's actually a line in the upcoming line where someone says, Did it go smooth?
02:11:50.000 And the guy says, Well, smooth as these things go.
02:11:53.000 Right. 0.99
02:11:53.000 Because just by the very nature, you start sticking a bunch of people in helicopters with guns and shit's going to happen. 0.99
02:12:02.000 But the fact that there were no casualties, that no one was killed, no American was killed is incredible. 0.88
02:12:07.000 Yeah, it is incredible.
02:12:09.000 It's pretty groundbreaking. 0.77
02:12:11.000 This is a new benchmark for what could be possible in terms of an invasion, at least of a third world country.
02:12:18.000 It's just shocking the difference in the technology that the United States possessed versus them.
02:12:24.000 And whether or not they were even available that's No, knew rather that that stuff was available.
02:12:29.000 Yeah, war is going to change very, very quickly.
02:12:34.000 With drones, AI and drones are going to alter the landscape of war. 0.98
02:12:40.000 We're getting real close to some Terminator shit. 0.99
02:12:43.000 Yeah. 0.99
02:12:43.000 And I'm not saying that it's a good thing. 0.99
02:12:45.000 No.
02:12:48.000 It's a very, very, you talk about adolescence of us as a species.
02:12:55.000 We're seeing an adolescence in.
02:12:58.000 The teenage years of a new type of warfare.
02:13:01.000 And when it grows up, it is going to be a beast.
02:13:05.000 A beast.
02:13:09.000 Just think about it. 0.98
02:13:11.000 Now they've got drones that are the size of airplanes.
02:13:13.000 They can have a payload that is devastating, right?
02:13:17.000 Beyond simply a Predator drone that's got a couple of Hellfire missiles or whatever it may have.
02:13:23.000 And someone sitting in a Connex in the desert in Nevada can fly that thing halfway around the world.
02:13:28.000 Or.
02:13:29.000 Don't have anyone fly it, pre-program it, and the thing flies itself.
02:13:35.000 And that's, you give the drone a mission and send the drone off to do the mission, and it's fully automated.
02:13:43.000 Yeah. 0.99
02:13:44.000 That's some terrifying shit. 1.00
02:13:45.000 I bet that's a lot of what this UAP shit is, too. 1.00
02:13:48.000 I bet it's experimenting with that type of technology with some sort of a novel propulsion system. 0.96
02:13:54.000 Because they were working on novel propulsion systems way back in the 50s and the 60s.
02:13:59.000 They were working on anti gravity in the 60s.
02:14:02.000 I don't think we're there.
02:14:04.000 I don't know.
02:14:05.000 I don't think we're there.
02:14:06.000 I don't know.
02:14:07.000 I don't know where we're at.
02:14:09.000 I don't either.
02:14:09.000 I don't know where we're at, but I'm not convinced.
02:14:11.000 I'm not convinced that they haven't done something.
02:14:14.000 In fact, Eric Weinstein makes some really interesting connections between there's a college in upstate New York, a university in upstate New York that has a very overqualified physics department, and it's connected to a hedge fund that does bigger than Bernie Madoff type numbers.
02:14:32.000 And he's like, the whole thing stinks to high heaven.
02:14:35.000 And he goes, and I have a feeling that there's some sort of an undisclosed or a top secret above, you know, top secret access program that's going on.
02:14:45.000 Oh, I can promise you there's something.
02:14:47.000 Yeah.
02:14:48.000 I've always thought a possible solution to petroleum as far as transportation goes, and I wonder why they've never tried it, is using magnetic force.
02:15:01.000 If you have, you take a positive and negative charge.
02:15:01.000 Right?
02:15:06.000 They're going to come together.
02:15:06.000 Yeah.
02:15:07.000 If you take a positive and positive or negative and negative, they're going to. 0.97
02:15:11.000 I'm no fucking scientist, but it's going to repel, right?
02:15:14.000 We've taken magnets and they push each other away. 0.94
02:15:16.000 Well, how can we not use that if you had a vehicle and the base of it is essentially a positive charge or a negative, whatever it takes to make the magnets repel, and then your road base was essentially the similarly charged metal?
02:15:34.000 Wouldn't that make it so much.
02:15:38.000 Wouldn't you have to redo all the roads to make something like that real?
02:15:41.000 Or put it in the road.
02:15:42.000 Yeah, maybe.
02:15:43.000 I mean, it certainly could be a potential source of transportation for the future.
02:15:49.000 But I think the things that they're doing now probably relate to some sort of anti gravity propulsion system.
02:15:57.000 And then there was that, you know, I'm sure you're aware of this.
02:16:00.000 All those scientists that went missing or wound up being murdered.
02:16:04.000 Yeah, dude. 0.99
02:16:04.000 How fucking sketchy is that? 0.99
02:16:07.000 Oh, it's a coincidence. 0.99
02:16:08.000 From Los Alamos, all up there at the nuclear.
02:16:10.000 Yeah.
02:16:10.000 Coincidence.
02:16:12.000 Yeah.
02:16:14.000 Who knows? 0.81
02:16:15.000 I mean, who knows what the fuck those people are working on and whether or not they made breakthroughs and they don't want other people to know or whether or not they want to stop the breakthrough because they're aligned with whatever the conventional propulsion systems are and they don't want to lose money. 0.78
02:16:29.000 This thing makes them obsolete. 0.88
02:16:31.000 They can set back the science for a few years.
02:16:33.000 Or is it tradecraft?
02:16:35.000 Is it Russian or Chinese or Iranian tradecraft?
02:16:38.000 Yeah.
02:16:39.000 Oh, sure.
02:16:40.000 And that's the other thing that Weinstein was saying.
02:16:42.000 It's like it's really shocking how little these.
02:16:45.000 Incredibly important scientists are protected.
02:16:48.000 Yeah. 1.00
02:16:49.000 They're just fucking driving their Volvo to the university and working on top secret shit. 1.00
02:16:55.000 Yeah. 1.00
02:16:55.000 And no one's making sure they don't get whacked by China. 1.00
02:16:58.000 Yeah. 0.96
02:16:59.000 Yeah.
02:17:00.000 I'd be curious.
02:17:02.000 And when they look into that, what was it, 11 of them in a year?
02:17:06.000 15 over a course of a few years.
02:17:08.000 And some of them, people are not, they're going, ah, this could be coincidence.
02:17:13.000 But there's a few of them where it's like, okay, these people, like, This lady was specifically working on spacecraft metallurgy.
02:17:20.000 This guy was specifically working on cold fusion.
02:17:23.000 This guy was specifically.
02:17:24.000 Like, there's a bunch of them where you go, okay, something's weird.
02:17:28.000 Something's weird here.
02:17:29.000 Yeah.
02:17:30.000 Enough to the fact that the government's looking into it.
02:17:32.000 They're like, okay, there might be something here.
02:17:34.000 So the Justice Department's investigating it.
02:17:36.000 They're trying to figure out what the connection is and what could have happened.
02:17:39.000 But it's hard after the fact to try to figure out who did something, especially if somebody got hired from another country.
02:17:46.000 They're not going to tell you.
02:17:47.000 How are you going to know?
02:17:48.000 You didn't catch him.
02:17:49.000 Did you not catch him when they killed the guy? 1.00
02:17:50.000 Okay, well, you're probably fucked. 1.00
02:17:52.000 Yeah. 1.00
02:17:55.000 It's 15.
02:18:00.000 And they're all from that area.
02:18:00.000 Yeah.
02:18:01.000 Aren't they Los Alamos?
02:18:03.000 I don't know.
02:18:04.000 I'm not sure.
02:18:05.000 I think that's part of the problem.
02:18:06.000 It's like there's.
02:18:07.000 Whenever you have a thing like this where people start looking for connections, they can make some connections that aren't necessarily valid.
02:18:14.000 And so, let's say if there's 15, let's say 10 of them. 0.99
02:18:17.000 10 of them are bullshit. 1.00
02:18:18.000 Yeah. 1.00
02:18:19.000 That means five aren't bullshit. 0.97
02:18:21.000 If that's true, that's a lot. 0.99
02:18:24.000 It's five super fucking brilliant people that got whacked. 0.97
02:18:27.000 Yeah. 0.98
02:18:29.000 And it's interesting that.
02:18:31.000 You'd have that many in this specific field in this period of time.
02:18:34.000 Yeah. 0.97
02:18:36.000 And they're not, you know, I would think of a scientist as being pretty fucking healthy. 0.96
02:18:41.000 Right? 0.94
02:18:42.000 I don't know about that.
02:18:45.000 I think a lot of them are just in their own head, you know, and they're probably not even paying attention to their body.
02:18:49.000 Did they all disappear?
02:18:51.000 Different people died from different things.
02:18:54.000 And one of the weirder ones was this one lady who was, I think she's the metallurgy lady, where she was hiking with her friend.
02:19:02.000 And they were just hiking together, and the friend turned around to talk to her, and she was gone.
02:19:07.000 And she was just behind her, like 30 seconds before.
02:19:09.000 They couldn't find her. 0.98
02:19:10.000 They brought in cadaver dogs, they brought in search parties, never found her.
02:19:14.000 And I think they might have found her body recently.
02:19:17.000 See, I think there was a report a few days ago that they might have found her body.
02:19:24.000 I'd be looking real close at the friend.
02:19:27.000 That's just me.
02:19:29.000 That's a guy who writes scripts.
02:19:30.000 Hey, so me and Joe went for a hike. 1.00
02:19:32.000 I turned around, that fucker's gone. 1.00
02:19:33.000 Hey, I don't know why. 1.00
02:19:34.000 I looked everywhere for it.
02:19:36.000 I swear.
02:19:36.000 I had just talked to him 30 seconds ago.
02:19:39.000 And he's just not there.
02:19:40.000 No sign of struggle.
02:19:41.000 It's weird.
02:19:42.000 Yeah.
02:19:45.000 Yeah. 0.85
02:19:45.000 Like a husband and wife go hiking and the lady falls off the cliff. 0.85
02:19:48.000 They're like, hey, buddy.
02:19:50.000 Yeah. 1.00
02:19:50.000 What the fuck happened? 1.00
02:19:51.000 You guys arguing? 0.99
02:19:52.000 Can I see your text messages?
02:19:54.000 Yeah.
02:19:55.000 Or the one that just fell off the boat?
02:19:58.000 Oh, what happened there?
02:20:00.000 I don't want to say it wrong, but I think she.
02:20:02.000 I think.
02:20:05.000 It was out in the Bahamas.
02:20:06.000 I read about it.
02:20:07.000 She.
02:20:08.000 Was it a cruise ship one?
02:20:09.000 No, no, no.
02:20:10.000 It was him and his lady, and they're out on a sailboat or something.
02:20:13.000 Oh, and she whoops.
02:20:14.000 It's so off the side.
02:20:15.000 Yeah, he had to.
02:20:16.000 Yeah, something weird.
02:20:18.000 They're not buying it.
02:20:19.000 It goes all the way back to the Natalie Wood story.
02:20:21.000 You ever look into that one?
02:20:23.000 Oh, yeah.
02:20:24.000 That's right.
02:20:25.000 Her and Walken and Robert Wagner on that?
02:20:28.000 Yeah.
02:20:29.000 And Robert Wagner and her had a big fight, apparently.
02:20:33.000 And then she just.
02:20:35.000 Yep. 0.99
02:20:35.000 Whoops. 0.99
02:20:38.000 Not the same person as the Metallurgy. 1.00
02:20:40.000 Which one is this lady?
02:20:41.000 But she was one of the scientists, correct?
02:20:46.000 I believe she was one of the missing scientists.
02:20:48.000 She was definitely missing for a year.
02:20:50.000 Which one was she?
02:20:52.000 I mean, I don't know.
02:20:53.000 I don't know which ones are.
02:20:54.000 What was her specialty? 0.99
02:20:55.000 She was a missing lab worker.
02:20:58.000 Does it say what she worked on?
02:20:59.000 Nope.
02:21:00.000 No?
02:21:03.000 Administrative assistant. 1.00
02:21:04.000 Yeah, I remember this lady. 1.00
02:21:06.000 Yeah. 1.00
02:21:09.000 The other one was her name is Reza. 1.00
02:21:13.000 And the Reza one, that lady, she was the one that has the. 0.99
02:21:18.000 So she served as the director of NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory, and she was in the materials processing group. 0.99
02:21:25.000 Specialized in burn resistant high strength metal alloys and rocket propulsion metals.
02:21:31.000 And wasn't she one that had like some weird videos?
02:21:35.000 What she had made?
02:21:35.000 I don't know.
02:21:38.000 I don't know. 0.99
02:21:39.000 Anyway, the whole thing's creepy as fuck. 0.99
02:21:41.000 Wild. 0.99
02:21:42.000 And she was hiking in the Angeles National Forest.
02:21:44.000 Yeah.
02:21:45.000 Outside of Pasadena.
02:21:49.000 Hmm.
02:21:50.000 Yeah. 1.00
02:21:51.000 That could actually be a fucking mountain lion. 1.00
02:21:53.000 It could be. 1.00
02:21:54.000 You know? 1.00
02:21:55.000 Or it could be a lady who's working on top secret rocket propulsion fucking metals. 1.00
02:22:00.000 And they're like, this lady's a problem. 1.00
02:22:03.000 Wasn't there some town? 0.98
02:22:05.000 I want to say it's Arcadia in California.
02:22:08.000 The mayor of that city.
02:22:10.000 Yeah.
02:22:10.000 Yeah.
02:22:11.000 Arcadia.
02:22:11.000 Yeah.
02:22:12.000 She was a Chinese spy. 1.00
02:22:13.000 She was a Chinese spy. 1.00
02:22:16.000 I would have to think if you're, how many people have you recruited that you finally go, well, fuck it. 1.00
02:22:23.000 Let's try and get the mayor of Arcadia. 0.99
02:22:24.000 We got everybody else.
02:22:26.000 Yeah.
02:22:26.000 Yeah, they probably like worked her into position to run as mayor, you know?
02:22:31.000 I mean.
02:22:32.000 And then, and then with the hopes of she was relatively young, right? 0.99
02:22:37.000 Maybe you go run for a state rep and then you run for Congress and be the fucking president. 0.98
02:22:43.000 There was a thing in the 70s called ABSCAM. 0.99
02:22:45.000 Do you remember this?
02:22:46.000 Yeah.
02:22:47.000 Where there were all of these politicians, a few congressmen, some state reps, and they were all like, Russian spies, or at least on the take.
02:22:58.000 Right.
02:22:59.000 Right.
02:23:00.000 All of them. 0.53
02:23:01.000 Soviet spies. 0.65
02:23:02.000 Did you ever see that show with the Americans?
02:23:04.000 Uh uh.
02:23:04.000 I didn't either.
02:23:05.000 But I heard it was great. 1.00
02:23:06.000 It was all about sleeper cell Russian family that was pretending to be normal. 1.00
02:23:10.000 Yeah. 1.00
02:23:11.000 That's fascinating.
02:23:12.000 Yeah.
02:23:13.000 They did that.
02:23:13.000 That's real.
02:23:15.000 They really had Russian agents pretending to be American citizens.
02:23:18.000 Oh, I wouldn't say had. 0.91
02:23:20.000 I would say have.
02:23:21.000 No.
02:23:21.000 Oh, yeah.
02:23:22.000 Yeah.
02:23:22.000 I think you're right.
02:23:23.000 And Chinese.
02:23:23.000 Yeah.
02:23:24.000 Yeah.
02:23:24.000 For sure.
02:23:25.000 For sure.
02:23:26.000 100%.
02:23:27.000 Yeah.
02:23:28.000 Plenty of them.
02:23:29.000 100%.
02:23:30.000 Well, how many Israeli agents are in Hezbollah or in Hamas?
02:23:30.000 Yeah.
02:23:34.000 Like, probably.
02:23:35.000 Or in the IRGC?
02:23:36.000 Yeah, probably.
02:23:37.000 They probably got a bunch of those guys in there.
02:23:39.000 100%.
02:23:39.000 Yeah.
02:23:40.000 It's just wild.
02:23:43.000 It's tradecraft, man. 1.00
02:23:44.000 That's a fucking whole other thing. 0.99
02:23:46.000 How hard is it to write about that stuff and, like, get it right to get it accurate? 0.99
02:23:51.000 Yeah.
02:23:52.000 I mean, you.
02:23:55.000 I don't know.
02:23:56.000 You speculate a lot and you look at the past.
02:23:59.000 Because there's been enough.
02:23:59.000 Yeah.
02:23:59.000 Right?
02:24:00.000 It's funny because when they get caught, it's never that big a deal.
02:24:03.000 Like, there are always some.
02:24:06.000 It doesn't.
02:24:08.000 For whatever reason, the news doesn't.
02:24:11.000 We could pull it up. 0.97
02:24:12.000 There's been any number of Chinese scientists over here, and they were stealing this, and they caught them doing this.
02:24:16.000 It happens all the time. 0.93
02:24:18.000 See, the ones that got caught trying to bring in bio.
02:24:20.000 They were trying to bring in.
02:24:22.000 What were they trying to bring in?
02:24:23.000 Diseases or something?
02:24:25.000 Something I was looking.
02:24:26.000 There's another one in Vegas recently, but it's like they have these bio labs that are being run out of an apartment or something.
02:24:33.000 CCP linked bio labs in American soil exposes major biosecurity gaps.
02:24:39.000 Policymakers must act to improve oversight and biological research activity.
02:24:44.000 Wasn't there a guy that got busted that was an Israeli agent and he got released and he took a.
02:24:50.000 That's the one I think was in Vegas.
02:24:51.000 Yeah.
02:24:52.000 That's the one in Vegas. 0.99
02:24:54.000 So this guy, he had all these fucking diseases in his garage. 0.99
02:24:54.000 Yeah. 0.99
02:24:58.000 1,200 samples.
02:25:03.000 Conclusion of the episode.
02:25:04.000 It's the conclusion of the FBI lab that the community could not be harmed by what was contained in that lab.
02:25:09.000 What?
02:25:12.000 Finding possible biological laboratory in a garage.
02:25:15.000 Inside, investigators found refrigerators with vials containing unknown liquids.
02:25:20.000 Police said in the immediate aftermath, the home is also operated as an unlicensed short term rental. 1.00
02:25:29.000 What is this fucking guy doing? 0.99
02:25:31.000 So the question, scroll up. 1.00
02:25:31.000 Why? 1.00
02:25:34.000 Yeah, it says the question is why does somebody have these materials in a private residence?
02:25:38.000 It's not a doctor, not a lab, not a licensed medical facility of any sort.
02:25:42.000 And then Homeboy got released.
02:25:45.000 Yeah, but check out the names on some of the vials.
02:25:47.000 Oh, boy.
02:25:48.000 They located pathogen labeled containers with.
02:25:51.000 Labels such as dengue fever, HIV, and malaria, along with a thousand mice, according to a federal report.
02:25:59.000 The federal government never tested the items, and the CDC only made its determination based on the labeling.
02:26:05.000 What? 0.99
02:26:07.000 What the fuck? 0.99
02:26:10.000 So, in that case, Chinese citizen David He faces federal charges for allegedly manufacturing and distributing misbranded medical devices. 0.99
02:26:21.000 He does not face charges. 0.51
02:26:24.000 He does not face charges connected to the Las Vegas raid.
02:26:27.000 And a trial in California was scheduled for April. 1.00
02:26:31.000 What the fuck? 1.00
02:26:34.000 Just a bunch of vials of HIV and AIDS and fucking dengue fever and malaria. 1.00
02:26:39.000 No worries. 0.99
02:26:40.000 Jesus.
02:26:41.000 Normal. 0.98
02:26:42.000 So, what was the Israeli guy? 0.99
02:26:44.000 The guy who owned the lab.
02:26:46.000 There was like an Israeli guy who they caught and then they released him and he went back to Israel.
02:26:51.000 And everybody's like, hey.
02:26:55.000 What?
02:26:56.000 It's the same case, I think.
02:26:57.000 It says feds drop case against man arrested in Las Vegas biolab investigation.
02:27:02.000 What's his name?
02:27:05.000 Ori Solomon.
02:27:06.000 Oh, Ori.
02:27:07.000 What were you doing?
02:27:08.000 Ori.
02:27:10.000 Why do you have the HIV, Ori?
02:27:10.000 Ori!
02:27:13.000 There he is.
02:27:15.000 Feds drop case against man arrested in Las Vegas biolab investigation.
02:27:19.000 Yeah, I mean, why investigate?
02:27:21.000 Let it go, guys.
02:27:23.000 No big deal.
02:27:24.000 He was only charged with illegal possession of a firearm in Nevada.
02:27:30.000 His immigration status precluded him from owning or possessing a gun. 0.98
02:27:33.000 Well, listen, if he doesn't have a gun, how the fuck is he going to defend all his malaria? 0.98
02:27:37.000 People try to steal malaria, bro. 0.98
02:27:38.000 You've got to be careful.
02:27:42.000 Oh, boy.
02:27:43.000 Yeah, this doesn't.
02:27:44.000 Seems like someone made that go. 0.99
02:27:46.000 There's too much fucking shit in the world to pay attention to, and too much of it is so disheartening. 1.00
02:27:52.000 The more you look into it, the more you're like. 1.00
02:27:55.000 Is it all fucked? 1.00
02:27:56.000 Is the whole world fucked? 1.00
02:27:57.000 Like, what is going on? 0.99
02:28:01.000 And my guess is because there are so many different, two things, right?
02:28:08.000 There's so many different things, there's no secrets with the internet and social media and phones. 0.99
02:28:13.000 Shit's getting out. 0.93
02:28:14.000 But it's also getting out at such a volume that none of it seems to have an impact. 0.99
02:28:19.000 Right.
02:28:20.000 It's just so much.
02:28:20.000 Right.
02:28:22.000 Think about that in the 1990s.
02:28:22.000 Right.
02:28:25.000 Right.
02:28:26.000 They're talking about that on Nightline and this and that and Meet the Press and Chinese spies.
02:28:31.000 This is Israeli, you know? 0.73
02:28:33.000 Uh huh. 1.00
02:28:34.000 That's news.
02:28:35.000 But now it's just another.
02:28:37.000 The news cycles of flood.
02:28:40.000 It's like you drop a rose petal in the river while a flood's going by.
02:28:46.000 It's gone.
02:28:47.000 It's here, it's gone.
02:28:47.000 Yeah.
02:28:48.000 And it's a sensory overload, and people are tuning it all out.
02:28:53.000 They're tuning it all out also because nothing ever gets done.
02:28:55.000 Nothing happens.
02:28:56.000 And the more people like that get released, the more people are like, ah.
02:28:59.000 They throw their hands in there.
02:29:00.000 They'd rather just watch sports.
02:29:02.000 Yeah.
02:29:03.000 Yeah.
02:29:03.000 Just forget about it.
02:29:05.000 Yeah.
02:29:06.000 Wow.
02:29:07.000 I can't believe Simon Susso didn't send you my book.
02:29:09.000 Yeah.
02:29:10.000 Well, I don't know what happened, but I'll listen to it on audio tape.
02:29:14.000 I'm glad you did the audio tape, though.
02:29:15.000 Yeah.
02:29:16.000 Yeah.
02:29:16.000 That's important.
02:29:17.000 Pull up the. 0.98
02:29:18.000 You're going to fucking love it. 0.95
02:29:22.000 It's oddly entertaining and informative. 0.98
02:29:25.000 How did you have the time to write a book?
02:29:27.000 You're writing 150 different TV shows.
02:29:30.000 So you know what it is.
02:29:32.000 Do you know anything about it?
02:29:33.000 No.
02:29:34.000 Pull it up.
02:29:35.000 I'm going to try and.
02:29:36.000 I don't even want to tell you what it's called.
02:29:38.000 I just want you to see the title.
02:29:41.000 How to Not Die in Prison?
02:29:43.000 I told you you don't like it.
02:29:48.000 So here's the deal.
02:29:51.000 So, when I lived in LA, there was a gym on Beverly Boulevard, right at Beverly and Sweetser.
02:29:58.000 And everybody called it Buns on Beverly because they had all the treadmills kind of right up there, and all the girls were there. 0.99
02:30:04.000 And if you get stuck in traffic, you're staring at all their asses. 1.00
02:30:07.000 That was my gym. 0.98
02:30:09.000 So, me and a buddy of mine shared an apartment together, and we jogged down there and worked out every day.
02:30:14.000 And there was this dude that showed up and started working out in there, and this dude was jacked, but different than like the West Hollywood fit. 0.99
02:30:21.000 Like, this fucker was yoked and had all these crazy. 0.99
02:30:25.000 Tattoos on him. 1.00
02:30:27.000 And we became kind of like friendly and ended up kind of becoming friends.
02:30:33.000 And his name's Tom Nelson.
02:30:35.000 And one day I'm like, so what have you been doing?
02:30:37.000 He goes, well, you know, I'm going to start a personal training here.
02:30:40.000 I was working over at the vitamin shop.
02:30:42.000 Guy's like in his 40s.
02:30:44.000 I'm like, vitamin shop in your 40s.
02:30:45.000 That's kind of weird.
02:30:46.000 And I said, yeah.
02:30:48.000 Have you always lived in California?
02:30:51.000 He's like, well, I've been here 19 years, 20 years.
02:30:56.000 Yeah.
02:30:56.000 Yeah.
02:30:57.000 I said, where are you from?
02:30:59.000 Somewhere in the southeast.
02:31:01.000 I said, you always live in LA?
02:31:01.000 He goes, well, no, I just got to LA.
02:31:04.000 See, I've been in prison.
02:31:06.000 I said, oh.
02:31:08.000 How long?
02:31:09.000 17 years.
02:31:10.000 I said, oh.
02:31:11.000 And I didn't ask anything else, right?
02:31:15.000 He does become a personal trainer, and I'd see him over.
02:31:18.000 One day we have lunch and we're bullshitting, and I'm like, tell me the deal. 0.99
02:31:22.000 He's like, oh, I was a fucking criminal, dude. 1.00
02:31:24.000 Like a criminal. 1.00
02:31:25.000 Like a real criminal. 0.99
02:31:26.000 Like biggest drug dealer in. 0.75
02:31:28.000 in Hollywood and armed robbery and ran over a DEA agent. 1.00
02:31:31.000 Like I was a fucking criminal. 0.99
02:31:33.000 But now, you know, when I was in, I discovered, you know, fitness. 0.99
02:31:38.000 I started working out and I'm like, when I get out, I'm going to, you know, he got himself in good shape.
02:31:42.000 I'm going to start.
02:31:43.000 This is my passion.
02:31:44.000 I'm going to do this.
02:31:46.000 So he was a trainer there for a while and then he opened his own personal training gym.
02:31:50.000 And, uh, and I would go work out over there and hang out with him. 0.99
02:31:55.000 He's a cool fucking dude. 0.95
02:31:56.000 And, uh, And it became the biggest private training gym in independent Hollywood. 0.99
02:32:04.000 So I go off and I, you know, I start writing and I'm shooting Yellowstone.
02:32:11.000 And he reaches out and he goes, Hey, I wrote a movie about my life.
02:32:14.000 I'm going to send it to you.
02:32:16.000 So he sends it to me and I read it.
02:32:18.000 And it's actually pretty good.
02:32:20.000 But it's sort of a fun 90s kind of thing.
02:32:22.000 They don't make movies like this anymore. 1.00
02:32:23.000 It's like, it's The Rock, but we're celebrating the guy, the fucking criminal. 0.98
02:32:30.000 I said, hey, I'll pass it on to some producers. 0.99
02:32:30.000 But it was good. 0.99
02:32:32.000 But nothing ever happened with it.
02:32:35.000 Anyway, so COVID happens.
02:32:37.000 I'm stuck up on this ranch in Montana.
02:32:39.000 And I call him and I say, Tom, where do you get your gym equipment from?
02:32:43.000 Because I need to build a gym because we can't go to a gym.
02:32:46.000 I can't leave the ranch. 0.99
02:32:48.000 COVID restrictions, the whole fucking cast is stuck on that ranch. 0.99
02:32:53.000 And he said, they shut my gym down, dude. 0.99
02:32:55.000 So, I mean, I'll sell you anything you want.
02:32:58.000 So I sent a flatbed trailer to LA and picked up a pile of gym equipment from him.
02:33:03.000 And.
02:33:05.000 Didn't hear from him again.
02:33:06.000 He calls me maybe 18 months ago, two years.
02:33:10.000 And I answer, and he's like, hey, man, I'm in a bad way.
02:33:14.000 I'm like, what's the deal? 0.99
02:33:15.000 He goes, fucking, I got a single father. 1.00
02:33:17.000 I got a five-year-old kid. 1.00
02:33:19.000 I got fucking colon cancer. 1.00
02:33:21.000 I'm fucking dying and I don't, I'm, I'm tapped out, dude. 1.00
02:33:24.000 I'm a fucking 60-year-old felon. 1.00
02:33:26.000 I can't get a job. 1.00
02:33:27.000 I can't do anything.
02:33:28.000 Is there any work on your movies or, or anything that I could do?
02:33:33.000 And I said, well, first colon cancer.
02:33:35.000 How bad?
02:33:36.000 Like what stage?
02:33:37.000 What's this?
02:33:38.000 He goes, I don't know.
02:33:38.000 They saw it on an x-ray and diagnosed me.
02:33:41.000 And I said, well, let's deal with that shit first. 0.99
02:33:44.000 So I fly him to Texas, where I, know people, and I get him in and he sees a doctor and fortunately the mass wasn't cancer, so they, they help him out, do the surgery, get that done. 0.99
02:33:55.000 And then I say well, I mean I get you a job in a movie but it doesn't pay very good and the hours are shit and you've got a five year old daughter.
02:34:03.000 I mean, you know, to just be a production assistant or something is not gonna pay enough to off it's. 0.97
02:34:09.000 It's not a great, that's not a plan right, because you think you could like just spot me for a few months while I try and figure shit out.
02:34:17.000 And I said I have 100% failure rate of loaning money to friends.
02:34:22.000 It doesn't work, right? 0.98
02:34:23.000 I'm not a bank and buying you 90 days ain't going to fucking help. 0.89
02:34:27.000 So, but let me think. 0.97
02:34:29.000 Let me think of something.
02:34:30.000 And so it doesn't take me very long.
02:34:35.000 And I'm thinking, here's a guy who spent 17 years in prison.
02:34:39.000 And you know what I've never read? 0.96
02:34:44.000 I've never read a how to not fucking die, a travel guide to prison. 0.93
02:34:50.000 So I call him back and I go, I got it. 0.91
02:34:52.000 Tom, we're going to write a book about my life?
02:34:56.000 We're going to write a travel guide to prison for the accidental inmate, right?
02:34:56.000 Kinda.
02:35:01.000 Somebody who fucks up and they end up and they don't know how to navigate this place. 0.92
02:35:05.000 He goes, a travel guide? 0.97
02:35:06.000 I said, I'm going to send you.
02:35:07.000 So I bought a bunch of Lonely Planet travel guide to Thailand and Mexico.
02:35:11.000 And I said, look at these, right?
02:35:13.000 It tells you an overview of the country.
02:35:13.000 It breaks it down.
02:35:15.000 Then it gives you a glossary of the terms.
02:35:17.000 They teach you the language.
02:35:18.000 They talk about the food.
02:35:20.000 They talk about where you stay.
02:35:21.000 They talk about navigating the country.
02:35:23.000 We're going to do that for prison.
02:35:27.000 And he goes, I'm in.
02:35:28.000 I said, Great.
02:35:29.000 I'm going to write all the intros.
02:35:30.000 I'll build the structure and walk you through it.
02:35:33.000 And you're going to.
02:35:34.000 So it's literally a travel guide to prison. 0.86
02:35:38.000 And it walks you through day one how to navigate the yard being processed in, the food, the commissary, the gangs, the diseases, prison riots, how to get a job in there, how to fucking make a shiv, how to do everything. 0.96
02:35:52.000 Whoa. 0.94
02:35:53.000 It is a tour guide to prison.
02:35:55.000 How many pages?
02:35:56.000 A couple hundred.
02:36:00.000 It sounds awesome.
02:36:01.000 It's the crazy.
02:36:02.000 I hope I never need it.
02:36:04.000 Most people who read it hope they never need it. 0.98
02:36:05.000 I'm going to guess 99% of the people who do read it, the one thing it'll do is tell you, you don't ever want to fucking go there. 0.98
02:36:13.000 That's for sure. 0.98
02:36:14.000 Right.
02:36:15.000 And typically, if someone's going there, I even say in the intro, I'm like, if you're buying this book because you're going to prison, finish the book before you get to prison. 0.99
02:36:23.000 Do not bring this book with you to prison or you'll die on fucking day one. 0.98
02:36:27.000 So leave the book at home. 0.99
02:36:30.000 But yeah.
02:36:31.000 So then we did.
02:36:32.000 I took the book, we wrote three chapters of it.
02:36:35.000 I took it out and Simon Schuster read it, flipped, and me and Tom got a book deal.
02:36:41.000 That's awesome.
02:36:43.000 So he was able to sit with me and we wrote it and he was able to take care of his kid.
02:36:48.000 That's very cool.
02:36:50.000 Good for you, man, for doing that.
02:36:51.000 That's really awesome that you did that. 0.99
02:36:53.000 Because I know you're busy as shit. 0.99
02:36:55.000 You having another project on your plate, not fun, probably. 0.99
02:37:00.000 That's awesome.
02:37:01.000 That one was a lot of fun, right?
02:37:02.000 Yeah, but not fun to take something else on.
02:37:04.000 I mean, I'm sure you.
02:37:06.000 Yeah, but it was a very entertaining diversion from my other job.
02:37:13.000 I can bitch about my other job, right? 0.98
02:37:16.000 Bitch about something on Landman or whatever, and then I'm going to sit down and, oh, we're writing about smallpox today. 0.99
02:37:21.000 Okay. 0.99
02:37:23.000 There's some perspective.
02:37:25.000 It's not quite so bad that Billy Bob is an hour late to work, which he's never an hour late to work, but you get my point.
02:37:32.000 Yeah.
02:37:33.000 Yeah, it's a sobering thing.
02:37:37.000 That's a broken system. 1.00
02:37:38.000 You want to talk about a broken fucking system? 1.00
02:37:40.000 Yeah. 1.00
02:37:41.000 The prison system is.
02:37:44.000 Isn't that the guy who did that documentary on the Alabama prison system? 0.99
02:37:48.000 It's fucking heartbreaking, man. 0.99
02:37:51.000 Heartbreaking. 0.98
02:37:53.000 I used to be roommates with the guy that edited all of those locked ups.
02:37:58.000 He would go and film those locked ups.
02:38:00.000 Remember those?
02:38:01.000 Yeah.
02:38:01.000 Go to Folsom and Corcoran and all these prisons.
02:38:04.000 Just, dude, it's fucking rough. 0.98
02:38:08.000 And not designed to rehabilitate. 0.99
02:38:11.000 It's an institution that guarantees you're a criminal when you come out.
02:38:15.000 That's what you'll be. 1.00
02:38:16.000 If you weren't a criminal when you went in, which you clearly committed a crime and got convicted, but you're going to be a fucking criminal when you come out. 0.98
02:38:24.000 The guys like Tom, who, I mean, there's an 80 something percent recidivism rate in the U.S. 0.99
02:38:31.000 So for a guy to get out of prison and not go back to prison, the odds are fucking four to one against you.
02:38:41.000 Like it's at least, yeah. 0.81
02:38:43.000 It's probably higher than that, right?
02:38:45.000 I think it's 80 something percent, 86 yeah. 1.00
02:38:50.000 Fuck, yeah, it's brutal. 1.00
02:38:53.000 It's brutal. 1.00
02:38:56.000 Well, I'm glad you wrote it.
02:38:57.000 Yeah, I'll read it.
02:38:58.000 I promise.
02:38:59.000 Listen to it.
02:39:00.000 I'll listen to it in the sauna.
02:39:01.000 There you go.
02:39:04.000 Thanks for everything, man.
02:39:05.000 Thanks for all the awesome shows.
02:39:06.000 It's been great watching them, dude.
02:39:07.000 Thanks for watching.
02:39:08.000 You're the man.
02:39:09.000 Yeah, appreciate you.
02:39:10.000 Appreciate the guys.
02:39:11.000 We have time to talk about one more thing, sure.
02:39:14.000 That UFC 250.
02:39:15.000 Oh, man.
02:39:16.000 Yeah.
02:39:17.000 Justin Gauchey, dude.
02:39:19.000 Yeah, I just had him on.
02:39:20.000 I know.
02:39:20.000 Yeah, I know.
02:39:21.000 He's incredible.
02:39:22.000 I saw him.
02:39:23.000 Remember when I bumped into you at that fight in Vegas?
02:39:26.000 That's the first time I'd seen him live.
02:39:28.000 And I go to a bunch of prize fights.
02:39:29.000 I love boxing.
02:39:30.000 And I'm watching that guy.
02:39:32.000 If he had decided to be a professional boxer, his striking is that level.
02:39:39.000 Like that dude, he went to work on that guy.
02:39:43.000 Yeah.
02:39:44.000 Now, he's a man.
02:39:46.000 I'm glad he's an MMA fighter because he started out as an all American wrestler in Division I. He's like very, he's just a great athlete all across the board.
02:39:56.000 And just his particular style of aggression is so well suited for MMA.
02:40:02.000 It's just shocking that he's that good a striker and he was a wrestler.
02:40:02.000 Oh, yeah.
02:40:07.000 I know. 1.00
02:40:09.000 He's just a wild motherfucker across the board. 1.00
02:40:12.000 But for him to pull that off the way he did at the White House was nuts. 1.00
02:40:16.000 I mean, some books had him a 6 1 underdog. 0.97
02:40:20.000 And Ilya Tapora is so fucking good. 0.97
02:40:23.000 Yeah. 0.96
02:40:24.000 He's so good.
02:40:25.000 And he had him in sick trouble in that second round.
02:40:28.000 I watched it again yesterday.
02:40:30.000 The second round was brutal.
02:40:31.000 I mean, Ilya was just destroying his liver.
02:40:34.000 Yeah.
02:40:34.000 Almost put him down.
02:40:35.000 Yeah.
02:40:36.000 But even in the second round, Justin still bloodied Ilya up.
02:40:40.000 His face was busted up.
02:40:41.000 Like, he was getting the most damage to Ilya's face.
02:40:44.000 And that was a giant factor in the fight.
02:40:47.000 Because I don't know what the accuracy of these reports are, but what's being reported is that he had.
02:40:53.000 Two broken orbital bones and a broken nose.
02:40:57.000 So both his eyes were broken and his nose was broken.
02:41:00.000 And Justin was here a couple days later and he looked great.
02:41:04.000 It's just nuts.
02:41:05.000 It's just like he's very deceptively good at rolling with shots. 0.98
02:41:10.000 And, you know, he's fucking durable as hell and just very clever. 0.94
02:41:15.000 Very clever in how he sets things up and where he finds openings. 0.98
02:41:19.000 And one of the things he kept getting off is this he does it like he does a collar tie into an uppercut.
02:41:24.000 And he got that off multiple shots.
02:41:27.000 He did that with Fazive too.
02:41:28.000 He's really good with that move. 0.89
02:41:30.000 He's a beast, man.
02:41:31.000 I'm just so happy for him to win.
02:41:33.000 I'm, you know, I'm a giant.
02:41:35.000 Iliot Taporia fan as well, and I think he'll be back better than ever.
02:41:39.000 And I think sometimes a loss is like one of the most important things a fighter can ever have because they realize like you can be beat, and you need to know that you're a human.
02:41:48.000 You need to know that you can't just throw caution to the wind sometimes and just engage in these wild scraps.
02:41:54.000 Sometimes you have to be a little bit more tactical, and sometimes you got to realize like you can't take everybody out.
02:42:01.000 And that's the case with Justin, they couldn't take him out, and he almost did in the second round, got real fucking close, real close. 0.86
02:42:08.000 But You know, that freaking Justin, he can time that transfer of power to right at the end of the punch. 0.91
02:42:17.000 And just his hands are so heavy. 0.88
02:42:19.000 Yeah, everybody says that too.
02:42:21.000 Everybody who he's fought has said he's one of the hardest guys that's ever hit them, including Khabib, who's one of the all time greats.
02:42:28.000 He said Justin hit him harder than anybody. 1.00
02:42:30.000 Yeah, he's a fucking animal. 1.00
02:42:32.000 Yeah, it was impressive. 1.00
02:42:33.000 And the fight was like to be there at the White House while that was going on and to have Justin so happy.
02:42:39.000 Like, there's something about a guy winning who's an underdog that is just so fucking inspiring.
02:42:44.000 He didn't look like an underdog that night. 0.78
02:42:46.000 No, he did.
02:42:46.000 Not after the second round, he didn't.
02:42:48.000 Especially the third.
02:42:49.000 Once the third rolled around, he dropped him.
02:42:51.000 And then he got a head and arm and snatched him down to the ground. 0.99
02:42:55.000 I was like, holy shit, man. 1.00
02:42:58.000 He's fucking dominating him. 1.00
02:42:59.000 This is crazy. 1.00
02:43:00.000 It was wild.
02:43:01.000 Wild to watch.
02:43:02.000 It was wild.
02:43:03.000 It was awesome, though.
02:43:04.000 It was fantastic.
02:43:05.000 Should have been there live.
02:43:06.000 Man, that would have been a good one.
02:43:07.000 Oh, it was crazy.
02:43:08.000 It was crazy to be there live.
02:43:09.000 It just felt surreal.
02:43:10.000 I mean, they had a flyover.
02:43:12.000 They all just got together.
02:43:13.000 Yeah, I saw that.
02:43:13.000 Eight jets come shooting over.
02:43:15.000 Bro, they were like separated by like.
02:43:17.000 That far from each other. 0.99
02:43:18.000 I don't know how the fuck those guys do that. 0.99
02:43:20.000 It was incredible. 0.99
02:43:21.000 Incredible.
02:43:21.000 Incredible.
02:43:22.000 Yeah.
02:43:23.000 That was awesome.
02:43:24.000 Thanks, brother.
02:43:24.000 Once again, the book is called How to Not Die in Prison.
02:43:27.000 Yeah.
02:43:28.000 And available now.
02:43:28.000 Audiobook, everything.
02:43:29.000 Thank you.
02:43:29.000 Yep.
02:43:30.000 Thank you.
02:43:30.000 Awesome, buddy.
02:43:32.000 Bye, everybody.