The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2524 - Rupert Lowe

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00:00:09.000 Thank you for being here.

00:00:12.000 Really appreciate it.

00:00:13.000 No, it's my pleasure.

00:00:14.000 And thank you to Brett Weinstein, Jordan Peterson, and Elon Musk for helping connect us.

00:00:20.000 They're very, very successful.

00:00:21.000 We are going to see Elon on Sunday.

00:00:22.000 So he's been an incredible support for us.

00:00:25.000 So I don't know how you want to play the game.

00:00:25.000 Yeah.

00:00:27.000 I'm totally in your hands.

00:00:29.000 I'll follow your lead.

00:00:31.000 But I mean, he's been helping us because Britain's in bad shape.

00:00:33.000 Yeah, and that's why you're here.

00:00:35.000 This is what we're talking about.

00:00:37.000 Well, the rape gang, we've done, we've crowdfunded this, which I'm very happy to talk to you about.

00:00:45.000 Just this title of that, Rape Gang Report - the idea that there's actual rape gangs in the UK in 2026, and is it being ignored?

00:00:57.000 Is it being downplayed?

00:00:59.000 How is it being received by the media and by the politicians over there?

00:01:04.000 As you probably know, Britain, after the war, decided they were going to play a part in Europe, a bigger part in Europe.

00:01:15.000 Well, our elite did, the British elite.

00:01:17.000 And to do that, they had to basically diminish the power of the nation state and they had to head towards this European super state, which is the EU, the genesis of which was obviously a monopoly.

00:01:28.000 Why did they have to diminish the power of the nation to do that?

00:01:31.000 Because I think Britain was a proud nation state.

00:01:34.000 With the American help, we'd won the war and we hadn't been.

00:01:39.000 Invaded or conquered, which most of Europe had been.

00:01:42.000 So you'd had mass dislocation in Europe.

00:01:44.000 Huge numbers of people had been dislocated and pushed all over Europe.

00:01:49.000 And I think the socialists, I was in the European Parliament, so I spent a brief time as an MEP, a member of the European Parliament, when we finally achieved, well, a kind of Brexit.

00:02:03.000 We can talk about that, but it wasn't a proper Brexit. 0.89

00:02:05.000 So I think the genesis of the rape gangs, going back to this, was the fact that multiculturalism. 0.98

00:02:11.000 Was the order of the day.

00:02:14.000 They wanted open borders.

00:02:15.000 They wanted a multicultural society.

00:02:16.000 They basically felt the nation state had been the cause of world wars, effectively starting with Napoleon.

00:02:25.000 Then obviously we had the Kaiser.

00:02:27.000 Then we had Hitler. 0.57

00:02:28.000 And I think they saw it that way the Monets, the Spinellis, and the people who constructed the European Union.

00:02:35.000 So to the rape gang report, which was your question, ultimately the genesis of that is this multicultural.

00:02:42.000 is this multicultural invasion almost of Europe.

00:02:47.000 Can I pause you for a second?

00:02:48.000 for a second so what you think is that the multicultural invasion the way the way it was set up was on purpose and it was on purpose to sort of diminish the idea of nationalism yes i think that that well i'm and so this was like a long plan so this was something that they must have had to sit down and like who would be involved in this sort of a discussion where you would be willing to diminish patriotism diminish you Britain by itself is exceptional and the people are exceptional.

00:03:18.000 It was a long, deceitful plan. 0.73

00:03:20.000 So I always say who implemented it?

00:03:23.000 The European elites in league with our elite, who effectively, if you remember in 1975, we joined what was called the European Economic Community.

00:03:33.000 It wasn't effectively anything other than an economic union.

00:03:39.000 But that very quickly changed and effectively they tried to politically integrate Europe.

00:03:45.000 That failed, and then in 1997 they tried to force it through with the introduction of the euro.

00:03:53.000 So, having failed politically, they tried to do it financially.

00:03:55.000 Financially, that was my first foray into standing as a member of parliament to fight to save the British pound.

00:04:03.000 Because once you lose your currency, effectively, you lose your sovereignty and your national identity.

00:04:09.000 And our gold reserves were going to be shipped out to Germany, to Frankfurt.

00:04:14.000 And we would have become a vassal, say, part of the European Union.

00:04:17.000 It would have been irreversible.

00:04:18.000 But in the event, we, thanks to Sir James Goldsmith, we secured enough votes, we forced the establishment.

00:04:25.000 To promise a referendum before they surrendered to the euro.

00:04:30.000 And we ended up saving the pound, which in the end resulted in the referendum in 2016, where the British people voted to take back their sovereignty, which ultimately, I think the establishment always knew that the core, the body of Britain, or the body of England in particular, wanted its own accountable parliament in Westminster.

00:04:48.000 It didn't want to be part of an unaccountable European socialist protectionist super state.

00:04:56.000 Quote unquote elites in Britain and the elites in the United States, it's coordinated with both of them.

00:05:03.000 I think less so in America, Joe.

00:05:06.000 I can't speak for America, although when you look at what the Democrats did with USAID and all the stuff that was going on under Joe Biden, you have to wonder whether they began with the World Economic Forum to play a part in this.

00:05:18.000 But I think the post war plan for Europe was founded on a socialist principle, whereas I think America has always been a A very sound politically based structure based on obviously, you know, the founding fathers and your constitution, which I always think returns power to the individual and has always understood that the dangers are statist dangers, not individual dangers.

00:05:44.000 So I'm very much in the camp, I like the individual and a minimal state.

00:05:50.000 And I think that's much more in your DNA than it is in the European DNA, which tends to be more statist.

00:05:57.000 Right.

00:05:58.000 So they did this on purpose and they brought in people from what country specifically?

00:06:05.000 Well, initially, you got in Britain, you got people from Africa. 0.85

00:06:10.000 You got the Windrush generation. 1.00

00:06:12.000 So you got a lot of Africans came, ostensibly to fill jobs that they always say the British people don't want to do. 0.96

00:06:21.000 And it gathered momentum. 1.00

00:06:23.000 It was relatively slow to start with.

00:06:27.000 an influx of people coming to the UK, you had open borders in Europe.

00:06:31.000 So one of the absolute embedded rules they have is this freedom of movement concept.

00:06:37.000 So they don't have effectively national borders.

00:06:41.000 But we still obviously had the channel, but we embraced this and we started this immigration.

00:06:49.000 What happened is it gradually happened, and I think these rape gangs have been going on, or we know they have for 30, 40, probably 50 years, to a lesser extent.

00:06:59.000 But when Tony Blair got in and he undermined a lot of constitutional sort of historical law, you got an acceleration of immigration from other parts of the world, not just from Europe, but also from other countries, South Asian countries in particular, who came to the UK.

00:07:21.000 And the genesis of the rape gangs really is, I think, the cultural oil and water mix of these people coming from what I call clannish societies.

00:07:33.000 In South Asia, and coming to very high trust societies such as the one we had and the one you have here, which have taken thousands of years to develop. 0.86

00:07:43.000 So they're high trust societies where, and you know, Lee Kuan Yew based Singapore on post war Britain, where you had honesty boxes for newspapers in London.

00:07:54.000 And you had a country that was completely at peace with itself.

00:07:57.000 So it won the war, it respected peace, it respected freedom.

00:08:01.000 And people were building, rebuilding their lives, having fought a second world war to free Europe from sort of, in this case, Germany.

00:08:11.000 Previously, we'd done it at Waterloo when we relieved Europe of.

00:08:14.000 Of the French with Napoleon.

00:08:16.000 So it really accelerated after 97 when a lot of the legislation that Tony Blair and his cohorts passed, such as the Human Rights Act, which embeds within it the ECHR, he created the Supreme Court, they passed laws like the Equalities Act, and there are a raft of other legal acts they passed which effectively empowered a multicultural society, which in some ways, I think, damaged the interests of.

00:08:47.000 Of the British people. 0.58

00:08:47.000 And you think this is on purpose. 0.58

00:08:49.000 And this is my point what is the benefit for them to be joined up with the rest of Europe?

00:08:56.000 Is it just purely financial?

00:08:57.000 Is it a power based strategy where if you can diminish the quality of life for people and institute more laws and put more restrictions on them, you can control them easier and it's less pushback for the politicians, politicians, less pushback for the people that are in charge?

00:09:15.000 Basically, I think it's the age old battle between individualism and collectivism.

00:09:20.000 So, I think the EU is a collectivist construct.

00:09:25.000 Whereas I think Britain, as it was under our Constitution and our Bill of Rights, which, as you probably know, our Bill of Rights in 1689, a lot of that was lifted by your founding fathers who embedded it within the US Constitution.

00:09:41.000 So, and that embeds freedom of speech, it embeds the individual, it embeds all of the rights that I think make the Anglo Saxon world.

00:09:52.000 So, how did it deteriorate to the point where they're arresting 12,000 people a year for social media posts?

00:09:59.000 It's, Joe, it's shocking.

00:10:00.000 And this is why I have got involved in politics.

00:10:04.000 I've been involved in politics since I fought the Maastricht Treaty and then stood, as I said, in 97.

00:10:08.000 I did a lot for business for Sterling, a lot for vote leave.

00:10:11.000 Then I stood for the Brexit Party and I was elected there.

00:10:14.000 So, I've been fighting this march towards an unaccountable state which effectively rewards collectivism and punishes individualism.

00:10:23.000 To the extent that now I find myself at the age of 68 as an MP running a party called Restore Britain to try and reverse this tide, to re empower the individual, to return to our original constitution, and to protect the interests above all else of the British people to whom I think government should be accountable.

00:10:46.000 Do they still have that kind of unchecked immigration? 0.92

00:10:48.000 Is it currently ongoing?

00:10:49.000 We still have illegal migrants arriving by boat. 0.98

00:10:53.000 They can't be under the current Laws and treaties that we're part of. 0.97

00:10:58.000 They're not being deported. 0.71

00:11:00.000 The judges, thanks to the creation of the Supreme Court, they are now a quango, a woke quango. 0.90

00:11:07.000 I think a lot of our judiciary is corrupt. 0.94

00:11:10.000 So, the answer to your question is we still have illegal migration and we have people living in Britain illegally. 0.98

00:11:17.000 We have a lot of foreign prisons in our prisons and we have people who've come in under various waves of immigration, one of which The biggest of which was probably under Boris Johnson, who was actually a Conservative Prime Minister, who allowed thousands, hundreds of thousands of people to come into Britain.

00:11:38.000 Britain. 1.00

00:11:40.000 And basically, they are now a burden to the British taxpayer. 1.00

00:11:45.000 So, the answer to your question is they're arriving illegally still. 0.97

00:11:47.000 They're living here illegally or living in Britain illegally still. 0.98

00:11:51.000 We've got foreign criminals in our prisons and we've still got the legacy of this huge amount of immigration which took place. 0.94

00:11:59.000 And are a large percentage of these people receiving welfare from the British government? 0.98

00:12:04.000 What percentage?

00:12:04.000 Yes.

00:12:06.000 Well, most of the people who arrive, they're all supported by.

00:12:09.000 I mean, they're put in the hotel.

00:12:11.000 So, immediately, as soon as you get there?

00:12:12.000 In Parliament, I see the contracts, thanks to my parliamentary questions.

00:12:16.000 I'm allowed to ask questions and scrutinise the contracts for, for instance, the Bibi Stockholm, it was a boat which cost the British taxpayer £1.5 billion.

00:12:26.000 It's actually now lying redundant and not being used. 0.97

00:12:31.000 But I've seen the contracts for these illegal migrants in terms of the laundry services they get, in terms of the taxi services they get, in terms of the food they require. 1.00

00:12:43.000 I mean, literally, it is like staying in a very comfortable hotel. 0.99

00:12:48.000 And we've now got these people being settled all across our country.

00:12:52.000 How many?

00:12:53.000 In hotels.

00:12:54.000 Well, I don't think the government knows, Joe, the answer to your question.

00:12:57.000 I don't think they know how many people are living in Britain illegally.

00:13:00.000 Was it the similar situation that America had over the last four years where on the low number, they think it was 10 million people came in, which is insane.

00:13:08.000 It's an insane amount of people to come in in four years. 0.90

00:13:11.000 There's enough work to do initially to detain and deport people who are arriving illegally. 0.97

00:13:17.000 I mean, to my mind, illegal means illegal. 0.97

00:13:19.000 So it's fairly straightforward. 1.00

00:13:21.000 To the people who are arriving illegally, people living here illegally, the foreign criminals, there's plenty of work to do to remove them from Britain. 1.00

00:13:31.000 And then I think we need to turn our attention, and that's in our mass deportation document. 1.00

00:13:35.000 I've given you a copy of that, which effectively sets out the constitutional reasons why we have a problem, how we correct those constitutional issues, and how we then practically. 0.99

00:13:46.000 Detain and deport the people who aren't supposed to be here. 0.98

00:13:50.000 And once we've done that, we will then turn our attention to people who are living in Britain, to your point, who are on welfare, who are going to cost the taxpayer a fortune for the rest of their lives, probably, who aren't working, who are culturally different to us, who have a different view of their religion to the Christian religion, and are increasingly living in small groups of people who haven't integrated, who are living under Sharia law and who have their own courts. 0.99

00:14:19.000 They have their own courts. 0.56

00:14:21.000 They have their own courts, Sharia courts, yes.

00:14:23.000 A parallel legal system.

00:14:25.000 Okay, so it's an unrecognized by the British government parallel legal system that exists inside of England.

00:14:31.000 It's tolerated.

00:14:32.000 Tolerated.

00:14:32.000 It's tolerated.

00:14:33.000 So they're aware of it.

00:14:35.000 Yes.

00:14:35.000 And they're aware of the punishments that this court dishes out?

00:14:38.000 It's rather like they're policing their own people under their own laws.

00:14:42.000 And they're just allowing that?

00:14:43.000 They're allowing that, yeah.

00:14:45.000 Whoa.

00:14:46.000 Now, I believe, I don't know about you, but I believe if you come to our country, you should live under our laws.

00:14:52.000 Well, yeah. 0.98

00:14:53.000 I mean, the idea of.

00:14:54.000 Well, the United States in particular is a melting pot.

00:14:58.000 People come from all over the place, and it's one of the cool things that there's all these different cultures.

00:15:03.000 But there are certain cultures that if you allow them to come into your community and then they institute the laws of the country where they came from, you're going to have a real problem.

00:15:14.000 They don't live the way you live. 0.99

00:15:17.000 They don't have the same respect for women that you have. 0.98

00:15:20.000 They don't treat them the same way.

00:15:22.000 They don't allow dogs.

00:15:23.000 There's a lot of like That's right.

00:15:25.000 Stuff that a lot of people might not even be aware that comes with that problem.

00:15:30.000 That problem.

00:15:31.000 It's like the idea is supposed to be that Western society is inclusive and progressive because we're intelligent and educated and we care.

00:15:41.000 But you can care so much that you let in criminals and then you give those criminals all your money and then the criminals can take over your country slowly but surely.

00:15:52.000 No one thinks that's a possible thing.

00:15:56.000 People look at the Colosseum, they look at ancient Greece and they think, wow, I wonder what happened to those guys.

00:16:01.000 What do you think happened? 0.99

00:16:02.000 Probably the same shit that's happening right now to England, the same shit that could have happened to America. 1.00

00:16:09.000 Civilizations fall apart for various reasons. 0.99

00:16:12.000 And one great way to get them to fall apart is to bring in a bunch of people and they don't have to follow your laws and they bring the laws of wherever they're from, whatever fundamentalist religion country they're from, where they have a bunch of crazy laws that are kind of archaic. 0.91

00:16:31.000 Well, this is Sharia law, Islamic law, as you probably know. 0.70

00:16:34.000 I mean, again, to your point.

00:16:35.000 I think the best example I can give people of what happens if you do that is when Lebanon got its independence in 1948, they were a Christian country and they were a very confident country.

00:16:51.000 They had the best universities.

00:16:54.000 They had a very open society.

00:16:56.000 I never went to Beirut.

00:16:58.000 I don't know if you went to Beirut, but Beirut in the 60s was meant to be the best place on earth to be.

00:17:02.000 Great wine, freedom, very enlightened.

00:17:07.000 It was a great, lots of people were there.

00:17:11.000 The minute that the Muslim population went over about 15%, you started to get a problem with a civil war.

00:17:19.000 You've got the Druze and Maronite Christians in a civil war with the Muslims. 0.85

00:17:24.000 And now Lebanon is a Muslim country. 0.91

00:17:28.000 And Hezbollah, backed by Iran, is effectively running the show. 1.00

00:17:33.000 So, to your point, I couldn't agree more. 0.89

00:17:36.000 And the rape gang report, which we've written, Was crowdfunded by 20,000 concerned English people who we raised not a huge amount of money, we raised about £600,000 in varying quantities people gave, and we did it because the government will not have a statutory inquiry. 0.64

00:17:57.000 So our government, and particularly the Labour Party, have been presiding over this because it goes to the Muslim bloc vote.

00:18:05.000 So we have in the UK a system of postal voting, and in a lot of the inner cities and the places where these Islamic populations live, they are or have historically voted Labour. 0.82

00:18:18.000 That's beginning to change.

00:18:19.000 They're beginning to vote for Muslim independence now, and I sit with some of them at the back of Parliament.

00:18:23.000 So, effectively, this inquiry we did, we set out with a completely unbiased view of what we would find, and we did it because we were pushing the government to have a statutory inquiry.

00:18:41.000 And a lot of The reason I got involved in it was I think it was Elon Musk who triggered it.

00:18:49.000 He talked about it because a lot of people in the UK, I don't think, know the extent to which this has been happening and the length of time it's been happening for.

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00:19:56.000 Why is that?

00:19:57.000 Is that a failure of your media?

00:19:59.000 Is it a failure of the politicians?

00:20:01.000 Why don't people know about this?

00:20:02.000 It's a total failure of the media because the media are supposed to be an independent body that holds to account failures of the state.

00:20:09.000 It's basically because this block vote through the postal voting system, which needs to be changed, is effectively or has been keeping the Labour Party in power.

00:20:24.000 They've put power ahead of principle.

00:20:26.000 And in the report, we cover this.

00:20:30.000 We've covered the reasons why it's so serious.

00:20:32.000 And to your point, we even cover, as you quite rightly say, the fact that dogs are not liked by the Islamic faith, largely because Muhammad liked cats, he didn't like dogs.

00:20:44.000 And what we wanted to do was interview victims, which we did.

00:20:49.000 We did it properly.

00:20:50.000 It took us over a year.

00:20:52.000 We had a rape gang victim, Sammy Woodhouse, who led it. 0.99

00:20:57.000 She's got a child by her rapist.

00:20:58.000 And we had a team of people, and we literally produced the witness bundles, and we listened to the witnesses, and then we had a two-week hearing in London where people gave evidence, and we had a proper barrister who effectively presided over it and then helped us write the report.

00:21:20.000 It's effectively Graham Smith, the barrister, did a fantastic job.

00:21:24.000 And we didn't start out with any preconceived ideas.

00:21:27.000 It started because we read some court transcripts of some of the people who'd been found guilty of of this, which the government, by the way, has tried to keep quiet.

00:21:35.000 Some of the historical court transcripts disappear.

00:21:40.000 So we've been calling for these transcripts to be kept now.

00:21:45.000 We've actually tried to make a noise about that.

00:21:48.000 And the more we read this and the more we carried on with the rape gang inquiry, the more it became clear to us that obviously there's a link between this power.

00:22:02.000 And the abuse and grooming, and if you like, damage that was done to white working class English girls.

00:22:12.000 And it does go, and in the report, we've looked at the reasons why, to your point, there is a cultural difference of opinion between an open, high trust Christian view of women, particularly, and the Islamic view of women, which is all in the report.

00:22:29.000 So, for instance, as you probably know, if a woman. accuses somebody of rape.

00:22:36.000 And a lot of these Muslims come from Pakistan, Joe. 0.99

00:22:39.000 They're predominantly Pakistan, and they're predominantly from one part of Pakistan called Mirpur. 0.98

00:22:44.000 There are some from Bangladesh, there are some from Somalia, there are some from Eritrea, there are other Muslim countries that perpetrate some of this. 0.93

00:22:55.000 And of course there are white people who perpetrate rape as well, but nothing on the scale of this. 0.97

00:23:00.000 This is quite horrific. 0.96

00:23:02.000 Our report has effectively uncovered this.

00:23:07.000 I think we've played a part with this report in the government saying that they're going to have now a statutory inquiry because we didn't have any statutory powers to be able to force people to appear at our hearing.

00:23:19.000 They all appeared voluntarily.

00:23:20.000 Voluntarily.

00:23:21.000 The government can actually force people legally to appear.

00:23:23.000 They can actually make it a legal requirement that people attend.

00:23:28.000 We couldn't do that.

00:23:30.000 But there had been reports in the past.

00:23:34.000 There was the Jay report in 2014, and there's been the Casey report, all of which confirmed that this was happening.

00:23:43.000 And the state still continued to try and pretend it was just happening in a small number of siloed areas where you obviously had a high Islamic population.

00:23:55.000 The state has equally failed to collect data on the crimes that are perpetrated, so the ethnicity of the people who are perpetrating the crimes.

00:24:03.000 And from there, you can extrapolate once you've got the data as to whether or not you've got an extraordinary problem in one particular section of society.

00:24:13.000 And again, using my parliamentary questions, I've been forcing as much disclosure as I can get.

00:24:18.000 And this is how we've discovered that a lot of the data that should be being collected, by the police particularly, By the National Health Service, by social services.

00:24:26.000 A lot of the data has not been properly collected, possibly because the state does, I think, know that this is happening, but they don't want to admit that their multicultural experiment, which, as you probably know, famously Enoch Powell warned would fail with his speech, the Rivers of Blood speech, for which he was heavily criticised.

00:24:49.000 So I think they do know, but they don't want to admit it.

00:24:53.000 They don't want to be called racist.

00:24:55.000 They don't want to.

00:24:57.000 And this has permeated the whole of British society since Tony Blair.

00:25:00.000 People are frightened to be accused of effectively being biased and white.

00:25:08.000 And we're taught about things, as you probably, I don't know whether you have it here, unconscious bias and all of the other sort of what I call woke, DEI driven rubbish, which has permeated Britain in the same way.

00:25:20.000 I think it may have originally come from you guys, but it's certainly had a huge effect on us.

00:25:27.000 I think it had a great grip on us for a few years and it's lessened its hold.

00:25:32.000 Well, thanks to the Donald.

00:25:33.000 Yeah.

00:25:34.000 Yeah, that helped a lot.

00:25:35.000 I think a big part of it was Elon buying Twitter, where you got legitimate free speech, which is again back to this 12,000 people getting arrested each year for social media posts recently.

00:25:45.000 How is that tolerated?

00:25:49.000 I just don't understand how people are I was about to say up in arms, but that's also part of the problem is that no one's armed over there.

00:25:57.000 We are, well, I have actually got some guns, Joe, because I have a farm.

00:26:02.000 So when you come to the UK, I hope you'll come and shoot some pheasants with me.

00:26:05.000 But tell me. 0.97

00:26:05.000 Oh. 0.97

00:26:07.000 But if you don't have a farm.

00:26:08.000 Well, if you don't have a farm, you'll find it very difficult to get a gun of any kind.

00:26:13.000 And even if you have a farm.

00:26:14.000 So Reform tried to politically assassinate me in 25, early 25, and made false accusations about me threatening to hit one of the Zia Yusuf in a meeting.

00:26:28.000 And somebody was saying, I went around Parliament saying I was a very good shot and I was going to shoot.

00:26:31.000 Zia Youssef, I mean, if you believe that, I've got a completely clean record.

00:26:35.000 I employ lots of people, I have lots of businesses, and I've never had an issue.

00:26:39.000 But listen, four armed police turned up, took all my guns away.

00:26:43.000 I mean, and I'm a member of parliament.

00:26:45.000 I said to them, guys, you could have just called me up and we could have talked about it, but no.

00:26:48.000 They turned up.

00:26:48.000 Wow.

00:26:49.000 Just from an accusation.

00:26:51.000 9 30 at night, left at quarter to 12.

00:26:55.000 To 12, we got them on the cameras.

00:26:58.000 Took all my guns, all my ammo, and it took me five or six months to get them all back.

00:27:05.000 But look, so they don't want the public to have guns, and they are doing their very best to damage the shooters who perfectly legitimately like to go and shoot clay pigeons, who like to go and shoot game, who like to go and hunt.

00:27:24.000 Effectively, they are trying to make that very difficult through the licensing laws for guns.

00:27:30.000 As you probably know, they banned handguns.

00:27:32.000 The 90s, right?

00:27:33.000 In the late 90s because there was a murder up in Dunblane.

00:27:37.000 One murder.

00:27:38.000 One murder.

00:27:39.000 So everybody, my father used to shoot pistols for Oxford University and he had, he's dead now, bless him, but he had all his pistols taken away, the guns, the pistols he used to shoot with at Oxford University.

00:27:50.000 I mean, we now have a society which needs radical change and we need to release the individual.

00:27:59.000 And to your point on social media posts, there was a, A lovely lady, Lucy Conley, who was locked up for something, for 32 months, for just a very emotional social media post, which she deleted after four hours, about the Southport killings, where this chap, Axel Rudikabana, went and knifed three young girls and killed them.

00:28:24.000 Despite the fact that the British state, through Prevent, was aware of this, and we've had a similar case recently with Henry Novak, Again, it was actually, I think, on this occasion, a Sikh stabbed him.

00:28:38.000 And the police, despite the fact when they arrived at the scene, he told them he'd been stabbed, the police didn't believe him and they tried to handcuff him.

00:28:48.000 And as a result of that, it's arguable that they opened up the wound, the stab wound, and he drowned in his own blood.

00:28:55.000 Meanwhile, his murderer was never handcuffed.

00:29:00.000 So this is where the British state's gone completely wrong.

00:29:03.000 So instead of.

00:29:05.000 One law for everybody and one policing for everybody.

00:29:10.000 This sort of view that the white population is racist, which I don't personally believe them to be, I think Britain is a very tolerant country.

00:29:19.000 Do you think that this perspective that society sort of adopted in the UK about white people being bad, do you think this was – there was architecture to it?

00:29:33.000 This was by design?

00:29:34.000 That this was done?

00:29:35.000 Or is this just a natural.

00:29:38.000 Response to people being called racist?

00:29:40.000 Because of course, in the past, there was more racism than there is today, and people always want to point to that racism as evidence of colonialism, evidence of whatever it is that happened in days past.

00:29:53.000 But why in England do you think that narrative took hold so well?

00:29:59.000 Because I think, Joe, to your point, that this post war plan for multiculturalism, I think they realized that they've got a problem.

00:30:08.000 So part of it was probably infiltrating the universities and promoting these kind of ideas. 0.72

00:30:15.000 It's almost as if with the World Economic Forum, there's this view that the Anglo-Saxon nations have commanded and dominated too much of the world's resources.

00:30:26.000 And there's almost like this misguided altruistic view that we should become more concerned with global welfare rather than the welfare of our own citizens, which I totally disagree with.

00:30:39.000 Well, there's also the You Will Own Nothing and You Will Be Happy.

00:30:42.000 This is your Klaus Schwab book.

00:30:44.000 Which is hilarious.

00:30:45.000 And someone would even say that out loud.

00:30:48.000 I know.

00:30:48.000 You Own Nothing and You Will Be Happy.

00:30:50.000 Will be happy.

00:30:51.000 Like, is this a part of an Orwell book?

00:30:55.000 Because this doesn't seem like a real person would say something like that. 0.99

00:30:57.000 Because who the fuck is going to listen to that? 0.99

00:30:59.000 It doesn't make any sense. 0.99

00:31:01.000 Well, George Orwell has been rather accurate in some ways.

00:31:04.000 He was actually pretty optimistic.

00:31:04.000 He's dead on.

00:31:06.000 Like, his version of the world was, you know, a little bit more palatable than what we're dealing with right now.

00:31:12.000 Interesting man, old Etonian, fought in the Spanish Civil War.

00:31:16.000 I mean, he was a very quirky Englishman who clearly had a hugely prescient foresight.

00:31:24.000 And I think.

00:31:25.000 Probably like, certainly like me, he had a healthy disrespect for what I call collectivist statism.

00:31:33.000 And he was very much an individual and a believer in the individual.

00:31:38.000 It's really interesting because when I first read that book, it was in high school.

00:31:42.000 And I kept thinking, like, what a crazy world this had never happened.

00:31:46.000 This is not even possible.

00:31:47.000 But what a crazy world this guy's created in his imagination of things going completely haywire.

00:31:53.000 And then you realize as time goes on, oh, that's totally possible. 0.94

00:31:56.000 It's totally possible that things can get that ridiculous.

00:31:59.000 I mean, when you're dealing with, you know, male, biologically male athletes that compete against women because they identify as a woman and use women's locker rooms, all the craziness that we deal with today, the open border situation, no one's illegal on stolen land. 1.00

00:32:14.000 Hey, fuck off. 1.00

00:32:15.000 Like, what are we doing? 1.00

00:32:17.000 Like, what is this?

00:32:19.000 Well, it's almost as if we're subverting all the things that made us great.

00:32:24.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:32:24.000 And, you know, there's nothing wrong with immigration, but it's probably a good idea to make sure someone's on a fucking murderer before you let them in. 1.00

00:32:32.000 Like the idea that there should be no border at all is like if the world was perfect, that sounds wonderful. 0.78

00:32:40.000 If the world was perfect, everybody paid their taxes and everybody followed the laws, why have borders?

00:32:45.000 Clearly, it's not perfect. 1.00

00:32:47.000 You know, go to Pakistan, go to Karachi, go hang out, go down the street as a woman in a miniskirt and see how that works out. 1.00

00:32:56.000 Go to someplace to find a border. 0.99

00:32:57.000 Again, Joe, this is you're quite right. 0.94

00:32:59.000 This is, I mean, Pakistan is, I think, the example of a rogue state, basically. 0.92

00:33:04.000 And I. 0.98

00:33:06.000 I think their view of, as you say, women who dress in ways other than the ways of Sharia, i.e., totally covered.

00:33:16.000 And again, it's all in various of the hadiths, which we quote in the Rape Gang Report.

00:33:16.000 Yes.

00:33:23.000 They are considered to be meat.

00:33:25.000 And this is something I've never understood. 0.98

00:33:27.000 How do you square this circle of this sort of clannish, backward-looking culture which comes to a highly open, high-trust society and then embeds itself within that society and undermines everything that we've achieved over 1,000 years? 0.86

00:33:45.000 And acknowledging that is somehow or another racist. 1.00

00:33:48.000 Acknowledging that some cultures are superior is somehow or another racist.

00:33:51.000 But just by understanding human rights, understanding the rights of individuals to be free, to not be subjected to other people's archaic laws.

00:34:02.000 And this is look, a lot of cultures in this world live as people lived thousands of years ago.

00:34:08.000 No one in the United States wants to live as people lived thousands of years ago.

00:34:12.000 No one.

00:34:13.000 And this is not a racist thing.

00:34:15.000 You should be able to come over here and practice whatever religion you want.

00:34:19.000 But if your religion has rules that violate the laws that we've all agreed are just and fair, then you're not integrating.

00:34:29.000 And if you take over a whole town and now that town is subject to these archaic laws, we've got a problem. 0.90

00:34:37.000 And if you let that problem get bigger and bigger, They take over the country. 0.97

00:34:42.000 That's an actual possibility for certain countries.

00:34:45.000 We have to recognize that civilization is not as sturdy as we like to think it is.

00:34:51.000 It's kind of flimsy in a lot of ways.

00:34:53.000 A few bad things can happen and things can go sideways quite quickly.

00:34:57.000 Well, I think liberty is very fragile, isn't it?

00:35:00.000 Ultimately, if you don't protect liberty, you lose it.

00:35:03.000 It was Margaret Thatcher who was very strong on this.

00:35:06.000 And you have to have laws to protect liberty. 0.70

00:35:08.000 You have to have laws, but what you also have to have is everyone should be equal under the law.

00:35:12.000 And to your point, I couldn't agree more.

00:35:14.000 I mean, Britain used to be a very tolerant society.

00:35:15.000 So, for instance, Europe. 0.99

00:35:17.000 Was very anti Semitic.

00:35:18.000 Britain was never anti Semitic.

00:35:20.000 We used to welcome a lot of Jews and Protestants from Europe who were being persecuted, particularly in France with the Protestants.

00:35:28.000 So we were a very tolerant society, but the people who came integrated and they contributed.

00:35:34.000 And that is the essence, I think, of sensible immigration. 0.99

00:35:37.000 So it should be limited, targeted, and it should be only people who accept your religion and your culture and your worldview. 0.92

00:35:45.000 But what do you do, though, if someone comes over here and then they're not violating laws?

00:35:50.000 They're not violating any laws. 0.86

00:35:51.000 They achieve citizenship, but then they start bringing over more and more people and then start instituting Sharia law. 0.78

00:35:59.000 What do you do? 0.99

00:36:00.000 Do you deport them all?

00:36:01.000 This idea of having all these people recognizing how many people got in illegally, deporting them, mass deportations, deporting criminals, it all sounds great until you talk about actually implementing it.

00:36:15.000 How do you do that?

00:36:16.000 How are you doing that? 0.97

00:36:18.000 Are you going to knock on people's doors and pull them out of their homes and ship them back to where they came from? 0.91

00:36:22.000 How do you do that? 0.99

00:36:23.000 I think the first thing you do is you. 0.56

00:36:25.000 You stop them coming across.

00:36:26.000 Okay, well, how many. 1.00

00:36:27.000 They shouldn't be coming anywhere under international law because they're traveling across safe countries, so they shouldn't be coming.

00:36:32.000 What's the estimate of the amount of illegal immigration that you have in Britain? 0.99

00:36:36.000 It's almost impossible to say how many people are living there illegally or living with us illegally.

00:36:42.000 But in our paper, I mean, we think it's sort of 1.8 to 2 million people, probably.

00:36:47.000 That's our estimate.

00:36:49.000 But people arriving, we know how many are arriving.

00:36:52.000 There's a lot arriving every day, particularly when the.

00:36:54.000 The sea is calm.

00:36:57.000 How many arrive every day?

00:36:58.000 They're coming, well, it can vary.

00:36:59.000 I mean, you can get a thousand in a day.

00:37:02.000 You can get, if the sea's rough, you get none because obviously they suffer if they try and cross in little overcrowded dinghies that they can't get across.

00:37:11.000 But we're paying the French over half a billion pounds a year to try and stop it.

00:37:16.000 That, I think, is not happening. 0.79

00:37:18.000 And as a result of that, you know, our border patrol picks them up, gives them bottles of water, brings them in, and settles them in hotels and Pays them welfare. 0.88

00:37:30.000 They become and then they apply for residency and they say they're asylum seekers. 0.99

00:37:35.000 I argue most of them are economic migrants. 0.68

00:37:38.000 But our woke culture is not protecting the interests of the British people. 0.94

00:37:44.000 And it's also a massive incentive.

00:37:46.000 If you live in a terribly poor country and you can just get to England and then instantaneously you will get money and housing.

00:37:54.000 Why would you not do that? 0.96

00:37:56.000 Well, not only that, you go to the top of the waiting list for dental treatment, which Which British people don't get.

00:38:01.000 The NHS is the top of the waiting list.

00:38:05.000 They get access to dental treatment that the British people don't get?

00:38:05.000 Wait a minute.

00:38:09.000 Correct.

00:38:09.000 Why?

00:38:09.000 Why do immigrants get access to it?

00:38:12.000 This, Joe, is the mystery of what our leaders are doing.

00:38:16.000 I don't know what they think they're doing, but they have this misguided view that these people are actually, they call them asylum seekers.

00:38:25.000 They say they need to be looked after and protected.

00:38:27.000 They're not. 1.00

00:38:28.000 They're economic migrants.

00:38:28.000 And to your point, if you They know there's welfare when they reach Britain, they'll travel across multiple safe countries to get to the welfare, the free housing, and all the other stuff.

00:38:39.000 Housing and all the other stuff.

00:38:41.000 So, and then, unless you deal with issues like the rape gangs and you force them to adhere to UK law and respect our laws, our culture, and our religion, they gradually set up their own cultures and with their own laws, as I said. 0.95

00:39:00.000 And there are large tracts of the country now where we've got these Islamic settlements which effectively operate almost as a sort of parallel society. 0.89

00:39:12.000 I don't know whether it's quite the same here, whether you've got the similar thing with the Somalis in Minnesota.

00:39:17.000 You do in Dearborn, Michigan.

00:39:19.000 Dearborn, Michigan just had a gigantic Islamic parade where you just see tens of thousands of people holding flags and walking on the street.

00:39:29.000 It's kind of crazy.

00:39:30.000 And they've also.

00:39:30.000 It's crazy.

00:39:31.000 One of the things that's funny about Dearborn is all the progressives, it's a very liberal place.

00:39:37.000 They're like, welcome, welcome, everyone's welcome for all cultures.

00:39:41.000 And as soon as they got into power, they banned the pride flag.

00:39:46.000 That was the first thing they did.

00:39:47.000 Well, I'm afraid they have quite strong views on that sort of thing. 0.89

00:39:53.000 Oh, yeah, that's why Queers for Palestine is always hilarious.

00:39:56.000 And then you see the meme Palestine for Queers and it's throwing people off roofs. 0.98

00:40:01.000 It's like the chap who runs our Green Party is a gay Jew. 0.94

00:40:06.000 So, I mean, again, he's going to have a problem if these guys get anywhere near power. 1.00

00:40:11.000 But that doesn't seem to put the progressives off.

00:40:14.000 They still seem to.

00:40:15.000 But this is what's crazy. 0.99

00:40:16.000 Is that their society is complete like Islamic society is completely patriarchal. 1.00

00:40:23.000 The women are absolutely second class citizens. 1.00

00:40:27.000 They have completely different laws for how the women can dress. 1.00

00:40:31.000 What happens to the woman if someone has sex with if someone has first of all, if they commit adultery, they can be killed. 1.00

00:40:38.000 Stoned to death. 0.99

00:40:39.000 Yeah. 0.96

00:40:39.000 To death. 0.96

00:40:40.000 I watched a horrible video where a father did it to his daughter.

00:40:45.000 Yes, well, you do get these killings honor killings.

00:40:48.000 Or brothers, the brother will kill the daughter if the daughter shame the family.

00:40:52.000 It's like, hey guys, how are you progressive when you're supporting this?

00:40:56.000 It's because the concept of not being racist, not being called racist, the fear of that is so strong.

00:41:03.000 They're willing to adopt all sorts of things that are the complete antithesis of everything they believe in. 0.88

00:41:09.000 Well, in the UK, I don't know if you have it here, but the Me Too movement, it always fascinates me that they never seem to say anything about these, what I call clannish. 0.97

00:41:19.000 Tribal cultures who have a completely different view of women. 0.60

00:41:22.000 And to your point, you know, again, in our report, a woman, if she accuses in Pakistan a man of rape, she has to have four male witnesses who actually have to witness and swear that they've seen her being penetrated by the rapist.

00:41:42.000 And you've actually got women in prison because if she can't prove that she's been raped under those rules, Then she can be sent to prison, and there are many women languishing in Pakistani prisons for that very reason.

00:41:57.000 And this is the sort of extraordinary cultural oil and water which just doesn't mix, Jay.

00:42:05.000 Well, it's also the mental gymnastics that you have to have to accept that as a part of Britain and because you're progressive is really crazy.

00:42:13.000 It just shows how these ideologies, these cult like ideologies, can completely defy logic.

00:42:20.000 Completely defy common sense and just you have a set of rules that you're supposed to adhere to.

00:42:27.000 If you deviate from those rules, you're a racist.

00:42:31.000 You don't want to be a racist, right?

00:42:33.000 Then everyone's welcome.

00:42:33.000 A racist, right?

00:42:34.000 Then everyone's welcome.

00:42:37.000 As you say, it's honor killings, it's tribal.

00:42:40.000 Your first loyalty is to your tribe and your family, not to your host country who's actually got their own laws.

00:42:49.000 There are all sorts of hadith rulings which they can use to justify it. 0.78

00:42:57.000 I mean, for instance, if they rape a white girl, that doesn't count in their view of life as adultery. 0.98

00:43:07.000 So, they are effectively taught that a girl who doesn't dress as they would dress is meat to be abused. 0.95

00:43:18.000 And they have these extraordinary sort of cultural views that are completely incompatible, in my view, with a society like ours, where we are a matriarchal society which respects women.

00:43:32.000 I think we have grown to respect women.

00:43:36.000 They've now got an omnipotent position within our society, certainly in the UK.

00:43:40.000 I'm sure it's true here too, and quite right.

00:43:43.000 They play a part in our society.

00:43:44.000 They're a very, very important part of everything.

00:43:47.000 But again, under the Islamic code, I think that the Muslims are frightened of female sexuality. 0.77

00:43:57.000 It's all there. 0.98

00:43:59.000 And as you know, you get FGM, female genital mutilation.

00:44:04.000 So these cultures, I think, Joe, and to your point, are just incompatible unless you have a very strong government which basically protects its electorate from any subversive behavior which is not compatible with our values.

00:44:22.000 You keep using the term meat.

00:44:23.000 Is that how they actually refer to it as?

00:44:26.000 That's how they consider it.

00:44:28.000 What do they say?

00:44:31.000 It's in our report.

00:44:33.000 There was actually, I think it was.

00:44:36.000 Is it a translation of.

00:44:37.000 I think Thomas Jefferson, actually, it's in our report, asked the Barbary.

00:44:42.000 Pirates about the way in which they treated their slaves and their women.

00:44:46.000 That was particularly slaves. 0.99

00:44:49.000 Also, slavery is accepted within Islamic countries. 0.98

00:44:56.000 So I think they have their own codes, they have their own terms of reference.

00:45:00.000 And there is a quote in there, I'd have to look at the report to give it to you, but where one of them does liken white girls not dressing as Muslim girls dress, and he does liken it to. 0.74

00:45:16.000 Jesus.

00:45:18.000 And, you know, that is an analogy he used.

00:45:22.000 So, I mean, yeah, I think that's what they think.

00:45:24.000 This rape gang inquiry report that you have just released, the number I want you to say it because it sounds so crazy.

00:45:35.000 If I say it, people, it's going to sound wrong.

00:45:38.000 The number of people that were victims, the estimate.

00:45:41.000 Well, we've estimated that a minimum of a quarter of a million. rapes have taken place.

00:45:47.000 It's probably much, much more, Joe.

00:45:50.000 Much, much more.

00:45:51.000 Because we've published in here, I think it's a list of 147 parts of the UK where this is happening.

00:45:57.000 Now, the government tries to tell you it's happening in Rochdale, Oldham, you know, one or two, Bradford, one or two centres, and that's why their statutory inquiry, the terms of reference of that have now been downgraded.

00:46:07.000 So they make it look as if it's not a systemic problem, but just a little local problem, which it isn't.

00:46:14.000 So we've listed here, and they're all in here, the places where we know it's happening.

00:46:20.000 From our rape gang inquiry.

00:46:22.000 But every time we publish this, Joe, I get people emailing us or sending us messages on social media to say, What about Red Ruth in Cornwall?

00:46:31.000 in Cornwall.

00:46:32.000 What about it's happening here, it's happening here, it's happening here.

00:46:36.000 So I think it's incredibly widespread.

00:46:39.000 And there's other people who've corroborated that quarter of a million figure.

00:46:43.000 That's an incredibly conservative figure.

00:46:45.000 You can't be exact because the state is not collecting the data, which they should be doing.

00:46:51.000 And we've been lobbying in Parliament to make sure that the state's collection of the data improves.

00:46:57.000 And then we can actually see the extent of the problem and you can actually pinpoint it in the same way that we've done it in this report.

00:47:05.000 So this is, I think it's linked to organized crime.

00:47:09.000 I think it's linked to the drug trade.

00:47:12.000 I'm pretty sure it's linked to the drug trade. 0.97

00:47:14.000 And obviously it's linked to prostitution.

00:47:18.000 So as usual, with an evil like this, and you've got girls who are transported around in the back of pickups and in cages, and at our rape gang inquiry, we had examples of girls who were raped by dogs. 0.94

00:47:36.000 And filmed, either anally raped or vaginally raped, and literally watched, filmed, and a lot of it's about servitude and about, you know, there's other stories in here about women having to lick the face, the feet of their rapists. 0.95

00:47:55.000 It's about power, it's about servitude, and it's about the fact that Muslim men are taught to believe that they are superior, not only to women, but they're superior. 0.99

00:48:08.000 To people like yourself and myself who are considered to be, if you like, the infidels. 0.99

00:48:17.000 And their job is to effectively spread Islam and effectively punish the infidel. 0.98

00:48:28.000 And as you probably know, in the Crusades, if you lost to Saladin and you were a Knights Templar, a crusader, you had two choices. 1.00

00:48:36.000 You either converted to Islam or they killed you. 0.55

00:48:41.000 And in the case of a lot of these girls, a lot of them were made pregnant, they were impregnated, and they then had to convert to Islam.

00:48:53.000 Some of them were trafficked to Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, other parts of the world.

00:48:59.000 So, look, I mean, this is a massive national scandal.

00:49:03.000 And I'm hoping now I'm an MP, we've written this report, and this should stimulate debate.

00:49:10.000 We sent a copy of this.

00:49:12.000 On a PDF to every MP, and we're going to send this printed copy to all of them as well.

00:49:17.000 Because everybody in power should look at this and they should start to correct it immediately.

00:49:24.000 You use the term, the term is used rape gang.

00:49:27.000 Why are you saying gang?

00:49:30.000 And this is an organized practice?

00:49:32.000 Yes, yes.

00:49:33.000 So it's just. 0.99

00:49:34.000 It's not as simple as Islamic men are raping poor white girls, it's that they go out in gangs specifically for this purpose. 0.99

00:49:42.000 These are properly organized gangs. 0.99

00:49:45.000 gangs who are grooming and abusing young girls as young as 10 or 11 and then literally trafficking them around the country.

00:49:55.000 We know that from the testimonies we've had.

00:49:58.000 So originally, when I went into Parliament, I was elected late.

00:50:03.000 So I was elected in July 24.

00:50:06.000 So at the tender age of 67.

00:50:10.000 So we heard them being referred to as Asian grooming gangs.

00:50:16.000 Which I think is a misnomer because it's unfair on, for instance, the Japanese or other Asian cultures who don't do this.

00:50:26.000 So when we, thanks to Elon Musk, we actually did, and as you're quite right, thanks to him giving us a free speech platform, and Facebook's thankfully followed as well, so he's led the charge through his purchase of what was Twitter.

00:50:40.000 So when I got into, I gave a speech in Parliament where I didn't, I said, they're not Asian grooming gangs.

00:50:47.000 I'm going to call them what they are. 1.00

00:50:49.000 They're Pakistani Muslim rape gangs. 1.00

00:50:52.000 So I said this in Parliament. 1.00

00:50:53.000 So Jamie will be able to drag it up if he goes on to the, you know, because everything goes into Hansard.

00:50:59.000 And I gave this speech and it caused shock in the House of Commons.

00:51:04.000 Now, look, I'm not the smartest kid on the block, but what I do in Parliament is I tell the truth.

00:51:10.000 So, you know, I'm only interested in telling the truth and getting to the truth and changing the way in which we govern.

00:51:15.000 That's what I've gone into Parliament for.

00:51:17.000 You know, I haven't gone into this.

00:51:19.000 I give my parliamentary salary to charity.

00:51:22.000 I'm a reasonably successful person who's lived his life.

00:51:27.000 I've been chairman of a football club.

00:51:28.000 I don't know if you're interested in Premier League football, but I was chairman of Southampton.

00:51:31.000 So I built the stadium for Southampton.

00:51:34.000 I used to play competitive hockey.

00:51:37.000 And I built up the youth academy at Southampton.

00:51:39.000 I loved the best day of my life when we got to the cup final in 2003.

00:51:43.000 We lost 1 0 to Arsenal, but it was the most amazing experience for everybody.

00:51:47.000 So look, I'm not doing this because I want necessarily to be doing it.

00:51:52.000 I'm doing it because somebody's got to do it.

00:51:55.000 And if we're going to change Britain, we've got to get the public to buy into what we're doing.

00:52:01.000 And as I say, I'm not a classic politician.

00:52:03.000 I'm not saying you've got to vote for me.

00:52:06.000 I'm saying that we've got to change Britain by 29, or I think the country, from what I can see, is in terminal decline.

00:52:14.000 So I sit on the Public Accounts Committee.

00:52:16.000 I see the waste.

00:52:17.000 I see the unaccountability.

00:52:18.000 I see the way in which the civil service does not serve the people which it's supposed to serve.

00:52:25.000 our debt rising to nearly 100% of GDP.

00:52:28.000 I see massive misallocation of procurement on our weapons.

00:52:33.000 I see fraud in the judiciary.

00:52:35.000 I see all the things that.

00:52:37.000 Sounds like you're talking about America.

00:52:39.000 Well, I'm talking about Britain at the moment, Joe.

00:52:42.000 It seems like it's a widespread problem.

00:52:44.000 Well, I actually think America under Joe Biden probably was as bad as that.

00:52:51.000 And if you look at what Elon and the boys uncovered with.

00:52:54.000 With USAID and all of the misallocation of taxpayer funds all over the world.

00:53:00.000 A lot of it to England.

00:53:01.000 Some of it came to woke causes in England.

00:53:05.000 So, look, whoever the architects of this are, whether it's the World Economic Forum, whoever they are, whether it's the Bilderbergers, whether it's the Council on Foreign Relations, whether it's whatever malign influence is trying to do this, we have to collectively try and reverse it.

00:53:20.000 So, I'm saying to people, if you want, I will do my damnedest to reverse it.

00:53:26.000 I've run multiple businesses.

00:53:28.000 I was in the City of London for 20 years, so I know about finance.

00:53:31.000 And I will commit to doing whatever I can to reverse this for the British people.

00:53:38.000 But they've got to buy into it, Joe. 0.60

00:53:39.000 They've got to buy into it.

00:53:41.000 Are there people that are in denial that this is happening, that this rape gang problem is real?

00:53:46.000 Oh, without a shadow of a doubt.

00:53:48.000 What do they say?

00:53:48.000 Labour.

00:53:50.000 Well, Labour just tries to look the other way.

00:53:52.000 But when confronted, when confronted by the numbers, what is their response?

00:53:56.000 Well, we've been demanding a statutory inquiry.

00:53:59.000 And in the end, we crowdfunded this.

00:54:02.000 What is their response to that?

00:54:02.000 Right.

00:54:03.000 Well, their response to this has been pretty muted, to be frank.

00:54:06.000 I mean, the BBC haven't covered it at all.

00:54:08.000 Really?

00:54:09.000 A national monopolistic broadcaster paid for by a compulsory fee have not covered this as a matter of public interest.

00:54:19.000 Nor of Sky, nor properly of the Daily Telegraph.

00:54:24.000 GB News have covered a tiny, Patrick Christie's covered one evening of it.

00:54:29.000 Now, this is a massive national scandal that deserves a complete and utter airing.

00:54:35.000 How does the BBC justify not discussing this?

00:54:40.000 Well, the BBC is part of our problem, Joe.

00:54:42.000 So, to your point about the Democrats, the BBC is a deeply malign organisation.

00:54:49.000 So, it was set up to inform, educate, and entertain.

00:54:53.000 And it was set up by a man called Reith.

00:54:56.000 And Reith was a highly principled man.

00:54:58.000 And I think at the time it was set up in the 20s, it probably did have a role.

00:55:06.000 But in the digital age, where most of the young people no longer watch.

00:55:12.000 Their news on the BBC.

00:55:13.000 They get their news from whatever their favorite news channel is, whether it's Breitbart, whoever they go and get it from, they get it from somewhere else.

00:55:21.000 But if you want to watch sport or you want to basically have your TV, you have to pay the TV license.

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00:56:28.000 There's still a problem that I'm sure exists in England just as it exists in America.

00:56:33.000 There's a certain subset of our society, a large percentage of our society, particularly older people, that things are not legitimate unless they're discussed in corporate media.

00:56:43.000 And that if it's not in the New York Times, if it's not on CNN, if it's not, you know, fill in the blank, then it can't be completely legitimate.

00:56:51.000 It has to be a fringe thing.

00:56:52.000 It has to be a conspiracy thing.

00:56:54.000 They still need these sort of legacy establishments to give them the news because that has been the way they grew up.

00:57:03.000 That has been how they were trained.

00:57:05.000 And in their mind, they don't understand the internet completely.

00:57:08.000 They don't go on Twitter.

00:57:10.000 And so all that stuff to them is just too fringe.

00:57:14.000 So that's always going to be a problem. 0.83

00:57:17.000 And if someone like the BBC doesn't cover this stuff, For a lot of people that are woefully ignorant, they can still kind of claim that ignorance and dismiss it because the BBC isn't covering it. 0.80

00:57:30.000 That's exactly right.

00:57:31.000 I mean, that's a very good summary because the BBC historically was totally trusted and their news bulletins were designed, as I say, to be impartial completely.

00:57:44.000 And being a public sector broadcaster, their job was to cover matters like this and create debate.

00:57:50.000 But as we know, monopolies go bad.

00:57:54.000 I mean, monopolies, in my view, are generally a bad thing, particularly in the digital age where, you know, thanks to Elon Musk and what he did with X, I think he has released free speech.

00:58:07.000 I think he has returned some sort of semblance of people's ability to be able to force debate without being bullied by a monopoly like the BBC.

00:58:20.000 So, if I ever get near power, I will responsibly defund the BBC as one of the first things I do.

00:58:25.000 I think the BBC is dripping poison into the veins of Britain every day.

00:58:30.000 What other examples of what the BBC is doing do you think is dripping poison?

00:58:35.000 Well, I think a lot of their coverage is not objective, it's woke.

00:58:40.000 I mean, they're into all this DEI, they're into obviously the LGBTQ, they're into all of the things which I think, as we said earlier, probably came from this Democrat period.

00:58:55.000 But it's been happening for a long time.

00:58:57.000 I think if you look at the Labour Party, again, I don't know if you've ever heard of the Fabian Society.

00:59:03.000 So the Fabian Society was set up in the 1880s.

00:59:03.000 No.

00:59:10.000 Most of the Labour frontbench and most of the Labour Party are members of the Fabian Society.

00:59:16.000 So, the Fabian Society, George Bernard Shaw was a member of the Fabian Society.

00:59:19.000 You'll have heard of George Bernard Shaw.

00:59:21.000 So, he, it's the most extraordinary organisation.

00:59:25.000 Their emblem is a wolf in sheep's clothing.

00:59:29.000 As if that doesn't tell you what they're doing.

00:59:31.000 That's their emblem?

00:59:33.000 Can I see what that looks like?

00:59:34.000 It's a wolf in sheep's clothing.

00:59:34.000 That's their emblem.

00:59:37.000 Fabian Society?

00:59:37.000 The Fabian Society.

00:59:39.000 I need to see that.

00:59:39.000 You should have a look at that.

00:59:41.000 Should I tell you what else they were?

00:59:42.000 I need a t shirt.

00:59:43.000 Should I tell you what else they were?

00:59:45.000 They were eugenicists originally.

00:59:47.000 Whoa.

00:59:47.000 Yes.

00:59:48.000 When?

00:59:49.000 How far back?

00:59:49.000 Well.

00:59:50.000 George Bernard Short.

00:59:51.000 Look at that. 0.99

00:59:52.000 That is damn crazy.

00:59:54.000 Well, everyone should look at the Fabian Society because that runs deep through the veins of labor. 0.99

00:59:58.000 That is damn crazy.

01:00:00.000 What do you think of that? 1.00

01:00:01.000 That is damn crazy. 0.97

01:00:02.000 So, ladies and gentlemen, if you're just listening to this, this Fabian Society coat of arms is really a black wolf that has a sheep's body strapped on top of its back. 0.98

01:00:15.000 And it's like covering its.

01:00:16.000 This is insane.

01:00:18.000 That's crazy.

01:00:22.000 What a complete disdain for anybody else's intelligence.

01:00:28.000 Like, they're not even trying to hide it.

01:00:31.000 They're all members.

01:00:31.000 They're just like.

01:00:32.000 The front bench are all members of the Fabian Society.

01:00:35.000 So that coat of arms is.

01:00:36.000 Keir Starmer is also a member.

01:00:38.000 I need a t shirt, Jamie.

01:00:39.000 Please order it.

01:00:41.000 You want a Fabian Society t shirt?

01:00:43.000 Yeah, just for a goof.

01:00:45.000 I think it would be hilarious.

01:00:46.000 But no, so that runs through the Labour Party.

01:00:48.000 So that's.

01:00:50.000 So I think the agenda has been, to your point, they've infiltrated our education system.

01:00:50.000 All part of it.

01:00:58.000 And, you know, I'm proud of our history.

01:01:00.000 I mean, Britain stopped the slave trade, it cost us a fortune.

01:01:05.000 We did it almost unilaterally.

01:01:08.000 And, you know, we, I think, on the whole, have been a force for good in the world, not bad.

01:01:13.000 I'm proud to say that I've stunted a lot of history.

01:01:16.000 I think there are many other cultures, probably the Belgians and the French, who are far more brutal than us with their colonies.

01:01:24.000 So, I think we've tended to leave a legacy where we've tried to instill the rule of law.

01:01:29.000 Look at India.

01:01:30.000 Look at a lot of the other countries that we were involved with.

01:01:35.000 They're now flourishing because of the structures that we left in place.

01:01:39.000 And it's very sad to watch us almost turning in on ourselves and having left the legacy in other countries, we ourselves have lost sight of what we should be doing.

01:01:52.000 It's really extraordinary seeing the perspective of a lot of young people that are very impressionable that come out of universities.

01:01:59.000 And have an utter complete disdain for these successful societies.

01:02:05.000 And instead of looking at these successful societies and saying, well, yeah, people were really terrible in the past, but this is a pretty good example of how people should be treated equally today.

01:02:17.000 No, it's not perfect, but it's progressing in a better direction than it was in the past, right?

01:02:22.000 Instead, they look to the past and everything is built on this horrible history of outrageous, atrocious acts, and therefore it must be punished currently. 0.85

01:02:32.000 And all the people that benefited from it, specifically white people, need to be cast out.

01:02:38.000 They need to be silenced. 1.00

01:02:40.000 Multiculturalism is the only way to go. 1.00

01:02:42.000 Complete open borders. 0.94

01:02:45.000 The way they look at things is like, how do you think these countries got so good?

01:02:51.000 What do you think is about America or about England, about any of these countries that leads them to be where they are today?

01:02:57.000 Well, it's a long history of progress, a long history.

01:03:03.000 And along the way, yeah. 0.99

01:03:06.000 Especially when you go back hundreds of years ago, people were fucking terrible. 0.99

01:03:08.000 They were terrible everywhere. 0.99

01:03:10.000 Humans are just getting better at being people pretty recently.

01:03:14.000 But to throw it all out and abandon it and to think that socialism is going to fix you.

01:03:20.000 Do you guys read anything?

01:03:22.000 There's not a single example of that not turning to tyranny.

01:03:27.000 Their take on it is always it hasn't been done correctly.

01:03:30.000 That is so wild that people are still willing to swallow that.

01:03:34.000 The only thing that makes sense is they've been indoctrinated.

01:03:37.000 Through universities to think this way.

01:03:39.000 Because nowhere in the real world do you think that a quality of outcome ever makes any sense.

01:03:45.000 Because everybody realizes somewhere along the line, when you get your first job, when you're a kid, when you're going through school, when you're playing sports, there's not a quality of effort.

01:03:53.000 There's never a quality of effort.

01:03:54.000 And there's always some people that want to put in more effort and they're putting more thought and more focus and they get further. 0.95

01:04:02.000 And, you know, oh, well, they're fucking over all these other people. 0.86

01:04:05.000 Are you sure that's everything? 0.96

01:04:07.000 Because it seems like it's not.

01:04:09.000 And it seems like as soon as you remove Any incentive to succeed, then you don't have any of the amazing stuff that you have around you all the time.

01:04:17.000 The reason why you have beautiful televisions and Starlink and all that is capitalism.

01:04:23.000 You have to incentivize people to create these things. 0.99

01:04:27.000 It doesn't mean the only way to do it is to fuck other people over. 0.90

01:04:30.000 That's not correct. 0.98

01:04:32.000 It could be done correctly, it could be done humanely, it can be done wisely.

01:04:36.000 You could vote with your dollars, you could boycott companies that do things that you don't think are ethical.

01:04:42.000 There's all sorts of wonderful ways that capitalism could be used.

01:04:45.000 You can sort of influence things in the right direction, but to throw it all out and say we've got to go to socialism, like, oh boy, I can't believe people are buying that.

01:04:56.000 That to me is one of the real problems with not allowing conservative voices in universities.

01:05:01.000 And that these universities, especially in the United States, are a lot of, especially in sociology, psychology, and the overwhelmingly liberal.

01:05:13.000 Like, surely there's got to be some historians out there that are conservative.

01:05:17.000 And they would have a different perspective.

01:05:19.000 And it might be good to have diversity of opinion as well as diversity of national origin, as well as diversity of gender, as well as diversity of sexual orientation.

01:05:30.000 Yeah, all that stuff's great.

01:05:31.000 But also diversity of opinion.

01:05:33.000 Like the only way to know whether or not this person's making sense is to have someone who completely disagrees, that has a better point, go up against them and you watch them duke it out.

01:05:43.000 And as soon as you silence all that because students don't feel safe or because, you know, this is promoting.

01:05:49.000 X, Y, and Z. 0.62

01:05:51.000 This person's a Nazi. 0.98

01:05:52.000 Oh, they're a Nazi. 0.97

01:05:53.000 We can't let them on there.

01:05:54.000 As soon as you do that, you ruin the whole thing that a university is supposed to be doing.

01:05:59.000 It's supposed to be preparing young minds for discourse and for communicating and for figuring out the world on their own.

01:06:05.000 They're eventually going to be independent and dependent entirely on their own actions and decisions and go out there in the world, figure out your way.

01:06:13.000 Arm them correctly.

01:06:14.000 And the way to do that is to expose them to all sorts of different competing ideas.

01:06:19.000 The idea that that was ever accepted to be shut down in this country, especially in America, is a.

01:06:24.000 Massive failure of the education system.

01:06:26.000 Just massive.

01:06:28.000 If you think that someone has bad points, come up with better points and let them duke it out and don't pull fire alarms and don't silence them and don't scream and protest and throw things at them.

01:06:38.000 Communicate.

01:06:39.000 This is what, and anybody who doesn't do that should be shunned.

01:06:43.000 I agree. 0.90

01:06:44.000 If you're one of those people that says, no, you can't talk to Nazis, like, shun them.

01:06:49.000 They are the enemy of thinking, they are the enemy of progress, they are the enemy of finding out what's right and what's wrong.

01:06:55.000 And the only way we find that out is we communicate.

01:06:58.000 Free speech.

01:06:59.000 Free speech.

01:07:00.000 Well, free speech and a degree of Darwinism.

01:07:03.000 You have to have a.

01:07:04.000 What we have in the UK now is, I always say, reverse Darwinian theory.

01:07:09.000 And again, at schools now, in my day, I was lucky, we liked to win.

01:07:14.000 To win was good.

01:07:15.000 To win fairly in a proper game of hockey or rugby or whatever was great.

01:07:20.000 But now, in schools, winning is considered to be bad.

01:07:25.000 So everybody needs to have an opportunity to be treated the same.

01:07:28.000 In sports?

01:07:29.000 Often, often in sport, to win, to be seen as a competitive winner.

01:07:33.000 You guys don't have wrestling over there, either.

01:07:35.000 We don't have wrestling.

01:07:35.000 I know you do.

01:07:36.000 You do cage fighting and stuff, don't you?

01:07:43.000 It's like wrestlers understand meritocracy as good as any human being alive because there's no way to make it unless you work hard.

01:07:53.000 But isn't this the battle, Jay, the age-old battle between individualism and collectivism?

01:07:58.000 Yes.

01:07:59.000 Because the collective… likes to curb the individual.

01:08:04.000 I like to foster the individual and I think what the state fears most is highly successful, independent-minded people who are capable of putting their point of view and discussing it with each other.

01:08:19.000 So what they try and do through the taxation in the UK, what they're doing is they're taxing, to your point, people who contribute, who work hard.

01:08:27.000 And there are still a lot of people who fight very hard to feed their families.

01:08:32.000 They're proud.

01:08:32.000 They don't want to be part of this welfarism.

01:08:35.000 You know, they want to provide and they work hard, but the state puts everything in their way all the regulations, the rules, the taxes.

01:08:44.000 Everything is, everything is, the force is not with them.

01:08:48.000 And that's got to be wrong.

01:08:50.000 I mean, what you, what I think what you need is a lot of successful individual family businesses, communities which are self-sufficient, communities that respect each other and effectively can have this debate with each other.

01:09:05.000 You get at the truth.

01:09:06.000 And I think as a result of that, most of the, Best inventions have come from the UK, the US, from the Anglo Saxon world, where individualism, when it's allowed to flourish, does a lot of good for mankind.

01:09:20.000 And to your point, I think this is what's been undermined by these, what I call central planners.

01:09:26.000 And a lot of these great inventions in America have come from people that immigrated legally from other countries because they appreciated what America stood for and they really wanted to make something happen.

01:09:35.000 And they couldn't do it wherever they were.

01:09:36.000 Well, the extraordinary thing in the UK is we've got a lot of support from people. 0.99

01:09:40.000 Who are immigrants into the UK?

01:09:43.000 They came to Britain because they respected our structures.

01:09:46.000 And what they want is they want structure.

01:09:48.000 They don't want to see the country. 0.84

01:09:49.000 Yes, legal immigrants in America have the same perspective. 1.00

01:09:52.000 Same.

01:09:52.000 Legal immigrants in America are pretty overwhelmingly against the whole open border idea because it was so hard for them to become an American citizen.

01:10:00.000 It's a very proud moment for them to do it.

01:10:02.000 A lot of young people?

01:10:03.000 Yeah.

01:10:04.000 A lot of support from young people who are.

01:10:06.000 Again, I. Young people are online.

01:10:07.000 See, this is the thing.

01:10:08.000 So young people are much more I want to say informed, but at least aware of the issue.

01:10:15.000 They're much more aware of things than older people that are just, again, reading the newspaper and watching television.

01:10:22.000 But don't you think, as it may be the same here in Britain? 0.99

01:10:25.000 A lot of the wealth is tied up in what I call the baby boomers. 0.94

01:10:28.000 So I'm a sort of tail end boomer because I'm 68, but the sort of bulk of them are probably 70 to 90.

01:10:35.000 And a lot of the pension wealth is held there.

01:10:39.000 And a lot of the damage that's been done to our financial markets has come from aversion to risk.

01:10:45.000 Risk is a good thing, in my opinion.

01:10:47.000 So people need to take risk.

01:10:48.000 Risk, you know, the entrepreneur takes risk and he gets reward if he gets it right.

01:10:53.000 But if you tax him into oblivion, he doesn't take the risk. 0.98

01:10:56.000 And what's happened in Britain is the baby boomers, the wealth's all locked up there. 0.95

01:11:01.000 They want to see their retirement through safely, and not enough money is cascading down to the young people to be able to build their lives in the same way that the boomers were given a chance to make money in this very. 0.99

01:11:14.000 When you say not enough money is cascading down, like how so? 0.54

01:11:17.000 What's the bottleneck? 1.00

01:11:18.000 Well, the money's all locked up with these old baby boomers, and they're more concerned with their pensions and their retirement than they are with generating an ongoing wealth chain, which. 0.99

01:11:29.000 Gives an opportunity for the young to be involved. 1.00

01:11:31.000 So you mean they're not starting businesses?

01:11:32.000 No, very much not.

01:11:34.000 They're just holding on to their money.

01:11:35.000 They're holding on to their money.

01:11:36.000 So that's just an England thing.

01:11:38.000 In England, definitely.

01:11:38.000 I mean, I think it's a big issue.

01:11:41.000 I don't know whether it's an issue here.

01:11:42.000 Is it an issue here?

01:11:43.000 Well, there's certainly an issue here with young people feeling like the system is completely rigged.

01:11:47.000 The cost of housing is through the roof, rent is through the roof, groceries are more expensive.

01:11:54.000 Inflation here is a giant problem.

01:11:58.000 It's a giant problem for people that are struggling.

01:12:00.000 We were just looking at something the other day on the internet where it was talking about a number from, what was it, like 2007 or 2008 or something like that?

01:12:12.000 That was like $225,000 and it's $450,000 in today.

01:12:16.000 I'm like, that's crazy.

01:12:18.000 That's like 20 years ago.

01:12:21.000 To have something double in 20 years and you just think about how many people that are coming up that just feel like AI is going to take all their jobs.

01:12:31.000 So, they don't know what to do, and now they're in student debt because you guys have free education over there, which is a wonderful thing.

01:12:38.000 I completely support that idea, but in America, these kids get saddled down with debt that they can't escape from.

01:12:45.000 Well, we don't.

01:12:46.000 In England, we don't have free education.

01:12:47.000 So, in England, in Scotland, they do.

01:12:49.000 Scotland has free education.

01:12:50.000 We did used to have it, you're quite right.

01:12:53.000 When did it go away?

01:12:54.000 Well, now students have to take out loans, and this is another shocking.

01:12:57.000 I thought you guys had free health care and free education.

01:13:02.000 Well, if you call it free health care, assuming you can get a doctor now, because most people now are having to source their own medical treatment because it takes you so long to get an operation or to get a doctor's appointment.

01:13:15.000 Although the sort of health service was set up post-war to provide free health care, when it becomes incredibly inefficient, people have to seek their own care.

01:13:24.000 Otherwise, they don't get treated.

01:13:26.000 But look, I think with student debt now, when did it change where university education?

01:13:31.000 It's changed.

01:13:34.000 So now.

01:13:34.000 What year was this?

01:13:35.000 Well, it's been changed for a long time.

01:13:39.000 Oh, so yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:13:41.000 So, my oldest son is 35.

01:13:42.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:13:43.000 So my oldest son is 35.

01:13:46.000 So he took out a student loan.

01:13:49.000 It was less then.

01:13:50.000 And then the fees shot up.

01:13:52.000 So my.

01:13:52.000 What's a.

01:13:53.000 Like for Oxford, what's a typical.

01:13:55.000 How much does that cost?

01:13:55.000 Well, they run up students or run up debt of.

01:13:58.000 In the UK now, it's not uncommon to run up a debt of £60,000.

01:14:02.000 So it's very similar to what's going on in America.

01:14:04.000 £60,000.

01:14:05.000 And they're charged the most hideous rate of interest on it.

01:14:09.000 Do you have bankruptcy laws in terms of bankruptcy over there?

01:14:12.000 We do have bankruptcy laws.

01:14:14.000 But do you have bankruptcy?

01:14:14.000 Yeah.

01:14:16.000 Student debt, you won't be bankrupt today with student debt, though, because the student debt, they just accrue the interest.

01:14:22.000 If you go and work in a foreign country, often you don't have to pay the student debt back.

01:14:28.000 I think it's a 30 year liability.

01:14:31.000 But once you start working, then the student debt organization will take interest and principal out of your salary.

01:14:38.000 In America, if you go bankrupt, they'll forgive credit card debt, all sorts of other debt, but not student loan.

01:14:44.000 It's the one.

01:14:45.000 Loan that you cannot ever be forgiven from.

01:14:48.000 In fact, people who have Social Security in America, their Social Security gets docked because they owe student loans.

01:14:55.000 Is that right?

01:14:55.000 I didn't know that.

01:14:56.000 It's crazy.

01:14:57.000 Imagine you're at the end of your life, you're living on Social Security, and they're taking pieces of it for an education that clearly didn't help you out.

01:15:04.000 Well, I don't know about you, but in England, we've got these ridiculous courses in sort of humanities and sort of things that are completely abstruse.

01:15:11.000 Oh, yeah. 0.88

01:15:13.000 And these kids go and do these what I call bullshit degrees, and at the end of the day, they come out of it with a load of debt. 0.97

01:15:21.000 And no real skills. 0.98

01:15:22.000 No skills in a completely ideologically captured mind.

01:15:26.000 Very much so.

01:15:26.000 Yeah.

01:15:27.000 It's, that's, it's, and there's not a lot of other alternatives.

01:15:32.000 It's like most universities are left leaning.

01:15:35.000 Yeah.

01:15:35.000 And that's the issue that these kids have.

01:15:38.000 Even if you're from a conservative family or if the kids grow up a certain way, send them off to college and they're very impressionable and they're going to get talked down to by a professor who's a communist who's never had a real job in his life.

01:15:50.000 And he seems so smart and he's very smug and he insults you if you disagree with him.

01:15:55.000 And he is the ruler of the classroom and everybody, like little kids, they just give in to this guy's ideas.

01:16:02.000 The next thing you know, you're organizing on school grounds and you're doing all the same things the other communists are doing and you're part of the team.

01:16:11.000 Hey, we're a nice, we're going to fix the world. 0.99

01:16:15.000 And you don't realize how ridiculous it is until like maybe you're 35 and you have a job and then you have a family and you're like, what the fuck are we doing? 0.99

01:16:23.000 Like, what is this? 0.98

01:16:24.000 It does change, doesn't it?

01:16:25.000 Oh, 100%.

01:16:26.000 But Oxford's the worst.

01:16:27.000 It's the oldest thing. 0.97

01:16:28.000 Show me a young man.

01:16:30.000 Who quoted that?

01:16:31.000 Who was that quote from?

01:16:32.000 Show me a young man who's not a liberal, and I'll show you a man without a heart. 0.99

01:16:42.000 Show me an old man who's not conservative, and I'll show you a man without a brain. 0.99

01:16:44.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:16:45.000 No, I don't know who said that, but it's a common saying.

01:16:48.000 Let's find out who said that. 0.99

01:16:51.000 It's a truism.

01:16:52.000 Was it Churchill?

01:16:53.000 Was it Churchill?

01:16:54.000 There you go.

01:16:55.000 One of your people.

01:16:56.000 Yeah.

01:16:57.000 Yeah.

01:16:57.000 Brilliant and accurate.

01:16:59.000 And it doesn't being conservative doesn't mean you're not kind, silly. 0.97

01:17:02.000 It's just recognition of human nature.

01:17:06.000 And you can't reward people for not putting in effort because then they will find ways to not put in effort.

01:17:12.000 You can't reward people for being a quote unquote victim.

01:17:16.000 And I don't mean a real victim of a crime.

01:17:19.000 I mean victimized by society, victimized by circumstance.

01:17:23.000 You can't weaponize that because people will cling to it.

01:17:28.000 People love excuses.

01:17:30.000 Anybody who does sports, you played hockey, people love excuses.

01:17:34.000 Now, today my back hurts.

01:17:36.000 Today I don't feel up to it.

01:17:37.000 Today I'm a little tired.

01:17:38.000 I can't do the final lap.

01:17:40.000 People love excuses.

01:17:41.000 And when you weaponize that and you give people incentives to be excused, you give excuses and then you put people on their heels, like, whoa, I don't want to appear that I'm insensitive.

01:17:51.000 Let's help you out.

01:17:52.000 And then all of a sudden, you've got a whole swath of society that has carte blanche over your tax dollars for nonsense.

01:18:01.000 Well, this is obviously what's happened in the UK.

01:18:03.000 When I was brought up, again, competition was a good thing.

01:18:07.000 You know, if you felt a bit rough, you just carried on.

01:18:11.000 You didn't whinge.

01:18:12.000 You didn't moan.

01:18:12.000 You expected to fight for.

01:18:14.000 Things.

01:18:15.000 If you had a setback, you didn't immediately go and cry into your beer.

01:18:18.000 You basically got on with it.

01:18:20.000 We need to teach people that.

01:18:22.000 It's character building.

01:18:24.000 You're going to have rough days, and you should cherish those rough days because from them you will grow.

01:18:30.000 You will grow from your rough days.

01:18:32.000 The down times are the good ones because those down times really give you the motivation and the real firepower to get out of whatever situation you're in and improve your life.

01:18:43.000 From adversity comes success, I think.

01:18:47.000 Comes character for sure.

01:18:48.000 Character and success, yeah.

01:18:49.000 Yeah, character for sure.

01:18:50.000 I mean, it doesn't exist without some sort of adversity.

01:18:54.000 But I do think the young were also badly affected by the COVID, by the response to COVID, Joe.

01:19:01.000 And I think you and I share something in common.

01:19:03.000 I'm a pure blood.

01:19:07.000 I didn't have those injections.

01:19:09.000 I wouldn't go anywhere near them.

01:19:10.000 How did you get away with that in the UK?

01:19:13.000 Well, I used to go to Australia a lot because I have some businesses in Perth in Western Australia.

01:19:18.000 I love those old rocks in.

01:19:20.000 Western Australia, you know, the mining, the sort of wild west and Kalgoorlie and places like that, you know, which have got a huge historical connection to sort of gold prospecting and stuff.

01:19:32.000 So I stopped going, I stopped traveling because it was very difficult to travel.

01:19:36.000 But I don't know about you, I found the lockdown profoundly concerning.

01:19:43.000 I thought things that I thought were the norm, I was losing everything that made sense.

01:19:49.000 Yeah.

01:19:50.000 And, you know, there were things happening that I didn't.

01:19:54.000 Think could ever happen in Britain.

01:19:58.000 The state literally took over and it frightened people into submission.

01:20:04.000 And the young people suffered most because they didn't have the opportunity to socialize and to your point, discuss ideas and get at the truth.

01:20:16.000 They were literally locked up.

01:20:18.000 Everything was online.

01:20:20.000 It wasn't right.

01:20:21.000 The whole thing was completely wrong.

01:20:23.000 Imagine if you're in high school in America and you're in California your entire senior year.

01:20:29.000 You graduate.

01:20:29.000 You're at home.

01:20:30.000 You can't even go to a graduation because it's too dangerous.

01:20:33.000 Yeah.

01:20:34.000 The whole thing was madness. 1.00

01:20:35.000 Well, Sweden got it right. 0.80

01:20:36.000 Anders Tatum in Sweden.

01:20:38.000 He was a great man, very brave man.

01:20:40.000 And he got that right.

01:20:41.000 And boy, there was a lot of pushback.

01:20:43.000 It was amazing how many people were willing to do the work of the government, how many citizens were willing to enforce these ideas.

01:20:51.000 It was really shocking.

01:20:53.000 It was shocking to watch how many people became lemmings, how many people just stepped in line.

01:20:57.000 We had people ratting on each other. 0.95

01:20:59.000 Yeah.

01:20:59.000 Oh, we did it again.

01:21:00.000 Because we were rewarding people in Los Angeles.

01:21:02.000 Yeah.

01:21:03.000 They were giving them financial rewards for telling on their neighbors that we're having parties.

01:21:03.000 Yeah.

01:21:07.000 Well, that's what happened in England.

01:21:10.000 I have a tennis court in the middle of nowhere, so I used to say, come up and play tennis because it's ridiculous to stop you playing tennis outside.

01:21:16.000 I mean, absolutely mad.

01:21:18.000 Anyway, they used to come up and play tennis, and nobody can see it.

01:21:23.000 But if they played it in the village, then people would report each other.

01:21:26.000 Yeah.

01:21:27.000 In California, we had people report on us because this desk is not six feet wide.

01:21:32.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:21:32.000 Seriously?

01:21:33.000 Yeah.

01:21:34.000 And then they also said we were talking close to each other without masks because there was a bunch of people that saw people walk into the studio and we shook their hand.

01:21:43.000 So they were ratting on us.

01:21:44.000 And so we had to put a sign up in the front door of the studio and we had to have a bag of masks, a whole bag of masks.

01:21:51.000 Do we have to have hand sanitizer too?

01:21:53.000 Did we have that too?

01:21:55.000 I think so.

01:21:55.000 I think we had to have hand sanitizer for a while at least.

01:21:59.000 But we were getting ratted on because this desk is too close.

01:22:03.000 This desk is only five feet wide, so it's no social distancing. 0.99

01:22:07.000 It's pathetic, Joe, isn't it? 0.99

01:22:09.000 It was nonsense. 1.00

01:22:11.000 It was so crazy. 0.94

01:22:12.000 The whole thing made no sense.

01:22:15.000 It completely changed a lot of people's ideas about trusting experts and trusting authority.

01:22:23.000 So many people thought that the health experts in this country were literally just trying to make people healthy.

01:22:29.000 You didn't realize, like, oh, no, no, no, no.

01:22:31.000 They're trying to prop up the pharmaceutical drug cartel and they're trying to make as much money as humanly possible.

01:22:37.000 And the only way to do that is to force compliance.

01:22:39.000 And so they will do whatever they can.

01:22:40.000 They will keep you from flying.

01:22:41.000 They'll keep you from driving.

01:22:42.000 They'll keep you from going to school.

01:22:44.000 You can't work.

01:22:44.000 If you have more than 100 employees, everyone has to get vaccinated.

01:22:48.000 They were doing crazy shit where you're like, you guys are really going for it. 0.88

01:22:52.000 And it worked. 0.99

01:22:54.000 It worked for quite a while.

01:22:55.000 But boy, did it ruin young people's perspective of authority.

01:23:00.000 Completely.

01:23:00.000 They don't trust anybody anymore.

01:23:02.000 And with good reason.

01:23:04.000 Well, I think it damaged them most.

01:23:07.000 Negative for them.

01:23:08.000 Yeah.

01:23:08.000 I mean, our National Health Service was forcing people to have the injection.

01:23:10.000 You had to work in the National Health Service, you had to have the jabs. 0.96

01:23:14.000 And it didn't work. 1.00

01:23:14.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:23:15.000 It didn't work.

01:23:16.000 That's what's crazy.

01:23:17.000 It's actually worse than that, Joe.

01:23:18.000 It didn't work.

01:23:18.000 It created major medical problems.

01:23:20.000 Right.

01:23:21.000 And I don't personally think we've seen the end of it yet.

01:23:23.000 So I've got a lot of friends who are fit.

01:23:25.000 They ended up having myocarditis, having strokes, having heart attacks.

01:23:30.000 And at the end of the day.

01:23:31.000 Everybody knows somebody that has a horrible reaction to it.

01:23:34.000 Everybody does.

01:23:35.000 Everyone.

01:23:35.000 Yeah.

01:23:36.000 And to people that say they don't, I've had conversations with people.

01:23:39.000 I don't know anybody out of side effects. 1.00

01:23:40.000 I'm like, fuck you for lying. 1.00

01:23:42.000 There's no way that's possible. 1.00

01:23:44.000 Unless you are the luckiest person in the world and you have an extremely small social circle, and out of that social circle, no one had a bad reaction, which is very unlikely.

01:23:55.000 Unless that's true, like you're just lying.

01:23:59.000 And you're lying because you probably were supportive of the vaccine initially and you don't want to seem like you were on the wrong side of things.

01:24:06.000 Well, I lost friends.

01:24:07.000 I don't know about you because people said I hadn't been vaccinated and therefore I was a risk to their mom or their dad or their granny.

01:24:15.000 Yeah, I lost a bunch of people.

01:24:16.000 And I lost friends like that. 0.98

01:24:18.000 But, I mean, in countries like India, they didn't have the jab.

01:24:22.000 They used ivermectin to a far greater extent.

01:24:25.000 And that was just as effective.

01:24:29.000 I know.

01:24:30.000 I think I used to treat my cattle with ivermectin.

01:24:36.000 But it worked well.

01:24:39.000 And there were other treatments which worked far more.

01:24:42.000 Do you know what happened to me in America over ivermectin?

01:24:45.000 Are you aware of that?

01:24:46.000 No, no.

01:24:47.000 CNN, like for days, was running this hit piece on me saying that I was taking horse dewormer for COVID. 0.94

01:24:56.000 It is a worm.

01:24:57.000 Yeah, it is.

01:24:57.000 But it's also, you know, it's great for river blindness and dengue fever.

01:25:02.000 I mean, it won the Nobel Prize for use in human beings.

01:25:06.000 And they were claiming on CNN that I was taking veterinary medicine.

01:25:10.000 And not only that, but they changed the color of my face.

01:25:13.000 So they took a video.

01:25:14.000 I was supposed to do a concert with Dave Chappelle that weekend in Nashville.

01:25:18.000 And I had to make a video saying, I'm sorry, but we have to cancel it because I got COVID.

01:25:21.000 So I said, I had COVID like two days ago.

01:25:24.000 I was sick, but I'm fine now.

01:25:26.000 And I explained all the stuff that my doctor threw the kitchen sink at it.

01:25:29.000 We took all these different things.

01:25:30.000 And one of the things that I mentioned was ivermectin.

01:25:33.000 And because of me mentioning that, I also said monoclonal antibodies, ZPAC.

01:25:38.000 I talked about all the different IV vitamins.

01:25:40.000 I took a bunch of different stuff and I got better quick.

01:25:43.000 And they took the video and changed the color of my face to make me look green on CNN.

01:25:49.000 On CNN.

01:25:51.000 Well, CNN's not a good channel, is it?

01:25:53.000 I didn't know.

01:25:54.000 I didn't know until I saw that.

01:25:56.000 I was like, wow.

01:25:58.000 I was like, do I have to sue CNN?

01:26:00.000 Like, this is crazy.

01:26:01.000 So, is that Bill Hartzier when you're talking about with the eyes, the worm in the eyes? 0.98

01:26:01.000 Crazy. 0.98

01:26:05.000 Is that the Bill Hartzier you get from the water in Africa?

01:26:09.000 River blindness, I do not know what that is.

01:26:12.000 I think it's called Bill Hartzier.

01:26:13.000 I think I may be wrong.

01:26:14.000 You might be right.

01:26:15.000 But I know they also, it's used to treat yellow fever, dengue fever.

01:26:19.000 It's used to treat a bunch of different things.

01:26:22.000 But it also has antiviral properties that have been demonstrated.

01:26:26.000 Like there's papers on it.

01:26:27.000 And it's very cheap.

01:26:28.000 Yes.

01:26:29.000 But that's the problem.

01:26:30.000 The problem is.

01:26:32.000 Anybody can make it.

01:26:33.000 And you could buy it for like, it's like a dollar a pill or something like that.

01:26:36.000 It's nothing.

01:26:37.000 And that was the real problem is that, like, if you want to have the emergency use authorization of a vaccine that hasn't gone through the safety protocols in America, you have to have no other medications that are available that can treat it.

01:26:51.000 So the reason why they went after me on CNN was because clearly I was doing okay.

01:26:56.000 It was three days later, and I said I never got vaccinated.

01:26:59.000 So here's all the stuff that I took, and now I'm fine.

01:27:01.000 And they, Went crazy.

01:27:04.000 And it was this concerted campaign to try to destroy me.

01:27:07.000 Neil Young took his music off Spotify because he said he liked it.

01:27:10.000 He was on sound.

01:27:11.000 Because it said that I was promoting vaccine misinformation.

01:27:14.000 And he probably believed that.

01:27:15.000 He probably did believe that. 0.99

01:27:17.000 But he didn't know what the fuck he was talking about. 0.99

01:27:19.000 He's another old boomer that just watches the news. 0.99

01:27:21.000 Yes, I did use to like his music when I was in school there, didn't you?

01:27:25.000 I still love it.

01:27:25.000 I still listen.

01:27:26.000 I don't care.

01:27:27.000 I mean, I even told a story when I made the video about how when I was at a Neil Young concert, I was working at a Neil Young concert actually when I was 19.

01:27:36.000 And that was the last day on the job because a riot broke out.

01:27:39.000 And I was like, I'm a huge Neil Young fan.

01:27:40.000 Like, I don't care.

01:27:41.000 He just doesn't know.

01:27:43.000 Someone told him this, or he really thinks he's doing the right thing by removing his music.

01:27:47.000 Like, okay.

01:27:48.000 But what you're doing is you're supporting this machine that is lying to people and telling people the only way to get through this is to get vaccinated.

01:27:53.000 When in fact, there's real, like Uttar Pradesh in India, where it was just very low instances of COVID fatality.

01:28:02.000 All of it was through ivermectin.

01:28:04.000 Yeah, it's.

01:28:05.000 They had amazing success with just ivermectin.

01:28:08.000 But again, I think the state knows that it's caused damage.

01:28:11.000 I just don't think they can admit it at the moment.

01:28:13.000 No, they're not going to admit it.

01:28:14.000 They're never going to admit it.

01:28:15.000 They just gloss over it and move on. 0.99

01:28:16.000 And some of the same people that were promoting that shit on the news, they still deny it. 0.99

01:28:20.000 They still deny it. 0.99

01:28:20.000 And they've lost debates. 0.99

01:28:21.000 Like Chris Cuomo got destroyed by my buddy Dave Smith because of it.

01:28:25.000 Like they're in denial of the things that they were actually saying.

01:28:28.000 Yeah.

01:28:29.000 It's like fluoride in water and folic acid in bread and all this stuff. 0.99

01:28:32.000 All that shit. 1.00

01:28:33.000 It's all. 1.00

01:28:34.000 It's sort of man getting high on his own supply, isn't it, really?

01:28:34.000 Yeah.

01:28:39.000 Well, it's also a business.

01:28:40.000 That's the real problem is that there are lobbies in this country that want to continue making money the same way they've been making money.

01:28:49.000 And one of the ways they do it in America is they advertise on the networks.

01:28:55.000 So the pharmaceutical drug companies all advertise on all these networks, and they're an enormous part of the advertising budget.

01:29:01.000 I know in England that's not legal.

01:29:04.000 And it's only legal in America and in New Zealand.

01:29:06.000 Those are the only two countries that allow pharmaceutical drug companies to advertise on television.

01:29:10.000 What it effectively does is it stops all criticism of any side effects.

01:29:16.000 There's no stories on heart attacks.

01:29:18.000 There's no stories on strokes.

01:29:19.000 No stories on myocarditis.

01:29:21.000 Now, if they weren't advertising and then someone was making money off of something that was killing people, that's the news.

01:29:29.000 The news.

01:29:30.000 The news would be all over it, but they have effectively ruined their own reputation by turning a blind eye on something that everybody knows.

01:29:39.000 But do you think they're turning a blind eye?

01:29:40.000 I think they know.

01:29:41.000 I think they know, but they can't admit it.

01:29:43.000 I think they know.

01:29:44.000 The individuals most certainly must know someone who got something from COVID, from the COVID shot.

01:29:52.000 You know someone who had a stroke.

01:29:54.000 You know someone who's got a neurological condition.

01:29:56.000 I know way too many people for you to not know anybody.

01:29:59.000 I have two people that I know that have pacemakers now.

01:30:02.000 There's a lot of weird, horrible side effects that happen from that.

01:30:06.000 If you don't know anybody that had one, I don't believe you.

01:30:09.000 Well, I know loads.

01:30:10.000 I mean, my sister in law had myocarditis.

01:30:15.000 I've had a friend, my best friend had a stroke literally a week after having the jab.

01:30:20.000 People have had problems with heart arrhythmia.

01:30:23.000 Yeah.

01:30:23.000 All sorts of stuff.

01:30:25.000 And there's been some issues with blood, too.

01:30:27.000 Yeah.

01:30:28.000 So, look, I think, as usual, money probably goes to the root of it, Joe.

01:30:32.000 Absolutely.

01:30:33.000 Absolutely.

01:30:34.000 And we had something in Britain called the nudge team, which basically was, I mean, how the government thought that was okay.

01:30:39.000 It's a bit like when I was in football, people were hacking my phone and thought that was okay.

01:30:42.000 But with the nudge team, it was to nudge people into accepting the lockdown.

01:30:48.000 And it was effectively very clever manipulation of the population.

01:30:53.000 So look, I mean, you can't believe that the state thinks that's okay.

01:30:57.000 But they did.

01:30:58.000 They did.

01:30:59.000 Yeah.

01:30:59.000 They did.

01:31:00.000 And they did in America for, depending on which city you were in, to various extents.

01:31:06.000 Varying extents.

01:31:08.000 California was bad.

01:31:09.000 It was real bad.

01:31:10.000 I mean, they closed down all the comedy clubs.

01:31:13.000 They lost 70% of all the restaurants in Los Angeles.

01:31:16.000 I mean, it's crazy.

01:31:17.000 Yeah.

01:31:17.000 It's a great place to live, California, though.

01:31:19.000 What's that?

01:31:20.000 It's a great place to live, California.

01:31:22.000 That's why people still tolerate it.

01:31:23.000 I mean, if California had the weather of Seattle, it would be empty.

01:31:26.000 It would, yes.

01:31:27.000 You know what I mean?

01:31:28.000 It's like the reason why people are still there is because, God, it's so amazing.

01:31:32.000 And there's so many cool people there, and it's so nice, and the weather's incredible, and the views.

01:31:36.000 And you could be at the ocean, and then two hours later, you're in the mountains.

01:31:39.000 I mean, it's.

01:31:40.000 An amazing place.

01:31:41.000 It's an amazing place. 1.00

01:31:42.000 Filled with dumbasses. 1.00

01:31:42.000 I went there. 1.00

01:31:44.000 Yeah, it was socialist, Joe.

01:31:46.000 Unfortunately, it's been permeated to socialism. 0.98

01:31:48.000 That and grifters. 0.98

01:31:49.000 Grifters pretending to be socialist. 0.66

01:31:51.000 They're essentially those people with the wolf, with the sheep wrapped around them.

01:31:55.000 That's a large society.

01:31:56.000 Yeah.

01:31:57.000 That's a large portion of the government in Los Angeles and a large portion of the government in California in general. 0.99

01:32:02.000 And the way you know this is how wealthy those fucking people are and how it doesn't make sense how they're so wealthy. 0.97

01:32:08.000 You're making how much a year and you're worth how much? 0.99

01:32:11.000 Crime.

01:32:11.000 Yeah, crime.

01:32:12.000 They're doing crime.

01:32:14.000 One of the things that happened very recently is they just announced that the governor of California, one of the people on his staff, had been wearing a wire for over a year.

01:32:25.000 Did you see that story, Jamie?

01:32:30.000 I don't know what they got either.

01:32:30.000 What's that?

01:32:32.000 Well, no, no, I don't know what they got either, but this lady had been, see if you can find it, what it says.

01:32:37.000 But she had been wearing a wire.

01:32:39.000 She's working for the Gavin Newsom organization.

01:32:43.000 Yeah.

01:32:43.000 And, uh, She was working for the administration and she was wearing a wire for the FBI because they had been investigating him.

01:32:50.000 And this was during the Biden administration they started this.

01:32:52.000 So they started this in 2024. 0.99

01:32:55.000 If they're investigating him, it's supposed to be like they must know that some real shit is going down. 0.95

01:33:00.000 FBI infiltrated Gavin Newsom's inner circle by convincing governor's ally to wear a wire. 0.99

01:33:05.000 Yeah.

01:33:07.000 Not good.

01:33:08.000 Not good.

01:33:09.000 But I think it's the same in Chicago.

01:33:11.000 You've got some pretty bad spots.

01:33:13.000 San Francisco, I think, is not good.

01:33:16.000 It's a lot of people that are profiting off of this idea that the government should be taking care of everybody and you should be making all this money from taxes.

01:33:24.000 And then, you know, California spent $24 billion on the homeless and it just got worse.

01:33:30.000 It is like, and so now it's an industry.

01:33:32.000 So now you have this homeless, taking care of the homeless is now an industry.

01:33:35.000 And there's people on the homeless industry board that are making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year.

01:33:40.000 And it's like, what are we doing?

01:33:42.000 It's the same with compliance.

01:33:43.000 It's the same with, as you say, DEI.

01:33:46.000 Yeah.

01:33:46.000 There's a whole industry in the UK of people making vast amounts of money on, you know, compliance, DEI.

01:33:52.000 Yeah.

01:33:52.000 Basically wealth creation.

01:33:54.000 Which ultimately strips personal responsibility and tries to imbue everybody with a very sort of maligned philosophy, which is very damaging to them.

01:33:54.000 Yes.

01:34:05.000 Under the guise of being inclusive.

01:34:06.000 Correct.

01:34:07.000 And also, you're getting wealthy.

01:34:10.000 How many people from these nonprofits are getting enormously wealthy?

01:34:15.000 This is insane.

01:34:16.000 That was one of the things that USAID clearly uncovered.

01:34:18.000 I mean, I don't know if you've ever seen Mike Benz and some of his takes on it.

01:34:22.000 Yeah, and it's shocking.

01:34:24.000 There's so many hours of it.

01:34:24.000 I couldn't believe it.

01:34:26.000 It's almost like there's too much information to digest.

01:34:30.000 I could listen to like an hour of it.

01:34:31.000 I was like, I got to stop because I just don't know when this ends.

01:34:35.000 I'm not even absorbing this.

01:34:36.000 I'm just so flabbergasted by the extent of the corruption.

01:34:40.000 The amount of money that's gone to fraud and possibly waste over the years is just staggering.

01:34:46.000 But it also went all over the world, didn't it?

01:34:49.000 Oh, yeah.

01:34:49.000 It was a philosophy, a poor philosophy that was being exported to other countries, and particularly to Britain.

01:34:57.000 I mean, we have a presenter called Rory Stewart.

01:34:59.000 His wife was being funded by some of this stuff, which got shut down.

01:35:03.000 Did they shut the whole thing down?

01:35:05.000 Did they leave a remnant of it?

01:35:07.000 I don't know exactly how much they've left, but essentially it's been shut down. 0.88

01:35:10.000 Of course, if there was ever a Democrat that got elected president in 2028, it would probably start that bitch right back up, open the borders right back up, business as usual. 0.91

01:35:21.000 That would not be good, Jeff. 0.88

01:35:23.000 No, it seems like there was a desire to move people into blue states and then eventually get them on social assistance and then get them to become citizens, and then you have guaranteed voters.

01:35:36.000 Because you want to continue this, right?

01:35:39.000 You want to continue living like this?

01:35:40.000 Well, this is the way. 0.88

01:35:41.000 And then you would just completely take over the presidential elections.

01:35:44.000 And I think they were trying to do that.

01:35:46.000 This is Elon's perspective, and I think he's right.

01:35:48.000 And he's obviously much more aware of the problem in terms of the extent that USAID was involved and these nonprofits and NGOs were involved.

01:35:58.000 It seems like there was a concerted effort to do this.

01:36:01.000 And it's disturbing.

01:36:02.000 But again, a lack of respect for taxpayer funds, which is what we have in the UK.

01:36:08.000 I mean, we need your help at the moment you've got.

01:36:10.000 At least you're making a stab at returning to some form of normality. 0.99

01:36:14.000 For now, but if we don't fuck it, I mean, we might have fucked it up by going to Iran. 0.98

01:36:18.000 I mean, this war is not something anybody that's conservative wanted. 0.99

01:36:22.000 Most people don't want it, except supporters of Israel.

01:36:25.000 They're the only people that seem to be thinking it's a good idea in this country.

01:36:29.000 Most people are horrified by the idea because Trump was elected.

01:36:33.000 One of the pillars that he stood for, apparently, was that he doesn't want any more wars.

01:36:39.000 Well, he was.

01:36:40.000 I came out against it on the basis for us of realpolitik, which is it wasn't in the interests of the British nation.

01:36:46.000 And I think, again, most of these leaders should put the interests of their taxpaying public first.

01:36:52.000 And there's only a reason to go to war if it's going to benefit you.

01:36:57.000 And it was difficult to see what the benefit was. 0.93

01:37:00.000 Although I think Iran is a sort of malevolent state and it is spreading very bad philosophy across. 0.96

01:37:09.000 Bad philosophy across, obviously, you know, you've got Hezbollah in Lebanon, and then we've got Hamas causing a problem. 0.99

01:37:18.000 So I think they are a problem, but certainly from our point of view, I mean, you're the only country with the ability to do anything about it. 1.00

01:37:26.000 I mean, we had one warship which didn't work properly when it was sent out to help.

01:37:32.000 So, I mean, goodness knows, we've spent all our money on welfare and not enough money on defense.

01:37:38.000 So, no, we need help, and I think. 0.93

01:37:43.000 To your point, Elon Musk has been, to my mind, incredibly helpful in restoring free speech because Starmer and these Fabians, Fabian Pabloist Haldane Society, as I call them, they've all got this malign philosophy. 0.80

01:38:01.000 And I think what giving us free speech has done is it's stopped them crushing the spirit of those people who do want to debate, who do want to discuss, who do want to get at the truth. 0.69

01:38:12.000 Reverend, they've done so much to stop free speech with all these arrests.

01:38:15.000 It's extraordinary.

01:38:16.000 Because they've also incentivized people to keep their mouths shut because no one wants to be in trouble.

01:38:20.000 Well, it's two tier policing.

01:38:23.000 You've got, to your point about the Palestinian marches are tolerated, whereas any form of Tommy Robinson march, and Tommy Robinson in the UK, he's deeply disliked by the establishment.

01:38:37.000 I give him credit for what he did.

01:38:39.000 Again, on the grooming gangs in 2003, he was warning about this in 2003 in Luton.

01:38:45.000 Not only that, I remember people dismissing that.

01:38:48.000 In 2003 or 2004, whenever it was when I first heard about it, they were talking about him as this horrible far right extremist.

01:38:57.000 I know.

01:38:58.000 And that he was making up these stories about these grooming gangs and rape gangs.

01:39:03.000 I remember hearing that.

01:39:04.000 I remember not knowing, like, what is it?

01:39:07.000 What's accurate here?

01:39:07.000 Like, what's going on?

01:39:08.000 Well, I think the accuracy is that he was right.

01:39:11.000 The establishment didn't want to admit it because if we're right, well, I think we are right about their multicultural post war experiment, they realized it was failing. 0.98

01:39:21.000 Because you can't justify the sort of abuse and grooming of the most vulnerable people in your society by people who've come into the country.

01:39:32.000 They should be treated equally under the law.

01:39:35.000 A rape is a rape.

01:39:36.000 It doesn't matter whether it's perpetrated by somebody from a Muslim country or a Christian country. 0.99

01:39:42.000 Rape is rape, and it should be treated the same. 1.00

01:39:44.000 What would you do to stop this? 0.93

01:39:46.000 Imagine if you got into power right now.

01:39:48.000 What would you do to put a stop to that?

01:39:51.000 Well, we have to root it out, and we have to stop it.

01:39:54.000 How do you apply the law?

01:39:56.000 The law of our land to the people who are perpetrating it.

01:40:00.000 The problem is the police have institutionally been taught that they are racist.

01:40:06.000 And we had the Stephen Lawrence killing, which didn't reflect well on the UK.

01:40:12.000 But the response to it has created this fear of being called a racist.

01:40:16.000 Which is the Stephen Lawrence killing?

01:40:18.000 Stephen Lawrence was killed, I think it was in the late 90s.

01:40:21.000 He was stabbed by some sort of British miscreants.

01:40:25.000 And where was he from?

01:40:28.000 He died.

01:40:28.000 It was in London.

01:40:29.000 Where was Stephen Lawrence from? 0.97

01:40:31.000 Well, he was a black. 1.00

01:40:32.000 Oh, okay. 0.94

01:40:34.000 So it's a racial hate crime? 0.69

01:40:35.000 It was a racial hate crime. 0.67

01:40:36.000 Okay.

01:40:37.000 And this is in the 90s.

01:40:38.000 And it was blown up.

01:40:38.000 And again, you find that the racial hate crime involving any white people is now blown up, whereas the very often and increasingly common acts against the indigenous white people are hushed up as much as they possibly can be.

01:40:53.000 That's a funny thing to say, indigenous white people. 0.74

01:40:55.000 Yeah.

01:40:56.000 And I mean, it is real for England.

01:40:58.000 But I mean, nobody thinks about that.

01:41:00.000 In America, you would never say like indigenous white people.

01:41:03.000 Well, we do have an identity, Joe.

01:41:06.000 Yeah, of course.

01:41:06.000 There's a reason why everyone's so pale.

01:41:08.000 Yeah, we do have an identity. 0.59

01:41:11.000 It really is indigenous.

01:41:12.000 As I say, we've been very tolerant of people who've needed help.

01:41:15.000 We've let them into the country.

01:41:17.000 On the whole, they have integrated and they have contributed.

01:41:19.000 I have no problem with that, like you.

01:41:22.000 I'm absolutely in favor of that.

01:41:23.000 The only problem is the people that aren't integrating.

01:41:25.000 If people don't want to come and live and integrate and contribute, then they shouldn't come. 1.00

01:41:31.000 They should remain in their own country. 1.00

01:41:32.000 It's also the idea of incentivizing people to illegally migrate to your country is just pure insanity.

01:41:37.000 You're going to run out of money.

01:41:39.000 And you're also putting a burden on these taxpayers for no reason whatsoever.

01:41:43.000 It's a bad use of their tax dollars.

01:41:45.000 But in our immigration document, we put forward the case for basically a hostile environment.

01:41:51.000 We don't want to be handing out welfare. 1.00

01:41:53.000 We don't want to be encouraging people to come. 1.00

01:41:57.000 We want to create a hostile environment and encourage people to go, unless they're contributing, to go back to their own country and live there, particularly if they don't like our culture and our laws and they don't respect us and they think we're the infidel. 1.00

01:42:10.000 But do laws exist that would allow you to export? 0.94

01:42:14.000 To deport those people? 0.84

01:42:15.000 Well, you'd have to repeal.

01:42:17.000 So that's why it's so important we win an overall majority in Parliament by 29, because then we can repeal a lot of this legislation, which will then empower the nation state again.

01:42:29.000 So this is the legislation that provides health care, dental, welfare, housing.

01:42:34.000 This is legislation largely passed by Tony Blair and his acolytes.

01:42:41.000 And this was all just to encourage mass migration?

01:42:43.000 I think it was to encourage this. 0.96

01:42:46.000 Mass immigration and make it very difficult to stop it practically. 1.00

01:42:50.000 Interestingly, he's quite crafty because he came out the other day trying to distance himself from a lot of the things that he has actually created. 1.00

01:42:59.000 So he's quite a canny old fox.

01:43:02.000 And he does look, he looks a bit like Beelzebub these days.

01:43:05.000 I mean, he's got this white hair and these piercing sort of eyes.

01:43:08.000 I can't help looking at him and think of evil.

01:43:12.000 But look, so he ultimately, I think, him and his team realize.

01:43:18.000 They realised what they were doing.

01:43:21.000 And it was all done through the law.

01:43:23.000 You have to do it in a country that believes in the rule of law, the only way to change it is through control of parliament.

01:43:29.000 So you have to do it top down through the parliamentary system so that you can repeal the laws and you can pass the laws you want to pass to empower the nation state.

01:43:40.000 And at the same time, which we're doing, you need to start controlling local government as well because local government's gone badly wrong.

01:43:46.000 And a lot of the failures from the rape gang inquiry weren't just.

01:43:50.000 The national government, you had failure at local government as well. 0.97

01:43:55.000 So, are the local government willfully ignorant?

01:43:57.000 Are they denying its existence? 0.97

01:43:59.000 Are they gaslighting people on it?

01:44:01.000 Yeah, in the case of Labour, they've enabled it.

01:44:04.000 I say, I can't see how anybody can ever vote Labour again after they've read this report because Labour has clearly enabled this, both at national level by denying what's been going on and at local level where you have local government turn it, it happens mainly in Labour controlled areas.

01:44:23.000 You've got people denying completely that this has been happening, whereas we know it's happening.

01:44:31.000 We have people like Sammy Woodhouse, who is a victim of it, who had a child by her rapist.

01:44:35.000 So ultimately, local government has to be controlled from the bottom up.

01:44:42.000 And we started that process.

01:44:43.000 We won nine out of nine county council seats in Norfolk.

01:44:47.000 So my constituency is on the coast in England, so it's a coastal constituency.

01:44:52.000 Been very badly served by the post war elite.

01:44:56.000 So the fishermen in England have been sold down the river.

01:44:59.000 Sold down the river largely to the European fishermen as part of the membership of the EU.

01:45:05.000 So, Norfolk is a county on the east coast.

01:45:10.000 It's got rich farmland, and farming is my passion.

01:45:13.000 I love farming.

01:45:14.000 It's my hobby, and I love it.

01:45:17.000 So, at the end of the day, we have to control local government and change it bottom up, and we have to then get control of national government and change it top down.

01:45:26.000 And if we can do that, Joe, I truly think, I truly think we can release.

01:45:26.000 I would imagine.

01:45:31.000 The spirit of the British people, and I think they want it.

01:45:34.000 But they've got to show, they've got to show to the ballot box that that's what they want.

01:45:37.000 I'd imagine there's going to be an enormous amount of resistance to this kind of huge change.

01:45:43.000 From organized crime, which I think we're now in the hands of, from a corrupt judiciary, from a police force that's gone wrong, from local government that's gone wrong, the NHS has gone wrong.

01:45:54.000 Again, it's a state monopoly, and its original function, I think, has been subverted.

01:46:02.000 So you've got.

01:46:03.000 You've got everything to your point.

01:46:05.000 The education system is wrong, so there's a lot of change that needs to happen, but I think fundamentally, the electorate you saw them in 2016 vote to take back their sovereignty.

01:46:16.000 The government wrote a letter to all the households in the Uk recommending they vote to remain in the European Union.

01:46:24.000 This is David Cameron.

01:46:26.000 But actually the British people didn't.

01:46:28.000 They voted to leave and they didn't do it, I think for financial reasons.

01:46:32.000 They did it because they wanted their country back.

01:46:34.000 They wanted their sovereignty back.

01:46:36.000 They wanted an accountable parliament in Westminster, And some of our problems emanate from the fact that Tony Blair's reforms have undermined our parliament.

01:46:45.000 So our parliament is supposed to be omnipotent.

01:46:47.000 It's supposed to be completely contained in the elected representatives of the people.

01:46:52.000 So parliament is supposed to be right at the top of the chain.

01:46:57.000 But what's happened is it's been undermined by these quangos that Tony Blair set up, which is effectively created at the life of the Supreme Court.

01:47:05.000 And literally, there are hundreds of these quangos that now employ unelected people. 0.68

01:47:11.000 What is that word, quango?

01:47:12.000 Well, Quango is like a quasi national government organization.

01:47:17.000 So they are, you know, you've got all sorts of bodies, you know, the sort of Bar Standards Board, you've got loads of bodies which now prevail.

01:47:28.000 You know, you've got bodies on almost everything, which again have flourished since Tony Blair's legislation.

01:47:34.000 Prior to that, power lay with Parliament.

01:47:39.000 So that's why they've been able to control a lot of what goes on because the two party system, the Blues and the Reds, the Tories and Labour, Basically, have tried to out-compete each other.

01:47:51.000 So, the entire parliament, Blair took it left, Cameron emulated Blair, and you didn't actually get proper conservative thought to change a lot of this stuff that was wrong.

01:48:05.000 So, I think this is an opportunity, and I think it's our last opportunity, and all the help we can get from you guys.

01:48:14.000 I mean, we made a bad mistake in letting you declare your independence.

01:48:18.000 Which you're celebrating tomorrow in the first place.

01:48:21.000 Had we played our cards better, I think you'd still be, you should still be part of what's going on.

01:48:26.000 I think it worked out.

01:48:28.000 It's worked out pretty well for you.

01:48:29.000 Not so well for us.

01:48:29.000 You're better off.

01:48:31.000 Sorry, but I think we're better off.

01:48:32.000 But I do want to see.

01:48:34.000 Otherwise, it would be under your laws.

01:48:37.000 Well, I do want to see the Anglo Saxon world support each other. 0.93

01:48:40.000 I think there's not enough of that. 0.97

01:48:41.000 We're too fragmented.

01:48:43.000 There's too much sort of, whether it's the World Economic Forum, as I said, whatever the reason, there's too much fragmentation and too much undermining.

01:48:53.000 Of this cohesive Anglo Saxon world, which let's face it, is the reason why we all have individual freedom because, as we said earlier, individual freedom is incredibly fragile.

01:49:04.000 We could lose it at any minute, Joe.

01:49:06.000 I mean, the society that, you know, the way we look at America when people look at it the right way or when people are proud of America, they look at it as a place where anybody can come and achieve your dreams.

01:49:19.000 And it doesn't mean only white people, it doesn't mean only black people, it just means Americans.

01:49:24.000 We're supposed to be a community, a team.

01:49:27.000 And the fact that we're a melting pot, that we're not like indigenous white people like England, is part of the fun of it all, that everyone's welcome. 0.72

01:49:35.000 Just come over here and do your thing and follow the rules. 0.68

01:49:40.000 But the problem with this country is the problem with any country when you're being run by people that are completely corrupt and you're being run by people that are influenced by enormous corporations that don't care about the people, that only care about the bottom line, how much money they're making, and how do they rig things.

01:49:58.000 And then you have politicians that are making $170,000 a year, but they're somehow worth $400 million.

01:50:03.000 And no one questions it, and no one's in jail.

01:50:05.000 The whole thing is bonkers.

01:50:07.000 And it's just you're always going to have crooks, and you've got to hold them off.

01:50:11.000 You've got to hold them off as much as possible.

01:50:13.000 When you recognize they're in, you've got to do a cleaning.

01:50:15.000 You've got to clean house.

01:50:16.000 You've got to clean house and get rid of them.

01:50:17.000 If you don't, the problem's just going to get worse because they're going to figure out, okay, it's just like antibiotics when you don't take the full round and the stuff doesn't really go down.

01:50:26.000 You're saying, no, now you've got medication resistant bacteria.

01:50:29.000 Congratulations, your medication has made the bacteria worse.

01:50:33.000 So, if you fight off the corruption a little bit and then you stop, they go, Oh, well, we got up, we were close.

01:50:40.000 We almost figured it all out and got it all rigged.

01:50:44.000 But now we got to make sure that we lock people down and have even more laws, even more restrictions.

01:50:51.000 Well, you've summed up what we need to do in the UK very well.

01:50:54.000 I mean, we are, I think, in the hands of organized crime.

01:50:56.000 I think a lot of the institutions that we had previously have become.

01:51:01.000 I think it's the right way to recognize it, too.

01:51:03.000 It's in the.

01:51:04.000 And to your point, we do need to now punish people who've let us down.

01:51:08.000 It's crime.

01:51:08.000 It really is crime.

01:51:09.000 And to just pretend because it's been going on for so long and that it's business as usual that it's not a crime.

01:51:15.000 No, it's crime.

01:51:17.000 It's crime.

01:51:17.000 It's just somehow or another crime that's tolerated.

01:51:20.000 Well, letting down people who've elected you and given their trust to you is a massive crime.

01:51:28.000 Not just letting down, betraying them.

01:51:31.000 to a lesser extent because you've obviously got far more wealth than us but you see these officials who end up becoming rich and you wonder how they do it.

01:51:42.000 And they're on salaries and they're taxed heavily and yet they always seem to flourish.

01:51:47.000 They never seem to be short of money. 0.87

01:51:48.000 So I look at our judiciary which is again now a quango. 1.00

01:51:53.000 The judges are no longer appointed by Parliament. 0.99

01:51:57.000 They're appointed by this woke quango. 1.00

01:51:59.000 And I had an issue in Parliament. 1.00

01:52:02.000 I challenged Parliament because To the point where I've been saying we need to return power to Parliament, they have this body called the ICGS, Independent Complaint Agreement Scheme.

01:52:17.000 And in Parliament, we have this system called parliamentary privilege.

01:52:20.000 So I can speak on the floor of the House and I can't be sued for libel.

01:52:24.000 You can say whatever you want.

01:52:26.000 That's the essence of free speech in the Chamber of the Commons.

01:52:29.000 Now, this body has actually been expressly taken outside Parliament.

01:52:34.000 And the case I had against them was.

01:52:37.000 They tried to say, I couldn't, I caught them doing something I thought was wrong and I wanted to take them to court.

01:52:42.000 them to court.

01:52:44.000 They said, you can't take us to court because we're parliamentary privileged, even though it doesn't, it's not the chamber, it's not an MP speaking, it's got no MPs on this committee, it doesn't report to a parliamentary committee, and yet the judge found they had parliamentary privilege.

01:52:58.000 Didn't address the questions.

01:53:01.000 So this is how the elected assembly has been undermined.

01:53:05.000 And this is what we have to, we have to return power to the elected representatives of the people.

01:53:10.000 There's also another thing that Britain has done recently that's Very disturbing, which is to eliminate jury trials for a lot of things.

01:53:19.000 They're trying to do that.

01:53:19.000 Yeah.

01:53:19.000 They're trying to do that.

01:53:20.000 So it's not established yet?

01:53:22.000 They haven't yet done it because there are still a few decent Labour MPs who fought against it.

01:53:29.000 Oh, good.

01:53:31.000 But again, I think that's all a manifestation of organised crime because if you control the judges, of course, and you can force more and more people through a judge.

01:53:44.000 Rather than a jury system.

01:53:46.000 And so for libel trials, I fought a libel trial when I was in football against the Times, which is Rupert Murdoch's paper.

01:53:56.000 And you know, I think I had my phones hacked and I fought a libel trial against them.

01:54:02.000 So the newspaper hacked your phone?

01:54:04.000 When I was in football, they were hacking my phone every day.

01:54:06.000 Wow.

01:54:07.000 Listening in through my voicemails.

01:54:07.000 How were they doing it?

01:54:10.000 And then they can blag a number from the voicemail and start listening.

01:54:10.000 How'd they do it?

01:54:13.000 So if you called me and left a message, they could blag your number off my phone.

01:54:17.000 And they thought this was okay.

01:54:18.000 These were national newspapers.

01:54:20.000 And again, I wanted to get into your voicemail.

01:54:22.000 Well, because they, in the old days, you know, if people had a code to encrypt their phone and they didn't do it properly.

01:54:30.000 So we had 0000.

01:54:31.000 If you didn't change that, they got into your phone, right?

01:54:34.000 So they got into my phone, they got into lots of people's phones.

01:54:37.000 Because you'd never know quite how they did it.

01:54:37.000 Wow.

01:54:39.000 So if you'd left me a message, they could blag your number.

01:54:42.000 Right.

01:54:42.000 And then they'd start listening to your phone and everything else.

01:54:44.000 Now, I think, you know, that was, in this case, Murdoch.

01:54:48.000 But Murdoch, I think, has done a lot.

01:54:50.000 for the right-wing cause.

01:54:51.000 I don't always agree with everything, and I certainly didn't agree with him hacking phones.

01:54:56.000 But this all goes to the point of the establishment becoming corrupted.

01:55:02.000 And from corruption, I think, again, you end up with oppression.

01:55:09.000 And we need to sort that out.

01:55:11.000 And I'm hoping if I put myself up and the people agree, they will change things.

01:55:16.000 And I think they are in a febrile mood.

01:55:17.000 So I'm hoping that they will take the opportunity and give us the power to do it.

01:55:21.000 I'm glad you brought that part up because we're not really aware in America of what the general mood of the country is, like where people are leaning in what direction as far as England goes.

01:55:32.000 What is it like?

01:55:35.000 Is a large percentage of the population fed up?

01:55:38.000 I mean, what's going on over there?

01:55:39.000 Well, I think to your point, you've got this body of people who are profiting on the back of these concepts, which you and I would agree are completely flawed.

01:55:51.000 They're obviously in control at the moment.

01:55:53.000 But then you've got the body of people, this increasingly small percentage of what I call the private sector, which now accounts for a smaller and smaller proportion of GDP.

01:56:05.000 So your percentage of GDP accounted for by the state is much, much smaller than ours.

01:56:11.000 So our, I mean, directly and indirectly, I would estimate that the share of government now in our economy is over 50% if you take. 0.66

01:56:23.000 the effect of these quangos and everything else.

01:56:26.000 Here, you're much smaller than that.

01:56:27.000 Now, that's come, you know, pre-Blair, Thatcher, we were in a very, very good economic state, and the state accounted for, you know, what was it, 30, 33%, something like that.

01:56:40.000 It's now up to nearly 50% and rising. 0.63

01:56:43.000 And this is what the Fabians want.

01:56:45.000 They want a dependency culture, a sort of centrally planned USSR style dishing out of taxpayer funds.

01:56:55.000 So they've diminished the private sector, which they're taxing into oblivion, which has meant that a lot of our most able people have left the country.

01:57:02.000 So we've lost a lot of our rainmakers, have gone.

01:57:05.000 So a lot of our best people went to obviously Italy, to Dubai, to Abu Dhabi, all over the world.

01:57:12.000 Some of them would have come here.

01:57:14.000 So, the best brains have gone. 1.00

01:57:18.000 And I think the non DOMs have gone, which again I think is a huge error because they've now been taxed rather than being encouraged to spend their time in the UK. 1.00

01:57:28.000 So, we're being hollowed out by this socialist philosophy which is creating damage to the private sector and empowering the public sector. 0.98

01:57:42.000 Is there a large percentage of young people that are aware of this?

01:57:46.000 Oh, the young people have, I've been incredibly impressed and a lot of them support us.

01:57:52.000 So they, you know, they can see that we're trying, I think, to at least rebalance this.

01:57:58.000 And until we get this right, it's going to be very difficult to sort their situation out.

01:58:04.000 Now, there's no overnight fix these days and I don't know, I don't think any of us know quite what effect AI is going to have on the employment market, on opportunities for young people.

01:58:16.000 I mean, in many ways, if they've got a very good brain, they've got the.

01:58:20.000 a huge opportunity to do very well and enrich themselves.

01:58:24.000 But increasingly it's fewer and fewer people.

01:58:28.000 It's not like the Industrial Revolution where the majority of people had an increasing standard of living.

01:58:33.000 It's going to be very interesting to see how we all cope with this incredibly fast-moving revolution, which is what it is, which is arguably going to create some incredibly rich people.

01:58:48.000 And those people who haven't got the brain power will end up struggling.

01:58:52.000 So it's hard to see how that's going to end.

01:58:56.000 But that doesn't mean to say we want a state central planning everything.

01:59:00.000 We know historically that doesn't work.

01:59:04.000 And from that comes a sort of shutdown of thought and debate and free speech and all the things that you and I love.

01:59:13.000 I mean, to me, that's a country I want to live in.

01:59:16.000 I don't want to live in a centrally planned mess.

01:59:20.000 So we're in very uncertain times, but I'm optimistic that if you release the ability, the innate ability of people in Britain in particular in this case, I think we can turn it around still.

01:59:36.000 Can't guarantee it, but I'm pretty sure we can still turn it around.

01:59:39.000 It's got to happen now.

01:59:40.000 If it doesn't happen now, it would have gone too far.

01:59:43.000 Well, I certainly hope you can because for America, when we see what's happening, particularly with the social media posts and the arrests, it's so disturbing for us.

01:59:52.000 And then, of course, with the rape gang inquiry report, Impossible to believe.

02:00:00.000 It's impossible.

02:00:01.000 So, you know, we hope you guys turn it around.

02:00:06.000 And when are your elections?

02:00:08.000 We don't know, Joe.

02:00:10.000 We've got this character, Andy Burnham, who Keir Starmer has stepped down, as you probably know.

02:00:17.000 Andy Burnham, I call him the Ghostbuster.

02:00:20.000 He is just a more user friendly version of Keir Starmer.

02:00:26.000 He's been the mayor of Manchester.

02:00:28.000 He stood in a by election recently where he was elected.

02:00:33.000 And he's apparently going to be anointed as Prime Minister by the 20th of July.

02:00:40.000 So this is a guy who, up until recently, wasn't even an elected politician.

02:00:45.000 He's been a politician in the past, he's been in the cabinet.

02:00:48.000 Keir Starmer can just step down and put another guy in his place and that guy takes over?

02:00:53.000 That's what's happening.

02:00:54.000 That sounds crazy. 1.00

02:00:56.000 What a stupid. 1.00

02:00:56.000 I know. 1.00

02:00:57.000 Stupid way to run things. 1.00

02:00:59.000 It's bonkers. 1.00

02:01:01.000 So the answer to your question is he could run till 29.

02:01:06.000 That's the backstop date.

02:01:08.000 He could, and everybody says he might, have a snap election.

02:01:12.000 I think that's highly unlikely.

02:01:14.000 Labour have got the biggest post war majority.

02:01:16.000 Why would he have a snap election?

02:01:18.000 He's got three years left with a huge majority.

02:01:20.000 So why would he take a risk?

02:01:23.000 In Manchester, he was Manchester mayor.

02:01:27.000 He's actually. in the report, in the rape gang report.

02:01:29.000 He's mentioned in the rape gang report for not doing enough in Manchester, which is a centre of rape gangs.

02:01:38.000 So he's involved in that.

02:01:40.000 He's mentioned in our report.

02:01:42.000 It's in there.

02:01:44.000 So look, I think in answer to your question, when's the election going to be?

02:01:48.000 Some people would say he's going to have an election soon.

02:01:50.000 I don't agree with that.

02:01:51.000 I think he'd be mad because I still think the public will judge Labour harshly.

02:01:58.000 Because the economy is not going well.

02:02:00.000 People aren't feeling richer.

02:02:01.000 They're feeling poorer.

02:02:03.000 Their businesses are struggling.

02:02:04.000 Their taxes have gone up.

02:02:06.000 Our taxes are at post war highs now.

02:02:09.000 So, and the waste is just off the scale.

02:02:11.000 So, when I'm in the Public Accounts Committee, which I sit in, again, it's all on, you can watch it on, people watch it on screens.

02:02:20.000 It's the Public Accounts Committee, it's the most powerful committee in Parliament, and we question these civil servants to try and hold them to account for the taxpayer.

02:02:28.000 The waste is just off the scale.

02:02:30.000 So, you've got a wasteful, inefficient state.

02:02:33.000 Which is then taxing the private sector into oblivion, the increasingly small private sector.

02:02:40.000 And that's not a recipe that's going to encourage risk-taking investment.

02:02:45.000 It's not going to, you know, they're taxing family farms.

02:02:47.000 They're taxing family businesses for the first time.

02:02:50.000 They're basically breaking the backbone of Britain to the Fabian point.

02:02:54.000 They are enacting this Fabian agenda, which is designed to create a society that's reliant on the state.

02:03:02.000 I don't want that.

02:03:03.000 Nobody should want that.

02:03:05.000 Well, listen, man, thank you very much for being here.

02:03:07.000 I really appreciate it.

02:03:08.000 I really appreciate you taking the time.

02:03:10.000 I know it was difficult to get here for this day, and this is the only day we had open.

02:03:13.000 No, it's very kind of you to have me on, Joe, and I know it's some big celebrations tomorrow.

02:03:18.000 Good luck to you.

02:03:19.000 Yeah, we're going to win.

02:03:21.000 I'm amazed at the support we've got, and I'm amazed at the number of people who, even on the plane, come up to me and thank me for what I'm doing and say they're going to vote for us.

02:03:32.000 And I think Britain's on the turn, and hopefully, if we.

02:03:37.000 If we put up shop, tell them what we're going to do, give them a chance to vote for us.

02:03:41.000 If they vote for us, I shall do my best to change things.

02:03:44.000 If they don't vote for me, well, that's their prerogative.

02:03:47.000 That's democracy.

02:03:49.000 Good luck, sir.

02:03:50.000 Thank you.

02:03:51.000 All right.

02:03:51.000 Pleasure.

02:03:52.000 Bye.

The Joe Rogan Experience - July 08, 2026

Joe Rogan Experience #2524 - Rupert Lowe

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