The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2527 - MrBeast

00:00:02.000 Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out.

00:00:04.000 The Joe Rogan Experience.

00:00:06.000 Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

00:00:12.000 It must be very easy to get people to do your show.

00:00:16.000 Well, I mean, yeah, seeing how we give away millions of dollars, it's.

00:00:20.000 Yeah, usually people are very excited about it.

00:00:23.000 The only hard part for us is, you know, if it's a longer one, just the time off work.

00:00:27.000 Because sometimes when we shoot beast games or stuff, you know, it can go for a month.

00:00:32.000 But besides the work stuff, of course.

00:00:34.000 Are there people that haven't been able to do the show because they couldn't get a month off work?

00:00:38.000 Oh, yeah, tons, of course.

00:00:39.000 So we always have, like, even the day before, you know, sometimes people get cold feet.

00:00:43.000 So if we're doing something with 100 people, we'll usually have 10 backups just because, you know, the.

00:00:48.000 I would imagine that the type of person that would do your show would have a job that they could quit.

00:00:54.000 Well, yeah, I mean, I guess it depends, right?

00:00:57.000 Whether it's the YouTube channel where we're, you know, doing, you know, 100 families compete for $250,000 or it's Beast Games where they're competing for $5 million.

00:01:04.000 The $5 million.

00:01:05.000 People are way more excited for some of the you know the YouTube videos, it's not as like grandiose.

00:01:09.000 Where they're like, I don't know if I want to lose my job for a 1% chance of winning 250k.

00:01:14.000 So, well, how many people when you do beast games, how many people are competing?

00:01:18.000 So, the newest season we just shot, we grabbed one person from every country on earth, so it was around whoa, yeah, which I was actually pretty cool because you would put them in these like crazy games and you'd see how someone from like the Asian, you know, Pacific countries would react versus to like someone in South America and they play and think so differently because they have such different upbringings.

00:01:36.000 So, it was really cool.

00:01:38.000 Did you have to?

00:01:39.000 I mean, you must have had to thoroughly vet these people, right?

00:01:42.000 Make sure they're not insane.

00:01:44.000 Make sure you don't have a serial killer.

00:01:46.000 We do the psych and background checks, of course.

00:01:48.000 How do you get that information if you're going?

00:01:48.000 No.

00:01:51.000 I mean, if you have.

00:01:52.000 How many countries are there, first of all?

00:01:53.000 It's 190.

00:01:55.000 We went off of whatever the Olympics do, so it's like something around 200.

00:01:59.000 Yeah, plus or minus a couple. 0.80

00:02:01.000 So some of them have to have some shitty infrastructure.

00:02:04.000 Oh, I mean, I think one of them has literally 40,000 people living in it.

00:02:07.000 Like, it was.

00:02:08.000 What is it?

00:02:09.000 Not the.

00:02:10.000 Something sea islands, not the Cayman Islands, but some island country.

00:02:14.000 And yeah, I was like, wow, like my town, which has 100,000 people, is two and a half times the population of your country.

00:02:20.000 Well, I was joking with the contestant because I was like, if you win the $5 million, you could technically give a $200 dividend to every single person in your country.

00:02:28.000 It's like, it's that crazy.

00:02:29.000 It's that little people living there.

00:02:30.000 Wow. 0.98

00:02:31.000 Yeah.

00:02:32.000 That's the kind of country you're like, I wonder if you could buy that country.

00:02:36.000 I mean, the GDP is probably, you know, a couple hundred million dollars if I were to guess.

00:02:41.000 Like someone like Elon or something like that could buy a car.

00:02:42.000 Not even Elon.

00:02:43.000 There's probably thousands of people in America that could.

00:02:45.000 I mean, I feel bad.

00:02:46.000 People from that country listening to us.

00:02:48.000 Well, we didn't say the country.

00:02:49.000 Okay, true, true.

00:02:50.000 We didn't say it.

00:02:50.000 We're good.

00:02:51.000 Exactly.

00:02:52.000 They should know what they are.

00:02:52.000 It's not yours.

00:02:54.000 Yeah.

00:02:55.000 They're a country of 40,000 people.

00:02:56.000 That's just what it is.

00:02:57.000 Nothing wrong with that.

00:02:58.000 But it is weird how many countries there are.

00:03:02.000 And if you've got a person from every country, what are the odds you're going to get good data as to whether or not they're a criminal?

00:03:10.000 Well, that's why, I mean, if you saw like our.

00:03:13.000 Budgets on what I have to spend on casting those people.

00:03:15.000 It was ridiculous to be able to get them all because basically, what we did is we grab multiple options for each country. 1.00

00:03:20.000 And what I was worried about is that, like, the contestant from blank country would suck, and then the country would be like, Jimmy, you hate us, and you purposely picked this, you know, absolute moron. 0.94

00:03:31.000 So we would pick two or three from each country, and then we let people from those countries vote on who should compete. 0.96

00:03:37.000 So it wasn't even one, I had to get multiple from each.

00:03:39.000 So I think I ended up spending over a million dollars just on, you know, aggregating and casting and background checks and everything.

00:03:45.000 And then putting it out there so people can vote on it. 0.99

00:03:47.000 But that way, you know, whatever, like Georgia and Europe, if that guy's an absolute moron, it's on them. 1.00

00:03:52.000 They picked him, you know. 1.00

00:03:53.000 That's actually very smart.

00:03:53.000 Right.

00:03:55.000 How did you come up with the concept for this show?

00:03:55.000 Exactly.

00:03:58.000 First of all, how the fuck do you have time to do that show as well as do your YouTube show? 0.94

00:04:04.000 Yeah, I just don't sleep much during those because, like, Beast Games basically is 30 days of just, you know, 18 hours a day filming. 0.95

00:04:12.000 And so, for people who might not have heard of it, it's essentially the largest cash prize of any show in the world.

00:04:16.000 Season one, we had the most contestants of any show in the world and the largest sets of any show ever to exist.

00:04:21.000 And I was just like, what if you take, like, a reality show, but you just ramp everything up to the absolute maximum and, like, Like season one, we gave away $22 million just in one season, right?

00:04:31.000 And, you know, some of the biggest game shows in the world right now give away $250,000.

00:04:35.000 Like, we're giving away $2 million every episode.

00:04:38.000 Look at that.

00:04:38.000 Yeah.

00:04:39.000 All those people.

00:04:39.000 That's wild.

00:04:40.000 That's so crazy.

00:04:41.000 That set's amazing.

00:04:42.000 Yep.

00:04:43.000 And then we build a city. 1.00

00:04:44.000 And so, also, holy shit. 0.98

00:04:46.000 My whole thesis behind it with this is, you know, when you watch these game shows or reality shows, there's a lot of takeaways. 0.98

00:04:53.000 And, like, after the show, they'll put people in a room and they'll be like, hey, talk about what happened here.

00:04:57.000 And it's like, intercut.

00:04:59.000 And I was like, well, what if we just.

00:05:01.000 Have a thousand cameras, and we just let people be themselves and we kind of just show it in real time.

00:05:05.000 So, we also, like in season one, we broke the world record of most cameras ever used in any production of any movie, show, anything ever.

00:05:12.000 So, like this set right here, there's over 1,200 cameras in there.

00:05:17.000 And the most that room is so big, yeah, it's bigger than the football field.

00:05:21.000 And so, there's a thousand contestants.

00:05:23.000 We have to have an A cam on all of them, so there's like a pole on each of the platforms on them.

00:05:27.000 Plus, there's hundreds of cameras in the roof, and blah blah.

00:05:30.000 I think there's over 1,200 here, which Outside of this, the most ever used in production was 400.

00:05:34.000 So, like, I literally had to, and this might seem insane, but this is why I think the show appeals to quite a few people because normally in a show, they would have a story producer walk up to you, hold a camera, and be like, All right, you got three minutes.

00:05:46.000 You're kind of the bad guy.

00:05:48.000 Say roughly along these lines, almost basically put words in your mouth.

00:05:51.000 And then they'd go like person to person with like one camera.

00:05:54.000 Whereas I go in the microphone, I go, Say whatever the hell you want.

00:05:57.000 We're recording you for the next 10 hours.

00:05:58.000 I don't care.

00:05:59.000 Right.

00:05:59.000 And you all have a dedicated camera on you.

00:06:02.000 So then instead of like putting words in people's mouths, they can just, Do whatever they want.

00:06:05.000 So, do you have someone who actually has to go back and watch all that footage and edit it and then put it all out as a show?

00:06:11.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:06:12.000 How many people do you have doing your editing?

00:06:12.000 Well, this is why.

00:06:15.000 That season over 150 editors worked on it, yeah. 0.99

00:06:18.000 Holy shit. 0.99

00:06:19.000 It's crazy. 0.99

00:06:20.000 And that's obviously why people don't do it because it's like basically we had to spend millions of dollars in cameras.

00:06:25.000 It was the world record for most cameras ever used, which then we also broke the world record for most camera cables used because it's 27 miles of camera cables.

00:06:32.000 Broke the world record for largest control room.

00:06:33.000 Each of these is millions of dollars and you have to bring in millions of dollars of extra editors.

00:06:37.000 And so, next thing you know, You know, to take it from 10 cameras where you just essentially put words in people's mouths to unlimited cameras and they can do whatever you want.

00:06:45.000 You can show who they actually are as opposed to what you think they should be, right?

00:06:49.000 With the story producer, it costs a lot of money.

00:06:51.000 It's a lot of effort and time, but it shows through in the final product because now, you know, you get more natural, like less scripted things when people are just themselves.

00:06:59.000 You have a great ability to, like, see the big picture and a great ability to put together things regardless of what the budget is, like, regardless of how much money you're going to make to do the best product.

00:07:13.000 Like, I always thought that about you when you were doing, when you first started doing your YouTube show.

00:07:17.000 I'm like, the amount of money and time and effort involved in this is like above and beyond what most people are willing to do.

00:07:24.000 And it's way more than a traditional television network would ever do because a traditional television network would look at the upside, they would look at the money, and they would go, we're going to spend X amount of money to make it this much better.

00:07:38.000 But if we just take it down a couple of notches, we save 80%.

00:07:43.000 And they would do that.

00:07:44.000 But you're like, Can we make it even cooler?

00:07:46.000 Let's put all the money back into the show, which is very risky, man.

00:07:50.000 Because not just very risky, it's just very, you have great foresight.

00:07:57.000 Like, you really see the big picture of it.

00:07:59.000 Obviously, you have the number one show in the world.

00:08:01.000 Like, you have the most watched show on Earth.

00:08:04.000 You know, your YouTube show is the most watched show on planet Earth.

00:08:07.000 So, it's obviously working.

00:08:09.000 But it's like that ability to make that set must have been bananas. 0.99

00:08:15.000 That is a fucking enormous building. 0.98

00:08:18.000 Did you have to build the building? 0.99

00:08:20.000 No, so that's in Toronto, but it's basically an airport hangar.

00:08:23.000 I mean, we spent months trying to figure out.

00:08:25.000 How we could make this.

00:08:26.000 That also is like a thousand trap doors because every single one of those, the trap doors open when they get eliminated.

00:08:32.000 So that set alone was like $15 million.

00:08:35.000 I mean, it was crazy.

00:08:36.000 Oh my God.

00:08:36.000 Thousands of people's time and stuff like that.

00:08:39.000 It's actually, where we film Beast Games is actually a pretty big deal because it creates so many local jobs for people.

00:08:44.000 Oh, I'm sure.

00:08:45.000 Yeah, like there, it was like pretty wild.

00:08:48.000 Can you say where you film it or you keep it under arrest?

00:08:49.000 That one was Toronto, Canada.

00:08:51.000 Okay, cool.

00:08:52.000 And every time I'd walk around on set, people were loving it because even though we filmed for 30 days, there's months leading up to it and months after.

00:08:58.000 It gives people like, Consistent work for six months, whereas, like before, they're going project to project every week.

00:08:58.000 Sure.

00:09:03.000 But yeah, back on the going above and beyond, that's kind of my whole thing is like, why make content that isn't great?

00:09:09.000 And we just ask ourselves, how do we make the best content possible as opposed to, you know, how do we make the most money possible?

00:09:16.000 And when you just shockingly go on with that approach, you just kind of make a lot of money.

00:09:20.000 Yeah.

00:09:21.000 And well, and also, it's, I tell my team all the time, too, like a big difference between us and other media companies is, you know, usually like people at the top will always shoot down crazy ideas or tell you it's not possible.

00:09:31.000 Like, whenever you have like these crazy brainstorming sessions, And I tell the team, technically anything's possible.

00:09:37.000 If as humans we really wanted to, we could technically blow up the moon with enough nukes.

00:09:41.000 Now we're not going to do it because it's not worth the time and it's not worth spending the money.

00:09:44.000 But you have to have that frame of mind.

00:09:45.000 Everything's for the most part possible if you're willing to spend the time and spend the money.

00:09:49.000 So before you do the work and just figure out what time it takes and how much money it costs, you can't say no to something.

00:09:55.000 Because almost all the time, like we filmed in the pyramids and I spent 100 hours living in the pyramids of Egypt.

00:10:00.000 It was fucking awesome.

00:10:02.000 And, you know, for years, everyone's like, they're not going to let you, you know, live in the pyramids for a couple of days. 0.85

00:10:08.000 And I'm like, why not?

00:10:08.000 Like, That's crazy.

00:10:10.000 Like, did you get a no from the, you know, the leader of Egypt?

00:10:13.000 No.

00:10:14.000 Then I'm like, well, technically it's possible, you know?

00:10:16.000 And after years of talking with them and helping them understand that, you know, it's going to be more of an educational type video.

00:10:22.000 And it's not like I'm not going to run up the pyramids and take my shirt off and be like a lunatic.

00:10:26.000 It'll be really cool.

00:10:28.000 Eventually they came around to it and they loved the video and it worked really well.

00:10:31.000 And it's literally like I could go anywhere in the pyramids for 100 hours.

00:10:34.000 I went all the way up to the top of the middle pyramid.

00:10:36.000 We went underneath it.

00:10:38.000 It was really cool.

00:10:39.000 And I like tell my team, it's like, you know, Even some of my most veteran people, when we get these crazier ideas, their default reaction always is to go, I just don't think it's possible.

00:10:47.000 And I go, Look, it is.

00:10:49.000 Sometimes it's just time and money, you know?

00:10:51.000 And is it worth the effort? 0.94

00:10:52.000 The pyramid one must have been nuts.

00:10:54.000 Oh, it was crazy.

00:10:55.000 It was one of my favorite videos.

00:10:56.000 Is that your first time ever being there?

00:10:58.000 And so that made it even more special because I was learning things at the same time as I was just walking around.

00:10:58.000 Yeah, actually, it was.

00:11:04.000 And I'm going to be honest, it was like a year and a half ago, and it's all a little fuzzy because I was so tired.

00:11:09.000 I was just walking around all night, but it was pretty crazy and surreal.

00:11:12.000 And then going down into What's that tomb called where you go down the ladder and like a couple hundred feet underneath the pyramid?

00:11:21.000 I don't know.

00:11:23.000 Is that Osiris's?

00:11:24.000 Yes.

00:11:24.000 Yes, Osiris's.

00:11:25.000 Yeah.

00:11:25.000 And then it was like flooded and swimming around under there.

00:11:28.000 It was pretty wild.

00:11:29.000 Yeah.

00:11:30.000 Wow.

00:11:31.000 I feel like you should do something like that.

00:11:32.000 100%.

00:11:33.000 I need to go there.

00:11:34.000 I've been talking about going there for years.

00:11:36.000 I just, for me, it's just a time thing.

00:11:39.000 My time is so many different jobs.

00:11:42.000 It's not like one all consuming job like you have.

00:11:44.000 Yeah.

00:11:45.000 With me, it's like.

00:11:46.000 Commentary for the UFC, doing stand up comedy, doing the podcast, and also married with children.

00:11:51.000 So, like, I have a lot of responsibilities.

00:11:53.000 So, it's tough to just jet off for a really, ideally, if you're going to go to Egypt, I feel like you should go for like 10 days.

00:12:00.000 Yeah.

00:12:01.000 I feel like at least 10 days.

00:12:02.000 Do you think the, yeah, I feel like they, maybe honestly, realistic, like five days you could do it.

00:12:09.000 Yeah.

00:12:09.000 And, like, I'm curious, though, if they let you just like do a video where you walk around and go everywhere because I wonder.

00:12:14.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:12:15.000 Because, I've talked a lot of shit. 0.97

00:12:17.000 So, without saying it, I'm kind of implying I don't even know if they want you there. 0.98

00:12:17.000 Exactly. 0.98

00:12:23.000 Well, I never have said anything bad about it.

00:12:26.000 I just think that the people that run it have a very narrow minded perspective of how all that stuff was made.

00:12:34.000 And I don't think they really know.

00:12:36.000 And I think there's a lot of gatekeeping in terms of what the official narrative is.

00:12:43.000 It's like how it was all made and who made it and what it's all about.

00:12:46.000 That's why they're really hesitant.

00:12:48.000 To accept any alternative perspectives because they have a timeline and they attribute all this construction, and there's a lot of evidence that that timeline doesn't make any sense.

00:13:00.000 Did you check out the Sphinx?

00:13:00.000 Yeah.

00:13:02.000 Yeah.

00:13:02.000 And you can, you know, you can go underneath it and go in that little room.

00:13:05.000 Yeah.

00:13:05.000 Did you do that?

00:13:06.000 Which that's the stuff I feel like it would mean even more if you did.

00:13:06.000 Yeah.

00:13:10.000 You've talked to Dr. Zahi, right?

00:13:12.000 Yeah.

00:13:13.000 Did you have him on the show?

00:13:14.000 Yeah.

00:13:14.000 I had him on the show.

00:13:14.000 Yeah.

00:13:15.000 Good.

00:13:15.000 Okay.

00:13:15.000 Yeah.

00:13:16.000 And so he's obviously the guy.

00:13:16.000 Yeah.

00:13:19.000 So you should just call him and see.

00:13:20.000 Yeah, I'd rather go with somebody else.

00:13:24.000 I didn't listen to that episode, did I?

00:13:25.000 I'd rather go hang out with one of the historians that I know.

00:13:28.000 Graham Hancock?

00:13:29.000 Yeah, Graham Hancock would be the perfect guy to go with.

00:13:31.000 Yeah, you and Graham Hancock walking around?

00:13:33.000 Oh boy, there'd be some crazy stuff said.

00:13:36.000 Yeah, well, whatever happened in that part of the world during that time frame is pretty spectacular.

00:13:43.000 And it's kind of amazing that no one has ever achieved anything even remotely similar to it since.

00:13:48.000 And it's at least 4,500 years old.

00:13:48.000 Yeah.

00:13:51.000 That's just a guess, though.

00:13:53.000 They really don't know.

00:13:54.000 Yeah.

00:13:54.000 You know, it's a crazy place.

00:13:56.000 The fact that you got to film a show there is nuts.

00:13:59.000 I love how you call it a show.

00:13:59.000 Yeah.

00:14:00.000 And to me, it's just a YouTube video, but it's just funny.

00:14:03.000 It's a show.

00:14:04.000 Yeah, I know, of course.

00:14:05.000 And it makes sense because you do stuff with the UFC and in your world, a lot of it's called shows.

00:14:09.000 I mean, whatever it is, people are watching it.

00:14:10.000 Yeah, I know.

00:14:11.000 It's just funny to me.

00:14:13.000 I haven't heard it called that in years.

00:14:16.000 But yeah, that one was crazy.

00:14:17.000 And I mean, one thing that I'm really proud of that we did for season three of Beast Games, which I like in hindsight, I'm not even sure how we.

00:14:26.000 This one we pulled off.

00:14:27.000 So I want to see your reaction to this.

00:14:29.000 Okay.

00:14:29.000 So basically, the finale, where we have the $5 million, we have the final contestants.

00:14:36.000 We filmed it in the Roman Coliseum.

00:14:39.000 Whoa.

00:14:40.000 We crowned the winner of season three with the $5 million cash prize in the middle of the Roman Coliseum.

00:14:40.000 Yeah.

00:14:45.000 Played the first game there in over a thousand years.

00:14:48.000 Wow.

00:14:49.000 That's crazy.

00:14:51.000 I know.

00:14:52.000 I'm so grateful.

00:14:53.000 We just filmed that too.

00:14:55.000 So I'm like coming off the high and I just like.

00:14:57.000 Like, it almost makes, like, gives me tears.

00:14:59.000 Like, what we shot was so cool.

00:15:00.000 We had, like, a live orchestra at, like, the top ring of there, too.

00:15:04.000 So, like, as the game got dramatic, we would have them, like, play louder music and stuff.

00:15:08.000 It was, like, so surreal.

00:15:09.000 Like, there's multiple, because I've done really crazy things in my life, but there's multiple moments during that where I'm just, like, looking around in the middle of the Coliseum as we're, like, filming the show.

00:15:18.000 And I'm like, like, this doesn't feel real.

00:15:21.000 It doesn't feel, I mean, I went just to visit a few years back and it didn't feel real.

00:15:21.000 It was pretty wild.

00:15:26.000 It's so strange to imagine, like, What that was like.

00:15:31.000 Yeah.

00:15:31.000 You know, how many thousand years ago?

00:15:34.000 What year were they doing the games in the Roman Colosseum?

00:15:39.000 I would guess 1900 years ago. 0.97

00:15:42.000 So, I mean, what the fuck was it like being in there while that was happening? 0.94

00:15:47.000 And imagine when they flood it and they'd have the ships in there. 0.98

00:15:49.000 It's like, whoa, I know.

00:15:51.000 Crazy.

00:15:52.000 I know.

00:15:53.000 And it's just, it's nuts that you could go walk around it and just try to understand.

00:15:57.000 Like, this used to be a place where people used to go to see people die.

00:16:02.000 They used to see people get hacked to death by swords, to see people get killed by lions.

00:16:02.000 Yeah.

00:16:07.000 Like, what the fuck was. 0.99

00:16:09.000 Well, it's also interesting, too, because I did a lot of research, you know, before we filmed there. 0.99

00:16:13.000 And it also did a good job of.

00:16:15.000 You know, back then they had like the hierarchy, and like the nobles people would sit at the bottom and the poor people be at the top.

00:16:20.000 And it also played like a good role of like showcasing unity, even though there are all these different people from all these different, you know, economic statuses.

00:16:27.000 They would all be in the arena there, but also remind them where they are.

00:16:30.000 And there's like so many political implications of it too.

00:16:32.000 Yeah.

00:16:33.000 And so just everything about it.

00:16:34.000 Like basketball games.

00:16:36.000 Who gets courtside tickets?

00:16:36.000 Right?

00:16:38.000 I didn't even think about that.

00:16:39.000 Yeah.

00:16:40.000 Jack Nicholson, courtside tickets.

00:16:42.000 James Bieber, yeah, courtside tickets.

00:16:44.000 True.

00:16:44.000 Yeah.

00:16:45.000 I mean, it's the same thing.

00:16:46.000 I think in the Coliseum, though, that was the most dangerous seat.

00:16:50.000 Because, like, there were a couple of incidents, I believe, when either a lion or a tiger leapt up and got a hold of some people.

00:16:57.000 Yeah.

00:16:58.000 Well, I didn't hear about that, but when I was walking around, you know, they would have the, you know, emperor, like, seat right there.

00:17:04.000 And I was like, man, if I was a warrior, I could throw a spear at him.

00:17:07.000 Like, this is like, this is a killer view, but, like, how did no one ever just kill this guy, you know? 0.94

00:17:12.000 Right.

00:17:12.000 I was like, that's all I could think about.

00:17:14.000 It's like, this is a little too close to the battlefield.

00:17:16.000 How close is it?

00:17:17.000 It was like, whatever, four rows up.

00:17:19.000 It wasn't, like, anything too crazy.

00:17:22.000 But, like, there's obviously walls when you're walking around, like little walls, so you can't just, you know, walk into the stands.

00:17:27.000 So they're like kind of trapped in the arena, but it was definitely within spirit throwing distance.

00:17:31.000 I wonder how long it took to build that place.

00:17:34.000 Because when you're walking around, like, this is an epic piece of real estate.

00:17:40.000 Like, you guys built like an insane structure, and they did it, you know, almost 2,000 years ago or whatever it was.

00:17:49.000 Yeah.

00:17:50.000 So it took eight years to build.

00:17:52.000 Wow.

00:17:53.000 From AD 72 to AD 80.

00:17:57.000 Yeah.

00:17:57.000 Wow.

00:17:58.000 Construction started under Vespasian between AD 70 and 72.

00:18:06.000 It was completed and inaugurated under Emperor Titus around AD 79 to 80.

00:18:11.000 So the main build phase lasted roughly six to eight years.

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00:19:29.000 Yeah, it's fascinating too because I like to think of like, uh, Something equivalent now would be like maybe So Pi Stadium.

00:19:35.000 Like, that's such a beautiful, massive stadium.

00:19:38.000 I wonder if, like, 2,000 years from now, would that still be there?

00:19:41.000 Right.

00:19:41.000 Like, the Roman Colosseum is, like, relatively still intact.

00:19:44.000 It's pretty crazy.

00:19:45.000 That's what's crazy.

00:19:46.000 Well, it's because it's made out of stone.

00:19:48.000 All of our stuff, like, cement will rot out.

00:19:50.000 There's no way cement lasts 1,000 years.

00:19:52.000 All the glass, everything will just get absorbed back into the earth.

00:19:56.000 Dang.

00:19:56.000 Do you ever see that show?

00:19:57.000 They had a show, like, what was it on the History Channel or something like that, where it was after humans, I think it was called.

00:20:04.000 And it essentially showed how long it would take for cities to completely be absorbed back into the earth.

00:20:10.000 Something wrong.

00:20:12.000 It's not that long.

00:20:13.000 No, it's like a few hundred years and there's nothing left.

00:20:15.000 Wow.

00:20:16.000 Yeah.

00:20:16.000 Actually, it seems like a good show.

00:20:18.000 Yeah, it was kind of interesting. 0.84

00:20:19.000 You know, it was a while ago, so it was probably like shitty AI. 0.95

00:20:22.000 It was shitty CGI.

00:20:23.000 They could probably do it really good now. 0.84

00:20:25.000 But I mean, if you go to Detroit, there's houses in Detroit now that have trees growing out of the basement of the house through the roof.

00:20:25.000 Yeah.

00:20:34.000 Like they've taken over the house and nature is slowly but surely absorbing the building.

00:20:34.000 Yeah.

00:20:41.000 And then skyscrapers are a bigger endeavor, but they could still, nature can.

00:20:45.000 It just takes a lot of time.

00:20:45.000 Still do it.

00:20:47.000 That makes me, where my brain goes to is it makes me want to do a video where it's like, I bet you there's like an abandoned village or city that's been overgrown and like doing a video titled like Last Human on Earth Simulation and then like living there for a month or so and seeing what it's like.

00:21:01.000 That'd be kind of cool.

00:21:02.000 Kind of like the Will Smith movie back in the day.

00:21:04.000 Right.

00:21:05.000 Yeah.

00:21:06.000 That'd be so fascinating.

00:21:07.000 Like to, or maybe do it like with a contestant, like, hey, if you spend one month, you know, in this like isolated civilization, like I'll give you a million dollars or something and then seeing how they like, You know, use you know, 100 year old buildings or something.

00:21:20.000 I don't know, it's got my brain churning.

00:21:22.000 It's not a bad idea, like an I am legend type deal, yeah.

00:21:25.000 But real unscripted, exactly, right?

00:21:27.000 Real unscripted, but then also hire people to be zombies and haunt these people while they're sleeping.

00:21:31.000 You know what I mean?

00:21:32.000 Yeah, hire people like CGI them up, scare the out of people.

00:21:38.000 I've been wanting to do that for a while, but I always get like hung up on like, okay, we can make some real zombies, but the problem is like, how do they kill them and then you know, well, the other problem is what happens if you're not telling these contestants.

00:21:51.000 That zombies are coming, you're just trying to get a reaction out of them.

00:21:54.000 What if this guy thinks it's a real zombie and kills one of the people?

00:21:57.000 Yeah, well, we would tell him, I would have to say this is a zombie simulation, and then I'd have to set rules on here's how you kill a zombie.

00:22:04.000 You don't use a sword, you use this foam, and it's lame, which is why we've never gone around to it.

00:22:09.000 But if there ever was a way, I do think that would be cool to recreate an actual zombie apocalypse and let someone try to live in for a week.

00:22:17.000 Because it'd just be cool, because everyone's exposure to this is through scripted shows.

00:22:21.000 But to see someone truly live in an unscripted one where we build.

00:22:24.000 Rundown gas stations, and there's like food that, like, we would say this is set in the year 2060.

00:22:29.000 So I'd have set designers and everything design it where it's like only Laffy Taffy is still edible and stuff.

00:22:33.000 And it was like a true recreation of it.

00:22:36.000 I've always wanted to do stuff like that.

00:22:38.000 You could totally do that.

00:22:39.000 There's a bunch of abandoned towns.

00:22:40.000 No, it's just the one thing we could never figure out is how does someone kill a zombie and it's not lame, right?

00:22:45.000 Because imagine someone with a nerf sword hitting a zombie. 0.97

00:22:47.000 Oh, now it's like, okay, this is fucking lame, you know? 0.99

00:22:49.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:22:50.000 Maybe a paintball type deal.

00:22:53.000 Yeah.

00:22:54.000 And that's where our head goes because we're, uh, We have a different video, similar thing.

00:22:58.000 But the problem with paintball and airsoft is then you have to wear a mask, right?

00:23:01.000 Because you don't want people to get shot in the face, obviously.

00:23:03.000 And then it kind of kills it.

00:23:06.000 Or, yeah, unless the zombie masks were the protection.

00:23:13.000 Yeah, we put it over top of the paintball mask.

00:23:15.000 That's sure.

00:23:17.000 Poor actors.

00:23:18.000 Or you just have, instead of like a regular paintball mask, have something that's just a hard structure that is like the shape of your face.

00:23:26.000 Exactly.

00:23:27.000 So you make it a form fits to your face.

00:23:29.000 And then you give them goggles, something clear, so their eyes are protected.

00:23:33.000 And then you do all the makeup on top of it.

00:23:35.000 Yeah.

00:23:35.000 You know what?

00:23:35.000 I should hit you up for these zombie things.

00:23:38.000 That actually would.

00:23:39.000 There you go.

00:23:40.000 That's exactly that.

00:23:41.000 That's perfect.

00:23:42.000 That's an airsoft mask.

00:23:44.000 That'd be pretty cool.

00:23:45.000 I mean.

00:23:46.000 Oh, dude, that's actually dope.

00:23:48.000 Look at those masks, the half faced zombie ones.

00:23:51.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:23:51.000 That's fucking dope. 1.00

00:23:52.000 Like, you could. 1.00

00:23:53.000 That would be terrifying.

00:23:55.000 Coming at you in the middle of the night. 1.00

00:23:56.000 I have to shoot you. 1.00

00:23:57.000 If anyone listening wants to live in an abandoned town for 10 days while zombies try to kill you, I think we're on to something now. 1.00

00:24:03.000 Now that I saw those masks, I'm like, okay, I like it because that could be the zombies.

00:24:08.000 Well, where my head goes, because the videos are.

00:24:10.000 So big, right?

00:24:11.000 This is probably a five, $10 million project.

00:24:13.000 It probably would build this abandoned city, do I'm the last man on the planet, and it's like me there for some time.

00:24:20.000 And then afterwards, like a couple months, like film then right afterwards, film a video where I give someone a million dollars, they live there for 10 days, but they have to fend off zombies with their friends.

00:24:27.000 And then we reuse the set location.

00:24:29.000 Because if I'm going to completely set deck basically a whole city, oh my gosh, that's going to be a monster.

00:24:35.000 But yeah, if I did both those back to back, that'd actually be pretty, pretty gnarly and worth the effort.

00:24:39.000 I think I like the idea now.

00:24:41.000 Now that I see those masks.

00:24:41.000 Yeah.

00:24:43.000 And I think about like paintball or something along those lines.

00:24:47.000 Well, what I'm picturing too is like ideally we could find a city with a skyscraper because I want like someone with the long lens pointed down.

00:24:53.000 If like someone pictured them on a street, it's pitch black and they have like a fire and it's them and their three friends, and you know, then they hear noise and zombies and stuff.

00:25:01.000 Like those shots would be so beautiful.

00:25:03.000 Like, I mean, that it would probably be one of the most beautiful videos ever.

00:25:06.000 And I'm picturing we put like vines on all the buildings and stuff too.

00:25:10.000 So, well, if you wanted no one around.

00:25:13.000 It's going to be hard because you're going to have to do it in an abandoned place.

00:25:16.000 And you're not going to get an abandoned skyscraper.

00:25:16.000 Exactly.

00:25:19.000 Maybe.

00:25:20.000 Unless you're in Detroit.

00:25:21.000 Well, we also, it doesn't have to be in the U.S.

00:25:23.000 We did a video seven days in an abandoned city where there's like someplace in Europe where there was a city that was like war torn and stuff like that.

00:25:31.000 And it had like hotels and tall buildings and everything.

00:25:33.000 It was pretty, pretty wild.

00:25:34.000 Really?

00:25:35.000 And there's no one in it now?

00:25:35.000 Yeah.

00:25:36.000 No, no one in it.

00:25:37.000 Like tourists go there or whatever, but they let us close it off for a week.

00:25:41.000 Well, that's the place then.

00:25:41.000 It was pretty crazy.

00:25:43.000 Yeah, I just wonder if they'll.

00:25:44.000 You know, it's a little bit of history there, so I doubt they'll let me go in and like set deck everything like crazy, but and also paintball everything exactly.

00:25:51.000 Yeah, well, with those maps, we could do airsoft, which would be maybe even easier.

00:25:54.000 Well, actually, no, the problem with airsoft then is the trust system, you don't know if they got hit, so paintball is probably more effective.

00:25:59.000 Yeah, you need paintball, yeah, you need paintball, and it needs to look good when it splatters against them.

00:26:05.000 I just, you know, if someone on my team's watching this, just clip the last 10 minutes of this and send it to the creative team.

00:26:11.000 I got you guys, I believe in you.

00:26:13.000 Is there another way to kill a zombie other than paintball that would be wild?

00:26:18.000 Like, is there something else?

00:26:21.000 Well, one thing we've been working on because I've always wanted to do Hunger Games in real life as well.

00:26:26.000 So, like, these suits where you could, you know, electronic laser tag where you could just shoot and then it just lights up.

00:26:34.000 What about shotguns with bean bags?

00:26:37.000 You know, because they use those for people to take out non lethal loads, you know?

00:26:44.000 They have bean bags that they shoot out of a shotgun.

00:26:47.000 The question I wouldn't need is like, If I shot you with it like three feet away, would you still be fine?

00:26:52.000 I guess you could probably adjust the pressure and stuff where it's not.

00:26:54.000 Not really.

00:26:55.000 Okay, well.

00:26:56.000 I mean, you could, but you couldn't bury it.

00:26:59.000 See, this isn't Fear Factor.

00:27:01.000 This is Mr. Beast.

00:27:03.000 I understand, but it's a gray line.

00:27:05.000 You know, it's so funny.

00:27:07.000 I need to give you a blunt and let you just help me cook on this video.

00:27:10.000 I can see this is a great video.

00:27:11.000 There's something there. 0.98

00:27:12.000 You just have to figure out an exciting way to kill them where it doesn't actually hurt the stunt people or whoever's wearing the masks, whoever pretends to be a zombie. 0.99

00:27:21.000 It would have to be something. 0.99

00:27:22.000 I was thinking light him on fire, but that's.

00:27:25.000 Could you pull up the seven days abandoned city video and just skip to some random part?

00:27:29.000 I'd love for him to see how it looks because that, with what you're picturing, that really would be something you can't find anywhere else.

00:27:37.000 And that's what gets me excited is when it's content you can't find anywhere else.

00:27:40.000 That's typically a huge indicator that if it's done well, people like it.

00:27:45.000 Have you seen the show from?

00:27:46.000 From, I don't think so, no.

00:27:48.000 It's great.

00:27:49.000 But it's about these people.

00:27:49.000 Great show.

00:27:50.000 Wait, wait, look at that shot.

00:27:51.000 Pause it right there.

00:27:54.000 So that's just one random building.

00:27:56.000 But you can maybe go to the intro or something if you want to just show them.

00:28:00.000 Yeah, this whole place.

00:28:01.000 Like, look at these buildings.

00:28:02.000 Oh my God, this is perfect.

00:28:03.000 Yeah, and then, like, yeah, if you pause it there, those are all the buildings in the city.

00:28:07.000 Oh, dude, this is the spot.

00:28:07.000 I mean.

00:28:09.000 Listen, the show starts at sundown every night.

00:28:13.000 Okay.

00:28:14.000 As soon as the sun goes down, that's when the games begin.

00:28:17.000 Nothing happens until it gets dark out.

00:28:19.000 Okay.

00:28:19.000 Everything is in the dark.

00:28:21.000 And these people have no idea when it's going to happen, when they're going to get hit.

00:28:25.000 And so they try to get their sleep whenever they can.

00:28:27.000 But you keep them awake during the day with tasks, you keep them away.

00:28:31.000 So during the day, They have all sorts of materials, they have supplies, they have all sorts of things, and they have to figure out how to protect themselves, how to develop shelter, alarm systems for when the zombies are close.

00:28:48.000 Oh, really?

00:28:49.000 Yeah, give them time to figure out stuff to do to keep the zombies away.

00:28:54.000 An unlimited amount of materials that they can work with, and just let these people get creative and their ingenuity.

00:29:00.000 But then you keep it so that they'll be busy during the day, so they're not going to be able to sleep.

00:29:04.000 So at nighttime, when it gets dark, Dark out, yeah.

00:29:07.000 Then they don't know when it's gonna hit, so you have these people sitting around and it might be 7 p.m., 8 p.m., 9 p.m., and then three in the morning. 0.99

00:29:17.000 Shit starts, zombies come in and they gotta shoot them all painful and they're creeping in, yeah. 0.99

00:29:21.000 Like they're creeping in, bro. 1.00

00:29:23.000 You're getting me excited.

00:29:24.000 I mean, it would be so cool to like let them build a structure or something, and then like in I'm Legend where he has to point the lights because they hate lights, but like at nighttime, like they'll have to we can hide lights throughout the city that they'd have to collect and then set up so they.

00:29:38.000 Have good vision around their fort and everything, and then they have like you know cycles where they take turns watching and stuff.

00:29:44.000 Yeah, and then we only send the zombies out theoretically at night or whatever the structure would be, so they have chill time, or maybe every night 40 zombies are unleashed. 0.95

00:29:52.000 And then so they're like, they shot like 35 of them, but they're like, oh shit, there's five hidden around the city.

00:29:57.000 So that day while they're walking around, they're like on edge, and the tension throughout the day would be phenomenal. 0.97

00:30:01.000 Yeah, there's so many cool ways to do it.

00:30:04.000 And you know, you don't have to tell them that the zombies are only going to come out at night, yeah, just have it that way.

00:30:11.000 If we need to stop talking about this, because I'm going to leave and go film it right now.

00:30:11.000 I'm excited.

00:30:15.000 I'm fighting the urge to go call my team.

00:30:18.000 Also, with the zombies, they can come out in the daytime.

00:30:21.000 These people don't know because they never do it.

00:30:23.000 True.

00:30:24.000 Like the first five days, it's only at night.

00:30:25.000 Yeah.

00:30:26.000 And then day six.

00:30:27.000 Exactly.

00:30:28.000 So people get snatched up in the middle of their house.

00:30:30.000 Oh, my God.

00:30:31.000 This is a company we used before as Gel Blaster.

00:30:35.000 It's almost like AeroSoft, but it doesn't hurt as bad.

00:30:37.000 Oh, it shoots water?

00:30:38.000 And these vests that they have set up.

00:30:41.000 Our sensors, so you can almost like what you're saying, it's like VR laser tag, so it lights up when you hit it.

00:30:47.000 Yeah, and there's like a little talking system that says, like, you have this many shots left, you have this much energy.

00:30:52.000 We see a video, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:30:56.000 When did you do this?

00:30:57.000 A couple months ago.

00:30:58.000 Oh, nice.

00:30:59.000 I don't, oh, wait, actually, now that you've got music, but you pointed out, I have seen like Nerf gel blasters, I actually never thought of that.

00:31:10.000 So that's, I mean, you could just redo the set.

00:31:11.000 The suits that it makes sense to me.

00:31:13.000 Yeah, and then reskin the guns because those look a little lame.

00:31:15.000 But yeah, that would be.

00:31:16.000 It's kind of lame.

00:31:17.000 It already exists.

00:31:17.000 I kind of like shotguns with beanbags.

00:31:20.000 Let's fuck people off. 1.00

00:31:21.000 I think I can easily picture the aesthetic you're looking for. 1.00

00:31:24.000 I have to find the blend between Joe's recreation of this video and what I could actually do.

00:31:29.000 But I actually am more inspired than ever.

00:31:31.000 I think it's very doable.

00:31:32.000 It's very doable.

00:31:33.000 You just have to figure out a way to make it exciting, but still not hurt anybody.

00:31:37.000 You know, not hurt the zombies.

00:31:37.000 Exactly.

00:31:39.000 You'd have to arm these people up somehow.

00:31:42.000 I mean, well, the thing too is, one thing that would help is if the zombies were ex-Navy SEALs or something, then it's a little different than if they were typical Hollywood actors and things like that.

00:31:53.000 So I've learned for some of these.

00:31:54.000 Other things like it's also who you cast it to, like you know, right?

00:31:57.000 The navy, if it was like navy seals dressed up as zombies and I paid them off, you know, they wouldn't care.

00:32:02.000 It also could well, it could be like a zombie army, like an army, some army somewhere got taken over and turned into zombies, and those are the people you're fighting against.

00:32:19.000 So you could put them with like plate carriers on, and you know, yeah, you could armor them up a little bit so they could take some hits, have some lore behind it.

00:32:28.000 Yeah.

00:32:30.000 It would make sense too.

00:32:33.000 Bro, I'm sold.

00:32:34.000 I just got to find an abandoned city.

00:32:36.000 Give them glowing eyes.

00:32:38.000 That's the only way you know that I'm going to do it.

00:32:39.000 This whole podcast is going to be Joe helping me figure out how to do zombies. 0.98

00:32:42.000 Dude, it would be fucking terrifying. 0.92

00:32:44.000 Imagine there's people that are in this city. 0.98

00:32:47.000 There's no lights, there's no electricity.

00:32:50.000 And then at nighttime, it goes dark.

00:32:52.000 And maybe they have flashlights, but each flashlight only has one hour of battery life.

00:32:58.000 And so you have to, like, Judiciously use that flashlight throughout the evening to shine it around.

00:33:03.000 You shut it off, you know, so you give them like a little extra tension that the flashlight's gonna die because you only have one hour of flashlight battery.

00:33:09.000 And then you see these red eyes.

00:33:09.000 Yeah.

00:33:12.000 Like you give them like a slightly glowing red eye.

00:33:16.000 Yeah.

00:33:17.000 And that's how you can find the zombies.

00:33:18.000 True.

00:33:19.000 That would be cool.

00:33:19.000 Yeah.

00:33:20.000 And so you just look out into the woods.

00:33:22.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:33:22.000 I can see the fucking eyes, man. 1.00

00:33:23.000 You see the eyes. 1.00

00:33:24.000 That would be crazy.

00:33:25.000 Yeah.

00:33:26.000 And the other thing too would be because I go to like, how do we execute it?

00:33:29.000 We could do it too where like there's like a Every day at a certain period, we pull off all the dead zombies, which are humans, and we just swap them with like, I can have recreated versions of them there.

00:33:39.000 So there's like actual zombie bodies like piling up.

00:33:42.000 Right.

00:33:43.000 So as the video progresses, they're like literally stepping over like mannequins that are set decked identically how the people were.

00:33:49.000 So when they die, and then they're just like literally stepping on zombies as they go building to building.

00:33:53.000 That would be crazy.

00:33:54.000 That would be crazy.

00:33:55.000 You know, and actually, because if I put a middle.

00:33:57.000 Can you chalk outlines around the zombies?

00:33:59.000 So you can identify the fact that this one's a dead zombie?

00:34:03.000 Or, no, don't.

00:34:04.000 You know, let that be the fun part.

00:34:04.000 Screw it.

00:34:06.000 But then, if we put like a crazy prize on it, we could do you only get the prize, or maybe the prize is split amongst everyone who survives the whole 10 days or whatever.

00:34:14.000 And then it's like to really build up like this crescendo at the end.

00:34:17.000 We could have it where the final day there's a massive invasion coming or something.

00:34:21.000 So it's like the whole time, it's what if like every day more and more came?

00:34:25.000 So day one it was 10, day two it was 20, and then 50.

00:34:28.000 And then I'm like, you know, we're going to have 400 zombies come on the final day.

00:34:31.000 So the whole video, they're prepping for this like Game of Thrones type invasion.

00:34:35.000 Not only that, but the people that get killed by the zombie, we think they're out of the game, but they actually become zombies.

00:34:42.000 So when you think you won at the end, now the final game is you're competing against the zombies.

00:34:49.000 The zombies who can't win because they're already dead, but they know you're for it.

00:34:53.000 Yeah, and they know you're for it.

00:34:53.000 But they know you're for it.

00:34:54.000 You know what would actually be even crazier is if instead of, well, you know, maybe we have Navy SEALs as the zombies, but also what if the contestants are like ex Navy SEALs too, so they have like real strategy and stuff like that?

00:35:04.000 That would be cool.

00:35:05.000 Just get the most badass people that you can get.

00:35:08.000 For this zombie thing, like survivalists, martial artists, yeah, yeah, that would be crazy, dude.

00:35:16.000 Actually, that's not bad.

00:35:17.000 Like, you know, a UFC champion, a Navy SEAL, like a Taekwondo, blah, blah, blah.

00:35:23.000 And it's like, all right, what happens if you put six experts in different fields together and simulate a real zombie apocalypse?

00:35:29.000 You have 50 acres of this abandoned city sealed off.

00:35:32.000 We set decked it all.

00:35:33.000 And every day, a wave of zombie that gets bigger and bigger until the big crescendo at the end hits.

00:35:38.000 And if you survive it all, you split a million dollars. 0.80

00:35:40.000 I think the really difficult challenge is figuring out a way to kill zombies that's not lame. 0.75

00:35:46.000 Exactly. 0.68

00:35:46.000 And doesn't hurt anybody. 0.68

00:35:48.000 Actually, it doesn't kill people.

00:35:49.000 I love how that's your second thought process, but of course.

00:35:52.000 But it has to, because if you're hitting them, even with the gel soft, it'll look kind of cool, but it's like pew, pew, pew.

00:35:57.000 Exactly.

00:35:57.000 Pup, pew, pew.

00:35:58.000 No, it's got to be ba bang, ba bang.

00:36:00.000 And I could add those sounds in post, but we're big fans of practical, so I'd have my team take apart the guns and see if there's some way they can make it, even though it's shooting the gel, like make it go bang, bang, and then add the effects.

00:36:10.000 And we'd have to reskin the guns to look like real guns.

00:36:13.000 It would have to be some, it doesn't have to look like real guns because it could be a gun from the future.

00:36:18.000 That's lame.

00:36:18.000 Yeah, because we.

00:36:19.000 When you think of a zombie apocalypse, You think it has to look like a gun that they grab from some dude's safe that they found in a house, right?

00:36:25.000 That's what a zombie apocalypse is to me, yeah.

00:36:28.000 I guess, yeah, yeah.

00:36:31.000 So it would have to look like a real gun.

00:36:32.000 So that's why I like the shotguns with the beanbags.

00:36:35.000 And also, with a shotgun, like you're only going to get so many shells, like you, like as long as you don't have one of those big, like Terran tactical ones that has actually a magazine that can hold like 15 rounds.

00:36:47.000 If you can, I think a regular shotgun, like a Benelli, what can you put?

00:36:50.000 How many shells can you put in one of those?

00:36:52.000 I think six.

00:36:53.000 I think maybe six.

00:36:54.000 Something like that is good too.

00:36:56.000 You have a limited amount of bullets and reloading is hard.

00:36:59.000 We just got to find out.

00:37:00.000 Like maybe if it was like 20 gauge, maybe it was like 20 gauge shotgun, like bird shot with a beanbag.

00:37:09.000 Maybe that wouldn't fuck people up, but it would make a big bang. 0.99

00:37:12.000 And you'd be hitting them. 0.98

00:37:12.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:37:14.000 And if you could find a way to light up wherever they got hit, like if you could put them in some sort of a suit where, When they get hit, there's like gel packs.

00:37:26.000 There's no way you can throw shotguns at people.

00:37:28.000 There's just not possible.

00:37:28.000 Yeah.

00:37:30.000 Not a real one.

00:37:31.000 You're so wrong.

00:37:32.000 Look at me here.

00:37:32.000 He's living in his utopia.

00:37:34.000 I haven't seen his eyes light up like this in years.

00:37:36.000 Let him know.

00:37:37.000 No, no, no, no.

00:37:38.000 He's not using like a gun, not a person gun.

00:37:40.000 Okay, Lubo, I don't know a lot about shotguns, so let's find out.

00:37:43.000 I'm never going to have someone point a real shotgun at someone else, but yeah.

00:37:46.000 Yeah, you will.

00:37:47.000 Trust me.

00:37:48.000 We're going to work this out.

00:37:49.000 Oh, you want to help co direct it?

00:37:50.000 I'm going to help.

00:37:51.000 You'll see.

00:37:51.000 Yeah.

00:37:52.000 You'll actually see in like the background of one shot, Joe.

00:37:55.000 He's like, yeah!

00:37:55.000 Just like this.

00:37:57.000 It's like the Navy SEALs are fighting off the zombie apocalypse.

00:37:59.000 I want to be one zombie one night.

00:38:01.000 I'll sneak in. 0.73

00:38:02.000 Everyone's like, who's that bald guy over there? 1.00

00:38:04.000 That's just like, oh, fuck yeah! 1.00

00:38:05.000 Shotgun damage on a zombie, you have to blow their head off, right? 1.00

00:38:08.000 Oh, God. 1.00

00:38:08.000 How would you. 1.00

00:38:09.000 He knows this is the question.

00:38:10.000 He's going to be talking about hit damage for 20 minutes.

00:38:13.000 It depends on what kind of zombie. 1.00

00:38:14.000 Like, walking dead zombies are so stupid, you can stab them in the head with a pencil and they die. 1.00

00:38:18.000 Remember, it was just going through the head. 1.00

00:38:20.000 Because they would shoot them with those crossbows, and like, crossbow wouldn't even kill a person.

00:38:25.000 Like, with Those field tips, they're using field tips.

00:38:28.000 This is basically like a pencil going through you.

00:38:31.000 It's not like a broadhead.

00:38:32.000 Like if you shot an animal with a crossbow, you would use a broadhead, which is a big, sharp blade that cuts a giant channel through an animal.

00:38:41.000 What those things are using is target points.

00:38:41.000 Gotcha.

00:38:44.000 Like that dude in The Walking Dead, it would drive me nuts because he would shoot them in the head and it would just stick in their head and then they'd be dead. 0.99

00:38:50.000 It's so funny because. 1.00

00:38:51.000 Get the fuck out of here. 0.99

00:38:52.000 I watched the same thing and I'm like, oh, that's cool. 0.99

00:38:54.000 Different audience.

00:38:56.000 Well, it's just all it takes is like one arrow to go into your head and you're. 1.00

00:38:59.000 Dead if you're a zombie. 0.99

00:39:00.000 Yeah, totally. 1.00

00:39:01.000 What the fuck is this? 0.99

00:39:01.000 One arrow. 0.99

00:39:02.000 This is nonsense.

00:39:03.000 Yeah, right, guys?

00:39:04.000 Watch it. 0.98

00:39:04.000 Yeah, one arrow in the head. 0.98

00:39:05.000 You'd be, yeah, you wouldn't die. 0.52

00:39:06.000 The thing is, people have lived, humans have lived through arrows through the head like that.

00:39:11.000 Accidentally gotten shot in the head with a bow and arrow and with a field tip and lived because it basically just is like a pencil going through your head.

00:39:19.000 Really?

00:39:20.000 The way people die from an arrow is hemorrhage.

00:39:23.000 You die from massive hemorrhage, and it's usually because there's a blade. 1.00

00:39:26.000 So, like this, like this is what the Native Americans used to use. 0.99

00:39:30.000 But that's a lot. 0.90

00:39:31.000 This is actually, yes, that's an actual arrowhead.

00:39:34.000 But the thing about this is when it's attached to a stick, this is cutting.

00:39:38.000 So, it's causing hemorrhage inside the body.

00:39:41.000 The little field tip doesn't do that.

00:39:42.000 And the field tip wouldn't puncture enough veins where you just Bleed to death?

00:39:45.000 Maybe.

00:39:46.000 But most likely not. 0.98

00:39:47.000 I mean, if it went through your heart, yeah, you'd be dead.

00:39:49.000 But if it just goes through like this side of your lungs and pokes out your back, you'll live.

00:39:53.000 Wow.

00:39:54.000 Yeah.

00:39:54.000 Would you want to live?

00:39:55.000 You would be in pain. 0.98

00:39:57.000 It would suck. 1.00

00:39:58.000 It would certainly suck, but it's not like getting hit with a broadhead. 1.00

00:39:58.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:40:01.000 My point is I don't remember my point, but if I had a point, it would be this.

00:40:05.000 It's got to be a level of shotgun that's the lowest powered shotgun available.

00:40:13.000 It's not a.

00:40:14.000 I know 20 gauge is light.

00:40:16.000 I've used those before for like shooting clay pigeons.

00:40:19.000 And I've used 12 gauges.

00:40:23.000 You don't want to get hit with a 12 gauge, even if it's a beanbag.

00:40:26.000 410 bore.

00:40:31.000 Smallest gauge equivalent to a 67 gauge shotgun.

00:40:34.000 Oh, here we go.

00:40:35.000 Now we're talking. 1.00

00:40:37.000 That's a bitch ass round. 1.00

00:40:39.000 Oh, God. 1.00

00:40:39.000 Let's see what that looks like. 1.00

00:40:43.000 Let's see what a 410 gauge shotgun or a 67 gauge shotgun looks like when they shoot it. 1.00

00:40:49.000 It looks like a bullshit gun. 1.00

00:40:50.000 It looks like it's going to still hurt. 1.00

00:40:51.000 No, no, no.

00:40:52.000 You'll be fine.

00:40:54.000 Okay, can I test it on you?

00:40:55.000 Yeah.

00:40:56.000 Yeah, just give me a plate carrier and if you're going to use a bean bag, yeah.

00:41:00.000 Because that's what I'm thinking.

00:41:01.000 Like, if you have a chest plate, you know, so a plate carrier is bulletproof.

00:41:06.000 Yeah, but what are you going to hit?

00:41:08.000 Everything you'll cover up.

00:41:09.000 You'll cover up the shoulders and the arms.

00:41:11.000 You give them, like, military style armor, like body armor.

00:41:16.000 Because none of this is going to penetrate.

00:41:18.000 So if it's a bean bag round, what it is is just like it's basically a bag that's going to, like, Yeah, shoot out of the shotgun and blast you, but I don't, they're not lethal.

00:41:30.000 Um, let me see what it looks like.

00:41:32.000 I don't know which one.

00:41:33.000 Um, just go to a video, just go to a video of uh, lowest powered shotgun.

00:41:38.000 That's weird looking.

00:41:39.000 That's cool.

00:41:40.000 That one looks cool.

00:41:41.000 That one does not exactly.

00:41:42.000 That's a revolver shotgun.

00:41:43.000 Yeah, that's dope.

00:41:44.000 I've never seen one of those before.

00:41:45.000 Power it says.

00:41:47.000 Interesting.

00:41:48.000 Yeah, the title is smallest, but deadliest.

00:41:51.000 Yeah, I think it's smallest in terms of like the size of it, not uh, not the round itself.

00:41:56.000 Yeah, this isn't.

00:41:57.000 I did ask for lowest power, but that's not what people want to click on video.

00:42:01.000 I know.

00:42:01.000 Psychedelics.

00:42:02.000 I feel like most people who buy shotguns aren't looking for shotguns that don't.

00:42:05.000 Well, how about this?

00:42:06.000 Look up 67 gauge shotgun.

00:42:08.000 Oh, I had done that here.

00:42:09.000 And does it show you a video of that?

00:42:12.000 Okay, let's see what it says.

00:42:14.000 Let me see what it looks like when it's shooting.

00:42:18.000 It says it's 12 gauge.

00:42:20.000 Oh, that's a big one.

00:42:20.000 Yeah, that's what I'm trying to.

00:42:21.000 Yeah.

00:42:22.000 So they're like modified 12 gauges.

00:42:25.000 That's a lot.

00:42:26.000 I just don't.

00:42:27.000 Boy, I The point the shotgun isn't going to kill a zombie, yeah, but it could in this game, Jamie. 0.99

00:42:32.000 I know, but you have to get so close to get a fucking headshot or whatever. 0.98

00:42:35.000 It's more fun to like get snipers and grenades. 0.99

00:42:39.000 I don't know if you have to use headshots. 0.78

00:42:43.000 This little kid's going to shoot a shotgun, yes. 0.99

00:42:45.000 So that okay, let me see.

00:42:47.000 Can you give me some volume?

00:42:49.000 Let me hear this.

00:42:50.000 Put back that up a little bit, yeah.

00:42:54.000 That's what we need. 0.61

00:42:55.000 We need that kind of shotgun with like a beanbag round or rock salt.

00:43:00.000 I got it.

00:43:00.000 The team they're listening, they're on it.

00:43:02.000 Yeah, something where it makes an impact.

00:43:06.000 There's a sound like a gun going off, but you can't really kill anybody with it.

00:43:11.000 Yeah.

00:43:11.000 This is totally possible, dude.

00:43:13.000 You'd have to have like very strict safety protocols in the set, though, because one of the things, when I was in, when I first moved to LA in like 1994, there was a guy that a friend of mine actually knew who was an actor who was on a set who took a gun that had a blank in it and thought it'd be funny to just put the thing to his head and pull the trigger.

00:43:34.000 And he didn't realize that just the actual air.

00:43:38.000 Coming out of the gun, if you put it right to your head, is lethal. 0.93

00:43:41.000 And he blew his brains out. 0.98

00:43:43.000 Yeah, with a blank. 0.91

00:43:43.000 Oh my gosh. 0.91

00:43:44.000 He just didn't.

00:43:45.000 I mean, or like the Alec Baldwin situation.

00:43:47.000 Yeah, that was actually probably negligence because it seems like there was an error where they were using like real rounds and then they would take the same guns.

00:44:00.000 They would use like real rounds on a range and then take the same guns and bring them to set and they didn't clear everything.

00:44:06.000 So I don't know who's responsible for that.

00:44:08.000 I don't know what ultimately came out of that, but.

00:44:11.000 You're never supposed to point a gun, even if it's not loaded.

00:44:15.000 You're never supposed to point a gun at someone, ever.

00:44:17.000 In movies now, like if you were.

00:44:19.000 Which is why I'm like so hesitant to this whole shotgun thing.

00:44:22.000 Welcome back to reality, Joe.

00:44:24.000 We're going to be fine.

00:44:25.000 In movies, you're supposed to, like, if I was shooting at you in a movie, I'm really supposed to shoot over here.

00:44:30.000 And I think that came out of the movie The Crow because Bruce Lee's son died because there was something that was in the gun itself.

00:44:30.000 Yeah.

00:44:39.000 It wasn't even a bullet that killed him.

00:44:41.000 It was like there was a particle or something that hit him from the blank.

00:44:46.000 When there's effects in CG and everything's so good now, too, like you probably don't even have to put a blank in there.

00:44:51.000 You just overlay the sound effect and, I mean, put the effect in.

00:44:54.000 No one would even be able to tell sometimes, too.

00:44:56.000 That's true, but you want something that's scary for the actual people and the recoil and stuff.

00:45:02.000 Yeah.

00:45:02.000 So it's more real.

00:45:03.000 Like a really light shotgun.

00:45:05.000 And I guess even if you know it's a blank, like having a gun pointed at you as an actor makes you, you know, feel more in this situation, too, probably.

00:45:12.000 Well, just rock salt.

00:45:13.000 If you have a really light shotgun, even if it's a 20 gauge with rock salt, it would suck.

00:45:19.000 It would sting.

00:45:20.000 But if you've got these guys all protected and you could find a way where when it hits them, like you have gel packs on them or something.

00:45:29.000 So if you have them all, they're in like these tattered looking white outfits, right?

00:45:36.000 And when you hit them, there's red gel packs underneath and they splatter.

00:45:41.000 And you could, you know, if you get a direct.

00:45:43.000 We did something similar when we recreated.

00:45:45.000 We put like squibs on them when they got eliminated and blew up.

00:45:48.000 And so, yeah, you'd put like little squibs, and then when the sensors went off, it would just and the liquid would go across their body.

00:45:54.000 Yeah.

00:45:55.000 So, you could do that.

00:45:56.000 So, if you do that, actually, you could have blanks and maybe a laser sight.

00:46:04.000 That's where we went with the Hunger Games stuff laser tag, and then it would just trigger squibs if you pointed at them.

00:46:04.000 Exactly.

00:46:09.000 And then maybe in post, like we'd have a track where the trajectory of where the bullets were, and we could just overlay like the lasers or whatever in post so you could digitally see it.

00:46:19.000 But obviously, in the time you were actually filming practically, it would just be invisible.

00:46:24.000 You just know if you got hit, if your suit lit up.

00:46:26.000 And it seems like you could sync up a laser tag with an actual blank round.

00:46:35.000 So you can make the boom and then the laser actually hits the person at the same time.

00:46:41.000 Okay.

00:46:41.000 Right?

00:46:42.000 Yeah.

00:46:42.000 That wouldn't be hard to do.

00:46:44.000 Because if you have lasers, you have guns that shoot lasers, that's what a laser tag is.

00:46:48.000 That's a pretty simple mechanism.

00:46:50.000 All you would do is have, like, sort of a dual trigger setup where you have, as you pull the trigger back, you get the explosion from the round going off, and you also get the laser at the same time.

00:47:02.000 And so the squibs go off.

00:47:03.000 You say the boom, and then the squibs go off, and you have it all coordinated together, and then it looks wild. 0.98

00:47:09.000 And so then you have these zombies boom, you shoot them, you see splatter all over the chest.

00:47:14.000 The only other thing we have to figure out is where's this going?

00:47:17.000 Because if it's going on my YouTube channel, we don't usually show gore.

00:47:22.000 So we might have to hit up Amazon.

00:47:24.000 Yeah, wherever you use to put Fear Factor and stuff.

00:47:26.000 Because that definitely seems like a more.

00:47:27.000 It's going from like we're usually family friendly to now this is very rated R.

00:47:31.000 And it's not family friendly because you're killing zombies.

00:47:35.000 Yeah.

00:47:35.000 Well, we.

00:47:36.000 Yeah.

00:47:37.000 You know if something's family friendly or not if you say eliminated instead of killing.

00:47:41.000 So, yes.

00:47:42.000 If you're eliminating zombies, that's family friendly.

00:47:44.000 If you're killing zombies, that's rated R.

00:47:47.000 Well, they're already dead. 0.99

00:47:48.000 So you're eliminating them. 0.98

00:47:49.000 There you go.

00:47:49.000 Exactly.

00:47:50.000 See, now we're back to that.

00:47:51.000 See, they're already dead.

00:47:52.000 And, like, you can tell if, like, a show is, like, for 18 plus or, like, 13 plus, if, like, before they shoot the person or whatever, if it cuts away, right?

00:48:00.000 And, like, there's all these little things.

00:48:01.000 Not that we even care about.

00:48:02.000 This could be wild.

00:48:04.000 I mean, if some streaming platform was, like, yo, here's.

00:48:07.000 Whatever, whatever, a blank check, just make it happen.

00:48:10.000 Oh my God. 0.99

00:48:10.000 Amazon should do it. 0.99

00:48:11.000 They need people over there anyway. 0.87

00:48:12.000 Yeah.

00:48:13.000 Or I mean, really, even Netflix, anyone, really.

00:48:15.000 Like, it's the biggest no brainer in the history of ever.

00:48:17.000 Like, actually, the fact that no one's recreated this is kind of absurd when you think about it.

00:48:21.000 But it's also like, if traditional, you know, independent of like the shotgun stuff you're talking about, like traditional people with traditional world views did this, it'd be so stringent and structured and stuff like that.

00:48:31.000 Whereas, like, if we did it with like the Beast Games mindset, where it's just like, there's cameras everywhere, they can truly do whatever the hell they want, and it's not like this like guarded thing, and it's an actual abandoned city.

00:48:42.000 Oh my gosh, it would go crazy.

00:48:44.000 Now we need a task.

00:48:46.000 We need a goal.

00:48:47.000 The goal would be survival.

00:48:49.000 Right, but maybe survival while you're trying to accomplish something.

00:48:53.000 Okay.

00:48:54.000 Well, then this is like a mechanism that usually would work well the tasks every day will grow the prize pool.

00:49:00.000 And if it's on a streaming platform, then the prize pool could be crazy, right?

00:49:03.000 It doesn't have to be a million dollars.

00:49:04.000 It could grow to 10 million theoretically if they weren't being cheap.

00:49:07.000 And so then it could be like every day if you complete the task, I put a million dollars in the prize pool.

00:49:12.000 Each episode's one whole day.

00:49:13.000 It's 10 episodes, 10 days.

00:49:15.000 And so they could technically grow the prize pool to $10 million.

00:49:17.000 You put some, like, you know, the UFC people and like Navy SEALs and like these hardcore people, and you tell them like they could potentially share $10 million.

00:49:25.000 Bro, they would be trying their butts off those 10 days.

00:49:27.000 The footage would be crazy.

00:49:28.000 I mean, they would probably be like practicing during the day, like their rotations and everything on like holding off zombies.

00:49:33.000 It would be really cool.

00:49:35.000 Yeah, they would run training routes.

00:49:37.000 You know, it's really interesting.

00:49:37.000 Exactly.

00:49:38.000 We'd have to figure out how the zombies get them because you don't want physical conflict.

00:49:43.000 Between the stunt people, the zombie people, and the contestants.

00:49:47.000 You don't want them to actually fight.

00:49:48.000 Exactly.

00:49:49.000 Right?

00:49:49.000 So, like, you would have to have rules as to what.

00:49:53.000 It would probably be, in my default intuition, is if the zombie just purely touches you, then you're just dead.

00:49:58.000 Like, we wouldn't be able to take it any further than that.

00:50:00.000 You know, but if they, like.

00:50:01.000 Right, like, 28 days later, zombies, all they have to do is, like, scratch you.

00:50:05.000 Yeah, or breathe in front of you.

00:50:06.000 But in this case, if they touch you, that way it's not, like, the Navy SEAL, like, pushing and flipping them off.

00:50:06.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:50:11.000 Like, because if you went to push them or touch them, then you'd be out.

00:50:14.000 Be keeping their distance, but even then, it'd get pretty crazy if they're like, because they're obviously they would run and there'd be chase scenes and stuff.

00:50:14.000 So people.

00:50:21.000 So, uh, honestly, like, I know some great stunt choreographers like Ken and a bunch of other people.

00:50:25.000 I would just call them and be like, Yo, how do I do this?

00:50:28.000 and they'd probably be like, Oh, here's how I would do it, or whatever.

00:50:30.000 Dude, this could be mad.

00:50:33.000 Yeah, this could be a mad to set the stage.

00:50:35.000 It's like an abandoned city, dozens of acres sealed off.

00:50:38.000 Like, we could literally build like a wall around it so the seals and whoever the contestants know, like, this is the edge, they're walled in.

00:50:45.000 And then, yeah, they're walking around.

00:50:47.000 And then we have some of the best set designers in the world come in.

00:50:52.000 And basically, we'd pick a time in the future.

00:50:53.000 We'd say, this is 50 years in the future.

00:50:55.000 And they would match exactly what all these buildings would look like 50 years from now.

00:50:59.000 They'd put vines on this.

00:51:00.000 If there's a gas station, they'd go through and, like, this is what would happen to Doritos 50 years from now.

00:51:04.000 They'd literally mirror it identically across, you know, 100 buildings.

00:51:08.000 And then we'd have a helicopter fly in, drop them off.

00:51:11.000 And then it's like, you know, every day, like, we could have, like, an eagle fly over and drop their task for the day.

00:51:16.000 And in the middle of the city is a million.

00:51:17.000 Oh, that's what we could do.

00:51:18.000 The prize pool in the middle, if the zombies touch it as well, then they lose the money.

00:51:22.000 So they're not only defending themselves, but also the prize pool.

00:51:24.000 So in the middle of the city, so that's why they have to build a fort around it.

00:51:27.000 And then every day, if they complete their crazy task, right, which is distracting them from building their fort, Then a helicopter will drop another million dollars on their prize pool.

00:51:36.000 So, then it's like, so episode one, they complete the task before the zombies come at night.

00:51:40.000 And then it's like, I come in on a helicopter.

00:51:42.000 We have a rope lowered down.

00:51:43.000 A million dollars is massive in ones, right?

00:51:46.000 And then it unhooks.

00:51:48.000 And now they have $2 million there.

00:51:49.000 Like, good luck, guys.

00:51:50.000 And if there's six of them, then it's like, you're now, if you survive, are all winning over $300,000.

00:51:55.000 And then, you know, but if you grow the prize pool to $6 million without getting eliminated, you're all millionaires in nine days.

00:52:01.000 Bro, that would be crazy.

00:52:02.000 Wow.

00:52:03.000 And then, yeah, the zombies come in.

00:52:04.000 We figure out the practical guns with the right sound effects.

00:52:07.000 Yeah, practical guns, right sound effects, and what entails you getting killed by a zombie.

00:52:13.000 Like, how do they.

00:52:13.000 Yeah.

00:52:14.000 And the other thing, too, to make it fun is if a zombie eliminates one of you, they get one sixth of the prize pool or whatever.

00:52:20.000 So then now the zombies are incentivized, right, to try to.

00:52:22.000 So then it's like, if a zombie touches the Navy SEAL, whatever the way is, it's like, congrats, now you're a millionaire if it's later on.

00:52:28.000 So then, like, as it goes on, things are going to get really tense on both sides.

00:52:32.000 It'll be really cool.

00:52:34.000 Yeah, dude.

00:52:36.000 Because that's how you take it where people don't want to be zombies to now they're like excited to be zombies.

00:52:40.000 They're like, ooh, I actually sneak up behind them and I get a million bucks.

00:52:43.000 People are going to want to be zombies anyway.

00:52:45.000 True, because it's going to look sick.

00:52:46.000 It's going to be sick.

00:52:47.000 Honestly, I would want to be a zombie.

00:52:49.000 Just imagine walking in a horde and role playing being a zombie.

00:52:52.000 That'd actually be a pretty cool thing to do.

00:52:53.000 Dude, it'd be so sick.

00:52:54.000 It's total pitch black.

00:52:55.000 There's no power, no electricity.

00:52:57.000 You just see red eyes in the woods.

00:52:59.000 Oh my gosh.

00:53:00.000 Well, these dudes are sneaking in.

00:53:02.000 And you'd have to have some sort of rules like how the zombies can move, whether they can run.

00:53:06.000 Yeah.

00:53:07.000 Whether they can, you know what I mean?

00:53:08.000 Because, like, we have to decide are these 28 days later zombies that run at you?

00:53:08.000 Yeah.

00:53:13.000 Or these, like, walking dead zombies that are, like, kind of like.

00:53:13.000 Yeah.

00:53:16.000 We'd probably start off that way, but they evolve with time.

00:53:19.000 And I'm a big fan of, like, usually when you have, like, people who are playing certain roles, they usually end up going rogue.

00:53:25.000 It's really hard to get hundreds of people to do, like, certain things, like, you know, in an unscripted sandbox environment.

00:53:31.000 So we would have to constrict them in a way where, like, if we didn't want them to move past a certain speed, we'd probably have to figure out some way to put, like, a chain around their feet or something that.

00:53:38.000 Physically, they wouldn't allow them to do it.

00:53:40.000 Or, like, if you have 300 zombies going, right, you can't redo it, right?

00:53:44.000 Like, if one of those zombies goes rogue and scratch, it's like, I can't reshoot the show, right?

00:53:49.000 That's what's so high stakes about the things we do in a world.

00:53:51.000 So, we'd have to physically make it where they couldn't do things they're not supposed to do in a perfect world.

00:53:57.000 Or, if you have 300 people, if 2% go rogue, that's still six zombies going rogue, which is brutal.

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00:55:03.000 Yeah, it is brutal.

00:55:04.000 But I think with proper planning, if you really sit down and plan out what the zombies' task is, what it means, and what these people are doing, and what goals are they trying to achieve while they're there and while they're defending against zombies, you've got to give them stuff to do during the day so that they're fully occupied so they can't sleep.

00:55:30.000 Okay.

00:55:31.000 Like, the more they do during the day, it optimizes the amount of money they can win.

00:55:31.000 Really important.

00:55:37.000 Like, as they complete tasks, if they stay alive, they have a higher threshold. 0.54

00:55:41.000 Whereas, someone just fucking sleeps all day and doesn't get anything done, even if they survive, they can't make any money. 0.83

00:55:47.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:55:48.000 I get what you're saying.

00:55:49.000 And that works if these are, you know, hardcore, like, people.

00:55:49.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:55:52.000 So it's good.

00:55:53.000 Like, if I had normal contestants, they'd be like, oh, this is horrible.

00:55:56.000 You want that, though. 1.00

00:55:57.000 You want people to bitch out. 1.00

00:55:59.000 You want a few people to quit because that. 0.99

00:56:01.000 There's always going to be people that want to.

00:56:02.000 And you are held to different standards.

00:56:04.000 If I did that, there would be maybe 10 trillion articles written about how I'm the most evil man on the planet.

00:56:09.000 But if I made it too hard where people couldn't sleep or whatever.

00:56:12.000 No, listen, you can't read those articles. 1.00

00:56:14.000 Fuck those people. 1.00

00:56:15.000 You just got to make an awesome show. 1.00

00:56:17.000 The awesome show is you keep these motherfuckers awake. 0.99

00:56:20.000 And you make it so that they can choose to sleep if they want. 0.99

00:56:23.000 But there are tasks to achieve.

00:56:26.000 And if you can complete these tasks, you have the potential to make a lot of money.

00:56:30.000 But if you don't complete the tasks, you can't make any money, even if you survive.

00:56:34.000 Bro, I'm sold.

00:56:35.000 Amazon, Netflix, whoever wants it, let us know. 0.99

00:56:38.000 You got to keep these motherfuckers away from this happening. 1.00

00:56:38.000 Right? 1.00

00:56:41.000 So that nighttime is terrifying.

00:56:42.000 Can you imagine seeing people sitting there with their shotgun? 1.00

00:56:46.000 And then opening their eyes and looking out and seeing red eyes in the woods like, fuck! 1.00

00:56:46.000 Exactly. 1.00

00:56:51.000 We'd get a tight shot of their faces as they're asleep.

00:56:53.000 And then one of the other guys would go, zombies!

00:56:55.000 And you hear bang, bang.

00:56:56.000 And then they wake up and they grab their gun.

00:56:57.000 Well, that's the problem of people randomly shooting wild while there's other people around them.

00:57:03.000 So it kind of would have to be blanks and lasers.

00:57:06.000 Because now that I'm thinking about it, like people are going to spaz out and accidentally shoot someone in the face.

00:57:10.000 This is where.

00:57:11.000 Especially if they're tired.

00:57:12.000 I've done.

00:57:13.000 I mean, obviously, you did unscripted with Fear Fighter, but I've done lots of unscripted stuff with lots of people.

00:57:17.000 And exactly.

00:57:18.000 When you're talking about the shotgun stuff, I'm like, you know, there's just no shot in hell that we'd ever be able to.

00:57:23.000 It would have to be like.

00:57:24.000 But I love the gel rounds.

00:57:25.000 And we could do it in a way where we set that to guns where it looks really cool and we can recreate the sound effect.

00:57:30.000 But then gel rounds, like those.

00:57:31.000 It's essentially like the Nerf ones.

00:57:32.000 Now I'm remembering them.

00:57:33.000 Like they're like water that explodes on impact.

00:57:35.000 Those would be perfect, honestly.

00:57:36.000 Yeah, but you want blanks because you want the bang.

00:57:39.000 You want the bang for the people, for the psychological effect, the fear.

00:57:44.000 It's in the middle of the night, it's dark.

00:57:46.000 You're making a bang go off, the flash of the bang going off.

00:57:49.000 Yeah.

00:57:50.000 And then maybe to avoid people being able to shoot each other, maybe at nighttime they're completely separated.

00:57:58.000 Maybe at nighttime.

00:57:59.000 No, you want them together.

00:58:00.000 I'm telling you, like if they built a fort around the money, what you want in the shots is you always want people to be able to tell what they're competing for and like their why.

00:58:09.000 And you usually, but you don't want to have to say it, right?

00:58:11.000 You don't want to have to say, oh, I'm competing for this money.

00:58:12.000 But if you have the money in the background of the shot, Intuitively, viewers will be like, that's what they're competing for.

00:58:16.000 So, like a fort built around it where they have walls and they're standing on it and you see the money behind them in the shots.

00:58:21.000 Like, intuitively to a viewer, you're going to instantly understand the motivation and it's going to be like, I mean, it will just be so crazy.

00:58:28.000 Maybe it's like a super advanced game of hide and seek at night where the people can't talk.

00:58:28.000 The shots.

00:58:36.000 They have to be very quiet because the zombies have like hyper hearing.

00:58:41.000 Like, you give the zombies like Walker game ears.

00:58:43.000 You know what those things are?

00:58:44.000 No.

00:58:45.000 It's like, do you ever go to a gun range?

00:58:47.000 Yeah.

00:58:48.000 You know, you have those headphones that you can hear everything else way louder, but when guns go off, it kills volume above a certain amount of decibels.

00:58:57.000 Yeah.

00:58:57.000 So they can hear everything.

00:59:00.000 So if you hear somebody whispering like that, the zombies will be able to key in on it.

00:59:04.000 They'll know where the people are.

00:59:06.000 And these people have to hide from the zombies at night.

00:59:11.000 Because I guess the other thing is if they built a fort around it, how would the zombies even get to them?

00:59:11.000 True.

00:59:16.000 Right.

00:59:16.000 So now they're going to have elevators.

00:59:17.000 So instead of that, you have people that are trying to hide.

00:59:20.000 So you've got these zombies slowly creeping through these abandoned buildings looking for people.

00:59:25.000 Yeah.

00:59:26.000 We'd have to get it to them where the, The seals and stuff couldn't like lock doors or anything, right?

00:59:30.000 Because, right, no locks.

00:59:32.000 So, basically, no doors have locks.

00:59:33.000 That's what makes the hide and go seek so good.

00:59:35.000 All the handles or all the doors are removed.

00:59:37.000 Yeah, there's no locks.

00:59:38.000 So, every night, maybe we would brainstorm it more, but it would theoretically they all have to hide in a different building or something.

00:59:44.000 They couldn't be in the same building.

00:59:45.000 Yeah, and then the zombies scatter across the city.

00:59:48.000 And then, wherever you are in the building, people have to be able to get to you.

00:59:51.000 The zombies have to be able to get to you unrestricted, right?

00:59:54.000 Yeah, and so maybe before we release the zombies, we'd have a producer just go in and walk a path.

00:59:58.000 Like, all right, there's a factual path where you could die to a zombie.

01:00:01.000 This is good.

01:00:02.000 And then we let them loose.

01:00:04.000 That makes it there's no cheating.

01:00:05.000 There's something.

01:00:06.000 This could be wild.

01:00:07.000 This could honestly.

01:00:08.000 This is one of those things where I say this to my team quite a bit.

01:00:11.000 It's either going to be like the worst show imaginable that people clown on, or it's going to be like the number one show ever.

01:00:17.000 And there's no in between.

01:00:18.000 Like, you don't do this like kind of all right where people are like, I like it.

01:00:21.000 It's either like cringe, we failed, this sucks, or it's like, this is the greatest thing ever.

01:00:25.000 Why did this not exist before?

01:00:27.000 Like, The Walking Dead, or what's the HBO show called?

01:00:30.000 The one with The Last of Us?

01:00:31.000 Yeah, The Last of Us in real life.

01:00:33.000 How has no one done this?

01:00:34.000 You know what I mean?

01:00:35.000 Like actual true simulation.

01:00:36.000 And if we execute it properly, I really could see it being like a number one show in the world type thing that people would like.

01:00:42.000 Because also, you have to think the world is ran by clips these days on TikTok feeds, Instagram reels, and YouTube shorts.

01:00:48.000 And it is arguably the most clippable thing ever.

01:00:50.000 Like any 10 second scene of that, you could just throw on YouTube shorts and go viral because it's freaking zombies getting shot at.

01:00:56.000 And you know how cool they could make those masks look?

01:00:59.000 I mean, you get a real special effects guy to work on those masks.

01:00:59.000 Yeah.

01:01:03.000 Yeah.

01:01:03.000 Like one of those.

01:01:04.000 Experts, can you search up Mr. Beast Zombies?

01:01:07.000 Uh, we have a video on our channel from like I mean, God knows how long ago, seven years ago, where we we did like make like a mini zombie horde, but not like in a simulation like this, just for fun to see how people in public would react.

01:01:17.000 And like the it looks disgusting, the things they were able to do, it's pretty crazy.

01:01:21.000 Yeah, special modern special effects and makeup artists they could do amazing stuff, man.

01:01:26.000 Wait, uh, if you can find like a close up of my face, or like it was like crazy, we we just brought in people for it, yeah, like like that kind of stuff.

01:01:35.000 Like, look at my face right there, like, pause it.

01:01:37.000 It's freaking wild, dude.

01:01:40.000 You could totally do something like that on the outside of one of those masks, yeah.

01:01:44.000 100 exactly, 100.

01:01:48.000 Yeah, that was really all that's the look you the what yours looks like with like the teeth and everything and up flesh.

01:01:54.000 That is the mask, exactly.

01:01:55.000 So, you take that hard airsoft mask and you put that on it, Joe.

01:01:59.000 The problem is, I want to go work on this now.

01:02:01.000 We like, so it's funny.

01:02:04.000 I have this thing where, uh, this might sound like crazy to some people, but when I you can, you know, when you feel your heart rate get elevated, when I Talking about an idea and I can feel my heart rate get all the way down.

01:02:13.000 I'm usually like, that's a good indicator that it's like a good idea because it means I'm getting like, dude, this is a good idea.

01:02:18.000 Yeah, I know.

01:02:18.000 I can literally feel, or not anymore, but like a couple minutes ago, I could feel my heart beating because I was getting excited.

01:02:23.000 And it's like, that usually almost always correlates with people because if I'm getting excited talking about it, you have to think like a lot of things right now are because of TikTok and reels and stuff, they go viral because of word of mouth.

01:02:35.000 And so, like, if just talking about the idea gets someone excited, then that usually means like a lot of people are just going to talk about it.

01:02:42.000 And if a lot of people are talking about it, obviously a lot of people watch it.

01:02:44.000 And so, That's why I call it kind of like the heart rate effect.

01:02:46.000 Like, that's like my number one signal that people are going to talk about this and freaking love it if we try it.

01:02:51.000 I can see it.

01:02:52.000 I can see scenes.

01:02:52.000 Yeah.

01:02:54.000 I can see darkness starting to settle in on the town.

01:02:57.000 And I could see the people like trying to figure out where to hide and what to do.

01:02:57.000 Yeah.

01:03:00.000 And the eyes that, that was genius.

01:03:02.000 Yeah, dude.

01:03:03.000 I could see the eyes.

01:03:04.000 And it's interesting because it's like combining the Venn diagram of us, right? 0.51

01:03:07.000 You're kind of representative of the very, like, I don't know, you're like just ability to really think deeply of like what makes it fucking cool.

01:03:16.000 And you're really hyper fixating on what makes the zombies cool and like the realistic nature of it.

01:03:21.000 And I'm hyper fixating on just kind of the overall set design and things.

01:03:25.000 There's like a Venn diagram in the middle where we combine like the two like obsessions and it really like merges together and makes something beautiful.

01:03:32.000 And you could also have like not just zombies, you could have like some other things that are out there too that can get people.

01:03:32.000 Yeah, man.

01:03:40.000 Yo, Jamie, can we get 10 days on his schedule?

01:03:42.000 Can he do one of the.

01:03:45.000 Actually, no, because you don't need the money, but it would be cool if you were competing in it because then that would be insane.

01:03:51.000 Yeah, it's too much time.

01:03:52.000 Exactly.

01:03:53.000 Just cancel some podcasts.

01:03:53.000 I know.

01:03:55.000 I like the idea of it, though.

01:03:56.000 How about we.

01:03:57.000 Or never mind.

01:03:58.000 You pick them up in the car to take them to a podcast, and they're like, oh, whoops, we're in an abandoned city.

01:04:03.000 Oh, here's your shotgun you talked about a year ago, Joe.

01:04:06.000 Wow, anyways, zombies are coming tonight.

01:04:07.000 What, he's going to leave and not shoot zombies?

01:04:09.000 Come on.

01:04:10.000 Have you ever done sandbox VR?

01:04:14.000 Is that the one where it's like you just go in and there's random worlds and you can walk around on them?

01:04:18.000 Uh huh.

01:04:19.000 It's a warehouse.

01:04:19.000 You go in there and they have fans and stuff so it simulates the wind.

01:04:24.000 And you go in there and you put on a headset and you put on a haptic feedback vest.

01:04:29.000 And one of them is called Deadwood Mansion.

01:04:31.000 That's my favorite one. 0.60

01:04:32.000 And you go in there and you shoot zombies.

01:04:34.000 You're in a mansion.

01:04:35.000 You're in this abandoned mansion and rats come out and zombies and there's guys in the ceiling. 0.97

01:04:40.000 It's Fucking awesome. 0.95

01:04:41.000 You would love it. 0.93

01:04:41.000 Yeah. 0.93

01:04:42.000 But you might get some ideas if you do that because.

01:04:45.000 You mean we?

01:04:46.000 We're co producing this now.

01:04:47.000 You're too invested.

01:04:48.000 You just spent 34 minutes on a whatever podcast, like ripping on it.

01:04:52.000 Well, there's something to it, man.

01:04:54.000 I just, I see it in my head.

01:04:56.000 I'm like, that would be an amazing show.

01:04:58.000 I just see these people, like, in a parking structure, like, setting up, getting ready, and the sun's coming down.

01:05:06.000 And they're like, look, we got it.

01:05:08.000 We have about 20 minutes of daylight left.

01:05:10.000 Yeah. 0.92

01:05:10.000 And you realize, like, God, I'm so fucking tired. 0.92

01:05:12.000 Well, and they're like, There's still $200,000 left we could earn today, but we need to start prepping this. 0.94

01:05:18.000 And one guy's just greedy as hell, and another guy's like, We're gonna lose if you do that.

01:05:22.000 And like infighting and stuff, as we're getting like dramatic, you know, B roll of it from like wide shots.

01:05:27.000 Cause everything too could be shot really far away.

01:05:30.000 So like, it's like lenses are punching in.

01:05:32.000 And so it's not like there's a camera crew on them.

01:05:34.000 And you could have each day when it's tasks, right?

01:05:38.000 So you have to accomplish something, and the more you accomplish, the more money you could potentially make.

01:05:41.000 Each day is an escape room. 0.54

01:05:44.000 So every day there's new puzzles to solve, and then you're getting fucking tired because you're not sleeping.

01:05:50.000 Actually, the escape room is a good through way to do the task.

01:05:53.000 It's not like some goofy stuff like move this rock from one side to the other, but like an actual escape room, and maybe the million dollars that win each day is inside.

01:06:01.000 So it could be like I drop a volt every day in the middle, and then you have to do a series of things to figure out the combination that are hard.

01:06:07.000 And then when you solve it, then it goes on the money pile.

01:06:10.000 Have you done many escape rooms?

01:06:13.000 I live in Greenville, North Carolina.

01:06:15.000 Like many there.

01:06:16.000 Me and my family, we do them everywhere we go. 0.96

01:06:18.000 They're fucking awesome. 0.94

01:06:19.000 And the best ones are in Vegas. 0.97

01:06:21.000 They have insane, they have an It one in Vegas, It One and It Two. 0.93

01:06:26.000 It's fucking incredible. 0.93

01:06:27.000 It's so good. 0.99

01:06:28.000 And it's huge.

01:06:29.000 It's like 30,000 square feet, this place.

01:06:31.000 And they actually have Pennywise the clown. 0.99

01:06:33.000 They have an actor who wears the fucking suit and looks just like Pennywise and scares the shit out of you. 0.99

01:06:38.000 It's amazing. 0.99

01:06:39.000 But those kind of people, you could recruit those kind of people to design puzzles and things where people have to do every day.

01:06:46.000 And then you're dealing with sleep deprivation and people having to work together and not, oh my God, dude.

01:06:52.000 And I know the perfect people for it.

01:06:54.000 We did for Salesforce, we did their Super Bowl commercial this year.

01:06:57.000 And in the commercial, I hid a million dollars in it.

01:07:01.000 Like, basically, if you watch the commercial just with your computer in the commercial, you could win a million dollars.

01:07:05.000 And there's like a bunch of random clues and puzzles hidden through it.

01:07:08.000 And over, and so the first thing it did, it took you to a website that just like loosely explained it.

01:07:13.000 Over 60 million people visited that site and attempted it, but it still took weeks for people to find the million dollars.

01:07:19.000 And it was like one of the craziest internet puzzle hunts ever because it would like take you to this website.

01:07:24.000 Which would then take you to this other one where you'd have to call a number and, like, it's a four hour voicemail.

01:07:29.000 But, like, at the very end, I would say, like, one, two, three, four, eight, blah, blah, blah.

01:07:33.000 And if you weren't recording this, you're going to have to listen to all four hours again, hang of.

01:07:35.000 And then it's just like sending you everywhere.

01:07:38.000 And it's basically like a hundred of the most complex puzzles on the internet.

01:07:42.000 And, like, it took this group of really high level puzzle solvers almost an entire month to solve it, even with a million dollars on the line.

01:07:49.000 And millions of people were trying it.

01:07:50.000 And there's a whole subreddit dedicated to it.

01:07:52.000 And so I just basically went on Reddit and I got all the most cracked out puzzle solvers in the world.

01:07:58.000 And I was like, If you had unlimited budget, how would you make the most insane puzzle ever?

01:08:02.000 And then that's what they came up with.

01:08:03.000 And it was like, it's like hard to even articulate the steps on it.

01:08:06.000 Like, some of it was, uh, uh, how do I even, I don't even know how to describe it.

01:08:10.000 It was like so complicated.

01:08:11.000 Like, sometimes there's like a page with like a bunch of buttons on it, like a million buttons, but only one works.

01:08:16.000 And like you have to go through and click it all.

01:08:18.000 And so some of them were mundane.

01:08:19.000 And then other stuff is like, you know, a paragraph of text and you have to like use some old language, like decipher the text to figure out what the words were.

01:08:25.000 And so like each puzzle required like a different skill set to like get through it.

01:08:30.000 Yeah.

01:08:32.000 I could think of all sorts of different things you could have these people do during the day, these different tasks, different puzzles that they have to solve.

01:08:41.000 Yeah.

01:08:41.000 There's languages I didn't even know exist.

01:08:43.000 So, in the commercial, I'm wearing a belt that just had different colors on it.

01:08:46.000 But if you put the colors in order, it translates to this thing.

01:08:50.000 I don't even understand what half the things were, but people were able to figure it out eventually.

01:08:55.000 They're just showing me, oh, this represents Braille, these dots.

01:08:58.000 And so we put them in this wave.

01:08:59.000 And then if you combine it with these colors, it got pretty insane.

01:09:02.000 So, it all ties back to the Super Bowl commercial.

01:09:05.000 And like all, every little thing in there.

01:09:07.000 And like, one part of the puzzle is you have to find locations on a map.

01:09:10.000 And like, in the commercial, I'm holding up a grenade and it's like a one plus question mark equals like whatever.

01:09:17.000 And it ends up being like, but the text is yellow and like, it's like a stone was drawing on it.

01:09:22.000 And like, it basically meant yellow stone.

01:09:25.000 And then you put in yellow stone in like this location thing on a different website.

01:09:28.000 And then it unlocks this.

01:09:29.000 And you had to draw like a circle on a globe.

01:09:31.000 It got like pretty crazy.

01:09:33.000 Wow.

01:09:34.000 Yeah, I know, which is why like tens of millions of people attempted it.

01:09:36.000 But it took almost a month for someone to win a million dollars, and like there's a million dollars online, and all you needed to win it was your computer.

01:09:42.000 So it was like pretty cool to see like communities form, and like people are doing like daily like podcasts and updates on it of like what the next like step of the puzzle were.

01:09:50.000 Because what you'll see in these puzzles too is like, uh, because we also did one years ago.

01:09:54.000 I love doing these like online scavenger hunts that with just your computer, you can win a bunch of money, and you'll see like when so like one person will solve a thing, and then hundreds of people will solve it right afterwards because they'll go post it on Reddit or they're working in groups, and so it will be like.

01:10:08.000 Stand still at like step 42, you know, no one's there.

01:10:11.000 And then you'll just see one person goes on this website that's step 42, and then tens of thousands of people would go there.

01:10:16.000 But then as you get closer to the end, you stop seeing that effect.

01:10:19.000 They start being more secretive and quiet about it.

01:10:22.000 And so it's pretty cool to see like the psychology of how they do it.

01:10:24.000 You could have these people completely unarmed in the beginning, and the only way they can get guns is to solve puzzles.

01:10:31.000 Yeah, or just find them, right?

01:10:32.000 Because if it's a bigger city, we just go.

01:10:34.000 Well, maybe that's the puzzle.

01:10:35.000 The puzzle is finding guns.

01:10:38.000 Yeah.

01:10:39.000 Some sort of a puzzle, and if you unlock that, it'll give you the location of where guns are.

01:10:44.000 Yeah.

01:10:45.000 Yeah.

01:10:46.000 And maybe, you know, I also think of like fun stuff too.

01:10:49.000 Like, we could give them, like, there could be a gun safe or armory in the city, but it's like they have to like break into it, right?

01:10:55.000 And that could just be a thing that takes like a ton of time.

01:10:58.000 Like, so they have to like go find, you know, I'm maybe one of the contestants we make sure is like certified in like explosives and stuff.

01:11:05.000 And there's, they have to like, oh, no, no, no shot of stream platform would be okay with this, but it would be cool if we let them like, there's like mixtures and stuff to make a bomb hidden throughout the thing and they have to go find it.

01:11:14.000 And he makes like a Mach C4 and puts it on it and, you know, and then that's how they get in the gun safe.

01:11:18.000 But maybe it's more like a, What's that, hack saw or whatever?

01:11:22.000 And it's like, you get a safe where if you hack saw it for like 10 hours, you can like break the lock on it and get in.

01:11:27.000 So then someone just has to stand there and hold it.

01:11:29.000 Or you give people a stethoscope and a book on how to crack safes.

01:11:34.000 True.

01:11:35.000 And you have like click, Yeah.

01:11:36.000 And try to figure it out.

01:11:38.000 And someone's just like there for like two days straight.

01:11:38.000 Yeah.

01:11:41.000 But then if he gets in, it's just straight loaded with ammo and stuff.

01:11:44.000 So it's like a risk reward.

01:11:46.000 There are old school safes that you can do that to.

01:11:48.000 I don't know if they can do that with the new ones.

01:11:50.000 But if you have like an old school safe, Or you can actually hear the tumblers turning.

01:11:50.000 Yeah.

01:11:55.000 Exactly.

01:11:55.000 Click, click, click.

01:11:56.000 Well, we could also just build the lock.

01:11:58.000 I mean, the beauty with a team like ours is like, it's possible.

01:12:01.000 Just like get the safe that looks aesthetically how you want and then just replace the lock, right?

01:12:05.000 Yeah, just make it so that it's fixed, it's solvable, not complicated.

01:12:10.000 Yeah, yeah, that would be cool.

01:12:12.000 Because then it's like, well, I'm a big fan of when they have agency.

01:12:15.000 And so it's like, you know, it's like we could even lay it out there like, this will take days to solve.

01:12:19.000 And so you could spend days going collecting guns or days making money to grow the prize pool.

01:12:19.000 Yeah.

01:12:24.000 Or you could spend days trying to get lucky on this safe that is doable, but there's no guarantee you figure it out.

01:12:29.000 And having tons of stuff like that, that's what makes it interesting too for the viewer because you're like, I love in these kind of reality shows where a viewer can ask, What would I do?

01:12:37.000 Right.

01:12:38.000 And that's what tends to be what people in families when they watch together, they love.

01:12:38.000 Yes.

01:12:43.000 Like in Beast Games, when I offer someone a million dollars, but you have to eliminate your friends, sometimes people turn down the million dollars, sometimes people take the million dollars and eliminate their friends.

01:12:51.000 And that's an interesting thing to go, Well, if I was in their spot, I don't care.

01:12:55.000 Like, it's a million dollars.

01:12:56.000 The point is to make money.

01:12:57.000 That's why I'm on the show.

01:12:58.000 But other people see that and they're like, no, like, my integrity is worth, you know, I wouldn't take a billion dollars over my integrity, right?

01:12:58.000 Take the risk.

01:13:04.000 And for, you know, and some people, you know, even though it's a game show, they're like, no, I care, you know.

01:13:09.000 And so, but giving them like these kind of dilemmas all throughout it too.

01:13:13.000 So then as a viewer, I can be like, yeah, well, I wouldn't do that.

01:13:16.000 I would just go scavenge, you know, it'd be cool.

01:13:18.000 Also, you could make it so that ammo and certain supplies are only available at night.

01:13:26.000 So, they're incentivized to move.

01:13:27.000 You have to go out.

01:13:29.000 You have to decide whether or not it's worth getting caught, whether or not you can sneak around and grab the ammo.

01:13:36.000 And then you also have to find it.

01:13:38.000 You have to find the ammo, maybe find food, find supplies.

01:13:42.000 Like, supplies are left in duffel bags at night.

01:13:45.000 You know, bro, there's so many ways we could take this.

01:13:48.000 Something that would be cool is every night we move their pile of money into a random building that they don't know.

01:13:53.000 But it's all pre selected.

01:13:53.000 Right.

01:13:54.000 So, it's not like we're screwing them.

01:13:55.000 So, like, we as producers know the 10 buildings each episode.

01:13:58.000 So then night comes.

01:14:00.000 Come in, lift up the money, and we put like a helicopter, literally lifts it up, puts it on top of a different building.

01:14:05.000 So now they have to get set up in this building to defend it, but they weren't planned on it.

01:14:09.000 So that's why, because also, yeah, that's the other thing you have to make where every episode's not the same.

01:14:13.000 So then now every nighttime would be different because they're in a different building and they don't have it.

01:14:17.000 Yeah, that's cool.

01:14:21.000 And finding like having like random ammo caches.

01:14:25.000 Maybe during the day they have to solve the puzzle that lets them acquire a map and then they have to figure out.

01:14:34.000 Where these random ammo dumps are and supply dumps are and food dumps are.

01:14:39.000 So they're already hidden.

01:14:40.000 Well, actually, you know what?

01:14:41.000 But you have to go out at night to find them.

01:14:43.000 What would be really cool is if we could find an abandoned city that had like miles away, like some other little location that we could like.

01:14:50.000 So they find a map and it's like, yeah, on the other side of those woods, but it's like a 10 mile hike.

01:14:54.000 And so could you get there, go grab tons of ammo, and then get back before nighttime?

01:14:54.000 You know what I mean?

01:14:58.000 Right.

01:14:59.000 And so then that's also like, I'm a big fan of like scene diversity and biodiversity so things don't feel repetitive.

01:15:03.000 So then they're going to a different city, but their million or whatever the price pool is still in the other one.

01:15:08.000 So you have to go and then come back to defend it at night.

01:15:10.000 And so it's like, now you get like, you can like dual cut because you can have the people in the city.

01:15:15.000 You have the people journeying through the woods, and it's like interesting to cut back and forth.

01:15:18.000 And then, if they go out to that city and they make the journey and they realize it's going to take us 10 hours to solve this, by that time it'll be two in the morning, it's already going to be dark.

01:15:27.000 We should go back now. 0.99

01:15:28.000 Like, no, fuck it, we're here. 1.00

01:15:29.000 Exactly. 1.00

01:15:30.000 And then, agency, right?

01:15:31.000 Do they stay and spend the night there and trust their friends and they have no, maybe no walkie talkie, so they can't communicate?

01:15:37.000 And their friends are like holding down a four with the million dollars on top, and they're like, where the heck are they?

01:15:42.000 And they're like, and we get so many cool shots like that, you know?

01:15:45.000 This, so I mean, we've only done this in an hour, right?

01:15:48.000 An hour or so.

01:15:49.000 There's so many different possibilities if you just sat down and worked.

01:15:53.000 It must be so fun to do what you do, dude.

01:15:55.000 Exactly.

01:15:55.000 Well, this is what we're doing right now we're what I would call blue skying, and we're not thinking about, for the most part, restrictions.

01:16:02.000 We're just thinking about what's great content.

01:16:04.000 And a lot of that's lost.

01:16:05.000 Like people in a lot of writers' room, they'd instantly be like, you can't do that, or that's not possible, or whatever.

01:16:09.000 And it's like, right now, we're just figuring out what is the best show possible.

01:16:13.000 And then I'll just have people go figure out what is possible or not.

01:16:16.000 And in reality, everything we've said is possible.

01:16:19.000 It's just certain things will require a little bit of time, like the safe, you know, using a modern safe, but changing the lock.

01:16:24.000 That's possible.

01:16:25.000 What does it cost and how long does it take, right?

01:16:26.000 You just go through and you attach all that to everything and you do a very first principles way of going about it.

01:16:31.000 And then it's just objective.

01:16:32.000 It would take X amount of time, it would cost as much money.

01:16:34.000 And then, like, you know, and then you just go through and figure out what's worth it, what's not, as opposed to, you know, every step of the way, people being like, no, you can't do that.

01:16:41.000 Go ahead and redo it.

01:16:42.000 And it's just like a, it seems obvious, but I'm not really sure of many media companies that approach it like we do, which is.

01:16:48.000 No, well, the thing about what you've done is you've built it from the ground up with yourself and with your team.

01:16:55.000 Right?

01:16:56.000 So, you've never had a bunch of executives telling you what you should be or shouldn't be doing.

01:17:00.000 And that's why it's so great.

01:17:01.000 It's like these a bunch of creative people, and then you have the business people.

01:17:05.000 And the business people, they think they're creative, but they're generally not.

01:17:08.000 And they want to tell the creative people what to do so that they can say, that was my idea.

01:17:12.000 And so, then you get a bunch of people in meetings that give you terrible advice and terrible ideas.

01:17:16.000 And then they also want to compare it to shows that have already been successful.

01:17:16.000 Bingo.

01:17:20.000 Exactly.

01:17:20.000 Well, we've already done this, and why don't we do it this way?

01:17:22.000 And then you don't get the purple cow effect, which everyone knows.

01:17:25.000 What's the purple cow effect?

01:17:26.000 So, if you're driving down the road and you see a cow, who cares?

01:17:29.000 You'll never think of it.

01:17:30.000 But if you're driving around the world and the road and you see a purple cow, you're going to think about it like, why was that cow purple?

01:17:35.000 And it'll stick in your brain.

01:17:36.000 It's the same thing with content.

01:17:37.000 If it's a show you've seen multiple times or a format that's similar, you won't think twice.

01:17:41.000 But if it's a purple cow, if it's something you've never seen, then you'll think about it again.

01:17:44.000 And that's what's counterintuitive to how, like you were saying, most execs think.

01:17:47.000 They think, well, we did this before, it did well, repeat it.

01:17:50.000 But it's actually the inverse of how you should look at it.

01:17:52.000 And thankfully, that's why with Beast Games, I've worked with Prime Video because they just give us creative control and they're like, you know what you're doing, you can do it.

01:17:59.000 But everyone sees that creators are growing bigger and bigger audiences.

01:18:02.000 And so a lot of, you know, Every platform on earth is trying to work with them.

01:18:06.000 And I can't count the amount of times like a creator's worked with this streaming platform.

01:18:09.000 And then, you know, what they have is great, but then the execs start giving notes and it starts to lose a little bit of the soul, a little bit of the funny.

01:18:15.000 And then it goes from this like amazing thing to like, it's all right.

01:18:18.000 And it's like, it's just so frustrating because it's like you're paying them because they get millions of views of video because they have a core audience.

01:18:24.000 And then you're stripping the thing away that got them that core audience.

01:18:27.000 And it's like, why are you even working with them at that point?

01:18:29.000 And more and more platforms are like waking up to it, but it's just like comical how slow they are to it.

01:18:34.000 And like, they should just trust them more.

01:18:37.000 Well, it's hard for them because they have to put up so much money, and not everybody's Mr. Beast.

01:18:41.000 You know, that's the problem.

01:18:41.000 Yeah.

01:18:42.000 It's like you have a great vision and you're really good at executing, but some people aren't.

01:18:46.000 And so if you're going to dump a bunch of money into something, you see them making a disaster, like The Joker 2 or something like that.

01:18:52.000 You're like, hey, hey, hey. 0.99

01:18:53.000 What the fuck are you doing? 0.98

01:18:55.000 And that's where it's like, well, to an exec might be a disaster, to a creator might be a masterpiece. 0.99

01:18:55.000 Of course. 0.99

01:19:01.000 And so that's obviously where, but it's evolving.

01:19:04.000 And I mean, I think obviously with Obsession, I mean, they just gross $400 million.

01:19:07.000 Isn't that crazy?

01:19:08.000 I still haven't seen it, but I heard it's amazing.

01:19:10.000 Oh, what?

01:19:11.000 You would love it.

01:19:11.000 I know.

01:19:12.000 I just don't go to movie theaters anymore.

01:19:13.000 I don't either, but like that one.

01:19:15.000 As with how well people were talking about it, I had to see it.

01:19:17.000 It'll be streaming soon.

01:19:19.000 I think it'll be streaming in July or something.

01:19:21.000 Yeah, Obsession, Backrooms, which made by a creator, Mason Digital Circus, they've been crushing it, Iron Link.

01:19:26.000 So it's like Hollywood seeing it more and more.

01:19:28.000 But the writing's been there for years.

01:19:29.000 But now that I mean, we just had essentially four hit films made by creators back to back to back to back.

01:19:34.000 Well, did you see Talk to Me?

01:19:36.000 No.

01:19:36.000 Talk to Me, the horror movie?

01:19:38.000 No.

01:19:38.000 It was great.

01:19:39.000 These two guys from Australia, they were hilarious.

01:19:41.000 These two brothers, they came in and they talked to me about it.

01:19:44.000 But they were making YouTube videos.

01:19:46.000 Yeah.

01:19:46.000 And they made it again?

01:19:47.000 It's called Talk to Me, right?

01:19:48.000 No, what's the creator's names?

01:19:51.000 Michael and Danny Philippu.

01:19:51.000 Jamie will pull it up.

01:19:54.000 So they're so funny.

01:19:54.000 Okay.

01:19:56.000 They were on the podcast.

01:19:57.000 What's YouTube channel?

01:19:57.000 They speak like a million miles an hour.

01:20:00.000 Yeah.

01:20:02.000 I can't think of their channel. 0.94

01:20:03.000 They're the Rack A Racka. 0.98

01:20:06.000 Yeah, of course.

01:20:08.000 That movie is great.

01:20:08.000 Yeah.

01:20:09.000 Have you seen it?

01:20:10.000 No, I haven't seen it.

01:20:11.000 It's really good.

01:20:11.000 No.

01:20:12.000 It's really scary.

01:20:13.000 And it's very original.

01:20:14.000 Wait, when did you have the Rack A Racka Brothers on?

01:20:16.000 A couple years ago.

01:20:17.000 Oh, really?

01:20:18.000 Two years ago, yeah, they talk fast as hell, dude.

01:20:20.000 They're just like trying to corral them.

01:20:23.000 It's like, hey, they're super cool guys.

01:20:26.000 I last time I hung out with them, I uh, weirdly enough, I they're really into Uno and I, whatever, I like competitive games.

01:20:32.000 And I played a thousand dollar game of Uno against them, and uh, so we filmed it for like a little short for them, and um, and I lost, and I was like, okay, well, at least this will be funny.

01:20:43.000 And then after they leave to like go back to our show, they're like, the SD card's corrupt, and I was like, oh, what?

01:20:47.000 So we need to upload it, so it was just funny because it was like.

01:20:52.000 We had this like mini set and we were playing like a really intense game of Uno where we were like slapping cards.

01:20:57.000 SD cards corrupt.

01:20:58.000 I know.

01:20:58.000 That's crazy.

01:20:59.000 It was like wild.

01:21:00.000 And like we were like flipping desk and like going.

01:21:02.000 Like we were just the most batshit game of Uno you've ever seen.

01:21:05.000 And it's just funny.

01:21:06.000 The kids came like taking over top.

01:21:08.000 Yeah, those guys are super cool.

01:21:09.000 Well, they made a movie about a hand.

01:21:12.000 And so it's like this ancient hand that it looks like a sculpture and it's got all this weird cryptic writing on it.

01:21:19.000 And if you put your hand on it, you hold on to it and you say, talk to me.

01:21:24.000 Like all of a sudden you get.

01:21:27.000 Possessed by something, and you're supposed to let go within a certain amount of seconds.

01:21:32.000 And if you let go within a certain amount of seconds, you're okay.

01:21:35.000 But somebody doesn't, somebody doesn't let go.

01:21:37.000 And it's, I don't want to say anything more.

01:21:39.000 Okay.

01:21:39.000 It's really good.

01:21:40.000 Is it like Scary Scare?

01:21:41.000 Yeah.

01:21:42.000 Yeah, it's a horror movie.

01:21:43.000 It's fun.

01:21:43.000 All right.

01:21:44.000 Okay.

01:21:44.000 It's really good.

01:21:45.000 My fiance loves horror films, so you'll love it.

01:21:47.000 It's really well.

01:21:48.000 And it was like, when I saw it, I was like, this is crazy.

01:21:51.000 These guys, like super young guys, just energetic, enthusiastic, creative guys, just figured out how to make a horror movie.

01:21:58.000 And it's all done in Australia. 1.00

01:21:59.000 So it's like everyone's driving on the wrong side of the road and they're all Australian people. 0.99

01:22:04.000 So it's like you don't have to have famous actors to make these amazing movies. 0.99

01:22:08.000 Yeah.

01:22:08.000 It's like it's not really necessary.

01:22:10.000 Well, like the back rooms, I think the director is like 20 years old or whatever.

01:22:13.000 I mean, very, very young.

01:22:14.000 And I think it just crossed 100 million.

01:22:16.000 And Obsession, same thing, right?

01:22:17.000 Yeah.

01:22:18.000 Yeah.

01:22:18.000 I think they're a little older, but yeah, in their 20s YouTubers.

01:22:21.000 And they make like Curry, just the silliest, goofiest skits on TikTok and Instagram reels.

01:22:27.000 And now, you know, and then you watch Obsession.

01:22:28.000 It really is like one of the best movies I've seen in a while.

01:22:31.000 And it's just like hilarious to see the jump.

01:22:33.000 But when you look backwards, it's kind of like Steve Jobs says it's hard to connect the dots going forward, but you can connect them looking backwards.

01:22:38.000 When you look back at his skits, they were very well shot and very, you know, like, uh, beautiful.

01:22:43.000 And you could, you can, like, kind of connect in your dots.

01:22:45.000 I can see how this person made hundreds upon hundreds of these, like, little scenes on TikTok and Instagram.

01:22:50.000 And then that led to, you know, to compile a bunch.

01:22:52.000 And it was, like, essentially practice for the movie.

01:22:54.000 And, uh, it's just cool to see the progression of so many directors going over.

01:22:58.000 And what's interesting, though, is when you see these things happen, there's obviously a delay, right?

01:23:02.000 Because producing films takes sometimes years.

01:23:04.000 And so, like, now that you see all these hits, bang, bang, bang, coming out of the creator space over in traditional Hollywood, then it's not.

01:23:11.000 You're not going to see the fact six months from now, but 18 months from now, I bet, I would bet money you're going to see dozens of other movies, you know, made by creators.

01:23:18.000 And obviously, these people are going to get more funding.

01:23:20.000 And because now everyone's eyes are being opened to like what should have been open a while ago, but that this is what people are watching now, like especially people under the age of 30, they grow up watching YouTube and they're spending, you know, two hours a day flipping through sub 60 second vertical feeds of TikTok, reels, and, you know, shorts.

01:23:35.000 And this is culture for them.

01:23:36.000 This is their world, you know?

01:23:37.000 Like, I don't watch, besides Christopher Nolan, like, I'm not really going to a movie theater for anything, but when a creator drops a movie, I'm like, okay, I want to see what they did.

01:23:46.000 I always want to see what new innovators are coming up with.

01:23:49.000 People that are just thinking outside the box, they're not trapped in that sort of weird world of how to make a successful film.

01:23:58.000 They have a creative vision, they're just trying to follow it out.

01:24:02.000 And people are not limited to whatever genre you know them from.

01:24:05.000 Just because someone makes funny TikTok reels doesn't mean they can't make a great horror film.

01:24:09.000 Exactly.

01:24:10.000 But think about Jordan Peele, right?

01:24:13.000 Keen Peele made this comedy sketch show, and then all of a sudden he makes these. 0.99

01:24:18.000 You know, like get out, and you're like, What the fuck? 0.95

01:24:20.000 It seems like comedy sketches is the gateway to great horror films. 0.97

01:24:24.000 I mean, I'm sure people have connected that dots, and I'm probably like two years late to saying that, but I never even realized that.

01:24:29.000 But yeah, Keenan Peele, Curry, Baker, a bunch of other people.

01:24:32.000 It's so funny.

01:24:33.000 Well, it seems like if you're creative, you can be like most people have a variety of things that are interesting to them.

01:24:39.000 You know, you like comedy movies, you like horror movies, and just because you make comedies doesn't mean you don't have some good ideas about something that's absolutely terrifying.

01:24:47.000 Yeah, and I wonder too, I feel like horror films, it's a little easier to do on a smaller budget because it's like, A lot of it is like the unknown, and you're not necessarily having to show it and suspense and stuff.

01:24:56.000 Whereas, like, you know, you don't really see, like, I can't really think of like a sub, like, couple million dollar action film that, like, really crushed because, like, obviously, those are very expensive.

01:25:05.000 So it seems like also a good place where you can make something like the difference between a hundred million dollar horror film and like a ten million dollar horror film.

01:25:13.000 I would argue, honestly, really isn't that big, right?

01:25:16.000 Because it's what depends on what you're doing, right?

01:25:18.000 But it's like what makes it good is the premise behind it, right?

01:25:22.000 Like, the tension and like.

01:25:23.000 If the thing that's scary makes you feel that way, but feelings aren't directly correlated to money spent.

01:25:30.000 And you could have this monster that doesn't appear to the end, and you don't need to CGI it throughout the whole thing.

01:25:36.000 But if you tell the story in the right way and the constant tension, you can feel phenomenal throughout the whole thing.

01:25:41.000 Sure.

01:25:42.000 And a lot of the older films that didn't have the kind of special effects that they have today in terms of CGI, there was something better about not seeing the monster.

01:25:52.000 Like American Werewolf in London is the best example.

01:25:55.000 You barely see it.

01:25:56.000 You see it for like literally a half a second, a few times in the early parts of the movie.

01:26:00.000 I haven't seen the movie.

01:26:01.000 Oh, you haven't seen it?

01:26:02.000 It's amazing.

01:26:02.000 Oh, my God.

01:26:03.000 Speaking of not seeing a movie, I did watch Ex Machina after the last podcast.

01:26:07.000 Yeah, it was really good.

01:26:07.000 How good is that?

01:26:08.000 You know, honestly, I was like, it's probably silly, but I'll watch it because, you know, Joe told me it years ago.

01:26:15.000 I didn't realize it was that good.

01:26:15.000 I loved it.

01:26:17.000 It's one of my top 10 all time favorite movies.

01:26:19.000 Also, because it's coming.

01:26:21.000 That's coming.

01:26:22.000 Oh, now, yeah, it's more relevant than ever.

01:26:24.000 Did you see the computer electronics show from Vegas this year?

01:26:26.000 Computer with the drone?

01:26:28.000 CES on.

01:26:29.000 Well, they have everything.

01:26:30.000 And one of the things they had was an AI companion. 1.00

01:26:32.000 And this AI companion is a hot Asian lady with big boobs. 1.00

01:26:37.000 The lips don't sync up with the mouth, which is with the way the sounds coming out, but it's talking to you in AI. 1.00

01:26:37.000 Lovely. 1.00

01:26:45.000 So it literally can have a back and forth conversation with you just like Perplexity can.

01:26:45.000 Yeah.

01:26:49.000 Yeah.

01:26:50.000 Or ChatGPT or ChatGPT.

01:26:51.000 And it's doing it with a voice.

01:26:53.000 So with a hot voice.

01:26:54.000 I mean, and it's like, that's common, dude.

01:26:57.000 I mean, the language model is already there, right?

01:26:57.000 Well, of course.

01:27:00.000 You can open up Gemini right now and talk to it like a normal human.

01:27:03.000 And if you just tell it to respond quick, it will talk to you.

01:27:03.000 Yeah.

01:27:05.000 And it'll talk to you with slang.

01:27:07.000 It'll talk to you and say that part.

01:27:10.000 Like it'll say, it'll.

01:27:11.000 Well, one thing that's It's funny.

01:27:13.000 I play this board game a lot called Dune, whatever, like a big nerd.

01:27:17.000 But there's like this one.

01:27:18.000 It's called Dune?

01:27:19.000 Yeah, Dune, the movies?

01:27:20.000 Yeah, it's a recreation.

01:27:21.000 What's funny, I hadn't even seen the movies when I started playing the game.

01:27:23.000 I didn't even realize there were movies.

01:27:25.000 I didn't even know there were books.

01:27:26.000 I just was looking for like fun strategy board games that I used to play a lot of Catan, but the problem with Catan, it's like dice roll.

01:27:32.000 And, you know, if you get unlucky, you don't really win.

01:27:34.000 There's like games where, you know, there's a skill ceiling where, you know, the best player always wins, which is chess is a perfect example of that.

01:27:40.000 But then it gets to a point of like, Well, if you want to be really great at that, it's who spends the most time doing it.

01:27:45.000 So, I don't want one that's 100% skill, but I don't want something that's too much randomness.

01:27:49.000 I'm sorry, I take board games a little serious because I love strategy games.

01:27:52.000 And, like, because if it's too much dice roll, like theoretically Monopoly or Catan, then it's like, who cares?

01:27:58.000 It's just whether or not you got lucky.

01:27:59.000 So, it's like, I did a lot of research into finding a game where there's a little bit of randomness.

01:28:04.000 So, it's not just about all your life, but there is an infinite skill ceiling.

01:28:07.000 And so that's where I kind of landed on this game called Dune.

01:28:09.000 And I started playing it.

01:28:10.000 And it also had to be a game where enough people played it where I could actually find people play it.

01:28:14.000 And I got really hooked into it.

01:28:15.000 But it's ironic because then I saw the movies are dropping.

01:28:18.000 I was like, oh, that.

01:28:20.000 And then all the characters started to make sense after I watched the movies.

01:28:22.000 After I've been probably a thousand hours into the game, I was totally backwards on the IP.

01:28:26.000 But, anyways, because we were talking about talking to one of the top players, he makes YouTube videos on it.

01:28:32.000 And I was kind of curious what he would do if he was in certain positions as me.

01:28:38.000 So I just took all the transcripts of 100 of his YouTube videos and I just put it into Gemini.

01:28:44.000 And I was just like, hey, You know, respond to me based on how this person would and talk to me like this person would, and like, what would this person say in this scenario?

01:28:52.000 And then when I was like playing a game, I just asked the questions, like, the player's name's Dino, whatever.

01:28:56.000 But, and so I called it dino.io.

01:28:58.000 And I'd be like, what would dino.io do here?

01:29:01.000 And it was pretty funny because it would respond just like him because it had so many like words from all his videos, like dozens of hours.

01:29:07.000 And it was, and like, I know one of Dino's friends, his name is Che.

01:29:12.000 And I was like, would you take a bullet for Che?

01:29:14.000 And Dino's like a very analytical guy.

01:29:15.000 And like, the AI was like, well, It depends.

01:29:18.000 Is it in the foot?

01:29:19.000 Is it in the chest?

01:29:20.000 And it responded exactly how my friend would, like to a T, like with his same mannerisms and everything.

01:29:25.000 I was like, this is crazy.

01:29:26.000 Like, this is absolutely insane.

01:29:28.000 And then so I would put it where it was on a Discord call, and like, Dino, we would be playing.

01:29:33.000 And then I'd ask a question, and I'd be like, no, actually, Dino, don't say anything.

01:29:36.000 And I'd ask Dino.io, and it would respond exactly how he would respond in most of these situations, because it had so much like contextual relevance from all his live streams on his YouTube channel.

01:29:45.000 And it was pretty crazy.

01:29:47.000 Yeah, and so it was just so surreal.

01:29:50.000 So, talking about the robot thing, I just wondered too if you put a pendant around someone's neck and you just recorded them talking for a week or two, and then you just fed that into an LLM, and then you were like, hey, talk to me like this person talks.

01:30:01.000 You could have that, whatever Asian robot you're talking about, you could have it literally talk to you like some other human, right?

01:30:08.000 Because it's interesting too, because I was like, hey, give me a breakdown of Dino's speech.

01:30:12.000 And it was like, hey, 0.15% of his words are um, around 0.3% of what he says is like, it gave me like a full breakdown of the last 100,000 words he said.

01:30:21.000 What percentage they are, how he typically structures his things.

01:30:23.000 Like, if you put him in a stressful situation, he'll like kind of respond more like this, but if it's more chill, he'll use this vocabulary.

01:30:29.000 It was like really cool, but also scary because I was like, man, I have a lot of me talking, right?

01:30:35.000 Like this podcast, theoretically, people could just take dozens of hours of this and just make like a little Jimmy.io.

01:30:40.000 And it's enough where it can pick up on my speech patterns and how I would respond to certain situations.

01:30:44.000 100%.

01:30:45.000 You can do that easily.

01:30:46.000 And then just put you in a robot and now Jimmy lives forever.

01:30:49.000 Exactly.

01:30:50.000 Or you can just have your robot be whoever, which is like kind of weird, like ill.

01:30:54.000 That would be very weird.

01:30:55.000 You living with you.

01:30:57.000 Imagine you have a robot and you get the robot to do stuff around your house.

01:31:01.000 Or hiring a housekeeper.

01:31:03.000 Yeah.

01:31:03.000 You come home and Jimmy's vacuuming.

01:31:06.000 Oh, God.

01:31:07.000 Or not even cynically, just sad.

01:31:08.000 It's like, You know, if you lost a loved one or something, and then yeah, I know, but that's pet cemetery talk, yeah.

01:31:13.000 But if someone's like really grieving, they might, you know, do it because they want some normalcy back or something, probably feel empty and hollow and even creepier. 0.99

01:31:21.000 You have a robot that's pretending to be your husband, yeah, yeah, fuck off, that's crazy, I know, but it's just, I don't know, these next few years are gonna be crazy, man. 0.85

01:31:30.000 Everything's developing so rapidly, and yeah, it's just, I, yeah, it's uh, 2036 is gonna be completely different than 2026. 0.99

01:31:38.000 I know, isn't that there's never been a time where.

01:31:41.000 The future is so uncertain where no one can give you a really accurate map of what 10 years from now looks like.

01:31:47.000 The difference between 1930 and 1940?

01:31:50.000 Not much, other than world events.

01:31:54.000 The difference between 1600 and 1700?

01:31:58.000 Not much.

01:31:59.000 Not much different.

01:32:00.000 Maybe better boats, maybe better muskets. 0.94

01:32:03.000 The difference between 2026 and 2036 is going to be who fucking knows, man? 0.94

01:32:09.000 Full on Blade Runner. 0.92

01:32:11.000 I mean, it's.

01:32:12.000 I just like that some of the people I see working on, like you know, augmented reality glasses, and like where you know, like there's animes where people get trapped in video games and stuff like that.

01:32:21.000 And I could really see, like, you know, with AI advancing and with more and more compute, where you could just you know put on a headset and live in a video game, and you could literally just generate whatever the world is you want in literally, like you know, 10 years from now, potentially just real time generate the video game you want to be in and cater it to what you like.

01:32:37.000 And just so many possibilities.

01:32:38.000 And obviously, with humanoid robots just skyrocketing, I mean, it doesn't take a genius to see well, with intelligence, you know, computer intelligence getting better.

01:32:46.000 And humanoid robots, all these just tens of billions of dollars pouring into it.

01:32:49.000 They're obviously someone's going to figure out how to merge them together.

01:32:52.000 And yeah, I mean, 10 years from now, we're definitely going to just there's going to be humanoid robots and so many things that now would seem weird as hell.

01:32:58.000 But 10 years from now, we'd be like, oh, it's normal.

01:33:00.000 10 years from now, you're going to have a show where people have to figure out whether or not someone's a robot or a real person.

01:33:06.000 I would say 10 years from now, that would be five years from now, probably 10 years from now.

01:33:11.000 I feel like that would just be like, you know, is this a rock or an iPhone or whatever?

01:33:15.000 Like, no, they're just going to be normalized too, especially like younger people, like younger kids who.

01:33:19.000 Grow up with Chat GPT and AI and stuff like that.

01:33:22.000 It's like, it's just intuitive to them, you know, to use these things or, um, as opposed to other means.

01:33:28.000 And so it's just like, as that generation, you know, grow, once they become a thing, then give it a couple years for people to get used to it and normalize to it.

01:33:34.000 And then, you know, it's not going to take that long.

01:33:36.000 It's going to be very, very, very weird.

01:33:36.000 Yeah.

01:33:39.000 Yeah.

01:33:39.000 It is.

01:33:41.000 It's like, and it's also like scary because you don't know the implications, like whether it'll be negative, positive, you know, some people will be negative for other people, probably positive, right?

01:33:49.000 You know, um, Like, if you're a VFX artist in media, you'll probably be able to spend more time doing cool stuff and creative work and less time like going frame by frame and like, you know, like no one actually enjoys like rotoscoping someone's hair and like, you know, so you can, you know, remove a background shot or whatever.

01:34:06.000 So, like, for certain people like that, ideally, you know, it'd allow them to, you know, instead of you just, you know, draw a circle around them and then it just collapses on them and AI just figures it out.

01:34:15.000 So you're not going, you know, frame by frame and drawing around their body and it does that.

01:34:19.000 And you can spend more time doing actual like creative fun work, you know, and hopefully that's where it goes and not to the point where.

01:34:25.000 You just don't even need the person entirely.

01:34:26.000 But it's like anyone's guess where the puck ends up stopping, you know?

01:34:30.000 Yeah, it's going to be real weird, man.

01:34:32.000 Real weird.

01:34:33.000 It's going to be interesting.

01:34:35.000 You know, hopefully we'll survive.

01:34:37.000 But I mean, I'm an optimist.

01:34:40.000 I think we'll survive.

01:34:41.000 But yeah, I'm an optimist too.

01:34:42.000 But I have a feeling that we'll have a different role in society.

01:34:47.000 That's for sure.

01:34:47.000 I don't think we'll be the leaders anymore.

01:34:49.000 Oh, that far.

01:34:51.000 Yeah, I think AI is going to take over most things.

01:34:51.000 Okay.

01:34:55.000 Including government, including allocation of resources.

01:34:55.000 Yeah.

01:34:59.000 It's going to probably restrict people's ability to make decisions because we're so destructive.

01:35:04.000 Yeah.

01:35:05.000 I did.

01:35:06.000 I listened to your podcast with Mark Andreessen, and I do like what he said, or not like, but it's just interesting when you pointed out that, like, you know, AI is the smartest doctor in the world, is the smartest blank in the world, is the smartest of everything, right?

01:35:16.000 And typically, you know, billionaires like him would be only have limited access to these high level professionals in each industry, but now it's essentially democratized that and everyone has access to the smartest person in the world in each of these industries.

01:35:28.000 And so it is pretty interesting because if it is not omnipotent, but all knowing and knows all these things, like, it's like scary because it's like we don't want, as a human, I'm like, no, I don't want to make those decisions.

01:35:38.000 But if you like, Purely take emotion out of it logically.

01:35:41.000 It's like, well, would you rather a human with flaws that could do something fairly bad or this thing that has a lot more context and you know, knowledge and experience?

01:35:48.000 Right?

01:35:48.000 You say you want an experienced person making a decision.

01:35:50.000 Well, technically, this has the experience of everyone ever in history on the internet, right?

01:35:54.000 So, yeah, but it's also, I don't even know, man, it's crazy.

01:35:57.000 But hopefully, for the most part, right now, at least it seems like it's allowing people to do less like busy work and less things that they don't enjoy and focus more, at least in media, what I'm seeing, focus more on things they.

01:36:10.000 They do enjoy, like I was saying, like the example of not having to roto every single frame on a body or you know being able to pre visualize scenes or or whatever.

01:36:17.000 So, I it's like it seems and everything I'm seeing, and maybe I live in a bubble on Twitter, it seems like it's not killing that many jobs yet, but not yet, yeah, but it could.

01:36:27.000 But the idea is that it could also provide so much wealth for everybody that we no longer have to think about money in terms of like you need food, you need shelter, like, yeah, like this is universal high income, is Elon's.

01:36:42.000 Concept.

01:36:43.000 He thinks that literally people are not going to have to work anymore.

01:36:46.000 Then the problem with that is like, then you run into human nature problems.

01:36:49.000 And so we have to teach children how to pursue their interests rather than how to just worry about having a job to feed themselves.

01:36:57.000 And so then you have to give them motivation.

01:36:59.000 So you have to explain to them at an early age that going after tasks, completing tasks, doing things that are difficult and challenging is actually exciting and fun.

01:37:08.000 And that's what you should generate.

01:37:09.000 And then we're going to have to reward people based on that.

01:37:12.000 And it's just to figure out like what incentivizes people.

01:37:16.000 To do things because if they don't get incentivized, and then we also have VR and AR and games that you can play all day long that are way more exciting than real life.

01:37:27.000 That you don't want to just take your government money and play Call of Duty all day, yeah, especially if it becomes VR Call of Duty, exactly.

01:37:33.000 That's where it's going to get hard because I think of like how addicted to video games I was when I was a kid.

01:37:38.000 I mean, still to some degree now, but like, and if it was in a headset and like a completely different world, like, oh my gosh, like my poor mom, like, good luck getting me out of that.

01:37:47.000 Like, she struggled to get me to.

01:37:48.000 Stop staring at a screen and making Call of Duty YouTube videos and playing Call of Duty when I was younger.

01:37:52.000 And, you know, but if I was like actually in a headset, oh, and all my friends are on it, you know, and then you take it off and now you have freaking homework and like real life stuff.

01:38:01.000 And like you went from the most overstimulating, beautiful, different utopia world where everything's amazing and you're with your friends and you're having fun.

01:38:09.000 And then you take it off and you're back in like real life, which sucks.

01:38:12.000 Like that's like a whole different level of addiction than like current video games would have.

01:38:16.000 And I mean, I don't know what the timeline is on that stuff, but it's clear that that's going to happen in our life.

01:38:21.000 Times.

01:38:22.000 That's the matrix, and that's coming.

01:38:23.000 And there's going to be multiple levels of that, and it's also going to exponentially get better and better with each iteration.

01:38:29.000 Exactly.

01:38:29.000 There's no way to stop it, it's going to happen.

01:38:31.000 And that's sandbox VR, but times a million.

01:38:34.000 If you go to play those games, you're in a small room that's like a part of a giant warehouse where they have these things set up, and your room is, you know, like 50 feet by 50 feet, and you move around in there and you do a bunch of stuff.

01:38:47.000 But if this is an actual fucking warehouse, you have physical boundaries that exist, and then you're in a virtual space where as you're walking, it looks like the actual ground that you're walking on.

01:38:59.000 And you're involved, you won't be able to tell. 0.99

01:38:59.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:39:02.000 What's real and what's not real?

01:39:03.000 And what those omnidirectional treadmills and stuff when someone cracks the code.

01:39:08.000 You've probably never heard of it, but there's a popular anime called Sword Art Online.

01:39:12.000 It's just a guy gets trapped in a video game and he lives his life through there.

01:39:15.000 And I remember watching that when I was younger.

01:39:17.000 And I remember when I was really young, fresh off of watching that anime, I was like, man, I hope they figure this out in my lifetime.

01:39:24.000 So I'm like 80 years old.

01:39:25.000 I could just put one of those on and just live in the video game.

01:39:27.000 And it's like, at first he's scared, but then he ends up loving it because it's just like everything's great.

01:39:33.000 And yeah, so I think.

01:39:35.000 Yeah, there's just.

01:39:36.000 Well, the problem is like what's real and what's not real.

01:39:39.000 You know, is it really important for things to happen physically in the real, air quotes, real world?

01:39:47.000 Or will it be just as fulfilling to exist in these virtual worlds?

01:39:51.000 Yeah, I mean, there are.

01:39:53.000 I remember when I was younger, I'd play like this game called Wizard 101.

01:39:55.000 It's like World of Warcraft, like an MMORPG.

01:39:57.000 And like, there are definitely times in my life, maybe there are short periods where like when I was a young kid, like my character in that game definitely mattered.

01:40:05.000 Pretty similar to like me in real life.

01:40:07.000 Like, I was really hooked, you know, on that game.

01:40:09.000 And so, like, I could see it, like, you know, where people, like, look at people who've dedicated their entire lives to World of Warcraft.

01:40:09.000 Yeah.

01:40:15.000 There's, you know, probably hundreds of thousands or at least tens of thousands.

01:40:18.000 And it's like, you know, if you could recreate that same effect, people would feel that same way.

01:40:22.000 Well, if I'm 90 years old and I'm bedridden, like, I don't care.

01:40:25.000 Put that headset on me.

01:40:26.000 Let me just live it out in here.

01:40:26.000 Like, I'm done.

01:40:28.000 You know, someone come in, stretch my limbs every couple of days, like, you know, put an IV in me.

01:40:33.000 I don't even want to take the headset off to eat.

01:40:35.000 Well, then there's a question of is that already happening right now?

01:40:39.000 So if us.

01:40:40.000 Simulation exists and it's so good that it's impossible to differentiate between the simulation and real life.

01:40:48.000 And, you know, there's a lot of people that are very intelligent people that believe we are inside of some sort of a simulation currently.

01:40:55.000 Elon's one of them.

01:40:56.000 He said the odds of us not being in a simulation are in billions.

01:40:59.000 Really?

01:41:00.000 Yeah.

01:41:01.000 So something akin to a simulation he believes is running right now.

01:41:06.000 So maybe we are in Beast Games.

01:41:09.000 Yeah.

01:41:10.000 Some me a thousand years in the future.

01:41:12.000 The hundredth version of Beast Games.

01:41:12.000 Yeah.

01:41:14.000 Yeah.

01:41:15.000 Yeah.

01:41:16.000 I mean, yeah, with compute growing and growing, if someone figured out how to harvest the energy of a single star, then maybe that's what this is about.

01:41:22.000 As we grow older, technology becomes crazier and crazier, and it reaches some sort of a tipping point while we're alive, and this is the end of the game.

01:41:31.000 That would be crazy.

01:41:32.000 It reaches some sort of event horizon.

01:41:32.000 Right?

01:41:34.000 Some actual civilization similar to us, but then they just wanted to, they lost, you know, like how we lost a lot of our ancient history, they did too.

01:41:40.000 So this is a simulation to see how did we come to be with all this stuff.

01:41:45.000 And so, yeah, I mean, Yeah, if you're harvesting the energy of a sun and you have all that compute, I mean, look at what we're currently able to do with just data centers on the planet.

01:41:52.000 Like, it's not far fetched to think you could have someone put a headset on or whatever and simulate, you know, trillions of things.

01:41:58.000 Not just that, but then there's the reality of the structure of the universe itself.

01:42:05.000 Like subatomic particles acting differently when they're observed.

01:42:09.000 Or the double knowledge experiment.

01:42:10.000 Yeah, so it's like, okay, what effect is consciousness having on reality itself?

01:42:15.000 And are we limited in our senses and our ability to recognize the impact of it?

01:42:20.000 And do we live in a siloed version of reality that's imprisoned by our sight, limited senses of sight, smell, touch?

01:42:28.000 Exactly. 0.97

01:42:29.000 Like, there could be way more weird shit going on around us all the time. 0.95

01:42:34.000 We just don't have the ability. 0.93

01:42:35.000 And that's what the simulation is.

01:42:37.000 It's not as simple as, like, you show up with your lunch pail and you go to work.

01:42:37.000 Exactly.

01:42:42.000 No, there might be some weird shit that's going on all along with consciousness. 0.67

01:42:47.000 It's, you know, we did a video where we helped a thousand, you know, blind people or people who couldn't CC again with cataract surgeries. 0.91

01:42:54.000 And I did think about that.

01:42:55.000 It's, like, fascinating because, you know, if they didn't have other humans around them, they just would have.

01:43:00.000 Never known that sight was a thing.

01:43:01.000 Right.

01:43:02.000 You know, if we as other humans didn't tell them, I mean, they just couldn't see.

01:43:06.000 And so it is like, is there a sense that we might not be aware of that?

01:43:09.000 A bunch of them, I bet.

01:43:10.000 Yeah.

01:43:11.000 Who knows?

01:43:12.000 I mean, but that is like an interesting thought experiment.

01:43:15.000 And like, because like to those people, it was, you know, actually a random memory I just got too.

01:43:21.000 We also did a video where we helped a thousand deaf people hear again.

01:43:25.000 And a lot of them, it was just giving them like really, really advanced hearing aids and that, you know, and they just hadn't heard in years.

01:43:30.000 And there's this one scene we did where, Um, a guy had a newborn child that was like a couple years old, but was deaf since the child was born and had never heard his child.

01:43:39.000 And so, we put it in, and it like really, really amplified sound where he could actually hear.

01:43:44.000 He hadn't heard sound in God knows how long.

01:43:46.000 And then, the first thing he heard is we had his child just say daddy, and he like lost it.

01:43:51.000 That was the first word he heard in years, and it was the first time he ever heard her.

01:43:54.000 And I don't even know why that memory popped in my head.

01:43:57.000 But yeah, that was like one of the most special things we've ever filmed was like.

01:44:02.000 That moment right there, I was like, wow, that's crazy.

01:44:05.000 Yeah, we assumed that the senses that we have detect everything that's around us, but we know that's really not true because they're so limited just in terms of our ability to see things, right?

01:44:16.000 We see more things with the microscope than you can with the naked eye.

01:44:18.000 Exactly.

01:44:19.000 And we have no idea what the senses are missing.

01:44:22.000 And all you have to do is ask yourself if you were those people and you didn't have other people around you telling you, you wouldn't have known.

01:44:27.000 Like, you would have thought that was reality.

01:44:28.000 Right.

01:44:29.000 It's just, yeah.

01:44:32.000 I don't know if we'll ever know, but.

01:44:33.000 Well, just think about the sense of smell, how weird that is.

01:44:36.000 There's an invisible thing, and when someone farts, you go, oh.

01:44:39.000 Exactly.

01:44:40.000 And, like, yeah, this is kind of crazy.

01:44:42.000 You'd have no idea.

01:44:43.000 If you didn't have a sense of smell, you would just be existing just like everybody else.

01:44:48.000 And without a sense of smell, life is not that much different.

01:44:52.000 You know, it's different, but not that much different.

01:44:54.000 Like, everything looks exactly the same, but no one can smell anything. 0.98

01:44:57.000 You know, but think of like gases and all sorts of like a gas leak in your house or weird shit that you smell, skunks. 0.96

01:45:04.000 All that stuff you'd be missing out on. 0.79

01:45:05.000 I guess if you had to get rid of one of the five senses, that would be the one. 0.99

01:45:08.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:45:09.000 I feel like that's the least necessary to survival. 0.69

01:45:11.000 It would suck.

01:45:12.000 Food wouldn't taste as good. 0.92

01:45:13.000 Yeah.

01:45:14.000 You wouldn't know if you had BO.

01:45:15.000 Yeah.

01:45:16.000 But for the most part, your odds of living don't really drop that much.

01:45:21.000 And your overall happiness wouldn't change dramatically.

01:45:23.000 Yeah, the only thing that would be a problem is impact by chemicals.

01:45:28.000 Like you wouldn't be able to smell horrible chemicals that your body's rejecting. 0.99

01:45:32.000 You know, there's certain things you smell, you go, Oh, what the fuck is this? 0.99

01:45:35.000 I got to get away from that. 0.99

01:45:36.000 Because your body's letting you know, like, this is toxic.

01:45:38.000 Whatever you're breathing in is not normal air.

01:45:42.000 Environmental poisons would be a problem.

01:45:44.000 But other than that, regular life, if you lived in a contained, safe environment, like most cities, most offices, most places that people work, it's not that big of a deal to lose your sense of smell.

01:45:55.000 Yeah.

01:45:56.000 You know what?

01:45:57.000 It's funny because on the car ride over here, I was listening to a podcast we did, whatever, four years ago.

01:46:02.000 And it's like, essentially, like, the entire podcast, I was way younger back then, was.

01:46:06.000 All about like YouTube data and analytics.

01:46:09.000 I don't know if you remember that.

01:46:10.000 And it's like, I do, like, one thing I've noticed, it's interesting because, like, I started making videos when I was 11.

01:46:17.000 So my entire life is on the internet, right?

01:46:19.000 And like my puberty, every development and stuff.

01:46:22.000 And I look at that, our old podcast, and like, it is so like brutal.

01:46:27.000 Like, I have borderline autism on this one subject.

01:46:30.000 And it's like, I was so one dimensional back then because I was just young and I'd only ever done one thing.

01:46:35.000 It's just so interesting because it's like, if someone were to theoretically search Mr. Beast Joe Rogan and they, you know, if they clicked on either one of these podcasts, it'd be two completely different experiences.

01:46:44.000 Right.

01:46:46.000 Well, you look differently.

01:46:47.000 Yeah.

01:46:48.000 I mean, you look great, man.

01:46:49.000 And we were, I was saying before the podcast, you look fantastic.

01:46:52.000 You lost weight, you look really healthy.

01:46:54.000 Thank you.

01:46:55.000 Yeah.

01:46:55.000 I was telling Joe before the podcast, I lost 50 pounds between the last one and this one.

01:46:59.000 That's awesome, man.

01:47:00.000 And last time when you would ask me about movies or you asked me about self-care, all these things, every, because I was listening to it on 3XV on a car right here, every single thing I was like, I don't know.

01:47:00.000 Yeah.

01:47:10.000 I was like, one thing and one thing only.

01:47:12.000 I know YouTube.

01:47:13.000 It was like, I know nothing else.

01:47:14.000 And I blocked everything else out of my world, which is interesting because I actually think that wasn't a positive, right?

01:47:20.000 I think if I consumed more other mediums and culture, it would have been better inspiration.

01:47:23.000 I would have been a better storyteller.

01:47:24.000 So I actually don't think it was a good thing, which is why I've like since then opened up and like, I let more things into my mind.

01:47:30.000 If I could push back on that, though, I think it allowed you to be hyper successful because you were so focused on it that I think it really worked out to your benefit.

01:47:39.000 I don't think it's a bad thing.

01:47:40.000 Yeah, no, I think that the hours put in, yes, but it's like instead of consuming four hours of YouTube a day, allowing myself to occasionally watch a movie, I think I would have been more tapped in and understood how to tell stories.

01:47:50.000 Well, you were younger, and that's a part of the process.

01:47:54.000 I know.

01:47:54.000 It's just so funny listening to that podcast because I, even I, as myself, I watched that.

01:47:58.000 I was on the car, I was like, wow.

01:48:00.000 I seem like borderline, like a freak on certain things here.

01:48:04.000 It's like.

01:48:04.000 You were like, you would like change the subject on certain things, and then I'd instantly bring it back to the one thing I knew, like YouTube data.

01:48:11.000 And like, I could like tell that I didn't even know, and I would just be like, oh, yeah, that thing.

01:48:15.000 Anyways, retention.

01:48:17.000 And it was just so funny listening to it.

01:48:19.000 But it's just interesting though, because, you know, I'm sure you see like a lot of your podcasts you do.

01:48:24.000 Most people consume it through clips on social media, right?

01:48:27.000 That's like their exposure to it.

01:48:28.000 And what's most people consume most things through clips.

01:48:30.000 Yeah.

01:48:30.000 And what's fascinating though is clips don't have context on the time range, right?

01:48:34.000 And like, you know, so like, whatever, a clip from the podcast we did years ago.

01:48:38.000 I'll see on my feed, or it'll just randomly start going viral.

01:48:41.000 One of them now, and like, um, and like sometimes it'll be things that, like, you know, I've grown up or I don't like necessarily agree with, or whatever.

01:48:49.000 I speak differently, but because they're not like time stamped, it's like interesting because a clip from something you did years ago can randomly go viral now, and people won't even know that it's like years ago.

01:48:57.000 And it's so fascinating because they just like pop off, and it's like more people are going to listen to this podcast through like random clips, probably 10, 15 times folds, than like actually going on Spotify or wherever you posted items.

01:49:09.000 Yeah, probably.

01:49:11.000 It's so interesting because that's like the new form of culture, especially for younger people sub one minute ish vertical content, you know, that they swipe through the feed.

01:49:22.000 But it does inspire people to listen to the whole thing.

01:49:25.000 And only a certain percentage of them will do that.

01:49:28.000 But it's like that's a thing with sporting clips.

01:49:32.000 Like you see the game winning touchdown, you watch that, it probably gets watched more than the actual full game.

01:49:39.000 I saw a survey of like 56% of people now prefer to watch a sporting event through clips as opposed to like the actual thing.

01:49:44.000 Like, they'll just get on their feed.

01:49:46.000 Well, I guarantee you that's the case with the UFC.

01:49:48.000 Because I know for the UFC, when they analyze the performance of a show, like how many people watched it on Paramount Plus versus how many people consumed it on TikTok.

01:49:59.000 Oh, my gosh.

01:50:00.000 Yeah.

01:50:01.000 It's many, many fold.

01:50:03.000 It's like, you know, they get hundreds of millions of views on social media of different, you know, different stuff.

01:50:11.000 I haven't watched the fight live in a while, but like, you know, the White House one, I mean, I saw everything on my TikTok feed.

01:50:17.000 I mean, I probably saw 150 clips of it.

01:50:19.000 I have like a relatively good grasp of what it looked like and what happened, but I didn't watch it live, you know.

01:50:19.000 So.

01:50:24.000 If you wanted to watch that one live, really, you should have been there.

01:50:28.000 Like, that was when you really absorbed how bizarre it was to actually be at the White House.

01:50:32.000 It was very bizarre.

01:50:34.000 The whole thing was very surreal.

01:50:36.000 Like, me and Daniel Cormier and John Annick, there were so many moments, like, the day before the event where we're rehearsing.

01:50:42.000 So, we're standing by the octagon.

01:50:43.000 I made a video of it where I put it on DC.

01:50:46.000 It's like, the White House.

01:50:48.000 And, like, I'm showing the White House.

01:50:50.000 There's the cage, and then the White House is right there.

01:50:53.000 Yeah, and the flyover and everything.

01:50:55.000 But, see, that's how. 0.82

01:50:55.000 Nuts. 0.82

01:50:56.000 When I was telling you about the Roman Coliseum before, that's how I felt.

01:50:58.000 Yes.

01:50:59.000 But I didn't get the.

01:51:00.000 Well, you know, they were going to do Elon Musk versus Mark Zuckerberg in the Roman Coliseum, but it was going to cost $150 million just to secure the venue and set everything up.

01:51:09.000 I mean, I could have hooked him up.

01:51:11.000 Also, it would have been a terrible fight.

01:51:13.000 Elon would have been destroyed.

01:51:15.000 It would have just been a.

01:51:16.000 He thinks he's big, and so that's going to be enough.

01:51:19.000 But Mark knows how to fight.

01:51:21.000 Mark is like really into it.

01:51:23.000 He trains all the time.

01:51:25.000 I mean, he's obsessed.

01:51:26.000 He brought.

01:51:27.000 This guy that I know, Dave Camarillo, who's a world class coach, who's a Brazilian jiu jitsu black belt, judo black belt, has been training him.

01:51:35.000 Like, he's training really hardcore people.

01:51:37.000 Well, because I don't think he'd care if I told the story. 0.98

01:51:40.000 Like, the first time I talked to him years ago, like, you know, we just shooting the shit, chatting. 0.90

01:51:45.000 And then, like, at the end of it, he's like, Yeah, you want to come train MMA or whatever at my lake? 0.96

01:51:50.000 And I was like, Oh, no, but I appreciate the offer.

01:51:55.000 But it's just like, instantly, like, that I could tell that's like his way of like bonding and building friendships.

01:52:00.000 And it, Like, yeah, he just like, he was being very serious.

01:52:03.000 Like, he wanted to roll, and I've never done that in my life.

01:52:05.000 And I was like, oh, I'm gonna roll.

01:52:06.000 Yeah, he invited me to go bow hunting with him.

01:52:08.000 So it's definitely not fake.

01:52:10.000 Like, that was a one on one conversation.

01:52:11.000 Oh, no, no, no.

01:52:12.000 I know you know that, but a lot of people think he's just like, puts on the facade or stuff.

01:52:15.000 But, like, unironically, like, our first time beating, he's just like, yeah, let's hang out.

01:52:19.000 Let's do, like, go roll on some mats and stuff.

01:52:21.000 Like, he was being desperate.

01:52:22.000 Well, the way you could tell that it's not fake is watching him train, because there's no way he could be that good if he's not actually putting in the time.

01:52:29.000 Because even his striking, his jujitsu, all that stuff is like, it's.

01:52:29.000 Yeah.

01:52:35.000 There's many hours been spent working on technique to achieve this level of proficiency.

01:52:40.000 I mean, he doesn't look like a world champion or anything like that, but he looks like a guy who's training a lot.

01:52:45.000 You know, there's no way you can't be enthusiastic about it and be doing that.

01:52:45.000 Yeah.

01:52:49.000 So he's definitely really, every time I listen to whenever you have a podcast and you talk about the UFC and stuff like that, it always makes me feel like I feel that masculine urge to go train and do it, but it's like, I wish I could fork my life and have like, One where I keep going down this path of just grinding 18 hours a day and building all these companies, and then another where I could like pursue fun stuff like that and like because that would be fun.

01:53:13.000 Like, to well, how old are you, Jimmy?

01:53:14.000 28.

01:53:14.000 Yeah, you're still so young.

01:53:16.000 You could just do this for another 10 years and amass so much money that you could never spend it.

01:53:21.000 And then 10 years from now, you know, just slack off a little bit on that and just go do a bunch of stuff.

01:53:27.000 And not only that, you could create content doing a bunch of stuff like Mr. Beast Discover the World.

01:53:32.000 Like, you could do anything, man.

01:53:35.000 Yeah, I think.

01:53:36.000 You're so young.

01:53:37.000 You have so much time ahead of you.

01:53:39.000 Yeah, it's hard to even.

01:53:40.000 I think you, as humans, we build the patterns and stuff.

01:53:43.000 And I've been working so many hours every day for so long that it's like literally ingrained in me that it's hard to ever really imagine a world where it shuts off.

01:53:51.000 Because you have to think, I started when I was 11.

01:53:53.000 So basically, now all I really do is just work, whether it's building companies or making content.

01:53:58.000 And another 10 years from now, that would be essentially 20 years straight of training my nervous system of like, this is what you do all day, every day, like constantly being in war mode, obsessed with it.

01:54:06.000 So it's hard to envision a world where I could ever shut it off.

01:54:09.000 You know what's interesting?

01:54:10.000 You and I have been doing it about the same time.

01:54:14.000 Like, we started this podcast around 17 years ago. 0.95

01:54:18.000 Holy crap.

01:54:19.000 Yeah, it'll be, won't it be 17 years in December? 0.98

01:54:22.000 I think so, right?

01:54:23.000 I think in this December it's 17 years.

01:54:25.000 So it's basically we've been on these parallel paths.

01:54:28.000 You know what would be funny is if, like, envision like 17 years ago you had 11 year old me sitting here and then you sitting there and like comped it to today.

01:54:28.000 Which is crazy.

01:54:37.000 That would be amazing.

01:54:38.000 So AI is never going to do that.

01:54:38.000 Yeah.

01:54:40.000 So what are you going to do?

01:54:41.000 You're going to do a show on YouTube?

01:54:45.000 Where'd you get this idea?

01:54:46.000 YouTube.

01:54:47.000 Did your mom know about this?

01:54:48.000 Should you be in school?

01:54:49.000 I feel like, I don't know, it's such a like.

01:54:51.000 How many hours a day do you spend waking up content?

01:54:54.000 Hey, man, go outside.

01:54:55.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:54:56.000 Go talk to a woman.

01:54:58.000 I mean, back then too, I was so like introverted and self conscious.

01:55:01.000 Like, I probably wouldn't have said anything.

01:55:04.000 I would have been like, you know, because you have to kind of be a little.

01:55:08.000 It's interesting too because it's like very accepted to be a content creator.

01:55:12.000 It's like cool.

01:55:13.000 People love it.

01:55:13.000 It's like, even parents now, like, you know, they're like, do it.

01:55:17.000 And they realize that while being a content creator, you learn a lot of different skill sets and it teaches self agency, et cetera.

01:55:21.000 But back then, I mean, it was like, you're batshit crazy, very frowned upon.

01:55:26.000 And like, so it's so funny to see how that changes because like, You know, it's the number one most coveted job in America right now.

01:55:31.000 Like, if you were to go survey like 100 random teenagers, a lot of them, a good chunk of them, would say they want to be a content creator.

01:55:37.000 Maybe not specifically a YouTuber, but between TikTok, Instagram, influencer, like, you know.

01:55:42.000 Yeah.

01:55:43.000 And so it's probably the number one job that kids want.

01:55:45.000 It is, factually, yes.

01:55:46.000 And so, but, you know, when I was coming up, heck no. 0.92

01:55:50.000 It's like, what are you, a weirdo?

01:55:52.000 That's not a job.

01:55:53.000 Like, YouTubers don't even make money.

01:55:54.000 How are you going to make money?

01:55:55.000 You're going to be homeless.

01:55:56.000 Yeah.

01:55:56.000 And so it's so funny to see how it changes.

01:55:59.000 It's the same thing with podcasts.

01:56:01.000 Back then, I would tell people I'm doing a podcast and they would be sad.

01:56:05.000 Like, oh, poor guy. 0.99

01:56:06.000 Like, what the fuck's wrong with you? 0.99

01:56:07.000 You used to be on TV. 0.99

01:56:08.000 Like, oh, I'm having a hard time.

01:56:09.000 Yeah, you've fallen from grace.

01:56:10.000 And it's so interesting, too, to see, like, you know, as YouTubers and stuff first started getting big, like, they all used it as launch pads to jump to Hollywood.

01:56:18.000 And then it's like the ones like me who are just like, who really cares?

01:56:21.000 You know, like, just stay over here and focus on YouTube are the ones that are the biggest.

01:56:24.000 And I just believed in the future.

01:56:26.000 This is the same as podcasts as well, because there's a lot of people that started off podcasts.

01:56:29.000 And then their podcast got a little bit of popularity and they went and did a show somewhere.

01:56:34.000 And it sort of stalled them out in the podcast world.

01:56:36.000 Exactly.

01:56:37.000 Because now you're working for the man, air quotes, and you're working for some studio or something like that.

01:56:42.000 And split time and you're not as passionate and stuff.

01:56:46.000 Yeah.

01:56:46.000 Well, it's something I think about too, which is a message I feel like a lot of people need to hear because a lot of people don't realize that, you know, not everyone can make tens of millions of dollars or maybe be as successful as you or I can.

01:56:59.000 But I do believe most people, if they, you know, find something they like, Put in a lot of hours, like a ridiculous amount of hours, consume, you know, basically everything's available on the internet now, consume all knowledge available on how to be good at certain things and then, you know, do a thousand iterations on it.

01:57:15.000 Then they can come out the other side and do it for a living.

01:57:17.000 You know what I mean?

01:57:18.000 Like, I feel like they're, but most people aren't exposed to that kind of, I mean, to be honest, rhetoric.

01:57:23.000 Like, they think still, you know, their parents went to college, God, that's how you get a job.

01:57:26.000 And so a lot of people today, because obviously your parents educate you and teach a lot of these things, and I'm not saying college is bad, just think it's the same pathway.

01:57:33.000 And then they get in a lot of debt and they don't fully realize that, you know, if you just like, There are like, you know, certain content creators that might blow up in two years, and there are others like me that take 10 years, and it's just like a distribution chart, and, you know, probably the average somewhere in the middle.

01:57:46.000 And you just have to, like, there's no, like, set time frame you can give yourself.

01:57:49.000 But if you're surrounded with other people obsessed with the certain thing you're obsessed over, whatever it is, you put in 10,000 hours, and in those 10,000 hours, you do a thousand iterations, and you consume all knowledge available on it.

01:57:58.000 It's like, you know, the better you do it, the further to the right, like the two year mark you'd be of being able to do it for a career.

01:58:04.000 But, you know, it's sometimes it will take longer, and you just have to give yourself enough time in it, but eventually you can make it happen.

01:58:10.000 And I think that just, More young people need to hear that really because they just don't even really, the dots don't connect in their mind that that's really even an option, right?

01:58:18.000 Well, it's a completely new career path, right?

01:58:21.000 And the only way that people really can get a map of the territory is from someone like you who's gone through the very early days of it. 0.76

01:58:28.000 And they could show, hey, not only is this guy successful, he's fucking hyper successful.

01:58:32.000 Like, this is not a dream. 0.56

01:58:34.000 Like, this is a possibility.

01:58:36.000 You just have to figure out your version of what he did.

01:58:39.000 Yeah.

01:58:39.000 And it's a process.

01:58:40.000 But I would argue it's not even just for content creation.

01:58:42.000 Like, if you wanted to be an accountant or really anything, it's like just put in a lot of hours, do a lot of iteration, surround yourself with great people, and obsess over it.

01:58:49.000 Stay focused.

01:58:50.000 Stay focused, consume it.

01:58:51.000 And then recognize, like, You might be like, oh, well, this person did it in 10 months.

01:58:51.000 Yeah.

01:58:54.000 Why is it taking me so long?

01:58:55.000 It's just, it's average and statistics.

01:58:57.000 And just give yourself enough time frame.

01:58:59.000 And like, it's hard to, again, I'm not saying you'll make tens of millions of dollars, but if you want to do that thing for a living, if you follow those, you know, traits, like, it's going to happen eventually.

01:59:10.000 Well, you have to be process oriented, not goal oriented.

01:59:12.000 You know, the process is getting better at stuff.

01:59:15.000 The goal of being financially secure comes with it eventually.

01:59:19.000 But if you think, I want X amount of money, well, that's what you're going to think about.

01:59:22.000 You're not going to think about the actual thing you're making, so it won't be as good.

01:59:24.000 So you'll probably never get there.

01:59:26.000 Bingo.

01:59:26.000 Yeah.

01:59:27.000 And this is the, you know, one of the cool things about owning a comedy club is that we've set up the club so there's a real path.

01:59:36.000 Like these people understand how you can become a professional.

01:59:38.000 Yeah.

01:59:39.000 Because becoming a professional when I first started was this very vague, weird thing.

01:59:45.000 Like you never, no one knew how it was done.

01:59:47.000 Like you went to open mic nights, you did open mic nights.

01:59:47.000 Yeah.

01:59:49.000 How do I get paid?

01:59:50.000 How do I ever be a professional?

01:59:51.000 Yeah.

01:59:52.000 Someone has to ask you to go with them on the road and then you wind up getting mentored by another comedian, which is nice because they usually need opening acts.

01:59:59.000 And that's kind of how we did it.

02:00:00.000 But what we set up at the comedy club, we have a real creative director, this guy Adam Egid, who is the creative director at the comedy store, the talent coordinator.

02:00:08.000 He watches all the open micers and he finds people that are good.

02:00:11.000 We have two nights of open mic nights, and then we have Kill Tony.

02:00:15.000 So we have Kill Tony, the show, which is every Monday, where these people pull a random name out of a bucket and you have a show.

02:00:21.000 Phenomenal show if people don't watch it.

02:00:23.000 It's hilarious. 1.00

02:00:24.000 It's the best fucking show ever. 0.98

02:00:25.000 And these people get to do one minute of stand up, and if it blows up and they do well, they get to come back. 0.99

02:00:31.000 And if they get to come back.

02:00:32.000 Then all of a sudden, millions of people have seen them do stand up, and now they're selling out comedy clubs and they have real careers.

02:00:38.000 And some of these people were just grinding it out.

02:00:40.000 And, you know, my friend Dedrick Flynn, he was out in Atlanta doing it.

02:00:44.000 And my friend Ari Maddy was in Estonia and he went to Australia for 10 years, just grinding, trying to make it in comedy.

02:00:51.000 Gets on Kill Tony, boom, now he has a career.

02:00:54.000 It's incredible.

02:00:55.000 And I don't recognize those names, but, like, as a case study, right?

02:00:59.000 If they're doing stuff in Estonia or other places, I never would see it.

02:01:01.000 But if they're on Kill Tony, I'll see it.

02:01:03.000 And there are millions of people like me that we're not, like, We're casual comedy watchers, right?

02:01:03.000 Exactly.

02:01:07.000 I don't, you know, maybe I'll watch a Netflix special here or there and I watch Kill Tony.

02:01:11.000 And so, like, if you don't exist in one of those two things, you just don't exist in my world.

02:01:14.000 And there's so many people like me.

02:01:15.000 There's a lot of people now like that, particularly.

02:01:18.000 And we wanted to set up a network.

02:01:22.000 We wanted to set up, like, a real pathway where these people can, you could see, hey, other people like Cam Patterson, he was a doorman at the comedy store and now he's on Saturday Night Live, or a doorman at the mothership, rather.

02:01:34.000 And now he's on Saturday Night Live.

02:01:35.000 He started out at the mothership.

02:01:37.000 Yeah.

02:01:38.000 And he was working there as an employee.

02:01:40.000 And he is funny.

02:01:40.000 And I know who he is.

02:01:41.000 He's amazing.

02:01:42.000 Yes, because he killed Tony.

02:01:42.000 Because he killed Tony.

02:01:43.000 Exactly.

02:01:44.000 But there are multiple versions of that now that are coming out of the club.

02:01:48.000 And so we wanted to set it up like that.

02:01:50.000 So you still have to do all the work, but we want to illuminate the pathway.

02:01:56.000 Like there's a clear pathway.

02:01:56.000 Exactly.

02:01:57.000 Well, because it's different skill sets, right?

02:02:00.000 Like being able to get attention and get in front of people might be a different skill set than being funny and being able to make them laugh and the things that make a great comic.

02:02:07.000 And so it also makes it a little straightforward for people who might be just world class in one comics, but.

02:02:12.000 They don't know how to scrounge up enough money to travel the world and do all these things and smart enough to figure it out.

02:02:16.000 And so, like, handling that part, because at the end of the day, like, as a viewer, I just want to watch funny people, right?

02:02:21.000 There's also, you have to be able to see other people who have done it already and how they did it.

02:02:25.000 So, because of a guy like Cam Patterson who goes from being a doorman at the mothership to now being on SNL, people see it and they go, oh, it can be done.

02:02:34.000 What did he do?

02:02:34.000 Well, he kept killing every time he got on stage.

02:02:37.000 So, that's what I got to do.

02:02:38.000 I got to work on my set, really grind it out.

02:02:40.000 And I was with this guy three years ago.

02:02:43.000 And now this guy is rich and he's famous.

02:02:45.000 This is amazing.

02:02:47.000 He was poor just like me, like literally working for, you know.

02:02:52.000 I'm sure you pay well.

02:02:53.000 Yeah.

02:02:53.000 Yeah, but I mean, doing road gigs and doing whatever you can.

02:02:56.000 Guys are barely getting by, but that's the key.

02:02:58.000 It's like you got to know that it's possible.

02:03:01.000 And before someone like you became, you know, a real content creator, imagine just trying to explain to someone what your YouTube show was, what your goal was.

02:03:11.000 Imagine this.

02:03:13.000 Imagine.

02:03:14.000 15 years ago, you sitting down with someone when you're 13 years old and trying to explain, I want this show to have hundreds of millions of subscribers.

02:03:24.000 I want billions of hours consumed worldwide.

02:03:28.000 I want it to be like one of the biggest shows in human history and I'm going to do it on YouTube. 1.00

02:03:35.000 They'd be like, You're out of your fucking mind. 1.00

02:03:37.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:03:38.000 Right?

02:03:38.000 Yeah.

02:03:39.000 Well, and back then, like viral videos back then were like 2 million views.

02:03:42.000 Right.

02:03:43.000 And so, if you were to sit back then, I want to get 100 million views a video. 0.96

02:03:46.000 Like, I mean, people would call you the lunatic. 0.96

02:03:49.000 Like, you're just delusional. 0.99

02:03:50.000 Not even delusional. 1.00

02:03:51.000 Like, a certified lunatic. 0.93

02:03:53.000 Like, you're not even living in reality. 0.97

02:03:54.000 But now that you've paved the path and then you've shown people that it can be done, now you see.

02:04:00.000 Everyone has a lot more confidence to reinvent.

02:04:02.000 It's a real career path.

02:04:04.000 It's a real career path.

02:04:05.000 If you pursue it the way someone pursues learning how to play guitar and being in a band, like, do it the right way.

02:04:11.000 I want to be a pilot.

02:04:12.000 What do I have to do?

02:04:13.000 I've got to go to pilot school.

02:04:14.000 I've got to do the work.

02:04:15.000 Go through the process.

02:04:15.000 Like, actually.

02:04:17.000 Or, I mean, I don't know if it's factually, but it's like millions of people over the next 10 years that will, you know, find a job, you know, being a creator or working for creators, right?

02:04:25.000 I know, I mean, dozens upon dozens of creators who are hiring dozens of people each.

02:04:28.000 I have 150 open racks in my business.

02:04:30.000 I mean, they're, you know, these creators, hundreds of thousands of people are going to become creators themselves full time, and those creators are going to hire millions of employees over the next, you know, decade or so.

02:04:37.000 So even if you, which is what I see, a lot of people who try to become a creator who end up failing, they end up being phenomenal, you know, partners or employees for other creators, right?

02:04:46.000 And the space is growing so big and there's just so much demand for it because not everyone who did stuff in traditional Hollywood.

02:04:51.000 You know, acclimates as well over here.

02:04:53.000 And so there's just so much, like, everyone I know just needs like five or six people.

02:04:57.000 So it's like, it's a pretty useful thing.

02:04:58.000 And it's like almost like the equivalent of getting a college degree, right?

02:05:01.000 If you're a teenager now and you put in 5,000 hours, 500 iterations, you obsess over this thing, blah, blah, you come out the other end.

02:05:07.000 Even if you don't make it as a YouTuber, you now know how to edit.

02:05:10.000 Now you know how to tell a story.

02:05:11.000 Now you have all these character traits.

02:05:12.000 And yeah, some other YouTuber will pick you up in a heartbeat.

02:05:15.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:05:15.000 And it's also, this is the new Hollywood.

02:05:19.000 I mean, this is really.

02:05:20.000 I mean, literally now, four of the biggest films came from creators.

02:05:24.000 It's like, Not even like it is like a factual thing now.

02:05:27.000 Some of the biggest new IPs are coming out of them.

02:05:29.000 It's where all the viewership is going.

02:05:29.000 Yeah.

02:05:31.000 I mean, when I was on this podcast last time, it was probably like whatever 1.8 billion people use YouTube every month.

02:05:36.000 Now it's over 3 billion.

02:05:38.000 You know what I mean?

02:05:39.000 It's growing and it's not slowing down.

02:05:40.000 It's growing more and more and more, which is what I said would happen, you know, last time I was on here and what I still believe.

02:05:45.000 Like, I don't think these things have peaked.

02:05:47.000 I think they're going to keep growing.

02:05:48.000 And, you know, it's just what younger people use.

02:05:50.000 They've never watched television, which is obvious to me and you, but, you know, but to some older people who still watch, you know, news and get it through there.

02:05:57.000 It still blows their mind that they're like, they've never used cable.

02:06:00.000 And it's like, a 15 year old right now, outside of watching an NBA game or an NFL game, has never used cable television.

02:06:06.000 They've never even seen it.

02:06:08.000 They don't even fully understand.

02:06:09.000 Like, they're like, sometimes when I'm talking to a younger person, like, if I'm trying to get a gauge of what do you think of our new video, like, I'll just ask, have you ever watched cable television to see what they say?

02:06:20.000 And they're like, no.

02:06:21.000 And I'll explain to them that there's like two to three minutes of commercial breaks, kind of like when you watch NBA.

02:06:26.000 But instead of like a sporting event, it's like entertainment.

02:06:28.000 And they'll be like, why would you do that?

02:06:32.000 Why would you put like three minutes of ads every four minutes?

02:06:35.000 And I'm like, well, that's just how things were.

02:06:36.000 And they're like, why? 0.98

02:06:38.000 It's so dumb that they still do it that way. 1.00

02:06:40.000 It really is so dumb. 1.00

02:06:40.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:06:41.000 It makes no sense.

02:06:42.000 It makes no sense.

02:06:43.000 You don't have to do it that way.

02:06:44.000 They could probably make as much money through product placement and having an ad at the beginning and doing it.

02:06:51.000 And you'd probably get more retention.

02:06:53.000 You'd probably get more views.

02:06:54.000 Like, no one is going to sit and watch CBS.

02:06:57.000 What's even crazier is you would have to pay money to, like, you'd have to pay, like, $50 a month for cable to then have, like, 33% of what you consume be ads, which is a higher ratio than when you watch YouTube, which is free.

02:07:08.000 It's like, it's crazy.

02:07:10.000 Wow.

02:07:10.000 And then you wonder why people are moving in hundreds of millions of droves over to this.

02:07:14.000 New form that's just like, yeah, and then there's podcasts, which is like, how many podcasts are there now?

02:07:21.000 Oh, millions, obviously, but how many successful ones?

02:07:23.000 Yeah, obviously, there's millions, but but I mean, the barrier to entry is the lowest, like, at least what you're doing is complex.

02:07:30.000 Yeah, you know, it's, I mean, you've created a show, you have game shows, you have charity shows, you're giving away stuff, you have a bunch of crazy things you guys do, you have tasks, you have to plan it out.

02:07:41.000 Yeah, podcasts, you're just sitting down, like, we talk for.

02:07:44.000 Five minutes before we started this podcast.

02:07:45.000 Yeah.

02:07:46.000 Hey, you look great.

02:07:46.000 We said hi.

02:07:47.000 Good to see you.

02:07:47.000 What's up?

02:07:48.000 Give me a hug.

02:07:49.000 You gave me some caffeine to get me cracked out.

02:07:51.000 Let's go.

02:07:52.000 And that's it.

02:07:53.000 So there's zero preparation other than the preparation that the host does beforehand. 0.96

02:07:57.000 But the difference between that kind of preparation, the kind of preparation involved in one of your shows, is fucking immense.

02:08:03.000 And so the barrier to entry just to be someone who's a content creator, like a podcaster, is how many podcasts are there?

02:08:11.000 Let's guess.

02:08:12.000 Ooh.

02:08:13.000 How many do you think there are, Jamie?

02:08:14.000 Active podcasts.

02:08:15.000 Yeah, you have to add.

02:08:17.000 How many have been uploaded this week?

02:08:20.000 Active, yeah.

02:08:21.000 Still posting on them.

02:08:22.000 Yeah, let's say.

02:08:23.000 7 million or something like that.

02:08:24.000 That's crazy.

02:08:26.000 Yeah.

02:08:26.000 That's crazy.

02:08:28.000 I would guess two.

02:08:29.000 Active, probably 1 million.

02:08:32.000 Please put this.

02:08:33.000 This is what I want to know.

02:08:34.000 How many podcasts were active in 2009?

02:08:38.000 Ooh.

02:08:40.000 Let's guess that.

02:08:41.000 Okay.

02:08:42.000 Put that into our AI sponsor, Perplexity.

02:08:45.000 Perplexity probably has the answer to that.

02:08:47.000 Wait, they sponsor you guys?

02:08:48.000 Yeah.

02:08:48.000 Is that why you had the founder on?

02:08:50.000 Yeah.

02:08:50.000 Well, also because he's cool.

02:08:51.000 I talked to him and we started talking about ancient Hindu mythology.

02:08:55.000 I was like, dude, this guy'd be a cool guest.

02:08:57.000 I have it downloaded.

02:08:58.000 He's really interesting.

02:08:58.000 I haven't listened yet.

02:08:59.000 He's a fascinating guy.

02:09:01.000 We were talking about these temples in India, and I've been down these multiple rabbit holes about these temples that they carved out of a single.

02:09:08.000 2009, there were 69,000 podcasts. 0.99

02:09:12.000 Holy shit. 0.89

02:09:13.000 But that's not active. 0.81

02:09:13.000 That just means 69,000 in Apple's directory. 0.81

02:09:16.000 So that means roughly 70,000 people had done one at some point.

02:09:19.000 But then, yeah, I would wager a small percentage were actually active at the time.

02:09:23.000 Still, that's a lot.

02:09:24.000 So that's when I started.

02:09:25.000 So now, what is it now?

02:09:27.000 That, I'm curious.

02:09:28.000 Now, in 2026, how many podcasts are there?

02:09:32.000 I bet 7 million.

02:09:35.000 Yeah, I'm going to up my guess.

02:09:36.000 I'm going to up mine to 10 million.

02:09:37.000 Worldwide.

02:09:38.000 I'm upping mine to 10.

02:09:39.000 What does it say?

02:09:40.000 So since 2009, there were 69,000 versus several million shows today, depending on the database you look at.

02:09:47.000 But what is the number, though?

02:09:47.000 Okay.

02:09:49.000 4.5 to 4.7 million podcast shows globally as of 2026.

02:09:54.000 You know what I'd be curious about?

02:09:55.000 How many people.

02:09:57.000 Do content creation full time?

02:09:59.000 I wonder what that's like.

02:09:59.000 No, that's a good question.

02:10:00.000 Okay, let's figure that out.

02:10:02.000 Yeah, and how many people make a living?

02:10:04.000 Let's guess.

02:10:05.000 How many people make a living doing content creation?

02:10:07.000 2009 versus now.

02:10:09.000 I'd say 2009, maybe zero.

02:10:11.000 Yeah, or a thousand or something.

02:10:14.000 No, I was a little kid.

02:10:15.000 I'll say 5,000.

02:10:17.000 Okay, maybe five.

02:10:19.000 Content creation is like a very online content creation.

02:10:22.000 Yeah.

02:10:23.000 But the problem is that's like bloggers and.

02:10:25.000 Yeah, through social media.

02:10:27.000 Yeah.

02:10:28.000 2009, social media is just coming out.

02:10:30.000 You're right.

02:10:30.000 All right.

02:10:30.000 5,000 is probably.

02:10:31.000 So let's just think.

02:10:33.000 Let's just not even think about that.

02:10:34.000 Let's just think about today.

02:10:35.000 How many people are professional content creators today?

02:10:40.000 Move.

02:10:42.000 I would say lower, probably eight.

02:10:45.000 Let's see what that's eight million.

02:10:46.000 Yeah, that's probably more likely.

02:10:47.000 The barrier to entry you're making me look up here is also tough in the U.S., like taxpayers, people who are like filing, worldwide.

02:10:54.000 How many people do content creation full time, right?

02:10:57.000 Yeah, just how many content creators, how many professional content creators are there worldwide?

02:11:04.000 Slept perplexity, try to figure it out.

02:11:07.000 I will, but I'm just like, uh, it's I don't know what it's going to do.

02:11:11.000 That's what it's not.

02:11:12.000 What do you think it's going to do?

02:11:13.000 It's going to freak out and say, There's a lot.

02:11:17.000 Let's see what it says, though.

02:11:19.000 That's going to say the same sort of thing.

02:11:20.000 What does professional mean?

02:11:21.000 Okay, people that make a living pay their bills off of content creation.

02:11:29.000 I know, it's not a great question.

02:11:30.000 But let's just see what it says, just out of curiosity.

02:11:32.000 It might have an answer.

02:11:34.000 How would it know, really?

02:11:35.000 Yeah, you don't file your.

02:11:37.000 It could guess.

02:11:38.000 Because it guessed there 4.5 to 4.7 million.

02:11:42.000 It's probably just going to look for any database online.

02:11:44.000 8 to 12 million professional content creators worldwide, depending upon how professional is defined.

02:11:51.000 Roughly 200 to 300 million people identify as content creators globally in 2026. 0.99

02:11:56.000 Holy shit, man. 1.00

02:11:58.000 Holy shit. 1.00

02:12:00.000 Are they making money? 0.99

02:12:00.000 Are they. 0.99

02:12:01.000 Yeah, this seems relatively like it got the gist, though.

02:12:01.000 Right.

02:12:04.000 Yeah, it got it.

02:12:05.000 It wasn't a problem, Jamie.

02:12:06.000 You were pessimistic.

02:12:07.000 But we don't have an answer.

02:12:09.000 No, it's giving us rough data.

02:12:12.000 The rough data is 8 to 12 million professional content creators.

02:12:16.000 200, 300 million people identify as content creators.

02:12:20.000 So, out of those, which kind of makes sense that, you know, a small percentage of them are going to be able to figure out how to make a living entirely off of it.

02:12:27.000 One analyst estimates that about 4% of creators are professional, meaning they treat content creation as their main job and earn a full time living.

02:12:37.000 So, that makes sense.

02:12:39.000 Yeah.

02:12:40.000 That seems about right.

02:12:41.000 And that's about right with kind of a lot of things.

02:12:44.000 Yeah.

02:12:45.000 There's a bunch of people try it, and a small amount of people actually, like if you think about how many people.

02:12:51.000 If you go to an open mic night in stand up comedy and how many people are actively participating in open mic nights where they visit one or two open mics a week, and how many will eventually become professional stand up comedians and make a living off of it, you're probably in the same range of like 4% or something like that.

02:13:10.000 Probably less.

02:13:11.000 Yeah, it makes sense.

02:13:12.000 But the interesting part is that number is going to keep skyrocketing year over year.

02:13:15.000 I don't see any signs that any of this stuff is slowing down.

02:13:18.000 Especially if people see that this is a real path.

02:13:23.000 A pie in the sky dream.

02:13:23.000 This isn't.

02:13:25.000 There's a lot of.

02:13:26.000 I mean, at this point, if they don't see it, then I mean, I don't know what to tell you.

02:13:29.000 I mean, I'm literally spending hundreds of millions of dollars a year or investing hundreds of millions of dollars a year into content.

02:13:33.000 And so, I mean, it shows what the upper bounds look like.

02:13:36.000 Well, you're really wise in that regard is that you spent so much money dumping it back into the business.

02:13:44.000 And by doing that, your content is just so much more advanced than anybody else's.

02:13:49.000 And that's such a big risk because a lot of people would say, I'm making all this money.

02:13:53.000 Who knows when this is going to end?

02:13:54.000 Let me squirrel this away and make sure that I've got money saved up forever. 1.00

02:13:58.000 You're just like, fuck it. 1.00

02:13:59.000 Let's just spend it. 1.00

02:14:00.000 Go hard.

02:14:01.000 Well, it's what I used to call the creators would back in the day reach like 5 million subscribers.

02:14:06.000 And then it was a real inflection point that I would notice where they'd either keep growing or that's where they'd start to teeter off because it's around the time where they'd start to make good money.

02:14:14.000 And it's either like, okay, now they have a house, they have a car paid off.

02:14:18.000 And like the ones that were really money motivated, they kind of got that security.

02:14:21.000 And so that burning fire that was pushing them to do crazy things, like kind of started to die off.

02:14:26.000 And like it's like the Fermi paradox.

02:14:28.000 Like for quite a few people, it's around that range is where you see like your favorite creators start to get lazy, upload less, not.

02:14:33.000 Put as much effort and not care as much.

02:14:35.000 And so, but yeah, I never really had any of that.

02:14:38.000 I just like, you know, I mean, like I probably talked about last time we were on here, I used to live in an apartment that I would share that was $720 a month, so like 360 rent.

02:14:45.000 And I drove a 2006 Dodge Durango that cost a couple thousand bucks.

02:14:49.000 And I just didn't have any liabilities.

02:14:51.000 So I was just like, screw it.

02:14:52.000 I'll just keep my lifestyle cheap so I can just reinvest it all.

02:14:55.000 And, you know, that's so wise.

02:14:56.000 Most people don't do that.

02:14:57.000 And most people don't have the discipline to work as much as you do.

02:15:00.000 Well, and yeah, and the harder part too is when you have the pressure of your parents and stuff.

02:15:04.000 And I don't know, I'm weird.

02:15:05.000 Like when my mom would.

02:15:07.000 I mean, as sad as it sounds like, she would literally cry sometimes and be like, Man, I'm just so worried you're gonna lose everything.

02:15:12.000 Like, what if these videos stop getting views?

02:15:14.000 And I don't know what would come over me, but I'd be like, It'll be fine, mom, don't worry.

02:15:17.000 And I just like very commonly just say it to her.

02:15:19.000 I wouldn't argue with her.

02:15:20.000 I'd be like, Just have faith.

02:15:21.000 Well, you were right.

02:15:23.000 I know, and we're great now.

02:15:24.000 But it's up to parents.

02:15:25.000 Parents always worry about their kids.

02:15:26.000 Exactly.

02:15:26.000 So I don't think it's like she was doing anything wrong.

02:15:28.000 By all purposes, like she was doing the right thing.

02:15:31.000 It's just, so you also have to overcome that pressure as well.

02:15:34.000 Cause there's so many forces around you where even if you believe in yourself, all it takes is one person like saying something like, That puts self doubt in you, and then you're like, okay, you know.

02:15:42.000 But that's where I'm a big believer.

02:15:43.000 If you really want it, just keep your liabilities low, like live below your means.

02:15:46.000 And that way, it's like, you know, it's a little easier to be riskier if you aren't, you know, have all these things you got to afford because what really changes if you fail?

02:15:54.000 That's definitely smart.

02:15:56.000 But there's something that happens also to people where just the constant grind of work diminishes their enthusiasm and they lose their perspective.

02:16:05.000 They lose this perspective of, God, you're so fortunate to be able to do this.

02:16:09.000 You're so fortunate.

02:16:09.000 Yeah.

02:16:11.000 Exactly.

02:16:11.000 And, People just get really complacent.

02:16:16.000 It's so easy for people to just forget how fortunate they are to be able to do what they're doing.

02:16:21.000 Yeah.

02:16:21.000 And I'll admit it.

02:16:22.000 Sometimes I get hit with that where, you know, it'll be a late day of shooting and I'm in an airport and, you know, a bunch of people are following me around and filming me.

02:16:29.000 And I'm like, ah, you know, and you get those thoughts in your head where it's like, is this really the life I wanted?

02:16:34.000 And you like start to like be like, ah, you kind of regret your decisions.

02:16:37.000 But then you got to like snap out of it and you're like, okay, like the small subset of time, yeah, it might be brutal, but.

02:16:42.000 For the most part, I'm doing dope stuff.

02:16:44.000 Like, I'm in the pyramids, I'm in the Roman Colosseum, I'm doing like beautiful, amazing things.

02:16:48.000 I get to entertain and help people.

02:16:50.000 And it's like, and you just have to, I think it's very important you're around people who, like, you, if you have a group of people around you who, when you get in those negative thought loops, encourage it and help you spiral, then it's bad.

02:16:59.000 But if you have people who are, and which, you know, not everyone in my spot position has like people who are, you know, willing to tell them how it is, right?

02:17:06.000 Who are just like, bro, grow up, like, it's fine, you know, this will be done in 20 minutes and then, you know, your life's pretty good.

02:17:11.000 Like, you, you don't, it's, it's like a, It's a weird thing.

02:17:14.000 Like, you really, because, like, I've had some of those conversations with people where I give them the perspective, and I can tell, like, they haven't had that perspective fed to them in a very long time.

02:17:21.000 And you can, like, see it in their eyes.

02:17:22.000 They'll be like, yeah, you're right.

02:17:23.000 And it's like, yeah, you really need some, like, better people around you because you feel like you're, like, spiraling in these, like, really weird thoughts.

02:17:29.000 But, like, if you look at it objectively, it's not as bad as you think.

02:17:32.000 That's the really difficult resource to acquire being around positive people, powerful people, people that really get things done, and people that are motivating and people that are really exciting. 0.71

02:17:43.000 That's, Because so many people half ass things.

02:17:46.000 So many people do just enough, just barely enough.

02:17:50.000 You're supposed to go all the way, you go three quarters of the way.

02:17:55.000 So many people just don't.

02:17:57.000 But if you're around someone who really gets after it and really is enthusiastic and really is powerful and very positive, then it's contagious.

02:18:06.000 It literally is.

02:18:07.000 It's infectious and it makes something mundane, honestly, fun too.

02:18:10.000 And especially if you respect each other, then it just like it really compounds.

02:18:13.000 And so, so important.

02:18:15.000 Like, even at this stage, like I say, for newer, younger entrepreneurs or people trying to be content creators or friend groups, everything, even at the stage I'm at, it really is because you are like you think, speak, talk, act like the people you're around.

02:18:25.000 And like they say, show me the five people you're around the most, I'll show you what your future is.

02:18:28.000 And it, It applies at every level, you know.

02:18:30.000 Yeah, so my friend Brian Simpson has a great saying. 0.97

02:18:33.000 He says, You can't be your own boss and be a shitty employee. 0.94

02:18:38.000 Wait, elaborate on that. 0.99

02:18:39.000 So, if you work for yourself, if like you're the one who's out there doing it, you're like, So you don't work for anybody, but you also can't be a lazy, half ass employee. 0.93

02:18:48.000 He's like, You can't be both things.

02:18:50.000 He goes, If you're going to be your own boss, you better be a great employee. 0.98

02:18:53.000 And I was like, Oh, like, you can't be your own boss and a shitty employee. 0.97

02:18:58.000 Yeah, like, if you are going to work for yourself. 0.99

02:19:01.000 You got to get some shit done because that's a very rare position to be a person that works for themselves. 0.81

02:19:06.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:19:06.000 Do the thing you actually love to do. 0.99

02:19:08.000 Yeah.

02:19:09.000 And I think one of the things that's really powerful about this time, as opposed to any other time in history, is that there's so many conversations like this where you get to hear from a guy like you who is doing that. 0.98

02:19:20.000 So people, young people who are listening to this right now, they listen to you like, fucking Mr. Beast is just getting after it, man. 0.98

02:19:27.000 I want to do that.

02:19:28.000 Instead of like hanging out with your friend who just gets stoned and plays Call of Duty all day and is always complaining.

02:19:28.000 Yeah.

02:19:34.000 About everything in his life.

02:19:36.000 But meanwhile, he doesn't do anything.

02:19:37.000 You're like, that's not how I want to think and behave.

02:19:40.000 That guy is.

02:19:41.000 And so you get examples outside of your own personal social circle because maybe they don't know a Mr. Beast.

02:19:47.000 Maybe they don't know someone who's out there doing whatever they want to do with their life, but they get examples of it online and they can listen to these people talk and they get inspired.

02:19:56.000 Exactly.

02:19:57.000 And I would assume you have a lot of parents who watch these that have kids.

02:20:01.000 And I would encourage the parents to like the last three minutes of what he just said there.

02:20:05.000 Maybe play that for your kids.

02:20:06.000 And I can like go on top of it to say, because I agree, I don't think enough young people get exposure to this kind of mindset that, you know, it really is time, friend group, you know, iterations on certain things and consuming all knowledge available.

02:20:19.000 It's those four things.

02:20:20.000 And do those four things and like you'll make it further than you can imagine.

02:20:23.000 And like, you know, there's outliers.

02:20:25.000 Like, you, this is what like skews a lot of people's perception.

02:20:28.000 They'll find an outlier of like, well, this person became very hyper successful in this thing, but they didn't do those four things.

02:20:33.000 And there's outliers everywhere.

02:20:35.000 But if you look at statistically the average, right, the person listened to this, you're not going to.

02:20:39.000 Be this one in a million freak outlier.

02:20:40.000 Statistically, you know, if you want to make a good income doing something you're not currently doing and you're not currently very knowledgeable in it or have much experience, it's just those four things find those people, put in the time, do.

02:20:50.000 But it's like if you just listen to every Joe Rogan podcast, you're not going to be a great podcaster.

02:20:54.000 So it's time plus iterations, right?

02:20:56.000 You would have to go do an example of that would be do 500 mock podcasts while also consuming all of Joe Rogan's podcasts, right?

02:21:01.000 So you're doing both while also consuming all knowledge available about podcasts while also surrounding yourself with other people who want to be podcasts.

02:21:07.000 And then, yes, this podcast might have blown up in a year, but.

02:21:10.000 Statistically, that's not going to happen, right?

02:21:11.000 You have to give yourself, like, the average might be four or five years.

02:21:14.000 And some people, like me, take 10 years.

02:21:16.000 And you just have to be so in love with the journey that you're cool with it.

02:21:19.000 You're just like, I'm just going to do it till it works out.

02:21:21.000 And, you know, it could be as soon as this.

02:21:23.000 More than likely, it'll be here, but there's a chance it could be there.

02:21:26.000 And if that freaks you out and scares you, then you probably don't love it enough.

02:21:30.000 But if you're like, well, I'll have fun while I'm doing it, then yeah, do those four things over the long horizon.

02:21:34.000 And, you know, again, you probably won't make $100 million, but if you want to make $100,000 a year or whatever, it's, Not out of the realm of possibility.

02:21:42.000 And just those sentences alone, for a young person, when they hear it, it opens like a third eye in their mind where they've just been told their whole life go to college, get a job.

02:21:50.000 This doesn't even exist to them.

02:21:52.000 Yeah.

02:21:53.000 Again, it's like you have to be concerned about the process and doing a thing that you love to do and trying to get better at it.

02:21:59.000 And, you know, it's like, let's say you want a million dollars.

02:22:04.000 Well, you could win the lottery.

02:22:07.000 You might win the lottery, but the odds are very low.

02:22:09.000 Or you could find a bunch of people that work really hard, and what did they do?

02:22:12.000 Well, they just kept working hard and they figured out what it is they do and they made money.

02:22:15.000 Like, yeah, that's probably more likely.

02:22:18.000 So just go in the general direction, and who knows, along the way, you might hit it quick.

02:22:23.000 Something might happen really quick, or you might figure something out and you might be an outlier.

02:22:27.000 But, The point is, the process is available and the process is available to anybody.

02:22:31.000 You just keep doing something, you'll get better at it.

02:22:34.000 Be objective, be self analytical, like recognize what you're doing wrong and what you're doing right, and get better at it and constantly try to improve.

02:22:41.000 And just because something doesn't exist as what is your occupation, you know, in a form from 2001, doesn't mean it's not a real job, you know, and just because you can't tell people, you know, if I told people at a cocktail party in 2009 that, oh, I'm a podcaster.

02:23:01.000 Like, that means zero.

02:23:02.000 You tell them today, they go, Oh, amazing.

02:23:04.000 How long have you been doing that?

02:23:04.000 Yeah.

02:23:06.000 You're like, It's a job now, right?

02:23:07.000 So, how did it become a job?

02:23:08.000 A job because people figured out how to make it a job and they did it and it worked.

02:23:12.000 And so, there's a process.

02:23:13.000 So, that process exists with virtually anything you want to do that somebody does for a living.

02:23:17.000 I don't care if it's rock and roll star, stand up comedian, novelist.

02:23:21.000 There's a thing out there that you want to do that someone is making a living.

02:23:25.000 But meanwhile, there's going to be people who's like, Oh, the odds are you making it and that.

02:23:29.000 Like, okay.

02:23:29.000 Yeah.

02:23:30.000 Is that what we're doing? 0.97

02:23:31.000 Are we just fucking playing odds? 0.97

02:23:31.000 Yeah. 0.97

02:23:33.000 Yeah.

02:23:33.000 The odds of you dying are 100%.

02:23:35.000 Once you adopt this mindset, though, then the naysayers go from being brutal to actually being good because now the naysayers are what stop other people from doing the thing you're doing, which actually increases your odds, right?

02:23:49.000 So once you get over the hump where you reach a certain point where someone, as you're going on the climb, where someone going, this is stupid, this is unrealistic, or whatever, where you just like, it starts to feel like it goes from like something that makes you nervous and keeps you up at night to like you don't even really care anymore because you've just heard it so many times.

02:24:05.000 And then it's like, But there are people who hear it and they quit.

02:24:08.000 And so it's technically a benefit for you.

02:24:09.000 So I like to always, not always, but on a lot of things, I like to try to spin it as like a positive too.

02:24:13.000 Like, this thing that's annoying, well, what's the positive side of it?

02:24:16.000 And the positive is technically it'll make less people do the thing you're doing, which makes it easier for you.

02:24:21.000 I guess it does, but I don't ever think that way.

02:24:24.000 I just think if someone can do it, you can do it.

02:24:27.000 And the problem is you have to make sure that you're not spending too much time doing it the wrong way.

02:24:33.000 And so that's where it helps that someone's already paved the path.

02:24:37.000 Oh, yeah.

02:24:37.000 I mean, if you can get a mentor, here's the real question.

02:24:39.000 So, 2009, content creators, there's fucking very few of them, right?

02:24:44.000 What are we missing?

02:24:45.000 Like, what is going to be a job that no one sees coming that's going to be like a content creator or a YouTube creator 10, 15 years from now?

02:24:55.000 You know?

02:24:56.000 Oh, gosh.

02:24:57.000 I mean, it would have to be something with AI that we couldn't even see now.

02:25:00.000 So, what could it even be?

02:25:02.000 Like, what would it be that people are missing that other people are going to.

02:25:07.000 It's changing so quick.

02:25:08.000 Like, my brain can't even comprehend it.

02:25:10.000 Like, nobody even thought OnlyFans would be a possibility. 0.99

02:25:14.000 That there'd be a large amount of girls that just show their naked body for a living. 1.00

02:25:19.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:25:20.000 I mean, and not even for a living.

02:25:22.000 Like, most of them don't even get paid very much, but a lot of them have OnlyFans pages.

02:25:26.000 Something, some crazy number.

02:25:27.000 It's like 10% of girls, 18 to whatever, have OnlyFans.

02:25:31.000 Is that in the US?

02:25:32.000 Yeah.

02:25:33.000 Wow.

02:25:33.000 It's a nutty number.

02:25:34.000 It's crazy.

02:25:35.000 And an enormous number of people subscribe.

02:25:35.000 Yeah.

02:25:39.000 Yeah.

02:25:39.000 I think it's like literally half of American males have, at one point in time, subscribed to OnlyFans.

02:25:46.000 That can't be real.

02:25:47.000 That's.

02:25:48.000 I think it's like 150 million. 0.97

02:25:49.000 Holy crap. 0.95

02:25:50.000 Yeah, I think it's crazy. 0.99

02:25:52.000 I think the numbers are crazy.

02:25:53.000 Crazy high.

02:25:54.000 I mean, where my head's going, if we're trying to predict the future, maybe it would be like AI filmmakers or like something like that, but I don't even know.

02:26:02.000 But I mean, what are you doing there?

02:26:03.000 You're doing just recreating the prompts and making things like, yeah, it's lame.

02:26:08.000 But what are we missing?

02:26:09.000 Because the YouTube thing, nobody saw that coming.

02:26:11.000 Yeah, the podcast thing, nobody saw that coming either.

02:26:15.000 It's not new though, it's just changed the money, yeah, just got the money from a normal ads to subscription.

02:26:20.000 What also centralized it in the like where.

02:26:25.000 Playboy was always a thing where you had to get picked by Playboy.

02:26:28.000 You know, now all you have to do is just take a photo of your box and put it.

02:26:32.000 There's always the local.

02:26:35.000 Yeah, I mean, but it's not centralized like OnlyFans is where you go there and there's like thousands and I don't know how many more than that content creators, you know?

02:26:45.000 Yeah, I don't know.

02:26:46.000 Time will tell.

02:26:47.000 Yeah, time will tell.

02:26:49.000 But it's just such a fascinating world that we live in where the number one most watched show is.

02:26:57.000 In the world is yours.

02:26:59.000 Like you have the number one watch.

02:27:01.000 Well, if it's on YouTube, then it's the number one most watched show, period.

02:27:04.000 Yeah.

02:27:05.000 In the known universe.

02:27:06.000 You're the most watched person in the known universe.

02:27:06.000 Well, right now.

02:27:09.000 I opened it up on the way in because I figured we'd talk about the size of the show.

02:27:13.000 In the last 90 days, on just our main channel, it's like around 850 million unique people have watched a video in the last quarter.

02:27:19.000 That's so crazy.

02:27:21.000 Yeah, so we're doing around 4 billion views a month.

02:27:24.000 850 million people is so crazy.

02:27:27.000 Unique, too, because we did around 12 billion views in the last 90 days.

02:27:31.000 On just the main channel.

02:27:32.000 And of those 12 billion views, like whatever, 8% of them are different humans.

02:27:36.000 So it's like factually like 850 million.

02:27:38.000 Like when I say that, people are like, oh, that's 850 million views.

02:27:41.000 So like, you know, 80 million.

02:27:43.000 But no, it's 12 billion views, 850 million unique.

02:27:46.000 So it's just like, it's crazy, man.

02:27:48.000 And it's like, what's fascinating is you like 10 years ago, like even with cable or whatever, 20 years ago, 850 million people didn't use the same platform, right?

02:27:56.000 It's like you wouldn't have even been able to reach that many people, even if you were the biggest in anything.

02:28:00.000 It's like a very interesting time where essentially as internet usage grows worldwide, Outside of China, so does YouTube usage.

02:28:08.000 Because if you Google something, YouTube pops up, or you know, now if you're gymnasium something, you know, they'll eventually have YouTube, or if you buy an Android phone, which most phones have their operating system, YouTube's there.

02:28:16.000 So, like, everyone just as you use the internet, you end up on YouTube.

02:28:20.000 And so that's why, you know, even though it's whatever theoretically 3.2 billion monthly active users, I would be shocked if they didn't hit 4 billion in a couple of years and keep growing.

02:28:27.000 Like, it shows no signs of stopping as the internet's growing.

02:28:30.000 And so it's like to be number one on this platform that is basically mirrored to the internet is like it's it's like it's crazy.

02:28:37.000 It's it's it's a really wild.

02:28:40.000 Opportunity.

02:28:41.000 And because it's a platform where anyone can upload, the variety of content is extraordinary.

02:28:49.000 Because there's no gatekeepers.

02:28:50.000 Look, a lot of it's trash and nonsense, but there's so many interesting shows.

02:28:56.000 There's so many interesting shows on science, on cosmology, on history, on fill in the blank.

02:29:03.000 There's so many people that just have a passion for a certain thing and they made a channel and now that channel all of a sudden has new pages.

02:29:10.000 Our pages are very similar, probably.

02:29:11.000 I have so many, like, Old history videos where it's like some old guy that's just breaking down World War II battle scenes or whatever.

02:29:17.000 Agreed.

02:29:18.000 And like they go as niche as possible down to like this is like the most, you know, largest fights in history and it's like a ranking of like the top 10 deadliest fights or yeah.

02:29:27.000 Like I would say like a third of my homepage is like just history videos.

02:29:31.000 What is this here?

02:29:33.000 YouTube uploads, users upload roughly 500 hours of video every minute.

02:29:39.000 Okay.

02:29:39.000 Not to be that guy.

02:29:41.000 That's very outdated, I believe.

02:29:43.000 But maybe.

02:29:44.000 Or actually, no, no.

02:29:46.000 Sorry.

02:29:46.000 So people watch a billion hours a day on YouTube, I believe.

02:29:49.000 So this is uploaded.

02:29:50.000 Never mind.

02:29:51.000 This might be accurate.

02:29:52.000 So, 500 hours of video every minute, 30,000 hours per hour uploaded, 720,000 hours are uploaded per day.

02:30:03.000 Watching just one day's new uploads would take over 82 years.

02:30:07.000 Day.

02:30:09.000 Whoa.

02:30:11.000 YouTube, well, this is the 20 million videos uploaded a day that's quoting.

02:30:16.000 That was probably before shorts.

02:30:17.000 I bet you now that so many people are posting shorts, it's probably like way higher now.

02:30:23.000 That's nuts.

02:30:26.000 But I mean, what we're talking about, like having a platform like that where anybody can upload anything, it just makes the variety so intense.

02:30:36.000 Like there's anything you want to watch, any video you want to watch on nature, any video you want to watch on, you have a question about science, just put it in there.

02:30:46.000 And there's some guy who's got a fucking one and a half hour lecture on it. 0.68

02:30:48.000 Exactly. 1.00

02:30:49.000 It's nuts.

02:30:49.000 And that's the beauty to tie everything together as like a bow.

02:30:54.000 That's why you can learn anything and you can do anything you want for a living for the most part if you allocate the time because it's all there.

02:30:59.000 There's literally on YouTube Harvard classes that are recorded.

02:31:02.000 The same thing you would go into crippling debt to attend is literally there for free.

02:31:07.000 It's all there.

02:31:08.000 All knowledge is available there.

02:31:10.000 It's not easy.

02:31:11.000 No one's laying out how you're doing with the mothership.

02:31:14.000 Here's A to Z on how you could become a Cam Patterson.

02:31:17.000 It's not necessarily there, which is why it's hard.

02:31:19.000 All the ingredients are there.

02:31:20.000 You just have to go collect it, put them together, and put in the work to get A to Z, Z being the career you want to do.

02:31:26.000 It's because all the knowledge is there.

02:31:29.000 I've literally gone on podcasts countless times.

02:31:31.000 And said everything I know about YouTube with no gatekeeping whatsoever.

02:31:35.000 I've literally had people, where was it?

02:31:37.000 I was in some gym, this, I think it was in LA or whatever, in between shoots, just working out.

02:31:41.000 And a guy literally came up to me and I have no idea who he is, but he's like, I have 3 million subscribers on YouTube.

02:31:47.000 I started like 18 months ago and like I just listened to one of your podcasts and I just did like exactly what you said.

02:31:53.000 And I got a friend group, I started obsessing over it and, you know, and I did like these analytical things and I just like quit my job a couple months ago and I was like, no shot.

02:32:01.000 This is like a coincidence.

02:32:02.000 You were like, you're like tracking me or anything.

02:32:04.000 He's like, no.

02:32:04.000 And he's in gym clothes, sweaty.

02:32:05.000 He's like, I was just running on the treadmill.

02:32:07.000 And I just wanted to tell you that.

02:32:08.000 Like, I literally just quit my job and I'm making more money because I just listened to one of your podcasts.

02:32:12.000 And I was like, whoa.

02:32:14.000 And it was crazy.

02:32:15.000 But I've had experiences like that countless times where, like, these things, which is why I'm so passionate about sharing it, like, opens people's minds.

02:32:21.000 And he's like, yeah, I just, I didn't realize that was a possibility in life, you know?

02:32:25.000 Well, that's, you're coming from life with a perspective of feast, not famine.

02:32:33.000 And that's the good thing about it, that there's enough opportunity for everybody.

02:32:37.000 And I have a contrarian view on that because a lot of creators do see other creators as competitors, but I've always been like, if someone's doing well, I don't get threatened.

02:32:46.000 I'm like, yo, let's just film together.

02:32:47.000 Like, collaborators, not competitors.

02:32:49.000 Like, there's literally trillions of views going around. 0.99

02:32:52.000 If you think this person getting an extra, even if they crush it, billion views a year has any impact on me, like, you're crazy. 0.95

02:32:58.000 It has no impact.

02:32:59.000 You know what I mean?

02:33:00.000 There's, I mean, people are sometimes spending four or five hours, you know, a day consuming content, right?

02:33:04.000 They watch their little 20 minute video, you know, that they upload every two weeks.

02:33:08.000 No impact whatsoever.

02:33:09.000 And so I think it, and I was really the first person to kind of adopt that mindset, and more people are doing it now.

02:33:15.000 But yeah, that's why I go and share everything, like literally to a T.

02:33:18.000 And like I'll help people make, you know, some people end up making millions of dollars that I've helped mentored.

02:33:22.000 And I'm just like, yeah, it's just fun, you know, because they always ask me, like, why are you doing it?

02:33:25.000 I'm like, why not?

02:33:26.000 You know what I mean?

02:33:27.000 It's only positive, it's an abundance mindset.

02:33:27.000 What's the downside?

02:33:29.000 And that, I think the internet encourages that, fortunately, because television is the opposite of that.

02:33:36.000 So television, the problem was there was only a certain amount of slots.

02:33:39.000 So if the Mr. Beast show was on NBC, And then there was another guy who was on CBS.

02:33:43.000 He might also be at 8 p.m. on Wednesdays. 1.00

02:33:45.000 You're like, fuck that guy. 1.00

02:33:46.000 Yeah, true. 1.00

02:33:47.000 Yes, you would never.

02:33:47.000 I'm not going to give him a secret.

02:33:49.000 But because the fact that YouTube is available literally to anybody and the amount of people that are viewing it is so immense, it's an abundance.

02:33:56.000 And you treat it like that, and it actually just makes you grow.

02:33:59.000 So it's awesome.

02:33:59.000 Exactly.

02:34:00.000 Because also, if you share with people, they'll share with you.

02:34:02.000 And there's no one who will, at this point in my career, be able to go tell me something that will make me 10% better.

02:34:07.000 But there are infinite amounts of people that can make me a better storyteller or better at leader or better communicator or better at set design.

02:34:15.000 And it's more about grabbing those 0.1% here and there and adding them together.

02:34:19.000 And so sometimes I'll. 0.89

02:34:21.000 Give someone something that might fundamentally change everything for them, but then they'll teach me something very small.

02:34:25.000 And I'm like, oh, that's actually very useful.

02:34:27.000 And if I retain it, I could see how that'd be really cool on the set design, on how we could do a background or, hey, after X amount of feet, you don't need as much detail.

02:34:36.000 So now we can put more time into the detailed stuff up front.

02:34:39.000 But sometimes I was being too particular and things really far.

02:34:41.000 It's all these little things that you just accumulate over being around different people with different expertise.

02:34:46.000 And you just have to like, yeah, you just have to like, some people don't see the value in that kind of stuff, but you can.

02:34:52.000 Learn anything, or you can learn something from almost anyone.

02:34:54.000 And I do believe that because everyone has like different things and different experiences and stuff like that, especially as a content creator, because you're also making content for millions of people.

02:35:03.000 So even just learning, you know, what a normal person is going through or what their life is like is helpful for being able to relate with them and through the content or make something that is interesting to them.

02:35:11.000 So if you approach people like that, where it's like, I can learn something from you, no matter who it is, it's also, I feel like not many people take that approach either. 0.99

02:35:19.000 Fuck yeah, dude.

02:35:20.000 I think your approach, Is very valuable for a lot of people to hear and very valuable for young people to hear because if they just follow those principles and just follow your passion and really be disciplined and focused, you could do a lot of things in this life exactly. 0.99

02:35:36.000 You could be like Jimmy, you could probably not, statistically, not, but could you be a person with a couple less zeros and all the numbers?

02:35:43.000 Of course, yeah, and also just be enjoying your life because you're doing something you want, you're actually creating something, yeah, and something you'd be proud of, and something that people enjoy, and that makes you feel good that people are enjoying your work.

02:35:54.000 Yeah.

02:35:55.000 And speaking of something you're proud of, so since the last time I was on here, a big thing I've been working on is are you aware of how many kids are like working illegal child labor on cacao farms?

02:36:04.000 I think last time I was on here, we talked about how I sell chocolate.

02:36:07.000 Yes.

02:36:08.000 Yeah.

02:36:08.000 Do you know that there's over a million kids that work in illegal child labor on cacao farms?

02:36:12.000 Wow.

02:36:13.000 Where?

02:36:13.000 Yeah.

02:36:14.000 In West Africa.

02:36:15.000 So Cote d'Ivoire and Ghana, which is where like majority of the world's cacao comes from, there's rampant child labor.

02:36:20.000 You can ask perplexity.

02:36:21.000 I'd love for you to pull up data so we can see it that I'm not just making it up.

02:36:24.000 And when I think when I last came on here, it was right after I started a chocolate company.

02:36:28.000 And I had no idea how bad it was.

02:36:30.000 In the last few years, I've been trying to figure out how we can build our own supply chain where we can actually get kids out of illegal child labor.

02:36:36.000 And there's, it's like, really, I don't know if you're interested in it, but there's like a lot of stuff I'd love to share on that.

02:36:41.000 No, that's very cool.

02:36:42.000 Yeah.

02:36:42.000 So basically, if it just asks perplexity, how many kids work in child labor in West Africa and cacao farms?

02:36:49.000 And right here, 1.5 to 1.8 million people or children.

02:36:55.000 Yeah.

02:36:55.000 Wow.

02:36:56.000 It's pretty wild.

02:36:57.000 And I had no idea.

02:36:58.000 And like, it's been like this for decades.

02:37:01.000 So, it's so normalized in the chocolate industry that, you know, when I would talk to other people who work at chocolate companies or execs, they're just like, yeah, it just kind of is what it is.

02:37:09.000 So, that's just how they get their chocolate, period.

02:37:09.000 It's how it works.

02:37:11.000 Yeah.

02:37:12.000 I mean, it's not all the labor, it's around whatever, 46% of the labor, you know.

02:37:15.000 So, if you were to work with how it works, it's like there's well over a million farms in those areas, and you don't buy from farms because they have no leverage.

02:37:23.000 So, farms form cooperatives.

02:37:25.000 It's like these hundred farms will gather, aggregate their beans so they have a little leverage and they'll sell it to you.

02:37:29.000 So, you buy from a cooperative, and statistically, You know, 46% of those farms will have child labor.

02:37:33.000 Some won't, some will.

02:37:34.000 And so you're buying at a cooperative level.

02:37:37.000 And so, when I went to all the biggest distributors and everyone, you know, that does all the sourcing for cacao, and I was like, so is there any way I can pay a premium and not have little kids work on my farms?

02:37:47.000 And it literally didn't exist.

02:37:49.000 And I was just so mind blown.

02:37:51.000 And it really was frustrating because there, it just like, it's not even did it not exist?

02:37:55.000 Like, no one really seemed to even think it needed to exist.

02:37:58.000 I was like, you guys, like, these are kids.

02:38:00.000 Like, you have no issue making billions of dollars in profit on little kids working on the farms.

02:38:04.000 It was like a very weird thing.

02:38:06.000 So, That's crazy.

02:38:08.000 So, that's most chocolate?

02:38:10.000 Well, majority of the world's cacao, as you saw, comes from West Africa. 0.99

02:38:12.000 So, I mean, holy shit, man. 0.99

02:38:15.000 Yeah, I know. 0.99

02:38:15.000 And so, that's what I mean, I'm thousands of hours deep into this. 0.99

02:38:18.000 And so, I met a different company called Tony's Choccoloni, who is like a reporter who started talking about this.

02:38:24.000 Wait a minute, his name is Choccoloni?

02:38:26.000 Tony, but the chocolate brand is Tony's Choccoloni.

02:38:29.000 They did ethical sourcing.

02:38:30.000 And I spend a lot of time learning from them.

02:38:32.000 And like, I've just been on this journey with Feastables how can we ethically source, you know, Feastables cacao?

02:38:37.000 And so, we actually, this is a fun thing I've never said publicly.

02:38:40.000 So, we, We started doing working with certain farms, but then I started around seven months ago a big case study where we went to five villages that the average child labor there was like 45%.

02:38:51.000 So, 45% of the labor on the farms in these villages was illegal child labor.

02:38:56.000 And we went on the doors and we collected every single data point.

02:38:58.000 We knocked on every door.

02:38:59.000 We got there's around 10,000 people that live in those five communities.

02:39:02.000 We knew everything from the child labor rates to school attendance to everything.

02:39:06.000 And then, throughout the last few years, we've just been collecting tons of data on why kids work in child labor, how you get kids out of child labor, which most of it comes back to poverty.

02:39:13.000 Big Choco pays farmers so little. 0.53

02:39:15.000 That they just can't afford to not use children. 0.64

02:39:18.000 So, part of it is you, there's this thing called a living income reference price, which looks at like the cost to actually live there.

02:39:23.000 And you just guarantee your, so we guarantee 100% of our farmers that we'll pay a living income reference price.

02:39:28.000 And then we work with fair trade, which the cooperatives I was explaining to you, sometimes they're not democratically elected, right?

02:39:33.000 So you can pay more money, but if the cooperative is like someone skimming off money or taking it, it doesn't flow through to the farmers.

02:39:39.000 So, we go through, we make sure it's complicated.

02:39:42.000 It's like, I thought this would be an easier problem to solve.

02:39:44.000 This is a multi year journey for me.

02:39:45.000 But we go to the cooperatives, which again is just a collection of farms that, pool their cacao so they have more leverage so you can't take advantage of them.

02:39:51.000 And we make sure through Fairtrade that they're democratically elected cooperatives so the farmers actually get the money.

02:39:57.000 We pay a living income reference price.

02:39:59.000 And in exchange for doing those things, they have to let us audit and remediate the child labor on the farms.

02:40:03.000 And so in this five village case study that we did, there's around 10,000 people living in there.

02:40:08.000 And about seven months ago, there's around 550 kids that were in illegal child labor in those communities.

02:40:16.000 And so then we started taking over sourcing from there.

02:40:18.000 So we started doing our sourcing principles and paying the farmers a living income reference price.

02:40:21.000 Fairtrade came in, came in, started paying the premium.

02:40:24.000 And now, seven months later, we just got the initial results after we did our check ins.

02:40:30.000 And some of the communities, we were getting so many kids out of child labor, there literally wasn't a school because kids just worked on the farm.

02:40:35.000 So, like some of these, we literally built a school so they could go to school because the goal isn't just to get the kids out of child labor, it's also to get them an education.

02:40:42.000 So they're not, you know, because if you grow up only working on a cacao farm, you have no education.

02:40:46.000 So then you're basically doomed to working on it your whole life, you know, because you don't know anything else, right?

02:40:51.000 And so, We just did our recent wave of check ins where we knocked on all the doors, checked school attendance and everything.

02:40:56.000 And so, seven months ago, it was 550 kids ish, roughly in illegal child labor.

02:41:00.000 What do you think it was now, basically six, seven months later?

02:41:03.000 I don't know how many.

02:41:05.000 We were able to get a 90% reduction and get it to where there's only like around 50 still in child labor with our first check in.

02:41:11.000 And now we constitute a kid remediated out of child labor with two check ins.

02:41:15.000 So, that was just the first one.

02:41:17.000 So, technically, by our books, they wouldn't be fully remediated because, you know, there might have been an accident or whatever.

02:41:21.000 So, we like to double check it to make sure things are accurate.

02:41:23.000 So, we'll do another check in in the future so that.

02:41:25.000 Technically, officially remediated, but it just shows that, like, it's possible to reduce the child labor in these areas, like, dramatically, right?

02:41:32.000 Like, if you were to apply the things we did there, but macroly across the whole country, I mean, you're talking, you could get swarms of hundreds of thousands of kids out of illegal child labor.

02:41:39.000 And so, the big web I've been doing or been on is like, step one is I have to prove it's possible so then we can start.

02:41:47.000 You know, like most people like you, they just have no idea that there's this much rampant child labor in chocolate.

02:41:51.000 I had no idea until you brought it up.

02:41:53.000 I know, which is like crazy.

02:41:54.000 And it's like, it honestly, it really frustrates me because no one has any idea.

02:41:58.000 And like, everyone's just kind of cool with it.

02:42:00.000 And I think part of the problem, too, is if you were to Google it, They use like confusing language, or they're like, yeah, this is our ethical sourcing strategy.

02:42:06.000 But at the end of the day, obviously, most cows go into big chocolate, and you know, they can say they're doing all these things, but factually, there's all these kids in illegal child labor.

02:42:14.000 So it's like, I mean, wow.

02:42:15.000 And no one's put in the effort that you're doing when you just said that.

02:42:18.000 And so that's amazing, man.

02:42:18.000 Yeah.

02:42:20.000 Yeah.

02:42:20.000 And well, that's what I'm really excited about.

02:42:22.000 And I just wanted to mention it, A, because obviously, your biggest podcast in the world, and I just want to educate people on it that it's fucking crazy when you're buying chocolate.

02:42:29.000 And B, I'm really excited, though, with what we're doing, because I, We're essentially with Feastables building one of the most effective systems for getting kids out of illegal child labor in the world.

02:42:39.000 The more cacao we're sourcing, the more we're able to pay a living income reference price and then audit the farms and then get the kids into schools.

02:42:44.000 And it's pretty interesting.

02:42:46.000 With that village, right now, it was a 90% reduction.

02:42:50.000 It went from over 500 kids in illegal child labor down to 50.

02:42:52.000 And obviously, we're not done.

02:42:53.000 We're going to keep over time trying to get those 50 out of child labor.

02:42:55.000 But now, imagine that if we can keep sourcing more cacao as we keep growing and we could keep getting more and more kids out of illegal child labor.

02:43:02.000 You know, I have over a billion followers across all my platforms.

02:43:05.000 You know, I can show these case studies and then just like, you know, berate big chocolate into switching over because they make billions of dollars a year in profit.

02:43:12.000 They don't have to use child labor.

02:43:13.000 And, you know, and I think step one is showing that it's actually possible to not use it because right now, technically, there's not really a way you could, you know.

02:43:20.000 I think what's really important is getting people to understand that that's happening.

02:43:24.000 And you talking about it right now, now people will be aware of it because I think the vast majority of people, me included, were not aware.

02:43:24.000 Exactly.

02:43:31.000 So then they hear, they go, wait, hold on.

02:43:31.000 I know.

02:43:34.000 What about this company?

02:43:35.000 That I'm buying chocolate from.

02:43:36.000 Are they using child labor?

02:43:38.000 And then, you know.

02:43:39.000 And technically, I can never, like, feastables, I can't say it's child labor free because, you know, it's not like I have security cameras on the farm.

02:43:45.000 A kid could just walk on it and then, you know, well, he lied, right?

02:43:48.000 So I'll never be able to say.

02:43:49.000 We're making.

02:43:50.000 We're doing everything we can to make it as ethically sourced as possible.

02:43:53.000 And that's why I'm doing these case studies where I can literally factually show, like, people knocking on the doors, show, like, without a.

02:43:58.000 Because obviously, I know as I start to talk about this more, there's no doubt in my mind they're going to sue me because obviously, Big Chocolate doesn't like the idea that people are learning that there's so many kids in illegal child labor.

02:44:07.000 Because my microphone's so big, they're gonna want me to be quiet.

02:44:10.000 But in a perfect world, they'd hear these messages and they would have a soul and be like, you're right, we shouldn't make billions of dollars in profit off the back of little kids.

02:44:18.000 Let's just put a little bit of the money towards getting the kids into school and putting people that aren't kids on the farms.

02:44:25.000 And so ideally, that's what comes of it. 0.95

02:44:27.000 We'll see in the long run.

02:44:28.000 But right now, I'm just really focused on building these case studies and really showing in depth exactly how they could do it.

02:44:34.000 So then hopefully they just come around to give them the avenue to go, oh, we just didn't know this is cool.

02:44:39.000 Cool, we'll start doing it.

02:44:41.000 I mean, because technically, there isn't really like all these chocolate companies are so old.

02:44:45.000 Like, technically, the people who built and grew it, like the founders, they're dead, right?

02:44:49.000 This is third, fourth generation people.

02:44:51.000 Like, some of these people have never built a business from ground up.

02:44:54.000 So, maybe you could give them a little slack and be like, they just don't know any better.

02:44:57.000 And it's a problem they don't know how to solve. 1.00

02:44:58.000 Fuck them. 1.00

02:44:59.000 I mean, they know. 1.00

02:44:59.000 They know. 1.00

02:45:00.000 They have to be cooperative because in a perfect world, if we could get them all to switch, I mean, I don't know.

02:45:05.000 Well, maybe force their hand.

02:45:06.000 I mean, maybe just making people aware of it will help force their hand.

02:45:10.000 If I wasn't the biggest YouTuber in the world, If I were, here's a crazy sentence that I do believe to be true.

02:45:16.000 If I stopped caring about this issue and did nothing, then the 1.5 million kids in illegal child labor, I guarantee you it wouldn't change at all.

02:45:22.000 Like, it wouldn't change at all in the next five, 10 years.

02:45:23.000 Like, who else?

02:45:24.000 It's been, look at how many kids are in illegal child labor in West Africa on cacao farms.

02:45:29.000 Okay, we're back.

02:45:30.000 All right, we're back.

02:45:30.000 Big chocolate sent in at a tap.

02:45:32.000 Yeah, we've had this issue.

02:45:33.000 You're good.

02:45:34.000 But listen, man, it's just another example that you're an awesome guy.

02:45:38.000 And the fact that you don't just care about money and you really care about doing the right thing and that you've decided to do this is just another example of why you're great.

02:45:46.000 Thank you.

02:45:47.000 Well, and I wanted to educate people on that.

02:45:48.000 And another thing I'd also, I think, is a thing that people should hear is, especially in America, do you know that, I mean, it's probably not going to surprise you, but 40% of food that's produced in America ends up getting thrown away?

02:46:00.000 I have heard that.

02:46:01.000 And so a lot of what we've been doing is working with It's like working with nonprofits and setting up essentially like, you know, so many stores and restaurants, just throw away perfectly good food.

02:46:01.000 Yeah.

02:46:10.000 Or like they'll have things like if something's like within a week of being expired, they just toss it out because whatever.

02:46:16.000 But it's like it's perfectly edible.

02:46:17.000 There's literally nothing wrong with the food.

02:46:18.000 And we've been just setting up like many, there's a 501c nonprofit called Sharing Access who crushes at this.

02:46:24.000 And we've been funding and building like these small logistics hubs, like one in New York, you know, and we've been through them and then also our food banks, we've been able to distribute over 40 million meals to people in need across America.

02:46:36.000 And instead of like buying food and taking and storing and distributing it, just taking food that would have been thrown away, but is perfectly fine and perfectly healthy, and just figuring out how in a couple of days to just get it to food drives or people in need.

02:46:47.000 And that's another thing, too.

02:46:49.000 Illegal child labor and cacao and that are like two things that I feel like people should just be aware of because it's a very solvable thing.

02:46:55.000 You know what I mean?

02:46:55.000 Like if you work at a retailer, I'm sure a lot of people here do, that throws away perfectly good food because they're like, you know, they never want to run a risk of something being bad on the shelf, so they'll preemptively throw it away.

02:47:05.000 Just call a local nonprofit and be like, hey, Every week, we tend to throw away food around this time.

02:47:10.000 Come pick it up.

02:47:11.000 Little tweaks like that is so simple, but would feed so many people in need and save us so much money.

02:47:17.000 And I feel like it's kind of a no brainer.

02:47:18.000 And I've literally seen it in effect.

02:47:20.000 We're opening up another facility that over the next 12 months should be able to distribute around 10 million pounds of food.

02:47:25.000 So, whatever that is, maybe like 7 million meals.

02:47:28.000 And it's just taking food that would have been thrown away.

02:47:30.000 And it's kind of mind blowing that in America, more people aren't aware of that because it's a very solvable thing, to be honest.

02:47:37.000 I think there's so many people that are.

02:47:39.000 Only concentrating on what's going to make them money.

02:47:42.000 And of course, yeah.

02:47:43.000 You know, it's very rare that someone like you thinks about greater good and actually puts on the money.

02:47:50.000 But in this case, that one doesn't even cost you money.

02:47:53.000 We're just talking about instead of putting it up to sell, you put it in a truck.

02:47:56.000 But the effort to.

02:47:58.000 Well, maybe one of you, if you're a Walmart or I don't even know, some random store owner listening to us, just consider it.

02:48:03.000 Don't throw the food away.

02:48:05.000 You're an awesome guy, Jimmy.

02:48:06.000 Thank you for being here, man.

02:48:06.000 Thank you.

02:48:07.000 It was really fun.

02:48:08.000 I really appreciate it.

02:48:09.000 Congratulations.

02:48:10.000 And we got to make this zombie show.

02:48:11.000 We'll do it.

02:48:12.000 We're doing it.

02:48:13.000 I'll handle all the work and stuff, but you got to explain it.

02:48:13.000 Yeah, I think we should do it.

02:48:15.000 I'll think about it some more, too.

02:48:17.000 I'm going to bounce this around because I got excited.

02:48:17.000 Yeah.

02:48:19.000 Yeah.

02:48:20.000 I think there's something to it.

02:48:21.000 Next time you see me and Joe together, it's going to be fighting off some zombies.

02:48:24.000 All right.

02:48:25.000 Sounds good.

02:48:26.000 It was awesome.

02:48:26.000 Thank you.

02:48:26.000 Thank you for having me.

02:48:27.000 Oh, my pleasure.

02:48:27.000 Thank you.

02:48:28.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - July 16, 2026

Joe Rogan Experience #2527 - MrBeast

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