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00:07:11.000Yeah, as a kid I got really into robots and then I studied computer science.
00:07:16.000And then while I was doing that I found out that instead of just programming computers, you could actually teach them how to learn the answer on their own, artificial intelligence.
00:07:26.000That there was science fiction that you could study for real, the nerd in me really went for it.
00:07:33.000It was exactly like if you're playing a role-playing game and you have a character sheet and you're picking the skills.
00:07:39.000I saw roboticist and I said, oh well, I'll level up in that.
00:09:11.000This is all based on stuff that we either have already or we're going to have soon.
00:09:15.000So it's the most realistic version that I could come up with.
00:09:18.000But that said, I don't really think that the robots are going to You know, join together under a sentient artificial intelligence and then try to wipe us out as a species.
00:09:29.000I always wonder, because I always felt like there were certain things that, the instincts that human beings had that lead us to war and lead us to feats of ego and craziness and psychosis, and I always felt that they were,
00:09:44.000a lot of them were wrapped around breeding, around the necessary things that need to be in place in order to reinforce the idea that it's competition to breed.
00:09:57.000And that these things wouldn't exist in a computer because it wouldn't need them.
00:10:01.000It wouldn't be inherent to the system the same way greed and ego is almost inherent to the human system to promote sexual conquest or to promote competition.
00:10:13.000Yeah, I mean if you look at any of us that are sitting here that are alive, you gotta think that every single one of our ancestors, by hook or by crook, they lived long enough To make babies and to keep the babies safe.
00:10:24.000And so you don't make it that long, like 200,000 years of homo sapien, without being a badass, right?
00:10:33.000Anybody that was a little too soft, they're not here.
00:10:38.000And so that is a part of our DNA, literally, as human beings.
00:10:42.000And the thing about building robots is...
00:10:45.000I mean, you can make them any way you want, right?
00:10:48.000If you want to build a robot that's going to have a sense of self-preservation, you can do that.
00:10:54.000Well, there's also the crazy thought that in this pursuit, this mad pursuit of success that pushes people to do war and pushes people with great feats of ego, it's almost like that's necessary to ensure that there's some form of competition to make things move in the right direction.
00:11:19.000But it doesn't seem like that would be inherent in a computer system.
00:11:23.000I think, like, the douchey human behavior, like, we shouldn't think that it would, like, say, oh, we've got to wipe out all these people.
00:11:31.000We have to take over and wipe out all these people.
00:11:32.000It doesn't even seem like it would have, like, a desire to compete.
00:14:03.000I wonder what they actually knew how to do back then, if they could actually land it.
00:14:07.000One thing I've always wondered is if you're driving a drone all day, you know, and you, like, are the human being that does pull the trigger, like, wouldn't it be nicer for the government to put, like, a big black sensor bar, like, over it before you see all the little people get turned into chunks of meat?
00:15:14.000A landmine is basically a robot, right?
00:15:17.000To define robots, when people ask me, I always say, It's any kind of mechanical artifact that senses the environment, thinks about what to do, and then acts on its own and does the whole sense-think-act deal.
00:16:55.000So now, in order to make them more ethical, there are lots of new landmines that I've read about.
00:17:01.000The self-healing minefield is one of my favorites.
00:17:04.000It's a minefield where the landmines can locomote a little bit, so you spread them out, and then if something comes through, they basically set up a local area network, so each landmine kind of has basically Wi-Fi, and they're talking to each other, so they kind of know where each other are at.
00:17:18.000Then if some of them get blown up, other ones are able to hop, and they just do these little hops until they Until they evenly distribute themselves again.
00:17:28.000And so then you've got this what they call a self-healing minefield.
00:17:32.000But that's nothing compared to the crab mines, the ones that are designed to be dropped offshore.
00:17:36.000And they've got crab legs and they scuttle up on the bottom of the ocean up to the...
00:18:16.000I've never seen a real one of those, and I don't think those are really in use.
00:18:19.000But it's a great example of if you want to build a machine that's going to operate in a certain environment, you think of the environment as a problem, right?
00:18:28.000The problem is how do you locomote on the bottom of the ocean in the pounding surf?
00:18:42.000And so you go and you study the animals, and then you take the basic principles about how they locomote and how they do whatever, and then you distill them down, you stick them into a robot.
00:18:52.000So no matter where you want to go, there's usually a solution to that problem in the form of an animal that you can study.
00:18:59.000And then I push up my glasses onto my nose.
00:20:56.000If you look at how to do speech recognition or emotion recognition, from a robot's perspective, we are just moving pieces of flesh around on our faces into different configurations, and then that conveys some sort of inner chemical state...
00:22:31.000Yeah, it's about thinking about, like...
00:22:34.000What happens when we start integrating this technology into our own bodies?
00:22:38.000And just not thinking about crazy science fiction, far out stuff, just thinking about right now.
00:22:44.000What's really cool about this to me is that the people who are getting this, are people that have real serious disabilities.
00:22:52.000People who are willing to have a hole drilled in their skull and a neural implant placed on the surface of their brain to improve their quality of life.
00:23:01.000And it's not like Tony Stark or rich kids that are getting a leg up in school.
00:23:08.000It's like the most vulnerable, challenged people in our society are getting this technology.
00:23:15.000And in some cases, it's making them It's not bringing them back to normal.
00:23:29.000Because, I mean, what's it going to be like when you realize that, hey, if you really do want to be the fastest sprinter on the planet, you've got to cut your legs off.
00:23:36.000Because, like, there's just no way to do it.
00:24:36.000I mean, if you take somebody off of performance-enhancing drugs, they're still capable of doing whatever it is that they were doing, just slower or not as well or whatever.
00:24:47.000Yeah, it's an interesting thing, the performance-enhancing drug thing, because By keeping it secret and by hiding it and by sneaking around it.
00:24:58.000Take all the moral arguments out of it.
00:25:02.000When it comes to cheating and achieving victory and unseemly methods...
00:25:08.000Most of the people that do that, they think that they have to do it in order to compete.
00:26:17.000There's a cool book called Machine Man by Max Berry, which...
00:26:20.000I love any book that's written from the perspective of, like, an autistic person.
00:26:25.000Because a person with Asperger's, you know, because if you read books that are from those perspectives, they tend to be really Hemingway-esque.
00:26:32.000Like, the short sentences, they're easy to read.
00:27:02.000Like, there are circumstances where...
00:27:05.000You know, you have to have, what do they call it, graceful failure or graceful degradation or something, where it needs to fail gracefully.
00:27:15.000So if you shut it down, it needs to shut down its stages so that it doesn't hurt people.
00:27:20.000But yeah, I think kill switches, emergency stops, those are a huge aspect of building safe robots, you know, but it's not the whole story.
00:27:31.000It seems like the real issue would be how much of the human ideal of life would be programmed into it.
00:27:39.000If you were going to engineer a life form, which essentially you would be able to do if you had a robot and you turn this computer into some sort of a sentient being, what aspects of the human psyche would you engineer into it?
00:27:53.000Would you engineer into it a sense of survival?
00:27:56.000Would it be able to understand that that's illogical and override it if it was that strong and if you gave it some autonomy?
00:28:26.000I think there's some story I read where there's...
00:28:32.000Actually, I wrote a story where there was basically a robot that was designed to paint happy faces on things and then it goes nuts and runs amok and it just paints happy faces on everything and it ends up destroying the universe, painting happy faces because that's the way it sees the world.
00:28:46.000I think there are a lot of people who think a lot about Ray Kurzweil, for instance.
00:28:54.000He's really obsessed with this idea That we're going to upload our brains into machines and that we will basically have a machine that simulates every neuron in your brain and then you'll live inside and you'll live forever inside the box, right?
00:29:10.000That's a great example of giving a human experience, like a human life to a machine so that it knows what things are like from our perspective.
00:29:19.000So it knows you don't step on babies when you're walking across the room.
00:29:55.000We create a machine that's smart enough to make itself smarter, and then you kind of have a runaway feedback loop, and it gets smarter and smarter.
00:30:03.000But I don't think that that's something that is really going to happen anytime soon.
00:30:11.000So why would you be confident in thinking that it's not going to happen?
00:30:13.000Well, because it's sort of like if we were live with Jules Verne and we were discussing, like, well, what shape should the capsule be when we go to the moon?
00:30:22.000You know, it's like we're not close enough to solving that problem to sort of make informed decisions about how we should solve it.
00:30:42.000For sure, that's going to be an ethical issue.
00:30:45.000It's going to be like a slavery-type issue.
00:30:47.000If you have a really good form of intelligent life that you've created, it's an artificial intelligence, and you have it as a sex slave, that would be fucked up, man.
00:30:57.000The sentient thing, like the thing where they're smart enough to...
00:31:01.000For us to worry about all these ethical things.
00:31:29.000And your decision there, as a roboticist, as a scientist, product designer, whatever you are, you're designing an ethical interaction between your product and a human being.
00:31:41.000And your decision can affect whether this guy Hurts a real woman, you know?
00:31:49.000Or if you're building toys for children or really lifelike pets, you know, and a kid sticks the fake dog into the microwave, like, what happens, you know?
00:31:58.000Because my gut feeling is not okay, right?
00:32:27.000And then they have a scientist walk in, and in half of the experiments, the scientist says to the robot head, Hey, that was a really dumbass move.
00:34:08.000The idea that we're in some sort of an incredible computer program, and that it's so complicated.
00:34:15.000And so well done that it's indistinguishable from real life and that we're interacting with things, but that the more they study string theory, they're studying in the computations of string theory, they keep finding this self-correcting computer code.
00:34:32.000I don't understand what that means, but I understand it's a very specific type of computer code that we didn't even figure out until the early 20th century.
00:34:40.000I think they said we figured it out in the 40s or 50s or something like that, if I remember correctly, but...
00:34:46.000The idea that this is in these string theory equations that they're putting together.
00:34:53.000I don't understand mathematics, but what I think they're trying to say is like, there's an eerie code to all this.
00:35:03.000It's not just like, we don't know what the code is, but we can see that there's some repeating patterns.
00:35:26.00042. It doesn't seem like if technology moves in the direction it's going right now.
00:35:36.000If our computers get more and more powerful or our CGI shit is more and more believable, we've got to keep moving until one day we reach a point where we can simulate reality.
00:37:34.000Could they ever make, like, you know, are we going to have human beings that are that indistinguishable?
00:37:40.000The question is, like, would you bother, because you could just create them in CG, right, and make them perfectly realistic, would you bother creating the real world version?
00:37:50.000But I have to say, I'm super excited because I have a short story that got picked up by this director.
00:37:55.000He's sort of a budding guy in London, right?
00:37:59.000But he's making a short film based on this thing and he's negotiating with...
00:38:03.000It's a story about a guy and a robot boy that he lives with because his real son has passed away.
00:38:10.000And we got Lambert Wilson, the Merovingian, is going to be in this thing.
00:38:15.000And then he's working with a university to get an actual robot.
00:38:20.000There's this thing called the N.A.O. Humanoid.
00:38:23.000It's the size of an eight to ten year old kid.
00:38:25.000If you Google it, I mean, it moves like a real human being.
00:38:28.000And they're going to have it as an actor.
00:38:30.000It's just a short film, but, I mean, it's going to be pretty cool.
00:38:34.000It's going to be a real robot acting in a movie.
00:42:44.000And you think that that sort of raw awe-inspiring event is going to propel mankind into the stars.
00:42:50.000But actually, we were just competing with the Russians.
00:42:53.000And it was just, it was enough to put a flag there.
00:42:56.000And the instant that we need to go beyond that, I think, is the instant that some other nation plants a flag next to ours or knocks it down.
00:43:37.000If we actually start having bases on the moon, if people actually started doing that, if they developed the technology to one day have bases on the moon, and we would go there, like going to fucking Hawaii.
00:43:47.000It's like a 24-hour trip in the shuttle.
00:44:37.000If you poison the Earth's atmosphere so that you can't even walk outside anymore or you screw up the atmosphere so that we're getting radiation from...
00:45:46.000I forget the website, but it shows the first tests, and then it shows Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and it shows all these different ones that they did in Nevada.
00:47:10.000The reason I like it is because I was thinking, and this is a little bit of a spoiler, but while I was writing Robo-Apocalypse, I was thinking, look, if I was a super intelligent AI, right, I'm not going to hang out and have all my processors in a place where humans are going to be comfortable,
00:47:54.000That is a dope idea that we would create a place where the bad guy lives because we're so stupid we blew up nukes in a hole that we dug into the ground.
00:48:10.000Now, is that a case of people just having too much power because it's a military project to do whatever they want to do and the scientists are allowed to say, hey, let's try this, like some wacky scientist?
00:48:22.000This may not be a popular viewpoint, but I think it's awesome.
00:50:54.000So he took one of these little rockets and he literally strapped it onto his back and tethered himself to the ground and just turned it on.
00:53:21.000Those Google cars are essentially driving around now.
00:53:25.000A lot of people in Seattle were talking about how they see them all the time on the freeway just driving around like a guy in the back seat and no one in the front seat.
00:55:16.000You know, Google just bought Stanford's team, essentially.
00:55:18.000There's a guy named Sebastian Thrun who got me into school at CMU, and then he worked on the autonomous cars at Stanford, because Stanford bought him.
00:55:26.000And then Google bought They took Sebastian and now, I mean this guy, Sebastian Thrun, he's going to change the world.
00:55:35.000He's going to introduce autonomous vehicles.
00:55:45.000So do you think that's the future, that everyone will have their own personal autonomous vehicle and they'll queue in on the highways and whatever and you'll be able to read the newspaper and your little vehicle won't be in control of it anymore?
00:55:58.000Well, the first thing, I'm not sure if people are really doing this where they're in the back outside of a closed course.
00:56:06.000These cars require a person to be behind the wheel to take the blame if it wrecks.
00:56:12.000So you're just sort of like a big, meaty, blame, piece of blame machinery.
00:56:19.000Like, that's the only part you play in this whole thing.
00:56:23.000That's going to be a job in the future, though, like a fry guy, but you're going to be sitting in the backseat of a car being the blame me.
00:59:14.000So just think of this even just from the beginning for like one second from the perspective of a person who's actually building a domestic humanoid robot to sell.
00:59:22.000Okay, first of all, you know that a human being, anything you put in their environment at home, they are going to put their fingers in it, they're going to try to have sex with it, they're going to get in the bathtub with it, they're going to find a way to like kill themselves using this...
00:59:37.000A toaster is really hard to build Think about building this domestic robot.
00:59:43.000I think the first thing that you're gonna do is you're gonna make it incapable of hurting people.
00:59:47.000You're gonna make it small and light so that it can't walk through a plate glass window.
00:59:52.000So that if it loses its batteries and goes all George Bush Segway and just falls over, then it won't crush your baby.
01:00:17.000But anyway, the point I'm trying to make is if you're going to build a real domestic robot that's in someone's house, it's not going to be capable of crushing your fist with its hand or leaping through a glass window and falling three stories and denting the concrete.
01:01:15.000So people are willing to lay down a premium.
01:01:17.000And in fact, I got to again, Carl Wrench made this short film called The Gift, and these people have this snooty-looking butler robot that is a total badass, like totally physically over-engineered for the job he does, and it's an awesome,
01:01:54.000And this, there was like, all these compilation ones, Creepy and Eerie, were all these different stories.
01:02:00.000And I remember one of them, from one of those types of comic books, was about a robot that wound up fucking this dude's wife.
01:02:07.000And it was really heavy-duty, man, because the guy tried to fight the robot, and the robot snapped his arm and broke it in front of him, and the robot had this giant dick.
01:02:17.000Yeah, it was really creepy, because it was like this guy couldn't do anything about it, and this robot was taking over and fucking his wife.
01:02:25.000It was a really fucked up video, or a comic book, rather, because I remember reading it when I was like, God, I couldn't have been more than eight or nine.
01:02:34.000You know, that's when I was, like, really into comic books.
01:02:38.000And so, this image of this bald, giant robot with this giant cock snapping this guy's arm after he got done fucking his wife was, like, so disturbing.
01:02:51.000I was like, could you imagine if that's what you have to deal with?
01:02:53.000Does this robot start coming along and fucking people's wives and snapping dudes' arms and shit?
01:02:59.000I think that's kind of the underlying fear, right?
01:03:43.000And we at least remember a time when you could beat a robot at chess and just be a normal person who likes to play chess every now and then.
01:03:53.000The next generations, they've never lived in a time when a robot didn't dominate them at a lot of intellectual tasks and increasingly physical tasks.
01:04:03.000Like, there's gonna be people born that don't remember a time when cars didn't drive themselves better than humans can drive cars.
01:04:37.000Well, I mean, we had computers growing up.
01:04:39.000It was more like the internet was probably 18, but I've had computers my whole life.
01:04:44.000What do you think, coming from Ohio, coming from a place like Columbus, what do you think is the biggest impact that the internet has to a place like that?
01:04:52.000Because now when you go back there, do you find these kids to be more tuned in than you were when you were their age?
01:05:00.000Back in the day, the only way I would know anybody from another school or whatever is if I met them at a game or if I went to a roller skating rink and they were in the men's bathroom and they told me to come in a stall.
01:05:25.000They're staying at each other's houses.
01:05:27.000They're flying in and getting each other at the airport, and they're a gang now.
01:05:30.000Right, and that's all because of the internet.
01:05:33.000The internet connecting all these different things in a way that's never happened before allows all these areas that used to have no culture coming into them.
01:05:43.000It allows them to experience an incredible variety of different things right out of their fucking computer.
01:05:48.000Yeah, but on specific details, like really specific things that you're into where you wouldn't be able to get a critical mass of people that are into it if you had to be co-located.
01:07:02.000Anything beyond that is really, there's a very narrow stripe of like acquaintances and then it's all, you know, you have all this time that you spend interacting with people online and it's a thousand people.
01:07:38.000I think it's also something that we have to get used to managing.
01:07:43.000It's managing the amount of information that comes into your life and managing the amount of people that you're interacting with.
01:07:50.000Just any sort of social interaction through a message board or Facebook or Twitter, you could get so absorbed in communicating with all these different people that you will never get anything done.
01:08:04.000Yeah, and you'll be the guy looking at his damn vibrating monster cell phone all the time while you're out and your friends are just like, I hate this guy.
01:08:12.000This immersion, this human immersion to technology, disturbs me the most when I see people that are really, really addicted to role-playing games.
01:08:19.000That's where I see, like, wow, you could really get stuck in a black hole and lose your fucking life.
01:08:26.000Have you ever met anybody that's known anybody?
01:08:28.000I have friends that are super into role-playing games, but also board games people get into, but then also video games make role-playing games so much easier, especially the massively online multiplayer stuff.
01:08:40.000A lot of times that seems to me to be just simple escape.
01:09:36.000For a meeting and says, hey man, like, you know, you've got a problem and I'm going to have to limit like the amount of raids you can go on.
01:09:43.000And she had to, but she had to make that human element real, you know, because this kid had a real relationship with his guild master.
01:09:50.000They hung out for hours and hours and hours, you know, they were tight, but they never met.
01:09:55.000You know, and so they weren't able to, you know, she had to bring him in to look out for this kid.
01:10:49.000Forbes article about a guy named Peter Singer who's a...
01:10:53.000He's basically a consultant for anybody, the CIA, all the military infrastructure, and they had him design all the robotic weaponry that's in the new Call of Duty.
01:11:05.000And the shit is all super legit and really realistic.
01:12:43.000He's so past, just computer-wise, what he's doing all day, the computations that he's making, the way he's redesigning these first-person shooters.
01:12:55.000He's like a super, super fucking genius.
01:14:03.000He certainly did innovate in a big way in the first-person shooter world.
01:14:08.000It was him, and there was that other guy that was with him with Doom, and then that guy left when he made Quake, who had long hair, had fabulous hair.
01:14:18.000He was a very controversial video game designer himself, and those were the original id guys.
01:14:24.000But they went on to make Quake, like Quake 2, Quake 3. Each one of them got better and more intense with the graphics, The amount of hours of entertainment they provided with those video games.
01:18:56.000I know there was a lot of women quake players though There was like a lot of girls were really good that would play one-on-one duels with dudes and fuck them up and it was embarrassing as shit Because you just get jacked and quake by a chick.
01:19:07.000Have you seen the zombies in the new Call of Duty?
01:19:10.000They have a zombie mode like and it's crazy as fuck.
01:20:30.000I mean, we're afraid of the human form, man.
01:20:32.000Well, we're afraid of the human form in a diseased manner too, whether it's psychologically diseased or whether it's that 28 Days Later, that epidemic, that rage shit that got out.
01:20:43.000That was one of the scariest movies ever.
01:20:45.000I got a whole horror movie theory about this.
01:20:47.000My theory is that the reason that like a werewolf is scarier than like a wolf is because the werewolf, because it has human traits, has the capability of being evil, right?
01:21:01.000Because a wolf or like an animal or just nature is not good or evil.
01:21:06.000Like you don't blame the wolf for killing somebody.
01:21:09.000But as soon as you inject some human into it, then you have something that's capable of just really being evil and just doing something for evil's sake.
01:21:19.000Yeah, I think that's a really accurate representation.
01:21:22.000If you stop and think about it, it's very rare that a wolf would...
01:21:25.000Actually, I have a friend, now that you think about this, I have a friend who had these wolves.
01:21:31.000They were his pets, and they were like seven-eighths timber wolf, and they had like a little bit of husky or something else in them, and they were essentially wolves, man.
01:21:40.000And he didn't really have good control over these things.
01:21:43.000And they got out and they killed a bunch of the neighbor's farm animals.
01:21:46.000And they didn't just kill one and ate it.
01:22:14.000Humans seem to be a lot more capable of evil than wolves.
01:22:17.000Well, again, it's the competition thing, you know?
01:22:19.000It's the complexities of the possibilities of emotions that can be conjured up raising a child and doing a shitty job of doing it and putting the kid in horrible situations.
01:22:31.000And then all of a sudden, what that person is at the most evil...
01:22:37.000You know the worst characteristics ever of a human being merged with a wolf and that's what a werewolf would be like a just horrible psychotic killer animal.
01:22:46.000It's about it's like it's about like knowing what you're doing right like Hannibal Lecter freaks me the hell out because he's so aware of exactly what he's inflicting and it's like and that's what Like, amplifies whatever evil act he's doing is the level of,
01:23:04.000like, satisfaction that he's getting out of it.
01:23:07.000And that really, you know, makes it worse.
01:24:17.000But, yeah, that idea of the genius that wants to kill you, that doesn't have any remorse whatsoever and is doing it because it's the only thing that gives them any sort of a feeling.
01:24:44.000What if it becomes the first country that commits their army to becoming robot cyborgs?
01:24:52.000I mean, this is like a question with whether we should implant ourselves and use neural implants to do things because you think to yourself, well, like, okay, we have all this bioethics and we've decided that it's not ethical for People to do this because everyone would have to get one in order to compete,
01:25:13.000And then it's like, oh, in China, they're mandated by the state.
01:25:18.000And they're getting real productive over there in China.
01:25:21.000And it's like, oh, you know, you think about sort of you have a macrocosm view and then you have like a microcosm.
01:25:28.000Microcosm is everybody in my kid's classroom went to the doctor and got diagnosed with ADHD. And now all these kids have a neural implant And they're all way smarter than my kid.
01:25:38.000And the macrocosm is like that but applied to a whole nation that we're competing with.
01:25:44.000Dude, that would freak you out if you were the only kid that had a natural brain in class and all the other kids had chips in their heads and you couldn't fuck with anything they were saying.
01:26:12.000The Outer Limits is an awesome fucking show.
01:26:15.000I love the idea of the possibilities that science fiction presents.
01:26:18.000I just love that there's so many different...
01:26:20.000When you stop and think, especially when we were talking about Lost in Space, when they really had no idea what the future was going to be like.
01:26:27.000And you get to see what their vision of it was.
01:27:06.000Visually alone, it's worth watching because there's some incredible scenes in it, just visually.
01:27:10.000But the future, like the technology they present, doesn't seem much different than what we're capable of right now.
01:27:16.000That stuff really does, you know, influence actual science.
01:27:20.000Like, you know, people will take clips from these movies and everything and show them during their presentations and say, this is like what we're doing.
01:28:02.000You know what I'm really impressed with is the speech recognition.
01:28:05.000The iPhone has a native app that comes with it called Notes.
01:28:10.000And this Notes, when you go to enter into a new note, it has this little...
01:28:15.000This little button that you can press that looks like an old-school microphone, and you can just press it, and you talk into it, and you go, Daniel H. Wilson is a bad motherfucker.
01:30:15.000That makes you like a black belt in writing.
01:30:18.000I think it really is important because when you're writing for a living, it's really hard to convey to people whether you're doing all right or not.
01:30:27.000Because people, you'll be at a party and no one knows who the hell you are.
01:32:42.000Yeah, maybe it's girls like putting out a signal like they're down.
01:32:45.000I had a friend who dated this girl and they were normal and he said she got this book, read the book, and then the next time they were together she asked him to spit in her mouth.
01:33:26.000On the TV and at the beginning and I've never seen this before at the beginning before they played the the porn right there's a message that says These are unrealistic scenarios.
01:34:08.000If you talk to anybody that's in the medical profession, that's done any work in the emergency room, they would tell you about all the various things that people stuffed in their body and then got stuck up there.
01:34:38.000Dude, gingerly had to walk him because he was afraid that if he closed down on his ass, it would shatter inside of his ass and just shards of blood.
01:34:47.000And there's a video of a guy doing that very thing.
01:38:37.000They're not going to probably get taken by internet scammers from their iPhone, but almost everything else.
01:38:42.000There's a Times article right now where they're interviewing people, like a bunch of different people, about Porn, you know, and the impact on society.
01:38:50.000And there's somebody that says exactly that.
01:38:51.000They're like, look, you know, kids have access to everything.
01:38:55.000It's really impossible to limit that access.
01:38:58.000And they're talking about how all this easy access to porn has affected people's sex lives.
01:40:36.000Yeah, and I think that also that relationship, whenever you have gay friends and you see how their relationships are, you know, to the extent that you see that if you're a heterosexual, I mean, obviously you're not seeing the whole story.
01:40:50.000They're not seeing your whole story in your bedroom either.
01:40:52.000But I think that those types of relationships, each person has their own specific one and it affects each other.
01:40:57.000You see that, like, you know, my friends that are gay tend to have, like, Relationships where they trust each other a lot and they're a little looser.
01:41:19.000And for whatever reason, the real issue lies in the fact that it's not legal everywhere, that they don't share the same rights as people everywhere.
01:41:36.000They're just two people that want to get married.
01:41:38.000The idea that you would have to have a certain sexual proclivity in order to engage in this It's just so bizarre.
01:41:46.000And if you allow any sort of bizarre, any sort of discrimination that doesn't make any sense objectively, if you allow any of that in our world, then it's going to come at you too, man.
01:41:56.000And if you don't take a stand for gay people that want to get married and for whatever reason they're being persecuted by numbskulls and overly religious crazy people, if you don't take a stand for them, then who's going to take a stand for you when it comes in your direction?
01:42:09.000Who's going to take a stand for humanity?
01:42:11.000Because it's just a person who happens to like men.
01:42:14.000Why do you let them marry each other, you fuck?
01:43:35.000It is nice to have some people that want to slow things down.
01:43:39.000Well, it's bizarre when religion actually tries to interfere with science in ways that don't make any sense.
01:43:46.000One of my favorite ones was the Pope talking to Stephen Hawking, and he told him that it was okay to explore the nature of the universe, but it wasn't okay to explore the origins of the Big Bang, because that would be like questioning God himself.
01:45:01.000I have Native American in my background, right?
01:45:05.000Growing up, I was always interested in reading the history and thinking about why did Native Americans get basically wiped out, and also Aborigines and things.
01:45:16.000And you think about the fact that in Australia, All the different tribes in Australia, they all spoke different languages, and they all had a certain amount of land, and they were kind of in stasis.
01:45:28.000I mean, they fought with each other, but everything always kind of ended up the same.
01:45:32.000There was no one group that conquered all of Australia.
01:45:36.000And then you think about Europe and other more bellicose places.
01:45:41.000Here you've got places where They enforce one culture on massive groups of people, right?
01:46:43.000And you really have to trust yourself a lot, I think, to really trust science because you are acknowledging that you don't know everything.
01:46:52.000You're allowing a thought into your mind that a lot of people do not find comforting.
01:46:59.000We essentially live in a soup of madness.
01:47:02.000And that is the world that we actually exist in.
01:47:05.000And we want to pretend that we're in this strange Sandra Bullock movie where everything's going to be okay and everything's going to be normal.
01:47:12.000And one of the best ways to do that is to think that there's a guy that lived a long time ago that came back from the dead and he absolved you of all your bullshit.
01:47:20.000You just got to take him into your heart and you're good, no matter how bad you've been in the past.
01:48:24.000When you build a robot, right, what you choose to make it look like is a promise.
01:48:29.000It's a guarantee to the person that's going to interact with it.
01:48:31.000So if you build a robot that looks just exactly like a human being, then anybody that walks up to that robot is going to damn well expect that that robot is going to be as smart as a human being.
01:48:40.000If you say, what's up, buddy, it's going to say, hey there, pal.
01:48:44.000And if it doesn't, people get mad, you know?
01:48:46.000Which is why I don't think we're gonna see super realistic, like, you know, androids anytime soon, because we don't have the full package, you know?
01:48:56.000We may be able to make it look really realistic, but we can't make it behave in a really realistic way.
01:49:02.000I mean, just because that's the hard part.
01:49:04.000But is that, I mean, it's a temporary hurdle, isn't it?
01:49:08.000I mean, with the way science continually grows in this exponential manner, it seems that if they could figure out, they could sort of figure out how to mimic various aspects of the actual human.
01:51:38.000Lots of people are screaming his name, right?
01:51:40.000Yeah, I'm sure someone on Twitter will tell me who the guy's name is, but yeah, he played an amazing robot.
01:51:45.000He did the best job, in my opinion, in any robot movie, of walking that creepy line where you think he almost feels slighted, but doesn't because he really doesn't have any programmed emotions, but he's recognizing that you're trying to slight him.
01:53:16.000That's a skill that's going to be difficult when they start doing CGI movies, like completely CGI, like really replicating an actual human's emotions and the way a human like that guy can act.
01:53:29.000That's going to be really difficult to do.
01:53:31.000It's all the little things that the actors learn.
01:53:35.000I've been watching all the Chris Hemsworth movies because he's also supposed to be in Robo-Apocalypse.
01:54:31.000Now he has a clause in his contract that says they can't rewrite it to make it weirder when they hire him because he's tired of all the roles shaping to fit him instead of him having to act.
01:55:10.000There's got to be at least one ranting, screaming scene in every movie.
01:55:15.000I think after a while, these dudes probably like, Especially after they get paid a few times, they really sell out hard and make some fat cash on a terrible movie.
01:55:27.000And they're like, wow, that was pretty easy.
01:55:28.000It's one of those good problems, you know?
01:55:31.000I keep getting hired and getting paid a lot of money to be myself.
01:55:34.000But Robert De Niro did a bunch of stinky-ass movies, man.
01:55:38.000He did that one movie where he was a gremlin or a warlock or something like that.
01:55:44.000Wasn't there a movie where it was like one of those Hobbit-type rip-offs?
01:57:39.000In Robo-Pocalypse, it's all Native Americans.
01:57:42.000Like, so I have this feeling that if the federal government were to fall apart...
01:57:47.000There are all these sovereign tribal governments that are around that have jails and cops and hospitals and everything that you need, right?
01:58:53.000It's kind of funny that we have this thing with movies where we accept that we're seeing the same guy over and over and over again in a bunch of different lives.
01:59:03.000I mean, in one movie, he's the last American samurai, whatever the fuck he is.
01:59:58.000What I found was amazing about that movie, though, was that one of the things about that movie is that this guy can endure incredible cold and pain.
02:00:07.000He can do all these amazing things physically, and yet he also had incredible discipline and he never chased pussy.
02:00:14.000It's like they made him the most unrealistic superhero ever.
02:00:19.000Because like I was thinking about they were going over James Bond today and they were talking about on the Ron and Fez show, they were talking about all the different names for the James Bond women and which one was the hottest and which girl, which James Bond girl.
02:00:44.000He has no needs whatsoever sexually, but yet he flips through the air and lands on top of the roofs and beats the shit everybody and carries this woman the whole way.
02:00:52.000But she just wants, like, that is like the ideal man.
02:00:54.000Women want a vampire that won't suck your blood and can go out in the daytime.
02:02:14.000That's a pretty well-done commercial for a beer commercial.
02:02:17.000And Heineken was going that way already, because they had all those commercials where the dudes flipping through the air, and he's just kind of a Bond-esque kind of badass.
02:04:04.000My theory on this, there's 80s and 90s.
02:04:07.000Late 80s, early 90s, there's all these movies where the action scenes consist of people holding submachine guns and going, like spraying bullets at each other, right?
02:04:16.000Or they'll be like way up on the catwalk and they'll have a shotgun and they're like, boom, boom, shooting somebody like way the fuck across the warehouse.
02:04:22.000And my theory is that you can't get away with that shit anymore because every kid plays Call of Duty.
02:04:28.000They know that a shotgun is ineffective at long range.
02:04:32.000This is like in the DNA of every 14-year-old boy.
02:04:36.000You just know that you can't shoot somebody with a shotgun from across a football field.
02:04:43.000And so the whole spraying, the submachine gun thing, that stuff is just gone now.
02:04:49.000You've got to be way more brutal And like accurate and realistic about it.
02:04:54.000Well, that's why martial arts movies don't look like those early, you know, Jean-Claude Van Damme and those early, like martial arts movies.
02:05:03.000It's harder to buy this guy, you know, flipping you over his head and grabbing you by the wrist when you see like an MMA fight.
02:05:10.000Yeah, so when you realize what really happened.
02:05:12.000Yeah, I was watching Demolition Man and like Wesley Snipes is, like, fucking doing, like, roundhouse kicks, like, four, five, six times.
02:05:20.000The guy's still standing there, like, really connecting with a real roundhouse kick.
02:05:25.000Like, when does that even ever happen, right?
02:05:45.000Where dudes would just get, stand in a circle, and guys would just charge at him to the left, and he would kick him, and then the guy would charge from the right, he would kick him, and nobody ever rushed him all at one time.
02:06:05.000The whole episode is just, they're like, keep going!
02:06:08.000Kick him a couple more times in the stomach.
02:06:11.000Dude, there was an episode where a bomb went off and he lost his sight and he went and he meditated and he got his sight back at the end and saved somebody.
02:06:20.000He had to get his sight back to save somebody.
02:08:05.000Movies that perfect different elements of the genre and then you and then you'll have one perfect one or two perfect storm movies that get everything and then you know and then it dissipates the times change Code of Silence was one super legit movie that Chuck Norris did.
02:09:10.000Because, you know, a lot of the action heroes from that era that are also movie stars, you know, there's a lot of sort of surgical stuff that starts creeping in and they start looking a little funny.
02:10:22.000I'm not working out because you only get so many movements, you know, so I'm saving them all up.
02:10:28.000Imagine if it worked that way, if you were born a fucking superhero, and every day of your life, you used your physical points, and the more physical activity you did, the lower your life got.
02:10:38.000The brighter the candle burns, the faster.
02:10:40.000Yeah, so your life would be almost like a video game.
02:10:44.000Everybody would have the equal number to start with.
02:10:47.000Well, they made that movie where you have a certain amount of time to live.
02:10:50.000Did you know they're remaking Logan's Run?
02:11:28.000He was sort of like, he was at peace with the fact that in this world, you can show up and a hundred people be in line to get a book signed.
02:11:38.000Or you can show up and it'll just be like, like nobody.
02:11:41.000Or like that one guy that wants to talk about...
02:11:44.000Every aspect of Star Trek and then he sort of wanders off without buying a book.
02:11:48.000Oh, that's got to be brutal for those guys.
02:11:49.000I just invested 20 minutes in you, buddy.
02:11:54.000Yeah, that's got to be annoying for those guys because they're really trying to be friendly to people but they're also trying to sell some shit and get some things signed.
02:12:00.000Well, I mean, at the end of the day, yeah, I mean, you're trying to sell a book.
02:12:44.000Well, people are always concerned about the idea that one day, due to the fact that we can keep everybody alive...
02:12:51.000And the fact that populations are exploding, we're continuing to figure out new diseases and how to cure people when they're sick and people are staying alive longer.
02:12:59.000At what point in time does it become an issue?
02:13:05.000So all these scenarios, like the Justin Timberlake movie or Logan's Run pop up where the evil government forces you into a contamination process.
02:14:04.000And he says, you know, one way to avoid it is to have a machine that's going to Basically take a snapshot of every neuron in your brain, which they're all just little switches, right?
02:14:13.000And it's going to figure out exactly what's going on in your brain, and then it's going to continue to simulate that.
02:14:19.000But, like, part of me is just saying, yo!
02:14:23.000When you die, even if you simulate yourself perfectly, you're freaking dead.
02:14:30.000And there's the other possibility that when you're dead and this other life goes on, it's going to be completely disconnected from reality and who knows how it's going to progress.
02:14:44.000Just because it's a copy of the operating system and all the information and all the traits that your brain...
02:14:50.000How the fuck do you know what that thing is once it's on its own?
02:14:53.000You remember Robocop where they put the criminal guy's mind into a machine and he's like...
02:14:58.000They turn him on and he's just like...
02:14:59.000This demonic face like he's totally in agony and screaming and he doesn't know...
02:15:05.000He's lost his embodiment as a human being.
02:15:07.000I mean, if you lose your limb, that mentally screws you up because your brain has a map of who you are, right?
02:15:15.000And then if you took your whole brain and stuck it into something that wasn't even a human body, I mean, that shit would mentally traumatize you.
02:16:48.000And how would you hold on to that if you transferred them?
02:16:51.000Whatever that magic is to us, that magic compelling sort of charm is to us, that's completely lost in the worlds of cold ones and zeros and machines.
02:19:10.000And it's interesting to me because I haven't thought about it this way.
02:19:12.000But you're saying, look, Wilson, if you think that because you're embodied as a human, you're obligated to experience life as a human and do all the things humans do.
02:19:51.000That would be one of the saddest things, your family being remorseful that you weren't around.
02:19:56.000But the idea of what you're saying is you wouldn't want to be downloaded into some machine where you didn't experience all the joys an actual person experiences.
02:20:04.000What I'm saying is I think they're going to be able to create artificial human beings that literally you will get a whole new body to download yourself into.
02:20:13.000And you will drink wine, and you will enjoy it, and you will like blowjobs, and you will like water parks, and going skiing, and you will like doing all the things that a person likes.
02:20:22.000You would just be doing it in this completely new physical existence that they've created, an artificial human being.
02:21:04.000Yeah, it's gonna be really interesting to see what form all of this, you know, quote-unquote, progress and technological innovation, where it goes.
02:21:14.000Because no one from, obviously, from the Lost in Space days, we were just looking at that.
02:21:56.000GPS satellites, all that stuff, that was all military tech that eventually went public.
02:22:01.000It would be so awesome if they weren't killing innocent people.
02:22:04.000The Autonomous Vehicles is from a DARPA project.
02:22:09.000That was from the Future Combat Initiative that has since gone away.
02:22:13.000They wanted a lot of autonomous caravans because they were tired of humans getting blown up with IEDs.
02:22:19.000So, looking to the military is not a bad idea if you want to see what's coming next for civilians.
02:22:25.000The real spooky thing is the Air Force drone aviary, where they're working on all these different sized drones, flapping wing drones, drones that look like a bird.
02:22:37.000They literally flap their wings and move like a bird.
02:22:39.000There was a video where they showed all the different ones they have now, these dragonfly ones that fit on the tip of your finger.
02:23:15.000Yeah, you really wouldn't be able to keep up those RPMs at the higher mass.
02:23:19.000That's why a pterodactyl wouldn't fly like a dragonfly.
02:23:24.000Yeah, I'm not an expert on this in particular, but from what I understand, the way a fly actually flaps its wings is it's more of a scoop, because it's dealing with such a small number of particles of air, and it actually becomes almost more like a fluid,
02:23:41.000Yeah, you don't have to do that on a larger scale.
02:23:44.000You can get lift without having to do that.
02:23:47.000The agility of a fly, if you really wrap your head around it, like when you try to swat a fly and it darts away from you, it is mind-blowing how well those fuckers can move.
02:24:31.000If flies were big, we'd be fucking terrified.
02:24:33.000If flies were from another planet and we found them, if we tuned into another planet and we sent a probe, a light year away or whatever, and they found giant insect forms, if they were giant flies, like flies the size of bulls...
02:25:25.000They have just little holes, and I don't know exactly how it works, but apparently whenever there's a lot of high oxygen, you get a ratio that's better for them.
02:25:34.000Well, yeah, what I said doesn't make sense.
02:26:02.000Part of the scenario that they're proposing was that something about the atmosphere was much different and that it was easier to support giant forms of life.
02:26:10.000Then the other thing was, I guess, the trees and the vegetation was different back then.
02:26:14.000A lot of these animals were vegetable eaters.
02:26:17.000And then if you're going to have a giant brontosaurus, if something's going to eat it, it's got to be like a T-Rex.
02:26:21.000It's got to be a giant, fucking, even bigger, crazier thing.
02:26:24.000So it's almost like the more plants you have to eat, the bigger the things are that eat the plants and the bigger the things that eat the...
02:26:56.000And it's all because they have to take down water buffaloes.
02:26:58.000Like they've adapted to this one particular area.
02:27:01.000Every animal is a solution to a problem.
02:27:03.000Yeah, but do robots, that's the question, do robots, and if they're going to have that engineered into their system, aren't us the first shit they're going to get rid of, man?
02:27:37.000Yeah, it's like we're going to eventually have to deal with the moral aspects of ordering them around, having them as slaves, making them rust, sex tools.
02:27:48.000I think that robots have the potential to be more human than we are, to be more moral than we are.
02:27:55.000And to be great examples for our children, to raise our children.
02:28:00.000I think we're going to become very, very, very intimate with these machines.
02:28:42.000They can paint paintings, they can create symphonies.
02:28:45.000Maybe we're just very rudimentary right now in our thoughts on what robotics are or what artificial intelligence is, but why would we think that we're so special that we can't be recreated?
02:29:18.000What is it showing us about the human race where there's a positivity and there's energy to be derived from good behavior and from healthy behavior?
02:29:29.000It's just very difficult to teach that to people.
02:29:31.000And if you negatively reinforce it and give them a lot of negative energy in their life and a lot of negative experiences, then they recreate that sort of energy and they go after it over and over again.
02:29:40.000They get addicted to a certain pattern.
02:29:44.000That's the number one issue with engineering human beings, period.
02:30:25.000I mean, you really are creating a life form.
02:30:27.000If you were 52 years old and you had been divorced several times and you had almost no money left and somebody gave you a beautiful robot sex slave that didn't want to vote and had no personality of its own, just existed to fulfill your sexual needs, maybe then you'd understand.
02:30:42.000But right now you're a young man with hope in your eyes and dreams for the future.
02:30:46.000If you were broken by a steady stream of bad relationship choices and divorces and you were living in a fucking shack outside of Palmdale with a car that's broken down, you wouldn't think twice about that robot fuck doll.
02:30:56.000You'd be like, I'm out of the dating scene for life.
02:30:59.000Do you think that would make people happy?
02:31:12.000I think that it's very hard for people to be happy.
02:31:15.000And one of the things that people need in order to be happy, in my opinion, is that you need happy people in your life.
02:31:22.000You need to surround yourself with happy people.
02:31:23.000That alone is very difficult to find because finding a group of people that have managed to maneuver and managed to carve a path through life that's been generating The majority of the people they're encountering with are enjoying their company.
02:31:38.000The majority of it is a positive experience.
02:31:44.000All those different things, all those variables that have to be in place in order to find a truly happy person, it's really difficult to accumulate a bunch of people like that and get together.
02:31:53.000So occasionally, like many of us in our lives, have known there are certain people we have to cut off.
02:31:58.000There's a certain point in time, you know, okay, this person is an energy vampire.
02:32:02.000They're never getting their own shit together.
02:32:04.000Hold on, you gotta cut me off for one second.
02:33:46.000So what do you think about the Olive Garden?
02:33:51.000I think the Olive Garden is pretty nice.
02:33:54.000You know that there's a list of companies, including the Olive Garden and Red Lobster, where they're cutting everyone's hours so they don't have to give them health care.
02:34:02.000It's like Red Lobster, Olive Garden, all these legit companies.
02:34:07.000And because of that Obamacare, they're cutting everyone's hours.
02:34:10.000And it's pretty fucking weird watching these companies do that.
02:34:14.000Yeah, it's sort of weird because you see that the corporations have rebounded.
02:34:19.000They've got all this money, but they're still not quite trusting that the economy is better, so they're sticking with all the cuts they made and riding that as long as they can.
02:35:31.000And then you get it and you're like, I don't know.
02:35:33.000It's like Revenge of the Nerds, you know, they have that robot.
02:35:35.000And you're like, I don't think it can really You remember Napoleon Dynamite where the uncle got a time machine and he kept trying to use it?
02:38:07.000Sometimes you'll say something at a show and the next night someone will quote it and they'll be laughing and you go, oh yeah, I forgot I even said that.
02:38:13.000You know, it becomes these quoted things.
02:38:17.000When you see your stuff highlighted and you see like the things that people really enjoy or did enjoy, how much does that affect your next writing?
02:38:27.000Do you really look a lot at the feedback and try to like see it from their point of view?
02:38:34.000It affects my readings because I'll try to go read.
02:38:37.000When I do a reading, I'll try to read like The part that people like, so they think I'm smart and good at writing.
02:38:46.000So it affects which excerpts you choose for a reading thing.
02:38:50.000But when I'm writing, man, when I'm nerding out and I'm all super excited, then I know I'm doing it right, basically.
02:38:57.000Isn't that the coolest thing in the world?
02:38:59.000Like when you're writing and an idea comes into your head and you're just following it down and it's like building and growing like right before your eyes.
02:39:07.000Being able to create something and being able to, you know, come up with some shit that didn't exist before and then boom, then all of a sudden it does.
02:39:13.000It's such an unbelievably satisfying experience.
02:39:44.000I'm pretty curious what this movie is going to do for you.
02:39:47.000Oh, it's going to blow through the roof.
02:39:49.000If you just only had a few bitches getting rape-choked and gagged and ball-gagged and mouth-fucked, you just kind of have them abused a little bit more.
02:39:58.000Do your books go in order at all, if I'm ready to buy them?
02:42:20.000I got the non-cellular one because I have an iPhone that has a hotspot.
02:42:24.000But I think more that I'm using the hotspot feature on the iPhone, I think if you were going to get it, do get the one with the cell phone service built into it.
02:42:32.000It's just kind of more of a pain in the butt, like, oh, I've got to turn on my hotspot.
02:46:02.000And if you go to audible.com forward slash Joe, you can get a free book and you get a 30-day free membership to one of the best services that I think...
02:46:53.000Oh, if you use the code name Sandy, we'll take that 10% and we'll donate it towards Hurricane Relief.
02:46:57.000We actually decided to go with the Salvation Army because in this case, the Salvation Army is using 100% of the proceeds for Hurricane Relief.