The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #331 - Dr. Steven Greer

00:00:02.000 Welcome to a very special weekend edition, a late night weekend edition.

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00:00:28.000 We're going to keep it simple.

00:00:30.000 It's Kissy McKisserson.

00:00:31.000 Oh, that guy.

00:00:32.000 We met him this weekend.

00:00:33.000 The dude who is in the Onit Power commercial, the Powerlifter.

00:00:37.000 Very, very cool dude, by the way.

00:00:39.000 That's a great nice night.

00:00:39.000 With his also very cool girlfriend.

00:00:41.000 And it was hilarious because they were so happy that we shit all over the part of the commercial where he hangs out with the girls.

00:00:47.000 She was so mad about that.

00:00:49.000 Because at the end of the commercial, this is a commercial for a testosterone supplement called T Plus.

00:00:55.000 And what T Plus does is it naturally stimulates your body to produce more testosterone.

00:01:01.000 And it's a commercial with this powerlifter dude.

00:01:03.000 Well, in the beginning of it, it's just him lifting weights.

00:01:05.000 All of it makes sense.

00:01:06.000 But then the end of it, it was him with two girls at a bar.

00:01:10.000 And he was like, being Mr. Sexy Face.

00:01:11.000 We need to get a copy of it because I need to see it.

00:01:14.000 He took that shit off the internet so fast.

00:01:16.000 I guess I said in one of the podcasts, I said, like, I don't want to be like this guy or look like this guy.

00:01:16.000 And you know what he said?

00:01:20.000 So he comes up to me and goes, I don't want to look like you, man.

00:01:23.000 I'm like, what, wait, who are you?

00:01:25.000 And I'm like, oh, you're Kissy Muscle guy.

00:01:27.000 Well, stop.

00:01:27.000 You're not telling the truth at all, you fuck.

00:01:29.000 You distort reality.

00:01:31.000 He came up to you and told you the whole thing.

00:01:33.000 You knew who he was exactly.

00:01:35.000 Yeah, but he said, and he tweeted it to you.

00:01:37.000 Fuck you, man.

00:01:38.000 I don't want to be like you.

00:01:39.000 I had no idea who that was.

00:01:40.000 I just thought it was a hater.

00:01:41.000 I probably blocked him.

00:01:42.000 I was like, what?

00:01:42.000 I don't want to be like you either.

00:01:43.000 What the fuck does that mean?

00:01:44.000 Whatever.

00:01:46.000 But he was super nice.

00:01:47.000 And I accidentally put a sticker in his girlfriend's hair.

00:01:49.000 Yeah, Brian was, he thought he was being cute by putting desk squad stickers on the pack of people's back.

00:01:53.000 When I was taking photos.

00:01:55.000 Yeah.

00:01:55.000 Douchebag.

00:01:57.000 Silly bitch. 1.00

00:01:58.000 Anyway, on it.com, O-N-I-T, codename Rogan.

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00:02:04.000 When is your shows?

00:02:05.000 You got a show in San Diego coming up?

00:02:06.000 Yeah, we have one San Diego, March 14th.

00:02:09.000 We have Billy Bonel, Tony Hinchcliffe, Jason Thiebaud, and another person that we're working on that's pretty big.

00:02:15.000 And tickets are on sale right now.

00:02:17.000 And also, I'm going to Toronto in July, but I won't even bother.

00:02:21.000 Well, that's in July.

00:02:22.000 Yeah, fucking shit.

00:02:23.000 It's too far away.

00:02:24.000 Yeah, it's too far away.

00:02:25.000 All right, Dr. Stephen Greer is here.

00:02:27.000 We are going to get to the bottom of a lot of crazy shit, ladies and gentlemen.

00:02:31.000 This is one of the most requested guests ever on the podcast.

00:02:35.000 Cue the music, Brian.

00:02:36.000 Let's get this thing started officially.

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00:02:50.000 Our guest today, for folks who are tuning into this, ironically, on serious satellite radio, they don't hear the commercial part of it, Dr. Stephen Greer.

00:03:00.000 If you don't know who Dr. Greer is, there's a thing that a lot of people are aware of that came out, was it 2011, the Disclosure Project?

00:03:08.000 2001.

00:03:09.000 2001, did I say 11?

00:03:11.000 I meant right around September 11th.

00:03:11.000 I meant one.

00:03:13.000 That's where the 11 came from, my head.

00:03:15.000 2001, it was huge in the internet, a huge point of controversy and a topic of conversation.

00:03:25.000 It was you on stage introducing this disclosure project, explaining how much information you had access to about alien spacecrafts visiting Earth and how many distinguished high-ranking military people.

00:03:42.000 And that was where it got shocking.

00:03:44.000 Agreed with you.

00:03:45.000 That was where it got shocking because that was the first time we'd ever seen like high-ranking military officers one after another testify that they had personal encounters with things that are not of this world.

00:03:58.000 People who would know the difference between black ops technology, the current military defense projects that might be secret, and people that would know also who to talk to about these things if they did think it was a black ops.

00:04:14.000 But they knew.

00:04:16.000 And it was, in my opinion, that video is probably one of the most important videos ever when it comes to extraterrestrial life or the idea of extraterrestrial life visiting Earth.

00:04:27.000 Because the conversations that I've ever had, that I've always had with rational people, especially rational people who are not obsessed by aliens like I've been my whole life, but rational people who just, you know, oh, I don't know.

00:04:41.000 I don't know if it's real or not.

00:04:42.000 But, you know, where's the evidence?

00:04:45.000 I'm sure there's alien life out there.

00:04:47.000 Has it visited us?

00:04:48.000 Oh, I don't, probably not, right?

00:04:51.000 When you see that video and you see those high-ranking military guys, one after another, give these very, not just believable, but they're kind of, they're spooky.

00:05:03.000 These are spooky stories because the way they're talking about them, you could see in their face the emotions as they're recounting just the sheer, to use a word, alienness of their experience.

00:05:15.000 We had never really seen anything like that before.

00:05:17.000 It had always been, well, I guess they probably could be out there, but who knows?

00:05:23.000 When I watched that video, it was a real shift because it was one of the first things that I ever saw that made me really stop and think.

00:05:34.000 There's a part of everybody that doesn't want to get duped.

00:05:37.000 When it comes to a subject, especially an important subject like UFOs, there's a part of everybody that goes, you want to call bullshit right away because you don't want to be the last guy to call bullshit.

00:05:47.000 You don't want to be the guy who believes, believes, believes, and it turns into bullshit.

00:05:51.000 Oh, you dummy.

00:05:52.000 You were the first guy believing it, man.

00:05:52.000 You believed it.

00:05:54.000 You want to be the first guy to call bullshit.

00:05:56.000 It's always a way cooler position.

00:05:58.000 And if there was alien life, if there was alien life that had visited the Earth, excuse me, what evidence would they leave behind?

00:06:09.000 What would you know in your day-to-day existence?

00:06:12.000 How much of it would you know?

00:06:14.000 Almost nothing.

00:06:16.000 Yeah, particularly when it's getting hoovered up by a very well-organized and well-funded intelligence program.

00:06:23.000 Including the Project Blue Book, which was run by Dr. J. Allen Hynek, right?

00:06:29.000 Well, that was a cover story.

00:06:30.000 The Project Blue Book was really a little office where they were putting things in there and making it sound like they were really investigating.

00:06:37.000 Meanwhile, there was an unacknowledged project, what we call a black project, but the proper name is an unacknowledged special access project, or USAP.

00:06:45.000 And the USAPs running this have been around since the 40s, very well funded, working on these issues, working on the technology, studying how these things are going from one star system to another.

00:06:56.000 And that's the sort of thing that we've been drilling down on for about 22 years.

00:07:00.000 So the Project Blue book that was run by Dr. Hynek, is that was his name?

00:07:05.000 Yeah, Dr. J. Allen Hynek, right.

00:07:07.000 He was an Air Force guy, astronomer that the Air Force engaged to do that.

00:07:11.000 Later, he came out and admitted that that was all just sort of a dog and pony show.

00:07:16.000 And he also became a huge UFO believer, which is really fascinating because most of the stories that they investigated in Project Blue Book, he sort of debunked.

00:07:25.000 In fact, instead of being open about the possibilities, they always steered towards debunking first.

00:07:25.000 Correct.

00:07:32.000 Right.

00:07:32.000 And actually, the big problem became when he put his foot in his mouth when in Gerald Ford's home district in Michigan, there were dozens of people who saw an extraterrestrial vehicle that was maneuvering at close range, and he went up and investigated it and made some reference to it being swamp gas.

00:07:53.000 And Gerald Ford went ballistic because his constituents went ballistic, and Gerald Ford actually had an inquiry into it while he was a member of the House of Representatives.

00:08:02.000 Of course, later as president, he never dealt with this issue because basically presidential intelligence doesn't have access to those projects.

00:08:10.000 When you say that he said it was swamp gas, that J. Allen Hynek said it was swamp gas, so you're saying that Ford objected because he knew it was an extraterrestrial vehicle?

00:08:19.000 He knew that some of his constituents who were very credible knew it was something real.

00:08:24.000 What was his position then?

00:08:25.000 What was he?

00:08:27.000 He was actually believed it was real.

00:08:29.000 No, no, I mean in government.

00:08:31.000 Pre-President?

00:08:32.000 Yeah, he was in the House of Representatives, in the Congress.

00:08:36.000 He was a Congressman before he was vice president and then president.

00:08:39.000 And so he was upset that they were saying that it wasn't a real vehicle.

00:08:42.000 So he clamped down on it.

00:08:44.000 Yeah, and actually held a hearing where a lot of people came and gave evidence and information, but it didn't go anywhere because it's Washington.

00:08:51.000 Nothing ever goes anywhere in Washington.

00:08:53.000 And so, you know, I started as founder of disclosureproject.org and now seriousdisclosure.com.

00:09:02.000 We began investigating this in 1990.

00:09:05.000 And, you know, I'm a trauma doctor, emergency doctor, who was running a very busy ER and raising four kids.

00:09:11.000 And I got involved with this because I knew about it since childhood.

00:09:15.000 And, you know, I have family.

00:09:18.000 My mom's brother, uncle, was an engineer that worked on the lunar module.

00:09:22.000 And I had an interest in this since I was a little child.

00:09:25.000 So the thing that put Neil Armstrong on the moon, my family had a hand in that.

00:09:29.000 So I think that what most people don't realize is that inside the intelligence community, the aerospace community, there are a lot of people who are very knowledgeable about this, but they're not allowed to talk about it.

00:09:41.000 It's a career ender for most of them.

00:09:43.000 And that was what we did for Disclosure Project, was to put all those folks together, identify them.

00:09:49.000 So I spent about 10 years identifying who these people were.

00:09:51.000 And first I had maybe half a dozen of them.

00:09:54.000 Now we have over 500, about 550.

00:09:56.000 Who are the most credible people?

00:09:58.000 Just so folks listening to this that haven't watched that video, who are the most credible people?

00:10:02.000 Well, we're going to have some of them in the film, Sirius.

00:10:04.000 You know, like S-I-R-I-U-S.

00:10:08.000 Sirius is going to have a lot of this information in it and some stuff that's going to blow your mind, including the possibility of an actual body, a humanoid body that we're investigating.

00:10:21.000 And we'll get into this in a moment.

00:10:22.000 And when you see it, you're going to go, really?

00:10:25.000 My God.

00:10:26.000 But these witnesses that we have who are military go from the head of investigations for the FAA, John Callahan, to people like Gordon Cooper, who was one of the early Mercury astronauts who his crew actually filmed one of these extraterrestrial vehicles landing on a dry lake bed out here near Edwards.

00:10:45.000 And he looked at the film and sent it on a Pentagon plane.

00:10:48.000 Now the backstory to this, now this is giving you an idea of how labyrinthine and screwed up Washington's become, and what Eisenhower said when he said, beware the military-industrial complex because it's going to get out of control and be a threat to our democracy.

00:11:02.000 Gordon Cooper, you know, very heroic early astronaut, had detailed information, what we call actionable intelligence, on that event, this landing of a vehicle in broad daylight near Edwards Air Force Base in 1956.

00:11:17.000 Now, when Clinton was president, Gordon Cooper asked, was asked by the Secretary of Defense, William Cohen, about this issue.

00:11:27.000 And he says, yes, I absolutely will verify this, and I'll give you the information of when and where and how it happened.

00:11:32.000 So the Secretary of Defense of the United States of America had this information, made an inquiry through channels, and came up with a dry hole.

00:11:42.000 Basically, this stuff has all been put into a parallel universe that the senior people in our government have, for the most part, no access to.

00:11:51.000 Now, I would not have believed that if I hadn't been the guy who was brought to Washington during the Clinton years to do the briefing for the CIA director.

00:12:00.000 And I was asked to go up there as a service, and I did it, left my ER, and I put together a whole lot of these early witnesses' testimony, photographs, some really amazing government documents that we acquired, some through channels I don't want to talk about.

00:12:16.000 And I put this briefing together.

00:12:18.000 And so I go up there, and here's the sitting CIA director, R. James Woolsey, and his wife was there, who was at the time the chief operating officer of the National Academy of Sciences.

00:12:30.000 And when I was first invited to go up there and brief the CIA director, I was told they want you to come up here because President Clinton and he have inquired about this subject and are being denied access.

00:12:40.000 Now I have a letter proving this.

00:12:42.000 President Clinton has been denied access, so they want you, a doctor, in And how did they know about you?

00:12:55.000 Well, let me finish this other thread and I'll get to that because that'll blow your mind even more.

00:13:01.000 But what happened is that I really thought this was crap.

00:13:06.000 I mean, because his handler, the CIA director's handler, who contacted me, said, Look, they need you to come up here because they can't find out anything, but they know stuff's going on.

00:13:18.000 Well, I thought they just wanted to pick my brain, as sort of spooks.

00:13:20.000 You know how spooks will, spies will try to just get information.

00:13:23.000 I went up there, and the CIA director was honestly completely in the dark.

00:13:28.000 And I was mortified.

00:13:30.000 And towards the end of this almost three-hour briefing that I did for the CIA director, my wife was with me, and I gave him this white paper, this position paper, that a summary of action that the president needed to take and he needed to take.

00:13:43.000 And he, my hands were shaking, because I'm like this 35-year-old guy briefing the sitting CIA director.

00:13:50.000 It was very intimidating, frankly.

00:13:53.000 And at the end of it, I said, you know, we really need you to help disclose this information because the people need to know, but also the technologies that we've studied and have mastered for 50 years could get us off oil.

00:14:06.000 We could fix this environment.

00:14:07.000 We could fix the world's poverty problems and the geopolitical problems in the Middle East. 0.56

00:14:12.000 And he looked at me, he says, how do we disclose that which we have no access to?

00:14:17.000 And I just thought I'd pass out.

00:14:19.000 I said, what do you mean you have no access?

00:14:21.000 And this was from his mouth to my ears.

00:14:23.000 And so I learned the hard way, the very, very hard way, that when you're dealing with things that are, some people say, above top secret, but the proper name is an unacknowledged special access project.

00:14:34.000 And we have about $100 to $200 billion a year in our Treasury going into these rogue operations.

00:14:40.000 And it's criminal.

00:14:42.000 It's outrageous.

00:14:43.000 That, you know, just because you're the CIA director, just because you're Secretary of Defense or on the Senate Intelligence Committee means nothing.

00:14:50.000 And even the President.

00:14:52.000 So the reason those folks invited me to come up there is that the year before, I had taken a team of people out on a beach using some experimental protocols to contact these vehicles and the occupants.

00:15:06.000 And four of these UFOs popped into the sky, just boom, boom, boom, boom.

00:15:11.000 Which we have on videotape.

00:15:12.000 Not great videotape, because we didn't have good cameras back then.

00:15:15.000 And there were a couple Air Force officers and pilots there.

00:15:19.000 And this went up through the chain of command.

00:15:21.000 A few months later, the former head of Army Intelligence invites me to a meeting, and then some National Security Agency people do.

00:15:27.000 and one thing leads to another, and I'm being invited to brief the sitting CIA director.

00:15:31.000 So, how did you come up?

00:15:36.000 Well, this gets into a discussion, you know, that's complex.

00:15:42.000 But yes.

00:15:44.000 You can do that at any time.

00:15:46.000 Well, not at any time.

00:15:47.000 But I think that under the right.

00:15:48.000 But you can do that.

00:15:49.000 There are protocols, and we developed something called the Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind Initiative, which is when you use a set of very, they're very controversial protocols that deal with non-locality, the fact that the universe has various dimensions that you can move through to go from one star system to another.

00:16:09.000 But those dimensions that are at higher resonant fields than, say, linear space-time or electromagnetism also interface with what I call coherent thought.

00:16:21.000 So the Moody Blues were right when they said thinking is the best way to travel.

00:16:27.000 And there's a component to where, you know, I'm probably going to lose half your listeners right now.

00:16:32.000 No, you won't.

00:16:33.000 I've got freaks listening to you.

00:16:34.000 All right, well, okay, all you freaks listen up and listen up hard.

00:16:38.000 You can develop technologies, and we have these in classified projects now, where you can have what's called a switch that will interface with very intent thought.

00:16:49.000 So it's beyond.

00:16:50.000 Forget your iPhone.

00:16:51.000 Now, if you're traveling from one star system to another, that's what you're going to be using.

00:16:55.000 You're going to be using technologies that are phasing at multiples of the speed of light.

00:17:00.000 And those dimensions also intersect at a certain point with coherent thought, just like light is coherent, a laser is coherent light.

00:17:08.000 And so this gets into the whole question of how over the history of humanity have there been so many reports of contact, and there are.

00:17:16.000 I mean, going all the way back to the Vimanas and the Vedas to accounts that, you know, there's a wonderful painting in the Middle Ages of this exactly, it looks like a modern UFO over the shoulder of Mary holding Jesus in a picture.

00:17:32.000 It's from the 1400s.

00:17:34.000 I've actually seen the original of this.

00:17:36.000 So I think the question becomes, you know, we probably have always had extraterrestrial civilizations observing our little planet.

00:17:44.000 The question is, what happened in the last 50 to 100 years that really got their attention?

00:17:49.000 And I'm quite convinced it was when we started detonating thermonuclear weapons.

00:17:54.000 But one of the projects we're involved with is disclosure project.

00:17:58.000 Another one is sort of a citizens' diplomacy effort saying, look, since our government is dead in the water on this in terms of the Secretary of State and folks like that, and I know I went up to the UN and met with back when Butrus Boutrusgali was UN Secretary General and briefed these guys and her, Leagali, the wife of the Secretary General and I talked about this in depth.

00:18:19.000 And she said, they're not going to let us deal with something like this.

00:18:22.000 So I started a citizens' diplomacy effort back in 1990.

00:18:27.000 But this is actually, and this is the part that I get ridiculed the most for, but it's the reason why the intelligence community took it most seriously, is that they knew that we had discovered the Rosetta Stone of Contact.

00:18:39.000 And they were very concerned.

00:18:41.000 Now, concerned from the covert end, from the end of a lot of these Washington operatives, they were just fascinated.

00:18:47.000 They didn't understand it because it was sort of past their scientific understanding.

00:18:52.000 But they were very interested.

00:18:53.000 This is something I hate to interrupt you, but this is something that we can't really just gloss over.

00:18:59.000 The idea that coherent thought, as you say, intersects with these other levels, these other dimensions that we can't normally access.

00:19:10.000 Correct.

00:19:12.000 How did you find out about this?

00:19:14.000 And how did you develop the ability to get it?

00:19:17.000 Well, you're putting me in the hot seat early, man.

00:19:19.000 Well, I need to, I mean, you have to.

00:19:21.000 When you say that you can do that, I mean, somehow or another, you have to, without getting anybody killed, you have to explain.

00:19:29.000 How did you figure that out?

00:19:30.000 I figured it out when I was a teenager and through a series of experiences I had.

00:19:38.000 And you know, I was talking to Thomas Jane, who's an actor here in town about this.

00:19:42.000 And I had a near-death experience when I was 17.

00:19:45.000 I was very sick.

00:19:46.000 And I had an experience that took me into some awareness about the nature of consciousness and the non-locality of mind.

00:19:54.000 And the fact that the mind is actually a singularity, but that there's really only one mind.

00:19:59.000 And it's just shining through various individuals, appearing as many.

00:20:04.000 And this experience, although it sounds very spiritual and religious, was very palpable.

00:20:09.000 And I was raised a very devout atheist, so we didn't believe in anything.

00:20:13.000 And so when I realized that this was real, I began to study meditation.

00:20:19.000 And through that, began to have some experiences where I realized this could happen.

00:20:23.000 And I had a contact experience.

00:20:25.000 I was 18.

00:20:26.000 It was a few months later in the fall of 1973.

00:20:30.000 And I was doing this.

00:20:31.000 I was meditating, and then I was doing what is now called SRV, scientific remote viewing, where you use consciousness to see remote places.

00:20:39.000 And of course, Army intelligence and the CIA have experimented with this for years, which you may or may not know about.

00:20:46.000 We can get into that.

00:20:47.000 But I knew all those guys.

00:20:49.000 I knew all the SRV people.

00:20:51.000 But I was a kid, you know, and I just turned 18.

00:20:54.000 I was doing this.

00:20:55.000 And suddenly I had this experience where I thought, well, what if I try to go into that state of one mind that I experienced when I was a kid six months earlier when I had this near-death experience?

00:21:07.000 So I did.

00:21:08.000 And then I had an experience where I remote viewed and saw deep space.

00:21:12.000 And I could see that there was an ET spacecraft out there.

00:21:17.000 And I made contact.

00:21:18.000 And it appeared.

00:21:20.000 And it literally materialized right near the mountain where I was.

00:21:24.000 How old were you when you did this?

00:21:26.000 18.

00:21:27.000 No drugs?

00:21:27.000 No.

00:21:28.000 No, I've never done any drugs actually.

00:21:29.000 You've never done any drugs?

00:21:30.000 No.

00:21:30.000 No psychedelics, nothing?

00:21:31.000 Never.

00:21:32.000 Wow.

00:21:33.000 Are you aware of dimethyltryptamine?

00:21:35.000 Do you know what that is?

00:21:36.000 Yeah, I do.

00:21:37.000 You know, it's supposedly your brain produces it when you're in periods of extreme stress or near-death experiences.

00:21:44.000 And it's also the same chemical that's in ayahuasca, which has been used by indigenous tribes to this was a very natural sort of thing that happened.

00:21:55.000 But what I'm saying is that these people that are having these experiences, a lot of people that are having alien contact experiences, they are all having them in the middle of the night.

00:22:05.000 Like most of them are having them at night.

00:22:07.000 And I'm not discounting this in any way.

00:22:09.000 In fact, I'm maybe possibly enhancing the possibility of people understanding this or the vehicle.

00:22:17.000 The mind produces this dimethyl tryptamine during REM sleep.

00:22:22.000 And it's believed.

00:22:23.000 It's still a very sketchy thing.

00:22:25.000 We know that the body produces it.

00:22:27.000 They believe the pineal gland, which is literally your third eye, and reptiles.

00:22:31.000 it as a retina and a cornea and a lens.

00:22:32.000 They believe that's what...

00:22:40.000 But they know the body has it.

00:22:41.000 They know it's produced by the liver and the lungs for sure.

00:22:44.000 And this chemical, when you get it and you give it to people that have had UFO abduction experiences, it gives them the exact same experience.

00:22:52.000 It brings them into contact with other beings.

00:22:55.000 The idea that this is just a hallucination because your body has some endogenous chemical in it and it spikes and stimulates the visual cortex and what have you, and you have this, that is what everyone has always assumed whenever you talk about anything hallucinatory or psychedelic.

00:23:15.000 But what they're not, what a lot of people haven't taken into consideration is that you're basically a conglomeration of chemicals.

00:23:24.000 You're neurotransmitters, dopamine, serotonin.

00:23:27.000 There's a million different chemicals which as their levels vary up and down, it drastically changes your reality.

00:23:36.000 Your happiness level, your appreciation, love, oxytocin, all these things proven 100% change your reality.

00:23:44.000 You change the physical meat vehicle reality that you have.

00:23:48.000 And I think for whatever reason, when we think of something in the mind, when we think of the mind, like you're saying that coherent thought can contact other entities from other places, people are like, what the fuck are you talking about?

00:24:00.000 You know, that's like the initial immediate reaction.

00:24:03.000 Right, because we've all been miseducated about the nature of reality.

00:24:07.000 Well, of consciousness and consciousness.

00:24:09.000 I've always tried to get people to try to understand how bizarre just imagination is.

00:24:14.000 And I don't mean imagination by you're imagining things that aren't there, that's not real, you're playing a game with your mind.

00:24:20.000 What I mean by imagination is everything, including the language that we're speaking with right now, the vehicle in which this language is getting delivered through the internet, all of this came from the imagination.

00:24:34.000 Everything.

00:24:35.000 This table came from the imagination.

00:24:37.000 The arm that holds this microphone, someone thought this shit up, and then all of a sudden it manifested itself in a physical form when they actively created it.

00:24:45.000 That seems so normal to us.

00:24:47.000 It seems so normal.

00:24:48.000 But we're the only fucking animal in the world we know that can do this.

00:24:52.000 Well, and it goes beyond that, because you know, Dr. John at Princeton University had the Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research Lab, and I knew Dr. John, and they had proven that you could set up a random number generator machine and put your thought towards it and begin to move whether it's spitting out zeros or ones.

00:25:09.000 And that there is, in fact, been proven scientifically that the mind is actually operating non-locally, meaning that it's not limited to space and time in a linear way.

00:25:22.000 And these studies that have been done by Dean Raden and Dr. John and many other scientists with very good credentials, I mean, Dr. John was an engineer in Princeton.

00:25:34.000 What they found is that, in fact, the mind itself is what Irvin Schrodinger said.

00:25:39.000 And Irvin Schrodinger, of course, was the father of particle wave theory and quantum mechanics.

00:25:44.000 And I think it was in 1910 or so he said the total number of minds in the universe is one.

00:25:49.000 That is, it's a singularity.

00:25:51.000 And so that understanding is, I mean, I know it sounds sort of out there.

00:25:58.000 But no, I mean, it actually sounds very Vedic in the sense of Buddhist or Vedanta.

00:25:58.000 Hippie.

00:26:06.000 It's hippie to the reality.

00:26:07.000 Well, yeah, I mean, I guess to maybe Sarah Palin.

00:26:10.000 But did I say that?

00:26:12.000 I'm sorry, I apologize.

00:26:13.000 But the reality is the world isn't flat, and there's a whole area of physics and science that has been drilled down on for years that establish all these things as true.

00:26:25.000 It isn't talked about because the high priests of religion and the high priests of science are all opposed to this information coming out.

00:26:34.000 And so part of the secrecy around this whole UFO issue isn't just the physical energy and propulsion systems.

00:26:40.000 It's the paradigm.

00:26:41.000 Because if you ask the question, in fact, going back to this dinner with the CIA director and his wife, very smart lady, and she turns, you know, we're sitting across the table having dinner.

00:26:53.000 I mean, that was the cover story, it was a dinner.

00:26:56.000 And she says, how are they communicating across the vastness of space?

00:27:02.000 And of course, I had to, you know, I didn't know whether to tell her something that sounded scientific, so I maintained my credibility or to tell her the truth and risk losing all my credibility.

00:27:14.000 But I decided then, in the early days of this project, that if someone's smart enough to ask the question, I'm going to answer it honestly, even though it's going to blow their mind.

00:27:24.000 And so I looked at her, and her husband, the CI director sitting next to her, didn't really understand where she was going.

00:27:30.000 I said, look, take our Milky Way.

00:27:33.000 It's 100,000 light years across.

00:27:35.000 All right.

00:27:36.000 So that 100,000 light years is a distance.

00:27:38.000 That's how far you would go at 186,000 miles a second for 100,000 years going at that speed.

00:27:48.000 That's just our own galaxy.

00:27:50.000 Now, you take 1% of that, say 1,000 light years, at the speed of your cell phone or radio wave or TV wave, or this system we're using right here.

00:28:00.000 For someone from a star system 1% of the way through our galaxy, for them to say, hello, how are you?

00:28:06.000 And for a spacecraft that's at another star system 1,000 light years away, say here, Earth, to say, fine, how are you doing?

00:28:12.000 That just took how long?

00:28:13.000 4,000 years.

00:28:14.000 2,000 years.

00:28:15.000 1,000 one way and 1,000 another.

00:28:17.000 So the time since the birth of Christ.

00:28:19.000 So the speed of light is too damn slow.

00:28:21.000 And so when you begin to go through what I call the crossing point of light, it's like the sound barrier was a big deal.

00:28:29.000 The biggest deal is the light barrier.

00:28:32.000 And when you go past the light barrier, you're going to cross into these kind of multiphasic resonant dimensions, part of which hook into the singularity of mind and thought.

00:28:42.000 And actually this film that we're working on, which is the largest crowdfunded documentary in history, to my knowledge, serious, and you can find out about it at seriousdisclosure.com.

00:28:52.000 It's been crowdfunded by the public.

00:28:53.000 It's all been funded by people out there, thousands of people.

00:28:57.000 We're going to do a, oh, we're going to do a premiere here in L.A. on April 22nd if you want to come.

00:29:04.000 I would love to.

00:29:04.000 Okay, come.

00:29:05.000 But we can't send things at the speed of light, right?

00:29:07.000 I mean, even that, even saying that.

00:29:09.000 Beyond the speed of light.

00:29:11.000 But they can't do that, right?

00:29:12.000 I mean, you can't send information in the form of light yet, can you?

00:29:17.000 Well, no, but fiber optics and things of this sort.

00:29:20.000 But does that move at the speed of light?

00:29:21.000 Pretty much.

00:29:22.000 Yeah.

00:29:23.000 But what I'm saying is that if you go beyond the speed of light, it's a whole new physics.

00:29:27.000 Of course.

00:29:27.000 Okay, so that's what, if these craft are here, and now we have, I have over 4,000 cases where they've landed and we have evidence.

00:29:35.000 I have 3,500 pilot cases.

00:29:38.000 We have over 500 whistleblowers, top secret military corporate people.

00:29:42.000 And I have 110 of them on digital videotape, although nobody wants to see it, but I have it.

00:29:47.000 So the question is, if they're here, how the hell do they get here?

00:29:50.000 Well, they're not using an Exxon Jet A fuel, and they're not using a solid rocket booster, and they're not using an ion drive or anything linear.

00:29:58.000 So you have to begin to have this question.

00:29:59.000 So when the CI director's wife asked me this, I told her about that they had technologies that interface with thought and consciousness.

00:30:08.000 And that sounded as, may sound as bizarre to people now, but if you took your cell phone and showed Thomas Jefferson your smartphone, they would think it was magic.

00:30:17.000 If you went to Salem, Massachusetts, a couple hundred years ago, you'd be burned at the stake as a witch. 0.90

00:30:21.000 So the point is, is that people have to have some humility about the fact that humans are one half of one step out of the jungle technologically.

00:30:29.000 And we're only 100 or so years into anything resembling real technology.

00:30:33.000 So when we're dealing with civilizations that are 10 to the 6th to 10 to the 7th, 100,000 to a million years ahead of us, we have to have some humility about what that might look like.

00:30:43.000 And so when I explained this to the wife of the CI director, she just looked at me and said, I thought it had to be something like that.

00:30:50.000 I mean, people are ready to actually understand this.

00:30:52.000 Not everyone has to be retarded on this. 0.97

00:30:55.000 And I tell folks that what's a shame in my mind is that our civilization has been exploring these sort of what they call borderland sciences for 100 years.

00:31:06.000 And it's all been kept very secret or debunked or ridiculed.

00:31:09.000 And it's actually holding us back, not only socially and spiritually, but environmentally and in every other way.

00:31:16.000 Because this nexus of where you have these advanced transdimensional physics come together, that's how you're propelling through one point in space to another across galaxies.

00:31:26.000 It's also how we're going to be able to run this planet's energy grid without a grid, where every home, business, and car can pull energy out of the fabric of space-time through this kind of physics.

00:31:37.000 And so there's this nexus where electromagnetism and transdimensional physics comes together, and then you cross it a little deeper, and that's where you get into the science of consciousness.

00:31:47.000 And this becomes a very, very complex issue for most people because it's new to them.

00:31:53.000 But once you understand the fundamental science behind it, it's really very simple.

00:31:57.000 What we need to understand is that no one 200 years ago even thought of a camera.

00:32:04.000 Right.

00:32:05.000 200 years ago, when you want to picture something, you had to draw it.

00:32:08.000 And there was, you know, the idea of a camera was so, the idea of a movie, the idea of sending a video on your phone to your friend, you could take a video of you here right now and send it to a friend, and they would get it almost instantly.

00:32:22.000 That's just a tiny blip in human history, a 200-year blip in human history from riding horses to sending video through the internet.

00:32:30.000 100 years, yeah.

00:32:32.000 And the people that existed back then would have never seen it coming.

00:32:36.000 And if technology, and we know it does, accelerates exponentially, what we're dealing with a thousand years from now, 10,000 years from now, is completely unrecognizable.

00:32:45.000 We live in an area where our solar system is kind of scary.

00:32:49.000 There's a lot of rocks out there, and they fly around, and occasionally they slam into shit, and they can ruin civilization for a little bit.

00:32:56.000 But there might be solar systems out there where that doesn't take place. 0.74

00:32:59.000 There could be a civilization that developed two, three billion years ago.

00:33:04.000 I mean, we really don't know.

00:33:05.000 We have no idea.

00:33:06.000 Well, the Earth has had life for 700 million years, and all scientists recognize that, except people who think that the world was made 6,000 years ago.

00:33:14.000 And I have nothing to say to those folks except to say get over it.

00:33:18.000 But I know I'm not going to be able to do it.

00:33:20.000 I'm an outrageous person.

00:33:21.000 You are a little outrageous.

00:33:23.000 A little bit outrageous.

00:33:24.000 You haven't heard anything yet.

00:33:25.000 Stay tuned.

00:33:26.000 I'm ready.

00:33:26.000 I'm strapped in.

00:33:29.000 But if you really look at our technological development, you know, my grandmother was born in post-Reconstruction South in the late 1800s.

00:33:38.000 Her son worked on the lunar module, put the first man on the moon.

00:33:42.000 But by the time we landed on the moon in 1969, we were 15 years into having classified anti-gravity propulsion devices.

00:33:50.000 The biggest mindfuck that I always try to drop on people with time is between the invention of the airplane, it was less than 50 years that someone used that airplane to drop a nuclear weapon.

00:34:00.000 Right.

00:34:01.000 And see, this gets into the whole question.

00:34:04.000 I've had a lot of people ask me.

00:34:06.000 If you go to our site, seriousdisclosure.com, there's a section that has all these top-secret military guys on it.

00:34:13.000 And part of it is that there's a whole grouping of them, I have a dozen of them or so, who are at strategic air command facilities and nuclear weapon storage areas and processing areas and all this stuff.

00:34:24.000 Every one of them were overflown by ET spacecraft back in the 40s, 50s, 60s because they were very concerned about what we were doing.

00:34:32.000 Because we were going from having these technologies to weaponizing them.

00:34:38.000 And our technological development had gotten ahead of our social and spiritual development.

00:34:44.000 Way ahead.

00:34:44.000 And this is an existential threat.

00:34:46.000 But as an emergency doctor, I used to have crazy people come into the ER and I'd have to commit them.

00:34:52.000 And it's dangerous to yourself or others.

00:34:55.000 And what I found is that if you take a step back and look at humanity through the eyes of extraterrestrial civilizations, we become dangerous to ourselves, but we're also dangerous to others.

00:35:06.000 And moreover, we become an existential threat to the biosphere of the Earth, where we're killing the oceans, the atmosphere, and everything else.

00:35:13.000 All this is unnecessary.

00:35:14.000 So the question is, the misanthropic sociopaths that are running the planet into the ground are going to have to be stood down by the people getting behind disclosure, getting behind the technologies, and basically saying, we're fed up and we're not going to put up with this anymore.

00:35:30.000 It's like the movie network.

00:35:32.000 And we're mad as hell.

00:35:33.000 And I think people, and it isn't about doing anything violent.

00:35:36.000 It's about saying, we need to just move forward because Washington isn't going to do it.

00:35:40.000 My uncle's company, Northrop Grumman, isn't.

00:35:42.000 Lockheed Martin isn't going to do it.

00:35:44.000 It's you and me and the other people out there who get the situation we're in and want to fix it.

00:35:49.000 One of the things that might have also got their attention was Operation Starfish Prime.

00:35:53.000 Are you aware of that from 1962 where they launched a nuclear bomb into space?

00:35:58.000 They blew up a nuclear bomb in space.

00:36:00.000 Well, actually, one of our witnesses, Colonel Diedrikson, was with the Atomic Energy Commission, which became the DOE.

00:36:08.000 And he was an Air Force colonel.

00:36:10.000 And his responsibility was over all the nuclear facilities.

00:36:13.000 But he knew of a program where we were going to lob a thermonuclear weapon and detonate it on the moon.

00:36:19.000 And when that, okay, and they actually worked on this, and when it went exo-atmospheric, when it left our atmosphere, and it was intercepted by an extraterrestrial vehicle and basically dematerialized, was taken out.

00:36:31.000 And he had personal knowledge of this.

00:36:33.000 So they had actually tried to do this.

00:36:36.000 They actually launched it, and it was on its way to the moon.

00:36:38.000 So, you know, there have been a lot of really crazy, it's like Dr. Strange Love on Steroids with some of these guys.

00:36:46.000 And, you know, I still work with a lot of folks who are with the agency and aerospace industry.

00:36:51.000 And there's a term at the Naval Research Labs and CIA for this whole area of science.

00:36:57.000 And it's called WSFM.

00:36:59.000 It stands for, it's not a radio station, by the way.

00:37:01.000 It stands for weird science and frickin' magic.

00:37:04.000 And that's what they call it.

00:37:06.000 You're a grown man.

00:37:06.000 You should never use the word frickin'.

00:37:08.000 Yeah.

00:37:08.000 I don't.

00:37:09.000 This is what they call it.

00:37:10.000 They need to be stopped.

00:37:11.000 If they have that access to technology and they're using the word frickin', you can't be trusting them.

00:37:15.000 Oh, you can't.

00:37:16.000 They're held back.

00:37:17.000 Actually, I'll tell you, a lot of them are really good people who want to see the secrecy end.

00:37:22.000 But there's not much they can do.

00:37:23.000 As an individual, when you're in a compartmentalized sort of a system like this.

00:37:26.000 Well, I got a lot of them come forward.

00:37:28.000 Almost all of our top secret guys had signed security oaths.

00:37:31.000 But here's something I want everyone to listen carefully.

00:37:34.000 Daniel Sheehan, who is a constitutional attorney, who did Pentagon Papers and Silkwood case and all this, and I ran this by him.

00:37:44.000 I said, look, I've done briefings for, here's a short list, the Director of Central Intelligence, the head of the Defense Intelligence Agency, members of the Senate Intelligence Committee, senior people who are on the House, various House committees, Government Oversight Committee, presidential staff, the head of intelligence for the Joint Chiefs of Staff, what's called J2, personally.

00:38:10.000 I took Astronomer Edgar Mitchell to one of those briefings for the Admiral, Admiral Tom Wilson.

00:38:16.000 And every one of these people had been inquiring about this issue and had been denied access.

00:38:23.000 One of them, who I will not name, I learned for my briefing with him, I had given a document that's going to be in this film, Sirius.

00:38:33.000 And the document is on the front of the thing, the briefing I put together for President Obama.

00:38:38.000 And if you go down the list on the document- Yeah.

00:38:43.000 Did he ask you to?

00:38:45.000 Someone senior involved with his team did.

00:38:48.000 And so.

00:38:49.000 Jesus Christ.

00:38:51.000 How weird must that be to be the president and then to get in there and go, okay, what the fuck is going on with the president?

00:38:56.000 Yeah, the emperor has no clothes.

00:38:58.000 Hey, call that doctor. 0.99

00:39:00.000 What's that guy's name?

00:39:01.000 Virginia?

00:39:02.000 Go get that guy. 1.00

00:39:02.000 Dr. Greer? 1.00

00:39:03.000 Yeah.

00:39:04.000 no, but what happened is that when this admiral looked at this document, and it's going to blow people's mind when they see this, it's a National Reconnaissance Office document.

00:39:16.000 NRO does all the top-secret spy satellites.

00:39:19.000 And over their headquarters, it says, we own the night.

00:39:22.000 And the, oh yeah, that's their motto.

00:39:26.000 We own the night.

00:39:26.000 It is pretty.

00:39:28.000 Yeah, it's pretty spooky, yeah.

00:39:29.000 But so, you know, these are the kind of dudes I work with all the time.

00:39:33.000 What happened is that one of these compartments, it has a whole distribution list, Cosmic Ops, Magic Ops, da da da da da da da.

00:39:42.000 You know, all kinds of, it's about 20 of them.

00:39:46.000 And this is a document that was not declassified, that was given to me by a source that I won't talk about.

00:39:53.000 And this admiral recognized one of those compartments, so he contacted them.

00:39:58.000 And on the other end of the phone, he said, look, I'm so-and-so.

00:40:02.000 And they said, yes, sir, we know who you are.

00:40:05.000 And he says, well, I want to be read into, which is military speak for briefed, on this project.

00:40:10.000 And they said, sir, we cannot discuss this project with you.

00:40:13.000 You don't have a need to know.

00:40:14.000 He says, what do you mean?

00:40:15.000 I'm the head of intelligence for the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

00:40:18.000 How can I not have a need to know?

00:40:20.000 And they said, sir, we will not discuss this with you.

00:40:22.000 Clip blocked him.

00:40:24.000 So who the fuck knows?

00:40:25.000 Who's, like, how many people are there?

00:40:28.000 Have you determined that?

00:40:29.000 Yeah, I have.

00:40:30.000 I know some of the members of the, there's a committee, and it's transnational.

00:40:37.000 It started out much smaller and less opaque back in the 40s when Truman was around.

00:40:42.000 Does it have a name?

00:40:43.000 It did have the name Majestic, and that is not a myth.

00:40:48.000 It was Majestic 12, right?

00:40:49.000 Is that what it was?

00:40:50.000 Yes, but the document as of the 90s that I got, it still had magic M-A-J-I-C on it.

00:40:57.000 And so a lot of these programs, you know, they've gone through multiple generations of evolution.

00:41:03.000 And now, I understand, it's a committee of 200 or 300 folks who are corporate, very deep, kind of shadow government operations.

00:41:13.000 The mistake the public makes is that they think that just because you're the president or the CIA director or a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, you're going to have access to those.

00:41:20.000 And that's because they do not understand what Rumsfeld said is true on the day before 9-11.

00:41:26.000 And this is going to be in the film, where he said there's $2.3 trillion basically missing that we can't account for out of the Department of Defense budget over the last few years.

00:41:36.000 $2.3 trillion, not billion.

00:41:38.000 Now, we found out, and I discovered this in the early 90s, that there's somewhere between $100 and $200 billion a year basically just being stolen going into these illegal projects.

00:41:49.000 And so when Sheehan and I looked at this, this attorney, I said, look, if all these people who have a need to know in the constitutional chain of command are being lied to, deceived, and what have you, I'm going to declare all those projects rogue, a priori, illegal.

00:42:05.000 Therefore, anyone who signed a security oath for them, I'm going to unilaterally announce that they're released from them.

00:42:11.000 So all of you listening, if you've been in any of these projects with Lockheed, Northrop, SAIC, the CIA, you do not have to go by the secrecy.

00:42:21.000 Because if they are denying access to the people who are in the constitutional chain of command, which I can prove they have in a court of law, those projects are rogue.

00:42:30.000 And therefore, those security oaths have no enforceability.

00:42:33.000 Now, whether or not you have the courage to come forward is another question.

00:42:37.000 But what I was very glad to be able to do between the early 90s and 2001 with the Disclosure Project is to pull together the people who did have the courage.

00:42:47.000 And they're still coming forward.

00:42:48.000 I mean, we have people contact me all the time who are in these projects, who give us information, intelligence.

00:42:55.000 And it's really a citizen's effort.

00:42:57.000 I mean, I've never been in the government in my entire life, but I think this is what you have an idea, and if the idea picks up steam, and people see the reason for it.

00:43:07.000 But the other thing is to do it in a way where people feel supported.

00:43:11.000 And that's why we did this in a way where there were dozens that came out at once.

00:43:15.000 I mean, I think in the initial batch of people who came forward, it was about 70.

00:43:20.000 One of the things I always want to get into people's heads when they start talking about the government or the people in charge or those in the know, the idea that they're exchanging information has been proven false time and time again.

00:43:36.000 Not only that, what's really blown me away lately is finding out that especially in this supposed patriotic time of war, we have government factions that don't like other government factions.

00:43:48.000 It's always been that way.

00:43:50.000 I was blown away when Petraeus was outed by the FBI.

00:43:54.000 I'd be like, are you fucking crazy?

00:43:57.000 Like, that is nuts.

00:43:59.000 You're talking about the head of the CIA, and the FBI is spying on him over an affair, and you're going to bring down this beloved national hero.

00:44:10.000 Stupid.

00:44:11.000 Unbelievably stupid, but also unbelievably revealing about how partitioned our government truly is and how difficult it would be to get access to some critical information if this information is in any way deemed too sensitive or too controversial or too whatever, too paranigm shifting for average eyes.

00:44:37.000 Well, let's make this very simple.

00:44:39.000 If you acknowledge that the UFOs are there and they're real, and anyone with an IQ over mud is going to ask the question, then how did they get here? 0.83

00:44:50.000 If you ask that question, we have the answers for it.

00:44:54.000 And if the public knows that, then they know we don't need ExxonMobil.

00:44:57.000 We don't need oil, gas, coal, nuclear power, or a centralized utility group.

00:45:01.000 But that's assuming, though, that most people believe that the UFOs are real.

00:45:05.000 Yeah, about 50 to 60 percent do now.

00:45:07.000 I think they say that.

00:45:09.000 I think they say.

00:45:11.000 But I think they most of the time will look for terrestrial explanations, most rational people.

00:45:16.000 Well, no, actually, there was just a poll that came out a month ago, and there's actually 43 percent of the public believe that extraterrestrial life has been on the planet, and it's here now.

00:45:27.000 51 percent believe that the earth is less than 10,000 years old.

00:45:30.000 Did you know that?

00:45:32.000 Yeah, well, well, I don't know if it's that high.

00:45:34.000 I heard it was about a quarter of the population.

00:45:37.000 Gallup poll, I think 2010.

00:45:40.000 2010, they got 51 percent.

00:45:44.000 The Flat Earth Society still has a lot of members, I guess.

00:45:47.000 But here's the bigger issue: is that if you bring this information out and let's say that one of the objectives of what I'm working on now.

00:45:58.000 Let me just clear that up.

00:46:00.000 46% creationist view of human origins, 46%.

00:46:04.000 Well, but of the creationist view, not all those people think the world is 10,000 years old.

00:46:08.000 I think that number is only about 46,000.

00:46:09.000 10,000 years, though.

00:46:10.000 They're saying 10,000 years.

00:46:11.000 This is what in this study, the GAO study, very specifically, 46% of Americans believe the creationist view that God created humans in their present form at a time within the last 10,000 years.

00:46:21.000 Oh, God, you're going to make me move to Norway.

00:46:24.000 Canada is a good choice, dude.

00:46:25.000 Canada's right there, and they're badass.

00:46:28.000 I know, I know.

00:46:29.000 Hey, you know what?

00:46:30.000 But just to throw some salt on your idea that it makes sense.

00:46:34.000 Look, I told you that I'm a huge fan of the UFO experience.

00:46:37.000 I mean, I really want it to be real.

00:46:39.000 But just because 47% or whatever the fuck think, 46% think that the Earth is less than 100%.

00:46:44.000 No, no, you're right.

00:46:46.000 But the evidence speaks for itself.

00:46:47.000 And I told someone once.

00:46:49.000 But what percentage, okay, let's just be honest, or rather, let's open this.

00:46:55.000 What percentage of UFO sightings are real?

00:46:59.000 What percentage are totally made up?

00:47:02.000 And what percentage are a confusion?

00:47:05.000 But that's not the metric we're using.

00:47:07.000 We're going by government-released documents.

00:47:10.000 We're going by people who are insiders who have actually handled extraterrestrial studies.

00:47:14.000 So when you're talking about experiences, you're talking about experiences from people who are 100% credible, bulletproof, eyewitnesses.

00:47:22.000 And only that, but if you have the former Minister of Defense of Canada say that he checked out with a U.S. Air Force general that, in fact, there was an accident that happened in New Mexico in 1947, which people call Roswell.

00:47:36.000 And that what Philip Corso, Colonel Corso, wrote in his book The Day After Roswell was substantially correct.

00:47:44.000 And this is the Honorable Paul Hellier, and he and I did a press conference in Toronto a couple years ago.

00:47:49.000 And he has completely verified this.

00:47:52.000 So the question is, and the same thing happened with Five-Star Admiral Lord Hill Norton.

00:47:56.000 I mean, here he was the Minister of Defense, and he found out after the fact that, in fact, an extraterrestrial vehicle had landed at the Bentwaters Royal Air Force Base at Rendlesham Forest in England.

00:48:08.000 And we have multiple disclosure project witnesses who were there.

00:48:12.000 And it came out recently that the Ministry of Defense in Great Britain released the documents on that where they had physical evidence that this thing actually did land and left physical traces, et cetera, and so on.

00:48:25.000 So I tell people, you know, usually the New York Times say, well, we need two or three corroborating witnesses to something, particularly three if it's a very controversial story.

00:48:35.000 I say, yes, but the Disclosure Project has hundreds of these sort of people, thousands of cases like this.

00:48:40.000 And we're not talking about just people seeing something in the sky.

00:48:42.000 They're not witnesses per event.

00:48:44.000 They don't mean like all of us.

00:48:46.000 Yeah, but we have multiple ones for this landing at Rendells and Ford.

00:48:50.000 We have multiple ones from the Minot, North Dakota.

00:48:53.000 Like how many do you have?

00:48:54.000 Where there will be some of them, you know, four, five, six at one event.

00:48:59.000 Very credible military people.

00:49:01.000 And so why isn't the lame stream news, the mainstream news reporting this if you put together this amount of information?

00:49:12.000 And then the question becomes, how free is our media?

00:49:15.000 And how free is our market?

00:49:16.000 And how free is our country?

00:49:18.000 Because I think there's more corruption than people can imagine.

00:49:21.000 And I'm not a conspiracy theory person.

00:49:25.000 Yes, you are.

00:49:25.000 No, I'm not.

00:49:26.000 No.

00:49:26.000 How dare you?

00:49:27.000 But just be honest.

00:49:27.000 How dare you?

00:49:27.000 I'm not.

00:49:28.000 I just don't want to hear it.

00:49:29.000 Well, Cabe, okay, you're conspiring then.

00:49:32.000 You're not feeling about UFO conspiracy theory.

00:49:34.000 Well, it's like the mafia conspiracy of a criminal enterprise, yes, but it's not a theory.

00:49:38.000 It's a fact.

00:49:40.000 There's a big difference between.

00:49:43.000 Obviously, you're talking about a UFO conspiracy, an energy conspiracy.

00:49:46.000 You're talking about suppressing information.

00:49:49.000 People conspire in their own interests.

00:49:53.000 I know you don't like conspiracy theorists, but okay.

00:49:56.000 I think the term is used.

00:49:58.000 I think it's misused.

00:50:00.000 I think it's misused.

00:50:01.000 And I think that, you know, just a loaded thing.

00:50:04.000 And it's like when Larry King asked me, do you believe?

00:50:07.000 I said, well, you know, I believe in a lot of things that you can't see and prove.

00:50:10.000 But if I have 4,000 cases where these things have landed, if I have hundreds of photographs and videotapes, if I have dozens of top-secret guys who can corroborate this, why is that a belief?

00:50:20.000 I mean, you believe in God and some other things.

00:50:23.000 But, I mean, this is not a matter of belief.

00:50:25.000 Most people believe, and I'll quote Neil deGrasse Tyson, who says that eyewitness testimony is the least reliable of all pieces of evidence.

00:50:33.000 That's right.

00:50:34.000 But what physical evidence do you have that goes along with eyewitness testimony that you believe is the most compelling Well, I think the most compelling that I've ever seen is something we're working on right now.

00:50:52.000 And it remains to be seen if it's going to be what we think it is, and we're going to know fairly soon.

00:50:58.000 And I don't want to get ahead of myself.

00:51:00.000 But I was introduced to an institute that acquired a small humanoid being about six inches in length.

00:51:12.000 This is in the trailer for Sirius.

00:51:13.000 I've seen this, this little skeleton that's x-rayed and CAT scanned.

00:51:18.000 And we're now doing the genetic workup at the top university in the world that's doing this.

00:51:23.000 Pull that up, Brian, because it's very freaky.

00:51:25.000 People on Ustream and Vimeo can see this.

00:51:28.000 You know what?

00:51:29.000 Let's just play the entire trailer for you and get people excited about this movie.

00:51:33.000 Now, who found this alien being and where did they acquire this thing?

00:51:39.000 It was, I'm not at liberty.

00:51:41.000 I'm still waiting to see if this person was, but it's an alien.

00:51:44.000 Because it might be horse shit, right?

00:51:45.000 It's a possibility.

00:51:46.000 Do you know that you know?

00:51:48.000 No, I know.

00:51:49.000 All I'm saying is that it is an organic being.

00:51:53.000 It is an organic being.

00:51:54.000 It is.

00:51:55.000 The CAT scan shows lungs on the inside.

00:51:57.000 It has 10 ribs and not 12.

00:52:00.000 We have now proven from bone density that it's at least several years old and it's only six inches long.

00:52:08.000 So the team.

00:52:10.000 How do you prove that from bone density?

00:52:13.000 You look at the epiphyseal plates and how much calcium.

00:52:15.000 In other words, isn't it?

00:52:17.000 Why you're dealing with a completely alien species?

00:52:19.000 No, no, no.

00:52:20.000 I'm saying if you were to go back, if you're going to assume that it's not ET, then you look at it, what would this be if it were human?

00:52:26.000 I see what you're saying.

00:52:27.000 Okay, so you have to go through an algorithm of an, and it's a diagnosis of exclusion, we could say in medicine.

00:52:32.000 Because if it's not a miscarried or aborted fetus, which is the size of what this would be about 22 weeks, if it's not any known primate, it's not a fossil because it has organic material and DNA material.

00:52:45.000 We've already extracted.

00:52:47.000 We clipped one of the ribs, two of the ribs, and have gotten the DNA material out of the rib internal marrow.

00:52:54.000 And so this is being processed right now as we speak literally.

00:52:57.000 So if it was a human, it would be several years old.

00:52:59.000 So that proves that it's not a human.

00:53:03.000 There is no form of dwarfism or any other genetic anomaly known in the literature, according to the world's expert in this area, that would explain something of this age and also that has these abnormalities.

00:53:19.000 If you look at the skull, if you look at the fact that it has 10 ribs, there are no genetic syndromes where you have 10 ribs.

00:53:26.000 Have you seen this thing in person?

00:53:27.000 I was the third person to hold it and handle it.

00:53:30.000 And I did the, I don't say autopsy on it, but I did the tests on it.

00:53:35.000 How long had it been dead for?

00:53:36.000 We have no idea.

00:53:37.000 No idea.

00:53:38.000 We didn't get enough material from.

00:53:40.000 We didn't want to damage this little thing too much.

00:53:42.000 So the carbon dating on it will be the next step.

00:53:46.000 We wanted to be sure we had enough genetic material.

00:53:49.000 And if we had to go back, we didn't want to destroy.

00:53:54.000 Anyway, so we're working a scientific algorithm on this.

00:53:56.000 This is actually the people, the public, who are supporting the film Sirius are the reason why we were able to do all these studies.

00:54:03.000 How is this thing preserved?

00:54:05.000 You know, it was found in a very, very dry desert area.

00:54:10.000 And it's just very desiccated.

00:54:12.000 It's very dried out.

00:54:14.000 And it was not in any sort of preservative.

00:54:18.000 And now it died a traumatic death.

00:54:20.000 We know behind the right mastoid air cell behind your ear here.

00:54:24.000 The skull is crashed in.

00:54:26.000 And it's a little asymmetric on the jaw and the right humerus is fractured through and through.

00:54:34.000 And it happened at mortem or shortly post-mortem.

00:54:38.000 We think it was the fatal blow to this particular being.

00:54:41.000 Now what is this being?

00:54:43.000 When you look at it, almost every scientist that has seen it goes, looks like an ET.

00:54:49.000 But we don't know.

00:54:50.000 All I'm going to say is that we're not going to be able to say, because even the genetics, there's no database to compare it to.

00:54:56.000 Now we have the whole human genome to compare it to, which is what we're doing right now.

00:55:00.000 And we have all the literature that the world's expert in skeletal abnormalities, I mean the expert in the world, looked at this thing.

00:55:09.000 He said, this is nothing that I know of and that has ever been seen on this planet.

00:55:15.000 And so the question then becomes, what is it?

00:55:18.000 Now, it turns out it was found in an area of the Atacama Desert in Chile that Native peoples have reports of these objects, luminous objects, going in and out of the foothills of the Andes.

00:55:31.000 Famous, famous for exciting.

00:55:33.000 Yes, very famous.

00:55:34.000 And also in these remote native villages, there are reports of these very small beings, upright humanoid-type beings.

00:55:43.000 Isn't that also the area where they constructed the VLT telescopic array, the very large telescope, I believe?

00:55:50.000 I think there are, yeah, because it's a very dark area, and there had been a lot of astronomy.

00:55:54.000 And we also know one of our witnesses who was manning a facility on the Peruvian-Bolivian border that's not too far from this area, was there in the early 90s when we were using a SDI Star Wars system to track ET craft and hit them with electromagnetic pulse weapons.

00:56:12.000 And one was downed and crashed on the Peruvian-Bolivian border.

00:56:17.000 We hit it with electromagnetic pulse weapons.

00:56:21.000 So who did this?

00:56:22.000 The Air Force, the Army?

00:56:24.000 Like, do we know?

00:56:25.000 Yeah, we know, but I mean, it's this group majestic.

00:56:28.000 I mean, you know, if you were to talk to the general I briefed, who's head of the Defense Intelligence Agency, which is almost as big as the CIA that's in the Pentagon, he didn't know anything about this.

00:56:38.000 So when you say who's doing it, it's kind of almost not the correct even way of framing it, is to say, you know, when Senator Inui, he just passed away, wonderful senator from Hawaii, he said, there exists a secret government with its own Air Force, its own funding mechanism, its own Navy.

00:56:59.000 I'm quoting almost exactly.

00:57:02.000 And actually, this is a great speech by this senator.

00:57:07.000 And it's because he had run across that this was going on.

00:57:11.000 So the question is, who's running this?

00:57:13.000 Well, they've gone off the reservation.

00:57:14.000 There's certainly no congressional oversight or presidential oversight over these rogue elements.

00:57:20.000 And I think that is a threat to our democracy, but it's also a threat to our security in the world.

00:57:24.000 If what we've learned is true from multiple military insiders, that we have been attempting to target these extraterrestrial vehicles and down them, how stupid is that?

00:57:36.000 You're dealing with civilizations that could turn the Earth into a pink mist floating through space in a nanosecond, and we're there firing at them?

00:57:43.000 Why?

00:57:43.000 You know, I mean, this is the same.

00:57:45.000 But you're convinced that this happened?

00:57:46.000 Absolutely?

00:57:47.000 I absolutely know it has.

00:57:48.000 Because I have too many insiders who have been present when we've done this sort of the weaponization of electromagnetic signals.

00:57:55.000 What about disinformation?

00:57:57.000 Yeah, I have.

00:57:58.000 Most of the information out there is disinformation.

00:58:00.000 I would say that.

00:58:00.000 Right.

00:58:01.000 Do you believe any of it's ever hit you?

00:58:02.000 Like any of this might be true.

00:58:03.000 Oh, yeah, I have.

00:58:04.000 No, no, not what I'm telling you.

00:58:06.000 But have I ever been caught flat-footed?

00:58:09.000 Yeah, almost.

00:58:12.000 But, you know, we're very careful.

00:58:14.000 And I have to say, you know, as a doctor who got into this sort of accidentally, and then I was tutored and mentored by some really good people in the military and in the intelligence community who wanted me to do this.

00:58:28.000 And one of them is still at the CIA, He's a PhD guy.

00:58:32.000 And he says, you know, someone needs to do this because the politicians are never going to deal with it.

00:58:35.000 And these big corporations are absolutely not going to let it out.

00:58:39.000 And this was back in the 90s.

00:58:41.000 And I said, well, what am I supposed to do?

00:58:44.000 And, you know, one of the interesting things, after we put this briefing together for Clinton and, you know, Lawrence Rockefeller, I put the concept together of the best available evidence and all these cases.

00:58:56.000 And then Lawrence Rockefeller hosted Bill and Hillary Clinton at the Rockefeller Ranch, and it had me out there shortly before that.

00:59:03.000 And Mr. Rockefeller was the white hat in the family who wanted to end the secrecy, unlike some of his family.

00:59:12.000 And so he said to me one night, I was out on his porch on a deck in the Grand Tetons at the JY Ranch, and he said, we really need you to hurry up and do this.

00:59:26.000 And I said, oh, Lawrence, I'm just a doctor in North Carolina.

00:59:29.000 I'm working in an ER.

00:59:30.000 He says, no, you have to do it.

00:59:32.000 I said, no, Lawrence, you have to get these guys to do it.

00:59:35.000 He says, they will never do it.

00:59:36.000 And I said, Lawrence, for God's sakes, you're old, you're rich, and you're a Rockefeller.

00:59:40.000 And he says, no.

00:59:41.000 He says, the implications of this are so vast and so profound that No aspect of life will be unchanged when it comes out.

00:59:48.000 I said, yes, Lawrence, that's why it's secret.

00:59:50.000 And then he said to me, well, that means those folks aren't going to do it.

00:59:54.000 And then, you know, before that, shortly after that, I had this meeting with the CIA director, and one of the president's friends came to my house, and this was a very disturbing story.

01:00:07.000 I'm sitting at the table with my four kids, four daughters, and this man who's very close friends with the president, Clinton, says to me, well, you know, they're very supportive of what you've recommended in this white paper.

01:00:21.000 I said, great.

01:00:23.000 He says, but they're not going to do it.

01:00:25.000 I said, why not?

01:00:26.000 He says, they're convinced that if the president steps into this too hard, he'll end up like Jack Kennedy.

01:00:32.000 And I started laughing, thinking, what a load of nonsense.

01:00:36.000 And he stopped me.

01:00:38.000 He says, no, they're serious.

01:00:39.000 I said, well, don't say this in front of the kids.

01:00:41.000 So we went to the library in my house after dinner.

01:00:45.000 And I said, what are you talking about, Kevin?

01:00:48.000 And he said, they really think this is too dangerous.

01:00:50.000 I said, well, what am I supposed to do?

01:00:52.000 What am I chopped liver?

01:00:53.000 And he looked at me and he says, yeah, you're expendable.

01:00:57.000 So I have always viewed myself as the kind of the throwaway guy In all of this, in the sense that these guys, you know, the folks who have enormous political power and corporate power, even the ones who support this very avidly, and there's a lot of them, they don't want to stick their necks out.

01:01:13.000 But I'm confused.

01:01:14.000 Okay, why would they kill Bill Clinton if Bill Clinton came out and said that we may have evidence that there might be some intelligent life out there in the world, in the universe?

01:01:24.000 you know it's like the REM song it's the end of the world as we know it because if that happens when that happens No, no, no, no, no, no.

01:01:33.000 The public isn't going to panic over this unless it's couched in a stupid way.

01:01:36.000 Well, the public definitely will panic if the president comes out and says there's UFOs and then he gets whacked.

01:01:41.000 That would lead to panic.

01:01:43.000 Yeah, but there's a bigger problem.

01:01:45.000 if the president doesn't have control access over these projects, he doesn't want to talk about it because then it shows the fact that our democracy has been sidelined, as Eisenhower warned us.

01:01:56.000 I mean, the reason Eisenhower, look, He was a five-star general.

01:02:01.000 For folks who don't know the story, just fill people in on the speech that he made as an active sitting president leaving.

01:02:07.000 Yeah, the last day of his presidency.

01:02:09.000 He basically said, beware the military-industrial complex.

01:02:12.000 And this is enormous power will be a threat to our democracy and our way of life.

01:02:19.000 Now, the reason he said that is that between 1954 and 1960, 61, when he was leaving office, it was on his watch that the military-industrial complex reorganized under the Rockefeller Commission of 1956, and Eisenhower lost complete control over these projects.

01:02:38.000 I have a lieutenant colonel who was on the plane with Jack Kennedy flying to Berlin when he gave the I Am a Berliner speech.

01:02:46.000 And Jack Kennedy was talking about this UFO issue, but he turned to this guy who was kind of the chief steward for Air Force One, who I know, and he said, I know about this, but the whole matter, this is President Kennedy saying this, the whole matter is out of my hands and I don't know why.

01:03:04.000 And this guy was stunned.

01:03:06.000 In fact, I'll tell you, there's a kind of a gruff colonel, an Air Force guy who was crying as he told his story because it hit him that there had been sort of a silent coup d'état on this issue.

01:03:20.000 And one of the problems in Washington when I meet with people who are part of powerful committees and politicians is that they're kind of viewed as placeholders that come and go.

01:03:31.000 The mainstream media is really bread and circus where they just want people to be entertained with shock and drivel.

01:03:38.000 The question becomes, how are you going to get this story out?

01:03:41.000 And that's why, I mean, a few years ago I left medicine, which was a hard thing for me to do.

01:03:47.000 Because, I mean, I really love taking care of, you know, real emergencies and trauma.

01:03:51.000 How long did you do that for?

01:03:53.000 I was in that ER 10 years, and I was chairman of emergency medicine.

01:03:57.000 And, you know, the problem became for me, the world's in an emergency.

01:04:02.000 So I said, I'm an emergency doctor, and I know an emergency when I see one, and we're in deep trouble.

01:04:09.000 And so someone has to do this.

01:04:11.000 But before I did that, what you have to understand is I went to everyone I could.

01:04:15.000 I mean, I went to these powerful people.

01:04:17.000 I went to the UN.

01:04:18.000 I went to the British government, the Ministry of Defense.

01:04:21.000 And basically, none of them doubted this was all true, frankly.

01:04:25.000 This is what people need to understand.

01:04:27.000 There was no laughter in the room.

01:04:29.000 They took it very seriously.

01:04:30.000 But they didn't want to stick their necks out.

01:04:32.000 And a friend of mine, who's a big business guy, he said, well, you know, the way the world works now, everyone wants to be first to be second when it's something tough.

01:04:41.000 I've always felt that something along the lines of alien contact, if they did have information, there's no reason to let people know unless it's unavoidable.

01:04:53.000 I always felt like unless they were just going to try to do some damage control and redefine what's happening, I wouldn't think that they would ever come out about it.

01:05:02.000 It just doesn't seem like it would be something that would be advantageous to just start telling people about UFOs.

01:05:09.000 The idea is always that the government is our daddy and that our government's looking out for us.

01:05:13.000 But the evidence points time and time again to that, that that's horseshit and that's not really what's going on.

01:05:18.000 But you know, my military advisor made the point years ago that because so many people, I mean, between 5% and 10% of the public have seen one of these objects, many of them at very close range.

01:05:27.000 Let's get back to that, because this is what we had talked about before when we got onto this people who think the Earth is 10,000 years old.

01:05:35.000 I think most of what people see is bullshit.

01:05:38.000 I think most, yeah, no question about that.

01:05:41.000 Most sightings, I did a show once for CBS called Game Show in My Head, and it was a hidden camera game show where it put an earpiece in people's head, and we were sending them out onto the street.

01:05:54.000 And they didn't know what they had to do until they got there.

01:05:56.000 And one of them, we said, okay, see that camera over there?

01:06:00.000 That works for you.

01:06:01.000 There's a big news camera.

01:06:02.000 You're a news reporter.

01:06:03.000 And there was just a UFO sighting right above Hollywood Boulevard.

01:06:08.000 The problem is the witness took off.

01:06:11.000 So you need to grab someone who wasn't there and have them become a witness.

01:06:15.000 Tell them exactly what you need to tell them to get them to do this.

01:06:19.000 Get them to lie on camera.

01:06:21.000 Then you need to get them to tell you that they were abducted and probed.

01:06:26.000 And I'm serious.

01:06:27.000 And we got people to do it like that.

01:06:29.000 No, I have no doubt.

01:06:30.000 But you can full of shit.

01:06:31.000 Yeah, you can.

01:06:32.000 You can always do that.

01:06:33.000 But I'm talking about high-level military.

01:06:35.000 No, and the residual.

01:06:36.000 I mean, for example, we have multiple pilots for commercial airlines and the Air Force.

01:06:45.000 And this is one of the really great cases we have, by the way, the Japan Airlines case over Alaska in the 80s.

01:06:51.000 And the guy who was in charge of investigations for the FAA, who was third from the top during the Reagan era, he actually left that agency and brought the originals with him and gave them to us of the radar tracings of this thing that was the size of like 10 747s moving in a nonlinear way over the skies.

01:07:13.000 It was on civilian radar, which was on military radar.

01:07:18.000 They scrambled F-16 jets.

01:07:20.000 It was on their radar, and the Japan Airlines 747 pilot has testified to it, and we have all of that in this case.

01:07:28.000 I've heard of this.

01:07:29.000 Okay, all right.

01:07:29.000 I've heard of it.

01:07:30.000 So when we brought all that forward and this guy came forward, he says, I'm one of these high-level government officials who actually has seen all this and has handled it, but no one's asking the right questions.

01:07:40.000 So when you pull all that together, and then of course there will be events like this thing that happened in Phoenix where eventually the governor of Arizona, Phive Simonton, came out later.

01:07:52.000 I mean at the time he ridiculed it, but he had actually seen it and came out later, 10 years later, in 2007 and said, yeah, that was an ET craft almost certainly, and I saw it, and tens of thousands of people in the Phoenix area saw it, and it was photographed and it was on radar and there were very trained people.

01:08:08.000 So, you know, you have to ask the question, how many things like that have to happen?

01:08:12.000 And, you know, on the other hand, you know, the things that we have in physics that are inferred through indirect measurements, like black holes, are articles of belief and faith, or even the Big Bang theory.

01:08:24.000 But when you have all of this, and this is not just someone on Hollywood Boulevard who's making stuff up, when you have dozens, thousands of people, you have radar cases, you have all this.

01:08:32.000 And so a lot of this is what's going to be in the film, Sirius.

01:08:34.000 And because what I've said to people is that the fact that people haven't seen this evidence doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

01:08:41.000 It does exist.

01:08:42.000 I agree with you.

01:08:43.000 There are a lot of people who will see things, and it'll be a planet rising, or it'll be a meteor, or it'll be...

01:08:50.000 satellite or it'll be a, you know, There are a lot of things that are UFO sightings that are very legit.

01:08:58.000 And that's why I don't like the word UFO.

01:09:00.000 There are two categories of UFOs that once you eliminate all the nonsense you're talking about.

01:09:05.000 And there are the ones that are ETVs, which is what they're called, the NSA, extraterrestrial vehicles.

01:09:10.000 And then there are the ones that are the electromagnetic devices we've been building since the 50s.

01:09:16.000 And if people think that propulsion and energy systems stopped in the 40s, they need to think about this.

01:09:24.000 Let's step back for a minute.

01:09:25.000 Your car is running on an internal combustion engine circa.

01:09:29.000 Mine is, because I'm a man, okay, and I don't drive a fucking sissy hybrid. 0.93

01:09:33.000 Yeah, there you go.

01:09:34.000 I'm not driving a Prius.

01:09:35.000 It makes no noise.

01:09:36.000 Yeah, you should have a thousand horsepower electric one, and then you'd really have some power.

01:09:40.000 It's too futuristic, man.

01:09:42.000 I need Led Zeppelin on the radio.

01:09:44.000 I need a little 70s in my life.

01:09:46.000 Yeah.

01:09:46.000 Well, no, but I mean, this, you know, and the jet engine, people think that was, we're flying our own jet, so I came out here from DC on it.

01:09:52.000 That's 1930s.

01:09:54.000 Rockets, 1940s, Werner von Braun.

01:09:57.000 Do people really think there have been no breakthroughs in energy physics and propulsion since the 40s?

01:10:02.000 People absolutely know that we've been working on things like that.

01:10:05.000 But to bring up what you brought up earlier about the governor of Phoenix, just to point out that the governor of Alaska, Arizona rather, the governor of Alaska, Sarah Palin, was one of those people that believe the Earth is less than 10,000 years old.

01:10:16.000 So just because you're a governor or something doesn't mean you're on the ball.

01:10:19.000 And second of all, I had friends that were in Phoenix, and one of them, very credible guy, told me he saw some giant black triangle flying motionless over the sky.

01:10:33.000 He said it was bigger than several football fields.

01:10:35.000 He said it made no noise, and it blocked out the stars and flew over.

01:10:40.000 And he said everyone in his neighborhood was shitting their pants.

01:10:43.000 It was enough to me that I would go, wow, there's something.

01:10:46.000 There's too many people that saw something.

01:10:49.000 You could attribute certain things to mass hysteria, but that was one of them that I found to be very strange.

01:10:54.000 But I never heard any photographs.

01:10:56.000 You say photographs.

01:10:57.000 Oh, we have amazing photographs and video.

01:10:58.000 They're going to be in the film, seriously.

01:11:00.000 You don't have them anywhere else that anybody see online.

01:11:02.000 You're holding them back from the phone.

01:11:03.000 No, no, no, no, no.

01:11:04.000 No, they're out there.

01:11:06.000 Dr. Lynn Katai, who's a medical doctor, also took some of them.

01:11:09.000 There's other video.

01:11:10.000 Photos of the Phoenix crafts.

01:11:12.000 Yes, the actual one.

01:11:13.000 Yes.

01:11:14.000 So what should we, if we want to look for one right now to put in this show right now, we're online.

01:11:18.000 Who does he look for?

01:11:21.000 I guess you'd go to Dr. Lynn Katai's site.

01:11:23.000 I don't know how to memorize.

01:11:24.000 I'm going to spell her name?

01:11:25.000 K-I-T-A-I. 1.00

01:11:27.000 K-A-K-A-I-K-I-T-A-I. 1.00

01:11:30.000 Pull that up, Brian, see what images are.

01:11:31.000 She has quite a few on there.

01:11:33.000 I've never heard that there's been photographs of these things.

01:11:36.000 What does the photo show?

01:11:37.000 It shows exactly what people described, a formation of lights that were moving together in a massive sort of V formation.

01:11:45.000 Right, and the government said that those were flares.

01:11:48.000 Right, because a couple hours later, when they couldn't contain the news story on this, I was there when this happened, by the way.

01:11:53.000 You were in Phoenix?

01:11:53.000 I was there.

01:11:54.000 Yeah, I was there.

01:11:54.000 Did you see it?

01:11:55.000 What did you see?

01:11:57.000 What you just described.

01:11:58.000 No, you, when you got to know what I was saying.

01:11:59.000 Why was I there?

01:12:00.000 Yeah.

01:12:01.000 Did you get your spider call, the Batman, whatever the fucking thing, a UFO just appears over your house, like the bat sign?

01:12:08.000 Remember, when he's in trouble, we need to send Batman?

01:12:11.000 Is that what they did?

01:12:11.000 No, they don't.

01:12:12.000 I was actually there at a digital lab that was being loaned to us to put together a- Well, not coincidentally.

01:12:20.000 To put together the best photos and videos to give to Congress that I was briefing in April of 97.

01:12:26.000 So in March of 97, I had gone there, and there was a guy who had a digital laboratory who said, look, we'll let you use our equipment and assemble this, and we'll help you.

01:12:35.000 And he'd worked a lot with the military.

01:12:37.000 And so I had collected photos and videos from all over the world and governments from all over the world, which we call the best available evidence.

01:12:43.000 And I was putting it together because in April we were holding a closed briefing for members of Congress who wanted to know.

01:12:51.000 And that's when people like Congressman Dan Burton, who was chairman of the House Government Reform and Oversight Committee, came and a whole lot of other people from the Pentagon and Vice President's office and whatnot.

01:13:01.000 And so I was there when that happened and someone came running into the lab saying, my God, while we're here trying, there's this going on.

01:13:10.000 And it turned out it was on the news that night in Phoenix.

01:13:13.000 Now, interestingly, the national news didn't pick up on it until June.

01:13:16.000 This happened in March, which is very interesting.

01:13:20.000 Why did that get held back?

01:13:22.000 And so there were so many people who saw it, and this was huge.

01:13:27.000 Whatever this object was, it was not the size of like a 747.

01:13:32.000 A 747, you know, you probably could put dozens of them inside the volume of this thing.

01:13:37.000 It was huge.

01:13:38.000 I found it interesting that the stories were very similar.

01:13:40.000 It's one of the things that I found most interesting.

01:13:42.000 I watched some stuff online and then when I spoke to my friend who lives in Phoenix and he told me what he saw, I was like, wow, you're talking about like at least six or seven people that are telling the exact same story of seeing this exact same sort of thing.

01:13:55.000 Now, these are the images that you're talking about.

01:13:57.000 These are just the whatever, the red lights that are in the sky.

01:14:02.000 I think the video is probably more impressive, being that the video shows these things essentially hover for a long period of time and much longer than really should be attributable to parachutes and flares.

01:14:17.000 It doesn't really make any sense because parachutes and flares don't really move that slow.

01:14:21.000 When you watch a guy jump out of a plane with a parachute, the parachutes, they slow your fall down, but they don't make you slow.

01:14:30.000 That's a good photograph of it.

01:14:31.000 No.

01:14:32.000 And we know how those kind of flares and parachutes.

01:14:36.000 But the people who were directly under it, and it moved not just over this part of Phoenix, it moved all the way from outside flagstaff through the valley and then down towards Tempe.

01:14:45.000 Now, how did you know about it?

01:14:46.000 You were there working.

01:14:47.000 Did you hear about it?

01:14:49.000 There was a guy that ran into the lab and who had actually been in the military.

01:14:53.000 He said, you wouldn't believe what's going on.

01:14:56.000 So, yeah, I was there that night.

01:14:58.000 What year was this?

01:14:59.000 1997, March of 97.

01:15:02.000 Now, what's equally interesting, if you look at this, now the Belgian Air Force cooperated with me very, very nicely back in the early 90s and late 80s, you may have remembered there was this wave of things that happened in eastern Belgium where there were these massive triangles that were about 800 feet on each side that were photographed, radar traced, chased by F-16s, and we have all this.

01:15:29.000 And the head of the Belgian Air Force actually showed the radar of one of these objects going from hover to several thousand miles per hour straight up into space, way outside the envelope of any normal conventional propulsion system.

01:15:43.000 They have a video of this.

01:15:44.000 Radar.

01:15:45.000 Radar.

01:15:46.000 Radar of it.

01:15:46.000 And we have this.

01:15:47.000 So the question becomes, how many of these cases do you need to have before you say there's something out there?

01:15:53.000 And I think this is, the problem is that on this subject, the ridicule around it and the disinformation and the crazy stories that are out there is what dominates.

01:16:05.000 The serious, pun intended perhaps, the serious stuff really gets left on the cutting room floor by most movie directors and media and even on the internet.

01:16:16.000 It's very hard.

01:16:17.000 And I think to pick your way through it is very difficult.

01:16:19.000 What I've tried to do, and it's not that I've done a perfect job of it, I've done the best I can with a lot of help.

01:16:25.000 But remember, we've never been funded.

01:16:26.000 We're all volunteer effort.

01:16:29.000 And so what we've tried to do is get people who have the really good stuff from governments come forward and share it.

01:16:36.000 And this is why, you know, when the space agency of France released a lot of their documents after I was having some meetings in France and with some of the seniors.

01:16:48.000 You can't say it both ways.

01:16:49.000 It's either France or France. 0.77

01:16:51.000 You got a pick?

01:16:52.000 It was France when I was there, and when it's here, it's France. 0.91

01:16:55.000 There you go.

01:16:55.000 And, you know, there's an admiral that works with us in France who's a wonderful guy.

01:17:02.000 And he's an MD and a PhD in an Admiral.

01:17:05.000 And, you know, he knows all this is very real.

01:17:08.000 And so eventually the French government really, I believe it was about 100,000 pages of documents on all of this.

01:17:15.000 And now, since the disclosure project launched 10 or 12 years ago, there are 14 countries who've opened up their files.

01:17:22.000 Now, of course, the United States isn't, because the United States is managed differently on this issue.

01:17:28.000 It's a compartmented, unacknowledged specialist.

01:17:30.000 But the former Soviet Union has actually been pretty open more recently in more recent times about the possibility of the US.

01:17:35.000 When it first fell apart, not so much now, but when it first fell apart, we have a great dossier of KGB cases and files and also military.

01:17:45.000 And in fact, some of the cosmonauts that had had encounters with these, I pulled together in 1995 for a meeting with some of our astronauts, like Edgar Mitchell, to have a meeting out here in California.

01:17:58.000 So, you know, there are some really solid cases out of the Soviet Union.

01:18:04.000 Does Edgar Mitchell claim to have had a personal experience?

01:18:06.000 No, no.

01:18:07.000 He's just investigated it and has concluded that this is all very real.

01:18:11.000 And he did come with me.

01:18:13.000 I invited him to the briefing we set up for the head of intelligence for the Joint Chiefs of Staff at the Pentagon.

01:18:19.000 And I think it was very interesting for him to have learned that people at that level were shaken to their foundations because they concluded this was all real, but when they made inquiries, they were being lied to and denied access.

01:18:31.000 And so this brings up this question, who's running this show?

01:18:36.000 And who's over, the foxes are guarding the hen house?

01:18:40.000 And this exactly goes back to Eisenhower's warning.

01:18:43.000 But we're 50 years into that era now.

01:18:46.000 And so half a century later, as big of a screw-up as it was in 1961 when Eisenhower warned us about it, it's 10 times worse than that now.

01:18:55.000 And so much so that I have concluded that the way we change the dynamic on this is that the people will lead, the leaders will have to follow.

01:19:03.000 We do the disclosure.

01:19:05.000 We bring out these technologies.

01:19:07.000 We set up teams to make contact.

01:19:08.000 And we just bypass the government.

01:19:11.000 The evidence that you have, or possible evidence of this alien life, before that, this is a more recent thing, this is fairly recent, right?

01:19:20.000 Before that, what was the most compelling piece of physical evidence that you've ever encountered?

01:19:26.000 I would have to say that it's these really well-documented, complex cases that involve documents, radar cases with photographs, and multiple corroborating credible witnesses such as the pilots.

01:19:39.000 Landing sites.

01:19:41.000 Oh, yeah, I mean, we do.

01:19:42.000 And I actually have been given materials from where the sites have landed.

01:19:45.000 They're very anomalous.

01:19:47.000 A great case that's in the French files that they released in the Japan, what's it called?

01:19:51.000 Japan, this space agency like NASA, released was the Provence case of 1981, I believe, when one of these objects landed in a lavender field of all places.

01:20:04.000 Must have smelled awesome.

01:20:05.000 Yeah.

01:20:05.000 Well, it was a commercial lavender farm.

01:20:08.000 And so, cool.

01:20:10.000 And it was wee hours of the morning, and this thing lands.

01:20:12.000 The farmer comes out, and it's this disc-shaped craft.

01:20:17.000 How large?

01:20:18.000 I think it was in the 50-foot diameter range.

01:20:22.000 And there were these little beings outside picking lavender.

01:20:24.000 Now, this sounds crazy, like some out of science fiction.

01:20:27.000 Like how little?

01:20:27.000 Like your little guy?

01:20:28.000 No.

01:20:29.000 No, these were, From what I remember, like four feet, five feet in that range.

01:20:33.000 And then, but it left this spot where it had landed, and there were anomalies, electromagnetic sort of radiation into the soil.

01:20:43.000 And this was actually studied by the French government, concluded to be an absolutely real case, just like the Bentwaters Royal Air Force Base case in England was determined to be an authentic case of a landing.

01:20:56.000 So these sort of landing cases that have also now, at the time, there weren't many people coming forward.

01:21:03.000 Now we have all these military people coming forward corroborating.

01:21:06.000 They were there, they saw this, and now the documents are getting released from the UK and France.

01:21:11.000 But in the United States, it's still a black hole.

01:21:14.000 Now, we're going to play your trailer for the upcoming film.

01:21:18.000 Sirius, you got it pulled up, Brian?

01:21:20.000 Is it queued all the way through?

01:21:22.000 Here we sit, 2012, with the world still burning oil and gas and coal, when we have had all the information we need to have had a completely new civilization.

01:21:35.000 Dr. Stephen Greer is absolutely a hero in the councils of government.

01:21:40.000 We must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex.

01:21:49.000 hundreds of billions of dollars, I think the public would be a little annoyed.

01:21:53.000 Alright, sit down and shut up. 0.73

01:21:55.000 More criminals!

01:21:57.000 Look at the hole!

01:21:59.000 There's a dancing just like you!

01:22:01.000 I was told to pray and not to meditate.

01:22:03.000 I was told to talk, not to listen.

01:22:05.000 I'm learning to listen.

01:22:07.000 The primary purpose is to train people to understand these other civilizations and their cultures.

01:22:13.000 I don't give a goddamn what anybody else says about it.

01:22:16.000 I saw that.

01:22:17.000 Who do you tell?

01:22:18.000 Without them looking at you like you ain't rapped too fights.

01:22:21.000 That was a part of the United States Air Force cover-up for 18 years.

01:22:26.000 What we are attempting to achieve is a device which defeats the perpendicular force of gravity.

01:22:33.000 When we look at our data, we lost 7% of weight.

01:22:37.000 We now have the technology to take ET home.

01:22:40.000 Consciousness is at once the most familiar thing to us and the most mysterious.

01:22:44.000 It doesn't take much effort to just clear your mind.

01:22:48.000 People are afraid of looking at technology.

01:22:50.000 Paul Brown's stuff got basically stressed for years.

01:22:53.000 He got murdered.

01:22:55.000 The problem is not proving that UFOs exist.

01:22:58.000 is when you begin to expose the energy and propulsion systems behind how they're getting here.

01:23:04.000 There's a ton of words.

01:23:13.000 Hmm.

01:23:15.000 And then you can see the same thing and everything.

01:23:19.000 No, no, no.

01:23:21.000 No, no, no.

01:23:23.000 you you Thank you.

01:23:28.000 That little thing freaked me out.

01:23:30.000 Really?

01:23:30.000 Yeah.

01:23:31.000 Well, you know, I don't mean to sound callous, but being a doctor, I've seen so many worse things.

01:23:36.000 But it's actually fascinating.

01:23:37.000 I mean, it freaked me out, not that it's a dead body.

01:23:37.000 It's fascinating.

01:23:40.000 I've seen dead things.

01:23:41.000 It freaked me out that that might be a life form.

01:23:43.000 By the way, you know.

01:23:44.000 Well, it was a life form.

01:23:45.000 We know for a fact it was a life form.

01:23:46.000 What it was is what we're investigating.

01:23:48.000 And I think that one of our witnesses who was on a retrieval team of retrieving extraterrestrial bodies from craft that we had targeted has talked about the fact that there are many different species that had been catalogued over the years.

01:24:04.000 And at one point, I think it was in the late 60s, there were like 68 or 69 or something in that range.

01:24:11.000 You know, if you look at space and look at the stars, probably every stable star system has planets around it they're discovering.

01:24:18.000 And the likelihood that there's an enormous diversity of life out there is a statistical certainty.

01:24:26.000 Even the conventional astronomers and the Drake formula support that.

01:24:31.000 The question is, have they gotten here?

01:24:33.000 Well, most probably wouldn't be able to, just like we weren't for thousands and thousands of years.

01:24:38.000 But there's such hubris to think that we're at the pinnacle of the technology on Earth in 2013.

01:24:44.000 And we're not.

01:24:46.000 And I think that when you begin to look at the progression of technology once you reach a breakout point, as we have in the last century here, in fact, most of the big breakthroughs in technologies, no one knows about.

01:24:59.000 They exist, but they're in a classified project.

01:25:02.000 And that's, I think, as big or a bigger story than the ET story, is the fact that there is a cabal of, as I said, sociopathic, misanthropic folks who have decided their macroeconomic grip on power needs to be maintained through this sort of ruthless secrecy and where they keep from the public this information,

01:25:22.000 not because they think people are going to hurl themselves off the Brooklyn Bridge because we're not alone in the universe, but because when this comes out and this information comes out, it means that the sciences already exist so that we can get off oil and gas and coal.

01:25:36.000 A Goldman Sachs guy said that's a $600 trillion nut you're cracking right there, trillion.

01:25:36.000 And you know what?

01:25:43.000 And because if you look at all the oil in the ground, the coal in the ground, the commodities trading, the petrodollar system, the utilities, the internal combustion engines, all of that is defunct, extinct stuff, or should be.

01:25:55.000 And so here we are cannibalizing this planet for no good reason except that there's a handful of folks.

01:26:02.000 And you look at the sort of centralization of wealth and power there is in the world now, it's the most extreme it's ever been in human history right now, right this minute, this instant.

01:26:12.000 So, you know, there's 200 to 300 individuals and corporations that have over half the net worth of the world.

01:26:19.000 You know the guy in the beginning of your video that says that you're a genius?

01:26:23.000 David Wilcock?

01:26:24.000 Do you know who that guy is?

01:26:25.000 Oh, yes, I know who he is.

01:26:26.000 Do you know that he also thinks that he's Edgar Casey reincarnated and shows you pictures of Edgar Casey's friends and how his friends look like Edgar Casey's friends?

01:26:37.000 Have you ever watched any of that guy's lectures?

01:26:37.000 Really?

01:26:38.000 No, I haven't.

01:26:39.000 Yeah.

01:26:40.000 I mean, some of the team interviewed him, but I don't want to.

01:26:42.000 Might want to do a little editing.

01:26:44.000 Might want to do a little editing with that one.

01:26:46.000 Not saying that anything else in your documentary is bullshit, but that guy makes my radar detector go off.

01:26:55.000 The evidence that this technology has been suppressed, is there evidence that this free energy technology has been suppressed?

01:27:07.000 Yes, There's a huge amount of evidence.

01:27:09.000 And do you reveal this in this documentary?

01:27:11.000 There's a whole document trail.

01:27:13.000 And one of the things we got some years ago was a demand from the Department of Defense to the FBI that they turn over the secret papers of Nikola Tesla that were stolen.

01:27:22.000 And we have this document.

01:27:24.000 And, you know, what happened to them and what were they trying to hide?

01:27:28.000 The Federation of American Scientists, a very big mainstream organization in Washington that has a national security research project associated with the Federation of American Scientists, came out about two years ago with a report that there were 5,135 patents that have been seized under the National Security Act, and that some of these things were energy related.

01:27:52.000 One of them in 1971 was only a solar photovoltaic generator, you know, from sunlight to electricity, photovoltaic, that was more than 20% efficient.

01:28:03.000 Now, you can't even get that now, but meaning that it was probably like 40, 50% turning sunlight directly into electricity.

01:28:11.000 And it had a national security order slapped on it.

01:28:14.000 And this mainstream scientific group says, how could that be a threat to national security?

01:28:18.000 It would have been a threat to the domination of oil and coal and the petrodollar system. 0.87

01:28:23.000 So, you know, this is not a conspiracy theory.

01:28:27.000 There are entities that have conspired.

01:28:29.000 And you look at the wealth and power behind these entities.

01:28:31.000 I mean, people have been killed for a lot less than this.

01:28:33.000 It really is.

01:28:34.000 That is such a loaded word, that conspiracy.

01:28:36.000 It's unfortunate that it's necessary to use because it's been so co-opted.

01:28:41.000 Well, I think it's really more about special interests and cartels always acting in their interests.

01:28:47.000 And if you've got the power, you're going to use it.

01:28:50.000 And you know what?

01:28:51.000 And here's the problem.

01:28:52.000 If the people allow it to happen, and I was just reading an article in the New Republic about this, that if you, whether you're letting Saddam Hussein or the Libyan dictator Mumar Qaddafi or whatever it is, you have to give them that power.

01:29:09.000 We give the power to the government, ultimately, by our passivity.

01:29:13.000 And so ultimately, I'm not one of these people who runs around saying, oh, well, there are these boogeymen that are doing everything and we're just hapless creatures.

01:29:21.000 If we're allowing it, if we're not part of the solution, we're part of the problem, if we're allowing it by our inaction and passivity, because we want to be bread and circus people sitting around eating Cheetos and watching Jay Leno, which is fine, but if that's all we're doing and we're not trying to fix this problem, then obviously the passivity of the public and our politicians who don't want to risk their career or danger, in that power vacuum, you're going to have these sort of people step.

01:29:50.000 And I think there's a power vacuum that existed for a little while after World War II that gave an entry to these folks.

01:29:58.000 And I think that it will continue for as long as we let them do it.

01:30:02.000 I think it's pretty obvious when you look at the fact that this is the age of information where information is being distributed more freely and more easily than ever before.

01:30:11.000 Yet this is also the age where the government is continuing to attack the Bill of Rights, continuing to slowly but surely restrict our rights and civil liberties, and make it so that if they deem you a threat to the nation in any way, shape, or form, they can essentially detain you.

01:30:28.000 They don't have to do anything legal.

01:30:29.000 They don't have to contact your family.

01:30:31.000 This is all stuff that's being passed now.

01:30:34.000 And that seems to me to point to the fact that they're looking at this.

01:30:40.000 Where's it going?

01:30:42.000 If you look at it on a graph, if you look at it, if you project the future, well, it's going towards some ultimate free information space.

01:30:50.000 And if it gets to that, then it's going to be revealed exactly how much fuckery has been going on for all these decades and how much craziness has been going on behind the scenes.

01:30:59.000 And it's going to come to a point in time where the government's going to have to be accountable for where all the money goes every year in tax dollars.

01:31:05.000 And right now they're not.

01:31:06.000 You give them your tax dollars.

01:31:07.000 You don't get a receipt.

01:31:08.000 You don't know what the fuck happens.

01:31:10.000 There's congressional budget meetings and the Senate gets together and the president puts out his plan and the financial people get involved.

01:31:19.000 But how much access do we actually have as to where your Dr. Stephen Greer's financial records or your tax dollars go?

01:31:27.000 Almost nothing.

01:31:28.000 Oh, we don't know.

01:31:28.000 And even the folks who, I know an auditor for the federal government who audits Northrop Rummen.

01:31:35.000 And he said one of the problems is that once you get to a compartmented project that's eyes-only and it's unacknowledged, they're not going to tell you anything.

01:31:44.000 They won't even acknowledge it exists.

01:31:45.000 So how is there any check and balance on that?

01:31:48.000 It's essentially a dictatorship.

01:31:49.000 When it gets to that, really, you're essentially dealing with a dictatorship.

01:31:52.000 It's just dressed up as a democracy, but their ability to act is completely, they have total impunity.

01:31:58.000 They can do whatever the fuck they want.

01:32:00.000 They don't have to listen to it.

01:32:01.000 If we let them.

01:32:02.000 And here's the other problem with that, is that the macroeconomic system, we're supposed to be a free market economy.

01:32:08.000 Well, how free can the market be if there have been decades of confiscation and suppression of these advanced transdimensional energy devices and these so-called over-unity free energy devices?

01:32:21.000 And if that's going on, it completely lays to waste the whole concept of a free market.

01:32:28.000 So yeah, it's a free market if you want to tinker around the edges and come out with an iPhone 5 instead of an iPhone 4 or whatever version of this and that.

01:32:36.000 But let's not forget that your computer that you think is so cool, you're charging it off a grid that's an 1800s coal-fired power grid for the most part.

01:32:45.000 And so we really have to wake up to the fact that our society has been held back, retarded really seriously by this kind of secrecy. 0.96

01:32:57.000 And so this secrecy is actually becoming a threat to our continued, not just our liberty, but it's an existential threat to the planet.

01:33:05.000 And moreover, it keeps forcing all these unintended consequences where we stay encamped in the Middle East.

01:33:12.000 And you know, the buzzword in Washington, because of our vital national security interests.

01:33:16.000 Well, that's code for oil.

01:33:18.000 Just forget the BS.

01:33:19.000 That means oil.

01:33:20.000 Because you say, well, what about Israel?

01:33:22.000 Israel has 200 or 300 nuclear weapons.

01:33:24.000 And Dave Mayor, I lived there for three years.

01:33:26.000 Believe me when I tell you, they can take care of this.

01:33:29.000 I mean, you know, If there's an existential threat to Israel, they can handle it.

01:33:34.000 They don't need Big Brother America there.

01:33:36.000 But don't they?

01:33:37.000 I mean, don't they get a tremendous amount of funding from us and weapons?

01:33:40.000 Oh, they get funding, but I'm just saying that's not the reason we're in all those vast areas of the Middle East.

01:33:45.000 It's because of the oil interests.

01:33:46.000 Of course.

01:33:47.000 And, you know, and this becomes a question of why.

01:33:52.000 Well, because if you have a device that would fit on the table here, that'd run your house and you don't have to be on the grid or your car, put it in the boot of your car, and you have an enormous amount of power, electric.

01:34:03.000 How would that work?

01:34:05.000 Those are called zero-point or quantum vacuum electromagnetic generators.

01:34:11.000 And basically, through very high-voltage systems, you create a vector into this baseline energy field that really holds the universe together.

01:34:21.000 And, you know, they started talking about the Higgs field and the negative energy of the matter of the universe.

01:34:26.000 But for years, it's been proven that this zero-point energy field exists through what's called the Casimir effect.

01:34:32.000 And I won't get into the arcana of the physics of it.

01:34:34.000 But this was published in mainstream journals.

01:34:36.000 The question is, how do you tap it?

01:34:39.000 And can you?

01:34:39.000 The answer is yes, and it had been.

01:34:41.000 But they keep suppressing scientists and inventors who come up with it.

01:34:44.000 There's a man that I know who worked at Lawrence Berkeley Labs, and he was using a coiled array around a barium titanate crystal.

01:34:53.000 And using very high voltages with certain hertz, certain pulses, he was able to get 10 times more energy out than was going in because the crystalline structure was tapping into this zero-point energy field that is in the fabric of space and time.

01:35:08.000 So there's an enormous amount of power.

01:35:10.000 It's been estimated that every cubic centimeter of space, not outer space, space in this room, has enough energy to run the Earth for a day if you could tap it.

01:35:17.000 So the question becomes, if you can do that, you're not going to need to have your car filled up at a gas station or a utility to Con Ed or whoever it is.

01:35:26.000 And those sort of interests have trumped the technical ones.

01:35:30.000 The technological issues, I believe, can be fixed.

01:35:35.000 It's the strategic issue that's the problem.

01:35:37.000 I'm going to stop you because I need to know about this experiment.

01:35:40.000 Where was this taking place?

01:35:42.000 Is this peer-reviewed?

01:35:43.000 Is this something that has been?

01:35:45.000 It was confiscated.

01:35:46.000 The man that had this happen is a physicist, and some goons broke into his lab, broke it up the experiment, and then basically took him and put him in a mental hospital for a while.

01:36:00.000 Where did this happen?

01:36:01.000 Lawrence Berkeley Labs in the 80s.

01:36:03.000 Okay.

01:36:04.000 So 70s or 80s now.

01:36:05.000 Do we know exactly what he did, and is it reproducible?

01:36:08.000 Yep.

01:36:09.000 So why has no one reproduced this?

01:36:09.000 I think it is.

01:36:11.000 It doesn't make any sense.

01:36:13.000 Because you have to have a whole lot of specialized equipment to do it right.

01:36:16.000 And people have tried.

01:36:18.000 Now here's getting to really the reason we're doing this film is that 100% of the proceeds from it are going to go into build a new energy lab.

01:36:27.000 So all this stuff that we've collected can be done.

01:36:29.000 I think with the intelligence we've gathered in between one and two years, we will come out with at least a generation 1.0 of these energy systems.

01:36:37.000 Because I have thousands of pages of documents on this and many, many physicists who've worked in these programs.

01:36:43.000 But you've got to have a properly equipped lab.

01:36:46.000 You've got to have security.

01:36:47.000 You've got to have the whole world watching.

01:36:49.000 And this would not be a secret project like the skunk works at Lockheed.

01:36:52.000 This would be, I would, in my, it would be like this, it would be streamed.

01:36:55.000 So all the work going on in that lab, the whole world's watching.

01:36:58.000 Okay, so because I don't think you can do this secretively.

01:37:01.000 How come you know about this story?

01:37:03.000 How come you know about this experiment tapping into zero-point energy?

01:37:07.000 But this is not common knowledge amongst nuclear physicists.

01:37:10.000 This is not something that's discussed in the mainstream news.

01:37:12.000 This is not something that you can find information online on any credible source.

01:37:16.000 No one has re- It seems to me that if there was an experiment that tapped into such an unbelievably unlimited supply of energy like that, it would be impossible to keep this under wraps, that you would be able to keep the conversation under wraps.

01:37:30.000 No, it's not true.

01:37:31.000 And in fact, if you go to the website seriousdisclosure.com, there's a portal there to the energy research, and there are thousands of documents and pages of stuff, things that were reported in the media and then they got confiscated and shut down.

01:37:44.000 But you're asking this question as if academia and the media are operating freely, not under these suppressive behaviors.

01:37:52.000 Well, I'm asking the question actually because just the nature of human curiosity and incredibly brilliant, intelligent men that are out there that study energy, I would think that someone would look into this and examine it.

01:38:03.000 Okay, well there is.

01:38:04.000 And in fact, one of the people that we were funding for a while before he got threatened by a former CIA director who went down to his SCIF, it's a secure communication intelligence facility, was an understudy of William S. Bender at the University of Washington.

01:38:18.000 And he got threatened in what they said.

01:38:20.000 In 1974, I think it was 74, he formed a company, and he's a brilliant, one of the most brilliant people I've ever met, who, and he had developed these transdimensional systems using electromagnetic energy.

01:38:36.000 And some guys came in with a national security order, told him that they were confiscating his equipment, his device, his notes, and they were all going into the vault.

01:38:47.000 And this man, who I know very well, who stayed at my home, and still works for, under contract with CIA and various groups, he said that basically the intelligence community owns his soul and that he can only do only so much to provide information and bring this out.

01:39:07.000 And people who think that doesn't happen are living in a very naive world.

01:39:11.000 This is 40 years ago, though, you're talking about.

01:39:13.000 Yeah, and it would happen.

01:39:14.000 No, no, that was 40 years ago when the thing he started.

01:39:18.000 After I developed a relationship with him, he checked with his intelligence, what they call the shepherds, his handlers in the intelligence community.

01:39:25.000 They said, yes, you can work with Dr. Greer, not on the propulsion stuff that flies around like a UFO, but just on the energy generation part of this.

01:39:33.000 And so we provided a grant to him through my project, the Orion Project.

01:39:38.000 So the government limits his ability to do research on specific topics?

01:39:43.000 Well, he actually is on the payroll of the government now because he was basically told it's this or you have no career at all.

01:39:49.000 And if he had disclosed what he had invented in 1974 under the national security order he was hit with, he would have been imprisoned.

01:39:58.000 So and these exist.

01:40:00.000 You can look it up.

01:40:00.000 It's section 180, 181 of the patent law and the National Security Act.

01:40:04.000 These national security orders happen all the time.

01:40:07.000 So, but who's authorized?

01:40:09.000 You think President Obama or the Senate Intelligence Committee knows that these goons are out there doing this stuff?

01:40:15.000 No.

01:40:15.000 And so here's this brilliant guy, but I mean, he's not like he's Rambo.

01:40:20.000 I mean, he's an engineer and a physicist.

01:40:22.000 So he develops this stuff.

01:40:23.000 A bunch of guys come in who are badass folks, okay?

01:40:27.000 And he's terrified.

01:40:29.000 And so then all these years later, it circles back around.

01:40:33.000 We get hold of him.

01:40:35.000 And we say, look, okay, here's, you know, some funds.

01:40:38.000 Do this for us.

01:40:40.000 Own a generation 1.0 version of this, something, and check with your intelligence folks.

01:40:45.000 And they cleared him.

01:40:46.000 About the time he was beginning to put this thing together, a former CIA director with a bunch of goons came down in 2010.

01:40:53.000 This is two years, three years ago, threatened him, threatened his family.

01:40:58.000 What do they say to him?

01:40:59.000 They say you are not going to do this any further and made it very clear.

01:41:03.000 One of the guys at the Naval Research Labs I've worked with for years who has some of this information, he was told, we will kill you, your wife, your children, and your grandchildren if you step out of line on this.

01:41:14.000 So I don't think that, you know, in terms of dealing with this, that you're going to be able to do it under any kind of where someone's trying to do it quietly, secretively.

01:41:23.000 It's going to have to be in plain sight.

01:41:25.000 So what you're saying is that several people have tried to do this in the past every time, and every time they do it, they're threatened and stopped from doing it.

01:41:33.000 What specialized pieces of equipment would be necessary to produce this zero-point energy field thing?

01:41:40.000 Well, first of all, you know, your computer and lights here are running on 110 or 220, all right, voltage.

01:41:48.000 The voltages involved in these transdimensional physics is in the thousands to millions of volts, but at very low current.

01:41:54.000 And so you have to have special analyzers and generators for that.

01:41:58.000 So, I mean, there is a science to this, and we understand it very, very well, actually.

01:42:03.000 But building up that lab, I mean, we looked into the equipment just as like half a million dollars just to do that.

01:42:08.000 And so what you have to do is...

01:42:12.000 If you're talking about half a million dollars, that can produce a business.

01:42:14.000 No, no, that's just the equipment.

01:42:15.000 No, no, no.

01:42:16.000 This is no building, no personnel, no staff, no nothing, just the machine.

01:42:21.000 So we estimate we have a budget for about a two-year program of around $6 million to put a lab together, put these really brilliant people in it, get the right equipment, and build up these experiments and do real science.

01:42:36.000 But the problem is you have people off on their own doing this that stumble across this phenomenon, and they get shut down or threatened or bought out.

01:42:45.000 Then, you know, you have the folks who will be, instead of threatened, they'll just be offered money.

01:42:52.000 So a lot of people, Dr. Bearden tells this story of a man that had one of these generators and he was testing it.

01:42:58.000 It was a legitimate over-unity system.

01:43:01.000 And then the guy disappeared.

01:43:02.000 And the next time he saw the guy, he had a Ferrari and an Armani suit.

01:43:06.000 And the guy never had a pot to pee in, as it were.

01:43:09.000 And what we found with this is that a lot of times folks will just say, look, we're going to buy this.

01:43:16.000 And a lot of people don't believe that happens.

01:43:19.000 And they think that's a conspiracy theory.

01:43:21.000 It isn't a conspiracy theory.

01:43:22.000 And this is why the Federation of American Scientists, when they said, look, there are 5,135 or something like that patents that have been seized, most people don't know that those national security orders can happen outside of the patent process.

01:43:35.000 So even if you're not going the patent route, they can go in there and just seize the damn thing.

01:43:39.000 And what are you going to do?

01:43:41.000 They just seize it based on the idea that it's somehow or another a threat.

01:43:44.000 Well, they use, I mean, it's kind of like the flag in the Bible.

01:43:48.000 You wrap yourself in these things to do all kinds of outrageous behaviors.

01:43:53.000 But I mean, you can say it's national security, but as this one document from the Federation of American Scientists says, how could a solar voltaic system be a threat to the national security?

01:44:02.000 It would be a threat to the special interests that are calling the shots.

01:44:06.000 So the question becomes, who's really calling the shots on these sort of decisions?

01:44:10.000 Is it in the interest of we, the people?

01:44:12.000 It's in the interest of folks who want to protect their cartels.

01:44:12.000 No.

01:44:17.000 What is your take on guys who have come clean before?

01:44:22.000 Guys like Dr. Robert Lazar.

01:44:25.000 Is that guy full of shit?

01:44:26.000 He's the guy from Area 51 that came back and said that he was back engineering some alien craft and very compelling to listen to, very interesting guy.

01:44:37.000 But from what I understand, Dr. Stanton Friedman questioned him and in fact called him a fraud and said that some of his educational background was kind of made up.

01:44:47.000 And here's the problem with any case where you hang it on one person like that is very risky.

01:44:53.000 And that's why I've tried to resist that.

01:44:56.000 When we started putting together the people who knew about the nuclear facilities with UFOs coming over, I didn't want one or two.

01:45:03.000 I wanted half a dozen or a dozen.

01:45:05.000 That's what we have.

01:45:06.000 The more spectacular the case is, if it hangs on one person, and the other question is, where's the corroboration?

01:45:14.000 So I think that that's why we try to focus on that.

01:45:17.000 Now, I will say that the areas out in the Nellis Range, and nobody, by the way, calls it Area 51, but we'll just say that because Pahoot Mesa, S4, S3, S12.

01:45:29.000 And actually this National Reconnaissance Office document from the 1990s lists those facilities there properly.

01:45:39.000 Well, that's after blackjack control.

01:45:41.000 They had to apply for additional land.

01:45:44.000 Before that, they denied it entirely.

01:45:46.000 They had to apply for additional land because people were getting so close that they could film footage of some of these crafts that they were experimenting on.

01:45:54.000 And that's not bullshit.

01:45:55.000 If you've ever seen no one knows, yeah, no one knows what those things were, but the way they were moving was extraordinary.

01:46:02.000 They moved unlike any craft that we know.

01:46:05.000 I would assume that if you look at what we're doing today in all different parts of the world with drones, especially these drones that have hellfire missiles that, you know, can be fairly accurate when you're considering that they're being operated by someone halfway across the world, that this probably has something to do with what they were working on back then when they're making these things fly around and do all these crazy turns And twists in the sky.

01:46:31.000 No, because the drones that are being reported are conventional propulsion systems, either jets or what we're talking about are things that are moving in a way that is outside the envelope of normal aerodynamic behavior.

01:46:43.000 In other words, you cannot take something with a normal propeller or jet engine and accelerate it at 20,000 miles per hour and make a right-hand turn.

01:46:52.000 And we have photos and images of these things doing this.

01:46:55.000 So when you're doing that, that's going to, you know, your brains are going to come out of your nose if you're a pilot and even a conventional object is going to be blown to smithereens by the inertial forces of that kind of turn and deceleration.

01:47:07.000 I think we may be talking about two different things, though.

01:47:09.000 No, I'm not.

01:47:10.000 I'm talking about the things that have been seen.

01:47:11.000 But you're talking about things that have been seen in space.

01:47:14.000 No, I'm talking about things that have been.

01:47:16.000 At Area 51.

01:47:17.000 At Area 51 and also all over the world that have been documented moving in this way.

01:47:22.000 Those are moving, and I'm quoting actually General de Brouwer of the Belgian Air Force Chief, who said this is outside the envelope of any conventional aerodynamic system.

01:47:32.000 I'm not questioning that, but what I am saying is that the things that I've seen as far as videos from Area 51 with these unidentified objects, whatever they were, moving across the sky, they weren't moving that fast.

01:47:44.000 They were moving conventional speeds.

01:47:46.000 Oh, that's conventional.

01:47:47.000 Well, so that could be, but I'm talking about the things that I know that have been imaged out there, including a daytime object.

01:47:54.000 We have a great video.

01:47:56.000 What is this video that you're showing us, Brian?

01:47:57.000 What was that?

01:47:58.000 This is 49 quadcopters in an outdoor formation flight.

01:48:05.000 Oh, okay.

01:48:06.000 Let me see that.

01:48:06.000 It's a pretty badass video.

01:48:08.000 These are conventional...

01:48:13.000 Aren't these?

01:48:15.000 I'm not sure.

01:48:16.000 Are they DARPA?

01:48:17.000 Is this DARPA shit?

01:48:18.000 No, this is ours electronic.

01:48:21.000 Oh, yeah.

01:48:23.000 Well, actually, you can buy a little miniature.

01:48:25.000 Pull it down so we can see.

01:48:26.000 If you've never seen this, what they can do now is really extraordinary.

01:48:31.000 I mean, this is all these drones moving.

01:48:35.000 Or what do you call them?

01:48:36.000 They're just like little toys almost.

01:48:38.000 Yeah, they are.

01:48:39.000 But I'm sure a lot of people saw this in the sky.

01:48:41.000 I was like, oh my God, what the fuck is that?

01:48:43.000 And called it, you know, UFOs.

01:48:44.000 Yeah, look how they move.

01:48:46.000 I mean, this is really amazing stuff.

01:48:47.000 They move in a geometric pattern in the sky that mimics galaxies.

01:48:52.000 Cool.

01:48:52.000 All right.

01:48:53.000 So we know that there's some things that, I mean, these are obviously terrestrial crafts.

01:48:57.000 This is something, look what they're doing.

01:48:58.000 I mean, that's amazing.

01:49:00.000 This is not UFOs.

01:49:02.000 This is identified flying.

01:49:04.000 I mean, not everything that people see that they don't know what it is is a UFO.

01:49:07.000 I mean, it's unidentified to them, and it may be flying.

01:49:11.000 But, you know, I'm talking about things that are really quite amazing, like this one photograph we have of this triangle that's going like this and then makes a right-hand turn and goes, and it's going in.

01:49:20.000 Is it a photograph or a video?

01:49:22.000 Photo.

01:49:23.000 Can we see this somewhere?

01:49:26.000 I don't know where it's going to be in the film.

01:49:29.000 It's going to be in the film, but it's available online, isn't it?

01:49:31.000 I mean, it must be.

01:49:33.000 I don't know.

01:49:34.000 How long has this been around for?

01:49:36.000 I'll have to look it up.

01:49:38.000 I don't have the cut of the film in here, but this is one, there are a number of these.

01:49:42.000 But this is a very compelling piece of evidence.

01:49:43.000 It's a piece of amazing film.

01:49:44.000 Why wouldn't you put that online immediately and say, hey, you've got to look at this?

01:49:48.000 This is a compelling piece of evidence.

01:49:49.000 I think it is online somewhere.

01:49:50.000 But I mean, I just can't tell you where.

01:49:54.000 We have thousands of pages on our website.

01:49:56.000 If you go to seriousdisclosure.com, you can click through and there's a whole photo gallery and all kinds of stuff.

01:50:01.000 Oh, really?

01:50:01.000 Okay, go ahead.

01:50:02.000 But I don't know if this particular one is in that photo gallery.

01:50:04.000 But for example, you look at the Vancouver Island photograph of a few years ago.

01:50:09.000 I think it was in the 80s.

01:50:10.000 Daytime disc with a dome.

01:50:13.000 It is not photoshopped.

01:50:15.000 It was studied at NASA Ames.

01:50:17.000 It's probably the clearest photograph ever taken, broad daylight.

01:50:21.000 And, you know, what is that?

01:50:23.000 Well, you know, it's just like these ones from Belgium where you have these photographs of these big triangular objects and they're photo and video of those matching up with radar cases and jet pilots chasing them.

01:50:33.000 I'm talking about those kind of things.

01:50:36.000 There's actually more than people can imagine that's out there.

01:50:39.000 Okay, so there's enough of these things where if you look at, I believe Micho Kaku said 5% of all UFO sightings are completely unexplainable, define the laws of physics, and may possibly be, in his opinion, something that we don't understand.

01:50:56.000 It could be possibly.

01:50:57.000 Yeah, that's the one I'm talking about.

01:50:58.000 The other stuff, yeah.

01:50:59.000 What do you think they're doing here?

01:51:02.000 Yeah, it's a $64 trillion question.

01:51:07.000 I think there are a number of things.

01:51:08.000 Number one, I don't think it's new at all.

01:51:12.000 I don't think there's a new phenomenon.

01:51:14.000 There's enough material out there from ancient times that would indicate that these objects have been around since recorded history.

01:51:21.000 I mentioned this earlier in the show.

01:51:23.000 But secondly, I think at this stage of our evolution, these civilizations are rather concerned about our potential to destroy this planet and ourselves, but also the fact we're going into space.

01:51:35.000 We have not become peaceful.

01:51:37.000 And in our classified projects, we have things way beyond the International Space Station.

01:51:42.000 So we could become an existential threat to other planets potentially.

01:51:46.000 So I think that there is a concern about that.

01:51:49.000 And I think that, you know, there are all these movies, you know, Battle Los Angeles and Independence Day and blah, blah, blah.

01:51:55.000 Avatar, the other way.

01:51:56.000 You know, and it's such, to me, it's like, okay, yeah, it's like when I went to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base where they had the blue room that Barry Goldwater tried, Senator Goldwater tried to get in.

01:52:08.000 Hanger 18, yeah.

01:52:09.000 Yeah, well, it wasn't that.

01:52:10.000 But the thing is, is that Yeah, but it's a different thing at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base?

01:52:17.000 Right, it was called the Blue Room.

01:52:18.000 Is that where supposedly the Roswell wreckage was?

01:52:20.000 Yeah, the Air Material Command.

01:52:22.000 And then when I was there.

01:52:23.000 That, by the way, very compelling piece of evidence that there might have been something serious going on other than a weather balloon, the fact that two separate planes were used to send this wreckage because in case one of them went down, it was so historically significant.

01:52:36.000 I have that newspaper, the Roswell Daily Record.

01:52:40.000 I have that page on my wall in my house.

01:52:43.000 And I look at it all the time.

01:52:44.000 It's a fascinating...

01:52:52.000 Before they pulled it back.

01:52:54.000 It's amazing because that's a big statement.

01:52:58.000 You look at all the things they could have been wrong about, like, oh, it could have been something else.

01:53:03.000 But the fact that they came out and said it's a crashed disc, that had never been done before.

01:53:09.000 That really was one of the first.

01:53:11.000 I think some heads rolled over that press release, because they had to pull it back.

01:53:16.000 Well, then they did that ridiculous dog and pony show where they brought out this shitty-looking aluminum.

01:53:21.000 Yeah, it kind of looks like a Mylar thing.

01:53:23.000 It's hilarious.

01:53:24.000 And the government, I've always, I mean, if you just look at the history of deception that the government has in dealing with the American public from the get-go, and whether it's with the Gulf of Tonkin incident or whether it's what happened with the Contras and the Sandinistas using taxpayer dollars and black ops from selling cocaine in the ghettos of Los Angeles to fund rebel armies, if you just look, you've got to know they're not telling the truth.

01:53:24.000 That's quite hilarious.

01:53:50.000 Why would they tell the truth?

01:53:51.000 If it was just a weather balloon, would they really put on this fucking dog and pony show where they'd have a general sit there or was it colonel, whoever it was, on his knees pointing out all the rebels?

01:54:01.000 Look at this.

01:54:02.000 This just wreckage.

01:54:03.000 Well, that's what Colonel Corso said.

01:54:03.000 Right.

01:54:06.000 There's no question that this was something very legitimate.

01:54:08.000 And in fact, you know, when Barry Goldwater, Senator Goldwater, who had McCain's seat before John McCain took it in Arizona, I was at his home some years ago, and he had left the Senate.

01:54:21.000 And he told me, he said, look, he says, it was a goddamn mistake then.

01:54:25.000 It's a goddamn mistake now that this was ever kept secret.

01:54:28.000 But he was an Air Force Reserve General and he told me, Senator Goldwater said, look, I asked Curtis LeMay, General LeMay, to get me into the blue room at Wright-Patterson because I wanted to see this stuff because he had heard reports from other pilots about UFO encounters.

01:54:43.000 And Senator Goldwater told me that Curtis LeMay said, look, Barry, I can't even get into that area anymore.

01:54:51.000 And if you ever ask me about this again, I will personally see that you are court-martialed out of the Air Force Reserves.

01:54:58.000 This to a sitting senator and a guy who'd run for president, of course, in 1965.

01:55:03.000 I wish I knew whether or not that actually happened.

01:55:05.000 Yeah, no, that's an amazing, amazing.

01:55:08.000 I love those stories.

01:55:09.000 Well, I was sitting there with the senator, and I have a guy who was there with me.

01:55:13.000 And when I asked him, was Curtis LeMay serious?

01:55:18.000 He said, yeah, like a heart attack.

01:55:20.000 He says, I never brought it up again.

01:55:22.000 And so the question becomes, you know, when you have someone like Curtis LeMay who admits, and if you Google who he was, who admits to the fact that at a certain point even he was being kind of sidelined in terms of access of this information and then threatens and says something like that to a sitting powerful U.S. Senator, that they were good friends.

01:55:44.000 I mean, they were buddies.

01:55:46.000 You know, there's something going on here.

01:55:48.000 And I've heard too many accounts like that from these sorts of people.

01:55:52.000 And I think it's time for people to understand that, you know, ruthless people are out there and they do this sort of stuff.

01:56:02.000 So, you know, when what happened for the last 60 years continues to go on and on and on, the people who try to move into this, who are politicians, end up hitting the same buzzsaw that Senator Goldwater did.

01:56:19.000 These incredibly powerful, technologically advanced beings that come here from another planet and are concerned with the fact that we've developed the power to blow ourselves up but yet lack the understanding, the intellect, or the spiritual capacity to recognize what the dangers and the repercussions of those actions would be.

01:56:39.000 Is anybody communicating with them?

01:56:41.000 Does anybody have a message from them?

01:56:43.000 Is there anything that they say will be done if we keep fucking around?

01:56:48.000 I mean, is there like any doctrine that they're trying to push on us?

01:56:58.000 Oh, I don't know if there's any doctrine.

01:57:00.000 I think they're waiting for us to reach, you know, mentioned this physicist, you know, a level one civilization or a level two, where we begin to behave in a halfway civilized way so that we could be quite open in our contact.

01:57:13.000 But I think everyone always says, well, why don't they just land on the White House lawn or something?

01:57:18.000 Whose White House?

01:57:18.000 I said, yeah, right.

01:57:20.000 Right.

01:57:20.000 Humans are because we rule.

01:57:22.000 Yeah, right.

01:57:22.000 It's America.

01:57:23.000 Fuck yeah.

01:57:24.000 Yeah.

01:57:24.000 So maybe the White House in Bogota, Colombia.

01:57:28.000 I think the question turns the whole issue upside down.

01:57:35.000 What do we have to do as a people and a civilization to be able to go into space and have open contact with these civilizations quite in an overt way as opposed to episodic way?

01:57:50.000 And I think that requires us to begin to behave peacefully.

01:57:53.000 It certainly requires that we not begin to weaponize space and that we stop doing things that are incredibly self-destructive.

01:58:00.000 But the idea that they're going to land here and force, it's like us going to Afghanistan and think we're going to impose Jeffersonian democracy on a medieval feudal society. 0.84

01:58:10.000 Really?

01:58:11.000 That never has worked.

01:58:12.000 So I think these civilizations are smart enough to know that that isn't the way this is going to happen.

01:58:17.000 But the problem is that I kind of think we're running out of time to get some things right, things that should have been fixed 100 years ago, like living together peacefully, bringing out these technologies so we don't destroy the biosphere, eliminating poverty in the world.

01:58:32.000 You know, 48% of the public doesn't have a pot to pee in.

01:58:36.000 Literally, they don't have indoor plumbing on this planet.

01:58:39.000 48% of the 7 billion people.

01:58:40.000 A lot of people don't know that.

01:58:41.000 So, you know, I think that until we begin to fix some of these larger problems, and the good news about all this is that it's fixable and the means, the technologies to do that are already in existence.

01:58:55.000 So if they're already in existence, and this science has been studied and suppressed and studied and suppressed for decades, it means that we as a people have to come together and say, all right, we're going to do this.

01:59:06.000 And I think this is why the sort of, I hate to use the word activist or advocacy part of what we're doing, is that people are always expecting someone else to do this.

01:59:18.000 And I think people have to say, no, each of us have to be responsible for the planet and for our future and kind of creating a good future.

01:59:27.000 You can't look to Big Brother to do it, and I don't Think you should look to the ETs to do it.

01:59:32.000 It's not that they're not going to help us if we at some point we reach a point of being functional as opposed to dysfunctional.

01:59:39.000 But I think the prime movers have to be the people, we the people.

01:59:43.000 And in my mom's family, we're some of the original people in the American Revolution.

01:59:47.000 In fact, terrible to say we were some of the first prisoner of war with the British.

01:59:53.000 But I think about the fact that, you know, here you had this ragtag bunch of people in the American Revolution taking on the most powerful Navy, most powerful empire in the world at the time, the British Empire.

02:00:05.000 I think people have to see that within the human spirit, we have the means to do this.

02:00:10.000 And a lot of people give too much power to where I don't think it should be provided, to these covert groups and these sort of cartels.

02:00:19.000 I think, again, I'm getting back to this idea of empowerment where we have exactly the power we're willing to manifest and no more.

02:00:27.000 But if we're going to sit on our hands and expect someone else to do it, we're in trouble.

02:00:31.000 And there's been too much of that.

02:00:32.000 And there needs to be, I guess, some moral courage here.

02:00:36.000 And this is what sickened me about the politics of the media and all these scandals, like you were talking about with Petraeus.

02:00:43.000 And during the Clinton era, the Monica Lewinsky thing, I call it the blowjob heard around the world. 0.99

02:00:50.000 It's just so much nonsense.

02:00:52.000 Whereas these big issues are the moral issues, as I see it.

02:00:56.000 Well, I think if you look at us as a being, as an entity, and our progress on this planet, it's so staggering over such a short period of time that I think our minds, our ability to pass down information, all of these things lag behind.

02:01:17.000 We're essentially waking up in the middle of history.

02:01:21.000 As a race of beings, humans, we are waking up in the middle of a massive amount of momentum.

02:01:28.000 As you're born, you are born into a race that is moving in an incredibly powerful direction that it's very hard to stop.

02:01:37.000 And it's also the same animal that just 20,000, 30,000, go back as far as you want, where we were essentially tribal monkey people.

02:01:47.000 I mean, that's all of those instincts that allowed us to get to 2013 are all encoded in our genome.

02:01:54.000 All of those instincts, all of those reward systems are all encoded.

02:01:58.000 And all of those reward systems, whether you look back to Napoleon or Genghis Khan or look at any war figure, any dominator throughout human history, the people in power have always tried to keep in power and suppress others.

02:02:15.000 And they do.

02:02:16.000 But I think also, if you look at the power of technology to overwhelm everything, including the head spook of the CIA.

02:02:24.000 I mean, he was essentially overwhelmed by email.

02:02:27.000 That's what took him over.

02:02:28.000 I mean, it was the FBI looking into things, but essentially it was all done through electronic means.

02:02:34.000 It was all done through...

02:02:40.000 They're spies.

02:02:41.000 And the National Security Agency even better.

02:02:47.000 In my opinion, when I look at human history and I look at where, just try to extrapolate.

02:02:53.000 When I try to extrapolate where we're going, it seems to me that it's all symbiotically connected to technology.

02:02:59.000 And that seems unavoidable.

02:03:01.000 That's why I have such a hard time with the idea of someone creating some zero-point energy thing that people aren't looking into.

02:03:09.000 Enough people know about what Tesla was working on.

02:03:12.000 Enough people are fascinated by the ideas of wormholes.

02:03:16.000 And I just would think that more people would be involved in this and that the government with all its shady, nefarious arms, wouldn't be able to put out all of those fires.

02:03:26.000 But a lot of it's self-censoring.

02:03:27.000 For example, I'll give you a really good example.

02:03:29.000 There was an academic guy that I was talking to recently, and he was wanting to push into this issue.

02:03:36.000 And basically, he was told, no, you're not going to do it at this university because this is violating the second law of thermodynamics and blah, blah, blah.

02:03:44.000 You know, in a rational world, which is what you're talking about, I would agree with you.

02:03:49.000 But we don't live in a rational world.

02:03:51.000 We live in a world where there are a lot of emotions and power hierarchies and all kinds of dysfunctions.

02:03:57.000 And so you have to factor that into the equation.

02:04:01.000 And I don't think you can underestimate the reach of the national security state, not just here but around the world, to put out these fires no matter how many times they try to surface, unless it's done in a very large way.

02:04:15.000 And I didn't believe that.

02:04:17.000 And I've learned the hard way trying to do it in a smaller fashion from the story I told you about this scientist who works in a skiff down near the Huntsville Space Flight Center, Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville.

02:04:31.000 And I think what we are going to have to do is organize an effort that is very much outside of government and mainstream corporations and even academia.

02:04:42.000 Because academia, if you have never been in it, is so political.

02:04:46.000 I mean, you know, you touch these sort of issues and it's the end of your career.

02:04:52.000 I'll give you a great story in terms of other institutions.

02:04:55.000 You know, the National Science Foundation is a very big player in global warming studies and all this kind of stuff.

02:05:01.000 And the deputy director of that, Dr. Bob Carell and I had a long meeting with another person who was one of the five directors of NASA back some years ago.

02:05:12.000 And he was very interested in exactly what you're talking about, these sciences and studies.

02:05:15.000 And I said, look, we need some people at the National Science Foundation to really take this on as an area of research, development, funding, et cetera.

02:05:25.000 He says, it'd be the end of my career if I did this.

02:05:29.000 I said, well, it's the future of the Earth or your career.

02:05:32.000 What are you going to choose?

02:05:33.000 Let's choose the Earth and our future.

02:05:36.000 But the truth is everyone puts their pants on one leg at a time.

02:05:39.000 And a lot of folks are not going to jeopardize their careers and their income.

02:05:42.000 A very famous astronomer who worked with Carl Sagan was at our meetings in 1997 that we did for Congress.

02:05:50.000 And after he did that with us, he was told if he ever wanted to be published again, write again, or have a career in astronomy, he'd have to leave this issue alone.

02:05:59.000 So he was directly threatened, and he begged me to keep going forward, but that he couldn't be part of it.

02:06:06.000 And so I think that most people don't realize that this happens every day.

02:06:10.000 And it's kind of a miracle that this many military and corporate and intelligence people came together this far.

02:06:18.000 But I won't even begin to tell you what we've gone through trying to get this far.

02:06:21.000 It's been very difficult.

02:06:22.000 And so for every person you hear about and that you see in this film series or in the Disclosure Project, there are 100 that have given me the information and even documents and intelligence, but they don't want to come out and be identified.

02:06:38.000 So there's a lot of fear of either reprisals, but also just the ridicule factor.

02:06:44.000 You know, I have a document from 1953 from the CIA that talked about engaging Disney studios to make cartoonish movies about this issue so that it would be the butt of jokes.

02:06:55.000 And this document talks about the psychological warfare value of the subject.

02:07:00.000 So, you know, people are sort of like, you know, in middle school where you're worried about what are people going to think about me if I say I think this is real?

02:07:07.000 Are you going to lose credibility if you're a doctor or a physicist or an engineer or a politician?

02:07:11.000 Is it part of Project Blue Book?

02:07:12.000 Wasn't that a prediction?

02:07:13.000 No, no, no, no.

02:07:16.000 This actually predated that when they were first coming together with how do we manage this because it's hidden in plain sight.

02:07:21.000 People are going to see these objects.

02:07:23.000 There's no way to really sanitize it.

02:07:26.000 You know, people think you can really get rid of this.

02:07:28.000 Well, you can if there's a certain number of people seeing this all the time who are highly credible.

02:07:32.000 So, but if you create an environment where it's ridiculous and you're considered a kook or this or that, if you're identified with it, or you'll be governor moonbeam or senator space cadet or something,

02:07:50.000 and this is one of the real problems, is that the subject has been so ridiculed and there's so much ridiculous stuff out there on the subject that's provably nonsensical that credible people really have to swallow hard.

02:08:03.000 I have to tell you, the scientists that are at this major Ivy League University doing the work on this little body, this humanoid type body, you know, it's a big, big thing for them to be working on this.

02:08:18.000 And it's even a bigger thing that they're going to go on the record about their findings.

02:08:22.000 So when are they going to do this?

02:08:24.000 In the next, well, you'll see on April 22nd, come to the premiere.

02:08:28.000 I'll come to the premiere, but on April 22nd, what if no one has made some sort of a public statement?

02:08:34.000 No Ivy League scientists are going to.

02:08:36.000 So you're promising between now and April 22nd there'll be some sort of a reveal.

02:08:40.000 We'll have some press releases.

02:08:41.000 Major institution, scientists of credible history will step forward and say, hey, this is something extraordinary.

02:08:50.000 We don't know what they're going to say.

02:08:51.000 They're still doing the run on the genome.

02:08:53.000 Well, it's extraordinary if it's real.

02:08:55.000 It's real.

02:08:56.000 Okay, let me put that to rest right now.

02:08:57.000 You touched it.

02:08:59.000 I've touched it.

02:09:00.000 We have the CAT scans.

02:09:01.000 We have the reports from these top scientists.

02:09:03.000 The only thing left that we're doing is running the genome, which is the whole genome.

02:09:08.000 So the scientists have said that it's absolutely of biological origin, that it's not like my werewolf.

02:09:13.000 No.

02:09:14.000 It's not a rubber.

02:09:15.000 No, this we absolutely know.

02:09:17.000 And you can put that to rest.

02:09:19.000 Has this damaged your credibility in life?

02:09:22.000 I mean, have you suffered because of this in any way, shape, or form?

02:09:25.000 Sure.

02:09:26.000 Of course.

02:09:26.000 In what way?

02:09:27.000 Every way.

02:09:28.000 Yeah.

02:09:28.000 Yeah?

02:09:29.000 It's been the hardest thing.

02:09:30.000 You know, I tell people the worst days in the ER where I held a three-year-old that died in my arms, this has been harder.

02:09:36.000 So, you know.

02:09:37.000 It's harder than the death of a little baby, really?

02:09:40.000 Yeah, the stuff we've had to deal with.

02:09:42.000 Like, in what way?

02:09:43.000 Horrible stuff.

02:09:44.000 I don't really want to go into it.

02:09:45.000 I mean, we probably don't have time, but every nasty thing that can be done has been done or attempted to be done to many of us, and particularly to us, my family, and not my family so much as targeting me with nastiness, just unbelievable.

02:10:07.000 Ridicule.

02:10:08.000 No, there's no beyond that.

02:10:09.000 Threatening that.

02:10:11.000 People threaten you to what?

02:10:12.000 Stop talking about UFOs?

02:10:15.000 You know, problems that we've had with a lot of security problems.

02:10:19.000 I mean, there's an FBI file open on this because of the death threats and this stuff we've had.

02:10:24.000 Really?

02:10:25.000 And so you think these death threats are from these people that you're exposing that are in the cabal of this industry?

02:10:30.000 Well, who knows where they're coming from?

02:10:31.000 You could just say it was some nutjob, like the people who shot up the Sikh temple. 0.99

02:10:37.000 Our director's family, as you know, his father was murdered horribly at this thing.

02:10:42.000 But I'm just saying that it's a lot easier being an emergency doctor than dealing with this issue when you know it's real and you're dealing with this level of intelligence in the CIA.

02:10:54.000 Has this affected your career?

02:10:56.000 Yeah, I've left medicine.

02:10:57.000 Not because I had to.

02:10:58.000 No, but because I had to choose, how do I put this?

02:11:03.000 You only have 24 hours in a day.

02:11:05.000 And, you know, at a certain point, I had to decide I'm either going to continue as a physician or I'm going to go full steam on this.

02:11:16.000 Now, of course, it was a big sacrifice for my family.

02:11:18.000 I was giving up hundreds of thousands of dollars a year as a doctor to do this for nothing.

02:11:22.000 All right?

02:11:23.000 So it's been difficult.

02:11:25.000 So that's why I'm saying it's been difficult in every way.

02:11:27.000 But that's not important.

02:11:28.000 I'm not important.

02:11:29.000 But it isn't.

02:11:29.000 No, but stop.

02:11:30.000 It is important.

02:11:31.000 And it's a tremendous sacrifice, especially because it's something that you really truly believe in.

02:11:37.000 How do you support yourself now?

02:11:39.000 Well, I have enough resourcefulness.

02:11:44.000 Before I left medicine, I bought my home and I'd saved enough and invested enough that I'm okay.

02:11:51.000 And then I have a little bit of income from some of the books and things, but I mean, it's very modest compared to what I would have been making.

02:11:58.000 I probably, in the aggregate, have given up around somewhere in the neighborhood of $5 million to $6 million in income doing this, which I actually don't regret at all because I don't care about the money.

02:12:12.000 I hate when people say that.

02:12:13.000 I hate when people say that.

02:12:14.000 No, I really don't.

02:12:15.000 I mean, this is why, you know, now this, you'll probably strain credulity here, but a former head of Army intelligence approached me in 1992 and offered me the kind of control over a $2 billion fund if I would shut up and close down the disclosure project in CSETI.

02:12:35.000 Control over a $2 billion fund with a B. To do what?

02:12:40.000 What did he want you to do?

02:12:41.000 He just basically, I could do anything with it so long as I would shut it up.

02:12:45.000 You could just go Big Pimpin, Giant Yacht, Ferrari.

02:12:48.000 Who knows?

02:12:49.000 No more Dr. Greer.

02:12:50.000 And then, you know, when I said, no, I'm not going to do that because I really believe that this issue needs to be dealt with properly.

02:12:57.000 the guy went to my wife and tried to convince her to convince me.

02:13:00.000 And this is a kind of nonsense.

02:13:04.000 Yes, he wanted me to merge what we were doing with some operation he had, which would have basically subsumed it and co-opted it.

02:13:12.000 And I said no.

02:13:14.000 And then he made another run, and I said no.

02:13:17.000 And then about a month after that, all over the internet, it came out that I wasn't even a doctor.

02:13:21.000 Here I am in this emergency department, and it's a bunch of goons put out there that I'm not even an actual MD.

02:13:27.000 And I'm there, you know, up to my eyeballs and blood and guts in the ER, and this thing breaks.

02:13:32.000 So, you know, they do all kinds of disinformation and psychological warfare stuff on people.

02:13:38.000 But I don't really mind that that's happened.

02:13:41.000 What I'm more concerned about is the people who have the knowledge and responsibility who don't do the right thing.

02:13:49.000 Because there's no way that I can do this by myself.

02:13:51.000 And what I was really gratified to see, and I'm still gratified to see, is all these people, military men and women and others who've come forward very courageously.

02:14:03.000 Academics, like the ones doing the work on this potential little humanoid creature, which is a real creature, what it is, we don't know.

02:14:11.000 But it's a really courageous thing for these people to be doing that.

02:14:16.000 The people who led the charge in France to release all those documents, I know the backstory to that, that the public doesn't know.

02:14:24.000 And it was very controversial.

02:14:26.000 So, I mean, this is the kind of courage we need to get the truth out and to go forward as a civilization.

02:14:33.000 And so, you know, you can't buy it.

02:14:36.000 You've got to manifest it from inside.

02:14:36.000 You've got to have it.

02:14:38.000 Are you getting income from this?

02:14:41.000 You don't get any income from this?

02:14:41.000 No.

02:14:43.000 No.

02:14:43.000 This is, you know, and, you know, what's beautiful about Sirius, the movie, is that it was all crowdfunded.

02:14:50.000 No one on my team has taken any funds from it.

02:14:52.000 It's all gone into the production of the movie.

02:14:54.000 You don't even take a salary?

02:14:55.000 No.

02:14:56.000 No, it's all gone into the film.

02:14:56.000 Oh, no.

02:14:58.000 But you list expenses.

02:15:00.000 Don't you list $270,000 or something in expenses that you charge to create this film?

02:15:09.000 But that's the production company.

02:15:11.000 Because I'm not a filmmaker.

02:15:13.000 Don't ask me to turn on a camera.

02:15:15.000 We have to this production company.

02:15:17.000 And then, of course, we have to organize the premiere.

02:15:17.000 Yes.

02:15:20.000 And, of course, being crowdfunded, you have to fulfill all the incentives for the crowdfunding.

02:15:24.000 I don't know if you know how crowdfunding works, but I want to thank everyone who's listening, by the way, for the generation.

02:15:30.000 Yeah, we did Kickstarter and then our own private program.

02:15:32.000 And we have like 4,000 people who have contributed funds to this, which is really a huge number, folks.

02:15:39.000 And by the way, all of you folks who've done that, I just want to, can I say this?

02:15:43.000 The premiere is going to be here in Los Angeles on Earth Day, April 22nd, at the LA Live, the Regal LA Live Cinemas downtown, the Premier Theater.

02:15:55.000 And so that's April 22nd.

02:15:56.000 If you want to come, you can kind of sign up and get tickets at seriousdisclosure.com.

02:16:01.000 I'm writing that in my calendar right now.

02:16:02.000 I'm going to try to make that.

02:16:03.000 That sounds really fascinating.

02:16:05.000 Hey, tweet it for us, and you're invited to come.

02:16:07.000 You'll come as my guest.

02:16:08.000 Please.

02:16:08.000 I'll tweet the shit out of it.

02:16:10.000 I'd love to have you as my guest if you want.

02:16:11.000 I would love to go.

02:16:12.000 We're going to have a red carpet, and we're going to invite some other people here in Hollywood and in the business.

02:16:17.000 And it's going to be an exciting event.

02:16:20.000 I mean, the theater only holds 809 people, of which about half of those seats are already spoken for.

02:16:26.000 But those of you who want to come, just hop online.

02:16:29.000 And the system is set up so you can do it all digitally.

02:16:33.000 It's not going to be tickets at the door, though.

02:16:35.000 Okay.

02:16:36.000 What is this thing that you're doing where you lead people out into the desert and you have them make contact with something, ethereal crafts and beings?

02:16:49.000 What is that?

02:16:50.000 Well, that's the whole CE5 concept. 0.92

02:16:52.000 I was talking about Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind, that we're using these different protocols.

02:16:55.000 And by the way, there's a smartphone and an iPhone app for this that you can get at seriousdisclosure.com.

02:17:00.000 So that has all the, it'll actually turn your phone into a magnetometer.

02:17:05.000 It has the tones that were recorded in this crop circle of this weird energy that came into the crop circle.

02:17:10.000 I can get this on my phone right now.

02:17:11.000 Yes, you can do it.

02:17:12.000 What is it called?

02:17:13.000 It's called the contact app.

02:17:16.000 And it's at, you can go to seriousdisclosure.com and there's an icon there and you can link and it goes to either the iTunes store or the Android store.

02:17:29.000 And tell me what happens when you take these.

02:17:31.000 You'll take anyone out there?

02:17:32.000 Do they have to go through a screening process?

02:17:34.000 Yeah, there's an app.

02:17:35.000 I mean, it's a course.

02:17:36.000 We do about a week training of people in remote viewing and the protocols of contact and sort of the whole concept of it.

02:17:46.000 But also how to look at the night sky.

02:17:48.000 You go out with satellite charts.

02:17:49.000 We have fourth generation night scopes.

02:17:51.000 We have really good cameras.

02:17:54.000 And, you know, in fact, we're going to be doing one in Colorado in June in the high desert.

02:17:59.000 I have some land up there.

02:18:01.000 What is the actual name of this app?

02:18:03.000 Because there's a couple contact apps.

02:18:05.000 Well, again, you have to go to seriousdisclosure.com and there's a link there for it.

02:18:09.000 You know, the name of it will be on the app.

02:18:10.000 I'm going to use the site of your own app?

02:18:13.000 You know what?

02:18:14.000 I have so many irons in the fire.

02:18:15.000 I think it's called ET Contact app.

02:18:17.000 Oh, ET Contact app.

02:18:18.000 Let me try that.

02:18:19.000 ET Contact app.

02:18:21.000 So, and explain to me what happens here.

02:18:23.000 You have a course, and in this course, what do these people do?

02:18:28.000 The idea is that we want to teach you that.

02:18:30.000 That's right, that's your signal.

02:18:32.000 Yeah, that is.

02:18:33.000 That is.

02:18:36.000 I just bought your app.

02:18:37.000 Powerful.

02:18:38.000 Okay, so explain to me where would someone sign up for something like this?

02:18:43.000 Yeah, and we do these expeditions a few times a year.

02:18:47.000 I used to, you know, there are only about 20 people who are allowed to come now.

02:18:53.000 20 at a time?

02:18:54.000 Because I can't handle more than that for a week out in the desert or out in the mountains.

02:18:59.000 And I just don't have Time to do it more often than the four or five times a year that we do them.

02:19:03.000 So you essentially do it quarterly?

02:19:06.000 Well, yeah, the seasonally.

02:19:08.000 But the schedule is up at SearsDisclosure.com.

02:19:10.000 There's a place.

02:19:11.000 Where do you bring these people?

02:19:12.000 It just depends.

02:19:13.000 I mean, like, the next one's going to be in the high desert of Colorado at about 8,000 feet.

02:19:17.000 There's a remote area near the Great Sand Dunes that's had a lot of reports of UFOs and contact.

02:19:22.000 In fact, the film director and his crew were out there last June, a few months ago, in 2012, when we had this disc fly over, and then a jet came in to intercept it, and that's going to be in the film.

02:19:32.000 It's really cool.

02:19:33.000 You have a video of that or a photo of that?

02:19:35.000 Both.

02:19:36.000 Really?

02:19:36.000 So you have a video of this disc in the sky and then a jet approaching the disc.

02:19:41.000 It's probably coming out of Colorado Springs because it was coming out of that direction.

02:19:43.000 But yeah, it's really pretty cool.

02:19:45.000 And of course, I think when the director saw this, he went, oh, wow.

02:19:49.000 And who put this video together?

02:19:50.000 Who made it?

02:19:51.000 Who filmed it?

02:19:52.000 The film crew, the first series.

02:19:55.000 So you...

02:19:59.000 So you have this.

02:20:01.000 I want to make sure that I'm real clear on this.

02:20:03.000 You have thousands of these videos?

02:20:05.000 Well, there's one.

02:20:06.000 Yeah, if you go again to this website, you'll see that there's a section for the contact expeditions and the CE5 expeditions.

02:20:13.000 And a couple years ago, we were up on, there's a mountain north of here called Mount Shasta near the Oregon border in the Cascade Range.

02:20:21.000 And it's a volcanic mountain.

02:20:22.000 And we've gone up there a number of years, and we've had these objects that have appeared.

02:20:27.000 And one of them was actually in the field.

02:20:30.000 We had our night vision camera running.

02:20:32.000 And it lifted up and does this, and then does like this corkscrew and dematerialize in the sky.

02:20:37.000 We have this on videotape.

02:20:38.000 And it was during one of these expeditions, and it's a really amazing bit of video.

02:20:43.000 Is ball lightning a real phenomenon?

02:20:46.000 Oh, yeah, sure.

02:20:47.000 But that's not, this is clear skies, no weather.

02:20:47.000 Sure.

02:20:50.000 Coming up from the ground.

02:20:51.000 But doesn't ball lightning have something to do with – Piezoelectric.

02:21:03.000 Yeah, what is that?

02:21:04.000 No, well, that's very different also.

02:21:05.000 That'll be just sort of a discharge, like an electrical discharge from the side.

02:21:08.000 And that's from the rocks, and usually it's when there's quartz, the pressure of it and electromagnetic energy will build up and it will burst out.

02:21:15.000 But this is an object, and you can see it quite clearly.

02:21:18.000 And it's right at the edge of the speed of light because it's kind of coming in and out of this dimension.

02:21:22.000 It's a really great video.

02:21:24.000 And there were like 30, 40 people who saw this happen.

02:21:27.000 So we do this.

02:21:28.000 I've been doing this for 22 years.

02:21:30.000 And what are you showing up there, Brian?

02:21:34.000 What is that?

02:21:35.000 It was one of these objects that came over.

02:21:36.000 I think that was at Mount Shasta.

02:21:38.000 It's my laser, and it's this object that came right over.

02:21:38.000 I'm not sure.

02:21:41.000 And we also train people to always go out with satellite charts, so you know when the satellite is.

02:21:47.000 This is your footage of this thing flying in the sky?

02:21:50.000 Yep.

02:21:50.000 Whoa.

02:21:52.000 And that's your laser?

02:21:53.000 That's my, I have a big, you know, it's one of these.

02:21:55.000 I got one of those.

02:21:56.000 Yeah, it'll go.

02:21:57.000 It'll go 200 miles into space.

02:22:01.000 Now, when you were filming this, are you trying to contact them?

02:22:04.000 Like, what are you trying to do?

02:22:05.000 We had.

02:22:05.000 So we do the protocols where you do the remote viewing, set up the vector to show them where you are.

02:22:10.000 We play these electronic tones in the space and then have electronic field detectors out there.

02:22:15.000 So we'll have magnetic field detectors, various laser detectors, other electromagnetic spectrum.

02:22:21.000 And those will begin to go off.

02:22:23.000 And then we'll have an object fly over, like this object here that was right near us.

02:22:27.000 It comes right outside.

02:22:28.000 So what people have to understand is that if you have an object that is coming in and out of dimensions, it's not going to necessarily look like a 747 or even a flying saucer.

02:22:42.000 It's going to be in various energy forms.

02:22:44.000 And this is the weird sort of effect.

02:22:48.000 Most people don't understand that 99% of the time, an interstellar civilization doesn't have to be in linear space-time if they have that kind of physics.

02:22:57.000 So what happens when you go beyond the speed of light?

02:23:00.000 You're going to not have anything visible, but if you begin to have an energy discharge into an area of space, and it's very close to this dimension, it'll start to give off an energy field, our corona.

02:23:12.000 And so one of the witnesses we have was at a nuclear hot base out in Oklahoma back years ago, I think it was in the 70s.

02:23:20.000 And there was this object that was in the shape of a UFO, but it wasn't solid.

02:23:23.000 And it flew over what they call the hot, you know, where the jets were hot-loaded with nuclear weapons.

02:23:27.000 And the alarms went off.

02:23:29.000 But he says this thing was not solid like this is, like a rock salt.

02:23:34.000 It was, you could have walked right through it, but it was in the shape of a craft.

02:23:39.000 But it was shifted so that the matter was all energy.

02:23:43.000 And of course matter is energy.

02:23:44.000 So the physics behind this gets into some really arcane stuff, probably beyond the scope of the show.

02:23:50.000 But this is part of what we're teaching people when we take them out is how do these objects appear?

02:23:57.000 What might you see?

02:23:58.000 And I was talking to an actor here in town who had one of these happen near his home.

02:24:05.000 And it was very palpable, very real.

02:24:09.000 But it wasn't.

02:24:10.000 Can you tell us who the actor was?

02:24:12.000 We could tell you that there was it.

02:24:14.000 No, but there are a lot of people who've had these sort of experiences.

02:24:18.000 They don't want to talk about it because they're afraid of being ridiculed.

02:24:24.000 But when it was described to me, I said, oh yeah, that's classic.

02:24:28.000 Really?

02:24:29.000 I said, yeah.

02:24:30.000 Because if it's not a Lockheed Martin anti-gravity, and it really is ET, the weirder it is, the more likely it is to be ET.

02:24:40.000 And this gets into the whole question, what are you looking for?

02:24:44.000 So we train people to know kind of what to look for versus if experimental aircraft, normal aircraft, space objects and junk, satellites, and then the stuff that's the weird end of it.

02:24:58.000 So the weird end of it.

02:24:59.000 Yeah, the really cool stuff.

02:25:01.000 The really cool stuff.

02:25:02.000 You take these people, you bring them out to the high desert, you tune them into whatever frequency through whatever methods of meditation or what have you.

02:25:10.000 And these ships, are they just waiting for someone to email them, send them a signal?

02:25:16.000 You know what I think?

02:25:17.000 I think that they've actually been waiting a long time for people to do something besides just passively look at them.

02:25:23.000 Do they have to, but what I'm saying is, do they have to like load up the ship?

02:25:27.000 Hey, we got some fucking people in the desert.

02:25:29.000 Everybody, get on board.

02:25:30.000 Let's go, let's go, let's go.

02:25:32.000 Then how are you getting them to manifest the.

02:25:36.000 but how is anybody getting, how is this signal being recognized by them?

02:25:41.000 Because I'm quite convinced they have electronics that pick up on this, what we were talking about earlier, this conscious field of coherent thought.

02:25:48.000 And this is, again, the most controversial end of what I'm doing.

02:25:52.000 To me, it's the most interesting also.

02:25:54.000 You know, before I was a doctor, I was a meditation teacher.

02:25:57.000 I don't know if you know that.

02:25:59.000 No, I didn't know that.

02:26:00.000 What type of meditation?

02:26:01.000 Mantra and Vedic.

02:26:03.000 So I was Vedanta and Vedic meditation.

02:26:07.000 And I learned Sanskrit and learned to teach people meditation.

02:26:12.000 So that was my first sort of career.

02:26:15.000 If you can call it a career, it was an avocation as much as more an avocation.

02:26:22.000 And it was caused as a result of this near-death experience.

02:26:25.000 And I began to realize that really the thing that is most intriguing about all this is that free energy is like late 1800s to mid-1900s.

02:26:37.000 Anti-gravity, mid-40s to mid-50s.

02:26:41.000 The science of consciousness and the interface between mind and matter, mind and body, mind and thought and electromagnetic systems, that's the really cool stuff.

02:26:52.000 And that's, you know, to me, most people know me for the disclosure project and these other things, but to me, that's the most exciting part of it.

02:26:59.000 That is the frontier.

02:27:00.000 The final frontier is not space, it's consciousness.

02:27:03.000 So you take these people out, there's 20 of them, and you spend how many days out there?

02:27:10.000 It's usually six days and nights.

02:27:12.000 And so we go out during the day it's more a teaching module and teaching them remote viewing concepts, science of consciousness, other information they need to have.

02:27:26.000 Then we go out at night, usually from around sunset to one or so in the morning, sometimes two.

02:27:33.000 And we are out in the stars making observation, doing the remote viewing practice.

02:27:39.000 And then people go home and do it.

02:27:41.000 There's now something like 11 or 1,200 teams all over the world doing this that have picked up on this idea.

02:27:47.000 It's really a phenomenal thing.

02:27:49.000 And people are having amazing sightings and experiences all over the world.

02:27:52.000 There's a global CE5 initiative going on.

02:27:56.000 And it's really interesting.

02:27:58.000 When you keep saying CE5, mostly conversations.

02:28:00.000 It comes to the fifth kind, which is visual?

02:28:02.000 No.

02:28:03.000 What is the film?

02:28:03.000 Okay, let me explain to you.

02:28:04.000 I'm sorry.

02:28:05.000 Because I know the movie, the third kind.

02:28:07.000 Yeah, there's Steven Spielberg's movie.

02:28:09.000 That's how I know this.

02:28:11.000 And most people are probably like me.

02:28:12.000 They don't know.

02:28:12.000 Okay, and the fourth kind is when someone feels they've had contact and been on board.

02:28:16.000 The fifth kind is a term that I launched the concept of in 1990, which is when humans, instead of passively having, so all those others, close encounters of the first, second, third, and fourth kind, are passive because you're sort of either seeing it or it's a landing thing or what have you.

02:28:34.000 A close encounter of the fifth kind is when a human does something interactive.

02:28:38.000 So it's like, you know, it's like the internet versus something passive where you're actually making contact and inviting these civilizations to appear and make contact for a diplomatic purpose or where they interact.

02:28:53.000 And Dr. Haynes at NASA Ames put together a great book based on my initial research on this called Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind, CE5, where he collected cases.

02:29:06.000 We both collected cases, but he published this book some years ago about all these people who had done this.

02:29:14.000 And some of them were quite incidental.

02:29:15.000 For example, a craft is there and the person sees it and instead of just gaping, they actually signal to it with, say, a light and it signals back and comes over.

02:29:25.000 The more interesting ones are the ones I discovered, which is what happened to me when I was 18, where you see a craft and you just think, move to the left, it moves to the left, move to the right, move to the right.

02:29:35.000 And they're showing you that there's a link up between intent and thought and their electronics.

02:29:41.000 And that's the really cool stuff.

02:29:43.000 You ever read any Young, Carl Jung?

02:29:45.000 Yes.

02:29:46.000 What do you think on Carl?

02:29:47.000 He wrote a whole book on the physical manifestation of UFOs through the conscious thought.

02:29:53.000 Yeah, well, I mean, the world is as you are.

02:29:56.000 And it depends on the level of consciousness of the person reading what he wrote.

02:30:02.000 I think that a lot of people say, well, that means that everything is being manifested by your mind.

02:30:07.000 Well, but in a sense, all of reality is one conscious thought, if you want to get back into the whole all this is that concept of the Vedic.

02:30:15.000 But I think these are things when you have 30 or 40 people see it and it's interactive.

02:30:24.000 You know, that's a close encounter with the fifth kind.

02:30:26.000 So it's not your imagination doing that, particularly when you didn't get video.

02:30:31.000 I don't even think he was necessarily saying it's your imagination.

02:30:33.000 No, no, but he was, you know, a lot of people don't understand what he was saying.

02:30:36.000 And I think that he was really talking about some of a deeper aspect of what is mind.

02:30:41.000 What is mind?

02:30:41.000 Right.

02:30:42.000 What effect does consciousness have on physical matter?

02:30:45.000 Right, it's huge.

02:30:46.000 Yeah.

02:30:47.000 It's huge.

02:30:47.000 And in a sense, he could have almost been validating it without totally understanding the possibilities of contacting something, making something of that.

02:30:55.000 I agree.

02:30:56.000 That you seem to be convinced of and, in fact, teach people to do it.

02:31:00.000 I think that if you've got something like that, how is this not like on 2020 or whatever those stupid news shows are?

02:31:07.000 How are you not going out there?

02:31:10.000 Would you be willing to do that with a film crew?

02:31:12.000 Oh, we did with CBS.

02:31:13.000 Dan Rather had a show back years ago.

02:31:16.000 What was it called?

02:31:17.000 We went down to Mexico in Popo and we did this and a craft came up by the volcano, flew, and they were filming this with professional stuff and they ended up completely debunking it.

02:31:28.000 And even though the camera guy and the reporter who was there with me said, anyone who sees this will know this is real.

02:31:35.000 And CBS sanitized it.

02:31:37.000 And when I then said, look, you agreed in writing that any footage you get you would share with us if we did this expedition because we did it on our own expense, the person in charge there said, we're CBS and we're part of a corporation that has billions and we'll fight you forever.

02:31:52.000 You'll never get this footage.

02:31:53.000 Why would you need CBS though?

02:31:54.000 It seems like you'd be able to film something like that yourself in really high quality.

02:31:58.000 You don't need their footage.

02:31:59.000 But we do.

02:32:00.000 I mean, we have a certain amount.

02:32:01.000 I don't operate cameras, but we've had volunteers.

02:32:04.000 But we've never had professional crews with us.

02:32:06.000 And I mean, at some point, it'd be nice if we could do this in a professional way.

02:32:10.000 I have a crew.

02:32:11.000 I have a new show.

02:32:12.000 It's coming out on the sci-fi network.

02:32:13.000 Oh, really?

02:32:14.000 What's it called?

02:32:14.000 It's called Question Everything.

02:32:16.000 One of the things we could do.

02:32:17.000 Yeah.

02:32:18.000 And one of the things we're going to do is we're going to explore things like UFOs, Bigfoot.

02:32:23.000 I'm going to go to the Pacific Northwest and look for Bigfoot.

02:32:26.000 But I want to, I would love to.

02:32:29.000 Let's go to the Atacama Desert and see if we can find somebody.

02:32:31.000 Tell me where to go.

02:32:32.000 Let's go.

02:32:34.000 I would be more than happy to go and bring a professional crew and see if something like this can happen.

02:32:39.000 What kind of success rate do you have in doing this?

02:32:44.000 Well, you know, we've never actually gone out where there hasn't been some kind of a sighting or event happened that have been seen by everyone.

02:32:50.000 Never.

02:32:50.000 Really?

02:32:51.000 So it's 100%?

02:32:52.000 Not every night, not all the time, but you have something.

02:32:55.000 It's like a five or six day period.

02:32:56.000 And are these people camping out there?

02:32:58.000 No, no, no.

02:32:59.000 We don't stay.

02:33:00.000 Well, I mean, I guess if someone wanted to, we usually stay in condos or houses or something in the area.

02:33:04.000 We usually go to fairly remote areas that are quiet.

02:33:11.000 It's very hard to find locations where we're not going to be intruded upon.

02:33:14.000 And usually when we do this, we do have people who intrude.

02:33:18.000 And so we try to keep it so that the group can be coherent.

02:33:22.000 Because the whole concept of this is coherent thought and coherent mind.

02:33:26.000 And that's very difficult to do when you're being disrupted by a lot of folks.

02:33:31.000 Now, what if you pick 20 people to go, and how do you know that someone's not a loon?

02:33:36.000 You take some crackpot out of the city.

02:33:38.000 Oh, well, there have been.

02:33:39.000 No, usually the people, we have an application process.

02:33:42.000 And I'd say 99% of the time, they're just wonderful people.

02:33:47.000 And they're very sincerely interested in learning about this.

02:33:52.000 And I think the science of consciousness component of the whole what J. Allen Hyne called the high strangeness part of UFO encounters becomes very compelling for people who've had contact and understand that when you go beyond the speed of light between star systems, you're dealing with something that's way beyond your cell phone and a Ford Explorer.

02:34:18.000 And people who get that, who get out of the linear box and begin to look at that, and then begin to experiment with.

02:34:24.000 A lot of the people who come on these are people who have gotten the app or learned about it and they try this at home.

02:34:30.000 And they have an amazing sighting and encounter with a small group of people or a family.

02:34:35.000 And then they want to come and try and do it more.

02:34:37.000 So it's an exciting, to me that's the next phase of all this, is disclosure, bringing out the energy technologies.

02:34:47.000 But then it's about the public understanding that why doesn't everyone just go out under the stars instead of sitting and looking at television and try some experiments.

02:34:56.000 Experiment with thought and mind and light and tone and floating things in space.

02:35:03.000 Haven't you encountered things that are in closer proximity to the ground?

02:35:09.000 Oh, yeah, and some very odd photographs of what you might call transdimensional images that look like almost like a hologram of a being that floated right outside of our circle at Joshua Tree National Park, not too far from here, back a few years ago.

02:35:26.000 Photos of this thing?

02:35:27.000 Yep.

02:35:28.000 Yep.

02:35:28.000 Where can someone see that?

02:35:29.000 It's on the website, seriousdisclosure.com.

02:35:31.000 If you link to the CE5 part of it, there's a whole section of this strange, luminous thing.

02:35:38.000 And, you know, the photograph of that, it was a three or four second exposure.

02:35:43.000 And what was seen right before this happened, which is really important for people to understand, was something about half the size of the, about the size of my fist or a little bigger, that was like a sphere that floated over the desert in November of 2009.

02:35:58.000 And several people saw it.

02:36:00.000 And then we heard what sounded like a group of people talking.

02:36:04.000 But with our night sky, there's nothing there.

02:36:05.000 And then, so a woman on my team took her camera and just had a three or four second exposure, took a photograph, and in that area where this had happened, there was this beam that was...

02:36:23.000 No, because this would have been in a flash, but it's in the digital.

02:36:27.000 Is it possible that it's just an artifact?

02:36:28.000 No, it's not an artifact.

02:36:30.000 Why is that not possible?

02:36:30.000 Absolutely not.

02:36:31.000 I mean, flashes always produce artifacts.

02:36:33.000 They produce artifacts.

02:36:34.000 No, no, she did not use a flash.

02:36:34.000 No, no, no.

02:36:36.000 Oh.

02:36:37.000 It was visible.

02:36:42.000 We don't allow flash photography when we're out.

02:36:44.000 You've got to have good night scopes.

02:36:46.000 You have to have good cameras.

02:36:47.000 You can adjust the ISO and the aperture and all that.

02:36:50.000 Campfires?

02:36:52.000 No, we never have campfires.

02:36:53.000 There's a complete darkness.

02:36:56.000 The most you're going to see when we're out there is maybe an LED on a camera.

02:37:01.000 So whatever this thing was.

02:37:03.000 We know what it was.

02:37:04.000 You think it was.

02:37:05.000 Yeah, I'm very confident about what it was.

02:37:08.000 Have you ever been aboard a spaceship?

02:37:12.000 Well, you know, I've had some really amazing contact experiences that are classic.

02:37:20.000 And I had one when I was having this when I was 18 years old up on this mountain.

02:37:30.000 And it wasn't at all what you hear about in the literature because it was more in this transdimensional element area.

02:37:40.000 And that becomes the whole question is what part of what people are reporting is real and what part is memorex?

02:37:47.000 And this is something we haven't talked about yet.

02:37:50.000 But what is the capacity for the intelligence community to hoax contact?

02:37:55.000 And it's substantial.

02:37:57.000 Really?

02:37:57.000 Yeah.

02:37:58.000 You think a lot of people, they're hoaxing contact?

02:38:02.000 Yeah, for scaring the hell out of people.

02:38:04.000 Like in what way?

02:38:04.000 How do they do that?

02:38:07.000 One of the things we learned about a number of years ago is actually not something I discovered.

02:38:11.000 It was a man here who was looking into what are called military-related abductions that are made to look E.T. but aren't.

02:38:21.000 And you get into this whole question of what are they able to stage craft for its psychological warfare value.

02:38:28.000 And I have a document that's actually Going to be in the film, and it's from the Strategic Studies Institute talking about the staging of abductions and other scary things to create fear around the UFO issue.

02:38:39.000 So, they create an artificial spacecraft and abduct people?

02:38:42.000 Well, they may use what's called an ARV, an alien reproduction vehicle that's man-made.

02:38:47.000 They may use robotic things that are called PLFs, programmed life forms that are man-made but look very easy.

02:38:54.000 Programmed life forms.

02:38:55.000 Yeah, PLFs.

02:38:57.000 They have life forms that are like robots, essentially, that move around like people.

02:39:04.000 There are reports of that.

02:39:07.000 reports of that.

02:39:10.000 Oh, yeah.

02:39:10.000 I think Stan Romanek, if you look at the photograph he had of this thing, I think he was on Leary King or in some other shows, and this thing Boo that goes up and down.

02:39:19.000 He's got a photo, and then there's a video that he hasn't released, but I've seen it, and other people on his team have seen it.

02:39:25.000 And it's this very robotic-looking.

02:39:27.000 It looks like a quote alien, but we know it isn't.

02:39:30.000 I mean, so the question is, why would they want to do something like that?

02:39:34.000 I think if you can put enough information out there to scare people, why not scare people?

02:39:39.000 Well, it seems to me, though, that, look, the highest-level robotics experts in the world today are pretty open about their work because they're showing periodic improvements to the general public, like the DARPA robots, what they're doing in Japan.

02:39:56.000 No one has come anywhere close to doing something along those lines.

02:40:00.000 Not only that, they all have an external power source.

02:40:03.000 Well, but you're assuming that the things that you know about are all that they're in existence.

02:40:09.000 But it's like saying that because you haven't flown on one of Lockheed's or Northrop's anti-gravity devices, they don't have those either.

02:40:19.000 Do they have those?

02:40:20.000 They do.

02:40:20.000 Yes.

02:40:20.000 Absolutely.

02:40:21.000 100%.

02:40:21.000 Yes.

02:40:22.000 Ben Rich all but said so, you know, who's the head of Lockheed Skunk Works.

02:40:27.000 So these are a lot of the things that people will see out near the Nellis Range, or so-called Area 51, that are moving in these ways we were talking about earlier.

02:40:36.000 Those are man-made.

02:40:37.000 Those aren't E.T. And if you go all the way back to the 40s in Germany during World War II and after, they were doing a lot of experiments with things that do electromagnetic lifter effect.

02:40:51.000 And going back a little further, you look at T. Townsend Brown in late 1920s and then also the Klosky-Frost experiment, where they actually were able to create this effect of levitation and movement.

02:41:03.000 So, you know, again, there's a whole science here.

02:41:06.000 And in the open aerospace literature, in the late 40s and early 50s, they were saying the next big thing is gravity control and anti-gravity stuff and da-da-da-da-da.

02:41:15.000 And then it all went black.

02:41:17.000 You can't find it.

02:41:18.000 And one of the guys that I work with at the Naval Research Labs, which is the largest Department of Defense lab, told me that it was October of 54 when we really mastered gravity control and all those projects went black.

02:41:31.000 They just disappeared.

02:41:32.000 But up until then, you can go back and find, and there were in the literature, now the fact that you're an average person at MIT to know about this doesn't mean it didn't exist.

02:41:42.000 And I think that there's a whole history of aerospace and technology that's hidden.

02:41:48.000 Similarly, there's a whole history of robotics, genetics, biological studies, and what have you.

02:41:56.000 And that have also been very classified.

02:41:59.000 You are either one really nutty dude or you are a guy who has tapped into one of the craziest pieces of information that's being suppressed from the American public, and there's no room for a middle ground.

02:42:15.000 Well, I know that every word I'm telling you is true.

02:42:18.000 I believe you.

02:42:19.000 I believe that you believe that every word out of your mouth is true.

02:42:22.000 I do believe you.

02:42:24.000 But this whole thing is so, it so strains credibility.

02:42:28.000 Yeah, it does.

02:42:28.000 All of it does.

02:42:29.000 And you know what?

02:42:30.000 I was told years ago that if you really told the whole truth about this, that it'll hide itself because no one can believe it.

02:42:37.000 So, you know, it is kind of through the looking glass and down the rabbit hole on this subject.

02:42:43.000 And it's a real problem because how far do you go in terms of telling what you know and have discovered?

02:42:50.000 Well, it seems to me that you have tapped into like a way to show people.

02:42:55.000 Yeah, well, I mean, but who's looking?

02:42:57.000 I mean, it's like this FAA guy, John Callahan, who said, I've got the radar tapes, I've got the pilot reports, but who's looking and who's asking?

02:43:04.000 Right.

02:43:04.000 Well, not 2020.

02:43:06.000 You know, I mean, you asked about 2020.

02:43:08.000 The guy who's executive producer of that came out to my house.

02:43:11.000 I gave him 35 hours of digital stuff of all these top secret guys, all the documents, all this stuff.

02:43:17.000 He said, this is the biggest story.

02:43:19.000 It's either all a hoax or it's the biggest story in history.

02:43:22.000 I said, yeah, well, I think it's the latter.

02:43:25.000 And he says, I want to do this story.

02:43:26.000 I said, I don't think they'll let you.

02:43:29.000 And so we went back to corporate ABC.

02:43:31.000 And a couple weeks later, he said, Dr. Greer, they won't let me do this story.

02:43:37.000 I said, who are they, Ira?

02:43:39.000 And he said, well, you know who they are.

02:43:42.000 And I've had.

02:43:43.000 They're like, this is crazy, motherfucker.

02:43:43.000 These producers.

02:43:45.000 No, no, no.

02:43:46.000 This was the executive producer in charge of the show, both Primetime Live in 2020.

02:43:52.000 And he's now with 60 Minutes.

02:43:54.000 But I think that what...

02:43:57.000 What's his name?

02:43:58.000 Yeah, Ira Rosen.

02:43:59.000 I'd love to talk to him on the Question Everything show.

02:44:02.000 That'd be fascinating.

02:44:04.000 Well, you know, I think that this is the other big myth is that when you start dealing with the big media, that it's a free media.

02:44:11.000 It's free to a point.

02:44:12.000 I mean, it's no problem if you want to drill down on someone's sex scandal.

02:44:16.000 But if you really want to deal with this issue, there's going to be a phone call.

02:44:19.000 And, you know, one of the documents that's up on our website, I wrote an article called Media Play, and in it is a document I got from the 1990s from the CIA that talks about how the CIA had embedded in all the major media people to change, alter, or stop stories.

02:44:40.000 And this is an official document.

02:44:42.000 So, you know, if the public listening out there think we really have a free market and a free media, you know, wake up.

02:44:48.000 This is simply not the case.

02:44:49.000 So I think that one of the challenges we've had is that it's kind of an article of faith that if all this were true, wouldn't the media just really want to cover this?

02:45:04.000 And I say, yeah, there are some really good people in the media who've wanted to, but they're not allowed to.

02:45:10.000 And so then there's a way, who controls the big media?

02:45:13.000 I'm not talking about your show.

02:45:15.000 Yeah, because how many shows are out there dedicated to looking for UFOs?

02:45:18.000 There seems like there's quite a bit, and those shows are owned by big media companies and networks that promote these shows.

02:45:26.000 You think it's just bullshit, and what they're doing is paying lip service to it and not really looking, and they're just covering the controversial aspects of it to get viewers?

02:45:34.000 Yes, I think a lot of it's shock and drivel and bread and circus.

02:45:37.000 And I think that you then asked the question of, you know, years ago when I was on Larry King and afterwards I got this note from his producer said, you know, this is one of the most popular shows we've ever had.

02:45:47.000 And so if it was just about ratings and just about whether there was anything legitimate there to cover, this would be in the news all the time.

02:45:54.000 So there's something weird going on here because they'll cover all kinds of sensationalistic nonsense.

02:46:01.000 But, you know, you have dozens of top secret witnesses, you have legitimate government documents, you have photographs, video, or you have teams like ours going out having these sort of experiences.

02:46:10.000 That isn't covered.

02:46:11.000 You have to ask the question, why?

02:46:13.000 And I think the wonderful thing about Epic 2013 that didn't exist five or ten years ago, Twitter, Facebook, video on demand, you know, you don't have to go to a big distributor.

02:46:26.000 And actually, by the way, we're planning to distribute this film at the night of the premiere.

02:46:31.000 Maybe we'll live stream it if we can figure out how to do it.

02:46:34.000 Maybe you can help us.

02:46:35.000 I'd be happy to.

02:46:36.000 We need help with it, actually.

02:46:38.000 Because we're actually out of funds to do this production.

02:46:40.000 Brad, you stream.

02:46:41.000 Yeah.

02:46:41.000 We'll live stream the shit out of this bitch.

02:46:43.000 Yeah.

02:46:44.000 And so what we want to do at the premiere is live stream it and then have the thing, and then it'll be VOD, video on demand, so that there's no chokeholds in the big media.

02:46:51.000 And then you couldn't have done that five or ten years ago with any kind of value.

02:46:55.000 Now you can do high definition.

02:46:56.000 You can do really good, good video on demand.

02:46:59.000 And we're going to do this so that everyone can sign up to be an affiliate distributor.

02:47:04.000 So that basically, if you want to distribute the show, you can distribute it.

02:47:09.000 And the people who see it, you know, there'll be a small fee to see it.

02:47:13.000 And then you'll have part of that.

02:47:15.000 And you just build that out.

02:47:16.000 Because what we want to do is make this thing go viral so that we don't get into the chokeholds of the big media.

02:47:23.000 Because, you know, my experience with it is that I'm very, very skeptical of the big media doing anything with this until they have to.

02:47:34.000 And then it becomes where, oh, there's too much noise out there.

02:47:37.000 We have to give it a little bit of lip service and then we'll take it off again.

02:47:40.000 So that's why, by the way, that's why we did this crowdfunding for this.

02:47:44.000 It was that we really wanted the people to have a stake in it and to move the film serious forward.

02:47:50.000 Because if you went to a studio or a group of investors, you don't know what they're going to do with it if they control it.

02:47:56.000 This way, the people own it. 0.92

02:47:59.000 Well, listen, man, this is a fascinating subject.

02:48:02.000 Like I said, it's one of my personal interests and it has been since I was a small child.

02:48:09.000 And to talk to you was a real treat.

02:48:10.000 I really appreciate it.

02:48:11.000 I really, really appreciate it.

02:48:12.000 You put your neck out there, man.

02:48:13.000 You say a lot of nutty shit, and it takes a lot of courage to do that.

02:48:16.000 Or you're crazy.

02:48:18.000 I'm willing to believe you.

02:48:20.000 I mean, I'm willing to be completely open to the point of I'll go out to the desert with you.

02:48:25.000 I'll do whatever it is.

02:48:28.000 I'm fascinated by all this stuff.

02:48:29.000 And if what you're saying is true, it is one of the most mind-blowing things our society has ever had access to, has ever been able to encounter.

02:48:41.000 I mean, it's pretty crazy shit, man.

02:48:43.000 Well, welcome to the new millennium because now it's time.

02:48:46.000 Here we go.

02:48:47.000 I mean, I hope this isn't just crazy talk.

02:48:47.000 I hope you're right.

02:48:50.000 April 22nd is the day.

02:48:52.000 It's in Los Angeles at LA Live, which is where?

02:48:56.000 It's the Regal LA Live.

02:48:58.000 The Regal LA Live.

02:49:00.000 And how can people either find out about this or get to this or if people want to go?

02:49:06.000 Seriousdisclosure.com, and you can go there and you can get the tickets and everything and sign up right there.

02:49:12.000 Everything can be done online.

02:49:13.000 And is the film done?

02:49:16.000 It's going into final completion in the next three weeks or so.

02:49:19.000 Okay, so April 22nd is when it's all going down, and that is, hopefully you will already have the information from this Ivy League Institute about this alien being by then, correct?

02:49:30.000 Or this humanoid being. 0.76

02:49:33.000 Yeah, whatever it is.

02:49:34.000 Yeah, and we will.

02:49:35.000 We already have a lot of it, but we're waiting for the final genetic sequencing.

02:49:39.000 Okay, and if people want to follow you on Twitter, it's Dr. Stephen Greer, Steve, S-T-E-V-E-N.

02:49:47.000 Not one of those weirdos that says Stephen, but it's with a PH.

02:49:50.000 Who does that?

02:49:51.000 Some weirdos.

02:49:52.000 No, PH here.

02:49:53.000 Yeah, a lot of weirdos.

02:49:55.000 Stephen PH.

02:49:56.000 That's Stefan, right?

02:49:57.000 Stefan.

02:49:58.000 Okay.

02:49:59.000 Dr. Stephen Greer, S-T-E-V-E-N Greer.

02:50:02.000 And one more time, the website is seriousdisclosure.com, S-I-R-I-U-S-Disclosure.com.

02:50:09.000 This has been a fascinating conversation.

02:50:11.000 It's been really interesting.

02:50:11.000 Thank you very much.

02:50:13.000 And, you know, I mean, I'm really looking forward to seeing where this goes.

02:50:18.000 We'll see you at the premiere.

02:50:19.000 Will you do this again?

02:50:19.000 Absolutely.

02:50:20.000 Will you come by?

02:50:21.000 Yeah, I'd love to.

02:50:22.000 It'd be great around the time of the premiere.

02:50:23.000 Yeah, with all the new findings.

02:50:26.000 Yes, please.

02:50:27.000 All right, we're going to have some fun.

02:50:28.000 Listen, folks, thanks for tuning in.

02:50:30.000 We have a crazy week this week.

02:50:32.000 We have Tom Zegura is going to be on on Tuesday.

02:50:35.000 David LeeRoth is going to be on on David Lee Roth's here on Wednesday.

02:50:42.000 And on Friday, Dr. Amit Goswami, theoretical physicist.

02:50:47.000 So we have some crazy science.

02:50:50.000 We've got a rock star.

02:50:51.000 And we've got one of the funniest people on the planet.

02:50:53.000 And we have Dr. Stephen Greer.

02:50:54.000 Thank you very much for your time.

02:50:55.000 I really appreciate it.

02:50:56.000 It's an honor to talk to you.

02:50:57.000 And I really appreciate all you're doing.

02:50:59.000 It's awesome stuff.

02:51:00.000 I love it.

02:51:01.000 I'm fascinated.

02:51:02.000 And I can't wait to talk to you again in April.

02:51:04.000 And I can't wait to see your film.

02:51:05.000 All right, folks.

02:51:06.000 That's the Dealio Yo.

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02:51:14.000 It is March, what, Brian?

02:51:16.000 14th.

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02:51:21.000 Really, really cool place.

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The Joe Rogan Experience - March 03, 2013

Joe Rogan Experience #331 - Dr. Steven Greer

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