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00:01:39.000And then from then on, you're always going to know what the issue is immediately when it manifests itself and you'll look at it in a completely different way.
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00:02:04.000I don't think it has anything to do with just being artistic.
00:02:08.000He relates it to writing and art and creating things, but I think it probably goes to a lot of different things that you do in life, things that you put your focus towards, things that you enjoy.
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00:07:00.000I've seen a lot of your videos online.
00:07:03.000I read a lot of your work and it is some very, very fascinating and for a person as dumb as I am, confusing stuff.
00:07:13.000The idea of quantum mechanics and just when someone uses the word quantum, do you find that a lot of folks that just eyes glaze over Well, not anymore, because, you know, one of the most complex concepts of quantum physics is quantum leap.
00:07:32.000It's a discontinuous transition, and that gives an idea of how foreign it is to a mind which thinks in the Newtonian fashion.
00:07:41.000You know, motion is continuous, and quantum leap is discontinuous.
00:09:05.000There is another reality which must be called supernature, transcendent reality, just like the spiritual traditions are saying, just like the psychologists are saying in the turn of the century.
00:09:16.000In the 19th century, Freud discovered the concept of unconscious.
00:09:44.000Quantum physics says one level is level of possibility, where everything is possibility.
00:09:49.000Nothing concrete, no thing, no thingness.
00:09:53.000And then this level of reality where we, of course, live, where we find things manifest, where things look like they're particles, objects, concrete, solid, liquid, gases, all these are concrete objects.
00:10:06.000We have become used to them as concrete objects.
00:10:09.000But they begin As possibilities in a transcendent domain.
00:10:13.000So, to break it down for the layperson, essentially the lowest form or the smallest form of the universe that we can measure when we get to subatomic particles, when we can look at subatomic particles,
00:10:28.000they defy the laws of physics, They exist in the same space at the same time in two different places.
00:10:34.000They can be both moving and still, and they can teleport themselves.
00:10:40.000You made it a little more complex than it actually is.
00:11:48.000We only know that it's possible to find the electron here, there, at the ceiling, maybe at right here where I am, but we don't know where it actually will be if I try to see it, try to measure it, try to observe it.
00:12:16.000So something that is a wave of possibility, having the capacity of being everywhere, with our measurement, becomes a concrete object that we can say, well, it's a thing, there it is.
00:12:31.000So only by measuring it, it becomes a concrete object?
00:12:34.000Only by observing it, measuring it, only by...
00:12:37.000That's a very hard thing to understand.
00:12:39.000It is a very hard thing to understand.
00:12:41.000But if you're measuring it, and that's when it becomes a concrete object, Isn't it just assuming it wasn't a concrete object before you measured it and that it's always a concrete object?
00:14:06.000The thing that people need to – I mean I've had a really hard time digesting any of this stuff.
00:14:12.000But the thing that people need to look at first, I think, is the idea of superposition.
00:14:18.000The idea that – what you were saying, the idea that they have measured things both moving and still at the same time and they have shown – That things can leap from one place to another.
00:14:28.000So our real reality, as far as science, is accepted pretty much universally, right?
00:14:34.000There's no debate in the scientific community about the movement of subatomic particles, right?
00:14:41.000Movement of subatomic particles involving discontinuity.
00:15:13.000Let me claim the full claim of quantum physics.
00:15:16.000It's not only saying that the smaller you go, but the plot thickens when you realize that the reality at the macro scale is made of the small things.
00:15:26.000So, of course, the effect is visible, much more easily measured for the small things.
00:15:33.000But when the small things make big things, as you said, microphones and you and me, our body, that is, They're all quantum objects.
00:15:41.000So we also, when nobody's observing us, including ourselves, like when we sleep, Deep sleep.
00:15:57.000The only reason I can find myself in the same bed every night when I wake up, the only reason for that is that because I'm a macro object, my wave of possibility, although it expands a little,
00:16:12.000just as all waves must expand, you have seen water wave expanding, You know, if you throw a pebble in a pond of water, the water waves will expand, right?
00:16:23.000Same thing happens with waves of possibility.
00:16:25.000We do tend to expand as soon as you go to sleep as a wave of possibility, but the waves are so sluggish for macro objects.
00:16:33.000For me, to move a substantial distance that somebody can discern it, it will take the edge of the universe.
00:16:43.000It moves like 10 to the minus 16 centimeter.
00:16:45.000But today, with laser beams, we can actually measure such small distances that these macro objects, even macro objects, move While Newtonian physics would say, no, no, they're at rest.
00:16:59.000Whereas our common sense would say, no, no, they're not moving.
00:17:02.000But with a laser beam, we can actually measure that between your looking and my looking, just for a second, objects actually move, which appear to be stationary to the normal eye.
00:17:13.000So we live in a very, very, very wonderfully creative world.
00:17:49.000The center of mass of this table, for example, is pretty massive, probably moving about 10 to the minus 18 centimeters in a discernible time, like a minute or two.
00:18:00.000So it just sort of moves back and forth and back.
00:18:03.000So we really do live in like a hologram.
00:18:06.000Well, hologram is not always a good metaphor, but it is for this case because, you know, the objects can appear in more than one place in that sense.
00:18:16.000Hologram, the information appears everywhere on the hologram.
00:18:20.000So, these objects carry information which is in more than one place.
00:18:25.000Potentially, it is more than one place.
00:18:28.000This is why we say that we have discovered a new world of potentia from which our ordinary reality is created.
00:18:35.000So ordinary reality is not as fixed as we thought it was.
00:18:39.000If you allow the objects to go more and more in the quantum domain, in the realm of expansion into new possibility, where it has not expanded before, not so much with tables and chairs, mind you, but with our thoughts,
00:18:54.000with our feelings, then we can really get into creativity.
00:19:00.000How do you go into the quantum domain with your creativity?
00:19:03.000Well, that's when I have to talk to you about the creative process.
00:19:07.000If you look at the creative process, creativity researchers have found that there are four stages.
00:19:15.000The first stage everybody knows, preparation.
00:19:18.000That just, I read up, I talk with you, I get some knowledge from picking your brain, I listen to a teacher, I listen to audios, videos, internet of course, and get some knowledge about the subject.
00:19:32.000And then creativity researchers find a very strange thing happens.
00:19:37.000The most creative people, they are not just doing preparation.
00:20:08.000And then quantum physics came along, and we realized that in between our thinking, these objects' thoughts, they are possibilities of meaning.
00:20:18.000So, like all waves, I was talking about the water wave before, if you throw a pebble in a pond, the water waves will expand as expanding crest lines.
00:20:27.000So, same thing happens with the thoughts.
00:20:29.000They expand in meaning, become waves of multiple meaning, possibilities of multiple meaning, multiple meaning, expanding, expanding, expanding.
00:20:39.000The more they expand, the more meaning this packet of possibility will contain.
00:20:44.000And so you have a better idea, better possibility, better probability of capturing a new meaning.
00:20:51.000Because if you have a bigger possibility pool to choose from, obviously your chance of being creative is greater.
00:20:59.000This is the idea that has explained how creativity comes to us.
00:21:05.000Then when the actual When the answer appears, the new meaning that we are seeking, when it appears in the pool, and when I see the gestalt of all the new meanings that will give answer to my problem, then I pick it, then I choose it.
00:21:22.000That's where my causal power of creativity lies, still in the unconscious.
00:21:26.000But now it becomes conscious with the huomo.
00:21:29.000This is the quantum leap, a discontinuous change from possibility into actuality.
00:21:34.000So I actually captured the new thought, Joe.
00:21:37.000I actually captured the new thought, and that's so surprising because it's new.
00:21:43.000Creativity researchers call it AHA insight.
00:21:46.000You have heard of AHA. So the idea is that the imagination is a quantum realm?
00:21:53.000Imagination takes us to the realm of possibility.
00:21:55.000If we can do it from conscious into the unconscious, conscious imagination is still A stepping stone to the domain of possibility.
00:22:05.000But if we imagine consciously, that is like stalking the unconscious, that eventually gets onto the unconscious.
00:22:13.000And this is where things have this capacity of propagating, expanding, wave-like, becoming bigger and bigger pools of possibility for consciousness to choose from.
00:22:23.000And when we choose, a new possibility might arise, or a whole combination of new possibilities might arise, which will contain the answer.
00:22:33.000That's a very interesting way to break down creativity that I've never heard before.
00:23:15.000Yeah, the creation process has always been fascinating to me, and I've been saying this for a while, that I think we don't understand, we have the idea of the imagination of what's in the mind as being just, oh, pretend, make-believe, daydreaming,
00:23:31.000like those things come to mind when we think of imagination, but Everything physical that exists was created in the imagination.
00:23:39.000The imagination is a machine for creating cities.
00:23:43.000The imagination created nuclear power.
00:23:56.000But quantum physics is taking us a little bit further.
00:24:00.000Imagination is a good starting point, as I said.
00:24:02.000But imagination is still in our conscious thought.
00:24:05.000So we have to understand that when we have conscious thoughts of imagination, Then we are proposing the unconscious to look at new stuff, process new stuff.
00:24:42.000So what it does, it starts the beginning of a thought process.
00:24:47.000Where thoughts can become more and more and more and more weird, and more and more and more new, but it's no longer possible to process them in the conscious.
00:24:59.000Because in the conscious, we just cannot do it.
00:25:04.000The known Imposes too much constraint on what we can imagine in the domain of the unknown.
00:25:12.000But as soon as it gets into the unconscious, unconscious stuff, more we imagine, the imaginary stuff will interact with other imaginary stuff, the thoughts will mix, and this mixing waves together will produce patterns of what you call patterns of interference of waves.
00:25:28.000You were mentioning superposition, waves superpose, and creating many, many more new possibilities than before.
00:25:34.000And one of these possibilities may very well be brand new.
00:25:38.000That never has been manifested before.
00:25:42.000How do we go from the known into the unknown?
00:25:45.000The way we go is this taking advantage of what we call quantum thinking.
00:25:52.000Thinking where we take advantage of the quantum domain, the domain of possibility, where possibility interacting with possibility creates up completely new stuff that has never manifested before.
00:26:06.000I've heard you say that you believe that consciousness is non-local.
00:26:29.000We're now getting into real cracks up.
00:26:32.000The most surprising thing in quantum physics that surprised even Einstein.
00:26:36.000Einstein in his whole life could not believe this concept of non-locality, which he himself discovered with two other physicists, Nathan Rosen.
00:27:07.000New ideas, and then they predict stuff.
00:27:11.000So Einstein's idea was, this is 1935, mind you.
00:27:16.000The idea was that if two quantum objects interact, they become correlated.
00:27:22.000And this is a new word that he used in that paper, he and his collaborators, Rosen and Podolsky.
00:27:31.000These people really found, with their theory, with their mathematics, that if two objects once become correlated, then even when they are not interacting, even if they move away from each other, even then they can communicate.
00:28:06.000But these objects communicate without signals.
00:28:10.000So their communication uses a medium that can only be outside of space and time.
00:28:15.000Because in space and time, Einstein himself gave us a theory of relativity which says that nothing can interact without exchanging signals going through space and time.
00:28:26.000But these objects, quantum objects, once correlated, they have the capacity of signal-less communication.
00:28:36.000Signals are local, going through space.
00:28:39.000And how do they measure that these particles are communicating?
00:28:44.000So the key is in that they measure the communication and they show that there is no signal because the communication took place faster than the speed of light.
00:28:53.000In all local signals going through space and time must travel either at the speed of light or less than the speed of light.
00:29:02.000So if something can be shown to travel faster than the speed of light, it has to be non-local.
00:29:08.000And this is what physicists now discovered in the laboratory.
00:29:12.000Eleanor Spey in 1982 finally verified.
00:29:15.000Einstein was dead a long time ago, 1955, so he never knew that his theory will one day not only prove to be right, but really revolutionize the whole world of physics by bringing in concepts of consciousness.
00:29:48.000It's also easy to understand because there is no signal, it's easy to understand.
00:29:53.000How to detect it is a little more difficult because you have to talk about photons and photons come with a characteristic called polarization and you get more and more technical and I'm sure your listeners will run away,
00:30:13.000If we irradiate an atom, certain atoms with a laser beam, then they emit sometimes a pair of photons, one going this way, one going that way.
00:30:24.000So what these experimenters did, one experimenter was measuring this photon over here, The other one was measuring the photon over there in the laboratory, still separated by laboratory distance, let's say several meters.
00:30:41.000The way the communication went, they could flip.
00:30:46.000This is why things get a little complicated.
00:30:49.000They could flip the polarization axis of one of the photons, and the other photon's polarization axis seemed to have flipped instantly.
00:30:57.000They could show this by the technology that we have now.
00:31:02.000So it was faster than the speed of light and that shows that there's non-local communication?
00:31:06.000That shows there is non-local communication between these two photons.
00:31:10.000In case you're wondering what photons are, they're quanta of light, discrete bundles of light.
00:31:15.000Now how does that correlate to non-local consciousness?
00:31:19.000How they correlate to non-local consciousness is the strangest thing that physics is bringing.
00:31:25.000The reason consciousness enters physics was clear even to Heisenberg.
00:33:15.000If material interactions cannot do it, what is needed is some non-material interaction.
00:33:20.000Does that mean those molecules are conscious in some sort of way?
00:33:24.000Well, that means that consciousness, they're within consciousness, they must be, otherwise there will be duality.
00:33:30.000So, we don't say that molecules are conscious, but we say molecules have to be within consciousness.
00:33:37.000Because if consciousness is the ground of being, And molecules, atoms, solid objects, macro objects, everything is within consciousness as waves of possibility, then we can think of this force that changes possibility into actuality as a conscious choice.
00:33:54.000Because what is a possibility wave but a packet of multi-faceted potentia?
00:34:03.000And consciousness uses the particular facet that becomes concretized, that becomes actualized.
00:34:08.000So in this way, we have found not only the force that consciousness implies that changes possibility into actuality, but we know the nature of that force.
00:34:27.000So how does consciousness choose in an experiment like a space?
00:34:30.000Here is a possibility of a photon, here is another possibility of a photon.
00:34:35.000Consciousness must be choosing them simultaneously because otherwise there would be No non-local communication.
00:34:43.000So the local communication proves that there's some form of consciousness going on.
00:34:49.000Non-local communication proves that there is some form of matrix that is involved with the communication that permits faster than the speed of light communication and therefore must be outside of space and time.
00:35:02.000So there's a connection that we can't measure?
00:35:05.000There is a connection that we can theorize about, and that connection has to be consciousness because it involves a change about knowledge.
00:35:13.000Do we think of consciousness the same way universally?
00:35:16.000Because what you're saying is an instantaneous distribution of information, whereas I think what a lot of people think of as consciousness is being sentient.
00:37:15.000So possibility became measured concrete.
00:37:17.000We're saying that the medium that chooses is the medium called consciousness.
00:37:23.000That was in the unconscious state at that time.
00:37:26.000But now, when the measurement actually has taken place, there has to be two observers with brains in those locations, because consciousness just does not measure arbitrarily.
00:37:37.000Right, but the idea of it changing, it has to be conscious to change?
00:37:43.000There is consciousness and there is these observers.
00:37:46.000What I'm saying is not only we need the concept of non-local consciousness connecting the objects, connecting the observers, but we also need to get the concept that at the same time there is non-local consciousness, non-material consciousness choosing.
00:38:01.000At the same time, there must also be the observer.
00:38:04.000Because without the observer we never see anything.
00:38:09.000Can you ever imagine finding something without an observer, without a sentient being?
00:38:13.000So you have to measure the effect of the observer?
00:38:19.000So just by the presence of the observer changes the experiment?
00:38:23.000Presence of the observer not only changes the experiment, presence of the observer is essential for the experiment itself.
00:38:30.000Not only non-local consciousness is essential, but so is the observer's brain.
00:38:36.000And you have to factor that in when considering the possibility of non-local consciousness?
00:38:40.000You have to factor that in when considering the possibility of actualizing the possibility.
00:38:47.000Without individual consciousness looking, no actualization ever takes place.
00:38:53.000So non-local consciousness is a quescent, it's sort of, it's an unconscious existence.
00:39:01.000Things are processed, but nothing concrete happens in non-local consciousness.
00:39:06.000Only when the observer is there, Then, this concretization that we are calling, physicists use the word collapse, the waves collapse into the particle.
00:39:17.000But does this imply that before you existed, nothing else did as well?
00:39:44.000So with the looking, the process of looking, the process of changing possibility into actuality not only creates the object, it creates the very subject that you experience.
00:39:56.000To you personally, but to all the other people that you live in the neighborhood with, these buildings were real before you got there.
00:41:24.000This circularity is the key to understanding why quantum measurement can take place in the brain.
00:41:33.000This circular kind of logic, this circular logic is what manifests reality from possibility.
00:41:41.000All these devices, like the human brain or a human living cell, living cell of an amoeba even, simplest of creatures, All these very mysterious entities that we have theorized about but could not explain their basic characteristics,
00:42:01.000like life, sentience, now we can understand how they occur.
00:42:05.000They occur through quantum measurement involving the circular logic.
00:42:11.000Doug Hofstadter, who is an artificial intelligence researcher, wrote a marvelous book in 1980 called Goral Escher-Bach.
00:42:18.000In this book, he talked about these circular logical systems as tangled hierarchies.
00:42:24.000So, as surprising as it sounds to you, Joe, and I'll just throw at you, brain has a tangled hierarchy within it.
00:42:34.000And because it has that, it is capable of experiencing consciousness as being the subject.
00:42:43.000It captures the subject of consciousness.
00:42:47.000Consciousness identifies with the brain, and when brain is involved in a measurement process, we who are carrying that brain will say, I am looking at the electron.
00:43:00.000Just as you with your brain looking at me say, I am looking at Amit.
00:44:17.000I still am not understanding how the human consciousness could be measured or proven to be non-local when the brain, what we believe is the center of all this activity that we equate to consciousness,
00:46:43.000And one of the subjects is shown a series of light flashes.
00:46:47.000That, of course, will produce electrical activity in the occipital area of the brain, and the brain wave apparatus, the EEG, will pick it up, measure it.
00:46:57.000It appears in a graph which is called evoke potential.
00:47:03.000When you extract the signal out of all the brainwaves, eliminating the noise.
00:47:30.000So how do we know direct communication has occurred?
00:47:32.000The brain waves from this subject Not exposed to light waves, just brain waves of this subject, who is vegetating basically, are picked up from the electroencephalogram machine connected to that brain and then analyzed in exactly the same way,
00:47:49.000eliminate the noise, extract the signal.
00:47:53.000The two Signals extracted, one from a subject who has seen light flashes, one from a subject which has not seen light flashes.
00:48:04.000The two extracted potentials, one is the evoked potential, the other one is called transferred potential.
00:48:12.000They overlap almost exactly, like 70% overlap is often seen, 80% overlap is often seen.
00:48:38.000But the other one has a reaction in his mind that's similar to the light flashes.
00:48:46.000Reaction in his brain anyway, which shows that the effect of the light flashes, electrical activity, somehow, without signals, has been transferred from one brain to the other.
00:48:58.000Why was it then assumed that consciousness is non-local instead of...
00:49:04.000So therefore, we say that the two brains are non-locally connected?
00:49:11.000So that connection matrix is what we call consciousness.
00:49:14.000Isn't it possible, though, that the mind is where consciousness is stored, but yet it communicates non-locally with other minds and other consciousness that are also stored in people's brains?
00:49:24.000And that the consciousness is in the brain, and that the non-locality is just the connection?
00:49:29.000No, you are making not quite conceivable scenes for this.
00:50:55.000Physical transfer of information, let's put that, not energy.
00:50:58.000No energy actually goes from one way to the other.
00:51:01.000But the brains change in such a way, there is obviously a synchrony in the way this brain changed, but this brain changed because light flashes fall on that brain.
00:51:11.000This brain changing not because of light flashes, but because this brain is associated with this meditative awareness.
00:51:18.000If that's the case, then wouldn't it do you justice to get as far away from a city as possible?
00:51:24.000Because aren't you constantly communicating with all the minds in your city?
00:51:28.000And if they're all in a good headspace, that's great.
00:51:32.000But if not, aren't you experiencing the crazy light flashes of a million neighbors?
00:52:45.000The reason is the saving grace is the I see what you're saying.
00:53:07.000So unless we have some sort of context to put it into in our own lives, it doesn't affect us as information.
00:53:14.000Quantum physics even gives it more exactly, it uses the word correlation.
00:53:19.000We need to be correlated, like that in the experiment that I just described, which by the way was performed first by a neurophysiologist named Jacobo Greenberg at the University of Mexico.
00:53:31.000But that kind of thing, you know, his experiment depended crucially on this conscious meditative intention.
00:53:41.000But people can get correlated simpler than that.
00:53:44.000Like in a football stadium, people are getting correlated just by the simply identification with the team.
00:53:52.000On the internet, we never see people, but we are correlated because we are some cause that brings us together.
00:54:00.000So there are many ways to get correlated.
00:54:03.000And then if people, once they become correlated, certain things, I believe that it's easier to transfer emotions than actual thoughts.
00:54:14.000In the thought realm, we don't correlate very well because thoughts are rational and rationality takes us away from this non-local consciousness.
00:54:22.000But when we are emotional, Then this non-local consciousness can correlate us and the effects can travel much better.
00:54:31.000This is why one person's bad mood can get another person into bad mood.
00:54:37.000Or one person's happiness can be communicated to another person's happiness.
00:54:41.000Happiness is most certainly infectious.
00:54:44.000That's one of the reasons why comedy clubs work.
00:54:47.000Laughter, you know, laughter becomes infectious when everyone around you is laughing as well.
00:54:58.000I went to India recently, Bangalore, and they have parks, you know, where people gather together every morning like at 6, 6.30, and they will have this laughing meditation.
00:55:10.000It's a wonderful thing to watch, and you watch for a while, you yourself will start laughing.
00:55:30.000And you're supposed to laugh, so everybody just...
00:55:32.000But you know, you could not maintain that kind of saying for very long.
00:55:37.000If anything, the mouth muscles will get tired and so forth.
00:55:41.000But here, because of that non-local correlation which comes into play after a while, you can see more than what you'd expect just imitating other people to laugh.
00:56:15.000If you forgive me, I still don't understand how that makes consciousness non-local.
00:56:21.000I understand that there's communication.
00:56:22.000I understand that there's some sort of a shared… Well, laughing meditation, this kind of thing… But even the experiments you were talking about… This kind of thing, something unusual happens, is not very difficult to show.
00:56:35.000Dean Radhan, Who is a parapsychologist working at the Institute of Noetic Sciences.
00:56:42.000Dean Radden does the following experiment.
00:56:45.000He takes what is called random number generators.
00:56:48.000These things are devices in which radioactive decays are taking place.
00:58:23.000But wouldn't that, in fact, I mean, the whole idea of quantum leaping and quantum teleportation, meaning that distance really isn't an issue, right?
00:58:35.000So why is it that with these people meditating in the room with all this jazz that it affects it, whereas I would assume anytime you run a random number generator, there's someone meditating somewhere in the world, probably massive groups of them.
00:58:49.000How could the effect of just a couple individuals vary that much from the great hive?
00:59:01.000So that local correlation is important.
00:59:04.000Now, if you correlate and then look for these effects, send people away and they still remain correlated because they are meditating, then that should work.
00:59:15.000If you set up a group of meditators, but not in Los Angeles, but in Los Angeles and San Francisco and New York, but they all were correlated, In some ways, by telephone or by internet or some intention given by a common source,
00:59:31.000once they're correlated and they start meditating, distance should not matter.
00:59:35.000Okay, so essentially what you're saying is their energy focused on this one thing can now be measured, whereas if their energy is not focused on it, it doesn't have an effect on it, and the focusing on the thing The focusing is the intention.
00:59:50.000If we translate the word focusing to intention, then I would agree with you.
01:00:47.000To interpret it, how could this happen?
01:00:51.000How could this happen is because you, although you have not been exposed to these light flashes now, but you have in your brain memory of seeing light flashes.
01:01:03.000You have seen light flashes many times in your life.
01:01:12.000So, out of these memories, which are all unconscious processes, by the way, whenever you are vegetating, your unconscious brain, unconscious, unconscious, picks up this brain stuff and they become the subjects of the unconscious for processing.
01:01:34.000So unconscious always has these memories to That's an interesting point.
01:01:40.000Then what happens if you do an experiment where one person experiences something that they have no background in, have never seen before, most people don't know, nor does the other person in the other room who's going to receive the signal, how does he process something that he's never experienced before?
01:03:16.000So this unconscious is just giving you possibility.
01:03:19.000So unless this entity called consciousness is choosing possibility, you would not have the actual transfer potential.
01:03:26.000So how can you have a transfer potential from evoke potential being transferred by a non-local matrix that we are calling consciousness?
01:03:34.000Because it has to be consciousness which chooses out of the possibilities of your brain generated by previous memory because you are meditating with your partner.
01:03:48.000And the partner has seen these light flashes.
01:03:52.000Consciousness, by virtue of that correlation, is choosing from your unconscious, which has the memory, but nothing more than that, has the possibility, but nothing more than that, no actuality.
01:04:03.000But consciousness is choosing the actuality because you are meditating to receive that.
01:04:09.000Sir, I'm going to have to disagree with you.
01:08:05.000You already agreed many times actually during this broadcast that there is without signals a transfer of information or transfer of electric potential.
01:08:53.000And in fact, the person who's receiving it on the other end, even though consciousness is non-local, the other person isn't even conscious, they're receiving it, if you want to look at it that way, or cognizant.
01:09:03.000No, that would not help very much for the experiment.
01:09:06.000Remember, people already have data, extensive data of telepathy.
01:09:57.000A computer has chosen where you will go to look at the statue.
01:10:01.000A computer, unbeknownst to everyone connected with the experiment, is analyzing the picture that your correlated friend, psychic, is drawing of what you're looking at.
01:10:13.000And then the computer is bringing the two together, the picture of the statue that you're actually looking at and the picture that the person has drawn.
01:10:21.000The computer does the matching, and the computer says, hey, there is 90% match between these two.
01:10:27.000This could not be just a happenstance.
01:10:30.000This got to be a transfer of information, got to be an example of telepathic communication.
01:10:36.000What studies specifically have shown remote viewing to be that accurate?
01:10:42.000Is there anything that you could, just for the folks listening?
01:10:44.000Yeah, this is Russell Targ and Harold Putoff started this kind of experiment in 1970s.
01:10:53.000Yeah, Russell Targ is actually coming on the podcast.
01:11:27.000But even then, material is object to it because it's still the mind.
01:11:33.000But in the experiment that I gave you, transfer potential experiment of Harko Greenberg, nobody can object because the mind is not involved.
01:11:42.000Actually, if cognition got involved, people immediately start saying, oh, it's subjective.
01:11:47.000But here, the transfer actually is in the objective domain.
01:11:52.000Measurable, materially measurable electric potential here, a materially measurable electric potential there.
01:12:02.000And therefore the proof actually in this experiment, the transfer potential experiment, is the most accurate proof of non-locality than you ever saw.
01:12:12.000So that means that there's a connection that we don't know about that has always existed between human beings constantly and the only thing that's missing is the intention and the focus on the two together.
01:12:32.000I'm sorry, is this something that you think as we have evolved from lower primates to human beings, is this something that is beginning to show its potential in the human species?
01:12:43.000Is it something that might improve and expand?
01:12:46.000If you believe other experimental data that people have been collecting since the early 50s or 60s, like what is the name of that fellow, Baxter.
01:13:58.000But Rupert Sheldrake is one of the latest entries in this.
01:14:02.000He is showing that dogs communicate telepathically with their masters.
01:14:07.000Yeah, I heard about this, and I've also heard some other things that Rupert Sheldrake has said recently, something about the speed of light varying, which a lot of people are coming down on him for, that it's bad science, and that it's pseudoscience at best.
01:14:22.000Yeah, I haven't seen that either, but the people in my message board were going bananas about him.
01:14:27.000Because he's a very controversial character in the first place because if what he says is true, like as the amazing Randy is always offered, I think it's a million dollars for anybody can prove any sort of psychic connection.
01:14:39.000Why isn't anybody taking that guy up on this?
01:19:03.000Somehow, this was the data, anthropological data, I've looked at the paper in the original journal, it's fine.
01:19:11.000But when somehow somebody reported on this data in a book, that somebody invented an extension which never happened, which is that monkeys in a nearby island without any connection, Picked up the same learning.
01:20:07.000I would assume that something like animals washing their food, if human beings, I mean the word evolution is a very touchy subject amongst people when it comes to natural selection and the advancement of the species, but It's commonly acknowledged scientifically that we were once primitive organisms.
01:20:29.000If that is the case, the intelligent animals like chimpanzees or monkeys or whatever, I would assume that much like people slowly all over the world figured out how to make tools with rocks, that monkeys would slowly figure out new things as well.
01:21:28.000Belief was, ever since Darwin, and after some verifications of Darwin that came about, the belief has been that genes are the only way that any hereditary characteristics learning can be transferred to subsequent generations.
01:22:29.000Proteins are made because of instructions written in the gene, called the genetic code.
01:22:33.000But the genes of all of our cells are the same.
01:22:36.000So the explanation is that some genes are activated in the toe, To toe proteins, and other genes are activated in the brain, making the brain proteins.
01:22:47.000This is why brain cells differ very much in their activity than the toe cells.
01:23:20.000So initially the belief was the program must also be in the genes.
01:23:24.000Now people are seeing that no, the programs for cell differentiation are not in the genes.
01:23:31.000They are in the epigenetics, outside of the genes.
01:23:35.000So Schellbrecht originally was suggesting something very similar with his idea of morphogenetic field.
01:23:43.000And so if you assume that morphogenetic fields are the blueprints of biological form and they are non-local, then there is no difficulty in explaining why the toe cells behave very differently in brain cells.
01:23:58.000How does the cell know what to do when it is in a different part of the body, if it's in the Toe, then those genes have to be activated which can make protein which can perform in the toe way.
01:24:13.000If it's in the brain, similarly, those genes will be activated which can make protein which makes it behave the brain way.
01:24:21.000But how are they doing it all in synchrony?
01:24:24.000Because of this non-local morphogenetic field that is involved.
01:24:28.000So, in a way, epigenetics is the first step of verification of Sheldrake's idea.
01:24:34.000The next step is taken by biologists like Bruce Lipton, who are saying that, well, quantum processes are involved in biology.
01:24:42.000And so if quantum processes are involved, then our consciousness-based quantum measurement theory is telling us that consciousness must be involved.
01:24:51.000So in this way, we now can understand the whole gamut of ideas that leads to these things.
01:24:58.000And finally, to connect up what you were just saying, these instincts, certain learning from the past do get passed on.
01:25:06.000So the belief is some specific type of learning which involves emotions.
01:25:14.000My guess is that if the learnings involve emotional, has an emotional aspect, then probably the morphogenetic fields are easier to transfer.
01:25:27.000Then there's certain innate sort of fears as well.
01:25:30.000Yeah, involving fears and similar emotions, egotism and sexuality.
01:26:07.000It's very difficult to understand on the basis of genes.
01:26:10.000So if you bring morphogenetic field to understand the instinct, then you get the idea that, yes, we can today become a nice person, have brain circuits of love, and then a few generations later, via the transference by this morphogenetic field,
01:26:27.000everybody will begin to have circuits of love in their brain.
01:26:31.000Well, you bring up a really interesting point because the chemical composition of the mind, all the different serotonin and dopamine and the neurotransmitters and all the different things that are going on inside the mind,
01:26:47.000alter those in one way or another, positive or negative, and you get profound effects on how the person behaves and thinks and interfaces with their reality.
01:26:56.000How do you feel personally about all the different pills that people are on and all the different pills that alter consciousness?
01:27:04.000It seems a very strange time when we are doing so much experimentation on a daily basis, altering The way a person's mind is interfacing with its reality and we see profound effects.
01:27:20.000A lot of people don't know 90% of school shooters either were on antidepressants, had been on them and were on withdrawal.
01:27:31.000It doesn't prove that that's what caused it because a lot of times these people are depressed and guess what?
01:27:37.000People who are depressed get on antidepressants.
01:27:39.000It doesn't mean that it caused them to be psychotic or to have Psychotic breaks, but there's something to be studied, for sure.
01:27:48.000Well, it's very dangerous to put the natural brain under drugs of any kind, especially those drugs which are psychoactive, because you don't even know.
01:27:59.000The studies are so scanty, you don't even know what the effects are.
01:28:04.000And how the effects will be, especially the long-term effects.
01:28:08.000And what we do know is that depression is now the third biggest epidemic disease.
01:28:25.000Because depression depends so much on these brain chemicals.
01:28:29.000And, of course, so much also on how we process our stuff, emotions, thinking.
01:28:35.000So something is basically going wrong in the new theory, where we talk in terms of chakras, because those are the places where they are very much involved with our emotions.
01:28:48.000The emotion that is involved in the highest place in our body, the neocortex, emotions that are involved with specifically are what we call satisfaction.
01:28:59.000So, if the neocortex is played with, certainly it will affect our level of satisfaction.
01:29:08.000By the same token, people might be using antidepressant to get a pseudo level of satisfaction.
01:29:15.000You know what happens when you take Prozac.
01:29:17.000You get sort of, you get temporarily, you get to look at the world as okay.
01:29:27.000So people are using things like that to give them a feeling of satisfaction because it's not there in the absence of taking this drug.
01:29:36.000So, in this way, but we don't know the consequence of taking Prozac in a good brain, long-term consequences of it.
01:29:44.000I am terribly, terribly upset about the drug culture because we are getting into stuff The very device that we need that is intimately connected with our consciousness.
01:29:59.000With our brain, there is no manifest consciousness.
01:30:36.000They don't have good friendships, relationships, job opportunities.
01:30:39.000They're not pursuing the career they really wanted to.
01:30:43.000They have good reason to be depressed.
01:30:44.000And a lot of times what that depression is, is in fact...
01:30:48.000The world around you and how your body is perceiving it and the negative energy that you're getting and feeling about it is supposed to motivate you to change.
01:30:57.000It's supposed to motivate you to move away from it.
01:31:00.000The negative feelings that you have after any personal altercation with someone.
01:31:22.000There are two kinds of situations involved here.
01:31:25.000The brain, the device itself may have wrong neurochemicals and therefore we get dissatisfaction, we get depression, or it can be the psychological effect of stuff that's producing the depression.
01:31:37.000If it is the latter psychological stuff that's producing dissatisfaction, then actually, in a way, it's easier because we can use psychological methods.
01:31:48.000I am not in favor of using brain chemicals like Prozac To re-establish the balance if the cause is psychological.
01:31:59.000If the cause is coming from genetics or family history or clear brain dysfunction, brain imbalance, then it should be treated with With brain chemicals, with medicine.
01:32:15.000But if it is psychologically caused, it's better to try to improve the satisfaction level of the person.
01:32:25.000By bringing emotions in the higher chakra, starting with the heart chakra, where love resides, then expression, which resides in the throat chakra, and then focusing, which resides in the Third eye or in between the two brows,
01:32:41.000brow chakra, and then of course the crown chakra, the neocortex, which is the seat of satisfaction.
01:32:48.000So we can improve satisfaction by concentrating, not so much on the lower emotions, which is the lower chakras.
01:32:57.000There, the emotions that you get are all those fear and sexuality and pride.
01:34:16.000So in this way, if we learn to concentrate more on these positive emotions, we could actually heal or psychologically caused cases of depression.
01:34:29.000Psychologically caused cases of depression.
01:34:31.000That's where you have to differentiate, correct?
01:34:33.000You have to differentiate between people who are depressed because they're in a bad state in life and people who are depressed because the mind's not working correctly.
01:34:42.000The real issue is the over-diagnosis then, or at least the over-prescription, over-prescribing.
01:34:49.000What psychiatrists tend to do, because it's easy to treat the brain chemical with a chemical, Psychologists try to get away with just using drugs because the effect will be quicker.
01:35:18.000So parents, of course, want immediate cure.
01:35:21.000So the best strategy probably is to use antidepressants immediately, because that will give a temporary healing.
01:35:30.000But of course the psychological reasons will be present, so it will come back, it will continue.
01:35:35.000And then you start the psychological treatment that I'm suggesting, which already people are suggesting I shouldn't take the original credit for it, nothing like that.
01:35:46.000But dealing with noble emotions, higher emotions, positive emotions, that healing will take time.
01:35:58.000So we can use a combination of both conventional and the new medicine, mind-body medicine suggestion.
01:36:06.000What I suggested is called mind-body medicine because you are trying to heal the brain in balance with the effect of the mind, with the help of the mind.
01:36:15.000This seems to be a real issue with modern humans, too, in that the life that we live does not really satisfy all of our natural reward systems that we have in place.
01:36:26.000The hunter-gatherer systems and sitting in a cubicle and all of it.
01:36:32.000Even monogamy is a struggle for a lot of people for that very reason, is that we have a lot of genetics that are set up from A different time, and they're still in our system.
01:37:44.000So we live in a world where we really need A new educational system which will bring these aspects up and use creativity quite extensively, because these things require creative learning.
01:37:58.000What has to happen is that the context of our thinking, which is thinking without the emotions, this has evolved so much, you know, it becomes very cerebral thinkers, only involving the neocortex.
01:38:11.000Instead, we can start involving some of what we left behind, some of the emotions that are into it, some of the emotions that we have not dealt with.
01:38:21.000And we have to reunite, reintegrate how we think about emotions, reintegrate that into our present life system, which is more thinking rationally, which is thinking about thinking itself,
01:42:32.000So it's a very simple explanation why we get this high and why it should not be trivialized.
01:42:38.000There are many other ways to get high, but this is one of the best ways because at the same time, you're getting an exercise of the muscles and the joints.
01:44:03.000And if you think about the general scammers in the population, there's always going to be issues with men and male ego and posturing and there's always going to be similar issues with women and women dealing with other women.
01:44:19.000I've seen the fake yoga man and I've seen the fake yoga woman.
01:44:22.000I'll take the fake yoga woman every day.
01:44:25.000The fake yoga man is trying to get laid.
01:44:27.000The fake yoga woman is just trying to pretend to be a little more spiritual and non-materialistic than she truly is.
01:44:35.000But the fake yoga man is just trying to get laid.
01:44:40.000Again, maybe one out of a hundred, but that's enough.
01:44:43.000Well, you know, these things, however, I think that some people will get into the New Age movement with the idea of, you know, finding relationship, which in a way, of course, is finding...
01:44:56.000I love how you just put that, because that's not what they're doing.
01:45:24.000And I'm sure that as quantum physics makes more inroads, there will be these quantum fakers.
01:45:32.000And I'm not trying to focus entirely on the negative, but I'm trying to address what I know people in the general public, the issues that they have with folks that claim to be spiritual.
01:45:43.000It's like you run into a fake yoga person.
01:47:24.000When he looks at the Master and tries to do some of the stuff, he starts changing.
01:47:31.000By faking, initially he thought he'll just fake the Master because then he'll pick up the faking and then his stealing capacity will increase many-fold because he will impress people by being a spiritual man.
01:48:29.000I'm not interested in stealing the small stuff anymore.
01:48:32.000I want to steal the stuff that you are made of.
01:48:34.000So, you see, the way we can make even use of this fake is amazing, by being patient with the people who are faking and just allowing them in the process.
01:48:48.000Because although the initial intention is superficial, but as you do them, Consumption itself, consuming this very wonderful stuff, very wonderful behavior,
01:49:04.000will begin to give the idea, oh, maybe I can become a producer.
01:49:09.000These energies that I fake by imitating, if I actualize them, then they will actually produce changes in me that are profound.
01:49:22.000We should open the gate for that, other than closing it by saying, oh, you are just a fake.
01:49:30.000You know, be a little more tolerant about them.
01:49:33.000So I encourage people using the quantum language, although they have no idea what they are talking about.
01:49:40.000But then, you know, you explain it one time and they will become a little curious and initially their curiosity will be, oh, I can pick up a little more and impress people a little more.
01:49:49.000But they become a little more curious, a little more curious.
01:49:52.000One day they will ask, well, can I actually start doing this stuff and really be creative?
01:50:12.000This could come from Niels Bohr, who said that if you thought you understood quantum physics, Then probably you didn't understand it at all.
01:50:21.000So, you know, there were many, many, many sayings about quantum physics.
01:50:25.000Feynman said something like, nobody understands quantum physics once upon a time.
01:51:11.000Because experimentally, we are verifying the idea of non-local consciousness.
01:51:16.000We are verifying the idea that there really is a non-local connection between people, or the way we cognize knowledge Namely consciousness.
01:51:46.000Well, the original, if you read Patanjali's Yoga Sutra, he just introduces Sato Yoga as a way of finding a comfortable place to meditate.
01:51:58.000Originally, the idea was just to sit comfortably, and in order to sit comfortably in meditation for a long period of time, stretching helps.
01:52:07.000And then they discovered one very wonderful thing as people meditated.
01:52:13.000The main job of meditation, they found, is to create gap between thoughts.
01:52:23.000So once they discovered that the idea of slowing down the mental process helps enormously our creativity, our spirituality, Once they found that out, then they realized the next wonderful thing is that isn't yoga also a way of slowing down the body?
01:52:43.000Isn't pranayama a way of slowing down the breaths and therefore all the organs?
01:52:47.000So the interest grew that yoga itself, photoyoga itself, It's not just stretching or just working on the joints.
01:52:57.000It's also a way to slow down the body and therefore the mind.
01:53:03.000It's indirectly slowing down the mind because if the body is slow, mind will also be slow.
01:53:08.000By focusing on the poses and your breath and your intake.
01:56:53.000He thought you were all going to go to jail.
01:56:54.000He was also high, but he didn't want to get caught up in that difficult situation.
01:56:59.000In the future, and for folks who have never heard me say this before, even though I've said it a million times, when you eat cannabis, it has a completely different psychoactive effect when you eat it.
01:57:11.000When cannabis is processed by the liver, it produces something called 11-hydroxy metabolite, which is approximately four to five times more psychoactive than THC. So that's why it has that insane effect.
01:57:24.000It's not just insane, it's an alien effect that you don't get when you smoke pot.
01:57:28.000Eating it is a very, very different experience, and you could easily overdo it.
01:57:33.000Maybe your wife just got so hot, she's like, I'm just going to pretend to be blacked out, and it's way less stressful than walking around.
01:57:39.000Well, she did say that she was taking it a little bit.
01:57:54.000And then driving under it, you know, this is why I don't really like the idea of legalizing marijuana in a sand, because driving with marijuana, not marijuana, at least the oral kind, It's very, very difficult.
01:58:10.000That driving experience was the most difficult half hour in my entire life.
01:59:07.000In fact, you know, my change came only after I realized it.
01:59:12.000One day I was at a conference on nuclear physics, giving a paper, erudite paper, of course, nothing to do with everyday life, and I give this paper with gusto.
01:59:22.000Nobody appreciates it, at least so I thought.
01:59:24.000And I think that the other guys, although they are talking about equally esoteric nonsense, but they are much more appreciated by the audience and at the party especially, by the women, the fair sex.
02:02:34.000I do in the sense that, yes, creativity has a component of free will.
02:02:40.000It starts with the free will of the ego.
02:02:42.000Ego has one free will, which is a very crucial element of creativity, which is that at some point the ego realizes that it really does not know.
02:02:56.000And therefore, start saying no to all conditioning.
02:03:00.000No to condition meanings, no to condition habits, no to condition patterns, no to condition behavior.
02:04:40.000You have to become open first, that, okay, with this rational mind, which has only learned about abstract thinking, you are not going to Integrate my emotions of the hunter-gatherer days with the one that is today who is all the suppressed emotions.
02:05:13.000So the idea that So in saying, I'm sorry, this is a hard way to wrap your head around it, but in saying that you have free will and you don't have free will at the same time.
02:06:06.000I mean, nobody would give up that freedom if a tyrant comes and says that, no, you don't have the choice to choose the flavor of ice cream, even.
02:06:47.000It's also Our will, in some sense, but coming from a higher consciousness, that's the difference, coming from that non-local consciousness.
02:06:55.000So real freedom of choice is beyond ego's free will to that free will that enables me to choose a creative answer.
02:09:24.000You lose freedom because you are not able to suspend your belief system.
02:09:29.000If you suspend your belief system, many other experiences immediately find meaning.
02:09:35.000But this kind of rationality precludes emotions, precludes intuition, There's a problem with the definition, the word rational, like you're being irrational, you're not being, have some rational thinking, and then rationalizing, which is a negative,
02:09:51.000you know, rationalizing, it's a very strange.
02:09:53.000But it's the same idea, taking it too far.
02:09:56.000When you say rationalize, what we are really saying is that you are using rational thinking to where it does not belong.
02:10:05.000We rationalize a way where intuition belongs.
02:10:08.000We rationalize a way where emotions belong.
02:10:10.000So instead, the new science, what the new science does, it admits it's a science of experience, not just sensory experience that materialists agree with.
02:10:21.000The new science says that our emotions, our thinking, and our intuition, all three are valid ways of knowing, in addition to sensing.
02:10:36.000So we have four valid ways of knowing, physical, vital, mental, and supramental, the intuition.
02:10:43.000And when we employ all four ways of knowing, we go beyond the rational being.
02:10:48.000In the rational being, we go only the physical way of knowing and the mental, rational, logical way of knowing.
02:10:58.000A great quote, rather, that the only thing smart people are better at is rationalizing their dumb ideas.
02:11:05.000That's a very funny thing when it comes to certain focuses, certain things that people do rationalize, whether it's environmental disasters or doing things in other countries that are unethical or immoral.
02:11:22.000The ability to rationalize, and especially the ability to rationalize on a large scale, like as a corporation, It's a key problem with the civilization, isn't it?
02:12:21.000We know about creativity so much today that if people are investing, I think we really can inspire Lot of very capable people in a lifestyle which will generate happy people.
02:12:39.000Well, let me tell you something what we're doing because this is not something we ever set out to do.
02:12:43.000When Brian and I started this podcast three years ago, it was just on a laptop in my office and we were just trying to have some fun.
02:12:49.000We were just doing it just to be silly.
02:12:51.000We had done previous things like that, webcasts where we had done them in hotel rooms and when we were on the road doing stand-up.
02:13:00.000Over the course of three years, one of the things that's happened is people have told us that what they've gotten in this podcast, in this communication, is they've gotten an ability to interact or at least hear people interact that are like no one they know.
02:13:16.000So they're changing the way they think about life.
02:13:20.000They're seeing that there's other ways to look at things.
02:13:23.000And in fact, a lot of your reality is shaped by the way you choose to view the world and that you can morph that and change that.
02:13:31.000And this podcast, and again, we're not taking credit for it because I didn't know it was going to happen, has had an amazingly profound effect on people.
02:13:39.000Whereas I've talked to Literally hundreds of people that say the podcast changed their life, and that once they started listening, they started eating healthy, they started exercising, they feel better, they think about things better, they try not to be a shitty person, they try to be positive, and they understand and feel the effect of this positive thinking.
02:13:58.000I agree with you, and again, we're not taking credit for this.
02:14:02.000This is something that just happened on its own.
02:14:04.000Is it a side effect of allowing people into your life and into your way of thinking?
02:15:02.000What happens then is we don't understand each other anymore.
02:15:05.000So here you are, not so much conversant with the new science vocabulary, and here I am, without teaching you any vocabulary, just get right into the discussion, and we had a dissonance of words for a while.
02:15:20.000I don't even think it was a dissonance, quite honestly.
02:15:22.000I think I was just trying to really...
02:15:25.000I was trying to play the part of the person that is listening to this, For the first time, I'm aware of these concepts, I'm aware of your work, and I really do appreciate you coming on the podcast to talk about it.
02:15:37.000But even for someone like me, who's read at least a half a dozen books on this stuff, it's hard to wrap your head around.
02:15:47.000I often say that quantum physics is simpler than Newtonian physics.
02:15:50.000Because Newtonian physics, you get very quickly the idea that, you know, science can solve everything.
02:15:56.000And in quantum physics, because the choice is brought into four from the beginning, immediately start relating that, hey, I know about choice, I know about, you know, this stuff is, science is giving us this stuff.
02:16:11.000Immediately, mind mellows a little, and the science becomes more humanistic.
02:16:16.000The last thing I wanted to ask you about, I can't let you go without this.
02:16:19.000Are you familiar with Dr. James Gates?
02:16:23.000He's a theoretical physicist and professor of physics at the University of Maryland with another guy named John.
02:16:31.000He's the John S. Toll professor of physics at the University of Maryland.
02:16:36.000He found self-correcting computer code in the equations of string theory.
02:16:43.000I don't know if you've heard about this.
02:16:46.000It was a really interesting Again, really hard to follow conversation that he had with Neil deGrasse Tyson, who we've had on the show, and I talked to Neil about it, and even he was trying to wrap his head around what this meant.
02:17:02.000But they found double and even self-dual linear binary code error correcting block code, which was first invented by Claude Shannon in the 1940s,
02:17:17.000has been discovered embedded within the equations of superstring theory.
02:17:24.000I'm laughing because here we are talking mainly about quantum physics and consciousness, and here you go into such a sophisticated discussion of something that is remotely connected with quantum physics, of course, you know, string theory.
02:17:37.000But, you know, yeah, it could very well be, but I'll tell you something.
02:17:41.000The reason I lost interest in such details is very simple.
02:17:47.000String theory is a good example of what The idea that people propose when they say the word pseudoscience.
02:18:10.000It's talking about too high an energy that we cannot simulate in the laboratory nor in the High-energy cosmology.
02:18:21.000So in other words, it's really very, very, very, very, very, very far out.
02:18:26.000So, you know, here we are at once, this rational culture that we call scientific materialism doesn't hesitate to talk about string theory, which is highly abstract mathematical theory.
02:18:42.000As a mind game, certainly it's interesting.
02:18:45.000And then they object Things like telepathy, which is very much human, where the objection, of course, is that it may not be quite apropos science because there may not be any good theory, there may not be any good data.
02:19:19.000But see, this is what puzzles me, that the culture is so obtuse that they will never call...
02:19:27.000There are many concepts like that, you know, which, because of their mathematical nature, they're accepted part of science, because they're mathematical, because mathematics is so vital it is felt.
02:19:41.000So you're not interested in this because there's literally no way to know whether it's correct or whether it's just daydreaming.
02:20:26.000It's just too abstract taking place in places that are so remote from the human experience that technological breakthroughs on the face of it is, you know,
02:20:42.000at least for high energy physics you could always give a technological justification for in the form of weapons technology.
02:20:50.000Not particularly good, but weapons technology at least is a feasible offshoot of energy physics.
02:20:57.000But these kind of stuff, you know, it's just a bit too far for my taste.
02:21:06.000We should concentrate instead of problems which can immediately be addressed, problems that has impact on who we are, what we are, what we are doing here, give us answers to real-life questions like how to run our life, how to run our society, how to run our economy.
02:21:43.000Yeah, I've never been able to understand that and I'm glad that you couldn't understand it either or that it can't be understood or that at least it can't be verified.
02:21:50.000It doesn't need to be understood because it can't be verified.
02:21:57.000Who needs to understand things, clutter up your brain for things which has no consequence in my life and cannot even be verified and can never be built, never give rise to any technology that I can relate to.
02:22:10.000Where there's so much crazy shit to concentrate on that is actually real.
02:23:50.000You said earlier in the podcast that now, because of lasers and stuff like that, you can measure particles a lot more accurately, and that's how you found that particles actually are moving.
02:24:02.000Do you, is the laser itself, is that an accurate tool?
02:24:09.000Because what if it was just, you know, the laser saying that, but then down, you know, 20 years from now, you find out, oh, it's just a laser.
02:24:18.000So, for a macro object, like we were talking about tables and chairs at that time, in between your looking and my looking, they move so very little, It's very hard to observe with just ordinary way that we measure,
02:24:47.000So triangulation becomes very accurate, because you really can go a long distance and Even that small measurement, you can triangulate and therefore measure it.
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