The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #351 - Georges St. Pierre

00:00:00.000 If you want to talk shit about our products, that's cool too. 1.00

00:00:03.000 Oh, you crazy fucks. 1.00

00:00:06.000 We're here. 1.00

00:00:07.000 We're live.

00:00:08.000 George St. Pierre is here.

00:00:09.000 This episode of the podcast.

00:00:11.000 Oh, you hear that?

00:00:12.000 That's me.

00:00:13.000 This episode of the podcast is brought to you by Onnit.com.

00:00:15.000 If you go to O-N-N-I-T, use the code name ROGAN. You will save yourself 10% off any of the supplements.

00:00:21.000 We've got a lot of new stuff there.

00:00:22.000 If you haven't been there, especially in the fitness department, we have, of course, the new Primal Kettlebells that are kettlebells. 0.99

00:00:29.000 With a chimpanzee's face that looks like he's biting your dick off. 0.99

00:00:33.000 That's what it looks like. 1.00

00:00:34.000 That's the look that a chimp makes Right when he clamps down on your nutsack. 1.00

00:00:40.000 Crazy little evil animals. 0.73

00:00:42.000 We also have weight vests.

00:00:43.000 And if you look at all this stuff, it looks like armor.

00:00:46.000 It's not.

00:00:46.000 It looks like steel mace is a weapon.

00:00:48.000 It's not, okay, folks? 0.99

00:00:49.000 It's just shit to work out with. 0.97

00:00:51.000 And George St. Pierre will tell you, functional strength is where it's at, right? 1.00

00:00:55.000 George, chin-ups and shit. 0.99

00:00:57.000 George is all into gymnastics and bodyweight exercises. 1.00

00:01:00.000 Every time I see this pull-up bar, it looks like a hacksaw.

00:01:02.000 Like, this is used to cut off your head of your enemy.

00:01:05.000 Yeah, underneath that tube where you do the chin-ups. 0.99

00:01:08.000 You've got to chop zombie heads off. 0.99

00:01:11.000 We've got all kinds of shit there, like medicine bells and lots of supplements to make your body and mind strong. 1.00

00:01:17.000 As a matter of fact, I just took four alpha brains right before this show, and I got a solid eight hours sleep. 0.99

00:01:23.000 That shit's important, right, George? 0.99

00:01:25.000 Absolutely. 1.00

00:01:25.000 Fuck yeah, that's George St. Pierre, bitches, right? 1.00

00:01:28.000 Respect. 1.00

00:01:29.000 When he says it's important, it's important.

00:01:31.000 I did not get eight hours sleep.

00:01:32.000 I don't believe you.

00:01:34.000 I think I went to bed at seven.

00:01:36.000 This episode is also brought to you by Stamps.com.

00:01:38.000 Stamps.com is one of the newer sponsors of our podcast.

00:01:43.000 Our podcast?

00:01:44.000 Is that what it is now?

00:01:45.000 It is when you're selling products, right?

00:01:47.000 It's like a podcast.

00:01:48.000 Stamps.com is...

00:01:50.000 The way it's set up is... 0.93

00:01:52.000 A lot of times if you have a small business and people sell out packages and shit, you have to go to the post office and they have to weigh all that stuff. 0.96

00:01:59.000 You have to wait in line. 1.00

00:02:00.000 It's a pain in the dick. 0.99

00:02:02.000 Nobody enjoys it. 1.00

00:02:03.000 And the lady, she doesn't want to see you walking up with your big stupid fucking bundle of packages that she has to weigh. 1.00

00:02:09.000 The whole thing takes a long ass time. 1.00

00:02:11.000 And there could be three or four people in front of you and they're all doing the same thing.

00:02:14.000 You're there forever.

00:02:15.000 Instead of that, you can do it all from your computer.

00:02:18.000 If you buy any of those Desquad t-shirts from Desquad.tv that Brian sells, that's exactly where they come from.

00:02:24.000 They're all this Stamps.com.

00:02:27.000 So you set it up so you weigh your stuff at your place.

00:02:31.000 You print up your own little postal thing on it.

00:02:35.000 Then there's paper or you can just print it right on the envelope. 0.91

00:02:38.000 It's really fucking easy.

00:02:39.000 Even Tom Seguro does it also. 0.98

00:02:41.000 We all do it.

00:02:41.000 If you listen to any podcast and they have merchandise, it's probably going through Stamps.com.

00:02:46.000 There's no way in the world you'd want to go to the post office that much.

00:02:51.000 And if you go to, there's a little, up in the upper right-hand corner, stamp.com, you can see there's a little microphone icon.

00:03:00.000 If you click on that and enter in the code name JRE, you'll get the offer that they're showing up there on the screen.

00:03:06.000 It's $55 in postage coupons and a free digital scale that you're not used yet.

00:03:13.000 You're not allowed to use it to measure your weed, okay? 0.99

00:03:16.000 This is only for the postman, you fucks. 0.99

00:03:20.000 Go to Stamps.com, enter in the code name JRE, and save yourself some money. 0.99

00:03:24.000 We're also brought to you by Hover.

00:03:26.000 If you've ever heard us talk about Ting on this show, Hover is owned by the same people that own Ting, and it's a domain name company.

00:03:35.000 And they have the same approach that Ting has.

00:03:37.000 You know, Ting's approach is trying to rip people off.

00:03:39.000 Try to give people a good product at a good price and keep everybody happy and make it easy.

00:03:45.000 And they put in things like free Whois domain name privacy, which when you register a site, like what was the one that you registered last time?

00:03:56.000 DickPartyInMyMouth.

00:03:57.000 DickPartyInMyMouth.com.

00:03:58.000 If you go to DickPartyInMyMouth.com, unless you're Brian Redman, if you're a normal dude with like a regular job...

00:04:04.000 You're like, man, I don't want to be associated with DickPartyMyMouth.com.

00:04:07.000 I would like to register this in privacy. 0.98

00:04:09.000 Well, with Hover, you can do that shit for free because they're not worried about all that. 0.93

00:04:15.000 They're trying to give you a fair product. 0.98

00:04:17.000 And if you go to Hover.com forward slash Rogan, you can save 10% off domain name registrations.

00:04:24.000 All right? 0.99

00:04:25.000 And if you do DickPartyMyMouth.com backslash Joe, you get an extra dick. 1.00

00:04:29.000 Hey, that's not true. 1.00

00:04:31.000 You fucking made that up. 0.99

00:04:34.000 That's it. 0.99

00:04:35.000 Wednesday night at the Ice House, we have a big fat comedy show with Brian Redband, Burt Kreischer, Tommy Segura, Tony Hinchcliffe, and me.

00:04:44.000 And it's 10 p.m.

00:04:46.000 and it's 15 bucks.

00:04:47.000 And it's like the best comics in LA stop by.

00:04:50.000 A lot of times it's like we've done them with like eight, ten people there.

00:04:53.000 The Ice House is awesome too.

00:04:55.000 And we're probably going to do a podcast with Bert earlier in the city.

00:05:00.000 But that's 10 p.m.

00:05:03.000 And then the other shows are May 3rd and 4th at the Sacramento Punchline.

00:05:08.000 It's Brian, Sam Tripoli, and Tony Hinchcliffe.

00:05:12.000 And then May 5th at Cobbs in San Francisco too.

00:05:17.000 Awesome clubs, too, by the way. 0.99

00:05:19.000 Alright, you fucks. 1.00

00:05:20.000 George St. Pierre is here, the goddamn welterweight champion of the world, bitches. 1.00

00:05:23.000 We're gonna get down to it. 1.00

00:05:25.000 Play the music, Brian.

00:05:29.000 The Joe Rogan Experience.

00:05:33.000 Oh, you cut out the Nick Diaz part.

00:05:35.000 I see what you did.

00:05:37.000 Very smart.

00:05:38.000 There was a thing that Nick Diaz had a quote.

00:05:41.000 It's like, you know, train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.

00:05:45.000 Do you not hate him now?

00:05:46.000 Folks who are just listening to this, George St. Pierre is our guest and he's the UFC welterweight champion of the world.

00:05:51.000 Just recently defended his title against Nick Diaz.

00:05:56.000 Are you cool with Nick now?

00:05:59.000 It seemed like you guys were complimentary after the fight.

00:06:02.000 I'm cool with him.

00:06:03.000 I don't know if he's cool with me.

00:06:04.000 I'm like, I'm alright.

00:06:06.000 I'm cool with everybody.

00:06:07.000 That dude turns everything into a personal affair, right?

00:06:11.000 Yes, he does. 0.99

00:06:12.000 Does that ever get to you when guys shit talk you? 0.99

00:06:14.000 Because you're like, if people didn't know you, alright? 0.97

00:06:16.000 If the average person did not know what you do, besides the look, you know, that you're physically strong, they would never think that you're a fighter.

00:06:23.000 You're a very friendly guy.

00:06:25.000 You're very, like, easy to...

00:06:26.000 I've seen you interact with a lot of different people over many years.

00:06:29.000 You're very easygoing.

00:06:31.000 Very nice to get along with.

00:06:32.000 Yeah, I don't want to be...

00:06:33.000 I don't want to look like a fighter when you talk to me, let's say, on the phone.

00:06:36.000 I want to...

00:06:37.000 I want to look like a normal human being.

00:06:40.000 That's a little bit the impression that people have sometimes.

00:06:43.000 Well, you're not just a nice guy.

00:06:45.000 You're honest about your own vulnerabilities, which I've always found fascinating.

00:06:50.000 You talk about what makes you scared.

00:06:52.000 You talk about what you're worried about.

00:06:55.000 Even this Nick Diaz fight, you're like, I'm scared because I don't want to lose to this guy.

00:06:59.000 There's a lot of people who never admit that.

00:07:01.000 Yeah, but I think it makes you stronger to admit that you're scared because you're not scared to say that you're scared.

00:07:08.000 Right.

00:07:09.000 Someone who doesn't admit it because he's scared to admit that he's scared.

00:07:13.000 He's scared of himself.

00:07:14.000 He's scared of what people are going to think about him.

00:07:16.000 I'm not scared of what people are going to think.

00:07:18.000 They have to see me as I am.

00:07:21.000 So I'm not scared to admit that I'm scared.

00:07:23.000 And it's almost like when you don't admit you're scared, it's like you're protecting yourself from evolving.

00:07:28.000 Because the only way you can ever be realistic about a situation and get better at anything in life is you've got to accurately address what's happening.

00:07:36.000 True, 100%.

00:07:37.000 There's some people that don't do that, and I think that cuts them off from a certain amount of progress in life.

00:07:44.000 I think there's walls that you put up yourself because you're not willing to look at your own failures.

00:07:50.000 100%.

00:07:51.000 You're not honest with yourself.

00:07:55.000 That's what it is a little bit. 1.00

00:07:57.000 Yeah, so admitting you're afraid is like, so what, bitch? 1.00

00:08:02.000 I know you're afraid too. 0.99

00:08:04.000 You know what?

00:08:04.000 As much as I'm afraid, I'm going to make that walk the day of it and I'm going to do it regardless.

00:08:12.000 And it sounds more crazy.

00:08:13.000 I would be more afraid of a guy that says, I'm afraid, but you know what?

00:08:18.000 I'm going to still do it and I don't care.

00:08:20.000 If I'm afraid, bring it, I'll do it.

00:08:22.000 This sounds crazy to me.

00:08:24.000 More than a guy said, oh, no, no, no, I'm not afraid because this guy is afraid to say that he's afraid.

00:08:29.000 Like, man, you know what I mean?

00:08:31.000 To me, personally, that's what it is.

00:08:34.000 Yeah, the posturing and posing, it's unnecessary.

00:08:37.000 Exactly.

00:08:41.000 But you are afraid of aliens though, right?

00:08:44.000 Yeah, I'm afraid of a lot of things.

00:08:46.000 Is it true that you have a path mapped out in your house?

00:08:50.000 How to get out if the aliens show up?

00:08:52.000 No!

00:08:52.000 No?

00:08:53.000 That's the rumor, man.

00:08:54.000 That's what I heard.

00:08:55.000 I heard you have a plan.

00:08:57.000 Because I know you like to use game plans.

00:08:59.000 So I figured you had an alien...

00:09:00.000 I know karate and I know jiu-jitsu.

00:09:03.000 So if the aliens show up, I put a triangle choke on him. 0.98

00:09:06.000 And I also have a katana, a Japanese katana, so if they come, I can slice them apart. 1.00

00:09:12.000 Wow, do you keep a sword in your house?

00:09:14.000 Yes, I have.

00:09:15.000 It's a collection, you know, it's for me. 0.99

00:09:18.000 You better not bring any crazy bitches home. 1.00

00:09:20.000 Oh, man, it's... 1.00

00:09:21.000 A sword and crazy bitches. 1.00

00:09:23.000 I have this hacksaw on the side of my bed that I always forget is there, and I always, like, almost cut my finger off all the time. 0.99

00:09:28.000 Yeah, you should put that in the garage, son. 1.00

00:09:31.000 Fuck this robin' juice. 1.00

00:09:32.000 It's like this big sword slash meat cleaver that it's just awesome. 1.00

00:09:37.000 So do you really have a fear of aliens or is this just a bullshit rumor? 0.97

00:09:41.000 Didn't you do a countdown show and you did a whole thing talking about how you're being scared of being abducted by aliens? 0.99

00:09:47.000 Yeah, I'm scared.

00:09:48.000 I'm scared of a lot of things.

00:09:51.000 But that's a specific one.

00:09:53.000 I'll get into it.

00:09:56.000 I can't talk about it right now.

00:09:58.000 You can't talk about it right now?

00:10:00.000 One day I'm going to come out and make a big thing about it, but no.

00:10:03.000 Are they in the room right now?

00:10:05.000 Have you had an experience with aliens?

00:10:09.000 No, no, no, no, no.

00:10:11.000 I don't believe you.

00:10:12.000 I don't believe you.

00:10:14.000 I don't know.

00:10:15.000 You don't know.

00:10:15.000 You might have had an experience with him.

00:10:17.000 My manager is going to have a heart attack right now.

00:10:19.000 Listen, my brother, I would never do or lead you down any path that's bad for your career. 0.99

00:10:25.000 Just as you said that it's good to be afraid, it's also good to be honest about everything, even shit that sounds crazy. 0.90

00:10:31.000 No, no, no. 0.98

00:10:32.000 That's the thing.

00:10:33.000 I'm honest.

00:10:34.000 Look, I'm honest.

00:10:36.000 I'm afraid.

00:10:37.000 But I don't have to tell everything on the public.

00:10:40.000 It's true.

00:10:41.000 You don't. 0.94

00:10:43.000 Did you have sex with an alien? 1.00

00:10:44.000 Because you're a smart guy. 1.00

00:10:45.000 Let me tell you, you're a very smart guy.

00:10:47.000 You know how to dig into people's minds.

00:10:50.000 And as much as I like you, I hate that about you.

00:10:54.000 Because he put me on the spot right now, but he's a very smart guy.

00:10:57.000 But no, no, I can't go too deep into this.

00:11:00.000 Listen, if I was on an alien spacecraft and I had sex with an alien, like I'm assuming you did, I feel like I would just come out and talk about it.

00:11:09.000 I don't know why you would hold that back.

00:11:11.000 No, but I mean...

00:11:13.000 Something happened, George.

00:11:15.000 I don't know.

00:11:15.000 It's either I'm crazy or maybe it really happened.

00:11:21.000 But I hope that I'm crazy.

00:11:23.000 I don't think you're crazy.

00:11:24.000 I hope I am.

00:11:25.000 I could be crazy.

00:11:26.000 You know, some people, some great minds, they've been hallucinating stuff.

00:11:31.000 Some people are, how do you say, maniacodepressive.

00:11:33.000 Some people are...

00:11:35.000 OCD, some people are this, some people are that.

00:11:38.000 And they've been able to achieve great stuff in their life.

00:11:42.000 So maybe I'm crazy.

00:11:43.000 Who knows?

00:11:43.000 I don't know.

00:11:44.000 I hope I'm crazy.

00:11:45.000 Well, are these experiences...

00:11:46.000 I can help you in one way.

00:11:48.000 Are these experiences happening at night?

00:11:51.000 I am not sure.

00:11:53.000 I am not sure.

00:11:54.000 Have any of these experiences happened while you've been in a dream state or where you've just been dreaming or just asleep and you were woken up?

00:12:03.000 I am not sure that I had...

00:12:05.000 I don't know.

00:12:05.000 I don't remember anything.

00:12:06.000 But it was nighttime type things.

00:12:09.000 Was it nighttime when you think you might have had something happen to you?

00:12:14.000 I can't say something happened to me.

00:12:16.000 I have no proof.

00:12:18.000 I just don't know.

00:12:19.000 What I'm going to tell you about is your brain produces a chemical while you're sleeping.

00:12:24.000 But I'm going to tell you something, and I'm going to be honest about it.

00:12:28.000 Sometime, I'm looking at the clock.

00:12:33.000 And it's like I wake up and I look at the clock right after and it's like the clock advanced like a four hour or two hours.

00:12:43.000 There's a time zone that I don't remember what happened.

00:12:45.000 It's called falling asleep.

00:12:47.000 I hope so.

00:12:49.000 What do you think?

00:12:49.000 You think you're getting snatched up and taken away for a couple hours?

00:12:52.000 No, I think maybe I fall asleep.

00:12:54.000 That's what I hope.

00:12:55.000 That's what I hope.

00:12:56.000 Or I can drive.

00:12:57.000 I can drive my car.

00:12:58.000 I can drive my car.

00:12:59.000 And it already happened.

00:13:01.000 I drove my car somewhere.

00:13:02.000 What, you're sleeping?

00:13:03.000 I don't know.

00:13:04.000 I drove my car on a normal day.

00:13:05.000 Like going somewhere.

00:13:07.000 Then I look and it's two hours past.

00:13:10.000 I'm like, two hours I just passed.

00:13:13.000 Like this.

00:13:14.000 Maybe I watched my clock and I made a mistake myself.

00:13:23.000 Right.

00:13:23.000 Most likely, right?

00:13:25.000 Yes, of course.

00:13:26.000 I hope so.

00:13:27.000 Well, that's very minor stuff.

00:13:29.000 That's very minor stuff.

00:13:30.000 Yeah.

00:13:31.000 But that could be you being tired because you push yourself and a lot of stress.

00:13:36.000 It's exactly what I hope so.

00:13:38.000 It's exactly what I hope so. 0.98

00:13:40.000 But you don't have any memories of great dudes putting fingers up your butt? 0.99

00:13:43.000 No, I don't. 0.99

00:13:43.000 None of that. 0.99

00:13:44.000 I've had a joke where you're driving down the street, like on the highway, and you're just kind of dazed out.

00:13:48.000 And you're like, wait, how long have I been...

00:13:49.000 I've been dazed out for like 20 minutes.

00:13:52.000 What have I been doing for 20 minutes?

00:13:53.000 You can totally go on autopilot, yeah.

00:13:55.000 And then you just realize almost all of a sudden you're home.

00:13:58.000 But the thing about being exhausted and sleep and having these experiences at night, there's a chemical your brain makes that's one of the most powerful psychedelic drugs known to man.

00:14:11.000 So one of the things they're trying to connect, it's called DMT, and one of the things they're trying to connect is people having near-death experiences and people that have had UFO, alien abduction type experiences, and this chemical.

00:14:24.000 And that they can introduce this chemical into the human body, and these people have very similar experiences to what they had when they had a UFO encounter or when they had a white light.

00:14:48.000 But this is not a UFO encounter.

00:14:51.000 A UFO is an unidentified flying object.

00:14:55.000 The encounter you talk about, if they've been taking a board, this is different.

00:15:00.000 It could be a third type encounter.

00:15:04.000 There's many ways, but this is different.

00:15:08.000 You talk about me, I don't have any memory of such thing.

00:15:13.000 Like you say, sometimes I fall asleep, then I wake up, the time passes.

00:15:19.000 But that's just because you're tired, man.

00:15:21.000 That's not aliens.

00:15:23.000 But are you worried?

00:15:24.000 You're like, man, maybe it's aliens.

00:15:25.000 Is that what you do?

00:15:26.000 No, it's because I'm...

00:15:29.000 I feel like I didn't fall asleep, and I'm not tired.

00:15:32.000 I'm wide awake awake.

00:15:33.000 But I fall asleep like this, and it's kind of weird.

00:15:36.000 Are these on hard sparring days?

00:15:38.000 No.

00:15:39.000 No?

00:15:39.000 Just a normal day?

00:15:40.000 It could happen every day.

00:15:42.000 You should get a GoPro, like a camera, and just record yourself all the time.

00:15:46.000 And then when you ever think that happens, watch it.

00:15:49.000 I mean, those things record for like eight hours at a time somehow.

00:15:52.000 Yeah.

00:15:52.000 How long has this been going on?

00:15:54.000 Since I'm a kid.

00:15:55.000 Wow.

00:15:57.000 Wow.

00:15:58.000 Wouldn't it be crazy if the aliens manufactured you to be a mixed martial arts fighter?

00:16:07.000 I'm sure if it would have happened, I would have been much better than this.

00:16:12.000 Much better than this? 1.00

00:16:13.000 You're the fucking champion. 1.00

00:16:14.000 What are you talking about? 1.00

00:16:14.000 Yeah, but if I would be alien manufacturer, I would be Superman, you know? 1.00

00:16:17.000 Well, they just won't want to get ridiculous with it.

00:16:20.000 It has to be realistic. 0.73

00:16:21.000 Yeah, that would be obvious. 1.00

00:16:22.000 You can't turn a guy into a goddamn superhero. 0.99

00:16:25.000 Maybe they manufacture Anderson Silva, John Jones. 0.99

00:16:28.000 Maybe they did Rosaldo.

00:16:30.000 Maybe someone needs to talk to them about their sleep patterns.

00:16:32.000 Maybe they're falling asleep behind the wheel too and being sucked aboard a spaceship for repairs.

00:16:36.000 Maybe they don't want to talk about it.

00:16:38.000 Maybe they don't say, but maybe they are.

00:16:40.000 I don't know.

00:16:41.000 I'm just pretending.

00:16:43.000 I think it's funny though that that's maybe one subject that you had a really hard time talking about that.

00:16:49.000 I do.

00:16:49.000 Because it sounds crazy.

00:16:51.000 Yes.

00:16:51.000 And I will talk about it one day.

00:16:54.000 I'm going to talk about my fear, all that stuff.

00:16:58.000 But now I don't get deep into this.

00:17:02.000 But I promise one day I'll talk about stuff.

00:17:07.000 You promise one day?

00:17:09.000 Yeah, I promise one day.

00:17:10.000 What's that?

00:17:11.000 There is no tomorrow.

00:17:12.000 Didn't you see Rocky 3?

00:17:14.000 When Apollo Creed says that to Rocky Balboa?

00:17:16.000 It's true.

00:17:17.000 Like you said, maybe I'll die one day. 0.75

00:17:19.000 Maybe I'll die tomorrow. 0.93

00:17:20.000 I hope I touch wood nut. 0.85

00:17:22.000 How did you say that?

00:17:24.000 Was that French?

00:17:25.000 I touch wood nut?

00:17:26.000 I touch the wood.

00:17:27.000 You don't want it to happen.

00:17:31.000 Yeah, just let it go.

00:17:33.000 Whatever information you got, spill it.

00:17:35.000 No, but I don't know.

00:17:35.000 I'm doing my own research.

00:17:37.000 I'm researching on myself.

00:17:39.000 Like you say, that's the thing that you just told me.

00:17:41.000 It's very interesting.

00:17:42.000 The chemical that Buddy produces.

00:17:45.000 I'm happy that I meet you today and you tell that about me because it makes me happy now.

00:17:50.000 Yeah, I think a lot of people think they're going crazy.

00:17:54.000 Your brain makes psychedelic drugs.

00:17:57.000 Your brain produces parts of your liver and your lungs.

00:18:01.000 They don't know why this stuff is in the body, but it's super potent psychedelic.

00:18:06.000 Your brain makes it.

00:18:07.000 It happens when you're sleeping.

00:18:09.000 The speculation is that it happens during REM sleep.

00:18:12.000 I don't think they have the most accurate way of measuring it.

00:18:15.000 But they know it's in the body and they believe, the theory is that it comes out during periods of heavy stress or when your body thinks it's going to die or in REM sleep.

00:18:25.000 Those are the times that you have higher levels of this stuff in your neurochemical soup.

00:18:31.000 That's interesting.

00:18:32.000 It's crazy.

00:18:34.000 Why would your brain produce an incredibly potent psychedelic drug?

00:18:38.000 So a lot of people that are having these nighttime experiences could be just varying levels of this chemical that's going around in your brain.

00:18:46.000 But that doesn't mean that these experiences aren't real. 0.97

00:18:48.000 We don't know what the fuck sleeping is anyway. 0.84

00:18:50.000 I mean, what is sleeping? 0.98

00:18:51.000 You shut your eyes, you shut off, you don't exist in this plane, and your consciousness goes somewhere else.

00:18:57.000 Like, literally, you have no memory of a giant chunk of your day, and we have no problem with it, and yet we don't connect it to any other realm or the idea of there being other dimensions.

00:19:08.000 You go into another dimension when you go to sleep.

00:19:10.000 Okay?

00:19:10.000 You do.

00:19:11.000 You just shut off.

00:19:12.000 You stop.

00:19:13.000 And for all intents and purposes, you are in another dimension.

00:19:16.000 And if while you're in that other dimension, your brain is being pumped with this psychedelic chemical, That when you take it, when you're sober, makes you have these incredible experiences.

00:19:24.000 It just seems like a normal thing to look into.

00:19:28.000 People should be looking into that.

00:19:30.000 What is happening when you're sleeping?

00:19:33.000 You go away! 0.94

00:19:35.000 And everybody's just so used to it.

00:19:37.000 They're like, no big deal.

00:19:38.000 We just go away.

00:19:39.000 Just go away for eight hours a day.

00:19:42.000 Everybody's scared to die.

00:19:43.000 And no one's scared to fall asleep.

00:19:46.000 You're shutting off, man.

00:19:48.000 You know you're gonna be back, so you're not worried.

00:19:49.000 But you're shutting off.

00:19:51.000 Whatever that is, you know, is just accepted. 0.99

00:19:54.000 If sleeping didn't exist, it would be the craziest fucking thing. 0.94

00:19:58.000 If all of a sudden you told people that they had to shut off for eight hours a night and just completely not be aware, they'd be like, what are you talking about? 0.99

00:20:04.000 I gotta shut off?

00:20:05.000 They'd be like, yeah, you're gonna shut off for eight hours a night and you're not gonna know what's happening. 0.99

00:20:09.000 People can touch your balls while you're sleeping. 0.99

00:20:12.000 You'll have no way of stopping them. 0.99

00:20:14.000 There's a lot of things that can happen.

00:20:15.000 The truth is, like you said, we don't know. 0.98

00:20:17.000 We don't know what the fuck that is. 0.99

00:20:19.000 I could, like you said, it's not that I'm afraid to be crazy. 0.99

00:20:22.000 It's just I can say whatever the hell I want, and we don't know.

00:20:26.000 Maybe, you know what I mean?

00:20:27.000 We don't know.

00:20:28.000 We don't know the truth.

00:20:28.000 We have no idea.

00:20:29.000 Yeah, somebody might be stealing time from you.

00:20:31.000 They might be stealing time. 1.00

00:20:33.000 They're like, this motherfucker's got too much time. 1.00

00:20:35.000 The truth is... 0.99

00:20:37.000 I feel like I had experience, but I don't know what it is.

00:20:41.000 So for me to say it's alien or say it's the drug chemical you talk about, I don't know.

00:20:46.000 I can't tell you right now.

00:20:47.000 I don't know what it is.

00:20:48.000 But I felt like it could have been an experience or not.

00:20:52.000 Maybe I felt maybe I'm crazy and it's the normal thing that everybody would like.

00:20:57.000 But right now, I don't know.

00:20:59.000 I'm making my own research to find out about that.

00:21:01.000 How are you researching?

00:21:03.000 I research a lot of stuff, documentaries and things, and go on the internet.

00:21:09.000 Now it's another thing that you just said to me, I'm going to research that.

00:21:11.000 Maybe I research on the wrong...

00:21:13.000 Maybe I research things that people have tried.

00:21:15.000 Because that lapse of time that you don't remember, some people have been hypnotized and they had bad...

00:21:23.000 Bad adventure.

00:21:24.000 And I don't want to be an update.

00:21:25.000 Well, that's very controversial.

00:21:28.000 What's happening during hypnosis, hypnotic regression, it's very controversial.

00:21:33.000 Because there's a lot of people that believe that you can introduce fake memories into a person while they're unconscious.

00:21:39.000 And then you could steer the events in one way or another and introduce false memories.

00:21:45.000 It's not very reliable, I don't think.

00:21:49.000 So that's one of the big things about these people that have these crazy stories from hypnotic regression. 0.98

00:21:53.000 Like, what the fuck is really going on? 0.99

00:21:55.000 You know, you don't know. 0.99

00:21:56.000 A lot of times people that are in therapy in the first place are a little wound up.

00:22:00.000 Of course, of course.

00:22:00.000 So it's that.

00:22:01.000 Those are the type of people that you're dealing with.

00:22:03.000 You're hypnotizing them.

00:22:04.000 And then you're finding out about these nutty experiences with aliens. 1.00

00:22:08.000 Who knows what the fuck you're really... 0.99

00:22:09.000 But I'm going to tell you, it's like Socrates used to say... 1.00

00:22:13.000 You take a fish in the water, okay?

00:22:16.000 And the fish, he lives in his environment.

00:22:19.000 Let's say a fisherman, he grabs a fish in the water.

00:22:22.000 He pulls it off the water.

00:22:23.000 Look at him.

00:22:24.000 Make the fish look around and drop the fish back in the water.

00:22:28.000 The fish after, he's going to go back to his friend and he's going to tell the other fish, man, Abel pulled out of the water and people were breathing air.

00:22:38.000 It was another environment.

00:22:39.000 I saw a human being, a man grabbing me.

00:22:43.000 I saw trees.

00:22:44.000 I saw a bird in the sky.

00:22:45.000 I saw...

00:22:47.000 Like a sun, I'm like, I see a different thing in a different universe.

00:22:52.000 And then he put me back.

00:22:53.000 The other fish will think he's completely insane, you know?

00:22:55.000 And it's normal!

00:22:56.000 So maybe, in a way, we're all like fish.

00:22:59.000 And maybe there is something, like you said, like when you see another universe or another world or something, and we don't know.

00:23:07.000 And we're right next to it, but we don't know.

00:23:09.000 And if that's why I'm doing research, I want to see, you know, I want to grow as a human being, find what's the truth, even though I probably will never find out the truth.

00:23:18.000 But I want to get closer and closer and find my own research, see what's happening, you know, and we're all in the same pattern, you know.

00:23:25.000 You know what I think the problem with people wanting to find the truth is there is no truth.

00:23:30.000 There are truths.

00:23:32.000 I think there is no one truth.

00:23:34.000 And everyone is like, someday I hope to find the truth.

00:23:36.000 Like, what are you talking about?

00:23:37.000 It's not one thing.

00:23:38.000 There's truths.

00:23:39.000 There's a lot of information.

00:23:41.000 There's a lot of stuff.

00:23:42.000 And to call it the truth, like to figure out the whole big thing, it's almost impossible for our brains to grasp.

00:23:49.000 Like an ant doesn't know what a cell phone tower is.

00:23:52.000 It's almost impossible for our brains to grasp the enormity of going from protons and cells and an animal and a planet and a galaxy and a universe and multiple universes.

00:24:08.000 It's not, it's too much.

00:24:10.000 There's no way you're going to be able to take all the things that are going in all over the world and understand it all and understand the pieces that it falls into.

00:24:19.000 It's not possible.

00:24:20.000 So this whole thing where I was like, I'm going to, you know, hopefully I'll find the truth.

00:24:23.000 You will find truths. 0.98

00:24:25.000 You will never find the truth because you're a monkey. 0.99

00:24:29.000 Yeah, we're not smart enough. 0.98

00:24:31.000 Yeah, I understand what you say.

00:24:33.000 We are being birthed into...

00:24:37.000 A whole new universe of information that's never existed for any previous human beings.

00:24:43.000 And we're not designed for it.

00:24:45.000 We're not designed to process this.

00:24:46.000 We're designed to figure out where the deer are going. 1.00

00:24:48.000 We're designed to figure out who do you want to fuck. 1.00

00:24:50.000 We're designed to think this guy, he's probably going to take over my village, this cunt. 1.00

00:24:54.000 And that's how we're designed. 0.97

00:24:56.000 And then within the last 10,000 years, that has become, you know, watching like space documentaries and getting on the internet and it's too much.

00:25:06.000 There's no way.

00:25:07.000 There's no way you know exactly what's going on all over the world.

00:25:09.000 You'll go crazy.

00:25:11.000 You don't have the time.

00:25:12.000 It will take a lot of time to acclimate.

00:25:16.000 I agree 100% with that.

00:25:18.000 Have you heard of a lot of these guys, like Dan Hardy did this, going to Peru and they take these ayahuasca ceremonies?

00:25:24.000 Did you hear about that?

00:25:25.000 No.

00:25:26.000 You didn't hear about that?

00:25:27.000 Dan Hardy did it.

00:25:29.000 Again, wait to get him on the podcast and talk to him about it, but he said it changed his whole life.

00:25:33.000 And it's the same thing.

00:25:34.000 It's DMT. It's these Amazon Indians, they make it in a brew, and the active ingredient in this brew is DMT, and they have these ceremonies.

00:25:45.000 And they all get together and they'll play music and this guy like blows tobacco smoke in your face and you drink this stuff and an hour and 20 minutes later they enter into the spirit world.

00:25:55.000 Have life-changing visions of the wildest physical manifestations of your imagination you could ever possibly think of and dream of.

00:26:06.000 You can't even think about it.

00:26:07.000 You can't even put it into words.

00:26:09.000 And it's legal in Peru.

00:26:11.000 You know, it's legal in parts of South America.

00:26:13.000 So people are going down there.

00:26:14.000 Americans are going down there on a regular basis and having these shamanic rituals, life-changing rituals.

00:26:20.000 And it's all based on the same thing that comes out of your brain when you're dreaming.

00:26:23.000 Yeah. 0.95

00:26:24.000 Pretty nutty.

00:26:24.000 Yeah, it could make you realize things.

00:26:27.000 Like you say, learn about yourself, you know.

00:26:29.000 Do you meditate?

00:26:31.000 I wouldn't say meditate, I would say visualizing, yes.

00:26:35.000 Visualizing?

00:26:36.000 So with specific tasks in mind?

00:26:38.000 Like visualizing fight strategies?

00:26:41.000 Fights, visualizing what I want in my life, where I wanted to be in 20 years.

00:26:46.000 I've tried to visualize where I could be and what I want.

00:26:49.000 It could be about fight, it could be about anything.

00:26:53.000 It could be about my training and One hour, what I'm going to do.

00:26:58.000 About everything.

00:27:00.000 It could be in business.

00:27:01.000 It could be when I'm going to meet someone, what I'm going to say.

00:27:05.000 It could be about everything.

00:27:06.000 Do you have very specific goals for your life?

00:27:10.000 Do you have things written down?

00:27:11.000 Yes, I do.

00:27:12.000 Do you write them down?

00:27:14.000 Yeah, I have goals.

00:27:15.000 Some I wrote it down, some I don't.

00:27:17.000 But yeah, I do.

00:27:18.000 I do have a specific goal.

00:27:20.000 I have goals for my career, but I have bigger goals than this.

00:27:22.000 Much bigger.

00:27:23.000 Much bigger goal than your career.

00:27:25.000 Yeah, like for example...

00:27:25.000 Are you going to be president of the world?

00:27:27.000 No, no, but I want to be...

00:27:28.000 For example, one of my goals is to be married, have a wife with at least five kids, four or five kids, minimum.

00:27:37.000 Wow.

00:27:38.000 I want to have a lot of kids.

00:27:39.000 That's one of my goals, you know?

00:27:40.000 That's my goal.

00:27:41.000 And that's...

00:27:42.000 I'm not there yet, but it's one of my goals, you know?

00:27:44.000 I don't think you're going to have a problem finding a nice lady. 1.00

00:27:48.000 Find a nice lady that I can get along with. 0.97

00:27:52.000 Well, I think you're better off in Canada.

00:27:54.000 I have a lot of kids.

00:27:55.000 Look up in Canada.

00:27:57.000 Japan.

00:27:57.000 That's where you need to stay.

00:27:59.000 Don't be trying to get these American chicks. 1.00

00:28:02.000 They'll get mouthy. 0.67

00:28:04.000 Especially after you retire. 1.00

00:28:05.000 You all retired and shit. 1.00

00:28:08.000 That's so funny. 0.98

00:28:11.000 Do you have a clear timeline as to when you're going to discontinue your fighting career?

00:28:17.000 No, I don't.

00:28:18.000 I didn't plan this.

00:28:21.000 Now I'm focusing on my career right now.

00:28:23.000 I wanted to be the best at what I do, and I want to be the guy that made the difference in the sport, help the sport, the UFC, grow and be more mainstream everywhere. 0.99

00:28:36.000 Well, you've already done that just by being who you are, by your personality, your ability to just be a normal guy who just happens to be one of the baddest motherfuckers on the planet. 0.96

00:28:47.000 Yeah, but it still is a lot of things to do. 0.99

00:28:51.000 In some countries, it's illegal.

00:28:55.000 Sure, there's still a lot of work to do as far as the spread of MMA. Not just some countries, some states.

00:29:00.000 It's still illegal in New York State.

00:29:02.000 When I first started, yeah.

00:29:04.000 When I'm from my country, it was illegal in Canada, you know.

00:29:08.000 It was not sanctioned and everything.

00:29:10.000 So this I'm happy at least where I live now.

00:29:12.000 It's good and it's very popular.

00:29:15.000 Yeah, I watched your first fights, man.

00:29:17.000 I watched you in the TKO organization.

00:29:19.000 Yeah.

00:29:20.000 Yeah, I watched all those.

00:29:22.000 I've always been a big, big fan of MMA, and I think that it's so important that there's all these other organizations going on, like that MFC up in Canada, and it used to be Strikeforce, and now there's Bellator's doing really well.

00:29:36.000 It's so important to have a bunch of different outlets For guys to pursue their careers.

00:29:42.000 But up in Canada, it was just like that TKO organization, right?

00:29:44.000 Yeah, it was pretty much only the TKO. You guys fought in the ring?

00:29:49.000 Yeah, it was in a ring back then.

00:29:51.000 Some guys prefer the ring.

00:29:53.000 What do you prefer?

00:29:54.000 No, the cage.

00:29:55.000 The cage?

00:29:55.000 Yeah, the ring, it's not the environment.

00:29:59.000 The cage is better.

00:30:00.000 Or I would rather do like...

00:30:02.000 Yeah, the cage is perfect.

00:30:04.000 A circular, like octagon or circular cage.

00:30:07.000 Or even better than a ring, there would be like a platform where there is no walls.

00:30:14.000 There is like a line.

00:30:17.000 You don't fall but there is a line and if you step across the line, they put you back.

00:30:22.000 There is a line and then there is a bigger, so you don't fall but it's a platform.

00:30:28.000 It's way better.

00:30:28.000 I see what you're saying.

00:30:29.000 They have that in the Super League a little bit.

00:30:32.000 Like wrestling?

00:30:33.000 Like sumo.

00:30:34.000 Yeah, kind of sumo, yeah, exactly.

00:30:36.000 That would be good too.

00:30:37.000 Yeah, that's not a bad idea.

00:30:38.000 It's just a space consideration probably.

00:30:40.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:30:41.000 You don't want some Brock Lesnar dude just steamrolling someone right into the crowd.

00:30:45.000 It's true.

00:30:45.000 No, no, that would be outcourt, but something like that.

00:30:49.000 I think the cage is pretty good.

00:30:52.000 It's a good surface.

00:30:54.000 Yeah, the only objection that people have as fans is sometimes it makes the action a little harder to see if you're there.

00:31:01.000 You know, watching it at home is perfect.

00:31:02.000 I'm sure they could make a A material, which is like a window that could see through it.

00:31:09.000 Like a plastic window, which is soft. 0.99

00:31:11.000 Isn't it all greasy and shit? 0.98

00:31:12.000 Every time dudes would be like, what if that Daniel Cremier-Frank Mir fight happened? 0.99

00:31:16.000 The whole thing would be just grease. 0.95

00:31:18.000 You wouldn't be able to see shit, because those guys pressed up against every spot on that cage. 0.97

00:31:23.000 But it's also girl MMA now, and it could be like a car wash. 0.98

00:31:27.000 Like a girl MMA car wash. 1.00

00:31:28.000 It's true, but I'm sure there is a...

00:31:32.000 There's a lot of things I would have changed in the sport.

00:31:34.000 First of all, the time.

00:31:35.000 There's no time.

00:31:36.000 No round.

00:31:37.000 Right. 1.00

00:31:37.000 I think, seriously, I believe it's stupid, the round. 1.00

00:31:41.000 We want to see who's the best man. 1.00

00:31:42.000 Let them fight.

00:31:44.000 15 minutes or maybe 25 minutes for the championship.

00:31:47.000 No round.

00:31:47.000 Why the round?

00:31:48.000 Why we try to be like boxing?

00:31:50.000 We're not boxers.

00:31:51.000 They did rounds to be like boxing, to be accepted as a sport.

00:31:56.000 Yeah, there would probably be a lot more finishes if there was no time left.

00:32:00.000 Yeah, of course.

00:32:01.000 100%.

00:32:02.000 No round. 0.97

00:32:03.000 This is ridiculous. 0.95

00:32:04.000 I like it. 0.82

00:32:06.000 Do you think it's possible that the UFC... Would you fight someone like that?

00:32:11.000 100%.

00:32:12.000 Would you arrange that as a particular rule?

00:32:15.000 Maybe the UFC could do it in Russia or somewhere where they're gangster about it?

00:32:18.000 Yeah, I would rather fight in a rule like this.

00:32:22.000 I think we'll be more honest.

00:32:23.000 Like, who's the better man?

00:32:24.000 Let them fight, you know?

00:32:25.000 See, that could have happened in Pride.

00:32:27.000 They did that in Pride, right?

00:32:29.000 Doesn't Hoist Gracie have a 90-minute match with Sakuraba? 1.00

00:32:32.000 But I think that was like, even then, it was like...

00:32:35.000 That's when they used to be the real thing, you know?

00:32:37.000 Back in the day.

00:32:38.000 That's why I have so much respect for these guys.

00:32:40.000 Hoyce, Coleman, Dan Sovereign.

00:32:42.000 This guy is a pioneer, you know?

00:32:44.000 Oh, yeah.

00:32:45.000 The no time limit pioneers.

00:32:47.000 Harold Howard.

00:32:48.000 With his tank top.

00:32:50.000 With those crazy glasses.

00:32:52.000 Joe Son, though.

00:32:53.000 Who else did that?

00:32:55.000 Joe Son became like a...

00:32:56.000 Fredditch.

00:32:57.000 He's in jail for gang rape.

00:32:59.000 Oh my god, really?

00:33:01.000 Yeah, Joe Sando is a part of a gang rape. 0.88

00:33:03.000 Are you serious? 0.96

00:33:04.000 Yeah, apparently.

00:33:05.000 I didn't know that.

00:33:06.000 They arrested him for something else and got his DNA and connected it to a gang rape from years by.

00:33:12.000 Oh my god.

00:33:12.000 I'm wondering what happened to some of the other guys.

00:33:16.000 Harold Howard.

00:33:17.000 I think he got arrested.

00:33:18.000 He's a Canadian.

00:33:19.000 When I watched him, I was happy.

00:33:20.000 He's a Canadian guy. 1.00

00:33:21.000 I was like, yeah, let's kick ass, you know? 1.00

00:33:24.000 Everybody threw that crazy cartwheel kick on Steve Jennum. 0.99

00:33:28.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:33:29.000 That was good.

00:33:30.000 That was a good fight, you know?

00:33:31.000 Yeah, it was good, man.

00:33:32.000 How about the boxer Emerson with one glove?

00:33:35.000 Yeah.

00:33:36.000 Yeah, what was it?

00:33:37.000 Jimerson.

00:33:37.000 Art Jimerson.

00:33:38.000 Yes, yes.

00:33:38.000 What was that about?

00:33:40.000 Maybe he had a hurt hand or something.

00:33:42.000 No, I think he was thinking more like he's going to grab with one hand and swing with the other one.

00:33:46.000 I don't know.

00:33:47.000 Who knows what's going through their mind.

00:33:49.000 But it was awesome back then.

00:33:50.000 It was a real thing.

00:33:51.000 It was the time where I literally watched the fight back in the day and thought someone could die.

00:33:59.000 You needed to have so much courage back in the day to step into the octahoe, much more than nowadays.

00:34:05.000 Nowadays, you know, okay, before it's no weight class, nothing.

00:34:08.000 It was like unknown.

00:34:10.000 It was unknown.

00:34:11.000 I remember a fight like Norris against Pat Smith.

00:34:17.000 Man, the guy had blood everywhere before they stopped the fight.

00:34:23.000 Then you see a towel flying and he still didn't stop the fight.

00:34:27.000 I'm like, this is when the guy is the pioneer.

00:34:31.000 These guys, they were the real tough guy.

00:34:34.000 You know what I mean?

00:34:34.000 Yeah, there was no referee stopping the fight.

00:34:36.000 Yeah, no referee, no round, no athletic commission, no weight class, no this, no that, no A. Do you see fights where fights get stopped quickly?

00:34:46.000 Does that piss you off?

00:34:48.000 Well, you know, it's to protect the, you know, the referee can make a mistake sometimes, and it pisses me off.

00:34:52.000 Yeah, it's sad to see when there's a mistake done.

00:34:55.000 I think they try to be the best they could be, but, like, I can't believe the round.

00:35:01.000 I don't think round is a good idea.

00:35:03.000 That's my opinion, personally.

00:35:05.000 Just round in general.

00:35:06.000 Round is a bad idea, yeah.

00:35:07.000 What about gloves?

00:35:10.000 Some people think there should be no gloves.

00:35:12.000 Some people think if you can knee a guy and elbow a guy and kick a guy, why do you have covers on your knuckles?

00:35:18.000 That's true.

00:35:19.000 Could be an option.

00:35:20.000 But there would be a lot of broken hands.

00:35:22.000 But the problem is they would fight differently.

00:35:24.000 Like back in Pankration, I wrote stuff that they used to hit a lot with the smash, the hand, you know?

00:35:30.000 Yeah.

00:35:31.000 Well, if you watch the old Bas Rutten days in Pankrase, he figured out that he could throw punches.

00:35:38.000 He pulls his hand way back.

00:35:40.000 So instead of like slapping and like karate chop style, he was throwing punches.

00:35:45.000 But he was doing it with his palm.

00:35:47.000 Yeah.

00:35:47.000 But the thing is, we wouldn't fight the same way we would fight now to preserve our body.

00:35:52.000 Like when I fought Nick Diaz, he was in turtle position, I was punching.

00:35:56.000 Like if I would be bare hand, I would hit with my palm.

00:36:01.000 You know what I mean?

00:36:01.000 I wouldn't hit like the same way.

00:36:03.000 I would have probably broke my hand.

00:36:05.000 I never had my hand broken.

00:36:07.000 I'm lucky.

00:36:09.000 But, you know, I would fight different, different, different way.

00:36:12.000 It would make it better also for all the grappling aspect.

00:36:15.000 Yeah.

00:36:15.000 I'm a big fan of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and wrestling.

00:36:18.000 It would be better.

00:36:19.000 It would be more realistic.

00:36:20.000 I mean, I don't really understand why they have a pad on the gloves.

00:36:23.000 I mean, I think it's...

00:36:24.000 A hundred percent.

00:36:25.000 A hundred percent. 0.99

00:36:26.000 If you don't have pads on your shins and you're kicking people in the face, like, come on, that's crazy. 0.98

00:36:32.000 Like, you're going to pad little knuckles? 0.97

00:36:33.000 And yeah, you can cut people more, but it also breaks your hand more.

00:36:36.000 It's just, if you want to, if the sport...

00:36:38.000 If you're trying to have it be realistic, it's almost like bad to allow people to wear gloves because it allows them to tee off and punch as hard as they can without worrying about breaking their hands.

00:36:49.000 100%.

00:36:50.000 It's true.

00:36:51.000 And, you know, you could break your hand, but, you know, you hit a guy with a good punch in the jaw, you know, bare knuckle, I don't think he will break your hand, you know?

00:37:01.000 Just doing karate, you know?

00:37:03.000 Kerkoshin, you know? 0.98

00:37:04.000 Well, people are also...

00:37:06.000 You would punch much harder, of course, because the tape, I don't think it's the glove, I think it's the tape that holds the wrist, so there is no movement in the wrist and everything, all the impact makes it harder.

00:37:16.000 Yes, definitely.

00:37:17.000 That's why I believe.

00:37:18.000 Yeah, I think the hand wrap definitely aids the person who's punching.

00:37:22.000 But you also would be really cognizant of only punching with the first two knuckles.

00:37:27.000 Because in boxing, You know, you're taught to punch and concentrate on those knuckles, but in reality, a lot of times when you're throwing combinations, you're hitting them with all parts of your hand.

00:37:37.000 Whereas you're taught in karate, the idea of punching, you know, like a makiwara over and over and over again. 0.98

00:37:43.000 It's tough in these two knuckles.

00:37:45.000 Jack Dempsey says it's the third knuckle.

00:37:47.000 The third knuckle?

00:37:48.000 Yes, he used to punch with the third knuckle.

00:37:50.000 Interesting.

00:37:50.000 And he was known for punching power.

00:37:51.000 Yeah, he can punch very hard, Jack Dempsey.

00:37:54.000 Yes.

00:37:54.000 So he says it's the third knuckle because he said the alignment of the body is better with the third knuckle.

00:37:58.000 Hmm, that's interesting.

00:38:00.000 Well, I would never argue with Jack Dempsey, but most people believe that it's the first two years.

00:38:04.000 No, no, I know.

00:38:05.000 Karate, same thing they teach, but Jack Dempsey, strangely, says the third knuckle in the book.

00:38:10.000 He says that. 1.00

00:38:11.000 That guy was a fucking savage, huh? 1.00

00:38:13.000 Yeah, he was like... 1.00

00:38:15.000 Watch those old school fights and he would fight dudes much bigger than him.

00:38:19.000 He was only about a buck ninety.

00:38:20.000 I think he was like 196 or something like that when he was the heavyweight champion. 0.98

00:38:25.000 He was fucking up those... 0.94

00:38:27.000 You know what? 0.98

00:38:27.000 I might be wrong. 0.98

00:38:28.000 I think actually Jack Dempsey was even lighter than that.

00:38:31.000 I think Jack Dempsey...

00:38:32.000 Hold on a second.

00:38:32.000 Let me pull it up.

00:38:35.000 I don't even think he was 196. Rocky Marciano, which is really crazy.

00:38:39.000 Marciano was 175. Yeah, what the fuck, man? 1.00

00:38:43.000 There's certain dudes like that that just can hit so fucking hard. 1.00

00:38:48.000 Yeah, but their opponent was not as big as well, you know? 0.97

00:38:51.000 That's true.

00:38:52.000 Now we're like monsters.

00:38:53.000 Like, look at Klitschko, you know?

00:38:55.000 It's crazy, you know?

00:38:56.000 Yeah, it doesn't say his weight.

00:39:03.000 Marciano or Dempsey?

00:39:05.000 Marciano was like 175, 180. Marciano was?

00:39:11.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:39:11.000 I thought he was 185. Marciano, I remember I read he was a 180. I don't think he was...

00:39:18.000 Dempsey was 192. That's crazy.

00:39:21.000 It's like my size.

00:39:22.000 It's my size fighting an heavyweight guy like Brock Lesnar.

00:39:25.000 Holy shoot.

00:39:27.000 But they had those little tiny-ass gloves back then. 0.91

00:39:30.000 True.

00:39:30.000 They had just a little cover over the knuckles.

00:39:33.000 Very little padding at all.

00:39:34.000 It was probably just a little horse hair in there as well.

00:39:38.000 Wild.

00:39:39.000 Wild.

00:39:40.000 Do you pay attention to old videos of old fights?

00:39:45.000 Do you ever watch old boxing matches and see...

00:39:49.000 What guys like Dempsey had to go through?

00:39:51.000 What guys like Jack Johnson had to go through?

00:39:53.000 I watch a lot of stuff.

00:39:54.000 What I've been watching on the internet recently is a lot of karate stuff.

00:40:00.000 I'm really intrigued.

00:40:02.000 Really?

00:40:03.000 Yeah.

00:40:03.000 The point karate guys, I think it's very underrated.

00:40:07.000 Oh, yeah!

00:40:09.000 There's a lot of very good fighters.

00:40:10.000 They come from that.

00:40:12.000 I think it translates to MMA very well.

00:40:15.000 Absolutely.

00:40:16.000 Marciano was 188, apparently.

00:40:19.000 The ability to move in and out really quickly.

00:40:23.000 Have you ever fought in point tournaments before?

00:40:27.000 I did, yeah.

00:40:27.000 It's very frustrating.

00:40:28.000 I'm from Kyokushin Karate.

00:40:29.000 It's not the same system, but I did point karate before, yeah.

00:40:32.000 I've fought only a few point karate tournaments, but I found one really high-level guy who wins a lot of those point tournaments.

00:40:42.000 It was so different from Taekwondo being continuous fighting to this being like, stop!

00:40:47.000 And it was really hard to fight that way if you're not used to it.

00:40:50.000 And I would just imagine a guy who's really good at lunging in and out like that.

00:40:55.000 If you could teach him all the other aspects of MMA, that would be a big advantage.

00:40:58.000 That's what I use for my takedown.

00:40:59.000 The shoot, people say, oh, you're wrestling.

00:41:01.000 It has nothing to do with my wrestling.

00:41:03.000 My wrestling is once I get the leg, I finish the tagdown. 0.99

00:41:05.000 But how do I get in and out?

00:41:07.000 It's because of karate.

00:41:08.000 People are like, no way, karate, no.

00:41:10.000 And I'm like, yes, karate that allowed me to cut the distance and take the people down.

00:41:15.000 I have a very good single to the ball or very good double and very good penetration.

00:41:19.000 It's because of my leg, the way I do.

00:41:21.000 And this timing, I get it from the karate.

00:41:24.000 I wrestling too, but karate primary.

00:41:27.000 Because before I started wrestling, I was a karate guy, pure.

00:41:30.000 And I just acclimated myself very well to wrestling, especially for the mixed martial arts.

00:41:37.000 Wow, that's really interesting.

00:41:38.000 Because I've always said that one of the best things about you is your ability to close the distance.

00:41:43.000 Yeah, it's karate.

00:41:44.000 That makes sense.

00:41:45.000 It totally makes sense.

00:41:46.000 All my footwork pattern and everything is from karate.

00:41:49.000 This is what I get it from.

00:41:51.000 Springing in like that, the ability to cover that distance, that's a huge advantage.

00:41:55.000 Cover the distance and to not get hit is very important.

00:41:59.000 Right.

00:42:00.000 Yeah, and that is one of the cornerstones of those tournaments and that style.

00:42:06.000 Did you have a hard time when you made a transition to Muay Thai and MMA style?

00:42:12.000 Today, even my kicks are...

00:42:14.000 I'm more like a karate guy.

00:42:16.000 I do Muay Thai, but my kick is printed inside of my brain.

00:42:21.000 It's hard to say.

00:42:22.000 You're a Taekwondo guy.

00:42:23.000 You can kick, but you will stay Taekwondo.

00:42:27.000 It's fine too.

00:42:29.000 I believe Taekwondo is the best putting back kick.

00:42:32.000 You have the best putting back kick I've ever seen in my entire life.

00:42:35.000 You're from Taekwondo, you know what I mean?

00:42:37.000 And it's your background.

00:42:39.000 You try to change your technique of your spinning bike kick, it will be the worst thing you could do, you know what I mean?

00:42:44.000 So I try to learn to add stuff to my arsenal, but I don't try to change my thing.

00:42:49.000 Right, right.

00:42:50.000 Yeah, I still incorporate a lot of those techniques, but I do more just regular Muay Thai now than anything else.

00:42:58.000 Because I think all those techniques, like the spinning back kick and wheel kick, for a guy like you that has a strong karate background or a guy who picks things up really quickly, those are good techniques to learn.

00:43:10.000 But for everyday use, it's hard to pull those things off unless you're doing it on a regular basis.

00:43:18.000 They become normal when you're fighting in Taekwondo tournaments, and everybody's doing it, and you're doing it every day. 0.97

00:43:23.000 But in MMA, there's so many other fucking things.

00:43:26.000 To have the type of leg dexterity that you see the top-level Taekwondo guys have, it's so hard to have that along with wrestling, along with boxing, along with jiu-jitsu. 0.55

00:43:38.000 How do you manage all your different skill sets?

00:43:42.000 Do you have 20% of your time goes to this, 30% goes to that.

00:43:48.000 No, no, no.

00:43:50.000 It depends.

00:43:52.000 I'll give you an example right now.

00:43:54.000 Last week I was doing for the movie Captain America, the filming.

00:43:59.000 Then now I'm doing the interview.

00:44:01.000 But every day I find time, I go to Freddie Roach to work on my boxing.

00:44:05.000 And this time I'm on my boxing pretty much.

00:44:10.000 And when I'm gonna go to New York, for example, because I have to go to New York for the book promo and stuff, I'm gonna do my Jiu Jitsu with John Danner.

00:44:17.000 I'm gonna be doing Jiu Jitsu.

00:44:19.000 When I go back in Montreal, I mixed up everything, you know?

00:44:21.000 But when I go to different places, I go, you know, I do my...

00:44:26.000 Like, specific things.

00:44:28.000 And this is in between fights, so you don't have a fight scheduled, so now you're just in the skill development phase, is that what it is?

00:44:35.000 Yeah, and that's where my training is fun, because I train for myself to get better and I try stuff.

00:44:41.000 Like now, you see me, if I go roll with my friend, like at this academy, I roll, I try stuff that I would maybe not have the guts to try in normal time because it's risky.

00:44:51.000 So I try it, oh, I get tapped, and I tap, and I laugh.

00:44:54.000 Who cares if I tap?

00:44:55.000 I don't care.

00:44:56.000 Sometimes I tap him, sometimes I get tapped.

00:44:58.000 But when I train for a training camp, No, I train for performance, so I have to perform.

00:45:04.000 I cannot be beaten in training, otherwise my confidence will be affected, so I try to perform.

00:45:09.000 So that's why my training is not as fun as it is now.

00:45:13.000 Yeah, the ability to loosen up in training is very important when you're in the learning phase, right?

00:45:19.000 Yes, yes.

00:45:20.000 That's how you develop new techniques.

00:45:21.000 And there is an ego issue too, like with guys who are not that good at jiu-jitsu, like you see it a lot, like maybe the strikers, they don't want to roll because they don't like getting tapped. 1.00

00:45:32.000 That's stupid. 0.98

00:45:33.000 It doesn't mean anything you tap. 1.00

00:45:34.000 It doesn't mean you're not as good as the other guy.

00:45:36.000 It doesn't mean you play that game and you just get cut.

00:45:40.000 So what?

00:45:41.000 So what?

00:45:41.000 I got to tap all the time.

00:45:42.000 I don't get a damn. 0.92

00:45:43.000 It's a fascinating aspect of jiu-jitsu, though, that doesn't exist in other martial arts. 0.87

00:45:47.000 If you kickbox and spar a guy, it's not as...

00:45:51.000 Yeah, it's like you don't want to be knocked out, but it would be the same thing in a way.

00:45:56.000 You're a jiu-jitsu guy and you do kickboxing with a guy, but that guy will not knock you out.

00:46:00.000 Let's say he will do a combo that you would know that right hand would have knocked me out.

00:46:06.000 In jiu-jitsu, I would tap, otherwise he would have break my arm.

00:46:10.000 It's a little bit the same thing.

00:46:11.000 We don't hurt each other.

00:46:12.000 In jiu-jitsu, you can allow to go further without hurting each other than in kickboxing, for example, where it's striking.

00:46:19.000 It can be brain damage.

00:46:20.000 Yeah, that's the hardest, is it?

00:46:22.000 Or I should ask you, is that the hardest place to find guys that you're comfortable with training with, is in striking?

00:46:28.000 So you know that they're not trying to knock you out?

00:46:30.000 You know, like, every day in the gym isn't a war?

00:46:33.000 It's different.

00:46:34.000 I'm gonna tell you, I have many times people try to hurt me, and I try to hurt them, you know?

00:46:39.000 Like, I have no choice, you know?

00:46:43.000 Now it's different because of the notoriety I have.

00:46:46.000 I can find a place where I can go.

00:46:48.000 I mean, training, it's training.

00:46:50.000 We still go hard.

00:46:51.000 There is a smart way to train, of course.

00:46:54.000 I don't try to hurt myself when I train and try to hurt people.

00:46:58.000 But of course, let's say I'm training for a fight.

00:47:01.000 Before a fight, we spar hard.

00:47:02.000 If you see you hurt the guy, you let him breathe.

00:47:05.000 You don't go for the finish.

00:47:07.000 But the thing is, for example, kick to the head, we control the kick to the head, things like that.

00:47:11.000 We don't do knees to the head, the elbows, stuff like that. 0.54

00:47:14.000 We don't do that.

00:47:16.000 And this is important to have a good training partner like that.

00:47:19.000 Because sometimes you train with someone who's crazy.

00:47:22.000 You're getting ready for a fight.

00:47:23.000 It's a lot of money on the table.

00:47:24.000 He's going to cut you.

00:47:27.000 Things like that you don't need to make a name for himself.

00:47:30.000 So now when people ask me, hey, why are you going to go train in my gym?

00:47:34.000 It's because sometimes because I go train in the gym, they know who I am.

00:47:38.000 I'm George St. Pierre.

00:47:39.000 And they go, oh, I'm going to try to hurt him to make a name for myself. 0.99

00:47:41.000 And that sucks. 0.99

00:47:43.000 I don't like it. 0.93

00:47:44.000 So I'm very careful with why I train now.

00:47:46.000 That's a bad side of it because a lot of people try to take advantage and make their name, you know?

00:47:51.000 And I don't like it, you know?

00:47:54.000 I like to train with different training partners, new guys, but now I have to be careful to do it.

00:47:58.000 I cannot do it, you know?

00:47:59.000 I have to know where I'm going.

00:48:02.000 The guy tells me, oh, this guy, you can go with him.

00:48:04.000 He's good, you know?

00:48:05.000 I don't care to get tapped out or be dominated.

00:48:08.000 That's not what I care.

00:48:08.000 I care of being hurt or injured or not being able to work.

00:48:14.000 It's a lot of money. 0.96

00:48:15.000 When I have a fight I have to cancel, it sucks.

00:48:17.000 Yeah, there's always accidental injuries, but there's the injuries where you know a guy's trying to hurt you because he's trying to...

00:48:22.000 That's got to be really annoying.

00:48:24.000 There is guys that...

00:48:26.000 How do you say they...

00:48:28.000 They always hurt people.

00:48:30.000 Oh no, I didn't mean it!

00:48:31.000 But why did it always happen to you, man?

00:48:33.000 Why did it always happen to you?

00:48:34.000 I've got in the gym in Montreal.

00:48:36.000 When I bring my training partner here, let's say I bring guys to train from my last training camp.

00:48:45.000 For my training camp to mimic Nick Diaz, I told these guys, I said, listen, there is this guy, this guy, you're not going to train with him.

00:48:52.000 Because he's like, and they're all like, why, why, why?

00:48:55.000 It's like, because every time someone trains with you, it happens to an injury.

00:48:59.000 It's like, yeah, but I don't mean it.

00:49:00.000 I thought, you don't mean it.

00:49:01.000 But it's still happening, man.

00:49:02.000 It's like, that's how you are, man.

00:49:05.000 I've seen guys kicked out of gyms for that.

00:49:07.000 Of course, of course.

00:49:08.000 But some guys, it's intentional.

00:49:10.000 Some guys, it's not intentional.

00:49:11.000 But even if it's not intentional, you don't want to take that chance to do it.

00:49:15.000 You know what I mean?

00:49:15.000 I don't hurt people when I train.

00:49:17.000 Find me a guy that I hurt in training.

00:49:19.000 It could have happened accidentally once in a while.

00:49:21.000 Very rare.

00:49:21.000 It's very rare I hurt people.

00:49:23.000 Very, very rare.

00:49:24.000 I could if I wanted to.

00:49:25.000 I could.

00:49:26.000 But I don't hurt.

00:49:27.000 I don't hurt the people.

00:49:30.000 Yeah, you're there to train.

00:49:31.000 You're there to get better.

00:49:31.000 Yes, of course, of course.

00:49:33.000 Yeah, there's a couple guys that I know that people just won't train with.

00:49:37.000 They just walk away from them.

00:49:40.000 Yeah, you're going to get hurt.

00:49:40.000 No thanks.

00:49:41.000 Because you know the minute you're going to train with them, it's going to be a fight.

00:49:44.000 It's going to be like a real fight.

00:49:46.000 And I'm paid to fight and I don't want to hurt myself in real life.

00:49:51.000 And I don't want to have to hurt.

00:49:53.000 I don't want to put myself in this situation.

00:49:55.000 You put together a great camp now, though, man.

00:49:57.000 You go into so many different great guys.

00:49:59.000 John Donaher, who's one of the most underrated or underappreciated jiu-jitsu coaches in MMA, in the world, really.

00:50:08.000 If you look at all the different guys that get famous for coaching jiu-jitsu.

00:50:13.000 Talked to a lot of people about John Donaher, and they all said the same thing. 1.00

00:50:16.000 Like, that guy's a bad motherfucker. 1.00

00:50:18.000 Super smart. 1.00

00:50:19.000 Brilliant in the corner.

00:50:21.000 I love the advice he gives.

00:50:23.000 He's always on point, direct, accurate.

00:50:27.000 He's probably the most...

00:50:28.000 I would say...

00:50:31.000 Brilliant, educated man I ever met in my life.

00:50:35.000 Yeah, he's brilliant.

00:50:36.000 A lot of people don't know.

00:50:38.000 I believe he's a philosophy major.

00:50:41.000 Yeah, he's a Ph.D. in philosophy.

00:50:46.000 He used to teach philosophy in Columbia University.

00:50:48.000 And he was a bouncer.

00:50:50.000 Before he dropped everything and dedicated his life to Jiu-Jitsu.

00:50:54.000 And he was bouncing at night in a hip-hop club.

00:50:57.000 Oh my god.

00:50:58.000 In a hip-hop club, can you believe it?

00:51:00.000 And apparently he was big on weightlifting back then.

00:51:03.000 Yeah, he was a bodybuilder.

00:51:05.000 And then he starts doing jiu-jitsu and fell in love with it.

00:51:08.000 That's amazing.

00:51:09.000 Yeah, so you go to him for your jiu-jitsu and Henzo as well, right?

00:51:13.000 You go to Henzo's?

00:51:14.000 Yes, I go to Henzo's.

00:51:15.000 You travel to a lot of gyms.

00:51:17.000 Yeah, but I travel.

00:51:18.000 It's a good thing because I have places that no matter...

00:51:20.000 I come to LA often for business stuff.

00:51:22.000 But when I come to LA, I have the place where I can train in LA. I'm very happy.

00:51:26.000 I have places where I can train in New York.

00:51:27.000 I go to New York a lot.

00:51:29.000 And Montreal, of course.

00:51:31.000 France, Paris, France.

00:51:33.000 It's important.

00:51:35.000 Everywhere I go, I have a second home where I can go train.

00:51:40.000 That was hilarious when you brought that French dude with you on the Ultimate Fighter and he showed up hammered. 1.00

00:51:45.000 What is his name again?

00:51:46.000 Jean-Charles Skarboski.

00:51:48.000 He's a very, very good Muay Thai guy.

00:51:50.000 He's a very famous Muay Thai kickboxer. 0.99

00:51:53.000 He would be partying all night and show up to the gym with one of them club cups, plastic cups, and there was fucking alcohol in it. 1.00

00:52:01.000 He's out of his mind. 0.98

00:52:03.000 He shows up, he was drunk and high from the party.

00:52:06.000 He hasn't sleep for more than...

00:52:08.000 Like 36 hours, you know, flight to Paris.

00:52:12.000 Then I thought, I made the training when he arrived.

00:52:15.000 I made on purpose.

00:52:16.000 I made, I organized the training for him to come teach the afternoon class, the late afternoon, not the morning class because I said, I was thinking, oh, he's going to sleep.

00:52:24.000 No, he arrived from Paris the night before, went out all night, went in an after party, went in an after, after party and arrived straight to training. 0.99

00:52:32.000 Didn't even go to his hotel room and train and kick everyone's ass in Muay Thai. 0.99

00:52:38.000 Everybody was like, what the hell is this? 0.99

00:52:41.000 And even when he left, because he stayed for like a week, when he left, the producer of the Ultimate Fighter came to see me.

00:52:48.000 George, George, George, we need to get this guy.

00:52:50.000 We need to keep this guy here.

00:52:51.000 It was good TV, you know?

00:52:53.000 I was like, no, no, he's leaving.

00:52:56.000 He has to go back.

00:52:57.000 It was making me look bad sometimes, you know?

00:53:03.000 And he's not an imposing looking guy, which is amazing.

00:53:06.000 When you look at him, he's not like a scary looking...

00:53:09.000 But he doesn't know anything about MMA. He has no idea who was Chuck Liddell, who was Anderson.

00:53:14.000 He had no idea.

00:53:15.000 He came in the room and he saw all those pictures and was like, who's these guys are?

00:53:17.000 He knows all those famous Muay Thai guys, but MMA doesn't know anything about it.

00:53:22.000 Yeah, he fights ties.

00:53:24.000 He fights in Lampini Stadium.

00:53:26.000 Yeah, he fought Buakao, the guy.

00:53:28.000 He cut Buakao with a spinning elbow in the head.

00:53:31.000 He lost that fight, but he took that fight on a short notice, like a few days' notice, and he was underweight.

00:53:37.000 He had to gain weight for the weight class.

00:53:42.000 He doesn't care.

00:53:43.000 He has courage like crazy.

00:53:45.000 Wow.

00:53:46.000 It's weird because you look at the guy, you'd never think that guy's a fighter.

00:53:49.000 It's amazing.

00:53:51.000 Character.

00:53:52.000 We're surrounded by a lot of character.

00:53:54.000 Kickboxing is much more famous in Europe than it is in America, isn't it?

00:53:59.000 True.

00:53:59.000 I believe the level is higher in Europe.

00:54:02.000 Yeah.

00:54:03.000 Apparently, the glory, though, they're going to start to bring glory to someone...

00:54:07.000 I think they're going to bring it to...

00:54:09.000 Frank Shamrock said they're going to bring it to CBS Sports.

00:54:12.000 I don't know what channel that is.

00:54:15.000 I think CBS has a bunch of different channels that they own. 0.87

00:54:19.000 But if they start airing those, like, high-level, you know, like Gokhan Saki and Daniel Gita and all these, like, high-level heavyweight guys, that's some wild shit to watch. 0.95

00:54:29.000 It's true. 0.97

00:54:30.000 It's true.

00:54:31.000 It's got to be interesting, you know, to bring that here.

00:54:34.000 Yeah, it's so funny how, like, the difference in just, like, a pure, straight-up kickboxing match, you know, when guys have no worries about being taken down, you know, and when people say, oh, like, the level of kickboxing in MMA is not as high as the level of kickboxing.

00:54:50.000 It's a different distance.

00:54:51.000 Yeah, everything's different, right?

00:54:53.000 It's different.

00:54:53.000 You cannot compare.

00:54:54.000 Different stance?

00:54:55.000 Look, Alistair Varin got knocked out by the, what is his name?

00:54:58.000 Antonio Bigfoot Silva.

00:54:59.000 Yeah, Silva.

00:55:00.000 But he's a K1 champion.

00:55:02.000 You know, it...

00:55:03.000 It's because it's not the same thing.

00:55:05.000 It's not the same thing.

00:55:06.000 I mean, it's easy to adapt when you're a higher level K1 guy to adapt to MMA timing, but the timing is different.

00:55:13.000 I think Alistair had some issues going into that fight.

00:55:16.000 It could be too.

00:55:17.000 I don't know the inside of it, but I'm just thinking.

00:55:19.000 He's got a testosterone issue.

00:55:21.000 He's got low testosterone.

00:55:23.000 He tested high for testosterone, like he had taken something, and now he has low testosterone.

00:55:29.000 Okay, but I mean, it's just an example.

00:55:32.000 I don't know the behind clothes or what happened. 0.90

00:55:35.000 He just didn't look like he had a lot of energy, and Bigfoot Silva waited until he got tired and just beat the shit out of him. 0.96

00:55:41.000 That was a brutal knockout, too. 0.85

00:55:44.000 Yeah, I remember I was surprised to see that.

00:55:46.000 I was like, oh my god, I was not expecting this.

00:55:48.000 Bigfoot Silva looked awesome.

00:55:50.000 That was an amazing combination, man.

00:55:51.000 I mean, you know, whether...

00:55:54.000 Alistair was hurt or not, the combination he leveled him with was devastating.

00:55:59.000 It was a lot like, remember Phil Barone and Dave Manet?

00:56:04.000 Remember that knockout?

00:56:05.000 Where Phil Barone had Dave Manet pinned up against the cage?

00:56:08.000 That was violent, yes.

00:56:10.000 Bang, bang, bang. 0.89

00:56:12.000 Oh, he hit him like four times before Mané can even drop.

00:56:15.000 That was bad, yeah. 0.99

00:56:16.000 And Barone could fucking hit. 0.99

00:56:18.000 And he's teeing off on him and literally he's keeping him standing with his punches. 0.99

00:56:23.000 This Bigfoot one wasn't quite as devastating as that, but it was number two.

00:56:27.000 Yeah, Mané was like bouncing on the felt like bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.

00:56:32.000 It was like the greatest punching highlight reel knockout ever, that Barone-Mané fight.

00:56:36.000 It's true.

00:56:37.000 It was bad.

00:56:38.000 It was bad.

00:56:38.000 Some of those knockouts you watch are like When you first lost your title to Matt Serra, that was the first time...

00:56:48.000 Matt Serra, yeah, it's true.

00:56:51.000 When you lost your title to Matt Serra and Matt Serra stopped you, that had to be the most devastating loss of your career, right?

00:57:02.000 It was, but I learned something valuable that allowed me to survive to Carlos Condit.

00:57:07.000 What was that?

00:57:08.000 When I got hit by Matzera, the first punch, it made me very dizzy.

00:57:15.000 And I was so proud.

00:57:17.000 Like pride, it's a good thing, but it could be a bad thing.

00:57:20.000 I was so proud.

00:57:21.000 I'm a very proud person.

00:57:22.000 So I got wibble, you say in English, right?

00:57:26.000 Wobble.

00:57:26.000 I got wobbled.

00:57:28.000 And instead of back off and say, oh, I'm going to go back to my sense.

00:57:32.000 Why did I go back to my equilibrium before reattacking?

00:57:35.000 I got wobbled and I got so angry.

00:57:37.000 I was like, I can't believe this guy.

00:57:39.000 Because back in the day, it was like 5 to 1, 10 to 1 the odds.

00:57:43.000 I was like, I can't believe I got...

00:57:45.000 Wobble by a guy like this.

00:57:47.000 Back in the day, I was angry that I got wobbled.

00:57:50.000 I was a proud guy.

00:57:51.000 First time it ever happened in my life.

00:57:53.000 So I wanted to give it back to him as fast as I can.

00:57:57.000 But Masore hit very hard.

00:57:58.000 So I didn't have any equilibrium.

00:58:01.000 I got wobbled with one shot.

00:58:02.000 Then I tried to jump back into a war with him, into a slugfest with him while I was wobbled.

00:58:09.000 And he wasn't.

00:58:10.000 So I got punched.

00:58:11.000 Like, boom!

00:58:12.000 Boom! 0.99

00:58:13.000 Then he started to tee off on me and then I fall down and I tap.

00:58:16.000 I knew I was completely out.

00:58:19.000 If I would have kept going, I would be like, you know, I had to stop.

00:58:23.000 Thanks God, the referee stopped.

00:58:24.000 But what happened with Carlos Condit?

00:58:26.000 The same situation.

00:58:28.000 I got kicked in the head.

00:58:30.000 Then...

00:58:31.000 Then instead of telling, oh, I need to give it back to him, I fall on the ground.

00:58:35.000 I say, you know what?

00:58:36.000 Yes, I got caught.

00:58:37.000 Then relax now.

00:58:39.000 It's time to defense.

00:58:40.000 Catch up your breath.

00:58:41.000 Catch up your senses.

00:58:43.000 Bing, bang, bang. 0.90

00:58:44.000 I focus on my defense, my shield, close everything, every opportunity he has to hurt me.

00:58:49.000 And then I came back after.

00:58:51.000 So I step into my ego a little bit, try to accept the fact that I got hit.

00:58:57.000 Relaxed and then I came back later.

00:58:58.000 That's the experience that I gained from that loss with Matzera that allowed me to survive Carlos Condit.

00:59:05.000 Interesting.

00:59:07.000 Because Carlos Condit dropped me with that kick.

00:59:10.000 Matzera, the first time he cut me, I wobbled but I didn't drop. 1.00

00:59:14.000 I was on my feet.

00:59:15.000 But I tried to get back right into a slugfest with him.

00:59:18.000 Instead of backing up, I tried to use my footwork.

00:59:21.000 Get back to my senses and that's what happened.

00:59:24.000 I got caught.

00:59:24.000 Sometimes you learn during a loss and that's what happened to me.

00:59:28.000 Matt Serra, by beating me, he helped me become a better martial artist.

00:59:32.000 What had you in more trouble?

00:59:36.000 The punch by Matt Serra or the kick by Condit?

00:59:38.000 The kick, I believe, with Condit was harder.

00:59:42.000 It was a bigger kick.

00:59:44.000 The first punch, if you look, the punches of Serra finished me because it was many punches.

00:59:50.000 I took many punches before I fell, and when I fell, I was too late.

00:59:54.000 I was completely dizzy, you know?

00:59:57.000 But I should have, when I got punched and wobbled, because Matt Serra hit very hard, and I never seen that punch coming, I should have stepped back or hold him or go for it, you know, instead of trying to slugfest with him.

01:00:09.000 And Condit, when I got dropped, I said to myself, I said, okay, like, don't go back into, because I couldn't go back, try to go a single, go back up right away.

01:00:18.000 I said, okay, use the guard, up, up, up, close, close everything.

01:00:21.000 And, and, you know, because I was dizzy a little bit too, you know, I didn't see the kick coming at all.

01:00:26.000 I follow his body and his kick come on the side and on the temple.

01:00:30.000 He, he, he, he damaged my, uh, temple artery, uh, By the way, it was a hard kick, man.

01:00:36.000 Yeah, it looked like a hard kick.

01:00:37.000 I had to go to Asperol after and get it fixed, you know?

01:00:39.000 You have to go in 10 minutes?

01:00:41.000 Is that what's going on here? 0.99

01:00:42.000 Is that why you guys were having a fucking conversation? 0.99

01:00:44.000 What is it? 0.99

01:00:45.000 What's going on?

01:00:47.000 You know of another interview?

01:00:48.000 Man, what kind of other interview you got? 1.00

01:00:50.000 Some boring ass bullshit is what you got. 1.00

01:00:52.000 What do you got to do? 1.00

01:00:53.000 It's another PR stuff for the book, I guess.

01:00:55.000 Ah, the book.

01:00:57.000 PR stuff.

01:00:58.000 So, everybody wants to know.

01:01:00.000 And I need to go train, too, Joe.

01:01:01.000 Yeah, where are you going to train tonight?

01:01:03.000 Don't tell anybody, man.

01:01:04.000 They're going to go watch you.

01:01:05.000 They have the security.

01:01:06.000 Curves.

01:01:08.000 Do you...

01:01:09.000 Like, now that you just beat Diaz, there's a lot of people that are coming up in the 170-pound division.

01:01:15.000 Of course, Johnny Hendricks is the big name, and Jake Ellenberger, and all these different guys.

01:01:20.000 Do you...

01:01:22.000 At one point in time, there's been a lot of talk, at one point in time, of you guys getting together and you and Anderson Silva meeting maybe at a catchweight or something like that and fighting in a super fight.

01:01:36.000 Yeah, is that question everybody asks me?

01:01:37.000 They ask me that even before I came back from my injury, you know?

01:01:41.000 Right.

01:01:42.000 I need to do stuff in my division because it has moved now.

01:01:47.000 I know Silva is fighting Chris Weinman, but I understand Silva is very big.

01:01:54.000 He's 230 pounds.

01:01:55.000 He's a very big guy walking around, very big.

01:01:58.000 And I'm 190 pounds.

01:01:59.000 Right.

01:02:00.000 And it's a lot of weight different.

01:02:02.000 So, you know, if this fight happens one day, we're going to have to decide what weight class and, you know, everything.

01:02:09.000 But this is, you know, I'm trying to see, figure out what's going to happen, what weight class and everything.

01:02:15.000 He says he can make 170. If he won't make 170, I weight 170 and he comes 170. It's fine.

01:02:20.000 Do you think that's possible?

01:02:21.000 He was fighting back in the day in Japan at 168. That was a long time ago.

01:02:27.000 Yeah, but he was over 25 years old.

01:02:29.000 Wow.

01:02:30.000 So you think if he just did it slowly over a long time?

01:02:35.000 Yeah.

01:02:35.000 What's the biggest cut you've ever seen?

01:02:38.000 The biggest weight cut?

01:02:39.000 I did or?

01:02:40.000 Anybody?

01:02:41.000 That you've ever seen anybody do?

01:02:42.000 I don't do a lot of cuts.

01:02:44.000 It would be easier for me to go fight at 155 than fighting at 185. I would be more at my weight naturally.

01:02:51.000 There's guys at 155, they walk around 190 like me.

01:02:54.000 Yes, I've seen them.

01:02:55.000 Because they think I'm big because I have a large frame.

01:02:58.000 But I'm not a big guy.

01:03:01.000 I'm not thick.

01:03:07.000 We'll see this fight.

01:03:08.000 Now he's fighting women.

01:03:10.000 Hendrix is freaking out.

01:03:11.000 He wants to fight me.

01:03:12.000 We'll see what's going to happen in the future.

01:03:15.000 What do you think is next?

01:03:15.000 Is it going to be the Hendrix fight?

01:03:17.000 Probably Hendrix.

01:03:21.000 That's a big fight.

01:03:22.000 Yeah, but the thing is, he's always going to be a guy that people say, oh, this guy is going to beat you after Hendrix.

01:03:30.000 We'll see what's going to happen.

01:03:32.000 Yeah, no, it's a good fight.

01:03:33.000 It's a fight that a lot of people want to see and you have a very talent stacked division.

01:03:38.000 You know, you at the top and look at how many great contenders there are at 170. It's a very tough division.

01:03:46.000 What's it like walking around with that kind of stress?

01:03:48.000 You've got a whole line of trained killers that want to get to the champ.

01:03:52.000 Is that a difficult thing to manage?

01:03:55.000 I'm not stressed.

01:03:55.000 I try to take one fight at a time.

01:03:58.000 And focus on one guy at a time.

01:04:00.000 I have no choice.

01:04:01.000 I cannot split myself in half.

01:04:03.000 And for me, the last two fights were close to each other.

01:04:07.000 And my second fight, the training camp, it was brutal in a way that I didn't have Mental break.

01:04:13.000 Now I need to take a little break mentally to come back stronger.

01:04:16.000 Because I will get tired of what I do.

01:04:20.000 I will not be as good as I could be, you know?

01:04:24.000 But you still train?

01:04:25.000 All the time.

01:04:26.000 But I train for fun.

01:04:27.000 I don't train for performance, which is different.

01:04:29.000 Like I explained earlier, I train for myself.

01:04:31.000 I'm having a good time.

01:04:32.000 It's fun.

01:04:33.000 Now, while you're doing this, do you keep up with Jiu-Jitsu at all?

01:04:35.000 Yes.

01:04:35.000 Or do you just do your boxing?

01:04:37.000 No, no, no.

01:04:37.000 I do Jiu-Jitsu too.

01:04:38.000 You do everything?

01:04:39.000 Yes, very important.

01:04:40.000 How many hours a day do you train?

01:04:42.000 I depend.

01:04:42.000 Like now I'm going to have only maybe one hour and a half.

01:04:45.000 I'm going to train at Freddy and that's it.

01:04:48.000 You know, it depends on my schedule.

01:04:49.000 Normally I train twice a week, twice a day.

01:04:54.000 Two, three, three hour maybe total.

01:04:57.000 Like two training of an hour and a half.

01:04:59.000 The training itself is maybe 40, 45 minutes, 30 minutes.

01:05:02.000 The training itself.

01:05:04.000 The talking, the this, the that, the changing, the shouting.

01:05:07.000 You know, an hour and a half.

01:05:09.000 Are you still doing gymnastics?

01:05:11.000 Yes, I do.

01:05:12.000 How often do you do that?

01:05:13.000 Once, twice a week now.

01:05:15.000 And you think that's like really responsible for a lot of like...

01:05:18.000 I like gymnastics and track and field.

01:05:21.000 I do track and field.

01:05:22.000 I run track too.

01:05:23.000 Like sprints and jumps and things along those lines?

01:05:26.000 60, 100 and 400. And you feel like that's the best kind of exercise for MMA? Yeah, if I would have started all over again, because back in the day, I used to train like an idiot.

01:05:37.000 I was doing bodybuilder and watching movies like Rocky and all this, and Jean-Claude Van Damme, Arnold.

01:05:45.000 I thought that was the thing.

01:05:46.000 Back in the 90s, for my generation, that was the thing.

01:05:51.000 Back in the day where I'm from, Canada...

01:05:53.000 A mix of martial art and bodybuilding was the best mix you could be.

01:05:57.000 You were, like you say, a badass.

01:06:00.000 Then, after we discovered that bodybuilder is not suited for mixed martial arts, it's better to do like, I was doing more like strength conditioning kind of stuff.

01:06:11.000 Then I found out after the strength conditioning, it was better, and Olympic lifting, I think it's better than gymnastics.

01:06:16.000 Do you think it's better for your joints as well?

01:06:19.000 Yes, track and field and gymnastics.

01:06:20.000 If I would have to go back in time, I would have to tell myself, George, stop all that bodybuilding stuff that you're doing.

01:06:29.000 It's better to do gymnastics and track and field.

01:06:33.000 Is that because you're already a fairly physically strong guy and you're pretty strong from wrestling as well?

01:06:40.000 I'm very strong.

01:06:42.000 When I wrestle, when I grab someone, like in that strength.

01:06:47.000 But if I lift weight, I'm not very strong.

01:06:49.000 I bench like what?

01:06:50.000 Two plates and a half maximum.

01:06:52.000 I'm not very strong bench press.

01:06:54.000 People are like, my God, you're not very strong.

01:06:56.000 I'm not strong at lifting weight.

01:06:59.000 When I was a kid, I remember I was in school, in secondary school.

01:07:05.000 And everybody, the thing was to have a big chest.

01:07:08.000 Every guy wanted to have a big chest.

01:07:10.000 So I remember for years I used to do bench press, flies, dumbbells.

01:07:16.000 And man, I never had a chest in my life.

01:07:20.000 I never had it.

01:07:21.000 I tried so hard to train for it.

01:07:23.000 I never had volume here.

01:07:26.000 And, you know, it's genetic, man.

01:07:29.000 That's the way it is.

01:07:30.000 So I said, you know what?

01:07:32.000 You know, I'm not going to do it, man.

01:07:33.000 I'm going to do it for Jim.

01:07:35.000 Like, you know, I give up on it.

01:07:37.000 I have big legs, big butt, big calves.

01:07:42.000 You know what I mean? 0.51

01:07:46.000 I don't have chest, man.

01:07:48.000 I try to work, but it's one of these things that I give up on it, man.

01:07:53.000 I give up.

01:07:53.000 Well, you could always do what Tommy Morrison did, get breast implants.

01:07:58.000 Did you see that?

01:07:59.000 There's a lot of ways that I can use to have chest.

01:08:03.000 Have you seen that, the Tommy Morrison breast implants?

01:08:05.000 No, I don't.

01:08:05.000 Remember Tommy Morrison, the boxer?

01:08:08.000 The guy that had the AIDS? He had the AIDS? Is that him?

01:08:13.000 Yes. 0.70

01:08:13.000 He has a disease, right? 0.70

01:08:15.000 Yes, yes.

01:08:16.000 Okay, I heard that.

01:08:17.000 He also got breast implants.

01:08:19.000 Oh, really?

01:08:19.000 Yeah, pull that up, Brian.

01:08:21.000 Pull that up.

01:08:21.000 Tommy Morrison breast implants.

01:08:23.000 Why am I doing this?

01:08:25.000 Okay, here's why, folks.

01:08:26.000 Because if there's a guy out there that's thinking about getting breast implants, and I can talk him out of it, I gotta do my job.

01:08:32.000 You gotta see this. 1.00

01:08:33.000 Take a look at this fucking picture. 1.00

01:08:35.000 This is Tommy Morrison. 1.00

01:08:36.000 He has...

01:08:37.000 Pull it up?

01:08:38.000 Yeah.

01:08:39.000 Gotta hit the switch.

01:08:41.000 Is this it?

01:08:42.000 Yes.

01:08:42.000 Look at that.

01:08:43.000 Oh, man.

01:08:44.000 That's not good, man.

01:08:50.000 Yeah.

01:08:51.000 Oh man, that's not that good, man.

01:08:53.000 That's hilarious. 0.99

01:08:56.000 Wow, that sucks. 0.99

01:08:57.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:08:58.000 Don't do that.

01:08:59.000 That's what I'm saying, folks.

01:09:00.000 Anybody, to anybody, please listen to me.

01:09:03.000 Is there an unauthorized biography of you as well?

01:09:06.000 Yes, there is. 0.99

01:09:07.000 Who the fuck wrote that? 0.99

01:09:08.000 I don't know. 1.00

01:09:09.000 It's sad.

01:09:10.000 You know, my parents are very nice people, you know?

01:09:13.000 They talk.

01:09:13.000 They're from countryside.

01:09:14.000 They're always very respectful to everybody.

01:09:17.000 And this guy, apparently, he called up my mom and my dad.

01:09:19.000 My dad is an old ice guy.

01:09:21.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:09:22.000 He answered all the questions.

01:09:23.000 And I told my parents, I was like, stop answering questions that people call like this, man.

01:09:27.000 Because, you know, they're a little bit naïve.

01:09:30.000 They don't know this thing. 1.00

01:09:31.000 So I said, stop talking to people you don't know about, like, So some asshole just wrote a book based on that? 1.00

01:09:37.000 Yes, he did. 0.99

01:09:38.000 But it's a bad book.

01:09:40.000 He only talks about my fights.

01:09:43.000 He basically describes my fights.

01:09:45.000 He doesn't say anything personal.

01:09:46.000 He doesn't know me.

01:09:47.000 He doesn't know me.

01:09:49.000 So that's not a real unauthorized biography?

01:09:51.000 No, no, no.

01:09:52.000 The real one is The Way of the Fight.

01:09:53.000 It's available on Amazon.

01:09:55.000 You can go buy it right now.

01:09:56.000 It's available in bookstores.

01:09:58.000 Kindle.

01:09:59.000 Yeah, you can get it on a Kindle.

01:10:00.000 You can get it on audible.com.

01:10:02.000 Can you get it on audible?

01:10:03.000 Are you talking it?

01:10:05.000 No, no, it's me.

01:10:06.000 I started doing it when I had my ACL surgery.

01:10:13.000 And that's why I started writing down stuff.

01:10:15.000 But I didn't write all words myself.

01:10:17.000 It's in English.

01:10:18.000 I don't write.

01:10:19.000 But it's made with someone.

01:10:21.000 So you don't write it in English at all?

01:10:23.000 You just speak it?

01:10:24.000 Yeah, I write English, but I would not write a book in English because it has been made in English first, then in French. 0.98

01:10:31.000 So his name is Justin Kinsley, who's a friend of mine who wrote it, who wrote the book for me.

01:10:37.000 But he took stuff that I say in my notes, stuff that I write myself in French.

01:10:42.000 He speaks both languages, bilingual, so he switched it to the book.

01:10:46.000 Oh, so you switched it to England.

01:10:48.000 Yeah, it's not a biography.

01:10:50.000 It's not about an MMA. It's not a book for MMA. It's a book for more general public.

01:10:54.000 What's it all about?

01:10:55.000 It's about the tactic that I use to start where I come from and to be world champion.

01:11:04.000 I find myself goals and drills, the repetition, and I keep doing it every day.

01:11:10.000 So that's what the book is about?

01:11:11.000 Yeah, it's more philosophical stuff.

01:11:13.000 It's more a philosophical book.

01:11:15.000 It has nothing to do with MMA. You talk about MMA, but it's people that like it normally.

01:11:20.000 Because it has not been written by an MMA guy.

01:11:23.000 The guy who's written, he doesn't know nothing about MMA. Even the MMA people, sometimes they might read it and say, the terms are, because sometimes a little mistake we correct in the future that it would be misunderstood, but it's a book about philosophy and the mindset of someone where I come from and how I became successful,

01:11:44.000 from my experience. 1.00

01:11:45.000 Well, George, you're a bad motherfucker. 1.00

01:11:48.000 You're a cool guy. 1.00

01:11:48.000 It's always great to talk to you. 1.00

01:11:50.000 Thank you, George.

01:11:51.000 I'm glad to be your friend.

01:11:53.000 And it was one of the coolest things in my life is being able to teach you to throw a turning sidekick.

01:11:59.000 The fact that you would even listen to me when I tell you that I had a good one.

01:12:03.000 I'm gonna do it in a fight, Wanda, I promise you.

01:12:05.000 I promise.

01:12:06.000 I'm not comfortable enough that we're gonna do soon.

01:12:09.000 Well, let's tighten it up, man.

01:12:10.000 Let me give you some drills.

01:12:11.000 Let's do it again.

01:12:11.000 I got some drills for it that can definitely help you out, help you increase accuracy.

01:12:16.000 We'll do it tomorrow.

01:12:17.000 We'll train tomorrow.

01:12:18.000 For sure, man.

01:12:19.000 Love you, buddy.

01:12:19.000 Thank you, man.

01:12:20.000 Thank you very much, my friend, and best of luck to you in the future.

01:12:22.000 All right, ladies and gentlemen, that's the end of this abbreviated episode of the Joe Rogan Experience podcast.

01:12:28.000 Thanks to Hover.

01:12:29.000 Go to hover.com forward slash rogan.

01:12:32.000 Get 10% off your domain name registrations.

01:12:35.000 Thanks to stamps.com.

01:12:37.000 Enter in the code word JRE in the microphone in the upper right-hand corner and save yourself some shekels, son.

01:12:45.000 For any information on Brian's upcoming comedy shows, go to DeathSquad.tv, including podcasts that you can get only on iTunes under the Death Squad label.

01:12:58.000 Like Ryan Keely's Muff Said and Kevin Pereira's Pointless.

01:13:04.000 It's also the Death Squad Ice House Chronicles, which we do on a regular basis.

01:13:10.000 And we probably will do it tomorrow night.

01:13:12.000 You want to do one tomorrow night?

01:13:12.000 Sure.

01:13:13.000 We're going to do one tomorrow night, you dirty bitches. 1.00

01:13:14.000 Tomorrow night we'll see you guys at the world-famous Ice House Comedy Club in Pasadena with Tommy Segura, Tony Hinchcliffe, Burt Kreischer, Brian Redman, and meself. 0.98

01:13:24.000 And until then, we love you. 1.00

01:13:27.000 Go fuck yourself. 1.00

The Joe Rogan Experience - April 23, 2013

Joe Rogan Experience #351 - Georges St. Pierre

Episode Stats

Summary

Transcript