The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #411 - Dave Asprey

00:00:00.000 This episode of the Joe Rogan Experience is brought to you by Lumosity.

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00:00:17.000 What Lumosity is, is a bunch of cool games that are designed to enhance your focus, enhance your memory, and you can custom tutor them for yourself.

00:00:27.000 Tutor?

00:00:27.000 Custom tutor?

00:00:28.000 Custom tabulate?

00:00:29.000 What's the word I'm looking for?

00:00:30.000 Wow.

00:00:31.000 I've been sick all week, ladies and gentlemen.

00:00:33.000 I got the flu when I gave out all that blood.

00:00:35.000 I'll talk to Dave Asprey about it.

00:00:37.000 I gave out about a quart of blood.

00:00:38.000 Nice.

00:00:40.000 Oh, so you maybe got your immune system up or something?

00:00:42.000 Oh, it definitely did.

00:00:43.000 I was sick, and I gave out all that blood, and then boom, it hit me.

00:00:46.000 Anyway, what Lumosity is, is a website that's designed around the concept of neuroplasticity and all the different objectives that you want to achieve.

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00:01:02.000 That was the word I'm looking for. 0.99

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00:01:35.000 I've never even thought about that as far as like thinking, but it's actually pretty important if you really stop and think about it.

00:01:40.000 Like flexibility is kind of important.

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00:01:49.000 And that's something that you can work on using Lumosity software.

00:01:55.000 Communicating clearly, thinking outside the box, avoiding errors.

00:01:58.000 It's a fascinating idea because I know for sure that there are certain things, whether it's podcasting or stand-up comedy or commentating on fights.

00:02:08.000 I really honestly believe that when I take time off of those things and I'm not doing them for a while, it's almost like it gets lax.

00:02:14.000 Like my ability to perform those tasks, it just atrophies, just like your muscles do when you don't go to a gym.

00:02:22.000 So go to lumosity.com forward slash Joe and check out what their website is.

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00:02:29.000 It's really fascinating.

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00:02:31.000 They're all games that you could play as opposed to just like sitting around just doing math problems.

00:02:37.000 This is actually, it makes it very interesting.

00:02:40.000 I've been playing the games at lumosity.com for a few weeks, and they're fun and they're quick, and I see some sort of a difference in my ability.

00:02:48.000 I'm definitely seeing a difference in my ability to perform those games.

00:02:51.000 But I think that that's, I think if you focus on stuff, you see a difference.

00:02:56.000 I mean, it's not magic.

00:02:58.000 It's one of those things where it gives you an opportunity to work out your brain, just like a gym gives you an opportunity to work out your body.

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00:04:55.000 What'd you get?

00:04:55.000 Which model did you get?

00:04:56.000 I got the new Samsung S4.

00:04:59.000 Oh, you got that one?

00:05:00.000 I got the Galaxy Note 3.

00:05:02.000 See, I wish I'd thought of that one because that one seems cooler.

00:05:04.000 It's bigger.

00:05:05.000 I've got phone in.

00:05:06.000 It might be too big because yours is pretty big.

00:05:09.000 Yours isn't small.

00:05:10.000 The S4, that's probably like the right size.

00:05:14.000 I'm being a glutton.

00:05:15.000 Yeah, it's a legitimate phone, and the service is $100 a month cheaper than my old AT ⁇ T. It really is.

00:05:21.000 It's so much cheaper.

00:05:23.000 It's ridiculously cheaper.

00:05:24.000 Well, Ting has been, the results that we've gotten from Ting, they've been probably our most universally applauded company.

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00:06:12.000 All high-end Android phones, which I use full-time now.

00:06:17.000 I gave up on the iPhone. 1.00

00:06:18.000 Fucking little screen, you go suck it. 1.00

00:06:21.000 They even have used phones on Tings. 1.00

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00:06:28.000 It's an HTC Evo 4G.

00:06:31.000 Yeah, they have some other ones too. 0.99

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00:07:12.000 It's a really cool company.

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00:07:29.000 You can get all these things and still have a sprint network behind you.

00:07:34.000 Look at my bill.

00:07:34.000 Here's my bill right now.

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00:07:40.000 Yeah, it's pretty sweet.

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00:08:04.000 It's pretty good at how they've got it all structured so you could figure out what you would save.

00:08:09.000 But if you go to rogan.ting.com, it's actually kind of interesting.

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00:08:22.000 It says it's not Joe.

00:08:23.000 Is it Rogan?

00:08:25.000 This is what's confusing me right now.

00:08:27.000 What's our, did they give me the wrong one?

00:08:30.000 Well, you said Rogan.tang.com.

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00:08:33.000 What did I do?

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00:08:35.000 I really have too many of these fucking things. 0.99

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00:08:39.000 I wish everybody could have the same code.

00:08:41.000 Just do both.

00:08:42.000 Yeah.

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00:08:55.000 Exactly.

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00:09:35.000 How about the iPhone can go suck it? 0.98

00:09:37.000 How about that? 1.00

00:09:38.000 I'm done with you and your scrawny screen. 0.88

00:09:40.000 You've been Chinsey with me for too long. 1.00

00:09:42.000 Is Chinsey a safe one to say? 1.00

00:09:44.000 That's not racist in any way, right?

00:09:45.000 It doesn't indicate.

00:09:48.000 Yeah, it doesn't indicate.

00:09:49.000 It just means cheap.

00:09:50.000 I don't think it's changed.

00:09:50.000 I know, but it seems like one you might get in trouble with and not realize.

00:09:54.000 And then the Chinsi people come after you, like, we are from the country of Chinsey.

00:10:00.000 I mean, there's like gypsy. 1.00

00:10:01.000 You can't say somebody gypped me because gypsies will get pissed off.

00:10:05.000 You used to say that all the time.

00:10:06.000 Oh, I got gypped.

00:10:07.000 You can't say that.

00:10:08.000 You know, you can't say Jew down.

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00:10:12.000 You cannot say that.

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00:10:17.000 In Ohio, I didn't know that Jude was a bad word.

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00:10:26.000 And he goes, did you say Jude him?

00:10:28.000 I'm Jewish, Brian.

00:10:29.000 And like, I didn't even know what a Jew was.

00:10:30.000 Because in Ohio, you only had white. 1.00

00:10:32.000 You might be the dumbest guy that's ever lived. 1.00

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00:10:42.000 I thought Mexicans have been in Ohio for a long time.

00:10:44.000 No, they got their.

00:10:45.000 Jamie's disagreeing with you, and he's also from Ohio.

00:10:48.000 He's also young.

00:10:49.000 I'm 40.

00:10:50.000 Yeah, that doesn't matter.

00:10:52.000 I think it's your brain. 0.62

00:10:53.000 I think you need to go to a doctor.

00:10:55.000 Dave's going to help you.

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00:10:57.000 There's something he needs to eat, like avocados or something.

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00:16:06.000 This will help. 1.00

00:16:07.000 Okay?

00:16:08.000 Pop in a few digestive enzymes.

00:16:09.000 It'll help your body break things down better.

00:16:11.000 Is this like the yogurt or the stuff, the live culture that you keep in your refrigerator?

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00:17:20.000 You're killing all the life in the food. 1.00

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00:17:27.000 What we buy in stores tastes like this weird water. 1.00

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00:17:59.000 Hey, Joe.

00:18:00.000 Hey, Dave.

00:18:01.000 On the bulletproof diet. 1.00

00:18:02.000 Oh, you motherfucker. 1.00

00:18:03.000 You started with the first sentence. 1.00

00:18:05.000 You went bulletproof.

00:18:06.000 Just hoping you were going to hang in there for like at least an hour.

00:18:10.000 This is about digest tech.

00:18:12.000 I recommend that people take lipase because it helps you digest fat, and most people don't get enough fat in, and that's one of the main ingredients there.

00:18:18.000 So I'm not trying to plug the diet.

00:18:19.000 I'm just saying this is the good stuff.

00:18:21.000 I really do think people perform better when they take digestive enzymes.

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00:19:01.000 Dave Asprey's here and he's hooked up to a goddamn machine already. 1.00

00:19:05.000 Walks in the door showing us his heart rate, his penis rigidity, all that. 1.00

00:19:09.000 It's all taken down. 0.99

00:19:10.000 What is that?

00:19:11.000 Is that an application that you have?

00:19:13.000 Yeah, it's called HR VSense.

00:19:15.000 It's a new app here.

00:19:17.000 It shows you your heart rate and your heart rate variability.

00:19:20.000 It'll track all day long what your stress is.

00:19:22.000 So you can see which meetings, like with your boss or someone.

00:19:24.000 Oh, so it tells you what time it was up and down.

00:19:24.000 I don't know.

00:19:27.000 It gives you like a chart.

00:19:28.000 Exactly.

00:19:29.000 Wow, that's pretty dope.

00:19:30.000 It also tells you when you're overtrained.

00:19:32.000 It can get your HRV in the morning, and then you can see if it doesn't change the way it should throughout the day.

00:19:36.000 You know you're getting too much exercise.

00:19:38.000 You need to back off, recover, and then hit it hard the next day.

00:19:40.000 That's a big one.

00:19:41.000 That's a big one that a lot of folks are not aware of, especially like these dudes that are into CrossFit and all that kind of wackiness.

00:19:49.000 There's a good thing in that for sure.

00:19:50.000 There's a good thing working really hard and training really hard, but you've got to give your body a chance to recover.

00:19:56.000 And if you don't, you get behind the eight ball, and then your body starts to degress.

00:20:00.000 You start to lose conditioning, and you can get injured.

00:20:03.000 Happens to a lot of young fighters.

00:20:05.000 A lot of young fighters overtrain.

00:20:07.000 Even older fighters.

00:20:08.000 Junior Dos Santos overtrained for his Kane Velasquez rematch so much that he got rhobdomyolysis.

00:20:15.000 Is that how you say it?

00:20:16.000 I don't even know that one.

00:20:17.000 That's the one that those CrossFitter dudes get all the time. 1.00

00:20:20.000 It's where your muscle breakdown is actually getting into your bloodstream.

00:20:24.000 It can cause kidney failure. 1.00

00:20:26.000 It's just because you have smashed your muscles so bad, they've become like jello and they're just oozing poison into your fucking bloodstream. 0.97

00:20:36.000 Yeah, I mean, you got to give yourself a chance to recover. 0.98

00:20:39.000 It's not a matter, it's simple matter of will over your body.

00:20:44.000 It's will along with science.

00:20:46.000 Like, can you push yourself to the 100% potential?

00:20:51.000 Most people don't even get there.

00:20:52.000 Most people don't get to the over-training part.

00:20:54.000 It's real psychos that get to the over-training part.

00:20:56.000 Most people don't even get there.

00:20:58.000 But the over-training part, use something like this, use a heart rate monitor, check yourself in the morning, things along those lines.

00:21:06.000 It will save so many people so much heartache.

00:21:09.000 Especially people who listen to this show, those are the people with a lot of will.

00:21:12.000 They really, they care about this stuff.

00:21:14.000 So if you have a lot of will, you're more likely to smash your muscles like that.

00:21:17.000 And that's one of my problems.

00:21:19.000 Like last time I said I'm not exercising that much because I'm not recovering.

00:21:23.000 Like I'm just going at 100 miles an hour all the time, sleeping five hours a night.

00:21:27.000 If I did hit it as hard as I could, if I lifted heavier three times a week, it would destroy me.

00:21:31.000 I would just get sick.

00:21:32.000 So I have to sleep a lot more if I'm going to lift heavy, but this app kind of tells me when I'm doing that.

00:21:37.000 Are you still trying to work out once a month or something wacky like that?

00:21:40.000 Weren't you doing like 45 minutes a month?

00:21:42.000 I try to do 15 minutes a week.

00:21:44.000 15 minutes a week?

00:21:46.000 I'm doing okay, but I think I could do better.

00:21:49.000 I'm not exactly as good.

00:21:50.000 Well, that's not really a sign of fitness.

00:21:52.000 I just want to let you know.

00:21:53.000 I don't know what kind of magazines you've read.

00:21:56.000 Those Charles Atlas things.

00:21:57.000 Remember those?

00:21:58.000 He-Man, build-a-H-Man things?

00:22:00.000 Yeah.

00:22:01.000 I'm actually working a lot on functional movement right now.

00:22:04.000 I have a screw in my right knee.

00:22:06.000 Ooh.

00:22:06.000 And I've had three surgeries on it before I was 24.

00:22:09.000 I have no ACL in it.

00:22:10.000 So I stand kind of...

00:22:14.000 And it took a lot of work, but I've been able to climb in the Himalayas and do long-distance HILT tracking.

00:22:14.000 Yeah.

00:22:19.000 Well, just get it fixed.

00:22:21.000 You know, I looked at it back when it went out, and they wanted to put something in from a cadaver that was good for five years or a synthetic.

00:22:26.000 No, no, it's not good for five years.

00:22:27.000 It's good forever.

00:22:28.000 I have one cadaver.

00:22:30.000 They told me it was only good for five years.

00:22:31.000 That's Canadians.

00:22:32.000 They don't know any better up there. 0.98

00:22:34.000 They're using dog bones.

00:22:36.000 Just five shoelaces and sliding your knee together.

00:22:39.000 I might actually get it fixed.

00:22:41.000 Dude, get it fixed.

00:22:42.000 Trust me.

00:22:42.000 I've had both of them undone.

00:22:43.000 You have, okay.

00:22:44.000 And did it change things for you? 1.00

00:22:45.000 Oh, fuck you. 1.00

00:22:46.000 I've had them done two different ways, too. 1.00

00:22:48.000 I had my left one done in 1993, and they did it with a patella tendon graft.

00:22:51.000 They take a slice off of your patella. 0.96

00:22:53.000 Your patella tendon is a big fat one in the middle, in the front, rather.

00:22:56.000 And that one's really strong.

00:22:58.000 You can take a little bit of that off, and more than enough for an ACL, and you still don't need the amount of strength that it possesses.

00:23:05.000 So they do that.

00:23:07.000 And as long as you do the right rehab, that's the way George St. Pierre just went.

00:23:12.000 Colin McGregor, he got the same surgery as well with the patella tending graft.

00:23:16.000 But a lot of guys want to do the less invasive one, which is with the cadaver.

00:23:21.000 I had that done on my right knee.

00:23:22.000 Mine worked great.

00:23:23.000 But I have heard other guys get the cadaver and then they're training, like they're trying to get back in shape and it blows out on them.

00:23:32.000 I have heard that happen because your body just didn't accept it or your body rejected it.

00:23:37.000 Dominic Cruz, in fact, the UFC bantamweight champion, he had to get his redone.

00:23:42.000 And it was for that very reason.

00:23:44.000 It just popped on him.

00:23:46.000 And he said what he was doing was nothing.

00:23:47.000 It just gave out.

00:23:48.000 Mine gave out.

00:23:49.000 I'd been lifting heavy six days a week for 18 months.

00:23:53.000 I was really training hard because I just never wanted to get hurt again.

00:23:55.000 I was in my early 20s.

00:23:56.000 I was still fat.

00:23:57.000 I couldn't lose this weight.

00:23:58.000 And I finally said, all right, I'm going to go have fun with my friends.

00:24:01.000 I was playing laser tag when I blew the ACL.

00:24:03.000 I just like squatted, twisted, boom.

00:24:05.000 Yeah, well, dorky way to hurt yourself.

00:24:06.000 I had the same thing.

00:24:07.000 I just turned when I was filming something once, fell to the ground screaming, and I couldn't walk for like a month.

00:24:12.000 Exactly.

00:24:13.000 Yeah, if you don't pivot your feet when you turn around, you put a lot of stress on that knee, man.

00:24:18.000 That's how I blew mine out the first time.

00:24:20.000 The left one I blew out throwing a kick on a bag.

00:24:22.000 I was just exhausted doing rounds on a bag, and I just didn't kick too hard to not pivot my knee, and it just popped on me.

00:24:29.000 It just gave out.

00:24:30.000 And my right one was doing jiu-jitsu.

00:24:33.000 It was caught between someone's legs, and he just extended his legs just half-guard, and my leg, my knee snapped like a carrot.

00:24:41.000 But both of them I had done, both of them are great today.

00:24:44.000 I do everything.

00:24:45.000 I do Muay Thai, Jiu-Jitsu.

00:24:46.000 It doesn't bother me at all.

00:24:48.000 It doesn't bother me at all.

00:24:48.000 So they can fix them solid.

00:24:51.000 The problem with not getting them fixed is they're moving around a lot and that's causing a lot of undue friction inside on your meniscus and all that jazz.

00:24:59.000 That stuff can get chewed up.

00:25:01.000 I've been able to totally control the pain in the knee and the inflammation and all.

00:25:06.000 So I feel good all the time.

00:25:08.000 But because my knee used to just pop out, my kneecap would just go sprawling and the leg would fold sideways and I'd fall down like over and over.

00:25:15.000 My nervous system learned that that leg is weak and you should protect it.

00:25:19.000 So I put all my weight on my left leg unconsciously.

00:25:21.000 And when I feel like I'm standing straight, I'm standing crooked and my right shoulder is too far forward and one's higher.

00:25:26.000 So I'm relearning all these like neurological pathways and activating my feet muscles in the right way.

00:25:32.000 And it's actually a lot of work and it makes like different parts of your body hurt in ways that aren't normal.

00:25:38.000 I think I didn't start out with the strongest physical frame I would have liked.

00:25:42.000 Yeah, you without a doubt should get your knees fixed. 1.00

00:25:45.000 I'm telling you, because it's one of those things where, yeah, there's a period where you're going to have to rehab it six months.

00:25:51.000 But once it's done, you'll be so happy.

00:25:54.000 You'll be like, oh, I got a leg I can count on now.

00:25:56.000 Yeah.

00:25:57.000 Because I guarantee you, you have like one leg you really count on and another one that you're just a little freaky.

00:26:02.000 You don't want to jump onto an ice wall with it, you know?

00:26:05.000 Exactly. 1.00

00:26:05.000 If you went ice climbing, you wouldn't trust that bitch. 1.00

00:26:08.000 Not in the slightest. 1.00

00:26:08.000 No. 1.00

00:26:09.000 Yeah.

00:26:09.000 Get it fixed, dude.

00:26:11.000 Not hard, man.

00:26:12.000 And believe me, you'll be walking in like no time.

00:26:14.000 In like a week, you'll be walking around. 0.96

00:26:17.000 The way they can do it today, it's fucking incredible. 1.00

00:26:19.000 Just fix that bitch up. 1.00

00:26:21.000 All right. 1.00

00:26:22.000 Do it.

00:26:23.000 I will go see someone, Joe.

00:26:25.000 I want all pressuring them.

00:26:27.000 I'm going to give in to peer pressure and have knee surgery.

00:26:29.000 People, there's certain surgeries that I don't.

00:26:31.000 Like, I've seen a lot of people have problems with their backs. 0.97

00:26:36.000 Backs scare the shit out of me. 1.00

00:26:38.000 Like, I think a lot of people just like to go right away and get surgery on things. 0.96

00:26:44.000 And I think in certain circumstances, surgery is the way to go.

00:26:46.000 Like, I know people that have gotten artificial discs and a bunch of different things, and they needed to do it at the time.

00:26:52.000 They had, like, a real serious issue.

00:26:53.000 But I know some other people, I go, man, I wonder if that guy could have held out.

00:26:57.000 I wonder if he could have lost some weight.

00:26:58.000 I wonder if he could have tried taking yoga, tried changing his diet a little bit to reduce inflammation, cut out your sugars, simple sugars.

00:27:06.000 Like people don't realize, you know, I went gluten-free, cheated a little bit the other day.

00:27:12.000 Had some cookies.

00:27:12.000 Oh, whoa.

00:27:13.000 Did you get sick?

00:27:14.000 No, no.

00:27:15.000 You just said you had a flu, right?

00:27:16.000 Yeah, but that wasn't because of that.

00:27:18.000 He was tossing his cookies. 1.00

00:27:20.000 No, the flu is because of this Reginokine shit. 0.99

00:27:24.000 I'm going through this blood spinning procedure today. 0.99

00:27:27.000 It was actually the first day.

00:27:28.000 Have you ever heard of that stuff?

00:27:29.000 Do you know what it is?

00:27:29.000 Blood spinning.

00:27:30.000 What is it?

00:27:31.000 I'm the wrong guy to explain this to you. 1.00

00:27:33.000 I'm so fucking stupid. 0.99

00:27:34.000 But it's what a lot of athletes have been doing. 1.00

00:27:36.000 The stem cell thing?

00:27:37.000 Well, it's not necessarily a stem cell thing.

00:27:39.000 It's your own blood, and then your blood gets put through this process.

00:27:46.000 I should find a best way to explain it online.

00:27:49.000 But I flew back from England, so it was like an 11-hour flight, and then I didn't get any sleep the night before because my clock was all screwed up. 0.89

00:27:58.000 So I stayed up all night, and then tried to sleep on the plane, and then lifted in the morning like an asshole, and then started to feel kind of sick, and then got this quart of blood pulled out of my body. 0.97

00:28:09.000 Oh, man. 0.98

00:28:10.000 It's not really a quart.

00:28:10.000 I don't know what it is.

00:28:11.000 How many?

00:28:12.000 It's probably a pint.

00:28:13.000 When did they put it back in?

00:28:13.000 That's what they usually take.

00:28:15.000 I think it's more than a pint. 1.00

00:28:16.000 It's a lot of goddamn blood. 1.00

00:28:18.000 They culture it for what? 1.00

00:28:20.000 They do something where they introduce it to heat and then they spin it in a centrifuge and they pull out this yellowish shit. 1.00

00:28:26.000 And this yellowish shit is supposed to be one of the very best drugs for anti-inflammation known to man. 0.99

00:28:35.000 It's created by your own body. 1.00

00:28:36.000 Sign me up.

00:28:37.000 Yeah, I'm fascinated by it.

00:28:40.000 I don't necessarily know for sure that it's going to work, but it's one of those things that all these different athletes, like Peyton Manning, had it done on his neck.

00:28:51.000 He had two different neck surgeries, I believe, and he was close to retiring before he had this done.

00:28:57.000 And I know that Chris Wideman, the UFC middleweight champion, just went over there and had it done on his knee, and he's just raving about it.

00:29:04.000 Did you go to London to get it done?

00:29:05.000 Well, I went to getting mine done in Santa Monica.

00:29:10.000 They started doing it in Santa Monica now.

00:29:11.000 Sweet.

00:29:13.000 The guy learned how to do it from the dude in Germany.

00:29:16.000 There's a cat in Germany that figured this out.

00:29:19.000 Germany is just so far ahead of the United States when it comes to their experimental medicine. 1.00

00:29:26.000 Everyone in the United States got hamstrung with all that stem cell shit during the Bush administration where people thought they were just going to start sucking babies out of chicks' pussies and turning them into fucking medicine. 1.00

00:29:37.000 There was a real worry that people were going to actually get abortions on purpose in order to do this. 1.00

00:29:44.000 Yeah, there was a lot of nuttiness when it came to stem cells and research.

00:29:49.000 And so we lost a lot.

00:29:50.000 Here's the coolest stem cell story I've ever seen.

00:29:53.000 There's this thing you can do for anti-aging where you pull your fat cells out and they do something to them and re-inject them as fat stem cells.

00:30:00.000 And it can take 20 years off your face and it lasts for a long time.

00:30:04.000 So a lot of ladies are getting this done. 1.00

00:30:05.000 And there was a lady in Beverly Hills who got that done the same time they injected calcium into her eyelids. 0.96

00:30:12.000 And because it was a stem cell and it saw the calcium, it made bones in her eyelids.

00:30:16.000 So she'd close her eyes and it would click with bones.

00:30:19.000 True story.

00:30:20.000 That's amazing.

00:30:21.000 So yeah, stem cells are amazing and I don't think we understand them that well, but I'm really interested in stimulating mine.

00:30:25.000 I'm using like electromagnetic fields to do that right now.

00:30:28.000 Yeah, that seems like student stem cells in your eye. 1.00

00:30:32.000 You want to try like generation four or five of that motherfucker. 0.99

00:30:36.000 It's like these poor gals that get their lips done permanently and like get like crazy facial surgery. 1.00

00:30:43.000 You know, there's another thing that they're coming up with in Germany that's going to make your body restart its production of collagen.

00:30:50.000 Sweet. 0.96

00:30:50.000 Yeah, like what you had when you were young, and the reason why your face turns all wrinkly and fucking, a lot of that is collagen. 0.96

00:30:57.000 These same guys as Dr. Peter Welling that developed this Regino Keene therapy. 0.93

00:31:03.000 They're developing something that's going to make your body reproduce collagen. 0.99

00:31:07.000 They're going to have shit nailed within 100 years. 0.98

00:31:11.000 No one's ever going to die. 0.99

00:31:12.000 You had Aubrey DeGrey on, right?

00:31:14.000 I had Aubrey DeGrey on my TV show.

00:31:16.000 He never actually made the air. 1.00

00:31:17.000 He goes, fucking Philistines. 1.00

00:31:20.000 How dare they edit Aubrey de Grey out? 1.00

00:31:22.000 Aubrey's a buddy.

00:31:22.000 He's fascinating task.

00:31:23.000 I just love that guy, but I just talked to him for about an hour, hour and a half.

00:31:26.000 Did you get hypnotized by his beard?

00:31:28.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:31:29.000 Sexy as fuck. 0.99

00:31:31.000 I keep looking at him. 0.99

00:31:31.000 He has the coolest beard I've ever seen on a human being, and I just try to look him in the eye, and I just look at his beard. 0.99

00:31:36.000 So, hey, Aubrey.

00:31:37.000 Yeah, great guy.

00:31:38.000 So this Reginokine stuff, they take 60 milliliters of blood.

00:31:43.000 That seems like a lot.

00:31:44.000 Wow.

00:31:46.000 The blood is then heated, and the heating causes the blood to undergo the same change as it would if a person receives a fever.

00:31:52.000 And the blood is then put into a centrifuge and separated.

00:31:56.000 And one of the layers of yellowish serum is a layer full of things great for reducing pain and inflammation.

00:32:02.000 Cytokines? 0.84

00:32:03.000 Is that cytokines?

00:32:05.000 Cytokines, cytokines.

00:32:06.000 Cytokines, K-E-N-E-S. 0.99

00:32:09.000 It's really interesting shit. 0.98

00:32:11.000 I'll let you guys know exactly whether or not it's helping or not helping me, but I just had the first series of injections stuck into my neck and back this morning. 0.99

00:32:19.000 There's another German thing they do.

00:32:21.000 They'll pull your blood out, they'll mix it with ozone gas, which causes a whole bunch of anti-inflammatory molecules, and then they inject the blood back in after that Really strong oxidative exposure, and it has not stem cell effects, but it has really strong anti-inflammatory effects.

00:32:36.000 I've done that one, and it's pretty legit.

00:32:38.000 Well, according to a lot of these doctors, inflammation is the cause of a lot of illnesses, a lot of problems, and there's many different factors.

00:32:48.000 There's diet, there's certain people have allergies or certain things they're not aware of that cause inflammation, but diet is a big one.

00:32:56.000 Having a low inflammatory diet or a low inflammation diet, it's really good for you.

00:33:02.000 And it's good. 0.99

00:33:03.000 We're fucking so hooked on shit that's not good for us. 1.00

00:33:07.000 You know? 1.00

00:33:08.000 Like, I talked, so many people I've talked to about this.

00:33:10.000 Like, I went gluten-free.

00:33:12.000 So many people I talked to about it, they were like, how hard is that?

00:33:15.000 How hard is that to do?

00:33:16.000 My God, it's got to be so hard to do.

00:33:18.000 Like, I could never do it.

00:33:19.000 They just like, they're just wouldn't.

00:33:21.000 And I'm like, I'm telling you, it's not that hard.

00:33:23.000 It's really not that big a deal.

00:33:24.000 You just eat vegetables and meat.

00:33:26.000 Like, everything tastes good.

00:33:27.000 But it's like, you get this idea in your head that you need to have this stuff in your body all the time.

00:33:33.000 Bread and sugar.

00:33:35.000 But bread converts directly to sugar. 0.97

00:33:37.000 Even if gluten is, it's all bullshit, like the gluten intolerances that people have as far as digesting. 0.97

00:33:44.000 Even if that's bullshit, it's definitely not bullshit that you're becoming a person with much more sugar in their diet if you increase the amount of pastas and breads you eat. 0.98

00:33:53.000 Without a doubt, when you eat pasta, when you eat bread, it converts directly to sugar. 0.97

00:33:57.000 And having sugar in your body causes inflammation.

00:33:59.000 So gluten, without a doubt, causes inflammation.

00:34:02.000 There's another thing called agglutination, which is when your red blood cells stick together so they don't carry nutrients and oxygen like they should.

00:34:09.000 And part of gluten is gliadin, which is something that we use to cause clotting.

00:34:14.000 Like it's a clotting factor that's in this grain, and it's there as a defense mechanism to keep animals from eating the grain.

00:34:20.000 So when people eat this.

00:34:22.000 So what do we do?

00:34:23.000 Yeah, we eat it.

00:34:23.000 We eat it.

00:34:24.000 We're like, oh, I wonder why I have autoimmune conditions.

00:34:27.000 This is one of the reasons.

00:34:28.000 Do you think that if that was known, that that would be something that they would just start telling farmers, hey, guys, guys, guys, stop growing grain.

00:34:35.000 Like, look what's going on.

00:34:37.000 And the farmers would go, oh, we didn't even know.

00:34:39.000 Oh, it's causing inflammation?

00:34:41.000 Oh, sorry.

00:34:42.000 But no, it's just like everybody's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:34:44.000 I like bread.

00:34:47.000 Yeah, yeah, I'm not going to stop eating spaghetti.

00:34:49.000 That's the gluteomorphin problem.

00:34:50.000 You know about that?

00:34:51.000 What's that?

00:34:52.000 Gluteomorphin is what happens when you partially digest gluten.

00:34:55.000 It goes through the gut lining and it's called gluteomorphin because it sounds like morphine.

00:34:59.000 It goes to the same opiate receptors that heroin goes to.

00:35:03.000 There's a reason when you go gluten-free, you're fine.

00:35:05.000 And then you have one bagel or croissant and the next day you're like, I'll just have a little bit.

00:35:08.000 It's the same.

00:35:09.000 It's like someone says, I mostly gave up heroin.

00:35:11.000 Like, no, if you go gluten-free, don't have a cheat day once a week because you'll crave gluten all the time because of this opiate-like effect.

00:35:18.000 This is one thing that I've read, and I'd really like to know, how long does gluten affect your system? 0.96

00:35:24.000 Like, say, because I've read that it's total bullshit, that it goes right through your system just like everything else. 0.78

00:35:29.000 It's not a healthy thing to eat, but your body doesn't have, most likely, unless you have celiac disease, doesn't have any intolerances towards it. 0.97

00:35:36.000 And then I've read the other that says that it can stay in your system as long as 30 days.

00:35:39.000 Like have a cookie, and it'll be in your system for 30 days.

00:35:43.000 I'm like, that doesn't even make sense.

00:35:44.000 The gluten itself won't be in your system, but the impact of the gluten on your immune reaction can go as long as six months.

00:35:51.000 How is that possible?

00:35:51.000 Well, it's kind of like...

00:35:56.000 It doesn't fuck you. 0.99

00:35:57.000 It has declining power over how you feel. 1.00

00:36:00.000 But think about this.

00:36:01.000 You get one immune booster, right?

00:36:03.000 That's good for a whole year.

00:36:04.000 It was one exposure.

00:36:05.000 What's an immune booster?

00:36:06.000 Well, like you get like a vaccine, like a flu shot, right?

00:36:09.000 So that's good for a whole year if they got the right flu.

00:36:09.000 Okay.

00:36:12.000 That's probably one thing they're going to have someday.

00:36:14.000 Like an immune booster.

00:36:15.000 Like something they just shoot you with and your immune system goes.

00:36:19.000 Well, they have that for specific things like rabies.

00:36:21.000 Like I got rabies shots because I was bitten by a vampire bat.

00:36:24.000 No joke.

00:36:24.000 Whoa.

00:36:26.000 You ever worry that you would turn?

00:36:27.000 You know, it happened, and I just dealt with it.

00:36:29.000 You just dealt with it?

00:36:30.000 You're sitting in your house looking out the window, feeling your fangs grow.

00:36:35.000 That was really weird.

00:36:35.000 I woke up with a vampire bat literally feeding on my neck.

00:36:38.000 That is so fucked. 1.00

00:36:40.000 I was in Colorado. 1.00

00:36:40.000 Where were you? 1.00

00:36:42.000 It's the only time this has ever happened in the continental U.S. Why were you sleeping near a bat? 1.00

00:36:46.000 I was sleeping in a cabin.

00:36:47.000 I didn't know the bat was in there or I would have chosen a better place to sleep.

00:36:50.000 So the bat was in the cabin.

00:36:52.000 You're sitting there sleeping. 1.00

00:36:53.000 It swoops down and lands on your neck like a motherfucking movie and starts sucking the blood out of your... 1.00

00:37:00.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00

00:37:00.000 Do they always go for the neck? 1.00

00:37:02.000 That seems like so like you're not.

00:37:05.000 I was in a sleeping bag.

00:37:06.000 That was in the car.

00:37:07.000 And it's all tender there.

00:37:08.000 So I woke up and there was like, I was like having a dream and these two like tingly spots on my neck and my heart would beat and they'd tingle and they'd stop.

00:37:15.000 It would tingle and it would stop.

00:37:16.000 And I was like, oh my God, there's a mouse on my neck.

00:37:19.000 So I reached up and I grabbed it and I was just a kid and this happened.

00:37:23.000 And I tried to squeeze it to kill it and it bit my thumb.

00:37:26.000 So I threw it as hard as I could on the ground and it never hit the ground.

00:37:28.000 And I'm like, what was that?

00:37:31.000 It wasn't a mouse.

00:37:32.000 Like it was something.

00:37:33.000 And I was kind of freaked out and we turned on lights and we caught the bat. 0.51

00:37:35.000 We brought it to the hospital and they told us, you know, it's okay to kill it. 0.92

00:37:39.000 And we called all these bat experts and they all said, yeah, you know, you should pour ether in there and kill it. 1.00

00:37:45.000 So we pour ether in this pitcher where the bat was so they could freeze it and look for rabies in its brain.

00:37:49.000 And when we pour the ether in there, ether dissolves plastic.

00:37:52.000 So the bat like falls onto the floor in the hospital.

00:37:54.000 It's flopping around.

00:37:56.000 I'm sure in Durango, Colorado, they still remember this.

00:37:59.000 So the plastic jug, you pour the ether in, it just dissolved the jug away?

00:38:04.000 Yeah, like the bottom of the jug just fell out.

00:38:06.000 And so this like half-dead bat covered in plastic goose falls on the floor.

00:38:09.000 The nurses are running around.

00:38:10.000 And I'm sitting there with the leg on my neck.

00:38:13.000 It was crazy.

00:38:14.000 But yeah, so I could get an immune booster because I've had the whole rabies series.

00:38:17.000 One shot would like boost my immunity for a long time.

00:38:20.000 So it's not that hard of a thought to say, you know, if you drank a little bit of poison, it could cause a problem in your body for a long period of time.

00:38:29.000 So I was just on Tom O'Brien, a friend of mine who's been studying gluten for like 30 years.

00:38:36.000 He has a gluten summit coming up in November or sometime.

00:38:40.000 And I was one of his guests on there, but he interviewed like a whole bunch of different physicians who've been doing research on the immune effects of gluten.

00:38:47.000 Six months is a real number.

00:38:48.000 It's not always there.

00:38:49.000 And those last few months, it's a very tiny effect, but it's measurable and detectable.

00:38:54.000 How do they measure that and detect that?

00:38:56.000 That's what's confusing to me. 0.86

00:38:58.000 Like if you had a bowl of spaghetti, how the fuck could they measure the impact that that has six months in the future? 0.93

00:39:04.000 It depends on who you are. 0.99

00:39:05.000 But one of the things they could do is they can draw your blood every so often, like every, say, month.

00:39:11.000 Right.

00:39:11.000 and they can see declining levels of antibodies specifically to the stuff you ate if you're sensitive to it.

00:39:17.000 But get this.

00:39:18.000 When you eat gluten, it causes cross-reactivity in your immune system.

00:39:22.000 And there's whole panels of cross-reactivity things you can do.

00:39:24.000 What that means is that if your body is genetically or microbiologically set up that way, or let's say you have leaky gut because you didn't take your digestive enzymes, well, whatever the cause there is, this happens.

00:39:36.000 And then the wheat tells your body, oh, you should attack your nervous system.

00:39:40.000 You should attack your heart tissue. 0.55

00:39:41.000 You should attack your brain. 1.00

00:39:42.000 Wheat tells it that? 1.00

00:39:44.000 Damn straight. 1.00

00:39:45.000 Can't believe that fucking wheat. 1.00

00:39:47.000 I've never talked to wheat, so I guess I would never know. 1.00

00:39:49.000 Yeah, if we started talking to you, would you listen? 1.00

00:39:51.000 Be like, shut up, bitch. 1.00

00:39:52.000 You're getting nothing but bread. 1.00

00:39:54.000 I'm not eating my nerves. 1.00

00:39:55.000 Fuck you, man. 1.00

00:39:56.000 You're an asshole. 1.00

00:39:58.000 They found that they took blood from military guys. 1.00

00:40:01.000 The military does this.

00:40:02.000 They save the blood they draw for like 30 or 40 years.

00:40:06.000 And they went back and they looked at guys who got lupus and they looked at their blood.

00:40:09.000 And they found out that they could find 10 years ahead of time.

00:40:12.000 They could predict they were going to have lupus based on their antibodies to their own tissues.

00:40:16.000 And gluten stimulates those antibodies to your own tissues.

00:40:19.000 I still don't understand how they would be able to detect six months' worth of the impact of gluten.

00:40:25.000 I mean, they would have to really restrict your diet for six months to isolate that it was just the gluten that caused those issues.

00:40:31.000 Well, for me, for instance, I don't touch gluten.

00:40:33.000 The stuff is like kryptonite to me.

00:40:34.000 I really don't feel well.

00:40:36.000 I get like zits and I just feel like crap and then I crave it and it's just not okay for my immune system.

00:40:41.000 I like cookies.

00:40:42.000 Yeah, you and me both.

00:40:43.000 I like spaghetti too.

00:40:44.000 But I found gluten spaghetti.

00:40:45.000 There's some like legit gluten pastas.

00:40:48.000 You got to get the kind that's not dried, I found.

00:40:50.000 I found like the kind that you only boil for like two minutes.

00:40:53.000 That's like the mushroom rice kind.

00:40:54.000 Well, the kind that looks like fresh pasta.

00:40:57.000 Oh, made out of rice or sea?

00:40:59.000 Made out of gluten.

00:41:00.000 Yeah, it's made out of rice.

00:41:01.000 Wow.

00:41:02.000 But made out of something that has no gluten.

00:41:04.000 But it's amazing.

00:41:06.000 The gluten-free pastas that I've had, they taste just like regular pasta.

00:41:09.000 Like you don't feel like you lose anything.

00:41:11.000 But the amount of time digesting it is incredibly different.

00:41:15.000 The way your body feels after, like, the other night I had a big bowl of this gluten-free pasta with like this delicious sauce with garlic in it.

00:41:24.000 And I swear to God, it tasted exactly like regular linguine.

00:41:28.000 But the next like hour or two wasn't a struggle and staying conscious.

00:41:34.000 It wasn't that that you get if you have a big bowl of like regular spaghetti.

00:41:39.000 Isn't that the reason why like Chinese or Asian foods don't like you get hungry faster after that for the second?

00:41:44.000 I never understood that.

00:41:46.000 That was like an old joke.

00:41:47.000 It's MSG.

00:41:48.000 Is that what it is?

00:41:49.000 MSG drives your blood sugar up and then makes it crater.

00:41:52.000 And that's why you get hungry because your body's like, could I have some more energy to pump this extra glutamate out of my synapses?

00:41:57.000 Oh, that makes sense.

00:41:59.000 I've always tried to avoid MSG.

00:42:01.000 I don't know why, but I've heard that it's really bad for you.

00:42:03.000 So maybe that's why I never understood that joke.

00:42:06.000 They always say that, like, if you're not.

00:42:08.000 It's really bad for you.

00:42:08.000 Isn't it proven to cause cancer or something like that?

00:42:11.000 I don't know.

00:42:12.000 It's a cancer connection there.

00:42:12.000 What is MSG?

00:42:14.000 It's an exatory neurotoxin.

00:42:16.000 So inside your synapse, in order for a synapse to fire, monosodium glutamate.

00:42:23.000 It'll cause your synapses to fire naturally.

00:42:25.000 You squirt glutamate into a synapse, which causes a little electrical signal to flow, and then you suck that glutamate back out.

00:42:32.000 And that's how your brain works.

00:42:33.000 The problem is when you get extra glutamate like that, then you have so much that even when you suck the glutamate out, there's still some left.

00:42:39.000 So your cells keep firing.

00:42:40.000 That's why people get migraines and they get tired, they get sleepy.

00:42:43.000 But if you're a restaurant and you toss a little MSG in there, even stuff that's legally, you're allowed to say, I added no MSG, even though what you added was 74% MSG.

00:42:51.000 It's okay to say no MSG then.

00:42:52.000 That's FDA.

00:42:53.000 Really?

00:42:53.000 Oh, yeah.

00:42:54.000 Oh, those whores. 1.00

00:42:55.000 So you go to a restaurant and the cook honestly believes, like, the chef there will tell you, I'll look you straight in the eye and say, there's no MSG in here. 0.98

00:43:01.000 And he means it because he has things that say on the label, no MSG, because as long as it's at least 25% not MSG, you don't have to say what's in there.

00:43:08.000 That's hilarious.

00:43:09.000 And then he says, look, people like it more because you eat this and it causes a food craving.

00:43:13.000 So then you order dessert.

00:43:14.000 You order another drink.

00:43:15.000 So from his perspective, he's like, hey, people like it.

00:43:17.000 They order more food.

00:43:18.000 I'm more successful.

00:43:19.000 They like it.

00:43:19.000 I'm doing it for my people.

00:43:21.000 But what's the bad that's going on in their bodies?

00:43:24.000 What's going on is it just messed with their blood sugar.

00:43:26.000 It caused massive cravings for sugar, specifically, because it drove blood sugar up and made it drive down.

00:43:31.000 When it drives down, you're getting like these cravings.

00:43:33.000 Like, I think I'll have dessert.

00:43:35.000 I think I'll have the coffee.

00:43:36.000 I'll have another soda.

00:43:36.000 I think I'll have another beer.

00:43:38.000 So you have more yumminess in your life.

00:43:40.000 Absolutely.

00:43:40.000 That's the only issue?

00:43:41.000 Is more yumminess?

00:43:42.000 Well, the problem is, too, that those cells keep firing until they die, and you get headaches and all sorts of other things like that.

00:43:50.000 So there's no specific thing that you have to fear for. 0.99

00:43:53.000 Like your dick's going to break or your brain's going to stop working. 1.00

00:43:57.000 The brain stopping working is what happens over time. 1.00

00:43:59.000 I've not heard of butt cancer from MSG.

00:44:02.000 MSG, your brain stops working? 0.80

00:44:04.000 Yeah, it kills brain cells.

00:44:05.000 Yeah.

00:44:05.000 Really?

00:44:06.000 What it says online, there's on Wikipedia, it's kind of, I didn't know this, that it's one of the most abundant, naturally occurring non-essential amino acids.

00:44:14.000 It's a sodium salt of glutamic, glutamic, how do you say it?

00:44:19.000 Glutamic acid.

00:44:20.000 Glutamic acid.

00:44:21.000 One of the most abundant, naturally occurring non-essential amino acids.

00:44:27.000 Glutamic acid is, but monosodium glutamate isn't.

00:44:29.000 That's the thing.

00:44:31.000 When they monosodiumize it, to make up a word, that's what makes it highly purified.

00:44:37.000 Right, it's the sodium salt of glutamic acid, Look at soy sauce.

00:44:42.000 Soy sauce is full of naturally occurring MSG.

00:44:44.000 Umami, that flavor, that savory flavor that we want, that's basically the MSG taste for the MSG receptors on our tongue.

00:44:50.000 It tastes good.

00:44:51.000 What's umami?

00:44:52.000 What is that?

00:44:52.000 Umami, when you're a chef, it's like the sixths flavor.

00:44:56.000 And it's something that comes from like charring your meat just right, kind of searing the outside, or using soy sauce is the classical umami taste.

00:45:04.000 It was isolated by Japanese researchers who, funny enough, invented MSG when they were trying to get to the bottom of what's the special taste that people enjoy.

00:45:13.000 The problem is that that taste, especially in excess, causes these massive food cravings and drops in blood sugar and it causes brain cell death.

00:45:22.000 But it's yummy.

00:45:23.000 Amen.

00:45:25.000 Put it in cookies.

00:45:26.000 How much danger is it?

00:45:27.000 Like, is it something you should absolutely definitely avoid Or is it something like along like sugar, as long as you have it in moderation, you should be okay?

00:45:35.000 Especially for kids, it should be illegal to give kids MSG because their gut isn't that good at filtering these things out and their blood-brain barrier isn't fully formed.

00:45:44.000 Not that it's that good of a barrier in anyone.

00:45:47.000 After that, it's a question of how healthy your tissues are, what your genetics are.

00:45:50.000 I don't think there's any argument that it's good for you.

00:45:53.000 And it likely causes just weakness, headaches, brain fog, and tiredness in people, and they don't know what's happening.

00:45:53.000 I've never heard that.

00:46:01.000 It doesn't look good when you're reading the exotoxicity reports on Wikipedia.

00:46:07.000 It's bad news.

00:46:08.000 Oh, my God.

00:46:09.000 It's been shown in animal studies to cause damage in areas of the brain unprotected by the blood-brain barrier.

00:46:09.000 Yeah.

00:46:16.000 Exactly.

00:46:17.000 And that a variety of chronic diseases can arise out of this neurotoxicity.

00:46:22.000 But it tastes good, and it sells more food.

00:46:24.000 It's important.

00:46:26.000 There's about 40 different code names for MSG that the food industry is legally allowed to use.

00:46:31.000 Spice extracts are always MSG, but they're 74% MSG.

00:46:35.000 Hydrolyzed soy protein, textured vegetable protein, malt extract. 0.99

00:46:40.000 How did we get so fucking whore-like? 1.00

00:46:43.000 I mean, how did the food administration, the FDA, whoever allows this, how did they get so whore-like that they thought this is okay? 1.00

00:46:50.000 It was coffee's fault. 0.89

00:46:52.000 It turns out every one of the major packaged food companies out there right now started out marketing coffee.

00:46:52.000 Coffee?

00:46:59.000 The kind of ancient history of coffee marketing.

00:47:02.000 The techniques we use to manipulate people to eating the cheapest possible crap we can sell, the stuff that causes the most cravings so they'll buy more of it.

00:47:10.000 You can't eat just one sort of marketing.

00:47:13.000 That all evolved from the very early days.

00:47:15.000 And all those companies today, like Post and General Mills, started out as coffee merchants, and they just spread into these other kinds of food.

00:47:23.000 It kind of makes sense because if you start out with that, coffee, without a doubt, is addictive.

00:47:28.000 I mean, everybody knows it.

00:47:29.000 There's a place near me that has two Starbucks right next to each other.

00:47:33.000 There's a Starbucks that's right here.

00:47:35.000 And then there's a supermarket that's like 30 paces away with a big Starbucks sign.

00:47:41.000 So there's a Starbucks in the supermarket and there's a Starbucks store.

00:47:44.000 And they're right next to each other.

00:47:45.000 It's hilarious.

00:47:45.000 We're going to have to put a bulletproof on the third corner and just...

00:47:52.000 You should do a bulletproof coffee chain. 0.99

00:47:53.000 Most people have no idea what the fuck this stuff is. 0.86

00:47:56.000 When I give people bulletproof coffee, they always go like, whoa, the question everybody has about bulletproof, this is the controversial question. 0.98

00:48:06.000 This process that you have, the bunch of questions.

00:48:09.000 For folks who don't know what bulletproof coffee is, Dave invented some, this is how I found out about Dave.

00:48:14.000 Tate Fletcher came over to the Ice House studio and he brought this delicious thermos of amazing coffee that had stevia in it and butter. 0.99

00:48:25.000 And I was like, what the fuck are you drinking, man? 0.98

00:48:27.000 And he used to tell me about bulletproof coffee. 0.99

00:48:30.000 And it's coffee that is mixed with MCT oil and grass-fed butter.

00:48:36.000 And then more importantly, I started reading about mycotoxins and how just generally accepted it is that there's mycotoxins in a lot of different coffee that you buy, you know, and that people aren't testing for it and they just accept it and that you're drinking this fungus.

00:48:52.000 Joe, it's worse than that.

00:48:54.000 We know this is such a big problem that in the EU, there's a limit on one of the many different ones I test for.

00:49:01.000 In Singapore, in South Korea, in Japan, there are legal limits on this toxin called okratoxin.

00:49:08.000 But in the U.S., there's no limit.

00:49:10.000 So where do you think those shipments of coffee that are above the limit where you can sell it in Europe, where do you think they go?

00:49:16.000 They'll go here.

00:49:17.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:49:18.000 Holy shit. 1.00

00:49:19.000 And that's just one of the toxins. 1.00

00:49:19.000 I'm not kidding. 1.00

00:49:21.000 The stuff I test for is not regulated in any country.

00:49:23.000 All right.

00:49:24.000 How toxic, though?

00:49:25.000 When you say mycotoxins, I mean, what are the studies?

00:49:28.000 Do a Google search for okratoxin.

00:49:31.000 O-C-H-R-A-T-O-X-I-N. 1.00

00:49:33.000 I've got more than a thousand references to human health conditions indexed by condition getting ready to go up on the website.

00:49:40.000 This is a major human health hazard, not just in coffee, it's in lots of foods.

00:49:44.000 And on the Bulletproof Diet, there I said the B word again. 0.78

00:49:47.000 What I'm doing there is I'm saying, look, these are the foods that, from a base perspective, cause the least inflammation.

00:49:53.000 And the ones that are most likely to be moldy are going to be on the more dangerous side of things.

00:49:56.000 They're not going to be on Never Eat them.

00:49:58.000 They'll just be on the watch list.

00:49:59.000 Sweat this.

00:50:00.000 This is the description of it on Wikipedia.

00:50:05.000 Okratoxin A is known to occur in commodities such as cereal, coffee, dried fruit, and red wine.

00:50:12.000 It's possibly a human carcinogen and is of special interest as it can be accumulated in the meat of animals.

00:50:20.000 Thus, meat and meat products can be contaminated with this toxin.

00:50:25.000 Exposure to ochre toxins through diet can cause acute toxicity in mammalian kidneys.

00:50:31.000 That's you. 1.00

00:50:32.000 You're a mammal, fuckface. 1.00

00:50:33.000 And may be carcinogenic. 1.00

00:50:36.000 That's insane.

00:50:37.000 So get this.

00:50:38.000 Why doesn't it say coffee, though?

00:50:39.000 There's a reason that you should eat grass-fed meat, too. 0.87

00:50:43.000 This is one of the many reasons because these toxins that are common in grains and cereals, by the way, they feed the crap cereal to the animals that they're going to feed you.

00:50:51.000 Because the cereals that have high mold, they can't feed them to the pregnant cows because pregnant cows miscarry when they eat the toxic grain. 0.83

00:50:58.000 So they save it for the stuff you're going to eat.

00:51:00.000 That's insane. 0.91

00:51:01.000 It's disgusting. 0.99

00:51:02.000 Oh, that's so gross.

00:51:03.000 The grain thing is a real big issue.

00:51:06.000 And a lot of folks don't recognize.

00:51:08.000 I was at the supermarket the other day and this guy was trying to talk me into buying grain-fed beef because it was fattier and more delicious.

00:51:14.000 And I was like, no, dude, I know what I want.

00:51:16.000 I'm trying to get grass-fed beef for a reason.

00:51:19.000 You're selling an animal that's sick.

00:51:21.000 They had two different rows of meat.

00:51:25.000 And on one row, it was these grass-fed rib eyes.

00:51:28.000 And they're very small.

00:51:29.000 It's interesting.

00:51:30.000 The rib steak from a grass-fed cow is far smaller than the ones from these corn-fed cows.

00:51:36.000 And they were right next to each other.

00:51:37.000 But one of them was like a dark red.

00:51:40.000 And the other one was like this paler, sicker, fattier, sort of like red-ish color.

00:51:47.000 And that was the ones that were corn-fed.

00:51:50.000 And I was like, wow, this is like right in front of your face.

00:51:52.000 That's a healthy animal. 0.99

00:51:54.000 That's a sick animal. 1.00

00:51:55.000 The problem with those sick animals is they are fucking delicious. 1.00

00:51:59.000 If you take one of those Sick fat ones, and you slap that bitch on the grill, and you see all that fat crackling and everything. 1.00

00:52:06.000 It does taste good, but I like grass-fed better. 1.00

00:52:10.000 You don't cook it as long, it doesn't have nearly as much fat in it.

00:52:13.000 It's a much quicker cooking method, but you get used to the taste of it and the texture of it.

00:52:18.000 It just, I think it's a better-tasting beef.

00:52:21.000 It is way better for you.

00:52:23.000 That's undisputable.

00:52:24.000 It's better for you.

00:52:25.000 And once you get used to that taste, the other stuff doesn't taste good anymore.

00:52:29.000 It leaves like a coating in your mouth.

00:52:30.000 I went to one of those high-end chain steak houses where you spend 80 bucks on a steak, and I'm like, all right, I'll get it.

00:52:36.000 And I cut the fat off the steak, which I never do because it didn't taste right.

00:52:40.000 I could tell it wasn't good for me.

00:52:41.000 But when I get the stuff from a cow that's raised on grass, especially fresh, like just pasture, the fat's like a yellowish color, and it just tastes so good.

00:52:50.000 You get like a food high from it.

00:52:52.000 It is a different taste.

00:52:54.000 The fat is way different.

00:52:56.000 That yellow fat, it's really interesting.

00:52:58.000 It looks different.

00:53:00.000 What really gets me is the way it tastes.

00:53:03.000 It just tastes like an animal that's more gamey.

00:53:05.000 It tastes like a wild animal.

00:53:07.000 When you eat, like a lot of people don't like the gamey taste of venison, but a lot of what you're eating when you're eating venison is the diet of the animal.

00:53:15.000 Like if you get venison that's from a farm, like farm-raised venison, it tastes very different than wild venison.

00:53:21.000 Wild venison has like a feeling when you're eating it, like it's alive.

00:53:26.000 Like this is like a powerful piece of meat. 1.00

00:53:28.000 The farm venison that I've had, I've had some of it that's really good and I've had other that feels like, man, they must be giving these guys the same fucking shit they give cows. 0.99

00:53:36.000 Yeah, it's kind of flat tasting. 0.99

00:53:38.000 It's not like alive is a great word for it.

00:53:40.000 It's not running.

00:53:41.000 It's not running from bullets.

00:53:42.000 I interviewed Glenn Elzinga on my podcast. 1.00

00:53:46.000 Fucking Glenn. 0.99

00:53:46.000 I don't even know who that guy is. 0.99

00:53:48.000 This guy's like, he spent his whole life raising like 500 cattle.

00:53:51.000 And we went into all these crazy details.

00:53:54.000 And he said the secret to having the best grass-fed meat was that you wanted to go in and let the cows pick the grass they'd eat and then a cow will naturally get like the clump of grass that has the most nutrients for it.

00:54:07.000 Like they have radar for the right kinds of food.

00:54:10.000 And his meat has the darkest yellow fat I've ever had.

00:54:14.000 So it's, you know, it's one of those things where you have these guys who make wine, and there's the equivalent level of artistry for people who make beef.

00:54:22.000 And he told me about how after you slaughter the animal, like how they do it in an ethical way.

00:54:27.000 So there's no pain, no suffering.

00:54:28.000 They don't see each other die and all that.

00:54:30.000 But then like when you cool the animal determines whether you have a tender steak or a tough steak.

00:54:34.000 So there's this incredibly complex like artisanal process.

00:54:38.000 I did not know all those details, but I can't wait to have my own cows. 0.52

00:54:41.000 Like I'm going to be like a cow hacker one of these days. 1.00

00:54:43.000 It's a smart move.

00:54:45.000 I would love to have a small farm, like a farm for just me and my friends.

00:54:51.000 I think it's totally doable.

00:54:52.000 I've got an offering on one right now.

00:54:54.000 Really?

00:54:54.000 Fingers crossed in America or in Canada?

00:54:56.000 Godforsaken Land to the North.

00:54:58.000 It's on an island in the Godforsaken Land of the North.

00:55:00.000 But I'm really hoping that we get the financing we're looking for because I will have several cows on it and I'll invite you up for steak. 0.99

00:55:08.000 Dude, I goof around about Canada, but when the shit hits the fan, I'm fucking moving there for cheesy. 0.97

00:55:15.000 I almost moved there in 2008. 0.99

00:55:16.000 I got real close when George W. Bush was in office, and I was like, this is the...

00:55:23.000 Vancouver or Toronto?

00:55:24.000 What do you think?

00:55:25.000 I was going to go Vancouver because I don't want to freeze to death.

00:55:27.000 But if you're going to freeze to death, Toronto's the move.

00:55:30.000 Toronto's badass.

00:55:31.000 It's huge.

00:55:32.000 It's a great town.

00:55:33.000 It's got a weird thing going on because you have all the intelligence and worldliness of a big city, but you have nice people.

00:55:42.000 It's weird.

00:55:42.000 I mean, there's some douchebags in Toronto, don't get me wrong.

00:55:45.000 There's douchebags everywhere. 1.00

00:55:46.000 They're unavoidable. 1.00

00:55:46.000 I mean, there's a certain percentage of human beings that were raised by fuckheads. 1.00

00:55:50.000 They did a terrible job and created a shit product. 1.00

00:55:53.000 Just what it is. 1.00

00:55:54.000 It's the same as if you gave a bunch of people car parts and had them put together their own cars. 0.99

00:56:01.000 There's some people that are going to put together amazing cars, and there's some dickheads that are going to develop things where their fucking wheels fly off on the highway. 0.99

00:56:07.000 That's exactly right. 1.00

00:56:08.000 People suck. 1.00

00:56:09.000 I got to tell you, Canadians, they're so friendly. 1.00

00:56:13.000 I love living there.

00:56:14.000 I'm grateful to have been able to move up there because even in traffic, people don't cut you off.

00:56:19.000 They let you in.

00:56:20.000 And it's just a whole different experience, especially when I come down to LA where drivers are more aggressive.

00:56:26.000 I'm happy to drive in heavy traffic like this, but when I go up there, I have to take a deep breath and calm down. 0.98

00:56:31.000 Otherwise, I'd cut in front of all these slow cars, but then I would be one of those American jerks, and I don't want to do that. 0.99

00:56:36.000 Well, they've done these studies on rats where they stuff them into a room, and they have 10 rats in a room, then they have 20 rats in a room. 0.97

00:56:45.000 They've shown what happens with rat population densities.

00:56:50.000 It's the same thing that happens to people in cities.

00:56:52.000 Rats start sitting in the corner by themselves and rocking back and forth. 0.98

00:56:55.000 They exhibit all these weird fucking goofy behavior characteristics, and they do it in large numbers. 0.99

00:57:01.000 That's what you're dealing with in Los Angeles. 1.00

00:57:03.000 When you see these crazy people cutting in front of each other and fucking flying down the road and doing all this assholeish shit, there's too many people. 1.00

00:57:12.000 Too many goddamn people. 1.00

00:57:14.000 They're freaking out. 1.00

00:57:15.000 They're trying to get away from everybody.

00:57:17.000 But when I was in Boulder, there's such a marked difference in the way people drive in Boulder.

00:57:22.000 In Boulder, people wave to each other.

00:57:23.000 There's only 100,000 of them. 1.00

00:57:25.000 They fucking hit the blinkers. 0.99

00:57:26.000 They let you in. 1.00

00:57:27.000 Nobody's in a rush.

00:57:28.000 And you feel different when you're there.

00:57:30.000 There's a general tone in the air that feels more calm and relaxed.

00:57:34.000 I find it quite fascinating how palpable it is.

00:57:38.000 So how do we bring that to big cities? 0.99

00:57:40.000 Kill everybody. 1.00

00:57:41.000 It's the only way. 1.00

00:57:43.000 There's going to have to be a mass purging. 0.98

00:57:46.000 That's pretty dark, Joe.

00:57:48.000 I mean, you don't think there's some way we can maybe hack the cities to make them a little more biologically compatible?

00:57:52.000 I have put zero thought into how to fix it.

00:57:54.000 When I say kill everybody, I'm joking.

00:57:57.000 I think, though, there is an issue.

00:57:59.000 There's certainly an issue of how many people.

00:58:01.000 But I think that issue could be possibly managed by having some sort of real comprehensive mental health program in this country for adults and have it, you know, everybody's sort of on their own.

00:58:15.000 They're on their own from the time they get to high school, essentially.

00:58:18.000 Their parents drop them off at school, the parents are working, they come home, and then the parents are tired from work.

00:58:24.000 You're basically raising yourself from 14 on with like a little bit of influence by the older people around you. 0.99

00:58:30.000 Don't get into too much trouble, but you're kind of like that's stupid, all right? 0.78

00:58:34.000 That's the most complex part of a child's life, and it's the most as far as like when you're establishing your traits and establishing your way and your ethics and the way the way you're going to live your life, you develop a lot of those patterns when you're like 14 and 15 and 16. 0.94

00:58:53.000 Those are the years that I think it's very important to help people figure out how to manage life.

00:59:00.000 Help people figure out how to think, help inspire them, help show them what can be gained from setting goals and achieving them and that excellent feeling, and that it becomes contagious.

00:59:12.000 And then you can do more with that, and you can inspire other people.

00:59:15.000 You can surround yourself with a bunch of like-minded people, and instead of being jealous of each other, actually elevate each other and grow stronger as a group than you would as individuals.

00:59:24.000 There's a lot of things that people just don't get to learn.

00:59:27.000 And sometimes you're around the wrong people.

00:59:30.000 You have the wrong job.

00:59:31.000 You have the wrong career.

00:59:32.000 You have the wrong whatever.

00:59:33.000 And you never get around those people. 1.00

00:59:35.000 And then one day you're old as fuck and you realize you wasted your life doing shitty things that are boring, hanging around with assholes who have no social skills. 1.00

00:59:44.000 Nobody elevated anybody. 1.00

00:59:45.000 And then your fucking ticker stops. 1.00

00:59:47.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:59:48.000 That's a tragedy when that happens.

00:59:49.000 It is a tragedy.

00:59:52.000 I don't think that that is necessary.

00:59:54.000 That aspect of society, I really feel like it's a mismanaged resource issue.

00:59:59.000 I think that human beings essentially, besides being life, and besides being our brothers and sisters in the community of the world, we're also a resource.

01:00:08.000 And a life is a resource.

01:00:12.000 I've always said, if this country was smart, instead of spending all this money fucking with people in other countries, you want to build up, do you want to figure out how to make this country strong?

01:00:22.000 It's not by suppressing the people inside of it or controlling natural resources. 0.96

01:00:29.000 It's by making it so that there's the smallest amount of losers possible.

01:00:34.000 Find out what's the weakest link. 1.00

01:00:36.000 Well, the weakest link is people that are born in a shit economic situation to parents that don't give a fuck. 0.99

01:00:41.000 Find them and help them. 0.99

01:00:43.000 Eliminate the possibility of weak scenarios being the cause for weak people.

01:00:50.000 You ever see that study?

01:00:51.000 They went to like the poorest neighborhoods and they went to families with young kids and they gave them one brightly colored toy and that was it.

01:01:00.000 And then they tracked the results like 15 and 20 years later and there was a noticeable IQ difference and like a life success difference from the kids who got just a little bit more mental stimulation from having something like childlike to play with instead of just playing in squalor basically.

01:01:14.000 It doesn't take that much to move the needle in a big way.

01:01:17.000 And I think also just giving them something is also, it gives them like this feeling like someone did something nice to me.

01:01:23.000 It feels good.

01:01:24.000 It's not, you know, having a material possession is not really even what's the important aspect of it.

01:01:30.000 It's receiving something kind, receiving something generous.

01:01:34.000 I honestly didn't think when I was a kid, I mean, I didn't grow up wealthy or particularly poor, call it middle class, in Albuquerque, New Mexico, actually, home of breaking bad.

01:01:45.000 And I did not know that it was normal to expect people to help you.

01:01:49.000 I seriously just, that wasn't part of the way I thought the world worked.

01:01:52.000 And I didn't figure that out until I was in my mid-20s. 0.84

01:01:54.000 I was like, holy crap.

01:01:55.000 So like now I'm like, it's pretty easy to pay for the toll for the guy behind you or buy a cup of coffee for someone else the way people do at Starbucks. 0.97

01:02:02.000 Just kind of pay it forward. 0.98

01:02:03.000 But it changes someone's whole day just to know that like someone gave a crap about you. 0.53

01:02:07.000 That someone's nice.

01:02:08.000 Yeah, that's a sweet thing to do.

01:02:10.000 It is.

01:02:10.000 Tipping too.

01:02:11.000 That's another big one.

01:02:12.000 You know, when someone waits on you, give them a little couple extra bucks.

01:02:15.000 It's fun.

01:02:16.000 You don't notice it and they feel great.

01:02:19.000 That does spread.

01:02:21.000 It moves on to other people as well.

01:02:23.000 The other thing we got to do is rites of passage.

01:02:25.000 Like every society forever, especially for young men, there's rites of passage.

01:02:29.000 For women too, like the quincinera.

01:02:32.000 But for men, there really isn't one.

01:02:34.000 You talk about being 14 and all that.

01:02:36.000 There's no Boy Scouts for most people anymore.

01:02:38.000 And the whole, like you've become a man, you know, what do you do when you're 16?

01:02:42.000 We used to send him out in the desert with a knife and a loincloth and say, come back or don't.

01:02:47.000 It's a good way to not have men. 0.99

01:02:49.000 It sounds like some sort of a crazy feminist lesbian agenda trying to remove men from the planet. 1.00

01:02:55.000 You guys aren't hard enough, you fucking pussies. 1.00

01:02:58.000 You got to go naked with a knife. 1.00

01:03:00.000 It's a slower abortion. 0.99

01:03:01.000 Yeah.

01:03:02.000 Well, it's a late term one.

01:03:03.000 Yeah, late.

01:03:04.000 But it makes a difference because, you know, it does something for the psyche for young men.

01:03:09.000 When you're a teenager like that, you got enough hormones raging and all that stuff to kind of feel the sense of community and all that.

01:03:14.000 So I have no idea how to create rites of passage because that wasn't really a huge part of my life.

01:03:18.000 But the research I've seen on that says that's pretty important for kids at different ages.

01:03:23.000 And then you get this whole thing, like, oh, you're 18.

01:03:25.000 Now, you know, you can go out, you can hold a gun, you can vote, but you can't drink yet.

01:03:29.000 So, you know, more power to you.

01:03:30.000 But your prefrontal cortex isn't done until you're 23, maybe even 25.

01:03:35.000 So what about like the development that happens in your 20s when you realize around like 23, like, oh, I probably can't drink every night of the week because I'm, you know, not holding up as well as I'd like.

01:03:44.000 I'm tired all the time.

01:03:45.000 So by the time you're 25, you're like different than you were when you're 23, than when you're 21.

01:03:49.000 And when you're 30 and 40, you don't stop evolving through the course of your life.

01:03:53.000 And like Erickson and guys all studied that and wrote about the stages of adult development.

01:03:57.000 You can Google that.

01:03:58.000 And like, why do we stop paying attention to people when they basically turn 18?

01:04:03.000 And it's like, there you go.

01:04:04.000 Hope you don't end up in jail.

01:04:05.000 Yeah, and we don't even pay attention to them before they even turn 18. 1.00

01:04:09.000 Once they start talking back, we just fucking, you're on your own, fuckface. 0.98

01:04:12.000 You know, I think, and it's once a kid is on a path too, like if a kid is on a path to becoming an electrical engineer or on a path to, it's very difficult to jump off of a path that you've already started. 0.99

01:04:24.000 That's one of the hardest things to do in life.

01:04:26.000 When you already have some momentum and success, it makes it actually even harder.

01:04:30.000 And it should reaffirm, like, if you've been successful at this, you could be successful at anything.

01:04:36.000 But most people don't think like that.

01:04:38.000 They think, well, hey, this is X is my specialty.

01:04:41.000 If I decide that Y is my real love, I'm going to start from scratch.

01:04:44.000 I don't want to do that.

01:04:46.000 You know, I don't want to tell my, I don't want to, you know, I'm competing with my colleagues.

01:04:49.000 I don't want to all of a sudden be back to square one and these guys are at step seven or eight.

01:04:54.000 It's like you're on a train and your train's moving and you can jump off, but if you do, you got to go all the way the fuck back, and then you got to go in another direction.

01:05:05.000 It's like you're not just starting from scratch, you have to run all the way back and start from scratch.

01:05:12.000 Part of the problem here is there's so much regulation now, all these professional trade organizations that make it damn near impossible for someone who's sincerely interested in doing a new career to enter the career.

01:05:25.000 Whether you want to be a plumber, like try and just go out there and say, you know, I read all the books, I learned all this stuff.

01:05:30.000 By the time you do all the things, you're going to have invested years and a ton of money just to be allowed to go into someone's house and put a wrench on a pipe by yourself.

01:05:38.000 And the same thing goes if you want to do some sort of quasi-medical, like physical therapist.

01:05:43.000 The line between a really good functional movement trainer and a physical therapist is pretty blurry in my experience.

01:05:50.000 Yet one group has like severe restrictions on who can call themselves that and very rigid requirements for what it takes.

01:05:57.000 And the other group may have similar skills, but they're not even allowed to talk about some of what they do.

01:06:01.000 So I'd like to see a little bit more fluidity around people's careers because maybe we say, all right, this guy's certified, but this guy is doing similar things.

01:06:08.000 He's not certified.

01:06:09.000 probably going to charge less.

01:06:10.000 But at least he's allowed to talk about what he does.

01:06:12.000 But right now, That's where it becomes really problematic. 0.98

01:06:17.000 It's like, how do we know this guy knows what the fuck he's doing? 0.97

01:06:20.000 Yeah. 0.94

01:06:21.000 Well, I think that it's just unfortunate that a lot of folks get on a path that they're not actually enjoying.

01:06:28.000 And I think a lot of times you're getting advice from parents or friends or girlfriends or boyfriends where they're, you know, say, hey, this is the safer bet.

01:06:36.000 This is the more likely scenario for success.

01:06:40.000 You can't think like that.

01:06:42.000 It didn't work for me.

01:06:42.000 It doesn't work for anybody.

01:06:44.000 I mean, you can decide it works for you until you see someone who's living the life they actually want to live. 1.00

01:06:48.000 Then you're like, fuck. 0.99

01:06:50.000 You think that it's impossible to do something different than what everybody else is doing. 1.00

01:06:56.000 Working in a job, working in a cubicle, whatever.

01:06:58.000 And then you run into your friend from college who's in a band now. 0.99

01:07:01.000 And you're like, God damn it. 1.00

01:07:03.000 This motherfucker's out touring the world singing songs. 1.00

01:07:06.000 They were like a professional comedian or something. 1.00

01:07:08.000 Yeah, one of those things. 1.00

01:07:10.000 Same shit, man. 1.00

01:07:11.000 I've never had a regular normal job. 1.00

01:07:13.000 From the time I was out of high school, everything's been weird.

01:07:18.000 I had a job job, you know, teaching martial arts, but it was never, you know, I was never in a cubicle or I had no possibilities.

01:07:25.000 Cubicles are death, man.

01:07:26.000 It wasn't going to happen.

01:07:27.000 I was never going to be able to work in an office.

01:07:28.000 I never even thought it was ever a possibility. 0.98

01:07:32.000 Like when I was in high school, my number one thing was, I have to get the fuck out of here.

01:07:37.000 And then once I'm out of here, now I can figure this out for myself. 0.95

01:07:40.000 But whatever it is that allows you to think that that's good and think that that's preparing you for something that you actually want to do, ooh, I got to not allow that in my brain.

01:07:50.000 Yeah.

01:07:50.000 I just knew that those people that were teaching those classes were so unhappy.

01:07:55.000 Public school, the one good thing about it sucking so hard is that it makes you analyze these poor fucks that are teaching you. 0.98

01:08:02.000 You know, if you have a really incompetent professor, it makes you analyze these poor dummies that are no motivation, not getting paid well, and they're not doing a good job of it either. 0.99

01:08:15.000 They don't take any pride in their work. 0.98

01:08:16.000 It's almost like if you wanted to go all Alex Jonesy, it's almost like they designed it to make sure that there's a certain amount of losers. 0.98

01:08:23.000 There's always going to be a certain amount of people that are willing to take crappy jobs because they have no skills, because it just made education really fucking terrible. 0.85

01:08:32.000 Well, there's a bunch of people who go into teaching because they just genuinely want to help kids.

01:08:38.000 Sure.

01:08:39.000 And they spend a lot of time getting certified, especially here in California.

01:08:43.000 The certification process is crazy.

01:08:45.000 So they go to all this, and what do they get as a reward for all their college and all their extra training credentials?

01:08:50.000 They get a job that pays them like $30,000 a year with 42 kids in the room, including some who have special needs who they just couldn't fit in the other classroom.

01:08:57.000 I volunteered.

01:08:58.000 I taught eighth graders for a couple days using Junior Achievement, this nonprofit that lets professional people come in and just teach.

01:09:07.000 And I did this in East Palo Alto a while back, which is a really poor part of the Bay Area, like probably the poorest part of the Bay Area around there.

01:09:17.000 It's like one side of the freeway is Stanford University, five and $10 million homes.

01:09:22.000 You go across the road, there's dirt roads and like gunfire.

01:09:24.000 And it's literally the freeway cuts it down the middle.

01:09:27.000 Yeah, that's a weird area.

01:09:29.000 It is.

01:09:29.000 And so I'm there and I'm volunteering to teach in this class.

01:09:32.000 And I just remember I'm usually pretty good in front of a classroom.

01:09:35.000 I taught at the University of California, so I'm a trained teacher.

01:09:38.000 And it was so hard because there were two kids there who didn't belong in that class because their brains were tweaked.

01:09:43.000 Like they were seriously unable to hear the answer to the question.

01:09:47.000 So they would just interrupt constantly.

01:09:49.000 And I just looked at the rest of the kids there and they're just sitting there kind of glazed over because they're getting nothing from this.

01:09:53.000 And I talked to the teacher afterwards and he's like, there's nothing I can do.

01:09:56.000 And this guy was one of those really good, just warm-hearted, nice guys who was teaching in a neighborhood he didn't have to teach in because that was where he could make the most good.

01:10:04.000 And like, we need to pay teachers more and we need to make public schools better.

01:10:07.000 That's one way to make the whole place more peaceful.

01:10:10.000 Yeah, that's why I was saying it's almost Alex Jonesy.

01:10:12.000 It's like by charging or by paying them $35,000 a year, you're ensuring they're going to suck at their job, a good percentage of them.

01:10:19.000 And you'll drive away some of the most passionate ones because on top of that, they have all the bureaucracy and lawsuits and just rigmarole of working for kind of an ancient government.

01:10:28.000 And I should be clear about that.

01:10:29.000 I'm not actually implying that it is some sort of a conspiracy as to why the schools suck.

01:10:36.000 I think it's simply a matter of they can get away with not paying.

01:10:39.000 I think they can cut resources in that area and then get away with it. 0.98

01:10:42.000 I think it's just one of those things that people cut.

01:10:45.000 And I think it's more of an economic matter than anything.

01:10:50.000 I don't think it's a big grand conspiracy.

01:10:52.000 But that's one of the reasons why people do think it's a conspiracy.

01:10:55.000 I mean, if you did want to look at the effects of not having a properly motivated group of teachers teaching children, I mean, that's the effects of a terrible education.

01:11:04.000 I looked at the cost of sending my kids in the Bay Area just to kindergarten in a private mid-tier school.

01:11:12.000 It was going to cost $40,000 a year for two kids post-tax.

01:11:16.000 Like, that's university level, but that's because private schools are too much.

01:11:22.000 I don't know how to do that.

01:11:23.000 One of the things that led me to move to Canada, where I live now, was affordable school and really good quality schools.

01:11:30.000 And you want to have that stable community and you want to have a sense of safety, but you also want to have a sense of affordability.

01:11:36.000 So school is probably better quality than the one where my kids would have gone in the Bay Area, but it's 10% the cost. 0.98

01:11:45.000 Right, but they have to drive in kilometers and shit. 0.98

01:11:48.000 That's a tough one for me. 0.99

01:11:49.000 Yeah, with Celsius.

01:11:50.000 I just pretend like they're the same, and I'm going faster than everyone else, and I think that's okay.

01:11:54.000 Is it a weird thing when you convert it over when you went over there?

01:11:57.000 Like, what about the money?

01:11:58.000 Did that freak you out?

01:11:59.000 It's almost exactly the same.

01:12:00.000 So it's just like these plastic things with pictures of English people, even though it's Canada.

01:12:04.000 I never understood why they do that.

01:12:05.000 It's a colony.

01:12:07.000 So I just found it was seamless.

01:12:09.000 The only thing is, the kilometers thing, I truly haven't memorized that.

01:12:13.000 So I might have been pulled over once or twice.

01:12:15.000 Not because I was trying to go excessively fast, just because I wasn't paying attention.

01:12:18.000 And like 60 kilometers means nothing to my brain.

01:12:21.000 Did you have family in Canada or just?

01:12:23.000 Yeah, my father-in-law's in Pemberton near Whistler.

01:12:27.000 Yeah.

01:12:28.000 So good place to go hunting.

01:12:29.000 Yeah, it's a nice area, man.

01:12:31.000 That whole Vancouver area is very nice. 0.99

01:12:32.000 Real estate is fucking stupid expensive, though. 0.99

01:12:35.000 It is on the mainland. 1.00

01:12:37.000 Where I live on the island, it's pretty affordable.

01:12:39.000 Oh, is it?

01:12:40.000 Yeah, Vancouver.

01:12:40.000 Which one is there?

01:12:41.000 Fucking bears on an island, though? 0.99

01:12:42.000 We do have bears on the island. 0.99

01:12:43.000 What kind?

01:12:44.000 Grizzlies? 1.00

01:12:44.000 There's black bears, and grizzlies just immigrated. 1.00

01:12:46.000 They swam across some strait.

01:12:49.000 There was one in my backyard not that long ago.

01:12:51.000 A grizzly?

01:12:51.000 No, a black bear.

01:12:52.000 I told the kids, don't play in the forest.

01:12:54.000 And why not?

01:12:55.000 Like, well, because the bears will eat you.

01:12:56.000 And I was serious.

01:12:57.000 I don't think they believed me, but.

01:12:59.000 Wow, and then they saw a bear?

01:13:00.000 Yeah, it was literally in our backyard.

01:13:02.000 How old were your kids when you moved into Canada?

01:13:05.000 Let's see.

01:13:06.000 My daughter must have been about two, maybe three, and my son was about one.

01:13:11.000 Okay, so they don't really remember the United States.

01:13:14.000 Not much, no.

01:13:14.000 So you brought them to a godforsaken land before they really had any memory of how good they had it?

01:13:18.000 We go back down.

01:13:19.000 We visit relatives and all that.

01:13:20.000 But it's one of those things where I have so many friends all over the U.S. and I'm really attracted to the Bay Area.

01:13:27.000 There's so much of what I do is there.

01:13:28.000 And I'm a tech guy.

01:13:30.000 I've been a tech entrepreneur.

01:13:32.000 And my people are there at the same time with Skype and with the internet and a two-hour direct flight.

01:13:37.000 You can live anywhere you want.

01:13:38.000 You could live in Idaho, Joe.

01:13:39.000 You could still even have your studio here and just come here and do it and fly back.

01:13:43.000 Yeah.

01:13:44.000 Yeah, it's a weird world we live in now.

01:13:46.000 Terrence McKenna was actually pointing this out way back in the 90s when he was living on the big island.

01:13:51.000 He had a direct wireless connection, like a wireless internet connection that was like one megabyte back then, which is a lot.

01:14:00.000 It's huge, right?

01:14:01.000 Yeah, back then it was huge in the 90s.

01:14:04.000 And he had this completely off-the-grid house, including an internet connection.

01:14:09.000 He had this internet connection.

01:14:12.000 He had some solar panels.

01:14:14.000 He had a generator backup.

01:14:15.000 He had rainwater collecting because it rains over there.

01:14:19.000 It's essentially a tropical rainforest, the big island.

01:14:23.000 And so he was collecting rainwater.

01:14:25.000 And he's like, why would you live in an office?

01:14:27.000 I mean, why would you go to an office?

01:14:28.000 Why would you live in a city?

01:14:29.000 Why would you do that when you can be in nature and still communicate with people?

01:14:36.000 One word, girls. 1.00

01:14:38.000 That's true.

01:14:39.000 Like, if you want to meet people of the opposite sex, cities have their usefulness. 1.00

01:14:43.000 So when you're young, I think there's a big attractiveness to the cities.

01:14:47.000 And I've been fortunate to live in big cities and to have that vibe and that energy.

01:14:52.000 Big difference.

01:14:52.000 Yeah, it is a big difference.

01:14:54.000 Yeah, I think when you're like a tiny little baby and like a two-year-old, cities are probably not that good for you.

01:14:59.000 So that's one of the reasons I'm like, all right, you know, I'm going to maintain my connections with all my friends, and I spend a lot of time traveling and all.

01:15:06.000 But at the same time, I know like when I go home, there's trees and everything.

01:15:11.000 Yeah.

01:15:11.000 No, it's a sweet setup.

01:15:13.000 That island is beautiful.

01:15:15.000 And if you can live anywhere where you can get close to nature fairly quickly, it'll be a better place to live.

01:15:21.000 Yeah, the problem is if everyone does that, we're going to have to rethink how we produce our food.

01:15:25.000 We're going to have to distribute food production and we're going to have to make some changes.

01:15:29.000 But things would be kind of cool and we might drive less too because we would just have to work from home.

01:15:34.000 And let's face it, how many people are knowledge workers in the U.S. now versus production workers?

01:15:39.000 There's not that much commuting you have to do for probably 50% of the population.

01:15:39.000 Yeah.

01:15:43.000 The areas of mass population are the weirdest ones.

01:15:48.000 The areas like Los Angeles or New York, those are the weirdest things to try to manage because you see them and you see all these people packed into this area and you just go, there's no way you're going to be able to move around quickly.

01:16:01.000 There's no way you're going to get into midtown Manhattan at 4 o'clock in the afternoon, shoot across town to the other side to meet your friend.

01:16:07.000 You're not going to get there.

01:16:08.000 There's just too many folks. 0.99

01:16:09.000 There's just too many folks and everyone's just jammed into this one fucking tube. 0.99

01:16:15.000 It's just not going to happen. 0.98

01:16:18.000 I don't know how that is ever going to get managed.

01:16:20.000 And it seems like New York City grows in population every year.

01:16:24.000 Los Angeles grows in population every year.

01:16:26.000 I love New York.

01:16:27.000 I love L.A. It's awesome to come and visit.

01:16:31.000 And even San Francisco, I just, having lived in cities like that for a while, I'm kind of getting used to just being outdoors a lot.

01:16:40.000 It's healthier.

01:16:41.000 It's a big difference.

01:16:42.000 And I don't know that I'll stay in a smaller town for a long time, but at least when my kids are young, I think it's good for them.

01:16:47.000 Until you get attacked by a bear.

01:16:49.000 And then you're like, you know what?

01:16:52.000 This ain't good.

01:16:55.000 There's a show that I've been watching on.

01:16:58.000 I think it's on Discovery Channel.

01:16:59.000 It's called Life Below Zero.

01:17:02.000 I haven't seen that. 1.00

01:17:03.000 Oh, these poor fucks. 1.00

01:17:05.000 They're all living in Alaska. 1.00

01:17:06.000 It's so crazy.

01:17:07.000 Are those those remote town people who have to catch enough fish or they starve?

01:17:11.000 There's those.

01:17:12.000 That's Alaska, The Last Frontier.

01:17:14.000 That's one of them.

01:17:15.000 But this is a new one.

01:17:17.000 It's all people that live either above or below the Arctic Circle.

01:17:20.000 And this one guy just has this little cabin and just hunts all day.

01:17:24.000 That's all he does.

01:17:25.000 Goes out, tries to find food, brings it back, kills it, and eats it.

01:17:28.000 And then in the morning, does it all again?

01:17:30.000 And he has no water.

01:17:31.000 He gets his water from a lake.

01:17:33.000 He has to chip into the ice to pull his water out.

01:17:37.000 I mean, it's crazy. 1.00

01:17:39.000 These poor fucking people. 1.00

01:17:40.000 But they all seem to have a good time doing that. 1.00

01:17:44.000 It's hard to tell.

01:17:44.000 It's real weird.

01:17:46.000 Are you guys having a good time because the camera's on you?

01:17:48.000 Are you having a good time because this is actually thrilling and rewarding, a thrilling and rewarding way to live life?

01:17:56.000 I knew a guy like that up in Kenai, Alaska.

01:17:58.000 His name was George.

01:17:59.000 This guy was 84 years old.

01:18:00.000 When I went up, I spent a week fishing with him.

01:18:03.000 He owned this 100-year-old cannery, like right on Cook's Cove, and you had to get there by boat, so it was totally isolated.

01:18:10.000 And once a week, for like a half hour, he would plug this string of duct tape batteries into his mobile phone, and that was his only communication with people.

01:18:17.000 Wow.

01:18:18.000 And this guy had been going up there every year and spending nine months a year for 50 years living by himself up there.

01:18:25.000 And the guy was happy as a clam.

01:18:27.000 Like, he had a pet bald eagle named Grandpa, and he'd like feed it fish scraps.

01:18:30.000 He could call it by name, and it would come.

01:18:31.000 Was there a documentary on this guy?

01:18:33.000 He passed away about five years ago.

01:18:33.000 I don't think so.

01:18:35.000 His name was George?

01:18:36.000 Yeah, George.

01:18:37.000 God, what was his last name?

01:18:38.000 I'd have to look it up somewhere.

01:18:40.000 See, the problem I have with that story is that the guy was by himself.

01:18:44.000 Like, you don't get lonely.

01:18:46.000 He had a wife who passed away 30 years earlier.

01:18:48.000 And he was one of the original Alaska, like, like, original guys who drove to Alaska, like, back in the 1920s or something.

01:18:56.000 And had all these stories and just an amazing dude.

01:19:00.000 But he was really comfortable.

01:19:02.000 Like, he caught fish.

01:19:03.000 He had a big net.

01:19:03.000 That's what he did.

01:19:05.000 And in fact, he had a Rolex.

01:19:07.000 Probably the coolest story ever.

01:19:08.000 I looked at him and I'm like, he's kind of this poor guy.

01:19:10.000 You know, looked like he was 60 and he was 84 and wears this yellow coverall things.

01:19:15.000 And I see this beat up Rolex.

01:19:17.000 And I did a double take.

01:19:18.000 And he laughed.

01:19:18.000 And he goes, oh, yeah.

01:19:19.000 I called the Rolex guy.

01:19:20.000 I told him I wanted a Rolex.

01:19:21.000 So he flew out here in a plane and he stepped out in a three-piece suit into the surf from the float plane and took one look at me wearing my fish guts and all and said, oh, I'm sorry, sir.

01:19:32.000 You're not a Rolex kind of guy.

01:19:34.000 And George looks at me.

01:19:35.000 He goes, Dave, I told him, oh, I just need that watch for work.

01:19:38.000 I already got a dress watch.

01:19:40.000 He wanted a Rolex that was gas charged so it wouldn't fog up so he wouldn't get caught in the tide and drowned.

01:19:44.000 And like the way these people look at the world, it was so cool.

01:19:47.000 Wait a minute.

01:19:48.000 A Rolex guy flew out there.

01:19:50.000 Yeah.

01:19:51.000 And how did he even contact Rolex?

01:19:53.000 You know, he was telling me the story from 25 years before.

01:19:56.000 So really, if you're going to drop 10K on a watch 30 years ago, they're going to fly someone there to sell it to you.

01:20:00.000 So the dude, where did he get the 10K? 0.98

01:20:02.000 From beaver pelts and shit? 0.99

01:20:03.000 No, from selling fish. 0.98

01:20:05.000 Yeah, he had a great year catching king salmon.

01:20:05.000 Selling fish.

01:20:07.000 He had a driftnet across the mouth of a river.

01:20:10.000 So he decided to buy a $10,000 watch?

01:20:12.000 His rationale was it was the only watch on earth that had gas inside it, so it could never fog up.

01:20:18.000 And he's like, if I'm out on the mud flats planting my things and the tide comes in, it comes in really fast and you have sticky mud.

01:20:24.000 So you can freeze to death in like a minute.

01:20:26.000 So he's like, I got to know what time the tide's coming in, so I'll spend any amount on the watch to keep me from dying.

01:20:30.000 And Rolex was the only one on Earth at the time.

01:20:32.000 Wow, that's interesting.

01:20:35.000 Is it still the only one, or can you get Everyone makes watches that don't fog up anymore.

01:20:39.000 I mean, this is going back.

01:20:40.000 This guy's old. 0.99

01:20:41.000 That's fascinating shit. 0.99

01:20:43.000 That's interesting that he knew that, too, that that was the only watch that doesn't fog up like that. 0.99

01:20:47.000 I guess when you live up in places like that, you just learn stuff.

01:20:51.000 It just seems to me that like living on your own for nine months at a time would just drive you insane.

01:20:56.000 Well, he had people who'd come up and visit him.

01:20:57.000 So he'd get like college kids to come up, and he just kind of had like this rotating hunters and all would come.

01:21:02.000 And it was, I mean, rustic.

01:21:04.000 The only water came in from like a little waterfall with a little pipe, and it was heated by like coal that floated up on the shore.

01:21:09.000 It was as remote as I've ever been.

01:21:12.000 And this guy was just like one of the happiest guys I've seen.

01:21:15.000 Wow.

01:21:15.000 Yeah.

01:21:16.000 Yeah.

01:21:16.000 They say people that live in those communities and they're living off the land, they say they're like the happiest people, no mental health issues.

01:21:24.000 That's the way our dumb bodies are designed. 0.99

01:21:27.000 Our dumb bodies are designed to live as our ancestors lived. 1.00

01:21:29.000 And this life that we live now with Wi-Fi connections and all this nuttiness is just too fucking complicated for us. 0.99

01:21:36.000 You know, I asked on Facebook, I said, hey, I'm going to go talk with Joe.

01:21:41.000 What should we talk about?

01:21:42.000 And definitely got some people asking about EMF.

01:21:44.000 So you talk about Wi-Fi.

01:21:45.000 I mean, this is one of those guys who had 10 minutes of Wi-Fi a week, and that was like all he ever got.

01:21:50.000 And, you know, ate a high omega-3, you know, all the salmon he could eat and not much else.

01:21:56.000 And he was also doing cold thermogenesis, right?

01:21:58.000 So he was literally exposing himself to freezing temperatures all the time.

01:22:02.000 And he looked 25 years younger than he was.

01:22:04.000 He was like not a day over 60.

01:22:06.000 And he was 84 years old when I had him.

01:22:07.000 Freezing temperatures are good for you?

01:22:09.000 Yeah.

01:22:10.000 So like living in Colorado would be a good move?

01:22:12.000 It depends if you go outside without a jacket on.

01:22:14.000 So if you went outside without a jacket in Colorado, it's smart.

01:22:17.000 Preserving you.

01:22:17.000 Yeah, pretty much.

01:22:18.000 So I did this experiment about a year and a half ago.

01:22:22.000 And for the first month, you stick your face in ice water and it hurts like hell when you first do it.

01:22:27.000 But you need to do that to program your nervous system to get used to being in cold water.

01:22:31.000 And it turns off inflammation throughout your body.

01:22:33.000 And after you've done this for about a month, you can put ice packs on your body.

01:22:37.000 And then this drives you to lose fat.

01:22:40.000 It makes you make more brown fat, less white fat. 1.00

01:22:42.000 And inflammation really turns down in like kind of a stupid way. 0.98

01:22:45.000 You feel really like supercharged and you get lean. 0.99

01:22:48.000 Tim Ferriss wrote about just like putting ice packs on your back.

01:22:51.000 But you can take it further.

01:22:53.000 So I was sitting in a tub of ice water, like up to my neck, and it feels like you're going to die for about three minutes.

01:23:00.000 And then all of a sudden your whole body like gives up and you just like get all these endorphins and you just feel like amazing and relaxed.

01:23:06.000 And right when you're about to start shivering, you get out and you just burn massive calories and like you look better the next morning.

01:23:12.000 Like you're more lean.

01:23:14.000 And so I did that on a really regular basis for quite a while, but I'm on the road so much that it's just, it's hard to do.

01:23:19.000 And I fell asleep with ice packs on me in a hotel room once and that didn't end well.

01:23:23.000 I ended up getting like first-degree ice burns over 15% of my body.

01:23:27.000 I don't recommend that.

01:23:28.000 Yeah, there's a lot of cold therapy that athletes are using now to help recovery.

01:23:32.000 There's things they step into for a very brief amount of time.

01:23:35.000 It's incredibly cold.

01:23:36.000 I can't wait to try that.

01:23:37.000 It turns out that we've done the science and the faster you can make the skin cold, the better the anti-inflammatory response.

01:23:45.000 So they have like liquid nitrogen and they like blast you with it for just a very short period of time and the skin starts making the anti-inflammatory things and you get the response you're looking for, but it doesn't take much time and you don't like freeze your ass off like you do when I'm sitting in that tub of ice water, just dropping my body temperature until my skin is like 45 degrees and you get out.

01:24:04.000 And so when you do that, like if you do an ice bath after hard training, a lot of MMA fighters love to do that.

01:24:09.000 What's the physiological response?

01:24:12.000 What happens when you jump into that freezing cold water?

01:24:15.000 What's the benefit of that?

01:24:16.000 You turn down the cytokine response.

01:24:18.000 There's all these different cytokines that are tied to inflammation in the body.

01:24:22.000 And when you do that, it uses what's probably an evolutionary pathway for survival in people.

01:24:28.000 I don't think we're certain why it works.

01:24:29.000 That's one Hypothesis about it, but when you do that, it just turns off inflammation.

01:24:34.000 So, if you had a really heavy workout or hard fight and you do that, it stops the inflammation.

01:24:38.000 And, like you said earlier in our talk today, inflammation is at the root of most chronic diseases, and that's why you target inflammation every which way you can.

01:24:48.000 And cold therapy, if you've got the time to do it, is a very legitimate thing to do.

01:24:53.000 The problem is that fast cold therapy thing, I just checked, they're like $60,000.

01:24:58.000 It's like more than a really high-end float tank.

01:24:59.000 So, if you want to outfit your house with all the badass biohacking stuff, you're going to be throwing out some coin. 0.98

01:25:05.000 $60,000.

01:25:06.000 I couldn't afford that. 1.00

01:25:07.000 Holy shit. 0.99

01:25:08.000 What does it do? 0.99

01:25:09.000 Is it just a super freezer?

01:25:11.000 It's pretty much like flashy with liquid nitrogen.

01:25:13.000 It's not liquid, it's gas, but it's super chilled air, like really cold.

01:25:16.000 Cold enough that if you stayed in it for a minute or two, however long is too long, it would give you frostbite.

01:25:22.000 So you want to tell your body, frostbite is coming, and it causes physiological change, but then you don't let the frostbite come, so then you don't get the damage that would come from being too cold.

01:25:22.000 Wow.

01:25:32.000 Wow.

01:25:33.000 That's fascinating.

01:25:35.000 Is it better than lying in an ice bath?

01:25:38.000 I don't know that I have an answer for that.

01:25:40.000 There's deep tissue temperature receptors, and then there's peripheral ones right on the skin.

01:25:45.000 So whether there's an advantage from just getting the skin ones or the ones like further down, I've never seen the research.

01:25:52.000 Someone might know.

01:25:53.000 I just chatted with Jack Cruz, who's one of the neurosurgeons who's done a lot of work on this, including like surgery without anesthetics afterwards, without painkillers, using just ice, and all this crazy stuff, including like massive weight loss with ice.

01:26:06.000 Wow.

01:26:07.000 So there's definitely guys who know about that, but in all the research I've seen and all the people I've talked to, I've never seen a comparison of the two techniques other than one is faster and it costs more, but it takes less time.

01:26:18.000 It's very confusing for athletes when you hear all the different schools of thought when it comes to healing.

01:26:23.000 I mean, I've actually heard people say you should never ice things because then, you know, the body's natural healing is retarded by the ice. 0.99

01:26:32.000 And then when your body's swelling up and heating up, it's because your body's trying to fix whatever issue it has.

01:26:39.000 I don't buy that because I've heard all the arguments against that.

01:26:42.000 But I'm fascinated by the fact that there's people who are quote-unquote experts or so-called experts who will tell you that.

01:26:49.000 And there's other people that will tell you the total opposite of that.

01:26:52.000 That's why being a human guinea pig and this whole quantified self thing really matters.

01:26:57.000 There's a lot of stuff that makes a lot of sense on its face.

01:26:59.000 And you look at it and go, oh, it must make sense.

01:27:01.000 Therefore, it is.

01:27:02.000 And like the whole thing about eat less calories and work out more, and you'll lose weight in a safe way and keep it off.

01:27:09.000 Well, it makes sense.

01:27:10.000 It just doesn't work. 0.95

01:27:11.000 And if you try it and you lose 25 pounds and gain 30 and lose 30 pounds and gain 40 and you do that over and over until you're a fat ass, at one point you're going to figure out that that is not a way to be healthy and thin and strong and to feel good. 1.00

01:27:24.000 But the problem is not that people are idiots. 1.00

01:27:26.000 It's that the assumption made a lot of sense. 1.00

01:27:28.000 So then it becomes dogma.

01:27:30.000 And instead of looking at the data, we look at what should work.

01:27:32.000 And then if it didn't work, it's because we didn't do it right or we didn't try hard enough.

01:27:36.000 And that little trap gets us on all kinds of things that seem like a good idea on their face.

01:27:40.000 I'd even say like the whole vegan approach.

01:27:43.000 It sounds like a good idea to be a raw vegan because you get enzymes and you get all these other things.

01:27:48.000 But I know a lot of people who got really sick, including me, from being a raw vegan, because of the anti-nutrients that were in the raw vegetables we were eating.

01:27:55.000 We didn't inactivate the vegetable defense systems.

01:27:58.000 So it's great to have a hypothesis and to test it.

01:28:01.000 But if you don't get the data, you don't look at how you're doing and see if it worked, then if you're a pro-athlete or not, especially then you should be getting the numbers.

01:28:10.000 Yeah, it's one of the more fascinating aspects of professional athletics, even if you're not into watching sports, is the leaps and bounds they're making as far as recovery and nutrition and finding out what helps the body perform in a certain way.

01:28:26.000 And by doing that, you know, it's sort of just like the trickle-down that you get from cars, car companies investing in race cars.

01:28:34.000 And then, you know, they develop better brakes for commercial vehicles, for commercial cars, for pedestrian or rather civilian cars, as opposed to the professional race car driver cars.

01:28:46.000 But those really high-level engineered cars, whether it's BMW or Porsche, all that stuff trickles down to the regular cars that consumers buy.

01:28:55.000 I kind of liked it when you had Victor Conte on, because when I look at the pro athletes who are cheating, I want to know what they're doing.

01:29:02.000 I'd rather that they weren't cheating.

01:29:04.000 I'd rather that they were free to tell people the techniques they were doing because it seems like the techniques that we're using at the very edges of human performance, whether it's military or pro-athletes, that those should be trickling through into the medical profession.

01:29:17.000 And we have a break there where a lot of times what they're doing is kind of like hidden or it's not talked about.

01:29:22.000 But rapid recovery for a pro-athlete ought to be able to make my grandmother heal better too. 1.00

01:29:27.000 And I feel like she isn't benefiting.

01:29:29.000 And injuries, you know, injuries that athletes get, regular people get injuries too.

01:29:29.000 Absolutely.

01:29:33.000 And the leaps and bounds they've made in recognizing what benefits recovery, what doesn't, diet that benefits recovery, what nutrients you need, how important is protein, how important is this, what vitamins are good for you?

01:29:50.000 A lot of that is coming from that science of performance athletics because they're just looking for these tiny, tiny edges everywhere.

01:29:57.000 And these benefits are so small.

01:30:01.000 What you can get out of taking quartercepse mushroom or what you can get out of B12.

01:30:06.000 It's not going to make the difference between a guy like you or a guy like Usain Bolt.

01:30:10.000 You're never going to catch that dude.

01:30:12.000 It's not going to happen.

01:30:13.000 But it's going to be two Usain Bolts and one of them just wants to get a tenth of a second faster.

01:30:18.000 And in those small increments, that's where we learn so much about the human body.

01:30:23.000 You know where else is fascinating for me is World Championship poker.

01:30:27.000 Because those guys, it's all about focus and awareness, right?

01:30:30.000 You got to pay attention to all the other guys at the table, all their tells, all their things.

01:30:34.000 You got to think strategy, and you got to just grind it out.

01:30:36.000 It's like a marathon for your brain.

01:30:38.000 It's like they're going for 12 and 14 hours.

01:30:41.000 And I just literally got a text message before this, but JC Tran, who's in the World Poker Championships, I think actually happening right after this, he's totally on Bulletproof Coffee.

01:30:53.000 And so is one of the other guys.

01:30:54.000 But JC's actually, I just literally found out he's going to be wearing a bulletproof patch, and I'm grateful For that, because it wasn't planned.

01:31:02.000 I was going to do it.

01:31:03.000 Every time he said bulletproof, make a bell noise.

01:31:05.000 That was the wrong one.

01:31:06.000 Yeah, doorbell.

01:31:08.000 Open the door for bulletproof.

01:31:09.000 But it's one of those things where I look at those guys, and I've actually done brain training with Nam Lei, who's another one of these guys.

01:31:17.000 And they're some of the most dedicated cognitive athletes of anyone I can find.

01:31:21.000 Like, you have students and all, but that's not the same thing.

01:31:24.000 Like, where do you go to get the pro-athlete perspective on performance improvement, but to get it for people who want to pay attention all the time and think about stuff all the time?

01:31:33.000 And I don't know.

01:31:34.000 Is there a better place you can think of than pro-poker?

01:31:37.000 No, I think those guys are probably, if you want, someone whose job relies on being clever and thinking many levels, pro-chess would be the only other people.

01:31:46.000 I got to find some chess.

01:31:48.000 What studies have ever been done, or have there been any done, that has anybody, even in personal studies, with bulletproof coffee and cognition or anything along those lines?

01:32:00.000 So there's a study, and I think my guys are probably ready to put up the summary graph from it, where we recruited 54 people.

01:32:08.000 We got an institutional review board approval for the study, like basically from the powers that be that say you're allowed to experiment on humans.

01:32:17.000 And we had them go through a period of drinking basically mass market coffee from the corner coffee shop versus drinking upgraded coffee, just black coffee versus black coffee.

01:32:28.000 And they did a battery of cognitive tests straight from like psychology research.

01:32:32.000 And they did the battery twice a day.

01:32:34.000 And they did this whole thing for six weeks.

01:32:37.000 And on, I want to make sure I have my data right.

01:32:40.000 It's either seven of nine or five of seven.

01:32:42.000 I don't have it memorized.

01:32:44.000 Of the things we measured, there was a very substantial difference between the bulletproof coffee versus non-bulletproof.

01:32:52.000 And this wasn't testing it with the upgraded MCT or even better yet, the brain octane stuff.

01:32:57.000 This was just black coffee versus black coffee, then coffee with butter versus coffee with butter.

01:33:02.000 And it was interesting, butter actually had a negative response on one of the five, one of the seven, I guess, measures of cognitive function that we were looking at.

01:33:10.000 So this is a, it's pretty darn legitimate for like a small company.

01:33:14.000 Like we funded this ourselves, and it wasn't, it's not a perfect study, but it doesn't look like there's a placebo effect because butter was supposed to be positive, but it was pretty much neutral with one negative.

01:33:24.000 So we're going to be putting this stuff up, but there's like more of the write-up that has to happen in order for it to be like an accepted paper and all that.

01:33:31.000 Now, as far as the negative impacts, you attribute the negative impacts of these other people drinking other coffee.

01:33:37.000 You attribute that to mycotoxins?

01:33:40.000 It's not just mold toxins.

01:33:42.000 Toxins from mold are a major, major contributing factor, and I damn well know that.

01:33:47.000 And there's a reason that in this little test we did, we found people had a difference there.

01:33:54.000 I'm particularly sensitive.

01:33:55.000 I've got the lab tests that show it.

01:33:57.000 And so I'm a canary for this.

01:33:59.000 And I know very well when coffee has it because I feel like a zombie.

01:34:03.000 And 28% of the population has the same genes I do that make them more susceptible to mold.

01:34:08.000 It's in the HLA part of your genetic code.

01:34:10.000 And it's how you respond to clotting and how you respond to infection.

01:34:15.000 So I have like a hyperactive immune response, which protects me.

01:34:19.000 If I was like a rogue invader in Europe, I'm well designed to get cut by a sword, shot by an arrow, and then go invade your town and not get sick.

01:34:26.000 The problem is if I'm like breathing toxic mold all the time or drinking it in my coffee, it's a chronic low-level exposure, but my body thinks I'm being attacked.

01:34:33.000 So I tend to clot too much.

01:34:35.000 I get sticky blood and I get chronic inflammation that won't turn off.

01:34:39.000 And that's one of the reasons that I'm sensitive to these things and I can feel them.

01:34:43.000 And then I went out and I did the work to quantify it.

01:34:45.000 So mold toxins are one of them, but there's hundreds of mold toxins.

01:34:49.000 So I went through and I identified which ones are causing this problem the most and I test for those.

01:34:54.000 And I talk about ocratoxin, I talk about aflatoxin, like the main ones, but there's other ones that are in some strains of coffee that aren't in others.

01:35:01.000 And then there's other things called biogenic amines.

01:35:03.000 And I look at those as well.

01:35:04.000 So when you quantify all that stuff, when you get the numbers right and get them far lower than even the European standards, you end up with some interesting effects from the coffee that just don't come out because most coffee has some good and some bad in it.

01:35:17.000 So like this is, A, I wanted to drink coffee.

01:35:20.000 I gave up coffee for five years because it was messing with my head.

01:35:22.000 So this was my own self-interest.

01:35:24.000 It's a legitimate scientific exploration on my part, partly because I wanted to drink good coffee, but also because like this is what I do.

01:35:32.000 Like this fascinates me and interests me.

01:35:34.000 And I did not expect the effects to be this big, especially on other people, but they're real.

01:35:37.000 And that study and what people say, I'm very sure of it.

01:35:41.000 It does make sense if there are toxins on coffee and those toxins are bad for you, that that would have a negative impact on cognitive function.

01:35:49.000 It totally makes sense.

01:35:50.000 But my question is, what are you doing different? 0.95

01:35:54.000 Like when you say the bulletproof method, what the fuck does that mean, man?

01:35:58.000 The problem is, like, you've got to tell people what you do that makes sense so that they understand how you can actually remove toxins. 0.68

01:36:06.000 Because the one piece of criticism that I hear all the time is like, how do you know that your coffee doesn't have mycotoxins in it and what is the method for preventing it?

01:36:17.000 So how I know is I send it through a medical, not medical, we'll call it an analytical laboratory.

01:36:24.000 You could do medical stuff with it.

01:36:26.000 But I have a set of internal standards that make it bulletproof or not.

01:36:30.000 If it doesn't meet the requirements, it's not coffee that I'm going to be putting in a bag and calling bulletproof.

01:36:36.000 But to get it to that point, that's the proof point.

01:36:39.000 Then you go back and you look at every step of coffee production.

01:36:42.000 And I'm not going to be telling the world how to make bulletproof coffee.

01:36:47.000 I spent a lot of time working on how to do this.

01:36:50.000 But what I do is I look at what are the sources for these toxins?

01:36:52.000 Why do they form?

01:36:53.000 How do they form?

01:36:54.000 And what's happening is there's old world, like they call it second wave coffee, like the original kind of Starbucks and Pete's coffee and these kind of, even before them, the Folgers and just the normal coffee companies that have been selling coffee for a long time.

01:37:09.000 They typically look at economics and then we started looking at flavor with the Starbucks.

01:37:14.000 And you have third wave coffee guys who I greatly respect as coffee artisans.

01:37:18.000 And these are like the modern, cool coffee shops where they roast their own beans.

01:37:22.000 And, you know, it was carefully selected by this.

01:37:24.000 And what the first round of people did is they said, how do I make coffee cheap and widely available and good enough To make a profit.

01:37:32.000 So that was an economic thing.

01:37:33.000 The second guy said, How do I make really flavorful coffee?

01:37:36.000 It was a taste thing.

01:37:37.000 And I came along and I said, How do I make coffee that makes me feel good all the time?

01:37:41.000 And I'm willing to sacrifice taste and I'm willing to sacrifice economics.

01:37:44.000 So I just had a different lens when I was looking at coffee because of my own personal wiring.

01:37:50.000 And in order to do that, I dug in on the agricultural side, is what happens there on the transport side.

01:37:56.000 And there's a whole decision tree about what you can do in order to get coffee to be bulletproof.

01:38:00.000 And it also depends on what part of the world you're dealing with, right?

01:38:05.000 So I've oftentimes recommended Central American coffee.

01:38:08.000 There's a little problem, though.

01:38:09.000 70% of next year's coffee crop in Central America will probably be lost to coffee rust, which is a type of fungus.

01:38:16.000 And this fungus is going to completely decimate this.

01:38:20.000 And this kind of fungus called rust actually killed some South American things and Indonesian coffee for many years historically.

01:38:27.000 So it basically kills the plants.

01:38:30.000 It eats the leaves so they can't produce any coffee.

01:38:33.000 And some of the coffee analysts I've talked to are calling it like, you know, a bloodbath in Central America in terms of coffee.

01:38:40.000 You do a search for coffee rust, you'll see it.

01:38:42.000 And no one's sure how it got there.

01:38:44.000 But the Arabica plants that we rely on to make good coffee are particularly susceptible.

01:38:49.000 And shade-grown coffee doesn't get it because it has a protective fungal biome in the soil, which is something I look for, by the way.

01:38:56.000 So when you have a fungus that protects coffee from rust, it's likely to survive.

01:39:01.000 But when you go out to, say, sun-grown coffee, which we do to increase production, there isn't this other fungus in the soil, so then the rust can just run rampant.

01:39:11.000 So when we clear the forest, when we plant coffee in an industrial way, it increases the odds of bad fungus moving in.

01:39:17.000 And then there's a whole part of processing the coffee, where there's different techniques and different tweaks you can make in the coffee processing in order to influence the cost, the amount of time, the amount of materials required to process the coffee.

01:39:29.000 And I looked at that and said, I'm not trying to save money, and I'm not trying to create the world's most flavorful coffee possible.

01:39:35.000 I'm trying to create high-performance coffee.

01:39:37.000 And it turns out it tastes pretty darn good.

01:39:39.000 I've had Cup of Excellence winning coffee, which is so phenomenally delicious.

01:39:43.000 It has mold toxins in it.

01:39:45.000 I know very well because I'm a mold detector for it, and I get all the symptoms I get when I have molds, when I drink that.

01:39:50.000 I'm like, wow, it was still worth it because it was such good coffee.

01:39:54.000 But I don't want to drink that for breakfast every morning because it slows me down.

01:39:57.000 It messes me up.

01:39:58.000 And there's enough people who are very sensitive to it that it's transformative.

01:40:02.000 And there's a bunch of other people who don't really feel a giant difference, but you can measure it on a cognitive function test.

01:40:08.000 Are you going to release any studies on other people's coffee?

01:40:10.000 Are you going to release any like- Is it expensive to test for it?

01:40:14.000 Hold on a second.

01:40:15.000 Original question, please.

01:40:16.000 Yeah.

01:40:17.000 I mean, when you're talking about these coffees, like this has mycotoxins.

01:40:22.000 It has 25% of this.

01:40:25.000 So right now, let's take Starbucks.

01:40:27.000 And not to pick on Starbucks.

01:40:28.000 They're just a big coffee company whose numbers I know.

01:40:30.000 They have $816 million worth of coffee in inventory right now.

01:40:35.000 So in order to get an adequate sample size for $816 million worth of coffee, I am a very small company, and I spend tens of thousands of dollars on quantifying the coffee in order to get the bulletproof process where it is.

01:40:49.000 And I regularly test my own coffee.

01:40:52.000 So I don't know how I could possibly get a reliable sample, especially not knowing the back-end processing.

01:40:58.000 What I'd like to see is I'd like to see U.S. regulatory authorities adopt European standards for coffee.

01:41:02.000 That'd be a great first step.

01:41:04.000 But bulletproof coffee is popular in Europe as well because those aren't the only standards we can do.

01:41:10.000 So if that's the case, where are you getting your numbers from as far as other people's coffee?

01:41:15.000 There's about six different studies I've referenced at different times, and I don't have references in front of me on those things.

01:41:22.000 But one of the studies says around 92.3% of South American coffee had toxic mold spores in it.

01:41:30.000 And when you look at another one, it says 60%.

01:41:32.000 There's different studies.

01:41:34.000 Most of them say at least 50% of okratoxin makes it through the brew.

01:41:38.000 And I've also talked with some of like the top back-end coffee procuring experts.

01:41:42.000 They know about mold toxins in coffee.

01:41:45.000 And the coffee artisanal companies will stand up and say, our coffee is mold-free, but they don't measure it.

01:41:50.000 They don't even know which ones to measure or where to measure them.

01:41:52.000 That's insane.

01:41:53.000 Yeah, so it was a lot of work.

01:41:55.000 It took a long time to do it.

01:41:58.000 How'd you get on this track?

01:42:00.000 My first thing I ever sold as an entrepreneur was I worked at Baskin-Robbins.

01:42:04.000 I was scooping ice cream to pay for my studies at University of California.

01:42:08.000 They raised my tuition 1,500%.

01:42:11.000 What?

01:42:12.000 Oh, yeah.

01:42:12.000 And while I was at school there, this was like back in 1990.

01:42:15.000 I couldn't afford to go to school.

01:42:16.000 1,500%?

01:42:17.000 Yeah, no joke. 0.96

01:42:18.000 They were building a new university center, so they just levied the crap out of students. 0.52

01:42:22.000 I didn't have enough money.

01:42:23.000 So I started a company.

01:42:24.000 I sold caffeine t-shirts, said caffeine, my drug of choice.

01:42:26.000 I was like 19 years old.

01:42:27.000 And I sold them to 12 countries over the internet.

01:42:30.000 And that was like, you know, ended up getting me an entrepreneur magazine.

01:42:33.000 So I've been a coffee guy since I was a kid.

01:42:35.000 I had to give up coffee for five years because I would drink it and I would get like a headache and I would get sore joints and I would just feel like, I'd drink it and I'd feel great and I'd crash and I'd feel like crap.

01:42:44.000 And what happened is I was getting autoimmune things because the toxic molds that grow in coffee cross-react with gluten.

01:42:50.000 That's a big problem because I'm gluten sensitive.

01:42:52.000 So what happened is I just gave up coffee and it made me sad.

01:42:55.000 And then I would drink a cup of coffee and I'd feel great.

01:42:57.000 And the next day I'd drink another cup of coffee and I'd feel like a zombie.

01:43:00.000 I'm like, what changed?

01:43:01.000 And finally I realized it wasn't me.

01:43:03.000 It was the coffee.

01:43:04.000 And I started doing my research and I started digging in.

01:43:07.000 So call it enlightened self-interest, but like there's no BS marketing here.

01:43:11.000 Like this is me intentionally creating coffee that I could drink every morning and putting it out there saying, do other people have this?

01:43:17.000 And the results were bigger than I thought they'd be.

01:43:20.000 I definitely notice a difference when I have your stuff or whether if I go to Starbucks.

01:43:24.000 Like sometimes Starbucks is fine.

01:43:26.000 It's true.

01:43:27.000 It's very fun.

01:43:29.000 And I'm not ultra sensitive to it, but there's a difference between the way I feel when I drink bulletproof coffee and the way I feel when I drink regular coffee.

01:43:36.000 But what other coffees are okay to drink?

01:43:39.000 Like how do you know what's okay to drink and what's not okay to drink?

01:43:42.000 You can get better odds by going to any coffee shop where there's lots of guys or girls with tattoos, piercings, and mohawks, right?

01:43:52.000 Why is that?

01:43:53.000 Well, because people who are coffee people, and I count myself very enthusiastically amongst them, they're people who Are obsessive about it.

01:44:01.000 And if you go to a coffee shop like that, they're paying more attention to sourcing.

01:44:05.000 So you reduce the odds.

01:44:07.000 Now, I would very happily have just gone to the local, and you know, in the Bay Area, you can get lots of artisanal coffee shops.

01:44:15.000 You go to New York, you go to any big city.

01:44:18.000 There's a hundred guys competing to say, you know, my roaster is the shiniest and my beans come from Juan Valdez's great-grandson and all this stuff, right?

01:44:26.000 The problem is that the reliability isn't there.

01:44:28.000 And like, I'm not going to name names because it's a community.

01:44:32.000 I've been to some of the coolest, most amazing coffee shops in big cities, and I've come out of there drinking single estate, Central American, and it is not clean coffee.

01:44:42.000 It is wonderful tasting.

01:44:44.000 It is a work of art, but it doesn't cause the human performance I'm looking for.

01:44:47.000 And I know very well that it has molten toxins in it.

01:44:49.000 And I know that if I took it out and I quantified it, that I could show the difference.

01:44:52.000 You should do that.

01:44:53.000 You should go to places and just buy a cup of coffee at Pete's, buy a cup of coffee at whatever, and just test them.

01:45:00.000 Just four bucks in every state.

01:45:02.000 How much would it cost to do each individual test?

01:45:05.000 Even like a, I looked at like doing a sample size that would be useful for that.

01:45:12.000 We're talking like a quarter million dollars.

01:45:14.000 No, no, no, but I'm saying how much would it cost to test an individual cup of coffee?

01:45:21.000 It depends on which of there's different bulletproof panels I run, but it could cost in the neighborhood.

01:45:27.000 If I was to do like a full intensive analysis, it could cost around $5,000.

01:45:30.000 $5,000 for a cup of coffee.

01:45:32.000 Only for one.

01:45:32.000 Wow.

01:45:33.000 So if you wanted to test four different companies, it would cost you $20,000.

01:45:36.000 And that's not four different companies.

01:45:37.000 That's four different samples.

01:45:38.000 Four different cups.

01:45:40.000 Right.

01:45:40.000 So let's say you have a bag, a 100-pound bag of coffee that wasn't wrapped properly like mostly.

01:45:45.000 Would you test as a coffee or would you toss as a coffee?

01:45:48.000 You would test the beans.

01:45:49.000 What about the coffee itself?

01:45:50.000 Can you get a result from that?

01:45:52.000 It would be I'd have to do some work on understanding how you preserve a coffee sample to send it into an analytical lab so you don't get like a breakdown over time.

01:46:02.000 Even one hour after you brew coffee, it changes chemically quite a lot.

01:46:06.000 So I have no idea what the breakdown of mold toxins is over time in post-brewed coffee.

01:46:12.000 We have good data about whether brewing takes out the toxins.

01:46:16.000 And there's one study that says it takes out most of it, but all of the other studies say at least half, and some say upwards of about 80% remain.

01:46:24.000 And it's pretty well known that ocratoxin is a heat-stable toxin.

01:46:27.000 And that's just one of the ones we're testing.

01:46:29.000 Now, has anybody at any of these large chains, we don't want to mention any names, has anybody contacted you?

01:46:35.000 Has anybody said, hey, we're interested in what you figured out, and we would like to apply that method to our beans or whatever?

01:46:44.000 Has anybody done that?

01:46:47.000 I haven't had a formal inquiry, but there are spies amongst us?

01:46:51.000 There are the gods of coffee, like people who are the power brokers behind the whole coffee industry.

01:46:57.000 And keep in mind, it's like the fourth largest commodity industry on Earth.

01:47:00.000 So what I'm doing is kind of disruptive because I'm sort of saying, guys, we can do better.

01:47:06.000 Because you've been doing mostly economics with a tiny bit of people who care a lot about flavor and all that.

01:47:12.000 But that's actually what about human health and human performance?

01:47:16.000 So I'm having some very interesting conversations along that front.

01:47:20.000 And I would love to see a way to get plantations bulletproof.

01:47:24.000 Dude, you're going to wind up like that dude who made the water car.

01:47:27.000 The car that runs on water.

01:47:29.000 They're going to ice you.

01:47:31.000 They're going to ice you.

01:47:32.000 If they do it, I hope it's like iced espresso.

01:47:34.000 They drown me. 1.00

01:47:35.000 Sweep that shit under the rug so quickly. 1.00

01:47:37.000 No, it's one of the things I so respect the guys who have done innovative brewing techniques. 1.00

01:47:43.000 Oh, now you're fucking the deck. 0.97

01:47:45.000 I see what you're doing. 1.00

01:47:46.000 I see what you're doing.

01:47:46.000 Good move.

01:47:47.000 I'm all over the coach. 1.00

01:47:48.000 At this point in time, you should really start kissing a little coffee ass. 0.99

01:47:51.000 I'm all over the coffee culture. 1.00

01:47:53.000 I thought about piercing myself just so I could fit in better.

01:47:56.000 But I mean, seriously, Joe, I go to high-end coffee shops and I marvel at the cool stuff they're creating and the cool vibe and the community and the culture.

01:48:04.000 And I'm not trying to dump on that stuff.

01:48:05.000 I'm just saying that if I want to feel at my very best, I literally...

01:48:14.000 I understand that.

01:48:15.000 What I was asking, though, is that if I was a guy who ran X company, some gigantic coffee thing, I must know about you by now.

01:48:25.000 There's no way they could not.

01:48:27.000 There is a denial there where they say, yeah, that's all BS.

01:48:32.000 But when I talk to some of the guys who have been working with coffee for 25 and 30 years, they will tell me flat out, yeah, we know about this problem.

01:48:42.000 Well, wasn't that on that show, Dangerous Grounds?

01:48:45.000 Wasn't that something that they covered?

01:48:46.000 Was there a show?

01:48:47.000 The book, I guess.

01:48:48.000 There's a television show on the travel channel about coffee.

01:48:51.000 I haven't seen that one.

01:48:52.000 I was thinking Uncommon Grounds, which is the most phenomenal coffee book ever.

01:48:55.000 That book is worth reading.

01:48:56.000 Oh, yeah?

01:48:56.000 Yeah, it's a coffee book.

01:48:58.000 Yeah, it's about the history of coffee.

01:49:00.000 Yeah, it's a coffee table book.

01:49:03.000 It's not, at least I have it on my Kindle, so I can't tell you if it's picturesque or not.

01:49:08.000 But it's the whole history of the coffee business going all the way back.

01:49:11.000 And coffee has fueled South American dictators and Central American genocide.

01:49:17.000 It has changed the shape of economics and food marketing.

01:49:21.000 It's an amazing thing to read and understand.

01:49:24.000 And you can sort of see how the use of coffee has changed, but people don't know.

01:49:29.000 The Revolutionary War and the Civil War were totally coffee powered and they were a strategic asset.

01:49:33.000 And the reason that your parents drink watery coffee is because there was a spike in coffee pricing.

01:49:39.000 So the coffee marketing companies, the really big ones like Chase and Sanborn, they got together and they're like, let's convince people to use less coffee per cup and tell them it's the same so we can still charge more for less coffee.

01:49:49.000 That's why you have three quarters of a pound of beans in a bag.

01:49:51.000 That's the standard size.

01:49:53.000 The big mass marketing companies did this 30 years ago, and that's why it's three quarters of a pound.

01:49:58.000 That's fascinating.

01:50:00.000 Now, do you think that the transition during the Boston Tea Party thing, transition from tea to coffee, had anything to do with the way the direction this country went? 0.99

01:50:10.000 Why there's so many fucking psychos here? 0.99

01:50:13.000 I think so. 1.00

01:50:14.000 Totally makes sense. 1.00

01:50:15.000 They get hooked up on this fucking wild jet fuel. 0.99

01:50:18.000 They've been sipping tea with pinkies up for their entire lives over in Mother England. 1.00

01:50:22.000 And then they come over here and they're gangster anyway, just for even making the journey.

01:50:27.000 It's a crazy move.

01:50:29.000 You could argue That, but the Enlightenment in Europe was all about coffee.

01:50:33.000 These people met and did all this, like, like the creation of science.

01:50:37.000 They were doing it at coffee houses drinking coffee, and the government was trying to shut down coffee houses, and they did it a few times because all the basically revolutionaries were gathering in coffee houses.

01:50:45.000 So then they come over here, they start drinking even more coffee, which they did in early America, quite a lot of coffee.

01:50:50.000 And then, what do you know?

01:50:51.000 They throw a revolution.

01:50:53.000 Totally makes sense.

01:50:54.000 Everybody gets all excited when they drink coffee.

01:50:56.000 It makes me feel like a revolutionary.

01:50:57.000 I remember working, like doing construction. 0.92

01:51:00.000 I fucking hated my job, but I would drink coffee and I'd actually start enjoying it a little bit. 0.96

01:51:05.000 Want to knock some nails in, just gives you a little endorphin rush. 0.99

01:51:09.000 That was Dunkin' Donuts coffee.

01:51:10.000 That's probably all mycotoxins.

01:51:12.000 You know, probably not all, to be perfectly honest.

01:51:15.000 You may go there and you may get a cup that's perfectly clean.

01:51:17.000 Just the odds are really low.

01:51:19.000 If you had a guess, you're probably just guessing, right?

01:51:19.000 What are the odds?

01:51:22.000 I am very much guessing here.

01:51:24.000 If you were to go to any of the mass market coffee companies, I mean, they're blending coffee from all over the place in ginormous amounts of it.

01:51:32.000 Your odds of getting something that's super clean are like 5% or 10%, if even that.

01:51:38.000 Wow.

01:51:39.000 When you think about it, you get coffee from all these different places.

01:51:41.000 It's all mixed in giant runs and all.

01:51:44.000 And then they measure whatever the legal requirements are here and then their own internal things.

01:51:49.000 But it's going to be like, how do you get it to the highest acceptable level versus the cleanest possible level?

01:51:55.000 It's a different study. 0.99

01:51:56.000 What are the studies that have been done on this shit? 1.00

01:51:58.000 On mold toxins? 1.00

01:52:00.000 Someone can find mold toxins and coffee.

01:52:02.000 Just Google Mycotoxin coffee and you'll see like, I mean, there's a lot of them out there.

01:52:08.000 Who's done them?

01:52:10.000 Agricultural commodities people, agricultural universities around the world.

01:52:14.000 There's some in Italy.

01:52:15.000 There's some in Argentina.

01:52:16.000 Bulletproof.exec.com first article.

01:52:19.000 I do link to a watch.

01:52:20.000 Why bad coffee makes you weak?

01:52:22.000 How to choose mycotoxin-free coffee on natural news.

01:52:26.000 Yeah, that one looks exactly like my article, almost exactly. 1.00

01:52:30.000 Oh, did they fuck you? 1.00

01:52:31.000 No, they didn't fuck me. 1.00

01:52:31.000 They just copied me. 1.00

01:52:32.000 Did they really?

01:52:33.000 Of course.

01:52:34.000 Drink coffee that has been made via wet processing because mycotoxins often form during the drying process.

01:52:39.000 Wet beans are much less likely to contain in than dry beans.

01:52:42.000 Is that true?

01:52:43.000 That is very true.

01:52:44.000 Do not drink decaffeinated coffee.

01:52:46.000 Caffeine actually protects coffee beans from the growth of mold.

01:52:49.000 Caffeine's a protective agent.

01:52:51.000 And this is really cool because the whole focus on avoiding anti-nutrients, all plants don't want to get eaten by animals.

01:53:00.000 The only plants that want to get eaten are the ones where you're supposed to poop the seeds out to fertilize them.

01:53:04.000 The rest of plants protect themselves.

01:53:06.000 So coffee doesn't want to get mold growing on it.

01:53:09.000 So caffeine is an antifungal agent that the coffee bean itself uses to keep molds from eating it because there's so much pressure to eat it.

01:53:17.000 There's also these other things called diterpenes that are in coffee, like cafestrol and cowhol.

01:53:21.000 And those are there for the same thing.

01:53:23.000 And those different things have other effects on the human body.

01:53:27.000 So positive effects, in fact, if you look at the effects of phenol on health, well, these diterpenes are phenols. 0.99

01:53:34.000 There's a lot of polyphenols in coffee, more so than in chocolate, more than in red wine.

01:53:39.000 So when you look at all these, those are there to protect the plant from fungal, biological, insect, and animal predators.

01:53:47.000 It just so happens that that one toxin that's made, that protects the bean from mold, caffeine, it has a positive effect on us.

01:53:54.000 So we really seek it out.

01:53:56.000 But if you take it out of the coffee, then the coffee has less protection than it should.

01:54:01.000 And here's the problem with decaf.

01:54:04.000 Decaf coffee doesn't taste very good.

01:54:06.000 So would you take the world's best, most like prize-winning beans and send them through a process that removes their flavor?

01:54:12.000 No, you take the moldiest, crappiest, lowest quality, lowest grade beans and you decaf those because people who drink decaf don't drink it for flavor.

01:54:20.000 If they did, they wouldn't drink decaf.

01:54:22.000 Yeah, why are they drinking it?

01:54:22.000 My mom has to drink decaf because she can't drink.

01:54:25.000 She doesn't have to drink coffee period. 1.00

01:54:27.000 She loves coffee, though.

01:54:30.000 She kind of does it for the taste, I guess. 0.99

01:54:31.000 I made my decaf beans because of people like that.

01:54:35.000 There's good studies that show decaf does good things for you.

01:54:39.000 And so it's a very small percentage of people, but the way I did it is I took bulletproof beans and I send them right over the border to the one place on earth where you can do Swiss water process, which is in Vancouver, and send them back over the border to Portland, where my roastery is.

01:54:56.000 And it's the best decaf I can make, and it's clean, but it still doesn't taste good.

01:55:00.000 Like, it's decaf, for God's sake.

01:55:02.000 So that's why decaf is bad.

01:55:03.000 It gets bad beans and it removes a protective element.

01:55:06.000 So it has to be super fresh decaf, and it has to be made from proper beans.

01:55:09.000 And most companies, in fact, no company I know of, and isn't like Starbucks decaf actually have caffeine in it?

01:55:15.000 Yeah.

01:55:15.000 All decaf has some caffeine in it.

01:55:17.000 Yeah.

01:55:18.000 But most of the decaf out there is done using volatile organic chemicals like hexane and things like that.

01:55:24.000 Oh, that sounds good for you.

01:55:25.000 Totally.

01:55:26.000 I mean, just it's a thing that you can use to dissolve the caffeine out of the coffee.

01:55:32.000 So it turns out chemical process decaf tastes a little better than Swiss water process, but it has residues from the solvents that they use.

01:55:41.000 So it's a toss-up.

01:55:42.000 Do you want more flavor and more residues, or do you want like cleaner decaf coffee?

01:55:47.000 Now, what other foods contain mycotoxins that people should like avoid?

01:55:51.000 Grains are a terrible, terrible problem.

01:55:53.000 Corn is, right?

01:55:54.000 Corn, like 90 to 98% of corn is infected with fusarium fungus on the stalk.

01:56:00.000 It actually comes in through those little tassels on the end of it.

01:56:03.000 So by the time you get it, there's already some in there.

01:56:05.000 It'll grow in fresh corn on the cob if it's not iced right after you pick it.

01:56:09.000 But if you dry the corn, I mean, there's humidity levels, there's different amounts of things like that that influence this.

01:56:15.000 But dried corn is universally something that's going to have levels of fusarium and the associated toxins it makes.

01:56:21.000 And depending on the strain of fusarium, you can get trichostine, you can get ocratoxin, or you can get fusaricin, which is another toxin.

01:56:28.000 You don't need to memorize all these names, but you should know that dried corn, even like the vegan dried corn, you know, tortilla chips or whatever, are a potential risk.

01:56:38.000 And again, it varies by season.

01:56:39.000 It varies by part of the world.

01:56:40.000 It varies by how dry it was.

01:56:42.000 If it's too dry, you get mold because the plants are stressed.

01:56:44.000 If it's too wet, you get mold because the plants were too wet.

01:56:47.000 So it's an agricultural commodity.

01:56:49.000 It's not a constant level.

01:56:50.000 And the main argument for avoiding these things is that we evolved to handle eating something bad, right?

01:56:57.000 You throw up, you feel crappy, you might get headache, you might get sick, and then you recover, you excrete the toxins, and you go on and you kill the next animal, you pick the next tuber, and that's how it works.

01:57:07.000 But we never were meant to eat a low level of these toxins every single day and every single meal.

01:57:14.000 It creates low-grade chronic stress, which leads to low-grade chronic inflammation.

01:57:18.000 And the level of safety for okra toxin, just one of these toxins that the European Union has for their citizens, is five parts per billion.

01:57:29.000 You're not going to see mold on your coffee.

01:57:31.000 You're not going to taste it.

01:57:32.000 It is part per billion.

01:57:33.000 Why did they set that level?

01:57:35.000 It's not because they're smoking crack.

01:57:38.000 It's because that's a level where you start seeing a problem.

01:57:41.000 Here's one way to know that you got, this is like the poor man's mold detector test for your coffee.

01:57:46.000 If you drink a cup of coffee and you have to pee soon after you drink it and your pee is clear, that's a really good sign that you got mold toxins.

01:57:54.000 Why is that?

01:57:55.000 The reason for that is that those mold toxins, ocrotoxin, is particularly rough on the kidneys and bladder.

01:58:00.000 In fact, it's linked to bladder cancer.

01:58:02.000 So your body, being pretty smart, actually, as an evolutionary kind of thing, will sit there and say, oh, I've got this toxin.

01:58:11.000 It's here.

01:58:11.000 Well, why doesn't it make you pee after you eat corn?

01:58:14.000 It does, depending on the corn.

01:58:16.000 Corn makes you pee?

01:58:17.000 It depends on which corn. 0.96

01:58:18.000 You ever heard that?

01:58:19.000 Have you known?

01:58:20.000 History of the world.

01:58:21.000 Have you ever heard, man, I hate eating corn because I don't like peeing?

01:58:25.000 People don't like drinking coffee because it makes them pee.

01:58:28.000 People say caffeine's a diuretic.

01:58:29.000 It's a very weak diuretic.

01:58:30.000 What's a very strong diuretic is ocratoxin?

01:58:33.000 Wait a minute.

01:58:34.000 Caffeine is a weak diuretic? 0.99

01:58:36.000 So when you're drinking Red Bull and you have to piss like a fucking wild racehorse, what's that all about? 0.98

01:58:41.000 Because there are ocratoxins in Red Bull. 0.99

01:58:43.000 There's a little bit of fructose in there, isn't there?

01:58:45.000 Fructose makes you pee?

01:58:46.000 Well, so fructose is one of those things that causes advanced glycation end products in the body.

01:58:51.000 It's one of the most damaging sugars to deal with.

01:58:53.000 So your body really wants to flush toxins out as fast as it can.

01:58:56.000 So whenever you have something that makes you have to pee and pee clear, as long as you haven't been like chugging gallons and gallons of water just to dilute your pee that way, what's going on there is your body pulled hydration, pulled water out of your tissues, put it into your kidneys and bladder so it could reduce the concentration.

01:59:12.000 You want to dilute the toxin as much as possible and then pee it out as soon as possible.

01:59:16.000 So what you'll find when you pee and it's clear, you're not peeing like two gallons of water.

01:59:21.000 You have to pee, it's clear pee.

01:59:22.000 It's your body saying excrete the toxins faster, excrete them faster.

01:59:25.000 And if you just look at the color of your pee, how often you pee and the volume of your pee, you can pretty much tell whether you had toxins in the previous several hours.

01:59:33.000 So you think that it's actually the fructose that's making people pee when they drink redose?

01:59:37.000 Fructose does make you have to pee more.

01:59:39.000 Caffeine has an effect.

01:59:41.000 Unquestionably, I'm not saying caffeine is not a diuretic.

01:59:43.000 I'm absolutely saying it is a diuretic.

01:59:45.000 It's just not as strong a diuretic as bad coffee.

01:59:48.000 That the extra big boost, like the super urgent having to pee, is a different feeling than I need to pee more than I had to pee before.

01:59:55.000 And if you use a weak diuretic, your pee is going to be more yellow than it is white. 0.98

01:59:59.000 Because I find that when I drink Red Bulls, like if I work for the UFC, if I drink a Red Bull, god damn, I got to pee. 0.93

02:00:04.000 Like quickly. 0.95

02:00:05.000 But I can drink a cup of coffee and be fine.

02:00:07.000 I'd have to see what else is in there.

02:00:08.000 But there's a difference.

02:00:10.000 Red Bull versus coffee.

02:00:13.000 How do you tell with corn then?

02:00:15.000 How do you tell with microtoxins that are on grain?

02:00:17.000 If you're eating a taco, okay, it's got corn in there.

02:00:20.000 It's got meat from grain-fed animals.

02:00:21.000 And we can talk about how grain-fed animals accumulate this one toxin.

02:00:25.000 Actually, they accumulate lots of the toxins from molds in their food.

02:00:28.000 But we talked about it earlier with oatmeal.

02:00:30.000 Oh, that's true.

02:00:30.000 We did with a grass-fed and grain-fed.

02:00:32.000 So there you go.

02:00:33.000 And there's some seasonal effects there too, like especially in pork.

02:00:35.000 So you get all this stuff stacked up, and then you're like, okay, I ate this meal.

02:00:38.000 End of the day, was the meat deep-fried or not?

02:00:41.000 All of those have different heterocyclic amines, acrylamide, all these things form.

02:00:45.000 So your body's going to say, all right, taking all this stuff in as a total, including what was the ratio of protein versus fat and protein versus carbs, too much protein makes you have to pee more to get that out too.

02:00:55.000 So it's going to do all that and it's going to do something.

02:00:57.000 But if you eat a meal of just corn or just corn and a couple things like corn and butter, you know butter doesn't make you have to pee, you may notice a difference.

02:01:05.000 There's probably also some individual sensitivities there around like allergies to corn and zine and whether the corn is genetically modified or not.

02:01:05.000 You may not too.

02:01:12.000 But the main point is that if you have to pee urgently, look at what you just did in the previous half hour to two hours maybe, and you're very likely to say, wait, there's something in there that was different than the time before because it's not normal to go, I have to pee right now. 0.93

02:01:25.000 If you're getting that, there's something going on in your body and your body's saying, get this crap out of here.

02:01:29.000 Is it okay to grow your own corn? 0.99

02:01:32.000 Can you like grow your own corn and eat that?

02:01:34.000 Or will that have mycotoxins on it as well?

02:01:36.000 I think so.

02:01:37.000 The difficulty with fresh corn is that as soon as you pick it, you want to blanch it and freeze it, which is what we traditionally did.

02:01:43.000 You get frozen corn on the cob.

02:01:46.000 Yeah.

02:01:47.000 Why?

02:01:47.000 Well, if you blanch it and freeze it, then it doesn't decompose at all.

02:01:51.000 You get perfectly fresh corn.

02:01:53.000 Does it taste just as good as if it was fresh?

02:01:55.000 It depends how you're going to cook it.

02:01:57.000 One of my favorite ways of doing corn is you get fresh organic corn that was literally picked the day before, hopefully packed in crushed ice.

02:02:03.000 Like that's what the farmer's market should be doing when they bring that stuff in.

02:02:07.000 And then you take that, you just toss it on the grill and like let it steam inside the husk.

02:02:12.000 Like it's amazing.

02:02:13.000 Roll it in a whole bunch of butter.

02:02:15.000 That's going to be pretty darn safe.

02:02:16.000 But if that same stuff was two or three days old, like it might be in the grocery store, and the outside's a little bit kind of crinkled looking and a little gray, I actually noticed a big difference from that.

02:02:25.000 Granted, I'm a canary.

02:02:27.000 But if I feel a huge difference, there's a difference in the toxin level.

02:02:30.000 And what I'm learning in the course of just writing this and having all these people come to the website and share experiences there, they're noticing the same things.

02:02:41.000 Like, wow, I got really tired after that meal and I don't normally get really tired.

02:02:45.000 Like, what could have caused it?

02:02:46.000 And I'm like, well, here's the most likely mold toxin containing things in there.

02:02:46.000 And then we trace it back.

02:02:50.000 Why don't you experiment with those?

02:02:52.000 Eat those again.

02:02:53.000 And it's like, wow, like it was, it was that batch of cashews.

02:02:56.000 I didn't understand.

02:02:56.000 That's what messed me up.

02:02:57.000 I lost two hours of productive time today because I was eating a bad batch of cashews.

02:03:00.000 It happens.

02:03:01.000 Like, that's the nature of food.

02:03:03.000 It's so weird that it's nuts, too. 0.99

02:03:03.000 And it sucks. 0.99

02:03:05.000 That it's nuts and grains. 0.99

02:03:08.000 All the good stuff.

02:03:09.000 Do you think that they're going to ever have a method to weed that stuff out and find out how to give people healthy food?

02:03:15.000 And we have this as an issue?

02:03:17.000 have the methods.

02:03:18.000 Okay, but why don't...

02:03:22.000 Do you ever think there's going to be a time where this is applied stuff?

02:03:25.000 Like this is going to be, right now this is a pretty fringe conversation as far as like the mainstream ideas of health and nutrition.

02:03:32.000 If you talk to a food safety scientist, you talk to CDC, you talk to FDA, they have mold toxin, they have salmonella, they have E. coli, and they have specialists who are tracking all this stuff.

02:03:42.000 The problem is that testing is spotty.

02:03:44.000 Sampling is a difficult thing to do.

02:03:46.000 Like how many samples can you take from where?

02:03:48.000 Things change over time.

02:03:50.000 Like those bins where you're storing stuff in the bulk section at the grocery store, how often are those bins cleaned out?

02:03:56.000 Because a lot of this contamination happens.

02:03:58.000 If you test it after it's picked, it's pretty clean.

02:04:00.000 You put it in a dirty silo during storage before it's packaged up in that organic store where you go to, it's going to pick up mold spores there and they're going to keep growing on the dried stuff unless you controlled humidity and temperature.

02:04:11.000 And not a lot of times do people do that.

02:04:13.000 So it's just a really complex supply chain.

02:04:15.000 And the bottom line is fresh local food avoids this problem entirely.

02:04:19.000 This is one of the reasons the industrialization of our food supply is creating more chronic stress in people.

02:04:25.000 And this is a problem that is real.

02:04:28.000 We know it's real.

02:04:29.000 And we know about the acute problems.

02:04:30.000 People poisoned by mold toxins.

02:04:32.000 People get liver cancer from aflatoxin.

02:04:33.000 They test aflatoxin in peanut butter because it was such a problem.

02:04:37.000 The problem is that there's a difference between it killed you and it knocked you down for a week and you went to the hospital and I had a crappy day.

02:04:45.000 Have you talked to somebody who has mold in their house, black mold in their house?

02:04:48.000 I had black mold in my house at least two, actually more than two times.

02:04:52.000 I can count three times in my life.

02:04:53.000 What?

02:04:54.000 I grew up in a basement that had been flooded.

02:04:56.000 We didn't know this in the 80s, right?

02:04:57.000 I had nosebleeds 10 times a day.

02:04:59.000 It's one of the reasons I'm as sensitive as I am now.

02:05:01.000 So literally, all the time, and I would get bruises all over my body for no reason.

02:05:04.000 These are ghost signs.

02:05:05.000 You were being haunted.

02:05:06.000 What was going on?

02:05:07.000 They were getting you in your sleep.

02:05:09.000 It could have been that vampire bat.

02:05:11.000 Could have been, man. 0.99

02:05:12.000 Vampires and ghosts both like you.

02:05:13.000 You're yummy.

02:05:15.000 Here's what actually happened, as opposed to the ghost theory.

02:05:18.000 Although I kind of like that one.

02:05:20.000 Your body uses vitamin C to make glutathione in the liver.

02:05:23.000 Glutathione is the main detoxing enzyme there.

02:05:26.000 Your body also uses vitamin C to make collagen in your tissues.

02:05:30.000 Your arteries and veins are made out of collagen.

02:05:32.000 So if you have to make a life and death decision biologically between detoxing the liver and building collagen, you will always choose protect the liver first because you can always make more collagen later.

02:05:42.000 So I was shunting all my vitamin C. I didn't supplement back then.

02:05:45.000 You know, I'm just a kid eating, you know, McDonald's.

02:05:48.000 And so I would shunt whatever vitamin C was in my diet directly to my liver to help detox what I was breathing in.

02:05:53.000 And it didn't help that I'm one of the 28% with the genes that don't handle mold, especially aerosol mold very well.

02:06:00.000 And that's why I was getting bruising because I couldn't hold my blood in my nose or here, you know, just in my arms and legs.

02:06:06.000 I just have all these bruises where I couldn't, I didn't like, I was playing soccer, but no one, you know.

02:06:10.000 Sounds good, but I'm going with ghosts.

02:06:12.000 All right, I'll buy the ghosts.

02:06:14.000 And what is glutathione, dude?

02:06:16.000 Glutathion is one of the major cellular antioxidants in the body, and it's the thing that the liver uses for most of its detoxification.

02:06:24.000 And a biochemist or a biologist is going to say, well, there's P450 pathways, blah, blah, blah.

02:06:28.000 But basically, when you drink, you suck the glutathione out of your liver.

02:06:32.000 And if you run out of glutathione, you start getting alcohol-induced liver damage.

02:06:36.000 When you take Tylenol, it causes liver damage if it depletes your glutathione.

02:06:40.000 So it's in your best interest to keep your cellular levels, your intracellular levels, and your liver levels of glutathione as high as you can so you can be more resilient in the face of toxins.

02:06:50.000 And as a kid, I didn't have very good glutathione because I was taking all of my vitamin C and giving it to my liver because I lived in a basement with toxic mold, not knowing it, but I had all the asthma and ADD and a lot of these things that are directly tied to what I was breathing.

02:07:03.000 We just didn't know it at the time.

02:07:05.000 We went to all these different specialists.

02:07:06.000 No one could say boop, but my symptoms line up perfectly.

02:07:09.000 And I have all the lab tests showing my immune system is magically reactive to like nine of the top 10 most toxic molds.

02:07:15.000 So you take glutathione, you also take collagen. 0.99

02:07:19.000 Like what other shit do you take? 0.98

02:07:21.000 I actually make those things because I couldn't find a good grass-fed collagen out there. 0.99

02:07:26.000 And so I prefer eating grass-fed animals because it's better for the environment and it's better in general from a health perspective.

02:07:32.000 So I take grass-fed, pre-digested, hydrolyzed collagen.

02:07:35.000 So you don't even have to digest it.

02:07:36.000 It just absorbs.

02:07:38.000 I even put that in my bulletproof coffee sometimes, like if I lifted or I did something strenuous the day.

02:07:43.000 Once every year.

02:07:44.000 Once a year you lift.

02:07:45.000 Come on.

02:07:45.000 It's a month.

02:07:46.000 That's ridiculous. 0.83

02:07:46.000 Give me credit, no. 0.83

02:07:47.000 I've been working out more on the vibe lately, so I've been increasing my protein intake to account for physical activity because I've decided I need to get my sense of proprioception, get my body lined up right, so I'm doing more work on it.

02:07:59.000 Daenefix, son.

02:08:01.000 That's what you need to do.

02:08:02.000 And then I take glutathione, and this has been a problem because glutathione is a really complex sulfur-bearing molecule.

02:08:02.000 All right.

02:08:08.000 It's big.

02:08:09.000 So when you eat glutathione, it gets digested and you don't get any, it doesn't absorb.

02:08:14.000 So you can take a glutathione pill and nothing happens.

02:08:16.000 So the old way of doing this was to take vitamin C and an amino acid called N-acetylcysteine.

02:08:21.000 And these combine maybe with alpha-lapoic acid if you want to be fancy and help you make glutathione.

02:08:26.000 But it's rate-limited by an enzyme.

02:08:28.000 So the upgraded glutathione that I make now uses a technique out of actually the pharmaceutical industry.

02:08:37.000 And we encapsulate the glutathione molecule in phosphatidylcholine, which is basically a healthy form of the fat that insulates your nerves.

02:08:46.000 And your body loves choline.

02:08:48.000 In fact, it's one of the things in alpha brain.

02:08:50.000 There's things that help you have more choline.

02:08:53.000 So it loves this stuff.

02:08:54.000 And then we tie another molecule onto it called a lactopherin that your immune system loves.

02:08:58.000 So when this hits the wall of your stomach, your stomach's like, oh yeah, and it sucks it right in, which raises the blood levels much higher than you can get via any other method that I've experimented with.

02:09:07.000 And I've done a lot.

02:09:08.000 I've done IV glutathione, actually quite a lot of it, going back historically, but it costs $150 and it takes an hour to inject the stuff.

02:09:17.000 So we're getting fantastic results from people who just take this oral stuff.

02:09:22.000 And that's what I take.

02:09:23.000 And I take it on a regular basis because I want to be more resilient.

02:09:26.000 Number one, I wasn't born with a very resilient body.

02:09:28.000 I have like one kidney.

02:09:30.000 Like I actually have some spina bifida, believe it or not.

02:09:33.000 Like my lower spine isn't fully fused.

02:09:34.000 So I didn't start out strong and I'm pretty stoked with where I am.

02:09:37.000 But I do things like glutathione.

02:09:38.000 I do things like collagen, like coffee, everything I can find on the planet that brings me back to above the level I've ever performed before.

02:09:45.000 And like glutathione, understanding as a kid, I didn't have enough of it, and that affected my health, made me more aware of its role in the body today.

02:09:52.000 So I could do the stuff that I'm doing now, which honestly, like, I take all my own stuff because it works for me.

02:09:58.000 That's pretty fascinating.

02:09:59.000 You know, A lot of people are skeptical about the possibilities that they're experiencing that much issue in their life because of toxins, because of things that are just naturally in the diet and a slow sort of leak of poison into your body.

02:10:18.000 I never even thought about it that way. 0.97

02:10:20.000 But if you have a house that has fucking black mold in it, that is exactly what it's like. 0.99

02:10:23.000 If you have a house that... 0.99

02:10:27.000 You've had it.

02:10:28.000 But have you ever talked to someone who almost died from that?

02:10:30.000 I know a dude who was like, literally thought he had AIDS and found out that it was just some fungus living in his house.

02:10:37.000 They tested me for AIDS.

02:10:38.000 Did they?

02:10:39.000 My doctor said, Dave.

02:10:40.000 He said, he goes, this guy's like really an amazing dude.

02:10:40.000 He looked at you.

02:10:46.000 He said, Dave, people don't see me as many times as you've seen me.

02:10:49.000 Like, you're not getting better.

02:10:50.000 I don't know what the deal is here.

02:10:52.000 And he tested the heck out of me.

02:10:54.000 And we finally figured out that it was toxic mold.

02:10:58.000 How much of a real issue is it when people get fat?

02:11:02.000 Is mold?

02:11:03.000 No, fat.

02:11:04.000 Just fat itself as well.

02:11:05.000 Being fat itself.

02:11:06.000 How much of an effect is it?

02:11:08.000 It's being overweight.

02:11:09.000 It has a big effect, right?

02:11:10.000 That's less of a...

02:11:15.000 And that's the other side of what I do with the supplements that I make.

02:11:20.000 It's about increasing mitochondrial function.

02:11:22.000 And if you have a fueling problem, an energy management problem in your body, and being fat is a great sign of that, you need to figure out why and you need to correct it.

02:11:31.000 Because when your body works well, you shouldn't be fat.

02:11:34.000 Have you noticed this trend where you're not supposed to bring up the fact that people are fat?

02:11:38.000 And it's called fat shaming.

02:11:40.000 Have you seen this?

02:11:41.000 I've seen some things on Facebook.

02:11:43.000 Discussing fat or even better, celebrating the fact that you're thin is fat shaming.

02:11:49.000 Wow.

02:11:50.000 There was a woman. 1.00

02:11:51.000 Fucking people. 1.00

02:11:52.000 What about thin shaming? 1.00

02:11:53.000 Well, you know what it is, man?

02:11:54.000 It's just people trying to find some sort of an excuse for why they are the way they are and an excuse to continue to be the way they are without feeling any repercussions from socially from other people.

02:12:05.000 This is a woman. 0.86

02:12:05.000 She had this picture. 0.86

02:12:06.000 She put it on Facebook.

02:12:07.000 It's her.

02:12:08.000 She's in a bikini or like a little, you know, one of those little CrossFit outfits or something like that. 0.99

02:12:13.000 And she has her three kids there.

02:12:15.000 Oh, I saw that picture.

02:12:16.000 And the picture says, what's your excuse?

02:12:19.000 And people were saying, you're fat shaming.

02:12:22.000 A lot of people have different lives.

02:12:23.000 Like, whether or not someone has a different life and whether or not someone has a different issue with their body.

02:12:28.000 That's not what she's saying.

02:12:30.000 She's saying, what's your excuse?

02:12:31.000 Because this is what she's been able to do.

02:12:33.000 You're right.

02:12:34.000 Everybody's different.

02:12:35.000 You're right.

02:12:36.000 Some people have a bad situation that they're in financially.

02:12:40.000 Some people have bad genetics.

02:12:41.000 Some people they've been taught poorly, whatever, diseases, all the above.

02:12:47.000 But that's not fat shaming.

02:12:49.000 She's celebrating the fact that she's thin. 0.92

02:12:51.000 You know, and this fat shaming thing that people love to say now is it completely alleviates any responsibility you have for your own physical shape.

02:13:00.000 It's like they want to take it out of the equation that social aspect of being fat, like there's a reason for it.

02:13:09.000 The reason for it is it's not healthy for you.

02:13:11.000 There's the girl, if you look at that picture up there.

02:13:13.000 What's your excuse?

02:13:14.000 Yeah.

02:13:16.000 But there's a reason why that exists is because people see what you're doing and they don't like the way it looks on you because they're scared of it being on them.

02:13:25.000 When someone sees a morbidly obese person, the reason why they're staring is not because they're trying to shame that person.

02:13:30.000 It's a natural freak out. 1.00

02:13:32.000 Your body recognizes, oh shit, that's possible too. 0.99

02:13:36.000 I could do that. 1.00

02:13:37.000 God damn, I better not do that. 0.99

02:13:39.000 I don't want to do that. 0.99

02:13:40.000 That looks awful. 0.65

02:13:41.000 Oh my God, that guy's going to die. 0.89

02:13:43.000 That's not fat shaming.

02:13:44.000 That's a natural thing that people do where they recognize success and failure in their environment.

02:13:51.000 And that success and failure is as much social success and failure as it is physiological health.

02:13:57.000 If you see someone that's super unhealthy, coughing and smoking a cigarette, that feeling is not cigarette smoking shaming, okay?

02:14:07.000 That feeling is you're recognizing that someone is doing something incredibly unhealthy and that possibility exists for you too.

02:14:15.000 Here's the thing, Joe.

02:14:16.000 That feeling is not a rational response.

02:14:20.000 It's a self-defense system in the body that happens before you even think about it.

02:14:23.000 This is the body going, like naturally animals don't want to spend time with other sick animals either.

02:14:28.000 Like they'll move away from the sick ones.

02:14:30.000 And when we see someone, when our body, our meat operating system sees someone who's sick, we naturally want to create space.

02:14:36.000 But here's the thing.

02:14:38.000 So I weighed 300 pounds.

02:14:39.000 I was fat for like half my life.

02:14:40.000 And let me tell you, every fat person on earth knows they're fat.

02:14:43.000 They do not feel happy about it and they desperately want to fix it. 0.67

02:14:47.000 But they don't want you to rub it in their face, Dave Asprey, because that's fat shaming.

02:14:50.000 You make me feel bad. 0.99

02:14:51.000 If you show your six-pack, if you just pull that up like 15 minutes a month, bitch, boom, and show that six pack on Instagram, you're fat shaming. 1.00

02:15:00.000 Isn't that hilarious? 0.99

02:15:01.000 You could fucking work out every morning, an hour and a half a day, get yourself in shape, take a picture, and people would be angry because they didn't. 0.99

02:15:10.000 That's amazing. 0.99

02:15:12.000 They would be not inspired.

02:15:14.000 Well, of course, but they're saying you're fat shaming.

02:15:16.000 They're angry because they're trying desperately stuff that doesn't work, and when it does not work, often.

02:15:22.000 Fair point.

02:15:22.000 There's some people who just have given up.

02:15:24.000 I would say most. 1.00

02:15:25.000 I would say most people who are talking about fat shaming are just stuffing Twinkies down their fucking mug. 1.00

02:15:30.000 The people talking about fat shaming have emotional issues, I would guess. 1.00

02:15:34.000 But they find support online.

02:15:36.000 That's what I find fascinating.

02:15:37.000 People agree with them.

02:15:39.000 The people that called that woman a fat shamer, it was a lot of them. 0.97

02:15:43.000 She had to apologize, but she was disingenuous in her apology.

02:15:48.000 I feel a lot of compassion for her.

02:15:49.000 I should explain why she's so disingenuous. 1.00

02:15:51.000 She did some interview where she was talking about, you know, like when she said, what's your excuse?

02:15:57.000 Like, she came up with some sort of a real softened down version of what she meant by, what's your excuse.

02:16:04.000 You know, but what she meant is, she's not fat. 0.98

02:16:07.000 Look, I'm hot.

02:16:08.000 What's your excuse?

02:16:08.000 Here's my kids.

02:16:09.000 I'm hot.

02:16:10.000 It's pretty obvious what she meant.

02:16:11.000 And she was like, what's your excuse for not meeting your goals?

02:16:16.000 I kind of get mad though when people say your excuse is that you're lazy and your excuse is that you didn't work out enough and you didn't diet enough.

02:16:22.000 Because dude, I beat myself up.

02:16:23.000 I broke my metabolism.

02:16:24.000 I broke my thyroid gland working out all the time and eating a low-fat, low-calorie diet.

02:16:28.000 And all it did was make me fat and sick and tired.

02:16:31.000 Like it doesn't work.

02:16:32.000 So it's really annoying when you get these people who are genetically gifted, have a good metabolism, and never got a chronic illness or whatever the heck works so they could basically look good without too much work.

02:16:43.000 And they stand up there and say, you know, you didn't do enough of this.

02:16:46.000 But when the fat people try and go for a jog, when you weigh 300 pounds, you try and go for a jog, it's destructive on your tissues.

02:16:51.000 So you get all these fat people who are trying and just failing miserably and feeling bad about themselves because they did it because they got the wrong advice.

02:16:58.000 Like that's why I started just putting some of this stuff up there.

02:17:01.000 I don't have to work.

02:17:02.000 I don't have food cravings.

02:17:03.000 All that stuff I struggled with like for a lot of my life, it just isn't something I have to think about anymore.

02:17:09.000 And it kind of upsets me when I see, you know, fat people who are feeling guilty and like fighting all their willpower on these cravings that they're just because like they're doing it wrong, but they don't know they're doing it wrong.

02:17:20.000 So then they feel guilty and they get caught in all this emotional stuff.

02:17:23.000 And like it's unnecessary.

02:17:24.000 Yeah, it seems like there's got to be a way to get healthy food to people and make it a part of everyone's everyday diet.

02:17:34.000 But then you start considering the numbers of people in Los Angeles.

02:17:37.000 And if there's 20 million people getting everybody grass-bred beef and getting everybody MCT oil.

02:17:44.000 They're going to have to take over some golf courses.

02:17:46.000 We're going to have to put cows on them. 1.00

02:17:47.000 Is that what they're going to have to do? 0.99

02:17:48.000 You could feed an awful lot of cows on some of these crap. 0.99

02:17:50.000 You're not going to stop people from golfing. 0.99

02:17:52.000 There's too many rich dudes like golfing.

02:17:54.000 There needs to be a fast food company that just takes over and just starts doing it because that's the biggest problem is people just need fast food.

02:18:00.000 You know, they need fast food that's actually healthy.

02:18:03.000 There's a couple attempts.

02:18:04.000 There's a guy from one of the early Whole Foods guys and some McDonald's guys got together and like they'll make something that's I'm forgetting the name of what they're trying to do, but they'll make something that's better than it was.

02:18:15.000 But is it going to be non-GMO even?

02:18:17.000 Is it going to be gluten-free?

02:18:18.000 No, probably not because we have to understand the core tenets of what makes us healthy and we have to understand those widely before there's demand for them.

02:18:26.000 So the number one predictor for whether you're going to be obese or not is your income level.

02:18:31.000 The poorer you are, the fatter you are.

02:18:33.000 That's especially true in America.

02:18:35.000 And that's a food quality issue.

02:18:36.000 And it's just not fair the way things are set up that way.

02:18:40.000 But if you're poor, you have a hard time getting food that doesn't make you inflamed.

02:18:44.000 It doesn't break your insulin.

02:18:45.000 It doesn't contain things that make you weak in it.

02:18:47.000 And it's tragic.

02:18:49.000 It shouldn't be that way, but that's how it is.

02:18:51.000 There's a blog I read about thin privilege just to sit there.

02:18:56.000 That's another thing.

02:18:56.000 That's another way of saying fat shaming.

02:18:59.000 The other side of saying fat shaming is that being thin, you are enjoying thin privilege.

02:19:04.000 And that by dating success and all that?

02:19:06.000 No, not just dating success, but the way people dress you and the way you move around in society.

02:19:12.000 That you enjoy thin privilege.

02:19:14.000 And what they're trying to do is compare being in shape with being a white male.

02:19:19.000 Like white male privilege. 0.98

02:19:21.000 White male privilege is almost shameful. 0.93

02:19:24.000 You know, it's almost shameful to have this white male privilege while people are star. 0.82

02:19:28.000 It makes you feel like if someone talks about white male privilege, what do you think of?

02:19:34.000 You think of someone being aloof to the concerns of brown people and poor people and racism and also aloof to the fact that they got super lucky. 0.64

02:19:45.000 They got this lucky roll of the dice and were born in this way that allows them to be, I mean, if you think about white males, think about white males and you think about wealth.

02:19:57.000 The majority of the super wealthy people are white males.

02:20:01.000 The majority of the people that are in positions of power, whether it's presidents, mayors, white males. 0.99

02:20:06.000 So that white male, being a white male and having that privilege is almost like being a pig. 0.98

02:20:10.000 It's like being the man. 0.98

02:20:12.000 So thin privilege. 0.99

02:20:13.000 They've figured out a way to make being thin being a pig. 0.99

02:20:18.000 That is so. 0.97

02:20:19.000 Thin privilege.

02:20:20.000 Not I'm fat.

02:20:21.000 Not I'm lazy.

02:20:22.000 That's all.

02:20:24.000 Like just, you know, renaming words to mean something different.

02:20:28.000 Yes.

02:20:29.000 It's a little bit of that, but it's also, it's, you pulled up the blog, right, Brian?

02:20:32.000 Did you pull up one of the blogs?

02:20:34.000 It's also alleviating themselves of personal responsibility and finding a new victim or a new culprit.

02:20:41.000 And the culprit is not their own lack of self-respect or their own willpower or their own ability to discipline themselves or their own ability to educate themselves on proper nutrition.

02:20:51.000 That's out of the equation.

02:20:53.000 It's no longer their responsibility. 0.63

02:20:55.000 Now, instead, they'll concentrate on thin people having an ass that fits in an actual airplane seat and being able to squeeze on in an actual escalator. 1.00

02:21:06.000 All of these things these fat fucks are complaining about and calling thin privilege. 1.00

02:21:10.000 You've got to knock willpower out of that list. 1.00

02:21:12.000 There is no lack of willpower in fat people.

02:21:15.000 Willpower is a finite resource.

02:21:17.000 You have so much you can use.

02:21:18.000 We've proved this beyond a doubt.

02:21:19.000 What do you mean?

02:21:20.000 Willpower, there's a whole book about this now, and I'm, of course, forgetting the name of the author, but they actually show that there's so many decisions you can make.

02:21:28.000 I wrote about this a while back.

02:21:29.000 There's decision-making fatigue, and there's X amount of willpower, and you can apply that willpower to change the world, or you can apply that willpower to say no to the bowl of chips in front of you, right?

02:21:38.000 And if you're a fat person and your energy reserves are low, and I say this from personal experience, the amount of willpower it takes to get up off the couch and walk across the street and do whatever you're going to do, it requires a hell of a lot more willpower than you would think it would as a healthy person because your cells aren't working.

02:21:55.000 You don't have the energy and yet you get up and you do it.

02:21:57.000 And every step you take is sapping your willpower in a way a healthy person doesn't have.

02:22:01.000 Oh, I see what you're saying.

02:22:02.000 So you're saying that even though willpower is sort of an individual characteristic and some people have it and some people don't, with fat people, it's almost like a catch-22 because although they need it to drop weight, they're not going to have it because they need it to just move around.

02:22:20.000 Yeah, their energy levels are lower, so they have less willpower.

02:22:23.000 And they're using the willpower to do simple things that are effortless for you, and it's not effortless for a fat person.

02:22:29.000 That is such an interesting point and one that I really didn't consider.

02:22:32.000 That's a very unique point because I never really considered that fat people, like, it's almost like they can't help themselves.

02:22:40.000 It's almost like they're so, or it's so much more difficult for them to pass on shitty food than it is a regular person.

02:22:47.000 Well, think of it like this. 0.99

02:22:48.000 Okay, if you're a fat person. 0.97

02:22:49.000 Regular person. 0.98

02:22:50.000 That's thin privilege.

02:22:52.000 All right. 0.76

02:22:53.000 Fat people are real people. 0.94

02:22:55.000 Now it's a tranny thing. 0.99

02:22:57.000 Let's pretend that you're a fat person, Joe, and we have a bagel sitting here. 1.00

02:23:01.000 Good luck pretending, bitch. 1.00

02:23:03.000 Sorry. 1.00

02:23:05.000 Can't help myself.

02:23:07.000 The joke's there.

02:23:08.000 The bagel's going to be talking to you over and over.

02:23:10.000 It's going to say, eat me.

02:23:11.000 And a healthy person says, I don't actually have a craving. 1.00

02:23:14.000 Like, fuck you, bagel. 1.00

02:23:16.000 I love bagels. 1.00

02:23:16.000 I'm not that guy. 1.00

02:23:17.000 If you're a fat person, that bagel is going to constantly sit there and go, eat me, eat me, eat me. 0.61

02:23:20.000 And every time you say consciously, I'm not going to eat the bagel, you are spending your willpower wantonly.

02:23:26.000 So every time you see an ad for Mars on TV, you know, Mars bars or whatever the heck the latest candy is, and you're like, God, I got a craving.

02:23:32.000 No.

02:23:33.000 So you spend your entire day saying no to your biological systems that are starving for energy.

02:23:38.000 And this is why you're not depleted.

02:23:41.000 You're not lacking willpower.

02:23:43.000 You're wasting your willpower saying no to foods that are calling out to you in a biologically unnatural way because your energy systems are broken and you have less willpower than you should have had because your cells aren't functioning right.

02:23:54.000 Your hormones are broken.

02:23:55.000 So never say that fat people are fat because of a lack of willpower.

02:24:00.000 The fact that they're walking is a testament to their willpower.

02:24:03.000 What they're lacking is knowledge and they're lacking tools.

02:24:06.000 And when fat people have those things, they immediately go and they get thin again.

02:24:09.000 Okay, but if that's the case, then what makes someone go out of their way and get that knowledge?

02:24:16.000 What makes someone change their diet?

02:24:17.000 What makes someone make the difficult steps to start going to a gym?

02:24:20.000 It's kind of willpower, Dave Asprey.

02:24:23.000 There's definitely a willpower component to it, but things like social support will increase the amount of willpower you have.

02:24:29.000 Things like encouragement, and also things like dying or being disabled or finding a diabetic ulcer on your leg and your doctor telling you you're going to lose your leg if you don't work your ass out.

02:24:38.000 That can temporarily increase willpower enough that you get your cellular energy kicked off.

02:24:42.000 But what if you use that willpower and you go on a raw vegan diet?

02:24:45.000 Dude, you're going to crash.

02:24:46.000 You might actually lose some weight, but you'll end up wrecking your health even more over the next probably one to two years.

02:24:52.000 So what is missing from a raw vegan diet?

02:24:55.000 What's missing from a raw vegan diet is saturated fat, and you can say you get it from coconut oil, but you don't get all of it from coconut oil.

02:25:03.000 All those things that you find in the nice yellow rind of fat, the things you find in oysters, the things you find in liver, trace nutrients, iron, vitamin B12.

02:25:13.000 You can't supplement these things?

02:25:14.000 You can supplement those things.

02:25:16.000 Although I don't know where you're going to get vitamin D without relying on animal products unless you get the sunburned shiitake mushrooms is like one source.

02:25:24.000 Sunburned shiitake mushrooms.

02:25:26.000 The only vegan vitamin D that we know how to make is to take shiitake, pick them, turn them over, and expose them to UV, and they make a small amount of vitamin D. So it's the only, otherwise you'd need to make it.

02:25:36.000 How many shiitake do you have to eat to be healthy then?

02:25:39.000 A shiitake load. 0.99

02:25:40.000 Ah, you son of a gun. 0.99

02:25:43.000 You however. 0.98

02:25:45.000 That was coming.

02:25:46.000 That's pretty good, Dave Asprey.

02:25:46.000 That was coming.

02:25:47.000 That's almost like we said that up in advance.

02:25:50.000 Wow.

02:25:51.000 So vitamin D is a critical issue with vegans.

02:25:55.000 It is.

02:25:56.000 And maybe they're outside suntanning all the time. 0.99

02:25:58.000 There's this fucking poor kid who goes to school with my kid who's a vegan, and his mom wears a leather jacket. 0.99

02:26:03.000 It's the most hilarious thing ever. 1.00

02:26:05.000 You sure it's real leather?

02:26:06.000 Yeah, she's not a vegan.

02:26:08.000 She wants the kid to be a vegan. 0.58

02:26:09.000 So crazy.

02:26:10.000 Is it true that my friend's lactose intolerant, and she recently told me that the ibuprofen that she has to take a lot recently put dairy inside of the ibuprofen, and she started getting really sick from it, and she found out that some ibuprofens have dairy as a filler almost.

02:26:29.000 Yeah, they use lactose, the milk sugar.

02:26:31.000 If you're lactose intolerant, that'll mess you up.

02:26:33.000 Ibuprofen uses lactose.

02:26:36.000 Not all of it.

02:26:36.000 It's just a pharmaceutical filler.

02:26:38.000 Sometimes they use sugar, sometimes they use milk sugar. 0.81

02:26:41.000 It fucked her up, though, for two weeks, like really sick, like couldn't get out of bed, and it was just from that. 0.95

02:26:46.000 Wow, that's so weird, man. 0.64

02:26:50.000 They would think that that was something that they would absolutely not put in.

02:26:53.000 We know how many people are lactose intolerant.

02:26:55.000 That's putting nuts in medicine. 1.00

02:26:55.000 Absolutely. 1.00

02:26:57.000 Do you drink milk?

02:26:59.000 I don't drink milk.

02:27:00.000 I am allergic to milk because milk and gluten cross-react with toxic molds that you breathe.

02:27:05.000 Just cross-react, how so?

02:27:07.000 Cross-react means there's an eight-amino acid sequence that's present in casein and in gluten and in certain species of toxic molds.

02:27:15.000 So if your immune system, the memory B cells, get programmed to attack that eight amino acid sequence, you're going to see those foods as invaders and you're going to get a long, low-grade inflammatory response to them.

02:27:26.000 Wow.

02:27:27.000 And is this everybody or is this just people that are extra sensitive to it?

02:27:31.000 It depends on what you've been exposed to.

02:27:33.000 It depends on the species.

02:27:34.000 It depends on your genetic subtype.

02:27:36.000 But 28% of people are going to get that pretty darn likely, and other people can do.

02:27:40.000 We've got somewhere between like 50 and 100 million people in the U.S. alone with autoimmune conditions today.

02:27:45.000 It's a pretty big problem.

02:27:47.000 And the question is, is it like a problem with the gut biome or is it an external environmental thing?

02:27:52.000 And I can tell you that when we look at the studies of people's immune systems are attacking different parts of their bodies, there's definitely a problem with these anti-nutrients from foods and anti-nutrients from molds and other toxins in the environment.

02:28:09.000 But let's talk more about this raw vegan thing.

02:28:12.000 Right.

02:28:12.000 Because your question is, what's lacking?

02:28:14.000 It's actually what's there that shouldn't be there that's a bigger problem.

02:28:18.000 And you remember last time we talked about...

02:28:21.000 So that's one of the many things.

02:28:21.000 Yeah.

02:28:23.000 But there's a whole class of...

02:28:28.000 Yeah, you do the calcium loading thing that I wrote about and just put it in the water or at least just cook it and drain off the water.

02:28:34.000 And you can account for it.

02:28:35.000 You just don't want it to crystallize in your blood.

02:28:38.000 When I was a raw vegan, I certainly was getting the joint pain and some of the things that came from excess oxalic acid because I was like going crazy on the raw, like purple cabbage and kale.

02:28:47.000 Actually, I really like that stuff, but I did find it was having an effect on me.

02:28:51.000 And there's a whole class of these things called agglutinins.

02:28:57.000 And the broader category is called lectins.

02:29:01.000 And a lectin is yet again, I keep talking about these, it's something used in nature as a defense system.

02:29:07.000 So our cells in our bodies use lectin, which is a protein that's attracted to a sugar.

02:29:11.000 It's one of the many ways our cells communicate with each other.

02:29:14.000 And it's particularly used for blood clotting and coagulation types of things.

02:29:20.000 Lots of different plants use lectins as part of their defense mechanism.

02:29:24.000 And you've heard of like ricin, you know, the breaking bad, that little thing.

02:29:27.000 That's jack beans.

02:29:29.000 You can extract that from jack beans.

02:29:30.000 And a super tiny, tiny amount of that stuff is fatal.

02:29:35.000 And even when we want to look at like what blood type you are, we take lectins that come from food things like beans, and we put a drop of lectin in your blood.

02:29:43.000 And if your blood coagulates from this lectin, you're type O. If it if it coagulates from this lectin, you're type A. That's actually the test is using these things.

02:29:51.000 So you can deactivate a lot of lectins by cooking them, but not all of them.

02:29:58.000 And you can also go through and you can rinse them out.

02:30:02.000 So like your grandmother, likely, if you ate beans, knew that you soak the beans overnight, you rinse them multiple times, you do all these steps.

02:30:09.000 And that helps.

02:30:11.000 You can reduce the lectins, but the lectins are still there and they enter your body and they wreak havoc on your immune system.

02:30:18.000 So they can penetrate the lining of the gut. 0.82

02:30:20.000 They actually open up holes in your gut lining, which leads to other proteins leaking through.

02:30:25.000 So when you go on a raw vegan diet with the purest of intent, like I did, I was looking at my own health.

02:30:30.000 I wanted to lose weight.

02:30:31.000 I felt great on it for about three months.

02:30:33.000 What you can do is you can increase your food sensitivities dramatically because you end up cleaving holes in your gut based on the lectins you're eating.

02:30:40.000 And it's interesting, some foods are higher in lectins than others, like the nightshade family, potatoes, eggplants, tomatoes, and bell peppers.

02:30:49.000 And there's actually 200 other members of the family, like goji berries and things people don't usually think about.

02:30:55.000 Those things are highest in lectins.

02:30:57.000 So your body can detoxify a certain amount of lectins.

02:31:00.000 Some people are genetically sensitive to, say, potatoes or tomatoes.

02:31:05.000 20% of all rheumatoid arthritis is tied to that nightshade family I just talked about.

02:31:11.000 So we could eliminate huge amounts of arthritis drugs if we just told people, hey, it might be that stuff.

02:31:16.000 Guess where the other big source of lectins is?

02:31:18.000 It's grains, particularly wheat.

02:31:20.000 Wheat has a lectin, I believe it's called WGA.

02:31:23.000 It also contains agglutin.

02:31:25.000 This is the thing that I talked about earlier that causes clotting of your red blood cells.

02:31:28.000 It cuts a hole in the lining of your gut, lets other crap through, and then it causes your blood to clot.

02:31:34.000 So when you go on a vegan diet, you have to eat a ton of vegetables just to get enough calories to function.

02:31:39.000 And when I was a raw vegan, I mean, I had to buy new salad bowls like this big just so I could get enough salad in me.

02:31:45.000 And I'd make like these like fatty dressings with like two avocados and like a ton of soaked cashews and sprouted this. 0.64

02:31:51.000 And I'd, you know, add some Bragg's amino acids and all this stuff.

02:31:55.000 And two hours later, I'm having this ginormous lunch and I can like barely chew it enough.

02:31:59.000 And my calories are still barely where they should be to keep me going.

02:32:02.000 But, okay, I got a ton of nutrient density.

02:32:04.000 I also got a ton of anti-nutrient density.

02:32:07.000 And those anti-nutrients wreaked havoc on my GI tract and on the other immune reactivity things that I had going on.

02:32:14.000 And I've seen this in other people who come to the blog.

02:32:18.000 They literally say, wow, like I'm recovering from this.

02:32:22.000 And I've had this happen to good friends.

02:32:24.000 In fact, one of my guys is a black belt and a keto, one of my buddies from school.

02:32:28.000 He went on a raw vegan diet and it wrecked his health.

02:32:31.000 He's like one of the more sensitive, one of the guys more sensitive to food than anyone else I've met.

02:32:37.000 It's kind of amazing, but this is happening.

02:32:38.000 And this is not about what are you not getting from a raw vegan diet.

02:32:41.000 It's what are you getting that we should cook out of our food?

02:32:43.000 What do you get?

02:32:44.000 Yeah.

02:32:44.000 So a vegan diet wouldn't be nearly as bad to you as a raw vegan diet.

02:32:48.000 Absolutely.

02:32:49.000 Raw vegan is the real issue.

02:32:50.000 And a vegetarian one is a bigger advantage because if you're going to be vegetarian, you're probably not going to have that big of an issue with protein.

02:32:56.000 I'm a fan of moderate protein unless you're lifting heavy or you're doing some sort of really intense exercise.

02:33:01.000 You need more to replace what you damaged.

02:33:03.000 You know, gorillas eat a ton of celery and stuff, and they get reasonable amounts of density here.

02:33:08.000 But what you're missing there on a vegan diet is the saturated fat, the butter.

02:33:13.000 You really need saturated fat for your brain, for your hormones, for your skin.

02:33:17.000 And coconut oil itself does not have butyric acid.

02:33:20.000 It doesn't have the fatty acid profile that butter does.

02:33:24.000 And butter, if you're not going to eat animal fat, is your next best source.

02:33:28.000 Egg yolks are amazing.

02:33:29.000 You need that cholesterol as a building block.

02:33:31.000 Every cell in your body has cholesterol.

02:33:33.000 You can't copy cells without cholesterol.

02:33:34.000 It also doesn't make any sense if you don't eat eggs.

02:33:36.000 And it doesn't make any sense if you don't eat butter.

02:33:38.000 Nobody has to die for eggs.

02:33:39.000 Nobody has to die for butter. 1.00

02:33:40.000 It's just that simple, you fucks. 1.00

02:33:42.000 You crazy, silly bitches out there running away from eggs that could never be chickens no matter what happens to them. 1.00

02:33:49.000 Those are eggs, period. 1.00

02:33:51.000 It's free food from a chicken.

02:33:51.000 That's it.

02:33:53.000 Free food.

02:33:54.000 Yeah.

02:33:54.000 It's one of the more useful ways of converting non-food proteins.

02:34:00.000 Like you can feed scraps to a chicken and they convert it to food.

02:34:04.000 Mother Nature's cool too because even if you feed kind of moldy stuff to a chicken, like lower quality spoiled food, we're programmed to keep as much, just all animals are programmed that way to keep as much toxin away from the baby or the fetus or the embryo as possible.

02:34:19.000 So most of the toxins don't go through into the eggs.

02:34:21.000 Some of them can, particularly like metals, but the organic toxins and anti-nutrients get filtered out by the mom chicken, so the eggs are relatively pure.

02:34:30.000 Even the crappy industrial eggs that do have some contamination, they have arsenic and things, but they're a better choice than a lot of foods because of that filtering process that happens in the hen.

02:34:38.000 I have 14 chickens now.

02:34:40.000 Oh, you rock.

02:34:40.000 Yeah, just this new thing that we started doing this year.

02:34:44.000 And every day I get between 8 and 12 eggs.

02:34:49.000 Are they all in cages or do you let them just wander up around?

02:34:51.000 No, I have a whole huge yard where they wander around.

02:34:53.000 There's a coop where they go in at night, but during the day we open the door and they just walk out.

02:34:58.000 And you leave the door open at night, they walk back in.

02:35:00.000 Do they do the morning?

02:35:02.000 No, it's only roosters. 1.00

02:35:04.000 Roosters are the dumbest. 1.00

02:35:06.000 Actually, they're kind of smart, but they're just so stubborn. 1.00

02:35:08.000 I had a rooster that was sleeping outside my bedroom window.

02:35:12.000 He just moved in.

02:35:14.000 And every night.

02:35:15.000 Wasn't your rooster?

02:35:16.000 No, I used to live out in the country, and he just showed up.

02:35:19.000 And I was like, I can't handle this.

02:35:20.000 So I literally, I woke up at five in the morning.

02:35:22.000 I was all discombobulated.

02:35:23.000 I'm running around, like, knocking him out of the tree.

02:35:26.000 And then the next night.

02:35:27.000 He's like a tree.

02:35:28.000 He's back.

02:35:29.000 Like, they roost on a branch.

02:35:30.000 Why'd you shoot him? 0.99

02:35:31.000 Well, I got my BB gun out and I'd shoot him with one pump, just enough to knock him off, not enough to damage him. 0.98

02:35:37.000 It took three months. 0.94

02:35:38.000 Every night I'd brush my teeth, shoot the chicken, and go to sleep.

02:35:43.000 And three months before he'd move, I saw it off the branch he was sitting on while he was on it.

02:35:46.000 He just moved up one of the channels.

02:35:47.000 So for three months, he kept doing that.

02:35:49.000 He finally learned, but yeah.

02:35:50.000 That's hilarious.

02:35:51.000 I would have eaten that chicken on day two.

02:35:54.000 His name was Hannibal.

02:35:55.000 That's what you named him?

02:35:56.000 I put a chicken breast, like a spoiled one out for the barn cats, and he chased Off the barn cats and ate a chicken breast.

02:36:01.000 I'm like, that's the most disgusting thing ever.

02:36:03.000 That's why his name was Hannibal. 0.52

02:36:04.000 I'm not eating that chicken.

02:36:04.000 He's eating other chickens.

02:36:05.000 Wow, that's hilarious.

02:36:06.000 He chased off a cat?

02:36:08.000 Two cats.

02:36:08.000 He was a big, tough bird.

02:36:10.000 Yeah, those real big fighting roosters. 0.99

02:36:13.000 He was like a manly rooster, yeah.

02:36:14.000 Yeah, my old gardener, he fights roosters.

02:36:17.000 I went to his house.

02:36:18.000 He's got a there's a there's areas in the valley where you swear to god you're in Mexico. 0.98

02:36:23.000 There's not a fucking single sign. 0.97

02:36:25.000 It's in English. 0.98

02:36:26.000 And he took me to his buddy had a house that in the back of the house, they had like, I don't know, man, at least 100 cages were chickens, friend.

02:36:36.000 It was nuts.

02:36:37.000 And they had this barbecue pit, and they would roast a goat, and they'd kill a goat.

02:36:42.000 They butcher their own animals.

02:36:43.000 This isn't like the valley.

02:36:44.000 They butcher their own.

02:36:46.000 Totally illegal.

02:36:46.000 Butcher their own, I mean, none of its sanitary conditions.

02:36:50.000 Butcher a goat, cook it over a fire, and then behind that, they would have chicken fights.

02:36:54.000 They'd all bet on it.

02:36:55.000 Wow. 1.00

02:36:56.000 Yeah, these fuckers are big, man. 1.00

02:36:58.000 They're big and mean, and they put razor blades on. 1.00

02:37:01.000 I didn't watch the actual chicken fights.

02:37:03.000 I watched them training chickens.

02:37:04.000 I didn't watch them actually slice each other up.

02:37:07.000 But it's weird.

02:37:09.000 I'm not a fan of the whole idea of getting these animals to do things like fight for money and slice them up with razors and stuff like that. 0.99

02:37:18.000 It seems kind of fucked up. 0.97

02:37:20.000 But they say that they do it and then they cook them and they eat them. 0.99

02:37:23.000 This is just something they do that also is fun as well as food.

02:37:29.000 My understanding of food is you don't want to eat an animal that died in distress.

02:37:34.000 You get all these stress hormones.

02:37:35.000 It affects the quality of the meat and it affects a lot.

02:37:39.000 So I would prefer to eat animals that were raised well and killed ethically without knowing it's coming.

02:37:45.000 Yeah, they like watching chickens fight, though.

02:37:48.000 I think that's what it's about.

02:37:49.000 A lot of it is they're betting on these chickens fighting too.

02:37:52.000 It's a cultural thing.

02:37:53.000 Yeah.

02:37:55.000 I've seen enough from Hannibal.

02:37:56.000 That was a smarter rooster than I would have thought.

02:37:59.000 Like he knew that the BB gun was doing it to him.

02:38:02.000 He didn't know how, but he'd like hide in ditches and do little chicken commando things.

02:38:06.000 And I actually gained an appreciation for the intelligence of a rooster from having this thing.

02:38:10.000 It was funny, you know, watching one rooster intimidate two cats, walk up, eat their food right in front of them, stare them down, and then just walk up.

02:38:17.000 It was amazing just to watch these interactions.

02:38:19.000 So, I mean, I'm with the way of thinking about when you kill an animal, how many deaths does it take to feed someone?

02:38:26.000 And give me the beef, give me the lamb, because that lamb is going to feed me for a month for one death. 0.92

02:38:31.000 You kill one of those chickens, it's good for like half a meal, and you're still hungry, and you got really not so good fat out of it anyway.

02:38:36.000 Chicken fat's not good?

02:38:38.000 It's mostly omega-6, even if you feed it like all the natural stuff, like worms and coconuts and stuff.

02:38:42.000 So even if you are someone who eats meat, you shouldn't just eat chicken.

02:38:46.000 I think it's actually bad for you.

02:38:48.000 It's the least compatible protein ratio with us compared to the red meat.

02:38:53.000 You can get a little too much iron if you only eat like tons of red meat, but we have eggs for that.

02:38:57.000 So when I kind of look at the whole, you know, what's best for us, okay, you kill an animal, you can eat maybe half of a chicken.

02:39:05.000 It kills, it feeds maybe two people.

02:39:07.000 The chicken skin is full of omega-6 fats that oxidize when you cook it, so it's going to be inflammatory when you eat it.

02:39:12.000 So you want to take that skin off, and you got to do something with the skin.

02:39:14.000 What are you going to do with it?

02:39:16.000 If you have pigs, you would feed the skin to the pig with all the other scraps, and at least you get bacon out of it.

02:39:20.000 But most people, they just throw away the chicken skin or they eat it.

02:39:22.000 Chicken skin tastes delicious, though.

02:39:23.000 It's delicious, but it's crispy and yummy.

02:39:23.000 I know.

02:39:25.000 Not as good as bacon tastes.

02:39:26.000 That's true.

02:39:27.000 But sometimes this is what you want.

02:39:29.000 Sometimes you actually want chicken skin.

02:39:30.000 I give you that.

02:39:31.000 Yeah.

02:39:32.000 Have you ever seen those videos on crow intelligence?

02:39:38.000 They show how intelligent crows are?

02:39:40.000 No.

02:39:41.000 Oh, my God.

02:39:42.000 Crows are so intelligent that they're almost like they're probably more intelligent than chimps.

02:39:47.000 That sounds crazy, but there's a video of crows' use of tools.

02:39:50.000 Let's end with this, Brian.

02:39:52.000 Pull this video.

02:39:53.000 Crows use tools.

02:39:55.000 Watch this.

02:39:55.000 Such a cool video.

02:39:56.000 This is a fascinating video.

02:39:58.000 Crow using...

02:40:06.000 Crows using three tools in a row, supposedly.

02:40:08.000 Yeah.

02:40:10.000 Give us some volume.

02:40:14.000 Look at this.

02:40:15.000 The crow gets a tool and figures out that they can go and stick the tool into these little tubes and get things.

02:40:24.000 Whoa.

02:40:25.000 And then once he does that, he gets a toothpick.

02:40:27.000 So he sticks that one tool in and he uses that one tool to get a different tool.

02:40:34.000 And then he uses that tool.

02:40:35.000 See how he's hooking it?

02:40:36.000 Yep.

02:40:36.000 And he's fishing another tool.

02:40:38.000 And he gets a longer tool.

02:40:38.000 See?

02:40:40.000 With each tool, he gets a longer tool.

02:40:42.000 And then here, he goes...

02:40:46.000 Yeah, so crazy.

02:40:47.000 And this is quickly.

02:40:49.000 This crow figured this all out within a couple of minutes, and then he gets the food.

02:40:52.000 See?

02:40:53.000 So he used a small tool to get the medium tool, the medium tool to get the large tool, the large tool to get the food. 0.98

02:41:00.000 I mean, get the fuck out of Dodge, dude. 0.99

02:41:02.000 That's a smart-ass animal. 1.00

02:41:04.000 They are smart as shit. 1.00

02:41:06.000 They also don't taste good. 1.00

02:41:08.000 Have you eaten crows?

02:41:09.000 You eat crow?

02:41:09.000 No, but they're well known.

02:41:11.000 They make you eat crow.

02:41:12.000 It's what you eat when you're about to die.

02:41:14.000 That's what eat crow means.

02:41:14.000 Oh, that's funny.

02:41:16.000 Oh, that's funny.

02:41:17.000 I never even thought of that.

02:41:18.000 It's like the settlers, like, when you're in the desert and there's like nothing around, you shoot a crow.

02:41:22.000 It's like, I was going to starve, so I ate the crow because apparently they taste really crappy.

02:41:25.000 He's got a bottle.

02:41:26.000 I would feel bad eating an animal this smart.

02:41:28.000 It was just like half a meal.

02:41:29.000 Crows aren't even that meaty, but like I, you know, I don't feel so bad about a cow.

02:41:33.000 In fact, the next cow I eat, I'm actually going to slaughter it and butcher it myself with the butcher.

02:41:37.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:41:38.000 I also believe that if I'm going to believe it's ethical to eat it, I should be willing to kill it. 0.97

02:41:41.000 So I'm going to do it, and I'm going to do it in a peaceful way, and I'm going to enjoy every last bite. 0.61

02:41:47.000 What about game animal?

02:41:48.000 Do you eat moose or elk?

02:41:50.000 I love the sauce.

02:41:51.000 It's good for you.

02:41:52.000 I've gone deer hunting a few times with my father-in-law out in Pemberton.

02:41:55.000 He's got this amazing access to this crown land that no one ever goes to.

02:42:00.000 Last time I was there, I had 17 deer in my sights, and not one of them was a buck.

02:42:04.000 It's so frustrating.

02:42:05.000 I'm like, for God's sake.

02:42:06.000 17 deer and all of them were girls.

02:42:08.000 You didn't have a tag for a girl? 1.00

02:42:08.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:42:10.000 No. 1.00

02:42:12.000 Yeah, these crows are fucking genius. 1.00

02:42:13.000 See that? 1.00

02:42:14.000 You just took that long stick and took.

02:42:17.000 And got a second stick with it.

02:42:18.000 Yeah, and then he got meat.

02:42:20.000 Wow.

02:42:21.000 There's about 20 crows that live in my backyard, and they freak me out sometimes because I'll go out there and they'll just start off screaming at me.

02:42:28.000 Oh, you're talking. 0.99

02:42:29.000 Well, they're Going, oh God, this dickhead's here. 1.00

02:42:31.000 And my dog is so small that I think sometimes that, I don't know, crows might fuck with it. 1.00

02:42:36.000 They always just seem very violent when I come outside. 0.99

02:42:38.000 A hawk would.

02:42:39.000 Yeah, or magpies will totally just torture a dog. 1.00

02:42:42.000 What's the difference between a magpie and a crow?

02:42:43.000 They're like black and white.

02:42:44.000 They make a different sound.

02:42:46.000 There's like a creepy children of the corn thing with magpies because they're like in bigger flocks. 0.97

02:42:50.000 When I was a teenager, I lived out in the country and these magpies had decided to like nest in this tree and they were like covering my car in shit, like hundreds of splots in one night. 0.90

02:43:01.000 And I had this idea that if I shot one in the tree, they'd get the message that go roost somewhere else, which is actually a bad idea. 0.98

02:43:09.000 I shouldn't have done that. 0.63

02:43:10.000 So I shot one and I winged it.

02:43:12.000 It was just with the 22.

02:43:14.000 And so I was like, I got to go finish this thing off.

02:43:16.000 I would never leave an animal suffering like that.

02:43:19.000 So all of these birds suddenly got quiet and they all started yelling and making all this angry sounds.

02:43:27.000 And it was really kind of creepy.

02:43:28.000 And I went and I found the bird.

02:43:30.000 It was running away and I put it out of its misery.

02:43:32.000 And I felt kind of guilty after that. 0.97

02:43:34.000 Not that I haven't shot a bird and eaten it or something, but it was just like I was just killing it until I stop shitting on my car.

02:43:40.000 But just the amount of anger and silence and just weird behavior from all the other birds was kind of creeped me out.

02:43:46.000 It was weird.

02:43:46.000 It should.

02:43:47.000 You should take the dead one and hang it by his ankles. 1.00

02:43:50.000 Hang him from a tree with a picture of a human finger on it like this. 1.00

02:43:54.000 Figure it out, stupid. 1.00

02:43:55.000 I wouldn't do that to you. 1.00

02:43:56.000 Put shit on my car, you fucks. 1.00

02:43:58.000 Exactly. 1.00

02:43:59.000 We win.

02:44:00.000 We have guns, we have cities, we have cars.

02:44:02.000 Not the most conscious thing I've ever done.

02:44:03.000 Crows don't forget a face either.

02:44:04.000 If you're a dangerous person, there's been studies.

02:44:07.000 Oh, wow.

02:44:08.000 Yeah, so those magpies.

02:44:09.000 So we could put like my face on the scarecrow and they'd run away. 1.00

02:44:12.000 All right.

02:44:12.000 Oh, yeah.

02:44:12.000 To find Dave Asprey on Twitter, he is a BulletproofExec on Twitter.

02:44:18.000 And the website is bulletproofexec.com or bulletproof executive.

02:44:23.000 Exec.com.

02:44:24.000 Bulletproofexec.com. 1.00

02:44:25.000 And you got a lot of shit on that website. 0.99

02:44:27.000 Really fascinating website. 1.00

02:44:29.000 You could get lost on that website for a long ass time.

02:44:32.000 How long did you spend building that website?

02:44:34.000 I don't know how many hours, but it's been about three years.

02:44:36.000 Yeah, really, really fascinating stuff, man.

02:44:39.000 And by the way, folks, no notes. 0.99

02:44:41.000 He's just rattling this shit off on his head. 0.99

02:44:43.000 That's what's bizarre. 1.00

02:44:45.000 You come in here and just spew all this out like you're giving some sort of a college lecture on mycotoxins.

02:44:50.000 And it's all off the top of your head, dude.

02:44:52.000 It's very impressive stuff.

02:44:53.000 Thank you.

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02:44:58.000 And again, that one more time.

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02:46:03.000 That should be a lot of fun.

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02:46:11.000 Should be a good time.

02:46:12.000 And I'll be doing the fight for the troops in Kentucky on Wednesday.

02:46:16.000 I'll be doing the commentary for that for the UFC. 0.96

02:46:18.000 And then I'll see you fuckers this Saturday night in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada at the River Creek Casino with the lovely and talented Mr. Sam Tripoli. 0.98

02:46:26.000 And all right. 0.99

02:46:28.000 And next week, even more fun.

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02:46:38.000 There you go.

02:46:39.000 November 20th.

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02:46:47.000 All right, folks.

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02:46:50.000 Always fun.

The Joe Rogan Experience - November 05, 2013

Joe Rogan Experience #411 - Dave Asprey

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