The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #412 - Maynard James Keenan

00:00:03.000 Good googly moogly, ladies and gentlemen.

00:00:07.000 We're live.

00:00:08.000 Actually live?

00:00:09.000 That's it.

00:00:10.000 Actually live.

00:00:10.000 It's that easy.

00:00:11.000 We don't fuck around anymore, man. 0.99

00:00:13.000 That's pretty cool. 0.99

00:00:14.000 It's beyond cool.

00:00:17.000 This video that you gave me.

00:00:19.000 Let's get right to it, Joe.

00:00:21.000 First of all, I love the characters, and I see a reality show in your future.

00:00:26.000 I see a parody of a Duck Dynasty-type, Moonshiners-type situation, but far better.

00:00:34.000 With music. 1.00

00:00:35.000 Fuck it. 1.00

00:00:36.000 Genius guys who live out in the desert, who just happen to make amazing music and be completely retarded. 1.00

00:00:45.000 And think they're a punk rock band. 0.99

00:00:47.000 No, that's fucking great. 0.97

00:00:48.000 It's really interesting what you're doing. 0.97

00:00:50.000 I love how you're, you know, you don't have any rules. 0.56

00:00:53.000 You just do whatever the fuck you think is interesting and creative and mix the two of them together.

00:00:57.000 I mean, credit where credit is due when it comes to working with Laura Milligan and Mike King, her husband. 0.76

00:01:05.000 Laura's just like, she'll just go off on a tangent, and I'll just film it, you know?

00:01:11.000 And we just kind of go with it.

00:01:12.000 So you pick the right wig for the right tangent, and then you just go.

00:01:17.000 I like what you did, too, where you're mixing different styles of music.

00:01:20.000 You're mixing, like, legit country music.

00:01:22.000 And then some of the songs sound almost like Tool.

00:01:26.000 You know, some of the sounds have, like, your same type of vocals that you would in one of your Tool songs, but it's just got this completely different extra vibe to it.

00:01:36.000 Yeah, I think there's a lot of flexibility just because we are kind of a moving target, so when we start to kind of get inspired in some direction, we're not really confined to, you know, I love Slayer, but Slayer is Slayer.

00:01:49.000 Right, yeah.

00:01:50.000 They're not going to always put out a country record.

00:01:52.000 Yeah, no, that's kind of one of the cool things.

00:01:54.000 I really enjoy what you're doing. 0.99

00:01:55.000 You just do whatever the fuck you want to do. 0.98

00:01:57.000 You don't have a box that you have to fit in. 0.99

00:02:00.000 You're just doing what you feel like doing.

00:02:02.000 I would never expect you wearing a wig and playing this character.

00:02:05.000 I mean, you ride it too, man.

00:02:09.000 It's not like you just play it at the beginning. 0.99

00:02:11.000 No, it fucking keeps coming back. 1.00

00:02:13.000 It's really funny shit, man. 1.00

00:02:15.000 It's really funny shit. 0.99

00:02:16.000 Thank you. 0.98

00:02:18.000 What inspired you to make a half-country, half-comedy, half...

00:02:23.000 I think just watching...

00:02:27.000 I think we talked about this last time.

00:02:29.000 Monty Python movies.

00:02:31.000 Right.

00:02:32.000 You can't really pin them down.

00:02:35.000 Right.

00:02:36.000 And the meaning of life.

00:02:38.000 That's kind of how we did this new DVD. There's the whole documentaries at the beginning.

00:02:43.000 When you go out and watch the DVD again, you can actually skip the documentary if you want to, but it was important to see the documentary and see Billy Dee and Hildeberger so that you understood when they came back up later in the actual show, who the hell, who the fuck is that?

00:02:58.000 If you didn't see the documentary, you don't understand who those people are.

00:03:01.000 When you do the live shows, do you play the documentary first?

00:03:04.000 Yep.

00:03:06.000 That's our opening band.

00:03:09.000 That's a great idea, man.

00:03:11.000 And the live DVD that you filmed, was that in Phoenix?

00:03:14.000 Did you film it in Phoenix?

00:03:15.000 Yeah, Phoenix.

00:03:16.000 Still repping Arizona, baby.

00:03:18.000 That's where we are.

00:03:19.000 Have you seen the, there's been a lot of camera trap photos of jaguars?

00:03:24.000 They're starting to cross the same paths from Mexico into the United States that the drug guys do?

00:03:30.000 Jaguars the cars?

00:03:31.000 No, no, no.

00:03:33.000 Jaguar is in the native North American giant cat.

00:03:36.000 Yeah, yeah, there's, well we have like, I guess, are they called pumas?

00:03:42.000 Mountain lions.

00:03:43.000 Yeah, they have the mountain lions up around us, but we haven't actually, I haven't actually seen the jaguars coming up.

00:03:49.000 Yeah, there's not that many of them.

00:03:50.000 They're starting to take photos of them on camera traps.

00:03:52.000 Apparently a long time ago they were a native species in North America and now they're starting to make its way through your town.

00:03:58.000 Excellent.

00:04:01.000 Indeed.

00:04:02.000 So is winemaking season over for you now?

00:04:05.000 Yeah, I just wrapped up.

00:04:07.000 Had a good year.

00:04:09.000 A lot of interesting challenges, a lot of stuff that came up that I wanted to try.

00:04:15.000 Stuff that was going to give me a hard time, kind of give me trouble.

00:04:18.000 Well, that's another perfect example of you just not fitting in a box.

00:04:22.000 Oh, he makes wine.

00:04:24.000 Like, you don't just dabble in it. 0.99

00:04:26.000 You have a fucking vineyard, like a full-time set of employees, a vineyard. 0.99

00:04:30.000 You produce an excellent wine, a bunch of different ones. 1.00

00:04:34.000 It's really good stuff.

00:04:35.000 You know what you're doing.

00:04:36.000 I mean, you just threw yourself into winemaking.

00:04:39.000 Yeah, I mean, that's one of those, you know, you could pretty much read the back of a yeast packet to figure out, like, what to do to inoculate fruit.

00:04:46.000 But, you know, to really actually learn how to make wine, you just have to dive in, you know?

00:04:50.000 You can go to, I suppose you can go to, you know, college to get all the nuances and be taught how to make wine with fear in mind, but...

00:04:58.000 Just dive in and make it.

00:05:00.000 It's really, it's not that difficult to get over the first basic hump of, like, the 101s of it.

00:05:06.000 It's not that hard.

00:05:07.000 Then, you know, after that, then it's like the nuance is the, you know, the upper percent of just intuition, instincts.

00:05:16.000 Do you mingle at all with the people in the wine world?

00:05:19.000 Do you communicate with other people in the wine industry and go to conferences?

00:05:23.000 I've got guys on speed dial that I know that are world-class winemakers from around the world.

00:05:27.000 If I have a question that I think that they've seen the answer to or seen that challenge or seen that hurdle, I will not even hesitate to text or call or write or email or something just to go, okay, so here's the challenge or here's the thing I'm going to try.

00:05:45.000 And based on, you know, the kind of fruit that we get, because the fruit we get is not like you would get in Napa or get in, necessarily get in New Zealand.

00:05:56.000 It might be more specifically like Adelaide Hills, but not necessarily the Barossa.

00:06:00.000 You know, so there's, you know, different stuff.

00:06:03.000 Parts of Spain, maybe.

00:06:05.000 Parts of Italy, maybe.

00:06:07.000 Do you do anything to your soil?

00:06:09.000 Or do you just let it be what it is?

00:06:13.000 For the most part, you have to give it some food now and then, some kind of nutrients that are not going to cripple.

00:06:22.000 You don't want to give it steroids or anything like that, but you want to give it something that it needs if it needs a little extra dose of something.

00:06:28.000 So what do you do?

00:06:28.000 Do you add, like, minerals?

00:06:30.000 Yeah, yeah, if there's something that it's kind of short on.

00:06:33.000 How would you know?

00:06:34.000 You take petioles, you take the, you know, samples from the plant, you take samples from the soil.

00:06:40.000 We have, for moisture, we have a pressure balm that pressurizes the leaf to see how much moisture it actually needs today.

00:06:48.000 Wow.

00:06:49.000 And you give it, like, if it wants 10, you give it 9. Yeah, that's a thing about the grapes for wine.

00:06:55.000 They're supposed to suffer a little bit, right?

00:06:57.000 Why is that?

00:06:59.000 It just gets them stronger.

00:07:01.000 I mean, you know, you train jujitsu, there's suffering involved.

00:07:05.000 You're not going to get anywhere unless you are pushed a little bit.

00:07:08.000 Even as a grape?

00:07:10.000 Even as a grape.

00:07:12.000 Even as a celery, Joe.

00:07:14.000 Even as a celery.

00:07:15.000 I see.

00:07:16.000 I see now.

00:07:17.000 It all becomes clear.

00:07:18.000 How many years have you been doing this now?

00:07:20.000 I broke ground around 2001, 2002. Made my first wine in 2004. Wow.

00:07:27.000 I find that absolutely fascinating.

00:07:29.000 I've never once heard of a rock star who decided to not just make wine.

00:07:35.000 I mean, I suppose Sammy Hagar has a tequila, right?

00:07:40.000 How much is he really involved in it?

00:07:43.000 Is Sammy out there harvesting agave?

00:07:45.000 Is he pressing it?

00:07:49.000 I don't know.

00:07:50.000 I don't think so.

00:07:51.000 Okay.

00:07:52.000 I don't think so.

00:07:53.000 He's definitely not doing what you're doing, man.

00:07:55.000 No.

00:07:56.000 I mean, because for me, I have my staff in the tasting room.

00:08:00.000 So basically, come to Jerome.

00:08:01.000 There's a staff of people that, of course, rotate.

00:08:03.000 But we have Chris Turner who's my right-hand man in the vineyard.

00:08:07.000 I'm not a vineyard guy.

00:08:09.000 I'm in the cellar.

00:08:10.000 So Chris has his team of people in the actual vineyard making sure that they all have their finger on the pulse of what I'm looking for in the grapes to make the wine.

00:08:18.000 We have, of course, our shipping staff and, you know, the business affairs managers and stuff.

00:08:23.000 But in the cellar, it's just my wife and I. It's just us making the wine, pressing the grapes, inoculating.

00:08:30.000 So there's not actually a staff of people in the actual cellar because that's my house.

00:08:35.000 Wow.

00:08:35.000 So it's just us doing it.

00:08:37.000 I don't think people quite understand.

00:08:38.000 He can't make it.

00:08:39.000 It's Harvest.

00:08:41.000 So, wanted his employees to handle that.

00:08:44.000 I don't quite think you've been listening to me.

00:08:47.000 There's nobody in the cellar but me.

00:08:48.000 I mean, we have a couple guys.

00:08:49.000 I have a friend down the street that comes up and cleans up after me.

00:08:52.000 I have a guy that comes out at the beginning of the season because I'll buy some new equipment that I don't know how to use.

00:08:58.000 I go, Greg, make that work.

00:09:00.000 He'll go, okay, I'll read the directions.

00:09:03.000 We hate reading directions, so I'll just have Greg figure out how to make that go.

00:09:07.000 How do you piece together a team?

00:09:09.000 Like, when you decide that you're going to start making your own wine, you get a piece of land, you decide where you're going to grow grapes, you decide... 0.96

00:09:16.000 How the fuck do you piece together a team to create wine?

00:09:20.000 It's like anything else. 0.96

00:09:21.000 It's hit and miss.

00:09:22.000 Just figure out who has natural, you know, natural talent toward it or is willing to do all the work if they're not even naturally.

00:09:30.000 I mean, my wife doesn't. 1.00

00:09:31.000 She's not a chemist. 0.92

00:09:32.000 But she works the lab. 1.00

00:09:34.000 I went, guess what you're doing?

00:09:36.000 So she's like, I am.

00:09:37.000 So you're nine years into production, essentially, but 10, 11, 12 years into this project.

00:09:45.000 Is it still challenging for you?

00:09:46.000 Do you still enjoy it?

00:09:47.000 Yeah, because every year that I'm making wine on my own, you know, previous years, like from 2004 up to about 2009, I had other, you know, people, I was kind of like looking over their shoulder and trying to be involved in doing it.

00:09:59.000 But until 2010, you know, like part of nine, but part of 10, until I was actually in, you know, doing it myself, You're only going to learn that way.

00:10:11.000 You just dive in, basically.

00:10:14.000 Wow.

00:10:15.000 And now, how many months out of the year does it take to do that, and then the rest you devote to whatever else, like Pussifer or anything else you like doing?

00:10:23.000 Anything else, yeah.

00:10:28.000 Don't even look for me on August 1st.

00:10:30.000 August 1st to November 1st, don't even look.

00:10:32.000 I'm not around.

00:10:33.000 I'm dug in.

00:10:34.000 So for four months, you're gone.

00:10:36.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:10:38.000 Do you enjoy that, that you're committed to this, like, four-month project, that for four months you're accounted for, that's it, this is your life?

00:10:45.000 Yeah, I mean, it's nice to know that, you know, I'm going to be sleeping in my own bed.

00:10:49.000 Right.

00:10:50.000 And it's, you know, it's hard work.

00:10:51.000 You're up at, you know, I'm up at 630 doing punchdowns and just checking things out and make sure everything's, you know, not, you know, something didn't blow up or I forgot to seal something so it's leaking or, you know, there's just those tragic things that kind of happen in the cellar that you look over and the spout wasn't shut and there's,

00:11:07.000 like, Pinot Gris pouring onto the ground. 0.99

00:11:10.000 You're like, fuck! 1.00

00:11:12.000 Bonehead move, ran over and shut it. 1.00

00:11:15.000 It's such an interesting idea, but I love the fact that you figured out a way as a musician to guarantee that you're home for four months. 0.99

00:11:23.000 People don't know, musicians or comics, that fucking road gets sad, man. 0.95

00:11:29.000 It gets so boring, and it gets so weary. 0.99

00:11:33.000 It gets grueling.

00:11:34.000 Your body just, as you go forward in time...

00:11:39.000 There's no going back in time.

00:11:40.000 Your back doesn't get, you know, it doesn't get stronger from the journey.

00:11:44.000 It gets weaker.

00:11:45.000 Yeah, especially the travel. 0.99

00:11:47.000 We were talking about a guy that you know that had a blood clot from an airplane ride and was feeling like shit. 0.89

00:11:53.000 And I was telling you how I flew back from England and got sick. 0.99

00:11:56.000 The flights, every flight is like going on a bender.

00:12:00.000 It's like getting hammered.

00:12:01.000 Every one of them is just like, just wrecking your body like, oh, and skidding in the home plate.

00:12:06.000 That was fun.

00:12:07.000 Dumbling in the bed.

00:12:08.000 Not at all.

00:12:09.000 Yeah, it's very weary.

00:12:12.000 It really beats you down.

00:12:14.000 So then when that's over, November's done, do you just chillax for a little bit?

00:12:20.000 Last couple years, no, I would jump right into doing some stuff with Perfect Circle or Pussifer.

00:12:26.000 If the guys were ready with Tool, I would work with them, or maybe we'd go out and do some quick tour or something.

00:12:32.000 And that's only just to kind of You know, keep it alive and because you've done some work that you need to kind of tidy up and do something with.

00:12:39.000 Like we came out with conditions of my parole and I had to like, I had to promote that record so I had to get on the road right away in November.

00:12:46.000 That was a couple years ago.

00:12:48.000 And in between, you add some jiu-jitsu.

00:12:50.000 Yeah, that was the fun part this year.

00:12:53.000 Poor Matt Mitchell from Pustle Free came out to record some tracks with me.

00:12:59.000 I'm up at 6'7", out there doing my thing, and then I would come in and we'd try to work on a song or work on some tracks, and he was helping record some stuff.

00:13:07.000 And then I go, I gotta go, I gotta quickly distem this fruit, and then at 11.45, I've got to drive down the hill because I've got to go do jujitsu from noon to 1, and then I'll be back up here at 1.15.

00:13:25.000 We can do a vocal, but then I've got to press the chardonnay.

00:13:30.000 He's like... 1.00

00:13:31.000 Who the fuck are you? 1.00

00:13:33.000 And he's known you from long before this. 1.00

00:13:36.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:13:38.000 I toured with him.

00:13:39.000 First time I met him was on a Perfect Circle tour.

00:13:42.000 So what do these people think that have seen you pre-wine and post-wine?

00:13:46.000 Did they think originally, like, oh, this is just his new thing, he'll do it for a little bit, and then it's probably, you know, it'll last a year or so.

00:13:54.000 Twelve years later.

00:13:55.000 Twelve years later.

00:13:56.000 Twelve years later, how many bottles do you make a year now?

00:13:58.000 I did about...

00:14:00.000 I'm horrible at math.

00:14:03.000 This year I did about six and a half, 7,000 cases in my cellar. 1.00

00:14:08.000 Holy shit. 0.99

00:14:09.000 That's incredible. 1.00

00:14:11.000 How many acres are you growing on?

00:14:13.000 In northern Arizona, right now I have planted...

00:14:18.000 40, just under 40 planted, and only about 10 of those are actually producing at the moment.

00:14:25.000 Southern Arizona, my sister company, Arizona Stronghold, I have access to fruit from our vineyards down there, so there's a lot of growers all over the state, and there's growers just over the border into New Mexico as well, just over from those counties, so there's also kind of a mirror image terrain over in New Mexico with even more established vineyards than we have in Arizona.

00:14:47.000 So 40 acres you're planting on, but only 10 of them you're actually harvesting fruit from?

00:14:54.000 Yeah, and probably by next year I'll see a little bit more from the other 30, and then by 2015 I'll see full production from everything.

00:15:01.000 How does that work?

00:15:02.000 Do you have to do something in the soil?

00:15:03.000 Do you have to just get the grapes used to it?

00:15:05.000 Just plant it, and it takes you three to four years to see fruit off the vine once you plant it.

00:15:10.000 Really?

00:15:11.000 It's a commitment in time, for sure.

00:15:13.000 So you plant it, and is it just a matter of it growing, or is it...

00:15:17.000 Establishing.

00:15:18.000 You want to make sure...

00:15:18.000 And it all depends on what you're kind of going for.

00:15:20.000 You know, if you want to plant, like, tighter spacing and set fruit a little earlier on the plant when it's younger so it doesn't quite get big and kind of, like, almost stunt its growth in a way, you get some really concentrated fruit on a smaller vine.

00:15:38.000 But you've seen some that are, like, these huge old-school vines.

00:15:42.000 There's different schools of thought on that.

00:15:43.000 You got guys that pull out everything in 20 to 30 years or just pull everything out and start over because the vine might produce, you know, an eighth of what it was producing when it was younger.

00:15:54.000 And if it's not great, I mean, if it's like producing an eighth of, you know, that fruit and it's fantastic, just undeniable fruit, well, yeah, hang on to it.

00:16:01.000 But if it's not, most guys are pulling it out.

00:16:04.000 Wow.

00:16:05.000 Starting over.

00:16:05.000 Do you find that this whole process, you know, The whole process of creating this new thing and then getting involved in this completely new endeavor, does that do anything to the rest of your creativity?

00:16:16.000 Do you find that it opens up new possibilities for other things that you create?

00:16:20.000 I mean, yeah, it opens up other stuff because it's a whole different kind of creativity.

00:16:27.000 When you're in the cellar and you're just hovering over some of these wines, you're having to be kind of, you know...

00:16:37.000 You have to have the technique down.

00:16:39.000 You have to understand the process that you're going through.

00:16:41.000 But you also have these opportunities to go, okay, I have to make a creative decision right here.

00:16:46.000 There's a challenge that's come in.

00:16:48.000 Something comes in extremely ripe that you didn't expect it coming in extremely ripe because the numbers were just all over the map.

00:16:54.000 The sugars are extremely high, and it's just probably not even finished fermenting.

00:16:58.000 It's so ripe.

00:16:59.000 And then you have something come in that's completely underripe, and you go, hmm, if I put these together, they're right at the right number that I want, rather than trying to finish something that's not high enough sugar and something that's way too high sugar.

00:17:11.000 You know, there's little moments like that that happen that you just didn't expect and you can't plan.

00:17:16.000 It's just chaos, and you just have to just navigate the chaos.

00:17:19.000 Were you a big fan of wine before you did this, or is this just something that you just decided to slowly but surely step into?

00:17:28.000 I guess I had a great-grandfather who made wine in northern Italy, but I didn't know that until I was actually planting grapes.

00:17:34.000 Wow.

00:17:34.000 So you just dove in?

00:17:36.000 Dove in, yeah.

00:17:37.000 But I was into wine a little bit, you know, back in, I lived in Boston for a while, so I, you know, I enjoyed wine with my friend Kurt.

00:17:43.000 He worked at a nice Italian wine shop, so he'd always bring stuff home on the weekends, and we'd, you know, he would grill, and I would drink this wine, and, you know, years later I'd go, oh, wow, that was pretty, I think we're drinking some pretty awesome wine. 0.96

00:17:58.000 Yeah, I don't know shit about wine.

00:18:00.000 I have a really good friend who's a real connoisseur. 0.96

00:18:04.000 He has this gigantic room in his house that he constructed, that it's digitally set to a certain temperature.

00:18:10.000 I mean, he has this ridiculous collection of wine.

00:18:13.000 He's in the LA area? 0.63

00:18:14.000 Yeah, he lives in the Palisades.

00:18:17.000 He built this room onto his house before he moved into this house. 0.98

00:18:22.000 He's a nut.

00:18:23.000 And, you know, he can look at wine lists and tell you what's good this year, what's not.

00:18:28.000 I mean, he's constantly on top of it.

00:18:30.000 And he took me to a wine testing for his birthday.

00:18:33.000 Wine tasting, you know, they brought up different flights of wine.

00:18:37.000 It was all good to me.

00:18:39.000 But hearing people describe it, it's baffling.

00:18:43.000 The fruity taste, the tannin, the smoky mix.

00:18:46.000 Yeah, but people don't really get...

00:18:49.000 You don't have to know any of that stuff.

00:18:51.000 If you know somebody that owns a cool shop or has a nice tasting room like Matthew over at Coval, just go talk to Matthew about what they have on their list or go to Silver Lake Wine or talk to Randy or April or George to go, okay, what's open when you have their tastings?

00:19:07.000 And they just take notes on...

00:19:10.000 You have stuff in front of you.

00:19:12.000 Okay.

00:19:13.000 Write down, did I like it?

00:19:15.000 Did I not like it?

00:19:16.000 Did I not like it?

00:19:18.000 Just write down what you liked and what you didn't like and why.

00:19:20.000 If there's just a couple words like, I didn't like that because of this.

00:19:24.000 Or I like that because of this.

00:19:25.000 Write it down.

00:19:26.000 And then you just show them, like, write down, have them write down what the wines were that you had.

00:19:31.000 And not so much for you, but for them.

00:19:34.000 And come back again and do it again for some other flight or whatever.

00:19:38.000 And once you have some notes down, they're going to start to figure out what you might like.

00:19:44.000 And then they're going to go, okay, try this or try this and then come back and tell me if you liked it or not.

00:19:49.000 I tend to like the fruitier, like a Pinot Noir, like that kind of wine.

00:19:54.000 And again, don't even gravitate toward the Pinot.

00:19:58.000 Just taste stuff and then write down what it was and start kind of keeping a log or something of what that was.

00:20:04.000 Because if you have a pretty good intuitive person working at one of those wine shops, they can kind of go, okay...

00:20:11.000 Having poured you a hundred little tastes over the last couple months, we've narrowed down what you like.

00:20:18.000 Do you see yourself going into whiskey next?

00:20:20.000 Dude, I love Angel's Envy. 0.99

00:20:22.000 Angel's Envy? 0.54

00:20:23.000 What is that?

00:20:24.000 Can I plug?

00:20:25.000 Sure.

00:20:25.000 Why not?

00:20:26.000 What is it?

00:20:27.000 It's a mellow bourbon aged in port barrels.

00:20:33.000 It's super mellow.

00:20:35.000 In port barrels.

00:20:35.000 So they take the port, it pours out, and then they make the biscuit.

00:20:41.000 Wow.

00:20:41.000 They buy the barrels from somebody.

00:20:43.000 How does that affect the taste?

00:20:44.000 What is it supposed to do to the taste?

00:20:46.000 I couldn't tell you.

00:20:46.000 I'm not a whiskey guy, but I like that one.

00:20:49.000 That's it right there, Angel's Envy.

00:20:51.000 There you are.

00:20:53.000 Hello.

00:20:55.000 Do you see yourself doing anything else?

00:20:57.000 I mean, any other crazy ideas you have cooking in the back burner that you might get into?

00:21:01.000 I cook a little bit, but I don't think I would actually, I wouldn't go be a chef.

00:21:05.000 I would probably open up like a, you know, pizza place or something.

00:21:09.000 I could see you doing that, though.

00:21:10.000 I could totally see you becoming a chef somewhere.

00:21:12.000 Well, it started out, I just wanted to open up a restaurant.

00:21:15.000 And then here I am.

00:21:16.000 Wow.

00:21:17.000 Who wants pizza?

00:21:20.000 And always in Arizona.

00:21:22.000 Yeah.

00:21:23.000 Got a couple things up my sleeve in Arizona.

00:21:25.000 Brick oven pizza place. 0.98

00:21:27.000 Northern Arizona is pretty fucking badass. 0.75

00:21:29.000 Do you live near the mountains? 0.97

00:21:31.000 I'm near Sedona.

00:21:32.000 Oh, okay.

00:21:33.000 Yeah, that's an interesting spot.

00:21:35.000 Yep.

00:21:35.000 A lot of weirdos in Sedona.

00:21:37.000 You think?

00:21:38.000 A lot of people believe in crystal power.

00:21:42.000 Yeah.

00:21:43.000 Those are the people you just reach up and grab their leg and pull them down to the ground and stay here.

00:21:48.000 What happens to people?

00:21:50.000 How does that happen where you get a spot like Sedona, per se, where people gravitate towards their healers, in quotes?

00:21:58.000 I don't know.

00:21:59.000 I have no answer for that.

00:22:02.000 I have no answer for it either.

00:22:04.000 I've always been fascinated, though.

00:22:05.000 It's like, how does a spot like that come to be?

00:22:08.000 Well, I mean, you can...

00:22:10.000 If you've been in a decent-sized city, there's always going to be a spot.

00:22:14.000 For example, in LA, you've got Millie's over on Sunset.

00:22:20.000 What's that?

00:22:21.000 Millie's Cafe, Millie's Restaurant.

00:22:24.000 It's a little breakfast place over on Sunset.

00:22:27.000 That's always going to have a gathering of people on that spot.

00:22:30.000 Yeah?

00:22:31.000 It's like that morning spot.

00:22:32.000 I'm going to write that down.

00:22:32.000 I've never heard of it.

00:22:33.000 Millie's.

00:22:34.000 Millie's on Sunset.

00:22:36.000 Where?

00:22:38.000 Sunset in what, you know?

00:22:40.000 Just...

00:22:41.000 Say Silver Lake?

00:22:42.000 Yeah, it's in Silver Lake.

00:22:43.000 Just the side of Silver Lake Boulevard. 0.98

00:22:45.000 There's a lot of fucking cool spots down there. 0.98

00:22:48.000 Yeah, a lot. 0.97

00:22:49.000 But that's that one that just like, no matter what, no matter who owns that spot, there's always going to be people gathering in that spot for a cup of coffee or like some kind of, you know, sunrise kind of event.

00:22:59.000 A brunch.

00:23:01.000 If it's not called brunch someday.

00:23:04.000 Just like something.

00:23:04.000 Even if it ends up being a donut shop, there's always going to be something there where people gather in that spot.

00:23:10.000 And you kind of have to assign some kind of value to...

00:23:15.000 That energy you're talking about in Sedona to like those little, we'll call them vortexes.

00:23:20.000 Right.

00:23:21.000 There's some kind of gathering vortex at that spot.

00:23:24.000 Well, I think a lot of those places, especially in LA, they have this deep history of people returning to these spots.

00:23:32.000 And then it almost gets like seeped into the wood.

00:23:35.000 Places like the Comedy Store or...

00:23:38.000 You ever eat at Dan Tana's?

00:23:39.000 No.

00:23:40.000 Fantastic place.

00:23:41.000 It's one of the oldest school, old school restaurants in Hollywood.

00:23:45.000 It's on Santa Monica, right near Boys Town.

00:23:50.000 And it's this like super old school bar slash restaurant that hasn't changed the menu since 1966 or something like that. 0.98

00:23:59.000 Cooks a fucking tremendous steak, has amazing pasta, the waiters all wear tuxedos. 0.95

00:24:04.000 It's just one of those like super duper old school spots. 0.99

00:24:08.000 That's cool.

00:24:08.000 Yeah, and when you go in there, it's like Cantor's Deli.

00:24:12.000 You ever been to Cantor's Deli?

00:24:13.000 Oh, yeah.

00:24:13.000 Yeah, that feel, like, that place has been used, man.

00:24:16.000 It's just a, it's in the, you feel it.

00:24:19.000 Yeah.

00:24:20.000 You know, you can't get that in a new place.

00:24:22.000 I've been at Cantor's in years.

00:24:23.000 Oh, it's a classic.

00:24:25.000 That is a classic comic spot, because it's open 24 hours a day.

00:24:28.000 Yeah.

00:24:28.000 We go there all the time after food, or after shows.

00:24:32.000 Yeah, because the Largo's right across the street.

00:24:34.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:24:36.000 L.A. has so many of those really cool old-school spots that have just been around for so long.

00:24:45.000 And I think, back to our Sedona conversation, it's probably some version of that, where those spots just kind of have that...

00:24:52.000 And, you know, just in general, I was driving to L.A. from kind of the Sedona, Prescott area, and I forgot that the Yarnell fires, they kind of had the road closed off,

00:25:08.000 so I couldn't go that way.

00:25:10.000 But I thought, you know, a month had passed, and I figured everything wasn't fine yet.

00:25:14.000 So I get to a certain spot and there's of course a guy standing there going, psych, you can't go this way.

00:25:19.000 So I had to backtrack and then I kind of took another route that took me farther kind of back-tracked west-ish and kind of came back in.

00:25:33.000 There's an area out in that way where it's basically it's that kind of Sedona place where you go there, but there's no people.

00:25:40.000 There's no cell signal.

00:25:42.000 There's nothing.

00:25:42.000 It's just these crazy moon rock You know, setting with these Joshua trees and cacti just as far as the eye can see.

00:25:52.000 And it's like these crazy rolling hills.

00:25:55.000 It was like the coolest hour and a half, you know, added hour and a half to my trip.

00:26:00.000 It was completely worth it.

00:26:02.000 And when you see that kind of place, you can go, you can see how somebody who, you know, when Sedona isn't there yet, you can see how somebody would go, I want to start something here.

00:26:13.000 There's an energy here that I want to, like, you know, Did you see that video of those dopey Boy Scout guys who tipped over those hundred million year old rocks?

00:26:24.000 Did you see this?

00:26:26.000 You know, I think it's called Goblin Canyon.

00:26:28.000 There's an area of Utah that has these incredible...

00:26:32.000 Did they find the boys? 1.00

00:26:33.000 They made a video, these dumb fucks. 1.00

00:26:36.000 They made a video of pushing over this hundred million... 1.00

00:26:38.000 Did the rocks fall on them?

00:26:40.000 Unfortunately, no.

00:26:44.000 Is it too late?

00:26:45.000 Yeah, it's too late.

00:26:46.000 I don't think you can glue it back.

00:26:48.000 What do I mean?

00:26:49.000 Is it too late to... 1.00

00:26:50.000 To kill them? 1.00

00:26:51.000 I didn't say that out loud. 1.00

00:26:53.000 I did. 1.00

00:26:56.000 Yeah, they're too stupid to be held responsible, unfortunately. 1.00

00:27:00.000 But they did get fired from the Boy Scouts. 1.00

00:27:03.000 Which, yeah, that sucks.

00:27:06.000 But the point is, it was one of these really cool ancient structures where it's this... 0.84

00:27:13.000 This giant like top like a mushroom cap almost and it's just all this wind and sand has eroded it to the point where this is like this little peak that's holding this thing in place and it was so fucking cool looking and these tools just decided to tip it over.

00:27:30.000 Did you find it?

00:27:30.000 There's ads on everything.

00:27:31.000 What's that?

00:27:32.000 There's ads on them?

00:27:34.000 Of course there are because it's what happens when a video gets 10 million hits in a week.

00:27:40.000 Whoops.

00:27:41.000 No worries there for me.

00:27:43.000 Those structures are so cool, though.

00:27:45.000 It's so interesting when you see something that's been created by hundreds of millions of years of erosion.

00:27:52.000 I was in a cave in Colorado.

00:27:56.000 There's the thing.

00:27:57.000 These things.

00:27:59.000 So that's 170 million years old or something like that, this structure. 1.00

00:28:06.000 And these fucking idiots push this thing over. 1.00

00:28:14.000 I mean, it's like a Coen Brothers movie. 1.00

00:28:21.000 You're hired.

00:28:29.000 Yeah.

00:28:30.000 Cut it. 0.63

00:28:32.000 So sad.

00:28:34.000 But those things, that area, Goblin Valley, is another one of those sort of Those spots where you drive through it has such an impact. 1.00

00:28:46.000 Where it draws idiots. 1.00

00:28:47.000 Those fuckheads. 1.00

00:28:50.000 Hopefully people will learn from the reaction to this and it'll never happen again. 1.00

00:28:55.000 There's still a lot of really cool shit there. 0.62

00:28:59.000 One time I went on one of those publicity flights for the Blue Angels. 0.98

00:29:04.000 They took us.

00:29:06.000 You go down to San Diego and then from San Diego you cut across deep into the desert and And it looks like that.

00:29:13.000 It has all these incredible rocks and weird formations and desert.

00:29:19.000 There's something badass about that, man.

00:29:21.000 Is that the area?

00:29:23.000 Yeah, there's a lot of those things there.

00:29:26.000 And it's all just wind and erosion that's caused all this stuff.

00:29:31.000 That's pretty amazing.

00:29:32.000 Yeah, the desert southwest of Of this country has some really fucking interesting landscape and fascinating energy to it, too.

00:29:41.000 I'll try to text you or email you with the exact area that it was that I was driving through. 0.77

00:29:47.000 Cool.

00:29:47.000 But you can basically make sure you bring water.

00:29:52.000 Yeah, right.

00:29:53.000 Because for some reason, if your car breaks down, there's no signal.

00:29:56.000 You're not getting out of there.

00:29:58.000 Yeah, what do you do?

00:29:58.000 You have to wait for someone to rescue you.

00:30:00.000 There's people out there.

00:30:02.000 You go by ranches and stuff throughout that area.

00:30:08.000 Yeah, that's when counting on humanity gets very sketchy.

00:30:13.000 You don't realize how vulnerable you are until your car runs out of gas in the middle of the desert. 1.00

00:30:17.000 And you're like, oh shit. 0.99

00:30:20.000 Okay, this is not just a matter of convenience. 1.00

00:30:22.000 This is a matter of we might dehydrate to death out here.

00:30:25.000 Yeah.

00:30:26.000 There was actually a mixed martial arts fighter, former UFC champion Evan Tanner, who went on this sort of vision quest in Death Valley and wound up getting disoriented, lost his water, and died.

00:30:39.000 Decided he was going to go camping.

00:30:41.000 Don't do that.

00:30:42.000 Don't get all, like, into the wild on people.

00:30:45.000 Too late.

00:30:48.000 Yeah, he did it.

00:30:49.000 He died.

00:30:50.000 No, that's not good.

00:30:51.000 Yeah, it was definitely not good.

00:30:53.000 But he was an interesting cat.

00:30:55.000 He was the type of guy that, you know, he was a...

00:30:58.000 Whether or not it was a smart move, it was a typical Evan Tanner sort of self-discovery type of a journey.

00:31:07.000 And he did a lot of those.

00:31:09.000 And most of them he came through.

00:31:10.000 But some of them, you know, this one obviously didn't work out for him.

00:31:14.000 Mm-mm.

00:31:15.000 We're good to go.

00:31:37.000 Yeah, I think, but you know, when you're going to do a thing like that, you probably should prepare to be tested.

00:31:43.000 Exactly.

00:31:44.000 It's like the Into the Wild movie, the same thing.

00:31:46.000 I mean, the movie's infuriating.

00:31:47.000 The book is infuriating.

00:31:48.000 The story's infuriating.

00:31:50.000 There's a 7-11.

00:31:52.000 Yeah.

00:31:52.000 You don't have to do that, man.

00:31:55.000 Well, not only that, if you're gonna do that, if you're gonna do that into the wild shit, man, you should take... 0.98

00:32:00.000 If you really respect nature, well, you should fucking prepare for it for a long time. 0.99

00:32:05.000 You should really know what you're doing. 0.98

00:32:06.000 Like, I am in love with these subsistence shows...

00:32:10.000 Like these shows, like these Alaska shows where these people, they live off the land and trapping and hunting and fishing. 0.98

00:32:17.000 But they fucking know what they're doing. 0.98

00:32:18.000 And they've been doing it a long time. 0.99

00:32:20.000 And they have like cabins set up along the way, like in case they get trapped outside.

00:32:24.000 They know that they just have to get a half mile down the road and they can get to this cabin.

00:32:28.000 There's dry wood inside of it.

00:32:30.000 They can start a fire.

00:32:31.000 There's matches.

00:32:32.000 Everything's ready to rock and roll.

00:32:34.000 Overprepared.

00:32:35.000 Exactly.

00:32:36.000 Duh.

00:32:36.000 They're ready.

00:32:37.000 I mean, they're in Alaska. 0.99

00:32:38.000 It's 50 fucking degrees below zero. 0.99

00:32:39.000 If you're a runner... 0.99

00:32:40.000 And you're like a, you know, a semi-distance runner, like a four-mile runner or, you know, like a 10k or whatever.

00:32:46.000 You do sprints and you do marathons for training.

00:32:50.000 You do the extremes.

00:32:52.000 Yeah.

00:32:52.000 And you do it often and you do it well and then you go do your race.

00:32:56.000 Well, it's also, if you really do respect that area, if you really do respect the wilderness, you've got to prepare for it.

00:33:04.000 You really have to prepare to respect it.

00:33:08.000 It's the only way you can respect it.

00:33:09.000 Because by going out there unprepared, you're disrespecting it. 0.92

00:33:12.000 And it doesn't give a fuck about you. 0.99

00:33:14.000 It doesn't give a fuck about your ego. 0.99

00:33:16.000 It doesn't give a fuck how, you know, a lot of guys might get lost out here, but I got a natural sense of the woods. 1.00

00:33:21.000 It's not hearing that shit. 1.00

00:33:23.000 It's not hearing that shit. 1.00

00:33:24.000 No. 1.00

00:33:25.000 No.

00:33:25.000 It'll dry you out and turn you into coyote food.

00:33:27.000 Yeah, it's gonna school you, for sure.

00:33:30.000 Do you enjoy the fact that there's, like, less humans out where you are?

00:33:33.000 Do you feel that there's a benefit in that?

00:33:37.000 Yep.

00:33:38.000 There is, right?

00:33:39.000 Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

00:33:41.000 I mean, you know, it's all a matter of perspective and, I guess...

00:33:49.000 It's a microcosm, macrocosm kind of situation where if you're in a big city like this, you're going to see a cross-section of a certain kind of people.

00:33:58.000 My friend Todd today was just talking about the talking in reference to just any kind of infrastructure or hierarchy. 0.95

00:34:08.000 You got your 10% that are kicking ass. 0.90

00:34:11.000 You got your 80% that are just kind of coasting. 1.00

00:34:13.000 You got your 10% that suck. 0.96

00:34:15.000 So you're going to end up, if it's LA or if it's like a 400 population town, you're going to have similar percentages. 0.98

00:34:23.000 There's going to be 10% that care and know what they're doing or want to know what they're doing and then 80% that are just there and then 10% that you just want to run over.

00:34:37.000 That's the one good thing about being in a place like New York City or LA where there's a large population is that 10% is a larger number.

00:34:45.000 You can cultivate a good group of them.

00:34:47.000 Yeah, but you have to go out and find them.

00:34:50.000 Yeah, you've got to find them, you've got to keep them close, and you've got to feed off of each other.

00:34:54.000 And then hopefully encourage some other people, perhaps that are in the other 80%, to break free.

00:35:00.000 Maybe tip the numbers a bit.

00:35:03.000 I agree.

00:35:03.000 When you die 75. Because we're all capable.

00:35:05.000 We're all capable of, you know, learning, doing.

00:35:09.000 Do you feel a responsibility for that or towards that as an artist?

00:35:13.000 Do you ever feel like because of what you're doing, because you're so motivated, you get so much done, you have so many different projects going, do you realize the impact of that? 0.85

00:35:23.000 Because a lot of people are inspired by not just the work ethic that you have, but how much quality shit you produce, whether it's wine or music. 0.91

00:35:32.000 I appreciate the compliment. 0.96

00:35:35.000 I think you can't really worry about it.

00:35:37.000 You just got to do what it is you're doing.

00:35:40.000 And for me, I just have to do what I'm doing.

00:35:42.000 There's a sense of responsibility for the art or for the process and just for myself.

00:35:49.000 I care about what I'm doing.

00:35:51.000 If I start caring about what you think about what I'm doing or whether it's going to be helping you, then I'm an assisted living employee.

00:35:59.000 You said something in your video that was very unpretentious but had the potential to be massively pretentious.

00:36:06.000 But it wasn't because you were being honest.

00:36:08.000 And what you're saying is that life is too short to not create with every breath you take.

00:36:14.000 Right.

00:36:15.000 But when you said it, the audience cheered.

00:36:18.000 It was a real moment.

00:36:20.000 They recognized that real moment. 0.99

00:36:23.000 But goddamn, the wrong person could say that. 1.00

00:36:25.000 And you're like, well, you just shut the fuck up. 1.00

00:36:28.000 Create with every breath. 0.99

00:36:29.000 Oh, please.

00:36:30.000 Yeah, we get that all the time.

00:36:31.000 Yeah, but...

00:36:32.000 You really mean it.

00:36:33.000 If you really mean it, it is inspiring, and that's where the cheer in the audience comes from. 0.98

00:36:38.000 People fucking love that. 0.99

00:36:40.000 They love when someone is motivated to make shit, motivated to put out art, motivated to test themselves creatively. 1.00

00:36:48.000 It's exciting. 0.98

00:36:49.000 I have a lot of people around me, especially within the music, within the film, within the animation, all those things, but especially In the vineyards and the restaurant stuff, I see people that are just, every day,

00:37:04.000 I'm inspired by their work ethic.

00:37:07.000 Because, you know, we were talking about a restaurant.

00:37:10.000 Like, that's not a whim.

00:37:12.000 That's not something you can kind of just start on a whim and not expect to be responsible for keeping the boat floating.

00:37:17.000 That's like, you know, I see there's a restaurant in...

00:37:20.000 In Arizona called F&B, Pavle and Charlene, and just watching what they go through, but not go through, that's the wrong way to put it, but just their process and their motivation and their fire.

00:37:37.000 Their drive just it's very inspiring And then a lot of the winemakers that I know in the state as well They're just you're watching them go through their changes and you're watching them go Where they discover a new thing about a new potential of what they can do and how much better they can make it and You know just see you just see that process.

00:37:55.000 It's really inspiring.

00:37:56.000 Do you watch any of Anthony Bourdain's TV shows?

00:37:59.000 Do you know who he is?

00:38:01.000 Yeah He had the No Reservation show, and now the new show is...

00:38:06.000 His wife trains with Henzo.

00:38:07.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:38:08.000 His wife's good, man. 0.90

00:38:10.000 I saw their kid training there when I was there last.

00:38:13.000 Isn't that hilarious?

00:38:14.000 Yeah, she's badass. 1.00

00:38:15.000 She's at the fights constantly.

00:38:18.000 I've never actually met Anthony, and I've seen some of the shows.

00:38:22.000 He's a great guy.

00:38:23.000 I heard he has a new one that's kind of fun.

00:38:25.000 Yes.

00:38:25.000 What is it called?

00:38:26.000 Parts Unknown?

00:38:27.000 Parts Unknown?

00:38:28.000 Yeah, and it's basically the same show.

00:38:32.000 But this one he has more control of, and now it's on CNN, it's got a bigger budget.

00:38:36.000 But the show, the one that he had on the Travel Channel, was the first experience that I had ever had with chefs.

00:38:44.000 Like, I knew that I liked good food, and I kind of understand that it takes a special person to make good food.

00:38:50.000 But I'd never understood how intensive the process is or how creative the process is.

00:38:56.000 I mean, he explores some really boutique restaurants where these guys grow their own food, hunt their own meat.

00:39:03.000 And there's one place in Spain, I think it was.

00:39:06.000 I think it's closed.

00:39:07.000 It was called El Bulli, where this guy was, this head chef was this legendary guy who brought in all these amazing chefs. 0.96

00:39:15.000 And they would just create these fucking intense works of art. 0.92

00:39:24.000 Right, right. 0.98

00:39:30.000 You know, but at the same time, as intense as they are about those unique dishes, you'll also catch them eating a bowl of popcorn.

00:39:38.000 Yes.

00:39:38.000 Yeah, why not?

00:39:39.000 Well, Bourdain's a big one on street food. 0.99

00:39:42.000 He loves, like, street tacos and shit. 0.99

00:39:44.000 I mean, why not? 0.99

00:39:45.000 Why be pretentious about it?

00:39:47.000 It's all about the full spectrum of these...

00:39:50.000 Kind of like that film, Perfume.

00:39:53.000 What is that?

00:39:55.000 Was it dubbed?

00:39:58.000 Yeah.

00:39:59.000 Intense movie about this guy.

00:40:03.000 It's got a perfume, a story of murder, I think is what the title is, right?

00:40:06.000 Is that right?

00:40:07.000 Yep.

00:40:08.000 And it starts going off about this child who was born in poverty that...

00:40:16.000 We had such an incredible sense of smell.

00:40:19.000 He didn't differentiate bad smells from good smells.

00:40:22.000 He just could smell everything and he was very good at deciphering all these smells.

00:40:29.000 I'm not gonna spoil it for you.

00:40:30.000 You gotta see it.

00:40:31.000 I'm not gonna watch it.

00:40:32.000 You can spoil it.

00:40:33.000 It's awesome.

00:40:33.000 Is it really good?

00:40:35.000 This is the trailer right here?

00:40:36.000 It's pretty awesome.

00:40:39.000 It's pretty intense.

00:40:46.000 Dude's a creeper. 0.99

00:40:47.000 He's a creeper. 0.80

00:40:50.000 I think it's got Dustin Hoffman, huh?

00:40:52.000 I read about a polar bear today, or a dog they trained to smell if polar bears are pregnant.

00:40:59.000 You have to.

00:41:01.000 Just stop and think of that.

00:41:03.000 How specific is that?

00:41:05.000 A dog trained to tell if polar bears are pregnant.

00:41:11.000 So does he just kind of sit around...

00:41:14.000 Almost like a firefighter kind of waiting for a fire.

00:41:18.000 Das Parfum.

00:41:21.000 Ooh.

00:41:24.000 Good movie?

00:41:24.000 You recommend that?

00:41:25.000 Yeah, I do.

00:41:26.000 Okay, I'll get something.

00:41:27.000 I gotta fly to Kentucky tomorrow. 1.00

00:41:29.000 I'll throw that bitch on the laptop. 1.00

00:41:31.000 It's pretty fun. 1.00

00:41:32.000 I think you'll enjoy it.

00:41:33.000 If you don't enjoy it...

00:41:35.000 I'll recommend another movie you want to enjoy.

00:41:37.000 Okay.

00:41:38.000 Sounds like a good deal.

00:41:41.000 A dog that can smell if a polar bear is pregnant.

00:41:44.000 They say that the best way to describe how good a dog's nose is is skunks.

00:41:50.000 Because that's the one time where we can smell parts per million.

00:41:54.000 The skunk is so, the scent is so strong that we actually can catch that scent from blocks and blocks away.

00:42:02.000 Very much like a dog can smell things.

00:42:05.000 Okay.

00:42:06.000 Yeah, which is pretty an interesting way of exploring the idea because otherwise it seems like intangible.

00:42:12.000 Well, when, yeah, when we have javelina around Arizona and as soon as the javelina are coming and we're near the vineyard or near their yard, the dog is up.

00:42:22.000 Yeah.

00:42:22.000 He can smell them.

00:42:23.000 Already.

00:42:24.000 Well, they're scary animals.

00:42:25.000 Not even in the yard yet.

00:42:26.000 They're up and they can tell.

00:42:28.000 Those are freaky things, man.

00:42:29.000 You ever seen when they hunt javelinas?

00:42:32.000 It's pretty intense.

00:42:33.000 They're one of the few animals that when you call them, they come running.

00:42:38.000 Like if you make a sound like an injured animal, they don't sort of like sneak around or try to...

00:42:45.000 Dart.

00:42:45.000 They come running straight towards that sound.

00:42:48.000 And then they realize there's a person there that, yikes!

00:42:51.000 They haul it and turn around and run the other way.

00:42:54.000 But they supposedly taste great. 0.93

00:42:55.000 They taste very much like a wild pig.

00:42:58.000 Yeah, but it's one of those situations where if you don't field dress them properly, they've got some weird glands that'll just ruin all the meat. 0.91

00:43:08.000 You cut the wrong gland and it's done.

00:43:10.000 Yeah, probably the tarsal glands. 1.00

00:43:13.000 Yeah, they're stinky fucking animals. 1.00

00:43:15.000 But they have to be, man. 1.00

00:43:17.000 They have to be wild, hardy bitches. 1.00

00:43:19.000 They're living out there in the desert, man. 1.00

00:43:21.000 That's what they look like. 0.73

00:43:23.000 Just like a freaky, small, wild pig-looking thing. 0.96

00:43:27.000 And people keep telling me that they actually have more in common with a rat than a pig. 0.69

00:43:33.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:43:34.000 But that looks like a fucking pig to me. 1.00

00:43:37.000 Yeah, it looks like a pig to me, too. 1.00

00:43:39.000 But... 1.00

00:43:39.000 I guess a rat kind of looks like a pig, too. 1.00

00:43:42.000 They're just small. 0.90

00:43:43.000 I have no desire to eat them, so they must not be a pig because I love a bacon.

00:43:47.000 They apparently taste really good. 0.76

00:43:49.000 They taste very much like pig.

00:43:51.000 Wild pig is supposed to be the best.

00:43:53.000 I've never had a wild pig.

00:43:54.000 There's got to be some place in LA that serves javelina.

00:43:56.000 Some place in LA has to serve javelina.

00:43:59.000 You would assume, right?

00:44:00.000 Let's find out.

00:44:01.000 I bet it's really hard to get commercial javelina, though.

00:44:04.000 You know, you'd have to hire hunters to go out and get it for you.

00:44:06.000 What kind of a supply could you actually get?

00:44:09.000 What's that place that's up in like Malibu?

00:44:12.000 It's like that kind of game restaurant.

00:44:15.000 Oh yeah.

00:44:16.000 The Saddle Peak Lodge.

00:44:18.000 I wonder if they have it.

00:44:19.000 I don't think so.

00:44:20.000 I was there recently.

00:44:21.000 They have like elk and venison and things along those lines and pheasant.

00:44:26.000 I don't think they have javelina.

00:44:27.000 That's pretty freaky.

00:44:29.000 You gotta go to New Mexico to get javelina.

00:44:30.000 Just call them and say, step up.

00:44:33.000 Yeah, call them and say, listen, man.

00:44:34.000 I'll come in.

00:44:37.000 Javelina tacos.

00:44:38.000 If you have polar bear period-sniffing dog steaks and javelina.

00:44:44.000 There was a website that was selling exotic meat from animals like lions.

00:44:50.000 They were selling lion meat and Also, Javelina Cantina?

00:44:55.000 What is that?

00:44:55.000 It's Sedona, Arizona.

00:44:56.000 Oh, do they really sell javelina there, though?

00:44:58.000 Probably not.

00:44:59.000 No, that's like a Friday's.

00:45:02.000 That's a TGI Friday's.

00:45:04.000 But in Arizona, it's more like a Thursday.

00:45:07.000 They take a day off early?

00:45:09.000 A little more laid back.

00:45:10.000 A little longer weekend.

00:45:11.000 It's hot. 0.99

00:45:12.000 Yeah, it's hot as fuck in the summertime, man. 1.00

00:45:15.000 And then you get that Sheriff Alpaio dickwad. 0.99

00:45:19.000 You know who that guy is?

00:45:20.000 You don't know who Sheriff Arpaio is?

00:45:22.000 You guys have the most controversial sheriff in the entire country.

00:45:26.000 Down south around Tucson?

00:45:28.000 He's the guy that puts everybody in pink underwear and pink jumpsuits and has the men stay outside in tents, no air conditioning, makes them work.

00:45:39.000 It sounds like college. 0.99

00:45:42.000 I think there's more butt-fucking than regular college. 1.00

00:45:45.000 I think he's just this really controversial, conservative guy. 0.97

00:45:52.000 Yeah, see the photo of these guys?

00:45:55.000 He puts them in this clean and sober, I guess.

00:45:58.000 He had Mike Tyson in one of those, apparently. 0.99

00:46:02.000 And didn't get knocked the fuck out? 0.58

00:46:05.000 No, I mean, he's pretty insulated by the time you get to him. 0.80

00:46:09.000 There's quite a few people with guns in the way.

00:46:11.000 True.

00:46:12.000 But he's famous for sort of representing Arizona.

00:46:16.000 We have a lot of those people.

00:46:19.000 Like the governor, that Jan Brewer chick? 0.97

00:46:24.000 She's one of the few people that I've ever seen give a debate where I was like, hmm, I could be a governor. 0.87

00:46:35.000 I was listening to her talk and I was like, I could do that job.

00:46:39.000 I could definitely beat her. 1.00

00:46:40.000 George Bush wasn't enough?

00:46:41.000 You had to wait until you heard Jan Brewer speak?

00:46:43.000 No, I don't think I could be president.

00:46:44.000 I have too many skeletons.

00:46:46.000 But I could be a governor.

00:46:48.000 I could totally...

00:46:48.000 They'll let you get away with a few skeletons if you're a governor.

00:46:51.000 True.

00:46:51.000 I mean, none of them are bad.

00:46:52.000 I've never done any real crimes.

00:46:54.000 I don't have any bodies or anything like that.

00:46:56.000 Drug use.

00:46:57.000 I've said a few things.

00:47:00.000 But...

00:47:00.000 Said a few things might come back to haunt me, but I watch her give debates, and I'm like, oh, this is hilarious.

00:47:07.000 And then she won.

00:47:08.000 I mean, I watched a debate where she was just absolutely stumped.

00:47:12.000 Yeah, I realized I could beat this chick. 1.00

00:47:13.000 All I have to do is prepare a little.

00:47:15.000 This ain't hard. 0.99

00:47:16.000 How the fuck did she win? 0.98

00:47:17.000 How is she your governor? 1.00

00:47:18.000 How is that?

00:47:19.000 I don't know.

00:47:19.000 You didn't vote for her, did you?

00:47:21.000 No.

00:47:22.000 How far away is the place you train jiu-jitsu?

00:47:25.000 Is it a real town?

00:47:26.000 Yeah, it's in Cottonwood.

00:47:29.000 So it's a small dojo.

00:47:32.000 Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, it used to be one point in time it was super hard to find a good Jiu Jitsu gym.

00:47:37.000 Guys would buy like VHS tapes and train each other and now it's so amazing.

00:47:42.000 There's guys in Prescott now, there's guys in Cottonwood.

00:47:45.000 I think there might be guys in Sedona, but there's definitely guys in Prescott and Cottonwood.

00:47:48.000 Well Arizona itself is a huge hotbed for mixed martial arts.

00:47:52.000 You know, you've got the Lab, which is where Benson Henderson comes from, John Crouch's place.

00:47:57.000 Then you've got Power MMA, which is where, you know, Aaron Simpson, C.B. Dalloway, a lot of, like, big-name MMA fighters.

00:48:05.000 A lot of guys come out of Arizona.

00:48:07.000 Megaton Studios there.

00:48:09.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:48:11.000 Yeah, it's really interesting how that sport has...

00:48:16.000 It's opened up the door for not even people that want to compete in MMA, but people that are just interested in exploring martial arts.

00:48:25.000 You know, the amount of legit martial arts schools is probably at an all-time high in this country now.

00:48:30.000 Yep.

00:48:31.000 Yeah, I would agree.

00:48:33.000 I just got back from training with my friends in St. Louis.

00:48:38.000 I hurt my wrist.

00:48:40.000 How much training do you do when you're on the road?

00:48:43.000 On the road it's harder.

00:48:44.000 Way harder.

00:48:45.000 I mean, you know, if we have a day where we can go in and train and we have like a nice day off or a day off, you know, two days off, then I can risk it.

00:48:54.000 But, you know, to go in and just, there's what time, you know, when would you do it on a show day?

00:49:01.000 There's just no way. 0.83

00:49:02.000 But you've been involved in one form or another, at least peripherally in martial arts, for a long fucking time now, right? 0.95

00:49:08.000 Yeah. 0.57

00:49:08.000 I saw a photo of you with BJ Penn back when, you know, he was like a purple belt. 0.57

00:49:13.000 I got injured in like 2003 or 2002, actually before that, and then it just kind of compounded, and then I had to just stop around 2003. That was the back thing, right?

00:49:26.000 Yeah.

00:49:26.000 This is what I got drawn out of my blood.

00:49:29.000 This is what pushed me over the top and gave me the flu.

00:49:32.000 I'm going to pull this up for you. 0.99

00:49:34.000 You see this fucking ridiculous amount of blood they sucked out of my body. 1.00

00:49:38.000 Come on! 1.00

00:49:39.000 Yeah.

00:49:41.000 Jello shots, let's go. 1.00

00:49:43.000 That's what they take and heat up and then spin in the centrifuge.

00:49:48.000 I'll let you know how it works out, but I've been dealing with a back injury for the past...

00:49:55.000 All together for about four or five years now, but pretty bad over the last year and a half, on and off, and started to get numbness in my hands and things along those lines, where I was realizing that my nerves were getting impeded and smushed, and I realized I had to do something about it.

00:50:12.000 So I don't have any of the symptoms anymore, but this is supposed to do an amazing job.

00:50:17.000 You did that here?

00:50:18.000 Yeah, I did it in Santa Monica.

00:50:19.000 Okay.

00:50:20.000 Well, they do it in Germany, and that's where I was going.

00:50:22.000 Dana White has been going over there for...

00:50:24.000 He has Meniere's disease, which is something to do with the inner ear and makes vertigo and tinnitus.

00:50:34.000 He gets like this ring in his ear and like literally can't stand up, loses his balance.

00:50:39.000 But the guy who developed this process in Germany trained a bunch of other doctors and now They're doing it in Santa Monica as well.

00:50:48.000 So I just went in today.

00:50:50.000 You're my guinea pig then.

00:50:51.000 I'm in.

00:50:52.000 I just got the first injections today, but I'm with you.

00:50:55.000 Old dudes with back problems.

00:50:56.000 Salute.

00:50:57.000 Hey. 0.91

00:51:00.000 It's the one thing that does suck about About training. 0.59

00:51:03.000 Your body's your vehicle.

00:51:05.000 It's not a race car.

00:51:07.000 It's just fleshy.

00:51:08.000 In general, wrestling and jujitsu, it's just brutal.

00:51:14.000 It's not just going into a gym and there's a direction that this weight machine moves and that's it.

00:51:21.000 Yeah.

00:51:22.000 It's every direction.

00:51:23.000 That's why it's so critical to find good training partners.

00:51:27.000 Just like we were talking about cultivating good friends, cultivating good training partners is another one.

00:51:33.000 There's a few guys at 10th Planet Jiu-Jitsu that I know I can count on to not spaz out, to be technical.

00:51:40.000 And I'm still learning that.

00:51:41.000 Even now, I'm so used to my wrestling background where it's like, go, go, go.

00:51:47.000 And I'm having to go slow, slow, slow.

00:51:52.000 Yeah.

00:51:53.000 If you've watched, like, really high-level guys go at it, one of the more fascinating aspects of it is it looks like there's very little effort being applied, you know, especially when they're sparring.

00:52:05.000 A little bit more so when they're competing.

00:52:07.000 When they're competing, you know, they're going after it.

00:52:09.000 But when they're sparring, like, a lot of times these guys are just sort of rolling around, it seems like.

00:52:14.000 They're flowing.

00:52:15.000 It's like walk, walk, walk, sprint, walk, walk.

00:52:19.000 Never give the guy a position where he could sprint to the finish line.

00:52:23.000 Always make him, he's got four or five steps before he can sprint, because a regular person won't see the difference between that, between what looks like casual rolling, and even though they're casually rolling, he's always going to be two or three spots away from the finish line.

00:52:39.000 It's chess.

00:52:41.000 Yeah, it really is, and that's something that I've found when we're talking about things that inspire you creatively.

00:52:48.000 I get inspired by people who have a lot of discipline for jiu-jitsu.

00:52:53.000 I get inspired by people that are constantly creating and putting a new slant on that.

00:53:03.000 Jiu-jitsu is very much an art form.

00:53:05.000 I mean, the word martial art, it seems wrong to people that don't participate in it.

00:53:10.000 Like, the word art seems like the wrong thing.

00:53:12.000 But when you do it, you realize, like, if you watch it and you see, if you have an aptitude for it, you understand it, and you see what's going on, then you watch someone who's really good at it, it becomes beautiful.

00:53:24.000 And then it does become an art.

00:53:26.000 It is something, not just an art as far as, like, something creative, but an art, like, as in something visually beautiful.

00:53:33.000 Mm-hmm.

00:53:34.000 And very, very inspirational, man, I think.

00:53:37.000 And it's also another one of those things that I think, like creating wine, like putting together a band, like putting together a comedy act, like writing a novel, like these things that we do when we put our thoughts and our creativity into something,

00:53:53.000 they sort of, they don't just exist in a vacuum, but they sort of enhance all the other aspects of our life, too.

00:54:02.000 I agree.

00:54:03.000 Yeah.

00:54:04.000 And just in general, I mean, there's just that whole physical aspect of making the blood go through your system and being in shape.

00:54:12.000 You just start thinking more clearly.

00:54:14.000 You're more creative.

00:54:17.000 You can kind of you can kind of solve puzzles better if you're just if you're if I notice if I just I just need a break and I just start slouching off It starts to kind of compound if you don't get back into Something walking running.

00:54:31.000 No doubt. 0.97

00:54:32.000 Do you ever fuck around with yoga a little bit? 0.97

00:54:34.000 Yeah, I need to do more That's one of those things that I just feel like it's that that's the that's the on the to-do list that I just keep being embarrassed about having to put it on the next to-do list and Yeah, that's one of those things that everybody always says too. 0.99

00:54:48.000 I need to do more yoga.

00:54:49.000 We talk about yoga and, oh god, I need to do yoga more.

00:54:53.000 And it's an absolute embarrassing reality.

00:54:57.000 I have to do more yoga.

00:55:00.000 Yeah, I have a couple good DVDs that I slap in the laptop on the road.

00:55:04.000 That's a very satisfying thing to do, to work out in a hotel room completely alone and do just a whole yoga class through a laptop when you get through it.

00:55:15.000 It's a real feeling of accomplishment.

00:55:16.000 Because I could have just ate Doritos and watched TV instead.

00:55:19.000 Which is what I did last night.

00:55:22.000 Yeah.

00:55:24.000 It was actually Swedish fish.

00:55:25.000 It wasn't Doritos.

00:55:26.000 Swedish fish?

00:55:27.000 Those are rare.

00:55:28.000 When you have those nearby, it's really tough to say no to them.

00:55:31.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:55:32.000 You're like, ooh, Swedish fish.

00:55:33.000 I can do yoga or I can have these.

00:55:36.000 Well, you can do both.

00:55:37.000 That's where it gets off. 0.99

00:55:38.000 I was out of town, so when I'm in a hotel out of town and my wife, wherever she is, it's my opportunity to watch all those stupid movies that she just won't watch while I'm around. 1.00

00:55:49.000 Like what? 0.99

00:55:50.000 I watched that new Riddick movie.

00:55:52.000 I saw that!

00:55:54.000 I saw that with my daughter. 1.00

00:55:57.000 She was looking at me like, what the fuck did you take me to sing? 0.99

00:56:00.000 I'm like, I'm sorry. 0.99

00:56:01.000 It's so awful.

00:56:02.000 I watched the whole thing.

00:56:04.000 It's so bad!

00:56:04.000 I watched the whole thing.

00:56:05.000 Yeah, it was one of the worst movies.

00:56:09.000 Laughing the whole time.

00:56:10.000 Laughing at myself, knowing that she's probably laughing, knowing that it sucks so bad, and here I am watching the whole thing and just laughing at myself for watching.

00:56:17.000 The craziest thing is the first one was really good.

00:56:21.000 You know, and I tried to explain that to my 17-year-old after we saw it.

00:56:25.000 Which one?

00:56:25.000 I was like, the first one was good.

00:56:27.000 Near Dark. 1.00

00:56:28.000 It was a good fucking movie. 1.00

00:56:29.000 It was scary. 1.00

00:56:29.000 And that is a good, scary science fiction movie. 1.00

00:56:33.000 But somewhere along the line, what is this?

00:56:35.000 Number four?

00:56:37.000 Four, I think?

00:56:38.000 I can't tell you how many times I've watched Chronicles.

00:56:41.000 Is Chronicles good?

00:56:42.000 I don't...

00:56:43.000 Well, my wife doesn't think so. 0.97

00:56:45.000 LAUGHTER There's something going on now, man, with science fiction movies where there's so much CGI and they can get away with doing so much on the screen visually that I'm detached. 0.98

00:56:59.000 I went to see Star Trek, the last Star Trek one, Into the Darkness, whatever the fuck it was. 0.89

00:57:04.000 And I was like, this is just a bunch of things happening.

00:57:06.000 I have no connection at all to any of these people.

00:57:09.000 The first one I was pretty connected with.

00:57:11.000 Not bad, yeah. 0.99

00:57:12.000 But the last one was just like, just a series of things happening in front of you where you don't give a fuck. 0.99

00:57:18.000 Right. 0.99

00:57:19.000 You know, it's just...

00:57:20.000 They're almost...

00:57:22.000 Well, I guess, you know, it comes down back to the art.

00:57:25.000 Yeah.

00:57:25.000 If you see somebody...

00:57:28.000 Taking even a mediocre script and just running with it.

00:57:33.000 When you see an artist kind of taking those, being able to tell those stories to where you just believe it.

00:57:39.000 I don't know if I used this example with you last time, but I just saw it again this season of Sons of Anarchy, watching Kim Coates fully get an erection over Alton Goggins in drag. 0.72

00:57:54.000 And it's just, you know, it's, you know, Walton Goggins has fake tits, and he's, you know, like, a mask, and he's trying to get his son back, and, you know, the lipstick's all smeared, and, and, like, you know, Kim Coates is trying to figure out how he's gonna date this dude.

00:58:08.000 It's just such an awkward, but they completely sell it, like, like, all the way, you're, you're convinced, like, that, he loves her. 0.99

00:58:18.000 And it's like, not a her, it's Walton Goggins, and a, and with fake boobs. 1.00

00:58:22.000 There you go. 0.98

00:58:22.000 That's hilarious. 0.98

00:58:24.000 I haven't given that show a chance.

00:58:25.000 Try to find a shot of Kim Coates staring at him-her.

00:58:29.000 It's incredible. 0.91

00:58:31.000 Now, is he supposed to be a transsexual or a transgender or a transvestite? 1.00

00:58:37.000 I think she still has her previous equipment, but also has tits. 1.00

00:58:43.000 So, are the tits, those are implants or are they hormones, implants? 0.98

00:58:48.000 I don't know. 0.72

00:58:49.000 They don't specify.

00:58:51.000 They don't really say, I don't think.

00:58:54.000 Yeah.

00:58:54.000 The only thing that'll throw you off with those things is the dimple size.

00:58:58.000 Men generally don't have the right nipples for boobs like that. 1.00

00:59:02.000 So when you see them, and they used to be a man... 0.99

00:59:05.000 Can I go?

00:59:08.000 I'm just trying to give you advice, bro.

00:59:10.000 If things get dark, don't get sensitive. 0.99

00:59:13.000 If shit gets weird, the transgender community is there for you. 0.99

00:59:18.000 You sound like you've done a lot of research on this. 1.00

00:59:20.000 I have, unfortunately.

00:59:21.000 I'm fascinated by gender identity.

00:59:24.000 I'm fascinated by people who decide that they...

00:59:28.000 Well, then you'll love...

00:59:29.000 And you can see why they brought...

00:59:31.000 There he is.

00:59:32.000 He's got his arm around it now.

00:59:33.000 Wow.

00:59:35.000 That's awesome.

00:59:37.000 But you can see why, when it first came up, they were just using this tranny to blackmail the dude. 1.00

00:59:43.000 And even in that scene, the character Tiggs, Kim, was so distracted by what was...

00:59:51.000 They were supposed to just be doing his job.

00:59:53.000 And he was so fascinated with this person.

00:59:57.000 And you could see why the writer put him back into a later season.

01:00:02.000 Because anybody who's watching that show went...

01:00:06.000 Bring her back. 0.91

01:00:07.000 That was awesome.

01:00:08.000 And now he's now...

01:00:09.000 Oh, wow.

01:00:10.000 Oh, wow.

01:00:12.000 How did they do that?

01:00:13.000 So that's the dude from The Shield.

01:00:15.000 Yeah.

01:00:16.000 Oh, that's hilarious.

01:00:18.000 Yeah, and Justified.

01:00:20.000 I'm missing out.

01:00:22.000 I need to start.

01:00:23.000 He's one of my favorite actors.

01:00:25.000 But I think he's a great actor.

01:00:26.000 That dude can act his ass off.

01:00:27.000 He was fantastic in The Shield, too.

01:00:29.000 Aren't they on, like, season...

01:00:31.000 What's season?

01:00:31.000 Like, six or seven?

01:00:33.000 Yeah, I can't catch up now.

01:00:34.000 It's too late.

01:00:35.000 It's just daunting.

01:00:36.000 It's too much work.

01:00:37.000 Sons? 0.94

01:00:38.000 Yeah.

01:00:38.000 I don't know.

01:00:39.000 I can't... 1.00

01:00:39.000 Do you watch anything else on TV that's stupid? 1.00

01:00:42.000 No, because I mean, I watch all kinds of stupid shows, but I'm always looking at, like, if I find out there's an actor that I like... 1.00

01:00:49.000 In a thing. 0.99

01:00:49.000 I want to see how they're dealing with the puzzle they've been dealt. 0.99

01:00:53.000 That's kind of like why I'm even watching it.

01:00:56.000 I just want to see...

01:00:57.000 The craft of... 1.00

01:00:58.000 Or you hear a rumor of like, watch this fucker unravel. 1.00

01:01:02.000 Because you can... 0.99

01:01:03.000 This particular actor is having some issues, so you'll want to watch the show to watch if you can see if you can get a whiff of the crazy coming off them.

01:01:11.000 Like, what do you mean?

01:01:12.000 Maybe they're getting into pills or something.

01:01:14.000 You seem just trying to hold it together.

01:01:18.000 Two episodes later, there's a new character that could potentially take over that person's position.

01:01:23.000 Oh, that's funny.

01:01:24.000 Building an end of the script to go, okay.

01:01:27.000 So you add the background.

01:01:29.000 You add a little flavor.

01:01:30.000 Yeah, just to see how that's going.

01:01:33.000 Well, that's a common issue, especially the pills.

01:01:36.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:01:37.000 Poor fucks. 1.00

01:01:37.000 Yeah, and it's hard to, you know, I have a lot of friends that go through that kind of stuff, and that's one of the hardest things to get out of your system. 1.00

01:01:45.000 You'd probably rather, you know, you're better off trying to get off heroin, because the pills just go deep.

01:01:51.000 Yeah, well, the pills essentially are heroin.

01:01:54.000 I mean, that's what they are.

01:01:56.000 They're opiates.

01:01:57.000 And they leave a lot, they just do damage.

01:01:59.000 Yeah.

01:02:00.000 Major damage.

01:02:01.000 And they prescribe them like they're giving out free gum.

01:02:05.000 I mean, it's amazing how many people are on prescription painkillers in this country and how many of those painkillers are opiates and how many of those people are addicted to those opiates. 0.97

01:02:15.000 We're fucking weird when it comes to that, man, without a doubt. 0.87

01:02:18.000 That's one of the most disturbing aspects of our society, the amount of pills that people consume. 0.98

01:02:24.000 You know, it's dark, and when you see someone that you care...

01:02:28.000 It kind of started, right, kind of, you know, like about a generation before us with the Valium, all of a sudden.

01:02:34.000 Sure, the Rolling Stone song, Mother's Little Helper.

01:02:37.000 Yeah, she goes running for the shelter. 0.99

01:02:40.000 Yeah, that's when they first found out that you could live a shitty life and get through it with some sort of medication. 1.00

01:02:48.000 And just medicate yourself and dull the angst and dull the desire to free yourself from this fucking hellish existence. 1.00

01:02:57.000 Or just go do something. 0.99

01:02:59.000 You could definitely do that too.

01:03:01.000 Just go do something.

01:03:03.000 Yeah, I wonder how long it's going to take society to figure that out as a whole.

01:03:06.000 So that'll be a thing of the past.

01:03:08.000 Do something without expecting to be compensated for.

01:03:11.000 Just do it because you want to do it.

01:03:13.000 Yeah.

01:03:15.000 No, that's great advice.

01:03:16.000 For some people, I think they have a hard time finding something that they actually enjoy doing, too.

01:03:20.000 Well, you're so conditioned to want stuff, to have the fluff around it from the glory days or whatever.

01:03:28.000 You forget to just work harder for less, to just enjoy what you do.

01:03:35.000 You have children now.

01:03:36.000 I have a son who's 18. What is it like seeing someone who you created who's about to enter into this crazy world as an independent?

01:03:49.000 I mean, he's essentially on his way to being a man.

01:03:52.000 18 is basically at the launching block of manhood.

01:03:56.000 Well, you know, He's way smarter than I am.

01:04:01.000 I don't have any worries about him finding his way.

01:04:05.000 He's intuitive.

01:04:07.000 He's personable.

01:04:09.000 He is good at understanding social dynamics, but he's extremely smart.

01:04:15.000 He wants to go into chemistry and biology.

01:04:18.000 But he's also an incredible cello player.

01:04:21.000 Wow.

01:04:22.000 He got a scholarship to play cello for a performance of high school for cello.

01:04:28.000 But he's not going to pursue cello for his college.

01:04:31.000 That's just an extra thing he does and he rocks at it.

01:04:34.000 So I don't have any...

01:04:36.000 I guess part of it is when you...

01:04:39.000 My parents or my dad is just a very active person.

01:04:44.000 Very smart man and And healthy.

01:04:47.000 And so when I see him, when you know, when you kind of know where you've been, you know where you're going.

01:04:55.000 So I have a feeling that just having my son see what I did, see what my dad has done, he has, in a way, he has a good compass, good navigation skills.

01:05:10.000 Yeah, the only concern that I have, the big concern, is that Children today are growing up with so many more variables than we ever did and Also much more potential for quicker learning because of the internet and and with that Again more potential more more possibilities more variables more things to think about it's like more more that could potentially be overwhelming right and I think most kids are I think there's like you know just my father

01:05:40.000 was a high school teacher and by the time he retired it was basically because They kind of pushed him out to get into a new person who wasn't going to question the curriculum.

01:05:51.000 He was very adamant about making the people who came into that classroom.

01:05:55.000 You had to make an effort in his classroom to pass the class.

01:05:58.000 You couldn't coast.

01:05:59.000 It wasn't anything.

01:06:00.000 It was like a...

01:06:01.000 Multiple choice questions.

01:06:02.000 You were answering the questions.

01:06:04.000 And you had to know the material.

01:06:06.000 And you had to be on time.

01:06:08.000 You had to put in, over the course of the year, you were also doing homework and coming in with completed thoughts that counted towards your grades.

01:06:16.000 And if you didn't complete all aspects of that in his class, you didn't do well.

01:06:20.000 Yeah, if there's any one thing that you can instill in a child that's going to guarantee them a healthier existence is an appreciation for work, an appreciation for accomplishing things, setting and accomplishing goals.

01:06:37.000 So few kids are ever indoctrinated into that sort of way of life.

01:06:46.000 We didn't get to school unless he got up at 6am and snow-blowed the driveway in the winter.

01:06:52.000 We weren't going to work.

01:06:54.000 Where did you guys live?

01:06:54.000 Boston?

01:06:55.000 Michigan.

01:06:56.000 Michigan.

01:06:57.000 Yeah, I lived in Boston.

01:06:59.000 Same sort of situation.

01:07:02.000 Our driveway was almost a quarter mile long, so if we didn't snow blow the driveway, we weren't getting to the main road that was hopefully plowed.

01:07:10.000 A quarter mile?

01:07:11.000 Of snow blowing. 1.00

01:07:13.000 Holy shit. 1.00

01:07:14.000 Well, luckily it was snow blowing and not shoveling. 0.99

01:07:16.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:07:17.000 Motherfucker. 1.00

01:07:18.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:07:18.000 A quarter... 1.00

01:07:19.000 And you're dealing with some serious snow up there.

01:07:22.000 Yeah, because it's on Lake Michigan side, so you get a lot of... 0.99

01:07:25.000 Oh, God, it's fucking cold. 0.81

01:07:27.000 My senior year, we had seven days of school in January. 0.99

01:07:31.000 What?

01:07:32.000 That's hilarious.

01:07:33.000 The blizzard would hit on Sunday or Monday, and boom, dawned until Thursday.

01:07:37.000 Tell me, though, how awesome were snow days growing up?

01:07:40.000 That's one thing people in California, Arizona...

01:07:43.000 HBO, Mountain Dew, and Red Licorice. 0.99

01:07:47.000 I used to look out that window, and if I saw a foot on the car outside, I'd be like, fuck yeah! 0.97

01:07:54.000 And then you would call that number. 0.98

01:07:56.000 It was a number.

01:07:58.000 They would list off the different towns where school was canceled. 1.00

01:08:03.000 And if they got to Newton, I would go, fuck yes! 0.99

01:08:06.000 It was just this huge free day. 1.00

01:08:10.000 Yeah, that was a beautiful thing. 0.98

01:08:12.000 It was also the thing that I really appreciated a lot about growing up in a really fucking cold place. 0.76

01:08:18.000 Despite, on top of learning that, you know, there's a good to having really fucking cold, snowy days, and that's you really appreciate the sunny days with a different vigor, you know? 0.97

01:08:33.000 Seasons. 0.66

01:08:34.000 Yeah, but there's also the quiet.

01:08:36.000 There's a weird quiet when everything's covered in snow.

01:08:41.000 That I don't think anybody will ever appreciate unless they experience it.

01:08:44.000 Oh yeah, it's amazing. 0.94

01:08:45.000 When you're out there and it's like a full-on snowstorm and there's just a foot and a half of snow on the ground, the trees are covered with snow, you don't hear shit.

01:08:56.000 It's this weird, eerie, ringing silence. 0.73

01:09:00.000 Yeah, because if it's a rainstorm, of course you're hearing rain.

01:09:03.000 Yeah.

01:09:04.000 But just that floating snow, big chunks coming down, it's almost like an incredible sound barrier.

01:09:09.000 Yeah.

01:09:10.000 Which just absorbs everything and you're just like, you're such like an isolation tank.

01:09:15.000 Yeah, you hear like every now and then you hear like a car in the distance trying to get out of a driveway. 1.00

01:09:22.000 Or your neighbor yelling, fuck it won't start! 0.98

01:09:26.000 Yeah, I grew up in this area that was across the street from a river, and it was a fairly rural area, and this giant park and a river was across the street from my house, and the street was pretty steep, and every time it would snow, 0.99

01:09:43.000 or especially if it would rain, the street would become a hockey rink.

01:09:47.000 And I would watch cars drive down the hill and just right when they got to my house, they'd be losing control.

01:09:53.000 Just bouncing off curbs.

01:09:56.000 I think there's something to learn about that.

01:09:59.000 And there's something about dealing with weather that I think is healthy for a person.

01:10:04.000 Healthy for your character.

01:10:05.000 And I haven't driven a car in snow.

01:10:08.000 In, you know, decades, like, for any length of time.

01:10:11.000 But in Jerome, we get snow in the winter.

01:10:14.000 And it's amazing to me how people just cannot drive in it.

01:10:17.000 We get it every year, you know, a little bit, sometimes a lot more.

01:10:21.000 But having to, like, I immediately just get in my Jeep and I go up to a point in the town where it's the problem spot and just park and wait because there's somebody that can't get up the hill or around the bend because they just can't understand not to slam on the gas.

01:10:37.000 So you park and wait to help people?

01:10:40.000 Yeah.

01:10:40.000 Really?

01:10:41.000 Because, well, I'm helping, you know, I'm not, don't, you know, I'm not, there we go.

01:10:47.000 It's just that one of those ones where they do the crash thingy.

01:10:50.000 Not because I'm like some kind of, you know, helping hand type guy.

01:10:56.000 Oh, Jesus, look at this.

01:10:56.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

01:11:03.000 The cool thing about accidents in the snow is they just sort of bump into each other and slide around.

01:11:10.000 No one's glued on the ground, so it's not the same kind of impact.

01:11:15.000 Well, you know, I go up there to help them out just because I know if I don't, there's going to be like 20 cars behind them that can't get where they're going. 0.99

01:11:22.000 So it's just more a matter of bringing a plunger to the shit show. 0.96

01:11:28.000 There's a certain amount of camaraderie, too, when things like that happen. 0.99

01:11:32.000 Snow and people have to help push people's cars out of spots and things like that.

01:11:37.000 That's another thing that people don't deal with in L.A. The lack of weather in L.A. is, I think, one of the reasons why people are so cocky.

01:11:46.000 Because they never get humbled. 0.98

01:11:47.000 This isn't even fucking rain here. 0.97

01:11:49.000 You know, I remember after the earthquake in 94, it's just when I moved here, in 93, whatever it was, I moved here right after that happened. 0.93

01:11:57.000 And I remember people were so nice.

01:11:59.000 They were so humble.

01:12:00.000 It was a weird thing.

01:12:02.000 It was like it brought people together for a little bit.

01:12:04.000 That was a weird, that was a strange experience to be, you know, I was all, you know, like Steve Martin the jerk out in the backyard with my dogs in front of me, like, you know, like, Hearing the trees just like creaking.

01:12:16.000 Around and all the car alarms, like a symphony of car alarms going off.

01:12:19.000 It was crazy, like hearing the glass shatter everywhere.

01:12:22.000 Yeah.

01:12:23.000 Freaked me out.

01:12:24.000 Yeah, I missed it.

01:12:25.000 I came right after it happened, but I got caught in one of the bigger aftershocks.

01:12:30.000 I was in an apartment on North Hollywood, and my apartment moved around.

01:12:35.000 The best way I could describe it is if it was a refrigerator box.

01:12:38.000 It just went side to side, side to side, side to side.

01:12:42.000 It was made out of nothing. 1.00

01:12:43.000 And I was just going, holy shit. 0.99

01:12:46.000 Were you up by, like, Blankersham, Vineland, and Camarillo right there? 0.99

01:12:50.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:12:51.000 That's where I was.

01:12:51.000 That's where I lived.

01:12:52.000 Oh, no kidding.

01:12:53.000 Right behind the blockbuster there by the Firestone.

01:12:55.000 Yeah, I was, like, just, I guess it would be just east of Laurel Canyon, like, deep down, like, Moorpark.

01:13:04.000 I was on Moorpark.

01:13:05.000 Yeah, you weren't that far from me. 1.00

01:13:07.000 No, that fucking thing was just... 1.00

01:13:08.000 I was outside nude with my dog as a Merkin. 1.00

01:13:13.000 Freak the fuck out. 0.99

01:13:14.000 Yeah. 0.96

01:13:15.000 And there was that feeling about, like, Los Angeles then, where people were humbled.

01:13:20.000 You know, they were, like, a little nicer to each other.

01:13:22.000 And I felt it again in New York right after September 11th.

01:13:26.000 I remember I lived in New York in the early 90s, and then...

01:13:31.000 When I went back to New York, I remember, like, California, I'm thinking that people in California were, like, a lot more mellow and nicer than people in New York, and people in New York always had that sort of hard edge to it.

01:13:43.000 But when I went after September 11th, that edge was gone.

01:13:46.000 There was this warmth to people in New York and a friendliness that I hadn't ever experienced here before.

01:13:52.000 I was like, this is really interesting.

01:13:54.000 I'm like, there's a real tangible positive impact That this tragedy has had.

01:13:59.000 It's that people are appreciating each other more.

01:14:02.000 People are appreciating.

01:14:03.000 Yeah.

01:14:05.000 I think, you know, it's almost like people need perspective.

01:14:08.000 They need to see negative to appreciate positive. 0.84

01:14:12.000 You need to see those shitty Michigan winters to appreciate a good summer day. 0.60

01:14:16.000 In California, every day is a great summer day. 0.91

01:14:19.000 Today was a great summer day. 0.99

01:14:20.000 It's fucking November 4th. 0.99

01:14:22.000 It's 82 degrees outside. 0.99

01:14:24.000 You know, we're a little spoiled when it comes to that.

01:14:27.000 Mm-hmm.

01:14:28.000 People need nature.

01:14:29.000 They need to see it. 1.00

01:14:30.000 They need a fucking rainstorm to just kick your ass just to let you know this fucking thing can come down on you at any time. 1.00

01:14:41.000 Of no point. 1.00

01:14:42.000 That's where it ends.

01:14:42.000 I liked it.

01:14:43.000 That's true though, right?

01:14:45.000 I think that's the one curse.

01:14:47.000 It's almost like being born rich.

01:14:49.000 You never have to deal with adversity in California.

01:14:52.000 There's a lack of appreciation for the fact that you're actually on a planet.

01:14:58.000 That you're actually a part of nature.

01:15:01.000 There's no seasons here, so you don't really get the chance to see that change.

01:15:05.000 What a perfect place to put the factory of all things fake.

01:15:10.000 If you really wanted to think about a great way to fuck up a culture, just take a spot where the weather never changes and then put cameras on people and pretend they're interesting.

01:15:21.000 Pretend they're amazing. 1.00

01:15:23.000 Give them lines to say that they're way too fucking stupid. 1.00

01:15:25.000 Oh yeah! 1.00

01:15:27.000 Convince them.

01:15:27.000 Give them cocaine.

01:15:29.000 Give them tons of money for pretending. 0.99

01:15:32.000 Confuse the shit out of everybody. 0.99

01:15:34.000 Make it so that they get in line first at the clubs. 0.98

01:15:36.000 Everybody lets them in.

01:15:38.000 They throw velvet carpets down and they walk on them and everybody cheers. 0.80

01:15:43.000 Confuse the fuck out of everybody. 0.89

01:15:44.000 Right.

01:15:45.000 This is the spot.

01:15:46.000 And by the way, it never rains.

01:15:48.000 And it never rains.

01:15:49.000 It rained in Arizona this year.

01:15:51.000 Did it?

01:15:52.000 Yeah.

01:15:53.000 Got a lot of good rain.

01:15:55.000 Yeah, Arizona doesn't get much props, man.

01:15:57.000 It's not like when people talk about the cool spots in this country.

01:16:01.000 Arizona doesn't get much props. 1.00

01:16:03.000 Unless you're on, you know, unless you're on a vision quest.

01:16:06.000 Unless you're on a vision quest.

01:16:07.000 Unless you're looking for some solid peyote.

01:16:09.000 Yeah.

01:16:10.000 Some San Pedro cactus and a good sweat lodge.

01:16:15.000 That's for you.

01:16:16.000 Try to find your spirit.

01:16:17.000 That's for the kids. 0.66

01:16:18.000 That's for the kids? 1.00

01:16:19.000 I don't fuck with that peyote. 1.00

01:16:20.000 I've never fucked with peyote. 1.00

01:16:22.000 I've heard mixed reviews. 0.99

01:16:24.000 Um...

01:16:27.000 You know, maybe.

01:16:29.000 Maybe?

01:16:31.000 I had a bald friend who had a good experience on it.

01:16:34.000 Oh yeah?

01:16:34.000 Did he look like you?

01:16:36.000 A little bit.

01:16:37.000 Not then.

01:16:40.000 Not right then.

01:16:41.000 Yeah, I've been more of a mushroom guy myself.

01:16:44.000 Mushrooms and tryptamines.

01:16:46.000 But, uh, hey, I would snub my nose at no peyote.

01:16:51.000 Peyote's a weird one, too, because you can actually own, legally own the cactus.

01:16:55.000 Not just own it, but you can buy it at hardware stores.

01:16:58.000 You can go to Home Depot and get San Pedro cactus.

01:17:01.000 I'm pretty sure that's how you make it, right?

01:17:03.000 I don't know.

01:17:04.000 I was with, uh...

01:17:06.000 I was with some indigenous people who invited me into their ceremony, so it was quite a special moment.

01:17:14.000 Yeah, I have no personal experience, but I have one friend that did it and said that he was In an apartment building and he was listening to people talk that were easily five blocks away.

01:17:27.000 And he was listening to every word out of their mouth.

01:17:30.000 And he couldn't believe that he could hear it, but he was absolutely sure that he could hear it.

01:17:35.000 God bless him.

01:17:36.000 God bless peyote.

01:17:39.000 He woke up with one of those orange cones stuffed in his ear.

01:17:43.000 I don't think he did.

01:17:45.000 No, he woke up trying to figure out whether or not it was a dream.

01:17:50.000 That's the problem with those hallucinogenic experiences.

01:17:54.000 Even if it's an incredible, beneficial experience, there's that wrestling match where you're like, was it real?

01:18:00.000 What was that?

01:18:02.000 And I try to get people to look at psychedelic experiences as this way.

01:18:08.000 Whether it was real or whether it wasn't real, the experience was exactly the same.

01:18:13.000 So if you took mushrooms and truly did go to another dimension and communicate with ultimate knowledge and tune into the love of the universe, tune into the frequency of life and of progress and Or,

01:18:31.000 whether it happened in your mind, it's still the same experience.

01:18:35.000 Right.

01:18:36.000 But, you know, if people are going to do those things, I think it goes back to what you were talking about before, about understanding, you know, preparation for this thing you're going to do.

01:18:48.000 Having respect for it, too.

01:18:50.000 Yeah, having absolute respect for it and understanding what you're getting into and understanding when you get, you know, wherever you go.

01:18:57.000 Understanding how to handle...

01:19:02.000 Just finding a center in yourself that can handle what it is you're seeing and try to stay out of fear.

01:19:09.000 Stay in the moment.

01:19:10.000 Stay away from fear.

01:19:12.000 And just prepare.

01:19:13.000 If you're going to do those kind of things, just prepare.

01:19:16.000 For the journey.

01:19:17.000 Prepare for the journey and learn how to let go. 0.98

01:19:20.000 And if you are going to do those things, do it hopefully with somebody who knows what the fuck they're doing.

01:19:25.000 Because if you start messing with that stuff and neither one of you know what you're doing, you're both going to be under that fog of fear. 0.87

01:19:33.000 Right.

01:19:33.000 You're both going to be terrible.

01:19:34.000 But if one guy's like, dude, trust me, I've been here before.

01:19:37.000 I know how to get out of this neck of the woods.

01:19:40.000 Right.

01:19:40.000 You're going to be okay.

01:19:41.000 Right.

01:19:42.000 How much benefit have you had personally from psychedelic experiences?

01:19:47.000 I didn't, you know, I didn't really do a lot of it.

01:19:53.000 Compared to people that I knew that did a lot of it and didn't make it out.

01:19:57.000 Didn't make it out?

01:19:58.000 There's a lot of guys, you know, you know, you've met them.

01:20:00.000 You've met those kind of people that just, they didn't quite make it out.

01:20:04.000 And it's kind of twisted them for life.

01:20:07.000 How many people do you know like that?

01:20:10.000 Dozens.

01:20:10.000 Really?

01:20:11.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:20:12.000 Holy shit. 0.98

01:20:12.000 Just, you know, they're just not, they're never going to, just because of the whole nature of how it breaks down some of those barriers between your left and right brain, just metaphorically, you know, just how you think about your creative processes. 0.98

01:20:29.000 They can never quite get their feet back on the ground to understand what it means to actually do a thing, rather than just, you know.

01:20:39.000 Imagine a thing.

01:20:40.000 So you know dozens of people like that?

01:20:43.000 What was it?

01:20:44.000 Was it like a series of trips or was it like...

01:20:47.000 They just did too much.

01:20:48.000 Too much.

01:20:48.000 Too much, too long.

01:20:50.000 Just lived in that world for too long?

01:20:52.000 Yeah, that is a problem.

01:20:53.000 And didn't prepare.

01:20:54.000 Again, didn't prepare for what they were going to do and see.

01:20:58.000 McKenna always had the best advice when it came to psychedelics.

01:21:02.000 Large doses infrequently.

01:21:04.000 Yeah.

01:21:04.000 Right.

01:21:05.000 And prepare.

01:21:07.000 Yeah.

01:21:07.000 Prepare and don't do it all the time.

01:21:10.000 Do it and then process.

01:21:11.000 Figure out what can you get out of this.

01:21:15.000 Again, it's contrast.

01:21:16.000 Whatever journey you took, even if it's not on the psychedelics, even if it's just some entire...

01:21:22.000 You're going to go for a month to be silent in some...

01:21:27.000 You know, some spiritual place and introspection and, you know, do a fast or whatever.

01:21:34.000 You don't want to do that like, you know, 12 months out of the year.

01:21:38.000 They don't have any contrast with anything.

01:21:40.000 Just go do it, get intense about it, prepare for it before you go, and then be ready to take a while to come out of it when you are coming back, and then you live your normal life.

01:21:53.000 Do you feel like when you're creating wine or when you're putting together a DVD or when you take on a project that you're kind of on a journey like that as well?

01:22:04.000 Absolutely.

01:22:05.000 Everything that I've done, there's been some element of preparation attached to it.

01:22:11.000 It's not something I just dive into.

01:22:13.000 And then every time those things are accomplished, there's this feeling of reinforcement of the process.

01:22:18.000 Yeah, I mean, you know, everybody has a way to trick themselves into thinking they're right, or, you know, kind of consistently put a particular process in to get some result back that reinforces the behavior.

01:22:30.000 But, you know, aside from that, if you're just preparing...

01:22:36.000 There's definitely a satisfaction coming from even the happy accidents along the way, things you learned that you didn't think you were going to learn, stuff that was actually a challenge that you hadn't prepared for but you managed to get through.

01:22:48.000 Those are the kind of things that really make those results satisfying.

01:22:53.000 Do you intentionally seek inspiration like through books or through documentaries or anything?

01:22:59.000 Not intentionally, but just, you know, I'll be reading a book or an article or seeing a film and somebody will use a word that resonates on some level and I go, ooh, I'm going to write the word down.

01:23:13.000 Then I might build something on that word.

01:23:16.000 But not right now.

01:23:18.000 It could be two years from now that I've come back to that word.

01:23:21.000 Right.

01:23:22.000 So it's just following your own curiosity or interests, and that eventually leads you to inspiration.

01:23:28.000 Right.

01:23:29.000 I mean, if you're into physics and just geometry and general chemistry, there's these structures that are already there in terms of the relationships between numbers and shapes and angles and just molecules.

01:23:46.000 And they're very similar in respect to just emotional experiences, just life experiences, even just the journey from an infant to an elderly person.

01:24:00.000 There's very common angles and structure and commonality between those experiences that can resonate.

01:24:10.000 So if I see a word That for some reason resonates with me at the age of 35 or 40. I write it down right away because most likely there's some kind of geometry or resonance with that word that's speaking to me at this age in this stage of my life that I should pay attention to.

01:24:28.000 So I'll write it down and I'll see, I'll explore more to see if it is in fact something that wouldn't be relevant when I was 20, might not be relevant when I'm 60, but it's relevant now.

01:24:38.000 So I'll look at it and I'll build on it.

01:24:40.000 Yeah, that's an interesting thing about getting older and the ideas that you come across, these ideas are sort of cross-referencing with these other experiences that you've had in your life up to this point now, and now it resonates.

01:24:54.000 Now it makes sense.

01:24:55.000 Whereas at 21, it didn't mean a damn thing to you. 0.98

01:24:58.000 A documentary on a guy making sushi when you were 21 would be like, what the fuck am I watching? 0.91

01:25:03.000 But when you're 41, it's like, oh, okay, this guy's kind of obsessed with this art. 0.91

01:25:08.000 There's something to this.

01:25:10.000 This guy's making swords.

01:25:12.000 Look, he's folding the metal.

01:25:14.000 I watched a whole documentary on this guy making traditional-style samurai swords and the incredibly intensive, laborious process involved in folding steel, hammering it down, folding it, hammering it down. 0.99

01:25:30.000 Fascinating shit. 0.99

01:25:31.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:25:33.000 And that, like everything else, it's all just...

01:25:36.000 There's no skipping any steps in that.

01:25:39.000 Impossible.

01:25:41.000 Weaving a rug properly. 1.00

01:25:44.000 Yeah, making your own fucking clothes out of thread. 1.00

01:25:48.000 Weaving threads together. 1.00

01:25:50.000 They had to do that.

01:25:51.000 That's what they did.

01:25:53.000 There's no other way.

01:25:55.000 I watched this...

01:25:56.000 A documentary on indigenous tribes, Inuit tribes, creating fishing nets, and that it would take them a year often to create one net. 1.00

01:26:06.000 A fucking year! 0.99

01:26:07.000 You better have a couple already made. 1.00

01:26:09.000 Yeah, you have to have a couple already made and, you know, that's the way you're eating. 0.99

01:26:13.000 That's the way these fucking people are going to eat. 0.98

01:26:15.000 It goes back to those subsistence shows that I'm absolutely fascinated with. 1.00

01:26:20.000 There's this one that I've been watching now.

01:26:21.000 It's called Life Below Zero.

01:26:24.000 And it's just these different families, families or individuals who live up in Alaska and then go from one to the next and follow these people in this one tribe that's...

01:26:38.000 A man and a woman.

01:26:40.000 And the woman is a native Inuit woman.

01:26:43.000 And the man is American from the lower 48. And they have children together.

01:26:47.000 And, you know, like they've lost family members because they fell through the ice and died. 1.00

01:26:53.000 I mean, this is like, this is real shit. 0.98

01:26:55.000 This woman who's, they're walking across the ice and they're like knocking holes into the ice to make sure that it's Deep enough for them to walk with their children and they're gonna put this net down underneath this ice and feed it to each other on the other side of the river and they're gonna catch fish and that's how they're all eating. 0.99

01:27:13.000 And there's no other way to eat.

01:27:15.000 And this is what they do.

01:27:16.000 And that's their life. 0.95

01:27:18.000 And there's something about it that's so fucking terrifying to you. 0.94

01:27:23.000 That just shut me down. 0.94

01:27:25.000 Yeah.

01:27:26.000 That sounds cold. 1.00

01:27:27.000 Oh, it's fucking cold as shit, man. 1.00

01:27:29.000 You know, this woman had lost two family members. 1.00

01:27:32.000 She'd lost one of her sisters and I think one of her brothers.

01:27:35.000 Or maybe a cousin or something like that.

01:27:37.000 I was just going to reach for a sweater.

01:27:39.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:27:40.000 It's wild shit, man. 1.00

01:27:42.000 But to them, that's life. 1.00

01:27:44.000 That's what they're doing.

01:27:45.000 That's their existence.

01:27:47.000 Laughing while they're doing it.

01:27:50.000 I guess people just adapt and get used to it.

01:27:54.000 But there's also this...

01:27:55.000 Intense spiritual connection with their food that way.

01:27:58.000 You know, when they're pulling these fish out of this water and they're grabbing hold of it and making sure it doesn't fall back under the ice, like, there's this intense connection between this animal, this creature that they just caught.

01:28:12.000 We don't really ever get, and when they eat that animal, there's also this intense feeling of satisfaction that goes with that, this substance living.

01:28:22.000 Very intense, man.

01:28:25.000 We've lost touch with that because we have so much available to us, no matter where we look.

01:28:31.000 We've got food, clothing, shelters pretty much readily available.

01:28:35.000 We've gotten a little lazy on that kind of stuff.

01:28:37.000 A lot lazy.

01:28:38.000 And I think it's a lot like what we were talking about in Los Angeles. 0.97

01:28:42.000 I mean, Los Angeles is too goddamn easy. 0.85

01:28:44.000 There's no weather. 0.94

01:28:45.000 You know, there's no weather.

01:28:46.000 It's simple.

01:28:48.000 Go to the supermarket.

01:28:50.000 Everything's spelled out for you.

01:28:51.000 Soft life.

01:28:52.000 Soft life creates soft people.

01:28:56.000 We've got to figure out a way to fix that.

01:28:58.000 What's the way, dude?

01:29:00.000 Um, yeah.

01:29:04.000 Reset.

01:29:05.000 The only way, I think, is for people to figure it out on their own.

01:29:08.000 To be inspired by people who have figured that out?

01:29:12.000 You know, this marble is way smarter than we are, so when it decides that there's any even, you know, if the kids get a little too cocky, it'll toss a few tidal waves or toss a few meteors at it.

01:29:25.000 Just to reset.

01:29:28.000 It'll just reset, and you'll go back to having to figure out what to do with your time not having your PDA. Yeah.

01:29:35.000 I've always wondered if that's what it did with the dinosaurs.

01:29:38.000 If the earth looked at the situation and was like, mm, god, this is a mess.

01:29:44.000 No one's gonna figure that out.

01:29:46.000 No one's gonna stop that. 1.00

01:29:48.000 They're stupid as fuck and they don't have to get smart. 1.00

01:29:50.000 They kill everything with their face. 1.00

01:29:52.000 They weigh 50,000 pounds a piece. 0.99

01:29:53.000 Right.

01:29:54.000 Alright.

01:29:55.000 You know what?

01:29:55.000 It's time to throw an eraser their way.

01:29:57.000 Yeah, I agree.

01:29:59.000 I think that's probably the case. 0.93

01:30:01.000 Eventually, how dependent we are on just everything digital and electrical, just a simple, naturally occurring electromagnetic pulse will just fucking ruin people's lives.

01:30:15.000 Yeah, one big fat solar storm that erases everybody's Kindle.

01:30:19.000 Yeah, done.

01:30:21.000 And go try to find a book now.

01:30:23.000 A hundred years from now, try finding a book.

01:30:25.000 Books would be like records.

01:30:26.000 It would be like trying to find vinyl today.

01:30:30.000 I make vinyl.

01:30:31.000 Do you?

01:30:32.000 Hell yeah.

01:30:33.000 Everything.

01:30:33.000 A few people do, right?

01:30:34.000 Yeah.

01:30:35.000 It's still pretty common.

01:30:36.000 We try to do everything.

01:30:37.000 There are only a couple of things I've released with Full Surface that haven't come out on vinyl because they're just digital, but pretty much everything.

01:30:44.000 Even the remixes we do, we'll do vinyl for it too.

01:30:48.000 Well, there's a weird push now for not even just a digital copy of something, but in the cloud, to leave everything in the cloud.

01:30:56.000 Like, have you seen these new Google Chromebooks?

01:30:59.000 They barely have a hard drive.

01:31:02.000 Everything's in the cloud.

01:31:04.000 You're accessing your data.

01:31:06.000 And I'm not being like, you know, Grandpa trying to hang on to his...

01:31:15.000 Yeah.

01:31:31.000 Probably not.

01:31:34.000 Probably not, but you feel better if they're sitting in a metal box on your desk.

01:31:38.000 I paid for them, so why don't I have them somehow near me?

01:31:42.000 I'm not willing to accept the idea that everything's in the cloud and that it's secure either.

01:31:47.000 That's the other thing.

01:31:48.000 They want you to put all your photos in the cloud and contacts in the cloud.

01:31:52.000 That stuff, I was like, nah.

01:31:54.000 I don't believe you.

01:31:55.000 Think about it before you print this photo out. 1.00

01:31:57.000 Fuck you. 1.00

01:31:58.000 I'm not going to have this photo if something crazy happens like that and it's lost. 1.00

01:32:02.000 Yeah, and also the latest revelations that the NSA tapped into the Google Cloud and basically accessed everything that was up there, which is, you know, Google's all pissed off, but come on, you didn't see that coming?

01:32:15.000 You know, aren't you guys at the front of the line?

01:32:17.000 Don't you know what's possible and not possible?

01:32:19.000 Personal Ventress?

01:32:20.000 You seen that show yet?

01:32:21.000 No, what's that?

01:32:22.000 I've seen it before.

01:32:24.000 What is it?

01:32:25.000 It's Everything You're Talking About.

01:32:26.000 It was a show that just started, you know, a couple seasons ago, like maybe the third season or second, third season I think now.

01:32:32.000 Ben from Lost is on it.

01:32:34.000 Oh really?

01:32:34.000 Yeah, and it's all about him having been the engineer of this computer that was predicting national threats.

01:32:43.000 And it takes everything.

01:32:45.000 It takes every camera, it will access any camera that's in the system, the cameras on your phones, every microphone, and it puts together all of this data looking at all the digital information.

01:32:58.000 And predicts, like, international threats.

01:33:00.000 But the trick, you know, the whole trick of the story is, like, nobody really knows about this thing at all.

01:33:05.000 It's so self-contained that it inserts this information into studies or, you know, when they're looking at somebody.

01:33:15.000 That was two weird people.

01:33:16.000 That was Ben from Lost and Jesus.

01:33:18.000 That was Jim Caviezel.

01:33:20.000 Yeah.

01:33:20.000 The Passion of the Christ?

01:33:22.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:33:23.000 That fucking nutty dude? 1.00

01:33:25.000 That dude thought he was Jesus. 1.00

01:33:27.000 Is that Candy Alexander in the back?

01:33:29.000 No way.

01:33:29.000 Benjamin Button's mom.

01:33:30.000 Oh, okay.

01:33:33.000 Wow.

01:33:33.000 So good?

01:33:34.000 You recommend this?

01:33:35.000 It's funny because everything about what this show is all of a sudden came out with all this NSA spying.

01:33:43.000 They're like, that's what they're doing already.

01:33:45.000 So this show is like kind of being a cutting edge thing, like going, oh, there's this supercomputer doing all this stuff, and they're looking through the cameras, and they're gathering all the information, and all of a sudden you go...

01:33:53.000 No, no, they're doing that right now.

01:33:55.000 This is not a stretch.

01:33:56.000 This is not a supernatural show.

01:33:58.000 This is actually happening.

01:33:59.000 Well, it went from being something that a guy like Alex Jones would rant and rave about to the reality of the day.

01:34:06.000 And it happened within like...

01:34:10.000 Right.

01:34:10.000 You know, I mean, everybody sort of just realized, like, oh shit, like, everything you've ever emailed somebody actually is somewhere in a database.

01:34:18.000 That is the facts. 0.73

01:34:20.000 That's the world that we live in now.

01:34:22.000 This isn't science fiction anymore.

01:34:23.000 That off-color photo you sent me?

01:34:28.000 Dude, I told you that wasn't real.

01:34:31.000 What do you...

01:34:31.000 Does that freak you out?

01:34:33.000 What do you think this is going to lead to?

01:34:36.000 This dissolving of privacy?

01:34:40.000 I don't know.

01:34:45.000 Part of me says I'm not really that important that I'm too worried about anybody looking at what I've got. 0.90

01:34:52.000 You know, the government sifting through my crap. 0.67

01:34:56.000 There's nothing of... 0.77

01:34:58.000 Yeah, I agree in that personally, but I also see it as something that's very different than I think what people are realizing.

01:35:07.000 I think everybody's worried about their personal privacy and people are worried about...

01:35:12.000 Not just their personal privacy but the government being able to access their personal privacy and to be able to look into their photographs and read their emails and I get all that but I think that ultimately what we're dealing with is a dissolving of boundaries between people and information and that it's going to be some there's going to be some breakthrough one day Whether it's some ability to read minds or some new

01:35:42.000 way of connecting people, some new way of separating boundaries, that's going to make this seem like a joke.

01:35:50.000 That this is just basically one more step in this never-ending trend of dissolving of boundaries.

01:35:57.000 I don't know.

01:35:59.000 Again, I don't know.

01:36:02.000 The other side of me is like, don't be looking at my emails.

01:36:06.000 That's just my personal stuff.

01:36:09.000 There's nothing of interest there for you.

01:36:11.000 I think I've done my part for society.

01:36:15.000 Why are you looking at my bung?

01:36:16.000 Yeah.

01:36:18.000 I think the people that are doing it too, that's one of the weirdest things.

01:36:22.000 This Edward Snowden thing, when it came out, it was...

01:36:26.000 They were trying to discredit him, and they're like, this high school dropout, Edward Snowden.

01:36:30.000 And you're like, wait a minute, man.

01:36:32.000 Didn't you guys hire him? 1.00

01:36:33.000 Like, you're making fun of him now, but this is your fucking employee, man. 0.99

01:36:38.000 And he's telling everybody that he had access to everybody's email. 0.99

01:36:41.000 Not just encrypted, but could actually fucking read them. 0.88

01:36:45.000 It wasn't just metadata. 0.96

01:36:47.000 He could actually go and read your emails.

01:36:49.000 And he was a high school dropout?

01:36:51.000 Like, who else is working for you guys?

01:36:54.000 Who gets these jobs? 0.97

01:36:55.000 How do they get these jobs? 0.81

01:36:57.000 The questions...

01:37:00.000 The questions are just leading to this weird ultimate reality, which is that the trend seems to be, across the line, this dissolving of boundaries between people and ideas and people and information.

01:37:15.000 And then eventually everyone's going to have access to everything.

01:37:19.000 It seems that that is the trend.

01:37:20.000 And again, I think that that's, you know, I get caught up in the idea of like, Well, maybe this is part of some, you know, this might be just our tendency to do things.

01:37:30.000 You know, this is what we do to control people, you know, just through the ages.

01:37:33.000 Power, you know, power wants more power.

01:37:36.000 But at some point you have to wonder, like, so is that choice and the dominant, you know, whoever's in charge, that's a tendency of whatever we are, whatever makes us up.

01:37:49.000 Is that an extension of what, again, going back to the marble, Is that what the marble wants?

01:37:54.000 In some way, is that consciousness just trying to sort some things out and take us to the next step?

01:38:03.000 You know what I mean?

01:38:04.000 I have no answers to that.

01:38:06.000 I'm just saying...

01:38:07.000 Of course not.

01:38:07.000 I started asking those questions of like, okay, so what's the...

01:38:12.000 How would I, you know, if I was David Koresh, how would I rationalize that perspective?

01:38:19.000 Yeah.

01:38:19.000 So think like a crazy person who comes up with some awesome rationalizations to justify the actions.

01:38:27.000 And then try to go the other way. 0.99

01:38:28.000 Try to be more like the paranoid, opposite, defensive, reasonably defensive person who wants to know what the fuck do you need to see in my emails? 0.97

01:38:41.000 I don't understand why that's important to you.

01:38:43.000 I try to look at it as someone who's analyzing the human beings as a complete alien outsider, looking at us collectively as a group, which is what we move as a group.

01:38:54.000 We act as a group.

01:38:56.000 And I would say, well, look, here's this thing that works collectively to make technology, but thinks it's an individual.

01:39:04.000 They all think that they're individuals, but essentially all they're doing with their manic desire to acquire goods and to acquire material possessions, what they're really doing is just pushing innovation because they need the biggest, baddest, newest, craziest.

01:39:18.000 They constantly need the latest and greatest.

01:39:21.000 They're pushing for these innovations, and these innovations are constantly, within three, four, five months, the exponential increase of these things is making every new step far more powerful than any step before it,

01:39:37.000 and it's happening faster and faster and faster.

01:39:39.000 It's happening exponentially.

01:39:41.000 And I don't even think the creatures even realize they're doing it.

01:39:45.000 The periods, as McKenna had put it, the periods between novelty and normality are like a hum now.

01:39:53.000 It's not even a peak and valley anymore.

01:39:56.000 Yeah, McKenna described it as a funnel.

01:39:58.000 That, you know, if you spun a quarter around the top of the funnel, it would take a long time to go all the way around the circle.

01:40:05.000 But as it gets lower and lower, it's getting faster and faster and faster and faster until it reaches what he thought would be a point of ultimate novelty.

01:40:13.000 But he thought it was going to be December 21, 2012. But I think, you know, he had a...

01:40:19.000 He's a dude.

01:40:22.000 He's a guy.

01:40:23.000 At the end of the day, as brilliant as he was, as fantastic as his mind was, he's still just a person with an idea. 0.99

01:40:30.000 We grab ideas sometimes and ride those bitches right into the rocks. 1.00

01:40:34.000 But, you know, if you look at those beautiful chaos equations that kind of make those cool kind of paisley-looking things, but you look really close and you see, like, oh, the detail becomes... 0.92

01:40:45.000 Practiles, Mandelbrot set.

01:40:47.000 Yeah.

01:40:47.000 So, you know, if you look at that, when we get down to the bottom of that funnel and you're looking close enough, there's a deeper funnel.

01:40:54.000 Yeah.

01:40:55.000 There's just as much detail as the funnel above it.

01:40:57.000 Yeah.

01:40:58.000 He might ultimately have been right in some sort of a way that December 21st, it might not have even been that exact day, but that era, the era between 2012-2013, which is the era we're living in and experiencing right now, it might ultimately be this new Opening for this new future and this what we're talking about whether that's that TV show or the Revelations about the NSA that could be just the first steps and opening up this new door of perception this new door

01:41:28.000 of reality, right?

01:41:30.000 Yeah, we're living in strange times man.

01:41:32.000 Yeah, totally.

01:41:33.000 Yeah mix and it makes you know makes a person When I'm you know trying to write songs or trying to make this wine or you know doing you know doing whatever writing doing comedy bits or whatever It almost makes it feel weird.

01:41:46.000 You almost feel kind of in an odd, like, self-conscious way of, like, what am I doing?

01:41:51.000 Like, you go to a show and you see, like, the dude up there dancing around in front of the people that are, like, watching him dance around.

01:41:58.000 And, oh, look at you dancing around.

01:42:01.000 It just feels so fucking weird. 0.74

01:42:03.000 It's such a weird relationship of, like, such a show-and-tell kindergarten thing. 0.80

01:42:09.000 And when I... Like, when you say a word enough times, it sounds weird.

01:42:13.000 Yeah.

01:42:14.000 Yeah.

01:42:14.000 That, when I look at that, and I think about it like that, like repeating the word to the point where it doesn't make any sense anymore, that thing just seems so strange, standing...

01:42:25.000 So, I'm going to imagine, like most people, at some point in their career, whatever it is they're doing, they all of a sudden kind of go, what the fuck am I doing?

01:42:34.000 What is this thing I'm doing?

01:42:37.000 Yeah, if you're paying too close attention to ballet, if you're locking into a ballet, you can enjoy it if you're in the moment and you're just appreciating the movements, but if you look at it too closely, then you start to step back and pull back and look at it in the perspective of this planet spinning a thousand miles an hour in a circle around this gigantic nuclear explosion. 0.99

01:43:01.000 You're like, look at this asshole in tights. 0.97

01:43:05.000 Throwing his body through the air. 1.00

01:43:07.000 This is so preposterous. 0.99

01:43:09.000 Why does anybody give a fuck whether or not you can sing the words to your play? 0.99

01:43:16.000 My wife was taking Spanish, or Italian, rather, and one of the things that she did in her class was they took everyone to an opera. 0.99

01:43:26.000 So we went to an opera.

01:43:28.000 And so we're sitting there with the rest of the people in her Italian class watching this opera. 0.99

01:43:32.000 I'm like, this has got to be one of the dumbest fucking ways to entertain people I've ever seen in my life. 0.99

01:43:38.000 You're singing in this language that nobody understands. 0.99

01:43:41.000 Everything is like, everyone falls in love immediately, so I can't buy it.

01:43:46.000 There's no reason why these people are in love with each other so quickly.

01:43:49.000 They're ready to die.

01:43:51.000 This is preposterous.

01:43:53.000 This is made in an era when people didn't have books. 1.00

01:43:57.000 Like, they bought into this because they were dumb as shit. 1.00

01:44:00.000 But yet, here we are, you know, 21st century. 1.00

01:44:05.000 And it seems absurd.

01:44:06.000 And as it would if anybody coming here from some different, you know, galaxy, walking in and seeing, you know...

01:44:14.000 A stand-up comic or a band playing on a stage or a person getting up so early in the morning to make bread.

01:44:25.000 That's food.

01:44:26.000 I guess that makes more sense.

01:44:27.000 How about to make wine?

01:44:29.000 Yeah.

01:44:29.000 I mean, you always kind of take that out of perspective like...

01:44:34.000 Somebody comes to this culture, and then there's this thing where you stick rocks in your ear, and that's like this thing you do, and there's like, oh, there's better rocks than other rocks that you stick in your ear, and then people start stumbling around and bumping into a wall.

01:44:47.000 Okay, so you pick up a rock, and you put it in your ear, and there's different kinds of rocks that feel different and give you different effects, and there's certain rocks that are really expensive, and some that you can just pick up and stick in your ear, but you just basically bump into a wall afterwards, and that's cool, right?

01:45:02.000 Yeah.

01:45:02.000 Okay.

01:45:03.000 There you have it.

01:45:05.000 Good luck.

01:45:09.000 Yeah.

01:45:10.000 It just seems so absurd.

01:45:12.000 When you kind of take the words and replace them with, you know, other objects or things.

01:45:20.000 You know, wine, food.

01:45:22.000 I mean, you know, food is food, but like singing a song.

01:45:27.000 Yeah, and there's some things that to the people that participate in them are life itself.

01:45:31.000 It's almost, you know, one of the things that I do, I've done since I was a young man, is play pool.

01:45:39.000 I play in tournaments, and I play like at a just below professional level.

01:45:46.000 And to people that play pool, no.

01:45:50.000 That's a weird word that only gets used to, it only gets used outside of pool.

01:45:57.000 Shark, actually, in pool is a negative term, meaning someone who distracts you while you're shooting.

01:46:02.000 They try to shark you.

01:46:03.000 Like, if you were shooting, I was like, wait, come on, man, you ain't gonna make this shot. 0.99

01:46:08.000 If I was fucking with you while you were shooting, that's called sharking someone. 0.99

01:46:12.000 It's actually... 1.00

01:46:12.000 Poor form. 1.00

01:46:14.000 And it never happens in tournaments with the highest level guys.

01:46:17.000 They never do that.

01:46:17.000 But my point was that to the people in that world, pools everything.

01:46:23.000 I mean, to watch the great matches going from tournament to tournament.

01:46:27.000 You know, nowadays they're watching them streaming on the internet, whether it's through pay-per-view venues or...

01:46:34.000 Whether it's through some people set up cameras at various tournaments. 1.00

01:46:38.000 But to a person who has no connection to that world, it's idiotic. 1.00

01:46:43.000 You're watching these fools. 1.00

01:46:46.000 The table never changes. 0.99

01:46:48.000 The six holes remain in the exact same spots.

01:46:51.000 And it's just about which way the balls roll around. 1.00

01:46:54.000 Like, who gives a fuck? 1.00

01:46:56.000 Nothing changes outside that table. 0.99

01:46:58.000 I mean, this is the microcosm of microcosms, man. 1.00

01:47:01.000 I mean, it's a fucking table. 1.00

01:47:02.000 Right. 1.00

01:47:02.000 It doesn't even move. 1.00

01:47:04.000 It's level.

01:47:04.000 It doesn't even move.

01:47:06.000 It's just a matter of balls colliding, and that interests you, but to the people that are involved in it, it's everything.

01:47:12.000 Or a person who goes through that kind of process of self-discovery.

01:47:16.000 You did something and it went in the hole you wanted it to go in, and you had that positive reinforcement and that encouragement from that behavior.

01:47:26.000 Then you follow it more because, like, you got some kind of accolades either from yourself or from someone around you, so you start pursuing that thing, and it has more about your ego developing in terms of, like, the praise that you got for doing that thing.

01:47:41.000 Yeah.

01:47:42.000 So, you know, so you end up, you can see how things get to that level.

01:47:46.000 You know, watching, you know, watching your, you know, English footy.

01:47:50.000 I was never...

01:47:52.000 A footie fan until I had somebody kind of walking me through what was happening. 0.89

01:47:56.000 And then I recognized something and I was, you know, patted on the back for recognizing this thing that I still don't have any fucking idea what I was talking about.

01:48:04.000 But, you know, I'm watching it more because I want to see where this goes.

01:48:08.000 And you're like...

01:48:11.000 Six total goals tops, and that's what we're watching here.

01:48:14.000 If you're lucky.

01:48:15.000 Yeah.

01:48:16.000 But, you know, at the same time, now that I've got sucked into the rabbit hole, I completely enjoy what that is. 0.89

01:48:24.000 And there's probably a bunch of English dudes right now outside of the studio ready to kick my ass for even mentioning that that might not be something that's interesting. 0.97

01:48:33.000 There's like a fury. 0.98

01:48:35.000 Well, at least you didn't call it soccer.

01:48:36.000 I did not do that.

01:48:38.000 I would not go that. 1.00

01:48:40.000 They'll fucking scream at you. 0.99

01:48:42.000 It was football before football. 1.00

01:48:44.000 They have a point.

01:48:45.000 They do have a point.

01:48:47.000 But yeah, it's that same thing.

01:48:49.000 It's that seeking higher truth in whatever discipline it is.

01:48:55.000 Whether it's the discipline of football or winemaking or music making or jokes or jujitsu.

01:49:01.000 Those microcosms, those worlds that exist sort of wholly on their own and are very difficult to appreciate by people standing outside of them.

01:49:12.000 It's a very fascinating aspect of human beings.

01:49:16.000 So I guess going back to what you were asking about the Pussy for DVD, the flexibility of everything that we do, I guess that's kind of what that is. 0.61

01:49:28.000 And the guys that I work with, realizing how absurd some of the things are that we do anyway with our other projects or with this project.

01:49:35.000 But we do it anyway because we're just really enjoying, we're in the rabbit hole, we enjoy seeing how far we can take a particular absurd obsession with something.

01:49:44.000 And that's absolutely what I loved and appreciated about it.

01:49:47.000 Besides the fact that it was funny and besides the fact that the music was good, I loved and appreciated the fact that I could tell that this structure was wholly your own.

01:49:56.000 You just decided to do it this way.

01:49:59.000 I don't know if you saw some of the shows that we normally have.

01:50:05.000 Table and chairs that we set up at the front of the stage.

01:50:08.000 Depending on the show, there will be different kinds of tables and chairs.

01:50:11.000 We always have some wine and some stuff on stage because we have friends that have either opened for us or are coming down to see us or are actually playing in this particular band that while they're not doing anything, they sit down and have a glass of wine on stage at the front of the stage with us.

01:50:27.000 We've done a lot of shows like that where we've had Like, you know, two drummers and two bass players and a couple extra guitar players and then like that rhythm section just sits down for five songs and just having wine and cheese at the front of the stage just kicking it and then they get back up and do it because it just felt,

01:50:43.000 it just feels more casual.

01:50:45.000 Even Karina Round will sing a couple songs and I'll sit down and just kind of, you know, watch the show from the stage.

01:50:53.000 Is that something you saw someone else do or just decided to do it that way?

01:50:57.000 I don't know that I've seen anybody do it.

01:50:59.000 I'm sure that has to have been done at some point.

01:51:03.000 I've been trying to put this other show together with no luck.

01:51:08.000 Where we have several bands kind of come up and do a very similar thing, but they play, you know, four songs, and then they sit down, and maybe there's some kind of segue where one of those guys is playing with that other band, and then, like, a band does, you know, four songs or five songs, and they sit down,

01:51:24.000 and the other guys come back up and say, just keep rotating.

01:51:27.000 You know, rather than doing your whole set and, like, here's who I am, and this is what I do.

01:51:32.000 You know, just kind of, you know, do it almost like a very well-rehearsed Rehearsal, you know?

01:51:39.000 Yeah, a very well-rehearsed rehearsal.

01:51:43.000 Like, not the final performance, but like a week before it.

01:51:46.000 A little glimpse into what it was, you know, a little bit of the chaos of those guys getting up there to do their next three songs, and it's not like them in their rhythm and in their element of like, you know, start to finish, this is our set.

01:51:57.000 Right, right.

01:51:58.000 This is more like, we're going to get up and do these three songs, and then... 0.72

01:52:01.000 We kind of have to, and it's not like, you know, some guys have to get a full-on boner to go do their set and do the whole thing and, you know, we fucking nailed it, man, or whatever that is.

01:52:12.000 But just the idea of getting up and performing those songs in a couple of ways and putting them and putting us in an uncomfortable, unfamiliar environment that kind of helps us Just look at it again and re-enjoy what we remember doing when we started doing it,

01:52:28.000 in a way. 0.99

01:52:30.000 Fuck yeah, dude. 1.00

01:52:31.000 I'm working on that. 1.00

01:52:32.000 Yeah, I love it.

01:52:33.000 That's exactly it, man.

01:52:35.000 You know, if you could find that...

01:52:37.000 That's an honest energy.

01:52:39.000 And an honest form of expression, too, because you're showing the whole thing.

01:52:45.000 You're showing the underbelly.

01:52:46.000 You're pulling the curtain back.

01:52:48.000 But if done right, it's not necessarily the underbelly.

01:52:52.000 It's a show in and of itself that has depth and movement and passion and uncertainty and fear and all the real stuff that comes along with a movie.

01:53:03.000 Yeah.

01:53:04.000 Or is within the songs you're hearing.

01:53:06.000 All that stuff is built into each one of those stories.

01:53:08.000 Usually there's some form of conflict within that song.

01:53:12.000 That's why they wrote it.

01:53:13.000 Yeah.

01:53:14.000 And in seeing that preparation, it makes you appreciate the final product even more so.

01:53:18.000 Yeah.

01:53:20.000 That's badass, man.

01:53:23.000 Are you touring right now?

01:53:26.000 Just got done with Harvest.

01:53:28.000 I'm doing a lot of writing.

01:53:31.000 Training Jiu-Jitsu.

01:53:32.000 Well, I was until I hurt my hand.

01:53:35.000 You say you sprained it, you think?

01:53:36.000 I had my coach in St. Louis fell on it.

01:53:40.000 That wasn't me.

01:53:41.000 I was going the wrong way.

01:53:42.000 It's totally my fault.

01:53:43.000 I was going the wrong way, pushing the wrong way, and I had my hand out the wrong way, and he went the other way, and his whole body landed on my hand.

01:53:52.000 I could hear, like, popcorn.

01:53:54.000 Did you get an MRI'd or anything?

01:53:55.000 I just, this happened four hours ago.

01:53:57.000 Doesn't look that bad.

01:53:58.000 I think you'll be okay.

01:54:00.000 Yeah, I see some swelling.

01:54:01.000 Yeah, so I had the poor guy on the plane, I'm, like, using a puke bag to go, can I get some ice?

01:54:07.000 Like, icing my arm on the plane coming here.

01:54:09.000 Do you think the bones cracked?

01:54:11.000 I don't know.

01:54:11.000 I have no idea.

01:54:13.000 I had to come do this fucking podcast instead of going to the doctor. 0.99

01:54:15.000 Dude, I hear you, man. 0.99

01:54:17.000 I know what it's like.

01:54:18.000 I gotta get up in four hours and go to the airport.

01:54:21.000 Well, I mean, the good news is I'm getting...

01:54:23.000 Kim Sae is doing some tattoo work on me, so I'm actually kind of out of the training game for a minimum of like a week or so.

01:54:32.000 Anyway, because I gotta let the thing heal.

01:54:34.000 What are you getting done?

01:54:35.000 I'm getting more of my snake, my Arizona Rattler.

01:54:39.000 Oh, wow.

01:54:40.000 Is this a guy who's doing this in California?

01:54:43.000 No, Kim.

01:54:43.000 Kim Say.

01:54:45.000 Kim Say. 0.98

01:54:46.000 You don't know Kim?

01:54:47.000 No.

01:54:47.000 Kim's work?

01:54:48.000 No.

01:54:49.000 How dare you.

01:54:49.000 She.

01:54:50.000 How dare you a lot.

01:54:51.000 She. 0.93

01:54:52.000 She? 0.98

01:54:52.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:54:53.000 Where is she?

01:54:56.000 I'm going to forget the name of her.

01:54:57.000 How do you spell her last name?

01:54:58.000 S-A-I-G-H. S-A-I-G-H? Mm-hmm. 0.99

01:55:04.000 K-I-M. And Sean Barber.

01:55:10.000 Oh, wow.

01:55:11.000 She's wild work, man. 0.99

01:55:13.000 Fantastic stuff.

01:55:14.000 Yeah.

01:55:16.000 And so what town is she in again?

01:55:17.000 She's in L.A. Memoir Tattoo?

01:55:19.000 Memoir.

01:55:20.000 That's the word I was looking for.

01:55:21.000 I was going to say heirloom, but that's my friends that make food.

01:55:25.000 Wow.

01:55:25.000 Beautiful.

01:55:26.000 Memoir Tattoo.

01:55:27.000 And where's that at?

01:55:30.000 It's in kind of the Hollywood...

01:55:35.000 I think I'm Beverly. 0.99

01:55:37.000 Wow, she's got some fucking amazing work. 0.98

01:55:39.000 Yeah, she's got some skills to pay the bills. 1.00

01:55:41.000 And Sean's work is awesome, too.

01:55:43.000 Now, that's another art form that over the last, say, two, three decades has really come into its own in a very strange way that didn't really exist before.

01:55:51.000 Right.

01:55:51.000 And again, when you step back from it, you go, what are you doing?

01:55:55.000 You're drawing on yourself. 1.00

01:55:56.000 The fuck's your problem? 1.00

01:55:58.000 Go fucking get, just get a pad of paper and just, you know, draw a little bit on it. 1.00

01:56:02.000 And then when you don't like it, you draw another one. 0.99

01:56:04.000 But no, like, but, you know, but then I get caught up in the, just the art of tattooing.

01:56:10.000 Like you said, it's just, it's come so far and just people are so passionate about it and do such good work now.

01:56:15.000 It's no longer... 0.99

01:56:16.000 You know, Tasmanian devils and shit. 1.00

01:56:18.000 It's for real. 0.99

01:56:19.000 Yeah, I've had both of my sleeves done by the same guy, Aaron Della Vadova from Guru Tattoo in San Diego.

01:56:25.000 And Guru Tattoo is one of those cool shops where They're all artists.

01:56:32.000 They're all creating these weird pieces of art when they're not painting.

01:56:36.000 When they're not doing tattoos, they're painting.

01:56:39.000 When they're not painting, they're doing some guy's sculpt. 1.00

01:56:42.000 They're fucking around constantly. 0.99

01:56:44.000 This is just one more medium that they express themselves in. 0.99

01:56:48.000 But the medium of tattooing...

01:56:50.000 There was the tattoos of the 1950s and the 1960s, and they have no relation.

01:56:57.000 To what is being done today.

01:56:59.000 Well, in the U.S. Yes.

01:57:01.000 You always had the Japanese tattooing.

01:57:04.000 It's just like insane beautiful stuff. 0.94

01:57:07.000 Insane beautiful and ridiculously fucking painful because they're doing that tapping way.

01:57:12.000 That's part of this one I got done with that.

01:57:15.000 Oh, did you?

01:57:15.000 In Osaka.

01:57:17.000 No kidding.

01:57:18.000 How long does that take?

01:57:21.000 It didn't take much longer than the gun.

01:57:23.000 I mean, the guy was fantastic.

01:57:26.000 That was the chopstick tattoo in Osaka.

01:57:30.000 So they use one stick, they hold it there, and the other stick taps over the top of it?

01:57:36.000 Wow.

01:57:37.000 That's pretty cool.

01:57:38.000 How precise can they get with that thing?

01:57:41.000 It's pretty precise.

01:57:43.000 Get in there, buddy.

01:57:46.000 That's pretty bad.

01:57:47.000 I love the Thai style ones that they're doing, too.

01:57:50.000 I'm gonna have them do a drag, and I'm actually gonna talk to Memoirs.

01:57:54.000 What's the number?

01:57:55.000 353?

01:57:55.000 What is that?

01:57:56.000 That's part of my wine story.

01:58:01.000 Can you tell us the story?

01:58:02.000 No?

01:58:03.000 It's a secret?

01:58:04.000 Really?

01:58:05.000 You have secrets? 1.00

01:58:06.000 The NSA is gonna fucking tap in your email, son. 1.00

01:58:09.000 Release that secret. 0.99

01:58:10.000 Well, then the secret's out.

01:58:13.000 And so you had that guy do that with that tapping style?

01:58:17.000 Yeah, with the bamboo.

01:58:18.000 I think Tara Patrick had her whole arm done that way. 0.99

01:58:22.000 She's like this huge Japanese sleeve.

01:58:25.000 I'm pretty sure she had it done the traditional way.

01:58:27.000 Like the full, I don't know what the word is, they do it.

01:58:33.000 It's funny, when you go to Japan, you can't show your tattoos.

01:58:36.000 I was at a gym.

01:58:38.000 I was in the gym.

01:58:39.000 Yeah, they made me cover up.

01:58:41.000 They told me I have to go back to my room and put a long sleeve shirt on.

01:58:44.000 And I couldn't train. 1.00

01:58:47.000 Because you're a fucking derelict. 1.00

01:58:48.000 Yeah, I try to let them know I'm not. 1.00

01:58:51.000 Yeah, that's her. 0.60

01:58:53.000 Her tattoo there.

01:58:55.000 I'm pretty sure that's done the traditional way, or at least part of it is.

01:58:59.000 Yeah, in the Japanese culture, that's not a good thing. 0.99

01:59:03.000 No.

01:59:04.000 It's bad.

01:59:05.000 That's the Yakuza. 0.56

01:59:06.000 It's really interesting because they're the ones who created such beautiful, these beautiful full-piece body designs, those body suits that are actually just one long, flowing piece of art.

01:59:19.000 That's the origin of that, but not respected in the country where it came from.

01:59:24.000 It's funny.

01:59:25.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:59:25.000 It's kind of fucked. 1.00

01:59:26.000 I got jumped. 1.00

01:59:27.000 Please.

01:59:28.000 So sorry, please.

01:59:29.000 What did they do?

01:59:30.000 Made me put the robe on.

01:59:31.000 I had to put sweatpants on and a top to be in the gym.

01:59:36.000 Where were you in Japan?

01:59:37.000 Which part?

01:59:38.000 I think that was in Tokyo.

01:59:40.000 Yeah, that's where I was too.

01:59:42.000 They were not having it.

01:59:45.000 If you have anything on your neck, you have to wear a turtleneck.

01:59:48.000 If you have tattoos on your neck, it's much more discriminatory than it is in America.

01:59:55.000 Politely discriminatory.

01:59:57.000 Yeah, they're very polite.

01:59:58.000 Very polite about it.

01:59:59.000 They're so polite in such a strange way.

02:00:01.000 It's a really interesting culture.

02:00:03.000 We went there pretty shortly after Fukushima.

02:00:08.000 Where there was this weird feeling of distrust for the government's assessment of the damage and the dangers.

02:00:16.000 And we had this long conversation with this taxi driver because he had to drive us from the venue all the way down to Tokyo and it was about an hour's drive.

02:00:25.000 And so he spoke pretty good English and he was saying that for the first time people are openly starting to question whether or not the government's being honest with them about whether or not they can eat vegetables.

02:00:38.000 Whether or not their ground is radioactive and their fish are edible.

02:00:43.000 Right.

02:00:44.000 And I would have to agree with that.

02:00:46.000 That's starting to happen.

02:00:47.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:00:48.000 That's a scary fucking thing, isn't it? 1.00

02:00:50.000 They might have ruined their country. 1.00

02:00:54.000 They might have to bail.

02:00:56.000 Because it could get worse.

02:00:57.000 I mean, there was another earthquake just last week that was a 7.3 off the coast of Japan.

02:01:01.000 Yeah, it was another one.

02:01:03.000 Didn't cause a tsunami, but it could have.

02:01:05.000 All it takes is the plates go this way instead of that way, and then whoosh, the water's coming.

02:01:11.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:01:13.000 And if it does, they're fucked. 0.99

02:01:16.000 Yeah, you know, there was a beer that a friend of mine had at his local sushi place. 0.99

02:01:22.000 And I went in, I was like, hey, can I get some of that beer?

02:01:25.000 He goes, no.

02:01:26.000 I said, what happened?

02:01:28.000 He said, oh, the earthquake.

02:01:30.000 So it stopped production.

02:01:32.000 He goes, no, it's gone.

02:01:34.000 The family's gone.

02:01:35.000 The beer is gone.

02:01:36.000 The building's gone.

02:01:38.000 They're gone.

02:01:40.000 Yeah, gone, gone.

02:01:42.000 Like, never coming back.

02:01:44.000 Yeah, you see some of the damage. 0.98

02:01:46.000 And by the way, that ain't shit compared to some of the fucking tsunamis that they know have hit different parts of the world. 0.98

02:01:53.000 That's why I always laugh whenever I drive by Malibu. 0.98

02:01:55.000 I was in Malibu today, and I was driving by, and I was looking at these houses they have perched over the ocean, and I was like...

02:02:02.000 Sleds. 1.00

02:02:03.000 Boy, there's no guarantee that's gonna be there tomorrow.

02:02:08.000 No, those are just sleds with the...

02:02:10.000 They're basically playing a long, extended game of musical chairs.

02:02:14.000 And they know for sure one day the music's going to stop and their houses are going to, for sure, go flying out into the ocean.

02:02:21.000 When in Michigan we had all that snow, you'd always have, you know, you could do bobsledding and stuff.

02:02:26.000 You kind of just, you know, sled down the hill.

02:02:28.000 And that was, when I see those houses, that's all I can think of is sledding in the winter in Michigan.

02:02:34.000 Well, they'll get erased one day.

02:02:36.000 I guess if you're, like, way up in one of those bluffs, You probably got a pretty good shot at sticking around.

02:02:41.000 Of not falling completely in the ocean.

02:02:43.000 But those things have massive landslides, too.

02:02:46.000 There was a couple of years ago, there was a news report where these people were waking up in the middle of the night, these horrible cracking noises, and they realized that their houses were sliding off the side of this hill down into this valley.

02:02:58.000 Yeah, it just gives out.

02:03:00.000 You know, you decided to put a foundation in the ground that decided to not be there anymore.

02:03:05.000 Right.

02:03:05.000 And it all just in giant, huge, 30, 40-acre chunks just slides down and takes these $5 million houses with it.

02:03:15.000 You hear it.

02:03:17.000 They're not worth $5 million anymore.

02:03:19.000 Not anymore.

02:03:19.000 If I may.

02:03:20.000 I think you're correct.

02:03:22.000 And I think even if you wanted to reclaim that land, boy, it's tough to pinpoint where your house used to be.

02:03:27.000 Yeah.

02:03:27.000 Good luck with that survey.

02:03:28.000 Yeah.

02:03:30.000 Yeah.

02:03:30.000 Those dudes with the sticks looking through that hole.

02:03:33.000 Yeah.

02:03:33.000 They're going to have to do a lot of measuring.

02:03:35.000 That was me in the military.

02:03:36.000 Did you do that?

02:03:37.000 That's what I did.

02:03:38.000 What'd you do in the military?

02:03:39.000 We put in grid coordinates for like the tank batteries to pull in and you know if you're gonna if you're gonna shove a big missile in a tube and launch it somewhere you had kept you have to know where you are and To know where it's going basically, so that's what we would do is we would put the the survey points What branch of the military are you in?

02:03:57.000 Army.

02:03:58.000 How long we in for?

02:03:59.000 Three three years well six years total.

02:04:01.000 What year was this?

02:04:03.000 82 to 85 and then reserves from 85 to 88. Look at you, that's you.

02:04:10.000 You handsome bastard. 1.00

02:04:11.000 I'm not a wig. 1.00

02:04:13.000 That shit's real, yo. 1.00

02:04:16.000 Did you get anything out of being in the military? 1.00

02:04:19.000 Yeah.

02:04:20.000 Discipline.

02:04:21.000 Yeah, just, you know, again, just being responsible.

02:04:27.000 Responsibility.

02:04:29.000 The ability to respond.

02:04:31.000 Yeah, people that have gone through that, it's very interesting to see. 0.99

02:04:37.000 I had a friend who was real lazy and kind of shiftless and never got anything done, and then went away, went to boot camp, came back, and this motherfucker always folded his napkin after that and sat up straight and got shit done, 0.99

02:04:56.000 and I was like, wow. 0.99

02:04:58.000 They turned this dude around.

02:04:59.000 Like, they really did.

02:05:01.000 I wouldn't recommend it today, because joining today, you have a high likelihood of either being forced to assassinate someone for the government, or finding yourself in a position where you really wouldn't want to be, and people are shooting at you that don't like Americans. 0.97

02:05:14.000 Unless it's your calling, I wouldn't really recommend it, but god damn. 0.94

02:05:19.000 For some people, it really is a game changer. 0.96

02:05:23.000 I agree.

02:05:27.000 Not everyone can make it through it, but a lot of guys kind of washed out during that whole basic training process.

02:05:35.000 What made you join?

02:05:37.000 College fund for art school.

02:05:39.000 Really?

02:05:39.000 Yeah.

02:05:41.000 Were you pretty convinced that we weren't going to go to war during those times?

02:05:43.000 Completely.

02:05:44.000 I was like, ugh, war?

02:05:47.000 You know, I didn't, I just didn't believe it.

02:05:49.000 And then I got appointed to go, I got through a long process, but basically got handed an opportunity to go to West Point by going to the preparatory school for a year.

02:06:03.000 And got to the end, like when I finally got my appointment to go to West Point, they said basically you have to forfeit your army college fund to go to art school.

02:06:13.000 And I didn't really go in to be a career military person.

02:06:16.000 I kind of went in to get college funds so I could go pursue the arts.

02:06:20.000 But you know, again, my behavior was being reinforced as far as the way I was excelling in the military.

02:06:30.000 So it was very tempting to go, I could be an officer.

02:06:33.000 Let's do that.

02:06:35.000 And then, you know, I got to that moment where I had to, like, I had to make that decision.

02:06:38.000 In that moment, you have, basically, I had, like, three hours to check the yes box and accept my appointment or check the no box and, you know, go back into the regular army and then go back and go to art school.

02:06:52.000 Wow.

02:06:53.000 And I chose art school.

02:06:55.000 And if I had not done that, I would have, provided I made it through West Point, which is not a guarantee, if I had made it through West Point, I would have been in the first Gulf War as a lieutenant.

02:07:05.000 Wow. 0.99

02:07:07.000 That's fucking crazy. 1.00

02:07:09.000 Gulf War 1, I think they call it. 0.99

02:07:11.000 I had a friend who is a cop and he was in the Army Reserve for 20 years and had less than a month to go until he was out for 20 years and they shipped him to Iraq for a year and a half.

02:07:27.000 Come again?

02:07:28.000 Yeah, he was in the reserves.

02:07:30.000 And the reserves, during the Iraq War, after September 11th, they just started sending people over there.

02:07:37.000 You were under contract.

02:07:39.000 That's it.

02:07:40.000 It didn't matter if you had a month to go.

02:07:42.000 During that month, you were assigned a year and a half tour of Iraq.

02:07:45.000 And he went not just once.

02:07:47.000 He came back and they sent him again.

02:07:50.000 They sent him twice.

02:07:51.000 He did three years in Iraq when he had less than a month to go. 1.00

02:07:56.000 Damn. 0.99

02:07:56.000 And there was nothing he could do about it. 0.99

02:07:58.000 His whole life was thrown into chaos.

02:08:00.000 His relationship, his job, everything gone.

02:08:04.000 Yep.

02:08:05.000 Sorry, you live in Iraq now. 1.00

02:08:08.000 You're over there, you're a soldier.

02:08:10.000 I mean, it's a fascinating thing to watch.

02:08:14.000 Well, at least he made it alive.

02:08:16.000 He got lucky, yeah.

02:08:17.000 He came back different, though, I'll tell you that. 1.00

02:08:20.000 He came back, you could tell he had seen some shit. 1.00

02:08:23.000 There's no avoiding that. 1.00

02:08:25.000 I mean, he saw combat duty.

02:08:27.000 And Wasn't planning on it, thought he was getting out, thought he was going home, thought reserve meant reserve, thought 30 days meant 30 days.

02:08:38.000 No, it means two one-and-a-half-year tours, or at least all in total, somewhere around three years.

02:08:46.000 Do you like the beach?

02:08:48.000 Well, we don't have water, but we got sand.

02:08:53.000 Yeah, I don't know.

02:08:55.000 I guess there's good to be gotten from almost everything.

02:08:58.000 But for you, at least it was a positive experience.

02:09:02.000 I dodged, you know, quite metaphorically and literally dodged a bullet.

02:09:06.000 Yeah.

02:09:07.000 Wow.

02:09:08.000 That must be something you think about often.

02:09:12.000 But, you know, I could see, you know, I could see how I could have excelled at that and done well for, you know, done my part in that setting.

02:09:21.000 I have an aptitude for it.

02:09:23.000 A lot of my friends are law enforcement and military, so I get along with them well.

02:09:29.000 You know, I also have all my, you know, crazy liberal friends that I get along with well.

02:09:34.000 So I think it just would have been, if it was a path that I would have chosen, I would have just done whatever I could do with it.

02:09:41.000 The law enforcement friends, I bet, understand your friendship with the crazy hippies and liberals more than the crazy liberals understand your relationships with the law enforcement people.

02:09:52.000 Absolutely. 0.75

02:09:53.000 Isn't that funny?

02:09:54.000 Yeah.

02:09:55.000 Yeah.

02:09:58.000 God bless them.

02:10:00.000 God bless them all.

02:10:01.000 The open-minded liberals.

02:10:02.000 Yeah.

02:10:03.000 Yes.

02:10:04.000 There's not that many of those, are there?

02:10:05.000 When it boils down to it, there's a lot of aggressive progressives.

02:10:10.000 Yeah, and I noticed that.

02:10:12.000 And, you know, coming from that background of being, you know, supposedly like the liberal Democrat.

02:10:18.000 It's pretty amazing.

02:10:19.000 Well, they have this idea and they think that it's right and they think that they should violently try to support that idea.

02:10:29.000 Whether or not other people have that idea or not, they think that their idea is correct and their idea is on the right side of history.

02:10:36.000 And so it's something to be violently pursued.

02:10:42.000 Yeah, but boom, I don't know.

02:10:44.000 I don't know who's right.

02:10:46.000 I don't think any of them are.

02:10:47.000 The truth is in the middle somewhere, right?

02:10:49.000 Yeah.

02:10:50.000 Listen, man, I gotta go to the airport in, I think, five hours.

02:10:54.000 Alright. 0.99

02:10:55.000 So, let's wrap this bitch up. 1.00

02:10:57.000 I just came from the airport. 0.99

02:10:58.000 Thank you for doing this, man.

02:10:59.000 I'm glad you did.

02:11:00.000 I'm glad you did.

02:11:01.000 I mean, you literally pulled right up, the car's out front, and then...

02:11:04.000 If people want to watch the DVD, how can people watch this?

02:11:09.000 It's coming out on, I think, the 26th of November.

02:11:13.000 The What Is Pulisifer DVD show, Live in Phoenix, comes out on the 26th, as well as the Perfect Circle series.

02:11:27.000 Box set.

02:11:27.000 And the songs from this, where could they get those?

02:11:32.000 On that.

02:11:33.000 Yeah, they're on this DVD. It'll be released on iTunes.

02:11:37.000 I think, yeah, we're doing this separate.

02:11:39.000 You can get the live album off of iTunes.

02:11:42.000 Just the songs.

02:11:43.000 Beautiful.

02:11:44.000 Go get it, folks.

02:11:45.000 And follow on Twitter.

02:11:47.000 Pussifer on Twitter.

02:11:49.000 And there it is, right there.

02:11:51.000 DVD and soundtrack available.

02:11:53.000 What did it say?

02:11:54.000 November what?

02:11:55.000 November.

02:11:55.000 Twenty-six.

02:11:57.000 As well as the Perfect Circle one as well.

02:12:01.000 Live at Red Rocks.

02:12:03.000 I know this is a good Sunday.

02:12:05.000 We got the documentary guys like...

02:12:07.000 You can't talk to the camera.

02:12:09.000 Oh yeah, I'm not supposed to talk to the camera.

02:12:11.000 No, no, I know.

02:12:12.000 Did you live in character when you did this?

02:12:15.000 No.

02:12:16.000 No, that was like...

02:12:17.000 I mean, literally that was with Laura and me in that costume.

02:12:21.000 We were like...

02:12:22.000 That came out for the weekend.

02:12:23.000 I'm like, what are we going to do?

02:12:25.000 And Mike, her husband, was like...

02:12:27.000 Just had a new camera he wanted to try out.

02:12:29.000 I think it was the Canon 5...

02:12:31.000 D or whatever.

02:12:33.000 It's just trying to like, you know, let's just get some footage, see what we get.

02:12:35.000 And we just did all that and we went, did we just do that?

02:12:38.000 Like, no script, just kind of went, well, let's do this.

02:12:41.000 Let's do this.

02:12:42.000 And then, you know, went to Walmart, like actually spent like two hours in Walmart grabbing stuff just for that day to see what we could come up with to come up with costumes.

02:12:52.000 That Halloween shirt and everything was just like on a quick trip to Walmart to see what we can come up with.

02:12:58.000 That was beautiful.

02:12:59.000 You're a beautiful man, Maynard.

02:13:01.000 God bless you and men like you.

02:13:04.000 Thank you.

02:13:05.000 Onward.

02:13:06.000 Alright folks, that's it.

02:13:07.000 This ends.

02:13:08.000 We will put all the commercials on it. 0.99

02:13:10.000 Stick this bitch up on iTunes. 1.00

02:13:12.000 And we'll see you on Friday with Dan Carlin from Hardcore History. 0.99

02:13:16.000 Big kiss.

02:13:17.000 Mwah! 0.98

The Joe Rogan Experience - November 05, 2013

Joe Rogan Experience #412 - Maynard James Keenan

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