The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #482 - Rob MacCachren & Bud Brutsman

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00:04:27.000 My pal Bud Brutzman's here.

00:04:29.000 And Rob McCachron, Baja legend, is here.

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00:04:45.000 My pal, Bud Brutzman, who's my neighbor.

00:04:49.000 We've been friends for many a year.

00:04:51.000 More than two decades, right?

00:04:53.000 We've been friends for a long time.

00:04:55.000 16, 17 years?

00:04:56.000 Something like that. 0.96

00:04:56.000 Long ass time. 0.96

00:04:58.000 Bud, every year, leaves family and friends behind and travels to Mexico to do this fucking crazy race. 1.00

00:05:05.000 And every year, I talk to his wife, shaking my head. 0.99

00:05:09.000 I talk to other people, shaking my head, going... 1.00

00:05:11.000 That Bud Brutzman is a crazy son of a bitch. 1.00

00:05:14.000 Like, what the fuck is he doing down in Mexico, doing jumps and flying over hills? 1.00

00:05:19.000 Well, he has brought with him Rob McCachron, who is apparently the man when it comes to this Baja racing stuff. 0.93

00:05:27.000 And I mean, I'm fascinated by it, and so I'm real excited to get you guys on the podcast and talk about it.

00:05:34.000 And I know you've got something upcoming that you're promoting so people can get a chance to check it out.

00:05:40.000 Yeah, I started racing.

00:05:42.000 I'm in the TV business, right?

00:05:43.000 So you think I'm crazy, but this race is much like Mount Everest to me.

00:05:48.000 You just got to go do it. 1.00

00:05:49.000 It always starts as this stupid bucket list thing you got to go do, right? 0.99

00:05:53.000 So I did it one year. 0.99

00:05:55.000 Rob's been doing it for 25 years or 30 years.

00:05:57.000 I did it one year in 2005, and I'm like, I got to go climb Mount Everest.

00:06:01.000 I got to go do this thing.

00:06:02.000 So I did it through a sponsor, my BF Gertrich, and I'm like, oh my god.

00:06:07.000 And this actually leans back to you.

00:06:10.000 This is mixed martial arts of racing.

00:06:12.000 There's no rules.

00:06:13.000 There's no classes.

00:06:14.000 There are classes, but there's no rules.

00:06:16.000 You can do anything you want.

00:06:18.000 There's consequences down there.

00:06:19.000 I mean, if you don't train, you don't pay attention, you don't sleep, you go out and party the night before, you have consequences.

00:06:24.000 You get hurt, you get killed, you can wreck your car, you can sit in the middle of the desert for 20 hours.

00:06:29.000 I just went to go compete, kind of like an Ironman.

00:06:32.000 I want to go compete.

00:06:33.000 I want to finish it.

00:06:35.000 Right.

00:06:35.000 Just say you did a marathon.

00:06:37.000 Yeah, I did a marathon.

00:06:38.000 I got a little trophy.

00:06:39.000 It's fine.

00:06:40.000 And now I'm hooked, right?

00:06:41.000 So then it's kind of the lore, this majestic place.

00:06:44.000 Rob will talk about it a lot.

00:06:45.000 This majestic place.

00:06:46.000 I finished.

00:06:47.000 I'm happy.

00:06:48.000 36 hours in the car.

00:06:49.000 I finished.

00:06:50.000 It was great.

00:06:51.000 Everybody was happy. 0.99

00:06:52.000 I was tired as shit. 0.99

00:06:53.000 Then the next year I came back. 0.99

00:06:54.000 I want to do it again.

00:06:55.000 Maybe I'll take second or third or get on the podium.

00:06:58.000 So I started chasing it and started chasing it.

00:07:00.000 It took me eight years every day.

00:07:03.000 I work out all the time just to go race.

00:07:06.000 I watch race videos.

00:07:07.000 I get as much seat time as I can because I only do the one race a year.

00:07:11.000 I do about two races a year, just one to practice, and then I go down and race the 1,000.

00:07:14.000 And I finally won in 2012. But then there's guys like Rob, 200 wins.

00:07:20.000 He's won 200 times in off-road racing.

00:07:22.000 He's won five, I don't know if all the stats are, five Baja 1000s, five Baja 500s.

00:07:30.000 He's the legend of our sport.

00:07:31.000 He races in trophy trucks, which is not my class.

00:07:34.000 So for folks who don't know what Baja racing is, explain that.

00:07:38.000 Rob, why don't you explain it since you've done it for decades.

00:07:42.000 Absolutely.

00:07:42.000 Baja 1000 is Baja Peninsula.

00:07:45.000 Basically start in Ensenada, race all the way down to La Paz, approximately 1,000 miles.

00:07:50.000 All dirt roads.

00:07:51.000 All dirt roads.

00:07:52.000 Some asphalt roads.

00:07:53.000 Sometimes we can't get through dirt, so we have to get up on the highway and actually race down the highway with the traffic.

00:07:59.000 As Bud was alluding to, there is no rules.

00:08:01.000 The highway is wide open.

00:08:03.000 The race course is wide open.

00:08:04.000 There's cattle.

00:08:05.000 There's horses.

00:08:07.000 Are there speed limits on the highway?

00:08:09.000 Now there are.

00:08:10.000 There didn't used to be.

00:08:11.000 Yeah, there didn't used to be.

00:08:12.000 Now, you know, sanctioning bodies, the sport is growing a little bit, and the Mexican government doesn't want Rob doing, I can't do 130 miles an hour on the highway.

00:08:19.000 He can.

00:08:20.000 They don't want him to do 130 miles an hour, so they've got us down to 60. But it's sections.

00:08:25.000 It's really...

00:08:26.000 It's kind of like in between rounds in a fight.

00:08:28.000 You know, you jump on the highway, you get time to relax a little bit, get to take a drink of water, you're cruising 60 miles an hour, and then up ahead about 5 miles, you dump off in the dirt again, and you're just hauling ass in the dirt.

00:08:37.000 And how fast do you go in the dirt?

00:08:39.000 The top speed, close to 140. Oh, Jesus!

00:08:43.000 Yeah.

00:08:44.000 Yeah, we cross dry lakes, 130, 540 miles an hour through the whoops, you know, two and three foot whoops like waves.

00:08:52.000 Anywhere, you know, from 60 all the way up to 120 across them.

00:08:55.000 It's an incredible thing.

00:08:56.000 The wheel travel of these trucks is, you know, over 20 inches in the front, over 30 inches in the rear.

00:09:02.000 The tires that we have are 39 inches tall.

00:09:05.000 They cost a lot of money.

00:09:07.000 Luckily, both Bud and I are supported by BFGoodrich.

00:09:10.000 It's an incredible, incredible sport.

00:09:12.000 And like Bud was saying, when he got involved with it, he fell in love with it.

00:09:16.000 And I did the same thing back in the early 80s.

00:09:18.000 And I'm addicted to it.

00:09:20.000 The Ball 1000, it only comes once a year.

00:09:22.000 You try to win it.

00:09:23.000 If you don't get it done, you've got to wait another 365 days to get down there and do it again.

00:09:27.000 And it's an awesome feeling and you can't wait to get down there and do it.

00:09:31.000 So these trucks, they have like some sort of special suspension on them where each wheel is kind of independent and they have a lot of wheel travel.

00:09:39.000 So they can hit these big crazy bumps and it still kind of keeps the thing fairly level.

00:09:45.000 Is that the idea behind it?

00:09:47.000 Absolutely got a great analogy there.

00:09:49.000 Yeah, the front suspension is A-arm, independent.

00:09:51.000 The rear is actually straight axle, but with shocks that are 4.5 inches in diameter, coil springs that are 5 inches in diameter, the trucks, they work really, really well over the bumps.

00:10:04.000 They're amazing when you watch them in video.

00:10:05.000 You see the wheels just flopping around like they're just super loose.

00:10:10.000 It's an incredible thing.

00:10:12.000 It's absolutely amazing.

00:10:14.000 I know Dodge makes a truck that's just like a purpose-built off-road truck that they sell for civilians.

00:10:24.000 Ford makes a truck.

00:10:25.000 Well, I know Ford makes the Raptor.

00:10:27.000 What does Dodge make?

00:10:28.000 Dodge makes an even more hardcore version of it for the Ram.

00:10:31.000 You guys are shaking your head.

00:10:32.000 No, no.

00:10:32.000 You must be Ford people.

00:10:34.000 No, no.

00:10:34.000 We just know the truck industry.

00:10:36.000 And both Rob and I were in the early stage of development of the Raptor.

00:10:39.000 I raced the Raptor in 08. Rob was in the early development of the Raptor testing it.

00:10:44.000 We just had that conversation about testing Borrego.

00:10:46.000 We know the truck market pretty well.

00:10:47.000 Dodge has nothing.

00:10:49.000 They've tried to duplicate it, is what they've done.

00:10:51.000 There's something called a Ram Runner.

00:10:53.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:10:54.000 Jamie, pull up the video.

00:10:56.000 Raptor vs.

00:10:57.000 Ram Runner head-to-head.

00:10:59.000 This is what I'm referring to.

00:11:01.000 I saw a video online that was...

00:11:03.000 Have you driven one of those yet?

00:11:05.000 No, I've driven the Raptor a lot, and they're an incredible vehicle.

00:11:09.000 They're pretty cool that you can buy them.

00:11:10.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:11:12.000 It's amazing to go to the Ford dealer...

00:11:15.000 And get a truck that is capable of doing what the Ford Raptor is.

00:11:19.000 I'm blown away.

00:11:20.000 I've been in the off-road industry for a long time.

00:11:22.000 And it's absolutely incredible what the Raptor can do.

00:11:26.000 Yeah, our neighbor has one of these things.

00:11:27.000 He uses it to go get groceries.

00:11:29.000 See, that's the difference between them is that the Raptor apparently...

00:11:34.000 I watched the video.

00:11:35.000 The Raptor is more comfortable driving around.

00:11:37.000 You could actually use it as a regular car, whereas...

00:11:40.000 The Ramrunner is much more like, you know, one of these things.

00:11:45.000 Something that you really wouldn't drive on the street.

00:11:47.000 Yeah, the Ramrunner, I don't know what it is.

00:11:49.000 I mean, it's probably aftermarket or purpose built by a third party or a second stage manufacturer.

00:11:53.000 It's not, I mean...

00:11:54.000 So it's not like as mainstream as the Raptor.

00:11:57.000 They run, they run, and I've talked to them, I've been to the plant.

00:12:00.000 They run like eight F-150s and then they throw a Raptor in there.

00:12:03.000 Eight one F-150s, put a Raptor in there.

00:12:04.000 I mean, it's a real production vehicle.

00:12:06.000 Right.

00:12:06.000 High, high number production vehicle.

00:12:08.000 That was what my point was going to be.

00:12:10.000 This type of racing has become so popular that it's sort of bleeding over into the commercial market. 0.90

00:12:18.000 The regular domesticated human beings are buying these trucks that they could just drive out into the desert and fucking go crazy and hit bumps with.

00:12:28.000 Yeah, you used to see, we called, you know, the flat billers, you know, mimicking the off-road truck, buying a Ranger, putting fiberglass fenders on it, raising it up, lowering it.

00:12:37.000 And I think, you know, Ford Motor Company saw that.

00:12:40.000 It's like, hey, we should build something that you can just buy right off the lot.

00:12:43.000 And they did that.

00:12:44.000 I think 2008, Bud and I both got invited to go out and do some testing with the Raptor and...

00:12:50.000 Blown away by it.

00:12:52.000 And then they came on the showroom, and you're capable of buying those things for, you know, under about $50,000.

00:12:57.000 It's an incredible vehicle. 0.99

00:12:59.000 Yeah, they're fast as shit, too, right? 0.99

00:13:01.000 Yep. 0.99

00:13:01.000 The 6.2 is really fast. 0.99

00:13:03.000 The motor is incredible.

00:13:04.000 I beat the crap out of it in our race.

00:13:06.000 Did 103, 105 across the Diablo Lakebed.

00:13:10.000 It's an amazing motor.

00:13:11.000 That's a stock motor, too.

00:13:13.000 That's not even pumped up.

00:13:14.000 My trophy truck's got 900 horsepower.

00:13:16.000 That's why we can do 140s.

00:13:18.000 Jesus!

00:13:20.000 900 horsepower?

00:13:22.000 Yeah.

00:13:22.000 Wow.

00:13:24.000 They probably weigh full of gas, 105 gallons of gas, gets about 2 miles a gallon, 900 horsepower, 39 inch tall tires.

00:13:31.000 105 gallons of gas?

00:13:32.000 Yeah.

00:13:33.000 It's like driving a bomb.

00:13:35.000 In order to get anywhere.

00:13:36.000 In order to get anywhere, you've got to have that much gas, because at two miles a gallon, you don't get very far.

00:13:40.000 It really only gets two miles to the gallon?

00:13:42.000 Pretty much, that's about the average.

00:13:44.000 With him driving.

00:13:45.000 That is hilarious.

00:13:47.000 That's hilarious.

00:13:48.000 You have a two-mile-to-the-gallon car.

00:13:52.000 Wow!

00:13:53.000 900 horsepower.

00:13:54.000 It is a bomb.

00:13:55.000 It's a bomb.

00:13:56.000 900 horsepower, 100 and how many gallons?

00:13:59.000 105 gallons.

00:14:01.000 Wow, that's crazy.

00:14:02.000 So how long can that get you?

00:14:05.000 It's not always two miles, right?

00:14:06.000 Like when you're on the highway going 60, you bump up to eight?

00:14:09.000 Yeah, it'll go up to probably six.

00:14:10.000 Whoa, crazy.

00:14:12.000 We try to go anywhere from 175 miles to 225 on a tank of gas.

00:14:18.000 We're good to go.

00:14:34.000 You know, 175, 225 miles, we have a full-on fuel pit.

00:14:38.000 We pull in there and stop.

00:14:40.000 They'll put, you know, 100 gallons of gas or get it filled back up and change the rear tires on the truck.

00:14:44.000 And then if we happen to have a flat in between spots, you know, they'll re-rack another tire.

00:14:48.000 So we pretty much have that planned.

00:14:50.000 If we're racing up and down the Baja Peninsula, that's about an 1,100-mile race.

00:14:54.000 We'll stop every 200 miles.

00:14:55.000 If we do the shorter loop races, anywhere from 250 to 500 miles are the other races.

00:15:00.000 Go halfway.

00:15:02.000 Do tires and fuel and hit it.

00:15:04.000 So Bud, when we did, for folks who don't know, Bud produced, he's produced, Jesus Christ, 100 shows?

00:15:10.000 I mean, how many shows have you produced?

00:15:12.000 Produced overhauling and rides, and rides when we did that Barracuda, the silver Barracuda that we made, that was what, like 2004 or 2005 or something like that?

00:15:23.000 Yeah, it was 2005, yeah.

00:15:23.000 So that was like right around the year that you were beginning to race.

00:15:26.000 Yep.

00:15:27.000 Right around the time.

00:15:28.000 And I love jujitsu and I love all the stuff that we used to train together.

00:15:31.000 And this is kind of my next new passion.

00:15:33.000 I always had to figure out something new and crazy.

00:15:35.000 Yeah, I'm going to go to Antarctica.

00:15:36.000 I'm going to climb out Everest. 1.00

00:15:37.000 I'm going to go do something stupid. 1.00

00:15:39.000 This is my something stupid. 1.00

00:15:40.000 It was really just a... 0.99

00:15:41.000 I had so many TV shows on the air at the time.

00:15:43.000 My sponsor was like, hey, we want to treat you. 1.00

00:15:45.000 Why don't you go down doing this stupid celebrity race? 1.00

00:15:47.000 And then I just haven't returned. 0.99

00:15:49.000 Well, Bud was also, for folks who don't know, was one of the owners of the King of the Cage back in the day.

00:15:54.000 And Bud and I met at Jiu-Jitsu.

00:15:55.000 We trained at John Jock Machado's.

00:15:57.000 We're both students at John Jock's. 1.00

00:15:59.000 And you were always involved in a bunch of fucking nutty shit. 1.00

00:16:03.000 You were always off doing something Looney Tunes. 1.00

00:16:06.000 But this one, man, this one stuck like glue.

00:16:08.000 This Baja thing. 1.00

00:16:10.000 Boy, you would get this look in your eye like a fucking junkie. 1.00

00:16:13.000 When you would start talking about it, like a crazed crackhead. 1.00

00:16:16.000 Just looking to get that neck fixed. 0.96

00:16:19.000 He's a king jockey.

00:16:21.000 Well, I'm sure with a 900-horsepower car flying around going 140 miles an hour over bumps.

00:16:28.000 It is nothing like you've ever seen, though.

00:16:30.000 I talk to people, like a good friend of mine, Andrew Hendricks, he raced SCCA for years, right?

00:16:36.000 So he's got his Mustang, he's got an Audi, he's racing SCCA in the American Le Mans series, and they're fast, and he's loving it.

00:16:43.000 He took one ride in a trophy truck, sold his stuff, and he's got five trophy trucks now, and he's going to start racing.

00:16:48.000 So flat ground got boring.

00:16:50.000 Flat ground always gets boring. 1.00

00:16:51.000 Going around in a fucking circle, it's stupid. 1.00

00:16:53.000 You're going around a circle, you're going... 1.00

00:16:54.000 Left, left, left.

00:16:56.000 Is it bad for your brain, like, bouncing up and down?

00:16:59.000 I talked to a guy who's an expert in...

00:17:03.000 Not that I know of. 1.00

00:17:03.000 There's a lot of shit bad for your brain. 1.00

00:17:05.000 That's what I'm saying. 1.00

00:17:06.000 My whole life, I'm looking at all my choices.

00:17:08.000 It's amazing.

00:17:09.000 I talk for a living.

00:17:12.000 I'm not sure if there's anything I don't do that's not bad for my brain.

00:17:16.000 But the bouncing around, apparently he was telling me that even just jet skiing or water skiing, like getting pulled behind a boat and bouncing up and down, he's like, that's really bad for your brain.

00:17:29.000 There's nowhere in nature...

00:17:30.000 Where you, like, hit water and have your head snap up and down like that.

00:17:37.000 He's like, in nature, it's like, what, running?

00:17:40.000 Maybe the occasional jump?

00:17:42.000 You jump over things?

00:17:43.000 You're avoiding animals that are trying to eat you.

00:17:45.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:17:45.000 But you know, the human body's an amazing thing, right?

00:17:48.000 So my very first race, I don't think I could feel my neck or my head for about three days afterwards.

00:17:53.000 My neck was so sore.

00:17:55.000 And at the time, and I've actually been a lot smarter in technology, they gave me the heaviest, oldest, crappiest helmet.

00:18:00.000 It must have weighed six pounds.

00:18:02.000 Here, put this on.

00:18:03.000 And then I was in the car for 36 hours with this helmet on, and I thought my head was going to come off.

00:18:07.000 You get a Mike Tyson neck from that.

00:18:09.000 I probably do a good workout.

00:18:11.000 I do.

00:18:12.000 For training for the thing, I put a 25-pound plate on my head, then I do this, then I do that.

00:18:16.000 I'm not kidding.

00:18:17.000 I believe you.

00:18:18.000 Your body starts to evolve and can absorb that.

00:18:21.000 And the thing that helps you the most is you're almost like a drunk driving.

00:18:26.000 You just relax.

00:18:27.000 Do your seatbelts? 1.00

00:18:28.000 Just fucking relax. 0.99

00:18:30.000 Rob and I will go take guys for a ride. 0.99

00:18:32.000 We do it on occasion. 0.99

00:18:33.000 They're over on the holy shit bar, and they're tense, and they're so tense, and their seatbelts are sucked down. 0.99

00:18:38.000 They stop breathing, too. 0.98

00:18:38.000 Yeah, and they suck their, um, we actually took a SEAL team guy who was on my team in 09, but he put his seatbelt so tight, it, like, starts hurting their clavicle, your clavicles start crushing down your sternum, your sternum starts separating from your chest, and I'm not kidding, he's like, I think my heart hurts. 0.98

00:18:52.000 I'm like, I swear to God! 0.98

00:18:55.000 Am I joking?

00:18:56.000 No, absolutely not.

00:18:57.000 My heart hurts.

00:18:57.000 I think I hurt my heart.

00:18:58.000 I'm like, no, just what happens, really, you push so much on the clavicle, down, sucking down, and your chest is moving.

00:19:04.000 You're separating your ribs?

00:19:05.000 You're separating the center of your sternum out.

00:19:07.000 So like the area that they cut open when they give you open heart surgery?

00:19:10.000 Yeah, it starts separating.

00:19:11.000 It gets cartilage right here.

00:19:12.000 Oh, God.

00:19:12.000 And I'm like, you're not having a heart attack.

00:19:14.000 You just put your things... 1.00

00:19:15.000 Come on, pussy. 1.00

00:19:16.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:19:18.000 You know I took Josh Barnett.

00:19:19.000 Did you?

00:19:20.000 Two years ago, yeah.

00:19:21.000 I know a lot of MMA guys do it.

00:19:23.000 Doesn't Apple, Eric Apple, he goes down there a lot?

00:19:25.000 No, he's been down there a lot.

00:19:27.000 He does short course racing.

00:19:28.000 Yeah, he did short course racing.

00:19:30.000 He does a lot of racing.

00:19:31.000 He told me he was involved in some horrible, horrible wreck racing.

00:19:34.000 It was bad, yeah.

00:19:34.000 He did a nose.

00:19:35.000 Did you see that?

00:19:36.000 I think it was like Elsinore.

00:19:37.000 He was in that West Coast Chill truck.

00:19:39.000 Oh, yeah.

00:19:39.000 That went over and over and over.

00:19:41.000 Yeah, he got blood in his eye and got all kinds of funky.

00:19:45.000 I think he had all sorts of bleeding.

00:19:47.000 Yeah.

00:19:47.000 Head bleeding.

00:19:48.000 Yeah, and he's a novice.

00:19:50.000 He's a great friend of ours, but he's a novice.

00:19:51.000 He hasn't raced as much.

00:19:52.000 But yeah, that was... 1.00

00:19:53.000 Well, he's another fucking nut, right? 0.99

00:19:55.000 I mean, he started out his career doing... 1.00

00:19:57.000 Motorcycle racing.

00:19:58.000 Yeah, motorcycle racing, then got into MMA, and now another crazy adrenaline junkie.

00:20:03.000 The idea behind this is all based on competition.

00:20:08.000 It's one of the things we were talking about.

00:20:09.000 Like, there's very little money in this.

00:20:13.000 Yeah, it's really, you know, it's a beautiful sport because you don't really have to have a lot of money to get in certain classes, and then there's the upper echelon class, like Rob's class, and there's not, and I'll stop talking in a minute, there's not a lot of money into it.

00:20:26.000 But I don't think there's a lot, how much money is in yacht racing?

00:20:29.000 I mean, all the really big sports or things that are on a bucket list, you know, there's not a lot of money in climbing on Mount Everest.

00:20:36.000 It's actually cost you 25 grand if you want to go do it.

00:20:38.000 It's just one of those things you have to go do.

00:20:40.000 Right.

00:20:40.000 It's passion-driven.

00:20:41.000 I mean, we get addicted to it.

00:20:43.000 It's like a drug, and we end up spending everything that we have to do it.

00:20:47.000 The smaller classes, they run anywhere from $20,000 to $50,000.

00:20:52.000 Trophy trucks like I drive, they're $500,000.

00:20:54.000 That's a $500,000 truck?

00:20:56.000 Yep.

00:20:57.000 Oh, my God.

00:20:58.000 Pull up a picture of one of those.

00:20:59.000 What would he look for?

00:21:01.000 Trophy trucks.

00:21:02.000 No, just do Rob McCacken.

00:21:03.000 Do you have one on your site?

00:21:04.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:21:05.000 Yeah, robmccacken.com.

00:21:07.000 You'll pull it up.

00:21:08.000 For me, too, there's a mystique around Baja for some reason.

00:21:12.000 The essence of cool is you're trying to Figure yourself out in your 20s and your 30s, and you look back at Steve McQueen, guys like Steve McQueen and James Gardner and all these other cool...

00:21:23.000 Paul Newman.

00:21:24.000 They all raced the race.

00:21:25.000 I mean, they did this race before, and they went down there, and they raced...

00:21:29.000 I mean, McQueen almost won it a couple times.

00:21:31.000 Really?

00:21:32.000 Paul Newman raced it when he was 80. He was 80 when he went down there and raced.

00:21:36.000 I mean, these cool guys...

00:21:37.000 That might be what killed them.

00:21:38.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:21:39.000 Poor bastard. 0.99

00:21:40.000 These cool guys want to go down there and race, so there's a cool mystique to it. 0.99

00:21:44.000 I mean, the list of celebrities and people want to go down there and race.

00:21:46.000 It's just interesting.

00:21:47.000 Thank you.

00:21:48.000 Yeah, I guess.

00:21:50.000 It's a very strange thing that this has become...

00:21:52.000 So is that the truck?

00:21:54.000 Yeah, that's actually...

00:21:54.000 Okay, that's the image of your trophy truck.

00:21:57.000 Yep, that's actually a short course truck there.

00:21:59.000 I do short course racing too.

00:22:00.000 That's a pro too.

00:22:02.000 Why is there a naked girl next to you? 1.00

00:22:03.000 Does she race with you? 0.96

00:22:04.000 That would make racing better.

00:22:06.000 Absolutely.

00:22:07.000 That's Rockstar, the image.

00:22:09.000 Always have the ladies in the posters. 1.00

00:22:11.000 Oh, Rockstar energy drink.

00:22:12.000 Rockstar energy drink, yes.

00:22:13.000 You're not like one of those dudes like, I'm a rock star.

00:22:16.000 I'm out there driving around, I'm a rock star.

00:22:17.000 No.

00:22:18.000 He's the most humble driver out there.

00:22:19.000 There's a lot of guys out there.

00:22:20.000 I just wanted to let people know who are just listening.

00:22:22.000 A lot of people watch this, more people listen and watch it.

00:22:25.000 So the idea behind it came when?

00:22:28.000 Like what year did this race get created? 0.68

00:22:31.000 I don't know.

00:22:32.000 Probably in the early 60s.

00:22:33.000 Want to hear my version of it?

00:22:34.000 Yeah, go ahead.

00:22:36.000 And then I'll fix it.

00:22:39.000 I read once.

00:22:41.000 No, in 62, I'll tell you exactly how it happened.

00:22:45.000 In 62, the Honda Motor Company decided that they were going to put out two enduro bikes, right?

00:22:49.000 In 1962. Steve McQueen's stunt guy, his name's Dave Eakins.

00:22:54.000 Bud Eakins was his stunt double in a lot of the races, and I'll make this short.

00:22:57.000 They said, how are we going to test these bikes and market to Americans? 0.99

00:23:00.000 These guys are just racers and idiots, and they wanted to go, okay, we're going to go, and swear to God, this is what happened. 0.97

00:23:06.000 They went in 1962, they went to Tijuana, they went to Western Union, they timestamped a card, and they went down to La Paz, and they timestamped a card. 0.99

00:23:14.000 No navigation, no nothing, and it made the Baja Peninsula.

00:23:17.000 That was the very first run in the 60s.

00:23:20.000 That happened.

00:23:20.000 And then all of a sudden, so they did a time.

00:23:22.000 It's kind of like, you know, you know the gumball rally?

00:23:25.000 This is like the gumball rally, but on dirt with a huge car.

00:23:28.000 So they did their rally and then they posted a time.

00:23:31.000 It's like, we did that in 35 minutes.

00:23:32.000 So then somebody else came back, or 35 hours, sorry.

00:23:35.000 Somebody else came back and says, okay, wait, well, we can beat that.

00:23:38.000 So they did it in 32 hours.

00:23:39.000 And if you look at the heritage of people going down there and saying, I can beat that.

00:23:44.000 And then trucks started going down there and then cars started going down there.

00:23:47.000 And then in 67, there was a race.

00:23:50.000 In 1967 there was a race, a Nora, right, was the first Nora.

00:23:54.000 And then an icon in my world, right, Mickey Thompson, who's an icon in motorsports for everything he's done in land speed and off-road and everything.

00:24:03.000 Is he the guy that drove the rocket car?

00:24:05.000 Yeah, he did.

00:24:06.000 He built land speed records.

00:24:08.000 Mickey Thompson in the motorsports world is just a genius.

00:24:15.000 He's just kind of a pioneer in a lot of ways.

00:24:17.000 He was always ahead of the game.

00:24:18.000 He was always building and pioneering something before it's time.

00:24:22.000 Him and Perlman got together and said, let's do a race.

00:24:24.000 So they started off in Tijuana, and there was a couple hundred guys.

00:24:28.000 I mean, Gardner was in there, Steve McQueen was in there.

00:24:31.000 There were guys, I'm not kidding, who had shoulder pads, like football shoulder pads on a motorcycle, dropped the flag, and they all go.

00:24:39.000 Wow.

00:24:40.000 Wow.

00:24:40.000 So that's what started it all off.

00:24:42.000 It's a wild frontier, and I'm telling you, there's no rules.

00:24:46.000 Someone's in your way.

00:24:48.000 You honk nicely, nicely, and if they don't move, you move them.

00:24:51.000 Like you punt them.

00:24:53.000 You run into them?

00:24:54.000 With cars?

00:24:55.000 Yes!

00:24:56.000 So, humans or cars?

00:24:58.000 You're running into humans or you're running into cars?

00:25:00.000 Cars.

00:25:01.000 Depends on the day.

00:25:03.000 For me, it's cars.

00:25:05.000 Try not to run into humans.

00:25:06.000 That's not good.

00:25:07.000 But you told me that there's a lot of shenanigans that go on with the locals.

00:25:12.000 The locals know that this event is going to take place.

00:25:15.000 A lot of what we talked about, we talked about before we went live on the air.

00:25:19.000 But besides the fact that they try to touch the cars, if you see the videos, I don't know, how much of this stuff can we show?

00:25:27.000 We can't play the music?

00:25:28.000 Is that what it is?

00:25:29.000 No, you can play all the other ones, the other videos I sent you.

00:25:33.000 Here's a video right here. 0.99

00:25:34.000 Look how wide that fucking thing is. 0.99

00:25:37.000 Yeah, it's about 92 inches wide, which is about... 0.99

00:25:40.000 It's about 15 inches wider than a normal truck, and there we are going across the dry lake at about 130. And that's your trophy truck?

00:25:46.000 Yeah, that's a trophy truck.

00:25:47.000 That's Baja, California.

00:25:48.000 Whoa, that looks fun!

00:25:50.000 It is fun.

00:25:51.000 But look how close those people get.

00:25:53.000 Yeah, down there in Baja, I mean, this is the biggest sport that they have, and they wait year-round for us to come down there, and they have such huge passion for it like I do.

00:26:03.000 At times, they want to touch the truck.

00:26:04.000 You'll go by and you'll see them trying to reach out and grab the truck.

00:26:07.000 Some of the other things, the shenanigans they do is, I think?

00:26:27.000 And I think you can piece together your whole race by them with their phone cameras.

00:26:32.000 If they all posted it, you could pretty much put the whole race together. 0.96

00:26:35.000 Because there's thousands, so I'll put it in perspective.

00:26:38.000 First of all, the Mexican people are amazing.

00:26:40.000 They're amazing to us.

00:26:41.000 And it sounds like I'm making excuses for them, but they are innocent enough where they just decide, like, they truly, and I had to learn this the hard way, I had a celebrity in my car when I was driving.

00:26:50.000 Just a random celebrity?

00:26:52.000 Yeah.

00:26:53.000 No, I had actually Chip Foose with me in my car.

00:26:56.000 Okay.

00:26:56.000 And we're driving, and I'm doing about 90, just a random dirt road, and I see a bunch of people over here, right?

00:27:02.000 Okay, I gotta make sure to watch them, make sure they're not darting out in front of me, and then I see some random people over here with a fire, and there's a lot of them, and it's dusk, and they both have fires on the side of this road, and I'm like, this is strange. 0.98

00:27:13.000 What are those fucking people doing on the side of the road? 0.98

00:27:15.000 Boom! 1.00

00:27:16.000 And I hit a telephone pole they buried in the middle of the road, right?

00:27:19.000 And I went up like this, and I'm coming down at 90 miles an hour. 1.00

00:27:23.000 I'm like, oh, fuck. 0.99

00:27:23.000 This is going to be terrible. 0.99

00:27:25.000 Luckily, the car absorbed it.

00:27:26.000 We nerfed in, bounced off, and kept going. 1.00

00:27:29.000 I didn't even see the telephone pole because I'm an idiot. 0.99

00:27:31.000 I'm a newbie, and I'm looking. 1.00

00:27:32.000 A bunch of Mexicans over there.

00:27:34.000 There's a bunch of guys over there.

00:27:35.000 That's really nice of these people coming out to see us.

00:27:38.000 So they thought it was cute to set up this booby trap just to watch people try to jump it and go flying through the air.

00:27:45.000 Well, I think the rednecks would do the same thing. 1.00

00:27:47.000 If you didn't have those fences at the Daytona 500 and they could actually fix the outcome, like, we're going to see if Dale Jr. could jump this car, right?

00:27:56.000 Oh, for sure.

00:27:57.000 They would do it.

00:27:57.000 But that's what it is in Mexico.

00:27:59.000 There's no fences.

00:28:00.000 There's no fences.

00:28:02.000 They're able to go wherever they want.

00:28:03.000 Well, and the capabilities of these trucks are pretty extraordinary.

00:28:06.000 They're very different than anything that a NASCAR car could do.

00:28:10.000 They're not necessarily...

00:28:11.000 I have a belief. 0.73

00:28:12.000 Some people throw bottles and shit like that, but they're not necessarily out to kill us or hurt us, because actually after they wreck us, they'll help us... 0.98

00:28:19.000 I've had them wreck before in a booby trap, and they'll roll the car over, they'll help you fix a car with a welder, they'll help you change a tire, and they'll push you on your way. 0.97

00:28:27.000 They not only throw bottles, but they throw rocks sometimes.

00:28:31.000 They've thrown snakes in the cab of the truck.

00:28:33.000 They've thrown snakes in the cab of the truck?

00:28:36.000 Yeah.

00:28:36.000 To you?

00:28:37.000 No, it didn't happen to me, but my partner with Mastercraft Racing, he was coming into Ensenada, coming to the finish at night.

00:28:43.000 Robbie?

00:28:43.000 Yeah, Robbie Pierce from Mastercraft.

00:28:45.000 He got a snake thrown in the cab of the truck.

00:28:48.000 Thankfully it's not me because I don't really care for snakes.

00:28:51.000 What kind of snake?

00:28:51.000 I don't know.

00:28:52.000 I know it's a wild snake.

00:28:53.000 Who cares if it's poisonous or non-poisonous?

00:28:56.000 Who cares if you're driving 80 miles an hour and a snake hits it and you look down, it might as well be a cobra at that point.

00:29:01.000 If you're really hardcore, you put it in your teeth and you keep driving. 1.00

00:29:05.000 It's parked on its head and you go, fuck you! 1.00

00:29:08.000 At that point you just pull over and get the fuck out of the car. 1.00

00:29:11.000 So, was technology developed specifically for this race to figure out how to drive fast and hit those bumps? 0.92

00:29:20.000 I mean, I'm fairly... 0.99

00:29:23.000 Ignorant. 0.97

00:29:24.000 I mean, I kind of understand suspensions. 0.96

00:29:27.000 I kind of see.

00:29:28.000 But it's pretty obvious when I look at your trophy truck that there's some extraordinary equipment on that.

00:29:33.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:29:34.000 It's developed over the years.

00:29:35.000 You know, like when Bud was telling the story earlier about how it started in the 60s, they were taking stock trucks down there, putting a little bit bigger tires on them, taking the windshields out of them, stuff like that, putting some extra seatbelts in them.

00:29:45.000 And now it's just developed into, you know, big, tall tires that weigh Tire and wheel probably weighs 150 pounds a piece.

00:29:53.000 Shocks, $15,000 for a set of shocks for the truck.

00:29:57.000 900 horsepower, like I said.

00:29:59.000 Some of us have automatic trannies, some of them manual trannies. 0.99

00:30:04.000 Like a baseball stadium.

00:30:06.000 I have KC Lights as a sponsor and run seven of them on the roof and seven of them on the front bumper.

00:30:11.000 You can see a mile down the road and light up the whole desert.

00:30:15.000 Wow.

00:30:15.000 Over the years, we keep developing, making things better.

00:30:19.000 It's the whole ego thing.

00:30:20.000 You want to be the first one to La Paz.

00:30:22.000 You're constantly thinking about what can you do, what can you make, what can you build to make it go faster.

00:30:28.000 Go ahead.

00:30:28.000 No, please.

00:30:29.000 No, I mean, there's an entire industry that was spawned off of this.

00:30:32.000 This is a halo, right?

00:30:33.000 So trophy trucks and Baja racing is a halo for any brand.

00:30:36.000 It doesn't really matter what it is.

00:30:37.000 We entertain brands.

00:30:38.000 We said Ford, BF Goodrich, KC. They can go down there and conquer Baja. 1.00

00:30:43.000 GoPro, you name the company, and they want to go to Baja.

00:30:46.000 And they always come to me because I'm the media guy, and they're like, how do we do this?

00:30:49.000 I'm like, I don't know. 0.96

00:30:50.000 I'll hook up with a trophy truck, and we'll go beat the shit out of your product and see if it works. 1.00

00:30:55.000 There's an entire industry.

00:30:57.000 If you go to SEMA, which is that big, you know, aftermarket parts thing, there's an entire industry which is dedicated to off-road, and the halo of off-road is Baja 1000 Racing.

00:31:05.000 It's the halo.

00:31:06.000 It doesn't really...

00:31:06.000 When you say it's the halo, what do you mean by that?

00:31:09.000 Yeah, it's really the pinnacle.

00:31:12.000 If you go to racing, like NASCAR, F1, you know, stuff is developed and then trickles down.

00:31:17.000 So there is a pass-through from everything that Rob is...

00:31:20.000 Because he complains a lot.

00:31:21.000 Everything that Rob complains, because it's not fast enough, it's not good enough...

00:31:24.000 That's how you get a 900 horsepower truck that goes two miles to the gallon. 0.60

00:31:29.000 He'll talk to his shock cover.

00:31:30.000 I hit a shock.

00:31:31.000 I hit this bump one time at 85 miles an hour.

00:31:33.000 And I felt it.

00:31:33.000 I felt it.

00:31:34.000 And I don't want to feel it. 1.00

00:31:35.000 I drive, all due respect, he drives a fucking pillow. 0.99

00:31:39.000 I mean, that thing drives, it just, it drives. 0.99

00:31:41.000 So when you're going all over those crazy bumps and shit, you're fairly level. 0.94

00:31:45.000 Nothing. 0.97

00:31:46.000 He feels nothing.

00:31:55.000 Wow.

00:31:58.000 And that's the development over all the years.

00:32:00.000 And thankfully, I'm in the trophy truck class, which is the elite class.

00:32:04.000 I've worked my way up from the bottom, driven through them all, and definitely don't want to go back.

00:32:08.000 Thanks.

00:32:08.000 Appreciate that.

00:32:09.000 Well, what's the difference?

00:32:10.000 The bottom ones, like, how many classes are there?

00:32:14.000 Well, there's more than ten classes.

00:32:16.000 There's probably six or eight truck classes, and there's six or eight buggy classes, and there's also motorcycles.

00:32:22.000 And ATVs.

00:32:25.000 There ends up being over 20 classes at the PAW 1000, and they all compete against their own class.

00:32:30.000 They all start at their own time together against a clock.

00:32:32.000 We're racing all together at the track at the same time, but we're separated by start time.

00:32:38.000 So you're really racing the clock.

00:32:39.000 You do have traffic.

00:32:40.000 You do have to get by the guys to get the win.

00:32:47.000 What happened there?

00:32:49.000 I'm so used to Bud jumping on me.

00:32:52.000 You're flinching!

00:32:53.000 So, when you're driving these things, it's very different than the cheaper trucks.

00:32:59.000 Yeah.

00:33:00.000 I don't want to say cheaper, because none of them are cheap, but the different classes.

00:33:03.000 Yeah, well, the different classes.

00:33:04.000 The entry-level classes.

00:33:05.000 Yep, exactly.

00:33:06.000 You've got to have your entry-level classes, and they're a lot more stock.

00:33:08.000 They don't have as much wheel travel.

00:33:10.000 They've got 8 or 10 inches of wheel travel in the truck, smaller tires.

00:33:13.000 They're just restricted a lot more.

00:33:16.000 Those cars are a lot more difficult.

00:33:17.000 They beat you up a lot more.

00:33:18.000 They take a lot longer to get down the peninsula.

00:33:21.000 Yeah, that's what I was going to get at.

00:33:22.000 So when you first started out, you took much more of a beating.

00:33:25.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:33:25.000 So now, that's why you're into these really cushy rides.

00:33:30.000 You've been there, done that.

00:33:31.000 I've been there, done that.

00:33:31.000 I want to work my way up and get to the top of the sport.

00:33:34.000 I've been doing it for 30 years, and I've been in the elite class since the mid-90s.

00:33:38.000 So this is a good vehicle for the apocalypse, except for the fact that he uses so much fuel.

00:33:44.000 Yeah, but if you have a gun, you can get fuel.

00:33:46.000 Yeah, but you've got to make your own fuel at a certain point.

00:33:48.000 I mean, you're not running diesel, right?

00:33:50.000 No.

00:33:50.000 See?

00:33:51.000 That's the problem.

00:33:52.000 You know Neil Young makes his own diesel? 0.93

00:33:54.000 I think Daryl Hannah makes her own diesel out of vegetable oil and crap like that. 1.00

00:33:58.000 Yeah.

00:33:58.000 Well, Neil Young apparently has this gigantic farm.

00:34:02.000 He has like a thousand plus acre ranch in Northern California.

00:34:06.000 And he makes his own biodiesel and runs all his vehicles off of his own gasoline.

00:34:12.000 So he's completely, totally off the grid.

00:34:14.000 They do like a conversion on the old Mercedes?

00:34:16.000 Yeah, you can do a conversion on any kind of old car.

00:34:19.000 Well, even new cars, apparently.

00:34:21.000 On the diesel, right?

00:34:22.000 You can do conversions to biodiesel.

00:34:24.000 Yeah.

00:34:25.000 Actually, I was going to run one year.

00:34:28.000 Show that picture, Jamie?

00:34:30.000 What did you put up?

00:34:30.000 Neil Young's 59 Lincoln runs on biodiesel and can be plugged in.

00:34:34.000 Wow.

00:34:35.000 I like that.

00:34:36.000 That's pretty dope.

00:34:38.000 I was working on a deal where I was going to do a truck, an all-electric truck down there.

00:34:41.000 Oh.

00:34:41.000 Instead of switching out gas.

00:34:43.000 Is that possible?

00:34:44.000 Yeah, it's possible.

00:34:45.000 I mean, the lithium batteries, because I was involved with a truck company, and my answer is very stock.

00:34:50.000 What can we do to market this thing?

00:34:52.000 Raise it.

00:34:53.000 I don't care what it is.

00:34:54.000 It could be a mini bike.

00:34:55.000 My answer is race it.

00:34:56.000 We should probably go race it, right?

00:34:58.000 I don't care.

00:35:00.000 Could you do a...

00:35:01.000 I mean, is it feasible that you could have enough battery power to do that?

00:35:05.000 Sure.

00:35:05.000 Yeah, and the torque would be amazing.

00:35:06.000 That's why I want to do that.

00:35:07.000 Torque on those electric motors are amazing.

00:35:09.000 The problem is I don't think you would go...

00:35:11.000 My pits, not his.

00:35:12.000 My pits are about 120 miles apart, and that'd be hard to get there.

00:35:15.000 Yeah, my buddy Aubrey has one of those Teslas.

00:35:18.000 Right.

00:35:18.000 And the pickup is incredible.

00:35:20.000 Like, I was really shocked at how fast those things go.

00:35:24.000 Like, the zero to 60 is like four seconds.

00:35:26.000 Right.

00:35:26.000 It's bananas.

00:35:27.000 And it's weird because there's no gears.

00:35:29.000 It's just...

00:35:30.000 You're just going.

00:35:31.000 It's not like...

00:35:32.000 It's very digital, yeah.

00:35:34.000 It's just...

00:35:36.000 It's very much like a spaceship.

00:35:38.000 You hit the grass, completely silent.

00:35:40.000 You hear the tires rolling on the rubber, the rubber rolling on the concrete, and that's it.

00:35:45.000 You don't hear anything.

00:35:47.000 It's very strange.

00:35:48.000 That'd be a little bit scary in Baja, because the spectators, they're used to hearing the race vehicle coming.

00:35:53.000 Electric, they probably wouldn't hear it coming, right?

00:35:55.000 We could play that polka music or something on it.

00:35:58.000 Yeah, there you go.

00:36:01.000 You would have to have so many batteries, though.

00:36:04.000 What I'm thinking is like a Tesla, if you go from the beginning fully charged to the end, you're getting like 300 miles, I think?

00:36:11.000 Yeah, but that's all I would need to do.

00:36:13.000 We planned it out.

00:36:13.000 It'd be 120 miles to charge.

00:36:15.000 So you build a carriage underneath, which are about 700-800 pounds of batteries, and then you get to the next pit, you have a fully charged set of batteries, you drop that carriage I'd be in my own class and I could provide them, whatever company it was, at the time it was a company called Phoenix, I could provide them with a Baja 1000 Win as a marketing campaign.

00:36:32.000 Has Ford or any of these other companies ever thought about doing something like that?

00:36:38.000 Ford is amazing at it because they do use Baja a lot.

00:36:41.000 Last year, I raced the brand new F-150, the 2015 F-150, which is a twin-turbocharged V6 in the stock class.

00:36:50.000 That's stock suspension, stock tire.

00:36:52.000 Everything's stock on the car.

00:36:53.000 Twin-turbocharged V6. And we did the Raptor together.

00:36:56.000 I did the Raptor.

00:36:57.000 He was on the testing.

00:36:58.000 And I raced the F-150 last year.

00:37:00.000 And when you race an F-150, how much of it is different than what you would buy off a showroom floor?

00:37:05.000 Nothing.

00:37:06.000 Roll cage. 0.98

00:37:07.000 We had a fuel cell roll cage, spare tire.

00:37:09.000 That one, I had a radio, and we had cup holders.

00:37:13.000 I remember looking at some of the videos, there's a cup holder in there.

00:37:15.000 You can look it up online.

00:37:16.000 F-150 races the Baja 1000. There's me, and you're going to laugh at me.

00:37:20.000 That's it right there.

00:37:21.000 No.

00:37:22.000 That seems pretty different.

00:37:23.000 No, that's not mine.

00:37:24.000 Different fenders.

00:37:24.000 That's not mine.

00:37:25.000 No, you'll see mine.

00:37:26.000 It's the 2012 Baja 1000. And they pissed me off because I told them they did this to make me mad, but they made me wear a white driving suit.

00:37:34.000 For folks who don't know, Bud wears... 0.99

00:37:36.000 Bud, you're the weirdest fucking dude I've ever met when it comes to clothes. 0.99

00:37:40.000 You go over to Bud's house, he's got all black pants, all black shirts, his whole fucking wardrobe, his entire closet is black shirts, black pants, black t-shirts, black underwear, I'm assuming? 1.00

00:37:52.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:37:53.000 Black socks.

00:37:54.000 Black socks.

00:37:54.000 Black sneakers.

00:37:55.000 Yep.

00:37:56.000 He just doesn't want to think about colors.

00:37:58.000 No.

00:37:58.000 So when they hit you with some white, did you wear it?

00:38:01.000 Or did you just get a marker and sharpen it?

00:38:03.000 I was pretty upset.

00:38:04.000 Luckily, I didn't have to get in the car at the beginning.

00:38:06.000 And the weather was pretty cold.

00:38:09.000 So I had a black slicker I put on the top.

00:38:11.000 So it rained on you and you rolled around in the dirt?

00:38:14.000 In your white driver's suit.

00:38:15.000 I've been trying to get Bud High for so long to get him to smoke pot. 1.00

00:38:20.000 And I'm like, the first thing you're going to do is throw away those fucking black clothes. 0.99

00:38:23.000 You're going to go, look at all these pretty colors I could choose. 1.00

00:38:26.000 Just let me get a...

00:38:28.000 Let me get a little color in my wardrobe.

00:38:29.000 So when I get stoned, I start wearing pastels?

00:38:31.000 You'll start enjoying different colors. 0.98

00:38:33.000 You'll start realizing how ridiculous it is. 1.00

00:38:35.000 We turn you into Andy Dick and you can wear pastels and shit? 1.00

00:38:37.000 It's not Andy Dick. 0.99

00:38:38.000 I'm just saying you have an appreciation for other colors.

00:38:42.000 No.

00:38:46.000 No.

00:38:46.000 I think if I smoke pot, which I'm not going to, I'd be more into the Dark Lord world, and I'll have maybe skulls on my t-shirts.

00:38:53.000 Wow, you would get darker?

00:38:54.000 Yeah.

00:38:55.000 Okay.

00:38:56.000 Now, when you drive an F-150, do you use, like, regular tires?

00:39:00.000 Like, you take tires that are right off of a showroom floor?

00:39:03.000 Yeah, we had the new BF Grudich KO2s that we raced on this truck.

00:39:08.000 Normal suspension, regular F-150 suspension.

00:39:10.000 Stock.

00:39:11.000 Dude, we went hunting at Tohono Ranch up near Bakersfield.

00:39:16.000 For TV, right?

00:39:17.000 You did that TV thing?

00:39:17.000 No, no, no.

00:39:18.000 This was a recent one.

00:39:19.000 We went wild pig hunting.

00:39:21.000 Tohono Ranch is this huge ranch.

00:39:23.000 It's 1,700,000 acres.

00:39:26.000 Biggest ranch in California.

00:39:27.000 Huge place.

00:39:28.000 And this guy Cody, who's one of the guides there, one of the hunting guides...

00:39:33.000 Drove us all around an F-150.

00:39:35.000 And I mean, talking horrific terrain. 0.99

00:39:37.000 And this fucking thing is driving over rocks. 0.99

00:39:40.000 And I was so impressed. 0.99

00:39:42.000 I was like, this is one of the best commercials for an F-150 you could ever get.

00:39:47.000 If you're thinking about buying one of these things, what's an F-150 capable of? 0.98

00:39:51.000 Go fucking drive around to Hone Ranch for a couple of days in one of these things. 0.98

00:39:54.000 And think if you would want to do this on anything else. 0.99

00:39:57.000 This is what I... Oh, that's the Raptor that Rob and I were involved with the development of.

00:40:02.000 So that's a custom Raptor.

00:40:04.000 That's not like a...

00:40:05.000 Yeah, we raced that in Class 8 and we built it out.

00:40:08.000 But that one still had the stock motor.

00:40:10.000 Yeah, stock motor, stock dash.

00:40:12.000 We did have custom suspension on it.

00:40:14.000 Actually, that's what caused me to race the F-150 last year.

00:40:18.000 Okay, well, we built the Raptor a little bit.

00:40:20.000 And, you know, people start chatting now online like, oh, that wasn't really stock.

00:40:24.000 So they made us race a stock car.

00:40:26.000 Oh, so just not even a Raptor, just a regular F-150.

00:40:30.000 A regular F-150.

00:40:31.000 Regular.

00:40:32.000 Now, did you bottom out at all with that?

00:40:35.000 That's probably an understatement, yeah, yeah.

00:40:38.000 You don't bottom out with your truck?

00:40:40.000 We do, but we're going three times as fast as the stock truck.

00:40:44.000 So it bottoms out.

00:40:45.000 You don't feel it quite as bad.

00:40:46.000 It doesn't do as much damage.

00:40:48.000 So the bottom of your F-150 was completely stock as well?

00:40:51.000 No plates or anything?

00:40:53.000 No, we definitely had a skid plate underneath to protect the motor underneath, yeah, because we bottomed out a lot.

00:41:00.000 That's what you see in the front of the Raptor, that front piece that comes down?

00:41:04.000 Skid plate.

00:41:04.000 That's a skid plate?

00:41:05.000 Yep.

00:41:05.000 So you just installed something along those lines?

00:41:07.000 Yep.

00:41:08.000 That's it?

00:41:08.000 Yep.

00:41:09.000 Wow.

00:41:09.000 And then after we raced it, I mean, the car was in such good shape, I can't even believe, because this year was, what, last year...

00:41:14.000 See if you pull up that video, F-150...

00:41:17.000 Races Baja?

00:41:18.000 Yeah, you'll see it.

00:41:19.000 We put it up online.

00:41:21.000 The Ford F-150, new F-150 races, Conker's Baja.

00:41:26.000 This was the toughest.

00:41:27.000 2012, 2013, sorry, was the single toughest Baja 1000 I've ever seen.

00:41:32.000 Why is that?

00:41:32.000 I don't know.

00:41:33.000 Roger Norman, who owns Score, decided it was his first Baja 1000 course.

00:41:36.000 This is my opinion.

00:41:37.000 I'll let Rob talk.

00:41:38.000 It was his first Baja 1000. He wanted to make a statement.

00:41:41.000 He's a former racer. 0.99

00:41:42.000 He wanted to make it the worst fucking course you ever, ever could drive. 0.98

00:41:46.000 And it was tough. 0.99

00:41:47.000 It was hard and slow and fast and gnarly.

00:41:50.000 How did they change it?

00:41:52.000 He just marks the course.

00:41:53.000 He goes down.

00:41:54.000 So this is the F-150?

00:41:55.000 Yeah, that's it.

00:41:56.000 That's me driving.

00:41:56.000 So that's a stock F-150 with just the lights on it.

00:41:59.000 Yep.

00:42:00.000 Wow.

00:42:00.000 That's you driving that thing?

00:42:01.000 Yep.

00:42:02.000 I have the blue helmet sitting in my... 1.00

00:42:03.000 It's a great F-150 fucking commercial. 0.99

00:42:05.000 I mean, Ford's really smart doing this. 0.99

00:42:07.000 I'm fucking never thought about racing in my life. 0.87

00:42:10.000 And now I'm thinking, God, I gotta do this. 0.98

00:42:13.000 Go with Rob.

00:42:13.000 Yeah, you gotta do it.

00:42:15.000 That's the way to go.

00:42:16.000 Go straight to the top.

00:42:18.000 Trophy truck.

00:42:18.000 Next time you're in Vegas, he lives in Vegas.

00:42:21.000 Next time you're in Vegas, he'll take you out to Prim, go for a ride, you'll shit yourself. 0.99

00:42:24.000 I'm there in May. 0.98

00:42:25.000 I'm there in May for the UFC. Incontinent.

00:42:27.000 You'll become incontinent.

00:42:28.000 I'll tell you what.

00:42:28.000 We'll make a deal.

00:42:28.000 I'll get you UFC tickets.

00:42:30.000 You take me for a fucking beat ride in the desert. 1.00

00:42:33.000 We're in. 1.00

00:42:34.000 His girlfriend would love that. 0.89

00:42:35.000 Amber would love to go to the UFC. Yeah. 1.00

00:42:37.000 All right.

00:42:37.000 Beautiful.

00:42:38.000 It's a good event, too.

00:42:39.000 It's TJ Dillashaw versus Hennon Burrell.

00:42:41.000 It should be fun.

00:42:43.000 Now, you guys have been involved in this for a long time.

00:42:46.000 How much has the popularity increased over the last few years?

00:42:49.000 Because it seems like there's a lot of exposure.

00:42:51.000 Like, I'm hearing about it all the time.

00:42:53.000 Maybe I'm hearing about it just because I'm friends with Bud.

00:42:55.000 But, I mean, I'm seeing it online.

00:42:57.000 I'm seeing, like, a lot of these crazy, like, Ramrunner-type trucks are being built.

00:43:04.000 Yeah, popularity, it's, you know, I've been doing it for 32 years, and it's increased.

00:43:09.000 Bud's definitely helping out a lot with score this year, you know, with television production, getting us out there on TV, putting very good shows together.

00:43:16.000 I think here at the end of April, April 20th, we'll be young.

00:43:18.000 April 20th, yeah.

00:43:19.000 We just did a deal with CBS. I told him this great story.

00:43:23.000 I won my race in 2012 in my class, and then Roger Norman, who's the new owner, came up to me and I swear to God, he's like, well, now you're a champion, you can produce TV for me, is what he said to me.

00:43:34.000 I was like, great!

00:43:34.000 And I get to happy, because you know me as I do TV, I do all my stuff, so now I get to kind of merge, and I always seem to do this, merge my two hobbies together.

00:43:42.000 When I was doing jiu-jitsu, we had king of the cage, right?

00:43:44.000 Right, right.

00:43:45.000 I gotta have a reason and really a television vehicle to do something, because then I get to kind of be cool in a sport.

00:43:50.000 Well, you're kind of a workaholic, and it helps you when you're doing jujitsu. 0.96

00:43:55.000 Well, you know, hey, I need to know what the fuck's going on when I'm watching fights. 0.98

00:43:58.000 Exactly right. 0.97

00:43:59.000 So it's a way to sort of...

00:44:03.000 Make a hobby a part of your job.

00:44:05.000 But you do.

00:44:05.000 My immersion style, like Rob will tell you, I've raced for 10 years and now I'm producing a TV. There's not much I haven't done or experienced down there, not like Rob has, but I know the racers feel comfortable, just like when you're commentating a fight.

00:44:18.000 The fighters feel comfortable that you're commentating, you know what the fuck they're doing, the setups.

00:44:22.000 I know what they're doing in the car. 0.53

00:44:23.000 I've been on the course.

00:44:24.000 Right, right.

00:44:25.000 And not in the super trucks, but I've been down there going, I know that course, I know what he's doing, this is what happens, that's a booby trap.

00:44:32.000 So when we're editing the show, I get to bring my experience into it.

00:44:35.000 Yeah, that's got to help a lot for the riders, for the drivers.

00:44:38.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:44:39.000 He has as much or more passion than I do, just riding around with him today and listening to him talk about all his stuff and how jacked up he gets when he watches the videos and stuff.

00:44:48.000 He's like a kid in a candy store. 0.96

00:44:50.000 Yeah, Bud's fucking show Rides is what got me to... 0.99

00:44:53.000 I've never thought about buying a classic car, but I watched his show Rides and I'm like, God damn, I want to get one of those that looks fucking cool. 0.99

00:45:00.000 I think the show's coming back, by the way. 0.89

00:45:01.000 Rides is coming back?

00:45:02.000 I'm working on it.

00:45:02.000 It should come back.

00:45:03.000 Jesus Christ.

00:45:03.000 And you have space right back there.

00:45:04.000 You could put two more cars.

00:45:05.000 Yeah.

00:45:05.000 There's space.

00:45:06.000 I got a little garage.

00:45:08.000 You could put two cars in.

00:45:08.000 I'm thinking of expanding.

00:45:10.000 I'm thinking of getting a bigger place that I could put an archery range in.

00:45:13.000 There's an archery range here, whether you know it or not.

00:45:16.000 There's targets in the back and there's a straight shot 28 yards from the front door to the back.

00:45:22.000 You gotta tag the werewolf? 0.78

00:45:23.000 Is that what you gotta do?

00:45:24.000 No, I have a compound bow site back there.

00:45:26.000 That's normal.

00:45:27.000 A compound bow target back there.

00:45:29.000 Absolutely normal.

00:45:30.000 Well, my new thing is hunting, and I've been doing that the last couple years. 0.97

00:45:34.000 I'm fucking bananas about that, the way you're bananas about racing. 0.91

00:45:38.000 So I'm trying to incorporate that into my life. 0.97

00:45:40.000 Yeah, but we do that too. 0.78

00:45:42.000 Yeah.

00:45:44.000 Kill animals on the race course every once in a while?

00:45:46.000 Yeah, but I don't think that's hunting.

00:45:47.000 I think that's just traffic jams.

00:45:50.000 That's just...

00:45:51.000 Livestock eating on the race course.

00:45:53.000 Yeah, back to the course getting tougher.

00:45:55.000 How do they make the course tougher?

00:45:58.000 Rob, you can enter that.

00:45:59.000 Roger...

00:46:01.000 He looks at the maps, tries to figure out the roughest, worst spots on the whole Baja Peninsula, and then tries to mark the course so it goes through all that.

00:46:09.000 He wanted to make a statement, wanted to make Baja tougher than ever, and he did it last 2013. It was a loop race from Ensenada to Ensenada.

00:46:17.000 It wasn't a peninsula run, but he went to all the worst parts of Baja and had us run through it.

00:46:22.000 So they changed the actual place you go to, so there's no benefit.

00:46:25.000 Oh, every year.

00:46:27.000 Every year.

00:46:27.000 Every year the course gets different.

00:46:29.000 Absolutely.

00:46:29.000 Every year it's different.

00:46:30.000 Maybe it runs the opposite direction.

00:46:31.000 Just different areas.

00:46:33.000 Because that becomes a big issue with, say, the Nürburgring, which is the benchmark that they use to test performance cars.

00:46:41.000 The issue becomes, when guys have raced the Nürburgring so many times, they know exactly when to slow down, exactly when to speed up, and that has a big effect on those Nürburgring times.

00:46:52.000 Because, you know, everyone's chasing that seven-minute time around the Nürburgring, and now...

00:46:57.000 Sub-7 minute in that Porsche 918. They've managed to go sub-7 minutes, which is fucking insane. 0.96

00:47:03.000 But a lot of that is those guys knowing that course. 0.92

00:47:05.000 Absolutely.

00:47:06.000 You don't have that.

00:47:07.000 No.

00:47:07.000 Our stuff changes every time.

00:47:09.000 It's different.

00:47:10.000 Even loop races, every time you come around, there's already been a hundred other cars that have been there since you had, and it's completely different.

00:47:15.000 Silt beds, rocks are moved.

00:47:17.000 So that's part of the thing that's so interesting about our sport is never the same.

00:47:21.000 Well, it's interesting.

00:47:23.000 The mayhem starts with the organizer.

00:47:25.000 So I want to put it in perspective.

00:47:27.000 So you know what a tough mudder is, right? 1.00

00:47:30.000 I've heard the expression.

00:47:31.000 So a tough mudder are those races they put through obstacle courses and through mud holes and you're going to climb up a wall and go through fire and crawl through barbed wire fences.

00:47:41.000 This is like a tough mudder. 0.92

00:47:42.000 Our organizer, which is Roger and some of the guys who marked the course, the mayhem starts with them because they'll put us through shit and they know we're going to get stuck. 0.96

00:47:51.000 Or they'll go, if he's not paying attention, he's going to hit that rock. 0.94

00:47:54.000 He's going to go flipping off the edge, and that'll be great. 0.97

00:47:56.000 These guys are sadistic pricks.

00:47:58.000 So they're saying we're going to set up a rock there to make sure we're going to set up the course by a rock. 0.96

00:48:04.000 So if you don't pay attention, you're going to go flying off the edge of a cliff.

00:48:08.000 Yes.

00:48:08.000 And I'm not kidding.

00:48:10.000 Sometimes it's really weird.

00:48:12.000 You'll be reading the terrain, reading the terrain.

00:48:13.000 You'll come up over this rise, and there's a left-hand turn.

00:48:16.000 And if you don't pay attention, you're off.

00:48:18.000 Oh! 0.60

00:48:19.000 Jesus Christ!

00:48:20.000 So it starts with the sadistic pricks that are down there marking the course.

00:48:23.000 Am I wrong?

00:48:24.000 No, absolutely right.

00:48:25.000 Well, you told me once that you were driving and you came upon a wreck and a guy had his bones sticking through his leg.

00:48:34.000 A guy broke his leg.

00:48:35.000 Right.

00:48:36.000 And it flipped off the side of a cliff, and you had to get down there, and locals were starting to creep in, and it got real sketchy.

00:48:44.000 No, no, that wasn't...

00:48:46.000 You're mixing two stories.

00:48:47.000 Am I? Yeah, the Josh Barnett story and then our wreck.

00:48:49.000 We had my team in 07, the BF Kodesh team in 07, had one of the worst wrecks in the planet.

00:48:55.000 Everybody thought the two drivers were dead, and I had to go in and get them.

00:48:58.000 And this is part of...

00:48:58.000 Again, this is an adventure race.

00:49:00.000 It's not car racing.

00:49:01.000 This is an adventure race.

00:49:02.000 And what happened in ours, our BC car went off the cliff at San Javier.

00:49:07.000 And to guys like us, you say he went off the cliff at San Javier. 0.99

00:49:10.000 It's fucking crazy. 0.98

00:49:11.000 How far? 0.99

00:49:13.000 300 feet.

00:49:14.000 And there are sections on the course where they're inverted, where it's like this, and you just hit.

00:49:19.000 So the car dropped 300 feet?

00:49:21.000 Rolled seven times.

00:49:23.000 300 feet.

00:49:24.000 Destroyed the car.

00:49:26.000 And I didn't know, because I went, we were just talking about it, I was down in Loretto, we went down to La Paz, and I got a call to go back to Loretto, because our car's in trouble.

00:49:34.000 And we can't find the car, and I didn't know where he's at, and then the guys in the car call my wife, 2 o'clock in the morning.

00:49:40.000 That's not good.

00:49:41.000 They call my wife on the sat phone, even though I told them how to use the sat phone.

00:49:44.000 Oh, no. 0.98

00:49:45.000 And they sound all fucked up, they're like, uh, is Bud there? 1.00

00:49:48.000 And Adrian's like, what the fuck? 0.99

00:49:52.000 So she calls me on my sad phone, goes like, somebody just called here from the house. 0.99

00:49:57.000 I'm like, alright, would they say they're where they're at?

00:49:58.000 It's like, no, they just hung up.

00:50:00.000 So now our car is off the course.

00:50:02.000 We know it's not moving because we can track it.

00:50:04.000 We don't know where they're at.

00:50:05.000 We can kind of tell where they were the last time.

00:50:08.000 So I did this.

00:50:09.000 Again, this is an adventure race.

00:50:11.000 And Rob's got 7 million of these stories. 1.00

00:50:13.000 I'll tell you one stupid story. 1.00

00:50:14.000 And then I'll shut up because I've been talking too much. 1.00

00:50:16.000 You keep saying I'm going to shut up. 0.78

00:50:17.000 You better stop saying that. 0.98

00:50:18.000 Don't shut up.

00:50:18.000 You're not supposed to shut up.

00:50:19.000 You're supposed to be here doing a podcast.

00:50:21.000 But not on me. 1.00

00:50:22.000 You're too self-deprecating, you fuck. 1.00

00:50:24.000 I'm the douchebag producer. 1.00

00:50:25.000 Shut up. 1.00

00:50:26.000 You're my friend. 1.00

00:50:26.000 Tell your goddamn story. 1.00

00:50:27.000 All right. 1.00

00:50:28.000 So we're racing, and I remember it was Kenny Bartram, these two guys in the car.

00:50:33.000 There was Tracy Jordan, who's a rock crawler. 0.94

00:50:35.000 King of the Hammers guy.

00:50:37.000 And Kenny Bartram.

00:50:38.000 Kenny Bartram is this famous guy.

00:50:39.000 Cowboy Kenny does nuclear cowboy stuff.

00:50:42.000 And he's an FMX guy.

00:50:44.000 He's a motocross guy.

00:50:46.000 So I told him, I said, get in the car.

00:50:48.000 San Javier is very dangerous.

00:50:49.000 Settle yourself down.

00:50:50.000 Get through San Javier. 0.97

00:50:51.000 And then you can haul ass down to La Paz. 0.86

00:50:53.000 No problem.

00:50:54.000 13 miles from the pit.

00:50:55.000 13 miles from the pit is straight down. 0.56

00:50:57.000 Shut down!

00:50:58.000 And he knows I'm not lying.

00:50:59.000 It's up a twisty road, and there's cliffs on one side.

00:51:03.000 You're on the side of the mountain for 13 miles, and there's a cliff on the side of the road.

00:51:06.000 Real tight, twisty stuff.

00:51:07.000 Don't make a mistake.

00:51:08.000 And let me tell you why.

00:51:10.000 Because 200 years ago, some priest—this is actually true—200 years ago, some priest on a donkey, what they used to do with the missions, they used to be two days.

00:51:19.000 Missions used to be two days apart.

00:51:20.000 They'd set a mission here.

00:51:21.000 And then him and a donkey and somebody else would go up a road and after the second day they'd land and they'd build another mission right there.

00:51:29.000 And then two days later they'd do it. 0.99

00:51:30.000 So up this hill, this donkey trail going up this hill, this guy, and I talked to him, I had Thanksgiving dinner with him, he hung a wheel off it, off the corner and said, oh shit, hold on. 0.95

00:51:41.000 Six times he counted the revolutions going over and over, and all of a sudden there was nothing, and then they hit, and the co-driver was knocked out. 0.76

00:51:48.000 He had a compression bruise from his helmet.

00:51:51.000 Compression bruise, like his helmet got hit, and they put a bruise on his skull from the roll cage.

00:51:57.000 So my story is, I get to Loretto, and nobody's there.

00:52:02.000 We're so far behind, there was no pit, there was no support, and there's one guy picking up cans.

00:52:07.000 I'm in my race suit.

00:52:09.000 I've studied jiu-jitsu.

00:52:10.000 I'm a badass, right?

00:52:11.000 Okay, so I go up to this guy, and I look at him, and he's an older guy.

00:52:15.000 He's in his 60s.

00:52:16.000 I really didn't feel like talking.

00:52:18.000 I just said, give me your keys.

00:52:20.000 He looked at me.

00:52:21.000 He said, excuse me?

00:52:21.000 I said, give me your keys.

00:52:22.000 I have an injured driver.

00:52:23.000 I need your truck.

00:52:24.000 So he reaches in his pocket. 1.00

00:52:26.000 I was going to beat his ass. 1.00

00:52:27.000 I didn't care. 1.00

00:52:27.000 I was going to take his truck. 1.00

00:52:28.000 You were going to take his truck?

00:52:29.000 I have an injured driver on the course.

00:52:31.000 So why wouldn't you just ask him to help you?

00:52:33.000 Yeah, I don't know.

00:52:33.000 I don't know.

00:52:34.000 You were just full with adrenaline and crazy and panicked.

00:52:37.000 I was tired, dude.

00:52:38.000 You stay up for three days and go ask some guy for permission.

00:52:40.000 I'm not staying up for three days.

00:52:41.000 You stay up for 36 hours and they go, excuse me, sir, I'm not English.

00:52:45.000 So you just said, give me your keys.

00:52:46.000 I said, give me your keys.

00:52:47.000 You're lucky you didn't get shot.

00:52:49.000 Yeah, that's true.

00:52:50.000 So he reaches in his pocket and he hands out and he goes, can I go with you?

00:52:53.000 I'm like, sure, get in.

00:52:55.000 So I grab his truck and it was a stock Toyota truck and we go down this riverbed, the riverbed, which was terrible, but it took me two hours to go 13 miles in a stock Toyota truck, little tiny itty bit, like a mini truck.

00:53:07.000 We got to Sam Javier, went up, searching for him, stopping every time that there was a crest, every time that I thought momentum could take a driver off, we'd stop, search, couldn't find him.

00:53:18.000 So two hours, we finally found him.

00:53:20.000 It was still night, was it?

00:53:21.000 It was still night.

00:53:22.000 I found him, and my co-driver had a concussion.

00:53:26.000 He's vomiting.

00:53:27.000 He's peeing. 1.00

00:53:28.000 He's pissing himself because he smelled like shit. 1.00

00:53:31.000 Picked up my two drivers, went down there. 0.99

00:53:34.000 And the scavengers were already starting taking wheels off the car, GPS, anything you can get off the car.

00:53:39.000 They were already doing that while the guys were inside the car?

00:53:41.000 The guys were already, they got off the top of the, out of the gully, and they were already down there picking. 0.99

00:53:46.000 So I went back down there to get my sat phone and get my other stuff, and I'm like, get the fuck away. 0.99

00:53:50.000 I'm shooing the Mexicans away that are already picking this car apart. 1.00

00:53:53.000 Wow.

00:53:54.000 And so I get Tracy back in the car.

00:53:57.000 And these are stories.

00:53:58.000 These happen every...

00:53:59.000 That's why it's an adventure race.

00:54:00.000 I'm not like I went to the drag strip and I did nine seconds.

00:54:03.000 Right.

00:54:03.000 So I got Tracy back in the car two and a half hours back and we stopped because he had to vomit every 15 minutes.

00:54:09.000 Like, hold on guys, hold on.

00:54:10.000 And he's vomiting.

00:54:10.000 Because he's got a concussion.

00:54:11.000 Bad concussion.

00:54:12.000 So we get him back.

00:54:14.000 He's okay.

00:54:14.000 We get him in a Loretto.

00:54:18.000 We're in Loretta.

00:54:19.000 We got him down to La Paz, and by that time it was 7, 8 o'clock in the morning, taken to the emergency room.

00:54:23.000 Probably not advisable, but took him to the emergency room.

00:54:26.000 What's that like? 1.00

00:54:27.000 Yeah, I told the doctor in Spanish that he hurt his dick, and he's got to check his dick. 1.00

00:54:33.000 So the doctor... 0.99

00:54:34.000 So the doctor, he's got this huge bruise on his head.

00:54:37.000 So the doctor's like, take your pants off.

00:54:40.000 He starts taking his pants off.

00:54:44.000 And then Tracy's going to swear to God, he's looking at me, he's like, why is he asking? 1.00

00:54:47.000 I go, I told him you hurt your dick. 1.00

00:54:48.000 He's like, God damn. 1.00

00:54:53.000 So how many people have died doing this race? 1.00

00:54:57.000 Every year or so, there's probably one motorcycler.

00:55:01.000 The biggest thing is there's accidents on the highway.

00:55:03.000 It's not actually the race cars that happen, but because the race starts in Ensenada, it goes all the way to La Paz, we race all the way through the day, through the night, into the next day.

00:55:12.000 Usually, a lot of the accidents happen there on the highway.

00:55:15.000 The spectator traffic or the chase traffic.

00:55:17.000 Race cars, not too often.

00:55:19.000 Not too often.

00:55:20.000 Motorcycle guys get hurt a lot.

00:55:21.000 I mean, Josh Barnett hit a motorcycle guy in 2012 he hit a motorcycle guy.

00:55:27.000 What happened with that?

00:55:29.000 Well, you know, it's funny.

00:55:30.000 Monster Energy called me, and they said they wanted to...

00:55:34.000 Do I know any athletes?

00:55:36.000 Any athletes or superstars that want to come down and race?

00:55:38.000 Because they were out.

00:55:39.000 I'm like, yeah.

00:55:39.000 So I called Josh.

00:55:40.000 I know he's the ultimate gearhead.

00:55:42.000 And to gearheads, if you say, hey, you want to come race?

00:55:45.000 He...

00:55:46.000 Two weeks notice.

00:55:47.000 Never raced off-road in his life.

00:55:48.000 I had him in a car.

00:55:49.000 He comes down there, like, the next week.

00:55:51.000 I put in my...

00:55:52.000 We do some training down at Estero Beach.

00:55:54.000 Show him how to work in a car, and next thing, he's in a race.

00:55:56.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:55:57.000 Poor fucker. 1.00

00:55:58.000 He's like a 19. It took him 19 hours to do the first stent, like 300 miles. 1.00

00:56:04.000 He's going through a silt bed.

00:56:06.000 There's a motorcycle guy, clips him, and breaks his leg.

00:56:09.000 Now, Josh did one of the most amazing things.

00:56:12.000 I'm not saying that Rob wouldn't do this.

00:56:14.000 So, Josh Burnett, do you know who he is?

00:56:16.000 No.

00:56:17.000 Youngest ever UFC heavyweight champion.

00:56:19.000 Super great guy.

00:56:20.000 Super great guy.

00:56:21.000 I had him on the podcast.

00:56:22.000 He's probably one of the best podcast guests ever.

00:56:25.000 Excuse me, one of the best podcast guests I've ever had.

00:56:28.000 He's a super intelligent guy.

00:56:30.000 Yeah, he's so smart, heavyweight fighter, amazing, amazing grappler, amazing fighter, and he loves cars.

00:56:36.000 He has a Shelby, he's got all kinds of cars, he loves them. 1.00

00:56:39.000 Yeah, he's a fucking nut. 0.99

00:56:40.000 So he goes down there into a silt bed, and he wants to get around it, but you don't only have control in the silt bed. 1.00

00:56:48.000 You can hit it, sometimes you hit a rut and it throws you right a little bit.

00:56:50.000 He hit this guy and broke his leg, compound fractured his leg.

00:56:54.000 So, he gets through the silt bed, and not a lot of guys that do this, by the way. 0.99

00:56:58.000 I'm just telling you, for the first time being down there, and he feels like shit. 0.91

00:57:02.000 He'll tell you the story, but he pulls off to the side of the course, goes into the silt bed, which is dangerous, by the way. 0.82

00:57:09.000 Pulls the guy's motorcycle out so no other cars hit it, and then picks the guy up, walks him out, and puts him on the hood of his car.

00:57:15.000 Calls in, waits for a helicopter to come.

00:57:17.000 Helicopter comes, Josh carries this guy with a compound fractured leg into the helicopter, drops him in the helicopter, then puts his helmet back on and continues his race.

00:57:27.000 And then he rolled it.

00:57:29.000 He rolled his truck after all that?

00:57:31.000 Yeah.

00:57:31.000 There's Josh.

00:57:32.000 Oh yeah, that's the picture right there.

00:57:34.000 That's his buggy.

00:57:36.000 Monster energy truck.

00:57:37.000 Wow. 0.99

00:57:38.000 So, you were talking about the dude who raced on flat surfaces and then just gave it up and started doing only this kind of dirt crazy shit. 0.93

00:57:49.000 There's not a lot of these courses though, right? 0.80

00:57:51.000 It's like, you could go, there's a lot of race courses around the country where The average person can do a track day and put on a helmet and drive faster on a course.

00:58:03.000 How many courses are there like this where a guy can just go out?

00:58:08.000 It's unlimited.

00:58:09.000 Baja, there's roads everywhere.

00:58:11.000 Go down there and practice or run or play.

00:58:14.000 You'd have to go to Mexico to do it.

00:58:16.000 There's some stuff in the States.

00:58:18.000 Well, there's a lot of races, by the way.

00:58:19.000 I mean, he does short course.

00:58:21.000 You can gear up in a Pro 2, Pro 4 pretty easy, and you go short court racing.

00:58:26.000 And then there's two organizations.

00:58:28.000 There's obviously SCORE, and there's a couple other organizations that do them.

00:58:31.000 You know, the Mint 400, which Rob races in.

00:58:33.000 A Best in the Desert, Rob races in.

00:58:35.000 I've done some stuff in Arizona, Nevada.

00:58:38.000 There's a lot of races.

00:58:39.000 So there are a few courses.

00:58:40.000 Are there courses, or is it just organizations?

00:58:42.000 We build courses.

00:58:44.000 Every off-road race is unique.

00:58:47.000 Ah, okay. 0.96

00:58:48.000 So now, like, what if, say, if someone's listening to this, and they're like, you know what, I need some goddamn adventure in my life. 0.76

00:58:55.000 Best thing to do is look up score. 0.78

00:58:57.000 Score schedules.

00:58:58.000 Score.

00:58:59.000 Score.

00:58:59.000 Score off-road.

00:59:00.000 Not the strip club in New York City.

00:59:02.000 Not scores.

00:59:02.000 I thought that was in Atlanta.

00:59:03.000 No, that's...

00:59:03.000 Wherever it is.

00:59:04.000 I don't know anything about those places.

00:59:06.000 Score International.

00:59:07.000 Yeah, Score International.

00:59:08.000 Look up on the internet.

00:59:09.000 Look at the schedule.

00:59:10.000 Find out where the races are.

00:59:11.000 Go check one out.

00:59:12.000 There's a lot of other racing organizations that race all over the western United States.

00:59:17.000 There's almost off-road races just about every weekend somewhere in the western U.S. You can...

00:59:23.000 And for some folks, they just go, quote unquote, off-roading.

00:59:27.000 So they just get a truck and find a spot where they are allowed to drive and just go nutty.

00:59:32.000 Yeah, those are Jeep Adventure guys.

00:59:34.000 The guys go like Moab and they go real slow and that's not what we do.

00:59:38.000 That I don't get.

00:59:39.000 That crawling.

00:59:40.000 Look, I made it up the rock. 1.00

00:59:42.000 Dude, I could walk quicker than that, you stupid fuck. 1.00

00:59:45.000 What's in your truck that you need to get up to the top of the rock with it? 1.00

00:59:48.000 That doesn't make any sense to me.

00:59:50.000 No.

00:59:51.000 Yeah, I don't get the rock crawling.

00:59:52.000 It's slow speed.

00:59:53.000 It's pretty incredible.

00:59:54.000 I did a rock crawling.

00:59:56.000 It was actually a rock race.

00:59:58.000 Oh, it's a race.

00:59:59.000 Well, there's different things.

01:00:00.000 Rock crawling is one thing.

01:00:01.000 Racing slow.

01:00:02.000 And then racing slow.

01:00:04.000 But it's pretty wild that when they do the...

01:00:08.000 I think it's the events called King of the Hammers and...

01:00:10.000 You climb up some rocks that you can't even climb with your hands, but you get in this modified, unlimited vehicle that's very expensive on top.

01:00:18.000 It's the same with even bigger tires than we have, and they just go right up it like you're actually crawling.

01:00:23.000 You can't climb it.

01:00:25.000 No, you can't climb it with your...

01:00:26.000 You can't...

01:00:28.000 It's very hard for you to climb it as a human being, but this car will pull up to it, or this truck, kind of like a Jeep, but it's highly modified.

01:00:35.000 It's the difference between a stock Ford F-150 and a trophy truck.

01:00:38.000 It's like a stock Jeep and an unlimited, I think they call them Ultra 4s.

01:00:42.000 And they're incredible what they'll do.

01:00:44.000 They'll go up incredible rock climbing events.

01:00:48.000 Straight faces.

01:00:48.000 You'll see some of the internet stuff.

01:00:50.000 It is fascinating.

01:00:51.000 It's crazy, but it is slow.

01:00:53.000 It's racing slow.

01:00:54.000 Well, I guarantee you somebody could climb it, though.

01:00:56.000 Those free climber dudes?

01:00:57.000 Yeah.

01:00:58.000 Like those Alex Honnold guys that go up the...

01:01:00.000 You know, they go up things that aren't even flat.

01:01:02.000 They're, like, leaning towards you.

01:01:04.000 No, he said you couldn't climb it.

01:01:06.000 I could climb it. 0.99

01:01:07.000 Don't fucking test me, bud. 1.00

01:01:09.000 I'll fucking climb it right now, bitch. 1.00

01:01:11.000 The industry, like, must be a huge thing. 1.00

01:01:18.000 Like, building all these different things and...

01:01:21.000 People must be getting involved in this recreationally and building these trucks and taking the regular trucks and adding all this stuff to it.

01:01:29.000 It's just like hot rodding.

01:01:30.000 You have a Geyser, right?

01:01:32.000 Yeah.

01:01:33.000 The Geyser brothers build trophy trucks.

01:01:35.000 Jimco builds trophy trucks.

01:01:36.000 There's probably five or six builders that do trophy trucks.

01:01:40.000 And then you have all your guys that work out of their own shop, smaller trucks.

01:01:44.000 I think?

01:02:03.000 Well, that's what's innovative about the sport.

01:02:05.000 When you give guys a limit of horsepower, a limit of this, do anything you want.

01:02:08.000 Actually, there is one rule that I'll tell you that I saw, and you'll remember this story really well.

01:02:12.000 There's actually only one rule that I know of, actually.

01:02:15.000 But you get to, especially in competition, you get to breed the best of the human mind because he's trying to beat this other guy. 1.00

01:02:22.000 I'm going to kick his ass. 1.00

01:02:23.000 So here's the one rule. 1.00

01:02:25.000 08, 07, I think it was 07, right?

01:02:27.000 This guy named Brian Collins.

01:02:29.000 Swear to God this happened.

01:02:31.000 They took a fueling system off an Apache helicopter, right?

01:02:34.000 Stuck it off the back of their truck.

01:02:36.000 And they had a fueling truck that would walk up to it while they're moving and jam it in the back of it and refuel it while they're moving.

01:02:44.000 And finally a score, was that 07, 08?

01:02:46.000 When was that?

01:02:46.000 Yeah, I think it was Mark Miller and Ryan Arciaro.

01:02:49.000 Holy mackerel.

01:02:49.000 And they did it on the highway.

01:02:50.000 They developed a system on a regular chase truck.

01:02:55.000 That was following the race truck down the highway and the fuel was in the bed of the chase truck and they had a pressurized system that they pulled up while they're going 60 miles an hour down the highway.

01:03:05.000 They pulled up behind the race truck and it had like a nozzle out the front of it and they stabbed it into the nozzle that was on the race truck and they filled it.

01:03:14.000 Jesus Christ.

01:03:15.000 Yeah, so they could save four minutes.

01:03:17.000 They could save two or three minutes in the pits.

01:03:18.000 You're not even supposed to smoke when you're at a gas station.

01:03:22.000 I think that's the rule.

01:03:23.000 No more fueling while you're going down the highway.

01:03:25.000 You're not even supposed to use your cell phone while you're at a gas station.

01:03:29.000 Because very rarely a spark, an electronic spark, can ignite fumes and you can burst into flames.

01:03:36.000 That's happened before.

01:03:37.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:03:38.000 These fucking crazy assholes are going 60 miles an hour filling their car up on the highway. 1.00

01:03:43.000 I remember I was with a Herps team that year. 1.00

01:03:45.000 I forgot what it was.

01:03:45.000 The Herps?

01:03:46.000 Yeah, Herps. 0.96

01:03:47.000 Like Herpes?

01:03:48.000 No, like terrible Herps, like in Vegas.

01:03:50.000 The Herps gas stations, the Herps Hotel.

01:03:52.000 I don't know what that is.

01:03:53.000 I've never heard of that.

01:03:54.000 They're pretty big.

01:03:54.000 The Herps Hotel is right on Paradise.

01:03:57.000 That's a terrible place to go and stay.

01:04:00.000 I'm sorry for the people who own it.

01:04:03.000 Just the name.

01:04:04.000 Don't be sorry for me.

01:04:05.000 The name.

01:04:06.000 Yeah, we're going to stay at the Herps.

01:04:07.000 Good luck!

01:04:08.000 I got the herps?

01:04:10.000 Yeah.

01:04:10.000 I got to the herps.

01:04:12.000 Shit. 1.00

01:04:13.000 You going to be okay? 1.00

01:04:14.000 Did you take your medication?

01:04:16.000 Use some antibacterial soap?

01:04:19.000 So, you know, I was with them.

01:04:20.000 I won't say their name again.

01:04:22.000 I was with them, and we saw that, and we're all kind of like, that's pretty cool.

01:04:27.000 Did they win that year?

01:04:28.000 Yeah, they did.

01:04:29.000 They won that year because of that.

01:04:31.000 Well, it saved them time.

01:04:32.000 There's more to it than just that.

01:04:34.000 How many minutes do you think that saved?

01:04:35.000 Throughout the 1,000 mile race, probably 10 minutes.

01:04:39.000 10 minutes at a time.

01:04:40.000 Instead of stopping in the pit.

01:04:41.000 And that matters.

01:04:42.000 Absolutely.

01:04:43.000 Now, no one's sleeping.

01:04:44.000 You guys are just driving?

01:04:46.000 Everybody in the race truck, they're driving the whole way.

01:04:48.000 Some people solo.

01:04:49.000 They drive the whole thousand mile race without getting out of the truck.

01:04:52.000 Drive the whole way.

01:04:53.000 I've done that in the past.

01:04:54.000 Do you have a diaper on?

01:04:56.000 They have these catheters called piss kits. 1.00

01:04:59.000 There's a tube in your dick. 1.00

01:05:01.000 That's when your hobby is way out of control. 1.00

01:05:03.000 No, it's not that bad. 1.00

01:05:05.000 That's what a tube in your dick is. 1.00

01:05:06.000 It's actually a catheter, right? 1.00

01:05:07.000 It's one of my favorite things. 1.00

01:05:08.000 I like having a tube in your dick. 1.00

01:05:10.000 No, it's not what it is, but it's the best thing that's ever happened for off-road for me. 1.00

01:05:14.000 It is amazing.

01:05:14.000 It goes over the top like a condom.

01:05:16.000 Oh, like a condom, right. 0.80

01:05:17.000 And then a rubber hose connected to the end of that that goes all the way down the inside of your leg, and you tape the end of the hose to the side of your shoe so you can piss for it. 0.51

01:05:24.000 So you pee in your shoe.

01:05:25.000 Well, next to your shoe.

01:05:26.000 No, next to your shoe.

01:05:27.000 It's the best thing.

01:05:27.000 So it's in the truck?

01:05:28.000 It's just peeing?

01:05:29.000 Some people have done that, though.

01:05:31.000 They don't get the tube out of their shoe before they start racing, and they actually find out they're peeing.

01:05:35.000 That's another great story.

01:05:36.000 Ivan Stewart, who's a...

01:05:37.000 Do you hang your foot out the window? 0.59

01:05:39.000 No, you just pee on the floor.

01:05:41.000 We don't have carpet.

01:05:41.000 It's all metal, aluminum down there.

01:05:43.000 There's a hole in the floor?

01:05:44.000 Yeah, there's leaks.

01:05:46.000 There's little panels and stuff.

01:05:47.000 So you just pee on the floor and just hope it goes away somewhere.

01:05:50.000 Yeah.

01:05:51.000 It does.

01:05:51.000 Well, the best thing is you pull up in the pits and you start peeing.

01:05:53.000 You tell your mechanic, like, I think I got a leak, and he's down there sniffing it.

01:05:59.000 That story right there has happened multiple times, and the one I was going to tell you about is Ivan Stewart, an icon of the sport, was at the start line, and warming his truck up. 0.52

01:06:08.000 He's just about ready to go off the start line, and all of a sudden, underneath his truck, there's liquid, and one of his mechanics jumps underneath her, like, holy shit, what is that?

01:06:16.000 Goes, touches his finger in it, comes up, smells it, and realizes what it is, that Ivan's actually taking a piss. 0.86

01:06:22.000 Didn't mean to ruin your story.

01:06:23.000 No.

01:06:23.000 But for your listeners, by the way, get a catheter.

01:06:26.000 Go online, get a race catheter.

01:06:27.000 The best thing.

01:06:28.000 Like in a bar, I did a race...

01:06:30.000 Or a UFC fight.

01:06:31.000 Or a UFC fight.

01:06:32.000 I did this...

01:06:33.000 You don't have to miss anything.

01:06:34.000 Yeah, but then you get to pee on the ground.

01:06:36.000 Yeah, you pee in the bar near a drain.

01:06:37.000 It's Fine. 1.00

01:06:38.000 I was at this Blue Water race in Arizona one time with Greg Fouts, and we got our ass kicked. 0.97

01:06:45.000 We're just putting around.

01:06:46.000 We got stuck a couple times in a stock full.

01:06:47.000 So we actually got to the bar, and we felt like a dick, by the way, and I had my race suit on because we came in so late, but the bar's going, and everybody's there, and they're having a celebration.

01:06:55.000 I just kept my catheter on. 0.66

01:06:57.000 So I'm just sitting at the bar, and I'm like, I get next to somebody and just start peeing.

01:07:00.000 I'm like, ugh, okay, good.

01:07:01.000 And you're done.

01:07:02.000 You don't have to go.

01:07:02.000 And you just pee on the ground at the bar.

01:07:04.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:07:04.000 You son of a bitch. 1.00

01:07:06.000 I can't believe you think that's funny. 1.00

01:07:08.000 How dare you?

01:07:09.000 What about the person that owns that bar?

01:07:11.000 You're just peeing in their establishment right on the floor.

01:07:13.000 You charge me $8 for a beer. 1.00

01:07:14.000 I don't give a fuck. 1.00

01:07:14.000 He needs to make some money. 1.00

01:07:16.000 Somebody has to buy the beer, bring it there.

01:07:18.000 Somebody has to pay to put the refrigerator in and turn it on.

01:07:24.000 Don't feel sorry.

01:07:25.000 Eight bucks?

01:07:25.000 Eight bucks.

01:07:26.000 Don't buy it.

01:07:27.000 So that's what it looks like?

01:07:28.000 Black Cat.

01:07:29.000 That's one of the brands right there.

01:07:30.000 Wow. 0.99

01:07:31.000 That is ridiculous. 1.00

01:07:33.000 When you're in a sport, when you have to have a hose taped over your dick, maybe there's a problem with that sport. 1.00

01:07:39.000 Maybe... 1.00

01:07:39.000 You don't... 1.00

01:07:40.000 Rob, you don't drink coffee.

01:07:42.000 No.

01:07:43.000 Never.

01:07:43.000 When I was a kid...

01:07:45.000 My mom and dad drank coffee.

01:07:47.000 I couldn't stand the smell.

01:07:48.000 Probably got to early 20s or so, realized I'd never had it and said, you know what, I'm going to do without it for my life.

01:07:53.000 So I'm a soda guy.

01:07:55.000 So you drink sodas?

01:07:56.000 Yeah, that's my fix in the morning.

01:07:57.000 So is that what you get your caffeine from?

01:08:00.000 I mean, like when you're doing a 33-hour run...

01:08:03.000 Like, you must do some form of stimulant to stay awake, no?

01:08:08.000 The adrenaline that gets going in you when you're winning the race, you know, you get into the night.

01:08:13.000 Typically, our ball 1000 starts at 10 o'clock, and you'll finish at 2, 3 in the morning.

01:08:17.000 For me, if we're doing well, about midnight, when you start to get tired, usually you realize...

01:08:24.000 You got a chance to win this race and the adrenaline kicks in and takes you right to the finish.

01:08:28.000 It's when you're having a bad day, lots of troubles and you're pulling a 36 hour event and you're not capable of winning the race.

01:08:34.000 The adrenaline goes away and then you need to throw some sodas down to keep it going or some energy drinks.

01:08:39.000 Yeah, I would think that that would get really sketchy when you're dealing with these crazy turns where you really have to be paying attention and you've been up for 25 hours.

01:08:47.000 That must be where the real danger lies, no?

01:08:49.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:08:50.000 And that's most likely Bud's earlier story with Kenny Bartram and Tracy Jordan when they went off the cliff.

01:08:55.000 I mean, they just got in the car.

01:08:57.000 I believe they were in that car earlier that same day, right?

01:09:13.000 And when they got back in it, it was early hours of the morning and dusty, maybe foggy.

01:09:18.000 You've got to remember that every turn could end your race.

01:09:21.000 It may be in your life if you're going too fast, but every turn.

01:09:25.000 So for me, because obviously you can tell I have an issue with paying attention, I can't think of anything else.

01:09:31.000 And that's why I always equate it to cage fighting. 1.00

01:09:33.000 If you get in the cage and you start thinking about your bills and your check and, you know, they got this happening, all the bullshit, you're going to get your ass kicked. 1.00

01:09:40.000 Right. 1.00

01:09:40.000 Same thing down here. 1.00

01:09:41.000 The only thing you have to really worry about is you're looking at brush, you're looking at dust, you're looking at power lines, you're looking at all that, you're reading the terrain, and that's all that consumes your mind. 1.00

01:09:51.000 Because if you don't, you're fucked. 0.99

01:09:52.000 Yeah, that's a thing that people need, right? 1.00

01:09:54.000 I find that I gravitate towards things that require my full, complete attention in the moment.

01:10:01.000 Whether it's going to the rifle range and shooting a rifle.

01:10:06.000 I took my friend Duncan and Chris yesterday, we went to the rifle range.

01:10:10.000 And it's one of the things that Duncan was saying, like, when you're shooting, you don't think about anything else.

01:10:14.000 Like, the moment you're pulling that trigger, your mind is free of all the other nonsense you've got going on in your life.

01:10:20.000 Your mind is just concentrating on keeping the reticle, keeping that crosshair on that target, calming your nerves, and then squeezing that trigger and not moving anything else.

01:10:31.000 What is it about us that we need things like that?

01:10:35.000 Is it the over-complex society that we live in?

01:10:37.000 I think so. 0.98

01:10:38.000 I think, you know, there's, with my business, your business, and all of the thing we're doing, there's text messages, and there's fucking Facebook, and Twitter, and you gotta do all this bullshit, and there's so much stuff in there. 0.78

01:10:47.000 And the thing that I think is different, much different than rifles, there's consequences of what we do. 0.96

01:10:51.000 Because if we don't, if you miss the shot, oh hum, I miss the shot. 0.94

01:10:55.000 I'm not putting down rifle, don't shoot me. 0.99

01:10:57.000 Yeah.

01:10:58.000 And what we do, and I've done it before.

01:11:01.000 You kind of get into a lull, like driving in a snowstorm.

01:11:03.000 You see the snowstorm coming out, and you kind of drive yourself to a little bit of sleep.

01:11:08.000 Turn comes up, you're going to go off a cliff.

01:11:10.000 You're going to wreck.

01:11:11.000 Someone's going to hit you from behind. 0.98

01:11:13.000 The worst, it's death.

01:11:16.000 The very easiest is you broke your car and you gotta stay out there and fix it, and you just let your team down. 0.99

01:11:22.000 There are teams, he's got 60, 70 people that are on his team, and they all worked really hard to get him down there, and that pressure's on him not to fuck up.

01:11:30.000 But isn't it weird that we, as human beings, have this strange desire to chase danger like that? 0.71

01:11:36.000 That managing danger becomes sort of like a drug fix we're getting.

01:11:44.000 You're a lot deeper human being than I am, but this goes back to primal human.

01:11:48.000 We used to go on hunts, right?

01:11:50.000 As guys, we used to go on hunts.

01:11:51.000 We used to be like, you stay here, I'm going to go on a hunt.

01:11:53.000 I'm going to chase bear, I'm going to kill a buffalo, I'm going to go to war, I'm going to do these things.

01:11:58.000 And yeah, I don't know what it is.

01:11:59.000 You get to a certain part of your life and you've got to start chasing that.

01:12:03.000 You have to have it.

01:12:04.000 Like, I don't need to race.

01:12:05.000 I have to race.

01:12:06.000 Well, I think there's certain human reward systems that are set up in our minds, essentially in our DNA, and that we don't fulfill them at all with the average everyday cubicle life. 0.88

01:12:18.000 Traffic, cubicle, come home, television, the news bombards you with fucking nonsense from all around the world, and then you go to sleep and start all over again. 0.99

01:12:27.000 And you're missing a lot of shit. 1.00

01:12:29.000 And then something comes along like this race, where like, you have a... 1.00

01:12:34.000 You're fucking jumping around this crazy fucking truck. 0.99

01:12:37.000 You're going 140 miles an hour and your body's like, finally something's happening! 1.00

01:12:43.000 Is that it?

01:12:44.000 It's addiction.

01:12:44.000 For me, absolutely.

01:12:46.000 When I'm not racing, last year I raced 35 weekends.

01:12:49.000 I took the green flag.

01:12:51.000 Most of the year.

01:12:53.000 I think I took the green flag over 80 times.

01:12:56.000 What's that mean?

01:12:57.000 Every time, basically, I started a race.

01:13:00.000 I started a race, they threw a green flag.

01:13:01.000 So I raced over 80 times last year in 35 weekends.

01:13:06.000 Some of these times I take four green flags.

01:13:08.000 Actually, one weekend last year I took seven green flags over the weekend racing in three different trucks.

01:13:14.000 Discussed earlier, there's multiple classes.

01:13:16.000 In the short course races, there's multiple classes.

01:13:18.000 So I'm addicted to it so much, I go get in any vehicle I can go race.

01:13:21.000 So I race seven times.

01:13:23.000 But when I have a weekend off, I don't know what to do with myself.

01:13:26.000 So I think I need that adrenaline rush.

01:13:29.000 I need to race.

01:13:31.000 I need to get a checkered flag.

01:13:32.000 I need to win.

01:13:33.000 That's really what my life is about now.

01:13:36.000 It's just become part of your system.

01:13:38.000 Absolutely.

01:13:39.000 And Bud, you've been chasing stuff like that as long as I've known you.

01:13:44.000 You're always trying to do some crazy, charged-up thing.

01:13:50.000 It builds your character, I think, as a guy.

01:13:52.000 It helps you build your character.

01:13:53.000 And I'm addicted to drugs.

01:13:55.000 My drug is endorphins and adrenaline, and I have to have that.

01:13:59.000 I think it was...

01:14:01.000 I forgot who said it.

01:14:02.000 It might have been Reese Millen or someone like that.

01:14:03.000 But they said...

01:14:04.000 In normal life, the guy in the cubicle who's sitting in New York City, he may have one close call in his whole entire life, or maybe one a year.

01:14:13.000 Down in Mexico, you have nine or ten in a race. 0.92

01:14:16.000 I mean, you are close to death a few times. 1.00

01:14:18.000 I mean, holy shit, oh fuck, I'm glad that didn't happen. 1.00

01:14:21.000 And you do that over and over, and it's scary, definitely. 1.00

01:14:26.000 I did a movie in the Raptor, I don't know if you saw it, No, I never saw that.

01:14:31.000 You did that, like, you produced a film about the Ford Raptor, like, right when it was coming out?

01:14:37.000 Is that what it was?

01:14:37.000 It was the launch of it, yeah.

01:14:38.000 The launch of it?

01:14:38.000 Yeah, it was the launch of it.

01:14:39.000 What year was that?

01:14:40.000 08. And my wife, there was two movies back-to-back I did, and there was one time...

01:14:46.000 We got stuck.

01:14:47.000 All of us and I got stuck.

01:14:48.000 You remember the scene? 0.99

01:14:49.000 I took a toe strap, pulled it to the front of the thing, walked across, and hooked it to my friend's truck, and some idiot in the trophy truck... 0.99

01:14:57.000 Wasn't me. 0.98

01:15:01.000 ...ran over my strap, like right where I was.

01:15:03.000 Whoa.

01:15:04.000 I mean, because, you know, you're in this blinding silk bed.

01:15:06.000 I don't think he didn't try to kill me.

01:15:08.000 He's blinding silk bed.

01:15:09.000 He knows if he slows down, he just sees a hole.

01:15:11.000 There's a truck, and there's a guy.

01:15:13.000 I'm going to go right between it.

01:15:14.000 Oh, my God. 1.00

01:15:15.000 Oh, fuck. 1.00

01:15:16.000 That was very close. 1.00

01:15:17.000 Really close.

01:15:17.000 So that was a scene in our movie and my wife is like, uh, yeah, you're not doing that anymore.

01:15:23.000 It happens quite often.

01:15:24.000 Because she saw it?

01:15:25.000 Oh, wow.

01:15:26.000 Well, my wife, one last story.

01:15:27.000 In 2012, when I won my race, I called my wife.

01:15:32.000 I'm excited.

01:15:33.000 I won one race.

01:15:34.000 Rob's won 220 races, more than anybody in the planet.

01:15:37.000 I won one race.

01:15:38.000 I called my wife at 5 o'clock.

01:15:40.000 I said, honey, we won.

01:15:41.000 I've been chasing for nine years.

01:15:42.000 She said, good, you can quit.

01:15:44.000 And she hung up on me.

01:15:45.000 I got no play at all.

01:15:47.000 I was so excited.

01:15:48.000 I want to call my mom.

01:15:50.000 I want to call my wife.

01:15:52.000 Hey, guess what?

01:15:53.000 I did this.

01:15:54.000 She's like, yeah, that's nice.

01:15:55.000 You can quit now.

01:15:56.000 Yeah, it's hard for some people to relate to that need to be charged up and do nutty things like that, right?

01:16:05.000 Yeah, I think so.

01:16:06.000 I mean, for me, it's all about winning championships, winning races, and I can't get enough of it.

01:16:12.000 Well, so many people try to...

01:16:14.000 They try to live their life safe.

01:16:16.000 They try to do just the opposite.

01:16:18.000 They're looking for the softest cushion to sit on.

01:16:20.000 They're looking for the easiest job.

01:16:22.000 They're looking for the longest amount of time off.

01:16:25.000 They're looking for the cushiest existence.

01:16:31.000 That's not living.

01:16:32.000 You gotta get out there and experience life.

01:16:34.000 You gotta live it.

01:16:36.000 Yeah, I agree.

01:16:38.000 But, I mean, there's, like, these two schools of thought when it comes to people.

01:16:43.000 There's people that try to seek out adventure and thrills and have all these wild experiences in their life, and there's people that have zero desire to do that.

01:16:52.000 See, Joe and I have a disease.

01:16:53.000 We have, like, a dinner party disease that we share.

01:16:56.000 Like, I can't talk to those people, right?

01:16:59.000 Because I seek out.

01:17:01.000 Like, I do deep sea dives on shipwrecks, and I'll try to go to this, not because I think I'm a badass, because I'm pushing myself.

01:17:07.000 I always want to push myself.

01:17:08.000 I have to do something to train for. 1.00

01:17:10.000 So when I go talk to people, like regular people or people that are boring as shit, I sound like an idiot and I have nothing to say to them. 0.99

01:17:17.000 Because you try to do what we just did here, and Rob's got a million of them, you try to tell them an adventure story in Baja. 0.99

01:17:23.000 Like, I hit a jump at 120 and I jumped this, or I accidentally hit this guy on a bike.

01:17:27.000 Like, they think you're crazy.

01:17:28.000 Yeah.

01:17:29.000 There's certain people that it's too time-consuming trying to explain your motivations behind certain things.

01:17:36.000 I try to think of what's the least thrilling thing that I do that I could tell people that I do.

01:17:42.000 What do you do for a living?

01:17:45.000 Do a radio show on the internet.

01:17:47.000 I say that.

01:17:49.000 I'll leave out the UFC. I'll leave out stand-up comedy.

01:17:53.000 The bridge between us is too far.

01:17:57.000 There's no room there.

01:17:59.000 Some folks just don't want any thrills.

01:18:02.000 They want no thrills.

01:18:03.000 They want nothing dangerous.

01:18:05.000 They want everything to be spelled out for them.

01:18:08.000 They want...

01:18:08.000 You know, two weeks paid vacation and they want to make sure that they can retire when they're 65 and they're already ready to die.

01:18:15.000 Like, they've got it all set up.

01:18:16.000 You betcha.

01:18:18.000 You betcha.

01:18:19.000 So Rob, what's the best story for Baja?

01:18:22.000 Because I told my crazy story, but you have better stories.

01:18:25.000 Well, you know, actually I think I've been honestly fortunate enough when I started going to Baja, I went with Walker Evans and people that had tons of experience down there, and they kind of helped minimize those stories for me.

01:18:38.000 You know, One of the early days racing class one single buggy, single seater, only one person down there after San Javier, what you're talking about earlier, had a flat tire and got out to change that tire and had the motors running in the buggy and you can't hear anybody around you.

01:18:56.000 I thought I was in the middle of nowhere and all of a sudden somebody came up, tapped me on the back of the shoulder, scared the crap out of me.

01:19:03.000 Things like that.

01:19:05.000 Crashing.

01:19:06.000 I've done multiple crashes all over the place, wadding stuff up, breaking my collarbone.

01:19:12.000 The crazy story is I guess I don't have the wild ones.

01:19:16.000 The reason why is I think that I go down there prepared.

01:19:18.000 I'm there to win.

01:19:20.000 I really minimize all that stuff and haven't had a lot of crazy stuff happen.

01:19:24.000 Did you get involved in other motorsports first?

01:19:27.000 Were you involved in regular racing first?

01:19:28.000 Yeah, I started racing motorcycles when I was 8, 9, 10 years old.

01:19:32.000 Jesus Christ!

01:19:33.000 You were racing motorcycles as an 8-year-old?

01:19:36.000 Yeah, got involved in doing that.

01:19:38.000 My dad was involved in doing off-road racing in the early 70s when I was on motorcycles.

01:19:42.000 When I turned 16 years old, we got into racing buggies, doing the MINT 400, stuff like that.

01:19:48.000 You know, I quit my senior year of basketball. 0.96

01:19:50.000 It was the dumbest thing I ever did. 0.80

01:19:51.000 I should have played it through. 0.86

01:19:52.000 But I fell in love with off-road racing and then, you know, just made it my hobby there for a few years and then got lucky enough to get picked up by people like Ford Motor Company, BFGoodrich Tires, and I ended up making a career out of it.

01:20:05.000 So I've been doing this for a living for over 20 years.

01:20:09.000 And like Bud said, we've won, you know, over 200 races on BFGoodrich Tires.

01:20:13.000 I'm actually about 280 total wins in off-road since 82. Over 20 championships.

01:20:18.000 If you had to stop and you had to go and live an office job, like if someone came along and B.F. Goodrich said, look, we're taking you out of the fucking heat. 0.99

01:20:26.000 It's too crazy. 0.98

01:20:28.000 We're going to give you a nice cushy job. 1.00

01:20:30.000 Stop.

01:20:31.000 Six-figure salary.

01:20:33.000 Nice house.

01:20:34.000 Yeah, at this point, I can't even imagine that.

01:20:36.000 I think about that every once in a while.

01:20:38.000 What am I going to do when this is over?

01:20:40.000 Yeah.

01:20:41.000 I don't know.

01:20:41.000 I don't even know what I'm going to do.

01:20:42.000 But, you know, hopefully go to work with somebody like BF Goodrich or, you know, my family owns an off-road buggy shop in Vegas doing stuff like that.

01:20:50.000 But, you know, I don't plan on quitting anytime soon.

01:20:53.000 It's what I know.

01:20:53.000 You know, it's almost all I know.

01:20:56.000 I mean, I have, it's my hobby.

01:20:57.000 It's my job.

01:20:58.000 It's my life.

01:20:59.000 Who's the oldest guy that can do it?

01:21:00.000 You were saying that Newman did it when he was 80?

01:21:03.000 Yeah, he did a race when he was 80. What a fucking animal he was. 1.00

01:21:07.000 And Ivan Mann Stewart did it. 1.00

01:21:08.000 I mean, he did it in his 60s.

01:21:09.000 Yeah, Walker Evans, Larry Ragland, some of the best of the sport, you know, had their most success in their 50s, which I haven't got there yet.

01:21:16.000 What?

01:21:16.000 Because you calm down.

01:21:17.000 Yeah.

01:21:18.000 You calm down.

01:21:20.000 There's a thing in our race, in racing, called Red Mist.

01:21:22.000 Red Mist will get you hurt.

01:21:23.000 Like, Jesse James goes down there all the time, and he generally wads it up in the first 100 miles. 0.99

01:21:28.000 Talking shit about Jesse James. 0.99

01:21:30.000 Because he just goes crazy? 1.00

01:21:31.000 No, because people misunderstand the race.

01:21:34.000 I mean, he knows more about the race than I've been.

01:21:36.000 They misunderstand the race.

01:21:37.000 They think, in the first hundred miles, I've got to beat everybody.

01:21:40.000 The analogy that I have is that when they put their helmet on, they throw their brains out the window.

01:21:44.000 And I did that when I was young.

01:21:46.000 I crashed a lot of stuff, ruined cars.

01:21:48.000 But over time, you learn.

01:21:50.000 That's not how you win the race.

01:21:52.000 You basically go as slow as you possibly can to win.

01:21:56.000 You have to keep an eye on your competition.

01:21:58.000 You go through the pitch, get split times, find out how you're doing.

01:22:00.000 But as long as you're close to winning the race, you're doing a good job.

01:22:07.000 When you get down to the end, it's typically only you and a couple other guys that are racing for the win.

01:22:11.000 All those other 20, 30 guys in your class, they're broke or they're having problems.

01:22:15.000 How many people are racing?

01:22:17.000 Like when they say, ready, set, go.

01:22:19.000 How many people? 0.99

01:22:20.000 Fucking 150. Of all the classes, 150 to 350 depends on which race. 0.99

01:22:24.000 Like the thousands, like 300 to 350 people.

01:22:27.000 Vehicles.

01:22:28.000 Vehicles, yeah.

01:22:29.000 So 350 vehicles all together.

01:22:32.000 Yep.

01:22:35.000 How many lanes are you dealing with here?

01:22:38.000 When they start the race, they send one truck or one buggy at a time, usually every 30 seconds apart.

01:22:46.000 We're racing the clock.

01:22:47.000 We're out there racing on the track at the same time.

01:22:50.000 You do have to come up and bump those guys, move them out of your way if they're slower than in front of you.

01:22:54.000 But, you know, we're racing the clock, and as you get down the course, the bikes start usually, the bikes, the quads, the UTVs, they start about three hours in front of the first four-wheel vehicle, but we end up catching those guys, and that's where it becomes really sketchy, and sometimes we're these,

01:23:09.000 you know, Bud's story earlier when Josh hit the bike guy.

01:23:14.000 That's because the bikes can't do certain things that the truck can do.

01:23:16.000 Well, some of them can.

01:23:17.000 Yeah, some of them can, but a lot of the, especially in Mexico, a lot of the bike guys are sportsmen.

01:23:24.000 And when you're doing a long race like a Baja 1000, it becomes more, the bike guys, you know, they get used up quicker.

01:23:31.000 And the trucks, you're sitting in the seat, you have, you know, you don't have air conditioner, but you've got...

01:23:36.000 You know, you can have snacks, you can have food, you can have water as you're racing down the course.

01:23:39.000 The bike guy, it's just him in a small light.

01:23:42.000 You know, I talked earlier about how the lights on our trucks are like a stadium.

01:23:46.000 They have one light.

01:23:47.000 We have 14 to 20 lights on our trucks.

01:23:50.000 So it's a lot different. 0.99

01:23:51.000 Yeah, fuck, that must be scary, driving a motorcycle fast like that. 0.99

01:23:54.000 Yeah, they think of baseball stadiums behind them sometimes. 1.00

01:23:56.000 Yeah, they hear a trophy truck behind them.

01:23:58.000 Some of the guys, the smart ones, oh, they freak out. 1.00

01:24:00.000 They look behind them like, oh, shit! 0.99

01:24:02.000 And they get off the road and the trophy trucks are blown by them because they don't want to get run over. 0.99

01:24:06.000 Wow.

01:24:06.000 I mean, there's a lot of accidents with the bike guys, and SCORE is doing a lot of things to mitigate that at this point.

01:24:12.000 They're starting them later.

01:24:13.000 We're going to start them the night before and stuff like that.

01:24:14.000 Oh, okay.

01:24:15.000 For me, there's an interesting thing for me I was going to tell you. 0.97

01:24:17.000 I'm known, you've known me for a long, long time, I'm known kind of like a crazy jackass that doesn't do this. 0.85

01:24:23.000 When I'm going down the races, you talked about the catheter. 0.94

01:24:27.000 This is an interesting thing that happens to me and my psyche.

01:24:29.000 I'm wearing a fire suit.

01:24:30.000 I have my catheters on.

01:24:32.000 I have a...

01:24:34.000 Fireproof underwear.

01:24:35.000 I put my helmet on.

01:24:36.000 I got my knife in my pocket so I can cut my seat belts off if anything else happens.

01:24:39.000 I start doing all this stuff. 0.98

01:24:40.000 I'm like, holy shit, I'm doing something pretty serious. 0.96

01:24:43.000 And I calm down. 1.00

01:24:44.000 I have problems with my sponsors who hang out with me and they're like, you're going to fucking wreck. 1.00

01:24:49.000 You're a crazy, wacky idiot who's going to wreck the car. 1.00

01:24:53.000 So they're not managing this craziness well. 1.00

01:24:57.000 What do you mean?

01:24:58.000 That's what it is.

01:24:59.000 Some people just can't look at all the different variables, look at all the craziness, and just settle in, okay, this is what we're doing now.

01:25:08.000 Yeah, and it's hard.

01:25:09.000 The red mist comes in. 0.99

01:25:11.000 I get caught up sometimes, too, because I had a guy pull behind me one time, a French guy, tell me he's going to kick my ass if I don't move. 0.98

01:25:17.000 I said, we'll stop the car. 0.99

01:25:19.000 I'll stop the car and get out.

01:25:21.000 I don't care.

01:25:21.000 We'll stop right in the middle of the course.

01:25:22.000 You're gonna kick my ass? 1.00

01:25:23.000 Fucking French. 1.00

01:25:25.000 Fucking French. 1.00

01:25:26.000 They gave us these fries and now they gotta... 1.00

01:25:28.000 Get out of my way or I'll kick your ass. 1.00

01:25:30.000 That's what he's saying to me? 1.00

01:25:31.000 Yeah, on the radio. 1.00

01:25:32.000 I'm like, fuck you. 1.00

01:25:33.000 Get out of the way or I'll kick your ass. 1.00

01:25:35.000 Yeah, and I know what he's doing. 1.00

01:25:37.000 He's freaking out going...

01:25:38.000 Man, he's in this race, and you just gotta pace yourself.

01:25:41.000 You gotta be calm.

01:25:42.000 It's hard not to get caught up in the beginning when guys are banging on you.

01:25:46.000 Like, they're hitting you.

01:25:46.000 I don't understand.

01:25:47.000 Some people hit you.

01:25:49.000 Hard.

01:25:50.000 They just ram into you.

01:25:51.000 Ram into you.

01:25:52.000 To try to get you out of the way.

01:25:53.000 Yeah, they don't even care.

01:25:54.000 They don't honk.

01:25:54.000 You just drive all of a sudden.

01:25:55.000 Boom! 0.99

01:25:56.000 And it's like being rear-ended at the 405 at 60 miles an hour. 1.00

01:25:59.000 You're like, holy shit. 0.98

01:26:00.000 Yeah, the off-road tracks are one lane. 0.99

01:26:02.000 It's not like five lanes on the 405. It's one lane.

01:26:05.000 So to pass that guy, you come up there, you hope he moves out of the way.

01:26:08.000 Typically, he doesn't really want to.

01:26:09.000 So you've got to come up there and bump him.

01:26:11.000 And sometimes people get out of control and they hit you really hard.

01:26:13.000 They try to move you off the track. 0.98

01:26:15.000 Especially if it's a jackass like these guys who have actually had a bad day. 0.97

01:26:19.000 So this is the problem I have. 0.98

01:26:21.000 I'm having a good day, right?

01:26:22.000 So I'm in front of my class.

01:26:24.000 He's had a bad day in a trophy truck.

01:26:25.000 He's got 900 horsepower, 105 gallons of fuel. 0.99

01:26:29.000 He's fucking pissed off. 0.99

01:26:30.000 He's tired. 1.00

01:26:30.000 He's not happy anymore. 1.00

01:26:32.000 And he's trying to make up time.

01:26:34.000 And there's me and my buggy.

01:26:36.000 We don't want to deal with these guys.

01:26:38.000 We want to get done.

01:26:40.000 We want to get to the finish line.

01:26:41.000 And the dust that he's kicking up makes the trophy truck guy pissed off.

01:26:45.000 And it's like, you don't deserve to be here.

01:26:46.000 Get out of my way.

01:26:47.000 And by the time you get to him, you give him a little love.

01:26:49.000 Oh, a little love.

01:26:51.000 That's the bump.

01:26:52.000 That's the bump.

01:26:53.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

01:26:53.000 And how many guys get fucked up because of that? 0.99

01:26:56.000 I mean, it seems like that would be one of the reasons why a lot of guys wreck. 0.98

01:27:00.000 Well, a lot of the cars, they're built to take that.

01:27:02.000 It's in the DNA of off-road.

01:27:03.000 That's kind of how we pass.

01:27:05.000 You come up there, you bump the guy.

01:27:06.000 You bump into each other, that's normal?

01:27:08.000 You tag him, and it's like, I caught you, now you move out of the way and let me go by.

01:27:11.000 What kind of bumpers do you guys use?

01:27:13.000 They're chromoly tubing.

01:27:14.000 Huge chromoly tubing.

01:27:16.000 So they're designed to take a good impact.

01:27:19.000 Yeah, but you would pull over.

01:27:20.000 Notice how I... Yeah, exactly.

01:27:23.000 Like a 1950s dad.

01:27:25.000 Yeah, give it a little of this.

01:27:27.000 But if you were in the accident, if you were on the 405, if someone hit you that hard, you'd pull over and call the cops.

01:27:33.000 Right.

01:27:33.000 And grab your neck and go, whoa, that was an impact.

01:27:35.000 But they're part of the game.

01:27:37.000 It's part of the game.

01:27:38.000 Wow.

01:27:39.000 That's crazy.

01:27:40.000 It seems so bizarre.

01:27:42.000 It just seems so crazy that part of it is just ramming into you while you're going, you know, X amount of miles an hour.

01:27:49.000 Right.

01:27:50.000 Right.

01:27:51.000 It's normal.

01:27:52.000 It's not normal.

01:27:53.000 It's normal in that world.

01:27:55.000 In that world, it's normal. 1.00

01:27:57.000 Fucking human beings are so crazy in that way. 1.00

01:27:59.000 We just find normalcy in the fact that, well, this is what happens when you do this. 1.00

01:28:04.000 And then all rules, all decor, all normal rules of behavior go out the window when you're racing in a Baja and you're pissing through your fucking shoe. 1.00

01:28:14.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:28:16.000 Well, I think there's a very weird...

01:28:18.000 Something in the psyche I can tell you from me.

01:28:22.000 Once you've figured this out and you've done the organization and you've gone to your catheter, to your knife, you got your chase team, you got your feel.

01:28:29.000 Once you've organized the successful race campaign like he has, then regular life in business is not that hard, right?

01:28:35.000 You actually get out of a race. 1.00

01:28:37.000 Then actually you sometimes get a little short with stupid people. 1.00

01:28:40.000 You're like, really? 1.00

01:28:41.000 You just had to go to the store and pick up a six-pack and come back. 0.98

01:28:44.000 Was it that fucking hard? 0.98

01:28:45.000 Because what we do... 0.98

01:28:47.000 There's so many consequences.

01:28:48.000 He can tell a guy, and this is actually how it goes too, is like, I need you to go to the PMIC station, which is the gas station in Mexico, be there at 1 o'clock with some extra tires that I may need when I get out.

01:28:57.000 And that's what you tell the guy.

01:28:58.000 And it's 800 miles away.

01:29:00.000 And you don't see that guy until 12 hours from there.

01:29:04.000 And that guy is sitting there.

01:29:06.000 It is logistics crazy.

01:29:07.000 And you surround yourself with the people who know, have a common goal.

01:29:11.000 Your logistics are all put out.

01:29:13.000 I mean, if you need anything down there, you know where it's at.

01:29:15.000 And you come back to the States.

01:29:18.000 And some of your employees or someone like that can't handle two simple instructions?

01:29:22.000 You're like, that guy would die down in Mexico.

01:29:24.000 Well, it's just that the stakes are higher, the pressure is higher, and everyone's tuned in.

01:29:30.000 Everyone's tuned in, everyone has a goal.

01:29:33.000 You want to surround yourself with the people who have been down there to Mexico.

01:29:36.000 It's two-lane highways.

01:29:37.000 Very dangerous.

01:29:38.000 There's not streetlights.

01:29:40.000 Very rarely there's a yellow line dividing the center lane.

01:29:43.000 And you've got to have the right people.

01:29:45.000 It's a very dangerous thing.

01:29:46.000 It is.

01:29:47.000 It's a logistics nightmare to plan out a race.

01:29:50.000 I always say to people, if I would spend as much effort that I do off-road racing and putting the team together and the logistics in a regular business, I'd have a lot of money.

01:30:01.000 Instead, I'd race a trophy truck.

01:30:03.000 And I don't have much money.

01:30:04.000 Oh yeah, no, this makes UPS look like, I don't know, this is like real logistics.

01:30:09.000 Yeah, but would it be any more exciting?

01:30:11.000 I mean, a lot of money wouldn't be worth it. 1.00

01:30:16.000 There's a lot of people that have a lot of money that we know that are just miserable as fuck. 0.99

01:30:20.000 They're all on antidepressants, and they're always constantly in and out of relationships, and their life is a fucking holy wreck of failure and catastrophe, but they're financially successful. 0.99

01:30:31.000 Because they're not challenging themselves. 0.93

01:30:32.000 I think it has to do with challenging yourself.

01:30:34.000 Yeah, I think you're right.

01:30:35.000 I think there's something about being uncomfortable that provides you with a certain sense of well-being.

01:30:43.000 I don't know what it is, but I was hunting in Montana last year and we were talking about employees doing things.

01:30:50.000 And this show, Meat Eater, has these guys that work for it.

01:30:54.000 I mean, I don't know what they get paid, but I'm sure they don't get paid much.

01:30:57.000 And these guys are working 24 hours a day for the six, seven days that we're there.

01:31:04.000 They're sleeping on the ground. 0.99

01:31:05.000 It's fucking zero degrees outside. 1.00

01:31:08.000 They're huddled up in sleeping bags. 0.99

01:31:09.000 They get up before everybody else because they have to start the coffee.

01:31:12.000 They have to fire up the campfire. 0.99

01:31:16.000 Have a job where someone doesn't want to fucking clean the restroom. 1.00

01:31:21.000 Someone doesn't want to take out the garbage. 0.98

01:31:23.000 A normal job where you show up at 9 and you leave at 5 and try getting people to work throughout the day for what this guy gets paid. 0.99

01:31:32.000 To be 24 hours a day in Montana, sleeping on the ground, freezing their dick off. 0.98

01:31:37.000 But that's what he's doing. 0.99

01:31:39.000 Like, that's what he's doing.

01:31:40.000 And in that world, he becomes a part of that production.

01:31:45.000 Like, this is what I'm doing now.

01:31:47.000 And this guy that you're calling and saying, hey, you know... 0.99

01:31:50.000 Go 800 miles, get some fucking tires, meet us there. 0.98

01:31:54.000 Like, that's what that guy's doing. 0.99

01:31:55.000 And he's there.

01:31:56.000 And he's there.

01:31:57.000 Yeah, and you said, I mean, production, like last year I have a group, we did the F-150 thing, they called my production guys.

01:32:03.000 Like, you've been around production for a while.

01:32:04.000 My guys were up for 54 hours straight.

01:32:07.000 And they call themselves the 54-hour crew, right?

01:32:09.000 Because...

01:32:10.000 We filmed this whole special for ESPN, and then they were filming my whole special for Ford, and they were up for 54 hours.

01:32:16.000 Not a complaint.

01:32:17.000 They didn't hit me for overtime.

01:32:19.000 They're like, that was amazing.

01:32:21.000 And you just got to surround, and I don't care about the overtime, you got to surround yourself with people like, I didn't know my race was going to be that effing long.

01:32:27.000 I mean, we just happened to be, you know, we took 42 hours to do it.

01:32:30.000 These guys do it in 19 or something like that.

01:32:33.000 But you surround yourself with those people.

01:32:35.000 And I was going to say something about our support staff.

01:32:38.000 Our chase crews are amazing because we have volunteers.

01:32:41.000 Like my brother comes out every year.

01:32:42.000 It's something my brother and I can do now.

01:32:44.000 Their chase crews are amazing because most of them are volunteers.

01:32:47.000 They're going to come down there.

01:32:48.000 They'll drive in dangerous roads.

01:32:49.000 They won't sleep at night.

01:32:51.000 They'll be up for 36 hours and eat beef jerky. 0.99

01:32:54.000 And it's cold as shit, and they are always there. 0.99

01:32:57.000 It's miserable. 0.99

01:32:57.000 They hate it while it's happening. 0.99

01:32:59.000 But in the end, you get home, you get rested up, and all the great stories come out, and you love it, and you want to go back and do it again.

01:33:07.000 It's that different level of life. 0.98

01:33:11.000 It's like when you're out there doing the race, you're out there doing some wild, crazy shit like that. 0.97

01:33:16.000 It's like everything's elevated. 0.97

01:33:18.000 You're more tuned in.

01:33:20.000 You're more aware of your surroundings.

01:33:22.000 You're not inundated by cell phones and text messages and emails.

01:33:27.000 They don't even work, actually.

01:33:28.000 I have one phone and maybe a sat phone.

01:33:31.000 I don't even return.

01:33:31.000 I'm like, I'm gone.

01:33:32.000 Once you go to Mexico, go into Mexico. 0.90

01:33:35.000 Be down there.

01:33:36.000 See you when I get home.

01:33:36.000 And that's part of it too, right?

01:33:38.000 Part of it too is like the disconnect.

01:33:40.000 Unplug.

01:33:41.000 Unplugging and then, you know, recharging your brain and being out there in the desolate surroundings going 140 miles an hour over bumps.

01:33:50.000 There's another side of it too that gives you appreciation.

01:33:52.000 I have a kid now, but I know my brother says it too.

01:33:55.000 You're down there and you also see the people, how they live.

01:33:57.000 There are kids, amazing kids, and they live in chicken coops.

01:34:02.000 The blue chicken coop down by Ojos. 1.00

01:34:05.000 They live in chicken coops.

01:34:06.000 I'm not kidding.

01:34:07.000 I'm saying it's a blue chicken coop.

01:34:08.000 That's what it is.

01:34:09.000 And there's kids, and I actually call, this is my own little story, but the kids that never grow up always come out of Ojos. 1.00

01:34:17.000 So there's this little road after you turn down the blue gate on the right-hand side, there's a blue chicken coop.

01:34:23.000 And it looks like every year for 10 years, the same kids come out.

01:34:26.000 They never get older.

01:34:27.000 They don't have shoes.

01:34:28.000 They're smiling.

01:34:29.000 We hand them stickers.

01:34:30.000 I stop them.

01:34:31.000 I give them candy.

01:34:32.000 I talk to them.

01:34:33.000 He signs autographs.

01:34:34.000 You take pictures.

01:34:35.000 You go back the next year, they look the same age.

01:34:38.000 And they live...

01:34:40.000 Joe, I'm telling you, chicken coop.

01:34:41.000 I can draw it for you, right? 1.00

01:34:42.000 It's a fucking chicken coop. 0.99

01:34:44.000 It looks like it's a chicken coop, but it's not funny, but you appreciate you come back and sometimes you look at your kids and other people's kids and be like, you have no idea. 1.00

01:34:53.000 How easy you have it.

01:34:54.000 Yeah, and then sometimes those kids in the chicken coop will go to the dump and that's where they find metal and they find scrap and they take the aluminum cans and they get their money.

01:35:01.000 And they're happy too.

01:35:02.000 They're happy.

01:35:03.000 They're not negative.

01:35:04.000 They're not pissed off.

01:35:05.000 They have no shoes.

01:35:07.000 And, you know, the Baja racers do a lot for the community down there.

01:35:10.000 I mean, sometimes they'll build orphanages. 0.53

01:35:13.000 I mean, a lot of the Baja guys get touched by what happens down there and the people down there and they go give back.

01:35:18.000 Because you can't help but, you know...

01:35:21.000 You can't help but go to these.

01:35:22.000 It's a third world country in a lot, a lot of ways.

01:35:24.000 Not Cabo and stuff like that, but the places where we go.

01:35:27.000 And you get affected by it.

01:35:28.000 You get to see the other world.

01:35:29.000 You do appreciate what we have.

01:35:32.000 Our kids will never appreciate it because, you know, they have 500 shoes.

01:35:36.000 These kids have no shoes.

01:35:37.000 Seriously, no shoes.

01:35:38.000 And they live in chicken coops with a sheet on the front door.

01:35:43.000 Yeah, I've driven into Mexico, out past Tijuana.

01:35:47.000 Into some really sketchy areas.

01:35:49.000 And you get to see these people that are living in these houses that are essentially like cardboard boxes with no windows.

01:35:57.000 And you see these small villages of places like that.

01:36:01.000 And it really puts it into perspective.

01:36:04.000 And even more weird that that's connected to the United States, which is one of the richest countries on Earth.

01:36:09.000 It's just, you just drive.

01:36:11.000 It's like same land mass.

01:36:12.000 Yep. 0.96

01:36:12.000 Just keep going, and you go from Southern California, where the fucking Kardashians live, and you see a Rolls Royce in your neighborhood, and then a couple hours drive, and then all of a sudden you're in a third world country where no one has shoes. 0.96

01:36:26.000 There's a vantage point. 0.97

01:36:27.000 You go through the gate of Tijuana, you take a right, and you go up this hill, and there's a marsh...

01:36:32.000 So you're in Tijuana, and you're right, you have the cardboard boxes, and you look off to your right, and there's a $20 million beach house sitting there, and you can see it.

01:36:40.000 Imagine waking up every day, you're up on this hill in Tijuana, no running water, everything's happening, and you look over, there's a $20 million beach house.

01:36:46.000 It's mind-blowing.

01:36:47.000 Who puts, is it a Mexican? 1.00

01:36:49.000 No, it's in San Diego.

01:36:51.000 States, yeah.

01:36:51.000 Yeah.

01:36:52.000 So you can see San Diego.

01:36:53.000 Yeah.

01:36:54.000 You come up on this hill, you can see, look off to the right, there's San Diego in 20, it's right there. 0.99

01:36:58.000 Yeah, that is fucking bananas. 0.98

01:37:00.000 La Jolla, like those houses in La Jolla. 0.99

01:37:02.000 We used to do the comedy store and we'd, you know, look at La Jolla, like...

01:37:07.000 I mean, they have palaces.

01:37:09.000 These palaces overlooking the ocean.

01:37:11.000 And the most incredible affluent community.

01:37:13.000 Everyone's driving around these expensive European cars.

01:37:16.000 And you're 20 minutes away from Tijuana.

01:37:20.000 Yep.

01:37:21.000 20 minutes. 1.00

01:37:22.000 That's fucking crazy. 0.99

01:37:23.000 That's like, from here, driving to Van Nuys. 1.00

01:37:26.000 You know?

01:37:26.000 Except you're driving to one of the worst spots.

01:37:29.000 One of the worst border towns.

01:37:32.000 Yep.

01:37:33.000 On Earth.

01:37:33.000 But the people are amazing.

01:37:35.000 The people help us.

01:37:36.000 They do so much for us. 0.79

01:37:37.000 Their food's pretty fucking badass, too. 1.00

01:37:38.000 Mexicans know how to fucking throw down. 1.00

01:37:41.000 Tacos. 1.00

01:37:42.000 Shrimp.

01:37:43.000 Everything.

01:37:44.000 Lobster.

01:37:44.000 Lobster tacos.

01:37:45.000 Where's the lobster tacos at?

01:37:47.000 Lobster tacos.

01:37:48.000 I forgot where they're at.

01:37:50.000 Mama's tacos.

01:37:50.000 Mama Espinosa's.

01:37:51.000 Yeah, Mama Espinosa's lobster tacos are amazing. 0.99

01:37:54.000 I should never get to stop there.

01:37:55.000 I'm using a car.

01:37:56.000 Now, do any Mexicans race?

01:37:59.000 Absolutely.

01:38:00.000 There's a lot of people that live in Mexico that join in on this.

01:38:03.000 Have they ever won it?

01:38:04.000 Oh, yeah.

01:38:05.000 No, actually, Tavo Villadosa won.

01:38:07.000 He's part of the Red Bull team.

01:38:08.000 On the 50th anniversary...

01:38:09.000 No, I'm sorry.

01:38:10.000 It was the Mexican Dependents.

01:38:12.000 Yep.

01:38:13.000 Him and his father, Gus, won it.

01:38:15.000 And they're from Tijuana.

01:38:18.000 They're from that area.

01:38:20.000 And there's also Juan Carlos Lopez.

01:38:21.000 There's a lot of Mexican teams.

01:38:22.000 I mean, Mexican teams get a little resources.

01:38:24.000 They go race.

01:38:25.000 And by the way, they don't race trophy trucks, which they do.

01:38:28.000 There's a couple trophy truck teams, but they'll race Volkswagens.

01:38:31.000 They'll race everything you could possibly get. 1.00

01:38:33.000 So you were talking about the French guy that wanted to kick your ass. 1.00

01:38:36.000 Is that a guy from France that came over just to race in this? 1.00

01:38:39.000 Yeah.

01:38:39.000 There's usually guys from 150 countries.

01:38:42.000 People from all over the world come.

01:38:43.000 Japanese guys come down there.

01:38:44.000 I mean, everybody all over the world come to Baja 1000. It's that much of a spectacle.

01:38:48.000 You have to be, I don't know, live in a cave for 800 years not to hear the Baja 1000. Wow.

01:38:54.000 People from all over the world come.

01:38:56.000 Yeah, because I've seen like in Europe, I know they do a lot of rally car races and they use Porsches.

01:39:02.000 Like Porsche has a lot of rally cars where they drive on dirt roads.

01:39:07.000 But do they have this kind of thing as well?

01:39:11.000 In other countries?

01:39:12.000 Yeah.

01:39:13.000 No, rally's big everywhere.

01:39:14.000 Yeah, like this kind of rally, like this kind of like crazy modified truck.

01:39:18.000 They do Dakar, which is a little bit different race.

01:39:21.000 It's a stage race.

01:39:22.000 Dakar used to, it was really from Paris to Dakar.

01:39:25.000 It was Paris to Dakar was the name of it.

01:39:26.000 And now that's in South America through Brazil and Argentina and Chile.

01:39:29.000 Have you raced Dakar yet?

01:39:30.000 No.

01:39:31.000 Yeah, Dakar is a famous race.

01:39:33.000 I mean, it's a very famous race.

01:39:35.000 And we score, Raj and I have been talking to Saudis to try to bring a race over there. 0.99

01:39:39.000 We've met with China.

01:39:40.000 Raj met with China to try to bring a race over there.

01:39:43.000 We are going to try to expand what score is going to do and try to bring it to other countries. 0.57

01:39:47.000 I would think it would be a no-brainer for Saudi Arabia or any of those places where all those rich oil people love to do crazy shit like drift cars. 0.99

01:39:55.000 You've seen those videos, those drifting videos from Arab countries. 0.94

01:40:00.000 Dubai is real big right now on the sand buggies.

01:40:02.000 We need to get them into off-road.

01:40:04.000 Well, Roger's talking to him.

01:40:05.000 We can get him over there.

01:40:06.000 They have an F1 race.

01:40:08.000 You know, the obvious idea is getting all, you know, get all the trophy truck teams, come over there, put them on a ship, get everybody there, and go race.

01:40:14.000 What's the sand buggies? 0.97

01:40:16.000 Like, uh...

01:40:17.000 It's a lot lighter buggy than what we race in off-road, and they basically just go to the sand dunes.

01:40:22.000 They're specific built for sand duning.

01:40:25.000 They have 1,000 horsepower.

01:40:27.000 They do wheelies up the hill, down the hill, and over in Dubai, I guess that's a big thing going on right now.

01:40:31.000 A lot of the... 0.98

01:40:31.000 Recreational crap. 0.98

01:40:32.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:40:32.000 Not races, just recreational crap. 1.00

01:40:34.000 Yeah, they're just having fun. 0.98

01:40:36.000 What is it about people that, you know, like, the moment someone invented cars...

01:40:41.000 Look at these guys are drifting...

01:40:44.000 Why is that exciting to go sideways, by the way?

01:40:46.000 I have no idea.

01:40:48.000 The feeling of being out of control is exciting to most people.

01:40:51.000 Out of control while in control.

01:40:52.000 That's on an open freeway almost.

01:40:54.000 Yeah.

01:40:54.000 No, it looks like it is.

01:40:56.000 That doesn't seem like a smart move. 0.98

01:40:58.000 Well, I've seen some fucking horrific crashes, too. 0.98

01:41:00.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

01:41:00.000 I've seen some of those Arab drifting crashes where cars are flipping and bodies are flying out. 0.99

01:41:08.000 But the moment, like, people invented cars, like, how long before the moment a car was invented before people decided to fucking race them? 0.75

01:41:15.000 When the second car was built.

01:41:16.000 Probably, right?

01:41:17.000 No, I promise you.

01:41:18.000 When the second car was built.

01:41:19.000 Henry Ford based the whole industry...

01:41:21.000 Our whole industry, the first auto race was in Chicago, but our whole industry is based on auto racing.

01:41:26.000 It's...

01:41:28.000 It even goes past the 60s.

01:41:30.000 It was back when Henry Ford was there.

01:41:31.000 He raced.

01:41:32.000 Henry Ford raced.

01:41:33.000 Duesenberg raced.

01:41:34.000 All these guys raced to prove out.

01:41:36.000 Edelbrock, who's an aftermarket guy, but he raced.

01:41:38.000 The thing in our industry is race on Sunday, sell on Monday.

01:41:42.000 So I'm going to go out.

01:41:43.000 Ford built his car.

01:41:44.000 It's like, I'm going to go out and win this race.

01:41:46.000 Indianapolis 500 is based on manufacturers racing.

01:41:48.000 Who's got the fastest car?

01:41:50.000 Yeah, I had a conversation with someone about that once, where we were talking about planned obsolescence, like planned, like that there's certain technology that's available today that you're not going to see in cell phones or televisions because they want it to be obsolete a year from now.

01:42:04.000 And he was trying to make the argument about automobiles, that they do that, that they can make the best car, right? 0.98

01:42:09.000 And I'm like, you don't even know what the fuck you're talking about.

01:42:11.000 Because what they're doing right now is they're racing cars, and then they develop that technology based on those race cars, and that trickles down into the consumer aftermarket cars or consumer cars. 0.97

01:42:22.000 The Corvette program is the number one to look at, right?

01:42:24.000 So Corvette is the longest-running sports car in America.

01:42:28.000 Longest built.

01:42:28.000 It's never went out of production.

01:42:30.000 And their race program, the transfer of technology. 0.62

01:42:33.000 I did a whole documentary series on Corvette, launching the C6. And the whole thing was transfer technology.

01:42:39.000 If they develop a, you know, you do the R&D, which is the hard part, right?

01:42:43.000 Which is what Rob does for his trucks.

01:42:45.000 And they start looking and poking around.

01:42:47.000 You do the RD in your race, and you make that C6 Corvette R, which is called C6 Corvette R. Now it's C7 Corvette.

01:42:53.000 They race those teams.

01:42:54.000 Pratt& Miller builds them.

01:42:55.000 And then there is a Chevrolet engineer, and I know them, on the race team, looking at stuff, checking camber, checking brakes, checking aerodynamics, checking everything.

01:43:05.000 And that technology transfers to your car, which is why Corvette is still one of the most dominant cars out there.

01:43:11.000 For $70,000 you can get, just because they invest in that technology.

01:43:16.000 And that new one is incredible.

01:43:17.000 Yeah, Stingray's pretty badass.

01:43:18.000 That is an incredible car.

01:43:20.000 It's beautiful looking.

01:43:21.000 I saw one the other day.

01:43:22.000 I thought it was a Ferrari.

01:43:22.000 Same here.

01:43:23.000 I told my son, I go, check out that Ferrari.

01:43:25.000 He goes, that's a Corvette.

01:43:26.000 Yeah.

01:43:27.000 I'm like, oh, you're right.

01:43:28.000 Sorry.

01:43:28.000 It looks like a European, high-end, top-end car.

01:43:34.000 And the interior's nice now, too, finally. 1.00

01:43:37.000 They figured out a way to make a car that doesn't look like a piece of shit with a fucking Impala steering wheel. 1.00

01:43:42.000 I mean, they used to have these dogshit interiors. 1.00

01:43:45.000 Same thing the Viper did. 0.92

01:43:46.000 I did a documentary on rebuilding the Viper.

01:43:48.000 Ralph Shields from SRT Motors, he did the same thing.

01:43:52.000 They race, they learn stuff from racing, they put it in there.

01:43:55.000 But the new Viper is amazing looking.

01:43:57.000 What's a better car, the new Viper or the new Corvette?

01:44:01.000 Depends.

01:44:01.000 The price points are much different.

01:44:02.000 For the money, the Corvette has to be it.

01:44:04.000 The price point on the Viper is $110,000, $115,000.

01:44:07.000 The Corvette, you could take the roof off, too.

01:44:09.000 That's pretty dope.

01:44:10.000 The Corvette's pretty cool.

01:44:11.000 Yeah, look at that thing. 0.99

01:44:12.000 I mean, they fucking nailed it, man. 0.96

01:44:14.000 Yeah, but see, all the hood vents, all the brake ducts, all that stuff is all developed from racing. 0.98

01:44:19.000 It's all functional, yeah.

01:44:20.000 It's not nonsense.

01:44:21.000 It's not just something to look at, which, you know, cars have had in the past.

01:44:26.000 We were at a weird time right now in automobiles.

01:44:29.000 Because there's so much power.

01:44:32.000 Great time.

01:44:33.000 But so much power in the cars you could buy on the showroom floor.

01:44:38.000 When they have the Shelby GT500, 660 plus horsepower.

01:44:45.000 Walk from the showroom, pay the guy your money, get in the car, and you have a 660 plus horsepower car with a live rear axle.

01:44:56.000 And you're stomping on the highway.

01:45:00.000 I mean, it's insane. 1.00

01:45:01.000 Zero to 60 in three seconds in a fucking car that you could just drive off a showroom floor. 0.99

01:45:05.000 And in the 60s, it used to be, you know, 280 horsepower, 330. The Boss 302 came out like, oh, it's got 320 horsepower. 0.99

01:45:12.000 That's nuts!

01:45:13.000 And I've actually driven an old 302, and I actually test drove the new 302 on a test track at Ford.

01:45:19.000 It's unbelievable.

01:45:21.000 Parnelli Jones said the same thing.

01:45:22.000 He's like, if we were racing at Laguna Seca, Parnelli and I, he's like, if I had that car...

01:45:26.000 This would be easy.

01:45:27.000 Well, the new 302, are you talking about the Laguna Seca one or the one that hasn't come out yet?

01:45:32.000 Yeah, Parnell and I were test driving the Laguna Seca.

01:45:35.000 That's an incredible car.

01:45:37.000 That car got overlooked a lot by people.

01:45:40.000 It did.

01:45:41.000 Because, first of all, the stripes and everything were a little whack, like the way they were painting it.

01:45:45.000 But everybody wants the bigger engine.

01:45:47.000 Everybody wants the 550 horsepower Shelby, now the 668 horsepower Shelby.

01:45:53.000 But that 440 horsepower Laguna Seca was the perfect balance.

01:45:57.000 Front end to rear end.

01:45:59.000 There it is right there.

01:46:00.000 Yeah, with suspension.

01:46:01.000 That's the Boss 302, right?

01:46:03.000 Yeah, that's the Boss 302. Yeah.

01:46:05.000 That's the Boss 302. And you're talking about Laguna Seca with the red rims.

01:46:09.000 Yeah, it had the front air, the front spoiler, the race spoiler with the pipes coming off of it.

01:46:15.000 They just figured out a way... 0.95

01:46:18.000 To make cars that have horsepower that would be a fucking super exotic car just 20 years ago. 0.93

01:46:26.000 Just 20 years ago, if you wanted to buy a car that had 400 horsepower, I mean, you're spending $100,000. 0.95

01:46:34.000 You're spending $150,000.

01:46:36.000 You're buying the top-of-the-line Porsche 911 Turbo or something like that.

01:46:41.000 Or a crazy Lamborghini that's $300,000. 0.99

01:46:44.000 Now you're buying a fucking Mustang GT. Yep. 1.00

01:46:47.000 I mean, it's bizarre.

01:46:48.000 Bizarre time.

01:46:49.000 It's good. 0.99

01:46:50.000 It's very good, but the amount of power and responsibility that comes with having one of these, you just hand it off to some fucking 17-year-old kid. 1.00

01:46:58.000 Merry Christmas, you little fuck. 1.00

01:47:00.000 Here's your key. 1.00

01:47:02.000 Well, they've also improved brakes, traction control.

01:47:06.000 Actually, I have big issues with traction control and stuff like that because you do hand that guy a 700-horsepower car, and then you really unfuck everything for him, right?

01:47:16.000 If he gets a little squirrely.

01:47:17.000 The car fixes it for him.

01:47:19.000 Stability management, traction control.

01:47:20.000 It starts braking for you.

01:47:22.000 You don't have throttle cables anymore.

01:47:24.000 You've got drive-by wire, and you can hit wide-open throttle, but the drive-by wire, the brain tells you, no, no, no, you don't want full throttle because you're just going to spin the tires.

01:47:32.000 I was racing at Road Atlanta in a Corvette, a C6 Corvette, and they have this turn 11 that comes off and your car gets airborne.

01:47:38.000 And every time I'd get airborne, I'd land, the car would shut off. 1.00

01:47:40.000 Like, okay, idiot, whatever you're doing, you gotta stop, because that's not good. 1.00

01:47:45.000 We're not supposed to have four. 1.00

01:47:46.000 It would shut off.

01:47:47.000 Yep, it would go to limp mode, shut off, I'd go brrrr, I'd go around the corner. 0.97

01:47:50.000 What if you had to fucking maneuver away from something? 0.95

01:47:54.000 Well, the engine would go into limp mode. 0.99

01:47:55.000 It would shut down.

01:47:57.000 I'd nail the throttle.

01:47:58.000 There's no throttle.

01:47:59.000 It would go into four-cylinder mode, limp mode, until I got halfway through the straightaway, and I'd go... 0.99

01:48:03.000 And I couldn't shut the damn thing off. 0.99

01:48:06.000 That's retarded. 1.00

01:48:07.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:48:07.000 That's terrible. 0.99

01:48:08.000 But now they're developing them with sport mode and other modes where you can do it.

01:48:12.000 You can flip a switch, too, on a lot of these.

01:48:15.000 Well, the other problem is...

01:48:17.000 I don't know if this is true, but what people are really worried about is that someone is going to be able to have kill switches so they can shut your car off.

01:48:26.000 Like, remotely.

01:48:27.000 Like, say if you're running from the cops or something like that.

01:48:29.000 They're doing it already.

01:48:30.000 They have that.

01:48:31.000 It's OnStar.

01:48:32.000 OnStar does that?

01:48:33.000 Yeah, OnStar.

01:48:33.000 You can shut your car off like that.

01:48:35.000 Like, Joe Rogan just stole my Cadillac.

01:48:37.000 I'm driving down the road.

01:48:38.000 Can you please shut it off?

01:48:38.000 Bing!

01:48:39.000 Really?

01:48:40.000 Yep. 1.00

01:48:41.000 Can you pull that shit out? 1.00

01:48:42.000 Can you unplug all that stuff? 1.00

01:48:44.000 Probably.

01:48:45.000 It's probably wired in.

01:48:46.000 It's definitely wired in.

01:48:47.000 That's something you can't retroactively, you can't take like an old Corvette Stingray, like a 1970 Stingray, and just take all those modern components and have the same sort of experience that you would have driving a C7 Corvette,

01:49:03.000 but no OnStar.

01:49:06.000 No nonsense.

01:49:07.000 Oh yeah, I'm sure you could pull it.

01:49:07.000 Can you?

01:49:08.000 But you couldn't have the traction control, right?

01:49:10.000 Could you figure out a way to put a computer and have all that?

01:49:13.000 There's enough.

01:49:15.000 Tuners and builders are amazing.

01:49:17.000 They can have the traction control in it.

01:49:18.000 Sure.

01:49:19.000 Because that's what a lot of people want to do now, right?

01:49:21.000 I mean, that's another show that you're doing, right?

01:49:23.000 Resto Mods?

01:49:23.000 Resto Mods, yep.

01:49:24.000 Restomods are the thing where you take an old car and you put all new suspension, new components.

01:49:30.000 That's very attractive to people.

01:49:32.000 Tim Allen's got a 69 Camaro and it's got all new C7 Corvette suspension, wheels, everything in it.

01:49:39.000 You can look it up.

01:49:40.000 It's green.

01:49:41.000 It's beautiful.

01:49:42.000 You pop the hood.

01:49:43.000 You know, like some of the stuff you and I were looking at.

01:49:44.000 It's unbelievable.

01:49:46.000 And he drives that around?

01:49:47.000 Yeah.

01:49:47.000 You can drive it everywhere.

01:49:48.000 Yeah, drive it everywhere.

01:49:49.000 It starts like a Corvette.

01:49:50.000 You can start it from the remote.

01:49:51.000 Boom! 0.99

01:49:52.000 69 Camaro.

01:49:52.000 Just start it up.

01:49:53.000 It's a cool car.

01:49:54.000 What about the interior?

01:49:56.000 Does it look like a new Corvette, or is it like an old-school interior as well?

01:49:59.000 It's an old-school interior.

01:50:00.000 Wow, pull that up, man.

01:50:01.000 Let me see this.

01:50:03.000 Yeah, it's built by Bodie Stroud, built it.

01:50:05.000 Okay, I've heard that name before, right?

01:50:06.000 Yep, I've told you about it.

01:50:08.000 Yeah.

01:50:09.000 This is a video of it here.

01:50:10.000 Is this it?

01:50:11.000 Yep.

01:50:12.000 It's Tim Allen and Jay Leno.

01:50:13.000 Hey! 0.99

01:50:14.000 Wow.

01:50:16.000 Jay Leno's Garage!

01:50:17.000 Hey, everybody!

01:50:18.000 Oh wow, I mean it really is a sleeper.

01:50:20.000 Yeah.

01:50:22.000 That's crazy.

01:50:23.000 That's a Corvette.

01:50:23.000 Turn the volume up.

01:50:24.000 Let me hear what he says to say about this.

01:50:26.000 This one here belongs to a real car guy, Tim Allen.

01:50:29.000 Tim, come on in, buddy.

01:50:30.000 Shitty wheels.

01:50:32.000 Good to see you. 0.76

01:50:33.000 Good to see you.

01:50:33.000 What an introduction.

01:50:34.000 Stock sucks. 0.97

01:50:35.000 Good to see you. 0.97

01:50:36.000 Comedian, actor, best-selling author, and car guy.

01:50:39.000 Car guy.

01:50:40.000 Yeah, movie star.

01:50:41.000 Yes.

01:50:41.000 But most of all, car guy.

01:50:42.000 This is a beautiful Camaro.

01:50:44.000 You know, I've been looking at it.

01:50:45.000 When it first pulled in, I went, oh, a 68 Camaro.

01:50:48.000 But then I look, and there's all these subtle little changes, just the kind of things that I like.

01:50:52.000 Those aren't stock wheels.

01:50:53.000 They're way wider.

01:50:55.000 Uh...

01:50:55.000 The rims are, but they're the ones that go on their stock.

01:50:58.000 Tom Sherwood used to race one of these on Woodward when I was a kid.

01:51:01.000 Green, this car.

01:51:02.000 Stock 327 is one of those things.

01:51:04.000 It's just a great bullet.

01:51:05.000 It ran circles around any other car.

01:51:08.000 I loved that car.

01:51:09.000 Loved racing with them.

01:51:09.000 No console.

01:51:11.000 It was the low-end one.

01:51:12.000 It wasn't the SS. So I redid that, and I always liked Smokey Eunuch, the Trans Am car that he made.

01:51:19.000 And every time I saw one, I think one of the Elderbrock family has it now.

01:51:23.000 And I'd see it race in these classic car races.

01:51:25.000 I go, wait, there's something about that car.

01:51:27.000 Right.

01:51:28.000 That's a beautiful car.

01:51:28.000 Not the fact that it's Trans Am lowered.

01:51:30.000 It's amazing.

01:51:30.000 And he shaved two inches off the rake of the hood, took off the drip rails, which I don't have on.

01:51:36.000 Oh, right.

01:51:37.000 They're natural flares, which they don't have.

01:51:39.000 They're not all buttoned up.

01:51:40.000 A lot of my time with a ball peen hammer, Jay, you know me.

01:51:42.000 Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.

01:51:43.000 Right, right.

01:51:44.000 And then I decided in those days, in Woodward days, they had copos.

01:51:48.000 Right.

01:51:49.000 Which is, what is it?

01:51:50.000 You...

01:51:50.000 Central office production order.

01:51:52.000 You could put it on your order, and if you did the right sequence, GM would put a truck motor in cars, at that time it was a 427, and they put 427s in very few Camaros, and now they're what, you know, 800 grand or something.

01:52:04.000 Right, but what that means is, GM did not want their big engine from the Corvette in the Camaro.

01:52:10.000 I like that they're in his Bugatti room.

01:52:16.000 Is that what that is?

01:52:17.000 Yeah.

01:52:18.000 That room is all for his Bugattis. 1.00

01:52:20.000 He's a nut. 0.85

01:52:23.000 And that's what these had. 0.92

01:52:24.000 So I changed the name to that.

01:52:25.000 That's the name.

01:52:26.000 It's a 427 Copo.

01:52:28.000 That's what I called it.

01:52:29.000 And we did some great little name tags.

01:52:31.000 All this kind of stuff is details that I like.

01:52:33.000 Rally wheels that aren't wheels at all.

01:52:35.000 I mean, it's not a wheel like the old days.

01:52:37.000 Disc brakes have to fit underneath.

01:52:39.000 Sure, you got to make them bigger.

01:52:40.000 Were they 17s?

01:52:41.000 Yes.

01:52:41.000 Yeah, I mean, that's what I like, you know.

01:52:43.000 I like it when someone does a period car.

01:52:46.000 I hate it when all of a sudden they have 22 inch dubs on it.

01:52:49.000 It just doesn't look right to me.

01:52:50.000 Well, you know this town, you hit a pothole and I'm sitting at the side of the road.

01:52:53.000 I gotta have a...

01:52:54.000 because I drive these things.

01:52:56.000 Well, that's a beautiful looking wheel.

01:52:57.000 I mean, that's a custom wheel you cannot buy that was made specifically for this vehicle.

01:53:01.000 Number one, I really wanted black wheels with hubcaps.

01:53:04.000 That's how Copos came. 0.86

01:53:05.000 They didn't come with rally wheels.

01:53:07.000 So I have a set of black wheels that I want.

01:53:09.000 Bumpers I put back on it.

01:53:10.000 All the trim went back on it.

01:53:12.000 Stock mirrors put back on it.

01:53:13.000 No console.

01:53:14.000 None of that stuff.

01:53:15.000 Well, that's what I love.

01:53:16.000 It's really a beautiful, beautiful car.

01:53:18.000 See if you can get a video of the inside of it.

01:53:20.000 I want to see what they did to the inside of it.

01:53:22.000 If you get images.

01:53:23.000 But that's a trend that a lot of people are doing now because they want to have that beautiful, old-school, muscle car look, but they also want to have a car that...

01:53:33.000 That's the interior?

01:53:35.000 No way.

01:53:36.000 That's a real interior.

01:53:39.000 That can't be the interior of the car.

01:53:42.000 Yeah, that's the interior of the car.

01:53:43.000 No way.

01:53:44.000 Press play.

01:53:45.000 Let me hear what he has to say.

01:53:46.000 Well, that was low back.

01:53:49.000 That can't be the actual interior.

01:53:51.000 Like a stunt interior?

01:53:53.000 Because that's an image instead of the video.

01:53:58.000 Why isn't...

01:53:59.000 Yeah, I don't know why they did it.

01:54:00.000 But that is an interior car.

01:54:01.000 I've sat in their car.

01:54:02.000 That's what it looks like?

01:54:03.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:54:03.000 So he put like an old stupid looking steering wheel on everything? 1.00

01:54:06.000 It's a stock steering wheel. 1.00

01:54:07.000 Everything's stock interior.

01:54:08.000 But it's not stock handling?

01:54:10.000 No.

01:54:10.000 It's Corvette.

01:54:12.000 Yeah, it's all C7 Corvette.

01:54:15.000 Wow.

01:54:16.000 Wow.

01:54:16.000 That's the trend, right?

01:54:18.000 That's what everybody wants.

01:54:19.000 And your new show, when is that?

01:54:21.000 Is that airing already?

01:54:22.000 Pilot on History Channel hasn't aired yet.

01:54:24.000 We're shooting the Pilot right now.

01:54:25.000 And you're going to start doing a bunch of different cars like that?

01:54:28.000 Doing four of them, yeah.

01:54:29.000 Now how much would Tim Allen have to spend to make something like that?

01:54:32.000 Three?

01:54:32.000 Four hundred thousand?

01:54:33.000 Jesus fucking Christ! 1.00

01:54:34.000 You can get a goddamn brand new Corvette for 60 grand. 1.00

01:54:37.000 Talk about defeating the purpose. 1.00

01:54:38.000 You can get a trophy truck.

01:54:39.000 Why spend money on that when you can buy a trophy truck?

01:54:41.000 Well, that's what you're into now. 1.00

01:54:43.000 Regular cars on flat ground is boring as shit to you. 1.00

01:54:46.000 They are boring as shit. 1.00

01:54:47.000 Wait till you go. 1.00

01:54:48.000 Wait till you go for a ride.

01:54:49.000 Bring us back when you come back.

01:54:51.000 Okay.

01:54:51.000 I'll bring you back when I come back when we do Vegas.

01:54:54.000 When can people see your show?

01:54:55.000 Because I know you...

01:54:57.000 April 20th on CBS Sports.

01:54:58.000 April 20th, CBS Sports.

01:55:00.000 On Sunday, yeah.

01:55:00.000 It's an hour long.

01:55:01.000 We're doing six one-hours this year, including the Baja 1000. So all the races that Rob's racing in, including the San Felipe 250, is our first race that he raced in.

01:55:11.000 We'll tell you what happened.

01:55:12.000 But he raced in, and it's on April 20th.

01:55:14.000 And Chris from Overhawn, is he one of the hosts?

01:55:18.000 Yeah, Chris Jacobs from Overhawn.

01:55:19.000 Cameron Steele is another compadre of his.

01:55:22.000 He's one of our hosts, and he's a trophy truck racer also.

01:55:24.000 Awesome.

01:55:25.000 And Chris Jacobs.

01:55:26.000 Cool.

01:55:26.000 Chris is a cool guy.

01:55:27.000 Very, very good dude.

01:55:28.000 And a crazy car nut himself. 0.95

01:55:31.000 There you go. 0.73

01:55:31.000 There's Chris. 0.73

01:55:32.000 Yep.

01:55:32.000 Wow.

01:55:33.000 Awesome stuff, man.

01:55:34.000 Awesome stuff.

01:55:35.000 So, do you have a Twitter account or anything like that?

01:55:40.000 Yeah, at RobMac21.

01:55:44.000 Robback21.

01:55:44.000 Okay, and Bud, do you have a Twitter account?

01:55:46.000 No.

01:55:46.000 Bud, no.

01:55:47.000 He says, no, I wear all black.

01:55:49.000 I wear all black.

01:55:50.000 There'll be no Twitter.

01:55:52.000 No one wants to contact me.

01:55:53.000 I don't have Twitter or Facebook.

01:55:55.000 They will now.

01:55:56.000 They will now. 1.00

01:55:57.000 The French are fucking mad at you. 1.00

01:55:58.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

01:55:59.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

01:56:00.000 I should have kicked your ass. 1.00

01:56:01.000 You did not pull over. 1.00

01:56:02.000 Now you talk shit about me? 1.00

01:56:04.000 Ah! 1.00

01:56:05.000 Alright, April 20th, CBS. Thank you, guys.

01:56:08.000 This was a lot of fun.

01:56:09.000 Great conversation.

01:56:10.000 Thank you.

01:56:11.000 And Rob, thank you very much for explaining us your insane world.

01:56:15.000 We have one more thing for you.

01:56:18.000 When we race, especially when I started racing, if you don't win the race, sometimes you get a little bit of money, you get a trophy, right?

01:56:24.000 So we would only race, and I have a collection of them in my house, used to get these little pins, right?

01:56:29.000 Little hat pins, like a $2 hat pin that says finisher on it, right?

01:56:33.000 And that's all you race for. 0.97

01:56:34.000 You just spent all this money, all this time to kill yourself.

01:56:37.000 You've got walls for them. 0.94

01:56:39.000 I got like 10, right?

01:56:40.000 And it says finisher.

01:56:41.000 And sometimes I have, you know, this.

01:56:43.000 And I got a plaque that says winner.

01:56:44.000 But they've upgraded a little bit.

01:56:46.000 But generally, you run.

01:56:47.000 Rob and I brought something for you, which is going to be a finisher's medal from the Baja 500. Oh, that's what it looks like?

01:56:54.000 You can have it.

01:56:55.000 Why would I have that? 1.00

01:56:56.000 I didn't finish shit. 0.99

01:56:58.000 I don't deserve to have this. 1.00

01:57:00.000 It's ridiculous. 0.94

01:57:01.000 You get to remember us.

01:57:02.000 I'll remember you no matter what, dude.

01:57:04.000 You live in my neighborhood. 0.98

01:57:05.000 This is ridiculous. 0.99

01:57:06.000 I can't have this. 0.88

01:57:07.000 I'll leave it here, but I won't touch it.

01:57:09.000 I don't deserve to.

01:57:10.000 I don't deserve to.

01:57:11.000 Alright, good times, gentlemen.

01:57:13.000 Rob McCachron, Bud Bretzman, and April 20th, you can watch it on CBS Sports.

01:57:18.000 Watch it, tune in, enjoy, support.

01:57:21.000 And the History Channel thing is just a pilot.

01:57:23.000 Is it airing?

01:57:24.000 Yeah, it'll be aired probably fourth quarter from December.

01:57:27.000 Alright, let us know when that's going to air and we'll tune people into it.

01:57:31.000 Thanks to our sponsor.

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01:57:39.000 Delicious cell phone service.

01:57:40.000 And thanks to our winner, Holly Mac.

01:57:43.000 HollyMac23 at Twitter.

01:57:44.000 I'm sure right now if we go there, she has more Twitter followers.

01:57:48.000 Let's see.

01:57:48.000 Let's see what Holly Mac's got now.

01:57:50.000 I think we left her.

01:57:51.000 She had 19. She's still got 19. Popular girl. 1.00

01:57:56.000 Not really.

01:57:59.000 Maybe she just...

01:58:00.000 Maybe she won't let anybody in. 0.99

01:58:02.000 Maybe nobody gives a fuck. 0.99

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01:58:14.000 Alright, we got several podcasts going on this week.

01:58:18.000 We'll be back tomorrow.

01:58:20.000 And we'll be back tomorrow...

01:58:24.000 With Mark from Great White.

01:58:27.000 This is going to be pretty interesting.

01:58:31.000 I'll tell you all about it, but he's actually a really good pool player.

01:58:37.000 Apparently he's professional level.

01:58:42.000 We're going to play some pool.

01:58:43.000 And then we'll be back Friday with one of the co-founders of Reddit.

01:58:48.000 Next week we've got Dave Attels coming in and a few other people.

01:58:54.000 Oh, and Andreas Antonopoulos is going to come back too and discuss what the fuck is going on with Bitcoin because it seems to be the hot topic these days.

01:59:04.000 Okay, we'll be back.

01:59:05.000 We'll see you soon.

01:59:06.000 Much love to everybody.

01:59:07.000 Thank you very much.

The Joe Rogan Experience - April 09, 2014

Joe Rogan Experience #482 - Rob MacCachren & Bud Brutsman

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