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00:08:34.000You weren't doing anything that showed that you were tense.
00:08:37.000You weren't doing anything where you're hesitating, anything where you're dipping your feet into the water.
00:08:42.000It was like, from the get-go, you were in the groove.
00:08:46.000And you could see right away, there was a thing where Burrell was like, oh shit, what the fuck's going on here?
00:08:52.000Somewhere in the first couple of minutes, before you landed that right hand in the first round, somewhere in those first couple of minutes, you could see he was like, I'm getting fucked up here.
00:09:01.000Like, this dude is hitting me, and I can't hit this dude.
00:09:53.000You know, you two together are a very unique combination.
00:09:56.000It's really interesting because I've had the pleasure of being friends with guys like Duke Rufus, who's a great trainer and a great guy, and Greg Jackson, who's a great trainer, a great guy, Mark Delagrate.
00:10:06.000I've had a chance to become friends with so many of these guys.
00:10:09.000And One of the more problematic aspects of fighter-trainer relationships are that fighters are kind of stubborn and they have a lot of ego and so are trainers.
00:10:21.000And a lot of trainers used to be fighters and a lot of guys have this my way or the highway thing going on and a lot of other guys don't like to take instruction.
00:10:29.000It's a lot of weirdness when it comes to fighters.
00:10:31.000It's a lot of weirdness when it comes to emotions after losses, trying to figure out who's to blame, passing blame when maybe you shouldn't.
00:10:38.000But every now and then it works perfect.
00:10:40.000Every now and then you got like this puzzle where these two dudes are actually friends and you see it work out great.
00:10:47.000And that's where I see you guys right now.
00:13:23.000I knew what it was like to win a Taekwondo tournament.
00:13:27.000Nothing compared to a UFC fight, especially a UFC fight for the world title.
00:13:32.000Especially a UFC fight for the world title when you're an 8-1 underdog on the consensus, pound for pound, at least number two guy in the world.
00:14:19.000And you figured out, together, you figured out a style and a strategy to expose what you felt like were some areas where he was vulnerable.
00:14:28.000And we actually talked at lunch about the very techniques that TJ was using.
00:14:32.000Especially how you kept passing under his left and you were behind him?
00:14:38.000I knew that I was a lot faster than him.
00:14:40.000He's a big 135-pounder and he's very powerful, but I think that hinders his speed.
00:14:45.000I think he's too big for the weight class almost, and I knew that I could be so much faster than him and create the angles that he wouldn't be able to keep up.
00:15:04.000It's so fascinating watching your evolution from The Ultimate Fighter.
00:15:08.000I mean, I've had the pleasure of watching you from the moment you were introduced to the world, when you started doing The Ultimate Fighter, and you were a hungry young kid, lots of potential, but lots of potential, and then world champion, one of the finest performances the sport's ever seen in just a couple of years.
00:16:17.000It was hard to watch documentaries on fighters' lives.
00:16:20.000It was hard to read books on their lives.
00:16:22.000You kind of just got stories from old trainers.
00:16:24.000And there was a lot of mistakes that were repeated over and over and over again.
00:16:27.000But at a certain point in time, in today's day and age, especially with the internet, you get checked enough so they're getting completely cocky and delusional like some fighters have gotten.
00:16:36.000You've got to try hard to get that way today.
00:16:39.000Because dudes are chippy down, you know, and the world exposed you.
00:16:42.000And there's, like, really good writers now, too, who, like, there's a, what is it, Jack Slack, is that the dude's name, who did that takedown, the video, he used a lot of animated GIFs, and then talked about your article.
00:16:57.000Or talked about your fight in an article?
00:17:01.000Let me find it if we get a chance here while we're watching this highlight and I'll give the guy the full shout out and where the website is so you can watch it because he broke down the very strategy that you used and showed after.
00:17:16.000I'm sorry, with animated highlights of you doing it.
00:17:19.000So it explained what he had done wrong in past fights and how you capitalized on it.
00:17:43.000So they're still fans of martial arts, so they choose to write these really brilliant articles on something, and you're seeing just way more info.
00:17:51.000So more info about what works, what doesn't work, and more info about the mistakes of the past, where guys are fucked up.
00:18:00.000Let's take a look at that documentary, or this highlight reel.
00:22:07.000It's been, especially for how fast it's been.
00:22:09.000I mean, obviously I picture myself being the best in the world, but I never expected it to be this fast and for me to catch on as fast as I did.
00:22:15.000And when I quit school and thought about fighting, it was just kind of like, I hope I can make this work, you know?
00:22:26.000The crazy thing is you're getting better.
00:22:29.000If you can continue at the same pace, again, I hate blowing smoke up people's asses, but I think you can handle it.
00:22:35.000If you can continue at this pace that you're at right now, just the amount of development that I've seen from you from the time you're in the Ultimate Fighter to the time you become champion, I've never seen it.
00:22:44.000I've never seen anybody improve that quickly.
00:24:16.000I don't know if it was kind of a destiny meant to be to make sure where our paths cross or if you create your destiny if it's already predetermined.
00:24:23.000I'm not too sure but this is working out like as if it was meant to be.
00:24:27.000Well you as a trainer you've really fallen into this role with such a passion.
00:24:31.000It's so cool to see because for a lot of fighters they develop all this technique and they have all this knowledge and they get so much better at training but then as they start to get older their body just doesn't work the same anymore.
00:24:45.000There's a certain amount of time you can put into fighting and competing.
00:24:48.000You could Randy Couture it if you're a freak, but he's a rare, rare dude.
00:25:30.000You were still in the game, and you decided to start training fighters, and you seem to have just won't just hit the gas.
00:25:37.000It's what I've been kind of looking to do.
00:25:39.000I've been training guys since I was 19 anyway.
00:25:41.000I was actually one of a mint holder for Mr. Boss Ruten, Sensei Boss Ruten, for his Rattelman fight when he was in Colorado.
00:25:47.000So I learned a lot then also, and I don't know how old I was there, 24 or 25. It's something I've naturally been doing anyway since I was 19. And the last couple years of my fighting, I was just fighting to stay busy and for a paycheck and not to get a regular job.
00:26:21.000So it's kind of, I was in a position where I had three months worth of pay and a year-long injury, you know?
00:26:26.000And then Faber texted me when I was like, hey, Dwayne has a steering number?
00:26:29.000And I was like, yeah, and then gave me the opportunity to come out and work with these guys, and I was handed a parking lot full of race cars and asked to take them to the race, you know?
00:27:54.000Very smart, and he's also super motivated and driven.
00:28:00.000His book is pretty interesting, and one of the things that I talked to him about when I interviewed him for the UFC was how he'll write things down and look at them first thing in the morning when he wakes up.
00:28:09.000He'll have a list of things that he wants to accomplish, a list of things he's trying to do.
00:28:14.000And having a guy like that around Very inspirational, because you want to do the same kind of things.
00:29:03.000Like, if you were in a documentary on the secret, and you were like, I just knew that I could make this happen, and I concentrated on it every day, and sure, I put a lot of hard work in, but the law of attraction is what led you to that victory.
00:29:17.000People would go, oh my god, the secret's real.
00:29:19.000And then they would try it out themselves.
00:29:38.000Like, there are people that have started out in really poor families and bad neighborhoods, and they've gone on to become super wealthy and successful, and they're They're helping a lot of people and starting charities.
00:30:04.000So it's sort of a combination of those things.
00:30:06.000Like, yeah, if you make all the right decisions and you get a bunch of lucky breaks and you don't get hit by a fucking truck while you're trying to cross the street, you can be really successful.
00:30:17.000But it's also, there's a lot of randomness involved in this universe.
00:30:20.000So you've got to kind of, if you don't acknowledge that randomness, people get mad at you.
00:30:26.000Yeah, just this overall general message of doing something positive and directing your life to a certain direction and get the results you want.
00:30:31.000Yeah, it's just when it becomes a system.
00:30:35.000Well, that's funny you say it, because...
00:30:37.000You know, as random fighting is with split seconds and fractions of an inch, I've taken, you know, not completely, but I was able to take some parts of fighting and make it a system.
00:30:46.000And that's one of the things that we train off of, certain numbers and commands and keys, so we can speak while they're in the cage or on the pads or sparring.
00:30:53.000So, you know, that's one of my tricky things in life right now, is taking something so random as fighting and putting that into a system so that we can't Predict the patterns and, you know, get used to what's coming, what may be coming next to the counter or predict the counter and things like that as well.
00:31:08.000And this is something that exists in boxing but is even more important when you add in the extra limbs of Muay Thai, right?
00:31:15.000Like there's more, like technique becomes...
00:31:18.000In a lot of ways, it's much more of a balancing act than it is in boxing.
00:31:23.000In boxing, speed and athleticism are so dominating that a lot of fighters that maybe don't have the best technique have really good speed and athleticism and they'll be a more technical fighter who's slower.
00:31:33.000But in Muay Thai, there's so much distance involved and so many other techniques and so many options and possibilities that a really technical fighter, you know, like...
00:31:58.000And he could beat guys that are a lot faster and stronger.
00:32:00.000Yeah, he had definitely a good base in Muay Thai for sure.
00:32:03.000I wanted to talk to you about your system because you're the, like, as far as the people that I know that have really spent the most time trying to break things down into, I know the Dutch do it a lot, and I had the pleasure of training with Rob Kamen several times, and he's a very good guy,
00:32:18.000and he has a whole system that he teaches.
00:32:21.000You know, he's got this Kamen Muay Thai system that he, he's basically, in a lot of ways like you, has kind of We've sort of broken down all the various possibilities that can happen in a fight.
00:32:33.000But I think you've done it on another level.
00:32:36.000You've taken it to an even wackier place.
00:32:39.000You're thinking about it all goddamn day.
00:32:41.000Kamin probably doesn't even know his own combo.
00:32:44.000We have a combo that's named after him.
00:34:09.000Do you think that, I mean, is it because you're so amped up and competitive and you only turn it on in competition and when you're in there, you're just in there to go to war.
00:34:18.000You're not in there to just make nice nice.
00:34:20.000You're just in there to go to war and that's the only way to get better.
00:34:31.000We've been trying to get this controlled aggression that I have because I'm very aggressive when I'm competing because I'm really competitive and I want to be the best in the world.
00:34:38.000So in practice, I want to practice the best to be the best.
00:34:40.000And when things don't work out exactly the way we're supposed to, I get pissed and go harder.
00:34:44.000And that's something he's had to control with me.
00:34:46.000I've learned to control my aggression and turn it on at the right times.
00:34:50.000But it's taken a long time to do that, so everyone's got this name for me as being the bully in the gym.
00:38:22.000I was gluten-free for a long time, and then I'll allow myself to eat it once a week, which they say you're not supposed to do if you're really gluten-free.
00:38:29.000You're supposed to be gluten-free 100%.
00:38:31.000But what I think is, it's like a lot of things.
00:39:03.000I feel like when I'll eat a sandwich or something like that, like a meatball sub or something fucking stupid on my cheat day, and that bun soaked up with spaghetti sauce just sits in my stomach like a rock.
00:39:56.000Now that I eat healthy, I can feel the huge difference in eating bad, but it's because I've gotten into the profession of what I do gives me money, and since I've been blending all my fruit and vegetables, it's insane how much I can eat, vegetable-wise.
00:40:08.000If I blend it up in the Blendtec I got, I eat eight times as much fruit and vegetables as I used to when I was wrestling, just because I make a blend once a day.
00:43:58.000Instead of being on the girl's side of it, you know, like it's easier for a girl, it'd be a whole lot easier for a guy if you only had so many...
00:44:03.000Listen, if we all fucking band together, we can make that happen right now.
00:45:49.000I guess he was mocking the Kevin Hart Epps feud.
00:45:52.000Yeah, because Kevin Hart and Mike Epps were in some sort of a beef.
00:45:55.000And Mike Epps was talking shit about Kevin Hart, and Kevin Hart made a video about it and said, you know, you're not on my level and you need to up your ticket sales.
00:47:40.000Someone's always talking shit kind of deal, you know?
00:47:42.000And this guy just started working for the UFC and he's giving us a ride to the grocery store to pick up our healthy stuff for the week and to keep it in our room.
00:47:50.000And Dwayne's talking, he's telling a story, and this guy interrupts him a couple times, you know?
00:47:54.000And I can see Dwayne get pissed about it.
00:47:56.000And I only know Dwayne now for like a month, maybe two, and he's at my first fight.
00:54:25.000It was a pretty cool little thing we started.
00:54:26.000It wasn't anything big, but we got some normal followers, and then Uriah shut it down because he wanted to start his own serious radio show.
00:54:33.000It was going to be Uriah's block party, so he made us stop doing it.
00:54:36.000His radio show never happened, and so now two years later, we did our first one again after my fight, and it was the most disorganized crap.
00:54:51.000I hate to say that, but what you should do is, if a guy does a podcast, then you do one too, and then both your podcasts feed off of each other and you promote each other.
00:56:44.000He's going to come up for a couple days.
00:56:45.000It's a weird thing about wrestlers is that the attitude and the intensity that is developed in wrestling rooms, it's not like anything else.
00:56:55.000The amount of hard work that you have to do to be a successful amateur wrestler is really incredible.
00:58:26.000Mentally weak kind of you know, and so they started making fun of him breaking him down and And they broke him down so hard for five days straight Then when we got back to the gym like everything fell apart for him His dog died got bit by a rattlesnake He crashed and totaled his car and then like just started losing fights and ever since Danny found out how like Mentally weak he was and how he could like take advantage of him.
00:58:46.000He started just kicking his butt in the gym Mentally broke the dude.
00:59:13.000Like, Danny respected him so much when we were practicing, he was getting beat up by him.
00:59:16.000But then once he found out who he was, I mean, Ortega's awesome, but once he found out that he was just some other kid that was easily made fun of and took it to heart, then he just broke him and beat him up in the gym, too.
01:00:49.000The physical is obviously very difficult as well, but there's something about when a guy loses his confidence, it's very difficult to get that confidence back.
01:00:56.000That's one thing, too, with all these guys here at the academy, or at Timo Famao.
01:01:00.000They're all super mentally tough because they're winners in wrestling, and that just spread on through, and now they have that sickening work ethic with the proper technique.
01:01:08.000Now everyone's just helping each other out.
01:01:09.000It's a mastermind group of martial arts.
01:01:12.000We're involved in the current stage of the martial art evolution right now.
01:01:17.000And wrestling is so tough that it makes fighting for me so much easier.
01:01:22.000Like the struggles I had through wrestling and how hard it was on me, how hard it was on my body.
01:01:26.000And we compete for, you know, six to nine months straight.
01:01:30.000Like you're in the gym grinding for that long straight and then you have this break.
01:01:33.000To where as fighting you get to peak yourself for each event, you know.
01:01:37.000Wrestling, you're wrestling every week and you're grinding it all throughout the whole season and then you have to get to the end of the year and stay at top form.
01:01:44.000So many people get hurt and it affects the way that the NCAAs go down.
01:01:48.000I feel like the smarter coaches don't have their guys go as hard in the beginning of the season and then peak them for the end, which they should do.
01:02:24.000I've been doing a lot of strengthening for when I was far out.
01:02:28.000Because I knew Burrell was a big guy and I wanted to be able to use my muscle against his.
01:02:32.000But yeah, I still want to get more into that.
01:02:34.000I feel training outside the gym is really important to staying healthy instead of just grinding and beating yourself up every day with the martial arts end of it.
01:02:42.000You see GSP doing all this stuff to keep his body healthy and strong and I feel like that will prolong my career if I can do that.
01:02:50.000It seems to protect a lot of guys from a certain amount of injuries, but then again, it causes a certain amount of injuries.
01:02:56.000You know, there's a lot of guys get injured from strength and conditioning work, and then they're broken down by the time they get into the gym.
01:03:02.000Just doing it wrong since they're smart and doing drills.
01:03:04.000Yeah, I need to find a coach that knows MMA as well, because I don't think, like a lot of strength and conditioning coaches don't realize how hard you're working every day.
01:03:11.000I'll go into the gym and I have two hard practices and I end my day with strength conditioning because I don't want to hinder my performance in the gym so I want to make my strength conditioning last.
01:03:20.000And then he's trying to kill me in that workout too.
01:03:22.000So it's like, man, I'm doing three workouts that are ridiculously hard.
01:03:25.000Maybe on this day we should go lighter or cycle it off my training schedule and know more about the sport.
01:03:30.000And this guy Ish I've been training with does a really good job of it.
01:03:33.000Almost goes too hard but I've kind of had to help him peak me.
01:03:37.000Yeah, and that's good about communication with a good coach, too.
01:03:39.000Making sure you're pushing them just enough, pulling them back if need be.
01:03:42.000That's one thing, too, here at Tima Farmell.
01:04:31.000But, you know, Rampage, like, it's a job and he gets paid a lot of money to do it, but I don't necessarily know how motivated he is at certain fights.
01:06:00.000Even though, obviously, I wanted that belt around my waist and wanted it to be done as soon as possible, I feel like it could have gone so much longer just because I was...
01:06:06.000Obviously, I was in the zone to where, like, professional athletes would pay so much money to get, obviously, you know?
01:06:43.000It's really good as far as the technical aspects of striking.
01:06:47.000Broke it down very well in a way that it's really difficult to break down, and very difficult to do so, especially if you're trying to do it Doing commentary because there's a lot of aspects of movement that he's taking into account about loading up and about firing one,
01:07:06.000two shots at a time, being predictable.
01:07:08.000And now other guys have kind of exposed it.
01:07:09.000He showed his fight with Eddie Wineland.
01:07:15.000Wineland made him move a lot when he fainted and whiffed at bare air.
01:07:20.000And also with Brad Pickett a little bit.
01:10:02.000We'd spar like three times a week, I think.
01:10:04.000Sometimes, not always, but before we got there, we did a lot more sparring, which, looking back on it, I don't think is the healthiest thing, but it definitely got me a whole lot faster really quick in my gym, because I had to, so I wasn't going to make it.
01:10:17.000When you came in, they were sparring three times a week.
01:10:32.000Get better, get tired, take care of your partner.
01:10:34.000They do those four things and we're good in all drills, especially in sparring as well.
01:10:38.000So you just got to make sure that you take care of the guy because he's going to be there to help you the next day and so on, which we understand that, sportsmanship.
01:10:43.000And decelerating on shots when you can.
01:10:46.000Yeah, and decelerating on shots when you can.
01:10:47.000Yeah, definitely not knocking each other out.
01:10:49.000If you got him hurt, then relax a little bit.
01:11:30.000The goal is for you to fire back out of you being rocked.
01:11:33.000Or we're going to counter right hands today.
01:11:35.000The goal of the drill is for you to counter my right hand.
01:11:38.000The goal is not for me to punch you in the face, but get it close enough to the realistic aspect that he has to properly react to come back with something.
01:11:44.000So you're just slowing things down, which is the same case for Jiu-Jitsu.
01:11:47.000Look how slow Jiu-Jitsu is, which gives you more time to react.
01:11:50.000Plus, you're not getting punched in the face, so you're not freaking out.
01:11:52.000Well, if I can take away that fear of not freaking out and getting punched in the face, then I can focus on the proper techniques and what needs to happen.
01:11:57.000So you make it a part of muscle memory so that if you're in a scenario where things are getting wild, your body is automatically going to move that way in the first place.
01:14:42.000I went in there and kind of fit in perfectly because I was just going super aggressive as well and went really hard, which I'm glad I learned to not do so much anymore.
01:14:49.000But it was funny because Babalu's in there.
01:14:52.000Instead of using hand wraps, he's just got his hands duct taped.
01:14:55.000Just hard as a rock, duct taped underneath there.
01:14:58.000He's got his shin guards duct taped on.
01:15:01.000After I got done with practice and how he was talking to everyone, he had to point out how much he loved my sparring because of how hard I went.
01:20:04.000Yeah, if you had like some sort of a suede or something like that, like something with a little bit of traction to it, once you lock that up, you'd actually have...
01:21:04.000I think there was like 11 fights, and out of those 11 fights, no one had a handbrake, and that was like the first time they'd ever had that.
01:21:11.000I should pay attention to that and give a better accurate assessment of it, but I love that they're doing something.
01:21:24.000There should be a lot of consideration taken to this stuff.
01:21:29.000When you see the same thing happen over and over again, what's the definition of insanity?
01:21:34.000Doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results.
01:21:36.000When you have these people that are getting poked in the eyes over and over and over again, it's like, this isn't the only way we can do this, guys.
01:23:23.000When a guy has an underhook on you, his arm is essentially wrapped around your body and you can get your arm underneath his arm.
01:23:31.000Your forearm goes underneath his armpit and it slides up past his neck.
01:23:36.000Then what you do is you put your other arm over the back of his head and he clasps a whole to your bicep.
01:23:40.000It's very difficult to put all those things together because most guys recognize when the arm is underneath the armpit that you're in danger.
01:23:47.000So someone developed a technique called the Japanese necktie and what it allows you to do is It allows you to clasp your hands together over the back of the head and never cinch it up on your bicep.
01:23:57.000But still, it actually becomes an even more effective technique because you trap the head in the center of your chest and it's a nasty neck crank.
01:24:05.000And TJ and Danny Castillo and I were all doing this in an On It video and we were going over the technique.
01:24:12.000And so that's when On It came up with this idea of having you have a benefit.
01:24:17.000Yeah, because I've already fallen in love with it.
01:24:19.000I've done it in the gym all the time now, too.
01:24:21.000Because I go for that darts, and like you said, people try to defend it, and then you can still hold on and get that choke.
01:26:00.000You know, you can't fuck around with that, because that was my bread and butter, was my kicking ability.
01:26:05.000Like, all throughout Taekwondo, of course, and then when I started kickboxing, this thing that separated me from a lot of other guys was the dexterity.
01:26:11.000Have you seen this fucking guy who's fighting in glory now?
01:26:30.000Wildest kick combinations in a kickboxing match I've ever seen.
01:26:33.000He dropped the dude with the right hand, the guy went down, and he hit this jumping sidekick, spinning sidekick in the air right in the dude's face.
01:26:51.000Well, I took Kung Fu when I was really young, but I got serious when I was 14. I took karate, and then I went to this Taekwondo school from 15 on, and that was Jay Kim Taekwondo Institute in Boston.
01:28:18.000But you're starting to see those techniques.
01:28:20.000And those techniques have always existed in Taekwondo tournaments.
01:28:23.000But when you factor in leg kicks, when you factor in takedowns, it's very rare that you see them.
01:28:28.000But you're starting to see those things emerge now because once you master all those other things, then you have this one thing in your arsenal that the other guy doesn't have.
01:28:37.000And once your takedown defense is good enough, you can throw that stuff.
01:28:39.000Once you're comfortable with being taken down, you can throw that stuff.
01:28:43.000And when you're comfortable enough with your striking that you get that extra looseness, just that extra gap.
01:28:48.000And there's some guys that just have wicked spinning techniques.
01:29:04.000That's a tricky thing to train, too, with elbows, obviously.
01:29:05.000We didn't want the pads and such, but you've got to watch it in the spar and just do little drills and everything, like ground-to-pound drills to work the elbows.
01:29:10.000But I'm curious to see what spinning elbow he threw and how he trained it.
01:30:41.000Yeah, I think it's important to set the goal ranking and the structure.
01:30:44.000Everything with the curriculum, everything from the system, it's a steady progression for people to follow through on things and be committed to goals as humans are, right?
01:30:52.000We're just committed to goals, goal-oriented.
01:30:53.000Yeah, I had a conversation with that about a dad who was thinking that belts were bullshit.
01:30:59.000His kid was taking martial arts, and he's like, you know, belts are kind of nonsense, though, right?
01:31:04.000Like, if a guy can beat your ass, he can beat your ass.
01:31:06.000Yeah, but no, because it's really good for, like, you get a, like, when I got my blue belt, I remember I was on a TV show, but I was happier about getting my blue belt than, like, almost anything else.
01:31:16.000I was like, man, I'm not a white belt anymore.
01:31:43.000I'm such a fan of the sport and a fan of him and just love martial arts and came up through the traditional martial arts honor and respect.
01:31:48.000I've been doing kyokushin karate since I was 8 and then Thai boxing when I was 15, so I just...
01:32:31.000Yeah, he's an honest human being, for sure.
01:32:32.000Agree with him or disagree with him, you will get 100% what Boss Rutten thinks when Boss Rutten is talking.
01:32:37.000That's one reason why we had a strong connection too when we were training because I believed he knew what he was doing and when he would ask me to do a technique or a combination it was from his heart and it was something that he chose to tell me because it fit my style.
01:32:50.000So we had a great combination, a great relation.
01:32:52.000That's what I feel with TJ and I. It's freaking awesome.
01:32:56.000I feel like the bond Boss and I have, we have that as well.
01:33:54.000I mean, you saw after he lost to Hinton Burrell, that quick stoppage that he was willing to give my name a shout out while one of the worst things that could happen to you, you know?
01:35:45.000That made me tear up more than even me actually winning the belt is going back and watching Fight Pass and seeing those guys react to me winning.
01:35:52.000So, yeah, it's a crazy situation that we could be put in, but, you know, I mean, they want the drama behind the fights, so, I mean, maybe if they're willing to shell out the cash, maybe me and Uriah will have a smile on our face while fighting.
01:36:37.000Just a ball of craziness going everywhere, you know, and it's fun.
01:36:41.000I mean, that's why we've gotten so much better is pushing each other that hard.
01:36:43.000I gotta go watch UFC fights every day, once a week anyway.
01:36:46.000This must be a weird position for you to be in, to be the guy with the video game controller and to see these guys adopting your techniques and getting better.
01:36:55.000We've talked about it on the commentary.
01:39:47.000I passionately care about my guys and to see them lose and lose like that, that hurt my feelings for sure.
01:39:52.000For folks who don't know, Benavidez got caught with the right hand early in the first round and got knocked out by a guy in Mighty Mouse Johnson who's probably one of the, you know, at least top three guys, pound for pound in the world.
01:40:04.000But you know, Benavidez, when he's at his best, is right there as well.
01:41:23.000I mean, it wasn't like you came around to guys that are just, you know, they've only done marathons and they've never thrown a punch in their life.
01:41:29.000No, you're getting, like, the elite of the elite, and you're training them.
01:44:04.000These guys are close to weight, so when they're in the gym, the focus is to get better at the martial arts and not just to lose weight, you know?
01:44:09.000So it definitely makes a difference also.
01:44:11.000That is a big goddamn deal, man, the weight cutting.
01:44:13.000It's a real dangerous part of our sport.
01:44:16.000I think people cut way too much weight.
01:45:26.000Here's the difference between the Everglass gloves and more padding on the top, and that padding apparently is helping people keep from breaking their hands on impacts.
01:45:40.000When they did the K1 Max, the middleweight, they specifically pulled in 8-ounce gloves, 8-ounce Reyes, which is just padding on horse hair.
01:45:46.000They just moved the hair out of the way, and it's just tape, gauze, and two pieces of leather.
01:47:21.000Yeah, but that would be interesting, man, if you could put it on the fighter, like where the audience would know that when the guy got on the scale, he shows it to the whole crowd.
01:49:36.000And if you decided to have a rematch with him in Brazil, like that's what his coach is saying, you know, if he's man enough, come down to Brazil.
01:50:17.000I feel like the fans, so I'm not saying that the judges do it on purpose or anything, but I feel like the fans play a huge part in scoring cards down there.
01:51:28.000But the knockdown, that you fucked that guy's world up in that round, that's as close to getting stopped as you can get and not get stopped, and you didn't get a 10-8.
01:52:45.000Well, for folks who don't know, we stole a system from boxing.
01:52:49.000Boxing has a 10-point must system, and we just sort of adopted that system for scoring.
01:52:53.000But I don't think it's comprehensive enough for MMA because there's so many different rules, or so many different techniques, rather, that are in play, and you have to be subjective about what is more valuable.
01:53:36.000Some guys have said, like, there was one judge, I'll leave him nameless, but he gets clowned around all the time on the internet, but he said leg kicks don't end fights.
01:54:37.000You have to be able to speak the language to understand it.
01:54:40.000And if you If you just know the words and what the words mean, you're not going to understand them in the context of the flow of the movement.
01:54:46.000It's like if you taught me a bunch of words in Spanish and then a bunch of people were talking, I'm not necessarily going to get the gist of the conversation.
01:54:53.000Even if I know what those words in Spanish are and go, oh, okay, he said, fuck your mother.
01:55:48.000I think that could be an issue, but guys should be examined, and when something like that comes up, they should have a conversation with them.
01:56:02.000I've had conversations with people that gave the first round, GSP Hendricks, they gave that first round of GSP. I said, let's watch that fight.
01:56:57.000I have the greatest job in the world and I'm not even allowed to see it live.
01:56:59.000I have to look at a little TV. Not even a big one, a little one too.
01:57:03.000It's a fucking little ass TV right in front of you.
01:57:05.000And when I'm watching it, sometimes there'll be a moment where the guy's back is to me and he'll throw a punch and the guy's in front of him and the guy drops.
01:57:14.000And so you have to watch it in the monitor and check it.
01:57:16.000But for a judge, for the longest time, they didn't have that.
01:57:20.000So say if a guy jumps, jumps guard and is attacking a Kimura and has got a guy's arm locked up and is starting to pin it.
01:57:28.000If you're looking from the wrong position and you don't understand Jiu-Jitsu, say if you're on the other side and you're the same level as the cage and you're all the way on the other side of the cage, you can't even see if that guy's arm is getting jacked.
01:59:17.000If you're working at OfficeMax and you mess up someone's giant printing operation or whatever it is, you're going to get fired.
01:59:23.000Why don't they get fired for making a horrible decision?
01:59:26.000Part of the problem is that in order to get fired, you have to admit you fucked up.
01:59:29.000So you have to admit you hired someone who was incompetent.
01:59:31.000So if you fired an incompetent person, then they have to review that person's employment record and go, okay, how long has this guy been employed by you?
01:59:39.000And let's look at some of their other fights.
01:59:40.000That happened with the Pacquiao-Timothy Bradley fight.
01:59:44.000Everybody was fucking so angry at this one judge that she resigned from being a judge.
01:59:50.000But then they started looking at her past, and she made some fucking ridiculous calls.
01:59:58.000And you're like, what the fuck is going on here?
02:00:01.000They don't want to admit that they hired an incompetent person.
02:00:04.000And Kaiser was fucking really, really defensive about it.
02:00:08.000Like, I brought it up several times that they have terrible judging.
02:00:11.000And he would, instead of that, he would, like, bring up fights where I thought a guy won and the consensus was that the other guy won, like, online on the underground or something like that.
02:00:19.000Didn't talk about it, like, in a very rational way.
02:00:22.000Like, well, yeah, well, you get wrong sometimes, too, and your opinion's not right.
02:00:26.000No, we're talking about, like, real obvious travesties of justice.
02:00:29.000And he would be in denial about the need for change.
02:00:32.000They'd have to take into account people's gambling, and maybe if they're betting on the science and odds, things like that, too.
02:00:38.000Well, that's what people were alleging and inquiring about when it came to this one particular boxing judge because some of the decisions were so egregious that people were like, what is – because there can be money made, and what folks don't know is there's a bunch of different options that you could bet on when you bet on a fight.
02:01:53.000So, you always gotta wonder, how is it possible that 99% of boxing experts have one opinion, but yet people who are professional boxing judges fuck it up.
02:02:29.000Boy, if you had a big conference and brought in superfans from all over the world and figured out who knows their shit, let's make them watch a fight, you tell me what's going on in this fight, and really an extensive, really exhaustive process, you could have an amazing...
02:02:45.000I got my buddy Mike Temple who watches the fights of the guys and does a breakdown for me or does a breakdown for them as well.
02:02:51.000It breaks down TJ's strengths and weaknesses and then also breaks down the opponent's strengths and weaknesses and how we can do to capitalize on these things.
02:02:57.000So I get looks from other people as well.
02:02:59.000My buddy's a super fan and he'd be an excellent judge or referee.
02:03:02.000Maybe not a referee but a judge for sure.
02:03:04.000I think there would be a lot of guys like that.
02:03:36.000Like one time look at it offensively, one time look at it defensively?
02:03:39.000I look at it offensively, defensively, what they're doing, which way they're stepping, which of course when it strikes, how they react to certain combinations, what they do with their idiosyncrasies, what they're doing when they're tired, when they have their wings, when they're feeling confident.
02:03:51.000There's plenty of ways to look at it, look at the fight, but I always look at it with my guys winning and where the holes are going to be.
02:03:57.000If a guy is good, let's say if a guy's good at a left hook, I want to do something to make him throw the left hook.
02:06:42.000But instead, he let Edson come back in the fight, let him land a couple spin kicks, let him land some leg kicks, got his confidence back, and the fight changed, you know?
02:08:29.000I mean, everyone was obviously counting me out except for my team and myself.
02:08:33.000And so to make that kind of statement, it's still kind of...
02:08:35.000I mean, to hear you say what you say and to watch it again on the fights and just kind of like, holy shit, dude.
02:08:42.000Well, what's interesting to me is not just what you did.
02:08:45.000It's how quick you improved from your time in The Ultimate Fighter and how much potential you have.
02:08:51.000And how interesting this is, what Dwayne said is so true, that we're at a really unique time in the evolution of mixed martial arts.
02:08:58.000And we're seeing these Jon Jones characters that are taking things to this totally new place where, you know, you're seeing creativity, this abundance of different techniques that they have available to them inside the Octagon.
02:09:10.000And you're seeing accelerations in every single place, whether it's jujitsu, you're seeing accelerations in the striking, you're seeing everything is starting to pick up.
02:09:19.000And that, to me, was a milestone fight, because it was so tactical, and it was such an obvious...
02:09:27.000An obvious influence of like you as a trainer.
02:10:20.000At a certain level to say that, it gets crazy.
02:10:23.000When someone has no idea what you're going to do and you're Jacare, Souza, you can kind of do whatever you want to them.
02:10:30.000But it's when the guy's heading motherfucking barrow and you say, well, what he's going to do is he's going to fall for feints and TJ's going to be constantly stepping and moving.
02:10:40.000Once that happens, then it's really crazy.
02:10:56.000You know, they're going to see what they did wrong, and Baral's going to come back, and he's going to light somebody else on fire and demand a rematch, and it's going to be crazy down the line.
02:11:48.000Because if you remember when Marvin Hagler was the champ...
02:11:52.000You never really heard a lot about Hagler's sparring partners.
02:11:55.000Hagler comes from a team of animals in this area of Massachusetts, and they all get together, and Brockton Blockbuster, they all fucking fire up and live together in a house.
02:12:31.000Do they actually do like a dual match?
02:12:33.000I know there's like IFC where you had those kickboxing matches and you keep scoring and everything, but is there like a dual match, like this team versus this team and you keep the score for matches?
02:14:01.000Yeah, you tap out or you get submitted, but it's crazy because guys come over and soccer kick guys in the head while they're in a headlock with another dude.
02:14:09.000Like, look at these two dudes are beating on this guy.
02:15:50.000That reminds me of my dad when we were younger.
02:15:51.000My older brother, he'd always have his friends come over.
02:15:55.000My dad's just this old wrestler, super strong, and he would just take them all on and have them all pinned on the floor at the same time and then scream and they'd get up because they have no idea how to wrestle.
02:16:04.000My older brother and his friends never wrestled, so it's just like he can hold them all down and manipulate them.
02:16:39.000They have an awesome relationship with his parents.
02:16:41.000Him and his parents have an awesome relationship.
02:16:42.000You know, you always hear about these fighters that grew up with, you know, really bad families or a hard upbringing and stuff, and I've always thought about like, I don't, I mean, luckily, luckily I never had any of that stuff, and it's crazy that I've wanted to, I kind of got into this, and it seems like most, most fighters have, you know,
02:17:10.000I think it's someone's vision of how they look at it.
02:17:12.000You know, if you want to look at the fire to heat the house or to burn the house down, how are you going to look at that to positively and negatively motivate you?
02:17:18.000Right, but I think also everyone's experiences are unique in the amount of trauma they experienced, the amount of abuse they experienced.
02:18:11.000Just any kind of game, anything we're doing at the house or on vacation, we've always turned it into a competition, and we get pissed when we lose, too.
02:18:19.000Even my mom, like, yeah, my mom, like, riding ATVs and getting all aggressive, and she's this tiny little woman, too, you know?
02:18:25.000And she's the most aggressive out of all of them, and it's just kind of bred me to compete, and then I wrestled my whole life, and I didn't do what I wanted to in wrestling.
02:18:33.000I didn't achieve the goals I set myself to.
02:18:36.000And so after I graduated, I just felt like I wasn't done competing.
02:18:39.000I didn't reach the ultimate greatness.
02:18:42.000I've always found that with competitive athletics, it's very difficult to do that while you're in college.
02:18:48.000And I've always been really impressed by collegiate athletes that were able to maintain high grades and still compete at a super high level.
02:18:55.000And although it's super admirable, it's not ideal.
02:18:59.000So did you feel like there was also an opportunity once you got out of college, you didn't have to concentrate on your studies so much, and now you could fully reach your potential?
02:19:26.000So I learned a lot through wrestling, which has helped me get to where I'm at.
02:19:29.000It's incredible that wrestling is so difficult that fucking UFC fighters at the highest level say, man, I'm glad I'm not wrestling anymore.
02:19:37.000All the stuff I do in practice, the practice I do not want to go to is wrestling.
02:19:43.000It's going to be the toughest, you're going to be the most tired, and you're going to get the most beat up in wrestling.
02:19:47.000Yeah, it's not the best way to do it, but it's the best way to develop that indomitable mental strength.
02:19:52.000Yeah, I highly recommend getting involved in wrestling if you want to learn the dedication of martial arts and just a hard work ethic and learning how to compete.
02:19:59.000The mental preparation for wrestling is, man, there's nothing else like it.
02:20:03.000Yeah, there's people that think they work hard and they're hilarious.
02:20:49.000Before, like 6 in the morning, we're doing this.
02:20:51.000And then we go to class, you know, you have two or three classes depending on your day of the week, and then you have a two-hour practice as soon as you get done with the classes.
02:20:58.000Or you might have a night class after practice, you know?
02:22:09.000I mean, I have nothing against females doing sports, but to cancel a program just because you don't have an equal amount of females doing male sports, so they do a dance program instead of wrestling?
02:22:18.000Like, we have a dance program at Cal State Fullerton instead of wrestling.
02:22:21.000The Pussification of America, TJ Dillashaw and Dwayne Ludwig!
02:23:42.000Well, I was telling Dwayne before we got here, I don't know what brought it up, but during college days or high school, I would have no problem getting in a fight in high school and beating some kid up outside on the street because I didn't like him, you know?
02:23:54.000Well, I mean, wrestling is martial arts, but now that I'm doing, like, a full-on fighting martial arts and I have utmost confidence in myself, it's like, I don't want to go and beat someone up.
02:24:53.000I think that for boys, especially, that's the only, I mean, obviously I'm a male.
02:24:58.000You learn self-worth and what it takes to be that person, and then afterwards you just kind of, I don't know, you just don't have a chip on your shoulder anymore.
02:25:07.000You've been in the gym letting out as much aggression and testosterone as possible, and then you get out on the street and it's like, you don't need to, you know?
02:25:13.000You don't have that pent-up aggression.
02:25:15.000Yeah, I think a lot of people go through life, a lot of guys go through life with that, what does that sound?
02:26:19.000Studies have shown that one microgram of ecstasy in your air supply keeps you from being intoxified, but instead of being intoxicated, you have a wonderful time during your day, and you're more productive and friendly to everybody.
02:26:34.000That's why Mercedes-Benz is Those things would go through the roof, dude.
02:26:55.000New Mood is one of my favorite products that Onnit does.
02:26:58.000That's the one I can feel the most difference with is New Mood and T+. Yeah, I love NuMood too, and anybody who's interested in 5-HTP supplements, which is what NuMood is, you've got to be really careful that you're not on SSRIs.
02:27:11.000If you're on any sort of antidepressants, like Zoloft, things along those lines, serotonin reuptake inhibitors, I forget what it stands for, but you can have something called serotonin syndrome, where you have too much serotonin.
02:27:25.000The NuMood elevates your serotonin, and then so do these drugs as well.
02:27:31.000You'd just be too happy then, or what?
02:29:01.000Well, I think this is just the beginning of this sort of science of nootropics, and they're coming up with all sorts of different combinations, these things, paracetone.
02:29:09.000I want that stuff to be like NCT. Oh, that shit from that movie, Limitless?
02:29:23.000Isn't it funny though how many goddamn movies there are about a dumb person who all of a sudden becomes super smart and figures the whole fucking world out?
02:29:29.000Like John Travolta when he got hit by lightning.
02:29:37.000Everyone's outside with a pole trying to get struck by lightning and stuff so they can be smart.
02:29:40.000Well, you know, it does work with some things.
02:29:42.000I have a friend and her son got in a motorcycle accident and then he got a head injury and became super artistic after the motorcycle injury.
02:31:23.000Well, you know, there was a drug called Re-Equip that an Irish man won a settlement of, I believe it was like $600,000 U.S. dollars because this drug turned him gay and into a gambling addict.
02:31:36.000He was having unsafe sex and he was meeting people online.
02:31:41.000And getting fucking crazy with dudes and doing a bunch of gay shit.
02:33:02.000There have been reports of patients experiencing intense urges to gamble, increased sexual urges, and other intense urges, and the inability to control those urges while taking one or more of the medications that increase central dopamine.
02:34:03.000The idea that a drug could do that to you, though, is pretty fucking shocking.
02:34:07.000A drug that turns you into acting like a lot of other people in the world?
02:34:10.000Well, not just acting like a lot of other people in the world, but you're a normal guy who has a control of your urges, and then all of a sudden you're just flying off the handle meeting dudes online.
02:35:40.000You know, like, navigating a relationship with a woman is like putting rubber gloves on in the dark and putting your hands into one of those incubation tubes and trying to do a Rubik's Cube.
02:37:46.000But if you came home and your wife went to fucking lunch with some chick who's in an aerobics class and they're eating each other out when you walk through the door, it's really not that big of a deal.
02:38:37.000If there is a possibility that you could go into someone's mind, like say this, say if you and your girlfriend got together and you went into a machine and you swapped positions.
02:38:48.000Like she became the girl and you became the guy.
02:38:50.000Like you had all your knowledge of life, but all of a sudden you thought like a girl and you wanted to get fucked.
02:38:56.000And you want to get fucked by you, because she's you now, and you are her.
02:39:02.000So you liked boys, and you liked you, and that would be a way that you could be gay, but not be gay, because you'd be gay for yourself.
02:39:09.000So you would switch positions with your girlfriend or wife.
02:40:12.000And men who, you know, like the white knights, who like stand, there's white knights that start shit that there's nothing, like a man and a woman could be having a disagreement, like a calm disagreement, and some dickhead will walk up and go, is he bothering you?
02:45:19.000Do you see these injuries like Anderson Silva, Tyrone Spong, these leg check, leg break injuries, which is crazy to see two of them in the course of a few months by super high-level fighters.
02:45:30.000Well, Dwayne, I should ask you this probably as a coach.
02:45:32.000What do you would attribute that to and how can guys prevent that from happening?
02:45:36.000Because it's some of the most horrific shit I've ever seen.
02:45:38.000I don't know if it was a pre-existing injury already, if they had an injury going into the fight.
02:45:42.000Or if it happened then, or if it's just blocking wrong, not turning the toes out, making sure you're lining up the shins, or buffering the blow, or if they went into it.
02:45:48.000So there's a couple, you know, X factors there.
02:46:28.000I know he cut weight because they were talking about it.
02:46:31.000Gokhan Saki had two fights, but Gokhan Saki won the first fight.
02:46:35.000He fought Nathan Corbett and knocked him out, not knocked him out, but hit him with a left hook and his ears started bleeding real bad.
02:46:40.000They stopped that fight in the first round, he blew out his eardrum.
02:46:43.000So he got a first round stoppage, but then Tyrone Spong fought this Brazilian cat and went three hard rounds with him, and then they fought again that night.
02:46:52.000I think that I love Glory, and I'm so happy they're bringing high-level kickboxing to television, but I really think they should abandon that fighting twice in one night.
02:47:09.000If one guy got a concussion in the first round of their fight, fought two more rounds, was out of it, and then an hour later is going to fight in the final match, and the other guy won his first fight with one punch, didn't receive any damage at all, just because they both had to fight doesn't mean that it's an even situation going into the final fight.
02:47:26.000It's absolutely not even, which makes it kind of interesting for the folks at home, but I think when you're dealing with the highest level combat athletes, it's a disservice to them to make them compete like that.
02:47:35.000You kind of have to do that on Ultimate Fighter.
02:47:36.000I mean, you do get longer breaks, but man, that's crunched into six weeks.
02:49:00.000You know, if you were fighting in the UFC and you fought a three-round hard fight and then they said, oh, he's going to fight another three-round hard fight in a week, you'd be like, he's going to what?
02:49:08.000Can you imagine if somebody from this past weekend, let's pick a fighter, Damian Maia.
02:49:12.000Damian Maia had a three-round scrap this past weekend.
02:49:15.000If he had to go and, you know, this week someone fell out and they said, well, Damian Maia's going to fight this weekend in Vegas, you'd be like, what the fuck are you talking about?
02:49:22.000The Vegas Athletic Commission would be like, the fuck he is.
02:50:18.000You got to change for that aspect also.
02:50:19.000The wrestling tournament, though, the only difference being that wrestling, you're not taking head blows.
02:50:23.000I worry about guys in glory getting concussed in the first round and then making it through somehow and then fighting in the finals and getting head kicked into oblivion.