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00:01:14.000Yeah, that whole scenario is leading to so many different people getting in trouble for domestic violence and reports of domestic violence.
00:01:40.000I've talked about this a little bit before that it used to be you only knew the shit that you knew that was directly in front of you that you want information you either sought out or your friends brought to you.
00:01:49.000But now on Facebook and Twitter, people are like finding out about Ray Rice who were like, I didn't know there was a thing called the NFL. You know what I mean?
00:01:57.000Like everybody's getting everybody's shit so that the NFL has had domestic violence for, you know, since the dawn of the NFL and not that it's...
00:02:04.000Any worse than regular society, but they've had it.
00:02:07.000But now it's at the point where people who never were paying attention to the NFL are noticing it.
00:02:11.000Also, people are going and looking through the past of a lot of these different guys.
00:02:17.000I think whenever you're dealing with a bunch of super athletes who are also involved in an incredibly aggressive sport, and you add in head trauma, repeated head trauma, and a lot of them, like Ray Rice has said, that that's how he was raised.
00:03:57.000Or, you know, Polish people aren't white.
00:03:58.000And then eventually they lose the accents and aren't allowed to integrate into the rest of the city.
00:04:02.000I had a history professor on yesterday, Thaddeus Russell, who explained that exact same thing, how all these different cultures integrate into society and they're considered non-whites.
00:04:17.000Yeah, we don't get to integrate it that way.
00:04:19.000Well, it was also, his take on it was the unique aspect of America, is that America was the country that had...
00:04:29.000This Puritan value system, like these people came over and they had this really repressive value system, very repressed society, but they also had slaves.
00:04:41.000And the slaves didn't accept any of that, and then they became part of the culture, radically influenced the art, radically influenced the language.
00:04:54.000I mean, this is one of the most unique things about America, is the African-American influence, and the Western Africans integrating into this really fucked up, Puritan, very repressed society, and then you see in America, like...
00:05:09.00090% of all entertainment comes out of here.
00:05:13.000A massive amount of innovation comes out of here.
00:05:15.000A massive difference in the way we speak English as opposed to the way English people speak English.
00:05:20.000There's so many variables that came out of that.
00:05:24.000And it makes you think, like, how much of...
00:05:26.000Kind of bringing it all back to the Peterson thing of beating his kids.
00:05:30.000How much of the way human beings live our lives is based just on the momentum of the people that came before us?
00:05:36.000Whether it's his parents that beat him, or some fucking weird...
00:05:40.000Puritanical society that you just unluckily were born into?
00:06:47.000And I lived in the, I swear to say the North, but I lived with my mom in the North, so I didn't know, that wasn't a thing in the North that you couldn't say what.
00:06:54.000So I didn't know, and I felt really, like, tricked.
00:07:04.000I got beat with a shoe for saying what.
00:07:05.000Well, kids, when they're starting to sort of find themselves, when they're starting to establish their own identity, one of the first things they do is immediately try to challenge the way you discipline them and the way you...
00:08:30.000Like, I think there's that as a parent.
00:08:31.000You know, as a parent, there's times when you do grab your kid.
00:08:34.000You might grab your kid because you're like, don't touch that or don't do that or you're going to get hurt and I need to get your attention.
00:08:39.000I mean, my daughter's cool, but if I yell, she gets like, you yelled at me!
00:09:15.000Specifically the culture of athletes is that if you're a professional athlete, you've probably been coddled since you were in high school and you've been given a different set of rules to live by so that somebody who grew up with Ray Rice who maybe came out of the neighborhood may not be doing the things he's doing because they work at fucking Walmart and they're not allowed to tell people what the fuck they think all the time and they're not allowed to do those things.
00:09:36.000But Ray Rice as a professional athlete, as a star, is living by a completely different set of rules.
00:09:40.000And what happens to a guy like that now?
00:10:26.000There would be blogs written every day where women would be recounting stories from high school asking their boyfriends to be put back in jail.
00:10:34.000The things that happened a decade ago.
00:10:36.000The professional victim crusade would be out in full force.
00:10:41.000No, there's, and so, but you can't, since you can't do that, Tiger was still walking around with his head down, like going, I said I was sorry.
00:10:48.000I was on an airplane, it was really funny, and there was this guy and his wife, and they were in front of us, and the guy was going over the golf score, and the woman had like a golf visor on, so I guess they probably both played golf.
00:11:02.000And the guy was going over there and he goes like this.
00:11:04.000He goes, Tiger blew it in the whatever round.
00:12:40.000You're suddenly one of those famous people on the planet.
00:12:42.000I understand why on his side, as a kid who was a nerd and went to Stanford and his dad just made him play golf forever, that he was like, I think I'd like to have sex with lots of women.
00:15:05.000We were talking about, oh, Muhammad Ali, I'm the greatest of all time, and I was just saying that some people loved it, some people hated it.
00:17:56.000So, just the idea that you're lifting weights to keep your body strong, but in doing so, sometimes you create all this tension, and then that tension fucks up your feel for where the ball's going.
00:18:06.000And I would imagine a guy like Tiger started getting pretty buff.
00:18:09.000You know, there's a lot of that in how you knock a ball around on a golf course as well, right?
00:19:09.000Last night I did Largo, and I had the other comics backstage when we were talking.
00:19:12.000But I think it was because I wanted to do that because there was a lot of industry people out there, and I just didn't want to focus too much on the fact that, like, oh, this is just my career.
00:19:49.000That, for some reason, some fucking suits decided they should take it from the very profitable FX and move it to FXXXXX, which nobody even was informed was a real channel.
00:20:29.000Well, you, you know, you were known for being a stand-up comic, and then all of a sudden you hear, oh, FX is doing a show with Kamau Bell, and it's being produced by Chris Rock.
00:20:48.000And what you did, I thought, that was really unique is you tackled some pretty interesting subjects and some things you never see discussed, like rape jokes.
00:20:56.000I mean, you had that thing with Lindy West, is that her name?
00:21:28.000But there's that thing, if there's a person who's standing on a stage talking to an audience about the world, then it's a late night talk show.
00:21:35.000And I was always sort of rebelling against that format and trying to make it just a show that I would want to watch.
00:22:04.000And coming from the world of stand-up, and also the world of doing the solo show that got me the thing, I had friends helping me, and I had people who helped me, but it was ultimately, it was my words were the thing that were coming out of my mouth, and my ideas.
00:22:19.000But when you're in that meat grinder environment, especially when it became daily, there's so many people who are sort of yelling things at you.
00:22:26.000And at some point, if you can't top their idea, you sort of go, I guess we'll do that.
00:22:31.000Or if somebody goes, like I just said this yesterday, somebody will be like, oh, you know what?
00:22:36.000I was thinking we could do a cold open.
00:22:37.000Well, I don't really want to do a cold open because that's just not the kind of show I want.
00:22:40.000Well, I think if we have a big guest on, we'll do the cold open.
00:24:03.000Because he had South Park and he had all the other stuff on Comedy Central, whereas on FX... On FXX, they had one night of original programming that included me when it was like The League or It's Always Sunny or Jim Jefferies.
00:24:15.000Every other night, it would be like somebody would be at home watching a Mad About You rerun and enjoying it.
00:24:20.000And then suddenly a black guy would come on screaming about the events of the day.
00:24:23.000And I'd get that and be like, whoa, whoa, whoa!
00:24:53.000If you're watching a rerun of some sitcom from the 90s and you're enjoying it, which you can, and then suddenly I come on screen and I'm basically the opposite of that.
00:25:02.000I'm a guy who's talking about right now.
00:25:04.000I'm not talking about what happened in the 90s.
00:25:05.000And I'm a black guy and you're just watching a bunch of white people on the Upper West Side of Manhattan talk about, well, how are we going to get to the coffee shop if we don't bob it up?
00:25:13.000And then I come on there talking about homophobia.
00:25:16.000It's a hard transition, whereas if there's a network that's programmed where I'm a part of the package, then things will segue one into the other.
00:25:25.000Well, yeah, not only a guy that's a polar opposite of the 90s, a current guy, but a progressive black guy.
00:25:42.000And I'm doing things where I'm being vulnerable or also talking about issues that I don't know anything about and I'm trying to learn about them.
00:25:49.000And that I thought was an interesting approach of your show that you don't really see too much when it comes to controversial issues.
00:25:55.000Like a guy who instead of pretending to be the expert in everything, the voice of reason, you kind of laid back and asked questions and tried to piece it together on the spot.
00:26:06.000The Man on the Street stuff we did was always the stuff people responded to the best, in addition to the debates we did.
00:26:12.000But when I would go in the street and talk to people, and we would make comedy out of what we were talking about, whether we agreed or not, just out of me talking to them about whatever the issues were.
00:26:21.000And that stuff, I always felt like my comedy, it doesn't work if I pretend to be the smartest guy in the room.
00:27:03.000There's areas where I feel like I will hold my opinion, but for a lot of stuff, we don't have to know everything all the time.
00:27:09.000When I watched your show, the first thing I thought, besides that this is a really good show and really unique, is that you should be on the internet.
00:27:15.000I'm like, why doesn't he just do this fucking show on the internet where he could be himself 100%?
00:29:52.000Yeah, so it's become a thing where unless you live there for 40 years and own your property, old people are being kicked out of apartments they've lived in for their entire lives because landlords are turning their buildings into condos, and it's really a big deal there.
00:30:07.000I lived in San Francisco during the Vietnam War.
00:30:10.000I lived in San Francisco when I was a little kid.
00:31:13.000You know, that's a big thing about it is it's not about kindness and love and understanding so much as about pushing their idea what kindness, love, and understanding should be.
00:31:23.000And if you disagree, you're a fucking male pig, patriarch, asshole, white privilege, piece of shit, dying of fire.
00:31:35.000No, but I think people don't realize, and that's what the show was trying to do, that people get caught up in like, I'm a, for example, my friends, I have militant black friends who are like, militant black is the thing, and they sort of ignore the gay rights side of it, and suddenly somebody starts talking about gay rights,
00:34:03.000It's funny, one of my favorite things about San Francisco, and just favorite things I ever saw in San Francisco was, so, gay community, crystal meth has been a problem in the gay community.
00:35:31.000It was like, he's got this horrified look on his face, and he's got his shirt off, and it's from the perspective of like, oh, some guy is fucking him in the ass.
00:36:06.000Yes, I think San Francisco is like, if not the smartest, one of the smartest towns in the world.
00:36:12.000I mean, I think it gets a lot of credit for that, and I think that it can be, but I also think that if you, like, the comedy crowds get attention for being smart, I think that can be true, but it's also, you can also walk into a San Francisco club and be like, where did these people come from?
00:37:06.000I mean, unless we want to storm the streets and get all, like, Ukraine in there, the concentrated wealth makes it damn near impossible.
00:37:12.000Because the first, not the first wave, but when I moved to San Francisco in the 90s, there was the dot-com, the first dot-com bubble, and they tried to gentrify the mission.
00:37:19.000And back then, what they were doing was tearing down stuff and building new things.
00:37:24.000The neighborhood flexed on them and said, and the mission's a historically Latino neighborhood, and the neighborhood flexed and said, no, you can't do this.
00:37:29.000And I don't know how they did it, but they stopped them.
00:37:30.000But now, the money is so much bigger, and the bubble didn't burst, and it's Google money, And Facebook money, which is going to last for the end of time, time being 10 years from now, but that the money's so concentrated that, and they're now being sneaky about how they gentrify.
00:37:51.000So you just go, you just suddenly, you don't know that the neighbor's gentrified, but then you go, man, there sure are a lot more wine bars around here than there used to be, but they don't look like that from the outside.
00:38:00.000Yeah, and you go into them and they're just unbelievably renovated.
00:38:03.000Like, whoa, what the fuck did you guys do?
00:38:05.000But they've kept the outsides in such a way that it's more invisible.
00:38:09.000But yeah, there's the Google bus in San Francisco.
00:38:11.000All the Googleites used to live in Mountain View down by Palo Alto.
00:38:16.000But then Google just did this thing that's become very controversial.
00:38:19.000They have a free bus that will take you from certain San Francisco neighborhoods straight to Google.
00:38:23.000So that the 25-year-old people who work at Google can live in the cool hip city, but then get to work for free.
00:38:31.000But what that does is that every stop on the Google bus line, it changes the neighborhood.
00:38:37.000Because people want to live next to the Google bus line, and so then suddenly neighborhoods that, like it would have been a poor neighborhood or a struggling neighborhood, people are buying the property there and renovating things and then pushing the other people out of the neighborhood.
00:38:48.000So in a sense, the Google bus, which is good, because it keeps cars off the highway, and it also helps Google out because people get on the bus and start working right away.
00:38:56.000So when people go, it's great, we have free Wi-Fi!
00:40:05.000The concentrated wealth artificially inflates the values of everything around it, which means people who've lived there forever suddenly are being told, you can't live here anymore.
00:40:57.000If you say capitalism unchecked, Capitalism, I feel like, unless you sort of go, hey, maybe we should keep an area for people who've lived here.
00:41:08.000We shouldn't allow people to get kicked out of their houses.
00:41:10.000Old people should never be kicked out of their houses if they're paying the rent that they agreed to pay when they moved in 800 years ago.
00:41:18.000People should be allowed to buy whatever property they want to buy that's for sale, but it's also a thing where you shouldn't make it easier on those people and harder on the people who actually don't have the ability to go live somewhere else.
00:41:28.000Yeah, it gets really tricky when they run out of places they can go to, too.
00:41:32.000Especially if you have a rent control type situation, if they boot you out of that, good fucking luck finding a place for $800 a month.
00:41:39.000And if you're an old person, your family may not live in the area, and suddenly you're moving all your shit?
00:41:58.000Yeah, and it's not nice, but for $600 a month, it's nice!
00:42:03.000And I think about that, and there's no way anywhere in the Bay Area that she could ever...
00:42:07.000We talk about her moving out there, and I'm like, I'm not making that FX money anymore.
00:42:11.000We have to figure out, I've got to get something else going before we can move you out here, because you're not going to find anything for $600 a month.
00:43:09.000They're all very nice, but like San Francisco, it's thick with it, the Bay Area, because it's temperate, and we have social services for those people, and that is a good thing.
00:43:18.000And I lived in a neighborhood where I knew all the homeless people, and they were all pretty cool.
00:43:22.000There was rarely a time when I had a problem with it, you know?
00:43:27.000And you know what's also great, the hidden benefit of homeless people?
00:43:30.000In San Francisco, there's a culture, if you walk out of a restaurant and you have leftovers, and you don't want to eat them, you just put them on a trash can, and you blink, and they're gone.
00:43:58.000And the mental health care in this country just doesn't, it's not up to snuff.
00:44:03.000I mean, these people are just not being taken care of the way a culture should probably look after its citizens.
00:44:09.000Well, yeah, and I think, I don't know for sure, but from what I heard in the Bay Area, when Reagan was governor, he opened up the doors in the hospital.
00:44:16.000It wasn't just when he was governor, when he was president.
00:44:18.000When he became president, he changed what the requirements are.
00:44:22.000And said, oh, you guys could feed yourself?
00:44:32.000America's probably number one issue is mental health issues.
00:44:36.000To take it back to the football player thing, the NFL Rookie Symposium should involve sitting down with a therapist and talking about, okay, you're about to make a lot of money and you've had everything in your life, but let's try to figure out what in your past is going to lead you to make bad decisions in the future.
00:44:50.000That's all well and good, but the reality is you're never going to be able to change anybody out of a fucking conversation.
00:44:56.000The reality of being a guy who's poor to being a guy who's a fucking NFL superstar making millions of dollars.
00:46:33.000And to sort of keep them away from general population?
00:46:36.000I think it's something that the people that are involved in the sport, from high school to college coaches to everyone, it's something that's not addressed, but it's one of the most difficult aspects of competitive athletic sports, combat sports as it were.
00:46:58.000Yeah, so I think that just the realities of dealing with being a combat athlete or any sort of explosive athlete, you're dealing with physical contact on a regular basis, call it whatever you want.
00:47:11.000It's hard to be a functional member of a calm, staid, normal society on top of doing that at the same time.
00:47:19.000Yeah, and just especially like you're saying, To me, I always think about the fact that these guys, again, it's like the professional athletes have been since high school, now since 7th or 8th grade, been sort of, the rules have been changed for them.
00:47:30.000And they've been coddled, and you don't have to go to class.
00:47:39.000And so sometimes they don't get the life skills that a regular person would get because they've been sort of segregated from regular society.
00:47:46.000Can you give somebody a million dollars and tell them that they're the best?
00:50:31.000And that becomes a great way to get people aware of the show.
00:50:35.000So it's almost like the time that it's on is not nearly as important as the fact that it's being made.
00:50:41.000Yes, and what I ran into on my shows, because I didn't grow up wanting to, because I've read both the late night books that Bill Carter wrote, all those dudes grew up wanting to be late night talk show hosts.
00:50:50.000Like Conan and Kimmel, Letterman was their hero, and Carson was their hero.
00:52:13.000It's not, like, I said it, and somebody may tweet at me and tell me not to say it, and I'm like, oh, but I'm not responsible for billions of dollars.
00:52:19.000If someone does tweet you and tells you, retweet the shit out of that.
00:52:29.000The thing I like to do, when people say shitty things to me that I think are actually just shitty and not helpful, I've turned a few people.
00:54:07.000Look, I don't agree with a lot of the social justice warriors and their tactics and the professional victim mentality that a lot of them portray, but...
00:54:16.000I feel like that's two different groups of people.
00:54:17.000I feel like social justice people and professional victims, I just think that's...
00:54:21.000Isn't that two different groups of people?
00:54:23.000The point is, like, really whiny, overly sensitive, super progressive, aggressive people.
00:54:29.000I think, though, that it opens up the dialogue and forces people to, even if you're communicating about it in a way where you're defending your position, that conversation gets, like, a perfect one, a perfect subject is, this subject is coming up a lot lately,
00:54:46.000where a lot of feminists are trying to push the idea that if a person has sex with someone that's been drinking, that it's rape.
00:55:35.000And it also, it discredits women in a lot of ways because you're saying that they're not capable of forming their own decisions and deciding that they want to have a couple of drinks and fuck some guy.
00:56:00.000I mean, it's not always a negative thing, and that's the problem with broad strokes, like painting with broad strokes.
00:56:06.000In introducing this dialogue and discussion and making people angry about this debate, they are bringing up the very real situation of people drugging people and getting people drunk and having sex with them, which is disgusting.
00:56:55.000I love when there's people sometimes so far, because the right is filled with people who are so far on the right and are always barking and people don't get a lot of attention.
00:57:04.000The left has historically been ashamed of that.
00:57:24.000Well, I don't know if it has to be, but it aids in that movement.
00:57:29.000I mean, this is a little example of it.
00:57:32.000People will say that Occupy Wall Street didn't accomplish anything.
00:57:36.000However, we didn't talk about the words income inequality ever in this country until Occupy Wall Street.
00:57:41.000Well, it introduced the phrase, the 1%.
00:57:44.000And so, people say it didn't accomplish anything.
00:57:47.000But by going to the parks and sitting out and getting your bongos out and knitting for justice or whatever and feeding people and giving out books, now that is in the...
00:57:56.000People on the right will say income inequality in the 1%, not realizing that they've adopted the speech of the left.
00:58:02.000And so that means sometimes you have to have a tantrum To get some attention.
00:58:07.000And I think coming from historically black people, we are used to like, okay, we need to have a tantrum.
00:58:12.000Sometimes that tantrum is inventing rock and roll.
00:58:14.000And sometimes it's a million man march, you know?
00:58:16.000It's just that's the nature of getting attention in America as an oppressed group.
00:58:21.000Well, it's also the first time ever where people can...
00:58:45.000On the climate, that's not a sexy issue.
00:58:49.000But they got the word out and made people think it's important, which I believe it is.
00:58:53.000But it's also a thing where it's like, as a person who's like, I have other issues that I'd like to see the streets clogged up with.
00:58:59.000But okay, I'm glad we're getting the streets clogged.
00:59:01.000Yeah, well, it's a fascinating time when you see these movements and you see how big they are.
00:59:06.000And right now, nonviolent and peaceful.
00:59:08.000But the government, be sure, is aware that this could also be a large protest that turns violent, like an overthrow-the-government type protest.
00:59:17.000I mean, look, this guy that just fucking broke into the White House the other day, the guy who popped the fence.
01:00:53.000But the point is that these movements that you see like in New York City where they're clogging the streets, that could easily happen at the White House.
01:01:01.000If a million people just stormed the White House and tore it to the ground, you know, stomped to death, all the fucking Secret Service agents were holding their heads up to the camera.
01:01:12.000Like, that shit is not outside the realm of possibility if everything goes horribly wrong.
01:01:17.000Well, no, not—I mean, you know, ISIS is doing a good job of recruiting people right now with some Hollywood-style videos, and, you know, if somebody in America picked up that ball, you know, I think that's what the White House is afraid of right now, is that clearly ISIS, or ISIL, whatever you call it, is recruiting from here.
01:01:33.000But at least it's like, it's stirring the pot here in a way.
01:01:36.000Nobody thought Al-Qaeda was recruiting from, it was like, oh, going to get American people to do it.
01:01:40.000Every now and again there was one, but this is like actually, there's a sense that they are recruiting.
01:01:43.000Like there was that, in that video that they released, there's the one shot of like a cell phone video of somebody driving past the White House and shooting video of the White House, which everybody can do.
01:01:53.000But the fact that it was in the ISIS video is like, oh shit, it implies something.
01:01:59.000But yeah, I think we could do that, but the only way that happens in America is you have to make it seem legitimate and you have to make it sexy.
01:02:09.000Occupy Wall Street became sexy for a few months.
01:02:11.000We need like an ice bucket challenge to take over the government.
01:02:50.000It reminds me of that scene in Casino when they talk about Ocean's Eleven, the most successful Vegas heist robberies, and it's only people who got to the door.
01:03:26.000I mean, I don't think in our lifetime, I don't know, if we're going to ever see some sort of a crazy million group of people that are storming the government like we saw in Egypt, like we saw in Libya.
01:04:17.000If more things happen in America and we think it's a direct result of mismanagement, misgovernment, corruption, what have you, and people die and Chicago's blown off the face of the map, some ugly shit could go down.
01:04:30.000Yeah, but you're talking about a post-apocalyptic, like a Blade Runner type.
01:04:37.000That's not something that we're several steps away from.
01:04:41.000We are several steps, but that's one of the reasons why people will never give up their fucking guns.
01:04:45.000It's one of the reasons why people think, like, this shit could always happen.
01:04:49.000I want to be locked and loaded with a bunch of water in my basement, some potatoes on standby, bags of rice and potatoes.
01:04:58.000With the thing where I can clean my urine so I can drink it.
01:05:03.000I mean, I'm not trying to take people's guns away, but when has a cache of guns stopped the government from taking anybody down, if they wanted to take them down?
01:05:46.000And I'm not for the government ruling everything.
01:05:49.000I just think that the thing that you see in Egypt and in Ukraine is that if people storm the streets, it doesn't matter how many tanks you have.
01:06:57.000The shit was written in the 1700s and everybody's clinging to it.
01:07:01.000That's the hilarious thing about the Constitution in general.
01:07:03.000That it's written like, this is unconstitutional!
01:07:06.000Yes, but the fucking Constitution is old as shit!
01:07:10.000Well, as I understand it, as I was taught in high school American history class, when they wrote it, they were like, this will just set the country up for about 20 years, and then we'll come back and look at this.
01:07:22.000Like, this is just the, we're done with the British, we gotta make sure they don't come back, so we need militias just in case they show up again.
01:08:40.000I don't believe that there is a guy in heaven looking down on me.
01:08:44.000But I do like to think of the universe as being a place where...
01:08:48.000Where if you live a good life and have order, that things will work out for you.
01:08:53.000And so, and certainly I will retreat to, you know, I like to think that, it makes me feel comforted to go, thanks God, but I'm not going, before we get started, let's have a prayer.
01:10:28.000You can't just be there and be hanging out with people having a good time.
01:10:32.000Well, I think it is that, but it's also, those people, they go there because that's the place where they're permitted to have it, but they're living it the whole year.
01:10:39.000Sometimes they're just dressed like a furry in their house, you know what I'm saying?
01:10:41.000But then that's the year they go, it's like Christmas, we're allowed to hang the lights and do all the shit, and it's just fun!
01:10:46.000But then some people also carry, they have a cross on their wall, you know?
01:10:50.000I don't think there's much difference ultimately between a Spider-Man poster on your wall, then a cross on your wall, if that's the thing that you're focused on, you know?
01:11:02.000There's certainly, and I live in San Francisco where people are hyper-focused about their version of their life.
01:11:08.000Like, I want to live my life this way, I want to go to this coffee shop, and I go to this bar, and I do leather things on the weekend, and I go to the Folsom Street Fair, and that, to me, it's like, that's your religion.
01:11:20.000That's the thing that makes you feel better about the world, and that's how you put order on the world.
01:11:24.000But you're not, and your God may be that, you know, that I'm going to live the best gay lifestyle I have or that I'm going to be the best, you know, whatever.
01:11:34.000We just don't want to put that word on them.
01:11:36.000So for me, my God is actually, I put the word God on there because I don't want to be a hypocrite and be like, I'm like, basically when I went, when I met my wife, she was in religious studies major or she was in graduate school for that.
01:11:46.000And I was like, I did the thing that everybody says, I'm not religious, I'm spiritual.
01:12:17.000There's nothing that you can point to in science that says, well, we can't explain this, we're pretty sure that what this is is God's work.
01:12:25.000But there's a, I mean, certainly there's, that's the thing, and I feel very comfortable in not, because I'm not trying to convince you guys, I feel very comfortable in not being able to prove the thing that I sort of walk around with.
01:12:43.000It can give you sort of a path to lead your life in a positive manner.
01:12:47.000There's nothing wrong with religion, but it's not Iron Man.
01:12:51.000But I believe that we all, that there are things that we put in our, and I'm not, this isn't even criticism.
01:12:57.000It's just there are things that people put in their life, like I don't believe in God, and then you see that they spend, whatever you're spending the most time doing that you feel like is making you a better person, that's your God.
01:14:38.000The reality is, I've seen way more fucked up shit doing psychedelic drugs than anybody has ever described in the Bible.
01:14:44.000You know, if you go to heaven and it's just a guy with a harp and angels and St. Peter's really at the pearly gates and the floor's made out of clouds, like, that would be so normal in comparison to, like, a DMT trip.
01:14:58.000Like, that shit would be, like, pretty mundane.
01:15:00.000And I feel like people talk about proof all the time.
01:15:02.000I don't know why this phone fucking works.
01:15:04.000Well, they could figure that out, though.
01:15:05.000You just need to talk to someone educated.
01:15:07.000But nobody's going to explain it to me in a way that I could take it apart and put it back together.
01:16:20.000But I didn't grow up with my dad in the house, and so I found surrogate dads in places In entertainment, who I felt like this is a person I should try to be like.
01:16:29.000Bruce Lee was a surrogate dad of mine, you know, that just showed me that, again, helping me learn a moral code and giving me an example of how to be an adult and how to be a man.
01:16:39.000Yeah, I had the same, I had a martial arts instructor that did that for me.
01:16:43.000I had a martial arts instructor who did it for me.
01:16:45.000There's a thing about movies and, like, having someone who maybe even is an unrealistic depiction of a human being, like, so moral and ethical and powerful and strong, but that can be empowering if you want to be like Denzel Washington.
01:18:10.000When I was in that movie theater, I was acutely aware, first of all, that we were the only white people in there, and I was also acutely aware that every fucking ad for every preview, every movie, was white people.
01:18:22.000It was all white people, and I was like, whoa!
01:18:25.000But being in that position, having that perspective of being a white person in an all-black movie theater, I was like, Whoa!
01:18:33.000And being high as fuck made me super sensitive to it.
01:18:38.000And there was only one white guy that interacted with a black guy in all the previews.
01:18:43.000And it was Jonah Hill in some fucking goofy-ass movie about playing a babysitter where he brings the kids and talks to this black doorman and he's talking to them in this really fucking depressing slang.
01:19:11.000Then, Planet of the Apes plays, and everyone in the movie is white except the bad guy who's a black guy who fucking forces the drugs to get into the monkeys, and then the monkeys go loose and take over the world.
01:19:58.000Yeah, and the black people in the audience just stone-faced watching these previews, waiting, no one's laughing, as they shouldn't.
01:20:04.000There's the most depressing thing ever is when you go to the movies and the previews look like dog shit and someone's laughing out, ah-ha-ha!
01:20:19.000When it's a stone face like that, and then slowly people laugh at it, like slowly the audience starts to, they're not laughing with it, they're laughing at it.
01:20:27.000That happens in San Francisco sometimes, and people are like, they're actually like, no, we're laughing at you, movie.
01:20:56.000For me, I remember the time I off, I remember where I just felt like, why'd you just let me down?
01:21:01.000It was Steve Martin in the movie with Queen Latifah, and some sort of thing where she's the blah, blah, blah, and he's the blah, blah, blah, and together they got the blah.
01:21:10.000And the trailer's just her being a very outsized version of a black woman and him being a very narrow version of a white guy.
01:21:15.000And in the middle of it, Steve Martin, one of the greatest comedians of all time, He was in the Comedy Hall of Fame, does the thing where he walks through a black club all gangstered out in a jersey, and he's walking like a quote-unquote black guy.
01:22:26.000Well, it's also you're never dealing with things from a neutral point, because you're dealing with things from the repercussions of all the other shit that you've seen already before that.
01:22:34.000Yeah, and the thing is, as has been stated by many people, is that in this country, most people watching those trailers that you saw aren't going, these are a bunch of white people in these trailers.
01:22:43.000They're going, there's a bunch of people in these trailers.
01:22:45.000But then if you show the trailer for Friday After Next, then it's a bunch of black people in those trailers.
01:23:22.000And I feel like white people, one way to sort of put less racism in the world is white people have to start putting white on their magazines.
01:23:29.000They have to start, if white people got more comfortable with talking about their whiteness, it would make the rest of us not look crazy when we talked about our ethnicity.
01:23:35.000But sometimes when I go, as a black man, people go, why do you have to?
01:23:49.000Because some white people, it wouldn't fly because white, when people, historically in this country, when people identify themselves as white, it's the Klan or it's the Nazis.
01:23:57.000And I feel like good white people like yourselves have to take whiteness back.
01:24:01.000Thank you for including me in the group of good white people.
01:25:05.000But in this country, white became this invented concept, and the reason why white power is hard for people to take is because white people already got the power.
01:25:12.000When Cain Velasquez's tattoo says brown pride, it's because brown people don't feel like they've got enough power, and it's a way to invoke a feeling of power, and invoke the thing that brown people have been shit on, and I'm going to take the power back.
01:25:25.000Black power came out of black people going, we're tired of being shit on, so we're going to say black power.
01:26:23.000I have to yell out here on the edges so that in the middle people can go, okay, we're not going to do that, but let's at least talk about racism.
01:27:31.000Is there black people in a Mumford& Sons video?
01:27:33.000Could you imagine if they just started...
01:27:34.000Can I tweet them and find out, can I be a black guy in your video?
01:27:36.000If a bunch of people came to a black movie theater to see a black movie and they just started playing Mumford& Sons videos before the movie started...
01:27:44.000Black people would just patiently like...
01:27:46.000Alright, let's just wait for the movie to start it.
01:27:51.000Like, think of a movie with Denzel Washington and Morgan Freeman and just load it up with the greatest African-American stars ever in a fucking giant blockbuster, like Quentin Tarantino-style movie,
01:28:39.000It reminds me of one time I was watching...
01:28:41.000I was flipping past the channels and I flipped past the country music channel and I stopped because it was a video that was playing on the country music channel, except there was black people in it.
01:28:49.000And I was like, whoa, what's going on here?
01:28:53.000There's black people in this country video?
01:30:50.000And Denzel Washington is in these movies where, for example, he was in the Pelican Brief, and it's one of those movies where him and Julia Roberts should end up banging, and they don't.
01:31:00.000And I don't know whose decision that is, but it's like George Clooney, no matter what movie he did, it ends up at the end with him kissing the girl and then the credits rolling.
01:31:48.000I mean, he's very funny in movies, but he's not.
01:31:50.000There's clearly a thing that he's walking a path that I don't want to be caught up in a thing where he's still holding the baton of blackness in a way or another that people after him don't have to hold it.
01:32:00.000What I was talking about- You know, like, he's not going to do that movie unless that dude gets murdered by Oprah at the end.
01:32:08.000But wait a minute, he did American Gangster.
01:32:10.000And yes, and he always, that guy ends up at the end.
01:32:15.000If you notice, whenever he does the movie about the guy who's a villain, he either gets killed or he ends up at the end broken.
01:39:02.000Yeah, I skipped out on the superhero movies.
01:39:04.000Yeah, they're just not quite there yet with CGI. We were talking about this the other day with monster movies that, like, they show too much.
01:39:13.000Like, the American Werewolf in London is the perfect example.
01:39:15.000You only see that werewolf, like, brief seconds.
01:39:31.000Like the I Am Legend monsters, they looked CGI'd up.
01:39:34.000They didn't look like the 28 Days Later zombies who were people.
01:39:39.000They moved like a real thing that was really in front of you as opposed to these things that are moving like somebody created it on a computer.
01:42:57.000Yeah, I didn't know it was based on something.
01:42:59.000Yeah, that's what they're trying to do, an established property that has been a hit movie.
01:43:03.000We're going to redo it with Tyler Perry and bring his audience in and have a new franchise, but nobody bought Tyler Perry as a serious, dramatic...
01:44:00.000The things he did in movies started out as plays that he did in community centers and Probably church basements, and he'd build them up to a thing that you'd go to the Apollo and see a Tyler Perry play.
01:44:09.000Like black theater, because it's like urban black theater.
01:44:11.000Does he have a hundred year old wife too, if you know what I'm saying?
01:46:12.000Not because the idea that people being racist against a young fighter, like when you see a guy that's doing very well and has a lot of success, and then you see a lot of blowback and people criticizing him, I always wonder,
01:46:29.000like, what is it that they're criticizing?
01:46:30.000They're criticizing his personal life, his behavior, like, what is he doing that's so terrible?
01:47:28.000I saw that, and that's why I chimed in, because I was like, I felt like, oh, Joe is experiencing something that I experience all the time in these discussions.
01:47:37.000And that's why I sort of reached out like I was trying to reach and go, hey man, I know what's happening here.
01:47:42.000And I'm a white guy, so it's hilarious.
01:48:04.000They saw it on print somewhere, and then it was on the cover of a bunch of different news outlets saying, Joe Rogan attributes Jon Jones' lack of success to racism.
01:48:45.000But my thing is, I'm not worried about late night.
01:48:47.000We need to stop focusing on getting diversity in late night, and the rest of us need to do what we always do, find our own projects and create our own way.
01:48:55.000The way that this is a reaction to late night talk show, that you're like, I want to just talk.
01:49:53.000So what percentage has a hard time dealing with a dominant male athlete in a combat sport that beats the fuck out of everybody and is young and brash?
01:52:15.000So I think that's just a misconception.
01:52:17.000Yeah, I'm not saying, but it's definitely like he's, you're black, you're better than everybody, and you didn't come up the way we want you to have come up into this sport.
01:52:26.000Well, I don't see, I don't know about that, but that's where we disagree.
01:52:29.000I mean, I just, I feel like that was the thing that I, when I first heard about Jon Jones, was that there was this, the myth was created Like, you know, he learned from watching YouTube videos.
01:52:41.000And people kind of don't like when, this is the thing we talk about, like with young Cassius Clay, when somebody is so young and so much better than everybody, and then you put the black thing on top of that.
01:52:53.000He might have got that if he was white and so much better than everybody.
01:54:38.000Because we would have heard about you.
01:54:40.000The amount of pressure and just the scrutiny that he's under is just unprecedented.
01:54:45.000Yeah, and I think that MMA at this point, I feel like if I ever made sort of fuck you money or money, I would open jiu-jitsu gyms in the ghetto to train the next generation of black MMA fighters because I feel like there's guys in there who could be...
01:55:04.000Now, black guys historically have been fighters like professional boxers, but professional boxing got so corrupt that the strongest, toughest black guy now plays for the NFL. He's not a boxer.
01:55:34.000He's the guy that got famous recently because there was some crazy fuck who was on the internet who was talking all kinds of crazy shit to him, and so he met him in a boxing ring and beat the shit out of him.
01:56:54.000So, it's a recurring process that happens in that thing, whereas at least if you go to the NFL, you get a contract.
01:57:00.000You get an actual thing that we're going to pay you this much.
01:57:03.000Now, it's not guaranteed, or if you go to the NBA, you get a guaranteed contract.
01:57:06.000Or, my theory is that a lot of those dudes go, instead of going into a boxing ring and getting my brains beaten out, I'm just going to hang out with the best basketball player in town and be in his posse.
01:57:15.000It doesn't pay as much, but at least I'm not getting ripped off.
01:59:43.000And so, therefore, it leads to corruption.
01:59:45.000It leads to, like, things that happen where, why aren't these fights happening?
01:59:47.000And also, the thing with Don King, you know, he, Tyson will tell, you know, I'm sure you've probably talked to Mike Tyson before, that Don King became the biggest promoter because he was ripping everybody the fuck off.
01:59:58.000And so, there's no central authority to rule over and say, we have to clean this up.
02:00:28.000He did spend that much, but he also, I'm sure, would tell you that somebody else took millions of dollars from him that they weren't supposed to have.
02:00:59.000He's just working, I think, for the 76ers until that kicks in.
02:01:03.000And I think that Michael Jordan sort of established the modern NBA of like, you know, get a money manager and get a guy who protects your things and don't invest in stupid shit.
02:01:54.000Charlie Murphy came on my podcast and told a fucking story about Mike Tyson, about showing up at Mike Tyson's house and Mike Tyson is on the front lawn playing with a tiger.
02:02:15.000I just think that you go, why don't I just be a football player?
02:02:18.000I don't think they're looking at it in terms of this long-term thing.
02:02:22.000I think there's less people that are getting involved in boxing, first of all, because more people are getting involved in MMA. That's one thing that is definitely happening.
02:02:28.000But more black dudes aren't getting involved.
02:02:31.000I mean, maybe starting to, but that wasn't...
02:03:14.000Because not that football's not hard to do, but you could be a great football player and never have the courage to be able to step into a ring on your own in your underwear and go toe-to-toe with a guy.
02:03:53.000The culture of the sport became so corrupt that I don't think people...
02:03:56.000I see where you're coming from, but I really honestly don't think that it's coming from a point of like, okay, we've seen the future, this is where this ends up, let's not do this.
02:04:05.000No, I'm not saying the future, but I think there's a sense that if you're a kid, if you're a kid who's 6'3", 250, and you go, man, do I want to be a basketball player like LeBron James or Michael Jordan or Kobe Bryant?
02:04:19.000Or do I want to be a boxer like a Vanderhoofit?
02:06:31.000I ran into him in Vegas a few years back, and I was listening to him talk to some fans, and he was slurring his words and could barely put a sentence together, and I was like, damn, I remember when Terry Norris was the champ!
02:06:43.000Yeah, and it's weird to think about Ali, for example.
02:06:46.000The jury's out whether he got his Parkinson's-related syndrome.
02:08:22.000Boxing is one of those things where, if you look at it on...
02:08:25.000Like, if you don't have any education in boxing and you watch it on television, like, well, this guy's trying to hit this guy and the other guy's faster so he can't hit him.
02:08:34.000He's doing movements that get you to react and he's anticipating your reaction and then giving you another thing to think about and then when you react to that, you're going to step here and he's ready with an overhand right.
02:08:45.000And these things are all, in his mind, these are all foregone conclusions.
02:08:49.000But to a young guy, he's just going to use his speed.
02:08:51.000But you don't ever get a chance to use that speed.
02:09:42.000But boxing, to be taught properly, should be taught where you don't hit each other hard at all.
02:09:47.000Well, this was like a guy who had, like an ex, it was in Philadelphia, this guy was an ex-boxer, had fought Sugar Ray Leonard, like that was his big story.
02:09:56.000It lost to Sugar Ray Leonard, which is no...
02:11:37.000Like, everything they're doing, they're all fucking wailing their arms all goofy, and they're not throwing their hips, lifting their feet up when they punch, and no one's correcting them.
02:12:37.000Well, MMA has done it in a way where, like, if you organized an event, like, you call it the WFO, whatever the fuck it is, And you decided to have an event and you say, this is my WFO world champion.
02:14:41.000I enjoy this phone that was made by Chinese children, but I also think that we should probably pay them a living wage, you know?
02:14:48.000They know how to make good phones, but let's pay them a living wage.
02:14:50.000Whenever you have nets around the building where you work to keep people from jumping off the roof, because there's so many fucking people jumping off that you need nets.
02:15:02.000Do you think there's a way around that?
02:15:05.000Because that drives me nuts about not just cell phones, but about people that drive Priuses and shit and say, I'm helping the environment, I'm being socially conscious.
02:15:14.000Hey, you're also driving a fucking box filled with conflict minerals.
02:15:19.000Every fucking lithium-ion crystal in that came out of a fucking mine in the ground in Africa, and it's likely a child that might have been pulling it out.
02:15:26.000You know, somebody said to me the other day, because of my act and the way I talk about things, like, how would you identify yourself?
02:15:30.000Are you a socialist or are you a communist?
02:15:31.000I was like, no, dude, I just went to the Apple store and got me an iPod Touch.
02:15:35.000I'm a very proud, I'm maybe a reluctant capitalist, but I also like a nice house too.
02:15:43.000Like when I go to pay, when I went to go try to buy a new phone and they said it's going to be $700, if I thought that that $700 was actually going to a living wage for somebody, maybe, I don't know if I'd buy it, but I would think about it, but I know it's like you're just making up a price.
02:16:29.000Isn't there also, like, when you look at the amount of profit that Apple has made, and Apple has something like $60 billion in the fucking bank, like, how much would you have in the bank if you paid people more money to make those phones, and you made them in America, and you made less profit, but the people all made a living wage?
02:16:49.000Well, it's the same thing with Walmart.
02:16:50.000If they paid everybody like $12 an hour, they would make like $3 billion.
02:16:57.000It's not like, how much profit do you need to make?
02:16:59.000And at some point, and I get that you're allowed to set the price wherever you want.
02:17:02.000I feel like I'm talking to my dad in my head right now.
02:17:05.000But we all have to agree we live in a society that we're not individuals living on our little islands, but I think corporations treat it like we are all our own little country.
02:17:16.000Well, there's a reason why there's something like a minimum wage and that we all kind of agree there should be some minimum wage is because corporations have no fucking soul.
02:18:08.000There's no good union jobs, and there's not a lot of good union jobs where you can work at the GM factory for 25 years and retire with a gold watch.
02:18:32.000If you're putting in full-time work, you should be able to afford to...
02:18:35.000You should be able to eat, and you should be able to sleep somewhere.
02:18:37.000And the government should want you to be able to actually not just live for yourself, but also be married and afford to have a few kids, because that all feeds the economy.
02:20:29.000Deep conversations with these people, like back and forth for a long time, but I know zero about economics.
02:20:35.000And so when I've said, hey, I just think that people should be able to live on the amount of money that they make during the week, and people come up with all these reasons why that's bullshit, and all these reasons why that's bad for business, and all these reasons, and I eventually, in the conversation, I get to, how much do you make?
02:20:55.000No, none of them run bucking businesses.
02:20:57.000They all have this idea in their head that America is filled with people, and I've read this quote somewhere, I forget who to attribute it to, that think that they are about to become a millionaire, and they want to make sure that there's no laws in place, they're going to fuck them over once they become a millionaire.
02:21:14.000No, it's the reason why people vote against their own personal interests, because I'm going to vote with the, and I'm not trying to But I'm going to vote with the Republican Party because they don't want taxes.
02:21:26.000And one day I'm going to be rich and I'm not going to want taxes.
02:21:28.000Even though it's like, well right now some taxes might help you.
02:21:43.000Because people think that, everybody thinks they're one, not everybody, but a lot of people think they're one lottery ticket away from being in the 1%.
02:21:53.000But it's weird how the Republican Party is a party that supports big business unequivocally, yet they're more supported by lower income conservative people.
02:22:06.000It's the reason why people who don't live in New York like the Yankees, because they feel like they're the best.
02:24:04.000Well, they also think that T-Rex might have been, like, vulture-shaped or vulture-colored, like, bright red-faced and black-bodied because they think that he might have been, like, intimidating because they think he was more of a...
02:27:43.000That's a weird thing, a comforting thing that I like about a lot of these internet-based, tech-based businesses.
02:27:48.000They seem to be very ethical and moral.
02:27:51.000Like, they seem to have a connect, like Google especially, Google and a lot of these companies, they're way more open and way more intelligent about their approach to ethics and morals than a lot of, like, other corporations.
02:28:05.000Yeah, but I think it's probably like if, you know, I don't know, if Walmart is way over here is not ethical, moral, some people would say that Facebook is here.
02:28:14.000They wouldn't say it's like all the way up to the other side.
02:28:23.000Yeah, and they sell it and you're like, how does this make money if I'm not paying for it?
02:28:27.000How's the weird thing when you go to Google search something and it shows you all sorts of other shit that you might be interested in on the right-hand side?
02:30:38.000And in some ways you're saying, yeah, people say we're giving up privacy, but people are willing to give up privacy if it comes with a coupon and some free stuff.
02:31:08.000You download Candy Crush to your phone and you think, I'm just playing a fun game for free.
02:31:12.000And it's like, no, it knows where you are now.
02:31:14.000But the real problem is that we didn't know that the government was able to read your emails anytime they won.
02:31:19.000These workers could just download your dick pics, send them off to each other.
02:31:24.000If Edward Snowden is telling the truth, obviously I don't know, but he said that there's people in his office that were downloading emails from ex-girlfriends and shit and sharing photos and stuff.
02:31:34.000I feel like you say people didn't know that, and I feel like every black barbershop around the country has been talking about that shit for years.
02:31:41.000Black people have always been like, the CIA invented crack.
02:32:00.000Because the truther community goes, there was no slavery, okay, alright guys.
02:32:04.000I had a CIA guy in here, former CIA director of operations, whatever the fuck he was.
02:32:09.000Really nice guy, but I played him, this guy Michael Rupert, talking about how they were selling drugs.
02:32:14.000He was a former LA narcotics officer who...
02:32:18.000He literally caught the CIA selling drugs in black communities, and was addressing the director of the CIA at the time, who got fired right after this, and I played it for him on the podcast, just watching him try to...
02:33:05.000Yeah, you can't, you know, I mean, every now and again, there's a Rick Freeway Ross, but there's not, that's, that was the guy that I had on the podcast.
02:33:14.000And one of the times that I had him on was he discussed how he got into a connection with this guy who was directly sending the profits to the fucking Contras.
02:33:22.000I mean, the whole Contras and Sandinistas thing in Nicaragua, which was the Oliver North scandal that was on television, was all out of Freeway Ricky selling the coke.
02:33:47.000I mean, he taught himself how to read in jail once he was arrested for that, and then found a loophole in the argument that got him arrested for three strikes, because it's supposed to be three different charges.
02:33:58.000And he got two different charges was one time he was arrested.
02:34:53.000Yeah, no, and I feel like, again, as a person who sat in a lot of black barbershops in the basement of churches, I'm like, yeah, you don't get to tell me.
02:35:00.000I don't believe in a lot of conspiracy theories, but to me that doesn't feel like a conspiracy theory.
02:35:06.000That feels like, well, of course, how else would you get cocaine and crack in the ghetto unless somebody was greasing the palms to make that happen and that person worked and that was the government.
02:35:14.000Well, not only that, if I was sitting around the government and I was sitting around with a bunch of...
02:35:18.000Military industrial complex leaders and everyone's you know going over how to make money you go um You guys aware how much coke is getting sold in this country?
02:35:36.000Yeah, we should probably make the money Yeah, not gonna stop coke But I feel like, I don't know if they even have the we're not going to stop at conversation.
02:35:44.000I feel like it's like a new stock thing.
02:35:45.000Hey, Coke's making a lot of money, let's invest in that.
02:35:47.000I don't feel like it gets to the, hey, we can't stop the people from, you know, I don't think it's that godfather discussion where like, they're animals anyway, let them destroy themselves.
02:35:55.000I think it's like, oh, that's making a lot of money.
02:38:02.000So, Oakland, like a lot of cities that are thought of to be black cities, are over-policed and underserved, you know, because people...
02:38:09.000To me, it's a structural institutional racism problem.
02:38:14.000For example, and we can talk about it or not talk about it, but so that if a guy walks down the middle of the street saying, like sort of being a teenager who's a loud guy walking down the street...
02:38:25.000A white teenager might get told, get the fuck out of the street.
02:38:28.000And the guy goes, I'm not getting out of the street.
02:38:29.000Dude, grab him, put him on the corner.
02:39:21.000And that's why people, you know, when you want to have the reparations discussion, it's like, you know how we got a lot of cheap labor in this country.
02:39:28.000Like, you know, how do we get to be the richest country in the world for a while?
02:39:31.000Because we had a 400-year head start on the labor.
02:39:34.000Like, people weren't being paid to build this country.
02:39:37.000I think that when the cornerstone of this country is founded on racism and the people who police the country are trying to protect the country's reputation and name, that means a lot of times they use racism as a part of how they police the country.
02:39:50.000How can you ever fix a scenario where the entire culture was established with slave labor?
02:39:57.000If a giant percentage of what made America what it is was established because of slave labor, how does that get fixed?
02:40:04.000Like, how does that ever balance it out?
02:40:07.000Does it just come naturally over a course of a long period of time?
02:40:11.000No, it definitely doesn't come naturally.
02:40:11.000Does it have to be socially engineered?
02:40:14.000Something has to jumpstart the process.
02:40:16.000I think that you can't say affirmative action in this country without saying people go, oh, then a white man won't have a job!
02:40:23.000But actually, you have to jumpstart the process.
02:40:27.000For me, I literally said this earlier.
02:40:31.000If every black person in this country was given therapy, because I feel like being black in America, you have a mild form of PTSD or a severe form of PTSD, depending upon where you live.
02:40:40.000And you guaranteed that the schools in the inner city were good.
02:41:39.000No, I think that the only hope that we have of that is that You know, there's a...
02:41:45.000Professional sports, I look at that, like, the money that is being made in professional sports, like, there are some of these guys, a lot of these guys are going to go broke, but in a hundred years, we'll be dealing with the Jordan Foundation the way we're dealing with the Rockefellers, you know what I'm saying?
02:41:57.000Well, Magic Johnson did a lot of that.
02:41:58.000Magic Johnson, that at some point, I hope that some of these people who have this, like, fuck you money, can actually figure out a way to pour it back in, but they can't necessarily...
02:42:06.000Like, charter schools, like, Jalen Rose has a charter school...
02:42:09.000Specifically in Detroit to go, I need to help jumpstart this situation myself.
02:42:13.000But it's hard to rely on individuals to do that.
02:42:16.000And until America goes, it's in our best interest to make poor neighborhoods better and easier.
02:42:22.000And I'm not just talking about black, just in general.
02:42:30.000You know, we have this one president, Barack is pretty good and pretty liberal, but we don't know what the next one's going to look like, and then the next one's going to look like, until the country sort of as a whole goes, you know, that we get to that tipping point where we need to, we should, all the schools should be good.
02:43:15.000I think they should have community centers, and any poor neighborhood should have a place where kids can escape that's really well-staffed with people that are excellent counselors, people that are teaching sports and martial arts, and places where kids can work on their studying,
02:43:30.000they can have computers to use to access books and all kinds of other shit, so that they have a place where they can get in away from the crime.
02:43:38.000And just that alone will stop a lot of fucking crime.
02:43:40.000And it'll give kids a place where they have a home away from home.
02:44:39.000That people don't take it, they don't take it seriously.
02:44:41.000And I think that that's the, until people go, oh, if stronger communities lead to a stronger America, there should be things, like you said, there should be things that are just taken for granted.
02:44:49.000And you know how they're going to do that?
02:45:21.000Not only that, they're arresting people that are using these federal parks, like they're smoking weed in states where it's legal, but they go to the park and they spark up a joint in a state park and then the federal government comes in and arrests them.
02:45:33.000Even though Barack Obama, I think, has been pretty clear about they're not trying to prosecute.
02:45:37.000The President of the United States says, we're not trying to go after these things.
02:45:40.000Well, he has been pretty clear about that.
02:45:43.000However, his administration in the DEA has prosecuted a lot of fucking people in states where medical marijuana is legal.
02:45:51.000The other thing they do, which is really cute, is they arrest people, they take all their weed, they take all their money, and then they say the case is pending.
02:46:00.000They don't do anything about it, but they stole $500,000 from them and a million dollars worth of weed, and they're just sitting there waiting to find out whether or not you're going to go to jail.
02:46:30.000For me, the thing that actually caused it over and over again was every time there was Troy Davis, the guy who was on death row in Texas, who people were like, the evidence says that he didn't do it.
02:46:40.000I remember on Twitter, people were like, say something, Barack, say something.
02:46:43.000And people were like, well, it's not his jurisdiction.
02:46:45.000Every time there's an issue that falls squarely on the head of black people in this country, and Barack sort of tippy-toes around it or doesn't address it head-on soon enough, I feel like he, that's why we elected a black president.
02:46:56.000That's why black people went out to vote, is because we wanted somebody who had our back.
02:47:00.000And every time he doesn't, and he can't fix problems, I don't expect him to fix things, but when it takes him four days to talk about Ferguson, and as he says, he didn't want to say anything too quickly, or he didn't want to say, because he didn't want to be seen as putting his thumb on the scale of justice, I'm like, oh dude, that's why I elected you.
02:47:14.000I wanted your thumb on the scale of justice.
02:47:17.000And that's because, again, we need to jumpstart the system.
02:47:19.000And so for me, the stuff like that with the sort of the...
02:47:24.000And again, yes, if he talks about Trayvon Martin, people go, but I'm going, yeah, well, that's the job.
02:47:30.000The job is to get yelled at sometimes.
02:47:31.000The job is to have a hard week because you take a good stance.
02:47:34.000If you take a stance anyway, you're going to get yelled at.
02:47:45.000Whoever side he sided on, you're going to face an assault of opinion.
02:47:50.000But my contention is that black people rallied around a black president because they're like, we need...
02:47:55.000You know, born-again Christians had a voice in the White House with George W. Bush, and George W. Bush did not hide his born-again Christian-ness.
02:50:04.000You know, it's, like I said, getting out of New York and, like, sort of the haze has been lifted and the storm has passed over and I feel like, oh, I've just gotten back into stand-up again.
02:50:13.000I'm like, oh, it's the guy I remember that I was.
02:50:15.000Okay, yeah, but I'm a little bit wiser.