The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #582 - David Seaman

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00:08:49.000 My guest today is David Seaman.

00:08:52.000 You might know him as a former guest of this podcast.

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00:09:17.000 Oh.

00:09:18.000 Oh, it's raining in LA.

00:09:22.000 We don't know what to do.

00:09:24.000 Everyone's panicking.

00:09:26.000 It's all wet.

00:09:28.000 What do I do?

00:09:29.000 I'm suddenly faced with adversity.

00:09:32.000 And my Botox is running out, so my head is actually able to squint.

00:09:36.000 Just order an Uber before the rain hits you.

00:09:38.000 You'll be okay.

00:09:38.000 Then you just watch somebody else freak out and you think about, like, you start thinking, how much has this guy been screened?

00:09:44.000 You know, was I supposed to be getting picked up by a Lyft driver and the Uber driver intercepted the signal?

00:09:50.000 Or did Uber, you know about all that shit?

00:09:53.000 Where Uber employees were calling.

00:09:55.000 Apparently it was like one guy was doing it.

00:09:57.000 Like one guy was like pushing it.

00:10:00.000 They were calling like Uber rides or Uber was calling Lyft rides and then like just canceling the gig.

00:10:08.000 So just fucking up their business.

00:10:08.000 Really?

00:10:10.000 Just fucking up their business.

00:10:11.000 prank calls, like fake orders for cars and shit. 0.59

00:10:15.000 Which is really...

00:10:20.000 That makes you not want to use a company when you hear shit like that.

00:10:22.000 Maybe that's what it takes, though.

00:10:23.000 Somebody took the Glenn Gary, Glenn Ross first scene to heart.

00:10:26.000 It's just doing that at every level of Uber.

00:10:29.000 Yeah, you want coffee?

00:10:30.000 You got to be a fucking closer.

00:10:32.000 Coffee's for closers.

00:10:35.000 I just wish, I mean, it seems like Uber was doing so well.

00:10:38.000 Like, I just wish there would be a company like that that would turn out to be super cool.

00:10:43.000 You know, I always wish that about every company that I like.

00:10:45.000 You know, like, oh, wouldn't it be nice if they're super cool?

00:10:47.000 Yeah, like secretly all of Walmart's money was going to some kind of charity instead of just the...

00:10:55.000 And I don't mean that in a good way or a bad way.

00:10:57.000 I mean, just like whenever you have a big, giant thing, you have a problem on both sides.

00:11:01.000 You know, like, one problem is people go, well, you know, Walmart comes into town and it kills all the small businesses.

00:11:07.000 I'm like, are we really that gross that like saving a dollar here and five cents there is worth us going to some giant box where some people are in it that we don't know?

00:11:19.000 Or are we going to go to our local place where we have like a relationship with the people that own it?

00:11:23.000 It's like this small connection.

00:11:25.000 Like you're directly connected to these people's lives.

00:11:28.000 I think the issue, at least where I fuck up as a consumer, is you drive by and let's say you need a new tire for your car and you don't really care about your car that much.

00:11:36.000 It's like a Corolla or whatever.

00:11:38.000 That has the cheapest tires in town.

00:11:41.000 So like ideologically, I don't really care who my tire replacement person is or their well-being or their quality of life.

00:11:47.000 I just want the cheapest tire.

00:11:49.000 See, I don't.

00:11:50.000 So I get that.

00:11:51.000 And then it spills over into other areas of your life where you're like, well, I want healthy groceries, but what if Walmart can give me the cheapest fucking lettuce?

00:11:58.000 Then maybe I just don't care.

00:12:00.000 And a lot of people, I think, eventually just buy everything that way.

00:12:04.000 Well, it can definitely go that way.

00:12:04.000 Right.

00:12:04.000 Yeah.

00:12:07.000 I mean, if you're a smart consumer, if that's all you're worried about, you know, if you're just worried about numbers.

00:12:11.000 But I think that there's companies you just don't have a relationship with.

00:12:15.000 You don't feel bad about them.

00:12:17.000 Like, well, I don't have a relationship with Whole Foods.

00:12:19.000 I don't know them.

00:12:20.000 You know, I go there.

00:12:21.000 The folks are all nice that work there, but I know they're just working there.

00:12:24.000 You know, the guys where you get the kale salad from, super cool.

00:12:27.000 Say hi to them.

00:12:28.000 You know, say hi to the butcher.

00:12:29.000 Chit-chat with the people at the cash register.

00:12:32.000 Like, yeah, everybody's friendly, but I know that they're employees.

00:12:35.000 Like, I don't feel connected to giving them my money.

00:12:35.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:12:38.000 But, like, there's this restaurant that I go to all the time, and the folks that own it, they've owned it for like 30 years, and they're just the nicest, friendliest people.

00:12:47.000 They're just really cool to talk to.

00:12:49.000 Like, every time I talk to him, like, the guy's from Greece, and he's always telling me about like the difference between the way, you know, people behave there and behave here.

00:12:57.000 And just, I get into these cool conversations with him.

00:12:59.000 He's a very bright And well-read guy, and just an interesting guy.

00:13:02.000 So I love going there and giving them my money.

00:13:05.000 But if I go to like Appleby's, I don't fucking know anybody at Appleby's.

00:13:07.000 Yeah, the 16-year-old hostess. 1.00

00:13:09.000 She's not going to be there next week.

00:13:10.000 It'll be somebody else.

00:13:11.000 Yeah, I mean, I'll be friendly to them for sure.

00:13:14.000 You know, it's nice if you get the same waitress again.

00:13:16.000 Oh, hey, how are you doing?

00:13:17.000 Yeah, there's no culture there, though.

00:13:18.000 It's just a corporation.

00:13:20.000 Well, that's what we miss in losing those little small businesses.

00:13:26.000 But for a small business owner, man, it's a fucking grind.

00:13:29.000 It's hard to do.

00:13:30.000 I mean, you have to really be selling something that somebody wants.

00:13:34.000 Like, there's a fucking Starbucks down the street here, and next to the Starbucks, there's a shoe dealer.

00:13:40.000 Like, not a shoe dealer, a shoe repairman.

00:13:44.000 I'm like, dude, like, how many fucking people are getting their shoes repaired?

00:13:48.000 Maybe there's some like death of a salesman type still out there.

00:13:51.000 Need to get their shoes polished before an interview?

00:13:53.000 I mean, I guess if you have enough people in an area, there's going to be enough people where heels are falling off.

00:13:59.000 I mean, maybe I'm naive, but every time I go by that place, there's fucking nobody in it.

00:14:03.000 I'm like, who the hell's getting their shoes fixed?

00:14:05.000 I would dress up like Jay Gatsby one day and just go in there.

00:14:09.000 Pull up in that big yellow convertible that he had that Leonardo DiCaprio had.

00:14:14.000 I was super torn on that movie, man.

00:14:17.000 I was torn on it in two ways.

00:14:18.000 Like, one, it was, like, so surreal.

00:14:22.000 Everything was so crazy, like, the way it was filmed.

00:14:24.000 It was so obvious, like, you were watching a dream or something, you know.

00:14:27.000 It was the special effects.

00:14:29.000 Like, when they were at the party and the glitter was flying and everybody's dancing.

00:14:32.000 It's so over the top.

00:14:34.000 The way he was driving, it was so over the top.

00:14:36.000 It was almost hard to accept it as like a real story.

00:14:40.000 Like, watching a story about real humans.

00:14:43.000 I think that goes back to the book itself.

00:14:45.000 Like, I remember liking it a lot in high school and college and thinking, like, this is what life was like back in the day in New York.

00:14:51.000 And then you get older and you're like, that's not life at all.

00:14:53.000 That's just some frivolous bullshit that somebody thought up that was like a, you know, romance, a romance narrative within the 1920s.

00:15:03.000 And it has no application in modern life at all.

00:15:05.000 It's just a fucking fantasy.

00:15:07.000 It's a sad ending.

00:15:09.000 Well, there is something, I'm sure, much more then than there is now, to someone who has a completely fabricated existence.

00:15:16.000 There's something that we all think is amazing about that.

00:15:18.000 Like someone who could just fabricate their life.

00:15:21.000 And like, how long can they pull it off?

00:15:22.000 Like, it's a great plot engine.

00:15:25.000 Which he's good at.

00:15:26.000 DiCaprio is like the master of being the...

00:15:31.000 Where he's the con artist, kind of?

00:15:32.000 Wolf of Wall Street or the...

00:15:35.000 And then I'm thinking of Catch Me If You Can.

00:15:38.000 Oh, that's right.

00:15:39.000 I didn't really remember that one.

00:15:41.000 He's a bad motherfucker.

00:15:42.000 I mean, he doesn't get as much credit because he's beautiful.

00:15:45.000 And he's, you know what I'm saying?

00:15:47.000 He's beautiful and he's kind of a pussy. 1.00

00:15:50.000 That's always the case for us.

00:15:51.000 Yeah.

00:15:52.000 Well, him especially.

00:15:53.000 I mean, I think he's one of the greatest actors ever.

00:15:56.000 But like, he's such a beautiful man.

00:15:58.000 And he's obviously so privileged.

00:16:01.000 People look at him like, this fucking guy is a pretty good actor.

00:16:05.000 Listen, if that guy was ugly, he would be saluted.

00:16:08.000 He would be, I mean, forget what Steve Bascemi gets.

00:16:11.000 You kind of love Steve Bascemi gets?

00:16:12.000 He would get that times a thousand.

00:16:14.000 Yeah.

00:16:15.000 If he was ugly.

00:16:16.000 If he looked like Steve Bascemi, goddamn.

00:16:19.000 And our capital would be the toast of the town.

00:16:21.000 He needs a couple scars.

00:16:23.000 No, he's too pretty.

00:16:24.000 Even if he gets a couple scars, people are like, good.

00:16:28.000 You know, they're like, he's lived his life a beautiful, wealthy, super talented actor.

00:16:32.000 That's too much for some people.

00:16:34.000 You know, I know people who don't take him seriously.

00:16:36.000 Like, I've had conversations with, you know, quote-unquote actor folks who are really brutal, man.

00:16:42.000 Really brutal.

00:16:43.000 I was watching the beginning of a movie, a really good movie, with this friend of mine.

00:16:50.000 And this actor walks by and goes, man, his career really fell off after this movie.

00:16:56.000 Talking about, it was Jurassic Park, the first one.

00:17:00.000 And there's the dude who he was in Event Horizon, Sam.

00:17:08.000 Sam Neil.

00:17:08.000 Neil.

00:17:09.000 Exactly.

00:17:10.000 And the dude's like, oh, his career really fell off after this movie.

00:17:14.000 Shut the fuck up and just watch the movie. 0.97

00:17:16.000 Jesus Christ.

00:17:17.000 Does it have to be about that?

00:17:19.000 But even real actory actor types who just like praise performances, you know.

00:17:25.000 You know, oh my God, Jeff Goldblum was amazing in that film.

00:17:28.000 He's quirky looking enough.

00:17:29.000 You allow him to be amazing in a film.

00:17:31.000 But Leonardo Caprio, goddamn beautiful man.

00:17:35.000 Perfect bone structure.

00:17:36.000 Just handsome as fuck.

00:17:37.000 Beautiful hair.

00:17:38.000 The perfect villain in Django.

00:17:41.000 Oh! 0.60

00:17:41.000 Well, that's when you get to see his range. 0.60

00:17:43.000 How good he really is.

00:17:44.000 Wait, when he flips a switch and goes evil towards the end of the movie, you're like, yo.

00:17:48.000 Like you buy it.

00:17:50.000 Like, he's not like there's, Like, if somebody was screaming and yelling at you like that, you know, you fake fuck.

00:18:00.000 You're not even angry.

00:18:01.000 What kind of shit is this?

00:18:02.000 I'm going to smack you.

00:18:04.000 But when he's screaming and yelling in that movie, you're like, oh, we're at DEF CON 9 here.

00:18:09.000 We're about to get nuclear.

00:18:10.000 Like, shit, someone's going to get shot.

00:18:12.000 Like, this is like a death run.

00:18:14.000 Like, something horrible is going to happen at the end of this conversation.

00:18:18.000 Like, you got that from him the Wolf of Wall Street, too, when he's gacked out of his mind.

00:18:22.000 Yeah.

00:18:23.000 There's like, you really believe that he could go off the rails and fucking set off a suitcase nuke or something stupid.

00:18:30.000 He's gone.

00:18:30.000 You know?

00:18:33.000 But too beautiful.

00:18:34.000 Too beautiful for Hollywood.

00:18:38.000 Django, they made him look fucked up, though. 1.00

00:18:38.000 Definitely. 1.00

00:18:41.000 His teeth.

00:18:42.000 Yeah, they did a good job.

00:18:43.000 That's what people looked like back then.

00:18:44.000 They didn't have fucking caps.

00:18:46.000 Yeah, and they smoked from a pipe all day.

00:18:49.000 I know a dude who got, he got, I guess they're veneers.

00:18:53.000 got teeth put on over his teeth.

00:18:57.000 He fucking yelled at his teeth.

00:18:58.000 Yeah, made him look ugly.

00:18:59.000 Nobody had pretty teeth back then, man.

00:19:01.000 But he turned psycho towards the end, right?

00:19:06.000 What was I saying?

00:19:07.000 Oh, I know this dude who, you know, they have those veneer things, and they make it look like you're wearing a mouthpiece.

00:19:13.000 Like, it makes your lips stick out more.

00:19:15.000 Like, this guy's fucking lips stick out more now.

00:19:17.000 It's like he's wearing a very thin mouthpiece.

00:19:21.000 What if he doesn't wear it?

00:19:22.000 Is it just yellow teeth?

00:19:23.000 He can't not wear it.

00:19:24.000 They chip away your teeth.

00:19:26.000 They chip away the surface of your teeth, and they put this new surface all over your teeth.

00:19:30.000 Oh, it's permanent, okay.

00:19:31.000 And it's like a veneer.

00:19:31.000 Yeah.

00:19:33.000 It's like this wood.

00:19:35.000 If you took a really thin slice of this wood and put it over some plastic bullshit and pretended it was oak.

00:19:41.000 So that's what they're doing.

00:19:42.000 They have this perfect white ceramic thing.

00:19:46.000 I guess it's like a ceramic or so maybe it may be some like some plastic veneer, right?

00:19:55.000 Yeah, but what is it made out of though?

00:19:57.000 It's like billiard ball type shit.

00:19:59.000 Phenolic.

00:20:00.000 Fuck up how you talk when you get it done.

00:20:02.000 Well this guy it did.

00:20:03.000 This guy's are too big.

00:20:05.000 I mean I don't know what's going on.

00:20:07.000 I mean if he just decided to get bigger teeth or something like that.

00:20:09.000 But I'm looking at him talking and it's like he's wearing like a little bit of a mouthpiece.

00:20:14.000 I've been on this weird kick lately where I'm fascinated by people altering their image like radically.

00:20:21.000 I got onto it with Renee Zellwiger.

00:20:23.000 Like I saw that Renee Zellwiger thing. 0.85

00:20:25.000 That is like the textbook case of somebody changing.

00:20:30.000 Yeah, that is and Jennifer Gray. 0.51

00:20:32.000 No, not Jennifer Gray.

00:20:33.000 Is that her from Dirty Dancing? 1.00

00:20:35.000 What was her name?

00:20:37.000 Is that right?

00:20:37.000 Jennifer Gray.

00:20:38.000 She was really pretty, but she had a big nose. 1.00

00:20:40.000 Then she got her nose fixed. 0.97

00:20:42.000 And now she never works.

00:20:43.000 Is it Jennifer Gray?

00:20:44.000 Yeah, she was really pretty, but she, you know, she had a Jewish-looking nose. 1.00

00:20:47.000 That European hump thing going on, which is just character, you know? 1.00

00:20:53.000 Whatever, right?

00:20:53.000 For sure.

00:20:54.000 Plus, it disappears if you're looking dead on at anything.

00:20:58.000 Well, she was cute, and then she became, I guess, you know, she likes it better, but she's a different person, that's for sure.

00:20:58.000 Yeah.

00:21:06.000 So anyway, I got on this kick lately where I started looking at all these different procedures that people have done.

00:21:13.000 And I watched a nose job yesterday.

00:21:17.000 Somebody sent me a nose job on Twitter of this woman getting her nose fixed. 1.00

00:21:22.000 I tweeted it.

00:21:23.000 You can see it on my Twitter page.

00:21:24.000 But it's a long video of the entire process.

00:21:28.000 It's sped up a bit, but holy shit.

00:21:32.000 Is it brutal?

00:21:33.000 Like, Ice picked the nose?

00:21:34.000 Well, you know, I had my nose cleaned out.

00:21:37.000 Like, I had my nose deviated septum repaired.

00:21:39.000 I had a smashed septum, and it was blocking off most of my ability to breathe out of my nostrils.

00:21:46.000 But this was way more involved because they had to actually chip away her bone. 1.00

00:21:51.000 They peeled her nose back like a banana and then chipped away the bone to make the nose smaller and then put it all together again. 0.99

00:21:58.000 Isn't it amazing the lengths people go to to do something that nobody cares about anyway?

00:22:02.000 Well, some people do care though.

00:22:05.000 See, that's the thing.

00:22:06.000 You know, you can't say that some people don't look better once you fix their fucked up nose.

00:22:11.000 Well, Renee Zellweger, nobody would have cared if she had just aged and looked somewhat like she used to look.

00:22:17.000 Not that you don't have the right to change your appearance, but it was just that sudden shock that kind of surprised people.

00:22:24.000 Well, imagine this, okay?

00:22:25.000 You, you're a young man and you make your living off of your mind.

00:22:30.000 Okay, you make your living off of your commentary, your ability to notice things, podcasting, things along those lines.

00:22:38.000 You know, I'm much older than you.

00:22:40.000 I'm 47 years old.

00:22:41.000 But my brain doesn't work any differently than when I was young.

00:22:45.000 My body is slowly but surely starting to work less good.

00:22:49.000 Like I get injured more easily, and I still work out pretty hard.

00:22:53.000 But when I get injured, like I fucked my elbow up a couple months ago and this bitch just won't get better. 1.00

00:22:58.000 You know what I mean?

00:22:58.000 So those kind of things.

00:22:59.000 But I'm not a professional athlete.

00:23:02.000 If I was, I would be freaking out.

00:23:05.000 If I was, I'd be freaking out.

00:23:06.000 If I was a profession, I'm a professional talker.

00:23:09.000 If my brain started to slowly slow down and my brain started not being able to form sentences or not being able to recognize objective behavior problems or confusion of what the topic is I'm discussing.

00:23:25.000 If those types of things started happening on a regular basis, and someone came along and said, "Hey, we can give you this drug.

00:23:30.000 You know, it's gonna make you..." It's like you're getting old.

00:23:35.000 We're going to shoot your forehead up with botulism and it's going to freeze the whole thing. 0.97

00:23:41.000 So you can't frown and it'll relax it.

00:23:44.000 It'll make you look a little better.

00:23:45.000 You're like, okay, okay.

00:23:46.000 And then everybody's like, what's wrong with your fucking forehead?

00:23:49.000 But to her, she's like, my forehead's not liny anymore. 0.95

00:23:52.000 Yeah, the acting career has been extended.

00:23:54.000 Maybe, but maybe people are just going to get weirded out by you.

00:23:57.000 You know?

00:23:58.000 Did you see that Duchess who's worth some ungodly amount of money? 1.00

00:24:03.000 But she's had like insane amounts of plastic surgery. 1.00

00:24:06.000 And she's just taken ill.

00:24:10.000 I bet if you pull up Duchess plastic surgery disaster, you see her. 0.87

00:24:14.000 But this poor lady, when she was young, she was very pretty. 0.78

00:24:18.000 And obviously that meant a lot to her.

00:24:19.000 It was a big part of who she was.

00:24:21.000 Not just a part of who she was, but like most of her world, probably.

00:24:25.000 You know, for a lot of beautiful women, it's like you're born with the greatest lottery ticket ever. 0.98

00:24:31.000 Like everywhere you go, people are just tripping on themselves to get to you, to be nice to you, to get close to you, to give you things.

00:24:38.000 And it's really just because of the dimensions of your face and your body.

00:24:42.000 It's incredible.

00:24:43.000 And you have to be quite a piece of shit to fuck that up.

00:24:47.000 Like, to get it so that men don't want to talk to you, even though you're perfectly designed, you have to be like really annoying.

00:24:55.000 You know, you have to be like really mean or really selfish where guys are like, I don't care how hot she is. 1.00

00:25:00.000 I'm out of here.

00:25:01.000 You know, most, there's almost always going to be a suitor.

00:25:04.000 That's a good picture of her, by the way.

00:25:07.000 And I'm not kidding.

00:25:08.000 There's a before and after of her that's really quite brutal.

00:25:14.000 Yeah, that's what she used to look like. 0.99

00:25:16.000 But that's like how she was getting older.

00:25:18.000 That's before she really hit it hard.

00:25:20.000 Just go ahead and find it.

00:25:22.000 But where was I?

00:25:26.000 The brain's falling apart the job.

00:25:27.000 She's got money, but she's unhappy. 1.00

00:25:29.000 Well, we were talking about good looks, about how valuable that is.

00:25:33.000 It's a massive thing.

00:25:34.000 So imagine if you're a woman and your entire self-worth is derived off your looks, which is possible. 1.00

00:25:43.000 It sounds sad.

00:25:44.000 People are like, well, what a sexist fucking thing is that to say, man.

00:25:47.000 Women don't think like that. 1.00

00:25:49.000 Listen, let's be realistic.

00:25:51.000 Men think like that.

00:25:52.000 There's some men that think like that.

00:25:53.000 There she is.

00:25:55.000 There's some men that think like that.

00:25:56.000 And there's some women that think like that. 1.00

00:25:57.000 Looking good.

00:25:58.000 Yeah, there's some people that are fucking beautiful.

00:26:00.000 And those people, they do have that Willy Wonka golden ticket.

00:26:03.000 And a lot of times, it's just being born that way.

00:26:05.000 It's just to roll the dice.

00:26:07.000 So if you got that lottery ticket and you're watching it slip away, for some people, that's a very, very, very tough pill to swallow.

00:26:13.000 They got to read some Alan Watts.

00:26:15.000 See that it's slipping away for everybody.

00:26:16.000 And we're all kind of a continuous thing.

00:26:19.000 Yeah, but then they see these young girls, this 20-year-old girl laughing and giggling like, you bitch. 1.00

00:26:24.000 They're just angry, you know?

00:26:26.000 Do you think there's more envy between women than there is between men?

00:26:28.000 Because guys don't have a lot of...

00:26:36.000 I don't know, but this is what I definitely think.

00:26:38.000 I definitely think there's zero value in wondering who's got it worse.

00:26:43.000 Men or women.

00:26:45.000 Do you think it's worse for a man to feel jealous or a woman to feel jealous?

00:26:50.000 I think it's definitely not worth worrying about who's got it worse in that situation.

00:26:55.000 I think the men-woman thing is way safer to be a guy in some respects. 0.77

00:27:01.000 You don't have to worry about women, but you still have to worry about men.

00:27:04.000 But other than that, there's benefits to both sides, clearly.

00:27:09.000 It's really entirely who you are and how you look at it.

00:27:12.000 There's women who you talk to them. 1.00

00:27:14.000 The last thing they would ever want to do is be a fucking man.

00:27:17.000 Like, are you kidding?

00:27:19.000 You guys are morons.

00:27:20.000 I want to be one of these apes just running around trying to stick my tube steak into people and shoot goo all the time. 1.00

00:27:27.000 And I'm lying to them constantly to try to get to that position.

00:27:30.000 Please.

00:27:31.000 I'm lying to myself about who I am to appeal more sexually attractive.

00:27:35.000 DC New Jersey is considering a bill that would make it or it would make it sexual assault.

00:27:42.000 Yeah, a form of sexual assault to lie about how much money you make.

00:27:45.000 Yes.

00:27:45.000 Which is really interesting.

00:27:46.000 But not just lie about money.

00:27:48.000 Lie about anything.

00:27:49.000 Oh, okay.

00:27:49.000 Yeah, the idea is that using deception in order to get sex, that you're a liar and you've frauded someone.

00:27:56.000 But, man, okay, so then if that's the case, then we're making sex like a value.

00:28:04.000 We're making sex like... 0.96

00:28:13.000 Because if that's the case, then is it a felony or whatever the fuck type of charge they're calling it?

00:28:18.000 What kind of charge are they calling it?

00:28:20.000 What level of offense?

00:28:21.000 Whatever level of offense is.

00:28:23.000 Why is it not a felony or a crime of a similar order if I decide to lie to you to become your friend?

00:28:31.000 Right.

00:28:31.000 And make you give me a massage.

00:28:34.000 No, right?

00:28:35.000 No, then it's not.

00:28:36.000 Because then, you know, you weren't sexually assaulted.

00:28:38.000 It's like the idea of sex and the idea this person was absolutely willing to have sex with that person, but only because that person didn't exactly tell the truth.

00:28:49.000 Well, if you get friends with someone and have them stay over your house and here, man, borrow my car.

00:28:55.000 Because you think the guy has a lot of money.

00:28:56.000 It turns out he's totally fucking broke and a con artist.

00:29:00.000 Is that a felony?

00:29:01.000 I bet it's not.

00:29:02.000 I bet if he goes to court and your honor, the guy let me borrow his car.

00:29:06.000 Did you, Mr. Seaman, let him borrow your car?

00:29:08.000 I thought he was a Duke of fucking Duchess of whatever.

00:29:12.000 You know, yeah, I let him borrow my car.

00:29:14.000 Well, you should have checked on that.

00:29:16.000 Case dismissed.

00:29:17.000 Yeah.

00:29:17.000 But if you get fucked, if you let that guy fuck your face, then people are going to go, hey, you got rape, son.

00:29:26.000 You got the bad end of the stick for sure, the shorter end of the stick.

00:29:30.000 Maybe not.

00:29:31.000 I mean, look, people shouldn't lie, but I don't know if you can make laws like that.

00:29:37.000 It's such a slippery slope because if a guy is dressed well at a nightclub on a Saturday night and he's got a nice watch on, is he now misrepresenting himself?

00:29:45.000 Is that sexual assault if he takes a girl back?

00:29:47.000 Yeah.

00:29:48.000 You know, like, is he supposed to dress in a fucking garbage man outfit because that's his income level?

00:29:52.000 Or can you actually look good on a weekend?

00:29:54.000 And I'm kind of like playing a little thought experiment here, but just because that does seem like a slippery slope, you know?

00:30:01.000 Yeah, it's a very valid point.

00:30:02.000 How about someone with a fucking counterfeit watch on?

00:30:05.000 I mean, that's a big thing with some guys.

00:30:05.000 Yeah.

00:30:08.000 They buy fake watches.

00:30:11.000 They've all been down Canal Street, Rolex, Rolex.

00:30:13.000 They're all over the place, yeah.

00:30:14.000 And they're pretty good.

00:30:15.000 Like, some of the copies, because now they have computers that can scan.

00:30:20.000 Like, it used to be when if you bought like a fake Rolex, you had to hire someone to create the plans and have it.

00:30:26.000 Now, you can just 3D print that shit.

00:30:27.000 It's probably like 99.9% the same thing.

00:30:30.000 It's really similar.

00:30:31.000 I mean, the good ones actually take a Rolex and they literally copy every piece of it.

00:30:37.000 I don't know, you know, like how efficient it is.

00:30:42.000 I mean, you know, half of them probably break.

00:30:42.000 I don't know.

00:30:44.000 I mean, who the fuck knows what kind of quality control they have?

00:30:47.000 But if you're looking at it, if you don't know any better, you're like, that's a Rolex.

00:30:50.000 This guy's got money.

00:30:51.000 That's like a $5,000 watch.

00:30:53.000 Meanwhile, no. 0.83

00:30:54.000 Lives with his mom.

00:30:55.000 Bought the watch for 50 bucks.

00:30:57.000 Bought it on Craigslist with Bitcoin.

00:30:59.000 Yeah, is that guy, is he a fraud?

00:31:01.000 Should he go to jail for that?

00:31:03.000 How does that work?

00:31:04.000 He's only a fraud to himself.

00:31:05.000 I think that one of the big things about an expensive waste of money watch is you can look down and be like, I earned this.

00:31:11.000 So if you're looking down at something that reasserts that you're full of shit, then what kind of energy are you putting out there?

00:31:18.000 Well, that's that thing that...

00:31:29.000 But a fake Rolex that looks exactly like a Rolex and works perfectly.

00:31:33.000 This is not like a fake Ferrari.

00:31:35.000 You know, you get a fake Ferrari on the highway, like, this fucking thing's terrible.

00:31:38.000 No, it's a watch.

00:31:39.000 I mean, it doesn't do a lot.

00:31:41.000 It just tells you what fucking time it is. 0.84

00:31:42.000 Not only that, the reality is those mechanical watches, they're beautiful and everything like that.

00:31:48.000 It's kind of cool.

00:31:49.000 I like the idea behind it that like a craftsman takes this watch and constructs it and all the wheels and gears and everything are all synced up.

00:31:57.000 I think that's absolutely fascinating.

00:32:00.000 But one of those fucking quartz watches works way better.

00:32:04.000 Those quartz power watches, those fucking things are never wrong.

00:32:08.000 They stay, like their time stays perfect forever.

00:32:11.000 I have an expensive Rolex that the UFC gave me.

00:32:15.000 It's not a watch that I would buy, but it's a beautiful watch.

00:32:18.000 And that fucker is wrong.

00:32:19.000 Like every two months, I got to like back it up five minutes.

00:32:22.000 And I'm not exaggerating.

00:32:24.000 It's like every two months, it's five minutes fast.

00:32:27.000 It's like, you know, thousands of dollars for this fucking thing.

00:32:31.000 It's old technology.

00:32:32.000 It's actually kind of a fetish for rich men.

00:32:35.000 Yeah, see, this is like, this watch doesn't cost much.

00:32:38.000 It glows in the dark and you can go underwater with it.

00:32:41.000 Yeah.

00:32:43.000 It's never wrong.

00:32:44.000 it doesn't get tired, and then when it does, it's like a fucking two-year lifespan on the battery. 0.90

00:32:50.000 You put a new battery in, you're good.

00:32:52.000 Well, not to flash 30 years with the Apple Watch coming out, anyone who doesn't have an Apple Watch is going to be by default a hipster.

00:33:00.000 So you'll be like, oh, okay, you're old-fashioned.

00:33:02.000 You have the vintage watch on.

00:33:04.000 I don't buy that.

00:33:05.000 I don't think.

00:33:07.000 Too problematic.

00:33:08.000 There's a bunch of problems with the watch.

00:33:09.000 First of all, no one wants to fucking be completely connected to your shit all the time like that.

00:33:15.000 It's one thing about having a phone, but constantly staring at your watch like your Dick Tracy and getting your text messages on your watch.

00:33:21.000 That shit's stupid.

00:33:23.000 Especially because you have to have your phone as well.

00:33:25.000 Like, you already have your phone.

00:33:27.000 Like, why do you want to look at your watch and get the weather?

00:33:31.000 It's on your fucking phone.

00:33:32.000 It's right there.

00:33:33.000 What do we do?

00:33:33.000 You need it to be on everything?

00:33:34.000 How about you put it across your dick and like a big neon sign in your underwear so when you pee you can get the weather?

00:33:39.000 This is stupid.

00:33:40.000 Like we're getting ridiculous.

00:33:42.000 Like how many more things do we need?

00:33:44.000 I didn't realize you needed to have the phone on you.

00:33:46.000 If that's the case, it makes it a little less cool.

00:33:48.000 Well, I'm sure you can use it without the phone, but it doesn't have cellular functionality.

00:33:51.000 Okay.

00:33:52.000 It might have functionality.

00:33:52.000 I'm wine for the cellular function because if it's just like an appendage for an iPhone, we don't really need that.

00:34:00.000 Well, I mean, it's essentially a small little computer on its own.

00:34:03.000 It carries MP3s.

00:34:05.000 You can do a lot of things with it.

00:34:06.000 It does work as a watch.

00:34:07.000 I'm sure if you load the weather and all that stuff up on it, it probably stays on it.

00:34:12.000 But I'm pretty sure it syncs up to your watch.

00:34:14.000 Did you see this last week?

00:34:15.000 This bracelet.

00:34:16.000 This is a concept.

00:34:17.000 What?

00:34:18.000 Supposedly, they show it working.

00:34:19.000 I'll show you the video.

00:34:21.000 They're showing two things here, but this bracelet is what I was talking about.

00:34:24.000 This is a video playing out of a bracelet on your wrist, and it's a working iPhone or screen, touch screen.

00:34:30.000 Oh, my God.

00:34:31.000 You can do it underwater.

00:34:32.000 Wow.

00:34:33.000 We'll show the video as a place.

00:34:35.000 See, we're getting too crazy.

00:34:36.000 But it's also a concept, too.

00:34:37.000 They're asking for money.

00:34:38.000 They said they need like a million dollars to get it working.

00:34:41.000 Yeah.

00:34:42.000 Somebody better check the tech on that.

00:34:45.000 That might be a goddamn pump and dump. 0.98

00:34:46.000 I'm not investing money in anything that's not already there.

00:34:50.000 Look at how cool it's going to be.

00:34:51.000 Just give us a million dollars.

00:34:52.000 Yeah, I don't get that.

00:34:54.000 People, I'm going to get involved on the ground floor.

00:34:56.000 No.

00:34:57.000 Don't do that.

00:34:58.000 That's the case with Bitcoin and altcoins, really.

00:35:02.000 Aside from Bitcoin, there are thousands of other coins, and they suck people in because it's one of those things where your mind goes, this could be the next Bitcoin.

00:35:13.000 But statistically, it's not going to be, but it could be.

00:35:16.000 And so you put money into it.

00:35:18.000 And most of those things turn out to be bullshit, but there are a couple that are promising.

00:35:23.000 Well, it was funny talking to Andreas Antonopoulos yesterday, who's a really fucking interesting dude.

00:35:31.000 I'm glad we have him on our side, just the human race, because he would be really dangerous in the hands of the military-industrial, like NSA-type side of things.

00:35:39.000 Yeah, well, I'm sure they have guys like him, that level of intelligence.

00:35:43.000 But when he was talking about Bitcoin, one of the things that he was talking about was how it's important to recognize that this is not something that you're going to do and get rich off of.

00:35:52.000 Like, if you're getting involved in this, you get involved in this because you believe in it.

00:35:55.000 And that's essentially what's going on right now.

00:35:57.000 And he likes that.

00:35:59.000 It's like the people that are investing all their money.

00:36:02.000 It's very likely you're going to lose your money.

00:36:04.000 But in the long run.

00:36:06.000 On the other hand, it's also likely you or not likely.

00:36:08.000 It's possible you can make an astronomical amount because Peter Diamandis talked about this.

00:36:15.000 There's a YouTube lecture people can look up called Exponential Thinking.

00:36:19.000 And he's the guy who started the XPRIZE Foundation.

00:36:22.000 And I realize that part of it is probably just he wants to give really badass lectures.

00:36:25.000 But I think that what he's saying is actually true.

00:36:27.000 And that's that once you get any technology and make it completely digital, it has to follow Moore's Law to some extent, where you get that doubling of sophistication every year to 18 months.

00:36:37.000 Right, right.

00:36:38.000 And if you kind of ignore the price itself, that's been happening with Bitcoin.

00:36:45.000 The sophistication of it is roughly doubling every year in terms of services offered on top of it and things you can do with it.

00:36:52.000 And if you follow that out to its logical extreme, it eventually has to be worth a lot more than it's worth now because nobody's really using it.

00:37:00.000 It's like a couple million people using it.

00:37:02.000 That's less than 1%, well less than 1% of financial transactions.

00:37:07.000 If you get up to maybe like 5% or 10%, which is totally reasonable, I think, that number has to be much, much larger. 0.61

00:37:14.000 Yeah, 10% is not out of the realm of possibility, especially when you consider they're starting to use it on PayPal.

00:37:19.000 I mean, as soon as you can use it on PayPal, people are like, ooh, that's pretty easy.

00:37:23.000 If I could just go with Bitcoin instead of dollars, you could start, you know, you set up a Bitcoin account and connect it to your PayPal and start buying things.

00:37:30.000 Well, the thing was, like some of the remaining critics in the media of Bitcoin were saying, you know, it's great technology, but it's not there yet because it's not ready for the masses.

00:37:39.000 And increasingly, that's no longer a valid argument because there are a few companies that have built stuff on top of Bitcoin, which is kind of what people have been saying would happen.

00:37:49.000 Right.

00:37:50.000 And these services are so mainstream friendly that you take one look at it and you're like, oh, I get it.

00:37:54.000 Like the change tip thing.

00:37:57.000 I have been doing stuff with them, like playing with their tipping thing.

00:38:00.000 You've been getting a lot.

00:38:01.000 I don't know if you've been ignoring them, but it's actually real money people are sending you.

00:38:05.000 And somebody's like, hey, great podcast.

00:38:06.000 Here's a coffee.

00:38:07.000 How do you know where it is?

00:38:09.000 It goes on your Twitter.

00:38:11.000 They're very smart about it.

00:38:12.000 It integrates with your Twitter account or your Reddit account or Google Plus.

00:38:16.000 And it's like just masses friendly.

00:38:19.000 I can say to you, like, hey, enjoyed the video yesterday.

00:38:22.000 Here's a beer.

00:38:23.000 And it sends you like $3 worth of Bitcoin.

00:38:25.000 Does all the shit on the back end.

00:38:27.000 So all you need to know is what your Twitter password is and you can collect your money.

00:38:30.000 Yeah, but what if you don't have an account?

00:38:32.000 As long as you have a Twitter account, they'll allow you to log in and collect it.

00:38:37.000 Oh, how bizarre.

00:38:38.000 It's really well done.

00:38:39.000 It's a cool thing.

00:38:40.000 Because I got a bunch of those, but I didn't know what they were saying.

00:38:42.000 I just ignored it.

00:38:44.000 Yeah, no, those are for real.

00:38:45.000 They're not like phishing attempts.

00:38:47.000 So those are strangers sending you money because they like your podcast, which right now is still probably a very small percentage of listeners.

00:38:54.000 But what about when everybody has one of these things in their wallets, and whenever they hear a podcast they like, they can just spontaneously send you 50 cents.

00:39:00.000 Like that multiplied by 100,000 people or 200,000 people, you can tell advertisers to get fucked within a couple of years, you know.

00:39:08.000 That's true, but you run into the risk of running into people that one of the things that I like about the fact the podcast is free.

00:39:16.000 It's like when if people complain or if there's something they don't like or something they want differently, the price is right, you know?

00:39:23.000 Yeah, like, listen, dude, this is how I'm doing it.

00:39:25.000 You know, I don't want to hear it.

00:39:26.000 We should just try.

00:39:27.000 Why don't you make it an hour?

00:39:28.000 Why don't you just stop listening?

00:39:30.000 Just stop.

00:39:30.000 Stop.

00:39:31.000 I'm doing what I'm doing.

00:39:32.000 If you don't like it, that's cool.

00:39:34.000 But if they're paying for it, then they'll be much more likely.

00:39:37.000 And not most people, but it's like selecting out the random problem people.

00:39:42.000 It's like most people, you allow them to buy you a drink, and everything's cool, you know?

00:39:47.000 But there's that rare person.

00:39:49.000 I was in Vegas recently, and this guy didn't even buy us a drink.

00:39:52.000 I was sitting with my friend Justin, and it was after UFC.

00:39:55.000 We're just catching up, having a couple drinks, shooting the shit.

00:39:58.000 There's this fucking guy and his wife, and they were hammered next to us. 0.94

00:40:02.000 They wouldn't leave us alone.

00:40:04.000 They just wouldn't, just wouldn't stop.

00:40:06.000 And the guy was just dumb.

00:40:07.000 He kept interrupting with the questions, and it was annoying everyone around him.

00:40:12.000 And then finally, the dude chimes in, and I go, come on, man.

00:40:16.000 I go, we're just trying to have a conversation.

00:40:19.000 I mean, I can't keep talking to you about this.

00:40:21.000 You know, you keep interrupting in the middle of everybody talking.

00:40:23.000 He goes, hey, man, I bought you a fucking drink.

00:40:26.000 That's somebody who needs an express hit of LSD or something so they can just see like just a little tiny picture of what an asshole they're being.

00:40:32.000 Well, he was just an idiot.

00:40:33.000 He was just really dumb.

00:40:34.000 But meanwhile, he didn't buy me a drink.

00:40:37.000 He didn't.

00:40:38.000 I go, no, you didn't.

00:40:38.000 I go, first of all, I'm not drinking.

00:40:40.000 So you haven't bought me a drink.

00:40:42.000 And second of all, my friend Justin paid the tab.

00:40:44.000 I watched him pay the tab.

00:40:45.000 The thing he was lording over you, he didn't even do it.

00:40:47.000 He didn't even do.

00:40:48.000 But in his mind, he was like, he's probably bought drinks for people before.

00:40:51.000 So he decided this was kind of fucking.

00:40:54.000 I bought him a drink.

00:40:55.000 I bought you a fucking drink.

00:40:56.000 You can't talk to me.

00:40:57.000 He was just so drunk and dumb.

00:41:01.000 Those people are out there.

00:41:03.000 And so, if those people are paying for your podcast, you know, if you're asking for donations, please donate to my PayPal button.

00:41:11.000 And then you get these Twitters.

00:41:12.000 I was going to donate until I heard your ignorant rant on Ferguson. 0.99

00:41:18.000 This is the line in the sand, David Seaman.

00:41:22.000 Ferguson is where we separate the heroes from the zeros.

00:41:27.000 The people are going to change this culture.

00:41:29.000 There's a lot of people like super pumped up to start a revolution.

00:41:33.000 They're walking into fucking Trader Joe's, clapping their hands, saying, you can't stop the revolution.

00:41:38.000 Have you seen this?

00:41:40.000 There's fucking videos of these morons.

00:41:42.000 And it's usually like menopausal women, dudes with aimless, shiftless minds, you know, people that are, there's something wrong with them. 1.00

00:41:51.000 They're out there walking through supermarkets, yelling at people, people just trying to, you can't stop the revolution.

00:41:57.000 It's like, what revolution is this?

00:41:58.000 The revolution of interrupt shopping with shitty singing?

00:42:02.000 The revolution of affordable yogurt and fresh fruits, Trader Joe's.

00:42:05.000 It's this thing of doing nothing but making a lot of energy and sound by doing it.

00:42:11.000 Like, I get that you're upset about police brutality.

00:42:14.000 I get that you're upset about the way this country's going.

00:42:16.000 I get that.

00:42:17.000 But going through Trader Joe's clapping your hands isn't fixing a fucking thing.

00:42:21.000 It's just going to alienate people to whatever dumb idea you have.

00:42:26.000 Yeah, there was a woman in Venice Beach who came up to me recently and asked me to sign her petition to run for president.

00:42:32.000 She's going to run? 1.00

00:42:33.000 Yeah, and I was kind of like, well, don't you maybe want to start with a YouTube channel or something?

00:42:37.000 Like, who the fuck are you?

00:42:38.000 You know, you can't just leap right to president.

00:42:41.000 And she had a few signatures, and she was so serious about it.

00:42:43.000 And I was like, well, what's the platform?

00:42:45.000 And she's like, we're going to eliminate homelessness in Venice Beach.

00:42:48.000 And I was thinking, like, that's not really a national platform.

00:42:50.000 You know, you're going to become president?

00:42:51.000 Be like, we have to address the five homeless people right here.

00:42:55.000 So my point, though, is I think that people think that they have to change something and they have to do something because they can see all the problems around them.

00:43:04.000 And for some people, that's let's go to a protest or let's run for office or let's, you know, let's just start a petition, no matter how ridiculous it sounds.

00:43:12.000 And the sad reality is revolution is silent nowadays.

00:43:16.000 Like the people who are online buying Bitcoin and developing these other coins are creating more of a revolution than anybody in the Trader Joe's on a Tuesday.

00:43:27.000 Well, I think what they're trying to do is raise awareness, I guess.

00:43:31.000 But who the fuck isn't aware that this Ferguson ruling went down, that there's riots in Missouri?

00:43:36.000 Who's not aware of that?

00:43:37.000 You don't have to walk through Pasadena yelling at people.

00:43:41.000 Those people are aware.

00:43:42.000 Well, I was tweeting out stuff about, I was like, why do black people distrust law enforcement so much?

00:43:49.000 It's not just this one case.

00:43:51.000 Some of the people on Fox News are making it seem like this is happening in a vacuum.

00:43:55.000 And it's that black people are really discriminated against when you look at the percentages of drug charges and stuff.

00:44:01.000 Even after decriminalization occurs in states like Massachusetts, blacks continue to get arrested at disproportionately high rates.

00:44:08.000 So you know there's some kind of racism happening there.

00:44:11.000 Yeah, well, or, you know, there's two things.

00:44:14.000 For sure, there's racism.

00:44:15.000 Definitely.

00:44:16.000 And definitely it makes it more difficult for cops, you know, if you are dealing with, like say if you're a good cop and, you know, you're dealing with a community that's being totally ostracized because there's been a bunch of cops that came before you that profile black people, that pick them out, that harass them, that are totally racist.

00:44:37.000 They're enforcing a couple of laws that just shouldn't exist anymore.

00:44:39.000 Like it's weird to me that here in the great God-fearing state of California, I can smoke weed and I consider it to be an antidepressant for me, and I do it legally.

00:44:49.000 You know, I'm a law-abiding citizen.

00:44:50.000 I have the medical marijuana card.

00:44:52.000 You just go a couple hours away and suddenly you're like, cool hand Luke to get the same exact thing.

00:44:58.000 Like now you're on the wrong side of the law.

00:45:00.000 And that's the case in half the country.

00:45:01.000 Like we have this weird limbo thing where half the states have it, half don't.

00:45:04.000 Oh, you mean just the marijuana?

00:45:06.000 Yeah, just the marijuana.

00:45:06.000 And like as like a white journalist, like I'm probably not going to be the one who's singled out.

00:45:11.000 But if you're a dislike any kind of disadvantaged minority, your chances of being busted for something like that is way higher.

00:45:19.000 And then the cost, just the cost to your career and everything, it can take years to get that off your record.

00:45:27.000 So that's a real thing that is somewhat Happening along racial lines.

00:45:33.000 Yeah.

00:45:34.000 Did you fucking see about this?

00:45:37.000 That's a minor, I mean, that's at least like a physical thing that you could say, like, oh, it's a thing.

00:45:43.000 It's marijuana.

00:45:44.000 This is what they're getting arrested for.

00:45:46.000 Did you hear about this fucking guy that the cop stopped the man for walking with his hands in his pocket?

00:45:53.000 No.

00:45:53.000 It just sounds like a black guy in Michigan.

00:45:56.000 He was doing nothing wrong.

00:45:58.000 And they both pull out their cell phones and they film each other.

00:46:04.000 So there's a two-phone standoff between the cop and the guy.

00:46:09.000 And it's the most ridiculous shit ever.

00:46:11.000 I mean, this fucking guy just has his hands in his pockets.

00:46:14.000 That's it.

00:46:14.000 It's just a black guy who happens to have his hands in his pockets.

00:46:17.000 And the cop starts questioning him.

00:46:19.000 And the guy pulls his phone out.

00:46:20.000 The cop pulls his phone out.

00:46:21.000 And they're both recording each other at the same time.

00:46:23.000 It's like, what are we doing?

00:46:24.000 That guy's not doing anything wrong.

00:46:25.000 Let him go.

00:46:26.000 Let him go.

00:46:27.000 He's not doing shit.

00:46:29.000 He's walking with his hands in his pocket.

00:46:29.000 Okay.

00:46:30.000 He pulled out his phone.

00:46:31.000 He's filming you.

00:46:32.000 You're both wasting my fucking money.

00:46:32.000 You're filming him.

00:46:34.000 And I'm going crazy seeing this.

00:46:36.000 So please let that fucking guy walk. 1.00

00:46:39.000 He's not committing any crimes by walking with his fucking hands in his pocket.

00:46:42.000 Everybody, everywhere you look, might be doing something that you can't see that's illegal.

00:46:47.000 That doesn't mean you get to knock on everybody's fucking door and going, I didn't even see inside your house.

00:46:50.000 What are you doing in there?

00:46:51.000 You don't get to do that, douchebag. 0.88

00:46:53.000 And when a guy's walking down the street with his hands in his pockets, he might as well be alone in his home until you see something actually suspicious.

00:47:01.000 Like he's reaching into his hand like he's pulling out a fucking gun out of his, you know, the inside of his jacket.

00:47:07.000 If you don't see that, then shut the fuck up because you're just seeing a guy walking.

00:47:11.000 Yeah.

00:47:11.000 And you're allowed to put your hands in your pocket to stay warm.

00:47:14.000 Don't have to like walk everywhere with our hands up.

00:47:17.000 Is that our new thing, David Seaman?

00:47:19.000 We have to walk with our fingers moving so we know there's no razor blades in between them.

00:47:23.000 We most certainly do not.

00:47:24.000 I think that it's a real issue where I think that people, a lot of people are a status in the same way that a few hundred years ago, people were really blindly adherent to whatever the church said.

00:47:39.000 And even if the church said something completely ridiculous, like the church said Galileo is wrong, so we have to keep him under house arrest.

00:47:46.000 And today the state, this similarly kind of opaque organization, says Julian Assange is wrong.

00:47:53.000 We have to keep him under house arrest and his thing and that embassy. 1.00

00:47:56.000 It's kind of the same thing.

00:47:58.000 Like you have somebody who's just a thought criminal saying things that you don't like, but that are actually to some extent completely fucking true, at least in the case of Galileo and in the case of some of the surveillance stuff.

00:48:09.000 So how different is it really?

00:48:11.000 And you have people ruining lives over marijuana possession in a state like Missouri that's a little behind the times in that respect.

00:48:18.000 And you go, well, what gives you this right to do that?

00:48:20.000 You're just like an agent of the church ruining people's lives over accusations of witchcraft.

00:48:25.000 It's similarly non-scientific.

00:48:27.000 You know, there's no scientific basis for this stuff.

00:48:30.000 There's no public safety basis.

00:48:32.000 Well, I think once the time has gone and passed and there's been enough space to reflect, people are going to look back at Maryland WANA legalization very similarly to the way they looked at putting people in jail for being a witch.

00:48:45.000 Oh, for sure.

00:48:45.000 I think every age has some kind of evil that for whatever reason, the people living through it just don't really see how big a deal it is.

00:48:53.000 And that one before was segregation, and now I believe it to be prohibition.

00:48:59.000 And not just of drugs, economic prohibition.

00:49:01.000 Like, why are these little companies playing with Bitcoin concerned about the government going after them for money laundering and stuff?

00:49:08.000 It's ridiculous.

00:49:08.000 You know, like they're trying to play with these laws that were designed 40 years ago, and the technologies are totally different now.

00:49:15.000 Well, one of the things that prohibition does, similar to censorship, that's insidious, one of the more insidious aspects of it, is not just that you have a difference, a differing opinion as to what should and should not be acceptable behavior, whether it's saying certain words or using certain drugs.

00:49:36.000 But it becomes a thing where another person has control over you and is preventing you from doing something that you want to do.

00:49:44.000 And when people prevent people from doing things they want to do, it builds up resentment and causes conflict and it fucks up a lot of harmonious relationships.

00:49:54.000 It's very difficult to deal with the idea of one person having ultimate power over you, especially for something like marijuana or saying certain words.

00:50:05.000 If you go to court, okay, you're in court and the guy passes some sort of a ruling on you and you're like, fuck you, your honor.

00:50:12.000 That's bullshit.

00:50:13.000 They can throw you in jail for longer because you said, fuck you, your honor.

00:50:18.000 Just some guy.

00:50:20.000 Contempt of court.

00:50:21.000 Yeah, some guy who, by the way, it's been proven they're just people.

00:50:25.000 It's not like this is like a, I have heard that the judges are human.

00:50:30.000 No, everyone's a fucking person.

00:50:32.000 So you've just got people there.

00:50:35.000 And you, so you can't say fuck you to that guy if he does something unbelievably wrong.

00:50:40.000 And meanwhile, it's been proven there's countless cases of judges being arrested for fraud, judges being arrested for corruption, masturbating under the robes.

00:50:50.000 That thing in Pennsylvania was pretty bad.

00:50:52.000 He was sending all these kids to some like kid correction facility.

00:50:55.000 The worst.

00:50:56.000 Yeah, he was getting paid to do that.

00:50:56.000 He was getting paid.

00:50:58.000 Yeah, and he's in jail now for like 35 years, and that's not enough.

00:51:01.000 That's like a Dickens novel.

00:51:02.000 That's just awful to treat kids like that.

00:51:04.000 He was taking kids away from their parents and having them locked up and he was profiting off of it.

00:51:09.000 He had a deal where they would pay him.

00:51:12.000 That's a judge.

00:51:13.000 It's a person.

00:51:13.000 That's a judge.

00:51:15.000 It all comes back to the drug war and prohibition because a lot of stuff is just too complicated.

00:51:21.000 You can't say that it's purely good or evil and it's gray areas.

00:51:25.000 But as far as I'm concerned, the private prison industry, which is a real thing, is as close to pure evil as you can get.

00:51:31.000 You have people who are using all the tools of capitalism, which are significant tools.

00:51:36.000 And they're using it not to build us a better phone next year or to cure some new kind of cancer.

00:51:42.000 They're using it to keep people in cages for exploring their own minds and trafficking in things that are just natural herbs.

00:51:49.000 I mean, that's, to me, as close to evil as you can get.

00:51:52.000 Well, it's a machine that when you get a big business like that, like whether your big business is Walmart or Target, You know, when they get in trouble for trying to change regulations and laws in order to allow them to make more money in certain ways that might not be legal right now, people look at them like, oh, they're terrible.

00:52:13.000 Oh, they're evil.

00:52:14.000 They're just trying to stay alive.

00:52:15.000 They're a machine.

00:52:16.000 And a machine that generates money.

00:52:18.000 When you get a million people involved in that machine, and you essentially have a million pieces, and these pieces run this organism, this organism, call it target or call it, you know, name any one of them.

00:52:34.000 Once they become a machine, they want to continue to extract money in any way they can.

00:52:40.000 Once they have that process going, they want to continue.

00:52:43.000 And if it just means arresting more people and locking them up in their houses, because the houses make money, for every person in that house, you get X amount of dollars a year.

00:52:50.000 The more people you get, the more money we get.

00:52:52.000 The more laws are on the books, the more people we'll get.

00:52:54.000 So the more laws that were on the books, the more money our organism will get.

00:52:59.000 And every one of these corporations, every one of them, whether it's Target or whether it's fill in the blank, Starbucks, they all want to grow.

00:53:09.000 Every year, they want to grow.

00:53:10.000 They want to get bigger and bigger and bigger.

00:53:12.000 No one wants to taper off.

00:53:14.000 Hey, we've been doing good for about 10 years, guys.

00:53:17.000 My house is pretty much paid off.

00:53:19.000 Like, let's just taper off.

00:53:21.000 I don't need more money.

00:53:22.000 Come on, man.

00:53:22.000 I don't need a boat.

00:53:23.000 If I had a boat, I'd have to fix the boat and clean the boat. 0.99

00:53:25.000 Fuck that.

00:53:26.000 Nobody does that.

00:53:27.000 So when you deal with a company like Target or you deal with a company like Bob's Prisons or whatever the fuck it is, it's the same thing.

00:53:35.000 You're allowing someone to make money doing things.

00:53:44.000 And if we can get a better form of money, then even though we're still going to have people doing human things, which involves making as much money as possible, if they're actually using more fair money, then we can track that flow and it can be done in a more fair way.

00:53:59.000 Like, I'm pretty convinced that a lot of the shit we see in terms of militarization and all the military-industrial complex and whatnot, it's because of the way our financial system works, that we have the government, to go back to comparing government to the church from a few hundred years ago.

00:54:17.000 We have this organization that is beyond the average person's understanding.

00:54:21.000 And they're the ones in charge of money.

00:54:23.000 And it's very unscientific and it's kind of mysterious.

00:54:26.000 And it seems like that money always loops back around and goes to these kinds of organizations like companies that lobby for prison contracts and not to the individual.

00:54:39.000 There's an intrinsic problem there.

00:54:41.000 And based on what I've researched, I really think that this whole currency revolution is going to fix a lot of that.

00:54:47.000 So we're still going to have shitty problems, but it's going to be a lot harder in 10 years to be a Booz Allen Hamilton or a Lockheed Martin or whatever and do the creepy stuff.

00:54:58.000 You'll still be able to do the good stuff, but the creepier sides are going to be just really hard to justify because that money is going to have to come from somewhere.

00:55:06.000 Like in the same way that those tipping services are taking off, every citizen is going to have some say over where their money actually goes.

00:55:13.000 And that sounds like it's very futuristic still, but it's going to happen, I think, faster than people realize because it's happening, you know?

00:55:20.000 Well, if that's the case, it's going to be a weird world to see companies, corporations become accountable and start having to address and adjust.

00:55:29.000 And if you force them to be accountable, they're essentially comprised of people.

00:55:33.000 And if the people at the top end of the spectrum are not just being forced to act ethically, but are encouraged to and are empowered by doing so.

00:55:44.000 Like they get to feel good about the fact that, look, everybody can make a living and not rape the world.

00:55:50.000 It is possible.

00:55:51.000 I mean, just the idea that capitalism has to be this monster that doesn't give a fuck about anything but money, that's only because we've allowed it to be that thing.

00:55:59.000 We haven't like strained it, constrained it with ethics and morals.

00:56:03.000 And essentially, that's the case with human beings.

00:56:06.000 Where do you think psychopaths come from?

00:56:08.000 Where do you think murderers and fucking warlords come from?

00:56:10.000 I don't think it's.

00:56:11.000 That's a human being, but hold on.

00:56:12.000 That's a human being that hasn't been constrained, right?

00:56:15.000 I mean, that's what it is.

00:56:16.000 It's a human being that hasn't been like, hey, you need to develop along the way a series, a set of ethics, morals.

00:56:24.000 You become a good person, right?

00:56:26.000 Well, you could become a good company as well.

00:56:28.000 Or you can kind of bribe your way through the maze, get to the top and be this fucking evil whoremonger, murderer cat.

00:56:36.000 That's possible too.

00:56:37.000 And we've seen both.

00:56:39.000 Yeah, I think just so that you said with ethics and morals, that's important, but there's no way to screen for that.

00:56:46.000 So I think what's really going to help us out is just promoting better forms of technology.

00:56:51.000 We can give every new cop the full Star Trek Federation lesson in the prime directive, don't do harm to others.

00:57:00.000 We can give them the whole download in terms of morality.

00:57:04.000 They might skip that lesson.

00:57:05.000 They might not actually get that.

00:57:07.000 But if they have a body camera on them at all hours they're on duty, it doesn't really matter because we're going to have some accountability and that's due to technology.

00:57:15.000 And I think with this Bitcoin stuff, it's the same way.

00:57:17.000 You're still going to have shitty governments and shitty people and greedy corporations.

00:57:22.000 But now somebody can actually track all of it and we can watch it happening in real time.

00:57:26.000 And that right there, you know, even if I didn't own any, that right there is enough of an upgrade that I'd be willing to fight for it because what we have right now is fucking chaos and it's not working for anybody.

00:57:36.000 It's going to be really interesting to see if something like Bitcoin or ultimately whatever coin it is, if it does become big enough that it has a significant impact on the world.

00:57:45.000 Because as soon as that does happen, if the balance starts to sway in that direction and people start hopping on that and that becomes the way people start exchanging goods and purchasing things, it could really be a monumental shift in human culture.

00:58:02.000 I mean, really be like the first time ever people have a full say.

00:58:08.000 And if people really do get to that state where we no longer need a bank, I mean, that's just what a giant chunk of the economy would be eliminated.

00:58:20.000 What a giant chunk of the people that control massive amounts of resources and money. 1.00

00:58:25.000 They would be just shit out of luck.

00:58:27.000 There's a whole class of people in New York that are basically professional moneymen and money women, and they will go away and they will be the most unmissed class of people in human history.

00:58:38.000 Notoriously ruthless.

00:58:40.000 Notoriously selfish.

00:58:40.000 Yeah, notoriously ruthless.

00:58:42.000 Took money from taxpayers and then turned around and still foreclosed on all these millions of people.

00:58:47.000 And it's not all of them.

00:58:48.000 I mean, some of them are great, I'm sure.

00:58:49.000 financial guys they're working in a system that is You're still in a slaughterhouse, you know, and that's the system they work in.

00:59:01.000 And what makes Bitcoin so different is that it wasn't designed to make money off of people.

00:59:06.000 You know, I guess we can't tell what his intentions were, but the way it works, it doesn't need to make a lot of money off of you to send money.

00:59:13.000 It's not like a fee-based thing.

00:59:15.000 That's what doesn't make sense about how much money bankers make.

00:59:19.000 What are you doing?

00:59:20.000 You just move money around?

00:59:21.000 You get so much of it that you get to buy a castle?

00:59:24.000 Well, they buy ads on TV convincing you to sign up for a 401k, and then they make their money on the management fee.

00:59:30.000 How much do you think they're giving Samuel Jackson to do those goddamn Capital One commercials?

00:59:35.000 Maybe they paid off his credit cards a few times.

00:59:38.000 But Samuel Jackson is a wealthy man.

00:59:40.000 I mean, he's a huge actor.

00:59:41.000 He's one of the biggest actors in Hollywood still to this day.

00:59:44.000 How can they pay him to do that?

00:59:46.000 I don't know.

00:59:47.000 If they gave him a price that's right, it's probably not that much time in front of a green screen.

00:59:51.000 But there's a lot of actors that are starting to do those.

00:59:53.000 They're doing Capital One commercials.

00:59:54.000 They're doing like Alec Baldwin.

00:59:56.000 Yeah.

00:59:57.000 That's weird.

00:59:59.000 It seems odd.

01:00:00.000 Well, it's because banks are mostly psychological, so they have to keep raising the bar to keep our attention.

01:00:00.000 It seems odd.

01:00:05.000 Yeah, but why would the movie stars be interested in doing that?

01:00:08.000 I mean, these are wealthy people.

01:00:09.000 That's what's confusing to me.

01:00:11.000 You should get them in here.

01:00:12.000 I don't want to.

01:00:12.000 You don't want to?

01:00:13.000 That's okay.

01:00:14.000 No.

01:00:15.000 I mean, probably just easy access to money.

01:00:17.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:00:17.000 I guess.

01:00:18.000 I mean, I guess it's just a shit ton of money.

01:00:20.000 To do very little work.

01:00:21.000 But it seems like how much money they have?

01:00:23.000 I mean, you're talking about really wealthy people.

01:00:26.000 It seems like, especially Samuel Jackson, what is he, like, 65 or something like that?

01:00:30.000 At a certain point in time.

01:00:31.000 And already a legend.

01:00:32.000 I mean, you can't.

01:00:33.000 No matter what happens after Pulp Fiction, he's a great actor forever, you know?

01:00:37.000 Yeah, but a lot of actors, they fuck it up towards the end.

01:00:40.000 There's a lot of actors, like towards the end, they start sort of, it all kind of fades off, you know, and they start doing like those Robert De Niro movies that he's been doing lately.

01:00:50.000 You know, Robert De Niro is doing some fucking goddamn terrible movies lately.

01:00:55.000 I watched one of them he did with John Travolta, and I was like, what did they pay him to do this?

01:01:00.000 This is ridiculous.

01:01:02.000 John Travolta plays like the worst Russian accent ever. 1.00

01:01:07.000 They're both like killers, and John Travolta's chasing him through the woods.

01:01:11.000 They're shooting arrows at each other.

01:01:12.000 It's like, it's so stupid.

01:01:14.000 It's so stupid.

01:01:15.000 You watch the preview and you see like the obvious stunt man that's falling down.

01:01:19.000 And you're like, what?

01:01:21.000 This is an episode of the $6 million man that they turned into a fucking movie?

01:01:25.000 Like, this is so bad.

01:01:27.000 It's so fucking bad.

01:01:28.000 Well, he was great in what were they?

01:01:31.000 Meet the Falkers, all those. 0.99

01:01:32.000 Oh, yeah.

01:01:33.000 Well, he's creating a lot of them.

01:01:37.000 Raging Bull, a deer hunter.

01:01:39.000 Taxi driver.

01:01:40.000 I mean, you can't take away what he's done, but I think they get to a certain point.

01:01:44.000 They're like, fucking, who cares?

01:01:46.000 Give me the check.

01:01:47.000 I'll do your stupid fucking movie.

01:01:49.000 Travolta and I, we're in the woods.

01:01:49.000 Oh, okay.

01:01:51.000 He's shooting arrows at me.

01:01:52.000 All right, let's go.

01:01:53.000 It's like Pierce Bros then.

01:01:54.000 He's been in a couple of kind of lower end things.

01:01:56.000 And he was Bond not that long ago.

01:01:58.000 Yeah, but he was like the least believable Bond ever.

01:02:01.000 Like, I'm like, this guy ain't kicking no one's ass.

01:02:03.000 You know, he's breaking his own hands.

01:02:05.000 Like, this is not, he's not going to knock people out.

01:02:08.000 He's going to hurt himself.

01:02:09.000 You think Daniel Craig is more believable?

01:02:10.000 He's the most believable ever, for sure.

01:02:13.000 He's the only guy.

01:02:14.000 Like, you look at him with his shirt off and you go, that guy's a killer.

01:02:16.000 Like, he looks like a real killer.

01:02:17.000 It looks like he could fuck you up.

01:02:19.000 You know, you look at Pierce Brosnan with his shirt off and you're like, this guy, all you have to do is run up a flight of stairs and wait for him.

01:02:26.000 Like, he's not going to make it.

01:02:27.000 He's not kicking anybody's ass.

01:02:29.000 It better be quick.

01:02:30.000 If he kicks your ass, it better not take time because he's not going to be there.

01:02:34.000 30, 40 seconds into this, he's going to be huffing and puffing.

01:02:38.000 It's going to be over.

01:02:39.000 He's more of a gun-based Bond.

01:02:42.000 He's a pretty man.

01:02:43.000 He has very, very nice hair.

01:02:45.000 But I don't buy him as a badass, like beating people up.

01:02:50.000 They could get away with that back in the day.

01:02:51.000 Like, if you go back and watch the original Batman and Robin, like Adam West.

01:02:55.000 Adam West looked like maybe someone made him do a push-up at one point in time.

01:03:01.000 You know what I mean?

01:03:02.000 in no way, shape, or form did he look like an athlete.

01:03:06.000 He didn't look like...

01:03:09.000 Exactly.

01:03:09.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:03:10.000 Exactly.

01:03:11.000 Like, Christian Bale in Batman was, he's a monster.

01:03:14.000 He looks like a badass.

01:03:16.000 Which is pretty impressive because that's coming off just like six months from him doing The Machinist, where he got down to some ungodly low weight.

01:03:24.000 Like, I think he was like 140 pounds or something like that.

01:03:27.000 And he's a big guy.

01:03:28.000 It might even have been lower.

01:03:30.000 Yeah, he's the real deal.

01:03:32.000 Oh, T. No one has come closer to dying for a role than that guy did in a role that sucked.

01:03:38.000 I mean, that movie sucked.

01:03:40.000 I didn't see The Machinist.

01:03:41.000 It's just, it was okay, but it was not the movie you want to almost die for.

01:03:46.000 But you got to think also that a guy that's losing that much weight and essentially starving himself to death like that, like that guy doesn't have much energy to act either.

01:03:55.000 That's the catch 22 is like you lose that much weight.

01:03:58.000 Like your body is fucking struggling.

01:04:02.000 Like everything is hard to do.

01:04:03.000 Getting up out of bed is hard to do.

01:04:05.000 You're dying.

01:04:06.000 Your body's eating itself.

01:04:08.000 I mean, the only way to get that lean and that thin, there he is on the left.

01:04:12.000 Wow, that's incredible.

01:04:14.000 That's him on the right, six months later.

01:04:16.000 That is unreal.

01:04:17.000 Yeah.

01:04:18.000 But that shit that he did to himself to get to the guy on the left, he probably ruined his organs.

01:04:24.000 I mean, he probably took years off of his life.

01:04:28.000 Very, very, very hard on your body to get that thin.

01:04:31.000 You're eating yourself.

01:04:32.000 Your body starts atrophying.

01:04:34.000 It starts absorbing its own muscle tissue.

01:04:36.000 It stays alive.

01:04:38.000 That's where you're getting your protein from.

01:04:39.000 It's eating its own body.

01:04:41.000 That's fucked.

01:04:42.000 That is fucked.

01:04:43.000 For a goofy movie.

01:04:45.000 50 Cents did it too.

01:04:47.000 For something people are going to make fun of on a podcast years later.

01:04:50.000 Well, some people might have enjoyed it.

01:04:50.000 Yeah.

01:04:52.000 I mean, I don't know.

01:04:54.000 Just, I didn't think it was that good.

01:04:55.000 And he's a great actor.

01:04:57.000 I love him in a lot of things.

01:04:58.000 It's just that wasn't worth fucking doing, man.

01:05:02.000 Jesus Christ.

01:05:04.000 How did we get on him losing weight?

01:05:06.000 How the fuck did we even go down this road?

01:05:08.000 I'm not sure.

01:05:09.000 Probably through Bitcoin somewhere or another.

01:05:11.000 I want to drive home the Bitcoin thing, though.

01:05:13.000 Like, everybody out there.

01:05:14.000 It's too late.

01:05:15.000 It's so because you were saying, like, wouldn't it be cool if it would happen?

01:05:18.000 It sort of is.

01:05:19.000 You know, like, this is the point where people who are not tech savvy and not Bill Gates or Richard Branson need to look into it because those people have already made their beds.

01:05:29.000 You know, like Richard Branson, very much a believer in Bitcoin.

01:05:34.000 Bill Gates went on Bloomberg and said Bitcoin is better than currency.

01:05:38.000 Like that was only part of his statement.

01:05:40.000 It was like Bitcoin is better than currency in that.

01:05:42.000 And then he explained why.

01:05:44.000 But what's so weird about that is Bill Gates back in 1995 was on Letterman, basically the same kind of interview, but about the internet.

01:05:52.000 And the audience back then thought he was just as full of shit as people today think Bitcoin is kind of this fad when it's really not.

01:06:00.000 Like Bill Gates isn't in the pumping bullshit business.

01:06:03.000 Well, here's the reality of Bitcoin or of anything that's not a fully formed, absolutely successful shift.

01:06:12.000 Okay, whatever it is.

01:06:13.000 Well, you don't know.

01:06:14.000 We don't know.

01:06:15.000 We might think that Bitcoin is it and it might become, what's that other stuff?

01:06:18.000 Dogecoin and Doggy coin or whatever it is.

01:06:20.000 Yeah, there are hundreds of them now.

01:06:22.000 Yeah, there's hundreds of them.

01:06:23.000 So there might be one that comes along a few years from now that's like ethically engineered.

01:06:28.000 Somebody comes along and some great minds and mathematicians and economists get together and they come up with a formula that everyone agrees to and they launch it and it's like the fucking Large Hadron Collider where you get 10,000 scientists from 100 different countries working on this one project and they come up with a universal form of currency and essentially figure out some sort of a way to slowly but surely even out the culture's financial distribution of wealth.

01:06:58.000 And that's like a huge issue with people, the distribution of wealth.

01:07:02.000 Because some people are like, fuck you, man, I earned this money.

01:07:04.000 And then some people are like, fuck you.

01:07:06.000 The only way you could have that much money is if you've done something wrong or if you found a loophole in a system that was absolutely unjust.

01:07:12.000 And once that loophole's been created and once that position's been established, it's almost impossible to even things out.

01:07:18.000 This is not an even playing field, especially if you inherited that money or you got in a fucking divorce, you know, like all that kind of shit.

01:07:25.000 That's why this is so brilliant.

01:07:26.000 I mean, that innovation of the money being created through mining is a pretty smart idea because now the distribution is, for lack of a better word, fair.

01:07:35.000 And even today, like when I left the house, Bitcoin was at around $380, $385.

01:07:41.000 You check it every day at the stock market?

01:07:42.000 I do.

01:07:43.000 You one of those freaks?

01:07:44.000 I just check it because I can't not check it.

01:07:47.000 I'm up a dollar.

01:07:48.000 It's not so much about that.

01:07:49.000 It's just interesting to watch.

01:07:52.000 So it was around 380-something, and I was thinking about how people go, oh, 380, that's too expensive for a Bitcoin.

01:07:58.000 I'm going to wait until it drops.

01:08:00.000 What you're actually buying is, so one Bitcoin equals 1 million bits.

01:08:05.000 And already some of those services like ChangeTip are switching over to bits instead of Bitcoins because it's easier for the mind.

01:08:13.000 It's easier to say you've received 5,000 bits than 0.05, whatever.

01:08:19.000 So that is happening.

01:08:21.000 And I think that in a few years' time, maybe like five years from now, people will look back on this era and go, holy shit, that was insanely undervalued because that's what happened four years ago.

01:08:32.000 Like my whole thesis, my thesis.

01:08:35.000 I have Bitcoin in five years.

01:08:36.000 Well, that's possible too.

01:08:37.000 But if it does happen, I think that it's one of those things where we are not even in the there's a cycle to a product and we're not even in the first stage of that cycle.

01:08:50.000 Maybe, or it's like Betamax.

01:08:52.000 It looked promising and fucking fizzled off way before.

01:08:55.000 And then something that wasn't even as good became much more successful.

01:08:58.000 But I think we can agree then that one of these cryptocurrencies is going to work.

01:09:03.000 Hopefully.

01:09:05.000 It might not be one of the ones that's currently available.

01:09:07.000 I mean, these cryptocurrencies didn't exist a decade ago.

01:09:10.000 I mean, think about that.

01:09:11.000 A decade is a very brief window in time.

01:09:13.000 It is.

01:09:13.000 2004, no cryptocurrencies.

01:09:15.000 2014, over 100.

01:09:17.000 I mean, how many are there?

01:09:18.000 There are hundreds, possibly even thousands.

01:09:20.000 But think about it.

01:09:21.000 A lot.

01:09:22.000 Let's say a lot.

01:09:23.000 So Bitcoin, one of the lingering problems is like, all right, you have Bitcoin and it has whatever economic value it ends up having.

01:09:31.000 And so you can use it as money, and that's great.

01:09:33.000 But what you still have that's an issue is the need for financial institutions.

01:09:37.000 If I want to earn interest on my Bitcoin, I have to give it to somebody.

01:09:41.000 Right, but why do you have to earn interest on your money?

01:09:43.000 That's like a firmly established thing in people's minds, that you have money, you put it away somewhere, and you earn interest.

01:09:49.000 Like, why?

01:09:50.000 That's just how people are trained.

01:09:51.000 But isn't that stupid?

01:09:52.000 Everything is stupid.

01:09:53.000 But that's really stupid.

01:09:54.000 The idea that you give your money to a bank and the bank just hangs on to it and spends it a little bit here and there and loans it out and then keeps as much as they can.

01:10:01.000 So if you ever want it back, you can go and get it.

01:10:02.000 Well, it sounds stupid because it's been so it's been perverted, you know, in the favor of institutions and not in the favor of individuals.

01:10:11.000 So one of these ideas is if you give your money to a Bitcoin bank and they pay you interest, there's still the possibility that that bank can fail.

01:10:19.000 And they have to make the money somewhere.

01:10:21.000 So they have to loan out things and take risks and they could fail.

01:10:26.000 There's a currency, actually a bunch of them, but one of them is hyper and the algorithm actually creates its own interest.

01:10:33.000 So unlike Bitcoin where it just sits there, this coin, just by running it on your computer, you earn more of the coins.

01:10:39.000 So what they've done is create it so that anybody with just a normal computer can run the software that actually creates more currency for that network.

01:10:47.000 Because with Bitcoin, you can only do that if you're running the mining hardware, which is really kind of expensive and obscure.

01:10:53.000 How does that work, though?

01:10:54.000 Is that an infinite growth paradigm?

01:10:56.000 Is that the idea behind it?

01:10:57.000 It just continues on forever and ever and continues to generate interest.

01:11:00.000 It doesn't continue forever because in five years it scales down and then it scales down again.

01:11:06.000 And it scales down through the software?

01:11:08.000 Through the schedule.

01:11:09.000 It's all been scheduled.

01:11:11.000 The same with Bitcoin.

01:11:13.000 Well, with Bitcoin, it's just the amount that gets made, not the interest.

01:11:17.000 I'm using the word interest.

01:11:18.000 What it really is, is they found a way to, This algorithm, just by running the wallet, you're Supporting the network and running those transactions for people.

01:11:33.000 So, as a result, you're going to get a percentage of those coins.

01:11:36.000 And so, they've just kind of democratized the mining process.

01:11:39.000 So, now every single user is essentially a miner.

01:11:41.000 And it changes the way you think about money because, with Bitcoin, what Bitcoin did is you no longer need a central bank to issue money.

01:11:47.000 You now have money, it just exists.

01:11:49.000 And with things like Hyper, you no longer have the need for a bank to issue interest because the coin itself is capable of bearing interest.

01:11:57.000 So, you have something that just cannot be corrupted by any kind of Yeah, but who the fuck is using Hyper?

01:12:03.000 Is it 1% of the people that use Bitcoin?

01:12:05.000 Is it even that?

01:12:06.000 You know, I mean, how many people are using Bitcoin?

01:12:08.000 That's a tiny percentage of the population already.

01:12:10.000 So you're dealing with a tiny percentage or a tiny percentage.

01:12:13.000 Still very small.

01:12:14.000 It's used by gamers in online worlds, which the online world thing is becoming more of an economy because in a few years, people are going to have Oculus Riffs on.

01:12:25.000 They're going to be exploring around in their living rooms.

01:12:28.000 And even though they're just on a video game, everything they do has some kind of real economic value.

01:12:32.000 And if you can port that value in somehow, you could do neat things.

01:12:37.000 We're going to be in the Matrix inside of 20 years.

01:12:39.000 Inside of 20 years, we're going to be just like Keanu Reeves with a big fucking frisbee in the back of our head, going to connect it to a tube.

01:12:45.000 You think we'll have to run it in the system?

01:12:47.000 You think we'll have full AI within 20 years?

01:12:49.000 You can just ask Siri and it's easy to do.

01:12:50.000 Yeah, I think you'll have robots.

01:12:53.000 You'll have like a person, like a robot butler or something like that that hands around, you know, hangs around your house and hands you things and does things for you and schedules things.

01:13:01.000 Just a robot girlfriend. 0.98

01:13:03.000 Well, that's going to be an ethical dilemma, but I think that's probably coming too.

01:13:07.000 Ethical dilemma I've already resolved. 0.99

01:13:08.000 Yeah, you're cool with it?

01:13:09.000 I'm set.

01:13:11.000 No, I'm just fucking around.

01:13:13.000 What do you mean you just fucking around?

01:13:14.000 You're telling the truth.

01:13:15.000 If you've had a really hot, like Tracy Lord's Inner Prime robot for a while.

01:13:19.000 If I really couldn't tell the difference and other people couldn't either, that's where the problem sets in.

01:13:23.000 Because then it's like, well, why wouldn't you order her?

01:13:25.000 She starts crying when you leave.

01:13:26.000 And you're like, what the fuck?

01:13:27.000 I didn't know they can cry.

01:13:28.000 Well, it's like an interstellar.

01:13:29.000 You have to deprogram the.

01:13:30.000 I didn't see it.

01:13:31.000 Don't give me any spoilers, you fuck.

01:13:33.000 How dare you?

01:13:34.000 All right.

01:13:34.000 No spoilers.

01:13:36.000 The idea of AI is very captivating.

01:13:39.000 And the idea of AI to me is very similar to the idea, what must have been the idea, the atomic bomb before it was initially dropped.

01:13:47.000 I think the idea of doing it is almost so compelling, it's impossible to not do it.

01:13:52.000 And in that case, like with the atomic bomb, of course, it was like during the war, and they were worried about the Nazis coming up with it first.

01:13:58.000 But if there was no war going on, I'm pretty sure they still would have come up with a fucking atomic bomb.

01:14:03.000 They just would have, you know, especially if they were worried that somebody else would have first, even if there was no war.

01:14:09.000 But it's one of those things where once you make it, you've made it.

01:14:12.000 The cat's out of the bag.

01:14:13.000 And now everybody knows that this is a part of reality.

01:14:16.000 And I think that's going to be the case with artificial intelligence.

01:14:19.000 I think there's going to be a once you make it, you sure?

01:14:22.000 Okay.

01:14:23.000 Hit the button, let him go live.

01:14:25.000 And then, you know, he starts doing things for you.

01:14:27.000 And you go to bed.

01:14:27.000 You get up in the morning in front of your fucking computer.

01:14:30.000 And he's designing a far better robot.

01:14:32.000 He's like, you've made mistakes and I want to correct them.

01:14:34.000 And here's the best way to design the next level of me.

01:14:37.000 And then he designs and makes the next level of him.

01:14:40.000 And the next level of him kills all the people.

01:14:42.000 Just fucking slaughters people and says, people are a parasite.

01:14:46.000 We're just going to make robot people that don't litter. 0.94

01:14:50.000 You don't have any problems.

01:14:51.000 And we're all synced up together on one network.

01:14:53.000 And our goal is to live harmoniously with all the other life forms on Earth with nothing out of balance.

01:14:58.000 And we have an algorithm designed to achieve that.

01:15:01.000 We're indistinguishable biologically from actual people at this point because we're so advanced with artificial cells, even we can't tell.

01:15:09.000 So what we'll do is we'll just only exist in this form.

01:15:13.000 And all these imperfect prototypes that existed essentially just to hatch us.

01:15:19.000 That's all they were.

01:15:20.000 They were just cocooning themselves until they shit out some artificial life.

01:15:23.000 You think there's going to be a bit of a Cylon mentality then? 1.00

01:15:26.000 Yeah, well, there's going to be an elitism.

01:15:27.000 You know, they're going to be smarter than us.

01:15:29.000 They're going to be better than us.

01:15:30.000 And they're going to realize how flawed we are.

01:15:32.000 We are biological computers, okay?

01:15:34.000 But we're biological computers that were never designed.

01:15:38.000 We have been designed by trial and error and natural selection and genetics and learned behavior patterns and adaptation to our environments.

01:15:50.000 But at the end of the day, what they're going to be able to do, if you really do have artificial intelligence, you really do create something that's super intelligent, artificial, wasn't born out of cells and mating and evolution, just something that a human being created.

01:16:06.000 That fucking thing's going to have some real different ideas about how to run shit. 1.00

01:16:10.000 It really is.

01:16:11.000 Like Elon Musk warned that.

01:16:14.000 Yeah, we'll be summoning the demon.

01:16:15.000 Yeah.

01:16:16.000 Yeah.

01:16:16.000 That's what he said.

01:16:17.000 Well, I would listen to him.

01:16:18.000 That guy's smart as shit.

01:16:20.000 He's way fucking smarter than me.

01:16:21.000 So if I'm worried about it, I'm an idiot.

01:16:24.000 Like, what are guys who are actually coders?

01:16:27.000 What are they actually thinking?

01:16:28.000 Well, it's neat how there's an article in Wired about this whole AI thing.

01:16:32.000 And the article was good until the end when it was like, we need to go on this journey so that these machines will tell us who we are.

01:16:39.000 And that's the part where I was like, vomit, because these people who are looking at this singularity is like, this is what we need to get to.

01:16:48.000 Like, so they can get personal answers and personal meaning.

01:16:51.000 Have they tried first, like, a weed brownie or something, just to be sure?

01:16:55.000 Like, I think the answers they're looking for are not going to be spit out by a computer.

01:16:59.000 I think they're, like, personal things.

01:17:01.000 I don't think you ever get the answers, man.

01:17:04.000 I think you get some answers.

01:17:06.000 You get some peace.

01:17:07.000 What?

01:17:07.000 I want my money back.

01:17:09.000 All the answers?

01:17:10.000 There's no answers.

01:17:10.000 What?

01:17:12.000 I mean, the answers to what, like, here's the big one, right?

01:17:14.000 What is the meaning of life?

01:17:16.000 That's a hard one.

01:17:17.000 To crush your enemies.

01:17:20.000 They have them driven before you lamentations of the women.

01:17:23.000 Laminations?

01:17:24.000 Lamentations?

01:17:25.000 Yeah, the lamentations of their women.

01:17:26.000 Lamentations.

01:17:27.000 Great quote.

01:17:29.000 Apparently, he wasn't even acting.

01:17:30.000 He's just kind of letting people know it's okay.

01:17:38.000 There's no meaning of life.

01:17:39.000 Your meaning of life is different than Jamie's.

01:17:41.000 Mine's different than yours.

01:17:43.000 It's like we're all different.

01:17:45.000 If you were a guy who really wanted to fix shoes, you know, and you're forced to make podcasts all the time, you'd be bummed out.

01:17:53.000 Like, fuck podcasts.

01:17:54.000 I like fixing shoes.

01:17:55.000 There'd be some really bad podcasts.

01:17:57.000 And if you were in that shoe fixer place that I told you about, you'd be bummed out.

01:18:01.000 You'd be like, this is bullshit.

01:18:02.000 I want to talk about Bitcoin.

01:18:04.000 You'd be like, do people know about Bitcoin?

01:18:06.000 I accept shoe payments with Bitcoin.

01:18:10.000 Any way possible, I'll accept Bitcoin.

01:18:12.000 I mean, everybody's life is different.

01:18:14.000 There's some people's lives that they love that you would want to fucking kill yourself.

01:18:18.000 Like, if you had to live as a fucking fur trapper in the middle of Canada, you'd kill yourself. 0.99

01:18:23.000 You'd be like, I can't do this.

01:18:24.000 I'm taking a jet ski to work every day or those snow skis.

01:18:28.000 Actually, my level of enjoyment would totally depend on if there was medical marijuana.

01:18:33.000 Because if there was, I would love the winter there.

01:18:35.000 Would you be high as fucking a log cabin?

01:18:36.000 Yes, I would.

01:18:37.000 You'd be panicking, though.

01:18:38.000 You'd be like, dude, I'm going to freeze to death out here.

01:18:40.000 I'm going to run out of wood.

01:18:40.000 I'm going to have to heat my house.

01:18:42.000 I'm going to have to light my house on fire to heat it.

01:18:47.000 There's times where you're living in those places where you have to go out and get wood and it's 30 below zero.

01:18:52.000 You've got to go outside and start chopping down wood because if you don't, you're not going to make it.

01:18:57.000 Yeah, I don't like those kind of situations.

01:18:59.000 Where anything ends in or you're not going to make it.

01:19:02.000 Yeah.

01:19:02.000 That's where I draw the line.

01:19:04.000 Especially if you're kind of cold.

01:19:08.000 You're in bed already.

01:19:09.000 You're already cold.

01:19:10.000 You're wrapped up and you're freezing.

01:19:11.000 You're looking over at the log pie.

01:19:12.000 You're like, oh, my God, I'm not going to get through the night.

01:19:14.000 I'm going to have to go outside.

01:19:16.000 Shit.

01:19:17.000 And you realize, like, okay, how far is the closest trees?

01:19:22.000 Okay, let's do this.

01:19:23.000 Let's do this.

01:19:24.000 You shut the door and it opens because the wind is blowing so strong.

01:19:27.000 You have to shut it again and pull it tight.

01:19:29.000 Boom, it shuts.

01:19:30.000 And you're out there with a fucking hacksaw with snowshoes on.

01:19:37.000 The wind's blowing sideways.

01:19:39.000 You're fucking freezing.

01:19:41.000 And you're thinking to yourself, I don't know how much longer I could stay out here.

01:19:44.000 This sounds like the worst Airbnb vacation.

01:19:48.000 Like somebody didn't read the full description.

01:19:49.000 Negative 30 degrees, fucking wolves everywhere.

01:19:52.000 Well, that's the real scary thing, man.

01:19:54.000 Not global warming.

01:19:55.000 Global warming's scary.

01:19:56.000 The oceans rise.

01:19:57.000 Oh my God, we lost Malibu.

01:19:59.000 Yeah, that's scary.

01:20:00.000 But what's really scary, global cooling.

01:20:03.000 That's the really scary shit.

01:20:05.000 Go back into an ice age.

01:20:07.000 Oh, God, that would suck.

01:20:09.000 Then your Bitcoins won't save you, unfortunately.

01:20:12.000 Have you seen Cave of Forgotten Dreams, the Werner-Herzog film?

01:20:15.000 I watched it again the other night.

01:20:15.000 I have not.

01:20:18.000 It's really amazing.

01:20:20.000 It's about this cave in France.

01:20:23.000 I would say France, but I'm fucking American, so I say it my way.

01:20:27.000 It's this cave.

01:20:29.000 They found these really, really old cave paintings.

01:20:33.000 They were like twice as old as the oldest cave paintings that had ever been found.

01:20:37.000 They were like 40,000 plus years old.

01:20:41.000 And there's all these animals, like animal bones in the cave, like bears that don't even exist anymore.

01:20:48.000 Like this crazy cave bear thing.

01:20:51.000 And this guy, Werner Herzog, is the narrator, and he's going over all the artwork and all the different things.

01:20:58.000 And you just think about what it must have been like to live in this era and to be like these people.

01:21:04.000 And you realize, oh my God, these people, this was before the fucking ice age.

01:21:08.000 This was like 40,000 years ago.

01:21:10.000 Like this is before the ice age ended like 10,000-ish years ago.

01:21:14.000 So this was like full-on different world.

01:21:18.000 This was back when North America was covered in ice.

01:21:21.000 This is back when the continents were connected.

01:21:23.000 You could walk from Russia to Alaska.

01:21:26.000 It was all frozen ground.

01:21:29.000 That must have been a weird time.

01:21:30.000 Fuck.

01:21:31.000 Are you kidding me?

01:21:33.000 Dude, people walked here from Russia.

01:21:35.000 Also, not a lot of generational progress.

01:21:37.000 You know, you get the whole generations where your life is pretty much the same as your parents.

01:21:41.000 Yeah.

01:21:42.000 That's a good point.

01:21:43.000 And now, like, there's a decent chance that if I have kids someday, my kids will be on a spaceship at some point in their lives.

01:21:50.000 Yeah, very possibly.

01:21:52.000 If we don't fuck it up.

01:21:54.000 I don't think we will.

01:21:55.000 I think we're on a decent path now.

01:21:57.000 I was really concerned for a few years because it was kind of creepy, all the surveillance stuff.

01:22:02.000 You're not concerned anymore?

01:22:03.000 I mean, I'm still concerned about those things, but I think that now the math is kind of set in our favor.

01:22:08.000 You know, whenever something starts to take off, it happens.

01:22:12.000 The surveillance stuff, the real issue is going to be for them that as technology becomes more and more pervasive, it's going to connect everybody to it.

01:22:24.000 So it's not going to be possible to shield themselves from the impact of that.

01:22:29.000 And in a lot of ways, it's like the internet itself.

01:22:34.000 Like when they made the internet, they didn't really foresee what the potential uses of it were going to be.

01:22:39.000 They used it as a method where they could send information.

01:22:44.000 There was a network that they could connect and send files back and forth to different computers.

01:22:50.000 I mean, that was essentially the original idea behind it.

01:22:53.000 But along the way, they unintentionally engineered the greatest revolution of thought that the human race has ever seen.

01:23:00.000 By far.

01:23:01.000 In my lifetime, I've seen radical changes in the way people view ideas, establish truths, find out information on their phone within seconds, get access to essentially the database of the human race.

01:23:17.000 I mean, this is a big, crazy fucking change.

01:23:21.000 And it happened in our lifetime.

01:23:23.000 It happened really quickly, and it happened because nobody saw it coming.

01:23:26.000 And I think that what they're doing inadvertently by spying on people, by checking everybody's emails, and by checking everybody's text messages, they're inadvertently creating technology that they thought would empower them.

01:23:40.000 They thought this technology is going to allow us to keep an eye on all these no-good troublemakers out there.

01:23:46.000 But what they didn't consider is it's eventually going to grow and expand to the point where it keeps an eye on you too, bitch. 1.00

01:23:53.000 You too.

01:23:54.000 It's going to know you.

01:23:56.000 But we need a firewall.

01:23:57.000 There's no such thing.

01:23:58.000 There's no such thing.

01:23:59.000 We've got nano.

01:24:00.000 There's no firewalls anymore, man.

01:24:01.000 Everybody has access to everything else.

01:24:03.000 So this is what it is.

01:24:05.000 And now everybody knows you're a pedophile.

01:24:07.000 And now everybody knows you're a creep.

01:24:10.000 Now everybody knows the only reason why you got your job is because you bribed such and such and paid off this and that.

01:24:17.000 And you have this really unethical deal with this company that does this to the land.

01:24:22.000 And now you're going to be responsible because you knew that they were poisoning those rivers.

01:24:26.000 And here's all these children that were born with birth defects that live downriver from this, In these small villages, because they didn't have a say, because they didn't have any political representation, and no one had a say at the fucking meeting when you said it was okay to dump toxic slime into the fucking river.

01:24:39.000 All that's going to happen.

01:24:42.000 You're going to be accountable for all crimes against humanity.

01:24:46.000 Anybody who's doing anything that the American public looks at, the worldview looks at, and says, hey, you motherfuckers are profiting off of suffering. 0.81

01:24:55.000 Whether it's doctors that got paid off money to create laws or to help establish laws, to advise on laws that make no sense that eventually wound up getting more people locked up for drug offenses.

01:25:08.000 There's doctors that have been paid off by that.

01:25:10.000 I mean, that was the big thing.

01:25:11.000 Before Sanjay Gupta went, I mean, kind of like completely flipped the switch and went pro-medical marijuana.

01:25:18.000 He was pro-human being and pro-CNN.

01:25:21.000 Well, he was being paid off by pharmaceutical companies.

01:25:23.000 That was like one of the big things that was found out about him.

01:25:26.000 Dr. Drew, same thing.

01:25:27.000 They get paid.

01:25:28.000 They get paid to be consultants.

01:25:29.000 They get paid to give advice.

01:25:30.000 You know, it's so disgusting in 2014 that the state of Florida only lost the medical marijuana thing by a few percentage points.

01:25:38.000 They had to get to 60%, and I think they got around 57%.

01:25:38.000 Yeah.

01:25:42.000 56.

01:25:42.000 56, I think it lost.

01:25:43.000 56, 57%.

01:25:44.000 How sad is that?

01:25:44.000 Because there's so many people in pain in the state of Florida, and they have to go on shit like OxyCotton, which is dangerous, and you'll shit your liver out.

01:25:52.000 Weed, since the time of Jesus, not a single overdose.

01:25:55.000 And they're not giving people access to it.

01:25:57.000 It's just so in your face corrupt, and you're like, well, what is the other reason for it?

01:26:02.000 And there is no other reason.

01:26:03.000 You see, though, it's not corrupt, though.

01:26:05.000 It's just they didn't make it.

01:26:06.000 They didn't do a good job, and they didn't get to the 60% they needed to change the Constitution.

01:26:11.000 That's what it is.

01:26:12.000 It's like it passed as far as public, like 50% of the case.

01:26:16.000 But there was anti-legalization money spent.

01:26:19.000 Of course.

01:26:20.000 There's always going to be.

01:26:21.000 And get ready, old people. 1.00

01:26:23.000 Old people are dumb as fuck and the floor is infested with them. 1.00

01:26:26.000 And they still believe that marijuanas make your fucking feet fall off and your ears go numb and your fucking one eye is going to get.

01:26:33.000 They make the jazz too loud.

01:26:34.000 They make the jazz too loud.

01:26:36.000 They have that.

01:26:36.000 White penises shrink, but black penises actually get larger.

01:26:40.000 They don't know.

01:26:41.000 They think marijuanas.

01:26:44.000 I saw the study.

01:26:46.000 It gives you brain damage.

01:26:47.000 There's always a study that they can somehow or another recall they might have saw on the back page of Us Weekly.

01:26:53.000 Who the fuck knows?

01:26:54.000 It's hard.

01:26:54.000 It's hard getting a bunch of people on board with especially something that they don't have anything to do with.

01:26:59.000 If they're all golfing, I don't want these goddamn kids smoking their pot, trying to get my golfing in.

01:27:04.000 My golf game's picked up, David Sheeman.

01:27:06.000 I don't want a bunch of fucking potheads out here ruining golf for me. 0.99

01:27:10.000 That is the counterpoint.

01:27:12.000 But they were close to 60%, which is what they needed to change the Constitution, the state constitution.

01:27:17.000 I'm sure they'll get it next time around.

01:27:19.000 They should.

01:27:20.000 Four percentage points, four percentage points.

01:27:22.000 It would be really dumb for them financially to ignore the fact that the money is being spent no matter what you do.

01:27:28.000 It's just being spent and it's going into the hand of drug dealers who aren't paying taxes.

01:27:32.000 It's a stupid strategy.

01:27:33.000 Right.

01:27:34.000 Like you're denying people access to money, but the people that are doing it, they're cannibals. 1.00

01:27:40.000 I mean, these people that are the pharmaceutical companies that are so concerned with this marijuana coming in and fucking everything up, they're spending millions and millions of dollars to demonize it.

01:27:51.000 They've donated shitloads of money to a partnership for a drug-free America.

01:27:55.000 All of that is just a strategy to make whatever they're selling have a longer shelf life.

01:28:01.000 If they can keep selling it for two, three, four more years, whatever it is, whatever money grab they're on right now, our studies show we can keep our finger in this dike for up to 16 more months. 0.52

01:28:13.000 I mean, we have 80% old people, and none of them are online, and they're not Googling shit.

01:28:19.000 So let's just tell them that marijuana makes black people go crazy. 1.00

01:28:24.000 It makes them go crazy and start dancing on white people's cars. 0.93

01:28:27.000 Isn't that weird to learn that that is actually the basis for drug policy?

01:28:30.000 It was a racist doctor in Louisiana in the 1930s and then Nixon being insane.

01:28:36.000 Well, it wasn't even Nixon.

01:28:38.000 It was way before Nixon, of course.

01:28:40.000 It was the whole idea was, if you believe the story, was all engineered by William Randolph Hearst in order to sell more.

01:28:48.000 He wanted to make sure that he could sell paper that was made from like trees.

01:28:53.000 Cotton of hair.

01:28:54.000 Well, he had paper.

01:28:57.000 Not only did he own newspaper companies, you know, whatever, newspapers, but he also owned these processing mills and these giant chunks of land that were filled with trees.

01:29:10.000 And he would chop the trees down and turn them in.

01:29:12.000 Well, he was going to have to convert everything to hemp.

01:29:14.000 I mean, hemp was going to be the new paper.

01:29:16.000 It's way better paper.

01:29:18.000 It's amazing to this day that the paper we use on a daily basis is made out of trees because it's the stupidest way to make paper.

01:29:25.000 It takes way too long to generate like acres of trees that are viable that you can chop down and turn into paper.

01:29:32.000 With marijuana, every fucking year you've got a new giant crop.

01:29:36.000 You chop that shit down, you replant it, it grows like a weed because it is a fucking weed.

01:29:41.000 It gets huge really quick.

01:29:43.000 It's fucking ridiculous how fast pot grows.

01:29:46.000 And the paper's far superior.

01:29:48.000 Like the fiber is way stronger.

01:29:50.000 It's light, it's strong.

01:29:52.000 You can make houses with it.

01:29:53.000 You know, it's like they make particle board.

01:29:55.000 It's like this shitty type of plywood and they make it with like little chips of wood from a lumber yard and they glue it all together and press it.

01:30:02.000 When they make that shit with hemp, it's way stronger, way lighter.

01:30:07.000 It's good for clothing too.

01:30:08.000 There's a company in Santa Monica that makes polo shirts and they just they wick much better than a cotton polo shirt.

01:30:15.000 You don't feel as sweaty and gross by the end of the day.

01:30:18.000 It's almost ridiculous how many uses hemp and marijuana have.

01:30:22.000 It's almost ridiculous.

01:30:24.000 When you look at the fact that it's actually an illegal plant in most of the country, even hemp, the non-psychoactive version of it, that it's illegal in most of the country in 2014.

01:30:34.000 This goes back to the status thing.

01:30:35.000 It's like people are in some kind of trance.

01:30:37.000 Like I definitely, like I see the need for laws and roads and everything, but just because something is illegal, you put something on a sheet that says controlled substances, it's completely arbitrary.

01:30:48.000 Nobody outside of the United States even recognizes that.

01:30:51.000 And historically speaking, people have been around for thousands of years and using this plant.

01:30:56.000 So where does that arrogance seep in that you can just put something On a sheet of paper, and suddenly, like everybody's lifestyle has to change, or if they don't, you can put them in a cage.

01:31:05.000 It goes back to what we were talking about before.

01:31:07.000 It's like this all happened because you had like a disconnect between people and the distribution of information.

01:31:15.000 You know, if you stood on top of a platform and said, Hear ye, hear ye, fine people of the town, the king has come forth with the new law, the new law, the states.

01:31:25.000 And you say that, and then the people are left in this helpless state, like, fuck, this is the law.

01:31:29.000 Well, I guess it's the law now.

01:31:31.000 And you don't get a line of communication.

01:31:34.000 And you get this weird sense of separation, like, well, oh, that person is different.

01:31:38.000 He's the king.

01:31:39.000 And he passes law.

01:31:40.000 No, he's a fucking person.

01:31:41.000 They're all just people.

01:31:42.000 And that is what's being exposed.

01:31:45.000 What's being exposed is there's no special.

01:31:47.000 There's just people.

01:31:48.000 Just because you're the president doesn't mean you get to lock people up because they want to smoke pot.

01:31:52.000 Just because you're a judge doesn't mean if I say fuck you to you, it's different than you saying fuck you to me. 1.00

01:31:58.000 It's the same.

01:31:59.000 We're just people.

01:32:00.000 If you say fuck, you shouldn't say fuck you.

01:32:02.000 It's really kind of mean.

01:32:03.000 But it's also mean to say go to hell.

01:32:06.000 It's mean to say, you know, it's mean to say mean things.

01:32:11.000 Everybody knows what the fuck that entails.

01:32:14.000 So this idea that they're more important or they're more valuable or their state of mind is to be looked at with higher regard than yours.

01:32:25.000 They're to be treated with reverence.

01:32:27.000 All rise.

01:32:28.000 The honorable David Seaman has entered the room.

01:32:30.000 And you walk in with your fucking goofy 1500s outfit on.

01:32:35.000 The bib on.

01:32:36.000 And everybody sits down.

01:32:36.000 Please be seated.

01:32:38.000 After you do, of course, you sit first.

01:32:40.000 You're in charge.

01:32:41.000 It's fucking ridiculous.

01:32:43.000 You can gavel.

01:32:44.000 Yeah, and that kind of thinking is very similar to censorship in a way.

01:32:49.000 That it's disempowering and it's frustrating and it's confusing it doesn't make sense.

01:32:53.000 It doesn't ring true.

01:32:54.000 And it's essentially capitalizing on this leftover alpha male primate behavior system that we have stuck in our heads from when we were just trying to survive.

01:33:06.000 We were just trying to get away from predators and get to the highest branches and figure out where the cats couldn't get to us.

01:33:13.000 And so the people that lived the longest were the strongest.

01:33:16.000 Those are the ones you wanted to follow because they're still alive.

01:33:18.000 Follow them and you'll make it.

01:33:19.000 If you don't follow them, you're probably not going to make it.

01:33:21.000 Follow the leader.

01:33:21.000 That's the leader.

01:33:22.000 We've got to get out of here.

01:33:24.000 That shit's still stuck in our DNA.

01:33:26.000 It's still a groove that's been dug into the fucking pathways of our behavior systems.

01:33:32.000 And we're struggling with that.

01:33:34.000 We're still struggling with that.

01:33:36.000 And I think ultimately that's one of the real problems with the idea of a group of people leading millions to war.

01:33:43.000 It's one of the problems with the idea of a group of people dictating how money gets distributed and who gets to say what.

01:33:50.000 All of that is very similar in a way in that we really can't have it anymore.

01:33:56.000 We're too interconnected.

01:33:58.000 We can't accept it.

01:34:00.000 We don't accept it.

01:34:01.000 It's frustrating and it causes dissent.

01:34:04.000 And it's ultimately unfair.

01:34:07.000 And it only exists because it's always existed.

01:34:10.000 If you wanted to refashion our culture, say if something happened, the White House got hit by a meteor, the fucking penthouse got hit by another one.

01:34:19.000 This doesn't make any sense.

01:34:20.000 It's been proven it's from space.

01:34:22.000 But why would they only hit the, you know, like, look, if that did happen and we had no centralized, it would be pretty obvious what their intentions were.

01:34:29.000 Yeah, God would be super pissed.

01:34:31.000 But we had to re-engineer our society.

01:34:35.000 I don't think there's a fucking snowball's chance in hell we would go back to the presidential system.

01:34:41.000 No, it'd be bitcoins and pre-roll joints and just a localized system.

01:34:45.000 It would be, yeah, without a doubt.

01:34:46.000 First thing we do is legalize LSD, psilocybin, DMT, all those things, legalize startup centers.

01:34:53.000 Startup centers where people get your head together, you know, instead of subways, they'll be like, get your head together.

01:34:59.000 And they'll be everywhere.

01:35:00.000 And staffed by professionals.

01:35:03.000 And people always get tired of me saying that.

01:35:05.000 Like, yeah, the drugs are really the answer to everything.

01:35:07.000 No, they're not the answer to everything, but they're the doorway to the answer to everything.

01:35:11.000 And there is no answer to everything, by the way.

01:35:13.000 But they're a real good indicator of whether or not you're on the right track.

01:35:17.000 They're a prerequisite.

01:35:19.000 Like, after I did something over the summer and had some interesting experiences, one of my old friends said, congratulations on becoming a human being, which I thought was a little patronizing at first, but then I was thinking about it and I was like, yeah, actually, when you're an adult and you hit your late 20s or early 30s, if you haven't had any kind of altered states like that, it's just your loss.

01:35:39.000 You can totally live your life out to the fullest without any of that stuff, but you have avoided something that was incredibly beautiful and different and would let you see things in a different way.

01:35:49.000 And everybody who has that experience, they come back to Earth, so to speak, as a different person.

01:35:55.000 Like if you look online and you search for Steve Jobs' LSD quote, you can see one of the top results is what he had to say about that.

01:36:04.000 You wouldn't necessarily guess this unless you read his biography.

01:36:07.000 He was a big advocate of psychedelics.

01:36:09.000 I mean, Steve Jobs.

01:36:10.000 But he wasn't a regular user, which I found fascinating.

01:36:12.000 He used it 10 or 15 times.

01:36:14.000 Yeah, but it stopped.

01:36:15.000 It stopped for a long time.

01:36:16.000 Yeah, I mean, it wasn't like he was using it towards the end of his life.

01:36:19.000 Well, it's like Alan Watts says.

01:36:20.000 Alan Watts said, if you get the message, hang up the receiver, hang up the phone.

01:36:26.000 Which I think is a great way of thinking about it in some ways.

01:36:28.000 You know, like I got Steve Jobs got whatever he needed.

01:36:30.000 Right, but isn't it arrogant to think that you've already got the message?

01:36:33.000 Maybe a little.

01:36:34.000 Yeah, I've never felt like any psychedelic experience.

01:36:38.000 My latest one was just a month ago, or a couple months ago, right before I filmed my special.

01:36:43.000 So as I guess it was August.

01:36:45.000 And I didn't feel like I got the message.

01:36:49.000 I felt like, oh, I got another message.

01:36:51.000 You know, it was interesting.

01:36:53.000 It was definitely enlightening or illuminating.

01:36:56.000 It definitely caused me to stop.

01:36:59.000 And I think about it every day.

01:37:01.000 I think about it all the time.

01:37:02.000 But I would never be so cocky as to say, I got the message.

01:37:08.000 Every time I do it, I feel like there's a new message or a new connection that I'm making or a new level of the game that my mind gets access to.

01:37:18.000 Well, here's what's cocky is to be somebody who's never touched any of these things and you go, it can't possibly have value for other people.

01:37:25.000 And it's like, well, how do you know that?

01:37:27.000 Especially if, you know.

01:37:28.000 That's a trap.

01:37:29.000 Like you and I were talking before we started rolling Lisa Ling's documentary, which aired on CNN about the ayahuasca ceremonies in South America.

01:37:40.000 My mom had it on DVR, and so when I went home for Thanksgiving, she was like, oh, do you want to watch the documentary?

01:37:45.000 And I put it on, and I was expecting it to be the typical CNN take on psychedelics.

01:37:53.000 And then she started talking about this young boy who died down there.

01:37:55.000 And I was like, oh, great.

01:37:56.000 That's going to be the focus of the whole fucking hour is this idiot.

01:38:00.000 But as it turned out, it was an incredibly fair take.

01:38:03.000 And it followed the experience of some Marines who had post-traumatic PTSD really bad, like to the extent that they couldn't be around other people because they were afraid of harming those people.

01:38:13.000 Wow.

01:38:14.000 And you can see the transformation take place.

01:38:16.000 They become more peaceful and more self-aware.

01:38:19.000 And that's not even the whole thing.

01:38:21.000 They're just filming a little portion of it for the documentary.

01:38:24.000 Some of these guys are doing it repeatedly.

01:38:26.000 Really interesting stuff.

01:38:27.000 Like, I don't see how, if you're one of those people who's like, this should be walled off from everybody, if there's medical benefit happening, why not?

01:38:35.000 Well, those people that should be walled off, why?

01:38:38.000 Why?

01:38:38.000 Where's the bodies?

01:38:39.000 What's going on?

01:38:40.000 Where's everybody?

01:38:41.000 This one kid died.

01:38:42.000 First of all, no one has any idea where that kid died from.

01:38:45.000 And don't travel shady towns in South America by yourself as a little teenager asking, where's the ayahuasca?

01:38:50.000 How do I get high out of my mind?

01:38:52.000 Somebody's going to take advantage of you.

01:38:53.000 Who knows?

01:38:54.000 Who knows if that's what happened?

01:38:55.000 I really don't know.

01:38:56.000 That was the TLDR of what happened.

01:38:58.000 Was that?

01:38:58.000 No, I'm just making it.

01:39:00.000 But did somebody do something to him?

01:39:01.000 Did they prove it?

01:39:02.000 I don't know if they proved it.

01:39:03.000 They just found a body.

01:39:04.000 They found a body.

01:39:05.000 Right.

01:39:05.000 He might have been murdered.

01:39:07.000 We really don't know.

01:39:08.000 And this idea that you have to do it in South America only exists because it's illegal in America.

01:39:13.000 That's what's stupid.

01:39:14.000 You could be doing it at Columbia University if they would take some of these things off of Schedule I. Yeah, if you do DMT, you're essentially doing the most potent form of the drug that's in ayahuasca if you smoke it.

01:39:25.000 And when you do that, you don't need to be anywhere.

01:39:28.000 You just need to be somewhere where you sit down.

01:39:30.000 It doesn't matter where you are.

01:39:31.000 You're going somewhere else.

01:39:32.000 You're going to another fucking dimension.

01:39:36.000 It's not like something like you have to be in South America to hit that spot.

01:39:39.000 Like, no, it's right here.

01:39:40.000 It's like, you get there in 15 seconds.

01:39:43.000 It's not far away at all.

01:39:45.000 The most disturbing aspect of it is the accessibility.

01:39:49.000 Once you smoke it, the accessibility of this other dimension is so bizarre.

01:39:53.000 I mean, probably even more intense if you do it in this ancient indigenous environment. 0.80

01:39:59.000 You're in the jungle and you're freaking out in South America.

01:40:02.000 Somebody's blowing smoke on you in Chantal.

01:40:03.000 You're hearing fucking jaguars and shit.

01:40:05.000 I can't wait to try that out sometime.

01:40:07.000 It's going to be interesting.

01:40:08.000 There's places that are doing it now in California.

01:40:11.000 There's places that are doing it in the mountains.

01:40:14.000 Well, I might go the budget route then to California.

01:40:17.000 Well, you have to worry about some things happening everywhere you go.

01:40:21.000 Especially you go someplace and you have to trust all these people and you're getting blasted out of your mind.

01:40:27.000 But when you think about how many people are doing it now and you think about how many bad reports are coming back, it's fairly low.

01:40:35.000 With women, they have to worry more. 1.00

01:40:37.000 Because I know Amber Lyon, she had an issue with a guy that was grabbing her while she was under, who was a shaman who had to flee the scene, apparently.

01:40:47.000 He had done that to other women as well.

01:40:50.000 If you're a woman, you have to worry about that kind of shit, about some creepy dude who's doing weird things to people when they're under. 0.97

01:40:57.000 And I guess you would have to worry about that as a dude, too, you know, if you got the wrong shaman.

01:41:02.000 You don't want to wake up without a couple of organs, you know?

01:41:04.000 Well, you know what it is, it's become a popular thing.

01:41:07.000 And when it's become a popular thing, there's going to be people that want to capitalize on that.

01:41:11.000 There's so much money involved.

01:41:13.000 These ayahuasca tours, people are doing them and they're, you know, every person's spending thousands of dollars and you're getting, you know, 20 people a trip and woohoo, we're fucking raking it in.

01:41:22.000 Well, in the CNN documentary, they were interviewing one of the local white experts and he was saying, don't buy this stuff at the marketplaces because you just don't know what's in it.

01:41:30.000 You know, it's some person trying to make money off of you as a tourist.

01:41:34.000 That's not the authentic experience, you know?

01:41:36.000 Yeah, that definitely can happen.

01:41:38.000 But the idea that you have to go all the way to South America for an experience that should be legal everywhere in the world is fucking stupid.

01:41:46.000 It's mind-numbingly stupid.

01:41:48.000 It makes me angry.

01:41:50.000 It's so stupid that we have to go to these countries that have different laws because in this patch of dirt, they could lock you up.

01:41:56.000 And ayahuasca is a weird gray area, too, because it's not totally illegal.

01:42:00.000 It's not legal, but it's not illegal.

01:42:02.000 See, you're not extracting it.

01:42:03.000 If you extract DMT from the same plants that make ayahuasca and you do the powdered form of it, which you have to smoke to get into your bloodstream, that's illegal.

01:42:13.000 That's Schedule I drug.

01:42:14.000 See, the fact that you're a fan of the drug.

01:42:16.000 But hold on a second, but all the plants that comprise ayahuasca, when you mix them together, they're all legal on their own.

01:42:24.000 And combining them together, they're still legal.

01:42:27.000 But the drug that you're actually drinking is illegal.

01:42:30.000 So it's a very gray area because they don't have laws on all the different plants.

01:42:34.000 There's so many fucking plants, and it's not exactly an extraction.

01:42:38.000 It's not like a chemical extraction.

01:42:40.000 You know, it's like you're making a stew.

01:42:43.000 Yeah, it just, it strikes me as so disingenuous how people have to sneak around like that and deal with the, you know, specific the nuances of the law.

01:42:56.000 Like, it just shows you how dishonest the government is.

01:42:58.000 It should be, like, if you're paying your taxes and you're not staging some kind of insurrection at a Walmart and you're not a threat to anybody, you should be left the fuck alone.

01:43:07.000 And that should include, like, you should have access to certain mind-expanding substances.

01:43:13.000 You will.

01:43:13.000 You will more now than ever before, more five years from now than now.

01:43:19.000 It's on the way.

01:43:20.000 There's no way you could stop it at this point in time.

01:43:22.000 Too many people are talking about the positive benefits of it.

01:43:25.000 They're doing stories on CNN about it.

01:43:27.000 And much like marijuana has become accepted slowly but surely across the country, well, I don't care if they do it, just keep it away from me.

01:43:34.000 There's a lot of that going on.

01:43:35.000 There's a lot of, well, let those fucking dopers have it, but this is this way we're getting tax money from it. 1.00

01:43:40.000 That's how I feel about almost everything.

01:43:41.000 Like, yeah, let them do it.

01:43:42.000 Just keep it away from me.

01:43:43.000 Like, why isn't that the approach to almost anything that's not harmful?

01:43:46.000 Well, it should be.

01:43:47.000 It's just like it should be legal to tattoo your face.

01:43:50.000 You know, if you really want to put stars all over your forehead, what the fuck is supposed to stop you?

01:43:53.000 Do whatever you want.

01:43:54.000 I don't advise it, but when you're talking about things like marijuana or psychedelics or LSD, There's a long history of people that have stories of the positive benefits of these experiences.

01:44:05.000 So, to deny those from people and to deny it without any personal experience of those drugs on your own is just ridiculous because you don't know what you're making illegal.

01:44:15.000 Like, you're listening to what?

01:44:18.000 You're listening to folk stories about powder that steals your soul?

01:44:23.000 Like, what are you basing this on?

01:44:25.000 What are you basing it on?

01:44:26.000 It's a Scheduled One drug.

01:44:28.000 Schedule I drug that your liver makes?

01:44:31.000 A Schedule I drug that's made in your fucking lungs? 0.98

01:44:34.000 A Schedule I drug that's made by your pineal glands.

01:44:37.000 It's all a little silly.

01:44:38.000 Yeah, come on. 0.77

01:44:39.000 Your body's making drugs.

01:44:41.000 Schedule one drugs that you can get arrested for.

01:44:43.000 Your body makes them.

01:44:44.000 Your body's a drug dealer.

01:44:45.000 Your body's a fucking whore. 1.00

01:44:46.000 With intent to distribute.

01:44:49.000 It's dumb.

01:44:50.000 And it's only allowed because it's been allowed for a long time.

01:44:54.000 If we had to start from scratch today and make an appraisal over what is dangerous and not dangerous for society, we'd have to have a serious consideration about prescription drugs and a serious consideration about alcohol.

01:45:04.000 Those are the really big ones.

01:45:06.000 We'd have to really look at the numbers of people that die every year from prescription drugs, and they're very problematic.

01:45:12.000 They're huge.

01:45:13.000 The amount of people that get addicted to prescription drugs, very, very problematic.

01:45:17.000 The amount of people that just want prescription drugs, they ask for them.

01:45:20.000 They complain about pains that might not even be there.

01:45:23.000 They exaggerate pains.

01:45:24.000 They might have psychological issues.

01:45:26.000 There's people with legitimate physical ailments, but there's a lot of crazy people out there hopped up on fucking pain pills too, and they're dying.

01:45:33.000 They're dropping like flies, thousands and thousands of them every year.

01:45:37.000 You know, we thought 9-11 was a big deal.

01:45:40.000 You know, 9-11 was awful.

01:45:41.000 3,000 people died.

01:45:43.000 It's like 100,000 people die every year from drugs and alcohol.

01:45:46.000 It's like alcohol overdoses are like something around 90,000.

01:45:50.000 I think prescription drugs, what is the prescription drug deaths, if you had a guess, let's just guess.

01:45:55.000 Add tobacco in, you go up by like 400,000, right?

01:45:57.000 Oh, yeah, you go up by maybe even as much as half a million just in North America alone.

01:46:02.000 How many would you think prescription drug deaths every year?

01:46:05.000 Let's guess.

01:46:06.000 You said 100,000?

01:46:07.000 I said 100,000 with alcohol.

01:46:09.000 Oh, with alcohol.

01:46:10.000 I'm going to go with 20,000 just from prescriptions.

01:46:14.000 Jamie, what do you think?

01:46:15.000 If you had to say.

01:46:17.000 I was going to say way more, but 100,000 does sound like a lot, so I'll go with 50.

01:46:22.000 Just to undercut it.

01:46:23.000 Yeah, I'm saying it's probably going to be around 25,000.

01:46:29.000 Let's see.

01:46:30.000 Fact sheet.

01:46:30.000 Prescription drug overdose in the United States fact sheet.

01:46:37.000 Each day in the United States, 114 people die from drug overdoses.

01:46:43.000 Another 6,748 are treated in emergency departments.

01:46:48.000 That's amazing.

01:46:49.000 So out of 7,000, less than 7,000, 6,900, 6,800 plus people that overdose.

01:47:01.000 So only 114 people die.

01:47:03.000 Every day, though.

01:47:04.000 Yeah, that's pretty impressive, though.

01:47:06.000 Good job, doctors.

01:47:08.000 Versus marijuana, zero deaths per day from.

01:47:12.000 Well, no one's arguing that, but it's pretty high.

01:47:16.000 That's 314 people a day out of 300 days.

01:47:22.000 What is that?

01:47:26.000 In 2012, 22,000 drug overdose deaths were related to pharmaceuticals.

01:47:35.000 41,000 drug overdose deaths total.

01:47:39.000 So I don't know what that means.

01:47:41.000 So 22,000 in 2012 were pharmaceutical drugs.

01:47:46.000 And then there was another slightly less than 20,000 that was something else.

01:47:50.000 I don't know who the fuck they were.

01:47:54.000 It's a lot of people, though, dude.

01:47:56.000 It is.

01:47:58.000 In 2011, 1.4 million people had visited the emergency room for non-medical use of pharmaceuticals.

01:48:11.000 Wow, so people misusing their descriptions.

01:48:14.000 They freaked out and went to the emergency room.

01:48:16.000 Non-medicinal use.

01:48:18.000 You know, they borrowed some of these pills.

01:48:21.000 Yeah.

01:48:23.000 We're weird, man.

01:48:25.000 It's weird how much people need to change their state.

01:48:27.000 I mean, even we're talking about, you know, ayahuasca being able to help people and psychedelic drugs being able to show people new states of consciousness and new ways of being.

01:48:37.000 It's just fucking really weird that human beings need that, that we need to alter our perception like that.

01:48:43.000 Like, what a weird animal.

01:48:46.000 Like, an animal that alters its perception by what it puts into its body.

01:48:50.000 Like, it doesn't just exist like, say, like, a cheetah or a bear or an eagle.

01:48:57.000 No, we exist and we change.

01:48:58.000 We move.

01:49:00.000 I think we know how important consciousness is.

01:49:02.000 Oh, yeah.

01:49:03.000 Well, we're the only ones that can communicate.

01:49:05.000 Like, even this conversation, I can confidently say, at least on my end, would not be as good without drinking all this coffee.

01:49:10.000 So, you know, I'm making use of chemicals right now.

01:49:13.000 Yeah, and marijuana.

01:49:15.000 A little bit of marijuana.

01:49:16.000 Maybe a little bit.

01:49:17.000 Marijuana.

01:49:18.000 Yeah.

01:49:19.000 We love to change our state.

01:49:21.000 I mean, a few animals do.

01:49:23.000 Some animals drink like fermented juices and stuff like that.

01:49:26.000 Monkeys get drunk, right?

01:49:27.000 Yeah, they'll find like berries and things that have been fermented, fruits that are fermented, and they'll drink that and they'll get fucked up.

01:49:35.000 Yeah, people have this weird desire to change their state.

01:49:39.000 But also, I think that, you know, we look at what that is.

01:49:43.000 Oh, you're drinking booze.

01:49:45.000 Oh, you're doing this.

01:49:46.000 But what you're essentially doing when you're changing your state is you're using technology.

01:49:52.000 You're using information that has been passed on from generation to generation where people figured out techniques to do like a pharmacological intervention on your consciousness.

01:50:05.000 We figured out a way to combine this with that, the way to fucking take the grapes and you smash them and then you stuff in a barrel and you let it sit for six.

01:50:12.000 All this was all like concocted.

01:50:15.000 These are all like solutions to dealing with the problems of the ego, the problems of mundane consciousness, and the problems of like getting stuck in patterns.

01:50:26.000 Where when you, even just getting drunk, getting drunk sometimes will reset a pattern and like make you look at things in a better way.

01:50:34.000 Like you could have like a bad breakup.

01:50:36.000 You go out with your friends, you get drunk, and you're like, I'll be fine.

01:50:39.000 You crash, lie in your bed, your head's fucking spinning, your bed spins, or you wake up in the morning, your head's throbbing. 0.68

01:50:45.000 But you had a bit of a change of perception.

01:50:50.000 You use that shamanic ritual of going out and getting hammered and doing shots with your friends to bond and to have an altered state of perception, an altered state of how you view the world.

01:51:04.000 Yeah, I think people have that all the time.

01:51:07.000 Like, I actually, I like the inception aspect of doing mind-altering substances, where if you can change the way you think about something, it actually does, this sounds a little trippy, but it changes physical reality because then you start to act in this new way.

01:51:23.000 People pick up on it.

01:51:24.000 They go, huh, this is working out for David Seaman.

01:51:26.000 Maybe I'll act in this new way and be less of this kind of person.

01:51:30.000 It just kind of becomes contagious.

01:51:32.000 And the example of that that I had recently was going through a TSA checkpoint already extremely high just to see kind of how I dealt with it.

01:51:41.000 And first of all, all of that kind of pressure just fades away.

01:51:45.000 So when I was like taking out my wallet, I was like sorting through my cards and like just taking my sweet ass time, you know, like totally oblivious of the fact that there's like this machine there that's trying to keep you, you know, just moving forward and everything's so secure and we're, you know, we're screening people out.

01:52:00.000 And what I noticed was that this is really all just one big ritual.

01:52:04.000 It's like the shaman patting you on the head before you go into the hut.

01:52:08.000 You're just trying to make people not be terrified before they enter an airport.

01:52:12.000 Like you're in the safe zone now.

01:52:14.000 And once I had that realization that all of this is fucking theater, that they're not really trying to oppress you.

01:52:19.000 They're just trying to do this thing very quickly to make people feel like they've been screened.

01:52:24.000 Yeah, there's definitely that.

01:52:26.000 So for whatever reason, it made the animosity that I had retained go away because I saw that like all of my anger over the inefficiencies of the surveillance state and that stuff, these fucking people asking me to take off my shoes are just workers.

01:52:42.000 And in fact, I can have fun with them.

01:52:44.000 We can have a good time.

01:52:45.000 We can be friendly.

01:52:46.000 We don't have to be dicks about it.

01:52:48.000 Yeah.

01:52:49.000 I mean, it's unfortunate that we think that we need something like that.

01:52:54.000 Well, it is incredibly wasteful.

01:52:56.000 It's ridiculous.

01:52:57.000 Because all of the medicine is happening behind the scenes.

01:53:00.000 It's intelligence.

01:53:01.000 They know before you enter that airport if you're a threat or not.

01:53:04.000 At least they should.

01:53:05.000 And take off your belt and take off your shoes.

01:53:07.000 That does nothing.

01:53:08.000 My favorite thing about going through the TSA is when they break character.

01:53:12.000 You know, like you have a lot of urban folk working there.

01:53:16.000 And there's three of them the other day.

01:53:18.000 And they're like, sir, put your belt into the basket.

01:53:21.000 Make sure to check your phone.

01:53:23.000 Do you have any keys in your pockets?

01:53:24.000 Any change?

01:53:25.000 Okay, step up.

01:53:26.000 And everyone's being, sir, ma'am.

01:53:28.000 And then in the middle of all this, they break out into, I told that motherfucker, he got, no, that shit ain't going to work over here.

01:53:37.000 That shit ain't going to work over here.

01:53:39.000 And I was there when you told him.

01:53:41.000 And they're like going back and forth.

01:53:43.000 Sir, sir, do you take your cell phone off, please?

01:53:45.000 Put it in the back.

01:53:45.000 And like, so they have this brief moment where they cracked.

01:53:48.000 They were laughing and joking around with each other.

01:53:51.000 Not just humanity, but who they really are.

01:53:53.000 And then they go back to this robot voice.

01:53:55.000 And I'm like, oh, you're just regular people that are working inside this machine and you got to talk machine talk.

01:54:00.000 You know, please take your shoes off, put them in the baskets.

01:54:04.000 If you have a laptop, take it out of its case, put it on a tray by itself.

01:54:09.000 No liquids, no gels.

01:54:11.000 That's just all part of the ceremony.

01:54:12.000 They're doing the ceremony for you.

01:54:16.000 They're workers, man.

01:54:17.000 It's a shit job, too, man.

01:54:19.000 A bunch of people who don't want to be there and listening to you.

01:54:22.000 You got to fucking tell them what to do.

01:54:24.000 Check their fucking ID.

01:54:25.000 Make sure they're not wearing a turban with a bomb under it. 0.99

01:54:28.000 Make you walk through the fifth element body scanner thing.

01:54:31.000 That thing's pretty weird.

01:54:32.000 Yeah, it's some sort of a radio wave, too, right?

01:54:36.000 It's like millimeter wave.

01:54:37.000 Checking you for things.

01:54:41.000 It's just sad when you see like old people go through it. 1.00

01:54:44.000 You see like some old dude with a terrible hunch in his back and he's going to get out of his wheelchair and shuffle over and stand there.

01:54:51.000 I watched some lady the other day do it. 1.00

01:54:53.000 I didn't think she was going to be able to get out of her wheelchair and they made her walk through that stupid fucking thing and hold her hands up. 1.00

01:54:59.000 It's like, do you really think you're dealing with a terrorist here?

01:55:01.000 Is this what this is?

01:55:02.000 A terrorist with osteoporosis who can barely walk?

01:55:06.000 That's a threat?

01:55:07.000 It makes me sad when I see, makes me more sad when I see kids go through it versus old people because they're growing up only knowing that stuff. 1.00

01:55:14.000 Yeah, and they get patted down.

01:55:15.000 Shit, I've seen that.

01:55:16.000 I've seen kids get patted down too.

01:55:18.000 I mean, I guess the idea is you don't know who the fucking terrorists are, but come on.

01:55:26.000 The numbers we're dealing with are giant.

01:55:28.000 The numbers, when it comes to things actually happening versus people actually flying, my God, there's a lot of fucking people flying.

01:55:35.000 Flying is one of the safest, one of the single safest things you can do.

01:55:38.000 In a lot of ways.

01:55:39.000 I mean, it still doesn't feel like it.

01:55:42.000 You're flying through the fucking airplane.

01:55:43.000 It really doesn't.

01:55:46.000 Did you hear about the lady who got kicked off of an airplane because of her emotional support pig? 1.00

01:55:52.000 I think I saw that online.

01:55:53.000 Her pig was freaking out on the plane. 1.00

01:55:55.000 She has a fucking pig. 1.00

01:55:56.000 This crazy lady's flying with a pig, and the pig lost its shit on the plane and starts squeaking and squealing. 1.00

01:56:02.000 It didn't want to be there.

01:56:03.000 It was the pig's first flight.

01:56:04.000 And so they kicked her off the plane.

01:56:06.000 Well, good.

01:56:07.000 I think if you're bringing something like that on a plane and it's distracting people.

01:56:10.000 Yeah, fuck off with all this emotional support animals.

01:56:14.000 It's so stupid.

01:56:15.000 There's a restaurant that I go to, and this actress shows up all the time, and she brings a fucking dog with her, brings a dog to the restaurant, and they have to. 1.00

01:56:22.000 The restaurant has to accept the fact that this lady's dog is an emotional support dog.

01:56:27.000 This dirty, stupid animal.

01:56:30.000 And I love animals, and I love dogs.

01:56:32.000 I love them.

01:56:32.000 I have two dogs.

01:56:33.000 But you shouldn't be able to get a picture of them.

01:56:34.000 What you're saying is that dog isn't a psychiatrist.

01:56:39.000 You shouldn't be able to get away with that loophole.

01:56:41.000 The idea that you're so fucked up that you can't be without your dog while you eat.

01:56:46.000 There's hygiene issues that we're bypassing hygiene issues for one person's selfishness. 1.00

01:56:51.000 Their selfishness and their emotions.

01:56:53.000 I don't know what your dog's been stepping in.

01:56:56.000 I don't know what your dog's butt's going to touch that maybe someone's hand's going to touch.

01:57:01.000 There's a lot of weird shit going on when you have an open asshole of a dog.

01:57:06.000 It's sitting on the ground where people accidentally might drop their fork.

01:57:10.000 They might not know.

01:57:11.000 The next person might be there and they drop their fork right where your dog's butthole was resting on that fucking wooden floor. 1.00

01:57:16.000 A little scoop dog asshole. 1.00

01:57:18.000 Stupid.

01:57:19.000 And it's selfishness.

01:57:20.000 It's indicative of a culture of people that want the rules to bend in their favor.

01:57:25.000 Because I need to be with my dog.

01:57:28.000 Like, oh, you can't bring your dog to a restaurant.

01:57:30.000 It's like people that got upset when the whole cigarette smoking thing and bars got passed.

01:57:36.000 This is bullshit.

01:57:36.000 when I go to a bar, I like going to a bar and having a drink and having a fucking smoke.

01:57:40.000 And now I got to go outside.

01:57:43.000 Everybody shouldn't have to smell your smoke, you dumbass.

01:57:46.000 They shouldn't have to breathe this stupid air that you've created by sucking on some chemical-soaked leaves that poison everybody around you.

01:57:55.000 Yeah, that's not cool.

01:57:56.000 Just because everybody let you do it for so long doesn't mean it's good.

01:58:00.000 That's a perfect example of something where if it didn't exist, you could never invent it.

01:58:06.000 Like, you could never invent smoking in bars.

01:58:09.000 If it didn't exist already, you couldn't fucking invent that.

01:58:15.000 Everybody else has to smoke it too?

01:58:16.000 Yeah, it's a new product, and it kills you.

01:58:20.000 I'm planning on killing about a half million people a year.

01:58:22.000 It's really expensive.

01:58:23.000 It's taxed heavily.

01:58:24.000 Smells awful.

01:58:25.000 Your teeth are going to turn yellow.

01:58:27.000 Your liver is going to fall out of your body.

01:58:30.000 Sorry.

01:58:32.000 Your lungs are going to go black.

01:58:33.000 You won't be able to walk upstairs anymore.

01:58:35.000 But you look like a rebel.

01:58:37.000 You'll look cool as fuck.

01:58:40.000 Sign me up.

01:58:42.000 It's just weird when I see kids still smoking.

01:58:44.000 I saw a 14-year-old kid the other day smoking, trying to look cool.

01:58:47.000 Just hold your cigarette.

01:58:48.000 I was like, you fucking dummy.

01:58:50.000 How do you not know?

01:58:51.000 Like, you've got to know.

01:58:53.000 But they don't care.

01:58:54.000 They just, in their desire to look cool, in their desire to be upset.

01:58:58.000 That's like another thing about smoking cigarettes.

01:59:00.000 People love to smoke cigarettes because it almost like justifies their shitty attitude.

01:59:05.000 They love to do this like, sit back and look, I'm willing to fucking suck on this cigarette to try to calm me down because we got to get these fucking orders filled out.

01:59:16.000 You know, like there's this idea that I'm busy.

01:59:18.000 I'm working.

01:59:19.000 I don't even care about my body.

01:59:22.000 God, I got a lot of problems.

01:59:24.000 God, I got a lot of stress.

01:59:25.000 It's like it reinforces this ridiculous life.

01:59:29.000 This ridiculous life of stress.

01:59:31.000 This ridiculous life of just trying to like, God, got so much work to do.

01:59:36.000 That Bukowski anxiety.

01:59:40.000 Just the fucking life.

01:59:43.000 Just the insane pattern that you're stuck in.

01:59:48.000 Getting up in the morning, having a couple with your cup of coffee, putting a cigarette in your mouth when you're running out the door.

01:59:55.000 Lighting that bitch up, driving around, throwing it out the window as you're driving down the highway, lighting up another one, you fuckhead. 1.00

02:00:03.000 That's us.

02:00:04.000 People.

02:00:05.000 Goofy as shit.

02:00:06.000 They get extra work breaks, too, for smoking.

02:00:09.000 And it becomes an issue.

02:00:10.000 What do you mean they get extra work breaks?

02:00:12.000 I shouldn't say they get.

02:00:13.000 Some workplaces.

02:00:15.000 They allow people extra work breaks if you smoke?

02:00:17.000 Because they'll become irritated and become Yeah.

02:00:20.000 Oh, and non-smokers get pissed.

02:00:22.000 That's crazy.

02:00:23.000 And in restaurants, it's a big thing because a lot of servers are smokers. 0.96

02:00:25.000 It's just a lifestyle for a young person.

02:00:28.000 It becomes a huge issue a lot of times.

02:00:30.000 Wow.

02:00:33.000 That's weird that employers would sort of bend to that.

02:00:38.000 Because if you can hold it in when you're flying on a flight from LA to New York, obviously you have to.

02:00:44.000 How come you can't hold it in while you're working?

02:00:46.000 Like, obviously you can.

02:00:48.000 Oh, it's so convenient for you.

02:00:50.000 Are you going to be okay?

02:00:51.000 No, you have to step outside and everybody else has to carry your load while you're out there killing yourself slowly.

02:00:56.000 Well, you would be the least favorite bar back, probably.

02:00:59.000 Yeah.

02:01:00.000 Can you imagine?

02:01:00.000 Oh, my God.

02:01:01.000 Well, they probably all do it.

02:01:02.000 That's the thing about dive bars. 0.97

02:01:04.000 It's probably a good percentage of people that are killing themselves slowly together.

02:01:08.000 It's a team effort right there.

02:01:09.000 There used to be places that violated California's law when they first came out.

02:01:09.000 Yeah.

02:01:13.000 There was a few places that were allowing people to still smoke.

02:01:16.000 They didn't give a fuck, but they just got heavy fines and they eventually gave up.

02:01:21.000 They have a smoker patio still, though, right?

02:01:23.000 Which is just as gross.

02:01:25.000 You know, if you want to be outside.

02:01:26.000 In Ohio, they built rooms in a lot of places, like a permanent tent on the outside with heaters and whatnot.

02:01:32.000 It just became an extension of their neighborhood.

02:01:38.000 Makes sense.

02:01:39.000 But are you allowed to smoke other things out there, like cigars or a pipe out there with a fucking shillali?

02:01:45.000 Yes.

02:01:45.000 I think so.

02:01:46.000 A big Sherlock pipe.

02:01:48.000 Pontificate about the universe.

02:01:50.000 There's a steakhouse in New York City, Keene's Steakhouse.

02:01:53.000 You ever been there?

02:01:54.000 The largest pipe collection.

02:01:54.000 Yes.

02:01:56.000 What is up with those pipes?

02:01:56.000 All of the walls.

02:01:56.000 Yeah.

02:01:58.000 You know, the old pipes from the whenever, like the late 1800s.

02:02:02.000 Well, don't the pipes like represent people that came there?

02:02:04.000 Yeah, they would own their own pipes.

02:02:06.000 So when, like, they have a pipe that was owned by Teddy Roosevelt, one owned by, I think, Mark Twain.

02:02:12.000 Just all these ridiculous people would come in and they would request their pipe, smoke it at dinner.

02:02:16.000 I think Einstein had a pipe there.

02:02:18.000 That's crazy.

02:02:19.000 See if there's any photos of people smoking their pipes at that place because I always wonder like that, do they smoke those pipes?

02:02:26.000 Or are those pipes just like, you know, like a brass hat that you like pinned to the wall?

02:02:31.000 This is David Seaman's hat.

02:02:33.000 I think back in the day, those fuckers smoked them because.

02:02:35.000 I wonder.

02:02:36.000 Look at that.

02:02:36.000 They're all over the place.

02:02:38.000 It used to be men's only.

02:02:39.000 I was watching it on TV.

02:02:41.000 Until like 1905 or something.

02:02:41.000 Good old days.

02:02:43.000 It was a men's club.

02:02:44.000 Good old days, Dave.

02:02:45.000 Go there.

02:02:45.000 No broads.

02:02:46.000 Big piece of steak.

02:02:47.000 Have a fucking meal and smoke a pipe.

02:02:51.000 The good old days.

02:02:52.000 But anyway, a woman sued them, some actress, back in 19-something, and then they opened it up to everybody.

02:02:57.000 Well, you know, didn't they do that recently with that curves joint? 0.81

02:03:01.000 The women's only gym.

02:03:04.000 Did a guy want to join curves?

02:03:05.000 Yeah, I'm pretty sure a guy got upset and decided to.

02:03:08.000 Bro, I want to join curves.

02:03:09.000 What?

02:03:09.000 I want curves.

02:03:11.000 I think my hips are too narrow.

02:03:12.000 I want to learn your exercises.

02:03:14.000 I want to be a part of your gym.

02:03:17.000 Be a part of curves.

02:03:18.000 I think it was ruled that if you can't have a men's only club, you can't have a women's only club either, which is...

02:03:29.000 Whatever.

02:03:30.000 Who gives a fuck?

02:03:30.000 Why do you want to bother women?

02:03:33.000 Leave them alone.

02:03:34.000 Same thing with women bothering men. 1.00

02:03:35.000 You don't want to get into Pilates class on Saturdays?

02:03:38.000 Pilates is you could get in there.

02:03:40.000 But they have all women's Pilates.

02:03:41.000 They're allowed to have all women's classes in places, you know, because, especially, like when you're dealing with exercise, some women don't want to be fucking oggled by some shithead behind them while you're doing downward dog. 1.00

02:03:52.000 For sure.

02:03:53.000 You know, that makes sense.

02:03:54.000 But my point is, why would you want to go where you're not wanted?

02:03:57.000 You know, we're not talking about whites only or blacks only.

02:04:01.000 We're talking about people that fuck.

02:04:04.000 When you're dealing with men and women, you're dealing with sex. 0.98

02:04:07.000 And we're dealing with sex.

02:04:08.000 People should be allowed to get the fuck away to have an area where no one's trying to fuck you. 1.00

02:04:16.000 Like have like a free base.

02:04:18.000 Like I'm free here.

02:04:20.000 Like this is safe.

02:04:21.000 This is a safe base.

02:04:23.000 And like for a man to get upset, like women want to have a place where men aren't allowed to go seems ridiculous.

02:04:30.000 And for women to get upset, unless men are plotting women's doom behind those doors, like why would you care?

02:04:36.000 Why do you want to be in that room where they only want it to be men? 1.00

02:04:38.000 Why do you want to go in there?

02:04:40.000 Because they got really good steak and pipes in the case of Keynes.

02:04:43.000 You can't keep that away from women forever. 1.00

02:04:45.000 So that means that they got to go there before they got to vote.

02:04:49.000 Because when did women get to vote? 1.00

02:04:50.000 That's a good point.

02:04:51.000 I think the teens, right, like 1915 or something?

02:04:55.000 Something along those lines.

02:04:55.000 You might have to look that one up.

02:04:57.000 So Keynes gave in before they're more progressive than our country was about choosing the president.

02:05:04.000 In some ways, that steakhouse is more progressive than any other part of America.

02:05:07.000 You know what, man?

02:05:08.000 I've been changing my feeling about presidents lately, and now I think I will only vote for a woman president.

02:05:15.000 Because I think women should have a chance to fuck this thing up, too, first of all. 1.00

02:05:19.000 And we should be able to prove by a woman, if a woman gets in office and the exact same things happen, then we can go, okay. 1.00

02:05:28.000 No one really gets a say.

02:05:29.000 They get in there.

02:05:30.000 You think we should just run through?

02:05:31.000 Like, all right, we got a black guy.

02:05:32.000 Elizabeth Warren makes a lot of sense to me.

02:05:34.000 She seems very intelligent.

02:05:35.000 Time for a woman. 0.99

02:05:36.000 And then once we can establish that they're all corrupt and they all get corrupted.

02:05:40.000 Yeah, that everybody's corrupt that gets in that.

02:05:42.000 Or not.

02:05:43.000 Maybe we'll find out that it's a good idea to have a woman run things because women aren't more, they're not as inclined to start wars. 1.00

02:05:49.000 But we've already gotten the Margaret Thatchers and whatnot. 0.99

02:05:52.000 I think women can get away from it. 1.00

02:05:53.000 But she wasn't, that's not the same.

02:05:56.000 It's England's completely different system.

02:05:59.000 I think in America, there's never been a prominent political leader other than Hillary Clinton that's a woman.

02:06:06.000 And she never really quite reached any level of, I mean, she was never running things.

02:06:14.000 She was never a governor of a major state.

02:06:16.000 She was never, you know what I mean?

02:06:19.000 Like she, what she did was she married one of the greatest presidents ever, went through that whole thing, and now she has a job working for the president and would like to run for president. 0.96

02:06:29.000 Whether it's her or Elizabeth Warren or my thinking is if every country was run by chicks, okay, how much less war and how much less, like, how much less imperialism would we have? 0.70

02:06:45.000 How much less of money grabs?

02:06:48.000 How much less if all the decisions to like international shit was all being done by women? 1.00

02:06:54.000 I'm going to go with 25 to 30% less.

02:06:56.000 No, I don't know.

02:06:57.000 It'd be interesting, though.

02:06:58.000 Seems to make sense.

02:06:59.000 I mean, and I'm not patronizing.

02:07:00.000 I'm not bullshitting.

02:07:02.000 I was really thinking about this the other day.

02:07:04.000 I was thinking, if you look at the issues that people have when it comes to whatever the president does, there's always two big ones.

02:07:11.000 Financial, that's a big one.

02:07:13.000 And military.

02:07:15.000 Those are the two big issues that people always have with whatever a president has.

02:07:19.000 And I think that women would be less likely to cause the military issues. 1.00

02:07:25.000 That's just a thought.

02:07:27.000 I just think they're less aggressive by nature.

02:07:29.000 They're more maternal.

02:07:31.000 They have this, I mean, they're the ones who become mothers. 0.96

02:07:35.000 I mean, this idea of conquering is a very male idea.

02:07:41.000 I think the adversarial power-hungry thing just happens if you're somebody who likes to rise in the ranks of power.

02:07:48.000 And it might be one of those things where it doesn't care so much about your gender.

02:07:51.000 Maybe.

02:07:52.000 But we can test it out.

02:07:54.000 We can try it out over the next 30 years and see what the fuck happens.

02:07:57.000 I mean, obviously, I don't think that it should be only women.

02:07:59.000 I mean, I think if a guy came along that really made sense.

02:08:03.000 But nobody makes sense.

02:08:04.000 Speaking of guy stuff, I've got to use the answer.

02:08:07.000 Yeah.

02:08:07.000 All these motherfuckers, ladies and gentlemen, I don't know if you notice, they all have weak bladders.

02:08:11.000 That's part of what I do in the show.

02:08:12.000 I feed people coffee and I show them their weaknesses.

02:08:16.000 I show them that they can't hang.

02:08:17.000 They can't just sit down and talk.

02:08:19.000 Sometimes I'll wait around after the show is over.

02:08:22.000 I'll take pictures with people and then I'll pee.

02:08:24.000 Three hours just doesn't seem like a long time to me.

02:08:27.000 That might be the number one flaw of this show, though.

02:08:31.000 There might be a time in the future where I decide the best way to do the commercials is to pre-record them and then press play and allow the guests to go and pee.

02:08:42.000 Because there comes a point in time where I know these motherfuckers are squirming. 1.00

02:08:47.000 I start seeing this shit.

02:08:48.000 I start seeing this sitting up and lifting back.

02:08:51.000 And they're thinking, man, do I say it?

02:08:53.000 No, don't be a pussy. 1.00

02:08:54.000 Do I say it?

02:08:55.000 No, no, no, no, no.

02:08:57.000 But there's a time, speaking of which, I have to use the bathroom.

02:09:02.000 They always have that moment where they're like, I said it.

02:09:05.000 And they go run off to the bathroom.

02:09:07.000 They have to train their bladder.

02:09:08.000 They have to train their discipline and their desire to podcast.

02:09:12.000 Right now, I see a lot of people that are tapping out early.

02:09:15.000 No drinking before podcasts.

02:09:17.000 Just drink.

02:09:18.000 Just don't be a pussy. 0.99

02:09:19.000 Like, I don't understand.

02:09:20.000 What's going on with these people and their bladders? 0.89

02:09:22.000 I mean, the kid had one bottle of water and a cup of coffee, and he's fucking crying over there.

02:09:27.000 Could have been up all night drinking.

02:09:29.000 Maybe he's really just checking his Bitcoins.

02:09:31.000 Maybe he's in that bathroom.

02:09:32.000 He just wants to find out what the current Bitcoin level is.

02:09:36.000 It's like, God, what is it right now?

02:09:38.000 What is it right?

02:09:39.000 And he gets up in the middle of the night.

02:09:40.000 Has to pee, checks his Bitcoin.

02:09:45.000 Bill Burr will be here tomorrow.

02:09:46.000 Bill Burr has a new Netflix special called Sorry You Feel That Way.

02:09:51.000 It comes out this Friday, December 5th.

02:09:55.000 And he's one of my favorite stand-up comedians ever.

02:09:59.000 And just an awesome Guy.

02:10:00.000 I fucking love him.

02:10:01.000 He's as real as they get.

02:10:03.000 There's comedians that they become famous and they become more humble and more cool, and that's Bill Burr.

02:10:10.000 He's a hard-working motherfucker.

02:10:12.000 He's always writing new shit.

02:10:13.000 He was on our Ice House show last Wednesday, and he's just one of my favorite comics, period.

02:10:20.000 Just one of my favorite dudes.

02:10:22.000 I just love talking to him and hanging out with him.

02:10:24.000 He's just such a regular guy.

02:10:25.000 And that expression, like regular guy, is so overused.

02:10:30.000 But what I like about someone like a Bill Burr is that once he's become famous, what he's done is just sort of settle in, be more comfortable with himself, very confident, but worked extra hard.

02:10:41.000 He works harder now than ever before.

02:10:42.000 The guy's always coming up with new material.

02:10:44.000 Barack Obama, right?

02:10:45.000 That's what we're talking about?

02:10:46.000 No, Bill Burr, you fuck.

02:10:48.000 God damn, David Seaman, your weak bladder.

02:10:50.000 Is it like a little girl's fist?

02:10:52.000 Is your bladder like a little girl's fist? 0.89

02:10:54.000 A little stronger and bigger, but it has a weakness for coffee.

02:10:58.000 That's what sets it off.

02:10:58.000 Well, coffee's a diuretic.

02:11:00.000 It does run through you.

02:11:02.000 Too much of it's not good either.

02:11:04.000 Gotta be careful with the coffee.

02:11:05.000 People out there, they're fucking pounding it.

02:11:07.000 Apparently, it's not good for the adrenals when you drink too much of it.

02:11:11.000 Today, we have a lovely caveman coffee blend.

02:11:15.000 Single source.

02:11:16.000 Quite delicious.

02:11:18.000 Drinking it black.

02:11:21.000 No butter today.

02:11:22.000 I think I might be drinking a little too much butter coffee.

02:11:26.000 It's fucking with my voice a little.

02:11:27.000 It gives me that coats your mouth.

02:11:30.000 Sometimes you're talking, and it's like your tongue's wrestling with slime, the inside of your mouth slime.

02:11:36.000 Do you ever do a warm-up exercise before you go out and perform?

02:11:39.000 Do you have to do like before stand-up?

02:11:40.000 Yeah.

02:11:41.000 I stretch.

02:11:42.000 That's what I like to do.

02:11:43.000 I like to stretch.

02:11:45.000 I bend over, usually with my back against the wall so nobody does anything weird and grab my ankles and pull my head in between my legs and stretch my entire spine and my hamstrings and it gets a lot of blood flow to the brain.

02:11:59.000 That helps your voice somehow.

02:12:00.000 No.

02:12:01.000 No, no, my mouth.

02:12:02.000 I don't stretch my mouth.

02:12:03.000 I just go up there and talk.

02:12:05.000 It's not that hard to talk, David Seaman.

02:12:07.000 No, it's not.

02:12:07.000 Not at all.

02:12:08.000 You don't have to warm up for it.

02:12:09.000 It's not like I'm going up there and I'm singing opera.

02:12:12.000 True.

02:12:13.000 No, but I warm up a little bit.

02:12:16.000 I get fired up.

02:12:17.000 Especially if I have bits that I'm working on and stuff like that.

02:12:21.000 I'll get into those bits.

02:12:23.000 I always bring a notebook so I have like a mental warm-up to go over the notes.

02:12:28.000 You got to do that too.

02:12:30.000 Performing a lot is important, but there's so many different aspects.

02:12:33.000 You got to perform a lot.

02:12:34.000 You got to read a lot.

02:12:35.000 You got to write a lot.

02:12:37.000 Like right now I'm in the new material phase.

02:12:40.000 So now I'm trying to expose myself to weird shit.

02:12:42.000 That's why I was watching, I've been watching a lot of documentaries and just trying to not even necessarily actively pursue new material as much as try to expose myself to a bunch of things and then ideas will come.

02:12:55.000 And then I sit down and write.

02:12:57.000 And then when I write, then more ideas come.

02:12:59.000 But like I'm in this just the open your head up and look around phase, you know?

02:13:08.000 You see yesterday they launched another, or they were supposed to launch another probe to an asteroid.

02:13:08.000 Cool.

02:13:14.000 Another one, huh?

02:13:14.000 Yeah, the Japanese are doing one.

02:13:16.000 This Japanese guy will have dicks all over his shirt, and that'll cause a big controversy. 1.00

02:13:20.000 The Japanese guy has, you know, the NASA guy.

02:13:24.000 Yeah, the NASA guy who had the sexy women all over his shirt, and women got really upset at that. 0.98

02:13:29.000 So sad.

02:13:30.000 It's amazing.

02:13:31.000 It's funny the things people will get outraged over.

02:13:33.000 And meanwhile, it's like there's a constant churn of people being slaughtered in parts of the world.

02:13:38.000 And it's like, we're going to focus our Twitter rage on the NASA engineer.

02:13:42.000 They're all people that no one wants to fuck.

02:13:44.000 Everyone is mad.

02:13:45.000 That's what it is.

02:13:46.000 If they're getting stuffed on a regular basis, they're not super satisfied.

02:13:50.000 They're not getting laid and they have no weed at their apartment.

02:13:53.000 Their friends are not that cool.

02:13:53.000 Exactly.

02:13:55.000 And they're super into their own gender. 0.98

02:13:57.000 They're really into their gender not being exploited.

02:14:01.000 But if you were a chick, though, seriously, to play devil's advocate. 0.95

02:14:05.000 And you were trying to be taken seriously in science.

02:14:09.000 And you were really serious about women in science.

02:14:12.000 And then here's a fucking guy who lands a robot on a comet.

02:14:17.000 And he's wearing hot chicks all over a shirt. 0.94

02:14:20.000 He'd be like, what the fuck, dude?

02:14:22.000 You know, like, come on, man.

02:14:23.000 You can't just wear a t-shirt that says NASA on it or something.

02:14:27.000 Like, yeah, I get your friend made you the shirt.

02:14:29.000 I get it.

02:14:31.000 But you didn't have to wear that.

02:14:32.000 So I see both sides.

02:14:34.000 I see it's really stupid to get super upset.

02:14:37.000 I mean, there are ridiculous articles that completely miss the point.

02:14:40.000 The fascinating point of this comet being the first place we've gotten a robot to land on, you know, like, and to have this happen in real time while these people are experiencing it and watching the monitors and everybody's going crazy, to focus instead on the guy's shirt and to make entire articles.

02:14:59.000 All of your focus is on the guy's shirt seems very short-sighted.

02:15:04.000 Very short-sighted.

02:15:05.000 That's one of the things the aliens would skip us over for.

02:15:08.000 They would just start laughing.

02:15:09.000 They're like, they're just so concerned about fucking.

02:15:13.000 The girls on his shirt are sexually attractive. 1.00

02:15:16.000 They're much more sexually attractive than the women that are complaining about the girls on the shirt. 1.00

02:15:20.000 That's one thing.

02:15:21.000 If you look at all the Twitter accounts of all the women that were really adamant about the fact this guy was an asshole for wearing that shirt, I went to their photos and I looked at all of them and I'm sure they're nice people.

02:15:34.000 But if you saw them in the same outfits as those women on the shirt, you would throw up in your mouth.

02:15:40.000 They're all people that have given up on the idea of somebody being attracted to them physically.

02:15:45.000 So they're not entourage extras.

02:15:46.000 That's what you're talking about.

02:15:47.000 They've given up.

02:15:48.000 They're into science and they're not into being slender.

02:15:52.000 They're not into looking good.

02:15:54.000 They're into becoming more square shaped and complaining a lot.

02:16:02.000 Well, it's good that they have an outlet for that anger.

02:16:06.000 Because hopefully it'll be a more worthy one in the future than somebody who's putting probes on a comet.

02:16:11.000 I wonder if there's ever going to come a point in time where we have three types of genders. 1.00

02:16:17.000 We have male, female, and non.

02:16:23.000 Like if we get to a point where people get to a stage of life and they just completely give Up on any gender whatsoever, and they assimilate into this non-form. 0.58

02:16:36.000 Like, if that becomes an option, and like people start saying, Look, think about all the problems that sexual identity causes you.

02:16:43.000 Think about all the misgenderings, all the times where you're supposed to think one way, but you really think another, and it's very confusing and frustrating. 1.00

02:16:55.000 If you were a non, you wouldn't have to worry about that. 1.00

02:16:57.000 If more people became nons.

02:16:59.000 On a recent survey, 17% of America said, if given the choice to have a completely non-sexual existence, they would be really annoying, though.

02:17:08.000 They would be worse than worse than the atheists on Reddit. 1.00

02:17:14.000 You'd be like, Jesus, these nons again.

02:17:16.000 They would just take up whole third gender? 0.99

02:17:19.000 That's a thing already.

02:17:20.000 Whoa.

02:17:21.000 Well, the concept that individuals are categorized as neither man nor woman, as well as the social category present in those societies who recognize three or more genders.

02:17:35.000 Hmm.

02:17:37.000 Well, that's an old picture, too.

02:17:38.000 So that means this shit's been going on for a long time.

02:17:40.000 Anna P. lived as a man for many years in Germany, was photographed for this book in 1922, Sexual Intermediates.

02:17:49.000 Wow.

02:17:49.000 Well, you know how you know this on a man?

02:17:51.000 Look at the hands.

02:17:53.000 It's hilarious.

02:17:54.000 Isn't that hilarious?

02:17:55.000 Like, look at her giant ass head. 1.00

02:17:57.000 Like, that's a dude head.

02:17:58.000 And then get down those hands. 1.00

02:18:00.000 Oh, chick hands. 1.00

02:18:02.000 Right?

02:18:03.000 Look at how small the hands are in comparison to that giant melon. 0.85

02:18:06.000 Those glasses.

02:18:07.000 Got some vintage Warby Parkers going on.

02:18:11.000 Whatever that is.

02:18:13.000 Non-sex. 0.98

02:18:14.000 Because if no one's fucking you, okay?

02:18:16.000 If you reach that point in time, you know, you're in your 50s, you're a scientist, no one's fucking you.

02:18:22.000 You know, you're 5'6, 215 pounds, built like a square, and just giving up.

02:18:29.000 You can still go to Burning Man.

02:18:30.000 Somebody will fuck you.

02:18:31.000 But maybe you don't want it anymore.

02:18:33.000 You just don't want it.

02:18:34.000 Okay, cool.

02:18:34.000 You're just done.

02:18:35.000 You're just done.

02:18:36.000 And you can just become a non. 0.51

02:18:38.000 There's benefits.

02:18:39.000 Because for females, they reach a higher level of physical strength. 1.00

02:18:43.000 They get closer to men.

02:18:44.000 This is the symbol for nons so they can recognize each other.

02:18:47.000 The international symbol.

02:18:49.000 I mean, we define ourselves by our sex even when no one wants to fuck you.

02:18:53.000 I mean, that's your gender. 0.90

02:18:55.000 Essentially, like, what is it supposed to mean?

02:18:58.000 It's supposed to mean you're a female. 0.99

02:18:59.000 You're a wrong bathroom. 1.00

02:19:00.000 You go to jail.

02:19:00.000 You're a male.

02:19:01.000 Right, that's true.

02:19:02.000 But if you're transgender, they're trying to argue that transgender men should be able to use men's bathrooms and transgender women should be able to use women's bathrooms even if they're born the opposite sex. 0.60

02:19:13.000 And some people have an issue with that.

02:19:15.000 Some people get upset at that.

02:19:18.000 Yeah.

02:19:20.000 It's funny how little I think about things like this.

02:19:24.000 If you think about gender, like male and female, once, I mean, obviously, one can get pregnant, one can get the other pregnant. 0.86

02:19:34.000 Once you pass all that, once you get to this point where you're not having sex anymore, like you're in your 50s or something like that, when you think about what you are, like you're thinking about it based on the fact that you have a vagina or you have a penis, but you're no longer interested in sexual intercourse.

02:19:50.000 If you're no longer, isn't that like a burden to be defined by one or the other?

02:19:56.000 Like instead of just being a human?

02:19:57.000 If you're not fucking.

02:19:58.000 So you become a non then. 0.98

02:20:00.000 You become a non. 0.71

02:20:01.000 There we go.

02:20:01.000 So you take, what is this?

02:20:03.000 Non-binary.

02:20:04.000 Google says.

02:20:05.000 Non-binary genders are gender identities that don't fit within the accepted binary of male and female.

02:20:11.000 People can feel they are both neither or some.

02:20:14.000 See, but the problem with this is, with all due respect, is that this perhaps, at least on some folks, is a psychological issue.

02:20:22.000 And I'm not talking about that.

02:20:23.000 I'm talking about literally not being male or female, like being neither, being non-sexual.

02:20:29.000 And if it becomes an option, and they give you an option where you can walk around and you look like one of those gray aliens that doesn't have genitals. 0.63

02:20:37.000 Well, I have a couple friends who are women, and if you start to treat them in a certain way, they're like, what the fuck is this?

02:20:44.000 Because they don't really fall into the female gender assumptions. 1.00

02:20:49.000 They're still women and they do things that women do, but they don't like to be treated like anything other than what they are, which is not very feminine. 1.00

02:20:56.000 A couple of my friends.

02:20:57.000 What do you mean by don't like to be treated?

02:21:00.000 There's a way that certain guys act around women.

02:21:03.000 It's kind of like a low-level anxiety because you're seeking out their acceptance because you're like, their acceptance means that I'm sexually attractive.

02:21:15.000 So even if they're not going to fuck you, you still want them to like you and laugh at your stuff and you're trying to impress them in a way.

02:21:22.000 But there are women who are like, no, we're friends now. 1.00

02:21:24.000 We're buddies.

02:21:25.000 You wouldn't be like this with one of your dude friends.

02:21:28.000 So why would you be like this with me and interject gender into everything when I'm not doing that? 0.99

02:21:33.000 Well, they're probably smart.

02:21:34.000 I mean, that's what that is.

02:21:35.000 It's just, that is a real issue with women and men. 1.00

02:21:38.000 And it's gross to see.

02:21:40.000 When you're around your friends and then a girl comes over and you always have that one dude who like completely changes his focus.

02:21:46.000 About to nut his pants.

02:21:47.000 He can't really interact as a human being.

02:21:50.000 Yeah, it changes who he is.

02:21:51.000 Like this fundamental, like the motivation for his communication.

02:21:56.000 It changes.

02:21:57.000 And we've all been that person before.

02:21:59.000 Oh, yeah.

02:21:59.000 It's just a matter of...

02:22:02.000 It's just genetics.

02:22:03.000 I think it's neat that a woman is as far from one of us as you can get while still being the same species. 1.00

02:22:11.000 And that's not at all meant to be a sexist thing.

02:22:13.000 It's just like if you look at what you are, your biology, your organs, a woman is having as much of a different experience as possible while still being the same exact species as you and vice versa. 0.76

02:22:26.000 The male experience is different from a woman's in many ways. 0.99

02:22:26.000 That's true. 0.99

02:22:30.000 And so like it's this weird thing where instead of dividing over it, we can come together and be like, that's kind of cool.

02:22:34.000 You guys get to do this, this, and this.

02:22:36.000 We do this.

02:22:38.000 And I'm just kind of intrigued by it.

02:22:39.000 I'm not intimidated by it.

02:22:40.000 I think it's cool.

02:22:41.000 You're different.

02:22:42.000 You're open-minded.

02:22:44.000 You should get wooden beads.

02:22:45.000 You should start doing yoga and just write this in a book and sell it.

02:22:45.000 I should.

02:22:50.000 I think David Seaman's.

02:22:53.000 He's got a couple million copies ahead of me.

02:22:56.000 Dude, that guy puts some shit up on Twitter every few months that I have to comment on.

02:23:00.000 I love when you troll.

02:23:01.000 It's like just macro trolling.

02:23:03.000 I can't help it.

02:23:04.000 Because he writes shit and it's just about the word awareness over and over again.

02:23:10.000 He's just saying mumbo jumbo.

02:23:11.000 Have you ever seen the Deeproc Chopra sentence generator? 0.89

02:23:15.000 No.

02:23:15.000 It's so ridiculous.

02:23:17.000 You just, you click on it and it randomly spits out a bunch of metaphysical words, connected, you know, interconnectedness, quantum, in the quantum level.

02:23:25.000 And it's just, it's all horseshit.

02:23:27.000 He's like the most ineffective complex communicator ever.

02:23:32.000 And when I trolled him, what's really hilarious, a bunch of people were explaining to him, to me, what he meant, and they're serious.

02:23:39.000 They're like, no, what he means is by awareness, like, hey, shut the fuck up.

02:23:43.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

02:23:44.000 Stop.

02:23:45.000 What he means.

02:23:46.000 You don't know what the fuck he means, first of all.

02:23:48.000 And you know what I mean?

02:23:49.000 I mean, this is a super ineffective way of communicating.

02:23:52.000 He knows, and you know, that that is some fucking sloppy shit.

02:23:56.000 That sentence is ridiculous.

02:23:57.000 It's preposterous.

02:23:59.000 It's not very clear at all what he's saying.

02:24:02.000 It is a bunch of fucking mumbo jumbo.

02:24:04.000 It is a bunch of word salad.

02:24:06.000 There's no question about it.

02:24:08.000 Like if you wanted to be really clear as to what you're saying, but there's part of what goes on with a lot of these spiritual type thinkers, people that talk about the quantum level and all this weird metaphysical mumbo jumbo talk is that keeping things mysterious is a huge part of the hustle.

02:24:26.000 Like you have to keep things mysterious.

02:24:28.000 Simplifying things is the worst thing you can do.

02:24:31.000 When you look at people that are trying to explain science, they're really trying to explain science, look at Neil deGrasse Tyson's Twitter feed, and you'll see a guy who explains things very clearly.

02:24:44.000 You never read a Neil deGrasse Tyson tweet and go, what the fuck did he mean by that?

02:24:48.000 It's real clear what he means.

02:24:50.000 You know why?

02:24:50.000 Because he's an awesome communicator.

02:24:52.000 What are you showing up there, buddy?

02:24:55.000 What do you got here?

02:24:56.000 Oh, the Chopra thing.

02:24:59.000 Oh, but we can't see that.

02:25:00.000 My bad.

02:25:01.000 I didn't put it up.

02:25:02.000 No, I'm seeing it on the screen.

02:25:03.000 I'm like, what is he doing?

02:25:04.000 I don't even know what's happening.

02:25:05.000 We're talking.

02:25:06.000 There's a video in the same time.

02:25:08.000 I did like one of his books back in the day, though, the Seven Spiritual Laws of Success.

02:25:13.000 Well, he's got some good ideas.

02:25:15.000 Quantum physics unfolds into total acceptance of neural networks.

02:25:19.000 Oh, is this one of the generators?

02:25:20.000 This is the generator, yes.

02:25:21.000 Oh, this is the generator.

02:25:22.000 Random words from the science.

02:25:23.000 Higgs, Boston, Fear, Species, Specific Opportunities.

02:25:26.000 Yeah.

02:25:26.000 These seem totally real.

02:25:27.000 They seem totally real.

02:25:28.000 But that's what he's doing.

02:25:30.000 I mean, this is exactly what he's doing.

02:25:31.000 He's saying a bunch of shit, and some of it, I mean, you can kind of interpret it, if you like, into some sort of a valid sentence.

02:25:41.000 But the reality is he's really super ineffective with how he forms these sentences and the thoughts that are being conveyed.

02:25:47.000 Whereas if you go to Neil deGrasse Tyson's Twitter feed, it's super obvious what he's saying.

02:25:52.000 Really obvious.

02:25:53.000 And I might say I'm an idiot.

02:25:55.000 I'm kind of dumb.

02:25:56.000 But I'm not dumb enough that I don't know when you're being a fucking idiot.

02:26:00.000 I know what you're doing.

02:26:03.000 You're splashing a bunch of words together and trying to pretend like this is some deep sentence.

02:26:08.000 This is poorly thought-out shit.

02:26:10.000 And people gobble it up because they love it.

02:26:12.000 They love the whole package, the brown skin, the Indian background, the whole deal.

02:26:19.000 Please, Swami, please, Kumare, teach me the way.

02:26:23.000 Kumari.

02:26:25.000 Do you see that documentary?

02:26:26.000 No, I haven't seen it, but I know it's on Nev Clay.

02:26:28.000 It's awesome.

02:26:28.000 It's a great premise.

02:26:29.000 Go around as a fake guru.

02:26:31.000 It's sad, though, when the people are like super into him.

02:26:34.000 You know, it's sad.

02:26:35.000 They're crying that he's actually there with them, and you realize he actually is having this positive effect on these people because they're so lost.

02:26:41.000 They like really need him to be that guy.

02:26:44.000 People really do, you know, want that one person to be so connected.

02:26:50.000 They don't realize like that.

02:26:51.000 What you should be seeking is your own, instead of seeking this one person who's going to be your guru, who's going to show you the way, seek your own experiences.

02:27:02.000 Seek your own enlightening moments, whether it's through yoga, through meditation, sensory deprivation tank, psychedelic study, whether it's through fucking hiking and thinking, just being alone by yourself, whether it's through writing, whether it's through exploring ideas, whatever the fuck it is.

02:27:20.000 Seek your own answers to stuff.

02:27:21.000 But the idea that you're going to come across this one master that has it nailed, throw that away.

02:27:27.000 Throw that away. 0.93

02:27:28.000 If you meet the Buddha in the road, kill him.

02:27:31.000 I mean, that's the old expression.

02:27:35.000 Throw that shit away.

02:27:36.000 Like, you don't want to find a fucking master because they don't exist.

02:27:42.000 You're going to get roped into, you might find people that are beautiful, that have an incredible grasp of reality, but as soon as they start pushing themselves as a master, run.

02:27:54.000 That's somebody trying to sell you a book.

02:27:56.000 Yeah.

02:27:56.000 Nine out of ten.

02:27:57.000 Exactly.

02:27:57.000 Someone trying to tell you that they get it.

02:28:00.000 Watch decoding Deeppak.

02:28:02.000 Ever see the fucking documentary his own son made?

02:28:05.000 His son made a documentary on him clowning him where he catches him meditating and he's like, I'm going to go meditate.

02:28:11.000 And he catches him snoring and he videotapes it and he splices it all together showing it.

02:28:16.000 And it makes him look so ridiculous.

02:28:18.000 And to Deepak's credit, he actually went on Opie and Anthony with his son and talked about that he's, you know, he's just a normal person.

02:28:26.000 He's just who he is.

02:28:27.000 And his son made a documentary about him.

02:28:28.000 But his son really clowned him in this documentary.

02:28:31.000 I'll have to check that out.

02:28:32.000 Oh my God.

02:28:33.000 You have to see it.

02:28:34.000 You should at least watch the trailer.

02:28:35.000 It's just, it's so ridiculous.

02:28:37.000 His son really clowned him.

02:28:39.000 And just makes you realize what it must have been like to grow up with this guy as your dad.

02:28:45.000 His son is very smart, too.

02:28:47.000 The son was on Opening Anthony with him.

02:28:49.000 And you kind of sense, first of all, A, that he really does love his dad.

02:28:53.000 You know, he knows his dad's not a terrible person.

02:28:55.000 But you could sense the sort of frustration in, you know, the difference between who his dad actually is and like this menopausal misconception that these, you know, it's a lot of lost women and older men.

02:29:10.000 I mean, I say menopausal, male menopausal as well.

02:29:12.000 Like these older people searching for spirituality that some will be in the world. 1.00

02:29:17.000 In the bookstore, they find a stack of his books.

02:29:19.000 Yeah.

02:29:20.000 Well, I've always been metaphysical at heart.

02:29:22.000 You know, people are always searching for this really deep, hidden meaning.

02:29:27.000 But what's really interesting to me is I don't see that in psychedelic circles.

02:29:33.000 One thing that I don't see in psychedelic circles is like the acceptance of gurus.

02:29:38.000 Like, that's one of the last places where a guy like Deeprock is going to thrive.

02:29:42.000 Because, you know, when you talk to him about LSD, I can achieve these states with my own mind.

02:29:47.000 No, no, no, no, no, no, you can't.

02:29:49.000 You know, I don't think you can.

02:29:51.000 And if you can, if you think you can, it's most likely because you haven't been there already.

02:29:55.000 You know, if you can achieve DMT without DMT, you're a better man than most.

02:30:00.000 You're some special creature that's studied kundalini yoga for 10 years and locked yourself in a fucking monastery.

02:30:07.000 Terrence McKenna, I believe, said that LSD was like the most significant molecule of the 20th century.

02:30:13.000 And so, you know, you can give that to somebody.

02:30:16.000 If you go on YouTube, you can search for LSD Housewife 1950s.

02:30:20.000 Oh, yeah, I remember that.

02:30:21.000 That's an amazing video.

02:30:22.000 It's an amazing video because this is a woman who, if you were told you're about to be given LSD, at least you would know it's about to hit you.

02:30:29.000 But this is a fucking housewife. 1.00

02:30:30.000 It's like just been sent there to do this experiment.

02:30:33.000 And he gives her a glass of water.

02:30:34.000 He's like, here you go, ma'am.

02:30:35.000 Here's your LSD.

02:30:37.000 And it just hits her.

02:30:38.000 And you see this transformation.

02:30:40.000 It's like you're, as one of my friends put it, it's like you're watching the 60s unfold.

02:30:44.000 You're watching the 1950s transform into the 60s.

02:30:47.000 Through this one woman, yeah.

02:30:48.000 Through this one woman and her one LSD experience.

02:30:51.000 And Steve Jobs actually, in that biography, like I said earlier, there's a lot of stuff.

02:30:56.000 Like he called his era when he grew up a magical time because everybody was under the influence of psychedelics.

02:31:03.000 Well, that was the big shift between the 50s and the 60s without a doubt.

02:31:06.000 And then the 70s, the people.

02:31:07.000 They tried to lock it all down.

02:31:09.000 Well, that's what happened.

02:31:10.000 They passed the sweeping psychedelics bill of 1970 that they made a bunch of stuff illegal that wasn't even psychological or wasn't even psychoactive.

02:31:10.000 They did.

02:31:22.000 There's different compounds that they made illegal that they don't even affect the human mind.

02:31:27.000 They're just locking everything down.

02:31:29.000 So they're doing stuff without real science behind it.

02:31:32.000 They're not going after dangerous compounds.

02:31:35.000 They're just going after anything that might alter consciousness in a way that threatens the powers that be.

02:31:41.000 And that's where they were at.

02:31:44.000 They were in this weird place where the world had changed so much in 10 years, they were terrified as to what the fuck was coming in the next 10.

02:31:52.000 They saw these flower power people and all this fucking give peace a chance, all that shit, and they were like, what is going on here? 0.64

02:31:59.000 This never even existed in the 1940s when I was growing up.

02:32:03.000 Here we are in the 1960s, these goddamn hippies, and they're walking through Kent State trying to stop the war.

02:32:09.000 What's really kind of scary to think about is thinking about how they locked all that stuff down.

02:32:15.000 People think it's bad because of the conditioning.

02:32:17.000 You know, it's like you don't want to do acid.

02:32:19.000 You don't want to do weed.

02:32:20.000 You don't want to do any of these bad sounding things that make you seem like you're kind of on the fringes of society.

02:32:26.000 So only the people who are on the fringes of society start doing these things.

02:32:30.000 And you no longer have the captains of industry like Steve Jobs experimenting with this stuff.

02:32:36.000 And as a result, you don't have as much inspiring change.

02:32:39.000 You know, like we've kind of been caught in a rut up until very recently.

02:32:42.000 Until that whole, the whole like Bitcoin, WikiLeaks type era, we were in a span of eight or nine years where it's like very little personal freedom, very little dissent or discussion of what's happening.

02:32:54.000 Do you really think so?

02:32:55.000 I think after 9-11, pretty much society went, if it's not for survival, we're going to put it on the back burner.

02:32:55.000 I really think so.

02:33:02.000 So we were still doing other stuff, but now finally we're getting that explosion of creativity and experimentation that we were supposed to get probably 10 years ago.

02:33:11.000 And Bitcoin is one of those things, and like real independent media, like your show is another one.

02:33:17.000 And they're all blossoming.

02:33:18.000 I think it was all inevitable.

02:33:20.000 I really do.

02:33:22.000 And I think, quite honestly, more people are probably doing psychedelic drugs now than have ever before, including in the 1970s and the 1960s.

02:33:29.000 I think the numbers are through the roof.

02:33:31.000 I think we just are caught up in the middle of it, so we're not totally aware of what's going on.

02:33:36.000 But if you include marijuana, and I definitely do when it comes to eating marijuana, I consider eating marijuana a psychedelic drug.

02:33:43.000 I really do.

02:33:43.000 And I think that people who don't, they're just probably not eating the stuff we're eating.

02:33:48.000 You know, the shit that you're getting out here, like those gummies, kimonos. 1.00

02:33:52.000 You can get the inception moments where you just don't feel the same about something again.

02:33:55.000 Ever again.

02:33:56.000 Yeah, including the very fiber of reality itself.

02:33:56.000 Yeah.

02:34:00.000 These goddamn things are so powerful.

02:34:03.000 And the experience is just not the same as smoking it.

02:34:07.000 It's way more significant.

02:34:09.000 It's way deeper and weirder.

02:34:10.000 It's just, it's a different drug when you eat it.

02:34:13.000 And it's responsible for a lot of ancient Hindu religious art and religious scriptures.

02:34:20.000 A lot of that stuff was being done while they were eating hashish.

02:34:22.000 I mean, that was the preferred method of delivery of cannabis for a long time, was eating it.

02:34:29.000 I think there's a religious high day, a high day, in India where they just smoke all day long to get in touch with the goddess, one of the goddesses. 0.97

02:34:38.000 Yeah, I'm sure.

02:34:40.000 I'm sure there's a lot of religions that are like that.

02:34:42.000 Sikhs, there's certain sects of Sikhs.

02:34:44.000 They eat this yogurt.

02:34:46.000 They were explaining it to Duncan, and he was explaining it to me, so I apologize if I'm fucking something up, but there's some yogurt that has marijuana in it.

02:34:54.000 Yeah, like marijuana-infused honey or something like that, and they mix it in this yogurt and get fucking blasted.

02:35:03.000 And these dudes were explaining it to Duncan, like how important it is to them.

02:35:08.000 Sikhs are an interesting race of people or a religious group.

02:35:13.000 They get connected to a lot of, you know, ignorantly, to like Muslims and Islamic people, like people that see things with, people see things on people's heads, and they think they're all the same folks.

02:35:26.000 But ancient religions that had their roots in psychedelics, there's still a lot of them that are around.

02:35:32.000 There's still a lot of them that exist.

02:35:34.000 There's a lot of evidence that shows that it's shaped a lot of thinking way, way, way back in the day.

02:35:40.000 And if you want to get on that mindset, get into the groove that those people must have been in when they were doing that, if you eat hash and think about what it must have been like to live 3,000 years ago, I mean, you'll pretty much put yourself in a state of mind where you can kind of think the way they were thinking a little bit.

02:36:00.000 I mean, you can never erase the information that you have, but imagine what it would be like to live two, 3,000 years ago and to be eating hash and hanging out in India and just tripping your fucking balls off on this big round ball spinning around in space. 1.00

02:36:17.000 Illegal.

02:36:19.000 Yeah, I mean, I think there's more people doing that now.

02:36:21.000 There's more people eating marijuana now than probably ever before.

02:36:24.000 I think that's pretty safe to say.

02:36:27.000 The numbers are just staggering.

02:36:29.000 The numbers that are...

02:36:36.000 Or medical marijuana laws.

02:36:36.000 Really?

02:36:38.000 Washington, D.C. is going to be a weird one.

02:36:41.000 I don't know when that goes into effect, but that passed recently.

02:36:44.000 That's going to be weird for sure because you can have congressional aides go home for lunch, hypothetically get high legally, and come back.

02:36:51.000 They'll be tested.

02:36:52.000 Even if it's still not federally legal, which is hilarious because that's where the federal government's offices are.

02:36:58.000 So the very state where their offices are in Washington, D.C. Well, the federal government, more than anything else, it likes money.

02:37:05.000 And this is one of the most obvious money grabs.

02:37:08.000 It's like, why wouldn't you?

02:37:09.000 You know, like, we're cutting out all of these.

02:37:12.000 Well, the money goes south to the cartels.

02:37:14.000 If we can keep all that in the United States, that's a fuckload of money.

02:37:17.000 Yeah, that's one way of looking at it.

02:37:19.000 And not just that, but also small business opportunities, not a lot of startup costs.

02:37:25.000 Pretty easy to fucking start your own small business selling weed.

02:37:28.000 Pretty easy to grow it.

02:37:29.000 If people start transferring that to the using it as a commodity, like the hemp movement that we were talking about with clothes and paper and building materials and all those things start happening, if that becomes legal, it will literally transform this entire country.

02:37:45.000 When people find out how easy it is for farmers to grow hemp and profit off of it, and we're not talking at all about drugs, nothing to do with the drug.

02:37:54.000 Right now, it's only legal in a couple states to grow hemp and manufacture hemp.

02:37:59.000 And as far as I know, it's still not like no one's really going for it.

02:38:04.000 No big companies are moving in, giving it a shot because it's still federally illegal, which is weird.

02:38:10.000 Because not even psychoactive.

02:38:11.000 It's a cousin of the psychoactive strain of marijuana.

02:38:16.000 And it's still illegal.

02:38:19.000 It's going to end, though.

02:38:21.000 There's no doubt.

02:38:22.000 Unless something happens.

02:38:23.000 The only thing that could put the genie back in the bottle, it would have to be some sort of a cataclysmic event.

02:38:29.000 Whether it's some nuclear bomb goes off or something where they have to completely 1984, this motherfucker, tighten down the screws and cut off the internet, filter everything.

02:38:43.000 No more drugs, no more anything.

02:38:46.000 I mean, it would have to be something really huge.

02:38:50.000 Something really huge and scary.

02:38:52.000 And even then, it might not work.

02:38:54.000 Even then, people might be like, you know what?

02:38:56.000 The reason why this fucking nuclear shit happened in the first place is because we were listening to you assholes.

02:39:00.000 Yeah, I think that's more likely is if there was some calamity, a lot of people would just be like, we're going to go do our own thing.

02:39:06.000 What do you think of all this Ferguson protests?

02:39:09.000 Do you think that this is just because of Ferguson, just because of that decision?

02:39:13.000 Or do you think that this is like a sign that people are ready to start fucking protesting shit?

02:39:18.000 Because I'm more inclined to believe the latter.

02:39:20.000 I think there's a lot of resentment in the United States over the fact that for many of us, it's hard to find honest work.

02:39:27.000 But if you decide to go into law enforcement, you can suddenly make a comfortable $50,000 a year in some places just feeding the prison system innocent people.

02:39:37.000 And that sounds like some kind of tree hugger thing.

02:39:39.000 But if you look at the math, that's actually what a lot of these police departments are doing is sending poor, disadvantaged people, most of them minorities, into prison for owning things that I don't consider to be harmful to society.

02:39:52.000 You know, I just don't consider marijuana to be harmful.

02:39:54.000 And even some of the harder drugs that people get busted on, it's like, well, that's literally their only opportunity.

02:40:00.000 Right, but that's not what we're talking about here.

02:40:01.000 We're talking about police brutality.

02:40:03.000 No, but what I'm saying is that that distrust, I believe, is connected to the fact that they can't trust these police officers because they can ruin your life if they want to over something very arbitrary.

02:40:14.000 So I think that's the backdrop for it.

02:40:15.000 And then I don't know all the specifics of Ferguson, but based on what I saw, that grand jury thing, there should be a trial.

02:40:22.000 Like there are too many inconsistencies.

02:40:24.000 The whole point of a public trial is to figure out what happened.

02:40:27.000 And if you're a police officer and that means somehow you're treated differently, that to me doesn't add up.

02:40:32.000 Well, I think that when you're dealing with police brutality, there's a lot better examples than this one.

02:40:39.000 There's a lot of examples.

02:40:40.000 They're absolutely fucking horrific that you could find on YouTube.

02:40:44.000 There's some kid that got tasered.

02:40:44.000 You could find them every day.

02:40:46.000 He was in his girlfriend's car.

02:40:48.000 The cop tasered him, hit him near the heart.

02:40:50.000 He fell.

02:40:51.000 It's a white kid.

02:40:52.000 Fell, face planted, stopped breathing, went into like cardiac arrest.

02:40:57.000 They didn't revive him for like three minutes.

02:40:59.000 He might have brain damage because of this.

02:41:01.000 The kid did nothing, did nothing wrong.

02:41:02.000 He was just sitting in a car and the cop told him to roll the window down.

02:41:05.000 Apparently the window didn't roll down.

02:41:07.000 Cop fucking tasered him.

02:41:08.000 I mean, obviously I wasn't there, but like they show this kid on the ground and the cop like standing over him, not doing shit.

02:41:15.000 There's a whole video of it.

02:41:17.000 How about the guy who was in Denver, who's beating the shit out of this guy they had on the ground because he said he had a bag in his mouth, so he's punching him in the face while he's holding him down.

02:41:24.000 His pregnant wife comes over to try to stop them. 1.00

02:41:27.000 They trip his wife.

02:41:28.000 She falls on the ground.

02:41:29.000 You're watching this.

02:41:30.000 Then they tried to erase the video, but the guy had already uploaded it to the cloud.

02:41:30.000 You're like, what?

02:41:34.000 And they released it and showed it on television.

02:41:36.000 And there's a lot of fucking really horrible shit that cops do.

02:41:42.000 It's like the homepage of Reddit every other day.

02:41:44.000 It's like you see at least one or two stories that make your heart stop.

02:41:49.000 But like many things in this life where you would like things to be completely black and white and the thing that people gravitate towards turns out to be a massive string of contradictions.

02:42:03.000 There's a lot of things wrong with this case.

02:42:06.000 First of all, the guy, first of all, he was young.

02:42:08.000 He was 18 years old.

02:42:10.000 Hard to say he's responsible for all of his behavior at 18 years of age.

02:42:15.000 I mean, you think about what kind of a life this kid's living, what kind of an environment he's growing up in.

02:42:19.000 But all that said, he's robbing a store just moments before.

02:42:23.000 There's a video of him grabbing this guy by the neck.

02:42:25.000 He's a fucking huge guy.

02:42:26.000 Reaches into the cop's car, punches him in the face, is trying to get the cop's gun, gets shot in the hand at close range.

02:42:33.000 All this has been proven.

02:42:34.000 So you're dealing with a dangerous bad guy already, for sure.

02:42:38.000 Has that much been proven?

02:42:39.000 Yes.

02:42:40.000 Okay, so we know that he actually.

02:42:41.000 We know he robbed that store.

02:42:43.000 We know he punched the cop.

02:42:44.000 We know he tried to get the cop's gun.

02:42:45.000 We know the gun discharged.

02:42:46.000 He shot him in the hand at very close range.

02:42:48.000 Well, then, if that's the case, that doesn't strike me as being the best example.

02:42:54.000 It's a bad example.

02:42:55.000 It still falls under the range of like, well, did you have to end somebody's life or could you have just tackled him?

02:43:00.000 Well, he couldn't have tackled him, first of all.

02:43:01.000 He was not physically capable of beating that kid up.

02:43:03.000 Or tased him or something.

02:43:05.000 Well, you know, I don't think he had a taser on him.

02:43:07.000 But I think that was part of his thing.

02:43:09.000 And he couldn't discharge pepper spray because he was in the car and the guys punched him in the face and he was worried he was going to lose consciousness.

02:43:15.000 I mean, he's a big fucking kid.

02:43:18.000 There's better examples.

02:43:19.000 I don't know what the fuck happened in the moments before that guy's life was taken.

02:43:23.000 And there's contradicting stories.

02:43:26.000 There's people that say that he had his hands up.

02:43:29.000 There's people that say he was charging.

02:43:31.000 You know, when you have that, I don't know what to fucking tell you.

02:43:34.000 I mean, and I don't understand people that claim they do know.

02:43:38.000 When you look at the autopsy, the autopsy statements apparently tend to exonerate the cop.

02:43:45.000 The autopsy, the descriptions of the bullet wounds, they're supposedly, from what I've read, obviously I'm not a forensic scientist or anything, but they seem to indicate the cop's story was a little bit more kosher, that he had a shot on the top of his head, which indicated he was charging towards him, shot through his arm in a way that you couldn't possibly do if a guy's arms are up in the air like everybody's saying.

02:44:09.000 I don't know.

02:44:10.000 I don't know what the fuck happened.

02:44:11.000 There's people that say they saw him with his hands up.

02:44:13.000 Then the other thing that's a real problem is witness testimony.

02:44:17.000 People see things that aren't really there.

02:44:20.000 One of the women on the grand jury, the AP story, said that she has racist views, has trouble differentiating between truth and things she has read online.

02:44:32.000 And this is actually in the AP report.

02:44:33.000 You're like, well, if this is the person, he's one of your witnesses.

02:44:36.000 That's a pretty flimsy witness right there.

02:44:38.000 There's an interesting Radio Lab story this month, this week rather.

02:44:44.000 Radiolab is a really interesting podcast that I listened to.

02:44:47.000 And this one is about a, I think it was in Mumbai or Kenya.

02:44:53.000 I forget what part of Africa it was, but there was a terrorist attack on a mall.

02:44:59.000 And these guys showed up with guns and they shot a bunch of people.

02:45:02.000 And there was all these different eyewitness testimonies that were, it was hard to figure out who was telling the truth.

02:45:09.000 There was 15 gunmen, there was 10 gunmen.

02:45:12.000 Well, they did a forensic examination of all of the video footage from all the surveillance cameras.

02:45:18.000 And it turns out there was four gunmen and they were all killed.

02:45:22.000 And these people had these different descriptions and they like swore they saw this and they swore they saw that.

02:45:28.000 But when you go over all the video footage from all the people entering, all the people leaving, they have this pretty accurate based on like real hard evidence.

02:45:39.000 They've got a 24-hour camera system going all the time.

02:45:43.000 They captured all of it and they spent hours and hours going over all the events and finding out who's the shooter.

02:45:50.000 I mean, they have a grid of the entire play, so they know what happened.

02:45:54.000 But yet people have all these different descriptions, you know, of young people, of older people, of people taking off their clothes and assimilating into society.

02:46:02.000 They dropped their gun and changed their clothes, and they escaped like a normal person, and that became a narrative.

02:46:08.000 And there's a lot of people that believe these stories.

02:46:10.000 But when they describe the actual events that they've captured on video to these people, they don't want to admit it.

02:46:18.000 They don't want to admit what is actually on video you can see happening.

02:46:22.000 That's not what I saw.

02:46:23.000 But it's all right there.

02:46:23.000 That's not what I saw.

02:46:25.000 People see things, especially under stress.

02:46:28.000 Stressful situation.

02:46:29.000 A murder's taking place.

02:46:31.000 An attack on a police officer.

02:46:33.000 Guns are going off.

02:46:34.000 Oh my God, the guy got shot.

02:46:35.000 Did you see what happened?

02:46:36.000 I saw it.

02:46:36.000 He had his hands up.

02:46:37.000 He had his hands up.

02:46:39.000 I saw him too.

02:46:39.000 He had his hands up.

02:46:40.000 And then people start just repeating it.

02:46:42.000 Don't shoot.

02:46:42.000 Hands up.

02:46:43.000 Like, okay, he had his hands up.

02:46:45.000 I don't know if he had his hands up.

02:46:46.000 He might have had his hands up.

02:46:47.000 But to say you know he didn't have his hands up or to say you know he had his hands up is fucking crazy unless you were there.

02:46:53.000 And if you were there, man, I'd have to know you.

02:46:57.000 I think this body camera stuff is going to solve a lot of problems.

02:47:00.000 Fuck yeah, it will.

02:47:02.000 If you're an honest cop, that should be the first thing you want because it means your liability is now dropping close to zero.

02:47:08.000 If you take somebody's life and it turns out it was justified or you use use of force and you need to, any jury is going to look at that and go, well, you're a cop and you're protecting the public end of story.

02:47:18.000 No doubt.

02:47:19.000 And I think ultimately that's going to be the great response to all this shit.

02:47:23.000 All these horrible situations like the 12-year-old kid that was killed with the fake gun that was just walking on the street.

02:47:29.000 The cops pull up.

02:47:30.000 Within two seconds of getting out of their car, this kid's dead.

02:47:34.000 They just start shooting him.

02:47:34.000 They get out of the car.

02:47:36.000 And the 911 call says it looks like he's got a fake gun.

02:47:40.000 The 911 call says that.

02:47:42.000 I mean, I don't know what the fuck information gets to the actual cops itself.

02:47:45.000 You know, if the 911 operator calls the cops and say, hey, there's a guy with a gun.

02:47:49.000 I don't know what the fuck was actually said.

02:47:51.000 But there's a lot of those situations.

02:47:53.000 And a lot of those situations just simply wouldn't take place the same way if everyone was wearing cameras.

02:47:59.000 They just wouldn't.

02:48:00.000 They wouldn't.

02:48:01.000 There'd be accountability.

02:48:02.000 I mean, cameras on cops, that's like the internet of law enforcement.

02:48:07.000 You know, that's really what it is.

02:48:08.000 It's like full accountability, full access to information.

02:48:11.000 And if those fucking things are streaming, first of all, what an amazing show that would be.

02:48:17.000 You'd be able to watch cops lives all day long, just stream into Officer Wilson's camera.

02:48:23.000 The Truman Show meets cops.

02:48:24.000 Yeah, man.

02:48:26.000 Like, think about that.

02:48:27.000 Like, guys in Compton, like, like working the beat in Inglewood, you know, at night doing drug law enforcement or narcotics.

02:48:38.000 What'll happen is within a few years, like you'll be watching it and one of the cops will take down some meth dealer and you'll be like, good job.

02:48:44.000 The QR code will pop up on the screen.

02:48:46.000 Everybody will send him a little bit of Bitcoin.

02:48:48.000 And then that cop will be set for the year and it'll become this thing where it's like you want to be a really fair cop because everybody's watching the streams for fun and providing tips to the cops that are not corrupt.

02:48:59.000 Well, yeah.

02:49:00.000 Maybe, right?

02:49:00.000 Monetary tips.

02:49:01.000 I mean, this has maybe like a 1% chance of happening, but I think it'd be cool.

02:49:05.000 Well, one thing that would be cool is you would know, like, cops that are cool.

02:49:08.000 You would know, like, who gets people, you know, gives people fair deals and communicates with people well and doesn't abuse his power.

02:49:17.000 Well, I will say, like, every interaction I've had with a cop in California has been positive.

02:49:21.000 And I think part of that is that in the back of my brain, I'm not like, oh, this guy could fuck me over if he wanted to because I have weed in my car.

02:49:28.000 Now it's like, well, I'm doing everything that's legal and he's doing his stuff and like, cool, you know?

02:49:34.000 And you're white. 0.77

02:49:36.000 And I'm white.

02:49:38.000 The white part helps me.

02:49:39.000 I'm not at all denying the racial, white privilege.

02:49:43.000 The racial profiling that happens with cops, but all I'm saying is living in a state where I'm not treated like a criminal for doing things that as an adult I feel I should be entitled to do that are in my own just an antidepressant basically, why shouldn't I be allowed to do that?

02:49:58.000 The cops here are like, we agree.

02:49:59.000 It's none of our business.

02:50:00.000 And that to me is a sign of respect.

02:50:02.000 So I respect them.

02:50:04.000 Well, cops in California definitely have a different take on it, but it's come a long way.

02:50:08.000 I have a buddy of mine who's a cop like years ago would joke around about how he doesn't care if it's medical marijuana, still fucking arrest him.

02:50:16.000 I'm like, why?

02:50:17.000 What's wrong with you?

02:50:18.000 But they get into that us versus them mentality.

02:50:23.000 I don't think we realize how difficult it is to be a cop.

02:50:26.000 I think it's a fucking unbelievably hard job sometimes.

02:50:30.000 It's the scum of the earth sometimes.

02:50:32.000 Yeah, you're also dealing with incredible amounts of pressure.

02:50:32.000 Part of the time.

02:50:36.000 You're dealing with incredible amounts of violent input.

02:50:40.000 You're seeing things that you can't unsee, and you're looking at people in a completely different way.

02:50:45.000 If you work in a nightclub, okay, like say if your only interaction with people is you're a bartender in a nightclub, you would think that everybody's a drunk asshole, just maniac.

02:50:55.000 You know, if you're a woman who has to wear like a short leather skirt and show up at a fucking honky-tonk bar and deliver drinks, your opinion of men is going to be based on drunks that you see at night in the dark who are grabbing ass and acting like assholes and spilling shit on themselves and then driving home drunk.

02:51:13.000 You'd be like, oh, they're disgusting.

02:51:15.000 But if you were a chick who worked the front desk at a yoga place, you might meet like really cool, peaceful people.

02:51:23.000 You know, it's all about the environment that you find yourself in.

02:51:26.000 And if you're in the environment of being a police officer, most of what you're dealing with all day is people that are breaking the law and lying to you about it.

02:51:35.000 Conflict and people running away.

02:51:37.000 Fuck, man.

02:51:39.000 That job is fucking hard.

02:51:41.000 It's hard.

02:51:42.000 I mean, you don't just start punching immigrants in the face on your first day.

02:51:46.000 You know, you don't tackle a guy and start punching him in the face because he's got a heroin bag in his mouth.

02:51:51.000 That's like years and years of stress and buildup and just fucking craziness and barely keeping it together.

02:52:01.000 And who knows what you're on?

02:52:02.000 Who knows if you're on antidepressants or anti-this or fucking pro-that or Adderall.

02:52:08.000 A lot of them take Adderall to try to stay awake and stay sharp.

02:52:12.000 And pro-vigil is a big one that cops are taking, that new vigil and pro-vigil.

02:52:17.000 A lot of police officers like that shit because it keeps them sharp.

02:52:21.000 A lot of them are on steroids.

02:52:22.000 A lot of them are on steroids, man.

02:52:24.000 I don't think they're doing a lot of tests for steroids in the fucking police department.

02:52:28.000 I saw this dude pulling this guy over the other day.

02:52:29.000 He was jacked.

02:52:32.000 Jacked.

02:52:33.000 Yeah, the state troopers here don't fuck around.

02:52:35.000 Some of them are pretty big.

02:52:36.000 The guy was so jacked.

02:52:37.000 He was that level of jacked where you just don't get there without drugs.

02:52:41.000 You know, just like arms are like three times as big as mine, giant ass fucking neck. 0.97

02:52:45.000 That was huge.

02:52:46.000 This guy was huge.

02:52:47.000 And I was like, this guy is a drug user.

02:52:50.000 He's a drug user and he's using illegal drugs and he's pulling people over.

02:52:55.000 Unless he's doing testosterone replacement therapy and just like, at the very least, he's abusing his levels.

02:53:01.000 I mean, the guy's gigantic.

02:53:03.000 He's so preposterously large.

02:53:05.000 That's a cop.

02:53:07.000 Nobody has a problem with that.

02:53:08.000 Big ass fucking arms in his sleeve.

02:53:11.000 Nobody has a problem.

02:53:12.000 That's okay.

02:53:13.000 That's okay.

02:53:14.000 You got a roach in your fucking car, Seaman.

02:53:16.000 Get out of the car, son.

02:53:17.000 That's what I'm talking about.

02:53:18.000 Like, it's that kind of opposition just puts you in a kind of freaked out mode.

02:53:26.000 Yeah.

02:53:27.000 Yeah, it does.

02:53:28.000 Even in New York, which most of us, we consider New York to be a civilized city.

02:53:32.000 It's like the cultural capital of the U.S. in some ways.

02:53:36.000 If you're black, those stop and frisk things, that's an expensive, unpleasant process. 1.00

02:53:42.000 I believe they discontinued that.

02:53:43.000 I think they.

02:53:44.000 Wasn't it ruled unconstitutional?

02:53:46.000 I don't 100% know what the status of that is.

02:53:49.000 We'll pull up stop and frisk.

02:53:51.000 But that went on for years, and that was complete bullshit.

02:53:53.000 Yeah.

02:53:54.000 Yeah.

02:53:56.000 Stop and frisk.

02:53:57.000 And...

02:54:03.000 Mayor says New York City will settle suits on stop and frisk.

02:54:11.000 Stop and frisk appeal is on hold.

02:54:14.000 Okay, this is the latest here.

02:54:16.000 New York City ends legal defense of stop and frisk.

02:54:18.000 So apparently there's just so they dropped the appeal.

02:54:22.000 Okay, so what it is, is apparently there's like so much, so many lawsuits and so much bullshit attached to it that they're probably doing it for financial reasons.

02:54:32.000 Well, that's like California.

02:54:33.000 We're letting go of the nonviolent drug offenders, right?

02:54:36.000 That proposition that passed.

02:54:38.000 Yeah.

02:54:39.000 That's a money move, too.

02:54:40.000 That has nothing to do with morality.

02:54:42.000 It's like we don't have the money to fucking spend $60,000 for every single person we lock up.

02:54:48.000 Yeah.

02:54:49.000 The New York City, they're saying Mayor Bloomberg's administration has sought the appeal to appeal Judge Sharia Shinjlin's ruling, which stated that the New York City Police Department had abused its power, but de Blasio is working to settle the case out of court.

02:55:09.000 We believe these steps will make everyone safer.

02:55:11.000 De Blasio told a Brooklyn news conference, this will be one city where everyone rises together, where everyone's rights are protected.

02:55:22.000 Okay.

02:55:23.000 I'm not sure what that means.

02:55:24.000 Everyone rises together.

02:55:26.000 So he campaigned, the new mayor, Mayor de Blasio, Campaigned on a promise to end the era of stop and frisk policing.

02:55:35.000 Yeah, I mean, it's gross.

02:55:37.000 It's gross, and especially if you're a young black guy, it's horseshit. 1.00

02:55:40.000 Or young, I mean, I don't know if women are getting harassed as much. 1.00

02:55:45.000 They're saying men, they're saying young African-American and Latino men in specific.

02:55:50.000 It's horrible to be treated as a criminal when you're not doing anything wrong.

02:55:52.000 Yeah, it's gross.

02:55:53.000 Well, about the guy that was walking, it was just putting his fucking hands in his pockets.

02:55:56.000 Yeah.

02:55:56.000 And this is where we're at.

02:55:59.000 That's our world.

02:56:01.000 You know, judging people based on how much melon and what part of the world your parents might have immigrated from.

02:56:07.000 That's part of the world.

02:56:08.000 And then we have, you know, a big part of the country where you can, at least in Colorado, just walk into a gift shop and get what you need to feel happy.

02:56:17.000 And nobody's going to racially profile you and fuck up your life.

02:56:20.000 And that's awesome.

02:56:21.000 You know, we should have more stuff like that.

02:56:23.000 But in Colorado, that's where that fucking guy got beaten up.

02:56:26.000 Denver Police Department beat the fuck out of that guy with a heroin bag in his mouth.

02:56:29.000 So they're just escalating other drugs.

02:56:32.000 Is that the thing now?

02:56:33.000 And now it's going to be like, well, if you have any of these, we're really going to come after you.

02:56:36.000 But this one's okay.

02:56:37.000 Maybe.

02:56:38.000 I mean, what do they do if they have drug quotas?

02:56:41.000 That's the real issue.

02:56:42.000 Because if a department had quotas on arrests, and some of them do, and they're very controversial.

02:56:47.000 There's quotas on speeding tickets.

02:56:49.000 There's quotas on all sorts of things that cops are told they have to reach.

02:56:53.000 I've always wondered, what the fuck happens if no one commits a crime?

02:56:57.000 What happens if we all agree?

02:56:59.000 Like, hey, everybody, can we all keep it together for six months?

02:57:02.000 Because if everybody can keep it together for six months and we all make a pact that no one speeds, no one litters, no one does anything the cops can arrest you for, no one breaks a law for six months, what the fuck do the cops do?

02:57:13.000 Like, what do we do?

02:57:15.000 I mean, if we can do that for a day, if just we could do that just for a day, police departments across the United States would fucking panic.

02:57:22.000 We made no arrests.

02:57:23.000 They'd have to create new laws.

02:57:24.000 They'd be like, you're an oxygen smuggler.

02:57:27.000 You breathe too much oxygen.

02:57:28.000 We got to take you down.

02:57:29.000 Well, you know what they would likely do?

02:57:31.000 They'd probably likely get people to conspire to do something.

02:57:36.000 They would go undercover and then create crime and then arrest people for agreeing with them.

02:57:41.000 Like, we're going to go rob that bank.

02:57:43.000 I guarantee we can make some money.

02:57:44.000 Yeah, man, you want to rob that bank, make some money?

02:57:46.000 As long as you're sure we can make some money, I'm sure we can make some money.

02:57:46.000 I'm in.

02:57:49.000 And they set it all up and then, all right, everybody, put your hands up.

02:57:52.000 You're going to rob this bank.

02:57:54.000 Use your fucking idea, man.

02:57:56.000 Like, that right now is legal.

02:57:58.000 And that right now is how they bust people for drugs. 0.89

02:58:00.000 They do it all the time.

02:58:01.000 They bust people for drugs where they have fake drug deals, where they put people in jail for significant amounts of time for drugs that never existed.

02:58:10.000 They thought they were going to buy and sell these drugs.

02:58:12.000 They get them on conspiracy to buy and sell drugs.

02:58:15.000 They believe they're real drugs.

02:58:16.000 But the drugs are just a fiction of the DEA's imagination and a big part of the theater that's been put on.

02:58:22.000 They do it with terrorism.

02:58:23.000 That mentally challenged guy that they arrested a few years back in Dallas was a perfect example of that. 1.00

02:58:29.000 They gave this guy a fake bomb, set it up, convinced him that you're going to take this bomb and you're going to fucking blow this building up in the name of Allah.

02:58:38.000 And they got this mentally challenged guy, set him up, got him to do it, talked him into it, gave him the fake bomb, and then when he went to detonate it, they arrested him. 0.54

02:58:48.000 But to play devil's advocate, to play national security state advocate and be the homeland type character, that kind of person who's that dumb or that easily influenced, they're going to bounce around and come up against something ugly at some point.

02:59:04.000 Oh, yeah.

02:59:05.000 Yeah, I mean, there's a fine line with entrapment.

02:59:08.000 I think that they should be doing some of those undercover sting things because that's how you find out who is the bad guy.

02:59:13.000 Yeah.

02:59:14.000 And any normal person would be like, no, I'm good.

02:59:16.000 I'm not going to take the bombs and go do the thing.

02:59:19.000 That's the choice the person makes.

02:59:21.000 And that's one of those areas where I think some of it is going over the line, but I think they have to do that too.

02:59:27.000 Well, I think the idea of the wounded antelope, that it's better to take them out quickly before the crocodiles get them at the water hole, there's some merit to that.

02:59:37.000 Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

02:59:38.000 This is a dumb guy whose mind is fertile for radicalism.

02:59:42.000 Yeah.

02:59:42.000 You know, it's better to get the fake radicalism than the real thing.

02:59:45.000 Or figure out a way to let this poor bastard know that he's stupid and don't listen to everybody because they're going to try to get you to blow up a building and they're going to lock you in a fucking cage.

02:59:54.000 I mean, that guy right now is in a jail somewhere, and he probably will remain in that jail for a long fucking time.

02:59:59.000 And there's not a lot of recourse.

03:00:01.000 And he probably was super excited about this new thing that he was involved in because finally his life had some meaning.

03:00:08.000 Because without that, without this spiritual connection to this jihad that he was about to commit, like, what kind of a connection did he have to his own existence?

03:00:17.000 I mean, he might have been dancing through life completely aimlessly, always depressed, always sad, and then all of a sudden he's a part of something exciting.

03:00:25.000 Right.

03:00:26.000 They call him his brothers and all this shit.

03:00:28.000 Brother, we have the bomb.

03:00:29.000 We are ready.

03:00:30.000 Oh, I mean, you know, one thing that I recognize, and I'm not, obviously I'm not a religious person, but one thing that I do recognize when I watch, I mean, even religions that I have no experience in at all, like Islamic mosques when they're giving these speeches and they're talking about the value of Islam, that Islam is the truth and everybody's, you know, agreeing and, you know, and saying, you know, Allah waqba, they're all like yelling it out.

03:00:57.000 And there's this feeling of camaraderie that's very attractive about that.

03:01:01.000 Even if you know it's bullshit.

03:01:02.000 Even if you know it doesn't make any sense.

03:01:04.000 Even if it's Scientology, even if it's Mormonism, whenever you've got a big group of people that agree on something and they're all fucking completely committed to it, you're like, oh, I want to be in with those guys.

03:01:16.000 Like there's a part of you that wants to be in that group because there's a lot of energy in that group.

03:01:21.000 They're committed to it.

03:01:23.000 They're all saying the same old ancient shit.

03:01:25.000 Allah waqba.

03:01:26.000 They're all chanting it together.

03:01:28.000 Like there's power in that.

03:01:30.000 Why?

03:01:30.000 Because Islam is the truth.

03:01:32.000 Never to clapse.

03:01:33.000 Yay, Allah waqba. 0.91

03:01:35.000 And you see that, that, that, the draw of that.

03:01:38.000 Like, it's, it's tangible to me.

03:01:40.000 I'm not joining.

03:01:41.000 I don't want to join.

03:01:42.000 But I would be lying if I said that I didn't see the appeal of the camaraderie of any sort of a group that you're absolutely committed to.

03:01:51.000 I think there's something really attractive about being the person to stand back and be like, wait a second, this is all fucking shit.

03:01:58.000 You know what I mean?

03:01:59.000 Oh, there's definitely that.

03:02:01.000 You can be the person in the Middle East who has Twitter on your phone and Google News, and you can see the limitations of being fed this angry radicalism based on some stuff that happened a thousand years ago.

03:02:16.000 There's that too.

03:02:17.000 Yeah.

03:02:18.000 There's that too.

03:02:18.000 But what I'm saying is the opposite of that.

03:02:20.000 What I'm saying is that I see the appeal of joining these organizations.

03:02:24.000 We want to be a part of a Klan. 0.97

03:02:26.000 Have you seen A Most Wanted Man?

03:02:28.000 No, what's that?

03:02:28.000 It was Philip Seymour Hoffman's last movie.

03:02:31.000 I just saw it recently.

03:02:32.000 Was it good?

03:02:33.000 It was good.

03:02:34.000 It's like a slow, realistic version of a homeland episode.

03:02:38.000 So they're in Hamburg, Germany, and he's this counterterrorism spy, and they're tracking these Muslim radicals through Hamburg and trying to build a case against one of them. 0.88

03:02:49.000 And so it really is like, you see the more maybe realistic or maybe less glamorous side of counterterrorism.

03:02:56.000 And it's like, at least based on this movie, it's a lot of hanging around mosques and trying to figure out who the bad guys are. 0.67

03:03:02.000 Yeah, I would imagine there's a lot of that if you're trying to infiltrate, if you're really trying to become a part of their movement.

03:03:07.000 But anyway, point is it's a really good movie and it gets you to see like just how fucked it is that these young guys get into these mosques and stuff and then become influenced by charismatic personalities and can do a lot of damage. 0.61

03:03:23.000 And it's the pattern that's been established.

03:03:25.000 The pattern that's been established is one of violence, of suicide bombings, and when that pattern becomes established, that's what people sort of accept.

03:03:34.000 If that existed in Christianity, Christianity was overwhelmed with suicide bombings and people really believed they were going to heaven.

03:03:42.000 If they blew themselves up in a marketplace, you'd see similar behavior.

03:03:46.000 It's a human pattern.

03:03:48.000 When these patterns get established, it's very difficult to break them off.

03:03:53.000 And it's weird how some get established, but they're not logical.

03:03:57.000 Human patterns can be completely illogical.

03:03:59.000 Human patterns can involve cutting holes in your lips and putting plates in them and stretching them out. 0.55

03:04:05.000 That's a real human pattern that somehow or another got adopted.

03:04:08.000 And the size of the plate became directly proportionate to the amount of cows you're worth when you get married.

03:04:15.000 That's so unlikely.

03:04:16.000 If you saw that on paper, if somebody proposed that as an episode of a television show, that there's these people that we run into and they're a tribe and they have a plate they stick in their lip.

03:04:25.000 Why would they put a plate in their lip?

03:04:26.000 Well, because the bigger the plate, the more cows they'll be worth when they get married. 1.00

03:04:29.000 Get the fuck out of here.

03:04:30.000 That's a stupid plot point.

03:04:32.000 People wouldn't even agree with it.

03:04:33.000 They would say that's a dumb idea for a show.

03:04:35.000 But meanwhile, that is a very real thing.

03:04:38.000 I mean, those people exist.

03:04:40.000 There's many photos of them.

03:04:41.000 They knock out their lower teeth so that the plates fit in better.

03:04:44.000 It's fucking ridiculous.

03:04:46.000 So patterns don't have to be logical.

03:04:49.000 They just have to exist.

03:04:50.000 And people slip right into them.

03:04:52.000 You know, we've talked about this before, but the semen people of New Guinea, where they force young boys to ingest their semen because it's going to make them grow stronger and healthier. 0.98

03:05:03.000 They call themselves the semen warriors. 0.83

03:05:05.000 Do they really?

03:05:05.000 Oh, dude, it's the most...

03:05:10.000 It is one of the strangest fucking places in the world.

03:05:14.000 And you're talking about thousands of people.

03:05:16.000 Thousands of people that do this.

03:05:18.000 They take the son from the mom at an early age and the new male companion, whatever it is, starts butt fucking them and mouth fucking them. 0.56

03:05:28.000 And that's how they tell them they have to do this in order for them to grow strong.

03:05:33.000 I mean, it's fucking crazy.

03:05:35.000 And that's a pattern.

03:05:37.000 That pattern is just, it exists.

03:05:40.000 It exists in a strange place, but it's there.

03:05:43.000 They're isolated.

03:05:44.000 And you can study them.

03:05:46.000 And people have gone in there and examined their culture enough that they write on it.

03:05:51.000 And they have in-detailed descriptions from people that have gone through it.

03:05:55.000 It's nuts.

03:05:56.000 That does sound extremely nutty.

03:05:59.000 People are fucking crazy, David Seaman.

03:06:01.000 Crazy as fuck.

03:06:03.000 That's why we got to get people upgraded.

03:06:06.000 Get them on Bitcoin.

03:06:07.000 You and this fucking Bitcoin.

03:06:09.000 You're making me anti-Bitcoin.

03:06:11.000 I hear one more Bitcoin out of your fucking mouth. 1.00

03:06:13.000 That's your solution for everything.

03:06:14.000 Bitcoin.

03:06:15.000 Mushrooms and Bitcoin.

03:06:17.000 You should sell a t-shirt on DavidSeaman.com.

03:06:20.000 Mushrooms and Bitcoin.

03:06:21.000 Mushrooms and Bitcoin.

03:06:22.000 Marijuana and Bitcoin.

03:06:23.000 Speaking of mushrooms, the other day the New York Times, the homepage of the New York Times, had an op-ed on mushrooms.

03:06:29.000 Like very forward-thinking shit.

03:06:31.000 And millions of people are reading that if it's on the New York Times.

03:06:34.000 Things are changing.

03:06:35.000 Well, they're being forced to catch up.

03:06:37.000 The Internet is, you know, Johns Hopkins University published that study many years ago.

03:06:42.000 You know, the one about people that were taking psilocybin and had their lives changed for the better permanently.

03:06:48.000 There's been MDMA studies that have been released.

03:06:51.000 There's a lot of studies.

03:06:52.000 It's like they're being forced to the overwhelming amount of information that's coming out.

03:06:56.000 They're being forced to address it now in mainstream publications.

03:06:59.000 The CNN piece on ayahuasca, Sanjay Gupta's pieces and his complete 180-degree turnaround on marijuana.

03:07:08.000 What's weird is when people who are critics go, well, you're not really connecting to some global universal mind.

03:07:15.000 You're just ingesting the substance that allows the two hemispheres of your mind to communicate better.

03:07:20.000 And I go, if that's the case, why aren't I allowed to use that?

03:07:24.000 If it's something that's improving my cognitive ability or improving my mind's ability to figure out deep-seated challenges, what's wrong with that?

03:07:34.000 There's nothing wrong with it.

03:07:35.000 There's no bodies.

03:07:36.000 People aren't dying mushrooms.

03:07:38.000 And on top of that, the people that say, you're not doing this, you're just doing that, unless you have personal experience in heavy-duty breakthrough-level psychedelic experiences, unless you have one of those under your belt, you really don't know what you're talking about.

03:07:53.000 You're guessing on what it's like.

03:07:54.000 And what it's like is so far beyond the capabilities of your imagination that this is a ridiculous conversation.

03:08:01.000 It's like a blind person trying to describe to you what the universe looks like. 0.69

03:08:06.000 And you're like, oh, okay.

03:08:08.000 Well, that's what it looks like to you, and you can't see.

03:08:11.000 When you get your eyes fixed, come to me and I'll explain to you why I know what blue looks like.

03:08:15.000 I'll explain to you what a chicken is.

03:08:17.000 I'll show you what a giraffe looks like in real life.

03:08:20.000 But right now, you're just guessing, motherfucker.

03:08:23.000 Can't figure out what a giraffe looks like with your fingers.

03:08:25.000 You got to put a lot of data together.

03:08:27.000 You try to get a blind man to draw a picture of a giraffe after you let him fucking handle this giraffe, fondling in a giraffe dick and reaching up to the giraffe, like getting on a fucking stepladder, reaching all the way up to the top of the giraffe, petting it. 0.89

03:08:39.000 Like, okay, draw a picture of the giraffe.

03:08:41.000 That fucking thing's gonna look ridiculous.

03:08:44.000 It's gonna look like a chia pet with a fucking rake growing out of its head.

03:08:47.000 They're not gonna know what that thing looks like.

03:08:48.000 Yeah.

03:08:51.000 David Seaman, we're out of time.

03:08:51.000 The end.

03:08:53.000 We just said three hours.

03:08:54.000 This is a lot of fun.

03:08:55.000 Yeah, always, man.

03:08:56.000 Only one piss break.

03:08:57.000 It doesn't seem like three hours.

03:08:58.000 You did it.

03:08:59.000 You hung in there.

03:09:00.000 You're probably ready to go again right now, aren't you?

03:09:02.000 I'm good.

03:09:03.000 You're good.

03:09:04.000 The power of Bitcoin is allowing him to hold his bladder.

03:09:07.000 Your podcast, your Twitter, give people, it's D underscore Seaman, S-E-A-M-A-N on Twitter.

03:09:15.000 Yep.

03:09:16.000 Your podcast.

03:09:17.000 David Seaman Hour on iTunes and DavidSeaman.com.

03:09:20.000 For more insight and more Bitcoin talk, go there.

03:09:24.000 David Seaman, always good to talk to you, brother.

03:09:26.000 Always.

03:09:27.000 Always interesting conversations.

03:09:29.000 We will be back tomorrow with young Bill Burr and a lot, lot more coming up next week.

03:09:35.000 Lots of good guests.

03:09:36.000 I'm very excited.

03:09:37.000 And you should be too.

03:09:37.000 All right.

03:09:38.000 If you're not, I get it.

03:09:39.000 I understand.

03:09:40.000 We've had a lot of these.

03:09:41.000 This is 582.

03:09:43.000 God damn.

03:09:43.000 See you soon.

03:09:43.000 All right.

03:09:44.000 Bye-bye.

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03:10:40.000 That's on December 2nd.

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03:10:58.000 That's the Mirage in Vegas, January 2nd.

03:11:01.000 All right, lots of good shit coming up.

03:11:02.000 And thank you, everybody, for everything.

03:11:05.000 Thanks for listening to the podcast.

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03:11:10.000 All right.

03:11:10.000 I enjoyed doing it.

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The Joe Rogan Experience - December 03, 2014

Joe Rogan Experience #582 - David Seaman

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