The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #640 - Charles C. Johnson

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00:08:41.000 My guest today is a young man, a very intelligent young man.

00:08:47.000 And his name is Charles Johnson.

00:08:50.000 And Charles Johnson, very controversial.

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00:09:14.000 So without any further ado, please welcome Mr. Charles Johnson.

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00:09:31.000 Hello, Charles or Chuck.

00:09:33.000 So Chuck is my internet name.

00:09:33.000 Which one?

00:09:35.000 Charles is like my real person name.

00:09:37.000 Oh, you're one of those dudes.

00:09:39.000 You got a dual personality thing going on?

00:09:41.000 Well, somebody took, some dude in like Michigan took at Charles C. Johnson.

00:09:45.000 So I was like, all right, Chuck it is then.

00:09:48.000 Does anybody actually call you Chuck?

00:09:49.000 Yeah, like my grandma and like a few people from Boston, but not that many folks.

00:09:55.000 What part of Boston are you from?

00:09:56.000 I'm from Unit 7 Hillstop, like on the Red Line.

00:10:01.000 What would that be?

00:10:01.000 Like the Dorchester Southeast line.

00:10:03.000 So I'm from there.

00:10:04.000 Then we moved to Milton when I went to school.

00:10:08.000 Dorchester's a rough neighborhood.

00:10:10.000 It was more rough back in the day.

00:10:12.000 Now it's become kind of a Vietnamese kind of, you know, there are lots of gays that have moved in.

00:10:16.000 It's kind of moved a little upscale.

00:10:18.000 Interesting.

00:10:19.000 The gays are very good at making things upscale.

00:10:21.000 It's gentrification.

00:10:23.000 You're allowed to say the gays still, but you can't say the blacks.

00:10:25.000 Have you noticed that?

00:10:26.000 The gays? 0.99

00:10:27.000 I have noticed that.

00:10:28.000 My rule is that if it's one syllable, if it's like fewer syllables, you should be allowed to say it.

00:10:33.000 The.

00:10:34.000 But African American, it's really like a long word.

00:10:38.000 Like blacks, it's just simple. 1.00

00:10:39.000 It's like quick.

00:10:40.000 You can tweet it faster.

00:10:41.000 Right.

00:10:42.000 Caucasians.

00:10:43.000 Too much.

00:10:44.000 Should be whites. 1.00

00:10:45.000 The whites. 0.88

00:10:46.000 You can say the whites because they're, you know, the preferred. 0.99

00:10:50.000 What is it?

00:10:51.000 How would you say?

00:10:52.000 The privileged class?

00:10:53.000 You're allowed to say the whites. 0.98

00:10:54.000 But if you say the blacks, it sounds like derogatory.

00:10:57.000 It is.

00:10:58.000 It depends on the tone, too.

00:10:59.000 Like, I think Jews is one of those words, too, where if you say the wrong tone, it's bad.

00:11:04.000 Yeah, if you say the Jews have won more Nobel Prizes than any other people, then you're all right. 1.00

00:11:09.000 European Jews, which is true. 1.00

00:11:11.000 They've won more Nobel Prizes for science than I think than any other race or gender or religion.

00:11:17.000 It's not really a race, though.

00:11:18.000 Jews are very confusing because you would call it a race, but it's not necessarily based on a religion.

00:11:25.000 But they don't proselytize, so it's kind of its own thing.

00:11:28.000 And then you just look at how wealthy they are and how successful they are.

00:11:31.000 It's kind of interesting.

00:11:32.000 It's a grind to get into.

00:11:34.000 If you want to become a Jew, my uncle Salvatore Dijolando became a Jew, married a Jewish woman, and he had to go through the whole grind.

00:11:43.000 But that motherfucker had to work.

00:11:44.000 Like, you got to learn a bunch of shit.

00:11:46.000 You got to go to Hebrew school.

00:11:48.000 It's not easy.

00:11:49.000 It's pretty legit.

00:11:50.000 It's so legit.

00:11:51.000 It's not like, you know, I became a Catholic and it was kind of easy.

00:11:56.000 Just got to show up for a few things.

00:11:58.000 Yeah, like you could be a born-again Christian tomorrow. 0.97

00:12:00.000 You can walk into any church and say, I want to be a Christian.

00:12:02.000 Like, come on in, son.

00:12:04.000 The Lord has touched you.

00:12:05.000 Or you just have to say, what is the Shahada for Muslims, right?

00:12:05.000 Yeah.

00:12:09.000 You just have to say that, and you're good.

00:12:09.000 Is that what you have to do?

00:12:11.000 Like, that's all it is.

00:12:12.000 Not the Jews. 1.00

00:12:13.000 You got to jump through hoops.

00:12:14.000 You got to work.

00:12:15.000 They got to look at you sideways.

00:12:16.000 They're vetting you.

00:12:17.000 I don't know about this motherfucker.

00:12:20.000 When did they start using the term youths for blacks?

00:12:25.000 Because that is.

00:12:25.000 That's a great question.

00:12:26.000 That is, they never say youths stealing and rioting when they're dealing with white people.

00:12:33.000 They will say white teenagers causing violence.

00:12:38.000 They don't say youths.

00:12:39.000 Well, you remember like two years ago, there was like this Huntington Beach riot when people were stealing bicycles and stuff.

00:12:45.000 I was there, like with my wife.

00:12:46.000 We were just like chilling on the beach.

00:12:48.000 And we start seeing all these cops show up.

00:12:51.000 And we're like, what the hell's going on?

00:12:52.000 Like, is it martial law?

00:12:53.000 Like, what's happening?

00:12:54.000 Cause in the movies, you know, like some stuff starts to happen and then like all the cops show up and it's like riots.

00:12:59.000 So it's like, we were just kind of confused or whatever.

00:13:01.000 And the whole like riot took place in like an hour and people like turned over a few porta potties.

00:13:06.000 And so, everyone's been like tweeting out pictures of that as like white people riot too.

00:13:11.000 And I'm like, no, no, like this is not, this is not comparable.

00:13:14.000 Like, I was there for that, I didn't even know what was going on.

00:13:17.000 Well, the only way you could compare it is: are there pockets of white people that experience such absolute poverty like pockets of black people? 0.94

00:13:26.000 And until you have that, it's really difficult to make that sort of a comparison.

00:13:32.000 Like, there's no giant ghettos of white people the way there are giant ghettos of black people. 0.79

00:13:37.000 I don't know what that would even look like.

00:13:39.000 Yeah.

00:13:39.000 I mean, sure, like the Depression, like back in the old days.

00:13:42.000 Yeah, like maybe Irish and the Italians back in the day.

00:13:46.000 Yeah, back in the early 1900s, I'm sure there were places like that.

00:13:50.000 We also used to be like a much more violent, like white people used to be much more violent, I think, too. 0.99

00:13:55.000 Like, if you just think about like the index of like barroom fights and all that stuff, it's all been like plummeting.

00:14:01.000 And I don't know if that's because we're becoming like pussies or like what that's about. 0.93

00:14:04.000 But like, if you just think about it, like, when was the last time you heard of like a legit bar fight recently?

00:14:09.000 In Canada.

00:14:10.000 They still fucking throw down in Canada.

00:14:12.000 Yeah, but they're Canadians. 0.98

00:14:13.000 It's kind of like a different thing.

00:14:14.000 Yeah, they're a different kind of white people.

00:14:16.000 They're more polite, too, which is odd.

00:14:18.000 But they will fuck you up in a bar.

00:14:21.000 Like Jack on Hyde, the booze flows.

00:14:24.000 Yeah.

00:14:24.000 It comes out.

00:14:25.000 Well, it's also they have a long tradition of hockey fights.

00:14:28.000 So they have like this sport that you could use as like an analogy to society.

00:14:33.000 And in that sport, occasionally shit goes wrong and they just start duking it out.

00:14:37.000 But you know, like, I was talking to Govin McInnis, and they like, they, like, don't have black people there.

00:14:41.000 It's like the strangest thing.

00:14:42.000 What do you mean, in Canada?

00:14:43.000 Yeah, but not, I mean, they have them, but they're like not on our scale.

00:14:46.000 Like, they don't have like urban ghettos like we have. 1.00

00:14:48.000 Right, that is true.

00:14:49.000 Yeah.

00:14:49.000 You know, like, um, there is sort of no Baltimore equivalent in Canada.

00:14:54.000 Well, they didn't have the level of slavery.

00:14:56.000 I'm sure there was some slavery in Canada, but the level of slavery in comparison to the United States.

00:15:01.000 I mean, we conveniently, people always want to go, oh, that was so long ago.

00:15:07.000 Not really.

00:15:08.000 No.

00:15:08.000 Yeah, no, I mean, 150 years, right?

00:15:10.000 That ain't shit.

00:15:11.000 I mean, Ben Affleck's ancestors owned slaves, right?

00:15:13.000 Isn't that funny that he was trying to cover that up?

00:15:16.000 I want to know what that conversation was like.

00:15:17.000 Like, if Skip Gates comes in and he's like, yo, there's something you should know.

00:15:22.000 Like, I want to know what that was like.

00:15:24.000 How would you break that to somebody?

00:15:27.000 I guess you would call them.

00:15:30.000 Well, I don't understand why anybody would want to cover up the fact that someone in their, I guess, because he's benefited from that.

00:15:38.000 Well, he's called for reparations in the past.

00:15:41.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:15:41.000 He has.

00:15:42.000 So I wonder if he's like, should I pay up now?

00:15:42.000 Interesting.

00:15:45.000 Like, how does that work?

00:15:46.000 That ain't going to fucking fix shit.

00:15:48.000 It's like reparations is like giving people the lottery money.

00:15:52.000 Like, lottery winners, they all go broke.

00:15:54.000 You just give people reparation money.

00:15:56.000 That's not going to make them feel better.

00:15:58.000 The only way reparations are really going to work is if you look at, if you look at, okay, say you got 1865 was when slavery was abolished, right?

00:16:07.000 Yeah, in this country, yeah.

00:16:08.000 Look at the areas where people had slaves.

00:16:12.000 Look at the ghettos. 1.00

00:16:13.000 Look at these almost entirely black communities that are ridiculously impoverished. 1.00

00:16:18.000 And then look at this cycle and say, all right, there's got to be a way this can be fixed.

00:16:23.000 This has got to be a way this can be mitigated.

00:16:24.000 There's got to be a way you can, I mean, a lot of people say that that sounds like socialism.

00:16:28.000 That's all well and good.

00:16:29.000 But until someone steps in and does something with these incredibly impoverished areas, you're going to have this repeating cycle over and over again of people who were born in poverty in crime-ridden streets that have children that were born in poverty and crime-ridden streets.

00:16:46.000 And occasionally, an athlete breaks through, and occasionally a comedian breaks through, or a rapper, or a musician, or someone escapes this cycle.

00:16:55.000 But most people do not.

00:16:57.000 And that is a symptomatic problem with these areas.

00:17:01.000 I mean, you have a symptom that needs to be addressed.

00:17:05.000 You have a huge issue that needs to be addressed.

00:17:08.000 And that's, if you wanted to say that there should be reparations for slavery, that should be the reparations.

00:17:13.000 Not like individuals getting a check.

00:17:15.000 That's not going to fix shit.

00:17:17.000 You got to go in and figure out how to make these areas safer, how to make communities safer, how to make community centers and give people counseling and better education.

00:17:29.000 Do you think that would actually work?

00:17:30.000 So there's this thing called the Shaker Heights effect, where they found that even wealthy black suburbs in Shaker Heights, Ohio, still don't really do all that well.

00:17:40.000 The Asian kids still do better academically. 0.98

00:17:44.000 I don't know.

00:17:45.000 I mean, I used to be one of these guys that thinks that we could just solve the problems of the ghetto and move everyone out and everything would work out. 1.00

00:17:53.000 But I think there's something to be said that some people like living there.

00:17:56.000 There's kind of like an undercurrent of our society that digs the poverty stuff, that digs the gangster style.

00:18:02.000 I think a lot of the people that do, it's because it's familiar.

00:18:06.000 It's how they grew up.

00:18:07.000 I mean, I think if you took that same child from birth and, you know, trans, I mean, if you, if you could, obviously couldn't do it, but if you could live two completely separate lives, if you could have two of the exact same people, and one of them is born to a really happy, educated black couple, and they live in a nice suburb of Atlanta where they go to great schools, and the other one is in Baltimore. 0.98

00:18:34.000 And you get to see the same child develop with different stimuli and different environment.

00:18:40.000 And one of them is like, fuck, I like the ghetto. 0.54

00:18:42.000 And the other one is like, man, I'm glad I don't live in Baltimore.

00:18:44.000 I mean, you, you.

00:18:45.000 But you know, I got to say, like, so I was talking to my cousin.

00:18:45.000 Yeah.

00:18:47.000 My cousin, like, is an employer in Baltimore.

00:18:49.000 Like, I know a number of people like in Baltimore, a number of black people.

00:18:52.000 And there's so many people who are just sick of this shit.

00:18:54.000 Oh, yeah.

00:18:54.000 Like, so many black.

00:18:55.000 Like, we never hear from like from them.

00:18:57.000 Like, we never hear like, oh, fuck, like riots.

00:18:59.000 You know, like, can you imagine like we're just like chilling here and there, like, a riot breaks out?

00:19:03.000 I mean, that's like, it's like a legit thing that you have to worry about when you live in some of these communities.

00:19:08.000 Yeah, it is.

00:19:08.000 It absolutely is.

00:19:10.000 But again, I don't think it's the, it's a fucked up thing to say, but I don't think it's the fault of the people that live there.

00:19:15.000 I think the people that live there, if you look at those kids that robbed that RT reporter, did you see that shit?

00:19:19.000 That was wild.

00:19:19.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:19:20.000 Wild.

00:19:21.000 That was like something out of like a movie.

00:19:22.000 That was like the purge.

00:19:23.000 You know what I loved about it?

00:19:24.000 They got saved by the cops.

00:19:26.000 The RT reporter got saved by the cops.

00:19:27.000 The cops came in and tackled the guy that stole the purse from the RT man.

00:19:31.000 Like, there you go.

00:19:32.000 You need cops, okay?

00:19:33.000 So for all these fucking crazy, ultra-progressive, fuck the police people.

00:19:37.000 It's not fuck the police.

00:19:39.000 It's imagine doing the fucking job of the police.

00:19:42.000 It's an impossible job.

00:19:44.000 So it is.

00:19:45.000 You know, I saw, so, I mean, I was the guy who sued to get Michael Brown's juvenile records.

00:19:49.000 Like, we sued unsuccessfully.

00:19:50.000 I think we went all the way to the Supreme Court of Missouri.

00:19:53.000 Like, I like fought this one really hard because, like, people should know what these communities are actually like.

00:19:59.000 Like, Canfield Apartments, where Brown was from, is like a fucked up hellhole. 1.00

00:20:04.000 And, like, the more we're just, we got to be honest about these places.

00:20:07.000 And, like, we need people to actually see them.

00:20:09.000 So, whenever we get these riots, it's like, on the one hand, like, it's sad.

00:20:12.000 And, like, you know, I'm obviously worried about my family that's there.

00:20:15.000 But, like, on the other hand, it's like, it's such a great illustration of like reality, you know, like of like, you know, forget all of your progressive social justice nonsense.

00:20:24.000 And like, in the final analysis, when the shit goes down, you either want to have a gun, you want to know a Korean who's got a gun, like you're in LA, right? 0.80

00:20:31.000 Or you want to like, you know, take care of, take care of business.

00:20:34.000 And people don't, people don't get that.

00:20:36.000 This whole like, fuck the police mentality is really causing some serious stuff to go wrong in our society right now because people are starting to have this like mindset that like cops are evil, that they're predatory, that they're dangerous.

00:20:49.000 And it's obvious why the Obama administration is pushing it because they get these consent decrees in where they can basically rewrite the policing rules and essentially take over the policing departments.

00:20:59.000 So it's obvious like it's a power grab for like the control of these cities.

00:21:04.000 And that's why like I think we should be very, very cautious about how far we push it because, I mean, yeah, there are some messed up cops and I think, but you know, you have to walk a day in these people's shoes.

00:21:14.000 Like I did a ride along with the LAPD, which I highly recommend.

00:21:17.000 And there's some stuff that they have to deal with just like on a routine basis that's pretty wild, like even here in LA, you know?

00:21:24.000 Oh, they certainly do.

00:21:25.000 I think the issue is not that cops are bad and that, you know, we need to clean up the police department.

00:21:34.000 The issue is we need to figure out a way to make society safer for everybody involved, including the people that are stuck in those places like Brown's apartment complex and the neighborhood that he lived in.

00:21:45.000 And, you know, growing up in that neighborhood, man, you're going to be fucked.

00:21:48.000 You're fucked.

00:21:49.000 You're growing up around thugs.

00:21:51.000 Your friends are all criminals.

00:21:52.000 It's just that people imitate their atmosphere.

00:21:55.000 We always have.

00:21:56.000 But, you know, like, if you take Brown as an example, right?

00:21:58.000 We do a bunch of research on him.

00:21:59.000 And he had an, so he went to the second most violent public school in like all of Missouri.

00:22:05.000 And he actually chose to stay there.

00:22:07.000 Like he could have moved out with, I think his.

00:22:10.000 Yeah, so that's what I'm saying, though, is that like, you know, to some people, like, living in these environments can actually be kind of rewarding.

00:22:16.000 If you're a big dude and you don't have a lot of skills, you can be Big Mike and be an enforcer, you know?

00:22:20.000 Right, but if Big Mike was living in, you know, San Francisco in a really nice neighborhood, progressive parents and went to good schools from the time he was a baby, he would be a different human being.

00:22:30.000 I mean, so, yeah, I think you're right.

00:22:32.000 But like, even if you look at like, I mean, if you just look at like the numbers for black on white crime, violence, and all that stuff, it's like, it's pretty, it's pretty shocking, even among relatively affluent areas. 0.95

00:22:43.000 You know, it's, I mean, you know, there's been a lot of discussion, like, is this innate?

00:22:48.000 Is this like just something we have to deal with?

00:22:50.000 Like, there's this whole debate about the MAOA gene, which is like this gene that black American, you know, black Africans have, like much, it's like a proclivity to violence that they have. 1.00

00:23:02.000 M-A-O-A gene. 0.99

00:23:04.000 Yeah.

00:23:05.000 You know, I recommend people Google it and do their own research.

00:23:08.000 It's like a big debate about whether or not, but basically like what it is, is it's, you know, if we, if you think about like, you know, kind of white European Asian ancestors as we kind of moved out of Africa, like aggression and violence was kind of less necessary because we were like farmers and stuff.

00:23:22.000 But God, is that really true, though?

00:23:24.000 I mean, you look at all the violence and murder and death that's been done by the military, and you think about how many people involved in the military are white and how many people making the decisions are white. 0.67

00:23:35.000 I mean, ultimately, that's white people causing violence. 0.97

00:23:38.000 True, but large stuff.

00:23:39.000 I mean, I totally agree with you, right?

00:23:41.000 Like the industrialized kind of like Naziification or like of like the industrial size, like military industrial complex is like a serious threat, no doubt about it.

00:23:49.000 But if you like, there's a book by this guy, Steven Pinker, called like a hit about violence.

00:23:53.000 And he's basically like, look, if you just look throughout human history, violence is actually going down.

00:23:58.000 Because like back in the day, we'd be like in tribal societies and we would go and beat the shit out of this tribe and take their stuff. 0.99

00:24:04.000 And most of the violence was like we'd spring up on people and then just butcher them and steal their women or whatever.

00:24:10.000 And that was like the way politics was back in the world.

00:24:14.000 Isn't that hilarious?

00:24:15.000 That was like a big thing.

00:24:16.000 They would go and steal women. 0.76

00:24:18.000 We're the women. 1.00

00:24:18.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:24:19.000 Gonna come steal them.

00:24:21.000 It's kind of weird to think about that rape culture versus like this one.

00:24:25.000 This fake rape culture that they're trying to promote.

00:24:27.000 Yeah.

00:24:27.000 Well, I think that if you looked at these people, I mean, if you're saying that as a whole, that white folks are generally slowly becoming less and less violent, whereas there's a certain percentage, whatever it is, of black people that contain this gene.

00:24:43.000 Look at what black people have to deal with as opposed to white people, like what we were talking about with Canada.

00:24:48.000 Canada has no black ghetto.

00:24:50.000 If you're growing up in a ghetto is, I mean, you're fucked from birth. 0.98

00:24:56.000 I mean, you really are.

00:24:57.000 There's really not much as far as options to get out.

00:25:00.000 And the constant inundation of negative influences is inescapable.

00:25:06.000 I mean, we always talk about people like, you know, getting out of the ghetto and thriving, right?

00:25:06.000 No doubt.

00:25:10.000 Like, we always like, that's always like the thing you hear when you hear about successful black Americans, right?

00:25:14.000 It's like the one tuna that gets through the net.

00:25:16.000 Right.

00:25:18.000 We never hear about people being like, you know, I started a great small business in the ghetto and the ghetto is, you know, my corner of the ghetto has now got Starbucks on every corner.

00:25:26.000 Well, that was one of the saddest things about Ferguson was they were robbing black-owned businesses.

00:25:30.000 Smashing down the windows, burning them down.

00:25:30.000 Yeah.

00:25:32.000 I mean, it's just like people were freaking out.

00:25:34.000 They were like, god damn it, I'm a part of this fucking community.

00:25:37.000 I didn't shoot that kid.

00:25:38.000 I didn't do anything wrong.

00:25:40.000 You're using this as an opportunity to better yourself.

00:25:42.000 You're using this as an opportunity to steal and just take things and claim that it's because this one guy got shot.

00:25:49.000 Yeah, and you look at like, you know, like my in-law's family, they're Asian immigrants.

00:25:53.000 You know, my wife's an immigrant from, you know, and you look at like the kind of neighborhoods they move into to kind of like, you know, run the corner store or run like The Quickie Mart, or whatever.

00:26:02.000 Terribly racist to say that, but nonetheless, it's like there's some truth in the stereotype.

00:26:06.000 And then you look at, like, welcome to America.

00:26:07.000 We, you know, the Democratic Party, we love immigrants.

00:26:10.000 And yet, if you build your little corner of the American dream, we're not going to protect you when the riots start.

00:26:15.000 And you look at a lot of these businesses that were like burned out in Ferguson.

00:26:18.000 And they were like, you know, a nice guy from India coming to this country, putting away some money for his family, and yet his property was destroyed.

00:26:25.000 And there's a whole bunch of right-wing people on GoFundMe trying to raise money to basically make these people whole.

00:26:33.000 It's kind of wild.

00:26:34.000 But I think the technology plus the history of violence, plus the ghetto politics and the urban policy, I think all that's combining right now to create this massive craziness. 0.95

00:26:44.000 I mean, everyone's got iPhones.

00:26:45.000 Everyone's like, it's like flash mobs meets the real mobs.

00:26:49.000 Everyone does have this unique ability to organize riots or protests or meet at this place and meet at that place.

00:26:57.000 And I have friends that were involved in the Black Lives Matter thing, and they would organize these things.

00:27:02.000 And most of the things I disagreed with, like especially the blocking the highway shit, I was like, you guys are causing death.

00:27:08.000 You're going to cause death.

00:27:09.000 You're going to cause someone's loved ones to die because they can't get to the hospital.

00:27:12.000 That's a fucking fact.

00:27:13.000 Yeah, no, it actually happened, I think, on a few occasions.

00:27:16.000 Yeah, I mean, and then you're doing it because lives matter.

00:27:19.000 Like, hey, look, this is the transportation system.

00:27:21.000 It's the way we get medicine through.

00:27:22.000 It's the way we get people to the hospital.

00:27:24.000 It's the way we get important things happen on these roads.

00:27:27.000 And you're being insanely irresponsible.

00:27:31.000 You want to block something?

00:27:32.000 Find out where they make the laws and don't let anybody leave.

00:27:35.000 Block that. 0.69

00:27:36.000 You want to get arrested somewhere.

00:27:37.000 You want to make a big stink?

00:27:38.000 Go to the fucking Capitol building.

00:27:40.000 Block that fucking thing.

00:27:41.000 Storm the lawn.

00:27:43.000 But you can't block the goddamn highway because that's just too random.

00:27:47.000 I mean, you're from the Boston area too, right?

00:27:50.000 Yeah.

00:27:50.000 So you remember when there was the Boston thing?

00:27:52.000 It was like a Black Lives Matter protest in Boston and they shut down the freeway.

00:27:56.000 And the guy who was running that was this hedge fund.

00:27:58.000 He's the son of some wealthy family.

00:28:01.000 And it's always these super liberal white people who are trying to strike back at the system.

00:28:11.000 And you look at all those people who are like, I mean, it sounds like kind of silly to say this, but if you're delayed from work for like 30 minutes or an hour, that has a serious impact on your whole day.

00:28:21.000 It has an impact on your job.

00:28:23.000 I mean, let's say you're trying to huff it to get to work.

00:28:25.000 Well, hey, man, protests are not supposed to be convenient, man.

00:28:28.000 Yeah, but it's like such a dick thing to do.

00:28:31.000 Well, it's short-sighted.

00:28:33.000 I think the idea that these hedge fund guys realize they were born into this privileged life and they want to somehow or another give back or make an impact, I love that.

00:28:42.000 I think that's great.

00:28:43.000 I just don't think that's the way to do it.

00:28:45.000 And I think that they get organized like, fuck this system, fuck the, yeah, and everybody wants to put a backpack on and run through the street.

00:28:52.000 That is not how you change things.

00:28:54.000 It's just not.

00:28:55.000 It's certainly how you make a little bit of a stink.

00:28:58.000 You make a ripple.

00:28:59.000 You get some cameras on you.

00:29:00.000 And I would hope that some of this stuff will stop some cops from shooting kids when they don't have to.

00:29:07.000 I mean, I think there are times where a police officer is saving someone else's life or trying to protect their own life and they have to use violent force.

00:29:16.000 That's a fact.

00:29:17.000 But there's a lot of times where cops shoot people, where they shouldn't fucking shoot people.

00:29:21.000 And you know it and I know it.

00:29:22.000 We've all seen the videos, and there's no denying it.

00:29:28.000 I mean, like, that's the point.

00:29:29.000 The point is, like, you've got to look at the whole thing.

00:29:32.000 Like we're talking about with the ghettos and white people and violence. 1.00

00:29:36.000 You've got to look at the whole thing.

00:29:38.000 And the whole thing is determinism.

00:29:40.000 There's a bunch of different variables that are taking place that are causing certain actions.

00:29:44.000 And if you just say, you know, we got to block the highway to make black lives matter. 1.00

00:29:48.000 What about a black guy that dies because his fucking wife wants to get him to the hospital because he has a goddamn heart attack? 0.92

00:29:53.000 What about that black life? 0.98

00:29:54.000 You don't give a fuck.

00:29:55.000 But you know, a lot of it, though, is just like, it's like vanity.

00:29:57.000 You know what I mean?

00:29:58.000 It's like posturing.

00:30:01.000 It's like advertising your virtuousness by how much you hate this, right?

00:30:05.000 Or how much you hate that.

00:30:07.000 And what's kind of weird to me is that we've created a culture right now where the people who can basically be professional fuck the system people.

00:30:16.000 And it's wild that these people exist in our society.

00:30:21.000 Basically they wake up every day and they have enough money, they have enough donations, whatever, to basically just fuck the system professionally.

00:30:29.000 And it's like to a certain extent, the system probably has accounted for these people.

00:30:33.000 To a certain extent, they buy them off by giving them working on Wall Street or giving them prestigious internships.

00:30:39.000 But to a certain extent, these people end up becoming tools of the very thing that they're trying to do.

00:30:45.000 How so?

00:30:45.000 In one way.

00:30:46.000 Well, think about it.

00:30:48.000 What are they actually like?

00:30:49.000 They're not really accomplishing anything.

00:30:51.000 And who are these?

00:30:54.000 The social justice warrior types, they're basically reflecting the establishment view of the colleges, right?

00:31:00.000 And what are these colleges?

00:31:01.000 They're basically like giant money pits with have large endowments who then invest in, you know, all kinds of things like in, I mean, in, you know, if you look at like all the investments they're doing, like fossil fuels, you're looking at all the investments they do in like, I mean, colleges are so much a part of the system, right?

00:31:18.000 And what they're doing is the social justice workers are taking their crazy nonsense that they're learning in schools and they're trying to imply it to like the rest of society.

00:31:25.000 But if we did stuff like, if right away what we did was we said, look, any of these college endowments, they have to pay out like 5% of their, you know, of their tuition like we do with foundations, right?

00:31:36.000 Immediately college is free for a lot of people.

00:31:38.000 People aren't in massive student debt.

00:31:40.000 But instead, the colleges fight for their privilege.

00:31:43.000 So I think what I'm trying to say is that basically these people are basically the shock troops for the elite without even knowing that they're shock troops for the elite.

00:31:53.000 If you think about like, if we talk like the rape culture stuff, right?

00:31:56.000 It's like a perfect example of this.

00:31:57.000 People are trying to advance a narrative about women and about society.

00:32:01.000 And it's a power grab.

00:32:03.000 I mean, it's really as simple as that.

00:32:04.000 Like they're trying to end due process rights for young men on campus.

00:32:08.000 They're trying to basically give a, you know, if you don't create a Title IX compliant college, you know, what we're going to do is we're going to sick our trial lawyers on you and sue you.

00:32:17.000 What is Title IX?

00:32:18.000 So basically what the feminists say, right, this is how they get into like the whole college racket. 1.00

00:32:23.000 We could probably talk about that if you want.

00:32:25.000 But basically what they do is they say, all right, you're not creating a college campus environment because you allow too many rapes on campus.

00:32:33.000 You're not creating a college environment that's like conducive to men and women. 0.99

00:32:36.000 So like what you're doing is essentially because you have all these rapists running around, it's harder for girls to get good education. 1.00

00:32:45.000 So, you have to create these like special courts.

00:32:47.000 And if you don't create them to our liking, we're going to sue you.

00:32:49.000 And you have a lot of money because of you have these endowments we just talked about.

00:32:53.000 And so, it's basically like trial lawyers combining with SJWs to basically.

00:32:57.000 SJW being social justice warriors for folks who have a life.

00:33:01.000 Yeah.

00:33:02.000 I mean, it's funny how all this stuff has been reduced to three or four characters.

00:33:06.000 You know, it's like all like POWs. 0.78

00:33:08.000 Yeah, it's the Twitter thing that's like infecting your brain.

00:33:11.000 It's also military.

00:33:12.000 Military IEDs, they love doing that stuff.

00:33:15.000 You know, you talk to guys that have been in the military.

00:33:16.000 They love using those.

00:33:18.000 It's not an acronym, right?

00:33:19.000 acronym is like NASA, right?

00:33:21.000 If you say NASA, like...

00:33:24.000 No, it's like an abbreviation.

00:33:25.000 Whatever it is.

00:33:27.000 I should know what that is.

00:33:29.000 But, okay, so what you're saying is that these people, it almost becomes like a gig.

00:33:37.000 Yeah, they never mentally leave college.

00:33:42.000 Well, that's a real problem with academics in general because a lot of people who are academics, they went to college, they went to graduate school, they got their doctorate, they got their PhD, whatever they got, and then they started teaching, and they never entered the real world.

00:33:55.000 And they live in this world of extreme liberal values, extreme liberal biases.

00:34:00.000 Right, and who pays for that? 0.67

00:34:01.000 Like the tuition of the kids, right?

00:34:03.000 Yes.

00:34:03.000 And then the endowments of these like massively rich schools, which are all invested in like horribly anti-social justice warrior causes.

00:34:10.000 But what is it about colleges?

00:34:12.000 This is where it gets fascinating with me.

00:34:14.000 What is it about colleges that almost invariably lean left?

00:34:19.000 Like there's very few colleges.

00:34:21.000 They weren't always this way, right?

00:34:22.000 I mean, if you look back historically, like in the 20s and stuff, they were kind of right-wing places.

00:34:27.000 I kind of hate left and right.

00:34:28.000 I really do.

00:34:30.000 I'm really mad at myself that I just said it because I am just as right as I am left.

00:34:30.000 I kind of hate saying it.

00:34:35.000 I mean, I am pro-gay rights, pro-gay marriage, pro-transgender rights, transgender marriage, pro-abortion.

00:34:44.000 I'm pro-choice.

00:34:46.000 I'm pro.

00:34:46.000 I'm so left in so many ways.

00:34:49.000 I'm against the drug war.

00:34:50.000 I'm against privatized prisons.

00:34:53.000 I'm pro-legalization of drugs.

00:34:56.000 I'm against police violence.

00:34:58.000 But I'm also in the NRA.

00:35:00.000 I also think that military is important.

00:35:03.000 I think if you go to parts of the world and see how fucked up it is and you don't think you need to have a military, well, you're being a child because we don't live in utopia yet.

00:35:11.000 We're not in a time in the world where it's safe.

00:35:15.000 We're not.

00:35:16.000 We haven't reached some age of enlightenment.

00:35:18.000 We're on some strange gradual progression pace to one day be free of all the ape violence that lives in our genetics. 1.00

00:35:28.000 I don't see it happening anytime soon.

00:35:30.000 I mean, if you look at what's happening in Baltimore, it seems like a lot of the times our kind of primal instincts and our kind of violent stuff seems like it's lurking just beneath that thin veneer of civilization.

00:35:39.000 But that's Baltimore.

00:35:40.000 And here's the other problem.

00:35:42.000 We're talking about a country of 350 million people.

00:35:44.000 Sure.

00:35:45.000 Yet here we are in Woodland Hills.

00:35:46.000 Go outside.

00:35:47.000 What are you going to see?

00:35:48.000 Your birds chirping.

00:35:48.000 It's beautiful.

00:35:49.000 It's sunny out.

00:35:50.000 People are nice.

00:35:51.000 Go to Starbucks down the street.

00:35:52.000 They'll say, hi, can I help you?

00:35:54.000 Everybody's friendly.

00:35:55.000 You know, this isn't barbarian culture of the dark ages.

00:35:58.000 Race matters or something.

00:36:00.000 That's hilarious.

00:36:01.000 When they tried to do that, is that the quickest a company has ever abandoned an idea?

00:36:07.000 Let's explain it to people who, a lot of people, again, who have lives, unlike us, they might have missed this first.

00:36:13.000 I thought it was ridiculous.

00:36:15.000 I thought it was the onion.

00:36:16.000 And then I looked into the corporate leadership of it, and they're like all white dudes. 0.92

00:36:20.000 They're like all white dudes and white chicks. 1.00

00:36:22.000 Hey, I got an idea.

00:36:23.000 This is the way that we can make things different.

00:36:25.000 Let's encourage our baristas to talk about race.

00:36:30.000 Hey, you want a cappuccino?

00:36:33.000 How do you feel about black people?

00:36:35.000 What about race?

00:36:36.000 I wonder what that, I would say, I wanted to go in.

00:36:39.000 So like my buddy and I went into the Compton, you know, Starbucks, like right when they were doing this.

00:36:44.000 And I was wearing like a suit and like a, you know, expensive tie, like all that stuff.

00:36:48.000 We come in there and like, we're the only white dudes in there.

00:36:50.000 Like we're the, you know, we're the dot and the domino.

00:36:52.000 You know what I mean?

00:36:53.000 And we're like walking up and I was so, because they had the race matters things out.

00:36:57.000 And I was like reading it.

00:36:58.000 I was like, yeah, we try to get them to talk to you.

00:37:00.000 We beat you.

00:37:01.000 And like, and like behind me is like a nation of Islam, like, you know, coffee meetup because apparently they have those.

00:37:07.000 Yeah, seriously.

00:37:08.000 I'm not making this up.

00:37:09.000 Bean pies and coffee.

00:37:10.000 And there's like a picture of me like, yeah, I put it up on my Twitter of me like reading the race matters thing while they're behind me discussing.

00:37:18.000 Oh, that's hilarious.

00:37:19.000 You have that on Twitter?

00:37:20.000 I have that on Twitter.

00:37:20.000 Yeah, find that photo.

00:37:22.000 Find that Twitter and let's put it, I'll retweet it.

00:37:24.000 That's fucking hilarious.

00:37:26.000 But so explain the campaign because a lot of people have no idea what it is.

00:37:29.000 So basically, there's this idea that Starbucks had, which was that like the future of the country, their view is that we're going to be a much more racial society, which is probably true, like, you know, diversity and all that, people moving in, immigration and so forth.

00:37:41.000 And so their view is that we need to get ahead of it and we need to talk about race because that's like a big issue.

00:37:46.000 And their attitude was like, if we get people together talking about stuff in coffee shops, it will be like, you know, it's like the old salons of the 1850s or something.

00:37:54.000 People are going to be like debating issues and politics and all this.

00:37:57.000 And it just totally backfired because people were not having it.

00:38:01.000 They were just making fun of it.

00:38:02.000 They were making fun of the guy who was the head of it.

00:38:05.000 It's fucking unbelievably stupid and poorly planned out, too.

00:38:08.000 The idea that you're just going to put that on, like, weren't they writing it on cups or something like that?

00:38:13.000 They were going to write, yeah, they were going to write it on cups.

00:38:14.000 They were going to basically like.

00:38:16.000 Hashtag race together.

00:38:17.000 Is this the guy?

00:38:18.000 This is the guy.

00:38:20.000 I swear to God, I thought this was an onion thing.

00:38:22.000 Because you know, there's stuff like there's stuff on the internet now.

00:38:25.000 I mean, it's so preposterous.

00:38:27.000 Race together.

00:38:28.000 What the fuck does that even mean?

00:38:29.000 That's a terrible hashtag.

00:38:31.000 It sounds like something for the marathon.

00:38:33.000 Race together.

00:38:34.000 You know, like maybe if you were running a marathon and everybody donated and the charities went towards the human race.

00:38:40.000 Or it's like if you read it, the non-PC, it's race to get her, right?

00:38:46.000 That was a friend of mine who was tweeting.

00:38:48.000 He was like, is this a subtle rape culture thing? 0.66

00:38:53.000 Oh, no, what a backfire.

00:38:56.000 Well, that's why they capitalize the T and the R, sir.

00:38:59.000 No, but You can't not see it once you see that.

00:39:02.000 Oh, you can't not see it.

00:39:03.000 Because there's a picture of the chick. 0.99

00:39:05.000 That's so true.

00:39:06.000 That's so funny.

00:39:07.000 She's got her hands up.

00:39:08.000 Like, don't rape me.

00:39:09.000 I have fins.

00:39:10.000 I don't even have hands.

00:39:12.000 Oh, fuck.

00:39:12.000 That's hilarious.

00:39:14.000 But Starbucks, I think, stopped being cool when they changed the chick.

00:39:17.000 Like, remember, way back in the day, she had like, you could see her boobs and everything. 0.99

00:39:20.000 Oh, that's right.

00:39:21.000 Those cowards.

00:39:22.000 And they changed it so she's like now some androgynous. 1.00

00:39:25.000 What's wrong with boobs? 1.00

00:39:27.000 Really?

00:39:27.000 Come on.

00:39:29.000 Relax.

00:39:30.000 I know.

00:39:30.000 Everybody relax.

00:39:31.000 It's kind of nuts.

00:39:32.000 The race together, though, I mean, did you race to get her, we should just say.

00:39:36.000 We should just call it that.

00:39:37.000 So this race to get her idea was they would put a hashtag on the cup and what would spark up a conversation that would lead the fucking line. 1.00

00:39:44.000 The lines are long enough for Starbucks.

00:39:46.000 Those slow poke-ass motherfuckers need to drink their own coffee because they're always real slow. 1.00

00:39:50.000 Well, imagine if you're like, imagine if you're like actually a barista, right?

00:39:54.000 So you're like there, you're probably a barista.

00:39:56.000 Like nobody like sets out and like, yeah, I'm going to be a Starbucks barista.

00:39:59.000 Like this is not like something you set out like wanting to do with your life.

00:40:02.000 I mean, I'm sure it's a perfectly good job, but like nobody's, nobody dreams about this when they're a little kid.

00:40:07.000 And so you're working there, you know, you're having to deal with all these like, you know, bitchy, caffeinated people, right?

00:40:13.000 And like you're supposed to just like, you know, take some time out to go and discuss race with some customer, some like stranger.

00:40:19.000 I mean, it's kind of like, it's kind of like a very anti-employee mindset, right?

00:40:24.000 Like, and they're timing them.

00:40:25.000 They time them on their drink orders.

00:40:27.000 So it's like kind of a really?

00:40:29.000 Like, how so?

00:40:29.000 Do they tape it?

00:40:31.000 No, what they'll do is they'll time people on like how long does it take you to do this coffee like when they're doing the training, you know, the training stuff.

00:40:37.000 And they want you to basically, you know, do it faster.

00:40:40.000 But apparently your experience is that it hasn't sort of worked out.

00:40:43.000 Well, they're not that bad.

00:40:44.000 I'm fucking around, joking around.

00:40:45.000 But, you know, I have been to Starbucks where they're slow as shit.

00:40:49.000 There's no double cappuccino in that guy's diet.

00:40:51.000 You need to fucking kick it up, a little son.

00:40:52.000 I got to get out of here.

00:40:54.000 I wish you could pay to get faster in line like you can at TSA.

00:40:58.000 You know how you get like this.

00:40:59.000 You know, like I know that's like a terribly privileged thing to say.

00:41:02.000 But sometimes you're like, you know, trying to get to work or whatever or trying to get to somewhere.

00:41:06.000 And you're like, fuck it, I need my coffee and I need to just get out of here.

00:41:06.000 Right.

00:41:09.000 You know what I mean?

00:41:10.000 And there should be some way you can be like, nope.

00:41:12.000 Like, I don't know what you have to pay a year to get like the expedited service or something.

00:41:18.000 Yeah, I don't know either.

00:41:19.000 I've gotten that accidentally before, but I never, I never, I always say I'm going to sign up for it, but I never sign up for it.

00:41:24.000 Ari tried to sign up for it and they denied him.

00:41:27.000 Really?

00:41:28.000 Yeah, he's an asshole to TSA.

00:41:30.000 He's always an asshole to them.

00:41:33.000 He got screened once.

00:41:34.000 This guy, he farted in front of this guy and go, go ahead, you got to smell my fart now. 0.98

00:41:38.000 And he like farted like really loud.

00:41:40.000 Because his idea is that this is not protecting anybody.

00:41:44.000 This is absolutely a violation of our rights.

00:41:47.000 And if you don't step in and protest it, it'll escalate.

00:41:50.000 My buddy Neil, he's a TSA agent.

00:41:52.000 He couldn't get a job anywhere else.

00:41:54.000 And he hates it.

00:41:55.000 It's like the most soulless job ever.

00:41:58.000 And he was saying like, God bless you to people right before they're getting on their flights.

00:42:01.000 And the TSA people are like, no, you can't say that anymore to people.

00:42:04.000 And he's like, well, you made me swear an oath to like, you know, under God to like, you know, like, why can't I just, he's not even like a super Christian guy.

00:42:11.000 He's just like, you know, God bless you.

00:42:12.000 Like, have a nice day.

00:42:13.000 It's kind of his way of doing it.

00:42:14.000 Just trying to be nice.

00:42:15.000 Yeah, just trying to be nice.

00:42:16.000 And they're like, they're dick.

00:42:18.000 Yeah, see, the Nation of Islam people in the back. 1.00

00:42:20.000 It's funny.

00:42:21.000 Where are the Nation of Islam people?

00:42:22.000 They're back.

00:42:23.000 Like the dude behind the chick is there.

00:42:26.000 And then there's some other folks in front of me, too.

00:42:28.000 That's so funny.

00:42:29.000 Yeah.

00:42:30.000 So my.

00:42:32.000 And it was all black people working behind the counter and everything.

00:42:35.000 Did you ask anybody?

00:42:35.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:42:36.000 Did you interview anybody?

00:42:37.000 How they feel?

00:42:38.000 I was like, well, what's going on with this?

00:42:39.000 And they're like, we don't know.

00:42:41.000 Like, they just put these things here.

00:42:42.000 They're just trying to get paid.

00:42:44.000 Why the fuck do they have to deal with this stupid shit?

00:42:46.000 Could you imagine if like you're supposed to be some social justice engineer while administering cappuccinos?

00:42:53.000 It's so goofy.

00:42:54.000 It's such a weird thing to ask your employees to do.

00:42:56.000 Terrible idea.

00:42:58.000 Like nobody's doing this at Home Depot.

00:42:59.000 No, no, no.

00:43:00.000 What kind of education in the subtle nuances of race relations are you giving these people before you have them communicate publicly on behalf of your company while an employee?

00:43:10.000 Like I couldn't think of a more poorly thought-out idea executed by a giant corporation.

00:43:16.000 I totally agree with you.

00:43:17.000 And then the fact that it was designed all by white people is the weirdest part of it. 0.99

00:43:22.000 Does that guy have a black girlfriend, the older dude, that was in the race to get her?

00:43:27.000 I know.

00:43:28.000 It's a good question.

00:43:29.000 He might have a hot black girlfriend and she's trying to... 1.00

00:43:36.000 Is that what he does?

00:43:37.000 Yeah, that's what he does.

00:43:38.000 You think he feels like he can criticize black people?

00:43:40.000 He said, I've had black hair on my pillow.

00:43:40.000 No, he said this.

00:43:43.000 Oh, God.

00:43:44.000 He's fucking say it that way.

00:43:45.000 He said stuff like that.

00:43:47.000 Oh, that's so gross.

00:43:49.000 It's crazy.

00:43:50.000 I've had black hair on my pillow.

00:43:52.000 Oh, you gross. 1.00

00:43:52.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:43:56.000 It's such a weird thing to do.

00:43:58.000 It's the weirdest fucking statement.

00:44:00.000 I've had black hair on my pillow.

00:44:03.000 What?

00:44:03.000 Yeah, I think he said it on some like marriage counseling thing, too.

00:44:06.000 You know how they have guest judges or whatever?

00:44:08.000 I remember watching that.

00:44:09.000 I was like, whoa.

00:44:10.000 Yeah, that dude's crazy.

00:44:12.000 I just think that if you just, I think he's probably just trying to be like a, you know, because he's a joke writer and he's like a one-word, one-line, you know, impact sort of a guy.

00:44:27.000 Like, that's a kind of snake.

00:44:27.000 Yeah, sure.

00:44:28.000 I've had black hair on my pillow.

00:44:30.000 And you could say things like, that's like something that you could see on his show.

00:44:34.000 Like, that would be a line that, like, it's concise, it's quick, it has a period at the end of it, and boom, it has an impact.

00:44:40.000 Sure.

00:44:41.000 Yeah, I mean, something you could see on his show, but it didn't quite work.

00:44:44.000 Yeah, you can't fault him too much for it because of the way he communicates, like for a living, but as a person.

00:44:52.000 Like, if you were hanging out with him.

00:44:53.000 Well, you know, in fairness, like, I get some shit on Twitter because like, so I kept getting all this stuff, like, you're anti-immigrant, you're all this stuff, because I was like tweeting out stuff like, hey, we should be kind of careful about this amnesty stuff.

00:45:02.000 And I was like, yeah, I hate immigrants so much I married one. 1.00

00:45:05.000 And then all these people were like, all these people were like, you're using your Asian wife, you know, to like protect you or whatever.

00:45:11.000 And then I just hashtagged it, my Asian wife, you know, and I was like, my Asian wife, yeah, like I was just like making fun of it.

00:45:16.000 And then people thought I, like, the social justice warriors thought I was serious.

00:45:19.000 So like all of like the Asian social justice warriors started being like, you know, my Asian wife is like a cultural like appropriation, you know, whatever nonsense they were spewing. 0.99

00:45:28.000 And I remember just sitting back, like, yeah, as my, as my wife and I were like having, like, I think we were having like omelets or something in the morning, like just sitting on, you know, like, and when you, you know, when you wake up on a Sunday and you're still in your pajamas or whatever, it's like, holy shit, honey, I think I accidentally started a movement.

00:45:45.000 That is a very funny line, though.

00:45:47.000 You said, I hate immigrants so much, I married one. 1.00

00:45:50.000 That's very funny.

00:45:51.000 I mean, it's kind of funny.

00:45:53.000 The amnesty thing would be that people that have been in this country for a certain amount of time be allowed to be United States citizens?

00:45:59.000 Yeah, I mean, here's basically the gig, right?

00:46:02.000 So, like, people like my wife came to this country from Indonesia.

00:46:05.000 Can't really swim from there.

00:46:06.000 It's kind of a long way.

00:46:08.000 And, like, they waited in line.

00:46:09.000 They, like, followed all the rules and all this stuff.

00:46:11.000 And then we've got all these people who come into this country illegally from like, you know, Mexico south of the border just because it's easier to get here.

00:46:17.000 And there are a lot of folks who want to make them citizens.

00:46:19.000 The Democrats want to do it because they get, you know, lots of voters.

00:46:22.000 The Republicans want to do it because they get cheap labor, you know, and basically drive down wages.

00:46:27.000 Some Republicans want to do it.

00:46:28.000 And I'm just like, you know, it's probably not a good idea to like, you know, give away citizenship like this because we have a lot of people who desperately want to get in here.

00:46:36.000 And it's kind of like, it's kind of racist in a way.

00:46:38.000 It's kind of like pro-Mexican in a way if you think about it, just like logically.

00:46:41.000 Because, you know, there are people from Africa, from Europe, whatever who want to be in.

00:46:44.000 Give a much harder time.

00:46:46.000 And it's just like, it's a much kind of unfair process.

00:46:46.000 Yeah.

00:46:49.000 You know, I have a very, I would say, unrealistic or utopian view of this whole thing.

00:46:54.000 I feel like, first of all, I'm not a big fan of nationalism.

00:46:59.000 I'm not a big fan of borders, but I'm also not a big fan of fucking it up where people have figured out how to get it right.

00:47:06.000 And not necessarily that the United States has got it right, but I think the real solution is not to make it easier for people to immigrate.

00:47:15.000 The real solution is to make it easier for Mexicans to live in Mexico. 0.63

00:47:19.000 Oh, totally agree.

00:47:20.000 Like Mexico. 0.65

00:47:21.000 Mexico is amazing.

00:47:23.000 You could go there on vacation.

00:47:24.000 It's fucking beautiful.

00:47:26.000 It should be like, but there are all these anti-white people laws there.

00:47:29.000 There are all these anti-gringo laws.

00:47:30.000 Like you can't own beachfront property if you're a white guy there.

00:47:33.000 You have to go.

00:47:33.000 You can't?

00:47:33.000 You can't.

00:47:34.000 Doesn't Jesse Ventura have some crazy beachfront property?

00:47:36.000 He probably has some like Alibaba dude, you know, who like, no, seriously though, like, you know, they have like some Mexican guy who's like the front man for him that runs his thing.

00:47:44.000 But like there are all these anti-gringo rules down there.

00:47:46.000 Really?

00:47:47.000 And it's kind of like my attitude is like everything we allow Mexicans to do in the States, we should be allowed to do in their country, right? 0.99

00:47:52.000 I should be able to get a driver's license in Mexico.

00:47:54.000 You know, you should be able to do all this stuff.

00:47:56.000 And why not?

00:47:57.000 Like, I think the real tragedy about the Mexico, first of all, like the drug war is like a stupid policy.

00:48:02.000 We got to get rid of it because it's like clearly fucking up Mexico. 1.00

00:48:06.000 But we got to just like make Mexico like a good place to live because maybe that way they won't all move here. 1.00

00:48:12.000 Yeah, that's true.

00:48:12.000 And who can blame them?

00:48:13.000 Like if you were if you live down there like and you're like in cartel land and you go to the US and you get paid like 15, you know, 15 times more money than you would otherwise.

00:48:21.000 I mean, why the real question I have is like, given how shitty things are in Mexico, why are so many of them still there? 1.00

00:48:27.000 You know, like you have like a great country.

00:48:29.000 Well, there's a fucking wall, first of all.

00:48:31.000 Well, sort of, but like people are breaking in all the time.

00:48:34.000 Yeah, but it's not easy, especially if you have children, you have a baby with you.

00:48:37.000 Sure, sure, trust me.

00:48:38.000 I have a friend who came over here illegally, and she came over here with her baby, man. 0.95

00:48:44.000 She had a fucking two-year-old baby, and she made it to the United States. 1.00

00:48:47.000 How'd she do it?

00:48:49.000 They got in a van or some crazy shit, you know?

00:48:51.000 I mean, it was all decades ago, but it's not.

00:48:53.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:48:54.000 Like back in the day, I think it was a lot easier.

00:48:55.000 It's all terrifying shit, man.

00:48:57.000 If you really stop and think about the idea of going in a van illegally across a border that's got a fence and you have a baby with you and you're just hoping for a better life.

00:49:07.000 But you know, I've been to, so my uncle lives in Guatemala, of all places, believe it or not, white guy living in Guatemala.

00:49:12.000 But is he just banging young Guatemalan chicks?

00:49:15.000 We don't talk about technology.

00:49:15.000 I don't really know.

00:49:16.000 Talk about it, man.

00:49:17.000 I would want to know.

00:49:18.000 I know he likes to drink down there because it's real cheap.

00:49:20.000 That's what I'm talking about.

00:49:21.000 Go down there with a fucking fat bottle at tequila and ask him some questions.

00:49:25.000 I mean, you could get beer there, like 16 cents.

00:49:27.000 Like, I mean, it's just, it's out of control.

00:49:29.000 But I've been to the Guatemala-Mexico border, and it's like, you know, there's like machine gun turrets.

00:49:34.000 And like, so like, you know, they're always criticizing our border buildup.

00:49:37.000 And yet if you go to their border with their southern neighbor, because they don't want the Guatemalans breaking into their country. 0.99

00:49:43.000 That's hilarious.

00:49:44.000 So it's like, you know, they're all criticizing the U.S. for being racist and everything.

00:49:48.000 And yet they're, you know.

00:49:50.000 Well, that's one of the things about if you talk to Latinos, like they'll always joke around about the racism inside Latino culture. 1.00

00:49:57.000 Yeah, white dudes like don't have any idea about this.

00:50:00.000 Mexicans have always had a problem with Puerto Ricans.

00:50:02.000 And the way that's been established is in boxing.

00:50:05.000 In the boxing world, the Mexicans have always said Puerto Ricans are lazy and like there's Mexican fighters versus Puerto Rican fighters.

00:50:11.000 There's been a long-term rivalry.

00:50:13.000 And then there's the Cubans and the Cubans have a problem with the Puerto Ricans.

00:50:17.000 And then there's the Guatemalans and everybody mining.

00:50:19.000 There's Hondurans who get no respect and it goes like lower and lower. 1.00

00:50:23.000 The further south you go, the more they fuck with them.

00:50:25.000 No, totally right.

00:50:26.000 I mean, and you look at like here with the Salvadorans and the Salvadoran gangs versus the Mexican ones.

00:50:31.000 And it's like, you know, to the social justice warriors, they're all Hispanic or Latino.

00:50:37.000 But then you actually like, these are like legit countries that have legit histories.

00:50:41.000 And, you know, the real problem with even the term social justice warrior is that they're aggressive.

00:50:49.000 Like the thing about social justice is like, what do you really want?

00:50:55.000 You want peace.

00:50:57.000 Guess what the worst way to get peace is?

00:50:58.000 Being an asshole.

00:50:59.000 Oh, totally.

00:51:00.000 Being an asshole will almost...

00:51:04.000 In a lot of ways, because they're about doxing people and aggressively pursuing actions against them, trying to get people fired because they don't share their ideology.

00:51:14.000 The weirdest thing.

00:51:15.000 I totally agree.

00:51:16.000 Like the weirdest thing to me, and I think people have started becoming more, like I've certainly become more aggressive just dealing with their shit.

00:51:22.000 You know what I mean?

00:51:23.000 I've become less aggressive, believe it or not, about them.

00:51:26.000 Like I don't want to fight with that kind of shit at all because I think it just creates a dust cloud of confusion.

00:51:33.000 It's counterproductive.

00:51:34.000 It's totally counterproductive.

00:51:36.000 And I share their beliefs on a lot of things.

00:51:38.000 I just don't, I don't share their methodology.

00:51:42.000 I don't share the aggressive tactics.

00:51:45.000 And I just think that what they're doing is insanely short-sighted.

00:51:48.000 They think that they're Malcolm X or something.

00:51:50.000 They think that they're trying to fight the system by screaming and yelling, fuck capitalism.

00:51:56.000 It's kind of like the people who were born after the 60s.

00:51:59.000 They were born After the party.

00:52:01.000 You know what I mean?

00:52:02.000 And you could tell they're kind of pissed about it.

00:52:05.000 My friend Andy Sarabian and I were talking about this.

00:52:08.000 And we were talking a lot about how basically they target you.

00:52:13.000 So there are two gay guys who had Ted Cruz over just to chat with him.

00:52:16.000 Because he's running for president, whatever.

00:52:19.000 And these guys were targeted by all these gay social justice warrior types being like you're mainstreaming his anti-gay views.

00:52:28.000 And how are we supposed to persuade people of our views if we can't even talk to them?

00:52:32.000 You know what I mean?

00:52:33.000 Like, how is that supposed to work?

00:52:34.000 Yeah.

00:52:35.000 I'm on a bunch of block lists.

00:52:37.000 I'm on block lists.

00:52:38.000 Social justice warrior block lists.

00:52:40.000 I don't know what I've done.

00:52:41.000 But they're all trying to figure out what I did.

00:52:43.000 They're all watching your stuff, though.

00:52:44.000 This is the weirdest thing.

00:52:45.000 Like, they block you and then they all like freak out if you say something like incendiary.

00:52:49.000 But I don't say much incendiary stuff.

00:52:51.000 I'm primarily supportive of almost all the things that they're supportive of, which I think is funny.

00:52:56.000 But I mock male feminists the same way I mock like males, like social justice workers. 0.97

00:53:02.000 I know what you're doing.

00:53:04.000 Okay?

00:53:05.000 It's a play for pussy. 1.00

00:53:07.000 Exactly.

00:53:08.000 It's a power grab for social brownie points. 0.79

00:53:11.000 That's what it is.

00:53:12.000 That's primary.

00:53:13.000 I went to this one guy's Twitter page and it said the quote was something like aggressively feminist or fiercely feminist.

00:53:22.000 Like, goddamn it, son, you need to lift weights.

00:53:25.000 You need to fucking eat some meat.

00:53:26.000 You need to do some squats.

00:53:28.000 You need to go run a marathon.

00:53:30.000 You need to do something difficult.

00:53:32.000 It's depressing how beta so many of them are.

00:53:34.000 Yeah, they need to man up.

00:53:35.000 And you don't have to, you know, by the way, you don't have to be alpha.

00:53:38.000 You want to be beta?

00:53:39.000 There's nothing wrong with that.

00:53:40.000 I have friends that are beta.

00:53:41.000 Brian Redband's pretty goddamn beta.

00:53:43.000 You know, he's one of my best friends.

00:53:44.000 I have a lot of friends that are like feminine or like less aggressive.

00:53:49.000 There's nothing wrong with that.

00:53:50.000 Just go do shit.

00:53:51.000 Just go do shit.

00:53:52.000 There's nothing wrong with that.

00:53:54.000 What I'm saying is like this attitude and this aggression that they have towards things masculine.

00:53:59.000 They're sexist.

00:54:00.000 Well, like for me, the line was crossed.

00:54:03.000 Like, all right, so I knew the Rolling Stone thing was a hoax.

00:54:06.000 Like, I was like the first person.

00:54:06.000 Let's explain to people who might not be aware of what this was.

00:54:09.000 So you were one of the first people that did this.

00:54:11.000 I was calling bullshit like and then one of the things that I did was I called up some people at the fraternity.

00:54:18.000 This seemed like an obvious thing to do.

00:54:19.000 And I was like, yeah, was there a party?

00:54:20.000 Let's explain this to you.

00:54:22.000 So there's a story that runs in Rolling Stone magazine.

00:54:25.000 And what happens is that it's basically this story.

00:54:28.000 It's written by this woman, Sabrina Rubin Erdley.

00:54:30.000 And the story is about a gang rape, like a brutal gang rape that occurs at UVA, University of Virginia.

00:54:36.000 And basically, the story has an anecdote in there about this girl, Jackie, who was apparently raped by it was either like five guys or seven guys.

00:54:45.000 And this anecdote was like such a big deal among like the rape activist types that it was actually used by this chick, Emily Renda, who's a UVA, former UVA student.

00:54:53.000 And it was like used before, it was testified before Congress.

00:54:55.000 So it was like, you know, under oath, like brought into the congressional record.

00:54:59.000 And I was just, you know, the, the, the gang rape was so ridiculous to me because it was apparently like over hours.

00:55:05.000 And I was like, what college dude has like the stamina to go for hours?

00:55:08.000 So that was like the first, no, I mean, like, legit though.

00:55:11.000 Like that was like the first tip off to me.

00:55:12.000 And then the other thing too is it was like so graphic, so violent.

00:55:15.000 It was like apparently at a party.

00:55:17.000 So I was like, all right, there's a lot of stuff here that you can just kind of like tease apart.

00:55:20.000 And then what happened was I figured out the girl's name.

00:55:23.000 Like I went through and researched, like, you know, talked to some people at UVA, got like a list of all the kind of campus feminists and kind of just cross-referenced it.

00:55:30.000 Spent a long time kind of finding it.

00:55:32.000 Anyways, I found her name, you know, his name's Jackie Coakley.

00:55:35.000 And I was like, I published the name of her.

00:55:39.000 And I knew that all these like people would freak out on Twitter about it and like freak out in the media.

00:55:43.000 But something like 150 to 200 newspapers said that I outed a rape victim.

00:55:48.000 And like my own mother called me up like complaining about it.

00:55:52.000 And I was like, mom, like, trust me, like, this is not what it appears to be.

00:55:56.000 And by the way, this newspaper still haven't like done retractions or anything.

00:55:58.000 And these are like U.S. News and World Report.

00:56:00.000 I mean, all these things.

00:56:01.000 And they all got me thrown off Twitter for like outing this rape victim.

00:56:05.000 And she wasn't a victim.

00:56:06.000 You know, it was like the weirdest posts.

00:56:09.000 But you didn't totally know, though.

00:56:10.000 No, I did.

00:56:10.000 I did.

00:56:11.000 How did you know that she wasn't a victim?

00:56:12.000 Because I called up enough people and I knew enough of the details that the whole story was like just falling apart.

00:56:17.000 Like there was no party that night.

00:56:19.000 There was, I mean, she had a history of making up other stuff in the past.

00:56:22.000 Like I talked to somebody who was kind of close with her.

00:56:26.000 I looked into like the three people who are quoted in the article who are kind of like anonymously quoted.

00:56:30.000 And then I started looking into more and more on Sabrina Rubin Eardley, discovering that she'd gotten in trouble for like faking stuff in the past. 0.99

00:56:37.000 And I was like, all right, this is not legit.

00:56:39.000 Like this is fake.

00:56:40.000 What kind of stuff had she faked?

00:56:42.000 She, I mean, I put up some videos on my site at Got News, but basically her very first story she ever did for Rolling Stone was an interview of some, or a profile of a country singer where she got a lot of facts just basically wrong.

00:56:56.000 And then she started fabricating.

00:56:58.000 And she's actually talked about it on video about how she's gotten these things wrong.

00:57:01.000 And so she like.

00:57:02.000 Wow.

00:57:03.000 She fabricated shit and she still got published in Rolling Stone after this was been correct. 1.00

00:57:07.000 And this was like when she was a college student.

00:57:08.000 So her entire career basically starts as winning the College Journalism Award from Rolling Stone while she was at UPenn working with Glass, Stephen Glass, the guy who was famous fabricator, The New Republic.

00:57:22.000 And she basically, her college, her career, her entire life is at Rolling Stone.

00:57:28.000 And she was talking about things like how she likes to shop around for victims.

00:57:32.000 I mean, these are like verbatim quotes, how she has a good BS detector.

00:57:35.000 I mean, go and watch the videos.

00:57:36.000 I mean, I put them all online on YouTube.

00:57:38.000 And they're kind of wild.

00:57:40.000 It's such a fucking explosive subject.

00:57:43.000 It's so dangerous because real gang rapes, real rapes, excuse me, are horrific.

00:57:49.000 They're terrifying.

00:57:50.000 It's disgusting.

00:57:52.000 It's a dehumanization to be eradicated from society.

00:57:56.000 Many of the women who help me on this stuff are victims of sexual assault because they're so disgusted with this bullshit. 1.00

00:58:01.000 I mean, imagine actually being a rape victim, right?

00:58:04.000 And then having to deal with all these bullshit posers pretending to be rape victims.

00:58:08.000 And imagine how infuriating that is.

00:58:11.000 It's infuriating just hearing about this.

00:58:14.000 That Rolling Stone failed every single checkpoint of journalism.

00:58:20.000 They did no background check on this whatsoever.

00:58:24.000 They did no vetting of the source.

00:58:27.000 Everything they did violates journalism.

00:58:29.000 Did you see the movie Almost Famous and how they had the famous Rolling Stone fact checkers?

00:58:33.000 I kept wondering, when are they gonna show up?

00:58:33.000 Yeah.

00:58:35.000 You know, like, when are they gonna like...

00:58:41.000 I mean, I know Michael Hastings was a great reporter and everything, but people call bullshit on some of his stuff too.

00:58:46.000 And obviously, we can't check now because he's dead, right?

00:58:49.000 But like, it makes you wonder about all the other reports that they do there.

00:58:53.000 Because if they're, if they're so falling down on this one story, and apparently, like, you know, she's gotten other stuff wrong on other, you know, other stories as well, not just the one I mentioned.

00:59:02.000 But, like, I wonder what, you know, if their standards are so lax for her, what the standards are like for the other writers, too.

00:59:08.000 Well, it's always a problem when, because of a salacious story, because of anything that's big and juicy, you can become a star.

00:59:16.000 Glenn Greenwald is a star, and he's a star for a legit reason.

00:59:20.000 I mean, what he did was a legit story.

00:59:22.000 I totally agree.

00:59:23.000 Totally agree.

00:59:24.000 But he's a star now.

00:59:25.000 And so there's a lot of people that may be less scrupulous that are looking at that and they're saying, if I can get some of that juice, if I can find a juicy story that I can cling to, I can also become a star.

00:59:37.000 You know what's weird to me?

00:59:38.000 So I like taboos.

00:59:39.000 Like for me, the whole point of being a journalism, you know, being in journalism is to basically tell stories that no one else will tell.

00:59:45.000 Because first of all, it gives you a monopoly, right?

00:59:47.000 If no one's talking about a topic, then you own that topic.

00:59:50.000 And then second of all, there are a lot of taboos in our society, like race, rape, military-industrial complex, drugs.

00:59:58.000 I mean, you could basically figure them a genetic differences in intelligence.

01:00:02.000 I mean, that's a big one that we're not supposed to talk about.

01:00:05.000 And for me, what's weird about this is that journalism increasingly is used to justify the state, justify power, justify like, you know, basically to push agendas that then become law.

01:00:16.000 And for me, that's kind of like not the point.

01:00:18.000 The point is to give the finger to the man.

01:00:20.000 The point is to basically be against the system.

01:00:23.000 So I'm identified as being on the right, and I have some right-wing views.

01:00:26.000 I have some left-wing views, but no one seems to ask me about those.

01:00:30.000 But I'll do stories going after corrupt Republicans.

01:00:33.000 Like I did a story, voter fraud within a Republican primary in Mississippi that was like ugly.

01:00:38.000 But the thing is, is that people want, what they want is they want you to reflect their tribal views and their political views.

01:00:45.000 And they don't really want the truth.

01:00:47.000 So like they will fucking hate you, even especially when you're right.

01:00:51.000 So like for years I was talking about this guy, Menendez, U.S. Senator, who's going down for corruption.

01:00:57.000 For years I was talking about him.

01:00:58.000 And I had all the other journalists make fun of me.

01:01:00.000 Like, you're just a blogger.

01:01:01.000 You don't know what you're talking about.

01:01:03.000 Even though I won awards that these guys competed for back in the day, I just didn't want to be in corporate journalism anymore because I thought it was too restrictive.

01:01:10.000 And these guys are assholes.

01:01:12.000 Like you have so much of the culture right now.

01:01:14.000 They just go after anyone that's new and different.

01:01:18.000 And it's creating a narrower and narrower and narrower space for people to let their freak flags fly.

01:01:24.000 And I think this is really, really dangerous for our society.

01:01:27.000 And we used to be a society that was like, yo, this guy, you know, he's, you know, he's a crazy black supremacist, but, you know, he makes really good bagels. 0.53

01:01:35.000 And I kind of like going and hanging out with him.

01:01:36.000 You know, like, we used to be a society that was okay with a little freakiness among people.

01:01:41.000 And now it's like you all have to think a certain way.

01:01:43.000 You have to behave in a certain way.

01:01:45.000 And it's like, what could be like, what could be more like anti-liberal?

01:01:48.000 Like, what could be more like wrong than that?

01:01:51.000 That's a very good way of putting it.

01:01:53.000 Yeah.

01:01:53.000 I think that that tribalism thing is a real issue.

01:01:56.000 You know, that you're with us or against us.

01:01:58.000 How about I'm just a fucking person?

01:02:00.000 I don't want to join your team.

01:02:01.000 I don't want to be on anybody's team.

01:02:03.000 How about, can we just be on team human race?

01:02:06.000 Can't we all have our own unique viewpoints?

01:02:08.000 Because we have unique lives.

01:02:11.000 We grew up in different environments.

01:02:12.000 We have different points of view, different genetics, different life experiences.

01:02:16.000 Dude, the thing that makes me the most excited is when I meet somebody who like thinks something totally outlandish that I don't know and I start reading it.

01:02:22.000 I'm like, holy shit, this guy's right.

01:02:24.000 Like that's cool.

01:02:25.000 Like it's exciting to change your mind like when you don't know something.

01:02:28.000 It's exciting.

01:02:29.000 And I always look for the people who are like courageous enough to be like the Galileos of our day. 0.87

01:02:33.000 Like, no, you're wrong about this.

01:02:35.000 And who are like, you know, sticking it out.

01:02:37.000 I think people have a real issue with admitting that they don't know something, and a real issue in admitting that they were incorrect in their assumptions.

01:02:44.000 And some people don't ever They don't ever admit it.

01:02:47.000 They don't ever say, I think I fucked up there.

01:02:50.000 They don't do that.

01:02:51.000 They just, because they feel like somehow or another that makes them less.

01:02:54.000 They make like someone's like, ah, you were wrong.

01:02:57.000 No, I think it makes.

01:02:58.000 You backtracked with your dick-tuck over there, Chuck.

01:03:00.000 Yeah.

01:03:01.000 You dick-tucked on that subject.

01:03:03.000 No, and I've seen this, like, when I say stuff on Twitter, like, oh, I guess I was wrong on that.

01:03:07.000 Like, I guess I was mistaken or whatever.

01:03:08.000 I think it gives you credibility, but all these people are like, freak out and like, you were wrong about this.

01:03:11.000 Like, fuck you.

01:03:12.000 Like, and it's like, dude, like, you're on Twitter right now, like, you know, at your mom's house.

01:03:16.000 Like, you know, you're on Twitter right now, like, at work when you should be working, and you're, like, bitching at me.

01:03:21.000 It's like, what have you done today?

01:03:22.000 Like, what are, yeah, what are you doing?

01:03:23.000 Do you think ultimately, though, that that's a good thing, that this Twitter thing, I might be like too optimistic, but I've been accused of that.

01:03:34.000 But I think that this, the ability to complain about everything, the ability to interact with people instantaneously is ultimately a good thing because awesome.

01:03:43.000 Because people like anybody that start, like you, or not you, but like anybody today, like some kid today can just fucking fire up a blog, some 17-year-old girl, and just say, I am going to be a fucking journalist major.

01:03:59.000 And I'm going to be a journalist.

01:04:02.000 I'm going to make my own website that's dedicated to news that people don't want to talk about.

01:04:06.000 And I'm going to try to uncover things.

01:04:07.000 And you could do that.

01:04:08.000 Yeah, it's fucking awesome.

01:04:09.000 It's like the coolest thing ever.

01:04:11.000 And I mean, like, I was at the Wall Street Journal editorial page.

01:04:13.000 I was in the news corp Fox News Evil Empire thing.

01:04:17.000 I worked for all these different publications because my basic attitude is like, I know shit.

01:04:20.000 Like, I started out my career and I was like, nobody knows anything about journalism.

01:04:23.000 I'm going to write for as many publications as I can.

01:04:25.000 I'm going to go out there and just have all sorts of crazy wild experiences.

01:04:28.000 And then it became clear to me that, holy shit, I could run my own website.

01:04:31.000 I could hire people.

01:04:32.000 I could pay people for information.

01:04:34.000 I could basically do what I want to do.

01:04:36.000 And I could have more impact than if I did the corporate route, where I basically have to pay your dues and get coffee and basically be like a cog in the machine.

01:04:46.000 And yeah, this is revolutionary.

01:04:47.000 The fact that I, with 140 characters, you can basically, I mean, I posted documents that showed that people are lying in real time while they're talking on Fox News.

01:04:56.000 I posted stuff like, I exposed this chick, Elizabeth O'Baghie, who was like the face of going to war in Syria. 1.00

01:05:03.000 She like wrote a Wall Street Journal op-ed column saying that there are all these moderates there.

01:05:08.000 We should arm them in Syria. 1.00

01:05:09.000 I proved that she was being paid by the Syrian rebels and she faked her PhD.

01:05:13.000 And it became like a whole scandal.

01:05:14.000 It led to all this stuff.

01:05:15.000 And I did that with Twitter and fucking around on the internet.

01:05:19.000 And that is so cool and so revolutionary.

01:05:22.000 The scary thing to me though, right, is like the combination of using Twitter and using the mob to flash mob stuff like in Baltimore.

01:05:30.000 That to me is like, the real question is like, is the crowd like on, you know, is the crowd going to do good things?

01:05:35.000 Like, are we going to use crowds to like, you know, solve major social problems?

01:05:39.000 Are we going to use them like for, as terrorist operations that basically spill out into the real world?

01:05:45.000 And I think it's probably both.

01:05:46.000 There's definitely both.

01:05:47.000 But I think that ultimately information and the access to information is what kind of sets everything free.

01:05:54.000 Because you get an accurate, clear understanding of what's going on.

01:06:00.000 There's going to be some deception.

01:06:01.000 There's going to be some confusion initially.

01:06:04.000 But I think we're in this trend as a society, as a race, the human race.

01:06:10.000 We're in this trend of expressing ourselves in a much easier way, in a much more instantaneous way than anybody has ever had the ability to do ever, by far.

01:06:21.000 It's one thing we can pretty much say for a fact.

01:06:24.000 As long as we've known about people and the things that people have written down, no one's been able to communicate the way they're able to today.

01:06:30.000 And if you look at the slow progression of culture from the dark ages to today, well, what has accentuated that progression?

01:06:38.000 What has it been about?

01:06:39.000 It's been about information.

01:06:41.000 It's been about education and understanding.

01:06:42.000 Freeing information, freeing information, expressing yourself and people debating these ideas of expression with now with facts also.

01:06:52.000 Like someone can say, you could say something on a podcast and someone say, well, you know what?

01:06:56.000 Actually, that's not true.

01:06:57.000 Here's a link.

01:06:57.000 And you go to that link and you go, whoa, oh shit, I didn't know that.

01:07:01.000 That's happened on this podcast a hundred times.

01:07:03.000 No, dude, I love that.

01:07:04.000 Like to me, like to me, the most exciting thing is when I get a reader who comes forward and like has information that nobody else has had, right?

01:07:11.000 Who's like a stockbroker.

01:07:12.000 Like I have a lot of like stay-at-home moms who work with me on stuff because like, you know, their kids are sleeping and they're like, fuck it. 0.75

01:07:18.000 Like let's cause a revolution on Twitter.

01:07:19.000 You know, like that is so exciting to me.

01:07:22.000 And like when I learn stuff that like totally upends how I thought about X or Y, it's like, it's cool.

01:07:28.000 You know, like the way I thought about this, there's this essay like I highly recommend called What You Can't Say.

01:07:34.000 It's by this guy Paul Graham.

01:07:35.000 And he talks about like, you know, how like if we think about like fashion, right?

01:07:38.000 Fashion comes in and out.

01:07:40.000 We have moral fashions too.

01:07:41.000 Right.

01:07:42.000 And what he says is like anytime something says, somebody says that's racist, that's sexist, something iss, right?

01:07:47.000 Capitalist, whatever, they're just reflecting the taboo of their time.

01:07:51.000 You know, that's McCarthyist or whatever.

01:07:53.000 And he's like, the most powerful argument against, you know, against something is that it's false.

01:07:58.000 It's bullshit.

01:07:59.000 And if you can figure out like, you can basically check yourself, like, I believe X about something.

01:08:05.000 You can check yourself and you'd be like, is this true or not?

01:08:08.000 And if it's not true, then like, you got to have some soul searching.

01:08:12.000 You got to be honest enough to be like, hey, I might be wrong about this.

01:08:15.000 Or maybe there's just not enough information.

01:08:17.000 Maybe I'm just going to have to like, you know, keep studying on this.

01:08:20.000 And I think a lot of people just want to, they want to join their gang on Twitter or in like real, the real world, like in Baltimore.

01:08:20.000 You know what I mean?

01:08:27.000 And they want to go and like, you know, basically be led by somebody.

01:08:30.000 And to me, that's like such an illiberal thing.

01:08:32.000 It's such a dangerous thing.

01:08:34.000 But I think it's ultimately such a human thing that it's kind of scary.

01:08:36.000 You know, it's kind of probably why it takes off.

01:08:39.000 Well, it's also exciting.

01:08:40.000 Yeah.

01:08:41.000 You know, I mean, if you want to go to Ferguson, and that's one of the things, one of the things that I thought was hilarious was this black guy on Twitter wrote that the thing that scares me more than the cops in Ferguson is all these white dudes that don't live here, that come down here, that are yelling, fuck the police, and that are trying to get like, you know, what we're talking about.

01:09:02.000 It's like going to a rock concert.

01:09:04.000 It's like going to a rock concert.

01:09:05.000 There's a certain sense of like how fun it is to be a part of something crazy.

01:09:10.000 Yeah.

01:09:11.000 But we've all met those dudes too.

01:09:13.000 Those dudes that try so hard.

01:09:16.000 And you know that there's some insincerity that's attached to it.

01:09:19.000 And they know that if they go there and they put that backpack on, they put their fucking sock beanie on and they yell out all the right things and get the right fucking YouTube videos up, it'll make it look like they're socially progressive and they're a part of the solution.

01:09:33.000 No, true.

01:09:34.000 But we have that sort of on our side.

01:09:35.000 Like we've been, you know, you've probably been to sporting events or fights or whatever where you like, you feel yourself kind of overcome by, you know, like how violent it is or how exciting it is or whatever.

01:09:45.000 And like you, you know, it's part of the human nature to like want to belong to something.

01:09:50.000 And I don't blame them for that.

01:09:51.000 I just think they're like stupid.

01:09:53.000 It's just they need to be called out on it.

01:09:55.000 True.

01:09:55.000 And that's what's going on with this.

01:09:57.000 This age of communication that we're in right now.

01:10:01.000 You can expose the hypocrisies.

01:10:04.000 You can expose any...

01:10:11.000 People are wrong.

01:10:12.000 They make mistakes.

01:10:13.000 They're incorrect in their assumptions.

01:10:14.000 It's just a part of being a person.

01:10:16.000 To me, that's like the most fun, though.

01:10:17.000 It's like when you're like, when you think something so profound.

01:10:21.000 To me, to be a writer, to be a journalist, it's like an adventure.

01:10:24.000 It's like a quest.

01:10:26.000 I don't mean to be too nerdy on this, but you go on this adventure where you arrive at something approaching truth and you arrive at not knowing shit that you didn't know before.

01:10:36.000 And some of that stuff can topple governments. 1.00

01:10:38.000 It can cause elections to change.

01:10:40.000 I mean, it can be pretty revolutionary.

01:10:42.000 Now, let me bring you back to this UVA thing.

01:10:45.000 Sure.

01:10:46.000 So you were the first guy calling bullshit on this or one of the first people.

01:10:50.000 I'm sure there was probably a lot of people.

01:10:51.000 I think there's probably like two others, yeah.

01:10:53.000 And then all of a sudden, you know, you get kicked off Twitter.

01:10:56.000 People are super angry at you.

01:10:57.000 Your own mother is saying, what are you doing outing rape victims?

01:11:01.000 And did you question your conviction?

01:11:04.000 Did you question whether or not you were correct about this?

01:11:07.000 See the thing is that I know enough about how the media works that I know that like they need villains, right?

01:11:12.000 Like all the media basically, they're heroes and villains, just like total morality play.

01:11:16.000 Frat boys are the ultimate villains. 1.00

01:11:18.000 Yeah, so like frat boys, the military, I mean, depending on what kind of story you're writing, the military is either the hero or the villain, right?

01:11:24.000 Depending, right?

01:11:25.000 So I think human nature is like far more complicated.

01:11:28.000 I think we're both like hero and villain.

01:11:29.000 Like this is part of like what makes us, this is what makes us cool as a species, you know?

01:11:33.000 Yeah.

01:11:34.000 so like I knew, I knew that the whole thing was bullshit.

01:11:37.000 I offered like 300 bucks to somebody else because I wanted to go and hire other researchers.

01:11:41.000 And I look for people who like flout taboos.

01:11:43.000 Like to me, that one of the things that makes me interested in people is like when they're like, hey, everyone believes this, I believe this, and I'm right.

01:11:52.000 And they're so confident of it.

01:11:53.000 So anyways, so I knew that this was all bullshit.

01:11:55.000 And I knew it was bullshit because of some reporting I'd done, some other research I'd done.

01:11:58.000 It took me a while to like find the name.

01:12:00.000 It took me a while to find out more stuff.

01:12:01.000 But I just started poking around more.

01:12:03.000 And the thing is, if you've seen enough of these fake ray pokes or enough of these fake like, you know, race hate crimes or whatever, you develop this like weird, I don't know how to describe it.

01:12:11.000 It's like I used to play chess all the time.

01:12:14.000 And you see, in chess, you see all these games enough times that you're not even thinking.

01:12:18.000 You're just moving the pieces because you've seen this orientation before.

01:12:21.000 It's like the same thing with these fake crimes.

01:12:24.000 So like I had enough information.

01:12:25.000 I had enough, you know, stuff to go on.

01:12:27.000 My intuition was like, you know, my spidey sense was going crazy.

01:12:30.000 And it became clear to me that like they need a villain in this story.

01:12:34.000 So they're going to look for me.

01:12:36.000 But what it's going to do is it's going to amplify the reach of my website, you know, got news.

01:12:40.000 And it's going to make it so that they're going to make me the story, right?

01:12:43.000 They have to.

01:12:44.000 It's just the way the media works.

01:12:46.000 And so I realized it's like a great promotion tool.

01:12:48.000 Like if you have no, you know, things.

01:12:50.000 And then what it will also do is it will also bring people to me.

01:12:53.000 So like there's a case right now of this kid, Tyler Coast in Arizona, who's like wrongly accused of rape.

01:12:59.000 And it's like a whole scandal.

01:13:00.000 It's going to break up.

01:13:01.000 It's going to blow up like probably over the summer.

01:13:03.000 And what's going to happen is all of these weird people are going to come out of the woodwork and they're going to start helping me on other projects.

01:13:09.000 And that's exactly what happened.

01:13:11.000 Now.

01:13:12.000 How do you know that this kid is not guilty of rape?

01:13:14.000 Because there are all these text messages and messages showing that the girls conspired to set him up.

01:13:19.000 And it's like pretty sick stuff.

01:13:21.000 What was the one recently where a girl sent a guy a message asking him to fuck her in the ass? 1.00

01:13:26.000 This is the mattress girl at Columbia. 0.99

01:13:26.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

01:13:30.000 Yeah.

01:13:30.000 What a great kid she is.

01:13:33.000 She sent text messages.

01:13:35.000 This guy saved asking him.

01:13:36.000 Facebook messages.

01:13:37.000 Facebook messages.

01:13:38.000 So I guess he can't fake them, but you could.

01:13:41.000 Someone else could have said them.

01:13:43.000 Someone else could have gotten on our computer and typed them, right?

01:13:47.000 No, but I mean, like, there were so many of these messages, like, in the deposition or the filing that they did to sue Columbia that it's like, it's kind of like outrageous.

01:13:56.000 You know, like, some of the stuff that was described, like the sex acts, like stuff that it's pretty nasty, disturbed stuff.

01:14:02.000 Like, I'm not, like, judging people's sex lives or whatever, but like, it's kind of not the kind of thing that you would expect from somebody who was like, yo, raped, you know, that wants to go and fuck her, rapist.

01:14:12.000 We'll hear this later.

01:14:13.000 The problem with the word rape, okay?

01:14:16.000 Rape itself, the idea, when you say the word rape, we think of it as holding someone down or forcing someone to have sex with you.

01:14:25.000 We think of it as a violent act.

01:14:27.000 But there's a lot of progressives, I don't want to call them progressives, let's just call them social justice warriors, that are making these really ridiculous connections between other acts and calling them rape.

01:14:38.000 One of them is having sex while drunk, where two people, consenting people who are both the same fucking age, have sex while they're drinking, and the man is a rapist.

01:14:49.000 Yeah, in California.

01:14:50.000 Occidental University.

01:14:51.000 I had Thaddeus Russell on the podcast.

01:14:53.000 I love that professor.

01:14:54.000 I love that guy, too.

01:14:56.000 And, you know, he was a part of this whole thing while it was going down.

01:14:58.000 He's like, this is insane.

01:14:59.000 Well, that ruined a kid's life, ruined the kid's academic career.

01:15:02.000 Kid gets kicked out of school.

01:15:03.000 Girl's still in school.

01:15:05.000 And they just had sex.

01:15:06.000 That's it.

01:15:07.000 Dude, I was at college.

01:15:08.000 I was at Claremont McKenna out here in eastern LA County.

01:15:11.000 And I wrote something on my website.

01:15:13.000 And the school brought me up before as a sexual harasser.

01:15:17.000 Even though I didn't even name my ex-girlfriend by name, I just said my ex-girlfriend's a liar, like on my website, on my blog.

01:15:22.000 And they brought me up before the sexual harassment code at Claremont McKenna.

01:15:26.000 How is that sexual harassment if you accuse a person of being a liar?

01:15:29.000 I didn't even use her name.

01:15:30.000 And so what they did is what I did was I just said, you know, I wrote like, my cheating, lying ex-girlfriend is as reliable a source as she's a girlfriend, which is to say not very.

01:15:30.000 No.

01:15:39.000 And then they brought me up, you know, was brought into her office.

01:15:43.000 Yeah.

01:15:43.000 And so what they did was they wanted to basically investigate my sex life.

01:15:46.000 And so what I did was I had every guy she cheated on me with, and I had them go and like testify on my behalf.

01:15:52.000 So like, wow.

01:15:53.000 It worked out.

01:15:54.000 And, you know, like my girlfriend at the time, who's now my wife, was like, this is crazy.

01:15:58.000 Like, this is therapy and stuff.

01:16:00.000 That's bananas, though.

01:16:01.000 But this is happening all the time.

01:16:03.000 Like, my case is like by no means, I mean, I wrote about it on my website and everything.

01:16:06.000 It's by no means unique.

01:16:07.000 Like, I can't even tell you how many, since I did the Jackie Coakley UVA thing, I've gotten like hundreds and hundreds of emails from people all around the country.

01:16:14.000 That have similar situations.

01:16:15.000 That have similar, like, crazy.

01:16:17.000 I could basically dedicate, I actually bought fake rape registry.com because I figure like it might come in handy later on.

01:16:26.000 The problem is this is a sexist thing.

01:16:29.000 That the men are always the perpetrators.

01:16:32.000 The men are always guilty.

01:16:34.000 The men are always the ones that need to be removed, locked up.

01:16:37.000 They're the rapists. 0.82

01:16:39.000 And when you start saying that, here was another one in New Jersey.

01:16:41.000 They're trying to pass a law saying that if a man and a woman have sex and it turns out that the man deceived the woman into having sex.

01:16:50.000 That's what they call it.

01:16:51.000 Yeah.

01:16:51.000 I mean, they're trying to make that rape.

01:16:54.000 The woman's dating sex. 1.00

01:16:56.000 Well, how about men rape themselves then?

01:16:58.000 Because we lie to ourselves.

01:16:59.000 Men will lie themselves about wanting to be monogamous with a girl just so they can get her in bed. 0.78

01:17:05.000 We'll lie to ourselves.

01:17:06.000 What about, yeah, I'm going to settle down with her.

01:17:07.000 And then if you decide, you know what, man, fuck this.

01:17:10.000 She's too crazy. 1.00

01:17:10.000 It's too much work. 1.00

01:17:11.000 And then you're a rapist.

01:17:13.000 He lied.

01:17:13.000 He knew he didn't want to be monogamous.

01:17:16.000 What about fat chicks that look for guys who are drunk and passed out? 1.00

01:17:19.000 Are they rapists, right?

01:17:20.000 Like, I mean, what is that?

01:17:22.000 They certainly are.

01:17:23.000 They certainly are.

01:17:24.000 I mean, there's a lot of, like, you can start playing this game.

01:17:27.000 Like, if you, like, in California right now, we have affirmative consent.

01:17:31.000 Like, that's the law, right?

01:17:32.000 So if my wife. 0.99

01:17:33.000 Yeah.

01:17:33.000 Yes means yes.

01:17:34.000 If my wife and I get drunk, right, and then go in like, you know, like a bottle of wine or whatever, and I don't get, I've technically raped my wife.

01:17:40.000 Like, that's how, like, wild, the wild this society is.

01:17:44.000 You guys, even if you have sex with her and she's willing, she's not able to consent.

01:17:48.000 But you know the whole thing, the Michael Shermer case?

01:17:51.000 Do you know that whole case he was accused of rape because him and a girl had had sex when they were drunk and she did the language that she used, he got me drunk to a point where I couldn't consent.

01:18:01.000 And then, you know, there was a guy wrote a blog about it, this asshole social justice warrior guy that is a professor.

01:18:09.000 And they, you know, the guy's name got pushed out as a rapist.

01:18:13.000 I mean, they were essentially saying consenting adults having sex is rape because both of them had been drinking, but the man was the rapist because men are evil, because it's sexism.

01:18:23.000 It's pure clear to the pressure.

01:18:25.000 Well, that's why this guy, the guy who's suing in the mattress girl case, Paul Nunsberg or whatever.

01:18:29.000 And by the way, this guy's like, he's like a social justice warrior himself.

01:18:32.000 Like, his mother is like, you know, some leading feminist.

01:18:34.000 And he's the one getting sued.

01:18:38.000 And so he's like, you read the messages and he's like the most passive aggressive.

01:18:42.000 I mean, he's like the liberal, you know, I don't mean passive guy.

01:18:45.000 Passive aggressive.

01:18:46.000 And so, you know, he's like, oh, I'm so sorry that I don't like you kind of stuff.

01:18:46.000 Yeah.

01:18:50.000 And she's trying to torture him using the system.

01:18:53.000 And so what he did was he sued Columbia and was like, look, you know, Title IX, you know, you can't discriminate against men.

01:19:00.000 You're creating an unsafe environment for me here.

01:19:02.000 You're saying you're allowing my rapist, you know, this woman who accuses me of being a rapist to wander around, you know, defaming me, even though you found me guilty in your bullshit kangaroo.

01:19:10.000 I mean, you found me not guilty in your bullshit kangaroo court.

01:19:13.000 So they found him like not guilty of rape, like under their administrative policies, which by the way, those things are like, they almost always convict you, right?

01:19:19.000 So he's found like not guilty and he sues them.

01:19:22.000 And I hope he wins.

01:19:23.000 Like he's going after Bollinger, the guy who's the president there.

01:19:26.000 He's going after the and this chick, you know, she's running around with her mattress saying that her rapist was on campus and he's dangerous. 1.00

01:19:33.000 And this guy's like the mattress to her back, right?

01:19:36.000 Yeah, she was like tearing it and stuff. 1.00

01:19:37.000 Yeah, she was trying to like, it was her like a performance art piece.

01:19:39.000 Dude, what a crazy bitch. 1.00

01:19:42.000 I really do think, I really do think, though, by the way, like, I think like legitimately, I think like Ruch and some of those like men's rights people, like I'm not a men's rights, you know, guy.

01:19:51.000 Like I, you know, I'm a people's rights guy, you know?

01:19:54.000 But like, I think they're right.

01:19:55.000 Like, if you don't go to the police and you go to like college administrator, like yeah, that chick. 0.76

01:20:01.000 Student accused of rape by mattress girl suing Columbia University reveals her damning text, and that's her.

01:20:07.000 Yeah, it's wild.

01:20:09.000 Wow.

01:20:10.000 We're in this like weird state.

01:20:12.000 It's kind of cute, though.

01:20:13.000 Like, go back to that picture again, Jimmy.

01:20:15.000 She's wearing sexy shorts. 0.96

01:20:17.000 She's showing her legs. 0.98

01:20:18.000 She's got heels on.

01:20:19.000 It's hard to tell.

01:20:19.000 Are those heels?

01:20:20.000 I think they're like clogs or something.

01:20:22.000 But she's got all leg. 1.00

01:20:23.000 You know, if a guy was walking around like that with those cut-off shorts, he'd be like, that guy's...

01:20:30.000 Her jeans are cut so low that her pockets are hanging out underneath the jean, which is always adorable.

01:20:38.000 And yeah, she's hot. 1.00

01:20:42.000 It's kind of awkward, isn't it?

01:20:44.000 I hope we didn't mentally run.

01:20:46.000 Those aren't heels at all.

01:20:46.000 They're like Birkenstocks, which is even more appropriate.

01:20:50.000 It's kind of weird, though.

01:20:52.000 Can you imagine being a student and being accused of this, though?

01:20:56.000 It's pretty wild.

01:20:57.000 It's pretty scary stuff.

01:20:58.000 Well, it's terrifying.

01:21:00.000 We live in a terrifying age.

01:21:02.000 And look, kids, when they go away to college, they get drunk and they fuck and they make mistakes and they have sex with people they don't want to have sex with.

01:21:09.000 That's like the point.

01:21:10.000 But here's the number one thing that's fucked up about this idea of people drinking alcohol, having sex, and have that being rape or people being deceptive and calling that rape.

01:21:22.000 You're just talking about sex.

01:21:25.000 You're talking about consensual sex and you filtered consensual sex into these parameters and now you're calling it rape.

01:21:33.000 And people fuck up.

01:21:36.000 People lie.

01:21:38.000 And that's how you find out who to hang out with and who to not hang out with.

01:21:41.000 But the worst case scenario that's happening to these people is they had sex with someone they regret.

01:21:46.000 That's part of being a person.

01:21:47.000 You find me someone who never had sex with someone they regret.

01:21:51.000 And I'll find you a person that's never taken a fucking chance.

01:21:54.000 Never had any fun.

01:21:54.000 Yeah.

01:21:55.000 We have ex-girlfriends and ex-wives for a reason, you know, people out there in the world, right?

01:21:59.000 Like, this is like part of life.

01:22:02.000 Ex-boyfriends or ex-whatevers.

01:22:03.000 Yeah, people fuck up, man.

01:22:04.000 And you make dumb decisions and you're like, oh, my bad.

01:22:07.000 Have you ever talked to a girl ever that said, every guy that I used to date was amazing.

01:22:12.000 They're the best person ever.

01:22:13.000 I'm so happy I fucked them.

01:22:15.000 Every guy I've ever blown was the best dude of all time.

01:22:18.000 No, that's not how it goes.

01:22:20.000 Nearly every conversation with a friend who just broke up with his girlfriend is, man, that bitch is crazy. 1.00

01:22:25.000 And how about this?

01:22:25.000 Every girl that ever broke up with me was right.

01:22:28.000 She was right at the time because I'm a different person than I was when I was 20 years old or 18 years old or 30 years old.

01:22:35.000 You fucking grow.

01:22:36.000 You evolve.

01:22:37.000 You adapt.

01:22:38.000 Things change.

01:22:38.000 So this idea that that's rape, that if someone's deceptive or if someone – Two consenting adults.

01:22:49.000 And then there was a whole feminist blog that I wrote about that. 1.00

01:22:52.000 That if two people are having sex while they're drinking, even if a man is drunk and the woman's sober, the woman raped the man.

01:23:01.000 Which is just adorable.

01:23:03.000 It's adorable.

01:23:04.000 It's adorable.

01:23:05.000 First of all, it's not possible.

01:23:07.000 Because there's not a fucking guy on earth that's going to say that if a woman had sex with him because he was drunk that he got raped.

01:23:13.000 It's like all those high school kids, where the kid is like 16, 17, and he's screwing the 24-year-old teacher or something.

01:23:21.000 Yes.

01:23:22.000 Like, is that really rape? 0.86

01:23:23.000 Like, I mean, I know we're supposed to say it is, but, like, is it really that?

01:23:29.000 His dick get hard?

01:23:30.000 He's all right.

01:23:30.000 Yeah.

01:23:31.000 Emotionally, yeah, he got raped.

01:23:33.000 But guess what?

01:23:34.000 He'll get over it.

01:23:36.000 Zach Alifanakis has a great joke about that, about a young man who died because he had sex with his teacher and his friends high-fived him to death.

01:23:47.000 I remember there was a case recently of that guy who he got two teachers or whatever, and they found him bragging about it.

01:23:53.000 That's how they like caught the two teachers because he was just bragging.

01:23:56.000 It would be kind of hard not to.

01:23:57.000 Like, imagine your 17-year-old self and you got two teachers at a party.

01:24:01.000 Like, it would be hard not to brag about that.

01:24:03.000 Find me a 15-year-old kid who got blown by his teacher who's good at keeping a fucking secret.

01:24:08.000 You're dealing with crazy people.

01:24:10.000 You're dealing with a woman who's so crazy. 1.00

01:24:12.000 She's blowing high school kids. 1.00

01:24:14.000 She's having sex parties and drinking with high school kids and having sex with them. 1.00

01:24:18.000 And by the way, the ones that get caught, how many of them don't get caught?

01:24:21.000 Oh, totally.

01:24:22.000 How many hundreds of them are out there running around blowing high school kids right now? 0.99

01:24:28.000 And how many people are really smart and just shut the fuck up about it when they're young?

01:24:31.000 How many of the boys, yeah.

01:24:32.000 How many of the boys?

01:24:33.000 It's a goddamn secret.

01:24:33.000 We had this case.

01:24:34.000 I went to this prep school in Massachusetts Milton Academy.

01:24:37.000 You probably remember from Milton Mass.

01:24:39.000 Yeah, Milton Mass.

01:24:41.000 So I was a scholarship winner there.

01:24:42.000 And we had this like crazy case where we had this chick who like willingly, 15 years old, gave head to this guy on his 18th birthday and five other guys.

01:24:52.000 I think it was like, oh, or four other guys.

01:24:54.000 And the school just expelled all of them because of the Romeo and Juliet laws.

01:24:58.000 Like if you're 15, if you're under 16, it's like rape automatically.

01:25:02.000 And so they just expelled all five of these guys.

01:25:05.000 Like no trial, no anything.

01:25:06.000 Just expelled them.

01:25:08.000 That was an issue when I was in high school, man.

01:25:11.000 When I was 18 years old, when I turned 18, my girlfriend at the time was 17.

01:25:16.000 And her mother was worried that what we were doing was illegal. 0.65

01:25:22.000 And she brought it up to me that my mom thinks that you could go to jail for having sex. 1.00

01:25:26.000 I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

01:25:27.000 Like, we've been having sex for like seven months or something like that.

01:25:30.000 Like almost a year.

01:25:31.000 It was okay then.

01:25:32.000 And it's not okay today because I turned 18.

01:25:35.000 Like, I was nervous.

01:25:36.000 I was like, I had a, I don't remember who I had a conversation with.

01:25:39.000 Maybe my parents.

01:25:40.000 But I was like, could I go to jail?

01:25:42.000 Like, is this like a bad thing?

01:25:43.000 Isn't that like an inherently terrifying thought?

01:25:45.000 You know what I mean?

01:25:46.000 So, like, there, all right.

01:25:46.000 Like, right.

01:25:47.000 We know this like genetically, right?

01:25:49.000 Like, something like one in 10 people are genetic cuckolds, right?

01:25:52.000 Meaning, like, your dad is not who your mom says it is, right?

01:25:56.000 Is that a cuckold?

01:25:56.000 Because, like.

01:25:57.000 I thought a cuckold is like, you want to watch dudes bang your wife. 1.00

01:26:01.000 I don't know what that.

01:26:02.000 I don't think that's kind of.

01:26:02.000 No, that's a cuckold, right?

01:26:04.000 No, a cuckold is somebody who doesn't want that to happen, who's a dude who has his wife go, you know, shagging on their man.

01:26:10.000 That's a different situation.

01:26:11.000 Maybe, maybe, like, I don't know.

01:26:12.000 I mean, but I know the cuckold that I'm talking about might be another second definition that you're talking about.

01:26:16.000 I don't think I've ever said, by the way, I don't think I've ever said that word.

01:26:19.000 I've only read that.

01:26:20.000 It's like a Shakespearean thing.

01:26:21.000 Yeah.

01:26:21.000 I've only read cuckold.

01:26:23.000 I don't think I've ever said it until this podcast.

01:26:25.000 Yeah.

01:26:25.000 But so anyway, so like one in 10 people, their moms or their dads are not who their mom says it is, right?

01:26:31.000 Because from humans, we know that like women prefer the alpha male sperm, but the beta male to raise the kids because the alpha male will run away, right? 0.99

01:26:39.000 So a lot of women we've seen like in fake rape cases, they'll go and they'll have an affair and they'll say, oh, that guy raped me, right?

01:26:46.000 And we've seen this like happen time and time again.

01:26:48.000 And that kind of stuff, like people lie about stuff.

01:26:51.000 The thing that pisses me off the most about the feminists or like the social justice warriors is to say, what woman would lie about rape? 1.00

01:26:58.000 Like as if it's like some unnatural thing.

01:27:00.000 Like people lie about all kinds of shit all the time for like no apparent reasons.

01:27:03.000 You can't say things like that.

01:27:04.000 What woman? 0.99

01:27:05.000 A crazy person.

01:27:06.000 What woman would lie about Bigfoot? 0.98

01:27:08.000 What woman would lie about UFOs? 1.00

01:27:10.000 What woman would lie about anything? 1.00

01:27:11.000 Sometimes the crazy, sometimes it's a tactical advantage, right?

01:27:14.000 Like there was a case we did at University of Hawaii.

01:27:17.000 There was this chick, McKenna Facto is her name. 1.00

01:27:21.000 And she liked, there were two guys, like one who lived in one room, one who lived in the other, you know, like dorm situation.

01:27:26.000 And she liked the, you know, the hot, you know, football player guy.

01:27:31.000 And he didn't like her anymore.

01:27:32.000 He was like banging some other chick, right?

01:27:34.000 And the guy next door was like, you know, she fucked him to get him jealous and then said that this guy next door, like the nerdy guy next door, raped her.

01:27:44.000 And he was found innocent.

01:27:45.000 He was like clear, but he was like expelled from school at the University of Hawaii.

01:27:48.000 He had to like spend all this money to defend himself and he was found like not guilty.

01:27:52.000 You like, you know, one and everything.

01:27:54.000 But imagine like how, I mean, that's like a perfectly human thing.

01:27:57.000 Like who, who, I mean, who hasn't seen situations where somebody will sleep with somebody else to get them jealous, right?

01:28:03.000 Like this is like how humans behave.

01:28:05.000 Like this is what people love to do things to get reactions.

01:28:09.000 Pro or con.

01:28:10.000 Totally.

01:28:10.000 Pro or con.

01:28:11.000 They love to do wonderful things like bring you flowers to get a reaction or they like to accuse you of things you didn't actually do in order to get a negative reaction.

01:28:20.000 Or fuck your friends.

01:28:22.000 I mean how many girls have done that? 1.00

01:28:23.000 Fuck their boyfriend's friends when they break up. 0.62

01:28:26.000 I mean that's a super common thing.

01:28:28.000 I've had fucking girlfriends of ex-boy, you know, guys who are still good friends, like girlfriends when they break up come after me.

01:28:37.000 I'm like, get the fuck out of here.

01:28:39.000 And I immediately will call them and tell them, dude, your ex-girlfriend tries to fuck. 1.00

01:28:43.000 She's trying to fuck all your friends. 1.00

01:28:44.000 Like I had a situation where I had a friend who, like, I dated the girl beforehand.

01:28:48.000 And I was like, oh, you know, my friend is actually better for you than I am.

01:28:51.000 You know what I mean?

01:28:52.000 Like, so I was just like, all right, these people should date.

01:28:54.000 Well, that's very healthy of you.

01:28:56.000 But I think people, I think that happens a lot more.

01:28:56.000 That's very smart.

01:28:58.000 Like, sometimes you realize, like, this is not right for me, right?

01:29:02.000 It certainly should.

01:29:03.000 I mean, it'd be cool if that's how it worked.

01:29:05.000 But, you know, the only way that does work is if the person is mentally healthy and not lonely.

01:29:10.000 You know, the problem is people get lonely and they get sad and they get super depressed that that person doesn't want to be with them anymore.

01:29:10.000 True.

01:29:17.000 And sometimes that sense of loss, and it's ingrained in our DNA because it's how people stay together, which is how people procreate, which is how the human race expands.

01:29:26.000 Because if it didn't, if you didn't have that sense of loss when someone no longer wants to be with you anymore, then you would have no incentive to improve your personality.

01:29:34.000 You'd have no incentive to get your shit together.

01:29:36.000 Yeah, no incentive to be a good mate, no incentive to nest. 0.97

01:29:38.000 The whole reason why people have that feeling when someone wants to leave, that feeling of rejection is terrible because your body and your DNA is telling you, hey, fuckface, you got to learn how to be a more attractive person.

01:29:51.000 You have to learn how to be more accepted.

01:29:53.000 You have to learn how to figure out a way to be more valuable to mates.

01:29:57.000 And that is one of the problems with social justice warriors.

01:30:00.000 That same instinct to be more valuable and better is what's leading these people to loudly proclaim that they're fiercely feminist, that they'll go after men exclusively, not be objective about the situation, not saying, hey, maybe these two people got drunk and maybe this girl had sex with a guy and kind of regrets it, and then the guy didn't regret it. 0.97

01:30:22.000 And now, let's just accuse this guy of rape.

01:30:25.000 Because that's what they're doing.

01:30:26.000 And stepping forward and proclaiming that this guy's a rapist and writing blog entries about it.

01:30:32.000 All you're doing is trying to set yourself aside as being the moral high ground.

01:30:36.000 But you know, there's a biological reason for this.

01:30:38.000 So like there's this great documentary series from Norway.

01:30:41.000 I know it's like kind of random, but there's this documentary.

01:30:43.000 It's called like Hivernask.

01:30:45.000 It translates to brainwash.

01:30:46.000 I highly recommend it.

01:30:46.000 It's all free online.

01:30:48.000 How do you spell it?

01:30:49.000 It's like H-J-E-R-N-A. 1.00

01:30:52.000 Just Google Brainwash Norwegian documentary.

01:30:54.000 You'll find it.

01:30:55.000 And what he does is he interviews all these people who are scientists and specialists on all these taboo subjects.

01:31:01.000 It's really like, it's like kind of up your alley.

01:31:03.000 I mean, I think you dig it.

01:31:04.000 But basically, there's a section in it where he talks about how men and women behave after they have casual sex.

01:31:09.000 Both groups, both parties want it, right?

01:31:12.000 Because of how we're wired genetically.

01:31:13.000 But women tend to regret it far more often than men do.

01:31:16.000 Well, the social consequences for women. 1.00

01:31:18.000 Right.

01:31:19.000 Not just like the sociological pressures, but I'm talking about like biological things because women, when you have sex with them, they get oxytocin. 1.00

01:31:27.000 They get all the kinds of basically chemicals in their brains that make them attach to you.

01:31:32.000 They have to come to get the oxytocin.

01:31:34.000 I don't know.

01:31:34.000 Maybe.

01:31:35.000 The good oxytocin.

01:31:36.000 Maybe.

01:31:37.000 I don't know.

01:31:38.000 But yeah, this show, I highly recommend it.

01:31:41.000 Brainwashed it just as well.

01:31:42.000 There's like 10 parts of it.

01:31:43.000 Yeah, it's pretty good.

01:31:45.000 So anyways, what's interesting about it is this whole brainwash kind of culture.

01:31:50.000 Yeah, this kind of like brainwashed culture.

01:31:52.000 There's like a biological reason.

01:31:54.000 And if you're a woman and you have sex with a guy and you regret it, and then the campus feminists come in there, the social justice warriors come in there and say, your regret is actually rape. 1.00

01:32:03.000 It's a very biological thing that produces this.

01:32:06.000 And then on the other side of it, too, you've got this other biological problem, which is that in all animal species, right, like rape, I mean, animals don't rape each other.

01:32:15.000 I mean, they do.

01:32:16.000 That's basically like the whole point of the animal kingdom, right?

01:32:19.000 So like you've got cases where males among primates will go and they'll just, they'll rape some desirable female because they're like the lonely animal in the tribe.

01:32:28.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:32:29.000 So it's like, it's like in our society, if we had some loser dude as a last-ditch mating strategy, they'd go and rape.

01:32:37.000 And I think that's like, that explains an awful lot of like the actual violent predatory rape that we see, not the kind of acquaintance rape.

01:32:45.000 Yeah, I'm writing this down.

01:32:46.000 Gender equality, parent circumvention. 1.00

01:32:48.000 You'd love it.

01:32:48.000 They're all 10 of the parts.

01:32:49.000 I think they're like 30 minutes apiece or something.

01:32:52.000 They're somewhat in English, somewhat in Norwegian.

01:32:54.000 He interviews all these people, but they're subtitles.

01:32:56.000 It's pretty good.

01:32:59.000 The idea that someone could go to jail for something like this or get their life ruined for something like this is just so creepy to me.

01:33:07.000 It's so creepy that sexual attraction and then regret could lead to someone being accused of a crime, especially a heinous crime like rape.

01:33:16.000 Especially about how much money you have to spend.

01:33:18.000 So like Ellen Dershowitz, who I actually worked for back in the day, was accused of rape by this like crazy chick, Virginia Roberts. 1.00

01:33:24.000 And he's been found like totally innocent and everything.

01:33:26.000 But he's a lawyer, you know, like one of the best lawyers in the country.

01:33:29.000 He spent all this like attention and money basically defending himself.

01:33:33.000 And that's like a terrible situation because even though he's found innocent, even when people are found innocent, people still kind of wonder, right?

01:33:40.000 Because you can never know what happens with two people.

01:33:42.000 You can never kind of get that back.

01:33:44.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:33:45.000 Like, that's what makes it so hellish.

01:33:47.000 Well, once you're accused of something is as disgusting as rape.

01:33:50.000 I mean, it's very difficult to shake that moniker.

01:33:54.000 I got to tell you, there's a case right now in LA that's kind of like getting some attention.

01:33:58.000 I wrote about it a lot, but there's this actress, Polly Perette, you know, like the NCIS chick. 0.55

01:34:01.000 I don't know if you've seen that show, but basically NCIS, she's like accusing her husband. 0.99

01:34:06.000 It's like this long-drawn out custody or long-drawn out like divorce thing.

01:34:10.000 And she's been using the state and her restraining orders to go and hire people to follow her husband around and basically show up so that he gets thrown in jail. 1.00

01:34:20.000 Yeah, it's like this whole thing.

01:34:21.000 If you Google Coyote Shivers and Polly Perette, you'll see.

01:34:25.000 Hold on.

01:34:25.000 Let me explain.

01:34:26.000 Let me clarify this.

01:34:28.000 So they had a divorce.

01:34:29.000 Okay.

01:34:29.000 So like it was like 10 years ago.

01:34:30.000 He married this like hotter chick. 1.00

01:34:32.000 I think she's like a Brazilian journalist or something.

01:34:35.000 And he's like moved on with his life.

01:34:36.000 He's this musician type.

01:34:38.000 He lives here in LA.

01:34:39.000 And what happened was she created this whole elaborate story as a tactical maneuver in the divorce, right?

01:34:45.000 That he like beat her and like created this whole like elaborate thing.

01:34:48.000 She hired this PI who's like famous for basically lying and getting the evidence to help his clients, right?

01:34:54.000 Nothing wrong with that in a legal sense, but in a moral sense, it's kind of messed up.

01:34:58.000 And his name's Coyote Shivers.

01:34:59.000 I've interviewed him a bunch.

01:35:01.000 I've posted some stuff.

01:35:02.000 And he had 911 calls that basically proved his innocence.

01:35:06.000 And yet what she did was she hired all these people to go and say, to follow him around.

01:35:12.000 And whenever he goes anywhere, she'll then show up because he'll be within, you know, within the vicinity or whatever.

01:35:19.000 And he'll then have, you know, face a chance of violating their restraining order.

01:35:23.000 So she got a bullshit restraining order. 0.93

01:35:25.000 She hired people to basically track this guy around in LA.

01:35:28.000 And she's a star.

01:35:29.000 Like she's on the top show on television.

01:35:30.000 I've written about this at Got News.

01:35:32.000 Other people have written about this too.

01:35:34.000 But it's like one of the greatest restraining order abuses against a guy out there.

01:35:39.000 And this guy's facing like 30.

01:35:41.000 Yeah, I think he's facing like a year in prison or a year in jail for violating a restraining order that was bullshitly obtained.

01:35:50.000 And you could interview this guy.

01:35:51.000 I vetted him.

01:35:52.000 I've had all these people look into him.

01:35:54.000 Everything he said to me is checked out.

01:35:56.000 Right, but how do you know you haven't interviewed her?

01:35:59.000 So I've got a lot of the documents that confirm what he's saying and no one's really dug into it.

01:36:03.000 So what she's done is she's used the threat assessment office of the LAPD, which is like basically a bunch of star fuckers.

01:36:08.000 Like they love celebrities.

01:36:10.000 And so they tried to make it like this guy who's also kind of like a minor celebrity.

01:36:14.000 They tried to use him and say like he's a stalker or whatever to advance their power and interests when it's really just a dispute that they had.

01:36:21.000 And they got into an argument like as couples do. 0.99

01:36:23.000 He divorced her and he then married somebody else.

01:36:27.000 She was all like upset about this and she hired people to basically torment this guy. 0.99

01:36:33.000 How do you know that he wasn't addicted or whatever?

01:36:36.000 There was no like record of that.

01:36:37.000 There's been no record of anything.

01:36:39.000 There's no record as far as her going to the hospital or no record of like abuse, no record of like, you know, of him like hurting her in court.

01:36:39.000 There was no recording.

01:36:49.000 Actually, they suggested that he sat on her, you know, but that then the court, then the lawyer kind of retracted that.

01:36:55.000 I mean, basically, there's no evidence, physical evidence whatsoever that he was like beating her.

01:36:59.000 There's no evidence.

01:37:00.000 See, the problem I have with that is there's a lot of women that don't want to admit that their man beats them. 1.00

01:37:06.000 They freak out about it, or there's a mutually abusive relationship and the man takes it too far and they don't ever go to the hospital about it.

01:37:14.000 I don't think that's the case here.

01:37:15.000 I mean, you would have to drill down on the particulars because I've written about this a bunch already.

01:37:18.000 It's been a few years ago.

01:37:18.000 Don't you feel like you have to communicate with her?

01:37:20.000 I have.

01:37:21.000 I've reached out to her.

01:37:22.000 I mean, all of the documentation that's in the case supports this guy's side of it.

01:37:26.000 And she has said things that contradict the documentation that's out there.

01:37:29.000 Like, she said that she feared for her life and she called the 911 call.

01:37:29.000 Like what?

01:37:34.000 And I posted the audio of that, and it showed like she wasn't freaking out or anything.

01:37:39.000 She was very calm.

01:37:40.000 She was trying to get her husband around. 0.97

01:37:42.000 I mean, there's a lot of physical evidence in the case.

01:37:47.000 I mean, not to tell you what to do with your podcast, but he's somebody you should have on because he's kind of an interesting guy.

01:37:51.000 He's been, you know, he was like a total liberal kind of guy, and he's been dealing with the trauma of this.

01:37:58.000 And there's, I mean, if you go to Got News, I've kind of written it out in kind of more detail, but there's a lot of evidence to kind of point me.

01:38:04.000 I tend to be very suspicious of men who are like accused of, you know, accused of beating in general because like, yeah, like because it's common.

01:38:10.000 Like people do it.

01:38:11.000 You know, like a friend of mine actually, not a friend of mine, but you know, like a Twitter friend of mine, Todd Kincannon, who's a famous kind of Republican guy, was wailing on his wife for a long time and was apparently arrested for it.

01:38:22.000 So I don't discount that, that that happens.

01:38:25.000 But the evidence that's gone on here, the number of people, different civil rights groups have gotten involved, the number of researchers have gotten involved.

01:38:33.000 There are a lot of people who are like, this guy could go to jail for a year on trumped up charges.

01:38:39.000 And it's kind of wild.

01:38:41.000 But again, you never really know.

01:38:42.000 Like this gets to what we were saying earlier, right?

01:38:44.000 You never really know what goes on with two people, right?

01:38:47.000 Right.

01:38:47.000 When you go to the girl with the mattress on her back, it's obvious that it does happen.

01:38:51.000 So obviously there's some people that are fucking crazy.

01:38:53.000 There's also some people that want to do that Glenn Close thing.

01:38:57.000 I'm not going to be ignored.

01:38:59.000 I will not be ignored.

01:39:01.000 Like they don't, someone doesn't want you to just move on with your life.

01:39:04.000 Men and women.

01:39:06.000 There's men that stalk women after they just go crazy.

01:39:09.000 There's certain people that that feeling that they get that we discussed before when someone rejects you, that horrible feeling of loss and just like, God, which is nature trying to get you to do some deep fucking soul searching and figure out how to be a better mate.

01:39:25.000 It's also a drug thing too, right?

01:39:26.000 When you're getting, when you're fucking on the regular, you know, you get certain brain chemicals released, you know, you feel good about yourself, right?

01:39:32.000 Like, I mean, that's what the whole, like, when you first fall in love, you're getting all that octocin into your brain, which is like a narcotic.

01:39:38.000 Like it's a, you know, it's an actual like, and then when you stop getting that, you go through withdrawals, right?

01:39:43.000 And that's what you, that's why you feel like physically, like your body hurts.

01:39:47.000 Yeah.

01:39:48.000 Right.

01:39:48.000 Like that's what that is.

01:39:50.000 And you got to go and build yourself up to be a better mate.

01:39:54.000 But a lot of people, unfortunately, don't.

01:39:56.000 And then the sad thing is then they start using the legal system or their power or their money or whatever to then fuck with the other person.

01:40:03.000 Yeah, it's dark.

01:40:04.000 It's dark what people are capable of doing and deception and the fact that they can plot and conspire to have someone locked up for something just to sort of have an impact on their life.

01:40:12.000 And I don't think it's like a, I don't think it's always an everywhere a malicious thing because I think sometimes you go, you just go crazy.

01:40:18.000 Like, I mean, we've all had bad breakups where we're like, we don't recognize ourselves.

01:40:22.000 Like the actions that we're doing like don't seem rational, right?

01:40:25.000 Well, also there's some people that have some sort of crazy aspects of their personality.

01:40:29.000 They're attractive because they're wild and impulsive and you love it when you first start dating them.

01:40:34.000 You know, like if you're dating a girl and she pulls her pants down in the parking lot and like, come on, let's do it.

01:40:39.000 And you're like, wow, this is crazy.

01:40:40.000 People are going to see this.

01:40:41.000 I don't care.

01:40:42.000 Fuck me.

01:40:42.000 Whoa.

01:40:43.000 Well, that's the same crazy bitch that's going to walk around campus with a mattress on her back. 1.00

01:40:47.000 You know, like that kind of.

01:40:49.000 Yeah, and you don't really think about it.

01:40:50.000 You know, yeah, you're exactly right.

01:40:52.000 Like sometimes the things that draw you to them are the things that ultimately repel you from them, right?

01:40:55.000 Like, yeah.

01:40:56.000 My friend Tony Zara always says that, that psychotic and erotic are basically the same thing, expressing themselves in just different ways.

01:41:03.000 Like the girls who are the most erotic and crazy in bed are all, they're fucking bananas. 1.00

01:41:08.000 Like he only dates crazy girls because they're fun.

01:41:11.000 Yeah.

01:41:12.000 I mean, I got to tell you, like, so I'm coming up on my two-year anniversary of being married.

01:41:16.000 I got to tell you, like, the faster I got rid of the crazy in my life, the happier I was.

01:41:20.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:41:21.000 Well, especially when you recognize the consequences of that crazy.

01:41:24.000 It's so financially, like, debilitating when you're dating crazy people.

01:41:29.000 It can be.

01:41:30.000 It can just drive you.

01:41:32.000 It can be pretty bad.

01:41:33.000 Well, you just got to be aware of the consequences, not just jump to the deep end of the pool.

01:41:37.000 You got to start.

01:41:40.000 Tread slowly.

01:41:40.000 But it is like dancing on dynamite, though.

01:41:42.000 Like, it really is.

01:41:43.000 And a lot of guys think, like, no, no, no, I can control this shit.

01:41:45.000 And like, no, no, no.

01:41:46.000 Like, there's a legal system that's going to get you.

01:41:48.000 Certainly if someone's inclined to sue.

01:41:50.000 And my God, I mean, anybody that finds out about Mattress Girl and then still decides to date her after that, well, what a glutton for punishment you must be.

01:42:00.000 I would be fascinated to interview that guy.

01:42:03.000 Wouldn't you be like, what would you, I mean, what would you do?

01:42:06.000 How about the girl the UVA girl?

01:42:07.000 Let's go back to the Rolling Stone thing.

01:42:10.000 Because we never really completely completed it.

01:42:12.000 Completely completed it.

01:42:15.000 You were the guy who were one of the people that called bullshit on this.

01:42:20.000 And when it all fell apart, which took a long time.

01:42:24.000 Yeah, it was a delayed reaction.

01:42:25.000 Well, like three or four months, but yeah.

01:42:27.000 It took a long time.

01:42:28.000 Yeah.

01:42:29.000 I mean, this whole thing was a huge story, and, you know, yes, all women, all that shit went down. 1.00

01:42:37.000 That bothered me a lot, too.

01:42:38.000 That was yes, all women. 0.76

01:42:40.000 You know what bothered me about that?

01:42:41.000 That guy killed more men than he did women. 0.85

01:42:43.000 And everybody was like, yes, all women.

01:42:45.000 Like, you're dealing with a psycho.

01:42:47.000 Whatever happened to just, like, plain crazy?

01:42:50.000 Like, people that are just nuts.

01:42:51.000 Like, it's not even a political thing.

01:42:52.000 Like, whatever happened to just, like, this guy is nuts.

01:42:55.000 Yeah, but this, the whole, the focus became, instead of his mental health issues, this is a guy in Santa Barbara.

01:43:03.000 The focus became that this whole thing was about men's rights activists and pickup artists who have fucked with this guy's head and gotten him to objectify women and that women have to deal with this guy kind of person on a regular basis.

01:43:18.000 It's just nonsense.

01:43:18.000 Well, completely ignoring the fact that this guy murdered four men and two women.

01:43:23.000 He stabbed more people than he used guns, too.

01:43:25.000 People were trying to ban guns dealing that. 1.00

01:43:27.000 But the whole thing was just so completely fucked up.

01:43:30.000 Like, how can you, and I saw there's so many social justice workers, including one guy that I respect, wrote this article, his hashtag yes all women article.

01:43:37.000 I'm like, Jesus fucking Christ, dude.

01:43:39.000 You're dealing with a person with obvious mental illness problems.

01:43:44.000 And the fact that you're writing yes all women when he murdered men as well is just crazy.

01:43:48.000 It's sexist.

01:43:49.000 It's fucking sexist.

01:43:51.000 It is.

01:43:51.000 And it's sad, too, because like there's so many people out there who have like legit mental health issues that like we shouldn't be putting them into a like into like a Political or social or religious lens.

01:44:02.000 Exactly.

01:44:02.000 We should just be like, we should just get these people help.

01:44:05.000 We should try and identify them, not give them guns, right?

01:44:07.000 Like, I think we, you know, those of us who are pro-guns, we should recognize that like there's some people who shouldn't have guns.

01:44:14.000 Not that we should be overly restrictive about gun laws, because I think a lot of people in Maryland right now kind of wish they could have concealed carry, you know, in Baltimore and whatnot.

01:44:23.000 But we should be like, we should stop trying to politicize everything and try to like help people.

01:44:29.000 And the thing is, when you start framing these things as political discussions rather than like, hey, like, this guy's crazy.

01:44:36.000 Like, we should help him.

01:44:37.000 And it's a power grab for social brownie points.

01:44:40.000 This guy that I know that I respect that wrote this article, he's a fucking dork.

01:44:43.000 He's a dork.

01:44:44.000 And I've seen, I've, you know, I mean, I say that with all love, but he's just a super nerdy guy who's very weak.

01:44:52.000 And this is a lot of fun.

01:44:53.000 This is a signaling thing.

01:44:54.000 This is a signaling thing.

01:44:55.000 He's throwing his peacock feathers out.

01:44:56.000 Yeah, it's all, I mean, this is, we're monkeys, right?

01:44:59.000 Like, or we're like, you know, we're primates or whatever we want to say, you know, the PC version of it.

01:45:03.000 All monkeys signal.

01:45:04.000 Like, all of them socially, they, you know, that's what the gorilla does this for.

01:45:08.000 Like, this is what this is.

01:45:10.000 And what they're doing is they're using the taboos of the society to show to women that they're virtuous and that therefore they're deserving of female attention. 0.76

01:45:19.000 And, you know, they don't know that they're doing that.

01:45:21.000 I'm sure they see like a political lens to it, but that's what they're doing.

01:45:25.000 Absolutely.

01:45:25.000 I mean, this is also, by the way, while heinous, horrific acts are going on all throughout the world that these people are conveniently ignoring.

01:45:33.000 Like you're not focusing on the Congo.

01:45:38.000 Yes.

01:45:39.000 A real rape culture. 1.00

01:45:40.000 They're not focusing on Afghanistan.

01:45:42.000 They're not writing articles on some of the most heinous activities of the human race.

01:45:45.000 They're writing articles about this one thing that's in the news, and then they're using it to focus on one very specific aspect of that thing.

01:45:53.000 Not the mental illness aspect.

01:45:54.000 Because it's easy to gender aspect.

01:45:55.000 Because it's easy, man.

01:45:56.000 I mean, I watched all these videos.

01:45:58.000 I read every article Sabrina Rubin early wrote.

01:46:00.000 I watched all the videos that I could find of her.

01:46:03.000 It was hard to do this shit.

01:46:05.000 You know what I mean?

01:46:06.000 And it's easy just to be like, yes, all women, and it's hard to go to see the rape rooms in these shitty countries, right? 0.97

01:46:15.000 It's hard to get access to it.

01:46:16.000 And then the people who do get access to it doesn't trend on Twitter and nobody really sees it, which is the sad side of our media landscape.

01:46:24.000 What is the consequences for the woman who's a false rape accuser? 1.00

01:46:27.000 Well, there's no victim because there's no real guy she pointed to, right?

01:46:30.000 Well, there's a fraternity, right?

01:46:32.000 The fraternity was vandalized.

01:46:33.000 I think something like $100,000 worth of damage was done.

01:46:36.000 People saw that as an excuse.

01:46:37.000 This is the thing that scares me, right?

01:46:38.000 This is like, I don't like the Hitler reducto-added Hitlerium thing, but like, you know, like the Kristallnach thing when people were like targeting Jews, right?

01:46:46.000 Like there's a certain aspect of this where like it becomes okay to hate certain people.

01:46:51.000 And because it's okay to hate them, it's okay to harm them.

01:46:55.000 And we are seeing this with like, you know, attacks on the police in Baltimore right now.

01:46:59.000 We're seeing this with attacks on fraternities.

01:47:02.000 I mean, if you, the social justice warriors are honest about this.

01:47:05.000 They say like, we want to destroy fraternities in this country as like bastions of male power, right?

01:47:10.000 Like that's what they're trying to do.

01:47:12.000 That's why you saw, you remember that like video a while back at Oklahoma where the, you know, the frat boys were saying some racist shit, like, which was like, you know, we've all been in environments where people have said shit that like probably shouldn't be broadcast to the entire world, right?

01:47:25.000 Like we've all been, we've all been like, I'm not saying, you know, the Donald Sterling thing is a good example of this, like a private conversation.

01:47:32.000 I mean, if you can't have a private conversation with your mistress, who can you have a private conversation with?

01:47:35.000 Well, no, the Donald Sterling thing, Jesus Christ.

01:47:38.000 I mean, I had a bit about it in my act because it was so ridiculous.

01:47:41.000 He's asking her to not take pictures of black guys in the same sentence.

01:47:46.000 He said, I don't care if you fuck them. 1.00

01:47:49.000 No, the joke I had in my act was, could you imagine if it was the opposite way?

01:47:53.000 If he said, I don't mind if you take pictures of the black guys, but I don't want you to fuck them. 1.00

01:47:57.000 People would be like, that's pretty reasonable.

01:47:59.000 I think it's kind of somehow another it's racist because he doesn't want her taking pictures with them.

01:48:03.000 The whole thing is nuts.

01:48:04.000 The whole thing was nuts.

01:48:05.000 They took that guy's fucking team away.

01:48:07.000 I think he did it deliberately.

01:48:08.000 I have this whole theory about how it's like, how it was like an elaborate play to sell the team.

01:48:13.000 I mean, he increased the value.

01:48:14.000 Really?

01:48:15.000 If you look at when he bought it.

01:48:16.000 He's not that bright.

01:48:17.000 Have you ever heard of it?

01:48:18.000 He's a fucking billionaire.

01:48:19.000 He's a financial genius, but not socially.

01:48:22.000 I'm sure he's going to communicate.

01:48:24.000 I mean, I think he got back with the chick, too.

01:48:26.000 I could be wrong on that, but I think he got back with her.

01:48:28.000 He should.

01:48:28.000 You know why?

01:48:29.000 Because she's getting sued by his fucking wife. 1.00

01:48:31.000 She's losing everything.

01:48:32.000 That bitch is going to be broke as a joke. 1.00

01:48:34.000 His wife is going after money that she donated to charity, like when she bought things with a credit card and you give away $5 for breast cancer.

01:48:43.000 She wants that money, too. 0.98

01:48:45.000 Dude, divorce is ugly. 1.00

01:48:46.000 Well, the wife is just going after this cunt. 1.00

01:48:49.000 I mean, like, this chick, like, the wife is going after her because she can and because she can break her. 1.00

01:48:57.000 She can show her, yeah, you might be able to fuck my husband because you're young and pretty, but guess what I can do? 1.00

01:49:03.000 I have a billion dollars and I'm going to sue you into the ground. 0.97

01:49:07.000 And if I lose, I'm going to sue you for something else.

01:49:10.000 And I'm going to keep going until you got no fucking money. 1.00

01:49:13.000 Yeah, it's kind of wild, isn't it?

01:49:14.000 It's crazy.

01:49:15.000 But this is our legal system right now.

01:49:17.000 But I mean, in some ways, the legal system is super important to have.

01:49:21.000 It's important.

01:49:21.000 If somebody victimizes you, you have recourse.

01:49:25.000 You could get that money, but you can get it back.

01:49:28.000 Oh, she didn't get victimized.

01:49:30.000 She had a husband that was fucking the hot young girl and buying her condos and buying her Mercedes or whatever the fuck he bought or of Jaguars or Bentleys or whatever the fuck it was. 1.00

01:49:41.000 The whole thing is kind of hilarious when it's all played out in front of you.

01:49:45.000 Yeah, you would think it would be like a, yeah, you would think it was like a Tom Wolf novel or like you would think it's like some kind of fun play or something.

01:49:52.000 But I mean like with the Jackie Coakley situation at the University of Virginia, right?

01:49:56.000 I thought it was kind of racist that we all like know Tawana Brawley's name, but not Jackie Coakley.

01:50:01.000 Like people didn't want to name her.

01:50:02.000 Well Tawana Brawley though came out publicly.

01:50:04.000 Sure, but this is a big difference.

01:50:06.000 But she did too.

01:50:07.000 She participated in a story, right?

01:50:09.000 Like a lot of the times that, you know, if it was so important to keep her honest.

01:50:12.000 She was a little bit reluctant.

01:50:13.000 I mean, she wasn't.

01:50:14.000 So we're told now, right?

01:50:16.000 But like, I mean, I'm sure there's some power that comes with being, I mean, it was brought up before Congress.

01:50:21.000 Like they tried to pass like laws based upon this girl, based upon Emily Renda, who was her friend, who apparently has this whole other problem with her own rape story where she was allegedly raped.

01:50:31.000 But there are like conflicting accounts on that.

01:50:33.000 But like the thing that bothers me about this is not is not the girls, because I think there is something like mentally ill with Jackie.

01:50:40.000 Like Jackie's clearly bipolar.

01:50:41.000 Like a lot of the people I've talked to who know her says that she's just not well.

01:50:45.000 The thing that bothers me is there's this desire by a lot of like journalists now to go and shop, as Sabrina Rubin Erdley put it, to shop around looking for victims, right?

01:50:54.000 Rather than to like tell the complexity of like, you know, an actual fight that goes on.

01:50:59.000 I mean, what they do is they reduce people to like characters in their agit prop play, right?

01:51:05.000 Rather than like get into like the motivations and the psychology.

01:51:09.000 And they don't really like, they don't really do the actual work.

01:51:12.000 They basically use the gang rapes or the more tawdry sensationalist things to basically push people, emotionally manipulate them to like advance an interest or an agenda.

01:51:24.000 And what's happening right now on college campuses is they're eliminating due process rights for men.

01:51:29.000 And like, I was a nerd in college.

01:51:30.000 Like I'm a nerd now, right?

01:51:31.000 Like nobody was asking me to join the fraternity.

01:51:33.000 Like I live with football players and I like, you know, I saw the progression, you know, the procession of hot women that came in and tried to fuck them. 1.00

01:51:40.000 Right.

01:51:41.000 Like I, you know, I saw all this.

01:51:43.000 But the, and I'm not like trying to like defend some of the borish behavior that like football players and frat guys have.

01:51:48.000 Like we all know there's some stuff that goes on there that's probably like probably not the coolest stuff in the world, right?

01:51:54.000 Absolutely.

01:51:54.000 But we also know that some women are attracted to borish men.

01:51:57.000 Of course.

01:51:58.000 Because those are the men that just go to war and those are the men that defend them and those are the violent, aggressive men are attractive to their genes.

01:52:06.000 Look, you can have a society, you can on the one hand have a society that like tries to turn us all into basically feminized men and then hope that things will work out.

01:52:15.000 You need burly, disturbed men to go and break stuff.

01:52:19.000 This is like what you need in a society.

01:52:21.000 And if you're just constantly putting upon them and constantly, it's not going to work out well.

01:52:26.000 This movie does not go well.

01:52:31.000 This UVA thing.

01:52:33.000 So Rolling Stone publishes this story with very little vetting of the facts and just violated all the laws of journalism, which is so disturbing because Rolling Stone is this iconic magazine that, in my mind, is ultimately connected with Hunter S. Thompson and Matt Taip.

01:52:51.000 Totally.

01:52:52.000 But they pissed me off when they put the cover of the fucking terrorist on the cover.

01:52:56.000 Like my sister was there 20 minutes beforehand, and when they did that, I was like, fuck them.

01:53:00.000 I'm done with this place.

01:53:01.000 Well, they didn't just put him on the cover.

01:53:03.000 If they put him on the cover, handcuffed, being covered in blood, like they found him under that boat tarp.

01:53:09.000 That would be one thing.

01:53:10.000 They put a glamour shot of him.

01:53:12.000 He's a cute kid.

01:53:15.000 Yeah, and you had some fellowship.

01:53:16.000 This is what we're getting at, though.

01:53:17.000 Women like borish men, right? 1.00

01:53:19.000 So they were going, all these chicks, like the free joke R. Sarana of Brigade on Twitter were like, oh, he's so hot. 0.91

01:53:26.000 Like there are all these people on, all these chicks, like high school chicks on Twitter, who are like, oh, he's so hot.

01:53:29.000 He's so dreamy.

01:53:30.000 He's all this.

01:53:31.000 Really?

01:53:31.000 Oh, yeah.

01:53:32.000 It was like depraved stuff.

01:53:35.000 I mean, it just goes to show you that women have, you know, some women have no taste. 1.00

01:53:38.000 Also, they're just fucking around, you know?

01:53:40.000 So I don't know that some of them were fucking around, though.

01:53:42.000 Like, there was some stuff that was done, you know, like, this is what happens.

01:53:45.000 He's an attractive kind of guy.

01:53:47.000 But that pissed me off.

01:53:49.000 And then with the Rolling Stone stuff, what I discovered about a lot of journalism out there that you see all the time is that it goes through very little fact-checking.

01:53:57.000 Yeah.

01:53:58.000 And the Sabrina Rubin Erdley is like a prime example of this.

01:54:01.000 But we've got, there are many examples of this.

01:54:03.000 You can shoot down a lot of articles these days.

01:54:05.000 Yeah, well, you certainly can shoot down that one.

01:54:08.000 That article is a rough one.

01:54:10.000 And that article being in Rolling Stone was so disappointing to a lot of people that there's a lot of people canceled their Rolling Stone subscriptions, I'm sure, because of it.

01:54:19.000 It's one of those things where you're always going to have to wonder about any scathing report that they publish in that magazine now.

01:54:26.000 But you know, there's no story, right?

01:54:28.000 There's no story without Jackie Coakley talking to Sabrina Rubin-Eardley.

01:54:32.000 So why does she go and talk to her? 1.00

01:54:33.000 Because Emily Renda, who's like trying to push this campus rape agenda story, you know, this kind of rape culture fantasy, she was shopping around for victims. 1.00

01:54:44.000 And there's no story without Jackie Coakley.

01:54:46.000 And she lied.

01:54:47.000 I mean, she lied repeatedly.

01:54:48.000 She relied about the guy even existing.

01:54:50.000 She hadn't talked to the photo of the guy that she had seen in all these years.

01:54:53.000 Like, there's just, I mean, you have to vet your sources.

01:54:56.000 You have to vet people that you talk to.

01:54:58.000 And none of that was done because the story was too good.

01:55:01.000 It was too sexy.

01:55:02.000 Well, it's one of those things, this story, where you can't question a woman who says that she was involved in a rape because if you do, you become a rape apologist, you become a part of the problem, you become all, I mean, you attach a bunch of different negative monikers to it.

01:55:23.000 And that sort of, that hands-off, non-objective approach to one very specific thing.

01:55:29.000 If you talk about a man who's been beaten up, you know, and a man whose violence has been perpetrated on him, you can ask all sorts of questions.

01:55:38.000 But if it's a woman and it's sexual. 1.00

01:55:40.000 Why do you think, I mean, so I've been thinking about this.

01:55:42.000 I've been having this debate with a friend of mine, right, about the rape shield law, right?

01:55:45.000 Because, you know, like in a lot of newspapers, a lot of newspapers do this like, you know, by design.

01:55:50.000 They say like they don't mention the name of the woman, right?

01:55:53.000 Whenever there's a rape allegation.

01:55:55.000 They say, you know, this woman was raped.

01:55:56.000 She's 2019 or whatever.

01:55:58.000 They never tell you like her name.

01:56:00.000 And I always feel really uncomfortable with this because it provides a great shield to do damage to somebody, right?

01:56:08.000 Like if you, if you don't identify the name of a victim, a supposed victim, it's an alleged victim.

01:56:13.000 We haven't had a trial yet.

01:56:14.000 We haven't had conviction yet.

01:56:15.000 We haven't had anything, right?

01:56:17.000 And when people we know are doing power plays to kind of like screw people over, I mean, I posted an article of 13 women who lied about rape on my Twitter page.

01:56:26.000 And like, I think the rape shield idea existed like in a time before kind of the sexual revolution.

01:56:33.000 So it made a lot of sense then, like when a woman's virtuousness or, you know, not having sex was prized.

01:56:39.000 But like, we're in 2015.

01:56:41.000 Like most people are having sex before marriage, right?

01:56:43.000 Like a lot of people, you know what I mean?

01:56:45.000 Like it seems kind of weird that we still have this thing where we keep the name of the vict of the, it's an alleged victim, but they always pretend like it's a real victim.

01:56:54.000 And we don't know that yet.

01:56:56.000 Like there hasn't been.

01:56:57.000 And it seems like if we named if we named the women, you know, like, hey, so-and-so is accusing such and such of this crime, and we just name them like we do for attempted murder, like we do for all kinds of cases, I think we would get fewer of these fake rape incidents.

01:57:15.000 Do you also think, though, that we would get few real rape accusations of actual rape because women don't want to be shamed?

01:57:21.000 There's some women that the shame of coming out publicly about an actual real rape, it actually prevents them from going after a real rapist. 1.00

01:57:32.000 That's a fact.

01:57:33.000 So we're told, yeah.

01:57:34.000 But that's not so we're told.

01:57:36.000 I mean, this is people that have actually been raped where it's been proven they've been raped have said that they were reluctant to talk about it because of the shame that comes on them, the shame that gets put on them because of the situation where a woman gets raped.

01:57:48.000 It's very different than a woman getting beat up or a man getting beat up or any other situation.

01:57:53.000 When a person gets raped, it's a shameful, horrible feeling that this person has to deal with publicly.

01:58:00.000 They have to be publicly humiliated by the fact that this guy sexually used them, held them down.

01:58:06.000 Sure.

01:58:07.000 It's not just about a woman was assaulted.

01:58:09.000 If a woman's assaulted, that's one thing. 0.95

01:58:11.000 And it does have to do with our unusual connection with sexuality.

01:58:17.000 We have this thing about sexuality, this sort of demonization.

01:58:23.000 Right.

01:58:23.000 Women either are whores or nuns, right?

01:58:28.000 Or saints.

01:58:29.000 There's kind of like this kind of like in the post-sexual revolution era, we're not sure if women should be virtuous or if they should be the same as men. 0.55

01:58:39.000 We're not really sure what to make.

01:58:41.000 I mean, I've thought about this, though.

01:58:42.000 I would never shame a woman.

01:58:43.000 Like if somebody came to me and they were like, you know, I was raped or like, you know, my sister or friend or whatever, I wouldn't be like, you know, shaming them.

01:58:52.000 I don't know that, like, I don't know that the shame thing really is as true as it once was.

01:58:57.000 Maybe it's still there.

01:58:57.000 And maybe you're right about that.

01:58:59.000 But like, you wouldn't shame a girl, right?

01:59:01.000 Like who came to you and said that she was raped.

01:59:02.000 You'd be like, oh my God, like, I'm sorry.

01:59:04.000 Like, yeah, he's not a good person.

01:59:05.000 Of course not.

01:59:06.000 But what kind of man would do that?

01:59:06.000 Of course not.

01:59:08.000 I mean, not to say that that wouldn't happen.

01:59:10.000 Well, there's a lot of shitheads out there, though.

01:59:12.000 Whenever you go public, you expose yourself to all people.

01:59:16.000 And out of all people, there's going to be a certain percentage of them.

01:59:19.000 They're just dicks.

01:59:20.000 I love to use this term, the 1%. 1.00

01:59:23.000 The 1%, everyone always wants to use the 1% in terms of the judges and the bankers.

01:59:28.000 But 1% of people are just fucking cunts.

01:59:31.000 And 1% of men, 1% of women. 0.55

01:59:34.000 This is 1%.

01:59:35.000 There's only 1 out of 100.

01:59:36.000 And they're magnified on Twitter, aren't they?

01:59:37.000 Well, they're magnified when you get a public exposure to millions.

01:59:42.000 If you're dealing with 300 million people, the United States population, whatever the fuck it is, you're dealing with 3 million cunts. 1.00

01:59:49.000 Yeah.

01:59:50.000 And if there's one in a million, there are still 300 cunts. 0.98

01:59:53.000 Yeah, that's a lot.

01:59:54.000 Sure.

01:59:55.000 I mean, one in a million is a ridiculously optimistic outlook.

01:59:55.000 That's a lot.

01:59:58.000 Yeah, of course.

01:59:59.000 It's way more than that.

02:00:00.000 It's probably one in 100.

02:00:01.000 If you get together with 100 people, especially when you add anonymity, like the anonymity that the internet provides, where you don't have the social consequences of being questioned for your behavior or your tweets.

02:00:13.000 It's like being on the freeway and being a shitty driver, right?

02:00:15.000 Because nobody can identify.

02:00:16.000 It's the same kind of thing.

02:00:17.000 There's a lot of that, but at least they can see you.

02:00:19.000 They can look in your eyes and see your car, write your plate down.

02:00:22.000 You have just some jumbled series of numbers and letters.

02:00:25.000 It's your Twitter account.

02:00:26.000 You're an asshole on it.

02:00:28.000 And you can do it anonymously and you can get away with it.

02:00:31.000 So if you find out that someone has been accused of something or some woman is, you know, some crime like rape has been perpetrated against her, what's to stop some anonymous fuckhead from just harassing them and going after them?

02:00:44.000 And a lot of people have like made of, you know, they've made a strong habit of doing that to people.

02:00:51.000 Yeah, well, let's take like, let's take a good example.

02:00:52.000 Like, so I was reading John Krakauer's book, Missoula, which is like about this campus rape phenomenon in Montana, University of Montana.

02:01:00.000 There's a phenomenon?

02:01:01.000 He says there's a phenomenon going on, but he's at the University of Montana.

02:01:04.000 He lives in Montana, so I assume he was just interviewing people.

02:01:07.000 But there are like five or six anecdotes of rapes.

02:01:11.000 And one of the cases is this guy who's a football player who in 2012 was found not guilty of rape.

02:01:17.000 He was like brought before the courts and everything.

02:01:19.000 He was exonerated.

02:01:20.000 And Krakauer wants this guy to be expelled, even though the court system found him innocent.

02:01:25.000 And he's created this anonymous identity for this chick. 0.94

02:01:29.000 He calls her Washburn.

02:01:31.000 I forget her first name in the book.

02:01:32.000 But there's this case, University of Montana, where the guy's found innocent.

02:01:38.000 And even after he's found innocent, he's still being tortured with being called a rapist.

02:01:42.000 He's still being tortured with being called.

02:01:45.000 And I think, I got to say, like, damaging accusations of rape.

02:01:50.000 You know, rape is like a serious, terrible crime.

02:01:53.000 It's like, as Dershowitz has put it, it's the most falsely reported crime, but it's also the most underreported crime that we sort of have in our society.

02:02:00.000 But on the other hand, like, it should be a big deal to accuse somebody publicly.

02:02:04.000 You should, I mean, under the Sixth Amendment of the United States Constitution, you have a right to confront your accusers.

02:02:09.000 How can you confront them if the trial is occurring in the media without your ability to even respond to the anonymous allegations?

02:02:16.000 So it's kind of like a trade-off thing, and it's really difficult to make the balance.

02:02:20.000 Anyone who says definitively, like, I have the answer for you on this stuff, it's just totally full of shit because it's really hard to know what to do.

02:02:27.000 You know, like, should we not write about the University of Montana case where this guy was found not guilty because he's now been found not guilty, even though he may have raped her, right?

02:02:35.000 We don't know.

02:02:37.000 Just because the court system decides something, we know there are many cases where courts get things wrong.

02:02:40.000 Somebody on Twitter pointed out something really good that I need to address.

02:02:44.000 The white people that rioted in the hockey riots of Vancouver.

02:02:49.000 I was actually there for that.

02:02:51.000 I was there right before that went down.

02:02:53.000 I left just before the riots.

02:02:56.000 Well, I didn't see the riots, but I had been in the town.

02:02:58.000 I was like, they're so nice up here.

02:03:00.000 How the fuck are they rioting?

02:03:01.000 So somebody had a good point.

02:03:02.000 White people do riot. 0.89

02:03:04.000 But it's all over sporting events, and it's over relatively quickly.

02:03:07.000 Well, not only that, the people that riot were so fucking stupid.

02:03:10.000 They were doing it while everyone was taking pictures and posting it on social media, and a giant chunk of them went to jail.

02:03:16.000 Like a giant chunk of them got arrested.

02:03:18.000 What would it take for you to actually riot?

02:03:20.000 I've always, I've like always, I asked my wife this the other day.

02:03:22.000 I was like, what would you, like, why would we riot, honey?

02:03:25.000 You know, like, I can't imagine a scenario in which I'm like burning things down, destroying people's property.

02:03:31.000 Well, you're not poor.

02:03:32.000 True.

02:03:33.000 You're not poor and desperate, and you don't have to do that.

02:03:39.000 No, definitely.

02:03:39.000 Right.

02:03:40.000 But I think that's a big part of it.

02:03:42.000 I mean, the rioting and the hockey riots, those are fucking retards. 1.00

02:03:45.000 I think it's a young man thing, too, though.

02:03:47.000 For sure.

02:03:48.000 Yeah, there's not a whole lot of young women out there rioting. 1.00

02:03:50.000 We did a video, which is making the rounds, called Good Morning Baltimore, you know, like that old...

02:04:03.000 And it's like, it's really like, it's fucking, it's perverse, but kind of funny.

02:04:08.000 But I think, I don't know, man, like there's something, I think there's something tribal about us as people that like, you know, I've had this experience at like sporting events or like at political events where you feel something like overcome you.

02:04:22.000 And I'm like pretty rational, you know, nerdy guy, you know, high IQ on the bell curve kind of thing.

02:04:27.000 But like there's something if I'm drawn to it and we're all drawn to it, like then the people who are really like dumb and poor and don't have a lot of options and yet they all have smartphones, like it gets really scary.

02:04:39.000 It certainly does.

02:04:40.000 Well, there's without a doubt, there's a certain aspect of human beings that allows us to go with the flow of big movements.

02:04:40.000 It can be done.

02:04:49.000 When there's big things that are happening, there's horrific things that happen in large groups, in mass groups, that just wouldn't happen when there's one person.

02:04:55.000 Yeah.

02:04:56.000 It's a weird thing.

02:04:57.000 And I think the sporting events, like thing of the white people that riot, I think that that is like what I'm talking about. 0.54

02:05:03.000 Like you're part of this tribe and it just like boils over because when you have a whole lot of like, you know, shitheads together, like we were talking about earlier, like 1% of them are going to be assholes or whatever.

02:05:11.000 And I'm sure it starts really, you know, slowly, like one guy breaks something and then everyone else starts breaking shit, right?

02:05:16.000 Well, I think that's also speaks to what we're talking about, the incredible difficulty of escaping from a ghetto because we imitate our atmospheres. 0.75

02:05:24.000 And if we imitate our atmosphere, our atmosphere is boiling over into mad violence and rioting and looting.

02:05:29.000 There's a lot of people that just succumb to that influence and just give in and be overcome.

02:05:34.000 I don't think we're nearly as autonomous as we like to think we are.

02:05:38.000 I think we are a giant superorganism and we have our own individual identities inside that superorganism.

02:05:44.000 Neil Wilson says that.

02:05:45.000 He says we're like ants, like as a species.

02:05:49.000 A great biologist, evolutionary biologist, he says that we're basically a superorganism.

02:05:53.000 But it's not just us.

02:05:54.000 It's pretty much every organism.

02:05:55.000 How do you think those birds fly together in these giant flocks and go left and right and move around like they're all being controlled?

02:06:04.000 How does it happen with fish?

02:06:05.000 How does it happen with all sorts of animals that exist in packs?

02:06:09.000 Wolves, totally.

02:06:10.000 Yeah, we have, you know, we have groups, and these groups act as a unit.

02:06:17.000 And when the group riots, I think people become incredibly compelled to become a part of that.

02:06:23.000 And it takes amazing resolve and intelligence, if you're trapped in that, to avoid the influence of that.

02:06:29.000 But like, so like take the case, like there was a famous sociological experiment where we took, we gave blacks in the ghetto, we gave them like Section 8 vouchers to like get the hell out of the ghetto, right? 0.96

02:06:29.000 Sure. 0.96

02:06:40.000 And we started, there's like an Atlantic article on this like maybe four or five years ago.

02:06:44.000 But what happened was that we gave all these Section 8 vouchers to get out of the ghetto, right? 0.64

02:06:48.000 And what happened?

02:06:49.000 Like people got out of the ghetto and then they started committing crimes like in their new areas.

02:06:54.000 So like we gave everyone, you know, like whatever the rental equivalent is and then you could move into like a nicer area.

02:06:59.000 And they brought the crime with them.

02:07:00.000 So that just goes to show like how much it's like a part of you once you grow up in it or how much it's a part of like your brain, you know?

02:07:07.000 Like so this book I'm reading right now, this is like the best book I've read in like 10 years.

02:07:12.000 It's called Sapiens and it's about basically what makes humans like what made us different from all the other homos or I guess animal homos, you know, Homo erectus, homo Neanderthal or whatever. 1.00

02:07:24.000 And what he says is there's this thing that we have as humans where we take on fictions, like we believe certain isms, and that becomes like most primate species, it's like, you know, a few people are in your tribe and are in your group.

02:07:36.000 You know, like humans, I think it's like 150 maximum.

02:07:39.000 That's like the max size of a tribe.

02:07:42.000 But what happens is that we all start to like believe certain narratives about the world in our brains.

02:07:46.000 We get kind of like brainwashed or whatever.

02:07:48.000 And then we start to act on our commitment to that fiction that we've created.

02:07:53.000 And it's kind of wild when you think about it.

02:07:55.000 Like there's so many fictions in your society, so many things you unconsciously believe, so many isms, but also like things like joint stock companies or like legal documents.

02:08:05.000 I mean, all of law, if you think about it, it's just a fiction we all agree on.

02:08:07.000 Governments, it's the same kind of thing.

02:08:09.000 And this book has really kind of like challenged a lot of my thinking on this because like, you know, if you're in the, if you're creating this mindset that like people are so put upon, so put upon, so put upon, they'll start to act like they're so put upon, right?

02:08:21.000 Because it's like they're, they get infected, their brains get infected.

02:08:24.000 And it becomes really hard to persuade people, particularly it's like, it's pretty self-serving if you just say like, you're in the ghetto and you're fucked.

02:08:30.000 Because like, you know, there are many examples of people like surviving out of the ghetto, people moving out of the ghetto.

02:08:36.000 There are many, like human beings are much more malleable, I think, than of like, you know, escaping from terrible circumstances.

02:08:42.000 And yet what we do as a society is we say like, no, you're fucked.

02:08:45.000 Like you're done.

02:08:46.000 You know, you're never going to.

02:08:47.000 And like, we should be like thinking about ways so we could orient the society so there are more options.

02:08:52.000 But like, it's really.

02:08:53.000 I agree that people are more malleable, but I disagree that people are more malleable when it comes to the ability to escape a ghetto.

02:08:59.000 I think everything is stacked against you if you're in that environment.

02:09:03.000 Financially, it's stacked against you as far as the behavior that you imitate, your atmosphere that you're around, all those fears.

02:09:08.000 Yeah, the peer effects too, like your peer friends and stuff.

02:09:11.000 It's not like you live in Irvine and your family's of moderate income and you figure out a way to make it.

02:09:17.000 It's not that really weird to me.

02:09:19.000 I did a lot of reporting on the Ferguson stuff.

02:09:21.000 And the thing that was really weird to me are these affluent black kids who are coming and slumming in the ghettos of Ferguson. 1.00

02:09:28.000 And I'd never seen anything like this.

02:09:29.000 What do you mean?

02:09:30.000 So there were a number of black radical activist types in Chicago and the suburbs there, who basically black guys whose parents are doctors, lawyers, whatever.

02:09:40.000 People who like, I mean, obviously not every black person is kind of like living in the ghetto.

02:09:45.000 I mean, there are lots of them who live wherever, right?

02:09:48.000 So what was interesting about this is there are all these cases of like, to be like authentically black, these kids who were like, you know, went to fancy schools, went to good schools or whatever, they felt they had to go and participate in like, you know, the anti-cop protests or the, you know what I mean?

02:10:03.000 But isn't that also possibly because they recognized that they were lucky and they want to help?

02:10:08.000 Maybe, yeah, you could be right.

02:10:09.000 Like, I hadn't thought of it that way.

02:10:10.000 I think you may be right.

02:10:11.000 But maybe, on the other hand, I mean, yeah, you probably are right about that to a certain extent.

02:10:16.000 I'm sure there's a motivation of that.

02:10:18.000 But I also think it's kind of weird, too, that your parents give you all these options, right, to escape the ghetto and you return to the ghetto as like a, you know, to like cause trouble.

02:10:27.000 But is it in their mind, they're not causing trouble.

02:10:30.000 In their mind, they're trying to enact some sort of change.

02:10:32.000 True, true.

02:10:33.000 To a certain extent, yeah.

02:10:34.000 What's going on?

02:10:35.000 Angry Baltimore mom beats some FCC police. 0.96

02:10:38.000 Her mom, who rescued, she saw her son on the TV and went after him.

02:10:42.000 She's beating the shit out of him.

02:10:44.000 I like that.

02:10:45.000 I mean, I think it's good.

02:10:46.000 I think if people took more responsibility for their own, for their family members, you know?

02:10:50.000 Like, if you saw your friend on TV rioting, you'd be like, dude, like, don't riot.

02:10:55.000 Yeah.

02:10:57.000 I don't like the beating thing, though.

02:10:58.000 Yeah.

02:10:59.000 I'm not cool on that.

02:11:00.000 That's probably the only way to get this.

02:11:01.000 He's got a mask on.

02:11:05.000 Yeah.

02:11:06.000 I mean, I don't agree with the beating either, but fuck.

02:11:09.000 The whole thing is a wreck.

02:11:10.000 What do you think is going to happen?

02:11:12.000 Yeah.

02:11:12.000 In Baltimore?

02:11:13.000 Well, ultimately, I mean, I'm sure they have the National Guards down there now, and there's probably going to be violence will escalate, and then, like, Ferguson will eventually calm down.

02:11:24.000 Do you know what really pisses me off, though, on this whole thing?

02:11:26.000 Are all these people who are trying to spin it politically?

02:11:29.000 Like, all these people who are like, it's true, like, there hasn't been a Republican mayor of Baltimore since like the 60s or whatever.

02:11:29.000 How so?

02:11:35.000 But they're like, liberals did this, liberalism did this.

02:11:37.000 Like, there are lots of places that are run by liberals that are like perfectly fine places to live.

02:11:41.000 Yeah, go to Boulder, Colorado.

02:11:42.000 Yeah.

02:11:43.000 It's all liberals.

02:11:43.000 Nobody gives a shit.

02:11:44.000 Everybody's nice as shit.

02:11:45.000 Or Westside LA.

02:11:47.000 Or Seattle.

02:11:48.000 Or Boston.

02:11:50.000 Asheville, North Carolina.

02:11:51.000 There's plenty of liberal places that are great.

02:11:51.000 Yeah.

02:11:53.000 Yeah.

02:11:54.000 Yeah, it's not a liberal or Republican thing.

02:11:56.000 It's a poor people thing.

02:11:57.000 It's a lack of hope thing.

02:11:59.000 It's a crime thing.

02:12:00.000 We have poor people too.

02:12:01.000 It's a momentum of the environment thing.

02:12:03.000 We have a whole lot of poor ass Asian people. 1.00

02:12:05.000 Like, you know, in the San Gabriel Valley, we have a whole lot of poor ass Mexicans. 1.00

02:12:08.000 We have a poor lot of people.

02:12:09.000 Well, it's also the heart of what happened in the first place.

02:12:12.000 It's a fucking police brutality issue.

02:12:14.000 Sure.

02:12:14.000 I mean, we don't know what the fuck happened.

02:12:16.000 We don't have a video in this one.

02:12:18.000 But we do have a video of that guy running from the cop and getting shot from behind.

02:12:22.000 Sure.

02:12:22.000 You know, we have that one from South Carolina.

02:12:24.000 Yeah, Walter Scott.

02:12:26.000 Yeah, we case, yeah.

02:12:27.000 You know, we have a series of, we have the 12-year-old kid that had the fucking toy gun where the cops pulled the car over and just shot him.

02:12:35.000 We have a lot of people.

02:12:35.000 Sure.

02:12:36.000 But put yourself in that case, right?

02:12:38.000 In that example of the Tamir Rice situation, right?

02:12:40.000 The kid with the fake gun.

02:12:41.000 The kid with the fake gun.

02:12:42.000 So that area is known for having people with those types of guns robbing people.

02:12:47.000 It's known as a really shitty part of town.

02:12:49.000 You're getting reports of somebody who's running around in a park with a gun.

02:12:53.000 The cop was known for being an overbearing, overviolent cop who was released from another police force, and they didn't want to have to retrain him.

02:12:53.000 Right.

02:13:01.000 So he's hired another cop.

02:13:03.000 He was a bad cop.

02:13:04.000 No doubt about it.

02:13:05.000 But in any population of anything, you're going to get shitty teachers, good teachers, bad cops, good cops.

02:13:10.000 You know, the system that you build should be built towards trying to assess the worst case scenarios.

02:13:17.000 And in some of these cases, like, you know, Darren Wilson is a good example.

02:13:21.000 By the way, people should go see that Ferguson, the play.

02:13:24.000 Like, it's getting all this attention.

02:13:26.000 Yeah, there's this guy, Philim McAlier.

02:13:27.000 He's like a friend of mine.

02:13:28.000 He's an Irish guy.

02:13:29.000 He's a journalist.

02:13:30.000 And he did verbatim theater of the Ferguson stuff where they just read the grand jury transcript and it's caused like all this controversy and craziness.

02:13:38.000 Oh, God.

02:13:39.000 It's here in LA, and it's like totally not even political.

02:13:42.000 They're just like reading this, but it's political because they're reading the script.

02:13:44.000 You know what I mean?

02:13:45.000 It's like one of those kind of situations.

02:13:47.000 And it's really fascinating.

02:13:48.000 Like, I'd read the grand jury transcripts and everything, but to see like actual actors and human beings like talk about what actually happened.

02:13:57.000 And then obviously the actors are making choices and whatnot, like how to stress certain words because we just have a transcript.

02:14:02.000 But it was like pretty riveting stuff, kind of crazy.

02:14:04.000 But if you look at the Darren Wilson thing is like a perfect example of this, like we don't really know what happened.

02:14:10.000 Well, we definitely know that that kid punched him.

02:14:13.000 The kid's dead.

02:14:14.000 The kid punched him and the kid was shot at close range while he was trying to get the guy's gun.

02:14:18.000 Yeah, we know.

02:14:19.000 We know the autopsy.

02:14:20.000 Oh, that's true.

02:14:21.000 But like, we don't know what was said.

02:14:22.000 We don't know what they had for breakfast that morning.

02:14:24.000 You know what I mean?

02:14:25.000 Like, we don't.

02:14:26.000 We don't know.

02:14:27.000 And the thing is, like, we as humans, like Benghazi is another example of this.

02:14:30.000 Like, all these events happen, and people just go and like project their views, their experiences, their life, their whatever onto them.

02:14:37.000 And then they come kind of like Rorschach texts or like ink blots.

02:14:40.000 And we should be really like hesitant.

02:14:42.000 Like, it's true that blacks are disproportionately killed by cops.

02:14:47.000 It's also true that blacks disproportionately commit a lot of crime, right? 1.00

02:14:50.000 Like if you look at like the Asian stats, right?

02:14:53.000 Yeah, if you compare the Asian to the black stats in terms of crime, it's like night and day, right? 1.00

02:14:58.000 Right, but you're also dealing with people that, again, grew up and are a sub, they're a product of these environments.

02:15:03.000 Sure.

02:15:04.000 And disproportionately black.

02:15:06.000 Disproportionately black in these crime-ridden, horrific environments. 0.80

02:15:06.000 Sure. 0.80

02:15:11.000 I mean, like, if you have all these housing projects and the hellhole of like not having fathers around, I'm with you on all of this, right?

02:15:16.000 But I think we need to be like, I think these communities are so intractable and the solutions that we've offered for many, many years of like, they're not solving the problem.

02:15:26.000 And I don't know that we can ever really solve them.

02:15:28.000 And that's kind of, that's like, to me, that's the most terrifying thing about this is that it's just a permanent feature of my life.

02:15:33.000 I certainly don't think there's enough effort put to try to solve the problem.

02:15:37.000 And I think the clear root of that problem is that I described it yesterday in terms of if we are a superorganism, we look at our, and look at our country as a microcosm of the world superorganism.

02:15:50.000 What's the issue with this organism?

02:15:52.000 Well, the issue is the organism has some sick spots it's not dealing with.

02:15:55.000 The way I described it yesterday is if you have a staph infection and you're angry at the staph infection for not healing.

02:16:00.000 Sure.

02:16:01.000 Right.

02:16:01.000 I mean, it's like, oh, fucking stupid staph infection.

02:16:04.000 Why don't you pull yourself up by your bootstraps?

02:16:06.000 But if you look at like, say like a staph infection, right?

02:16:09.000 Like if you're a super organism or whatever, we're all going to die, right?

02:16:12.000 Like at some point, like we're going to get, you know, we're going to get inoperable brain cancer, whatever.

02:16:16.000 Something's going to happen to us.

02:16:17.000 Like that's part of life.

02:16:18.000 Like I think we undersell how much of life is just plain shitty.

02:16:22.000 And like we're always like as like Americans, like we're always trying to like solve these problems, right?

02:16:27.000 But like sometimes things are just not solvable, right?

02:16:32.000 It's not far more optimistic.

02:16:36.000 Well, you're talking about like if you have a broken arm, you think, well, fuck it, I'm going to die anyway.

02:16:39.000 Why go to the doctor?

02:16:40.000 No, but that's essentially what you're saying.

02:16:41.000 No, no, not exactly, though.

02:16:42.000 I'm saying, like, there are certain things.

02:16:44.000 Let's take a cancer, right?

02:16:46.000 Inoperable cancer, right?

02:16:47.000 And where staff work, you know, there are certain things.

02:16:49.000 But this isn't inoperable.

02:16:50.000 But there are certain things.

02:16:51.000 But ghettos aren't inoperable.

02:16:53.000 I mean, how would we solve it?

02:16:55.000 We've got my money.

02:16:58.000 Make an effort.

02:16:59.000 How about some effort?

02:17:00.000 There's almost nothing being done.

02:17:02.000 If you look at like Dorchester, where I used to live, right, and how shitty and run down it was, you know, they're putting in all these new schools.

02:17:08.000 They're putting in school choice things, charter schools, all that.

02:17:11.000 I'm all.

02:17:11.000 Some people get upset at that.

02:17:12.000 Gentrification, right?

02:17:14.000 Yeah.

02:17:14.000 And then they get pissed off because their real estate prices go up, right?

02:17:16.000 So it's like, and then, you know, poor people have always gotten fucked throughout human history.

02:17:21.000 Like, it's just a shitty part of existence.

02:17:23.000 Right.

02:17:24.000 You know, like, and I don't know so many of the solutions we offered.

02:17:27.000 We built housing projects to help people with affordable housing, right?

02:17:30.000 Then they became like dens of crime, you know?

02:17:32.000 It's not enough.

02:17:33.000 Affordable housing just makes it cheaper for people to live in a fucked up place.

02:17:38.000 It doesn't change the fucked up place. 0.74

02:17:38.000 Sure. 0.74

02:17:40.000 You have to figure out a way somehow or another.

02:17:42.000 And I'm not a social engineer.

02:17:43.000 Yeah.

02:17:44.000 But I think there has to be some sort of a way to look at these communities and they're sick spots.

02:17:50.000 These are areas where there's a disease.

02:17:53.000 And that disease is crime and poverty.

02:17:55.000 And you have to figure out a way to make it better.

02:17:58.000 And one of the ways to make it better is you got to shine a light on it.

02:18:01.000 You got to pay attention to it.

02:18:02.000 And you got to put a lot of money into it.

02:18:04.000 You got to put a lot of money into it in terms of trying to build up that community, trying to help those people.

02:18:10.000 But if you look at like the LA public schools or you look at some of the public school systems out there, we pour shitloads of money into them.

02:18:15.000 Yeah, whether we get awful.

02:18:17.000 We get nothing for the money.

02:18:18.000 See, to me, what's scary about this, like I talked to my family in Baltimore, like if you know, what's scary to me about this is that like what happens is that they get political leadership.

02:18:27.000 And it's not a Democrat-Republican thing.

02:18:29.000 People are trying to put it in that lens.

02:18:31.000 It's they get political leadership.

02:18:32.000 I mean, the mayor before this last one like went to jail, was like indicted for corruption.

02:18:37.000 Like they get these really corrupt, thuggish, bad people.

02:18:40.000 And I'm not saying they're thuggish because they're black.

02:18:42.000 I'm saying they're thugs because they're thugs, right?

02:18:45.000 They prey on their own people and they pray in their own communities. 1.00

02:18:48.000 And it's really like sick.

02:18:50.000 And I don't know how you solve that if we're going to have like, if we're going to have a society where people can vote and elect people.

02:18:56.000 Like, I mean, so much of the political system is bullshit, even in like the wealthier parts of the country, right?

02:19:00.000 We still have to deal with assholes who like pretend to represent us, who are whatever party.

02:19:04.000 And yet like these people have no choice.

02:19:06.000 They're often like, you know, the people who get elected are like corrupt.

02:19:09.000 They're bad people.

02:19:11.000 And yet like they're supposed to, I mean, you can't get a good system out of a corrupt group of people.

02:19:17.000 It's just not going to happen, right?

02:19:19.000 I see what you're saying.

02:19:20.000 And I think the, you're ultimately correct.

02:19:22.000 And I think that.

02:19:24.000 I mean, what do you do?

02:19:25.000 Do you send in like the National Guard and declare it like marshal?

02:19:28.000 No, no, because that's a military system.

02:19:29.000 There's got to be some way to enhance the communities.

02:19:32.000 There's got to be some way to enhance the education.

02:19:35.000 There's got to be some way.

02:19:36.000 I'm not the guy.

02:19:37.000 I don't have any time.

02:19:38.000 And I think this is something that needs to be looked at objectively over long term.

02:19:43.000 It's got to be a project where you somehow or another have to revitalize and re-energize these areas.

02:19:50.000 And then deal with the fact that the momentum of the past is so goddamn strong in these places.

02:19:56.000 And they've been fucked for decade after decade after decade.

02:19:59.000 You get generation after generation after generation of people born into this thing with very little recourse.

02:20:05.000 And I think Obama is right.

02:20:07.000 I mean, I don't agree with Obama on a lot of stuff, but I think Obama's right when he says that, you know, he quotes Faulkner saying that the past isn't past.

02:20:13.000 It's not, you know, the past is not finished.

02:20:15.000 It's not even past.

02:20:16.000 Yeah, you're right.

02:20:18.000 Like, I mean, there is something to be said for this being a legacy of slavery.

02:20:21.000 It's a legacy of like failed urban policies of the 60s.

02:20:24.000 It's a legacy of like we're always like kind of dependent on history.

02:20:27.000 Like history is still very much alive in some of these places, you know.

02:20:30.000 Well, it's so recent as we're talking about slavery being 1865.

02:20:35.000 That's just not that long.

02:20:37.000 150 years.

02:20:38.000 It's nothing.

02:20:39.000 It's a blip.

02:20:41.000 The University of Virginia case.

02:20:44.000 Is there any repercussion against the girl who filed the false charges?

02:20:48.000 She's kind of dropped out of school.

02:20:50.000 I think she works as last I checked she works at a hair salon. 1.00

02:20:52.000 And it's just sad.

02:20:53.000 Like the whole thing is sad.

02:20:55.000 So a lot of people think I take like joy in having I take joy in like exposing the truth always, but I don't take joy in like, you know, these people's property was destroyed.

02:21:04.000 This girl's life is ruined. 0.97

02:21:05.000 I mean, to a certain extent, that's like the social cost.

02:21:07.000 Like I had to, I had a responsibility to like make it public who this person was, I think.

02:21:13.000 But it's sad.

02:21:14.000 Like the whole situation is kind of sad.

02:21:16.000 And I know there's like some people right now who want to do like a more comprehensive report.

02:21:20.000 And I'm probably going to help with that going into more stuff on Sabrina Rubin Eardley.

02:21:23.000 But there, I mean, there are fraternities, there are football teams.

02:21:26.000 There's all this stuff that's under attack all throughout the country right now by the social justice warriors.

02:21:30.000 And it's going to be quite frightening.

02:21:35.000 I think it's going to intensify before it gets.

02:21:37.000 And what we have right now is we have a war.

02:21:39.000 And I hate the word war because I hate even the warriors thing, the social justice thing.

02:21:44.000 I prefer social justice activists because they're active.

02:21:47.000 It's not a war.

02:21:48.000 We're not shooting each other.

02:21:49.000 Thank God.

02:21:50.000 But I think there really is a political, electronic civil war going on right now between people who have narrative-based views of the universe and people who are fact-based.

02:22:03.000 Excuse me.

02:22:04.000 They're basically at loggerheads.

02:22:06.000 And I don't know how long this can endure.

02:22:10.000 You talk about slavery and civil war.

02:22:13.000 Lincoln said a house divided against itself can't stand.

02:22:16.000 I don't know how we have journalists on the one hand who present facts and figures and trying to understand the world, and then others who try and basically preach and sell a crazy narrative of the world.

02:22:26.000 I don't know how this coexists.

02:22:28.000 Well, I think it coexists in that this conflict and the debate and the discussion.

02:22:33.000 People like you or people like many of the people that are listening to this now or watching this or people that are discussing this right now on Twitter and arguing pro and con, these subjects get vetted out.

02:22:47.000 They get debated.

02:22:47.000 They get discussed.

02:22:48.000 They get bounced back and forth.

02:22:51.000 And some people will change their minds and some people will be reinforced by this conversation and some people will be angered by this conversation.

02:22:59.000 Some people are angered that I have you on.

02:23:01.000 Yeah, and I saw that.

02:23:02.000 What do you think's up with that?

02:23:03.000 The rape, outing people, saying their names.

02:23:08.000 I think that's a big part.

02:23:09.000 I think that's part of it.

02:23:10.000 But I also think I've said some stuff.

02:23:12.000 You know, I've said some stuff where I've changed my mind on it.

02:23:14.000 And I've also said stuff on Twitter.

02:23:16.000 You know, so I see Twitter as a way of sparking conversations.

02:23:19.000 Like A lot of the stuff that I put on Twitter, I don't necessarily always agree with, and I'm not trying to be a troll, like necessarily.

02:23:24.000 I'm trying to force conversations that I want to have that no one else is having.

02:23:29.000 Well, what was one you had, like name the names of celebrities that support the Baltimore riots?

02:23:35.000 Yeah.

02:23:36.000 Yeah.

02:23:36.000 No, what I want to do with that is I want people to understand like, you know, there are people out there who, there should be a consequence for like supporting it.

02:23:44.000 How could anybody support any fucking riot?

02:23:46.000 There are people out there like Sally Cohn.

02:23:48.000 I mean, there are people out there who are saying them.

02:23:49.000 Sally Cohn, I think she's on MSNBC or she's on CNN or something.

02:23:53.000 She says the riots are good.

02:23:54.000 Yeah, oh yeah.

02:23:54.000 There are people who are saying that the riots, the response to the riots are a political thing.

02:23:59.000 It's an uprising.

02:24:00.000 It's an insurrection.

02:24:01.000 Same people who defended the Ferguson stuff as an uprising against the police, against the system.

02:24:06.000 Don't you think, though, in some ways, what the benefit of it is, is that we're all forced to discuss this now.

02:24:13.000 We're all forced to look at this area of Baltimore, this horrible area.

02:24:17.000 And my friend John Rollo lives in Baltimore.

02:24:20.000 He says there's parts of Baltimore that are just goddamn crazy.

02:24:23.000 And we're seeing it right now.

02:24:24.000 I mean, a lot of people were exposed to it from the wire, and they weren't aware of it.

02:24:28.000 And the problem of the wire, as I tweeted the other day, is that there are far too many white people on it. 0.80

02:24:31.000 I mean, that's what that's what this is showing to us.

02:24:34.000 I mean, yeah, there's some truth to that.

02:24:36.000 But, you know, and like if you're, my cousin likes to say if your city is known for the wire and homicide and all this other stuff, like, it's probably not good.

02:24:45.000 Well, it's definitely a fucked up part of the country.

02:24:48.000 And there's many areas that are like it.

02:24:51.000 Detroit is pretty goddamn fucked up too.

02:24:53.000 Parts of Philly, Chicago.

02:24:54.000 There's some powder kegs out there.

02:24:56.000 There's some places that could blow.

02:24:57.000 And there's some places now, because of YouTube and all of these videos that everyone has, rather, phones that can take videos, you can expose all sorts of shit that shouldn't be happening.

02:25:12.000 Police brutality, and then there's a reaction to it.

02:25:14.000 But do you know, like, so I've been thinking about this.

02:25:16.000 I totally agree with you about the nature of like everyone has these, right?

02:25:19.000 And how awesome that is, how powerful it is.

02:25:20.000 Andrew Breitbar, others have talked about how awesome this technology is.

02:25:23.000 But to a certain extent, when I turn on the camera, right, you're turning on the camera on me, you know, we've got this audio equipment, people change, right?

02:25:30.000 So like to a certain extent, when you're running around filming stuff, some people are performing for the cameras.

02:25:35.000 No doubt.

02:25:35.000 Violence escalates because of that.

02:25:37.000 And I don't know what you do about that because you can't, on the one hand, censor it, because if you censor it, like that's evil and wicked, like we're against that.

02:25:44.000 We have a First Amendment for a reason.

02:25:46.000 But on the other hand, it's like the, what is it, that Pareto effect, or there's an effect where basically you watching something causes people to change their behavior.

02:25:55.000 Like if you watch your employees, they're going to change their behavior.

02:25:58.000 Well, it just is.

02:25:59.000 I don't think there's.

02:26:00.000 I mean, it just is.

02:26:01.000 It is a fact.

02:26:02.000 There's no solving it.

02:26:03.000 It doesn't seem, it seems to be a new reality.

02:26:06.000 Just like, how do you get away from the fact that everyone has a cell phone?

02:26:10.000 You don't.

02:26:11.000 Unless an asteroid hits and we have a massive cataclysmic disaster that shuts down the power grid and there's no more modern display or whatever.

02:26:19.000 Unless that happens.

02:26:19.000 Walking dead style.

02:26:20.000 Yeah, there's not really much you're going to be able to do.

02:26:23.000 This is our new reality.

02:26:24.000 Just like the people that lived before cars could never have imagined being able to drive across the country in four days.

02:26:30.000 Just like the people who existed before planes could never imagine doing it in six hours.

02:26:35.000 You're just not going to change that unless you change the entire civilization.

02:26:35.000 Sure.

02:26:40.000 Something exogenous is going to have to happen for that.

02:26:43.000 Yeah, totally agree.

02:26:43.000 Something new.

02:26:44.000 So I don't think we should necessarily concentrate on that as much as we should concentrate on what are the lessons that we can learn from all this.

02:26:50.000 And what I think ultimately we have to concentrate on these areas, whether they're Ferguson, which is a very high crime area, has been for a long time, or whether it's Baltimore.

02:27:02.000 There's areas of the country that need help.

02:27:05.000 And the people that grow up in there grow up in these horrible, crime-ridden environments that really don't have any other recourse.

02:27:11.000 Or a lot of recourse, I should say.

02:27:13.000 Yeah, I don't know what to do about it.

02:27:14.000 I mean, like, one of the things that I kind of feel bad about this, you know, like everyone's going after this woman, Stephanie Rawlings-Blake, for saying, you know, we need a space to destroy.

02:27:25.000 I know a lot of people are going after her.

02:27:25.000 I went after her.

02:27:28.000 We need a space to destroy.

02:27:29.000 Yeah, did you see this?

02:27:30.000 So she did a video where she said, actually, the video that we did of Good Morning Baltimore, with the riots, we started with this opening thing where she said, you know, we need a safe space for people to destroy, for writers to destroy.

02:27:44.000 And people are going after her.

02:27:45.000 She says she misspoke.

02:27:47.000 I don't know.

02:27:47.000 I'd give her the benefit of the doubt because she's been kind of like reluctant on bringing in the police to basically solve the riots.

02:27:53.000 But basically, I feel really bad for her because like, this is a really tough job to be mayor.

02:27:58.000 Like, you know, like, I get to be a journalist.

02:28:00.000 You know, we get to basically just like belovviate and bullshit about this, right?

02:28:03.000 Like, we're not the ones in these cities, like making these decisions.

02:28:06.000 Like, I always try and put myself in the position of people.

02:28:09.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:28:10.000 Like, I always try and put myself in their chair.

02:28:12.000 And like, it's a shitty situation.

02:28:14.000 And I don't see any situation short of like bringing in the military, which I, you know, I'm not a big fan of military industrial complex.

02:28:21.000 But like, that's what they're going to have to do.

02:28:22.000 They did the same thing with the LA riots here, right?

02:28:24.000 Like, you know, the Koreans were defending themselves and their property.

02:28:29.000 And they can't really do that in Maryland because they don't have concealed carry and they have a lot of gun restrictions.

02:28:34.000 And people who are in the kind of white areas there are kind of liberals, so they wouldn't have guns anyways.

02:28:39.000 But what I find really interesting about this is that how quick people are to judge our elected leaders.

02:28:45.000 And we should judge them, but like it's a hard life.

02:28:47.000 It's a shitty situation that these people are in.

02:28:50.000 And I guarantee you, like, Stephanie Rawlings-Blake, you know, the mayor there, she never thought she'd have to deal with this shit.

02:28:55.000 You know, like, it's a tough thing.

02:28:56.000 It's a tough gig.

02:28:57.000 While we try to make sure that we were protected from the cars and other things that were going on, we also gave those who wished what is that?

02:29:06.000 The space to destroy?

02:29:08.000 Yeah, there's the space right there.

02:29:13.000 Wow.

02:29:14.000 The mayor's not saying that she asked people to give space to people who sought to create violence.

02:29:19.000 Any suggestion otherwise would be a misinterpretation of her statement.

02:29:22.000 Her statement sucks, which is not a good statement.

02:29:24.000 What she's saying within the statement.

02:29:26.000 I mean, the video itself, like people should watch it.

02:29:28.000 People should make up their own. 0.86

02:29:30.000 I think what happens a lot of these situations is that the activists, there's like a view among the sort of like municipality-run system.

02:29:38.000 There's a view that like, hey, we can't bring the cops in because if we bring the cops in, it'll just inflame people.

02:29:45.000 Because it's the same thing with the video camera.

02:29:47.000 If you put a cop in a ghetto environment, people hate the cops.

02:29:50.000 Like they're going to react, right?

02:29:51.000 Like, and so their view is like, we shouldn't bring in the police.

02:29:54.000 But then you don't bring in the police and then the riots get even more out of hand and it's like, it's like you can't win situation.

02:30:00.000 I'm of the opinion that when we look at these isolated instances, any of them, we look at it and we say, wow, this is horrible.

02:30:10.000 The world is fucked.

02:30:11.000 But I think that what's going on with all of these incidences is we're reacting to problems that we have in our society.

02:30:20.000 We're reacting to these areas that need attention.

02:30:23.000 And these explosive events that cause whether it's riots or protests or marches or all of these things are ultimately good because I think they cause people to focus on these areas that are convenient to ignore.

02:30:41.000 I mean, I agree with you that it does spotlight this stuff.

02:30:43.000 I'm just not...

02:30:46.000 I mean, like, if I go, like, I pray that you're correct, that we can solve a lot of this stuff.

02:30:51.000 But, like, we've been dealing, like, not every society gets a do-over, right?

02:30:55.000 Like, some societies are fucked from the beginning.

02:30:58.000 Yeah.

02:30:59.000 It's just a question of it playing out, right?

02:31:01.000 Like, you know, you can.

02:31:02.000 We're also the first society that's had this kind of access to information ever.

02:31:05.000 The history of the world.

02:31:06.000 Yeah, I mean, if you're, if, if you're, there are two ways to bet, right?

02:31:09.000 There's the pessimistic kind of like shit's going to go down, all that kind of thing, which, like, temperamentally, I'm probably more that way.

02:31:16.000 But you could be right.

02:31:17.000 Like, I'm not, I'm not, I don't dispute you.

02:31:19.000 Like, there's shit that we like, I mean, the fact that I have this, the fact that I have a career because this exists, right?

02:31:24.000 And the fact that I'm able to disrupt bad stuff on the internet and cause things to change, it's all awesome.

02:31:29.000 It's all good.

02:31:30.000 Like, I'm all for it.

02:31:31.000 But I think there's a, the same technology that allows us to spotlight government abuses can often, you know, in the wrong hands can be used to basically promote and do riots.

02:31:41.000 I mean, like.

02:31:42.000 Well, it's not going to be, I mean, it's not ultimately like the solution.

02:31:46.000 But I think that if you look at the course of human history, there's no denying that this is the safest time to live ever.

02:31:52.000 Yeah, it's awesome.

02:31:53.000 And it's also very difficult to deny that the United States is one of the most innovative governments, the most innovative countries ever.

02:32:01.000 It's only been around a couple hundred years.

02:32:03.000 And look at all the crazy shit that's happened here.

02:32:05.000 I mean, this is the forefront of the world when it comes to culture changes.

02:32:10.000 I mean, I feel like every day with all the new technology, everything.

02:32:14.000 I mean, I grew up with the Internet.

02:32:16.000 I remember waking up one day and fuck, there was Wikipedia.

02:32:18.000 Like, you know, like, I remember my first Google search.

02:32:22.000 Like, I grew up basically with the Internet.

02:32:24.000 My point was that Baltimore itself, as fucked as it is, as fucked as it's been, it's just these people that grow up generation after generation living in poverty.

02:32:34.000 It's only been around a couple hundred years.

02:32:37.000 This is a new situation, a completely new country, ultimately, when you look at the history of the world.

02:32:44.000 Yeah, and you look at shit like crack babies, which we thought was going to be a huge problem, turns out to not have been a big a problem.

02:32:49.000 Like, there's a lot of stuff.

02:32:49.000 Right.

02:32:50.000 There's a lot of room for optimism.

02:32:52.000 And even things like social justice warriors or people that are going after college campus scenarios where they believe that there's men that are committing rape.

02:33:01.000 Ultimately, what they're doing, even if I disagree with their methodology or disagree with their ideology that they're pushing forth in favor of objective truth, ultimately it's to try to stop crime, stop people being victimized.

02:33:17.000 It's a trend that's a good trend.

02:33:19.000 Yeah, totally.

02:33:20.000 Even if it's done in the wrong way.

02:33:21.000 I mean, look, but the road to hell was paved with good intentions, right?

02:33:24.000 Look at you, you son of a bitch.

02:33:25.000 You got me.

02:33:26.000 That's true.

02:33:27.000 It is.

02:33:28.000 Nobody says like, yo, I'm the villain.

02:33:30.000 Like, nobody ever says that.

02:33:31.000 There are a few guys, but they're pro wrestlers.

02:33:33.000 Yeah, but they do it as a branding thing. 1.00

02:33:36.000 Listen, I got to get out of here, but I really enjoyed this conversation.

02:33:39.000 I appreciate it.

02:33:40.000 And for all the people that judged you coming in, I hope they gave you a shot and let you throw your thoughts on.

02:33:45.000 I'm happy to come back anytime.

02:33:46.000 Let's do it again.

02:33:47.000 Let's do it again.

02:33:47.000 Definitely.

02:33:48.000 Thank you.

02:33:48.000 And you can get a hold of him and send all your mean shit or nice things to Chuck C. Johnson on Twitter.

02:33:55.000 And gotnews.com is your website.

02:33:58.000 And I think you're a very thoughtful person.

02:34:00.000 I really, really do.

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02:34:02.000 It's nice to meet you in real life.

02:34:03.000 Nice to meet you, too.

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The Joe Rogan Experience - April 28, 2015

Joe Rogan Experience #640 - Charles C. Johnson

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