The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #689 - Abby Martin

00:00:00.000 We are doing this show in the honor of Derek the safari guide who was killed by Cecil's cousin in Africa today. 0.99

00:00:09.000 All day my fucking Facebook has been a mess because of people angry at me, thinking that I really cared that this fucking safari guy got killed. 0.97

00:00:19.000 But Abby Martin's here to straighten everything out. 0.99

00:00:22.000 Did you cry, Cecil?

00:00:24.000 No, I didn't shed any tears.

00:00:26.000 No?

00:00:26.000 No.

00:00:27.000 I cried when Jimmy Kimmel cried.

00:00:28.000 Yeah, see, these stories are just...

00:00:31.000 I just feel like they're manufactured kind of outrage and feign outrage for people to just feel better.

00:00:35.000 I mean, yes, of course you should...

00:00:37.000 You know, love animals and love humans and have solidarity with all living things. 0.98

00:00:42.000 But it just seemed really manufactured, especially when I read interviews with people who lived there and they were like, who the fuck is Cecil the lion? 0.94

00:00:47.000 Like the way the hysteria in this country made it seem like he was like their national animal. 0.98

00:00:54.000 Like this was the lion that was like a beloved, the lion, right?

00:00:58.000 This beloved creature.

00:00:59.000 And everyone was like, why do Americans care so much about this lion?

00:01:01.000 Well, no one had heard anything about him at all until this guy killed him.

00:01:07.000 And then once we decided that there was a name to Cecil, then it became this big thing.

00:01:12.000 I had Justin Wren, who's a friend of mine who works in the Congo.

00:01:17.000 He builds water wells for these people in the Congo that don't have fresh water.

00:01:23.000 And he said the most sobering statistic yesterday.

00:01:26.000 He said 5,000 children between the age of...

00:01:29.000 Up to the age of five die every day in the Congo because they drink dirty water.

00:01:35.000 5,000 a day.

00:01:37.000 A day.

00:01:39.000 I can't even comprehend that.

00:01:40.000 It's insane.

00:01:40.000 It's impossible to wrap your head around.

00:01:44.000 But black lives don't matter. 1.00

00:01:46.000 Lions matter. 0.98

00:01:47.000 No, seriously.

00:01:48.000 I mean, someone else wrote a really poignant editorial, this African woman, and she was just like, there's so much death and destruction, basically, because of just so many things. 1.00

00:01:58.000 Globalization, especially with the raping of the Congo, the Civil War there.

00:02:01.000 And she was like, but lions matter more than black lives. 0.99

00:02:04.000 And that's the absolute truth.

00:02:06.000 I think when people can, you know, anthropomorphize this, like, creature and feel some sort of connection to it, you can do that about anything.

00:02:13.000 We do it with our dogs, but the truth is we're eating animals every day.

00:02:19.000 You know, it just seemed like picking and choosing just because it's this, like, majestic creature.

00:02:23.000 Yeah, it was also, it gives people an opportunity to be really angry and not think about their real problems.

00:02:28.000 Like, there was all these people in front of Cecil's or this guy, the dentist's office, and they were saying, they should have his head on their wall.

00:02:38.000 People, I would like to see his head on a wall. 0.94

00:02:41.000 Like, you really want, you want a person to be killed now, too? 0.99

00:02:44.000 It's not bad enough?

00:02:45.000 It actually hit me a little bit too close to home because I saw this wave of hysteria and vitriol against this guy and actual lambasting him with death threats over and over again.

00:02:57.000 People going and smearing blood on his office and stuff.

00:02:59.000 And I just was... 0.95

00:03:01.000 Really, really horrified because I was like, holy shit, this happened to me on a really like micro scale with the Chris Kyle stuff. 0.92

00:03:08.000 I was just like getting like incessantly peddled with death threats. 0.98

00:03:11.000 And that's awful.

00:03:12.000 It's wrong.

00:03:13.000 You can't do that to someone.

00:03:15.000 We're all human beings and you can't do that even if you hate someone or Think that they you know if you personally want someone to die like you can't just be like You should die because you hunted a line you should die because you wore a fuck Chris Kyle shirt I just think that apply it across the board and this kind of online bullying and like Driving people into a hole or doxing them and exposing their personal information because you disagree with something that they did It's wrong Mia Farrow dox the dentist Mia Farrow. 0.96

00:03:43.000 Yeah, she put the dentist's address online Wow. 0.57

00:03:47.000 She's very sad.

00:03:49.000 The last person that I would ever expect to do that. 1.00

00:03:51.000 Crazy bitch. 1.00

00:03:52.000 That's so interesting. 1.00

00:03:53.000 Wow. 1.00

00:03:54.000 Fuck Woody Allen. 1.00

00:03:55.000 What do you want from him? 1.00

00:03:56.000 It's not a joke.

00:03:57.000 She's mad at the world.

00:03:58.000 It's not a joke to get doxed and to get peddled with death threats.

00:04:02.000 Well, you had that Chris Kyle t-shirt. 1.00

00:04:04.000 The fuck Chris Kyle t-shirt. 0.99

00:04:05.000 Was that what did it? 1.00

00:04:07.000 Or was it being on the show that did it?

00:04:10.000 So you did warn me, just in case people haven't heard the last episode that I was on.

00:04:14.000 I talked about how Chris Kyle was a sociopath.

00:04:17.000 I talked about how he lied in his book about, you know, killing people, beating dogs or horses so bad that his hand broke.

00:04:26.000 But the thing is, he's lied about so many things like Jesse Ventura has proven that he lied about that fight and stuff.

00:04:30.000 So we can't really trust what he said in his book.

00:04:33.000 But I think it's just odd that someone would lie about killing black people in Herne, King, and Trina.

00:04:38.000 Like, why would you brag about that?

00:04:39.000 You think that you would brag about a story about, like, saving a child.

00:04:42.000 But instead, he talked about how he was actually bragging about, like, slaughtering people who were looting.

00:04:46.000 Looters, yeah. 0.97

00:04:47.000 Executing poor people who were stealing things. 1.00

00:04:49.000 Super fucking weird. 0.99

00:04:50.000 And I just want to make it very clear that I have a lot of respect for veterans and soldiers who choose to defect. 0.98

00:04:59.000 There's a lot of heroic people like Ben Griffin, Special Operations, and In the UK who basically went to Iraq and just refused to go back.

00:05:08.000 So there's a ton of amazing veterans and soldiers who I think that should be praised, especially when we're looking at something like the Iraq War, which was a complete disaster. 0.90

00:05:17.000 Countless dead, countless maimed.

00:05:19.000 Now ISIS is erupted.

00:05:21.000 So when we have these heroes that are mythologized in our society, and when we have someone like Chris Kyle, who's the pinnacle of what the hero should be from that war and rewriting the history of the Iraq War, I think it's really dangerous.

00:05:33.000 I talked about what I really felt about Chris Kyle.

00:05:37.000 People got really upset.

00:05:40.000 My friend Leo, who runs this clothing company, printed a shirt.

00:05:44.000 A one-off shirt. 0.99

00:05:45.000 Fuck Chris Kyle. 0.99

00:05:47.000 He wanted me to wear it. 1.00

00:05:49.000 I was like, yeah, fuck it. 1.00

00:05:49.000 Let's take a photo. 1.00

00:05:50.000 I posted it on my Instagram account.

00:05:52.000 My Instagram account doesn't have that many followers.

00:05:54.000 I did not know the shitstorm that would be ensuing whatsoever. 0.99

00:05:59.000 I wore the Fuck Chris Kyle shirt. 0.99

00:06:02.000 Tits out. 1.00

00:06:03.000 You know, two weeks go by and I was like, whatever.

00:06:06.000 Nothing happened.

00:06:07.000 I wake up to every... 0.99

00:06:10.000 Like, it almost started where I was like, oh shit, this is going to be a really good art project because I was getting peddled with like the craziest shit you've ever heard. 1.00

00:06:18.000 Like rape... 1.00

00:06:19.000 Like, genital mutilation so detailed that I was like, is this ISIS actually writing these comments? 1.00

00:06:23.000 Because it seems like these people actually admire ISIS because it's like the most grotesque, disturbing things about my vagina and what they wanted ISIS to do to it that I was like, holy fuck, like, you guys must have, like, some sick admiration for ISIS. Now, when you saw that, do you report those people? 0.99

00:06:39.000 So, it started... 0.99

00:06:41.000 I remember I was going to Baltimore and I just was getting it so frequently that I was like, holy fuck. 0.99

00:06:45.000 So my Instagram account, I had to make it private immediately because people had gone through and said, we're going to put our raping shoes on and find you, all this shit. 0.99

00:06:53.000 So I shut that down.

00:06:55.000 And then I went on Facebook and saw that every single art post that I had on my art page, every single public.

00:07:00.000 So I didn't want to shut it down because I was like, I don't want to Defer to these threats but at the same time it was getting so extreme that I couldn't handle like the volume of of death and rape threats because at first I was like cataloging them and I was like okay I'm taking screenshots of all these I'm gonna make this giant like like art project and I was like no fuck this this is like not this is actually getting way way too crazy and then I got doxxed by this guy This veteran who basically just wrote me and he was

00:07:31.000 like, hey, I just posted your address and all the veteran and sniper forms.

00:07:33.000 I was like, there's sniper forms?

00:07:35.000 And he was like telling people, you know, how to find you.

00:07:38.000 And then I found out that my mom got doxxed.

00:07:41.000 So my mom's personal information got exposed. 0.96

00:07:45.000 And so luckily I was already moving in a week, but I was just like, this is this is bad shit crazy. 0.85

00:07:49.000 So I tried to contact the cops for like the I think there was like 10 really graphic like I'm going to come to your house this Saturday. 0.97

00:07:56.000 Cut your clit off like let you bleed to death on the floor like just I mean things like that I was like and it was a person's public Facebook page you can see is like license plate in the photo he had like a baby You know they're just like these people out there who are just totally proud to be like completely homicidal and and rapey and really Sociopathic acting so I went to the cops and I was just like look there's like five people who I know who they are They've said that they're going to come kill me or rape me or cut my clit off and I was like is there anything that you can you can do and And they basically 0.98

00:08:26.000 just took the report and nothing ever happened. 1.00

00:08:30.000 Were you supposed to go to the FBI for that?

00:08:32.000 Dude, it was so funny.

00:08:33.000 I called the FBI and they're like, yeah.

00:08:34.000 They're like, oh, online threats?

00:08:36.000 Yeah, just go to this website and file it.

00:08:38.000 Like, there's probably so many online threats going on every day.

00:08:41.000 Yeah, at this point, right?

00:08:43.000 Can you imagine?

00:08:43.000 Oh, my God.

00:08:43.000 Especially with clit killing.

00:08:45.000 Yeah, I mean, the thing... 1.00

00:08:46.000 A lot of clit stabbers out there. 1.00

00:08:48.000 The thing that was just... 0.97

00:08:49.000 It just upset me so much because people were comparing me to Pamela Geller. 0.96

00:08:54.000 They're like, okay, Abby can wear a Fuck Chris Kyle shirt and Pamela Geller can have the Draw Muhammad contest. 1.00

00:08:59.000 I'm like, first of all, stop deifying Chris Kyle as a prophet. 0.99

00:09:04.000 That's insane. 0.98

00:09:05.000 Second of all, we're not talking about a marginalized portion of society, which is Arabs who are basically this generation's demonized I was like, we're talking about Chris Kyle, which is like the peak of the Empire, this, you know, homicidal soldier who's like glorified in war propaganda and shit. 0.98

00:09:24.000 So you can't really compare the two.

00:09:27.000 But I just think it's really important to understand the real history of the Iraq War.

00:09:32.000 And I think American Sniper really not only whitewashed it, but just doubled down on the myth.

00:09:38.000 And, you know, the establishment chooses these war heroes to perpetuate and Chris Kyle is not a hero.

00:09:44.000 I think that there are countless heroes that we would be much more appropriate to hail.

00:09:51.000 What's hard to, when you look at a story like the American Sniper story, it's hard to figure out what really happened.

00:09:57.000 Because there were definitely some fabrications.

00:10:00.000 So it's hard to figure out, okay, military people, when they retire, they do not get much money.

00:10:06.000 It's piss poor and it's quite an embarrassment.

00:10:09.000 It's an embarrassment as far as the way they're treated medically.

00:10:14.000 The UFC has worked really hard to provide money for the Intrepid Institute for traumatic brain injuries, which is a huge issue with soldiers because the medical community has made so many incredible advances that people lived that didn't live,

00:10:33.000 you know, 30, 40 years ago.

00:10:35.000 So now these guys are living with some significant brain injuries.

00:10:39.000 And while we were doing one of these fundraisers, it was hitting me.

00:10:43.000 I was like, why? 0.98

00:10:44.000 The amount of billions and billions of dollars that are spent on this war, how the fuck could they not allocate a similar amount to take care of the soldiers? 0.97

00:10:55.000 It's because the soldiers don't have a voice. 0.99

00:10:57.000 Nobody gives a fuck for them. 0.99

00:10:58.000 Nobody cares. 0.98

00:10:59.000 So when these guys retire, there's not a lot of options.

00:11:03.000 And so I was trying to figure out, okay, why would a guy like Chris Kyle...

00:11:08.000 Make up all these stories.

00:11:09.000 He was talking about shooting carjackers in Texas.

00:11:12.000 That turned out to not be true.

00:11:14.000 He said he was shooting people in Katrina that were looting.

00:11:18.000 There was all these stories that didn't hold water. 0.99

00:11:21.000 And I was trying to think, do you think maybe this guy was trying to fabricate a bunch of crazy shit and put it in his book because it would make the book more sensational and sell and this would be a way that this guy could provide for his family. 0.98

00:11:34.000 Oh, you mean like bringing it back to the human level? 0.99

00:11:36.000 I'm sure.

00:11:37.000 But I mean, I keep going back to the people who just...

00:11:40.000 It's like, yeah, I feel for soldiers who come back with traumatic brain injuries.

00:11:44.000 But I do honestly think, especially, you know, dating a veteran who was in the initial invasion of Iraq and stuff, there are people who join the military because they want to kill people.

00:11:54.000 A lot of people join the military because they have no options.

00:11:57.000 A lot of people join the military because they believed in the Iraq War.

00:12:01.000 And the war on terror, and a lot of people just want to slaughter people, and I think Chris Kyle was one of those people, unfortunately.

00:12:09.000 Do you think you become one of those people once you get out there?

00:12:13.000 I think it's exacerbated, yeah, astronomically, yeah.

00:12:16.000 Once you shoot the first few people, like, I mean, that was a part of the movies that the first person you shot was a kid.

00:12:23.000 You know, first of all, the movie wasn't good, and I was really confused by that.

00:12:28.000 Really?

00:12:28.000 You didn't think it was good?

00:12:28.000 No.

00:12:29.000 I thought it was terrible.

00:12:31.000 I thought it was a terrible movie.

00:12:32.000 It just wasn't well done.

00:12:34.000 It was like a clunky, made-for-TV movie.

00:12:37.000 That's what it felt like to me.

00:12:38.000 Did you see it?

00:12:39.000 No.

00:12:40.000 It's not a good movie.

00:12:41.000 And Ari Shaffir was talking about how bad it was.

00:12:44.000 And I thought when Ari was saying that, that he was just being hypercritical.

00:12:49.000 Because Ari hates a lot of things that I like. 0.99

00:12:51.000 But I watched it, and I was like, this is not a good movie.

00:12:56.000 It's just not a good movie.

00:12:57.000 And, you know, Bradley Cooper's a really good actor, but it was wooden, I felt like.

00:13:03.000 I felt like it was just...

00:13:04.000 It didn't have a life to it.

00:13:06.000 But he had the ghost of Chris Kyle in him.

00:13:08.000 That's what he said in interviews.

00:13:10.000 Did he really say that?

00:13:10.000 He just felt like it was just...

00:13:11.000 Oh, man.

00:13:12.000 Did he really say that?

00:13:12.000 Yeah.

00:13:13.000 That's when I was like, oh, Bradley Cooper's a douchebag. 1.00

00:13:16.000 He's fucking going for it. 1.00

00:13:16.000 He's going for... 1.00

00:13:17.000 All in.

00:13:18.000 All in.

00:13:18.000 Going for Hollywood superstardom.

00:13:20.000 He wants to be the guy.

00:13:21.000 Shoot right to the top.

00:13:23.000 The thing that...

00:13:24.000 It's not a good movie.

00:13:25.000 Yeah, and aside from just the movie being mad, I think it's just unfortunate to kind of personalize this character so much when, you know, ignoring...

00:13:33.000 Basically, people came out of the movie saying Iraqis are savages, and it was all, like, justified. 1.00

00:13:37.000 Because they're looking through the eyes of someone like Chris Kyle, when really, I mean, look at Iraq today.

00:13:43.000 Millions of refugees.

00:13:44.000 I mean, as I just said, the country is just completely destroyed.

00:13:47.000 And it's like, what about those people?

00:13:48.000 So it's important.

00:13:49.000 Yeah, we can humanize Chris Kyle.

00:13:51.000 And of course, we can humanize every soldier that's coming back because they were sold false pretenses to go to war.

00:13:56.000 But I just have to feel more for the for the people who are just the occupants of the country and they just were casualties of this mess.

00:14:04.000 Well, I think we should feel for all humans equally, especially people that we don't know and the idea that they're not as valuable because they live over there.

00:14:13.000 If there was something that happened over here where there was a foreign invasion that caused a million casualties from innocent civilians, we would be up in arms and horrified.

00:14:22.000 And I don't know what the real numbers are for the Iraq invasion because it's hard to figure it out.

00:14:29.000 There's a bunch of different argued numbers.

00:14:32.000 Let's say it's the lowball number, which is more than 100,000 innocent civilians.

00:14:38.000 That's horrific.

00:14:40.000 It's horrific to think that that's the lowball number, and the highball number is somewhere around, I think, 2 million.

00:14:46.000 You're going to have Sam Harris come on right after this and...

00:14:49.000 Sam is big on the lowball numbers. 0.86

00:14:51.000 Well, here's the problem, and this is all I'm going to say about Sam, because I know that you offered the debate, and I really appreciate that, and I really, really appreciate you offering that, because I know that we've been going back and forth on Twitter and shit.

00:15:02.000 What have you gone back and forth with him?

00:15:04.000 Oh, like, he actually wrote... 0.97

00:15:06.000 Or he, you know, just the fire hose of bullshit saying that all I was saying was like hyperbolic, sensational figures and stuff. 0.74

00:15:13.000 And the problem that I have with Sam Harris and debating him is that I don't feel like I should or need to debate a neuroscience about foreign policy. 0.96

00:15:22.000 I'm interested in what he has to say about neuroscience and interesting things about what he's studied, but as far as someone arguing with me about US foreign policy and empire, who's a neuroscientist, I don't see any reason that I would get out of that, especially someone who talks about mass casualties with zero empathy.

00:15:40.000 Well, I don't necessarily think he's talking about it with zero empathy.

00:15:43.000 I think what he's trying to do is...

00:15:44.000 Like a stone-cold killer.

00:15:46.000 Well, he's trying to be objective about the numbers and not interject emotions with it.

00:15:51.000 Totally.

00:15:52.000 But don't you think that he would say, why would I talk to someone who's a reporter about foreign policy?

00:15:58.000 No.

00:15:58.000 Journalists, I think, are much more credible than just like scientists who are just jumping in the mix, new atheism movement, and just being like, let's have a giant debate all about Islam.

00:16:08.000 I just don't get it.

00:16:09.000 But I mean, the information is kind of available to anybody in this day and age, right?

00:16:15.000 What he is, maybe he has a degree in neuroscience and he is a neuroscientist, but really he's an author.

00:16:22.000 He researches things and he talks about things and agree with him or disagree with him in the way he presents the numbers and the way he's presenting this argument.

00:16:31.000 I think...

00:16:34.000 There's a lot of debate as far as how many people died over there.

00:16:37.000 Here's the problem with him.

00:16:40.000 He nitpicked all my numbers saying that they were huge, but all he did was basically cite official casualty count numbers from the Pentagon. 0.96

00:16:50.000 It's like, do you think that's the fucking accurate number? 0.96

00:16:51.000 That's way worse. 0.98

00:16:52.000 Going to the lowest ball number of casualties and saying this is...

00:16:56.000 Well, I think he cited some other people as well.

00:16:58.000 And the high number that he was citing, I think, was around 200,000, right?

00:17:02.000 I don't remember.

00:17:04.000 I'm not good at recalling numbers.

00:17:06.000 Yeah, I just think it's funny that that's what he hammered in on, is me basically blowing up the numbers when he basically went to the most extreme, small calculations that have been determined by military personnel.

00:17:18.000 When basically, the General Dempsey said, we don't do body counts.

00:17:22.000 That's what he said during the Iraq War.

00:17:23.000 We don't do body counts.

00:17:25.000 So, yeah, it is really hard to tell how many people died, but the International Business Times did a study in 2006 that said a million were dead at that point.

00:17:33.000 So, yeah, it is hard.

00:17:35.000 And they include, but they include Shia and Sunni infighting as well, right?

00:17:40.000 Which is, a lot of it was caused by the Iraq War, which really triggered a huge amount of Civil unrest because there was a power struggle going on between the Sunni and the Shia, which was more under control when Saddam Hussein was in control of Iraq.

00:17:56.000 That is calculated in that casualty figure that's talked about when it comes to the Iraq war.

00:18:02.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:18:02.000 Basically, yeah.

00:18:03.000 And a direct result of like this.

00:18:04.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:18:05.000 A direct result of the war.

00:18:06.000 And that's what brings it really high.

00:18:07.000 It's really bad.

00:18:08.000 And I think that's one of the things that he argues against, that you can't attribute that to the United States military invasion, because it's sort of a side effect of the military invasion, the civil war that's going on there.

00:18:19.000 Even though Cheney back in 1996 said, this is exactly what's going to happen if we invade Iraq.

00:18:25.000 Pieces of Iraq are going to fly off. 1.00

00:18:26.000 Saddam, we can never out him at this point because this is exactly what's going to happen.

00:18:30.000 So it's like, yeah, you can say that was just a...

00:18:33.000 The happenstance but the truth is everyone knew what was gonna happen so you know Well, I think that's what he's just saying that it's difficult to attribute that number to what the United States is responsible for because it's really civil war Based on a complete destabilization and destruction of an entire entire population an entire population that was run by an evil dictator and his homicidal sociopathic sons and And? 0.70

00:19:00.000 Yeah, I mean, it was all gross before that, too.

00:19:03.000 I mean, more people are dead now, but it was gross then, it's gross now.

00:19:07.000 The whole part of the world is terrifying. 0.99

00:19:11.000 You know, the thing about ISIS, did you see that shit where they blew up some ancient structures a couple days ago? 0.99

00:19:17.000 They blew up some ancient monuments. 1.00

00:19:20.000 Pull that up, because this is fucking terrifying. 0.98

00:19:23.000 They beheaded some guy who's the head of antiquities in Syria. 0.97

00:19:28.000 Apparently, this beloved guy who just was unwilling to bow to their demands, they behead this guy, and then they blew up some ancient monuments, some really well-preserved ancient structures that were,

00:19:43.000 you know, archaeological treasures. 0.99

00:19:45.000 They're blowing these fucking things up. 0.99

00:19:47.000 Look at the Taliban blew up all those, like, Buddhist... 1.00

00:19:49.000 Look at this. 1.00

00:19:50.000 Fucking... 1.00

00:19:51.000 Unbelievable. 1.00

00:19:52.000 They released the first images showing the destruction of the temple in Balsamene. 1.00

00:19:58.000 Fuck. 0.99

00:19:59.000 I don't know if I said that right. 1.00

00:20:00.000 It's just insane how rich ISIS is. 1.00

00:20:03.000 Like, they've just stolen so much equipment and money.

00:20:07.000 The whole ISIS thing is so disturbing because it's like a self-fulfilling prophecy. 0.97

00:20:14.000 Everyone's wanted this group of crazy Islamists that we can look at and be like, look, this is why we need this never-ending war. 1.00

00:20:22.000 And then ISIS just comes out of the shadows of destabilizing an entire region of the earth. 0.95

00:20:28.000 And this is what happens.

00:20:29.000 This is the manifestation of...

00:20:32.000 Well, this is what the tinfoil hat people have always been saying, the United States engineers.

00:20:37.000 The United States will prop up a country, prop up a military, and then go in and invade them. 0.73

00:20:42.000 Well, we've got to invade them.

00:20:43.000 They're dangerous.

00:20:44.000 Well, they're dangerous because we made them dangerous.

00:20:46.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:20:46.000 This is the conspiracy theory, because you remember when Obama was on TV saying that we had to invade Syria?

00:20:54.000 Yes, only two years ago he was ready to bomb Assad. 0.99

00:20:57.000 And we were all like, what the fuck? 1.00

00:20:59.000 And the United States pretty much universally was like, fuck you. 1.00

00:21:02.000 We're not going to another place. 1.00

00:21:04.000 We're not going to start another war that we can't win.

00:21:06.000 And then the United States backed off.

00:21:08.000 They just let it go.

00:21:09.000 But then, coincidentally, the rise of ISIS. Like right when that happened.

00:21:14.000 I mean, fuck, man. 1.00

00:21:15.000 If you wanted to make a conspiracy theory, there's no better one than the ISIS one. 1.00

00:21:19.000 It's right in front of everybody's face. 0.97

00:21:21.000 It's adorable in how ridiculous it is. 0.81

00:21:24.000 And I'm not saying that it's a conspiracy theory. 0.94

00:21:26.000 I believe ISIS is real. 0.71

00:21:27.000 But it's amazing how quick it filled the void left by our hysteria to go into Syria.

00:21:36.000 There's a gas bombing and they're using poisonous gas.

00:21:40.000 That was the thing, right?

00:21:41.000 Poisonous gas.

00:21:42.000 There's rules how you're supposed to kill people.

00:21:45.000 Also, why is WMD the pretense that we should just go in and invade a country?

00:21:49.000 It's like, The Iraq war is so funny because people are like, we didn't find WMDs.

00:21:52.000 They lied.

00:21:52.000 It's like, if we did find WMDs, would it have been justified then?

00:21:55.000 Just because Assad has chemical weapons. 0.99

00:21:57.000 Is that justified to go and fucking invade the country? 0.99

00:22:00.000 It's so weird. 0.98

00:22:01.000 There was a crazy hysteria, though, post 9-11 that was just undeniable.

00:22:04.000 There was a bloodlust in America.

00:22:06.000 They couldn't be ignored, and then they just pointed it at something.

00:22:10.000 Said, Iraq! 0.99

00:22:11.000 And we were over there before anybody was like, wait, wait, wait, what the fuck? 0.99

00:22:15.000 Iraq? 0.99

00:22:15.000 It didn't make any sense. 0.99

00:22:17.000 That had nothing to do with it. 0.99

00:22:18.000 Meanwhile, Saudi Arabia, which is where all the fucking hijackers came from, we were like, oil money, we like those guys. 0.99

00:22:28.000 No, no, no. 1.00

00:22:28.000 Iraq, though, that guy's an asshole. 1.00

00:22:30.000 Look, his son's a piece of shit, and they've got oil. 1.00

00:22:33.000 Let's get over there! 1.00

00:22:34.000 Let's go!

00:22:35.000 And then we were over there.

00:22:36.000 Yeah, now we're in Syria with ISIS. And Obama just issued this statement saying, like, we can now attack Assad forces while battling ISIS if we need to.

00:22:44.000 So it's just another proxy war that's gotten completely out of hand.

00:22:48.000 And now we have, like, look at these people that were, like, training, too.

00:22:52.000 These FSA people and, like... 0.99

00:22:54.000 I mean, they're beheading people and shit too. 0.99

00:22:56.000 They're acting like ISIS. I mean, it's insane. 1.00

00:22:59.000 The FSA people?

00:23:00.000 Basically training all these Syrian revolutionaries, all these people in these rebel groups, and then they go over, they either abandon post after we spend a shitload of money training them to fight ISIS, or they join ISIS. It's a complete disaster.

00:23:17.000 Well, it's hard to get Muslims to fight against Muslims, you know, when their core values and their core beliefs and religion are so much a part of their life.

00:23:26.000 And then they have these people that are telling them that you're supposed to fight these people that have these same core values that celebrate Ramadan, that believe in halal.

00:23:35.000 They have the same ideas that these people have.

00:23:39.000 It's like, it's way easier to stick with them. 1.00

00:23:42.000 And some guy direct, some asshole directing you, McCain. 1.00

00:23:44.000 From America. 1.00

00:23:47.000 America? 0.85

00:23:47.000 The great Satan? 0.85

00:23:49.000 Those cunts? 1.00

00:23:50.000 You know, those fucking people that have killed a million people in Iraq? 1.00

00:23:52.000 Or whatever the number is? 1.00

00:23:54.000 Sam Harris?

00:23:55.000 You know, it's amazing.

00:23:58.000 It's just an amazing quagmire that we're in right now.

00:24:01.000 It's so interesting, though, when you look at every civil war that's happened in the last 10 years, like Libya, and then you have Ukraine going on, Syria.

00:24:08.000 McCain!

00:24:09.000 It's just always there.

00:24:11.000 Playing poker. 1.00

00:24:11.000 Holding up the hands of the people like in the fucking world. 1.00

00:24:14.000 You're like, what are you doing? 0.99

00:24:16.000 Who is paying you to be here?

00:24:17.000 It's bizarre.

00:24:18.000 My favorite time when they were voting on whether or not we should go into Syria and he was playing poker.

00:24:23.000 Yeah, on his phone.

00:24:24.000 Do you remember that?

00:24:25.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:24:25.000 He was just like kicking it on his phone.

00:24:26.000 How hilarious is that?

00:24:28.000 Could you imagine? 0.97

00:24:29.000 You're about to, you're a part of a military decision that who knows how many fucking people it's gonna kill, whether or not it's gonna trigger World War III, whether it's gonna trigger a new nuclear war, and he's playing poker on his phone. 0.99

00:24:42.000 He doesn't give a fuck. 1.00

00:24:43.000 He doesn't give a fuck. 1.00

00:24:45.000 Ice water running through his veins. 1.00

00:24:46.000 Just hanging out, just kicking it.

00:24:48.000 Yeah.

00:24:48.000 Look at that.

00:24:49.000 Hee hee hee hee hee.

00:24:54.000 Oh, it's so adorable that he would do that, that he wouldn't think that people would know.

00:25:00.000 Holding on to a Sharpie, playing poker on his phone. 1.00

00:25:02.000 He's such a piece of shit. 1.00

00:25:04.000 He actually tweeted, like someone from his campaign, which is so hilarious, like tweeted at me saying, Thank you, Vladimir Putin. 1.00

00:25:13.000 I see that you're, like, paying attention to what I'm doing.

00:25:15.000 And he, like, basically called me...

00:25:17.000 It was, like, a report that I did. 1.00

00:25:18.000 And I was like, thank you, John McCain, you senile motherfucker. 1.00

00:25:21.000 You just, like, tweeted out a scathing report about your war crimes to, like, all of your stupid followers on Twitter. 1.00

00:25:27.000 Some idiot running your campaign, like, tweeted out this video that just exposed the fuck out of him. 1.00

00:25:31.000 It was great. 1.00

00:25:31.000 That's hilarious. 1.00

00:25:32.000 So you tweeted something and he responded to it? 1.00

00:25:35.000 I did a giant video just breaking down what, like, a scumbag he is. 0.99

00:25:39.000 And he tweeted it out. 0.99

00:25:41.000 Oh, so you didn't even tweet it.

00:25:43.000 He just tweeted your video out.

00:25:45.000 Wow.

00:25:46.000 Yeah, it was great.

00:25:47.000 Well, that's called damage control, Abimar.

00:25:49.000 You don't understand.

00:25:50.000 You've got to ridicule the information.

00:25:53.000 It's Vladimir Putin.

00:25:55.000 Vladimir continues his attacks against me.

00:25:57.000 That's what he said.

00:25:58.000 I'm honored.

00:25:59.000 That's hilarious.

00:26:00.000 Vladimir running RT. Vladimir running my show, apparently.

00:26:03.000 Did you ever meet that dude?

00:26:04.000 You never met him, did you?

00:26:05.000 No, dude.

00:26:05.000 What'd you feel like?

00:26:06.000 That would be a trip. 1.00

00:26:07.000 Like the fucking Dark Lord. 1.00

00:26:08.000 Because it's just fucking KGB, motherfucker, you know? 1.00

00:26:14.000 It's so funny watching him. 1.00

00:26:16.000 Every time he does a sit-down, he always just says the weirdest shit. 1.00

00:26:19.000 He's just on another level. 0.99

00:26:21.000 Like Obama tried to crack a joke with him.

00:26:23.000 They were sitting at some press conference and it's him and Obama sitting there and he just like looks at Obama and he's like, you're trying to make this funny right now and it's not or something like just like completely Obama's like sitting there nervously laughing.

00:26:35.000 He was just like stop doing this be serious.

00:26:37.000 You're like, okay He's killed a lot more people personally than Obama.

00:26:43.000 I'm sure how many people do you think that guy's killed? 0.99

00:26:46.000 Obama's killed a shitloader. 0.99

00:26:47.000 Are you kidding? 1.00

00:26:47.000 Obama? 1.00

00:26:48.000 But not with his own hands.

00:26:49.000 He hasn't been pulling triggers.

00:26:50.000 Oh, yeah, to KGB, yeah.

00:26:52.000 Knife on anybody. 1.00

00:26:53.000 Who the fuck knows how crazy that shit is? 1.00

00:26:56.000 How many has he done himself? 1.00

00:26:57.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:26:57.000 How many has he personally killed?

00:26:58.000 Yeah, definitely.

00:26:59.000 Couple.

00:27:00.000 Probably.

00:27:01.000 KGB. Obama was no CIA goon, that's for sure.

00:27:06.000 Yeah, I mean, like, at least George Bush's dad, Herbert Walker Bush, was the head of the CIA. That was a real killer, right?

00:27:14.000 Yeah, he was a real stone-cold motherfucker. 1.00

00:27:17.000 Look at that. 1.00

00:27:17.000 Putin, that's a fucking guy. 1.00

00:27:19.000 He's winking with the wrong eye, too. 1.00

00:27:20.000 I don't trust that.

00:27:21.000 Dominant left eye? 1.00

00:27:22.000 What kind of creepy shit is that? 1.00

00:27:23.000 Holding the gun with the right hand, squeezing the trigger. 1.00

00:27:25.000 I like the photo of the glasses.

00:27:27.000 It always shows those reflecting eyes.

00:27:32.000 Well, you remember when that guy who's the guy that got murdered in broad daylight with his girlfriend that was Nobody remembers that's that's what happens when you kill Putin people just forget your name and it just Water under the bridge just vanish. 0.99

00:27:47.000 That's a fucking crazy country right now Roy Jones Jr. is going to be a citizen. 0.98

00:27:54.000 Roy Jones Jr. is going to be a citizen in Russia. 1.00

00:27:57.000 Apparently, this is what he said, which is fucking hilarious. 0.88

00:28:00.000 He goes, the people of Russia love Roy Jones Jr. I love it when people love me. 0.97

00:28:07.000 It's like the dude who went to North Korea.

00:28:09.000 Wait, who was that basketball player?

00:28:10.000 Dennis Rodman.

00:28:11.000 He was just like, what up?

00:28:12.000 I loved here.

00:28:13.000 They like me.

00:28:13.000 He's like, they love basketball.

00:28:15.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:28:16.000 What the fuck are you? 1.00

00:28:17.000 Well, I guess Roy Jones has a career over there. 1.00

00:28:20.000 He's boxed over there a few times, and they like his music.

00:28:24.000 He plays music over there, and apparently they enjoy that music.

00:28:27.000 Yeah.

00:28:28.000 Well, that's good.

00:28:29.000 Roy Jones Jr. is going to get citizenship.

00:28:31.000 They're going to give him citizenship.

00:28:32.000 Good for him.

00:28:33.000 Edward Snowden, you get a year visa.

00:28:35.000 Right.

00:28:35.000 You get a visa for a year.

00:28:36.000 I wonder what the fuck's going to happen, Edward Snowden. 1.00

00:28:38.000 He's probably sucking some KGB dick right now just to keep his visa going. 1.00

00:28:43.000 Imagine the shit they make that guy do just to stay there. 1.00

00:28:45.000 I'm sure nothing, dude. 1.00

00:28:46.000 They'd probably just love that he's there, don't you think?

00:28:48.000 Just a thorn in the side?

00:28:50.000 Maybe, but he can't go anywhere.

00:28:52.000 I mean, it's not like he can't go anywhere.

00:28:55.000 No.

00:28:55.000 He probably has to hide while he's even in Russia, just for fear of American agents just taking him out.

00:29:02.000 Totally.

00:29:03.000 More honeypots. 1.00

00:29:05.000 What a fucking crazy life. 1.00

00:29:06.000 And what's even crazier about it, there's not a goddamn person I've talked to that thinks he did anything wrong. 1.00

00:29:12.000 Like what he did was expose a crime. 0.96

00:29:14.000 He was so careful, too.

00:29:15.000 He was just like, you know, let all the journalists vet everything.

00:29:18.000 He was just like, please make sure that there's no...

00:29:20.000 Didn't matter.

00:29:21.000 No one's being jeopardized.

00:29:22.000 Not only that, you remember the Hope and Change website?

00:29:25.000 The Hope and Change website that Obama had when he was running for president had a whole piece in there about supporting whistleblowers.

00:29:30.000 And transparency.

00:29:32.000 Transparency and supporting whistleblowers.

00:29:34.000 When he's persecuted more than any other president under the Espionage Act.

00:29:37.000 What happens when you get in there? 0.99

00:29:39.000 Do they just show you fucking UFOs landing on the North Pole? 0.99

00:29:42.000 What do they show you? 1.00

00:29:43.000 They show you where all the bombs are being planted by...

00:29:46.000 I think that you're so...

00:29:47.000 Someone who was as young and impressionable as Obama at that time...

00:29:51.000 I think he was vetted really early when he was at Harvard. 0.99

00:29:53.000 And I think that he just was so fucking young. 0.98

00:29:56.000 I mean, what? 0.98

00:29:57.000 He was barely even a senator for a term, right?

00:29:59.000 Mm-hmm.

00:29:59.000 And he just gets plucked out of obscurity and catapulted to the presidency.

00:30:06.000 And then he's just surrounded by a bunch of fucking... 0.99

00:30:10.000 I'm not excusing him at all. 1.00

00:30:11.000 I think he's a war criminal and I really strongly dislike Obama. 0.86

00:30:14.000 I think he's like a great manipulator. 0.54

00:30:16.000 You're a bit of a lefty there, Abby Martin.

00:30:19.000 But I definitely think that, God, can you imagine who was just surrounding him at all times? 0.61

00:30:23.000 Like he had Hillary Clinton barking in his ear, McCain, like these crazy neocons who are just like, we need more war. 1.00

00:30:29.000 And I think that you saw all the neocon establishment really promoting Obama until the Syria thing happened where we backed down.

00:30:35.000 And that's where you kind of saw this like ridiculous schism where now Netanyahu is coming to visit and it's like this crazy where Obama is like weak now.

00:30:44.000 So that's been an interesting...

00:30:45.000 Obama's weak now?

00:30:45.000 Or they basically were like, they were pissed off about the Syria thing.

00:30:48.000 Really?

00:30:49.000 Yeah.

00:30:49.000 Well, they were like, look, we're about to have a civil war in America.

00:30:52.000 Yeah.

00:30:52.000 This would get ugly.

00:30:53.000 If they invaded Syria, who the fuck knows what would have happened? 0.99

00:30:57.000 It would have gotten really ugly in this country. 0.99

00:30:59.000 It's the most...

00:31:00.000 Whoever would be the most dominant militant force on the ground would rise to power, just like... 0.99

00:31:04.000 I mean, look at Libya, for fuck's sake. 0.99

00:31:06.000 Mm-hmm. 1.00

00:31:06.000 Yeah, Libya is a disaster. 1.00

00:31:09.000 When there's a vacuum.

00:31:09.000 Total disaster, near failed state.

00:31:10.000 It's a disaster now.

00:31:11.000 It's a terrifying place now, apparently.

00:31:13.000 So it's like, yeah, no one's...

00:31:14.000 I don't think anyone's really defending Assad, but it's about people's sovereignty.

00:31:18.000 But isn't that amazing that a guy like...

00:31:20.000 You look at these dictators and you say, well, no one wants Gaddafi to stay in power.

00:31:26.000 Obviously, it's bad to have Gaddafi there.

00:31:29.000 And when Gaddafi got killed, first of all, it was one of the most... 0.96

00:31:32.000 Bizarre and strange moments in social media and in the power of cell phone videos and the ability to distribute information.

00:31:43.000 The fact that they had video of this guy. 0.81

00:31:46.000 Getting raped by a bayonet.

00:31:47.000 Yeah, and the moments he's dying, like the moments they captured him, and they're all screaming, and you're seeing something that no one has ever seen before. 0.83

00:31:59.000 No one's ever seen a dictator captured by rebels.

00:32:03.000 It's happened. 1.00

00:32:04.000 Yeah, never on a fucking cell phone. 0.99

00:32:06.000 It's never been documented and then distributed to everybody. 0.99

00:32:08.000 I mean, we could all watch it.

00:32:09.000 We could watch it right now. 1.00

00:32:10.000 Jamie could pull it up right now, and we could kick back from the comfort of this Woodland Hills office suite and watch this fucking guy get bayoneted in his asshole. 1.00

00:32:19.000 Yeah, and it's horrifying. 1.00

00:32:23.000 You know, this disaster porn that's put out there by like JSOC in this video.

00:32:27.000 And yeah, I know the US didn't film the video, but it was showed everywhere. 0.99

00:32:32.000 And we also released photos of Saddam's sons with all the bullet holes in them on TV and shit. 0.98

00:32:39.000 And we're like, look, like, look what we did. 1.00

00:32:40.000 That's fucking sick, man. 0.99

00:32:42.000 And, you know, we can see ISIS videos all day long of these crazy Hollywood style sets where people are getting beheaded and it's like in Gitmo jumpsuits and it's like this crazy fucking manifestation of like Hollywood culture and the military industrial complex rolled into one. 1.00

00:32:56.000 But at the same time, you have our military uploading every drone strike on a fucking YouTube channel. 0.98

00:33:01.000 What are they? 0.99

00:33:02.000 What the?

00:33:03.000 Including ones that kill civilians.

00:33:05.000 Oh, absolutely.

00:33:06.000 It's like, just in case you're wondering what we're doing, you can watch our YouTube channel and see all the people we're killing.

00:33:11.000 It's really weird.

00:33:12.000 Well, it's horrific that when you watch the decision making, should we shoot? 0.95

00:33:16.000 Should we shoot? 1.00

00:33:17.000 Let's just shoot. 1.00

00:33:17.000 Like, whoa, it's that, like that. 1.00

00:33:19.000 You're like trying to figure it out on the fly.

00:33:21.000 And then you realize this is what precision drone strikes are all about.

00:33:25.000 There's nothing precise about it.

00:33:26.000 This is not surgical.

00:33:27.000 It's like you have a bad person that may or may not be in this area.

00:33:32.000 You have good information that the bad person's in this area.

00:33:35.000 Let the missiles fly. 0.99

00:33:36.000 And they fly and then everybody who's anywhere near that guy gets fucked up too. 0.99

00:33:39.000 And we're just supposed to accept that because that's just a bad person. 0.99

00:33:43.000 We need to get them out.

00:33:44.000 We need to take out the bad person.

00:33:46.000 If other bad people...

00:33:46.000 Aren't we a bad person if we're killing innocent people?

00:33:49.000 It's just the most ridiculous cycle of shit. 0.99

00:33:52.000 I mean, it's good to want to protect us against bad people, but that way is bad. 1.00

00:33:59.000 Like, that's a bad way.

00:34:00.000 Are you saying you have a better way?

00:34:01.000 No.

00:34:02.000 I don't have a better way.

00:34:03.000 I don't have a better way.

00:34:04.000 All I know is that ISIS has gotten a shitload of US military equipment and billions of dollars.

00:34:08.000 So maybe we should stop just a bit like, you know, all of the stuff that we've tried to train the Iraqi army, like it isn't working because they're abandoning posts and like ISIS is just taking large swaths of like equipment and Humvees and grenade launchers and shit.

00:34:23.000 So, I mean, when I look at stuff like that happening, it's just like we just need to remove ourselves from the situation and let like allied states that are in the area really take hold of Of what's going on.

00:34:33.000 Is that the way to do it?

00:34:34.000 I mean, is there justifiable war in your eyes?

00:34:38.000 No.

00:34:38.000 Oh, you mean just in general?

00:34:40.000 If you look at what's going on with ISIS right now, I mean, when they're decapitating the Syrian head of antiquities and blowing up these ancient, cherished monuments, is there justifiable war?

00:34:49.000 Are these bad guys?

00:34:51.000 Can you go in there and stop these bad guys?

00:34:53.000 I don't think there is a justifiable war.

00:34:54.000 Well, war with ISIS because ISIS was created out of the vacuum of just a large war and countless casualties and refugees and the civil war thing that happened there.

00:35:05.000 So I think that ISIS is a direct result of US military intervention.

00:35:09.000 So I think that more US military intervention to stop ISIS is just going to exacerbate the problem.

00:35:13.000 And I definitely do not think that that should be an option whatsoever.

00:35:19.000 Right, but what do you do?

00:35:20.000 Do you let them take over and just start killing more people? 0.96

00:35:23.000 See, this is the trick. 0.97

00:35:24.000 This is the trick.

00:35:25.000 It's always going to be something.

00:35:26.000 First it was al-Qaeda, now it's like ISIS is pulling at people's heartstrings so much because they're seeing these crazy images and it's like, how can we just sit back and do nothing?

00:35:35.000 The thing is, there's genocides happening in the Congo.

00:35:38.000 Are we going to go invade and take out... 0.79

00:35:41.000 I mean, it's just like, why are we picking and choosing what we're putting in front of the TV screens and brainwashing everyone and saying, what are you going to do about ISIS? First it was fucking Ebola. 0.99

00:35:51.000 What happened to Ebola? 1.00

00:35:53.000 That was all over the fucking TV for a year. 1.00

00:35:56.000 I think we cured it. 0.99

00:35:57.000 American ingenuity. 0.98

00:35:58.000 There's so much going on, I just think, to hone in on ISIS and just say, like, we all need to focus on destroying ISIS militarily is just a farce, because A, it came out of military intervention, and B, we're not going to fucking destroy ISIS. It's just going to galvanize more people to join ISIS. That's why their recruiting is so high across the world. 0.86

00:36:17.000 People are just like, fuck this. 0.99

00:36:18.000 I mean... 1.00

00:36:19.000 They're being drawn to ISIS because of the endless warfare going on.

00:36:23.000 So I just think, I don't have the answers.

00:36:26.000 I do think that regional players need to take a step in. 0.94

00:36:30.000 That means Syria, that means Iraq, people in the region that understand the region and are not coming from this neocolonial lens and just like, all we have is military solutions because that's all we fucking know! 0.99

00:36:42.000 Because we're the fucking empire! 0.99

00:36:44.000 That's right. 1.00

00:36:45.000 Chris Kyle, rest in peace.

00:36:50.000 I don't think that there's any clear solution, and I think that's a real part of the problem.

00:36:56.000 I think that everybody who looks at ISIS decapitating this Syria head of antiquities and blowing up monuments and lighting people on fire with slow motion.

00:37:05.000 I mean, did you see that video that they did where they have slow motion video cameras, like complicated techniques, where they're showing these people getting It lit on fire.

00:37:15.000 I mean, what they're doing is promoting terror.

00:37:18.000 They're trying to scare people, and they're doing it with these videos.

00:37:21.000 The videos of decapitations and assassinations.

00:37:23.000 And why do we keep seeing the videos?

00:37:23.000 Isn't it weird that the news just keeps...

00:37:24.000 Put them on YouTube.

00:37:25.000 But I mean, the news keeps playing them.

00:37:27.000 If it bleeds, it leads.

00:37:29.000 You used to be on the news, girl.

00:37:30.000 You know how it is.

00:37:31.000 I'm starting a new show.

00:37:32.000 What are you doing?

00:37:33.000 The Empire Files.

00:37:34.000 Starting in...

00:37:35.000 The Empire Files.

00:37:36.000 ...a week and a half, launching. 1.00

00:37:37.000 It's like some fucking counterculture type shit. 1.00

00:37:39.000 Oh, yeah, man. 1.00

00:37:39.000 What are you trying to do with this Empire Files? 1.00

00:37:41.000 Trying to fucking dissect the Empire. 0.97

00:37:43.000 The Empire. 0.99

00:37:43.000 Trying to strip away the layers of the Empire. 0.99

00:37:45.000 How did we get here?

00:37:47.000 Where do we go from here?

00:37:48.000 How do we...

00:37:49.000 Where do we go from here?

00:37:50.000 Mushrooms?

00:37:51.000 Aliens?

00:37:52.000 Something.

00:37:53.000 So it's funny because I'm jumping from Russia state television to Latin American owned TV. Who owns this one?

00:38:00.000 Hugo Chavez from the grave.

00:38:03.000 51% Venezuela and then you have a 49% block of like Argentina and Cuba and Costa Rica and Nicaragua and stuff.

00:38:12.000 So it's like a 49% owned.

00:38:13.000 So it's a giant Latin American block that has Telesor, which is the network.

00:38:19.000 And Chris Hedges just launched a show on it and now I'm launching one called The Empire Files and it's gonna be really great.

00:38:25.000 Everyone check it out.

00:38:25.000 We have all the social media up ready to go.

00:38:28.000 So what's the name of the network?

00:38:30.000 Telesaur.

00:38:31.000 Telesaur?

00:38:32.000 S-O-R? S-U-R. S-U-R? And how do you get it? 0.53

00:38:37.000 Do you get it online or do you get it on...

00:38:39.000 Unfortunately, unlike RT, it's not in as many households on TV and cable.

00:38:43.000 So you can just watch it on YouTube or if you're in Latin America, you can watch on Telesaur.

00:38:47.000 So they upload everything to YouTube?

00:38:49.000 Yeah.

00:38:49.000 Well, that's beautiful.

00:38:50.000 That's all you need.

00:38:51.000 Exactly.

00:38:51.000 So you just basically use them for a studio.

00:38:54.000 Using their resources to help get the information out about the crazy empire we're living in. 0.99

00:38:59.000 So, like, what kind of shit are you going to do? 0.99

00:39:01.000 Like investigative reporting type shit? 1.00

00:39:03.000 You're going to fly over to these horrible places? 0.99

00:39:05.000 So, yes, investigative reporting weekly.

00:39:06.000 Crimea?

00:39:07.000 They're going to finally get you in Crimea?

00:39:09.000 Ship me there.

00:39:10.000 Boots on the ground.

00:39:11.000 She needs to be on the ground in Crimea. 0.97

00:39:15.000 For people who don't know.

00:39:16.000 See firsthand.

00:39:17.000 There was a report when Abby was working for RT, which is Russia Today.

00:39:21.000 She did this very critical piece on Crimea and what was going on over there in the Ukraine.

00:39:28.000 And they were going to send her, or they said they were going to send her to Crimea. 1.00

00:39:32.000 And she was like, the fuck you are. 1.00

00:39:35.000 I live in America, bitch. 1.00

00:39:37.000 I ain't going over there. 1.00

00:39:38.000 Yeah, just send all vetted Russians and shit, like, go over and you're just like, here's, you know what I mean? 0.91

00:39:43.000 I could just imagine how it would be. 0.90

00:39:45.000 It would just be like when, did you ever see when Shane Smith went to North Korea and they had, like, fake restaurants set up for them?

00:39:50.000 Exactly.

00:39:50.000 Yeah, they would just set it up for you.

00:39:52.000 I wanted to talk about the anniversary of the atomic bombs.

00:39:56.000 Okay, sure.

00:39:58.000 What do you think about that?

00:40:00.000 Well, I think it's a fascinating moment in history.

00:40:03.000 I mean, an amazing moment.

00:40:04.000 What amazes me more than anything is that we haven't blown up an atomic bomb since 1947. That's the most amazing thing.

00:40:11.000 Somehow or another, we have had the brains to go, like, what is that, 60, 70, 66, 68 years?

00:40:21.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:40:21.000 Whatever the fuck it is. 0.99

00:40:22.000 Yeah, long time. 1.00

00:40:23.000 68 years without lighting in these buddies fucking city so it glows in the dark. 0.99

00:40:28.000 That's kind of crazy. 0.99

00:40:29.000 That's amazing.

00:40:30.000 But what's truly amazing is how much ignorance was involved in the testing process, the initial bombs that they blew up in the desert where they had soldiers run at the bombs.

00:40:42.000 Did you ever see those videos?

00:40:43.000 Yeah, but they just put on a little, like...

00:40:45.000 Yeah.

00:40:46.000 Like the thing where you're looking at a solar eclipse.

00:40:49.000 They're just like, put up your cardboard glasses, kids, and watch the fog.

00:40:52.000 It's like 10 feet.

00:40:53.000 Well, they had these ones where they would blow up these fake cities, and they would have these guys in a trench.

00:40:59.000 They would blow up the fake cities, and they would jump out of the trench and then run towards the blast.

00:41:03.000 You've never seen that?

00:41:04.000 No, just to see how it affects them.

00:41:06.000 See if you can find those, Jamie, because they're amazing.

00:41:08.000 No, they didn't do it because they didn't think it was going to affect them.

00:41:11.000 They were teaching them to run towards the blast. 0.98

00:41:13.000 The idea would be that this nuclear bomb would go off, everybody would be disoriented and fucked up, and that these American G.I.s would run in there and take over! 0.99

00:41:23.000 But these guys all died. 0.99

00:41:25.000 Not only did they die, but John Wayne died.

00:41:28.000 The bomb killed John Wayne.

00:41:30.000 I don't know if you know that.

00:41:30.000 No one knows that.

00:41:32.000 That's... 1.00

00:41:32.000 The bomb killed the fucking greatest American actor of all time. 1.00

00:41:38.000 That's insane. 1.00

00:41:39.000 The bomb killed the man who played Genghis Khan.

00:41:41.000 Does everyone realize?

00:41:42.000 Yeah.

00:41:43.000 So this is what they would do.

00:41:44.000 They would all get in these trenches.

00:41:45.000 I mean, these are the actual trenches.

00:41:47.000 I mean, it's unbelievable.

00:41:48.000 It's horrific. 1.00

00:41:50.000 That they had these poor fucking soldiers. 1.00

00:41:52.000 Look at their old helmets. 1.00

00:41:54.000 Yeah, it was ridiculous. 1.00

00:41:55.000 So these guys, they're playing cards and shit. 1.00

00:41:58.000 I'm fucking, I'm winning just like John McCain. 1.00

00:42:02.000 And so they blow these things off. 1.00

00:42:05.000 And when you watch the impact, look at these guys are just ducking their head.

00:42:09.000 Dude.

00:42:09.000 How close was it?

00:42:11.000 Close enough that you see the blast like super clearly.

00:42:14.000 Okay.

00:42:15.000 So they have these fake bodies out there.

00:42:17.000 Like they're all like drawn Japanese too.

00:42:19.000 So rude. 0.66

00:42:21.000 So watch how this goes off.

00:42:22.000 So racist.

00:42:23.000 They set it off.

00:42:24.000 Boom! 1.00

00:42:25.000 Holy shit. 0.99

00:42:27.000 And then the guys get up. 0.98

00:42:30.000 Oh my god.

00:42:31.000 Look at that.

00:42:32.000 Oh my god.

00:42:33.000 It's right in front of them.

00:42:34.000 I mean, what is it?

00:42:35.000 Five miles away?

00:42:36.000 Six miles away?

00:42:37.000 Whatever it is.

00:42:38.000 But look, the impact hits them.

00:42:40.000 And then they're closing their ears.

00:42:43.000 And then they run towards the blast.

00:42:44.000 And those guys are all dead.

00:42:46.000 All of them.

00:42:47.000 And they died young.

00:42:48.000 See, the blast hits them.

00:42:50.000 Look at this.

00:42:51.000 Oh my god.

00:42:51.000 This is all nuclear radiation.

00:42:53.000 Intense, super high doses of nuclear radiation.

00:42:57.000 So who knows what happened.

00:42:58.000 I mean, I'm sure a good percentage of them died of horrific cancer.

00:43:02.000 That's awful.

00:43:02.000 A few outliers survived because of freak genes.

00:43:05.000 But most of those guys, just like the Gipper.

00:43:08.000 Not the Gipper.

00:43:09.000 What was he?

00:43:10.000 What was it?

00:43:11.000 It was John Wayne.

00:43:12.000 Look at that.

00:43:12.000 They're just running toward it.

00:43:14.000 Ronald Reagan was the Gipper. 0.65

00:43:16.000 What was John Wayne? 1.00

00:43:17.000 Fucking ridiculous. 1.00

00:43:18.000 My god look at like the not just the plume, but those crazy like light or smoke formations to the left You know what my favorite one is the one that they did in the ocean Yeah, the one they didn't really know how much of an impact it was gonna have they fucking just tried shit Yeah, 0.99

00:43:34.000 you know just like they tried this see if you could find the ocean the video of the ocean nuclear explosions that they did I think they did it off of Guam I think that's where it was I don't remember though, but they they had all these Battleships that they stationed around where the bombs would go off. 0.98

00:43:54.000 And when they did it, everything got fucked up. 0.97

00:43:59.000 I mean, everything anywhere near it got fucked up. 0.99

00:44:01.000 Go full screen. 0.99

00:44:03.000 Oh my god!

00:44:04.000 Look at this, how it comes out of the water.

00:44:06.000 I mean, you're talking about like a mile of water straight up in the air and just engulfs that battleship. 0.99

00:44:15.000 Yeah, that battleship got fucked up. 0.97

00:44:17.000 John Wayne was the duke, by the way. 0.99

00:44:18.000 The duke. 1.00

00:44:19.000 A fucking tsunami after that? 1.00

00:44:20.000 Like, what the hell? 1.00

00:44:21.000 Oh, yeah.

00:44:22.000 I mean, well, it went straight up and straight down, but I'm sure it had incredible repercussions.

00:44:26.000 That is outrageous.

00:44:27.000 But look at it.

00:44:28.000 They had no idea.

00:44:29.000 I mean, they didn't want to waste that battleship.

00:44:31.000 They were trying to blow some stuff up underwater and wonder how close they could be while it was happening.

00:44:36.000 Turns out, not close at all.

00:44:38.000 Well, here's what they did know, is that the atomic bomb would obliterate, incinerate tens of thousands of lives in an instant.

00:44:46.000 And I think it's one of the greatest war crimes ever perpetuated on humanity. 0.76

00:44:49.000 And I think it's one of the greatest crimes against humanity that's ever been done.

00:44:52.000 And whenever I say this, I went to Japan last year and went to the Hiroshima museum with an in utero blast survivor.

00:45:00.000 And it was one of the most intense museums I've ever been to.

00:45:03.000 In utero?

00:45:04.000 Yeah.

00:45:06.000 So it was in his mother's stomach when the blast hit.

00:45:08.000 And she was right there.

00:45:09.000 Whoa.

00:45:09.000 It was just like a random chance that she just survived and he happens to be fine.

00:45:14.000 Wow.

00:45:14.000 Does he have any superpowers?

00:45:18.000 This wicked good hearing.

00:45:20.000 His arms stretch.

00:45:21.000 Yeah, right?

00:45:22.000 I wish that's what it was like.

00:45:25.000 It's just a really, really horrifying museum because we grow up...

00:45:27.000 That is probably the biggest myth that we grow up learning is that the bombs were necessary to end the war and that they saved lives and It's just like a way to legitimize a really horrific atrocity.

00:45:41.000 Two of them, actually.

00:45:43.000 Well, the issue is that Japan was already willing to surrender and that we didn't want them to surrender because we wanted to try the bombs out. 0.64

00:45:51.000 Whether or not that's true, that's the big debate.

00:45:54.000 And that's something that a lot of people...

00:45:57.000 We still to this day argue back and forth on whether or not it's actually the case. 0.99

00:46:02.000 If it is the case, it's even more horrific, because just like what they wanted to do in the ocean, where they tried that bomb out and watched a mile-high wave of water overcome that fucking battleship, they wanted to see what happens when you drop that shit on a city. 0.99

00:46:15.000 And they dropped it on two... 0.99

00:46:19.000 Yeah.

00:46:19.000 It isn't actually for debate anymore.

00:46:22.000 And this is a problem.

00:46:24.000 It's just like the Iraq war.

00:46:25.000 It's just these people kind of holding on to this last ditch like gasp of air just to hold on to like American exceptionalism.

00:46:31.000 And it really just is totally debunked at this point because even Truman himself instilled an atomic bomb survey.

00:46:36.000 University of Colorado featured a compilation of just like dozens of American military experts and leaders Internal interviews, diaries, other declassified materials basically involved in the bomb decision and all of them had one unanimous commonality among them that every single one said the bomb was not of military necessity and it did not need to happen for the surrender that Japan was ready to surrender.

00:46:56.000 Because if you remember, I think like 100,000 or maybe 80,000 people were incinerated in Tokyo just weeks prior with the firebombing.

00:47:04.000 So the US had already dropped all these bombs, basically eviscerated Tokyo.

00:47:10.000 And so countless people died.

00:47:11.000 Way more people actually died then in the initial atomic bomb drops.

00:47:15.000 So it's just a really, really unfortunate kind of thing that's perpetuated and people just still hold on to it.

00:47:21.000 You know, they say it would have saved lives.

00:47:22.000 It's like, well, it would have saved U.S. soldiers' lives, but instead it took like probably half a million Japanese, if you look at the countless maimed and radiation poisoning. 0.71

00:47:33.000 I mean, I think like 80,000 died instantly with the incineration of the blasts.

00:47:36.000 I think in each city.

00:47:37.000 In each city was something around that.

00:47:39.000 Yeah, it's awful.

00:47:40.000 The only argument that could be said that it saved lives is that it kept other people from using nuclear weapons because they're so horrific.

00:47:48.000 Otherwise, you look at all the war that has taken place since 1947 and not one person has used a nuclear bomb, it could be argued that it was because how horrific that was when it did happen.

00:47:58.000 But that's not a really good argument.

00:47:59.000 And it's also, like, irritating that the U.S. is the one fear-mongering the world about, like, he can't have a nuclear bomb, he can, he can't, and it's like, well, you guys are the only ones who've only used them twice, so why are we the arbitrators of who and who cannot utilize nuclear weapons?

00:48:14.000 Well, we're righteous, and plus, we're one nation under God.

00:48:19.000 Chris Kyle, rest in peace.

00:48:20.000 Do you know that we're under God?

00:48:23.000 We are.

00:48:24.000 And, you know, most people don't even know that we became one nation under God after the commie scare in the 1950s.

00:48:29.000 Really?

00:48:30.000 Yeah, the McCarthy scare is what led them to add that to the Pledge of Allegiance. 0.99

00:48:34.000 No fucking way. 0.98

00:48:34.000 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. 0.98

00:48:38.000 One nation indivisible for liberty and justice.

00:48:40.000 They had one nation under God indivisible.

00:48:43.000 They had to add that to it.

00:48:45.000 They had to add that to it because of the commie scare. 0.88

00:48:48.000 That's unreal.

00:48:49.000 That's the 1950s.

00:48:50.000 That's unreal.

00:48:51.000 Yeah, before that, before the McCarthy hearings, they didn't have under God. 1.00

00:48:56.000 It's a stupid thing to have. 1.00

00:48:57.000 Oh, it's insane. 1.00

00:48:58.000 What about people that believe in Buddha?

00:49:00.000 Right.

00:49:01.000 It's not under them.

00:49:03.000 It's funny that we changed it then.

00:49:05.000 I just assumed that that was from the OG. They're going to change it again to one nation under Chris Kyle.

00:49:08.000 That's the new thing.

00:49:09.000 Did you know that? 0.99

00:49:12.000 The Chris Giles thing is so crazy because it's like, I don't think Jesse Ventura got like threats saying they're going to cut his dick in half. 0.99

00:49:18.000 Well, they did. 0.99

00:49:18.000 No, he did. 0.99

00:49:19.000 He got a lot of horrible death. 1.00

00:49:20.000 His dick? 1.00

00:49:20.000 Dick threats? 1.00

00:49:21.000 I'm sure. 0.97

00:49:21.000 If I had to guess. 0.97

00:49:22.000 Rape threats?

00:49:23.000 I don't know, man. 1.00

00:49:23.000 I think there was a lot of like rape and misogynist shit. 1.00

00:49:24.000 People don't know what happened, though. 0.99

00:49:25.000 So explain the Jesse Ventura thing because a lot of folks aren't aware.

00:49:28.000 So Jesse Ventura, obviously badass Navy SEAL, epic man.

00:49:31.000 Well, he was pre-Navy SEAL. It was before it was...

00:49:34.000 Oh, really?

00:49:34.000 I thought they were both...

00:49:35.000 He wasn't a Navy SEAL. There was another name for it.

00:49:39.000 Oh, like before...

00:49:40.000 Yeah, because he was in the Vietnam era.

00:49:42.000 A cadet?

00:49:42.000 Yeah.

00:49:43.000 Well, I forget what.

00:49:44.000 I'll find out.

00:49:45.000 So Jesse Ventura, total badass, like the opposite of Chris Kyle, right?

00:49:49.000 He's like against war.

00:49:50.000 He's really on point.

00:49:53.000 So anyway, in Chris Kyle's book...

00:49:54.000 That's one of the greatest lines ever in a movie. 0.99

00:49:56.000 Slack-jawed faggots. 1.00

00:49:58.000 Is that in Predator? 1.00

00:49:59.000 No.

00:49:59.000 Yeah.

00:50:01.000 So, he, in Chris Kyle's book, it makes up this giant bar fight that he, like, beat up Jesse Ventura. 0.97

00:50:07.000 And if you know who Jesse Ventura is, like, he's fucking like a brick house. 0.93

00:50:12.000 Well, he's an older gentleman, too. 0.98

00:50:14.000 I mean, he was born in 1951, I think.

00:50:17.000 Sure.

00:50:17.000 But still.

00:50:18.000 It's like, if you're gonna fucking go out there and say that you beat the shit out of Jesse Ventura, you, like, socked him in a bar... 0.99

00:50:24.000 It might be a bad idea. 0.99

00:50:25.000 Well, here's what happened.

00:50:26.000 In the book, he wasn't referred to as Jesse Ventura.

00:50:30.000 He was referred to as Scruffy.

00:50:32.000 He called him Scruffy.

00:50:33.000 And he was saying that this guy was some celebrity they had beat up because this guy had said something bad about Navy SEALs.

00:50:40.000 So Chris Kyle came along and socked him for America.

00:50:43.000 He was UDT, the underwater demolition team, the original SEALs.

00:50:49.000 So he said on the Opie and Anthony show that it was Chris Kyle.

00:50:55.000 Chris Kyle said that it was Jesse Ventura.

00:50:57.000 That's when he was goaded into saying who the guy was.

00:51:02.000 I believe it was Opie and Anthony, I'm pretty sure.

00:51:04.000 And in that, that's when Jesse Ventura said, what? 0.98

00:51:09.000 You didn't fucking hit me. 0.97

00:51:10.000 Like, we didn't get in a fight. 0.99

00:51:11.000 What are you talking about?

00:51:12.000 And Jesse Ventura sued him and won.

00:51:15.000 And won $1.8 million.

00:51:18.000 There it is.

00:51:19.000 Jesse Ventura wins $1.8 million in damages against Chris Kyle, slain Navy SEAL sniper.

00:51:24.000 And here's the issue, was that he gave Chris Kyle the option to just admit...

00:51:29.000 Retract it?

00:51:30.000 Just to retract it, admit you're wrong, and I'll drop the case.

00:51:33.000 No way.

00:51:33.000 Chris Kyle wouldn't do it.

00:51:34.000 No fucking... 1.00

00:51:35.000 And then he was killed. 1.00

00:51:36.000 Chris Kyle was killed by some poor kid with PTSD. Poor kid.

00:51:41.000 Asshole murderer. 1.00

00:51:42.000 He's a murderer too. 1.00

00:51:43.000 Just another guy that fucked up. 1.00

00:51:45.000 I mean, murdered Chris Kyle for no reason. 1.00

00:51:47.000 He said PTSD, shot him, shot the other guy that was with him, stole his truck. 1.00

00:51:52.000 I mean, he was fucked. 1.00

00:51:54.000 War of that scale obviously fucks people's head up. 1.00

00:51:58.000 And when he died, Jesse Ventura continued with the lawsuit.

00:52:03.000 And that's where he got criticized. 0.99

00:52:05.000 And those people were like, you're suing the widow and all this shit. 0.98

00:52:07.000 Well, he said he was suing the book company. 0.99

00:52:09.000 He said, he goes, I'm suing everybody that's profiting off of this lie.

00:52:14.000 Exactly.

00:52:15.000 Exactly.

00:52:16.000 And his take on it was people also should be aware of the truth of what this guy didn't just lie about that, but he lied.

00:52:24.000 I mean, Jesse Ventura did several interviews.

00:52:27.000 We were talking about all the different lies.

00:52:28.000 There's more than one lie in that book.

00:52:30.000 Absolutely.

00:52:31.000 It doesn't mean that there aren't heroes.

00:52:34.000 It doesn't mean that the military is bad.

00:52:36.000 It doesn't mean that there aren't people that genuinely go into the military, like I'm sure your boyfriend did, thinking that they're going to do good, that they have these ideals that they want to protect.

00:52:44.000 They want to protect liberty and they believe in the American way of life.

00:52:48.000 And then, you know, it all gets convoluted because you're either with us or against us.

00:52:54.000 You're with us or against us?

00:52:56.000 It's not.

00:52:58.000 That's not us.

00:52:59.000 What you're doing is not us.

00:53:00.000 Lies aren't us. 0.96

00:53:01.000 Murder's not us.

00:53:02.000 Shooting looters, that's not us.

00:53:04.000 The ruling class is not us. 0.63

00:53:05.000 These people who are making these decisions are not us.

00:53:07.000 I mean, we have more in solidarity with the people in Iraq than we do with the elite that are making these decisions.

00:53:12.000 Yeah, the people that are complete neocons, that are complete chicken hawks, that are outside of the consequences of war, that are the ones pulling the strings.

00:53:22.000 I think that there's a big problem with just the militarization of our society, where we have, you know, every sports game has this giant military, just like...

00:53:40.000 We're good to go. 0.90

00:54:02.000 Riots in the streets or like, you know, let's send the fucking militarized riot cops who just got trained next to Israeli troops in Bahrain. 0.98

00:54:09.000 It's like, good God. 0.99

00:54:11.000 I mean, we need to start really removing ourselves with this kind of militaristic, I don't know, characterization of our society because it's really fucking toxic, man. 0.94

00:54:21.000 Well, and also, it creates military problems abroad because the rest of the world identifies us with that as well. 0.99

00:54:27.000 And if we're doing shit like what we've done in the Iraq War, which, whatever the number is, whether it's Sam Harris's number, the one that he adheres to, or whether it's the one that the far left adheres to, It's a lot of fucking people. 0.99

00:54:41.000 It's a lot of fucking people died. 0.99

00:54:43.000 And those people, it creates, without a doubt, martyrs. 1.00

00:54:47.000 And it creates, without a doubt, support for the opposition.

00:54:50.000 Because we're looked at, in other parts of the world, as the dark empire.

00:54:55.000 And also, if they're Muslim and they support Muslim ideals, and then they see that these people, who are of a completely different faith, are attacking and invading their homeland, It's pretty easy to support that. 1.00

00:55:10.000 And then it just piles on, and next thing you know, we got a problem.

00:55:14.000 And we got a current problem, and we have a past problem, and we got a future problem. 0.93

00:55:18.000 And we have a military-industrial complex that's just fucking raking it in and loves problems.

00:55:24.000 Because problems means we get to make more missiles, and more missiles means more money, and it keeps going. 0.93

00:55:30.000 More money, more problems.

00:55:31.000 Did you ever see the Hunter S. Thompson documentary?

00:55:35.000 No.

00:55:35.000 It's a Gonzo, I think it was called.

00:55:39.000 Oh, no, I haven't.

00:55:40.000 I should.

00:55:40.000 It's great.

00:55:41.000 It's great.

00:55:42.000 It's a great documentary.

00:55:43.000 But one of the best parts about it was McGovern, when he was recounting his days with Hunter, when Hunter was writing that...

00:55:52.000 Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail, and he followed around the press corps for a year and wrote that book.

00:55:58.000 But McGovern was just talking about how he was just sick and tired of old men in air-conditioned buildings making decisions that are to send young men off to war.

00:56:11.000 And I'll just never forget the way he was saying that.

00:56:15.000 And you know, McGovern, when he was doing that, He was an old guy when they were doing that documentary.

00:56:22.000 He died in 2012. But he was old when they were doing that documentary.

00:56:27.000 And he was just, I'm just tired of it.

00:56:31.000 I'm tired of it.

00:56:31.000 And he died very shortly after that documentary was made.

00:56:34.000 So this is like some of the last days of his life.

00:56:37.000 And he ran for president in, was it the 70s?

00:56:41.000 72, I think?

00:56:43.000 70?

00:56:44.000 72?

00:56:45.000 72?

00:56:47.000 Whatever it was, but it was during the Vietnam War.

00:56:51.000 And it's just that kind of voice.

00:56:54.000 He didn't win.

00:56:56.000 One of the reasons why he didn't win is because his vice presidential candidate turned out that he had undergone shock therapy, electrical shock therapy, and kind of hid that from everybody, and it came out during the campaign.

00:57:05.000 But he was ahead.

00:57:06.000 McGovern was ahead.

00:57:07.000 And part of the reason why he was ahead was because Hunter was supporting him, and Hunter was writing for the Rolling Stone. 1.00

00:57:12.000 He would write crazy shit. 0.99

00:57:14.000 That was where... 1.00

00:57:15.000 He wrote about Ed Muskie, who was also running for president.

00:57:18.000 He was saying that Ed Muskie was bringing in Brazilian doctors and they were treating him for his Ibogaine addiction.

00:57:25.000 Whoa, being addicted to Ibogaine seems really intense.

00:57:27.000 No one even knew what Ibogaine was back then. 1.00

00:57:30.000 What the fuck? 0.98

00:57:30.000 Yeah, and that Ed Muskie was clearly exhibiting signs, and it was really funny because they interviewed Hunter on one of these, in the documentary, he's on one of these talk shows. 0.98

00:57:40.000 He goes, well, there was a rumor that Ed Muskie was addicted to Ibogaine, and I started the rumor.

00:57:51.000 But he was a journalist, but he wasn't.

00:57:53.000 I mean, he was a journalist, but he was writing fiction.

00:57:56.000 But he was like, I thought everybody knew. 1.00

00:57:58.000 I thought everybody knew it was bullshit. 0.99

00:58:03.000 He's my favorite of all time. 0.96

00:58:04.000 He's one of my favorite people that's ever lived. 0.98

00:58:07.000 And he knew it was bullshit, but he thought... 0.99

00:58:10.000 Other people knew it was bullshit, but he also knew that he could make an impact with this. 1.00

00:58:14.000 So he thought that Muskie was just this fucking ridiculous hack. 0.99

00:58:18.000 So he just mocked him and talked about him being under the throes of this addiction, that he had brought in this Brazilian doctor, and... 0.99

00:58:27.000 And then Muskie, like, had these breakdowns on the campaign trail, because he was dealing with the...

00:58:32.000 Because nobody had ever dealt with that kind of negativity from the press before.

00:58:36.000 Nobody ever running for president had dealt with just someone fabricating craziness about them.

00:58:41.000 And it's the pressure of this, you could tell he wasn't...

00:58:44.000 Like, I don't even know where to start. 0.92

00:58:45.000 Today, if you run for president and you don't have a thick skin, you can't deal with people getting mad at you on Twitter, making shit up about you in the HuffPost or whatever they would want to do, you really shouldn't be running for president. 0.97

00:58:56.000 You have to develop some sort of rhino skin at this point in time. 0.96

00:58:59.000 But back then, they were paper. 0.98

00:59:00.000 Those people didn't know what the fuck to do. 0.97

00:59:02.000 There had only been a few presidents that were on TV. And they don't have the billion dollar campaigns where they have a spin master trying to skew it all. 0.99

00:59:09.000 When you think about 1972, how many fucking presidential candidates had even been on television? 0.95

00:59:15.000 You know, just a few decades worth. 0.99

00:59:17.000 It was so recent. 0.98

00:59:19.000 It was all so fucking recent. 1.00

00:59:21.000 These poor bastards didn't know what to do. 1.00

00:59:23.000 Now look at it. 1.00

00:59:24.000 Now look at this fucking dog and pony show. 1.00

00:59:27.000 Now you get Obama doing the Marc Maron podcast. 1.00

00:59:29.000 That's super crazy, isn't it?

00:59:32.000 Bizarre.

00:59:32.000 Yeah, just going right to Vice and Marc Maron.

00:59:34.000 Did you listen to it?

00:59:34.000 No.

00:59:35.000 I listened to a little bit of it. 1.00

00:59:37.000 I just knew it was all going to be softballs and bullshit. 1.00

00:59:39.000 Of course, yeah. 0.99

00:59:40.000 And all about, you know, America uniting America.

00:59:41.000 It's just funny where Obama's going for the audience.

00:59:44.000 It's like Vice, you know, sitting down with Shane Smith and Mike Moran.

00:59:46.000 I mean, he has good people telling him where people are at.

00:59:50.000 Where are the youngins at? 1.00

00:59:51.000 Where are the youngins at? 1.00

00:59:52.000 Why don't you come in here and smoke a joint with me, Barack?

00:59:55.000 Come on, Obama.

00:59:55.000 Sit down.

00:59:57.000 Are you fucking scared? 0.99

00:59:57.000 The real podcast? 0.99

00:59:58.000 Let's do mushrooms.

00:59:59.000 Real drug experience?

01:00:00.000 Let's do just a little mushrooms.

01:00:02.000 Mike Rohn's child's play compared to this.

01:00:05.000 Well, I don't know if I would do it.

01:00:07.000 I would be real weird about it.

01:00:09.000 I mean, I would definitely do it if you wanted to do it, but I wouldn't pursue it.

01:00:12.000 But I just don't know what you could ever get out of that.

01:00:16.000 You're never going to get...

01:00:18.000 He's such a trained, like, evader. 0.99

01:00:19.000 You know what I mean?

01:00:20.000 Everything he'd say would just be... 0.98

01:00:22.000 Not only then, you would develop some serious fucking enemies if you really went for it. 0.94

01:00:27.000 Like, that is the last person in the world you want to put you in a book or a category, rather. 0.99

01:00:36.000 Like, this is, he's on the fuck with list. 0.99

01:00:39.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:00:40.000 I travel too much! 1.00

01:00:42.000 Yeah, I mean arguably right up there the most powerful figurehead in the world if not the most powerful Certainly top four or five just thought of something really fucking crazy The bomb that we saw the atomic bomb that was obviously dropped on Hiroshima Nagasaki We have that's like fucking baby shit. 1.00

01:00:59.000 Yeah hydrogen. 0.99

01:01:01.000 Yeah 33 hundred times stronger I don't even understand.

01:01:06.000 3,300.

01:01:07.000 What would that even do?

01:01:09.000 Picture what we just saw exploding that little battleship. 1.00

01:01:11.000 What the fuck? 0.99

01:01:12.000 Why do we have that? 1.00

01:01:14.000 I don't know.

01:01:15.000 I don't know. 0.68

01:01:16.000 I mean, I guess we want to kill better.

01:01:19.000 Want to be better at it? 0.99

01:01:20.000 What's even more fucked up is the research they've done into antimatter weapons. 0.86

01:01:25.000 That's really crazy because we don't know whether or not this is just theoretical. 0.97

01:01:30.000 Bring me one of them alcoholic beverages too, young Jamie.

01:01:34.000 We don't know whether or not it's theoretical or whether this is actually proof of concept, whether antimatter can be developed into a weapon.

01:01:41.000 We do know there's research being done on it.

01:01:43.000 And when they do develop antimatter research...

01:01:47.000 I mean, when they do develop antimatter weapons, whether it's in our lifetime or in the future lifetimes, you're talking about a world destroyer.

01:01:53.000 We're talking about something they might just shoot over at Pluto.

01:01:56.000 Like, you know, it'll take nine years and we'll watch Pluto blow up from the sky just to see if we can do it.

01:02:02.000 That's very possible they might do that someday. 0.99

01:02:04.000 Just decide to launch it in some fucking planet. 0.99

01:02:07.000 Well, do you know that that's a justification? 0.99

01:02:09.000 I think the expectation for continuing the trillion dollars that they're going to spend just updating and refurbishing the nuclear arsenal is that they keep doubling down on the fucking Star Wars fantasy that Reagan had. 0.88

01:02:19.000 Gorbachev went to Reagan and he was like, let's disarm. 0.99

01:02:21.000 Let's fucking end it. 0.98

01:02:22.000 And Reagan was like, no, I'm senile and I want to create this giant Star Wars program that's going to like You know, like this shield in the sky and we're going to do this and that. 0.99

01:02:31.000 And everyone was like, all right, it's never gonna fucking work. 0.96

01:02:32.000 And of course it didn't. 0.96

01:02:34.000 But that's still like a justification to battle asteroids, to have these nuclear weapons here and continue to...

01:02:40.000 Yeah, like the video game asteroids.

01:02:43.000 I don't know what you're talking about.

01:02:46.000 Well, you know, they say that if you do blow up an asteroid, the real issue is you're going to create more asteroids.

01:02:51.000 Right, it's going to just exist.

01:02:52.000 It's just mass.

01:02:53.000 Like, if you have something, you don't annihilate it.

01:02:57.000 If you have something that has mass, it's five miles across, you're going to develop a hundred, you know, half-mile ones or whatever, you know, or 500-yard ones.

01:03:06.000 And they're going to kill everybody, too.

01:03:07.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:03:08.000 They're going to come down, it's going to rain metal and rock from the sky.

01:03:12.000 People that don't know what an asteroid is, a lot of them are iron.

01:03:16.000 They're metal.

01:03:17.000 They're just giant chunks of metal. 1.00

01:03:19.000 Hurling through fucking space. 1.00

01:03:21.000 It's a trip. 0.99

01:03:23.000 Well, here's a great theory for it, or a great conspiracy that it's actually true. 1.00

01:03:26.000 Fuck, I need to go pee. 1.00

01:03:27.000 Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. 1.00

01:03:29.000 Yeah, we're good.

01:03:29.000 No, go ahead, just do your pee and I'll have Jamie pull this up.

01:03:33.000 Pull up, I want you to pull up the Star Wars scientists that have been killed.

01:03:40.000 Star Wars scientists that have either been murdered or committed suicide.

01:03:46.000 Because what's really fascinating about the Star Wars program is I'll have to at least slightly reiterate this when young Abby Martin gets back because I don't think she is completely aware of this but when the Star Wars weapons defense system was created the idea behind it was the United States was going to create a military they were going to create some sort of a military solution with satellites that could shoot

01:04:16.000 these missiles out of the sky now While they were doing it they were spending fuck loads of money on this and apparently it was never effective and If you you could pull up the numbers just pull up like there's a list of all the Star Wars see if you could find a better article See like that who killed all the Star Wars?

01:04:38.000 Scientists here's see if you could find out could go to like a rents is rents legit R-E-N-S-E is not like a super conspiracy website Mysterious deaths of scientists.

01:04:50.000 Like, scientists killed.

01:04:53.000 Star Wars scientists murdered, killed. 0.58

01:04:56.000 But a giant number of them have all been killed.

01:05:02.000 Let's see...

01:05:02.000 I don't know, like, what's a good...

01:05:05.000 What's a good, like, website for this?

01:05:10.000 We should probably find a good one. 0.96

01:05:12.000 Because there's so many fucking goofy conspiracy theory websites that lump the Star Wars people in with chemtrails. 0.97

01:05:22.000 So, the... 0.96

01:05:24.000 The Star Wars program, the theory being, the Star Wars program was apparently never really effective.

01:05:30.000 And the scientists that were behind the Star Wars program, a fuckload of them died.

01:05:37.000 Like, by suicide, by murder, and there's a giant list of them.

01:05:42.000 And it's one of the most fascinating conspiracies in modern time.

01:05:46.000 You find it?

01:05:47.000 Okay.

01:05:48.000 These guys that knew, the people that knew, the scientists, the engineers, dead.

01:05:54.000 Like, almost all of them.

01:05:56.000 They all died, like, murdered, suicide, and, like, very, very suspicious.

01:06:01.000 Someone did, like, a number.

01:06:02.000 Like, you know, they did, like, a percentage.

01:06:04.000 Like, what are the odds that all these people were murdered?

01:06:06.000 And it's, like, a billion to one.

01:06:08.000 Yeah, well, they knew. 1.00

01:06:09.000 They all knew that it was bullshit. 1.00

01:06:11.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.99

01:06:11.000 The Star Wars program, they had spent millions, untold billions of dollars to develop this completely ineffective system to shoot missiles out of the sky. 0.99

01:06:20.000 It was never proven to work, ever. 1.00

01:06:22.000 And those scientists are all dead as fuck! 1.00

01:06:25.000 Here it goes. 1.00

01:06:26.000 Dead scientists.

01:06:28.000 Look at this.

01:06:29.000 There's the list.

01:06:30.000 Marconi scientists mystery.

01:06:32.000 The 1980s.

01:06:33.000 Over two dozen science graduates and experts working on the Marconi or Plessy?

01:06:38.000 How do you say that?

01:06:39.000 Plessy?

01:06:40.000 P-L-S-C-C-Y? Plessy, yeah. 0.99

01:06:42.000 Plessy.

01:06:42.000 S-S-S-Y? Defense systems died in mysterious circumstances, most appearing to be suicides.

01:06:47.000 The MOD denied these scientists had been involved in the classified Star Wars projects and that the deaths were in any way connected.

01:06:55.000 Ha ha.

01:06:56.000 But look at how these guys died.

01:06:59.000 Look at this guy.

01:07:00.000 Computer programmer, Keith Bowden.

01:07:03.000 Scientists at Essex University engaged in work for Marconi, blah, blah, blah.

01:07:08.000 Circumstance of death.

01:07:08.000 Fatal car crash.

01:07:09.000 Vehicle went out of control across a dual carriageway and plunged into a disused railway line.

01:07:16.000 Police maintained he'd been drinking, but family and friends denied the allegation. 0.99

01:07:19.000 So what the fuck was it? 0.99

01:07:20.000 Where's the autopsy? 0.99

01:07:21.000 It's like coroner's accident.

01:07:23.000 Accident.

01:07:23.000 Here's another one.

01:07:25.000 Lieutenant Colonel Anthony Godley, expertise, head of work-study union at the Royal College of Military Science, circumstance of death, disappeared mysteriously.

01:07:34.000 Without explanation.

01:07:36.000 Presumed dead. 1.00

01:07:37.000 Okay, that's fucking nuts. 1.00

01:07:38.000 Expertise. 1.00

01:07:38.000 Radar designer and droughtsman. 1.00

01:07:41.000 Droughtsman? 0.94

01:07:42.000 I guess that's draftsman?

01:07:43.000 Droughtsman? 0.94

01:07:44.000 With Marconi.

01:07:45.000 Circumstance of death. 0.63

01:07:46.000 Death by shotgun blast at home.

01:07:48.000 Coroner's verdict.

01:07:49.000 Suicide.

01:07:50.000 Jonathan Walsh, 29. Expertise.

01:07:52.000 Digital communications expert who had worked at GEC and at British Telecom Secret Research Center at the blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:08:00.000 He had expressed fears his life.

01:08:01.000 Yep, exactly.

01:08:03.000 Died a result of falling from a hotel room in West Africa while working for British Telecom.

01:08:09.000 He had expressed fears that his life was in danger.

01:08:12.000 Coroner's verdict, open.

01:08:15.000 And he just goes on and on and on.

01:08:16.000 Well, you know about David Kelly.

01:08:19.000 You see how he's scrolling?

01:08:20.000 Look at the upper right-hand corner. 0.98

01:08:22.000 Look how fucking long this list is. 0.90

01:08:24.000 Like, scroll down to the bottom of this list so you can see how many people were on this. 0.98

01:08:28.000 Yeah, oh my god.

01:08:28.000 Look at this.

01:08:29.000 There's a lot of people that were attached to the Star Wars program. 0.99

01:08:32.000 All of them in the late 80s and the early 90s, dead as fuck. 0.99

01:08:38.000 Crazy, right? 0.99

01:08:39.000 Well, remember David Kelly? 0.99

01:08:41.000 The guy who basically said that there were no WMDs and shit, and then he was found dead. 0.98

01:08:46.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

01:08:47.000 That's a fucking sketch. 1.00

01:08:48.000 There's a lot of those people. 1.00

01:08:50.000 That's what happens.

01:08:51.000 If the people are interested in going over to some place that we don't belong, killing people, the idea that they're not going to kill you because you want to stop them from killing people, that's crazy.

01:09:03.000 That's crazy talk.

01:09:04.000 That's a very good way to say it.

01:09:06.000 Well, I mean, how about Pat Tillman?

01:09:07.000 I mean, there's...

01:09:08.000 Pat Tillman's brother believes that Pat Tillman was killed because he was speaking up because he was a very public figure and then he was speaking out against the war.

01:09:15.000 You know, that's going back to the little Chris Cowell thing because every single myth that has been resurrected out of the Iraq invasion has been like, you know, the Pat Tillman thing. 0.98

01:09:24.000 They were so hard and on for Pat Tillman because he really was a fucking hero.

01:09:29.000 I mean, he's abandoning like a million dollar career. 0.98

01:09:31.000 To go fight, you know, because he really believed it. 0.99

01:09:34.000 And he's really fucking smart, and he realized that it was based on lies and shit, and he had this diary, and it's an incredible documentary that just talks about his transition, and people who knew him, and when he was changing his mind, and he had this diary all written up, and they fucking burned it, dude. 0.98

01:09:48.000 When they killed him, if they did, they say it was friendly fire, who knows? 0.99

01:09:53.000 But his brother thinks that it was targeted, I don't know.

01:09:55.000 But he definitely would have come out and been, like, another, like, Chomsky.

01:09:58.000 Like, he would have come out and said... 1.00

01:10:00.000 He would have been a figurehead against the war and he died from friendly fire and then they burned all of his shit. 0.99

01:10:06.000 They burned his diary so we can never know. 0.99

01:10:08.000 Is that true? 0.99

01:10:08.000 That is fucking true. 0.99

01:10:09.000 That's crazy. 0.99

01:10:10.000 And then look at the Jessica Lynch thing. 0.54

01:10:12.000 Remember her?

01:10:13.000 Yeah.

01:10:13.000 And they said she was raped and all of a sudden she was like the Iraqi like military was like helping her just put her in a hospital and like taking care of her.

01:10:20.000 And they've staged that whole like...

01:10:22.000 Rescue.

01:10:23.000 The narrative was that she was trapped and she was being kidnapped by the Iraqis and that the United States military went in and rescued her.

01:10:30.000 And she was this hero and she was paraded around on television, but she spoke out against it and she got death threats and she essentially vanished and she just went quiet on it and they never talked to her again.

01:10:42.000 It's so sad, too, because they chose her.

01:10:44.000 They're like, we're going to prop you up as this person.

01:10:46.000 And it's like, what are you?

01:10:47.000 She just got swept up in it.

01:10:49.000 It's just so crazy.

01:10:50.000 The idea that they would just do that to someone and force them in some sort of a situation like that.

01:10:56.000 I just don't understand why they would think that she would just play along.

01:11:00.000 I guess they just assume.

01:11:02.000 They're like, we're going to make a famous girl. 1.00

01:11:04.000 They're telling you to kill people. 0.99

01:11:05.000 They're telling you to do this. 1.00

01:11:07.000 They're telling you to do that.

01:11:07.000 And it was one of the first times that we had women in active duty, too.

01:11:11.000 In combat duty.

01:11:13.000 Yeah, totally.

01:11:15.000 Totally.

01:11:15.000 There's not a lot of...

01:11:17.000 I mean, when you're dealing with death and you're dealing with what you would call sanction murder, right?

01:11:25.000 I mean, that's what...

01:11:27.000 Look, if... 0.99

01:11:28.000 If you're in the military and you are supposed to go over there and shoot some bad guys, whether they're good or bad guys, you're going to go murder those people. 0.99

01:11:36.000 That's sanctioned murder. 0.98

01:11:38.000 And it's one of the weirdest things about civilization is that we salute sanctioned murder.

01:11:43.000 Murder is awful. 0.76

01:11:44.000 When you don't like someone and you kill them, we want to lock you up. 0.98

01:11:47.000 But if we tell you you can kill someone, as long as it's written down on paper and we all collectively agree, but we don't really collectively agree. 0.92

01:11:54.000 That's where it gets weird.

01:11:55.000 There's a small group of people that decide who you can and can't kill, and then everybody else has to fall in line.

01:12:01.000 Well, if those people were beyond reproach, if they were these incredibly enlightened people that had only our best wishes and hopes in mind and could not make a bad decision, Well, then it makes sense to just give in to them.

01:12:15.000 They're smarter than us.

01:12:16.000 We're the ants and they're the geniuses and we'll just follow along.

01:12:20.000 But that's not the case.

01:12:21.000 It's never been the case.

01:12:22.000 No.

01:12:23.000 And the thing that bothers me about the Obama administration is that he's feigned as this like transparency president.

01:12:30.000 You know, we talked about the whistleblower thing.

01:12:31.000 It's like everything's the opposite of what it is.

01:12:33.000 It's like this Orwellian new...

01:12:53.000 It's called the Freedom Act.

01:12:55.000 Isn't that hilarious?

01:12:57.000 The Freedom Act is about to spy on you.

01:13:00.000 And you can't vote against the Patriot Act either, because the name is just like, what are you, not a patriot?

01:13:05.000 You don't like freedom?

01:13:07.000 Not freedom?

01:13:09.000 No?

01:13:10.000 You want death? 0.94

01:13:11.000 What do you want, destruction? 0.94

01:13:13.000 You want the Prisoner Act to pass?

01:13:16.000 The Freedom Act.

01:13:17.000 Oh my God.

01:13:18.000 So for the last few years, it's like, yeah, of course we've been torturing people.

01:13:20.000 There's been wars.

01:13:21.000 There's been extrajudicial assassinations.

01:13:23.000 But never before has it been, like, openly codified and, like, legislated executively.

01:13:29.000 You know what I mean?

01:13:29.000 So it's almost this weird era of normalization.

01:13:32.000 Conditioning where people just accept this as a new normal, like the empire and just the post 9-11 era.

01:13:37.000 We just do these things now.

01:13:39.000 And it's all legal, right?

01:13:40.000 It's legal because we've created all these legal caveats to do them.

01:13:44.000 So what is legal?

01:13:45.000 That's what it gets.

01:13:46.000 Exactly.

01:13:46.000 Weird.

01:13:47.000 It's just like, what is legal and what's not legal?

01:13:49.000 If they write it down, it's legal.

01:13:51.000 Exactly.

01:13:51.000 And the Pentagon just issued this field manual to basically for all the branches in the military and in it, I guess, because citizen journalism is like on the rise and it's really hard to distinguish like who is like an official established journalist or not.

01:14:02.000 Or who's like embedded with the enemy.

01:14:04.000 And they basically said that journalists can be killed legally now by US military personnel.

01:14:10.000 Isn't that crazy?

01:14:11.000 Yeah.

01:14:12.000 That's in the new Pentagon Army field now.

01:14:14.000 Well, that was one of the things that happened during the Obama administration.

01:14:18.000 They started assassinating American citizens without trial.

01:14:22.000 Yeah, I'm a fan of due process and the rule of law. 0.55

01:14:25.000 Well, as long as you're over there, though, they can just assassinate you.

01:14:28.000 Drone strikes, what have you.

01:14:31.000 I get it if they're absolutely honest and beyond reproach and the most enlightened beings in the world that are dictating what these actions would be. 0.98

01:14:41.000 I mean, if you have some fucking Hitler character over there and you want to assassinate him, I get it. 1.00

01:14:45.000 That makes sense to me. 0.99

01:14:46.000 Just keep us in the loop.

01:14:47.000 Just keep us in the loop. 1.00

01:14:49.000 Send us a little memo and be like, look, we've got this fucking guy. 1.00

01:14:52.000 Hitler 2.0. 0.99

01:14:53.000 He's classified, Mrs. Martin.

01:14:56.000 Didn't you work for Russia?

01:14:58.000 Weren't you Putin's boot on the ground?

01:15:01.000 Vladimir Putin continues his attacks against me. 1.00

01:15:04.000 I'm like, John, pick the fuck up. 0.99

01:15:05.000 He's barely paying attention. 0.99

01:15:07.000 He had his aide do that while he was in the middle of poker.

01:15:10.000 Yeah, he doesn't know how to tweet.

01:15:11.000 Probably barely tweets.

01:15:12.000 It's insane.

01:15:12.000 Do you think he tweets?

01:15:13.000 I don't think Obama tweets either.

01:15:16.000 Do you think he tweets?

01:15:16.000 No.

01:15:17.000 He doesn't actually touch the keyboards. 1.00

01:15:18.000 I would hope he has better shit to do than fucking tweet. 1.00

01:15:22.000 It was Obama's tweeting emojis and smiley faces. 1.00

01:15:26.000 Imagine if Obama tweeted, just his only tweet, a smiley face, a pile of dog shit, and a gun. 1.00

01:15:33.000 Like, what does that mean? 1.00

01:15:34.000 He's like, that's my life.

01:15:37.000 What does it mean?

01:15:38.000 Everybody would dissect it forever. 1.00

01:15:40.000 When they look back at us in the future, when they, you know, civilizations 100, 200 years from now, look back at what we're, you know, when we look back at World War II and looking at these people that were running towards this bomb, you know, we look at them like, fuck, man, these poor bastards. 1.00

01:15:55.000 What are they going to think about us? 0.99

01:15:57.000 When is that gonna not be the case?

01:15:59.000 Yeah, I don't...

01:16:01.000 I don't know.

01:16:02.000 I don't know.

01:16:03.000 I was just thinking the other day about reality TV and how back in the day we had the fat lady at the circus and the bearded lady.

01:16:11.000 It's like we still have that.

01:16:12.000 It's just in the realm of reality television where we're trying to empathize with this fat lady, but really we're just watching a giant whale live her life and it's just like the circus. 0.99

01:16:23.000 And it's the same with horror movies and shit. 0.97

01:16:26.000 We don't have the Coliseum, but we still like people being ripped limb from limb. 1.00

01:16:29.000 And blood and fucking guts. 0.99

01:16:31.000 It's something about us. 0.99

01:16:34.000 And yeah, it's evolved through technology, but it's still that weird innate human trait that I don't really understand.

01:16:40.000 Yeah, we love oddities, and we also love people suffering when we're not, because we feel like, oh, it's good, I'm not there.

01:16:46.000 Yeah, right?

01:16:46.000 That's why I'm watching Intervention.

01:16:48.000 Because I'll watch the, I'm walking on sunshine, the episode of the girls doing the duster, and I'm like, alright, I guess I don't feel bad about smoking this much weed, because I'm I'm not eating tape. 0.96

01:17:00.000 Yeah, have you ever seen that fucking My Strange Addiction? 0.90

01:17:05.000 That's another thing. 1.00

01:17:06.000 Does this shit exist in the third world? 1.00

01:17:10.000 That's a good question. 1.00

01:17:10.000 Do people fucking eat tape in their cars? 1.00

01:17:15.000 I don't know. 0.99

01:17:15.000 It's a very good question. 0.99

01:17:17.000 I wonder what it is about human beings that when everything is great and you have too much resources and it's too easy to get food, we just start getting really fucking strange. 0.87

01:17:27.000 I'm addicted to eating drywall.

01:17:30.000 Okay, are those people real?

01:17:32.000 I mean, that's what I want to know.

01:17:34.000 That's the thing that I wonder too.

01:17:35.000 It almost seems like the My Strange Addiction one is almost fake. 0.97

01:17:38.000 Well, having worked in reality TV and knowing how much of it is bullshit, How does that work? 0.97

01:17:43.000 Is it just super edited? 0.99

01:17:45.000 Well, even when I did that sci-fi show, they fucking just fake things. 0.99

01:17:49.000 Like your reaction shots and shit? 0.99

01:17:50.000 I always wonder if people are like, oh. 0.98

01:17:52.000 They definitely edit things and put certain reaction things where they didn't belong.

01:17:56.000 We need a face when he's looking at it like, whoa.

01:17:59.000 But there was one where they did, that sci-fi show that I did, where there's a thing that people believe in called skyquakes.

01:18:07.000 Oh.

01:18:07.000 What is that?

01:18:08.000 It's probably bullshit, most likely, but sounds from the sky, like crazy, like horns, and people are trying to figure out what these sounds were. 0.99

01:18:17.000 Well, they took a video, this one guy sent in this video, where he was just, it was actually, it's really hilarious, because the one guy that they put the video, he was like a chemtrail believer. 0.98

01:18:27.000 Yeah. 0.92

01:18:27.000 So he believes in a different kind of bullshit, and he was pointing at the sky, and we kind of mocked him for his chemtrail beliefs. 0.92

01:18:34.000 But then these fucking dummies that made the show, the editors, took a chunk of this guy's video and then added some sound to it. 0.99

01:18:42.000 No way! 0.99

01:18:42.000 And then put it on the show and said that there's a... 0.99

01:18:44.000 He was pointing to a sky quake, but he wasn't.

01:18:47.000 It was just fake.

01:18:48.000 Oh, that's crazy.

01:18:49.000 I found out about it.

01:18:50.000 I freaked out.

01:18:51.000 I had them remove it from the show.

01:18:53.000 But it aired.

01:18:54.000 The first time it aired, that was on the show.

01:18:57.000 And then after it had aired, when they aired it for a second time, they removed it.

01:19:01.000 That's so disingenuous and insane.

01:19:02.000 That's what they do. 0.85

01:19:04.000 That's what they do.

01:19:05.000 That's what those shows are. 1.00

01:19:05.000 Those shows are just bullshit. 1.00

01:19:06.000 Most of those shows are bullshit. 1.00

01:19:08.000 And sci-fi at the time... 1.00

01:19:10.000 I had a ton of those.

01:19:11.000 There was one show that was all about a family that was trapped in a house in Maine because there was werewolves outside. 0.99

01:19:19.000 And it was a whole, like, fucking half-hour show about these people. 0.95

01:19:23.000 I looked out, and I saw it was standing up, and it looked like a man, but it was covered in front. 0.99

01:19:29.000 Just making things up.

01:19:30.000 And that was the whole show. 0.99

01:19:31.000 They don't give a fuck. 1.00

01:19:32.000 As long as they can get that Toyota truck commercial on, We got Toyota, then we got Tide, and then we got fucking hot dogs. 1.00

01:19:40.000 Alright, go! 0.99

01:19:41.000 Back to the werewolf story. 0.99

01:19:42.000 And it's so interesting, Joe, because I had an agent for a little while looking for work and stuff, and every single thing, because I guess I come from the same questioning government narratives, and oh shit, you're tinfoil hot wearer if you fucking question what the government tells you. 0.98

01:19:55.000 And so it's always these shows. 0.84

01:19:57.000 They're like, we're starting a show to basically dissect...

01:20:00.000 JFK and chemtrails. 0.95

01:20:02.000 I'm like, isn't there anything else fucking happening other than like the same five fucking things that you guys want to create shows around? 0.98

01:20:09.000 It's so weird. 0.97

01:20:10.000 No, there's not. 0.99

01:20:11.000 No, that's what all these goddamn things are. 1.00

01:20:14.000 And it's all just bullshit. 1.00

01:20:14.000 It's like, why don't we talk about shit that fucking matters? 1.00

01:20:16.000 Or like interesting stuff that's going on now. 0.99

01:20:18.000 Because those things are like, they can start fires. 0.92

01:20:20.000 You know, it's like you can start fires with a flint and a piece of metal, clink, clink, clink, and they know it works.

01:20:26.000 So they just keep going to it over and over again.

01:20:28.000 You can start a fire with Bigfoot.

01:20:29.000 Put Bigfoot on TV and people, oh, look at that!

01:20:32.000 And they're just drawn to it.

01:20:33.000 Look at this, it's a UFO, it says it's real.

01:20:36.000 There's just certain subjects that people will always want to believe in.

01:20:40.000 They want to believe in psychics.

01:20:41.000 They want to believe in chemtrails, UFOs, the government experiments, mind control.

01:20:49.000 Don't you know about Majestic 12?

01:20:52.000 You know, I'm sure there's been some mind control experiments.

01:20:55.000 There was definitely those LSD experiments.

01:20:57.000 Oh, hell yeah, dude.

01:20:58.000 MKUltra? 0.99

01:20:59.000 Where they were just watching people fuck in a whorehouse and dosing them with acid, and then these FBI agents would sit behind... 1.00

01:21:05.000 One-way mirrors and just watch him. 0.99

01:21:07.000 Operation Midnight Climax.

01:21:09.000 Midnight Climax. 0.99

01:21:10.000 It must be really cool to be an FBI agent during the fucking... 1.00

01:21:12.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:21:13.000 They dose people with acid when they went to whorehouses. 1.00

01:21:15.000 Guys went to whorehouses, they would slip acid in their drink, and, you know, they'd be like, uh, I don't really want sex anymore. 0.96

01:21:22.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:21:23.000 I'm thinking about life.

01:21:25.000 Existential angst is really kind of freaking me out right now.

01:21:28.000 Wait, is it true that the U.S. government has, like, half the world's LSD? Okay.

01:21:34.000 Is that a bullshit? 1.00

01:21:36.000 Well, it's most likely bullshit. 1.00

01:21:37.000 Here's why it's bullshit. 1.00

01:21:38.000 Because LSD has a half-life and it doesn't last. 0.99

01:21:41.000 If you have a vat of LSD and you leave it in your house for 10 years, most likely it's not really effective after a while.

01:21:48.000 I remember Alex Schulgen was saying that they seized a bunch of it, really good acid, during that whole time.

01:21:54.000 But I guess, yeah, it wouldn't last.

01:21:55.000 I'm sure they did.

01:21:56.000 Unless they figured out some way to contain it.

01:21:58.000 Vacuum seal it in some special way.

01:22:00.000 I don't know.

01:22:01.000 Walt Disney's brain.

01:22:02.000 I'm guessing no, as far as I know.

01:22:04.000 I don't think like, I think a lot of substances are just not, that's why vitamins, if you get vitamins, like most vitamins, you look at them, they're not really effective after like six months or a year.

01:22:14.000 They become less and less effective over time.

01:22:17.000 I'm pretty sure that's the case with LSD. Don't Don't quote me on it, though.

01:22:21.000 But I know it is with weed.

01:22:22.000 Is it?

01:22:23.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:22:23.000 Old weed doesn't get...

01:22:24.000 Unfortunately, it doesn't last.

01:22:26.000 It's like life.

01:22:26.000 You gotta get it when it's hot and fresh and young.

01:22:29.000 Get that carbon in your fucking lungs as soon as possible. 0.99

01:22:31.000 Yeah, even edibles. 1.00

01:22:33.000 They go bad, even if they bake them down into a cookie.

01:22:37.000 You put that cookie in a piece of plastic, try to eat it a couple years from now.

01:22:40.000 We just took this epic road trip and got back this morning, which was amazing, but I wanted to tell your audience just about the Utah thing because it was so funny. 0.99

01:22:48.000 I mean, here you are in these fucking massive rock formations carved by millions of years of water, sandstone, fucking... 0.99

01:22:56.000 Whatever, like, slate, all this shit. 1.00

01:22:59.000 Insane! 0.99

01:23:00.000 Like, anyone who has not been to Utah, you need to go.

01:23:02.000 Bryce Canyon National Park is one of the most absurd things I've ever seen.

01:23:05.000 It's like these things called hoodoos that are just carved over millions of years with a stone.

01:23:08.000 Anyway, Arches National Park, obviously that iconic, like, all the orange arches that are carved in...

01:23:14.000 Millions of years like we can carbon date them.

01:23:16.000 We know the geological processes very easy to explain through science So we're reading the official park literature and I'm just like man I'm like so so fascinated like how did this form and so like crazy and it makes you just like Appreciate time like that's what the desert is like you fucking appreciate time Like that is it's like you look at that and that's the top of the grand staircase Joe.

01:23:35.000 That's the newest part of the grand staircase That's amazing. 0.98

01:23:38.000 So in that's fucking ridiculous. 0.96

01:23:40.000 It looks like a standing army Yeah, people that are just listening to this, what it looks like, obviously it's not, but it looks like something that someone has designed. 0.99

01:23:50.000 Yeah.

01:23:51.000 It looks like something someone carved out of the stone.

01:23:54.000 Like, some of those things look like...

01:23:56.000 It's insane.

01:23:56.000 Yeah, they look like columns in a building.

01:23:58.000 It's amazing, dude.

01:24:01.000 So this is all Utah, of course, named after some Mormon guy named Bryce who discovered it, you know.

01:24:07.000 So anyway, there's arches.

01:24:09.000 Arches that are created by just wind and time, right?

01:24:11.000 Yeah, wind and time.

01:24:12.000 And that's what you...

01:24:12.000 The most crazy thing about being out in the desert for so long is you're just like, this took millions of years to...

01:24:18.000 I mean, it makes you just appreciate fucking time and evolution and like how the Earth has changed.

01:24:23.000 And this is only, think about how old the Earth is, billions of years old. 0.97

01:24:27.000 This was only the last couple million.

01:24:28.000 If you look at something called the Black Canyon, which is actually way deeper than the Grand Canyon and way more narrow.

01:24:34.000 I was just like, oh my god, this must have taken billions of years to form.

01:24:37.000 And it was just like, nope, just the last two million years just popped up. 0.99

01:24:39.000 It's like, what the fuck? 0.99

01:24:40.000 It just makes you... 0.99

01:24:41.000 It just makes you just appreciate, like...

01:24:44.000 Time.

01:24:45.000 Time and geology and science.

01:24:47.000 So anyway, in this official park literature in Arches, it explains everything very precisely.

01:24:54.000 At the very end of it, it's just like, okay, we just explained how all of this worked.

01:24:58.000 This is the history of Arches National Park.

01:25:01.000 And then it says, probably...

01:25:03.000 All of the evidence is circumstantial. 1.00

01:25:05.000 And I was just like, what the fuck? 0.99

01:25:07.000 I was like, what do you mean? 0.99

01:25:08.000 All the evidence is circumstantial.

01:25:09.000 I was like, all the evidence is not circumstantial.

01:25:11.000 All the evidence is proven.

01:25:12.000 We know how old these rocks are.

01:25:13.000 We know exactly what's carved them.

01:25:15.000 We can test all the sediments.

01:25:16.000 We can test all the rocks. 0.99

01:25:18.000 So I was just like, holy shit, like, has the Mormon lobby just lobbied all the fucking parks in Utah, which are the best parks in the country and the most amazing state, and basically forced them to say, none of this is real. 0.99

01:25:31.000 Joseph Smith in 1820 was 14 years old. 0.99

01:25:34.000 He found golden tablets that contained the lost work of Jesus.

01:25:38.000 The Israeli people came over from the Bering Strait in Siberia.

01:25:43.000 That's crazy.

01:25:45.000 That's the narrative for the Mormons.

01:25:48.000 Do you know that?

01:25:48.000 That the lost tribe of Israel were the Native Americans?

01:25:54.000 You didn't know that?

01:25:55.000 Yeah.

01:25:56.000 What?

01:25:56.000 They even tested, this guy was this rich Mormon dude, tested Native American DNA to try to prove that they were Israeli and that they were the lost tribes of Israel.

01:26:08.000 And turns out that's not true. 1.00

01:26:09.000 Turns out it's a bunch of fucking bullshit. 1.00

01:26:12.000 It's all circumstantial. 1.00

01:26:13.000 They're from Siberia.

01:26:14.000 They came over from the Bering Strait.

01:26:15.000 We've known that forever.

01:26:17.000 But they tested it.

01:26:19.000 But in 1820, Joseph Smith, he found magic tablets, and he had a magic stone.

01:26:26.000 He had a seer stone, and only he could read the magic tablets.

01:26:29.000 Did you know that?

01:26:30.000 Yeah, yeah, he wouldn't let anyone else see them.

01:26:31.000 He was just like, no, no, just trust me.

01:26:33.000 Well, not only that, he needed a stone to look at them.

01:26:36.000 A seer stone.

01:26:37.000 Got it.

01:26:38.000 A seer stone.

01:26:39.000 It's a wonderful story.

01:26:40.000 It is a wonderful stone.

01:26:41.000 I wish I had one.

01:26:42.000 Angels came and took the tablets away because the people didn't believe.

01:26:46.000 To test their faith.

01:26:47.000 It's like dinosaur bones are just like, just gotta trust Joseph Smith.

01:26:52.000 Is that the peep stone?

01:26:53.000 That's his seer stone! 1.00

01:26:54.000 What a fucking batshit crazy dude. 1.00

01:26:56.000 Can you imagine him just wandering? 1.00

01:26:57.000 Can you imagine Joseph Smith today?

01:26:59.000 Walking around with a seer stone being like, everyone listen up! 0.76

01:27:04.000 I found these golden tablets! 0.99

01:27:07.000 Well, what's really wonderful is that a follower of this jackass almost became president. 0.99

01:27:11.000 Got real goddamn close. 1.00

01:27:12.000 Right, that's fucking batshit crazy. 1.00

01:27:14.000 The people that don't even know how batshit Mitt Romney is, Mitt Romney's family is living in Mexico. 1.00

01:27:21.000 His family's all from Mexico.

01:27:24.000 That's why his dad was never president.

01:27:26.000 Mitt Romney's dad wanted to be president. 0.99

01:27:28.000 Mitt Romney's family was one of the fucking Mormons that escaped America when they made polygamy illegal. 0.99

01:27:34.000 They were like, look, I need more than one poser. 1.00

01:27:36.000 I'm gone, son.

01:27:37.000 This is too much.

01:27:38.000 This is too restrictive. 0.99

01:27:39.000 Get the fuck out of here. 0.99

01:27:40.000 That's true. 0.99

01:27:41.000 That's what happened.

01:27:42.000 Did you know that?

01:27:43.000 No.

01:27:43.000 You didn't know that?

01:27:44.000 Mitt Romney's family, they still live in Mexico. 1.00

01:27:48.000 Mitt Romney's dad is from fucking Mexico. 1.00

01:27:51.000 He was born in Mexico. 1.00

01:27:52.000 Oh, whoa.

01:27:52.000 Yeah.

01:27:53.000 There's a huge colony. 0.74

01:27:55.000 He's just so white looking.

01:27:56.000 Well, they're American.

01:27:57.000 They're Mormons from America. 0.97

01:27:59.000 They escaped back when there was no cars.

01:28:01.000 Got it.

01:28:02.000 See, there was no cars.

01:28:03.000 And back when there was no cars, you're on a horseback in America, you're on a horseback in Mexico. 0.99

01:28:07.000 What difference does it make, bitch? 1.00

01:28:09.000 But if you cross this dirt line, you could fuck nine different chicks and live in a house where you all have your own rules. 1.00

01:28:15.000 Well, to this day, they're over there. 0.99

01:28:17.000 There's a whole colony of them, and they're at war on a regular basis.

01:28:21.000 There's Mitt Romney's cousin over there in Mexico.

01:28:24.000 That's Kelly Romney. 0.99

01:28:25.000 They're playing golf with fucking armed guards because the cartel kidnaps them all the time. 1.00

01:28:30.000 A bunch of wives waiting inside. 1.00

01:28:31.000 Well, they get kidnapped by the cartel members. 1.00

01:28:33.000 They have a fucking active war. 1.00

01:28:35.000 These people, they have these ranches, and they're armed to the dick. 1.00

01:28:38.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:28:39.000 Yeah.

01:28:40.000 It's hilarious.

01:28:41.000 Oh, there's Vice.

01:28:42.000 There's Shane over there.

01:28:43.000 It's hilarious.

01:28:44.000 Wandering around in Mexico at the Romney Ranch.

01:28:46.000 Mitt Romney actually has a really interesting story, because he, at Bain Capital, when he ran Bain Capital, he was, like, taken in and trained by Monsanto executives.

01:28:55.000 And he, like... 1.00

01:28:57.000 I think he was given his first big loan by a Monsanto executive, and then he was like, all right, y'all, you guys are a fucking toxic chemical company, fucking Agent Orange, all this shit, real bad. 1.00

01:29:06.000 Real bad look. 1.00

01:29:08.000 Why don't we shift this over to food now?

01:29:10.000 So he basically was behind this giant PR push to switch Monsanto over from chemicals to biotech, which is really interesting to be like, why is Mitt Romney's in the fold?

01:29:21.000 You know, it's just like super weird that he was just like right there in the wings kind of helping foster this transition is super weird.

01:29:27.000 People with money.

01:29:28.000 Bain Capital.

01:29:30.000 Harvesting money.

01:29:30.000 That's what he says in some commercial for Bain Capital.

01:29:32.000 He's like, we harvest money.

01:29:34.000 And you're like, oh my god.

01:29:36.000 How do you do that?

01:29:37.000 Show us where the money tree is.

01:29:40.000 I can't.

01:29:40.000 It's near the golden tablets.

01:29:42.000 You need a seer stone to see the magic money tree.

01:29:46.000 Money seeds only through the seer stone.

01:29:49.000 The money seeds.

01:29:50.000 We water it with angel tears and piss. 1.00

01:29:53.000 It's like, what the fuck? 1.00

01:29:55.000 Money tree harvest? 1.00

01:29:57.000 What are you doing?

01:29:58.000 Harvesting cash.

01:29:59.000 What are you doing, Mitt?

01:30:00.000 It sounded like he was harvesting human beings.

01:30:02.000 He's like, we grow them here in our lab.

01:30:04.000 Yeah, we grow them in lambs. 0.99

01:30:05.000 Planned Parenthood grows them for us. 0.99

01:30:09.000 The whole thing is ridiculous. 0.95

01:30:10.000 Oh my God, the Planned Parenthood thing is hilarious. 0.94

01:30:12.000 Yeah, the Planned Parenthood thing, we were talking about it earlier in a different podcast. 0.99

01:30:16.000 We were trying to figure out what the fuck was going on with that. 0.98

01:30:19.000 Here's the thing. 0.99

01:30:20.000 What are they supposed to fucking do? 1.00

01:30:21.000 Throw the babies in the trash can? 1.00

01:30:22.000 That's what I said.

01:30:23.000 Yeah, I would like them to, if they are, if abortion is legal, and I think it should be, what are they going to do with the tissue?

01:30:30.000 Wouldn't it be better if that tissue gets used? 0.92

01:30:32.000 But it's a fucking super disturbing video when they start going through the parts. 0.98

01:30:36.000 Right. 0.99

01:30:36.000 And you realize what abortion really is. 0.99

01:30:38.000 You're like, oh, this is inconvenient.

01:30:41.000 It's more convenient for me to think that this is a bundle of cells.

01:30:45.000 Don't really want to see hands.

01:30:46.000 Yeah, I mean, the whole thing is just like, yeah, it's like abortion's legal, and I would rather them utilize the tissue for something that's scientific instead of just throwing it in the garbage can, so...

01:30:57.000 Yeah, that's true.

01:30:58.000 I think what a lot of people were worried about, not just this, is that they were going to somehow or another influence people to do it for money, influence people to have abortions for money.

01:31:07.000 Oh God, that's insane.

01:31:09.000 It is, but it isn't.

01:31:10.000 There's got to be people that are willing to have an abortion for money. 1.00

01:31:13.000 Sure, but what if they get paid?

01:31:15.000 Like Planned Parenthood, wasn't the whole issue that Planned Parenthood was making money selling the tissue, but then they said that that wasn't true?

01:31:21.000 Something along those lines.

01:31:23.000 If there was some black market thing where people could have abortions and sell the tissue, I just don't...

01:31:28.000 Yeah, it's super confusing because the video implies that Planned Parenthood was profiting off of it and that this woman was trying to say that she could sort of structure it so they could make more money. 0.96

01:31:39.000 Look, all I know is Planned Parenthood's fucking great, okay? 0.84

01:31:42.000 I love it. 0.99

01:31:44.000 I think it's great.

01:31:44.000 It gives birth control.

01:31:46.000 I hate babies. 1.00

01:31:47.000 Look, birth control is fucking important, alright? 1.00

01:31:50.000 And people who want to talk shit on Planned Parenthood and talk about this baby thing is just so ridiculous because... 0.99

01:31:56.000 I didn't have healthcare for like three months after I quit RT, and I wanted birth control, and I was just like, what the fuck would I do? 0.99

01:32:03.000 What would I do if Planned Parenthood wasn't here? 1.00

01:32:05.000 What you would do is get a fucking job and buy some goddamn birth control. 1.00

01:32:10.000 How about working for somebody other than Russia that extends your benefits? 1.00

01:32:13.000 There's some shit that you need prescribed. 0.99

01:32:15.000 You don't have unemployment birth control? 1.00

01:32:16.000 You don't just go fucking pick up certain birth controls at the convenience Was it Rush Limbaugh? 0.98

01:32:22.000 That killed Rush Limbaugh's career, wasn't it? 1.00

01:32:24.000 We were talking about some girl being a slut. 1.00

01:32:27.000 That too. 1.00

01:32:27.000 But he was talking about some girl being a slut because she wanted birth control, some college student. 1.00

01:32:33.000 Remember that? 0.99

01:32:33.000 It was like 2012. That was the drop-off. 0.99

01:32:36.000 That was where it ended for Rush Limbaugh.

01:32:38.000 Yeah, Oxy didn't do it.

01:32:39.000 That did it. 1.00

01:32:40.000 Yeah, he was saying a bunch of really rude shit. 1.00

01:32:42.000 Well, he was probably oxied out of his fucking head while he was saying it. 1.00

01:32:46.000 He was nodding off. 1.00

01:32:47.000 He was like, oh, slut! 1.00

01:32:48.000 Fucking breath control! 1.00

01:32:49.000 I'll get you to breath control! 1.00

01:32:50.000 I'll come in your nose! 1.00

01:32:53.000 But that literally ended his career.

01:32:57.000 Yeah.

01:32:58.000 That was like around 2012, if I remember correctly.

01:33:01.000 I'm trying to remember what the story was. 0.99

01:33:03.000 But it was some college girl, and he was calling her a slut. 1.00

01:33:07.000 And I think it was about... 1.00

01:33:08.000 Was she like a rape victim or something? 1.00

01:33:09.000 No, no, no. 1.00

01:33:09.000 That would be ridiculous. 1.00

01:33:10.000 That was even over the top for Rush. 0.90

01:33:13.000 Chris Kyle, rest in peace.

01:33:15.000 I think what he wanted to do was he wanted to...

01:33:18.000 He was mocking her because she was saying that birth control should be a part of some...

01:33:25.000 See if you can find that. 1.00

01:33:27.000 Like, free and shit? 1.00

01:33:28.000 Yeah, Rush Limbaugh, college girl, slut, birth control. 1.00

01:33:32.000 Right, right, right. 1.00

01:33:32.000 Just Google that. 1.00

01:33:33.000 Yeah, it was like, he was, she was saying that it should be a part of her healthcare, I think? 0.98

01:33:39.000 And he was calling her a slut because she wanted birth control. 0.98

01:33:43.000 Right. 0.99

01:33:44.000 I'm like, what? 1.00

01:33:45.000 Dirty whore. 1.00

01:33:46.000 What the fuck, man? 1.00

01:33:47.000 You want her to get pregnant, you dumb fuck? 1.00

01:33:49.000 Yeah, exactly. 1.00

01:33:49.000 Oh, some state... 1.00

01:33:50.000 She shouldn't have sex? 0.99

01:33:51.000 Some state just issued free birth control to this radical idea where they gave free birth control to women and, like, abortion, like... 0.98

01:33:57.000 I got a radical idea. 0.99

01:33:58.000 Abortion, like, fucking plummeted, like, 30%, like, teen pregnancy plummeted. 0.99

01:34:03.000 It's like, wow, who'da thunk it? 1.00

01:34:06.000 Who'da thunk it?

01:34:07.000 Rush Limbaugh calls Georgetown student.

01:34:09.000 Yeah, but let's not get a video.

01:34:10.000 Let's see what the actual facts were.

01:34:13.000 What's that? 1.00

01:34:15.000 Sandra Fluke a slut. 1.00

01:34:17.000 Okay, go ahead. 1.00

01:34:18.000 Play it.

01:34:18.000 Play the audio.

01:34:18.000 Go ahead.

01:34:19.000 For two days, Rush Limbaugh has eviscerated Sandra Fluke on the radio.

01:34:24.000 What does it say about the college co-ed Susan Fluke? 0.98

01:34:30.000 Sandra. 0.96

01:34:31.000 Who goes before a congressional committee and essentially says that she must be paid to have sex. 1.00

01:34:36.000 What does that make her? 1.00

01:34:37.000 Paid to have sex? 0.99

01:34:38.000 What? 1.00

01:34:40.000 It makes her a slut, right? 1.00

01:34:42.000 What is he talking about? 1.00

01:34:43.000 It makes her a prostitute. 1.00

01:34:44.000 She wants to be paid to have sex. 1.00

01:34:46.000 Fluke, a third-year law student at Georgetown, is now the flashpoint in a debate about whether employers should be required to fully cover contraception even if they have religious objectives. 0.95

01:34:56.000 I like how he truncated it to she wants to get paid to have sex. 0.97

01:34:59.000 Okay, we got it. 0.99

01:35:00.000 We got it.

01:35:00.000 But that was it.

01:35:01.000 That was basically it for him. 1.00

01:35:03.000 That fucking killed him. 1.00

01:35:04.000 That guy's done. 1.00

01:35:05.000 It's really fascinating because Rush Limbaugh was...

01:35:07.000 Is he, though?

01:35:08.000 Oh, yeah.

01:35:08.000 He's done.

01:35:09.000 Really?

01:35:09.000 Oh, yeah.

01:35:09.000 His career has dropped off radically.

01:35:12.000 He's in like third, fourth tier markets.

01:35:14.000 Is this like the nappy-headed hoe comment? 1.00

01:35:15.000 Like, was it like that bad?

01:35:17.000 Well, that guy was just... 0.99

01:35:18.000 He's gross. 0.99

01:35:20.000 He's always been gross. 0.99

01:35:21.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:35:21.000 But, yeah, that was just, he was trying to be funny and stupid. 1.00

01:35:25.000 Rush is trying to, like, push his ideology. 0.99

01:35:28.000 Yeah.

01:35:28.000 But that killed that guy.

01:35:30.000 That guy, like, advertisers fleed him en masse after that.

01:35:34.000 It's funny that that's what did it.

01:35:36.000 Not the rampant racism and... 0.99

01:35:39.000 Well, he's just gross. 0.98

01:35:41.000 He was also calling for drug addicts to be... 0.95

01:35:44.000 There was a guy who got prosecuted.

01:35:47.000 I forget what the story was.

01:35:48.000 But a guy who got prosecuted for some drug-related offense.

01:35:53.000 And the... 0.98

01:35:54.000 The fucking judge literally told him when he was sentencing him that he was listening to Rush Limbaugh on the way over and how Rush was saying that we have to give drug abusers a wake-up call and that drug abusers need to know that there's consequences for their actions. 0.99

01:36:12.000 So because of this, I'm gonna fucking sentence you for X amount of blah blah blah blah blah. 0.99

01:36:16.000 And the guy got released because of overcrowding. 0.98

01:36:18.000 I read it online.

01:36:19.000 I forget where I read it from.

01:36:20.000 Drug abusers?

01:36:22.000 Really? 1.00

01:36:22.000 But this was right before Rush got popped for chewing like 90 oxys a day and having his fucking maid go out and buy him for him with her assumed names. 1.00

01:36:33.000 She's wearing a fake mustache and shit. 0.99

01:36:35.000 Oh, my bike is not so good. 1.00

01:36:37.000 And she's buying a fucking... 1.00

01:36:39.000 But this guy was like talking about this crazy shit on the radio while he was popping pills. 1.00

01:36:44.000 That's always how it is, man. 1.00

01:36:45.000 All the anti-gay people always turn out to have the gay prostitutes. 1.00

01:36:49.000 It's like, why are you so obsessed? 0.99

01:36:50.000 We were playing Ted Cruz earlier on the earlier podcast, and I was like, I recognize sounds, okay?

01:36:56.000 There's certain sounds I recognize, right?

01:36:58.000 When you hear a dude talk like this, what do you hear? 0.87

01:37:01.000 You think of a big black man, right? 0.95

01:37:03.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.99

01:37:03.000 When Ted Cruz talks, I hear a gay man. 0.99

01:37:06.000 I hear a gay man. 0.99

01:37:07.000 Dude, that is how he... 0.91

01:37:08.000 Why does he talk?

01:37:08.000 Let's hear it.

01:37:09.000 Let's hear Ted Cruz again.

01:37:10.000 Why does he talk like that? 1.00

01:37:10.000 Because he's gay. 1.00

01:37:11.000 I think he's gay. 1.00

01:37:12.000 He's super conservative. 0.99

01:37:14.000 Super conservative. 1.00

01:37:16.000 My thought is this guy cannot fucking wait to get done talking, just run up, throw on some women's clothes and suck some cock. 1.00

01:37:23.000 He just sounds gay. 1.00

01:37:25.000 Now, I don't know if he's gay, but I've never met anybody that sounds gay that's not gay. 0.89

01:37:29.000 There's nothing wrong with being gay.

01:37:30.000 I want to say this again because I said it on the earlier podcast.

01:37:33.000 There's nothing wrong.

01:37:34.000 I love gay people. 0.99

01:37:35.000 What I don't like is people are gross. 0.96

01:37:37.000 We just don't like any of you who are homophobes in my remarks today is that we need to reassemble the Reagan coalition.

01:37:43.000 We need to bring together all of the different parts that comprise the big tent.

01:37:47.000 What about liberals who, if you got elected president, you'd be their president?

01:37:50.000 What would you say to them?

01:37:50.000 Well, but listen, they're different elements.

01:37:52.000 So you've got, for example, you've got to bring together conservatives and libertarians who've got differing views but shared values.

01:37:58.000 Okay, that's about as straight as he's ever sounded.

01:38:00.000 Find a better one.

01:38:01.000 But it's same-sex marriage ruling. 0.99

01:38:03.000 See, because it's a same-sex marriage ruling, he's like trying to fucking straighten it up. 0.99

01:38:08.000 He's like, I don't want to be confused with any of those homos. 1.00

01:38:14.000 The guy sounds gay. 0.99

01:38:16.000 I don't know if he is gay. 0.98

01:38:17.000 There's nothing wrong with being gay, but he sounds gay. 0.95

01:38:19.000 I'm just saying it. 0.91

01:38:20.000 And people can say I sound gay too. 0.93

01:38:22.000 Go ahead, say it. 1.00

01:38:22.000 I don't give a fuck. 1.00

01:38:24.000 The world is on fire, comments. 1.00

01:38:26.000 The world's on fire.

01:38:28.000 It's on fire.

01:38:29.000 Here we go.

01:38:31.000 I will tell you, you are a major celebrity there.

01:38:34.000 Yeah, well, it's a very small state.

01:38:35.000 Look, I mean, it was impressive.

01:38:38.000 I mean, I was earning major street cred.

01:38:41.000 I mentioned to a couple of folks I was going to be on your show.

01:38:44.000 They were blown away. 0.88

01:38:44.000 That's a gay man. 0.88

01:38:45.000 Stop right there. 0.99

01:38:46.000 That guy should be baking.

01:38:47.000 He sounds totally different than he did in the previous. 1.00

01:38:49.000 He should be naked with a fucking apron on. 1.00

01:38:51.000 Baking. 1.00

01:38:53.000 Wow. 1.00

01:38:54.000 Baking and sucking cock. 1.00

01:38:56.000 That's what Ted Cruz is best. 1.00

01:38:58.000 Those two things.

01:38:59.000 That's what he does best.

01:39:00.000 He's good at cupcakes and cocksucking. 0.99

01:39:01.000 That should be a campaign trail. 1.00

01:39:04.000 Just fucking go for it. 0.99

01:39:05.000 Just go for it. 1.00

01:39:06.000 Just put that on your fucking banner, dude. 1.00

01:39:07.000 There's enough time. 1.00

01:39:08.000 It's still 2015. Okay, November of 2016 is a long time away.

01:39:12.000 Cupcakes and cocksucking. 1.00

01:39:14.000 Ted Cruz.

01:39:14.000 Hillary's got the pantsuits, you get the apron.

01:39:17.000 Get in while it's hot. 0.99

01:39:18.000 A year ago, Caitlyn was Bruce, and no one gave a fuck about him. 0.96

01:39:21.000 Right. 0.95

01:39:21.000 Right? 0.95

01:39:22.000 Right.

01:39:22.000 Now he's Caitlyn, and everybody cares.

01:39:24.000 Right.

01:39:24.000 Everybody loves her.

01:39:25.000 Right.

01:39:25.000 Right?

01:39:26.000 Right. 1.00

01:39:27.000 Cupcakes and cock-sucking for president. 1.00

01:39:29.000 Ted Cruz. 1.00

01:39:30.000 Look at him.

01:39:30.000 Ted, oh my god.

01:39:31.000 That's what's up.

01:39:33.000 Ew.

01:39:33.000 That is, he looks just, he has hollow black eyes.

01:39:36.000 He's just a guy who's just trying to fucking stand out. 0.94

01:39:39.000 Just trying to make, just trying to pick himself up by his bootstraps and make the American dream happen. 0.82

01:39:43.000 It's just always weird.

01:39:44.000 It's just always weird when someone goes, they go that route, anti-same-sex marriage pro.

01:39:51.000 Oh yeah, just going against the grain.

01:39:52.000 It's like, I'm going to still prosecute marijuana users. 0.99

01:39:56.000 There is no place for gays. 1.00

01:39:57.000 Look at that fucking quote. 1.00

01:39:58.000 There is no place for gays or atheists in my America. 1.00

01:40:03.000 None. 0.98

01:40:04.000 Our Constitution makes that clear. 0.98

01:40:06.000 He said that in fucking March of 2010. 2015 at Liberty University. 0.97

01:40:13.000 That is amazing. 0.98

01:40:14.000 There is no place for gays or atheists. 1.00

01:40:16.000 That's so silly. 1.00

01:40:17.000 That's obviously a gay guy. 1.00

01:40:19.000 I hate to quote myself, but there's two types of people that hate gay marriage. 1.00

01:40:22.000 People that are really dumb or people that are secretly worried that dicks are delicious. 1.00

01:40:26.000 Look at him. 1.00

01:40:27.000 Look at him. 1.00

01:40:27.000 That is a vagina. 1.00

01:40:29.000 This is where you stick your penis in. 1.00

01:40:32.000 Don't stick it in my mouth because I'll throw up. 1.00

01:40:34.000 Go ahead, I'll show you. 0.86

01:40:35.000 I'll show you.

01:40:36.000 Stick it in. 0.93

01:40:37.000 Oh, it's disgusting.

01:40:38.000 Bleh. 1.00

01:40:39.000 Don't put it in my butt! 1.00

01:40:45.000 This is the world we live in, Abby Martin. 1.00

01:40:48.000 Is that the Empire?

01:40:49.000 Now, what does a guy like that fit in?

01:40:51.000 Where does a guy like that fit in in the Empire?

01:40:52.000 Is he just like some guy who's scrambling, trying to get attention, running around the outside of the castle?

01:40:57.000 What about me?

01:40:58.000 I can be king.

01:40:59.000 Yeah, that guy's the stooge, right?

01:41:00.000 So you have these...

01:41:01.000 He's not really...

01:41:03.000 He's just a sideshow, you know?

01:41:06.000 I know some people that are having...

01:41:07.000 He's just like Rick Perry of the...

01:41:08.000 Niggerhead Ranch. 1.00

01:41:10.000 What did you say?

01:41:11.000 Did you say that word?

01:41:12.000 N-word ranch.

01:41:13.000 N-word...

01:41:17.000 What is that ranch?

01:41:18.000 What are you talking about?

01:41:19.000 That's Rick Perry's ranch. 1.00

01:41:19.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

01:41:20.000 Yeah, that's his family. 1.00

01:41:21.000 Come on.

01:41:22.000 His family has a ranch called N. No, they don't.

01:41:26.000 Please tell me you're kidding.

01:41:27.000 And he, like, refused to take down the signpost.

01:41:29.000 People, when he was running for president, people were like, are you gonna do, like, a rebranding effort about, like, the ranch that your family owns?

01:41:35.000 And he was like, it's all, like, historical.

01:41:38.000 Oh, no!

01:41:39.000 It's like Aunt Jemima.

01:41:41.000 It's okay.

01:41:44.000 No, is that real?

01:41:45.000 No, that's real.

01:41:47.000 Come on, find that.

01:41:47.000 You gotta find that.

01:41:48.000 And I think he kept his...

01:41:50.000 Oh my god!

01:41:52.000 It's true?

01:41:54.000 Oh my god. 0.90

01:41:55.000 He's got a ranch called Niggerhead. 0.98

01:41:58.000 Oh my god.

01:42:00.000 Is it surprised yet?

01:42:01.000 Yeah, it hasn't either.

01:42:02.000 Oh my god.

01:42:03.000 Perry's version of the events differs in many respects from the recollections of seven people.

01:42:09.000 They said they painted the rock when they saw the offensive word and then painted it over.

01:42:15.000 Oh, ever since, any time I ever saw the rock, it was painted over.

01:42:20.000 Oh my god.

01:42:21.000 My mother and father went to the lease and painted the rock.

01:42:27.000 Went to the lease?

01:42:27.000 What does that mean?

01:42:28.000 Went to the lease and painted the rock.

01:42:30.000 In either 1983 or 1984. It took them that long?!

01:42:35.000 Well, it was not until the 80s that we realized that it was a bad word. 1.00

01:42:38.000 Yeah, that we really had to start respecting the damn black people. 1.00

01:42:41.000 Around Texas. 1.00

01:42:42.000 That's just what we called folks.

01:42:45.000 Wait, and didn't he also keep a dead fetus in his fridge?

01:42:47.000 Oh my God.

01:42:48.000 Is that really the sign that you showed?

01:42:50.000 No, that's fake, right?

01:42:51.000 He kept a dead fetus in his fridge.

01:42:52.000 For what?

01:42:53.000 She put them in the freezer.

01:42:55.000 You don't want to waste those cells.

01:42:57.000 You don't want to throw those in the trash and sell those to criminals.

01:43:00.000 You don't want to sell that to the black market. 1.00

01:43:02.000 Imagine how ironic it would be if it was aborted fetuses that cured the gay. 1.00

01:43:08.000 Can you imagine? 0.99

01:43:09.000 How ironic? 0.84

01:43:10.000 You needed an aborted fetus. 1.00

01:43:13.000 Rick Santorum's dead baby ritual? 0.82

01:43:15.000 What is that?

01:43:16.000 I don't want to see that.

01:43:18.000 I'm getting bummed out.

01:43:19.000 Anyway.

01:43:20.000 I gotta end this thing in about five minutes. 0.99

01:43:22.000 Oh shit, really? 0.99

01:43:23.000 Yeah, unfortunately I got a crazy day. 1.00

01:43:25.000 Oh, no way.

01:43:26.000 Well.

01:43:28.000 Anything else?

01:43:28.000 Anything else going on?

01:43:30.000 Just everyone check out the Grand Staircase.

01:43:32.000 What's going on with your art?

01:43:34.000 You have beautiful art.

01:43:34.000 You were in town doing some art.

01:43:36.000 Yeah, I did an art show called Cosmos and Self, and I'm actually doing another one in two days.

01:43:40.000 Everyone should check it out if they live in the LA area called Ethos Space.

01:43:43.000 It's gonna be in downtown LA. Check it out.

01:43:45.000 Downtown's a freaky spot now, isn't it? 0.98

01:43:47.000 Downtown's fucking awesome, man. 0.96

01:43:48.000 We live in the fashion district in some crazy warehouse. 0.99

01:43:50.000 It's epic.

01:43:50.000 Don't say where you live.

01:43:51.000 I'm moving in three days, so it's fine.

01:43:54.000 Now you're gone.

01:43:54.000 Yeah.

01:43:55.000 Like a ghost.

01:43:55.000 Ghost out.

01:43:56.000 There's a lot of freaky spots down there.

01:43:59.000 Yeah.

01:43:59.000 Like, you gotta make sure you don't go the wrong way.

01:44:02.000 I mean, Skid Row's right fucking there. 0.97

01:44:02.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.97

01:44:03.000 Which is crazy. 0.96

01:44:03.000 It's like, yeah, I'm sure that you've seen, you know, you've traveled to a lot of countries, seen a lot of horrible poverty, went to Haiti, saw bad things, but then there's really nothing that compares to Skid Row because it's this crazy community Living on the fucking street just taking over downtown LA like excess of humanity that's just spilled out Mentally ill drug. 0.96

01:44:24.000 I mean, they're just like shooting up in the street taking a shit It's it's fucking nuts thousands of them thousands Yeah, and it's blocks and blocks and blocks just like society is just like abandoned this portion of their people It's very surreal and really scary and we live right by there. 0.62

01:44:39.000 It's an interesting thing You know someone wants to look them and go how do we capitalize in this market? 0.99

01:44:43.000 So many people right there. 0.99

01:44:44.000 They all have similar interests It's a fucking crazy scene. 0.97

01:45:00.000 I remember the first time I was there, we were filming Fear Factory downtown and we were real close to it and someone brought it up and we drove by and I was like, you gotta be I'm fucking kidding. 0.97

01:45:10.000 This is real. 0.78

01:45:11.000 It's real.

01:45:11.000 It's super big.

01:45:13.000 And there's just no one.

01:45:14.000 What do you do? 1.00

01:45:15.000 Most of them are just mentally ill and drug addicts. 0.99

01:45:17.000 So it's like you don't... 0.95

01:45:18.000 What can you do other than provide services like that?

01:45:21.000 It's very just... 0.99

01:45:22.000 And then one of the fucking tents, it's so bizarre, has a giant American flag in it. 0.99

01:45:27.000 And you're like, I'm glad that you are still... 0.99

01:45:31.000 America.

01:45:32.000 All about America.

01:45:33.000 America.

01:45:34.000 Well, it's not America's fault that I'm out here.

01:45:37.000 It's my fault.

01:45:37.000 I'm the one who smoked a crack.

01:45:39.000 Uncle Sam didn't put that crack pipe in my mouth.

01:45:41.000 You didn't work hard enough. 1.00

01:45:43.000 Yeah, well, there's a lot of mentally ill people.

01:45:46.000 During the Reagan administration, they sort of changed the rules for what made you mentally ill and what, you know, what the distinctions were, and that's when they sort of opened up the doors and let all these people out on the street.

01:45:55.000 I remember it, like, really, really clearly when I was a kid, because there was a big debate, like, oh, like, wait a minute, you can't, there's a lot of people that are like, you can't fucking do this, you can't just change the classification For people that have mental illness, but they did and all throughout New York and Boston there was like all these like new Mentally ill people wandering around the streets.

01:46:17.000 It was like a real clear moment.

01:46:19.000 Yeah there I just read the statistic that homelessness has gone up like 25% in the last four years and just in LA of people living in homes on freeway overpasses and shit and I remember like I posted I swear to god and I remember I posted and someone was like dude just move out they can't afford LA just move out and I'm like We can't afford to move.

01:46:39.000 Once you go homeless, you don't have any money.

01:46:42.000 Like, what?

01:46:44.000 Dude, speaking of, really quickly before we wrap it up, I wanted to tell you, we should talk about Cuba next time because I went there and did a whole report on it, but zero homelessness.

01:46:51.000 That was the most iconic thing about being in Cuba.

01:46:54.000 No trash, no homelessness.

01:46:55.000 Because everyone has their basic needs.

01:46:58.000 The shelter.

01:46:59.000 And there's a ration system and stuff.

01:47:01.000 But it was just interesting to see the low crime rate when people have basic shelter and healthcare.

01:47:08.000 A lot of problems.

01:47:10.000 Still very interesting.

01:47:11.000 Because it was very different than every other Latin American country. 0.98

01:47:15.000 I was just like, holy shit, there's no homeless people. 0.98

01:47:17.000 No beggars and no... 1.00

01:47:19.000 That's interesting.

01:47:20.000 I mean, it's obviously not an ideal environment because you're forced into certain jobs and they kind of decide what you do and don't do.

01:47:26.000 You aren't forced into certain jobs.

01:47:27.000 You're not?

01:47:27.000 Nope.

01:47:28.000 That's bullshit? 0.99

01:47:28.000 What about for athletes? 0.99

01:47:30.000 Don't they do that for athletes?

01:47:31.000 So that's what my friend who's an economist actually, when I came back from incubation, was like, so how is it?

01:47:35.000 Like, everyone's assigned a job.

01:47:37.000 And I was like, no, it's not like a brave new world where babies are born in incubators and like trained to be like, you're a doctor, you're a florist, you're this.

01:47:43.000 It's not like that at all.

01:47:44.000 And, you know, there is a ration system and they do get paid very little.

01:47:49.000 But it's just interesting because people just have a completely different mindset.

01:47:52.000 Like, I remember I spoke to a bunch of doctors and I was like, why are you a doctor?

01:47:55.000 You're not getting paid anything.

01:47:57.000 And they're like, why would I care about it?

01:47:59.000 They're like, I'm helping my community and family.

01:48:01.000 It's just like a totally, like a wall of understanding.

01:48:05.000 I'm like, I'm coming from the hub of capitalism and I'm like, I don't understand the incentive.

01:48:10.000 Right.

01:48:10.000 So it was really, really fascinating.

01:48:13.000 But I'd recommend everyone check out the Cuba series I did on Breaking the Set if you want to learn more.

01:48:18.000 And check out Ethos Space.

01:48:20.000 AbbyMartin.org is my art.

01:48:21.000 The people that have lived there in Cuba really hated it.

01:48:24.000 They hated the oppression.

01:48:25.000 They hated the way they were treated.

01:48:27.000 They escaped because they had more opportunity in America.

01:48:30.000 Well, here's the thing.

01:48:30.000 There's three laws.

01:48:30.000 Especially athletes.

01:48:31.000 There's three laws that America has created.

01:48:33.000 Put into place that coax defectors.

01:48:36.000 So one of them is basically trying to subvert Cuba's whole medical internationalism. 0.97

01:48:40.000 So Cuba has been forced into this, like, because of the blockade and the embargo, they've been forced into, like, total fucking self. 0.95

01:48:48.000 Like, you know what I mean? 0.98

01:48:49.000 Like, they have, like, all organics, and they've, like, like, maintained these old cars, and they, like, don't let anything break down and shit. 0.82

01:48:54.000 Kind of cool in a way.

01:48:55.000 So they've also developed, instead of invading countries and bombing the shit out of people, they've also developed an entire, like, medical thing for their, like, So they basically lease out doctors around the world.

01:49:06.000 Even when you go back to, you know, the Haiti earthquake, they were the first country that sent out the biggest contingent of doctors.

01:49:12.000 Ebola, biggest contingent of doctors.

01:49:13.000 So they basically lease out, like, doctors to get oil from Venezuela, to, like, get help. 0.96

01:49:18.000 It's interesting because people are like, oh, well, they're, you know, they're, like, creating doctors to, like, just get oil and shit.

01:49:24.000 It's like, well, they're doing what they can with the resources that they have.

01:49:27.000 They're under a very crippling economic embargo.

01:49:30.000 They have subversion programs going on through USAID every year.

01:49:33.000 Despite the normalization process that's going on, the USAID is still spending $20 million a year to subvert Cuba's political process.

01:49:41.000 So we've subverted the hip-hop movement there.

01:49:43.000 We've created a fake HIV program.

01:49:44.000 We've created a fake Twitter called Zunzunio that's tried to get people against Castro.

01:49:49.000 But the most disturbing part is this medical internationalism, where you have 75,000 doctors Working around the world on all these fronts and the US has created a law that said you can defect to the US and become a doctor here and just leave your post.

01:50:04.000 So it's like why are we trying to like subvert like actual medical missions and humanitarian missions that Cuba is doing? 0.74

01:50:10.000 Really the only reason is because we want to subvert the socialist government that survived after the Cold War that we still fucking can't accept.

01:50:19.000 And there's also the wet foot, dry foot policy that offers Cuban immigrants, no other immigrant in the world has this, where you can just come here and just be an American citizen if you're Cuban. 0.96

01:50:28.000 Is that the case?

01:50:28.000 No questions asked.

01:50:29.000 Wet foot, dry foot.

01:50:30.000 Still?

01:50:30.000 Yep.

01:50:31.000 Wow. 1.00

01:50:32.000 That must suck for Mexicans. 1.00

01:50:42.000 I did not know that that's fascinating it's really fascinating you should have a conversation with Joey Diaz he'd be fucking screaming right yeah came over on a boat yeah and you know a lot of people Look, when you're Cuban and you're on a ration system and you're living in this country that's kind of isolated and you're like watching American movies and you're like, 0.99

01:51:01.000 why the fuck am I here when I can be there? 0.90

01:51:04.000 You know, and you're seeing mountains of cocaine and AKs and shit and you're like, why are you... 0.99

01:51:09.000 But the problem is a lot of doctors defect and they come over here and then they're caught for years and years and years. 0.88

01:51:14.000 Their license doesn't apply.

01:51:16.000 They end up being like a waitress in a restaurant for a decade trying to become a practicing doctor.

01:51:22.000 But when I was over there, not only do they have free healthcare obviously for everyone in the country, but they also have an international medical school that trains doctors.

01:51:29.000 Whoever wants to train all over the world can go and just be a doctor for free.

01:51:32.000 So I met like 20 Americans who were there and I was like, why are you here getting your medical license? 0.93

01:51:36.000 And they're like, because I don't want to fucking be $100,000 in debt in America.

01:51:41.000 And they're like, I'm here to get my medical license so then I can go train and be a doctor. 0.96

01:51:45.000 Wow.

01:51:45.000 Free.

01:51:47.000 So, a lot of shit can be talked about how things are run, but it's a totally different society when you have basic needs met and when healthcare and, like, humans come first out of necessity because of the blockade, because they had to create this, not necessarily of altruism, 0.98

01:52:03.000 but it's evolved into such an insane just dichotomy of how society has, like, functioned. 0.96

01:52:10.000 Super interesting.

01:52:11.000 Well, it's gonna be fascinating now the embargo has been lifted.

01:52:15.000 It's going to be lifted.

01:52:16.000 It's still not.

01:52:17.000 So now all they've done is lift travel restrictions.

01:52:19.000 Yeah.

01:52:19.000 So now they've lifted travel restrictions.

01:52:20.000 And now Raul has like opened up some private enterprise and stuff.

01:52:23.000 And that was a whole diplomatic process within the country, too, where they lifted some economic things.

01:52:28.000 So now private businesses can flourish.

01:52:30.000 And so it's opening up because they've realized that they can't obviously have it like that forever, especially now that the travel's lifted.

01:52:36.000 But it's going to be really interesting to see what happens, especially now that the U.S. still has this subversion tactics going on, these programs in place that encourage people to defect, and then also Gitmo.

01:52:45.000 It's a perpetual occupation of fucking Cuba that Raul has said time and again, give us Guantanamo Bay, you leased it under false pretenses, we really want it back, and the U.S. says it's off the table.

01:52:55.000 So that's the way the empire works. 0.98

01:52:58.000 We don't give back bases.

01:53:00.000 So, how does that, we, like, leased it?

01:53:03.000 1903, we leased the Guantanamo Bay Naval Base, which is a giant swath of land for, like, a, you know, housing port.

01:53:09.000 But it's connected to Cuba.

01:53:10.000 It's on Cuba.

01:53:11.000 It's in Cuba.

01:53:12.000 So, we leased it then when we were allies.

01:53:14.000 Batista was our boy. 0.99

01:53:16.000 Batista was, like, a corporate fucking lord, you know? 0.97

01:53:19.000 And so we had all these private enterprises in Cuba, and then the Socialist Revolution happened, and then... 0.98

01:53:24.000 The lease agreement said this has to be agreed by both parties to continue.

01:53:30.000 Or, I'm sorry, to dissolve.

01:53:31.000 And then when the Cuban Revolution happened, Cuba was like, give us back Guantanamo.

01:53:35.000 And the U.S. was like, you know what?

01:53:36.000 We don't agree to that.

01:53:37.000 So we're just going to keep it.

01:53:40.000 and they never accepted a dime they never cashed a dime for the rent of the lease after the 1956 or whatever the um the revolution was so yeah it was it was that's really disturbing to me because i'm like dude just give them back i'm going to pay like you can pretend that we're normal with cuba but it's never going to be normal unless you give them some respect and if you're so scared of socialism and if you are so sure that socialism is a failure then let them fail on their own lift the blockade and let Let's Cuba just function,

01:54:07.000 and let's see what happens.

01:54:08.000 But right now, it's been so crippled in so many ways that it's impossible to really know what the country would be like without U.S. interference.

01:54:15.000 Well, it's very bizarre that we're allowed to trade with all sorts of different countries that are accused of all sorts of different heinous crimes against humanity, but we can't with Cuba. 0.99

01:54:25.000 I mean, just think about all the different countries that we're allowed to trade with.

01:54:28.000 It's fine.

01:54:29.000 You can go to the Congo right now and hang out with warlords. 1.00

01:54:32.000 You can do whatever the fuck you want. 1.00

01:54:34.000 Saudi Arabia, we go back and forth with them all the time. 1.00

01:54:36.000 Chicks just got the right to vote. 1.00

01:54:39.000 Did you hear that?

01:54:40.000 Like in recent weeks?

01:54:42.000 Yes.

01:54:43.000 It was in the news yesterday.

01:54:45.000 Pull it off my Twitter, Jamie.

01:54:47.000 Yeah.

01:54:47.000 Saudi Arabia, women in Saudi Arabia are going to get the right to vote.

01:54:52.000 Hallelujah!

01:54:53.000 Look, it's 2015. Take off your burqas, women? 1.00

01:54:59.000 Nope.

01:54:59.000 Not allowed to do that.

01:55:00.000 We haven't liberated them yet.

01:55:01.000 No.

01:55:02.000 Well, I live in Iran. 1.00

01:55:03.000 They wear just fucking tons of makeup. 1.00

01:55:05.000 They look hot as fuck. 1.00

01:55:06.000 They wear skin-tight clothes because you're not allowed to show shit, but they wear yoga pants, like a total workaround. 1.00

01:55:12.000 But they have to have that thing in their head. 0.99

01:55:13.000 Women are allowed to vote in Saudi Arabia for the first time in history. 1.00

01:55:16.000 Holy shit. 1.00

01:55:16.000 Isn't that nuts? 1.00

01:55:17.000 August 24th, 2015. Bam!

01:55:21.000 15th?

01:55:22.000 I guess not 15. For the first time in the country's history, women in Saudi Arabia have been given the right to vote and stand as political candidates in the upcoming elections.

01:55:29.000 Wow.

01:55:30.000 Isn't that amazing?

01:55:31.000 Don't show your ankles.

01:55:33.000 Don't drive.

01:55:34.000 Don't show your ankles.

01:55:35.000 I guess the man needs to escort them to the voting booths because they still can't do anything without a mail permission.

01:55:41.000 Of course.

01:55:42.000 They can't even drive yet.

01:55:43.000 They can vote and they can't drive. 1.00

01:55:45.000 You know the former King Abdullah, sorry, praise be with him, fucking... 1.00

01:55:50.000 Peace be upon him. 0.99

01:55:51.000 Peace be upon Abdullah.

01:55:53.000 But no, his daughters are trapped in a dungeon, being starved.

01:55:57.000 What?

01:55:57.000 Yeah, they're like living underground in some bunker that they're trapped.

01:56:01.000 They did an interview with someone saying, like, help us.

01:56:05.000 We disobeyed our father and we're being punished for... 1.00

01:56:08.000 Oh, fuck. 1.00

01:56:08.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:56:09.000 It's super crazy.

01:56:10.000 Look it up.

01:56:11.000 Grand Staircase.

01:56:12.000 Everyone go to the Grand Staircase.

01:56:13.000 Every time I talk to Abby Martin, she gives me more depressing things to look up.

01:56:18.000 This is always awesome talking to you.

01:56:20.000 It's so awesome talking to you.

01:56:20.000 Thank you so much for inviting me.

01:56:22.000 Anytime, my friend. 0.99

01:56:23.000 Alright, that's it for today, you fucks. 1.00

01:56:25.000 We love the shit out of you, and we'll see you soon. 1.00

01:56:27.000 Bye-bye. 0.51

01:56:27.000 Big kiss. 0.51

The Joe Rogan Experience - August 25, 2015

Joe Rogan Experience #689 - Abby Martin

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