Dr. Mark Gordon and Andrew Marr, founders of the Warrior Angels Foundation, join Dr. Kelly to discuss the impact of traumatic brain injury on soldiers returning home from active duty and post-deployment. Dr. Gordon and Dr. Marr explain the science behind the new treatment protocols and how they can improve soldiers' quality of life. They discuss the benefits of the new treatments, and how the Veterans Administration should respond to the growing need for these new options. They also discuss the risks and benefits of these new treatments and how you can be a part of the movement to get them implemented on both sides of the fence. If you're interested in becoming a Warrior Angler, you can get in touch with us at WarriorAnglersFoundation@warrioranglers.org and we'll get you all the details you need to know about the Warrior Anglers Foundation and how to get your own free treatment for TBI. Thanks for listening and Happy Veterans Day! Don't Tell Mom: e-mail us what you like and don't like about this episode. . or share it on your social media! if you have a question or would like to respond to this episode, we'll be listening to it on next week's episode! Thank you for supporting the podcast! Timestamps: 1:00 - What's the worst thing you've eaten in the past week? 2:30 - What do you've ever eaten? 3:15 - How did you feel about a certain food? 4:20 - What is your favorite thing? 5:00 6: How do you like a certain animal? 7:40 - What are you looking forward to eat? 8: What's your favorite part of a meal? 9:00 Do you like it? 11:00 What s your favorite type of animal? or are you're not allowed to eat in a restaurant? 12:00 Can I eat it again? 13:00 How do I like it more? 14:00 Is it better than that? 15:00 Why do you think it's better than your brain injury? 16: What is it better? 17:40 15, what do you're going to eat it more than you're better than you don t have a dog? 18:30 19:00 Does it make you feel like it's more important?
00:00:01.000Before you take any of Dr. Gordon's advice, I just want you to know, folks, he's scared of shrimp, shellfish, pork, he's never had wild game, and he refuses to eat outside of a very narrow dietary discipline.
00:01:27.000Our mission is to get no-cost traumatic brain injury treatment to veterans who need it.
00:01:32.000So it's an alternative means to get guys treatment outside of the medical model, which is predicated on medication and psychotherapy, which does not improve quality of life.
00:01:44.000Is that changing at all because of, you know, all the work that Dr. Gordon has been doing and there's been a lot of...
00:01:50.000I've heard outside of you even mention of your name, people bringing up your therapies and the things that you've been promoting for several years.
00:01:57.000Is that changing in the community at all?
00:02:10.000and works of getting with the Veterans Administration So we're going, they're going to know everything across the board about these protocols, why they work, why they're better, how they're cost efficient, how they're time efficient, how this can not only improve a soldier's life,
00:02:27.000but the life of the family, child, second order effects, go on and on and on.
00:02:37.000Everything is science, evidence-based.
00:02:40.000Reporting that we're doing and based off Dr. Gordon's clinical application of years and years of doing it.
00:02:46.000So the short answer is yes, they're hearing about it and we have a five-year plan to overtake the system and have them implement these on both sides of the house, so to speak.
00:02:56.000Now, for people who haven't heard any of our podcasts before and haven't heard your discussion about it, one of the biggest issues that we're experiencing with soldiers coming back from Afghanistan and Iraq is, if you hear my voice, I've got a little bit of a cold, ladies and gentlemen.
00:03:18.000A lot of soldiers are coming back from these wars with injuries that may have been fatal in the past.
00:03:28.000They're no longer because of all these advancements in medical technology.
00:03:32.000They're still dealing with the ongoing effects of the war, the traumatic brain injury.
00:03:37.000Now, what you have found, and many others have supported this, is that a lot of this is there's damage to the pituitary gland, it stops the production of hormones, this leads to deep depression, it leads to some pretty significant issues that soldiers are facing.
00:03:51.000So if you could just fill people in on that.
00:03:54.000What we found is that because of the body armor being so efficient, a lot of the blast damage instead of killing someone is leaving them with trauma to the brain.
00:04:05.000And any form of trauma to the brain, whether or not it's a blast trauma, being hit on the head, slip and fall, an automobile accident, turning upside down, or whatever the situation might be, The brain changes its chemistry because of inflammation, and that's from tearing of little nerves.
00:04:20.000It's not only the pituitary, and that's been some of the problem that we've had, is focusing, as I focus on a narrow kind of diet, focusing in on just the pituitary.
00:04:29.000But what we found is a group of chemistry in the brain called neurosteroids, which regulate our personality.
00:04:36.000And some of those neurosteroids have names like testosterone or dihydrotestosterone, estrogen, pregnenolone.
00:04:41.000And the literature has been around since about 1986 showing that these regulate our brain function.
00:04:48.000So head trauma of any sort can cause it to decrease, number one.
00:04:52.000Number two, with any form of damage to the brain you get inflammation.
00:04:57.000And that inflammation expands, let's say, if there was a small area of tear in the brain or a bullet that penetrated a penetrating injury to the head, that area where the bullet or the foreign object diminished the amount of brain tissue, it grows larger because of inflammation.
00:05:15.000And the more cells in the brain that are called neurons are destroyed, the greater the onset of cognitive impairment, your ability to use your brain in function, And then emotionality changes.
00:05:28.000Now, how did you get involved in this?
00:05:30.000And how did you figure out what so many people hadn't figured out?
00:05:33.000With the emphasis on therapy and pain medication, antidepressants, how did you see through that?
00:05:39.000Well, I really didn't discover anything.
00:05:41.000All I did was, in reading the literature as much as I read it, saw that people had already laid the pathway for me to follow.
00:05:49.000And I followed it intensely for the past Well, 21 years doing endocrinology and the past 10 years doing specifically neuroendocrinology, which deals with the brain.
00:05:57.000And it's in my population of patients.
00:06:00.000I used to see them for hormone deficiency and then started going back asking them, those with the hormone deficiency, if they've had any kind of head trauma.
00:06:09.000In the first book that I wrote, which had the first introduction for me to write about traumatic brain injury and hormone deficiency, was a young kid by the name of Michael who had come to me.
00:06:20.000His parents brought him in and he had hormone deficiency and we corrected.
00:06:26.000And then read an article, which I've shared with you in the past, which came out of Turkey, about pugilists who had this specific growth hormone deficiency, and that was my epiphany article, where I started looking further and further into literature, and Muhtay, they had hormone deficiency,
00:07:04.000So that set the stage for me to start looking at this relationship between any kind of head trauma, and then in 2007, my first military was a Green Beret.
00:07:15.000I met the wife, who was an emergency room doc in North Carolina, and she called me and told me about her husband, who was six tours of duty, was having some problems.
00:07:27.000We donated the money for him to get the full testing and it turned out he was hormone deficient.
00:07:31.000When we corrected his hormones, he was back in the good light with the military.
00:07:37.000He was getting ready to get kicked out for insubordination.
00:07:40.000And that progressed on in 2009 with opening up our practice to military.
00:07:48.000The same pattern, the same head trauma, blast injury, and hormone deficiency.
00:07:54.000And now, how's this being received in the rest of the medical community?
00:07:59.000Well, this is an uphill battle because the way it's being treated presently, if you look at the literature from 2012, 410,000 servicemen came back as veterans and were diagnosed with PTSD. Now,
00:08:17.000post-traumatic stress disorder is usually perceived as being a psychologically precipitated event where they witnessed something that was horrifying to them.
00:08:27.000Death of a friend, loss of a limb, or whatever the situation might have been to stimulate it.
00:08:32.000And that immediately opened them up to simple treatment.
00:08:36.000Here, take this packet of antidepressants and you'll get better.
00:08:41.000So they didn't get better because they were having what's called treatment-resistant depression, which now we find is due to hormonal deficiency.
00:08:48.000If you look at the civilian population, people with treatment-resistant depression, you check them out and they're testosterone deficient or estrogen overdose or low progesterone.
00:09:00.000Or low-pregnenolone, other chemicals that are in our brain.
00:09:04.000And these individuals have been the foundation of what I do in trying to find a simple way to replenish them.
00:09:20.000It's so much easier just to hand a packet and say you have PTSD when the majority of them are traumatic brain injury.
00:09:26.000And I was on Dr. Drew's show with one of our patients who was an army corpsman and he didn't have a single scratch on his body.
00:09:36.000But within two years of leaving, separating from the service, he started developing depression, mood swings, explosive personality.
00:09:43.000He ends up coming into our program And we find out he has two and a half hormone deficiencies, and the pattern is indicative of having had head trauma.
00:09:51.000Well, it turned out he would walk behind Abramson tanks as they were discharging their shells, and he said, man, my body would shudder.
00:09:58.000And he was around javelin missiles, he was around repetitive gunfire.
00:10:03.000He personally didn't have a scratch on him.
00:10:04.000That's incredible that just the recoil, just the boom, just the sonic boom, the impact, that that, you know, shocking his body can do that to you.
00:10:38.000N-acylcysteine, it's a precursor to glutathione, which is the number one anti-inflammatory, excuse me, anti-free radical antioxidant system in our brain.
00:11:00.000Glutathione helps with metabolism in the liver to detoxify.
00:11:03.000Here's the thing about NAC, though, also that Mark told me, and I'm on that product, but if I was taking that while I was still operating, the problems that I had never would have happened.
00:11:15.000So we can essentially cut off these problems just by Being proactive and preventative in this way.
00:11:21.000So if we were right now today to administer to all Special Operations Soldiers, NAC, a lot of these problems that we're having, out the window.
00:12:05.000And we got involved with the Intrepid Foundation, I believe it's called Intrepid Foundation for Excellence.
00:12:13.000You find out how little money the government gives them, and how much they have to raise outside, and doing functions like these big UFC events, and that to me was one of the most disturbing things about those events.
00:12:30.000I'm like, how is it possible that we can have all this money for all these different missions, all this money for all these different things, but we don't have money to take care of these guys when they come back home?
00:12:49.000If you count on soldiers to do what you ask of them and put their body on the line to complete missions, and then you don't take care of them when they come back, how do you ever expect anybody to be patriotic?
00:13:50.000I feel like the bureaucrats, the people that are in the air-conditioned offices that are, you know, deciding where money goes, they don't have a stake in it.
00:16:28.000I was only knocked unconscious one time in combat.
00:16:31.000But the thing that Mark was saying, and this goes outside the veteran population, this goes with anybody, but the symptoms can come in months, Weeks, years, days, whatever.
00:17:06.000I wouldn't be able to perform like this and all of a sudden I just can't do it.
00:17:09.000And, and, um, So that was just very frustrating, you know, in that regard, trying to come out and try to find some real answers.
00:17:18.000And only, like Mark said, what it takes is an individualized approach, right?
00:17:24.000And that uses evidence-based diagnostics to pinpoint and treat the underlying condition.
00:17:28.000But nobody was trying to figure out my whole, you know, story.
00:17:33.000And when you don't do that, you just find out what the symptoms are and you treat those symptoms with medication, then you're not doing anything to fix it.
00:17:42.000So that's kind of why it's hard for, I think, the medical community to understand it right now, because if you have a problem and you can't necessarily attribute that to a major accident or a major injury or a major explosion, then it's like, okay, well, we don't know what it is.
00:17:59.000We're going to put him on packet A, and we'll see how he is in two weeks.
00:18:03.000Yeah, that expression, psychological issue, is a real tricky one, isn't it?
00:18:07.000Because your psychological makeup, a lot of times, is dependent upon your physical health.
00:18:13.000And what's going on in your body can greatly affect your mind, but when someone says psychological issue, especially for a guy like you, what they're trying to say is that you're weak.
00:18:26.000And that you're cracking, and this is what it is.
00:18:28.000The integrity, it's called comorbid, and this is an argument that's going back between the psychiatric world and the non-psychiatric world.
00:18:39.000Where in comorbid, which came first, the situation that precipitated depression or the depression that develops the situation?
00:18:47.000In this particular instance relative to Andrew, his chemistry of his body was doing great until he had that group of insults to him, whether or not it was that huge truck that got blown up 100 feet in the air and you got the shockwave that knocked you out.
00:19:05.000Or the repetitive gunfire that you had or the breaching that you were doing.
00:19:10.000How many licks does it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Roll Pop?
00:19:14.000So what happens is as you start losing these hormones, I mean, one of the hormones that I've repeated a number of times and I'll repeat again, pregnenolone has been found to control the anxiety effect in the body, in the brain.
00:19:27.000So morning anxiety or pregnenolone or social anxiety Can be affected and you know I have patients who have been in auto accidents who've never had anxiety attacks or panic attacks and they wake up six months after the injury and they've got morning anxiety.
00:19:46.000Their pregnenolone levels instead of being average about 110 or down at six or seven you correct them back to 110 their anxiety disappears.
00:20:02.000It's the first Hormone or steroid hormone, official steroid hormone that comes off of cholesterol.
00:20:08.000So if we interrupt cholesterol in our body, we lose pregnenolone, which becomes the precursor to DHEA and testosterone on one side and progesterone and cortisol on another side.
00:20:23.000With low pregnenolone, it can lead to all the hormones that help to regulate our brain function and our life.
00:20:30.000Cortisol, if you don't have cortisol, you get a syndrome called Adson's disease, and you can die.
00:20:34.000And most people associate cortisol with high levels of it being problematic, right?
00:20:40.000And, you know, everybody thinks it's emotional stress, but there are five stressors.
00:20:44.000You know, there's Emotional or intellectual stress, emotional stress, physical stress, nutritional stress can precipitate high amounts of cortisol.
00:20:54.000And then there's chemical stress like chemotherapy or certain medication that you take, alcohol too, certain drugs can do it.
00:21:01.000And they can influence the adrenal glands production of cortisol, which is called an adaptogen, which allows you to go from one level of physical functioning, mental functioning to another.
00:21:14.000You know, I gotta tell you, when I have these conversations with you about this issue, it's kind of frustrating to me because it seems like you're making all this sense and you're talking about this broad spectrum of different hormones and all these different variables that exist in the human mind and how important they are to maintain proper levels of them for health,
00:21:44.000He's like, this is like 1960, and we're saying we were going to put a man on the moon by 1969, and everybody says, you guys are batshit crazy.
00:21:54.000It seems like, is it because there's not a lot of motivation for innovation when it comes to treatment?
00:22:03.000What's the resistance to understanding all these different variables?
00:22:07.000If for 30 plus years you've been told that you treat depression by giving this pill, that's either an SSRI or an ABCD or whatever it is, You're going to give that pill.
00:22:18.000And if someone comes in, a kook comes in and says, look it, the literature for the past 35 years, even as far back as 1958 with DHEA showing that DHEA is antidepressant, you come in with these natural products that have no patents on it,
00:22:36.000That you can walk into a GNC, you can get it from Onnit, you can get it from any of these companies, and take it natural, 100% natural coming from Mexican wild yams, and it fixes your depression.
00:22:48.000And it costs you 3 cents a day, 5 cents a day, 10 cents a day, as opposed to the cost for some of these other medication.
00:23:08.000And it's an uphill battle in the way that I approach it with my science background, not just medical, but the science research I did in the beginning.
00:23:17.000Is to line up all the information, irrefutable information, and hand it to someone and read it.
00:23:25.000See, for a dummy like me, who's obviously on the outside of all this, what frustrates me...
00:23:54.000But what I'm saying is, for someone like me that has zero science background, what I always assume is that the way things got better and the way people figured things out is that they just looked at the facts and then when new facts came in, they adjusted accordingly.
00:24:09.000But it seems like there's resistance against that.
00:24:12.000The status quo is very clearly we hand everybody this antidepressant.
00:24:17.000We're not going to hand them this natural product that's been shown since 1986, 1958 on another large group of research to be beneficial, double-blind, washout studies for benefit and depression.
00:24:31.000They don't want to use natural products because it's, in essence, as I see it, stating that, well, you don't really need the pharmaceutical.
00:24:42.000So do you think there's just so much money involved in pushing the pharmaceutical drugs that these doctors are reluctant to go against it or not prescribe it or to step out on a limb?
00:24:52.000Well, you know, the The medical community, the medical boards of every state, it's the standard of care in your community, which means that if there are 100 doctors in a community of physicians and the standard for 99% of them is to use SSRI,
00:25:12.000the one doctor who uses a non-SSRI can be pulled into the medical board as practicing outside the scope of The medical community, as well as doctors in general don't want to be looked at as being that one person who is trying to introduce something new,
00:25:30.000revolutionary, something that's worked, something they worked very diligently at for 21 years to show the science and the clinical cases that it works.
00:25:38.000It's a maverick, and our medical society doesn't work with mavericks.
00:25:44.000There's a lot of forces that are kind of stacked up against it, but that doesn't mean that That's a reason to cower and not stand up to it, right?
00:25:51.000I mean, it's either right or it isn't right.
00:25:53.000And we're saying, Dr. Gordon is right.
00:25:56.000And we're going to fight it to our last breath to change it.
00:26:00.000I mean, 300 million people in America are on antidepressants.
00:26:04.000And if you're on an antidepressant and you're still depressed, guess what?
00:26:07.000That's probably not the underlying condition.
00:26:10.000What science has shown us is a hormonal imbalance.
00:26:14.000We're able to interdict that and effectively treat it.
00:26:16.000And the problem is, you know, using the term hormone.
00:26:19.000I've been slowly getting away from the term hormone.
00:26:27.000It was found in 1986 by Dr. Blue out of Belou, out of Paris, France, that the brain has the Chemistry.
00:26:36.000To take cholesterol and to make it into testosterone, make it into pregnenolone, make it into progesterone, allopregnanolone in the brain.
00:26:44.000For many, many years, biopsies of the brain would find testosterone in it and they thought it came from, you know, your testicles or thyroid in the brain.
00:26:51.000It came from your thyroid gland in the neck.
00:26:53.000What we're finding is neurosteroids are made, what we call de novo, within the brain itself.
00:27:01.000And when you have trauma or inflammation you lose that and that's why I believe based on reading the literature and my interpretation that's what could be faulted how I interpret it is that that is the cause for all the transitions in the brain but there are receptors in the brain that regulate how nerves conduct and what they found is these nerves have not only magnesium zinc there's a valium receptor and they found a pregnenolone receptor So they found a receptor which pregnenolone
00:27:31.000works to regulate, to smooth out, to calm you down so that you're not having panic attacks or emotional turpitude and yelling, screaming, and picking up a gun and shooting someone or throwing something or yelling or beating someone up, getting assault charges.
00:27:53.000So, in a sense, what you're saying is there's different types of testosterone, different types of hormones that are produced in different areas of the body that's not just your testicles that are doing it?
00:28:31.000In studies that are done in Alzheimer's patients, they found the frontal lobes of the brain, which regulate executive function, making sure that you make the right decision, you're able to make the coffee in the right sequence, making sure the butter's at the end, is all regulated by the frontal part of the brain,
00:28:47.000which is the most common area that is damaged in to and fro kind of auto accidents or explosions throwing you back.
00:28:57.000They found pregnenolone and allopregnenolone deficiency, the same thing we're finding in boxers, in pugilists, in MMA, in everybody.
00:29:06.000And I think I shared with you, NFL did a study where they found that 19 times faster, NFL players are 19 times more prone to develop Alzheimer's disease between 30 and 50 years of age.
00:29:48.000And why don't they do the same testing for military as soldiers when they come back?
00:29:53.000Yeah, what Dr. Gordon was saying about all the different neurosteroids, for instance, like cholesterol, he's saying, is a precursor to testosterone.
00:30:00.000But if you take a statin drug that lowers your cholesterol, guess what the byproduct of that is?
00:30:16.000The military model doesn't even test for that.
00:30:18.000And if you're not treating things below testosterone, that that produces at that level, if it's deficient or insufficient, then you're not going to get what you need.
00:30:26.000So until you look at your body, your chemistry as a whole, and you interdict it accordingly, you're going to continue to have these mass problems across the board, and the ones that are manifesting and With soldiers, with fighters, with football players, but you know, and then if you take these drugs and alter it,
00:30:42.000then with the civilian population as well.
00:30:44.000So it's not just like a niche market here.
00:32:26.000You know, when we were having this conversation at lunch, when we were talking about this, you were bringing up stem cells and the effect that stem cells are having and stem cell injections on people that have all sorts of serious traumatic injuries.
00:32:49.000In, let's see, 2012, I went to Germany, to Düsseldorf, Germany, to work for the doctors there, who was taking autologous stem cells.
00:33:00.000He'd take out of the patient stem cells, send them to Israel to get them augmented, to increase the amount, and get them back in 48 hours.
00:33:07.000And then this absolutely incredible three-dimensional positioning needle That used three dimensions, three axes, X, Y, and Z, and was able to go, we drilled a hole in the skull, and we put a needle in, directly into the fourth ventricle,
00:33:23.000which is that fluid compartment in the brain, and injected the stem cells, and it spread out to the brain stem, because this gentleman had A brainstem hemorrhage.
00:33:33.000And within 48 hours to 72 hours, he started having these improvements.
00:33:54.000He was picking up his coffee cup and drinking it.
00:33:57.000So there are places around the planet that are using stem cells in people with Alzheimer's, with ALS, with traumatic brain injury, and it's getting benefits.
00:34:10.000In my projects in Beijing, China, the stem cells called mesenchymal stem cells, which are the ones that a lot of the organs come from, In diabetics, injecting one injection of 10 million mesenchymal cells into the patient through an IV,
00:34:29.00030% of them lost their diabetes, 45% had a decrease in their insulin requirement, and 25% of them didn't have any effect.
00:34:49.000Yeah, that seems like something that would, if you're injecting it, especially directly into the traumatic, the area that's experienced trauma.
00:34:57.000Yeah, there's an orthopedic buddy of mine, Centaro, who was using autologous stem cells that he'd pull out a patient and inject it into the knees and get rebuilt of the knees without needing surgery.
00:35:10.000Well, that's what I'm hearing, too, is about rebuilding cartilage, that people have had bone-on-bone cartilage, they're rebuilding it.
00:35:17.000There was one by Dr. Alan R. Dunn out of Miami, an orthopedic surgeon, who showed that if you go in with an arthroscopic scope and you use a burr, which is like a Sandpaper device and you rub the bone and then inject it with growth hormone,
00:35:36.000that he was able to get 5 to 10 millimeters of regeneration of cartilage.
00:36:18.000That's so frustrating to me when something that's really, really effective gets illegal because athletes are using it and becoming more effective.
00:36:42.000Everybody was always worried that people were going to get it from fetuses and then somehow it was going to encourage abortions until they figured out how to get it from other means.
00:36:50.000And once they figured out how to get it from other...
00:37:08.000I think it's, what, 10 years that they put the moratorium on doing any research in stem cells, which is giving Switzerland, is giving China, is giving Russia...
00:38:30.000It's like a more advanced version of platelet-rich plasma.
00:38:33.000And what they do in, I think it was Australia, they expose it to a special frequency of ultraviolet light to take care of any of the inflammatory chemistry that's in there through photo deactivation.
00:38:50.000It's something that's more acceptable than doing autologous stem cell.
00:38:54.000There's a number of ways to do it, though, is the point.
00:38:55.000There's a number of different ways to get stem cells.
00:38:58.000Yeah, well, a lot of UFC fighters are getting it now, and what they're doing, a good percentage of them, they get their fat sucked out of their body.
00:39:05.000Yeah, and then they're turning that into stem cells, then shooting it into their knees and their shoulders and what have you, and having incredible results.
00:39:13.000A lot of MMA fighters, a lot of grapplers are doing it.
00:41:02.000It's just so frustrating when you hear about how much time they spent Banning stem cell research because of the new research they're doing now on regenerating things I mean they've just they've sequenced the gene of the flat worm and they think they're gonna be able to figure out within you know X amount of years how to regenerate limbs like what the fuck man I mean that we're getting into some really crazy area with innovative science and medicine so what do we do we stop using all the technology that can help people today waiting for the
00:42:01.000We know from studies that were done back in 1911. There was Dr. Cajal, 1928. There's a doc up in McGill University, a guru, Arturo Aguro, who does regenerative research.
00:42:15.000The only reason why nerves can't regenerate is because they're in a non-permissive environment, is what I call it, in the lecture I give on this specific topic.
00:42:25.000Is that there are so many chemicals in the brain that are trying to foster regeneration of nerve.
00:42:32.000Like for instance, UCLA is doing a study on a byproduct of progesterone called allopregnanolone, which is neuro-regenerative, A synaptogenic, which means that the connection from one nerve to another nerve is a synapse.
00:42:46.000If it's damaged, it can regenerate it.
00:42:49.000Also, allopregnanolone is a free radical scavenger.
00:42:52.000As we age, as our biochemistry changes and the energy production in our brain through mitochondria changes, a lot more of oxidation occurs, or free radicals, and that's called oxidative stress.
00:43:05.000And it's believed, especially in great articles by a gentleman at USC, Caleb Finch, talks about aging of the brain and loss of our functioning due to this oxidative stress.
00:43:16.000And he believes that oxidative stress leads to hormone deficiency, leads to physical deficiency and death.
00:43:25.000A recent group of articles showed we're seeing a lot of a type of diabetes called insulin-resistant diabetes where you're making too much insulin because it's not being recognized by the cells.
00:43:38.000So they found in these group of articles came out that if there's inflammation of an area of the brain called the hypothalamus which regulates our energy use that it could predispose you to developing this situation called insulin-resistant diabetes or the metabolic syndrome.
00:43:54.000So we've been tracking our patient population who have had significant head trauma, whether or not it's blast with physical injury or blunt head injury, someone who fell off a second story and hit their head, was unconscious for a month.
00:44:06.000They're developed, they've developed or they came into the office already with this insulin resistance and it's easy to fix.
00:44:14.000Correct their hormones, give them chromate.
00:44:50.000Their blood sugar's stabilized, their fats get better, and their insulin comes down.
00:44:54.000So we had, in fact, one of our neighbors had an insulin level 117. It should be less than 25. Once we corrected his testosterone and his chromium, his levels dropped down below 30, which is where you'd like to have it.
00:45:08.000You know, I was listening to this Radiolab podcast recently, and they were talking about lithium.
00:45:12.000There's a woman who takes lithium because she's, I guess it's bipolar.
00:45:22.000Yeah, it's just it's just an element and she takes this and she's fine.
00:45:28.000Yeah, I haven't looked at it, but there are people you can buy it over the counter now, but lithium you can buy over the counter and it I haven't for what?
00:45:37.000That's what I need to go learn Lithium.
00:45:41.000Yeah, because it seems like, for me, ignorantly, when I heard that, I was like, well, I thought lithium was some hardcore Prozac-type drug that, you know, they put people on when they're out of their fucking mind.
00:46:00.000What started it was I would see patients coming in with bipolar and being on lithium and then started seeing patients who were coming in on it, you know, just taking it because of articles in Life Extension Magazine or one of those other science-based journals or magazines.
00:46:18.000But I haven't had a chance to go and look at it closely.
00:47:31.000So, in replenishing testosterone, you have to be careful with the balance you use.
00:47:35.000Otherwise, you start throwing things in like anastrosol, which blocks estradiol, which is extremely important for generating growth hormone in the brain, helping blood flow, and keeping the immune system unique to the brain functional.
00:47:47.000So, you know, everything we do, there's always a risk-to-benefit factor that needs to be looked at, and I think that some of the risk factors are being ignored.
00:47:55.000This woman in this Radiolab podcast, she was having an issue with kidney failure, and they were going to make her get off of the lithium.
00:48:07.000It has toxicity, and it's dose-dependent toxicity, and then the uniqueness of a person's biochemistry can make a very low amount toxic for you, where another person, it's meaningless.
00:48:16.000So for this woman, it was this massive conflict because this stuff was saving her.
00:48:21.000I mean, it allowed her to be herself, and now all of a sudden they were telling her, you're going to have to get off of it, and she had been off of it before and just lost her marbles.
00:48:31.000Saving her and killing her at the same time, yeah.
00:49:06.000Testosterone is generally perceived as being a sex hormone or being a reproductive hormone.
00:49:12.000What we're finding is that it's involved in an incredible array of different processes in the body.
00:49:19.000Studies on the The emotional center of the brain, the limbic system, found that it helps to stabilize panic and also anger and aggression and reactiveness to our environment.
00:49:33.000They're finding that in anorexia nervosa.
00:49:37.000Women who are, you know, starving themselves, who have psychological issues to it, if they don't respond to treatment, giving them testosterone improves it.
00:49:47.000So what we're starting to see is these neurosteroids and neuroactive steroids have influence on an array of psychological or mood disorders.
00:49:59.000And one of them is in bipolar, in the case that we're Just touching on a gentleman who was diagnosed with bipolar by the military and was put onto lithium and also ADD at the same time.
00:50:16.000And then what happened was he was given a challenge test with a low dose of testosterone and within 32 hours or so, his symptoms disappeared.
00:51:02.000The synergy is in all the hormones that we have in our body, all the chemistry.
00:51:07.000Work together to give us a level of benefit of function that one by itself cannot do.
00:51:13.000And if you look at the failure reports that are in traumatic brain injury since 1959, it's called a futility failure where these big pharmaceutical companies took these great drugs and gave one product to an individual with traumatic brain injury and they didn't get any benefit greater than 10%.
00:51:31.000That's called failure or futility failure.
00:51:34.000And it's because, and other people are writing, the because is because our system is so complex.
00:51:39.000How do you expect one product to fix it?
00:51:49.000There's such an issue in this country when it comes to mental health, that mental health doesn't get looked at like the health of a bone or the health of a muscle.
00:51:57.000If you have a torn muscle, you have to get an emergency operation to reattach it.
00:52:03.000But if your brain is fucked, it's like, come on, don't be a pussy.
00:52:07.000Toughen up or stop being so down on yourself.
00:52:14.000And when that's affected, that's when you have these different things that manifest.
00:52:18.000And that's why we're seeing so many of the vets coming back and committing suicide because they've been instilled with exactly what you said.
00:52:46.000Whereas people that have self-doubt, it's like, well, maybe I just can't.
00:52:49.000Right, well, maybe they're right, and maybe what the psychologist says is right.
00:52:52.000Maybe I should take this medication, and now that's compounding a problem and making it even bigger.
00:52:58.000And that's why we're having these suicides.
00:53:00.000And also, you know, one of the things that's been fascinating to me over the last couple years is finding out all the different things that we do that change the hormone levels of our body.
00:53:09.000Like all the different things you could do during the day that up your testosterone, including like just what they call peacocking.
00:53:16.000Driving a nice car around a bunch of young ladies actually raises your testosterone.
00:53:22.000Like, what the fuck is going on with our bodies?
00:53:24.000Like, how weird is it that there's, like, moods, the changing in mood, like, happy moments, like, literally will change the chemical makeup.
00:53:33.000It's the evolution of man, you know what I mean?
00:53:35.000And that was a natural selection that, when women were round, I was gonna, you know, you're gonna perk up.
00:54:12.000If you just follow aging of men and women, as men who are testosterone-based age, they lose their testosterone and they have more estrogen.
00:54:21.000That's why we become pussies as we get older.
00:54:25.000Women, on the other hand, lose their estrogen and gain more testosterone.
00:54:29.000That's why you start seeing facial hair and they start taking the command position in the relationship as they get older.
00:54:36.000And it's this flipping of the hormones.
00:54:38.000Hey, Dr. Gordon, I wanted to touch on the, and Joe, you asked about it, the able to regrow anything in the brain.
00:54:44.000It's called neuroplasticity, you know, right, Dr. Gordon?
00:54:46.000And I wanted to dumb it down for the listeners or guys that maybe are like me that are listening.
00:54:54.000And I found this out before I met Dr. Gordon and I was hearing about some of these things and treatments I was at about neuroplasticity and basically being able to regenerate the neuronal pathways, okay?
00:55:05.000So we have shearing of the neurons in a traumatic brain injury.
00:55:10.000And that causes some of the issues that we have.
00:55:13.000But what we now know is we can form new neuronal pathways in the brain.
00:55:18.000And we can stimulate that through a number of ways.
00:55:22.000Learning something that you've never learned will stimulate that.
00:55:25.000Treating it with what you're deficient in, you know, neurosteroid-wise.
00:56:09.000You either can regenerate and renew or you can't.
00:56:12.000I think it was Fort Collins and a Dr. Twili who was doing just that, introducing to vets who had dramatic brain injury with Nintendo with certain type of gains to get the visual manual dexterity which would help to improve their cognitive ability because of doing just that,
00:56:38.000Sudoku, which forces you to do intense thinking, which can help build new pathways.
00:56:45.000In literature that I used to read in Alzheimer's, I have a lecture on it, they found that if you looked at the academic The academic experience of an individual when they get Alzheimer's, the people who have the highest academic achievements,
00:57:02.000meaning MDs, PhDs, and so forth, compared to people who just have a high school diploma, that those people with a higher education have a slower progression of Alzheimer's disease.
00:57:14.000And that's because they've built parallel pathways, a lot of pathways.
00:57:18.000So if you lose this pathway, you've got this one as an alternate backdoor or backup system.
00:57:44.000If you don't challenge yourself in life, then you're going to atrophy in every area.
00:57:49.000So that's the onus on the individual, you know what I mean?
00:57:52.000Yeah, and that's also why people that are sort of adrenaline junkies, they kind of ramp it up all the time, more and more and more, until the other people around them are like, you're fucking getting a little crazy here, buddy.
00:58:03.000But it's because it takes more for them to get that juice.
00:58:07.000They don't get it from the original thing.
00:58:11.000Their baseline is pushed higher above the average line.
00:58:14.000You know, I have patients who get onto a program, and after four or six months they say, Doc, I don't feel...
00:58:28.000What more, you've already had that contrast from zero to 100. And the analogy I use is, you know, it's 100 degrees outside and you've got a pool that's 86 degrees.
00:58:36.000When you jump into the pool, it's initially cold.
00:58:38.000And then your body adapts and you don't feel that temperature difference.
01:00:13.000I mean, when something is unique in the beginning and special and fantastic, it gives you this, whoa!
01:00:19.000But then when that's a normal thing, then you go, ah, just, you know, it worked for me in the beginning, and then it stopped working for me.
01:00:26.000And you'd show them their blood levels.
01:00:27.000Their blood levels, like I had a, in fact, it was, I think it was Jordan, Who was very, very low in testosterone.
01:00:35.000I think it was like a 2 when it should be a 14. And his total was like 220 and should be about 700. And he complains that he's not feeling as well.
01:00:46.000We did his blood work and his free testosterone was like 14, 13.99.
01:00:52.000And his total was 801. So he's like four times above where he was before.
01:00:56.000And he's saying he doesn't feel any better.
01:01:46.000I think it's chasing certain emotions and trying to run away from other ones when there's opportunity for growth and development and ultimately contribution in all of them.
01:01:56.000And they all can produce that if you're able to, instead of run from it, maybe look at it and see what that can provide you.
01:02:02.000And what can you do to provide that to somebody else?
01:02:09.000It just seems to me that the way you approach life and the philosophy that you have that you take through life can either contribute or take away from your happiness.
01:02:46.000So if you can instead wrap it around purpose or meaning, then you're going to be a long-term happy.
01:02:51.000But pleasure, passion, things like that, that's short term.
01:02:55.000People chasing pleasure, man, and that doesn't make you happy in the end.
01:02:58.000No, you know, my friend Steve Rinello has a really funny way of, uh, he talks about things that are really fun when you're doing them, and then things that are really fun after they're done.
01:03:08.000He's like, some things are really fun while you're doing them, but after they're done, they don't give you any, like a roller coaster.
01:03:13.000A roller coaster doesn't give you anything after it's over.
01:03:16.000But, like, there's some miserable trips that you go on, well, afterwards you'll spend hours and hours laughing with your friends, like, dude, that sucks so hard!
01:03:40.000It's also understanding that a lot of like what is good is very difficult to do and it becomes like your goal setting and then achieving those goals becomes this this feeling of pleasure and a good thing.
01:03:54.000Whereas opposed to so many people just want comfort and quiet and peace, but with none of the hard work and that you don't appreciate it then.
01:04:07.000Like, spoiled kids don't appreciate what they have in their life.
01:04:10.000Someone who works really hard and, you know, they've gone through hard times, then when things turn well, they're like, God, this is so good to not have to worry about money now, to not have to worry about where my next meal's coming from, to have a nice home and, you know, a nice bed to sleep in.
01:04:25.000If you look at the Richard Branson's and the Job's and so forth, they came from nothing and they built something.
01:04:48.000I think you achieve that goal, that is kind of a pleasure you're talking about, Joe, but like when you look back and look at the journey that it took from where you started to get to that goal, that's where you can feel purposeful and proud of it.
01:05:00.000That lasts longer than the feeling of accomplishing that goal, the journey.
01:05:04.000What a weird world we live in, isn't it?
01:05:07.000Trying to manage all this stuff and trying to figure out what's the most, what's the optimum way to get through life?
01:05:21.000The relationships that you have with the people in your life greatly affect how you feel about life.
01:05:27.000The people in your life, they can affect your hormones.
01:05:31.000They can affect your hormone levels, they can affect your cortisol levels, they can affect all those things.
01:05:37.000Someone said that, I talk a lot and I tell them that because of having four women at home, three daughters and the wife, that the opportunity that I have to speak is always outside.
01:06:21.000And that journey you were talking about and the effect of the environment on your psychological well-being, you know, it's a roller coaster.
01:06:29.000I've gone through a roller coaster with each one of the daughters and I've come to that landing.
01:06:34.000You know, where you get off the roller coaster finally at this age and you look back and you start laughing on some of the silly things that happen.
01:06:42.000And my daughter came to me a couple of weeks ago and basically, you know, said, yeah, we went through some silly time.
01:07:00.000This last year, I read Viktor Frankl's Man's Search for Meaning, and it just changed my outlook on everything, and he went through the Holocaust, and basically the book was the premise of some people survive the Holocaust.
01:07:22.000Some people survived it, right, and were able to have meaning while others just gave up and died.
01:07:30.000And what was the reasoning behind that was kind of how the book looked at it.
01:07:35.000And it was the people who survived, like 9%, The commonality was everybody had some kind of a meaning, right?
01:07:43.000Some kind of purpose outside of themselves that was wrapped in how they could better somebody else's life in some form or fashion.
01:07:51.000And that purpose, that meaning to their life allowed them to be able to endure whatever came their way because they had a purpose to endure it.
01:07:59.000The person that didn't have a meaning put on their life for whatever reason Just at the end, that was too much.
01:08:05.000They just gave in and said, I give up, and eventually died.
01:08:22.000So I think the purpose of life is to live a life of purpose.
01:08:26.000That's a very good way of putting it and it makes you feel better about your life, too And like cynical people will say well there is no purpose in the end You know you're gonna take a dirt nap and that's all the time that you have here is just bullshit But the reality is that bullshit is way better when you believe that you have a purpose And when you live for a purpose and when you work hard and you achieve things like goal setting They say that one of the most important things for people to achieve happiness is the setting and achieving of goals It's setting and achieving of goals,
01:08:55.000whether it's simple, like completing a project.
01:08:58.000You know, you want to put up posts and grow plants, and then when you eat a salad from those plants, you go, I fucking did it.
01:09:04.000Like, you get a feeling, a natural feeling of accomplishment from an art project, from anything you want to do.
01:09:09.000Fixing the shed whatever it is like when you set a goal and you do your best and you achieve That's part of what made human beings what we are today in 2015 those those natural word systems are in our DNA And if you you follow those and you live by those you will have a more fulfilled life a happier life I agree.
01:10:33.000Yeah, there's really no good manual on how to live life.
01:10:37.000And even if there was, it might not apply to you.
01:10:40.000You know, I mean, nobody could tell you, like, what's going to make one person happy is not necessarily going to make another person happy.
01:10:46.000You know, we're here talking about goal setting and working hard.
01:10:51.000For some people, that's actually not it.
01:10:54.000For some people, what do they want to do?
01:10:56.000They just want to have a good group of friends and be around them and have nice meals and good conversations, and that's it.
01:11:02.000They literally don't have a desire for these other things.
01:11:05.000But for people like you that have this burning desire to know things and improve upon things and to do good work, for you, that's your path.
01:11:15.000I think simple is to get so wrapped up in the day-to-day rat race of life that they don't put their head up and say, man, I... I'm totally missing the boat, man.
01:11:26.000There is no purpose to how I'm doing anything.
01:11:28.000I would think people really thought about it.
01:11:30.000They might not do what Joe Rogan wants to do or what Mark Gordon wants to do, but they're like, hey, I want to do something.
01:11:36.000If it's not just tied around totally...
01:11:39.000I just want to hang out and not give anything out to anybody.
01:11:42.000You're not going to get anything in return.
01:11:44.000I don't think anybody wants to do that in their right mind.
01:11:47.000It's just so hard for people to find out what it is that they want to do and then how do I go about pursuing that and how do I go about pursuing that while avoiding the idea of choosing just a job that's going to give you security.
01:12:01.000You know, a job that you don't want to do, but hey, you know, it's going to give me dental.
01:12:04.000That's a big factor in a lot of people's lives.
01:12:39.000Talking about, you know, failure, one of the stories I keep on...
01:12:43.000What I'm repeating and using as a goal for myself is, there was a PUP reporter that interviewed Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Edison, before he passed away.
01:12:54.000And he said to him, you know, Mr. Edison, your development of the incandescent bulb was what revolutionized.
01:13:00.000It took us from the stone ages to modern living.
01:13:03.000And, you know, but how do you feel about these over 1108 failures that you had with the bulbs?
01:13:11.000Thomas Edison says, well, Sonny, I don't look at them as being failures, just as things that didn't work.
01:13:16.000And it's by having that attitude of looking at what we do in our daily life as not failures, meaning that you're worthless and you're incapable and therefore you should stop what you're doing, but looking at it as just something that didn't work, Find another pathway.
01:13:30.000That's a great Thomas Edison impression, by the way.
01:14:01.000Don't get me wrong, but it kind of helped being around Tesla.
01:14:05.000I mean, that's that Michael Jordan commercial, you know, about how many times he failed.
01:14:09.000He failed over and over and over again, and that's why he succeeded.
01:14:11.000Yeah, like you said, man, that spurs growth.
01:14:14.000You know, you have to be able to fail.
01:14:16.000I look at it as data, you know what I mean?
01:14:18.000That gives me readings about where I was and how I need to self-correct the course I'm at.
01:14:23.000Without it, you can't get a good true measurement.
01:14:25.000And that feeling that you get from failure is awesome.
01:14:28.000It sucks at the time, but it's like we were talking about things that are fun while you're doing them, and then things that are great years later.
01:14:37.000When you fail at something, that feeling that you have afterwards is fucking horrible.
01:15:33.000He had a breakup with this girl, because he was dating her, and they would talk about things, they would have a disagreement about something that she did, and she would bring up something that happened, like, fucking two years ago, that had nothing to do with it.
01:15:44.000Like, you did that, you did that, and then you said that, he's like, that was two fucking years ago, what are you talking about?
01:15:51.000That has no bearing on who we are right now.
01:16:19.000Because I know when both start flying and the day gets tough, We're gonna keep moving.
01:16:24.000Show me somebody who's never failed or has won every time, and as soon as they have a perceived adversity or difficult situation, they don't know how to act.
01:16:33.000I don't want that guy on my team, especially when it's life and death.
01:17:10.000When you see a fighter that's capable of being hurt and on the brink of failure and then coming back and winning a fight, then you see a person with character.
01:17:21.000And then there's other people that they're great when everything's going their way, but the moment things aren't going their way, they just fucking pack up their bag and go home.
01:17:30.000That's what I love to watch is the guy that those fights where the guy was down and he didn't stop.
01:18:22.000You know, getting in trouble, like being able to operate while under that kind of intense pressure of being in trouble is what makes champions.
01:18:29.000Hey, how do you replicate that in the fight world and training for a guy to be able to be in that situation where, hey, this is what it's going to feel like and this is how you need to respond?
01:18:41.000I mean, I think that kind of mental training, it's so difficult to try to replicate that.
01:18:46.000There's certain drills you can do, like you do a drill where you take five fresh guys and you go in and you spar one guy for one round and then that guy goes out and you bring in a new fresh guy.
01:18:57.000And you're tired, and that guy's friend, and they try to break you.
01:19:00.000But there's also people that don't agree with that, because they think that that kind of, like, experiencing failure like that in the gym is actually a bad thing, because then you become comfortable with failure, and you understand it.
01:19:12.000And some people think that it's just an attribute, that's a psychological attribute, either you're in shape, and you're prepared, and you're ready, and when adversity comes, you're going to be able to handle it, or you're not.
01:19:23.000You know, it's really tough to put an answer to that.
01:19:26.000It's really tough like think about like buds training I think about like how many people go through that that kind of training and just get to the point where Everybody's uncomfortable.
01:19:39.000Everybody's miserable, but they get up and they quit And who doesn't quit the people that don't quit the people that you're gonna count on right like what why why this is their first time doing this Because they made the decision beforehand.
01:20:04.000But if you have even the slightest inkling of, this sucks, I can't believe I have to do another 20 miles and hump 100 pounds, then you're thinking, hmm, it's easy to step off to the side over there and be done.
01:20:16.000But if you have a mental mind frame, and you can train it, if you have that mental mind frame of, I will not, they might not take me, but it won't be because I didn't finish this damn thing.
01:20:27.000It won't be because I'm not physically and mentally here doing everything that's asked of me.
01:20:32.000Well, when you say you can train it, they don't try to train it in you, though, before they prepare you for that.
01:20:43.000Yeah, and that's why, similarly, there's just a small percentage of people that ever get through that kind of training, right?
01:20:50.000There's similarly a small percentage of people that ever get to the elite level of competition, and I think in any form, in any sport, in anything where you're trying to push yourself, anything that's difficult, Any really difficult endeavor reveals character.
01:21:10.000And even, you know, the people that experience or that quit, even that can be a lesson.
01:21:15.000You know, you can learn from that lesson and rebuild and never, never experience that again.
01:21:20.000Out of curiosity, in your training, what percentage of people actually complete the training?
01:21:27.000So, through our initial Special Forces assessment and selection, only about 33% get through that.
01:21:32.000Then you go through the training pipeline, which is anywhere for about a year and a half to two, two and a half years, and that's about 50% of the people, I think, you know, actually get through that.
01:23:08.000A lot of people can't, but some people can.
01:23:11.000So the people that run that ultramarathon, they'll look at other people that can't run a marathon, or the people that run a regular marathon, will look at people that can't run a marathon that'll quit at mile 16 or whatever, and they'll go, well, you just fucking don't have the mental toughness.
01:23:24.000Maybe they don't have the mental toughness to go 100 miles.
01:23:27.000You know, there's levels to everything in this life.
01:23:53.000I think they're just saying it so that they think that they can convince you and maybe somehow or another it'll convince themselves if you believe it.
01:24:01.000You know, is it nurture or is it nature?
01:25:14.000All I've taught him to do is, you know, get pet and give him dog food, give him kisses, but in his makeup, and there's that question of epigenetics, like, how much of your character do you get from your parents, like, just in your DNA? How much can you mold on your own?
01:25:32.000I mean, I think there's an untold number of variables, and nature and nurture, it's neither or, it's all the above, it's environment, there's so many different things that are So, you know, you can't really, you know, put these people down for not being able to succeed at the level that you've,
01:25:49.000like the analogy you did with the super marathon and the marathon person who does, like I do, a 5k and I'm wasted.
01:26:42.000Then it's not something that you're trying to get out of.
01:26:44.000You're trying to live in that moment and truly thrive in it.
01:26:47.000And that's the difference between the elite performer and the non-elite.
01:26:51.000Yeah, I mean, even, like, simple things.
01:26:53.000Like, tell yourself you're gonna do an hour and a half on an elliptical machine.
01:26:58.000Well, it seems real easy for five minutes, and then ten minutes in, you're like, fuck, I got an hour and twenty more minutes of this bullshit?
01:27:05.000And then, you know, as you're going, You know and not reduce the level keep the level at the same and just force yourself to do it That's not easy to do but that ain't shit compared to an ultra marathon So there's levels to everything and then how about these crazy fucks that do like there's there's people that do two ultra marathons in a row like they'll do an ultra marathon and they'll do an ultra marathon back Because a regular ultramarathon is not fucking crazy enough for these people.
01:28:04.000So he's saying that he's come up with a method that he can teach you how to change your physiology to be able to adapt to these things, and it's with breathing techniques, commitment, And cold water immersion.
01:28:18.000I bought his thing the other day, and me and Becky did the breathing thing, my wife, and the first day I did it, I held my breath for 2 minutes and 41 seconds.
01:28:27.000My wife held it for 2 minutes and 30 seconds.
01:28:29.000After 15 minutes doing his breathing stuff.
01:28:32.000And you held it for 5 minutes before reading his...
01:29:29.000So if you can get your physical performance up to the top level, then you're selling yourself short if you're not also having a mental aspect to your game.
01:29:38.000You have to have a mental aspect to your game.
01:30:20.000My body, it's so normal to me, I get used to it.
01:30:23.000I wonder if that's what's going on with this Wim Hof guy, too.
01:30:26.000It's like his mind has a category for these states, and he puts himself in these states, and he can slowly but surely increase the duration of these states, and the suffering, and his body understands how to mitigate whatever issues might come up from He's got a documentary on Vice,
01:30:55.000Those people that are like that, those outliers, those real outliers, those people that, like I said, when you talk about doing an ultramarathon or something along those lines, for most people, the amount of mental toughness is involved in that is insane.
01:31:10.000And then you hear about this guy, and you're like, well, fuck.
01:31:12.000Well, there's always going to be someone who's taking it to the next place.
01:31:15.000The next guy's going to do it fucking barefoot, you know?
01:31:18.000He's cool because he hooks up with scientists and they regulate everything.
01:31:22.000They take the blood before, during, after.
01:31:39.000This is how I'm affecting my autotomic nervous system.
01:31:41.000And now I've got the science to back it up.
01:31:43.000Right, so a lot of people, they look at that and they think of it as like walking on coals, which is really just kind of a horseshit trick.
01:31:49.000You just walk fast and your foot gets fucked up, but you're fine.
01:31:53.000Whereas this guy, I love that too, that he has brought in scientists to make sure there's zero fuckery involved here.
01:31:59.000This is a guy that really understands how to regulate his body temperature and his breathing.
01:32:11.000So what he's doing, what I love about him, he's like, hey, no false hope.
01:32:14.000What we're putting out to the guys out here, if you're listening, there's no false hope in Dr. Gordon's program and through the Warrior Angels Foundation.
01:32:21.000It's all science-evidence-based, and we've set up a system that's so advanced that you don't even have to go to a doctor's office to be able to see Dr. Gordon.
01:32:31.000Everything is paperless, done through Skype, so we've got personalized, individualized methods for medicine to see one of the world's most renowned people to treat traumatic brain injuries.
01:32:42.000We're now bringing that to every veteran that signs up through our program.
01:32:45.000Dude, you brought the whole thing full circle.
01:33:06.000All you have to do is go to our website, go to our treatment page, and start filling in your information.
01:33:10.000And the website is Warrior Angel Foundation.
01:33:12.000Warrior Angels with the S. WarriorAngelsFoundation.org So you go through, you fill out your initial information, then you get started in our automated process.
01:33:56.000So they send the labs to you, to wherever you're at, and they will make plans for you to go to a lab that's the closest to your geographical location.
01:34:03.000So that's the only time you're going to have to leave your house to do this thing.
01:34:05.000So you'll go, you'll go to leave your house, go get your lab drawn.
01:34:19.000They schedule an appointment with you to do a one-on-one consultation, and he'll go over everything in complete detail and answer all your questions there, and then go over What your protocols, what he thinks your protocols should be.
01:34:32.000Yeah, before we actually do a Skype, I write a four-page report which gets sent by email to the patient, and it has English in it, not just medicalese, and it explains some of the results, and it gives them a chart of what the suggested first group of Products or the first approach will be and then through FedEx we send a very comprehensive patient handbook that's put together specifically based upon their lab results.
01:35:00.000It's about 80 pages in total and explains why we did every single one of the tests and how they interpret out and then supportive documentation from the general medical literature that's out there.
01:35:13.000And then through the Skype, which is 45 minutes to an hour, we go through every single one of the lab tests and how it pertains to them after we, you know, discuss their traumas or whatever, their accidents that they had, or if they're a civilian, the lack of any accident, but here's what your results are.
01:35:29.000And then we make arrangements for either their doctor to participate with us or one of our doctors, you know, since November 12th when I saw you last year, my new book on traumatic brain injury came out and a new lecture series came out and we did that in San Diego.
01:35:48.000And part of the reason why there are now more doctors aware of what we do is because we train 45 docs from 5 different countries in the protocols that we've developed over the past 10 years and the results.
01:36:26.000Impacting on both the psychological and emotional level is listening to someone as you did to Matthew Gosney when he was on the show and Andrew telling his story of how he transitioned from this phenomenal life to this great military life that then the injuries and then what happened after it and then having all these standardized medical procedures done which really didn't help to bring him to the level that he's at right now which is according to his mother,
01:36:52.000father, sister, brother Your dog also said that you were acting much better than you were in the past, ever.
01:38:11.000Because we've gotten donations from our laboratory.
01:38:15.000The laboratory that we use, Access Medical Lab, has given us a lot of money to help offset the cost for the labs.
01:38:22.000Our compounding pharmacy, University Compounding Pharmacy, gave us a $100,000 grant so that Testosterone is for free.
01:38:29.000Any of the compounding products are free.
01:38:32.000Another pharmacy, Ike's Pharmacy, gives us all our Clomid so that the first three months of product for the less than 40-year-old veterans, they get Clomid, which helps stimulate their own body to make testosterone.
01:38:45.000We just got a $10,000 grant from Pure Encapsulations for the key antioxidants that we use for brain health.
01:38:55.000A lot of help streamlining those costs.
01:38:57.000But get this, Joe, the $5,000 in year one is compared to what the VA spends, which is $15,000 in the Congressional Budget Office report in 2012. For TBI and PTSD, $15,000 to $16,000 to treat that.
01:39:13.000And all they use is medication and psychotherapy.
01:39:15.000So it gets more as the years goes on, whereas we're fixing the underlying condition.
01:39:31.000They had $66 billion is what they're paying for all the medical care in 2012. $66 billion.
01:39:39.000That's why we're getting listened to, because we're like, look at the difference and variations of these prices of what you guys are spending and the end result.
01:39:49.000But nobody cared about the end result.
01:39:53.000And let me just tell anybody who's listening.
01:39:56.000My daughter has a jewelry company and she's volunteered to gift to anyone who gives $5,000 a coin which is 1,800 years of age silver coin from Rome.
01:40:25.000It's E-R-A-B-Y-R-G.com, and on there you'll see giving, and it actually shows what she's producing in her jewelry company and donating to Warrior Angel Foundation, so that they can hand it out to people who are donating money.
01:40:45.000Now, is there any resistance to this, this type of training?
01:41:52.000They're developing new testosterone that's animal-based.
01:41:55.000Instead of using yams, they're using animals somehow or another, and they're avoiding detection with all these drug testing when they're doing these carbon isotope tests.
01:42:48.000And low dose, very well absorbable, like testosterone propionate, gets into the system, into the cells in three to four hours, and it's out of the blood.
01:43:08.000We developed the vehicle that the compounding pharmacies can legally put the testosterone into this liquid and the liquids put under the tongue or put into the mouth and washed around and gets absorbed because the particle size is so small it gets absorbed rapidly.
01:43:27.000This is something you have to do every day, right?
01:43:29.000This is one that, yeah, our testing showed that either once a day, ideally once a day is the best, but you get to regulate the responsiveness that you have, the response.
01:43:41.000So if you want to have a nice, easy day, you take one squirt on the tongue.
01:43:45.000If you want to have a really energetic day, you take two.
01:43:48.000If you want to have a fun night for many hours, you take four squirts.
01:43:51.000That sounds like you're encouraging people to get fucking crazy.
01:44:47.000So, some incentives to give and anything you want to find out about Dr. Gordon or also his daughter will be on our website as well.
01:44:53.000I will say that Life Extension Magazine that in 2012 did the article on hormones to heal the brain in the military is doing a follow-up article where they've gone to six or eight of our patients,
01:45:09.000four I think military and two or four non-military, and interviewed them to get their Experience over the past few years that since the 2012 article And I think it'll be important for those people who are thinking about maybe getting involved in what we're doing to read that I think it's coming out The end of the year to read it and listen to the experience or else go back to the Matthew Gosney Jason Hall November 12th of last year and listen to The podcast that was done
01:45:39.000because I get a lot of calls of how many people exactly what he said was what I'm going through And I think listening to those that are interested and get onto the program is more important than anything I can say.
01:45:52.000And also, Joe, because we're on here today, lives will be changed, man.
01:45:56.000It's probably hard to comprehend that, but thank you for this opportunity because it's gonna have a ripple effect that you probably aren't gonna be able to understand.
01:46:04.000But by being on here, things are things we're gonna affect people's lives in a positive, positive way.