The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #700 - Dr. Mark Gordon & Andrew Marr

00:00:00.000 And boom, we're live.

00:00:01.000 Before you take any of Dr. Gordon's advice, I just want you to know, folks, he's scared of shrimp, shellfish, pork, he's never had wild game, and he refuses to eat outside of a very narrow dietary discipline.

00:00:14.000 He's got like a very, what is it?

00:00:16.000 Halal, is that?

00:00:17.000 You really do that?

00:00:18.000 You really eat halal?

00:00:19.000 I don't eat pork.

00:00:20.000 You don't eat pork.

00:00:21.000 No pork.

00:00:22.000 That's, but you know about bacon, right?

00:00:24.000 When was the last time you've had it?

00:00:26.000 I had turkey bacon a day.

00:00:28.000 Yeah, I had turkey bacon, absolutely. 0.99

00:00:29.000 That's just pathetic. 0.98

00:00:30.000 Turkey sausage, turkey bacon. 1.00

00:00:32.000 Sex with two condoms on. 0.99

00:00:33.000 This is totally unnecessary. 0.91

00:00:35.000 Well, some of us don't even use that.

00:00:37.000 But how could you eat turkey bacon and not eat the real bacon bacon?

00:00:41.000 I used to eat it, but after getting sick...

00:00:44.000 No one got sick ever in the history of the world from bacon.

00:00:47.000 Do you eat bread?

00:00:49.000 Yes.

00:00:49.000 You have no problems with gluten?

00:00:51.000 Well, I don't have a problem with gluten.

00:00:53.000 Okay, there's a lot of people who do have a problem with gluten. 0.69

00:00:55.000 Well, I have a problem with pig.

00:00:56.000 You don't have any problems with pig. 0.99

00:00:58.000 How dare you? 0.94

00:00:59.000 My stool doesn't look as good as it does when I'm not on it.

00:01:02.000 What are you doing?

00:01:03.000 Going over your stool with a fine-tooth comb?

00:01:05.000 You better believe it.

00:01:05.000 You should look at your stool every morning.

00:01:08.000 We're here with Dr. Mark Gordon, my good friend, and his friend Andrew Marr.

00:01:14.000 What is your position in the Warrior Angels Foundation?

00:01:18.000 I founded it, Joe.

00:01:20.000 Founder and former Green Beret. 0.58

00:01:21.000 Tell us all about what it's about and what the mission is.

00:01:25.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:01:27.000 Our mission is to get no-cost traumatic brain injury treatment to veterans who need it.

00:01:32.000 So it's an alternative means to get guys treatment outside of the medical model, which is predicated on medication and psychotherapy, which does not improve quality of life.

00:01:44.000 Is that changing at all because of, you know, all the work that Dr. Gordon has been doing and there's been a lot of...

00:01:50.000 I've heard outside of you even mention of your name, people bringing up your therapies and the things that you've been promoting for several years.

00:01:57.000 Is that changing in the community at all?

00:02:00.000 We're working to change it actively.

00:02:02.000 So we're going to have a meeting next month with some top people on the active duty side of the house.

00:02:08.000 We're also meeting with our...

00:02:10.000 and works of getting with the Veterans Administration So we're going, they're going to know everything across the board about these protocols, why they work, why they're better, how they're cost efficient, how they're time efficient, how this can not only improve a soldier's life,

00:02:27.000 but the life of the family, child, second order effects, go on and on and on.

00:02:31.000 So the evidence is out there.

00:02:33.000 The science is behind it.

00:02:34.000 This isn't false hope.

00:02:35.000 We're not offering any false hope.

00:02:37.000 Everything is science, evidence-based.

00:02:40.000 Reporting that we're doing and based off Dr. Gordon's clinical application of years and years of doing it.

00:02:46.000 So the short answer is yes, they're hearing about it and we have a five-year plan to overtake the system and have them implement these on both sides of the house, so to speak.

00:02:56.000 Now, for people who haven't heard any of our podcasts before and haven't heard your discussion about it, one of the biggest issues that we're experiencing with soldiers coming back from Afghanistan and Iraq is, if you hear my voice, I've got a little bit of a cold, ladies and gentlemen.

00:03:11.000 Traumatic brain injury.

00:03:12.000 From eating elk.

00:03:13.000 How dare you? 0.99

00:03:14.000 It's a pig. 0.99

00:03:15.000 Bacon and a clam.

00:03:18.000 A lot of soldiers are coming back from these wars with injuries that may have been fatal in the past.

00:03:28.000 They're no longer because of all these advancements in medical technology.

00:03:32.000 They're still dealing with the ongoing effects of the war, the traumatic brain injury.

00:03:37.000 Now, what you have found, and many others have supported this, is that a lot of this is there's damage to the pituitary gland, it stops the production of hormones, this leads to deep depression, it leads to some pretty significant issues that soldiers are facing.

00:03:51.000 So if you could just fill people in on that.

00:03:54.000 What we found is that because of the body armor being so efficient, a lot of the blast damage instead of killing someone is leaving them with trauma to the brain.

00:04:05.000 And any form of trauma to the brain, whether or not it's a blast trauma, being hit on the head, slip and fall, an automobile accident, turning upside down, or whatever the situation might be, The brain changes its chemistry because of inflammation, and that's from tearing of little nerves.

00:04:20.000 It's not only the pituitary, and that's been some of the problem that we've had, is focusing, as I focus on a narrow kind of diet, focusing in on just the pituitary.

00:04:29.000 But what we found is a group of chemistry in the brain called neurosteroids, which regulate our personality.

00:04:36.000 And some of those neurosteroids have names like testosterone or dihydrotestosterone, estrogen, pregnenolone.

00:04:41.000 And the literature has been around since about 1986 showing that these regulate our brain function.

00:04:48.000 So head trauma of any sort can cause it to decrease, number one.

00:04:52.000 Number two, with any form of damage to the brain you get inflammation.

00:04:57.000 And that inflammation expands, let's say, if there was a small area of tear in the brain or a bullet that penetrated a penetrating injury to the head, that area where the bullet or the foreign object diminished the amount of brain tissue, it grows larger because of inflammation.

00:05:13.000 It destroys more and more neurons.

00:05:15.000 And the more cells in the brain that are called neurons are destroyed, the greater the onset of cognitive impairment, your ability to use your brain in function, And then emotionality changes.

00:05:28.000 Now, how did you get involved in this?

00:05:30.000 And how did you figure out what so many people hadn't figured out?

00:05:33.000 With the emphasis on therapy and pain medication, antidepressants, how did you see through that?

00:05:39.000 Well, I really didn't discover anything.

00:05:41.000 All I did was, in reading the literature as much as I read it, saw that people had already laid the pathway for me to follow.

00:05:49.000 And I followed it intensely for the past Well, 21 years doing endocrinology and the past 10 years doing specifically neuroendocrinology, which deals with the brain.

00:05:57.000 And it's in my population of patients.

00:06:00.000 I used to see them for hormone deficiency and then started going back asking them, those with the hormone deficiency, if they've had any kind of head trauma.

00:06:09.000 In the first book that I wrote, which had the first introduction for me to write about traumatic brain injury and hormone deficiency, was a young kid by the name of Michael who had come to me.

00:06:20.000 His parents brought him in and he had hormone deficiency and we corrected.

00:06:23.000 His personality improved.

00:06:24.000 His quality of life improved.

00:06:26.000 And then read an article, which I've shared with you in the past, which came out of Turkey, about pugilists who had this specific growth hormone deficiency, and that was my epiphany article, where I started looking further and further into literature, and Muhtay, they had hormone deficiency,

00:06:43.000 and then Boom!

00:06:44.000 All the hormone deficiencies.

00:06:46.000 So this kid, I went back to him and said, have you ever had any trauma of any kind?

00:06:51.000 He said, well, when he was 17, he was 21 at the time.

00:06:54.000 When he was 17, he was in a motorcycle accident and was in a coma for three days.

00:06:59.000 He came out of the coma, and his neurologist said, oh, you'll be fine.

00:07:02.000 Well, he progressively got worse.

00:07:04.000 So that set the stage for me to start looking at this relationship between any kind of head trauma, and then in 2007, my first military was a Green Beret.

00:07:15.000 I met the wife, who was an emergency room doc in North Carolina, and she called me and told me about her husband, who was six tours of duty, was having some problems.

00:07:27.000 We donated the money for him to get the full testing and it turned out he was hormone deficient.

00:07:31.000 When we corrected his hormones, he was back in the good light with the military. 0.57

00:07:37.000 He was getting ready to get kicked out for insubordination.

00:07:40.000 And that progressed on in 2009 with opening up our practice to military.

00:07:45.000 And it just kept on repeating itself.

00:07:48.000 The same pattern, the same head trauma, blast injury, and hormone deficiency.

00:07:54.000 And now, how's this being received in the rest of the medical community?

00:07:59.000 Well, this is an uphill battle because the way it's being treated presently, if you look at the literature from 2012, 410,000 servicemen came back as veterans and were diagnosed with PTSD. Now,

00:08:17.000 post-traumatic stress disorder is usually perceived as being a psychologically precipitated event where they witnessed something that was horrifying to them.

00:08:27.000 Death of a friend, loss of a limb, or whatever the situation might have been to stimulate it.

00:08:32.000 And that immediately opened them up to simple treatment.

00:08:36.000 Here, take this packet of antidepressants and you'll get better.

00:08:40.000 Well, they didn't get better.

00:08:41.000 So they didn't get better because they were having what's called treatment-resistant depression, which now we find is due to hormonal deficiency.

00:08:48.000 If you look at the civilian population, people with treatment-resistant depression, you check them out and they're testosterone deficient or estrogen overdose or low progesterone.

00:09:00.000 Or low-pregnenolone, other chemicals that are in our brain.

00:09:04.000 And these individuals have been the foundation of what I do in trying to find a simple way to replenish them.

00:09:17.000 What you have to do is test them.

00:09:18.000 And that's not being done.

00:09:20.000 It's so much easier just to hand a packet and say you have PTSD when the majority of them are traumatic brain injury.

00:09:26.000 And I was on Dr. Drew's show with one of our patients who was an army corpsman and he didn't have a single scratch on his body.

00:09:36.000 But within two years of leaving, separating from the service, he started developing depression, mood swings, explosive personality.

00:09:43.000 He ends up coming into our program And we find out he has two and a half hormone deficiencies, and the pattern is indicative of having had head trauma.

00:09:51.000 Well, it turned out he would walk behind Abramson tanks as they were discharging their shells, and he said, man, my body would shudder.

00:09:58.000 And he was around javelin missiles, he was around repetitive gunfire.

00:10:03.000 He personally didn't have a scratch on him.

00:10:04.000 That's incredible that just the recoil, just the boom, just the sonic boom, the impact, that that, you know, shocking his body can do that to you.

00:10:13.000 Right.

00:10:14.000 There are books out, and the government has lots of books out on blast trauma.

00:10:17.000 In fact, one of the amazing things for me to have read was the Army did a study on...

00:10:24.000 Individuals who had had blast damage, blast trauma.

00:10:27.000 No physical ailment, just blast.

00:10:29.000 And they put them on a simple product called N-acylcysteine, NAC, and those that were on it got better.

00:10:35.000 But how come we're not hearing about...

00:10:37.000 What is that stuff?

00:10:38.000 N-acylcysteine, it's a precursor to glutathione, which is the number one anti-inflammatory, excuse me, anti-free radical antioxidant system in our brain.

00:10:51.000 And it becomes deficient.

00:10:54.000 It's endogenous within our system.

00:10:55.000 And glutathione is the same stuff that you recommend taking after you booze it?

00:10:59.000 Well, yeah.

00:11:00.000 Glutathione helps with metabolism in the liver to detoxify.

00:11:03.000 Here's the thing about NAC, though, also that Mark told me, and I'm on that product, but if I was taking that while I was still operating, the problems that I had never would have happened.

00:11:14.000 They would have cut it off.

00:11:15.000 So we can essentially cut off these problems just by Being proactive and preventative in this way.

00:11:21.000 So if we were right now today to administer to all Special Operations Soldiers, NAC, a lot of these problems that we're having, out the window.

00:11:29.000 That's crazy.

00:11:30.000 That's crazy, right?

00:11:31.000 It's true.

00:11:32.000 Preventative medicine.

00:11:32.000 You know, a lot of what's going on is all, you know, trying to catch up.

00:11:37.000 Always trying to catch up with what we do is proactive.

00:11:40.000 We see patterns in the blood that if we let them keep on sliding, Until they're sick, they'll get even, you know, absolutely sick.

00:11:51.000 And the medical model right now is, right the second you're not sick, let's wait until you get sick before we do something.

00:11:56.000 Yeah.

00:11:57.000 One of the more shocking things in working with the UFC is we got involved with, we do these events called Fight for the Troops.

00:12:04.000 We do them on bases.

00:12:05.000 And we got involved with the Intrepid Foundation, I believe it's called Intrepid Foundation for Excellence.

00:12:13.000 You find out how little money the government gives them, and how much they have to raise outside, and doing functions like these big UFC events, and that to me was one of the most disturbing things about those events.

00:12:30.000 I'm like, how is it possible that we can have all this money for all these different missions, all this money for all these different things, but we don't have money to take care of these guys when they come back home?

00:12:39.000 That seems criminal.

00:12:43.000 It's unethical, at a minimum.

00:12:46.000 To the highest level.

00:12:49.000 If you count on soldiers to do what you ask of them and put their body on the line to complete missions, and then you don't take care of them when they come back, how do you ever expect anybody to be patriotic?

00:13:07.000 Well, here's the thing, Joe.

00:13:08.000 There's millions of dollars spent on me, personally, on my training.

00:13:12.000 And then you can't put a number on that experience, right?

00:13:15.000 So to produce a special operations soldier, millions of dollars.

00:13:19.000 So it makes sense to put in proper preventative programs to make sure those guys are performing at elite levels, right?

00:13:26.000 We're going to do that for our We're going to do that for our vehicles, for our aircraft.

00:13:31.000 Why would we not do that for the same thing as our guys?

00:13:34.000 But you know what?

00:13:35.000 We're not waiting for anybody else to come up and say, okay, we're going to do this.

00:13:38.000 I'm following Dr. Gordon's lead, started the foundation, and we're doing it.

00:13:42.000 And we're changing it from the inside out, from top to bottom, from bottom to top.

00:13:47.000 Well, I think maybe it takes guys like you that are on the inside to do that.

00:13:50.000 Yeah.

00:13:50.000 I feel like the bureaucrats, the people that are in the air-conditioned offices that are, you know, deciding where money goes, they don't have a stake in it.

00:14:01.000 They're disconnected.

00:14:02.000 So they don't feel it and they don't understand it.

00:14:05.000 But it's simple because we're providing science, evidence-based solutions.

00:14:10.000 Not bitching or griping, complaining.

00:14:12.000 Offering solutions based on science.

00:14:15.000 And how long have you been involved with this foundation?

00:14:18.000 We started January 1 of this year.

00:14:20.000 So just kicking off?

00:14:22.000 I was just medically retired in June.

00:14:25.000 So I started up, I was actually, I had to go outside of the military medical system to get alternative treatment.

00:14:31.000 Alternative being not medication, not psychotherapy.

00:14:35.000 When I mean medication, very similar to when Matt Gosney was on here, the Navy SEAL. You know, I was on 13 different meds.

00:14:41.000 And before you know it, like, You're not the person that you used to be.

00:14:45.000 You know, I was capable of performing at an elite level in situations of life and death, consistently and reliably.

00:14:53.000 And then, all of a sudden, I have a problem, you know, Handling things that just don't add up.

00:15:00.000 You know, your behavior is not right.

00:15:02.000 I can't remember things.

00:15:04.000 Driving home, I don't know where I'm at.

00:15:06.000 Five years I've driven that route every day.

00:15:07.000 All of a sudden I look up, you don't know where you're at.

00:15:09.000 Writing a sentence in the middle of it, I don't know what I'm writing about.

00:15:13.000 You know what I mean?

00:15:14.000 So those kind of things.

00:15:15.000 So it was easy for me to put my hand up and say, hey, this is, this is, something's going on here.

00:15:19.000 This is not right.

00:15:20.000 And I was basically saying, hey, I'm on fire.

00:15:22.000 Somebody needs to put this fire out.

00:15:23.000 And they just kept throwing medication and medication and medication.

00:15:26.000 And then you start having anxiety attacks, which was completely foreign to me, right?

00:15:30.000 That was something that some other person, a weak person's problem, as I perceived it.

00:15:34.000 And now I'm having these anxiety attacks where I'm breaking down emotionally and crying in public.

00:15:38.000 And I can't, I have no control over it.

00:15:41.000 And happening in front of my family, my wife, my kids.

00:15:44.000 And I was just like, hey, enough is enough.

00:15:46.000 And going out, trying to find different things led me to Mark, Dr. Gordon.

00:15:52.000 And he introduced me to his protocols.

00:15:54.000 He actually sent me an email.

00:15:56.000 And in the first line, he says, hey, Andrew, you know, I'm this and we're doing this.

00:15:59.000 And I'm not a coop, by the way.

00:16:01.000 And I was like, okay, I like that.

00:16:02.000 I like that guy.

00:16:05.000 Very debatable.

00:16:06.000 Great introduction.

00:16:07.000 I'm not a kook. 0.83

00:16:07.000 I'm interested in what he's doing. 0.83

00:16:09.000 Kooks will always tell you they're not kooks.

00:16:11.000 Of course.

00:16:12.000 That's why I was drawn to him.

00:16:13.000 By the way.

00:16:14.000 I'm crazy.

00:16:16.000 So do you have a specific injury or a specific moment where things changed for you?

00:16:23.000 I was an explosive breacher, so I was in around explosions for my entire career.

00:16:28.000 You know what I mean?

00:16:28.000 I was only knocked unconscious one time in combat.

00:16:31.000 But the thing that Mark was saying, and this goes outside the veteran population, this goes with anybody, but the symptoms can come in months, Weeks, years, days, whatever.

00:16:45.000 Later, right?

00:16:46.000 So it wasn't attributed to any one thing.

00:16:48.000 So six months later after my last deployment, I'm starting to have these problems.

00:16:51.000 They're starting to manifest.

00:16:53.000 And when I'm bringing this up to the attention, you know, it's like, okay, well, this is a psychological issue.

00:16:58.000 And I'm like, well, I've been doing this for a long time.

00:17:01.000 This is what I want to be doing. 0.99

00:17:03.000 That's bullshit. 0.99

00:17:04.000 It's not a psychological issue. 0.99

00:17:05.000 And, you know, here's why.

00:17:06.000 I wouldn't be able to perform like this and all of a sudden I just can't do it.

00:17:09.000 And, and, um, So that was just very frustrating, you know, in that regard, trying to come out and try to find some real answers.

00:17:18.000 And only, like Mark said, what it takes is an individualized approach, right?

00:17:24.000 And that uses evidence-based diagnostics to pinpoint and treat the underlying condition.

00:17:28.000 But nobody was trying to figure out my whole, you know, story.

00:17:33.000 And when you don't do that, you just find out what the symptoms are and you treat those symptoms with medication, then you're not doing anything to fix it.

00:17:42.000 So that's kind of why it's hard for, I think, the medical community to understand it right now, because if you have a problem and you can't necessarily attribute that to a major accident or a major injury or a major explosion, then it's like, okay, well, we don't know what it is.

00:17:57.000 It's a psychological problem.

00:17:59.000 We're going to put him on packet A, and we'll see how he is in two weeks.

00:18:03.000 Yeah, that expression, psychological issue, is a real tricky one, isn't it?

00:18:07.000 Because your psychological makeup, a lot of times, is dependent upon your physical health.

00:18:13.000 And what's going on in your body can greatly affect your mind, but when someone says psychological issue, especially for a guy like you, what they're trying to say is that you're weak.

00:18:23.000 Right.

00:18:23.000 They're trying to say that you can't handle the pressure.

00:18:26.000 Absolutely.

00:18:26.000 And that you're cracking, and this is what it is.

00:18:28.000 The integrity, it's called comorbid, and this is an argument that's going back between the psychiatric world and the non-psychiatric world.

00:18:39.000 Where in comorbid, which came first, the situation that precipitated depression or the depression that develops the situation?

00:18:47.000 In this particular instance relative to Andrew, his chemistry of his body was doing great until he had that group of insults to him, whether or not it was that huge truck that got blown up 100 feet in the air and you got the shockwave that knocked you out.

00:19:05.000 Or the repetitive gunfire that you had or the breaching that you were doing.

00:19:10.000 How many licks does it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Roll Pop? 0.95

00:19:12.000 It's different for everybody.

00:19:13.000 Everybody is so different.

00:19:14.000 So what happens is as you start losing these hormones, I mean, one of the hormones that I've repeated a number of times and I'll repeat again, pregnenolone has been found to control the anxiety effect in the body, in the brain.

00:19:27.000 So morning anxiety or pregnenolone or social anxiety Can be affected and you know I have patients who have been in auto accidents who've never had anxiety attacks or panic attacks and they wake up six months after the injury and they've got morning anxiety.

00:19:46.000 Their pregnenolone levels instead of being average about 110 or down at six or seven you correct them back to 110 their anxiety disappears.

00:19:55.000 What is pregnenolone?

00:19:56.000 Pregnenolone is called the mother of all hormones.

00:20:00.000 It comes from cholesterol.

00:20:02.000 It's the first Hormone or steroid hormone, official steroid hormone that comes off of cholesterol.

00:20:08.000 So if we interrupt cholesterol in our body, we lose pregnenolone, which becomes the precursor to DHEA and testosterone on one side and progesterone and cortisol on another side.

00:20:23.000 With low pregnenolone, it can lead to all the hormones that help to regulate our brain function and our life.

00:20:30.000 Cortisol, if you don't have cortisol, you get a syndrome called Adson's disease, and you can die.

00:20:34.000 And most people associate cortisol with high levels of it being problematic, right?

00:20:38.000 Stress, correct.

00:20:39.000 Stress.

00:20:39.000 Stress-related.

00:20:40.000 And, you know, everybody thinks it's emotional stress, but there are five stressors.

00:20:44.000 You know, there's Emotional or intellectual stress, emotional stress, physical stress, nutritional stress can precipitate high amounts of cortisol.

00:20:52.000 If you're fasting, cortisol goes up.

00:20:54.000 And then there's chemical stress like chemotherapy or certain medication that you take, alcohol too, certain drugs can do it.

00:21:01.000 And they can influence the adrenal glands production of cortisol, which is called an adaptogen, which allows you to go from one level of physical functioning, mental functioning to another.

00:21:11.000 It adapts, helps you to adapt.

00:21:14.000 You know, I gotta tell you, when I have these conversations with you about this issue, it's kind of frustrating to me because it seems like you're making all this sense and you're talking about this broad spectrum of different hormones and all these different variables that exist in the human mind and how important they are to maintain proper levels of them for health,

00:21:32.000 for function.

00:21:34.000 But there's not a lot of people like you out there that are talking about this.

00:21:38.000 What you're saying is a fairly controversial treatment.

00:21:43.000 Dr. Gordon put it to me like this. 0.94

00:21:44.000 He's like, this is like 1960, and we're saying we were going to put a man on the moon by 1969, and everybody says, you guys are batshit crazy.

00:21:51.000 You know what I mean?

00:21:52.000 That's where we're at.

00:21:54.000 It seems like, is it because there's not a lot of motivation for innovation when it comes to treatment?

00:22:03.000 What's the resistance to understanding all these different variables?

00:22:07.000 If for 30 plus years you've been told that you treat depression by giving this pill, that's either an SSRI or an ABCD or whatever it is, You're going to give that pill.

00:22:18.000 And if someone comes in, a kook comes in and says, look it, the literature for the past 35 years, even as far back as 1958 with DHEA showing that DHEA is antidepressant, you come in with these natural products that have no patents on it, 0.98

00:22:36.000 That you can walk into a GNC, you can get it from Onnit, you can get it from any of these companies, and take it natural, 100% natural coming from Mexican wild yams, and it fixes your depression.

00:22:48.000 And it costs you 3 cents a day, 5 cents a day, 10 cents a day, as opposed to the cost for some of these other medication.

00:22:55.000 Who are you going to believe?

00:22:56.000 This kook who talks about over-the-counter product or the pharmaceutical rep who talks about this prescription medication? 1.00

00:23:03.000 That is the problem, right?

00:23:04.000 Official sounding names and designations.

00:23:07.000 Correct.

00:23:08.000 And I got it.

00:23:08.000 And it's an uphill battle in the way that I approach it with my science background, not just medical, but the science research I did in the beginning.

00:23:17.000 Is to line up all the information, irrefutable information, and hand it to someone and read it.

00:23:25.000 See, for a dummy like me, who's obviously on the outside of all this, what frustrates me...

00:23:30.000 You got me in trouble. 0.77

00:23:30.000 How did I get you in trouble? 0.77

00:23:31.000 You got me in trouble.

00:23:32.000 You put that picture when we had lunch together and you stood here with the brilliant Dr. Gordon. 1.00

00:23:36.000 I got a lot of shit from your people. 0.99

00:23:39.000 Why? 1.00

00:23:39.000 Because they said that, you know, you're a smart guy. 1.00

00:23:42.000 And I said, you're absolutely a brilliant guy.

00:23:45.000 Trust me, I'm a dummy.

00:23:46.000 Don't listen to those people. 1.00

00:23:48.000 They're dummies too. 1.00

00:23:49.000 If they think I'm smart, it's because they're dumber than me. 1.00

00:23:52.000 So call me dumb, please. 1.00

00:23:53.000 Trust me. 0.80

00:23:54.000 But what I'm saying is, for someone like me that has zero science background, what I always assume is that the way things got better and the way people figured things out is that they just looked at the facts and then when new facts came in, they adjusted accordingly.

00:24:09.000 But it seems like there's resistance against that.

00:24:11.000 Correct.

00:24:12.000 The status quo is very clearly we hand everybody this antidepressant.

00:24:17.000 We're not going to hand them this natural product that's been shown since 1986, 1958 on another large group of research to be beneficial, double-blind, washout studies for benefit and depression.

00:24:30.000 Natural product.

00:24:31.000 They don't want to use natural products because it's, in essence, as I see it, stating that, well, you don't really need the pharmaceutical.

00:24:41.000 You can just get a natural product.

00:24:42.000 So do you think there's just so much money involved in pushing the pharmaceutical drugs that these doctors are reluctant to go against it or not prescribe it or to step out on a limb?

00:24:52.000 Well, you know, the The medical community, the medical boards of every state, it's the standard of care in your community, which means that if there are 100 doctors in a community of physicians and the standard for 99% of them is to use SSRI,

00:25:12.000 the one doctor who uses a non-SSRI can be pulled into the medical board as practicing outside the scope of The medical community, as well as doctors in general don't want to be looked at as being that one person who is trying to introduce something new,

00:25:30.000 revolutionary, something that's worked, something they worked very diligently at for 21 years to show the science and the clinical cases that it works.

00:25:38.000 It's a maverick, and our medical society doesn't work with mavericks. 0.79

00:25:42.000 It works with masks.

00:25:44.000 There's a lot of forces that are kind of stacked up against it, but that doesn't mean that That's a reason to cower and not stand up to it, right?

00:25:51.000 I mean, it's either right or it isn't right.

00:25:53.000 And we're saying, Dr. Gordon is right.

00:25:56.000 And we're going to fight it to our last breath to change it.

00:26:00.000 I mean, 300 million people in America are on antidepressants.

00:26:04.000 And if you're on an antidepressant and you're still depressed, guess what?

00:26:07.000 That's probably not the underlying condition.

00:26:10.000 What science has shown us is a hormonal imbalance.

00:26:14.000 We're able to interdict that and effectively treat it.

00:26:16.000 And the problem is, you know, using the term hormone.

00:26:19.000 I've been slowly getting away from the term hormone.

00:26:21.000 Neuroactive steroids.

00:26:22.000 That's right.

00:26:22.000 Neuroactive steroids.

00:26:24.000 Neuroactive steroids.

00:26:25.000 Neuroactive steroids are, we'll say, neurosteroids.

00:26:27.000 It was found in 1986 by Dr. Blue out of Belou, out of Paris, France, that the brain has the Chemistry.

00:26:36.000 To take cholesterol and to make it into testosterone, make it into pregnenolone, make it into progesterone, allopregnanolone in the brain.

00:26:44.000 For many, many years, biopsies of the brain would find testosterone in it and they thought it came from, you know, your testicles or thyroid in the brain.

00:26:51.000 It came from your thyroid gland in the neck.

00:26:53.000 What we're finding is neurosteroids are made, what we call de novo, within the brain itself.

00:27:01.000 And when you have trauma or inflammation you lose that and that's why I believe based on reading the literature and my interpretation that's what could be faulted how I interpret it is that that is the cause for all the transitions in the brain but there are receptors in the brain that regulate how nerves conduct and what they found is these nerves have not only magnesium zinc there's a valium receptor and they found a pregnenolone receptor So they found a receptor which pregnenolone

00:27:31.000 works to regulate, to smooth out, to calm you down so that you're not having panic attacks or emotional turpitude and yelling, screaming, and picking up a gun and shooting someone or throwing something or yelling or beating someone up, getting assault charges.

00:27:46.000 Sympathetic nervous system is just...

00:27:48.000 I've gone crazy.

00:27:50.000 The entire nervous system goes off. 0.97

00:27:53.000 So, in a sense, what you're saying is there's different types of testosterone, different types of hormones that are produced in different areas of the body that's not just your testicles that are doing it?

00:28:03.000 Correct.

00:28:03.000 It's the same testosterone.

00:28:05.000 You know, people talk about bioequivalent, bio...

00:28:07.000 What is it?

00:28:09.000 Bioequivalent, bioidentical hormones.

00:28:12.000 Testosterone, to be testosterone, has to be equal.

00:28:15.000 Bioequivalent. 0.94

00:28:16.000 So the brain produces the same testosterone as the testicles.

00:28:20.000 The brain produces the same pregnenolone as the cholesterol elsewhere in the body.

00:28:25.000 So when the brain is injured, it no longer produces it at the correct levels?

00:28:30.000 Correct.

00:28:31.000 You lose it.

00:28:31.000 In studies that are done in Alzheimer's patients, they found the frontal lobes of the brain, which regulate executive function, making sure that you make the right decision, you're able to make the coffee in the right sequence, making sure the butter's at the end, is all regulated by the frontal part of the brain,

00:28:47.000 which is the most common area that is damaged in to and fro kind of auto accidents or explosions throwing you back.

00:28:57.000 They found pregnenolone and allopregnenolone deficiency, the same thing we're finding in boxers, in pugilists, in MMA, in everybody.

00:29:04.000 There's a deficiency.

00:29:06.000 And I think I shared with you, NFL did a study where they found that 19 times faster, NFL players are 19 times more prone to develop Alzheimer's disease between 30 and 50 years of age.

00:29:22.000 Wow.

00:29:23.000 Wait a second.

00:29:24.000 30 years of age developing Alzheimer's?

00:29:26.000 Did you see that recent study that said 96% of all former players have CTE? 96%?

00:29:34.000 96%.

00:29:35.000 It's incredible.

00:29:35.000 Let's see.

00:29:36.000 It was...

00:29:38.000 97 out of 98 people, brains that were tested had CTE, which I guess is 96%.

00:29:47.000 Phenomenal.

00:29:48.000 And why don't they do the same testing for military as soldiers when they come back?

00:29:53.000 Yeah, what Dr. Gordon was saying about all the different neurosteroids, for instance, like cholesterol, he's saying, is a precursor to testosterone.

00:30:00.000 But if you take a statin drug that lowers your cholesterol, guess what the byproduct of that is?

00:30:04.000 It messes up your testosterone.

00:30:05.000 So what we're understanding is our chemistry is all linked, man.

00:30:09.000 It's all together.

00:30:10.000 You can't just treat testosterone if the stuff above it...

00:30:14.000 Is affected and you're not treating that.

00:30:15.000 Well, guess what?

00:30:16.000 The military model doesn't even test for that.

00:30:18.000 And if you're not treating things below testosterone, that that produces at that level, if it's deficient or insufficient, then you're not going to get what you need.

00:30:26.000 So until you look at your body, your chemistry as a whole, and you interdict it accordingly, you're going to continue to have these mass problems across the board, and the ones that are manifesting and With soldiers, with fighters, with football players, but you know, and then if you take these drugs and alter it,

00:30:42.000 then with the civilian population as well.

00:30:44.000 So it's not just like a niche market here.

00:30:48.000 It's everybody's affected by this.

00:30:49.000 So this is what's amazing about what Dr. Gordon's doing.

00:30:52.000 It can fix a lot of things.

00:30:53.000 One of the things that has just come up on the table is looking back at the thousand-plus people that we've put on a program.

00:31:00.000 Unfortunately, we only have about 50 veterans on the program.

00:31:03.000 The rest are civilians.

00:31:04.000 What we're seeing is those that are addicted To opioids or narcotics or alcohol addiction are able to get off it rapidly.

00:31:14.000 When Matthew was on here, Matthew was on 15 different drugs.

00:31:17.000 Of that grouping, he was on 8 OxyContin a day, and I spoke to him recently specifically about this.

00:31:23.000 He was taking it for 18 months.

00:31:24.000 He was on morphine, 40 tablets.

00:31:26.000 It's either 40 or 60 milligrams per tablet, and then a fentanyl patch.

00:31:32.000 Which is a pain patch.

00:31:33.000 And in six weeks, he was off of 14 of his 15 medications.

00:31:37.000 A pain patch on top of all those pills?

00:31:39.000 Correct.

00:31:40.000 He had surgery on his jaw with six pins.

00:31:44.000 He had shrapnel pulled out of his left occiput.

00:31:47.000 And he had his left leg, I think it was, shot out.

00:31:50.000 And he had chronic pain.

00:31:52.000 That's why he was on all these pain medications.

00:31:53.000 He's off all that now.

00:31:55.000 Wow.

00:31:56.000 Because, you know, vitamin D deficiency has been found to be a cause for inflammation.

00:32:02.000 It also, low vitamin D, you have a very low pain threshold.

00:32:06.000 Increasing vitamin D improves that.

00:32:08.000 Testosterone changes how we perceive pain.

00:32:11.000 Stabilizing the pregnenolone and all those hormones in the brain changes how we perceive life.

00:32:15.000 When you're depressed, You perceive pain, very little pain, as big pain.

00:32:21.000 When you're not depressed, okay, bump yourself, it gets better.

00:32:25.000 Wow.

00:32:26.000 You know, when we were having this conversation at lunch, when we were talking about this, you were bringing up stem cells and the effect that stem cells are having and stem cell injections on people that have all sorts of serious traumatic injuries.

00:32:42.000 Is that with the brain as well? 0.99

00:32:45.000 Have they figured out how to squirt that shit into your dome? 1.00

00:32:48.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:32:49.000 In, let's see, 2012, I went to Germany, to Düsseldorf, Germany, to work for the doctors there, who was taking autologous stem cells.

00:33:00.000 He'd take out of the patient stem cells, send them to Israel to get them augmented, to increase the amount, and get them back in 48 hours.

00:33:07.000 And then this absolutely incredible three-dimensional positioning needle That used three dimensions, three axes, X, Y, and Z, and was able to go, we drilled a hole in the skull, and we put a needle in, directly into the fourth ventricle,

00:33:23.000 which is that fluid compartment in the brain, and injected the stem cells, and it spread out to the brain stem, because this gentleman had A brainstem hemorrhage.

00:33:33.000 And within 48 hours to 72 hours, he started having these improvements.

00:33:38.000 Hearing improved, physical functioning.

00:33:40.000 He was in a wheelchair with a belt to hold him in place.

00:33:43.000 Three days later, he's not using a belt.

00:33:46.000 For 12 years, since he had his stroke, he wasn't able to pick up a coffee cup, a coffee mug, and hold it.

00:33:53.000 He can only use a straw.

00:33:54.000 He was picking up his coffee cup and drinking it.

00:33:57.000 So there are places around the planet that are using stem cells in people with Alzheimer's, with ALS, with traumatic brain injury, and it's getting benefits.

00:34:09.000 There are benefits.

00:34:10.000 In my projects in Beijing, China, the stem cells called mesenchymal stem cells, which are the ones that a lot of the organs come from, In diabetics, injecting one injection of 10 million mesenchymal cells into the patient through an IV,

00:34:29.000 30% of them lost their diabetes, 45% had a decrease in their insulin requirement, and 25% of them didn't have any effect.

00:34:37.000 Wow.

00:34:38.000 And this is a center with 26 MD PhDs in Beijing that tops in their field.

00:34:46.000 So there's a lot of hope in that as well.

00:34:48.000 Correct.

00:34:49.000 Yeah, that seems like something that would, if you're injecting it, especially directly into the traumatic, the area that's experienced trauma.

00:34:57.000 Yeah, there's an orthopedic buddy of mine, Centaro, who was using autologous stem cells that he'd pull out a patient and inject it into the knees and get rebuilt of the knees without needing surgery.

00:35:10.000 Well, that's what I'm hearing, too, is about rebuilding cartilage, that people have had bone-on-bone cartilage, they're rebuilding it.

00:35:15.000 Correct.

00:35:16.000 There are a couple of protocols.

00:35:17.000 There was one by Dr. Alan R. Dunn out of Miami, an orthopedic surgeon, who showed that if you go in with an arthroscopic scope and you use a burr, which is like a Sandpaper device and you rub the bone and then inject it with growth hormone,

00:35:36.000 that he was able to get 5 to 10 millimeters of regeneration of cartilage.

00:35:40.000 In our office we use prolotherapy.

00:35:42.000 That's huge.

00:35:43.000 Significant.

00:35:44.000 And he did a Harvard study.

00:35:46.000 His publication came at Harvard.

00:35:47.000 He patented the protocol.

00:35:48.000 10 millimeters?

00:35:49.000 That's thick.

00:35:50.000 10 millimeters.

00:35:51.000 That's incredible.

00:35:52.000 Not 10 centimeters, 10 millimeters, 25. Still, that's a pad.

00:35:56.000 Yeah, it's a nice thickness that developed.

00:35:59.000 So, but no one's doing that because it's illegal to use growth hormone in that fashion.

00:36:05.000 Growth hormone has a very restricted use parameters on it.

00:36:08.000 Why is that? 0.99

00:36:09.000 Is it like baseball players and shit? 0.99

00:36:10.000 Well, I think that had a lot to do with it. 0.99

00:36:12.000 Public impressions of it?

00:36:14.000 This stuff works.

00:36:15.000 Yeah.

00:36:15.000 It works phenomenally well.

00:36:18.000 That's so frustrating to me when something that's really, really effective gets illegal because athletes are using it and becoming more effective. 0.95

00:36:25.000 It's so silly. 0.98

00:36:27.000 It's a complete misconception and it's ludicrous. 0.96

00:36:30.000 If the true altruistic goal in medicine is to fix people, Then why are we being restricted and using the things that we see fixing people?

00:36:40.000 Well, the stem cell stuff was...

00:36:42.000 Everybody was always worried that people were going to get it from fetuses and then somehow it was going to encourage abortions until they figured out how to get it from other means.

00:36:50.000 And once they figured out how to get it from other...

00:36:52.000 Now that debate's off the table.

00:36:54.000 But for the longest time, that was the big issue.

00:36:56.000 During the Bush administration, they held back stem cell research because of the right-wing Christians.

00:37:02.000 I think there's...

00:37:03.000 Preposterous. 0.98

00:37:03.000 Yeah, it's so fucking crazy. 0.98

00:37:05.000 Single cell. 0.98

00:37:05.000 We're talking about a single cell here. 0.98

00:37:06.000 Single cell.

00:37:07.000 Yeah.

00:37:08.000 I think it's, what, 10 years that they put the moratorium on doing any research in stem cells, which is giving Switzerland, is giving China, is giving Russia...

00:37:19.000 Massive advantage.

00:37:21.000 To be diagnosed clinically as dead, you have to be brain dead.

00:37:24.000 So if there's not even a brain in there, how can you say that taking a single cell?

00:37:28.000 I mean, picking your nose is going to kill more single cells than doing that for stem cell research. 0.66

00:37:34.000 Quit killing your single cells.

00:37:36.000 But the repercussion of that is a game changer for everything.

00:37:40.000 Yeah, you know, I used to think of stem cells as, wow, that's kind of interesting.

00:37:45.000 Some future therapy, that's going to be cool.

00:37:47.000 Until I got it shot into my shoulder. 1.00

00:37:49.000 Then I'm like, holy fuck! 1.00

00:37:51.000 Like, this is nuts! 0.99

00:37:52.000 Like, this shoulder that's bothering me for a year, not bothering me at all anymore.

00:37:56.000 How quick turnaround was that?

00:37:58.000 A couple weeks.

00:37:59.000 Wow.

00:37:59.000 Within a couple weeks it started feeling great.

00:38:00.000 Now it's two months out.

00:38:02.000 Now it's been two months out.

00:38:03.000 I don't have any pain.

00:38:04.000 PRP or stem cells?

00:38:06.000 Stem cells.

00:38:07.000 Where'd they get the stem cells?

00:38:08.000 Placenta.

00:38:09.000 Oh, placenta.

00:38:10.000 They have a technique which is PRP, which is platelet-rich Platelet-rich plasma, which is similar to...

00:38:15.000 Right, it gets a buffy coat.

00:38:17.000 Well, it's similar to a Regenicane, right?

00:38:19.000 Except that they don't...

00:38:21.000 Regenicane is that stuff that Dr. Peter Welling figured out in Germany.

00:38:25.000 That's the blood-spinning procedure.

00:38:27.000 They heat up the blood.

00:38:29.000 Yeah, this is...

00:38:30.000 It's like a more advanced version of platelet-rich plasma.

00:38:33.000 And what they do in, I think it was Australia, they expose it to a special frequency of ultraviolet light to take care of any of the inflammatory chemistry that's in there through photo deactivation.

00:38:46.000 And the PRP works very well.

00:38:50.000 It's something that's more acceptable than doing autologous stem cell.

00:38:54.000 There's a number of ways to do it, though, is the point.

00:38:55.000 There's a number of different ways to get stem cells.

00:38:58.000 Yeah, well, a lot of UFC fighters are getting it now, and what they're doing, a good percentage of them, they get their fat sucked out of their body.

00:39:05.000 Yeah, adipose.

00:39:05.000 Yeah, and then they're turning that into stem cells, then shooting it into their knees and their shoulders and what have you, and having incredible results.

00:39:13.000 A lot of MMA fighters, a lot of grapplers are doing it.

00:39:15.000 I need to get that done.

00:39:16.000 Yeah, dude, I'm telling you, man, I... I mean, I don't know if mine's an isolated incident, but I'm just so blown away.

00:39:24.000 I was on the verge of surgery.

00:39:26.000 I was thinking, okay, I'll be out for three months.

00:39:28.000 I'll be in a sling for eight weeks.

00:39:30.000 I was going over my head.

00:39:31.000 How much downtime?

00:39:32.000 What could I do during that downtime? 0.83

00:39:34.000 I was preparing to have a useless shoulder.

00:39:37.000 Now, all of a sudden, I'm doing everything.

00:39:39.000 I mean, with zero pain.

00:39:41.000 It just makes some weird noises still.

00:39:43.000 It's kind of crunchy.

00:39:44.000 But there's no pain and no restriction in movement.

00:39:48.000 There's no impingements. 0.60

00:39:52.000 Jerking off is no problem.

00:39:53.000 I have a non-union in my left fibula, so it's broken, and I would love to do that.

00:40:01.000 A non-union in your fibula.

00:40:03.000 Fibula is a small bone.

00:40:05.000 I cracked that once.

00:40:05.000 A non-weight-bearing bone.

00:40:07.000 I have a titanium plate, and it got broken two pieces on my first deployment.

00:40:12.000 And I just never had it fixed.

00:40:14.000 So the plate's broken too?

00:40:15.000 Yeah, the plate's broken.

00:40:16.000 And so they wanted to fix it, but it was like a nine-month rehab.

00:40:20.000 And I was like, no way.

00:40:20.000 Nine months?

00:40:21.000 Yeah.

00:40:22.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:40:23.000 But it doesn't work now, right?

00:40:24.000 Right.

00:40:25.000 So they would take the titanium plate out, re-graph it, have to graph it, take stuff from my hip, apparently.

00:40:33.000 And I was just like, it's not worth it.

00:40:35.000 I'm just going to keep on keeping on.

00:40:37.000 And then I found out about stem cells, and I'm just going to wait until I can do that.

00:40:41.000 I'll be back next week.

00:40:42.000 And can the stem cells fix that? 0.86

00:40:44.000 They can help with bones that are, if they're close enough, help with non-union.

00:40:50.000 Fusion, help with fusion.

00:40:51.000 Well, yeah, it could help regenerate and then speed up the therapy time, the turnaround time until you're well again.

00:40:57.000 So if it's nine months now, maybe it's three months.

00:41:01.000 I mean, that to me is a win.

00:41:02.000 It's just so frustrating when you hear about how much time they spent Banning stem cell research because of the new research they're doing now on regenerating things I mean they've just they've sequenced the gene of the flat worm and they think they're gonna be able to figure out within you know X amount of years how to regenerate limbs like what the fuck man I mean that we're getting into some really crazy area with innovative science and medicine so what do we do we stop using all the technology that can help people today waiting for the

00:41:32.000 technology of Decade from now.

00:41:34.000 Well, that's even sillier.

00:41:36.000 Definitely don't think you should see that.

00:41:37.000 It's so fascinating.

00:41:39.000 No reasons being applied is a problem.

00:41:40.000 Yeah.

00:41:41.000 Well, it seems to me that stem cells would be a really good one for people with traumatic brain injury.

00:41:47.000 What do you think about that?

00:41:48.000 No, I think stem cells is a good option.

00:41:52.000 But what is it that you're looking at?

00:41:53.000 You're looking at someone who has had a loss of a segment of their brain.

00:41:57.000 You want to try and regenerate it.

00:41:59.000 Is that possible?

00:42:01.000 We know from studies that were done back in 1911. There was Dr. Cajal, 1928. There's a doc up in McGill University, a guru, Arturo Aguro, who does regenerative research.

00:42:15.000 The only reason why nerves can't regenerate is because they're in a non-permissive environment, is what I call it, in the lecture I give on this specific topic.

00:42:25.000 Is that there are so many chemicals in the brain that are trying to foster regeneration of nerve.

00:42:32.000 Like for instance, UCLA is doing a study on a byproduct of progesterone called allopregnanolone, which is neuro-regenerative, A synaptogenic, which means that the connection from one nerve to another nerve is a synapse.

00:42:46.000 If it's damaged, it can regenerate it.

00:42:49.000 Also, allopregnanolone is a free radical scavenger.

00:42:52.000 As we age, as our biochemistry changes and the energy production in our brain through mitochondria changes, a lot more of oxidation occurs, or free radicals, and that's called oxidative stress.

00:43:05.000 And it's believed, especially in great articles by a gentleman at USC, Caleb Finch, talks about aging of the brain and loss of our functioning due to this oxidative stress.

00:43:16.000 And he believes that oxidative stress leads to hormone deficiency, leads to physical deficiency and death.

00:43:25.000 A recent group of articles showed we're seeing a lot of a type of diabetes called insulin-resistant diabetes where you're making too much insulin because it's not being recognized by the cells.

00:43:38.000 So they found in these group of articles came out that if there's inflammation of an area of the brain called the hypothalamus which regulates our energy use that it could predispose you to developing this situation called insulin-resistant diabetes or the metabolic syndrome.

00:43:54.000 So we've been tracking our patient population who have had significant head trauma, whether or not it's blast with physical injury or blunt head injury, someone who fell off a second story and hit their head, was unconscious for a month.

00:44:06.000 They're developed, they've developed or they came into the office already with this insulin resistance and it's easy to fix.

00:44:14.000 Correct their hormones, give them chromate.

00:44:17.000 What's chromate?

00:44:18.000 Chromate is a mineral, a metal, which is important for insulin recognition at the cell wall.

00:44:26.000 And it was called by C. Everett Koop the insulin-tolerant factor back in the late 90s.

00:44:33.000 So this chromium hooked up to a niacin called chromium polynicotinate.

00:44:40.000 Its trade name is called chromate.

00:44:42.000 We use it for our patients with this type 2 diabetes called insulin resistance, and they all reverse.

00:44:48.000 They all get better.

00:44:50.000 Their blood sugar's stabilized, their fats get better, and their insulin comes down.

00:44:54.000 So we had, in fact, one of our neighbors had an insulin level 117. It should be less than 25. Once we corrected his testosterone and his chromium, his levels dropped down below 30, which is where you'd like to have it.

00:45:08.000 You know, I was listening to this Radiolab podcast recently, and they were talking about lithium.

00:45:12.000 There's a woman who takes lithium because she's, I guess it's bipolar. 1.00

00:45:15.000 Bipolar.

00:45:16.000 And I didn't know lithium is just a salt.

00:45:19.000 Lithium chloride or yeah sodium.

00:45:22.000 Yeah, it's just it's just an element and she takes this and she's fine.

00:45:28.000 Yeah, I haven't looked at it, but there are people you can buy it over the counter now, but lithium you can buy over the counter and it I haven't for what?

00:45:37.000 That's what I need to go learn Lithium. 0.96

00:45:41.000 Yeah, because it seems like, for me, ignorantly, when I heard that, I was like, well, I thought lithium was some hardcore Prozac-type drug that, you know, they put people on when they're out of their fucking mind. 0.88

00:45:52.000 I didn't think it was just assault. 0.89

00:45:54.000 Yeah, it's mental.

00:45:55.000 Was it beneficial, Dr. Gordon, or can that be used to...

00:45:58.000 No, it was beneficial.

00:45:59.000 Starting to...

00:46:00.000 What started it was I would see patients coming in with bipolar and being on lithium and then started seeing patients who were coming in on it, you know, just taking it because of articles in Life Extension Magazine or one of those other science-based journals or magazines.

00:46:18.000 But I haven't had a chance to go and look at it closely.

00:46:22.000 But...

00:46:22.000 It's very impressive.

00:46:23.000 It's the metals, you know.

00:46:24.000 It's like magnesium works on one of the brain receptors that if you take magnesium, it'll make you calm.

00:46:31.000 Magnesium, metal.

00:46:32.000 You're talking about a salt, magnesium, carbonate, magnesium.

00:46:34.000 Well, zinc makes your testosterone go up, right?

00:46:37.000 Correct.

00:46:38.000 Zinc's involved in 300 processes in the body.

00:46:40.000 It's antiviral, anti-cancer, and it's anti-Alzheimer's.

00:46:44.000 And 300 processes in the body.

00:46:46.000 One of them is a natural aromatase inhibitor.

00:46:48.000 So I've never used arimidex in my practice or anastrosol in my practice.

00:46:53.000 What does that mean, aromatase inhibitor?

00:46:54.000 Aromatase.

00:46:54.000 Well, testosterone converts to estradiol naturally.

00:46:59.000 The body adapts to what we do to it.

00:47:02.000 If you give an overwhelming amount of testosterone to the body, the body says, oh, now what am I going to do with this?

00:47:07.000 So it'll either send it down to estrogen, estradiol, or it'll send it to another thing called dihydrotestosterone.

00:47:14.000 Estradiol, obviously, you get man boobs, you get, you know, crying, wimping, and so forth. 0.97

00:47:19.000 And DHT causes hair loss, causes testicles to shimmy. 0.99

00:47:23.000 I like how you looked at my head when you said that. 0.95

00:47:25.000 You sat up?

00:47:27.000 My back.

00:47:28.000 So, there are side effects.

00:47:31.000 So, in replenishing testosterone, you have to be careful with the balance you use.

00:47:35.000 Otherwise, you start throwing things in like anastrosol, which blocks estradiol, which is extremely important for generating growth hormone in the brain, helping blood flow, and keeping the immune system unique to the brain functional.

00:47:47.000 So, you know, everything we do, there's always a risk-to-benefit factor that needs to be looked at, and I think that some of the risk factors are being ignored.

00:47:55.000 This woman in this Radiolab podcast, she was having an issue with kidney failure, and they were going to make her get off of the lithium. 0.96

00:48:03.000 So lithium has a negative effect?

00:48:07.000 It has toxicity, and it's dose-dependent toxicity, and then the uniqueness of a person's biochemistry can make a very low amount toxic for you, where another person, it's meaningless.

00:48:16.000 So for this woman, it was this massive conflict because this stuff was saving her.

00:48:21.000 I mean, it allowed her to be herself, and now all of a sudden they were telling her, you're going to have to get off of it, and she had been off of it before and just lost her marbles.

00:48:31.000 Saving her and killing her at the same time, yeah.

00:48:33.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

00:48:35.000 Is there another way that people can avoid that?

00:48:40.000 Is there another way that they can avoid the effects of being bipolar, exercise, diet, anything?

00:48:45.000 Well, do you want to say anything about that, Andrew?

00:48:50.000 We think that you can treat that by treating the neuroactive steroids in the brain.

00:48:54.000 And it's been shown that It's been backed up by evidence and proof in his clinical application as well that that's very much the case.

00:49:02.000 So how's that work?

00:49:06.000 Testosterone is generally perceived as being a sex hormone or being a reproductive hormone.

00:49:12.000 What we're finding is that it's involved in an incredible array of different processes in the body.

00:49:19.000 Studies on the The emotional center of the brain, the limbic system, found that it helps to stabilize panic and also anger and aggression and reactiveness to our environment.

00:49:31.000 If it's low, you're hyperreactive.

00:49:33.000 They're finding that in anorexia nervosa.

00:49:37.000 Women who are, you know, starving themselves, who have psychological issues to it, if they don't respond to treatment, giving them testosterone improves it. 0.99

00:49:47.000 So what we're starting to see is these neurosteroids and neuroactive steroids have influence on an array of psychological or mood disorders.

00:49:59.000 And one of them is in bipolar, in the case that we're Just touching on a gentleman who was diagnosed with bipolar by the military and was put onto lithium and also ADD at the same time.

00:50:16.000 And then what happened was he was given a challenge test with a low dose of testosterone and within 32 hours or so, his symptoms disappeared.

00:50:26.000 That's incredible.

00:50:29.000 The combination of things working together synergistically is one of the most incredible parts of it.

00:50:34.000 Correct.

00:50:34.000 And this is something that it just seems that a lot of people are just simply not aware of.

00:50:39.000 Correct. 0.98

00:50:40.000 The analogy that I use is, you know, brand new Corvettes are absolute bitchin' cars. 0.96

00:50:45.000 And it's like having a Corvette with four flat tires. 0.94

00:50:49.000 Now all we're going to do is we're going to fill up one of the tires with air and you're going to try and drive the car.

00:50:54.000 You're not going to be able to drive the car.

00:50:55.000 Let's fill up the front two tires and drive.

00:50:58.000 Okay, let's go and fill up three and a half tires and you're going to drive.

00:51:01.000 It's not going to happen.

00:51:02.000 The synergy is in all the hormones that we have in our body, all the chemistry.

00:51:07.000 Work together to give us a level of benefit of function that one by itself cannot do.

00:51:13.000 And if you look at the failure reports that are in traumatic brain injury since 1959, it's called a futility failure where these big pharmaceutical companies took these great drugs and gave one product to an individual with traumatic brain injury and they didn't get any benefit greater than 10%.

00:51:31.000 That's called failure or futility failure.

00:51:34.000 And it's because, and other people are writing, the because is because our system is so complex.

00:51:39.000 How do you expect one product to fix it?

00:51:44.000 It can't.

00:51:46.000 Everything's got to be balanced.

00:51:48.000 It's all got to be balanced.

00:51:49.000 There's such an issue in this country when it comes to mental health, that mental health doesn't get looked at like the health of a bone or the health of a muscle.

00:51:57.000 If you have a torn muscle, you have to get an emergency operation to reattach it. 1.00

00:52:03.000 But if your brain is fucked, it's like, come on, don't be a pussy. 1.00

00:52:07.000 Toughen up or stop being so down on yourself. 1.00

00:52:11.000 We're the sum of our chemistry.

00:52:13.000 I mean, that's the deal.

00:52:14.000 And when that's affected, that's when you have these different things that manifest.

00:52:18.000 And that's why we're seeing so many of the vets coming back and committing suicide because they've been instilled with exactly what you said. 1.00

00:52:25.000 Don't be a pussy. 1.00

00:52:27.000 Man up and do it. 1.00

00:52:28.000 And that's why it was easy for me to say, well, I can speak to my credibility that that's not the case. 0.99

00:52:35.000 So let's find some damn answers because I'm falling off the crazy train. 0.97

00:52:39.000 Right, right, right. 0.99

00:52:40.000 Yeah, for a guy like you, that's where it's so clear. 1.00

00:52:43.000 It's like, you know you're not a pussy, so what the hell's going on? 1.00

00:52:45.000 Yeah, exactly. 1.00

00:52:46.000 Whereas people that have self-doubt, it's like, well, maybe I just can't.

00:52:49.000 Right, well, maybe they're right, and maybe what the psychologist says is right.

00:52:52.000 Maybe I should take this medication, and now that's compounding a problem and making it even bigger.

00:52:58.000 And that's why we're having these suicides.

00:53:00.000 And also, you know, one of the things that's been fascinating to me over the last couple years is finding out all the different things that we do that change the hormone levels of our body.

00:53:09.000 Like all the different things you could do during the day that up your testosterone, including like just what they call peacocking.

00:53:16.000 Driving a nice car around a bunch of young ladies actually raises your testosterone. 1.00

00:53:22.000 Like, what the fuck is going on with our bodies?

00:53:24.000 Like, how weird is it that there's, like, moods, the changing in mood, like, happy moments, like, literally will change the chemical makeup. 0.97

00:53:33.000 It's the evolution of man, you know what I mean?

00:53:35.000 And that was a natural selection that, when women were round, I was gonna, you know, you're gonna perk up. 0.99

00:53:41.000 Gotta get ready to party.

00:53:42.000 Gotta get ready to party.

00:53:43.000 When a woman ovulates at day 14, 15, 16, there's a spike in testosterone. 0.98

00:53:50.000 So she's ovulating. 0.99

00:53:51.000 She has a spike in her testosterone. 1.00

00:53:53.000 What does she want to do? 0.87

00:53:54.000 Get her party on. 0.71

00:53:55.000 Get a party on.

00:53:56.000 She wants to get that fertilization dance going. 1.00

00:54:00.000 Fertilization dance.

00:54:01.000 Doesn't that happen?

00:54:01.000 That happens also to a lot of women that get older.

00:54:04.000 When they put them on hormone replacement, once they experience menopause, they have more testosterone.

00:54:10.000 They get hornier.

00:54:11.000 Correct.

00:54:12.000 If you just follow aging of men and women, as men who are testosterone-based age, they lose their testosterone and they have more estrogen. 0.99

00:54:21.000 That's why we become pussies as we get older. 0.97

00:54:25.000 Women, on the other hand, lose their estrogen and gain more testosterone. 0.99

00:54:29.000 That's why you start seeing facial hair and they start taking the command position in the relationship as they get older.

00:54:36.000 And it's this flipping of the hormones.

00:54:38.000 Hey, Dr. Gordon, I wanted to touch on the, and Joe, you asked about it, the able to regrow anything in the brain.

00:54:44.000 It's called neuroplasticity, you know, right, Dr. Gordon?

00:54:46.000 And I wanted to dumb it down for the listeners or guys that maybe are like me that are listening.

00:54:51.000 Are we able to fix our brains?

00:54:53.000 And science has said yes.

00:54:54.000 And I found this out before I met Dr. Gordon and I was hearing about some of these things and treatments I was at about neuroplasticity and basically being able to regenerate the neuronal pathways, okay?

00:55:05.000 So we have shearing of the neurons in a traumatic brain injury.

00:55:10.000 And that causes some of the issues that we have.

00:55:13.000 But what we now know is we can form new neuronal pathways in the brain.

00:55:18.000 And we can stimulate that through a number of ways.

00:55:22.000 Learning something that you've never learned will stimulate that.

00:55:25.000 Treating it with what you're deficient in, you know, neurosteroid-wise.

00:55:30.000 We'll fix that.

00:55:31.000 So we thought, like, can you teach an old dog new tricks?

00:55:35.000 We thought the answer was no, but now we know that that's not correct.

00:55:38.000 We can regenerate neuronal pathways in the brain.

00:55:41.000 Anybody can do it, and you can keep yourself, you can continue to get sharper as your age through these treatments.

00:55:48.000 I think people get sharper, too, when they try new things.

00:55:52.000 Absolutely.

00:55:52.000 And that's part of the science behind, okay, well, that builds new neural pathways.

00:55:56.000 And we didn't think that that was possible.

00:55:58.000 I don't know how long we just figured that out.

00:56:00.000 But when I heard that two years ago and people were telling me, hey, this is the new you, just accept it.

00:56:05.000 And I was like, well, this is the last class I was in.

00:56:07.000 He told me about neuroplasticity.

00:56:08.000 So which one is it?

00:56:09.000 You either can regenerate and renew or you can't.

00:56:12.000 I think it was Fort Collins and a Dr. Twili who was doing just that, introducing to vets who had dramatic brain injury with Nintendo with certain type of gains to get the visual manual dexterity which would help to improve their cognitive ability because of doing just that,

00:56:32.000 using learning something new.

00:56:34.000 What's that thing called?

00:56:36.000 Sudoku?

00:56:37.000 Yeah.

00:56:38.000 Sudoku.

00:56:38.000 Sudoku, which forces you to do intense thinking, which can help build new pathways.

00:56:45.000 In literature that I used to read in Alzheimer's, I have a lecture on it, they found that if you looked at the academic The academic experience of an individual when they get Alzheimer's, the people who have the highest academic achievements,

00:57:02.000 meaning MDs, PhDs, and so forth, compared to people who just have a high school diploma, that those people with a higher education have a slower progression of Alzheimer's disease.

00:57:14.000 And that's because they've built parallel pathways, a lot of pathways.

00:57:18.000 So if you lose this pathway, you've got this one as an alternate backdoor or backup system.

00:57:23.000 Side door, yeah.

00:57:24.000 So, you know...

00:57:25.000 But it also makes sense in relation to exercise.

00:57:27.000 Like, the more exercise...

00:57:29.000 I mean, when people don't exercise, they experience atrophy.

00:57:31.000 Right.

00:57:32.000 When, you know, when your life has the exact same path every day, the exact same stimuli, nothing varies.

00:57:38.000 When that happens, it's very easy for your mind to just atrophy.

00:57:44.000 Correct.

00:57:44.000 If you don't challenge yourself in life, then you're going to atrophy in every area.

00:57:49.000 So that's the onus on the individual, you know what I mean? 0.95

00:57:52.000 Yeah, and that's also why people that are sort of adrenaline junkies, they kind of ramp it up all the time, more and more and more, until the other people around them are like, you're fucking getting a little crazy here, buddy.

00:58:03.000 But it's because it takes more for them to get that juice.

00:58:07.000 They don't get it from the original thing.

00:58:11.000 Their baseline is pushed higher above the average line.

00:58:14.000 You know, I have patients who get onto a program, and after four or six months they say, Doc, I don't feel...

00:58:21.000 The same as I did at the beginning.

00:58:23.000 I said, well, at the beginning you were at zero, now you're at 100. We're at the top.

00:58:28.000 Right.

00:58:28.000 What more, you've already had that contrast from zero to 100. And the analogy I use is, you know, it's 100 degrees outside and you've got a pool that's 86 degrees.

00:58:36.000 When you jump into the pool, it's initially cold.

00:58:38.000 And then your body adapts and you don't feel that temperature difference.

00:58:41.000 Is the temperature any different?

00:58:43.000 No, it's the same thing.

00:58:44.000 You've adapted.

00:58:45.000 So what happens is we adapt.

00:58:48.000 To not feeling the contrast because there's no contrast.

00:58:51.000 You're already at the top.

00:58:53.000 Does that make any sense?

00:58:54.000 Yeah, it totally makes sense.

00:58:55.000 Yeah, so this is what people have to understand.

00:58:58.000 And, you know, every week I get one or two patients, you know, call up and say, Doc, I just don't feel as good as I did in the beginning.

00:59:04.000 Have you changed?

00:59:05.000 Have you dropped in your functionality?

00:59:06.000 No, in fact, I'm going to be running a, you know, a marathon.

00:59:09.000 Well, were you able to do that last time?

00:59:11.000 No, I'm not.

00:59:12.000 Now I'm in the gym six days a week instead of once a week or once a month.

00:59:16.000 I said, your entire lifestyle is updated, but you're not feeling as good?

00:59:19.000 And I just can't get a full understanding.

00:59:22.000 Their level of function is up here, but they're telling me that they're not doing as well.

00:59:26.000 Is it just because they're used to it?

00:59:29.000 Is that what it is?

00:59:30.000 Yeah.

00:59:31.000 The massive improvement they had in the beginning was like this new state.

00:59:35.000 Almost like getting water in your ear.

00:59:38.000 And then the water comes out.

00:59:40.000 It's a contrast.

00:59:41.000 Hormones always give the body a contrast between low level and higher level.

00:59:47.000 Not excessive, but higher level.

00:59:49.000 And you adapt to it.

00:59:50.000 You know, what happens with heroin addicts?

00:59:53.000 It's a bad example.

00:59:54.000 But the same thing.

00:59:55.000 They get what's called tachyphylaxis.

00:59:56.000 They don't feel the same high.

00:59:58.000 Everybody chases that first high.

01:00:01.000 And you're never going to have that first high.

01:00:03.000 Because that was the first time that you just whacked all your neurons in your brain with this new drug, you know, heroin.

01:00:10.000 Yeah, chasing the dragon, right?

01:00:11.000 Chasing the dragon, correct.

01:00:12.000 Well, it makes sense.

01:00:13.000 I mean, when something is unique in the beginning and special and fantastic, it gives you this, whoa!

01:00:19.000 But then when that's a normal thing, then you go, ah, just, you know, it worked for me in the beginning, and then it stopped working for me.

01:00:25.000 It hasn't changed.

01:00:26.000 And you'd show them their blood levels.

01:00:27.000 Their blood levels, like I had a, in fact, it was, I think it was Jordan, Who was very, very low in testosterone.

01:00:35.000 I think it was like a 2 when it should be a 14. And his total was like 220 and should be about 700. And he complains that he's not feeling as well.

01:00:46.000 We did his blood work and his free testosterone was like 14, 13.99.

01:00:52.000 And his total was 801. So he's like four times above where he was before.

01:00:56.000 And he's saying he doesn't feel any better.

01:00:58.000 That's crazy.

01:00:58.000 So he just got used to this elevated state.

01:01:01.000 Correct.

01:01:01.000 He's functioning at a higher level.

01:01:03.000 You know, I've been on treatment.

01:01:04.000 That's what happens to rich people, too, right?

01:01:05.000 Is that right?

01:01:05.000 Yeah, that's what they said.

01:01:06.000 I haven't been there yet.

01:01:09.000 You start to crave different things, right?

01:01:12.000 But the problem with that is we lose focus and the clarity of the present moment.

01:01:17.000 That's the problem, man.

01:01:18.000 I crave a different emotion when you need to be experiencing the emotion that you're having right now.

01:01:23.000 Living in that. 1.00

01:01:24.000 Isn't that part of what the problem of being a fucking person is? 0.99

01:01:27.000 Because we're always striving for the new thing. 0.99

01:01:29.000 We're always striving for improvement.

01:01:31.000 We always want a better time on our run. 0.98

01:01:34.000 We always want a better this, a better that, the newest car, the fucking update to the house. 1.00

01:01:39.000 All that shit. 1.00

01:01:40.000 We're constantly... 1.00

01:01:41.000 No one is ever like, hey, it's pretty good.

01:01:44.000 Isn't that apathy?

01:01:46.000 I think it's chasing certain emotions and trying to run away from other ones when there's opportunity for growth and development and ultimately contribution in all of them.

01:01:56.000 And they all can produce that if you're able to, instead of run from it, maybe look at it and see what that can provide you.

01:02:02.000 And what can you do to provide that to somebody else?

01:02:07.000 Yeah, it makes sense.

01:02:08.000 Totally makes sense.

01:02:09.000 It just seems to me that the way you approach life and the philosophy that you have that you take through life can either contribute or take away from your happiness.

01:02:22.000 And that it's all these things.

01:02:24.000 It's not just the hormonal balance, it's not just the health of the physical body, but it's also the approach that you have to life.

01:02:31.000 The way you look at things can sort of affect and balance all that stuff out in a way.

01:02:37.000 I mean, you need everything.

01:02:38.000 You need the big picture.

01:02:39.000 Absolutely.

01:02:40.000 I think if you wrap your happiness around passion or pleasure, those are fleeting.

01:02:45.000 You know what I mean?

01:02:46.000 So if you can instead wrap it around purpose or meaning, then you're going to be a long-term happy.

01:02:51.000 But pleasure, passion, things like that, that's short term.

01:02:55.000 People chasing pleasure, man, and that doesn't make you happy in the end.

01:02:58.000 No, you know, my friend Steve Rinello has a really funny way of, uh, he talks about things that are really fun when you're doing them, and then things that are really fun after they're done.

01:03:08.000 He's like, some things are really fun while you're doing them, but after they're done, they don't give you any, like a roller coaster.

01:03:13.000 Right.

01:03:13.000 A roller coaster doesn't give you anything after it's over.

01:03:16.000 But, like, there's some miserable trips that you go on, well, afterwards you'll spend hours and hours laughing with your friends, like, dude, that sucks so hard!

01:03:24.000 Absolutely. 0.99

01:03:25.000 And you'd be laughing about how fucking cold you were, and you're camping, and you're freezing your dick off. 1.00

01:03:32.000 Excuse me while I blow my nose. 0.99

01:03:35.000 Remembering a perceived negative time and putting a positive light on it, you know what I mean?

01:03:39.000 Absolutely.

01:03:40.000 It's also understanding that a lot of like what is good is very difficult to do and it becomes like your goal setting and then achieving those goals becomes this this feeling of pleasure and a good thing.

01:03:54.000 Whereas opposed to so many people just want comfort and quiet and peace, but with none of the hard work and that you don't appreciate it then.

01:04:03.000 Absolutely.

01:04:04.000 You're like a spoiled child.

01:04:07.000 Like, spoiled kids don't appreciate what they have in their life.

01:04:10.000 Someone who works really hard and, you know, they've gone through hard times, then when things turn well, they're like, God, this is so good to not have to worry about money now, to not have to worry about where my next meal's coming from, to have a nice home and, you know, a nice bed to sleep in.

01:04:25.000 If you look at the Richard Branson's and the Job's and so forth, they came from nothing and they built something.

01:04:31.000 They worked.

01:04:32.000 They were hungry and developed something or had a world that was fulfilled everything that they could think of.

01:04:39.000 They had the desire to achieve that goal as opposed to people who are given everything on a silver platter.

01:04:44.000 They don't have aspirations.

01:04:46.000 They don't have the drive.

01:04:48.000 I think you achieve that goal, that is kind of a pleasure you're talking about, Joe, but like when you look back and look at the journey that it took from where you started to get to that goal, that's where you can feel purposeful and proud of it.

01:05:00.000 That lasts longer than the feeling of accomplishing that goal, the journey.

01:05:04.000 What a weird world we live in, isn't it?

01:05:07.000 Trying to manage all this stuff and trying to figure out what's the most, what's the optimum way to get through life?

01:05:14.000 What's the best way to approach it?

01:05:16.000 How much emphasis to put on the mind?

01:05:19.000 How much emphasis to put on the body?

01:05:21.000 The relationships that you have with the people in your life greatly affect how you feel about life.

01:05:27.000 The people in your life, they can affect your hormones.

01:05:31.000 They can affect your hormone levels, they can affect your cortisol levels, they can affect all those things.

01:05:37.000 Someone said that, I talk a lot and I tell them that because of having four women at home, three daughters and the wife, that the opportunity that I have to speak is always outside.

01:05:51.000 Because inside the house, you know...

01:05:52.000 You just listen.

01:05:53.000 I just listen.

01:05:54.000 Just try to sort out these aliens that you live with and all their... 1.00

01:05:57.000 Especially if I matched you.

01:05:59.000 I got three daughters and a wife, too.

01:06:01.000 I got the same package.

01:06:02.000 Yeah, I also got two boys.

01:06:03.000 We'll commiserate later.

01:06:04.000 Oh, you got a full house.

01:06:05.000 You got chaos in your house, sir.

01:06:06.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:06:07.000 That's how we live.

01:06:08.000 That's chaos. 0.62

01:06:08.000 Like I said, in feces, urine, and poop nonstop. 0.62

01:06:11.000 Yeah.

01:06:13.000 But as they get older, they mature into this delight as my daughter over there and the other two daughters that aren't here.

01:06:20.000 Just a delight.

01:06:21.000 And that journey you were talking about and the effect of the environment on your psychological well-being, you know, it's a roller coaster.

01:06:29.000 I've gone through a roller coaster with each one of the daughters and I've come to that landing.

01:06:34.000 You know, where you get off the roller coaster finally at this age and you look back and you start laughing on some of the silly things that happen.

01:06:42.000 And my daughter came to me a couple of weeks ago and basically, you know, said, yeah, we went through some silly time.

01:06:49.000 Let's have some great time.

01:06:50.000 And it was one of the most revelating kind of nights I could have had.

01:06:55.000 It was the best night and going out and having a good, you know, 40 year old scotch or something.

01:06:59.000 But you owe me that.

01:07:00.000 This last year, I read Viktor Frankl's Man's Search for Meaning, and it just changed my outlook on everything, and he went through the Holocaust, and basically the book was the premise of some people survive the Holocaust.

01:07:14.000 Is that like the Holocaust? 0.93

01:07:16.000 That's a Texan in me.

01:07:19.000 The Holocaust. 0.82

01:07:22.000 Some people survived it, right, and were able to have meaning while others just gave up and died.

01:07:30.000 And what was the reasoning behind that was kind of how the book looked at it.

01:07:35.000 And it was the people who survived, like 9%, The commonality was everybody had some kind of a meaning, right?

01:07:43.000 Some kind of purpose outside of themselves that was wrapped in how they could better somebody else's life in some form or fashion.

01:07:51.000 And that purpose, that meaning to their life allowed them to be able to endure whatever came their way because they had a purpose to endure it.

01:07:59.000 The person that didn't have a meaning put on their life for whatever reason Just at the end, that was too much.

01:08:05.000 They just gave in and said, I give up, and eventually died.

01:08:08.000 And that was the difference.

01:08:09.000 You know what I mean?

01:08:10.000 And we can replicate that in our own life.

01:08:12.000 You can wrap your life around meaning and purpose and tie that to how you can contribute to put value into somebody else's life.

01:08:20.000 I found that puts value into you.

01:08:22.000 You know what I mean?

01:08:22.000 So I think the purpose of life is to live a life of purpose.

01:08:26.000 That's a very good way of putting it and it makes you feel better about your life, too And like cynical people will say well there is no purpose in the end You know you're gonna take a dirt nap and that's all the time that you have here is just bullshit But the reality is that bullshit is way better when you believe that you have a purpose And when you live for a purpose and when you work hard and you achieve things like goal setting They say that one of the most important things for people to achieve happiness is the setting and achieving of goals It's setting and achieving of goals,

01:08:55.000 whether it's simple, like completing a project.

01:08:57.000 I want to start a garden in my yard. 0.98

01:08:58.000 You know, you want to put up posts and grow plants, and then when you eat a salad from those plants, you go, I fucking did it.

01:09:04.000 Like, you get a feeling, a natural feeling of accomplishment from an art project, from anything you want to do.

01:09:09.000 Fixing the shed whatever it is like when you set a goal and you do your best and you achieve That's part of what made human beings what we are today in 2015 those those natural word systems are in our DNA And if you you follow those and you live by those you will have a more fulfilled life a happier life I agree.

01:09:30.000 I agree.

01:09:31.000 And it's a fulfillment.

01:09:34.000 It's a joy that you get that you don't need anybody else to say to you, good job.

01:09:39.000 Because it's self-generated.

01:09:41.000 It's your own self-reward.

01:09:42.000 As opposed to people who search for someone else to tap on the back.

01:09:47.000 You know, people come up to me and...

01:09:49.000 I'm very sensitive about the fact that people say, what a great job I'm doing in whatever I'm doing.

01:09:54.000 I know I'm doing a good job because that's my purpose.

01:09:57.000 That's my purpose.

01:09:58.000 I don't need to have someone to tell me to, you know, I've been doing a good job.

01:10:02.000 You're not a slacker.

01:10:04.000 If you weren't doing your best, you'd be going against yourself, right?

01:10:07.000 So you don't need anybody.

01:10:08.000 I'm very hypercritical about myself because, you know...

01:10:12.000 You look around the planet, how many people are putting in the effort for helping other people?

01:10:18.000 Right.

01:10:19.000 I mean, really, truly helping without, you know, helping.

01:10:21.000 Not that I do 100% because I'm selfish.

01:10:24.000 I need to have my stotch and my car and whatever else.

01:10:28.000 Trying to improve well-being, right?

01:10:30.000 Improve well-being across the board.

01:10:33.000 Yeah, there's really no good manual on how to live life.

01:10:37.000 And even if there was, it might not apply to you.

01:10:40.000 You know, I mean, nobody could tell you, like, what's going to make one person happy is not necessarily going to make another person happy.

01:10:46.000 You know, we're here talking about goal setting and working hard.

01:10:51.000 For some people, that's actually not it.

01:10:54.000 For some people, what do they want to do?

01:10:56.000 They just want to have a good group of friends and be around them and have nice meals and good conversations, and that's it.

01:11:02.000 They literally don't have a desire for these other things.

01:11:05.000 But for people like you that have this burning desire to know things and improve upon things and to do good work, for you, that's your path.

01:11:14.000 That's it.

01:11:15.000 I think simple is to get so wrapped up in the day-to-day rat race of life that they don't put their head up and say, man, I... I'm totally missing the boat, man.

01:11:25.000 There is no meaning.

01:11:26.000 There is no purpose to how I'm doing anything.

01:11:28.000 I would think people really thought about it.

01:11:30.000 They might not do what Joe Rogan wants to do or what Mark Gordon wants to do, but they're like, hey, I want to do something.

01:11:36.000 If it's not just tied around totally...

01:11:39.000 I just want to hang out and not give anything out to anybody.

01:11:42.000 You're not going to get anything in return.

01:11:44.000 I don't think anybody wants to do that in their right mind.

01:11:47.000 It's just so hard for people to find out what it is that they want to do and then how do I go about pursuing that and how do I go about pursuing that while avoiding the idea of choosing just a job that's going to give you security.

01:12:01.000 You know, a job that you don't want to do, but hey, you know, it's going to give me dental.

01:12:04.000 That's a big factor in a lot of people's lives.

01:12:07.000 The non-pursuing of dreams.

01:12:09.000 That somehow or another, these dreams are dangerous.

01:12:12.000 You've got to go after it with no fear of failure.

01:12:15.000 Don't even let failure enter into the equation.

01:12:17.000 What would you do if you knew you couldn't fail at it?

01:12:19.000 That's what I would tell people to do.

01:12:20.000 That's what I tell my kids.

01:12:21.000 Whatever you're passionate about, that's where you need to start.

01:12:24.000 You know what I mean?

01:12:24.000 That's where you need to go.

01:12:25.000 And guess what?

01:12:26.000 Not because of a dental program.

01:12:26.000 You're going to have Failure.

01:12:28.000 Absolutely.

01:12:28.000 Failure is important for growth and learning.

01:12:31.000 You know, I have it all the time.

01:12:32.000 It's good.

01:12:33.000 It's like a vitamin.

01:12:35.000 You gotta take it. 1.00

01:12:36.000 Fuel yourself with the fuck-ups. 0.99

01:12:38.000 That's what I always say. 0.99

01:12:39.000 Talking about, you know, failure, one of the stories I keep on...

01:12:43.000 What I'm repeating and using as a goal for myself is, there was a PUP reporter that interviewed Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Edison, before he passed away.

01:12:54.000 And he said to him, you know, Mr. Edison, your development of the incandescent bulb was what revolutionized.

01:13:00.000 It took us from the stone ages to modern living.

01:13:03.000 And, you know, but how do you feel about these over 1108 failures that you had with the bulbs?

01:13:11.000 Thomas Edison says, well, Sonny, I don't look at them as being failures, just as things that didn't work.

01:13:16.000 And it's by having that attitude of looking at what we do in our daily life as not failures, meaning that you're worthless and you're incapable and therefore you should stop what you're doing, but looking at it as just something that didn't work, Find another pathway.

01:13:30.000 That's a great Thomas Edison impression, by the way.

01:13:32.000 Oh, thank you very much.

01:13:33.000 He's a Southern.

01:13:35.000 When did he become from Alabama?

01:13:37.000 Where was he from?

01:13:38.000 Well, sunny?

01:13:38.000 Ohio?

01:13:39.000 Well, not only that, he ripped off Tesla.

01:13:41.000 I mean, that was really how he got ahead.

01:13:43.000 That guy was just ripping off Tesla. 1.00

01:13:44.000 He hated alternate current. 1.00

01:13:46.000 Yeah, electrocuting fucking elephants and shit. 1.00

01:13:48.000 DC. Remember that? 1.00

01:13:49.000 He electrocuted that elephant?

01:13:50.000 Yeah, it's all about direct current. 1.00

01:13:52.000 Yeah, he fucked up. 1.00

01:13:53.000 That guy's a dumbass. 1.00

01:13:54.000 He was just lucky there was a super genius around that he could steal from. 1.00

01:13:59.000 Well, I'm sure he was smart.

01:14:01.000 Don't get me wrong, but it kind of helped being around Tesla.

01:14:05.000 I mean, that's that Michael Jordan commercial, you know, about how many times he failed.

01:14:09.000 He failed over and over and over again, and that's why he succeeded.

01:14:11.000 Yeah, like you said, man, that spurs growth.

01:14:14.000 You know, you have to be able to fail.

01:14:16.000 I look at it as data, you know what I mean?

01:14:18.000 That gives me readings about where I was and how I need to self-correct the course I'm at.

01:14:23.000 Without it, you can't get a good true measurement.

01:14:25.000 And that feeling that you get from failure is awesome.

01:14:28.000 It sucks at the time, but it's like we were talking about things that are fun while you're doing them, and then things that are great years later. 0.96

01:14:37.000 When you fail at something, that feeling that you have afterwards is fucking horrible. 0.93

01:14:43.000 But that feeling will fuel you.

01:14:46.000 That feeling will get you to avoid that.

01:14:49.000 That's what it's there for.

01:14:50.000 But you have to rearrange the way you look at it.

01:14:53.000 People look at it like, oh, I'm a failure.

01:14:55.000 You can't define yourself by mistakes.

01:14:57.000 Who you are, you are the thinking thing.

01:15:01.000 You are the thing that can figure out what the problem is, how to form a solution.

01:15:06.000 You're not the results.

01:15:08.000 Like, you're not the failures.

01:15:10.000 And that's what a lot of people run into.

01:15:12.000 They define themselves by failures.

01:15:14.000 And people try to define you by failures.

01:15:16.000 Sure.

01:15:17.000 Like, how many times you run into someone from high...

01:15:19.000 Remember that time when you were in high school, you did this and that? 0.97

01:15:21.000 Like, hey, dickhead, that was 20 years ago. 0.96

01:15:23.000 You're still living there. 0.98

01:15:24.000 You know, I learned from that, and I moved past it.

01:15:26.000 That happens with a lot of people, right?

01:15:28.000 That people will try to drag you into.

01:15:30.000 Like, I had a friend of mine who...

01:15:32.000 He had to get a...

01:15:33.000 He had a breakup with this girl, because he was dating her, and they would talk about things, they would have a disagreement about something that she did, and she would bring up something that happened, like, fucking two years ago, that had nothing to do with it. 0.81

01:15:44.000 Like, you did that, you did that, and then you said that, he's like, that was two fucking years ago, what are you talking about? 0.59

01:15:51.000 That has no bearing on who we are right now. 0.79

01:15:53.000 None.

01:15:54.000 Zero.

01:15:54.000 She's not being rational.

01:15:55.000 No.

01:15:55.000 She was trying to define him by an argument that they had, you know, two years ago.

01:16:01.000 I can't comment.

01:16:02.000 But you know what I mean?

01:16:03.000 I know what you mean.

01:16:04.000 I can't comment.

01:16:04.000 But when people are doing that, they're trying to define someone based on a failure.

01:16:09.000 As a team guy, man, anybody, the guy I want on my team is a guy who's failed and failed and failed. 0.99

01:16:15.000 And every time he got back up and he said, I don't give a shit. 0.98

01:16:18.000 I'm going to keep going. 0.96

01:16:19.000 Because I know when both start flying and the day gets tough, We're gonna keep moving.

01:16:24.000 Show me somebody who's never failed or has won every time, and as soon as they have a perceived adversity or difficult situation, they don't know how to act.

01:16:33.000 I don't want that guy on my team, especially when it's life and death.

01:16:36.000 You know what I mean?

01:16:36.000 That's a big issue with fighters.

01:16:38.000 Yeah.

01:16:38.000 With fighters, it's a giant issue.

01:16:40.000 It's called being a frontrunner.

01:16:41.000 And there's some guys that just, they don't do well when they're the nail.

01:16:46.000 They're great when they're the hammer. 0.99

01:16:47.000 But when all of a sudden they're the nail, they don't know what the fuck to do and they fall apart. 0.57

01:16:51.000 There's certain guys that, if they're dominating a fight, they're the most terrifying fighter in the world.

01:16:54.000 But the moment things start going their way, you start seeing cracks in their armor, you start seeing mental weaknesses, and they fold.

01:17:00.000 And they perform at a drastically reduced level.

01:17:04.000 With no reason.

01:17:05.000 Well, the reason is psychological.

01:17:06.000 All of a sudden they're confronting adversity.

01:17:09.000 They don't know what to do.

01:17:10.000 When you see a fighter that's capable of being hurt and on the brink of failure and then coming back and winning a fight, then you see a person with character. 0.98

01:17:21.000 And then there's other people that they're great when everything's going their way, but the moment things aren't going their way, they just fucking pack up their bag and go home.

01:17:30.000 That's what I love to watch is the guy that those fights where the guy was down and he didn't stop. 0.92

01:17:36.000 You know what I mean?

01:17:37.000 You learn a lot about guys.

01:17:38.000 You learn about their character.

01:17:41.000 That's where you learn about somebody's character.

01:17:42.000 There's this kid that fights in the UFC right now.

01:17:44.000 His name is Thomas Almeida.

01:17:45.000 He's a very, very, very highly hyped up fighter and he had a real tough fight recently with this guy named Brad Pickett.

01:17:51.000 Brad Pickett's a tough veteran.

01:17:53.000 He's been around for a long time.

01:17:54.000 This kid, Almeida, has been beating everybody up.

01:17:56.000 And then all of a sudden he gets in this fight with his veteran and he gets cracked.

01:17:59.000 His nose gets broken.

01:18:01.000 He gets rocked really hard.

01:18:02.000 Came back the next round and knocked Pickett out.

01:18:05.000 Hit him with a flying knee and knocked him out.

01:18:07.000 But the point being that this kid got pushed to the brink.

01:18:11.000 Never lost composure.

01:18:12.000 And then you go, okay, the hype's real.

01:18:15.000 This kid's the real deal.

01:18:16.000 Mm-hmm.

01:18:16.000 And you gotta see that.

01:18:18.000 You gotta see that to know.

01:18:19.000 Because otherwise you don't know what happens when they get in trouble.

01:18:21.000 Absolutely.

01:18:22.000 You know, getting in trouble, like being able to operate while under that kind of intense pressure of being in trouble is what makes champions.

01:18:29.000 Hey, how do you replicate that in the fight world and training for a guy to be able to be in that situation where, hey, this is what it's going to feel like and this is how you need to respond?

01:18:39.000 Or can you replicate that?

01:18:40.000 You almost can't.

01:18:41.000 I mean, I think that kind of mental training, it's so difficult to try to replicate that.

01:18:46.000 There's certain drills you can do, like you do a drill where you take five fresh guys and you go in and you spar one guy for one round and then that guy goes out and you bring in a new fresh guy.

01:18:57.000 And you're tired, and that guy's friend, and they try to break you.

01:19:00.000 But there's also people that don't agree with that, because they think that that kind of, like, experiencing failure like that in the gym is actually a bad thing, because then you become comfortable with failure, and you understand it.

01:19:12.000 And some people think that it's just an attribute, that's a psychological attribute, either you're in shape, and you're prepared, and you're ready, and when adversity comes, you're going to be able to handle it, or you're not.

01:19:23.000 You know, it's really tough to put an answer to that.

01:19:26.000 It's really tough like think about like buds training I think about like how many people go through that that kind of training and just get to the point where Everybody's uncomfortable.

01:19:39.000 Everybody's miserable, but they get up and they quit And who doesn't quit the people that don't quit the people that you're gonna count on right like what why why this is their first time doing this Because they made the decision beforehand.

01:19:50.000 I can tell you.

01:19:51.000 They made the decision beforehand. 0.88

01:19:52.000 Like, I don't care what happens and how much it's going to suck.

01:19:55.000 In my mind, I've now embraced it.

01:19:58.000 And I've told myself that I'm going to enjoy it.

01:20:00.000 And no matter what, I'm not quitting.

01:20:02.000 I'll lose a leg before I quit.

01:20:04.000 But if you have even the slightest inkling of, this sucks, I can't believe I have to do another 20 miles and hump 100 pounds, then you're thinking, hmm, it's easy to step off to the side over there and be done. 0.99

01:20:16.000 But if you have a mental mind frame, and you can train it, if you have that mental mind frame of, I will not, they might not take me, but it won't be because I didn't finish this damn thing. 0.53

01:20:27.000 It won't be because I'm not physically and mentally here doing everything that's asked of me.

01:20:32.000 Well, when you say you can train it, they don't try to train it in you, though, before they prepare you for that.

01:20:36.000 No, absolutely not.

01:20:37.000 They want the person who does it on their own, innate.

01:20:39.000 I think it's the same with fighters.

01:20:41.000 I really do.

01:20:42.000 Either you have it or you don't.

01:20:43.000 Yeah, and that's why, similarly, there's just a small percentage of people that ever get through that kind of training, right?

01:20:50.000 There's similarly a small percentage of people that ever get to the elite level of competition, and I think in any form, in any sport, in anything where you're trying to push yourself, anything that's difficult, Any really difficult endeavor reveals character.

01:21:04.000 Yeah, it's beautiful.

01:21:05.000 It's a beautiful process.

01:21:06.000 It is.

01:21:07.000 It's amazing.

01:21:08.000 And it's amazing to see in yourself.

01:21:10.000 And even, you know, the people that experience or that quit, even that can be a lesson.

01:21:15.000 You know, you can learn from that lesson and rebuild and never, never experience that again.

01:21:20.000 Out of curiosity, in your training, what percentage of people actually complete the training?

01:21:27.000 So, through our initial Special Forces assessment and selection, only about 33% get through that.

01:21:32.000 Then you go through the training pipeline, which is anywhere for about a year and a half to two, two and a half years, and that's about 50% of the people, I think, you know, actually get through that.

01:21:39.000 So you get 16% who get through.

01:21:41.000 Yeah, it's a very small percentage.

01:21:43.000 And that's people that have the courage to join.

01:21:46.000 Right.

01:21:46.000 So, you know, you think about how many people are willing to sign up.

01:21:49.000 I mean, that's a small percentage, too.

01:21:51.000 So a small percentage of a small percentage of a small percentage.

01:21:54.000 Everybody wants to be a cool guy until things go wrong.

01:21:58.000 Oh, yeah, man.

01:21:59.000 Nobody wants to be a cool guy anymore.

01:22:00.000 Do you know what it is with the SEALs in San Diego?

01:22:02.000 It's very similar.

01:22:04.000 Similar to it.

01:22:04.000 Yeah.

01:22:05.000 It's got to be.

01:22:06.000 It's all very, very small percentage.

01:22:08.000 So the question is, if it's 16% in that arena, What is it in boxing or in MMA or in fighting?

01:22:17.000 Well, in MMA, there's also a lot of physical gifts that come into play.

01:22:21.000 Like, we were talking about guys that quit.

01:22:23.000 There's guys that quit that are at the elite level.

01:22:26.000 They just don't run into anybody as good as them.

01:22:28.000 And as long as they keep training and they keep pushing ahead, they'll bulldoze and bum-rush all these guys that are in there with them.

01:22:36.000 But there's guys, you know, I don't want to mention names.

01:22:39.000 I don't want to hurt anybody's feelings.

01:22:40.000 These guys have won world titles that are quitters.

01:22:42.000 Yeah.

01:22:42.000 It's a fact.

01:22:43.000 Really?

01:22:43.000 They're just really good.

01:22:44.000 Or they've been cheating.

01:22:46.000 It's been a lot of steroid use, EPO, a lot of different things.

01:22:49.000 But even then, they have to fine-tune those skills.

01:22:51.000 I mean, anybody can do those drugs, and they can't hit a home run, or they can't put somebody in a rear-neck of jokes.

01:22:56.000 They're not entirely weak.

01:22:59.000 Right.

01:22:59.000 See, you know, they might, like, some people can run a marathon.

01:23:04.000 Can they run an ultramarathon?

01:23:06.000 Can they do 100 miles in 24 hours?

01:23:08.000 A lot of people can't, but some people can. 0.99

01:23:11.000 So the people that run that ultramarathon, they'll look at other people that can't run a marathon, or the people that run a regular marathon, will look at people that can't run a marathon that'll quit at mile 16 or whatever, and they'll go, well, you just fucking don't have the mental toughness. 0.96

01:23:24.000 Maybe they don't have the mental toughness to go 100 miles.

01:23:27.000 You know, there's levels to everything in this life.

01:23:29.000 Sure.

01:23:30.000 And there's people that are at the elite level of MMA that I know, I know that if they get in a bad spot, they're going to quit.

01:23:37.000 They're going to fold up shop.

01:23:38.000 Everybody has a breaking point.

01:23:39.000 I can tell you that for a fact.

01:23:40.000 Every human has a breaking point.

01:23:43.000 So there's no unbreakable dude walking around today.

01:23:46.000 No.

01:23:46.000 Even though he might think so.

01:23:48.000 Yeah, a lot of people think so.

01:23:49.000 And a lot of people think so without ever being tested.

01:23:51.000 And I don't even think they think it.

01:23:53.000 I think they're just saying it so that they think that they can convince you and maybe somehow or another it'll convince themselves if you believe it.

01:24:01.000 You know, is it nurture or is it nature?

01:24:03.000 Is it just what they want to do?

01:24:06.000 Is it a psychological decision to do it or is it their matrix of how they're It's a very good question.

01:24:13.000 This is the limit of their capacity.

01:24:15.000 I had this puppy.

01:24:16.000 And this is obviously a dog and not a person.

01:24:18.000 But I had this dog.

01:24:19.000 His name was Frank Sinatra. 1.00

01:24:20.000 It's the craziest fucking dog I've ever had. 1.00

01:24:22.000 It was nuts. 1.00

01:24:23.000 His mother was a wild boar hunting dog from Hawaii. 1.00

01:24:26.000 His dog was fucking crazy. 1.00

01:24:28.000 He was crazy. 1.00

01:24:29.000 But when he was a puppy, one of the reasons I realized he was crazy was he would always like to play bite and stuff. 0.54

01:24:35.000 He was really little.

01:24:35.000 He was only two months old.

01:24:37.000 I, you know, he would come up to me and bite my hands and I'd push him away.

01:24:40.000 And he'd run up and bite my hand again and I'd push him away. 0.89

01:24:43.000 And I'm like, how many fucking times can I do this? 0.94

01:24:45.000 I pushed him away 80 times before I got tired of doing it. 0.98

01:24:48.000 I go, one, I push him. 0.99

01:24:55.000 I'm a fucking human, okay? 0.99

01:24:57.000 I'm a grown man, and he's a baby dog, and I'm pushing him away from me. 0.99

01:25:01.000 And he never got discouraged.

01:25:03.000 Not once.

01:25:04.000 At number 80, I'm like, all right, buddy, bite my hand.

01:25:07.000 Let's just call this a loss.

01:25:09.000 But that was 100% nature.

01:25:11.000 This is not nurture.

01:25:12.000 I haven't taught this dog that.

01:25:14.000 All I've taught him to do is, you know, get pet and give him dog food, give him kisses, but in his makeup, and there's that question of epigenetics, like, how much of your character do you get from your parents, like, just in your DNA? How much can you mold on your own?

01:25:32.000 I mean, I think there's an untold number of variables, and nature and nurture, it's neither or, it's all the above, it's environment, there's so many different things that are So, you know, you can't really, you know, put these people down for not being able to succeed at the level that you've,

01:25:49.000 like the analogy you did with the super marathon and the marathon person who does, like I do, a 5k and I'm wasted.

01:25:54.000 Right.

01:25:55.000 I'm not a runner.

01:25:56.000 I'm a swimmer.

01:25:56.000 But if you decided you were a runner and then put in the work, you would be a runner.

01:26:01.000 Given any, you know, I mean, whether your knees hold up or ankle problems or all that jazz, if you decided to, you can do it.

01:26:09.000 It's not outside the realm of possibility.

01:26:10.000 It's not like you can't fly.

01:26:12.000 Well, I can't fly either.

01:26:13.000 You know, I don't have wings.

01:26:14.000 You know what I mean?

01:26:15.000 Like, we're talking about non-physical limitations.

01:26:17.000 It's a simple thing like running.

01:26:19.000 Not saying, will you beat Usain Bolt in a 100-yard dash?

01:26:22.000 No, you won't.

01:26:22.000 You know, but we're talking about some simple stuff.

01:26:25.000 Right.

01:26:25.000 Making the commitment to do it and keeping it.

01:26:27.000 It's a commitment, and you have the physical and mental capacity, and then it's just whether you're going to be committed or not. 0.98

01:26:32.000 And whether or not you're going to embrace the suck. 0.92

01:26:33.000 I've been committed before. 0.99

01:26:35.000 That's the difference, Joe.

01:26:37.000 Instead of turning from whatever you're doing, embrace it, man.

01:26:39.000 You have to truly embrace it. 0.99

01:26:41.000 You've got to embrace the suck. 0.85

01:26:42.000 Then it's not something that you're trying to get out of. 0.92

01:26:44.000 You're trying to live in that moment and truly thrive in it.

01:26:47.000 And that's the difference between the elite performer and the non-elite.

01:26:51.000 Yeah, I mean, even, like, simple things.

01:26:53.000 Like, tell yourself you're gonna do an hour and a half on an elliptical machine. 0.99

01:26:58.000 Well, it seems real easy for five minutes, and then ten minutes in, you're like, fuck, I got an hour and twenty more minutes of this bullshit? 0.99

01:27:05.000 And then, you know, as you're going, You know and not reduce the level keep the level at the same and just force yourself to do it That's not easy to do but that ain't shit compared to an ultra marathon So there's levels to everything and then how about these crazy fucks that do like there's there's people that do two ultra marathons in a row like they'll do an ultra marathon and they'll do an ultra marathon back Because a regular ultramarathon is not fucking crazy enough for these people. 0.99

01:27:32.000 Because they want to find the edge. 0.97

01:27:35.000 When's the edge?

01:27:36.000 I hit it?

01:27:37.000 Nope.

01:27:38.000 I think I can go further.

01:27:39.000 I think I'm building up more endurance.

01:27:41.000 I think I'm building up more mental toughness.

01:27:43.000 I can go further.

01:27:44.000 Have you ever heard of Wim Hof?

01:27:46.000 I've heard that.

01:27:47.000 What is that?

01:27:48.000 The Iceman. 1.00

01:27:48.000 Yes, that crazy fucking guy. 1.00

01:27:50.000 That dude ran a marathon in the desert without drinking water. 1.00

01:27:54.000 Yeah.

01:27:55.000 He goes and does these crazy submersions and freezing temperatures, and he can keep his core temperature without changing.

01:28:02.000 He holds a world record like two hours.

01:28:04.000 Yeah.

01:28:04.000 So he's saying that he's come up with a method that he can teach you how to change your physiology to be able to adapt to these things, and it's with breathing techniques, commitment, And cold water immersion.

01:28:16.000 He's a fucking alien, that guy. 0.88

01:28:18.000 I bought his thing the other day, and me and Becky did the breathing thing, my wife, and the first day I did it, I held my breath for 2 minutes and 41 seconds. 1.00

01:28:27.000 My wife held it for 2 minutes and 30 seconds. 0.99

01:28:29.000 After 15 minutes doing his breathing stuff.

01:28:32.000 And you held it for 5 minutes before reading his...

01:28:34.000 Well...

01:28:34.000 No.

01:28:36.000 Well, that guy summited Everest.

01:28:37.000 2 minutes and 41 seconds?

01:28:38.000 Yeah, in shorts.

01:28:39.000 In shorts.

01:28:39.000 In shorts and no shirt.

01:28:40.000 Yeah.

01:28:41.000 Summited Everest.

01:28:42.000 In shorts.

01:28:43.000 He took 26 people up to Kilimanjaro.

01:28:46.000 They summited it.

01:28:47.000 And they all had cancers or ailments or whatever.

01:28:50.000 Trained them for three months.

01:28:51.000 16 of them summited it.

01:28:53.000 They did it in 20, 36 hours.

01:28:55.000 And they did it in shorts.

01:28:57.000 You know what I mean?

01:28:57.000 His whole thing is, I can train you to take over your physiology and your autotomic nervous system.

01:29:03.000 Well, a guy like that, see, you know, people talk about mental training.

01:29:06.000 I had Cowboy Cerrone on the other day, and I asked him if he's involved in it. 0.86

01:29:11.000 You know, he's talking about, like, mind fucks and things that go wrong in fights.

01:29:14.000 I'm like, have you ever done any mental training at all? 0.99

01:29:16.000 And he's like, never fucked with any of that stuff. 0.99

01:29:18.000 But I think you get a guy who's as tough as, like, a Cowboy Cerrone, and you teach him some shit like this? 0.99

01:29:24.000 Absolutely. 0.99

01:29:25.000 It's all next level.

01:29:26.000 This is the elite of the elite.

01:29:28.000 You know what I mean?

01:29:29.000 So if you can get your physical performance up to the top level, then you're selling yourself short if you're not also having a mental aspect to your game.

01:29:38.000 You have to have a mental aspect to your game.

01:29:40.000 You have to be mentally draining. 1.00

01:29:41.000 I think also people get used to shit. 0.99

01:29:44.000 You get used to stuff. 0.99

01:29:46.000 And you get used to stuff where it's not that bad anymore.

01:29:49.000 Have you done the cryotherapy yet?

01:29:51.000 Have you done any of that?

01:29:52.000 No.

01:29:52.000 What are you doing after this?

01:29:53.000 You want to go do it?

01:29:55.000 270 degrees, blow zero for three minutes. 0.99

01:29:57.000 It's fucking awesome. 0.99

01:29:58.000 My mom did it. 0.98

01:29:59.000 She said it was amazing.

01:30:00.000 Amazing. 0.99

01:30:00.000 You get out of there, you feel like a fucking werewolf, like you're gonna run through buildings. 0.99

01:30:03.000 Oh, sign this up. 0.99

01:30:05.000 The point is, though, like, I do it so often, it's nothing. 0.99

01:30:09.000 But the first time I did it, I was like, holy shit. 0.98

01:30:12.000 Now I do it, I just stand there. 0.95

01:30:14.000 Like, I literally, like, the timer goes off at three minutes, and I'm like, I can't.

01:30:18.000 I can keep going.

01:30:19.000 I can just keep going.

01:30:20.000 My body, it's so normal to me, I get used to it.

01:30:23.000 I wonder if that's what's going on with this Wim Hof guy, too.

01:30:26.000 It's like his mind has a category for these states, and he puts himself in these states, and he can slowly but surely increase the duration of these states, and the suffering, and his body understands how to mitigate whatever issues might come up from He's got a documentary on Vice,

01:30:42.000 Joe.

01:30:42.000 Check it out.

01:30:43.000 It's about 39, 40 minutes long.

01:30:44.000 Yeah, I keep hearing about it, and I haven't looked into it enough.

01:30:47.000 I've watched it so much, I bought the program.

01:30:49.000 It's like a 10-week program for $200.

01:30:52.000 I was like, I'm getting it.

01:30:52.000 That's awesome.

01:30:53.000 I want to do that.

01:30:53.000 Yeah, I need to get that guy in here.

01:30:55.000 Those people that are like that, those outliers, those real outliers, those people that, like I said, when you talk about doing an ultramarathon or something along those lines, for most people, the amount of mental toughness is involved in that is insane. 1.00

01:31:10.000 And then you hear about this guy, and you're like, well, fuck. 0.98

01:31:12.000 Well, there's always going to be someone who's taking it to the next place. 1.00

01:31:15.000 The next guy's going to do it fucking barefoot, you know? 0.72

01:31:18.000 He's cool because he hooks up with scientists and they regulate everything. 0.98

01:31:22.000 They take the blood before, during, after.

01:31:24.000 He's hooked up to the machine.

01:31:25.000 So he's like, he can prove.

01:31:28.000 Now it's proven, evidence proven what he's doing.

01:31:31.000 That's what's really cool about it.

01:31:33.000 That's from being different from some religious kook or whatever.

01:31:36.000 Hey, this is how I'm doing it.

01:31:38.000 This is why.

01:31:39.000 This is how I'm affecting my autotomic nervous system.

01:31:41.000 And now I've got the science to back it up. 0.83

01:31:43.000 Right, so a lot of people, they look at that and they think of it as like walking on coals, which is really just kind of a horseshit trick. 0.98

01:31:49.000 You just walk fast and your foot gets fucked up, but you're fine. 0.98

01:31:53.000 Whereas this guy, I love that too, that he has brought in scientists to make sure there's zero fuckery involved here. 0.98

01:31:59.000 This is a guy that really understands how to regulate his body temperature and his breathing.

01:32:05.000 It's pretty amazing.

01:32:06.000 No false hope.

01:32:07.000 But that's exactly what we're doing with Dr. Gordon and the foundation.

01:32:09.000 Hey, there's no false hope here.

01:32:11.000 You know what I mean?

01:32:11.000 So what he's doing, what I love about him, he's like, hey, no false hope.

01:32:14.000 What we're putting out to the guys out here, if you're listening, there's no false hope in Dr. Gordon's program and through the Warrior Angels Foundation.

01:32:21.000 It's all science-evidence-based, and we've set up a system that's so advanced that you don't even have to go to a doctor's office to be able to see Dr. Gordon.

01:32:31.000 Everything is paperless, done through Skype, so we've got personalized, individualized methods for medicine to see one of the world's most renowned people to treat traumatic brain injuries.

01:32:42.000 We're now bringing that to every veteran that signs up through our program.

01:32:45.000 Dude, you brought the whole thing full circle.

01:32:47.000 I like how you did that.

01:32:47.000 You've been doing media.

01:32:50.000 You know what you're doing.

01:32:51.000 You know how to bring it back.

01:32:53.000 Now, the Warrior Angels Foundation, what does anybody have to do if they want to get involved in this?

01:32:57.000 Say someone's listening to this and they're thinking to themselves, this applies to me.

01:33:03.000 I know this could help me.

01:33:05.000 I know I have this issue.

01:33:06.000 All you have to do is go to our website, go to our treatment page, and start filling in your information.

01:33:10.000 And the website is Warrior Angel Foundation.

01:33:12.000 Warrior Angels with the S. WarriorAngelsFoundation.org So you go through, you fill out your initial information, then you get started in our automated process.

01:33:23.000 You'll get Dr. Gordon's...

01:33:27.000 Patient intake form, you know, the long one.

01:33:30.000 And you'll fill that out.

01:33:32.000 Get it back to us through email.

01:33:33.000 Never have to print out anything.

01:33:35.000 No printing, no nothing, man.

01:33:36.000 It's all digitalized.

01:33:38.000 All done through the cloud.

01:33:39.000 So we get all that information.

01:33:40.000 Once we get all your information in, Dr. Gordon and his office check it.

01:33:44.000 They make sure you're a good candidate.

01:33:45.000 Once that's been decided, we'll go ahead and we'll start funding you.

01:33:49.000 And when we make the funds go through, you'll get your blood test.

01:33:52.000 We'll send, we have Access Labs in Florida.

01:33:55.000 All right, so they'll do your labs.

01:33:56.000 So they send the labs to you, to wherever you're at, and they will make plans for you to go to a lab that's the closest to your geographical location.

01:34:03.000 So that's the only time you're going to have to leave your house to do this thing.

01:34:05.000 So you'll go, you'll go to leave your house, go get your lab drawn.

01:34:08.000 They'll take it.

01:34:09.000 They'll take the labs.

01:34:11.000 They'll send that back to Florida.

01:34:12.000 Florida will get it.

01:34:13.000 They'll analyze the results.

01:34:14.000 They'll send the results to Dr. Gordon.

01:34:15.000 Dr. Gordon gets it.

01:34:16.000 He gets the results.

01:34:19.000 They schedule an appointment with you to do a one-on-one consultation, and he'll go over everything in complete detail and answer all your questions there, and then go over What your protocols, what he thinks your protocols should be.

01:34:32.000 Yeah, before we actually do a Skype, I write a four-page report which gets sent by email to the patient, and it has English in it, not just medicalese, and it explains some of the results, and it gives them a chart of what the suggested first group of Products or the first approach will be and then through FedEx we send a very comprehensive patient handbook that's put together specifically based upon their lab results.

01:35:00.000 It's about 80 pages in total and explains why we did every single one of the tests and how they interpret out and then supportive documentation from the general medical literature that's out there.

01:35:13.000 And then through the Skype, which is 45 minutes to an hour, we go through every single one of the lab tests and how it pertains to them after we, you know, discuss their traumas or whatever, their accidents that they had, or if they're a civilian, the lack of any accident, but here's what your results are.

01:35:29.000 And then we make arrangements for either their doctor to participate with us or one of our doctors, you know, since November 12th when I saw you last year, my new book on traumatic brain injury came out and a new lecture series came out and we did that in San Diego.

01:35:48.000 And part of the reason why there are now more doctors aware of what we do is because we train 45 docs from 5 different countries in the protocols that we've developed over the past 10 years and the results.

01:36:01.000 Andrew was there and spoke to them.

01:36:03.000 We had a night, a Friday night, which was a military night since we were so close to Coronado Island.

01:36:12.000 Yeah.

01:36:26.000 Impacting on both the psychological and emotional level is listening to someone as you did to Matthew Gosney when he was on the show and Andrew telling his story of how he transitioned from this phenomenal life to this great military life that then the injuries and then what happened after it and then having all these standardized medical procedures done which really didn't help to bring him to the level that he's at right now which is according to his mother,

01:36:52.000 father, sister, brother Your dog also said that you were acting much better than you were in the past, ever.

01:36:58.000 Yeah.

01:36:58.000 Right?

01:36:58.000 And his life has transitioned.

01:37:00.000 The emails he sends you about, you know, the quality that he's experiencing, that's what it's about.

01:37:06.000 Regardless of what we do, it's always about, unfortunately, the end point of the journey that we're taking right now.

01:37:12.000 Is that bringing you back to a functionality where you're enjoying life?

01:37:16.000 How's your life?

01:37:16.000 Yeah, couldn't be any better.

01:37:18.000 Couldn't be any better.

01:37:18.000 And that's what we're saying.

01:37:20.000 Hey, we want to bring this to everybody out there who's been told, like I was told, this is the new you.

01:37:25.000 Take a notebook around with you because you're going to have to write stuff down because you're not going to be able to remember it.

01:37:29.000 And here's an important thing.

01:37:30.000 There's a donate link, and the donate link at warriorangelsfoundation.org.

01:37:37.000 The donate link is really important because there's a lot of guys that just don't have the funds.

01:37:41.000 They don't have funds for this kind of treatment, and it's not covered by insurance companies.

01:37:45.000 Correct.

01:37:46.000 I mean, is any insurance covering this at all?

01:37:48.000 No.

01:37:48.000 What happened, let's see, how Matthew Gosney got in is I take a percentage of my practice and put it into a separate fund.

01:37:58.000 And that's how I think I started funding the military is through our practice.

01:38:04.000 Because it's, you know, for a year, the first year, it's $5,000.

01:38:09.000 All inclusive.

01:38:10.000 Everything.

01:38:11.000 Because we've gotten donations from our laboratory.

01:38:15.000 The laboratory that we use, Access Medical Lab, has given us a lot of money to help offset the cost for the labs.

01:38:22.000 Our compounding pharmacy, University Compounding Pharmacy, gave us a $100,000 grant so that Testosterone is for free.

01:38:29.000 Any of the compounding products are free.

01:38:32.000 Another pharmacy, Ike's Pharmacy, gives us all our Clomid so that the first three months of product for the less than 40-year-old veterans, they get Clomid, which helps stimulate their own body to make testosterone.

01:38:45.000 We just got a $10,000 grant from Pure Encapsulations for the key antioxidants that we use for brain health.

01:38:55.000 A lot of help streamlining those costs.

01:38:57.000 But get this, Joe, the $5,000 in year one is compared to what the VA spends, which is $15,000 in the Congressional Budget Office report in 2012. For TBI and PTSD, $15,000 to $16,000 to treat that.

01:39:13.000 And all they use is medication and psychotherapy.

01:39:15.000 So it gets more as the years goes on, whereas we're fixing the underlying condition.

01:39:19.000 We're fixing the problem.

01:39:20.000 $5,000 for the first year, about $3,500, $2,500, $3,500 the second year, and then every year thereafter, the cost is about $1,500.

01:39:29.000 The same COB, was it?

01:39:31.000 They had $66 billion is what they're paying for all the medical care in 2012. $66 billion.

01:39:39.000 That's why we're getting listened to, because we're like, look at the difference and variations of these prices of what you guys are spending and the end result.

01:39:49.000 But nobody cared about the end result.

01:39:51.000 They cared about numbers.

01:39:52.000 Isn't that crazy?

01:39:52.000 Yeah.

01:39:53.000 And let me just tell anybody who's listening.

01:39:56.000 My daughter has a jewelry company and she's volunteered to gift to anyone who gives $5,000 a coin which is 1,800 years of age silver coin from Rome.

01:40:13.000 All authentic.

01:40:14.000 They look brand new coins.

01:40:16.000 As a gift to anyone who helps us with $5,000.

01:40:21.000 EraCoins, or Era, if I can say her website?

01:40:25.000 Sure.

01:40:25.000 Okay.

01:40:25.000 It's E-R-A-B-Y-R-G.com, and on there you'll see giving, and it actually shows what she's producing in her jewelry company and donating to Warrior Angel Foundation, so that they can hand it out to people who are donating money.

01:40:45.000 Now, is there any resistance to this, this type of training?

01:40:48.000 Are there any detractors?

01:40:50.000 Training in the sense of...

01:40:51.000 Not training, treatment rather.

01:40:53.000 No.

01:40:54.000 In fact, everything is FDA approved.

01:40:59.000 Everything is being used at physiological levels.

01:41:02.000 I think I shared with you on past show that we use a blended testosterone injectable that we developed about 14 years ago.

01:41:10.000 Which gets into the brain a lot faster than the cipionate and the enanthate that's out there, different types of testosterone.

01:41:18.000 And we use a very low dose, 40 milligrams, which is the amount that a healthy 25 to 35 year old makes in a week's time.

01:41:27.000 So we're using everything physiologic.

01:41:29.000 And it's not just about hormone replenishment.

01:41:31.000 It's about the micronutrients that we are using to help with the hormones so that they work.

01:41:38.000 I mean, you need to have a well-balanced machinery in the brain in order to get all the benefits.

01:41:42.000 And no one is addressing the inflammatory aspect to brain trauma.

01:41:46.000 And without addressing that, you can't get improvement.

01:41:50.000 Sustained improvement.

01:41:52.000 They're developing new testosterone that's animal-based.

01:41:55.000 Instead of using yams, they're using animals somehow or another, and they're avoiding detection with all these drug testing when they're doing these carbon isotope tests.

01:42:08.000 This is like the new...

01:42:10.000 Yeah, this is the new thing that the people on the fringe of the cheating movement.

01:42:16.000 Well, if you can get the testosterone more so into the brain, because where does testosterone really work?

01:42:22.000 Yeah, it does work to help build muscle, but what controls the muscle?

01:42:25.000 The brain.

01:42:26.000 We were just talking about how people succeed in freezing and Iceman and Kilimanjaro.

01:42:32.000 It's all the brain.

01:42:33.000 So if you can increase the brain's ability to be resistant to failure, Meaning that you've got a mindset, you're going to do it.

01:42:41.000 Regardless of hell or high water, you're going to do it.

01:42:43.000 That's really where the benefits are.

01:42:46.000 And testosterone increases those benefits.

01:42:48.000 Correct.

01:42:48.000 And low dose, very well absorbable, like testosterone propionate, gets into the system, into the cells in three to four hours, and it's out of the blood.

01:42:57.000 So you don't detect it.

01:43:01.000 Propionate.

01:43:01.000 What about that?

01:43:03.000 Do you develop drops with liposomal?

01:43:06.000 Nanoliposome.

01:43:07.000 It's a compounded product.

01:43:08.000 We developed the vehicle that the compounding pharmacies can legally put the testosterone into this liquid and the liquids put under the tongue or put into the mouth and washed around and gets absorbed because the particle size is so small it gets absorbed rapidly.

01:43:27.000 But this is a different one.

01:43:27.000 This is something you have to do every day, right?

01:43:29.000 This is one that, yeah, our testing showed that either once a day, ideally once a day is the best, but you get to regulate the responsiveness that you have, the response.

01:43:41.000 So if you want to have a nice, easy day, you take one squirt on the tongue.

01:43:45.000 If you want to have a really energetic day, you take two.

01:43:48.000 If you want to have a fun night for many hours, you take four squirts. 0.99

01:43:51.000 That sounds like you're encouraging people to get fucking crazy. 0.99

01:43:54.000 That's what I'm hearing. 0.99

01:43:55.000 Hey! 0.99

01:43:56.000 I educate everybody.

01:43:57.000 It's prescription only, and with all the great doctors out there, they'll regulate it.

01:44:02.000 And it's not a magic pill, but what it'll do is it'll allow you to live life the way it was intended to be.

01:44:11.000 You know what I mean?

01:44:12.000 So before, if you couldn't react to something, now you'll be able to react to things appropriately.

01:44:16.000 You'll be able to do things appropriately.

01:44:18.000 Whereas if your neurochemistry is not in balance, then you can't.

01:44:23.000 So this will give you the opportunity to do that.

01:44:27.000 So, in closing, is there anything else you guys want to say?

01:44:31.000 WarriorAngelsFoundation.org is where you can go to learn more about this.

01:44:35.000 Yeah, we've got a crowdfunding campaign that you can get to through our website.

01:44:38.000 We've got awesome perks on there, like a range day with me shooting at the range.

01:44:43.000 You've got videos on there for that.

01:44:45.000 Cool mugs or whatever.

01:44:47.000 So, some incentives to give and anything you want to find out about Dr. Gordon or also his daughter will be on our website as well.

01:44:53.000 I will say that Life Extension Magazine that in 2012 did the article on hormones to heal the brain in the military is doing a follow-up article where they've gone to six or eight of our patients,

01:45:09.000 four I think military and two or four non-military, and interviewed them to get their Experience over the past few years that since the 2012 article And I think it'll be important for those people who are thinking about maybe getting involved in what we're doing to read that I think it's coming out The end of the year to read it and listen to the experience or else go back to the Matthew Gosney Jason Hall November 12th of last year and listen to The podcast that was done

01:45:39.000 because I get a lot of calls of how many people exactly what he said was what I'm going through And I think listening to those that are interested and get onto the program is more important than anything I can say.

01:45:52.000 And also, Joe, because we're on here today, lives will be changed, man.

01:45:56.000 It's probably hard to comprehend that, but thank you for this opportunity because it's gonna have a ripple effect that you probably aren't gonna be able to understand.

01:46:04.000 But by being on here, things are things we're gonna affect people's lives in a positive, positive way.

01:46:09.000 Thank you.

01:46:10.000 That's what I hope and thank you.

01:46:11.000 Thank you for starting this foundation.

01:46:13.000 Thank you for being so active with it, Dr. Gordon.

01:46:16.000 I mean, this is all amazing stuff and whenever you hear about people getting help like this, And how effective it is.

01:46:22.000 This is a beautiful thing.

01:46:24.000 This is really awesome.

01:46:25.000 Thank you.

01:46:25.000 Appreciate it.

01:46:26.000 All right, folks.

01:46:26.000 So, warriorangelsfoundation.org.

01:46:30.000 Go there.

01:46:31.000 Check out the crowdfund link.

01:46:34.000 Check out the donate button and become a part of this, folks.

01:46:37.000 You can help.

01:46:38.000 All right.

01:46:39.000 Thank you, everybody.

01:46:39.000 That's it for this week.

01:46:40.000 We'll see you soon.

01:46:41.000 Bye-bye.

01:46:57.000 Thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience - September 25, 2015

Joe Rogan Experience #700 - Dr. Mark Gordon & Andrew Marr

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