The Joe Rogan Experience - December 02, 2015


Joe Rogan Experience #730 - Demetrious Johnson

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In this episode, I sit down with my good friend and long time martial arts training partner, Matt Hume. We talk about how he became one of the best fighters in the world, how he got started in MMA, and what it takes to be the best in the business. He's a great example of how hard work and dedication pays off in the long-term. I hope you enjoy listening to this episode and that it inspires you to keep coming back for more and more! If you like what you hear, please HIT SUBSCRIBE on Apple Podcasts or wherever else you get your podcasts. I'll be picking one person at random who leave a review to win a FREE place on the next Shreddin8 program! Thank you so much for all the support, stay tuned for the reviews and shout outs! I'll see you next week for the next episode! Peace, Blessings, Cheers, EJ and Cheers! -Jon Sorrentino & Rory Mcgregor. Jon & Rory - The MMA Jerks. Jon talks about his journey to becoming the best MMA Fighter in the World. Rory talks about what it's like to train with Matt Hume and Brad Curtin, and how important it is to have a good relationship with a good coach. Matt talks about the importance of being a good teacher and a good mentor. Brad talks about how to get the most out of your training and how to stay humble and humble. John talks about why you should do what you can do the most of your day to do the best you can in life. and how you should be the most important thing you can achieve the most you can be your best possible day to be your dreams and most important day of your life and most importantly, you need to do what matters the most, not what you achieve in your best day So much so that you can have the most that you achieve your dreams, you deserve the most in life, you get the best of your most day, not the most opportunities possible. . Jon gives you the most amazing day, so you can live your best chance to achieve your greatest day possible! Jon does not have to ask for the most beautiful day, you can experience the most awesome day possible, and you are not only what you deserve, you are most important, you do your best, you build the most rewarding life possible, you don t get it.

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00:00:00.000 How are you, sir?
00:00:00.000 I'm good.
00:00:01.000 Thanks for doing this, man.
00:00:02.000 I really appreciate it.
00:00:03.000 No, no.
00:00:03.000 Thank you for having me.
00:00:04.000 Thank you for thinking of me.
00:00:05.000 How about that?
00:00:05.000 Please.
00:00:06.000 You are the guy.
00:00:07.000 Whenever anybody asks me who's the best fighter in the world, you're the guy.
00:00:12.000 I appreciate it, man.
00:00:13.000 I think if young guys are coming up, And they want to learn how to fight where they take as little damage as possible and inflict as much as possible.
00:00:21.000 You're my perfect example.
00:00:23.000 So thank you for being you.
00:00:24.000 You know what?
00:00:25.000 I'm doing my best to pay these bills.
00:00:27.000 I got bills to pay.
00:00:28.000 I understand.
00:00:29.000 But it's more than that, man.
00:00:30.000 You can't just be paying bills because you don't just do enough work.
00:00:35.000 You do more.
00:00:36.000 It's pretty obvious when you fight that you're putting in crazy hours.
00:00:40.000 Because you keep getting better and better and better.
00:00:43.000 It's not as simple as, like, you just paying the bills.
00:00:45.000 You obviously have a pretty deep passion for this.
00:00:48.000 Yeah, absolutely.
00:00:49.000 I mean, I will honestly say it's credited to Matt Hume and Brad Curtin.
00:00:54.000 Ever since I started training mixed martial arts, you know, I didn't jump into mixed martial arts because of the UFC. I mean, I did see the Ultimate Fighter and all that stuff, but I saw the workouts, how in shape they were.
00:01:05.000 And then when I started fighting, Matt was like, okay, you can do a mixed martial arts fight.
00:01:09.000 So I had my first amateur fight.
00:01:11.000 Then next, Matt was like...
00:01:12.000 Good job.
00:01:13.000 Then I'll go back to training and then Matt was like, hey, how do you feel about doing a kickboxing fight?
00:01:18.000 I was like, sure, why not?
00:01:20.000 Did a kickboxing fight.
00:01:22.000 Won that.
00:01:22.000 He goes, good job.
00:01:23.000 Then he's like, hey, there's a jiu-jitsu tournament.
00:01:25.000 You need to go there and beat everybody.
00:01:27.000 I'll go there and take first place.
00:01:28.000 He goes, good job.
00:01:30.000 In the back of his mind, I think he's molding me to be very well-rounded.
00:01:37.000 Then one time he's like, hey, there's a boxing fight.
00:01:39.000 You want to take it?
00:01:39.000 I'm like, Sure, let's take it.
00:01:41.000 Won that.
00:01:42.000 And so forth.
00:01:43.000 Then I did a Muay Thai fight.
00:01:44.000 Then I did another jiu-jitsu tournament.
00:01:45.000 So I never just did pure mixed martial arts throughout my entire upbringing.
00:01:49.000 He would make me do different aspects of martial arts, mixed martial arts, to get me ready.
00:01:54.000 So if I got in a fight and I'm fighting a pure boxer, I can get in there and be like, okay, I'm fighting a boxer.
00:01:58.000 So boxer, I can put my head super low and not have to get worried about it.
00:02:03.000 Knees.
00:02:04.000 Knees and stuff.
00:02:05.000 But, so I've dabbled in every single, I've competed in every single sport in mixed martial arts.
00:02:09.000 You know, I never did taekwondo as a kid and all that stuff.
00:02:11.000 As I got older, I did mixed martial arts.
00:02:13.000 I joined AMC. He made me do those things and I've done like four or five jiu-jitsu tournaments.
00:02:17.000 Not gi, just grappling because basically you're half naked when you're fighting.
00:02:21.000 So that's what we're doing that way.
00:02:22.000 Yeah.
00:02:23.000 How many years were you training before you had your first fight?
00:02:26.000 Amateur fight or professional?
00:02:28.000 Any kind of fight.
00:02:28.000 Oh, man.
00:02:30.000 I trained maybe six months.
00:02:32.000 Six months.
00:02:33.000 Six months.
00:02:33.000 And how old were you at the time?
00:02:36.000 18, 19. So you've been with him for 10 years or so.
00:02:40.000 Yeah, so I was with Manhattan Satellite School, which was south.
00:02:44.000 So here's Tacoma, where I used to live, and here's Puyallup, and then here's Auburn.
00:02:50.000 And that's where his satellite school was.
00:02:51.000 And then here's Renton.
00:02:53.000 Then you got Newcastle.
00:02:55.000 For anybody who's listening to this, he's moving his hands higher and higher and higher.
00:02:59.000 Sorry.
00:03:00.000 Up Washington State.
00:03:01.000 Yes.
00:03:02.000 So way up north.
00:03:03.000 So the AMC Matt's location is 45 to an hour away from me.
00:03:08.000 Where I live now.
00:03:09.000 Prior to that, it was like an hour and thirty minutes away from me.
00:03:11.000 So I found his satellite gym.
00:03:13.000 And even before I went to that gym, I had no idea who Matt Hume was.
00:03:17.000 Even when I fought for Matt Hume, he would sit in a chair like Shao Kahn and just watch us fight.
00:03:22.000 And then...
00:03:23.000 He wouldn't talk to me or anything.
00:03:25.000 Like who?
00:03:25.000 Shao Kahn.
00:03:26.000 Who's that?
00:03:26.000 That's the last guy on Mortal Kombat 2. He sits in a chair and he goes, finish him!
00:03:33.000 But that's how it was.
00:03:34.000 He would just say that like everybody would know what you're talking about.
00:03:36.000 That's hilarious.
00:03:37.000 They didn't get into that video game hype.
00:03:38.000 So he would just sit there and watch.
00:03:41.000 He would just sit there and watch.
00:03:42.000 And he wouldn't even talk.
00:03:43.000 I mean, he would talk to me, but he would not talk to me.
00:03:45.000 It was just different. 0.98
00:03:46.000 And then eventually, once I had the first fight with Ian McCall, he goes, Alright, Demi Joyce, you gotta start taking this shit seriously. 0.98
00:03:55.000 I was like, what do you mean? 0.92
00:03:56.000 We're in the UFC, I just fought for a world title against Dominic Cruz.
00:03:59.000 He goes, dude, you only train with me twice a week.
00:04:02.000 Like, Saturdays and...
00:04:05.000 At that point, it was only Saturdays.
00:04:09.000 Wednesdays and Saturdays.
00:04:10.000 He's like, you only train with me two days a week. 1.00
00:04:11.000 Like, you need to take this shit seriously. 0.99
00:04:13.000 When people are professional athletes, they come, they leave their families and move away and train with the trainer. 0.99
00:04:19.000 And so that's why you saw a huge change in my game from the second Ian McAuliffe because I started training underneath him. 0.99
00:04:26.000 If I went to go take a shit, Matt was like, hey, hey, hey, what color is that poop? 0.99
00:04:30.000 I need to know. 0.99
00:04:31.000 He started overseeing everything I did when I was swimming, conditioning, everything.
00:04:35.000 Beginning of my MMA career, when I was fighting Miguel Torres, Kid Yamamoto, Demacia Page, Nick Pace, I was doing my own thing, like doing my conditioning on my own.
00:04:44.000 Monday, Tuesday, and Thursday, Friday, I was doing my own thing.
00:04:49.000 And then Wednesday, Matt would come down the south, beat me up.
00:04:52.000 And then Saturday, I would drive up to Kirkland.
00:04:55.000 And train with him, and we would spar. 0.99
00:04:57.000 So, after that fight, the first team in the call fight, he was like, you need to take this shit seriously. 0.97
00:05:00.000 And that's when I was like, alright, I'll do 100% with you then. 0.95
00:05:02.000 And then, this is what you have now.
00:05:04.000 What a lucky break for you to find that guy, too.
00:05:07.000 Like, as a trainer.
00:05:09.000 Oh, yeah.
00:05:09.000 I mean, he's...
00:05:10.000 If he's not the best, there's a handful of guys that I consider the best.
00:05:15.000 Like, Ferasa Hobby's in there.
00:05:17.000 Matt's in there.
00:05:17.000 There's a few guys that are just at that...
00:05:21.000 We're good to go.
00:05:24.000 We're good to go.
00:05:50.000 Sometimes we'll come back and we'll spar him.
00:05:52.000 And he was just in China and he was in Singapore.
00:05:56.000 And I'm always like, okay, I'm going to get the best of him this time.
00:05:59.000 I'm going to get the best of him.
00:06:00.000 And so he's like, alright, I think I'm going to spar today.
00:06:02.000 He'll go upstairs, get his gear on.
00:06:04.000 And then my buddy Carol goes, oh, dad, dad's going to spar tonight.
00:06:07.000 And I was like, I'm about to get him.
00:06:08.000 Watch.
00:06:09.000 And we're sparring.
00:06:10.000 And I remember we were sparring.
00:06:11.000 And he was hitting me and I was hitting him.
00:06:12.000 And then I remember I did a Superman punch.
00:06:14.000 And I connected.
00:06:15.000 And I was like, yeah.
00:06:16.000 And as I connected, I was like...
00:06:18.000 Boom! 1.00
00:06:19.000 High kick hit me in the back of the head, and I was like, good fucking for you, Matt. 1.00
00:06:23.000 Good for you. 1.00
00:06:24.000 You still got it, don't you?
00:06:25.000 I mean, he's just an amazing athlete, even though he's 49 years old.
00:06:31.000 He was a great fighter.
00:06:32.000 Oh yeah, he was an amazing fighter. 0.99
00:06:33.000 I remember watching him way back in the day when he fought Pat Miletic, and he broke Pat Miletic's nose, and they stopped the fight, which I was like, I remember even at the time, I was like, what the fuck? 0.98
00:06:44.000 You're going to stop a fight over a broken nose? 0.99
00:06:47.000 That's crazy.
00:06:48.000 It happens all the time in boxing.
00:06:49.000 It happens all the time in every sport.
00:06:50.000 But for whatever reason, they just decided to stop the fight.
00:06:53.000 It didn't make any sense.
00:06:54.000 Yeah, I think it was a good thing they did.
00:06:55.000 I don't think the fight was going way south for Pat Miller.
00:06:59.000 It was definitely going south for Pat.
00:07:00.000 Well, Matt was so well-rounded.
00:07:03.000 He had so many skills in so many different areas.
00:07:06.000 I remember he competed in that all-submission tournament, too.
00:07:10.000 Remember they had that professional all-submission thing that they did on pay-per-view once a long time ago?
00:07:14.000 This is new knowledge to me.
00:07:17.000 Goddammit, I'm trying to remember the name of it. 0.94
00:07:19.000 I remember he tore Kenny Munday's leg.
00:07:22.000 That was it.
00:07:22.000 Okay, yeah, I've seen that before.
00:07:23.000 Yeah, that was it.
00:07:24.000 Kenny Munday, who was an Olympic gold medalist in wrestling.
00:07:26.000 Yeah, Matt is like one of my all-time favorite guys as far as coaches.
00:07:31.000 Those are the two guys that I'll tell people if they go, hey man, I'm thinking about really taking this seriously.
00:07:37.000 Move to Washington State or move to Montreal.
00:07:40.000 There's your two places.
00:07:40.000 Yep, I totally agree with you.
00:07:42.000 Yeah, man.
00:07:43.000 Anytime you're in Seattle and you want to come out and hang out and probably even grapple with Matt, he would love to do it.
00:07:48.000 I mean, he still grapples and he still...
00:07:51.000 That's amazing that he doesn't have any nagging injuries. 0.97
00:07:53.000 He's not all fucked up. 0.98
00:07:55.000 You know what? 0.98
00:07:55.000 One of the things that Matt tries to push onto me is that he's like... 0.98
00:07:59.000 I always ask him, if there was one thing you could have done different...
00:08:02.000 When you're training a professional fighter, what would it be?
00:08:04.000 He said, train smarter.
00:08:06.000 Don't beat my body up so bad.
00:08:08.000 And that's where he tries to implement on me.
00:08:09.000 But no nagging injuries.
00:08:11.000 You know, every once in a while he'll pull something and he will take the time to rest.
00:08:15.000 But when I'm getting ready for a fight, he goes, I'm not going to jump in today.
00:08:18.000 I'm going to get this rested.
00:08:19.000 I'm going to watch, coach you.
00:08:21.000 And then once he's rested, I'm going to jump in.
00:08:23.000 I'm like, okay, sounds good.
00:08:24.000 Just make sure you jump in here because I need you.
00:08:27.000 Yeah, it's so smart to do that, and so few guys do.
00:08:30.000 Everybody wants to be a tough guy.
00:08:31.000 Everybody wants to rough it out and push through it.
00:08:35.000 It's so smart to do.
00:08:36.000 It's so smart to just let the engine heal, let the machine heal. 0.98
00:08:41.000 There's so many guys that think you have to be a hard ass. 0.96
00:08:44.000 You have to wrap up your arm like a mummy and get in there. 0.99
00:08:47.000 I mean, you could always do something.
00:08:48.000 You know, you could always, like, I know a lot of guys who have, they've torn muscles, so they do all the workouts in the pool or something along those lines.
00:08:55.000 Well, Rafael Dos Anjos, before he beat Anthony Pettis for the title, he had an MCL tear.
00:09:00.000 He couldn't do anything.
00:09:01.000 So all he did was sprints on the Aerodyne.
00:09:04.000 I mean, he was just doing hour-long sprints, you know, like just, like, interval sprints on the Aerodyne, and that's all he did for, like, the last couple weeks of his camp.
00:09:12.000 Yeah.
00:09:12.000 Well, it's unfortunate because this is how us fighters make our money.
00:09:16.000 I remember when I was going to fight John Dodson for the second time, I tore something in my calf.
00:09:22.000 And Matt's like, you know, I told him, I was like, dude, my calf hurts.
00:09:26.000 And he's like, all right, lay down.
00:09:27.000 Let me massage you. 0.99
00:09:28.000 Let me see what's going on.
00:09:29.000 And it was a papyrus, I think it was.
00:09:31.000 And he goes, yeah, you...
00:09:32.000 We pretty much tore it, so we need to get that healed. 1.00
00:09:35.000 And I was like, well, Matt, what the fuck? 0.99
00:09:36.000 I was like, what do you want me to do? 0.99
00:09:38.000 We ran 15 miles this week.
00:09:41.000 We also did sparring pads.
00:09:45.000 The workload was very heavy.
00:09:48.000 And you're hanging on my neck, and you're not 125 pounds, you're 175 pounds.
00:09:52.000 So, I mean, I'm doing my job and pushing my body, and I'm sorry that it's broken.
00:09:57.000 He goes, I know, we just need to get it healed before the fight.
00:09:59.000 And so we spent most of our cardio workouts in the pool just doing long sprints.
00:10:03.000 And, you know, unfortunately, injuries are part of the sport, and we never want to pull out from a fight, but it happens to everybody.
00:10:10.000 Yeah, it does happen.
00:10:11.000 It's kind of crazy if you look at the UFC schedule.
00:10:13.000 I think out of, they said out of 40 title fights that they had, 40 main events, 35 of them or 34 of them pulled out.
00:10:23.000 Something crazy like that.
00:10:24.000 Yeah, yeah, you're right.
00:10:25.000 The majority.
00:10:25.000 The majority changed, which is insane.
00:10:28.000 It's not that you want the smaller percentage to be there.
00:10:30.000 Yeah.
00:10:30.000 Well, it's different than any other sport because, like, boxing, it's very rare that a fighter pulls out of a fight.
00:10:36.000 Like, even Manny Pacquiao had a torn shoulder.
00:10:39.000 He tore his labrum and still wound up fighting Floyd Mayweather for the title.
00:10:43.000 You know, also, he's got $100 million on the line or something insane like that.
00:10:48.000 I would.
00:10:49.000 If I had a torn ACL and everything, I'd be like, $100 million.
00:10:52.000 Let's get it.
00:10:52.000 I'm going to get this paper.
00:10:54.000 Yeah, because you never know when those paychecks are coming.
00:10:56.000 That's a crazy paycheck.
00:10:57.000 That's a once-in-a-lifetime.
00:11:00.000 But so many people got mad at him after that fight when they found out that he was injured.
00:11:04.000 True.
00:11:04.000 But at the same time, like you said, once-in-a-lifetime.
00:11:07.000 When's the next time you're going to fight Floyd Mayweather?
00:11:09.000 Yeah, right.
00:11:10.000 If you're so lucky to get in there, I mean, he's the ultimate payday. 0.99
00:11:13.000 Yep, I'll fucking fight him. 0.99
00:11:15.000 I'll fight him in boxing. 0.99
00:11:16.000 I'll be like, dude, I don't care what happens.
00:11:19.000 I'll be taken care of.
00:11:20.000 I'll be like, we're done.
00:11:21.000 I'll be like, baby, break out the red panties, as Conor McGregor would say. 1.00
00:11:27.000 Yeah, Conor McGregor, what a hilarious motherfucker that guy is. 1.00
00:11:30.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00
00:11:31.000 When you see a guy like that that's getting so much attention, talking shit, does it make you want to start talking shit? 1.00
00:11:36.000 No, man. 1.00
00:11:37.000 It's, uh...
00:11:38.000 You know, that's his gig.
00:11:40.000 That's his gig.
00:11:40.000 He's doing a good job at it.
00:11:42.000 He's opening doors.
00:11:43.000 He's the best at it.
00:11:44.000 Yeah, he's the best at it.
00:11:44.000 He's the best at it.
00:11:45.000 I've never seen anybody that talks as much shit as he does, but in his way with his Irish accent, it's all a part of the show, you know? 0.99
00:11:54.000 I agree. 1.00
00:11:54.000 I love it. 1.00
00:11:56.000 I remember the first time seeing him in fighting, and I was watching him, and I was like, Okay, he understands distance.
00:12:01.000 He understands fighting.
00:12:03.000 And then as I saw him fight a little better competition with Diego Brandao, Dustin Poirier, and I saw how he crossed distance and how he could take a shot.
00:12:12.000 And I'm like, okay, alright.
00:12:14.000 Let's see.
00:12:14.000 Now, the huge test.
00:12:16.000 I'm ready to see one of your faces like...
00:12:20.000 Yeah.
00:12:20.000 The Aldo fight.
00:12:21.000 Yeah, that's going to be... 0.97
00:12:22.000 Who knows what the fuck's going to happen in that fight? 0.97
00:12:24.000 That's what I like about it. 0.96
00:12:26.000 What I love about that fight, where people go, who's going to win it?
00:12:28.000 Who's going to win it? 0.97
00:12:29.000 I don't fucking know. 0.99
00:12:30.000 I don't fucking know. 0.99
00:12:31.000 I got no idea. 0.99
00:12:33.000 That's a I-have-no-idea fight.
00:12:34.000 Because anything can happen. 0.98
00:12:36.000 Goddamn, Conor takes a good shot. 0.99
00:12:38.000 Yeah, he can take a shot. 0.99
00:12:39.000 I was impressed, because Mendez can...
00:12:40.000 He can bang and he connected a bunch of times.
00:12:43.000 Connor just didn't seem phased at all.
00:12:46.000 I'm very impressed with that. 0.99
00:12:47.000 He's got a big ass head too. 0.99
00:12:49.000 You know, when him and Aldo... 1.00
00:12:50.000 This is coming from a dude with a big ass head as well. 0.98
00:12:53.000 But when him and Aldo are face to face, and he's looking down on Aldo, I'm like, Jesus Christ, look at the size of... 0.99
00:12:58.000 Plus, the beard makes it look even bigger like yours, right?
00:13:01.000 He doesn't quite have as majestic a beard as yours.
00:13:04.000 Thank you.
00:13:04.000 I appreciate that.
00:13:05.000 Not quite as majestic.
00:13:07.000 But looking at the two of them together, you realize how much bigger Connor is.
00:13:11.000 Yeah, absolutely.
00:13:13.000 Think about the weight cut issue now because of the IV ban.
00:13:16.000 For people listening to this don't know what we're talking about.
00:13:19.000 You used to be able to make weight and then after you made weight you could rehydrate with IVs intravenously.
00:13:25.000 They banned that because fighters apparently people in other sports have used IVs to mask performance enhancing drugs.
00:13:33.000 So they banned IVs.
00:13:34.000 A lot of people think it's dangerous because they think it's the most efficient way to rehydrate.
00:13:38.000 And if you're going to have weight weigh-ins, and especially if you're going to have a big disparity of weight classes, like you're in a weight class like 125 where there's a 10-pound jump between 125 and 135, but a lot of them, like 85 to 205, that's 20 pounds.
00:13:52.000 Yeah.
00:13:53.000 Or 205 to 265 is crazy.
00:13:57.000 Yep.
00:13:57.000 60 pounds, that's a giant difference.
00:14:00.000 You know, I'm not gonna lie, I'm all for it.
00:14:03.000 I've never had to IV, not once in my whole entire career.
00:14:06.000 And there's been times I have to cut eight and a half pounds the day of weigh-ins.
00:14:11.000 I think it's gonna help people fight more at their natural weight classes.
00:14:15.000 You know, I honestly think I'm probably one of the smallest guys in the flyweight division.
00:14:19.000 You know, this morning, I don't know when I woke up, but I know yesterday I woke up at 141.5 and I had beer.
00:14:26.000 Good food the night before.
00:14:28.000 So I'm a small guy.
00:14:29.000 So when I cut to 125, I mean, it's a hard cut.
00:14:32.000 I'm cutting 15 pounds.
00:14:35.000 But I rehydrate very well.
00:14:36.000 I never get tired when I fight because I make sure I do my homework, learn how to diet right, and then make sure I get enough water in me so I can have the water to cut out of my system.
00:14:46.000 But for guys who, you know, I know John Dotson, I've heard he gets like 157, 160. Does he really?
00:14:51.000 That's what I've heard on the street.
00:14:53.000 I know Joseph, he used to get big between his fights, but I heard he's kind of, you know, last time I talked to him, he's kind of stayed a little bit lower.
00:14:58.000 Because in reality, it's like, what's the point of getting big and put muscle on?
00:15:02.000 Eventually, you're going to have to cut it off anyways.
00:15:04.000 I mean, the first thing that goes when you're losing weight is typically muscle, then the fat, and then so forth.
00:15:09.000 So for me, I'm all for it.
00:15:10.000 I think you're going to start seeing a lot of guys like Hanna Burrow.
00:15:12.000 He's going to fight at 145 now.
00:15:14.000 Who knows Conor McGregor?
00:15:16.000 He has a huge cut to 145. He's going to possibly fight at 155. So I think it's good.
00:15:21.000 I mean, obviously, I think I know a lot of guys love the way you can IV. But now they're like, I think the biggest thing is they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, we used to be able to do this for 20 years plus, and now you're just going to come here and say we can't do it?
00:15:33.000 I thought this was America.
00:15:34.000 So I think that's where people are getting their panties in a bunch.
00:15:38.000 Well, the solution to that would be only have IVs that were supervised by doctors.
00:15:45.000 Or, here's a better solution.
00:15:47.000 Give someone a blood test at the weigh-ins.
00:15:51.000 You don't need a lot of blood.
00:15:52.000 You just prick them, get a little bit of blood, then let them IV, and then test the blood, so then you know if they're doing anything.
00:16:01.000 It's real simple.
00:16:02.000 Then test them after the fight, and you're covered.
00:16:03.000 Yeah, and I think they're trying to do, in my personal opinion, I remember when we were doing the USADA meeting, and it cracked me up because he was like, well, that's a totally different story, but he said that one fighter came in,
00:16:21.000 didn't give a name, came in, Did his test before the fight.
00:16:25.000 No, before weigh-ins.
00:16:26.000 Tested.
00:16:28.000 That test came back clean.
00:16:30.000 But then after the fight, they did the post-fight, they're like, okay, there's something.
00:16:35.000 No.
00:16:36.000 So he came and weighed in.
00:16:37.000 They tested him before he weighed in.
00:16:39.000 Then after weigh-ins, they tested him again.
00:16:41.000 Then after the weigh-ins, after the fight, they tested him.
00:16:44.000 And they're like, okay, whoa, something's wrong here.
00:16:46.000 Because he rehydrated, and he was hiding something when he rehydrated.
00:16:50.000 And then the USADA guy, I forget his name, he's like the head guy, bald guy.
00:16:55.000 Nowitzki, Jeff Nowitzki.
00:16:56.000 Jeff Nowitzki.
00:16:57.000 He was saying, this guy was hiding something.
00:16:59.000 We didn't further depth, and he was masking drugs with the IV. And so I think we've already had that happen in our sport, and that guy got caught.
00:17:07.000 Who the fuck is that? 0.99
00:17:08.000 I don't know. 1.00
00:17:08.000 I don't even know who that is. 1.00
00:17:09.000 He didn't even give a name.
00:17:10.000 Really?
00:17:11.000 Yep.
00:17:11.000 Well, how is that possible?
00:17:12.000 I thought all that stuff was public.
00:17:15.000 No, no, no.
00:17:16.000 It didn't go public because the person got caught, but he didn't give the name of the story of who the person was, who they tested.
00:17:24.000 So he wouldn't say who got caught, but he just was saying how someone got caught.
00:17:28.000 And the person who got caught, we know that they got caught.
00:17:31.000 So it was public that they got caught.
00:17:32.000 Yes, but we didn't know the whole logistic about how he got caught.
00:17:36.000 And he was like, this was recent.
00:17:38.000 So it happened just recently.
00:17:41.000 Huh.
00:17:43.000 Who the hell could that have been?
00:17:44.000 Who's been popped recently?
00:17:46.000 Let's speculate.
00:17:47.000 Yeah.
00:17:48.000 The rumor mill.
00:17:50.000 The rumor mill.
00:17:51.000 Well, there's been a few guys.
00:17:52.000 Well, obviously, this is a sport that in the beginning... 0.99
00:17:55.000 You can do whatever the fuck you want. 0.99
00:17:57.000 Yeah, and a lot of people did whatever the fuck they wanted. 0.99
00:17:59.000 Yeah, absolutely. 0.90
00:18:00.000 And I remember, like, I know a lot of people, like, I mean, you're a big fan of, like, dude, hey, Joe, me and you're going to fight.
00:18:05.000 You want to juice?
00:18:06.000 I'll juice too.
00:18:07.000 We're on the same plane.
00:18:10.000 And I think, back in the day, the culture of it was okay with that.
00:18:14.000 Because, don't get me wrong, I'm pretty sure when God made us, He goes, I'm gonna build you to build a fight.
00:18:20.000 Year after year, year after year, take all this damage to the head.
00:18:23.000 And somebody was like, what's the best way to take a shot, a punch?
00:18:26.000 I was like, there isn't, my friend.
00:18:28.000 Your body's not designed to get beat up on.
00:18:30.000 It's not.
00:18:31.000 At all.
00:18:31.000 But with the TRT or testosterone or HGH, all that stuff, it helps the recovery of it so you can have a long career.
00:18:40.000 It doesn't just seem to help.
00:18:42.000 It seems to help your ability to take punishment.
00:18:44.000 Oh, absolutely.
00:18:45.000 That's what's crazy.
00:18:46.000 It's like a lot of these guys that are juiced up, they can take a better shot.
00:18:49.000 I tell you what, when I fought Ali Bogotinov, my follow-on goes, dude, after we got down to the fight, he goes, I came home and he saw my knees.
00:18:57.000 My knees were just blown up. 0.97
00:18:58.000 You beat the fuck out of that dude. 0.98
00:19:01.000 And he hung in there, man. 0.98
00:19:03.000 Yeah, he did.
00:19:03.000 And my follow-on came and he goes...
00:19:07.000 I guarantee you, he's gonna pop for something.
00:19:09.000 No man can take a beating like that and be able to walk away like that.
00:19:13.000 I promise you.
00:19:14.000 Sure enough.
00:19:15.000 After the fight?
00:19:15.000 After the fight, I'm playing video games.
00:19:17.000 Somebody calls me.
00:19:17.000 Do you hear what happened?
00:19:18.000 I was like, no.
00:19:19.000 What's up?
00:19:20.000 He goes, he popped.
00:19:21.000 He popped for...
00:19:23.000 E.P.O. E.P.O. And I was like, ah, shit.
00:19:25.000 Huh, no worries. 1.00
00:19:26.000 And Matt was floored.
00:19:27.000 He goes, no wonder.
00:19:28.000 Because when we studied tape on him, Matt was like, he's going to get tired.
00:19:31.000 And you're going to be able to finish him.
00:19:32.000 He still got tired.
00:19:33.000 He still got tired.
00:19:34.000 Which is incredible.
00:19:35.000 Yeah, and then Matt was like, you're going to be able to finish him.
00:19:37.000 And then when we didn't finish him, Matt was like...
00:19:40.000 That's the reason why, because he never got tired.
00:19:42.000 He never got as tired as he should have.
00:19:44.000 Exactly.
00:19:44.000 Well, he's a guy that, he's got a, there's a style of fighting where it's kind of like you're pushing, you're going all in.
00:19:51.000 Yeah.
00:19:51.000 You know, and that's what he does with all his punches.
00:19:53.000 He's pushing all his chips in.
00:19:54.000 He's throwing 100% effort into all of his punches.
00:19:57.000 He grits down his teeth.
00:19:58.000 He winds up with his punches.
00:20:00.000 And he's got good power.
00:20:01.000 Oh, yeah.
00:20:02.000 But that style, you just can't fight like that for five rounds.
00:20:05.000 You just can't do it.
00:20:06.000 And it's really not a smart style anyway because those punches come slower.
00:20:10.000 And there's a few guys that still fight like that even though that's one of the worst ways to do it.
00:20:16.000 There's a lot of guys that still fight like that.
00:20:18.000 You can get away with it if you blow the guy out in the first round.
00:20:21.000 Exactly.
00:20:21.000 And another side of that, the double-edged sword, is that it's very exciting.
00:20:25.000 People like that.
00:20:25.000 People are like, oh my god.
00:20:27.000 Well, hey, look at Ronda Rousey. 0.99
00:20:29.000 That's a perfect example.
00:20:30.000 Like, Ronda Rousey, after the first round, obviously there were stylistic issues, and there was obviously technical issues, where she wasn't as good as we thought she was standing up. 0.73
00:20:41.000 You know, when you see her hit the pads, and you see You see her fight someone like Betch Cohea, she looked good. 0.57
00:20:45.000 But then you see her fight a skilled striker like Holly and some issues got exposed, some technical issues. 1.00
00:20:50.000 But she fucking sprinted. 1.00
00:20:52.000 She came out the opening round and sprinted. 1.00
00:20:55.000 And by the end of the first round, she hit a bunch and she was exhausted.
00:20:59.000 She was exhausted.
00:21:00.000 And it was because she went all in.
00:21:01.000 She went all in.
00:21:02.000 And you think about it, that's how she's been so successful with her opponents. 0.58
00:21:05.000 I mean, the biggest thing you could do, nobody trained in the gym like, okay, round one, fight.
00:21:10.000 Nobody fights like that.
00:21:11.000 So when you do that to an opponent, that breaks them down.
00:21:15.000 It freaks them out.
00:21:16.000 I would, you know, give praises to Greg Jackson and John Wigglejohn, those guys over there in Albuquerque, for getting Holly Holm ready for that.
00:21:25.000 Because in my mind, going into that fight, I was like, if I was Holly Holm, I would take a second, relax, see what Ronda's bringing, you know, use my jab, use my high kick, use my spinning kicks, just to get Ronda off her game.
00:21:36.000 Because Ronda likes to collapse. 1.00
00:21:37.000 She likes this collision.
00:21:39.000 Like you said, when she fought Bech Cohera, yeah, she won that exchange to Bech Cohera when her wins in Octagon.
00:21:46.000 If you look at the people she's fought, their combined record, I did the...
00:21:50.000 Well, my fans, my Mighty Squad, they did the...
00:21:52.000 The Mighty Squad?
00:21:53.000 The Mighty Squad.
00:21:54.000 My Mighty Squad, they did the...
00:21:55.000 They brought me the numbers and they were like, dude, her combined record of her opponents in UFC was 1-9.
00:22:01.000 Wow.
00:22:01.000 So, you know...
00:22:02.000 Really?
00:22:03.000 Oh, yeah.
00:22:03.000 That's amazing.
00:22:04.000 So when you look at, like, you know, obviously...
00:22:07.000 The promotion has to do their thing to sell the next big fight.
00:22:09.000 But as me, as an athlete, I'm like...
00:22:11.000 So, Betch Carrera vs. 1.00
00:22:13.000 Ronda Rousey.
00:22:14.000 You want to know how this is going to go?
00:22:15.000 Ronda Rousey is going to knock her out. 1.00
00:22:16.000 Because, yes, Betch Carrera is undefeated 9-0, but who the fuck has she fought? 0.99
00:22:20.000 Like, you have to look at, you know, who that person has fought. 0.88
00:22:23.000 So, when I look at a person like Josephine DeVitas, I always give him high praises.
00:22:27.000 Because the man's fought Domina Cruz. 0.94
00:22:28.000 He's only two losses between me and Domina Cruz, John Dotson. 0.96
00:22:31.000 He hasn't lost at 135, and he's only lost to 125. It's to me.
00:22:35.000 So his skill set is high up there, too, where Kat Zagano, I thought she had the best chance to beat Ronda Rousey, but I spent time with her in the back when we were getting ready to fight UFC 178, and she was so emotional.
00:22:51.000 I was sitting in the back there just eating a banana, and she was like, doing her thing. 0.97
00:22:56.000 I'm like, it's just a fucking fight. 0.99
00:22:58.000 Don't worry about it. 1.00
00:22:59.000 It's just a fucking fight. 1.00
00:23:01.000 I was like, it's just going to fight. 1.00
00:23:01.000 She goes... 1.00
00:23:03.000 I don't even hear that right now.
00:23:04.000 And I was like, alright.
00:23:05.000 And she goes out there and she's so emotional.
00:23:07.000 I'm like, that's going to be her downfall.
00:23:10.000 And I told people, I was like, when she fights Ronda, she can't get emotional.
00:23:13.000 And then what she do, she goes out and throws a flying knee, gets caught up. 1.00
00:23:17.000 But if she went out there, like, I'm in a fight.
00:23:19.000 Take my time, work my jab.
00:23:21.000 I got 25 minutes.
00:23:22.000 Why do I need to rush?
00:23:24.000 Why do I need to rush?
00:23:25.000 If there was like, okay, there's a timeline.
00:23:26.000 You have five minutes.
00:23:27.000 Let's see who's going to win. 0.99
00:23:28.000 I'm going to go all fucking in. 1.00
00:23:29.000 I'm going to blow my wad. 0.99
00:23:31.000 But when you have 25 minutes, I'm going to take my time and enjoy it.
00:23:33.000 Well, I think the overwhelming moment of being there, fighting for the title, fighting Ronda at the peak of her popularity or near the...
00:23:41.000 That fight was probably the one that set Ronda over the top. 1.00
00:23:44.000 Yeah.
00:23:44.000 And then Betch Cohea just shot her into the stratosphere because it was in Brazil.
00:23:49.000 I'll tell you, man, that was a surreal moment.
00:23:51.000 It was surreal being there in Brazil because every time I've been to Brazil before, they never cheer for Americans.
00:23:58.000 I mean, they cheer when you're over, you give props to Brazil, but when you're on the weigh-in scale and you're fighting a Brazilian, they're very proud. 0.96
00:24:05.000 And they were fucking cheering Ronda and booing Betch Cohea. 0.98
00:24:11.000 We're disown it, you betcha. 0.99
00:24:12.000 It was crazy.
00:24:13.000 She's out there with the flag.
00:24:14.000 Brazil!
00:24:14.000 Brazil!
00:24:15.000 And they're like, no!
00:24:17.000 No, Ronda!
00:24:19.000 Honda!
00:24:20.000 It was crazy, man.
00:24:22.000 And when she won, it was bizarre.
00:24:25.000 It was a bizarre moment.
00:24:26.000 Watch her strut around the octagon. 1.00
00:24:28.000 She was taking it all in and walking around like some fucking gladiator shit. 1.00
00:24:32.000 It was like some Russell Crowe shit. 1.00
00:24:34.000 I was like, wow, this is crazy. 0.99
00:24:36.000 But for her, what a trip it must be to go from that, which is just like the most epic victory in Brazil, in the home country, million pay-per-view buys, she's a superstar in every talk show, and everybody wants to talk to her, to head kicked,
00:24:52.000 to beaten down, and then head kicked.
00:24:55.000 Yeah.
00:24:56.000 I think...
00:24:57.000 Crazy.
00:24:57.000 Watching that fight and how Matt always talks about pushing your opponent to the distance where you need to land a kick.
00:25:04.000 So once Holly...
00:25:05.000 I mean, when Holly had her down once before and then she got up and Holly kind of let her go.
00:25:10.000 And then the second time when she pushed her butt into the high kick and I was like...
00:25:14.000 I mean, I've always...
00:25:15.000 I didn't know too much about Holly Holm.
00:25:16.000 Then once, you know, the fight was getting built up, I was like, okay, I'm gonna do a little more research on Holly Holm.
00:25:19.000 And then I saw how she was strong.
00:25:21.000 She was an athletic.
00:25:24.000 And, you know, she's always...
00:25:25.000 Her high kick's very good.
00:25:26.000 And then when she landed on there, and I was like... 1.00
00:25:29.000 This bitch is bad. 1.00
00:25:30.000 And so I just felt that Ronda Rousey ran into somebody who's just as athletic or more athletic than she is, who doesn't, I'm not saying Ronda Rousey blows up between her fight camp, but I would say, you know, if we went to Holly Holm right now, she would probably still have abs, 0.99
00:25:45.000 you know, she's fit. 0.85
00:25:46.000 Yeah.
00:25:48.000 And who's a great striker.
00:25:49.000 I mean, that's her domain. 1.00
00:25:50.000 I mean, she's a world champion in boxing. 1.00
00:25:52.000 I heard she had a kickboxing background before, too. 0.88
00:25:55.000 And that's one thing I say.
00:25:56.000 I always talk to TJ Dillshaw about Ronda Rousey. 0.99
00:25:58.000 I'm like, damn it. 0.99
00:25:59.000 I was like, oh, Ronda Rousey, her pad work's so good, but I just want to see her fucking kick. 0.99
00:26:03.000 Pad work is, like, her hands were really fast. 0.97
00:26:07.000 Her hands were fast. 0.96
00:26:07.000 And her knees to the body were good, but never kicks. 0.96
00:26:10.000 Never kicks.
00:26:10.000 I'm like, I just need to see her kick.
00:26:12.000 And TJ's like, bro, she don't need to kick, dog. 1.00
00:26:14.000 She don't need to.
00:26:14.000 I was like, TJ Dillshaw.
00:26:16.000 Me and him talk on a daily, not a daily basis, but each time we're together.
00:26:20.000 She doesn't need to kick. 1.00
00:26:21.000 Everybody needs to kick.
00:26:22.000 Oh, absolutely. 0.98
00:26:23.000 I was like, I just need to see her kick. 1.00
00:26:24.000 I was like, you know, if she had a good jab-jab inside nine to disrupt Holly Holm's base, to change the distance, you know, because the only way Ron Rossi can hit you is from punches.
00:26:36.000 My legs are longer than my feet, so I can use my kicks to change the distance, to disguise my distance to Holly Holm, but she doesn't have that in her repertoire.
00:26:45.000 I don't know how...
00:26:46.000 I don't know if Edmund is versatile in kicks or the clinch game because each time around it clinches, it's always, I'm looking to throw you.
00:26:54.000 I'm not looking to clinch, Muay Thai, throw elbows, shoot down for a double leg takedown, switch to single leg, drag you off one foot, throw the left hook.
00:27:02.000 She's not versatile in that.
00:27:03.000 So that's when people are like, man, she's the best robot in the fighting world.
00:27:06.000 I'm like, I haven't seen her kick.
00:27:09.000 I haven't seen her do a double leg takedown. 0.99
00:27:10.000 I haven't seen her drop to her back and do a heel. 0.99
00:27:13.000 So I can't buy into that.
00:27:15.000 I mean, she's an amazing athlete. 0.96
00:27:16.000 What she's done with the skill set she's been given, absolutely amazing. 0.97
00:27:20.000 I mean, her numbers are way better than mine, so what the fuck am I saying? 0.94
00:27:24.000 Well, her athleticism is unquestionable. 0.99
00:27:27.000 Her will, her drive, her championship heart, all those are unquestionable.
00:27:30.000 But I think women's MMA is sort of at a level where men's MMA was in the late 90s.
00:27:37.000 Maybe the early 2000s.
00:27:40.000 The level of competition is just nowhere near where it is in the men's division.
00:27:46.000 In the men's division, in the most competitive weight classes, like yours, 135, 155, 145, you can't be one-dimensional.
00:27:55.000 It's not possible.
00:27:57.000 You have to be able to kick.
00:27:58.000 You have to be able to punch.
00:27:59.000 You have to be able to escape submissions.
00:28:01.000 You have to have takedown defense.
00:28:02.000 You have to be able to take people down.
00:28:04.000 You have to have everything.
00:28:05.000 And in MMA, in women's MMA rather, you didn't have to for a while. 1.00
00:28:11.000 But when someone like Holly comes along, now you're going to.
00:28:14.000 Yes.
00:28:14.000 Or you look at Joanna Jacek.
00:28:16.000 Amazing striker.
00:28:18.000 She's developed a way to not get taken down.
00:28:21.000 But when I saw from her last fight, and granted she broke her hand, I don't know what around, but... 0.86
00:28:26.000 When I saw from that fight, I was like, I know the person who can beat her now.
00:28:31.000 Well, Claudia Gidea almost beat her the first time they fought. 1.00
00:28:34.000 The first time.
00:28:34.000 Very close fight.
00:28:36.000 Split decision for Joanna. 1.00
00:28:38.000 Yep, yep.
00:28:39.000 I think the person who's going to be able to beat her and dethrone her, it would be Paige Van Zandt. 1.00
00:28:44.000 What?
00:28:45.000 Really?
00:28:46.000 Wow.
00:28:47.000 Big, big statement.
00:28:49.000 What about Rose?
00:28:50.000 What if Paige and Rose are going to throw down next weekend? 0.97
00:28:52.000 The biggest thing, they're going to throw down next weekend.
00:28:54.000 So, like I said, I never like to give out my predictions because...
00:28:59.000 Well, you have to now.
00:28:59.000 Because you just said Paige, and Paige is going to fight next weekend against Rose.
00:29:03.000 Well, this is the reason why.
00:29:05.000 Okay.
00:29:06.000 I love Joanna Jacek.
00:29:07.000 Doesn't mean I don't like her.
00:29:09.000 The thing that I see from Joanna is that she's a stand-up artist. 1.00
00:29:14.000 She hits like a fucking truck. 1.00
00:29:15.000 But the thing I see from Paige Van Zandt is that, one, she's still green. 1.00
00:29:19.000 She's still new.
00:29:19.000 But the pace she puts on people, the pace that Loretta Valerie put on Joanna...
00:29:25.000 When Joanna wasn't hurting Valerie, and I was like, okay, so she's not hurting her, but I can start to see Joanna start to slow down just a little bit.
00:29:33.000 If Valerie had a little more wrestling, a little more diverse, just fighting, I'm just going to fight you. 1.00
00:29:39.000 I think, and that's what Paige brings when she fights. 1.00
00:29:42.000 She puts on a high pace to where she's in your face. 1.00
00:29:47.000 Yes, she has some weird scrambles where, you know, it's like, oh, what the hell happened?
00:29:51.000 But she ends up on top, and then she starts punching ground to pound. 1.00
00:29:53.000 I think...
00:29:55.000 That pace is going to give Joanna Jacek a problem. 1.00
00:29:58.000 Obviously, Joanna is going to prepare for her and have her great takedown defense. 1.00
00:30:02.000 But I think if Paige Van Zandt comes in, I'm like, okay, I'm going to get in your fucking face. 0.99
00:30:06.000 I'm not going to give you a chance to get your jab, set your Muay Thai up. 0.99
00:30:10.000 I'm going to get on you.
00:30:11.000 We're going to clinch. 0.95
00:30:12.000 I'm going to wrestle you. 1.00
00:30:13.000 Like when I did my Muay Thai fight, I didn't.
00:30:15.000 Dude, I didn't fight the guy Muay Thai style. 0.98
00:30:16.000 I fucking wrestled him. 0.96
00:30:18.000 I got in there, started clenching at him, grabbing his head, and then when he tried to put me off balance, I put him off balance for my wrestling. 0.99
00:30:23.000 That's what you have to do with someone who's a Muay Thai world champion. 0.96
00:30:26.000 And I believe Paige Van Zandt could do that if she has the right skills, if she has the right coaching, and the right attitude, and is ready to get fucking hit a lot. 0.97
00:30:34.000 She's gonna get hit a lot. 0.92
00:30:35.000 Yeah, and with the Rose and Paige...
00:30:39.000 The biggest thing, the same thing I tell Rose, is that she's so emotional.
00:30:43.000 And I told her, I told her first, I was like, don't be so emotional.
00:30:46.000 I was like, you're so talented, you're so good.
00:30:48.000 But I feel like you let the emotions get the best of you.
00:30:51.000 And I know it's hard, it's a fight.
00:30:53.000 It's absolutely 100% a fight.
00:30:55.000 And that's why I take myself out of the emotion.
00:30:56.000 I was like, dude, two things are gonna happen when we fight.
00:30:58.000 I'm either gonna lose, Or I'm going to win. 0.98
00:31:01.000 That's what's going to fucking happen. 0.93
00:31:02.000 I'm just going to have to do my best. 0.98
00:31:03.000 If I lose, I lose.
00:31:04.000 If I win, I win.
00:31:05.000 That's it.
00:31:06.000 Well, Paige is very scrappy. 0.95
00:31:08.000 Oh, yeah.
00:31:08.000 For sure.
00:31:09.000 I mean, you watch her fight, and there's no question about it.
00:31:13.000 She's enjoying herself.
00:31:14.000 She trains hard.
00:31:15.000 And she's got mad potential. 0.98
00:31:17.000 I mean, she just turned 21, right?
00:31:18.000 Exactly, yeah.
00:31:19.000 She's 21?
00:31:20.000 Yeah, she just turned 21. I remember last time we were hanging out, she was like, Oh, yeah, that's right.
00:31:25.000 I can go to the club now, and I can drink.
00:31:26.000 I've been to the club already, but I still drink.
00:31:28.000 Well...
00:31:28.000 Whatever, so.
00:31:29.000 That's awesome.
00:31:30.000 Well, she's at a great team, too.
00:31:33.000 Yep, exactly.
00:31:34.000 She's got a lot of people her size, tough guys.
00:31:36.000 Which can push her to be like, you need, like, there's been times when I fought people, and Matt's like, you see this guy right here?
00:31:43.000 When I fought Dodson for the first time, Matt was like, you need to be all over him.
00:31:46.000 You need to be on him from...
00:31:47.000 Once the ball starts, you need to be in his face.
00:31:49.000 What I did the first time we fought, I jumped all over him, and that's what caused me to get dropped a couple times. 0.99
00:31:54.000 But got my black ass back up and kept on going forward. 0.98
00:31:57.000 And then now the second time we fight, I have a lot better footwork. 0.99
00:32:01.000 I'm more seasoned.
00:32:03.000 My skills have kind of harnessed.
00:32:05.000 Now I'm like, okay, I just need to be all over you and not overextend myself to where you can land that big shot.
00:32:10.000 Yeah.
00:32:10.000 If Paige can see that and be like, okay, Joanna, she needs time.
00:32:14.000 It's like Rafael Rosanos versus Sergio, not Sergio Perez, Anthony Perez.
00:32:18.000 Anthony Perez, he has to go out there, get his, set his kicks up.
00:32:22.000 Okay, he's going to set it up.
00:32:24.000 Like Donald Sororan when they first fought.
00:32:26.000 Evie Pettis grabbed Donald Cerrone's hands, ran off the cage and threw a flying knee and hit him. 1.00
00:32:31.000 Only way you can do that is if you give that person a time to set up.
00:32:34.000 I'm like, we're gonna fight. 0.95
00:32:35.000 You're not gonna have time to look fucking pretty. 0.96
00:32:37.000 I'm gonna make this a nice, grueling fight. 0.99
00:32:39.000 I'm gonna get in your face and we're gonna wrestle. 1.00
00:32:41.000 And that's what Dos Anjos did. 0.55
00:32:42.000 That's what Dos Anjos did.
00:32:43.000 Yeah, Dos Anjos just ran at him.
00:32:45.000 Yep.
00:32:46.000 He was always first.
00:32:47.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:32:48.000 And that's what you do. 0.99
00:32:49.000 With somebody who needs time to set up, who needs time to test the distance and figure shit out, you get in their face. 0.95
00:32:55.000 Well, he trains with Nick Curzon, Dos Anjos does, who is one of Marv Marinovich's disciples. 0.97
00:33:00.000 Okay.
00:33:00.000 And we were talking about it, and he did the podcast, and he was saying, if you watch the fight, what happened was that Dos Anjos was always there just slightly quicker.
00:33:09.000 Like, their skill sets were incredibly similar.
00:33:11.000 Like, incredibly similar as far as how good they both are.
00:33:15.000 But Dos Anjos was just landing just a little bit quicker.
00:33:18.000 He was there first.
00:33:20.000 He never let Pettis set up.
00:33:22.000 And because of that, he won all the exchanges.
00:33:25.000 He just won virtually every minute of every round.
00:33:28.000 Every time by that much.
00:33:30.000 That's when you have two great fighters playing with fractions of seconds where it's like, I need to get off.
00:33:36.000 Conor McGregor, I think he does a good job when he gets taken down, like when he fought Chad Minnis.
00:33:40.000 He got taken down and Chad's ground and pounding.
00:33:42.000 He's just, okay, you're hitting me, you're hitting me.
00:33:44.000 But each time they got up, Conor McGregor, they are putting the pressure on him.
00:33:47.000 Because you think about it, in fights, they get up, they're like...
00:33:50.000 Good job!
00:33:51.000 Let's go back to the center of the octagon of the fight. 1.00
00:33:53.000 Fuck that! 1.00
00:33:54.000 I'm at my distance. 1.00
00:33:55.000 I'm going to start fighting now.
00:33:56.000 And you're going to have to deal with the pressure.
00:33:58.000 I'm going to make you pay for taking me down and letting me back up.
00:34:01.000 And that's what I think Dos Anjos did.
00:34:03.000 Conor did against Chad Mendes.
00:34:05.000 And I think you're going to start to see...
00:34:06.000 When people start to get it and have the cardio to do it, you're going to start seeing a lot more of that in the mixed martial arts.
00:34:12.000 Yeah, I think so too.
00:34:13.000 It's really interesting when you look at the progression of MMA from 1993 to today...
00:34:18.000 It's so crazy because we've talked about this before, but if you watch football from 1993 and football from 2015, it's still football.
00:34:27.000 Yes.
00:34:28.000 I mean, back then you had Herschel Walker, you know, you had great football players.
00:34:32.000 There was a lot where you could compare and you could look at them and you go, well, these guys are elite athletes.
00:34:37.000 They're playing the same sport.
00:34:39.000 Man, you go back and watch UFC 1 and it's not even the same sport.
00:34:44.000 It's just not.
00:34:45.000 The sport has evolved.
00:34:46.000 Even from 2005, if you go back to the time when the UFC had the Ultimate Fighter, if you go 10 years for the first season of the Ultimate Fighter, you go 10 years ago and then watch now, the difference between world champions then and world champions now, it's, boy, there's a giant leap.
00:35:01.000 I would say there's more athletic people in a sport, more athletes learning how to fight.
00:35:07.000 Back in the day, you just had guys like, I just want to fight.
00:35:11.000 I don't care how much I get paid.
00:35:13.000 That's it.
00:35:13.000 Now, I know you've probably been paying attention to...
00:35:16.000 Jon Jones has been powerlifting.
00:35:18.000 Oh, yeah.
00:35:19.000 He's taking it very serious now.
00:35:22.000 And he just deadlifted 600 pounds on Monday and put it up on Instagram.
00:35:26.000 But Daniel was saying that all this extra bulk is not good.
00:35:30.000 He's like, this is probably good for me that he's doing this.
00:35:33.000 I think... 0.98
00:35:35.000 I mean, if you look back to the first time that Daniel Corbin and Jon Jones fight, he goes, Fuck, I didn't realize how heavy he was when I had to carry him around. 0.90
00:35:41.000 And I think the second time they fight, he's going to have to carry that weight around because Jon Jones is longer. 0.94
00:35:47.000 I would say Jon Jones is maybe faster.
00:35:51.000 I mean, they're both still fast, but I think Jon Jones is going to have the upper hand in his striker realm.
00:35:55.000 So, Daniel Corman is going to have to carry all that extra weight around.
00:35:59.000 That's a beautiful thing, is that Jon Jones, yes, he's put on weight.
00:36:02.000 He's not, you know, big Jon Jones.
00:36:04.000 He's athletic.
00:36:05.000 He's taking his time off more seriously than instead of doing his partying days.
00:36:10.000 So, in retrospect, when he gets in the camp, he's already way ahead of the curve than he was when he fought DC the first time.
00:36:17.000 So, if anything, I think it's worse for DC that Jon Jones is lifting now because he's not out partying and getting fat.
00:36:24.000 It's pretty incredible that he had coke in his system three weeks before...
00:36:28.000 And he still beat Cormier. 1.00
00:36:30.000 Like, what the fuck, man? 1.00
00:36:31.000 He's so talented. 1.00
00:36:32.000 Yeah, that just shows you how talented he is.
00:36:35.000 And that, I mean, it's fighting.
00:36:38.000 I mean, and he's able to adapt when he fights.
00:36:41.000 He's able to adapt.
00:36:42.000 Like, even after watching that fight, when I watched DC and Cormier, when they fought, I felt like Jon Jones.
00:36:47.000 And I've always felt like this way with Jon Jones.
00:36:48.000 Like, when he fought Rampage...
00:36:52.000 Even when he fought Lyoto Machida, I feel like he goes out there, he takes it all in, see what his opponent wants to do, does a knee tap and all that stuff where he kicks people in the kneecap. 0.98
00:37:00.000 But I feel that there's a point where he turns around and goes, okay, I'm going to fucking finish you now.
00:37:04.000 When he dislocated his toe, I felt like you saw a different... 0.95
00:37:28.000 I feel like next time you see Jon Jones fight DC, I think you're going to see that.
00:37:33.000 Well, the Chael Sonnen fight, he wanted to prove a point. 1.00
00:37:35.000 Like, you talk so much shit, and you know you're not in my league, so I'm just gonna go out and fuck you up. 1.00
00:37:40.000 And he went out and fucked him up with his own game. 1.00
00:37:42.000 I mean, he took Chael down, just beat his ass from there. 0.99
00:37:46.000 What's really crazy about that fight is that John didn't know that he had dislocated his toe until I was talking to him in the post-fight interview. 0.98
00:37:53.000 He looked down and saw his toe and went, oh my god.
00:37:55.000 And then he kind of went into shock.
00:37:57.000 But what was going through my head was like, what would have happened if Chael made it out of that round?
00:38:02.000 Yeah.
00:38:03.000 If Chael made it out of that route, John might not have been able to continue.
00:38:06.000 Yeah.
00:38:07.000 I mean, the doctors might have stopped it.
00:38:08.000 His foot was turned upside down where the bottom of his big toe was looking up. 0.99
00:38:12.000 It was fucked up. 0.97
00:38:14.000 It's amazing that it healed up so quickly. 0.99
00:38:17.000 But if Chael had lasted somehow or another through that first round, he would have won the title.
00:38:22.000 Yeah, he would have been like, oh, well, default by Chael Sonnenberg.
00:38:25.000 You are talking to the best fighter in the highest field, Joe Rogan.
00:38:29.000 Joe Rogan, I'm looking at your pants right now, and I think you are excited, my friend.
00:38:33.000 Are you?
00:38:34.000 That's exactly what he would have said.
00:38:35.000 Yeah, he probably would have, like, speeches planned.
00:38:39.000 I mean, he's hilarious. 0.99
00:38:40.000 He's the second best shit talker of all time. 0.99
00:38:42.000 I said he was the best. 0.99
00:38:44.000 Until Connor came around, he was the best.
00:38:46.000 He was the best.
00:38:47.000 But like all things, you know, there comes an end and the new ones come along.
00:38:52.000 Exactly.
00:38:52.000 When he almost beat Anderson Silva, that was a perfect example of a guy that was fighting injured.
00:38:58.000 You know, when Anderson had a fucked up rib going into that fight, couldn't stuff the takedown, couldn't stop it, and still managed to pull off that triangle in the fifth round.
00:39:08.000 But if you watch that triangle, like I watched that triangle a bunch of times, it wasn't in.
00:39:12.000 Yeah, I think, and once he started scooting, it almost turned to an arm triangle, an armbar triangle.
00:39:16.000 The foot was never locked in behind the knee. 0.67
00:39:19.000 It was never like, you know, it was never like fucking clamped in. 0.87
00:39:24.000 He never tapped, remember? 0.97
00:39:25.000 He never tapped.
00:39:26.000 Is that what he said?
00:39:27.000 Well, remember Joe?
00:39:28.000 He goes, I didn't tap! 0.55
00:39:29.000 What the hell are you doing?
00:39:30.000 Well, he had had that issue before with Paul Ophelio.
00:39:33.000 Remember that?
00:39:33.000 Yep, yep, in WC, wasn't it?
00:39:35.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1.00
00:39:36.000 And then they fought again, and that was when Ophelio had lost his fucking mind. 0.95
00:39:43.000 Matt was there, and he was at the bar, and he was just drinking, just hammering wine that night up, before wins, I think it was. 0.99
00:39:51.000 What?
00:39:51.000 And then somebody...
00:39:52.000 And he didn't make the way.
00:39:54.000 No, he didn't make the way.
00:39:54.000 And I think somebody else was there with Matt, and then the guy called...
00:39:58.000 He called the guy who was with Matt, and he goes, hey man, hey, I'm thinking about gambling in a fight, what do you think?
00:40:04.000 And this wasn't Matt, this was a guy who was there with Matt. 0.97
00:40:07.000 And he goes, well, the way the fucking things look, Paula Feo is at the bar right now drinking fucking wine, so if you're going to gamble, you gamble and chill. 0.98
00:40:14.000 And he goes, really? 0.99
00:40:15.000 Alright, I'm going all in.
00:40:17.000 And sure enough, he cashed out.
00:40:18.000 He wasn't even in his room drinking.
00:40:19.000 He was drinking in public. 0.96
00:40:21.000 That's how crazy that guy is. 0.99
00:40:23.000 Paul Ophelia was a fucking dynamic Brazilian jiu-jitsu artist, though. 1.00
00:40:27.000 He was a bad motherfucker when it came to his jiu-jitsu. 1.00
00:40:30.000 But he just couldn't control his demons for whatever reason. 1.00
00:40:33.000 Whatever those demons were, he couldn't control them.
00:40:35.000 That's a guy everybody forgets about. 0.98
00:40:37.000 Goddamn, his jiu-jitsu was good. 0.97
00:40:39.000 His jiu-jitsu was so tight. 0.82
00:40:41.000 I remember watching him fight.
00:40:42.000 I was like, this guy's high level, man.
00:40:45.000 Yeah.
00:40:46.000 It's very rare you see guys who come from pure Brazilian Jiu Jitsu like Jacare, Bibiano Fernandez, who come from a gi perspective of grappling and be able to transfer well over to mixed martial arts because I've grappled with a lot of black belts and no gi in mixed martial arts and I'm like...
00:41:06.000 I don't know how I feel about it, but when I go with a Bibiano, I'm like, holy shit, this is a totally different level. 1.00
00:41:13.000 With the gi or without the gi? 0.97
00:41:15.000 Without the gi. 0.97
00:41:15.000 Without the gi. 0.97
00:41:16.000 Without the gi. 0.97
00:41:17.000 Each time I grab a Bibiano, it's like...
00:41:19.000 I'd rather be in Bibiano's... 0.90
00:41:21.000 Hang on, what was that?
00:41:22.000 I'd rather have Bibiano in my guard than me being his guard.
00:41:25.000 Wow.
00:41:26.000 Because I tell my guys, I don't like...
00:41:27.000 Because when we do MMA sparring, it's different because he...
00:41:31.000 I just learned this.
00:41:32.000 It's called cooking the beans.
00:41:33.000 The Brazilian is called the cooking the beans.
00:41:34.000 You need to cook the beans.
00:41:36.000 And he's like, you see, my friend...
00:41:39.000 When you take people down, do you like to posture up, punch them in the face, pass guard?
00:41:43.000 And I was like, yes, that's how I've been trained.
00:41:44.000 That's how Matt trains me.
00:41:45.000 He goes, okay, now I'm going to teach you something else.
00:41:47.000 And Matt's like, okay, you need to learn this side of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.
00:41:50.000 He goes, it's called cooking the beans.
00:41:52.000 You know, you can't just throw beans in a pot and then expect to eat them.
00:41:55.000 They're going to be hard.
00:41:56.000 You need to cook your beans, let them simmer, and then you can eat them.
00:42:00.000 So that's what you got to do in this part of Jiu-Jitsu.
00:42:03.000 You need to get in there, work it, change your pushes.
00:42:09.000 Let them get tired, and then once they get tired, then you can enjoy your dinner.
00:42:13.000 And that's what Bibiana does to me. 1.00
00:42:14.000 When we're sparring, I'm like, okay, Bibiana, alright, whenever you want to pass my guard or do this and this, you can do it.
00:42:20.000 And he goes, don't you worry, Mr. Demetri Johnson, I'm going to get you, don't worry about it. 1.00
00:42:23.000 Then he fucking gets her, I'm like, son of a bitch, damn it, damn it, damn it. 1.00
00:42:27.000 There's a lot of guys that start out with the Gi, and they develop great habits for the Gi, but terrible habits for no Gi. 1.00
00:42:34.000 I agree.
00:42:34.000 Like a lot of collar control, a lot of grabbing cuffs.
00:42:38.000 They're looking this on the ground.
00:42:39.000 Yeah, oh my god.
00:42:40.000 And then they don't have those cuffs, and they become like a blue belt. 0.87
00:42:44.000 It's crazy to see a high-level black belt. 1.00
00:42:46.000 That never trains no-gi, and then they train no-gi, and they don't know what they're doing.
00:42:52.000 It's crazy.
00:42:53.000 Or even, not even for the lines of no-gi, of MMA. Oh, yeah.
00:42:57.000 Even worse.
00:42:58.000 Like, I grappled with somebody the other day, and he was pure jiu-jitsu.
00:43:02.000 Way bigger than me.
00:43:04.000 And he had a series.
00:43:05.000 He had to go to Darce to crucifix on your back.
00:43:08.000 And then from there... 0.94
00:43:11.000 Take your back and try to choke you out. 1.00
00:43:13.000 So once we went for like two minutes, I was like, okay, this is your game.
00:43:15.000 I know what it is.
00:43:16.000 And we started grappling.
00:43:17.000 And then when he was in my guard, he wouldn't, he wouldn't try to, he had a, he tried to go through the middle with his knee.
00:43:22.000 And I was like, okay, you're pure Brazilian jiu-jitsu.
00:43:24.000 And I was like, so if this was the MMA fight, you know, I'm right there. 0.99
00:43:27.000 I was like, I could just stand up and knee you in the stomach and start punching the face.
00:43:30.000 And so I can tell when I start going with somebody, like if I was to grapple with You know, you'd be like, hey man, what'd you grab with this guy? 0.99
00:43:35.000 I'm like, okay, I'll grab with you.
00:43:36.000 And then I'll feel him out and I'm like, you're just pure jiu-jitsu.
00:43:39.000 And I'm like, because you're not mixing everything up with mixed martial arts into it.
00:43:46.000 So even like when you're down on the ground with someone just rolling, you could tell that they're pure jiu-jitsu by the way they set things up?
00:43:54.000 Yes, I can tell.
00:43:57.000 If they're pure jiu-jitsu and they've done mixed martial arts, so for instance, for me, you can tell when I'm on my back, I'm not a Brazilian jiu-jitsu fighter.
00:44:06.000 I know how to do my arbor, I know how to do my commerce, I know how to do my front chokes and elevate and tip you off and all that stuff, but...
00:44:13.000 Typically, when I'm on my back, I'm doing either two things.
00:44:16.000 I'm trying to set your weight somewhere else so I can get back on my feet so I can start striking with you, or I'm looking to LA you to reverse you and then get my top game and start playing my game to looking to punch you. 0.99
00:44:28.000 Typically, when I go with Bibiano, he has both those styles where he'll cook the beans.
00:44:32.000 When he's on his back, he's throwing up the triangle, the armbar, doing certain steps where I'm like, okay, this guy, I don't want to be here.
00:44:42.000 I want to...
00:44:43.000 I don't like it.
00:44:44.000 I want to pass your guard and get it there.
00:44:45.000 To where the guy we were with the other night, I can feel it.
00:44:48.000 I was like, you're just trying to cook the beans, dog, and it ain't going to happen.
00:44:51.000 These beans aren't going to be cooked.
00:44:52.000 And so that's why I was like, okay, you're just pure jiu-jitsu.
00:44:55.000 Cook the beans is a great statement.
00:44:57.000 I'm going to hold on to that one.
00:44:58.000 Because I had heard cooking.
00:45:00.000 Hoyce says that before.
00:45:01.000 I've heard him say that.
00:45:03.000 You've got to cook your opponent.
00:45:05.000 You've got to cook them.
00:45:06.000 Yep.
00:45:06.000 Or Matt always talks, when Matt's, one of his trainers, Haru, he would always reference everything in fishing.
00:45:14.000 And so he goes, you know, when you go out fishing, you know, you throw the line out there and you just don't reel it up like that.
00:45:21.000 You know, you throw the line and you kind of, you know, make the fish take the bait.
00:45:25.000 Then once they take the bait and they bite, you hook them.
00:45:27.000 And so when Matt's talking about striking, you know, you go out there and you start, you know, Making him, you know, if you have a counter striker, you want to give him that illusion like, hey, I'm right here.
00:45:36.000 Kind of what Conor does.
00:45:37.000 Conor gets here.
00:45:38.000 You know, he's here.
00:45:39.000 And then when you start striking, he's like, I'm actually right here. 0.89
00:45:42.000 And I can hit you.
00:45:43.000 So that's what kind of reference of like, I'm a big reference of analogies.
00:45:47.000 When I teach mixed martial arts, when I used to teach, I would always use analogies when I would teach my...
00:45:52.000 The students at AMC. Connor also has the shit talking that he does while you're fighting. 0.99
00:46:00.000 I watched that Tyson Fury-Vladimir Klitschko fight. 0.99
00:46:03.000 Did you see that fight? 1.00
00:46:04.000 Vladimir Klitschko looked like dog shit. 1.00
00:46:07.000 And I think one of the reasons why he looked like dog shit is that Tyson Fury guy never shuts the fuck up. 1.00
00:46:12.000 He didn't shut the fuck up at the press conferences. 1.00
00:46:14.000 He didn't shut the fuck up at the weigh-in. 0.99
00:46:16.000 He didn't shut the fuck up when they were introducing the fight. 0.99
00:46:19.000 I mean, when they're doing national anthems, he didn't shut the fuck up. 0.99
00:46:22.000 And I think... 0.99
00:46:23.000 Like, to a guy like Vladimir, who barely speaks English anyway, he's like a stoic sort of a guy, like, I think that fucks with his head. 0.98
00:46:31.000 It could be. 0.99
00:46:32.000 I never forget when Chad was like, he was still talking shit when I was, you know, he goes, uh, uh, uh, and I think, I think it can happen. 0.99
00:46:38.000 I mean, For me, if somebody was going to talk, I remember when I was getting ready to fight Dawson the second time, he goes, I'm going to talk shit to him in the fight. 0.99
00:46:44.000 I'm like, we'll fucking see. 0.99
00:46:46.000 We'll see. 0.99
00:46:47.000 And he did it. 1.00
00:46:48.000 There was a point in time where I was going to talk shit. 1.00
00:46:51.000 I was like, yeah, you would talk shit. 1.00
00:46:52.000 Take it. 1.00
00:46:54.000 When you were dominating that fight from the jump, I think he never really had a chance to get comfortable enough to start talking shit. 0.99
00:47:03.000 The thing about talking shit is you have to think about it while you're doing it, and then the opponent has to think about it while you're doing it. 0.99
00:47:10.000 You have to think about it while you're doing it, and your opponent has to think about it. 0.99
00:47:13.000 There's a whole other element going on in the fight.
00:47:15.000 There's a conversation.
00:47:16.000 Yeah, exactly. 0.99
00:47:18.000 I think the only time I've ever talked shit before I fight was somebody said I had a weak-ass ground game. 0.99
00:47:25.000 It was just during the countdown. 0.99
00:47:27.000 I was like... 0.97
00:47:28.000 Okay, I got a weak-ass ground game. 0.98
00:47:29.000 Perfect. 0.98
00:47:30.000 Alright, just gave me more motivation. 1.00
00:47:31.000 Beat your ass. 1.00
00:47:32.000 And sure enough, we're getting in a fight, and I'm beating him up, and then I submit him. 1.00
00:47:36.000 And I walk away, and I do my thing, and I walk into him, and he was on the ground just, you know, like this. 0.89
00:47:39.000 And I said, got on my knees, like, not bad for a weak-ass ground game, huh?
00:47:44.000 And I just walked off. 0.73
00:47:45.000 And I was like, hmm.
00:47:46.000 And the people who knew me knew what I said to him, but...
00:47:49.000 Was that Moraga?
00:47:51.000 No, no, no.
00:47:51.000 Who was it?
00:47:52.000 It was Chris Cariasso.
00:47:53.000 Oh, did Chris Cariasso say that?
00:47:55.000 Yeah, he said it.
00:47:56.000 He said it.
00:47:57.000 But even like, in all my opponents, every single time I fought them, to the John Dodson, even though he talks shit about me, to John Rangan when he talks shit about me, every single time I fight my guys, I go up to them and say, dude, hey, this isn't the end of your career. 0.69
00:48:08.000 At the end of the day, it's about being able to take care of your family and Pay your bills and have a career.
00:48:13.000 So this isn't the end for you.
00:48:16.000 Keep on fighting and, you know, maybe you get another chance at the title or maybe not. 0.98
00:48:20.000 And no matter how much shit they talk about me, then it doesn't matter me. 0.99
00:48:24.000 Well, it's interesting because shit talking is almost a prerequisite. 1.00
00:48:27.000 It almost seems like it's almost mandatory. 1.00
00:48:29.000 It's so rare that someone doesn't talk shit. 1.00
00:48:32.000 Name one time I've talked shit. 1.00
00:48:33.000 You don't. 1.00
00:48:34.000 You don't.
00:48:34.000 But it's rare.
00:48:36.000 It's very rare. 0.96
00:48:37.000 Like, Luke Rockhold and Chris Weidman, these two are talking more shit before this fight than any other fight I could ever remember Weidman being in. 0.96
00:48:44.000 Yeah, true. 0.98
00:48:45.000 And I think, honestly, it's because of numbers.
00:48:48.000 If somebody goes like this, if I say, Joe Rogan, You are going to fight the commentator for Bellator.
00:48:56.000 I don't even know his name.
00:48:57.000 Jimmy Smith.
00:48:58.000 Jimmy Smith.
00:48:58.000 There you go.
00:48:58.000 Thank you.
00:48:59.000 You're going to fight Jimmy Smith.
00:49:00.000 I'm going to pay you $2 million just to fight.
00:49:03.000 You ain't got to say anything.
00:49:04.000 You just show up, make weight, post some videos here and there.
00:49:07.000 You can get $2 million, right?
00:49:09.000 Or...
00:49:11.000 If, okay, here's your contract.
00:49:13.000 Okay, you have a percentage that you can hit, sir.
00:49:15.000 If you can hype this fight up, you're going to get 50% of revenue, my friend. 1.00
00:49:19.000 You're like, fuck, you know, Smith, man, he ain't shit. 1.00
00:49:22.000 Y'all see me hitting them weights today? 1.00
00:49:24.000 I'm going to destroy this guy. 0.99
00:49:25.000 He is slow. 1.00
00:49:26.000 Of course.
00:49:27.000 Of course.
00:49:28.000 It's a totally different thing. 1.00
00:49:29.000 But if I came to you, if I went to Luke Rockco, if I went to Chapman, I'm sure Conor McGregor would still fucking talk shit. 1.00
00:49:34.000 He'd talk shit if it was free. 1.00
00:49:36.000 Yeah, right? 0.99
00:49:38.000 But if I went to Jose Aldo and Conor McGregor and Luke Rockhold and Chris Whiteman, I'm like, okay guys, here's the thing.
00:49:44.000 You're gonna get two million dollars.
00:49:45.000 You're gonna get two million dollars.
00:49:48.000 Aldo and Conor, you're gonna get five million dollars.
00:49:51.000 Do your thing. 0.99
00:49:52.000 You ain't even gotta talk shit. 0.99
00:49:53.000 Just do whatever you wanna do. 0.99
00:49:54.000 This is gonna get paid.
00:49:55.000 I guarantee you, you still might hear Luke Rockhold say, Chris Whiteman is slow.
00:49:59.000 He would probably say it in more intelligent way.
00:50:03.000 They were like, Luke Rockhold, what are the things you see about Chris Whiteman?
00:50:07.000 I think he's slow.
00:50:08.000 I obviously think I am the more better athlete than he is, and I think I'm going to be able to expose that tonight.
00:50:15.000 Instead of him like, Chris is slow.
00:50:18.000 Slow, slow, slow.
00:50:20.000 You know, trying to, derogatory.
00:50:22.000 So that's my opinion, but then again, I could be wrong.
00:50:25.000 No, I think you've got a point.
00:50:27.000 But I think there's both things going on.
00:50:29.000 Because like we said, there's a psychological game that's going on that will go on no matter what.
00:50:33.000 But then there's the hype for financial gain.
00:50:35.000 Oh, yeah.
00:50:36.000 The only reason I bought the Besh Carrera and Ronda Rousey fight is because when she was like, don't cry! 1.00
00:50:41.000 I was like...
00:50:42.000 Alright, babe.
00:50:43.000 Call direct TV. Let's fucking order it. 0.99
00:50:44.000 You guys see this bitch get work. 1.00
00:50:46.000 That's the only reason why I bought it. 0.99
00:50:48.000 Because I knew how the fight was going to go.
00:50:51.000 Even the Manny Pacquiao and Mayweather.
00:50:53.000 I didn't have to buy the fight.
00:50:54.000 I was like, I knew exactly how the fight was going to go.
00:50:56.000 Did you really?
00:50:56.000 Yeah, I knew exactly how the fight was going to go.
00:50:58.000 You didn't think that if Manny Pacquiao was healthy that he presented some problems?
00:51:02.000 Nope.
00:51:02.000 Wow, that's interesting.
00:51:02.000 Because the way boxing is scored.
00:51:04.000 You don't get...
00:51:05.000 I guess you get points if I... Block your shot technically.
00:51:12.000 Right.
00:51:13.000 So if I'm here, you throw a hook, I'm like, got that.
00:51:16.000 There's a point for me.
00:51:17.000 Boom, got that.
00:51:18.000 Like when he fought Medina, and he was on the ropes getting beat up, if that was mixed martial arts, he wouldn't want that fight hands down.
00:51:24.000 But in boxing, he's blocking on that.
00:51:26.000 You're wasting your punch, which rightfully so.
00:51:28.000 That's how it should be. 0.99
00:51:29.000 Yeah, you could throw 500 punches in a fucking round, and you only land 10 of them. 1.00
00:51:33.000 What the hell were you doing? 1.00
00:51:34.000 Especially with those big gloves, because you can block with the big gloves better.
00:51:37.000 Exactly.
00:51:37.000 Even in MMA. Oh, no.
00:51:39.000 Oh, man, he threw 500 punches. 1.00
00:51:41.000 How many of those fucking things landed? 0.99
00:51:44.000 That's why I'm so big on being technical. 0.99
00:51:46.000 Why am I going to go out there and throw all these punches and do nothing?
00:51:51.000 That was what was great about your victory over Dodson.
00:51:53.000 I was interviewing you.
00:51:54.000 Look at me. 1.00
00:51:55.000 I just went five rounds and I'm pretty as a motherfucker. 1.00
00:51:57.000 It was true! 0.99
00:51:58.000 It was true. 0.75
00:51:59.000 But it was hilarious because you went five rounds with the most dangerous guy.
00:52:04.000 Exactly.
00:52:04.000 And that's why I bring it to a point where people like, you know, and sometimes I feel people get upset.
00:52:08.000 They're like, from like a promoter standpoint, they're like, ah, fuck. 0.99
00:52:13.000 You know, this was a fight to make. 1.00
00:52:14.000 You know, Dodson's that guy who hits people and knocks them down.
00:52:17.000 And I'm like, dude, you hit hard. 0.99
00:52:20.000 I'm not gonna fucking be there. 0.99
00:52:21.000 I'm not gonna sit there and let you hit me. 0.99
00:52:23.000 People are like, you need to bang it out.
00:52:24.000 What? 1.00
00:52:25.000 That's so stupid. 1.00
00:52:26.000 They're like, you're gonna get more fans. 1.00
00:52:27.000 That's so stupid. 1.00
00:52:28.000 Somebody the other day goes, dude. 1.00
00:52:29.000 If you want to make more money, you should go to 135. And I'm like, so let me get this.
00:52:33.000 So you're saying, I want to make more money fighting at 135. Is that in my contract?
00:52:37.000 Is that guaranteed?
00:52:40.000 No, it's not. 0.99
00:52:40.000 So you're fucking high right now. 0.99
00:52:42.000 Well, that's not right anyway. 0.99
00:52:44.000 I mean, your weight class is correct.
00:52:46.000 This is where you belong.
00:52:48.000 It's like you're fighting perfectly at this weight class.
00:52:50.000 There's no problems whatsoever.
00:52:51.000 Yeah.
00:52:51.000 People just don't know what the fuck they're talking about and they don't appreciate the art of what you're doing.
00:52:57.000 Your fight with John Dotson was one of my favorite fights of the year. 0.96
00:53:00.000 Thank you.
00:53:00.000 It was because it was like if I tell if I have a if there's a young guy that's thinking about a young girl that's thinking about getting into MMA, I will watch this fight.
00:53:08.000 You're watching a guy fight one of the most athletic, one of the most dangerous guys in the fucking in the sport. 0.72
00:53:15.000 A guy who, legitimate one-punch knockout power. 0.85
00:53:18.000 A guy who does flips. 0.57
00:53:19.000 I mean, he's a freak!
00:53:20.000 He's way more athletic than me. 0.96
00:53:22.000 He's a freak! 0.99
00:53:22.000 If you're like, dude, go up and do a backflip and do twisty shit, I'll be like, you know what? 0.99
00:53:26.000 I can't do it, I'm not gonna lie. 0.98
00:53:28.000 Like, I cannot do, run up and do a backflip like that.
00:53:29.000 I cannot do it.
00:53:30.000 Now, he's a freak. 0.98
00:53:31.000 John Donson is a freak. 0.95
00:53:33.000 But you shut it all down. 0.98
00:53:35.000 You shut it all down.
00:53:37.000 And you shut it all down not by running away, not by avoiding him, by engaging over and over again, but controlling the distance, controlling the position.
00:53:47.000 Like, you were constantly out of position for him.
00:53:50.000 I mean, he just couldn't find you.
00:53:52.000 He couldn't find you.
00:53:52.000 He's masterful.
00:53:53.000 You are very knowledgeable in the sports where half the motherfuckers you were watching, they're all like, ah! 1.00
00:53:58.000 So boring, so boring. 0.99
00:54:00.000 I wasn't bored for a second in that fight. 0.99
00:54:02.000 I was like, God damn, we were watching art. 0.99
00:54:04.000 We're watching a masterpiece. 0.99
00:54:06.000 It was a masterpiece.
00:54:07.000 I appreciate it.
00:54:08.000 It's one of the best fights ever. 0.97
00:54:09.000 I really believe one of the best performances ever because I think Dodson is so fucking dangerous.
00:54:15.000 He's so dangerous and I think and I can feel I can tell the three points were like when we're training and I'll just get hit so many times so much and I'm like this is fucking stupid like I'm gonna get not I'm gonna get knocked out if I fight like this But then I believe in that's training and I believe what he says and it worked out good and I could tell there was some relief off of Matt's shoulder after that fight because we know how it can end like that. 0.73
00:54:41.000 And we know Dotson has the power for one shot. 0.90
00:54:43.000 Once it lands, it's like...
00:54:44.000 Well, he's knocked out TJ Dillshaw.
00:54:46.000 I mean, you watch that fight. 1.00
00:54:48.000 God damn, he threw some fucking combinations in that fight. 0.99
00:54:51.000 When he knocked out Dillshaw to win the ultimate fighter at 135. He was in position. 1.00
00:54:56.000 He was at the angle as TJ was getting up to finish him off.
00:55:01.000 And that's where it's like, Dotson's dangerous.
00:55:03.000 A lot of people don't...
00:55:05.000 Give him the credit he deserves.
00:55:07.000 I mean, I give him all the credit he deserves.
00:55:08.000 That's why after the fight, I was like, dude, good job of being a father.
00:55:11.000 If you weren't the champ, he would be the champ.
00:55:14.000 Yeah, absolutely.
00:55:14.000 Or Joseph Benavides.
00:55:16.000 Or Joseph Benavides, right.
00:55:18.000 Or those two.
00:55:18.000 And I think with Dotson going up to 135, I think it's a good thing for the young and upcoming contenders because I don't know They probably could get through him, but from what I've seen and how I fought Dotson and how he brings it, I can tell that he would be just like Joseph.
00:55:35.000 He's beaten all the contenders.
00:55:37.000 I also think that at 135, he'll probably be a bit more healthy.
00:55:40.000 Yes, I totally agree.
00:55:41.000 I think he cuts too much weight, and I think that there's a lot of guys that just, they never fight At their optimum.
00:55:49.000 They're just so drained and dehydrated that they just always feel flat when they compete.
00:55:54.000 I don't necessarily think that I've seen him flat at 125, but I think he was even more dynamic at 35. I agree.
00:56:03.000 Because, like you said, you're not drained.
00:56:05.000 Right.
00:56:06.000 He's a muscular dude.
00:56:07.000 That's a lot of weight.
00:56:09.000 Yeah, he's a big dude.
00:56:09.000 I think I maybe got myself an inch.
00:56:11.000 I think I got an inch on him.
00:56:13.000 But he's way bigger physically than I am.
00:56:16.000 Physically?
00:56:17.000 Is that a word?
00:56:18.000 I just made it up.
00:56:19.000 We just copyrighted that in 2015. Physically.
00:56:23.000 Put it in the books.
00:56:26.000 Lineker would have been interesting if he could make that weight.
00:56:28.000 Yes.
00:56:29.000 He just seems to be very undisciplined.
00:56:31.000 Very undisciplined.
00:56:32.000 And that's the thing, dude, he's not like a very big dude.
00:56:34.000 But once again, you're starting to see him.
00:56:36.000 Just undisciplined.
00:56:37.000 I remember when we were fighting UFC 191, and my wife's sitting there, and she goes, Babe, isn't that Linder girl over there? 1.00
00:56:43.000 And I was like, yes, Linder girl. 0.99
00:56:44.000 And I was like, why the fuck's he eating pancakes waiting till tomorrow? 0.99
00:56:48.000 He was eating pancakes the day before the weigh-ins? 0.99
00:56:51.000 Oh my god.
00:56:52.000 He fought at 135 so he can do that. 0.99
00:56:53.000 What a dummy. 0.94
00:56:54.000 But he was eating it. 1.00
00:56:55.000 He fucking went out there and destroyed Cisco Rivera. 0.99
00:56:58.000 They got in that strange and obviously he- That was a crazy fight. 1.00
00:57:01.000 Why the fuck did Rivera fight like that? 0.99
00:57:04.000 I don't know. 0.99
00:57:04.000 I just don't understand that fight. 0.99
00:57:06.000 Rivera's talented.
00:57:07.000 He's a talented guy.
00:57:09.000 He went three rounds, two rounds with Uriah Faber, mixing it up, keeping the distance.
00:57:13.000 Until he got eye poked.
00:57:14.000 And that's the thing.
00:57:15.000 But you get rewarded for fights like that.
00:57:18.000 You get rewarded for that.
00:57:20.000 That didn't make any sense.
00:57:21.000 Why not do it?
00:57:22.000 You got an extra $50,000.
00:57:24.000 I think it was also because Lineker was known as a knockout artist at 25. He's like, you come up to my weight class, I'm going to fuck you up. 0.99
00:57:31.000 No, dude. 1.00
00:57:31.000 Nope. 1.00
00:57:32.000 That fucking dude hits hard. 1.00
00:57:36.000 Lineker hits hard. 1.00
00:57:37.000 He hits hard.
00:57:38.000 He's built weird.
00:57:40.000 You're going to hit hard if you throw from the hips.
00:57:42.000 The great example is Artem.
00:57:44.000 Love the guy.
00:57:45.000 Very good guy.
00:57:46.000 But when I see him fight and I'm like...
00:57:47.000 Artem Levin?
00:57:48.000 Is that what you're talking about?
00:57:49.000 Yes.
00:57:49.000 The kickboxer of glory?
00:57:50.000 No, no, no, no.
00:57:51.000 Who are you talking about?
00:57:52.000 Conor Gregor's boy.
00:57:52.000 Artem.
00:57:53.000 Artem.
00:57:54.000 An ultimate fighter.
00:57:56.000 He fights here with the stands and he swings. 0.99
00:57:58.000 Of course you're going to hit fucking hard. 0.99
00:58:00.000 You're throwing from the fence. 0.99
00:58:01.000 I'm like, okay, the perfect person to beat him is the guy who throws from the chamber who can wrestle and leg kick.
00:58:05.000 That's the perfect person to beat him. 0.53
00:58:07.000 Him versus Anthony Pettis.
00:58:08.000 Anthony Pettis would tear him all day.
00:58:10.000 Just because it's solid defense.
00:58:11.000 He hits hard because you're throwing from your hips.
00:58:14.000 Well, he definitely hits hard, but it's, yeah.
00:58:16.000 I mean, it's sneaky because you don't see those punches coming.
00:58:19.000 Absolutely.
00:58:20.000 And it can be a problem for a lot of guys because as he's moving in, they're coming at weird angles.
00:58:23.000 You can't predict them.
00:58:24.000 And with those small gloves, they get in there and they find their home.
00:58:27.000 You get hit right here.
00:58:28.000 You can't block here.
00:58:29.000 You get knocked out.
00:58:30.000 And that's where I'm like, John Lineker, he hits hard.
00:58:33.000 But once he starts, once those things come in, it goes...
00:58:37.000 And it's wham, wham, wham, wham, wham.
00:58:39.000 So someone to beat him is going to have to be very technical, very disciplined.
00:58:45.000 Louis Gwitnot choked him out.
00:58:47.000 So he kind of throws him in the chamber.
00:58:50.000 I don't know.
00:58:51.000 I just think we have style.
00:58:53.000 If you want to see a second fight, okay, I'm going to put a brawler against a brawler. 0.76
00:58:57.000 I'm going to put a brawl against a technician. 0.99
00:58:58.000 People are going to think it's boring.
00:58:59.000 It's like Rory McDonald.
00:59:01.000 I think he's one of the greatest technicians at Walter Waite.
00:59:03.000 I agree.
00:59:04.000 He stays here, crosses distance, doesn't care what the fans think.
00:59:08.000 He goes, at the end of the day, my job is to win this fight.
00:59:10.000 I'm going to do it very technically and systematically.
00:59:14.000 But the Robbie Lawler fight did turn out to be a brawl.
00:59:17.000 Yes.
00:59:18.000 Robbie sort of forced it into a brawl.
00:59:19.000 The second one or the first one?
00:59:20.000 Yes.
00:59:21.000 Second one.
00:59:21.000 See, the thing that I felt bad for...
00:59:23.000 I didn't feel bad for Rory Madonna, but...
00:59:26.000 Robbie is a softball.
00:59:28.000 And Rory is orthodox, if I'm correct.
00:59:30.000 And he kept circling into his power.
00:59:33.000 Like, he would circle...
00:59:34.000 Yeah.
00:59:35.000 He would circle like this.
00:59:35.000 I'm like, dude, what are you doing?
00:59:36.000 Circle to his right, yeah.
00:59:38.000 You're not buying the correct real estate, my friend.
00:59:40.000 You need to buy the real estate outside to get your punch line up.
00:59:42.000 So each time they exchange...
00:59:44.000 He won the better exchange, which ended up being his downfall.
00:59:47.000 But that's why I thought it was crazy how the judges had him winning the fight.
00:59:50.000 Yeah, I don't understand that either.
00:59:52.000 I guess it was the round before the stoppage where he head kicked him.
00:59:55.000 Oh, yeah.
00:59:56.000 He had Robbie pretty hurt.
00:59:57.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:59:58.000 But goddamn what a good fight that was. 0.99
01:00:00.000 That's one of those fights where you watch it and you go, wow, what a fight. 0.99
01:00:06.000 But What damage those guys took?
01:00:09.000 I was in the stands, and I think I was at that fight, and I was sitting there.
01:00:15.000 Yeah, that was the Conor and Chad fight, right?
01:00:17.000 He was winning tonight.
01:00:18.000 I was sitting there, and I was like, you know what?
01:00:19.000 I truly hope they take care of him.
01:00:21.000 Like, I truly hope they get taken care of, especially Warren McDonald for all that damage.
01:00:26.000 There's not enough money in the world for me to risk my brain damage.
01:00:30.000 Like, yeah, I know I'm fighting right now. 0.99
01:00:31.000 And they're like, well, why the fuck are you fighting? 0.99
01:00:33.000 That's why, you know, Matt, he'll look at me. 0.99
01:00:36.000 There was one time I just fucking brawled it out. 0.97
01:00:37.000 I was like, I'm just gonna fucking go. 0.97
01:00:38.000 I'm just gonna let my hands go. 0.99
01:00:40.000 I'm gonna take shots, get shots, have vertigo.
01:00:42.000 And Matt was like... 1.00
01:00:44.000 What the fuck were you doing? 0.99
01:00:45.000 That was the Ian McCall fight, right? 1.00
01:00:46.000 The first Ian McCall fight.
01:00:47.000 Matt was like, what are you doing?
01:00:48.000 I was like, I want to stand and bang.
01:00:50.000 You know, I want to do the whole thing.
01:00:53.000 He goes, no.
01:00:55.000 No.
01:00:56.000 No.
01:00:56.000 He goes, your talents are, you're gifted.
01:00:59.000 You can switch from aspects of mixed martial arts without missing a beat.
01:01:04.000 That is your gift.
01:01:05.000 Your gift is be fast and not let people hit you.
01:01:07.000 That's what you have.
01:01:09.000 You do it better than I do and you do it better than Brad does.
01:01:12.000 So we need to harness that. 0.99
01:01:13.000 And then when he told me that, I was like, fuck, you're right. 0.99
01:01:16.000 And so that's what I've been doing ever since. 0.98
01:01:18.000 And that's why you have not seen me yet. 0.97
01:01:21.000 Obviously, the first Dotson fight, I got fucked up. 0.90
01:01:24.000 And I was like... 0.98
01:01:25.000 Alright, let's fix this.
01:01:28.000 Do you feel like you're still growing?
01:01:29.000 You feel like you're still getting better?
01:01:31.000 Yep.
01:01:32.000 The reason why I say that is because this is the first time out of my camps.
01:01:37.000 Usually I'll let myself...
01:01:39.000 I don't want to say let myself go.
01:01:40.000 I feel like I got fat between camps.
01:01:42.000 But this is the first time between camps I'm actually lifting heavy.
01:01:47.000 I'm still learning and I'm maturing as an athlete and as a competitor.
01:01:52.000 I think my last fight against Dotson was the first time I went into a fight and I was like, okay, let's see what happens.
01:01:58.000 I shoot.
01:01:58.000 There was no part in the game plan to me pick his leg up and walk him to the cage and punch him and elbow him.
01:02:04.000 We'd never trained that at all.
01:02:06.000 Or me doing the spinning back elbow and hitting him.
01:02:09.000 That stuff I dug up maybe two years ago that Matt's taught me.
01:02:13.000 And so Matt is still teaching me Stuff that I can use in my fights and I'm able to implement it in my fighting style.
01:02:19.000 So each time when I look in a fight, I go, okay, I'm fighting this person.
01:02:23.000 I'll get in there and I'll feel the distance.
01:02:25.000 I'll test it and then I'll be like, okay, let me dig in my toolbox.
01:02:28.000 Okay, this can take care of this.
01:02:30.000 I use it and I try to apply it.
01:02:32.000 If it doesn't work, okay, let me fix it.
01:02:33.000 One second.
01:02:34.000 Dig in there and bring it back up.
01:02:36.000 Oh, this is working.
01:02:37.000 So that was just complete improvisation.
01:02:40.000 Complete improvisation.
01:02:41.000 And a skill that you hadn't really worked on in a long time.
01:02:43.000 Yep.
01:02:44.000 Wow, that's crazy to do that in a title fight.
01:02:46.000 That's what shows you how comfortable you are too.
01:02:48.000 And that's me becoming more mature and trusting my skills. 0.99
01:02:54.000 Like Matt says my biggest opponent is me because he goes, dude, you could put people in the fucking matrix. 0.97
01:02:58.000 You realize that, right? 0.98
01:02:59.000 And I was like...
01:03:00.000 Really?
01:03:00.000 And he goes, yes.
01:03:01.000 And I was like, you do it in here all the time.
01:03:02.000 You can do it.
01:03:03.000 Just do it in a fight.
01:03:04.000 And that's when I was fighting, I think it was all about a team.
01:03:06.000 He goes, put him in the Matrix.
01:03:07.000 Put him in the Matrix. 0.94
01:03:09.000 And I'm like, with them little ass gloves, I'm not comfortable doing it yet because you get knocked out and then next thing you know, your paycheck's less and it's like, oh great, now I gotta survive all this. 0.99
01:03:19.000 So I'm hoping one day I can get to that point to where You guys can see where it's like, now that's the fucking Matrix. 0.96
01:03:26.000 Does it frustrate you when you look at what you're capable of doing and you look at...
01:03:31.000 I'm not the only one that thinks you're the best pound for pound fighter in the world, but then you see other people that are fighting that don't have maybe the skill set that you have that just get all this hype and all this attention and the more pay-per-view buys and you look at that and go, 0.97
01:03:46.000 fuck, what do I have to do here? 0.97
01:03:48.000 You know, I'm not going to lie. 1.00
01:03:49.000 There comes a point in time where you get pissed off about it.
01:03:51.000 It's like, not just me, but I think people around me who believe in my skill set.
01:03:56.000 But you can't let that detour you off your goals.
01:04:01.000 Like, I always make fun of people.
01:04:03.000 I always make fun of myself.
01:04:04.000 I was like, you know, if I end up breaking Anderson Silva's record... 0.97
01:04:07.000 Half the fucking world won't even know who I am.
01:04:09.000 And I always call myself the red-headed stepchild from the UFC, where it's like, they'll be like, if people in the day they're like, they come to see Dan White, like, Dan White, we're interested, you know, you know, pushing your company, you know, you know, can you tell me some of your great athletes? 0.98
01:04:19.000 And he'll be like, oh, you know, we have, uh, you know, Anderson, Conor McGregor, and all these guys.
01:04:23.000 And he'll be like, who is, uh, Demetrius Johnson is his name.
01:04:29.000 They call him Mighty Mouse.
01:04:30.000 He has 13 consecutive title events.
01:04:33.000 Why didn't you not mention him at all?
01:04:35.000 I don't understand.
01:04:36.000 And they'll be like, oh, him?
01:04:37.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, him!
01:04:38.000 So, I mean, I always make fun of myself like, you know, I'm ready to step travel UFC because I don't get the exact same hype as other people, which is totally fine.
01:04:46.000 I'm not out here looking for hype and all that stuff. 0.99
01:04:48.000 I'm not here to try to prove that the skill set I bring into the octagon is if you're going to go in a bar and you're going to get in a fight, You want to bring my shit in there. 0.90
01:04:56.000 Because you're going to get in a fight, and you're going to be able to beat this guy up, and he's not going to be able to touch you. 0.94
01:05:01.000 And you're going to walk out and I'm like, Officer, I was not involved in that fight.
01:05:05.000 Look at my face.
01:05:06.000 Why are your knuckles bleeding, sir?
01:05:08.000 They are not.
01:05:10.000 I was cleaning up stuff.
01:05:11.000 So that's why I want to...
01:05:13.000 And it does not translate well over to the fans and all that stuff.
01:05:18.000 But you finished fights, like you knocked out Benavidez in the first round, you finished Horiguchi with one second to go in the last round of a fight you were dominating, you finished Moraga in the same situation, a fight where you were dominating, you still went for the finish and finished him.
01:05:34.000 You have exciting finishes.
01:05:37.000 You're preaching the choir, my friend.
01:05:38.000 Dude, I don't get it.
01:05:39.000 I don't get it.
01:05:41.000 That's the thing, too.
01:05:42.000 Eventually, hopefully, they'll jump on board.
01:05:48.000 Hopefully. 1.00
01:05:48.000 These fucks. 1.00
01:05:50.000 If it doesn't happen, I'll keep doing my best and winning. 1.00
01:05:55.000 That's the thing, too.
01:05:56.000 It could be my personality.
01:05:59.000 When I come into fights, they're like, So, Demis Johnson, what do you think about this fight?
01:06:04.000 I'm like, you know, I think my opponent's a great fight, a great guy.
01:06:07.000 And, you know, whether I win or lose, the outcome does not change.
01:06:10.000 I'm never attached to the outcome of my fights.
01:06:13.000 And when I say that is that when I won against John Johnson, I wasn't out there like, oh, man, we're going to...
01:06:19.000 God, that was a great fight, man.
01:06:21.000 Hey, you're not my wife. 1.00
01:06:23.000 How you doing, baby?
01:06:23.000 Let me see you twerking.
01:06:25.000 That's not how it goes.
01:06:26.000 Or if I lose, that's not how it goes.
01:06:29.000 After I win my fights, I go home, I relax, I spend time with my wife, my children, and then I call up Sean Sharp.
01:06:37.000 I was like, okay, what's next?
01:06:38.000 So you're still you no matter what.
01:06:40.000 No matter what.
01:06:41.000 It doesn't get too high, it doesn't get too low.
01:06:43.000 Exactly, because at the end of the day, there's going to come a point in time I'm going to lose.
01:06:47.000 There's going to come a point in time to where you're not going to call me the best fighter in the world.
01:06:50.000 Like, it's just, it's reality.
01:06:52.000 I mean, I hope you do.
01:06:53.000 I honestly hope you do.
01:06:55.000 Forever.
01:06:55.000 Forever.
01:06:56.000 Like, you're in your 50. You're like, babe, make sure on my tune you put the greatest fighter ever, Demetri Johnson.
01:07:03.000 But, it's reality.
01:07:05.000 It's gonna happen.
01:07:06.000 There's gonna be better Demisha Johnson maybe 10 or 15 years down the road. 0.99
01:07:10.000 So for me, I keep that in my mind that It keeps me calm.
01:07:14.000 It keeps me grounded.
01:07:15.000 It keeps me humble. 0.98
01:07:16.000 That way when I go out in the fight and you know I'm on this super high and you know if I lose my title and I come back to Seattle and they're like, you got your ass up. 0.97
01:07:23.000 I was like, yeah, I did. 0.98
01:07:24.000 I lost. 0.99
01:07:25.000 It fucking happens, my friend. 1.00
01:07:27.000 It's called sports competitiveness. 0.99
01:07:30.000 I don't know if that's a word or not, but I just made it up.
01:07:31.000 Yes, competitiveness is a word.
01:07:33.000 Good, good, good, good.
01:07:34.000 I don't know about that other one though.
01:07:35.000 What was the other one?
01:07:37.000 I don't even know what it was.
01:07:38.000 Physicality is a word.
01:07:41.000 Physically?
01:07:41.000 Physically, there it is.
01:07:42.000 Hey, see, you're going to use it.
01:07:44.000 You'll be like, Joe Rogan, what are you about to say?
01:07:46.000 Physically, I feel like he dominated.
01:07:50.000 Exactly.
01:07:50.000 If it was a physically contest.
01:07:52.000 Yeah.
01:07:53.000 Hey, you know what?
01:07:54.000 So that just keeps me grounded.
01:07:55.000 It keeps me humble.
01:07:56.000 Well, that's a very good attitude.
01:07:58.000 It's a very healthy attitude to take.
01:07:59.000 And I think when the highs are very high, the lows, you know, when you don't get those highs, the lows are devastating.
01:08:06.000 Absolutely.
01:08:07.000 I think you see it a lot.
01:08:08.000 I try to learn from the champions of the past and even the present when they lose their belt.
01:08:15.000 I remember...
01:08:17.000 Carla Esparza, we're at a Welcome to the Show press conference.
01:08:23.000 And I see her, she's holding the belt like this because she just got it.
01:08:26.000 And I'm sitting there and they're about to square us off. 0.99
01:08:29.000 And the fucking UFC belt's heavy. 0.99
01:08:31.000 And they expect us to cure it everywhere, right? 0.99
01:08:33.000 I see people like Daniel Cormier.
01:08:35.000 He brings his belt around and shows it off.
01:08:38.000 Tim Sylvie used to go to bars with us.
01:08:39.000 Yeah, exactly, right?
01:08:41.000 I'm at the press conference. 1.00
01:08:42.000 I'm like, fuck this. 1.00
01:08:43.000 I just throw my belt. 1.00
01:08:44.000 And she's like...
01:08:45.000 I can't believe you did it.
01:08:46.000 I was like, honey, let me tell you something. 1.00
01:08:47.000 The first chance that Bell gets a chance to leave you, it's gonna leave your ass. 1.00
01:08:51.000 And sure enough, she lost to Jordan J-Jack, and I was like, ugh, I should have said it to her. 0.99
01:08:55.000 Well, that was a bad fight for her. 0.97
01:08:57.000 Yeah.
01:08:58.000 Because she won the title because she won The Ultimate Fighter.
01:09:00.000 And I love The Ultimate Fighter.
01:09:03.000 It's a fun show.
01:09:04.000 It's a great showcase for up-and-coming talent.
01:09:06.000 But the problem is...
01:09:09.000 There's just not enough talent.
01:09:12.000 Yeah.
01:09:13.000 And so a lot of the people that you see fight on The Ultimate Fighter, they really shouldn't be there.
01:09:18.000 Yeah.
01:09:18.000 I totally agree with you.
01:09:20.000 I totally agree with you. 0.99
01:09:20.000 I watch some of those guys and I'm like, oh fucking Christ, who let him on the show? 0.99
01:09:23.000 Dana? 0.99
01:09:24.000 No, just...
01:09:26.000 I don't know, man.
01:09:27.000 I'm not a promoter.
01:09:29.000 I'm the wrong guy for it.
01:09:30.000 I mean, I guess I kind of am in a way when I do those countdown shows and I hype things up.
01:09:34.000 I'm a hype man in a way.
01:09:35.000 No, no, no.
01:09:36.000 You're very knowledgeable in this sport.
01:09:37.000 That's why I respect your insight on fights and even Matt Hume does and even Brad Curtin does.
01:09:44.000 I think you're not giving yourself enough praise, my friend. 0.91
01:09:47.000 Listen, my job is pretty fucking easy. 0.99
01:09:49.000 I just watch shit and talk about it. 0.99
01:09:51.000 I don't even have to be in shape. 1.00
01:09:53.000 I don't have to get up early.
01:09:55.000 Fights don't start till 4. I've done the UFC hungover on multiple occasions in the past.
01:10:00.000 It's not hard.
01:10:01.000 Well, you do an amazing job breaking down the fight, and you're knowledgeable.
01:10:06.000 It's very hard to find knowledgeable people in this sport who break it down.
01:10:09.000 And you're one of them, and you have great charisma when you do it.
01:10:13.000 So when you bring up the perfect example about the Ultimate Fighter, how the talent there isn't there.
01:10:18.000 And that's the thing.
01:10:19.000 It's becoming more of a show to where it's like...
01:10:22.000 This guy's got hands. 0.98
01:10:23.000 I was like, bro, you take that boy into a fucking actual, like, legitimate fight, a guy who throws down the chamber who can mix it up, you're both gonna get fucking synced real fast. 0.94
01:10:32.000 That cash cow's gonna go, he's exciting. 0.94
01:10:33.000 Yes, absolutely, but mixed martial arts.
01:10:35.000 You think Bruce Lee was pushing the aspect of being excited and just getting awards?
01:10:42.000 No, he was trying to push that.
01:10:44.000 I'll take two to give one, bro.
01:10:46.000 Yeah, exactly, to where he's gonna use his technical ability to beat you and be finessed about it.
01:10:54.000 Well, ultimately, the way I always describe MMA is that what it is is high-level problem-solving with dire physical consequences.
01:11:04.000 The best guys are guys like you that don't take on those physical consequences.
01:11:08.000 You solve the problem and you do damage.
01:11:12.000 Like at the end of the fight, Dotson was busted up.
01:11:14.000 His face was all swollen.
01:11:16.000 You look fine. 1.00
01:11:18.000 Pretty than a motherfucker, please? 1.00
01:11:19.000 Yes, exactly. 1.00
01:11:20.000 That's what he said.
01:11:21.000 You solve the problem.
01:11:22.000 I mean, and it's a very complex problem, and it's so difficult to do because it's improvisational.
01:11:28.000 You're dealing with incredibly fast people, especially your weight class.
01:11:32.000 You're dealing with the fastest people in all of MMA, and you're dealing with all these different possibilities.
01:11:38.000 There's so many variables.
01:11:40.000 There's takedowns and kicks.
01:11:42.000 Punches and elbows and clinches, and you don't know what he's gonna do while you're trying to do what you're gonna do.
01:11:47.000 You're trying to push the pace, and you gotta cut angles, and you gotta get the fuck away from them, and you have to have all this knowledge in your head of what to do.
01:11:55.000 Oh, he's doing this, that means that's coming next, I'm not gonna be there. 1.00
01:11:58.000 Fuck that. 1.00
01:12:01.000 It's like you have to have a fucking just gigantic database of knowledge. 1.00
01:12:06.000 It's not easy, I'll tell you that right now. 0.99
01:12:09.000 So when you see these guys fight on Tough, and they're like, I'm gonna go out there and I'm gonna bang, like, oh god, you're like, this is white belt shit. 1.00
01:12:16.000 Who was it? 0.89
01:12:17.000 A guy, he fought Juicy J, and he was like, and he ended up on...
01:12:25.000 The UC Tonight show.
01:12:27.000 And he was sitting there and he was like, yeah, you know, I don't like the lighter guys.
01:12:29.000 They just...
01:12:30.000 They don't do it for me.
01:12:32.000 They just do this.
01:12:33.000 And he goes, I like to bang it out.
01:12:34.000 And I was sitting there in my couch.
01:12:35.000 I was like... 0.98
01:12:36.000 Well, my friend, you're going to have a very fucking short career. 0.96
01:12:38.000 And a really weird end of your life. 0.99
01:12:41.000 Yeah.
01:12:41.000 You don't know where your keys are.
01:12:43.000 You don't know who your wife is.
01:12:44.000 Exactly.
01:12:45.000 Is this my house?
01:12:45.000 I'm not sure.
01:12:46.000 Let me in!
01:12:47.000 And you know what?
01:12:47.000 At the end of the day, I would be like, you know what?
01:12:49.000 You might bonus maybe ten times.
01:12:52.000 You might make more money than me at the end of the day just because you went out there and you sold shitload tickets and you got fighting every single night and all that stuff.
01:12:59.000 But you know what?
01:13:00.000 I want people to, you know, when I die and they look, they dig up, you know, Old DVD tapes and they see, they stumble across me and they see me moving.
01:13:09.000 I was like, oh, I want them to be able to sit there. 0.94
01:13:11.000 I'm like, holy shit, this guy's moving fast. 0.98
01:13:13.000 He's on the other side of the opponent. 0.96
01:13:15.000 He's on the other side of the shoulder and he's landing combinations. 0.99
01:13:18.000 Holy shit, he can wrestle too? 1.00
01:13:20.000 Did he just throw a fucking arm bar? 1.00
01:13:22.000 I'm like, who is this person? 0.99
01:13:24.000 What was his background?
01:13:25.000 Like, you look at Matt Hume and you try to find out, who was Matt Hume's coach?
01:13:30.000 Who was Matt Hume's coach?
01:13:31.000 I don't know.
01:13:32.000 I honestly don't know.
01:13:33.000 I'm a Matt Hume fan.
01:13:33.000 I don't even know who his coach is.
01:13:34.000 Exactly.
01:13:36.000 I know one of his coaches, but he's a great wrestler.
01:13:41.000 He has a very long sync kickboxing.
01:13:45.000 When you look at that stuff, and you look how good he fought when he fought...
01:13:49.000 Not Pat Miletic.
01:13:50.000 What's this guy?
01:13:52.000 Josh Burnett's coaching now.
01:13:54.000 Eric Paulson?
01:13:55.000 Eric Paulson.
01:13:55.000 That fight.
01:13:56.000 And Matt Hume, self-consciously, he tells all the time, he goes, I had to cut him.
01:14:00.000 I knew he was not going to stop because I hit him so hard that I knew self-consciously I needed to cut this man to have this man stop coming at me.
01:14:08.000 And sure enough, he did the knee, cut him right there, and they're like, oh, back in the day, they cut when there was blood because they didn't have control of all the...
01:14:15.000 Athletic commission.
01:14:16.000 The athletic commission and the diseases and stuff.
01:14:18.000 And they're like, oh, the fight's done.
01:14:19.000 And I was like, good.
01:14:21.000 He's finished. 0.98
01:14:21.000 And I want people to look back in my career and be like, this guy was fucking good. 0.98
01:14:25.000 He can do it all. 0.96
01:14:26.000 And so when he said that, when he goes, I just don't like the little guys.
01:14:29.000 They just don't do it.
01:14:29.000 I'm like...
01:14:31.000 Whatever, bro. 1.00
01:14:32.000 Well, people like to say stupid shit like that, but there's also people that are just dumb. 1.00
01:14:35.000 There's people that are like, you know, I don't like fine cuisine. 1.00
01:14:37.000 I like McDonald's.
01:14:39.000 There's a lot of people that love McDonald's fries.
01:14:41.000 It's my favorite food, bro. 1.00
01:14:42.000 I like fucking Big Macs and fries. 1.00
01:14:45.000 I like to hit my head against the wall. 1.00
01:14:47.000 There's just always going to be people that have shitty taste. 1.00
01:14:50.000 Yep, absolutely. 1.00
01:14:52.000 You, my friend, have shitty taste. 1.00
01:14:55.000 That's what you have. 1.00
01:14:55.000 I mean, it's true. 1.00
01:14:56.000 I mean, if you can't appreciate a virtuoso at the most dangerous sport, you can't appreciate that because, you know, you just want guys to stand and bang. 0.95
01:15:05.000 That's ridiculous. 0.72
01:15:06.000 And don't get me wrong, I can bang. 0.97
01:15:08.000 Like, if I needed to bang and fight and drag it out, I can absolutely do that.
01:15:12.000 Am I going to appreciate it the next day?
01:15:15.000 Absolutely not, because I've done it and I'm like...
01:15:18.000 What day is it, babe?
01:15:19.000 It never got that worse.
01:15:21.000 I should have never said that. 0.99
01:15:22.000 But there's times where I'm like, you know, I'm like, babe, can you come wash my ass? 0.98
01:15:25.000 I can't, you know, because I've had surgery multiple times in my right hand. 0.98
01:15:30.000 I've had, you know, labrum surgery.
01:15:32.000 And that's just from wearing a tear and hitting the opponent the wrong way and hitting him under the skull.
01:15:37.000 Mm-hmm. 1.00
01:15:38.000 It sucks. 1.00
01:15:38.000 It sucks to be in a cast. 1.00
01:15:40.000 Like, I remember Cub Swanson.
01:15:41.000 I remember he told me that he's broken his jaw multiple times.
01:15:44.000 Yeah.
01:15:44.000 And after, I think it was the Freak Ager fight.
01:15:46.000 Max Holloway, he broke his jaw in that fight, too.
01:15:49.000 I remember the Freak Ager fight, and he was like, you know, I wasn't even going out. 1.00
01:15:53.000 I mean, the choke in the end, I was like, you know what?
01:15:55.000 I had a broken jaw before. 0.98
01:15:57.000 I don't want it again, so I fucking tapped. 0.96
01:15:59.000 And I was like, dude, kudos to you, my friend. 0.98
01:16:01.000 You don't have to worry about having your jaw wired shut for six months because you don't want to tap.
01:16:06.000 I think until you finished Horiguchi, that was the latest stoppage by submission ever.
01:16:11.000 Yep. 0.98
01:16:12.000 Yeah, I think, but you got, I mean, how the fuck is anybody going to beat yours? 0.98
01:16:15.000 That's one second. 0.98
01:16:16.000 Unless they go six rounds.
01:16:18.000 I'm not going to lie, each time it goes five fives, and they're like, oh, and I hear the clapping, and I hear people, and they start running, I'm like, No. 1.00
01:16:25.000 Don't you do it, you fuck! 1.00
01:16:28.000 I'm like, that was a great fight, right? 1.00
01:16:31.000 It's a good fight.
01:16:32.000 You know, when you see boxing and boxing, which is not nearly as exhausting as MMA, but they fight three minutes.
01:16:39.000 And then MMA fights five minutes.
01:16:41.000 Like, what do you think about that?
01:16:43.000 It's definitely different because we have a boxer in our gym and he just likes boxing.
01:16:47.000 I'm like, dude, you should come to mixed martial arts.
01:16:49.000 Your hands are that good, but he can't wrestle or anything like that.
01:16:52.000 And the stamina he has to throw so many punches when we spar, it's incredible.
01:16:58.000 But when he hits me, it's totally different because when I hit him, I'm hitting him with my body instead of him just like pop, pop.
01:17:04.000 It's not the same.
01:17:06.000 So he's an amateur boxer?
01:17:07.000 He's an amateur boxer.
01:17:08.000 So he's trying to score.
01:17:09.000 I mean, he's trying to finish, but when I hit, I'm hitting with my body.
01:17:12.000 I'm already did that sports science, like who hits harder, a boxer or an MMA fighter, to regenerate from our legs.
01:17:17.000 They are too, but we're trying to...
01:17:20.000 It's just different.
01:17:21.000 So when I'm sparring him, I'm sparring him like a mixed martial artist.
01:17:26.000 I'm moving my legs.
01:17:27.000 I'm switching.
01:17:28.000 I'm about to throw a kick.
01:17:29.000 I'm loading my hips up.
01:17:30.000 It's hard for me to break that habit because I'm trained that way.
01:17:33.000 When I came into mixed martial arts, it wasn't like, hey, you're going to learn how to box.
01:17:36.000 Hi, I'm your boxing coach.
01:17:37.000 Hey, hey, Joey Garcias.
01:17:39.000 I'm your jiu-jitsu coach.
01:17:40.000 Hey, I'm Silva.
01:17:42.000 Or, hey, I'm your Muay Thai coach.
01:17:43.000 It was like...
01:17:44.000 I'm Matt Hume.
01:17:46.000 Well, you got real lucky in that regard.
01:17:47.000 Real lucky.
01:17:48.000 Yeah.
01:17:48.000 There's not a lot of guys out there that are qualified to do that.
01:17:51.000 That all-encompassing game plan guy.
01:17:54.000 Yeah, and so now when I do my boxing sparring, it's harder for me to do it because I can do it and I can get the upper edge, but it's like, I'm getting fucking tired because we're boxing and I'm just throwing punches.
01:18:04.000 I need to throw some kicks.
01:18:06.000 Right.
01:18:06.000 To mix it up.
01:18:07.000 To mix it up.
01:18:07.000 I need to get you in my clinch, too.
01:18:09.000 Right.
01:18:09.000 And so, it's hard, but...
01:18:11.000 I mean, three rounds...
01:18:12.000 I mean, three minute...
01:18:14.000 How many rounds did they go?
01:18:14.000 Twelve rounds?
01:18:15.000 In a world title fight.
01:18:16.000 World title fight?
01:18:17.000 That's a lot of rounds.
01:18:18.000 I mean...
01:18:18.000 It is.
01:18:19.000 It's a lot of rounds.
01:18:20.000 It is definitely a lot of rounds, but it's interesting that they only fight three minutes, and it's not nearly as tiring, you know, as MMA. Yeah.
01:18:26.000 Yeah, you see guys come out of the corner, you know, Floyd would sit down and he goes...
01:18:29.000 I love you, Dad.
01:18:30.000 Remember everything you taught me, you know?
01:18:32.000 He's the best at not getting hit ever in the history of boxing.
01:18:37.000 That's the name of the game.
01:18:38.000 That's the name of the game in Mixed Match Arts 2. Hit and not to be hit.
01:18:41.000 Submit somebody and not to be submitted. 0.99
01:18:45.000 When somebody's idea was like, I need to get fucking hit to be exciting. 0.69
01:18:49.000 Well, I think it came from The Ultimate Fighter. 0.98
01:18:51.000 It came from Forrest Griffin and Stefan Bonner. 0.98
01:18:53.000 That fucking fight was awesome, but not for either one of those guys. 0.99
01:18:58.000 Yeah! 0.99
01:18:59.000 I mean, Forrest is broken up right now.
01:19:01.000 I mean, his body's a mess.
01:19:03.000 He had a wild, crazy, exciting career, but ultimately, you can't use your body like a battering ram. 0.99
01:19:10.000 Like, if you have a car, and it's an awesome race car, but you want to enter a demolition derby with it, that fucking car's not going to last. 0.96
01:19:16.000 No, it's not. 0.97
01:19:17.000 It's just, there's no way around it.
01:19:18.000 There's no way around it.
01:19:20.000 And I think...
01:19:22.000 I think a lot of people are seeing the alternate fighter and they're getting that view of this is what...
01:19:28.000 Somebody the other day said the alternate fighter is digressing this sport.
01:19:32.000 And I was like...
01:19:32.000 Wow, who said that?
01:19:33.000 I'm not going to give you his name.
01:19:34.000 Pass that bottle opener, man.
01:19:36.000 Oh, yeah, of course.
01:19:37.000 Thank you.
01:19:39.000 He said that the alternate fighter is digressing.
01:19:42.000 Want another one of these?
01:19:43.000 I mean, finish this.
01:19:45.000 We're in such deep thought and conversation.
01:19:47.000 I can't even...
01:19:48.000 Extremely deep.
01:19:49.000 But he said that Ultimate Fighter is degressing the sport.
01:19:52.000 And I was like, really?
01:19:54.000 I was like...
01:19:56.000 Is that a word?
01:19:56.000 Digress?
01:19:57.000 I'm not sure that's a word.
01:20:00.000 It's degressing.
01:20:01.000 It's degressing, okay?
01:20:02.000 Digressing?
01:20:02.000 Is that a word even?
01:20:02.000 It's going behind...
01:20:03.000 Yes, it's a goddamn word. 0.99
01:20:04.000 Regressing. 1.00
01:20:05.000 Okay.
01:20:05.000 Regressing.
01:20:06.000 Regressing.
01:20:06.000 Is degressing a word?
01:20:07.000 Jimmy, look that shit up. 0.99
01:20:08.000 Google it, my friend. 1.00
01:20:09.000 Digress?
01:20:10.000 Digress?
01:20:11.000 Well, the sport is...
01:20:13.000 I understand exactly what you're saying.
01:20:14.000 Well, then there you go. 0.99
01:20:15.000 So it is a word then, damn it. 0.99
01:20:17.000 Well, physicality-wise, no. 0.99
01:20:20.000 Physically...
01:20:20.000 Degression.
01:20:22.000 Degression is a word.
01:20:22.000 Okay.
01:20:23.000 Well, I just do a little mighty spice into it.
01:20:25.000 I get it.
01:20:26.000 Mighty spice.
01:20:27.000 It's degression.
01:20:29.000 It's going backwards.
01:20:30.000 And people are like, and I said, and I was all ears.
01:20:33.000 I was like, explain yourself.
01:20:34.000 Like, what makes you say that?
01:20:35.000 And he goes, well, you think people are being on national television and on Ultimate Fighter and they're fighting to get a contract and they have holes in their game.
01:20:45.000 And they're not fixing those holes before going into the house.
01:20:49.000 That was one of the things I would have a hard time coaching with a fighter because I'll dissect a person and I'm like, okay, let me see you fight.
01:20:58.000 I'm going to go with you.
01:20:59.000 And I'm like, okay, you have a hole here, a hole here.
01:21:01.000 So are you looking just to fight to make two paychecks, three paychecks?
01:21:05.000 If so, then I guess you're in the right area. 0.54
01:21:09.000 But if you're looking to be a world champion, if you're looking to be able to provide for your family, I mean, I always tell you all the time, when I was in the UFC, when I fought for the world championship at 135, I also worked on a fucking full-time job.
01:21:19.000 And they're like, you're fighting for a world championship, you shouldn't be working.
01:21:22.000 I was like, uh, yeah, because I've lost a fight, so now I made, what, $14,000.
01:21:30.000 Is that what you made to fight for the world title at 135?
01:21:33.000 Yes.
01:21:34.000 Well, it's all public record. 1.00
01:21:36.000 Goddamn. 0.99
01:21:37.000 That's depressing. 0.99
01:21:38.000 So that's why I was still working.
01:21:40.000 Even when I fought Kei Yamamoto.
01:21:41.000 I mean, I made my money and then I was like, okay.
01:21:44.000 Every single fight I had in UFC up to the Dominant Cruz fight...
01:21:48.000 When I broke my leg at Miguel Torres, I was like, I was in Vegas.
01:21:51.000 It was almost like a vacation for me, you know?
01:21:53.000 When Matwell called me and goes, hey, the UFC wants to know if you want to fight Killian Munoz.
01:21:58.000 I was like, I'm like, can I call you right back?
01:22:01.000 I need to call work to see if I get the day off, please.
01:22:03.000 Wow.
01:22:03.000 And I would call my boss, Pete Bohocke, and I'm like, hey, so the UFC called.
01:22:07.000 They want to know.
01:22:08.000 What was your job?
01:22:08.000 What were you doing for a living?
01:22:10.000 I work in a paper mill construction.
01:22:12.000 So we built basically sonic tubes.
01:22:15.000 And we also built v-boards.
01:22:16.000 So if this microphone came to you and it was in protection, it would be like a v-board that would protect it.
01:22:23.000 And that's what I was a guy who made it.
01:22:26.000 And let's say you needed two and a half inches or three inches, four inches, five inches, whatever.
01:22:29.000 I would take it, do the math, put it in the computer and sit there and it would go.
01:22:34.000 And I'll go.
01:22:35.000 One.
01:22:36.000 One, two, three, four.
01:22:38.000 Okay, there's ten.
01:22:39.000 There you go.
01:22:40.000 And do that all day.
01:22:41.000 And now I have my phone on me and Matt will call me and go, hey, the UFC wants to know if you want to fight.
01:22:44.000 I'm like, I'll run into the bathroom and like, hey, what's up, man?
01:22:47.000 He goes, hey, you know, the UFC wants you to fight Kimamoto on February 5th, my debut in the UFC, 2011. I said, hey, let me see if I can day off from work.
01:22:55.000 I'll go into my office and I'll say, hey, Pete.
01:22:57.000 What's going on?
01:22:57.000 He goes, what's up, DJ? And I'm like, hey, do you think I can have a week off to go fight in Vegas?
01:23:02.000 He goes, yeah, let me see if I can work it out.
01:23:04.000 And then I'm like, all right.
01:23:05.000 And I'll come out and say, hey, don't say yes.
01:23:08.000 I don't know yet, okay?
01:23:09.000 And he goes, all right, well, just let me know, okay?
01:23:11.000 And then sure enough, my boss goes, yeah, you get a week off.
01:23:13.000 And I'm like, hey, I can go.
01:23:14.000 And he goes, all right, I'll let Sean show me know you can fight.
01:23:16.000 That's how it was.
01:23:17.000 Are you still friends with your boss?
01:23:18.000 No.
01:23:18.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:23:19.000 We still hang out all the time.
01:23:20.000 He must be happy.
01:23:20.000 Oh, yeah.
01:23:21.000 Now.
01:23:21.000 Well, he said he would fire me before I quit fighting and doing my real job.
01:23:26.000 Because in reality, that's what's paying my fucking bills. 0.99
01:23:28.000 That check was coming every single week. 0.99
01:23:30.000 It was keeping the lights on.
01:23:31.000 Fighting was not.
01:23:32.000 So that's why I tell kids all the time, like, Man, I want to be just like you.
01:23:34.000 I was like, no, my friend, be better than me.
01:23:36.000 Go to college, get education.
01:23:38.000 Don't try to put yourself in a boat to where this is all you have to do.
01:23:41.000 You need to have, you know, now it's worked out for me where I'm starting to, you know, branch out and try to do other things.
01:23:47.000 But that's how the reality was.
01:23:49.000 And so that's why I worked full time.
01:23:51.000 Well, a lot of people believe that if you have a safety net, you will fall.
01:23:54.000 A lot of people think that it's best to not have anything to back up on.
01:23:59.000 No, no, no. 0.99
01:23:59.000 You need a fucking safety net in this sport. 0.99
01:24:02.000 Even in football, you see it all the time. 1.00
01:24:06.000 Let's take a good example.
01:24:08.000 Colin Kaepernick.
01:24:09.000 He started out amazing.
01:24:10.000 At one point in time, him and Russell were considered...
01:24:12.000 I don't know who he is.
01:24:14.000 Colin Kaepernick, he's the San Francisco 49ers quarterback.
01:24:17.000 Very fast.
01:24:19.000 At one point in time in his career, he was talked about the greats with Russell Wilson.
01:24:24.000 You know who that is, right?
01:24:25.000 I don't know anybody.
01:24:27.000 The only way I know of a football player is if they get arrested.
01:24:30.000 Oh, okay.
01:24:30.000 Well, unfortunately, so that's totally fine.
01:24:32.000 Or they become so famous, like they somehow or another surpass the sport.
01:24:38.000 You know what I mean?
01:24:40.000 So a good example...
01:24:42.000 They have to eclipse the sport.
01:24:43.000 They have to be like, you have to be like an Allen Iverson for me to know who you are.
01:24:48.000 Or Kobe Bryant. 0.98
01:24:49.000 So, damn, it's so hard to use it. 0.98
01:24:51.000 So basically, this guy, he was really good at one point in his career. 0.99
01:24:55.000 He was fucking killing it, running fast, outrunning people trying to get him down. 0.60
01:24:59.000 And then now, he's not doing as well. 0.99
01:25:02.000 And so, let's say he made his money in the NFL. And let's say he's done.
01:25:07.000 They cut him.
01:25:07.000 You're done.
01:25:09.000 And he didn't have a college education.
01:25:11.000 And he wasn't smart with his money. 0.56
01:25:13.000 He would basically become a bum if he wasn't smart with his money.
01:25:15.000 So that's why I always tell people it's good to come into mixed martial arts with a great college education or something.
01:25:21.000 Because 9 out of 10 times, it might not work out for you.
01:25:25.000 And that's why I like to tell people that.
01:25:27.000 People, they get discouraged.
01:25:28.000 And my promoters are like, dude, you need to say that you want to be like Demetri Johnson.
01:25:34.000 You want to fight like me?
01:25:35.000 Absolutely.
01:25:35.000 But you want to make sure you have a college education.
01:25:38.000 It's something to fall back on.
01:25:39.000 And that's what Matt told me.
01:25:40.000 When I lost the title to Dominic Cruz, He's like, I think it might be time for you to go to school, get your education.
01:25:45.000 And I said, man, I'm going to tell you straight up, bro. 0.98
01:25:47.000 I'll fucking die in a warehouse if I go back to school. 0.99
01:25:49.000 And he goes, all right. 1.00
01:25:51.000 As long as we're clear with that because...
01:25:53.000 You'll die in a warehouse if you go back to school? 0.89
01:25:55.000 No, I'd rather die in a warehouse than go back to school. 0.99
01:25:56.000 Oh, you'd rather die in a warehouse than go back to school.
01:25:59.000 Because school wasn't my thing.
01:26:00.000 I just didn't like school.
01:26:01.000 I believe in that if I put 10 years in this job, that I should be well compensated.
01:26:07.000 And you can spend four or five years in a college education, get your college degree, and you go out and try to find a job, and they're like, no, you're not...
01:26:15.000 I like the Starbucks effect.
01:26:17.000 The Starbucks thing.
01:26:18.000 Have you heard it?
01:26:19.000 No. 0.98
01:26:20.000 Tell shitty coffee and push out local shops? 0.97
01:26:24.000 Is that the idea? 0.99
01:26:25.000 No, no, no.
01:26:25.000 So it's like, if me and you both went to a Starbucks, and if me and you applied for a job, and you're like, I'm Joe Rogan, I had 15 years as a barista, I know how to make coffee from your cappuccino to the triple shop or whatever, and I'm like, I have no coffee experience whatsoever.
01:26:41.000 They're like, I'm going to take you, Demetri Johnson.
01:26:43.000 And people are like, what?
01:26:44.000 You take Joe Rogan, he has 15 years. 0.99
01:26:45.000 And it's like, well, I have to break his fucking bad habits. 0.99
01:26:48.000 He's not making Starbucks coffee. 0.99
01:26:49.000 He's not making Starbucks coffee the way I want it to taste. 1.00
01:26:51.000 What fucking habits are you going to have to break? 0.99
01:26:55.000 I'm not talking about brain surgery here, people. 1.00
01:26:57.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00
01:26:58.000 Make me a fucking latte, you freak. 1.00
01:27:02.000 But that's the Starbucks effect, and I believe in that. 0.99
01:27:04.000 I believe that if a person puts his time in, that he should be well compensated to where that's not how it is in the world nowadays.
01:27:12.000 I see what you're saying.
01:27:13.000 I see what you're saying.
01:27:14.000 So for you, the idea of going to school and putting in all that effort without a definite reward just wasn't exciting.
01:27:22.000 At my time and day, yes.
01:27:23.000 Right, but what if there was something that you wanted to do that you had to get educated in?
01:27:28.000 Like, say, if you wanted to be a journalist, for instance, or an engineer, where you literally had to get an education.
01:27:35.000 Yeah, if it was the point in time, and it seemed interesting to me, then I would have done it.
01:27:40.000 But, like, I went to school, and when I was in high school, I was doing architectural drawing.
01:27:45.000 I drew up Floor plans.
01:27:46.000 If I see a floor plan, I can see the foundation and the J-plate and all that stuff.
01:27:51.000 And I was good on it.
01:27:53.000 You know what my final was for that class?
01:27:54.000 I built a strip club.
01:27:55.000 I call it chicken strips, my friend.
01:27:57.000 Chicken strips?
01:27:57.000 Chicken strips.
01:27:58.000 Why chicken strips?
01:27:59.000 You get all the chicken strips you want and get lat dance at the same time.
01:28:02.000 So free chicken strips?
01:28:03.000 No, no, no. 1.00
01:28:04.000 Shit ain't free. 1.00
01:28:05.000 You gotta pay for that. 1.00
01:28:05.000 Okay, you pay for the chicken strips, but all you can eat. 1.00
01:28:07.000 Oh, you can eat chicken strips.
01:28:09.000 And I had a strip club.
01:28:11.000 I had the poles right there.
01:28:12.000 Does it have its own slaughterhouse connected to it where you get your chicken?
01:28:15.000 No.
01:28:15.000 No.
01:28:17.000 That's the next move.
01:28:19.000 No, but that was my thing.
01:28:21.000 That was kind of like my niche.
01:28:22.000 I love drawing up floor plans.
01:28:25.000 For strip clubs?
01:28:26.000 No, that was the final.
01:28:27.000 I understand.
01:28:29.000 If I make millions of dollars, if Conor McGregor, he might want to invest in this, it could blow the roof off with it.
01:28:34.000 What year was this?
01:28:35.000 This was in 2005. I think today you probably wouldn't be able to do that in college because the social justice warriors would come down on you for wanting to subjugate women in your horrible establishment. 1.00
01:28:47.000 Oh, the patriarchy continues.
01:28:49.000 Demetrius Johnson wants to keep women prisoner.
01:28:52.000 No, no, no, no, no.
01:28:53.000 They get to go home.
01:28:54.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1.00
01:28:56.000 Show your pussy all day for daddy and then you can go home. 1.00
01:28:58.000 I see what's up. 1.00
01:28:59.000 I see how you work it.
01:29:01.000 It was very comfortable, okay?
01:29:03.000 It was a comfortable environment with free chicken, or a lot of chicken.
01:29:07.000 Absolutely.
01:29:08.000 So, what's the piece of paper, man?
01:29:09.000 What do you got here?
01:29:10.000 Alright, here we go.
01:29:10.000 So, obviously, one of the new things I've been doing is I stream on Twitch now, and...
01:29:15.000 You stream your video games, right?
01:29:18.000 So...
01:29:18.000 You used to have a contract with Xbox One until Reebok came along and fucked everything up.
01:29:25.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:29:25.000 So, yeah, that was going on.
01:29:29.000 Obviously, then the Reebok deal came in, so we obviously...
01:29:33.000 Xbox they didn't want to be part of you know there's they wanted that prime spot right on pay-per-view or even Fox they actually preferred Fox over pay-per-view because millions millions people millions people so when I came in they're like you know my buddy was like I think this comes across where my friend I was like dude I totally understand so that's that's when they left but I'm still cool the guy I actually just talked to him he's actually be down here tonight possibly so did you see the latest Reebok fuck up They made Anderson Aldo t-shirts and they wrote Anthony Pettis
01:30:03.000 his nickname as the Mauler. 0.99
01:30:04.000 Are you serious?
01:30:05.000 Yes!
01:30:05.000 I swear to God it feels like someone inside of Reebok is trying to sabotage the company.
01:30:11.000 It's so retarded. 1.00
01:30:12.000 The mistakes are so frequent and so bad. 0.93
01:30:15.000 The misspellings of the names over and over and over again. 1.00
01:30:18.000 It's like, do you have a single person that's paying attention to that shit? 0.99
01:30:22.000 There's a lot of people, but I understand they could have one person like, your job is to make sure before the product goes out, you check the fucking name. 0.99
01:30:28.000 Who the fuck is the guy that said yes to any of those shirts? 0.99
01:30:30.000 How about that guy? 0.99
01:30:31.000 Who's that guy?
01:30:32.000 Who's that guy that looked at those kids?
01:30:34.000 Who's the guy that told them they should wear white shorts? 0.99
01:30:37.000 Do you know there's blood and dirt and all kinds of shit? 0.99
01:30:40.000 Hey, that's why I rock the block, my friend. 1.00
01:30:41.000 Black and gold.
01:30:42.000 That's a good move.
01:30:42.000 Yeah, it is.
01:30:42.000 It's a very good move.
01:30:44.000 But the whole thing, so yeah, that happened with the Xbox.
01:30:46.000 The shitty design, all of the above, right?
01:30:49.000 It happens to me. 1.00
01:30:50.000 God damn it. 0.98
01:30:52.000 But then when it came to the Xbox deal, that kind of fell out, and then the Reebok deal came. 0.99
01:30:57.000 And so, now that I'm in, I feel like I'm in this point in my career to where people are like, man, you should make your shirt, you should do this.
01:31:04.000 Right.
01:31:05.000 I like that shirt.
01:31:06.000 Is that a Mighty Mouse shirt?
01:31:07.000 This is the first Mighty Mouse shirt I've ever done in my hotel life.
01:31:09.000 That's dope. 0.93
01:31:10.000 I like it. 1.00
01:31:10.000 Can I get one of them bitches in a large? 1.00
01:31:12.000 Absolutely you can. 0.99
01:31:13.000 Or an XL? They're in production right now, so we'll take care of you.
01:31:16.000 Please, send it.
01:31:18.000 But now I feel like I'm at a point in my career to where a lot of people say, oh, he's boring.
01:31:22.000 He doesn't open himself up to the fans.
01:31:25.000 So I was like, you know what?
01:31:26.000 All right.
01:31:27.000 I started streaming a couple times on Twitch and then things went well with Twitch.
01:31:31.000 And so now when people are like, oh, you don't open up your stuff for fans.
01:31:34.000 I'm like, bro, I post on Twitter. 0.93
01:31:36.000 Will you come ask me any fucking question you want live on Twitch and we can talk. 0.98
01:31:40.000 You can make money on Twitch, right? 1.00
01:31:41.000 Absolutely, you can.
01:31:42.000 If you get enough subscribers and you get enough followers...
01:31:45.000 What is your Twitch handle so we can get you some subscribers?
01:31:47.000 My Twitch handle is MightyMouseUFC125.
01:31:51.000 Pretty simple.
01:31:52.000 Yeah, pretty simple.
01:31:52.000 So that's it.
01:31:53.000 But if you don't know how to do it, it's www.twitch.tv slash MightyMouseUFC125.
01:32:00.000 So that's kind of like my side gig.
01:32:02.000 I like to do, interact with my fans, because I've always played video games in between training sessions.
01:32:08.000 Lead up to the Dotson fight, second Dotson fight.
01:32:11.000 What's your game?
01:32:11.000 What do you play?
01:32:12.000 I play all types of shit. 1.00
01:32:13.000 I play Dark Souls 2, I play Dota 2, I play... 1.00
01:32:16.000 Dota?
01:32:17.000 Dota 2. It's a MOBA. It's a mostly online battle arena.
01:32:21.000 Oh Christ. 0.98
01:32:22.000 It's fucking weird. 0.97
01:32:24.000 Because when I found Twitch, I was rocking my son to sleep and I was like, this is good. 0.98
01:32:29.000 I was like, I want to watch TV. I want to watch video games.
01:32:30.000 And I started reading.
01:32:31.000 I was like, I watch video games while walking my son to sleep.
01:32:34.000 I'm like, okay.
01:32:35.000 Now I start watching people play video games and that's how I fall into it.
01:32:37.000 It's oddly enjoyable watching people play video games.
01:32:39.000 You know what?
01:32:39.000 I'm not going to lie.
01:32:40.000 It is.
01:32:40.000 It is.
01:32:41.000 It is.
01:32:42.000 I used to watch people play Quake all the time.
01:32:44.000 I loved it.
01:32:44.000 Yeah.
01:32:45.000 You see?
01:32:45.000 I mean, I think it's it.
01:32:47.000 Taste.
01:32:47.000 You have to have a taste for it.
01:32:49.000 Yes.
01:32:49.000 But this is from the Mighty Squad.
01:32:51.000 My boys, the Mighty Squad.
01:32:53.000 Okay.
01:32:54.000 My subscribers, I like to give them perks to be able to ask the wonderful Joe Rogan certain questions.
01:32:59.000 So we already kind of hit on this already, but the first one was thoughts on the IV band.
01:33:05.000 You gave your perspective of it already.
01:33:07.000 I don't like it, but I don't like people cutting too much weight either.
01:33:11.000 You know, I don't like either one.
01:33:13.000 I think you should be able to fight at your own weight.
01:33:15.000 I feel like...
01:33:16.000 What do you weigh now?
01:33:18.000 I weigh 141. What do you weigh when you're in perfect shape?
01:33:23.000 141. Okay.
01:33:24.000 I think that's what you should fight at.
01:33:27.000 And I think everybody should fight at the weight that they're in perfect shape.
01:33:30.000 I think the weight cut is contrary to what MMA and martial arts should be about in the first place.
01:33:36.000 It shouldn't be about having this...
01:33:38.000 It's like legal cheating.
01:33:41.000 It's really what it is.
01:33:42.000 It's like you're pretending you're 155 pounds when you're really 175. It really is like cheating.
01:33:49.000 I don't like it.
01:33:50.000 I think it's dangerous.
01:33:51.000 I think it's bad. 0.99
01:33:52.000 And I also think it's stupid because everyone's doing it. 1.00
01:33:54.000 That's what makes it stupid. 0.97
01:33:56.000 Because if you were the only one, if you really weighed 175 and you were cutting down to 155, and everybody else was just a natural 155-er, well, you'd have a crazy advantage because you get to balloon up to 175. But fucking everybody's doing it. 0.99
01:34:09.000 So there's zero advantage. 1.00
01:34:11.000 Everybody's just weakening themselves the day before they fight in a fucking cage. 1.00
01:34:15.000 To me, that is so counterintuitive and so stupid. 1.00
01:34:19.000 But I don't know how to stop it at this point in time. 1.00
01:34:21.000 I literally don't.
01:34:22.000 I don't think you can.
01:34:22.000 I think the only way to stop it is...
01:34:25.000 To tell fighters, tell everyone to get in shape and to have like a massive summit.
01:34:29.000 And you have a massive summit and you have everybody, have all the fighters.
01:34:34.000 You gotta pay them to do this too, by the way. 0.99
01:34:35.000 You should fucking pay them to do this. 0.98
01:34:37.000 Get everybody in shape. 1.00
01:34:39.000 Give them a paycheck.
01:34:40.000 Say, I want you guys to all come to Vegas.
01:34:41.000 We're going to measure your water.
01:34:43.000 We're going to measure your body fat.
01:34:45.000 We're going to measure your actual weight.
01:34:47.000 And champions, we're going to give you a pass. 0.99
01:34:49.000 We're going to give every champion.
01:34:51.000 But this is the pass.
01:34:53.000 You're the world title holder at 125. If you weigh 141, you still will go into that fight as the world flyweight champion.
01:35:03.000 And you will compete against people who are also naturally at that weight class.
01:35:08.000 And I assume it would be everybody in that weight class.
01:35:10.000 I assume it would be guys like Lineker and Ian McCall.
01:35:12.000 There would be a lot of guys that are very similar to you when they're at their optimum weight class.
01:35:17.000 You know, obviously between 5 and 6 pounds or whatever the hell the difference is.
01:35:22.000 Make the weight classes like that.
01:35:24.000 Yeah.
01:35:24.000 And take all these guys and whoever it is, like Weidman.
01:35:29.000 Weidman apparently is getting down in the 190s now.
01:35:32.000 Really?
01:35:32.000 That's what I do.
01:35:33.000 Eight weeks out, no booze.
01:35:34.000 Cleaned out, no boozing, cleaned up his diet, and he's been really light for this fight.
01:35:39.000 Apparently he cut out boozing at 93, 194, which is really crazy for a guy that has been well over 200 pounds.
01:35:46.000 Mm-hmm.
01:35:47.000 And I think that if this was done and done correctly where you really monitored people, made sure there was no cheating and say, look, you know, Tyron Woodley, this is the weight you should be fighting at.
01:35:58.000 Matt Brown, this is the weight you should be fighting at.
01:36:00.000 And much more weight classes.
01:36:03.000 Much more.
01:36:04.000 And I think they did that with high school wrestling because they did the hydration test cut.
01:36:10.000 And I think another thing they could do is, you know what?
01:36:12.000 You weigh in and you're fighting the same day.
01:36:14.000 The problem with that though is that guys are still going to cheat.
01:36:17.000 They're still going to cut weight. 0.98
01:36:17.000 They're going to get that ass whooped and then they're going to find out. 0.98
01:36:19.000 But they could die. 1.00
01:36:21.000 Well, I was going to say, that's their fucking fault. 1.00
01:36:23.000 But you know what? 1.00
01:36:24.000 It's simple.
01:36:24.000 It's simple.
01:36:25.000 It's like, when someone's like, oh, I didn't make it.
01:36:26.000 I was like, dude, as a fighter, we have two jobs. 0.98
01:36:28.000 Fucking make weight and fight. 0.94
01:36:30.000 If you can't do one of them, then you shouldn't be able to do the second one. 0.99
01:36:33.000 So that's why I'm like...
01:36:34.000 I agree with you.
01:36:35.000 I think if they did the hydration test, but I think a lot of people, if there was no money on the line, if you were still going to get paid, I think they would be more excited for that.
01:36:45.000 Yeah, I think that it's really counterintuitive to performance.
01:36:48.000 I think when you're asking guys to fight at their best, the idea of dehydrating the shit out of yourself the day before the fight. 0.92
01:36:55.000 Like, Conor, before he fought Chad Mendes, looked like an AIDS patient. 0.97
01:36:58.000 Oh, yeah.
01:36:59.000 He looked like a guy who had been on a ship floating in the ocean for a month, just eating his own toenails. 0.99
01:37:04.000 It looked fucking horrible. 1.00
01:37:06.000 He looked terrible. 0.99
01:37:06.000 I think that the best way to accomplish that would be to... 0.99
01:37:11.000 They have this UFC campus that they're building.
01:37:15.000 They need to have a comprehensive approach to stopping weight cutting in the sport.
01:37:21.000 And I think one of the best ways to do that is to give guys a lot more options.
01:37:25.000 And Dana doesn't want to do that. 1.00
01:37:26.000 He thinks the amount of champions they have is not.
01:37:30.000 Wholeheartedly disagree with that.
01:37:31.000 Well, I think they're going to come in more times of how many pay-per-views are going to sell, the money-wise, and all that stuff. 1.00
01:37:37.000 Fuck, man. 0.99
01:37:38.000 The pay-per-views are going to be good if the fights are good. 1.00
01:37:40.000 Oh, that's true.
01:37:41.000 Yeah, that's right.
01:37:42.000 When fights are good, pay-per-views are good.
01:37:43.000 But people like watching fights. 0.84
01:37:45.000 They don't give a fuck if there's, oh, it was all better when you had eight champions. 1.00
01:37:49.000 Just shut the fuck up. 1.00
01:37:50.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:37:51.000 It's good when there's fights.
01:37:52.000 The fights are good.
01:37:53.000 It doesn't matter what weight class. 1.00
01:37:56.000 When you have 85 to 205, you've got a fucking problem. 0.99
01:37:59.000 When you have 205 to 265, you've got a giant problem. 0.99
01:38:03.000 Those are two giant problems right there. 0.99
01:38:06.000 20 fucking pounds is 20 T-bone steaks. 0.99
01:38:09.000 Think about 20 T-bone steaks. 1.00
01:38:11.000 That's the difference between you and the next guy, whether you shrivel it out of your body or whether you pack it on your body.
01:38:17.000 That's crazy.
01:38:18.000 It's crazy.
01:38:19.000 This should be every 10 pounds minimum.
01:38:22.000 Minimum.
01:38:22.000 Is that how it's in boxing?
01:38:23.000 More! 0.72
01:38:24.000 7. Like 47 to 54. So there's there.
01:38:28.000 And then there's 54 to 60. That's another 6. There's 60 to 68. That's 8. You know?
01:38:33.000 They don't seem to have a problem making money.
01:38:35.000 68 to 75. That's 7. I mean, there's a lot of fucking weight classes in boxing, man.
01:38:39.000 Well, if that happened, I'd be a fucking two-time champ because I would go up and fight at like 130, what, 137, 138? 0.99
01:38:44.000 Yeah, and that would be healthy. 0.96
01:38:47.000 131, 132. And they would weigh you, they would check you, you would be healthy.
01:38:51.000 And I think there can be a way to cut it out of the sport, but I think extreme weight cutting was brought into the sport by wrestling.
01:38:59.000 And wrestling has figured out how to cut it down substantially.
01:39:03.000 I think MMA should try to do the same. 0.99
01:39:05.000 Yeah, wrestling and we're going to fucking play. 0.93
01:39:06.000 I remember one of my buddies, he was in high school and he goes, I'm doing my hydration test. 0.99
01:39:11.000 I'm going to super hydrate and I'm going to cut myself. 0.95
01:39:14.000 He went to the doctor and I'm like, nope, go back home and fucking come in hydrated and we'll let you know. 0.99
01:39:18.000 Then he came in and tested him. 0.98
01:39:19.000 I'm like, okay, you can lose three pounds and then you can lose...
01:39:23.000 Then you have to wrestle up a different weight class at the new year because you always get a pound allowance at the new year because they take into consideration of the holidays.
01:39:30.000 But I like your insight.
01:39:32.000 I agree with you.
01:39:32.000 All right, second question.
01:39:34.000 How long do you see yourself commentating for the UFC? I don't know.
01:39:38.000 I don't know.
01:39:40.000 I don't know.
01:39:40.000 My contract's up in August.
01:39:42.000 I might leave in August. 0.99
01:39:43.000 Oh, shit. 0.99
01:39:44.000 Yeah, it's possible. 1.00
01:39:44.000 I like doing shit that scares me. 1.00
01:39:48.000 He's all sitting here and goes, I'm your fucking friend of Conor McGregor, kill me right now! 0.99
01:39:53.000 No, I mean, I like doing stuff. 0.99
01:39:55.000 I like taking chances in that.
01:39:57.000 I like walking away from things.
01:39:58.000 I like doing that.
01:40:00.000 I like experiencing new things.
01:40:01.000 I think you open up new doors, your mind starts firing a different way. 0.98
01:40:05.000 I'm not a big fan of doing the same shit over and over and over again. 0.94
01:40:09.000 Like when I do stand-up comedy, I have to go to different places. 0.97
01:40:12.000 I have the comedy store that's my main spot, but I like to go to weird spots. 0.96
01:40:16.000 I'll do a weird open mic night in the middle of fucking nowhere. 0.90
01:40:20.000 I think it's really important. 0.96
01:40:22.000 I like to go to new places.
01:40:24.000 I like to travel.
01:40:25.000 I like to just get in my car and drive places.
01:40:29.000 Just get out of my car and walk around and check out places.
01:40:32.000 I think you've got to experience different things in life, and I like to plan those things out.
01:40:38.000 I've been doing the UFC for a long time.
01:40:40.000 I will never stop being a UFC fan.
01:40:43.000 That's not going to happen.
01:40:44.000 I love the sport.
01:40:46.000 But this is probably going to come a time where I don't do commentary anymore.
01:40:49.000 And it might be sooner than later.
01:40:50.000 Or I might not.
01:40:51.000 I mean, August might roll around and I might say, you know what, man? 0.93
01:40:53.000 I fucking love this. 0.93
01:40:54.000 Let's just keep doing this. 0.96
01:40:55.000 But I might not, too. 0.99
01:40:56.000 Shit, you might not show up to UFC 194. You might be like, fuck it, babe. 1.00
01:40:59.000 I'm staying home. 1.00
01:41:00.000 No, I definitely...
01:41:01.000 Definitely that's not gonna happen.
01:41:03.000 I'm gonna be there for that, 100%.
01:41:04.000 I love it, man.
01:41:05.000 It's not that I don't love it. 0.98
01:41:06.000 It's just that I like doing a lot of other shit, too. 0.98
01:41:08.000 Yeah, absolutely. 0.99
01:41:09.000 I probably have something wrong with me.
01:41:13.000 I probably have some OCD or ADD or something. 1.00
01:41:17.000 If I was a kid, they'd probably put me on some shit. 0.98
01:41:20.000 But I think that I just like experiencing different things. 0.99
01:41:24.000 I'm constantly trying to absorb new information.
01:41:28.000 I'm always watching documentaries and reading books and reading things.
01:41:32.000 I like new stuff all the time.
01:41:34.000 I don't think that my love for MMA will ever die off, but it's very possible that I won't want to do it as a career sometime in the future.
01:41:43.000 Alright, okay.
01:41:44.000 That's a good-ass answer.
01:41:45.000 Alright, third one.
01:41:46.000 What is your favorite memory in the UFC? I don't have one.
01:41:50.000 I definitely don't have one.
01:41:51.000 I have too many awesome memories.
01:41:53.000 There's too many.
01:41:54.000 To be able to do that for the past 13?
01:41:58.000 Yeah, I guess 13 years?
01:42:00.000 It's been amazing.
01:42:01.000 It's a great job, man.
01:42:03.000 It's incredible to go there and watch the all-time best combat sports athletes in the world in mixed martial arts compete and to be right there for most of the best fights ever and to call them.
01:42:17.000 I mean, I'm extremely honored.
01:42:19.000 So I don't have any one perfect memory.
01:42:23.000 I just have a lot of great ones.
01:42:25.000 Okay, alright.
01:42:27.000 What is your favorite MMA fight to call?
01:42:29.000 What has been your best MMA fight to call when you...
01:42:32.000 Again, I don't think I have one. 0.99
01:42:34.000 I'm sorry, I didn't even ask that fucking question. 0.98
01:42:36.000 But it's alright. 0.98
01:42:37.000 I just don't think I have one.
01:42:39.000 There's been some amazing ones, man, like Dan Henderson versus Shogun.
01:42:44.000 But that's for all the wrong reasons.
01:42:48.000 They're just beating the fuck out of each other.
01:42:50.000 Whereas your fight against Dodson was for all the right reasons.
01:42:54.000 I like both of those kinds of fights. 0.99
01:42:57.000 They're going to do that shit whether I'm there or not. 0.99
01:43:00.000 I'm not the dad. 1.00
01:43:01.000 I'm not the boss. 0.98
01:43:02.000 I'm not the fucking king of the world. 1.00
01:43:04.000 They're going to do it. 1.00
01:43:05.000 I can't stop them. 1.00
01:43:06.000 If some asshole wants to jump over the Grand Canyon and his fucking dirt bike, and I'm there, I'm going to watch. 1.00
01:43:12.000 I'm not going to go. 1.00
01:43:12.000 I'm out of here. 1.00
01:43:14.000 This is stupid. 1.00
01:43:15.000 I'm gonna go, let me see if this dude lands on his head. 1.00
01:43:17.000 I'm going to watch.
01:43:18.000 I don't necessarily...
01:43:19.000 You all sit in the car and wear your window and be like, mmm, don't you see it?
01:43:22.000 I don't want to hear the crunch of his skull hitting an overhang, you know, when he misses the third flip.
01:43:28.000 But...
01:43:30.000 I can't stop someone from fighting like Chico Rivera and John Lineker.
01:43:37.000 When Francisco Rivera fought John Lineker and those guys went to a part of me, because I really like Francisco.
01:43:45.000 Oh yeah. 1.00
01:43:45.000 I wanted to go, what the fuck are you? 1.00
01:43:47.000 Don't do that, man! 1.00
01:43:49.000 Don't do that!
01:43:50.000 Move! 0.99
01:43:50.000 Kick his legs! 0.99
01:43:52.000 Throw combinations!
01:43:54.000 Catch him with his hands down, winging from the hips! 1.00
01:43:56.000 Don't stand right in front of him and do his shit! 1.00
01:43:59.000 But, the other part of me goes, Oh, shit! 1.00
01:44:02.000 This is crazy! 1.00
01:44:04.000 I mean, part of me loves it.
01:44:06.000 Part of me loves it, and part of me, the part who appreciates an artist like yourself, I don't like it. 0.96
01:44:13.000 Because I don't want more people to emulate that, because I don't want to see more people all fucked up. 0.96
01:44:17.000 Yeah, absolutely. 0.98
01:44:18.000 Alright.
01:44:21.000 Faber versus T.J. Dillshaw.
01:44:23.000 Faber versus T.J. Dillshaw.
01:44:25.000 Man, there's a lot of emotions involved with those two fights, huh?
01:44:27.000 I don't know...
01:44:34.000 I'm very torn on that.
01:44:36.000 I like both of those guys, but I'm a big fan of loyalty, and I do not like when someone just gets up and leaves a camp that has been so good to them, like Alpha Male has been.
01:44:51.000 I also I also feel like with a guy like TJ He had this deep connection to Dwayne Ludwig Yeah, and Dwayne Ludwig has done some incredible shit for his career without a doubt no doubt about it And I think Dwayne I've worked with Dwayne before and I've watched Dwayne train fight.
01:45:09.000 I watched Dwayne I've trained TJ. I've watched him work with Brendan Shaw.
01:45:14.000 He's held paths for me and gone over his philosophy.
01:45:18.000 Because I was like, well, tell me what you teach guys.
01:45:20.000 How do you do this?
01:45:20.000 How do you set things up?
01:45:21.000 And I'm very impressed with his... 1.00
01:45:23.000 He's completely fucking crazy. 0.99
01:45:25.000 But in the best way for a trainer. 1.00
01:45:28.000 Because he's obsessed.
01:45:29.000 Like the day that TJ fought Burrell, I had lunch with Dwayne.
01:45:32.000 And...
01:45:33.000 It was hilarious because it was me and a bunch of my friends.
01:45:36.000 We're all sitting down in MGM or Mandalay Bay, whichever one. 0.95
01:45:41.000 We're all sitting down having lunch and Dwayne didn't give a fuck who else was at the table. 0.95
01:45:47.000 All he was like, basically what's going to happen is the fight is going to go down. 0.94
01:45:51.000 He's like, Brow always has a tendency to lean to his left.
01:45:53.000 As soon as he leans to his left, TJ's not going to be there.
01:45:55.000 He's going to be the right.
01:45:57.000 The overhand right is going to be the beginning of this fight.
01:45:59.000 He's rattling off things.
01:46:01.000 I'm trying to keep up with him.
01:46:02.000 I'm drinking coffee.
01:46:03.000 Just to keep up with his words, but he's obsessed.
01:46:07.000 He's obsessed with making guys better and I think TJ recognizes that and I think that personality wise Dwayne and Faber just did not it just clashed it didn't work out Depends I mean, I don't I like Uriah a lot.
01:46:23.000 I think Uriah is awesome I love him as a person and I like Dwayne a lot. 0.99
01:46:27.000 So I don't know who the fuck is right and who the fuck is wrong. 0.95
01:46:30.000 I I literally have no idea, right? 0.98
01:46:32.000 So I don't know what really went down, but I know it didn't work out, but I know that for Danny Castillo, and I know for TJ, having Dwayne coach them has been a huge benefit.
01:46:44.000 I don't like that TJ took off, but I don't know the specifics, and I also don't know what MusclePharm is offering him.
01:46:50.000 MusclePharm I don't understand muscle form.
01:46:53.000 I don't either.
01:46:55.000 This is what I don't understand. 1.00
01:46:56.000 Those fucking dudes, if you look at the financial reports, those guys are hemorrhaging money. 1.00
01:47:01.000 They're hemorrhaging money. 1.00
01:47:02.000 So I don't, I'm not sure what's going on there.
01:47:05.000 It might be some rich dude, like that dynamic fastener guy that was like sponsoring everybody.
01:47:10.000 Might be some dude who owns Muscle Farm that just loves MMA. I mean, maybe their products are awesome and they really believe in them and they're building up the company and this is part of their strategy.
01:47:20.000 I don't know. 0.96
01:47:21.000 But they're throwing a lot of fucking money at a lot of really good fighters. 0.98
01:47:24.000 They got Matt Browns over there now. 0.99
01:47:26.000 Yeah, I saw that.
01:47:26.000 He just moved the whole family out there.
01:47:28.000 Yeah, and I hope...
01:47:30.000 They don't go under. 0.98
01:47:34.000 I'm a part owner of Onnit, so we've looked at the MusclePharm business model and we're like, what the fuck is going on here? 0.81
01:47:42.000 Maybe we're not seeing something. 0.93
01:47:44.000 Maybe I'm missing something.
01:47:45.000 Maybe there's some revenue that we're not aware of, but as it's been explained to me, let's just put it this way in a positive spin.
01:47:53.000 They've made a significant investment in that gym, a significant investment in MMA. And a significant investment in their company that I don't know necessarily whether or not it's been profitable yet.
01:48:04.000 I'm obviously talking out of my ass because I'm not a financial guy. 0.98
01:48:07.000 But I like what they're doing in terms of building this giant team, in terms of putting together this world-class facility. 0.99
01:48:15.000 I mean, their facility is super impressive.
01:48:17.000 I mean, I've seen the gym that they put together. 0.98
01:48:19.000 It's fucking amazing, man. 0.97
01:48:21.000 It's awesome. 0.88
01:48:21.000 I have a dream of doing something like that someday. 0.88
01:48:24.000 I think that would be incredible.
01:48:25.000 If I do ever leave commentating for the UFC, one of the things fucking for sure I want to do is open up a big gym with guys like Eddie Bravo and get in some great striking coaches and just do it for the enjoyment of the sport.
01:48:40.000 You're all there in the UFC. You're like, Alright, come on champ!
01:48:42.000 Alright, come on!
01:48:43.000 There you go, there you go!
01:48:44.000 See, I don't...
01:48:45.000 Maybe, but I doubt it.
01:48:47.000 I will be watching from the sidelines.
01:48:49.000 That's one of the hardest things for me is to commentate on people that I like.
01:48:54.000 Like Ronda.
01:48:55.000 Ronda's a friend of mine. 0.95
01:48:56.000 And Ronda, when she got fucked up by Holly, I commentated that fight just like I would people I don't even know. 0.74
01:49:03.000 You're doing your job. 0.98
01:49:04.000 But I do know her.
01:49:06.000 And I like her a lot.
01:49:07.000 And when she got head kicked, I was like, cool.
01:49:11.000 Your face afterwards I was like...
01:49:14.000 Well you know the best part about that was filmed by John Wayne Parr who is a multiple-time world Muay Thai champion.
01:49:20.000 He's a 10-time world Muay Thai champion.
01:49:22.000 He's a good buddy of mine who's with his young daughter who's also a fighter.
01:49:25.000 His young daughter's a fighter and she's a huge Ronda fan and I not only did I get them tickets, I pulled them from their seats and had them sit behind me in the production seats.
01:49:35.000 You're like, I'm so sorry.
01:49:37.000 They were right there.
01:49:38.000 So when she got head kicked, I turned to look at John, and John's got his iPhone off.
01:49:42.000 I'm like, oh! 0.92
01:49:44.000 And that video has got like fucking millions of hits now because it's so crazy to watch that reaction right after that kick. 0.75
01:49:52.000 But that was a hard one, man, because I care about her a lot. 0.75
01:49:55.000 And I also don't agree with a lot of her training and their coaching and all that stuff.
01:50:02.000 If I... I mean, who knows when the dust settles?
01:50:05.000 Yeah.
01:50:06.000 I would tell her to go to Matt Hume.
01:50:08.000 There's two people I would tell her to go to.
01:50:09.000 Matt Hume or Faraz Ahabi.
01:50:10.000 Those are the two guys.
01:50:11.000 Or Raphael Cordero.
01:50:12.000 Raphael Cordero is very good.
01:50:13.000 Yes.
01:50:13.000 And very close to her.
01:50:15.000 Yes.
01:50:15.000 Matt speaks very highly of him.
01:50:16.000 He was like, me and my friends always talk about like, if Matt was like, hey guys, I'm done.
01:50:21.000 I'm done coaching.
01:50:23.000 We were like, where would you go?
01:50:24.000 And I was like, you know what?
01:50:25.000 That might be Raphael Cordero.
01:50:26.000 I heard they spar pretty hard there.
01:50:27.000 Yes, they do.
01:50:28.000 But I'm like, hey guys, can I just train here?
01:50:30.000 I don't want to spar hard.
01:50:32.000 Yeah.
01:50:33.000 I told you, I was like, dude, I don't need to spar hard. 0.99
01:50:35.000 I was like, I'm pretty sure when I get in the octagon, I'm gonna pull the fucking trigger. 0.99
01:50:37.000 You ain't gotta worry about that. 0.99
01:50:38.000 Don't worry about that.
01:50:39.000 You've been pulling the trigger for a long time.
01:50:42.000 But it's like, you know, that's that old shoot-the-box style.
01:50:45.000 Yes, exactly.
01:50:46.000 Those old habits die hard. 0.91
01:50:47.000 Those guys used to beat the fuck out of each other for puppies. 0.97
01:50:50.000 I know.
01:50:50.000 You ever heard that story?
01:50:53.000 Shogun and Vandele Silva, they brawled over a puppy and whoever could knock you out.
01:50:58.000 Shogun apparently had a puppy for sale and Vandele didn't want to pay as much as Shogun wanted for it.
01:51:04.000 So Vandele said, if I knock you out, I don't have to pay, but if you knock me out, I'll pay.
01:51:08.000 And Vandele knocked him out.
01:51:10.000 When Shogun woke up, Vandele was holding his puppy.
01:51:12.000 He was like, you see my friend. 1.00
01:51:14.000 That's some cold shit. 1.00
01:51:15.000 But I also think there was a lot of ignorance involved. 1.00
01:51:18.000 And I don't think they understood head trauma.
01:51:21.000 And I think there was a point in time to where now, I think everybody's starting to understand.
01:51:27.000 I totally respect what he did where he was like, I need to go to be with somebody who's going to put 110% into me.
01:51:33.000 And that's Dwayne Ludwig.
01:51:35.000 Team Alphamore, they've done an amazing job.
01:51:37.000 And still doing a good job trying to keep that team together.
01:51:40.000 But at the same time, this is a business.
01:51:43.000 We're all trying to make money.
01:51:44.000 At the end of the day...
01:51:45.000 Uriah Faber, he's taken care of, regardless if he ever becomes a champion or not.
01:51:48.000 He's done did it.
01:51:49.000 I told Uriah Faber in his face, I was like, dude, you might never be the champion, but you'll probably be the most lucrative, successful 135-pounder to walk this earth.
01:51:58.000 Well, he's a very smart guy business-wise, too.
01:52:00.000 He's really good at flipping houses.
01:52:02.000 He owns a few houses, buys them and sells them.
01:52:06.000 He's a smart dude.
01:52:07.000 Very, very clever guy.
01:52:09.000 And I think with TJ, he saw that if he went with Dwayne Ludwig, Which he should, because Domino Cruz ain't no fucking joke, that he is going to be able to keep on being 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. Maybe, but here's the counter to that was like how much of how good he got was sparring with Joseph Benavidez,
01:52:28.000 sparring with Chad Mendes, sparring with Lance Parma, sparring with Cody Garbrandt, you know, being in the gym with those fucking monsters that are his weight class every day. 0.65
01:52:37.000 That's also a big factor. 0.51
01:52:38.000 I think the combination of Dwayne and them He can try those tools out on them. 0.98
01:52:45.000 I just don't think fucking, man, whatever the reason they couldn't work. 0.95
01:52:50.000 Well, you know, there's nothing perfect in this world, you know? 1.00
01:52:52.000 Well, I have to say, my favorite quote by TJ Dosha was like, shit, T-Mouth Mill, they even got a fucking physical therapist. 0.99
01:52:57.000 I was like, I don't have a physical therapist. 1.00
01:53:00.000 Physical therapist.
01:53:01.000 Muscle farm's taking it to the next level.
01:53:04.000 All right, number six.
01:53:06.000 How did you get into broadcasting for the UFC? Dana White.
01:53:09.000 Talk me into it.
01:53:10.000 I have no desire.
01:53:11.000 Really?
01:53:12.000 Zero desire. 1.00
01:53:13.000 You're like, dude, how much people eat shit for a living? 0.99
01:53:16.000 Well, before that, I worked for the UFC. I worked for the UFC in 1997. I worked for the UFC in 2000, well, 1997. UFC 12. Okay. 0.99
01:53:25.000 Not 2012. 1997 in Dothan, Alabama.
01:53:30.000 It was the first UFC where they were supposed to be in New York, they're supposed to be in Buffalo, and they moved it down to Dothan.
01:53:37.000 So I did that, and I did it for about two years, then I decided to quit.
01:53:41.000 And when I decided to quit, I was very content not doing it, and I was excited when Zufa purchased it.
01:53:49.000 And so then they had their big pay-per-view event, before I started working for them, where Tito Ortiz fought Vladimir Matyushenko right after September 11th.
01:53:58.000 It was a big event in Vegas.
01:54:00.000 And me and Eddie Bravo went down for it, and I became friends with Dana White.
01:54:04.000 And, you know, Dana and I, we just talked about fights.
01:54:07.000 We would get together, and, you know, he knew me from Fear Factor, and that's how he...
01:54:11.000 They were trying to get celebrities to come to the fights, and so they would give you tickets and shit like that. 0.77
01:54:15.000 And I was just telling him, like, what about this guy?
01:54:18.000 You know about this guy?
01:54:18.000 What about that guy?
01:54:19.000 You ever see this guy fighting?
01:54:20.000 You ever see Shudo?
01:54:21.000 You ever watch Shudo? 0.99
01:54:22.000 You know, started rattling off all this different shit to him. 0.99
01:54:24.000 And he was like, I need you. 0.97
01:54:25.000 And so he started going, why don't you do commentary? 0.99
01:54:27.000 And I was like, fuck, dude, I don't want to do commentary. 0.99
01:54:29.000 I'm busy, man. 0.99
01:54:30.000 I heard you stand-up.
01:54:32.000 I had two gigs back then, too.
01:54:35.000 I was doing the UFC, or I was doing Fear Factor, and I was hosting The Man Show, and I was doing stand-up comedy. 0.93
01:54:40.000 So I've always done a gang of different shit. 0.96
01:54:43.000 I was always just trying to, I don't know, the OCD part. 0.98
01:54:47.000 And so then Dana asked me to do it.
01:54:49.000 So UFC 37 and a half, which was, I think, in 2002. That was my first ever UFC that I commentated on.
01:54:57.000 It was Chuck Liddell vs.
01:54:58.000 Vitor.
01:54:59.000 Oh, wow. 0.97
01:54:59.000 Yeah, and it was on Best Damn Sports Show. 0.97
01:55:02.000 Remember Best Damn Sports Show? 0.97
01:55:03.000 Yeah, I do. 0.98
01:55:04.000 Yeah, they aired the UFC on Best Damn Sports Show.
01:55:09.000 And so I watched, I commentated on that, and then Dana tried to get me to do all of them.
01:55:16.000 And then I said, no, listen, man, I go, you know, how about this?
01:55:20.000 I go, I'll do some commentary.
01:55:23.000 I go, just get my friends tickets to the fights and I'll do commentary.
01:55:25.000 So that's what we, like, the first...
01:55:27.000 I think like 10 or 15 shows, I didn't get paid at all.
01:55:31.000 Wow.
01:55:32.000 I didn't even ask for money.
01:55:33.000 That's good.
01:55:33.000 I didn't even want any money.
01:55:34.000 I go, ah, just fucking fly me out there, get my friends tickets. 0.65
01:55:38.000 So, you know, like Eddie and a couple of other of my buddies from Jiu Jitsu, we'd come and they were fans. 0.90
01:55:43.000 They would sit in the front row, we'd watch the fights, and then afterward we'd go eat steak and relax and have a good time. 0.99
01:55:48.000 You're like, fucking take care of my boys. 0.99
01:55:50.000 Yeah, this was fun. 1.00
01:55:51.000 We had a good time.
01:55:52.000 This is great to be able to...
01:55:53.000 We were always big UFC fans.
01:55:55.000 One of the things we would always say is, what the UFC really needs is some crazy millionaires who have all this money in the world, who are willing to spend a ton of money to promote the sport.
01:56:05.000 And if they did that, man, the sport is so exciting.
01:56:08.000 It could really be huge.
01:56:09.000 And so that was our thought process behind it.
01:56:12.000 And it's almost like we manifested the Fertittas. 0.83
01:56:15.000 And the Fertittas...
01:56:16.000 Out of nowhere became these guys that were these super millionaire, billionaire characters that were fans of the sport.
01:56:23.000 And so from 2002 on, I've been doing it.
01:56:27.000 Nice, man.
01:56:28.000 Love it.
01:56:28.000 Love it that you're there.
01:56:29.000 All right.
01:56:32.000 Have you ever commentated high?
01:56:34.000 No.
01:56:35.000 Oh, there you go.
01:56:36.000 That's probably like a little lingering.
01:56:40.000 I wouldn't have passed any tests.
01:56:42.000 Yeah.
01:56:43.000 But I never do now.
01:56:46.000 Maybe that was like really early on, like in the early 2000s.
01:56:50.000 But no, I'm sober for all of them.
01:56:53.000 Good, good.
01:56:54.000 Alright, here it is.
01:56:55.000 Last one.
01:56:55.000 Even the hangover thing, I'm never hungover anymore.
01:56:57.000 That was early, early, early, early days.
01:57:00.000 Yeah.
01:57:00.000 And only a couple times.
01:57:01.000 You're like...
01:57:02.000 Because I remember my brain just wasn't firing that good.
01:57:04.000 I was like, ooh, that's not good.
01:57:05.000 Mike's like, Joe, you're alright?
01:57:06.000 He goes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:57:07.000 He never says that.
01:57:09.000 It's always me asking him.
01:57:11.000 Mike, I'm like, okay.
01:57:13.000 He goes, I don't know, Joe.
01:57:13.000 You're not firing today.
01:57:17.000 This one is kind of two-part.
01:57:19.000 Thoughts of people going to Bellator and testing the free agency market?
01:57:23.000 I think we need more competition, and I think it'd be great if Bellator becomes giant. 1.00
01:57:28.000 First, they should ditch that stupid fucking name. 1.00
01:57:30.000 I think Bellator. 1.00
01:57:31.000 What is a Bellator? 1.00
01:57:33.000 Try explaining that to your fucking gardener. 1.00
01:57:35.000 Try explaining that to your boss. 1.00
01:57:37.000 We're watching Bellator.
01:57:39.000 What's Bellator?
01:57:40.000 It's like MMA. What is MMA? It's like the UFC. Oh, okay.
01:57:45.000 Nobody knows what the fuck that means. 0.78
01:57:46.000 They should call it Spike TV Mixed Martial Arts. 0.95
01:57:48.000 If they were smart, they would just call it Mixed Martial Arts. 0.98
01:57:50.000 When you watch boxing, you don't give a fuck if it's Don King or Bob Arum or Golden Boy. 0.98
01:57:56.000 It's boxing. 0.96
01:57:57.000 And that's what MMA should be. 0.85
01:57:59.000 I mean, right now, we've got this NFL situation where, like, when you watch football, you really watch the NFL. There's no other options.
01:58:05.000 You got Canadian football, which is fucking ridiculous. 0.99
01:58:09.000 Or you've got the NFL. That's it. 1.00
01:58:12.000 And that's the situation right now we have with MMA. Even though I work for the UFC and I love the UFC, I don't think that is a good model.
01:58:20.000 I don't think it's a good model for the athletes.
01:58:22.000 I think the best model for the athletes is the model that boxing has.
01:58:25.000 And that's why...
01:58:27.000 When you look at how much money the top boxers make, the difference between how much the promotion makes and how much the athletes make, it's sided more towards the athletes in boxing than it is in MMA. I think with a company like Bellator,
01:58:45.000 They're backed by Viacom.
01:58:47.000 I think the good thing about something like Viacom is that Viacom is this multi-billion dollar huge multimedia company.
01:58:55.000 The bad thing about it is they're a business and they're not in the business of MMA. The UFC, Dana White and the Fertitta's are huge Mixed martial arts fans.
01:59:05.000 They love the fights.
01:59:06.000 And they have no plans on bailing on the UFC. It's a very profitable venture.
01:59:12.000 They make tons of money.
01:59:13.000 It's a huge success.
01:59:14.000 And they built it to be that giant success.
01:59:17.000 So they deserve everything they get.
01:59:19.000 Viacom does not feel that way.
01:59:21.000 Viacom is in it to win it.
01:59:22.000 They're in it to make money.
01:59:23.000 And the moment it stops making money, they're going to cast it aside the same way they did Glory.
01:59:28.000 They got rid of Gloria.
01:59:29.000 That's right, that's right. 0.98
01:59:29.000 That was a huge fuck-up on their part. 0.98
01:59:32.000 That was a gigantic fuck-up. 1.00
01:59:34.000 Because, first of all, High-level kickboxing is some of the most exciting shit you could ever watch. 0.99
01:59:40.000 It's super, super exciting. 0.99
01:59:42.000 And for them to bail on that, I just think it's ridiculous. 0.89
01:59:46.000 I just think it's so short-sighted. 0.99
01:59:48.000 And I think their promotion sucked.
01:59:50.000 I don't think they did a good job of getting people excited about it.
01:59:54.000 I don't think the promotion, like the actual...
02:00:00.000 The way it was produced, the production of it was that good.
02:00:03.000 It's like, what you have is an amazing product.
02:00:06.000 You got Nikki Holtzkin, you got, you know, Joseph Valtellini, you got Raymond Daniels, you got all these wild-ass kickboxers, you got Rico Verhoeven, you got amazing, amazing talent.
02:00:16.000 You just gotta figure out how to promote them. 0.99
02:00:18.000 Put the fucking money in. 1.00
02:00:19.000 Make that money. 1.00
02:00:20.000 Put the money in and get the return.
02:00:22.000 That's not the business they're in.
02:00:23.000 They're in the business of profitable promotions, profitable television shows, profitable Productions.
02:00:30.000 Whatever they put together, they wanted to make money. 0.99
02:00:32.000 And when you start seeing those 200,000 views, 300,000 views, they're like, fuck this. 0.97
02:00:38.000 Yeah, and they tried that one pay-per-view, which is an extreme disaster. 0.97
02:00:42.000 I remember that one.
02:00:43.000 So poorly planned.
02:00:44.000 So poorly planned. 1.00
02:00:45.000 First of all, you don't have a fucking pay-per-view where you show them hours of free shit first. 1.00
02:00:53.000 And then you make them watch the pay-per-view. 1.00
02:00:55.000 It's like, that's what the UFC does, dummy. 1.00
02:00:57.000 But the UFC is an established brand, you fucking idiots. 1.00
02:01:00.000 When the UFC does it, it's an appetizer. 1.00
02:01:02.000 They're building it up, they're getting your lips wet, and you're like, fuck it, we're in all that. 1.00
02:01:06.000 We're ordering pizza, we get the beer out, we're fucking doing this! 1.00
02:01:09.000 We're doing it all night! 0.99
02:01:11.000 I think they tried to emulate that model, and it's not smart.
02:01:14.000 Boxing doesn't do it that way. 0.73
02:01:15.000 Nobody else does it that way.
02:01:17.000 And I don't think they should have done it that way.
02:01:19.000 And I definitely don't think they were ready for pay-per-view.
02:01:21.000 I think that cost them a lot of money, and they started going deeper and deeper into the red.
02:01:26.000 Yeah, I agree.
02:01:27.000 I agree.
02:01:27.000 I always think it's good to have good competition because it makes people decide after their contract is up with the UFC or Bellator or other places, then they can decide on, hey, like, what, Gilbert Melendez, he tested the market for Bellator, and from the word on the street is that he got a good deal with the UFC,
02:01:45.000 so I think it's a good competition.
02:01:47.000 I think it is good competition, and I also think that it would be great for everybody, including the UFC. I think that if the Bellator promotion really kicked it into gear and started putting on really high-quality shows with guys who you look at them, like, say if Jon Jones was over in Bellator, if Jon Jones left and went to Bellator,
02:02:03.000 good fucking googly moogly. 0.95
02:02:05.000 Start smashing people. 0.99
02:02:07.000 And then Gustafson went over there, or a couple other guys go to...
02:02:10.000 That would be giant!
02:02:11.000 And it would force everybody to rise up.
02:02:13.000 It forces everybody.
02:02:15.000 Even if Glover, you know, someone who's like a real top ten contender, Glover Teixeira...
02:02:19.000 Or Ben Henderson.
02:02:20.000 Ben Henderson.
02:02:21.000 He might.
02:02:21.000 Look, Ben Askren, to this day, I'm pissed that Ben Askren was never signed by the UFC. I think that's a disaster.
02:02:27.000 Well, Dana White would rather watch two flights fuck over shit than watch him wrestle. 1.00
02:02:31.000 I don't understand that. 1.00
02:02:33.000 That's not how I look at it.
02:02:34.000 The way I look at it is like, you've got...
02:02:37.000 The sport, which again, I call high-level problem-solving, right?
02:02:41.000 That's what MMA is. 0.82
02:02:42.000 Yeah.
02:02:42.000 And then you got this guy who's just this giant problem.
02:02:45.000 Yeah.
02:02:45.000 He's such a wicked grappler.
02:02:47.000 Yeah.
02:02:47.000 He's so good.
02:02:48.000 And people go, oh, he's boring.
02:02:50.000 Like, not to me.
02:02:50.000 Not to me.
02:02:51.000 Not to me.
02:02:51.000 How do you solve this problem?
02:02:53.000 When I watch Pharah, I'm like...
02:02:55.000 Let me sit back and watch this again.
02:02:57.000 How about this?
02:02:58.000 Watch baseball. 1.00
02:03:00.000 That shit is so fucking boring. 1.00
02:03:03.000 Millions of people watch it. 1.00
02:03:04.000 I've had sweets, unlimited drinks, unlimited food.
02:03:08.000 You know what I did?
02:03:09.000 I fell asleep.
02:03:11.000 And who is right next to me sleeping?
02:03:13.000 Joseph Benavidez, my friend.
02:03:14.000 Me and him are out in Toronto.
02:03:17.000 Of course.
02:03:18.000 Well, you guys are tired from training. 0.99
02:03:20.000 Why would I waste my valuable mental and physical resources staying away from this shit when I can just recover? 1.00
02:03:26.000 Fuck this. 1.00
02:03:27.000 And you look over at him. 1.00
02:03:28.000 He's sleeping? 1.00
02:03:29.000 Fuck, I'm going to sleep too. 1.00
02:03:30.000 Exactly, yeah. 1.00
02:03:31.000 I got to get a couple selfies.
02:03:32.000 I'm going to sleep.
02:03:32.000 Then I'm going to bed.
02:03:33.000 Yeah, get a couple selfies with him blacked out.
02:03:36.000 Yeah, I think that MMA should be pure.
02:03:40.000 That's what I think.
02:03:41.000 And I think that a guy like Ben Askren, he presents a pure problem.
02:03:47.000 And that problem is he's got a very strong skill.
02:03:51.000 And he's incredibly gifted and talented in one aspect of MMA. And I want to see a guy like that...
02:03:59.000 I want to see you throw that guy in with everybody.
02:04:02.000 I want to see what can he do to Carlos Condon.
02:04:03.000 Maybe he takes Carlos Condon down. 0.99
02:04:05.000 Carlos can't do shit to him. 0.99
02:04:06.000 That's why I like you. 0.99
02:04:08.000 People are like, oh man, Sage Northcutt, he's too young. 1.00
02:04:11.000 Fuck that. 1.00
02:04:12.000 I want to see him fight Anthony Pettis. 1.00
02:04:13.000 Fuck yeah. 0.99
02:04:14.000 I want to see his athletic ability against somebody who's just as athletic and skillful. 1.00
02:04:19.000 Yes, I understand building a mob, rising to the occasion.
02:04:21.000 Who cares?
02:04:22.000 Yeah, he lost.
02:04:24.000 Who cares?
02:04:25.000 He'll come back.
02:04:25.000 He's young.
02:04:26.000 He'll get better.
02:04:29.000 I'm not saying they're pampering him right now.
02:04:31.000 A lot of eyes out there are like, oh, he's...
02:04:35.000 This is one of the things that pisses me off.
02:04:37.000 People are like, he's not ready for that fight.
02:04:39.000 He's not ready for that fight.
02:04:40.000 How do you know?
02:04:41.000 Well, this is the thing.
02:04:43.000 Here's my opinion. 1.00
02:04:44.000 When you come to the UFC, this is the fucking hippie thing. 0.97
02:04:48.000 My amateur career was so long that Matt wanted to make sure when I got into, when he called me, when Sean Shelby called him, he goes, hey, we got a fight for Demetri Johnson. 0.97
02:04:57.000 We want to sign him after I knocked out Jesse Brock in Alaska.
02:05:01.000 And Matt was like, okay, who do you want him to fight?
02:05:03.000 And he goes, Brad Pickett, right?
02:05:07.000 Any other coach would be like, no, [...
02:05:09.000 I don't want him to fight Brad Pickett.
02:05:10.000 Brad Pickett's tough.
02:05:11.000 He's good.
02:05:12.000 You know what Matt said?
02:05:13.000 Absolutely.
02:05:14.000 Let's do it.
02:05:15.000 I believe Dimitri Johnson can beat anybody out there.
02:05:17.000 I went out there and I fought my ass off, broke my hand, and lost the fight.
02:05:20.000 And was Matt upset?
02:05:22.000 No, he wasn't upset at all.
02:05:23.000 He goes, dude, that was your first fight in the big show. 0.98
02:05:25.000 You went out there and fought your ass off.
02:05:26.000 You performed way more than my expectations.
02:05:29.000 So why not?
02:05:30.000 Why not?
02:05:30.000 Let's go Sage Northcott against...
02:05:33.000 Who do you think would be a good fight?
02:05:35.000 Well, I don't know, but I mean, here's a counterpoint to that.
02:05:38.000 The counterpoint to it is, you look at a guy like Mayweather, who was an Olympic star, went from that to entered MMA and was slowly built up. 0.99
02:05:46.000 Now, here he is, 49-0, supposedly retired, but we both know that's bullshit. 0.87
02:05:51.000 He'll be back in April when they build that huge stadium in Vegas. 0.98
02:05:54.000 That's what I guarantee you.
02:05:56.000 I'm gonna predict it right now. 0.88
02:05:57.000 He's gonna be back in April, and he's gonna fight Manny Pacquiao after Manny Pacquiao recovers from shoulder surgery, and it'll be the biggest fucking fight ever, next to the last fight, which was the biggest fight ever. 0.77
02:06:08.000 He's not gonna pass up on money, and he's still young, and he's still awesome.
02:06:12.000 Why would you tie your record with another person where you can have the record? 1.00
02:06:16.000 Fuck Rocky Marciano. 1.00
02:06:18.000 BAM! Not only that, I think Rocky Marciano fought his brother more than once. 1.00
02:06:22.000 Really?
02:06:22.000 Yeah, that's the rumor.
02:06:23.000 The rumor is Rocky Marciano fought his brother at least once, maybe more than once, so his record might really be like four...
02:06:31.000 Unquestionably, Rocky Marciano was one of the greatest boxers of all time.
02:06:34.000 Unquestionably, a nasty brawler.
02:06:36.000 You watch his victory over Jersey Joe Walcott, that nasty knockout. 1.00
02:06:40.000 He was a fucking brawler. 0.99
02:06:41.000 And he was 189 pounds. 1.00
02:06:44.000 He was 5'9", and he was a fucking heavyweight. 0.99
02:06:48.000 I mean, it's incredible. 0.98
02:06:49.000 I mean, he might have been 5'10".
02:06:51.000 I don't know, but he wasn't a big guy.
02:06:53.000 It was a different world back then.
02:06:55.000 It was hard to get food.
02:06:57.000 It was.
02:06:58.000 It was hard for people to get big.
02:07:00.000 The average person during World War II, the average man, or not World War II, the Civil War, the average man was like 130 pounds.
02:07:08.000 There you go.
02:07:09.000 Right here.
02:07:09.000 There's no food.
02:07:11.000 I mean, there were no giants back then.
02:07:13.000 It was really difficult. 0.99
02:07:14.000 Like, when a guy like Jack Johnson came along, everybody was like, what the fuck? 0.98
02:07:18.000 Because he was a legit heavyweight. 0.98
02:07:20.000 Yeah.
02:07:20.000 But they called him, you know, they called him a giant.
02:07:23.000 And, I mean, what was he, like 6'2"?
02:07:26.000 I think.
02:07:26.000 I think Jack Johnson was 6'2".
02:07:28.000 Yeah.
02:07:28.000 You know, that's what I think.
02:07:29.000 You know, I don't think people were big back then.
02:07:32.000 I think it was a totally different world.
02:07:35.000 How tall was he, Jamie?
02:07:36.000 6'2".
02:07:37.000 See? 1.00
02:07:37.000 Bitch, I know my shit. 1.00
02:07:40.000 What was the original question? 1.00
02:07:42.000 How did we get to that?
02:07:43.000 We ran off talking about...
02:07:45.000 What was it?
02:07:47.000 Where did we start from?
02:07:49.000 Oh, Sage Northcutt.
02:07:50.000 Yes.
02:07:50.000 Fighting.
02:07:51.000 Oh, yeah.
02:07:52.000 If Sage Northcutt was...
02:07:54.000 If he was my student, I would test the waters.
02:07:59.000 The first fight that he fought...
02:08:01.000 Who was the guy who fought?
02:08:05.000 I forget the gentleman's name, but it was a really quick stoppage.
02:08:08.000 We don't know anything other than the fact that he's explosive and fast and he took advantage of an opportunity to stop the fight quickly.
02:08:15.000 I think that if time goes on, he's got a lot of potential and he's got a lot of marketing potential.
02:08:24.000 And you've got to look at it as a massive investment.
02:08:26.000 And I think that you would start to build him up.
02:08:29.000 Give him some tougher and tougher fights.
02:08:31.000 And then, you know, maybe when he's 20, 21, then he's 19 now. 0.97
02:08:35.000 Like you said, when he's 20, 21, I'm like, fuck, I didn't get to USC until I was, what, 24, 25? 0.97
02:08:41.000 That's still perfect. 0.95
02:08:42.000 I think Matt Hume is one of the best and smartest trainers and strategists.
02:08:50.000 So I think his movement of you and getting you into position was perfectly orchestrated.
02:08:55.000 I think a guy like Sage needs someone like that to be in his corner.
02:08:59.000 Ronda obviously didn't have that. 0.99
02:09:01.000 You know, obviously.
02:09:02.000 She didn't have someone who was covering all the bases.
02:09:04.000 And I think you need someone who covers all the bases.
02:09:07.000 Like, we don't know.
02:09:08.000 How good is this kid on the ground?
02:09:09.000 I mean, how good is this kid's wrestling?
02:09:11.000 You know, what does it look like if he gets in there with a guy who can take him down at will?
02:09:15.000 You know, have him spar with a guy like Askren.
02:09:18.000 Let's see what happens.
02:09:19.000 Let's see what happens if he wrestles with a guy like Askren.
02:09:21.000 Askren just breaks him.
02:09:23.000 I call this the blanket.
02:09:24.000 Yeah, exactly. 0.99
02:09:26.000 I call this to smell my balls. 1.00
02:09:27.000 I'm gonna fucking ride your face. 1.00
02:09:28.000 What are you gonna do? 1.00
02:09:29.000 Try to get me off.
02:09:30.000 And I think that's get me off of you, I should say.
02:09:34.000 I think a guy like...
02:09:37.000 Like, I think you need to be exposed to all these different styles to find out where are the holes.
02:09:44.000 Where's the holes in your game?
02:09:45.000 And not wait until you get to the big championship.
02:09:49.000 Right.
02:09:49.000 And then you falter.
02:09:52.000 Shit happens. 1.00
02:09:53.000 Exactly. 1.00
02:09:53.000 It happens. 1.00
02:09:54.000 But it happened the first time she fought a real kickboxer.
02:09:57.000 Yes.
02:09:58.000 Totally agree.
02:09:59.000 That makes more sense.
02:10:00.000 I mean, I remember Edmund telling me that he had a background in Taekwondo and he can't kick Ronda and no one's going to be able to kick Ronda.
02:10:06.000 I was like...
02:10:09.000 You're like, Evan.
02:10:10.000 I was like, okay. 0.99
02:10:11.000 Evan, what the fuck happened? 0.99
02:10:13.000 Just from him saying that, I was like, okay, what? 1.00
02:10:15.000 Can I just see you kick? 0.56
02:10:17.000 Can I just see what this background looks like? 0.99
02:10:20.000 It's just a goddamn giant difference between Anthony Pettis and you. 0.94
02:10:25.000 Let's just be realistic. 0.98
02:10:27.000 Absolutely.
02:10:28.000 I mean, Anthony Pettis, when you get these world-class kickers, There's...
02:10:35.000 Yeah, there's a difference between a trainer like an Edmund and Anthony Pettis. 0.99
02:10:39.000 I'd rather get punched in the face than get fucking kicked. 1.00
02:10:42.000 Oh, fuck yeah! 1.00
02:10:43.000 If you've never been... 1.00
02:10:44.000 Oh, fuck yeah! 1.00
02:10:45.000 My dream was one day to meet Krokop. 1.00
02:10:48.000 I'm like, dude, I want you to just kick me in the fucking leg. 1.00
02:10:49.000 Him and Aldo. 1.00
02:10:50.000 When I first met...
02:10:51.000 I love Aldo.
02:10:53.000 He was my biggest inspiration.
02:10:56.000 Krokop, Anderlowski, and Jose Aldo were my biggest inspirations.
02:10:59.000 And I was like...
02:11:01.000 When I met...
02:11:03.000 Aldo, I don't speak Portuguese. 1.00
02:11:04.000 I was like, dude, just fucking kick me. 1.00
02:11:06.000 No! 1.00
02:11:07.000 Because that's the thing.
02:11:08.000 You just want to feel it? 0.99
02:11:09.000 I just want to fucking feel it. 0.99
02:11:10.000 What makes people... 0.99
02:11:11.000 Speed.
02:11:13.000 Speed. 1.00
02:11:13.000 Yeah, I was like, just fucking kick me just once. 1.00
02:11:15.000 Did he? 0.99
02:11:16.000 I don't speak Portuguese.
02:11:19.000 Or even Crow Cop. 0.92
02:11:21.000 I've never met him before.
02:11:22.000 You don't want that guy kicking you.
02:11:24.000 I was like, dude, just kidding me.
02:11:25.000 But Matt was like, dude, it's easy for a Crow Cop kick. 1.00
02:11:27.000 He fights a heavyweight.
02:11:30.000 He goes, a heavyweight can kick. 1.00
02:11:31.000 They just got to throw their fucking leg on you and they're kicking. 1.00
02:11:34.000 So those were always my thing. 1.00
02:11:35.000 I want to get fucking kicked by those guys. 0.99
02:11:38.000 Highlight reel of K.O.S., that left high kick. 1.00
02:11:41.000 It's like no one else ever.
02:11:43.000 That Vanderlei one, he flatlined Vanderlei.
02:11:46.000 Vanderlei just collapsed in a hump.
02:11:48.000 Oh my God. 0.99
02:11:50.000 God damn, he was badass in his day. 0.99
02:11:53.000 So, I don't know what the original question was. 0.99
02:11:56.000 That's my answer.
02:11:59.000 I love the answer.
02:12:00.000 I love it.
02:12:04.000 Is that it?
02:12:05.000 Is that all the questions?
02:12:05.000 That was all the questions.
02:12:07.000 They had a lot of jackass questions, and I'm not about bringing jackass stuff. 1.00
02:12:11.000 Whose dick would you suck if you had to stay alive? 1.00
02:12:16.000 If you were at the bottom of the ocean and someone's dick contained oxygen, who would you suck? 1.00
02:12:24.000 Who would it suck to get out there? 1.00
02:12:26.000 Would you do it?
02:12:27.000 Yeah.
02:12:28.000 The internet is amazing in that anybody can talk.
02:12:32.000 Oh.
02:12:33.000 But it's the pros and it's the cons of it.
02:12:35.000 Yeah.
02:12:36.000 But ultimately, it's pro.
02:12:38.000 There's been times I just want to...
02:12:40.000 Actually, I've gotten a lot better.
02:12:41.000 I won't even go on any MMA sites anymore.
02:12:45.000 Just won't. 0.98
02:12:46.000 The only reason I'm going to go on Twitter is if I'm looking for something or if I'm going to post something about me coming on here or stream or anything like that because a lot of people just talk shit. 1.00
02:12:56.000 It's like, stop talking shit. 0.99
02:13:00.000 We also have to think about it this way, and they should probably think about it this way, too. 0.99
02:13:05.000 Like, what are you doing? 0.90
02:13:06.000 Like, if you're going online, like, I'll look at someone, sometimes someone will talk shit to me, and I'll go to their Twitter account, and I'll realize that's all they do. 0.95
02:13:14.000 Yeah. 1.00
02:13:14.000 That's all they do is talk shit to me. 1.00
02:13:16.000 I look at their Twitter account, I'm like, you need to get someone's help. 1.00
02:13:20.000 Someone needs to talk to you, like, your fucking whole Twitter feed is me. 0.98
02:13:24.000 You're telling me I'm a loser, but I didn't even know you existed until two seconds ago, and apparently you've been tweeting me for a year. 1.00
02:13:30.000 Like, that's pretty fucking crazy, and it's not healthy, man. 0.98
02:13:34.000 Sorry, I just found you. 0.95
02:13:36.000 Sorry it took me this long. 0.99
02:13:37.000 But to say someone's not shit, like to go to your Twitter, Demetrius Joss, you ain't shit, nobody likes you. 1.00
02:13:42.000 But what about you, bitch? 1.00
02:13:43.000 You know me. 1.00
02:13:44.000 I don't even know who you are.
02:13:45.000 You're not even a person. 1.00
02:13:46.000 You're an egg. 0.97
02:13:47.000 You're an egg-shaped avatar on Twitter with a fake name, and you're thinking about me. 0.98
02:13:52.000 Yep.
02:13:52.000 Why are you thinking about me?
02:13:54.000 Because I've actually gone out and done something.
02:13:56.000 Absolutely. 0.99
02:13:56.000 And that's what these people don't understand when they're talking shit to you and they're attacking you and trying to get your attention. 0.99
02:14:03.000 What you're doing is you're showing the flaws in your plan of life. 0.99
02:14:10.000 Your plan of life is to shit on successful people and not become successful. 0.99
02:14:15.000 You've taken all this energy and turned it into hate and just hoping someone falls, hoping someone gets Ronda Rousey'd. 0.99
02:14:22.000 Yes!
02:14:23.000 I knew she was nothing! 0.99
02:14:25.000 I knew it all along!
02:14:27.000 There's so many people that love that.
02:14:29.000 They love when someone falls. 0.98
02:14:31.000 And what they really love is someone that no longer makes them feel like shit because of their accomplishments. 0.97
02:14:39.000 That's what they really love. 0.87
02:14:40.000 When they watch someone fail, they don't necessarily love failure.
02:14:44.000 What they love is they've been alleviated of that feeling of inadequacy.
02:14:49.000 That's what they really love.
02:14:51.000 And they get to attack.
02:14:52.000 Yeah!
02:14:54.000 Now I get the green light.
02:14:56.000 Yeah! 0.99
02:14:57.000 It's like when someone loses, when they get knocked out, it's like a starter's pistol for cunts. 1.00
02:15:01.000 Pow! 0.99
02:15:02.000 Go! 1.00
02:15:03.000 They just fucking go, man. 1.00
02:15:05.000 They just run and start. 1.00
02:15:06.000 But they don't understand it's bad for you.
02:15:09.000 It's bad for them, like you.
02:15:10.000 It's not good for you.
02:15:12.000 It's not healthy.
02:15:12.000 It's not smart.
02:15:13.000 You're wasting all that time hating on people and shitting on people. 0.98
02:15:18.000 I saw this guy the other day who was shitting on this fighter, and I went to his Twitter page, and his Twitter page was completely dedicated, like the name of the Twitter page was dedicated to shitting on this fighter, and all the tweets, and someone called him a troll, 0.98
02:15:33.000 and he's like, I'm not a troll. 0.98
02:15:34.000 Trolls hit and run.
02:15:35.000 I'm here for the long run. 1.00
02:15:38.000 You're gonna get fucked up like that guy Josh Neer did. 1.00
02:15:40.000 That's what's gonna happen. 1.00
02:15:41.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:15:42.000 Or Deontay Wilder.
02:15:44.000 Did you ever see that?
02:15:44.000 Uh-uh.
02:15:45.000 Deontay Wilder beat the fuck. 1.00
02:15:46.000 Some guy came to his gym, and Deontay beat the fuck out of him, knocked him down, hit him when he was down. 0.99
02:15:53.000 I mean, this guy was not even a big guy, and he's in there sparring with...
02:15:57.000 I think he hadn't won the heavyweight title yet.
02:16:01.000 He's the heavyweight boxing champion.
02:16:03.000 One of the heavyweight boxing champions.
02:16:05.000 Next to Tyson Fury.
02:16:06.000 I don't know what...
02:16:07.000 You know, that's the other problem with boxing is it's so fractioned because there's so many different...
02:16:12.000 You know, like Bellator will say, the Bellator world title. 0.97
02:16:15.000 Well, you know for a fact if Bellator puts on a 125-pound title fight, that shit is not for the world title. 0.97
02:16:22.000 No, what's that? 0.98
02:16:24.000 There's one world...
02:16:25.000 What do you got there?
02:16:26.000 Oh, go ahead.
02:16:26.000 Go take a leak, man.
02:16:29.000 He's holding it in so bad, he's limping.
02:16:32.000 That's hilarious. 0.86
02:16:34.000 Ladies and gentlemen, Mighty Mouse Johnson, he wrote on a piece of paper, I need to piss.
02:16:38.000 We're going to auction that off on eBay.
02:16:40.000 If you'd like to get in on that. 0.99
02:16:43.000 While he's peeing, let me tell you about some shits coming up. 0.99
02:16:47.000 Next Wednesday, there's a show at the Ice House. 0.99
02:16:51.000 Al Madrigal...
02:16:53.000 Tony Hinchcliffe, Greg Fitzsimmons, and probably more.
02:16:56.000 These shows sell out pretty quick.
02:16:58.000 It's a 10 p.m.
02:16:59.000 show, and it's $15, and it's next Wednesday at the Ice House in Pasadena.
02:17:03.000 Then December 11th, this is a big show in Vegas at the Codd Theater with Joey Diaz and me.
02:17:10.000 Joey Diaz is on fire.
02:17:13.000 He's on fire.
02:17:14.000 Last night, I've never seen anybody funnier.
02:17:16.000 Last night, people were crying, like tears. 0.97
02:17:19.000 I don't really say what the bit's about, but goddamn, he's got this bit. 0.97
02:17:23.000 I'll say it's about eggs. 0.97
02:17:25.000 But it's not.
02:17:26.000 It's about life. 0.99
02:17:29.000 I got a bunch of other shit coming up too. 0.98
02:17:31.000 I'm at the Beacon Theater on January 29th in New York City. 0.84
02:17:35.000 Tickets, the pre-sale went on sale today.
02:17:38.000 And then Boston, we just added a third show today.
02:17:43.000 Two shows sold out at the Wilbur on Friday and Saturday night.
02:17:47.000 We added a late show on Friday night.
02:17:48.000 We'll probably add a late show on Saturday night too because that's my hometown.
02:17:53.000 And he's back, ladies and gentlemen.
02:17:55.000 We are back.
02:17:55.000 Perfect timing.
02:17:55.000 I'm fucking feeling refreshed.
02:17:57.000 So, hi. 0.94
02:17:57.000 Here's another question. 0.94
02:17:58.000 Dude, I got a bladder, man.
02:17:59.000 I can't even pee right now.
02:18:01.000 I can hang in there.
02:18:02.000 It's because you go hunting.
02:18:02.000 That's why.
02:18:03.000 No, it's because of doing this podcast.
02:18:05.000 That's what it is.
02:18:05.000 Just my bladder grew from doing this podcast.
02:18:08.000 From six years of doing three-hour conversations.
02:18:12.000 That's amazing, by the way.
02:18:13.000 I just keep...
02:18:14.000 Look, I had two beers.
02:18:15.000 I had a coffee before I got here.
02:18:18.000 Here's a quick question.
02:18:20.000 What are your thoughts on if...
02:18:21.000 Do you think Ronda Rousey should do the rematch with Holly Holm right now? 1.00
02:18:24.000 No.
02:18:25.000 Who do you think she should fight next? 1.00
02:18:25.000 Well, I don't think she should do the rematch right now because of her head. 1.00
02:18:28.000 I think she experienced some significant head trauma in that fight. 1.00
02:18:31.000 And I think anybody that says any differently is an asshole. 1.00
02:18:34.000 That's what I think. 1.00
02:18:35.000 I really do.
02:18:36.000 I think traumatic brain injury is something that has gotten me more and more concerned over the last few years.
02:18:43.000 Because of talking to doctors, I've had this one doctor, Dr. Mark Gordon, who works with a lot of soldiers, football players.
02:18:51.000 He's worked with some combat sports athletes as well, where he relays the issues with traumatic brain injury, the damage to the pituitary gland, the damage to your body's ability to produce hormones, depression, and all the issues that come along with concussions,
02:19:07.000 and how those are exacerbated by ignoring them or by trying to work through them or by getting...
02:19:14.000 Injured again, close to the concussion, which makes it way, way worse.
02:19:19.000 When I look at guys that have had to exit the sport, like T.J. Grant, who's about to fight for the title, and had to get out of the sport.
02:19:27.000 He's in a mine now.
02:19:28.000 He works for a mine in Canada.
02:19:31.000 And I just think that traumatic brain injury, although I love this sport, is one of the most overlooked and more dangerous aspects.
02:19:39.000 Now, you don't hear guys like Dana talk about it and you rarely hear people talk about it outside of someone like me because they're promoters and because that's their bread and butter.
02:19:52.000 I can't do that, because for me, my bread and butter is me being honest.
02:19:59.000 That's my business.
02:20:00.000 My business is I gotta say what I really think.
02:20:03.000 And what I really think is she needs a comprehensive overhaul of her game, of her MMA game. 0.99
02:20:11.000 I think she needs to look at, like, how she's preparing, and she needs to take into consideration all the problems that were exposed in that fight.
02:20:20.000 And she needs to re- reassess and re-address. 1.00
02:20:23.000 And I also think she has too many fucking distractions. 1.00
02:20:26.000 I think she has too much going on. 0.99
02:20:28.000 She's doing a Roadhouse movie.
02:20:29.000 Roadhouse!
02:20:30.000 She did the Entourage movie. 0.98
02:20:31.000 She's doing, you know, who knows what fucking movie contracts and scripts, and her phone's probably blowing up all day. 1.00
02:20:37.000 That's all fine when you're fighting Betch Cohea. 0.98
02:20:42.000 Nothing to take away from Betch Cohea, but Betch Cohea, she's like a mechanical or robotic sort of a puncher. 1.00
02:20:50.000 She kicks, you know, kind of robotic. 0.65
02:20:52.000 There's no real threat of explosion.
02:20:55.000 There's no real submission threat.
02:20:57.000 I'm not saying that Betch can't eventually put that in her game, but as right now, when I look at her, when she fought Shanna Baszler, I'm looking at a robotic fighter.
02:21:08.000 It's so robotic, you're laughing.
02:21:10.000 I think she needs to really look at the whole...
02:21:14.000 I mean, like we said, MMA is problem solving, right?
02:21:19.000 There was obviously a bunch of new problems that were exposed in that fight.
02:21:23.000 And one of the big ones is the difference between hitting mitts Sparring with people that aren't really strikers and fighting a 19-time world boxing champion.
02:21:33.000 Who's also an outstanding kickboxer, who's also an outstanding athlete, who's also incredibly mentally tough, who also has a fantastic, real, professional MMA camp filled with champions, potential champions, world-class contenders. 0.94
02:21:48.000 Mike Winklejohn is one of the best fucking striking coaches in the world. 0.57
02:21:52.000 Greg Jackson, who's a master strategist, and they've gone over this with a fine-tooth comb. 0.97
02:21:57.000 There's no yes-men.
02:21:59.000 There is no...
02:22:00.000 Yeah, when you hear...
02:22:02.000 And that's the thing, too.
02:22:03.000 I guess when you heard Holly Holm say, like, there were a couple of times I got into the gym and I would just cry.
02:22:08.000 Just cry.
02:22:09.000 That's not going to win me the world championship.
02:22:11.000 And then she'll come back.
02:22:12.000 And I'm not saying...
02:22:14.000 I don't know if Ronda Rousey has ever felt that way.
02:22:16.000 If she's like, I'm not going to...
02:22:17.000 That's not going to beat Holly Holm. 1.00
02:22:19.000 You know what I mean?
02:22:19.000 Yeah.
02:22:20.000 But it's almost like when you bring up how many people she's been training with, Rico John, and the different aspects of my show.
02:22:25.000 She has different types of fighters there. 1.00
02:22:27.000 John Doxon's there.
02:22:29.000 Carlos Condit.
02:22:29.000 John Jones has been there.
02:22:30.000 So she's surrounded by other fighters. 0.95
02:22:33.000 That's all these fighters do. 0.98
02:22:35.000 With Ronna, she's been able to expand her brand and go into movies and do all that stuff to have that income coming in to where... 0.99
02:22:43.000 I don't know if anybody else around her is still on that, have that hunger, like, no, this is what you gotta do.
02:22:48.000 This is the goal.
02:22:49.000 This is what pays the bills.
02:22:50.000 Yeah, and that money is so great from those movies.
02:22:53.000 She's got agents. 1.00
02:22:55.000 Her agents were out there in Melbourne with her.
02:22:57.000 Oh, really?
02:22:57.000 Yeah, man.
02:22:58.000 Movie agents! 1.00
02:23:00.000 You're fucking in a fight, you know? 0.99
02:23:02.000 Look, man, I go back to the days when Mike Tyson had that fucking down jacket on and he was running at 5 o'clock in the morning and he was 19 years old and they asked him, why do you run at 5 o'clock in the morning? 0.99
02:23:15.000 And he was like, I run at 5 o'clock in the morning because I believe that my opponent is in bed and I believe it gives me an edge. 0.95
02:23:21.000 He's not getting movie scripts.
02:23:24.000 Yeah. 0.99
02:23:24.000 He's not thinking about writing a book or dodging some fucking paparazzi. 0.99
02:23:30.000 He's an animal. 1.00
02:23:31.000 He's out there being Jack Dempsey.
02:23:33.000 He's being the best he can be.
02:23:36.000 He's out there with a singular drive.
02:23:39.000 I think you have to be obsessed with fighting, and it has to be your overwhelming, consuming passion.
02:23:45.000 And I think as soon as you start giving up little pieces of real estate, you start Making little subdivisions in your brain.
02:23:51.000 Well, you know what?
02:23:52.000 I'll just put a little side for my little TV show that I'm going to work on, and I'm going to start my own production company.
02:24:00.000 I'm looking to the future. 0.98
02:24:01.000 The future is a fucking left high kick. 0.99
02:24:04.000 That's the future. 1.00
02:24:05.000 That's who you need to be preparing for. 1.00
02:24:07.000 Fuck all this roadhouse bullshit, because that movie's going to come and go, and you're not going to notice whether or not... 1.00
02:24:12.000 Look, Rhonda made some insane amount of money in the last couple years, right? 1.00
02:24:16.000 Oh, yeah.
02:24:16.000 Some insane amount of money.
02:24:17.000 I mean, depending on who you ask, she made between $6 and $10 million over the last couple years.
02:24:23.000 Okay.
02:24:24.000 So let's just stop right there and look at that.
02:24:27.000 If you make...
02:24:28.000 A million bucks for Roadhouse or two million bucks.
02:24:31.000 You're not gonna know that.
02:24:32.000 You're not gonna notice that money.
02:24:34.000 No, that's not what I'm saying.
02:24:35.000 You don't know the difference between six and eight million.
02:24:39.000 Doesn't mean anything. 0.97
02:24:41.000 Unless you're a crazy person who constantly needs to buy things.
02:24:44.000 When you have a certain amount of money, everything becomes free.
02:24:47.000 That's what it is.
02:24:48.000 It's like you want to go buy a laptop.
02:24:50.000 Buy a laptop. 1.00
02:24:51.000 You just fucking give them the credit card. 1.00
02:24:52.000 You don't even think about it. 0.99
02:24:53.000 When you're broke, you go, how much is a laptop?
02:24:55.000 $2,000? 1.00
02:24:56.000 Shit. 1.00
02:24:56.000 I still fucking do it now. 1.00
02:24:58.000 Right. 0.99
02:24:58.000 Well, you're smart. 0.99
02:24:59.000 You're smart.
02:25:00.000 You're frugal.
02:25:01.000 But when you've got $10 million in the bank, what you're supposed to do...
02:25:05.000 Is to realize, okay, well now, money is not an issue anymore.
02:25:12.000 So why would I want to go out and try to search for these new ventures instead of, okay, right now, I'm fighting right now.
02:25:17.000 This is where I'm going to put my eggs and all my focus on.
02:25:20.000 And there's no reason why I need to go out and do this movie.
02:25:24.000 But it might be Italian.
02:25:25.000 Here's the reason.
02:25:25.000 The problem is, you let the door open to the vampires, the agents.
02:25:31.000 Like, ah.
02:25:33.000 And they come in.
02:25:35.000 It's just a door.
02:25:38.000 You let the door open to the vampires and they...
02:25:40.000 They slide into your house and they go, there's so much money on the table, Rhonda.
02:25:46.000 There's so much money to be made.
02:25:48.000 What about films?
02:25:50.000 Entourage? 1.00
02:25:51.000 If you fucking spent a moment of your life preparing for that piece of shit movie, that's a moment wasted, right? 1.00
02:25:58.000 It's a fact. 1.00
02:25:59.000 You're doing the most noble, courageous, terrifying thing in all of sports.
02:26:04.000 You're becoming the most dominant and recognizable female champion of all time. 0.98
02:26:09.000 Just spend any time away from that doing some shitty movie, some nonsense... 0.98
02:26:14.000 Agent-created catastrophe of culture. 1.00
02:26:18.000 That's a waste.
02:26:19.000 It's a waste.
02:26:20.000 But there's a lot of money in that waste.
02:26:21.000 You might make a half a million bucks.
02:26:23.000 You might make a million.
02:26:24.000 Who knows what you make?
02:26:25.000 The point is that all that stuff came about because of her.
02:26:30.000 Of her fighting, and because of her success, and because of her dominance. 0.93
02:26:34.000 And as soon as that success and dominance goes away, then all that money erodes away.
02:26:38.000 So you open the door to the vampires, the vampires suck your blood, and then you're left there dehydrated and emaciated. 0.60
02:26:44.000 You're like, what happened? 0.71
02:26:45.000 You open the door!
02:26:47.000 You open the door and you let them in.
02:26:48.000 And I don't necessarily think anybody other than her mother, who's just a badass herself, I don't think there's a lot of people that are going to tell her that, you know?
02:26:58.000 So what would you say?
02:27:00.000 So here's a good example.
02:27:01.000 So does Ron leave that door closed and be like, you know what, no, I'm going to focus on fighting.
02:27:05.000 And they'll be like, well, this door is going to be open again.
02:27:08.000 The only way that door is really open now, honestly, is if she wins.
02:27:12.000 Right now that door is not open anymore.
02:27:14.000 No, I mean, I'm saying though, like let's say, let's say after the Betch Grahera fight, she never did Entourage.
02:27:20.000 She never did Fast and Furious 7. She just kept on fighting, kept on fighting, kept on fighting, kept on fighting. 1.00
02:27:24.000 And let's say she's the greatest, she beat Anderson Silva's record.
02:27:28.000 She's defended the title 50 times.
02:27:31.000 And let's say she missed the opportunity to open that door. 0.83
02:27:33.000 But the money she's made on fighting, just the money she's made on fighting. 1.00
02:27:38.000 It's insane.
02:27:39.000 She's in a different stratosphere because there's never been a woman that's been dominant like that, that's been a world-class fighter that's appeared in all these Metro PCS commercials. 1.00
02:27:53.000 All that shit's fine. 0.97
02:27:55.000 It's when you start going off into movies. 0.99
02:27:57.000 Who else has been like her?
02:27:59.000 There's no one.
02:28:00.000 No one's been like her.
02:28:01.000 So she's made all that money just from fighting. 1.00
02:28:05.000 I think when you stretch out, you get greedy.
02:28:07.000 You start going for all that other stuff. 0.98
02:28:09.000 Like, there's some cool shit.
02:28:10.000 Like, I love the idea of the Roadhouse movie, but the Roadhouse movie doesn't work anymore. 0.91
02:28:14.000 Yeah.
02:28:14.000 The Roadhouse movie only works when she's the badass.
02:28:16.000 Yeah.
02:28:17.000 Ah, gotcha. 1.00
02:28:18.000 Now you want Holly Holm to be the fucking bouncer. 1.00
02:28:20.000 How funny would that be if they're like, Holly Holm shows, walks in the door like, oh, oh, oh. 0.99
02:28:23.000 Yeah.
02:28:24.000 Rhonda, we need to talk to you for a moment. 1.00
02:28:26.000 The fucking vampires are all polarised. 1.00
02:28:29.000 You know, well, we've looked at your Q rating. 1.00
02:28:31.000 You know, there's like a Q rating thing. 0.99
02:28:33.000 There's like this fucking guy that I know who's an actor. 0.99
02:28:35.000 He's a nice guy. 1.00
02:28:35.000 He's a fucking idiot. 1.00
02:28:36.000 But he goes, you ever look at your Q rating? 1.00
02:28:40.000 I go, what are you talking about?
02:28:40.000 There's a website you can go to.
02:28:42.000 You find out.
02:28:42.000 Well, we're obsessed with it.
02:28:44.000 Sometimes I'm more famous and sometimes I'm not.
02:28:46.000 And I close his laptop. 1.00
02:28:47.000 I'm like, what the fuck? 1.00
02:28:48.000 What the fuck are you doing? 1.00
02:28:49.000 Get away from that! 1.00
02:28:50.000 This is poison!
02:28:51.000 This is occupying your thoughts.
02:28:53.000 You have children.
02:28:54.000 You have hobbies.
02:28:56.000 You have things you like to do.
02:28:56.000 Do those things.
02:28:58.000 Concentrate on being the best you can be.
02:29:00.000 Concentrating on this random algorithm that decides how famous you are in any given moment?
02:29:05.000 That's insanity, man.
02:29:07.000 Go take a yoga class.
02:29:08.000 You need to do some mushrooms and go out in the forest and find yourself.
02:29:12.000 You need to take him.
02:29:13.000 He's too hard.
02:29:15.000 He's too much.
02:29:16.000 He's got a lot of Jesus in his head, too.
02:29:18.000 There's a lot going on with this one particular dude.
02:29:20.000 But this idea that you concentrate on what got you to the dance.
02:29:27.000 And what got Ronna to the dance is this singular focus that she had in judo, which made her this dominant judo fighter, right? 0.99
02:29:34.000 And then she enters into MMA, and there was no grappler that could fuck with her, man. 1.00
02:29:39.000 She's hip-tossing bitches. 1.00
02:29:40.000 She's throwing them on their heads. 1.00
02:29:42.000 I mean, she was just so spectacular with her arm bars. 1.00
02:29:46.000 But she found someone that had the kind of potential and that had the kind of talent that she did in a singular discipline, but it was a singular discipline that she didn't have.
02:29:55.000 That discipline was kickboxing, you know, and boxing, striking, which is not her strong suit.
02:30:01.000 See, that's the thing.
02:30:01.000 I always had to try to be...
02:30:05.000 Open with all the fighters.
02:30:06.000 I asked TJ how you feel about sparring and all that stuff.
02:30:09.000 I'd like to ask her, how much kickboxing do you do on a daily basis?
02:30:12.000 Do you ever do any kickboxing?
02:30:14.000 I still take classes.
02:30:15.000 When there's classes going to AMC, I take Muay Thai classes.
02:30:19.000 Good for you, man.
02:30:19.000 Good for you.
02:30:20.000 That's how you get better.
02:30:21.000 I always feel that there's something I can still learn, even though how many fights.
02:30:25.000 Or even with Jiu-Jitsu.
02:30:26.000 I just put on Nagi.
02:30:27.000 So I wonder, how much kickboxing do you do...
02:30:38.000 Oh, yeah, man.
02:30:49.000 They do, but they don't.
02:30:51.000 It's like, how much of that do you really need?
02:30:53.000 How much of that is really beneficial?
02:30:55.000 Like, what is the difference between, like, what Ronda brings to the table, and if all that stuff was so beneficial, well, how come, you know, how come other fighters who do the same amount of work don't get the same amount of reaction to it?
02:31:08.000 Well, it's because the results inside the octagon are what's most important.
02:31:13.000 Yeah, oh yeah, absolutely. 0.99
02:31:14.000 All those interviews don't mean shit. 0.97
02:31:16.000 If you're boring, you know, if you can't make it happen. 0.95
02:31:22.000 If, like, I watch your skills and I'm like, oh my god, this is, like, clunky and there's nothing good here.
02:31:29.000 It's not going to be worth it.
02:31:31.000 Yeah.
02:31:31.000 And the only way to take clunky and make it better is to singular focus.
02:31:36.000 You have to be driven and it has to be only what you think of.
02:31:40.000 You have to be obsessed. 0.99
02:31:41.000 You have to be crazy. 0.99
02:31:43.000 I mean, you know it. 1.00
02:31:44.000 Oh, yeah.
02:31:44.000 No, no, dude.
02:31:46.000 Yeah, can't wait till the lights go off so we can talk a little bit more behind scenes, dude.
02:31:50.000 I'm sure.
02:31:50.000 I don't like the model.
02:31:52.000 I don't like the model of these athletes having to do all these interviews.
02:31:56.000 I don't like their training being interrupted.
02:31:58.000 I don't like their rest being interrupted.
02:31:59.000 I don't like any of these things.
02:32:01.000 I think these things are counterintuitive.
02:32:03.000 I think the same result that you get out of that could be gotten with a narrator like they do on those Showtime things when they get...
02:32:11.000 What's his name?
02:32:12.000 Leif... 1.00
02:32:13.000 What the fuck's that guy's name? 0.99
02:32:14.000 The guy who's in, um... 0.99
02:32:16.000 Yeah, Leif Schreiber, right? 1.00
02:32:17.000 That guy's a bad motherfucker. 1.00
02:32:18.000 He's a great narrator. 1.00
02:32:20.000 Like, or, you know, you get...
02:32:21.000 Who's the other guy from Pulp Fiction?
02:32:24.000 Ving Rhames. 1.00
02:32:24.000 Ving Rhames is good at that shit, too. 1.00
02:32:26.000 Like, you get a good narrator, you show training footage, and you have the occasional interview. 1.00
02:32:31.000 Maybe you have one interview a week.
02:32:32.000 That way you get...
02:32:33.000 It's almost like there's a point in time to where I saw so much of Connor or Rhonda.
02:32:39.000 And I was like, okay, I'm getting a little...
02:32:41.000 And I love Connor very good to death.
02:32:44.000 You gotta get in there!
02:32:45.000 Get in there! 0.99
02:32:45.000 Get in there! 0.99
02:32:47.000 I was on the couch just laughing. 0.99
02:32:49.000 I can watch this all fucking day. 1.00
02:32:51.000 Put your red panties on. 1.00
02:32:53.000 We made it.
02:32:54.000 But then it came a point in time where every single time we watched something, I would see him over and over. 0.99
02:33:00.000 And I was like, I'm going to change the fucking channel. 0.97
02:33:03.000 But then he went away for a while. 0.99
02:33:05.000 Then he started doing something, and I was like...
02:33:07.000 Go on.
02:33:08.000 What were you saying?
02:33:11.000 I totally agree with you.
02:33:13.000 It's like an elusive girlfriend. 1.00
02:33:15.000 Where are you, bitch? 1.00
02:33:17.000 I'm texting you all day. 1.00
02:33:18.000 I miss the fuck out of you. 0.99
02:33:20.000 That's what it's like. 0.99
02:33:21.000 If a girl's texting you all day, you're like, no!
02:33:23.000 Leave me alone! 1.00
02:33:24.000 I'm working out!
02:33:27.000 That's the thing.
02:33:28.000 You can never find the right recipe to do it because you've only had so many athletes be able to come into multi-platform stars.
02:33:38.000 As me, as a fighter, I want to get to that point to where I can make...
02:33:41.000 I wish I could make $10 million.
02:33:44.000 If I had $10 million in the bank... 1.00
02:33:46.000 Fuck, I'll tell you what, right now, it would just... 1.00
02:33:48.000 Well, my focus has always been mixed martial arts, but... 1.00
02:33:52.000 Yeah, I don't fucking know. 0.90
02:33:53.000 DJ, you ain't gonna have a fight anymore, dude. 0.96
02:33:55.000 We gonna call it a shot.
02:33:57.000 Come on, we just gonna train on it.
02:33:58.000 Do you think you would call it a shot?
02:33:58.000 You think it would stop?
02:33:59.000 Nah.
02:33:59.000 You'd stop competing?
02:34:00.000 Nah, I fucking love it. 0.98
02:34:01.000 Yeah, you'd still compete. 0.95
02:34:03.000 But I'll tell you what, I bet you wouldn't do any interviews.
02:34:06.000 No, I still would.
02:34:06.000 My phone broke.
02:34:07.000 No, no, I still would.
02:34:09.000 TJ keeps breaking his phones.
02:34:12.000 No, I still would.
02:34:13.000 I think, you know, in reality, when I tell people, when I jumped in this sport, it was not to make money.
02:34:19.000 It was not to...
02:34:20.000 There was no 125. There was no 135 or 45 or 55. I didn't even know about the UFC when I first did it.
02:34:28.000 I saw the Ultimate Fighter, but it was Forrest Griffin and Rashad Evans and those guys working out.
02:34:33.000 So there was no little guy running around.
02:34:35.000 I didn't even know about Shuto.
02:34:36.000 I didn't even know about Japan.
02:34:37.000 Well, for the longest time, 155 was the lightest weight loss for the longest time.
02:34:41.000 Exactly.
02:34:41.000 Remember when we didn't even have a 155?
02:34:43.000 Yeah.
02:34:44.000 Remember when it was a 170? 0.99
02:34:45.000 Fucking Sean Shirk fighting GSP. Yeah. 0.99
02:34:48.000 So there was no, there was no, we were like...
02:34:50.000 There wasn't even a 55. Yeah.
02:34:52.000 It was recently.
02:34:53.000 Yeah, but now you have people like, they get out of high school, I'm going to be a professional fighter. 1.00
02:34:57.000 Motherfucker, you know what that takes. 1.00
02:34:59.000 You know how much money you're going to make. 1.00
02:35:00.000 You know, homeboy, McDonald's is making more money than you, and you consider yourself a professional fighter.
02:35:05.000 And that's where, like, I didn't have that.
02:35:07.000 So that's why I think, like, my outside on, like, my insight on, like, I'm either going to win or lose.
02:35:13.000 I think that helps me to where now they built this model to where it's like...
02:35:17.000 You can be a UFC professional fighter and you can do all these great things which is absolutely amazing.
02:35:24.000 I'm not bagging on that model at all because it's given me the opportunity to sit here in front of you and have this conversation and for me and my wife to be able to travel the world and see things but I think that people really need to look at it And dissect it before they jump all into it.
02:35:41.000 Yeah, and I think one of the more devastating things about this Reebok situation is that fighters can't make money outside of their paycheck.
02:35:48.000 I want to elaborate on that. 0.96
02:35:51.000 Here's my piece, even though you didn't fucking ask for it. 0.97
02:35:53.000 Please do. 0.98
02:35:54.000 I think the Reebok deal is good.
02:35:55.000 How dare you? 0.99
02:35:56.000 I'm going to keep it fucking real. 0.99
02:35:58.000 I'm going to keep it real. 0.98
02:35:59.000 There's been times where I fought and I never got paid.
02:36:03.000 There's been times where we were going and negotiating about...
02:36:07.000 Sponsors?
02:36:08.000 Sponsors.
02:36:09.000 One time there was a point in time where Xbox had told me, like, dude, we have nothing for you.
02:36:13.000 I mean, we have...
02:36:14.000 You know, there's nothing we can give to you.
02:36:17.000 And I was like, alright, well...
02:36:20.000 Xbox?
02:36:21.000 Xbox.
02:36:22.000 This is after you already had a contract with them?
02:36:24.000 I never had a contract with those guys.
02:36:26.000 So they would just pay you fight to fight?
02:36:27.000 Fight to fight, yeah.
02:36:29.000 And that's the thing. 0.99
02:36:30.000 People think when you have the Xbox sponsorship, you're directly working with fucking Bill Gates. 0.98
02:36:34.000 You're not. 0.99
02:36:34.000 Right. 0.99
02:36:34.000 Should be. 0.99
02:36:35.000 Where you at, Bill? 1.00
02:36:35.000 That would be fucking dope. 1.00
02:36:36.000 Where you at, Bill? 1.00
02:36:38.000 Nick Diaz style.
02:36:39.000 Where you at, Bill?
02:36:40.000 Yeah.
02:36:42.000 That's what you have to fight.
02:36:43.000 Point to the Xbox logo.
02:36:45.000 Yeah, so there'll be point times where, you know, if there's not something coming up where they can advertise or anything, but there's point times where I take in a fight and I got no sponsorship money whatsoever.
02:36:56.000 And I went out there and I destroyed my opponent.
02:36:58.000 And people were like, how could you do that?
02:37:00.000 How could you do that?
02:37:01.000 But at the end of the day, I take a step back and look at it like, this is fighting.
02:37:04.000 I've done this to show myself to be the best fighter in the world.
02:37:09.000 And I would do it because I'm fishing.
02:37:11.000 I'm hoping that one day they're like, dude, we want to set you up and get you taken care of and all that stuff.
02:37:16.000 And it just shows you that I'm the type of fighter to go out there and snoop around and try to like, hey, hey, hey, hey, you want to response me?
02:37:23.000 Well, that's where some managers, Absolutely.
02:37:26.000 They come into play, but I think the integrity that I had as a human being and as an athlete that was like, you know what, I've been rocking Xbox the whole entire time, and why am I going to run off and go throw this person on my shorts because they're going to throw me $60,000.
02:37:41.000 Because it's $60,000.
02:37:43.000 Absolutely.
02:37:44.000 But I have to go out there and finagle with that person.
02:37:46.000 Well, you shouldn't have to.
02:37:48.000 I see what you're saying.
02:37:49.000 I know that.
02:37:50.000 But the last thing I want to do is have my manager do that.
02:37:53.000 Because the only person who...
02:37:55.000 There's me, and there's Matt Hume, and there's everybody else.
02:37:59.000 That's my manager, my trainer, my soul.
02:38:02.000 He does all that stuff.
02:38:03.000 Well, that's interesting, because that's rare.
02:38:05.000 Most guys have, like, a manager, or a lot of guys have.
02:38:09.000 He's a manager, manager, yeah.
02:38:10.000 Yeah, but Matt is a trainer, as well as a manager, as well as, you know, I mean, he's like, he's kind of like an all-encompassing, you just have a very fortunate situation.
02:38:19.000 Yeah.
02:38:19.000 I like it that way because I trust him.
02:38:22.000 He wants the best for Demetrius Johnson.
02:38:23.000 Right.
02:38:24.000 And I want the best for Matt Hume. 0.98
02:38:26.000 And so the last thing I want doing is having fucking Matt running around town trying to skimmy. 0.97
02:38:30.000 I totally understand that. 0.99
02:38:31.000 And now with Reebok, we don't have to worry about that.
02:38:34.000 Don't get me wrong. 0.95
02:38:34.000 It is fucked up for somebody to have their first professional fight and make $2,500. 0.95
02:38:38.000 They can make more money from fucking McDonald's sponsorship for Chicken McNuggets than they have a dollar special going on. 0.99
02:38:45.000 Well, it's guys like Brandon Schaub that were making more than $100,000 a fight. 0.98
02:38:49.000 I'd like to see the paycheck for that.
02:38:51.000 I saw it.
02:38:51.000 I saw all his financials.
02:38:53.000 Well, there we go.
02:38:54.000 I asked him because he was telling me this and I said, I can't say that I know that you did this unless you give me all your financials.
02:39:01.000 So he sent me all his financials.
02:39:04.000 He made $140,000 for one of his fights and sponsors.
02:39:07.000 How about Vitor, man?
02:39:09.000 Vitor is losing millions.
02:39:11.000 According to his wife, who I have no reason to doubt, he's losing millions of dollars.
02:39:16.000 That's why I think they should come out straight up and be like, dude, you know what?
02:39:19.000 When Reebok deal first came out, like I said, the one thing I love about the Reebok deal is that I don't have to run around and try to finagle with anybody.
02:39:26.000 I appreciate that. 0.96
02:39:27.000 If I was making millions and millions of dollars as sponsorship, I would fucking come out and be like, Yeah, you'd hate it. 0.92
02:39:36.000 Hey, Dana White, I know you got the sports being all great and stuff, but I'm making $2 million on sponsorships. 0.99
02:39:43.000 You don't fucking believe me? 0.97
02:39:45.000 Here's the paycheck. 1.00
02:39:46.000 I'll post this bitch online to show the whole world that, yes, Reebok's all good and stuff, but I'm missing $2 million. 0.90
02:39:51.000 So you tell me what's right for the fighters and what's right for the sport. 0.97
02:39:56.000 In all honesty, I don't think the UFC knew how much fighters were making.
02:39:59.000 That's one of the reasons why Dana was saying that Brennan Shaw was a liar.
02:40:02.000 I don't think he knew.
02:40:03.000 Well, he knows now.
02:40:04.000 Well, he knows.
02:40:05.000 I mean, I just don't think they knew.
02:40:08.000 I think they made a mistake in that regard.
02:40:11.000 And I think that their idea was that this is a gigantic sponsor that's going to up the profile of the sport.
02:40:18.000 Yeah, absolutely.
02:40:19.000 I honestly...
02:40:21.000 Trueheartedly believe that when the UFC wouldn't, or even Reebok wouldn't deal with Reebok.
02:40:27.000 When UFC and Reebok shook hands, I think it was for the better the sport, better for the fighters.
02:40:32.000 I don't think that anyone was like...
02:40:34.000 What's he doing?
02:40:36.000 He didn't do any of that.
02:40:37.000 If he did, he'd probably be way more paranoid.
02:40:39.000 Well, I don't know.
02:40:40.000 Trust me.
02:40:42.000 I feel that when they went into that, they were hoping for the best for both sides, for the fighters and the UFC and the sport itself.
02:40:51.000 No, I don't think they would ever do something they thought would hurt the UFC or hurt the fighters.
02:40:55.000 I just think that it probably should have been investigated a little bit more thoroughly, and it probably should have been handled a little bit more competently.
02:41:05.000 Then you wouldn't have Anderson Aldo t-shirts. 0.98
02:41:08.000 You wouldn't have Anthony Pettis being called the fucking mauler on their website. 0.97
02:41:12.000 Hey, hey, somebody just found out that I had shirts on there. 0.95
02:41:15.000 So some dude was like, dude, I can't find your shirts on there.
02:41:16.000 I was like, uh, I don't know.
02:41:18.000 I looked and I was like, oh, here they are.
02:41:20.000 He goes, I've been looking all fucking day and I couldn't even find them.
02:41:23.000 Schaub wouldn't even sign the deal. 0.81
02:41:24.000 They keep coming to him to sign the deal.
02:41:25.000 He's like, not interested.
02:41:27.000 I didn't sign a deal.
02:41:28.000 Yeah, well, they won't send his stuff.
02:41:31.000 They won't sell his stuff unless he signs a deal.
02:41:33.000 He just won't do it.
02:41:34.000 Good for him.
02:41:35.000 He's probably most likely going to retire anyway.
02:41:37.000 He did retire, didn't he?
02:41:38.000 Sort of, kind of.
02:41:39.000 That's why at the end of the day, I'm at the point in my career where I know that I have to...
02:41:43.000 And Dan White's told me this from day one.
02:41:46.000 I remember the UFC fight or something he used to do.
02:41:47.000 He was like, you guys have to use the platform that we're providing you guys to be able to market yourself.
02:41:52.000 And I never realized what he was saying until now I'm in this point in my career.
02:41:57.000 Like, I have...
02:41:58.000 I've defended my title seven times.
02:42:03.000 I always refer to myself as a red-headed stepchild that I don't get the same type of publicity as other fighters do, which I'm totally fine with it.
02:42:12.000 What's interesting is that a guy like Conor is only 20 pounds heavier than you.
02:42:16.000 Yeah.
02:42:16.000 It's not a size difference.
02:42:18.000 That was a big fucking size difference. 0.99
02:42:20.000 20 pounds. 0.99
02:42:21.000 I've stood next to the man. 0.99
02:42:22.000 He's fucking tiring over me. 0.99
02:42:23.000 He can see the ball on top of it. 1.00
02:42:25.000 He can probably see his reflection in this shiny ball of head, my friend.
02:42:27.000 Isn't it weird, though, that it's only 20 pounds?
02:42:29.000 Yeah, it's true.
02:42:30.000 It's only 20 pounds, but it's, you know...
02:42:33.000 It's the way life is.
02:42:34.000 As somebody told me, people like to see bigger people fight.
02:42:38.000 Okay, but how come TJ Dillshaw gets a ton of press?
02:42:41.000 He's only 10 pounds heavier than you.
02:42:42.000 I don't know.
02:42:43.000 There you go, right?
02:42:44.000 You think he's because I'm black? 0.99
02:42:46.000 Because you're black? 0.99
02:42:47.000 No. 0.98
02:42:48.000 Could that be it?
02:42:49.000 Jesus.
02:42:50.000 No.
02:42:50.000 I never even thought about that until just now.
02:42:52.000 No, no, no.
02:42:52.000 No, I don't know what it is, man.
02:42:54.000 I think there's something about, like, flyweights. 0.98
02:42:57.000 There's something about, like, the lightest weight that, for whatever reason, people don't appreciate someone who, even when you knock guys out at that weight class, I don't know what the fuck it is, man. 0.97
02:43:08.000 I don't know what it is. 0.97
02:43:09.000 It's not good.
02:43:09.000 I sparred a guy the other day.
02:43:10.000 He's coming in.
02:43:11.000 He comes to train with us because he's a...
02:43:15.000 He comes to training.
02:43:17.000 He's a huge gambler, professional poker player.
02:43:20.000 And he comes to spar.
02:43:22.000 He comes to get ready because... 1.00
02:43:23.000 Shit ain't good for your brain. 1.00
02:43:25.000 No, no, no. 1.00
02:43:26.000 I don't have a brain. 0.52
02:43:27.000 But he does betting against other poker players.
02:43:32.000 And he has a gamble going on that he's going to fight somebody for.
02:43:35.000 I think if he wins, he gets $270,000.
02:43:37.000 So the guy backs out, he gets like $190,000.
02:43:40.000 Whoa.
02:43:40.000 So he comes to AMC to get ready for his fights.
02:43:44.000 And he's way bigger than me, right?
02:43:46.000 And then we're sparring.
02:43:47.000 And Matt was like, you're going to spar Demetri Johnson.
02:43:49.000 And we're sparring.
02:43:51.000 And I hit him in his stomach.
02:43:52.000 I was doing my thing.
02:43:54.000 And boom, boom, boom. 0.94
02:43:54.000 We hit him in the liver. 0.94
02:43:55.000 And he goes, oh!
02:43:57.000 And I was like, oh yeah. 0.96
02:43:59.000 And then I started hitting him in the face.
02:44:00.000 I was like, I'm very nice.
02:44:02.000 I tell all my sparring partners before my fights, I say, I promise you I would never hurt you. 0.97
02:44:07.000 It might feel like fucking shit in hell, but I guarantee you will be able to go to work on Monday. 0.97
02:44:11.000 Because a lot of my training partners, when I get back to my fights, they have normal 9 to 5 jobs. 0.99
02:44:15.000 And so I was hitting him in the face.
02:44:17.000 I was like, isn't it amazing how the body just reacts when he gets hit in the liver?
02:44:20.000 You don't even care I'm hitting him in the face right now, do you?
02:44:23.000 And then he started breaking his face and I go, wham!
02:44:25.000 And then somebody goes, okay, I'm done.
02:44:26.000 I gotta take a break.
02:44:27.000 Matt's like, give him a break real quick, DJ. But it's like, if a person is like, oh, you're too small, too small.
02:44:33.000 And I was like, dude, we can spar here and we can see how it's gonna go. 0.91
02:44:36.000 Like, I'm not gonna be a dick or an a-hole, but I'm gonna use my skill set that Matt has provided me with to dismantle you and show you, you need to respect me as a smaller person, I guess I mean. 0.95
02:44:49.000 Yeah, I know what you're saying. 0.97
02:44:50.000 I know exactly what you're saying.
02:44:51.000 I think it's a perception issue.
02:44:53.000 When Matt structures your training camp, he does the whole thing.
02:44:58.000 He does strength and conditioning, he does your kickboxing, wrestling, decides what you do on any given day. 0.98
02:45:03.000 Yep, those days I come in and I'm like, I'll be mentally prepared because, you know, I always love it how you say, I want to see his fucking strength and conditioning program. 0.99
02:45:12.000 And if you saw it, you'd be like, what the fuck are you doing, my friend? 0.99
02:45:15.000 What do you do? 1.00
02:45:18.000 You just have to come watch it.
02:45:19.000 What do you do? 1.00
02:45:20.000 It's just random shit. 1.00
02:45:24.000 It's just crazy. 0.99
02:45:27.000 It's always structured totally different.
02:45:28.000 I'll come in physically.
02:45:30.000 Trust me, it beats the hell out of me.
02:45:32.000 I'll come in Monday night.
02:45:33.000 I'll do a Monday morning practice.
02:45:35.000 I'll call my wife like, hey babe, I'm going to go get some food. 1.00
02:45:37.000 I eat the same thing every single day.
02:45:39.000 I wake up, have the same food.
02:45:40.000 You eat the same thing every day? 1.00
02:45:42.000 Every fucking day. 1.00
02:45:43.000 What do you eat? 1.00
02:45:43.000 So in the morning, when it's training camp time, I have maybe three eggs and toast with cheese on it with Tabasco sauce. 1.00
02:45:50.000 Then that's all I have for breakfast.
02:45:52.000 And I have a little glass of orange juice.
02:45:53.000 Not a lot.
02:45:54.000 I don't like the orange juice.
02:45:55.000 Sugar?
02:45:56.000 Sugar, yeah. 0.99
02:45:57.000 Take out to the gym.
02:45:58.000 I do my heart intense interval day. 0.96
02:46:00.000 And it might be, depending on where we're at in training camp, typically the ones I do, I fucking hate is the power explosion. 0.88
02:46:08.000 Because I'm throwing, I don't like lifting weights. 0.88
02:46:11.000 Like, I like lifting weights, but I don't like them weights. 0.97
02:46:13.000 When it comes to just strictly fighting, I don't like lifting weights because the person I have to lift up is 125 fucking pounds. 0.96
02:46:18.000 Well, supposedly. 0.96
02:46:20.000 So we do that.
02:46:21.000 And then I take a break.
02:46:23.000 I go to Teriyaki Madness.
02:46:24.000 I have teriyaki with brown rice and cucumbers.
02:46:26.000 I eat that.
02:46:27.000 Then I go across the street and get my PCC. I have an apple.
02:46:31.000 PCC is like a Whole Foods in Seattle.
02:46:33.000 I have an apple, maybe a banana, and some type of nuts.
02:46:36.000 And I fill up my gallon of water again.
02:46:38.000 Then I sit there and I play video games until 5 o'clock or 5.30 or 6.00.
02:46:41.000 Go across, walk next door, do my Muay Thai pads, and then we'll either do hard grappling or we'll break down video and drill.
02:46:50.000 And then next day, I do the exact same thing.
02:46:53.000 Wednesday, I do the exact same thing.
02:46:55.000 Thursday is off.
02:46:56.000 Friday, I do the exact same thing.
02:46:57.000 Saturday, I go up and spar and that's it.
02:46:59.000 So when people are like, when I look at fighting, it's my full-time job.
02:47:02.000 Some people are like, I love Dana White's comment.
02:47:04.000 People, you know, champions, they can't take the pressure of being a champion. 0.99
02:47:08.000 Being the fucking champions, if you ask me, all I have to do is go out there and fucking fight and make weight. 0.99
02:47:12.000 Literally, that's all I have to do. 0.98
02:47:14.000 I don't let any distractions get in my way of my fighting.
02:47:17.000 Like if someone was like, you know, Matt, I told Matt, I was like, Matt, you know, my goal is I want to do movies.
02:47:23.000 I want to be able to do something.
02:47:24.000 I want to go fight for so long. 0.98
02:47:26.000 Like when I start making those 2 million or 3 million or 4 million, if I ever make that from fighting, then I won't worry about doing fucking movies. 0.98
02:47:34.000 I'm worried. 0.96
02:47:35.000 I'm trying to do movies now because I'm not making that.
02:47:38.000 Because I want to fight for so long.
02:47:40.000 But if I made five or six million dollars in the bank, I wouldn't even worry about anything else.
02:47:44.000 So that's why I put all my heart and soul into fighting because hopefully one day it opens those doors to the vampires. 0.99
02:47:59.000 The gay porn vampires are going to come in. 1.00
02:48:01.000 But that's like, so when I say I do the same thing every single day for eight weeks to ten weeks, I live, breathe, eat, training. 1.00
02:48:09.000 That's all I do.
02:48:10.000 So you take Thursdays off every week?
02:48:12.000 I take Thursdays and Sundays off.
02:48:14.000 Two days a week.
02:48:14.000 Oh yeah.
02:48:15.000 Good for you.
02:48:16.000 And Wednesday is only a morning session and Saturday is only a morning session.
02:48:20.000 So I typically take Wednesday night off, Thursday off, Friday double, Saturday morning.
02:48:25.000 Did you come to this from trial and error?
02:48:28.000 Trial and error with Matt because I told him I was like, dude, because at the beginning of it, I would train Monday, Tuesday, a double.
02:48:36.000 And then Wednesday night, I would train.
02:48:39.000 So I would rest all day morning Wednesday.
02:48:41.000 And then Wednesday night, we would train.
02:48:43.000 And then I felt like Thursday was almost like a recovery day.
02:48:46.000 And then on Friday, I didn't feel as good because I was still beating down.
02:48:50.000 And so I was like, Matt, let's try Monday, Tuesday.
02:48:52.000 My body's already...
02:48:55.000 We're good to go.
02:48:57.000 We're good to go.
02:49:04.000 We're good to go.
02:49:18.000 We're good to go.
02:49:21.000 We're good to go.
02:49:22.000 Twice a week and maybe one, maybe one week super hard.
02:49:26.000 But I don't wear headgear when I spar because we're not a big believers of hitting people in the head hard.
02:49:32.000 That's so smart, man.
02:49:33.000 It's so smart, the idea of taking those rest periods too.
02:49:37.000 Because a lot of people don't want to do that.
02:49:38.000 They don't want to take those days off.
02:49:40.000 I never wanted to do, I never wanted to do it before.
02:49:43.000 But then when I fought, one time when I was well rested, like when I fought Dotson the second time, like after the fight was done, I was like... 1.00
02:49:52.000 Joe Rogan, you son of a bitch. 0.99
02:49:53.000 You look prettier than ever. 1.00
02:49:55.000 Alright, go ahead and interview.
02:49:55.000 What do you want to talk about?
02:49:56.000 I felt rested.
02:49:57.000 I felt like I needed to go another six, seven rounds.
02:49:59.000 Even though I had that...
02:50:00.000 Because you weren't overtrained.
02:50:01.000 Wasn't overtrained.
02:50:02.000 I was very well rested.
02:50:03.000 And sometimes there's that mental capacity to where, you know, there's times where I'm like, okay, Matt.
02:50:07.000 Matt's like, okay.
02:50:08.000 He'll be like, you're done for today.
02:50:09.000 I'm like, no, no, no, no.
02:50:11.000 I'm going to hit the bat.
02:50:11.000 I'm going to get some of my Miguel Cotto rounds.
02:50:13.000 I'm going to hit the bat like a boxer.
02:50:14.000 And he goes... 0.94
02:50:15.000 No, you're good.
02:50:16.000 There's no point because you have many more years to come to where you're going to put those arms to you.
02:50:21.000 So you're done for the day.
02:50:22.000 Go home.
02:50:23.000 And he would tell me to go home.
02:50:24.000 It's not like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:50:26.000 Go ahead.
02:50:26.000 Go ahead.
02:50:26.000 You need to do more rounds on the back.
02:50:28.000 That's so smart, man.
02:50:29.000 And that's... 0.99
02:50:30.000 The fucking result speaks for itself, right? 0.99
02:50:33.000 Yeah, absolutely. 0.99
02:50:34.000 And that's why now... 0.98
02:50:36.000 I'm fucking itching. 0.98
02:50:37.000 I'm scratching. 1.00
02:50:39.000 I'm at the point now where I'm just like, fuck. 0.98
02:50:41.000 I'm just waiting for the UFC to be like, hey, this is who you're fighting next. 0.99
02:50:44.000 This is the date.
02:50:45.000 So you don't know who your next opponent is.
02:50:46.000 Do not know.
02:50:47.000 Who do you think it'll be?
02:50:47.000 They say it's possibly Henry Cejudo, but I never get married to that opponent because at the end of the day, it could be Henry Cejudo, six weeks into camp, he can get injured, and then they give me somebody else.
02:50:59.000 Isn't it crazy, Joe?
02:51:00.000 Cejudo's only had a few fights in the UFC, and already, I mean...
02:51:04.000 That's the business.
02:51:04.000 How many...
02:51:05.000 Has he had three fights at Flyweight?
02:51:06.000 I think...
02:51:08.000 Four overall?
02:51:09.000 He fought Dustin Kimura.
02:51:10.000 That was at 135 because he missed weight.
02:51:12.000 No?
02:51:13.000 No, no, no.
02:51:13.000 He was supposed to fight Scott Jurgerson.
02:51:15.000 He was supposed to fight a flyweight.
02:51:16.000 He missed weight.
02:51:17.000 It wasn't the first time he missed weight.
02:51:19.000 And then...
02:51:19.000 Chusier Formiga was his last fight, right?
02:51:21.000 His last fight, yeah.
02:51:21.000 And then he fought Dustin...
02:51:22.000 He's a good opponent.
02:51:23.000 Who, uh...
02:51:23.000 Chusier?
02:51:24.000 Yeah, he is.
02:51:25.000 That was good.
02:51:25.000 That was a good fight.
02:51:26.000 Yeah, he was a good fight.
02:51:28.000 Um...
02:51:28.000 Ah.
02:51:29.000 We'll talk later.
02:51:30.000 Yeah, we'll talk later.
02:51:32.000 Um...
02:51:32.000 When he fought...
02:51:33.000 He fought Dustin Kimura at 135, beat him.
02:51:35.000 And then he went down to 135 again.
02:51:36.000 Then he fought, uh... 0.99
02:51:38.000 Shit, I can't remember who he fought. 0.99
02:51:39.000 Ah, he fought... 0.99
02:51:40.000 Ah, Chris Curry also beat him.
02:51:44.000 Chico Camas beat him.
02:51:46.000 Juicy or Formiga beat him. 0.94
02:51:47.000 So he's on a four-fight win streak.
02:51:49.000 And did he fight Chico at 35 or 25?
02:51:52.000 25. Chico Camas is 25. Chico was a good fucking fight, man.
02:51:56.000 Chico's crafty. 0.99
02:51:57.000 Yeah.
02:51:58.000 For him not being a wrestler, he has the best takedown defense for wrestling.
02:52:02.000 He's very slick.
02:52:03.000 But it's only...
02:52:04.000 That's the thing.
02:52:04.000 I was like, yes, yes.
02:52:06.000 People are like, oh, man, do you think you get takedown?
02:52:08.000 I was like, probably, because my fighting style is totally different from Chico Camus.
02:52:12.000 Chico Camus, he likes to defend the takedowns, and he's 100% successful defending because he's only defending it. 0.93
02:52:17.000 When I'm going to defend a takedown, I'm going to be looking to fucking elbow you and knee you, which is going to give up my hips. 0.99
02:52:24.000 So there's... 0.98
02:52:25.000 People are like...
02:52:26.000 One of the things I love about Matt, he says, you're going to make mistakes in a fight, Demetrius, or DJ. He calls me Deej.
02:52:32.000 You're going to make mistakes in the fights, but it's about how you recover from the mistakes what makes a huge difference.
02:52:39.000 So if I get taken down, I'm like, ah, I got taken down. 1.00
02:52:42.000 Fuck, I'm screwed. 1.00
02:52:43.000 Ah, now I got to get off my back. 1.00
02:52:45.000 That takedown was humongous in the scorecards and in the judges' eyes.
02:52:50.000 But if I get taken down, I'm like, okay, I got taken down.
02:52:52.000 Perfect.
02:52:52.000 You got me.
02:52:53.000 Okay, I'm pushing your head down. 0.96
02:52:53.000 Okay, I'm getting up. 0.96
02:52:55.000 Scooting your hips away. 0.59
02:52:55.000 Okay, that's what you're pushing me on. 0.59
02:52:56.000 Back on my feet.
02:52:57.000 There's a knee to the liver.
02:52:58.000 Okay, there's an elbow.
02:52:59.000 You're backing up.
02:52:59.000 Okay, I'm coming forward.
02:53:00.000 I'm going to switch to softball.
02:53:01.000 Here's a body kick.
02:53:02.000 Oh, I'm back to orthodox.
02:53:03.000 Here's this, this.
02:53:04.000 That takedown means nothing.
02:53:06.000 Nothing at all.
02:53:07.000 Right.
02:53:08.000 And so that's my mindset.
02:53:09.000 So you don't give in to that takedown.
02:53:10.000 I don't give in. 0.99
02:53:11.000 Yeah, half the fucking takedown. 0.99
02:53:12.000 What are you going to do? 1.00
02:53:12.000 Ground and pound me? 1.00
02:53:13.000 You're not going to knock me out that way.
02:53:15.000 It's just the way that I see, I view fighting from the judges to where the judges are like...
02:53:20.000 Mm-hmm. 0.99
02:53:22.000 Well, the judges, who knows what the fuck they're doing. 0.99
02:53:25.000 Yeah. 1.00
02:53:25.000 Like, half the time, I mean, 50% of them are completely incompetent. 1.00
02:53:29.000 You know, Chuck Liddell told me this once.
02:53:31.000 It's a really interesting thing.
02:53:32.000 He said one of the most important things is if you get taken down, the moment you feel your back touch the ground, you have to explode.
02:53:38.000 Yeah.
02:53:38.000 He goes, guys rest.
02:53:40.000 They go, fuck, the guy took me down, and they just work from there. 1.00
02:53:43.000 He goes, you can't do that. 1.00
02:53:44.000 The moment your back touches the ground, you have to immediately You're trying to pummel, get that underhook, get back up to your feet.
02:53:50.000 He goes, you can't wait.
02:53:51.000 You can't wait.
02:53:52.000 It's those split-second moments.
02:53:54.000 The difference between taking a breath, and then now the guy's pinned down on you, side control, half guard, the weight, yeah.
02:54:00.000 Which I said, I remember the first time I fought Brad Pickett.
02:54:02.000 Well, not the first time, the only time I fought Brad Pickett.
02:54:05.000 And I was holding him like this.
02:54:08.000 Holding him.
02:54:09.000 And Matt, when we got back home from the fight, and after my broken hand healed, and he went over the fight, he goes...
02:54:16.000 We're watching the funny. 0.97
02:54:17.000 He goes, garbage. 1.00
02:54:19.000 Garbage. 1.00
02:54:20.000 Garbage. 1.00
02:54:21.000 What are you doing there? 1.00
02:54:22.000 Are you going to get up or are you just holding it to your chest? 1.00
02:54:24.000 Garbage. 0.99
02:54:25.000 And so that's how I was raised. 0.99
02:54:28.000 People were like, do you...
02:54:29.000 The other day someone was like...
02:54:31.000 Do you have a college education?
02:54:32.000 I'm like, yes I do.
02:54:33.000 I have a college education in University of AMC, School of Hard Knocks.
02:54:37.000 Because that's how it was.
02:54:38.000 I would win my amateur fights and Matt would just, in the gym I would come in and he would just beat me up.
02:54:45.000 He would be like, dude, we're going to spar.
02:54:46.000 And we would spar and he would literally beat me up.
02:54:48.000 At one point I was like, I think he's mad at me.
02:54:50.000 Did I do something wrong?
02:54:52.000 And then when I got into WC and the UFC, I went against Kiyamoto.
02:54:57.000 Then he would come back to the gym and we would fight and he would beat the hell out of me. 0.99
02:55:00.000 I'm like, what the fuck? 1.00
02:55:01.000 Fuck! 1.00
02:55:01.000 I come over like, babe, I think Matt's mad at me. 1.00
02:55:03.000 Did I post anything?
02:55:04.000 Did I post anything that was wrong?
02:55:05.000 I look at my tweets.
02:55:06.000 I'm like, everything's good.
02:55:07.000 I didn't cuss. 0.93
02:55:08.000 I'm good.
02:55:09.000 He just wants to keep you hungry.
02:55:10.000 He keeps me hungry and humbled.
02:55:11.000 He goes, you're on top of the world right now. 0.99
02:55:13.000 He goes, I need to break your back down and let you know you don't know shit about fighting. 0.99
02:55:17.000 Dude. 0.99
02:55:18.000 Seriously, that's how it was. 1.00
02:55:19.000 He goes, you don't know shit. 0.98
02:55:21.000 What does he say now, like after the Dodson fight? 0.99
02:55:24.000 Good job, now get back to work.
02:55:25.000 He says, good job, and there's things we need to work on.
02:55:28.000 And I'm way worse than he is now.
02:55:30.000 He's like, dude, you need to be excited.
02:55:32.000 You need some of your friends. 0.98
02:55:32.000 I'm like, nah, I should have fucking finished him. 0.98
02:55:35.000 I had the gas tank. 0.99
02:55:36.000 I had the cardio.
02:55:37.000 I had the skill set to finish him, and I didn't get the job done.
02:55:40.000 And he goes, yes, I know, I know.
02:55:42.000 Because...
02:55:43.000 I'm like that. 1.00
02:55:44.000 When I was walking around, I was like, that fight was shit. 1.00
02:55:47.000 That was a shitty ass fight. 1.00
02:55:49.000 And I'm walking, and it's like, yeah, let me just come on, come on, have fun. 1.00
02:55:53.000 And I'm just like, fucking fight was shitty. 0.99
02:55:55.000 I don't give a fuck what nobody says. 1.00
02:55:57.000 And I goes, you need to celebrate your fans. 0.99
02:55:58.000 You need...
02:56:00.000 You need to be happy.
02:56:01.000 Even when I thought just being nervous, I was like, that took too long.
02:56:06.000 And that's how it should be.
02:56:07.000 I am my worst critic because I know what I am capable of.
02:56:12.000 And I know how hard I train.
02:56:14.000 And Matt knows how hard I train.
02:56:15.000 But so now, it's kind of vice versa.
02:56:17.000 He's beat me down so much. 0.99
02:56:18.000 To now, my wife's like, you're such a Debbie Downer, even though you fucking just won. 1.00
02:56:23.000 You don't even know how to celebrate. 0.99
02:56:24.000 I'm like...
02:56:25.000 Sorry.
02:56:26.000 She don't sound like that in real life.
02:56:27.000 She don't sound like that.
02:56:29.000 But that's how it is.
02:56:30.000 And so that's why I'm always...
02:56:32.000 I'm just a humble guy.
02:56:33.000 So that's why I always want to strive for better.
02:56:34.000 Even at the Dotson fight, I was happy.
02:56:36.000 Don't get me wrong. 1.00
02:56:37.000 Because I know how dangerous it was and how much shit he was talking. 0.99
02:56:42.000 When I saw the preview, the higher-ups showed me the preview. 1.00
02:56:46.000 And then they showed Dotson dropping me.
02:56:47.000 And I'm all falling back like this.
02:56:49.000 I had no chance.
02:56:50.000 And I go... 0.98
02:56:51.000 Okay, guys, I love what you're trying to do here, trying to sell the fight, but why the fuck are you guys showing dots and drop me three times? 0.97
02:56:58.000 He goes, dude, we need to make it show the public that you have a chance to lose. 0.77
02:57:03.000 And I was like, yeah, I'm about that model, guys.
02:57:05.000 I'm going to, yeah, I'm not a big fan of you guys' trailer.
02:57:08.000 And I told him straight up, and they were like, well, I don't know what to tell you.
02:57:12.000 So after that fight, I was very happy, very confident where my skill set is in my head and physically.
02:57:20.000 Well, the results speak for themselves, man.
02:57:22.000 I mean, that displeasure in even your great performances, like this constant striving for perfection, that's what's made you the best pound-for-pound fighter in the world, man.
02:57:31.000 Keep it up.
02:57:32.000 No, don't worry.
02:57:33.000 I'm trying.
02:57:33.000 I'm just waiting.
02:57:34.000 I told Matt, and the hardest thing you find is that...
02:57:38.000 As I get older, I'm 29, and I don't try to take any supplements at all because you can never tell what's in them.
02:57:44.000 What's in them, and what is code. 0.94
02:57:47.000 Like Chelsea said, I don't have a fucking list of what's banned from USADA. Well, we had Jeff Nowitzki in, and we went over the list of all the stuff that they sell at GNC that turns out to be steroids. 0.91
02:57:59.000 Half the shit was probably... 1.00
02:58:00.000 Fucking everything! 1.00
02:58:01.000 You see? 1.00
02:58:01.000 It's incredible. 1.00
02:58:02.000 And people were like, oh man, when I see people on Instagram, oh, this fucking pre-worker got me... 1.00
02:58:06.000 Yeah, that pre-workout shit's got roids in it, bitch. 1.00
02:58:09.000 Yeah, I was like, I don't even know what pre-workout is. 1.00
02:58:11.000 Those hard dick pills they sell at gas stations? 0.97
02:58:13.000 A lot of those are steroids, too, it turns out. 0.99
02:58:15.000 A lot of steroids out there. 0.99
02:58:17.000 Because they can just sell them, and then they get pulled off the shelves, and then they just come back with a new company name and sell some more shit. 0.99
02:58:24.000 Yep, and that's why I don't take no protein. 0.96
02:58:28.000 So you get all your supplements from food?
02:58:31.000 From food.
02:58:31.000 I just eat food, food, food, food.
02:58:33.000 That's it.
02:58:34.000 Again, the results speak for themselves, man.
02:58:35.000 And then when it comes time to, as I get older, I'm trying to find ways to preserve my body longer to where I'm at in the gym.
02:58:43.000 I'm in the gym learning.
02:58:45.000 So I'm up to the gym like two days a week trying to learn and drill and do all the stuff because I've already put the time in of learning so much, training with Matt.
02:58:54.000 Excuse me, in my amateur days, in my jiu-jitsu days, to where now I'm like, when it comes to fight time, I actually learn more when I'm getting ready for my fights because I'm in a gym eight weeks straight just training, training. 0.96
02:59:03.000 You can go so much over your next opponent to where it's like, fuck, let's work on something new. 0.95
02:59:08.000 Right. 0.98
02:59:09.000 To where it's now, I'm at the point where I'm trying to figure out how to reserve my body to when it comes time for camp.
02:59:14.000 It's like, okay, when I start camp, what's your weight at?
02:59:16.000 I'm already at 141. He goes, That's pretty low.
02:59:20.000 And I'm like, well, I'm not at home getting fat.
02:59:23.000 I'm working out, lifting, working on my strength.
02:59:25.000 So that's the hardest part I'm fighting in my career.
02:59:28.000 I have to wait on somebody else to be successful in this sport for me to be able to fight again.
02:59:34.000 Wow.
02:59:34.000 Isn't that crazy?
02:59:35.000 That's the sign of success.
02:59:37.000 Well, no, it's not.
02:59:38.000 You're waiting for people to catch up.
02:59:40.000 No, no, no, no, no, no.
02:59:41.000 That is what's going on. 0.92
02:59:43.000 You're twisted.
02:59:43.000 I don't see that.
02:59:44.000 No, no, no, that's my point of view.
02:59:45.000 That's your point of view.
02:59:46.000 My point of view is that I'm like itching.
02:59:49.000 And you know what?
02:59:50.000 The call might come and I'm like, I don't want to fight there or this or that.
02:59:54.000 But it's getting that point where I'm like, I'm always hungry.
02:59:59.000 This is how I pay my bills. 0.99
03:00:00.000 This is how I put diapers on the baby's butt. 1.00
03:00:02.000 I'm just waiting like, come on, when is it going to be? 0.95
03:00:04.000 And I want to be able to...
03:00:06.000 If it's on record, I want to fight February 6th in Vegas.
03:00:09.000 Vegas, Vegas, Vegas.
03:00:10.000 It's on record, ladies and gentlemen.
03:00:11.000 Yeah, they won't answer.
03:00:12.000 They won't let me have that.
03:00:13.000 We're out of time, brother.
03:00:14.000 We just did three hours.
03:00:15.000 Just flew by.
03:00:16.000 There we go.
03:00:16.000 Isn't that crazy?
03:00:17.000 There we go.
03:00:17.000 Flew by.
03:00:18.000 I had to pee once.
03:00:19.000 Only once.
03:00:20.000 Amazing.
03:00:20.000 And you, zero.
03:00:21.000 Yeah, I'm good, man.
03:00:22.000 I'm having a coffee right now, too.
03:00:24.000 My bladder's insane right now.
03:00:26.000 I've trained it.
03:00:27.000 It's like your endurance.
03:00:28.000 Yeah, there you go.
03:00:29.000 Listen, thank you, brother.
03:00:30.000 I really appreciate you coming in here.
03:00:31.000 Let's do this again.
03:00:32.000 We'll do it again.
03:00:33.000 We'll promote the next fight.
03:00:34.000 Next time when you're about to fight.
03:00:35.000 Yeah, sounds good.
03:00:36.000 My pleasure.
03:00:37.000 Thank you, sir.
03:00:37.000 Thank you.
03:00:38.000 Mighty Mouse Johnson, ladies and gentlemen.
03:00:39.000 Mighty Mouse USA. No, Mighty Mouse MMA. Mighty Mouse UFC 125 on Twitch.
03:00:45.000 But what is it on Twitter?
03:00:46.000 Mighty Mouse UFC 125, right?
03:00:48.000 Yeah, Mighty Mouse UFC. Isn't it Mighty Mouse MMA? No, no, no, no.
03:00:51.000 That's my wife's email address. 1.00
03:00:57.000 Oh, shit. 0.99
03:00:58.000 But they don't know if it's Yahoo or.NET or AOLO. They're going to fucking send dick pics to all of them. 1.00
03:01:04.000 Oh, God, no. 1.00
03:01:06.000 All right, thank you, brother.
03:01:08.000 Appreciate it.
03:01:08.000 All right, folks, we'll be back tomorrow with Bert Kreischer.
03:01:10.000 See you then.