The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #790 - Steve Maxwell

00:00:03.000 And we're live.

00:00:04.000 Mr. Maxwell.

00:00:05.000 How are you, sir?

00:00:06.000 Mr. Rogan.

00:00:07.000 Always good to see you, brother.

00:00:08.000 Yeah.

00:00:08.000 And you brought your bag of all your belongings.

00:00:10.000 All my goodies, man.

00:00:11.000 Everything I own in this world.

00:00:13.000 I'll show it to you.

00:00:14.000 People are always curious about this.

00:00:15.000 This always comes up with my wife whenever I say, Steve Maxwell's going to be on the podcast.

00:00:19.000 That's that guy that lives out of the bag.

00:00:21.000 Yeah.

00:00:21.000 Look at him.

00:00:22.000 I'm pretty crazy.

00:00:22.000 This is everything I own in this world.

00:00:24.000 That's insane.

00:00:25.000 It fits right in my back.

00:00:27.000 He has a, I mean, that's not even a really large backpack.

00:00:32.000 Like, if you brought that elk hunting, people would be upset with you.

00:00:34.000 Yeah, like 45 liters.

00:00:35.000 And then a little man purse, you know?

00:00:38.000 So a man purse in a backpack? 0.96

00:00:40.000 Yeah, a little man purse.

00:00:40.000 I carry my cords and my iPad and stuff like that.

00:00:43.000 Wow.

00:00:43.000 Stuff I need in a plane.

00:00:45.000 And I travel all over the world.

00:00:47.000 Wow.

00:00:48.000 Pack really carefully as you can imagine.

00:00:50.000 Yeah.

00:00:51.000 Three t-shirts, three pair of pants, three pair of shorts, a rain jacket, two lightweight hoodies, a long sleeve t-shirt.

00:00:58.000 I could pretty much recite.

00:01:01.000 I never felt more liberated than when I got rid of all my stuff.

00:01:05.000 Wow.

00:01:06.000 And I'm in a different country every couple of weeks.

00:01:08.000 A lot of people say, hey, why not the roller bag, Steve?

00:01:11.000 If you travel in any kind of third world country, down cobblestones, I actually had a roller bag, but I ditched it my first trip to London. 0.87

00:01:20.000 I changed trains like four times, going up and down those damn stairs with a clunk, clunk, clunk roller bag. 0.60

00:01:26.000 I said, you know what? 0.99

00:01:26.000 This really sucks. 0.99

00:01:28.000 I'm going to carry it on my body. 0.99

00:01:30.000 I don't get any money from these guys, but it's a Tom Bin, B-I-H-N. Fantastic travel bags.

00:01:37.000 So well configured.

00:01:38.000 You wouldn't believe the stuff I get in there.

00:01:39.000 I even had my whole workout gym in that thing, man.

00:01:41.000 Really?

00:01:42.000 Yeah.

00:01:42.000 What kind of stuff's in there that you carry around with you everywhere?

00:01:46.000 Now this, Tom Benton, is this for hiking or is this just primarily a travel bag?

00:01:49.000 No, it's a travel bag.

00:01:50.000 I wouldn't want to take a serious hike with it, but...

00:01:53.000 Looks like it's pretty sturdy.

00:01:55.000 Very sturdy.

00:01:56.000 I use packing cubes.

00:01:58.000 There's different packing ways.

00:01:59.000 A good resource for your listeners that travel full-time, go to OneBag.com.

00:02:05.000 He has many recommendations for various bags where you can just basically one carry-on bag and travel anywhere in the world for several weeks at a time.

00:02:15.000 If you want to smell.

00:02:16.000 OneBag.com.

00:02:20.000 A lot of this stuff is high tech.

00:02:21.000 I just wash my t-shirts out in the sink.

00:02:23.000 Very high tech.

00:02:25.000 Well, if you wear one of the things that I found from hiking and camping for long periods of times, wool.

00:02:31.000 Wool was great.

00:02:32.000 There's a great company called First Light, First L-I-T-E, that a buddy of mine is a part of, my friend Ryan Callahan.

00:02:39.000 Out of Montana and actually Ketchum, Idaho.

00:02:42.000 Met him in Montana.

00:02:43.000 But they make wool outer gear and inner gear like long johns, stuff along those lines.

00:02:51.000 Wool is fantastic.

00:02:52.000 A lot of hunting gear.

00:02:53.000 And you can wear that stuff for days.

00:02:55.000 Days.

00:02:56.000 Days.

00:02:56.000 And it doesn't smell because it's natural.

00:02:58.000 A lot of this stuff is this stretch polyamide.

00:03:00.000 It's like a little elastane, a nylon type material, which is real stretchy.

00:03:06.000 It's silver impregnated.

00:03:08.000 Silver helps stop the bacteria from multiplying.

00:03:12.000 So you can get like three or four days out of this t-shirt.

00:03:15.000 Really?

00:03:16.000 Yeah, and it doesn't stink.

00:03:17.000 Maybe you could.

00:03:18.000 Well... 0.97

00:03:18.000 I stink. 0.97

00:03:20.000 I'm a stinky person. 0.99

00:03:21.000 Here's my gym. 0.93

00:03:22.000 Check this out.

00:03:24.000 I can train...

00:03:26.000 Rubber band.

00:03:27.000 I'm doing isometrics.

00:03:29.000 I can do good mornings.

00:03:30.000 What is the amount of tension on that rubber band?

00:03:32.000 They just say heavy duty.

00:03:33.000 But remember, the further you stretch it, the harder it gets.

00:03:37.000 It gives this old man plenty of stretch.

00:03:40.000 Maybe not you.

00:03:41.000 I have a bowling ball bag that I bought just so that I could take on the road with me so I could throw a 50-pound kettlebell in it.

00:03:47.000 Yeah, that works.

00:03:49.000 Although I try not to check.

00:03:50.000 I never use it once.

00:03:51.000 This is...

00:03:53.000 My cardio, obviously.

00:03:55.000 A little jump rope.

00:03:55.000 You can jump rope any time, any place, anywhere.

00:03:57.000 If you can't run, I like to still do a little running.

00:03:59.000 Best self-defense ever, right?

00:04:02.000 Sprint the hell away, man.

00:04:03.000 Yeah, if you could run further than the person trying to kill you...

00:04:06.000 And I don't want to be like one of these old guys that can't run, so it comes in handy in the kitchen. 0.98

00:04:11.000 That's great.

00:04:12.000 And this is a little homemade suspension device.

00:04:15.000 I can set this any length.

00:04:18.000 A suspension device?

00:04:20.000 Yeah, I use it for isometrics, bodyweight rows, chin-ups.

00:04:23.000 Basically, do you know your knots?

00:04:25.000 Not really.

00:04:26.000 I used to be a boy scout back in the day.

00:04:28.000 I know a couple fishing knots.

00:04:29.000 Bowline, right?

00:04:30.000 You should know that one.

00:04:31.000 PVC. And then this is called a prussic knot.

00:04:36.000 So I can slide this, right, up and down the handle.

00:04:41.000 But if you would grab that handle...

00:04:44.000 And put weight on it.

00:04:45.000 See, it doesn't move.

00:04:46.000 Oh, I see.

00:04:46.000 So it's instantly adjustable.

00:04:48.000 Huh.

00:04:48.000 That's interesting.

00:04:49.000 Yeah.

00:04:49.000 Prusik knot.

00:04:50.000 It's climbers use it.

00:04:51.000 How do you spell that?

00:04:52.000 Prusik.

00:04:52.000 P-R-U-S-I-K. If you go to Animated Knots, it's like a little app you can throw on your iPhone.

00:05:00.000 It shows you how to do it.

00:05:01.000 What's the app called?

00:05:02.000 What is it?

00:05:02.000 Animated Knots.

00:05:04.000 It shows you every kind of knot.

00:05:07.000 So I can just throw this over a tree, do chin-ups, bodyweight rows.

00:05:11.000 Oh, wow.

00:05:12.000 But if I want, I can stand on it.

00:05:15.000 And I can do isometrics.

00:05:17.000 I'm really into isometrics these days.

00:05:18.000 Yeah, you showed me a lot of those the last time we worked out together.

00:05:21.000 And it was really interesting what you're trying to do now.

00:05:24.000 Isolation-type movements.

00:05:25.000 I can do deadlifts.

00:05:27.000 Just absolutely incredible.

00:05:32.000 The kind of work that you can get in like 15, 20 minutes.

00:05:34.000 Great for you.

00:05:35.000 You're on the road doing your comedy act all the time, going to UFCs.

00:05:38.000 And I'll tell you, kettlebell, it's good. 1.00

00:05:41.000 But it is a pain in the ass, dude. 1.00

00:05:43.000 They lug around, yeah. 0.99

00:05:44.000 Man, you can just, in your hotel room, literally in 20 minutes, your tongue will be hanging out.

00:05:50.000 Shockingly metabolic, amazing cardio.

00:05:54.000 At the same time, you get every muscle from your head to your feet.

00:05:58.000 Really good stuff.

00:05:59.000 I knew about isometrics back in the 60s as a young wrestler.

00:06:02.000 Our coach used to use a lot of this stuff.

00:06:04.000 So anyway, that's the workout, Jim.

00:06:06.000 Wow.

00:06:06.000 Now, Bruce Lee was really into isometrics.

00:06:09.000 He was into what they would call dynamic tension, which is essentially the same thing.

00:06:14.000 The great Charles Atlas, Charles Bronson.

00:06:17.000 Well, Charles Atlas, those comic book ads that they used to have in the back, like becoming, you were a 98-pound weakling and becoming like a big stud.

00:06:24.000 That was like what he was advertising.

00:06:26.000 A lot of dynamic tension exercises.

00:06:29.000 The father of modern isometrics was the guy by the name of Alexander Zass, who was a Russian circus performer.

00:06:36.000 And he was traveling around doing wrestling and bending steel, breaking chains over his chest.

00:06:41.000 He was just a little guy about my size.

00:06:43.000 And he was captured by the Germans during World War I and imprisoned.

00:06:47.000 And Zass, in order to get a little extra food because he's worried about losing his physique, he offered to train the Comedan's dog for extra food.

00:06:55.000 So meanwhile, he's practicing his isometrics on the cell bars.

00:07:00.000 Every day and he eventually bent the bars and escaped.

00:07:04.000 Went back to the circus, got recaptured.

00:07:08.000 This time they put him in chains.

00:07:11.000 He broke the chains and bent the bars and escaped.

00:07:15.000 Not just twice, four times he escaped from the Germans.

00:07:20.000 What?

00:07:21.000 It's all written in his biography.

00:07:24.000 Has that been verified?

00:07:25.000 Has anyone ever Wikipedia'd this gentleman?

00:07:28.000 Back then they couldn't verify.

00:07:30.000 He might have just told a bunch of goofy stories.

00:07:32.000 But there's no doubt that this guy was strong.

00:07:34.000 There's actually an old, old, old black and white YouTube of him breaking chains and stuff.

00:07:39.000 Jesus.

00:07:39.000 Alexander Zass.

00:07:41.000 Another proponent of isometrics was the famed Henry Wittenberg.

00:07:46.000 See if you can pull up a picture of that guy.

00:07:48.000 Yeah, ZASS. Z-A-S-S. His biography is fantastic.

00:07:51.000 How big was he?

00:07:52.000 Probably about 160 pounds, 165. How the fuck did he bend chains? 0.98

00:07:56.000 Well, he started as a kid in the force. 0.99

00:07:59.000 He actually went to a...

00:08:00.000 That's him right there?

00:08:00.000 Yeah, there we go.

00:08:02.000 When he was a young boy, he was really, really...

00:08:06.000 I'll tell you something.

00:08:07.000 I've lifted beams like that.

00:08:09.000 That beam is really heavy.

00:08:11.000 He's got a beam wrapped around his neck.

00:08:14.000 Actually, he's lifting it with his teeth.

00:08:16.000 Oh my god, that's what that is?

00:08:17.000 Yeah, it's a teeth lift.

00:08:19.000 He has a special mouthpiece where he's gripping it with his jaws and using his neck.

00:08:24.000 Imagine how hard it'd be to choke that guy out with that kind of neck. 0.88

00:08:28.000 That's insane.

00:08:30.000 And he would bend saplings in the forest because he couldn't afford steel, obviously, and he would bend trees to get his strength.

00:08:39.000 These guys were the real deal back in the day, man.

00:08:42.000 They were pretty amazing.

00:08:44.000 And it's funny too.

00:08:45.000 No supplements, no designer whey protein or BCAAs.

00:08:50.000 It was none of this like, dude, I'm going to anabolic or catabolic.

00:08:55.000 It's been 15 minutes after my workout.

00:08:57.000 They just ate good food and just trained.

00:09:00.000 A lot of meat.

00:09:01.000 They were also closer to monkeys because it was a long time ago.

00:09:05.000 A long time ago.

00:09:06.000 They hadn't evolved yet.

00:09:07.000 Hadn't evolved yet.

00:09:08.000 But these people back then, they also didn't really understand the modern principles of strength and conditioning.

00:09:17.000 I don't even think they knew exactly.

00:09:19.000 No, I wouldn't sell them short.

00:09:20.000 No, I'm not saying it in a bad way at all.

00:09:22.000 But I don't think they necessarily had an understanding of all the mechanisms involved.

00:09:28.000 They just knew you train hard, you get stronger.

00:09:31.000 Yeah, train hard, get stronger.

00:09:33.000 This guy knows what he's doing.

00:09:34.000 Go visit him.

00:09:34.000 You can actually buy his book on Amazon.

00:09:37.000 It's a pretty interesting biography.

00:09:39.000 I found it fascinating.

00:09:40.000 It was translated from Russian to English.

00:09:43.000 It translates kind of funny.

00:09:45.000 One of the confusing things is in Russia, they use different names for the same person.

00:09:51.000 Yeah, I know.

00:09:52.000 It's weird, man.

00:09:53.000 How so?

00:09:56.000 They just called him by four different names.

00:09:59.000 Are they nicknames?

00:10:01.000 Yeah, like nicknames.

00:10:02.000 Like, Christy's from the Ukrainians, right?

00:10:06.000 Don't they use different names?

00:10:07.000 Yeah.

00:10:09.000 Unfortunately, you're off camera, so we're not going to be able to hear you.

00:10:12.000 Yeah, no.

00:10:12.000 They use different names, like little pet names.

00:10:16.000 Huh.

00:10:17.000 So as I'm reading, I'm thinking, who the hell are they talking about?

00:10:21.000 Right.

00:10:22.000 And then I'm reading back, oh, they're talking about Alexander.

00:10:25.000 But they referred him with four different names in the text.

00:10:29.000 It was just kind of a weird translation, but absolutely fascinating about his life.

00:10:34.000 That's so weird.

00:10:35.000 You know, it's really interesting when you see those old school strongman type characters, because there's some people that were doing things back in the day, like, one I always bring up is the catch wrestling pioneer, Farmer Burns.

00:10:48.000 Farmer Burns.

00:10:49.000 Who used to do these, he used to hang himself by his neck. 0.85

00:10:53.000 By his neck.

00:10:53.000 Pull this up, Jamie, because there's actually photos of this guy.

00:10:57.000 This guy had a neck like my waist, and he only weighed about 165 pounds, and he used to drop like a hangman's drop and catch himself by his neck.

00:11:07.000 Look at him here.

00:11:07.000 And he was actually beating heavyweights back in the day.

00:11:12.000 This is the day where it wasn't just for the pin.

00:11:15.000 You could do submissions in order to force a guy into his shoulders.

00:11:19.000 And people can also tap.

00:11:21.000 This is rough, tough American martial art.

00:11:25.000 Yeah, this is what's now known as catch wrestling or catch as catch can.

00:11:29.000 And when you would get someone in a submission hold, they would call it a catch.

00:11:32.000 And there were a lot of submission holds that they had back in those days that are still super effective today.

00:11:39.000 And if you go back over the old depictions and old images of submission moves from Farmer Burns, there's stuff that's still completely applicable today.

00:11:48.000 Oh, some of that stuff is awesome, man.

00:11:49.000 I actually had his original mail order course back in the day when I was a householder collecting stuff.

00:11:54.000 I actually had his original home training course.

00:11:58.000 Wow, that's amazing.

00:12:00.000 I had to keep it in plastic and stuff like that.

00:12:01.000 Yeah, like look at this neck crank he's got going on here.

00:12:04.000 That's the old quarter Nelson, man.

00:12:07.000 There's a lot of moves that they had that they used to use back then that are absolutely effective today.

00:12:13.000 But just ask Josh Barnett.

00:12:14.000 Yes, I was just going to bring him up.

00:12:15.000 He really surprised Dean.

00:12:16.000 Dean's a hell of a black belt. 0.97

00:12:18.000 You know, really well-trained black belt.

00:12:21.000 And I think even he was surprised with that headlock.

00:12:23.000 Yeah.

00:12:24.000 I mean, he caught him in a scarf hold, too, which is like about as old school as it gets.

00:12:28.000 Old school as it gets.

00:12:29.000 So some of these things are so old, they're new.

00:12:30.000 A lot of the younger guys.

00:12:31.000 Right.

00:12:32.000 I mean...

00:12:33.000 When I was coming up, in Gracie Jiu-Jitsu, there were so many different defenses against the headlock, we just basically just kind of gave up on using it.

00:12:42.000 But if you don't practice that stuff, you get some wrestler, catch wrestler, judo guy, some rough guy, gets you in one of those headlocks unexpectedly, wow, he can really hurt you.

00:12:53.000 Especially a really strong guy.

00:12:54.000 Really strong guy.

00:12:55.000 One of the things that's coming into play a lot is that bulldog choke.

00:12:58.000 You rarely see it.

00:12:59.000 You see every couple years someone will get one.

00:13:01.000 Last one being Raquel Pennington got it on Ashley Evans-Smith. 0.65

00:13:04.000 And Ashley Evans-Smith was kind of known as being the grappler in that matchup.

00:13:08.000 And Raquel Pennington was more of a striker.

00:13:10.000 But she caught her in that bulldog choke and put her to sleep. 1.00

00:13:12.000 Describe that bulldog choke.

00:13:15.000 It's like a schoolyard headlock.

00:13:16.000 Okay, because they're on their knees or whatever.

00:13:18.000 Yeah, and you're right in front of them.

00:13:20.000 But the thing is, when someone's head is here, and you get that forearm under the choke, and you clamp down, man, there's not a lot that guy can do.

00:13:28.000 There's not a lot.

00:13:29.000 When the head is here, and if you're a strong person, you're fully locked in, you're sitting on it, there is not a lot.

00:13:34.000 There you go, right there.

00:13:35.000 You see it right there.

00:13:36.000 We used to refer to that as the rodeo choke, because it's like a cowboy taking down a stair almost.

00:13:41.000 It's a good way to put it, yeah.

00:13:42.000 Actually, you know who used that really, really early was Bruce Lee choked out Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.

00:13:49.000 Yes!

00:13:53.000 He did!

00:13:54.000 That was Game of Death.

00:13:55.000 Game of Death, one of my favorite movies.

00:13:58.000 He also had the first MMA gloves in that movie.

00:14:00.000 The first MMA gloves.

00:14:01.000 That was what?

00:14:02.000 Enter the Dragon.

00:14:03.000 Oh, that was Enter the Dragon.

00:14:04.000 That's right.

00:14:05.000 He did the armbar.

00:14:07.000 Was it an armbar?

00:14:08.000 Or was it the...

00:14:09.000 It was a neck crack.

00:14:10.000 What do they call that?

00:14:11.000 Was it a crucifix?

00:14:13.000 Crucifix.

00:14:13.000 Yes, that's right.

00:14:14.000 So he was pretty early.

00:14:17.000 As far as being open-minded, he was so far ahead of his time with combining martial arts.

00:14:23.000 I mean, he truly was the original mixed martial artist.

00:14:26.000 Because in the time, even when I was starting out in the 80s, the early 80s, you really weren't supposed to train anywhere else.

00:14:33.000 I would get the stink eye if I would go to a boxing gym and try to learn some boxing.

00:14:37.000 They would say at my Taekwondo school that you basically could learn everything you want here.

00:14:41.000 You didn't need to go anywhere else.

00:14:42.000 And you definitely didn't want to learn Muay Thai or any of those other techniques.

00:14:47.000 It's taking time away from your practice here, and this is what you really need to do.

00:14:50.000 Well, that's martial arts teachers trying to protect their turf.

00:14:54.000 They're worried about losing income if the students are going from this to that to the other thing.

00:15:00.000 Well, you see it from even jujitsu instructors, unfortunately, where jujitsu instructors who only train with the gi start saying terrible things about people who train no gi.

00:15:08.000 And the reason being is because they have too many techniques that rely upon handles.

00:15:13.000 On handles.

00:15:13.000 Yeah.

00:15:14.000 And as soon as they roll with a grappler, and they're going no gi, and they roll with a really good, solid college wrestler, they're going to get smoked.

00:15:22.000 It's pretty tough.

00:15:23.000 Yeah, they just can't deal with someone who's just really good at manipulating bodies that are sweaty and with gable grips and overhooks and underhooks.

00:15:31.000 And they're used to those collars and they're used to grabbing sleeves. 0.91

00:15:34.000 It's a whole different game, man.

00:15:36.000 Being a former NCAA... Division 1 wrestler.

00:15:40.000 I hated the Gi for my first three years of Shiu Jitsu.

00:15:43.000 And then finally, as I started getting a little older, getting close to my 50s, I started loving it because it does slow that game down.

00:15:50.000 Yeah, completely slows it down.

00:15:52.000 And so if you're smaller and weaker, the Gi definitely gives you a chance to even the odds there a little bit.

00:15:58.000 Well, it allows you to control people, and I think one of the things that's really good about the Gi is people that live in cold climates. 0.62

00:16:04.000 If you ever get in a self-defense situation with someone wearing a jacket, like I had a conversation with a friend of mine, and I said, if you are in some sort of a street fight with a jujitsu black belt, and you have a leather jacket on, you might as well be a dead person.

00:16:18.000 Because if that guy just grabs your collar, all he has to do is get inside your collar, grab ahold of the back of that collar, and you're gone.

00:16:24.000 He's going to just clamp ahold of the other side, and he's going to choke you to death.

00:16:28.000 You have a weapon wrapped around your body. 0.78

00:16:30.000 It's shocking how easy it actually is, man.

00:16:31.000 Or a judo person.

00:16:32.000 People always think like in a straight fight, you know, you're going to be using all this fancy stuff, but it's going to be the most basic stuff you learn is a white bout and a blue bout.

00:16:41.000 You're going to fall back on that stuff.

00:16:42.000 Most likely, yeah.

00:16:43.000 And, you know, you have to think like lame, you know, like...

00:16:47.000 A person you're fighting probably is not a trained martial artist.

00:16:50.000 No, most likely.

00:16:51.000 A buddy of mine got in a street fight with a trained martial artist once.

00:16:54.000 He told me that these two guys...

00:16:56.000 He and this other guy were yelling at each other or something on the highway, and they decided to pull over.

00:17:02.000 So they pulled over to the side of the road. 0.99

00:17:03.000 They got out, and they started duking it out, and he threw a leg kick, and the guy checked it, and the guy shot for a double, and he stuffed it, and they were both looking at each other like, oh, shit. 1.00

00:17:13.000 Oh, shit. 0.99

00:17:13.000 And he said they went... 0.99

00:17:15.000 At it for like 10 minutes and then high-fived each other afterwards and got back in the car.

00:17:19.000 Well, that had a good outcome.

00:17:21.000 Well, they realized.

00:17:22.000 They're like, oh, okay, we thought...

00:17:24.000 I'm fighting another trained guy.

00:17:26.000 They thought they were going to... 0.98

00:17:27.000 Each guy thought they were going to get out and beat the shit out of some guy who didn't know what he was doing. 1.00

00:17:30.000 And they both got out and they moved around like, oh, look at this motherfucker. 0.99

00:17:34.000 And then after a while, they thought it was funny. 1.00

00:17:36.000 That is...

00:17:37.000 Well...

00:17:38.000 I have used jiu-jitsu a few times.

00:17:41.000 In a fight?

00:17:42.000 In a street fight?

00:17:43.000 Yeah, back when I had my school in Philadelphia.

00:17:46.000 Oh, when crazy people would come in the gym or something?

00:17:48.000 Well, we had gym fights, but a couple of times even on the street.

00:17:51.000 Really?

00:17:52.000 Just crazy stuff, man.

00:17:53.000 I had a cab driver try to run me over one time.

00:17:56.000 And I was furious.

00:17:57.000 I used to commute my bike quite a bit.

00:17:59.000 And when I went by, I was so mad, I hit the side of his cab.

00:18:03.000 And, you know, just gave him a couple, expressed my opinion.

00:18:09.000 And then the guy pulls over and jumps out of the cab.

00:18:12.000 Yeah, it starts coming at me.

00:18:14.000 And, you know, I just used the inside control and just laid him over the top of the cab.

00:18:18.000 And it was over before it started.

00:18:20.000 You know, he gave up and just got back in.

00:18:21.000 But thank God for basic stand-up self-defense.

00:18:25.000 Well, I also thank God for him that you're a nice guy.

00:18:28.000 Yeah, well.

00:18:28.000 You didn't decide to smash his face in.

00:18:30.000 Nowadays, man, you smash someone's face in, you're going to have all sorts of lawyers knocking on the door and If there's a video of it.

00:18:36.000 You gotta wear a disguise everywhere you go.

00:18:38.000 There's almost always a video of it nowadays.

00:18:39.000 You gotta wear disguises, bro.

00:18:40.000 You gotta go out of the house with like a mask on.

00:18:42.000 That's the move.

00:18:43.000 How do you do it, Joe?

00:18:43.000 It must be tough.

00:18:44.000 You gotta wear mustaches and shit. 0.99

00:18:47.000 Yeah, I don't know. 0.96

00:18:48.000 Self-defense is, like, obviously, last alternative.

00:18:53.000 Like, you would most likely never use any of the techniques that you learn.

00:18:57.000 If you're lucky, you could live your whole life and never use any martial arts if you're lucky.

00:19:02.000 Hopefully, if you're lucky.

00:19:02.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:19:03.000 That's the goal.

00:19:04.000 I personally like to run not because I think running is such a good workout.

00:19:10.000 I like to run for the skill of running.

00:19:13.000 Because if you don't run, you're not good at running.

00:19:16.000 Most people don't like it.

00:19:17.000 I do it more as a martial art.

00:19:19.000 Really?

00:19:20.000 Because I want to run away.

00:19:21.000 Right.

00:19:22.000 But when you run...

00:19:23.000 And old people can't run. 1.00

00:19:24.000 You see the way most people move.

00:19:26.000 I don't want to be one of those mid-60s, 70-year-old guys that can't run.

00:19:31.000 So I practice sprints at least once, sometimes twice a week, just for the skill of being able to run fast.

00:19:37.000 Right.

00:19:38.000 Well, sprints are really good for your system, too, right?

00:19:41.000 Your endocrine system?

00:19:42.000 They can be very good, systemic-wise.

00:19:43.000 You know, there's a real interesting study done on running.

00:19:46.000 They found that people that run in the zone, that like do 10Ks, 5K, you know, competitive running, marathons, triathlons and such, actually have shorter life expectancy than people that don't run at all.

00:19:57.000 I was really surprised.

00:19:58.000 They claim it's the oxidative stress.

00:20:00.000 My theory is people don't use the lung apparatus properly and breathe properly.

00:20:06.000 They found that people that lived, all of them were the people that run real slow, just nice, leisurely, like zen running.

00:20:13.000 They lived longest.

00:20:14.000 They lived longest.

00:20:15.000 Well, have you ever heard the theory that there's only a certain amount of heartbeats that you get in your life?

00:20:20.000 I have heard that.

00:20:21.000 Yeah.

00:20:21.000 I mean, it kind of almost makes sense when you look at the age of professional athletes, like how they die young.

00:20:28.000 They burn, they flame out and die pretty young.

00:20:31.000 Yeah.

00:20:32.000 Now, that's something that you have been really a pioneer in avoiding, like keeping your body healthy, like deep into your 60s and 70s.

00:20:40.000 And I know you have a whole program about that, about with Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.

00:20:44.000 Yes, I do.

00:20:44.000 We call it Jiu-Jitsu for a lifetime.

00:20:46.000 We're actually going to do a training camp this next spring in April in Maui.

00:20:51.000 What a good place for a training camp.

00:20:53.000 Hey, how would you like to come?

00:20:54.000 I would love to if I'm available.

00:20:56.000 Why don't you come as my guest? 0.99

00:20:57.000 I would like to, but I'm busy as fuck, dude. 0.98

00:20:59.000 It's hard. 0.99

00:21:00.000 It's hard for me.

00:21:01.000 Just tell all those guys, hey, I'm just taking like a week off and going to Maui.

00:21:05.000 It's hard.

00:21:07.000 I would have to.

00:21:09.000 My time off is most of the time, if I actually have actual time off, I spend it with my family.

00:21:14.000 Bring your wife and your young daughter. 0.80

00:21:17.000 Maybe.

00:21:18.000 They would love it.

00:21:19.000 They can take paddleboard lessons while you come up.

00:21:23.000 Paddleboard lessons.

00:21:24.000 Maui's nice, but man, every time I'm there, somebody gets bit by a shark. 0.99

00:21:28.000 I don't know what the fuck is going on. 0.98

00:21:29.000 I don't know about that either. 0.99

00:21:30.000 I have that morbid fear.

00:21:32.000 Ever since I saw that movie Jaws, It's like, forget it, man.

00:21:36.000 Yeah, while we were there, we were watching TV, and there was a newscast about this kid who got his leg mauled.

00:21:41.000 And my kids were just in the pool, or just in the ocean, rather, that day.

00:21:47.000 We were just snorkeling. 0.97

00:21:48.000 And then we came back, and we were watching this thing about this surfer who just got mangled, and they had him all stitched up, and he was fucked up. 0.97

00:21:55.000 It's just such a primal fear. 0.95

00:21:57.000 I don't know what it is.

00:21:58.000 I know it's irrational because my chance of being eaten by a shark is way less than being in an accident in a car.

00:22:04.000 I rent cars and drive.

00:22:06.000 People always say that, but that doesn't make me feel any better.

00:22:09.000 Because also, the odds of you being eaten by a shark when you're on the shore radically decrease.

00:22:15.000 That's true.

00:22:16.000 If you ever go in the ocean, there's zero chance.

00:22:18.000 The ads increase when you get in the water.

00:22:21.000 So if you don't go in the water, you won't get bit by a shark.

00:22:24.000 That's just a fact.

00:22:25.000 Another one?

00:22:26.000 What is this?

00:22:26.000 Did you see this last week?

00:22:28.000 No.

00:22:28.000 This is Sunset Beach, I believe is what it's called, which is just south of L.A. Oh, Christ.

00:22:32.000 What are you going to show me?

00:22:34.000 A giant great work reaches the water.

00:22:34.000 No, dude, you're just stealing it.

00:22:36.000 Oh, no.

00:22:36.000 No, I'm definitely not going back in there.

00:22:38.000 Right off of Huntington Beach?

00:22:40.000 Yeah.

00:22:41.000 Oh my god!

00:22:43.000 This is insane! 0.99

00:22:45.000 That is one big ass shark. 0.99

00:22:47.000 That's gotta be bigger than eight feet. 0.99

00:22:50.000 Does it say how big it is?

00:22:51.000 I don't think they know because they just randomly caught it because they were doing some other stuff.

00:22:54.000 So he was filming something else and the thing just breached the water.

00:22:57.000 Oh my god, show that again.

00:22:58.000 Could you imagine? 0.99

00:22:59.000 Look at the fucking size of that thing! 1.00

00:23:01.000 Dude, that's a big shark. 1.00

00:23:03.000 That's not a seven-foot shark.

00:23:04.000 Now, can you imagine some kid on a surfboard and it just comes up underneath there?

00:23:09.000 That's how they stun those seals, if you've ever watched sharks hunt.

00:23:12.000 Yeah.

00:23:13.000 The way they hit and knock it, kind of unconscious almost, and then...

00:23:18.000 Did you ever see the film that they got right off of Fisherman's Wharf in San Francisco? 0.94

00:23:23.000 Some tourists were out there, and they were just filming the water, taking pictures of each other, and seeing all these people hanging around by the water's edge, and a great white, fuck this seal up in front of everybody. 0.98

00:23:35.000 Ooh! 0.98

00:23:35.000 Like right in front of everybody. 0.98

00:23:37.000 And we think it was probably two different seals that it killed.

00:23:40.000 Wow.

00:23:40.000 Because it killed one, and there was like this big bloody puddle, and then it seems like it got a hold of a second one.

00:23:46.000 It's hard to tell because, you know, you're just looking at the surface of the water, but massive red.

00:23:50.000 I mean, these people are 30, 40 feet away from this thing as it's tearing the seal apart.

00:23:55.000 It's really pretty crazy.

00:23:57.000 That is crazy.

00:23:58.000 There was an awesome picture of an orca hunting with its calf, a great white. 0.63

00:24:04.000 The orca totally fucked the great weight up. 0.93

00:24:07.000 It stunned it, and it used jiu-jitsu, man. 0.95

00:24:10.000 It basically grabbed it and turned it over, and if sharks don't keep moving, they basically drown.

00:24:14.000 It held it until it basically drowned, and then it ate its liver.

00:24:18.000 And the people that analyzed the video felt that the mother orca was teaching the baby how to hunt.

00:24:27.000 How to kill a shark.

00:24:28.000 Yeah, sharks, they're not near as agile as an orca and nowhere near smart. 1.00

00:24:33.000 I mean, they're really dumb. 1.00

00:24:34.000 They have a tiny brain. 1.00

00:24:35.000 They just eat and swim around.

00:24:37.000 But the orcas, when you see that video, when they flip it up upside down, something about flipping a shark upside down also kind of like knocks it out.

00:24:47.000 Yeah, they just go passive.

00:24:48.000 Yeah.

00:24:48.000 I've seen people actually do it, you know, like in shows and stuff where they'll just take and just flip it and rub its belly in.

00:24:53.000 How bizarre.

00:24:54.000 That's pretty bizarre, man.

00:24:55.000 There's a lot of weird, like, flaws in God's early designs.

00:24:59.000 It's almost, you know, like, designs like that.

00:25:02.000 Like, the design of a shark.

00:25:04.000 It's like, what?

00:25:04.000 It has to keep swimming?

00:25:05.000 It just has to keep swimming.

00:25:06.000 So here's that footage off of San Francisco.

00:25:08.000 Oh, this is a different one.

00:25:09.000 It's the same one.

00:25:10.000 Is it?

00:25:11.000 Well, why is it so close?

00:25:12.000 This is a little bit later into it as it got closer.

00:25:15.000 It starts off a little farther away.

00:25:17.000 Oh, I see.

00:25:18.000 Okay.

00:25:18.000 Let's go further away then, because the further away you get to see it.

00:25:21.000 Back it up from the beginning, because you see that these people are just kind of...

00:25:25.000 This isn't the one though, Jamie.

00:25:27.000 Really?

00:25:27.000 Yeah, the other one, it's from a distance, and you actually see the shark.

00:25:32.000 The orca, you mean?

00:25:34.000 Well, which one is this, Jamie?

00:25:35.000 This is the shark attack eating the seal.

00:25:36.000 Oh, this is the shark.

00:25:37.000 This is the shark eating the seal.

00:25:38.000 This is right off of Fisherman's Wharf, where all the restaurants are, where people are walking around.

00:25:45.000 Yeah, see, okay, so it's more than one Great White, too.

00:25:49.000 But there's more than one footage of this, apparently.

00:25:51.000 Obviously, this is a big deal, and everybody has a phone.

00:25:54.000 True.

00:25:54.000 But to be watching this, I mean, look at that.

00:25:56.000 That's like, what is that, 30 feet?

00:25:58.000 That's pretty intense, man.

00:26:00.000 Yeah, there's a better footage, though, a different angle, which is a little bit further off, where you actually see the shark breach the water with a seal in its mouth.

00:26:08.000 It's like, yeah, I'm going to stay on the shore.

00:26:11.000 Yeah, I think I'll stay on the shore.

00:26:12.000 You know, Nick Diaz, he swam from Alcatraz five different times.

00:26:16.000 Five different times that guy swam from Alcatraz to shore.

00:26:20.000 Well, you know, one of my heroes, Jekyll Elaine, used to swim that while pulling a boat full of people.

00:26:25.000 While shackled.

00:26:27.000 He did it as an annual birthday event.

00:26:29.000 Yeah.

00:26:30.000 What a man. 0.97

00:26:31.000 He's an animal. 0.73

00:26:32.000 Like the guy was still, you know, doing all sorts of crazy exercises right up until his 90s. 0.99

00:26:37.000 Yeah, he was a crazy man.

00:26:38.000 He was really a real pioneer of health and fitness and wellness and juicing. 0.85

00:26:44.000 Yeah, he got into juicing.

00:26:45.000 You know, I always tell these kids, you know, don't be listening to these trainers in their 20s to their 30s or even their 40s because they haven't been over to the other side.

00:26:53.000 They don't know what's sustainable.

00:26:55.000 They don't know, you know, they just don't have the long-term experience.

00:27:00.000 All my mentors were guys in their 80s.

00:27:02.000 They're the guys I want to learn from.

00:27:04.000 Guys that went to the other side, that are super fit, really healthy.

00:27:09.000 They're the guys I've been looking at to put my own program together.

00:27:13.000 I don't want to listen to these young guys. 0.99

00:27:15.000 They have no fucking idea, man. 0.99

00:27:17.000 I didn't. 1.00

00:27:18.000 A lot of the shit I did when I was even in my 40s and even early 50s, I had no clue. 0.97

00:27:23.000 Look at him there. 0.99

00:27:24.000 Yeah, there we go.

00:27:24.000 Well, he would tow not just a boat.

00:27:26.000 He would tow like seven boats or something crazy.

00:27:29.000 I mean, like 70 people.

00:27:31.000 I think he towed like a person for every year of his life.

00:27:35.000 So here he's towing like a whole stream of boats.

00:27:40.000 Like how many boats were back there?

00:27:42.000 The guy was an amazing swimmer.

00:27:44.000 That water was cold.

00:27:45.000 It doesn't look to me like he has a wetsuit on.

00:27:47.000 It looks like he may just have a singlet type.

00:27:50.000 It's hard to tell.

00:27:51.000 It looks like a wetsuit there.

00:27:52.000 Okay, there's a wetsuit.

00:27:53.000 It's hard to tell. 0.77

00:27:55.000 But either way, the guy's a savage.

00:27:57.000 That guy was an amazing fitness guy.

00:28:00.000 There he is.

00:28:01.000 And he's handcuffed.

00:28:06.000 Pretty amazing.

00:28:07.000 But here's a guy that stood the test of time.

00:28:10.000 He got to his 80s and 90s.

00:28:12.000 Another guy was Master Elliot Gracie.

00:28:15.000 I actually had a jiu-jitsu lesson with the guy when he was in his late 80s.

00:28:20.000 Okay, he's not going to beat anybody doing competitive jiu-jitsu, but you wouldn't want to go up and mess with that old guy.

00:28:28.000 He would mess you up. 0.57

00:28:30.000 He had some thick-ass hands. 0.96

00:28:32.000 He had big hands, big forearms, and he would just slap it on you.

00:28:36.000 I used to hate to be the guy that he demonstrated stuff on, because he would just really put it on you.

00:28:41.000 I felt damn near injured, you know?

00:28:43.000 Yeah, well, he was a pioneer of no-holds-barred fights, like, way back in the day.

00:28:49.000 I mean, he was doing that in the 1940s, right?

00:28:52.000 Yeah.

00:28:53.000 And even before him, his teacher, he didn't learn directly from this guy, his brothers did, was that guy Asa Maeda, that little Japanese guy.

00:29:03.000 I had heard he won over 800 no-holds-barred fights.

00:29:06.000 I don't know whether that's true or not.

00:29:07.000 Well, it's like the Hickson 400-0 number.

00:29:10.000 Exactly.

00:29:11.000 But Maeda, he did a lot of no-hold-barred-type deals.

00:29:16.000 And he was one of the guys that really, really developed that guard because he was finding that big American wrestlers and football players were putting him on his back.

00:29:26.000 And he became deadly from fighting from his back.

00:29:30.000 He kind of specialized in that particular position.

00:29:32.000 That's so fascinating because that was a big part of Helio's game, too.

00:29:36.000 Well, he's so low.

00:29:37.000 Yeah, I mean, he was like 140-plus pounds when he was competing and fighting against much larger men.

00:29:45.000 Much larger guys.

00:29:46.000 I lived with him for a month down at his ranch in Terrasopolis, and I used to get daily lessons.

00:29:52.000 And his favorite thing was to have you put himself in just a really bad position, like mounted or whatever, and then just basically defy you to do anything to him.

00:30:00.000 And it's a great game that you can play well into advanced age, you know?

00:30:04.000 You just let the kids work on you a little bit and just play defense.

00:30:08.000 And there was nothing I could do.

00:30:09.000 Wow.

00:30:10.000 I mean, he just, you know, he basically knew everything I was going to do before I did it.

00:30:14.000 You know, he'd give his back, you know, let you mount.

00:30:17.000 And, you know, he basically, his defense was just so superb.

00:30:20.000 You would have either had to use an unusual amount of strength to do anything. 0.80

00:30:25.000 Or, I mean, there was no fool in him. 0.93

00:30:27.000 Let me just put it that way. 0.90

00:30:29.000 Well, Hickson used to let guys start on his back with a full rear naked choke, fully locked in.

00:30:34.000 That's how he would start.

00:30:35.000 It's pretty amazing, isn't it?

00:30:37.000 Yeah.

00:30:37.000 I mean, but if you could develop that kind of defense, if you're safe from there, you're safe from everywhere.

00:30:42.000 Like, one of the big parts of jiu-jitsu, I'm sure you'll agree, is...

00:30:45.000 The ability to be safe in any position and the ability to understand what it takes to be safe in those positions.

00:30:51.000 And the best way to do it, like, Eddie Bravo did that when he was training for Hoyler.

00:30:54.000 One of the big things that he did was he had people start off in bad positions.

00:30:59.000 He would have people start off mounting him, have people start off in side control.

00:31:02.000 He never started out just facing a guy, you know, where it's an equal, neutral position.

00:31:07.000 Every position, every role started with him on his back.

00:31:10.000 Every role started with him in a compromised position.

00:31:13.000 It's such a great way to work if you're working with people that don't have the same skill sets as yourself.

00:31:18.000 For example, Hickson was in America for years and years and years and he only had white belt, blue belt level guys to work with but this is the way he kept his sword sharp.

00:31:29.000 He would put himself in these Bad positions, partially closed triangles, maybe a partially closed uma palata on the back with maybe a partially closed choke or whatever.

00:31:41.000 And he was just a genius at getting out of those positions.

00:31:44.000 Yeah, and if you can show your training partners what to do, you can actually make it more difficult for yourself.

00:31:50.000 If you tell them what they're doing wrong, and I mean, Hickson didn't just develop his own jiu-jitsu skills.

00:31:57.000 Obviously, he had a lot of great students as well.

00:32:00.000 A lot of great students.

00:32:00.000 And a black belt under Hickson to this day is one of the most prestigious black belts you can get.

00:32:07.000 I would say probably the closest thing you can get to Hickson is Luis Heredia in Maui.

00:32:11.000 The guy's unbelievable.

00:32:12.000 I love training with him.

00:32:14.000 Old school, man.

00:32:15.000 Luis gave me my very first private lesson at Hickson's Old Place on Pico.

00:32:20.000 That was before.

00:32:20.000 I didn't know that there was a difference in the Gracies.

00:32:23.000 When I was starting out, I was like, oh, this is Gracie Jiu-Jitsu.

00:32:27.000 Okay, this is just like the UFC. I'm like, who's Hickson Gracie?

00:32:30.000 Oh, that's the brother of Hoist.

00:32:32.000 I didn't even know that he was the man.

00:32:34.000 And so...

00:32:36.000 Carlson Gracie School was closer.

00:32:38.000 It was off of Hawthorne, like right off of Sunset.

00:32:40.000 That was closer to where I lived by like 20 minutes.

00:32:43.000 And you know, especially during traffic, it was a nightmare to get down to Pico.

00:32:46.000 So I was like, oh, I'll just go to this place instead. 0.94

00:32:48.000 So I fucked up and stopped training at like the best place in the world. 0.97

00:32:53.000 Like I didn't even know. 0.98

00:32:54.000 Well, that's how it was when I first started.

00:32:56.000 You know, I didn't have a clue.

00:32:58.000 Well, I mean, I just didn't appreciate how good these guys were.

00:33:03.000 But I got lucky, though.

00:33:04.000 Any given day, I could have a lesson with any of the brothers.

00:33:07.000 They were one big, happy family.

00:33:08.000 Yeah, and they were always there, too.

00:33:10.000 Always there.

00:33:11.000 I got lucky, though, that when I came to Carlson's, Mario Sperry was there, Carlos Baghetto was there.

00:33:19.000 I got to watch those guys roll.

00:33:21.000 I got to watch those guys compete.

00:33:22.000 Vitor Belfort was there, and it was when Vitor was calling him Victor Gracie.

00:33:26.000 Do you remember that?

00:33:27.000 I do remember that.

00:33:28.000 Yeah, they would spell it with a K. I don't know what happened.

00:33:31.000 They changed his name.

00:33:32.000 I really don't understand what happened.

00:33:34.000 They were calling him Victor.

00:33:35.000 I know in Brazil, a lot of times, the women are able to keep their original name, so they don't always take the name of their husbands.

00:33:44.000 Well, he was taking Carlson's name.

00:33:46.000 I mean, Belford is his real name.

00:33:49.000 He doesn't have a Gracie background.

00:33:52.000 So he didn't have a mother that might have been a Gracie?

00:33:56.000 No.

00:33:56.000 But there's some people that do that.

00:33:58.000 Who has that going on?

00:34:02.000 Angela Gracie?

00:34:03.000 No.

00:34:04.000 Someone has that going on.

00:34:06.000 One of the men has that going on.

00:34:09.000 Roger Gracie, his father...

00:34:11.000 Hodger, yeah.

00:34:11.000 Yeah, Hodger is...

00:34:12.000 His father's Gomez.

00:34:15.000 Yes.

00:34:15.000 And his mother was Gracie.

00:34:16.000 That's one of them.

00:34:17.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:34:18.000 So I think Caesar, too.

00:34:19.000 Doesn't Caesar have a similar situation, Caesar Gracie?

00:34:23.000 That I don't know, but I do know it's not uncommon for a married woman to keep her maiden name. 0.87

00:34:30.000 That's interesting.

00:34:31.000 But anyway, so everybody called Vitor Victor back then.

00:34:38.000 And if you look at the early UFCs, I'm pretty sure I even called...

00:34:43.000 I remember someone pulled me aside and said you can't call him Victor Gracie at UFC 12. You can't call him Gracie because Horian was suing Carlson.

00:34:52.000 Oh, I remember that.

00:34:54.000 Yeah.

00:34:55.000 Like, Horian was suing all the other Gracies. 0.99

00:34:57.000 They couldn't even use their last name.

00:34:58.000 Meanwhile, Carlson Gracie is a legend.

00:35:02.000 A legend.

00:35:02.000 Like a real legend in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and in MMA. And he was the guy who came in and beat the guys that Elio couldn't beat.

00:35:09.000 Because Carlson was a bigger, tougher, stronger guy.

00:35:12.000 I mean, he was more of a bulldog approach, which is why it was perfect that he had that logo, those two bulldogs.

00:35:18.000 He pretty much bridged the gap between Elio's young sons...

00:35:21.000 Elliot was getting a little up there in age and was starting to fail physically a bit.

00:35:27.000 And his own sons were a little bit too young still.

00:35:30.000 So Carlson Gracie was the one to defend the family honor up until the point where Hickson and Halls Gracie got into their young manhood.

00:35:40.000 And he had a fantastic group of students.

00:35:43.000 He was an unbelievable teacher.

00:35:44.000 Murillo Bustamante, Mario Sperry.

00:35:47.000 I mean, he had some really amazing, amazing students as well.

00:35:50.000 Well, they said his ability to go out and recruit talent was just incredible.

00:35:54.000 You know, he just knew how to do it.

00:35:56.000 He had an eye for guys that were going to be really good.

00:35:58.000 Yeah, he also had a great family environment, like that Carlson Gracie team.

00:36:02.000 They were very tight-knit.

00:36:04.000 It's a fascinating time in the world of martial arts, if you go back and look at that, the early 90s and what happened to Jiu Jitsu in America and how it just sort of exploded and changed the face of martial arts.

00:36:17.000 It really did.

00:36:18.000 I had my first experience in 89 and I just made up my mind I wanted to learn it.

00:36:23.000 I went in as a NCAA Division I wrestler.

00:36:27.000 I had a really good record.

00:36:29.000 I was like most wrestlers, kind of hard-headed.

00:36:32.000 What are these skinny Brazilian guys going to show me? 1.00

00:36:34.000 And then I'm tapped like a typewriter by Hoyler.

00:36:37.000 I'm like, oh my god, what is this that he's doing to me?

00:36:40.000 I've got to learn this!

00:36:42.000 And I asked Corian, how can I learn this martial art?

00:36:46.000 He said, come out to Torrance.

00:36:47.000 It's the only game in town.

00:36:48.000 At that time, that was true.

00:36:50.000 So you went from Philly all the way to Torrance to train?

00:36:52.000 And I would stay for a week.

00:36:54.000 I'd have so much money.

00:36:55.000 I was a former school teacher, and I had a little retirement account set up, some money set aside after I quit teaching, and money I'd set.

00:37:04.000 So I used that to...

00:37:06.000 Wow.

00:37:07.000 Fun by jujitsu education.

00:37:08.000 In the meantime, I would open up Maxercise.

00:37:10.000 It was a personal training gym.

00:37:11.000 I put some mats in the back, you know.

00:37:13.000 And I would usually go and take like a thousand bucks.

00:37:17.000 And when I'd run out of money, I would go back to Philly again.

00:37:20.000 Since it was my business, I could just take off whenever I wanted.

00:37:23.000 Oh, that's great.

00:37:24.000 And then I had mats.

00:37:25.000 And it was the first gym of the Eastern Seaboard.

00:37:28.000 I would just get all my old wrestler friends, Philadelphia Judo Club, you know, Aikido guys, and just go in there and just work with these guys and practice my jiu-jitsu.

00:37:37.000 And then another, you know, a couple months later, I'd go back and spend time again.

00:37:42.000 Then I got smart.

00:37:43.000 I started bringing the Gracies to my place, and then they would stay with me. 0.97

00:37:46.000 I had Helson stay with me sometimes for a couple weeks.

00:37:49.000 Hoyce actually lived with me for a month one time.

00:37:52.000 Well, I think Hoyce and Hoyler, they don't even have schools anymore.

00:37:55.000 They just travel and do seminars, and they find that that's more lucrative.

00:37:58.000 And they get away from the hassle of having to pay rent and employees and all the other nonsense that comes with schools.

00:38:04.000 And they're just welcomed with open arms in these weekend seminars.

00:38:08.000 I mean, if a guy like Hoyce or Hoyler or Hickson wants to do a seminar, who's going to say no?

00:38:13.000 Who's going to say no?

00:38:13.000 Well, that's kind of what I do myself.

00:38:15.000 I just go around showing the grace of self-defense.

00:38:18.000 But the other thing that I'm really into these days is just basically how can you keep your body still in the game?

00:38:25.000 Because, I mean, it is fun to roll.

00:38:27.000 It really is.

00:38:27.000 It's something that you can do into a van stage, but you've got to be careful, and you have to be very careful with the preparation of your body and everything.

00:38:35.000 What are the keys to a person that's like, you know, entering into their older age?

00:38:40.000 What are the keys to maintaining the body's elasticity, your strength and vitality?

00:38:47.000 Well, one of the main keys is joint mobility.

00:38:50.000 Every single day you got to do some type of mobility.

00:38:53.000 People get confused between flexibility and mobility.

00:38:56.000 Mobility has a connotation of strength.

00:38:58.000 You want to be able to voluntarily go in and out of the movement.

00:39:01.000 I'll give an example.

00:39:03.000 Being a grappler and a striker, I've seen your devastating kick, that spinning roundhouse thing you do.

00:39:10.000 One way that, like, the difference between mobility, like, flexibility would be you maybe doing a split or putting your foot up on an elevated surface and just holding it and stretching, right?

00:39:18.000 Right.

00:39:19.000 That's flexibility.

00:39:20.000 But lifting your leg up slowly under control and extending it out and holding it, like the old Bruce Lee movie, you know?

00:39:28.000 That is mobility.

00:39:29.000 Right.

00:39:30.000 So practicing moving through the full range movement regularly is extremely good for the joints.

00:39:38.000 You keep your ability to move.

00:39:41.000 The other advice I have to these guys out there, tap early and tap often. 0.99

00:39:46.000 Don't be a fool.

00:39:47.000 And this whole concept that you can't tap to a lower belt, that gets so many guys hurt. 0.99

00:39:52.000 I can't tell you how many purple belts or brown belts get really PO'd because some really big, strong, or technical blue belt gets them in a bad situation and they feel they can't tap and they'll literally risk injury.

00:40:04.000 That's insane.

00:40:06.000 Yeah, it is insane. 0.97

00:40:07.000 Why in the heck?

00:40:07.000 It's very unfortunate.

00:40:08.000 I don't know how that ever started that you can't tap to a lower amount.

00:40:11.000 Well, the problem is if you feel bad about tapping, that's one thing.

00:40:16.000 But if you get injured, you're going to feel so much worse.

00:40:19.000 So much worse.

00:40:20.000 And it's going to take you so much longer to recover.

00:40:22.000 If somebody catches you in a guillotine, you're like, oh boy, this is tight.

00:40:26.000 You know what?

00:40:26.000 Let me just tap.

00:40:27.000 Fuck, I'm an idiot. 1.00

00:40:28.000 How did I get caught in that? 1.00

00:40:29.000 That feeling that you get is actually good for you.

00:40:31.000 It's good for you.

00:40:32.000 Because that way you'll realize, you know, you can't just let your neck hang out there.

00:40:35.000 You can't not defend.

00:40:37.000 You can't think about those potential steps.

00:40:38.000 And I see in a lot of jujitsu situations, I see...

00:40:43.000 When a higher belt will go with a very enthusiastic and a very ambitious lower belt, they oftentimes disregard the possibility of getting tapped, and that's how they get tapped.

00:40:55.000 Whereas some higher belts I've seen, they'll roll with a purple belt or a blue belt or a white belt, and they'll roll with everybody like that person's a ninja.

00:41:04.000 Every single person like that person is like the greatest grappler that they've ever faced in their life.

00:41:09.000 And if they do that, I'm not talking about going hard and being really physical and hurting them, but being aware of all the possibilities and being on your toes and being at 10 at all times.

00:41:20.000 If you do that, you're going to be fine.

00:41:22.000 Or purposely just put yourself in dangerous positions and get caught, just to practice.

00:41:28.000 I think it was Horian's boys, either Henner or Hero and one of those guys, They mentioned a guy that worked in their school, a black belt in his 50s, who was really down in the dumps over having been roughed up by a blue belt.

00:41:46.000 And they were saying, well, how old was the blue belt?

00:41:49.000 And the guy was like in his 20s and he outweighed him by about 30 pounds.

00:41:53.000 And I think they were the ones that came up with the idea that like for every 10 years of age and for every 10 pounds of weight, that's like the guy having an extra belt on you.

00:42:03.000 If he knows how to use it, for sure.

00:42:05.000 Yeah.

00:42:05.000 I mean, let's just say a big, strong, athletic white belt that's 20 years old and maybe outweighs me by 40 pounds, that's going to be like me fighting a guy at a much higher skill level.

00:42:18.000 What he lacks in skill and technique, he's making up for with hustle and youth, and he's not going to get tired, and strength.

00:42:26.000 Well, I also think it's very dangerous to roll with people that are much larger than you.

00:42:31.000 I mean, I think there's lessons to be learned in it, and I certainly did my share of it. 0.91

00:42:35.000 But man, there's a lot of times rolling with much larger guys, we come off and your neck is just fucked up, or your back is cracked, making weird noises. 0.83

00:42:44.000 It's like, Jesus, is this really worth it? 0.88

00:42:46.000 Unless the guy's really, really technical.

00:42:49.000 Yeah.

00:42:49.000 Well, if someone's really, really technical, then it's completely different.

00:42:52.000 Like I could roll with you and we could have a great time.

00:42:54.000 You wouldn't try to kill me.

00:42:55.000 You wouldn't try to crush me. 0.94

00:42:57.000 Maybe you'd sweep me and come on top.

00:42:58.000 But, you know, the smart big guy, if he's rolling with a smaller guy or, you know, an older guy, he's going to put himself on the bottom again and let you sweep me or whatever and just practice his defense in the bottom.

00:43:09.000 Well, I would way rather roll with a larger-than-me black belt than I would a larger-than-me purple belt.

00:43:15.000 Well, good point.

00:43:17.000 Also, if you roll with a larger-than-you black belt, like a Hydra Gracer or something, they don't have anything to prove. 0.98

00:43:23.000 They're not going to hurt you.

00:43:24.000 They've also been doing it for their whole life.

00:43:27.000 They know how to do it correctly.

00:43:30.000 You can get away with so much with physical strength and explosiveness and just weight and power, but that doesn't make you any better.

00:43:37.000 It's one of the reasons why I always tell people, if you want to learn Jiu-Jitsu properly, learn it from a little guy. 0.94

00:43:42.000 From a literal guy.

00:43:43.000 Learn it from like a Barrett Yoshida or a Hoyler Gracie or an Eddie Bravo.

00:43:47.000 If you learn jiu-jitsu from a smaller person, you're going to learn like really technical jiu-jitsu.

00:43:52.000 Like Master Elio.

00:43:53.000 Exactly.

00:43:53.000 His self-defense still stands the test of time, man.

00:43:56.000 Sure.

00:43:57.000 That's another thing that makes me really pleased to see that it's kind of gone full circle.

00:44:02.000 You know, jiu-jitsu was kind of going the way of a lot of other martial arts.

00:44:07.000 Like judo became like just a form of jacketed wrestling, really.

00:44:10.000 Mm-hmm.

00:44:11.000 And, you know, Taekwondo, Tangsudo, you know, they were at one point deadly martial arts.

00:44:18.000 But now they're, you know, a lot of the martialness has been lost in a lot of these different, especially if they go Olympic.

00:44:26.000 But that was happening to Jiu-Jitsu. 0.99

00:44:29.000 You know, people are just basically shaking hands and jumping on their ass. 0.99

00:44:31.000 Right. 0.99

00:44:32.000 And it was like, what?

00:44:33.000 Right.

00:44:34.000 And that's a fun game.

00:44:35.000 I'm not deriding it.

00:44:36.000 I'm not saying that the guys are not formidable athletes.

00:44:39.000 They're amazing.

00:44:41.000 But for the average guy, they're never going to be really great.

00:44:44.000 They're just going to be so-so.

00:44:46.000 They're doing it for fun.

00:44:47.000 I think it's important that you back yourself up with the self-defense.

00:44:49.000 And I see now a big trend to going back to the origins of football.

00:44:54.000 Jiu-Jitsu, the self-defense has been really big.

00:44:57.000 Guys want to know the basic stand-up street defense.

00:45:01.000 And it was extremely well developed in the old Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.

00:45:04.000 It was very well developed.

00:45:06.000 Gun, knife, stick, club, you know, all kinds of clenches, defending yourself against a guy trying to ground and pound.

00:45:14.000 It was all there, but it was lost.

00:45:16.000 It was lost.

00:45:17.000 Well, it is unfortunate when people are just trying to chase medals and win by points.

00:45:22.000 And in doing so, they become extremely unrealistic in the actual application against a fighter who knows what they're doing.

00:45:32.000 But one of the things that's really exciting right now is no-gi competition.

00:45:36.000 That's kind of cool.

00:45:37.000 Yeah, and what Eddie Bravo's done, did you see the Eddie Bravo Invitational, which was number six, was yesterday?

00:45:42.000 No, but I heard about it.

00:45:44.000 I heard some of the results, and it sounds like a very good way to contest skill versus skill.

00:45:49.000 Yeah, it's amazing.

00:45:50.000 What Eddie's done is he's figured out a way to, they have, it's submission only, so they go after it, right?

00:45:55.000 But when it reaches a time limit, if it reaches a time limit and there's no submission, then what they do is they start off in compromised positions, sort of like wrestling.

00:46:03.000 You know, in wrestling, one guy would start down, one guy would start off.

00:46:05.000 Like the referee's position.

00:46:06.000 Yes.

00:46:06.000 So you have the option of two positions.

00:46:09.000 Either you take the back with over-under, just over-under, not a choke locked in, but just the back with the hooks in and over-under, or spider web control, meaning arm bar.

00:46:19.000 The guy's defending the arm bar, lying on his back.

00:46:22.000 You're in side control, and you have the arm hooked, and your legs are across, and you start from there.

00:46:27.000 And so...

00:46:28.000 Either the person gets a tap, or the person on the bottom escapes the position.

00:46:35.000 And then you count up the amount of time.

00:46:37.000 So you do it...

00:46:38.000 I think there's three rounds of this.

00:46:41.000 And if someone taps, then the other person has an opportunity to tap that other person.

00:46:46.000 And whoever taps the quickest, like if one person taps the person within a minute and a half, the other person does it in 30 seconds, the 32nd person would win.

00:46:54.000 And if there's no taps in the, I think it's three rounds, three rounds of these submission attempts, then they count up the amount of time it took the person to escape.

00:47:04.000 So if one person escapes like 30 seconds quicker, you know, then the other person, that person would win.

00:47:10.000 That's how Gary Tonin wound up losing yesterday.

00:47:12.000 What a fair way to do it.

00:47:14.000 Yeah, it's a smart way to do it, too, because it ensures that you're going to have exciting situations.

00:47:18.000 Because if two guys are just locked up in front of each other and no one ever gets to a bad spot, you're not going to see any action.

00:47:24.000 But if a guy's on a guy's back and he has an over-under and they start from there, that's a dangerous spot.

00:47:30.000 And so you're going to see exciting stuff.

00:47:32.000 So it changes grappling from being this...

00:47:36.000 Thing that can really wind up, like Polaris, you know, they had those matches with Gary Tonin versus Husamar, Paul Hares, great matchup, but it went to a draw.

00:47:45.000 You know, AJ, I don't know how to pronounce his last name, Jake Shields.

00:47:48.000 Yeah, the audience wants a winner.

00:47:49.000 They want a clear-cut winner.

00:47:50.000 Yeah.

00:47:51.000 Plus, it gives the athletes a chance to showcase their skills.

00:47:55.000 Yes.

00:47:55.000 That's what people want to see.

00:47:56.000 They want to see the skill sets showcased.

00:48:00.000 And you don't get to see that because sometimes these guys are so damn good that they neutralize each other.

00:48:05.000 Yeah.

00:48:05.000 It doesn't always make for a great fight.

00:48:07.000 Two really good fighters?

00:48:08.000 I mean, you've seen this in the UFC many times.

00:48:11.000 You think, oh my god, this is going to be so good.

00:48:13.000 And it's like...

00:48:14.000 Oh man, this is really boring because the guys just basically neutralize each other because they're just so good.

00:48:19.000 They're so good they cancel each other out.

00:48:21.000 They cancel each other out.

00:48:22.000 That is a problem and I think Eddie's come up with a perfect solution with this format of putting guys in bad positions in the last stage of the match.

00:48:31.000 Sounds like a fun thing to compete in.

00:48:33.000 It's excellent.

00:48:34.000 And it's on Fight Pass now.

00:48:35.000 It's on UFC Fight Pass.

00:48:37.000 So now a lot of people are getting a chance to see it and they put videos on YouTube and all that jazz.

00:48:41.000 So this is at the pro level pretty much?

00:48:43.000 Yeah, $25,000 for the...

00:48:45.000 It might be kind of fun if they just did like a grassroots thing.

00:48:48.000 A grassroots thing?

00:48:49.000 Yeah, you know, just for, like, you know, amateurs to go in.

00:48:53.000 Yeah, it would be a great program.

00:48:54.000 Blue belt, purple belt, brown belt.

00:48:56.000 I don't know how...

00:48:57.000 I agree, yeah.

00:48:57.000 I don't know what the logistics of a tournament like that might be, but, man, I'll tell you, it'd be fun to compete in something.

00:49:02.000 Yeah.

00:49:03.000 Eddie's done six of them, and they've gotten better and better, and yesterday's was the biggest one, especially because it's on Fight Pass now.

00:49:10.000 But he's really figured it out.

00:49:11.000 You know, he's figured out how to make this an exciting thing to watch for people who are on the outside looking in.

00:49:17.000 Well, you know, speaking of that cast wrestling, a lot of people don't realize that pre-Civil War and just post-Civil War, wrestling was the most popular sport in America.

00:49:26.000 Really?

00:49:26.000 People used to sit outside the telegraph offices to listen to the results of a lot of these old-school wrestling matches.

00:49:33.000 It was way more popular.

00:49:34.000 Well, first of all, baseball was in its infancy.

00:49:37.000 It was like a Civil War era sport that was invented.

00:49:41.000 Basketball was still only like two schools, I think, were playing it.

00:49:44.000 They actually used real peach baskets. 1.00

00:49:48.000 Really?

00:49:48.000 Yeah.

00:49:49.000 Oh, wow.

00:49:49.000 Yeah, a physical education guy came up with a way just to, you know, like a game, just a conditioning game.

00:49:56.000 Wow.

00:49:56.000 That was the origins of basketball.

00:49:58.000 And football was like, yeah, football was like this big watermelon looking ball.

00:50:03.000 But wrestling was the most popular sport in America.

00:50:07.000 And it was real wrestling, though.

00:50:08.000 Oh, it was the old school catch.

00:50:10.000 Guys like Georges Hackenschmidt and Frank Gotch and Farmer Burns and even up to the era of Strangler Lewis, they were still doing real wrestling.

00:50:24.000 And then, of course, they started getting into more of the entertainment business.

00:50:28.000 How did it go bad?

00:50:29.000 Because it's really fascinating to me that wrestling itself is such an unbelievably difficult sport.

00:50:36.000 Like, if you watch amateur wrestling in the Olympics, at an Olympic level, it's unbelievably difficult.

00:50:42.000 And it's exciting and fun to watch, but there's no professional venue for it.

00:50:47.000 Well, until the UFC came along.

00:50:49.000 Right, but that's fighting, though.

00:50:50.000 Yeah, it's fighting.

00:50:51.000 For people who just want to wrestle, they can't.

00:50:54.000 It is a great basis, though, for a lot of different things.

00:50:57.000 It certainly is, no doubt about it, but it's just, to me, it sucks that there's not a professional avenue for actual wrestling.

00:51:04.000 For actual wrestling.

00:51:04.000 I mean, think about all the things that are on television, golf or whatever, where there's this massive professional venue for it.

00:51:11.000 It sounds like Eddie Bravo, though, has given one.

00:51:13.000 For jiu-jitsu, but jiu-jitsu is obviously very different than wrestling.

00:51:17.000 I mean, just wrestling itself, getting the pin and scoring points for takedowns and all those different things.

00:51:22.000 I mean, there's something to be said for that as a sport.

00:51:24.000 Maybe it's not the best as a martial arts for completing a fight, for finishing a fight, wrestling with the rules that are involved in amateur wrestling.

00:51:33.000 But to me...

00:51:35.000 The guys who get really great at wrestling, I would like to see them have a professional avenue, like a way to go from college and then compete as a professional wrestler. 0.99

00:51:46.000 Not that there's anything wrong with WWE if you're into that shit, but... 0.95

00:51:50.000 I would love it if it was an actual competition. 0.98

00:51:53.000 Yeah, actual, real, honestly, God, not choreographed, nothing from.

00:51:58.000 There was an attempt for a while to actually come up with a professional wrestling leg.

00:52:02.000 A couple attempts.

00:52:03.000 Yeah, but it kind of fell by the wayside.

00:52:06.000 Could you imagine if that was the case with basketball?

00:52:07.000 If you played basketball in college, and basketball was just like, really, like, people watched on ESPN, it was this big deal, it was in the Olympics in basketball, but then when you went to pro, everybody had to dress like a vampire, and you threw glitter onto the thing.

00:52:19.000 You know what I mean?

00:52:20.000 Like, you have music when you introduce, you have matches in a cage. 0.98

00:52:23.000 People are like, what the fuck happened to basketball?

00:52:25.000 There are some countries where they actually do have real pro wrestling based on basic... 0.97

00:52:33.000 Not exactly Olympic roles, but like...

00:52:38.000 You know, each country has their own little native martial art folk style wrestling.

00:52:44.000 Some of the African countries do this.

00:52:46.000 It's huge in countries like Somalia and what was the other country?

00:52:51.000 I met this guy that travels the world for the International Olympic Wrestling Federation.

00:52:58.000 And he was just doing like, just looking at all the different aspects of wrestling all over the world.

00:53:04.000 I met him when I was in Turkey.

00:53:05.000 I went to the Turkish National Championships of Oil Wrestling.

00:53:10.000 These guys are all pretty much like professional level dudes, man.

00:53:13.000 And this is the one where they wear these buffalo hide trousers that are tied off at the knee.

00:53:18.000 And then they basically just pour a bucket of olive oil over themselves.

00:53:22.000 And then they go out in a grass arena and they just wrestle.

00:53:26.000 And it starts out with like 50 dudes.

00:53:28.000 And then, you know, half of those guys lose.

00:53:31.000 And then they just keep going towards like two guys standing.

00:53:33.000 Yeah, why oil?

00:53:34.000 What happened there?

00:53:35.000 Why'd that go wrong?

00:53:37.000 During the Ottoman Empire, they had a standing army.

00:53:40.000 Basically, the Ottomans pretty much conquered the world.

00:53:42.000 So they had all these young soldiers with nothing to do.

00:53:46.000 And these guys were getting into some problems.

00:53:48.000 You know, you got to keep young men occupied. 0.51

00:53:50.000 So they came up with this.

00:53:51.000 But at the same time, you know, these are ferocious warriors.

00:53:55.000 You don't want your guys hurting each other.

00:53:58.000 So they came up with this idea of coating themselves with oil to make themselves slippery so you can go after each other, you know, like a rabid dog, but no one really gets hurt.

00:54:08.000 Wow.

00:54:09.000 And also it helps build heat tolerance because these guys were wearing armor in the freaking desert, you know, hundreds of degrees.

00:54:16.000 I mean, like 100 degrees and it really builds up a tremendous heat tolerance, you know, when you get used to training like that.

00:54:23.000 So training covered with oil builds up heat tolerance?

00:54:26.000 Yeah, I mean, the skin can't breathe, man.

00:54:27.000 It's pretty brutal.

00:54:28.000 Oh, wow.

00:54:29.000 Okay, I see that way.

00:54:30.000 So, like, you just, like, your pores really can't sweat that good.

00:54:34.000 Nope.

00:54:35.000 And those guys, they were able to keep themselves in tremendous shape.

00:54:41.000 That guy's got to work on his technique.

00:54:42.000 One of the things they do is reach inside the pants to get a grip. 1.00

00:54:46.000 And grab it to his butthole. 1.00

00:54:47.000 And it looks a little gay. 1.00

00:54:49.000 You think? 0.94

00:54:50.000 But I'll tell you something.

00:54:51.000 I actually put on the kiss bit.

00:54:53.000 The oil, and I wrestled with the former junior national champ.

00:54:57.000 Dude, he was almost breaking my ribs with the lever.

00:55:01.000 He would come inside the waistband of your trousers and put his elbow in your spine.

00:55:06.000 See, the idea is to flip the guy over and expose your belly button to the sky.

00:55:11.000 If you turned the guy over, you win. 0.96

00:55:13.000 Yeah, but the guy on the bottom, this is a terrible look.

00:55:16.000 It looks a little terrible.

00:55:18.000 He's like literally waiting.

00:55:20.000 Let's put it this way.

00:55:21.000 It would never fly in America.

00:55:24.000 Why is there a gap between the waist and the body?

00:55:29.000 It doesn't start that way.

00:55:31.000 It's really tight, but the oil over time.

00:55:33.000 But these guys are unbelievably strong.

00:55:36.000 And you can see the physics in these guys are like, oh my god.

00:55:39.000 And they are national heroes.

00:55:41.000 They're rock stars in their country.

00:55:43.000 But they're grabbing each other's packages, no?

00:55:45.000 No, no, no.

00:55:45.000 There's no sexuality at all.

00:55:48.000 Allegedly.

00:55:49.000 Listen, there's no way you can get your hand deep in there like that and not have some shenanigans.

00:55:54.000 He's looking at his friend going, my whole hand has escaped me.

00:55:58.000 You see how he's holding the leg and the pant?

00:56:01.000 That's used as leverage to flip the guy over. 0.99

00:56:04.000 It's almost like jiu-jitsu in a way. 0.99

00:56:06.000 Or he's making sure the guy can't get away while he's got his hand deep in his butt. 0.98

00:56:09.000 Yeah, well, that's part of it. 0.99

00:56:11.000 But...

00:56:12.000 I'll tell you.

00:56:13.000 Come on, man.

00:56:14.000 You can't have this.

00:56:15.000 I developed a keen respect for it, though.

00:56:18.000 I get it from that perspective.

00:56:20.000 I mean, the guys are athletes.

00:56:21.000 It's definitely difficult.

00:56:22.000 When they're flying to Western culture, no.

00:56:23.000 Right.

00:56:24.000 But you've done this before.

00:56:25.000 But these are strict Islamists, too, you know. 0.78

00:56:28.000 And any kind of homosexuality is punishable by death in these countries.

00:56:31.000 But you also know that that doesn't stop it. 0.99

00:56:33.000 Like, people that have gone over to Afghanistan have talked about Man Love Mondays or whatever the fuck they have over there. 0.97

00:56:38.000 There's a lot of... 0.98

00:56:39.000 The Mamba, you know, man, boy, love.

00:56:42.000 Super common, you know, that they have gay relationships.

00:56:47.000 Like, there was an article that was written about one of those gay websites, like an app, like a Grindr or something like that, and this guy went over to some forbidden country, you know, some Islamic country, and fired up the app, and it was just getting pinged left and right by all these gay dudes trying to hook up. 0.90

00:57:05.000 Get out of here! 0.99

00:57:06.000 Well, that's forbidden fruit, my friend.

00:57:07.000 Oh, my God.

00:57:09.000 You know how it is. 0.97

00:57:11.000 I mean, I'll get a load up and put on a buffalo hide and wrestle, but that's about as gay as it gets for me, man. 0.98

00:57:19.000 Yeah, but if you were gay, you'd be psyched. 0.98

00:57:20.000 I guess I would. 0.98

00:57:22.000 You know? 0.61

00:57:22.000 Like, if you were gay and somebody, like... 0.61

00:57:26.000 Put it this way, alright? 0.98

00:57:27.000 Being a heterosexual man, if a girl wanted to get all lubed up and wrestle and you could stick your hand down her pants... 0.76

00:57:34.000 Dude, I'd be there.

00:57:35.000 Exactly!

00:57:36.000 Matter of fact, after the show...

00:57:38.000 Honey, you got that coconut oil?

00:57:41.000 That's something set up.

00:57:42.000 What's up with the tarp?

00:57:44.000 Nothing.

00:57:44.000 Don't worry.

00:57:44.000 Just lay it down.

00:57:46.000 Roll out the vat.

00:57:47.000 You got a vat of oil?

00:57:48.000 Put your Lululemon tights on.

00:57:50.000 Yeah.

00:57:51.000 Those pants look like they're sturdy, at least.

00:57:54.000 It looks like it's difficult to rip.

00:57:56.000 They're buffalo hot.

00:57:57.000 It took me 15 minutes to get them on.

00:57:59.000 Really?

00:58:00.000 Because they're so stiff, they stand up by themselves.

00:58:02.000 It's almost like armor. 0.99

00:58:04.000 And I literally had to oil up my balls and my ass and my thighs just to slide in that thing, man. 0.99

00:58:10.000 Again, there's some things. 0.99

00:58:12.000 See, come on.

00:58:13.000 This is not good.

00:58:14.000 That's called a waist drag. 1.00

00:58:15.000 He's actually grabbing the jiu-jitsu belt.

00:58:18.000 That's what you could call it.

00:58:19.000 He's going to pull him down into a takedown. 0.98

00:58:22.000 It's called a cock holster in my world. 0.99

00:58:24.000 Right there. 0.94

00:58:25.000 Look at that one.

00:58:25.000 Boom.

00:58:26.000 Look at that.

00:58:27.000 That is outrageous.

00:58:29.000 He's lucky he didn't break his neck, man.

00:58:31.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:58:31.000 Well, I'm sure when you're dealing with people being real slippery like that, that's part of the problem with actually grappling.

00:58:38.000 Look at this.

00:58:38.000 Hey, my friend.

00:58:39.000 He's my friend.

00:58:40.000 That's the version of in prison, they hold onto your pocket.

00:58:45.000 That's what it is.

00:58:46.000 These guys looking at each other.

00:58:48.000 There are no girls.

00:58:49.000 What do you want us to do?

00:58:50.000 That's what they're saying.

00:58:52.000 In my country, there's no girls. 1.00

00:58:54.000 We just oil it up, throw it down.

00:58:57.000 But, you know, it is a very difficult way to grapple, all jokes aside.

00:59:01.000 That's really hard.

00:59:02.000 And in doing so, like, you have to develop.

00:59:05.000 Like, you learn that about no-gi as well.

00:59:07.000 And especially if you try to do no-gi with no shirts on.

00:59:10.000 There's a big difference between no-gi with a rash guard.

00:59:11.000 When you're in Abu Dhabi, it was like crazy.

00:59:14.000 The thing also about that was it was very safe for the soldiers to go full at it.

00:59:20.000 I mean, what do you do with a standing army with no war to fight?

00:59:23.000 What the hell do you do with these guys?

00:59:24.000 But at the same time, you know, you can't have them hurting each other.

00:59:28.000 That was the so-called origins of the whole sport.

00:59:32.000 Yeah, there was an NPR podcast on Radiolab about the origins of football and how football was created.

00:59:39.000 And that was one of the reasons why it was so appealing.

00:59:41.000 It was like a way to compete in war without actually having war.

00:59:46.000 I mean, you had objectives, you have goals, and instead of bullets and bodies, you had a football.

00:59:50.000 It's like team wrestling almost.

00:59:52.000 Sort of, yeah, in a lot of ways.

00:59:54.000 And in a way, like if you think of the, let's say the rugby scrum, it's kind of like the old shield wall, isn't it?

01:00:00.000 Yeah, sure.

01:00:01.000 When they formed the shield wall.

01:00:03.000 So, I mean, it's basically learning to work together, and there is grappling.

01:00:11.000 I mean, you're basically throwing guys down pretty hard, too.

01:00:13.000 Yeah.

01:00:14.000 I think whenever you have young men and you have competition, there's always going to be this desire to dominate.

01:00:22.000 Young men always want to dominate other men. 1.00

01:00:24.000 That's just always going to be the way it is.

01:00:26.000 So they've figured a way to have these workarounds that are acceptable by society.

01:00:31.000 And then, in fact, it became the biggest sport in the country.

01:00:34.000 Team warfare, man.

01:00:35.000 Team warfare, like the NFL, is the biggest sport in the country.

01:00:39.000 But, you know, it's interesting.

01:00:41.000 In the early football days, you know, you just didn't see the injuries like you do now.

01:00:44.000 I mean, there would be elbows, knees, shoulders like always, like all tough boy sports where you're throwing people to the ground.

01:00:50.000 You're going to get hurt.

01:00:52.000 But you didn't get the concussions.

01:00:54.000 And one of the theories I had was—and you don't see it in rugby or rugby union or Gaelic football or any of that.

01:01:00.000 You don't see it as much.

01:01:01.000 Not as much.

01:01:01.000 But you definitely do see it, right?

01:01:02.000 You definitely see it.

01:01:03.000 But it's not epidemic like in the NFL. I think the helmet became a weapon.

01:01:08.000 Yeah.

01:01:08.000 And they start using the head as a weapon.

01:01:11.000 Yeah, definitely.

01:01:13.000 And, you know, it would be interesting to see what the NFL does now with all these lawsuits and all these injuries.

01:01:21.000 Did you happen to see Will Smith in that movie...

01:01:23.000 Concussion?

01:01:24.000 No, I didn't, but I keep hearing great things about it.

01:01:26.000 Yeah, I've got to check that movie out because I heard he did a hell of a job.

01:01:30.000 I don't know what they can do to mitigate it.

01:01:33.000 Well, they do have a new kind of helmet now, I heard, that just came out that really reduces the sloshing of the brain.

01:01:38.000 How does it do that?

01:01:40.000 I think it's some kind of gel or something in the helmet, kind of like a soft kind of thing that takes the absorption.

01:01:47.000 You know, the helmets are hard.

01:01:48.000 Yeah.

01:01:49.000 So when you get hit, your brain still sloshes.

01:01:51.000 It's just like, you know, when you get hit with headgear on, it doesn't really stop the brain injury.

01:01:57.000 No.

01:01:57.000 You just take more hits because there's no surface injury.

01:02:00.000 Well, not only that, a lot of people think it actually accentuates the movement of the brain because of the fulcrum effect.

01:02:04.000 The fulcrum effect.

01:02:08.000 I believe they've taken...

01:02:10.000 Yeah.

01:02:10.000 There's a new helmet now that supposedly is gel-like that it takes the blow, but, you know, it saves the...

01:02:20.000 Yeah, we're seeing in here, Jamie pulled up this video, it says 0-1, believes it can reduce the chances of a player sustaining a concussion.

01:02:27.000 And this is interesting, because the helmet itself sort of gives and expands.

01:02:34.000 I would love to see that happen, because I love pro football, and I would be thrilled to see that they come out of a way that these guys can still play the game without suffering those horrible injuries.

01:02:49.000 I agree, but honestly, I feel like the real option is probably no pads, no helmet.

01:02:55.000 The same thing with MMA. Or like the original football in the U.S. Well, I think with MMA, one of the things that saves fighters versus boxing is that you really can't tee off on someone the way you can with boxing gloves.

01:03:09.000 With boxing gloves, you almost can have no concern whether or not you're going to hit a forehead or going to hit an elbow, unless you have small hands or weak hands.

01:03:17.000 It's much more rare that boxers break their hands than MMA fighters.

01:03:22.000 But even MMA fighters, I think, they have an unrealistic amount of protection on their hands, and it's just to protect their hands.

01:03:29.000 To this day, I'll get interviews.

01:03:31.000 I got interviewed after the guy died overseas really recently, and they were saying, do you think that maybe we should have bigger gloves, or maybe we should make people wear headgear?

01:03:42.000 I think the real answer is no gloves.

01:03:45.000 Not only no gloves, no wrist taping.

01:03:47.000 Because I think that one of the more difficult aspects about punching someone is that your wrist joint moves when you hit things, and it makes it way harder.

01:03:56.000 I mean, you have to really concentrate to keep your fist completely tight, make sure that your wrist doesn't move when you make impact, and you have to make impact with the first two knuckles primarily, otherwise you could break your hand.

01:04:07.000 Well, like the original UFC. I was one of the original investors.

01:04:12.000 I told you this.

01:04:12.000 I actually threw my little bit of money in there and was Hoyce's conditioning coach for those first three.

01:04:19.000 What did you have him do back then?

01:04:21.000 I was actually trying to build his strength as much as I could because jiu-jitsu provided all of the conditioning that he needed.

01:04:28.000 He was doing a lot of work with just bringing in fresh partners.

01:04:32.000 He wanted to stay a jiu-jitsu purist, although he used some kicks and so forth just to kind of Close the distance.

01:04:39.000 Just close the distance, fake the guy out, make the guy wonder, like, what's he doing, so that he could get the clinch and stuff.

01:04:45.000 He would smack guys, too, to open up things where you don't run the risk of breaking your hand.

01:04:49.000 But in all those original UFCs, the strikers all busted their hands.

01:04:53.000 A lot of them did.

01:04:53.000 There was, like, I think three broken hands in that first one.

01:04:58.000 Well, that's realistic, though.

01:05:00.000 That's realistic.

01:05:00.000 And ground and pound would cease to exist.

01:05:03.000 Yeah.

01:05:03.000 You can't just sit there and tee off.

01:05:05.000 Well, you could elbow people, for sure, just as much.

01:05:08.000 You could elbow people.

01:05:08.000 But imagine hitting someone at the elbow with your fist or at the top of the head.

01:05:11.000 Yeah.

01:05:12.000 So that whole ground and pound thing would pretty much go away.

01:05:15.000 Well, just reckless punching would go away.

01:05:19.000 Yes.

01:05:21.000 Yes.

01:05:34.000 You might, but I think you would also see a lot better Muay Thai.

01:05:38.000 You would see people would have to develop their Muay Thai because you wouldn't see any change in the weapons.

01:05:43.000 The knees, the kicks, the elbows, all would be exactly the same.

01:05:48.000 The only difference would be the punches.

01:05:49.000 So I think a really high-level Muay Thai practitioner would probably have a really good advantage if they can keep the fight on the feet.

01:05:56.000 If the fight went to the ground, you'd definitely see a big advantage for grapplers, especially in securing chokes because you've tried, I'm sure, to grapple with MMA gloves.

01:06:04.000 My God, it's just like wearing oven mitts or something.

01:06:07.000 Especially like rear nakeds.

01:06:08.000 If you try to get a rear naked choke, try to get the hand behind the neck.

01:06:10.000 Or even a good guillotine sometimes is really hard to get it underneath the chin and stuff like that.

01:06:14.000 Yeah, and especially if you like pretzel grips or something like that.

01:06:16.000 It's just so much padding.

01:06:18.000 You create a good solid two to three extra inches of space that you don't want with all the padding on the gloves.

01:06:25.000 And it just gets in the way.

01:06:27.000 And also, it's easy for your opponent to grab them and pull them off.

01:06:30.000 Pull them off.

01:06:30.000 I would love to see a return to the gloveless MMA. Yeah, I would too.

01:06:35.000 I think it would be really interesting.

01:06:37.000 I'd like to see a league somewhere, maybe on an Indian reservation or someplace, where they didn't have all the... 0.83

01:06:43.000 Boxing is the reason why they put the gloves on in the first place.

01:06:47.000 Sure.

01:06:48.000 The boxing commissions all wanted...

01:06:49.000 Well, actually, it was Tank Abbott.

01:06:52.000 You know, Tank Abbott was the first guy to wear those gloves.

01:06:54.000 Tank Abbott wore the Chuck Norris MMA gloves, which was before anybody had them.

01:07:01.000 Tank wore them like, I want to say, oh man, it was like early, early UFCs.

01:07:06.000 Because Tank was a power puncher.

01:07:09.000 And he was smart enough to realize, you know what?

01:07:11.000 I'll just tape my hands up, put these small padded gloves on that are going to protect my knuckles, and just mollywhop these dudes.

01:07:19.000 Was that before they went to the gloves?

01:07:21.000 Tank Abbott was before they went to the gloves.

01:07:23.000 The first UFC that I worked, they didn't have gloves.

01:07:25.000 I was at UFC 12. And they still didn't have gloves?

01:07:28.000 They did not have gloves.

01:07:29.000 It was not mandatory.

01:07:30.000 It was optional.

01:07:32.000 Vitor wore gloves, but he didn't have to.

01:07:34.000 I believe he also wore shoes.

01:07:36.000 No, he didn't wear them in those.

01:07:37.000 Yeah, I remember that some of the guys were still wearing the wrestling shoes.

01:07:39.000 He wore them when he fought Vandele.

01:07:42.000 That's him versus Oleg Tektarov.

01:07:44.000 Okay.

01:07:44.000 See, so Oleg has no gloves, but Tank has gloves on.

01:07:49.000 Interesting.

01:07:49.000 Yeah.

01:07:50.000 Tank was, I'm pretty sure Tank was the pioneer of wearing those kind of gloves.

01:07:54.000 And I think that they would call those, I don't think they called them MMA gloves back then because I don't think they had the term MMA. But the original gloves were Century gloves, you know, Century Martial Arts Supply Company.

01:08:06.000 For hitting the heavy bag.

01:08:07.000 Something like that, yeah.

01:08:09.000 And that's what the design came from.

01:08:11.000 The design of MMA gloves didn't come from someone sitting down and saying, we need the perfect glove for mixed martial arts.

01:08:17.000 No, they already had a model that was not really necessarily designed for MMA and they just sort of applied it to MMA and it became the standard.

01:08:25.000 There's a lot of really sloppy shit that's in MMA still to this day that shouldn't be there, that's only in there because it was in there in the beginning. 0.97

01:08:34.000 The 12 to 6 elbow, which I harp upon all the time, because I think it's so stupid that if you go down from 12 on the clock to 6 on the clock with an elbow, it's illegal. 0.99

01:08:44.000 Even if you hit someone on the thigh, which is so stupid, it's illegal. 0.98

01:08:49.000 And the reason why it's illegal is because the commissions, the athletic commission, saw people breaking bricks on those karate demonstrations. 0.99

01:08:55.000 You can't do that.

01:08:56.000 You would kill people!

01:08:57.000 So that's why that's illegal.

01:09:00.000 Not understanding that they...

01:09:02.000 Weaken those bricks.

01:09:03.000 Well, and also the reason why gloves are mandatory is because somehow or another they erroneously believe those gloves protect the fighters.

01:09:10.000 They don't.

01:09:11.000 Not at all.

01:09:12.000 But knowing that, knowing that you...

01:09:14.000 I mean, I think if we got a room full of athletes and fighters and martial artists, and we all had the discussion, we said, let's just have a show of hands.

01:09:22.000 How many guys here think that the gloves protect the opponent?

01:09:25.000 Right.

01:09:26.000 No, no.

01:09:27.000 You can punch so much harder.

01:09:28.000 So everyone who knows.

01:09:30.000 Everyone.

01:09:31.000 100%, I think, across the board.

01:09:33.000 I mean, there might be a contrarian or two that would step in and say, you know, hey, personally, I'd rather get punched by a guy with a glove than no glove. 1.00

01:09:39.000 But most people would say, fuck that. 0.99

01:09:41.000 Most people would say bare knuckles probably safer for everybody involved. 1.00

01:09:44.000 Safer.

01:09:45.000 Am I correct?

01:09:47.000 Did they not take the headgear off Olympic boxing?

01:09:51.000 They did.

01:09:52.000 Yes, and I think that's a good move.

01:09:53.000 I think it's a very good move.

01:09:55.000 You don't get hit as much when you don't have headgear on.

01:09:57.000 I used to hate headgear sparring because your peripheral would get screwed up, especially kickboxing.

01:10:02.000 It was really dangerous.

01:10:05.000 You know, you'd get hit with a jab, and you wouldn't even recognize the kick was coming, because they're coming over your shoulder until, whop, it's catching the side of the head. 0.98

01:10:14.000 Your peripheral would get all fucked up.

01:10:15.000 It would close your peripheral quite a bit, and I just always felt like I got hit way more when I had headgear on. 0.94

01:10:22.000 You know, it's interesting.

01:10:23.000 The little bit of boxing that I did do, I always noticed, I always kind of had a dull headache after boxing with headgear.

01:10:32.000 And when I didn't have the headgear, I didn't have that same headache.

01:10:35.000 It was weird.

01:10:36.000 Even back then, I could never understand why my head always hurt more after boxing with the headgear on.

01:10:42.000 Because your brain's squishing around anymore.

01:10:44.000 Well, now I know.

01:10:45.000 But at the time, I didn't put the cause and effect together.

01:10:48.000 All I knew was, intuitively, I hated wearing headgear when I was training.

01:10:53.000 Well, what's interesting when I've brought up this to people in high places, they always have the same thing.

01:10:59.000 The public would never go for it.

01:11:00.000 The public would think it's too brutal.

01:11:02.000 People would think it's too brutal.

01:11:02.000 I don't know, man.

01:11:03.000 But what have we created?

01:11:05.000 What have we created?

01:11:05.000 Because we created something, you know, not me.

01:11:07.000 I obviously didn't have anything to do with it.

01:11:10.000 What MMA is, is we have a completely new sport over the last few decades.

01:11:15.000 And this completely new sport has redefined the way people think about combat sports and fighting, right?

01:11:19.000 Okay. 0.96

01:11:20.000 Well, why don't we be honest about what fucking, what's happening? 0.99

01:11:23.000 And why don't we be honest about, how come you can shin kick a guy in the face? 0.99

01:11:28.000 I can shin you in the face, full blast, but I can't punch you with a bare knuckle. 1.00

01:11:34.000 Do you know how stupid that is? 1.00

01:11:35.000 Because a guy like, you know, take, you know, someone who's a power kicker, like a Vitor Belfort or something. 1.00

01:11:40.000 Oh my god.

01:11:41.000 The amount of power they could generate from a kick to...

01:11:44.000 In that raw shin to your face, it's so much more than anyone can ever punch.

01:11:49.000 I mean, like, multi-tools more.

01:11:51.000 Three, four, five times more.

01:11:52.000 It's like a baseball bat, basically.

01:11:53.000 It is.

01:11:53.000 Like a baseball bat.

01:11:54.000 But we don't have to wear shin pads.

01:11:55.000 How come we don't have to wear shin pads?

01:11:56.000 Because the public's not used to shins being covered. 1.00

01:11:59.000 It's all it is.

01:12:01.000 I really honestly think that the smartest move would be to ban tape.

01:12:05.000 You can't tape your wrists.

01:12:07.000 And bare knuckles.

01:12:08.000 I think so, too.

01:12:09.000 Well, if you go back in the early era of boxing, where it was all bare knuckle, you rarely saw knockouts.

01:12:17.000 Those fights used to go so, like, 30 rounds sometimes.

01:12:22.000 All those, you know, like Jack Johnson and those guys.

01:12:24.000 Do you think that's why they used to fight like this, too?

01:12:26.000 I think so.

01:12:26.000 They would, like, smack each other with the knuckles like that?

01:12:28.000 Yeah.

01:12:29.000 Or do you think they just didn't know any better?

01:12:30.000 I think they knew better.

01:12:32.000 I don't think the mighty men of old – there's not too much we could probably show those guys.

01:12:37.000 Imagine if we went in a time capsule back to Sparta, the first professional army in Europe, right?

01:12:43.000 Do you think we could actually show those guys anything about fighting or warfare and stuff? 0.99

01:12:47.000 I'll fuck all those dudes up. 0.99

01:12:48.000 Send me back. 1.00

01:12:49.000 No. 0.99

01:12:50.000 No, honestly, martial arts, I bet they'd get fucked up. 0.99

01:12:54.000 I really do. 0.97

01:12:55.000 Because when I look at the martial artists from 1993 that were competing in the UFC, and then I look at the martial artists of today in 2016, look at Jon Jones. 0.91

01:13:03.000 Do you know what the fuck Jon Jones would do to UFC 1? 0.76

01:13:05.000 I mean, you know how ridiculous it'd be if you send Jon Jones into UFC 1? 0.98

01:13:09.000 He'd be like, get that guy out of here.

01:13:10.000 This is not fair.

01:13:11.000 Like, he's doing a totally different thing.

01:13:13.000 I think the martial artists of today, like Demetrius Johnson, who I think is the best ever, But we're still talking modern, modern, modern.

01:13:19.000 Let's go 2,000 years ago.

01:13:21.000 You put Jon Jones in the gladiator arena. 0.98

01:13:23.000 You don't think he would fuck those guys up? 0.99

01:13:25.000 I think he'd be a hell of a gladiator. 0.99

01:13:27.000 I don't think anyone would have a chance.

01:13:29.000 I don't think they would know what they were doing.

01:13:31.000 I think they knew what they were doing.

01:13:32.000 Really?

01:13:33.000 Yeah.

01:13:33.000 Well, how come they didn't know in 1993?

01:13:37.000 A lot of this information had been lost.

01:13:39.000 Right, but even jujitsu, which jujitsu has evolved...

01:13:41.000 You know, this was like a resurgent of old stuff.

01:13:44.000 I mean...

01:13:44.000 Right.

01:13:45.000 Okay, I see what you're saying.

01:13:46.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:13:46.000 It's like the dark ages, you know, where they, you know, like in medieval times...

01:13:51.000 But they didn't have the ability to share information like they have today.

01:13:54.000 No, not at all.

01:13:55.000 There's no internet.

01:13:56.000 Yeah.

01:13:56.000 That's one of the reasons why jujitsu is at such a high level today.

01:13:59.000 There's all these viral BJJ, which is one of the ones I follow on Instagram.

01:14:02.000 There's a bunch of them I follow on Instagram, where they'll have moves of the day, and they show these moves, and you just...

01:14:07.000 I've been doing jujitsu for a long time!

01:14:10.000 And I'll watch something, and I'll just go...

01:14:12.000 Like the Home Alone guy.

01:14:13.000 I'm like, oh my god! 1.00

01:14:15.000 Look at this fucking move! 0.99

01:14:17.000 Like, every day these kids are coming up with new moves. 1.00

01:14:19.000 Every day.

01:14:20.000 I saw somebody figured out how to go...

01:14:22.000 Some dude went from being in a heel hook to catching a guy in a Kimura.

01:14:29.000 And spun out of the heel hook into a Kimura. 1.00

01:14:32.000 And I was like, what?

01:14:34.000 That's pretty amazing stuff.

01:14:35.000 What did you just do?

01:14:36.000 Like, you watched it.

01:14:38.000 And you just kind of replay it over and over and over again.

01:14:40.000 There's so many of those now.

01:14:42.000 Let's go back to what we were just talking about.

01:14:45.000 In ancient times, your ability to fight was a life or death thing.

01:14:51.000 You know, you were actually fighting to the death.

01:14:55.000 Right.

01:14:55.000 We don't have that.

01:14:56.000 True.

01:14:57.000 But usually in the military, it's with shooting and guns and stuff like that.

01:15:01.000 You don't see guys fighting.

01:15:03.000 I mean, it could be hand-to-hand, but for the most part, these guys were trained warriors that would fight hand-to-hand.

01:15:11.000 That's why I say, when you're fighting to the death, you're damn good at what you do.

01:15:16.000 If you live.

01:15:17.000 If you live.

01:15:18.000 But if you don't live, you don't get to really learn anything.

01:15:20.000 Yeah, but there's plenty of guys that did live.

01:15:24.000 Yeah.

01:15:25.000 And so my point is that they were well trained and they really knew what was going on.

01:15:31.000 I think there's some good points on both sides.

01:15:34.000 I think there were certainly some incredibly tough people back then, for sure.

01:15:37.000 Oh, my God.

01:15:38.000 I'm sure the pain threshold was unbelievable.

01:15:40.000 But I think there's also this longing for nostalgia that a lot of people like to apply to the ancient martial artists and the ancient fighters, and they like to look at all those guys.

01:15:48.000 Boy, if they could fight today, if you could get this guy.

01:15:52.000 Look, Jack Dempsey, who's a hell of a fighter and an amazing boxer and just an unbelievably tough man, wouldn't last one round with Mike Tyson.

01:16:01.000 Mike Tyson in his prime would have ran through Jack Dempsey.

01:16:04.000 He would have ran through all of them.

01:16:06.000 He would have ran through Gene Tunney.

01:16:08.000 He would have ran through all those guys.

01:16:10.000 Of course, he ran through everybody in the modern age, too.

01:16:12.000 I mean, is that because he was Mike?

01:16:15.000 Or is it because those guys were really that bad? 0.96

01:16:18.000 Because he made a lot of modern guys look pretty shitty, too. 0.96

01:16:21.000 He certainly did. 0.69

01:16:22.000 But he had the benefit of having all of those guys on film.

01:16:26.000 See, he had his version of the internet.

01:16:28.000 I agree.

01:16:28.000 What he had is his version of the internet, which was Customato.

01:16:31.000 And Customato, I mean, might not have got him on Reddit or, you know, showed him all the funny memes on Instagram, but what he did do is he played him these films, these black and white films of Sugar Ray Robinson, of Jersey Joe Walcott, of Rocky Marciano.

01:16:46.000 He got to watch these old school Jack Dempsey tapes and he got to emulate their techniques and understand.

01:16:51.000 And Customato would go over meticulously different positions and Different ways to encounter different styles and different ways to move to get better angles for counter shots.

01:17:01.000 And he learned from all those techniques.

01:17:04.000 In a way, those guys really didn't have the opportunity to do.

01:17:07.000 They had to train.

01:17:08.000 They had to learn from trainers.

01:17:09.000 They had to watch other people do it.

01:17:10.000 But they didn't have the benefit of having a library of film that spanned decades.

01:17:15.000 You made a very strong point.

01:17:16.000 Did you happen to catch him in Ip Man 3?

01:17:19.000 What is it?

01:17:19.000 Ip Man 3. No, what is that?

01:17:22.000 You know, the Wing Chun guy.

01:17:23.000 Oh, okay.

01:17:25.000 It was one of those crazy kung fu movies?

01:17:27.000 Yeah, yeah, but Mike Tyson had a...

01:17:28.000 Oh, that's right!

01:17:29.000 I saw the previews for that. 1.00

01:17:30.000 Dude, he looks scary as shit! 0.99

01:17:32.000 He sounds scary. 1.00

01:17:33.000 Even to this day, he looks like he could still, you know, if he just trained for, you know, six months or so, he looks like he'd still step in there and take somebody out.

01:17:42.000 Well, he definitely looks like he's still somewhat active.

01:17:45.000 There was a video of him hitting the bag recently for some shoot for something that he did.

01:17:49.000 And, you know, he starts off slow, starts getting loosened up, and then he starts teeing off in the bag, and you're like, oh, Jesus.

01:17:55.000 Oh, my God. 0.99

01:17:56.000 He'd still fuck people up. 1.00

01:17:57.000 He would still fuck people up. 1.00

01:17:58.000 Joe, you would still fuck people up. 1.00

01:18:00.000 I'm still haunted by that spinning back kick you did in your garage that time. 1.00

01:18:05.000 Your freaking banana bag bent in half, man. 0.99

01:18:07.000 My ribs just hurt just watching that, man. 0.99

01:18:10.000 Well, kicks are always going to be more powerful than punches.

01:18:14.000 I think that kicking technique is one of the few things that is a little bit behind in MMA in comparison to some of the traditional martial arts.

01:18:24.000 Especially like the spinning kicks and straight kicks. 0.84

01:18:28.000 Round kicks are pretty simple.

01:18:30.000 It's pretty straightforward.

01:18:31.000 If you look at the round kicks of the best Muay Thai fighters and the round kicks of the best Jiu Jitsu guys like Edson Barbosa, I think Barbosa is right up there with pretty much anybody as far as kicking technique in the world.

01:18:43.000 But spinning techniques, straight techniques like turning sidekicks, there's a little bit of lost knowledge in those.

01:18:49.000 Not so many guys know that, man.

01:18:50.000 Yeah.

01:18:51.000 Matt Serra used to have that awesome spinning back fist, man.

01:18:54.000 Yes.

01:18:54.000 Wow, that caught by surprise.

01:18:56.000 Am I correct?

01:18:57.000 You were the one that taught GSP that spinning back kick.

01:19:00.000 Well, he knew how to do it, but I helped refine it.

01:19:03.000 He actually came to me, John Donaher, who's like one of the best jiu-jitsu coaches in the world.

01:19:08.000 He's the guy who's in charge of, they call it the Donaher Death Squad.

01:19:11.000 He's all these guys out of Henzo Gracie's, like Gary Tonin, Eddie Cummins, all these animals.

01:19:15.000 Yeah, in New York, I had a chance to talk to him.

01:19:17.000 And the young man that won yesterday, I think his name is Ryan...

01:19:20.000 Gordon Ryan, I think his name is, who won EBI. Can you find out what his name is?

01:19:25.000 Young kid.

01:19:26.000 He's 20 years old.

01:19:27.000 He won the EBI tournament yesterday.

01:19:29.000 But Donaher and I were having dinner, and GSP wanted...

01:19:32.000 He asked me if I knew anyone who...

01:19:35.000 Because he knew that I came from a Taekwondo background.

01:19:38.000 He's like, do you know anybody who's a really good Taekwondo guy that can show GSP the fundamentals of the spinning back kick or the turning side kick?

01:19:46.000 Yeah, Gordon Ryan.

01:19:47.000 Young kid, 20 years old.

01:19:48.000 Won the EBI. 16-man tournament.

01:19:50.000 What's that I stand for?

01:19:52.000 EBI. Eddie Bravo.

01:19:53.000 Eddie Bravo.

01:19:54.000 Invitational.

01:19:54.000 Invitational, okay.

01:19:56.000 And so Don Herr asked him, and I said, well, I could show him some shit. 0.99

01:20:00.000 I know it's going to sound ridiculous, being a comedian and just a commentator. 0.99

01:20:06.000 That's just your disguise, man. 0.99

01:20:08.000 Well, it sounds, even to me, ridiculous.

01:20:12.000 To me, to say to John Donaher, who's one of the best jiu-jitsu teachers in the world, you know, hey, there's a guy that I know, his name's me.

01:20:23.000 You know, it's just...

01:20:24.000 Don't tell yourself short, Joe.

01:20:26.000 I'm not telling myself short.

01:20:27.000 I've been to your house and trained you a few times. 0.99

01:20:29.000 You're a beast.

01:20:30.000 Had it been another time, I think you probably would have been a hell of an MMA fighter yourself. 0.96

01:20:35.000 Maybe, man, but...

01:20:36.000 People ask me that all the time.

01:20:38.000 I say, Joe, probably...

01:20:40.000 I mean, you're a superior athlete.

01:20:42.000 There's no doubt about it.

01:20:43.000 You got the fast-twitch muscle fiber.

01:20:45.000 You got the power.

01:20:46.000 I think, had you had a chance, let's say maybe 10 years...

01:20:52.000 Prior to when it started, you know?

01:20:55.000 Well, that's very nice of you.

01:20:56.000 I don't know.

01:20:57.000 I'm not being nice.

01:20:59.000 I'm being honest.

01:21:00.000 You're a really athletic, strong guy.

01:21:02.000 Well, I certainly would have competed, you know, in MMA like I did in kickboxing and Taekwondo, but I totally honestly though, I've always been terrified of brain damage.

01:21:13.000 I knew too many people when I was young that I knew were punchy.

01:21:17.000 It scares the shit out of me. 0.97

01:21:19.000 It still to this day scares the shit out of me. 0.90

01:21:20.000 That's one of the reasons why I tell anybody if they're even thinking even they even have one foot out the back door and If they're thinking about getting out, get out.

01:21:29.000 Just get out.

01:21:29.000 Because there's going to be some animal in there that's not thinking about getting out.

01:21:32.000 There's going to be some crazed young psychopath who's only thinking about putting his shin to your face. 0.97

01:21:38.000 And he's probably going to do it. 0.97

01:21:40.000 Well, sooner or later it's going to happen.

01:21:42.000 You know, I lived in Philadelphia for many, many years.

01:21:46.000 And Smoke and Joe Frazier used to be down in my neighborhood sometimes.

01:21:49.000 The poor guy could barely put two words together.

01:21:52.000 You would say hello to him and you didn't even know what he said.

01:21:55.000 It was just really sad.

01:21:57.000 He was gone.

01:21:57.000 What happened to a lot of those guys?

01:21:59.000 I've seen it.

01:22:00.000 I've seen it in my time in the UFC. I saw it in my kickboxing days.

01:22:06.000 When I went from Taekwondo to kickboxing, I spent a lot of time in boxing gyms.

01:22:13.000 I got to watch a lot of guys get beat up in training, and over the course of just a few years, like three or four years, I could see deterioration.

01:22:21.000 And see, that's why jujitsu and submission wrestling is so much fun.

01:22:26.000 Yeah.

01:22:27.000 Because you can pretty much go full tilt, really spend yourself, get a nice workout.

01:22:32.000 No one necessarily needs to get hurt.

01:22:35.000 Right.

01:22:35.000 If it hurts, even if it's highly uncomfortable, you just, you know...

01:22:39.000 That's it.

01:22:40.000 You know, I mean, provided your guy lets go, you always have to have trust with your partners.

01:22:45.000 But that is one thing you can do well into a van stage.

01:22:49.000 And it is a great anti-aging tool if you go at it in the right way.

01:22:55.000 Yeah, and I think one of the things that you brought up earlier when it comes to joint mobility and just flexibility and mobility, I think it's very important that people realize that if you want your body to be healthy, you have to use it all the time.

01:23:10.000 You have to use it all the time.

01:23:11.000 You can't have any excuses.

01:23:13.000 Old men actually have to work out more than young guys. 0.99

01:23:16.000 I got to work out every day, even a couple hours.

01:23:19.000 Every day?

01:23:20.000 Just to maintain, yeah.

01:23:20.000 Seven days a week?

01:23:21.000 Yeah.

01:23:22.000 No, it's not hard.

01:23:23.000 Right.

01:23:23.000 I'm not doing high intensity every day.

01:23:26.000 You know, high intensity twice a week, so I don't burn out.

01:23:29.000 Even younger guys, especially if you're involved with any kind of sport, you got to be really careful that you don't overtrain.

01:23:35.000 Overtraining is epidemic amongst grapplers, jiu-jitsu guys, even MMA guys are just chronically burning out.

01:23:42.000 But, you know, two hard workouts a week is enough.

01:23:45.000 And every day, you've got to do plenty of mobility.

01:23:49.000 And I like to do plenty of breathing exercises, walking, cardio.

01:23:53.000 And I do some static stretching.

01:23:55.000 But it's enabled me to still, you know, I can still hold my own on the mat.

01:23:59.000 I surprise guys sometimes when we get on the mat and roll around.

01:24:03.000 At first they start babying me, and then they say, oh, well, old Steve, he's still got it going there.

01:24:08.000 And then they start upping the ante a little bit.

01:24:10.000 Of course, at the end, I'm usually the one tapping.

01:24:15.000 How was your shoulder?

01:24:16.000 I know you were having some shoulder issues for a while.

01:24:17.000 I still got some issues with it.

01:24:19.000 Did you ever get it looked at by a doctor?

01:24:21.000 I did. 1.00

01:24:21.000 There's a big old bone spurn there just from doing silly, stupid shit, not tapping quick enough. 1.00

01:24:26.000 Had a couple injuries to it, you know. 1.00

01:24:27.000 It started back in college, actually.

01:24:29.000 So I don't do any overhead pressing or anything anymore.

01:24:32.000 I can still do Hindu push-ups and things like that.

01:24:34.000 I can still do dips.

01:24:35.000 Well, you still do those shield casts with clubs.

01:24:40.000 Not so much because I can't travel with that stuff.

01:24:43.000 So I pretty much went to body weight and isometrics and so forth, you know, a lot of mobility stuff.

01:24:48.000 But here's a good resource for your listeners.

01:24:53.000 Any of you guys out there listening that have shoulder issues, go and buy the book Shoulder Pain, Its Solution and Its Prevention by Dr. John M. Kirsch.

01:25:02.000 He was a former orthopedic surgeon.

01:25:16.000 Mm-hmm.

01:25:19.000 Cured almost every type of shoulder ailment.

01:25:22.000 It would get people out of pain.

01:25:24.000 Well, explain a brachial hang.

01:25:25.000 It's a pull-up with the palms facing away.

01:25:27.000 Okay.

01:25:27.000 Shoulder width.

01:25:28.000 You know, I usually don't use my thumb or finger.

01:25:31.000 Okay.

01:25:32.000 I mean, my thumb.

01:25:34.000 You don't grab it like you would grab a baseball bat?

01:25:37.000 No, just like a monkey grip, we call it.

01:25:38.000 Which is what you would do for a grappler anyway.

01:25:40.000 You never really grab it.

01:25:41.000 Exactly.

01:25:41.000 Like a Americana holder.

01:25:43.000 Right.

01:25:44.000 And you just hang.

01:25:45.000 And it stretches out the coracoid bone.

01:25:47.000 What bone is that?

01:25:49.000 It's like a little bone in the shoulder that what happens is, as you get older, it starts to...

01:25:55.000 In fact, bring it up, that book, Shoulder Pain is Solution.

01:25:59.000 We need to make a t-shirt that says, bring that up, Jamie.

01:26:01.000 There we go.

01:26:02.000 This book is...

01:26:06.000 Shoulder pain.

01:26:06.000 Yeah, shoulder impingement, rotator cuff tears, labral tears.

01:26:13.000 Damn, four and a half stars on Amazon, 135 customer reviews. 0.98

01:26:17.000 That is a strong endorsement right there. 0.99

01:26:19.000 Dude, I'm telling you, man.

01:26:20.000 Of course, part of my problem is it's hard to find a horizontal bar sometimes when you're traveling.

01:26:26.000 You know, they take all the pull-up bars out of the playgrounds.

01:26:29.000 Why?

01:26:30.000 I don't know.

01:26:31.000 Maybe poor Johnny's too obese to pull himself up.

01:26:34.000 God forbid he'd feel bad about himself.

01:26:36.000 Does it have to be this way?

01:26:38.000 Yeah, it's got to be a brachial hang.

01:26:40.000 So it has to be palms facing forward, not like this.

01:26:43.000 Let the shoulder come out of the socket, and you just hang passively until your grip starts to get tired.

01:26:48.000 You can do it multiple times.

01:26:50.000 You would be absolutely amazed how good your shoulders would feel from doing that.

01:26:54.000 So full arm strength, or full arm locked out?

01:26:56.000 Yeah, you just completely...

01:26:57.000 Like this?

01:26:58.000 Yeah, and you just completely...

01:26:58.000 So not like this, like you were doing before?

01:27:00.000 No, no.

01:27:00.000 Completely relaxed.

01:27:01.000 Okay, so you just hang. 0.84

01:27:02.000 Just hang. 0.89

01:27:03.000 And just let the humerus come out of the socket and hang.

01:27:07.000 So what is it doing?

01:27:09.000 It's just like relaxing impingements?

01:27:11.000 It just opens up the joint.

01:27:12.000 It gives the humerus more ability to move.

01:27:15.000 Even with the bone spur I have in the shoulder, when I hang regularly, I have zero pain.

01:27:20.000 Whoa, that's crazy.

01:27:22.000 And this guy stopped doing surgery.

01:27:24.000 This is a guy that made his living doing surgery.

01:27:26.000 Now he doesn't advocate.

01:27:28.000 He says, this works better.

01:27:29.000 Wow.

01:27:30.000 This is an orthopedic, board-certified orthopedic guy.

01:27:32.000 And he shows the Kwari study, where he did a study with old folks.

01:27:38.000 I'm telling you, it feels really, really nice.

01:27:42.000 Really, really, really good.

01:27:44.000 I use this for all my clients.

01:27:46.000 I do a lot of online personal training, fat loss, diet programs and such.

01:27:49.000 And all my guys that have shoulder issues, I get them hanging.

01:27:54.000 And yeah, there he is.

01:27:57.000 Interesting.

01:27:58.000 I'll tell you, Joe, if you're having any shoulder stuff going on right now, just start hanging every day, even multiple times.

01:28:03.000 Your shoulders are full of good.

01:28:05.000 That's amazing.

01:28:06.000 I know it sounds counterintuitive, like it's too simple to be true, but it's one of those things that is true.

01:28:11.000 Well, I had some tears in my shoulder, and I was having some pain, so I finally went and got an MRI. Apparently it had been dislocated, and I never even knew it had been dislocated, you know, from Jiu-Jitsu.

01:28:22.000 I don't even want to see the damn pictures.

01:28:23.000 And I had a labral tear, I had a torn biceps tendon, and I had a, what is it, a Label and rotator cuff. 0.98

01:28:35.000 Rotator cuff tear, too.

01:28:36.000 You have any spurs in there? 0.99

01:28:38.000 I got a bunch of shit going on in there. 1.00

01:28:40.000 Well, anyone that's played hard boy sports like we have all our lives, you're going to get that shit. 0.99

01:28:46.000 But I'm telling you, what Kersh found, it didn't matter what the source of the injury was, the relief is profound when you do that daily hanging. 0.98

01:28:55.000 It's just that amazing.

01:28:57.000 Well, what I have done is get stem cell shots.

01:29:01.000 I got stem cell shots in the shoulder, and it's incredible.

01:29:05.000 I mean, the healing... 0.52

01:29:07.000 First of all, I had all this clicking and weird shit that was going on there. 0.99

01:29:09.000 All that shit went away. 1.00

01:29:10.000 Wow. 1.00

01:29:11.000 You throw the hangs in there.

01:29:12.000 Yeah, I'm in.

01:29:13.000 I'm in.

01:29:13.000 I'm hanging.

01:29:14.000 I wish I could hang right now.

01:29:16.000 I'd like to do it right now while we're doing the podcast.

01:29:18.000 I'd like to hang.

01:29:19.000 I need to find some kind of portable device that...

01:29:22.000 What about one of the ones that goes in front of a door?

01:29:24.000 Like those ones that you do in a door stop?

01:29:27.000 Oh, that'd be great, but I'd have to buy one in each city and then just dump it.

01:29:30.000 That's annoying.

01:29:32.000 You're committed to this, or you were saying before that you might be thinking about Maui as a base.

01:29:36.000 Well, I am slowing down just a little bit.

01:29:40.000 I've been doing this since about 2005, I think.

01:29:45.000 Well, when I met you, you had a truck.

01:29:47.000 Yeah, I was living in a van, a camper van. 0.99

01:29:48.000 And you're like, I can't be bothered with this fucking truck. 0.99

01:29:50.000 And I really liked it. 0.99

01:29:52.000 But then I started traveling.

01:29:53.000 What the hell do you do with your RV? You can't just park it somewhere.

01:29:58.000 You can't store it.

01:29:59.000 You've got to find somebody you like and leave it at their house.

01:30:01.000 And you've got to turn the engine over.

01:30:03.000 You've got to maintain.

01:30:05.000 Mice get inside a lot of these RVs underneath the electrical wiring up.

01:30:08.000 And, you know, it totally destroys your electrical systems.

01:30:11.000 Really?

01:30:11.000 Yeah.

01:30:12.000 Abandoned vehicles, you know, if you just set it, little critters get in there.

01:30:16.000 Wow.

01:30:16.000 Yeah, it's not uncommon at all.

01:30:18.000 So what the hell do you do with it?

01:30:19.000 So I finally just sold it.

01:30:21.000 Talking of the power of the internet, I sold my camper van.

01:30:25.000 To a guy I'd never seen.

01:30:27.000 I was in Germany.

01:30:28.000 He was in San Diego.

01:30:30.000 And the van was up in Seattle.

01:30:34.000 I sold it to him sight unseen.

01:30:36.000 Just sent him pictures.

01:30:38.000 I was very honest. 0.97

01:30:39.000 I had a bunch of shit wrong with it. 0.98

01:30:40.000 I told him every single thing that was wrong with it. 0.99

01:30:43.000 You know, we agreed on the price.

01:30:44.000 He wired me the money.

01:30:46.000 I mailed him the title and the key because I traveled with, you know, I kept the key and I had the title with me.

01:30:52.000 I mailed that to him.

01:30:53.000 He went up and got it and drove it back down to San Diego from Seattle.

01:30:58.000 Wow.

01:30:58.000 Power of the internet, my friend.

01:31:00.000 That's amazing.

01:31:00.000 I put it on Craigslist, and boom, boom.

01:31:04.000 I had a few people bid on it.

01:31:06.000 And if you would have told me, oh, even 20 years ago, that I'd be making a living on the internet, you know?

01:31:14.000 Well, essentially you make a living doing not just seminars, but you do have a lot of online stuff.

01:31:18.000 A lot of online stuff, yeah.

01:31:19.000 Once I understood the power of the internet for doing online personal training, wow.

01:31:28.000 Well, a lot of people found out about you, me included, because of the internet.

01:31:32.000 I mean, I found out about you from researching kettlebell exercises, and that's how I got some of your early stuff.

01:31:37.000 Also, I knew about you because I knew that you were one of the first American Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belts.

01:31:42.000 One of the first.

01:31:43.000 Yeah.

01:31:44.000 Hells and Grace is first to be sure.

01:31:46.000 I think there was a bunch, there was a couple guys the Machado's had given, but I was like that first tier of actual Gracie jiu-jitsu guys.

01:31:55.000 And then Horian and Master Elio had the Gracie instructor training program.

01:32:00.000 They were concerned that, you know, of the teaching quality.

01:32:03.000 There was a lot of guys out there teaching that probably shouldn't have been teaching.

01:32:06.000 So they wanted, they had a specific educational style, like how to teach the moves, and I was the first person to graduate from that instructor training program.

01:32:15.000 It was really good.

01:32:16.000 Well, I'm sure you're aware now of the controversy of this Gracie University, the thing they're doing online.

01:32:22.000 Yeah, the sun's got a little carried away with that blue belt. 1.00

01:32:27.000 I'm not real thrilled with that.

01:32:29.000 Well, there's one guy who's giving away brown belts online.

01:32:32.000 Get out of here.

01:32:32.000 Yeah.

01:32:33.000 Do you mean Gracie?

01:32:34.000 No, no.

01:32:35.000 I don't even want to say his name, but he's a pretty respected guy.

01:32:38.000 Really?

01:32:38.000 And I read on the Underground that he's giving away up to brown belt online.

01:32:41.000 How could you possibly respect that?

01:32:44.000 I mean, the only way I would think that it would make sense...

01:32:47.000 Unless he came and tested, physically tested and improved himself.

01:32:49.000 That's what I was going to say.

01:32:50.000 I have seen guys that have trained pretty much from the internet.

01:32:55.000 I went to Tahiti.

01:32:56.000 I was hired by a group of grapplers to prepare them for the Society Island Championship.

01:33:03.000 It was very popular.

01:33:05.000 Grappling is a traditional sport amongst the Polynesian peoples.

01:33:09.000 And I went to Tahiti.

01:33:11.000 I stayed there for three months.

01:33:12.000 I trained these guys for the Sasati Island Championships.

01:33:15.000 And the guy that was running it was still a white belt. 0.92

01:33:18.000 And he was a prison guard there in Tahiti.

01:33:21.000 Big guy.

01:33:22.000 And an unbelievable grappler.

01:33:24.000 He outweighed me probably about 50 pounds, yet he was very soft, relaxed, technical.

01:33:29.000 He had never actually had a teacher.

01:33:31.000 He learned it all watching online on the internet, speaking of the power of the internet.

01:33:35.000 Wow.

01:33:35.000 And I loved the way he trained with me.

01:33:37.000 He was very respectful, even though I was like 30 years older than him and much smaller.

01:33:42.000 We had some good training.

01:33:44.000 I just gave the guy the blue belt right in the spot.

01:33:47.000 Wow.

01:33:47.000 I mean, there's no way that that guy was a white belt.

01:33:49.000 You know, I've done that at different places where people don't have a good instructor, where they are under-promoted, and I get on the mat with them, I see what they can do, and I say, wow, okay, this guy is under-promoted.

01:34:02.000 He just hasn't had a chance to have a legitimate guy give him a promotion.

01:34:06.000 Who was that guy rolling with?

01:34:07.000 Did he have training partners?

01:34:09.000 He had a whole group of students, and he was the teacher, basically.

01:34:12.000 White belt teacher, wow.

01:34:13.000 Yeah, white belt teacher.

01:34:13.000 And his guys were good.

01:34:15.000 They were really, really good.

01:34:16.000 Well, if you just really pay attention to the fundamentals and you really understand the principles behind each individual technique, you can learn a lot online today.

01:34:25.000 You can learn a lot online.

01:34:26.000 But not brown belt. 0.76

01:34:27.000 No.

01:34:28.000 I just feel like there's...

01:34:29.000 I think it's a little...

01:34:30.000 You need someone there, right there with you.

01:34:33.000 Blue belt, almost anyone can get that.

01:34:35.000 Yes, I agree.

01:34:36.000 I mean, I heard a really funny analogy one time from, I think, one of Carly Gracie's black belts, or maybe it was a health guy, but he said basically a white belt is a sperm. 0.98

01:34:45.000 Just the seed.

01:34:47.000 By the time you're a four degree white bout, you're like a little baby that was just born. 0.96

01:34:53.000 And then the blue bout is like a little toddler, like just a little kid.

01:34:57.000 Doesn't even know what he doesn't know yet.

01:34:58.000 But by the time you're like a four degree blue bout, you're like a child.

01:35:02.000 And then the purple bout is like a teenager.

01:35:05.000 Yeah, like a dangerous teenager.

01:35:06.000 Yeah, you're a little...

01:35:07.000 You know, you got the technique, but you just, you know...

01:35:11.000 They're starting to know that they can do it, too.

01:35:13.000 Purple belts, I feel like, are some of the most dangerous. 1.00

01:35:15.000 That's a dangerous guy because a lot of times he's still using a lot of power, but he got the technique too.

01:35:20.000 And then, of course, by the time you're a brown belt, you're like a young man. 0.91

01:35:25.000 Basically, a brown belt is a black belt in disguise. 0.84

01:35:28.000 Once you make brown belt, you're going to make black belt unless you just outright quit.

01:35:32.000 And then a black belt is like a grown man. 0.98

01:35:37.000 But for me, I don't know about you, but once I got the black belt, I felt like a whole new layer of learning was taking place at that point.

01:35:46.000 Well, you'd never stop learning in jiu-jitsu as long as your body still works.

01:35:50.000 Like we're talking about these new moves that are constantly coming out.

01:35:53.000 But then, you know, John Jock Machado has this really interesting take on things.

01:35:58.000 He said, the more you know, the less you use.

01:36:00.000 The less you use.

01:36:01.000 He goes, I might know 10,000 techniques, but to win a match, I might use two.

01:36:04.000 Yeah.

01:36:05.000 Well, Salo said that one time.

01:36:06.000 He says, look, I know 30 ways to pass the guard, but I only use two.

01:36:09.000 I have a backup move A and then backup plan B in case it doesn't work.

01:36:15.000 And I think that's just the way it is, man.

01:36:17.000 Especially that Salo game, that intense pressure solid top game.

01:36:22.000 He uses body weight so well.

01:36:23.000 You know, when I used to train with Salo, he could tap me out on the cross side without even putting a submission hold, just crushing me with his weight.

01:36:31.000 And he's not, I mean, he's heavy, but he's not that heavy.

01:36:34.000 Right.

01:36:34.000 He just would rob your breath.

01:36:36.000 It was just the most horrible feeling.

01:36:38.000 It's like being waterboarded or something, man.

01:36:41.000 It was like, oh my God, the intense pressure.

01:36:43.000 He learned to do that, you know?

01:36:46.000 But, yeah, I think for as far as moves and so forth, Probably one of the most outstanding clinics I've ever witnessed was when Jean-Jacques Machado was in the second Abu Dhabi.

01:37:00.000 I actually went over to the Arab Emirates, and I wanted to support Salo and Hoyler at that time.

01:37:06.000 And I couldn't believe the clinic he put on.

01:37:09.000 All closed guard, too.

01:37:10.000 That's another lost art.

01:37:11.000 You don't see too many guys use it.

01:37:13.000 You know, Kron uses a good closed guard.

01:37:15.000 But Jean-Jacques put on a clinic.

01:37:19.000 Unbelievable, man.

01:37:19.000 He had this super fight with Mario Sperry.

01:37:22.000 I never saw such.

01:37:23.000 He almost put Sperry out, man.

01:37:25.000 Yeah, Jean-Jacques is no joke, man. 0.62

01:37:27.000 He's always been a beast.

01:37:28.000 He's a really brilliant person, too.

01:37:31.000 Like, as a human being, he's a great guy.

01:37:33.000 On top of being this amazing jiu-jitsu practitioner, he's just a beautiful human being.

01:37:38.000 And from that closed guard, he only used four basic moves.

01:37:41.000 Triangle, arm lock, omoplata, guillotine, and of course, you know, some sweeps to back it up.

01:37:47.000 That was it!

01:37:48.000 Yeah.

01:37:48.000 And the way he put them together was like a machine gun attack.

01:37:52.000 It was like the guy in the guard was working so hard just not to get caught.

01:37:58.000 Never saw anything like it.

01:37:59.000 It was like, wow.

01:38:00.000 Just goes to show you that the basic's done well.

01:38:04.000 That's all you really need.

01:38:05.000 Yeah, well, you know, Hickson and Krohn, I mean, Krohn to this day still just uses the basics.

01:38:10.000 Unbelievable.

01:38:11.000 I mean, you know, and that's, it sounds derogatory almost, like someone, like Minotauro once got upset that Vinnie Magalese, Vinnie Magalese was talking about his jiu-jitsu and he said it's very basic.

01:38:22.000 But that's not bad.

01:38:23.000 Basic is not bad at all.

01:38:25.000 Someone said that about me, I'd take it as a compliment, personally.

01:38:28.000 You know, basic is best.

01:38:30.000 Just honed to a razor-sharp edge, all the basic techniques that you know.

01:38:34.000 I think there's, like, Hodger Gracie's another example of that.

01:38:37.000 Another example.

01:38:37.000 One of the best jiu-jitsu artists in the world, but very basic.

01:38:40.000 What year was that where he won his division and then he tapped everybody in the open division with an X-choke from the mountain? 1.00

01:38:48.000 I don't know.

01:38:48.000 He used that one takedown, that one throw he does, he mounted every single, and these were all professional level best black belts in the world, he tapped every single guy with the basic x-choke from the mat.

01:39:00.000 Crazy.

01:39:01.000 That's the first thing you learn, right? 0.83

01:39:04.000 Yeah.

01:39:04.000 Your first couple months in jiu-jitsu, you learn basic x-choke.

01:39:08.000 The guy tapped the best in the world just doing basic stuff.

01:39:12.000 Well, there's such an advantage in Jujutsu to being tall and long.

01:39:15.000 Oh, what a nightmare.

01:39:16.000 It's a giant advantage because the tall and long guys have so much leverage.

01:39:21.000 So much leverage.

01:39:21.000 And also the ability to get techniques and lock them up where a short, stubby-armed person like me just doesn't...

01:39:28.000 My arms don't connect in spots.

01:39:30.000 Like with Darce chokes and things along those lines where you just... 0.99

01:39:33.000 They have more space.

01:39:35.000 They have so much space.

01:39:36.000 Like their arm goes deeper.

01:39:37.000 They can...

01:39:38.000 But you'll see people with every type of physique type do well in jiu-jitsu because, you know, speaking like fireplug kind of build, I mean, no one was shorter and stubbier than Solo.

01:39:46.000 Right.

01:39:47.000 Yeah, he's like one of the most winningest jiu-jitsu guys ever in the world.

01:39:51.000 True.

01:39:51.000 Wow.

01:39:52.000 You know, he just maximized, he adapted the jiu-jitsu to his physique.

01:39:57.000 Or Hussmar Poharis.

01:39:58.000 Another perfect example.

01:39:59.000 It's a little tank.

01:40:00.000 That's the cool thing about the game.

01:40:02.000 It doesn't matter how you're built, big, tall, short, whether you carry a little extra weight or you're really skinny, you can adapt the jiu-jitsu to your own body.

01:40:11.000 So we were talking about you moving to Maui.

01:40:14.000 Yeah.

01:40:14.000 We got off track a little bit.

01:40:16.000 Yeah.

01:40:17.000 Why Maui and what makes you...

01:40:19.000 Well, you're going to laugh at this because it's not scientific, but it is.

01:40:24.000 I use an astrologer.

01:40:25.000 This guy is amazing.

01:40:26.000 He used to be a Stanford professor.

01:40:28.000 Can I say his name?

01:40:28.000 Sure.

01:40:29.000 Okay.

01:40:29.000 His name is Robert Koch.

01:40:31.000 His website is starcenter.com.

01:40:33.000 I've been using this guy for a few years. 1.00

01:40:36.000 When I first heard about it, I thought, this is such bullshit. 0.99

01:40:38.000 I'm never going to do this. 0.99

01:40:41.000 The person that turned me on to it was my girlfriend, and she says, listen, man, just do a reading with this guy.

01:40:47.000 Just do a reading.

01:40:49.000 And I'm saying to her, you mean you take advice from a guy you've never met?

01:40:52.000 And you're going to listen to this guy?

01:40:54.000 So I gave him my birth date, the time of birth, where I was born.

01:40:58.000 That's it.

01:40:59.000 Plus my name.

01:41:00.000 He read my life to me.

01:41:01.000 I was like, how are you doing this?

01:41:03.000 Well, maybe he got on Wikipedia.

01:41:05.000 Maybe.

01:41:07.000 But this is an impromptu call, so I don't know.

01:41:11.000 All I know is that it's based in mathematics.

01:41:14.000 He believed, you know, like the Pythagoreans, you know, they believed everything can be explained in numbers and mathematics.

01:41:19.000 He was a former Stanford professor.

01:41:22.000 He came from academia.

01:41:23.000 And he gave it all up to this basic astrological...

01:41:28.000 But even more important, he's like an old philosopher.

01:41:31.000 He's read all the ancient Greek philosophers.

01:41:33.000 He's also...

01:41:34.000 Have you heard of this mental science?

01:41:37.000 Mental science.

01:41:38.000 Mental science.

01:41:39.000 Basically, your reality is based on your thoughts, and your current reality is based on the sum total of all your positive and negative thoughts.

01:41:47.000 Thoughts are a vibrational pattern, and the vibe you put out is the vibe you attract. 0.71

01:41:51.000 So if you're like a real negative person, always saying negative statements and feeling a lot of negative emotional things, you're probably going to have a pretty shitty life.

01:42:01.000 And if you're thinking like a higher thought, of course the highest would be love.

01:42:06.000 That would be the highest vibration.

01:42:07.000 You're going to have good things happen to you.

01:42:09.000 That's the basic, in a nutshell.

01:42:11.000 It's much more complicated than that.

01:42:13.000 So like The Secret, essentially.

01:42:15.000 Like The Secret, right, which is a great little book.

01:42:18.000 Anyway, Robert developed his astrological...

01:42:24.000 Based on mental science as well as basic physics.

01:42:29.000 So anyway, he read my life.

01:42:31.000 He looked at all the places in the world because, you know, you put off a vibration like an energy vibration.

01:42:39.000 It can actually be measured.

01:42:42.000 Yours would be as identifiable as your fingerprints or, you know, like an eye reading, iridology or whatever.

01:42:47.000 And there's places on the earth that put off a vibration also.

01:42:51.000 And the place that vibes best with me is anywhere in the South Pacific, but in particular, Maui.

01:42:57.000 And he really honed it down to the town Lahaina, Maui.

01:43:02.000 Did he try to sell you a house there?

01:43:05.000 I know the spot.

01:43:06.000 67 Clover Lane.

01:43:08.000 Yeah, there we go, man.

01:43:09.000 Let's go online and look at that.

01:43:10.000 Oh, the house is for sale! 0.99

01:43:13.000 Damn, Robert, you're amazing. 0.99

01:43:15.000 So anyway, Maui is supposedly the best vibration for me. 0.99

01:43:19.000 For you.

01:43:20.000 For me.

01:43:20.000 So explain to me how this guy goes about it.

01:43:23.000 So he finds out what your address or what your date of birth is, what part of the world you're born, what time you were born, and then...

01:43:31.000 What's he plugging in?

01:43:33.000 He has some kind of computer program with all his charts and numbers, and he plugs all this stuff in.

01:43:37.000 And then I ask him, like, well, what is it you're actually looking at at the computer?

01:43:41.000 And it says – it's just basically – he says, I can't make exact predictions.

01:43:46.000 He said, if I could make exact predictions, I'd play the stock market and – but I can come up with high probability for certain things happening.

01:43:56.000 And also, he's looking at...

01:43:58.000 You ever hear the collective consciousness?

01:44:01.000 You know, you have your higher consciousness, you have your subconscious, but then there's a collective mindset.

01:44:06.000 It's like everyone's emotions and moods and thoughts, right?

01:44:11.000 Right now, it's one of fear.

01:44:12.000 You know, everyone's so afraid.

01:44:15.000 I'm traveling all over the world, so you can literally feel the fear.

01:44:18.000 Right now, Europe is all up in arms because of the terrorist attacks and things, and people are really scared with ISIS and all this.

01:44:24.000 There's like a real fear mentality.

01:44:26.000 The problem is, if you give in to that fear mentality, you actually create the very thing you're afraid of, because you're basically concentrating on that.

01:44:33.000 It's like a form of visualization, right?

01:44:35.000 It was like the shark thing we were talking about.

01:44:39.000 I probably would create a situation where I'd meet a shark if I went swimming in the ocean because, you know, I put too much energy into that.

01:44:46.000 Yeah, me too.

01:44:47.000 Whenever I stick the snorkel, the goggles underneath, I'm like, where is he?

01:44:49.000 Yeah, exactly. 1.00

01:44:50.000 Where's that fucker? 0.99

01:44:51.000 For you and I, we would probably possibly actually attract a negative situation like that. 1.00

01:44:57.000 Just saying.

01:44:58.000 But anyway, there is a collective mindset.

01:45:00.000 You can even feel like different countries have different moods.

01:45:03.000 When I get off the plane, I can actually feel that I'm pretty sensitive to this.

01:45:06.000 Like in Russia, it's real somber, kind of almost depressed, you know?

01:45:11.000 A place like Maui is like, oh my god, I just feel so happy.

01:45:15.000 Because they're so lucky.

01:45:15.000 They're in paradise.

01:45:16.000 They're in paradise.

01:45:17.000 Yeah.

01:45:18.000 The mood is much higher.

01:45:19.000 The Aloha spirit, as they say.

01:45:21.000 Aloha spirit.

01:45:21.000 So he told me that was the single best place.

01:45:23.000 Other places were a place in Alaska.

01:45:26.000 It's a place near...

01:45:28.000 Where was it?

01:45:29.000 A little town.

01:45:29.000 I can't even recall.

01:45:31.000 And then another place was...

01:45:32.000 What part of Alaska?

01:45:33.000 Near the coast?

01:45:34.000 On the coast.

01:45:34.000 The coast is not bad.

01:45:36.000 Like near Anchorage?

01:45:37.000 Yeah, it was near Anchorage.

01:45:38.000 It was a little town.

01:45:39.000 You'd be amazed at how moderate the climate is, too.

01:45:42.000 Everyone says it's quite nice, though.

01:45:44.000 So, you know, but still...

01:45:46.000 Alaska, Turkey, Maui.

01:45:48.000 Alaska, Turkey.

01:45:49.000 I think I'll go to Maui.

01:45:51.000 Yeah, it's not a bad choice.

01:45:52.000 It wasn't a hard choice, you know?

01:45:53.000 Well, it's a very relaxed environment in Maui, too.

01:45:56.000 Like, the place is relaxed.

01:45:58.000 It's a relaxed place to live.

01:45:59.000 You know, as far as, like, the people that live there, they're really cool and chilled out.

01:46:03.000 Totally chilled, man.

01:46:04.000 My webmaster lives there, Chris Crook.

01:46:07.000 Awesome guy.

01:46:08.000 So I always have business to do with him.

01:46:10.000 He's been doing a great job for me.

01:46:12.000 What if the guy told you you need to live near oil mines in South Dakota?

01:46:18.000 Would you be less reluctant or more reluctant?

01:46:21.000 Well, that would be interesting.

01:46:22.000 Oil mines near South Dakota.

01:46:24.000 You know what I'm saying. 0.99

01:46:25.000 Someone that sucks. 1.00

01:46:26.000 You need to live right outside of some fracking fucking compound. 1.00

01:46:30.000 Yeah, that's an interesting point. 0.99

01:46:31.000 I think someone with a really negative mindset might have attracted a place like that.

01:46:36.000 But I try to keep the vibe heavy and, I mean, light at a higher level.

01:46:43.000 And, you know, you can attract goodness and abundance in your life.

01:46:49.000 Just like The Secret.

01:46:50.000 That's a good book for people to start.

01:46:52.000 That U.S. Anderson was quite an interesting guy.

01:46:56.000 The power of positive thinking for sure is real.

01:46:58.000 I mean, for sure there's a lot of good that can be done in your life if you look at things, if you have a positive approach.

01:47:05.000 You could look at things in a good way and have those things have positive attributes, have benefit in those things.

01:47:13.000 Or you could look at the exact same thing, the exact same moment in your life and just decide that this is the end, life is terrible, you're a loser, and people have these Deeply grooved patterns that they've carved out in their consciousness over years and years of approaching different situations with very similar reactions.

01:47:33.000 And it's almost like automatically, like something happens to you, everything always goes wrong for me. 0.99

01:47:37.000 God, my life sucks. 1.00

01:47:38.000 I'm such a loser. 0.99

01:47:39.000 But if you compared your life to someone who's born in Bangladesh or Ethiopia or someplace where people are really genuinely unfortunate. 0.98

01:47:48.000 They would be laughing at you.

01:47:50.000 They'd be like, you live in America and you're white and you don't have cancer. 1.00

01:47:53.000 Will you just shut the fuck up? 1.00

01:47:55.000 What's wrong with you? 1.00

01:47:56.000 A perfect example of that would be George Costanza's character, right?

01:48:00.000 On Seinfeld, right.

01:48:01.000 Right, the guy that no matter how good he had it, he always would manage to screw it up somehow and things would always turn bad.

01:48:08.000 But we've all had the experience, right, of being in a room and someone would come into the room, kind of a dark vibe, and the whole room vibe would go down.

01:48:18.000 Sure.

01:48:18.000 But then we've also had the experience where a guy would come in who was a real bright, positive-thinking person, and everyone's mood would just slip.

01:48:26.000 That's that collective consciousness you've got to be so aware of.

01:48:29.000 Because not every thought that a person has is their own.

01:48:32.000 It can come from the outside.

01:48:33.000 We don't manufacture all our own thoughts.

01:48:36.000 You can be influenced by negative thinking from other people.

01:48:39.000 Positive thinking from other people and you got to start to be very conscious of the kind of thoughts passing through your brain and Reject those those negative thoughts and it's not easy.

01:48:49.000 It's like a discipline like working out It really is and it's also one of the more important aspects about surrounding yourself with positive people When you surround yourself with positive people, you find them to be inspirational, you get excited, you all think along similar lines, you support each other and help each other, and it benefits everybody.

01:49:05.000 And you develop a real keen sense of love and community.

01:49:10.000 Whereas if you're around people that are constantly negative, you're in conflict all the time.

01:49:14.000 All the time.

01:49:15.000 You're wearing out, you're constantly getting exhausted too by the stress of And I have a theory in that, too.

01:49:20.000 And it's not just my theory.

01:49:21.000 I mean, it's part of the mental science we were talking about.

01:49:24.000 I believe that those people are the ones that attract all sorts of degenerative diseases and, you know, bad things happen.

01:49:33.000 Well, it certainly can play a factor, especially stress.

01:49:37.000 You know, stress has been shown to be devastating to your immune system.

01:49:40.000 People that have really stressful lives and don't get enough sleep and are constantly negative and thinking about things.

01:49:45.000 Sleep is more important than diet.

01:49:47.000 You know, people that are overweight, man, I'll tell you, you could be in the best diet in the world and still having a lot of struggle with weight if you're missing your sleep.

01:49:56.000 I've seen that many, many times, even with my own clients, because I do a lot of fat loss programs.

01:50:02.000 And, you know, guys will be eating pretty decent and not losing the weight.

01:50:06.000 And then, you know, I'm looking, they're only getting like five and a half, six hours a night, and they're really stressed.

01:50:10.000 You know, you have a tendency to really hold on to water and And your body will hold on to that body fat.

01:50:16.000 It's hard to lose.

01:50:18.000 Yeah, that is an interesting aspect of lack of sleep is that your body holds on to fat.

01:50:23.000 It really holds on.

01:50:24.000 And also fluids, you know, what they call false fat.

01:50:27.000 It's not even fat.

01:50:29.000 It's just like all this fluid just gets trapped in the tissues.

01:50:32.000 It might as well be fat because it just is unattractive and just is uncomfortable, you know?

01:50:38.000 So did you bother investigating what this guy is doing about this astrology stuff?

01:50:44.000 Did you bother looking into it or just like listen to him?

01:50:46.000 Well, his website is quite interesting.

01:50:49.000 His rating list is, like, fantastic, you know, for people...

01:50:53.000 But what is the astrology itself based on?

01:50:55.000 It's based on the position of the stars to the time you were born?

01:50:58.000 Yeah, it's a heliocentric...

01:51:00.000 The old astrology was Earth-based, because they believed that Earth was the center of the universe.

01:51:05.000 He created his own heliocentric, you know, with the sun as the center.

01:51:09.000 And then it's just basically...

01:51:10.000 This guy created his own astrology?

01:51:12.000 He did.

01:51:14.000 How does one do that?

01:51:15.000 How does one create their own astrology?

01:51:17.000 I could almost, and I say almost, almost understand how someone could imagine that if you looked at thousands of years of data, you could figure out that people develop certain personality traits if they're born during certain times,

01:51:35.000 and you could sort of try to align those times with the constellations in the sky that are moving, and the You know, just the way the earth wobbles and where the stars are at any given moment.

01:51:48.000 That kind of almost makes sense, but this guy doing it on his own.

01:51:52.000 Like, how's he doing that?

01:51:53.000 You know, I don't even pretend to really understand it.

01:51:56.000 No, what sold me?

01:51:58.000 I didn't have to.

01:51:59.000 He said Maui.

01:52:00.000 He said Maui.

01:52:02.000 I didn't have to understand it because he basically read my life to me like a book.

01:52:08.000 There's no freaking way that he could have known this information.

01:52:12.000 What kind of stuff could he not have known?

01:52:15.000 Just the way my life went, man.

01:52:16.000 You know, like my relationship with my parents and the relationship with my ex-wife and the way my marriage went and the way my marriage dissolved.

01:52:24.000 And like, you know, all sorts of stuff like that.

01:52:27.000 Like sort of like a tarot card reader.

01:52:30.000 Yeah, but a tarot card reader... 1.00

01:52:33.000 Is bullshit. 1.00

01:52:35.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:52:36.000 Exactly. 0.78

01:52:36.000 And this is not bullshit. 0.78

01:52:39.000 Let's put it this way. 0.87

01:52:40.000 He's told me not to do stuff.

01:52:44.000 And I've done it.

01:52:45.000 And it never has worked out for me, man.

01:52:48.000 Right.

01:52:48.000 But isn't it possible that one of the reasons why it didn't work out is because he told you not to do it?

01:52:52.000 And that you thought about it?

01:52:54.000 And your negative thinking?

01:52:55.000 And I had a negative thinking.

01:52:56.000 Just like we talked about?

01:52:57.000 Yeah, like in the brain.

01:52:59.000 All I know is every time I go against him, It usually doesn't work out.

01:53:04.000 And when I listen to the guy, it almost always works out.

01:53:07.000 Right, but this is sort of contrary.

01:53:09.000 This goes along with what you just said.

01:53:11.000 Like, you're almost not giving yourself advice.

01:53:13.000 You're not following your own advice.

01:53:15.000 You literally were just talking about thinking about things in a negative way.

01:53:18.000 Being afraid of thinking, like things are predestined.

01:53:21.000 Right, so this guy has sort of created these scenarios that you shouldn't engage in.

01:53:25.000 Well, here's an interesting thing.

01:53:26.000 Like, he's told me something on my chart, right?

01:53:29.000 Uh-huh.

01:53:30.000 And then I'll call him a day or two later and it's completely changed.

01:53:33.000 Your chart's changed.

01:53:34.000 Yeah, like something changed.

01:53:36.000 And I said, well, wait a second.

01:53:37.000 Two days ago you said I shouldn't do this.

01:53:39.000 Now you're saying it's okay?

01:53:41.000 He claims, like quantum physics, right?

01:53:44.000 If you change your thought or your vibration level, he actually sees a change on his chart on his computer.

01:53:51.000 What?

01:53:52.000 Yeah.

01:53:54.000 Okay, this makes zero sense.

01:53:56.000 Well, I'll give you another example of how this might work.

01:54:00.000 I had this guy that was a professor, he was actually a PhD in biochemistry in board-certified nutrition.

01:54:08.000 His name was Dr. Greg Rialis.

01:54:10.000 And he used to take hair samples, right?

01:54:13.000 And he would test these things out for various deficiencies, this, that, and the other thing, right?

01:54:18.000 And he was into this electric...

01:54:22.000 Basically, I am attached to that hair forever.

01:54:27.000 And as my body would change, the hair sample would change, even though I was no longer connected to it.

01:54:34.000 Change how?

01:54:36.000 It would no longer show the deficiency when he would retest it.

01:54:39.000 What?

01:54:40.000 I know, man. 1.00

01:54:41.000 It's some pretty crazy shit. 1.00

01:54:43.000 I'm not buying it. 0.99

01:54:44.000 He was a hardcore scientist, man, PhD.

01:54:46.000 Maybe he just had a tumor.

01:54:49.000 This doesn't make any sense.

01:54:50.000 I don't buy that.

01:54:52.000 That doesn't make sense.

01:54:53.000 Your physical hair is not going to change.

01:54:57.000 It would actually change.

01:54:58.000 I don't believe it.

01:54:59.000 Well, I had trouble believing it myself.

01:55:01.000 But did you see it?

01:55:02.000 Did you know for a fact?

01:55:03.000 Have you read into it?

01:55:04.000 Have you looked at data?

01:55:05.000 Have you seen it tested and peer reviewed?

01:55:07.000 I didn't really actually understand the process.

01:55:10.000 Right, but this is...

01:55:10.000 But I knew him not to be a liar.

01:55:13.000 I'm sure he's not, but he might just be delusional.

01:55:15.000 See, looking at something like that, you're talking about something that defies physics.

01:55:19.000 It defies science, defies everything.

01:55:20.000 Yeah, but now with quantum physics, that completely threw physics on its ear.

01:55:24.000 Right, but it's...

01:55:24.000 We know that electrons can occupy more than one space.

01:55:28.000 Right.

01:55:28.000 Which now opens up the whole door for parallel universes, all sorts of stuff.

01:55:34.000 Stephen Hawking just recently claimed that the black holes are like a door from one universe to another.

01:55:42.000 So there's all this crazy stuff that just put everything on end, what we know about physics and medicine and everything else.

01:55:50.000 I believe that.

01:55:52.000 There's an actual book called Vibrational Medicine that they actually talk about this.

01:55:55.000 Check out that book.

01:55:56.000 Right, but see, here's the problem.

01:55:57.000 You're not testing subatomic particles when you're testing hair.

01:56:02.000 When you test someone's hair, and you're testing hair for various mineral deficiencies and vitamins, those things aren't flying through the air and going back and forth.

01:56:09.000 So if your hair is deficient...

01:56:11.000 He was actually testing at the vibrational level of the hair.

01:56:15.000 What?

01:56:16.000 What does that mean?

01:56:17.000 Everything puts off an aura.

01:56:20.000 You can photograph it with the Karelian photography.

01:56:22.000 You can actually photograph the energy.

01:56:25.000 Everything has an aura.

01:56:26.000 Even this cup, this table, your body.

01:56:29.000 An aura that you can actually prove?

01:56:31.000 A real aura?

01:56:32.000 Or an aura that someone who believes in crystals?

01:56:34.000 They've actually taken pictures of it.

01:56:36.000 You've heard of the Karelian photography?

01:56:37.000 No.

01:56:38.000 How do you spell that? 1.00

01:56:39.000 Oh, fuck. 1.00

01:56:40.000 How do you spell that? 1.00

01:56:41.000 Karelian Photography.

01:56:42.000 Yeah, Karelian Photography.

01:56:42.000 Karelian Photography.

01:56:43.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:56:43.000 They actually have taken pictures of this.

01:56:45.000 And he can actually measure, right, the energy coming off this.

01:56:50.000 And it matched me.

01:56:52.000 Well, Jamie's a photographer.

01:56:54.000 Jamie should know about Karelian photography. 1.00

01:56:56.000 You ever hear about that shit, Jamie? 0.99

01:56:57.000 I can't say I've ever heard of it. 1.00

01:56:58.000 If you ever tried to bang some chick who's really into crystals, I bet she'll talk to you about it. 1.00

01:57:02.000 Yeah, man.

01:57:03.000 Check it out.

01:57:04.000 Anyway, it's pretty similar.

01:57:06.000 Listen, it works for me, man.

01:57:08.000 Well, I understand that it probably has its applications.

01:57:12.000 The power of the mind.

01:57:12.000 Right, the power of the mind.

01:57:13.000 But is it a big, giant placebo effect?

01:57:16.000 I don't know.

01:57:16.000 Oh, I do know this.

01:57:17.000 In a recent study, they found that placebo drugs work about 40% better than real drugs.

01:57:23.000 What test is this?

01:57:25.000 There was a thing that I read.

01:57:26.000 They didn't give them placebo mushrooms.

01:57:28.000 I read a whole...

01:57:29.000 They were giving people regular medication from pharmaceutical stuff, and they found that placebos worked way better.

01:57:36.000 Well, for what application though?

01:57:40.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:57:41.000 Like when you say that the placebos worked way better. 1.00

01:57:44.000 For pain relief and stuff like that.

01:57:46.000 Well, pain relief makes sense because a lot of pain relief you can actually do with your own mind.

01:57:52.000 I don't take pain pills.

01:57:53.000 Me neither. 0.75

01:57:54.000 I got knee surgery and I didn't take a damn thing.

01:57:58.000 I've just read so many negative side effects of the ibuprofen and the Well, ibuprofen is probably the safest of all of them, and it's still not good for you.

01:58:08.000 But my fear was always, I just knew too many people that got addicted to pain pills.

01:58:12.000 And I'm like, well, what's the worst part about pain?

01:58:15.000 It just doesn't feel good.

01:58:16.000 Well, isn't that just okay?

01:58:19.000 Can't you just deal with not feeling good while you heal?

01:58:21.000 Like, at least now I know I'm in pain because I'm healing.

01:58:25.000 An awful lot of pain is, you know, a mind thing.

01:58:30.000 How you approach the signal.

01:58:31.000 Yeah, like that back pain guy, Stuart McGill.

01:58:35.000 Dr. John Sarno.

01:58:36.000 Yeah, but also that Stuart McGill.

01:58:38.000 They were looking at x-rays of people's backs.

01:58:40.000 And, you know, people with chronic back pain a lot of times would not have any physical reason to be in back pain.

01:58:47.000 Right?

01:58:48.000 And then they were looking at...

01:58:49.000 You know, pictures of guys that were active like us, and their backs are a mess, all sorts of slip distance.

01:58:55.000 And the guys are not in any pain at all.

01:58:57.000 I must be afraid to look at an x-ray on my back, you know?

01:59:00.000 Yeah, right.

01:59:01.000 They tell you to feel bad.

01:59:03.000 Yeah, right.

01:59:03.000 If anybody would have a messed up back, it's got to be me.

01:59:06.000 All the falls and throws I've taken over, you know, 45 years of wrestling and jiu-jitsu.

01:59:11.000 Little tiny micro-injuries constantly.

01:59:13.000 But yet I'm not in any pain at all.

01:59:15.000 Yeah.

01:59:16.000 Well, pain is an interesting thing in that I think the mind can regulate pain.

01:59:20.000 Well, that's what I meant by the pharmaceuticals.

01:59:24.000 But it doesn't make sense with other applications, like anti-epileptic medications or things along those lines, where you just know for a fact there's a physical effect on the body that these drugs have.

01:59:37.000 They don't understand placebo effect.

01:59:39.000 That's one thing for sure.

01:59:40.000 They know that placebo effect is real and it does work in certain circumstances.

01:59:44.000 It's the power of the mind.

01:59:46.000 Well, especially depending upon who is receiving that effect and how much the person believes that this thing is going to heal them.

01:59:53.000 And if people, you know, what I find, a lot of people are really into the body, but they're not really working with their mind or their thoughts or anything like that.

02:00:02.000 You know, it takes a lot of discipline.

02:00:04.000 It does, but it also, you really have to clearly establish what's woo-woo, what's nutty, crazy, crystal bullshit, and what is... 0.51

02:00:13.000 An applicable modality.

02:00:15.000 What can you really do as far as meditation, as far as things that are repeatable, things that people have shown to have a beneficial effect on your consciousness, a beneficial effect on the way you approach life?

02:00:29.000 And that is pretty much individual.

02:00:32.000 It is.

02:00:33.000 You know, you really have to, like you say, do self-experimentation.

02:00:36.000 Yeah.

02:00:36.000 Like, what I just talked about might sound pretty damn weird to a lot of people, but so far it's been working for me.

02:00:42.000 Well, as long as it works for you.

02:00:44.000 And I feel good about it.

02:00:45.000 Yeah.

02:00:46.000 And I don't feel like it diminishes my life in any way.

02:00:50.000 No one's taking advantage of me.

02:00:53.000 You know, I feel like confident and really good about the type of information I'm getting.

02:01:00.000 And I found it work, but like you say, power of the mind.

02:01:04.000 Well, if you just approach it on that level, if you say, okay, this guy's going to give me advice, and I'm going to find this advice to be beneficial, and I'm going to follow through with it, and I'm going to use that as a guideline, and I'm going to have good confidence in that these choices are going to be correct because of this guy and his knowledge. 0.98

02:01:20.000 My problem is I've seen too much bullshit.

02:01:23.000 And so whatever beliefs I might have had even six years ago before I started this podcast, a lot of them have eroded just under scrutiny. 0.98

02:01:32.000 I hear you.

02:01:33.000 I always advise people, give the guy a call.

02:01:36.000 The first session's free.

02:01:38.000 If you think he's a crackpot, never call him again.

02:01:41.000 Yeah, but I mean, what I would want to do, my problem with something like that is I would want to go down the rabbit hole.

02:01:46.000 I would want to find out, okay, how are you making these distinctions?

02:01:49.000 Like, how did you devise this method?

02:01:51.000 What's going on behind the scenes?

02:01:53.000 What do you base this on?

02:01:54.000 How do you know?

02:01:54.000 What are you saying?

02:01:56.000 Like, what are you saying? 1.00

02:01:56.000 When you tell someone, hey, don't take that flight to Germany because something bad's going to happen, like, who the fuck are you? 1.00

02:02:02.000 How do you know that? 0.99

02:02:03.000 You don't know that.

02:02:03.000 And the reality is you tell someone, don't do something.

02:02:07.000 If you tell someone, hey, Steve, I really don't think you should go to Florida. 0.99

02:02:10.000 Oh fuck, the guy says I shouldn't go to Florida. 1.00

02:02:12.000 You're already starting a cascade of negative thoughts. 1.00

02:02:15.000 And that, to me...

02:02:16.000 Well, that is a very good point, and I have thought about that, you know? 0.97

02:02:19.000 Yeah, well there's not a fucking person in the world that can tell you that if you pick up your car keys and drive your car to Minnesota, something's gonna go wrong. 0.99

02:02:27.000 So if this guy's telling you that, I call bullshit. 0.99

02:02:30.000 Not only do I call bullshit, but I think that that kind of stuff is kind of dangerous. 0.97

02:02:36.000 What he's looking at is like, you know, we're really influenced by the collective a lot, you know, like people's general moods and so forth. 0.94

02:02:42.000 He gives me like a little heads up.

02:02:44.000 He's able to see that.

02:02:46.000 How so?

02:02:47.000 It helps me.

02:02:47.000 Like, if I want to do a seminar on a certain date, and he'll look at the charts, and he'll just say, eh, energy's pretty off that...

02:02:54.000 Okay, but what does that mean?

02:02:55.000 The energy's pretty off and looking at the charts.

02:02:56.000 What does that mean?

02:02:57.000 What does that mean by he's looking at what charts?

02:02:58.000 Maybe he can kind of protect it.

02:02:59.000 I might be tired.

02:03:00.000 I don't know.

02:03:01.000 I haven't seen these charts, but I hear him clicking in the background on the computer.

02:03:05.000 That guy's on Facebook.

02:03:06.000 He's looking at pictures.

02:03:07.000 Ha ha! 0.86

02:03:08.000 He's going on U-Porn. 1.00

02:03:09.000 He's checking out girls' asses. 1.00

02:03:10.000 Just give him a call, man. 1.00

02:03:11.000 No fucking way. 0.99

02:03:12.000 It's free. 1.00

02:03:13.000 Yeah, I don't care.

02:03:14.000 Time is not.

02:03:15.000 Time is valuable.

02:03:16.000 I don't think there's a guy in the world that can look at a chart and tell you where the energy of the world is.

02:03:22.000 I think there is, man.

02:03:23.000 Really?

02:03:23.000 I've experienced it.

02:03:24.000 So you think that this guy can look at a chart.

02:03:26.000 I do know you.

02:03:27.000 Yeah, that's why I'm questioning this. 0.86

02:03:30.000 You're a little wacky guy who lives out of a suitcase.

02:03:32.000 Yeah, maybe that's enough to...

02:03:35.000 I think you're a beautiful, brilliant man.

02:03:37.000 But if I was your friend, and I am your friend, but if I was there while this was going down, I would be asking this guy a fuckload of questions.

02:03:45.000 I do find he's a really good guy to talk to about stuff, too.

02:03:49.000 He's almost like a psychologist or a psychiatrist in a way.

02:03:54.000 In ancient times, the scientists were philosophers.

02:03:57.000 And all the great – even Alexander the Great and all the great Roman emperors, they would have their own private philosophers to advise them on things.

02:04:08.000 Marcus Aurelius, for example.

02:04:09.000 And they would listen to these philosophers.

02:04:11.000 I kind of look at this guy almost as a philosopher.

02:04:14.000 As an advisor.

02:04:15.000 An advisor.

02:04:16.000 I can buy that.

02:04:17.000 I haven't always taken – I have gone against the guy.

02:04:21.000 In what way?

02:04:22.000 I just didn't listen to what he said.

02:04:24.000 What did he say?

02:04:25.000 He gave my advice, don't do the seminar this weekend.

02:04:27.000 Why would he tell you not to do a seminar? 1.00

02:04:29.000 See, this is bullshit. 0.99

02:04:31.000 It would be a better day to do it on this day. 1.00

02:04:33.000 Oh, fuck. 1.00

02:04:34.000 Why? 1.00

02:04:35.000 Because of voodoo? 0.95

02:04:36.000 Because you threw some chicken bones in the ground and one of the sticks was pointing south?

02:04:40.000 I have done it and it would be not such a good one.

02:04:44.000 Maybe it's because he told you that it was going to be a bad one and you had it in your head and then you went and did it.

02:04:49.000 Maybe.

02:04:49.000 Has he ever told you not to do something you didn't and it worked out awesome?

02:04:53.000 No.

02:04:53.000 That's what made me think.

02:04:55.000 Well, it's because you're thinking about it.

02:04:57.000 I mean, this is what we talked about with negative thoughts.

02:05:00.000 Maybe.

02:05:01.000 More likely than a fucking chart that can tell you the energy of the universe doesn't want you to fly to Miami. 0.99

02:05:08.000 That's crazy. 0.98

02:05:09.000 There's some pretty brilliant guys out there that know stuff that we don't, man.

02:05:14.000 Um, yes.

02:05:16.000 There's definitely some brilliant guys out there that know stuff that we know.

02:05:19.000 But this one guy that's got a computer that can tap into the collective energy of the universe and tell you where the energy is and what...

02:05:27.000 You should definitely not go to Ohio.

02:05:28.000 I've looked at your charts. 1.00

02:05:29.000 Fuck you! 1.00

02:05:30.000 That's what I'd say to that guy. 1.00

02:05:31.000 Fuck you! 1.00

02:05:32.000 Fuck you, crazy man! 1.00

02:05:34.000 Haven't you ever gone and done a set in your show and it just kind of bombed, you know, it just didn't work out that well? 1.00

02:05:40.000 If anything ever went wrong, there are a bunch of reasons why it went wrong.

02:05:44.000 And I could look at all of them.

02:05:46.000 I could say, maybe I was tired.

02:05:49.000 Maybe I was overworked.

02:05:50.000 Maybe I didn't prepare well enough.

02:05:52.000 Maybe I have new material that's not worked out.

02:05:54.000 But it's not because I shouldn't have gone to Ohio.

02:05:57.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:05:57.000 It's not because some guy shows me a chart and the collective energy of the universe is off.

02:06:01.000 But just maybe there are...

02:06:04.000 People, this guy in particular, that could potentially have seen that.

02:06:11.000 Seen what?

02:06:13.000 The set going back.

02:06:14.000 But wouldn't you want to have a method?

02:06:17.000 But hold on a second.

02:06:18.000 Stop, because this is very important.

02:06:19.000 Wouldn't you want to have a method that you would clearly understand how this guy's making these arbitrary decisions and choices? 1.00

02:06:26.000 Because you're talking about bullshit. 0.99

02:06:28.000 You're talking about voodoo. 1.00

02:06:30.000 And if it's not bullshit, then it's science. 0.98

02:06:34.000 So if it's science, it's repeatable, and you should bring it to people that are experts, and they should analyze it and study it. 0.99

02:06:39.000 But for this guy to just sit there and click on some things and tell you don't go to Ohio, That's bullshit. 0.85

02:06:44.000 Well, all I can say is it's worked for me so far. 0.98

02:06:48.000 The proof is in the pudding, as far as I'm concerned.

02:06:50.000 Okay, if your mind decides that something will work out well, and you have full confidence, and your plane doesn't get hit by a meteor, and everybody gets out alive, and at the end of the seminar, or the end of the trip that you took, you say, hey, that guy's advice really turned out well.

02:07:07.000 It really did.

02:07:07.000 What you've done, you basically give yourself a little mental shield to go into battle with.

02:07:12.000 Well, there we go.

02:07:13.000 Well, that's what it is, but it's not real.

02:07:15.000 Do you know what I'm saying?

02:07:15.000 Plus, I like this guy.

02:07:16.000 You can have that mental shield.

02:07:17.000 Well, isn't it, though?

02:07:18.000 It is real!

02:07:20.000 It is in the sense that it was effective because you had confidence in it and because you approached all these events like you had confidence in it.

02:07:28.000 But is it real in that there's a guy who actually can look at a computer and tell you whether or not you should go somewhere based on the energy of the universe?

02:07:36.000 No.

02:07:37.000 No, that's not real.

02:07:38.000 It's definitely not real.

02:07:40.000 I will tell you with 100% confidence it's not real.

02:07:42.000 Do you know how I know it's not real?

02:07:43.000 Because there are millions of brilliant people out there, millions of scientists, and you talk about quantum physicists and theorists and all these different people.

02:07:51.000 They would have heard of this.

02:07:53.000 If you're talking about a guy who's making a computer program, they would analyze this.

02:07:56.000 It would be something that people would be talking about.

02:07:58.000 If this guy really believes it, he wouldn't just be holding on to it in Maui.

02:08:02.000 He would be telling the world, listen, there is a way where you can accurately predict events.

02:08:06.000 There is a way, and it would be up to peer review.

02:08:09.000 People would be studying it.

02:08:10.000 They would be putting out papers on it.

02:08:12.000 It would be something we would understand.

02:08:14.000 We have figured out a code, whether it's like the Fibonacci sequence or something like that, a code to the universe.

02:08:19.000 And if you follow this code, you have predictable, repeatable events.

02:08:24.000 How do we know that there aren't a lot of people doing it?

02:08:27.000 This is a problem.

02:08:28.000 This phrasing that you're using.

02:08:29.000 How do we know?

02:08:30.000 It could be.

02:08:31.000 It could be.

02:08:32.000 That's not enough to base your life and any decisions. 0.97

02:08:36.000 And this woo-woo bullshit that comes along with tarot card reading, with palm reading, with all that stuff... 0.95

02:08:42.000 It's all the same. 0.92

02:08:43.000 And it's all one person telling you, first of all, he's telling you stuff you already knew about your life, okay? 0.61

02:08:49.000 This is the strategy of charlatans.

02:08:52.000 I mean, this is what tarot card readers do, and palm readers do, and fortune tellers do. 1.00

02:08:57.000 They tell you shit that you already know. 0.98

02:08:59.000 And they tell you it through leading questions. 1.00

02:09:01.000 And they tell you it through a bunch of signs that they can tell from being really good at reading people.

02:09:07.000 Then, they go on to tell you what's going to happen, or what you should and shouldn't do.

02:09:12.000 And in doing that, you can plant some thoughts and seeds of doubt into people's head.

02:09:18.000 This is the reason why people used to think that someone could put a hex on you. 0.99

02:09:21.000 Because if I put a hex on you, and you believe I put a hex on you, and you leave this room, and you're like, I am fucked! 0.99

02:09:27.000 Joe just put a hex on me! 0.99

02:09:28.000 And you run around in life, that will be overwhelming your thoughts!

02:09:32.000 And if you allow that to happen, it will be true.

02:09:35.000 You can manifest bad things by having bad energy and bad ideas.

02:09:40.000 This is exactly what you were talking about earlier, but this is done through like a strategy and a repeatable pattern.

02:09:49.000 Well, all I can say is...

02:09:51.000 Maybe it works.

02:09:52.000 Maybe it works, John.

02:09:53.000 Come on, man.

02:09:54.000 This is crazy talk.

02:09:56.000 Nah, not as crazy as you think.

02:09:57.000 It's definitely crazy.

02:09:59.000 Okay.

02:10:00.000 I'm certified crazy.

02:10:01.000 Well, it's just, if there's a method to it, like if this guy says, oh, here's the reason why.

02:10:06.000 The reason why is, you know, there's like the golden sequence of the universe, and you can tap that golden sequence into a computer, and it's based upon all these different factors. 0.96

02:10:18.000 If that guy has information like that, and he's just holding on to it in Maui, or wherever the fuck he is.

02:10:24.000 No, he travels like I do. 0.98

02:10:25.000 Yeah.

02:10:25.000 He's kind of a no-man.

02:10:27.000 By the way, someone who went to Stanford and who's a professor, it doesn't exclude them from being out of their fucking mind. 0.98

02:10:32.000 Dr. Oz is on TV and he's telling people about weight loss medication that's a miracle. 0.99

02:10:36.000 And that fucking guy had to go to Congress about it. 0.99

02:10:39.000 Guess what? 1.00

02:10:39.000 He's still on TV. The guy's on TV telling people about miracle weight loss fucking berries. 1.00

02:10:45.000 Crazy shit. 1.00

02:10:46.000 It's bullshit. 1.00

02:10:46.000 He's a charlatan, right? 1.00

02:10:48.000 There's tons and tons and tons of guys out there selling this kind of stuff.

02:10:52.000 As you know, I'm pretty much an anti-supplement guy.

02:10:54.000 I just...

02:10:55.000 Well, you used to take a lot of them. 1.00

02:10:57.000 I took $320 worth of supplements a month and I didn't notice a damn thing when I stopped taking all that shit. 0.99

02:11:05.000 Not one thing. 0.99

02:11:06.000 In fact, I felt better.

02:11:07.000 I felt better.

02:11:08.000 That's interesting.

02:11:09.000 And, you know, once again, you know, a lot of this is placebo, you know?

02:11:13.000 There is some that's placebo effect, but there's also some that's been proven by science to have beneficial effects on a lot of different factors.

02:11:20.000 But, you know, you're a guy who's a healthy, active guy who's constantly eating correctly and you don't allow yourself...

02:11:27.000 I'm extremely strict with the diet, you know?

02:11:29.000 How do you do that on the road?

02:11:30.000 When you're in these different places, and say if you travel into countries and you might not even speak the language, how do you make sure that you get the right food?

02:11:38.000 Well, I try to always keep the quality as best I can.

02:11:42.000 But as you know, being a frequent traveler yourself, you can't always get the best quality stuff.

02:11:48.000 Talking about placebo effect, I won't let it get me bummed out.

02:11:52.000 I won't start thinking negative thoughts.

02:11:55.000 Let's say, for example, I have to eat...

02:11:59.000 Oh, I don't know, a bag of pretzels or something.

02:12:02.000 I believe I can sublimate any ill effect of that food, you know, just by being grateful, just by visualizing my body being able to respond well to the food.

02:12:12.000 It's just calories, you know.

02:12:13.000 I see myself digesting it and assimilating it, and I won't let it negatively affect me.

02:12:20.000 You just look at it as raw calories.

02:12:22.000 Yeah, it's just raw calories, you know.

02:12:23.000 So it's some starch.

02:12:24.000 It's not the best stuff in the world.

02:12:25.000 It's not like I'm going to be eating that as a habit.

02:12:28.000 Right.

02:12:28.000 And I'll be fine.

02:12:30.000 Because you can work yourself up into, like, a real negative thing.

02:12:35.000 I'm going to give you an example.

02:12:36.000 When I was younger, I had a friend that taught me a lot about higher mind science.

02:12:42.000 And we were in a restaurant one time together.

02:12:44.000 This is, I guess, maybe in the late 70s.

02:12:46.000 And there's a guy smoking.

02:12:47.000 This is when people could still smoke.

02:12:49.000 And this guy's blowing the smoke on me, and I'm getting madder by the minute.

02:12:53.000 It's really pissing me off.

02:12:54.000 So I asked the guy if he would please not blow the smoke over to me, and the guy started doing it even more. 0.99

02:13:01.000 And I wanted to punch the guy right in the face.

02:13:04.000 And I'm looking at my friend, Tim, and he's totally relaxed about the whole thing. 0.99

02:13:11.000 And I said, doesn't that bother you?

02:13:12.000 Doesn't that really aggravate you?

02:13:14.000 And he said, Steve, you're getting yourself all worked up.

02:13:16.000 He said, I can supplement the bad effects of the smoke by not letting it get to me.

02:13:21.000 He says, all those negative emotions and the anger and upset you're feeling are ten times worse than any amount of cigarette smoke blowing on you.

02:13:29.000 He says, you're actually doing harm by the way you're thinking about it as opposed to the actual harm the smoke's doing.

02:13:35.000 And wow, that blew me away.

02:13:37.000 And I'm seeing him so relaxed.

02:13:39.000 And I started thinking, well, that's probably everything in life.

02:13:43.000 So I started looking at food the same way.

02:13:46.000 If you eat something that maybe you know isn't the best quality because there's just no other thing available, well, so what?

02:13:54.000 You'll be fine.

02:13:55.000 You just go back to eating your really, really good quality stuff after that.

02:14:00.000 It's what you do most of the time is the key, not what happens upon occasion.

02:14:06.000 But I will say this, as a full-time traveler, I will pack my own food as much as I can.

02:14:11.000 I always carry a little grocery bag.

02:14:14.000 Yeah, I was following your Instagram and your girlfriend got their food confiscated at TSA. What did they confiscate?

02:14:21.000 A lot of times you can't take anything that looks a little liquidy through the security.

02:14:27.000 Sometimes they'll grab fruit, you know, like going from Maui back to the mainland, all the fruit and stuff, any fresh produce.

02:14:35.000 They'll take.

02:14:36.000 For example, I had a salad, right?

02:14:38.000 The lettuce was fine, but they wanted the tomatoes and the cucumbers.

02:14:43.000 That wouldn't pass.

02:14:44.000 What?

02:14:45.000 Yeah, the Department of Agriculture guy.

02:14:47.000 Speaking of Voodoo, right?

02:14:49.000 It was just the craziest thing.

02:14:50.000 Did you ask why?

02:14:52.000 I did, but he had no real firm...

02:14:54.000 They never have an explanation for any of this stuff.

02:14:56.000 It's just banned or...

02:14:58.000 Well, I don't know.

02:14:58.000 Well, certain flies, fruit flies and things along those lines.

02:15:01.000 Well, they're attracted to liquids.

02:15:03.000 Could be attracted to the stuff.

02:15:05.000 But, yeah, usually I don't have too much trouble getting stuff through.

02:15:08.000 And it's funny, some countries are so amazingly lax.

02:15:13.000 Like, where was it?

02:15:15.000 It's Australia.

02:15:15.000 You can take liquids through the security.

02:15:18.000 You can?

02:15:18.000 Yeah, you can take water and all sorts of stuff.

02:15:20.000 But you can't take a dog to Australia to see what happened with Johnny Depp.

02:15:23.000 Johnny Depp and his girlfriend.

02:15:24.000 He's still in trouble with that.

02:15:25.000 Did you see his video that he made?

02:15:27.000 I haven't seen it, but...

02:15:28.000 It's hilarious.

02:15:30.000 It must be really funny.

02:15:31.000 It's hilarious because he mocked serious talk through his video.

02:15:35.000 Like, you know, he's an actor.

02:15:36.000 Yeah, he's very funny.

02:15:37.000 So he made it look like he was being serious, but...

02:15:40.000 Did so in a way where it's pretty obvious to anyone watching that it wasn't serious?

02:15:44.000 It was so subtle that one of the politicians, one of the main people in Australia, actually had a comment on it.

02:15:51.000 You know, how it's pretty obvious that he wasn't taking it seriously.

02:15:55.000 He made this video.

02:15:56.000 It's really weird what will go through security and what won't.

02:16:01.000 Yeah.

02:16:01.000 For example, in China.

02:16:04.000 They were absolutely scrupulous.

02:16:06.000 I couldn't believe how good this girl was in that screen. 0.99

02:16:08.000 She got all my little secret shit. 0.99

02:16:10.000 I like, you know, because I do all carry-on now. 0.99

02:16:13.000 I don't check bags anymore.

02:16:15.000 I had a little key that's actually a knife.

02:16:18.000 It opened up into a little knife because you didn't need a blade, you know, to, you know, you always could use a blade no matter where you are to cut stuff or whatever.

02:16:27.000 You just always have a need for it.

02:16:29.000 She found that key. 0.66

02:16:30.000 I don't even know how the hell she knew that that was a knife.

02:16:33.000 I carry like little survival tools with me.

02:16:36.000 I have like a little flint steel fire starter sometimes.

02:16:38.000 Are you starting fire somewhere? 1.00

02:16:40.000 The fucking zombie apocalypse, dude. 1.00

02:16:43.000 Does that ever come up? 1.00

02:16:44.000 Does your astrologer tell you that you need to carry that around?

02:16:47.000 No, but I watch The Walking Dead.

02:16:49.000 I fear The Walking Dead.

02:16:51.000 Speaking of creating a mental...

02:16:55.000 But I also have one of those little drinking straws.

02:16:58.000 You mean a filter?

02:17:00.000 Yeah.

02:17:01.000 You can actually drink 250...

02:17:02.000 Pond water.

02:17:03.000 Yeah.

02:17:03.000 Well, when I saw that...

02:17:05.000 Remember the tsunami at Hippali, that resort?

02:17:07.000 I'm in places like that.

02:17:09.000 Right.

02:17:09.000 And I just figure, better safe than sorry.

02:17:12.000 Yeah, that makes sense.

02:17:13.000 I do believe that my astrologer will keep me safe from these things.

02:17:19.000 But let's just say we would have a situation where the water would be really shitty.

02:17:23.000 I've been in places like Novosibirsk, Russia.

02:17:27.000 Dude, that's in the middle of absolute nowhere.

02:17:31.000 You know, if there would be any kind of natural disaster or something, at least I know I can drink, right?

02:17:36.000 Right.

02:17:37.000 And, you know, I have like a little thing I can make fire.

02:17:39.000 I mean, you never know.

02:17:41.000 Plane go down and I'm surviving in the Andes or something.

02:17:44.000 Have you ever made a fire with one of those things?

02:17:45.000 Yeah, I have actually.

02:17:46.000 Really?

02:17:47.000 Yeah, I just wanted to see if I could do it.

02:17:48.000 Do you bring kindling with you as well?

02:17:49.000 Well, yeah, you get, you know, there's like a whole little art to doing fire from...

02:17:55.000 It's fun to try those, they call them earth skills or, you know, ancient skills.

02:18:01.000 Well, a lot of people bring like steel wool or something like that.

02:18:04.000 Steel wool with batteries works really good.

02:18:05.000 I also have a little magnifying glass thing I travel with.

02:18:08.000 I always have a compass.

02:18:09.000 You bring a compass?

02:18:11.000 Well, you know, it's old school.

02:18:12.000 I learned how to use a map and compass when I was a kid.

02:18:14.000 As a Boy Scout, you do orienteering.

02:18:16.000 Right.

02:18:17.000 So I knew how to do the knots, you know, my little thing.

02:18:20.000 So when you're going to these places, like say you get an offer to go to some strange place in Siberia, are you reluctant to take...

02:18:28.000 Any of these?

02:18:29.000 Or just like anybody who wants to do a seminar, I'm open for the journey?

02:18:32.000 I'm pretty much open for the journey.

02:18:33.000 I like to go to different places, you know? 0.90

02:18:35.000 But in China this last time, my God, they were taking my freaking nail clippers. 0.57

02:18:38.000 They want nail clippers. 1.00

02:18:40.000 They found that little key.

02:18:41.000 They took my little fire starter. 1.00

02:18:42.000 How she even knew what that shit was, I have no clue. 1.00

02:18:46.000 They must be well-trained. 1.00

02:18:47.000 Because she nailed me for... 1.00

02:18:49.000 Everything, man.

02:18:51.000 Wow.

02:18:51.000 Do you get in trouble when they nail you for that stuff in China?

02:18:53.000 Nah, they just take it because none of it could be considered a weapon.

02:18:57.000 However, I was arrested in Switzerland one time.

02:19:00.000 I had been traveling by train.

02:19:02.000 I had one of those Gerber, or was it Cold Steel?

02:19:07.000 It was like a knife that was spring-assisted.

02:19:10.000 Rock climbers use it.

02:19:11.000 Because, you know, if you're rock climbing and your harness gets tangled, you may have to hold on to cut yourself free from your harness, right?

02:19:20.000 So you need a knife you can easily open up with one hand.

02:19:22.000 So I just liked it.

02:19:24.000 It was a great little knife. 0.99

02:19:25.000 And I had been traveling by train and had it in my little man purse carry-on thing and forgot about the damn thing. 0.99

02:19:33.000 Ooh. 1.00

02:19:34.000 So it went through and they pulled me aside and they pulled that knife out of there and I was like, oh shit. 0.98

02:19:42.000 And they said in Switzerland, an assisted opening knife is considered a weapon. 0.97

02:19:48.000 And the police took me back.

02:19:50.000 I sat there.

02:19:51.000 I almost missed my plan. 0.97

02:19:53.000 They obviously were going on Interpol and doing all this bullshit to find out who I was and what I'm doing with this knife. 0.98

02:20:02.000 Wow. 0.97

02:20:02.000 To add insult to injury, I also had a little credit card thing. 0.97

02:20:06.000 It also had a little teeny blade in it.

02:20:09.000 It was like one of those multi-tools in the shape of a credit card.

02:20:13.000 So they found two blades in my freaking carry-on.

02:20:16.000 I could've got away with the credit card, because they wouldn't have even looked at that. 1.00

02:20:19.000 But once they found one thing, they tore my shit apart, man. 0.98

02:20:22.000 They looked at everything. 0.99

02:20:24.000 Oh my god.

02:20:25.000 But it's weird.

02:20:26.000 You know, like, Australia, China, you don't even have to take off your shoes.

02:20:30.000 In most places, you don't have to take off your shoes.

02:20:32.000 In the U.S., you still do.

02:20:34.000 Fingernail clippers, all that stuff goes through.

02:20:37.000 Even small knives, they don't even bat an eyelash.

02:20:40.000 Multi-tool you can take through TSA. But they're looking for stuff like liquid and any kind of shoes.

02:20:47.000 Electronics a lot of times.

02:20:48.000 I saw them this past time making people prove that their computers could turn on.

02:20:54.000 I saw a number of that.

02:20:56.000 Because that one dude tried to slip a bomb through...

02:20:59.000 In a laptop, yeah.

02:21:00.000 And recently, have you traveled lately?

02:21:03.000 Mm-hmm.

02:21:04.000 Did you find the security lines were like crazy?

02:21:06.000 Internationally, I mean, or locally?

02:21:08.000 No, just even within the U.S.? Seems normal.

02:21:10.000 It's always sucky. 0.99

02:21:11.000 And Maui was ridiculous and LAX was absolutely awful. 0.98

02:21:15.000 That lady got through security and actually boarded a plane with no credentials or boarding pass. 1.00

02:21:22.000 When did this happen?

02:21:23.000 It was just, I read like Bing news.

02:21:26.000 I usually read the, I don't like to read the actual news because it's always talk about negative mindset.

02:21:31.000 I just look at the headlines just to see like, just give me a clue like what's going on.

02:21:36.000 What should I be scared of?

02:21:37.000 What new virus? 0.99

02:21:38.000 Well, yeah, I never read that shit, but I do like to read travel stuff just to see what the latest and greatest is. 0.99

02:21:45.000 Anyway, it hit international news. 0.99

02:21:48.000 Yeah, there we go.

02:21:50.000 She actually got the whole way through, and the word came down, because TSA was already under fire, basically just for being incompetent.

02:22:00.000 Anyway, this woman got through, and now all of a sudden, this will be going on for the next month or two.

02:22:05.000 They're just...

02:22:07.000 Oh my god, the travel is so delayed.

02:22:09.000 That's interesting, because I've been traveling a lot.

02:22:11.000 It seems totally normal. 0.98

02:22:12.000 It always sucks. 0.93

02:22:13.000 Well, I usually go pre. 0.87

02:22:17.000 This last time I took the budget, Spirit Airlines.

02:22:19.000 They don't have any contract with TSA, so everybody goes through the long ass security lines.

02:22:27.000 But one of the best things I ever did, I did global entry. 0.94

02:22:30.000 And I can just walk through like a freaking rock star when I come into JFK. Yeah, global entry is nice.

02:22:36.000 Oh my god, it's so nice.

02:22:37.000 But along with it, you get the pre.

02:22:38.000 And I usually fly business or first class these days, especially for the really long flights.

02:22:43.000 Man, that pre is so nice.

02:22:45.000 No shoes off.

02:22:47.000 You don't have to take off your jacket.

02:22:50.000 Yeah, it's interesting how that's changed.

02:22:53.000 It's interesting how that's changed over the course of our lives.

02:22:56.000 You didn't even have to have an ID to get on a plane.

02:22:59.000 I don't remember that.

02:23:00.000 You used to just hand them the ticket, and you could give a ticket to a friend.

02:23:03.000 That friend could go on the plane instead of you.

02:23:05.000 Yeah, that's right.

02:23:06.000 That was the old days.

02:23:07.000 The old days, man.

02:23:07.000 You could just drive through Canada, no problem, come back.

02:23:10.000 I mean, it was none of that kind of stuff.

02:23:12.000 So this astrologer told you to move to Maui.

02:23:15.000 Are you going to follow his advice?

02:23:16.000 Are you going to go there?

02:23:17.000 Yeah, I'm setting up a little home base to work out.

02:23:22.000 I'll still travel somewhat and do some seminars, but I'm going to set up a shop in Maui.

02:23:27.000 Yeah, because I was thinking, for a guy like you, a lot of people would come to you.

02:23:32.000 Like, it might not be a bad idea to just...

02:23:34.000 Well, Maui would be a damn nice place to attract, right?

02:23:36.000 Yeah, and not only that, but you could set up seminars on a weekly basis and do them literally from the comfort of your own home.

02:23:44.000 You could just have a program where you run people out of Malibu and make a great living, or Maui, rather, and go back and forth if you so choose.

02:23:54.000 You could kind of go anywhere.

02:23:55.000 If you did do that and you could establish your own gymnasium and have a real gym there, Would you start changing your own training?

02:24:03.000 Because I know a lot of what you're doing now is mostly body weight.

02:24:06.000 Yeah, I'd probably go back to some of the things that I really, really enjoy, you know?

02:24:09.000 Like what?

02:24:10.000 I like the clubs.

02:24:11.000 I like club swinging.

02:24:12.000 I like swinging the light clubs, you know, just as a mobility thing.

02:24:16.000 It makes my elbows and shoulders and wrists feel good.

02:24:18.000 You know, talking about the little one-pound Indian clubs? 1.00

02:24:21.000 The wooden ones?

02:24:23.000 Yeah, I used to be quite the expert.

02:24:24.000 You know, I actually learned that as a physical education major in college.

02:24:28.000 Really?

02:24:28.000 As a freshman.

02:24:29.000 As all PE majors had to learn the basic old-school physical culture systems, and one of those was the old wooden club system.

02:24:37.000 Back in the day, huh?

02:24:38.000 Yeah, that was 1970 when I went through the School of Health and Physical Education at Westchester.

02:24:44.000 That's interesting that now 40-plus years later, those sort of training modalities are coming back.

02:24:49.000 So old is new, right?

02:24:50.000 Yeah.

02:24:51.000 Well, kettlebells is a perfect example of that, right?

02:24:53.000 Yeah, perfect example.

02:24:55.000 That was an old school training tool.

02:24:57.000 And they came from Germany, by the way, not Russia.

02:25:00.000 Really?

02:25:00.000 Yeah, the Germans were the ones that actually established.

02:25:03.000 They called them ring weights in those days.

02:25:04.000 No kidding.

02:25:05.000 A lot of the old German strong men used them.

02:25:08.000 And it looked the same, like a cannonball with a handle?

02:25:10.000 Kind of.

02:25:11.000 There was a lot of really weird designs.

02:25:13.000 Some of them really, like, circle just on a cannonball, you know?

02:25:17.000 Uh-huh.

02:25:18.000 They used to use real heavy ones in their act.

02:25:20.000 A lot of them were hollow, and you would unscrew it, and they would put weight inside and screw it back on.

02:25:27.000 Hmm.

02:25:27.000 That was kind of interesting.

02:25:28.000 Oh, so you could adjust it.

02:25:29.000 Yeah, like adjustable weights and so forth.

02:25:31.000 If you had your own gym and you could do whatever you want and lift weights, how would you set it up?

02:25:39.000 Would you do standard Olympic-style weightlifting type exercises?

02:25:43.000 Nah, I've never been a real fan of Olympic weightlifting.

02:25:45.000 I don't believe that it's the most efficient way to train athletes.

02:25:48.000 There's an awful lot of NCAA strength coaches.

02:25:55.000 NFL strength coaches are shying more and more away from the Olympic lifts.

02:25:58.000 They're finding their athletes are just getting too busted up and hurt.

02:26:01.000 Even just doing a front squat, why would I risk a million dollar athlete to teach them?

02:26:08.000 Olympic lifting is a hell of a...

02:26:10.000 I mean, it takes a lot of coordination to do Olympic lifts.

02:26:14.000 And as you well know, one sport doesn't make you better at another sport.

02:26:18.000 It really doesn't.

02:26:19.000 It just causes motor learning confusion.

02:26:21.000 There's no doubt that Olympic weightlifters are incredible specimens.

02:26:25.000 They're strong, they're fast, they're explosive, but it doesn't follow that doing Olympic lifting will make you stronger and more explosive than fast.

02:26:33.000 It's like self-selective.

02:26:35.000 The guys that already have those attributes do well at Olympic weightlifting.

02:26:40.000 So if I take a slow twitch wanderer and give him Olympic lifting, I can't selectively recruit those fast twitch muscle flavors and make him a fast twitch guy.

02:26:48.000 I'm probably just going to get him hurt.

02:26:50.000 If I was a wrestling coach or an MMA coach or a football coach, I want to be spending most of my athletes' time out practicing the skills of the sport.

02:26:59.000 That's the most important thing, the skill of the sport.

02:27:02.000 And most of your sports-specific conditioning comes from the practice of the sport itself.

02:27:08.000 Aside from that, I want a general strength training program to make his skeletal muscles as strong as humanly possible.

02:27:15.000 So I'm going to use modalities to do that.

02:27:18.000 And the idea is to keep it as safe as possible.

02:27:24.000 And I see Olympic lifting is pretty doggone dangerous.

02:27:27.000 I've seen a lot of guys bust themselves up, hurting themselves, you know, trying to do it.

02:27:31.000 So I'm not a big fan.

02:27:32.000 So you're saying motor learning confusion?

02:27:35.000 Is that what the term you used?

02:27:37.000 Yeah, like sometimes people think that a power clean is like the snap, finish off a double-A pickup throw or something.

02:27:43.000 But it's a completely different skill set.

02:27:46.000 One isn't going to make you better at doing the other.

02:27:49.000 Do you think, though, that strengthening your muscles and having more explosion and more the ability to close the distance quicker from box jumps and sprints and things along those lines can directly translate to things like martial arts?

02:28:02.000 I don't think so.

02:28:03.000 It's very specific.

02:28:04.000 Yeah, doing a box jump is a whole lot different than shooting a double leg throw.

02:28:08.000 Way different.

02:28:09.000 The best way to get guys really explosive at doing that is just do those things over and over and over again and get really good at it.

02:28:15.000 That's very controversial, isn't it?

02:28:17.000 Oh, yeah.

02:28:17.000 There's many guys that talk like me.

02:28:21.000 There's just as many guys that would argue to the death the other way.

02:28:25.000 Right.

02:28:25.000 But I've done both.

02:28:26.000 You know, as a young boy, I learned Olympic weightlifting from the last Olympic world champion, Robert Banarski.

02:28:34.000 My dad used to take me down to York, Pennsylvania, when the United States was still the mecca for Olympic lifting.

02:28:40.000 And I actually learned Olympic lifting down there at the old York gym.

02:28:44.000 Wow.

02:28:45.000 Yeah.

02:28:45.000 And I used to lift in my basement.

02:28:47.000 But what I found, even when I was just in high school as a wrestler, That it wasn't really helping that much and even then I just sensed like a real danger to my body.

02:28:58.000 And wrestling is a tough sport as it is.

02:29:02.000 Your training should prevent injuries.

02:29:05.000 If a person needs to foam roll and do massages and is hurting themselves in their supplementary training, there's something wrong.

02:29:14.000 If it's really a good training modality, it should prevent injuries, not cause.

02:29:20.000 So I'm a firm believer in getting rid of all of the dangerous stuff out of your training.

02:29:28.000 Because, you know, what we do, you know, martial arts is dangerous enough as it is.

02:29:33.000 That's really controversial, though.

02:29:34.000 I mean, there's a lot of high-level strength and conditioning coaches that think that strength training and power training and things along those lines actually improve all of your skills.

02:29:44.000 Your skills as a martial artist.

02:29:46.000 I've been strength training for 53 years.

02:29:49.000 I didn't find that myself.

02:29:50.000 Right, but based on your own body and your own life.

02:29:53.000 Yeah, but also with clients.

02:29:54.000 Remember, I've trained literally hundreds and hundreds, if not thousands, of people over the years.

02:29:58.000 I didn't find a good correlation.

02:30:00.000 It's just interesting because in...

02:30:03.000 Was it men's journal?

02:30:05.000 There was just an article by a guy who is like one of the leading experts in speed training.

02:30:12.000 And he found that the thing that correlates most to your ability to run fast, like in a sprint, was the trap bar deadlift.

02:30:21.000 He tried leg presses, cleans, front squats, all this stuff.

02:30:26.000 The thing that had the greatest transfer into improving your ability to sprint was the trap bar deadlift.

02:30:34.000 Why is that?

02:30:35.000 Just the way it positions the hips and the way that the weight is centered.

02:30:40.000 Instead of out in front of you, where there's a lot of spinal shearing, your hands are at your side, so it's like you're almost inside the weight.

02:30:48.000 Yes.

02:30:48.000 And the way you hinge out in that trap bar deadlift, I'm a big fan of that type of deadlift.

02:30:53.000 That's the only way I do them now.

02:30:55.000 They always felt just intuitively like such a damn good exercise.

02:30:59.000 Well, anyway, it was just in this month's issue. 0.86

02:31:02.000 I think it was Men's Journal.

02:31:04.000 My only feeling on trap bar deadlifts is I always felt like I didn't get deep enough because the 45-pound plates were so large.

02:31:12.000 Well, he was saying that it's not necessary to get that much range of motion for sprinting.

02:31:17.000 You know, because your legs aren't really bent that much.

02:31:19.000 Anyway, but there's a lot of strength and speed coaches, like really well-known guys.

02:31:24.000 They're now going against power cleans, front squats and all that.

02:31:27.000 Joe DeFranco is a really famous strength coach.

02:31:30.000 He won't risk the injury to his athletes anymore.

02:31:34.000 He's finding guys who are messing up their elbows, their wrists, their fingers.

02:31:38.000 I mean, if you have a guy that's like, you know, top-level NCAA, you know, wide receiver or something, you do not want to use risky modalities and risk hurting this guy.

02:31:49.000 Because what they do as an athlete is risky enough, you know?

02:31:53.000 Out there...

02:31:54.000 The way they run and sprint and cut and so forth, the kind of collisions that they have.

02:31:59.000 You want to make that training as safe as possible.

02:32:02.000 You want to make it as general as possible so they get as much strength transfer.

02:32:08.000 It doesn't have to be fancy exercises.

02:32:10.000 Basically squat, hinge, push-pull horizontal and vertical, some type of rotation or anti-rotation, and then work the ancillary muscles of the neck, the fingers, the hands, the forearms, the grip, and obviously The feet, calves, and ankles are really neglected in a lot of people's training.

02:32:26.000 Weak feet, weak ankles, and weak calves.

02:32:29.000 A lot of guys leave that out.

02:32:30.000 And of course, the neck.

02:32:32.000 Man, you know how many guys I know that don't train their neck?

02:32:35.000 It's crazy, man.

02:32:37.000 Even your jaw.

02:32:39.000 I can remember watching Muhammad Ali.

02:32:42.000 The old videos, they do these little snippets of his training.

02:32:45.000 He used to do a lot of jaw training.

02:32:46.000 He had this really cool thing where he would take a sling and hook it onto a pull-down, and then he would open his jaw against the resistance.

02:32:55.000 I thought, that is freaking brilliant, dude.

02:32:58.000 To strengthen the muscle of the jaw, because it's a well-known fact that if your jaw is stronger, there's a lot less chance of knockout.

02:33:05.000 Yeah, a lot of guys used to chew beef jerky just to strengthen their jaw.

02:33:10.000 They used to chew bubblegum all the time because you know your jaw gets tired when you have bubblegum and the bubblegum gets old and you just keep chewing on it and they would do that to keep their jaw strong.

02:33:19.000 You know, it's funny. 0.95

02:33:21.000 Remember when we brought up Alexander's ass with the teeth lifting with that beam? 0.95

02:33:26.000 I used to actually have a mouthpiece and do teeth lifting when I was a kid. 0.98

02:33:29.000 Really?

02:33:30.000 Yeah.

02:33:30.000 It was very popular back in the 60s, you know, teeth lifting for your neck and your jaws.

02:33:35.000 I used to lift my little sister up.

02:33:37.000 She used to lay down and I'd put this little sling and I'd do the neck work with my kid sister. 1.00

02:33:42.000 What are you feeling on those neck harnesses with the chains?

02:33:45.000 Fantastic.

02:33:46.000 You like those?

02:33:46.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:33:47.000 That's controversial, too, because my trainer hates them.

02:33:50.000 You have to be careful.

02:33:51.000 And some of them are really crappy design, man.

02:33:53.000 They hurt your ears.

02:33:55.000 I already have qualifiers.

02:33:56.000 I don't need to make it any worse.

02:33:58.000 But they can be good.

02:34:00.000 I think one of the best things ever invented was the old Nautilus four-way neck machine. 0.90

02:34:04.000 That was a damn good piece of equipment.

02:34:06.000 And later, the Hammer Strength four-way neck. 0.97

02:34:08.000 See, those things, it's like Kelly Starrett.

02:34:10.000 I talked to him about those things, those neck machines.

02:34:12.000 He's like, those are terrible for you. 1.00

02:34:14.000 Nah, that's bullshit, man. 1.00

02:34:15.000 Really? 1.00

02:34:15.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:34:17.000 I know who to believe.

02:34:18.000 Well, you've got to try it yourself.

02:34:20.000 I tell people to experiment.

02:34:21.000 But you know what works really well that I don't think would be too controversial for anyone?

02:34:26.000 Neck isometrics.

02:34:27.000 Yeah, you showed me those with a belt.

02:34:29.000 Man, they are fantastic.

02:34:31.000 You know, Hickson used to do a lot of neck isometrics.

02:34:33.000 He used to use that rubber band.

02:34:34.000 And run up hills.

02:34:35.000 Well, he would walk back.

02:34:37.000 And just hold it.

02:34:38.000 It's almost like someone trying to pull you down into a front headlock or a front guillotine.

02:34:43.000 And then you go with it on your forehead and on your side and you develop tremendous stability.

02:34:49.000 I don't think...

02:34:50.000 The other stuff...

02:34:52.000 I can see where it can be controversial because it all comes back to your technique, your form. 1.00

02:34:56.000 You know, if you're an idiot and you're using a lot of momentum and you're using poor technique, I can see where you can really mess your neck up. 0.99

02:35:05.000 But isometrics, they're pretty safe. 0.99

02:35:08.000 Okay, but excluding isometrics, those neck machines, like moving your neck with those neck machines, where do you think the problems lie?

02:35:15.000 Do you think the problems lie in people using momentum too much?

02:35:18.000 Too much weight, too much momentum, and not using good form.

02:35:21.000 I mean, okay, we know that you can get really strong and really fit using shitty technique and form.

02:35:27.000 Right.

02:35:27.000 You see it all over the gym.

02:35:29.000 You see huge guys, really muscular dudes, just throwing the crap out of the weights.

02:35:34.000 That doesn't necessarily mean it's the best way to go.

02:35:36.000 Right.

02:35:37.000 Many of those guys don't stand the test of time.

02:35:39.000 Remember earlier I was saying, you know, anyone under 60, if they haven't passed over, of course that's pretty convenient for me now. 1.00

02:35:46.000 Right.

02:35:48.000 Saw you smiling there.

02:35:50.000 But no, seriously, if you haven't been to the other side, there's a lot of stuff that I did in my early days.

02:35:55.000 No way that I would advocate that stuff now, man.

02:35:58.000 Right.

02:35:59.000 But I was always a firm believer in working the neck, and I used neck harnesses successfully using really good strict form, not necessarily heavy weight.

02:36:08.000 If you put yourself in a biomechanically inefficient position, you can really work those muscles really hard and very, very safe.

02:36:16.000 Now when you talk about neck, those neck harnesses, and you lift your neck up and you can lie on a bench and put a plate on your head and lift your head up, what about side-to-side movements?

02:36:28.000 You can also join the side.

02:36:29.000 And you're cool with those?

02:36:30.000 Yeah.

02:36:31.000 Another one, well, remember, too, in violent contact sports, someone's going to put your neck in some pretty weird positions, whether you want them to or not.

02:36:39.000 So you've got to kind of endure yourself to, you know, those basic positions.

02:36:45.000 And what kind of repetitions are you talking about when you're doing neck exercises?

02:36:48.000 Pretty high reps.

02:36:49.000 I always like, well, it depends on the speed of movement, too, you know?

02:36:52.000 I mean, like, I like a slow, high-tension speed of movement to really fatigue the muscles.

02:36:57.000 Mm-hmm.

02:36:57.000 So it just depends how fast you're actually moving.

02:36:59.000 So just a real slow...

02:37:00.000 Usually I go by time under load, so somewhere between a minute to 90 seconds time under load is good.

02:37:06.000 For the entire set?

02:37:07.000 Yeah, for the set.

02:37:08.000 Like a 90 second set.

02:37:10.000 One of the things I've gotten into over the last year or so is long negatives.

02:37:14.000 I like long neggos.

02:37:16.000 Exploding on the initial movement, the power of the out movement, like say if I do a chin up, exploding up, and then a very slow, maybe like four times as long, maybe even more than that on the way down.

02:37:28.000 Negative emphasized training.

02:37:29.000 Yeah.

02:37:30.000 It can be very, very good.

02:37:31.000 It's been used for a while.

02:37:33.000 One of the big proponents of that type of training was the famous Mike Mentzer, the only guy ever to beat Arnold Schwarzenegger.

02:37:38.000 We're talking about bodybuilding now.

02:37:40.000 And it's really interesting because Mike used to use these very intense brief exercises.

02:37:45.000 The year he beat Arnold in the Mr. Universe show, Mike was only training about 90 minutes a week.

02:37:53.000 And Arnold was training about 26 hours a week.

02:37:57.000 How is that possible?

02:37:58.000 Because of the high-intensity training.

02:38:00.000 90 minutes a week?

02:38:01.000 Yeah, he was very much into high-intensity training, like 30-minute workouts.

02:38:05.000 His disciple, Dorian Yates...

02:38:06.000 But that's three 30-minute workouts a week.

02:38:08.000 Yeah, that's right.

02:38:09.000 Go check him out.

02:38:10.000 He has a whole website called Heavy Duty.

02:38:12.000 He was a real pioneer in the high tension.

02:38:16.000 He used a lot of negatives.

02:38:19.000 He was doing a lot of experimentation with isometrics towards the end.

02:38:22.000 That's crazy, though, that he could do just 90 minutes a week.

02:38:25.000 And, of course, they're all using steroids, obviously.

02:38:30.000 Helps.

02:38:30.000 But people can't say it was just the steroids, because Arnold was using steroids, too.

02:38:36.000 We were talking about Pavel before the podcast, Pavel Tatsulin, and he is a proponent of low reps, doing things like under five reps, five reps or under.

02:38:51.000 Well, remember, his sport is his strength.

02:38:55.000 That's what he does.

02:38:56.000 He's not a fighter.

02:38:57.000 He's not a martial artist.

02:38:58.000 He's not an athlete.

02:38:59.000 His sport is weightlifting.

02:39:02.000 If your goal is to lift as much weight as you can, his system works extremely well.

02:39:07.000 Because that is the sport.

02:39:09.000 If you're an athlete and you want to use strength training to better you in your sport, the majority of your time should be spent doing your sport.

02:39:19.000 So the amount of weight isn't the most important thing necessarily because an athlete is not a strength specialist.

02:39:28.000 So once you can deadlift or press a certain amount of weight, it's pretty much going to get diminishing returns.

02:39:35.000 I mean, how strong do you need to be, you know, in a weight class sport?

02:39:39.000 I mean, if you're able to do a double bodyweight deadlift, how much stronger do you need to be?

02:39:43.000 In order to get stronger, you're going to have to specialize.

02:39:46.000 But that's going to take me away from the skills of my sport.

02:39:50.000 And also, a lot of the low repetition stuff, you know, that comes from the field of weightlifting.

02:39:57.000 There's no doubt it's a strong dude.

02:39:59.000 But it's not necessary for me to do that low of repetition when I'm just training for general strength.

02:40:04.000 Well, his philosophy or his claims are very interesting because what his claims are was that people doing these low rep exercises like five reps or under, they experience benefits in all of their sports.

02:40:19.000 And that power and strength translated to gymnastics and sports.

02:40:25.000 All strength training is going to translate into sports to an extent.

02:40:29.000 Olympic lifting works, power lifting works, low reps work, high reps work.

02:40:34.000 I know many guys that did nothing but super high repetitions, you know?

02:40:38.000 Been plenty of guys like that.

02:40:40.000 It all works, one way or another.

02:40:43.000 What you want though is to get as efficient as possible and you don't want to be beat up for days after your workout, obviously.

02:40:50.000 That was one of the reasons why he liked the low rep stuff, you know, because it doesn't seem to beat you up quite as much.

02:40:56.000 But I found that doing short, brief, intense workouts, usually even single sets, translated just as well as anything.

02:41:03.000 I'll give an example.

02:41:06.000 You've heard of the 1973 Miami Dolphins?

02:41:09.000 No.

02:41:10.000 They were under Don Shula.

02:41:12.000 They were the only team ever to go undefeated and win the Super Bowl.

02:41:16.000 No other team's done it before or since.

02:41:19.000 Ever.

02:41:19.000 In the history of the NFL. They use cocaine?

02:41:22.000 Well, who knows?

02:41:23.000 They're in Miami.

02:41:24.000 But, you know how they train?

02:41:25.000 They train a Nautilus machines with single set training.

02:41:30.000 What?

02:41:30.000 Yeah!

02:41:31.000 There we go.

02:41:32.000 So, it all works.

02:41:34.000 It all works.

02:41:35.000 You can get in great shape no matter what you do.

02:41:38.000 It's just what works best.

02:41:40.000 What works best.

02:41:41.000 I personally believe for a lifetime, and believe me, I have a lifetime of injuries, if you're getting hurt in your strength training, you're doing something wrong.

02:41:49.000 Strength training should prevent injuries, not cause it.

02:41:52.000 So there's something wrong with your technique and your form.

02:41:56.000 Me being a wrestler and a jiu-jitsu guy, I can't afford to hurt myself.

02:42:01.000 And of course, at my age now, you get hurt.

02:42:03.000 Oh my god, it takes forever to get back.

02:42:05.000 We know that fast, explosive training works, but we also know there's a much higher chance of injury.

02:42:13.000 So for me, I like slow, high-tension reps, really controlled, and like you discovered, that slow negative.

02:42:21.000 Yeah, slow negatives seem to be having a really positive benefit on my training lately.

02:42:25.000 And I found that doing my exercises fast and explosive did not make me faster on the mat.

02:42:32.000 I had to selectively pick the movements I wanted to be fast and explosive on and do those fast.

02:42:39.000 And drill those. 0.98

02:42:39.000 And drill the crap out of them until I was like a freaking machine. 0.98

02:42:43.000 One of the things that I've gotten into also over the last few months is grip strength. 0.95

02:42:48.000 You know those captains of crush?

02:42:50.000 I have a 167 pound one that I keep in my car. 1.00

02:42:53.000 I just smash that fucker. 0.99

02:42:55.000 I do it for three reps and then I throw it down. 1.00

02:42:57.000 Well, thanks for taking it easy on my hand when we shook hands this morning, man.

02:43:01.000 Well, I started with a 120-pound one, and then I got a 167-pound one that I use now, but I have a 200-and-something-pound one that I'm saving for when I get tired of the 167-pound one.

02:43:12.000 But it's like there's a rabbit hole with that, because I'm into squeezing things now.

02:43:19.000 It's really weird.

02:43:20.000 Just make sure it's not people's hands with you.

02:43:22.000 Well, I just have gotten excited about the idea of strengthening my hands because my strength handing has all been accidental for my hands.

02:43:30.000 It's all been attached to deadlifts and kettlebells and chin-ups and all the different stuff, and that's how my hands got strong.

02:43:37.000 But I've never just actively trained my grip.

02:43:40.000 So in doing this, I've been doing it, I'll say like four or five months now, just been smashing these things all the time.

02:43:46.000 Well, you know, there's different types of grip strength.

02:43:49.000 You know, there's that crushing strength, which the captains of crush would give you.

02:43:52.000 But there's also like endurance strength, which is really good for grappling.

02:43:56.000 Well, just hanging off a high bar, you know, either one hand or two.

02:44:00.000 Well, that's one of the things we found on Fear Factor that was interesting.

02:44:02.000 We did this thing where we had people hang all over water on a bar, just hanging by their body weight.

02:44:08.000 And the women all beat the men. 0.92

02:44:10.000 We had these really strong men, really like big yoked up guys, but they were too heavy.

02:44:16.000 Strength to weight ratio. 0.99

02:44:17.000 And they probably just did curls like a bunch of bitches. 1.00

02:44:19.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:44:20.000 Well, the grip is really, a lot of it, people just don't pay enough attention to it.

02:44:26.000 Yeah.

02:44:27.000 One reason why rope climbing has stood the test of time as a grappling modality is it's a very specific vertical type grip, like you grab a hand or a neck or a wrist or forearm or even an ankle.

02:44:38.000 Really good for grapplers.

02:44:39.000 And man, it takes tremendous grip to climb a rope.

02:44:42.000 There's a lot of stress on your joints, too.

02:44:44.000 Well, there can be.

02:44:45.000 You have to know how to climb.

02:44:47.000 But it has been an exercise that's been around forever.

02:44:50.000 Yeah, I've got a big fat rope in my garage.

02:44:52.000 You know, you've seen the gym that I have set up in my garage.

02:44:54.000 I've got this rope that, like, I can't even get my hand all the way around it.

02:44:57.000 It's like one of those ropes that would tether off an ocean liner.

02:45:00.000 That's what they're for.

02:45:01.000 Yeah.

02:45:02.000 Yeah, I mean, that's where they get them.

02:45:03.000 But I'll tell you, just hanging on that or squeezing it, you know, just not even climbing, just hanging until your hand gets out is a tremendous grip exercise.

02:45:11.000 Oh, for sure.

02:45:11.000 But, yeah, for jiu-jitsu and wrestling, I've found that captains of crush don't translate as well as doing things like towel, chin-ups, you know, obviously.

02:45:20.000 Yeah.

02:45:21.000 Climbing a rope.

02:45:23.000 A lot of guys throw a gi over a chin-up bar and just pull themselves up with the gi.

02:45:27.000 It's a fantastic sports-specific grip strength.

02:45:30.000 Also, just hanging for time, like we talked about for shoulder health.

02:45:34.000 Awesome grip exercise.

02:45:36.000 And there's a very interesting correlation between biological age and chronological age.

02:45:42.000 Old people have really weak hands. 1.00

02:45:45.000 Well, then I'm like 20 because I'll smash it. 0.98

02:45:49.000 There you go, man.

02:45:51.000 I have a friend who does these scapula exercises.

02:45:55.000 He's an archer, and he hangs the way you're talking about, and then when he gets to the hanging position, he just lifts himself up like this.

02:46:05.000 That's a fantastic exercise.

02:46:06.000 And holds it.

02:46:06.000 He's like pinching his shoulder blades together, just pulling his body up slightly with his arms completely locked out.

02:46:14.000 Those upper back muscles are so neglected, and it's good for posture, too.

02:46:18.000 Yeah.

02:46:18.000 I'll tell you, I like to superset that with a set of regular pull-ups sometimes.

02:46:22.000 Woo! 0.99

02:46:23.000 Do you feel that upper back?

02:46:24.000 Because, you know, usually when you do pull-ups, your arms...

02:46:27.000 Get tired first.

02:46:28.000 Right.

02:46:29.000 But by pre-exhausting the lats and the rhomboids and all those back muscles, when you do your pull-ups, whew, man, you really feel your back.

02:46:40.000 So you do pull-ups, like do all your sets?

02:46:45.000 Well, not all the time, but I would do the scapular retractions first, jump down, shake out my grip a little bit, and then jump up and do the pull-ups.

02:46:52.000 Wow, what a great little back workout.

02:46:55.000 Oh, so you do the scapula exercises first?

02:46:58.000 First, to pre-exhaust those muscles because they're bigger and stronger than your little teeny grip forearm hands.

02:47:03.000 So usually what comes out first in pull-ups is the hands, the forearms, sometimes your biceps.

02:47:08.000 So by pre-fatiguing those upper back muscles first, they get much better workout when you add in the arms.

02:47:16.000 Ah, that makes sense.

02:47:18.000 You temporarily fatigue those.

02:47:20.000 So when you do these sets of, if you do like those scapular contractions, what would you call those?

02:47:26.000 I always call them scapular retractions.

02:47:29.000 Retractions?

02:47:29.000 Yeah, retractions.

02:47:30.000 How long would you hold that position for?

02:47:32.000 I usually like two seconds up, two seconds down.

02:47:35.000 Oh, short.

02:47:35.000 Yeah, it's a short little movement.

02:47:37.000 He does it for 15 seconds.

02:47:39.000 You could.

02:47:40.000 I've actually done static contraction where I just pulled myself up and held it so I couldn't hold it.

02:47:45.000 You know, like 30 to 40 seconds, you know?

02:47:48.000 Yeah.

02:47:48.000 It just depends.

02:47:49.000 That was another thing that Pavel was talking about with planks.

02:47:51.000 He was talking about like doing a plank but contracting every muscle in your body and holding that position.

02:47:57.000 It's an isometric.

02:47:59.000 It's called an overcoming isometric. 0.78

02:48:02.000 There's two types of isometrics.

02:48:03.000 One is, I'm sorry, a yielding isometric. 0.99

02:48:07.000 One is where you have a measurable weight.

02:48:09.000 It could be your body weight.

02:48:10.000 Let's say you hold a chin up at the top with your chin over the bar.

02:48:13.000 It's a classic exercise called the flexed arm hang.

02:48:15.000 Okay, you have a measurable weight there, right?

02:48:18.000 The other version of that would be you just grab something and just pull as hard as you can.

02:48:23.000 No way to measure it.

02:48:24.000 Both ways will get you as strong as can be, as strong as a beast.

02:48:29.000 So that plank that you're talking about, it's like a yielding isometric in that you have a measurable weight, which is your body weight.

02:48:36.000 And rather than just hang out to see how long you can survive, what happens is you start to let the back collapse a little bit.

02:48:43.000 You start to relax certain areas of your body.

02:48:46.000 And now it's just not nearly as effective.

02:48:50.000 But if you're really trying to shorten the abdominals and really squeezing and creating this tension, you create a tremendous amount of muscle fatigue.

02:48:57.000 And that should be the true purpose of exercise, to create that overload, that muscle fatigue.

02:49:02.000 And allowing your muscles to recover from that and establish a new base of strength.

02:49:07.000 I have a friend, and a lot of Jiu Jitsu guys are getting into this now, where they're doing super slow sets.

02:49:13.000 I love super slow sets.

02:49:14.000 I was one of the original super slow trainers back in the day.

02:49:18.000 I still do them.

02:49:19.000 And as the man ages, and you have all the dings in your shoulders and elbows and stuff, you'll find that you'll be drawn more and more to nice, slow, high-tension sets.

02:49:27.000 Really?

02:49:28.000 Very safe way to train.

02:49:30.000 How many seconds up and down do you suggest, like say for something like a chin-up?

02:49:34.000 Well, Mike Mentzer, you know, for bodybuilding, hypertrophy, he found like 4-2-4, where you would like four seconds up, pause in the contracted position and four seconds down.

02:49:44.000 The contracted position, the push-up, the hard part would be the bottom part. 0.54

02:49:48.000 So you would hold just off the floor.

02:49:50.000 On a chin-up, it would be the top part.

02:49:52.000 So for a push-up, say, you would slowly go up for like one, two, three, four.

02:49:59.000 Then turn around.

02:50:00.000 No, you would then turn around.

02:50:02.000 Would you hold low or just slowly?

02:50:02.000 Then I would go back down and hold at the bottom.

02:50:05.000 Okay, one, two, three, four.

02:50:07.000 And then how long would you hold at the very bottom?

02:50:09.000 Hold 1,000, 1,002.

02:50:11.000 Just two seconds and then back up one.

02:50:12.000 And that's surprisingly difficult to do for someone who thinks of a push-up as being a pretty mild exercise.

02:50:18.000 Dude, you can just sandblast yourself with just about five or six reps if you do it right.

02:50:23.000 Yeah.

02:50:23.000 I've even done them slower.

02:50:25.000 I've gone like, you know, 10-10, 15-15.

02:50:29.000 Try doing, try this, if you like negative accentuated.

02:50:33.000 Sometimes you're in a hotel room and you want to get a quick pump for your comedy act.

02:50:36.000 Start at the top.

02:50:37.000 You don't get pumped for a comedy act.

02:50:38.000 You've got to stretch out.

02:50:40.000 You're a dude.

02:50:42.000 You got the rep.

02:50:44.000 But probably the fittest comic out there.

02:50:48.000 Don't you find that comics in general are pretty bad at lifestyle?

02:50:51.000 A lot of alcoholics.

02:50:51.000 Yeah, smoking.

02:50:53.000 Yeah, a lot of smoking.

02:50:54.000 It's the nature of the business.

02:50:55.000 It's nightclub life.

02:50:56.000 It's very unhealthy.

02:50:58.000 It's also there's this false correlation that you have to be an abuser of your body to be funny.

02:51:03.000 Really?

02:51:04.000 Yeah.

02:51:04.000 Well, that vanity and taking care of your body are connected, and that vanity is ego, and then having a big ego and being vain.

02:51:14.000 It's anti-comedy.

02:51:15.000 But I don't think it's vanity to take care of your body.

02:51:19.000 I just think it's intelligence.

02:51:20.000 I think it's foolishness to not take care of your body.

02:51:22.000 I just know too many people whose bodies are literally falling apart, and who are my age, or younger, who have massive issues.

02:51:31.000 I've seen it myself, man.

02:51:32.000 It's really scary.

02:51:33.000 Yeah, and they realize with time the error of their way, and it's usually too late.

02:51:38.000 If you start a rigorous physical fitness program when you're 45, like, boy, you've got a kind of an uphill battle there.

02:51:45.000 You've got an uphill battle.

02:51:46.000 It's not impossible.

02:51:47.000 Well, you know Anthony Bourdain.

02:51:48.000 You know what's going on with him.

02:51:49.000 Yeah, he's a jiu-jitsu guy now.

02:51:50.000 He's got a blue belt.

02:51:52.000 He started at 58. A lifetime of drinking and smoking and even a problem with heroin in his youth.

02:51:58.000 Getting himself cleaned up.

02:51:59.000 I heard his wife's into it, too.

02:52:01.000 Oh, she's way beyond into it.

02:52:03.000 She's actually pretty good, man.

02:52:03.000 She's very good.

02:52:04.000 And she's obsessed. 1.00

02:52:05.000 And that's one of the reasons why he got into it in the first place, because his wife is a maniac. 1.00

02:52:09.000 And he didn't want to get choked out anymore. 0.98

02:52:11.000 Well, no.

02:52:11.000 I mean, she talked him into it because she loves it so much.

02:52:14.000 And then once she actually bribed him with narcotics. 1.00

02:52:18.000 Whoa! 0.71

02:52:18.000 That's how she got him in. 0.71

02:52:19.000 Okay.

02:52:19.000 Yeah, she told him she'd give him Vicodins.

02:52:21.000 And so she got him into it.

02:52:24.000 And then once he got into it, he's a very, and I say this in a good way, he's a very obsessive guy.

02:52:30.000 He gets obsessed with things.

02:52:31.000 That's why he's such a great chef and a great writer and he's great on his television show.

02:52:34.000 And he got obsessed with jujitsu.

02:52:36.000 He travels everywhere.

02:52:37.000 He brings his gi.

02:52:38.000 He trains every day.

02:52:39.000 He trains twice a day.

02:52:41.000 He'll do a private and then he'll do a class.

02:52:43.000 Every day.

02:52:44.000 He trained with Chris Crook, the guy I was telling you about in Maui, my web guy.

02:52:49.000 Yeah.

02:52:50.000 He trained with Anthony.

02:52:51.000 He said it was really fun.

02:52:52.000 That's awesome.

02:52:53.000 Oh, back to that push-up.

02:52:55.000 So, try starting at the top, right?

02:52:58.000 You very slowly use your iPhone, like a little timer on there or something.

02:53:02.000 I use one with a metronome, you know, so I can hear the ticks.

02:53:05.000 And I go on down in 30 seconds.

02:53:07.000 And when my chest just barely grazes the ground, I do a slow, what we call turnaround, where you change direction.

02:53:15.000 Very slowly come back up in 30 seconds.

02:53:18.000 I don't walk out of the top.

02:53:19.000 There's no resting at the top because the top is just too easy, right?

02:53:22.000 You can hold it forever.

02:53:23.000 Right.

02:53:24.000 So I keep my elbows just a little unbent and then 30 seconds back down.

02:53:28.000 Dude, you have the pump of your life.

02:53:30.000 90 seconds time under load.

02:53:32.000 It's like, wow, what an amazing workout. 0.78

02:53:35.000 One freaking rep. 0.59

02:53:37.000 Actually, one and a half reps. 0.94

02:53:38.000 Negative, positive, negative.

02:53:40.000 Just negative, positive, negative for 90 seconds.

02:53:42.000 So do you set it like a timer for 90 seconds?

02:53:44.000 Well, not for 90 seconds.

02:53:46.000 Just a running stopwatch.

02:53:48.000 I use like a little thing on my iPhone that goes tick, tick, tick.

02:53:52.000 What is it?

02:53:55.000 What is it?

02:53:55.000 I don't know.

02:53:56.000 It's just one of those many apps.

02:53:58.000 But I wanted one that had an audible tick.

02:54:00.000 So if I can't actually see the iPhone, at least I can listen to the seconds.

02:54:04.000 So it's real easy to fool yourself when you're going too fast.

02:54:07.000 Now, do you do the same sort of technique for squats or for any other exercises?

02:54:12.000 Yeah, man.

02:54:12.000 I have this one bodyweight squat where you face the wall, where you can't unload by leaning forward, you know, letting your torso lean forward.

02:54:20.000 Whew! 0.99

02:54:20.000 Man, what a killer. 0.99

02:54:21.000 You face the wall?

02:54:22.000 I face the wall.

02:54:23.000 Great for your posture, man.

02:54:25.000 Your toes against the wall.

02:54:26.000 So what are you doing?

02:54:27.000 Like, you're facing the wall, and how close are you to the wall?

02:54:30.000 My toes, nose, everything's touching, the knees.

02:54:32.000 My hands are out to the side.

02:54:34.000 I slowly lower down.

02:54:36.000 And you keep your face on the wall?

02:54:38.000 Your nose is just barely skimming.

02:54:39.000 And it's great for posture because your back is really arched.

02:54:42.000 So your back's working isometrically.

02:54:44.000 And I don't do the top third of the movement with a bodyweight squat because it's just too damn easy.

02:54:49.000 I would recover.

02:54:51.000 You're so mechanically efficient at the top that there's no work.

02:54:55.000 So you get to the top third and then you go back down again?

02:54:57.000 Back down.

02:54:58.000 Sometimes I use that 30-30-30 for that one.

02:55:00.000 It's absolutely killer.

02:55:01.000 When you're done, your legs are just crippled.

02:55:05.000 For a second or two.

02:55:06.000 I've been doing slow Hindu push-ups and I'm just amazed at how tired you can get. 1.00

02:55:11.000 It's amazing, isn't it?

02:55:12.000 Like a set of 20 slow Hindu push-ups and your heart is ready to explode. 0.98

02:55:16.000 It's amazing, isn't it?

02:55:17.000 You don't have to go fast to get a good cardio metabolic workout.

02:55:20.000 I'm a big fan of that Hindu push-up, too, just for the range of motion.

02:55:23.000 It's such a wide range of motion in that technique.

02:55:26.000 Really good spinal mobility.

02:55:28.000 Yeah.

02:55:29.000 I would say, arguably, that might be the only push-up a person would need just for fitness.

02:55:36.000 Yeah.

02:55:37.000 I mean, really, it's a hell of an exercise.

02:55:38.000 It's basically upward and downward dog of yoga combined with movement.

02:55:42.000 Yeah, and I do it with a 40-pound weight vest sometimes. 0.83

02:55:45.000 Dude, you're a beast.

02:55:46.000 Well, it's just such a great workout. 0.80

02:55:48.000 Try slowing it down even more.

02:55:49.000 Try doing 10 seconds down, 10 seconds up.

02:55:51.000 So you don't have to keep adding more weight to your vest.

02:55:54.000 Yeah.

02:55:55.000 Also, remember, time under load is really important.

02:55:58.000 I'll give you an example.

02:55:59.000 I went to the gym one time.

02:56:00.000 I saw this guy just jacking off pull-ups like crazy.

02:56:03.000 He was using a lot of momentum.

02:56:05.000 It was basically one second up, one second down.

02:56:07.000 The dude did 25, which is impressive.

02:56:10.000 But he was pretty much yanking up his joints.

02:56:13.000 So I had my client do a set of six, but he was doing 4-2-4 each one.

02:56:19.000 So the guy that did the 25, his time under load was only 50 seconds.

02:56:23.000 My guy did six, his time under load was a minute.

02:56:27.000 My guy actually did more mechanical work and was physically in some ways stronger, better strength to weight ratio.

02:56:33.000 What do you think about those CrossFit style chin-ups?

02:56:36.000 Absolutely insane.

02:56:38.000 I mean, well, we talked about this last time.

02:56:42.000 The Greg Glassman guy?

02:56:43.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:56:44.000 I mean, the guy's an obese cripple, man. 1.00

02:56:46.000 Well, he's got health issues. 0.95

02:56:49.000 I know that he kind of started it off.

02:56:50.000 He's younger than me, man. 1.00

02:56:51.000 It's like, what the fuck? 1.00

02:56:52.000 I could have had health issues. 0.99

02:56:56.000 The injuries that I've had, if anyone has the excuse for not training, I don't mean to toot my own horn, but man, I never missed a training due to an injury.

02:57:05.000 Man, if you hurt your shoulder, you got your other shoulder and your legs that you can work in your core, right?

02:57:11.000 I busted up my foot one time, so I was able to work.

02:57:15.000 You always work around it.

02:57:16.000 There's something to do.

02:57:17.000 Always something to do.

02:57:18.000 You know, not training just because you're injured. 0.99

02:57:21.000 I blew out L4 on my spine one time just doing the stupid abdominal rollouts from the feet. 0.98

02:57:27.000 What's an abdominal rollout? 0.98

02:57:28.000 Oh, I saw this Jackie Chan movie and I was really...

02:57:31.000 You know, you use those ab wheels, you know, those little wheels.

02:57:35.000 Yeah, I use those.

02:57:36.000 And from your toes, you roll the whole way out, the whole way back.

02:57:38.000 I was pretty good at that one time.

02:57:40.000 From your toes, you roll the whole way out and the whole way back.

02:57:43.000 Yeah.

02:57:44.000 Which I'm not exactly sure what you mean.

02:57:46.000 Can you...

02:57:46.000 Yeah.

02:57:47.000 Ab roller Jackie Chan.

02:57:49.000 This is pretty inspiring.

02:57:50.000 So you mean like you make like a scissors and then you go like that?

02:57:53.000 Yeah, like an inchworm.

02:57:55.000 Oh, okay.

02:57:55.000 And you blew your back out doing that?

02:57:57.000 Well, I left my back...

02:57:58.000 Look at this guy.

02:57:59.000 This guy's doing it.

02:58:00.000 Oh, here we go.

02:58:01.000 There we go.

02:58:02.000 I could do that.

02:58:03.000 I probably still could do it, but I'm just too afraid to do it.

02:58:06.000 Is that hard to do? 1.00

02:58:07.000 Fuck yeah! 1.00

02:58:09.000 It's unbelievable, man. 1.00

02:58:11.000 Well, no, don't try it because I don't want you to hurt your back.

02:58:13.000 But you've got to really, really brace your abdominals and keep your glutes tight because the shearing force on the lumbar is really high, as I found out.

02:58:23.000 I don't do those, but I do do a lot of ab wheel stuff.

02:58:26.000 But I just never do it like that.

02:58:27.000 You can do it off your knees.

02:58:28.000 Do you know what the same movement is?

02:58:30.000 Hanging leg raises.

02:58:32.000 Very safe.

02:58:33.000 Some people call it toes to bar.

02:58:34.000 Try doing it with no momentum.

02:58:36.000 Slow up, touch your tippy toes to the bar, pause for a second, slowly lower.

02:58:41.000 If you do three or four, wow, you're pretty strong core.

02:58:45.000 It's the same movement as that.

02:58:47.000 With legs straight?

02:58:48.000 Yeah, with your legs straight.

02:58:48.000 Almost like you're touching your toes?

02:58:51.000 Toes to the bar.

02:58:52.000 Not the ankles or shins.

02:58:53.000 That means the person's too tight in their hamstrings.

02:58:57.000 But yeah, I blew my back.

02:58:59.000 I had an L4 subluxation and spondiothesis.

02:59:03.000 And I was told I might need surgery.

02:59:06.000 I was in agony.

02:59:07.000 So you have a bulging disc?

02:59:08.000 Oh my god.

02:59:09.000 I had sciatica so bad, y'all, I couldn't even walk.

02:59:11.000 When you were here, did I have the reverse hypermachine in the back when you were here?

02:59:15.000 Yes, you did.

02:59:16.000 Yeah.

02:59:17.000 What do you think about those?

02:59:17.000 Have you used those at all?

02:59:18.000 I have, but the strength curve, I think I told you, is off.

02:59:22.000 Because right where your glutes and your lower back are in the weakest part of the curve, the resistance is at its highest.

02:59:29.000 Right.

02:59:30.000 I see what you're saying.

02:59:30.000 Yeah.

02:59:31.000 You know, you'd almost be better off putting ankle weights on and just doing reverse leg raises.

02:59:35.000 Man, I just love it, though, for decompression of the spine and strengthening the lower back area.

02:59:40.000 I mean, my whole back area is just so thick and strong from doing that exercise.

02:59:45.000 It gives me a lot of relief.

02:59:47.000 I'm a big fan of that machine.

02:59:48.000 Yeah.

02:59:49.000 I mean, I'm not against it, per se.

02:59:51.000 I think there's just as good, if not better, exercises that you can use.

02:59:54.000 Because, I mean, you know, in my case, I can't travel with a reverse hyper. 1.00

02:59:59.000 Yeah, you'd have a hard time checking that thing.

03:00:01.000 I'll tell you what I do enjoy is the...

03:00:04.000 45 degree back extension bench where you do back extension. 0.51

03:00:09.000 Fantastic exercise.

03:00:11.000 Is that called a Roman chair?

03:00:12.000 Is that what it's called?

03:00:13.000 Not quite a Roman chair, but it's kind of along those lines.

03:00:16.000 I'm not talking about the glute hand raises.

03:00:18.000 I'm actually talking about 45 degree back extension.

03:00:20.000 Right.

03:00:22.000 I was at Arthur Jones Ranch when he was doing his experiments with Med-X, which was a machine for back rehabilitation.

03:00:30.000 And the Med-X studies is doing it with this Dr. Wayne Pollack from the University of Florida Medical School.

03:00:35.000 And they found that people's backs are pretty undeveloped and pretty weak and can cause a lot of problems.

03:00:40.000 So they were trying to invent a machine To work that area. 0.90

03:00:44.000 But the freaking machines were like $50,000. 0.98

03:00:47.000 It was ridiculous. 0.98

03:00:48.000 You know, you're getting all these electrical feet out and all this stuff.

03:00:51.000 So I said to Arthur, I said, surely there must be a very simple exercise that you could do that would give you really, really good results.

03:00:58.000 Because he was basically poo-pooing most back exercises.

03:01:02.000 He's not really working the back.

03:01:03.000 Most of them worked the glutes and the hamstrings.

03:01:06.000 Like kettlebell swings or deadlifts.

03:01:08.000 More glute than hamstring.

03:01:09.000 So he said the back extension.

03:01:12.000 He says that would come as close.

03:01:14.000 And I started religiously practicing back extension.

03:01:17.000 And man, I'll tell you, that's one area of my back that was always strong right up until that point where I did those abdominal rollouts.

03:01:24.000 That was the first back injury I ever had.

03:01:26.000 How'd you get over that?

03:01:27.000 Well, I went to a Rolfer.

03:01:30.000 I had this woman that was actually a professor at the Rolfer Institute.

03:01:34.000 You know, they do circuits.

03:01:36.000 Really good hands-on Rolfer.

03:01:38.000 She was the one that I heard the word surgery come out of her mouth because she was pretty much anti-surgery. 1.00

03:01:44.000 That was the first time I ever heard someone say, Oh, Steve, you really did it this time.

03:01:48.000 I don't know whether I can help you, really.

03:01:50.000 You really messed your back up.

03:01:52.000 I'm going to try, but I can't guarantee anything.

03:01:55.000 So she would put me on their table like in a tense position where the table goes like this.

03:02:02.000 So it's bent for people who are not listening.

03:02:05.000 Literally taking your fingers and trying to rotate that vertebrae back into position.

03:02:09.000 And then I was going to this guy for pain.

03:02:12.000 I didn't want to take painkillers.

03:02:14.000 This Dr. Frank Gu in Philadelphia on Art Street.

03:02:18.000 He was shooting me with the needles.

03:02:21.000 Acupuncture?

03:02:22.000 Acupuncture for pain relief.

03:02:24.000 And I would walk in there in absolute agony.

03:02:26.000 And I would walk out probably 60 to 70 percent reduction in the pain.

03:02:31.000 And it would last for a day or two and then it would come back, of course.

03:02:33.000 But I was just doing it just to get out of pain.

03:02:36.000 Right.

03:02:37.000 And over the course of, let's see, how many sessions was it?

03:02:41.000 It was like eight sessions.

03:02:43.000 By the eighth session, all of a sudden, I woke up one day and the pain was completely gone.

03:02:48.000 So it was slowly relaxing and the disc was going back in.

03:02:51.000 Finally squirted back in there.

03:02:52.000 Stretching or anything like that?

03:02:54.000 I was sitting in a back chair.

03:02:56.000 I used to be the trainer for the owners of the Philadelphia Eagles, the Jeff and Christina, or they're divorced now, but Jeff still owns the Philadelphia Eagle team.

03:03:06.000 He used to have all these really cool nifty devices because he suffered a lot from back.

03:03:10.000 It was a chair that you sit on a sling, like this playground swings, with these two clamps that grab you underneath your armpits and clamp, right?

03:03:19.000 So you're clamped.

03:03:20.000 You can adjust it.

03:03:21.000 And then you slowly release the sling.

03:03:24.000 So you're just basically sitting with your back completely just hanging there from your armpits.

03:03:30.000 And I would sit there and watch TV for an hour or so with my back in this traction.

03:03:35.000 That really gave me a lot of relief.

03:03:37.000 Yeah, the spinal decompression is gigantic.

03:03:39.000 Yeah, the back chair.

03:03:40.000 It was a really expensive thing.

03:03:41.000 I just borrowed his for like a couple months.

03:03:44.000 Man, that thing really helped.

03:03:45.000 What do you think about those hang-ups?

03:03:48.000 Inversions on that?

03:03:49.000 Yeah.

03:03:49.000 You like those?

03:03:50.000 I do.

03:03:51.000 I didn't have the table or the room for it at the time, although I do like it.

03:03:54.000 I did have inversion boots that I used to hang off my pull-up on.

03:03:58.000 My problem was with the sciatic, I couldn't get into the position.

03:04:02.000 It was just too painful.

03:04:03.000 I was in too much pain.

03:04:05.000 You were so far gone.

03:04:06.000 I was so far gone.

03:04:07.000 Everything was killing me.

03:04:09.000 But once it went away, it was like it never happened.

03:04:12.000 Never happened.

03:04:13.000 But you know, despite that, I didn't stop training.

03:04:16.000 I was still doing super slow machine work, pull-downs and chest presses.

03:04:22.000 And interestingly enough, with that injury, riding the Schwinn Airdone, you know those air bikes with the handles?

03:04:28.000 That didn't hurt.

03:04:29.000 It actually felt good.

03:04:31.000 I would feel good for like 30-40 minutes after that workout with zero pain, and then it would slowly come back on me again.

03:04:38.000 Those airdyne machines seem to be like a really popular exercise for strength and conditioning for fighters.

03:04:44.000 A lot of wrestlers use them.

03:04:45.000 Because I'll tell you, man, the faster you go, the harder it is.

03:04:48.000 The air displacement.

03:04:49.000 The thing that's so cool about it is you're getting both upper and lower body together.

03:04:53.000 So it's not just lower body aerobics.

03:04:56.000 Your whole body's involved in strength endurance.

03:04:59.000 Do those bother you with your shoulder?

03:05:01.000 No, no.

03:05:01.000 Any kind of vertical movement.

03:05:03.000 I mean, horizontal movement.

03:05:04.000 It's the overhead press that...

03:05:06.000 But interestingly enough, I can still do Hindu push-ups. 0.94

03:05:09.000 That is interesting.

03:05:10.000 It's the angle.

03:05:11.000 You know, I can angle it.

03:05:13.000 And also, you know, corkscrewing the hands, gripping, activating the lats and all that kind of stuff can really keep you out of pain.

03:05:20.000 Steve, we just did three hours. 0.99

03:05:22.000 Holy shit. 1.00

03:05:23.000 Flew by. 0.99

03:05:24.000 Wow, man.

03:05:24.000 It's over.

03:05:26.000 I know you have this video though.

03:05:27.000 Tell people about this video, your isometric video.

03:05:29.000 Well, I just came out with my second isometric because I was so thrilled with the first one. 0.98

03:05:33.000 I started looking deeper into isometrics and I found these old school techniques that I've made an advanced isometric video.

03:05:42.000 So is it a full workout?

03:05:43.000 Yeah, what I did was, in the first one, I had either yielding or overcoming isometrics.

03:05:49.000 Here, for advanced guys that are really strong, like yourself, I combine yielding and overcoming isometrics in the same exercise.

03:05:58.000 Boy, I'll tell you, even an Olympic athlete could get a full workout in a hotel room with virtually no equipment.

03:06:06.000 Just your jiu-jitsu belt is all you'd really need.

03:06:09.000 Dude, you would know you had a workout.

03:06:12.000 Very safe, no chance of... 1.00

03:06:14.000 I mean, of course, some idiot could screw it up and get himself hurt, but the chance of hurting yourself with isometrics is virtually none. 0.99

03:06:21.000 Good way to also work around an injury. 0.99

03:06:23.000 You know, if you have a foot, ankle, knee, elbow, you can still do isometrics.

03:06:29.000 You could even potentially do isometrics if you're in bed.

03:06:33.000 You know, let's say you had an injury in a car accident where you could actually keep your muscles in shape laying in bed.

03:06:42.000 It's pretty cool stuff.

03:06:43.000 Where can people get it?

03:06:43.000 How do they get it?

03:06:44.000 The website is MaxwellSC.com.

03:06:48.000 S as in strength, C as in conditioning.

03:06:51.000 MaxwellSC.com.

03:06:53.000 And I think...

03:06:56.000 Yeah.

03:06:58.000 Oh yeah, there's a link to the page.

03:07:04.000 Let's see.

03:07:05.000 MaxwellSC Training.

03:07:06.000 Is that what you say?

03:07:07.000 MaxwellSC.com?

03:07:08.000 Yep.

03:07:09.000 MaxwellSC.com.

03:07:10.000 Okay.

03:07:10.000 It's a really good video.

03:07:12.000 I shot it in Maui Jiu Jitsu, and it's really, really one of the best ones I've ever done.

03:07:20.000 Alright, beautiful.

03:07:21.000 And people want to get a hold of you on Twitter.

03:07:23.000 Yeah, Twitter, Snapchat.

03:07:25.000 Steve Maxwell, SC. Yep, Steve Maxwell.

03:07:27.000 Snapchat, all that jazz.

03:07:28.000 Yeah, man.

03:07:29.000 Instagram.

03:07:29.000 Feed the media machine, baby.

03:07:31.000 The media machine.

03:07:32.000 You got it.

03:07:32.000 Thank you, brother.

03:07:33.000 I appreciate you being on, man.

03:07:34.000 Thanks for having me again.

03:07:35.000 Appreciate it.

03:07:35.000 Alright, friends.

03:07:36.000 We'll be back tomorrow.

03:07:37.000 See you soon.

03:07:37.000 Bye-bye.

The Joe Rogan Experience - April 25, 2016

Joe Rogan Experience #790 - Steve Maxwell

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