The Joe Rogan Experience - May 09, 2016


Joe Rogan Experience #796 - Josh Zepps

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Joe Rogan
Guests
Josh Zepps
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Jamie Donald Trump Danny Glover Hands Hillary Clinton Felix Salmon Dick Cheney Gucci Mane Wolfowitz Josh Zeps John Ashcroft Martin Riggs Jesus Christ Bush Barry Sanders Justin Bieber Mel Gibson Alex Jones Artie Lang Wim Hof and 65 more
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This week, the lads are joined by comedian Joe Rogan to talk about what it's like to be a freelance writer, the differences between being an Aussie and an Australian, and whether or not we should be allowed to have accents. Also, we talk about Mel Gibson and whether he's a crazy person or not, and why he should or shouldn't get a tattoo of a woman's face on his chest. We also talk about the best and worst things we've ever heard about celebrities, and the weirdest things we would like to see people do to them. We hope you enjoy this episode, and that it makes you feel a little better about yourself, because we know we do too. We hope that you enjoy the episode and that you can relate to it in some way. We'd love to hear your thoughts on it, and we'd like to know what you think of it in the comments section below! Cheers, Josh and Joe! - The lads Music: "Feat. &roids" by Josh Zapski - "A Good Omens" by Fountains of Wayne (feat. John Doe) Art: "Sonic the Hedgehog" by Jeffree Star - "Goodbye Outer Space" by Ian Dorsch ( ) Logo: "The Good Life" by Kevin McLeod - "Outer Space Junk" by Pizzi ( ) "Good Morning" by John Rocha ( ) is outtrope ( ) and "The Bad Boys" ( ) are out on the road ( ). (Music: "Outro: "I'm Notorious" by The Goodfellas ( ) by Sully ( ) ( ) ( ) & "Fucking Goodbye" by Chris ( ) - "I'll See You Soon" by James ( ) // "I've Got A Good Life ( ) . ( is out on The Good Life by & "I Can't Keep Up With You ( ) on and "I Love You ( " by ) ( ) in the Bad Boys ( ) , . , ( ), "This Week's Theme Song: "Good Day ( ) ? on , "By: Thank You ( ), " & Is My Name Is Good ( & ( ) or ) by ( //

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00:00:00.000 Ah, Josh Zapps, we're live.
00:00:02.000 Hello, mate.
00:00:02.000 What's up, brother?
00:00:03.000 How you doing?
00:00:04.000 I'm good.
00:00:05.000 I've been all over the place.
00:00:06.000 You have been all over the place.
00:00:07.000 I've been wandering.
00:00:07.000 I'm not even on HuffPost Live anymore.
00:00:09.000 I know, you're wandering.
00:00:10.000 I'm a wanderer.
00:00:11.000 You're we the people now.
00:00:12.000 I'm all we the people, all the way.
00:00:13.000 I like calling myself unemployed.
00:00:15.000 I think it's just more, I think there's more, it takes more cojones to just say that you're unemployed than to be like, well, I've got a lot of projects going on.
00:00:21.000 Like, I've got a lot of fingers and a lot of pies, and I'm like, I'm freelance now.
00:00:24.000 But aren't you self-employed?
00:00:26.000 Yeah.
00:00:26.000 So that's not unemployed.
00:00:27.000 No, but I like fucking with people. 1.00
00:00:29.000 Oh, you make them feel sad for you. 1.00
00:00:31.000 Yeah, and make them feel... 0.77
00:00:31.000 Because people want you to immediately say that you're doing okay, and unemployed makes you sound like a bum. 0.77
00:00:38.000 So I like starting from the lowest possible position.
00:00:40.000 You should tell people that you're going to get a trailer, and you're going to travel across the country, get one of those things you drag behind your car, and you're just going to live out of it.
00:00:48.000 Yeah.
00:00:49.000 Go to national parks.
00:00:50.000 The more weeks I don't have a full-time job, the stronger my accent's going to get until I'm just down in a little ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.
00:00:56.000 Here's me and my trailer.
00:00:58.000 I haven't had a job in 15 years.
00:00:59.000 You can't go from Australian accent to American Southern.
00:01:04.000 I just did it.
00:01:04.000 I just did it.
00:01:05.000 We don't allow that.
00:01:06.000 Many people say that things are impossible, Joe Rogan, but I'm here to prove them wrong.
00:01:09.000 Isn't it interesting how, like, if you move to a place, you're not allowed to adopt the accent?
00:01:14.000 Like, if an American moves to England, like, remember when Madonna, she was only there for, like, six months?
00:01:18.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:01:18.000 She started talking like this, and everybody's like, bitch. 0.99
00:01:21.000 Get the fuck out of here. 1.00
00:01:22.000 Like, we know that people talk like that. 1.00
00:01:25.000 And we know it's a style of...
00:01:26.000 It's an affectation.
00:01:27.000 You decide to talk like that.
00:01:28.000 You don't have to talk like that.
00:01:30.000 You could... 0.99
00:01:30.000 Obviously, when you watch British actors play Americans and do such a brilliant job of talking in an American accent, like the Walking Dead people, when people find out that Rick is a fucking... 0.99
00:01:41.000 He's from England. 0.98
00:01:42.000 They're all from England. 1.00
00:01:43.000 The girl, Maggie, she's from England. 1.00
00:01:45.000 Everybody's from fucking England. 1.00
00:01:46.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:01:46.000 And I mean, a lot of people don't know that Aussies are Aussies as well, if they're doing all of the American accents. 0.99
00:01:51.000 Yeah.
00:01:51.000 I mean, how often does Russell Crowe not have an American accent in a movie?
00:01:54.000 True.
00:01:54.000 And what's his face?
00:01:55.000 Fucking Batman. 1.00
00:01:57.000 Christian Bale? 1.00
00:01:57.000 He's Australian too. 1.00
00:01:58.000 No, he's English. 1.00
00:01:59.000 Ah, same shit. 1.00
00:02:02.000 Don't get me started on the differences between New Zealanders and Australians as well. 1.00
00:02:05.000 There's this whole thing about who...
00:02:07.000 It's the same spot, right?
00:02:09.000 Kinda.
00:02:10.000 Kinda.
00:02:11.000 It's about as different as Canada and America.
00:02:12.000 Not really.
00:02:13.000 Barely.
00:02:14.000 Barely different.
00:02:15.000 Close enough.
00:02:15.000 There's a lot of dispute between the two countries about which one has to cop Mel Gibson.
00:02:19.000 Because Mel was, I think, born in...
00:02:22.000 Was he born in New Zealand or something? 0.97
00:02:23.000 There's some bullshit about whether he's American, Australian or New Zealand. 0.99
00:02:26.000 You can have him. 0.99
00:02:26.000 As long as he's not Australian. 0.99
00:02:28.000 Everybody loved him for a while.
00:02:29.000 He was so good.
00:02:30.000 He was awesome.
00:02:31.000 Just couldn't keep it together.
00:02:33.000 No. 1.00
00:02:34.000 Well, being a wildly anti-Semitic, racist, religious nutjob doesn't help. 1.00
00:02:39.000 Do you think he's a crazy person, though? 0.99
00:02:40.000 I don't know whether that means anything when you're that famous.
00:02:44.000 Of course it does.
00:02:45.000 It always means something.
00:02:46.000 I mean, being that famous doesn't discount certain biological realities of brain function.
00:02:52.000 I think people have bad livers, their livers go bad, people get lung cancer, people without a doubt develop brain diseases.
00:02:59.000 Right.
00:03:00.000 Whether or not it's a psychological disease, meaning it's a disease of thought processes and taking you down bad roads.
00:03:06.000 Those bad thought processes become ingrained and you continue them over and over again out of habit.
00:03:14.000 He's obviously an alcoholic, right?
00:03:16.000 So that's a real issue.
00:03:18.000 He's had massive problems with alcohol.
00:03:20.000 Take lung cancer, for example.
00:03:21.000 Obviously, the things that you do to your body are going to have a large impact on whether or not you're likely to get lung cancer.
00:03:27.000 Sure.
00:03:27.000 And similarly, I think that living in the rarefied atmosphere of being incredibly outrageously famous probably puts grooves in your mental pathways that predispose you to being odd.
00:03:37.000 Good point.
00:03:38.000 Yeah, definitely.
00:03:39.000 And as you get older, when things start to fall apart, you know, physically and psychologically and maritally and, you know, when he was with that crazy lady.
00:03:47.000 I mean, what that is is like the ultimate three-quarters—it's not midlife, it's three-quarters life— Like, dilemma.
00:03:54.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:03:55.000 And how many people do you surround yourself with when you're at that level of superstardom who are willing to call bullshit on your bullshit, right? 0.99
00:04:01.000 Like, I think a healthy famous person, we all know them, are people who are able to keep their heads screwed on because they still surround themselves with a posse who are like, ah, get out of here. 0.98
00:04:09.000 What are you doing with this?
00:04:10.000 You've got a Latin mass still doing the pre-Reformation Catholic liturgies up on a hill in the Hollywood Hills and you're talking about how Jews caused all the wars in the world. 0.72
00:04:21.000 What are you doing?
00:04:22.000 Yeah.
00:04:22.000 This is why people like buddy cop movies, because in a buddy cop movie, Danny Glover would straighten him back out.
00:04:28.000 He'd be like, come on, man, get it together. 0.84
00:04:30.000 And then he would pull it together and he'd stop being crazy. 1.00
00:04:33.000 But when he's by himself in a fucking mountain in Malibu, screaming at the help, yelling at his Russian girlfriend, suck my dick! 1.00
00:04:40.000 What's the name of his character in Lethal Weapon? 1.00
00:04:42.000 Martin?
00:04:42.000 Do we know what Mel Gibson's at?
00:04:44.000 Martin Riggs.
00:04:45.000 Yeah.
00:04:45.000 Yeah, Martin Riggs.
00:04:46.000 So Mel Gibson needs...
00:04:49.000 A Danny Glover.
00:04:50.000 Yeah.
00:04:50.000 The way that Martin Riggs did.
00:04:52.000 Well, he needs Danny Glover.
00:04:53.000 The actual Danny Glover.
00:04:54.000 Because if you pay attention to Danny Glover's Twitter feed and his social media feed, it's all about helping people out and charities and spirituality and consideration for the earth.
00:05:06.000 And Danny Glover's got a really interesting life.
00:05:08.000 Oh, cool.
00:05:08.000 I'll follow him.
00:05:09.000 I didn't know that.
00:05:09.000 He's a very open-minded and intelligent guy from the few things that I've paid attention to.
00:05:14.000 I think Danny Glover's like paying attention to the world.
00:05:17.000 I love it.
00:05:17.000 They should be together for real.
00:05:18.000 Yeah.
00:05:19.000 I love it when people who you admire, whose craft you admire, grow into being something more than that and, like, sort of spiritually enlightened.
00:05:26.000 It was like when Gary Shandling died.
00:05:28.000 You know, he had become someone who was super interested in really interesting things.
00:05:33.000 I mean, he was...
00:05:33.000 Hattie?
00:05:34.000 Yeah, apparently.
00:05:35.000 I didn't know much about him.
00:05:36.000 I didn't either until I was following him on Twitter.
00:05:39.000 And the day that he died, I went to his Twitter page to see...
00:05:43.000 What his last tweets were, and saw that he was following me for some strange reason, which made me feel like all the more kind of close to him, and started going back through all of his old tweets. 0.56
00:05:52.000 And he was just interested in spirituality, meditation, all the kinds of shit that you and I are interested in.
00:05:59.000 I didn't know him. 0.94
00:06:00.000 I met him very briefly, like, hi, nice to meet you, at the Comedy and Magic Club.
00:06:05.000 Never really got a chance to talk to him.
00:06:07.000 But God, what a funny guy.
00:06:09.000 Hilarious.
00:06:09.000 That Larry Sanders show was amazing.
00:06:10.000 I mean, I mean, two of the most groundbreaking sitcoms.
00:06:13.000 Like, all of those sitcoms that now, like Modern Family and everything, all have the same...
00:06:17.000 Like, this is a pseudo-documentary, and these people are for some reason talking to the camera.
00:06:21.000 It doesn't really make any sense anymore.
00:06:22.000 Like, why is this documentary being made about these Modern Family people?
00:06:26.000 How long is this documentary?
00:06:27.000 Why are they always...
00:06:28.000 Like, it's been on for nine years or something.
00:06:30.000 Where's the documentary crew?
00:06:31.000 Why are they talking to the camera?
00:06:33.000 The whole conceit has broken down, but all of those shows owe their genesis to Gary Shandling, to the fact that he did the Larry Sanders show.
00:06:39.000 Larry Sanders' show and it's Gary Shandley's show.
00:06:42.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:06:42.000 He had some great stuff.
00:06:44.000 Really great stuff. 0.99
00:06:44.000 So what's this shit about Facebook? 0.99
00:06:46.000 I just walked in here and you told me that there are these pieces about how Facebook workers are admitting that they routinely suppressed conservative news from the Facebook news feed. 0.99
00:06:55.000 Yeah, I actually got it from Stephen Crowder.
00:06:57.000 He sent it to me and then I looked it up and then I saw it was on Gizmodo and I was like, wow, this is crazy.
00:07:02.000 Like, this enforcement of...
00:07:06.000 Liberal ideas.
00:07:08.000 Former Facebook worker says, we routinely suppress conservative news.
00:07:12.000 So they would keep conservative news from trending, and they would inject stories that weren't trending.
00:07:22.000 They would inject them into the trending stories if they matched their ideologies.
00:07:28.000 I mean, this is so dangerous and upsetting for...
00:07:30.000 Even if you are a complete, like, liberal fascist, and you don't believe in freedom of speech or freedom of ideas...
00:07:36.000 But, Jamie had a really interesting point.
00:07:39.000 What's that?
00:07:39.000 He was saying, but when you look at the Beliebers, like the Justin Bieber fans, they overwhelm the trending...
00:07:46.000 To the point where Twitter became the Justin Bieber show, and then Twitter had to go, okay, all right, settle the fuck down. 0.98
00:07:54.000 All these little 16-year-old girls are finger-banging themselves and slamming their fucking iPhones and trying to get this guy, you know, and try to pay attention to this guy constantly 24 hours a day. 1.00
00:08:04.000 Those believers are out of their fucking mind. 1.00
00:08:07.000 But that doesn't mean... 1.00
00:08:07.000 But what, did Twitter do something about that and actually deprioritize Justin Bieber tweets? 1.00
00:08:12.000 Is that the point?
00:08:13.000 Yeah, a long time ago, like two or three years into Twitter starting, they...
00:08:16.000 There's ten trending topics, I believe, I remember it's like seven out of the ten were all Justin Bieber this, I love Justin Bieber, whatever it was at the time.
00:08:23.000 Seven out of the ten!
00:08:25.000 I forgot to bring that up with Dan Arbach from the ARCs and the Black Keys when he was here, because he got into it with Beliebers.
00:08:33.000 Like, they got mad at him. 1.00
00:08:35.000 Oh man, don't fuck them off. 1.00
00:08:37.000 Of all the people you could, just in sheer numbers, it's like taking on a fight with an army of fire ants. 1.00
00:08:42.000 You're just not gonna win.
00:08:43.000 You know what's interesting?
00:08:44.000 They get mad at you if you're older than them, but if you use Twitter.
00:08:49.000 Like, it's one of the things that they love to say. 0.99
00:08:51.000 Like, you fucking old man, why are you even on Twitter? 0.99
00:08:53.000 Like, as if... 1.00
00:08:54.000 My generation invented it! 1.00
00:08:56.000 What they're trying to do is they're acknowledging that this is a stupid behavior, and they would assume that you're old enough that you realize it's a stupid behavior, and you should be better than them. 1.00
00:09:07.000 That's... 1.00
00:09:09.000 I'm allowed to be an immature little bitch. 1.00
00:09:11.000 I'm 14. What's your excuse, Joe? 1.00
00:09:13.000 There's something to that.
00:09:15.000 That is a part of what they're saying. 0.98
00:09:18.000 They're acknowledging their ridiculousness.
00:09:20.000 The difference between deprioritizing Belieber tweet hashtags and using your status as the most important social media information company in the world.
00:09:31.000 Unless you're a Belieber. 0.66
00:09:32.000 And then I don't see your point, bro.
00:09:34.000 I went on Twitter looking for what's important, what people are actually talking about. 0.99
00:09:38.000 They're talking about Justin fucking Bieber. 0.99
00:09:39.000 Did you know he got a face tattoo? 1.00
00:09:41.000 No.
00:09:42.000 Jamie told me.
00:09:43.000 Jamie, why do you even know these things?
00:09:46.000 Jamie will tell you the status of Beyonce and Jay-Z's wedding 24 hours a day at any given time.
00:09:50.000 You can text, how's Bay and Jay doing right now?
00:09:54.000 They okay?
00:09:55.000 And Jamie will let you know.
00:09:57.000 What's the latest?
00:09:58.000 Jamie's grinning like the Cheshire Cat.
00:10:00.000 He's just like, yep, that's me.
00:10:02.000 That's all me.
00:10:02.000 That's what he does.
00:10:03.000 He wears Yeezys.
00:10:04.000 He buys Yeezys.
00:10:10.000 Where is Justin Bieber's face tattoo, Jamie?
00:10:12.000 It is right below his eye.
00:10:13.000 Let's take a look.
00:10:14.000 Is it like a tear or something?
00:10:15.000 What is it?
00:10:16.000 It's a Jesus tattoo. 0.99
00:10:20.000 Please tell him you're shitting me. 0.99
00:10:21.000 It's a Jesus tattoo. 0.99
00:10:22.000 It's very small.
00:10:22.000 Let's go with it.
00:10:24.000 It's a cross, bro. 1.00
00:10:27.000 Zoom in on that bitch. 1.00
00:10:29.000 It looks like a mole. 1.00
00:10:30.000 What?
00:10:31.000 That's as big as it gets?
00:10:32.000 Someone must have a better version.
00:10:33.000 It's a cross, though, right?
00:10:34.000 I think this guy has one, too, next to him. 0.98
00:10:37.000 Oh, they're gay together. 1.00
00:10:38.000 They're banging each other. 1.00
00:10:39.000 Those two guys are banging each other. 0.99
00:10:40.000 If you can't tell the difference between your tattoo and just a facial blemish...
00:10:44.000 You got the wrong tattoo, dude.
00:10:46.000 No, he's got the right tattoo, because he's starting off like that. 0.55
00:10:48.000 See, what it is, is he wants to be, like, one of those black guys, like Birdman, who has tattoos all over his face. 0.64
00:10:54.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:10:54.000 He doesn't have that kind of balls. 1.00
00:10:55.000 No. 0.99
00:10:55.000 So he's going to go with a little tiny thing that he could eventually get lasered off, whatever, whatever, not that big a deal, you know? 0.99
00:11:00.000 Like, who's got a lot of, like, stitches?
00:11:02.000 Is that his name?
00:11:03.000 Yeah.
00:11:03.000 That white rapper who's got AK-47 tattooed on the side of his face?
00:11:07.000 Have you ever seen him?
00:11:08.000 No.
00:11:08.000 Oh, he's the best.
00:11:09.000 As far as the worst.
00:11:10.000 Yeah.
00:11:11.000 If by best, you mean the worst person in the world.
00:11:13.000 Worst examples of art.
00:11:15.000 Oh, he's got more tattoos now?
00:11:16.000 Oh, wow.
00:11:17.000 That's beautiful.
00:11:18.000 He's got them on his neck and his forehead now.
00:11:20.000 But the coolest thing about it is he's got basically the Joker scars coming out of the sides of his mouth that look like they've got stitches, hence his name, Stitches.
00:11:29.000 Yeah, well, he even has it on his lips, like above his lips and to the sides and left and right.
00:11:34.000 What is the latest thing that he's got?
00:11:35.000 He's got a star on his face, too?
00:11:37.000 The AK-47?
00:11:39.000 Well, he's got a star where Justin Bieber has his little mole.
00:11:43.000 That's the hotspot.
00:11:44.000 I've got to get me one of those. 0.99
00:11:46.000 That's like the dumb dude's version of a lower back tattoo. 1.00
00:11:49.000 It's like a tramp stamp for retards. 1.00
00:11:50.000 That's what it is.
00:11:52.000 Yeah, but it's just the visibility of it everywhere that would freak me out.
00:11:56.000 I've got a couple of tattoos, but they're not in places where I'm always going to be seen with them.
00:11:59.000 Not that it matters for Justin Bieber.
00:12:01.000 It's not like he's going to be going to a job interview and having to impress them.
00:12:04.000 That's true.
00:12:05.000 But...
00:12:05.000 Yeah, that's Gucci Mane.
00:12:06.000 Gucci Mane had an ice cream cone tattooed on his face with lightning bolts, and it says, Brr.
00:12:12.000 B-R-R-R. You know why that is. 0.99
00:12:16.000 And he also had some shit written under his eyelids. 0.99
00:12:19.000 What does that say? 0.99
00:12:21.000 What does it say on his eyelids?
00:12:22.000 It looks like old egg.
00:12:27.000 It's ingenious that he's got burr written on the ice cream, because you know ice cream is cold, and when people are cold they say burr.
00:12:34.000 So see what he's done there?
00:12:36.000 Good point.
00:12:36.000 He's combined the word burr with the visual iconography of an ice cream, thereby linking these two formerly disparate concepts in one beautiful tattoo.
00:12:45.000 How about this dude who copied them?
00:12:46.000 Look at the guy next to him.
00:12:47.000 He copied Gucci Mane. 1.00
00:12:49.000 That's even stupider. 0.99
00:12:50.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:12:50.000 He went with Burr, too. 1.00
00:12:51.000 He's like, man, maybe I'll get some of Gucci's runoff. 0.59
00:12:54.000 Bitches will see me at the diner. 1.00
00:12:56.000 Be like, yo, Gucci. 1.00
00:12:58.000 What's up? 1.00
00:12:58.000 You want to fuck? 1.00
00:13:00.000 Oh, dear. 1.00
00:13:01.000 Anyway, the implications of Justin Bieber being deprioritized on Twitter, I still contend.
00:13:08.000 Can't believe you're going back to this.
00:13:09.000 Not as great as the implications of Facebook hiding conservative news stories from its users on its news feed.
00:13:19.000 Well, it's very unfortunate that someone did this, but it's very important that the workers told us that they did this.
00:13:27.000 Yes.
00:13:27.000 Because it's supposed to be...
00:13:30.000 It's supposed to be an impartial, I guess, aggregator?
00:13:32.000 I mean, what would you call Facebook?
00:13:34.000 It's a portal?
00:13:35.000 A portal for stories that are trending?
00:13:37.000 They've never claimed that what you see is just the most recent thing that is coming up, right?
00:13:43.000 I mean, all of it is algorithms.
00:13:44.000 So the things that you tend to click on and the things that you tend to look at and the things that you tend to like, and the stories that you tend to click through to all go into their gigantic algorithm crunching machine, which I just imagine as being like a big Willy Wonka machine spewing with pink steam coming out the top.
00:13:59.000 Boop, boop! 1.00
00:13:59.000 Exactly. 1.00
00:14:01.000 A little munchkin.
00:14:01.000 A little toy trade circling it.
00:14:04.000 You put in all of the data, and then out the other end, the Oompa Loompas compile your Facebook feed.
00:14:10.000 And so they're making judgments all the time about what they're going to prioritize.
00:14:14.000 But what they shouldn't be doing is including any kind of their own political preferences.
00:14:17.000 And we don't yet know if it's actually true, or it just looks like this is one person who's saying this.
00:14:22.000 But my problem with it is, even if you condone these kinds of policies and you're a liberal...
00:14:29.000 You don't know what impact it's going to have and whether or not by putting this stuff out people are going to get more liberal, maybe they'll get more frustrated with liberal ideas and they'll become more conservative.
00:14:38.000 It's more likely to be that.
00:14:40.000 It fuels the idea that being a liberal is being a person is detached from reality.
00:14:45.000 And that's one of the major points of criticism.
00:14:49.000 When the conservative people go after the liberals, one of the major things that they try to harp on is that liberals are out of touch with reality.
00:14:57.000 When you have something like this and you're reinforcing the idea that they're shielding certain aspects of reality, like that some people have these conservative opinions, and if some people have a conservative opinion and you disagree with that conservative opinion, that's where the open exchange and the marketplace of ideas comes into place.
00:15:14.000 Now, if you don't allow that exchange to take place because you deny that people think that way because you hide the stories, you're going to alienate and you're going to create these confirmation bias forums.
00:15:23.000 You're going to create these places where people like Salon.com, where people just agree with each other and then they tell you why.
00:15:30.000 You know, why is Josh Zeps the worst?
00:15:32.000 We'll tell you why.
00:15:33.000 And then they tell you.
00:15:34.000 They ask a question.
00:15:35.000 And there's always like eight points.
00:15:36.000 Like eight reasons why Josh Zeps is the worst.
00:15:38.000 Here's why he's terrible.
00:15:39.000 Only eight?
00:15:40.000 I can give you a dozen.
00:15:41.000 But it's...
00:15:42.000 It's not news anymore. 0.99
00:15:44.000 They're so hysterically ridiculous. 0.99
00:15:47.000 They're so off the deep end. 0.99
00:15:48.000 I mean, it used to be the case that we thought of progressives and liberals as being more pro-free speech.
00:15:52.000 At least I did.
00:15:53.000 I thought of them as being on the side of more inclusiveness and more tolerance. 0.59
00:15:56.000 And it's becoming increasingly not the case at all, that there's more politically correct bullshit and more censorship and more imposing, less tolerance of other people's ideas on the left, even though they're on the right.
00:16:06.000 I 100% believe that, but I believe it's the pendulum effect. 0.96
00:16:10.000 I think it's the suppression of free speech by the conservatives in the Bush administration that fuck people up so sideways, they bounce back the other way ultra hard. 0.70
00:16:18.000 I think people got so angry at what was going on with John Ashcroft covering statues up with drapes and Oh, I loved that. 0.97
00:16:25.000 All the craziness that was going on in that administration, and all the suppression of gay rights.
00:16:30.000 Does everyone know about that? 0.94
00:16:31.000 The fact that John Ashcroft actually had the penis on a statue, on an old Roman or Grecian statue, which was like in one of the great, you know, temples down in Washington, D.C., covered up. 0.93
00:16:43.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:16:43.000 Because he was so periodical that he didn't want a naked penis from an ancient statue. 0.99
00:16:48.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:16:48.000 He was so disturbing that that guy got into office. 0.99
00:16:52.000 You know, one of the guys that I correspond with online, he had something to do with some record store, and he sent me an album of gospel songs that John Ashcroft had made with some other dude. 1.00
00:17:07.000 He was fucking, and probably still is, bat shit crazy. 0.98
00:17:12.000 Well, I mean, they kind of, what do you call it, like... 1.00
00:17:16.000 When you stack, they basically stacked the Bush administration with a lot of crazy people like that.
00:17:21.000 Especially the first administration of the Bush administration, the 2000-2004. 0.61
00:17:26.000 Man, you look at some of those people.
00:17:28.000 They're basically theocrats.
00:17:30.000 I mean, they're not that different from a Christian version of what the Iranian...
00:17:34.000 Well, not only that, they're so caricature-ish that they seem like characters in a movie, like a bad action movie.
00:17:41.000 I mean, you think about what you've got.
00:17:42.000 You've got Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney, two people arguably forged in the center of the earth. 0.99
00:17:48.000 I mean, they're fucking straight-up evil, right? 1.00
00:17:52.000 Dick Cheney is straight-up evil. 1.00
00:17:53.000 He got to a point where he didn't have a fucking heartbeat. 1.00
00:17:56.000 You know? 0.99
00:17:57.000 I mean, the guy had an artificial heart put in, which was pumping his blood through his body with no pulse.
00:18:02.000 He does.
00:18:02.000 Doesn't he still have no pulse?
00:18:03.000 No, he had a transplant.
00:18:04.000 Oh, does he have a live heart now? 1.00
00:18:05.000 He found some dude and cut his fucking heart out. 1.00
00:18:07.000 You bet your ass they did. 1.00
00:18:09.000 With one of those stone knives. 0.99
00:18:10.000 We happen to have a match. 1.00
00:18:13.000 Bullshit, you happen to have a match. 1.00
00:18:14.000 You went out there and killed somebody. 1.00
00:18:16.000 Yeah, some Secret Service agent disappeared.
00:18:18.000 One Secret Service agent on a really healthy diet. 1.00
00:18:22.000 Fucking cut that guy open like a fish. 1.00
00:18:25.000 You can just imagine, they've probably got like a Tinder for Dick Cheney, where he's just swiping left and swiping right on the people who they're going to kill. 1.00
00:18:31.000 For his heart.
00:18:32.000 You got a 23-year-old?
00:18:34.000 He and Ashcroft, and there was a whole bunch of them.
00:18:39.000 Wolfowitz. 0.76
00:18:40.000 I mean, that guy just looked like a demon. 1.00
00:18:43.000 I mean, all of those fucking... 1.00
00:18:46.000 The whole administration was filled with chicken hawks. 1.00
00:18:51.000 That were all about Jesus and wanted to go over there and kick some ass and fucking blow shit up. 0.99
00:18:56.000 It's interesting you mention Wolfowitz, because in terms of what we're saying about the left can be intolerant of other ideas, a lot of these guys, especially Wolfowitz, were former Marxists. 1.00
00:19:06.000 When Wolfowitz was young at university, he was a revolutionary Marxist.
00:19:10.000 And it's interesting that oftentimes people who are hyper-revolutionary socialists can flip into becoming hyper, like, Ayn Randian, idealistic reactionaries.
00:19:22.000 And there's the same kind of...
00:19:23.000 It's not that different when you think about it.
00:19:26.000 People think of them as being ideas that are at the end of a political spectrum.
00:19:30.000 But it's actually more like a horseshoe, right?
00:19:33.000 Right.
00:19:33.000 Where at one end, you think that you can overthrow the capitalist system and create a utopia in which everyone is going to be equal and it's going to be from each according to his ability, to each according to his need.
00:19:45.000 And then at the other end, you believe that you can wipe societies clean, you can go into Iraq and raise everything and then start from fresh and democracy will spring up and people will be able to live in peace. 0.99
00:19:57.000 I mean, they're both basically kind of messianic, utopian ideas about change, instead of the sort of change that I think actually works, which is just incremental, grudging change, bit by bit, slowly eking it out.
00:20:10.000 That's not what Cheney and Wolfowitz think the world is all about.
00:20:13.000 No, they tried to force change and force change at home and abroad.
00:20:17.000 And that's where the conspiracy theories come in about 9-11 and the attacks and Dick Cheney saying that we need something like a new Pearl Harbor.
00:20:26.000 And that's where people really freak out because they look at how much people actually did profit from that event.
00:20:31.000 So they go, well, okay, is it possible that someone had a part in letting that event happen or helping that event happen or Yeah,
00:20:55.000 exactly.
00:20:55.000 I mean, I do think, like, when you look at how incompetently they managed Iraq, when you look at how incompetently they managed Katrina, when you look at how incompetently they managed things that they wanted to get right...
00:21:06.000 The idea that they could have pulled off something like that within eight months of entering office, I find implausible.
00:21:10.000 If I have to choose between incompetence versus a massive conspiracy, I usually think people are just generally incompetent.
00:21:18.000 How do you even start that conversation?
00:21:21.000 How do you even say, listen, hear this out.
00:21:24.000 Before you get crazy, hear this out.
00:21:26.000 I got an idea.
00:21:27.000 We gotta talk some dudes into flying planes into the World Trade Center in Towers 1 and 2. We're gonna hijack planes filled with people, and we're gonna talk these guys into flying them into the buildings.
00:21:40.000 They'd be like, wait, who the fuck is gonna do that? 0.99
00:21:43.000 Religious people. 1.00
00:21:44.000 You've got to get them to believe that there's a bunch of pussy waiting for them in heaven, and all they have to do is fly these planes into buildings to get that pussy. 1.00
00:21:49.000 Yeah, but see, Joe, these plans had long been hatched because there were camps in Afghanistan which we were funding. 0.99
00:21:55.000 Is that your Alex Jones impression?
00:21:57.000 I can feel it coming on.
00:21:58.000 We're getting close.
00:21:58.000 No, folks on Alex Jones!
00:21:59.000 No, no.
00:22:00.000 Alex Jones would be yelling at me right now explaining why I'm wrong.
00:22:05.000 Also, there's a much easier way to have done it, which is if you wanted a pretext to go into Iraq, all you'd need to do would be – I was talking to a national defense guy about this.
00:22:14.000 He was like, there was a no-fly zone over Iraq.
00:22:16.000 The CIA could have painted a US plane the Iraqi colours and just faked a shoot-down of a US or British jet that was patrolling the no-fly zone, and you would have a much clearer case, actually, in international law to go to war than the vague case that they did do,
00:22:33.000 because it wasn't connected to 9-11, so they had to make up this shit about WMDs and all that sort of stuff.
00:22:38.000 You could easily have orchestrated something without bringing down the World Trade Towers that would have given you a good reason to go into Iraq. 0.99
00:22:43.000 Well, that was one of the main reasons why a lot of people bought into...
00:22:48.000 Do you know about Operation Northwoods?
00:22:50.000 Do you know that story?
00:22:51.000 I've only heard you talk about it, yeah.
00:22:53.000 The Operation Northwoods, that was that exact plan to get people to go to war with Cuba, to get us excited about it. 0.99
00:22:58.000 They were going to blow up an American drone.
00:23:00.000 They were going to send a jetliner up in the air with no one in it and shoot it out of the sky.
00:23:04.000 They were going to arm Cuban friendlies and attack Guantanamo Bay. 0.83
00:23:08.000 That was the main idea behind it.
00:23:09.000 It was like, this would be the way we could get people excited about going to war with Cuba. 0.96
00:23:13.000 Because, you know, that whole... 0.97
00:23:15.000 Bay of Pigs and all that fucking disaster that happened when Kennedy was in office. 0.97
00:23:19.000 I mean, and then the missile crisis. 0.98
00:23:20.000 There was a lot of tension going on with Cuba.
00:23:22.000 So they had concocted this idea.
00:23:24.000 It's called Operation Northwoods.
00:23:26.000 It was signed by the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
00:23:29.000 So they went with it.
00:23:30.000 Like, they were like, sounds like democracy. 1.00
00:23:32.000 And they, let's just fucking lie to people and blow shit up and kill Americans. 1.00
00:23:35.000 They were going to fucking kill Americans in Guantanamo Bay. 1.00
00:23:39.000 Oh, you bet they. 1.00
00:23:39.000 And blame it on the Cubans. 1.00
00:23:40.000 I'm sure they have. 0.99
00:23:41.000 And because they're such unscrupulous assholes and they do these legitimate conspiracy theories, that's what gives people reasons to believe in what I regard as being the much more ridiculous conspiracy theories. 0.98
00:23:52.000 Yes. 0.99
00:23:52.000 But it would be a lot better if they just didn't do any of this shit in the first place, and then people wouldn't be out of their minds being so suspicious about whether or not 9-11 was an inside job. 0.99
00:24:00.000 Well, there was the word that Dick Cheney was discussing the possibility of doing something like that for Iran before they left office. 0.99
00:24:09.000 They were talking about orchestrating a false flag on Iran before they left office, and they never pulled it off.
00:24:15.000 Whether or not that's true or not remains to be seen, but it's not outside the realm of possibility.
00:24:20.000 I mean, it happened in so many different times in history, when Nero burnt Rome, when Hitler burned the Reichstag, when, I mean, the whole, what happened to get us into Vietnam.
00:24:31.000 Well, that's right.
00:24:32.000 Like the Gulf of Tonkin and stuff like that.
00:24:34.000 Yeah, the Gulf of Tonkin.
00:24:34.000 They pretended we got shot down.
00:24:36.000 No, that's right.
00:24:36.000 And you don't even have to go as far as the Nazis, just in terms of what the CIA has done in counterinsurgency operations in South America and stuff, the involvement in the coup in 1973 in Chile.
00:24:47.000 I was reading up about that lately because I went to Chile a couple of years ago. 0.97
00:24:51.000 I mean, it's not that they absolutely, completely manufacture total bullshit from whole cloth, but they... 0.91
00:24:59.000 Give voice to conspiracy theories in those particular countries. 0.93
00:25:02.000 They fund media outlets that are spreading, you know, what the CIA wants to get heard.
00:25:08.000 And they just basically put their finger on the scales of something so that it goes another way.
00:25:12.000 I mean, the democratically elected government in Chile was overthrown by a brutal military dictatorship, which then lasted for an entire generation, thanks largely to the CIA. I mean, we don't even think or hear or learn about that stuff.
00:25:24.000 And do you think that it's possible for them to go, listen?
00:25:28.000 You've got to break some eggs to make an omelette.
00:25:30.000 Yeah, sure.
00:25:31.000 You want America to be America, land the free home of the brave?
00:25:33.000 Well, there's only one way. 0.99
00:25:34.000 We've got to fucking lie to you. 1.00
00:25:36.000 We've got to kick some asses. 1.00
00:25:37.000 There's a lot of shit we'd like to tell you, but the world works in a really fucked up way, and you don't want to know about that because you want to watch Real Housewives. 1.00
00:25:42.000 Exactly. 0.99
00:25:42.000 So this is what we're going to do. 0.99
00:25:43.000 No, and I actually have some sympathy for that idea.
00:25:46.000 A friend of mine is the former director of the CIA. I spent a Thanksgiving with him once down in Washington, D.C. Did you look in his basement?
00:25:54.000 No.
00:25:54.000 It's all skulls.
00:25:55.000 I just opened the door, skulls rolled out in the hallway.
00:25:59.000 And when I talk to people like that, yeah, I do understand that our vision of the world is a very small sliver and can be quite naive.
00:26:08.000 Very naive.
00:26:09.000 Their attitude is, when you're actually working in the national security apparatus, there is apparatus?
00:26:14.000 Apparatus.
00:26:15.000 You might have made a word.
00:26:16.000 That'll do.
00:26:16.000 I just did it.
00:26:17.000 Apparatus?
00:26:17.000 Sure.
00:26:18.000 You'd think you made up a word, but it sounds so good.
00:26:20.000 I just did.
00:26:20.000 I like it.
00:26:20.000 If you didn't just, like, stop yourself...
00:26:23.000 Then apparatus would be a new word.
00:26:25.000 A lot of people at home would have went, I'm going, okay.
00:26:27.000 Seems like a smart guy.
00:26:29.000 If you actually work there, then I think your outlook is basically what you just articulated, which is, it'll be lovely if we all lived in a world with ice cream and candy and where the lions slept with the lambs and the postman hugged the dogs and we were all dancing in the streets.
00:26:43.000 But listen, honcho, it's a tough world out there, and either the Saddam Husseins and the Putins are going to rule it, or we are. 0.94
00:26:49.000 And sometimes you have to break a few eggs in order to make an omelet, and sometimes you have To do things that might not seem pretty on the surface.
00:26:54.000 But I'll tell you what, we're the ones who are standing on the wall watching God. 0.99
00:26:57.000 So you go about your little business and we'll take care of shit. 0.99
00:27:00.000 I heard the national anthem playing while you said that. 1.00
00:27:02.000 I really did.
00:27:03.000 Which one?
00:27:04.000 The Australian one? 0.86
00:27:05.000 America!
00:27:06.000 America!
00:27:08.000 God shed his grace on thee!
00:27:11.000 Wait, that's not the national anthem.
00:27:12.000 Whatever.
00:27:13.000 That's America the beautiful! 1.00
00:27:14.000 It's all the same shit. 1.00
00:27:15.000 Are you even American? 1.00
00:27:16.000 I'm barely.
00:27:17.000 Probably Canadian or something. 0.93
00:27:18.000 Barely America.
00:27:19.000 America the Beautiful should be the national anthem.
00:27:21.000 Can I just say that?
00:27:22.000 It's a great song.
00:27:23.000 Much better.
00:27:24.000 Star Spangled Banner.
00:27:25.000 Well, Star Spangled Banner has rockets in it, though.
00:27:27.000 I'm going to probably stick with that.
00:27:29.000 The rocket's red glare.
00:27:30.000 The bombs bursting in air.
00:27:34.000 What?
00:27:34.000 The bombs are bursting in air?
00:27:37.000 That's in our fucking... 1.00
00:27:38.000 National anthem? 1.00
00:27:39.000 I love how warmongering so many national anthems are.
00:27:42.000 Like the French. 1.00
00:27:43.000 The French one literally has lyrics about the blood of our enemies will fill the canals of France.
00:27:50.000 Whoa. 1.00
00:27:50.000 It's like, it's serious shit. 1.00
00:27:51.000 It's unrealistic. 1.00
00:27:53.000 How many people do you have to kill? 0.99
00:27:54.000 You guys are just lying. 1.00
00:27:56.000 There's no way.
00:27:56.000 Not gonna happen.
00:27:56.000 Bombs actually could burst in air.
00:27:58.000 They could.
00:27:59.000 And do.
00:28:00.000 And have done.
00:28:00.000 Fill the canals of blood.
00:28:01.000 Who the fuck are you killing, man? 1.00
00:28:03.000 Germans probably. 1.00
00:28:04.000 You'd have to kill everybody on the planet to fill the canals of blood. 1.00
00:28:07.000 There'd be no one left. 0.98
00:28:08.000 Well, I mean, they killed a lot of Germans. 0.76
00:28:10.000 And the Germans killed a lot of Russians.
00:28:11.000 Have you seen some of the numbers?
00:28:13.000 There's a great graphic that I think, like, Vox produced or something about the number of people in total who were killed in the World Wars.
00:28:19.000 Each one represented, like, each thousand or million or something is represented by a little block.
00:28:23.000 Yeah, I know what you're talking about.
00:28:24.000 But it's just crazy.
00:28:25.000 It's crazy when you start seeing how many people...
00:28:27.000 You're like, oh, this is a lot who were killed in, for example, the Iraq War, and it goes back to Vietnam, World War I. But World War II, towards the final few years of World War II, even excluding the Holocaust, just looking at people, mainly Russians... 0.79
00:28:43.000 It's just millions upon millions upon millions of people.
00:28:48.000 Like 20 million people.
00:28:49.000 We don't think about the Russians that died in World War II either.
00:28:53.000 A lot more of them died than us.
00:28:55.000 And often, I mean, if you talk to a military historian, what really ended the war, yes, D-Day was important, but the Soviets won the war.
00:29:03.000 I mean, it was the fact that the Nazis were just hemorrhaging in the East.
00:29:07.000 That meant that they couldn't put up any defenses in the West.
00:29:11.000 So D-Day was a, you know, not to insult our great forefathers who fought there, but D-Day was a little bit of a walk in the park in comparison to what was happening on the Eastern Front.
00:29:18.000 Well, there was a lot going on all across the world, but one of the scariest things about France and what happened to them during World War II is the amount of France to this day that you literally can't even visit because it's so filled with waste.
00:29:34.000 From all the bombs that were dropped.
00:29:36.000 Have you seen there's an area larger than Paris that's completely fenced in and you can't go in it?
00:29:42.000 Because it's got so much munitions and so many bombs that were dropped there. 0.95
00:29:46.000 It's so fucked up that it'll be that way for something like 100,000 years or something crazy. 0.99
00:29:51.000 I mean, it's for poison gas and all kinds of shit they did. 1.00
00:29:54.000 Bodies! 1.00
00:29:54.000 There are just still bodies, just bones and shit. 1.00
00:29:56.000 There's this little town in northern France called Villers-Bretonne where the Aussies were, I mean, you know, no one ever thinks about the Aussies and the New Zealanders and all those little countries who were fighting there as well, but of course they had their own little plots that they had to fight. 0.90
00:30:09.000 I think?
00:30:28.000 The world war.
00:30:28.000 Whoa.
00:30:29.000 That's crazy.
00:30:30.000 Nutty.
00:30:31.000 What were we doing over there?
00:30:32.000 Doesn't make any sense.
00:30:33.000 Opposite side of the world.
00:30:34.000 Should have just stayed home.
00:30:35.000 Well, I think we saw some of those Hitler speeches and went, okay, we're going to have to do something here. 0.99
00:30:40.000 This guy might have the right stuff to fucking become the real Darth Vader. 0.98
00:30:46.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:30:46.000 That charismatic person who's completely insane that wants to conquer the world and gets a whole nation behind him is so Donald Trump. 0.99
00:30:54.000 I mean, is so crazy and scary. 0.99
00:30:56.000 Yeah!
00:30:59.000 I mean, that's kind of what we're...
00:31:01.000 Look, he's not trying to take over the world, but it shows you how problematic personality can be when it comes to someone being chosen to be the leader.
00:31:12.000 Especially to this day.
00:31:13.000 In this day, rather.
00:31:14.000 We're so soft. 0.99
00:31:15.000 This is a day of food coming on these little styrofoam trays and being able to pull up to Wendy's and get a fucking cheeseburger in 15 seconds. 1.00
00:31:21.000 We're so weak. 0.98
00:31:23.000 And it's so easy to exist that we're excited about this guy possibly, like, overturning the apple cart.
00:31:31.000 People are pumped about it.
00:31:33.000 People don't have any other options as well.
00:31:35.000 No! 0.99
00:31:35.000 That's what's even more fucked up. 0.99
00:31:36.000 I feel like, you know, Bernie and Trump were the ways, in different ways, that people had, that people who've been shat on for a long time, white, working class dudes, mostly, I mean, when you look at the fact that incomes of middle America has been stagnating for the past 30 years, 0.98
00:31:53.000 manufacturing has been in decline, there hasn't been a rise in working class incomes in America since the 80s.
00:32:01.000 I was surprised that Elizabeth Warren didn't get more traction. 1.00
00:32:04.000 It seems like once that Native American stuff came out about her, she just went, okay, I'm just going to step over here. 0.92
00:32:09.000 I honestly think she believes that she's more useful in the Senate.
00:32:12.000 Maybe, but you know the Native American stuff.
00:32:14.000 Yeah.
00:32:15.000 Where she faked a Native American heritage?
00:32:17.000 Yeah.
00:32:18.000 In order to get some sort of a scholarship or something like that?
00:32:20.000 When I hear things like that, my brain, it just hits the, this is probably a beat-up part of my brain, and it just goes straight out my ear. 0.99
00:32:27.000 Because I don't really give a shit about stuff like that. 0.99
00:32:29.000 Really? 0.99
00:32:29.000 You don't care about someone faking their ethnicity? 0.99
00:32:31.000 That's huge.
00:32:32.000 Well, I didn't look into it enough.
00:32:33.000 To me, it's...
00:32:34.000 Would she have needed to?
00:32:35.000 She's like a brilliant woman.
00:32:36.000 Why was she doing it? 0.94
00:32:38.000 She wanted to get into a university.
00:32:39.000 That's a good question.
00:32:41.000 Pull that up, Jamie. 0.99
00:32:42.000 Find out what the fuck that was all about. 0.98
00:32:43.000 But I don't know. 0.98
00:32:45.000 I mean, who knows if she actually did it?
00:32:46.000 Maybe someone else did it and she sort of went with it?
00:32:49.000 It's so difficult to tell without talking to her.
00:32:51.000 If it's a Rachel Dolezal thing where someone has spent their whole life pretending to be something that they're not, then I think, yes, that's...
00:32:57.000 There's quite a few of those out there, though.
00:32:58.000 Yeah, then I do think that that's disqualifying.
00:33:01.000 But I feel like if the only thing that your political opponents can dig up on you is that you filled out a form wrong...
00:33:06.000 But that's not filling out a form wrong.
00:33:08.000 It's being deceptive about your ethnicity in order to take advantage of people that are undermined by society. 0.66
00:33:15.000 I mean, when you go with Native American... 1.00
00:33:17.000 Let's kill her. 1.00
00:33:18.000 What? 1.00
00:33:20.000 Let's behead her. 1.00
00:33:21.000 Let's put her into Trump's concentration camps. 1.00
00:33:23.000 It's only black and white in America.
00:33:25.000 We don't have any graves.
00:33:28.000 Yeah, Trump is fascinating, isn't he?
00:33:31.000 I can't believe it's actually going to happen.
00:33:32.000 Oh, he might win.
00:33:34.000 He's real close to winning because I just don't know whether or not Hillary can hold up to scrutiny when you're talking about her being under two criminal investigations right now, right now, in the immediate future. 0.99
00:33:46.000 There's two criminal investigations going on.
00:33:47.000 They just gave immunity to the guy who set up that email server.
00:33:51.000 They just deported him.
00:33:53.000 They brought him over to America. 0.71
00:33:54.000 Extradited him.
00:33:55.000 What do they do?
00:33:55.000 What's that called?
00:33:57.000 They brought him over to America and gave him immunity. 1.00
00:33:59.000 So, what the fuck, man? 0.99
00:34:01.000 What is going to happen now? 1.00
00:34:03.000 Well, yeah, we are one...
00:34:04.000 I was talking to Artie...
00:34:06.000 The guy who hacked it, rather.
00:34:07.000 Oh, right.
00:34:07.000 They gave immunity.
00:34:08.000 Yeah.
00:34:09.000 I was talking to Artie Lang on my podcast about...
00:34:12.000 Wait a minute, that's not true.
00:34:13.000 Hold on a second.
00:34:14.000 They gave immunity to the guy who set up the server.
00:34:17.000 They extradited the guy who created the hack.
00:34:19.000 He doesn't have immunity.
00:34:20.000 Where's he from?
00:34:21.000 The guy who hacked...
00:34:21.000 I think he's from Romania.
00:34:23.000 Of course he is.
00:34:23.000 Is that right?
00:34:23.000 Of course he's from Romania.
00:34:25.000 The guy who hacked into the email servers and exposed all that.
00:34:28.000 I want to say he's from a very small, rural town in Romania.
00:34:32.000 I'm not kidding.
00:34:32.000 Even if that's not true, I like that image of him just in a shed, in a barn, in the middle of nowhere, in icy cold Romania.
00:34:39.000 I think it's true, though.
00:34:40.000 Romanian hacker.
00:34:41.000 Guccifer.
00:34:42.000 I breached Clinton's server.
00:34:43.000 It was easy.
00:34:44.000 Yeah.
00:34:44.000 This guy, he got arrested, and he's in jail.
00:34:47.000 But the guy who set up the actual server itself, by the way, which is in her bathroom, Okay, what? 0.60
00:34:53.000 Why would you put a server in your bathroom? 1.00
00:34:55.000 Okay, who knows.
00:34:56.000 But that guy got immunity, and this guy got extra.
00:34:59.000 The Clintons are just so frustratingly paranoid.
00:35:02.000 Even if there was nothing, even if she wasn't doing anything wrong, the fact that she's so paranoid as to need to set that up because she's so terrified that someone's going to get access to her emails.
00:35:12.000 Well, you know what they did?
00:35:13.000 They spent a million dollars to fight off social media opinions.
00:35:16.000 Do you know about this?
00:35:17.000 No.
00:35:18.000 Look at this.
00:35:19.000 The PAC spends $1 million to correct commenters on Reddit and Facebook.
00:35:23.000 A million dollars.
00:35:24.000 They spend a million dollars to fight off people that don't like Clinton.
00:35:28.000 I mean, what they're doing is they're trying to engineer public support.
00:35:31.000 Public support that Bernie Sanders has got organically.
00:35:34.000 That becomes really dangerous.
00:35:35.000 And that Trump has organically.
00:35:36.000 Trump has organically too?
00:35:37.000 Maybe.
00:35:37.000 We don't know.
00:35:38.000 Well, here's the thing. 0.96
00:35:39.000 What he does have is even people who hate him acknowledge that he is not full of bullshit and that he's not spouting someone else's lines, right? 0.97
00:35:48.000 He doesn't seem manufactured. 0.97
00:35:49.000 He's obviously not a conventional politician.
00:35:51.000 I can dislike all of his policies as much as I do, but I can still regard him as being a breath of fresh air.
00:35:57.000 Hold on.
00:35:57.000 You don't like his policies?
00:35:59.000 What about the wall?
00:36:01.000 The wall's a great idea.
00:36:02.000 Aren't you a Pink Floyd fan?
00:36:04.000 I am a Pink Floyd fan.
00:36:06.000 Actually, I don't think the wall is the craziest of...
00:36:09.000 is even close to his craziest of ideas.
00:36:12.000 What's the craziest? 0.96
00:36:13.000 Keeping Muslims out of the country? 0.99
00:36:14.000 Yeah, probably not allowing any non-citizen Muslim into the United States is not only crazy, but incredibly dangerous. 0.98
00:36:19.000 Because I think that if we want to be able to conquer...
00:36:23.000 Yeah.
00:36:42.000 We're good to go.
00:36:47.000 We're good to go.
00:37:03.000 Different organizations.
00:37:04.000 It's like, that's where you kind of support it.
00:37:06.000 You kind of support clandestine behavior and sneakiness and deception because they're pretty good at it.
00:37:12.000 They've been doing it for a long time and they know how to get deep into organizations.
00:37:17.000 You know, like, you ever see the show Homeland?
00:37:19.000 Yeah, of course.
00:37:19.000 Come on, bro.
00:37:20.000 I mean, was that a documentary?
00:37:23.000 No.
00:37:24.000 I mean, the idea of a wall to me...
00:37:26.000 But I come from a country, Australia, which is surrounded...
00:37:29.000 It's an island.
00:37:30.000 So, like, of course there are not that...
00:37:32.000 Like, the idea of people just pouring across the border back and forth and coming in for seasonal work, and, like, that to me does strike me as odd.
00:37:42.000 Yeah.
00:37:42.000 That there's an undefended border.
00:37:45.000 I don't think it would be a good investment of money. 0.92
00:37:48.000 I think it's silly.
00:37:48.000 I think it's a distraction.
00:37:49.000 If you talk to technology experts, they say that there are much better ways of securing the border than with a physical wall. 0.99
00:37:55.000 You can have drones and things, and you can have all kinds of crazy shit. 0.98
00:38:01.000 But, because people will dig under a wall, or they'll climb over a wall. 0.92
00:38:03.000 It's not nearly as sophisticated as the kind of technology that you could use.
00:38:07.000 But I don't think there's anything inherently bigoted about it.
00:38:11.000 I think deporting every single person who's here illegally is an overreaction.
00:38:16.000 Have you seen the stats about how many 747s full of people you would need to get all 11 million undocumented people in America out within the two years?
00:38:25.000 There's more than 11 million in LA, by the way. 0.95
00:38:28.000 This idea that there's 11 million undocumented people in America is fucking hilarious. 1.00
00:38:33.000 Get on the 405 at 3 in the afternoon... 0.98
00:38:36.000 And look around. 0.99
00:38:37.000 Because there's fucking millions and millions of people that are from Canada. 1.00
00:38:40.000 That's racist, Joe Rogan. 1.00
00:38:41.000 That are from Canada.
00:38:42.000 Millions of people from Mexico.
00:38:44.000 Millions of people from all sorts of spots that aren't supposed to be here.
00:38:47.000 That got visas and stayed. 1.00
00:38:49.000 That shit is rampant. 1.00
00:38:50.000 I know. 1.00
00:38:51.000 And the bloody Aussies, not to mention. 1.00
00:38:53.000 Go to Santa Monica. 1.00
00:38:54.000 Every barista's an Aussie. 0.91
00:38:55.000 You guys don't let anybody in Australia, either.
00:38:57.000 Like, boatloads of people that try to get over there.
00:38:59.000 Not if they come illegally. 1.00
00:39:00.000 Fuck that. 1.00
00:39:00.000 Spin them around, light them on fire, and push them out to the ocean. 1.00
00:39:04.000 Many people don't fucking play over there. 0.99
00:39:07.000 Australia's policy has been since the 80s that you have a very high level of legal migration and a high level of refugee intake. 0.97
00:39:16.000 On a per capita basis, Australia is one of certainly the top ten most generous countries in terms of people coming in.
00:39:22.000 More than half of the population of Australia has arrived since the Second World War.
00:39:25.000 Really?
00:39:26.000 Yep.
00:39:26.000 So it's actually a higher immigrant proportion country than the United States even is.
00:39:29.000 If you do it legally.
00:39:30.000 If you do it legally.
00:39:31.000 But we have this quite controversial and pretty inhumane but I suppose defensible policy which is if you pay a people smuggler to make your way all the way from Afghanistan or Iran or wherever it is you're coming from or Syria and you pass through a bazillion other different countries through Malaysia,
00:39:49.000 through Singapore, you make your way down to Indonesia and you're rich enough to get on a boat that then comes to Australia you will never be settled in Australia.
00:39:56.000 Really?
00:39:57.000 Never, ever, ever.
00:39:58.000 Never.
00:39:58.000 You'll be intercepted, and you'll be sent to one of a couple of Pacific Island nations.
00:40:02.000 There's a place called Manus Island in Papua New Guinea, I believe.
00:40:05.000 There's another place called Nauru, which is a country in its own right.
00:40:08.000 And they have set up these big detention centers there, and people can end up there for years or even decades while their cases get hurt.
00:40:15.000 It's really barbaric. 0.99
00:40:16.000 People sew their fucking lips together in protest. 1.00
00:40:19.000 One guy just set himself on fire in front of United Nations inspectors who were there. 0.99
00:40:22.000 It's really not pretty stuff.
00:40:24.000 But the government says...
00:40:25.000 Listen, we used to have, under the previous government which relaxed these policies, 50,000 people died at sea trying to get to Australia in boats, including women and children.
00:40:34.000 Now, almost nobody tries to come to Australia by boat anymore because they know they're never going to settle.
00:40:38.000 So what do you prefer?
00:40:39.000 A few hundred people basically being stuck in indefinite detention on some shitty Pacific island, or 50,000 people dying at sea trying to get here because they think they're going to be resettled?
00:40:49.000 Plus, Australia remains awesome.
00:40:52.000 That's where it gets weird. 0.56
00:40:53.000 It's pretty fucking badass there. 0.71
00:40:56.000 So if you're trying to, like, look at the end result, you might go, man, the result might justify the means. 0.55
00:41:01.000 Because, like, go to Melbourne. 0.98
00:41:03.000 It's fucking beautiful. 0.99
00:41:04.000 It's great. 0.99
00:41:04.000 It's incredible. 0.99
00:41:05.000 Yeah.
00:41:05.000 It's like paradise.
00:41:06.000 There's something about...
00:41:26.000 That's L.A. Yeah, so the greater LA area, if you include all the way up to Malibu and down to Long Beach and all that.
00:41:38.000 And that's in an area the same size as the contiguous United States.
00:41:43.000 Yeah, crazy.
00:41:44.000 And everybody lives in the edges.
00:41:45.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:41:46.000 The middle is all spiders and shit. 0.99
00:41:49.000 It's crocodiles and lizards. 1.00
00:41:51.000 Kangaroos and spiders. 1.00
00:41:52.000 Fucking nuts, man. 1.00
00:41:52.000 It's a crazy place. 1.00
00:41:54.000 Yeah, but Canada's kind of like that.
00:41:55.000 Canada's only got 35 million people, and it's bigger than the United States, even including Alaska. 0.95
00:41:59.000 But it's fucking frozen most of the time. 0.98
00:42:01.000 Again, yeah. 0.99
00:42:02.000 It's the same.
00:42:02.000 Canada and Australia are kind of very similar in that they're enormous but totally inhospitable.
00:42:08.000 I mean, you could no sooner live in most parts of Canada than you could live in most parts of Australia where there's just no water and no vegetation.
00:42:14.000 Australia is desert.
00:42:15.000 Canada is ice.
00:42:16.000 But not really ice.
00:42:17.000 He'd probably be better off trying Australia than you would...
00:42:21.000 I mean, trying Canada than you would Australia.
00:42:22.000 Yeah, definitely.
00:42:23.000 Well, you could get water, you could make fires and stuff.
00:42:25.000 I mean, if there's no water, you're screwed.
00:42:27.000 Right.
00:42:28.000 But there's a lot of people that live...
00:42:29.000 Like, I have some friends that live in Alberta.
00:42:31.000 They live way up there.
00:42:33.000 They live in... 1.00
00:42:34.000 It's fucking cold as shit. 1.00
00:42:36.000 The wintertime up there is like 30, 40 below zero. 1.00
00:42:38.000 It's crazy.
00:42:39.000 But they live there.
00:42:40.000 They're fine.
00:42:41.000 Yeah.
00:42:41.000 Well, with modern civilization, I suppose.
00:42:46.000 And the other thing about Australia and Canada is, as you say, we all huddle along a very, very narrow strip.
00:42:50.000 In Australia, it's the coast, and in Canada, it's the border.
00:42:53.000 Don't you think it's easier, though, to live in a cold climate than an inhospitably hot climate?
00:42:58.000 Because you could dress for a cold climate.
00:43:00.000 You can get in your car, you drive around, you're alright, you get in your house, it's warm. 0.99
00:43:04.000 But hot climates are fucking scary. 0.95
00:43:06.000 Like, it gets too hot to survive outside. 0.98
00:43:08.000 For whatever reason, that's way scarier because you can't dress for it.
00:43:12.000 Like, you could wear, like, really insulated clothes, and you could actually stand outside at 10 below.
00:43:17.000 You grew up in the Northeast, right?
00:43:19.000 Mm-hmm. 1.00
00:43:19.000 But if you're outside and it's 130 degrees outside, you're fucked. 1.00
00:43:23.000 I feel like this just comes from what you're used to. 0.99
00:43:26.000 I reckon because you grew up in the Northeast, you're not as scared of the cold.
00:43:29.000 I find...
00:43:31.000 Like, when I first moved to New York, I remember saying to people back in Australia...
00:43:36.000 Why is there even a city here? 0.98
00:43:38.000 Why did anyone ever come across the ocean and build a fucking city here where it's literally so cold that a dog's piss on the sidewalk will turn into ice? 0.97
00:43:49.000 It's like I'm in the TV show The Dome and it's just a giant freezer because I'd never had the conception of actually being sub-freezing. 1.00
00:43:57.000 Like, shit is just freezing. 0.99
00:43:58.000 You should not be living anywhere where if you fell over drunk at night and hit your head, you would be dead by the morning. 1.00
00:44:04.000 But then again, shouldn't we get rid of some dummies? 0.99
00:44:09.000 Shouldn't we thin the herd a little bit? 1.00
00:44:10.000 You know, if you're fucking falling asleep out in the street drunk. 0.98
00:44:13.000 I mean, it's sad when it happens to people. 0.97
00:44:15.000 You hear about it with, like, college kids.
00:44:17.000 They freeze to death.
00:44:17.000 It happens, like, every other year or so.
00:44:20.000 Some college kid in New Hampshire will get drunk, fall asleep outside, and freeze to death.
00:44:24.000 It shouldn't be living there.
00:44:25.000 Don't do it.
00:44:25.000 Move all of Canada and the Northeast down to the mid-Atlantic states and be done with it.
00:44:30.000 It's not bad, though, if you have warm clothes.
00:44:32.000 If you have warm clothes, you could survive up there.
00:44:34.000 It's not that bad.
00:44:35.000 Well, I mean, if you have air conditioning, people live in Phoenix.
00:44:39.000 No, but sub-zero temperatures.
00:44:41.000 Like, if it's zero outside, you can walk around.
00:44:43.000 You can go places.
00:44:44.000 Like, if it's 130 degrees outside, you can't go anywhere.
00:44:47.000 That's true.
00:44:48.000 You can not only go places when it's sub-freezing.
00:44:50.000 I have been swimming.
00:44:52.000 My sister-in-law is Finnish, and in Finland, they go in the saunas, and then they go out and swim in lakes in the middle of nowhere when it is minus 22 degrees.
00:45:02.000 I've been swimming in a lake when it's minus 22 degrees.
00:45:05.000 The whole thing is frozen over.
00:45:06.000 Oh my god, they just chip a hole in it?
00:45:08.000 Yeah, they don't need to chip it.
00:45:09.000 They have a hose, like I have water spout, so the water keeps moving so that it can't form ice.
00:45:15.000 And maybe they start by chipping it, but it's basically like a bubbling cold pool.
00:45:20.000 And you sit in the sauna, which is, you know, it's nudging 100 degrees Celsius.
00:45:25.000 I don't know what that is, 200 degrees Fahrenheit or something.
00:45:28.000 And then you come out through the air, which is minus 20 degrees.
00:45:33.000 I think it crosses...
00:45:34.000 Fahrenheit and Celsius cross over around in the low minus 20s.
00:45:37.000 And then you get in the water.
00:45:38.000 You can't put your head under because you can go into this condition where your brain essentially shuts down and goes into freeze.
00:45:45.000 But, yeah, there you go.
00:45:47.000 There's an image of people in Finland.
00:45:49.000 They love it.
00:45:50.000 So that looks like they cut a hole in the ice.
00:45:52.000 Yeah, that looks like they cut a hole in the ice, but that's not me.
00:45:54.000 If you go to my Facebook, you can probably find it back there somewhere in the deep, dark and distant past. 0.99
00:45:58.000 Damn. 0.99
00:45:59.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:46:00.000 Yeah, well, people love that.
00:46:01.000 That ice cold, ice cold, going back and forth between the two of them.
00:46:04.000 It is amazing.
00:46:05.000 Gives you a high.
00:46:06.000 It does.
00:46:07.000 Well, it actually really does.
00:46:08.000 Yeah.
00:46:09.000 It actually produces certain chemicals in your brain.
00:46:12.000 Epinephrine?
00:46:12.000 Is that what it is?
00:46:13.000 Norpinephrine.
00:46:14.000 Norpinephrine.
00:46:14.000 I'll believe you.
00:46:16.000 Dr. Rhonda Patrick was on.
00:46:18.000 She was talking about cold shock therapy, cold shock proteins, and heat shock proteins, and that there's different proteins that we produce in the sauna, and the sauna is really beneficial for hormone production, for sleep, melatonin production,
00:46:34.000 all sorts of different things.
00:46:35.000 I think it's melatonin.
00:46:36.000 Might not have been.
00:46:37.000 But all sorts of growth hormone, for sure.
00:46:39.000 That was one of them.
00:46:40.000 But things that rejuvenate the body, produced by these heat shock proteins.
00:46:44.000 I mean, just look at the Nordic people and people in, like, northern Germany.
00:46:46.000 They all swear by saunas.
00:46:49.000 I mean, the Swedes and the Norwegians and the Finns and the Danes.
00:46:52.000 I mean, it's not like these are not people who you'd want to emulate.
00:46:55.000 These are very attractive, healthy, long-living people.
00:46:58.000 Yeah, they're robust.
00:47:00.000 Yes.
00:47:00.000 They're hardy.
00:47:01.000 I think there's definitely something to it, to both sauna and cold baths.
00:47:05.000 Like, you know Wim Hof?
00:47:07.000 You know who Wim Hof is?
00:47:08.000 The Wim Hof method of breathing, and he's got, like...
00:47:11.000 Something like 26 world records.
00:47:13.000 He's been on the podcast before, too.
00:47:15.000 26 world records about dealing with climate and cold.
00:47:18.000 He summited Everest in shorts with ice sandals on.
00:47:22.000 I'm not even kidding.
00:47:23.000 No oxygen.
00:47:24.000 Didn't bring any oxygen with him. 1.00
00:47:26.000 He's a maniac. 1.00
00:47:27.000 Crazy. 1.00
00:47:28.000 But he's developed this ability to tolerate extreme temperature changes.
00:47:34.000 And he swears by it.
00:47:35.000 He thinks it's the great teacher about life and who you are and what you are and just invigorates you in some strange way.
00:47:42.000 I mean, when you meet the guy, you believe it because he's like radiating energy.
00:47:46.000 Yeah.
00:47:47.000 It's funny what people...
00:47:48.000 I mean, it's like Tim Ferriss as well, right? 0.93
00:47:50.000 Where he'll go through periods where he's taking ice baths and doing all this crazy shit and measuring the impact that it has on his physiology. 0.98
00:47:57.000 I'm just too lazy, man. 0.99
00:47:59.000 Wow.
00:47:59.000 Wow.
00:48:00.000 Sorry.
00:48:01.000 I can't talk to you anymore, dude.
00:48:02.000 I'm sorry.
00:48:03.000 Sorry.
00:48:05.000 Yeah, I understand, man.
00:48:07.000 Did you see the Philadelphia conference that I sent you about white people's guilt? 0.60
00:48:14.000 I'm guilty.
00:48:15.000 What did I do?
00:48:15.000 You are guilty.
00:48:16.000 What did I do?
00:48:16.000 I was white.
00:48:17.000 There was a white privilege conference.
00:48:19.000 Oh, that's right.
00:48:20.000 I love that article.
00:48:21.000 Explain that.
00:48:22.000 I retweeted it, I'm sure.
00:48:24.000 Yeah, yeah, you did.
00:48:25.000 I was like, why is my Twitter blowing up?
00:48:26.000 Oh, Joe retweeted me.
00:48:29.000 So there was this white privilege conference, which was a kind of politically correct talkfest, right?
00:48:35.000 And it basically ended up consuming itself entirely because the people who were attending it decided that the conference itself had become too white.
00:48:43.000 So they were all there.
00:48:46.000 So they had this hashtag, white privilege conference, so white. 0.57
00:48:50.000 WPC, so white.
00:48:52.000 And it started after one of the speakers there, who was a white historian, went over time, and an Asian-American attendee, a woman, tweeted out, great keynote, but going over time allotted is another example of white supremacy. 0.82
00:49:09.000 Hashtag white privilege conference so white.
00:49:12.000 And he also made the mistake of using the N-word in his speech.
00:49:16.000 I mean, he obviously was using it in a historical context because he was talking about race in America.
00:49:20.000 But once that happened...
00:49:21.000 I mean, what could possibly go wrong using the N-word at a conference about white guilt, right?
00:49:26.000 Then everyone starts tweeting... 0.93
00:49:27.000 N-word, never acceptable, from hashtag white folks lips, deeply offensive and traumatising, hashtag white privilege conference so white. 0.97
00:49:36.000 And that was from a white tweeter. 1.00
00:49:37.000 So then it's like a snake eating its fucking tail, right? 1.00
00:49:40.000 All these white people just accusing one another of being too white. 1.00
00:49:44.000 You're all white! 1.00
00:49:45.000 We get it. 0.97
00:49:46.000 We get it.
00:49:47.000 It's what Michael Shermer calls virtue signaling.
00:49:49.000 Right.
00:49:50.000 Yeah.
00:49:51.000 Right.
00:49:51.000 They're letting everyone know.
00:49:53.000 That's a good term for it.
00:49:53.000 It's perfect.
00:49:53.000 It's a perfect term.
00:49:54.000 They're trying to find someone who's made some sort of an error.
00:49:59.000 Yeah.
00:50:00.000 And they're attacking them with full force.
00:50:02.000 Yep.
00:50:03.000 And it's also like they're ignoring context on purpose.
00:50:07.000 Mm-hmm.
00:50:07.000 It's like by saying that the word is, it's never acceptable to say the N-word, by saying that and putting that in a tweet, That's not true.
00:50:16.000 It's just not true.
00:50:17.000 Like, if there's a reason to say it, if you're explaining something that happened, what someone said, how they said it, you are allowed to repeat the word.
00:50:27.000 The idea that you're not allowed to repeat the word around grown adults is to pretend that word is magic.
00:50:32.000 Yeah.
00:50:34.000 Well, it also empowers the word. 0.93
00:50:36.000 In fact, I feel stupid for even having used the phrase, the N-word, because ordinarily I just say nigger if I'm talking about the existence of that word. 0.99
00:50:41.000 Shut the podcast off, Jamie! 0.96
00:50:43.000 But hey, I'm Australian, so I don't understand context, right?
00:50:46.000 But, I mean, I was talking about this on my podcast about I do think that we've gotten away from, like, where is the other person's heart and what is their intention? 0.99
00:50:55.000 So, like, if you ever use that word in anger at another person, I think you're a total cunt, and you should not do that. 0.99
00:51:01.000 Or... 0.99
00:51:05.000 Sorry.
00:51:06.000 That's true.
00:51:07.000 I didn't mean that, ladies and gentlemen.
00:51:08.000 I couldn't help it.
00:51:09.000 There's a stand-up comedian in me.
00:51:10.000 But if you're just using it in conversation in order to talk about the existence of the word...
00:51:15.000 We know that, though.
00:51:16.000 Everyone knows that.
00:51:17.000 And I think it's a duh thing.
00:51:18.000 Here's the problem with a lot of these things where you attack someone's use of a word.
00:51:24.000 It's duh.
00:51:28.000 Right.
00:51:53.000 The latter.
00:51:54.000 Because another one of the tweets that happened at this conference read, a white woman telling a black woman to close the door at a workshop session.
00:52:02.000 Another example of hashtag white privilege conference so white. 0.61
00:52:05.000 You're not allowed to tell a person of color to do anything. 0.81
00:52:08.000 No.
00:52:09.000 Josh Zeps.
00:52:09.000 That's right.
00:52:10.000 Because they're gentle little flowers.
00:52:11.000 What if they just leave the water running?
00:52:14.000 What do you mean?
00:52:15.000 You're allowed to say, hey, can you shut that water off?
00:52:17.000 No, that's racist.
00:52:18.000 Oh, okay.
00:52:20.000 What if they just throw lit cigarettes on the ground outside?
00:52:24.000 Are you allowed to correct them?
00:52:26.000 No, that's racist.
00:52:27.000 Racist?
00:52:28.000 Okay.
00:52:29.000 What if...
00:52:31.000 Let's just spend the whole rest of the podcast going through hypothetical anecdotes about what would be racist and what would not.
00:52:36.000 It is very strange that there is a word that certain people are allowed to use.
00:52:42.000 Like that black people can use it and they can even use it as a form of empowerment.
00:52:46.000 But I think that's okay, isn't it? 0.96
00:52:47.000 Do you think that's hypocritical? 0.98
00:52:49.000 I reckon if your people and your ancestors have been fucked over completely for 400 years, then it's a little bit rich when the people who belong to the ethnicity that's been fucking you over don't let you reclaim... 1.00
00:53:01.000 The word that was previously oppressive. 0.99
00:53:03.000 Oh, 100%.
00:53:04.000 Not only that, in practice, it seems correct when it's being done.
00:53:09.000 Yeah.
00:53:10.000 Like, if a white person uses the word, and they use it freely, like me, even me just using it in that joke, just joking around.
00:53:15.000 It's like, what have you done?
00:53:18.000 You know it's a joke, and it still impacts in some sort of a very bizarre way.
00:53:23.000 But if a rapper is using it, it seems like someone's saying, you know, Like, you know, you know what I'm saying, man.
00:53:31.000 I mean, it's become that, but it was subversive when black people started saying it. 0.50
00:53:36.000 Right, but my point being, a white person saying the exact same things is horrific and shocking. 0.94
00:53:41.000 Like that Stitches guy.
00:53:43.000 That Stitches guy likes that word. 0.92
00:53:44.000 He throws the word around all the time.
00:53:46.000 I'll bet he does.
00:53:47.000 Doesn't surprise me at all.
00:53:47.000 Brr.
00:53:48.000 Yeah.
00:53:48.000 No, that's not him.
00:53:49.000 That's not him?
00:53:50.000 Oh, Stitch is the one with the Joker.
00:53:51.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.57
00:53:52.000 You gotta get your white people straight. 0.94
00:53:53.000 That other guy, the Burr's the black guy.
00:53:55.000 That's Gucci Mane.
00:53:56.000 He uses it, too.
00:53:57.000 See, I'm so not racist.
00:53:58.000 I just mistook a white person for a black person.
00:54:00.000 You're amazing.
00:54:00.000 I don't even see color, Joe Rogan.
00:54:01.000 You should run for president. 1.00
00:54:02.000 Too bad you were born in some other shithole. 1.00
00:54:04.000 I know. 1.00
00:54:04.000 If you were born here, you could have a fucking real good run at it. 1.00
00:54:07.000 Ugh. 1.00
00:54:07.000 I'm just not good enough. 1.00
00:54:09.000 I can't do what Trump does.
00:54:11.000 I look at that admiringly. 0.99
00:54:13.000 I'm like, how does he have the balls, the audacity? 0.99
00:54:17.000 But you wouldn't do it that way. 0.99
00:54:18.000 No.
00:54:19.000 One of the things that I think is fascinating about Trump and really problematic is that human beings love to be united in tribes.
00:54:26.000 And not necessarily always good tribes.
00:54:28.000 We love to be united in tribes. 0.98
00:54:31.000 And whether it's tribes of people who use Mac over Windows, whether it's tribes of Android users, whether it's tribes of people from Wisconsin versus tribes from people from Texas, we love to be in a fucking collective group of people. 0.91
00:54:45.000 Even if it's not a good group, even if it's not good ideas. 0.95
00:54:48.000 And one of the things that I... Get disturbed about this Trump thing is how many annoying Goofy white dudes are really into him There's an anti-intellectual aspect, like a shut-down debate aspect about this.
00:55:06.000 Yeah, I think there's a lot of that. 0.93
00:55:08.000 Yeah, I'm being sarcastic, because of course there's an anti-intellectual strain to Trump's support.
00:55:12.000 Not all of it, though.
00:55:13.000 There's intelligent people that support him, too.
00:55:15.000 Totally, but they're not supporting him because his ideas are intelligent.
00:55:19.000 They're supporting him in spite of the fact that they're intelligent, because there's something about his vibe that appeals.
00:55:23.000 I feel like there's a bunch of people supporting him because he's winning and they want to see him win and they want to get in on some of that winning. 0.98
00:55:31.000 There's a bunch of dumb white dudes that are hopping aboard that that are just letting you know he's winning, he's winning, Trump's winning. 0.98
00:55:39.000 I think it's partly that. 0.99
00:55:40.000 I think it's partly exhaustion with the political correctness that we've just been talking about and the fact that they feel like they can't say anything about I think?
00:56:08.000 And I was trying to explain it by reference to the fact that even in Australia, people don't feel like politicians are speaking their language like actual human beings.
00:56:18.000 Take, for example, gay marriage in Australia.
00:56:20.000 Australia still doesn't have gay marriage.
00:56:23.000 You should be psyched about that.
00:56:24.000 You don't have to give away half your money.
00:56:27.000 Sorry, honey.
00:56:28.000 Can't do it.
00:56:29.000 I'd love to marry you. 1.00
00:56:31.000 Shit ain't happening. 1.00
00:56:32.000 I'd be fucking pumped. 0.99
00:56:33.000 Tax laws are different, though. 0.98
00:56:34.000 It's actually better to be married in Australia than it is not to be married.
00:56:36.000 It's not like here where they screw you.
00:56:38.000 How's that?
00:56:38.000 I don't understand at all.
00:56:39.000 But wait a minute. 1.00
00:56:39.000 Someone's going to take half your shit. 1.00
00:56:40.000 No, it's not. 1.00
00:56:41.000 Oh, if you get divorced, they're going to take half your shit. 1.00
00:56:43.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:56:43.000 No, that's what I'm saying. 1.00
00:56:45.000 Listen, you better off. 1.00
00:56:46.000 Fuck taxes. 1.00
00:56:48.000 Don't worry about that. 1.00
00:56:49.000 So, Australia is one of the most pro-gay marriage places in the world when you actually poll people.
00:56:55.000 70 or 80% of the population wants gay marriage.
00:56:58.000 It's one of the least religious countries in the world when you poll people.
00:57:01.000 More than 60% of the population don't believe in God or go to church regularly.
00:57:05.000 The last Prime Minister, well the Prime Minister before last, was an unmarried atheist woman. 0.54
00:57:10.000 So it's not like this is a place where you would expect people to be opposed to gay marriage.
00:57:14.000 I bet what's going on, I bet I get it. 0.65
00:57:16.000 I bet gay dudes are secretly going and voting against gay marriage so they don't have to get married. 1.00
00:57:21.000 That's it. 0.98
00:57:21.000 I think that's what it is. 0.98
00:57:22.000 You nailed it.
00:57:23.000 I think it's like these pot dealers up in Northern California that secretly voted against marijuana legalization because they wanted to keep it illegal so they could make more money and they wouldn't have to turn in the taxes for them.
00:57:32.000 Oh, that's shrewd.
00:57:33.000 It's dirty. 0.86
00:57:34.000 It's dirty and it's prevalent.
00:57:36.000 I talked to some growers that were telling me they were going to vote against it. 0.98
00:57:40.000 They were going to vote against legalization because legalization would have fucked them over economically. 0.63
00:57:44.000 Well, sure. 0.96
00:57:44.000 I know I'm being selfish, but hey, man, that's how we do it up here. 0.96
00:57:47.000 Yeah.
00:57:47.000 I mean, do you think the Mexican drug cartels want an end to the war on drugs?
00:57:51.000 Hell no.
00:57:52.000 Of course not.
00:57:52.000 Why would you?
00:57:53.000 Yeah, why would you?
00:57:54.000 But, I mean, my point is simply that the Prime Minister of Australia currently favours gay marriage.
00:58:00.000 There's a majority in Parliament for it, and instead, because he had to do some shady backroom deal to get into power with his fellow party hacks...
00:58:10.000 They're not doing it.
00:58:11.000 Now there's going to be like a plebiscite, which is like a non-binding referendum about it or something. 0.98
00:58:15.000 And my only point was, it's so obvious that politicians are so full of shit and that they're beholden to people other than the people who elected them, that whether you're listening to Ted Cruz or Hillary Clinton, people just have a sense that they're being fed... 0.98
00:58:30.000 Did you hear Hillary talking about, after Trump accused her of playing the woman's card, she goes, you know, If it's playing the woman's card to believe in equal pay, then deal me in! 1.00
00:58:43.000 I'm like, nobody speaks like that.
00:58:45.000 Why are you speaking like that?
00:58:46.000 Why do you sound like that?
00:58:49.000 So I can imagine people going... 0.97
00:58:51.000 That's so gross.
00:58:54.000 Hearing that is so gross.
00:58:55.000 First of all, she was a person who said that marriage should be between a man and a woman until 2013. Okay, 2013, she was still saying that.
00:59:04.000 That is just retarded. 1.00
00:59:06.000 Isn't it convenient how her views on everything just happen to evolve at exactly the same point so that when 51% of the American population comes around to them, she has an awakening?
00:59:15.000 It's just so mysterious, that.
00:59:17.000 I just don't understand.
00:59:20.000 Clue me in this.
00:59:21.000 Who is trying to keep gay marriage illegal in Australia?
00:59:26.000 Because if there's all those people, you would think that if the majority of the people wanted it, if the Prime Minister wanted it, if all these people wanted it, who's working and what benefit is there of keeping it illegal?
00:59:38.000 So think about...
00:59:39.000 I think everyone knows it's going to happen.
00:59:40.000 It's just a matter of trying to postpone it.
00:59:42.000 But what's basically happened is that there is a rift within the Conservative Party between conservative conservatives and progressive and socially liberal conservatives.
00:59:51.000 So think about the Republican Party here, where you've got Christian evangelicals as a component of it, but you've also got the Rand Paul...
01:00:00.000 We're good to go.
01:00:28.000 So it's a minority of a minority of culturally conservative conservatives who represent rural districts with a bunch of farmers in them.
01:00:36.000 Ah, the farmers. 1.00
01:00:38.000 It's always the goddamn farmers. 1.00
01:00:39.000 I had a joke in one of my old specials. 1.00
01:00:42.000 There's only two types of people that care about gay marriage. 1.00
01:00:45.000 People who are really dumb or people that are secretly worried that dicks are delicious. 1.00
01:00:50.000 Ha ha [... 1.00
01:00:57.000 That's right. 1.00
01:00:57.000 It's just fucking farmers. 1.00
01:00:58.000 Someone's got to get them to suck a dick. 1.00
01:01:00.000 Exactly. 1.00
01:01:01.000 And they can realize, what's all the hoopla all about?
01:01:03.000 What about... 1.00
01:01:05.000 Just go ahead and suck it. 1.00
01:01:06.000 You probably won't even like it. 1.00
01:01:08.000 And then you'd be like, ah, marry a guy. 1.00
01:01:10.000 I don't give a fuck. 1.00
01:01:11.000 What about the guy who was sucking all those horse dicks? 1.00
01:01:13.000 Oh, Enumclaw? 1.00
01:01:15.000 Is that who he was?
01:01:16.000 Yeah, outside of Seattle. 0.98
01:01:18.000 He was dressed up in, like, leather, and he'd go out on the farm in the middle of the night, and he'd, like, give horses blowjobs? 0.93
01:01:23.000 Oh, you're talking about the guy who got arrested several times. 0.96
01:01:26.000 I'm talking about the guy who died. 0.99
01:01:28.000 He died from getting fucked by a horse? 1.00
01:01:30.000 Yeah. 0.99
01:01:30.000 His name was, they used to call him Mr. Hands. 0.99
01:01:33.000 I love that you know his name.
01:01:34.000 Yeah.
01:01:35.000 There was a documentary called Zoo, and it was all about zoophilia, which is a real sexual attraction that people have to farm animals.
01:01:45.000 Always white people, by the way. 0.99
01:01:46.000 Hollow white people. 0.99
01:01:48.000 Actually, I think the guy who got arrested was black. 0.99
01:01:50.000 Really? 0.57
01:01:50.000 Yep. 0.57
01:01:51.000 He wasn't just covered in leather?
01:01:52.000 No.
01:01:53.000 He was black leather, bro.
01:01:55.000 He's from Australia.
01:01:58.000 It's also kind of adding insult to injury for the animal that you're actually wearing leather. 1.00
01:02:02.000 I'm wearing your skin at the same time as I fuck you. 1.00
01:02:05.000 He's not wearing horse hair, though. 1.00
01:02:07.000 No, maybe not.
01:02:07.000 Yeah, it's different.
01:02:08.000 It's a different species.
01:02:09.000 But this guy who lived in Enumclaw, they had found each other online on a forum.
01:02:16.000 Him and the horse?
01:02:16.000 Him and all these people.
01:02:17.000 They developed this relationship online with these people that were really into horses and getting fucked by farm animals. 0.91
01:02:26.000 And so they invested in this property, and they got this farm, and they had these horses. 0.99
01:02:31.000 There was over 100 hours of footage of these people getting fucked by animals. 0.91
01:02:36.000 And one guy- They tape it? 0.99
01:02:38.000 Mm-hmm.
01:02:38.000 Oh, there's a video of it.
01:02:39.000 You can watch it.
01:02:40.000 You want to see?
01:02:40.000 Absolutely.
01:02:43.000 What else am I doing this afternoon, Jack?
01:02:45.000 The way, folks who are listening only, I urge you to go to YouTube just to watch the subtle twist of his head.
01:02:54.000 Absolutely.
01:02:55.000 Mate, I've got a week in Los Angeles.
01:02:56.000 I've got a lot of time on my hands between meetings.
01:02:59.000 Do you want to win the lottery?
01:03:00.000 Absolutely.
01:03:02.000 Man in famous Enumclaw horse sex faces new charges in Tennessee.
01:03:07.000 Oh, it's a different guy.
01:03:09.000 What year is this?
01:03:10.000 2009. It's after that guy was dead.
01:03:13.000 It says, okay, here it is.
01:03:14.000 A former Washington state man who was convicted of trespassing at an Enumclaw farm where a man was fatally injured while having sex with a horse in 2005, right, is accused of having sex with animals on a Tennessee farm.
01:03:27.000 So one of the same people that was in that group Well, yeah, what did they think he was going to do?
01:03:31.000 Grow out of it?
01:03:32.000 Of course, I mean, the way you're hardwired is the way you're hardwired.
01:03:34.000 It's like...
01:03:34.000 I don't know about all that.
01:03:35.000 I would think that once my friend got fucked to death, I might want to reconsider it. 0.98
01:03:39.000 Well, yeah, you would think that's sensible. 1.00
01:03:41.000 But it's like, I mean, I think it's like being gay or something. 1.00
01:03:43.000 I always get in trouble because when we talk about pedophilia and stuff like that, I sort of make the same analogy, which is I have...
01:03:49.000 I mean, whilst it's the worst conceivable thing that I can imagine anyone doing morally, I have some sympathy for people who are hardwired in such a way that they get a hard-on from infants or animals or something.
01:03:59.000 Right?
01:03:59.000 I mean, the reason I'm not a pedophile is not because I'm morally superior, it's because I've never been attracted to anyone who's not post-pubescent.
01:04:06.000 Most likely you're right.
01:04:08.000 Most likely you're right.
01:04:10.000 The real problem becomes in trying to decipher what is causing some person to have these feelings.
01:04:18.000 Like, is it an instance of them being molested themselves when they were younger, which is very, very, very common?
01:04:24.000 Maybe.
01:04:24.000 It's disproportionately, yeah.
01:04:24.000 Is it...
01:04:26.000 Just an error in the way the brain works.
01:04:29.000 We used to think gayness was that. 0.97
01:04:31.000 Some people have epilepsy.
01:04:32.000 Yeah, but this is very different.
01:04:33.000 This is like clear victimization.
01:04:34.000 Gayness is two people choosing to be attracted to the same sex, or being attracted to the same sex and choosing to be with each other, rather. 0.72
01:04:40.000 Yeah.
01:04:42.000 I'm just talking about what you're attracted to, right?
01:04:45.000 If you separate the actual act, obviously it's very, very different, because you're abusing someone who isn't old enough to be able to consent.
01:04:54.000 But the act of feeling like you're attracted erotically to a baby...
01:05:01.000 Right?
01:05:02.000 Regardless of whether you ever act on it, that is something that subjectively must just be a horrible prison.
01:05:07.000 I mean, imagine if you could never get your rocks off without torturing another person.
01:05:12.000 Yeah.
01:05:13.000 Wouldn't be a pretty place to be.
01:05:14.000 It would be horrific.
01:05:15.000 I just wonder.
01:05:16.000 You know, I would like to agree with you, but...
01:05:20.000 When I think about it, I wonder, what is the actual process that leads someone...
01:05:25.000 I mean, what is going on in their mind?
01:05:28.000 I can't grasp it.
01:05:29.000 I can't understand it.
01:05:30.000 No, me neither.
01:05:31.000 It's got to be multifactorial, right? 1.00
01:05:33.000 It's got to be a bunch of shit. 1.00
01:05:34.000 It's probably childhood abuse. 1.00
01:05:36.000 It's probably a combination of...
01:05:37.000 Who knows?
01:05:37.000 But that doesn't change the fact that they're presumably not capable of changing it.
01:05:42.000 I don't know if that's the case, but it seems to be true. 0.55
01:05:45.000 The recidivism rate amongst people who molest children is insanely high.
01:05:48.000 Absolutely.
01:05:49.000 We should give them the option of chemical castration as an alternative to jail, and then just have them with no libidos. 1.00
01:05:55.000 The problem becomes whether or not it's actually sexual or whether it's psychological, and if it's uniform.
01:06:03.000 Like, some people might be sexually attracted to children in some way that you could cure with chemical castration, whereas some of them might be psychologically attracted to the dominance and to, like, it's what they say about rape, right?
01:06:15.000 That rape isn't really about sex in a lot of the cases.
01:06:18.000 Obviously, in some cases, it's about sex.
01:06:20.000 But in some cases, it's not.
01:06:22.000 It's about power and dominance.
01:06:23.000 And how many people, it's not a sexual thing. 0.96
01:06:26.000 What if they wound up, because they couldn't get it up, they wound up just doing things to kids in a fucked up way because they wanted to control them and dominate them. 1.00
01:06:35.000 Well, then they're just being dicks. 0.99
01:06:36.000 But, I mean, it might be the origin of it all. 0.98
01:06:39.000 I mean, there might be a bunch of different versions of this.
01:06:43.000 Yes, absolutely.
01:06:43.000 For them, that might be the origin of it all.
01:06:45.000 They might be just they want to torture people.
01:06:47.000 Yep. 0.99
01:06:47.000 I mean, there's sociopaths out there, there's psychopaths. 0.99
01:06:49.000 There's people that are just fucked. 1.00
01:06:51.000 Their brain is fucked. 1.00
01:06:53.000 When you hear about a serial killer, I mean, is there a chemical castration for a serial killer to stop them from injecting? 1.00
01:06:58.000 No, but I've spoken to experts about pedophilia who say, like, what you want to do, we're making a mistake at the moment by demonizing the condition rather than demonizing the act, right?
01:07:10.000 So what you want to do is set up a scenario in which it's possible for a 15-year-old kid...
01:07:15.000 Who realizes that he's attracted to infants to go to a psychiatrist and get help and talk about his options without feeling like he is a total monster just because he's having those feelings.
01:07:27.000 It's hard for us to think that way because if he acted on those feelings, he would be a monster.
01:07:32.000 But you want him to be able to avail himself of whatever kind of medical treatment is possible.
01:07:38.000 Available rather than just going out and hiding in the shadows and committing monstrous acts.
01:07:43.000 I don't know how to get around that.
01:07:44.000 I don't think anybody does.
01:07:47.000 It's one of the reasons why this is such a compelling subject.
01:07:50.000 It's because it's one of the most horrific things.
01:07:52.000 There's some horrific...
01:07:56.000 Undeniably horrific things that people are capable of doing.
01:07:59.000 Murder is one of them.
01:08:00.000 Rape is one of them. 0.99
01:08:01.000 Torture.
01:08:02.000 This is right up there, I think.
01:08:03.000 It's right up there. 1.00
01:08:04.000 It's right up there with torture and ISIS and beheadings and shit. 1.00
01:08:06.000 There was a guy on a talk show once that was talking about he's compelled to have sex with children. 1.00
01:08:12.000 He's been sexually attracted to children all of his life, but he fights it off and he doesn't do anything about it.
01:08:16.000 He wanted people to understand it.
01:08:18.000 And he was talking about it openly.
01:08:19.000 And I was like, first of all, How brave is this guy that he's willing to go on television and do these interviews and talk about his compulsion?
01:08:26.000 Even though he said he's innocent of the actual act itself, he has his compulsion.
01:08:31.000 And I think the spectrum of different ways that the mind functions is so complex and so confusing as to what's the origin of these Behavior patterns.
01:08:43.000 Is it because of abuse?
01:08:45.000 Is it because of a malfunction?
01:08:46.000 Is there a tumor? 1.00
01:08:48.000 What the fuck is going on in someone's brain that leads them down these paths? 0.99
01:08:53.000 And I don't think that's been answered. 0.99
01:08:55.000 No. 1.00
01:08:56.000 I mean, take it back to bestiality and giving a horse a blowjob. 1.00
01:09:01.000 Right. 0.99
01:09:01.000 Is there anything necessarily unethical about giving a horse a blowjob? 0.99
01:09:06.000 If the horse is pushing back, I say no. 0.99
01:09:09.000 Yeah, exactly. 0.79
01:09:11.000 Yeah, if you offer up your butt to a horse and he's just digging in there... 0.76
01:09:15.000 Jamie just shook his head. 1.00
01:09:19.000 I'm telling you, though, what is actually morally wrong with fucking a horse if the horse is into it? 1.00
01:09:24.000 Well, the horse fucks you, first of all. 1.00
01:09:26.000 Yeah, okay. 0.99
01:09:27.000 The horse is a top. 0.99
01:09:31.000 The video of the guy getting fucked to death by the horse, though, is horrific. 0.99
01:09:34.000 Of course. 0.99
01:09:36.000 It's available.
01:09:36.000 How was he not able to get out of the situation?
01:09:38.000 The horse had a pin.
01:09:40.000 The video starts off.
01:09:41.000 A buddy of mine sent this to me.
01:09:42.000 I can't believe you watched it, Joe.
01:09:44.000 I watched it a hundred times, bro.
01:09:46.000 It's on my computer right now.
01:09:47.000 It's the screensaver.
01:09:48.000 It's in there.
01:09:49.000 I just copy it.
01:09:51.000 I put it on little flash drives, leave it around my house, just in case somebody decides to delete it off the internet.
01:09:56.000 The video starts out, and the guy is naked, and he's bent over Bela Hay. 0.99
01:10:01.000 And then his friend, I use the word air quotes, grabs the horse's penis and leads it up to his butt, and you're like, there is no fucking way. 0.99
01:10:09.000 How? 1.00
01:10:10.000 How does that even happen?
01:10:12.000 Like, what kind of...
01:10:14.000 What?
01:10:14.000 No, I don't want to see it.
01:10:15.000 He's opening his laptop, ladies and gentlemen.
01:10:18.000 Here we go.
01:10:19.000 Don't be scared, homie. 1.00
01:10:20.000 Dot com.
01:10:21.000 What do you mean, how? 0.99
01:10:22.000 I mean, the guy's just got a giant butt. 0.99
01:10:23.000 It's really that simple. 0.99
01:10:24.000 Yeah, well, no.
01:10:25.000 I mean, I know that you've got to lube up a little bit beforehand.
01:10:28.000 You've got to make sure that you're available. 1.00
01:10:29.000 If you're a pussy. 1.00
01:10:32.000 But I can't. 1.00
01:10:33.000 That's a lot of fingers you've got to put in before the horse can go.
01:10:36.000 Yeah, there's a lot going on there.
01:10:37.000 It's not that simple. 0.99
01:10:40.000 Again, it's one of those things, like, what the fuck is it about a person's mind that allows that in there? 0.99
01:10:48.000 Yeah. 0.99
01:10:48.000 And how do you get from, I think this would be an amazing thing to try, to actually being there in the barn, like, straddled over the bale of hay? 0.99
01:10:57.000 I don't know how you...
01:10:58.000 I'd be too bashful, even if I wanted to do it.
01:11:01.000 Aw, that's adorable.
01:11:02.000 I wouldn't have the guts!
01:11:06.000 I think...
01:11:06.000 I mean, obviously I'm just thinking.
01:11:09.000 What the fuck do I know? 0.98
01:11:11.000 Don't pretend you don't have a horsebacker. 0.99
01:11:13.000 I think there's just...
01:11:15.000 Look, there's a reason why some people love jazz music.
01:11:18.000 And there's some people that love basketball.
01:11:21.000 And some people like sailing.
01:11:23.000 Some people hate the water.
01:11:24.000 And some people want to sunbathe all day.
01:11:27.000 And some people want to only go out at night. 0.99
01:11:28.000 Fucking people vary a lot. 0.99
01:11:30.000 And in this gigantic, broad... 0.99
01:11:39.000 Yeah, I totally take that.
01:11:42.000 But what I mean is I'm amazed at the people who can translate their latent mental desires into actual real-world experiences, whether that's climbing Mount Everest.
01:11:52.000 I mean, there's all kinds of things I'd like to do.
01:11:55.000 Joe's eyes are just getting real wide as he looks at something on his laptop.
01:11:57.000 I'm trying to find Mr. Hands.
01:11:59.000 I found it, Mr. Hands.
01:12:00.000 I'd like to go scuba diving with sharks.
01:12:02.000 I'd like to go scuba diving under Antarctic ice. 1.00
01:12:06.000 But I haven't done it because I'm too much of a pussy. 1.00
01:12:08.000 And I'm too much of a pussy to get raped by a horse. 1.00
01:12:11.000 That's what I'm saying, dude. 1.00
01:12:13.000 It's not my thing.
01:12:14.000 I don't get it.
01:12:16.000 In the meantime, I'm going to plug my podcast, which people should go and check out.
01:12:20.000 We the People Live.
01:12:21.000 We the People is all one word.
01:12:23.000 And you can find it on...
01:12:24.000 We basically get three interesting people in a bar, and we all talk about what's going on in the world.
01:12:30.000 Jim Norton, Artie Lang.
01:12:32.000 Beautiful.
01:12:32.000 Folks like that.
01:12:33.000 It's great.
01:12:34.000 Well, New York's a good spot to do that.
01:12:35.000 A lot of opinionated people.
01:12:36.000 Yeah, it's fantastic.
01:12:37.000 We did one here as well with Greg Fitzsimmons and Fred Stoller and Zach Kreger.
01:12:42.000 Funny people.
01:12:42.000 And Joe was on it as well.
01:12:44.000 If you want to check out episode 30, episode 30, Joe Rogan.
01:12:47.000 What bar is that?
01:12:49.000 That particular one is Pine Box Rock Shop.
01:12:52.000 Which is where we used to do it. 0.99
01:12:53.000 What a cool fucking place that is. 0.99
01:12:54.000 Yeah, it was great. 0.99
01:12:55.000 That place looks awesome.
01:12:56.000 And now we do it in Williamsburg.
01:12:58.000 Oh, of course you do.
01:12:59.000 How dare you?
01:13:00.000 Do you have to wear a tie?
01:13:01.000 We used to be in Bushwick.
01:13:02.000 Do you have to roll up the cuffs of your pants?
01:13:04.000 It wouldn't be a tie.
01:13:05.000 It'd be like a bow tie.
01:13:06.000 Yes.
01:13:07.000 Like done Sinatra style, untucked.
01:13:09.000 Exactly.
01:13:10.000 Around my neck.
01:13:11.000 Have you found the video? 1.00
01:13:12.000 I want to see some horse fucking. 1.00
01:13:13.000 Here it is. 1.00
01:13:14.000 I don't.
01:13:14.000 Do I want to see this?
01:13:15.000 Am I going to be able to undo this?
01:13:16.000 Am I going to be able to unsee this?
01:13:18.000 Well, make sure that he doesn't get shown on screen, Jamie.
01:13:21.000 Starring Mr. Hands.
01:13:22.000 So here's the gentleman.
01:13:24.000 Okay, there's the horse.
01:13:24.000 Oh, God, it's all dark.
01:13:25.000 It looks like a night vision type thing.
01:13:28.000 So the guy's lifting the horse's legs up.
01:13:30.000 Oh, my God, the horse's front legs are on his shoulders.
01:13:33.000 No, no, no, the horse's front legs are on the hay.
01:13:35.000 Oh, I see. 1.00
01:13:36.000 And then this is the horse's dick, and it's in the dude's butt. 1.00
01:13:38.000 Unbelievable. 1.00
01:13:38.000 And hay! 1.00
01:13:39.000 Hala, look at this.
01:13:40.000 No, I don't want to be seeing this.
01:13:42.000 How dare he?
01:13:43.000 It's so huge.
01:13:45.000 And the guy's having a hard time getting it in at first, right?
01:13:47.000 What did he think?
01:13:48.000 How about that?
01:13:49.000 And it goes all the way in.
01:13:49.000 Is that when it just split his intestine apart?
01:13:51.000 Come on, son.
01:13:52.000 Yeah, he died.
01:13:53.000 Listen to the sounds.
01:13:55.000 Do you hear the sound?
01:13:56.000 Yes. 0.99
01:13:57.000 And now the dick comes out and it's got liquid all over it. 1.00
01:14:00.000 He came. 1.00
01:14:00.000 The horse came. 1.00
01:14:01.000 Oh, is that what it was?
01:14:02.000 Yeah.
01:14:03.000 Can't look anymore.
01:14:06.000 I wonder if I can go to jail for having that.
01:14:12.000 It's totally illegal, that video.
01:14:14.000 I'm feeling a little violated right now.
01:14:16.000 We should.
01:14:16.000 A guy died that way.
01:14:18.000 I just saw a man die. 1.00
01:14:19.000 Yeah, from a dick. 0.99
01:14:20.000 80 minutes ago, I pulled into the car park here on a beautiful Californian day. 1.00
01:14:27.000 And if you'd told me then that in 80 minutes time, I would have just watched a man die from being anally raped by a horse...
01:14:35.000 How about the sound he makes? 0.93
01:14:36.000 I wouldn't have believed you.
01:14:37.000 Want to hear the sound again?
01:14:38.000 No, I don't want to hear the sound again, Joe!
01:14:40.000 But there's a sound.
01:14:40.000 It's supposed to be a pleasant conversation.
01:14:41.000 It is pleasant.
01:14:42.000 What about, uh...
01:14:43.000 Nothing happened to us.
01:14:44.000 We should be happy.
01:14:45.000 We should be happy we figured out a way to not have this happen to us.
01:14:48.000 Yeah, it's pretty easy to not have that happen to you.
01:14:50.000 There are so many things that have to happen in order for that to happen.
01:14:53.000 Hold on a second.
01:14:54.000 Okay.
01:15:01.000 Hear that? 1.00
01:15:02.000 That's the moment at which a horse's penis goes through his intestine and into his head. 0.99
01:15:09.000 That's called, that's a wrap. 0.99
01:15:12.000 That's a wrap for this life, folks.
01:15:14.000 Take care.
01:15:15.000 We'll see you in the next dimension. 1.00
01:15:16.000 What a ridiculous fucking way to die. 0.99
01:15:18.000 I mean, talk about the Darwin Awards. 1.00
01:15:19.000 There's one who, no loss.
01:15:22.000 Maybe it was awesome.
01:15:22.000 Maybe it's better than being in a nursing home and having some guy kick you.
01:15:27.000 Isn't there anything in between that?
01:15:28.000 Are those my only two options? 1.00
01:15:30.000 I either get to be in a nursing home and have somebody kick me, or I get to get anally raped to death by a horse. 1.00
01:15:34.000 That's it, ladies and gents. 0.99
01:15:35.000 Yeah, there's other options, but I mean, listen, my point of view is that this guy, in getting fucked to death by a horse, created this video, and this video has provided me with hundreds of hours of entertainment that I would have never gotten without this guy dying. 0.96
01:15:49.000 Hundreds of hours? 0.92
01:15:50.000 The video's only one minute long.
01:15:51.000 If you've watched it several hundred times...
01:15:53.000 I've watched it so many times.
01:15:55.000 I'm exaggerating, obviously.
01:15:56.000 But think about all the people throughout the world who will now Google Mr. Hands.
01:16:01.000 Find that video.
01:16:01.000 I'm sure it's up there somewhere.
01:16:03.000 Laugh their fucking ass off. 1.00
01:16:04.000 That guy probably gave all those people a burst of happiness through his death. 1.00
01:16:09.000 You think about what you've done in life and having those experiences and showing them to other people, what impact it has on them.
01:16:17.000 How many people have watched people do those... 0.95
01:16:20.000 Those bird suits, the squirrel suits where they jump off buildings and shit and they fly around. 0.97
01:16:24.000 And you watch them, you get a thrill out of it. 0.98
01:16:26.000 Like, whoa!
01:16:26.000 You watch those videos, you get a thrill out of that, right?
01:16:28.000 You watch a guy bungee jumping, you get a thrill.
01:16:31.000 You watch this, and millions of people, I'm sure...
01:16:34.000 Does that make you happy the same way that the Birdman videos make you happy?
01:16:39.000 Yes.
01:16:40.000 There's a difference. 0.99
01:16:41.000 Here a dude dies getting anally raped by a horse, Joe! 0.76
01:16:44.000 But those bird guys die all the time.
01:16:45.000 Yeah, I wouldn't want to see one where they die, though. 1.00
01:16:47.000 Those guys hit trees and shit. 1.00
01:16:48.000 Splatter. 1.00
01:16:48.000 How about these motherfuckers? 1.00
01:16:50.000 See, that's what I'm talking about. 1.00
01:16:51.000 This is a hopper board on the edge, right on the edge of the top of a skyscraper.
01:16:55.000 These guys are spinning around.
01:16:58.000 First of all, you're counting on these Chinese lithium ion batteries that were put together by slaves. 0.92
01:17:03.000 Who knows if they're going to burst into flames.
01:17:05.000 This guy's doing handstands! 1.00
01:17:06.000 He's doing fucking handstands on top of a skyscraper! 1.00
01:17:09.000 That's so fucking cool. 1.00
01:17:09.000 What is that, Dubai? 1.00
01:17:10.000 Jesus, where is he?
01:17:12.000 It looks like Dubai.
01:17:13.000 I can't watch this.
01:17:13.000 I can't watch this.
01:17:14.000 No, here, perfect example.
01:17:15.000 If you saw that, like, that gives you a thrill.
01:17:18.000 But if one of those guys did that and then went flying off the building...
01:17:21.000 Yeah, then I wouldn't like that.
01:17:22.000 What if Mr. Hands, that was a video where he lived?
01:17:25.000 Because he got fucked to death a gang at times before he got fucked to death. 1.00
01:17:28.000 I'd be happier. 1.00
01:17:30.000 I'd be happier if he lived.
01:17:32.000 But then I also wouldn't be happy about that.
01:17:35.000 I'm not enjoying the entire Mr. Hands experience, Joe Rogan.
01:17:39.000 But what if you met him and then he was annoying? 1.00
01:17:41.000 You'd be like, I wish that guy got fucked to death. 1.00
01:17:42.000 He probably would be annoying. 1.00
01:17:44.000 Did you hear that Oklahoma has had to change their...
01:17:48.000 I was just looking this up when we were talking about pedophilia, that there was a rape case in...
01:17:55.000 This is not something to laugh about, but it is interesting about how we define rape, where a 17-year-old kid, this was last month, and a 16-year-old, he made her...
01:18:08.000 She was really drunk.
01:18:09.000 They'd been drinking in a park with some friends.
01:18:11.000 He gave her a ride home.
01:18:13.000 She woke up, I think in the middle of the night, completely deliriously drunk, and her mother or grandmother took her to the hospital because she was so drunk.
01:18:20.000 She woke up in hospital.
01:18:22.000 First thing she kind of really remembered was the doctors asking her what kind of sexual activity had happened because they'd found some of the 17-year-old's DNA around her mouth and on her legs.
01:18:35.000 She said...
01:18:37.000 I've got no recollection. 0.99
01:18:38.000 They went to the guy and he said, yes, she wanted to give me a blowjob. 1.00
01:18:42.000 And she gave me a blowjob when she was blackout drunk. 1.00
01:18:45.000 So she charges him for rape, and the Oklahoma court found that it wasn't forcible rape. 0.96
01:18:50.000 So now they're having to change Oklahoma's laws, because the only thing that it would have been...
01:18:54.000 Like, it basically has to be forcible.
01:18:57.000 It's called forcible sodomy, right?
01:18:59.000 And the judge was saying if a victim is so intoxicated that they're completely unconscious, then it's not actually forcible, because they weren't forced to do it.
01:19:08.000 They didn't even know that they were or weren't doing it.
01:19:13.000 Jesus.
01:19:13.000 Well, how do you define that, then?
01:19:14.000 Well, exactly.
01:19:15.000 I don't know. 1.00
01:19:16.000 But, I mean, clearly, you should not be going around putting your dick in unconscious 16-year-old's mouths. 1.00
01:19:20.000 Clearly. 1.00
01:19:21.000 But at the same time... 0.94
01:19:23.000 I can sort of understand that maybe it's not the same level of horribleness as, like, just flat out just raping somebody. 0.98
01:19:33.000 There's also the problem with the girl possibly consenting at the time, just being so fucked up she doesn't remember consenting. 0.98
01:19:39.000 Well, that's right. 0.98
01:19:39.000 How do you know? 0.98
01:19:40.000 Especially since she's 16 and it's one of her first ever sexual experiences, her first ever drunk sexual experiences, we should assume.
01:19:47.000 Yes.
01:19:47.000 So it is entirely possible that this boy, who was only a few months older than her, didn't have the wherewithal to understand that she was compromised to the point where she couldn't consent.
01:19:56.000 So they're both drunk.
01:19:59.000 That gets real weird.
01:20:01.000 It gets real weird.
01:20:02.000 And we don't know exactly what words were exchanged, what actually did happen, what the history of these two together was like.
01:20:09.000 We don't know.
01:20:10.000 I mean, if I had a son, I would have to say now, just never, ever have any sexual relations with anybody who's drunk.
01:20:17.000 That's a problem, though. 1.00
01:20:18.000 Because some girls like getting fucked when they're drunk. 1.00
01:20:20.000 Some guys like fucking their girlfriends when they're drunk. 1.00
01:20:22.000 What do you mean some? 1.00
01:20:23.000 Everybody.
01:20:23.000 Whose early sexual experiences were done sober?
01:20:27.000 Well, what if you're both drunk?
01:20:29.000 There was a big thing that feminists were trying to push for a while, and they kind of abandoned it because they realized that it literally makes 90% of the population a rapist. 1.00
01:20:37.000 And they were saying, you shouldn't have sex even with your husband. 0.87
01:20:40.000 If your husband is drunk and you're sober, don't have sex with him. 0.96
01:20:43.000 Yep. 0.99
01:20:44.000 And basically saying that all drunk sex is non-consensual sex, which therefore makes it rape. 0.96
01:20:48.000 You can't consent. 0.57
01:20:49.000 But then the argument becomes, well, how come you're responsible for driving your car when you're drunk?
01:20:55.000 You're responsible for that.
01:20:56.000 If you get caught, you know you're not supposed to drive your car when you're drunk.
01:20:59.000 It's not like, oh, I was too drunk, I couldn't consent to drive my car.
01:21:02.000 No, you're responsible. 1.00
01:21:03.000 You're a fucking adult. 1.00
01:21:04.000 You're responsible for violence. 1.00
01:21:05.000 You can't beat somebody up and say, well, I didn't know, I was drunk.
01:21:08.000 But when it comes to sexuality, for whatever reason, you're not responsible for your actions if you're intoxicated.
01:21:14.000 Well, you are if you're the rapist, not just not the rapee. 0.61
01:21:16.000 No. 0.99
01:21:17.000 Women were saying, this was part of the argument, that if a man fucks you and he's drunk, And you're sober, even though he's the proactive one, right? 1.00
01:21:27.000 That he's being raped? 1.00
01:21:28.000 He's being raped. 0.99
01:21:30.000 Yes. 1.00
01:21:30.000 That sex with a drunk person is rape, because they cannot consent. 1.00
01:21:35.000 Well, then you might as well just, as you say, make every single activity that you do while drunk But the real problem becomes it becomes an attack on men because it's very, very rare that any woman ever gets in trouble for having sex with a man that's drunk. 0.76
01:21:47.000 But women and men have both been drunk and the men have been accused of being rapist whereas the woman wasn't.
01:21:54.000 That was the Occidental University thing.
01:21:56.000 Yeah, that's right.
01:21:57.000 College or university?
01:21:58.000 What is it?
01:21:58.000 College.
01:21:59.000 College, yeah.
01:22:00.000 I think so too.
01:22:01.000 That was the guy suing.
01:22:03.000 It frustrates me so much because this is one of those areas where, like Islam or like political correctness or like Black Lives Matter, I feel like the moment you try to introduce nuance, you can be very quickly taken out of context and accused of being pro that thing.
01:22:16.000 100%. 1.00
01:22:17.000 You know, because I'll say something like this, and then supporters of mine on Twitter will be like, yeah, like, fuck her, or like, you know, let's rape. 1.00
01:22:23.000 And I'll be like, no, that is not what I'm saying whatsoever. 0.99
01:22:27.000 That's why it's horrific that they could take what you're doing right now and take it and make a little YouTube clip out of it, take that clip and put a title on it.
01:22:34.000 Josh Zepp thinks rape's okay.
01:22:36.000 Exactly.
01:22:37.000 That's right.
01:22:37.000 I mean, it's really not outside the realm of possibility.
01:22:39.000 I do think it's okay. 0.99
01:22:40.000 In fact, I encourage everybody to go out and rape as many people as possible. 0.99
01:22:44.000 I can't believe what I'm hearing! 0.99
01:22:46.000 There's no place for jokes.
01:22:49.000 No.
01:22:50.000 No more jokes.
01:22:51.000 Even duh jokes. 0.99
01:22:52.000 Yeah, if I were to say, for example, that preying upon somebody, preying upon a woman with a knife and forcing her against her will to have sex with you is a worse class of behavior than coming in your unconscious girlfriend's mouth... 0.99
01:23:12.000 Right.
01:23:13.000 Have we gotten to a stage where it's just not possible to even talk about that because we just have to keep mouthing the slogan of sexual violence is unacceptable all the time, therefore there's no way of even distinguishing in the law between different levels.
01:23:27.000 A 17-year-old boyfriend who makes a mistake should go to jail for just the same length of time as a repeat serial predator who preys upon...
01:23:37.000 Well, we don't want to admit that there is any difference and that all these things are exactly the same and one of the reasons why It's because what you just said, just in introducing it as a possibility, like there might be a variation, there might be a grade of like,
01:23:55.000 this is a level 10 rape, this is a level 9 rape, this is a level 8. Like, whoa, [... 0.92
01:24:00.000 As soon as you start getting into that, it's almost like you're a rape apologist, or you're a rape supporter, or... 1.00
01:24:05.000 We want to be able to boil things into a fucking headline. 1.00
01:24:09.000 A clickbait headline and spit it out there. 0.99
01:24:12.000 Here's my thoughts on rape. 0.99
01:24:14.000 You know, and that's why the idea of everyone who's drunk is getting raped is so ridiculous. 0.99
01:24:19.000 Yeah. 0.99
01:24:20.000 Because it's like, we've all been with someone that we love, and we got drunk, and we wanted to have sex with them.
01:24:25.000 When we did, no one got raped. 0.98
01:24:27.000 Well, and it's not only ridiculous, it's also demeaning to the victims of really terrible rape. 0.98
01:24:31.000 Yes. 0.99
01:24:31.000 Right? 0.99
01:24:31.000 I mean, it diminishes their legitimate concern. 0.99
01:24:36.000 It's also insanely sexist.
01:24:38.000 Because it shows women as being these people that can't make good decisions while they're intoxicated. 1.00
01:24:43.000 Whereas the men know exactly what they're doing, so they rape the woman. 1.00
01:24:46.000 So the men and the women, even though they're both engaging in the exact same act, they're both saying they want to do it.
01:24:54.000 The man, he's the attacker.
01:24:57.000 Whereas the woman is an innocent person who doesn't know any better because she's drunk. 1.00
01:25:01.000 There was a piece that I was reading on the plane in the Sunday Times yesterday about the word survivor, how the word survivor is getting used now.
01:25:09.000 It was a really interesting piece.
01:25:10.000 It's in the New York Times magazine this weekend.
01:25:12.000 I'm a flu survivor.
01:25:13.000 I am.
01:25:14.000 I had the flu.
01:25:15.000 And they were making the point that when every act of sexual violence gets labeled with, I am a survivor of sexual violence, even if that was just unwanted touching on the subway...
01:25:26.000 Yeah.
01:25:27.000 Then, like, what does it mean to be – what do you mean you survived it? 1.00
01:25:30.000 Were you ever going to die because someone, like, slapped you on the ass in the workplace? 0.99
01:25:35.000 Not to say that it's okay to do that, but, again, you're just compressing all of the actual, real, horrifying survival stories down to the level of, oh, someone looked at me funny and called me toots. 0.99
01:25:47.000 Yeah, you can't call it survival.
01:25:48.000 Yeah.
01:25:49.000 But you're a victim.
01:25:50.000 Yeah.
01:25:51.000 Yeah.
01:25:51.000 But survivor sounds better.
01:25:54.000 It sounds more juicy.
01:25:55.000 Much better.
01:25:55.000 You barely made it.
01:25:56.000 Yeah.
01:25:57.000 Survivor of bullying.
01:25:58.000 I saw that.
01:25:59.000 Someone wrote they were a survivor of high school bullying.
01:26:02.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:26:02.000 What the fuck happened to you? 1.00
01:26:04.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:26:04.000 What was so bad? 1.00
01:26:05.000 Did someone try to stab you?
01:26:06.000 Did somebody beat you up to the point of you almost dying?
01:26:09.000 Or did someone just annoy you all the time and make you feel bad?
01:26:12.000 Is that what happened?
01:26:13.000 There are only a few scenarios in which I think you can legitimately be called a survivor.
01:26:17.000 A bear attack would be one of them.
01:26:19.000 Shark attack.
01:26:19.000 Shark attack.
01:26:20.000 Another one.
01:26:21.000 Basically any kind of large carnivorous animal attacking you.
01:26:24.000 Mountain lion.
01:26:25.000 Yeah, mountain lion.
01:26:26.000 We don't need to go through them all.
01:26:27.000 Coyote.
01:26:29.000 Tiger.
01:26:30.000 Leopard.
01:26:30.000 Monkey.
01:26:31.000 A guy in India.
01:26:33.000 A mayor got killed by monkeys.
01:26:34.000 Really?
01:26:35.000 Yeah.
01:26:35.000 Did you hear that maybe all the African elephants are going to be dead in 20 years?
01:26:39.000 What?
01:26:40.000 That's what I was just reading an article. 0.66
01:26:41.000 There's places in Africa that have so many elephants, they have to kill them.
01:26:45.000 Yeah, I know.
01:26:46.000 Africa is enormous.
01:26:47.000 Google it, Jamie!
01:27:10.000 Wow.
01:27:10.000 But Africa's a continent.
01:27:13.000 I know, it's massive.
01:27:14.000 It's bigger than almost all the continents combined. 0.83
01:27:17.000 I know, but if you keep killing them at a much larger rate than they procreate, then over time you're going to wipe them all out.
01:27:23.000 What's scary is, people are still hunting them. 0.67
01:27:25.000 Yeah.
01:27:26.000 On top of the poaching.
01:27:28.000 So there's these places that develop African hunting safaris for elephants.
01:27:34.000 So they raise elephants in these high fence operations just so people can go over there and hunt them.
01:27:40.000 And that's one of the ways that they ensure that their populations stay high. 0.99
01:27:44.000 It's very fucking twisted. 0.99
01:27:46.000 Like Trump's kids? 1.00
01:27:47.000 You seen those photos of Trump's sons holding up jaguars and yeah, you know.
01:27:51.000 That whole African hunting thing, I tell people, if you think it's bizarre, from a cursory glance, you gotta look at Louis Theroux's documentary about these African hunting camps.
01:28:04.000 We've mentioned this before, because I've been a Theroux fan since day one, but that episode is just killer.
01:28:10.000 That one's nuts.
01:28:11.000 I love the end of it, when the guy's going crazy and he's asking them all the questions. 1.00
01:28:14.000 He's like, Africa, he's fucked! 1.00
01:28:16.000 He's fucked! 1.00
01:28:17.000 You don't understand! 1.00
01:28:19.000 This continent is fucked! 1.00
01:28:21.000 And when he was saying that, you really kind of get it. 1.00
01:28:24.000 I hate that term poacher too. 0.99
01:28:26.000 Poacher is a dark term because a lot of those people that are poaching are just fucking starving. 1.00
01:28:32.000 They're poor as fuck. 1.00
01:28:34.000 We have this idea that these are like these mercenaries that come over to steal ivory so they can make money off of it. 1.00
01:28:39.000 There's a lot of people that are killing these animals that almost have no way out.
01:28:43.000 There's nothing there for them.
01:28:45.000 They don't know any better.
01:28:46.000 They're not educated.
01:28:47.000 They're just starving.
01:28:48.000 And someone says, hey, you give me that rhino horn, I'll give you 500 bucks. 0.99
01:28:51.000 And they're like, holy shit, 500 bucks. 1.00
01:28:54.000 And they'll kill as many rhinos as they can before they get killed. 1.00
01:28:57.000 It's so dark. 0.99
01:28:59.000 I have a friend who went over there.
01:29:01.000 He went over there to Africa.
01:29:03.000 And he said he was on this hunting safari where they have these enormous places where they have these hunting camps where it's a 10-hour drive to the other side of the ranch.
01:29:17.000 I mean, it's enormous, enormous territory.
01:29:19.000 And while they were there, they encountered these Quote-unquote poachers.
01:29:25.000 And he said the people from the honey cam just shoot at the poachers.
01:29:30.000 They just shoot at them like they're coyotes.
01:29:32.000 Yeah.
01:29:32.000 They shoot at these people like, I mean, they don't even give them a chance.
01:29:37.000 They just shoot at them. 0.89
01:29:38.000 Yeah.
01:29:38.000 And they're allowed to.
01:29:39.000 It's legal.
01:29:40.000 And when they shoot someone, he asked them, like, what do you do if you kill someone?
01:29:44.000 And he's like, most of the time we let the hyenas sort it out.
01:29:48.000 Most of the time we let the hyenas short. 0.97
01:29:51.000 I mean, just think about how fucking crazy life is in that part of the world. 0.97
01:29:57.000 Yeah. 0.98
01:29:58.000 That this guy's actually saying that. 0.94
01:29:59.000 We're pretty fucking lucky. 0.98
01:30:00.000 And I'm guessing that Trump's kids are probably not that poor that they need to be hunting that way. 0.98
01:30:05.000 They're over there doing those big game safari things.
01:30:09.000 Yeah, there's a photo of one of them holding up an elephant's trunk.
01:30:13.000 Just the dismembered trunk. 0.98
01:30:14.000 Just the big old nose just hanging there because little shitwad Trump couldn't. 1.00
01:30:19.000 Don't even pull that up. 0.99
01:30:21.000 I don't even want to see it.
01:30:22.000 Yeah.
01:30:22.000 I do know that they've had to kill elephants in certain areas that have infiltrated these villages and started killing people.
01:30:29.000 But, you know, the question is, like, how fucked with did they get before they started killing people? 0.92
01:30:36.000 What's the actual reality of these elephants' lives? 0.97
01:30:38.000 Well, also, I mean, as you say, like, what's the reality of the human beings' lives who are doing this as well?
01:30:42.000 I was just in...
01:30:43.000 When I was coming back from Australia, I spent a week in India...
01:30:46.000 Yeah.
01:31:10.000 And it's got, like, two million people living in it.
01:31:12.000 Jesus Christ.
01:31:13.000 And they do development stuff there.
01:31:15.000 And you can walk through.
01:31:16.000 And these...
01:31:17.000 I mean, you feel a little bit weird, like, going through this place.
01:31:22.000 Like, it's almost like disaster porn or something.
01:31:25.000 They're, like, huge canals which just smell... 1.00
01:31:27.000 It's just shit. 0.99
01:31:28.000 And, like, dead dogs and pieces and just... 1.00
01:31:31.000 I mean...
01:31:32.000 But, you know what?
01:31:34.000 People are getting on with life.
01:31:36.000 They're laughing.
01:31:37.000 There are soccer balls they're playing with.
01:31:39.000 Kids are scrounging around in the dust and the dirt and the grime. 0.92
01:31:45.000 People are fucking resilient in amazing ways. 0.92
01:31:48.000 Well, if they weren't, we wouldn't be here. 0.99
01:31:51.000 Yeah. 0.99
01:31:51.000 Because this 2016 shit where you go to the supermarket and you buy a chicken breast... 0.99
01:31:55.000 Oh, we're so out of touch. 1.00
01:31:56.000 Yeah.
01:31:56.000 We're so out of touch.
01:31:57.000 The most recent of recent...
01:31:59.000 I mean, that's one of the more amazing things about how upset people are about how life is today.
01:32:04.000 Like, goddammit, it's the easiest it's ever been ever.
01:32:06.000 Yeah, I know.
01:32:07.000 This is the greatest time in the history of the world.
01:32:09.000 Yeah.
01:32:10.000 And everyone's...
01:32:11.000 The sky's falling.
01:32:12.000 Yeah.
01:32:12.000 And as our lives get better and better, we fail to accurately calibrate any benchmark.
01:32:19.000 It's like there was a study that came out that 47% of Americans could not come up with $400 if they needed to, if they suddenly got an unexpected bill.
01:32:29.000 Almost half of Americans, in other words, are right on the brink of the poverty line.
01:32:34.000 But in terms of just being able to come up with cash.
01:32:36.000 But how do we get ourselves into that scenario?
01:32:39.000 We fail to recognize how prosperous we are.
01:32:44.000 I mean, most of the people who are listening to this podcast are in the top 5% of income earners globally.
01:32:50.000 More than that.
01:32:50.000 And a lot of them will be in the top 1%.
01:32:52.000 You know, the top 1% is only $34,000 a year.
01:32:56.000 Of global incomes, is it?
01:32:58.000 Yeah.
01:32:59.000 Okay, so there you go.
01:33:00.000 And even within the United States, I mean, the top 5% is surprisingly low.
01:33:06.000 It's like 50 grand or something, right?
01:33:07.000 I think it's more than that.
01:33:09.000 60?
01:33:10.000 I thought it was over 100. 70?
01:33:11.000 Either way.
01:33:12.000 100?
01:33:13.000 Either way, we are incredibly blessed and amazingly fortunate. 0.97
01:33:16.000 And it's so hard to snap ourselves out of our complacency and realize, fuck, things actually are surprisingly convenient and easy. 0.96
01:33:26.000 For us. 0.98
01:33:27.000 We should stop whining a bit.
01:33:29.000 Overall, but if you're one of those people that can't come up with that $400 and the $400 bill comes, it seems daunting.
01:33:36.000 And I'm not blaming people for it.
01:33:38.000 I've had times in my life where I've been below, well, well underwater.
01:33:43.000 Sure, we all have.
01:33:44.000 But I think that's also probably one of the reasons why you became ambitious and why you worked hard and why you're in a position right now where you don't have to worry about that.
01:33:51.000 Yeah.
01:33:51.000 Because you worked your way through it.
01:33:52.000 And you figured your way through adversity.
01:33:55.000 You know, this is an interesting subject because I had Eddie Wong in really recently and he brought up something that I thought was preposterous.
01:34:03.000 He brought up the idea of, what do they call it, basic income?
01:34:06.000 Yeah.
01:34:07.000 Where you give people $35,000 a year to live. 0.99
01:34:10.000 And I was like, get the fuck out of here. 0.98
01:34:12.000 But...
01:34:12.000 Then I started looking into it.
01:34:14.000 And when I started looking into it, one of the things that I was intrigued by was like, okay, How much of crime and how much of people's aberrant behavior could be...
01:34:26.000 You could write it off to them being desperate and needy and poor and feeling hopeless.
01:34:33.000 And how much of that crime would not take place if they got $35,000 a year? 0.99
01:34:38.000 And if these are people that are just gonna fuck off anyway, but this way they're gonna fuck off but they won't be committing crime because they're gonna have a steady income for the rest of their life. 0.99
01:34:48.000 Is that feasible? 0.99
01:34:50.000 How much money is there out there?
01:34:51.000 Could you give everybody in America $35,000 a year?
01:34:55.000 Up to a certain number, right?
01:34:56.000 I think once you hit a cutoff, you hit, I would say, a quarter million dollars a year.
01:35:01.000 You don't get the $35,000 anymore.
01:35:02.000 You got plenty of money, dude.
01:35:03.000 But here's the thing.
01:35:04.000 The great utility of a basic income is that you don't have to fill out forms and prove that you deserve it, that everybody gets it.
01:35:10.000 So it's super, super simple, right?
01:35:12.000 Where's it coming from?
01:35:13.000 Well, you can't start with $35,000 a year.
01:35:16.000 How much?
01:35:17.000 I've heard proposals...
01:35:18.000 Look, Alaska has this already. 0.99
01:35:20.000 They just call it an oil revenue thing, right?
01:35:24.000 Everyone in Alaska gets a check from the government, which is a cut of Alaska's oil revenue.
01:35:28.000 They basically get a universal basic income.
01:35:30.000 It's not nearly enough to live on.
01:35:32.000 It might be $1,000 a year or something.
01:35:33.000 I'll be corrected on this.
01:35:35.000 But...
01:35:47.000 I want to talk to him then.
01:35:51.000 Yeah, you should.
01:35:51.000 You should get him on.
01:35:52.000 He's great.
01:35:52.000 He's based out of New York, but he's good.
01:35:53.000 What's his name again?
01:35:54.000 Felix Salmon, like the fish.
01:35:56.000 I'll text you his details after the show.
01:36:01.000 I'm making a note to myself right now.
01:36:04.000 He was basically saying there's a jurisdiction in, I think, Finland or Sweden which is actually trying this out just to test the proposition of how much less will people actually work if everyone gets a basic income.
01:36:18.000 How much of a deterrent will it be from bothering to get a job?
01:36:21.000 How much will it cost?
01:36:23.000 Well, $35,000 a year would be a lot of money.
01:36:27.000 Well, $35,000 times $300 million.
01:36:34.000 Here's the thing.
01:36:36.000 There are a lot of savings, right?
01:36:38.000 So the weird thing about this idea is that libertarians like it as well as progressives, because for libertarians, this is a way of getting rid of Social Security, getting rid of Medicare, getting rid of food stamps, getting rid of all of these different programs, and streamlining everything.
01:36:50.000 I mean, think of how hard it is to do your taxes and to fill in the forms and to figure out what you're supposed to get.
01:36:57.000 Right.
01:36:59.000 Right.
01:37:07.000 Right.
01:37:21.000 Then you would be able to start to think about affording things like that.
01:37:23.000 So you might start with just $10,000 a year for everybody.
01:37:28.000 And work your way up from there and just test it.
01:37:30.000 I think one of the states should start to do it on a more aggressive level.
01:37:35.000 Just like Colorado's going to be playing around with universal healthcare at the November election. 0.51
01:37:40.000 Because of weed, baby! 1.00
01:37:41.000 Yo! 1.00
01:37:42.000 It's all that weed money.
01:37:43.000 Come on, son!
01:37:44.000 I love it.
01:37:45.000 I think it's an interesting idea.
01:37:46.000 Imagine if Colorado decided to do that, decided to give every state resident $35,000 a year.
01:37:51.000 The problem would be everybody would move to Colorado.
01:37:53.000 Well, everybody would move there, right?
01:37:54.000 Yeah.
01:37:54.000 But...
01:37:55.000 I think this is a possible solution to the rise of robots.
01:38:01.000 That's not as crazy as it sounds. 0.91
01:38:05.000 It sounds so ridiculous though, doesn't it? 0.91
01:38:08.000 Sounds like I've just been smoking weed the entire show. 0.97
01:38:10.000 Meanwhile, you're the sober one. 1.00
01:38:14.000 I think that there are going to be fewer and fewer jobs for individual human beings as robots get better and better at making shit. 0.99
01:38:23.000 Yeah, I think everybody believes that. 0.98
01:38:24.000 And also that they're going to be cheaper and cheaper to get robots.
01:38:27.000 Yeah.
01:38:27.000 And so what happens when you've got Silicon Valley and Hollywood pumping out huge amounts of stuff, which give us a massive GDP, a larger GDP, where growth is still happening, but it takes fewer and fewer people?
01:38:43.000 I mean, Uber is a transportation company that doesn't employ anybody.
01:38:46.000 Facebook doesn't employ very many people.
01:38:48.000 But Uber's being challenged on that.
01:38:50.000 That gets really problematic when you deal with the actual labor laws.
01:38:53.000 But that's one particular scenario.
01:38:56.000 I think one thing that's happening that's interesting is that people are gravitating more towards craftsmanship and crafts, and people are gravitating towards handmade things, and they're gravitating towards things that actually have...
01:39:08.000 Like, if somebody...
01:39:09.000 Like, if I go to a store and I buy a knife, okay?
01:39:12.000 I buy a kitchen knife.
01:39:14.000 You know, it's nice.
01:39:15.000 It cuts my vegetables.
01:39:16.000 But if I know a guy who's a blacksmith, and he actually makes a knife, and he does all this craftsmanship and puts together the handle, and that to me is like, there's a feeling that you get from this object when you're using it.
01:39:30.000 Like, this is someone's craftsmanship.
01:39:32.000 This is someone's creation.
01:39:34.000 Someone learned a trade.
01:39:36.000 They learned the art form of making a functional piece of kitchenware.
01:39:43.000 And I'm Yeah, but speaking of the 47% of people who can't come up with $400, I mean, you can afford to care about such things, but the majority of people are just going to buy a pack of steak knives for $14.99 at Walmart, right?
01:39:55.000 That's true, but that's also the case with everything, with clothes and with all sorts of different things.
01:39:59.000 But for the person themselves, someone who learns a trade and someone who learns a craft, someone who learns how to make furniture...
01:40:05.000 I hope we go more that way and become less of a disposable, just China-fueled, commodity-consuming country and care more about the quality of stuff.
01:40:15.000 In some ways, I think we are.
01:40:16.000 For people who can afford it.
01:40:17.000 But I think it's becoming, for the people that are looking for something to do, that has meaning in their life, there's extreme meaning in hand-produced things.
01:40:27.000 When you buy something from someone, like a piece of office furniture, and you know this guy made it.
01:40:32.000 My friend Eric made this.
01:40:35.000 Really?
01:40:35.000 Yeah.
01:40:36.000 Nice table.
01:40:37.000 We hired him to do it.
01:40:38.000 Good on you, mate. 0.99
01:40:39.000 Not only that, look at the fucking welding and all the different shit to it. 0.99
01:40:42.000 I mean, this guy did an awesome job in creating this. 0.99
01:40:47.000 And there's like something to someone making something where you're always going to remember where it came from.
01:40:55.000 Yeah, that's right.
01:40:55.000 Even if it's a cutting board.
01:40:57.000 Somebody puts together a nice hardwood cutting board.
01:41:00.000 You're like, oh, this is a guy who made this.
01:41:03.000 And then in terms of the question of whether or not people can afford to buy such things, maybe the universal basic income means that we don't necessarily have to all be buying those things because the people who make them are going to be getting the universal income.
01:41:14.000 This is the theory, which is that...
01:41:17.000 If the overall pie is bigger every year, then you just have to figure out how to tax that pie.
01:41:24.000 Maybe that means that you have to have super huge taxes on Silicon Valley in some way in order to fund the universal basic income.
01:41:30.000 But if there aren't enough people being employed to fund what the government needs to do on the basis of a conventional income tax, but there's more stuff being produced going around, there's more wealth, you should still be able to extract that wealth somehow, and maybe people can...
01:41:46.000 If everyone got a universal basic income, people can become a poet or an artisanal knife maker or a table maker and they don't need to necessarily be able to sustain their living doing that.
01:41:56.000 There are more opportunities for creative output.
01:41:59.000 Who knows?
01:42:00.000 What's interesting to me is that it might relax people.
01:42:04.000 Well, certainly.
01:42:05.000 Imagine not having to worry about where the next meal comes from.
01:42:08.000 Well, that's where it started ringing true to me.
01:42:11.000 I was making fun of Eddie talking about it, but then I thought about it for quite a while afterwards, and then I started reading some things on it that sort of reinforced these new ideas that I was starting to play around with.
01:42:21.000 And one of the things that I was thinking is, how much of what people do that's fucked up, they're doing out of desperation or out of...
01:42:29.000 Frustration.
01:42:30.000 And how much could that be eliminated?
01:42:32.000 And how much would that change society?
01:42:35.000 And are ambitious people just... 0.95
01:42:37.000 I mean, you're not talking about anything where you could fucking go balling on. 0.86
01:42:41.000 35 grand a year or 12 grand a year. 0.93
01:42:43.000 Whatever you give them.
01:42:44.000 12 grand a year.
01:42:45.000 Let's say that.
01:42:46.000 You're barely going to live off that.
01:42:47.000 But you have enough money for food.
01:42:49.000 You have enough money for food.
01:42:50.000 Hopefully you got enough money for rent.
01:42:52.000 If you get some part-time jobs here or there, hopefully you can survive.
01:42:56.000 But you're less desperate and more dependent upon society.
01:43:01.000 You're more dependent upon the rules of society.
01:43:04.000 Well, I mean, to see what countries look like when that sort of thing happens, even though it's not a perfect analogy, just look at the countries of Northern Europe, or even, you were talking about Melbourne, you know, a country like Australia, where it's by no means perfect, there are still poor people, but gee, the levels of poverty are a lot less than they are here,
01:43:20.000 and the number of people in grinding abject absolute poverty is almost non-existent in comparison to the way that you see it here in the States, because we have social safety nets that are just much more robust.
01:43:31.000 But you only have 20 million people.
01:43:33.000 But yeah, but so what?
01:43:33.000 I never buy that argument.
01:43:35.000 Everything is scalable, Joe.
01:43:36.000 I mean, the fact that we...
01:43:37.000 Yeah, because we only have 20 million people, but we also have a proportionately fewer number of taxpayers. 0.51
01:43:42.000 You have tons more people and tons more taxpayers.
01:43:46.000 Like, look at Germany.
01:43:47.000 Germany's a big country.
01:43:49.000 They've got 80 million people, and they managed to have very, very few people, basically no people in...
01:43:55.000 Abject poverty.
01:43:56.000 That might be a bad example, because they're a mess right now.
01:43:59.000 Like, you know, Germany's a mess with the immigration issue.
01:44:01.000 Well, immigration is separate, but their economy's not a mess.
01:44:04.000 Yeah, but they're socially a mess.
01:44:06.000 Yeah, well, I mean, that's because of Syria. 0.99
01:44:08.000 Well, yeah, well, that whole thing is so bizarre, where the mayor of Munich was telling girls to keep to themselves and not look at anybody.
01:44:14.000 It's crazy.
01:44:15.000 Yeah, I'm not advocating that America should invite, you know, 10 million unscreened, undocumented Syrians. 0.99
01:44:23.000 That whole thing is fucking insane.
01:44:25.000 But you could certainly imagine a system in which it was a lot easier for people to – where you just didn't have entrenched levels of grinding poverty. 0.97
01:44:33.000 I just wonder what the cost would be.
01:44:36.000 And what – is there a mathematical equation that could be worked out where that makes sense?
01:44:42.000 I wonder.
01:44:42.000 You know, I'm not smart enough.
01:44:43.000 Let's do the math.
01:44:44.000 Ask Felix.
01:44:45.000 Felix will know.
01:44:46.000 Who's Felix?
01:44:46.000 Felix Salmon, the English guy who does it.
01:44:49.000 I thought it was like Siri.
01:44:50.000 I'm like, what are you, using a Windows phone, you ask Felix?
01:44:54.000 It sounds like that.
01:44:55.000 It sounds like Ask Jeeves or something.
01:44:56.000 Also, Felix has a really posh English accent, so he sounds like the kind of person who you would expect to voice one of those things.
01:45:02.000 Do you remember Ask Jeeves?
01:45:04.000 Everybody used to go to that before Google was around.
01:45:06.000 I know.
01:45:07.000 Go right to Ask Jeeves.
01:45:08.000 I mean, I never really used it.
01:45:10.000 Maybe I'm too young or something.
01:45:12.000 I never used it either.
01:45:13.000 What did you do?
01:45:13.000 You typed in AskJeeves.com?
01:45:15.000 I don't remember.
01:45:16.000 Did you have to phrase things as a question? 0.99
01:45:18.000 Sounds stupid now, doesn't it? 0.99
01:45:19.000 I don't remember. 0.99
01:45:20.000 I'm sure I asked Jeeves a few things.
01:45:23.000 I just don't remember what they were.
01:45:25.000 Now that I'm thinking about it. 0.93
01:45:26.000 Jeeves, show me boobs. 1.00
01:45:27.000 I don't think it's that easy. 1.00
01:45:29.000 Show me a guy getting raped by a horse. 0.96
01:45:31.000 What's this? 0.98
01:45:31.000 It's Ask.com now. 0.98
01:45:32.000 Oh.
01:45:33.000 You just knew you would ask him a question and it would tell you the answer.
01:45:35.000 Where's the tallest waterfall?
01:45:36.000 Okay, ask this.
01:45:38.000 How much would it cost to give all Americans $35,000 a year?
01:45:49.000 Okay.
01:45:49.000 Bam.
01:45:50.000 Ask.com is not going to help you with that. 1.00
01:45:52.000 Hey, you don't know that, bitch. 1.00
01:45:53.000 I looked it up. 1.00
01:45:53.000 It would cost $3 trillion to give everyone $10,000 a year. 1.00
01:45:57.000 Jesus!
01:45:57.000 So we'll supply that times the extra $2.5.
01:45:59.000 Woo! 0.99
01:46:00.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00
01:46:03.000 God damn. 1.00
01:46:04.000 That's a lot. 0.99
01:46:04.000 Yeah, that makes sense. 0.99
01:46:05.000 More than $3 trillion to give them $10,000.
01:46:09.000 Okay.
01:46:10.000 So it would be $9 trillion plus to give everybody $30.
01:46:13.000 Yeah.
01:46:14.000 But you wouldn't give everybody. 0.92
01:46:15.000 Because everybody who makes over a certain amount should have to fucking work it out. 0.98
01:46:19.000 But people are so gross, they would just stay under $250,000. 0.98
01:46:23.000 I'll make $249.99. 1.00
01:46:25.000 Give motherfucking money! 0.99
01:46:26.000 You know, because if you went over $1... 0.99
01:46:31.000 No, but if you were going to start means testing it, then it'd have to be a sliding scale so that you didn't encounter that problem, right?
01:46:38.000 So if you hit 250, then you only get 30. If you hit 260, you only get 25. But then it becomes complicated and that negates a lot of the benefit.
01:46:46.000 What you're talking about, what you really want is just a way for desperately poor people to not be desperately poor.
01:46:51.000 Yeah.
01:46:51.000 And there are simpler ways than giving everybody a universal basic income.
01:46:54.000 There are simpler ways, but I think the real important thing is figuring out a way to stop children from growing up in desperation.
01:47:04.000 Yeah.
01:47:04.000 To stop children from growing up in an environment.
01:47:07.000 I have this guy on, Michael Wood.
01:47:09.000 I've got to get back to him this week because we're working on a new date.
01:47:13.000 But he was a Baltimore police officer.
01:47:15.000 And he talked...
01:47:17.000 In great detail about real institutional racism in Baltimore, where they, you know, they had literally areas where you couldn't sell black people homes.
01:47:28.000 And this had been established like in the 1960s. 0.99
01:47:31.000 And because of that, those areas are still fucked. 0.98
01:47:35.000 Those areas, like, they're still to this day. 0.98
01:47:37.000 He found something from the 1970s.
01:47:40.000 The police officers in his district did, where it was like a mandate, like what they were supposed to do and where the crime was, and he's like, it was exactly the same places, exactly the same crimes as they were dealing with in the 2000s. 0.98
01:47:54.000 He's like, how futile and fucking crazy is this?
01:47:57.000 That you're dealing with this pattern that never gets fixed, never gets corrected, and just, they just, cops keep arresting the same people in the same areas for the same problems, and it's like, You know, they've done studies about what the most effective way to help poor people is, 0.94
01:48:14.000 because oftentimes people on the left will be in favour of food stamps or better public schools and so on.
01:48:20.000 All of those things are great.
01:48:21.000 But a lot of recent research suggests that just giving people money...
01:48:26.000 Is more effective than trying to figure out all of these tweaks.
01:48:30.000 Because we don't like giving poor people money because we think, well, they're just going to spend it on drugs or they're going to spend it on booze or something like that.
01:48:34.000 You can't buy cigarettes or food stamps.
01:48:36.000 Yeah.
01:48:37.000 But it turns out, and this applies whether you're talking about desperately poor people in Africa or desperately poor people in downtown Baltimore.
01:48:43.000 If you just give them money, most people use it to good ends.
01:48:48.000 The thing they really want the most is to...
01:49:02.000 People know how to get themselves out of poverty if they just had the resources to do so.
01:49:13.000 So just give them a bit of money.
01:49:14.000 Yeah, and it's also this absolute realization that this is not a level playing field, and that someone born in the slums of Inglewood is not the same as someone who was born in Beverly Hills.
01:49:25.000 It's so fucking crazy about libertarians when they go on about how everyone should be free.
01:49:29.000 Yeah, of course everyone should be free. 0.96
01:49:31.000 I am as libertarian as you can get.
01:49:34.000 Within the understanding that it's crazy to say that the person who's born in Beverly Hills to a white, middle-class, upper-class family is only as free as the baby born in the slums of Baltimore.
01:49:49.000 This is crazy.
01:49:50.000 Of course you should use, I think, the power of the state to be able to level the playing field a little bit, just to skim a little bit off the Beverly Hills family and give a little bit to the Baltimore family.
01:49:59.000 I don't see what's so tyrannical about that.
01:50:01.000 Well, yeah, because you're not coming from an even start point, right?
01:50:05.000 And there's also this notion that, as a country, we're only as strong as the weakest link, right?
01:50:13.000 So if we created a system where we had less people in desperation, less people in despair, less losers, We would be more winners. 0.99
01:50:24.000 We would get our shit together. 0.98
01:50:25.000 We would produce more. 0.99
01:50:27.000 We would be more effective.
01:50:28.000 I wonder.
01:50:29.000 I just wonder what the actual numbers are.
01:50:32.000 Because how much money is being spent every year on things that we don't need? 0.86
01:50:35.000 How much money from our taxes goes to bureaucracy and bullshit and this really distorted representative government that most people don't agree with? 0.91
01:50:44.000 How much of that? 0.99
01:50:45.000 How much of it is just fucking cronyism and handing money back and forth between each other? 0.98
01:50:50.000 I'll tell you what we don't spend a lot of money on. 0.99
01:50:52.000 We don't spend a lot of money on bureaucracy and waste.
01:50:57.000 People who want to cut government spending will often say, first thing I'm going to do when I get to Congress is I'm going to not repaint my congressional office or something.
01:51:07.000 I'm going to throw out the fancy stuff and I'm going to get an old couch.
01:51:11.000 This is not what we're spending our money on.
01:51:14.000 What we're spending our money on is the military.
01:51:17.000 And Medicare and Social Security, basically.
01:51:21.000 So, rein in healthcare costs and cut the military, and that's where the big meat is.
01:51:28.000 Yeah, you say cut the military, but then what happens, son?
01:51:30.000 Let me tell you something.
01:51:31.000 Freedom ain't free.
01:51:32.000 They're going to come over here and take our jobs and kick our women into the curb or something. 1.00
01:51:36.000 I've been having a Twitter argument with a person who's been saying that the reason why America's roads are so bad is because we spend too much on foreign aid.
01:51:43.000 That's me, dude.
01:51:44.000 I'm sorry.
01:51:45.000 I've been trolling you.
01:51:46.000 I don't even believe it.
01:51:47.000 I just say it because I know you get excited.
01:51:49.000 Britain spends three or four times more per capita on foreign aid.
01:51:54.000 Sweden spends six times more per capita.
01:51:55.000 Have you seen the roads in Sweden?
01:51:56.000 They're really quite nice.
01:51:59.000 We have more roads, don't we?
01:52:00.000 Yeah, of course.
01:52:01.000 But again, you also have more people.
01:52:03.000 You have more taxpayers to pay for them.
01:52:04.000 Just looking at overall numbers, we spend more money because we have more roads.
01:52:07.000 Yeah, and you spend more money on foreign aid as well, but there are more of you to share it.
01:52:11.000 I'm going to troll you on Twitter tonight.
01:52:13.000 I'm going to get on. 0.98
01:52:13.000 I'm going to be an egg with an opinion. 0.98
01:52:15.000 Here's a reform which you could support, which would really help you figure out where the money goes.
01:52:22.000 When you get your tax bill at the end of the year, your tax statement from the IRS... I think?
01:52:52.000 That's great.
01:53:15.000 Remember that the person who gave you the 1099 or the W-2 also sent a copy to the IRS. The IRS already has it.
01:53:22.000 They could just fill it out themselves.
01:53:24.000 Instead, they make you do it, and it's difficult and cumbersome.
01:53:29.000 But in a lot of other countries, like the UK and Australia, you have the option of just signing off on it and saying, yeah, okay, this looks good.
01:53:34.000 You can just do my taxes for me.
01:53:37.000 And the proposals to make to simplify doing your taxes...
01:53:42.000 I think?
01:54:10.000 So they oppose this bar graph idea because they know that the biggest line item would be this massive thing and you'd be like, do we really need to be spending that much on the military or is this really a jobs program where we're building nuclear submarines that the Pentagon doesn't want in important districts in fucking Delaware just so that we can keep some jobs there in a factory that's producing munitions that it no longer needs to be.
01:54:33.000 Well, I think one of the good things about someone proposing something like that is you get to look at who's opposing it.
01:54:38.000 And when someone's proposing something that makes sense, unless there's some sort of exorbitant fee that's involved in giving people a detailed rundown of where their money goes, then you would say, well, someone's against transparency. 0.99
01:54:50.000 And if you're against transparency, you're against freedom, you fuck. 0.99
01:54:53.000 You're against America. 1.00
01:54:54.000 Play the music, Jimmy. 0.99
01:54:56.000 A man, the free, home of the brave, goddammit! 1.00
01:54:58.000 I want to know where my fucking taxes go! 0.99
01:55:01.000 Yes, if you're anti-tax, then you should be pro-transparency and tax, right? 0.99
01:55:05.000 I found out my taxes all went to welfare cigarettes.
01:55:09.000 That's where they didn't go.
01:55:10.000 And booze! 1.00
01:55:11.000 And pills for the kids!
01:55:14.000 Yeah.
01:55:15.000 Yeah, man.
01:55:15.000 We should spend more on...
01:55:16.000 I just wonder what the number would be.
01:55:19.000 Like, what would...
01:55:19.000 To do the universal basic income?
01:55:21.000 Yeah.
01:55:21.000 I wonder what the number would be, and what would be...
01:55:24.000 Just try to put...
01:55:25.000 I'll tell you if I've got a rant coming on.
01:55:28.000 I'll tell you if I've got a rant coming on, Jamie.
01:55:30.000 Right now, I'm not feeling that American.
01:55:31.000 Even better when I do a rant in my Australian accent, and you play the U.S. national anthem behind it.
01:55:35.000 It sounds really weird.
01:55:36.000 It's a cognitive dissonance.
01:55:39.000 Mate, play it, Jamie.
01:55:40.000 Play the anthem here.
01:55:42.000 Let's just get a little bit of patriotism going here.
01:55:46.000 Mate, I want to tell you a thing or two about the United States.
01:55:50.000 But talk in your real accent.
01:55:51.000 Don't overdo it.
01:55:53.000 You can't fake it.
01:55:54.000 Alright, okay.
01:55:57.000 This country.
01:55:58.000 A nation of brave, courageous men and women.
01:56:02.000 Who fought for years, nay centuries.
01:56:04.000 Okay, hold on, stop.
01:56:05.000 What about non-binary sexual people? 1.00
01:56:07.000 Oh, fuck. 1.00
01:56:07.000 But not men or women. 1.00
01:56:09.000 You're being exclusive.
01:56:10.000 We're being a bit transphobic, aren't I? Yes, you're very transphobic.
01:56:12.000 You know, I said on my podcast the other day that people who vote for Hillary because she's a woman are only voting for her because she's got a vagina. 1.00
01:56:20.000 And someone on Twitter said that that was transphobic because there are women who don't have vaginas. 1.00
01:56:24.000 Yeah, I disagree. 0.98
01:56:26.000 Yeah, there's an X and a Y chromosome.
01:56:28.000 There's a lot of genetics.
01:56:29.000 You might identify with being a woman. 1.00
01:56:31.000 If you've got a dick, though, we have a real problem. 1.00
01:56:33.000 Look, I'm happy to call them women if they want to be called women. 1.00
01:56:35.000 I really don't have a problem with it.
01:56:36.000 But don't call me trans. 0.99
01:56:37.000 It's not transphobic for me to make a generalization that most women have vaginas. 0.99
01:56:41.000 I saw an opening to call you transphobic and I jumped on it because it's there. 1.00
01:56:46.000 So I sank your battleship.
01:56:48.000 I got D12. I saw it.
01:56:50.000 They're playing fucking games. 1.00
01:56:52.000 They're playing games. 1.00
01:56:52.000 You don't have to have a vagina to be a woman. 1.00
01:56:54.000 Fuck you! 1.00
01:56:55.000 How about fuck you? 1.00
01:56:57.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00
01:56:59.000 What do you think about this North Carolina law, though?
01:57:01.000 This is different.
01:57:02.000 The bathroom thing.
01:57:03.000 I'm so conflicted about this because...
01:57:06.000 I also got into trouble on my podcast for talking about this.
01:57:08.000 So, I think it's obviously a silly beat-up and I think that trans people have been and will continue to use bathrooms and we shouldn't worry about it and I don't think that people should be passing laws against it. 1.00
01:57:22.000 But... 0.82
01:57:23.000 Yeah.
01:57:32.000 Yeah.
01:57:34.000 Yeah.
01:57:45.000 We're good to go.
01:58:02.000 ...who was assigned male at birth and has no intention of transitioning at all, right?
01:58:09.000 So she has a beard. 0.99
01:58:10.000 She's a fat guy with a beard who plays guitar, and that's what all of her photos are, and she doesn't want to have her dick cut off, and she doesn't want to grow breasts, and she doesn't want to lose her beard. 0.99
01:58:21.000 And she's arguing that it's transphobic to say that she shouldn't be able to use the women's restroom... 1.00
01:58:29.000 And other people were saying, you can understand how, like, a parent might be concerned if their daughter went into the girl's restroom and then what appears to be a large, bearded, fat man walks in after her.
01:58:41.000 You know, that is not necessarily transphobic.
01:58:44.000 And then all of a sudden, she's like, how dare you say that?
01:58:47.000 There has not been a single instance of a trans person abusing...
01:58:50.000 This is just like the gay fear back in the 1970s. 0.98
01:58:52.000 You're claiming that trans people are more likely to be pedophiles. 0.99
01:58:55.000 Blah, blah, blah. 0.99
01:58:56.000 No.
01:58:56.000 That should have the music on it.
01:58:57.000 No.
01:58:58.000 That was a good rant.
01:59:00.000 No, we're not saying that.
01:59:02.000 We're just saying, how do you expect us to know the difference between you, a trans woman who looks like a man, and just a man? 0.99
01:59:09.000 Well, you're being reasonable, and that's the problem.
01:59:11.000 This is not a reasonable discussion.
01:59:12.000 No.
01:59:12.000 And here's what's really ironic.
01:59:14.000 What we really should be concerned with is not the trans people. 1.00
01:59:17.000 What we should really be concerned with is heterosexual people pretending to be trans people. 0.99
01:59:23.000 Heterosexual people who are in fact sexual predators, who all they have to do to be around- But they don't even have to pretend to be trans. 0.98
01:59:29.000 I mean, all they would do- I see what you mean. 0.99
01:59:31.000 All they would have to do is to wear a dress and go to the woman's room and say they're trans. 0.99
01:59:35.000 And they could do whatever the fuck they want once they're in there. 1.00
01:59:38.000 That's the real issue. 0.99
01:59:39.000 It's not the actual trans people. 1.00
01:59:41.000 That's right.
01:59:42.000 It's people that are using this very ambiguous law.
01:59:46.000 I mean, this is a very ambiguous distinction.
01:59:47.000 If someone identifies with the opposite sex without having any outward appearance of being that opposite sex, all a guy would have to do is say, I'm trans, and you can go into a female restroom. 0.60
01:59:59.000 Most likely it's not going to happen.
02:00:00.000 But you have to recognize it's a possibility.
02:00:04.000 But again, it comes back to our conversation about rape or about Islam or about Black Lives Matter or whatever. 0.97
02:00:10.000 We're trying to have a nuanced conversation and it's impossible to have because all you're allowed to be is either pro-trans or you're a religious evangelical bigot, right? 0.97
02:00:19.000 Yes.
02:00:20.000 You're not allowed...
02:00:20.000 There's no middle ground.
02:00:21.000 We just have to hunker down, Joe, into our little trenches and have a war of attrition where I'm on one side and you're on the other side and the last man fucking stands. 0.98
02:00:29.000 It's like World War I. We're doing Passchendaele all over again, just firing at each other on Twitter. 0.98
02:00:33.000 You're not allowed to have a nuanced...
02:00:35.000 Don't you think this is a direct result of the Bush administration, like we were talking about?
02:00:39.000 I really do think that that's what it is.
02:00:41.000 I think everybody was so scared and conservatism was at such a high point that the rebound from that, the rebound from all the anti-gay hysterica, I mean, that administration was ripe with homophobia, ripe with all sorts of different types of discrimination. 0.98
02:00:57.000 It was a fucking weird... 0.76
02:00:59.000 I think that absolves the left too much, and I think it also fails to recognize the changes that social media have wrought. 0.97
02:01:06.000 I don't think this would be as bad.
02:01:08.000 I think it's all together.
02:01:09.000 Yeah, 24-hour media, social media.
02:01:12.000 Like, Stephen Fry quit Twitter in February.
02:01:15.000 He was one of the first adopters, and he was like, it used to be this lake in the forest where you could run and jump and play, and now it's a fetid swamp with everyone pissing in the pool. 0.99
02:01:25.000 I'm a Stephen Fry fan, but I gotta say, I think you went out like a bitch. 1.00
02:01:29.000 He should've hung in there? 1.00
02:01:30.000 Fuck yeah! 1.00
02:01:31.000 Come on, that small group of people can chase you out of one of the most fucking easily used forms of free expression the world has ever known? 1.00
02:01:39.000 Like, all it takes is him making a joke about a dress, and people shitting on him for making a joke. 0.99
02:01:44.000 Why would you even care about the opinion of people who get upset at you for making fucking And he's a 1.00
02:02:14.000 sniper. 1.00
02:02:15.000 Yeah, that's true.
02:02:16.000 That's what he does.
02:02:17.000 His whole thing is mocking people who say they're offended.
02:02:22.000 So he's getting offended by people mocking him for being offended.
02:02:27.000 I'm not sure he's offended.
02:02:28.000 I think he just doesn't want to play that game.
02:02:30.000 Okay, what is that word then?
02:02:32.000 What word are we looking for?
02:02:33.000 Upset?
02:02:33.000 Bored?
02:02:34.000 No.
02:02:35.000 Upset.
02:02:36.000 Just bored and exhausted.
02:02:37.000 I don't believe you write a whole blog because you're bored.
02:02:39.000 I think you write a blog because you're upset.
02:02:41.000 He was angry.
02:02:42.000 He was visibly angry.
02:02:43.000 Or at least...
02:02:44.000 It appeared to be through his tweets and his reactions to people being upset with him about making fun of that dress.
02:02:51.000 I mean, I just think it's hard sometimes.
02:02:54.000 Who knows what was going on in his life when that was going on?
02:02:57.000 He made that decision as well.
02:02:59.000 It could have been like a down point in his life emotionally.
02:03:02.000 I think it might be an up point because I think he just got married or he's getting married.
02:03:06.000 He's dating this guy who's like 50 years younger than him or something. 0.99
02:03:09.000 So he's getting a lot of ass. 1.00
02:03:10.000 A lot of dick. 1.00
02:03:11.000 And he's probably having a great time. 1.00
02:03:14.000 He's like, I don't need this shit anymore. 1.00
02:03:15.000 They can go and fuck off. 1.00
02:03:16.000 I don't have no time for 140 characters, bitch. 1.00
02:03:18.000 Exactly. 0.98
02:03:19.000 But then why does he have time to write about it then?
02:03:21.000 Why not just step away?
02:03:23.000 Well, people would notice it and then they'd be like, oh, where's Stephen Fry?
02:03:26.000 Why isn't he responding to things?
02:03:27.000 It's easier just to say, hey, here I am.
02:03:29.000 I'm going.
02:03:29.000 I won't be here for a while.
02:03:30.000 Yeah, but why even, if you don't care and you're going to leave, why even make an announcement?
02:03:36.000 It's like if someone said to you, you know, hey man, I just thought the jokes you made about rape and the Joe Rogan podcast were totally uncalled for.
02:03:43.000 Unfollowed!
02:03:44.000 Hmm?
02:03:46.000 Unfollowed!
02:03:47.000 Dude, the unfollowed dance.
02:03:49.000 I'm unfollowing!
02:03:50.000 I got him!
02:03:51.000 Did you see what I wrote?
02:03:53.000 I'm pretty sure I read it!
02:03:54.000 I wish the audio podcast listeners could see the Joe Rogan dance that just happened.
02:03:59.000 Unfollowed!
02:03:59.000 Kind of like halfway between a Down Syndrome child and a rooster.
02:04:05.000 I unfollowed you! 1.00
02:04:06.000 I win!
02:04:07.000 Oh dear.
02:04:08.000 Put that behind the national anthem.
02:04:10.000 But it's that thing that they do.
02:04:11.000 They just want to get your...
02:04:12.000 And how many people are we talking about?
02:04:15.000 I mean, one or two or three or even a hundred people got mad at him?
02:04:18.000 No, no, no.
02:04:18.000 I mean, I take your point.
02:04:19.000 Sure, maybe it's a pussy move, but it's his life. 0.96
02:04:21.000 He doesn't have to be on Twitter if he doesn't want to be on Twitter. 0.98
02:04:23.000 But the problem is he's so great.
02:04:25.000 It upsets me that he would have that reaction.
02:04:29.000 By the way, I've read the things that people wrote to him.
02:04:32.000 It wasn't really that big of a deal.
02:04:33.000 He made fun of a woman's dress and said it looked like a garbage bag.
02:04:37.000 And it's one of his friends.
02:04:39.000 It's funny.
02:04:39.000 It's kind of funny.
02:04:40.000 But of course people are going to react.
02:04:43.000 They're barking.
02:04:45.000 Here's what he wrote.
02:04:45.000 He said, Okay,
02:05:05.000 what's a pram?
02:05:06.000 What we call a stroller.
02:05:09.000 Oh, out of a pram as I go.
02:05:12.000 I thought it was like a boat.
02:05:14.000 A pram?
02:05:15.000 Mate, that's what we in the British call a stroller. 0.76
02:05:18.000 Jamie, Google the word pram.
02:05:19.000 Why did I think that pram was a type of boat?
02:05:22.000 I don't know.
02:05:23.000 Pram, you've got a bunch of... 1.00
02:05:25.000 What the fuck? 0.99
02:05:27.000 How to reset your computer's pram. 1.00
02:05:28.000 Oh, look at that.
02:05:29.000 It's a stroller.
02:05:30.000 I just told you that three times, Joe.
02:05:32.000 Do you not trust me?
02:05:33.000 How do you not trust me?
02:05:34.000 I do, but I wanted him to Google boat.
02:05:36.000 Google pram boat.
02:05:37.000 Because why don't I think, oh yeah, it says boat.
02:05:39.000 Yeah, it is a boat.
02:05:41.000 It's a type of boat.
02:05:42.000 Is it a brand of boat?
02:05:44.000 Yeah, it's a pram boat.
02:05:46.000 A small utility dinghy. 1.00
02:05:47.000 Bitch, I told you. 1.00
02:05:48.000 With a transom bow rather than a pointed bow. 1.00
02:05:50.000 Don't make fun of me, bro.
02:05:51.000 I got knowledge. 0.98
02:05:52.000 Deep knowledge about shitty boats. 0.97
02:05:56.000 Small utility dinghies. 0.98
02:05:58.000 That's what I... I knew it, dawg.
02:05:59.000 Like, why is he throwing his ideas out of a small utility dinghy?
02:06:05.000 But what he said was eloquent.
02:06:06.000 I mean, he's dead on about the sanctimonious.
02:06:09.000 He's dead on about recreational outrage.
02:06:11.000 And also, he lives in a country, remember, where you can actually be prosecuted for saying things that people find offensive.
02:06:18.000 Like in the UK. Did you hear about the mealy-mouthed tweet, this guy?
02:06:23.000 So after the Brussels attack...
02:06:25.000 There was a guy, just a regular dude, who tweeted, I confronted a Muslim woman yesterday.
02:06:31.000 I asked her to explain Brussels.
02:06:33.000 She said, nothing to do with me.
02:06:36.000 A mealy-mouthed reply.
02:06:39.000 That caused a media storm because there were lots of funny reactions to that where people were like, I met an Irish person and asked him to explain the IRA. He said, nothing to do with me.
02:06:50.000 A mealy-mouthed reply.
02:06:52.000 I asked a dog why I was bitten by a dog when I was four.
02:06:55.000 He said, woof.
02:06:56.000 Mealy-mouthed reply.
02:06:57.000 But this guy was arrested.
02:06:59.000 He was arrested on suspicion of inciting racial hatred.
02:07:03.000 Wow.
02:07:04.000 And in the UK, that's what can happen. 1.00
02:07:07.000 In the UK, simply saying that Islam is a problem or Islam is stupid can get you potentially arrested. 1.00
02:07:15.000 Wow. 1.00
02:07:17.000 Look at this.
02:07:18.000 He subsequently expressed concerns for his health and was taken to a nearby hospital. 1.00
02:07:22.000 He's probably having a fucking heart attack. 0.99
02:07:24.000 Doyle's tweet, which has since been deleted, read, Wow, that is crazy. 1.00
02:07:31.000 He did then tweet a few offensive things.
02:07:32.000 He was like, in response to people getting angry with him, he was like, Oh, so I offended a towelhead? 1.00
02:07:37.000 Big deal.
02:07:37.000 So, you know, he's not maybe the nicest guy in the world, but when you live in a country with a First Amendment, it's pretty fucking crazy that a person can say something, can tweet something like that, and then get arrested.
02:07:49.000 Well, Canada's got some issues, too.
02:07:51.000 Canada has issues with comedians.
02:07:53.000 Yep.
02:07:53.000 There was one comedian in Montreal that made a joke about some kid that was dying, and the kid survived, and all these people had donated money, apparently.
02:08:09.000 So he made some joke about, you know... 0.98
02:08:11.000 How the fuck is this kid still alive? 0.99
02:08:13.000 Something along those lines. 0.99
02:08:15.000 And he's just trying to be funny.
02:08:17.000 And he's been fighting it in court.
02:08:19.000 And they're trying to put him in jail.
02:08:21.000 And there's the other kid in Vancouver, the guy who was on stage.
02:08:25.000 And some women were heckling. 1.00
02:08:26.000 And he said something about them being ugly lesbians and some mean shit to them. 1.00
02:08:31.000 He got sued. 1.00
02:08:32.000 Lost.
02:08:33.000 I mean, they're heckling at a comedy club.
02:08:35.000 And what he said, whether it was...
02:08:40.000 It's not like someone just yelling something to someone out randomly.
02:08:44.000 This is someone trying to handle a heckler ad-libbing in a comedy club with a bunch of drunk people and these hecklers who had been fucking up the show up until the time he got there. 0.83
02:08:55.000 So he's trying to wreck them and make them feel bad. 0.84
02:08:58.000 They sued him and won.
02:08:59.000 Unbelievable.
02:09:00.000 Slurs forced comic to pay $15,000 for a tirade of ugly words against lesbian patron after appeals falls flat. 0.99
02:09:09.000 Like, what?
02:09:09.000 He has to pay $15,000 for a comedy show because he insulted somebody?
02:09:14.000 Yeah.
02:09:15.000 Yeah.
02:09:17.000 I gotta tell you, I haven't seen anything that bad in Australia, but it is also bad in Australia in terms of, like, what frustrates me the most is that people from certain ethnic groups or religions... 1.00
02:09:27.000 A claiming that you can be, you can blaspheme, you can, what do you call it when you defame, right, you can defame like a religion or an ethnicity.
02:09:35.000 Hold on, look at that, Jamie.
02:09:36.000 Scientists say they've developed a second skin you can wear for more than a day to look younger.
02:09:41.000 What? 1.00
02:09:43.000 What the fuck? 1.00
02:09:45.000 Dude, you're gonna go out with some old lady, or old man, whatever, and you're gonna think, I found the perfect guy. 1.00
02:09:51.000 Wow.
02:09:52.000 He's got beautiful skin.
02:09:54.000 He smells like an old guy, but I don't know.
02:09:57.000 The idea sounds like fantasy, an invisible film that can be painted on your skin and give it the elasticity of youth.
02:10:03.000 Bags under the eyes vanish in seconds.
02:10:05.000 Wrinkles disappear.
02:10:06.000 And this is from the National Post, which is an actual Canadian publication. 0.93
02:10:10.000 This isn't bullshit, right?
02:10:11.000 170 people have tried it. 0.96
02:10:12.000 Under-eye bags.
02:10:13.000 No reported irritation or reactions.
02:10:16.000 Whoa.
02:10:17.000 Under-eye bags are just a start.
02:10:18.000 You can soak the film with sunscreen and protect yourself without worrying about sweat or water washing it away.
02:10:24.000 The researchers say they expect it can be used to treat eczema, psoriasis, and other skin conditions by covering dry, itchy patches with a film that moisturizes and soothes.
02:10:33.000 Whoa.
02:10:34.000 I'm going to get me some of that.
02:10:36.000 But you know, that's one of those weird things where I would have never even thought that someone would come up with this idea.
02:10:41.000 It's clever though, right?
02:10:42.000 It's amazing.
02:10:43.000 They developed a two-step process.
02:10:44.000 A polymer, a clear liquid, is applied.
02:10:47.000 Its chains are not very strong, though, so the next step is applying a product that links them together.
02:10:53.000 By modifying the chemistry of the chains, the researchers can alter the properties of the second skin depending on how it will be used, making it more or less permeable.
02:11:01.000 For example, a more permeable second skin might be used for under eye bags where a less permeable one might hold a medication in place.
02:11:10.000 It can be removed with a solution that dissolves the polymer.
02:11:13.000 Whoa! 0.71
02:11:14.000 We're plastic people!
02:11:15.000 I love it.
02:11:15.000 Jesus Christ!
02:11:17.000 Wow! 1.00
02:11:18.000 As if the fucking Kardashians weren't plastic enough. 1.00
02:11:20.000 They're gonna have plastic faces. 1.00
02:11:22.000 The old lady's gonna look 20 again. 1.00
02:11:25.000 By the time I need to get Botox or any kind of facial surgery, I'm not going to need it anymore.
02:11:29.000 There you go, dude.
02:11:29.000 I'm just going to be able to spray some polymer on my face.
02:11:31.000 That's what I like about you.
02:11:32.000 You make lemonade.
02:11:33.000 Exactly.
02:11:33.000 You see something, you go, there's a positive on this.
02:11:36.000 Fuck having plastic people. 1.00
02:11:38.000 I wonder if they feel like rubbers, though. 1.00
02:11:40.000 Like, you know, like you touch people.
02:11:41.000 Yeah.
02:11:41.000 Like it feels good.
02:11:42.000 Like skin touching skin.
02:11:44.000 Yeah.
02:11:44.000 I wonder if all of a sudden it's like touching a rubber.
02:11:46.000 Well, especially if you're wearing it, right?
02:11:48.000 Yeah.
02:11:48.000 Like, if someone caresses your cheek, does it just feel like...
02:11:52.000 Well, I wouldn't worry about what they feel like, because your hands, I'm assuming, won't be covered by the shit. 0.99
02:11:57.000 No. 0.98
02:11:57.000 You wouldn't cover your fingertips. 0.98
02:11:58.000 Unless you're really vain.
02:12:00.000 Unless you're like, my fingertips give away my age.
02:12:02.000 I don't like when I take baths and my skin prunes, so can you do something about that?
02:12:07.000 I want to run a really hot bath and then spray some polymer on my fingertips. 0.99
02:12:11.000 What the fuck, man? 1.00
02:12:12.000 That's great. 1.00
02:12:13.000 We're going to cover ourselves with rubber. 0.98
02:12:16.000 I mean, the fact that we've got enough money to be thinking about this, like, coming back to the question about, like, poaching elephants in Africa or me going to the Mumbai slum, like, what the fuck is the world on about?
02:12:25.000 When you talk about the inequality between Beverly Hills and Baltimore, what about the inequality between people who are inventing polymers so that we can spray them on our eye bags so that we look a little bit less old at the same time as there are people living on a penny a day in Mumbai? 0.97
02:12:40.000 It's nutty.
02:12:40.000 Like, if you were an alien and came down to the Earth right now, You'd be like, what are these guys doing?
02:12:45.000 They've got plenty to go around. 1.00
02:12:47.000 They've got tons of shit. 1.00
02:12:48.000 That's a super good point. 1.00
02:12:49.000 And there's something that I was reading about today about a type of polymer that they've used on...
02:12:56.000 God, what was it on?
02:12:58.000 It was on certain...
02:12:59.000 Let me find the history here.
02:13:01.000 It was on certain... 0.93
02:13:05.000 Certain types of, uh, it's like a plastic that can spray on things, and when they spray the shit on things, it, um, it actually, uh, you could, you could throw, like, cinder blocks off of buildings and shit because of it. 0.97
02:13:19.000 Wait, and the cinder block is okay? 0.96
02:13:21.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:13:22.000 The cinder block stays together. 1.00
02:13:23.000 It's fucking madness, man. 1.00
02:13:25.000 Cool. 1.00
02:13:25.000 It's really weird. 1.00
02:13:27.000 Let me guess.
02:13:28.000 The military developed it.
02:13:29.000 Sounds like something like that, right? 1.00
02:13:31.000 Shit, probably. 0.99
02:13:31.000 Let me find this stuff. 0.99
02:13:33.000 Because it's some shit that they spray on things. 0.99
02:13:36.000 And they're using it on certain automobiles. 0.99
02:13:40.000 It's like, hold on, let me find it real quick.
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02:13:54.000 It's called LineX.
02:13:56.000 Jamie, Google Line-X polymer coating.
02:13:59.000 Because this stuff, they put it on plates and they threw it off of buildings.
02:14:04.000 Like, look, they threw this.
02:14:05.000 This is on the History Channel.
02:14:07.000 They threw these cinder blocks off of a building.
02:14:11.000 And then they cover the cinder block with this paint.
02:14:14.000 And then they throw the same cinder block, same size cinder block, off a building that's covered in this protective coating, and watch what happens. 0.94
02:14:22.000 It just fucking bounces. 0.98
02:14:24.000 Now, they did it with eggs, man. 0.99
02:14:27.000 They did it with plates, they did it with eggs, and then on top of that, they did it with plastic cups, where they had a sumo wrestler stand on plastic cups.
02:14:38.000 Look at the egg.
02:14:39.000 So they're spraying the egg.
02:14:40.000 And by the way, this is like less than a quarter inch coating that they put on these eggs.
02:14:44.000 Boom! 0.99
02:14:45.000 Bounces off the ground.
02:14:46.000 Wow! 1.00
02:14:46.000 This is crazy shit. 1.00
02:14:47.000 But look at the cups, the really weird stuff. 0.99
02:14:50.000 They took this gigantic sumo wrestler and they had him stand on these plastic cups.
02:14:56.000 Of course he crushes them. 0.99
02:14:57.000 Then they take the same kind of cup and they cover it with this Line-X shit. 0.99
02:15:01.000 Go way, way back. 0.99
02:15:03.000 There's a sumo wrestler, dude.
02:15:05.000 You can see easily he's obviously going to crush these.
02:15:07.000 Oh, so it's just a little sippy cup.
02:15:08.000 It's like a red cup from a frat party or something.
02:15:10.000 Go way further ahead, Jamie, because he crushes these.
02:15:12.000 But go way further.
02:15:13.000 Now watch.
02:15:14.000 No!
02:15:14.000 Look at this.
02:15:15.000 He's standing on two red beer cups.
02:15:19.000 Yeah, and they're not much bigger.
02:15:21.000 Look, they're not much bigger.
02:15:22.000 No.
02:15:22.000 It's not like they became super thick because of this stuff.
02:15:26.000 So this must just...
02:15:27.000 What does it do?
02:15:28.000 I guess it just disperses the energy of the...
02:15:31.000 I don't know.
02:15:31.000 ...of the fall all across the...
02:15:34.000 The product?
02:15:35.000 I don't know, man. 0.99
02:15:35.000 It's some super fucking polymer. 0.99
02:15:37.000 I mean, what would you use it for? 0.99
02:15:38.000 You'd just use it to make everything strong, I guess.
02:15:40.000 Yeah, I guess. 1.00
02:15:40.000 Or cover your fucking whole body with, bro. 1.00
02:15:43.000 Become Iron Man. 1.00
02:15:44.000 Yeah, become like the thing.
02:15:46.000 From Fantastic Four, you know?
02:15:48.000 Yeah, put a little bit of, uh, put the old, put the anti-aging polymer on first. 0.98
02:15:51.000 Then put this shit on, jump up a building and bounce. 0.99
02:15:54.000 Dude, that's what I'm talking about. 1.00
02:15:55.000 And look young.
02:15:55.000 Just run right through walls.
02:15:57.000 Shit. 1.00
02:15:58.000 You reckon we're ever going to do that? 0.99
02:16:00.000 I think in a hundred years from now, science and technology will have achieved results that are unfathomable.
02:16:07.000 Yeah.
02:16:08.000 I think we are just in the infancy.
02:16:10.000 I mean, go back to 1916. People lived like fucking cave people. 1.00
02:16:14.000 They were barely human. 1.00
02:16:16.000 They were monkeys.
02:16:17.000 And think about what we're experiencing now in 2016. Now imagine what 2116 is going to be like.
02:16:24.000 Well, also think about if we can ever do what Ray Kurzweil wants us to do and be able to unite artificial intelligence with our intelligence.
02:16:32.000 I think it's inevitable.
02:16:33.000 If that happens, then that's going to be a bigger game changer than all of the physiological things that we've been able to do in terms of the evolution since the Industrial Revolution.
02:16:41.000 It's going to be like an information revolution, and we're going to become cosmic gods.
02:16:46.000 In some sort of a weird way, I think it's inevitable.
02:16:49.000 Because I just think, as long as we don't blow ourselves up, or we get hit by a meteor, or a supervolcano wipes out the planet, I think it's inevitable. 0.98
02:16:56.000 We're going to continue, not we, not you and I, we're not going to do shit. 0.98
02:17:00.000 We're just going to be talking. 0.97
02:17:01.000 Speak for yourself.
02:17:03.000 I'm going to be the first one!
02:17:05.000 We're just going to be talking, but there's going to be other people out there that are really fucking smart, and they're going to come together with some other really smart people, and they're going to figure out some amazing things. 0.78
02:17:13.000 We're just watching it. 0.99
02:17:15.000 That's fake skin shit. 1.00
02:17:17.000 When people wonder about why we haven't found extraterrestrial civilizations yet, and we haven't heard their radio waves, I'm so hopeful that the reason is that we just evolved out of that. 0.99
02:17:27.000 We've only had them for less than 100 years, right?
02:17:29.000 We've only been pumping them out for 100 years.
02:17:32.000 Maybe we're just about to find something else and we'll realise that the universe is actually teeming with all these conversations between different civilisations that we are just completely oblivious to and they don't care about reaching out to us because we're just little ants on a little rock floating around a...
02:17:49.000 Yeah.
02:17:56.000 Yeah. 0.97
02:18:10.000 IBM machine that's beating people in that Go game, killing chess champions at their fucking preferred game, that one day it's going to reach some sort of a state where we have to accept it as a life form. 0.95
02:18:25.000 Yep, and it has rights, because it has a conception of itself. 0.98
02:18:28.000 Can it go in any bathroom at once?
02:18:29.000 How's that work?
02:18:30.000 Two computers walking to the bathroom.
02:18:33.000 I was talking to someone who was saying that when we can grow artificial meat, because they're working on artificial meat in a lab, then will it be the case that the only ethical meat to eat that isn't artificial...
02:18:48.000 Would be human meat, because we're the only people capable of giving informed consent to have ourselves be eaten.
02:18:54.000 But it wouldn't even be ourselves. 1.00
02:18:56.000 Maybe we could take all these fat people, and we could suck body meat off of them. 1.00
02:19:01.000 They'd be like, I really wish I was thinner. 1.00
02:19:03.000 And you go to a place, and with no scars, they remove 30% of your body weight.
02:19:07.000 I've got this polymer that I can spray on you, which just extracts some of your fat and your calories and puts them into a smoothie for me.
02:19:12.000 Yeah, you just sell it as protein bars.
02:19:15.000 You mentioned the Go game, the computer that beats people at Go.
02:19:18.000 The thing that I find really fascinating about that is the computer that beats people at chess is basically just a brute number cruncher, right?
02:19:28.000 So Deep Blue and Deep Blue 1, whatever, was it Kasparov?
02:19:32.000 What that basically does is just looks at all of the different possible outcomes that you might be about to play and then rapidly calculates the probability that any particular move is going to yield a good result.
02:19:42.000 We can all imagine how that functions.
02:19:45.000 It's basically just lots and lots of numbers.
02:19:47.000 But go is so complicated.
02:19:50.000 There are so many different options at any particular point in the game that no computer can even remotely and probably ever will be able to calculate the game itself the way that the chess computer does.
02:20:01.000 There are more options, I think, in a game of Go than there are, like, atoms in the universe.
02:20:05.000 It's some crazy stat like that.
02:20:08.000 What? 1.00
02:20:10.000 Fuck that game. 1.00
02:20:15.000 It's the power of... 1.00
02:20:16.000 It's exponential, right?
02:20:18.000 So, like, if there are two options, and then those two options each lead to another two options, which each lead to another two options, which each lead to another two options, very quickly you get up to numbers that are...
02:20:27.000 You know, it's like those thought experiments of how many times would you have to fold a piece of paper for it to reach the moon, and it's only, like, 30 or 40 times or something ridiculous like that, because it's doubling all the time.
02:20:36.000 Can you look that up, Jamie?
02:20:37.000 How many times do you need to fold a piece of paper for it to reach to the moon?
02:20:40.000 But anyway, so the point about the Go computer...
02:20:43.000 It doesn't crunch numbers.
02:20:45.000 It learns from other Go games.
02:20:50.000 So they load into it all of the Go games, like thousands or millions of games that have happened.
02:20:55.000 And it then looks at all of those games and tries to find patterns between the particular moves that humans have done in past games.
02:21:05.000 And then uses its own intuition to run...
02:21:09.000 Billions of possible games in its own head, and it gradually learns from its own mistakes.
02:21:15.000 So it's not just a computer.
02:21:17.000 It's not just like a gigantic calculator like the chess computer is.
02:21:20.000 It is a form of artificial intelligence in that it is making calculations.
02:21:25.000 I mean, obviously, it doesn't know anything, we don't think.
02:21:27.000 But for me, it's really super exciting because I do think that it's really interesting to ask the Turing test question of, like, when is a computer actually self-aware?
02:21:36.000 Right.
02:21:43.000 Right.
02:21:55.000 To say that they're not self-aware, but like a chimp is, would be meaningless. 1.00
02:21:59.000 Do you think that they're going to start by just trolling people on Twitter with fake intelligence?
02:22:04.000 Like, imagine if this guy that you're arguing with on Twitter, he turns out to not be a person.
02:22:08.000 And they just realize what riles people up, what spins their gears.
02:22:12.000 And they just start sending these troll Twitter things out.
02:22:16.000 And they just start having debates with people.
02:22:19.000 Like, literally having debates and breaking people down. 0.98
02:22:21.000 And then being passive-aggressive, being shitty... 0.94
02:22:31.000 Wouldn't that be interesting? 0.99
02:22:41.000 You'd just be creating a monster.
02:22:43.000 Well, it makes you wonder.
02:22:44.000 I mean, if Go games are that complicated, yet they're able to master that, what about human personality?
02:22:49.000 Absolutely.
02:22:50.000 Do we kid ourselves in that we're so complex and amazing that nothing could copy us? 0.97
02:22:55.000 I mean, what if some fucking computer figures out a way to bypass personality? 0.98
02:23:01.000 Like, personality's overrated. 0.99
02:23:02.000 We figured out a way to make the perfect personality.
02:23:04.000 This is the formula.
02:23:05.000 Run with it.
02:23:06.000 Everyone's going to love you.
02:23:08.000 Did you see that movie about Ex Machina?
02:23:11.000 Yes, it was amazing.
02:23:12.000 You know, that's kind of the conceit of that, right?
02:23:14.000 Yes.
02:23:14.000 So the sort of the billionaire kind of leader, the Mark Zuckerberg type in that.
02:23:19.000 The way that he builds the artificial intelligence is by hoovering up all of your social media information from his kind of Facebook-style thing.
02:23:27.000 And I think you're right, that that could be one way of creating an artificial intelligence, to collect all of the communal inputs that we're putting in every single day on social media...
02:23:37.000 100%.
02:23:38.000 100% possible.
02:23:39.000 And learn those patterns.
02:23:41.000 Jamie, how many times?
02:23:42.000 I was just going to say, there's a specific episode of that show, Black Mirror, I've been trying to tell you about, that deals with this exact topic, where there's some sort of Android-created thing, and they take this guy's whole social media presence, and that's his new being.
02:23:56.000 He died.
02:23:57.000 I don't want to ruin all of it for you. 1.00
02:23:58.000 Shut up! 1.00
02:23:59.000 It's Donald Gleeson, right? 0.99
02:24:01.000 It's actually the same guy, the actor, that's in Ex Machina.
02:24:04.000 So it's a little bit...
02:24:05.000 Oh, that's right.
02:24:06.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:24:07.000 Which guy?
02:24:07.000 The millionaire guy?
02:24:09.000 No, the younger guy. 1.00
02:24:11.000 Fucked over. 0.99
02:24:11.000 Yeah. 0.99
02:24:12.000 He's a good actor.
02:24:12.000 I gotta get out of here, man.
02:24:14.000 I'm sorry.
02:24:14.000 We're out of time.
02:24:15.000 Hey, loved it.
02:24:16.000 Anytime.
02:24:17.000 Flew by, dude.
02:24:18.000 Always does.
02:24:18.000 It always does.
02:24:19.000 Always does.
02:24:19.000 So much fun.
02:24:20.000 Yeah, no, I love being here.
02:24:21.000 When are you back in town?
02:24:22.000 I don't know, but I'll call you. 0.99
02:24:24.000 Fucking holler at me. 0.99
02:24:25.000 Let's do it again, sir. 0.99
02:24:26.000 Man, I always will.
02:24:27.000 My friends, we'll be back tomorrow.
02:24:29.000 Oh, We The People Live and Josh Sepps on Twitter.
02:24:31.000 We the people live. 0.66
02:24:32.000 Just to whore myself out yet further. 1.00
02:24:34.000 Yeah, whore it up, baby. 1.00
02:24:36.000 Great. 0.99
02:24:36.000 Thanks, mate. 0.99
02:24:37.000 Tomorrow we'll be back with Alex Gray, a famed visionary artist. 0.98
02:24:41.000 Should be a goddamn blast. 1.00
02:24:44.000 See you then, you fucks. 1.00