The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #809 - Aubrey Marcus

00:00:04.000 Hello, world.

00:00:05.000 What's up?

00:00:06.000 What's going on, brother?

00:00:07.000 My man. 1.00

00:00:07.000 Back from fucking Canada. 1.00

00:00:09.000 Back from Canada. 1.00

00:00:10.000 That was awesome.

00:00:11.000 What was that experience like for you?

00:00:13.000 Well, that experience was...

00:00:15.000 Besides doing mushrooms and running around the woods by yourself?

00:00:18.000 That was the experience.

00:00:19.000 What do you mean?

00:00:20.000 How can you exclude that?

00:00:21.000 How can you exclude that from me?

00:00:23.000 That's like taking away a fighter's ability to talk about fighting. 1.00

00:00:26.000 Like, shit. 0.99

00:00:26.000 We were up in Canada bear hunting and Aubrey decides to do mushrooms and go run off into the woods. 0.99

00:00:34.000 Yeah, well, I had to check in, you know?

00:00:35.000 I understand.

00:00:36.000 See if I was on the right path.

00:00:38.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:00:39.000 Yeah, that was fucking, it was powerful, man. 1.00

00:00:41.000 Super powerful. 0.99

00:00:41.000 Because bears, as I was telling you, bears have come to me in my visions doing ayahuasca and everything since the drop. 0.99

00:00:47.000 Like, from the very first time I was doing ayahuasca, bears were coming to me and teaching me lessons and I was talking to them.

00:00:52.000 Like, what kind of lessons?

00:00:53.000 Man, the first time it came was the first time I did ayahuasca, and I saw this bear, and it was wrapped up in all these chains, and it was struggling against these, like, gold chains.

00:01:02.000 It was like a Mr. T bear. 0.96

00:01:03.000 It had, like, fucking crown and these, like, heavy gold chains, and he was, like, stuck, and it couldn't move. 0.99

00:01:08.000 And the bear, like, stops. 0.99

00:01:11.000 He was, like, kind of frantic trying to get out of these chains. 0.99

00:01:13.000 He stops and looks at me, and he goes, I remember when I was just a bear, and I didn't have to worry about all this shit. 0.97

00:01:19.000 And it was a lesson about the wealth that we have can become, like, a prison. 0.98

00:01:23.000 That holds us back and prevents us from being our true nature.

00:01:26.000 The bear's true nature is just being a bear. 1.00

00:01:28.000 Chasing after shit, eating shit, climbing trees. 1.00

00:01:30.000 But the wealth that it accumulated prevented it from doing that. 1.00

00:01:34.000 What a bizarre...

00:01:35.000 Weird, right?

00:01:35.000 What is that?

00:01:36.000 Who's teaching you that?

00:01:38.000 Is that your imagination?

00:01:40.000 Is that...

00:01:40.000 What's going on with that?

00:01:42.000 I have no idea.

00:01:44.000 It just appeared to me...

00:01:46.000 That's the funny thing.

00:01:47.000 It's so strange.

00:01:48.000 It feels real like this is a spirit guy teaching you, but it very well could be your imagination.

00:01:52.000 But man, I'm not that creative to think about a bear in gold chains telling me a lesson about wealth.

00:01:58.000 I have a thought on that.

00:01:59.000 We look at the imagination.

00:02:02.000 And we say, oh, he's just imagining things.

00:02:04.000 But everything in the world is from the imagination.

00:02:06.000 Every building, every airplane, every car, every piece of clothing, every computer, everything came out of the imagination.

00:02:13.000 Everything. 0.95

00:02:14.000 I think the imagination is something really fucking weird. 0.56

00:02:18.000 I think we've somehow or another... 0.79

00:02:21.000 We've almost like, I don't want to say we underestimate it, but we underrate it.

00:02:25.000 We put it into this weird little category like it's a silly thing.

00:02:29.000 Oh, you're just imagining.

00:02:30.000 And that allows it to operate.

00:02:33.000 And by underrating it or by undervaluing it, it allows it to sort of roam free and do all of its work.

00:02:41.000 But it's responsible for creating everything that we see that humans have ever done in the world.

00:02:46.000 Yeah.

00:02:47.000 It gets interesting for me, too.

00:02:49.000 And you think about these mythical creatures like Bigfoots and dragons and things like that.

00:02:54.000 When we create them, we actually create the light, the neurons in our brain that form around that memory and that concept.

00:03:00.000 Even if we draw a monster, we've actually created that monster on like a micro scale inside our brain.

00:03:07.000 And it's just we value this macro scale of the world where it actually breathes and lives.

00:03:11.000 But we're actually assembling light in our brains to create that thing that we're imagining.

00:03:16.000 It's just on a very, very small level.

00:03:18.000 And it doesn't have the freedom and flexibility.

00:03:20.000 But we are really, truly creating entities all the time in our own brain.

00:03:25.000 Yeah, I really wondered about that with aliens.

00:03:28.000 With that archetypal alien, the iconic gray with the large black eyes.

00:03:35.000 Like, that thing's real now.

00:03:37.000 It's a real thing.

00:03:38.000 I mean, whether or not you ever meet one or whether or not one exists in a physical state where you could drag it in front of the National Enquirer photographers and get some good shots of it.

00:03:47.000 It's a real thing. 0.96

00:03:49.000 And what I mean by it's a real thing is, if you do mushrooms, you'll fucking see them. 0.98

00:03:53.000 You will see them. 0.98

00:03:55.000 And are you seeing them because you did mushrooms and you're hallucinating?

00:04:00.000 Or are you seeing them because we've created this archetype that plugs into the imagination easily?

00:04:07.000 And connects you to this thing, this imaginary world, or this world that...

00:04:14.000 See, I don't even like the word imaginary.

00:04:16.000 Because every time I've done a psychedelic, I don't like that word imaginary.

00:04:20.000 Because to me it seems like it's some sort of a frequency that you're tuning into where a real world exists that you can't bring back anything physical from.

00:04:30.000 You know what I mean?

00:04:32.000 And I feel like...

00:04:34.000 It's entirely possible that what we think of as these gray aliens, they're almost like a frequency of the universe that you can tune into, whether you're on psychedelics or whether you're dreaming, which is, of course, your brain producing its own psychedelics.

00:04:51.000 Your brain produces dimethyltryptamine while you're sleeping.

00:04:54.000 So these things that we think of as being all these imaginary things, like Aliens or bears that talk to you or...

00:05:04.000 Dragons. 0.99

00:05:05.000 Yeah, I wonder what the fuck that really is all about. 0.99

00:05:07.000 I think you're really onto something there. 0.98

00:05:09.000 It seems like there's this archetypal frequency.

00:05:12.000 Like a dragon is a being of unlimited power.

00:05:15.000 And we've imagined what that would look like visually.

00:05:17.000 If that were an animal, what does it look like?

00:05:20.000 And a dragon just fits that. 0.96

00:05:22.000 So fucking perfect with the wings and the scales. 0.98

00:05:25.000 Think Smog from Tolkien. 0.98

00:05:28.000 And you're looking at that and like, oh yeah, that fits that thing.

00:05:30.000 And you think about a cold, dispassionate, calculating machine that is dissecting you.

00:05:37.000 Then, oh yeah, Alien with the big eyes and the no nuts.

00:05:39.000 That fits that thing.

00:05:41.000 Totally. 0.97

00:05:43.000 No vagina either, by the way. 1.00

00:05:44.000 No, nothing. 1.00

00:05:45.000 They don't need that shit. 1.00

00:05:45.000 They're just dispatched of it. 1.00

00:05:47.000 So, it's just like we create this visual representation of this archetype.

00:05:52.000 Even Zeus.

00:05:53.000 Zeus should look like Zeus looks like.

00:05:56.000 We're good at matching the physical look of something to this concept that is kind of very real.

00:06:02.000 Yeah, we wouldn't trust Zeus if he had a dark goatee. 0.99

00:06:06.000 He's got to have a fucking white beard and white hair. 0.99

00:06:10.000 He always has white hair, right? 0.99

00:06:11.000 Have you ever seen Zeus without white hair? 1.00

00:06:13.000 Well, I mean, he turned into all kinds of shit. 1.00

00:06:14.000 He would turn into like a swan and rape somebody and like a golden mist and rape somebody. 1.00

00:06:19.000 He was like a mass rapist. 1.00

00:06:22.000 Constantly raping everybody. 1.00

00:06:24.000 He was the Bill Cosby of ancient gods. 0.99

00:06:26.000 He would go in as a golden rain. 1.00

00:06:29.000 He raped somebody. 0.99

00:06:30.000 Got her pregnant. 1.00

00:06:30.000 As golden rain. 1.00

00:06:31.000 Wow.

00:06:32.000 That's rude.

00:06:33.000 Yeah, seriously.

00:06:33.000 What's the defense against that?

00:06:34.000 Rape somebody as rain. 1.00

00:06:35.000 At least give him a heads up. 1.00

00:06:37.000 Who expects to go outside and just get raped by the rain? 1.00

00:06:41.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:06:42.000 No, it's also a convenient excuse if you got pregnant. 1.00

00:06:48.000 There was a sprinkle that was golden.

00:06:50.000 I think it's Zeus. 0.97

00:06:52.000 He's raping a dude there. 1.00

00:06:54.000 What's he doing in that dude's dick? 1.00

00:06:55.000 Oh, he was cutting off his dad's dick. 1.00

00:06:57.000 Oh, good lord. 1.00

00:06:58.000 Kronos was the titan. 1.00

00:07:00.000 They were always cutting off each other's dick. 1.00

00:07:02.000 And then they would throw one. 1.00

00:07:03.000 I think he threw one into the ocean and it created some other titan or something like that. 1.00

00:07:07.000 Cut his own dad's dick off. 1.00

00:07:08.000 Life was hard back then, man. 1.00

00:07:11.000 That was a hard world those people lived in.

00:07:14.000 Yeah, for sure. 1.00

00:07:15.000 Bunch of dick-cutting assholes. 1.00

00:07:17.000 No doubt. 1.00

00:07:18.000 Yeah.

00:07:19.000 I really do wonder, like, what...

00:07:22.000 I mean, there's...

00:07:23.000 It is an empty wonder.

00:07:26.000 There's no end to it.

00:07:27.000 There's no way you're ever going to solve.

00:07:29.000 No one's going to say, oh, we figured out exactly what's happening when you're tripping on mushrooms, and here is what it is.

00:07:36.000 And this is why you see these things, and this is what those things actually are, and this is the part of your brain that creates them, and they're absolutely not real.

00:07:44.000 I don't know.

00:07:46.000 Yeah, well, there's the materialist reductionist point of view, like something that Sam Harris could explain very well.

00:07:51.000 All right, when you take psilocybin, the default mode network of your brain gets starves of blood, which starves it of oxygen, which downregulates it, allowing the other parts of your brain to come forward.

00:07:59.000 Like, got it.

00:08:01.000 But then take some.

00:08:03.000 Let's see.

00:08:03.000 And then see how that feels, what comes through.

00:08:07.000 Yeah, well, there's a chemical process, right?

00:08:09.000 But then there's the experience.

00:08:11.000 And the experiencing itself, this is, I mean, if you've heard me say this before, but this is kind of important.

00:08:16.000 The experience is exactly the same, whether or not it's in a physical form, or whether or not it's something that happens to you while you're tripping.

00:08:22.000 The experience is the same.

00:08:24.000 Like, if you have a trip, and during that trip, you meet a golden serpent that explains the universe to you, and it explains that Every single person is in fact a representation of what we think of as love.

00:08:40.000 Love or a god or creativity or some divine force that is pushing forward improvement and innovation and that that is the reason why life today is so much different than it was 30 years ago or 30 years before that or 300 years before that it will constantly keep improving and it is the way of the universe.

00:09:01.000 If you have that in a psychedelic trip, it's exactly the same as if it happens to you.

00:09:07.000 If you go to a field and a dragon rises out of a marsh and confronts you with all of the problems of your personality and all the mysteries of the past and gives you an understanding and a blueprint for how to move forward with your life and then goes back in the swamp,

00:09:25.000 it's exactly the same as if you're tripping.

00:09:27.000 The experience is the same.

00:09:30.000 Well, we found the dragon.

00:09:32.000 We've located him on GPS. On Google Earth, you can see the dragon moving through the marsh.

00:09:36.000 It's a real dragon.

00:09:38.000 It doesn't matter physically if it's a real dragon.

00:09:41.000 The experience is the same.

00:10:03.000 And the impact that it has.

00:10:05.000 It does feel real to you.

00:10:06.000 And the information you're getting and the experiences you have, it changes you.

00:10:10.000 It's not like you put it in this dream world like, oh, that was weird.

00:10:13.000 I saw this person naked in my dream.

00:10:16.000 It's different.

00:10:17.000 That feels kind of like random, like you're just shaking up some dice and throwing it.

00:10:21.000 This stuff comes to you in a way that just leaves a significant impact.

00:10:25.000 Yeah, and the scientific reductionist point of view is really important because we really do need to understand what's the chemical process that's going on in the brain when you consume, you know, whatever, peyote, whatever it is.

00:10:37.000 We need to understand.

00:10:38.000 I mean, it's fascinating and it's important for research and it's important that science keeps moving forward, the greater and greater understanding of the mind, but...

00:10:47.000 You can't discount what is happening as a human, as a person, as an entity with consciousness, what's happening during that experience.

00:10:58.000 Like, you really are.

00:10:59.000 You can really talk to God.

00:11:01.000 You really can meet him.

00:11:02.000 For sure.

00:11:03.000 I mean, you and I have met him together.

00:11:04.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:11:05.000 Or met whatever the fuck we met, whatever that is. 0.94

00:11:08.000 When you're in the DMT realm, I don't know what that is, but it... 1.00

00:11:13.000 If there's a God that's cooler than that, holy shit. 0.99

00:11:17.000 And that's the thing. 0.99

00:11:18.000 The stories are not inconsistent.

00:11:21.000 You'll go to these ayahuasca retreats, you'll have 20 people, and seven of them will talk to God.

00:11:26.000 That's the same dude they're describing.

00:11:28.000 It doesn't matter what religion background they come from.

00:11:30.000 You hadn't pre-discussed what this notion is.

00:11:33.000 It's like the wisdom that comes through from that element, source, or whatever you want to call it, God, or If you talk to Mother Earth, the wisdom is all consistent, and it's weird that way.

00:11:43.000 You never hear something like, man, that's strange.

00:11:46.000 It's really contradictory to what he told me.

00:11:49.000 I would like to see some people given DMT, preferably the way Strassman does it. 0.80

00:11:56.000 Minus the anal plug. 0.98

00:11:57.000 That made him think that aliens were sodomizing him? 1.00

00:12:00.000 There was an anal plug? 1.00

00:12:01.000 There was like an anal thermometer. 0.99

00:12:03.000 Oh, to check your core temperature? 0.98

00:12:04.000 Yeah, that's not good. 0.96

00:12:05.000 Yeah, it had everybody thinking that aliens were raping him, Zeus style. 0.92

00:12:09.000 Not the best idea. 0.98

00:12:10.000 Yeah, well, there you go.

00:12:12.000 Like, why is that? 0.99

00:12:13.000 Why are we thinking that aliens are raping us? 1.00

00:12:15.000 Because there's something in your butt that's obviously a thermometer. 1.00

00:12:19.000 Are you giving knowledge if there's a thermometer in your butt before you go in there? 1.00

00:12:23.000 You are, right? 0.99

00:12:24.000 Do they whisper in your ear?

00:12:25.000 I mean, I don't know. 0.98

00:12:27.000 The world itself is so fucking slippery. 0.83

00:12:31.000 Just the world itself. 0.94

00:12:32.000 The idea that I'm looking at you through my eyes, we're making noises with our faces, and somehow or another we're translating this back and forth to each other through this thing, which is a microphone which works in a way that neither you nor I can describe to anybody.

00:12:45.000 Jamie probably can.

00:12:46.000 It goes through these wires, and it's going wirelessly out into people's phones.

00:12:51.000 I mean, these people that are streaming it right now, live, with their phone, in their car, driving around, 4G, LTE. The fucking world is slippery as shit. 1.00

00:13:00.000 It is. 1.00

00:13:01.000 It's amazing how fast we adapt, though.

00:13:03.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

00:13:04.000 Humans are really good at adapting to this new shit that comes in. 0.99

00:13:07.000 We almost adapt so fast that we take it for granted way earlier than we should. 0.99

00:13:11.000 It's like, oh, yeah, that thing.

00:13:13.000 Cool.

00:13:13.000 Got it.

00:13:14.000 Yeah, there was an article about that recently, about how primate brains are sort of predisposed to being able to adapt incredibly quickly.

00:13:22.000 And that sort of makes sense if you look at the wide variety of cultures throughout the world and what they think is normal, what they accept, like those women in Africa that have those giant plates in their lips. 0.95

00:13:38.000 How did that get going?

00:13:40.000 The necks that they would stretch out.

00:13:42.000 They'd stretch their necks out so far and they'd have those things that their necks couldn't support themselves. 0.94

00:13:46.000 Yeah, there it is.

00:13:47.000 The primate brain is pre-adapted to face potentially any situation.

00:13:51.000 It's a really interesting article, and I'm not going to do a good job of it without someone reading it, but that's the title of it.

00:13:58.000 It's on phys.org, phys.org, and the title is The Primate Brain is Pre-Adapted to Face Potentially Any Situation, and it just talks about how your brain Sort of calculates potential outcomes and all these different variables that could possibly take place.

00:14:15.000 So when it moves into that direction, it starts to set the landscape.

00:14:19.000 Yeah.

00:14:19.000 Well, you look at how we developed and you look at something like the genetic bottleneck theory where these big cataclysms would happen, dramatically reduce the human population.

00:14:27.000 You're dealing with these macro changes on a global level.

00:14:30.000 Well, the most flexible and adaptive are going to survive. 0.67

00:14:33.000 The stubborn asses are like, nope, I'm not leaving my forest. 0.82

00:14:36.000 My forest is my home. 0.99

00:14:37.000 This is...

00:14:38.000 This is my land.

00:14:39.000 This is my land. 1.00

00:14:40.000 Like, fuck that. 1.00

00:14:40.000 The forest is burning. 1.00

00:14:41.000 You've got to go to the ocean.

00:14:42.000 You've got to figure out how to fish quick.

00:14:44.000 There's food in the water.

00:14:46.000 Figure out how to get that food on land into your belly.

00:14:48.000 Yeah, or you're not going to make it.

00:14:49.000 You're not going to make it.

00:14:50.000 And those are the humans that have survived.

00:14:52.000 So that trait will continue to be one of the most important traits.

00:14:56.000 And obviously it comes to the surface in these large-scale events.

00:15:00.000 Yeah, that's why I've always laughed.

00:15:02.000 Like, I told you, and I know you rented a place there recently, too.

00:15:06.000 I've rented a place in Malibu for a while on the beach. 0.99

00:15:09.000 And I'm like, what the fuck kind of place is this? 0.98

00:15:12.000 Like, you're just banking that something that's constantly changing and moving and growing is going to stick around long enough for your investment to pan out. 0.99

00:15:21.000 Yeah.

00:15:21.000 You know, because you made an investment.

00:15:23.000 Like, these houses are worth fucking millions of dollars, and there's no yard in the back because it's just the ocean. 0.94

00:15:30.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:15:30.000 And without a doubt, that ocean is going to keep moving forward. 0.97

00:15:34.000 It's without a doubt.

00:15:35.000 It's just like, how much time do you have?

00:15:37.000 It's like a long real estate game of musical chairs.

00:15:40.000 Yeah.

00:15:41.000 Yeah.

00:15:41.000 I mean, I was at the house and the waves would hit underneath the house so hard that the house would shake around 4am.

00:15:47.000 So it was like a planned 4am high tide earthquake of the waves hitting it.

00:15:52.000 You're just like, you're counting on the fact that there isn't that rogue 15 footer that comes in and just wipes out your whole window. 0.97

00:15:59.000 I fucked up, because the first day, literally the first day we stayed there, I got barbecued. 0.98

00:16:05.000 Like barbecued on edibles. 0.99

00:16:08.000 And we were downstairs.

00:16:10.000 There's three floors to this house we were renting, and the first floor was literally the water.

00:16:15.000 You could open the window and jump into the water, and it's a four-foot drop.

00:16:20.000 And I'm not exaggerating. 0.99

00:16:21.000 It's fucking ridiculous. 0.99

00:16:23.000 And in the daytime, it looks so amazing. 1.00

00:16:27.000 It's so beautiful and blue and lovely and you see the birds and the waves are so gentle and inviting but at nighttime in the dark it becomes a monster a giant dark black uncaring beast that will swallow you whole and not give a fuck It's absorbed a billion people before you. 0.98

00:16:50.000 It'll absorb you just as easy. 0.90

00:16:52.000 And you realize the true nature of it when it's dark.

00:16:56.000 When it's dark, you go, oh, this is like another world.

00:17:00.000 It's like as if...

00:17:01.000 If you could get a high-rise, and that high-rise could hit the edge of an alternative galaxy.

00:17:08.000 It's like if you could climb on top of your roof and throw rocks into the event horizon of a black hole and it would disappear into another galaxy.

00:17:17.000 That's almost what it's like.

00:17:19.000 It's like, it's another world!

00:17:20.000 Yeah, and the farther you get out into the deep, the crazier it gets, right?

00:17:24.000 Because there's no limit on the depth. 0.97

00:17:26.000 You're going over one of those chasms that are miles deep, and they have no fucking idea what animals are in there. 0.56

00:17:32.000 And that's where these ideas of these krakens, these beasts of the deep, would come, because it plays with our subconscious. 0.86

00:17:38.000 It's outer space, but in our planet and underneath us in the water.

00:17:42.000 So you're just looking at this Like, man, something could definitely come up there and eat me.

00:17:46.000 Especially, you know, you don't have enough vitamin C, you're getting too much sun, you're a little delirious.

00:17:51.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:17:51.000 And all of a sudden you're fucking seeing mermaids and sea monsters and shit. 0.99

00:17:55.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:17:56.000 Yeah.

00:17:57.000 They've found cracking suction cups.

00:18:01.000 What do they call those things?

00:18:02.000 What do they call the suction cups? 1.00

00:18:04.000 Suckers, I think.

00:18:05.000 Tentacles. 1.00

00:18:05.000 I think it's just suckers. 1.00

00:18:06.000 They found them in fossilized form that would indicate something that's well over a hundred foot octopus.

00:18:13.000 So that was a real animal at one point in time.

00:18:17.000 So this idea of the crack...

00:18:18.000 The problem with those things is when they die, they just die.

00:18:21.000 Like they're a soft tissue animal.

00:18:23.000 All they have is a beak and that gets absorbed by the ocean too.

00:18:27.000 So there's virtually no evidence other than these fossilized suction cups that they found. 0.99

00:18:32.000 But when they found them, they went, holy shit. 0.99

00:18:36.000 Because you're talking about, you know, like fucking garbage can lids that are suction cups. 1.00

00:18:41.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:18:41.000 And you just think like, well, how big is the fucking tentacle, man? 0.99

00:18:45.000 Jesus Christ! 1.00

00:18:46.000 It's like an aggressive garbage disposal, what that is.

00:18:48.000 All the tentacles grab everything that is soft enough to get chomped by that beat.

00:18:53.000 Grab it! 0.97

00:18:54.000 Push it in! 1.00

00:18:55.000 And smart as fuck! 1.00

00:18:56.000 And fast! 1.00

00:18:57.000 Well, there was another article recently where these scientists were saying that essentially, octopuses are aliens.

00:19:03.000 There is nothing like them.

00:19:05.000 They have more chromosomes than any other observed animal.

00:19:08.000 They're different than any observed animal.

00:19:10.000 Besides cuttlefish, their ability to rapidly adapt and camouflage themselves to their environment is unprecedented.

00:19:19.000 They change their texture.

00:19:20.000 They change what they look like.

00:19:22.000 I had Remy Warren on, who's a great guy, and he has a television show called Apex Predator.

00:19:29.000 And one of his Apex Predator episodes, in his show, he's a hunter, and he used to be on this show called Solo Hunter, where he would go by himself with a bunch of cameras and just go deep, deep into the woods and hunt, and capture this experience in this really remote forest in a really cool way,

00:19:49.000 because it was literally just him, Survivorman-style, With a few cameras set up and hunting and then cooking the food and eating it and heading back and running into some like weird difficulties and dangers and strange animals while he's out there too.

00:20:01.000 But he did an episode on octopus and he came in and was talking to us about it and it fucking blew my mind.

00:20:06.000 I had no idea.

00:20:08.000 You know, I was 47, 48 years old. 1.00

00:20:10.000 I had no idea that a fucking octopus could do that. 1.00

00:20:12.000 They can change like that, like instantaneously. 0.99

00:20:16.000 I think I've told this story on here before, but I got to see one in Fiji and watch this Fijian man.

00:20:22.000 Yeah.

00:20:44.000 But not an octopus, man. 1.00

00:20:45.000 That shit is instantaneous. 0.99

00:20:47.000 And when he was fighting it, so he eventually goes down there, jams his hand in there, and the octopus bites him. 0.99

00:20:54.000 There's blood in the water.

00:20:54.000 It was this crazy struggle.

00:20:55.000 But eventually he jams his hand back in there, pulls the octopus out, and when he was fighting with the octopus on the surface, the octopus knew to go for his airway.

00:21:05.000 It kept wrapping its tentacles around his mouth and his nose as he was trying to get this thing off his head.

00:21:11.000 It knew exactly what it was doing.

00:21:13.000 It was pulling off...

00:21:14.000 So he eventually wrestles his snorkel-free and starts beating it to get it to calm down.

00:21:19.000 And he brought it to the shore and barbecued it. 0.98

00:21:21.000 Now, everybody else was just fucking horrified at this show because it was completely savage. 0.96

00:21:25.000 I mean, it was the octopus trying to choke the airway of this primate and this primate being stronger and... 0.97

00:21:38.000 I like octopus, it's delicious, but I think I might back off that. 0.99

00:21:42.000 They might be a little too fucking smart for me to be eating them. 0.96

00:21:46.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:21:46.000 But that's, you know, that's, again, that bias of all of the things. 0.98

00:21:50.000 Like, if people say, oh, no, this animal's too intelligent to eat, but they're a pescatarian, well, they're probably eating the fuck out of some octopus. 0.98

00:21:57.000 Right. 0.94

00:21:57.000 Which are way smarter than a deer. 0.94

00:21:59.000 That's a good point.

00:21:59.000 You know, like, so it's just a weird, it's a whole weird dynamic that we have of what we decide we should or couldn't do.

00:22:05.000 Right.

00:22:05.000 Well, here's a good point for people that are vegans.

00:22:08.000 If you are a vegan and you're thinking you need some form of protein other than, like, look at this thing, killing a shark.

00:22:17.000 If you need some sort of protein other than ethically raised chickens, eggs.

00:22:24.000 Which is, you know, harmless and doesn't hurt anybody.

00:22:26.000 But mollusks, apparently, there's a real good argument that they are incapable of feeling any pain at all. 1.00

00:22:33.000 They don't have any fear.

00:22:34.000 They have zero emotions.

00:22:35.000 They have zero reaction.

00:22:37.000 They have one instinctive reaction to close their shell, and that's it.

00:22:40.000 Like, they're barely an animal.

00:22:43.000 Get you some cashew milk clam chowder.

00:22:45.000 Yeah.

00:22:46.000 Well, clam chowder's got milk in it.

00:22:48.000 That's why I said cashew milk.

00:22:50.000 Oh, that's right.

00:22:50.000 Okay.

00:22:51.000 Cashew milk?

00:22:51.000 Have you had this?

00:22:52.000 No, I just made it up.

00:22:53.000 But somebody do it.

00:22:54.000 Someone's in Austin right now.

00:22:56.000 Someone's opening up a restaurant. 1.00

00:22:57.000 Cashew milk, clam chowder, fucking food truck. 0.99

00:23:00.000 But like scallops? 0.99

00:23:03.000 Scallops are probably the most delicious food on the planet.

00:23:06.000 Like pound for pound?

00:23:08.000 Yeah.

00:23:08.000 They're right up there.

00:23:09.000 And if they're just like a meat thing, it's like...

00:23:12.000 Essentially, what I'm saying is, they're like, you know how they have these scientists that are developing meat in laboratory dishes?

00:23:19.000 They're that with a hard shell.

00:23:22.000 You can eat them vegans.

00:23:23.000 With convenience to go packaging.

00:23:24.000 Because I know a lot of vegans that are absolutely nutritionally deficient.

00:23:30.000 They're not getting enough vitamin D. They're not getting enough D3. They're not getting enough B12. They're definitely not getting enough essential fatty acids unless they're scooping coconut oil and almond butter into their mouth every day.

00:23:41.000 Yeah, CLA. Yeah.

00:23:43.000 And, you know, they're committed to the cause, and so they're just physically not doing the best because of it.

00:23:49.000 Yeah.

00:23:50.000 I mean, you start, as you've done, you've talked about the intelligence in plants.

00:23:54.000 You start looking at that, and then versus a mollusk.

00:23:57.000 They're way smarter than a mollusk. 0.87

00:23:59.000 Yeah.

00:23:59.000 Our mollusks and plants, they're possibly fairly equivalent.

00:24:03.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:24:04.000 So your whole cause of why you're not eating them gets a little blurry when you start to think, all right, well, plants are smart as shit, and mollusks are mollusks, and they're probably equivalent. 0.97

00:24:15.000 Just one has the ability to move slightly more than the other one. 0.96

00:24:19.000 Yeah, the movement thing is something that we cling to.

00:24:22.000 What we essentially cling to is things that are closest to us. 0.93

00:24:25.000 Like, we really don't give a fuck about fish.

00:24:28.000 Like, we're worried about people killing all the fish in the ocean, we're worried about the depletion of the ocean, but when a little kid catches a fish, you go and look at the Instagram page, there's no hate. 0.96

00:24:40.000 A little kid shoots a bear. 0.98

00:24:41.000 Back the fuck up. 0.98

00:24:43.000 You don't even want to read those comments. 0.98

00:24:45.000 If someone eats a bear, like, whoa, that's too close to a dog.

00:24:50.000 Dog's my friend.

00:24:51.000 Dogs are just like people.

00:24:52.000 Sally's my baby.

00:24:53.000 She's a dog. 0.97

00:24:54.000 And the bear's just like Sally.

00:24:55.000 And I can't eat a bear.

00:24:56.000 Yeah, it's just anthropomorphization.

00:24:59.000 Just putting human traits on different animals, which I can totally see.

00:25:03.000 There's some animals that...

00:25:05.000 We seem more human-like.

00:25:06.000 We recognize more attributes than other animals.

00:25:19.000 They're like probably my favorite animals ever. 0.97

00:25:21.000 They're the fucking coolest things of all time. 0.99

00:25:23.000 They have these packs. 0.99

00:25:25.000 They mate for life. 1.00

00:25:26.000 They get together and fucking... 1.00

00:25:28.000 They have like this social group. 1.00

00:25:30.000 They have this really complex method of hunting where they communicate with each other.

00:25:35.000 They howl out to each other and they have like a roll call.

00:25:38.000 I mean, they're a complex, really intense society.

00:25:42.000 Yeah.

00:25:42.000 I won't hold it against them that they mate for life.

00:25:44.000 I mean...

00:25:46.000 I'll excuse him that.

00:25:47.000 It's a pretty amazing animal. 0.99

00:25:48.000 It's because their life is hard as fuck, and it doesn't last long. 1.00

00:25:51.000 You can't be a pimp. 0.99

00:25:52.000 But apparently there's a documentary about a wolf, and ironically enough, it's called The Black Wolf, and there was a black wolf that apparently wasn't following any of the rules.

00:26:02.000 And this wolf would go across the highway, away from the rest of the pack, and lure the women over to him.

00:26:10.000 And he was banging these women, and female wolves, obviously, not women, human.

00:26:15.000 I'm really anthropomorphizing now. 0.99

00:26:19.000 Bitches, actually. 1.00

00:26:20.000 Yeah, actual bitches, yeah. 1.00

00:26:22.000 And wouldn't, the right way of saying it. 1.00

00:26:24.000 And wouldn't mate, and wouldn't find a mate for life until he was old. 1.00

00:26:29.000 And then when he's old, he's like, all right, come back and start running shit. 0.98

00:26:32.000 And then when he's old, he came back, got a mate, started running things, and just sort of settled down. 0.98

00:26:38.000 But it was interesting, it's like this wolf had chosen a different way of life.

00:26:43.000 There's a documentary on it.

00:26:44.000 It's interesting because, you know, in all of these ayahuasca trips and all of these things, I've talked to animals of all kinds of variety.

00:26:52.000 And again, this could be just pure imagination.

00:26:54.000 But in that, you know, they always have lessons or things that we discuss.

00:26:59.000 Common themes is the amount of free will that the animal has.

00:27:03.000 So when I talk to the insects, and you don't talk to one insect, you talk to the insect overmind.

00:27:08.000 Again, this could all just be my imagination, but it helps me understand things a bit.

00:27:11.000 You talk to the insect overmind, and the insects say, basically, we are like the trash keepers of the world.

00:27:18.000 We have no flexibility for free will. 0.99

00:27:20.000 If we all decided to go on strike, the world's fucked. 0.98

00:27:22.000 Nothing gets decomposed. 0.99

00:27:23.000 There's no spare parts.

00:27:24.000 We run out of spare parts for the world.

00:27:26.000 Nothing else gets built. 1.00

00:27:28.000 The whole thing goes to shit. 0.99

00:27:29.000 The food source at the very bottom. 1.00

00:27:30.000 So we have no free will.

00:27:32.000 We're perfect creatures acting in perfect accordance with the laws of nature to allow it to happen. 0.94

00:27:38.000 Where you get these things like the automatons, like the digger wasps that No matter how much you fuck with things, they'll try to do the same thing over and over again. 0.61

00:27:45.000 Well, really, that's perfect because it's doing absolutely what it must. 0.78

00:27:49.000 And then you go on up the chain towards the mammals, and there gets to be greater and greater access to free will.

00:27:55.000 So you talk to, like I've talked to dolphins, and dolphin spirit was like super happy, playful, and they said, you know, dolphins are one of the best existences of all because we have...

00:28:04.000 Greater access to free will.

00:28:06.000 We can choose to play. 1.00

00:28:07.000 We can choose to fuck. 1.00

00:28:08.000 We can choose these different elements. 0.99

00:28:10.000 Getting food is easy.

00:28:11.000 And it's also how easy it is to get food.

00:28:13.000 Like, getting food is easy for us.

00:28:14.000 You know, there's not a lot of natural predators.

00:28:16.000 So we have kind of the ultimate existence.

00:28:19.000 And we don't have the human brain, which is the ultimate saboteur.

00:28:22.000 You know, it's our own minds that lock us in these depressions and anxieties and hells.

00:28:27.000 Yeah.

00:28:36.000 Yeah.

00:28:38.000 Yeah.

00:28:41.000 Yeah.

00:28:45.000 Yeah, we were talking about this on the ride when we were in Edmonton, or in Alberta rather, and it was really interesting because we were talking about, was it Ben O'Brien that was telling us about a queen that got stuck in someone's car?

00:29:00.000 Yeah, a queen bee that got stuck in a car.

00:29:02.000 A queen bee got stuck in someone's car and the colony followed them for like 20 miles, some insane amount of distance. 0.93

00:29:11.000 And, you know, this guy was just getting fucking followed by bees and couldn't figure out what the hell was going on. 0.94

00:29:15.000 Well, they had a mandate. 0.98

00:29:18.000 There was no free will.

00:29:20.000 There was no discussion whether or not, well, I'm tired of flying.

00:29:24.000 Like, they were just going to fly to the end.

00:29:26.000 And they flew and found this guy's car. 1.00

00:29:30.000 With the fucking queen in it. 1.00

00:29:31.000 I don't know how it got resolved. 1.00

00:29:33.000 Or how they knew exactly.

00:29:34.000 It follows that that would be the behavior.

00:29:39.000 Because they don't have the flexibility to do that.

00:29:42.000 Because everything would fall apart.

00:29:43.000 They're like the perfect robots of...

00:29:46.000 Of life.

00:29:47.000 And I think, you know, you start talking about these distinctions between life and, you know, artificial intelligence life.

00:29:53.000 I think, really, consciousness and free will are inexorably linked.

00:29:57.000 Like, that is kind of the key component.

00:30:00.000 You know, like, yes, these insects are alive, but are they fully conscious?

00:30:04.000 You know, well, I think it really depends on their access to free will, their ability to make a choice.

00:30:09.000 I think that is the defining characteristic of consciousness, is choice.

00:30:13.000 Well, that's another weird thing about people that are really into animals.

00:30:18.000 Like, we'll make a distinction between animals and insects. 0.98

00:30:22.000 Like, I have friends that just fucking love animals. 0.99

00:30:25.000 They adopt dogs and cats, but they'll fucking kill any bug that's on their counter. 1.00

00:30:31.000 You know, they'll see a bug on their counter, they just, oh, you bitch, you're dead. 1.00

00:30:35.000 Could be a random harmless beetle. 1.00

00:30:37.000 It's over!

00:30:38.000 If, like, a mosquito lands on them, slap!

00:30:41.000 Yeah.

00:30:41.000 You know, there's no negotiating with insects.

00:30:44.000 You can find an insect.

00:30:46.000 But they won't eat them, which is weird.

00:30:49.000 You know, that's one of those weird things.

00:30:50.000 Like those cricket protein bars?

00:30:51.000 Yeah.

00:30:52.000 Well, you know, vegans don't eat bugs.

00:30:55.000 They don't eat animal protein.

00:30:56.000 They're responsible for the death.

00:30:58.000 Listen, I'm not trying to put this on you guys.

00:31:01.000 If you're a vegan, you're like, here he goes again!

00:31:03.000 If you buy grain from a store, you are directly responsible for the death of countless bugs, countless rodents.

00:31:12.000 Who knows how many rabbits, who knows how many deer fawns.

00:31:15.000 If you buy anything that is indiscriminately collected with a combine, and that's how they get grain.

00:31:21.000 They have these huge machines.

00:31:23.000 If you've never seen it before, Jamie, pull up a grain combine in action.

00:31:28.000 Because it's like, whoa, that is some alien machine sent down to shear the earth. 0.96

00:31:35.000 It's kind of fucking, it's a weird way we do it. 0.96

00:31:38.000 I mean, we used to do it with like the Grim Reaper sickle. 0.99

00:31:41.000 You know, that's how they used to do it.

00:31:42.000 That cool thing with the two handles on it.

00:31:44.000 Is that what it is?

00:31:45.000 A scythe.

00:31:45.000 What's the difference between a sickle and a scythe?

00:31:48.000 Sickle's the Russian thing, right? 0.93

00:31:49.000 Yeah.

00:31:49.000 What is that one?

00:31:50.000 I think it's a little smaller one.

00:31:51.000 That's a handheld jammy?

00:31:52.000 I think so, yeah.

00:31:55.000 But when they use those things, it's really, it's that, that's only one aspect of one of the things that's problematic about large-scale collecting of food. 0.99

00:32:05.000 But look at this fucking thing. 0.99

00:32:06.000 This enormous machine. 1.00

00:32:08.000 And this is not even a big one.

00:32:10.000 That's a fairly small one.

00:32:12.000 They have ones that are like a football field wide.

00:32:15.000 Yeah, like the mega farms.

00:32:15.000 Yeah, this is like something like if you had a small farm you would do, but anything that's in there is getting chewed up.

00:32:22.000 And one of the things about fawns, it's really unfortunate, but fawns, when they're young, they will lie down in these fields and they don't move because they can't outrun any predators.

00:32:34.000 So their strategy is to just not move and hope something doesn't find them.

00:32:38.000 And that's also why...

00:32:40.000 They have those, the coloration on their body is very different.

00:32:43.000 They have the white spots, which is kind of nature's version of some sort of form of camouflage to blend in.

00:32:49.000 But those poor fawns get chewed up in those things all the time. 1.00

00:32:54.000 I have a friend who has a large-scale corn farm in Illinois.

00:33:00.000 And they make corn mostly for livestock.

00:33:05.000 They grow corn for livestock.

00:33:06.000 And they have those giant huge ones.

00:33:08.000 And they just chew fawns up all the time. 1.00

00:33:10.000 I think the problem that a lot of people make is they attribute morality to the actions You're taking rather than the intention behind it.

00:33:19.000 You know what I mean?

00:33:19.000 And I think people make that mistake a lot, really.

00:33:23.000 So is hunting good or bad? 0.95

00:33:25.000 Well, that's a ridiculous question to ask.

00:33:27.000 It depends on the intention of the hunter while he's doing it. 0.85

00:33:31.000 And I think that's why a lot of people reserve this kind of Native American idea, because...

00:33:40.000 Right, right.

00:33:58.000 People tend to lose that perspective.

00:34:00.000 So that's when I was in bear camp, that's what I needed to get straight, is what my intentions were.

00:34:06.000 If I was going after to hunt a bear so I would be cool and Cam would think I was cool and everybody in the hunting party would be like, yeah, well that was the wrong intention for me.

00:34:15.000 So that's what a lot of the work was.

00:34:17.000 That's what the part of what the Taking the Mushrooms was for, was to make sure that my intention in doing it was the right intention.

00:34:23.000 And what was that intention?

00:34:25.000 Well, to me it was some part meat acquisition.

00:34:27.000 I wanted to Have that experience of taking my own meat from the field, which was incredibly powerful for me the first time I hunted.

00:34:34.000 And then I wanted to be able to use the code and use the claws for jewelry and really connect with that.

00:34:42.000 So if that intention was leading, then it was a correct action for me.

00:34:46.000 If that intention was not leading and I was doing it to be cool or doing it because I was nervous or any other way, then it was an immoral act for me.

00:34:53.000 And that's to me how I just kind of sorted it out.

00:34:55.000 So I was able to get to that comfortable place where I knew that if the bear came, the right boar came, I was going to do it for the right intention.

00:35:04.000 Because I'd worked through all of the other forces and pressures, that desire to be cool or the desire for this or all these other reasons that would have made that act not cool.

00:35:13.000 I worked through those as best I could. 0.67

00:35:16.000 And so I knew if the bear came, I was comfortable killing it.

00:35:18.000 I had no idea in my head that this was the wrong thing because my intentions were right.

00:35:24.000 Well, also your intentions...

00:35:25.000 I mean, you had many opportunities to kill a bear, as did I. Oh, totally.

00:35:29.000 But what we go for is very big, mature bears for a couple reasons.

00:35:35.000 One, because very big, mature bears kill cubs. 0.99

00:35:38.000 It's one of the favorite things to eat when they come out of hibernation, which is really fucked up. 0.99

00:35:43.000 They actively hunt cubs. 0.99

00:35:45.000 They go for them.

00:35:45.000 They even go into dens and pull them out of dens and kill them.

00:35:50.000 There's a lot of debate as to why they do that.

00:35:53.000 The initial thought was that it brings the female back into estrus and that the bear can breed with the female and that way that bear is passing on his genetics.

00:36:02.000 But there's some scientists, some biologists, some wildlife biologists that believe they're just doing it for meat.

00:36:09.000 There's a lot of competition out there, and it's hard to get meat, and this is meat, and they've become accustomed to it.

00:36:15.000 Whether they're doing it because they're hungry, or whether they're doing it because they want the female to survive or come back into heat and breed again, either way, they're killing cubs.

00:36:26.000 And they're limiting the DNA. They're limiting the genetics. 0.90

00:36:30.000 And it's not good for the overall population of the bears.

00:36:34.000 So the idea is when you kill the large male boars, that what you're doing is you're actually enhancing the genetics of the area and you're saving the cubs.

00:36:45.000 So even though it seems counterintuitive, when you kill boars, you're actually increasing the population of bears.

00:36:52.000 It's really weird.

00:36:53.000 When you look at it outside of the world of hunting, when you don't have all the information at your fingerprints, you have this idea that hunters are like those bad guys in that Wolverine movie that were poisoning the bear.

00:37:06.000 Did you ever see that?

00:37:07.000 It's always in the movie. 1.00

00:37:08.000 They're always the assholes that are killing bears. 0.99

00:37:11.000 Meanwhile, Wolverine will sit down and eat a steak, and he's a good guy. 1.00

00:37:14.000 We're so fucking tortured and twisted when it comes to our morality. 0.66

00:37:19.000 But also, the big one is the population of the traditional game animals, like the moose and the deer and the elk. 0.99

00:37:28.000 They get decimated by bears.

00:37:29.000 Yeah.

00:37:30.000 And it's the fawns.

00:37:31.000 They kill all the fawns and all the calves.

00:37:35.000 And that's a huge problem in those regions like Alberta where we were, which is just overrun with bears.

00:37:42.000 I mean, had you ever imagined you were going to see that many bears?

00:37:44.000 Yeah.

00:37:45.000 I mean, the first night we were out there, there was...

00:37:47.000 Eight, nine different bears just cruising around.

00:37:50.000 Crazy.

00:37:50.000 All within 5 to 15, 20 yards.

00:37:53.000 Yeah, crazy.

00:37:54.000 It was insane.

00:37:55.000 You know, one of the stories that Cam told, I think, gave me one of the biggest lessons and takeaways of the trip for me was when he told about there was a mother with her cubs and the cubs were kind of cruising around and then a boar, a big male bear, came in and then killed one of the cubs.

00:38:11.000 And I think the mother, like, scared her off, scared off the boar.

00:38:14.000 And so there was just a dead cub that she had there.

00:38:17.000 And so for a moment, the mother kind of like wanders around and looked like she was like mourning the death of this cub, but just for a moment.

00:38:25.000 And then within minutes, you know, seconds, it was eating the cub.

00:38:29.000 The mother was eating her own cub. 0.91

00:38:31.000 And that was like a really, you know, we humans have this idea of this trauma that we carry.

00:38:35.000 Like if our kid got killed, you know, we would carry that trauma for the rest of our life.

00:38:40.000 But for the bear, yeah, there was a moment of recognition, but bears are constantly living in the present moment.

00:38:46.000 They're like the embodiment of the present moment.

00:38:48.000 And in the present moment, that death happened in the past.

00:38:51.000 That death was over.

00:38:52.000 What's there now is there's meat on the ground that'll feed her and provide, you know, an opportunity for her to live longer and provide for the rest of her cubs. 1.00

00:39:00.000 So it's a simple decision at that point if we don't carry the traumas of our past with us.

00:39:04.000 There's meat on the ground.

00:39:05.000 You eat the meat.

00:39:07.000 That simple thing.

00:39:09.000 And that way, it's why nature is really perfect, because nature is always in the present moment.

00:39:15.000 I was blasted on the mushrooms, and I went to that bear carcass near where Cam had killed his bear.

00:39:21.000 They had this just decomposing bear carcass.

00:39:23.000 Taking mushrooms and seeing a decomposing bear carcass with...

00:39:26.000 Well, it wasn't really that decomposing.

00:39:29.000 Like, was it one from the night before?

00:39:31.000 No, that was one from a week before.

00:39:32.000 Oh, okay.

00:39:33.000 Yeah, it was like there was another one that they'd already taken all the skin and all the meat off of.

00:39:37.000 So it was just the bones and the organs that were there.

00:39:41.000 And Cam, his bear was still nice.

00:39:43.000 It wasn't even smelling or anything.

00:39:44.000 It looked great, fresh.

00:39:46.000 But this other bear, which was right in the same area...

00:39:49.000 It was really interesting because I was very aware of the forest around it and I just looked at the forest around it and the forest was not mourning the death of the bear.

00:39:59.000 The forest was in the present moment.

00:40:00.000 It was just going about the business of returning that bear to spare parts.

00:40:04.000 It had no traumatic memory of that incident.

00:40:07.000 And it's really how nature acts perfectly because it's always in the present moment.

00:40:12.000 The body doesn't weep for the death of a cell.

00:40:15.000 Cells die all the time, but the body's in the present, so it just carries on.

00:40:19.000 It doesn't carry that trauma with it.

00:40:22.000 Ultimately, the forest doesn't weep for the death of the bear, and ultimately, the cosmos won't weep for the death of the earth when the sun explodes.

00:40:29.000 No.

00:40:30.000 You know, like everything will just be in the present.

00:40:32.000 And that's where the ease of all the suffering is.

00:40:37.000 So much of our own suffering is we're carrying all these dead bodies of the past with us all the time and these expectations of the future. 0.99

00:40:44.000 And that's where we get so fucked up. 0.56

00:40:45.000 But if we really look to nature, nature has this allure and this beauty because it's just constant presence embodied. 0.98

00:40:52.000 It's just looking on the bleeding edge of now and making decisions based upon that rather than these Mental constructs.

00:40:59.000 Yeah, it's this beautifully intense system.

00:41:01.000 That's just constantly moving.

00:41:03.000 It's just constantly moving forward It's one of the things that I find so attractive about wolves and I think many people do they're so romantic in that their their existence is so Vibrant and powerful and so brief, you know, if a wolf is super lucky they get to 10 You know,

00:41:20.000 they get you man.

00:41:22.000 Imagine, you know, I mean my middle daughter's eight years old and Wrap your head around that.

00:41:28.000 A wolf is almost dead.

00:41:29.000 I have a dog that's 10. He's almost done.

00:41:32.000 He's got gray all over his face and he limps when he walks now and he likes to lay down mostly.

00:41:39.000 That's a wolf, man.

00:41:40.000 10 years, that's all they got. 1.00

00:41:42.000 But during that 10 years, fuck they live! 1.00

00:41:45.000 They're just running and howling together and grabbing the back. 1.00

00:41:49.000 I mean, that's one of the crazy things about wolves, too, that I admire, in some sort of a real fucked-up way, that they kill for fun. 0.98

00:41:57.000 Like, they sport kill. 0.94

00:42:00.000 People that love animals, when you bring that up, they defend it to the death.

00:42:05.000 Oh, my God, they go off about it, and, well, the animals are probably sick, and they're taking them out.

00:42:10.000 Nope. 0.99

00:42:11.000 They're having a fucking blast. 1.00

00:42:13.000 They're running around and tearing these elk apart. 0.99

00:42:16.000 We were talking about it a couple weeks ago.

00:42:18.000 They found 19 dead elk that these wolves didn't even eat.

00:42:22.000 They call them surplus kills.

00:42:23.000 They just go on rampages. 0.85

00:42:25.000 I have a friend of mine who lives up in BC and he said they'll get into sheep.

00:42:32.000 They'll find a pen of sheep and they'll kill 19, 20 of them.

00:42:36.000 They just rip them apart. 1.00

00:42:37.000 They don't give a fuck. 1.00

00:42:38.000 They don't give a fuck. 1.00

00:42:39.000 They're just having fun. 0.99

00:42:41.000 It's part of what they are that we have this intense romantic connection to wolves.

00:42:46.000 It's like they have a little bit of us in them.

00:42:48.000 They have a little bit of party in them. 0.99

00:42:51.000 They're howling and shit and having a good old time and they have battles with each other to see who becomes the king. 1.00

00:42:59.000 Did you see that video recently of these folks who were in Canada and they were driving down the highway and as they were driving they saw these mountain goats running or sheep running away from a wolf and the wolf's chasing them and the wolf tackles the fucking sheep and kills it instantly right in front of them. 1.00

00:43:21.000 It's always He's fucking Canada. 0.99

00:43:22.000 Like, that Martin that killed the bear. 1.00

00:43:24.000 See if you can find it, though, because it's pretty cool.

00:43:26.000 And it's pretty cool to see.

00:43:28.000 Wolf takes out, uh, sheep.

00:43:30.000 Mountain, uh, yeah, Rocky Mountain sheep.

00:43:33.000 But when the wolf took out the sheep, he carries this thing up the side of the hill like you would carry, like, a five-year-old.

00:43:40.000 Yeah.

00:43:41.000 And it's, like, things, like, basically his size.

00:43:43.000 And he just grabs it with his face.

00:43:45.000 Here it is.

00:43:46.000 See?

00:43:48.000 See, he breaks away.

00:43:49.000 We'll back up a little bit so you can see and give us some volume.

00:43:56.000 Look at this.

00:43:58.000 It breaks off and watch this. 1.00

00:44:00.000 Bam, bitch! 1.00

00:44:01.000 That's a wrap! 1.00

00:44:02.000 Rips it apart instantly.

00:44:04.000 Look at that. 0.99

00:44:05.000 Instant death.

00:44:06.000 I mean, there's no quicker kill than a wolf and a sheep.

00:44:10.000 I mean, it's still breathing, but its neck is snapped and it's done. 0.99

00:44:15.000 Look at the fucking beautiful animal that wolf is. 0.99

00:44:18.000 Now watch when he grabs it. 1.00

00:44:19.000 He's like, get over here, bitch. 1.00

00:44:21.000 Look at this. 0.99

00:44:26.000 Don't open that window too wide. 1.00

00:44:27.000 Yeah, he might come and get you, bitch. 1.00

00:44:29.000 Well, he probably wouldn't know. 1.00

00:44:30.000 He's got that sheep right there. 1.00

00:44:32.000 People probably taste like shit. 1.00

00:44:33.000 Probably taste like Cheetos and cigarettes. 1.00

00:44:36.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:44:38.000 Yeah, the fucking animal is just... 1.00

00:44:40.000 It's such a... 1.00

00:44:41.000 Fucking majestic animal. 0.99

00:44:43.000 I think that's why we have such a lure to it. 1.00

00:44:46.000 People love animals so much is because they're not carrying around all the bullshit that we are.

00:44:51.000 They're just living full and presently and they're not straddled with these concepts of morality and these different things. 0.86

00:44:57.000 They're just living to the most of their directive.

00:44:59.000 It's like in the present you have the idea of eternity with you.

00:45:03.000 It's like you're not worried about this other stuff.

00:45:07.000 You just go. 0.98

00:45:08.000 And you just fucking live to the very fullest. 0.98

00:45:10.000 And we can count those moments that we have as our best moments in life. 0.99

00:45:14.000 And we can recall maybe dozens of times. 0.97

00:45:17.000 If we're lucky, there'll be hundreds of times in a normal person's life where they're just totally present, embodied, free, doing exactly what they fucking want to do.

00:45:27.000 Yeah, and in a lot of ways, the world that we've constructed, the modern world, with social media and with constantly being inundated with new news stories that have almost nothing to do with you.

00:45:39.000 They're on the other side of the world.

00:45:41.000 You know, someone got shot.

00:45:42.000 On the other side of the planet, someone fell off of a mountain.

00:45:45.000 You know, this guy died in a fiery car accident a thousand miles from you.

00:45:49.000 I mean, all this stuff is like constantly going on.

00:45:51.000 It's constantly coming at you.

00:45:54.000 It makes it really difficult to focus on the actual life that you're living.

00:45:57.000 I mean, we almost are getting too much data.

00:46:00.000 I think that's one element, but I think the more toxic element is the look-at-me element, which is the, here's what I'm doing at this time.

00:46:08.000 Here's me Snapchatting this.

00:46:10.000 I was just about to take a picture of you and put it on Instagram saying that.

00:46:14.000 It puts the awareness of other people watching you into the forefront of your mind. 0.96

00:46:21.000 So like right now, that was a fucked up smile I just gave you that because I was thinking about you taking a picture of me. 0.97

00:46:28.000 So it changed my behavior. 0.98

00:46:29.000 It wasn't candid.

00:46:30.000 It wasn't normal.

00:46:31.000 And that's what we're doing constantly.

00:46:33.000 We have this idea that everybody's looking at us and we really are the stage actors.

00:46:39.000 And that was that famous line from, you know, William Shakespeare.

00:46:42.000 We all but actors in the world is a stage.

00:46:44.000 Well, with social media, it becomes that.

00:46:46.000 We're always just acting and playing this role that's not our authentic self. 0.99

00:46:52.000 Like, bear down, ass on the grass. 1.00

00:46:54.000 Like, what the fuck is this thing? 1.00

00:46:56.000 Let me get back in touch with the monkey and figure out what feels good for it and what I want to do. 0.99

00:47:00.000 And it becomes your world.

00:47:02.000 Like, it might not be your world, but it becomes your world. 0.96

00:47:04.000 When you're one of those yoga booty girls that just sticks her ass up in the air for all her Instagram pictures, and now... 1.00

00:47:10.000 God bless them. 0.93

00:47:11.000 Thank God.

00:47:12.000 Thank God they're out there. 0.99

00:47:13.000 But when there's a gal like that that has 5 million Instagram followers, and her notifications are constantly coming in, she's checking her likes, and, damn girl, you hot. 1.00

00:47:23.000 Damn girl, you fine. 1.00

00:47:24.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

00:47:25.000 Can I get what you... 1.00

00:47:26.000 And they're looking at all their comments and they're getting all that love and all that attention.

00:47:30.000 Then that becomes them.

00:47:31.000 And then, I mean, I would hope that they're well-rounded and they also read books and they also do a lot of other things and they meditate and take yoga and really get in.

00:47:40.000 But it's highly likely they don't. 1.00

00:47:42.000 It's highly likely that they just stare at the pictures of their own ass and go back to the gym, you know, for the second time in a day and do deadlifts and just fucking pump that ass up. 1.00

00:47:52.000 And they're thinking about getting fat injected into it and like... 0.99

00:47:55.000 Yeah, what people fail to realize is that that in itself is a pressure and that pressure needs a response of equal magnitude in order to balance it.

00:48:04.000 It's like all of these people with fame, especially fame that you really didn't work that hard for.

00:48:12.000 And kind of just celebrities, pop culture celebrities or Instagram celebrities, have a little bit of a different feel because that athlete knows all the fucking quiet moments.

00:48:22.000 Like, Steph Curry knows all of those hundreds of thousands of shots he took when nobody was watching.

00:48:27.000 Dribbling around and practicing and practicing.

00:48:30.000 So when he gets out there, what he's doing and what he's known for, it makes sense and it's solid.

00:48:36.000 It's like grounded in something. 0.85

00:48:37.000 But all of a sudden, you have a great ass and the ability to take a decent photo and you've got the reach of five million people. 0.96

00:48:43.000 I think that amount of pressure really fucks with you and you have to take extreme measures to counteract that and to get yourself back grounded again. 0.98

00:48:51.000 More time in nature, meditation, float tank, eating weed, whatever you want to do.

00:48:57.000 Find that other thing to counteract that.

00:49:00.000 Recognize it for what it is and don't just look at the positive aspect of it.

00:49:04.000 Look at the negative that it's having.

00:49:06.000 Because I think if you don't, we see the effects of that all the time.

00:49:09.000 We see the Robin Williams. 0.99

00:49:10.000 We see the people who are dying of these overdoses that They ostensibly should be happy as fuck, but they're not. 0.98

00:49:16.000 They haven't dealt with the pressure of fame in a way that's as aggressive as the pressure that it's caused on them. 0.97

00:49:22.000 Yeah, Robin Williams might not be the best example because we had Bobcat in the other day, and Bobcat was a really good friend of Robin's, and Robin was diagnosed with several illnesses.

00:49:31.000 One of them was Parkinson's, but there was another one.

00:49:33.000 There was a brain illness that he was diagnosed with.

00:49:37.000 Do you remember the name of it, Jamie?

00:49:38.000 Lewy body disease, I believe is what it's called.

00:49:41.000 Yeah, but it directly affects the way he perceived the world.

00:49:45.000 Like, he had a real issue.

00:49:47.000 Yeah.

00:49:48.000 All right, so Philip Seymour Hoffman.

00:49:49.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:49:50.000 Batman.

00:49:51.000 The million guys.

00:49:52.000 Batman?

00:49:53.000 Or whatever.

00:49:54.000 The Joker.

00:49:55.000 Heath Ledger.

00:49:55.000 Heath Ledger, yeah.

00:49:56.000 He's a pill guy.

00:49:57.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:49:58.000 So the pressure, but they're responding to the pressure in a way that's deleterious for their life rather than responding to the pressure being like, man, this is fucked up. 0.99

00:50:07.000 I got all of these people looking at me. 0.98

00:50:09.000 I got to do some other work.

00:50:11.000 And society's not pushing them in that way either.

00:50:13.000 They're just saying, more, more, more, get another role, get more followers.

00:50:17.000 It's like the demon voice that you have from your act.

00:50:22.000 Exactly. 1.00

00:50:23.000 They have that fucking thing in their head rather than the other guy. 1.00

00:50:25.000 Like, hey man, go fucking on a vision quest. 1.00

00:50:28.000 Like, find some mountains by yourself where nobody's watching and you don't have to act at all. 0.99

00:50:32.000 You can just be you.

00:50:34.000 I wrote a note earlier because we were talking about depression and I've always wondered if the depression that people see in mass today, there's so much depression that people, I mean, it's a common trait.

00:50:47.000 It's a common condition.

00:50:49.000 Oh, he suffers from depression.

00:50:52.000 Oh, she suffers from depression.

00:50:54.000 Like, oh, he's got herpes, you know?

00:50:56.000 You know what I mean?

00:50:57.000 It's a common thing.

00:50:59.000 I've always wondered, or I've been wondering more and more recently, it really hit me when...

00:51:04.000 Have you ever seen Heinemann's Arctic Adventure?

00:51:08.000 It was one of the first vice pieces that I ever saw.

00:51:10.000 I think the first vice piece I ever saw, in fact.

00:51:13.000 No.

00:51:13.000 The first one was David Cho looking for a dinosaur in the Amazon.

00:51:18.000 Or was he in the Congo?

00:51:20.000 I think he was in the Congo. 1.00

00:51:21.000 David Cho is so fucking crazy. 0.99

00:51:22.000 I love that guy. 1.00

00:51:24.000 He went to Africa!

00:51:27.000 The guy's worth like a hundred million dollars. 1.00

00:51:29.000 He went to Africa looking for a fucking dinosaur that definitely doesn't exist. 0.96

00:51:34.000 But Vice has done some awesome stuff, but one of the things they did that was really interesting was this guy. 0.98

00:51:40.000 His name is Heimo.

00:51:42.000 I think that's how you say it.

00:51:44.000 H-E-I-M. Here it is. 1.00

00:51:48.000 Heimo's... 0.84

00:51:48.000 Heimo. 0.84

00:51:49.000 I had an N in there, I think. 1.00

00:51:51.000 Heimo's Arctic Refuge.

00:51:53.000 And this guy lives in this incredibly remote area of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. 0.95

00:52:01.000 The Alaskan interior and he he lives in this really small log cabin and He hunts and gathers and that's all he does and he's very smart like he's not a dummy at all and he's been up there He lives with his wife and his he raised children up there and it's really really There's some dark moments in there because they lived like this from the time like when they had children up there and They lost their two-year-old baby in a fucking canoe Like they tipped over, 0.92

00:52:31.000 you know in a canoe and lost their kid and it's like it's really intense when they revisit the site and leave flowers and it was like 30 years ago and they had several children since then but this moment is still like this intense moment of loss for them when they lost their baby, but this fucking guy Is very happy and very smart and very connected and very articulate.

00:52:55.000 And he firmly believes that human beings, when we evolved and developed and were hunter-gatherers, that there's a set of rewards. 0.90

00:53:07.000 There's reward systems that are set up inside the human body, inside the very being that we embody. 0.94

00:53:13.000 That don't get met in today's society and it's one of the things that's causing depression One of the things that's causing this funk that people are in is that we're living our lives many of us at least in these very unfulfilling ways where you're going to this office with artificial light and you're doing something you don't want to do all day long and then you get home and you're tired and on top of that you're eating shit and You're eating potato chips, 0.98

00:53:37.000 and you're drinking soda, and your body is just like, what in the fuck is this? 0.94

00:53:41.000 We're supposed to be out in the fields. 0.99

00:53:43.000 We're supposed to be walking up hills.

00:53:45.000 We're supposed to be looking for animals or gathering vegetables.

00:53:48.000 We're supposed to be doing all these things that our body's designed to do.

00:53:52.000 We're supposed to be in nature.

00:53:53.000 And nature is like A medicine.

00:53:56.000 Like, it literally is a medicine to you. 0.99

00:53:59.000 Like, people that go, you don't have to go hunting, you don't have to go fishing, just go fucking hike, man. 0.91

00:54:04.000 Just go hike up to the top of a mountain and look out. 0.63

00:54:07.000 You know, there's a reward that you get from that that is intensely, like, soul-filling.

00:54:13.000 There's, like, something about, like, when I was in Colorado, And there was this area of Boulder where you drive up one of these roads and there was this area where you could park.

00:54:22.000 And it was this incredible view, man.

00:54:25.000 These people would just park and just go out there and just look.

00:54:27.000 But you get there and you park and you go...

00:54:32.000 Because you would see, you're literally seeing the continental divide.

00:54:35.000 These snow-capped mountains in July.

00:54:38.000 In July, it's covered with snow. 0.99

00:54:40.000 Because those mountains don't give a fuck. 0.99

00:54:41.000 Perspective. 0.99

00:54:42.000 Just this whole new perspective on it.

00:54:44.000 And I think nature, I think the ease of suffering is always in presentness.

00:54:49.000 You know, when you're in presentness, truly locked in presentness, there is no suffering.

00:54:53.000 There can be pain.

00:54:54.000 But no suffering.

00:54:54.000 Suffering is something created by our own minds.

00:54:58.000 And I think nature is one of the great ways to do this.

00:55:00.000 Because humans, we learn, we take cues from our environment.

00:55:04.000 And nature, as I was saying earlier, is always in the present.

00:55:07.000 You know, there's this natural presentness of all the animals, everything around you.

00:55:11.000 Whereas if you get around a bunch of people watching Housewives and stressed about this and popping pills, you're going to take on that energy too.

00:55:17.000 And you're going to lose your presentness because...

00:55:23.000 Yeah.

00:55:46.000 Where we don't have to hunt for food.

00:55:47.000 We don't have to acquire everything.

00:55:48.000 Everything's relatively easy and it's all about advancement and all this.

00:55:52.000 We've lost a lot of the basic mission, which was the mission to survive and procreate.

00:55:56.000 And we haven't replaced it with any other universal mission, which is, I think, one of the big allures of These things like wars and these things like creating an enemy.

00:56:05.000 Well, at least then you have a mission.

00:56:07.000 And when you have a mission, human beings are happy. 0.96

00:56:09.000 You know, like Bertrand Russell talked about, he did the book Conquest of Happiness, and he had his own fucked up attributes. 0.99

00:56:15.000 Every time I bring him up, people talk about his fucked upness. 0.99

00:56:18.000 He was into phrenology and he might have been a racist. 0.98

00:56:20.000 Whatever, but he was a good philosopher.

00:56:22.000 Smoked constantly.

00:56:23.000 Yeah.

00:56:23.000 But anyways, he talked about the happiest person he knew.

00:56:27.000 The happiest person he could find was a groundskeeper on a manor who every day woke up and was at war with the rabbits of the grounds. 0.88

00:56:34.000 He just declared that the rabbits were the fucking enemy and he would go out with his gun and he would hunt as many as possible and he would go morning till night and he would kill as many rabbits as he could because the rabbits were the ones eating the hedges and the flowers and whatever. 0.95

00:56:48.000 So he basically made the rabbits his enemy and struck out every single day to kill as many rabbits as possible. 1.00

00:56:53.000 And that dude, according to Bertrand Russell, was happy as fuck. 0.99

00:56:57.000 He had a task. 0.99

00:56:58.000 He had a purpose.

00:56:59.000 You know, he had a mission. 0.98

00:57:01.000 My mission is to destroy the rabbits.

00:57:03.000 I used to have a dog like that. 0.87

00:57:04.000 Yeah?

00:57:05.000 I had the happiest dog ever.

00:57:06.000 His name was Frank Sinatra.

00:57:08.000 And he was a pit bull that all he lived for was killing lizards.

00:57:12.000 And my house, my old house, not the house over now, but my old house...

00:57:17.000 Had this one, it's like on a hill, and there's this one wall where these lizards would run up the wall. 0.93

00:57:25.000 And so Frank, I would literally let him out in the morning, and he would fucking bolt out that door. 0.97

00:57:29.000 It's like, time to go to war! 0.98

00:57:31.000 And he would run and go look for these lizards.

00:57:34.000 And he would stand there.

00:57:34.000 Eddie Bravo would just watch it and marvel.

00:57:37.000 He'd be like, fuck, man, this dog does this every day. 1.00

00:57:39.000 This dog does this every day. 1.00

00:57:40.000 I go, this is what he loves to do.

00:57:42.000 And he would go there, and he would have his paws on the wall.

00:57:45.000 And he would... 0.99

00:57:47.000 He would go crazy and he would jump up and try to grab a lizard and occasionally he would get one and he'd be like, fuck yeah! 0.99

00:57:53.000 And he would get one and they would go looking for another one. 0.98

00:57:55.000 And it was a pretty big yard, so he would go wandering around the yard looking for anything else that fucked up, anything else that was slipping. 0.88

00:58:02.000 Unfortunately, twice I had to take him to the hospital because he got bit by rattlesnakes.

00:58:06.000 Because rattlesnakes were slipping too, apparently. 0.97

00:58:09.000 He killed the rattlesnakes, but the rattlesnakes fucked him up. 0.97

00:58:12.000 He had like a water balloon growing out of the side of his head. 0.99

00:58:15.000 Both of my dogs...

00:58:16.000 By the way, that's a real problem if you don't have the money to pay for the serum.

00:58:22.000 It's super expensive. 0.99

00:58:24.000 It was several thousand dollars to treat them for this rattlesnake venom, anti-venom shit. 0.99

00:58:29.000 I was like, man, what if I was poor? 1.00

00:58:31.000 What if Yeah, that's a whole fucked up system. 0.99

00:58:33.000 They inject horses with the venom, and then they get the antibodies from the horses. 0.99

00:58:38.000 It's like this archaic system.

00:58:40.000 I think my friend Donald Schultz is working on...

00:58:43.000 He's a big snake handler guy.

00:58:44.000 He's working on ways to innovate around that, because it's kind of like a real backwards system that they have, how you get antivenom. 0.90

00:58:50.000 Well, a horse will survive, so let's just fucking put the venom in there, and then we'll get the antibodies from the horse, and then...

00:58:57.000 It's a weird thing how they do it. 0.99

00:58:59.000 Yeah, well that's a real problem with people that are vegans.

00:59:02.000 If you're a vegan and you don't use any animal products and you get bit by a rattlesnake, you got two choices.

00:59:08.000 Compromise your morals?

00:59:09.000 Well, that's a wrap. 0.99

00:59:11.000 But this dog was so goddamn happy. 0.98

00:59:14.000 He had missions. 0.98

00:59:16.000 He would go out of that yard and he wasn't bored.

00:59:18.000 He was like, please take me for a walk.

00:59:20.000 Come on, man.

00:59:21.000 He was like, see ya, dude!

00:59:23.000 I'd open that door.

00:59:24.000 He was gone.

00:59:25.000 He just had his little mission.

00:59:26.000 And I think you can see that in the people who are the most unhappy.

00:59:30.000 They seem aimless.

00:59:31.000 They're like, what am I here for?

00:59:32.000 Why am I doing this?

00:59:33.000 Nothing makes sense.

00:59:35.000 I've even felt it in my own life when I know what my mission here is.

00:59:40.000 My mission is to expand human consciousness, to help people be happy.

00:59:43.000 That's really what I find my greatest purpose in. 0.99

00:59:47.000 But every once in a while, I'll get this kind of like, fuck people attitude. 1.00

00:59:50.000 Maybe someone said some fucked up shit, and I'm like, man, people fucking suck. 1.00

00:59:53.000 Fuck people. 1.00

00:59:54.000 And then at that point, that's when I'm actually depressed. 1.00

00:59:57.000 Because I've lost my mission. 1.00

00:59:58.000 Instead of having a mission like, yes, my mission is human consciousness, all of a sudden it's like, fuck people, fuck that mission. 1.00

01:00:04.000 They'll figure it out. 0.99

01:00:05.000 And then I'm depressed because I've lost my purpose.

01:00:07.000 It's very hard to rise above, like literally, when something like that happens and realize like, oh, you're encountering one diseased individual.

01:00:15.000 You've got to look at the mass of humanity.

01:00:18.000 Yeah.

01:00:18.000 Like, when you encounter one diseased individual, it's so, like, this guy who shot up that nightclub in Orlando, you're looking at one diseased individual.

01:00:27.000 And if you say, man, people fucking suck, look at what they did. 0.98

01:00:31.000 Well, look at how many people that are responding with rainbows on their Twitter pages and love and all the best wishes to those folks that got killed and all that. 0.99

01:00:39.000 I mean, I was looking at this guy's There's a lot.

01:00:52.000 There's more beautiful people.

01:00:53.000 This is, without a doubt, not just the safest, the easiest.

01:00:57.000 This is the happiest time in terms of being able to reach out and Send love to people and have people send love to you. 0.96

01:01:06.000 But just occasionally you run into cunts. 0.98

01:01:08.000 And the cunts itself, man. 0.98

01:01:10.000 The beauty is out there, too. 0.98

01:01:12.000 It's just not as dramatic.

01:01:13.000 And it doesn't impose upon us as forcefully.

01:01:15.000 But if we just look, it's around all the time.

01:01:18.000 We run into good people all the time.

01:01:20.000 But you just make eye contact with that good person or that kid who's just looking at you and just creeping into that little smile.

01:01:26.000 And you're like...

01:01:27.000 Oh, yeah, the good of humanity.

01:01:28.000 The fact that, you know, we really are love, you know, being expressed, you know, outwardly all the time.

01:01:34.000 And it's just these other delusions that get in the way of that.

01:01:37.000 Well, we're oddly attracted to negativity, too.

01:01:39.000 It's almost like we look at negativity online or that you run into as like a possibility of war. 0.99

01:01:46.000 Like, you have to look out, there's fucking drums beating. 1.00

01:01:49.000 Goddammit, there's an army on the background. 1.00

01:01:51.000 They're coming, they're coming.

01:01:52.000 You know, it's like this real impulse to sort of batten down the hatches. 1.00

01:01:56.000 When really it's just some fucking 36-year-old loser sitting in his parents' basement, you know, farting and smelling his own farts and angry online. 0.99

01:02:04.000 I mean, that's really what a lot of you're dealing with. 1.00

01:02:06.000 You're dealing with, like, really sick people.

01:02:09.000 Like, people that have...

01:02:11.000 Just for whatever reason, they've not found their path.

01:02:14.000 They've not found any happiness.

01:02:16.000 They've not found any fulfillment.

01:02:17.000 They haven't found any growth.

01:02:19.000 They're just stifled or rotten in some sort of a weird way.

01:02:23.000 It just hasn't really worked for them.

01:02:24.000 And so they're lashing out.

01:02:27.000 They're lashing out at the world. 1.00

01:02:28.000 And you run into one of those, and you're like, ah, people suck. 1.00

01:02:31.000 Yeah, and that's the initial response. 0.98

01:02:33.000 And then the more conscious response is to look at them and have compassion for that person.

01:02:38.000 That's hard to do, right?

01:02:39.000 That is hard to do.

01:02:40.000 And our system isn't based upon that.

01:02:42.000 Even if you look at the U.S. penal system, it's very much about punishment.

01:02:45.000 Whereas if you watch that documentary that Michael Moore did, Who to Invade Nest, where they go to Norway, they have a whole different idea of what the penal system is for.

01:02:54.000 It's about punishment.

01:02:54.000 Restoring human dignity and cultivating a change, really making change in the person.

01:03:00.000 It's not about punishment.

01:03:01.000 It's about actually changing that individual so he doesn't do it again.

01:03:05.000 And then you look at the recidivism rates between our prisons and Norway's prisons, and they're just dramatically different.

01:03:11.000 That impulse to punish immediately is not the healthiest impulse.

01:03:15.000 That's just going to create more issues down the road.

01:03:18.000 You're not rehabilitating anybody.

01:03:20.000 You're just...

01:03:21.000 Taking even more broken people and putting them out in the world and hoping they're not going to do the broken things. 0.99

01:03:25.000 Well, it's not going to fucking work. 0.98

01:03:27.000 You know, the right impulse is always that compassion and looking to see as if that was you, how all of these fucked up elements of the world and choices. 0.98

01:03:35.000 I'm not overriding the fact that they had choices in all this.

01:03:38.000 They're not free of guilt.

01:03:40.000 But look at that. 0.98

01:03:41.000 This is the person that just made some bad choices and had some tough shit to deal with and couldn't overcome it. 0.96

01:03:47.000 The resistance in the video game was higher than his skill set and he wasn't able to choose to work and choose the positive elements that would allow him to overcome it. 0.95

01:03:58.000 It's also Norway's dealing with far fewer people.

01:04:01.000 That's true.

01:04:02.000 That's a good thing for them.

01:04:05.000 They don't have that conqueror's mentality that we have We're so wrapped up in success and also in punishment.

01:04:16.000 I mean, that is a big aspect of our culture.

01:04:19.000 Like, punishment and...

01:04:21.000 I mean, like, when anyone does anything wrong online, the amount of people that feel like it's their job to shame that person and embarrass that person and insult that person, it's pretty crazy to watch when something goes down.

01:04:33.000 It's all so counterproductive, you know, and I see that in the people shaming people for appropriation, right? 0.97

01:04:40.000 So let's say, for example, someone wears a headdress at a fucking festival, right? 0.97

01:04:44.000 They're probably mildly, they're not doing it to mock the Native Americans, most likely. 0.99

01:04:48.000 It's probably like a mild appreciation and interest.

01:04:51.000 I think this looks cool.

01:04:52.000 I'm in a place and, you know...

01:04:54.000 Yeah.

01:05:19.000 We'll create trauma and that trauma will have a poisonous impact that will make them feel weird and make them want to do that to other people.

01:05:27.000 So it's like you're injecting someone with a hate virus that they're going to then pass on to other people rather than doing the opposite.

01:05:36.000 Spreading the love herpes where it's this contagious positivity that goes the other way.

01:05:40.000 And we have those choices with how to deal with people, but more often than not we come With this thing to punish and create more trauma, which triggers their own self-judge and their own self-hate, lowers their own self-love, and then they're gonna pass that off to kids, family members, people around them.

01:05:56.000 You know, there's just two sets of dominoes that we can choose to take either path. 0.99

01:06:01.000 And the concept of culture appropriation is so stupid because culture itself is bullshit. 1.00

01:06:07.000 Culture itself is just a bunch of shit that people have done over and over again as a habit. 1.00

01:06:11.000 So your idea that no one should appropriate someone's other bullshit habits is so fucking ridiculous. 1.00

01:06:17.000 Like, you shouldn't wear your hair like that because other dummies have been wearing their hair like that for a hundred years. 1.00

01:06:23.000 They've decided that this is theirs. 0.85

01:06:25.000 They own the dreadlock.

01:06:27.000 Or they own the braids. 1.00

01:06:30.000 Fucking nonsense. 1.00

01:06:31.000 It's nonsense. 1.00

01:06:32.000 And it's just one of those things that Michael Shermer likes to call virtue signaling, where you see someone who's doing something and in chastising them, you're not just trying to stop them from doing it.

01:06:45.000 You're also letting the world know how ethical and how moral you are. 0.99

01:06:49.000 So you get a lot of really goofy fucking white people who get mad at other white people for doing things that they deem to be cultural appropriation. 0.99

01:06:57.000 It's one thing if you're deeply embedded and rooted in that culture. 0.99

01:07:02.000 What is that thing that Hindu people put on their forehead when they're in love? 0.99

01:07:06.000 Oh, I don't know, in love.

01:07:07.000 They put the third eye symbol on their head.

01:07:09.000 Yeah, I think it has something to do with love.

01:07:12.000 Is it a bindi?

01:07:13.000 Is that what it is?

01:07:14.000 Yeah, it's a bindi.

01:07:14.000 Yeah, well, I've seen people get upset at people, you know, appropriating that, and like, okay.

01:07:20.000 But what is that?

01:07:22.000 You get a sticker on your head, man.

01:07:24.000 For real?

01:07:24.000 Well, what about us?

01:07:25.000 We're wearing tattoos.

01:07:27.000 Clearly, that's someone's culture.

01:07:29.000 Yeah.

01:07:29.000 I mean, the kind that we have is fairly American, I guess, but my, like, Aaron Della Vadova did mine in sort of a Japanese style.

01:07:39.000 Yeah, I got a fucking Japanese tattoo on my ribs. 0.94

01:07:40.000 Yeah, it's... 0.99

01:07:40.000 This is sort of cultural appropriation. 0.99

01:07:43.000 We're in a time where we need all the best ideas ever.

01:07:45.000 You know what I mean?

01:07:46.000 We need to bring everything that's good and everything that made sense and everything that can tap people back into something positive.

01:07:53.000 We need all of that stuff.

01:07:55.000 So we need to gather all of the best practices of the culture. 0.93

01:07:58.000 That's the fucking beautiful part of the time we're in. 0.89

01:08:00.000 We can go eat Moroccan food or Chinese food or Japanese food. 0.98

01:08:04.000 We can go enjoy all of these things. 0.91

01:08:06.000 And we need all of this enjoyment because there's all kinds of other fucked up stuff that's going on as well that we have to deal with.

01:08:13.000 So, I mean, I just have such the opposite idea that, you know, like Tesla's doing with his patents, this idea of protect and hold. 0.99

01:08:21.000 This is our own shit. 0.99

01:08:22.000 Nobody else get it. 1.00

01:08:23.000 That's to the detriment of the world.

01:08:25.000 Like, everybody should want to share all the ideas and best practices that they have.

01:08:31.000 It'd be like me secretly doing psychedelics.

01:08:33.000 I mean, like... 1.00

01:08:34.000 I'm happy you're not, motherfuckers. 1.00

01:08:36.000 Fuck you. 1.00

01:08:37.000 You know, it doesn't make any sense. 1.00

01:08:38.000 Like, you want to talk about it and say, like, this is what worked for me.

01:08:41.000 This is, hey, how can you, you know, how can you improve yourself, too?

01:08:45.000 Well, ironically, that's what people believe.

01:08:47.000 The biblical scholars who have studied the connection between psychedelics and ancient religions, I'd say, believe where it all went wrong is that they tried to hold back these psychedelic rituals and hide them from conquering armies and That's what John Marco Allegro believed that Christianity was really initially all about.

01:09:05.000 It was about writing down these things in the Bible in parables and hiding them in these stories, and that these stories were to mask it from the conquerors, from being conquered by the Roman army.

01:09:17.000 Yeah, and then really the opposite is what they needed.

01:09:20.000 They needed to share this, open source it as widely as possible. 0.57

01:09:23.000 So you look at that period, it's riddled with war and atrocities and all this fucked up stuff that's happened.

01:09:29.000 It's in the human record and in the archaeological record. 0.94

01:09:32.000 You know, cities built, destroyed, built, destroyed, barbarians, blah, blah, blah. 0.97

01:09:35.000 Then you go take the counterpoint of that to a culture, ancient Chavin in Peru, which archaeologically has been shown that for 700 years there was no records of war in this region around Chavin.

01:09:46.000 And Chavin were the curators of Huachuma, the plant medicine which enhances serotonin, a very heart-opening medicine that I've talked about here on this podcast.

01:09:54.000 But they would give it to everybody.

01:09:56.000 You just showed up, maybe you brought a seashell as a gift, maybe you didn't.

01:09:59.000 It didn't matter.

01:10:00.000 They would hold these open ceremonies for everybody who came, kings, peasants, doesn't...

01:10:06.000 We're good to go.

01:10:28.000 It's absolutely there.

01:10:29.000 And it is where people went wrong because they tried to hoard information for power because that knowledge, of course, yields power.

01:10:37.000 If you have the knowledge and only you have it, you'll have power over people who don't.

01:10:41.000 Whereas real heart-based power leading with your heart forward, just open source all that.

01:10:47.000 Let it all sort itself out.

01:10:49.000 Yeah, it only makes sense that if you want the world that you live in to be a better place, you've got to tell people the things that have made your life better. 0.98

01:11:01.000 And the things that made your life fucked up. 1.00

01:11:03.000 Don't hide that shit either. 1.00

01:11:04.000 Don't pretend like you're perfect and things don't fuck you up and everything is good. 1.00

01:11:08.000 People need to hear all of it. 0.70

01:11:10.000 Like, oh yeah, I tried this thing. 0.99

01:11:11.000 It was fucking terrible. 0.96

01:11:12.000 I wouldn't want to do that again. 0.99

01:11:13.000 Yeah, but how could they possibly have known that thousands of years ago?

01:11:16.000 You know, I mean, it's...

01:11:17.000 I would love to have gone back in time.

01:11:20.000 I would love to go back in time, like, several thousand years.

01:11:23.000 Just be invisible. 0.98

01:11:24.000 Be in, like, some sort of an invisible cone of protection and just sit down in a village, you know, in ancient days and somewhere in a really populated area of the world, whether it's Greece or Rome or wherever, and just try to take in what these fucking people were doing, 0.96

01:11:40.000 how they were living, and look at... 0.88

01:11:44.000 They're not just our ancestors.

01:11:48.000 I think we can look at ancient cultures and ancient societies and see, if we look back and see all their weird, crazy stories and traditions and the way they sort of established their government and we look at what we're doing now,

01:12:04.000 And if you sort of extrapolate deep into the future, like, these are all, this is just, it's not that long ago.

01:12:11.000 It's a small little blip in time.

01:12:13.000 And there's obviously some sort of a process going on.

01:12:16.000 Some sort of a process of improvement and of innovation in some sort of a weird way.

01:12:21.000 Innovation of culture and society and communication.

01:12:24.000 And I think that's one of the things that we're dealing with now, with this age of information and all the The data that we have to sift through and all the communication that we have to sift through.

01:12:34.000 We're becoming some new thing.

01:12:36.000 And it's happening in our lifetime. 0.98

01:12:38.000 And it's happening in a really fucking confusing way. 0.86

01:12:41.000 And it's one of the things that makes people yearn for the past. 0.95

01:12:45.000 It makes people yearn for the good old days.

01:12:48.000 It makes a slogan like Donald Trump's Make America Great Again. 0.98

01:12:54.000 What the fuck does that mean? 0.98

01:12:55.000 It's never been better. 0.98

01:12:56.000 It's never been better than right now.

01:12:58.000 It would make America great again.

01:12:59.000 How could it be greater?

01:13:01.000 When has it ever been better than right now for anybody?

01:13:03.000 This is the safest time.

01:13:04.000 There's the most communication.

01:13:05.000 There's the most information available.

01:13:07.000 There's the most medicine available.

01:13:09.000 Medical science can save people.

01:13:12.000 You can live healthier lives.

01:13:14.000 We know more about nutrition.

01:13:15.000 We understand more about the body.

01:13:17.000 When was it better?

01:13:18.000 Yeah, and still we're in this weird transitional period that I think we all can notice because truth hasn't percolated down to the rest of society.

01:13:29.000 And it's a frustrating point.

01:13:31.000 We know that people should not be getting thrown in jail for marijuana.

01:13:34.000 That's not a debatable fact.

01:13:36.000 The act of throwing them in jail is bad for the person.

01:13:39.000 The act of taking the marijuana is not bad for society.

01:13:42.000 The truth is there, but still we're in this lag.

01:13:45.000 And the lag is really frustrating for people.

01:13:48.000 But that's just the nature of it.

01:13:50.000 It's like when you go from switching from McDonald's to starting to eat healthy and drinking kale shakes, the body doesn't respond instantly.

01:13:58.000 You know, you have to be patient with the body.

01:13:59.000 Like, it's not just because you change your mind.

01:14:01.000 The mind is instant.

01:14:02.000 You can change your mind and instantly it's changed.

01:14:04.000 But the body is different and so is society.

01:14:07.000 Like, it's gonna take a while for truth to percolate all the way through. 0.99

01:14:10.000 And in the process, like if you switch from McDonald's to going on a juice fast, you're gonna feel like shit. 0.98

01:14:16.000 All the toxins are going to come up. 0.71

01:14:18.000 Everything is going to bubble up through the body and you're going to have this massive detoxification period where you actually feel worse than if you had just continued to eat McDonald's all the time because the body is going to go through the process of re-acclimating to a new way.

01:14:32.000 I think we're in a little bit of that stage now where truth has come out in a lot of different ways.

01:14:37.000 Aspects of things, but it hasn't percolated all the way through.

01:14:40.000 So we're going through this kind of societal detox where we haven't applied the knowledge that is there readily available.

01:14:47.000 I have feelings on that too where I think that a lot of this resistance to new knowledge, new information, and even the resistance to freedom.

01:14:55.000 Like the marijuana laws and a lot of things that we deeply deeply disagree with that this is all in some sort of a way Fueling change that the resistance actually fires people up and makes them more motivated to move forward It actually it actually strengthens the resolve of the resistance to know that there's so much ignorance out there in the world like when some slob like Chris Christie starts going on about nonsense Saying how dangerous marijuana is. 0.99

01:15:23.000 Meanwhile, he's clearly abusing the fuck out of his meat vehicle. 0.98

01:15:27.000 I mean, that guy, if anybody should not talk about health and consequences of negative actions, it's someone who's morbidly obese, who's already gone through fucking stomach surgery and still morbidly obese. 0.99

01:15:41.000 But that guy, whether he knows it or not, through his ignorant statements, has fueled a massive amount of resistance. 0.99

01:15:48.000 There's people that have, like, fucking... 1.00

01:15:50.000 Double down on their resolve because of the stupid shit that he said. 1.00

01:15:53.000 And it actually fuels things in a positive way. 1.00

01:15:56.000 And in a horrible way, even a mass killing of gay people, like what happened to Orlando. 0.95

01:16:03.000 Horrible, terrible tragedy. 0.99

01:16:05.000 But ultimately, that's not going to stop people from being gay.

01:16:09.000 What it's going to do is it's going to fuel all the people like you and me, who have nothing but love and acceptance for everybody, regardless of your sexual persuasion.

01:16:18.000 To double down on that and to get that out more. 0.94

01:16:21.000 And that's where all the people on Twitter and Instagram and Facebook and all the social media posts about love and respect and not giving a fuck. 0.99

01:16:30.000 I've seen I don't know how many fucking memes from that bit that I did about those two reasons to hate gay marriage. 1.00

01:16:38.000 You know, you're either dumb or you're secretly worried that dicks are delicious. 1.00

01:16:42.000 That is fucking all over the place after one of these things happen. 1.00

01:16:46.000 That and then a million other ones like it and a million other rainbows and hearts in the shape of a rainbow. 0.98

01:16:53.000 And it's people doubled down on their acceptance, doubled down the resolve. 0.99

01:16:57.000 And there might be some people that were on the fence that might have had some negative ideas about gay people and see all this and go, man, you can't fucking kill people in a nightclub just because they're gay. 1.00

01:17:06.000 That's crazy. 0.99

01:17:06.000 And then they might open their mind a little bit more and then they might read a little bit more. 0.99

01:17:10.000 And then they might see an interview with some gay people that are holding hands and go, well, Why do I give a fuck? 1.00

01:17:16.000 What is this? 1.00

01:17:17.000 Religion? 1.00

01:17:18.000 What's some ancient stupid tradition? 1.00

01:17:20.000 Is it cultural appropriation? 1.00

01:17:22.000 What is it?

01:17:22.000 What is it about this idea that people should or shouldn't love people of one sex or another sex?

01:17:30.000 And if they do love them, they definitely shouldn't fuck them. 1.00

01:17:33.000 You know, I love you. 1.00

01:17:34.000 Like, we're really good friends.

01:17:35.000 We've never fucked. 0.59

01:17:36.000 I hope we never do. 0.82

01:17:37.000 But you know what I'm saying?

01:17:38.000 Like, why would anybody care if you love somebody and then you wind up touching your body with them and pleasuring each other?

01:17:45.000 Like, to some people, that becomes this taboo worthy of violence.

01:17:50.000 That's a nonsense point of view that is highlighted by horrific acts, and these horrific acts, as horrible and despicable as they are, in fact fuel people to be more open and more understanding.

01:18:04.000 It's like the more you push back, the more the resistance grows.

01:18:08.000 Yeah, and that's a point that you always fall back on that's absolutely 100%.

01:18:13.000 Right.

01:18:13.000 I mean, the obstacle is the way.

01:18:15.000 These things that, you know, in any video game, you need resistance in order to test your skills and improve.

01:18:21.000 In a weight room, you need gravity and the additional weights to stress your body so that you respond.

01:18:26.000 And that's the same case with all of these elements.

01:18:29.000 We underestimate the value of resistance, and that's a great constant reminder.

01:18:34.000 Like, yeah, there's a lot of fucked up things that happen, but that resistance will allow us to cultivate our own consciousness and our own love In a much greater way than if it wasn't there.

01:18:45.000 And so in a lot of ways, to really grow, you have to seek out resistance in your own life.

01:18:52.000 It'll come naturally in society, but put yourself up against your own fears to grow and put yourself up against it.

01:18:59.000 And when these things do happen, they are great natural things that you can rally behind and then bring forth your best attributes and best aspects because that's what allows us to grow.

01:19:10.000 It's resistance.

01:19:12.000 Absolutely.

01:19:13.000 I mean, that's what working out is.

01:19:14.000 Yeah.

01:19:15.000 I mean, it's pretty obvious.

01:19:16.000 Like, if you don't train hard, your body does not grow.

01:19:20.000 If you don't put forth effort, your body does not get stronger.

01:19:22.000 You don't get more endurance unless you push yourself.

01:19:25.000 There's only one way.

01:19:26.000 And you've got to go through something hard in order to get something good out of it.

01:19:31.000 There's no other way.

01:19:32.000 Mm-hmm.

01:19:33.000 And that's one of the weirder things about being a person.

01:19:36.000 Yeah.

01:19:36.000 And really, it comes down to, you know, people also...

01:19:39.000 One of the things that I've been ranting about a lot lately is choice.

01:19:43.000 You know, and people this...

01:19:44.000 We live in a society that loves to take choice from us and say, all right, everything is a disease, everything is privilege, everything is this thing.

01:19:52.000 You know, you really didn't have a choice because there were these preconceived conditions.

01:19:57.000 And really, it's robbing us of choice because if we accept our inherent superpower, which is choice, then we have responsibility for who we are.

01:20:04.000 And if we have responsibility for who we are, all of us have such a harsh self-judge that every failing we have, if we say, well, it was up to us, the judge just beats us to death about it.

01:20:15.000 So we'd rather shrug our responsibility and go with our hands up to the judge.

01:20:19.000 Judge, it wasn't my fault.

01:20:20.000 It wasn't my fault.

01:20:21.000 Because we have such a harsh self-judge in our own head, That we intend to do that.

01:20:27.000 So we give up our inherent superpower, which is choice, because we don't want to take the responsibility.

01:20:32.000 But at any point, we can take that back.

01:20:35.000 And you have to deal with the judge.

01:20:36.000 And you deal with the judge by making a pact to always forgive yourself. 0.66

01:20:40.000 Forgive yourself for any of the fucked up things that have happened and just accept that we're all imperfect. 0.98

01:20:45.000 This idea of perfection is nonsense. 0.99

01:20:48.000 We're all going to fuck up. 1.00

01:20:49.000 We're all going to make mistakes. 1.00

01:20:50.000 And so the judge is nonsense.

01:20:53.000 It's like we're all going to have come to the place we are through any variety of channels, and it's going to be an imperfect path no matter what.

01:21:01.000 So continue to pound that own message of self-love and forgiveness, and then re-harness that element of choice so that we can then decide what we want to be, who we want to be, what we want to go, and put our intent forth.

01:21:15.000 And yeah, maybe not everything is possible, but what better thing to do than to Fail in the cause of your greatest wish and your greatest intention, your greatest desire.

01:21:25.000 I mean, that's the ultimate warrior's death.

01:21:27.000 That's what they would talk about with Valhalla. 0.97

01:21:28.000 To find an enemy worthy enough to kill me in battle. 0.97

01:21:32.000 That was the ultimate idea.

01:21:34.000 And we can all choose those battles and choose that thing that we're fighting for. 0.99

01:21:37.000 And fuck, if we fail, so what? 0.98

01:21:39.000 But at least if we're going out on that way, you know, we'll go out with a smile 100% of the time. 0.99

01:21:44.000 But it starts with re-harnessing that choice.

01:21:47.000 And the worst people that you know are the people that don't have a good self-judge.

01:21:52.000 That everything they do is awesome. 1.00

01:21:54.000 Those motherfuckers never grow anywhere. 1.00

01:21:56.000 That's a huge issue with comedy. 1.00

01:21:59.000 When you run into people that have terrible comedy sets but think they did great.

01:22:05.000 Greg Fitzsimmons and I would always talk about that with open micers.

01:22:09.000 There's people that hear Phantom Labs.

01:22:11.000 They think they're doing great.

01:22:12.000 And they have this delusional self-opinion where everything they do is awesome and they don't know why they're not successful already.

01:22:18.000 They don't know why they're not famous.

01:22:20.000 And those people, I believe...

01:22:23.000 I mean, in some sort of a weird narcissistic way, you could look at it this way that those people are there to teach you.

01:22:28.000 This is the consequences of not feeling that awful feeling when you fail.

01:22:33.000 Well, that comes from the ego being so fragile.

01:22:36.000 Their ego is so fragile that they can't accept the fact that they may have not done a good job. 0.99

01:22:42.000 So they will manufacture ideas in their heads so that they did a good job no matter what because their ego can't take the truth of the blow like, man, you fucking bombed out there. 0.98

01:22:51.000 Right. 0.93

01:22:52.000 So it comes from insecurity and fragility, and then they create this ridiculous story in their head about what it is because they can't withstand that truth. 0.99

01:23:02.000 Because ultimately, I think it all comes from the same thing, this lack of self-love, that lack of ability to be like, man, I fucking shit the bed, and I'm okay. 0.99

01:23:11.000 Everything's okay. 0.99

01:23:12.000 I'll be all right with that.

01:23:13.000 But the good ones can.

01:23:15.000 I was talking to Burr a couple weeks ago.

01:23:18.000 He did a set at the Comedy Store and I saw part of it.

01:23:21.000 He was killing.

01:23:22.000 And then I ran into him in the hallway and I go, oh man, main room show was great, right? 0.99

01:23:27.000 And he goes, yeah, I fucked up at the end though. 0.93

01:23:30.000 I tried to hang in there too long and the last bit bombed. 0.99

01:23:33.000 It was rotten at him that the last bit, he goes, I fucking hung in there too long. 0.84

01:23:38.000 I should have got off of the bit before that. 1.00

01:23:40.000 Fuck! 1.00

01:23:41.000 But, you know, when I was in there, he was fucking killing. 1.00

01:23:45.000 But that wasn't in his mind. 0.99

01:23:47.000 The success was not in his mind. 0.98

01:23:49.000 It was like, okay, whatever that happened at the end, don't fucking do that again. 0.92

01:23:54.000 But that's why he's Bill Burr. 0.82

01:23:56.000 That's why he's really good.

01:23:57.000 So he's able to take that feeling, but at a certain point, he'll be able to have a beer, drink, or dinner, and just laugh about it.

01:24:05.000 And he's not going to carry that trauma forever. 0.86

01:24:08.000 It's just like, Feel it like fuck I could almost had it and that's healthy But then it ultimately you have to have that moment of forgiveness. 1.00

01:24:15.000 We're like, yeah, fuck it. 0.99

01:24:15.000 Of course Well, that's the beauty of being a comic as opposed to being a fighter because a comic can have that moment and just the next night go on stage and I'm sure he killed Yeah, where he was killing like he's a super self-critical guy. 0.99

01:24:28.000 So whatever the bad moment at the very end was probably just Fairly You know Like, less funny than normal.

01:24:39.000 You know what I mean?

01:24:39.000 I'm sure it was funny.

01:24:40.000 But, like, for a fighter, like, here's a perfect example.

01:24:44.000 Someone like Luke Rockhold, who just got knocked out in one round by Michael Bisping. 0.99

01:24:50.000 He's gotta fucking rot with that. 0.97

01:24:52.000 That's gotta chew away at him, that mistake that he made, for months and months and months until he gets back in there again. 0.99

01:24:59.000 And even if he wins his next fight, he didn't win that fight.

01:25:03.000 That fight is still there.

01:25:04.000 That fight's still going to be chewing away at him.

01:25:06.000 And if he's smart, he'll keep that.

01:25:09.000 That's a little engine that when he's thinking about, like, when he's at the top of the hill, and he's like, this has got to be the last sprint. 1.00

01:25:16.000 That engine will be like, wrong, bitch! 1.00

01:25:17.000 Michael Bisping knocked you out and he mocked you. 1.00

01:25:20.000 Fuck! 1.00

01:25:21.000 And then we'll get right back to the bottom of that hill and hopefully he won't blow his joints out and break his body with that kind of motivation because that also can happen to people where their motivation sort of outpushes the physical capacity of their meat vehicle. 1.00

01:25:35.000 That's a possibility too.

01:25:37.000 You've got to be real careful with that.

01:25:39.000 But that, even though it seems like a terrible thing that happened to him, it's not just a good thing for him, it's a good thing for all martial artists.

01:25:47.000 It's a good thing to understand.

01:25:48.000 You are a human being.

01:25:50.000 Your jaw is made out of bone.

01:25:51.000 Your skin is made out of flesh. 0.71

01:25:54.000 The nerves are just like anybody else's nerves.

01:25:56.000 If you get cracked by a left hook the way Michael Bisping cracked Luke Rockhold, you're going night-night.

01:26:02.000 Everybody goes night-night.

01:26:03.000 Unless you're Mark Hunt. 0.98

01:26:04.000 Mark Hunt seems to be able to absorb some pretty fucking tremendous shots. 0.86

01:26:09.000 It goes back to that idea that the act is neither good nor bad. 0.98

01:26:13.000 It's how you respond to it.

01:26:14.000 Another kook, Carlos Castaneda, he had a great quote that, for the ordinary person, everything is a blessing or a curse, but for the warrior, there are only challenges.

01:26:24.000 And that really applies to fighting.

01:26:26.000 At this point, that was neither a blessing nor a curse that he got knocked out by Michael Bisping.

01:26:31.000 It's his response to it.

01:26:31.000 Is he going to respond like GSP did when he got knocked out by Matt Serra and revolutionize his fighting style and become the legend that we know him today?

01:26:41.000 Yeah, maybe the old GSP was more exciting, but it carried way more risk.

01:26:44.000 So he adapted and he became better and he became this indomitable force.

01:26:49.000 See, I don't even think the regular GSP was more exciting.

01:26:51.000 You know, exciting to me is a weird term. 0.99

01:26:55.000 Like, when I look at the GSP that destroyed BJ Penn or John Fitch, that motherfucker was pretty goddamn exciting. 0.99

01:27:00.000 And that's post-Matt Serra. 0.99

01:27:02.000 I think, but the Matt Serra analogy is a perfect one.

01:27:06.000 Because it's the same sort of a thing.

01:27:08.000 He was fighting a dangerous guy that he underestimated.

01:27:10.000 And, by the way, both of them won the Ultimate Fighter.

01:27:12.000 So it's a perfect analogy. 0.52

01:27:15.000 And both of them were huge underdogs, and both of them went on to win with spectacular first-round knockouts.

01:27:22.000 You've got to respect everybody.

01:27:24.000 And human beings that are professional fighters, even if you think you're better than them, they have weapons, man.

01:27:31.000 They take people out.

01:27:32.000 They all have, and you're a person.

01:27:34.000 But you think that because you beat Chris Weidman, you destroyed Lyoto Machida, you beat the fuck out of all these people, and you strangled Bisping the first time you met him, you're like, there's no way this guy's going to beat me.

01:27:44.000 No way.

01:27:44.000 It's impossible.

01:27:45.000 And so you go in there super relaxed. 0.99

01:27:47.000 And I remember when I was competing in the Taekwondo days, if I was relaxed and I didn't feel nervous, I fought like shit. 0.99

01:27:53.000 It was a terrible feeling. 0.98

01:27:55.000 I only fought well when I was scared.

01:27:57.000 And I think that's a really important point for almost anybody.

01:28:02.000 You really have to have some element of danger involved in the contest. 0.99

01:28:08.000 If that's not there, if you're just like pshh, You can't do shit to me. 1.00

01:28:12.000 You can't do shit to me. 0.99

01:28:13.000 And all of a sudden, boom! 1.00

01:28:14.000 That left hook lands and your legs go...

01:28:18.000 Well, that's a key characteristic of being in flow state, that the stakes have to be high.

01:28:23.000 Everybody uses surfing as an analogy.

01:28:25.000 Well, you can surf some baby-ass waves, some two-foot waves on a sand bottom, and you're not going to get in flow state.

01:28:31.000 You're just going to be kind of paddling and cruising around. 0.99

01:28:33.000 But you surf that gnarly fucking double overhead on a coral reef bottom, fuck yeah, you're in flow state, let alone what Laird Hamilton is doing, surfing those monsters. 0.99

01:28:43.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:28:44.000 When the stakes are high and you're really feeling that, that's what drives you to your highest performance level.

01:28:49.000 I got Shane Dorian coming in next week. 0.99

01:28:52.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

01:28:53.000 Can't wait. 1.00

01:28:54.000 Talk to that guy about sharks and shit. 1.00

01:28:57.000 Hell yeah. 1.00

01:28:58.000 That guy's a madman. 1.00

01:28:59.000 And he's a bowhunter, too. 0.99

01:29:00.000 That should be a lot of fun.

01:29:01.000 But yeah, these people that are doing really exciting, really dangerous things, they carry with them the consequences of those really exciting, really dangerous things.

01:29:11.000 Like, occasionally you're going to fail.

01:29:13.000 And when you fail, it is important to know that you can fail.

01:29:16.000 It's important to know that no matter how much you have mastered whatever you're trying to do, there are consequences to every zig and zag.

01:29:23.000 Yeah.

01:29:23.000 You know, it's just really about mastering the ego.

01:29:26.000 You know, the ego is the main thing that thwarts you on either side.

01:29:30.000 It gives you this false sense of confidence and importance.

01:29:33.000 Remember, I was recently reading Ryan Holiday's new book, Ego is the Enemy.

01:29:37.000 And he has this story of the Persian king Xerxes, you know, who is immortalized in 300 and whatnot. 0.99

01:29:43.000 And this guy was such an egomaniac, it makes sense that he got his ass kicked, you know, repeatedly. 0.97

01:29:48.000 So they were building bridges over this canal, as the story the historians wrote. 0.99

01:29:53.000 And the water came up, the storm came in, storm surge, and it wiped out the bridges.

01:29:59.000 Well, then he ordered his men to take his chains and lash the water 30 times as punishment, you know, for knocking down the bridge.

01:30:07.000 And he cut off the people's heads who made the bridges, right? 1.00

01:30:09.000 So this fucking egomaniac. 0.99

01:30:11.000 And then another story where he's trying to build this tunnel under a mountain, and he sends a letter to the mountain, has his emissaries go out to announce this letter to the mountain, saying to the mountain, Mountain, if you give us any trouble, I will move you piece by piece into the sea. 0.99

01:30:27.000 King Xerxes. 0.99

01:30:29.000 What the fuck are you talking about? 0.99

01:30:32.000 No acknowledgement. 1.00

01:30:33.000 He's been fed his own bullshit so much that he thinks he's the god and he plays that role and then he runs into 300 bad motherfuckers at the hot gates at Thermopylae and they just wipe out half of his forces because he can't fucking see beyond it. 1.00

01:30:49.000 And there's so many ways that ego does that. 1.00

01:30:51.000 It either inflates you or it makes you too fragile.

01:30:54.000 And that's really, if you're going to be good at anything, you're going to have to come and confront that.

01:30:58.000 Confront that beast.

01:30:59.000 Well, isn't that the problem with royalty, too, is that it's just sort of bestowed upon you.

01:31:03.000 It's not earned.

01:31:03.000 And so you have this distorted perception of your own greatness.

01:31:07.000 Right.

01:31:07.000 That's sort of...

01:31:08.000 You could say that about a lot of hot chicks. 1.00

01:31:10.000 Yeah.

01:31:11.000 Royalty or like reality TV stars.

01:31:14.000 It's the same thing.

01:31:15.000 You have all of this bestowed upon you for...

01:31:18.000 Some mysterious combination of luck and timing and looks and whatever.

01:31:23.000 But royalty is the weirdest example of it.

01:31:25.000 You know, I was at Disneyland a few weeks back with my family.

01:31:29.000 And I was talking to this guy that works there.

01:31:31.000 And he was talking about this five-year-old boy who was a prince from some Middle Eastern country.

01:31:38.000 And he came here with this huge group of guardians and watchers or whatever it was.

01:31:44.000 But they were all at his beck and call.

01:31:47.000 And so this five-year-old was telling all these adults what he wanted, when he wanted it, what he wanted done, and they all just scrambled and ran over.

01:31:55.000 And he was saying like it was so bizarre watching all these people terrified at the wrath. 0.99

01:32:01.000 Terrifying of the wrath of a five-year-old boy and that this five-year-old boy wielded just fucking supernatural power. 0.99

01:32:09.000 And he never earned any of it. 0.99

01:32:11.000 He was just born a five-year-old boy.

01:32:15.000 He was born this little child and now he's lived for five years.

01:32:19.000 He's just a boy.

01:32:20.000 That's all he is. 0.99

01:32:21.000 Never done shit. 0.98

01:32:22.000 But they're all like, you know... 0.95

01:32:24.000 I actually have a really unique perspective on that because my parents split when I was two and very quickly two worlds developed.

01:32:32.000 My dad was a wealthy commodities trader and I was his only child on that side.

01:32:36.000 My mom remarried to a SWAT team squad leader who had three older boys.

01:32:42.000 So those were my older stepbrothers.

01:32:44.000 So at my dad's house, I was the little prince.

01:32:46.000 My dad was busy trading and doing his thing, and I had either bodyguards or other people around.

01:32:52.000 And I would develop these punk tendencies that come from that, from having basically servants taking care of me half the time.

01:33:01.000 And then I'd go back to my mother's house, and I split time half the week.

01:33:05.000 I'd go back to my mother's house, and my three older stepbrothers would just beat the punk out of me. 0.99

01:33:10.000 Literally. 1.00

01:33:11.000 Like, what the fuck are you doing? 1.00

01:33:13.000 You're being ridiculous here. 1.00

01:33:15.000 And so it allowed me this perspective where I didn't get to go and follow down that path too long because it's so alluring. 0.98

01:33:23.000 If you have power, you're going to take it, especially if you're young.

01:33:27.000 Like, oh, I got all this power.

01:33:28.000 Oh, I'm not going to take it.

01:33:30.000 I'm a five-year-old, but I know what's right.

01:33:33.000 If you can do that and you can push those buttons, you're for sure going to push those buttons as a kid.

01:33:38.000 So it's important to have that balance.

01:33:41.000 Fortunately for me, I had the other side to keep me in check. 0.98

01:33:44.000 Because I surely would have been a fucking menace if I had just gone down that other path. 0.99

01:33:50.000 That's perfect. 0.99

01:33:51.000 Older stepbrothers, too.

01:33:52.000 Not brothers, but stepbrothers.

01:33:54.000 For sure. 0.99

01:33:54.000 So they have no problem beating the shit out of you. 0.99

01:33:58.000 I remember one time, they bought us all paintball guns, and I remember one of my older stepbrothers just laid in wait behind a wall like this. 1.00

01:34:08.000 We were on the property, and he just could hear me coming and just shot me point blank in the fucking face. 0.99

01:34:14.000 This paintball gun just lit me up, you know? 0.99

01:34:17.000 And that's the thing, like, obviously at the time I was not happy about it, but this, you learn things about the world and you get like a different toughness that comes from that form of resistance that if I didn't have that, I wouldn't be nearly the balanced person I was, you know, I am now. 0.98

01:34:32.000 And I'm not, fuck, I'm not perfect or balanced or anything, but that certainly fucking helped. 0.86

01:34:36.000 Yeah, I think competition is good for that too. 0.98

01:34:39.000 Failure, losing, especially individual one-on-one type competition where you realize the consequences of not working hard and you run into someone who has worked hard.

01:34:49.000 I remember in my competing days, I had a chance to see some...

01:34:54.000 When I was 19, I went to the Olympic Training Center, and there was the World Cup in Colorado Springs, and I got to see the best of the world compete.

01:35:04.000 And I remember seeing this insanely high level, and it was one of the most important things as far as my development as a competitor, seeing the top of the food chain, seeing the best guys, and realizing... 0.99

01:35:15.000 Fuck, look how hard they work. 0.99

01:35:17.000 Like, Jesus Christ. 1.00

01:35:18.000 I was watching them train.

01:35:19.000 I was watching guys compete.

01:35:20.000 And I was realizing, like, I'm not nearly as dedicated as these people are. 0.98

01:35:25.000 I have to ramp it up, like, in a big, big, big fucking way. 0.73

01:35:29.000 And seeing that and comparing yourself against other people's efforts and realizing that you fall short is so critical for people. 0.99

01:35:37.000 It's so critical to realize, like, oh, that guy would fuck me up. 1.00

01:35:43.000 Because if you're that five-year-old prince, that five-year-old prince probably has no idea that someone could beat his ass. 1.00

01:35:48.000 He probably just thinks he just gets to yell at you and you have to get on your knees and start bowing and lowering your head. 0.97

01:35:55.000 And if you don't experience other people's efforts, if you don't experience like... 0.99

01:36:03.000 A real competition where you see people pushing themselves as far as they can to try to win, like a race, where you see the last few meters of the race, where guys, you could see it in their face, the fucking struggle. 0.98

01:36:17.000 Oh! 0.60

01:36:19.000 If you never do that, if you never do that, if you never push to that very edge of physical capacity, then you don't really understand what's out there.

01:36:30.000 It's like one of the reasons why people who have never had any martial arts experience at all or don't know how to fight at all get so weird around confrontation with men. 0.83

01:36:40.000 I mean, how many times have you been around men who don't know how to fight, but all of a sudden they get a few drinks in them and they start yelling at people and talking crazy shit. 0.75

01:36:48.000 It's like they don't know what to do. 0.98

01:36:50.000 They're like confused.

01:36:52.000 And so they're almost inviting their own doom. 0.99

01:36:55.000 They're almost like sending out a bat signal for someone to punch them in the face. 1.00

01:36:59.000 It's almost like a subconscious thing where they want someone to kick their ass because they kind of know that they're so unbalanced in their approach. 1.00

01:37:07.000 Like the Fight Club moment. 0.99

01:37:10.000 They're going to light their own place on fire and beat themselves up just to get that attribute out.

01:37:14.000 But you see that.

01:37:15.000 And the other thing is where people just don't take the idea that there may be consequences to their action to heart.

01:37:21.000 I had a perfect example of this.

01:37:23.000 I was after partying with an ex-gamer.

01:37:25.000 I won't mention anything further than that.

01:37:27.000 But an ex-game guy.

01:37:28.000 Super successful.

01:37:29.000 Like 20-year-old kid.

01:37:32.000 And he's been so successful for so long.

01:37:35.000 One of those child prodigies, right? 0.69

01:37:38.000 And we go, and he's over at my apartment downtown in Austin.

01:37:41.000 We were having fun.

01:37:43.000 And he continues to...

01:37:44.000 He goes and immediately puts on his music, and then he cranks it all the way up, full volume.

01:37:47.000 I'm like, yo, man, we got neighbors. 1.00

01:37:49.000 You can't do that shit. 1.00

01:37:50.000 You know, you can't crank it up. 1.00

01:37:51.000 He's like, okay.

01:37:52.000 And then he goes and he does it again.

01:37:54.000 And he goes and he does it again.

01:37:55.000 And I keep warning him, like, man.

01:37:56.000 So finally, like, time number five, I go up to him. 0.99

01:38:00.000 I go, you turn the fucking volume up. 1.00

01:38:02.000 Shit's gonna get real. 1.00

01:38:03.000 And I looked at him with a total different tone. 0.99

01:38:05.000 And then he looked at me like... 0.82

01:38:07.000 Oh my God, I didn't think that that consequence of my actions was even a fucking feasible possibility. 0.99

01:38:13.000 Like that moment of like, oh shit, this other dude may punch me if I fucking do this again and be that disrespectful. 0.99

01:38:20.000 It was like, you know, for him, he had surrounded himself with other people in this environment where just having respect for somebody and the consequences for repeated disrespect might actually be there was like a world-changing moment for him where he looked up like, Oh, 1.00

01:38:36.000 shit. 0.97

01:38:36.000 This is weird. 0.97

01:38:37.000 Yeah, I'm royalty.

01:38:39.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:38:39.000 You can't punch me.

01:38:40.000 Exactly.

01:38:41.000 And then after that, he was like, shook by it.

01:38:43.000 And he kept saying like, oh, man, you know, no disrespect, blah, blah, blah. 1.00

01:38:46.000 But he needed that moment of like, look, bro, fucking shit will get real. 1.00

01:38:51.000 There are consequences. 1.00

01:38:52.000 You know, this is not some fucking fantasy land here. 0.98

01:38:55.000 And then that moment totally changed things. 0.97

01:38:59.000 But people don't get those when they don't have that resistance.

01:39:02.000 They don't have the older stepbrother. 1.00

01:39:03.000 They don't have that person that can step in and be like, yo, fucking knock that shit off. 1.00

01:39:09.000 Pay attention to the other people, too. 1.00

01:39:10.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:39:11.000 Don't just do what you want.

01:39:12.000 Exactly.

01:39:13.000 You know, there's a thing about, like, not necessarily just ex-gamers, but people that do these extreme sports.

01:39:19.000 There's a lot of these guys are like...

01:39:22.000 I don't want to say, like, pranksters, but they revel in annoying people and pissing people off and the attention that they get from it.

01:39:30.000 It's real strange. 0.99

01:39:32.000 Like, there's a strange, like, sort of a vibe that comes with a lot of BMX jumpers and all these crazy fucks that do a lot of risky shit. 0.97

01:39:39.000 They have that sort of personality trait where they're constantly, like, pushing the envelope in some sort of a strange way. 0.97

01:39:46.000 Yeah.

01:39:46.000 You know?

01:39:46.000 They like people pissed at them.

01:39:49.000 Ah!

01:39:50.000 You mad! 1.00

01:39:50.000 Ha! 1.00

01:39:51.000 Ha! 1.00

01:39:52.000 And it may come from the fact that, particularly skateboarders, they're constantly getting persecuted by lame-ass authority figures telling them not to skate on their fucking handrails. 1.00

01:40:01.000 Some banker comes up, don't skate on my handrails, kid, you fucking punk. 1.00

01:40:06.000 So they're constantly being chased around by people who are dummies. 1.00

01:40:09.000 And so maybe it develops this kind of like... 0.95

01:40:12.000 Counter this reaction. 1.00

01:40:14.000 So that reaction of being persecuted for doing what they're enjoying to do creates this like, yeah, fuck the man. 1.00

01:40:19.000 Yeah, but maybe they should yell at him. 1.00

01:40:21.000 Like if I was fucking walking down that hill and some dude came flying down the rail and broke my leg, I'd be like, you piece of shit. 1.00

01:40:28.000 Like a lot of those guys are fucking nuts, man. 1.00

01:40:31.000 And they'll put people in danger. 1.00

01:40:32.000 Like I've seen some crazy stunts on YouTube where these dudes jump on top of these reelings and slide them to the bottom and fuck up and plow into people. 0.82

01:40:43.000 The world is not an X game.

01:40:46.000 You can't just do that with a bunch of other people around.

01:40:51.000 But some of those folks don't care. 0.96

01:40:54.000 Certainly not. 0.99

01:40:55.000 And I think we appreciate that, not giving a fuck. 0.99

01:40:58.000 Like the old Johnny Knoxville and Steve-O. You had Steve-O on the podcast, right? 0.99

01:41:03.000 Yeah, I love that dude.

01:41:04.000 He's still doing it.

01:41:05.000 He's like deep in his 30s. 0.99

01:41:07.000 He's still climbing up on top of gigantic towers and cranes and shit and risking his life. 0.98

01:41:13.000 I mean, he fell off of a billboard. 0.99

01:41:15.000 He was climbing up on top of a billboard to shit on SeaWorld to change a street sign. 0.99

01:41:23.000 What's that? 0.99

01:41:24.000 It's 42?

01:41:25.000 Is he?

01:41:25.000 Jesus Christ!

01:41:27.000 Like, you could break a lot of shit falling from that high. 1.00

01:41:30.000 And he fell. 1.00

01:41:31.000 He's just so ridiculous. 0.99

01:41:32.000 He's hilarious, though. 0.98

01:41:33.000 He also did something that I was kind of trying to tell him not to do.

01:41:37.000 He had Tim Kennedy choke him out in his Showtime special.

01:41:41.000 Mm-hmm.

01:41:42.000 Tim Kennedy choked him out.

01:41:43.000 He went completely unconscious and bounced his head off the ground.

01:41:47.000 Ka-blonk! 1.00

01:41:48.000 I mean, if you ask Tim Kennedy to choke you out, you're going to sleepy sleep sleep sleep.

01:41:57.000 That's deeper than REO. Is there a video of that?

01:41:59.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

01:42:00.000 Here, let's play it, man.

01:42:03.000 So look at this.

01:42:05.000 Oh my god, there's no sound?

01:42:07.000 No.

01:42:07.000 Okay, so he's not just choking him.

01:42:10.000 He's choking him for quite a few seconds.

01:42:12.000 He's already out.

01:42:13.000 Like, look at that.

01:42:14.000 That is not cool.

01:42:16.000 Like, Tim shouldn't have done that.

01:42:18.000 Like, right there, the drop. 0.99

01:42:20.000 That is a fucking huge head wound. 0.99

01:42:23.000 To drop and bounce your head off the ground like that, that is really bad. 0.99

01:42:29.000 Tim should have let that dude down a little lighter.

01:42:31.000 That's probably Steve-O's agreement. 0.99

01:42:34.000 Steve-O wanted it to be fucking savage. 0.99

01:42:39.000 Maybe. 0.99

01:42:40.000 You think he asked for that?

01:42:41.000 He didn't know then.

01:42:43.000 Tim should have known.

01:42:44.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:42:44.000 Sam doesn't give a fuck. 0.99

01:42:45.000 He's been knocked out. 1.00

01:42:46.000 No. 1.00

01:42:47.000 He doesn't give a fuck. 1.00

01:42:48.000 Someone tells him to do it. 0.99

01:42:49.000 Yeah.

01:42:49.000 He's got a lot of that wolf in him.

01:42:51.000 Oh.

01:42:52.000 He's like 70% wolf. 0.70

01:42:54.000 I get to choke you out and drop you? 1.00

01:42:56.000 He's like, sure. 1.00

01:42:57.000 He has hashtag hard to kill on like half of his fucking posts. 1.00

01:43:01.000 He put a fucking post out with Isis giving his address. 1.00

01:43:06.000 I know. 1.00

01:43:06.000 Like, come get me, bitch. 1.00

01:43:07.000 I know. 0.99

01:43:08.000 I mean, I've gotten to know him real well because he trains at the Onan Academy, so I see him coming through there all the time.

01:43:13.000 And just the sweetest dude.

01:43:15.000 It's great! 1.00

01:43:16.000 And he shows up, like, no chip on his shoulder, no, like, he comes in wearing silly little shorts and a fanny pack and just a big old smile on his face and a silly fucking mustache. 1.00

01:43:26.000 And just, he's got nothing to prove. 0.99

01:43:29.000 But then he has that switch, you know, obviously where... 1.00

01:43:34.000 He can do whatever, access whatever that place is, that fucking wolf heart. 0.98

01:43:38.000 Is this a new post of his, Jamie, that you put up? 1.00

01:43:41.000 It says, my friends and I are just kicking back, waiting for the call when we can fight these bastards the way we need to and not go to jail. 0.97

01:43:48.000 Hashtag still serving. 0.99

01:43:49.000 Hashtag hard to kill.

01:43:51.000 Let us know when it's time. 0.99

01:43:53.000 He's got his shirt off with an axe with one of those ridiculous, what are those things called? 0.95

01:43:59.000 Guy Fawkes beard and mustache? 0.96

01:44:03.000 Yeah, like musketeer style.

01:44:05.000 Yeah, musketeer style.

01:44:06.000 He's an animal.

01:44:06.000 But we need people like that.

01:44:09.000 That's the extreme on the warrior end of the spectrum.

01:44:14.000 That's the extreme.

01:44:15.000 You know, the flamboyant warrior.

01:44:18.000 Yeah.

01:44:19.000 And the thing that you can really appreciate is the truth of it.

01:44:23.000 It cuts all the way through to the core. 0.93

01:44:25.000 The people that you shake them a little bit and some other person emerges and you shake them again like a fucking magic eight ball and they got another thing that's going to come out. 1.00

01:44:34.000 Those are the people that are the worst. 0.99

01:44:35.000 You shake Tim, it's Tim.

01:44:37.000 You shake Tim, it's Tim.

01:44:38.000 If you shake him again, it's a little slightly angrier Tim. 0.99

01:44:40.000 It's the same fucking guy and that's always a beautiful thing when you see it. 1.00

01:44:44.000 People who've dealt with those deeper things, they've reconciled all these forces that, you know, you're not going to put them in a situation where this other person emerges and you're like, what the fuck is this selfish piece of shit guy, you know? 0.99

01:44:56.000 Yeah, and this is also something that we were talking about earlier when you were talking about people like the camaraderie and the craziness of going to war that they actually enjoy it and become happy there in some sort of a weird way because life becomes real. 0.97

01:45:12.000 Because life becomes real in this chaotic moment.

01:45:15.000 I think it was a TED Radio Hour.

01:45:18.000 It might have been a Radiolab podcast.

01:45:20.000 I think it was a TED Radio Hour.

01:45:22.000 But they were talking to soldiers, and they were talking to people about happiness.

01:45:28.000 It was a TED show.

01:45:29.000 It was a TED talk.

01:45:30.000 They were talking about happiness.

01:45:32.000 And one of the things they got into was these people that went over to Iraq and Afghanistan and served, and they would come back and talk about it.

01:45:41.000 And they said, it was horrific, it was chaotic, it was scary, but it was the happiest days of my life.

01:45:46.000 And one of the reasons why it was the happiest days of their life was this intense bond and camaraderie that they had developed with these other people that they were serving with.

01:45:55.000 There's nothing like it.

01:45:56.000 There's no sort of closeness and bond of brotherhood that even comes close to the bond of brotherhood when you need to rely on these people and they rely on you for your very life and you're taking other people's lives.

01:46:11.000 Yeah, I think that's a huge missing piece in our society.

01:46:14.000 And I think a few people get to access it on sports teams and on different, you know, and obviously in war.

01:46:20.000 But I think, you know, that tribal element of going through these shared rites of passages and going through these things that bonded a group together so that you really had true altruistic love for I think that's a deep calling that we've kind of ignored.

01:46:37.000 Those soldiers would truly fight and die for each other, which is the epitome of altruism.

01:46:44.000 It's wanting the other person's good even at the cost of your own.

01:46:48.000 And that's a feeling that I think feels inherently the best.

01:46:52.000 It's our natural state to be this, like the sun of love, you know, like just pouring it out and not deciding who gets it, but truly feeling that way about a group of people.

01:47:02.000 And I think there's, you know, as we develop, I think that's, you know, one of the concepts that I'm always talking about is recreating some kind of tribal element where you do go through these rites of passage and doesn't have to involve war, which is inherently...

01:47:16.000 An unsustainable and unnecessary practice.

01:47:19.000 But how do you create that same closeness, but do it through ritual, do it through, you know, going and climbing this mountain and taking this psychedelic, however you want to do it, you know, in a way that can bond you together with the group.

01:47:31.000 So you have those feelings where there's nothing you're holding back.

01:47:35.000 Your truth is completely exposed.

01:47:37.000 You're naked with all your intentions and thoughts and ideas.

01:47:40.000 And you just truly want the best for another individual.

01:47:42.000 And that feeling of tribe, that's what tribe is.

01:47:46.000 And I think we're missing that.

01:47:48.000 We have ourselves in this small nuclear unit.

01:47:50.000 And then we have this whole wide world, which is too big to really care to that degree about.

01:47:56.000 And we're missing the intermediary, which is this band, this group, this family that we're willing to do anything for.

01:48:03.000 Yeah.

01:48:03.000 And then obviously expanding that even further from your media group to the rest of the human race.

01:48:08.000 Yeah.

01:48:09.000 So difficult to even conceptualize.

01:48:13.000 When Tim Kennedy fought, there was a fight for the troops, and I believe it was in Texas.

01:48:20.000 Was that where it was?

01:48:21.000 He fought Rafael Natal, and he knocked him out.

01:48:25.000 I don't think they even captured this on film.

01:48:29.000 Tim hopped on top of the fence and was...

01:48:34.000 Just calling out to all the troops.

01:48:36.000 I mean, I really don't think, I don't know if the cameras caught this or not, but he was pointing to everybody.

01:48:42.000 He was just telling them he loved them.

01:48:44.000 He's like, I love you guys.

01:48:46.000 I love all you guys.

01:48:47.000 He was pointing at people.

01:48:48.000 I love you guys.

01:48:49.000 And then, like, what he was doing, I mean, he's served.

01:48:53.000 He's fought.

01:48:54.000 I mean, he's served in combat many, many times.

01:48:56.000 He's still serving now.

01:48:58.000 The reality of his expression and his love for those people, it was very, very intensely moving.

01:49:06.000 It was one of the most intensely moving post-fight speeches or post-fight celebrations I've ever experienced.

01:49:12.000 Not one of the, the most that I've ever experienced.

01:49:15.000 And they were pushing so much energy back to him, chanting and just...

01:49:20.000 It was this really amazing moment.

01:49:22.000 I mean, you imagine those...

01:49:23.000 You read about those moments in history where the great leaders...

01:49:26.000 You know, come and have that moment with their troops.

01:49:30.000 And you don't see that now in today's warfare.

01:49:34.000 There's no that Independence Day moment where they give that rousing speech and everybody's just pounding their chest.

01:49:41.000 And, you know, that was...

01:49:43.000 That's something that's really deeply moving and powerful.

01:49:46.000 And to have that, you need to have that force of resistance that you're all allied against.

01:49:52.000 So you're all banded together against that other thing.

01:49:56.000 And it's just choosing a thing that is truly worthy of your fight.

01:50:01.000 So choosing to fight against something that's not just another people or another race or all the stupid things that we choose to fight against, but choosing to fight against something truly worthy of that fight.

01:50:12.000 Yeah, and this thing to them, to these soldiers, was this concept of the enemy being a truly evil force.

01:50:22.000 Whether it's ISIS or whether it's anything else, these guys were all united against it.

01:50:27.000 And to have Tim Kennedy as this person who's like a figurehead representing them and win by knockout in a military base.

01:50:35.000 In such a spectacular fashion on television and understanding all the weight behind all that because there are cameras.

01:50:41.000 It is being televised.

01:50:42.000 It is being broadcast all throughout the world.

01:50:44.000 It will be available forever on the internet and through the UFC Fight Pass archives.

01:50:50.000 You'll always be able to watch that. 0.95

01:50:52.000 And when he connected with that left hook and the crowd fucking roared and Natal went out. 0.99

01:50:57.000 It was nuts, man. 0.99

01:50:58.000 It was nuts.

01:51:00.000 You know, like history, especially like history of Rome, which I'm most familiar with, there was always these moments in time, you know, where a leader would naturally emerge like that, for whatever reason. 0.99

01:51:11.000 And then it always made the emperors really squirrely, because at any point in time, that person could all of a sudden be like, Yep, my army now, bitch. 0.98

01:51:19.000 Yeah. 0.97

01:51:19.000 You know, obviously that can't happen in that time. 0.97

01:51:22.000 But if Tim said, you know, if Tim after that jumped off the cage and said, will you follow me? 1.00

01:51:28.000 Like fucking all of them be like, yeah, fuck it. 0.99

01:51:30.000 How about a Tim, Tim Kennedy and Brian Stan run for president? 1.00

01:51:33.000 I'm in.

01:51:34.000 Totally.

01:51:35.000 I'm in.

01:51:36.000 I'll campaign.

01:51:37.000 I'll follow them around the country.

01:51:39.000 Yeah, that's what we need.

01:51:42.000 We need someone who understands the realities and the consequences of what these people in these hallowed halls of justice are trying to pull off all throughout the world.

01:51:53.000 Instead of having these old chicken hawks, they're sitting in these...

01:51:59.000 It was one of the best quotes from the documentary on Hunter S. Thompson, where he was talking to, it wasn't Ed Muskie, it was McGovern.

01:52:12.000 And McGovern was saying, I'm sick of old men in air-conditioned buildings sending young men to go off and die in war.

01:52:21.000 Mm-hmm.

01:52:22.000 And that's really one of the most despicable aspects of the decision-making process by quote-unquote leaders, is that their consequences are so minimal.

01:52:33.000 I mean, if every single politician and leader had to be at the head of the army, had to go to the fray, had to be on the front lines, how many actual wars would we get into?

01:52:48.000 Or serve, let's say they weren't capable of fighting, but at least they would have to serve at the frontline hospital.

01:52:54.000 So that every person, like for a week, you're at the front lines, you're just a nurse assistant.

01:52:59.000 So everybody coming back blown up, shrapnel, can you pass this message to my sweetheart?

01:53:06.000 Can you tell this to my mother?

01:53:07.000 They're receiving that.

01:53:08.000 So at least they have to get in touch with it.

01:53:11.000 And understand the consequences of what they're doing.

01:53:13.000 But it's easy to get this sociopathic kind of mindset.

01:53:17.000 Like, oh, these are just pieces of those conquest boards that look like big chess boards that you see in Game of Thrones or whatever.

01:53:25.000 Oh, I move my troops here.

01:53:26.000 I move this.

01:53:27.000 It becomes all strategy, but you lose the humanity of it.

01:53:30.000 You lose that connection.

01:53:32.000 With really who you're dealing with.

01:53:34.000 And those moments are incredibly important to really keep the thing going.

01:53:39.000 Keep you in line.

01:53:42.000 Yeah, and people would say, well, if they did do that, war would be impossible the way we need it and the way we do it now.

01:53:47.000 Yeah, exactly. 1.00

01:53:48.000 Yeah, don't do it that way, you fuck. 1.00

01:53:50.000 That's what we're trying to say. 1.00

01:53:51.000 It's one of the main problems with war and with leadership is that the people that are in charge at the very top in a lot of ways are behaving like that five-year-old boy at Disneyland who's a prince.

01:54:03.000 They have too much power with no consequences.

01:54:05.000 They have too much power that essentially they haven't really earned.

01:54:09.000 You know, when you got a guy like Jocko Willink who was A real military hero who was over there commanding.

01:54:18.000 When that guy talks about the military or talks about war or talks about actions, the respect is not...

01:54:25.000 You don't need to respect him.

01:54:27.000 You're going to respect him.

01:54:28.000 You're going to understand that this is a guy who's been there and you're going to listen because it's real.

01:54:33.000 When a guy like...

01:54:35.000 Dick Cheney starts talking about military actions. 0.93

01:54:38.000 You're dealing with some fucking weird detachment from the reality and consequences of war from a guy who, during the Iraq invasion, a lot of the times was in a bunker. 0.93

01:54:52.000 Remember that? 0.98

01:54:53.000 Remember they would talk about him being in some underground bunker?

01:54:56.000 And I was always like, why is Dick Cheney in the bunker and George W. Bush is on TV? Like, who the fuck is running this country for real? 0.99

01:55:03.000 But these guys that got multiple deferments like Dick Cheney did to avoid actually serving in the war. 0.99

01:55:10.000 I mean, I think he got several deferments to avoid having to actually see real combat.

01:55:16.000 Those are not the people that should ever be able to make those kind of decisions to put people in harm's way.

01:55:21.000 They just shouldn't be able to.

01:55:23.000 You need a guy like Jocko.

01:55:24.000 You need a guy like Tim Kennedy.

01:55:25.000 You need someone who's actually been there.

01:55:28.000 Yeah, no doubt.

01:55:29.000 It's an interesting time.

01:55:31.000 And the nature of war is, I don't think we're, obviously, with post-traumatic stress being such an epidemic that it is now, we're not adequately dealing with that element of things.

01:55:43.000 I mean, it's an incredibly traumatic aspect of, we're not prepared for death can come at any moment unseen.

01:55:51.000 Our bodies, yeah, it makes sense.

01:55:53.000 All right, there's the barbarian horde.

01:55:54.000 They're going to run with their pointy thing, and I'm going to have time to run at them with my pointy thing, and that's when death might come.

01:56:02.000 But death's not going to come from this random explosion that happens.

01:56:06.000 Every car could be a bomb, all of this.

01:56:09.000 It's this crazy time that we're in, and we have to really pay attention to what that's doing to the humans and use the best technology available to fix that.

01:56:17.000 And I think, obviously, Rick Doblin, who's been on here a few times, is on the forefront of that Yeah.

01:56:21.000 But we're just looking at the whole thing completely wrong.

01:56:24.000 You know, we have old ideas, bad ideas, bad leaders.

01:56:27.000 And it's again that thing where truth is there.

01:56:29.000 We understand that there's this epidemic.

01:56:31.000 We understand here's some possible ways to fix it, but it hasn't percolated all the way through.

01:56:36.000 So we're in this transition period that's, you know, it's ugly right now in a lot of ways.

01:56:41.000 But you can see the horizon.

01:56:43.000 You see that sun poking through the clouds and you know that truth just has a different resonance.

01:56:48.000 It has a different frequency.

01:56:50.000 And it's adopted eventually.

01:56:52.000 You know, it's only, you know, there'll be people who still think there's flat earth and whatever.

01:56:56.000 There'll be some resistance to truth.

01:57:00.000 But for most of us, it has that frequency and that resonance where it's going to eventually win.

01:57:05.000 And that's what gives me a lot of confidence.

01:57:08.000 I'm just kidding.

01:57:08.000 Eddie said he doesn't believe the earth is flat earth.

01:57:10.000 He does post a lot of pictures of the fucking planet. 0.99

01:57:12.000 I know he does. 0.98

01:57:12.000 He posted a whole video the other day about some dude who was arguing against the flat earth or for the flat earth in the weirdest way possible. 0.98

01:57:20.000 But what I was talking about before that I don't know if I articulated it so well is that when you look at our culture and look at society and then you think back to the time of Xerxes and all the crazy shit that was going on, Thousand years ago or two thousand years ago.

01:57:37.000 That's not that long ago, man.

01:57:38.000 No, it's not it seems like it is it seems like it is but like When I was listening to Dan Carlin's hardcore history and he was talking about world war world war one And he does this amazing, I think it's a five-part series on World War I. And it sinks in like,

01:57:56.000 Jesus Christ, that was a hundred years ago.

01:57:57.000 Like, that's nothing. 0.99

01:57:58.000 That is fucking nothing. 0.99

01:58:00.000 Like, that is so recent. 0.99

01:58:02.000 And the world is so different now than a hundred years ago.

01:58:05.000 And a hundred years before that, so different.

01:58:07.000 And then, you know, he had this piece on the Mongols a thousand years ago.

01:58:11.000 Well, not much different.

01:58:13.000 You know, it's like...

01:58:15.000 I mean, not much different in terms of the relationship between then and now.

01:58:19.000 It's so recent.

01:58:21.000 So recent.

01:58:22.000 A thousand years is nothing in the scope of the world.

01:58:26.000 Right.

01:58:26.000 You know?

01:58:27.000 And then you take it back it out to, you know, some of Graham Hancock's theories that he puts out in Magicians, which seem to make a lot of sense, that we'd reached heightened states before and gotten kind of wiped out and restarted.

01:58:38.000 How many times did that happen?

01:58:40.000 How many times did we restart?

01:58:42.000 You know, hit the reset button.

01:58:43.000 100%.

01:58:44.000 With Randall Carlson's evidence, with the two of them together, they really sort of both provided the missing pieces that each other need.

01:58:51.000 And if you've never heard those podcasts, they're some of my all-time favorite podcasts.

01:58:56.000 The Randall Carlson ones, and the Graham Hancock ones, and the one time that I had the two of them on together, which was just a fucking epic meeting of the minds.

01:59:02.000 The world has most likely experienced some cataclysmic disasters, most likely due to asteroid impacts.

01:59:09.000 And it was most likely the cause of the end of the Ice Age and also the collapse of whatever civilization was available then and the rebirth of what we're seeing now as ancient history.

01:59:22.000 So when we look back at things six, seven thousand years ago, we think, wow, this is the dawn of civilization.

01:59:28.000 Not so fast.

01:59:29.000 This is the dawn of this current era of civilization before we get hit again.

01:59:35.000 And that is entirely possible.

01:59:37.000 And it's the crest of this wave.

01:59:38.000 Maybe they got hit in the 1920s level of technology or something like that.

01:59:44.000 Exactly.

01:59:44.000 And they didn't reach 2016 level, which is probably most likely.

01:59:49.000 I think we've probably advanced the farthest that we've gone in the wave.

01:59:53.000 But who knows how far they got? 1.00

01:59:54.000 Maybe it was 1850 where they're shooting fucking revolvers and fucking whores in saloons and whatever. 1.00

02:00:00.000 Or maybe it was some amalgamation. 1.00

02:00:02.000 Surely it was different. 0.93

02:00:03.000 It's going to be they had some things that may be better and other things that were still kind of silly.

02:00:08.000 But it's really interesting to explore that and give yourself some perspective on...

02:00:14.000 Yeah, they have sort of a parallel development in terms of their achievement, but in a different way.

02:00:21.000 Like Egypt. 0.98

02:00:22.000 To this day, we can't build those fucking buildings the way they did it. 1.00

02:00:26.000 People could say, oh, we certainly could. 0.99

02:00:28.000 2,500,000 stones that weigh between 2 and 80 tons.

02:00:33.000 If you put 10 of those a day in place, it would take you 600 plus years to make the Great Pyramid of Giza. 0.97

02:00:41.000 That's how fucking crazy that building is. 1.00

02:00:43.000 So if you say we could build that today, good luck, bitch. 1.00

02:00:46.000 You need more faith in the unions, bro. 0.99

02:00:48.000 Unions will get it done. 1.00

02:00:49.000 If you're off by literally like a quarter of a centimeter with each block, you're fucked by the time you get to the top. 0.99

02:00:56.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:00:57.000 Think of that. 0.98

02:00:58.000 Like, if you're lopsided one way or the other, by the time you get to the top, you're fucking doomed. 0.82

02:01:03.000 There's an interesting theories about how they did it, but none of them really sink in.

02:01:10.000 All we definitely know is it took an incredible level of sophistication, and it was done...

02:01:17.000 The most recent it could have happened was 2500 BC, which is just nuts!

02:01:24.000 Nuts! 0.70

02:01:25.000 They were so smart.

02:01:26.000 And it's not just Egypt.

02:01:27.000 You go to Peru.

02:01:28.000 I think I've shared that photo of me and Oya and Taitambo, the same one that Crazy Tsoukalos shared as well. 0.98

02:01:34.000 You go there and you look at the way the stones fit together and look at how the things are carved out and it just doesn't make any sense.

02:01:40.000 The size of the stones. 0.98

02:01:41.000 Like what the fuck did you do? 0.99

02:01:43.000 How did you do this? 1.00

02:01:45.000 God, it would give so much to see the construction of the pyramids.

02:01:48.000 If there was like one time in history, if you could take that sort of a time capsule and go back and watch, for me, it would be ancient Egypt.

02:01:56.000 For me, for sure. 0.99

02:01:57.000 I would want to see how those crazy fuckers were walking around with their wacky goth makeup on and weird golden robes and making those hieroglyphs. 1.00

02:02:07.000 God, what a fascinating weird blip. 1.00

02:02:12.000 Or weird era in the development of the human mind and of culture.

02:02:18.000 If you think of what they were capable of doing and what they did accomplish over who knows how many, you know, we're sort of going back trying to piece it all together, but one of the things that Graham Hancock and even more importantly John Anthony West, John Anthony West has a new series apparently,

02:02:34.000 Magical Egypt 2. I haven't seen it yet, but Magical Egypt 1 is just Fucking mind-blowing when he goes into great detail about the different construction methods from the old kingdom to the new kingdom and that he points out that this is most likely evidence of a different era of construction and not just a different era but different by 10,000 years maybe and that the hieroglyphs on the inside of some of the pyramids Which dictate,

02:03:03.000 or rather, which go over and depict the various pharaohs throughout the different stages of Egypt, they go back 30,000 years.

02:03:15.000 But what modern Egyptologists choose to do is to say, well, that was all fiction.

02:03:21.000 Anything more than 6,000 years ago is just fiction. 0.99

02:03:24.000 Like, okay, says who, bitch? 1.00

02:03:25.000 Says who? 1.00

02:03:27.000 How do you know?

02:03:29.000 It's crazy enough that they did this 4,500 years ago.

02:03:34.000 That's just crazy enough, okay?

02:03:36.000 But it's no more crazy to think that they were doing it 30,000 years before that.

02:03:40.000 Like, this whole thing is this majestic sort of monument to human innovation in a weird way that's not like what we do now with cement and steel and glass and asphalt roadways and fiber optic cables.

02:03:59.000 No, they had some other thing going on.

02:04:03.000 And I think Graham makes that kind of a cool point.

02:04:05.000 Like, they were building something specifically for permanence.

02:04:09.000 Yeah.

02:04:09.000 Like, why?

02:04:10.000 Why did they want it to extend through time? 0.99

02:04:13.000 Because all of our shit, you know, another Ice Age hits and, you know, the ice moves in and starts grinding everything. 0.98

02:04:19.000 Basically grind most of what we have to dust anyways, you know? 0.99

02:04:23.000 But they were creating these big stone blocks, these things that were harder, you know, that would withstand the test of time.

02:04:31.000 And why?

02:04:32.000 Yeah.

02:04:32.000 And that's kind of an interesting speculative part of Graham's theory, but what seems concrete is that there was these cultures advanced and decided to do it.

02:04:41.000 Now, why gets into the speculation, but Gobekli Tepe and Gunung Panang and Indonesia and then Egypt and all of these places.

02:04:49.000 Really, really super interesting.

02:04:51.000 And interesting to imagine, you know, if the Flood did kill off most of that civilization, then they kind of just settled in different places in the accounts.

02:04:59.000 Just one of the best books, I think, ever written was Magicians.

02:05:03.000 And just going into the mindset of, you know, he talks about, they called these people watchers.

02:05:07.000 And then some of the watchers, you know, would get a bad reputation because they like sleeping with the local girls. 1.00

02:05:12.000 So they would be like the bad watchers.

02:05:14.000 And then the good watchers.

02:05:16.000 Well, maybe they were just the pimps of their time, you know.

02:05:18.000 Yeah.

02:05:18.000 They were eating more protein, so they're a little bigger.

02:05:21.000 They're a little smarter, so of course the girls like them. 0.96

02:05:24.000 Why you gotta hate on the watchers?

02:05:27.000 Well, when they burned the Library of Alexandria, man, did they do the human race a massive disservice.

02:05:32.000 We could have learned so much. 0.99

02:05:34.000 Could have learned so much about why the ancient Greeks would go to Egypt to learn shit and to engage in psychedelic rituals. 0.97

02:05:41.000 It's funny that the greatest minds of their time would go specifically to Egypt to engage in these psychedelic rituals and to learn from the Egyptians. 0.93

02:05:50.000 The greatest minds of our time today will mock psychedelics.

02:05:55.000 It's kind of fascinating.

02:05:56.000 So few, in terms of mainstream, recognized scholars, will even entertain the possibility that there could be some beneficial aspects to engaging in ritualistic hallucinogenics Well, all of academia is about defending to the death your own structure of information and psychedelics are inherently disruptive and I think people have that knowledge. 0.91

02:06:19.000 They know like, shit, I may totally rethink all my whole theories and you'll have to confront those demons that you're hiding.

02:06:26.000 That which is hidden will come to the surface and that's generally the beauty of this process. 0.99

02:06:31.000 But if you're defending something, We're good to go.

02:06:40.000 We're good to go.

02:06:50.000 It becomes real to the ego, and so it fights as if it's defending your own blood and bone body, but it's not. 1.00

02:06:56.000 It's just, it's bullshit. 0.99

02:06:58.000 It's your identity. 1.00

02:06:59.000 It doesn't matter.

02:06:59.000 It can shift.

02:07:00.000 It's fluid.

02:07:01.000 It's a manufacturing of that ego, that attachment.

02:07:06.000 And so psychedelics are a threat to that.

02:07:08.000 If you've been defending something that you don't want to get challenged, it could threaten your position of authority and power, and people are afraid to do it.

02:07:16.000 There's no real other reason To have that fear widespread, yeah, there's a time and a place, and it's not for everybody, etc.

02:07:25.000 But, you know, really, it's such a powerful tool to access truth.

02:07:29.000 And you can't be afraid of truth. 0.90

02:07:31.000 It's just a silly position to be in.

02:07:32.000 Yeah, there's a really interesting documentary that's... 0.59

02:07:36.000 Funny enough, narrated by Charlton Heston about the mystery of the Sphinx.

02:07:41.000 I think it was on NBC at the time.

02:07:43.000 But one of the weirder moments in it was when Robert Schock, the geologist from Boston University, and John Anthony West presented this evidence that the Sphinx most likely was far older than 2500 BC because of the erosion in the Sphinx compound that could only be attributed to water.

02:08:02.000 I've heard arguments against it.

02:08:04.000 Um, against it being water and it being wind and sand, but they just, they don't fly.

02:08:09.000 It seems like they're working to try to make that a wind and sand erosion, whereas it's pretty obvious the fissures, the way it's cut into the, I mean, it makes total sense that it was water.

02:08:20.000 But the only thing that could make it water would be that it had to be before 9,000 B.C. Because 9,000 B, or 7,000 B.C., 9,000 years ago, one of those. 0.64

02:08:32.000 Somewhere a lot longer than 2500 BC. And the argument when it was presented to this archaeologist, he was laughing.

02:08:40.000 What culture was around 10,000 years ago that could have done this?

02:08:44.000 What culture?

02:08:45.000 Meanwhile, now we have those cultures.

02:08:48.000 Now we have real evidence Of Gobekli Tepe, which is 12,000 years old. 0.98

02:08:53.000 We have real evidence of all sorts of weird shit that they didn't know.

02:08:57.000 I mean, now they're finding evidence of human beings in North America 14,000 years ago. 0.98

02:09:04.000 They're finding woolly mammoth bones with clear indications that they were slaughtered by human beings, like cuts on the bones.

02:09:12.000 And they're like, oh, Jesus.

02:09:14.000 Like, people, we don't know.

02:09:16.000 We just don't know. 0.87

02:09:17.000 We don't know what the fuck happened between 10,000 years ago when the Ice Age ended and today. 0.86

02:09:24.000 There's just so much weirdness. 0.95

02:09:26.000 And we definitely don't know what the fuck happened before that. 0.65

02:09:29.000 Before that, there is a lot of unfilled pieces in that puzzle. 0.91

02:09:34.000 Yeah, it really is the greatest mystery of all.

02:09:38.000 It's like the greatest mystery novel that I've ever read was Graham Hancock's book.

02:09:43.000 It's just you're uncovering something that was real and trying to piece together the puzzle.

02:09:47.000 And in 20 years, from fingerprints to magicians, all the new evidence that have come has really supported his initial evidence, which was pretty good in fingerprints. 0.97

02:09:55.000 But then by magicians, it's like fucking overwhelming.

02:09:59.000 He was just so openly mocked by a lot of people that didn't want him to be right or didn't want anyone to achieve any sort of notoriety by having some sort of an innovative idea. 0.96

02:10:09.000 I mean, they pushed back on him so hard.

02:10:12.000 But the stuff that Randall Carlson presents...

02:10:15.000 Like these various craters that they've uncovered all throughout the world that indicate asteroid impacts as recently as 5,000 years ago and deep into 12,000, 10,000.

02:10:29.000 The nuclear glass they found all throughout Asia and Europe that indicates massive meteor impacts somewhere in the neighborhood of 11,000, 12,000 years ago.

02:10:40.000 Yeah.

02:10:40.000 I mean, it all makes sense.

02:10:42.000 It all files or fills in, like, well, what could have caused it? 0.99

02:10:47.000 Oh, that fucked a lot of shit up, for sure. 0.99

02:10:49.000 I mean, if you look at that nuclear glass, that's the same kind of shit that they find when they do nuclear tests. 1.00

02:10:56.000 And they find it all throughout Europe, all throughout Asia, which indicates that they literally got bombed on by the universe. 0.97

02:11:03.000 Yeah.

02:11:03.000 The circumstantial evidence is just mounting and mounting.

02:11:07.000 And it's interesting, you know, we hear about these things that are like myths.

02:11:10.000 And one of the ones that I saw that I'm not sure if it's true or not, but it's an interesting take on what actually happened to the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, because in the Bible...

02:11:20.000 We're good to go.

02:11:39.000 The ground temperature reached several hundred or thousand degrees or whatever. 0.95

02:11:44.000 So it was like this instant everybody's just fucking crispied. 0.92

02:11:48.000 And how do you explain that other than an angry god? 0.96

02:11:52.000 It doesn't make sense.

02:11:53.000 You have no idea.

02:11:54.000 So these stories and myths get passed down.

02:11:56.000 And they're like, well, why did that happen?

02:11:58.000 Well, I don't know, man. 0.99

02:11:59.000 I went to Sodom and there was some crazy shit going on. 1.00

02:12:01.000 They were butt-fucking... 1.00

02:12:03.000 So after the fact, you make up these stories like, man, of course. 0.99

02:12:07.000 That's why it happened.

02:12:08.000 It was just an unlucky party town.

02:12:10.000 It was Cancun.

02:12:11.000 It was hard to do.

02:12:12.000 I mean, that was hard to explain back then.

02:12:15.000 So people went to that. 1.00

02:12:17.000 But today, I mean, this guy in Orlando, obviously he's fucking crazy, right? 1.00

02:12:23.000 But he's killing gay people. 1.00

02:12:25.000 Because he thinks the gay people are doing something against God's will. 1.00

02:12:29.000 They're doing something bad and evil. 0.99

02:12:31.000 So in his mind, his wrath is like the wrath of God on these people.

02:12:38.000 In 2016, with the information that we have, With all the evidence that we have, there are still people that are inclined to go towards some sort of a biblical or, in his case, the Quran version of the reality in which we live in.

02:12:56.000 This is today.

02:12:58.000 When you're talking about 7,000, 8,000 years ago, God only knows what it would have been like.

02:13:04.000 It was probably straight out of Game of Thrones.

02:13:06.000 Like, the reaction that people had to any sort of a natural disaster, it had to be the will of the gods.

02:13:11.000 It had to definitely be something that our own actions had caused.

02:13:16.000 And so when someone would stand up, like the old dirty dude on Game of Thrones who wants everybody to repent.

02:13:23.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

02:13:23.000 What's his name?

02:13:24.000 High Sparrow.

02:13:24.000 High Sparrow, yeah.

02:13:26.000 When that type of person would stand up and tell the people, this is because you have angered God and it will come again if you keep doing that.

02:13:34.000 And God forbid...

02:13:36.000 God forbid, strange use of words, but another meteor shower.

02:13:40.000 I mean, meteor showers oftentimes they come like one after another after another.

02:13:44.000 And then he says this and then it happens again.

02:13:46.000 He's right.

02:13:46.000 I told you.

02:13:47.000 God is angry. 1.00

02:13:49.000 And then that shit gets passed on. 1.00

02:13:51.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:13:51.000 You know, projections. 1.00

02:13:52.000 And it is a really strange time.

02:13:54.000 And what I found interesting is I think that Christianity will never go away, Catholicism and these major religions, but they will evolve.

02:14:05.000 If you look at the trend, back in the Middle Ages, they were doing crazy things, torturing people. 0.89

02:14:10.000 I went to a dungeon of the Inquisition. 0.99

02:14:12.000 All of this crazy shit. 1.00

02:14:13.000 Where was that? 1.00

02:14:13.000 It was in Italy. 1.00

02:14:14.000 Where?

02:14:15.000 I'm going.

02:14:16.000 I'm going to Italy this summer.

02:14:17.000 Where's it at? 0.98

02:14:17.000 It was fucking horrifying. 0.98

02:14:18.000 It was in one of the mountain towns. 0.98

02:14:21.000 I don't know exactly when, but there's several of them there.

02:14:23.000 And all the different torture devices that they have.

02:14:26.000 So many of which, by the way, involve the genitals. 0.70

02:14:28.000 Like, I would say at least 40% involve different things, different ways to torture someone. 1.00

02:14:33.000 Balls and dick and pussy and tits and all this. 1.00

02:14:36.000 I mean, it's just these ways that they could channel their own perversions into this unarguable point about, you know, this is God, this is what God wants. 1.00

02:14:47.000 But they're really just pure sadists accessing that sadistic demonic energy.

02:14:53.000 And doing it under God's name.

02:14:55.000 And that's what happens when you create these systems that only a select few can access the knowledge.

02:15:00.000 Nobody else can talk to God.

02:15:01.000 These few people that did it and we're talking and we're the descendants of those people.

02:15:04.000 We guard the knowledge.

02:15:06.000 You can't reach it.

02:15:06.000 So it creates, instead of decentralizing it and opening up truth to everybody, it's a select few that have it.

02:15:12.000 Only a few people know God's will.

02:15:14.000 Not everybody can find it.

02:15:15.000 And that creates these massive power imbalances.

02:15:18.000 Whereas any good religion is going to completely decentralize and say, you know, not listen to me. 0.88

02:15:24.000 I'll tell you what God says.

02:15:26.000 Here's how you go talk to God yourself.

02:15:28.000 Here's how you reliably go find your own deepest truth.

02:15:31.000 You don't need me.

02:15:32.000 It's the same with any good teacher or any good healer.

02:15:36.000 The very base level is a teacher or healer who fixes you.

02:15:41.000 You come to him and he fixes you.

02:15:43.000 And then the next level is someone who teaches you how to fix yourself.

02:15:46.000 That's a master.

02:15:48.000 The gift.

02:15:48.000 Give a man a fish.

02:15:49.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:15:50.000 Yeah.

02:15:51.000 And then, you know, the final level is just to really, the great mystics, and even if you go back to Jesus and you go back to the really great mystics, their message truly is that, you know, you don't need us to fix you.

02:16:01.000 You're already whole.

02:16:02.000 Like, just recognize that you're already whole.

02:16:04.000 You're already perfect.

02:16:05.000 You know, you are the Son of Man.

02:16:08.000 You are God.

02:16:09.000 I mean, that was really the core message that got twisted in a million different ways and manipulated for power.

02:16:16.000 There's one of the other more interesting podcasts from Dan Carlin was on Martin Luther and Lutherism.

02:16:23.000 Lutheran?

02:16:24.000 Lutheran?

02:16:25.000 The Lutheran discipline? 0.88

02:16:26.000 And that he was the first one to translate the Bible from Latin into German.

02:16:34.000 And translate it in a phonetic way, that the people could actually understand what the Word of God was and not have to be a priest, because they were relying upon these priests.

02:16:43.000 And not only that, he was also the first one to say that your interpretation of what God meant is essentially up to you.

02:16:52.000 Which was just blasphemy to these people that had massive amounts of control.

02:16:57.000 I think if you're looking for that one, I think it's called The Prophets of Doom or The Prophet of Doom.

02:17:02.000 I think that's the name of the podcast from Carlin on that insane time.

02:17:09.000 But it's amazing, amazing to think that, you know, in that sense, you're talking about, like, what was it, the 1400s or something like that?

02:17:16.000 Somewhere around there.

02:17:17.000 That's not that long ago at all!

02:17:19.000 That's nothing!

02:17:20.000 And people couldn't read the Bible.

02:17:23.000 I mean, think about that.

02:17:24.000 They were relying upon these...

02:17:26.000 I mean, they weren't even pedophiles back then. 0.99

02:17:28.000 They were allowed to fuck, which is really interesting. 1.00

02:17:30.000 Like, that pedophile thing, that only happened once they wouldn't let the priests fuck. 1.00

02:17:36.000 And they wouldn't let the priests fuck because the priests were fucking too many people because the priests were the rock stars. 1.00

02:17:40.000 The priests were the celebrities. 1.00

02:17:42.000 Totally.

02:17:42.000 They had ultimate power.

02:17:44.000 Power will always get your pussy. 1.00

02:17:46.000 They were getting mad pussies, so someone came along and said, all right, you fuckers, no sex. 1.00

02:17:51.000 They just made that up along the way. 1.00

02:17:54.000 I mean, it wasn't even like it came from God.

02:17:57.000 It's like it came along.

02:17:58.000 They already established one way of behaving, like even the Pope.

02:18:01.000 Popes used to have wives, they had armies. 1.00

02:18:04.000 Like, Popes weren't like this weird feebled guy who sits on a golden throne and has little gay people do Cirque du Soleil dances in front of them like that last asshole. 1.00

02:18:15.000 But not the most recent pope. 0.99

02:18:17.000 It's like kind of a humble pope.

02:18:18.000 This is humble pope.

02:18:19.000 Yeah, the cool pope.

02:18:21.000 Yeah, but it's evolved and changed all throughout the year. 0.99

02:18:25.000 But just, you know, 600 years ago or whatever it was, or 500 years ago, you couldn't even fucking read that shit. 0.99

02:18:32.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:18:33.000 Yeah, again, it's the control of power, the control of information rather than the shamanic way, which is always show you, not tell you.

02:18:43.000 That's another great way if you're trying to find out who you should go with.

02:18:48.000 If someone's busy blabbing their mouth and trying to tell you all of the things that you'll see from an ayahuasca journey or something like that, Tell you all the lessons and give them to you that way. 0.99

02:18:57.000 Fucking go the other way. 0.98

02:18:58.000 You know, like the true path is, you know, here you go. 1.00

02:19:02.000 I'm going to create the environment and you're going to go find truth for yourself.

02:19:05.000 You're going to find whatever the truth that is.

02:19:07.000 And they have faith that you'll arrive at the truth that's going to be most beneficial for you.

02:19:11.000 And most often than not, it comes back congruous with those ideas.

02:19:15.000 And that's the true path.

02:19:16.000 That's the path that any religion should take.

02:19:18.000 And I think one of the reasons why Buddhism is so popular, because it's similar in that way.

02:19:23.000 It teaches a practice or Zen or It teaches a practice that allows every single person to access that higher state of consciousness.

02:19:30.000 Everybody can reach nirvana.

02:19:32.000 It's not just the chosen, pre-selected, this thing.

02:19:35.000 Here's how you do it and go for it.

02:19:37.000 And I think any good spirituality system is going to have that in common.

02:19:41.000 Isn't it interesting, though, that that's sort of the exception to the rule to find a system or find an individual like a Martin Luther or like someone who steps up and says, no, the whole world should benefit.

02:19:52.000 All the people should learn this.

02:19:54.000 It shouldn't be about centralized power.

02:19:56.000 It shouldn't be about controlling the people.

02:19:58.000 That's a rare thing, and that's fought against vehemently.

02:20:02.000 They passionately resist this.

02:20:06.000 And in many ways, it's like what we were talking about before.

02:20:12.000 Almost negativity and evil to bring out the best in people in a response and it almost it sort of takes this horrible control this dictatorship of religion and ideology to Resist in such a powerful way that you change Everything around you because of these people were just like sort of well,

02:20:34.000 you know There's the word of God and go with it.

02:20:36.000 Don't go with it. 0.99

02:20:36.000 I don't give a fuck everything's cool, you know and Oh, you don't have to give me any of your money. 0.99

02:20:40.000 I'm not trying to fuck anybody. 0.99

02:20:41.000 I'm just hanging out over here. 0.98

02:20:43.000 There'd probably be no resistance to that religion and there would be no sort of rebound effect where people are trying to find their own truth to this and understanding that the negative...

02:20:55.000 Attachments that they have to all these religious cults or sex or whatever you want to call them the negative Attachments that we have them are completely unnecessary like they don't have to be there that through what everyone's trying to find Through religion.

02:21:12.000 You're trying to find the Word of God.

02:21:14.000 You're trying to find ultimate love and wisdom and power and this one individual who's created literally the entire universe or this force has created literally. 1.00

02:21:23.000 So why is it this guy's trying to fuck my wife? 0.99

02:21:26.000 And why is it I have to give everybody my gold? 1.00

02:21:27.000 And how come I can't read the Bible myself? 1.00

02:21:29.000 How do I have to trust this guy who's trying to fuck my wife and steal my goats? 1.00

02:21:33.000 I have to trust that asshole? 1.00

02:21:35.000 Fuck that, man! 1.00

02:21:36.000 And so then this Martin Luther guy comes along who actually can read it and understand it and translates it. 1.00

02:21:41.000 And there is a massive blowback.

02:21:44.000 And obviously just based entirely on Dan Carlin's podcast, but apparently his influential position in the community was the only thing that kept him alive.

02:21:54.000 Anybody else doing the exact same thing he was doing would have been killed by the church.

02:21:59.000 The church would have killed people for distributing the word of God in a way that other people could understand.

02:22:05.000 And it had been done before.

02:22:07.000 People had questioned the church before. 1.00

02:22:09.000 They just fucking strung them up and cut their dick off and shoved it in their mouth and lit them on fire and launched them in a catapult. 1.00

02:22:15.000 They didn't give a fuck back then. 1.00

02:22:17.000 It's barbaric. 0.99

02:22:19.000 How does a system like that take hold and take effect?

02:22:26.000 You've talked about the toxoplasma that alters behavior.

02:22:30.000 This disease that will alter human behavior or alter mice behavior.

02:22:35.000 And we have that disease too, and it's called fear.

02:22:38.000 And it is the primary disease that once fear takes a hold of us, once we fear that if we do something wrong, we'll be punished in the most obscene ways.

02:22:48.000 You know, look at like a Bosch painting from Italy during the time of all of these inventions of how you were going to be tortured if you went against the will of God.

02:22:56.000 And you'll be punished not only for a little while, but eternally.

02:23:01.000 Eternal torture and suffering like that's some kind of just punishment for you know having lustful thoughts or whatever but that's what they believe so they inject people with this fear virus and then the fear virus robs them of their own free will robs them of their ability to think so it's like this form of virus that takes hold of somebody and then you allow these atrocities to take hold because fear is within you and in other cases maybe it's the greed virus or some other thing that takes hold but it's It's really like this thing that really limits your ability

02:23:31.000 to use rational thought and to harness your own power of choice.

02:23:36.000 But fear is that original virus that the religions played so, so well. 0.99

02:23:40.000 Fear and guilt.

02:23:42.000 It's weird because it's such a distortion of a really important aspect of being alive.

02:23:48.000 You have to have fear of consequences.

02:23:49.000 You have to have fear of animals.

02:23:52.000 You have to have fear of the ocean.

02:23:54.000 You have to have a healthy respect for the consequences of stepping off of a cliff or the consequences of walking into a bear den with a mom and her cubs.

02:24:04.000 All those things are real.

02:24:06.000 So you have to have fear.

02:24:08.000 But there's some fear that people have that exists for no reason.

02:24:12.000 Well, the idea that he's a good God-fearing man.

02:24:15.000 God-fearing? 1.00

02:24:17.000 God is fucking love. 0.99

02:24:18.000 It's like the most perfect, you know, form of love and truth. 0.99

02:24:23.000 Not when the sky's on fire because people are butt-fucking. 0.96

02:24:28.000 Yeah, you see where this other perspective comes from. 0.99

02:24:31.000 But to fear love, it totally fucks the mind.

02:24:36.000 It sets the mind upside down.

02:24:38.000 And once the mind's upside down, it looks at everything all funny.

02:24:41.000 Nothing makes sense.

02:24:42.000 You've removed a cornerstone of logic.

02:24:44.000 Now you need to fear God. 1.00

02:24:46.000 Oh, fuck. 1.00

02:24:47.000 Fear God. 1.00

02:24:48.000 Well, then everything else is just twisted up and fucked up and you can't even use your rational mind. 0.99

02:24:53.000 You can't find the way out because the whole paradigm has been turned on its head and twisted. 0.87

02:24:58.000 Well, isn't it interesting in that respect then that it seems that the more knowledge we gather, the more information we acquire, the less we have to be fearful of.

02:25:08.000 The more we can say, oh, that's not an angry god, that's a meteor.

02:25:12.000 And then one day, oh, we'll figure out how to deflect those meteors.

02:25:17.000 We don't have to worry about the Ice Age ending or rather a dinosaur killing chunk of iron and stone from the sky slamming into the ocean and killing all of us. 0.99

02:25:26.000 Because we see those fuckers coming now and we just shoot a net at it and push it off into Jupiter or some shit. 0.99

02:25:32.000 I mean, this is all information that will slowly but surely eliminate the need for fear. 1.00

02:25:38.000 And I guess that's probably going to extend to the consequences of injury and death as well.

02:25:47.000 I mean, at one point in time, things keep going the way they're going.

02:25:51.000 I guarantee if they get to you within a certain amount of time, they're probably going to be able to reanimate you.

02:25:57.000 Yeah.

02:25:58.000 I mean, it will certainly remove consequences eventually, but there's so much we can do right now.

02:26:03.000 We surrender our power to useless fears all the time. 1.00

02:26:06.000 How many times have you seen somebody shriek because a fucking cockroach was around in the room? 1.00

02:26:11.000 It's a cockroach. 1.00

02:26:12.000 They're cleaning up the garbage that's on the floor.

02:26:15.000 They've never harmed anyone ever.

02:26:18.000 And that little thing is going to cause you to scream and your heart to race.

02:26:22.000 You can actually choose, actively choose, Through, you know, exposure to that and working through that to get over that fear.

02:26:29.000 Like, we have these choices and I think you have to collapse your fear into actual danger so that fear and danger are on the same level.

02:26:37.000 And you can go too far where you can remove too much fear so you're not actually afraid of danger.

02:26:41.000 Yeah.

02:26:42.000 And, you know, people do it like Grizzly Man clearly did that, you know, when he was camping with the Grizzlies. 0.99

02:26:47.000 He should have had more fear for those fuckers, but he didn't. 0.99

02:26:49.000 By the way, I'm getting Werner Herzog. 1.00

02:26:51.000 Oh, nice.

02:26:52.000 Yeah.

02:26:52.000 That's awesome.

02:26:53.000 That would be really cool.

02:26:54.000 He's gonna come on.

02:26:55.000 Beautiful.

02:26:55.000 I'm excited.

02:26:56.000 I don't give a fuck what he wants to talk about. 0.99

02:26:58.000 We're talking about Grizzly Man. 0.99

02:27:03.000 Cave of Forgotten Dreams what?

02:27:04.000 That too.

02:27:05.000 I'll talk about that as well.

02:27:06.000 That was amazing.

02:27:07.000 I want to talk to him about that Tom Cruise movie when he played a bad guy as well.

02:27:12.000 Wasted his time in Jack Reacher.

02:27:14.000 But Grizzly Man, I also think we're dealing with.

02:27:17.000 If you've never seen that documentary, it's one of my favorite unintentional comedies.

02:27:20.000 You have to see it.

02:27:22.000 It's about a guy who decided he was going to save the Bears. 0.99

02:27:24.000 The Bears did not need fucking saving. 0.99

02:27:27.000 They didn't want saving. 0.99

02:27:28.000 They didn't need saving.

02:27:29.000 They weren't interested in his saving.

02:27:31.000 And eventually they ate him.

02:27:33.000 Eventually they determined he was meat.

02:27:35.000 Yeah, they figured out.

02:27:36.000 Probably the correct assessment from the Bears part.

02:27:38.000 Bears are so amazing, man. 1.00

02:27:40.000 Bringing it back to our camp as we bring this bitch home. 1.00

02:27:44.000 When we were up there, it was like... 0.91

02:27:48.000 I felt like since you've been practicing archery for a couple years now and you've been really getting into it, that would have been the perfect first archery hunt because it's a controlled environment.

02:28:00.000 It's a really high likelihood of success even though we both struck out.

02:28:06.000 It's a high likelihood of success and there's a crazy intimate connection that you have with an animal Yeah.

02:28:32.000 We've seen this before.

02:28:33.000 We did this 500 years ago.

02:28:36.000 There's genetics, I think, that are attached to archery in some sort of strange way.

02:28:42.000 Apparently, I'm not a traditional archer.

02:28:45.000 I haven't done that.

02:28:47.000 But they say it's even stronger in that shooting, even just shooting regular bows, like a recurve bow, has an even more visceral connection to the human body.

02:29:01.000 And the human mind, you know, what Ted Nugent calls the mystical flight of the arrow, that there's some sort of a weird ancient calling when you do that.

02:29:14.000 I wonder if a catapult will do that. 1.00

02:29:16.000 Launch a catapult and a motherfucker. 1.00

02:29:18.000 You're like, damn, this feels good. 1.00

02:29:20.000 Yeah, I think people progress that all the way to the, you know. 0.98

02:29:23.000 Yeah, but I think the catapult wasn't used for hunting.

02:29:25.000 Used for war. 0.55

02:29:26.000 Yeah, I should hunt with a catapult.

02:29:28.000 Jesus Christ.

02:29:29.000 Be a herd of elk.

02:29:34.000 Boom! 0.99

02:29:35.000 And you go, look for scraps.

02:29:38.000 You shoot a recurve all the time?

02:29:39.000 I shoot a recurve all the time.

02:29:40.000 I really enjoy it.

02:29:41.000 It's way less accurate, so I wouldn't go hunting with it.

02:29:45.000 Some people are really accurate with them, though.

02:29:48.000 Yeah, I guess for me it's way less accurate.

02:29:50.000 I'm sure some people are really good.

02:29:52.000 They practice and they get really good at it.

02:29:54.000 There's so many weird things, like judging distance.

02:29:58.000 Super weird.

02:29:58.000 Well, there's no sight.

02:30:00.000 Well, at least I'm trying to shoot instinctive, so there's no sight.

02:30:02.000 So you're just feeling it.

02:30:03.000 But you read a book like Zen and the Art of Archery, Eugene Harrell's book.

02:30:06.000 Great book.

02:30:07.000 And it applies to the regular, you know, compound bow.

02:30:11.000 But you really feel it when you have the recurve in your hand.

02:30:14.000 Just a piece of wood and sinew twisted.

02:30:17.000 And you're knocking the arrow and you're just going off instinct.

02:30:20.000 Because there's so much more variability.

02:30:22.000 It's less, you know, Mechanic it feels like you're just right.

02:30:27.000 It's more of like a flow type of thing and it's fun It's fun to do that.

02:30:31.000 Well, I always imagine that it's like a lot like playing pool in that You develop a feel for where it's gonna go and you have to do it. 0.97

02:30:41.000 So what they say that it's one of the most important things about Traditional archery instinctive shooting is you have to shoot hours every day to be really Really accurate, but like if you watch like Olympic recurve shooters, they have a lot of weird shit going on, man.

02:30:56.000 They have like a clicker, so they'll pull the arrow back a certain distance and a click will go off because you could have the bow all the way to heat.

02:31:06.000 I'm making a motion.

02:31:07.000 Like you could pull it back to your chin or you could pull it past your chin.

02:31:12.000 Like it's not like a compound bow where it hits a wall.

02:31:14.000 A compound bow is extremely accurate.

02:31:17.000 And guys like John Dudley, who was a guy who set up my bow, and he wrote the curriculum for the World Archery Federation, or whatever the fuck it is, and travels all over the world to teach people proper technique and teach people and coach international teams in archery.

02:31:35.000 He was saying...

02:31:37.000 That if you get like a rifle shooter and they shoot like freehand and not resting in something to 100 yards, that archers are actually regularly more accurate at 100 yards with a bow and arrow than someone holding a rifle is.

02:31:52.000 Whoa.

02:31:53.000 Yeah.

02:31:54.000 That's really wild.

02:31:55.000 It's crazy.

02:31:57.000 Yeah, I mean, with the traditional shooting though, you know, compound bow shooting, if you got a 70 pound bow, it's going to shoot 70 always.

02:32:05.000 Yes.

02:32:06.000 So that's a variable you don't have to factor. 0.89

02:32:08.000 Any kind of recurve bow can shoot 20 pounds if you just pull it back a little bit to fucking 65, whatever, depending on how much you can actually bend the limbs of that thing and go.

02:32:19.000 So the up and down variability, I mean, side to side you should get pretty accurate.

02:32:23.000 You know, just by anchoring and kind of lining that up.

02:32:25.000 But the up and down really depends on how far you pull and your breath.

02:32:29.000 And your release gets super squirrely, too, because it's in your fingers.

02:32:33.000 You don't have a little release thing.

02:32:35.000 So you hold on a little tight or you don't let the string flow through your fingers the right way.

02:32:40.000 It just goes...

02:32:42.000 Yeah.

02:32:42.000 Shoots off all squarely.

02:32:44.000 Yeah.

02:32:45.000 So that's why the Olympic recurve people, they have like a clicker.

02:32:48.000 So they pull their arrow back.

02:32:50.000 And once it gets to a certain length, it sets off a little click.

02:32:54.000 So it's like click.

02:32:55.000 And then they release the arrow.

02:32:56.000 So they know when to release it.

02:32:58.000 They know when they've pulled it back far enough to get that click.

02:33:02.000 Yeah, it does make sense.

02:33:03.000 But, you know, I got to think you lose a little some of that.

02:33:09.000 Yeah.

02:33:10.000 Magic.

02:33:10.000 You're starting to move it all the way towards the compound bone.

02:33:13.000 At a certain point, might as well just shoot the compound bone if you take all of the feel of that thing out. 0.78

02:33:19.000 Yeah, and if you look at a compound bow, if you look at someone who's shooting a compound bow, like people, I put a picture of me up from our camp that Ben took when we were there, and one of the things that people have commented on, like, look at that fucking weird thing, like all these pulleys and cables and all these things hanging off of it, 0.92

02:33:38.000 and the sight and the stabilizer, there's like so much going on.

02:33:41.000 And in your case, it's to the max. 0.99

02:33:43.000 As much shit going on on any bow has ever been on a bow. 0.99

02:33:47.000 Yeah, I try everything. 0.99

02:33:50.000 I mean, I've whittled it down.

02:33:51.000 I've added things and taken things down, but oh, there it is.

02:33:54.000 There's the photo. 0.99

02:33:55.000 Yeah, there's a lot going on on that fucking thing. 0.98

02:33:59.000 But all those cables and the pulleys and the stabilizer and the adjustable sight that goes up and down depending on distance, but it's so fucking accurate. 0.99

02:34:10.000 Yeah.

02:34:11.000 It's so fun too, man.

02:34:13.000 There's very few things I enjoy as far as clearing my mind as much as just shooting at a target.

02:34:20.000 Well, it demands presentness.

02:34:22.000 It demands that you're in the moment. 1.00

02:34:24.000 You're thinking about other shit. 0.99

02:34:25.000 You're in this. 0.99

02:34:26.000 Because everything is so finite.

02:34:28.000 Same with pool.

02:34:29.000 I think you've gravitated naturally to these activities that to be good demands full attention.

02:34:34.000 And attention is bliss.

02:34:36.000 It's happiness and attention.

02:34:37.000 Because that's the present moment.

02:34:39.000 Well, it definitely removes all of the outside distractions that really aren't...

02:34:44.000 They're not important right now.

02:34:47.000 Like, right now, you're breathing, you have food in your belly, you're alive, you're healthy.

02:34:53.000 What is important?

02:34:55.000 Well, you have a bow in your hand.

02:34:56.000 What's important is you make that arrow hit that X. So shoot it, stupid. 1.00

02:35:00.000 Stop thinking about some girl you fucked when you were 18. Right. 1.00

02:35:05.000 Why are you thinking about a car that you sold when you were 22?

02:35:08.000 Man, if I had that car today, I could fix it up. 0.84

02:35:11.000 What are all these extraneous, silly thoughts?

02:35:13.000 All these traumas that these animals don't carry. 0.95

02:35:16.000 You ever heard of a bear with erectile dysfunction?

02:35:18.000 Maybe.

02:35:19.000 Like, never.

02:35:19.000 Maybe.

02:35:20.000 Maybe there's gay bears. 0.95

02:35:21.000 Maybe. 0.78

02:35:22.000 Who knows?

02:35:23.000 I don't know.

02:35:53.000 For some people, they find it lonely. 0.87

02:35:57.000 They find it like, God, this place doesn't give a fuck about me. 0.98

02:36:01.000 Because it doesn't. 0.55

02:36:02.000 Because you realize that you really are a part of this enormous, almost infinite system.

02:36:08.000 Infinite in the terms of if you go down to the macro level or the micro level, you're down to atoms.

02:36:15.000 And you're down to subatomic particles and then you expand from there to cells and cell walls and the structure of tissue in the body and then the instincts that come with keeping the body alive and then with a human being language and then the culture and Media that you have absorbed that has given you this distorted idea of what life is what being a human is what being a man is and That music should play when you see your girlfriend.

02:36:44.000 You know what I mean?

02:36:45.000 There should be a score to your life and that you are enormously important because your ego wants you to survive long enough to shoot your loads into someone and make little baby arteries.

02:36:57.000 And all these things, they don't matter when you're in those woods.

02:37:01.000 All those things, it's like the woods confront you with this ultimate reality that you are a part of this infinite system.

02:37:10.000 And this infinite system, when you really expand upon it, the very planets itself, the very planet, this planet, and all planets themselves, become tiny little subatomic particles in the nature of the universe.

02:37:23.000 Yeah, the perspective is so key, and it can be kind of mind-boggling to think about it.

02:37:30.000 It's almost like we're lords of our own universe, and our universe is our body.

02:37:35.000 Our thoughts can manifest different things.

02:37:37.000 Our choices create the environment that we live in.

02:37:40.000 You know, it's like we have our own universe, and then we're plugged into this, you know, greater universe that we know all around us, the planet and everything else, and that's plugged into the larger.

02:37:50.000 And you start just expanding your perspective, and it just kind of really goes on infinitely.

02:37:56.000 You know, like the cell is part of an organ.

02:38:00.000 That's its universe, a liver cell.

02:38:02.000 The universe of the liver cell is the liver, and they're one cell in that thing.

02:38:05.000 It goes up and down infinitely, and you just get a perspective that everything's gonna be okay no matter what.

02:38:12.000 Everybody just fucking relax, enjoy yourself, get back in touch with the monkey, get back in touch with love, and whatever happens, it's gonna be alright.

02:38:21.000 There'll be another Earth, there'll be another time, there'll be another opportunity for this thing to go. 0.98

02:38:26.000 We get so caught up in the minutia of the details of this thing or that thing, It'll be okay. 0.52

02:38:31.000 If the earth blinks out, you know, some other point in some other time in the vastness of eternity, another fucking awesome earth will come with new awesome animals and it'll be okay. 0.69

02:38:42.000 Everything will be okay. 0.95

02:38:43.000 You heard Aubrey, ladies and gentlemen.

02:38:45.000 Everything is gonna be okay.

02:38:48.000 And with that, good night, ladies and gentlemen.

02:38:51.000 Good night, everybody.

02:38:52.000 Aubrey Marcus on social media if you want to follow me.

02:38:54.000 I love you guys. 0.99

02:38:55.000 Onnit.com, bitches. 1.00

02:38:57.000 Go there, get optimized. 0.99

02:38:58.000 Yeah!

02:38:58.000 Holla!

02:38:59.000 Holla! 1.00

The Joe Rogan Experience - June 14, 2016

Joe Rogan Experience #809 - Aubrey Marcus

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