The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #824 - Bryan Callen

00:00:11.000 Look at my dick. 1.00

00:00:17.000 Hey, what happened? 1.00

00:00:19.000 This is a heterosexual Top 40 song, and then all of a sudden, look at my dick. 1.00

00:00:24.000 Who said that? 1.00

00:00:25.000 What happened?

00:00:26.000 I apologize.

00:00:27.000 That just popped out! 1.00

00:00:28.000 No pun intended, you fucks! 1.00

00:00:30.000 Ah! 1.00

00:00:31.000 You filthy animals. 1.00

00:00:32.000 He's back from Italy, ladies and gentlemen. 1.00

00:00:34.000 I'm back from the south of France.

00:00:35.000 Wow, man.

00:00:36.000 We both went to Europe.

00:00:38.000 Very cultured.

00:00:39.000 Very cultured.

00:00:40.000 Did you drink wine over there?

00:00:41.000 Of course I did.

00:00:42.000 Did you contact the sommelier and just let him know how much you know?

00:00:46.000 No, I didn't need to because I was with a very rich friend.

00:00:48.000 I just threw a dart at his cellar and I took out insanely good wines.

00:00:53.000 Always one of those guys.

00:00:54.000 Oh, forget it. 0.99

00:00:55.000 I was saying shit like this. 0.99

00:00:57.000 I was like, oh, I smell nutmeg and pencil. 0.99

00:01:02.000 Because that's what I've heard people say.

00:01:03.000 Did they get mad at you?

00:01:04.000 Of course they get mad at me.

00:01:06.000 And then I took a...

00:01:07.000 And I sipped some white wine.

00:01:09.000 I went, whoa!

00:01:10.000 I feel like I just got hit in the head by a farmer. 1.00

00:01:13.000 I love saying dumb shit like that. 1.00

00:01:15.000 Dude, try this. 1.00

00:01:16.000 Have you ever been to a wine tasting?

00:01:17.000 Of course!

00:01:18.000 Like one of those parties where they all get around and they all talk about it?

00:01:23.000 Uh-huh.

00:01:23.000 You know what I heard a sommelier say?

00:01:25.000 He goes, trust me on this wine.

00:01:27.000 I said, why?

00:01:28.000 Because I was going to order our white wine.

00:01:29.000 He goes, it's unique.

00:01:30.000 I said, well, describe it.

00:01:32.000 He goes, it's like biting into a wet dog.

00:01:35.000 I was like, hey, that's exactly what I feel like doing.

00:01:39.000 Every time I see a wet dog.

00:01:40.000 He was telling you that it's good?

00:01:42.000 Yeah.

00:01:43.000 Yeah, it's like biting into a wet dog. 1.00

00:01:46.000 People just say dumb shit. 1.00

00:01:47.000 I mean, I like good wine. 1.00

00:01:49.000 It tastes good.

00:01:50.000 I like that. 0.99

00:01:50.000 But there's a part of me that rejects the fucking nonsense so hard that I won't learn anything. 0.99

00:01:57.000 As well it should. 1.00

00:01:58.000 You should always reject that horse shit. 1.00

00:02:00.000 But it's so fucking pretentious. 1.00

00:02:03.000 Of course it's pretentious. 0.99

00:02:04.000 It's like most pretentious.

00:02:05.000 I mean, you hear the way they describe it.

00:02:07.000 It really holds your palate prisoner.

00:02:09.000 It holds your palate prisoner, but here's the good news.

00:02:12.000 In a velvet casing.

00:02:14.000 Speaking of velvet casings...

00:02:16.000 I was at a restaurant once, a very fine restaurant, a very fine Italian restaurant, and a gentleman walked in with a briefcase with two bottles of wine and velvet in the briefcase. 1.00

00:02:25.000 I had to resist the chimpanzee urge to leap over the table and smash him in his fucking head with that case. 1.00

00:02:33.000 But here's the thing. 1.00

00:02:33.000 Here's the thing about that. 1.00

00:02:35.000 Here's the reason I support him.

00:02:37.000 Because I'm such a freak for wine.

00:02:39.000 You cannot send a $1,000 bottle of wine.

00:02:42.000 You can't ship it because a lot of times they put it in the hull of a ship and it comes through, say, the Suez Canal.

00:02:49.000 It gets hot.

00:02:50.000 Yeah, it might be 150 degrees in that hull.

00:02:53.000 Not good.

00:02:53.000 And it's below or above the waterline, you're in trouble.

00:02:56.000 So they fly that wine. 1.00

00:02:57.000 You can be fucked. 1.00

00:02:58.000 Yeah, you fly it in a velvet suitcase. 1.00

00:03:00.000 But this guy, he just was bringing it to a restaurant. 1.00

00:03:02.000 He's kind of a dick. 0.99

00:03:03.000 It's kind of a weird move when you bring your own food to a restaurant. 1.00

00:03:06.000 I agree.

00:03:07.000 I mean, I guess it's a drink, but it's not like you bring your own tomatoes.

00:03:11.000 Excuse me, could you tell the chef to chomp these tomatoes?

00:03:14.000 Yeah.

00:03:15.000 Parallel with the floor.

00:03:16.000 I've never brought my own wine.

00:03:18.000 It's obnoxious.

00:03:19.000 To the establishment.

00:03:20.000 Yeah, it's weird.

00:03:21.000 Yeah.

00:03:22.000 It is weird.

00:03:22.000 And then they have a corkage fee.

00:03:24.000 They charge you to open your wine.

00:03:26.000 Yeah.

00:03:27.000 $35.

00:03:28.000 That's very reasonable.

00:03:29.000 Well, especially if you're bringing a $1,000 bottle of wine.

00:03:32.000 Yeah.

00:03:32.000 But I don't understand why one wine...

00:03:35.000 I do understand.

00:03:36.000 But I don't understand why someone is willing to pay.

00:03:38.000 But I do understand it. 1.00

00:03:39.000 I do, because you want to be a part of that fuckhead club. 1.00

00:03:42.000 Well, and if you're a freak like me, and you like wine on that level, when you really pay attention, for me, I actually... 0.99

00:03:50.000 It's...

00:03:51.000 I don't even know how to describe it.

00:03:52.000 It's literally an experience, right?

00:03:55.000 So my buddy I went to see who's made more money than God, and this is why he's worth it.

00:03:59.000 I don't know if I told you this.

00:04:00.000 God has all the money.

00:04:01.000 You know what I mean.

00:04:02.000 No.

00:04:02.000 He has as much money as Bruce Springsteen, almost.

00:04:04.000 Really?

00:04:05.000 Probably.

00:04:06.000 And he's super rich.

00:04:08.000 And I told you that he said, we're going to open this wine that Robert Parker gave 100 out of 100 and called it one of the wines of the century.

00:04:16.000 Who's Robert Parker?

00:04:17.000 Robert Parker is the critic who sets the standard.

00:04:19.000 I hate that you know that.

00:04:21.000 Yeah, I know.

00:04:21.000 I'm terrible.

00:04:22.000 It really bothers me.

00:04:22.000 I know.

00:04:23.000 But when you see an RP, Robert Parker, and it has a 93, 94, 95, you're paying a lot of money.

00:04:29.000 I want to hang out with Robert Parker.

00:04:30.000 Well, he's a guy, and I think he's from Maryland, and he's an American dude, and he's got his taste.

00:04:36.000 It doesn't mean he's right.

00:04:37.000 It just means he knows wine and he set the standard.

00:04:40.000 Now there are more people, but for the most part, when Robert Parker gives your wine a 95 or above...

00:04:44.000 There he is.

00:04:44.000 Look at him.

00:04:45.000 Oh, my God. 1.00

00:04:45.000 I want to hit him with a brick. 1.00

00:04:47.000 Look at him. 1.00

00:04:48.000 Hey, yeah.

00:04:49.000 Oh, my God.

00:04:50.000 Do you think he says snarky things when you go to dinner with him?

00:04:53.000 Well, he'll say, for example, the wine I was drinking, he called it a Centurion wine.

00:04:57.000 One of the wines of the...

00:05:00.000 Sentry.

00:05:00.000 Oh, God.

00:05:02.000 So, please don't try to buy it, because, you know, you can't find it.

00:05:05.000 Is he the Tony Hawk of wine connoisseurs?

00:05:07.000 Yes, he is.

00:05:08.000 Because nobody knows anyone that skates other than Tony Hawk.

00:05:11.000 That's exactly who he is.

00:05:13.000 That's exactly who he is.

00:05:14.000 Like the Lance Armstrong of wine.

00:05:16.000 Yes.

00:05:16.000 And there are people who are trying to make their way, and real critics, but for the most part, he's still the man.

00:05:22.000 How much does that piss people off who ride bikes?

00:05:25.000 Who, like, are really good.

00:05:27.000 Yeah. 0.66

00:05:27.000 And no one gives a fuck about them because they're not Lance Armstrong. 0.66

00:05:30.000 There's one guy who won. 0.97

00:05:31.000 There was Greg LeMond for a while, I remember.

00:05:33.000 He was also an American.

00:05:34.000 We remember him.

00:05:35.000 But nobody else.

00:05:37.000 I think part of it's also because he was an American and so dominant.

00:05:41.000 And it's not...

00:05:42.000 You know, Americans don't watch bike racing.

00:05:45.000 I could never stand on the sideline and be like...

00:05:48.000 A hundred more miles!

00:05:49.000 Keep pedaling.

00:05:50.000 A hundred more miles, keep pedaling, you know.

00:05:52.000 Here's a water.

00:05:53.000 Want an orange?

00:05:54.000 I'm not that guy. 1.00

00:05:55.000 Life is too short to watch a fucking bike race. 0.99

00:05:58.000 It's definitely too short to be watching on the sidelines, like waiting. 1.00

00:06:02.000 That's how I feel about marathons.

00:06:03.000 But Europeans are so different than we are in that sense.

00:06:06.000 Europeans obsess over Formula One.

00:06:08.000 They obsess over...

00:06:09.000 That's different, though. 0.99

00:06:10.000 Formula One is fucking wild. 0.99

00:06:12.000 Yeah, it's wild. 0.98

00:06:13.000 You ever seen those videos they do from inside the cockpit of a Formula One car?

00:06:17.000 Yeah.

00:06:17.000 Whoa!

00:06:18.000 It's crazy.

00:06:18.000 But there's some lightning fast decision making going on there.

00:06:22.000 But when Senna died, if you look at the streets of Brazil for his funeral, it was something that you would never see in the United States.

00:06:29.000 If a great race car driver, like say a great NASCAR driver, you wouldn't see, I think it was some crazy number of people that showed up in the streets of Brazil.

00:06:37.000 Well, the Brazilians are insanely nationalistic. 0.83

00:06:40.000 They love their country.

00:06:42.000 They're very, very patriotic.

00:06:43.000 So when someone comes along like Senna, who dominates something that's traditionally a European-dominated sport like Formula One, and he was a wild man.

00:06:52.000 You ever see that documentary on him?

00:06:53.000 I didn't.

00:06:54.000 Look at that funeral.

00:06:55.000 Wow.

00:06:56.000 Look at that.

00:06:56.000 And he was the guy who could have been a playboy, but he never really messed with girls.

00:07:01.000 He was a samurai.

00:07:03.000 He was dedicated.

00:07:04.000 Yeah.

00:07:05.000 Well, his ability to shave milliseconds, you know, and just to take crazy chances and cut people off, and ugh.

00:07:14.000 Yeah.

00:07:14.000 Jesus Christ.

00:07:15.000 That precision.

00:07:16.000 But that is something that I don't know anything about it, but I'm sure when you follow it and that sort of those millimeters, those differences are what make everything, you know, when you have a cultivated sense, when you know what you're looking at and what looking for, it's...

00:07:31.000 It must be very enjoyable.

00:07:32.000 Well, they have a deep connection with how much traction there is exactly on those tires.

00:07:38.000 Feel.

00:07:39.000 Like, they feel it kicking out. 0.99

00:07:41.000 Like, they literally say with race car drivers that you have to have an educated ass. 1.00

00:07:46.000 Damn, really? 1.00

00:07:46.000 Yeah, your ass has to be able to feel when your car is breaking loose. 1.00

00:07:50.000 Like, if you were a race car driver and you had a numb ass, you'd probably be fucked. 1.00

00:07:54.000 Wow. 1.00

00:07:55.000 Like, if you had, like, sciatica or something, your ass went numb, which I would imagine it would be a real problem with someone who sits down all the time. 0.99

00:08:02.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:08:02.000 Like, truck drivers, right? 0.99

00:08:03.000 They get sciatica all the time.

00:08:05.000 But race car drivers, it's so physical.

00:08:07.000 You know, it's such a physical...

00:08:08.000 They lose so much water.

00:08:09.000 They lose, like, something like seven pounds of water or something in a race.

00:08:12.000 Oh, I'd imagine.

00:08:13.000 Something crazy. 0.94

00:08:13.000 They sweat like a pig. 0.94

00:08:14.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:08:14.000 It's hot as fuck. 1.00

00:08:15.000 They don't have air conditioning in that thing. 0.99

00:08:17.000 Yeah, they're just physically...

00:08:18.000 There's a giant engine.

00:08:20.000 They're flying down the road.

00:08:22.000 It's crazy.

00:08:22.000 Oh, it's mad.

00:08:23.000 That's so interesting that you have to have an educated ass. 1.00

00:08:25.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:08:25.000 Because I think horseback riding, if you watch high, high level jumpers, they, you know, or dressage guys, they, they, it's the same exact thing. 0.98

00:08:34.000 It's all feel and it literally looks like they're doing nothing.

00:08:36.000 So the difference between the best in the world and the number 300, you and I could never tell the difference because they don't look like they're doing anything.

00:08:44.000 Right.

00:08:44.000 Literally, they just, they look like, for me, they look like they're sitting upright, very still, is why I could never ride a horse, and just, there's nothing going on.

00:08:51.000 But the details, those little, like, where they place the micro, how they micromanage that saddle, and the signals they're sending to the horse with their hands, their legs, and their ass, is a whole different thing.

00:09:03.000 That's so often the case though with things where things look effortless because the people that are awesome at them do it so smoothly that you can't appreciate it unless you actually do it.

00:09:15.000 That's what I love about life.

00:09:17.000 That's literally what I love about, you know, and it sounds silly, but you can touch a little of that In anything you do when you practice something you're not good at.

00:09:29.000 So tennis, I always talk about tennis and boxing.

00:09:31.000 Am I good at boxing and tennis?

00:09:33.000 No.

00:09:34.000 Do I obsess over where my feet are?

00:09:36.000 Do I obsess over my grip?

00:09:38.000 I swear to God, maybe the actual activity is secondary to...

00:09:44.000 How I love to work on the little details and get better through daily attendance, through daily practice.

00:09:53.000 Because something happens to me that reaches beyond that sport.

00:09:56.000 So when I do something that I'm maybe a little afraid of or maybe I'm not good at, it forces me to think in a way that informs the other things in my life that I make a living at.

00:10:07.000 I do better at stand-up.

00:10:09.000 I write better when I push myself in these other areas.

00:10:12.000 It's really interesting. 0.97

00:10:13.000 Yeah, it totally makes sense, because I think very difficult endeavors, you know, whatever it is that you're trying to do, anything, fucking dance, if you were trying to be a ballerina. 0.95

00:10:21.000 Which I am. 0.96

00:10:22.000 Are you?

00:10:23.000 Yeah, keep going.

00:10:24.000 I thought you were done with that.

00:10:26.000 Ballet is my foundation, but I'm so passionate, I live, there's too much equator in me, I live in my groin, so I had to move to salsa and merengue.

00:10:34.000 Well, people that really get into jiu-jitsu say that as well.

00:10:37.000 Bourdain's been saying that a lot.

00:10:39.000 Getting into it, to him, it's a lot like writing in some ways.

00:10:43.000 It's almost like a meditation.

00:10:45.000 And completely obsessed.

00:10:47.000 A lot of people that get into jiu-jitsu become completely obsessed with it too.

00:10:50.000 And it's for those same reasons.

00:10:51.000 You get obsessed, first of all, with how deep the rabbit hole goes.

00:10:56.000 I think that's probably the same with tennis.

00:10:57.000 With golf, it's most certainly the same.

00:10:59.000 I've never played golf, but I know the people that play it.

00:11:02.000 It's exactly the same.

00:11:02.000 I talked to Will Durkee.

00:11:04.000 He took second in the 10th Planet Jiu Jitsu tournament over in Austin.

00:11:11.000 He's amazing.

00:11:12.000 He's a professional poker player as well.

00:11:13.000 He was a D1 wrestler, I think out of Virginia.

00:11:17.000 Watching him, he lost to another guy who was really good, but just barely.

00:11:22.000 When you watch those high-level competition black belts, which I've never seen, the subtlety, I don't even see what they're doing.

00:11:28.000 I don't even see them tapping the guy.

00:11:30.000 But he was talking to me about how much he loves games and why poker and jiu-jitsu inform each other.

00:11:37.000 Well, you know Josh Waitzkin?

00:11:38.000 Same thing.

00:11:39.000 Same thing with chess and jiu-jitsu.

00:11:40.000 He's a jiu-jitsu phenom.

00:11:43.000 I think he has a school where he teaches kids how to think.

00:11:46.000 He teaches them how to learn through martial arts, music, and chess, I believe.

00:11:53.000 And it's all kind of the same thing.

00:11:56.000 It's kind of the same thing.

00:11:57.000 It's kind of why I feel like a lot of times I do think there's a place for self-help and, you know, inspiration when you're young.

00:12:05.000 But after a while, you know, just trying to get really good at something under proper tutelage, I think will teach you all of those things.

00:12:13.000 Maybe.

00:12:14.000 But there's a lot of people that just try to get good at it, they never get good at it, that probably would do better if they had better pathways to think.

00:12:22.000 Yes, if they learned how to... 0.98

00:12:23.000 Well, I think first, what someone like Tony Robbins does, because I've listened to a lot of his tapes when I was younger, I was all set to make fun of him, because I was trying to write this parody on him, and then I listened to him and I went, oh, this motherfucker knows exactly how my brain works. 0.88

00:12:38.000 I mean, in a lot of ways, he simplifies, and he has tools that help me...

00:12:45.000 Focus my energy and recognize certain patterns.

00:12:49.000 Recognize certain unhelpful patterns.

00:12:51.000 It's very important is having pathways in your mind.

00:12:55.000 Like abandoning negative thoughts, concentrating on positive ones.

00:12:59.000 Abandoning nonsense, concentrating on...

00:13:01.000 I mean, that's a lot of what traps are that people fall into.

00:13:05.000 Like addictive traps, whether it's gambling or, you know, whatever.

00:13:09.000 Fill in the blank.

00:13:10.000 Pornography.

00:13:10.000 I was watching this whole thing the other day where people were coming out against pornography and pornography addiction.

00:13:17.000 And they were talking about how harmful pornography is.

00:13:19.000 No. 1.00

00:13:19.000 No, your fucking mind is harmful. 1.00

00:13:21.000 Exactly. 1.00

00:13:22.000 Pornography is people having sex, and sex is awesome. 1.00

00:13:24.000 So shut up. 1.00

00:13:25.000 I'm tired of that. 1.00

00:13:26.000 Well, you can simplify it this way.

00:13:28.000 There's a dean who said, I am not interested.

00:13:31.000 It's less important what you think.

00:13:33.000 What I want to know is how you think.

00:13:35.000 And you're talking about methodology.

00:13:38.000 It's how...

00:13:40.000 It's exactly what you're saying.

00:13:41.000 It's how you think about life and how you think about things.

00:13:45.000 So you may be a slave to certain pathways and learning how to reprogram your pathways is a way more important thing.

00:13:56.000 So it's not so much that it's pornography that's the enemy.

00:13:59.000 It's...

00:14:00.000 It's the methodology. 0.98

00:14:01.000 Yeah, pornography is just sex. 0.92

00:14:02.000 And by the way, we're just talking about regular pornography. 1.00

00:14:05.000 There's certain pornography that you go, okay, what the fuck is that for? 0.99

00:14:08.000 Like, why does anybody need to see people spit in people's eyes and cum in people's noses and stuff? 1.00

00:14:13.000 Like, there's a lot of really fucked up pornography. 0.99

00:14:15.000 But I always equate that to, like, the same thing was, like, if you watch certain violent movies, it's almost like they are the product of the ramping up effect. 0.99

00:14:24.000 Every other violent movie that's come before them, they've had to go further and further and further to the point where it's just totally ridiculous.

00:14:31.000 That's exactly right.

00:14:32.000 I mean, it's not entertaining.

00:14:33.000 It's not good.

00:14:34.000 It's just a response to taking it to the next level.

00:14:38.000 The guy who wrote the double helix, quote-unquote, for a serial killer, for the making of a serial killer, a guy named Richard Walter, who's an FBI profiler, brilliant guy, he said that...

00:14:48.000 Serial killers will typically, and this is from literally interviewing 20,000, 30,000 prisoners, many of whom were murderers, violent criminals.

00:14:57.000 And he put together this profile, which was that serial killers many times start with fetishes.

00:15:06.000 They'll start with, you know, feet. 0.74

00:15:09.000 Well, a lot of times it can be as innocuous as rubbing against people in public places.

00:15:14.000 And then you graduate.

00:15:17.000 Then that doesn't do it for you anymore.

00:15:18.000 And then you have to go into a store and cut leather jackets with a razor because you might get caught, but it's like skin, all that stuff.

00:15:26.000 And what he said was that once you get to one level, you never can go back.

00:15:32.000 You have to go forward.

00:15:34.000 You don't see them go, alright, this is too much.

00:15:36.000 Let me go back to rubbing against people on a subway.

00:15:39.000 Would you say never?

00:15:40.000 I mean, don't some people like... 0.98

00:15:41.000 Is there people that are potential serial killers that go, what the fuck am I doing in my life? 0.97

00:15:45.000 I need to just... 0.99

00:15:46.000 I don't know.

00:15:47.000 Take yoga.

00:15:48.000 I don't know.

00:15:49.000 I don't know.

00:15:50.000 But I do know that there have been some studies about how less...

00:15:54.000 There are, I guess, a lot of serial killers or maniacs are doing less of that stuff because they can get more of it through a simulated environment.

00:16:02.000 Yeah.

00:16:03.000 Well, that was the argument that the Japanese had, or some Japanese scholars had, about pornography.

00:16:08.000 Is that Japanese porn is, I might be wrong about this, that it's more embraced, and that when you look at deviant behavior, it's more embraced in films and things like that, and that sort of keeps them from doing it in real life.

00:16:22.000 Yeah, I would imagine that you can get satiated visually.

00:16:25.000 You have those visual triggers.

00:16:27.000 They say that the trigger is for fighting.

00:16:29.000 You know, when you watch MMA, there are a lot of those visual triggers for men that are similar to what pornography does to a man.

00:16:35.000 When we see two dudes kicking each other and knocking each other out.

00:16:39.000 We want to do it.

00:16:39.000 Yeah, or at least we can't take our eyes off it.

00:16:41.000 Yeah, we definitely can't take our eyes off of it.

00:16:44.000 But I think that also it's possible that that could...

00:16:47.000 Like, they say that about video games.

00:16:49.000 Like, the argument against video games has always been that video games encourage violence.

00:16:52.000 But it shows that the actual facts show that it's the opposite is true.

00:16:57.000 That video games actually get people involved in the violence of video games and it satisfies whatever weird cravings people might have for violence.

00:17:05.000 Which are...

00:17:06.000 Left over from thousands and thousands of years of DNA, of people being successful in violence, being rewarded for it.

00:17:14.000 Violence was a way you survived.

00:17:16.000 Think about hunting.

00:17:17.000 Well, the Colosseum, man.

00:17:18.000 I went to the Colosseum this week.

00:17:19.000 Yeah, I've been there.

00:17:20.000 Oh my god. 1.00

00:17:21.000 That is a fucking trip. 0.99

00:17:23.000 First of all, I did not know that the Colosseum literally means next to the Colossus. 0.99

00:17:28.000 I didn't know that.

00:17:28.000 It was all about, there was a gigantic, I think it was a 150 foot high bronze statue of Nero that he had constructed.

00:17:37.000 Well, you know, the entire Coliseum was Nero's house at one point in time.

00:17:41.000 It didn't exist.

00:17:43.000 It was like, there's like...

00:17:45.000 Seven areas of Rome, like seven hills of Rome or something like that. 0.99

00:17:49.000 And his fucking house was three of them. 1.00

00:17:52.000 Damn. 1.00

00:17:53.000 His house had an enormous, I think it was like more than a hundred acre lake in the backyard of his house. 1.00

00:18:00.000 A man-made lake.

00:18:01.000 Wow.

00:18:02.000 And that man-made lake, like to drain it, the drainage system to build that lake, they're just discovering some of the areas of the Colosseum today.

00:18:11.000 Okay.

00:18:12.000 So what they did is, when they tore down his house, they built the Colosseum for the people.

00:18:17.000 And it was like one of the biggest public buildings ever. 0.99

00:18:20.000 And they built it to satisfy the people that were just fucking furious that this cunt had taken over. 1.00

00:18:27.000 Burned Rome. 1.00

00:18:28.000 Wow, he was just insane. 1.00

00:18:29.000 Nero was just fucking completely insane. 0.99

00:18:32.000 But what they had done with his structure was turn it into this Colosseum, but it was right next to this enormous statue of him. 1.00

00:18:41.000 So when you say like the LA Colosseum, that's a stupid name. 0.93

00:18:44.000 Because the LA next to the Colossus, that doesn't even make any sense. 0.97

00:18:48.000 But that's what Colosseum means.

00:18:51.000 It's wild when you go to Italy, and especially Rome, and you're standing in structures that have been there for, and were living, and had, you know, people died on that.

00:19:02.000 It's kind of like the octagon, the original octagon, you know? 0.96

00:19:04.000 Well, way more fucked up than that. 0.99

00:19:05.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:19:06.000 Here's one of the things they found out just recently, like really recently, that they had boat fights.

00:19:12.000 They would fill the bottom of the Colosseum with water.

00:19:15.000 Wow.

00:19:16.000 And they would have boats.

00:19:17.000 Jesus.

00:19:17.000 And they've literally just discovered this.

00:19:20.000 They discovered some sort of artwork or some writing that indicated that these boat fights took place for a very short amount of time, like a couple of years.

00:19:32.000 How do you do that?

00:19:32.000 Fight each other with your oars?

00:19:33.000 They would have battles.

00:19:36.000 Here it is.

00:19:37.000 They would fill up...

00:19:39.000 Powerful, Jamie.

00:19:40.000 They would fill up the bottom with two meters of water, six feet of water, and have these boats and float these boats around, and they would fight to the death on boats. 0.99

00:19:49.000 How the fuck would they do that? 0.93

00:19:50.000 I guess the walls kept the water. 0.99

00:19:52.000 How would they drain it, though?

00:19:54.000 Well, they had a very complex drainage system.

00:19:56.000 They showed the drainage system to us.

00:19:58.000 They take you on a tour, you know?

00:20:00.000 And they were showing us the drainage system and also the system of raising the wild animals from the basement up through the floor.

00:20:09.000 Yeah, how would they do that?

00:20:10.000 They had this thing where they had a reenactment or recreation of one that I took some photos of.

00:20:17.000 I put one of the photos on my Instagram.

00:20:19.000 And these wild animals would be locked in these rooms, right?

00:20:23.000 These small rooms.

00:20:24.000 They would give them no food, no water.

00:20:26.000 And they'd keep them there for days.

00:20:28.000 So they'd be freaking out and starving.

00:20:30.000 And then finally, they'd take them out of the dark.

00:20:32.000 They'd force them into this platform.

00:20:35.000 And then they would have these slaves crank this mechanism that would lift the platform up through a trap door in the floor.

00:20:45.000 So their first light in days.

00:20:47.000 And they would be out there with these gladiators.

00:20:51.000 Brutal.

00:20:53.000 Floor.

00:20:54.000 Like, they had several levels.

00:20:55.000 And the bottom level was all the rich people. 1.00

00:20:58.000 But they fucked up. 0.99

00:20:59.000 And they didn't have the walls high enough. 1.00

00:21:02.000 So the lions would leap 12 feet over the wall and just jack all these rich people.

00:21:08.000 Jesus.

00:21:09.000 Jesus Christ.

00:21:11.000 Now the wall.

00:21:12.000 Take it away.

00:21:14.000 Yeah.

00:21:15.000 It's like the San Francisco Zoo when that tiger jumped that 12-foot wall or whatever.

00:21:18.000 Exactly, yeah.

00:21:19.000 Jesus. 0.87

00:21:19.000 Well, they had to figure out how to do it, too, because they would get these animals in there, and most of the time they'd let the animals out, and the animals would be just fucking scared. 0.87

00:21:26.000 They didn't want to fight. 0.89

00:21:27.000 Yeah.

00:21:27.000 So they realized that by keeping them down there with no food and no water and getting them to a complete state of desperation and hysteria, that would allow them to ensure that when they pop that trapdoor, the lions would come out and just try to jack people.

00:21:42.000 Brutal.

00:21:42.000 Yeah, they would kill everything.

00:21:43.000 They had elephants, they had all sorts of crazy fucking animals they had brought in from Africa, which, by the way, is not even a thousand miles away. 0.99

00:21:50.000 I had no idea Africa was so close to Italy. 0.99

00:21:53.000 You can see it.

00:21:54.000 Really?

00:21:55.000 Well, you can see...

00:21:56.000 What are you, Sarah Palin?

00:21:56.000 You can see Africa from Sicily, I believe.

00:21:59.000 You can see Africa from...

00:22:01.000 You can see it.

00:22:04.000 Yeah.

00:22:05.000 On clear days.

00:22:06.000 Wow.

00:22:06.000 That's crazy.

00:22:07.000 Correct me if I'm wrong, anybody.

00:22:08.000 That doesn't make any sense.

00:22:08.000 It seems like too many miles.

00:22:10.000 No, there are certain parts of...

00:22:11.000 Let me look at a map.

00:22:13.000 I can't remember.

00:22:13.000 That seems like way too far.

00:22:15.000 There was one area you can see from Spain, from the tip of Spain, maybe?

00:22:20.000 I think.

00:22:21.000 I can't remember.

00:22:21.000 Either way.

00:22:21.000 Somebody will correct me.

00:22:22.000 But kind of crazy.

00:22:23.000 What?

00:22:24.000 Sicily in Spain says you can.

00:22:25.000 You see it from mountains or something?

00:22:27.000 Yeah.

00:22:27.000 Wow.

00:22:28.000 That's crazy.

00:22:29.000 How crazy is that that that's that close?

00:22:31.000 It is.

00:22:31.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:22:32.000 Look, Sicily.

00:22:33.000 Look at how close it is.

00:22:34.000 Wow, it's really close.

00:22:36.000 Yeah.

00:22:36.000 Sicily's not attached, but I don't know why they have it.

00:22:38.000 Why do they have it attached?

00:22:39.000 That's really weird. 0.96

00:22:40.000 That's a shitty map.

00:22:41.000 Yeah. 0.94

00:22:41.000 Here's the view. 0.94

00:22:43.000 Oh, what?

00:22:45.000 Yeah.

00:22:45.000 That's Africa?

00:22:46.000 Yeah, you can see Africa.

00:22:47.000 It's that close?

00:22:48.000 No wonder why the Moors conquered Sicily. 1.00

00:22:50.000 Exactly.

00:22:51.000 They're right there.

00:22:51.000 Exactly.

00:22:52.000 It's not like they traveled.

00:22:53.000 No. 1.00

00:22:53.000 They got a fucking raft. 1.00

00:22:55.000 Floated over. 1.00

00:22:56.000 They backstroked all the way over.

00:22:57.000 They jacked everybody. 0.99

00:22:58.000 But it's fucking beautiful. 1.00

00:23:01.000 It's so beautiful, man. 0.99

00:23:03.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

00:23:03.000 God damn. 1.00

00:23:04.000 The Amalfi Coast? 1.00

00:23:05.000 That's where we went.

00:23:06.000 We went there too.

00:23:07.000 We did the Amalfi Coast, the Vatican. 0.92

00:23:09.000 The Vatican's insane.

00:23:11.000 Did you do the Vatican? 0.88

00:23:12.000 I did.

00:23:12.000 It's insane.

00:23:13.000 First of all...

00:23:14.000 It's one of the seven wonders, man. 0.99

00:23:15.000 Well, the fact that you're walking around on this fucking tile that's 1700 years old. 0.99

00:23:22.000 It's incredible. 0.99

00:23:22.000 And it all holds up. 0.99

00:23:24.000 Mosaic.

00:23:24.000 Yeah.

00:23:25.000 I mean, beautiful artwork that everybody's walking on.

00:23:29.000 Yeah.

00:23:29.000 Like, the guy was explaining to us that, like, this is a 17-year, 100-year-old work of art.

00:23:34.000 Not only that, it was moved from somewhere else and reconstructed hundreds of years ago inside the Vatican.

00:23:39.000 It wasn't even originally there. 0.99

00:23:40.000 Damn. 0.99

00:23:41.000 I never, ever... 0.99

00:23:43.000 I've been to St. Peter's Cathedral, I don't know, maybe ten times.

00:23:46.000 My uncle used to live there, and he had a rent-controlled apartment over the Piazza Navona, which is really close.

00:23:51.000 Your uncle used to live in Rome?

00:23:52.000 Yes.

00:23:52.000 What was he doing there?

00:23:53.000 My uncle was in Brooklyn, New York, in Bensonhurst, New York, my uncle. 0.88

00:24:00.000 Was a gay man. 0.83

00:24:01.000 He was very handsome.

00:24:04.000 He was a diver.

00:24:06.000 But of course, he was an actor and a singer and a dancer.

00:24:12.000 And of course, in Bensonhurst, Brooklyn, in the, I don't know, let's call it the, what?

00:24:19.000 50s?

00:24:20.000 30s?

00:24:20.000 40s?

00:24:21.000 When you were gay, you know, it wasn't... 0.53

00:24:24.000 First of all, you were very Catholic, so that was already a sin. 1.00

00:24:26.000 Second of all, you weren't really that welcome. 0.98

00:24:29.000 There wasn't a whole lot of, gay pride!

00:24:31.000 Everybody want to march?

00:24:32.000 So he went to Italy.

00:24:34.000 He went to Rome.

00:24:35.000 Wow.

00:24:36.000 Because he knew he could be accepted?

00:24:37.000 Yeah.

00:24:38.000 Well, he found his little niche.

00:24:39.000 He got into the theater company there.

00:24:42.000 Good move.

00:24:42.000 And spoke Italian, of course.

00:24:44.000 Of course.

00:24:45.000 And lived for...

00:24:46.000 And he died at 96 and lived above the Piazza Novona in a rent-controlled... 0.98

00:24:51.000 Did he die from dicks? 0.70

00:24:52.000 That the Vatican owned. 0.99

00:24:54.000 He didn't die.

00:24:55.000 No?

00:24:55.000 Sir, I'm going to ask you to be a little more mature.

00:24:58.000 We have a lot of people listening. 0.99

00:25:00.000 He did not die from dicks. 0.98

00:25:02.000 But he was a character, man. 0.98

00:25:04.000 And he did lots of plays. 0.91

00:25:06.000 Did you know that the Vatican owns the building that houses Europe's largest gay bathhouse? 1.00

00:25:11.000 I did not know that.

00:25:12.000 But I also don't believe you.

00:25:14.000 Because is that a matter of...

00:25:16.000 Is that a matter of conjecture?

00:25:18.000 No, it's a fact.

00:25:19.000 It's probably a bathhouse. 0.99

00:25:20.000 No, it's the largest gay bathhouse in Europe, and the Vatican owns it. 1.00

00:25:24.000 Not only that, the cardinals or the bishops, whose fucking office is right above the gay bathhouse? 1.00

00:25:31.000 Conveniently. 1.00

00:25:32.000 Conveniently. 1.00

00:25:32.000 There's a fucking chute that just drops down. 1.00

00:25:35.000 They own a lot of property. 1.00

00:25:35.000 They just lube up their butt and drop down through the floor. 1.00

00:25:38.000 Whoop! 1.00

00:25:39.000 Look at this. 0.99

00:25:40.000 Vatican plays landlord to Europe's biggest gay bathhouse. 0.99

00:25:42.000 Catholic Church paid $30 million to acquire a building that houses a senior cardinal and a huge gay sauna. 0.99

00:25:50.000 Nothing wrong with that. 0.99

00:25:50.000 How weird. 0.99

00:25:51.000 It's so weird.

00:25:52.000 I mean, I don't know why they would want to own that.

00:25:55.000 I don't know. 1.00

00:25:56.000 Because you want to sweat while you get your dick worked? 1.00

00:25:59.000 While you get your dick worked by strong man hands? 1.00

00:26:03.000 That's all. 1.00

00:26:04.000 The amount of artwork that is in the Vatican.

00:26:07.000 Like, if you haven't been there before, like, I was not that excited about going to the Vatican before I went there.

00:26:11.000 I was like, well, I want to see the Colosseum.

00:26:14.000 Obviously, it's like one of the great wonders of history, like, that they had this thing there, and that they did this, and then...

00:26:20.000 It's also like the ultimate sign of excess, you know?

00:26:24.000 Yeah.

00:26:24.000 Like the one thing that people point to when they talk about societies falling apart due to excess is the Romans.

00:26:29.000 The Romans, they went crazy. 1.00

00:26:31.000 It was also sort of what gave food to the Reformation when Martin Luther, this German Jesuit priest, said, hey man, all this money that's going to, you know, idolatry essentially, like building these incredible statues and these incredible cathedrals and we're starving over here.

00:26:48.000 How about if we just read the Bible?

00:26:50.000 If we just read the Bible, then maybe we'll be, you know, just as in favor with God as you guys.

00:26:57.000 And maybe we don't need a hierarchy of bishops and all these and popes and all this sort of rank and file that also needs a salary, that's also taking money.

00:27:07.000 Well, Martin Luther was also the first guy to translate the Bible phonetically so that regular people could read it.

00:27:13.000 Because everybody else was like, no one knew Latin. 0.86

00:27:16.000 They couldn't read Latin.

00:27:17.000 That's right.

00:27:17.000 So it was only these priests that we had to rely on to get the Word of God from.

00:27:22.000 And Martin Luther was like, that's ridiculous.

00:27:24.000 But luckily, Martin Luther had such a high standing in society that they couldn't kill him. 0.76

00:27:29.000 Right.

00:27:30.000 They tried.

00:27:30.000 He had to leave.

00:27:31.000 He was always on the run, but you're right.

00:27:32.000 But if he was anyone else, if he wasn't a very respected, high-standing person in society, they probably would have jacked him a long time ago.

00:27:39.000 Yeah.

00:27:40.000 There was already, I can't remember, I read a lot about it back in the day, but he was always under threat of that.

00:27:47.000 He had to, essentially, I think it was in Bittenberg.

00:27:50.000 There's this phrase that people always associate with Rome called the vomitorium.

00:27:55.000 And that's not what it sounds like.

00:27:58.000 Everybody thinks that they got there and they threw up and then they went back and ate again.

00:28:02.000 That's not what they did.

00:28:03.000 I always thought they did that.

00:28:04.000 Yeah.

00:28:05.000 No, the vomitorium refers to the way they got people out of the stadium.

00:28:10.000 It had nothing to do with the word vomit.

00:28:12.000 Huh.

00:28:13.000 The way the stadium is structured is this gigantic, that's a vomitorium, is the exit.

00:28:19.000 So they had all these exits.

00:28:21.000 They had a bunch of different doors all throughout the building.

00:28:24.000 If you look at some images of the Coliseum, there's all these pathways.

00:28:30.000 You would go 30 yards over, there's another pathway.

00:28:33.000 30 yards over, there's another pathway.

00:28:34.000 And that allowed an efficient way of getting people...

00:28:38.000 See, look at all the doorways.

00:28:39.000 See all those doorways?

00:28:41.000 That was an efficient method of getting people out of the stadium.

00:28:45.000 So they called it a vomitorium.

00:28:47.000 But if you look at the etymology of the word, look up the origins of the word vomitorium and what it means in Latin.

00:28:55.000 But it doesn't have anything to do with vomit.

00:28:57.000 But it sounds like it. 0.99

00:28:58.000 So everybody was like, Oh, they just fucking ate and threw up. 0.98

00:29:01.000 So people sort of repeated that over and over and over again. 0.99

00:29:03.000 They'd stick a feather down their throat. 1.00

00:29:05.000 I'm sure someone did that. 1.00

00:29:06.000 I'm sure there was some fat fuck that wanted to keep partying. 1.00

00:29:09.000 That happens today. 1.00

00:29:09.000 That happens right now in Los Angeles. 1.00

00:29:10.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

00:29:11.000 I used to date a girl who had a problem with that. 1.00

00:29:13.000 So did I. Yeah.

00:29:14.000 A lot of them.

00:29:15.000 Vomitorium.

00:29:15.000 Okay, here it was.

00:29:17.000 A place which, according to popular misconception, the ancient Romans were supposed to have vomited.

00:29:21.000 That's not true.

00:29:22.000 The arch of a series of entrances or exit passways in an ancient Roman amphitheater or theater.

00:29:29.000 Yeah, see, that's what it really means.

00:29:30.000 So the popular misconception, the second version of it, but translate, use over time.

00:29:37.000 What is the origins of the word, though?

00:29:39.000 Like, what does that mean?

00:29:41.000 Vomitoria is the plural noun.

00:29:44.000 Huh, that's weird.

00:29:45.000 That's the plural.

00:29:47.000 Vomitoria.

00:29:47.000 Probably, you know, it sounds like it's where people would vomit out of, right?

00:29:52.000 Yeah, but it's not vomit.

00:29:54.000 That's not, it's like, that's our word, but that's not like what they would call it.

00:29:59.000 Right.

00:29:59.000 Like, you know what I'm saying?

00:30:01.000 Like, our word vomit is puke, but that's not what they were referring to when they were calling it a vomitorium.

00:30:07.000 It's just one of those weird Latin things. 0.90

00:30:10.000 But everybody always thinks that.

00:30:11.000 Everybody always thinks that that's what a vomitorium was. 0.99

00:30:14.000 Like, can you imagine if there was a fucking house that people would go to throw up in? 1.00

00:30:17.000 Like, hey, let's go to the vomitorium and fucking puke. 1.00

00:30:20.000 Like, what kind of assholes? 1.00

00:30:22.000 Here's a feather. 1.00

00:30:23.000 But you would call it the puke house? 0.98

00:30:25.000 Like, that is so ridiculous. 0.99

00:30:27.000 The puke room? 0.99

00:30:29.000 Vomitorium.

00:30:29.000 The puke room, the sauna room.

00:30:31.000 What is the actual...

00:30:32.000 What does it say, Jamie?

00:30:34.000 It says here where it might have came from, the misinterpretations.

00:30:38.000 Yeah, but what does the original...

00:30:39.000 What does the actual word mean?

00:30:42.000 Like, vomitorium.

00:30:45.000 It sounds like it's the entrance.

00:30:48.000 To spew forth.

00:30:50.000 Oh, to spew forth.

00:30:52.000 To spew forth!

00:30:53.000 And I wonder if vomit actually came from that then.

00:30:55.000 Oh, for sure.

00:30:57.000 So the original thing was an exit, and then vomit became that.

00:31:02.000 Huh, that's interesting.

00:31:04.000 It's kind of how language happens, right?

00:31:05.000 Yeah, but it's weird how it happens over thousands of years, how things distort and warp.

00:31:10.000 Yeah, that's how language is always changing.

00:31:12.000 It's always changing.

00:31:13.000 We're always making up our own languages.

00:31:15.000 It's constant. 0.98

00:31:16.000 When we were there, they had just found some new shit two days before we were there. 0.97

00:31:22.000 They're constantly finding new passages underneath the Colosseum and new things. 0.97

00:31:28.000 But the amount of work that was done in completing that building and making those structures, it's insane.

00:31:36.000 With free labor, which is why slavery isn't that bad.

00:31:40.000 What?

00:31:40.000 Wait a minute.

00:31:41.000 It's interesting that slavery was the order of the day. 0.99

00:31:45.000 It was for most of history.

00:31:46.000 Okay, but when you look at like wage slavery today, when you, I mean, there's no slavery today, but if you can imprison people in a state of poverty, right, and it's not against their will, right, voluntarily, you get people hooked on buying things and you get them hooked on credit,

00:32:06.000 So they need to work, they constantly need to work, and then they're in these jobs that are completely dead-end, low-wage jobs where they can't go anywhere, and then they perform these menial tasks until we figure out robots that can do those tasks far better and far more efficient.

00:32:21.000 It's not slavery, because they can quit and leave anytime they want.

00:32:25.000 But in a lot of ways, it has the same effect.

00:32:30.000 There's a difference, I think.

00:32:32.000 There's a lot of differences.

00:32:33.000 I'm talking about there's a macro difference.

00:32:37.000 There is an idea that has gained great traction.

00:32:43.000 Because ideas move really slowly sometimes.

00:32:46.000 But there's an idea that...

00:32:48.000 It has gained traction in most of the world, and even in parts of the world where it isn't, they try to defend it as it being so.

00:32:55.000 And that is the idea of universal human rights.

00:32:59.000 Universal human rights was not an idea that was embraced by most of the world, even as far back, probably you can make the argument, as 1940. Slavery was alive and well.

00:33:10.000 Think about this country in itself, this country until 1964, was it, where there was separate but equal. 0.95

00:33:18.000 The idea that you had black and white water fountains.

00:33:22.000 A hundred years before that, which is nothing, slavery.

00:33:25.000 That's right.

00:33:26.000 And so the idea that, and of course that had to be defended along biblical grounds and all these kind of shoddy ideas, but the idea of Universal human rights.

00:33:37.000 Even though the Judeo-Christian ethic and even Islam talked about sort of everybody being of the same moral worth because we're all from the same father, right?

00:33:45.000 That's the monotheistic notion and where value comes in those religions.

00:33:49.000 We're all the same as long as you, you know, read the Bible and follow these tenets.

00:33:55.000 Universal human rights is something a little bit different, and it's a modern concept.

00:33:59.000 And that, like, say, germ theory, the idea that these things you can't see, but you still have to wash your hands or you can spread bacteria and things like that.

00:34:07.000 Those things that move very slowly, but that is, I think...

00:34:10.000 How are you connecting those two?

00:34:11.000 I was just talking about how both those ideas are ideas that took a long time to gain traction, you know, even though they were good for us.

00:34:19.000 But let's stick to universal human rights.

00:34:23.000 I think that that idea is just that mindset and the fact that you have to defend it as a society is why there's such a stark difference between...

00:34:35.000 I understand what you're saying by being at bondage to your lifestyle, to having to make a living because you got people to depend on you and stuff like that.

00:34:43.000 I don't think that'll ever go away.

00:34:44.000 But there's such a...

00:34:46.000 Oh, that could definitely go away.

00:34:48.000 You don't think that'll go away?

00:34:49.000 I think that could definitely go away the same way slavery has gone away.

00:34:52.000 I'm optimistic, but what I'm saying is that there's – I think when I'm – like, slaves have zero dignity.

00:34:59.000 In fact, there's no – somebody one time, a historian, said there's no such thing as a slave.

00:35:04.000 There are people in bondage.

00:35:05.000 So anybody who is a slave – you're not a slave, but you are a person in slavery, right?

00:35:12.000 So he posed this question.

00:35:14.000 He said, when did the civil rights movement begin in this country?

00:35:16.000 I was like, well, in Selma, Alabama in the 60s and the 50s.

00:35:20.000 No, he said, no, no, no, no.

00:35:21.000 He said, the Civil Rights Movement began the first day that an African American was brought to this country against his will. 0.92

00:35:29.000 Any human being doesn't want to be in bondage.

00:35:32.000 You are always trying to get out of bondage.

00:35:34.000 And there is that striving for dignity that I think we're getting closer to.

00:35:39.000 Wait a minute.

00:35:40.000 That's slavery. 0.99

00:35:42.000 How is that the civil rights movement?

00:35:43.000 That's the first day that someone's brought to the United States against their will.

00:35:47.000 That's not the first day that someone enacted some sort of a civil rights movement.

00:35:52.000 What he was saying was that everybody is always fighting for dignity and their own sovereignty and their own civil rights.

00:36:00.000 Regardless of where they are, if you put someone in bondage and you make them do things against their will and you take their dignity away...

00:36:09.000 They are immediately beginning the struggle for their own freedom.

00:36:14.000 Right, and that's where the conspiracy theories fall into play, where modern capitalism is thought of as being some sort of a new way around that.

00:36:22.000 That instead of having people slaves, like literally bonding them, putting them in chains, keeping them against their will, instead you just set up these honey traps.

00:36:31.000 And you allow people to get sucked into these things like having massive debt from student loans and making credit cards easy and allowing people to mortgage a house they can't really afford, knowing full well that eventually the bank's gonna foreclose on this and reap some sort of a profit.

00:36:49.000 And that all these things, this is where conspiracy theories fall into play, That all these things are set up to enact a modern form of slavery, and that there's always going to be people that are taking advantage of people below them and putting them in very disadvantageous situations for their own gain.

00:37:06.000 I would say that that's literally the state of nature.

00:37:10.000 And what I mean by that is that, let's just take, for example, the marketplace.

00:37:14.000 If you just let people go, let people do their thing.

00:37:18.000 They are going to, for example, there's going to be a marketplace for differences of opinion.

00:37:25.000 This is what I mean.

00:37:27.000 There's a company.

00:37:28.000 It's about to start up.

00:37:30.000 You start a company.

00:37:31.000 I don't know what it is.

00:37:32.000 Let's just say it's a gadget.

00:37:36.000 Right.

00:37:38.000 Right.

00:37:46.000 Right.

00:37:53.000 There's a marketplace for what essentially is a derivative or a swap.

00:37:58.000 There's a marketplace there where people say, I will bet you.

00:38:02.000 I will short that.

00:38:04.000 I will basically say, I'll buy it at this price.

00:38:07.000 Right now.

00:38:08.000 And I'll sell it to you.

00:38:10.000 And if it goes up in value, you pay me the difference.

00:38:12.000 That's how marketplaces work. 0.88

00:38:15.000 So for me, capitalism is just a bunch of people with different opinions who are trying to make money, who are coming up with ideas.

00:38:22.000 And if you create a society where you can enforce contracts and make people keep their promises, and you can ensure that people have what's called property rights, which is really important, You know, courts essentially that have integrity,

00:38:38.000 that can't be bought off.

00:38:40.000 Then that's, as far as I can see, what you'd call a free market capitalist society.

00:38:46.000 And it seems to be better than most of the other sort of systems that require central oversight.

00:38:57.000 Not because central oversight is such a bad thing.

00:39:00.000 I just think it's impossible to control You know, the way people think on such a macro scale.

00:39:06.000 I think it's very...

00:39:07.000 Well, I don't think you have to control the way people think.

00:39:09.000 Well, or behave.

00:39:10.000 Or behave or barter.

00:39:12.000 Well, yeah, I get it.

00:39:14.000 And I see what you're saying about capitalism, and I see what you're saying about society.

00:39:17.000 But I think that all these things, when we point to ancient Rome, we point to how fucked up their world was, and slavery as recently as a couple hundred years ago, I think what we're saying is things are getting better.

00:39:30.000 We're evolving.

00:39:31.000 We're figuring out a way to make a society that is more beneficial to more people, but still not to everyone.

00:39:39.000 And then the point is, is it possible to create a utopian society where it's beneficial to virtually everyone?

00:39:46.000 And then the way to do that, the only way to do that is like, here's a good example.

00:39:52.000 People love to tout socialism as some sort of a cure to what ails us.

00:40:00.000 You know, that somehow or another that if you get people and you give everybody money and everybody shares wealth equally.

00:40:07.000 But the problem with that cuts out incentive.

00:40:10.000 Incentive for madness and excellence. 0.98

00:40:12.000 And the incentive for madness and excellence is why you have Tesla motor cars and Elon Musk and all these fucking- Steve Jobs. 0.99

00:40:19.000 Steve Jobs. 1.00

00:40:19.000 Steve Jobs is a fucking maniac. 1.00

00:40:22.000 Yes. 1.00

00:40:23.000 Probably a bad dad.

00:40:24.000 Probably. 1.00

00:40:25.000 Probably a shitty guy to work for. 1.00

00:40:26.000 You know? 1.00

00:40:27.000 Probably a total asshole. 1.00

00:40:28.000 If you did something wrong, if you put a one instead of a zero in a line of code and the fucking phone crashed when it hit a thousand emails or whatever, you'd probably beat the fuck out of you. 1.00

00:40:37.000 I mean, he's a maniac. 0.99

00:40:38.000 But it was because of him that we have iPhones. 0.82

00:40:42.000 It's because of that kind of madness.

00:40:44.000 100%.

00:40:44.000 How many iPhones have you bought that were made in Russia?

00:40:47.000 How many cars have you bought that were made in Russia?

00:40:49.000 Exactly. 0.99

00:40:49.000 But Russia's a fucked up example because it's not really socialism. 0.99

00:40:54.000 It's really communist dictatorship. 0.99

00:40:55.000 Well, now it is, yeah.

00:40:56.000 Well, it kind of was, and then it wasn't, and then it was again.

00:40:59.000 It never really recovered.

00:40:59.000 Well, the Russians, I think their problem is they have one idea of power, which is, pick as guns, divert your eyes in my presence.

00:41:05.000 How fucked up is it that Russia's getting kicked out of the Olympics? 0.99

00:41:08.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:41:09.000 Are you paying attention to this?

00:41:10.000 Yeah, of course. 1.00

00:41:11.000 Fuck, they're going to kick the whole team out. 1.00

00:41:13.000 The whole Russian team. 1.00

00:41:14.000 Well, cheating is so...

00:41:15.000 It's so systemic.

00:41:16.000 It's so systemic.

00:41:17.000 It's state-sponsored.

00:41:19.000 Yeah.

00:41:19.000 It's crazy.

00:41:19.000 I mean, they've got the KGB, apparently, or what used to be the KGB involved.

00:41:23.000 Well, then they have this one woman who's a whistleblower who's going to compete independently without a nation. 1.00

00:41:28.000 How long before they kill her?

00:41:29.000 I know. 1.00

00:41:30.000 Good luck with that bitch getting a fucking bottle of water. 1.00

00:41:33.000 That's Russia's problem. 1.00

00:41:34.000 Russia's idea. 0.86

00:41:35.000 There are two types of power, right?

00:41:36.000 There's the power where you can't stop staring at somebody because they have prestige and you want to be like them.

00:41:42.000 Right.

00:41:42.000 That's a power that you can use for good.

00:41:44.000 If you have all those eyeballs on you, you can say, hey guys, I know you're all looking at me and you do this all the time.

00:41:49.000 How many people download this podcast?

00:41:52.000 You're very aware of the responsibility that comes with, so you do two things.

00:41:55.000 You try to keep it really honest and true to yourself, but you also try to have really smart people on who have different perspectives so you can kind of figure out a way to get those ideas out into people's heads.

00:42:05.000 That's one form of power that I would consider a positive use.

00:42:09.000 Then there's the Russian model of power.

00:42:11.000 Well, it's not powerful.

00:42:11.000 It's power.

00:42:12.000 It's influence.

00:42:13.000 I think they're very closely related.

00:42:17.000 I think they're joined at the head.

00:42:17.000 Well, it doesn't control anyone.

00:42:19.000 That's the difference between the power that Putin has and the power that the Nerdist has.

00:42:26.000 So, exactly.

00:42:27.000 You just used the word.

00:42:28.000 So, there's a difference.

00:42:29.000 So, there's power that controls and there's power that inspires.

00:42:33.000 And I think power that inspires is what this country needs to keep in mind at all times.

00:42:39.000 That's the power.

00:42:40.000 Look, you always need power.

00:42:41.000 You need guns and stuff. 0.99

00:42:42.000 They're crazy people. 0.59

00:42:43.000 You need a strong military.

00:42:44.000 Well, I think the difference is you're using a blanket statement, like power.

00:42:47.000 It's like the word drugs, like caffeine's drugs, so is meth.

00:42:50.000 You know what I mean?

00:42:51.000 There's power, and then there's influence, but there's things that are powerful, and then there's things that have power over people.

00:42:59.000 Exactly.

00:43:00.000 To control people, and then people can't do anything about it.

00:43:03.000 Exactly.

00:43:04.000 That's a difference.

00:43:05.000 That's right.

00:43:05.000 So the word power, the problem is the use of the word power.

00:43:09.000 But remember, also, the mindset.

00:43:12.000 I believe that Russia, which is such an amazing group of people, they could do anything they wanted, and a strong culture.

00:43:19.000 But I think the mindset of Russians, and in many ways, maybe it's not their fault, maybe it's a product of their history, their mindset is that they admire Russia.

00:43:27.000 The first example of power, control and strength and dominance more than they admire the power that influences and inspires.

00:43:37.000 Things that are powerful.

00:43:39.000 So they're like Trump supporters?

00:43:40.000 I think so.

00:43:41.000 I think so.

00:43:42.000 They're Putin supporters.

00:43:44.000 They like a strong man at the helm.

00:43:45.000 Doesn't Trump like Putin and Putin likes Trump?

00:43:48.000 Yes.

00:43:48.000 That's probably not good, right?

00:43:51.000 I would imagine no.

00:43:53.000 I haven't been paying attention to the Republican National Convention, but Jamie did.

00:43:58.000 But I am paying attention to the fact that this is what I like about all this stuff. 0.97

00:44:04.000 What I like about all this Trump nonsense is, it's shown how vulnerable this system is to fuckery. 0.99

00:44:10.000 That a madman can come along and just take over the whole thing. 1.00

00:44:14.000 Did you see what his fucking biographer said? 1.00

00:44:17.000 Yeah, he had deep remorse, right? 1.00

00:44:19.000 Deep remorse.

00:44:20.000 And he said that if Donald Trump becomes president and has the key to the nuclear football, he said he literally could be the end of civilization.

00:44:27.000 He said the book should have been titled, instead of The Art of the Deal, should have been titled The Art of Sociopath.

00:44:34.000 I believe it.

00:44:35.000 Or the words of a sociopath or something along those lines. 1.00

00:44:37.000 But his take on Trump was that he's a total sociopath. 0.99

00:44:40.000 It's not surprising to me. 0.95

00:44:41.000 I mean, he's certainly a narcissist and maybe they're the same thing in some ways.

00:44:46.000 He's got a hot wife though. 1.00

00:44:47.000 He's got a hot wife. 0.81

00:44:48.000 He's always bringing things back to himself and he just lies at his convenience.

00:44:54.000 It's unbelievable.

00:44:56.000 Do you know that he's been sued something like 3,500 times?

00:45:00.000 I believe that.

00:45:01.000 When you have a huge company, that happens a lot.

00:45:03.000 So that's not as surprising to me.

00:45:07.000 But like by waiters and stuff.

00:45:09.000 Oh, yeah.

00:45:09.000 Well, you know, his creditors, a lot of people that invested, you know, people that did work for him never got paid.

00:45:14.000 A lot of the companies that he started went bankrupt.

00:45:19.000 What about Trump University?

00:45:21.000 Well, yeah, we talk about him being this great businessman.

00:45:24.000 I don't know that we have a lot of evidence.

00:45:25.000 He's done a good job creating a brand that's worth something.

00:45:29.000 So if you put it on a hotel, it comes with, in your mind, you think of high-quality, prestigious, you know, nice bedding.

00:45:37.000 Or if he has a building, it's the Trump Tower.

00:45:40.000 Well, isn't it also interesting that he took the name Trump?

00:45:44.000 Because, like, I believe Trump Card, that expression Trump Card, was there before the name Trump.

00:45:50.000 Because his last name is Drumpf.

00:45:52.000 Yeah, Drumpf.

00:45:53.000 That's his actual last name.

00:45:55.000 I saw John Oliver talk about that, his real name.

00:45:57.000 Well, I mean, there's nothing wrong with the name Drumpf. 0.97

00:45:59.000 I mean, shit, Arnold Schwarzenegger became famous as Arnold Schwarzenegger. 0.99

00:46:02.000 I mean, he's got the goofiest fucking name ever, and he smashed it with that name. 1.00

00:46:06.000 In America, you can get away with it. 0.99

00:46:07.000 Why couldn't you be Drumpf?

00:46:09.000 There's nothing wrong with Trump.

00:46:10.000 It doesn't mean anything.

00:46:12.000 I remember being amazed that the United States voted a man by the name of Barack Hussein Obama in when our public enemy number one was Osama bin Laden.

00:46:23.000 Phonetically, they sound very similar.

00:46:25.000 Oh, yeah.

00:46:25.000 Well, how about Hussein?

00:46:27.000 We're also enemies with Saddam Hussein.

00:46:29.000 Exactly.

00:46:30.000 It's crazy.

00:46:30.000 Yeah.

00:46:30.000 I mean, he had a goofy-ass fucking name for a guy to be elected president.

00:46:33.000 But that's why I give Americans a lot of credit. 1.00

00:46:35.000 I think Americans are, you know, if you listen to Europeans talk, they're always marveling at how quote-unquote dumb Americans are. 0.88

00:46:41.000 I don't think Americans are dumb, and I think Americans in a lot of ways are very fair-minded, too. 0.99

00:46:45.000 Wow. 0.80

00:46:45.000 Well, there's that, but there's also the fact there's a two-party system where if you are on the left, you have to support whoever's on the left. 0.80

00:46:52.000 That's why all these people are lining up to support Hillary Clinton and ignoring left and right all the crazy evidence against her just being completely full of shit. 1.00

00:47:01.000 She's corrupt. 1.00

00:47:02.000 Oh, my God. 0.92

00:47:03.000 We played this video the other day where they were showing the difference between what the FBI has said about her trial, about them looking into the email server, the illegal use of the email server, the fact that top-secret documents were shared,

00:47:19.000 cut and pasted, and shared with people that did not have the status to be able to check those, and that multiple devices were used to access these.

00:47:27.000 And then compared them to what she has said about it. 0.99

00:47:30.000 She's just a liar. 1.00

00:47:32.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:47:32.000 She's a liar. 1.00

00:47:33.000 He's a liar. 1.00

00:47:34.000 She's a liar. 1.00

00:47:34.000 Why do you think she set that server up in her bathroom? 1.00

00:47:38.000 What was the benefit of that, do you think? 0.99

00:47:40.000 Who the fuck knows? 0.99

00:47:41.000 Was it just convenience? 1.00

00:47:43.000 And was she told to do that?

00:47:44.000 It could be that.

00:47:45.000 It could be that she just didn't want anybody to have any oversight over her email, and she wanted to have a server in her home. 0.99

00:47:52.000 Look, she deleted a lot of fucking emails. 1.00

00:47:54.000 Thousands of emails. 1.00

00:47:56.000 And you're not supposed to do that.

00:47:58.000 That's a part of that gig.

00:48:00.000 Part of that gig is transparency.

00:48:02.000 She skirted around that gig.

00:48:03.000 I had Mike Baker in here from the CIA, a former CIA operative, who said flat out, if he had done the same thing, he goes, I would be in jail.

00:48:12.000 No, he'd be in jail.

00:48:13.000 And he was discussing how this is just not done, and everyone knows this.

00:48:17.000 This is not a woman who just stepped into politics for the first time.

00:48:20.000 This is someone who's been involved in politics virtually her whole life.

00:48:23.000 I read a good article somebody sent me, and I'll send it to you.

00:48:26.000 I can't remember what the magazine was.

00:48:28.000 It was a credible magazine.

00:48:30.000 He said, look, I have my point of view on Hillary.

00:48:33.000 And he's not a left-leaning.

00:48:34.000 I think he's probably more of a conservative columnist.

00:48:37.000 And he went and he interviewed all the people that have worked with Hillary Clinton, for, with, and even her opponents.

00:48:47.000 And it was really, really, really interesting to get the perspective.

00:48:50.000 He said the one thing that they talk about is, number one, she doesn't feel very comfortable in front of... 0.95

00:48:56.000 It's not a natural fit for her to be in front of audiences talking.

00:49:00.000 But dude, she's such a great speaker. 1.00

00:49:02.000 She's a great speaker.

00:49:02.000 The shrill way she talks!

00:49:05.000 It's so nice on the ears!

00:49:07.000 See, I think her voice is very grounded and strong like this.

00:49:10.000 It's boxy.

00:49:11.000 It's like her body.

00:49:12.000 They did use words like...

00:49:13.000 They consider her to be funny, thoughtful, and very intelligent.

00:49:18.000 Now, that was an interesting...

00:49:21.000 My eyes were a little bit open.

00:49:22.000 I said, well, the people that are close to her that have worked with her had more...

00:49:27.000 Favorable things to say, and I'm not a Hillary supporter, but they had more favorable than negative, which I thought was pretty interesting because I never thought of actually interviewing people that have worked closely with her.

00:49:35.000 Okay, stop right there.

00:49:37.000 These are political people.

00:49:39.000 True.

00:49:39.000 So think about what their job is, what they do for a living, and how to make it in that world.

00:49:44.000 You have to be full of shit. 1.00

00:49:46.000 It's like Hollywood. 1.00

00:49:47.000 Yeah, it's very much like Hollywood.

00:49:47.000 Try getting somebody to say something bad about somebody else because you never know if they're going to be...

00:49:51.000 It's amazing.

00:49:52.000 It's the best script I've ever read.

00:49:53.000 It's the best script I've ever read.

00:49:54.000 Well, not only that, he's an amazing actor.

00:49:56.000 She's amazing.

00:49:57.000 Oh my God, Ghostbusters.

00:49:58.000 The new Ghostbusters is incredible.

00:50:00.000 Those girls are so strong. 1.00

00:50:01.000 They're such strong women.

00:50:03.000 That's my new thing.

00:50:03.000 It's amazing.

00:50:04.000 My new thing is the empowerment of women. 0.98

00:50:06.000 I love this new talk.

00:50:07.000 It's not new either.

00:50:09.000 She's totally empowered.

00:50:10.000 She's totally embraced her nudity.

00:50:13.000 Oh God.

00:50:13.000 She's bending over and arching her back and licking her lips.

00:50:16.000 She's so empowered. 0.99

00:50:17.000 She's brave because she's naked and fat. 0.72

00:50:19.000 She's so brave.

00:50:22.000 All right.

00:50:24.000 If she was brave, she'd get up at 4 o'clock in the morning and hit the gym before she went to the set.

00:50:27.000 She wouldn't be fat anymore. 0.74

00:50:28.000 People are angry at that Melissa McCarthy woman. 1.00

00:50:31.000 They're angry that she's losing weight.

00:50:33.000 Do you understand this?

00:50:34.000 I love it.

00:50:34.000 They're angry that she's choosing to become healthy.

00:50:37.000 So they're saying this is in direct contrast to who she was before, who we loved, is this fucking cartoonish fat lady. 1.00

00:50:44.000 And this cartoonish fat lady who we want to pretend is healthy. 1.00

00:50:47.000 You know, there's a fucking slew of people out there that have blogs out there talking about different things that are healthy about being fat. 0.97

00:50:56.000 And I went down a rabbit hole one night because some woman was writing, she was this obese woman, and I was really sad when I was looking at her photos and... 0.98

00:51:04.000 You know, people like to highlight things that people say about them on social media and, you know, like, you know, all these people are harassing her for being fat. 1.00

00:51:11.000 But she's putting out a blog, right?

00:51:12.000 When you're putting yourself out there and you're putting a blog, you're just gonna...

00:51:15.000 You put some honey out there, you're gonna attract a certain amount of bugs.

00:51:18.000 There's just no way around that, right?

00:51:20.000 But she was talking about...

00:51:22.000 Different aspects of being overweight that are healthy.

00:51:26.000 And this is one weird phenomenon where healthy people that catch a disease sometimes don't do as well as fat people that have the same disease.

00:51:39.000 In the old days they said you should have some weight on you in case you get a disease and you can fight it better.

00:51:43.000 That was always the case.

00:51:44.000 What is that?

00:51:45.000 How could that be true?

00:51:46.000 I guess because maybe, and this is bro science, but from what I remember reading, your fat can actually absorb or store more, I don't know, or you have reserves when you're not eating and stuff.

00:52:02.000 Your body will use the fatty acids for energy.

00:52:04.000 Well, that makes sense.

00:52:05.000 So your body gets in this state of burning fat rather than burning food.

00:52:09.000 And many times when people are sick, that's a huge issue.

00:52:13.000 It's coming up with some form of energy.

00:52:15.000 My Italian relatives, you know, the Sicilian side back in the day, I remember if somebody was too skinny, they would say, you know, be careful.

00:52:24.000 If you get sick, you know, you'll die.

00:52:26.000 Well, it totally makes sense.

00:52:28.000 But that doesn't mean it's healthy to be fat. 0.99

00:52:30.000 It just means it's a reserve policy in case you get a fucking catastrophic disease. 0.99

00:52:35.000 But you're also more likely to get that catastrophic disease if you're fat. 0.99

00:52:39.000 So it's such a catch-22.

00:52:41.000 This book by Gary Taub I just love called Why We Get Fat and What to Do About It.

00:52:46.000 And he traces the genealogy of the obesity epidemic.

00:52:49.000 And he goes all the way back to the 30s in New York City.

00:52:52.000 And he looks at how ineffective all these obesity clinics and even the signs of obesity has been.

00:52:59.000 It's been so difficult because a lot of times they treated it like it was a psychological disease, like you eat too much, so you'd go to a psychiatrist.

00:53:07.000 Or they would put you on these very restrictive diets, 1200 calories a day, and you would lose weight, but at the end of the day you'd descend.

00:53:14.000 Also, your body gets into this state of panic where it tries to store energy really quickly because it's worried that you're in a famine state.

00:53:22.000 So what he traces and he looks at the Native Americans that had to sort of get on government rations when their land was taken and they all blew up like balloons because they were given white flour.

00:53:31.000 And the thesis of the book is essentially that when you eat simple carbohydrates and a lot of carbohydrates, especially things like white flour and sugar, your body produces a lot of insulin and for a whole bunch of metabolic reasons, It's insulin that causes you to retain fat molecules and need more sugar for energy.

00:53:50.000 And he does a really great job in the book of explaining it.

00:53:53.000 But that sort of, you know, when you look at it that way and when you look at the fact that it's just a question of changing what you put into your body...

00:54:03.000 You know, you will then eventually have this keto diet, for example.

00:54:08.000 It's a really good way to lose weight and not have to restrict your calories.

00:54:12.000 It just is.

00:54:12.000 Now, I don't know if it's for everybody.

00:54:14.000 I don't think there is a single diet that's for everybody.

00:54:17.000 I don't either.

00:54:18.000 People's bodies are different.

00:54:19.000 Obviously, people have different allergies to foods or allergies to all sorts of things.

00:54:24.000 That's a great indication that there's so much biological diversity.

00:54:28.000 So many people have genetics that have come from all sorts of different parts of the world.

00:54:33.000 All sorts of different environments that we evolved from.

00:54:36.000 There's no one single diet for everybody.

00:54:39.000 But obesity is fairly recent only because when people started eating that much sugar.

00:54:44.000 I think that's universal.

00:54:46.000 It is.

00:54:47.000 There's nothing wrong with eating a certain amount of carbs and breads and pastas, but it is universal that massive amounts of sugar are bad for you.

00:54:54.000 I don't think there's any question anymore scientifically.

00:54:57.000 But one of the things that's hard for very fat people, obese people, who have trouble with this, who may have gotten caught into that pattern as kids, and it's very true that some people genetically do put weight on, they don't process carbs the way other people do.

00:55:10.000 Like, I can eat carbs all day and stay very thin.

00:55:13.000 Some people just can't do that.

00:55:14.000 But for a long time...

00:55:16.000 But you're very active.

00:55:16.000 I'm very active.

00:55:17.000 But for a long time, what I'm saying is that there's always been and still is a stigma, which is you're fat, which means you are of weak character or you have a faulty character. 1.00

00:55:27.000 And that's why they take so much shit. 0.98

00:55:29.000 Whereas Gary Taubin's book said a lot of it was just the fact that people didn't know how the body worked. 0.99

00:55:35.000 And a lot of this information came out in Germany before the war.

00:55:38.000 There were these Austrian and German scientists that were really closing in on what insulin does to make you gain weight.

00:55:44.000 But guess what?

00:55:45.000 When the war was over, No American scientists were going to use German data.

00:55:50.000 It was kind of like, no, we'll come up with our own data.

00:55:52.000 We used their rocket data.

00:55:53.000 We did use their rocket data. 0.96

00:55:55.000 We fucking scooped up all their... 0.99

00:55:56.000 Operation Paperclip, we scooped up all their fucking rocket scientists and made them Americans. 1.00

00:56:02.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:56:02.000 There's a fucking thing about Wernher von Braun being a great American. 0.99

00:56:06.000 And, like, Wernher von Braun was a fucking Nazi. 0.99

00:56:08.000 The guy who ran the NASA space program was a straight-up Nazi who the Simon Wiesenthal Center said if he was alive today, they would prosecute him for crimes against humanity. 1.00

00:56:19.000 Damn, I didn't know that. 0.99

00:56:20.000 Yep. 1.00

00:56:20.000 They hung the five slowest workers every day at his fucking rocket factory in Berlin. 1.00

00:56:25.000 Sweet, guys. 1.00

00:56:26.000 They hung Jews. 1.00

00:56:27.000 They hung them in the front of the fucking rocket factory to encourage the workers to work faster. 1.00

00:56:32.000 One of the things that they say... 0.99

00:56:33.000 This is, by the way, coming directly from people who are still alive who worked in that factory with tattoos on their arm.

00:56:39.000 I believe it.

00:56:39.000 I don't even think that's a point of conjecture.

00:56:42.000 But how crazy is it that we just scooped up all those monsters? 1.00

00:56:46.000 Like, hey, you monsters are really good at fucking shooting metal dicks into the sky. 1.00

00:56:51.000 Let's come over here. 0.99

00:56:53.000 But we also scooped up a lot of...

00:56:58.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:57:12.000 Said, let's get the fuck out of here and go to the UK and go to the United States. 0.99

00:57:18.000 Well, you know the horrible tragedy of Fritz Haber. 0.99

00:57:20.000 You know the Haber method?

00:57:22.000 The Haber method...

00:57:23.000 It's an incredible story.

00:57:24.000 The guy figured out a way to extract nitrogen from the air.

00:57:28.000 And it's one of the...

00:57:29.000 They say today that there's a fantastic Radiolab podcast on this.

00:57:34.000 I think it's called The Bad Show.

00:57:37.000 I think that's what it's called.

00:57:39.000 Because they did a good show and a bad show.

00:57:42.000 I think that's what it's called.

00:57:43.000 And what they just showed is that sometimes, and we've all known this, sometimes people that have done horrible, horrible things are also amazing at something that benefits a lot of folks.

00:57:53.000 And this is one of them.

00:57:55.000 Classic example.

00:57:56.000 Fritz Haber figured out this way to extract nitrogen from the air.

00:58:00.000 And the nitrogen in our bodies today, they estimate that some 50...

00:58:04.000 And nitrogen, what they use it for is fertilizer.

00:58:07.000 And for the longest time...

00:58:07.000 Ammonia, right?

00:58:08.000 Yeah, for the longest time they used to have to get like dead fish or mulch or something like that, compost.

00:58:13.000 And in fact, bat guano.

00:58:14.000 Yeah, bat guano was a big one. 0.99

00:58:16.000 Literally bat shit crazy was like because people would have wars over bat shit. 0.99

00:58:22.000 Isn't that nuts? 1.00

00:58:23.000 I didn't know that, but that's exactly right.

00:58:24.000 Yeah, that's what it is. 1.00

00:58:25.000 There was fucking wars over bat shit. 1.00

00:58:28.000 Because that's how you grew your food. 1.00

00:58:29.000 And people would starve during the winter because they didn't know how to get that nitrogen into the soil.

00:58:34.000 And Fritz Haber is literally credited with stopping mass-scale starvation.

00:58:41.000 But then there's The other side.

00:58:43.000 The other side.

00:58:43.000 Well, they said that today, the nitrogen in our bodies, 50% of it came from the Haber Method.

00:58:48.000 There you go.

00:58:49.000 All the people today.

00:58:50.000 Yeah.

00:58:50.000 Like, literally, he's responsible for a massive increase in the population of this world.

00:58:55.000 Mm-hmm. 0.99

00:58:55.000 But he also was the guy that fucking used gas in war for the first time. 0.99

00:59:00.000 Not only that, he personally oversaw it. 0.99

00:59:02.000 He went to the front lines and was- Well, it started with, it started with, he was working on insecticides, right?

00:59:08.000 Yeah.

00:59:08.000 Which, by the way, is what Zyklon B, which was used to gas the Jews.

00:59:13.000 Well, he came up with Zyklon A. Exactly.

00:59:15.000 And Zyklon A had a smell attached to it so that you could know what it was and get the fuck away from it.

00:59:20.000 Whereas Zyklon B, the Nazis, extracted the smell. 0.77

00:59:23.000 Exactly.

00:59:23.000 Meanwhile, Haber was a Jew.

00:59:25.000 So what a fucking crazy conundrum that guy found himself where his own relatives died directly from an invention that he created. 0.99

00:59:34.000 It's incredible. 0.98

00:59:35.000 And you know, also, if you take a sympathetic approach to a man who was a patriot, he was a patriot.

00:59:41.000 His country was at war.

00:59:43.000 He had benefited from this country.

00:59:45.000 He had a legacy in this country.

00:59:47.000 He had standing in this country.

00:59:49.000 And his country was under direct threat.

00:59:51.000 And he said, I think I know a way to help this war effort so we can stop the enemy.

00:59:56.000 And you know, we should all, again, it's not what you think, it's how you think.

01:00:00.000 We should all put ourselves in his shoes. 0.98

01:00:03.000 If I had a way, and I think I'm right about that, if I had a way as an American, as Brian Callen, To save my country from people I thought were going to actually take it over or kill a bunch of people, including my family, I'm going to gas the fuck out of them if I can invent a technique. 0.99

01:00:19.000 I'm going to gas them and I'm going to come up with a way to shoot a rocket at them. 0.99

01:00:24.000 So if that makes me a bad person, call me Fritz. 0.93

01:00:26.000 Well, isn't it crazy, though, that this guy was literally receiving the Nobel Prize for the Haber Method at the same time for being wanted for crimes against humanity.

01:00:37.000 As a war criminal.

01:00:37.000 For a war criminal.

01:00:38.000 But the same people that wanted to try him for war crimes dropped nuclear fucking bombs on two cities in Japan. 0.99

01:00:46.000 Like, what is a war crime? 0.99

01:00:48.000 Like, when you're killing people.

01:00:50.000 Like, oh, you killed people the wrong way.

01:00:52.000 Like, we have rules.

01:00:53.000 You can't kill people like that.

01:00:54.000 Curtis LeMay, who oversaw, I believe, the firebombing of Tokyo.

01:01:01.000 This is before the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs.

01:01:05.000 Yes.

01:01:05.000 This is the firebombs, which, by the way, killed more people, did more destruction.

01:01:09.000 I mean, everybody concentrates on the two events, Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

01:01:14.000 Firebombing was, I mean, what we did to Dresden. 0.73

01:01:17.000 What we did to the Allies, really. 0.91

01:01:19.000 It was the British and the Americans. 0.73

01:01:21.000 But, I mean, Dresden looked like the surface of the moon.

01:01:24.000 You know, Kurt Vonnegut, I think, in the book Slaughterhouse-Five talks about this in vivid detail.

01:01:30.000 But look at just YouTube, Dresden before and after.

01:01:33.000 Jimmy, bring up Dresden.

01:01:35.000 Jimmy?

01:01:35.000 Jimmy, I said.

01:01:37.000 You said Jimmy, right?

01:01:38.000 Dresden before and after the firebombing.

01:01:40.000 But Curtis LeMay, I think in a period of eight days in Tokyo, I mean, one million people died from fire.

01:01:46.000 And Curtis LeMay said, war is the business of killing people, and if I had been on the losing side, I'd probably be tried as a war criminal.

01:01:54.000 And if you see Curtis LeMay, he's always chewing a cigar, and he was the commander, and he was the one who made those decisions.

01:02:00.000 And he said, we're going to punish the German workers.

01:02:02.000 There are real pictures, though.

01:02:04.000 Look at that.

01:02:04.000 What is this?

01:02:05.000 This is what it looked like before?

01:02:06.000 Dresden was a jewel.

01:02:08.000 It was a jewel.

01:02:09.000 It was a beautiful city.

01:02:10.000 What is it like post? 1.00

01:02:12.000 Like the surface of the fucking moon. 0.99

01:02:14.000 You'll see. 0.99

01:02:16.000 Do they have videos of it then, Jamie?

01:02:18.000 This is all...

01:02:19.000 This is before and after the Allied bombing.

01:02:21.000 I don't know why.

01:02:22.000 It's just pictures.

01:02:23.000 Yeah, see if you can find some photos.

01:02:25.000 Some actual photos.

01:02:26.000 Beautiful Dresden ruins after the Allied bombing.

01:02:29.000 Whoa.

01:02:29.000 But this is drawings.

01:02:30.000 It was way worse than that.

01:02:31.000 No, that's a real photograph.

01:02:32.000 Oh, that's a photo.

01:02:33.000 Yeah, there you go.

01:02:34.000 That's what it looked like.

01:02:35.000 Oh, my God.

01:02:35.000 That's what it looked like.

01:02:37.000 Oh, my God.

01:02:37.000 All of it.

01:02:38.000 All of it.

01:02:39.000 And they talk about the survivors who were just walking around the city that had been standing for 700 years or something crazy. 0.99

01:02:45.000 God damn. 0.97

01:02:45.000 And it was no longer. 0.97

01:02:46.000 How did anybody survive this?

01:02:48.000 They didn't.

01:02:49.000 In fact, people were falling down.

01:02:51.000 Whoa, look at that.

01:02:52.000 Those are bodies?

01:02:52.000 Yes.

01:02:53.000 People were falling down.

01:02:56.000 They were falling down because the oxygen was sucked out of the air.

01:03:00.000 From the fire.

01:03:00.000 So you'd be on the street and you would just fall down.

01:03:03.000 Because there's no air.

01:03:04.000 Yes, or there'd be a bomb and the people would open their shutters, stick their head out, and the aftershock would take their heads off.

01:03:09.000 Whoa! 0.71

01:03:11.000 We're very lucky, very lucky we didn't live at this time. 0.99

01:03:14.000 Jesus Christ, what a fucking strange thing. 0.99

01:03:18.000 It was an apocalypse. 0.99

01:03:19.000 Giant scale war is like that and and Europe what was it was it? 0.53

01:03:25.000 50 million people at the end of World War two that were dead maybe as many as 80 million put that into context and that from those ashes from these experiments like fascism and The idea that you can perfect human beings and perfect society and create utopias from those experiments Came ash and 80 million graves,

01:03:49.000 and so...

01:03:50.000 Well, kinda sorta, right?

01:03:51.000 Kinda sorta.

01:03:52.000 I mean, the idea, like, if you just wanted to improve upon human beings without killing people that you thought were inferior, if you just wanted to create the ubermunch without making everybody else die, But you need to re-educate.

01:04:07.000 So re-education camps that Pol Pot would put people in. 0.88

01:04:10.000 You had to be marched to the countryside because he was creating an agrarian utopia. 0.93

01:04:15.000 But why does it always have to...

01:04:17.000 Why does any beneficial act?

01:04:19.000 Like the idea of creating better people.

01:04:22.000 We would all like a better society with better people.

01:04:24.000 I mean, if we all had a world where everybody had perfect genetics and nobody had to worry about fat shaming.

01:04:29.000 Nobody had to worry about not being attractive.

01:04:32.000 Nobody had...

01:04:33.000 But that's not good.

01:04:34.000 The problem is, like, the stress and the anxiety of being a dork, and the stress of being bullied, and that's where diamonds come from.

01:04:45.000 Like, it's not good to bully someone.

01:04:48.000 It's not good to take advantage of someone.

01:04:51.000 It's not good to make someone's life hell.

01:04:55.000 But a lot of times, that's where you get a Marvin Gaye.

01:04:58.000 Of course.

01:04:58.000 You know, you get these jewels of art.

01:05:01.000 You know, you get these people that come out of these horrible environments, and they have this power to them.

01:05:07.000 But you have to create, you're right, you still have to create some respite.

01:05:12.000 You know, the great Matthew Arnold who said that the United States is the land of stock market and big guns and powerful, you know, and agrarians that can feed the world.

01:05:23.000 It's also the land of What he also said, I was going to say, he said, we have to always remember to create safe haven for our gentler spirits, our weirdos and people that think differently and act differently, because that's where you get Prince, Little Richard, Marilyn Manson, and all the things that make our culture interesting.

01:05:39.000 And that's a very important thing to keep in mind.

01:05:42.000 But again, look, when you talk about bombing and how we're getting better, think about for a second the methodology in our brain of how we, a lot of people, think of not only terrorism, and I'm guilty of this too, or even say something like cancer.

01:05:59.000 So if you have cancer, there's one method of treating it, and sometimes it works, which is there's a tumor, let's cut it out.

01:06:05.000 Let's cut the tumor out. 0.98

01:06:07.000 There's another method of treating it, which is diet and health and taking care of your body before it ever happens.

01:06:12.000 This is one of the things...

01:06:13.000 So you're talking now about the duality, is what I'm saying, is that we fall sometimes into the mindset that every problem can be cut out and removed, right?

01:06:23.000 Instead of saying...

01:06:24.000 Prevention.

01:06:25.000 What you just said, what you just said is there's another, there might be another tact.

01:06:29.000 In every issue.

01:06:31.000 So when we talk about the bad guys, and we talk about we have to...

01:06:36.000 And listen, there's a place and a time to take out the bad guys.

01:06:41.000 There's no question.

01:06:42.000 Of course.

01:06:43.000 But we have to be careful that we don't fall into...

01:06:47.000 One way of thinking and one way of dealing with what we consider threats, right?

01:06:53.000 Right.

01:06:53.000 Because we could make the problem worse.

01:06:56.000 And instead, sometimes we might want to say, maybe this time, maybe this is a problem that doesn't require cutting and radiation and, you know, removing.

01:07:07.000 Maybe it's what you just said.

01:07:08.000 Maybe we should approach it systemically from a different angle that's not as violent, not as physical.

01:07:16.000 Right.

01:07:16.000 Yeah.

01:07:17.000 Well, there's also the problem of the charismatic leader.

01:07:20.000 And there's also a problem of people wanting to be a part of a team.

01:07:23.000 Like you were talking about if you could gas the people that are a threat to the United States.

01:07:28.000 But who are those people?

01:07:29.000 They're just people.

01:07:30.000 The idea that somehow or another someone who lives in Italy, who I've never met, is against me.

01:07:37.000 Someone who lives in the United States who they've never met.

01:07:40.000 That's preposterous.

01:07:41.000 We just don't know each other.

01:07:42.000 Yeah.

01:07:42.000 And when you get, by the way, when I was in Italy, one of the weirdest fucking things about it, and I've never been there before, so I don't know, but the people that were there were describing to me how everything has changed.

01:07:53.000 I was talking to this one cab driver, he was a really interesting guy, and he was, we were commenting, I was asking him about, everywhere you look, they have these Land Rover Defenders that are in camo with these military people standing out there with fucking machine guns. 0.96

01:08:06.000 Everywhere. 0.96

01:08:07.000 Everywhere.

01:08:08.000 And I said, is this normal?

01:08:10.000 And he said, no.

01:08:12.000 He said, this is the new way.

01:08:14.000 He's like, the world is changing.

01:08:16.000 He said, this is not a good world.

01:08:18.000 He said, this is not good.

01:08:19.000 And I said, so this is a direct response to the terrorist threats and the things that have been happening in Paris.

01:08:23.000 He goes, yes, yes, yes.

01:08:25.000 He goes, they don't want it to happen here.

01:08:27.000 So all the places where there was tourists, whether it was the Vatican, whether it was the Colosseum, you saw these camouflaged Land Rover defenders and these public displays of guns.

01:08:37.000 And a woman. 0.52

01:08:38.000 I saw a woman. 1.00

01:08:39.000 I was thinking about punching her and taking her gun. 1.00

01:08:40.000 I was like, I think I can. 1.00

01:08:42.000 Some of those women are no joke. 1.00

01:08:43.000 I don't think so.

01:08:44.000 I got it.

01:08:45.000 They're trained to react quickly.

01:08:46.000 That's my gun.

01:08:47.000 That's my gun.

01:08:47.000 She's holding it.

01:08:48.000 That's my gun.

01:08:49.000 Obviously, I'm kidding. 0.94

01:08:50.000 But it is weird to see these people that are standing out there holding guns, and they had fucking very serious looks on their face. 0.56

01:08:58.000 They're scanning the crowd, looking left and looking right, and a lot of Middle Eastern people there. 0.99

01:09:02.000 A lot of fucking people dressed up like beekeepers. 1.00

01:09:05.000 A lot of poor ladies with gloves on and ninja masks, and I was like, what in the fuck? 1.00

01:09:11.000 2016, and you got people wandering the streets of one of the greatest cities in the world. 0.99

01:09:16.000 And a liberal democracy. 0.99

01:09:18.000 Fucking mad. 0.98

01:09:19.000 That talks about giving people their own sovereignty on what they wear. 0.99

01:09:23.000 Yeah, and all the women, Italian women, dress like... 1.00

01:09:26.000 Holes.

01:09:26.000 Yeah, they're beautiful.

01:09:27.000 Holes! 1.00

01:09:28.000 Looking for dick? 1.00

01:09:28.000 Holes! 1.00

01:09:29.000 Well, they're just very...

01:09:30.000 I consider they dress...

01:09:31.000 They're minimalists.

01:09:31.000 Excuse me, sir.

01:09:32.000 They're minimalists and they know how to...

01:09:34.000 I'm a fan.

01:09:34.000 I'm a fan of hoes.

01:09:35.000 Oh, yeah.

01:09:35.000 Did you see what happened in France over the weekend?

01:09:38.000 This man stabbed a woman and her three children at a resort for being scantily dressed. 0.86

01:09:45.000 This Muslim man. 1.00

01:09:47.000 What in the fuck, man? 1.00

01:09:49.000 Well, it's such a bankrupt philosophy, if you can even call it that. 1.00

01:09:56.000 Ideology.

01:09:57.000 It's an ideology. 1.00

01:09:58.000 I'm going to kill you. 1.00

01:10:00.000 You talk about people who are caught in a trap, this ISIS ideology. 1.00

01:10:04.000 Talk about being caught in a pathway.

01:10:06.000 This guy wasn't ISIS. He wasn't an ISIS guy.

01:10:09.000 He was just some radical Muslim. 0.98

01:10:11.000 Someone who deeply believes what he's been taught, his ideology so powerful that he's willing to stab an eight-year-old kid in the lungs. 1.00

01:10:20.000 This poor fucking kid had a collapse. 1.00

01:10:21.000 A little girl. 1.00

01:10:22.000 A little girl because she was wearing a beach outfit.

01:10:24.000 Jesus Christ.

01:10:25.000 Well, this is a guy... 0.99

01:10:26.000 It sounds like he might have been mentally ill or... 1.00

01:10:29.000 But the guy who fucking drove all those people in Nice. 1.00

01:10:31.000 That happened while I was there. 0.98

01:10:32.000 Is that how you say it?

01:10:32.000 Yes, Nice.

01:10:33.000 That happened while I was there.

01:10:35.000 Well, this is the other thing is, again, not only do they do that because they're fanatical, they think they're actually gonna change something and make the world a better place by behaving in this mad fashion, by killing children.

01:10:50.000 In some way, they might, because they're gonna unleash the Jocko Willinks in the world. 0.99

01:10:53.000 We're gonna go out there and they're gonna fucking kill people like this. 0.99

01:10:56.000 Yeah, that's right. 1.00

01:10:56.000 They're gonna fucking get people to the point where they lose all tolerance. 1.00

01:11:01.000 Well, I'm getting to that point, and I'm pretty tolerant, and I'm getting to that point. 0.99

01:11:05.000 And here's the thing about when you think about ISIS. So I was talking to my buddy who's a CIA guy.

01:11:10.000 You know, he's a Delta guy.

01:11:11.000 He's one of these real kind of guys who's in there and does all the dirty work.

01:11:16.000 And he said, I said, you know, why don't we just bomb their strongholds? 0.98

01:11:22.000 Well, you make them martyrs. 0.97

01:11:23.000 Well, no.

01:11:23.000 He also said, he said...

01:11:25.000 You have to understand that that's not like they're all camped out in one area.

01:11:29.000 They're in a town the size of, let's say, Baltimore, and they have safe houses, but for the most part, they're all over that place.

01:11:36.000 But more importantly, as ISIS fighters die, what they do is they come to families that are peace-loving families, and they say, listen, we need to conscript your son.

01:11:48.000 And your two other sons right there.

01:11:49.000 They now belong to ISIS. Now you can say no and die or you can bring them over for the cause because you better be down for the cause. 0.97

01:11:57.000 Is that what's going on?

01:11:57.000 That's what's going on now.

01:11:59.000 Where is this happening?

01:12:00.000 What part of the world?

01:12:00.000 In Syria, in Iraq, in those places where they have strongholds.

01:12:04.000 But a lot of people are joining voluntarily.

01:12:07.000 Yes, yes they are.

01:12:08.000 Including European women. 1.00

01:12:10.000 Have you seen this crazy shit where girls are going from England and they're joining ISIS? Yeah. 1.00

01:12:14.000 They're also getting wholesale just destroyed. 1.00

01:12:19.000 They're just fucking dying. 0.99

01:12:20.000 And now ISIS is trying to support the families of the martyrs, and they're running out of money. 1.00

01:12:26.000 So they're losing the physical battle, but the ideology is always going to inspire fuckfaces like this guy who kills children. 0.99

01:12:36.000 And I think in that case, you do need a strong presence and people willing to shoot those people before they do what they do. 0.99

01:12:42.000 It's really hard to prevent them. 0.93

01:12:44.000 Well, it's hard to prevent crazy people.

01:12:46.000 And the word crazy is not the right word. 0.96

01:12:48.000 It's hard to prevent evil psychopaths.

01:12:51.000 It's hard to prevent people like...

01:12:54.000 I mean, forget religious ideology. 0.99

01:12:55.000 The guy who fucking shot up those people in the movie theater in Colorado. 0.99

01:12:59.000 It's hard to prevent that. 1.00

01:13:01.000 It's hard to...

01:13:02.000 I mean, that happened more than once, right?

01:13:04.000 I mean, how many times people...

01:13:05.000 Didn't someone get shot up in Amy Schumer's movie?

01:13:08.000 Weren't there people that went to see Trainwreck?

01:13:12.000 That was right, right?

01:13:13.000 Yeah, because she was upset about that.

01:13:16.000 What do you think is the answer?

01:13:17.000 Oh, that's a good question.

01:13:18.000 Is the answer, this is a little bit radical, but is the answer, let all of us carry a gun?

01:13:25.000 How are you going to stop that truck with a gun?

01:13:27.000 I don't know.

01:13:28.000 The trucks are more dangerous than guns. 1.00

01:13:30.000 You know, it's fucked up. 0.99

01:13:31.000 I kind of predicted that truck attack during the Steven Crowder podcast, and I didn't even realize I did it. 0.99

01:13:38.000 Somebody posted on the internet a clip of it.

01:13:41.000 Like, what's to stop someone?

01:13:43.000 Because we were talking about gun control. 0.99

01:13:44.000 And I'm like, the problem is mentally insane people that are willing to kill people. 0.99

01:13:48.000 And they can do it in a lot of ways, man. 1.00

01:13:50.000 And I was like, what's to stop someone from taking a car and driving through a fucking crowd of people? 0.98

01:13:54.000 There's not much you can do about it. 1.00

01:13:56.000 But you can shoot them in the face so that they die in the car. 1.00

01:14:00.000 Maybe. 1.00

01:14:01.000 If you get lucky and hit them, you know how hard it is to shoot at someone when they're driving at you in a car? 0.69

01:14:06.000 It's hard to shoot a deer that's standing still. 1.00

01:14:08.000 No shit. 1.00

01:14:09.000 And you resting your gun on a rock. 1.00

01:14:11.000 But it's possible.

01:14:12.000 It's possible.

01:14:13.000 And I'd rather have that answer than have to run and scream with my kids. 0.98

01:14:17.000 I'd rather be able to stand my ground and fucking squeeze off six rounds in his direction. 0.98

01:14:23.000 And I really mean that. 0.98

01:14:24.000 No, there's an argument there.

01:14:26.000 And I think the argument against that, that you should not have that because you're more likely to kill someone in your family, that's not a great argument either.

01:14:35.000 I think on both sides, the real issue is mental health.

01:14:39.000 The real issue is inequality.

01:14:40.000 The real issue is people growing up.

01:14:42.000 And when I say inequality, I don't necessarily even mean rights.

01:14:45.000 I mean in the environment in which your soul is.

01:14:58.000 I was born in the Philippines, sir.

01:15:02.000 I lived overseas until I was 14 years old.

01:15:04.000 Keep going.

01:15:04.000 Barely one of us.

01:15:04.000 A lot of different countries.

01:15:05.000 That's where I get my edge.

01:15:07.000 But you got lucky.

01:15:08.000 You have a really nice family.

01:15:09.000 I got lucky.

01:15:10.000 Great family.

01:15:11.000 Nice people.

01:15:13.000 That's very fortunate. 1.00

01:15:14.000 If you were born in Iraq, or in Saudi Arabia, or in Afghanistan, or in any of these places where they're dealing with these ancient ideologies, you're fucked. 0.98

01:15:24.000 It's like there's a race, and the race is 30 miles long, and you're starting out at mile one, where some people are at mile 29. There's no way. 0.99

01:15:36.000 It's no way this is fair.

01:15:38.000 There's no way.

01:15:39.000 It's just not fair.

01:15:40.000 And there's got to be a way through either time or effort or just the sheer expression of ideas that permeate through this world.

01:15:52.000 Where slowly but surely things have to even out to the point where people realize the correct way to behave and treat people. 0.98

01:16:01.000 Look, you could say religious tolerance all you want, but when there's a fucking woman dressed like a ninja at the mall, that lady is not in a good place. 1.00

01:16:10.000 She's being forced to dress like that. 0.99

01:16:12.000 This is not her idea.

01:16:14.000 There's no way it is.

01:16:15.000 This is an idea that was stuck into her life when she was a small person.

01:16:20.000 And she grew up with that idea.

01:16:22.000 Now she's married to some guy who enforces that idea. 1.00

01:16:24.000 And this guy's walking around with a fucking golf shirt on. 1.00

01:16:26.000 And his wife's dressed like a ninja. 1.00

01:16:28.000 I mean, this is madness.

01:16:29.000 And I think that it makes their country weaker.

01:16:32.000 If you categorize and, you know, creates these sort of fencing around an entire...

01:16:40.000 Class of people and a gender if you take women and say you guys have to walk a little bit behind me You have we just know that that doesn't work. 0.97

01:16:48.000 You're wasting a lot of human potential Yes, a lot of people with ideas that can make the world a better place You also you're stifling the debate and the discussion look there's a lot of people that think different than me man a lot of people whether they're From different parts of the world or whether they have different likes or dislikes and they have different Art that they appreciate and I I like hearing their point of view There's a lot of people that I don't agree with what they're saying and I like to hear what they say there's Radical

01:17:19.000 feminists that I listen to their ideology and listen to what they're saying and I try to figure out where the fuck they're coming from and I try to figure out, okay, is this a direct response to something they've experienced in their life? 1.00

01:17:30.000 Like, how much of this has to deal with them being persecuted? 0.99

01:17:34.000 How much of what people say has to do with their direct experiences with the opposite sex?

01:17:43.000 At a bunch of feminists, right? 1.00

01:17:45.000 And some of them have pink hair, and they weigh 300 pounds, and you know life was not fucking awesome for them around men. 0.98

01:17:52.000 You just know it wasn't. 0.90

01:17:53.000 Well, how much of this anti-male sort of ideology that they're espousing, like how much of that comes from their direct experiences with men, and how different would it be if they grew up looking like Julia Roberts?

01:18:06.000 Right.

01:18:06.000 I mean, a lot.

01:18:08.000 There's a really good...

01:18:09.000 One of the things I do with my podcast, The Brian Callen Show now, is I do...

01:18:12.000 Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.

01:18:13.000 You have a podcast?

01:18:14.000 I have The Fighter and the Kid.

01:18:16.000 Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.

01:18:18.000 You've brought back The Brian Callen Show?

01:18:20.000 I do it once a week and I talk about a book.

01:18:22.000 How come I don't know about this?

01:18:23.000 I sent you one of them just for you to listen to because I did it with this guy, Hunter Motz.

01:18:28.000 Yeah, I don't listen to anything.

01:18:29.000 It was brilliant.

01:18:29.000 I'll just tell you right now.

01:18:31.000 I sent it to you like whatever.

01:18:33.000 I'm super busy.

01:18:35.000 I'm very, very busy.

01:18:36.000 But I had an amazing conversation with my buddy Hunter.

01:18:39.000 Amazing?

01:18:40.000 Like you can't believe it happened?

01:18:41.000 Or it was good?

01:18:42.000 My buddy Hunter is really good at reading everything and putting it into context where I can understand it.

01:18:48.000 You know what I mean?

01:18:48.000 He can create a useful...

01:18:50.000 He can turn it into a useful...

01:18:52.000 You know what I mean?

01:18:53.000 You can read a bunch of books, but you don't have to put it together. 0.99

01:18:55.000 This motherfucker can put it all together and contextualize it and everything else. 0.99

01:18:59.000 And we read this book... 1.00

01:19:00.000 We'll read a book and then talk about it.

01:19:01.000 So we read this book called The Secret of Their Success.

01:19:05.000 The Secret of Our Success by Joseph Henrich.

01:19:07.000 And the book is...

01:19:08.000 The theme of the book is basically this...

01:19:10.000 And it's to your point.

01:19:12.000 Human beings are smart because they borrow culture.

01:19:15.000 Human beings are smart because societies that excel have to be open and have to be open enough so that they can borrow the best things from other cultures.

01:19:26.000 So, for example, if you and I are put in the middle of the Arctic, Unless we find a bunch of Inuit, we're dead in about three days. 1.00

01:19:35.000 If you and I are in the Amazon, if you take an Inuit who can kick ass and find seal meat and everything else and put him in the Amazon, he doesn't have the culture. 1.00

01:19:44.000 Human beings survive and grow and excel because we are really good at learning from each other, borrowing ideas. 0.82

01:19:51.000 It's called the diffusion of innovation.

01:19:54.000 That's the most important thing.

01:19:56.000 And when you have societies that have these strong...

01:19:59.000 Rules and these strong ideologies that keep people essentially restricted, you are not going to have the free flow exchange of ideas.

01:20:10.000 Look at, for example, mixed martial arts.

01:20:13.000 Think about where martial arts has come once the Ultimate Fighting Championship and the Gracies created this crazy thing where everybody got to fight everybody else. 1.00

01:20:22.000 Pretty soon, everybody starts sharing secrets.

01:20:25.000 Everybody starts to kind of like go, well, this works, this doesn't work.

01:20:27.000 And you were putting it in an arena where you were actually, it was just a very open place.

01:20:31.000 It was a proven ground.

01:20:32.000 It was a proven ground.

01:20:33.000 And you could borrow ideas.

01:20:34.000 And people are, look at what they're doing now.

01:20:36.000 They're borrowing ideas.

01:20:37.000 The coach is here, I have this idea.

01:20:39.000 Wrestlers learn submissions and kickboxing and all that stuff.

01:20:41.000 That's how societies, that's how innovation happens.

01:20:45.000 That's the best way to get ideas to move forward.

01:20:48.000 And again, the problem with this sort of countries that are restrictive, like Russia, like Saudi Arabia, with these strong sort of either cultures of power or cultures of religion, is that they create It's a very difficult atmosphere,

01:21:05.000 not only to be open with your ideas, but to benefit from your ideas.

01:21:11.000 You are not going to start a company like Apple in Russia when you know that the government, like Putin or whoever, could take it anytime they want.

01:21:21.000 Where would be the incentive of that?

01:21:23.000 I'm going to work for 20 years.

01:21:24.000 Well, you'd have to be buddies with Putin.

01:21:26.000 Exactly.

01:21:26.000 And then you might be able to pull it off.

01:21:27.000 But you will never do it in Saudi Arabia.

01:21:29.000 Now it's an economy of influence.

01:21:30.000 Right.

01:21:30.000 Not a meritocracy.

01:21:31.000 Let me ask you this, because this is kind of an interesting thought that's going through my head.

01:21:35.000 Do you think that one of the things that's going on today that just really wasn't going on...

01:21:41.000 I mean, in the 70s you had...

01:21:43.000 The Iran hostage crisis with Jimmy Carter and all that jazz.

01:21:48.000 But if you really go back and think about what that was all about, and if you really look at the history of the United States intervention in the Middle East, it was really about controlling resources, controlling natural resources.

01:22:00.000 Also controlling Soviet influence.

01:22:01.000 Yeah, controlling Soviet influence.

01:22:02.000 But that was also about resources, too, because they were trying to...

01:22:05.000 The Mujahideen, they were trying to control Afghanistan, and they wanted to get the natural gas pipelines.

01:22:09.000 And there's a lot of it that deals with monopolizing natural resources and the amount of money that you can get from there.

01:22:15.000 And then also the amount of natural resources that could be used to strengthen military regimes.

01:22:22.000 There's a lot of control issues in that.

01:22:24.000 But you didn't have the kind of terrorist activity...

01:22:29.000 That you're having today, which also coincides with the freedom and expression of ideas and information at an unprecedented rate that we're all experiencing today.

01:22:39.000 And the areas where this is not true, the areas where the freedom of expression and the tolerance of ideas...

01:22:46.000 I mean, if you look at the United States, there's some nonsense that's going on today with political correctness, and there's some complete The left that's taken so far left that it almost becomes right because they're just completely...

01:23:01.000 Controlling.

01:23:02.000 Not just controlling, but so infatuated with the idea of enforcing their version of what...

01:23:12.000 Equality is.

01:23:13.000 Equality is and what life is on everybody else that it becomes this like...

01:23:17.000 Tyrannical.

01:23:18.000 Very tyrannical.

01:23:19.000 But the point is...

01:23:21.000 This is the West.

01:23:24.000 I mean, this is where we are.

01:23:25.000 We are in the real marketplace of ideas.

01:23:28.000 This is the boiling point of all these ideas where things are changing at this radical rate.

01:23:33.000 And this is the world that is also being attacked.

01:23:39.000 And really being opposed by this completely constricted world that really doesn't feel like it has a chance.

01:23:46.000 Like, this world is trying desperately to cling to these old ways.

01:23:50.000 I mean, if you look at what ISIS is, they are desperately trying to cling to these ancient religious ideologies that were established in a way that does not allow for the even exchange of ideas and information.

01:24:05.000 And this new way is also attached, of course, to the military-industrial complex.

01:24:14.000 It's also attached to the idea that there's hundreds of different military bases in hundreds of different countries where we're in control of massive amounts of people's safety.

01:24:24.000 Always has been.

01:24:25.000 There hasn't been in the rest of the world.

01:24:26.000 You know, terrorism, by the way, in the 70s, and I remember being in Rome Airport, they had plenty of guys with machine guns because of the Red Brigade.

01:24:34.000 There was communist terrorism.

01:24:35.000 There was Palestinian terrorism back then a great deal.

01:24:38.000 When they killed the people at the Olympics, Munich.

01:24:39.000 Yeah.

01:24:40.000 There was always terrorism.

01:24:41.000 But a much smaller scale than today.

01:24:44.000 Much smaller.

01:24:44.000 I don't know about that.

01:24:45.000 I don't know if that's true because terrorism was...

01:24:49.000 Terrorism...

01:24:50.000 There was never anything like ISIS before.

01:24:52.000 No, there wasn't.

01:24:53.000 This is a new thing.

01:24:55.000 But this really powerful appearance.

01:24:58.000 But I have to stop you for a second.

01:25:00.000 Because when you say there wasn't anything like ISIS, you're right. 0.70

01:25:03.000 But, for example, in Indonesia, which was essentially an American ally, Indonesia had...

01:25:12.000 Take a look at how many people in one year died during the communist purge, and I think it was 1965. By many accounts, there were probably one million people, most of whom were Sort of take the commando oxy.

01:25:29.000 They were the sort of civilian conscripts that the military kind of recruited and said, find us the communists in your villages.

01:25:37.000 And they were marched down to the river. 0.63

01:25:40.000 They had their heads chopped off.

01:25:41.000 And by many accounts, almost a million quote-unquote communists in a period of about a year in Indonesia were slaughtered.

01:25:51.000 Let's take...

01:25:52.000 These are all related, but my point is...

01:25:56.000 What I'm trying to get at is, I wonder if what is going on now is almost the same thing that's going on with a two-party system.

01:26:03.000 It's an us versus them thing, but it's combined with the us, which is what's going on in the Western world. 0.76

01:26:10.000 I mean, obviously the Western world has plenty of problems.

01:26:13.000 But one thing the Western world has pretty clearly is the even exchange of information and ideas.

01:26:18.000 You might not agree with these ideas, and there's a problem with that as well.

01:26:23.000 But you have access to them.

01:26:25.000 You have access to them.

01:26:26.000 And this access is like, well, that's one of the things that's going on with Twitter.

01:26:29.000 And I don't know if you know about this, but Milo Yiannopoulos, you know who he is?

01:26:33.000 Yeah, he got it.

01:26:33.000 He got banned from Twitter for writing a bad review about Ghostbusters, which essentially confirms what he said about the regressive left, is that they're trying to stifle ideas.

01:26:44.000 And then they're saying that he's responsible for the harassment of Leslie Jones, which is horrible. 0.99

01:26:52.000 She's a fucking comedian, man. 1.00

01:26:54.000 She's also great. 0.99

01:26:55.000 I love her.

01:26:55.000 She's great.

01:26:55.000 She's funny as shit, man.

01:26:58.000 But also, this is just trolls. 0.99

01:27:00.000 You're always going to have trolls, but he didn't do that.

01:27:03.000 He didn't...

01:27:03.000 I mean, he's not responsible for...

01:27:05.000 He didn't, like, sick them.

01:27:06.000 He wasn't the catalyst or the...

01:27:08.000 Yeah.

01:27:08.000 But...

01:27:09.000 What he did was make an incredible amount of sense when he was describing that you cannot make fun of this movie, you cannot criticize this movie, if you do, you're labeled a misogynist. 0.97

01:27:20.000 And he talked about how preposterous this movie is, that these women are all out kicking ass, and every man in the movie is a buffoon, and the women don't have any negative traits or qualities at all. 0.76

01:27:29.000 They're super powerful and super awesome and hilarious, and the humor is non-existent because they put them in this restrictive box. 0.95

01:27:36.000 He got banned from Twitter for that?

01:27:37.000 He got banned from Twitter for this.

01:27:39.000 Well, they're blaming him on the harassment that Leslie experienced.

01:27:43.000 He incited the...

01:27:44.000 Well, they didn't incite anything.

01:27:46.000 He made a provocative article about a piece of art.

01:27:50.000 And that's what that movie is, a piece of art.

01:27:52.000 So they are guilty of censorship in the worst way.

01:27:56.000 Well, what they're doing is they're stifling ideas they don't agree with.

01:27:59.000 And they've decided that... 0.92

01:28:01.000 Twitter established some weird fucking thing called the Trust and Security Council or something like that. 0.97

01:28:08.000 And they brought on all these social justice warriors. 0.97

01:28:11.000 Jamie, look that up. 0.99

01:28:12.000 What the fuck is that called that they tried to do? 0.99

01:28:14.000 But they brought on all these people for this... 0.99

01:28:16.000 Sounds like Mao's China.

01:28:18.000 Jesus Christ.

01:28:19.000 It's very, very bizarre.

01:28:21.000 It's thought control.

01:28:21.000 It is thought control.

01:28:23.000 Well, look, I'm against harassment.

01:28:25.000 If you can stop people from being shitty to people, and you say, well, here's someone who's using Twitter, and they're going after people in a very shitty way, but... 0.99

01:28:33.000 The problem with that is, look at how many fucking people have made shitty, horrible, evil comments about police officers. 0.99

01:28:42.000 All police officers. 0.99

01:28:44.000 Trust and safety counsel.

01:28:45.000 When it comes to safety, everyone plays a role.

01:28:48.000 Please make that larger so I can read it.

01:28:50.000 Twitter empowers every voice to shape the world, but you can't do that unless you feel safe and confident enough to express yourself freely and connect with the world around you.

01:29:02.000 To help give your voice more power, Twitter does not tolerate behavior intended to harass, intimidate, or use fear to silence another user's voice.

01:29:12.000 Very general, by the way.

01:29:13.000 Very general.

01:29:14.000 Now you have a council that is deciding whether or not you're good enough for Twitter.

01:29:20.000 That's pretty amazing.

01:29:20.000 Well, you know what the first thing they did with him, they couldn't figure out what to do with him, they took away his verification.

01:29:26.000 What does that have to do with...

01:29:28.000 What is that?

01:29:28.000 He's not verified anymore.

01:29:30.000 They took away his little blue check.

01:29:31.000 It's very dangerous.

01:29:33.000 It's a very dangerous slippery slope, but we see this in our universities too.

01:29:37.000 You do.

01:29:38.000 Exactly the same thing.

01:29:39.000 When they did that, he gained 20,000 new followers immediately because there was a massive backlash.

01:29:45.000 So now they're in a place where there's even more backlash because if you look at the actual words that he typed, Versus what they're accusing him of and it just doesn't stack up It's clear that they don't like him because he's a Republican. 1.00

01:29:57.000 He's a Trump supporter He and he is a fucking troll. 1.00

01:30:02.000 I love him. 1.00

01:30:02.000 I think he's hilarious He's a troll but in the marketplace of ideas, you should be able to combat his trolling behavior without gagging him Engage him In a debate, 1.00

01:30:18.000 in a vigorous spirited debate, don't gag the guy.

01:30:22.000 Right.

01:30:22.000 If you really feel like he has done something egregious, he's done something that can be criticized, criticize it.

01:30:28.000 That's right. 0.99

01:30:28.000 And if he's actually harassing people, if he's actually saying, hey, go find Leslie Jones and throw dog shit at her or do something horrible to her or slash her tires or something like that. 0.99

01:30:40.000 If he's actually doing something like that, yeah. 0.99

01:30:43.000 Then he's committing a crime.

01:30:45.000 That's where you don't get up in a crowded movie theater and scream fire because you'll create a stampede, right?

01:30:51.000 Yes, exactly.

01:30:51.000 Maya Angelou talked about that when she said where the Ku Klux Klan was saying, we have a freedom of speech.

01:30:56.000 And Maya Angelou said, your freedom of speech can end when you're literally telling people to hang me.

01:31:03.000 Yes.

01:31:03.000 And you're telling a mob and I'm standing right there inciting them.

01:31:07.000 That's probably where we should take a look at things.

01:31:10.000 And we all know the line.

01:31:14.000 We don't all know, though.

01:31:15.000 No, I'm saying that there is something called common decency.

01:31:19.000 And people like to jump to these extremes, but it doesn't inform the debate.

01:31:24.000 I think what you're saying is so important.

01:31:26.000 And the idea that you've got to create safe haven for those that you agree with and disagree with.

01:31:31.000 Right.

01:31:31.000 I disagree with Milo all the time.

01:31:34.000 I mean, he and I are friends, and I've had him on the podcast twice.

01:31:37.000 And when we talk, I mock him.

01:31:39.000 We have fun.

01:31:40.000 But he's a good guy.

01:31:41.000 But he's just really right-wing. 0.99

01:31:44.000 I also think his trolling is so fucking sophisticated. 0.93

01:31:47.000 And he's one of the ones that was saying that he believes that Melania, how do you say her name? 0.98

01:31:52.000 Melania is Trump, yeah.

01:31:53.000 Melania, is that her name? 0.93

01:31:54.000 Yeah.

01:31:54.000 He thinks that they did it on purpose.

01:31:56.000 He thinks Trump is a master troll and he thinks that the plagiarism was on purpose because now more people are talking about it and then more people are...

01:32:05.000 I don't know if that's true, but I think it's hilarious that, did you know that his tweet, Trump's tweet that he put out to congratulate his wife for speaking is exactly verbatim the same tweet that Obama put out to congratulate his wife for speaking.

01:32:26.000 Interesting.

01:32:27.000 Exactly.

01:32:28.000 Wow.

01:32:29.000 Every single word in the exact same order.

01:32:34.000 Wow.

01:32:34.000 Yes.

01:32:35.000 That's pretty calculated.

01:32:37.000 I don't know.

01:32:38.000 I don't think he writes his own tweets.

01:32:40.000 That apparently wasn't true.

01:32:42.000 Is it fake?

01:32:42.000 I think that was like photoshopped.

01:32:43.000 Oh, those motherfuckers. 1.00

01:32:44.000 They got me. 1.00

01:32:45.000 Oh, that was the other thing they did.

01:32:46.000 I'm sorry about that, folks. 0.99

01:32:48.000 That's another thing that they did with Leslie Jones, which she was really upset, is that trolls were taking words and putting them, like they were taking a photoshop and making her, like her name, like what she had, you know, her Twitter name, and then writing horrible shit about gay people. 0.99

01:33:04.000 Jesus Christ. 0.99

01:33:04.000 And then putting it in there. 0.99

01:33:05.000 Jesus.

01:33:06.000 But...

01:33:07.000 Leslie Jones, and again, I love her.

01:33:09.000 I think she's really funny. 0.96

01:33:10.000 She said some kind of fucked up things on Twitter herself. 0.97

01:33:15.000 And, you know, things that can be construed as racist. 1.00

01:33:18.000 One of the things she said about white people being shit. 1.00

01:33:21.000 Fuck white people shit. 1.00

01:33:23.000 Like, something like that. 1.00

01:33:23.000 It was on Breitbart. 1.00

01:33:25.000 See if you could find the actual things that they were saying.

01:33:29.000 Like, how could Leslie Jones get away with saying this?

01:33:32.000 But...

01:33:33.000 Milo gets banned for writing an article.

01:33:37.000 And I'm not... 1.00

01:33:38.000 But I think what Leslie said, like, white people shit, it could have been that she was saying, like, someone did something, and goddamn white people, this is some white people shit. 1.00

01:33:48.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:33:49.000 You know, like...

01:33:49.000 She's funny.

01:33:50.000 Like when people climb into a zoo and try to fucking hug a tiger. 0.99

01:33:54.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:33:54.000 That's white people. 1.00

01:33:54.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:33:55.000 That's white people shit. 1.00

01:33:56.000 Yeah, that's funny, though. 1.00

01:33:56.000 And Leslie, anybody who knows Leslie knows... 1.00

01:33:59.000 Lord have mercy.

01:33:59.000 She's a great...

01:34:00.000 She's just a fucking doll. 1.00

01:34:02.000 Lord have mercy, white people shit. 1.00

01:34:03.000 What does that mean, though? 1.00

01:34:05.000 It's white people shit. 1.00

01:34:06.000 Like, they do crazy stuff. 1.00

01:34:07.000 But I don't know.

01:34:07.000 I mean, what does that mean?

01:34:08.000 Like, why did she say that?

01:34:10.000 Like, what is that about?

01:34:11.000 Imagine a white person.

01:34:12.000 Look at this. 0.73

01:34:13.000 Imagine a white person saying that about black people.

01:34:16.000 I understand, but I think, you know, we've heard this before, and we...

01:34:20.000 It's fine.

01:34:21.000 Leslie Jones is not a racist.

01:34:23.000 Leslie Jones has never been anything but really kind to people around her.

01:34:26.000 Okay, but hold on a second.

01:34:27.000 Because sometimes people say things that are racist, and they're not racist.

01:34:30.000 They're just trying to be funny.

01:34:31.000 Yes.

01:34:32.000 Like, you know, I mean...

01:34:33.000 Well, too sensitive sometimes about it.

01:34:34.000 Jeff Ross is hilarious, and he says a lot of racial stuff when he roasts people.

01:34:39.000 Sarah Silverman.

01:34:40.000 But Jeff Ross in particular, because he's really good at roasting people.

01:34:43.000 And a lot of the stuff that he says, like, you know, he crosses what some people would say is a line.

01:34:48.000 Yeah.

01:34:48.000 But what is he doing?

01:34:49.000 He's being funny.

01:34:50.000 There is a difference.

01:34:53.000 So, a lot of times, if you're Hispanic, if you're, you know...

01:34:57.000 If you're from a marginalized group, you can get away with it. 1.00

01:35:00.000 You can get away with it because you all share in a common experience of repression.

01:35:07.000 Right. 0.86

01:35:08.000 So, like, gay people can mock straight people. 1.00

01:35:10.000 Like, go ahead, mock me for liking pussy. 1.00

01:35:12.000 Who cares? 1.00

01:35:13.000 That's what I mean.

01:35:14.000 Right?

01:35:14.000 Because we've never had to pay a price for that kind of oppression.

01:35:17.000 We haven't.

01:35:18.000 Not physically and not economically.

01:35:20.000 Well, that's not true because we've been oppressed for being straight forever.

01:35:24.000 It's a constant thing.

01:35:26.000 People are just so mad that we're on day.

01:35:27.000 You're such a breeder. 1.00

01:35:29.000 Fucking breeder. 1.00

01:35:30.000 Who are you out there, making babies? 1.00

01:35:32.000 Exactly.

01:35:33.000 It was fucking Otto and George had a great line. 0.99

01:35:35.000 You know, Otto and George, if you don't know, Otto was this fucking great, hilarious comedian who had a puppet named George, and his puppet was evil, and these bushy eyebrows. 0.99

01:35:45.000 And the puppet would say these fucked up things, and Otto would go, ah, I can't believe you're saying that. 0.99

01:35:51.000 Like, what the hell? 1.00

01:35:51.000 And the puppet would say, he goes, I don't understand where all these fucking queers are coming from. 1.00

01:35:57.000 For a group of people that can't breed, where the fuck are they all coming from? 1.00

01:36:02.000 It's like you had to say purposely ignorant shit as his puppet. 1.00

01:36:07.000 Well, you know, a lot of times all of us think outrageous thoughts. 1.00

01:36:11.000 We think prejudiced thoughts.

01:36:13.000 It's part of being a human being, man.

01:36:16.000 Well, there's a friend of mine who is dealing with these folks that are Jewish that are incredibly cheap. 1.00

01:36:23.000 And this friend of mine was saying, like, how fucking embarrassing is it when someone just reenacts the most disgusting stereotype about a race? 0.98

01:36:34.000 Like a Chinese guy that just closes his eyes and just drives straight into traffic. 1.00

01:36:41.000 It's fucking horrible stereotypes that when you see them, you're like, oh, come on, man. 1.00

01:36:46.000 If I was Chinese and I saw someone driving like that, I'd be like, you motherfucker! 1.00

01:36:49.000 Do you know what I'm dealing with here? 1.00

01:36:52.000 If there's an accident and I'm involved, people go, oh, of course! 1.00

01:36:56.000 The fucking Asian guy! 1.00

01:36:57.000 Got a car accident! 1.00

01:36:58.000 Well, do you know what Dunbar's principle is?

01:37:01.000 Yes.

01:37:01.000 Yeah, and we have a limited number of people we can keep in our heads, right?

01:37:05.000 Right.

01:37:06.000 But that also plays a part in stereotyping.

01:37:09.000 There's a limited amount of information that we can kind of like keep in our heads.

01:37:13.000 So actually stereotyping was something that kept us safe.

01:37:17.000 You're talking about, when you talk about stereotyping, what you're really talking about is pattern recognition and chunking information.

01:37:23.000 You're looking at something because you don't have a lot of time.

01:37:25.000 You're looking at a dude.

01:37:27.000 It's like Dov Davidoff's joke about, you know, he said he was sitting there and this guy walked up to him.

01:37:32.000 He's already done this joke, so I'm not ruining it.

01:37:35.000 But he said, you know, look, we assume things all the time.

01:37:38.000 He goes, I saw this guy with teardrop tattoos.

01:37:41.000 He had a knife.

01:37:42.000 And I was like, I don't want to hang around here.

01:37:44.000 And the girl goes, don't assume.

01:37:45.000 He could be a chef.

01:37:46.000 I'm like, that's fine.

01:37:47.000 He could be a chef. 0.98

01:37:48.000 But if you pull your pants down and you got a bunch of blisters in your genitals, I'm not going to assume you got stung by a pack of bees. 0.95

01:37:55.000 You know, at the end of the day, you do stereotype. 0.71

01:37:56.000 You make choices based on how you, you know, what the information you get.

01:38:00.000 And you do it very quickly because sometimes that information can keep you safe.

01:38:04.000 A cop, a lot of times when they see, they can tell if somebody shouldn't be somewhere because they'll look for certain things.

01:38:12.000 That person's driving and they're on their way somewhere.

01:38:15.000 There are lots of different little signals that cause you to profile.

01:38:19.000 Because sometimes profiling is what's called good police work.

01:38:23.000 We all do it. 0.97

01:38:25.000 When I'm driving and I see a dude in his car and I see the back of his head, I can make a lot of fucking assumptions on how he's driving and whether or not he's going to signal. 0.98

01:38:34.000 Like an old dude with a hat. 0.98

01:38:35.000 Do it all the time.

01:38:36.000 I do it all the time.

01:38:37.000 I got to speed by the sky. 1.00

01:38:39.000 I got to beat my horn before I go by because he might just swerve in because he's a fucking dummy. 1.00

01:38:42.000 You know what I'm saying? 1.00

01:38:43.000 So some of this is just being a human being.

01:38:46.000 And again, it's how our minds work.

01:38:49.000 And we probably all share very similar thought patterns with even our enemies or even the people we don't like.

01:38:58.000 Right, but being a Jewish person, it's really cheap. 1.00

01:39:02.000 Like, super cheap.

01:39:04.000 But that comes from...

01:39:05.000 That's different, isn't it?

01:39:06.000 No, because...

01:39:07.000 That's characteristic.

01:39:08.000 The way I would look at it is this. 0.75

01:39:10.000 So I'd say, you'd say, that Jewish person is cheap, right? 1.00

01:39:13.000 And I would say, what I would look at is I'd say, well, hold on for a second.

01:39:17.000 If you've been a Jew, you have a history, and we can go back 3,500 years, but let's just go back, I don't know, let's go back 2,000 years. 0.93

01:39:25.000 You've got a history of a lot of people...

01:39:26.000 Yeah, but they're talking about someone in their 20s.

01:39:28.000 No, it doesn't matter.

01:39:29.000 Listen, you've got a lot of people blaming the Jews for killing Christ, right?

01:39:32.000 And so usually, if you look at history, especially European history, they were either kicked out or they were killed.

01:39:37.000 So what happens is, if you don't have a homeland, if you don't have a homeland, then you're a Jew, all right? 0.99

01:39:42.000 But don't they have a homeland?

01:39:44.000 No, but that's very recent.

01:39:45.000 What is that, 1948?

01:39:47.000 Yeah.

01:39:48.000 So as a Jew, when you actually don't have, you know, a country, I'm just, you know, as an example...

01:39:54.000 Guess what your security is? 0.99

01:39:56.000 Your fucking security at the end of the day is how thick your wallet is because money, money is how you survived. 1.00

01:40:02.000 You know the reason that a lot of Jews- That's a good point. 1.00

01:40:03.000 The reason Jews were into the jewelry trade? 1.00

01:40:06.000 Diamonds? 1.00

01:40:06.000 Well, diamonds are something you could pick up, put in a pouch, and run the fuck away really quickly. 1.00

01:40:11.000 You could transport your wealth.

01:40:13.000 So they were like, well, we're kept out of banking, we're kept out of all these things, but we can make clothing?

01:40:18.000 And we're jewelers.

01:40:19.000 And they came to this country, those immigrants came to this country with those two skills.

01:40:23.000 The Irish came to this country with, hey, I got two hands. 1.00

01:40:25.000 I can work a farm.

01:40:27.000 What do you need me to do? 0.97

01:40:28.000 The Jews were like, I can make fucking really nice clothes and I can label them and I can get you to think that they're even nicer because I understand a little bit about marketing. 0.99

01:40:37.000 Oh, and by the way, I got diamonds. 0.99

01:40:39.000 There were certain things that they were forced into and they came to this country and they had a skill set.

01:40:45.000 So I look at that and I go, ooh, that's just cultural residue.

01:40:48.000 That's just cultural residue.

01:40:50.000 You were taught that that's how you get ahead.

01:40:54.000 And you were taught that holding on to your money is, by the way, also a way to ensure your survival.

01:40:58.000 So the more you learn about, you know, the more you learn about a people's history, the more you learn about our biology, the more we learn about brain science, I think, the more compassionate it makes us.

01:41:09.000 Well, that's also why a lot of people feel that some Asian folks are bad drivers because they're used to minding their own business, not looking left and right.

01:41:16.000 And when they walk, they walk straight ahead and they bump into each other all the time.

01:41:20.000 That's great. 0.99

01:41:20.000 That's fucking great! 0.99

01:41:21.000 That's what it is. 1.00

01:41:22.000 That's great!

01:41:22.000 Well, a friend of mine who's Chinese actually was explaining this to me.

01:41:25.000 He's like, if you go to China and you walk down the street, he goes, people just bounce off each other like bumper cars. 0.99

01:41:31.000 And he goes, and it's not offensive.

01:41:32.000 It's just what they're doing.

01:41:33.000 They're not doing it on purpose.

01:41:34.000 It's just like when you're dealing with billions of people, like this is how you do it.

01:41:37.000 You just got to plow forward.

01:41:39.000 Have you ever seen intersections in China?

01:41:41.000 Yes.

01:41:42.000 Have you seen videos of intersections?

01:41:44.000 Mm-hmm. 0.99

01:41:44.000 It's fucking terrifying. 0.99

01:41:45.000 It's insanity. 1.00

01:41:46.000 It's fucking terrifying. 0.99

01:41:47.000 It's chaos. 0.99

01:41:48.000 It's ants.

01:41:48.000 Italy was terrifying.

01:41:50.000 They drive like fucking savages in Italy. 1.00

01:41:52.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:41:53.000 I mean, there's roundabouts.

01:41:54.000 We're driving into the roundabout.

01:41:56.000 We're like, oh, Jesus!

01:41:57.000 And the driver just skillfully maneuvers around this.

01:42:00.000 But look at this.

01:42:00.000 Look at that.

01:42:01.000 I love it.

01:42:02.000 Look at this fucking madness. 1.00

01:42:04.000 It's amazing. 1.00

01:42:04.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:42:04.000 But they figure it out. 1.00

01:42:05.000 It's not how it works.

01:42:06.000 They left.

01:42:06.000 They right.

01:42:07.000 They zoom around each other.

01:42:08.000 They're driving slowly, and they're all making their own. 0.91

01:42:11.000 So at 25 miles an hour, they say, anything below 25 miles an hour, human beings are very good at navigating.

01:42:15.000 Yeah.

01:42:16.000 That's a good example, and this is kind of a weird overhead view.

01:42:20.000 I love it, though. 0.61

01:42:20.000 This is actually manageable, but I've seen some shit that just doesn't look manageable. 0.61

01:42:26.000 You also see people die in those intersections. 0.98

01:42:28.000 Oh, yeah.

01:42:28.000 Well, how about the people that are walking?

01:42:30.000 They just walk across the street and pray that people avoid them.

01:42:35.000 Yeah. 0.96

01:42:35.000 Like, oh, goddammit. 0.96

01:42:38.000 Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of cultures that have their own little thing that they do to sort of deal with the numbers that they're dealing with.

01:42:47.000 And, you know, you see that in America, too.

01:42:49.000 One of the things that I really like about small towns, when I go to a small...

01:42:53.000 Like, I was in Bozeman, Montana recently.

01:42:55.000 There's only 35,000 residents in Bozeman, Montana.

01:42:58.000 It's a great town, and everybody drives really nice. 0.97

01:43:02.000 Everybody's like fucking super chill. 0.97

01:43:04.000 Yeah. 0.93

01:43:04.000 There's not that many people. 0.93

01:43:05.000 Yeah.

01:43:05.000 See, people are like real easy going, let everybody, and I realize like, what you're dealing with in Los Angeles, like I felt it the moment I got off the plane when I went from Montana to here, the moment you get here, you're like, you gotta go, gotta go, cut this guy off, get ahead, gotta get it.

01:43:20.000 There's a feeling in the air.

01:43:23.000 And they did a study, and one of the things that they did a study on was they put up cameras in cities, and they measured the amount of footsteps that people take, like how quickly they walk.

01:43:36.000 And then they measured how many syllables people say in a minute, how quickly they talk.

01:43:42.000 And through those two numbers, they were able to accurately estimate how many people lived in that city, down to like a thousand.

01:43:50.000 God!

01:43:50.000 I love that stuff.

01:43:51.000 God, that's interesting.

01:43:52.000 If you have a shitload of people, people walk faster and they talk faster.

01:43:56.000 If you have less people, they slow down.

01:43:59.000 Well, Gail Collins, who's a columnist in the New York Times, always says that right-wing and left-wing people, it's all about space.

01:44:07.000 You become more of a socialist when you have to contend with all your neighbors.

01:44:11.000 So you live in a building and it requires cooperation.

01:44:14.000 It requires waiting in line.

01:44:16.000 It requires all these things.

01:44:17.000 When you live in Bozeman, Montana and you have all that space, you can preach self-reliance.

01:44:23.000 You can sort of talk about the value of sovereignty, personal sovereignty, self-reliance and all that stuff.

01:44:29.000 So it does play a real factor in your psychology.

01:44:32.000 It's like...

01:44:33.000 No, I was going to say Malcolm Gladwell in his book.

01:44:37.000 I think it was Blink where you mentioned when people would come to his office and if you mentioned Florida, raisins and orange juice, people left the room a lot slower.

01:44:51.000 Do you know why?

01:44:52.000 Why?

01:44:52.000 Because they thought of old people and retirement.

01:44:56.000 Whoa.

01:44:56.000 And so it played a factor in their gait.

01:44:58.000 They left the fucking office. 1.00

01:45:01.000 They were less inspired. 1.00

01:45:02.000 They walked down the aisle.

01:45:03.000 Well, they walked down the hallway more measured because you put the idea of an old person in their brain.

01:45:09.000 Well, what I was going to say is this is where the role of college is.

01:45:14.000 Very interesting.

01:45:15.000 Because colleges sort of throw a monkey wrench into that.

01:45:18.000 Because colleges take a small town and turn it very liberal, which ordinarily would not be that way.

01:45:24.000 You're dealing with small rural environments. 0.99

01:45:27.000 You usually deal with conservative populations that are Christian and they're into fucking Republican sort of ideas. 0.98

01:45:34.000 Well, there's also something else about liberal towns. 0.98

01:45:37.000 They're small liberal towns like you're talking about.

01:45:39.000 I don't think they turn them liberal.

01:45:40.000 What they really do is they take away any existential threat for the most part.

01:45:44.000 They make those towns super safe.

01:45:46.000 There are a lot of rules that would penalize anybody, for example, young men for misbehaving by punching each other in the face or imposing their aggression on a weaker group of people.

01:45:57.000 I think that's also how I characterize a liberal small academic town.

01:46:02.000 They are safe, for the most part, safe environments for you to figure the world out and express yourself.

01:46:10.000 Do you know what I'm saying about that?

01:46:11.000 Yeah, safer, like Boulder's a good example of that.

01:46:14.000 Exactly.

01:46:14.000 Low blood sugar, sort of, you know.

01:46:16.000 Yeah, well, I wouldn't say low blood sugar because there's a lot of fitness going on there.

01:46:22.000 Boulder's one of the fittest towns in the world, like per capita.

01:46:26.000 Like a lot of people have low body fat, they're hiking all the time.

01:46:29.000 Good looking people.

01:46:30.000 And they're in a fantastic environment as far as the natural beauty of the land around them and they take advantage of it. 0.99

01:46:37.000 They're always hiking and biking and shit. 0.95

01:46:38.000 But you don't have to worry about things like a shootout. 0.97

01:46:42.000 My friend who grew up in the hood said that he knew when something was about to happen.

01:46:50.000 And I said, what do you mean?

01:46:51.000 He said, the air changed. 1.00

01:46:53.000 Your friend might be an idiot. 1.00

01:46:55.000 No, no, no. 1.00

01:46:55.000 He said, no, he said, because what happens is... 1.00

01:46:58.000 In all fairness, a lot of your friends are idiots. 1.00

01:47:00.000 No, no. 1.00

01:47:00.000 He grew up in the hood, and he had a lot of his friends killed. 1.00

01:47:03.000 White guy? 0.99

01:47:04.000 No, no, no, black guy. 1.00

01:47:05.000 He had a lot of his friends killed. 0.71

01:47:06.000 And he said, what I would notice, and everybody would notice, is that when the shootout was about to happen, or a fight was about to break out, he said there was almost like this...

01:47:15.000 Like, whatever it was imagined or not, there would be this calm before the storm.

01:47:19.000 The air would change.

01:47:20.000 Things would settle.

01:47:21.000 And then, boom, something would happen.

01:47:23.000 And he said, everybody felt that.

01:47:24.000 He said, because we were talking about how my friend walked through the savannah with his wife, who grew up in Kenya.

01:47:30.000 And his wife knew everything about it.

01:47:33.000 She was like, don't worry about the lions.

01:47:34.000 She knew everything.

01:47:35.000 She knew animal behavior.

01:47:36.000 Until she saw...

01:47:37.000 What animal?

01:47:38.000 What?

01:47:39.000 Guess.

01:47:40.000 Guess.

01:47:40.000 Hyenas?

01:47:41.000 Nope.

01:47:42.000 People?

01:47:42.000 Nope.

01:47:43.000 Monkeys?

01:47:44.000 Water buffalo. 1.00

01:47:45.000 And she looked at her husband and she said, climb that tree right fucking now. 0.99

01:47:48.000 And he said, I knew when she told me to climb the tree because there were lions and she said, don't worry. 1.00

01:47:52.000 When she said climb the tree, I climbed that fucking tree because it was a water buffalo. 1.00

01:47:56.000 She knew her environment and just like he, he would walk through the hood and he was safe. 0.99

01:47:59.000 He knew how to navigate, but he also knew when something was about to happen.

01:48:03.000 There's a great Jim Shockey show.

01:48:05.000 Jim Shockey's this really famous conservationist and big game hunter from Canada.

01:48:10.000 Really interesting guy.

01:48:11.000 He's got this great show called Uncharted.

01:48:13.000 And it's kind of a hunting show, but not really.

01:48:16.000 It's more of an exploration of culture because he travels to all these different countries and he really gets deeply embedded in their country.

01:48:24.000 And in their culture.

01:48:25.000 And it goes to these strange lands in the middle of nowhere in Russia or in Soviet Union, former Soviet Union.

01:48:31.000 And he spent a lot of time in Africa as well.

01:48:35.000 He's done a bunch of shows in Africa.

01:48:38.000 They actually brought him in to kill crocodiles that were killing people in this village. 1.00

01:48:43.000 Damn. 1.00

01:48:43.000 And the people in the village, man, it was fucking horrific. 1.00

01:48:46.000 They would go through this village with cameras and people would be showing, like, this guy's missing an arm, this guy's missing a leg, this guy has a bite taken out of his head. 1.00

01:48:54.000 Damn. 0.99

01:48:54.000 Like, everyone. 0.99

01:48:55.000 Jesus.

01:48:56.000 Like, all these people.

01:48:56.000 Everyone knew someone.

01:48:57.000 Because they had to get their water down there.

01:48:58.000 Yeah.

01:48:59.000 Everybody knew.

01:48:59.000 While they were there.

01:49:00.000 While they were there filming this, a woman got taken away by a crocodile.

01:49:03.000 I mean, it's just a constant, complete threat.

01:49:06.000 Good God.

01:49:06.000 That's terrifying.

01:49:06.000 And they were not scared of anything.

01:49:09.000 Like, they were scared of buffaloes. 1.00

01:49:11.000 Those fucking cape buffaloes. 1.00

01:49:12.000 Water buffaloes. 1.00

01:49:13.000 They're like, these goddamn things. 1.00

01:49:15.000 These grass-eating monsters. 1.00

01:49:17.000 Yeah.

01:49:17.000 Because they have to fight lions all the time.

01:49:20.000 So they fuck and they fight lions off. 1.00

01:49:22.000 And they're just jacked to the tits. 1.00

01:49:25.000 I mean, if you look at them, you're like, what is that thing eating? 0.99

01:49:27.000 It must be eating steroids.

01:49:29.000 Don't they weigh 3,000 pounds? 1.00

01:49:30.000 No, they're fucking enormous. 0.99

01:49:31.000 They're enormous. 1.00

01:49:32.000 They're huge, huge animals. 1.00

01:49:34.000 And lions are the biggest assholes because they'll eat their balls while they're on them. 1.00

01:49:37.000 They take their testicles. 1.00

01:49:38.000 They go for the balls? 1.00

01:49:39.000 First thing they eat is their balls and their dick. 1.00

01:49:40.000 Really? 1.00

01:49:41.000 Yep, because they're behind them.

01:49:42.000 So you got one on your back, and then they're like, hmm.

01:49:45.000 Go for the ball.

01:49:45.000 Well, it's probably easy to tear loose.

01:49:47.000 Of course it is.

01:49:47.000 It's a good bite.

01:49:49.000 Good old... 0.99

01:49:49.000 It sucks being a water bottle. 0.99

01:49:51.000 Oh, it sucks being a lion, too, man. 0.99

01:49:53.000 Yeah, it does. 1.00

01:49:54.000 Fuck that. 1.00

01:49:54.000 Running around killing shit with your face all day. 1.00

01:49:56.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:49:57.000 That's all you can do.

01:49:58.000 You don't have a store.

01:49:59.000 You don't have a credit card. 1.00

01:50:00.000 Nature is fucking... 1.00

01:50:01.000 Oh, it's fucked. 1.00

01:50:02.000 Nature is brutal. 1.00

01:50:03.000 Human beings have always, it's been a constant war against nature, actually.

01:50:08.000 It's always been.

01:50:09.000 How do you harness nature?

01:50:11.000 Pretty much every animal that exists, every animal that exists, even lions are in a constant war with other lions.

01:50:18.000 Like, their reign of terror is so fucking insanely brief. 0.79

01:50:22.000 They got a couple years where they run the pride, and then some new lion comes along and kills them. 1.00

01:50:27.000 Or bites them so fucked up that they're forced to leave. 1.00

01:50:31.000 Even Great Whites. 0.99

01:50:32.000 Great Whites, they played, they had, this guy, Paul DeGelder, who did our podcast, Fighter and Kid, and he ended up losing his arm and his hand and his leg to a bull shark in Sydney Bay.

01:50:43.000 In Sydney Bay.

01:50:44.000 He goes to punch the shark.

01:50:45.000 Bull sharks are brutal. 0.88

01:50:46.000 Yeah.

01:50:46.000 He goes to punch the shark and he goes, oh, I don't have a hand left.

01:50:49.000 And then almost died and all that.

01:50:52.000 What does he have on his arm now?

01:50:53.000 Does he have a prosthesis?

01:50:54.000 Yeah, it's an amazing prosthesis, which can close and open.

01:50:56.000 Is it a carbon fiber one?

01:50:57.000 I think so.

01:50:58.000 It's like $90,000.

01:51:00.000 Whoa.

01:51:01.000 But he was an Australian Navy SEAL jack dude, you know, like a handsome guy.

01:51:05.000 And just, you know, there he was, lost his arm and leg.

01:51:08.000 But...

01:51:09.000 He was talking about how they played...

01:51:13.000 There was an area where all these great whites, I guess bull sharks and stuff, and they played the sound of orcas.

01:51:20.000 They played the sound of what they make when they're hunting. 0.98

01:51:24.000 And they said that fucking sharks didn't come near that area for six months. 0.99

01:51:29.000 They were just like, see ya, I'm out of here. 0.99

01:51:32.000 And then what hunts them?

01:51:33.000 Us. 0.99

01:51:34.000 We fuck up the orcas. 0.99

01:51:36.000 Yeah, it's a constant battle, and it always has been. 0.99

01:51:39.000 And I always wonder, like, is that battle...

01:51:41.000 I mean, it's sort of necessary.

01:51:44.000 It seems like with the natural world...

01:51:47.000 I mean, obviously we're striving towards some higher state of existence.

01:51:51.000 Everyone is.

01:51:52.000 I mean, I think that's where...

01:51:54.000 Where Buddhists come from and meditation comes from and veganism comes from.

01:51:59.000 And meat that doesn't have a central nervous system.

01:52:01.000 Utopian ideologies and all these thoughts about what we're trying to do is, whether misguided or not, we're trying to strive towards improvement.

01:52:11.000 And that is the state of life.

01:52:14.000 And it's also the state of nature.

01:52:16.000 There has to be some sort of a balance of power with animals that are herbivores and animals that are carnivores.

01:52:23.000 They're talking about bringing in cougars on the east coast of the United States because they have too many deer.

01:52:29.000 They have too many deer.

01:52:31.000 And it's a really fascinating subject because it's a better idea than bringing in wolves.

01:52:39.000 Well, wolves are very hard to...

01:52:40.000 They tend to be wholesale with their slaughter, right?

01:52:44.000 Not only that, they do a lot of fun killing. 0.96

01:52:47.000 They like to fun kill. 0.53

01:52:48.000 Yeah, they do what they call surplus hunting.

01:52:51.000 That video I showed you where I shot that deer in London?

01:52:54.000 Yeah.

01:52:54.000 In England?

01:52:54.000 You shot a deer in London?

01:52:56.000 An hour and a half outside.

01:52:57.000 What are you doing?

01:52:57.000 An hour outside of London.

01:52:59.000 You're hunting in someone's yard?

01:53:00.000 Well, my buddy owns this giant...

01:53:02.000 My buddy, you know, he made a lot of money.

01:53:03.000 He said, I said, where's your property?

01:53:04.000 And he goes, well, can you see down there?

01:53:06.000 I go, I look.

01:53:07.000 He goes, and can you look that way?

01:53:08.000 And basically, as far as I looked, it was all his. 0.81

01:53:10.000 And he said, by law, he needs to kill 21 deer a year on his property because deer are such a problem.

01:53:18.000 You know, because there are no natural predators.

01:53:20.000 There's another thing they've found out today, there's an article today, there was always these myths about mountain lions being loose in England, in the countryside.

01:53:31.000 Really?

01:53:32.000 Yeah.

01:53:32.000 It turns out, it's true, it turns out it came from a zoo that just admitted recently that they released these pumas.

01:53:40.000 Wow. 0.99

01:53:40.000 They released these fucking mountain lions that they had in captivity. 0.99

01:53:43.000 So the people had been ridiculed. 1.00

01:53:45.000 Like, oh, someone took away...

01:53:47.000 A big cat took away my sheep. 1.00

01:53:48.000 Oh, this motherfucker's drinking. 1.00

01:53:49.000 No, they were telling the truth. 1.00

01:53:51.000 These fucking mountain lions were released in the 1980s. 1.00

01:53:55.000 That's amazing. 1.00

01:53:55.000 In the countryside in England. 1.00

01:53:57.000 Damn. 1.00

01:53:57.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:53:58.000 It's fucking crazy-ass soup. 0.99

01:53:59.000 Seems like they could live in all that forest. 1.00

01:54:01.000 Well, as long as...

01:54:02.000 Here it goes.

01:54:03.000 The Beast of Dartmoor...

01:54:05.000 That's how you say it?

01:54:06.000 Dartmoor?

01:54:07.000 Mystery solved.

01:54:08.000 As Zoo admits, it released Pumas into the wild in the 1980s.

01:54:11.000 So that was one of those things.

01:54:13.000 I think it was on that show, Monster Quest.

01:54:16.000 They're beautiful animals.

01:54:18.000 Look at how awesome they are.

01:54:19.000 They're amazing, man.

01:54:20.000 They're amazing.

01:54:20.000 And you know, my buddy has a 70-pound or 75-pound German Shepherd, like a bite trained, you know, it's a complete badass dog.

01:54:29.000 And I was looking at it, and if you look at the size of that thing's headed, maybe 75 pounds, doesn't look like much.

01:54:33.000 Good luck fighting that thing off. 0.97

01:54:35.000 I've seen that thing hit a sleeve and it's horrific how powerful they are.

01:54:39.000 Mountain lions get up to what?

01:54:40.000 150 pounds?

01:54:41.000 They can get bigger than that.

01:54:42.000 Twice that size?

01:54:43.000 It's rare, but...

01:54:44.000 Also, they're cats.

01:54:46.000 And cats are just way more agile.

01:54:48.000 I got a great story about mountain lions.

01:54:50.000 A friend of mine is a guide, an elk hunting guide in Colorado.

01:54:55.000 And he said that they found these tracks of this mountain lion.

01:54:59.000 They have to kill a certain amount of mountain lions on their property because they have this gigantic ranch.

01:55:04.000 And, you know, they have a certain amount of tags that they have to fill or they should fill.

01:55:10.000 And so, you know, they try to control the populations of mountain lions.

01:55:13.000 So they were trying to find this mountain lion.

01:55:15.000 They're tracking this mountain lion.

01:55:16.000 They tracked these tracks, and they saw elk tracks, and they saw mountain lion tracks.

01:55:20.000 And then they saw only elk tracks.

01:55:24.000 Ooh. 0.99

01:55:24.000 Because the mountain lion had jumped on the back of this fucking gigantic 900 pound bull elk and rode it for 150 yards and then taken it down. 0.99

01:55:35.000 Damn! 0.99

01:55:35.000 So this 150 pound cat, who they wound up killing, had killed this, you know, close to a thousand pound elk. 0.99

01:55:42.000 That is unreal, man. 0.99

01:55:44.000 But when they found it, the fucking mountain lion was on the elk, and the elk was down. 0.99

01:55:48.000 And then, you know, they followed the tracks of this elk running with this cat on its back. 0.99

01:55:54.000 The thing just leaped. 0.98

01:55:55.000 Imagine being something like a person.

01:55:58.000 You know, you weigh 170 pounds.

01:56:00.000 Yeah.

01:56:01.000 Like a cat. 1.00

01:56:02.000 And you decide, oh, I'm going to jump on that 1,000-pound horse and kill it with my face. 1.00

01:56:07.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:56:08.000 Yeah.

01:56:08.000 And their canines have sensors, apparently, where they can sense where the jugular is, so they keep adjusting their grip.

01:56:14.000 Oh, God.

01:56:15.000 Good God, man.

01:56:16.000 Well, it's nature, man.

01:56:17.000 Nature's just so creepy, and it's ways of adjusting to life.

01:56:22.000 Life eats life.

01:56:23.000 My friend Andreas Antonopoulos, my friend the Bitcoin expert, explained this to me last weekend in Vegas.

01:56:30.000 Ducks. 0.99

01:56:31.000 Have three foot long dicks that curl and twist because the female vaginas have adapted to fight off rape. 1.00

01:56:43.000 Duck rape. 1.00

01:56:44.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:56:44.000 So they have these pussies that are these fucking labyrinths. 1.00

01:56:48.000 These twisty turny labyrinth pussies. 1.00

01:56:51.000 And they can choose to let sperm in or not let sperm in. 1.00

01:56:57.000 With their gigantic labyrinth pussies. 1.00

01:56:59.000 And these three foot long duck dicks. 1.00

01:57:02.000 When you see a duck's dick, you're like, that is not real. 1.00

01:57:05.000 Look at that duck's dick! 1.00

01:57:07.000 That's a drawing. 0.99

01:57:08.000 That's a drawing, but there's an actual photograph. 0.99

01:57:11.000 That's an actual photograph of a duck dick. 1.00

01:57:13.000 What in the fuck? 1.00

01:57:14.000 Damn. 1.00

01:57:15.000 That's like a person with like a 15 foot long dick. 1.00

01:57:18.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:57:18.000 Ducks are tiny, man. 1.00

01:57:19.000 A horse true dick. 1.00

01:57:20.000 Like a person with a three foot dick is a monster. 1.00

01:57:22.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:57:23.000 But a duck with a three foot long dick is totally standard. 1.00

01:57:26.000 That's a dick. 1.00

01:57:26.000 That's a limp one. 1.00

01:57:27.000 That's a real dick. 1.00

01:57:28.000 That's a guy's little dick. 1.00

01:57:29.000 He gets shamed by the other ducks. 1.00

01:57:30.000 Poor guy. 1.00

01:57:31.000 Yeah, I mean, duck dicks are ridiculous. 1.00

01:57:34.000 It's a fucking ridiculous animal. 1.00

01:57:36.000 What a crazy corkscrew. 1.00

01:57:39.000 I knew that ducks engaged in rape or gang rape. 1.00

01:57:41.000 Oh, that's all they do. 1.00

01:57:42.000 That's the only way they fuck. 1.00

01:57:44.000 They gang up on one female. 1.00

01:57:44.000 Look how the female's vagina has sort of adapted to deal with the male raping. 1.00

01:57:53.000 They've created these bizarre pathways in their pussies. 0.99

01:57:57.000 When you listen to Dan Carlin's Wrath of the Cons or you read History, And it was always, here we come, we're knocking down your walls, and we're selling everybody into slavery. 0.99

01:58:07.000 History is a history of rape, right? 1.00

01:58:10.000 So most women basically were like, ah, shit, walls are coming down, our men are going to be killed, we're going to be raped. 1.00

01:58:16.000 I mean, it just happened over and over and over. 1.00

01:58:18.000 I would imagine that most of history is a story like that.

01:58:21.000 And women were basically just forced to be taken by either a group of men or whatever.

01:58:27.000 Just like most of animal history.

01:58:29.000 Yeah.

01:58:30.000 It's just brutal.

01:58:31.000 It's really interesting how, I guess, women had to adapt and evolve.

01:58:35.000 And this woman wrote an article, and I can't remember her name because it was pretty controversial, and she said that because so much of history women... 0.99

01:58:46.000 We're good to go.

01:59:02.000 And strength is not so uncommon.

01:59:07.000 But the other really controversial thing she said was that there are cases where women are turned on by aggressive sex, you know, being held down and all that stuff.

01:59:17.000 And it's probably the fact that they had to evolve because otherwise they'd get injured if they didn't get lubricated.

01:59:24.000 I read that and I was like, well, good luck with that.

01:59:26.000 But she was a female anthropologist. 0.99

01:59:28.000 I can't remember her fucking name. 0.99

01:59:30.000 But I was like, well, can you imagine coming up with that article? 0.99

01:59:33.000 And this is my thesis in anthropology in Amherst College, everybody.

01:59:38.000 Well, it's a very objective thought process.

01:59:42.000 Evolution.

01:59:42.000 It's just evolution.

01:59:44.000 It's called evolving and dealing with aggression the way the ducks did.

01:59:48.000 Well, and also dealing with the natural world that you find yourself in, which is just filled with danger and murder and constant warfare.

01:59:55.000 I mean, that's what people did.

01:59:57.000 That's all people did.

01:59:58.000 I mean, there was states of peace interrupted by war.

02:00:01.000 Yeah.

02:00:01.000 And states of peace.

02:00:02.000 I mean, Genghis Khan and his children and his armies killed 10% of the population of the world during his lifetime. 0.63

02:00:11.000 That's amazing.

02:00:12.000 There's a New York Times article they wrote where they were saying that he altered the carbon footprint of human beings on Earth, a measurable altering of the carbon footprint because it killed so many people.

02:00:25.000 You could measure the difference in the amount of people that were there before him and after him by core samples.

02:00:33.000 Well, you know, Hitler did something similar in the Russian countryside.

02:00:36.000 He killed entire villages because he was trying to clear an area for sort of the migration of the German peoples.

02:00:45.000 The idea that, you know, let's get rid of these sort of people that think and talk differently and let's create a utopia. 0.99

02:00:52.000 Well, what Genghis Khan did that was so fucked up is he did it all before there was even guns. 0.99

02:00:57.000 Yeah, I mean, Jesus Christ. 0.99

02:00:58.000 They were doing it with bows and arrows.

02:00:59.000 They killed somewhere in the neighborhood of 50 to 70 million people while he was alive.

02:01:06.000 Well, he said, I think what he said was really neat.

02:01:09.000 I never forgot.

02:01:09.000 He said the Romans would create a wasteland and call it peace.

02:01:14.000 And to an extent, the Genghis Khan did the same thing. 0.75

02:01:19.000 Well, not only that, what's interesting is how history looks at them now.

02:01:23.000 That's one of the things that Dan Carlin was talking about.

02:01:26.000 Carlin was talking about how people tend to look in the future.

02:01:31.000 They'll look at...

02:01:32.000 And he was actually using it in terms of like...

02:01:36.000 Would people do this with the Nazis? 0.81

02:01:38.000 When enough time has passed, you can say, well, he cleared the road for trade to the East.

02:01:44.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:01:45.000 What was the silver lining in massive genocide?

02:01:49.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:01:50.000 Very controversial, but of course, with everything, it goes back to exactly what we were talking about, where Where when you come up in the ghetto, you might just create Miles Davis. 0.88

02:01:59.000 I mean, there's a lot of heartache and terrible things, and from shit is the brightest flower, that kind of stuff.

02:02:04.000 Yeah, and once there's enough time passed, then you can sort of look at it with this distance, and you can kind of objectively look at it and go, well, you know, here's the benefit of that. 0.97

02:02:14.000 Here's the silver lining.

02:02:15.000 Where that doesn't really hold up, though, is if you look at where the bulk of innovation and artistic expression on a high level came out of.

02:02:25.000 It came out of free societies.

02:02:27.000 I mean, look at what Sparta left behind?

02:02:29.000 Nothing.

02:02:30.000 And look at what Athens left behind.

02:02:32.000 Right.

02:02:32.000 Well, sort of, but Sparta left behind a deep history of warriors.

02:02:36.000 Mythology, though.

02:02:37.000 But nothing you can really hang your hat on.

02:02:39.000 In other words, story and talk about hardship and separating a child from his mother and all that stuff.

02:02:45.000 Gerard Butler, 300. And kicking people into wells.

02:02:49.000 But yes, there's a mythology, a warrior ethos that you can, you know, kind of, I'm a Spartan. 0.96

02:02:56.000 But Athens, the Acropolis and the writings of the great philosophy, the butt-fucking, the idea of demos, democracy, demos the people. 0.66

02:03:07.000 These are ideas.

02:03:12.000 Look at, in today's world, the amount of innovation that's coming out of a peaceful society, and a society that respects other people's ideas, and a society that, for the most part, at least from a historical perspective, gives a great deal of freedom and benefit to those that have the guts to come up with their own ideas.

02:03:32.000 Well, that's the interesting aspect about what the United States is as this Experiment and self-government and what it is what it started off as what it is currently Is that this is the most recent of countries and it's also the one that has overwhelmingly the most innovation the most artistic Contributions we're pioneers,

02:03:55.000 but there's so much that comes out of here in terms of comedy Film.

02:04:00.000 I mean, obviously the rest of the world has its contributions.

02:04:03.000 I'm not saying that the United States is the best.

02:04:05.000 I mean, the Beatles came out of England.

02:04:06.000 There's a lot of amazing works of art that come out all over the world.

02:04:09.000 But this country is a hotbed of artistic expression and innovation.

02:04:15.000 By far and away the biggest.

02:04:18.000 And it's the most recent.

02:04:19.000 Now, the oldest country that we know of, the cradle of civilization, is the Middle East.

02:04:24.000 Yeah, Iraq, Babylon. 0.94

02:04:25.000 And those are the townies of the world.

02:04:28.000 This is a thought that I've been bouncing around for a long time. 0.99

02:04:31.000 This is the reason why those places are so fucked up. 0.98

02:04:34.000 It's because the echoes of savages, the echoes of these ancient people are still in this area. 0.99

02:04:40.000 It's so difficult. 0.99

02:04:41.000 You've got to get out of the fucking town, man. 1.00

02:04:43.000 You've got to leave the town. 1.00

02:04:44.000 Well, but see, the great tragedy is that, and they've done a lot of studies on why do some nations...

02:04:50.000 Why do some nations fail and why do some nations become prosperous?

02:04:55.000 And you can break it down into a number of things.

02:04:58.000 You can see the problem with the Middle East is for a thousand reasons we can get into.

02:05:02.000 And a lot of it was just foreign invasion and foreign meddling and stuff like that.

02:05:06.000 How about Genghis Khan?

02:05:08.000 Yes.

02:05:08.000 I mean, what he did to Baghdad in 1260. Yeah, well they say that to this day Baghdad maybe still hasn't recovered from them invading and they said that the rivers ran red with blood and ink, black with ink, like all the amazing works.

02:05:24.000 The libraries burned and everything else.

02:05:25.000 Yeah, Islamic scholars throughout history were like innovators.

02:05:29.000 They were like the head of math, philosophy, of course.

02:05:34.000 And a lot of people say that the Middle East has never even recovered, has never quite recovered from that.

02:05:40.000 But, you know, there are so many important things for why a nation, you know, for example, one is that your political parties that lose Live to see another day.

02:05:51.000 That is very important. 0.99

02:05:53.000 When you lose an election in a lot of countries, like the hardliners, and somebody said to me, I said, why are the hardliners in Iran such a pain in the ass? 0.99

02:06:00.000 He goes, because if they lose, they will die. 0.99

02:06:03.000 That's a very important thing to keep in mind.

02:06:05.000 So when you have power and your survival depends on holding on to power, you're going to have a secret police that basically is pretty brutal when they sniff any kind of insurrection.

02:06:22.000 We're good to go.

02:06:31.000 The election after that war to go as it would.

02:06:35.000 They didn't resort to violence.

02:06:37.000 That's so unique in history.

02:06:38.000 But our country and the UK and Australia and Canada and a couple other countries, when you lose, democracy is built on the idea that when your political party loses, you live to see another day and fight on.

02:06:52.000 Very important.

02:06:53.000 The other is property rights.

02:06:55.000 You need property rights.

02:06:56.000 The other is courts that mean something.

02:06:58.000 And the other is the scientific method.

02:07:00.000 You have to embrace the scientific method.

02:07:03.000 A society has to say that it's not about superstition.

02:07:06.000 This is not a theology.

02:07:08.000 Let's base reality on what you can measure and what you can see. 0.94

02:07:13.000 Those things are so fucking important.

02:07:15.000 If you don't have those Those central principles as a through line, if that's not the scaffolding of your society, you're just not going to do as well as a country like the United States. 0.96

02:07:28.000 You're not going to have people that innovate because there's no fucking incentive.

02:07:32.000 There's no incentive in it. 0.96

02:07:33.000 You're not going to benefit from it.

02:07:34.000 You could get it stolen or you could be killed because you think differently or all those things.

02:07:40.000 Well, also, you're not safe enough to innovate.

02:07:41.000 Yeah.

02:07:42.000 You don't have the ability to express yourself.

02:07:44.000 You don't have the ability to take chances.

02:07:46.000 Yeah, so the irony, the ironic thing is when you're sensitive and nice to people, when you're empathetic, and when you're respectful of other people, even the ones you disagree with, You make a stronger society.

02:07:59.000 Your society is stronger in every way, including militarily.

02:08:03.000 Including you have more innovation with weaponry.

02:08:06.000 And on that note!

02:08:07.000 God, I'm smart, guys. 1.00

02:08:08.000 Did you write that shit down? 1.00

02:08:10.000 You're amazing. 1.00

02:08:10.000 You have your own podcast? 1.00

02:08:12.000 I got more own podcast.

02:08:13.000 And by the way, I'm taking that podcast on the road with a guy named Brendan Schaub.

02:08:16.000 Oh, that's a different podcast.

02:08:17.000 Oh, no, this is...

02:08:18.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:08:18.000 But let's talk about the fighter and kid for a second.

02:08:20.000 Because Brennan will beat me up if I don't talk about this.

02:08:23.000 What?

02:08:23.000 He beats you up?

02:08:24.000 July 29th.

02:08:24.000 He hits me.

02:08:25.000 He strikes me with an open hand.

02:08:26.000 Oh. 0.98

02:08:27.000 He pulls my pants down and spanks me. 0.99

02:08:28.000 And you know he could. 0.85

02:08:29.000 And I couldn't do anything about it.

02:08:30.000 And I've tried.

02:08:31.000 I've tried to fight him.

02:08:32.000 And it bothers me.

02:08:33.000 Because sometimes I get jumpy with him.

02:08:34.000 I get jumpy and I'll get underhooks on him.

02:08:36.000 He's a giant.

02:08:37.000 No, no, no.

02:08:37.000 He's weird.

02:08:38.000 He's weird gianty.

02:08:39.000 He...

02:08:40.000 I tried...

02:08:40.000 Well, you're kind of tiny.

02:08:42.000 Yeah.

02:08:42.000 Dude, don't use that word.

02:08:43.000 Just say medium.

02:08:44.000 All right?

02:08:45.000 Just say medium.

02:08:45.000 Kind of medium, I guess?

02:08:46.000 I said the other day, I said, I don't believe you could...

02:08:48.000 I don't believe if we were to go take them for takedown.

02:08:52.000 And I tried to do a little upper body Greco with them. 0.64

02:08:54.000 Yeah.

02:08:55.000 Yeah.

02:08:55.000 And it didn't go well.

02:08:56.000 And I got so flustered and hurt. 0.99

02:08:57.000 I actually tweaked my neck that I left my wallet and my phone on my fucking car. 1.00

02:09:01.000 And you drove off. 0.99

02:09:02.000 I let Brendan's brother drive my car.

02:09:04.000 And I... Yeah.

02:09:05.000 You smashed your phone.

02:09:06.000 Yeah.

02:09:07.000 Yeah, we've been talking about that recently, that I think that people have a massive overestimation, massive, of what they can and can't do with their body.

02:09:17.000 Hang around Brendan Schaub.

02:09:18.000 Hang around Brendan Schaub.

02:09:19.000 Forget Brendan Schaub.

02:09:20.000 We played this video of these people that put on these gigantic balloon suits and let bulls hit them.

02:09:27.000 What?

02:09:28.000 You haven't seen this?

02:09:29.000 No!

02:09:29.000 We'll end on this.

02:09:30.000 Okay. 0.99

02:09:30.000 It's fucking insane that these people want to do this. 0.99

02:09:33.000 I want to see this. 0.98

02:09:33.000 But I think people have this idea in their head that, oh, the bull's coming. 0.98

02:09:37.000 I'm going to be fine. 0.99

02:09:38.000 I'll just fucking get out of the way. 0.99

02:09:39.000 You don't realize. 0.99

02:09:40.000 They massively overestimate what they can and can't do with their body.

02:09:44.000 How they can move their body.

02:09:44.000 I've got to see this.

02:09:45.000 By the way, while we're watching this, July 29th, 30th, Phoenix Stand-Up Live.

02:09:50.000 We're there.

02:09:51.000 We still have some tickets left.

02:09:52.000 Live Fighter and the Kid podcast show.

02:09:55.000 It's a show.

02:09:56.000 Me and Brennan Shaw.

02:09:57.000 Brennan Shaw will be doing new stand-up.

02:09:59.000 I'm very excited.

02:10:00.000 Watch this. 1.00

02:10:01.000 So these assholes, look at this. 1.00

02:10:03.000 No. 1.00

02:10:03.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:10:04.000 Meanwhile, their legs.

02:10:05.000 Like, say goodbye to your ACL. Look at this.

02:10:06.000 Watch this.

02:10:07.000 Boom! 0.99

02:10:09.000 Boom! 0.99

02:10:10.000 Holy cow. 0.89

02:10:11.000 I mean, these are massive, massive animals.

02:10:14.000 Bulls are so mean.

02:10:15.000 And meanwhile, they just eat grass.

02:10:17.000 He looks like he's not hurt.

02:10:18.000 I wonder if bulls would be nicer if they had a steak.

02:10:22.000 Wait for it.

02:10:22.000 Yeah, because it gets worse.

02:10:23.000 Like, this guy, he's like, oh, jeez, man. 1.00

02:10:26.000 This is fucked up. 0.99

02:10:28.000 This has just started. 1.00

02:10:30.000 Meanwhile, people are laughing.

02:10:31.000 This is what people in rural environments do.

02:10:33.000 They laugh.

02:10:35.000 They, oh, man!

02:10:36.000 Go get him! 0.99

02:10:37.000 Boom! 1.00

02:10:38.000 Look at the fucking air that guy got. 1.00

02:10:42.000 The air that gentleman got. 1.00

02:10:44.000 Oh, my lord. 1.00

02:10:45.000 Yeah, that guy is fucked. 1.00

02:10:46.000 And he hit him again while he's out cold. 1.00

02:10:48.000 I mean, that dude flew through the air.

02:10:51.000 Flew.

02:10:51.000 Oh!

02:10:52.000 What about your legs, bro?

02:10:54.000 One more time.

02:10:55.000 Boom! 0.99

02:10:56.000 Exactly.

02:10:57.000 Well, it seems like that bull doesn't have horns.

02:10:59.000 They probably sawed their horns off. 1.00

02:11:00.000 Good God!

02:11:01.000 But whatever, that's not saving you.

02:11:02.000 I might have to do that, but I don't have the guts.

02:11:04.000 No, you shouldn't do that.

02:11:05.000 Well, there's other ones.

02:11:06.000 This is one that we looked at.

02:11:07.000 They figured out a way to do it better.

02:11:09.000 Okay.

02:11:10.000 And the better one is a much larger ball where you're completely encased the ball.

02:11:14.000 Yes, that's better.

02:11:15.000 Your legs. 1.00

02:11:15.000 You can't have it from your fucking waist down because your legs are like super flexible or super weak. 1.00

02:11:21.000 Yeah, I don't want my knees getting broken by a bull's head. 1.00

02:11:25.000 And they will get broken by a bull's head.

02:11:27.000 They'll get mangled.

02:11:28.000 Yeah, you got the other one?

02:11:29.000 Oh, you don't?

02:11:30.000 Okay.

02:11:31.000 Well, there's other videos of them doing it where they figure, well, this is not safe enough.

02:11:36.000 We got to get a much larger box.

02:11:38.000 You hear the people in the audience? 0.99

02:11:40.000 That's what happens when you get a bunch of farmers and they're drunk and they just wind up fucking each other. 0.99

02:11:44.000 On the sneak tip. 1.00

02:11:45.000 Well, I don't know if they keep fucking each other. 1.00

02:11:46.000 They fuck each other like crazy, those people. 1.00

02:11:49.000 There's no one around. 1.00

02:11:50.000 There's like fucking 30 people in the town. 1.00

02:11:52.000 They're all fucking each other's wives. 1.00

02:11:53.000 Of course. 1.00

02:11:54.000 Snaking around.

02:11:55.000 Hey, I don't think your husband's a true Christian.

02:11:57.000 You know, I just see the way he talks to you and just makes me feel terrible about it.

02:12:02.000 Oh, I don't feel...

02:12:02.000 Can you rub my neck?

02:12:04.000 Next thing you know...

02:12:06.000 Kid's got red hair. 0.98

02:12:08.000 No, that's cum. 0.99

02:12:09.000 I don't make that noise when I cum. 0.99

02:12:11.000 That's a lot of cum. 0.94

02:12:13.000 I'm like, you're welcome. 0.99

02:12:14.000 This is for you.

02:12:15.000 You've earned it. 1.00

02:12:18.000 I fart and cum at the same time. 1.00

02:12:21.000 Take it, my nectar. 0.99

02:12:22.000 Yeah.

02:12:23.000 Alright, guys.

02:12:24.000 Goodnight, everybody.

02:12:25.000 It's Phoenix Live.

02:12:26.000 See ya.

02:12:27.000 July 29th and 30th.

02:12:29.000 Brian Callen, Brennan Schaub.

02:12:30.000 B-R-Y-A-N Callen. 1.00

02:12:32.000 There's probably some asshole pretending to be Brian. 1.00

02:12:34.000 That's B-R-I-A-N Callen. 1.00

02:12:35.000 Yeah, B-R-Y-A-N. Is there an I-N? Probably. 1.00

02:12:37.000 That bastard. 1.00

02:12:38.000 Come see me in Oxnard, too. 1.00

02:12:40.000 Where are you in Oxnard?

02:12:40.000 Levity Live.

02:12:41.000 Oh, the new club.

02:12:42.000 Yeah, August 4th and 5th.

02:12:44.000 That's gotta be great.

02:12:45.000 August 4th and 5th. 1.00

02:12:46.000 Those Levity clubs are always the shit. 1.00

02:12:47.000 Joe Rogan's opening for me. 1.00

02:12:47.000 Rogan's opening. 1.00

02:12:48.000 Okay.

02:12:49.000 What day?

02:12:49.000 August 4th and 5th.

02:12:50.000 Can you come?

02:12:51.000 Um, let me find out.

02:12:52.000 Let me find out what I'm doing.

02:12:53.000 Yeah!

02:12:54.000 It could be! 1.00

02:12:55.000 Alright, you fucks. 0.99

02:12:56.000 See you soon. 1.00

02:12:56.000 Bye. 1.00

02:12:57.000 Bye.

The Joe Rogan Experience - July 21, 2016

Joe Rogan Experience #824 - Bryan Callen

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