The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #83

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00:00:13.000 The Joe Rogan Experience What the fuck is up ladies and gentlemen?

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00:01:04.000 Boss Ruten, have you ever seen one of these things before?

00:01:05.000 No, I've never seen them.

00:01:06.000 No one has had sex with us.

00:01:07.000 It's clean.

00:01:08.000 You can feel it.

00:01:08.000 It's amazing.

00:01:10.000 Amazing device.

00:01:12.000 American ingenuity at its best.

00:01:13.000 Wow.

00:01:14.000 What are you doing?

00:01:14.000 You heat it up in the microwave?

00:01:16.000 I don't recommend that.

00:01:18.000 I think that could damage your penis.

00:01:21.000 You know what?

00:01:22.000 Did you see?

00:01:23.000 They call it the jerk-off cups.

00:01:25.000 They have cups in Japan.

00:01:27.000 And you, I swear to God, it has a little, like, celery thing on it, you know, so to keep it moist, and there's a little hole in it, and it's actually, you can use it, and then throw away.

00:01:38.000 My buddy...

00:01:39.000 What?

00:01:39.000 Yeah, we went up to the room.

00:01:42.000 My buddy goes right away, and he says, man, they're reusable.

00:01:44.000 I say, man...

00:01:47.000 That was not right.

00:01:48.000 The best was that my other friend, he forgot it in a little paper bag and there were some porn magazines in the bag also.

00:01:56.000 So when we left up, I was at the Tokyo in the Hilton Hotel.

00:01:59.000 We walked up and this little girl goes, sir, you forgot your...

00:02:03.000 And she looks in there and she looks at my body and she's like in shock and he goes, yeah, I know.

00:02:09.000 So she knows exactly what it is.

00:02:10.000 Exactly what it is.

00:02:11.000 It's very common in Japan.

00:02:12.000 There are a bunch of freaks over there, right?

00:02:14.000 And they're only this small.

00:02:16.000 Wow.

00:02:16.000 Yeah, so the whole cup.

00:02:18.000 The whole cup, so your penis can only go in, it's for small penises?

00:02:21.000 I guess you have to make a hole in the other side.

00:02:24.000 Yeah, well how does that work?

00:02:25.000 It's not designed for American or Dutch cocks, right?

00:02:30.000 For those who don't know who we're talking to, this is a true mixed martial arts legend, a real pioneer.

00:02:37.000 Bas Rutten was a former UFC heavyweight champion, and when I first saw Bas fight, I saw you fight back before there was any real good striking in mixed martial arts.

00:02:46.000 Mixed martial arts, a lot of it was karate guys that weren't that good.

00:02:50.000 There was a few people that were just wild and crazy that were getting in there and trying it.

00:02:55.000 And there was...

00:02:56.000 Pancrase was going on over in Japan.

00:02:58.000 And a buddy of mine had sent me a tape.

00:03:00.000 And they had said...

00:03:01.000 I forget who gave me the tape.

00:03:02.000 But he goes, you got to watch this motherfucker, Bas Rutten.

00:03:05.000 There's finally a guy who's over there that knows how to strike.

00:03:08.000 And you were...

00:03:10.000 Blastin' guys!

00:03:11.000 Like in Pancras, it was a lot of like, they had these shin pads on for folks who haven't seen it.

00:03:16.000 And you weren't allowed to punch to the face, but you could use open palms.

00:03:20.000 So what Boss figured out how to do was pull his hand way back So he was punching with his palm where everybody else was doing bitch slaps.

00:03:30.000 Boss was blasting guys with straight right palms and knocking them unconscious and body kicks that they just couldn't believe how much pain they were in.

00:03:38.000 You were one of the first guys from Holland, that hard Dutch style of kickboxing to enter into mixed martial arts.

00:03:48.000 I used that already, palm strikes, when I was a bouncer.

00:03:51.000 Because I didn't like to mess up my fists.

00:03:53.000 And I always thought, you have a way longer reach.

00:03:56.000 Like for instance, a left hook, right, straight.

00:03:58.000 That combination is great, but if you connect with the left hook, you're too close for the straight punch.

00:04:03.000 And the longer the punch is, the more power it has.

00:04:06.000 So I said, why don't I hit with a palm?

00:04:07.000 Because then it becomes almost as long as my straight punch, so the straight will have more effect.

00:04:12.000 You know, and then people started thinking, and I said, if you hit behind the ear, if you can see when I'm fighting, I'm hitting right here, just behind the ear, at the jaw, where the jaw starts.

00:04:21.000 And if you tap it there, yeah, you'll drop.

00:04:24.000 Well, you're one of those guys, too.

00:04:25.000 You analyze different ways to attack opponents, and that's why you've got all these videos online of self-defense techniques in bars.

00:04:32.000 If you haven't seen these videos, have you seen them, Ryan?

00:04:34.000 The music video ones, one I love.

00:04:35.000 Fucking fantastic.

00:04:37.000 No, sorry, I'm not sorry.

00:04:39.000 Bang, bang, bang.

00:04:41.000 Oh, looky, look what we got here.

00:04:43.000 How did that get started?

00:04:44.000 How did you start doing those?

00:04:46.000 It was the funniest thing.

00:04:47.000 I made the big...

00:04:48.000 Boss Rudin's big books of combat.

00:04:50.000 Yeah, I had that.

00:04:51.000 And then I promised that the first 300 people were going to get a self-defense book, a small one, a small book, like a 50-page book or something.

00:05:01.000 But then this guy screwed me over with the books and...

00:05:04.000 And when that all happened, you know, I left this guy, but I came back to him, I said, listen, I told the people that the first 300 were going to get it, and I want to keep my word, but I don't want to do anything with this guy anymore, because, you know, he took too much from me already.

00:05:17.000 So anyway, we said, why don't I make a video?

00:05:21.000 We do an instructional DVD and then we give that to the first 300 people.

00:05:25.000 Oh, that's great.

00:05:25.000 I said, what do you want to do?

00:05:26.000 I said, well, get the camera.

00:05:27.000 It was like totally non-scripted, you know, when we started at the bar.

00:05:31.000 How funny was that, you know, that I go around the bar and I see a little, what do you call it, a saucer or something.

00:05:37.000 I said, okay, well, this you can throw at him to distract.

00:05:39.000 You can break it.

00:05:40.000 Now he's got sharp edges.

00:05:41.000 You can slice him, you know.

00:05:43.000 And then when I go to that thing that holds the receipt, you know, that pin, I grab it and I look at the thing and I go...

00:05:49.000 I don't need to tell you what you can do with this.

00:05:52.000 It was the funniest.

00:05:53.000 We had to stop so many times that we were dying laughing.

00:05:56.000 And that's all one take, no preparation.

00:05:58.000 Nothing.

00:05:59.000 Well, see, you don't have to worry about things.

00:06:00.000 You think like that all the time.

00:06:02.000 Yeah.

00:06:03.000 And being a bouncer, that is one...

00:06:05.000 I've never been a bouncer, but I did...

00:06:06.000 Well, I actually did work as a bouncer at a concert place at Great Woods.

00:06:10.000 It was a concert center.

00:06:11.000 And there was a lot of fights.

00:06:13.000 You're constantly dealing with fights.

00:06:14.000 But that's...

00:06:14.000 It's different than a bar, because a bar is more dangerous, it's more contained.

00:06:18.000 The concert place is big and wide open.

00:06:19.000 It was an outdoor venue.

00:06:20.000 You know, when you're at a bar, you must have seen a lot of shit, especially in Holland.

00:06:25.000 Holland's a fucking crazy place.

00:06:27.000 It is.

00:06:27.000 It is a crazy place.

00:06:29.000 You have to watch out.

00:06:29.000 And, you know, I wasn't in that era that they really started to come with the weapons.

00:06:34.000 I was always fortunate, you know, to...

00:06:36.000 The big guys would come in and they would actually give their guns to us.

00:06:40.000 You know, we put them to the side.

00:06:42.000 Guys would come in with their guns?

00:06:44.000 Oh yeah, and we would restore them for them before they went in.

00:06:48.000 Holy shit.

00:06:49.000 Yeah, it was crazy.

00:06:50.000 You know, one guy, it was high up.

00:06:53.000 That was actually cool because I worked there only for like two weeks.

00:06:56.000 It was a big place.

00:06:58.000 The Galaxy in Sertogenbos.

00:07:00.000 And a very known place.

00:07:02.000 I guess a big place.

00:07:02.000 Had some epic fights there, man.

00:07:04.000 Really cool.

00:07:05.000 And this guy walks in and he made something broke out.

00:07:08.000 And right away, the big guy, the guy who was on the top of the ladder, he grabbed me from the front and he bear hugged me.

00:07:15.000 And he says, we're just going to stand like this.

00:07:17.000 And I said, whoa, I just want to take the worst one, the most dangerous one, I just want to hold you like this.

00:07:24.000 So that was kind of a compliment because all the other sponsors heard it and they go like, who's this guy, you know?

00:07:28.000 And then the world starts to travel, you know how it goes.

00:07:32.000 So, Holland, the fights that happen in Holland and bars, it seems to happen a lot with MMA guys.

00:07:38.000 I know you've been in a bunch of them.

00:07:39.000 Alistair Overeem fucked up his hand.

00:07:42.000 Badr Hari got in a big one.

00:07:43.000 You know, it's just constantly.

00:07:45.000 Kickboxers and MMA guys are always getting in bar fights in Holland.

00:07:48.000 It's the bouncers.

00:07:49.000 The bouncers really think that they can do something.

00:07:52.000 And I don't know why.

00:07:53.000 Maybe it is because they got more of them and they think, you know...

00:07:57.000 So they give you shit?

00:07:58.000 They want to test themselves because they know who you are?

00:08:01.000 Do you find that because you have such a reputation, do you find that guys get drunk and then they want to test themselves with you?

00:08:08.000 Does that happen?

00:08:09.000 I had that till that whole bar fight in Sweden happened.

00:08:14.000 And after that, for some reason, I never had it anymore.

00:08:17.000 And what was the bar fight in Sweden?

00:08:18.000 Because that was very famous.

00:08:20.000 That was all over the internet.

00:08:21.000 What happened with that?

00:08:23.000 Well, I walked in...

00:08:24.000 What year was this?

00:08:25.000 Oh God, I don't know.

00:08:27.000 It was like...

00:08:28.000 96 or 97. So you weren't the UFC champion then?

00:08:32.000 No, no, no.

00:08:32.000 When did you win the UFC? Was it 99?

00:08:34.000 99, I think, yeah.

00:08:36.000 So, but they, you know, people knew about you from kickboxing and from MMA. You were already famous in the MMA world and the, you know, the...

00:08:43.000 Oh yeah, yeah, I was there for a seminar, people knew me, you know, and the bouncers right away when I came in, they say, hey Ruten, stay calm tonight.

00:08:50.000 And there was a little alarm bell going off in my mind, you know, maybe I shouldn't go in.

00:08:54.000 But I go, ah, I was drunk already.

00:08:56.000 Why not, right?

00:08:58.000 So I go in with my buddy, crazy friend from Holland, not a house.

00:09:02.000 And sure enough, they started, they suddenly asked me, because I'm jumping around and having fun, you know, hey, what's up, hey, what's up, everybody?

00:09:10.000 And I tried to make friends with everybody, tried to speak Swedish.

00:09:14.000 And they say, can you come with us?

00:09:16.000 So we go through these two doors and there's a big fire stairs, like a marble stairs, giant.

00:09:22.000 And he says, well, we want you to leave.

00:09:24.000 I said, why?

00:09:25.000 I said, well, you're too much energy.

00:09:27.000 You're flopping around.

00:09:28.000 It's not good.

00:09:28.000 You're bothering the customers.

00:09:32.000 I said, sure, okay.

00:09:34.000 But can you tell my friend?

00:09:35.000 My buddy's over here.

00:09:36.000 He's also from Holland.

00:09:37.000 Can you tell him that I'm gone?

00:09:38.000 Because otherwise, you know, he can't find me.

00:09:41.000 So they didn't expect that.

00:09:43.000 They thought I was going to do something, of course.

00:09:45.000 So he pushes me.

00:09:46.000 And I said, why would you push me?

00:09:48.000 I said, I want to go.

00:09:49.000 It's okay, you know, I don't want any trouble.

00:09:51.000 And he stopped putting his finger on my chest, which is something I really can't stand, right?

00:09:55.000 So I said, okay, don't touch me because if, you know, if you do that again, it's going to go wrong.

00:10:00.000 And sure enough, they were looking for a fight, of course.

00:10:02.000 He did it again.

00:10:02.000 So I pushed him and another guy behind him jumped over him and he stabbed the finger in my eye.

00:10:08.000 I said, guys, come on, let's stop this right now.

00:10:10.000 I don't want to boop my other eye.

00:10:12.000 And there I went, boom.

00:10:14.000 And that guy went down.

00:10:16.000 He went down like one point.

00:10:18.000 I've never seen anything.

00:10:19.000 I heard him over the music.

00:10:22.000 Yeah, that was the wildest thing ever.

00:10:24.000 And then they had these little microphones, right?

00:10:27.000 So with, yeah, I don't know, but fast.

00:10:29.000 It was like, it was five guys, four or five guys.

00:10:32.000 And they start fighting me.

00:10:33.000 And the guy that I knocked out constantly, because he would wake up, right?

00:10:37.000 And everything went good and went good.

00:10:39.000 But then I started realizing, wait a minute.

00:10:42.000 These guys are going to come back up all the time.

00:10:45.000 This is going to come to an end.

00:10:46.000 I've got to get the hell out of here.

00:10:47.000 So you're knocking them down.

00:10:49.000 So you're hitting them.

00:10:49.000 They're falling down.

00:10:50.000 Everyone that's coming at you, you're knocking down.

00:10:51.000 But you're realizing you've got to get out of here.

00:10:53.000 I had to get out of there.

00:10:54.000 And there's one part, until this day, I have no clue what this was.

00:10:57.000 I'm falling against the wall.

00:10:59.000 And there's a hole in the wall, you know, with a little bar in front of it.

00:11:05.000 And there's broomsticks.

00:11:07.000 Broomsticks.

00:11:07.000 But no brooms on broomsticks.

00:11:10.000 So I'm grabbing one, but right away when I grab one, I think to myself, I say, if I grab one, they're going to grab one.

00:11:17.000 So I leave it.

00:11:19.000 But they passed it, and they all took a freaking broomstick.

00:11:23.000 And I go, oh, you know?

00:11:27.000 Now you're fighting five guys with broomsticks.

00:11:30.000 It was wild.

00:11:31.000 And then I had to get the hell out of there.

00:11:34.000 So I went all the way down.

00:11:35.000 And I remember to this day, it was a door that, you know, one of these copper things that you have to push in and then you open up.

00:11:41.000 So I click and it's closed.

00:11:42.000 And I'm going, okay.

00:11:44.000 Yeah, now what?

00:11:45.000 So I turned around and I thought, okay, now I'm going to go only for the eyes.

00:11:49.000 I'm going to hit him in the throat.

00:11:51.000 I'm going to kick him in the balls.

00:11:52.000 That's the only thing I'm going to go for now.

00:11:54.000 And they looked at me and they all stepped back.

00:11:56.000 So I go, whoa, they can't see I'm in business, right?

00:11:59.000 But behind me is the whole police force.

00:12:03.000 Outside, because there were windows.

00:12:05.000 So they throw me in jail, because apparently one of those bouncers was a cop, and I knocked him out of course also, but he never told me that he was a cop, otherwise I wouldn't have done that.

00:12:18.000 Anyway, we're there and this is also, this is actually a funny story because before this all happened, I'm talking to my wife and I'm already tanked, right?

00:12:25.000 And she says, why are you laughing?

00:12:27.000 Why you have so much fun?

00:12:27.000 I said, honey, I'm drunk.

00:12:29.000 I'm having a lot of fun.

00:12:30.000 She says, no, you're there with two Swedish blonde girls, huh?

00:12:32.000 I said, honey, don't worry about it.

00:12:34.000 You know me.

00:12:34.000 If I'm drunk, you know, I don't care about anything, especially not that.

00:12:38.000 I just want to have fun.

00:12:39.000 So after two days, they allowed me to give my first phone call.

00:12:43.000 And I'm calling my wife and she's freaking out.

00:12:46.000 I said, honey, you got to be...

00:12:47.000 Okay, relax, relax.

00:12:48.000 I said, I got some good and some bad news.

00:12:49.000 What do you want to hear first?

00:12:50.000 She said, the good news.

00:12:52.000 I said, I didn't fuck two Swedish girls.

00:12:56.000 She says the bad news that I'm in jail.

00:12:59.000 She's going to hate me for this story because every time she says, you should tell us.

00:13:04.000 It's not funny.

00:13:05.000 I think that's a hell of a story.

00:13:07.000 You can't write it.

00:13:09.000 It's like a movie.

00:13:10.000 Yeah, true story.

00:13:11.000 That's an outstanding story.

00:13:13.000 So how did you get out of the country?

00:13:15.000 What happened?

00:13:16.000 You know what?

00:13:17.000 I asked them if they pressed charges and they said no.

00:13:21.000 So I said, okay, I'm not going to press charges either.

00:13:23.000 But apparently they did press charges.

00:13:26.000 And then I had to go to court.

00:13:27.000 So I get this lawyer.

00:13:29.000 And also, you know, they drive me from the normal police station to jail, right?

00:13:34.000 This is like a movie, Joe.

00:13:35.000 You drive into a mountain and the road stops in the middle of a mountain.

00:13:41.000 Head out, there's an elevator.

00:13:43.000 Or like two elevators, I don't know.

00:13:45.000 But I go in the elevator, I go like four stories up.

00:13:47.000 I go out, take another elevator, go like two down.

00:13:50.000 Go out, take another elevator, go like six up.

00:13:54.000 I go home, where am I, you know?

00:13:56.000 It was some weird jail with, I was sitting there with like murderers and rapists.

00:14:01.000 It was the wildest thing ever, but all the guards knew me.

00:14:05.000 So I had a VCR. I had coffee, cookies.

00:14:09.000 I was playing cards with the guards.

00:14:11.000 They actually gave me my phone.

00:14:12.000 They said, oh, I call.

00:14:13.000 Yeah, it was nice.

00:14:15.000 So then the lawyer comes.

00:14:16.000 The lawyer goes, I say, okay, so when can I go?

00:14:19.000 And he said, well, you're probably going to get like six to nine months.

00:14:23.000 I said, well, back up now.

00:14:26.000 I said, what?

00:14:27.000 He says, yeah, one of them was a cop.

00:14:28.000 I said, you're kidding.

00:14:29.000 I said, but they started.

00:14:30.000 You said, well, they're five against one, you know?

00:14:32.000 You can't say anything.

00:14:33.000 So anyway, I went to court and then my friends, some friends in Sweden, they started, they talked, apparently they talked to those guys.

00:14:42.000 And I said, man, come on, take your charges back.

00:14:44.000 And that's what they did.

00:14:45.000 And then they let them go.

00:14:46.000 Wow.

00:14:47.000 Can you imagine six months?

00:14:49.000 Yeah, that was weird, man.

00:14:50.000 That was like a movie, like that movie with the guy from Highlander.

00:14:52.000 Remember, he made a movie one time in a jail, somewhere really weird.

00:14:56.000 Remember that?

00:14:57.000 The jail was in a mountain?

00:14:58.000 That's crazy.

00:14:59.000 It was in a freaking mountain.

00:15:00.000 That's crazy.

00:15:01.000 And then when they let you out to go your one hour a day, it was like a circle and it was divided like a pie, like an eight.

00:15:13.000 But with the fence, like you see fence, like that in eight.

00:15:16.000 So you would, you have a piece of pie, let's say, you know, that space to yourself, from here to you, to the wall there.

00:15:23.000 Wow.

00:15:23.000 And then there's another guy right next to you that has a piece, and you're not interacting with them.

00:15:27.000 You're not in the same jail as them.

00:15:29.000 You're not in the same cage as them.

00:15:30.000 No, not in the same cage.

00:15:31.000 Everybody has their own room, yeah.

00:15:33.000 How weird.

00:15:34.000 That was wild.

00:15:35.000 Yeah.

00:15:35.000 Scary stuff.

00:15:36.000 Because it's funny now, but at that moment it's really not funny.

00:15:39.000 Sweden, this is where it happened in Sweden?

00:15:41.000 In Sweden, yeah.

00:15:42.000 This is the place where all this shit is going down with WikiLeaks, where they're trying to put that guy in jail for rape because he had sex with a girl and the condom broke and he didn't tell her.

00:15:51.000 Sweden is a strange place and they take violence and crime very, very seriously over there.

00:15:57.000 The suicide rate is the highest in the world.

00:15:59.000 Really?

00:15:59.000 Yeah.

00:16:00.000 Japan is two, but Sweden is one.

00:16:02.000 Wow.

00:16:03.000 Wow.

00:16:03.000 Wow!

00:16:03.000 Why is that?

00:16:04.000 Why Sweden?

00:16:04.000 The chicks are so hot!

00:16:06.000 Yeah.

00:16:06.000 That seems like that would cut back a lot.

00:16:09.000 You know what I actually said?

00:16:10.000 Brazil!

00:16:11.000 Who's killing themselves in Brazil?

00:16:12.000 The girls are so hot!

00:16:13.000 Yeah.

00:16:14.000 You know what I mean?

00:16:15.000 It's like...

00:16:16.000 The flight over, that was a funny story too, because I would call my crazy friend from Holland, right?

00:16:20.000 So we get tanked on the plane and he says, I got to go to the restroom.

00:16:26.000 And I said, well, go!

00:16:27.000 But he sits here, the aisle is next to me, and he sits on the other side.

00:16:32.000 He said, well, but they just turned the light on because we're landing.

00:16:36.000 I said, what are you going to do?

00:16:37.000 Are they going to stop the plane?

00:16:38.000 I said, go.

00:16:39.000 Take the leak, man.

00:16:40.000 So he goes up and he's like walking up, you know, because we're going down.

00:16:44.000 He goes to the restroom and people complaining, complaining, you know, and finally he comes back.

00:16:49.000 And he wants to get in.

00:16:50.000 This is before 9-1-1, okay?

00:16:51.000 He wants to get in.

00:16:52.000 I say, no, you can't go in.

00:16:53.000 And I look to the front and I see the pilot there.

00:16:56.000 This is a true story, Joe.

00:16:57.000 I swear to this.

00:16:58.000 And the pilot, and the door is open.

00:16:59.000 I say, I want you, I let you in if you go to the front and touch the pilot's head.

00:17:04.000 And he says, okay.

00:17:05.000 So he's still walking down here like this.

00:17:08.000 And he put his hand on, yeah, on his head.

00:17:11.000 And people are like, you can't do this, but not as bad.

00:17:15.000 And for some reason, they let us into the country.

00:17:19.000 Wow.

00:17:20.000 Can you imagine if that happens now?

00:17:22.000 What are they going to do?

00:17:23.000 They're going to shoot you.

00:17:24.000 If you won't shut your cell phone off, they'll put you in jail.

00:17:28.000 Yeah.

00:17:28.000 They'll turn the plane right around and you go to jail now.

00:17:32.000 Wow.

00:17:32.000 So this was, did you say, 96, 97?

00:17:34.000 Yeah, around that time, I think.

00:17:36.000 I remember when you could get on a plane with just, you didn't even have, you didn't have a driver's license.

00:17:40.000 That's all you had to have.

00:17:41.000 You know what?

00:17:42.000 You didn't even have to have a driver's license.

00:17:44.000 I remember when you didn't get on a plane with nothing.

00:17:46.000 You just go on with a ticket.

00:17:49.000 That's what I meant.

00:17:50.000 When I used to compete, when I was doing Taekwondo tournaments, we would fly.

00:17:53.000 Oh, I had a ticket.

00:17:54.000 I didn't have a driver's license.

00:17:55.000 They told me to Canada.

00:17:56.000 For a long time, you could go with your driver's license, too, right?

00:17:59.000 To Canada, yeah.

00:18:00.000 To Canada and to Mexico.

00:18:01.000 But then the United States started being douchebags about it.

00:18:04.000 And they cut back on Mexicans and Canadians coming over here.

00:18:08.000 And so they made it more difficult.

00:18:09.000 And so Canada and Mexico made it more difficult, too.

00:18:12.000 But yeah, when I first used to go to Montreal, when I used to do the comedy festival up there, I didn't have a passport.

00:18:17.000 You got trouble at the border there all the time?

00:18:19.000 No, never.

00:18:20.000 In Canada?

00:18:20.000 Never.

00:18:21.000 For some reason, they always get me out.

00:18:21.000 I have no clue why that is.

00:18:23.000 Me too.

00:18:23.000 I have no clue.

00:18:24.000 Well, it's your record.

00:18:26.000 I mean, if you have an assault, like what happened in Sweden?

00:18:31.000 No, that was not, because they went to court and they threw it out.

00:18:33.000 It doesn't matter.

00:18:34.000 The fact that you got arrested and you went to court and all that, and you were in a jail for a little bit, even if there's no charges that stick, They still have that on your record.

00:18:42.000 Like, Eddie Bravo got arrested once for legally having a gun.

00:18:46.000 He got pulled over for a traffic violation.

00:18:48.000 This was when he was working for a check cashing company and he used to carry around a big bag of cash with him and he had to carry a gun with him.

00:18:54.000 And it was totally legal, but he had done something like not stopping on a stop sign or something like that.

00:18:59.000 So they pulled him over and he said, I just want to let you know I have a gun, a loaded gun in the car because I do this.

00:19:04.000 They arrested him.

00:19:05.000 They released him because, you know, it was all correct.

00:19:07.000 They check his paperwork.

00:19:08.000 It's all good.

00:19:09.000 It doesn't matter.

00:19:09.000 Every time he goes to Canada, every single time he gets pulled aside and they check his shit and they ask him questions and it takes like an extra hour and a half.

00:19:17.000 I got stuck with him the last time I went to Canada.

00:19:19.000 It's annoying.

00:19:19.000 It's really annoying.

00:19:20.000 Yeah.

00:19:20.000 And he had no record.

00:19:22.000 I mean, he did nothing, you know, and never stuck as a record, but just the fact that he was even arrested.

00:19:27.000 Yeah.

00:19:27.000 I had this big roided guy one time standing there all messed up and he goes, get any roids in the bag?

00:19:34.000 I look at him and I say, Royce is for Freggas.

00:19:38.000 That's what you said?

00:19:39.000 Straight in the eye.

00:19:40.000 Oh, that's funny.

00:19:42.000 And I did that same line, or nothing.

00:19:45.000 I did that same line twice, also in America.

00:19:47.000 Same thing.

00:19:48.000 I came back from Japan.

00:19:49.000 Could be the same guy.

00:19:52.000 Same thing he said.

00:19:53.000 You got any roids?

00:19:54.000 I mean, why do they ask me?

00:19:56.000 Did they ever ask you?

00:19:56.000 They always ask me.

00:19:58.000 They always ask me.

00:19:58.000 Brian's on roids.

00:19:59.000 Yeah, yeah, but you, you know, but come on.

00:20:01.000 He's on roids just to be a man.

00:20:04.000 If he wasn't on roids, he'd be a girl.

00:20:06.000 Who asked that?

00:20:08.000 Yeah.

00:20:08.000 The funny thing is you can say that roids are for faggots and he won't say anything because no guy on roids ever wants to admit they're on roids.

00:20:15.000 Even the biggest fucking, most gigantic, ridiculous human beings ever.

00:20:20.000 They're like, I'm just doing a lot of creatine, I do power lifting, I eat six Six meals a day.

00:20:24.000 Six meals a day, yeah.

00:20:25.000 How much pork?

00:20:26.000 What was it the guy took?

00:20:27.000 That's Saromsky's?

00:20:29.000 No, no, no, not Saromsky's.

00:20:30.000 The strongest man.

00:20:32.000 Puchinowski.

00:20:32.000 Puchinowski?

00:20:33.000 They were saying that he ate like...

00:20:35.000 Candy and bacon.

00:20:36.000 Yeah, but 12 pound of bacon or something.

00:20:38.000 Yeah, something silly.

00:20:38.000 Like a day something silly.

00:20:39.000 He turned purple.

00:20:41.000 Yeah.

00:20:41.000 Did you see that guy?

00:20:42.000 Yeah, when he fought Tim Silly.

00:20:42.000 Oh, yeah.

00:20:43.000 He got purple.

00:20:44.000 Like the weirdest color.

00:20:45.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:20:46.000 It's not good.

00:20:47.000 It's not good.

00:20:49.000 Bacon?

00:20:49.000 Your body's not supposed to look like that.

00:20:52.000 That is not a fighter's build.

00:20:54.000 When you see these guys...

00:20:55.000 There's guys in the UFC, a lot of times in their first couple fights, you'll see them and they come in and they're just too big.

00:21:00.000 It looks good.

00:21:01.000 And it might be good for the first 30 or 40 seconds.

00:21:04.000 That's it.

00:21:04.000 You could really gorilla fuck a guy for 30 or 40 seconds.

00:21:08.000 But then that lactic acid builds up.

00:21:11.000 Boom.

00:21:12.000 Crashing.

00:21:12.000 Yeah.

00:21:13.000 I never cared about it.

00:21:16.000 I never cared if somebody said, oh, he's on Royce.

00:21:17.000 To me, it is that you're insecure already.

00:21:22.000 There's something wrong with you because you're not happy with yourself.

00:21:25.000 Let's go to that.

00:21:26.000 And that bullshit thing that they say, but everybody does it.

00:21:30.000 I mean, it's insane.

00:21:31.000 I did this...

00:21:33.000 For the amateurs, they, you know, they're the camo.

00:21:37.000 I'm on the board of the camo.

00:21:38.000 Right.

00:21:38.000 And they asked me to go.

00:21:40.000 Camo is the, for people who don't know, the California amateur mixed martial arts organization.

00:21:45.000 Yep.

00:21:46.000 And they asked me to speak to the guys, you know, to help them out in the future once they're a pro, what to watch out for.

00:21:52.000 And then the last, the most important thing.

00:21:54.000 What is the most important thing they said?

00:21:55.000 I said, well, don't do roids.

00:21:57.000 I mean, if you already did Royce or are thinking about doing Royce, I mean, you might as well stop your career.

00:22:03.000 Because in this particular stage, right now, if you're already thinking about it, you're going to fail.

00:22:08.000 You're going to be a loser.

00:22:09.000 Because you want Royce.

00:22:10.000 I never got that.

00:22:11.000 And how dangerous is it?

00:22:13.000 You know what I hear?

00:22:13.000 The EPO, you know, people doing that.

00:22:16.000 I go, man, doesn't that make your blood really thick?

00:22:18.000 It's very dangerous and very common, by the way.

00:22:20.000 Yeah.

00:22:21.000 Boxer's been caught with it.

00:22:22.000 Sugar Shea Mosley got caught with it.

00:22:24.000 You know, EPO is what they always accuse cyclists of using.

00:22:28.000 And I had a friend who was a professional cyclist, and he was on it.

00:22:31.000 And he said that when he was on a tour, they were on a tour, they would ride on a bus, and then they would compete in these tournaments, in these races, rather.

00:22:39.000 And you would hear guys in the middle of the night unrack their bikes and go ride.

00:22:43.000 They had to.

00:22:44.000 If the heart rate goes too down or something, they can die.

00:22:47.000 Too much blood builds up in your body because what EPO simulates is it's like artificial altitude.

00:22:54.000 You know, like the same effect that happens at altitude where your blood thickens because you need more oxygen because it's a low oxygen environment.

00:23:00.000 So these guys, when they take this EPO, they have to exercise.

00:23:03.000 They'll wake up at like 3 o'clock in the morning and their parts all fucked up and they've got to get on the bike and go.

00:23:08.000 Yeah, otherwise you're going to have a heart attack or something.

00:23:10.000 Yeah, you could have strokes.

00:23:12.000 It's very dangerous.

00:23:13.000 I know mixed martial arts guys that have done it.

00:23:15.000 And I know guys that have done it that their trainer found out after the fight.

00:23:19.000 And they were like, what the fuck, man?

00:23:21.000 You've got to let us know that you're doing this so that if you get knocked out, we can tell the doctor, hey, here's something you should consider.

00:23:28.000 This guy's on fucking EPO. Use a pen as a syringe.

00:23:32.000 You need a valve like this because it's so thick.

00:23:35.000 Yes.

00:23:36.000 It's coming out like lava.

00:23:37.000 It doesn't get out.

00:23:38.000 I was talking to a Joe McCarthy and I said, you know what the new...

00:23:41.000 No, no, he asked me.

00:23:42.000 He says, you know what the newest drug is for fighting?

00:23:47.000 I said, Viagra.

00:23:49.000 And he goes, how do you know that?

00:23:51.000 I said, I read an article about it like a week before that.

00:23:54.000 And apparently, guys are doing that, taking Viagra.

00:23:57.000 And apparently, Viagra is one of these wonder...

00:24:00.000 Things.

00:24:01.000 It's really good for your kidneys, for blood pressure.

00:24:04.000 I mean, I read an article in some fitness magazine and it was like raving about it.

00:24:12.000 It's a real good medicine apparently, but can you imagine?

00:24:15.000 Well, what it does is it increases your nitric oxide and all those supplements that people take, you know, nitric burn, all these different nitric flood, all these different things.

00:24:23.000 It does the exact same thing.

00:24:25.000 It increases your nitric oxide.

00:24:26.000 That's why your dick gets hard so quick.

00:24:27.000 Your muscles fucking flare up.

00:24:29.000 And veins get packed.

00:24:29.000 Yeah, until it goes to the ground, then it'll be uncomfortable.

00:24:34.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:24:35.000 What are you doing?

00:24:36.000 It's nice to keep your cup in place.

00:24:38.000 A little tickle tickle.

00:24:38.000 Depends on if you have a dick that could fit into one of those Japanese masturbation cups.

00:24:43.000 People might not even ever know.

00:24:45.000 Yeah, that was funny.

00:24:49.000 You're one of the few guys that has gone through a mixed martial arts career and has successfully transitioned to a broadcasting career.

00:25:01.000 You're very smart in how you handled it because first of all, you didn't take too many fights.

00:25:06.000 You didn't go with your ego and have fights after you were busy with other things or weren't fully concentrated on it.

00:25:13.000 You stepped away in full health.

00:25:15.000 How did you manage to do that?

00:25:16.000 Not full health.

00:25:18.000 Not full health.

00:25:19.000 My knees were very bothering me, and one of the worst things that I have is tendonitis in both of my arms.

00:25:24.000 Yeah.

00:25:25.000 And if that hits, if that starts, then it's...

00:25:29.000 Did you take fish oil at all?

00:25:30.000 Yeah.

00:25:31.000 Helps.

00:25:31.000 Did you ever...

00:25:32.000 You have ever had tendonitis?

00:25:34.000 Yes.

00:25:34.000 Yeah, I have.

00:25:35.000 Okay, now I have it both here in the arms upstairs.

00:25:37.000 And if it hits, it's about a 45-minute, hour...

00:25:41.000 A pain which is unimaginable.

00:25:43.000 Really?

00:25:44.000 Yeah, you have no clue.

00:25:45.000 It's like coming from the outside.

00:25:48.000 You can't describe it.

00:25:49.000 There's no pain like it.

00:25:50.000 And there's nothing you can do.

00:25:51.000 You can't take pain pills for nothing.

00:25:53.000 Wow.

00:25:54.000 And if the rider, I would lose weight.

00:25:56.000 You know, so when I made that comeback in 2006, six weeks before, it hit it.

00:26:01.000 You know, I had nine weeks to prepare.

00:26:03.000 I think two times, three times five days I took off.

00:26:08.000 That I literally only worked my legs because I had the tendonitis.

00:26:12.000 And then, because you lose weight from the pain, and then I start realizing, okay, this is the reason that I stopped, because it's not fun anymore.

00:26:20.000 You know, you're on the ground, everything hurts.

00:26:21.000 I was rolling in Eddie's class, and with Goliath, you remember the big guy there?

00:26:28.000 And I was going to fight Leopoldo and...

00:26:31.000 Kimo Leopoldo.

00:26:33.000 Kimo Leopoldo.

00:26:34.000 And he very much looks like him, like, built.

00:26:37.000 I said, man, get a roll with you because I need to just get up and just strike.

00:26:40.000 Get up and strike.

00:26:41.000 And I had the tendonitis and, man, everything was hurting and I could see everybody look like, oh, is this boss written?

00:26:46.000 You know?

00:26:47.000 So I go, okay man, please give me your number, you know?

00:26:50.000 So I got his number five days later, I said, and I took five days off, so I come back again, and he was like, whoa, what's going on now?

00:26:56.000 Because it's a whole different ballgame.

00:26:58.000 But so that means that every time when you train with that, it, man, it...

00:27:04.000 It's so much pain that, yeah, you lose weight, you can't eat.

00:27:08.000 You get tears in your eyes from the pain.

00:27:10.000 It's bizarre.

00:27:10.000 Wow, and so what exactly is tendonitis?

00:27:12.000 What is it from?

00:27:14.000 I have no clue.

00:27:15.000 And you know what?

00:27:15.000 I realized that because in the early days when I did track and field, I already had it there.

00:27:21.000 I think that it comes from all the cortisones that I took.

00:27:24.000 I was a very sick kid.

00:27:26.000 Bad asthma, bad eczema everywhere.

00:27:29.000 And they gave me a lot of cortisones.

00:27:31.000 You know, they always were afraid something was going to happen in the end.

00:27:33.000 And that has an effect, I hear, on your skeleton.

00:27:36.000 You know, it melts, they say.

00:27:38.000 But I guess if it's...

00:27:42.000 Wow, that's crazy.

00:27:44.000 So you were a sick kid and you transitioned somehow into a martial arts champion.

00:27:48.000 Did you start training really hard because of your sickness, because of your asthma?

00:27:52.000 Is that one of the reasons?

00:27:53.000 Yeah, I got bullied a lot.

00:27:56.000 I was a very lonely kid.

00:27:59.000 I was in the trees.

00:28:01.000 I had a really cool skill.

00:28:04.000 I could climb in a tree in the forest and I could, like, 45% of the forest I go go from treetop to treetop.

00:28:10.000 I would start swinging, swinging, yeah.

00:28:12.000 What?

00:28:13.000 And go to the next one, yeah.

00:28:14.000 So if they would follow me, if they would come after me...

00:28:16.000 You're a fucking Tarzan.

00:28:17.000 Yeah.

00:28:18.000 Holy shit.

00:28:18.000 And I climbed in a tree.

00:28:19.000 So they would go after you and you would jump from tree to tree like a monkey?

00:28:23.000 Get away from them.

00:28:23.000 That's what I did.

00:28:24.000 And a few of them fell.

00:28:26.000 You know, one was almost, they almost didn't make it.

00:28:29.000 You know, I mean, his hat fell like next to a rock.

00:28:31.000 But that scared everybody so much that that was my harbor.

00:28:35.000 That was my safe harbor.

00:28:36.000 You know, every time something happens, I just climbed a tree.

00:28:38.000 And that was it.

00:28:39.000 But I think that that's where I got my athleticism from.

00:28:41.000 Just climbing, climbing all the time.

00:28:43.000 Wow.

00:28:44.000 That's fucking crazy.

00:28:45.000 It's amazing how many mixed martial artists were bullied.

00:28:48.000 People look at a guy like you and they would go, there's no fucking way this guy was ever bullied.

00:28:53.000 It's amazing how much of that happens.

00:28:55.000 What the fuck?

00:28:55.000 How do you stop that shit from happening in school?

00:28:58.000 I know you're involved in a lot of anti-bullying programs and I've seen you do public service announcements and stuff like that.

00:29:04.000 How do you stop that in school?

00:29:07.000 You can't.

00:29:11.000 It's hard.

00:29:11.000 You have to make sure that...

00:29:14.000 That the whole school knows.

00:29:16.000 How do you say that?

00:29:19.000 I would tell there, if I would speak in front of those people that are bullies, that we gotta have sympathy for those guys.

00:29:26.000 I mean, because obviously something's wrong with them.

00:29:29.000 They only can team up, you know, to get somebody and they pick the weakest guy.

00:29:33.000 I mean, seriously, if you guys think this is cool, That's the biggest loser of the whole school.

00:29:39.000 It's a weird human nature thing.

00:29:40.000 It really is.

00:29:41.000 It's like you probably get beat at home, you know?

00:29:44.000 And if you start talking like that, hopefully it rings a bell with a bully because otherwise you can't stop this.

00:29:49.000 You know, you hear every now and then about guys who are fighters, who are bullies, you know, who you hear about bullying in the gym, guys who are really good fucking other guys up, like young guys.

00:29:58.000 You hear a lot about Hector Lombard, you know?

00:30:01.000 I don't know if it's true, but you hear a lot of stories about him beating the shit out of young guys and hurting people.

00:30:04.000 Yeah.

00:30:05.000 You know, and you know that that has to be something from their childhood.

00:30:09.000 It just has to.

00:30:10.000 Something happened there.

00:30:11.000 Yeah.

00:30:11.000 Yeah, it's scary stuff.

00:30:12.000 You would think that a guy who's a trained fighter, though, you would think, well, that's, like, that would be my solution.

00:30:17.000 Like, how do you get bullying out of the schools?

00:30:19.000 I really think you should teach kids how to fight.

00:30:21.000 I don't think they should have to fight, but I think, you know, offer it in physical education.

00:30:25.000 Offer it.

00:30:26.000 For a man, it's one of the most important things you could ever learn for developing your character, for being more confident, and getting out aggression so you can think things more clearly.

00:30:37.000 We had KTLA this morning at a gym.

00:30:40.000 Your gym, by the way, for people who don't know, you have a great gym in Thousand Oaks.

00:30:44.000 How do people get there?

00:30:45.000 What's the name of it?

00:30:47.000 It's Boss Ruten's Elite MMA. It's on 80-80.

00:30:51.000 Hampshire Road.

00:30:52.000 In Thousand Oaks.

00:30:53.000 This is a rare opportunity if you live in this area to train with a true legend and a pioneer.

00:30:59.000 And I'm every day there.

00:31:00.000 I'm teaching every day.

00:31:01.000 So it's not like my name is in the gym and I'm not there.

00:31:04.000 I don't like this.

00:31:06.000 So KTLA was at your gym?

00:31:08.000 KTLA was at the gym.

00:31:09.000 Frank Shamrock was at the gym.

00:31:10.000 My friend Holt McKelleny, the guy from Lights Out, the new TV show on FX. Great show.

00:31:14.000 It's a boxing show?

00:31:15.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:31:16.000 He's an ex-heavyweight champion, you know, and now he's got to cope with all the problems.

00:31:20.000 You know, the money is gone and...

00:31:22.000 He's got a little bit sopranos, meets, rocky meets, you know, like serious like that.

00:31:27.000 And yeah, all of us were bullied also.

00:31:30.000 Frank also was a little fat kid, he said.

00:31:32.000 And then he also, because he went to boarding school in Scotland, his father sent him over there.

00:31:37.000 He was the only American there, so that went wrong.

00:31:39.000 And with me also, it's because of the eczema and all of my asthma.

00:31:46.000 You had asthma and eczema.

00:31:48.000 Yeah, they went hand in hand together.

00:31:49.000 How did they cure that?

00:31:50.000 How did they fix that?

00:31:51.000 I grew over it.

00:31:51.000 You know what the weirdest thing is?

00:31:52.000 When I stepped into the States, when I was fighting in Pancras, if you see some fights, you'll see I still have everywhere, have spots.

00:32:01.000 You know, and when I came into America, I think within a month, everything, I mean, you saw it almost disappearing, like, was gone.

00:32:08.000 I think also the climate maybe has something to do with...

00:32:10.000 California climate?

00:32:11.000 Yeah, I love it here, man.

00:32:13.000 This is actually, it's not too hot, not too dry, you know, it's perfect.

00:32:16.000 It's a pretty good place to live.

00:32:17.000 Yeah, yeah, we just said it, right?

00:32:19.000 What a day.

00:32:19.000 Yeah, it's pretty awesome when you hear about people in Minnesota freezing their dicks off.

00:32:23.000 Like I said, I came into the States and said, why doesn't everybody in America live here?

00:32:27.000 Why would you live over there?

00:32:28.000 Seems like they do, though.

00:32:29.000 There's no houses there.

00:32:30.000 There's a lot of people living here, man.

00:32:32.000 There's a lot of people.

00:32:33.000 So you didn't exactly transition out without any pain.

00:32:37.000 So that was one of the reasons why you cut your fighting career short with tendonitis?

00:32:42.000 Yep, that and my knees.

00:32:43.000 I have no cartilage on my kneecaps.

00:32:45.000 Really?

00:32:46.000 Which sounds as a very easy thing to fix, but...

00:32:50.000 In reality, it's the worst problem a knee can have.

00:32:53.000 I mean, cartilage in between the knees when I bounce, they can do something about that, you know, but cartilage on the kneecap, they can't.

00:33:00.000 My friend has his knees resurfaced.

00:33:02.000 He had them resurfaced with steel.

00:33:03.000 They put some sort of a steel or titanium plate over the knee.

00:33:07.000 My friend Steve was on the US ski team back in the 80s and he fucked his knees up really, really bad.

00:33:13.000 Like, he's had, I believe, 16 or 17 surgeries on his knees and they're mangled.

00:33:18.000 And they just recently put artificial meniscus in place.

00:33:22.000 This white padded stuff in between the knees.

00:33:25.000 His cartilage is so chewed up that they actually resurfaced it with metal.

00:33:32.000 It's a crazy looking thing, man.

00:33:33.000 It's like metal on top of a kneecap.

00:33:36.000 I have it here somewhere in my email.

00:33:37.000 I'll find it for you before we leave tonight so you can check it out.

00:33:40.000 So there is a solution that my friend Steve...

00:33:42.000 You know, for instance, a kneecap is in constant motion.

00:33:47.000 So it's not like you can put something on there because it gets ripped off right away again.

00:33:52.000 What they can do is drill a hole in there and then put a teflon plate in it.

00:33:57.000 But if you drill the hole, the knee becomes 35% more weak, so you have way more chance to break the knee.

00:34:03.000 And once you break your kneecap, that's why my doctor said, that's why the mafiosos, they break your kneecaps.

00:34:09.000 Because that's like the worst thing to do to somebody.

00:34:12.000 Yeah, the knees are brutal, man.

00:34:14.000 I've had three knee operations.

00:34:16.000 I had my left ACL reconstructed, my meniscus scoped on my left knee.

00:34:22.000 Here, I got a picture of it here if you want to check it out.

00:34:24.000 Check this out real quick.

00:34:25.000 Can you see that?

00:34:27.000 This is resurfacing.

00:34:28.000 This is where...

00:34:29.000 They took...

00:34:30.000 His cartilage was so fucked up, they took it off and they resurfaced it with steel.

00:34:35.000 And this white stuff in this picture, this is the artificial meniscus.

00:34:40.000 I'll put this picture on Twitter later on so everybody else can see it.

00:34:43.000 That's actually a cool picture.

00:34:44.000 It's pretty fucking crazy.

00:34:46.000 Man, the stuff that they can do nowadays is bizarre.

00:34:49.000 Yeah, it's pretty fucking crazy.

00:34:51.000 I don't know...

00:34:52.000 I mean, this is really new stuff that they're doing, but I mean, his knee looks like...

00:34:57.000 But how does he feel?

00:34:58.000 He feels great.

00:34:59.000 He's fucking crazy.

00:35:01.000 He's the wildest motherfucker I've ever met.

00:35:03.000 He was a flight surgeon.

00:35:04.000 He's in his 50s and he's still trying to fight.

00:35:06.000 He's crazy.

00:35:07.000 It's out of his mind.

00:35:09.000 It's a very hard thing to step away from, you know, to come back to it.

00:35:12.000 It's very, when I have students of mine or friends of mine fighting, I'm way more nervous than they are.

00:35:18.000 It's like, because you can't control it.

00:35:19.000 It's like sitting next to the driver, you know, and they go fast.

00:35:22.000 You go like, I'd rather have the wheel, so I'm in control here.

00:35:26.000 Now it's hard.

00:35:27.000 There's no feeling like it.

00:35:29.000 Like when you win or when you for six or eight weeks you work on like five special combinations, you know, on the ground and standing and then to see if you can land one of those.

00:35:40.000 And then 90% of the time you do.

00:35:42.000 You know, it's something that you really worked on and then you land that thing and then it's like a hole in one, I guess.

00:35:47.000 That's what I always say.

00:35:48.000 It has to be a feeling like that.

00:35:50.000 Yeah.

00:35:50.000 Well, I think much crazier than that.

00:35:52.000 I think that it's just the ultimate gamble.

00:35:54.000 You know, you're out there throwing your bones at some guy, you know, trying to hit his vital areas.

00:36:01.000 And it ain't just a regular guy.

00:36:02.000 It's a fucking expert.

00:36:03.000 And he's doing the exact same thing.

00:36:05.000 Yeah.

00:36:05.000 So much of your success is based on how much dedication you have, how much time you put in, how much you can keep your shit together under pressure.

00:36:12.000 It's the ultimate high, right?

00:36:13.000 When you win, it's the ultimate high.

00:36:15.000 It really is.

00:36:16.000 And what you say, the thing is, can you, I always say, Can you bring the dojo, the way you fight and train there, and spar there, can you bring that game to the ring?

00:36:28.000 Because that's a big problem with guys.

00:36:30.000 That is a big thing.

00:36:31.000 Under pressure.

00:36:32.000 A lot of guys are gym fighters, right?

00:36:33.000 Oh, yeah.

00:36:34.000 And a lot of guys fold.

00:36:36.000 You'll see them.

00:36:36.000 They'll do great.

00:36:38.000 They'll be dominating.

00:36:39.000 And then the guy will still be there.

00:36:41.000 Yeah.

00:36:42.000 And then you see adversity.

00:36:43.000 You see doubt.

00:36:44.000 You see all kinds of creepy things about whatever the fuck haunts their subconscious, whatever the fuck is in their personality that they don't like.

00:36:50.000 Yeah.

00:36:51.000 You see it surface.

00:36:52.000 Most of the time, you see a guy when they hit him with a hard shot, you know?

00:36:57.000 And it's most of the time the muscular guys, by the way.

00:36:59.000 Check it out.

00:37:00.000 And the big blown up dudes.

00:37:02.000 When they hit somebody with their best bang and the guy recovers and comes back, then you see him go down.

00:37:08.000 Or they have him in the submission and they think they had him.

00:37:11.000 And then the guy escapes.

00:37:13.000 You know, that's like a mental break for them.

00:37:15.000 Then they give up.

00:37:16.000 It's like the weirdest thing.

00:37:17.000 You go like, whoa, man, it's so good.

00:37:19.000 I know so many fighters who are like that.

00:37:21.000 And I say, just do it again.

00:37:23.000 Do it again.

00:37:24.000 And make it a little bit more tight.

00:37:25.000 Why wouldn't you do that, you know?

00:37:26.000 But now they give up.

00:37:27.000 The fear of losing is a tremendous burden that a lot of guys have and it eventually manifests itself in a fight.

00:37:33.000 It's like they're so afraid of losing, they're so afraid of fucking up that they make it happen.

00:37:38.000 But it's afraid of losing in front of an audience because they have to listen to what those people are going to tell them, well, you should have done this.

00:37:45.000 And Chris Lieben said it really funny a long time ago.

00:37:47.000 He says, you got knocked out by Silva.

00:37:50.000 And he said...

00:37:53.000 It's bad if you go to the blockbuster and the guy behind the desk tells you what you should have done, you know, because everybody knows better.

00:38:00.000 And that's horrible.

00:38:01.000 And that's why I always say, I say, you fight for yourself.

00:38:04.000 You say, oh, Basso, you fight for your family, your wife and your kids?

00:38:06.000 No, I fight for me.

00:38:08.000 Because that takes a lot of pressure off.

00:38:09.000 Because really think about this.

00:38:10.000 And if you have a fellow fighter and you go both into a room, you lock the door, you guys fight, do you really care if you lose?

00:38:20.000 I don't think I really care.

00:38:22.000 I love to win, but you know, I don't know.

00:38:25.000 You know, he's the best man that day.

00:38:26.000 He won that fight.

00:38:27.000 Now, if it's in front of an audience, you've got to go through all that BS that these other people say who have no clue what it's all about.

00:38:34.000 But you see what I mean?

00:38:35.000 You're fighting for those people, and it's so much pressure.

00:38:38.000 That's why stay away from the, I'm going to rip this head off, I'm going to do this, I'm going to do that, because all that, they will play at the moment you walk through the cage and you hear yourself saying what you're going to do.

00:38:48.000 It fucks with your head, right?

00:38:48.000 Oh yeah, that's why I never did that, because she put a lot of pressure on you.

00:38:51.000 Now I better do what I said.

00:38:53.000 Yeah, guys, I don't think guys realize it, but you see it in their face sometimes when they step into the octagon.

00:38:58.000 You see all the shit-talking they've said, and they're like, whew, here we go.

00:39:01.000 Like, wow, what have I fucking done?

00:39:03.000 There's a few shit-talkers who are actually really good, you know?

00:39:07.000 Chell Sonnen is pretty good at it.

00:39:08.000 That was, yeah, but he's the master.

00:39:11.000 Josh Barnett's pretty good at it, too.

00:39:12.000 George Barnett is really good at it, too, yeah.

00:39:14.000 Yeah, there's a few guys.

00:39:15.000 A few guys who know to sling it.

00:39:16.000 Smart guys.

00:39:18.000 Frank Shamrock was good at it.

00:39:19.000 Smart comments make.

00:39:20.000 And Tito made a whole career out of it also.

00:39:23.000 I said, those are not the guys that you see.

00:39:27.000 They're playing a smart game.

00:39:28.000 Nick Diaz.

00:39:28.000 Yeah, he loves it.

00:39:30.000 He loves it.

00:39:30.000 And he's a really nice guy.

00:39:33.000 I like him a lot.

00:39:35.000 Well, he gets fired up, though, when he fights.

00:39:36.000 When he fights, he's not such a nice guy.

00:39:40.000 Psychological warfare is a part of fighting, right?

00:39:42.000 That's it.

00:39:43.000 I always say, who's got the biggest balls?

00:39:45.000 Who can keep on going?

00:39:48.000 That's why I always say, stamina is the number one thing.

00:39:51.000 That's one thing they can never say for me.

00:39:53.000 In my whole MMA career, I never run out of gas.

00:39:55.000 Because that's the only thing you can control when you train.

00:40:00.000 Go run an extra hill.

00:40:01.000 Do something.

00:40:02.000 There's nothing dumber than losing.

00:40:03.000 How difficult was that for you, though, when you started to get the tendonitis?

00:40:07.000 Because, you know, there's stamina from grappling that you probably couldn't get.

00:40:12.000 Like, I know for a fact that Teosha-Kosaka fight.

00:40:14.000 When you fought Kosaka, when you won the title, right?

00:40:17.000 That's who you won the title?

00:40:17.000 No, that was your first fight.

00:40:18.000 You won the title for Mandelman.

00:40:20.000 When you fought Kosaka, you had a problem.

00:40:23.000 Like, you couldn't do any grappling for a while, right?

00:40:24.000 Didn't you have a neck problem?

00:40:25.000 My problem.

00:40:26.000 I got it against Daryl Golar, the wrestler.

00:40:29.000 Very good wrestler.

00:40:29.000 I got him in a triangle at the gym and he lifted me up and he slammed me down with my neck into the corner.

00:40:35.000 That took a long time.

00:40:37.000 God knows the whole thing.

00:40:38.000 I just had surgery.

00:40:39.000 It comes from that all the way back.

00:40:41.000 What was the injury?

00:40:43.000 It was, I have no clue, but it was so painful.

00:40:46.000 I had a daughter at the time, she was like nine months old, and she could not lay on my chest.

00:40:52.000 I was coughing, you know, and everything was...

00:40:54.000 It was funny because I had this big syringe of lidocaine, and I'm injecting myself in between my ribs.

00:41:02.000 Oh my God!

00:41:02.000 And the UFC comes in with the cameras, right?

00:41:05.000 And that was at the time with the movie with Universal Soldier.

00:41:09.000 And these guys are freaking out, you know?

00:41:11.000 I said, no, no, no, no, come in, come in, come in.

00:41:13.000 I said, this is, you know, the doctor knows this.

00:41:15.000 Lino King is dangerous shit.

00:41:17.000 Yeah, but you have to watch out where to do it.

00:41:19.000 But, you know, if they do it, it always goes wrong because they can't feel where it is.

00:41:23.000 But I had to, between every rip, I had to go.

00:41:25.000 So you have to do it yourself.

00:41:26.000 Yeah.

00:41:28.000 Yeah, that was painful.

00:41:29.000 Lidocaine is like the gay cousin of cocaine for people who don't know.

00:41:32.000 It just numbs things up.

00:41:34.000 When I got my nose fixed, I got a deviated septum fixed and they squirt lidocaine out there when they're cleaning it out so that it doesn't freak you out because they go up in your nose with a vacuum cleaner.

00:41:43.000 It's like, you know when you vacuum your car at the car wash and it gets stuck on the floor mat and goes...

00:41:49.000 That happens to the back of your fucking skull, right where your brain is when they're cleaning out blood clots and dried up boogers and shit, and they spray lidocaine up there.

00:41:59.000 And I felt fucked up for the whole day.

00:42:02.000 I was like, what is wrong with me?

00:42:03.000 I'm out of it.

00:42:04.000 And then I realized, oh, it's that lidocaine.

00:42:06.000 So then I go online and I'm like, what is the effects of lidocaine?

00:42:09.000 People fucking die from it.

00:42:11.000 Girls that put it on their legs, when they go to get their legs lasered, they get the hair lasered off their legs.

00:42:16.000 It's painful.

00:42:17.000 So they cover their legs with lidocaine.

00:42:19.000 Some girl died in her fucking car.

00:42:21.000 She covered her legs in lidocaine and then wrapped her legs up in saran wrap.

00:42:26.000 She just OD'd on them.

00:42:27.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:42:28.000 And you're shooting it into your ribs.

00:42:30.000 In my ribs.

00:42:31.000 I used to many times that I would go to the fight, and then when they, I had my wrestling shoes because we had to wear shoes at Pancras.

00:42:38.000 They would be open, like I had an ankle injury, and I would wait until they called my name.

00:42:43.000 Because one time I broke my hand, the knuckle, and they said, oh, we put the lidocaine in there and it's going to work for like an hour, but it's not.

00:42:50.000 It's like 15 minutes, you know, especially when your heart rate is up, it goes really fast.

00:42:54.000 So at the moment I stepped into the ring, I go like, oh no.

00:42:59.000 They're not going to do this again.

00:43:00.000 So I did it at the moment they would call my name.

00:43:03.000 I would put it in and then hopefully I was not going to feel it.

00:43:07.000 Fuck!

00:43:08.000 So you were fighting on lidocaine.

00:43:10.000 You'd shoot it in you and then fight right then.

00:43:12.000 Yeah, because you could walk.

00:43:13.000 I made a really bad trip.

00:43:17.000 When I was running the day before I jumped on the plane.

00:43:19.000 And I was against Vernon Tiger White.

00:43:21.000 It was like my fourth fight or something.

00:43:23.000 And it's like, it's unbelievable.

00:43:25.000 He takes me down and he goes for a toe hold on that ankle.

00:43:29.000 Like, I mean, it's like I'm sending out a signal.

00:43:31.000 You know, take this, take this.

00:43:32.000 It is a weird signal because whenever I get a tattoo, somebody fucking slaps me on the arm where the tattoo is.

00:43:37.000 It's always.

00:43:37.000 If you have an injury here where you never get hit, if you spar, you're going to get hit there.

00:43:42.000 It is what it is.

00:43:43.000 If you hurt your hand, for sure someone's going to squeeze it when they shake it.

00:43:47.000 Yeah.

00:43:47.000 That's pretty sure.

00:43:48.000 Why?

00:43:49.000 A lot of times you go a whole year without a guy giving you one of those douchey handshakes.

00:43:53.000 You know those douchey handshakes where he grabs the tip of your fingers and squishes them all the way.

00:43:58.000 What the fuck is that about?

00:43:59.000 Insecured handshake.

00:44:00.000 And you go a year with that.

00:44:01.000 But if you hurt your hand, it's right away.

00:44:03.000 That's the first thing that's going to happen.

00:44:05.000 Wait, is that it?

00:44:06.000 Fucking strange.

00:44:07.000 It's the same, you got two lines, you always pick the line that's the longest way.

00:44:10.000 This one is way longer, you take the shortest, and they go.

00:44:13.000 This guy goes for a break, and the fucking replacement comes in, they gotta redo the register, yeah.

00:44:17.000 The check, the old grandmother, you know, with the check.

00:44:20.000 Oh, what is the time?

00:44:20.000 How much again?

00:44:21.000 Oh, sorry, I gotta take another one.

00:44:23.000 When I see people paying with checks, I'm like, why don't you just fucking whip out beaver pelts?

00:44:27.000 I cannot tell.

00:44:28.000 I saw one the other day at the grocery store.

00:44:30.000 It's like, really, you're still using this.

00:44:32.000 Yeah, that's where I, last time I saw it too, was at the grocery store.

00:44:35.000 I'm like, checks?

00:44:35.000 People allow you to just write on a piece of paper?

00:44:38.000 Yeah, the big Lebowski when he pays like 79 cents on that milk.

00:44:43.000 Yeah.

00:44:43.000 The opening movie.

00:44:45.000 The opening shot.

00:44:46.000 So if you didn't have all these injuries, do you think you would have kept going?

00:44:50.000 I think I would have kept going a few more years, yeah.

00:44:53.000 Because it was not a problem not having stamina.

00:44:56.000 And I've always been very blessed with my body.

00:44:59.000 People look at me the whole time and they say, Oh my God, how much did you train?

00:45:02.000 Well, I didn't train for...

00:45:04.000 A year.

00:45:05.000 You know?

00:45:06.000 It's like, I'm just genetically really put together because of my dad.

00:45:11.000 My brother has the same.

00:45:12.000 He's a lawyer, but it's the same.

00:45:13.000 He's got no fat.

00:45:14.000 Just good base.

00:45:16.000 Good genes, yeah.

00:45:17.000 They're all athletes, the routine side, you know, so, yeah.

00:45:21.000 Never had a problem with that.

00:45:23.000 What was the question?

00:45:24.000 The question was whether or not you would keep going.

00:45:26.000 Oh, yeah.

00:45:27.000 Because, you know, like I said, there's nothing like it.

00:45:29.000 But at the moment, the fun is gone out of training.

00:45:33.000 Training would be so much fun for me because, you know, somebody, every time, you know, when you roll, every time something pops up, oh, God, that's cool.

00:45:42.000 Yeah, it's a new move.

00:45:43.000 Man, and then it's a new thing.

00:45:44.000 And then you start using other people and it works and it works and it works and it works.

00:45:47.000 Oh my God, this is great.

00:45:48.000 And every time a new little thing, somebody shows you another little thing, like a guillotine choke, do it like this because they can't escape.

00:45:56.000 You know, Sergio Pena showed it to me.

00:45:57.000 I go, wow, wow.

00:45:58.000 It's like bizarre things and they get that whole crazy.

00:46:01.000 And it's so cool.

00:46:03.000 But then the way you have the pain the whole time, it takes the pleasure out of it.

00:46:06.000 And once you have no more fun, what's the use of...

00:46:09.000 So you can't roll at all right now?

00:46:11.000 No.

00:46:12.000 No, and especially just after my surgery, I can do 10 times.

00:46:14.000 So this surgery is the same surgery from the Darryl Golar incident that you just had?

00:46:18.000 I don't know.

00:46:18.000 I think it added on maybe, you know.

00:46:21.000 That was the first time it got hurt though?

00:46:23.000 Yeah, I think so.

00:46:23.000 What was the actual surgery?

00:46:24.000 What did they have done?

00:46:26.000 Between C4 and 5 and 5 and 6, my nerves were flat, squashed.

00:46:30.000 So I lost atrophy, my whole arm and shoulder.

00:46:35.000 So now they hone the holes open around it.

00:46:37.000 They make so the nerves are...

00:46:39.000 They can breathe again.

00:46:40.000 A lot of guys get that.

00:46:42.000 Jose Aldo just got that.

00:46:43.000 He has a nerve issue as well.

00:46:45.000 His arms are going numb.

00:46:46.000 And Carwin.

00:46:47.000 Carwin had it as well.

00:46:48.000 He just had surgery on it.

00:46:49.000 Carwin did.

00:46:50.000 Oh my God.

00:46:50.000 For Jose Aldo, he's one of my favorite guys.

00:46:54.000 That guy's good.

00:46:54.000 That's not good, man.

00:46:55.000 This is a bad injury.

00:46:56.000 Because this is going to take a long time.

00:46:59.000 I mean, this is over two months ago.

00:47:01.000 And I... I noticed things like I can brush my teeth harder, push a little bit harder when I brush under my armpit, or I can shave my whole head now with a razor blade, which I couldn't do before.

00:47:13.000 Things like that.

00:47:14.000 But power-wise, I do 15 pounds.

00:47:17.000 That's it.

00:47:17.000 Wow.

00:47:18.000 Yeah, it's really weak.

00:47:20.000 So when you roll around, it's not fun.

00:47:22.000 Of course, they attack that arm.

00:47:24.000 There we go again.

00:47:25.000 Murfrees law.

00:47:26.000 Everybody goes on that.

00:47:27.000 I had...

00:47:31.000 Giga Musashi was over, and his brother, and his brother said that nobody could, they could break his grip at an arm bar.

00:47:36.000 I have a really weird way of putting an arm bar on, but the way I do it, nobody can escape.

00:47:40.000 You know, and I do that, I control the hand, I make sure that the elbow points up, you know, and I control it in such a way that your arm, you can't get out.

00:47:48.000 I can just cover your face, the other leg I just can't put away, and you still can't get out.

00:47:52.000 Really?

00:47:53.000 Yeah.

00:47:53.000 And he said to me, oh, but you can't do that on me.

00:47:56.000 So I'm trying, trying.

00:47:57.000 I can't break because apparently he's known for it.

00:47:59.000 It's very strong.

00:48:00.000 And he says, see, see a guy?

00:48:02.000 I say, flip around.

00:48:03.000 He says, why?

00:48:04.000 I said, this is my wrong arm.

00:48:05.000 So I go to the other side and go, and got him in the arm bar right away.

00:48:09.000 I said, listen, I can't do 15 pounds with this.

00:48:11.000 You know, it's a very weak arm right now.

00:48:12.000 So is it eventually going to come back to 100%?

00:48:15.000 You know, it's...

00:48:15.000 They say it's like a millimeter a day, and it's two months ago, so that will be six centimeters.

00:48:21.000 Go starting from my neck.

00:48:22.000 It's got to go all the way to here.

00:48:24.000 Six centimeters of what?

00:48:26.000 Of healing?

00:48:26.000 Of healing.

00:48:27.000 The nerve heals like a millimeter a day, they say.

00:48:30.000 Okay.

00:48:31.000 Yeah, so nine months to a year, I should expect at least, he said.

00:48:35.000 He says, if it comes back, because I was very late with it.

00:48:39.000 They misdiagnosed me.

00:48:40.000 So I walked around with this thing for a long time.

00:48:43.000 So what is the thing, though?

00:48:44.000 What was the actual injury?

00:48:45.000 So it's the compression of the nerves?

00:48:48.000 The compression.

00:48:48.000 And the pain, all the hard pain that I had, that was the nerve apparently is a whole bunch of little cables, he says.

00:48:55.000 And outside there's the pain thing.

00:48:57.000 You know, once you squish that, you know, you're already really far gone.

00:49:01.000 And that happened with me.

00:49:02.000 I had no pain anymore.

00:49:03.000 And he says, man, that's the worst thing because...

00:49:06.000 That means that's already died.

00:49:08.000 So you're damaging and you don't even feel it.

00:49:10.000 That's it.

00:49:11.000 Wow.

00:49:11.000 So then they go in there and they drill it out and then you have to wait forever for it to heal up.

00:49:16.000 Yeah.

00:49:16.000 Wow.

00:49:17.000 And there's nothing you can do in between time?

00:49:19.000 You just have to let it go?

00:49:20.000 Nothing.

00:49:20.000 I started actually...

00:49:22.000 Yesterday, I think two days ago, I started running on a treadmill, but only with the incline, so I can roll in the balls of my feet so I don't have my knees shucking.

00:49:33.000 And I'm actually feeling okay today, my knees.

00:49:35.000 So I figured, okay, if I can do that, then I can at least start doing my sprints again.

00:49:39.000 I used to be a freak, man.

00:49:41.000 I could tease these.

00:49:42.000 What I do is I run 10 minutes, 11 miles an hour.

00:49:47.000 That's the warm-up.

00:49:48.000 And then I jump off.

00:49:49.000 I start stretching while I put the incline all the way up, go to 9 miles an hour, and then I jump on for 45 seconds and off for 30. And I do those 10, 10 of those rounds.

00:49:59.000 And after that, I run like 5 minutes, run it out, done, take a 5 minute break, and then I do my power training workout.

00:50:05.000 This is when I was at the top of my game, because that's really hard.

00:50:09.000 So you would do your sprints first, and then you would do your power training later?

00:50:12.000 Yeah, everybody thought it was weird.

00:50:14.000 But for me, if you do the power training first, it hinders you with your running.

00:50:18.000 Sometimes I would do it to mimic the fights because that's what I think is the biggest problem with a lot of guys.

00:50:24.000 They don't realize that you, you know, you're pumping everything.

00:50:28.000 You should do abs, a lot of abs, before you fight and stretch them out.

00:50:34.000 Because what happens is your abs, they start filling up with leg acid behind your abs or your lungs.

00:50:39.000 And that's why you see the roid guys, because they have that boop right away.

00:50:43.000 They go strong, Boom!

00:50:45.000 And then they drop.

00:50:46.000 And I think it really is because of the abs.

00:50:48.000 Because if they do 10 times this, it stays like this, right?

00:50:53.000 It bumps up.

00:50:54.000 Well, imagine that happens to your core.

00:50:55.000 And with everything while you're fighting, you're using your core.

00:50:58.000 Take down defense, everything.

00:51:00.000 So that stops blowing up, stops your lungs from breathing.

00:51:03.000 That's why you get tired.

00:51:04.000 So you think abs are important for stamina, that's what you're saying?

00:51:07.000 Very important to keep them loose.

00:51:09.000 To keep them loose and to stretch them out.

00:51:11.000 This is very important.

00:51:12.000 I would take before a fight also aspirin, you know, to make my blood thin.

00:51:16.000 Because in Thai boxing I would never wear wraps.

00:51:19.000 I don't like to have wraps around me.

00:51:21.000 Really?

00:51:21.000 So I would go bare knuckle in the gloves.

00:51:23.000 And with the shoes, I hated those things.

00:51:26.000 You know, this was totally Japanese rules, right?

00:51:28.000 The pancreas shoes.

00:51:30.000 Yeah, because what happens is those Japanese guys, they're really good on the ground.

00:51:33.000 And so they say, okay, and they're striking not so.

00:51:35.000 Okay, so let's put them on shin guards.

00:51:37.000 Let's put them on knee protection and push shoes because they're good with leg locks and no gloves because then they're good for the rear naked chokes and all.

00:51:43.000 I mean, they're totally adapted.

00:51:44.000 When I left Pancras, I think two, three months later, they changed the rules.

00:51:47.000 It was closed fist.

00:51:50.000 I go, whoa, I've been waiting for a long time for this.

00:51:52.000 Yeah, they had to try to adapt to be mixed martial arts.

00:51:57.000 So is it pancreas where you hurt your knees?

00:52:01.000 You know, I don't know.

00:52:02.000 I have no clue.

00:52:03.000 I think I'm so...

00:52:04.000 I'm very explosive and I think over the years that just scraped off and my things are bold.

00:52:09.000 They say they're bleeding bone marrow out of one knee.

00:52:12.000 So it's like, yeah, it's like very painful, man.

00:52:15.000 It's not fun.

00:52:16.000 Do you do any other martial arts exercises?

00:52:18.000 I know you have that thing that you sell.

00:52:20.000 Well, that's...

00:52:21.000 That's part of it because you don't want to hit things, right?

00:52:24.000 Exactly like that, yeah.

00:52:25.000 Because it has no impact.

00:52:27.000 You don't want to get the tendonitis.

00:52:29.000 Every fighter should use that thing like 12 days before the fight.

00:52:33.000 Not the heavy bag anymore.

00:52:34.000 That's where the accidents happen.

00:52:36.000 You know, you get tired, sweat on the bag, but your gloves slips or the wrist hurts.

00:52:41.000 There's always things happen with a heavy bag.

00:52:43.000 And they like to hit a heavy bag, which I did also because it's a cool thing.

00:52:48.000 But there's always that moment when you hit really hard like a liver shot and you feel...

00:52:52.000 And then I know, okay, tomorrow I got the tendonitis.

00:52:55.000 Did you develop this thing?

00:52:57.000 It's called the BOSS system?

00:52:58.000 What does it stand for?

00:53:00.000 The Body Action Stand.

00:53:02.000 So what happened was, this is a long time ago, a long time ago, like four years or something ago, my agent tells me that this woman wants to see me.

00:53:13.000 They have a product.

00:53:14.000 And it started out with a stand with two of those kicking things.

00:53:18.000 Like the Taekwondo thing?

00:53:19.000 Yeah, those.

00:53:20.000 Two.

00:53:22.000 So I came to her, and I was hungover.

00:53:24.000 It was the last period that I was still drinking.

00:53:28.000 And I walk in, I say, okay, I'm telling you right now, because you can breathe it, you can smell it.

00:53:33.000 I'm a little hungover.

00:53:33.000 Let me take a look at this thing, and I call you back tomorrow, what I think.

00:53:38.000 So I looked at the thing and the next day I called back, I said, okay, now this is what we should do.

00:53:42.000 And I had this whole list ready.

00:53:43.000 She goes like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

00:53:44.000 We thought you didn't notice anything yesterday.

00:53:46.000 I said, no.

00:53:47.000 And then I came up to do a head, to do a body pad, you know, and make targets on there.

00:53:51.000 And, you know, but then it starts because people think this is an easy product.

00:53:55.000 There's knockoffs from these things, right?

00:53:57.000 They're already selling knockoffs.

00:53:59.000 If you buy that thing, that was like our early stages, what you're going to have.

00:54:03.000 They're going to flop around, they're going to break, because you need to find a spring that is just right to not be too floppy and not too stiff.

00:54:13.000 If it's too stiff, the whole stand will move.

00:54:15.000 If it's too floppy, you can't knock it for the second punch because it's still moving.

00:54:19.000 You know, it needs to be just right.

00:54:21.000 Now, the foam in there needs to be just right.

00:54:23.000 Now, foam, the density, if it's really tight foam, it's heavier, you know?

00:54:30.000 So, if you say, okay, this is a little bit too hard, I want different foam, you put different foam, but now because it's lighter, Then the spring needs to be changed again.

00:54:39.000 So every time I got like eight prototypes and I have to train on those things the whole time to see and find out which is what and what's the best weight and the best form with what spring, it took two and a half years.

00:54:51.000 Really, two and a half years to find that.

00:54:53.000 They hit that thing, I mean, 30,000 times with a machine.

00:54:58.000 That thing, when you buy it won't break two guys.

00:55:01.000 There was two heads broke.

00:55:03.000 But that was from a shipment that we right away took out because it was something with the glue that it didn't connect.

00:55:08.000 It was vaporizing or eating the glue.

00:55:11.000 So it didn't work.

00:55:12.000 There was two only.

00:55:13.000 We sent the new heads back and we never.

00:55:15.000 We saw a lot of those things.

00:55:15.000 So you have no problems?

00:55:16.000 No problems.

00:55:17.000 Do you use those yourself?

00:55:18.000 Every time when I train, yeah.

00:55:20.000 Now, right now, I can't.

00:55:22.000 I use a lot.

00:55:23.000 I can do hooks.

00:55:24.000 Like, see, that's a weird angle for me.

00:55:26.000 And uppercuts, if I make 10 uppercuts, the last uppercut goes slow up because it's, yeah, it's biceps.

00:55:31.000 Now you really realize that you need your biceps in order to put your body weight into a punch.

00:55:37.000 You can't lock it up now.

00:55:39.000 A straight punch I'm okay with, but hooks?

00:55:42.000 With a glove I can hit you as hard as I want to your belly.

00:55:44.000 You're not going to go down.

00:55:45.000 Wow.

00:55:46.000 Yeah, it's pathetic when I look at it.

00:55:48.000 Why did you like having no wraps on?

00:55:51.000 I always have that I want to have my blood flow keep going.

00:55:56.000 For some reason, I have the feeling if this happens, that it doesn't circulate anymore naturally.

00:56:01.000 It's a bad feeling when you've got a tight wrap, when it's too tight.

00:56:03.000 Yeah, I don't like it at all.

00:56:05.000 And you don't need it if you hit the right way.

00:56:06.000 All these guys are so...

00:56:08.000 Like Tyson, I always give the example.

00:56:10.000 Just know or just learn how to hit the correct way and nothing will happen.

00:56:13.000 These guys, they come in the room and they got the special guys.

00:56:17.000 They got a stitch there on call every day, two times a day.

00:56:22.000 They wrap their hands perfectly.

00:56:23.000 He can hit it in any angle.

00:56:24.000 It doesn't matter.

00:56:25.000 So then, when this guy, that's why when he had a street fight, he would always break his hand, right, Tyson?

00:56:31.000 Because he doesn't know how to hit.

00:56:33.000 He hits him with a pinky, whatever, wrong technique.

00:56:36.000 Isn't it hard when you're fighting because guys move and sometimes you wanted to hit him with these two knuckles, but you accidentally catch him with the last knuckle?

00:56:43.000 You know, of course, it's always...

00:56:46.000 Shit happens.

00:56:47.000 Yeah.

00:56:48.000 You know, especially in karate, with the Kyokushin karate, you're sparring in its bare knuckle.

00:56:52.000 And some of these guys, they have a gi, and some guys have their hips here, right?

00:56:56.000 So that's how I broke this one also.

00:56:58.000 You hit a hip, you think you have to get the liver.

00:57:02.000 It's a hip bone, yeah.

00:57:03.000 That'll hurt.

00:57:05.000 That was the good thing in mixed martial arts because now you can see what you're hitting.

00:57:08.000 Everything.

00:57:09.000 Now you started out in Taekwondo, is that where you...

00:57:12.000 Taekwondo.

00:57:12.000 That was my first sport, yeah.

00:57:15.000 I did that for about...

00:57:17.000 I don't know, four weeks or six weeks, and I was already beating up the brown belts.

00:57:22.000 You have to understand, my parents are very conservative.

00:57:25.000 They would never allow me to do martial arts, but I always got bullied.

00:57:29.000 And I saw a Bruce Lee movie in 76, Enter the Dragon, in France, when we were on the holiday.

00:57:36.000 And I came out and said, that's it, I want to be Bruce Lee, you know?

00:57:39.000 So I made these noon chucks, and I was only like, kung fu shoes.

00:57:43.000 I had the whole line, yes, I was really...

00:57:46.000 So I asked my parents, please, please, please, but they wouldn't allow me.

00:57:49.000 So I kept going, kept going, training myself, watching movies and just kept training.

00:57:54.000 And then finally, after two years, they said, okay, you know, stop asking questions, go.

00:57:58.000 And we had a neighbor, the girl next door, she had a boyfriend who was the cool guy from the town.

00:58:03.000 And he said, okay, come with me.

00:58:04.000 He took me kind of under a swing.

00:58:07.000 And it went really good.

00:58:09.000 I started beating up, like I said, the brown belts out within six weeks.

00:58:12.000 I said, man, you got a good feeling.

00:58:13.000 So my confidence rose.

00:58:15.000 And at that moment, I was driving, riding my bike on the street, and the biggest bully comes with six of his buddies or something.

00:58:23.000 And they said something, and I shouted something back.

00:58:27.000 And they all laughed, were laughing, and they right away came after me.

00:58:31.000 And when I saw them coming for me, I stopped my bike, and I put it down, and I was just waiting for the guy.

00:58:37.000 And then the biggest bully comes to me, and he's, you know that, in the early days, you push with your chest.

00:58:42.000 And he pushed against my chest, and I go, poff!

00:58:45.000 And he goes down, broke his nose, out!

00:58:48.000 Anybody more?

00:58:49.000 Nobody did anything.

00:58:50.000 I come home.

00:58:51.000 Police was already home.

00:58:54.000 And that was it.

00:58:55.000 No more Taekwondo for me.

00:58:56.000 So when I moved out of the house when I was 21, you know, that's when I started fighting.

00:59:01.000 That's when you start kickboxing and everything else?

00:59:03.000 Kickboxing, yeah.

00:59:04.000 Muay Thai.

00:59:04.000 And how did you transition into Pancrase?

00:59:06.000 Where did that come about?

00:59:07.000 You know, this is...

00:59:09.000 It's cool.

00:59:10.000 We've got time, right?

00:59:11.000 Yeah.

00:59:12.000 Okay, cool.

00:59:12.000 Now...

00:59:14.000 Let me go back.

00:59:15.000 Let me see.

00:59:16.000 I was fighting Thai boxing in Holland.

00:59:18.000 I won a lot of fights by knockout.

00:59:20.000 Like my first 14 fights I won by knockout.

00:59:22.000 13 in the first round.

00:59:23.000 Round 1, I was sick.

00:59:25.000 What was your final kickboxing record?

00:59:28.000 16 and 2. No, 14 wins, 2 losses.

00:59:35.000 So...

00:59:37.000 I fought this guy who was in jail for a long time, Frank Lopman, very powerful fighter.

00:59:45.000 Had a record like 52 with like three losses and like 48 knockouts, some monster.

00:59:52.000 Now apparently, I was a bouncer at the time, apparently on New Year's Day when I was bouncing I was also drunk.

01:00:00.000 That's an example.

01:00:01.000 And somebody asked me if I wanted to fight him.

01:00:04.000 And I said, sure.

01:00:06.000 So in, I think at the end of January, I get a phone call.

01:00:10.000 They asked me where to send the posters to.

01:00:12.000 And I said, what posters from the fights?

01:00:14.000 I said, who's going to fight?

01:00:15.000 You against Lopman.

01:00:16.000 And I go, who said that?

01:00:18.000 He said, you.

01:00:19.000 You told me that you're going to fight.

01:00:21.000 So now they had posters already.

01:00:22.000 I go like, okay.

01:00:24.000 You know, I might as well.

01:00:26.000 I got to do it now because otherwise you're going to think I'm scared, right?

01:00:30.000 So I had about...

01:00:32.000 Five weeks to train.

01:00:33.000 Now you gotta understand that I got tired from jumping rope the first time.

01:00:39.000 I was so out of shape it was not even funny.

01:00:42.000 So anyway, I go to the fights and I just had my knee, my shin, had this here.

01:00:47.000 There was a huge hole.

01:00:49.000 I did some crazy stuff on a wall.

01:00:51.000 There was a wall I jumped on.

01:00:53.000 I was always really good in jumping up like Randleman did.

01:00:56.000 You know, I could jump this high, like my chest here.

01:00:58.000 I would stand in front of it and jump on a wall.

01:01:01.000 But it had been raining, and I jumped on it, and my toes slid off, and it landed on my shin on it.

01:01:05.000 So I ripped my shin open.

01:01:08.000 So the day of the fight was all wild flash, and we had to tape, you know, and it was like super glue and everything, and my friend says, okay, lidocaine, there it is again, right?

01:01:17.000 He says, you know, I said, just put it around.

01:01:19.000 He says, no, we'll numb up the whole leg.

01:01:21.000 You know, don't worry about it.

01:01:22.000 He says, and he put it in my butt.

01:01:24.000 No!

01:01:25.000 So he says, the leg will be numb.

01:01:27.000 And you'll see that fight.

01:01:28.000 You'll see that fight.

01:01:30.000 I'm like jumping.

01:01:31.000 I never jump when I fight.

01:01:33.000 And the whole time, you know, and I'm shaking my leg and I can't feel my leg.

01:01:36.000 It's like the weirdest thing, you know?

01:01:38.000 Oh, no.

01:01:38.000 So then they said there was a knockout.

01:01:42.000 It was a knockout.

01:01:42.000 When you look at the fight, you'll see.

01:01:43.000 I don't think he even hits me.

01:01:45.000 But I'm landing on my butt and I want to get up and I can't get up.

01:01:48.000 My leg doesn't work.

01:01:50.000 And I go, whoa!

01:01:51.000 You know?

01:01:52.000 I said, man, my leg doesn't work.

01:01:53.000 And the referee stopped the fight.

01:01:55.000 Then all the people start saying, see, I always said that he cannot fight.

01:02:01.000 So that really bugged me, of course.

01:02:03.000 Anyway, I said, okay, I'll fight another fight.

01:02:06.000 Shouldn't have done that either because on the three days or four days before the fight, I helped a buddy of mine out.

01:02:14.000 They really beat the crap out of me.

01:02:16.000 He had his jaw all the way wired, you know, and his mouth was closed.

01:02:20.000 So we went to the guys who did it, and we got in a little scuffle there, of course, and they threw me in jail for a couple of days in the jail.

01:02:27.000 One is why you can't get in Canada.

01:02:29.000 Right.

01:02:31.000 But it's a long time ago.

01:02:32.000 In the jail, I had, for some reason, I got an infection in one of my testicles.

01:02:37.000 Whoa.

01:02:38.000 And it became, like, really big.

01:02:39.000 And it was hurting a lot.

01:02:41.000 And they let me out, you know, because it was only a few days.

01:02:44.000 They did the whole test.

01:02:45.000 They found out that, you know, what the guys did.

01:02:47.000 And they say, you know what, we're not going to bring you to court.

01:02:51.000 They kind of felt that we were right, you know, doing what we did.

01:02:56.000 Anyway, I still fought and I shouldn't have taken a fight.

01:02:59.000 I knocked the guy down three times in the first round and then actually I win.

01:03:06.000 I make a spinning of a backfist.

01:03:09.000 Oh yeah, that was it.

01:03:09.000 He's standing in front of me and I'm so tired, you know, my body is so tired and I go boom!

01:03:15.000 I give him a backfist in his neck and he goes down.

01:03:19.000 So I think I won the fight.

01:03:21.000 And apparently, like a month before, there was a rule that if you did a bat fist, you only could do it with a turn.

01:03:28.000 Some bullshit will have.

01:03:29.000 Yeah, it was bullshit.

01:03:31.000 Anyway...

01:03:32.000 I couldn't come out for the second round because I was too tired.

01:03:35.000 And they said, okay, now it really started in Holland.

01:03:39.000 You see, I always said, he's not so good, blah, blah, blah.

01:03:42.000 And I said, okay, I never fight for Holland anymore.

01:03:44.000 This is over.

01:03:45.000 You know, if these fans are like this, I don't want to fight in front of people like this.

01:03:50.000 Very sensitive.

01:03:51.000 Yeah, it is.

01:03:53.000 Because, you know, it's your life.

01:03:55.000 But it was always that I wanted to do something with martial arts.

01:03:59.000 A buddy of mine, both together we made this show.

01:04:02.000 It's like an...

01:04:05.000 A martial arts show on music.

01:04:08.000 And we started doing this in like nightclubs.

01:04:11.000 And we would like, but really cool, really cool stuff.

01:04:14.000 I would kick him in the belly like Bruce Lee and Anthony Dragon, right?

01:04:17.000 He would grab my foot, throw me back, and I would make a flying kick in his face and land.

01:04:22.000 And, you know, we did all that cool stuff.

01:04:24.000 We would come on with like a cartwheel, flick flick, and that's the way we would walk to the place.

01:04:31.000 And we had bows, and we did nunchucks, and we did, like, brake tests, the crazy stuff, and little cups on his mouth.

01:04:38.000 I would kick, spinning back in here and jump up and jumping, flying back in the cup of his head, you know, so good quality martial arts, but we start putting comedy in there also, like funny things that...

01:04:52.000 For instance, I would stand there very seriously with a suit and I'd go, go get the cups.

01:04:57.000 And the guy would come back and he had these little cups and I kept looking straight and go, no, the other ones.

01:05:03.000 What?

01:05:04.000 The other ones.

01:05:04.000 And he'd go, okay.

01:05:05.000 So then he would walk and he would come back with cups like this, like buckets.

01:05:09.000 Stuff like that.

01:05:10.000 We started doing stuff like that.

01:05:12.000 There's also a funny one.

01:05:14.000 I would do a brake test and the same thing.

01:05:16.000 We would come with the brake test and go, take the other ones.

01:05:19.000 So then he came back and he had these wooden things that were this thick.

01:05:23.000 Little thin things.

01:05:24.000 And he would spread them out like a deck card.

01:05:26.000 And I would pick one, right?

01:05:27.000 And he would hold it.

01:05:29.000 And then I would stand in front of it and I'd go...

01:05:31.000 And then he would, because of fear, he would break it already.

01:05:35.000 Stuff like that we would do.

01:05:37.000 And that caught on real fast.

01:05:38.000 People really started to seem to like that.

01:05:40.000 So suddenly we were doing this on bigger shows.

01:05:43.000 First in nightclubs, then we started doing it on shows like events, big events.

01:05:47.000 Rob Kamen, when he was fighting, I think that when he had the main event one time, we were in the break, you know, showing this to the people.

01:05:54.000 So that got aired.

01:05:55.000 And then we were on Dutch TV and then Eurosport saw it and they had an event yearly in France and we went to there and we started traveling now and doing these shows all over the place.

01:06:05.000 And comedy was always the thing.

01:06:07.000 Once we start doing the comedy, people will know me.

01:06:09.000 There's a few of those things on YouTube, actually.

01:06:13.000 So, on one of these shows, because we came up with all these flip flicks and somersaults and all that stuff, Chris Dolman was sitting there.

01:06:19.000 And Chris Dolman is one of the forefathers in Holland.

01:06:22.000 He was a judo champion, tough guy, you know.

01:06:25.000 And he called me to him and he says, man, you got some really good abilities, man.

01:06:30.000 Did you ever think about free fighting?

01:06:31.000 You know what it is?

01:06:32.000 He says, no.

01:06:32.000 He says, well, we do that in Japan.

01:06:35.000 Are you interested?

01:06:36.000 I say, sure.

01:06:37.000 Because I go, okay, that's not Holland.

01:06:39.000 That's Japan, right?

01:06:41.000 So he says, come and try it out.

01:06:42.000 So I walk in there and at that moment I was, you know, European champion Thai boxing.

01:06:46.000 So it was because those two fights weren't for a title.

01:06:50.000 So I thought I was the cool dude.

01:06:52.000 And that was literally like Horace Gracie in the beginning.

01:06:55.000 You know, I walk in and they killed me.

01:06:58.000 And they will put on these chokes, not blood chokes, but like on my windpipe, you know, and Pulling, pulling, pulling, because a lot of those guys...

01:07:04.000 So you had no grappling back then?

01:07:06.000 Zero.

01:07:07.000 Did you know that they were going to grapple when you went there?

01:07:09.000 No.

01:07:10.000 No, nothing.

01:07:10.000 Nothing.

01:07:11.000 I had no clue.

01:07:11.000 I saw them on the ground, and then they said, okay, just go.

01:07:14.000 Whoa.

01:07:14.000 So I had no clue what I was going to do.

01:07:15.000 So you showed up, you just thought it was just some kind of a crazy fight, you had no idea.

01:07:18.000 Just fighting.

01:07:19.000 So we're training, and I literally, when I drove back, I had to stop my car next to the road, and I had one of the first Philips cell phones.

01:07:28.000 It was really cool at the time.

01:07:29.000 I remember these pretty big ones.

01:07:31.000 And I called my wife.

01:07:32.000 I said, listen, I have my car next to the road here.

01:07:35.000 I'm going to sleep.

01:07:36.000 I said, I can't drive.

01:07:37.000 It broke me.

01:07:39.000 I had to drink liquid food for like three days because my whole throat was messed up because I thought I could hold that.

01:07:46.000 You know, so I was just fighting it and they were pulling, pulling till, yeah, at the end I would tap, but it was all crushed up and my wife was already laughing.

01:07:54.000 She says, ah, okay, so that's it, right?

01:07:56.000 I said, no, no, no, I'm gonna go back and within six months, three, six months, I'm gonna tap everybody there, you know, because I wanna learn this.

01:08:03.000 I wanna learn this game.

01:08:04.000 But things started happening and I got an injury here, an injury there, and I had to work and I was a bouncer and you know, once a month I would go over there and it kind of faded away.

01:08:16.000 Then my wife looks at me in the beginning of our career and she says, you're going to be a famous fighter in Japan.

01:08:22.000 And I go, why did you say that?

01:08:25.000 She says, that just came up with me.

01:08:27.000 I said, no, I'm not going to fight anymore, I told you.

01:08:29.000 She said, yeah, you said Holland, but you're going to go to Japan.

01:08:32.000 Six months after she made that comment, I get a phone call.

01:08:36.000 And I never pick up the phone.

01:08:37.000 And the answering machine was broke.

01:08:40.000 Or turned off because my crazy ex-wife was calling all the time, so I didn't turn on.

01:08:44.000 So I get the...

01:08:46.000 I pick up the phone for some reason.

01:08:48.000 And it's Chris Dolman.

01:08:49.000 He says, boss, you got to come tonight.

01:08:51.000 You got to come to Amsterdam.

01:08:53.000 There's a tryout.

01:08:54.000 There's two guys here, Suzuki and Fanaki.

01:08:55.000 They're looking for fighters, for a new organization, bankers.

01:08:58.000 So I went to the tryout.

01:09:00.000 I had a scuffle with one of the rings champions, because they were fighting for rings.

01:09:05.000 But it was a lot of work, I heard already, that they were having works.

01:09:09.000 By works, you mean fixed fights?

01:09:10.000 Fixed fights.

01:09:11.000 There was a lot of that in Pancreas, right?

01:09:13.000 No, there was in rings.

01:09:14.000 In Pancreas, I will come back to that.

01:09:16.000 No, no, I believe so that there was, but not what the people said.

01:09:19.000 Like, they never asked me.

01:09:20.000 Well, I'll come back to that also.

01:09:23.000 Anyway, because he told me right there, he says, you know, it's probably going to ask you a little bit later if you want to lose a fight.

01:09:29.000 Anyway, I started sparring with this guy.

01:09:30.000 This guy was a rings champion.

01:09:32.000 He tried to hurt me because they were filming.

01:09:34.000 Result was me knocking him out with a high kick, boom, and his whole eyebrow was open.

01:09:39.000 He had to go to the hospital for stitches.

01:09:40.000 Suzuki and Fanaki, I saw them pointing at me.

01:09:43.000 So they wanted me.

01:09:45.000 I think two months, two and a half months later, I was in Japan.

01:09:48.000 And before I went, I got that speech from Chris Norman.

01:09:51.000 He said, they're probably going to ask you, you know, to lose or to win a fight.

01:09:55.000 I said, Chris, I don't want to do that.

01:09:57.000 If I fight, it needs to be real.

01:09:59.000 Otherwise, I hated those guys who were there.

01:10:03.000 And they would come back and they would say, yeah, I became a champion.

01:10:07.000 And they were all cool.

01:10:09.000 But then when they came back and they had to lose, they would come back and they say, yeah, I lost.

01:10:13.000 But, you know, they...

01:10:15.000 I had to lose.

01:10:16.000 Last time, they made you win.

01:10:18.000 But you don't say that.

01:10:19.000 But you only say it when you lose.

01:10:21.000 So I hated those guys with that.

01:10:22.000 You're not a real guy.

01:10:24.000 So I knocked the first guy out.

01:10:26.000 And in the second fight, I knocked the other guy out, Fouquet.

01:10:30.000 And then, by the way, we had dinner with Funakya Suzuki and Ida Gagath.

01:10:34.000 Here we go.

01:10:35.000 So dinner, they gave me a book from Fujiwara, a really good wrestler.

01:10:39.000 And we had a great dinner.

01:10:41.000 And they put me on a cab.

01:10:43.000 And just before they walked in, I go, whoa, whoa, wait.

01:10:46.000 I said, I thought you guys were going to ask me something.

01:10:49.000 He said, what do you mean?

01:10:49.000 He says, well, Chris Dolman told me that, you know, that you're probably going to ask to throw the fight.

01:10:55.000 And Suzuki told me straight in my face, I will never ask you such a thing.

01:10:59.000 He said, we will never do that.

01:11:01.000 Now, over the years, I've been hearing, of course, and some fights, when you look at fights, it looks really smooth and going over.

01:11:08.000 and like Ken Shamrock said he lost also he lost the lost fights were all works you know it's also you go like okay he lost twice by exactly the same combination and he'll look into a knee bar against the same opponent and you go like if it was a not real wouldn't you come up with something else would you really do two times the same you see so that's been also in my head did you ever see Bart Vale versus Ken Shamrock No.

01:11:33.000 It looks so fake.

01:11:34.000 It's one of the early ones that looks really like a work.

01:11:37.000 There's a few that look really like a work.

01:11:40.000 That's one of them.

01:11:41.000 You know, you've seen the ones in Pride, like, remember when Coleman fought Takata?

01:11:44.000 Oh, got Takata.

01:11:45.000 Were you commentating on that one?

01:11:48.000 Oh my God, I hated my guts because it was the funniest thing ever.

01:11:51.000 We knew that Coleman was going to lose in six minutes with a heel hook, right?

01:11:55.000 We knew.

01:11:56.000 That was the word.

01:11:57.000 I heard that.

01:11:57.000 So when the reporters came in, they asked me, who do you think is going to win?

01:12:02.000 And I say, Takara's going to win in about six minutes with the heel hook.

01:12:08.000 And they went around and they changed it.

01:12:11.000 They went like faster or something.

01:12:13.000 They really didn't like that, that I was doing that.

01:12:15.000 But I go like, that's something again.

01:12:18.000 That's why sometimes I get emotional from it when people say, oh, that was fake.

01:12:22.000 And then the worst one, what they say is, yeah, but sometimes it was fake and boss didn't know of it.

01:12:27.000 So they told the opponent to lose against boss.

01:12:31.000 I fought against Funaki, and then one guy said one time, he said, yeah, that wasn't work because he didn't hurt you.

01:12:39.000 I said, when did he decide that he was going to lose?

01:12:42.000 Was it before or after he tried to break my freaking leg?

01:12:45.000 I mean, I know if you see the fight, he pushed me a heel hook, an inverted heel hook, with the toes in his neck, and my heel is 180 degrees there.

01:12:54.000 I'm literally looking at my own leg, And I go, oh my god, I don't feel it, you know?

01:12:59.000 That I thought, nobody else.

01:13:00.000 That was a big risk what he was going to take if this was a fake fight, right?

01:13:04.000 And he did it like two or three times.

01:13:06.000 And you'll see my leg completely be turned the other way.

01:13:08.000 Did you suffer any damage?

01:13:10.000 No, I have no clue how that is.

01:13:12.000 Reverse heel hook is one of the worst, right?

01:13:13.000 It's the worst one.

01:13:14.000 I broke this.

01:13:15.000 I'm walking on the street, right?

01:13:17.000 And we certainly be here with all the fighters, we hear, Hybrid wrestling, bankers.

01:13:21.000 And we look and there's this giant screen.

01:13:24.000 And the first thing you see is me giving a palm strike and the guy goes down and we go, yay!

01:13:28.000 And it's the promo for the next day.

01:13:31.000 So I see this guy, Takahashi, sitting in a half guard and he grabs a heel And he falls back.

01:13:39.000 And I go, this is the time I had nobody to roll with, right?

01:13:41.000 I trained on the back two times a day.

01:13:43.000 My first year and a half in Pancras was me training on the back pretty much.

01:13:47.000 No wrestling, no Jiu-Jitsu training?

01:13:49.000 No, pretty much nothing.

01:13:50.000 Like rolling around.

01:13:51.000 If there was somebody who knew judo, he would come.

01:13:54.000 I mean, I'm talking about once every three weeks.

01:13:56.000 I'm not kidding.

01:13:58.000 So next day I'm in that position, and I go, ah, might as well try it, right?

01:14:02.000 So I grab that heel, but since I never did it, I didn't realize how much pressure I put on.

01:14:07.000 So I grab it, and I fall back using my body weight.

01:14:10.000 I snap the shin in half.

01:14:11.000 So first we hear, we hear go, clack!

01:14:14.000 You know, so I go, whoa, you see me letting go?

01:14:16.000 And then he feels his knee, and he's like, you want to fight?

01:14:20.000 He said, yeah.

01:14:21.000 But I go like, well, dude, I hurt your knee, snap, because we thought it was a knee.

01:14:25.000 But apparently it was still like a little stuck on, that leg, so then he kicks with that leg, and I flex my muscle, you see, and then when he puts the foot down, it bends all the way out, you know, it's like that.

01:14:36.000 I've seen that a few times.

01:14:38.000 I've seen it a few times with checked legs.

01:14:40.000 Only in person once, Corey Hill and...

01:14:42.000 God, who did he fight?

01:14:43.000 I forget who he fought.

01:14:45.000 Brent, no, what the hell's his name?

01:14:47.000 Anyway, whoever he fought, he checks his kick and Corey Hill's leg snaps backwards.

01:14:52.000 The referee didn't even see it.

01:14:54.000 So Corey goes down and the referee was in a bad angle.

01:14:56.000 We're all screaming, stop the fight.

01:14:59.000 Referee didn't even know and he's just on his back like freaking out.

01:15:02.000 That's dangerous, man.

01:15:03.000 Especially the shin when it splintered, you know, and it hits a wrong...

01:15:06.000 Oh yeah, you can bleed out, you can bleed out.

01:15:08.000 The guy, you showed me, I think, on Twitter, you sent a tweet with the guy who was fighting with the broken arm.

01:15:15.000 Yeah.

01:15:15.000 Remember?

01:15:16.000 I mean, how tough is that dude?

01:15:17.000 And he didn't feel it.

01:15:18.000 Then the referee saw it in the round three, and then they stopped the fight.

01:15:21.000 But this guy was just going, annihilating the other guy with it.

01:15:24.000 It was unbelievable.

01:15:24.000 Both these guys were actually really good.

01:15:26.000 I go, what organization was that?

01:15:28.000 Well, you know, Rich Franklin, when he fought Chuck Liddell, he broke his arm, he punched Chuck with it after it was broken.

01:15:33.000 Yeah.

01:15:34.000 God, so you went and after your fighting career was done, then you started doing the commentary in Japan.

01:15:41.000 You had a couple of fights after that, the Ruben Villarreal fight you had in the WFA. What happened was that I would have Mark Kerr and Marco Huas and Pedro Hizo and all these guys that were training with us in the Beverly Hills Jiu-Jitsu Club, and I would train those guys and I would go with them as corner men.

01:15:57.000 And in Japan, when you fight, you see the fights are on in the dressing room.

01:16:03.000 So I'm sitting, I'm watching there, and Yukino and Hideki, those two guys, the people from Pride who live in America, you know, who are the in-between persons, so to say.

01:16:15.000 Are there also?

01:16:16.000 And I go like, oh, look at that.

01:16:17.000 He's going to go for straight arm bar.

01:16:19.000 I say on his right arm, watch out, watch out.

01:16:21.000 Here he comes.

01:16:22.000 Boom.

01:16:22.000 And the guy's got straight arm bar.

01:16:23.000 So they look at me.

01:16:25.000 And then the next fight is right away also again.

01:16:27.000 I say, oh my God, he's looking for a knee bar.

01:16:29.000 Oh, he's going to roll in.

01:16:30.000 He's going to roll.

01:16:31.000 He's going to go for knee bar.

01:16:32.000 And he rolls and he goes for knee bar.

01:16:34.000 And I go like, how do you know this?

01:16:36.000 I said, well, you can see the setup.

01:16:38.000 And they look at each other and I said, did you ever think about being a commentator?

01:16:43.000 And that's how I got the job.

01:16:45.000 Who was doing it before you?

01:16:46.000 Nobody, because they were looking at that moment.

01:16:49.000 They were looking at new people because they had the first nine or something.

01:16:54.000 Quadros and I, we did that in a studio later.

01:16:59.000 But I think the first one was...

01:17:04.000 No, Eddie did it with Kradros for a while.

01:17:06.000 Eddie Bravo did it with Kradros.

01:17:06.000 He did it also, yeah.

01:17:07.000 And you came in and did it.

01:17:08.000 Hoyce Gracie.

01:17:09.000 Hoyce Gracie was the first one I was there.

01:17:10.000 That was the first one, I think, that got broadcasted to the States.

01:17:13.000 Now, this is after you'd fought in the UFC, after you'd won the title.

01:17:16.000 Were you completely done?

01:17:18.000 I mean, obviously, you had another fight in the WFA after that.

01:17:20.000 What was it like being there in pride during the glory days?

01:17:24.000 Did you think about making comebacks?

01:17:26.000 Because I know there was a talk.

01:17:27.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:17:27.000 No, I did.

01:17:28.000 I did.

01:17:28.000 It was two times.

01:17:29.000 Two times.

01:17:31.000 One time it was against Vanderlei Silva, because they needed an opponent for him that was at the event, that Dynamite event.

01:17:39.000 91,500 people, man, live, outside, crazy.

01:17:43.000 And they couldn't find an opponent.

01:17:45.000 And I said, listen, I didn't roll for a long time because I had problems.

01:17:48.000 I said, but everybody wants to see a strike anyway.

01:17:51.000 And there was also at the same card was K1. You remember Jerome LeBana was fighting Don Frye K1 rules.

01:17:56.000 So I said, so why don't we do K1 rules with MMA gloves?

01:18:00.000 I mean, that's what the people want to see anyway, you know, from us too.

01:18:03.000 But then that fight didn't go through.

01:18:05.000 They took somebody else.

01:18:07.000 And yeah, that would have been awesome, man.

01:18:09.000 Because at that time, man, I was...

01:18:12.000 I was hurting, like, a guy who holds the tie pads, I mean, he would have purple arms.

01:18:18.000 He would go, my God, this is no fun anymore, you know, because I was in shape.

01:18:21.000 You know, I had real good stamina.

01:18:23.000 Fuck, that would have been a great fight.

01:18:24.000 You against Vandele?

01:18:26.000 Holy shit, a pure stand-up fight?

01:18:29.000 And then when Ken came to Pride, I was the first one to say, I said, I come out of retirement if I can fight him.

01:18:38.000 But Ken said, oh, we did it already twice.

01:18:40.000 We don't need to do it the third time.

01:18:42.000 Really?

01:18:43.000 So he declined to fight in pride with you?

01:18:44.000 Yeah, that's what he came personally to tell me.

01:18:46.000 He says, boss, I told him that I didn't want to do it because he was ready for it two times.

01:18:50.000 What does that mean?

01:18:51.000 And you fought in Pancrace, you never fought in MMA. But also at that time, I was a totally different fighter.

01:18:58.000 Ken's fight against me made me who I am.

01:19:02.000 That fight was like literally God was watching and he says, okay, I give you this one guy to train with in Holland.

01:19:09.000 19-year-old Leon van Dijk, freaking monster.

01:19:12.000 He did on a machine with 275 pounds, he would do curls.

01:19:17.000 It was bizarre.

01:19:18.000 I would have him in an arm bar and I had better do two hands because he literally would start doing this.

01:19:23.000 It was insanely strong.

01:19:25.000 And I started training him.

01:19:26.000 Both we didn't know anything.

01:19:27.000 And we would watch tapes.

01:19:28.000 I would watch tapes.

01:19:29.000 I would see a heel hoop, for instance.

01:19:31.000 I would write down how it works.

01:19:33.000 Next day we start rolling.

01:19:34.000 I would go heel hook.

01:19:35.000 I'd go heel hook.

01:19:35.000 I'd say, okay, now let's break this down.

01:19:37.000 Let's see how we can make it better.

01:19:38.000 I'd say, okay, how can you escape?

01:19:40.000 Well, if I push this way, okay, so how can I stop you from doing this?

01:19:42.000 And we start breaking down every little thing.

01:19:45.000 I'd say, okay.

01:19:45.000 So you basically did it by yourself from scratch.

01:19:47.000 Everything.

01:19:47.000 No high level instruction at all?

01:19:49.000 Nothing.

01:19:50.000 I did everything myself.

01:19:52.000 And that's the cool part, because one time I got a phone call when my big DVDs of Combat come out, and it was at the time when B.J. Ford met Hughes all the way back.

01:20:02.000 And BJ called me and I said, hey, boss, it's BJ. I said, BJ Penn?

01:20:07.000 Yeah.

01:20:07.000 I said, wow.

01:20:08.000 I said, where do I owe this pleasure for?

01:20:11.000 He said, I just want to tell you, you made the best instructions that I've ever seen.

01:20:14.000 I said, man, that is so cool.

01:20:15.000 He says, you got to go.

01:20:16.000 I got to do my run.

01:20:17.000 I said, whoa, can I use your quote?

01:20:21.000 But that's cool stuff.

01:20:22.000 And I realized also that a lot of people...

01:20:25.000 A lot of fighters took everything straight out of jiu-jitsu and they put it into mixed martial arts.

01:20:30.000 And a lot of stuff straight out of jiu-jitsu doesn't work in mixed martial arts because it needs to be more compact.

01:20:35.000 Like the sleeve will take care that it's harder for you to roll out of an arm bar.

01:20:40.000 So that's why with arm bars with me, I always control the inside of the hand so you can rotate your hand.

01:20:45.000 Whatever arm bar pretty much I do, it's always control, control because I don't want it to rotate.

01:20:50.000 You know?

01:20:50.000 But he looks, and we start breaking everything down.

01:20:52.000 And then I say, okay, if I would tap him, for instance, with an armbar from the mountain, I'm just making something up.

01:20:58.000 He would, after three times, he would know my setup.

01:21:01.000 So I would create a different way to go to that armbar.

01:21:04.000 He would find that way out, and then I would create a different way.

01:21:07.000 So then, suddenly, I start, for every move, I start having three or four different ways to go to that submission.

01:21:11.000 And then I start tossing those around.

01:21:13.000 That seems so crazy.

01:21:14.000 It's like you had to learn jujitsu on your own.

01:21:17.000 On my own.

01:21:17.000 You had to figure it out.

01:21:19.000 Like, look at how people were doing it and deconstructing it.

01:21:22.000 And then my next eight fights, I trained for three months, I think, two times a day.

01:21:27.000 Sometimes I would wake up at night, would call him, and we would go around.

01:21:29.000 That guy was always game, always.

01:21:31.000 And we would train.

01:21:32.000 And my next eight fights, I won by submission.

01:21:36.000 That's ridiculous.

01:21:37.000 So when did you ever get real, legitimate jiu-jitsu instruction?

01:21:41.000 Did you get some in America?

01:21:42.000 Never.

01:21:43.000 Your whole career, you're self-taught?

01:21:45.000 Yeah, everything.

01:21:46.000 That's cool.

01:21:46.000 Wow!

01:21:47.000 And the cool part, and I always say this because I'm very proud of it, and that's why I'm saying it, is you, if you look at the record, in Pancras, that rope escapes, right?

01:21:56.000 That means that if you could get in a choke, but you could touch the rope, he had to let you go.

01:22:00.000 It's ridiculous.

01:22:00.000 But on the other side, it's really good for you as a fighter to develop.

01:22:05.000 Because now you have to be more strategical.

01:22:08.000 Now you have to make sure that you have him in the center of the ring before you go.

01:22:11.000 So then again, if you're going to miss it, you're in the center of the ring.

01:22:14.000 So there's more thinking.

01:22:15.000 Sometimes I want to fight with like four submissions.

01:22:18.000 So instead of going out there, I had now four submission victories pretty much in one fight.

01:22:23.000 And I think that that's why...

01:22:25.000 The Pancras guys were so good in the UFC. I think six or seven guys from Pancras became all UFC champions.

01:22:30.000 Because of that rule, I truly believe.

01:22:33.000 I know it's crazy.

01:22:34.000 I always said, as long as I don't have to escape.

01:22:37.000 Because if I escaped, for me, that would feel like a loss.

01:22:40.000 But I didn't.

01:22:41.000 You see?

01:22:41.000 So even allowing them to escape to you, it's good because it just means you get more submission work in.

01:22:46.000 Yeah!

01:22:47.000 I have another fight now.

01:22:48.000 You see what I mean?

01:22:49.000 So you have more fights than once.

01:22:50.000 So you feel like you won, you won already, and now let's do it again.

01:22:53.000 And let's do it again.

01:22:54.000 And then if you look at the ways I submitted people, you can call a submission.

01:22:58.000 Okay, a go-go plot I didn't do, but you can come up with some crazy stuff.

01:23:02.000 I put it in a heel hook, normally heel hook, inverted, knee bar, triangle, choke triangle, arm bar, figure fours.

01:23:07.000 How many fights did you have over in Pancreas?

01:23:13.000 31. 31?

01:23:15.000 Yeah.

01:23:16.000 Holy shit.

01:23:16.000 Over the course of how many years?

01:23:18.000 That was only over the course of five years.

01:23:19.000 I fought the first year, I fought nine fights, and the second nine again.

01:23:23.000 Wow.

01:23:23.000 And then the night, eight again.

01:23:24.000 I mean, I was on a high go.

01:23:26.000 I fought that in a pretty short time.

01:23:29.000 So by the time you got to the UFC, you had a shitload of fights.

01:23:33.000 All the Muay Thai fights, all the punk race fights, and then finally you got to fight MMA style.

01:23:39.000 Finally.

01:23:40.000 Because I wanted to go to the UFC for the entrance song.

01:23:46.000 I kid you not.

01:23:48.000 I thought that was the coolest thing.

01:23:50.000 The old, original one.

01:23:50.000 From Idaho and Holland.

01:24:02.000 And I go, I want to come up with that song.

01:24:05.000 That is so cool.

01:24:06.000 And that, really, they came and asked me.

01:24:08.000 I said, but that was the...

01:24:10.000 The deciding factor that I said, okay, I want to do it.

01:24:12.000 Because I just love that song.

01:24:14.000 They promoted the shit out of you when you first came.

01:24:17.000 Oh, I remember that?

01:24:17.000 I gave you one of the posters.

01:24:19.000 Brian sold it on eBay.

01:24:20.000 I used to have the old posters.

01:24:21.000 The world's best martial artist.

01:24:23.000 Greatest martial artist.

01:24:25.000 But it was cool.

01:24:25.000 And I had a great idea.

01:24:27.000 I had the three tenors.

01:24:30.000 You know, Pavarotti and all these guys.

01:24:31.000 They did a tour.

01:24:33.000 And on one of those tracks is I Like to Be in America.

01:24:37.000 And it's a 43-second clip.

01:24:39.000 And I told him, I said, I'd like to be in America.

01:24:41.000 And I thought, okay, please, let me put on that clip for 43 seconds, and then the UFC tune comes up.

01:24:48.000 I mean, I'm going to score here in America.

01:24:50.000 That's hilarious.

01:24:51.000 You were so worried about your opening music.

01:24:53.000 Oh, man, that was it.

01:24:54.000 For every fighter, I always got that.

01:24:56.000 Did you read the script already for Kevin's movie?

01:24:59.000 No, I haven't read it.

01:25:00.000 Oh, okay, because you're in it, right?

01:25:01.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:25:02.000 So, it's really fun.

01:25:03.000 It's Kevin James, who you don't know, who's trained with you a bunch of times, right?

01:25:06.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:25:06.000 He's a very talented martial artist.

01:25:08.000 He really is.

01:25:09.000 People are going to...

01:25:10.000 They don't know.

01:25:10.000 People are talking a lot of shit, like Kevin James, a comedian.

01:25:13.000 He's going to do a UFC movie.

01:25:15.000 Kevin James can hit the fucking shit out of the pads.

01:25:18.000 Yeah.

01:25:19.000 You know why he's going to When I was in Boston, when I was doing that Zookeeper movie with him, we trained with Mark Dellegrate, and I was like, God damn, dude, his fucking technique is crisp.

01:25:28.000 And you know what?

01:25:29.000 If I say, okay, you need to open your hip a little bit more, he'll do it the next time.

01:25:34.000 He's a very smart dude.

01:25:35.000 Yeah, he is.

01:25:36.000 He really is.

01:25:36.000 He hates it when we say this, because you say, oh, I don't want people...

01:25:40.000 He's a very humble guy.

01:25:42.000 He is.

01:25:43.000 Such a successful guy.

01:25:45.000 He's very humble.

01:25:45.000 I met him...

01:25:47.000 When he lived in that apartment on Overland, in a one-bedroom apartment which he shared with another guy.

01:25:53.000 And now he lives in a house, you know where he lives.

01:25:55.000 And then you go like, he's the same dude.

01:25:57.000 Same guy.

01:25:58.000 I've known Kevin since he was basically an open-miker.

01:26:00.000 I was the one who talked my manager into signing him.

01:26:04.000 Oh, wow.

01:26:04.000 He had only been doing comedy just like me.

01:26:06.000 We were both basically open micers.

01:26:07.000 We had done a little bit of professional work, but I mean, we've been doing comedy two, three years.

01:26:11.000 You're really an open miker that's getting paid.

01:26:13.000 You're an amateur, basically.

01:26:16.000 That's when Kevin and I met.

01:26:17.000 We met in like, shit, 91 maybe, 92?

01:26:20.000 Yeah, he said that you and he would watch the Pancras Fights all together.

01:26:25.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:26:25.000 That used to come over my house in Encino.

01:26:27.000 We would watch them, man.

01:26:28.000 I had a buddy of mine from Canada who would get them from Japan.

01:26:31.000 He had a connection in Japan.

01:26:33.000 So he would get them, they would send them to Canada, and then he would send them from Canada to me, and then we would watch them at my house.

01:26:40.000 We got all Japanese commentary.

01:26:42.000 I watched all of them.

01:26:43.000 I'd get a stack of them every month.

01:26:46.000 Yeah.

01:26:46.000 This was before I was even working for the UFC. Before I ever even started thinking about doing commentary.

01:26:52.000 Yeah.

01:26:53.000 Yeah, we were just fans.

01:26:54.000 How did you ever get in there?

01:26:56.000 Because you went from Fear Factor...

01:26:58.000 Before that, I started working in 97. Before you came to the UFC, I'd done the post-fight interviews for about two years.

01:27:06.000 I started at UFC 12, Dothan, Alabama, Vitor Belfort's debut.

01:27:11.000 Okay.

01:27:11.000 And I did it then.

01:27:12.000 I was on news radio, and what happened was they just needed a guy to do the post-fight interviews.

01:27:17.000 They didn't have anybody.

01:27:17.000 And my manager was friends with the same guy who signed Kevin.

01:27:21.000 My manager was friends with the guy who was one of the producers of the show, this guy Campbell McLaren, who was also the guy who tried to get me to fight Wesley Snipes one day.

01:27:29.000 So they needed someone to do the post-fight interviews.

01:27:33.000 And so he just sent me to fucking Alabama out of nowhere.

01:27:37.000 And before you know what I'm doing, it was very unorganized, though.

01:27:40.000 It's not like the UFC today.

01:27:41.000 I did it for maybe two years, but I saw a lot of great fights.

01:27:45.000 Shamrock versus Zinoviev.

01:27:47.000 I saw Randy Couture's debut, Vitor Belfort's debut, Dan Henderson's debut.

01:27:53.000 I mean, I was there for a lot of great, great fights.

01:27:55.000 But it started to cost me money, so I quit.

01:27:57.000 It was like I would make more money doing comedy than that.

01:28:00.000 So it was a little too...

01:28:01.000 And I was on news radio at the time, the sitcom.

01:28:04.000 So I was too busy.

01:28:05.000 So I quit.

01:28:06.000 And then when the UFC came along, when Zufa, rather, purchased the UFC, then I started working for them.

01:28:11.000 That was 2002. And when did you fear factor?

01:28:13.000 That was at that time also?

01:28:15.000 Yeah, Fear Factor was 2001, I believe it started, and I was already on Fear Factor when I started working for the UFC. I did it as a favor.

01:28:23.000 The first, I think, eight shows I did for free.

01:28:26.000 I just said, you know, they wanted me to do commentary, and I was like, all right, I'll do it.

01:28:31.000 I'll sit in there.

01:28:31.000 I'll do that.

01:28:32.000 I was just talking, you know?

01:28:34.000 Yeah, really, honestly, I shouldn't have been paid for the first one, so I wasn't very good at it.

01:28:37.000 Yeah, no, but still, you know, that's the same as fighting.

01:28:39.000 You don't care about money, but until, you know, suddenly you go like, okay, well, actually, she's got paid for it.

01:28:44.000 Well, then it became, you know, it became the thing that I enjoyed most.

01:28:47.000 I mean, it's like stand-up comedy I enjoy the most.

01:28:49.000 I'll always be a fan of mixed martial arts, even when I'm not doing...

01:28:53.000 If I retire one day and stop doing commentary, I'm always going to watch the fight.

01:28:56.000 I'm always going to be a fan.

01:28:57.000 But I'm always going to do stand-up comedy as a profession.

01:28:59.000 So that's my number one thing.

01:29:01.000 But other than that, all the things that I've ever done in my life, like a fear factor or a news radio, the UFC is the greatest fucking job ever.

01:29:09.000 I mean, I love it.

01:29:10.000 I always loved it also in Japan.

01:29:12.000 I would say to Maru, I would say Maru.

01:29:15.000 We're the only two in six billion right now who see freakin' Fedor versus Crow Cop.

01:29:24.000 Yeah.

01:29:25.000 Or Fedor and Noguera.

01:29:27.000 You know, those epic fights and Vandalay Silva annihilating, you know, Sakuraba.

01:29:32.000 Like, wow!

01:29:33.000 Crazy stuff.

01:29:35.000 And you were there for some prime fights.

01:29:36.000 Pride in the...

01:29:37.000 For people who don't know, weren't aware, Pride in the heyday was one of the best, if not the best, organization in the world because they had so many different rules.

01:29:47.000 First of all, there are a lot of things that I like.

01:29:48.000 They had 10 minutes for the first round.

01:29:50.000 I like that.

01:29:51.000 Because then, you know, a lot of times a guy would take a guy down with five minutes into the fight and then the round would end.

01:29:56.000 Yeah.

01:29:56.000 You know, and he was just starting to get and impose his part of the game.

01:30:00.000 Yeah.

01:30:00.000 But in the pride rules, they would give them a full 10-minute first round.

01:30:03.000 And they allowed soccer kicks and stomps.

01:30:06.000 I mean, it was a lot more brutal.

01:30:07.000 And knees to the face on the ground.

01:30:08.000 And no elbows on the ground.

01:30:09.000 No elbows.

01:30:09.000 So you had less cuts.

01:30:10.000 That's it.

01:30:11.000 That's what I always say.

01:30:12.000 I'd rather have them allow knees on the ground and get away from the guts.

01:30:17.000 Yeah, we know.

01:30:17.000 How many knockouts did you see with an elbow, right?

01:30:20.000 Five?

01:30:20.000 Yeah.

01:30:21.000 If that ever.

01:30:22.000 Yeah.

01:30:22.000 Well, it's a good weapon.

01:30:23.000 I mean, look, Jon Jones, when he used it on Brandon Vera, I mean, he broke his orbital bone.

01:30:27.000 Oh, yeah, but that's then one of the five.

01:30:29.000 You can name the other four.

01:30:30.000 You see?

01:30:31.000 Not that many, yeah.

01:30:32.000 But a lot of fights get stopped by cuts, and a lot of guys get cut.

01:30:36.000 And I hate that, because on the street, you wouldn't stop if you get cut.

01:30:39.000 You keep on fighting, you know?

01:30:40.000 It's not a real win.

01:30:41.000 I mean, there's guys who make careers out of it, you know?

01:30:44.000 But still, it's such an effective weapon.

01:30:46.000 I feel like you can't take it away either because it's so good.

01:30:49.000 It's a good technique.

01:30:50.000 Okay, maybe what they should do is...

01:30:53.000 Yeah, but again...

01:30:53.000 Could they pad the elbow?

01:30:55.000 Yeah, so something around it that at least it doesn't cut.

01:30:58.000 I'm totally for it if you knock them out, man.

01:31:00.000 I'm the biggest guy.

01:31:01.000 But not like laying on somebody and literally do...

01:31:04.000 They don't even load them up.

01:31:06.000 Right, right.

01:31:06.000 They just rub them, rub them, rub them, and then they get cut and they win the fight.

01:31:09.000 Yeah, I won the fight.

01:31:10.000 No, you didn't win the fight.

01:31:11.000 For me, you didn't win that fight.

01:31:13.000 Do you think they could solve that with a neoprene sleeve on the elbow, maybe?

01:31:16.000 The problem is, you know, it's like these crazy Muay Thai things that they have around, you know, that always starts moving and around.

01:31:22.000 It's going to be annoying.

01:31:24.000 People got to, you know, maybe surgically they have to...

01:31:28.000 Implant one.

01:31:30.000 Surgically implant a pad over your elbow.

01:31:32.000 Man, it's not here or not.

01:31:34.000 Yeah, it's you.

01:31:35.000 You're all fired up.

01:31:36.000 Yeah, this is awesome.

01:31:37.000 I like this.

01:31:37.000 So you did two fights in the UFC after you won the title with Randleman.

01:31:41.000 What made you stop?

01:31:44.000 Pain, pain, pain, pain.

01:31:45.000 That neck injury, I brought it all the way to the Randleman fight.

01:31:50.000 And it was still not gone.

01:31:51.000 It was hurting.

01:31:52.000 I couldn't sleep.

01:31:53.000 I wasn't sleeping pills for such a long time because of the pain.

01:31:57.000 There was always pain, pain in my neck.

01:31:59.000 And then I said, you know what, I'm going to start.

01:32:01.000 I tore biceps, like throwing the left hook in the air, pack.

01:32:04.000 I go, what?

01:32:05.000 Oh my God, what's going on now?

01:32:06.000 You know, I start breaking down, breaking down.

01:32:08.000 And then I started, I didn't do anything.

01:32:11.000 Then I started training.

01:32:13.000 Like three years after that, I started training and it started going good and the ground started going good and you know, okay, everything feels good and then I stopped.

01:32:24.000 And then, like two years later, two and a half years later, that's when they called me for the WFA, if I was interested.

01:32:31.000 They offered me a lot of money.

01:32:33.000 And apparently, what happened, this was funny also, because they, Kimo Leopoldo, to him, they said, he says, who do you want to fight?

01:32:41.000 And I said, Hickson.

01:32:43.000 That was the first, I said Hickson.

01:32:44.000 They said, we don't have the money for that.

01:32:46.000 It's never going to happen.

01:32:47.000 I said, okay, then...

01:32:48.000 Hickson's crazy, right?

01:32:49.000 He wants millions and millions of dollars to fight.

01:32:51.000 Yeah, that was at the time, you know, and I was just wanting to see what you can do against him, right?

01:32:56.000 And so they...

01:32:57.000 By the way, that would have been another awesome fight.

01:32:59.000 That would have been an awesome fight, man.

01:33:01.000 Holy shit.

01:33:02.000 You against Vandelay or you against Hickson.

01:33:04.000 Holy shit.

01:33:05.000 Yeah, that's a shame.

01:33:07.000 Anyway, then I said, I don't know, you know, I don't...

01:33:11.000 So you fought Villarreal?

01:33:12.000 No, no, no, they said Kimo Leopoldo.

01:33:14.000 So you chemo tested positive for steroids?

01:33:15.000 Yeah, but when they said Kimo Leopoldo, I said, are you sure?

01:33:17.000 I said, man, I just hang out with him in Japan when he fought in Japan.

01:33:20.000 It's kind of weird.

01:33:21.000 I said, no, no, no, he actually wants to fight you.

01:33:22.000 I said, oh, cool.

01:33:23.000 So then when we had the photo shoot, I go to the photo shoot and he's there and he's acting all weird, like giving me a hand, but like shying away.

01:33:29.000 And I go like, wow, he's taking this fight very serious, right?

01:33:33.000 I mean, what's going on?

01:33:34.000 Oh, yeah, we told him that you specifically asked for him.

01:33:36.000 I said, why would you do that?

01:33:39.000 That's not true.

01:33:41.000 And then I thought, you know what?

01:33:42.000 Am I going to tell him?

01:33:43.000 But then I thought, no, I'm not going to tell him.

01:33:44.000 Because if I tell him, then maybe he's not going to train as hard.

01:33:48.000 I wanted to have a tough fight.

01:33:50.000 So I thought, he's angry.

01:33:51.000 He's going to train harder.

01:33:53.000 It's going to be an awesome fight.

01:33:54.000 And then I thought...

01:33:56.000 That was my crazy mind.

01:33:58.000 I say, on the day of the fight, I would deliver a letter to him in the dressing room saying exactly what I just said.

01:34:06.000 So he would read, like, I knew this already, but I didn't want to tell you because I want you to be 100% before you fight me and full of stamina because you're going to need it.

01:34:15.000 I think that would be totally backfiring right away just before you fight.

01:34:19.000 So that was the setup to play.

01:34:21.000 And then, yeah, he got tested positive.

01:34:23.000 So then Ruben had to take his place.

01:34:25.000 No, there were a lot of guys.

01:34:27.000 Tank Abbott didn't want to do it.

01:34:28.000 And then there's a lot of bunch of guys they went over.

01:34:30.000 Because I said anybody, they came up with that.

01:34:33.000 Because I didn't duck anymore.

01:34:34.000 So Ruben was just the only one who was willing to take the fight.

01:34:36.000 Yeah.

01:34:37.000 Now, when you were over there in Japan, and you were there for all those great fights, like Noguera versus Krokop, and Noguera versus Fedor, and what was that like sitting there ringside?

01:34:50.000 I mean, did you want to just fucking jump in there sometimes?

01:34:52.000 No, you get crazy.

01:34:53.000 You get crazy.

01:34:54.000 You get crazy.

01:34:55.000 You were over there for some of the greatest fights ever.

01:34:58.000 Ever.

01:34:59.000 And nobody gets to take that away from you.

01:35:00.000 That's what they said with my fights also.

01:35:02.000 I won two fights, the first two fights in Pankers, and one guy in Holland says, he says, boss, everybody was saying, oh, he's going to lose, he's going to lose, he's going to lose.

01:35:07.000 You know, like a very negative public country.

01:35:10.000 And one guy says, boss, whatever happens, they never take this away from you anymore.

01:35:14.000 So, lock this up.

01:35:15.000 You got this, you know?

01:35:17.000 And that's with those fights also.

01:35:19.000 That's something that you carry on with the rest of your life.

01:35:21.000 They were great moments.

01:35:22.000 And to interview those guys, you know, to reenact with them and do crazy stuff.

01:35:26.000 And then when I start doing these crazy openings, you know, these funny little clips.

01:35:29.000 Yeah, those were fun, man.

01:35:30.000 I liked those.

01:35:31.000 Who didn't like those?

01:35:32.000 Because they pulled those things out.

01:35:34.000 That was that Jerry Millen came in.

01:35:35.000 Oh, that guy.

01:35:35.000 That guy.

01:35:36.000 Yeah.

01:35:36.000 You know, he was suddenly, everything needed to be the same as boxing.

01:35:39.000 And I go, why?

01:35:41.000 We're going to be the same as everybody else.

01:35:43.000 You know, let it be like...

01:35:45.000 How many fights did you do over there in Pride?

01:35:47.000 How many cards?

01:35:48.000 Oh, God.

01:35:49.000 I don't know.

01:35:50.000 I mean, when they started Bushido also, I was there 12 times a year.

01:35:54.000 Wow.

01:35:54.000 Every month.

01:35:54.000 I was like five, six times.

01:35:56.000 Yeah, I have no clue.

01:35:57.000 So during the heyday, it must have been completely insane.

01:36:00.000 I mean, I heard stories about guys getting paid with stacks of money.

01:36:04.000 Stacks of money.

01:36:04.000 It was crazy.

01:36:05.000 All crisp, all numbers, exactly in a row.

01:36:08.000 I mean, if they would walk in there with guns, but yeah, then again, you don't want to do that, I guess.

01:36:14.000 There's a lot of money there.

01:36:16.000 Japan is run by the Yakuza, right?

01:36:19.000 That's the whole deal with Pride and all these organizations.

01:36:22.000 And that's accepted.

01:36:23.000 That's a part of Japanese culture, right?

01:36:25.000 Is that just how it works?

01:36:26.000 No, no, no.

01:36:26.000 It's not accepted.

01:36:28.000 Because when it came out...

01:36:31.000 Then it was over, right?

01:36:33.000 Because then the TV said, we don't want to be associated with it.

01:36:36.000 And they pulled the money out.

01:36:37.000 Was that just because it was made public?

01:36:39.000 But it was already known, right?

01:36:41.000 I think it was made public.

01:36:42.000 Forget this.

01:36:44.000 It was a pass from Joe Rogan for a buddy of mine.

01:36:47.000 Oh yeah, I gave him a UFC pass for a buddy of mine.

01:36:50.000 Yeah, that's cool.

01:36:50.000 Is that your phone that keeps going on?

01:36:51.000 I have no clue.

01:36:53.000 Let me see.

01:36:54.000 Oh, my battery's still low for use.

01:36:57.000 Okay, good.

01:36:58.000 I'll turn it out.

01:36:59.000 So when you were over there, though, when you were watching all these classic fights, I mean, like I said, you'd been there for, I mean, you were there for Shogun Mark Coleman, you were there for Shogun versus Rampage, Rampage versus Arona, I mean, some of the greatest fights of all time.

01:37:15.000 Rampage, the things that we did with Rampage, how, you know, I remember my first, when he fought Sakuraba, and he lost that fight, I took him to the side, I said, listen, You got it, man.

01:37:27.000 You got this thing.

01:37:28.000 They love you.

01:37:29.000 I said, make sure this doesn't happen anymore because they actually had to get him out of jail to get there to fight.

01:37:35.000 There was a whole stress thing going on because he had a warrant out of him or something and he was at the airport and they got him and they put him in jail.

01:37:44.000 Really?

01:37:44.000 Yeah, but then the Pride people started talking.

01:37:46.000 They got him out.

01:37:46.000 They made pictures of it.

01:37:48.000 He's standing in front of the jail.

01:37:49.000 It was on the cover of all the newspapers.

01:37:52.000 He's standing there with his big chain, you know, and that was Quentin.

01:37:56.000 He came in.

01:37:57.000 Now, what was going on back then at that time was Pride was a mainstream Japanese sensation.

01:38:05.000 It was huge in mainstream Japan, right?

01:38:08.000 It wasn't like mixed martial arts in America back then was not nearly as successful as it is today.

01:38:14.000 A small show was 43,000 people.

01:38:18.000 Damn!

01:38:19.000 Yeah, and they would sell out all the time.

01:38:22.000 The biggest show, 91 and a half.

01:38:24.000 Tokyo Dome, 55,000, 60,000.

01:38:26.000 I mean, it was crazy.

01:38:28.000 And you would go out on the street and you would get mobbed.

01:38:29.000 Oh man, everywhere, everybody.

01:38:32.000 So what happened?

01:38:33.000 What happened over there?

01:38:35.000 Because it stopped being like that.

01:38:36.000 It stopped being like because of that.

01:38:38.000 Because of the Yakuza.

01:38:39.000 Yeah, when the TV pulled everything out, it was over.

01:38:44.000 That's when everything went down to drain.

01:38:46.000 But it was so successful, so many people liked it.

01:38:48.000 I couldn't imagine that someone else wouldn't come along.

01:38:51.000 No, no, no.

01:38:51.000 I think the main reason of this is...

01:38:53.000 Sakuraba started to lose.

01:38:57.000 An organization in Japan, in order to be successful, they need a star.

01:39:03.000 And where are you going to fight?

01:39:04.000 Good luck to find another Sakuraba who beat four graces.

01:39:09.000 Unbelievable fighter.

01:39:13.000 K1 never got big in America.

01:39:15.000 Why?

01:39:15.000 They don't have an American champion.

01:39:17.000 They have an American champion in America, K1, but that guy doesn't do good at the final tournament.

01:39:23.000 But once an American guy is going to win in Japan, you watch, then K1 becomes very interesting for the people.

01:39:30.000 It's logic.

01:39:31.000 You want to root for your own guy.

01:39:33.000 That's funny, though, because, you know, I mean, Horace Gracie, when he won in America, he was a hugely popular guy, and he's from Brazil.

01:39:39.000 Yeah.

01:39:39.000 I think if they had K-1 over in America, I just think people, you know, Dana White and I had a conversation about this when he was talking about how kickboxing has a negative stigma in America because of PKA karate.

01:39:50.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:39:50.000 The old, boring kickboxing that they used to have on ESPN. Eight kicks above the waist or something.

01:39:55.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:39:55.000 Well, you couldn't even kick low.

01:39:57.000 Yeah.

01:39:57.000 You couldn't kick low at all.

01:39:58.000 Very few of the, I mean, they would occasionally, they would show you a low kick fight, you know, it would allow.

01:40:03.000 Yeah, for the most part, it was like they would wear those big stupid slippers on their feet.

01:40:09.000 They wouldn't really kick.

01:40:10.000 It wasn't exciting.

01:40:11.000 It wasn't nearly as exciting as boxing or Muay Thai.

01:40:14.000 But the K1 now, if you watch the Grand Prix now...

01:40:16.000 That's bizarre.

01:40:17.000 It's the best show ever.

01:40:18.000 So exciting.

01:40:19.000 Best show.

01:40:20.000 And Max as well.

01:40:21.000 The K1 Max, the lighter weight guys.

01:40:23.000 Man, it's...

01:40:23.000 Giorgio Petrosian.

01:40:24.000 I mean, shit.

01:40:25.000 It's unbelievable, right?

01:40:26.000 Tell me, that guy couldn't be a star in America, or Alistair especially.

01:40:30.000 Yeah, but the thing is, in the beginning it will work, but eventually people want to see an American champion.

01:40:37.000 Well, I think maybe if it was really big and successful over here, you would have some Americans that would do well.

01:40:41.000 But they would have to know that that's a legitimate avenue for a profession.

01:40:46.000 You know, guys like Pat Barry.

01:40:48.000 You know, guys who are real serious fucking strikers.

01:40:50.000 You know, there's not that many of them.

01:40:53.000 There is not.

01:40:53.000 No, there's really not.

01:40:55.000 And, you know, the...

01:40:56.000 In America, there's no venue.

01:40:58.000 They have to go out of the country to get real high-level fights.

01:41:01.000 It's very hard.

01:41:02.000 Maurice Smith would say he was at the top of the pyramid at the time and he didn't make it over there.

01:41:07.000 So then they go like, okay, because who was going to beat Maurice Smith in America?

01:41:11.000 Nobody, right?

01:41:13.000 Maurice, he was another interesting guy when he first came to the UFC. I was there for his debut.

01:41:19.000 I was there when he fought Mark Coleman.

01:41:20.000 No, but he gave him a chance.

01:41:22.000 Everybody thought Maurice was going to get killed.

01:41:24.000 I remember backstage, he was so relaxed.

01:41:26.000 He was hanging out and goofing around and laughing.

01:41:29.000 I'm like, does this guy know he's going to go get fucking stomped by the biggest guy in the game?

01:41:35.000 Mark Coleman was a fucking destroyer back then.

01:41:38.000 But Maurice was the first guy to have that real high-level cardio.

01:41:42.000 He was the first guy to just not get tired.

01:41:44.000 He knew Mark was going to get tired.

01:41:46.000 I fought him.

01:41:47.000 I fought him twice.

01:41:48.000 You submitted him, didn't you?

01:41:50.000 Yeah, twice.

01:41:51.000 It was fun.

01:41:52.000 The best one was the first time.

01:41:55.000 I'm standing here, and he makes a kick.

01:41:56.000 I go, punch him.

01:41:58.000 And he goes, whoa, fast.

01:41:59.000 And right away, I give him a high kick.

01:42:01.000 Poof!

01:42:01.000 And it's on his defense.

01:42:02.000 Clive very close.

01:42:04.000 So I think, oh, cool, I make another one.

01:42:05.000 Right away, I make a switch kick, and I kick, and I slip, and I fall on the ground.

01:42:09.000 And he wants to jump on top of me.

01:42:10.000 And I go, wait.

01:42:11.000 He stops and I get up and I go, thanks.

01:42:15.000 So when you said wait, he just listened to you?

01:42:19.000 Yeah, you got to see that fight.

01:42:20.000 You got to laugh.

01:42:20.000 It's the funniest thing.

01:42:22.000 Hey, it's legal, right?

01:42:23.000 That's hilarious.

01:42:24.000 Yeah, that was hilarious.

01:42:25.000 That was funny.

01:42:26.000 And then he tried to take my back.

01:42:27.000 This was the coolest.

01:42:28.000 I did a knee bar, upside down knee bar.

01:42:31.000 I'm on my head, feet up, knee barring him.

01:42:34.000 I'm standing against the ropes and he's trying to get my back.

01:42:37.000 So you just dove down on a knee bar?

01:42:39.000 That's it.

01:42:40.000 I go like, okay, get my back.

01:42:41.000 So right away when he did it, I dove in, but he grabs the ropes.

01:42:44.000 So I'm standing upside down on the top of my head and I have the knee bar and he's tapping on the ropes.

01:42:50.000 He's a rope escaping.

01:42:52.000 Wow.

01:42:52.000 Yeah, that was wild.

01:42:54.000 Man, you were really there for some crazy times.

01:42:56.000 What is it like now, going from your very beginnings, where there was no mixed martial arts, where you went over there, you literally had no idea what it was like, to seeing what it's like now.

01:43:06.000 You know, with Cain Velasquez and all these guys.

01:43:08.000 Ah, it's unbelievable.

01:43:10.000 You have to understand that when I came from Thai boxing, right?

01:43:13.000 You get weight classes.

01:43:15.000 It's like in boxing.

01:43:16.000 So I came to Japan, and the first thing I see is my opponent is 245 pounds.

01:43:22.000 And I'm 195. So I go like, okay, but I didn't want to show anything, of course, because, okay, this is what it is, right?

01:43:28.000 You've got to fight.

01:43:29.000 So I go, okay, cool, cool, cool, cool.

01:43:31.000 I say, how many rounds?

01:43:31.000 I say, one round.

01:43:32.000 I say, awesome.

01:43:33.000 How many minutes?

01:43:34.000 30. I say, awesome.

01:43:36.000 But I didn't think inside.

01:43:38.000 Awesome.

01:43:39.000 30 minutes!

01:43:40.000 I'm gonna fight 30 minutes!

01:43:41.000 You know, that's why I put those R's on my hand.

01:43:43.000 I have to stay relaxed because I'm such a hothead.

01:43:46.000 Oh, that's what the R stood for?

01:43:47.000 Yeah, relaxed.

01:43:48.000 In Holland, it's rustig.

01:43:50.000 Starts with an R also.

01:43:51.000 So what's coincidentally is the same.

01:43:53.000 I thought it was for rooting.

01:43:53.000 No, no, no, no.

01:43:54.000 For rustig.

01:43:55.000 Stay calm.

01:43:56.000 Every time when I get hit, you hear my corner.

01:43:59.000 You listen to the fights.

01:44:00.000 You go, stay calm, stay calm, stay calm, because they know I want to...

01:44:02.000 That's why in Holland, we're all first round knockouts.

01:44:05.000 I would come out very technical.

01:44:06.000 Bah, boom.

01:44:10.000 As soon as you get hit, you get crazy.

01:44:12.000 Oh, I get crazy.

01:44:12.000 So I figured, I said, man, if I'm going to fight a guy like Rookie Machado, you know, who can take a lot of punishment, but then come back and I got 28 more minutes to go.

01:44:21.000 We're going to shoot loud.

01:44:22.000 I don't want to have that.

01:44:23.000 So I put the two R's on my hand and they would shout.

01:44:26.000 They never shout an instruction.

01:44:29.000 The only instruction they shout is like when I'm in a guard, I would tell them, right?

01:44:32.000 This is my easiest guard escape on the planet.

01:44:35.000 Imagine the guard is here and his left foot is on top, right?

01:44:39.000 I would look at my corner and it would go right.

01:44:43.000 And I would swing back and underhook it and grab it.

01:44:46.000 They would be the eyes for me.

01:44:48.000 And to this day, I don't get it that nobody does this.

01:44:51.000 It's the simplest thing on the planet.

01:44:52.000 To know which foot is on top.

01:44:54.000 On top.

01:44:55.000 Because that's the one you can push up.

01:44:56.000 Yeah.

01:44:56.000 Because it's not being held.

01:44:58.000 So you just look at them and they go right.

01:44:59.000 And then you relax and pick it up.

01:45:02.000 Oh, that's hilarious.

01:45:02.000 Do you do that for your guys as well?

01:45:04.000 Oh yeah, yeah, I did it also, yeah.

01:45:06.000 You gotta be careful you don't get caught in a triangle though, no?

01:45:08.000 No, you know that, right?

01:45:10.000 Right.

01:45:11.000 This is not like, while he's pulling on your arm, let's try it now.

01:45:16.000 Time and place.

01:45:17.000 How crazy is it watching the evolution of the game?

01:45:20.000 I mean, literally in America, there has never been a sport like mixed martial arts that has exploded and changed and grown right before our eyes.

01:45:28.000 I mean, some sports got famous like skateboarding and BMX riding.

01:45:34.000 I mean, some stuff that wasn't a viable way to make a living when I was a kid became one.

01:45:38.000 But nothing like mixed martial arts where it was just constantly in the public eye in movies and jammed down your throat on television.

01:45:45.000 I mean, it's pretty fucking strange, isn't it?

01:45:49.000 I predicted it right away after my first fight.

01:45:52.000 They did an interview with me and I said, this is like a rollerball, that movie.

01:45:55.000 People are going to need like an outlet, you know, and this is it.

01:45:59.000 This is going to be very big.

01:46:00.000 I say, you're watching four years from now.

01:46:02.000 Oh, no.

01:46:03.000 Yeah, I said four years from now, this will be the biggest thing and it was like seven years later or something.

01:46:07.000 I was like way off in time, but eventually it got there.

01:46:10.000 I go like, what is better than this?

01:46:13.000 I knew at that time already that everybody likes to know who's the toughest guy on the planet.

01:46:18.000 And this is literally being the toughest guy.

01:46:20.000 I was on Inside MMA last week and I was ashamed about a comment that I made against Frank because we had a comment that one guy says, oh, MMA is just like two guys rubbing against each other on the floor.

01:46:32.000 And then I told him the story that I was fighting Frank and then I stood up and I said to Frank, come up.

01:46:38.000 He says, no, no, you come down.

01:46:39.000 I said, no, come up, fight like a man.

01:46:41.000 And I go, I'm eating those words right now because when I broke that guy's shin bone, because I had no clue how much power that was on that joint, that really started making me think.

01:46:52.000 And I go, you have to understand it.

01:46:54.000 The ground guy can break whatever he wants in your body.

01:46:57.000 You got so much dominant power.

01:46:59.000 If I roll with guys, my students, they rather stand with me than the ground.

01:47:03.000 Because on the ground, they say, you're there.

01:47:06.000 Standing, they can move around, you know?

01:47:08.000 And they get the hell out of there.

01:47:10.000 He says, but it's way harder on the ground.

01:47:12.000 So I go like, wow, listen, I can dislocate, break, snap, I can do whatever I want.

01:47:17.000 If I say, okay, your right arm is going to go, your right arm is going to go to any guy on the street, you know?

01:47:23.000 I mean, talking about power compared to knocking somebody out, you know, I can put you to sleep and I can do some crazy things with you.

01:47:28.000 It's a very strange thing, the jujitsu, it just came out of nowhere.

01:47:32.000 I mean, when I was a kid, it was all about striking.

01:47:34.000 No one ever took judo.

01:47:36.000 Yeah.

01:47:36.000 I wrestled in high school, but, you know, I just did it as a sport.

01:47:40.000 You know, I got bored with it quick because it just didn't seem like there's anything going on.

01:47:44.000 You held a guy down, but it wasn't submitting him.

01:47:47.000 And once jiu-jitsu came along, man, it's amazing how much it's evolved.

01:47:51.000 You look at, like, MMA. You look at the jiu-jitsu that was in MMA in 93, and look at the jiu-jitsu you see now with, like, Jacare, Damian Maia.

01:47:59.000 You know, it's fucking so many levels above it.

01:48:02.000 The thing is what I always say, I say all the moves are pretty much invented, right?

01:48:06.000 But it's the setups.

01:48:08.000 They've found such creative ways to go to a particular move.

01:48:11.000 That is the cool part about mixed martial arts style.

01:48:13.000 If you have that setup that nobody noticed yet, you see how many times you see, remember the first time the anaconda got introduced in Pride?

01:48:21.000 You know the guy from the Geras camp?

01:48:22.000 They said, we call this an anaconda.

01:48:24.000 That was Nogera told me.

01:48:25.000 Because nobody saw the freaking thing before.

01:48:27.000 Boom!

01:48:27.000 Everybody started landing anacondas.

01:48:29.000 You know, Dars joke, same thing.

01:48:30.000 Suddenly there's the Dars, you know?

01:48:31.000 Oh, you can do it on the other...

01:48:33.000 Instead of the armpit, you go to the...

01:48:34.000 You see?

01:48:34.000 So people start playing with it and they create these different ways.

01:48:37.000 Like D. Lister against the...

01:48:39.000 What is the...

01:48:42.000 The Italian guy.

01:48:44.000 Alessio Saccari.

01:48:45.000 Saccari.

01:48:46.000 The way he said that triangle choke-up, I mean, wow, that was so cool.

01:48:50.000 It was so sneaky, slowly, but surely, and then bloop.

01:48:53.000 You know, you go like, that is cool.

01:48:55.000 Lister's a master.

01:48:56.000 It's unbelievable, right?

01:48:57.000 Yeah, I mean, Lister, if Dean Lister was around in the early UFCs, nobody had jiu-jitsu like him in 93. You know, even Hoist Gracie didn't.

01:49:04.000 His jiu-jitsu was very basic.

01:49:06.000 It wasn't nothing like, you know, the jiu-jitsu that you see today.

01:49:08.000 You know, there's a few guys that they say when they compare jiu-jitsu, they say, you know, like Hickson is a perfect example.

01:49:15.000 People today, even high-level black belts that roll with him, just say, that guy is on another level.

01:49:20.000 There's just a few guys that are just, you know, Laborio.

01:49:22.000 Ricardo Laborio is another one they say about that.

01:49:24.000 He's just on another level.

01:49:25.000 There's just such a high level of jiu-jitsu.

01:49:28.000 But overall, the level of jiu-jitsu from the new guys, like the Marcelo Garcia's, you know, these new guys coming along, it's fucking, it's just, it's so high level.

01:49:37.000 It's so much more advanced than it was just 10, 15 years ago, you know?

01:49:41.000 You know what the cool thing is with Liborio?

01:49:43.000 He saw me rolling with Joachim Manson in China and he was watching there and then he started showing me things and I said what he could do with those particular leg locks and how he could do this and make it that stronger and he was sitting looking at me and he was like I said, oh, you thought I was a striker, right?

01:50:00.000 And he goes, I didn't know.

01:50:01.000 And then it's finished that he wanted me to come to American Top Team to teach a ground fighting seminar.

01:50:08.000 I said, that is cool stuff.

01:50:09.000 Well, it's good to have a fresh perspective.

01:50:11.000 You never know.

01:50:13.000 Everybody has their own way of doing things if you haven't seen it before.

01:50:16.000 There's so many different techniques.

01:50:18.000 What people don't understand that don't do jiu-jitsu, there's so many different techniques.

01:50:23.000 It's the same.

01:50:24.000 It's like chess if you had a million pieces.

01:50:28.000 There's so many different submissions and so many different transitions and chains of submissions and new techniques and new counters.

01:50:34.000 Yeah, but I believe in it's good to know them all, but for every fight you have to say, okay, I'm going to use this particular move for that guy.

01:50:43.000 I don't go crazy on this dude.

01:50:45.000 And then have those different setups.

01:50:47.000 That is the key, man.

01:50:48.000 And set up one to four, and go from one to four to two, to back to one, boom, caught.

01:50:53.000 Well, there's some guys like Jake Shields.

01:50:54.000 Jake Shields is very basic.

01:50:56.000 He doesn't do a lot of different techniques, rear naked choke, armbar, guillotine choke, but he just fucking gets them.

01:51:02.000 Yeah, and he knows it.

01:51:04.000 Yeah, his path to those techniques is so sharp.

01:51:06.000 So what do you think about guys today, when you look at these guys today?

01:51:10.000 Do you ever wish, like, man, did you ever say, like, I came along too late?

01:51:15.000 Yeah.

01:51:17.000 On one side, yeah, but you know, I always go with the glasses half full with me.

01:51:21.000 You know, I'm in a great position right now, man.

01:51:24.000 I mean, I got a movie coming up, but a big part for this, you know, the Kevin James comedy.

01:51:29.000 You know, I got the TV show.

01:51:30.000 My wife predicted that one also, by the way.

01:51:32.000 What TV show is it, though?

01:51:33.000 Inside MMA? Inside MMA. I mean, this is our fourth year.

01:51:37.000 It's crazy.

01:51:38.000 It's nice.

01:51:38.000 And my wife, when she predicted that I was going to be a fighter in Japan, and I said, no, because I'm not going to fight, she says, yeah, in Holland, you're going to go to Japan.

01:51:46.000 Watch.

01:51:46.000 Six months later, I'm in Japan.

01:51:47.000 Then two years into that, she looks at me weird again.

01:51:50.000 I said, now what?

01:51:51.000 She says, we're going to go to America.

01:51:52.000 You're going to be in TV business.

01:51:54.000 Swear to God.

01:51:55.000 How did you ever get a part of Grand Theft Auto?

01:51:57.000 Like the men's room was probably one of the funniest things ever.

01:52:00.000 Are you going to ever do another one?

01:52:01.000 What is it?

01:52:02.000 I haven't seen it.

01:52:03.000 Oh, go on YouTube.

01:52:04.000 He has a show inside Grand Theft Auto.

01:52:08.000 I would just sit there to watch his show inside a video game.

01:52:11.000 Is it on YouTube?

01:52:12.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:52:12.000 Cue it up.

01:52:13.000 Cue it up.

01:52:13.000 Yeah, BuzzFeed and GTA 4. That was insane.

01:52:17.000 These guys from Barfighting, they saw it.

01:52:19.000 And what they did, they gave me a script.

01:52:21.000 I said, can I tweak this thing?

01:52:22.000 And they said, sure.

01:52:23.000 So I would start building sentences and in the middle of the sentence I would stop and then restart it so it looks like I'm a total freak of psycho when I'm talking.

01:52:32.000 It's like really weird because it doesn't work.

01:52:36.000 And the result, when you see the result, it's one of my final work, man.

01:52:40.000 I had to send people out there.

01:52:42.000 I say, you can, because they were cracking up so hard.

01:52:44.000 Out of all the guys who have fought, though, you're the very best, in my opinion, at transitioning into a career outside of fighting.

01:52:51.000 You do inside MMA, you do commentary.

01:52:55.000 By the way, you and Michael Schiavello, when you did the commentary for Strikeforce for the undercard, It was the fucking best part of the night.

01:53:03.000 I loved it.

01:53:04.000 I loved it.

01:53:04.000 You guys need to do it together.

01:53:05.000 I love Schiavello.

01:53:06.000 I think he's fucking hilarious.

01:53:08.000 You guys together were awesome.

01:53:09.000 Somebody really needs to scoop you up and have you guys do more commentary.

01:53:13.000 Yeah, you know, I loved doing it, but this right now, you know, this is one of those things that I thought I would never say, but I'm so busy.

01:53:20.000 I don't have the time for it anymore.

01:53:21.000 But anytime I have a chance, like for instance now I go to Brussels, you know, and then I do this just like three days before I have to go to Boston to shoot.

01:53:29.000 They say, why do you do it?

01:53:30.000 You don't need to do it.

01:53:31.000 I say, yeah, but I enjoy it.

01:53:32.000 I enjoy it so much to go there.

01:53:34.000 And there I'm also the ring announcer.

01:53:35.000 And they let me free.

01:53:36.000 I can slap the girls.

01:53:38.000 I do, you know, I do fun stuff, you know.

01:53:39.000 What is Brussels then?

01:53:40.000 Mixed Martial Arts?

01:53:41.000 Mixed Martial Arts and the K1 tournament.

01:53:43.000 You know, both at the same time.

01:53:45.000 Saki is fighting.

01:53:46.000 They had one before, right?

01:53:48.000 Yeah, also on Inside MMA. Inside MMA, by the way, if you don't have HDNet, you're missing out.

01:53:54.000 HDNet is the best for watching fights.

01:53:56.000 There's always K1, K1 Max.

01:53:59.000 They have a hundred different MFCs on, a hundred different mixed martial arts organizations, fights from Japan, fights from Europe.

01:54:07.000 It's really incredible.

01:54:08.000 And that's where Inside MMA, your show is on as well.

01:54:11.000 I love it.

01:54:12.000 And the thing I love about it is I see my old buddies again, whether they're still fighting or they're now coaches from guys.

01:54:18.000 And then I see the new talent coming up.

01:54:20.000 And we all have them on the show.

01:54:23.000 Who would have thought you're going to get a Bozzi award?

01:54:26.000 You can win a Bozzi if you have the greatest knockout of the year or something.

01:54:30.000 How cool is that?

01:54:31.000 We really want to start doing that thing, I think, in front of a live audience.

01:54:35.000 That would be cool to do also.

01:54:36.000 But it's really getting there.

01:54:37.000 We never thought it was going to go like that.

01:54:39.000 And it just exploded.

01:54:41.000 From the half-hour show, we went right away to an hour, and now commercials are there, so that means we're doing a good thing with the hottest show on AGD.net.

01:54:47.000 Yeah, Inside MMA is great.

01:54:49.000 It's a really, really fun show to watch.

01:54:51.000 Now, what about guys that you know that you started out with that have taken a lot of damage?

01:54:57.000 I mean, you didn't take damage.

01:54:58.000 You took damage to your body like you have tendonitis, but you have no problem with your thinking.

01:55:02.000 No.

01:55:02.000 But what is it like when you see guys that do?

01:55:04.000 Because it disturbs the shit out of me.

01:55:06.000 Really, it's really sad.

01:55:08.000 I know a few guys that, you know, start lisping and it's scary stuff.

01:55:12.000 You know, like Arlovsky fight now.

01:55:15.000 You know, Andre.

01:55:16.000 Yeah.

01:55:16.000 You know, I love this guy.

01:55:17.000 He's a really nice guy.

01:55:18.000 Somebody, I know he wants to fight and he already wants to prepare for the next fight.

01:55:21.000 I think somebody should say, you know what?

01:55:23.000 Let's not do it.

01:55:23.000 What do you think about Greg Jackson saying that he's gonna get right back in there, they're just gonna fix it, and he did some things wrong, but he's not done, and he's gonna come back, it'll be even sweeter than ever.

01:55:32.000 And I'm listening to him talking, I'm like, motherfucker, do you know that this guy's been knocked unconscious four times in a row?

01:55:37.000 You can kill everything for the rest.

01:55:40.000 Yeah.

01:55:40.000 You know, I mean, maybe he's not going to be a teacher anymore.

01:55:43.000 Nothing but mixed martial arts.

01:55:44.000 The bad thing also is, like, your legacy is going down.

01:55:48.000 When you're going to be a coach, you're going to go to a gym to train with a guy who lost his last seven fights.

01:55:53.000 Imagine you're a guy like that.

01:55:54.000 Right.

01:55:54.000 Four by knockout in a row.

01:55:55.000 That was not Arlovsky I'm talking about.

01:55:58.000 But Arlovsky right now, yeah.

01:56:00.000 So, you know, what I said, what they should do is you tell them, okay, you know what you're going to do?

01:56:04.000 You're not going to fight for a year.

01:56:05.000 And in between, we're going to do some grappling tournaments to keep the competition on there.

01:56:09.000 And it doesn't matter if you win or lose.

01:56:11.000 Who cares about it?

01:56:12.000 Just be busy with competition so you perform under pressure.

01:56:16.000 And then if everything feels good, you know, then maybe try it one more time.

01:56:19.000 But then really say, okay, if this is going to go the wrong way, you really got to stop.

01:56:23.000 He took about a year off from the Brett Rogers fight, didn't he?

01:56:27.000 Yeah, but in my book, if I was my student, it was no.

01:56:31.000 I would say, no, this is it.

01:56:32.000 He's been shut off too many times, right?

01:56:33.000 Yeah, because I don't want to be that nail on the cuff that's going to say, God knows what happens.

01:56:37.000 What about a guy like Alistar that got stopped a bunch of times?

01:56:40.000 I mean, Alistar got stopped, I think, nine times in his career.

01:56:43.000 Bobby Hoffman knocked him out.

01:56:45.000 Chuck Liddell knocked him out.

01:56:46.000 So many guys stopped him.

01:56:47.000 And then, look at him now.

01:56:49.000 I mean, he's the greatest comeback ever.

01:56:51.000 I know, but you see this fighting style, how he fights.

01:56:55.000 He doesn't throw.

01:56:56.000 I was looking, I said, let it go.

01:56:59.000 Make three, four shots.

01:57:00.000 He doesn't do that.

01:57:02.000 Everything is single shots.

01:57:03.000 His defense is perfect.

01:57:04.000 Boom, boom, boom.

01:57:06.000 Watch.

01:57:08.000 There's no three right upper cut left hook.

01:57:10.000 He's very good.

01:57:11.000 Very conservative.

01:57:12.000 Yeah, of course.

01:57:13.000 Tries not to get hit.

01:57:14.000 Tries not to get hit.

01:57:15.000 And it's going to be hard for people to hit him.

01:57:19.000 It's so much power.

01:57:20.000 You know, I mean, look, the striking is bizarre.

01:57:23.000 The guy is so strong.

01:57:24.000 He's taken out his fence.

01:57:25.000 He's getting really good.

01:57:26.000 He's getting great submissions.

01:57:27.000 Ground control is really good.

01:57:28.000 No one has ever been like Alistair that won the K1 Grand Prix and is a mixed martial arts champion.

01:57:35.000 Dream and Strikeforce.

01:57:36.000 And Strikeforce.

01:57:37.000 Three belts.

01:57:38.000 Pretty fucking crazy.

01:57:38.000 Yeah.

01:57:39.000 Yeah, that's really cool stuff.

01:57:40.000 That's a guy, you know, this is cool.

01:57:42.000 He trained in the early days.

01:57:43.000 He trained with Chris Dolman when I was training there.

01:57:45.000 He and his brother, Valentine.

01:57:47.000 And I would submit them.

01:57:49.000 And then they would...

01:57:50.000 They're very competitive.

01:57:51.000 And then if I wouldn't come over there, they suddenly would call and they say, oh, we're at your gym.

01:57:56.000 We want to train now because now we're going to get you.

01:57:58.000 I say, okay.

01:57:59.000 And then it went again.

01:58:00.000 And they say, how is that possible?

01:58:01.000 I said, because I'm training too, Alistair.

01:58:04.000 But I always said, that's the guy.

01:58:06.000 Those are the guys because they keep on coming, keep on coming and want more and travel for it.

01:58:10.000 He wants it.

01:58:11.000 The guy who really wants it, it really is like that.

01:58:14.000 It's like the book I always say, The Alchemist.

01:58:16.000 If you set your goal, you say, that's where I want to go.

01:58:18.000 Whatever you do, you don't get off the path.

01:58:21.000 You are going to get it.

01:58:22.000 I truly believe there's something up there that helps you for that.

01:58:26.000 Go.

01:58:27.000 Go.

01:58:28.000 Relentless.

01:58:28.000 Don't walk over people, though, in order to get there.

01:58:31.000 Unless you're Andrzej Arlovski and you've been knocked out four times in a row.

01:58:35.000 Yeah, yeah, that's true.

01:58:35.000 There's a certain point in time where physically you have to stop and look at it and go, all right, what are we going to do here?

01:58:41.000 Yeah, that's true.

01:58:43.000 I don't know how you say this.

01:58:44.000 How do you tell when to tell them?

01:58:47.000 I think that people inside, deep down inside, the fighters know...

01:58:51.000 If they can become a champion or not.

01:58:53.000 I think they already know that.

01:58:54.000 When I was fighting and I started winning in Japan, when I got that ground game, I looked at my wife and I said, I think I can be a world champion in this thing.

01:59:02.000 I truly believe I can beat all these guys now.

01:59:05.000 And then it started.

01:59:06.000 I think you feel that.

01:59:07.000 I think that a fighter will actually notice himself.

01:59:10.000 They will keep on trying and keep on trying.

01:59:12.000 But I think once you...

01:59:14.000 Know that it's not really there, that that's not a good feeling.

01:59:18.000 They won't say it, but it is.

01:59:19.000 It's like the guys who you mount, you hit, they turn on the back and they get choked.

01:59:23.000 A lot of these guys, they give the choke.

01:59:26.000 Speaking of that, what did you think about the Fedor fight when Fedor was fighting Bigfoot?

01:59:29.000 I mean, he gave up his back a couple of times.

01:59:31.000 He had to.

01:59:31.000 Do you think that's just he was too big?

01:59:33.000 It was too big.

01:59:34.000 I truly believe so.

01:59:35.000 Too big with technique.

01:59:37.000 Too big and too skill.

01:59:39.000 And then being, what, 60 pounds heavier, you know, that's a big difference, man.

01:59:45.000 I always said I wanted weight class 205, 235. Yeah, I agree.

01:59:49.000 I agree.

01:59:50.000 Yeah, I agree.

01:59:50.000 It's too big of a leap.

01:59:52.000 Yeah, those big giant guys that are cutting weight to get down to 265, that's a huge percentage.

01:59:56.000 They said that he was 290 the next day.

01:59:58.000 I said, how could you gain 25 pounds?

01:59:59.000 His fucking head looks like it's 290, right?

02:00:02.000 That guy's big.

02:00:03.000 Yeah, he's big.

02:00:03.000 When he got on top of Fedor and mounted him, you see how wide his back is?

02:00:06.000 He's like, that's a giant person, man.

02:00:08.000 He got stomped by a Bigfoot.

02:00:10.000 Did you see the footprint still on his back?

02:00:14.000 Poor Fedor, man.

02:00:15.000 That was a tough thing to watch.

02:00:16.000 And it's tougher even still to watch all those people that are behind him saying he's going to fight again.

02:00:21.000 He should fight.

02:00:21.000 No, no, no.

02:00:23.000 The people booing when they don't let the fight continue.

02:00:26.000 I say, his eyes are closed.

02:00:28.000 He can't see anything coming from the left, you know?

02:00:31.000 At all.

02:00:31.000 Unreal.

02:00:32.000 It was going to be the same thing anyway.

02:00:33.000 He's going to get taken down and smashed.

02:00:35.000 That was it.

02:00:36.000 Is it hard watching a guy like that?

02:00:37.000 You mean you watch them enter into pride and then see him get beat down like that?

02:00:41.000 Very hard, yeah.

02:00:42.000 That does something to you.

02:00:44.000 You get emotional.

02:00:45.000 I do get emotional from that.

02:00:46.000 It's a crazy thing, right?

02:00:47.000 But in this game, in the game of fighting, we're going to see it no matter what.

02:00:50.000 I mean, I was there for Chuck Liddell's debut.

02:00:52.000 I was there for Hector Gonzalez, I think was the guy's name he fought.

02:00:57.000 I forget the guy's name he fought.

02:00:58.000 I was there for that.

02:01:00.000 Noe Gonzalez, maybe?

02:01:01.000 I was there for that fight and then to get to see him, you know, all the way to the end, to the Rich Franklin fight, you know, it's like, wow.

02:01:07.000 Seeing guys at the top at their most vibrant when they're just dominating and fall apart.

02:01:13.000 With Chuck, it's a mental thing.

02:01:15.000 I always say with Chuck, if he has the right person who can talk to him, he's too hungry.

02:01:21.000 If he lands, if he smells the victory, he starts over-committing.

02:01:24.000 And all the knockouts he had is because of that.

02:01:27.000 If he would step back, relax, I mean, he was doing really good against Rich Franklin.

02:01:32.000 This guy still can be the top guy.

02:01:33.000 That's his only defect.

02:01:35.000 With him, it's not that he lost his timing and lost that.

02:01:38.000 It's only that.

02:01:39.000 He's too hungry.

02:01:40.000 You know, he's been knocking on people too easy, you know?

02:01:42.000 And that's the same you can also see with the training when he fought Couture.

02:01:46.000 You know that when he trains, he puts everybody backwards.

02:01:49.000 And then suddenly when Couture came and started pushing him backwards, that was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

02:01:54.000 Now what?

02:01:54.000 He never was there.

02:01:55.000 That fight made him again.

02:01:57.000 Way better after that.

02:01:59.000 He made him a better counter-striker.

02:02:00.000 Oh, man!

02:02:01.000 Yeah, he learned how to fire him off as he was moving backwards.

02:02:04.000 One of my favorite guys still.

02:02:05.000 He was amazing.

02:02:06.000 But he also lost the ability to take a punch.

02:02:09.000 I mean, if you go back and watch his first fights, like, have you ever watched the Pele fight?

02:02:12.000 Oh, my God, yeah, that was crazy.

02:02:14.000 It was a WVC, right?

02:02:15.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:02:17.000 That was bare knuckle.

02:02:18.000 Bare knuckle with the net underneath the rope so you couldn't escape.

02:02:23.000 Yeah.

02:02:23.000 He gets stuck in there and chucks on top of Pele.

02:02:25.000 Punched him in the face with bare knuckles.

02:02:27.000 People get stabbed in the eyes all the time.

02:02:30.000 Dudes would grab the balls, remember?

02:02:32.000 Gary Goodrich.

02:02:34.000 The Pedro.

02:02:35.000 Reached in his pants and crushed his dick and balls.

02:02:39.000 You should have had Viagra on him.

02:02:40.000 He literally grabbed the guy by the cojones.

02:02:42.000 Yeah, what the fuck?

02:02:43.000 And it was totally, completely legal.

02:02:45.000 Yeah.

02:02:45.000 I mean, nobody had ever done it but Gary.

02:02:47.000 Vale tudo.

02:02:48.000 Anything goes.

02:02:48.000 Yeah, that is anything goes.

02:02:49.000 Were they allowed to bite, though?

02:02:51.000 I have.

02:02:51.000 You know, well, it's almost...

02:02:53.000 I read the book from Big John because I wrote the foreword for the book.

02:02:58.000 And, man, that's a cool book.

02:03:00.000 What is Big John's book?

02:03:02.000 What's it called?

02:03:03.000 What do you think?

02:03:04.000 Big John McCarthy.

02:03:05.000 No, no, no.

02:03:06.000 What?

02:03:06.000 What is his line?

02:03:08.000 Oh, let's get it on.

02:03:08.000 Let's get it on.

02:03:09.000 But that's sort of Mills Lane's line.

02:03:12.000 Mills Lane in boxing had that way before the USA. Oh, yeah?

02:03:15.000 Yeah.

02:03:16.000 Oh, I don't even know.

02:03:16.000 Fight where you're in!

02:03:17.000 Fight where you're in!

02:03:17.000 Let's get it on!

02:03:18.000 Come on!

02:03:18.000 Okay.

02:03:19.000 That was his thing.

02:03:20.000 And they had made some sort of an agreement where John was going to use it in MMA and Mills Lane was going to use it in boxing.

02:03:26.000 Okay.

02:03:27.000 But I remember when, you know, there was, like, some words that people were saying, oh, you know, only John McCarthy can say, let's get it on, because every referee's got to figure out a thing to say.

02:03:35.000 It's Martin Gay, who's the one that started it.

02:03:39.000 Marvin Gaye, bro.

02:03:40.000 Marvin Gaye.

02:03:40.000 It's Martin.

02:03:43.000 Yeah, well, I mean, you know, let's get it on was the Mills Lane.

02:03:47.000 You've seen it all, boss.

02:03:48.000 You've been there from the beginning, you know, you're a real legend in this crazy sport.

02:03:53.000 I'm a very happy person, let me tell you that.

02:03:55.000 I have a lot of pain when I walk, you know, everything hurts, but it's been worth it.

02:03:58.000 And I know that with the stem cells and everything, something will pop up, you know, and I'll put it back.

02:04:04.000 I'm not going to fight anymore, you know.

02:04:06.000 There's also a thing that I had.

02:04:07.000 In 2006, when I made the comeback, I knew that Like, I would roll, and everything would go really well.

02:04:14.000 Don't get me wrong.

02:04:14.000 But there were things that I'd say, I would have had that normally.

02:04:17.000 And normally I would have had that.

02:04:19.000 I noticed that I was getting slower, you know, and that my reactions were not there as they were before.

02:04:27.000 So, you know, you gotta be, you know, be very realistic to yourself.

02:04:31.000 What do you think about a guy like Randy Couture, who's older than you?

02:04:34.000 I mean, how old do you now?

02:04:35.000 Yeah, 45, 46. Randy's fucking 48 years old, and he's about to fight Machida.

02:04:41.000 It's crazy!

02:04:42.000 But, he's got the O2 Trainer.

02:04:44.000 The boss of the invention, the lung training device.

02:04:47.000 What is the O2 Trainer?

02:04:48.000 You know what?

02:04:49.000 This is a fun thing, man.

02:04:50.000 I came up with this.

02:04:51.000 You invented this?

02:04:51.000 Yeah.

02:04:52.000 When I was 15 years old.

02:04:54.000 Around that time, I had very bad asthma, but I also did track and field.

02:04:58.000 So when I had an asthma attack, that would be like a two-week episode.

02:05:01.000 Which, from the two weeks, I would be like five or six days in bed because I couldn't eat.

02:05:06.000 And can breathe, because you can't eat.

02:05:08.000 Jesus Christ.

02:05:10.000 Drink it, like this.

02:05:12.000 24 hours a day.

02:05:13.000 Oh yeah, not really bad.

02:05:15.000 So I couldn't walk stairs, nothing.

02:05:16.000 Everything in bed.

02:05:17.000 You don't have any of that anymore?

02:05:18.000 No, sometimes I do.

02:05:20.000 Sometimes a little bit, yeah.

02:05:21.000 But you take an inhaler and it's gone.

02:05:24.000 But then after I had an attack and I would do track and field, I would realize that my lungs would work better.

02:05:30.000 And I go, why is that?

02:05:31.000 And I start, oh wait a minute, there's an infection in your lung pipe, you know, it closes the lung pipe, your lungs have to work really hard to pull that air in.

02:05:39.000 Then when the infection is gone, you know, because they work all the time, they're used to pulling hard, air comes in easy.

02:05:46.000 I go, so why don't I come up with something that controls the air intake?

02:05:50.000 So I started thinking about, like, it's the stupidest thing, man.

02:05:54.000 You're going to laugh.

02:05:54.000 Like, I would hold my mouth in a certain position and try to memorize that position.

02:05:59.000 Stupid stuff.

02:06:00.000 So you couldn't get much air in?

02:06:01.000 Yeah.

02:06:02.000 And then make it every time a little smaller.

02:06:04.000 I go, man, I've got to come up with something.

02:06:05.000 So I tell all my buddies here in America, everybody knew in Holland also that I wanted to make that thing.

02:06:11.000 And then when Vandele came on TV with the snorkel, I think I had six or seven phone calls.

02:06:17.000 They said, you got to do that thing that you're talking about because somebody's going to find it out.

02:06:22.000 Somebody's going to come up with an idea.

02:06:25.000 So I started looking, got a patent lawyer, and what do you know, man?

02:06:29.000 Nobody made it.

02:06:30.000 I got the patent, have everything.

02:06:32.000 So what's it called?

02:06:33.000 The Boss Root and VO2 Trainer?

02:06:35.000 The VO2 Trainer.

02:06:36.000 That's why I was laughing because when I saw this.

02:06:38.000 Ah, see.

02:06:39.000 Yeah, O2 trainer and it controls the air intake.

02:06:43.000 It's a very simple thing.

02:06:45.000 So imagine this week you do all your hard workouts, like only four times also because you don't need to do it every way because you're actually training your muscles.

02:06:52.000 They're testing it in Texas right now at the university.

02:06:55.000 That guy, in 12 days, he had greater lung volume.

02:06:57.000 He said, man, you made something really cool.

02:06:59.000 Can I put my track team on it?

02:07:01.000 He's got his female track team on it.

02:07:02.000 They're going to run tests on them now because he thinks also that because it's a little small biodegradable little compartment that's flexible also, so it can't get hurt, because you re-breathe a little tiny bit of carbon monoxide, which I wanted to stay away from because I don't want people to get dizzy, he says, no, no, you don't get dizzy.

02:07:18.000 Carbon dioxide?

02:07:19.000 Carbon dioxide.

02:07:20.000 Yeah, one of the two.

02:07:21.000 Anyway, he thinks it's just enough to spark more red blood cell production.

02:07:27.000 I said, you're kidding me?

02:07:28.000 He said, I don't know for sure yet.

02:07:30.000 He says, but that will be the icing on the cake.

02:07:32.000 Wow.

02:07:33.000 So what does this thing look like?

02:07:35.000 It's an, you know, I hope I still get better.

02:07:38.000 Is it online?

02:07:39.000 Can I find it online?

02:07:41.000 Let me see.

02:07:43.000 Go to o2trader.com.

02:07:46.000 And people who are watching right now, you can't buy it yet.

02:07:48.000 It's on there, but you can't buy it yet.

02:07:51.000 So don't hit buy.

02:07:54.000 Hmm.

02:07:55.000 O2Trainer.com.

02:07:57.000 Z02? Or O? O2. O. The O2. Check this out.

02:08:05.000 And this is something that's going to be available soon?

02:08:08.000 Very soon.

02:08:09.000 This week.

02:08:11.000 This week?

02:08:12.000 Yep.

02:08:13.000 What does it look like?

02:08:13.000 It's not coming up.

02:08:15.000 It's not coming up?

02:08:15.000 No.

02:08:16.000 You're probably getting smashed right now.

02:08:18.000 Yeah, you said it online.

02:08:20.000 You almost have 4,000 people on YouTube.

02:08:23.000 Okay, guys, everybody watching, don't buy it.

02:08:26.000 You cannot buy it, okay?

02:08:28.000 It's not in, so don't hit buy.

02:08:30.000 Come back at the end of the week.

02:08:32.000 So it will be something that you think is going to make a big impact on guys?

02:08:35.000 I think it's going to be the major impact.

02:08:37.000 You can't look at it, describe what it looks like.

02:08:39.000 Okay, it is a portable device.

02:08:42.000 It's a mouthpiece like when you dive, you know, like a snorkel.

02:08:45.000 And it comes to the front with two little things.

02:08:47.000 It's like a square and it comes to the front.

02:08:50.000 Here is the air hole as a cap.

02:08:52.000 The cap you can take off and you can put screens in there, little rubber screens with all smaller holes.

02:08:58.000 They go from 14mm all the way to 1mm.

02:09:00.000 So this week you train all your hard work, that's 14mm.

02:09:03.000 Next week you do 13mm.

02:09:04.000 Then you do 12mm and you go slowly, gradually, you're going down.

02:09:08.000 And then once you're down, you know, you really, your lungs have to pull the air in.

02:09:12.000 And it's the voice, my wife was saying, like after three weeks of training in restaurants, she said, man, keep your voice down.

02:09:18.000 You know, because your voice gets really loud.

02:09:20.000 So I go, man, it's for singers.

02:09:22.000 It's for people who play bow instruments.

02:09:24.000 It's for scuba divers.

02:09:26.000 Anybody who needs a lung.

02:09:27.000 You know, you should see the commercial that I made for it.

02:09:30.000 We shot that thing in 15 minutes or less.

02:09:32.000 And you're going to laugh your ass off.

02:09:33.000 When you see that thing, you're going to go, wow.

02:09:36.000 Wow.

02:09:36.000 Yeah.

02:09:37.000 Well, I'll definitely check it out.

02:09:38.000 Yeah, you got to check it out.

02:09:39.000 And if you haven't seen Boss Rootin' show, Inside MMA, it's on HDNet.

02:09:43.000 You got to check it out.

02:09:44.000 Follow him on Twitter.

02:09:45.000 It's Boss Rootin, M-M-A, R-U-T-T-E-N-M-M-A on Twitter.

02:09:50.000 And thank you very much for coming in here, Boss.

02:09:52.000 You're welcome, man.

02:09:52.000 We really appreciate it.

02:09:54.000 And yeah, thank you to the Fleshlight for sponsoring the podcast.

02:09:58.000 If you go to JoeRogan.net and input, click the link and input the code name Rogan.

02:10:03.000 That's the butthole version.

02:10:04.000 I don't recommend you jumping right in on that one.

02:10:06.000 It's like your 13mm, you know, you don't start off with the 1mm.

02:10:11.000 No, no, no, you don't want to get used to the...

02:10:12.000 You don't want to start off with the butthole fleshlight.

02:10:16.000 But thank you very much, and we'll be back next week.

02:10:18.000 This weekend, I've got to go to Australia for the UFC. Anything else you want to plug?

02:10:23.000 Godspeed, party on, and the little tiny screens, you know, it's for exercises.

02:10:27.000 You can literally sit here and just do it.

02:10:29.000 I do it in my car right now.

02:10:30.000 I go...

02:10:31.000 The Boss Rootin' O2 Trainer.

02:10:33.000 Boss, you're a fucking legend.

02:10:35.000 Thank you very much for coming on the show.

02:10:37.000 I really appreciate it, man.

02:10:38.000 It's been a blast.

02:10:39.000 Awesome.

02:10:40.000 We'll see you bitches next week, for sure.

02:10:42.000 Okie dokie.

02:10:43.000 Got a lot of stories.

02:10:44.000 Holla at your boy.

02:10:45.000 Man, I had to pee for so long.

02:10:47.000 I'm going to do it now!

02:10:48.000 Oh!

02:10:49.000 Go away, I'll put you in the freaking lever!

02:10:59.000 Excuse me, the men's room is occupied.

02:11:03.000 And now, for your hosts, Baz Rutten and Jeremy St. Oz.

02:11:11.000 Hey, what up, man?

02:11:13.000 Good to see you.

02:11:14.000 Good to see you.

02:11:15.000 All right, hi, everybody.

02:11:17.000 My name is Baz Rutten.

02:11:18.000 And I'm...

02:11:19.000 Welcome to the men's room.

02:11:21.000 Yeah.

02:11:22.000 Where men can hang out and...

02:11:23.000 Okay, now, tonight in the men's room, we're going to get personal.

02:11:27.000 On this show, we're going to be discussing a lot of aspects of health.

02:11:32.000 Especially how to endanger the health of others with...

02:11:38.000 Others, did you?

02:11:39.000 Not me.

02:11:40.000 Others.

02:11:40.000 Now, we've got relationship advice, like how to avoid bruising the face.

02:11:44.000 We're going to take some calls, advising women on how to deal with their men.

02:11:48.000 But that's pretty easy, right?

02:11:50.000 I mean, it's just the thing that you need to do is to kick to the groin right there.

02:11:54.000 And when your body connects with the reproductive organs of another man, let me tell you, buddy, it's pain and beauty.

02:12:01.000 Also, We have a special, and we call it a special, the cubicle, the copier, and stabbing a co-worker in the eye with a little pencil.

02:12:11.000 Like this.

02:12:12.000 Look at the blood, look at the blood, look at the blood.

The Joe Rogan Experience - February 22, 2011

Joe Rogan Experience #83 - Bas Rutten

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Misogynist Sentences

Hate Speech Sentences

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