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00:01:22.000And we've even toned the lights down because Duncan's here.
00:01:26.000Because I took a nap, I slept an hour in the plane, flew all the way from Australia, it's twelve and a half hours, slept an hour in the plane, took a nap for an hour, and then boom!
00:02:38.000Maybe we're talking about the same thing.
00:02:39.000No, I was talking about an aquatic worm that grows into a grasshopper's body, gets to a certain size, and then convinces the grasshopper to go swim.
00:03:37.000Or if I did do it, it was only like we'd done like a couple of them and nobody knew about it.
00:03:41.000But now, you know, when we were in Rudy Hill and I mentioned the podcast and all these people cheered, I was like, wow, like how many of you fucking people?
00:03:52.000Has there ever been a medium like that where you can just put something online and someone on the other side of the continent can be a weekly listener of this thing?
00:04:05.000And then we did another show on Sunday night after the UFC. Sunday night the UFC was over at 5 because the way it was set up so it could be live on pay-per-view in America on Saturday night, which is Sunday early afternoon in Australia.
00:05:08.000It's got the perfect vibes, got all the shitty headshots on the wall, all the exact things that you want from a great club, good bar, great owners, people that love comedy.
00:06:16.000Because on the way over to the airport, me and Ari were listening to the one when it was on the Alex Jones show, which, by the way, got him kicked off that show.
00:06:25.000They canceled production of the show for the rest of the season because of that one interview.
00:06:29.000I heard just recently he said he's not quitting or he's back on it or something like that.
00:06:34.000Because I know there was a while they were going to have Amelia Estevez fill in, but then I thought I just said that I read on TMZ that now he's like, no, I'm not leaving the show or quitting the show.
00:06:50.000Because what they were saying was that they were canceling production of the show for the season because of his erratic behavior and that he needs to seek help.
00:06:59.000He goes, I'm just tired of pretending that I'm not freaking winning at every corner, at every turn.
00:07:03.000Just delivering the freaking goods over and over again.
00:10:42.000He's gone as far as to write a fake question and answer with Obama, where it looked like an interview with Obama.
00:10:49.000When I first read it, I'm like, what the fuck is going on here?
00:10:52.000And then it gets to the end, and then he tells you that it's fiction, and wouldn't it be amazing if he actually had the opportunity to sit down with President Obama and talk to him about this.
00:11:02.000I'm thinking Charlie Sheen might be a government agent.
00:11:04.000This whole thing might just be his way of being a patriot and really discrediting the 911 truther movement.
00:11:11.000And what he's doing is he's just banging all these whores for America.
00:11:50.000When Charlie Sheen goes out there on a deep end in Bahamas with a suitcase full of heroin with different color socks on, you know, I mean, Charlie Sheen is out there doing it.
00:11:59.000Like 30 years ago, the CIA was like, get me a baby Estevez.
00:13:12.000I gotta tell you, man, if you watch that show, I can believe it, because that has to be one of the most miserable shows I've ever seen.
00:13:17.000There is something about working at, like, I said this about Grace Under Fire, remember when Brett Butler had that TV show, Grace Under Fire?
00:13:23.000Brian, what the fuck are you doing, son?
00:13:28.000Anyway, when Brett Butler was on that show, Grace Under Fire, and she started going nutty, like, throwing fucking glasses of water in people's faces.
00:14:18.000Chris Titus is a good one and then this one.
00:14:20.000But Chris Titus is a nice guy, so I won't say his over there.
00:14:22.000You're going to have to ask him about that.
00:14:23.000But man, you gotta look at like, I think that if you look at how being an American celebrity carries with it this bizarre psychological danger, because a pretty large percentage of our celebrities go fucking insane.
00:14:40.000Well, when you're working on something bad, you're miserable.
00:14:43.000And when you're a good comic, like Brett Butler, as crazy as that bitch was, was a good comic.
00:15:57.000I said this about Brett Butler back in 94. Let's see here.
00:16:03.000men's star took his guest and pull any punches here we go tired of pretending like I'm not special tired of pretending like I'm not bitching a total freaking rock star from Mars and people can't figure me out they can't process me I don't expect them to you can't process me with a normal brain the troubled actor also from 2 million to 3 million an episode You want a race?
00:18:53.000That sounds like someone having either a drug-induced manic episode Or just a manic episode because their brains fucked up from all the blow and they're starting to melt down.
00:19:03.000Well, what's amazing about it is there's two things.
00:19:06.000One, I wish he was a guy who was doing this that wasn't obviously insane.
00:19:10.000It would be so cool if he was just really having fun.
00:19:14.000But it's the way he's doing it that he doesn't realize how that's going to come off.
00:19:18.000He's like, I'm trying to pretend I'm not special.
00:19:21.000I'm trying to pretend I'm not delivering the frickin' goods.
00:19:45.000Stand-up or acting or music is truly special.
00:19:49.000They're just people that may accomplish special things.
00:19:52.000And the reason why they're doing this is because they're on a path and they get on it and then they get better and then they tune into it and they figure it out.
00:19:59.000And that might be special, like achieving that level of proficiency with music or with comedy or with acting.
00:20:13.000The most talented person ever is not really a special person.
00:20:16.000The acts that they may achieve for whatever reason, whether it's because they're missing some sort of a social thing.
00:20:23.000Some people don't get nervous around other people.
00:20:25.000They can open themselves up because of whatever weirdness that happened to them in their childhood.
00:20:30.000Or some people just have this unbelievably exorbitant need for attention that expresses itself in this really powerful, dramatic performance style.
00:23:26.000And this archetype shows up in religion, it shows up in culture, not to take it too deep, but it's the idea of God coming to earth and his followers eating him.
00:23:37.000Dionysus, Jesus, it happens again and again.
00:23:40.000This is a recurring thing, and that's what we do.
00:23:42.000We get people really famous, we worship them, we call them idols, and then we fucking kill them.
00:27:11.000They fucking play loser by Beck and start dancing next to him because they're just trying to fuck him and he said he ran from the house screaming.
00:27:18.000He ran from the house screaming and he said the guy leaned out the window and yelled to him, don't tell anybody!
00:27:27.000That doesn't sound like he was almost raped.
00:29:28.000Well, what they are, they do have right now, they have supplements that aid the function of the brain, you know, that help you, supposedly help you retain memories and help get blood flow to the brain.
00:29:38.000I don't, you know, I mean, I don't know.
00:29:39.000Yeah, there's studies that have been done on certain substances.
00:29:42.000They've showed some sort of a cognitive advantage in using them.
00:29:47.000Chris, Chris Marcus, the guy from The Fleshlight, him and I are putting together like a little pack.
00:29:52.000And what we're doing is like putting together a pack of all the best shit.
00:29:56.000All the stuff that's supposed to be really good for your brain and put it in a pack so that you don't have to go buy 20 fucking bottles of things and sort it all out yourself.
00:31:39.000Yeah, and then at one point in time, they were going to call them nutraceuticals and they were going to have them prescribed.
00:31:45.000described, it was a big push that the pharmaceutical companies did, I think it was in the 90s, to try to take over the vitamin business.
00:31:52.000When they saw that all these people were spending all this money on homeopathic cures and vitamins and stuff like that and health things, they said, well, hey, we'll just fucking lock that shit down too.
00:32:02.000Like Monsanto was going to fucking put a patent on vitamin C and the only way you get vitamin C is from Monsanto.
00:32:08.000I mean, that's not outside the realm of possibility with corporate America.
00:32:12.000What they've done with food in this country, for folks that don't know, you've got to watch some of the documentaries that are available on Monsanto and see what they've done with What they've basically done is they've genetically modified food so that it doesn't have the same effect when you spray pesticides on it.
00:32:28.000It doesn't get killed by the same bugs.
00:32:30.000They have a bunch of different things that they've done to various plants.
00:32:34.000But once they have this genetically modified seed, you owe them money.
00:33:44.000They're genetically modifying pigs, and then they're going to patent those pig parts.
00:33:48.000But the problem is there's all this debate about them doing that because they're saying, you're patenting things that have already existed for a million years.
00:35:28.000But a patent is, you know, the thing about it is...
00:35:31.000The most disturbing thing is the idea of some corporation just for profit meddling around with the DNA of things that haven't been meddled with for a very long time.
00:35:42.000That's much more bizarre than the patent because the patent is just an imaginary thing anyway.
00:35:47.000Yeah, well, what's really scary about it is the idea that they can stop other people from growing it.
00:35:53.000They can stop other people from having it.
00:35:55.000I must be naive right now because this shit going on in Egypt and Libya makes me think that The corporate bullshit like that is just such a pipe dream.
00:36:07.000They will invoke things like that and there'll be a period of time where the belt gets too tight, but I just don't think it works.
00:36:14.000Yeah, I don't know what's going on in Egypt and what's going on in Libya and what's going on in Iran, but I don't think anything really happens without the CIA being involved.
00:37:06.000If there are people out there, if there's some conspiracy, no, because you've got fucking...
00:37:11.000Right after everything went down in Egypt, they were showing pictures of Mubarak on mainstream press as though we were kind of a good guy.
00:37:21.000I mean, it's so cool to watch mainstream news because it's like they have to spend a few days deciding what tone they're going to take with it.
00:37:29.000And when the Egyptian revolution started, the United States government didn't come out and do much at all because they were waiting to see if they would be able to push them down, to hold them down.
00:37:38.000You know, and then they kind of came out in favor of the people, but they had to.
00:37:41.000But there's pictures of Obama meeting with him, many presidents meeting with him.
00:38:11.000I wouldn't be surprised if this is some...
00:38:14.000I mean, I'm such a fucking new age hippie sometimes, like, you know, with 2012 coming up and the acceleration of technology, what I like to think of this as is the beginning of people having the ability to organize themselves in a way that's never been possible in human history, mixing in with the ability to get information that you could never get.
00:38:36.000So that motivates people to revolt against liars.
00:38:39.000And that's what the Internet's doing, just showing who the fucking liars are out there.
00:38:43.000Yeah, I think you're right about that.
00:38:45.000I definitely think that the social media and using Facebook and Twitter to get messages out to where we're going to protest and where we're going to meet.
00:38:53.000I mean, that's one of the first things they did in Egypt and one of the first things they did in Libya is cut off their supply to the Internet.
00:38:59.000They cut off their connection to the world.
00:39:00.000But, you know, I mean, don't think that the CIA isn't fucking super savvy about that kind of shit, too.
00:39:06.000You know, I mean, because of course they are.
00:39:08.000And I'm not saying that this isn't, you know, it's not possible that it's just a plain old-fashioned revolt.
00:39:14.000I just think that the United States is so clever about, you know, The foreign policy and how they interfere with other countries, that they don't ever allow anything to really slip by.
00:39:24.000When this guy got arrested in Pakistan for shooting down some people who tried to rob him, and then it turned out the guy was a CIA operative that was embedded into the system over there.
00:39:32.000When you find out stuff like that, it's like, wow, how many of these guys are there?
00:42:10.000And they just start incorporating your douchiness into the script, you know?
00:42:15.000Because I know they do that on shows all the time.
00:42:17.000They do that on shows all the time, and people complain.
00:42:20.000Apparently, like, that girl, what's her name, Catherine Hegel, that's in, like, all those romantic movies that make you want to fucking hurl.
00:42:43.000And apparently they just fucking, they just started giving her like really shitty parts and not writing her in too much because she started getting an attitude.
00:43:13.000They're hoping that Charlie pulls it together, and then by the time it goes around next year, they can add four to next year and make up for what they owe.
00:43:20.000So this is basically like for the corporations, this is the same thing as when like a Roman emperor had a favorite gladiator.
00:43:28.000And the people loved the gladiator, but he got a big head and started going a little crazy.
00:44:00.000That's a mindfuck, especially for actors, because for a giant chunk of their life, not necessarily with Charlie Sheen, he was pretty much instantly successful, but for most actors, it's a long series of failures and disappointments and rejections, and then finally you make it with something, and you have a fucking chip on your shoulder for all those people that caused you pain.
00:44:18.000I can't tell you how many conversations I've had with famous dudes that we'll talk about still to this day, about horrible fucking casting sessions that they had, horrible...
00:44:27.000You know, auditions where it went wrong and, you know, all the scuffling around and all the humiliating auditions that they had to go on.
00:44:33.000You know, it's like fucking, you know, people, they get in there and they, you know, they become famous and they just want to get back at all those people that hurt them all that time.
00:44:43.000It's like they needed all that exorbitant amount of attention.
00:44:46.000They needed to be fucking special and everyone was saying, no, you're not.
00:44:59.000The other direction is so enormous because of how much is pushing them down in the beginning, you know, how they feel.
00:45:05.000Well, you know, man, when you run into an actor or a comedian or anybody who seems proud of themselves, it's automatically so disappointing because it's like, oh, you think...
00:45:42.000That sounds ridiculous to people that don't create things, though.
00:45:45.000If you talk to a person who's not creative, doesn't write a lot or perform a lot, they really don't have any idea what you're talking about.
00:45:51.000And most people out there, they don't make a living being creative.
00:45:56.000A lot of people never achieve that zen state where whatever you've gotten good at it, whether it's art or music or Even dance, they say that.
00:47:04.000I've watched an asshole on TV and in the back of my head thought, if this was performance art, this would be the greatest artist of all time.
00:47:12.000You know, performance art turns everything into...
00:47:15.000Yeah, but aren't you guys more skeptical when you see people like Brody Stevens, where the normal person will see Brody Stevens and go, well, that person is just fucking crazy and angry mad, but then you talk to him backstage and you're like, oh, I get it.
00:47:27.000He is being almost like a character of himself.
00:47:30.000No, Brody's so obviously a character, dude.
00:51:27.000I have friends that have girlfriends that have guy friends, and they'll go and pal around with these guy friends.
00:51:32.000And I'm like, yo, dude, you need to fucking nip this shit right in the butt.
00:51:36.000Your girlfriend is hot, and she's hanging around with a bunch of guys that she's been pals with since she moved here to Hollywood two years ago, whatever.
00:51:57.000Have you ever had a girl that was hot that you were friends with and you weren't somehow or another trying to think, how am I going to get to fuck her?
00:52:03.000How am I going to get to move this into us having sex?
00:52:51.000Listen to me, stubborn fucking shit brain from 12 hours in a fucking airplane.
00:52:56.000I'm tired of pretending I'm not delivering the freaking goods at every turn.
00:52:59.000What they're saying is there's something wrong with the orbit of the moon that can be attributed to a large extra solar system planet.
00:53:05.000They're thinking there's something out there that's It's much, much bigger than Jupiter, about four times the size of Jupiter.
00:53:11.000And this is just one of several things that I've been following over the last couple of months where there's a bunch of different studies that are talking about this Planet X thing.
00:53:21.000But apparently, they're really close to saying that there is something beyond Neptune, beyond, you know, Pluto's not real anymore, but something out there, like way out there, that's four times the size of Jupiter.
00:53:42.000It might be just so fucking far out there.
00:53:44.000It might be really cold, so we can't see it.
00:53:47.000They're thinking that this thing is, by calling it inside our solar system, I think what they're saying is that it's further away from Pluto than Pluto is from us, but yet it's still in some sort of an orbit.
00:54:00.000And it's huge, and it's way out there.
00:54:03.000So this is like, this is the Planet X, Nibiru thing everyone talks about?
00:54:09.000That it smashes into us every certain amount of time?
00:54:12.000Well, it depends on who you're asking.
00:54:13.000I mean, you know, if you talk to the people that believe that, you know, Earth was created this way, and, you know, it's actually detailed, according to Zacharias Hitchin in the Sumerian text, what they think is that somehow or another this extrasolar planet or this planet is on an elliptical orbit, rather.
00:54:31.000And it takes 3,600 years to come into line with Earth.
00:54:36.000And it comes near us and fucks everything up.
00:54:39.000And then the Anunnaki jump off and they leap off their boat onto our boat and go, hey, what's going on over here?
00:54:44.000And then they come check us out and make us slaves for a little bit, make us mine for gold and erase our memories and fly back into space.
00:54:50.000I mean, I don't know what the fuck they exactly think, but...
00:54:53.000You know, when you look at, you know, the really interesting shit about what they figured out was that they already knew back then, according to Zachariah Sitchin, that Earth had been hit by a large planet.
00:55:25.000I need to find out if this is true or not.
00:55:27.000But that Bode's Law is a law that you look at the gravity of one planet and you can extrapolate where the next planet will be based on how dense the planet is and what the gravity of it is and what the mass of it is.
00:55:40.000And it works on every planet in our solar system except for Mars and Jupiter.
00:55:45.000There should be a planet in between there.
00:55:47.000And that's where the asteroid belt is.
00:55:49.000So the idea is that, you know, something was there, collided.
00:55:52.000What's the reason why there's not a planet there?
00:55:56.000I mean, look, there's a bunch of theories about why the asteroid belt exists, you know, and one of them being that it's like some of the fabric of the very solar system.
00:56:05.000That it's just like, you know, from the forming of the solar system, this is like, you know, some just leftover shit that's there.
00:56:10.000And then the other one is that it's, you know, a planet got fucking nailed and just destroyed and became this gigantic belt of rocks and shit.
00:57:01.000Well, you know, the idea on planets that, you know, like rogue planets, I guess they get sucked in.
00:57:08.000They come from somewhere else and they get sucked into our solar system and get sucked into our gravity or any other solar system's gravity.
00:57:16.000And there's an interesting thing about this Pluto, this planet that's outside of Pluto, is that they're saying the gravity of this thing, one of the reasons why they figured out that there's something huge out there, the gravity of this thing is hurling comets in our direction.
00:58:51.000But now you can grab things and it knows how the distance up and down is.
00:58:56.000And you can do like 3D kind of just like the future when you see in the movies where they're like pulling up displays and tapping things and stuff like that.
01:00:45.000Yeah, no, I think there are, I've heard, I don't know, I never really investigated them, but I always thought that was true.
01:00:52.000If they can figure out that there's a planet deep, deep somewhere in our galaxy that they don't know about just from the effect that it has on the moon's gravitational field, then that means it must be having an effect on us, too.
01:01:05.000Like, if it's literally like some planet far away is so powerful that it's altering the moon a little bit, then that same minor pull would be affecting us, too.
01:02:21.000And a couple of websites here I'm looking at when it comes to the moon.
01:02:25.000And one of them is saying that the claims of a correlation between lunar phases to human behavior does not hold up under scientific scrutiny.
01:02:33.000So they're saying that there's no connection.
01:02:37.000But then other people are saying that there is a connection.
01:03:10.000This test is only 99% accurate, so it's kind of like the...
01:03:17.000Yeah, this one site is saying, despite the fact that no evidence of a significant correlation between phases of the moon, the menstrual cycle, and fertility exists, some people not only maintain that there is, but have a scientific explanation for the non-existent correlation.
01:03:29.000It could be that just people want to believe it.
01:03:32.000Or it could be just like people would go nutty because back in the day it was like bright outside at night.
01:03:37.000Whereas before you had to watch where the fuck you walked and it was super dark out.
01:03:41.000You know, like a couple of times a year or a couple of times a month rather, you know, for a few days you get a giant spotlight in the sky.
01:03:51.000And probably people did nuttier shit back then.
01:03:53.000But if the moon affects the tides, it's powerful enough to make tides come in and tides go out, I could totally see how it would affect whatever weird oceans in your brain, whatever quantum oceans floating around up there.
01:04:47.000You know the old classic, when you walk into the dishwasher with your shin and somebody's nearby and says anything to you, like, are you okay?
01:05:01.000So if you're in pain, if you feel like shit, in whatever way you feel like shit, for whatever reason, you're probably treating the people around you like shit.
01:05:35.000I think it's whenever you get around that kind of energy coming from someone or for whatever reason when you run into someone really smart, you get the sense that they've managed to turn the judgment thing off on their computer and they just like you just because you're having this bizarre experience on the planet with them and they kind of get it.
01:05:56.000That's one of the most healing things.
01:05:58.000I used to, at one point in my life, when someone would be judging me, and I would know they would be judging me, I would feel insecure, I would get upset, I would get like, wow, you know, like, man, maybe I'm a loser.
01:06:08.000But if I felt like I was being unfairly scrutinized, I would just think it was, I'm just obviously, I'm a loser, I'm losing at this, whatever this is right now, and this person doesn't like me.
01:06:17.000Now, I have a completely different effect.
01:06:20.000Now, when I feel like someone's judging me or someone's being hypercritical or shitty to me, I'm like, why are you being a cunt?
01:06:29.000There's no reason why this has to be a douchey conversation.
01:06:32.000If it's douchey, you're the one who's starting the douchiness.
01:06:35.000And I think for a lot of people, man, that's one of the biggest things they worry about in life is getting judged and criticized and shit on.
01:06:56.000It's like we're talking about the gravity of the planet.
01:06:58.000It's like if someone's judging you, there's a gravity that they're exerting on you that can lead you into being the thing that they think you are.
01:07:06.000It's like what's that bizarre idea where it's the observer's effect when you're looking at an An atom or an electron or a photon, I think it is.
01:07:14.000That weird thing where at the quantum level, things seem to go in the direction of the way you expect them to.
01:07:26.000What I'm saying is I think that that...
01:07:28.000It can happen when you're around someone who has a firm belief that you suck.
01:07:34.000You can suddenly, it'll start drawing out of you the shitty behavior because it's like it will start blossoming out of you and it fucking sucks.
01:07:42.000In the same way, if you're around somebody who really sees you and sees how cool you are, then all of a sudden you're funnier.
01:09:22.000It was, um, they made a really good point because, um, Happiness and sadness are two sides of the same thing that if you pay too much attention to them, you'll begin to get caught up in chaos and randomness.
01:09:37.000In the Bhagavad Gita, there's this great verse that says,"...a wise man is not disturbed." By either happiness or sadness.
01:09:48.000Your mind does not shift according to your mood states.
01:09:52.000You're not plugging into the chemicals that are making you feel stressed out or making you feel happy.
01:10:02.000And that's what I think happiness would be.
01:10:05.000As opposed to the other kind of happiness, which you were saying, isn't that bad?
01:10:08.000which is the ecstasy happiness or the kind of like happiness that comes when Charlie Sheen does a line of blow or the kind of hat that kind of happiness induces them allegedly allegedly I don't think he's really on cocaine at all I don't think it's on any drugs except Charlie Sheen which is apparently the name of some new kind of meth it's probably just a new method they invented we'll call this Sheen but I I think that
01:10:34.000So that's my idea of happiness, is not to get caught up in the mood states.
01:10:40.000Because you're going to feel like shit on this planet.
01:10:44.000You have to feel like, you will feel like shit.
01:11:26.000But you've got to be around a bunch of other people that also commit to the same ideas.
01:11:29.000You have to be around a bunch of other really fun, happy people.
01:11:32.000It's very difficult to go in on your own.
01:11:34.000The only way you can is if somehow or another you attract people as you're going in on your own and you're committed to a life of happiness that also kind of like catch into your vibe and then pick up what you're doing and do the same thing.
01:12:48.000The thing people like is the way the possession makes them feel.
01:12:52.000The feeling state that is induced from the thing.
01:12:57.000People like feeling in love and people begin to associate I think that there's a place...
01:13:22.000Maybe it's legendary and I shouldn't even believe in it, but a lot of the saints and a lot of gurus and a lot of people who seem very advanced seem to point to a place that is not dependent on being triggered by things in the material universe.
01:13:39.000In other words, the feeling that you get from amazing stuff is a pre-existing feeling inside of you.
01:13:45.000You already have that inside of you and you're letting stuff be the excuse to feel that way.
01:13:50.000Whereas the idea is you can pop into a state where you're always experiencing that type of excitement and pleasure that you've limited to, if I get a great job, if I get a nice house, if I book some other thing again, or if I get a brand new car, if I get the new Mac.
01:14:51.000People want to put off meditating or experimenting with different forms of spirituality until they're good, until they feel like they're perfect.
01:15:01.000They want to approach, they're like, you know, I'm going to be happy soon, but let me get rid of this other shit first.
01:15:09.000The idea is you approach understanding yourself and the universe and your connection to the universe not from a place where you think you're going to be, but from where you are right now is some filthy, filthy thing.
01:15:22.000No matter what, if you haven't really meditated a lot, the chances are you're absorbed in some...
01:15:27.000If you're on Earth, you're absorbed in some really stupid, crazy shit.
01:15:31.000And if you wait till you're better balanced to start meditating, you're not.
01:15:36.000You're never going to get into just from exactly where you're at as a fucking sex crazed beast or an alcoholic or with seven heroin needles falling out of your arm.
01:16:01.000It's the same thing as everything else.
01:16:03.000You have to somehow or another trigger that action in your brain to force your body to move in the direction of whatever the fuck it is you need to do.
01:16:11.000Hopefully we can hack our brains in the future where we know exactly what to do to motivate them.
01:16:17.000I don't want to be the first, though, because there's a bunch of dudes that are going to turn gay because they try to get smarter.
01:16:24.000Because for sure that's going to happen, man.
01:16:26.000They're going to fucking stab the wrong part of your cortex and you're just like, yummy cock.
01:17:24.000Do you think that if there was a place where you could go where you could go and just lie down in a machine and the body would be forced to do all this work without you ever having to exert effort mentally, you would be down with that?
01:18:34.000Very few people can do 500. And it's one of those things where when you start doing it, you get into it, you do like 25 and then you're like, holy shit, 26, 27, the lactic burn.
01:18:46.000You know, the muscle burn in your legs.
01:19:00.000You really can't stand up one more time just with your own body weight?
01:19:04.000So you have to like figure out how to order your brain to work for you and push through it.
01:19:10.000And sometimes for like a couple of minutes you'll be in agony taking big deep breaths and then push out another one and go down and big deep breaths.
01:19:25.000Your body's going, I'm sending you these signals, this shit is not fun, let's cut it off.
01:19:28.000And then you have to figure out a way to manage that and balance that.
01:19:31.000And once you do, once you do have the ability to push yourself through brutal workouts, push yourself through like jiu-jitsu class and kickboxing class and stuff like that, when you develop a character, you develop something, you develop a control over your body that the average person doesn't have.
01:20:50.000And he's staying down there for an impossibly long time.
01:20:53.000And I'm like, it went from eating like, wow, that guy's great to like, my heart started beating because I was like, oh, fuck, I think this guy's drowning.
01:21:00.000Like, I think this guy's going to die.
01:21:48.000I think it's something you build up to.
01:21:49.000I think it's something just like everything else.
01:21:51.000The only way you can do 500 bodyweight squats is you've got to start off with 25 and work your way up to 500. I think they just developed the ability to hold their breath.
01:22:00.000I know Egan Inoue, who is an MMA fighter.
01:22:04.000Him and his brother Ensign are pretty famous pioneers and his brother Egan is famous for being a freediver.
01:22:10.000I think he won some sort of crazy title.
01:22:13.000I think at one point in time he held his breath longer than anybody else.
01:22:19.000Maybe SEALs and shit train you to do that.
01:22:23.000Dude, I told you about my friend Eric, Eric Crisp, the guy who went to, he makes pool cues, makes these badass pool cues.
01:22:30.000He's in the military, and he had tried out for the SEALs, and one of the things they make you do, I believe it was the SEALs, it might have been one of the special forces, one of the other groups like that, they make you drown.
01:22:40.000Like, you literally go underwater until bubbles come up, and then your team has to rescue you.
01:22:46.000So you have to trust in them to bring you back to life.
01:22:49.000Like, you go unconscious, you drown, they pull you out before your body's totally dead, they pump the water out of you, they give you CPR, and then they bring you back to life.
01:22:56.000And that's when he was like, I tap, I'm done.
01:33:18.000We are all fascinated by that transition, you know, from here to there, from present to not, from life to death, from here to gone, you know?
01:33:48.000This thing has been burning a hole through my chest.
01:33:50.000You're just lucky that you didn't become famous.
01:33:53.000You're lucky that you didn't become famous in the time between living here and going out on your own, because I would have sold that fucking thing.
01:34:00.000If you were Charlie Sheen, I'd be on the Today Show right now.
01:34:33.000But anyway, Duncan wrote this journal about his feelings and the relationship.
01:34:37.000And the reason why I brought this up, the reason why my mind even went to it in the first place, is because a lot of people are scared of the isolation tank for the same reason they're scared of death.
01:36:07.000You go into shock, and that is the perfect time to get in a fucking flotation tank when everything's discombobulated and floating around inside of you and all the weird assemblage of emotions and More than anything, though, what's cool about that shit is you get a real taste of truth.
01:36:23.000Like that's what truth is right there.
01:36:25.000That's like the experience of truth, which is change, which is dramatic, radical change.
01:37:32.000But it was really interesting for me watching you because it was such an unusual opportunity for both of us.
01:37:39.000It was an unusual opportunity for me to watch someone who didn't have a lot of experience with a tank, but who was such a curious person and psychedelically experienced like you, and then have access to this thing on a daily basis.
01:37:52.000And for me to watch you go from this really low point to really gaining ground, you came out of it stronger.
01:38:01.000It was so fucking cool climbing out of that thing in that state of being, in the state of having had...
01:38:09.000Because psychedelics are not limited to drugs.
01:38:14.000There are many ways to induce a psychedelic state of mind, the tank being one of them.
01:38:20.000Another way to induce a psychedelic state of mind is to have dramatic change happen in your life that rips back whatever delusion you are living by and shows you the true universe.
01:38:32.000Yeah, the term psychedelic to a lot of people means like seeing things that aren't there, hallucinations.
01:38:39.000Dancing mice, you know, shit like that.
01:38:41.000Pink elephants flying through the sky.
01:38:45.000The real psychedelic state is the dissolution of cultural conformity and your ideas of the universe, all your predetermined patterns of thinking, all your...
01:38:55.000Your adopted behavior patterns, all that gets stripped away and you're left with the core of you and your decisions and what you can and can't change and how you led yourself into a position where you were so weak in the first place that you needed saving from.
01:39:14.000What is it about life and about trying to get by in this world that leaves us so fucking vulnerable sometimes and so in need of other human beings to stack us up and to hold us up?
01:41:23.000Let me just say, I think the reason the word resigned popped out of your mouth first is because I think there is a certain level of being, and it sounds like it's like I'm giving up, but resigned can also be like a kind of surrender, where you're like, I'm just no longer going to spend time, whether on stage or off stage, Yes.
01:42:50.000They have all kinds of weird situations where the relationship, they're stuck somehow or another, whether it's because of a mortgage or because of a business that they started together.
01:42:58.000Or a mental idea of how things are supposed to be.
01:43:03.000It has like a melted brain and you've got to take care of like a little like sick kid for 12 years or like there's so many different ways that your particular DNA can get rivuleted down into a shitty trap where you're just like there it's like that's why I like that movie you said you didn't want to see it and I'm sorry if you've seen it didn't like it but what was that 127 hours did you see that?
01:43:29.000No, I didn't see it because I knew the story and I, you know, I don't want to watch some dude hack his fucking arm arm.
01:43:42.000It's a fucking metaphor, which is that sometimes doing the thing you love to do, whatever it is, and that's for a lot of people, is fucking.
01:43:52.000Doing the thing you love most, you can end up getting your goddamn arm pinned So you're connecting someone having a baby to cutting your arm off.
01:44:08.000Look, you're saying what a lot of single people with no children say.
01:44:11.000And what you're saying is, you know, we were talking about our friend who tweeted something about having a child is like the exact opposite of winning the lottery.
01:45:39.000You know one thing that I would try to do when I used to work out and when I first started working out?
01:45:44.000I would try to lift weight that was so much more heavy than what I should have been lifting out of this sense of like, I could lift heavy weights!
01:45:54.000And so now I'm trying to lift way too...
01:45:57.000I should be at the fucking pink weights.
01:45:59.000And I'm like trying to do, you know what I mean?
01:46:01.000I'm trying to do like really fucking heavy weights because it's like, this is how I see myself down the line after I've been lifting pink weights for a while.
01:46:09.000That's how you get to the heavy weights.
01:46:11.000But if you start off right away trying to pump those fucking heavy weights, then it's disaster.
01:46:16.000You're going to pull your fucking muscles.
01:46:19.000Like people, you know, like dudes who lifted weights.
01:46:22.000One guy I think came up to me, he's like, looking at me like, what are you doing?
01:46:26.000He's like, that's way too much weight.
01:46:29.000And so this is like having a kid when you're 16. Having a kid when you're 16 or deciding that you're a famous comedian before you are.
01:46:36.000Getting on stage after a couple of months and getting in your fucking head that you've been doing stand-up for 15 years or being a fucking painter and just immediately thinking you're a great painter.
01:46:48.000Because I've had friends who've gotten into painting, right?
01:48:52.000Because you're forced suddenly, not just to evaluate how miserable an artist they are, how cliche and shitty their music is, but also you realize that the fact that they felt comfortable playing this for you means they think it's good.
01:49:06.000So they're so deluded and so fucked up, they're like, oh yeah, they've been waiting all day to play their music.
01:49:12.000You get really attached to a script or a piece of music or a joke.
01:49:16.000I mean, how many times have you had a friend who's just starting out and they have a bit and you want to tell them, like, hey man, you need to drop that bit.
01:49:37.000If someone's been doing stand-up for less than a year, I don't even critique their material because I know they're going to grow out of it and it's going to change.
01:49:46.000The first year of stand-up, you can't...
01:51:58.000And second of all, why do we think that it's apocalypse?
01:52:00.000Maybe it's some one badass worm becomes a sorcerer and just decides to get back all these cunty birds that have been fucking with his family for generations.
01:52:09.000You know, he's wearing a wizard's robe and he's just...
01:52:37.000And so I know that I can take a chance.
01:52:39.000Like, let's just swing off this vine and hope I can catch that bridge or catch a vine that I didn't know was there.
01:52:45.000How cool is it when you start killing and you're improvising and you're in that bizarre wave where suddenly you're not doing any jokes and then...
01:52:55.000Sometimes I've improvised and done well and then tried to go back into a joke, and it doesn't do as well because they were so used to that stuff that was coming in the moment.
01:55:00.000Before you ever talked about the ex-girlfriends, how you have these pets from them and they all have the same personality.
01:55:05.000Yeah, but I didn't, I mean, the first time I thought of that bit, I was seriously waiting for the comic in front of me to get off stage, and I'm just thinking, like, I've got to do something about my animals, because I feel like I'm a single mom right now.
01:55:17.000And so I went on stage and said, hey, you know, I feel like a single mom.
01:55:20.000Oh, so maybe when you talked to me about it, you had already done it on stage.
01:56:26.000You want to talk about other shit I notice?
01:56:28.000Man, that's the problem with comedy, man.
01:56:30.000There's good comedy, but the shitty comedian is a pathetic figure, man.
01:56:36.000It's just such a rough mode of being, man.
01:56:39.000It's such a silly, embarrassing existence.
01:56:43.000What's the idea that you command the attention of the crowd, your voice is amplified, there's a light spot put on you, and you are supposedly so entertaining and interesting that all you have to do is talk, and you're going to grab the attention of all these people in this room.
01:57:01.000You're requesting this exorbitant amount of attention, and it's because you claim to have this skill, and this skill is you're going to elicit laughter, you're going to extract laughter from the audience.
01:57:13.000What's really weird lately, I have been noticing, there's this whole breed of comic, open mic mostly, that does their whole act, but not once did you think, no, there's a joke there.
01:57:25.000Meaning they're just talking, and they're forgetting that this is supposed to be funny almost.
01:57:31.000They're almost saying a story, and when they're done with the story, they expect you to clap, but then you...
01:57:54.000It's so amazing that people could be that bad, though.
01:57:56.000What's amazing is they could be that bad forever.
01:57:58.000How many dudes have you ever seen at the comedy store that have been doing stand-up for 10 plus years doing open mics and they're still brutally bad?
01:58:10.000The fact that you haven't gotten better at all and you've been doing it for some people 15 years.
01:58:15.000I don't think you can get better if you're not good at all.
01:58:20.000I think, you know, there are some guys that get into comedy that truly don't understand what comedy is, and they see other people doing it and talking it, but they're so socially unaware that they don't know how they come off to other people.
01:58:31.000And they probably don't have the tools, the psychological tools, the cognitive tools to really objectively assess their own personality.
01:58:39.000So they're never going to be able to do it.
01:59:00.000Yeah, you literally have to become a different person.
01:59:03.000The person that you are is just, what you have is like, it's like, I want to race in the Formula One Grand Prix, but I have a Toyota Camry.
01:59:57.000And in religion, there's this idea of tithing, where you're supposed to get 10% of your income to the church.
02:00:05.000So, dude, I've started thinking about that.
02:00:07.000And I've started thinking, like, how fucking interesting would your life get if you decided to give 10% of your income, not to the church, but you decided to, like, give 10% of your income to do, like, really cool things for people randomly.
02:01:23.000Like the look on their face is like, what just happened to me?
02:01:27.000Because everything is inverted in our society towards the self.
02:01:31.000Everyone's always thinking about themselves.
02:01:34.000Everyone's always fixating on themselves.
02:01:36.000If for two hours you don't fixate on yourself long enough to go do some random fucking thing for somebody, dude, it's trippy.
02:01:44.000I definitely think that putting energy in towards any sort of charitable notion, anything where you're helping people, it definitely is the right kind of energy to put out there in the world.
02:01:55.000It definitely can induce a different state of mind, a different state of being.
02:01:59.000But the charity thing, which is great.
02:02:25.000It's like, it's always, something like that is always going down.
02:02:29.000Doing random cool things for people, it does, it gives you like, it definitely gives you some sort of a weird charge.
02:02:35.000You know, when I gave away my isolation tank online, that was one of the coolest things that I ever did because I, I mean, it's a fucking $8,000 piece of equipment.
02:04:52.000He's trying to invent some new screen where you can watch.
02:04:56.000It's the lowest amount of light is coming through these LCD screens so you can watch documentaries inside the tank and you can learn from it somehow or another.
02:05:08.000Maybe there's a way to have information blasted into your brain.
02:05:12.000What he's saying is that when you have an absence of sensory input, you can really absorb information at a much faster rate.
02:05:19.000And it totally makes sense on paper because the whole idea...
02:05:22.000I mean, look, it's very difficult to watch a movie if there's jackhammers going on behind you, distracting you.
02:05:28.000If you had a float tank that had an interactive surface on the top of it, so that it can turn completely dark if you wanted to.
02:05:38.000But if you want, you could light the entire fucking thing up with the universe, the Milky Way, the, I don't know, just blue sky or whatever.
02:05:47.000Just fucking Sanskrit verses from all the great scriptures flying on there.
02:06:25.000If I knew how to read this, would I be reading, like, some kind of message here?
02:06:30.000Am I actually looking at some kind of...
02:06:33.000You know what McKenna believes, actually?
02:06:35.000What he thought was that when you do a psychedelic, what you're doing is you're taking part in the experience of everyone else who's also done that psychedelic.
02:06:44.000That's why he described ketamine as such an odd psychedelic, because it seems like its database of users was very, very small.
02:06:52.000So he said ketamine felt like an office building that was empty.
02:06:56.000You'd go in there and it's just empty cubicles.
02:07:14.000When I was in Chichen Itza and I went on a tour, the guy that took me on a guide was a really, really interesting guy.
02:07:20.000He was a local university professor who also did guides, like did tours and shit like that.
02:07:26.000It was just really deep into the history of it.
02:07:29.000And he just openly talked about the psychedelics, like how they would take psychedelics.
02:07:33.000And they had all different rooms that they would practice different rituals in.
02:07:36.000And it's well known that there was a deep, deep history in Mexico of psychedelic mushroom use.
02:07:40.000So it's not surprising that when you do mushrooms, and especially if you do mushrooms that you buy in California, you know, I mean, you're probably getting the same strains that the Mayans got.
02:07:50.000I mean, you're probably getting those Mexican mushrooms.
02:07:53.000And you see all sorts of weird Mayan symbols.
02:07:56.000It's almost like what you're doing is you're somehow or another tapping into their, the past people's psychedelic experiences.
02:08:16.000As long as they don't have psilocybin in them?
02:08:18.000I don't want to announce eating mushrooms to 500 billion people, of which by now at least 3,000 are police officers intently listening with a notepad.
02:08:28.000They just said they're going to the beach!
02:08:30.000It's just as ridiculous that mushrooms are illegal as Monsanto trying to patent a pig.
02:08:37.000How the fuck is one person going to tell you that some spore, a fucking plant, a living organism, by the way, which is actually closer to a human than plants are to humans.
02:08:55.000It's not just that someone feels okay enforcing the law.
02:08:59.000If you eat those fucking things that make you see some kind of weird transcendental language that the Mayans were trying to copy down, that's what I think.
02:09:07.000I think they were seeing a language and they're like, alright, this is the best way we can replicate this weird language that we were seeing.
02:09:15.000But to think that something that produces that effect...
02:09:19.000There are people right now in federal fucking penitentiaries right now laying in a cot in a federal penitentiary listening to fucking white Aryan resistance murderers jerking off just because you wanted to fucking see the mothership for a second.
02:09:36.000You're three doors down from a guy who fisted a six-year-old.
02:09:50.000Just the fact that they're in a cage at all.
02:09:52.000I mean, maybe you do once you get in there and they, you know, one of the fucking Hispanic guys wants to fight with you and you stab them in the neck and, you know, you wind up getting a murder rap on top of it.
02:11:01.000Well, I definitely think that people should be penalized for putting other people in danger because they're drunk and irresponsible.
02:11:07.000But when it comes to things like mushrooms, when it comes to psychedelic experiences and the idea that you can make any sort of plant that grows here or fungus that grows here naturally, it's a part of the ecosystem already, way before we invented it.
02:11:20.000This is fucking completely ridiculous.
02:11:22.000Especially when you look at all the stuff that is legal and all the stuff that can kill you and all the stuff that you could buy at any store.
02:11:49.000Well look, Here I can show you a thousand different people that'll tell you that they've got over post-traumatic stress disorder, they've gotten over addictions, they've gotten over all these things because of psychedelic experiences.
02:12:00.000And you're telling me that it's illegal.
02:12:07.000Whenever there's something that people can benefit from and people have all these stories about and there's an area to explore and someone's keeping you from doing that and trying to lock you in jail if you do do that, they're the fucking criminals.
02:13:17.000But now he just quit everything and now is vegan.
02:13:20.000Isn't that crazy to you to think that somebody that gets in a toilet with shit is so concerned about his health that he's eating vegan and not on anything?
02:13:28.000Well, yes, he's probably realizing how silly his life was.
02:13:31.000And it's like, you know, putting himself back in line.
02:13:33.000It's like, well, what's the logical step to put yourself as far in line as you can and go vegetarian and vegan?
02:13:39.000There's a guy named John Fitch that fought in this last UFC and he went he had a vegan diet.
02:14:55.000But then he lost position and Fitch got on top of him.
02:14:57.000So the question is, what's worth more?
02:15:00.000Is it worth more to take a guy down and to get a dominant position where you're close to finishing a fight but then losing it and getting reversed and wind up being your guard with the guy on top of you throwing punches?
02:15:10.000Is that better or is it better to take the guy's back?
02:15:14.000Well, that's a subjective thing, so it's tricky.
02:15:16.000I could see the first two rounds score for BJ, and I could see someone scoring one of them for Fitch, and I could also see the third round being 10-8.
02:15:31.000I mean, BJ's a bad motherfucker, but he's small for that weight class.
02:15:34.000When he's fighting, he's weighing 166 with his pants on, and he's fighting Fitch.
02:15:39.000But this is the thing about Fitch, the reason why I brought this up.
02:15:41.000He was, at one point in time, like 200 pounds, and he would cut down to 170. But now he's all organic and vegan, and he's wearing around 180, which is really light for him, and then dropping a little weight.
02:15:51.000But his cardio is way better now, too.
02:15:53.000I've entertained trying a serious vegan diet for a while.
02:15:57.000But I heard Travis Barker, after he crashed in that plane and he had to get skin grafts and shit like that, they didn't take until he started eating meat.
02:16:06.000And he stopped being a vegan in his recovery from that.
02:16:09.000He was a vegan before that, and then when he started eating red meat, then all of a sudden his healing went through the roof.
02:16:16.000Whenever I eat vegan food at a vegan restaurant, I fucking love it.
02:17:03.000We give them corn because it makes them fat as fuck, which makes the meat so delicious and tender when you cook it because there's all this fat...
02:17:10.000Bubbling up inside of it and melting and it just gets awesome like a big fat fucking grain fed steak.
02:18:19.000Don't you think, though, that that docile behavior has been engineered through years of breeding for them to be, you know, farm animals, for them to be used, to be killed?
02:18:29.000It's an unnatural thing for people to just walk right up to an animal and be able to pet it.
02:19:09.000I would love to have my own farm someday and just have animals that, you know, you know what they're feeding, you know what you're feeding them rather.
02:19:15.000If you're going to eat them, you know how they're treated, you know that it's all humane.
02:19:19.000Dude, I think about my dream idea of that, which is like this crazy place out in the woods with solar panels where the majority of your electricity or all of it is coming from the sun and you're feeding yourself from this place.
02:19:42.000It's not like either you have people working for you and doing it, or if you're involved in it, you just work all day and sleep, and you wake up and work all day and sleep.
02:19:53.000Yeah, but you can be self-sustaining, which is very rewarding for a lot of people.
02:19:57.000The idea that you grow all your own food, you grow all your own vegetables, and you grow all your own animals as well.
02:20:02.000But yeah, you can hire a few people to run.
02:20:04.000I mean, if you just wanted a farm only for your family's sustenance, that's kind of an interesting theory, an interesting sort of concept.
02:20:12.000Set up a farm where all the vegetables that you grow are vegetables that you eat, and then I guess, you know, in the wintertime you can them or something or you have a greenhouse or something.
02:22:07.000It's just a matter of transferring things.
02:22:09.000Well, even, I mean, have you noticed even, I don't know on your laptop, but I know on this one, like fucking YouTube or YouTube videos or any kind of HD video still is struggling.
02:22:17.000Even though this is a pretty fast laptop, it still struggles.
02:24:26.000As I understand it, is the idea that if you take two particles and put them together and then move them apart, they still are somehow connected, and you can transfer information down that line.
02:24:37.000It's one of those things when I talk about it, I say what I've heard said, but I don't know what it means.
02:24:43.000I'm talking about superpositions, and I'm talking about entanglement, and I'm saying all those things.
02:24:49.000All I'm doing is making the right noises with my mouth.
02:24:52.000My brain barely makes the connection to what the fuck that truly means.
02:24:57.000My connection is just this rudimentary thing where I think of like two round things that have what appear to be a really long hair attaching them or something.
02:25:05.000Like the idea that things just kind of like...
02:25:09.000Have some invisible or tiny relationship that just stretches apart.
02:25:14.000But the reason I say that's voodoo or witchcraft is because it's like Rosemary's baby.
02:25:20.000Remember the guy called and he was missing his glove?
02:25:23.000Like one of the things witches are always trying to do is...
02:25:27.000And if quantum entanglement's true, then that would mean that there's some connection between you and the thing that came from you that they could start shooting bad energy down that line.
02:26:30.000Because we know what the chain reaction that causes diamonds, or the chemical reaction, the pressure and carbon and millions of years or...
02:26:38.000Some crazy fucking thing that the Russians invent that makes diamonds out of nothing.
02:26:42.000Well, have you ever heard the idea that alchemy was a code for a secret society that was trying to teach people to become enlightened through science?
02:26:54.000The idea of the transmutation of lead into gold.
02:26:57.000Even though it was a focus of alchemy, there was a deeper level, which was the idea that they're talking about the transformation of the human consciousness from going to...
02:27:08.000A useless, empty, robotic state to a fully realized state.
02:27:13.000And once you go to that state, you don't care if something's gold.
02:27:18.000The material universe doesn't mean anything anymore.
02:29:27.000Do you remember when you worked at the Comedy Store and I used to call you up and we'd have long ass fucking crazy conversations while you were working there?
02:29:34.000Yeah, that's how we got to be friends.
02:29:37.000Well, I used to know Duncan from Duncan hanging out there and then Duncan started working for the store and I would call up and Duncan and I would have long fucking bizarre conversations that would last for hours while you were working.
02:29:50.000Pretty much this would happen over the phone.
02:29:53.000And Duncan, here's proof that Duncan practices what he preaches.
02:29:57.000When he was working at the Comedy Store, that's when the Pauly Shore reality show came around.
02:30:11.000Well, man, what started happening is like, it seemed like, you know, he was talking about trying to make a show happen.
02:30:19.000And then the show started happening for real and all of a sudden I couldn't sleep at night and I was grinding my teeth because of the idea of having to be on this reality show.
02:30:30.000And I would wake up and my teeth would be grinding and I'd be like, oh, and this fucking feeling in the pit of my stomach like, oh no, this is it?
02:31:32.000Let me explain the difference between...
02:31:34.000And by the way, because I do not want to come off like I'm some kind of like saint or self-righteous, like super, like my artistic integrity.
02:31:43.000Yeah, it wasn't just any reality show, by the way.
02:31:46.000You had worked there and saw the toxic environment that you were dealing with for a long time.
02:31:52.000And then saw that the most toxic of all was in control of this sort of project.
02:31:57.000And it was going down all the wrong paths.
02:32:38.000To continue on would be the ultimate hypocrisy and would be a shitty move on every single level.
02:32:44.000It's interesting because a lot of people would have never thought about it that way.
02:32:47.000They would have thought, well, here's an opportunity.
02:32:49.000Honestly, me, me personally, I probably would have thought about it and said, well, if I was working there, at least I'll get on television.
02:32:55.000This will give me an opportunity to maybe branch off and do other things.
02:32:59.000Yeah, well, you know, man, I've got a really weird hang-up when it comes to performance, which is that I think that people, if they're performing for something that's making money, deserve to get paid for it.
02:33:14.000And so when I do our comedy show at the cemetery...
02:33:19.000We pay our comedians, we pay everyone who performs.
02:33:22.000And if I'm shooting something, even if it's something that I'm not getting paid for.
02:33:28.000If someone comes and is in a sketch I come up with, I pay them.
02:33:33.000I give them money because they drove out there and gave me their time and they fucking deserve it.
02:33:37.000I believe that you should be compensated for art.
02:33:41.000I think that it's one of the highest things ever.
02:33:44.000Another thing that was a little off-putting about that show is that I was clearly going to...
02:33:49.000It wasn't just like they were going to film me at my desk doing my job.
02:33:53.000It was like they wanted to create a heightened reality.
02:33:57.000what i mean which they wanted you to fake shit and yeah and follow a script and so i brought it was a bad script and so i said you know well what what it i mean for one i was i was even then i was in a after i was in an actor's union it's like so wait a minute you're not gonna pay me for acting You have to.
02:34:59.000Does that surprise you, given the toxic environment that we were talking about where you knew about comics opening for him and not getting paid and all sorts of other shit?
02:35:08.000Yeah, you're doing it for the store, buddy.
02:35:10.000See, and that's the problem about that attitude, which is in so many different aspects of society, which is where the artist is given the impression that they are lucky to be doing their art in a certain place.
02:35:43.000If there's a fucking guy who makes beautiful cabinets, the most beautiful cabinets in the world, that guy is not going to be like, man, I am so lucky to be in this workshop where they let me make these cabinets.
02:37:50.000Someone's going to drive an hour away.
02:37:52.000And I've done this before, by the way, because it's kind of a...
02:37:56.000You know, it's an opportunity to go and be on something and, you know, have some fun and, you know, and network with all these other people that are doing these things.
02:38:03.000But at a certain point in time, you're like, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.
02:38:19.000You gotta pay everyone who performs on your show.
02:38:21.000You know, with the bandwidth, though, that podcasts have been racking up on some people, like, what was Adam Carolla saying that he was paying up to $5,000 a month?
02:39:47.000That used to bother me a lot about radio shows.
02:39:50.000Someone would say something douche about someone, the person wouldn't want to do the show anymore, and they would say, hey, didn't we help you?
02:40:59.000The way people know us from doing this show, they know you in a deep, deep way.
02:41:04.000There's no other opportunity to get this close to people, this close to the workings of the mind.
02:41:10.000Dude, I have fucking still ongoing conversations happening on Facebook with people from this podcast who like, I'll tell them something crazy and then they'll email me like the most insane, subversive fucking video or just like...
02:41:28.000Sometimes I can't go on Facebook if I'm too stoned because I'll start getting paranoid because there'll be some heavy-duty, weird fucking shit up there.
02:41:40.000We are connecting with like-minded people in a way that's never been available before, and it's starting a network.
02:41:45.000It's not just a network with podcasts, with the Death Squad podcast and yours, the Lavender Hour.
02:41:50.000You know, it's that, but it's also a network with all these fucking people on Facebook, and all these people on Twitter, and these people that I met in Australia that came to the show, and these people that are, I've got a show this weekend, or this week, rather, Wednesday night, yeah, Wednesday night, I'm at the Louisville, Kentucky Improv.
02:42:26.000This is an opportunity for people to find and connect with like-minded people about things that they thought were interesting that fucking was not available just a year ago.
02:42:35.000It was not available two years ago or three years ago.
02:42:37.000It's like this new thought, this new hive mind that's being created.
02:42:43.000And I'm not taking responsibility for it.
02:43:23.000I've said this many times that I've talked to a bunch of people that have said they don't know anybody like us.
02:43:27.000They don't ever have the chance to have these opportunities to have these conversations with people that are near them.
02:43:31.000But they get to sit in on these conversations and it's changing the way they think.
02:43:35.000Well, it changes the way I think, too, because we're having these conversations on a really regular basis where we know we're broadcasting them.
02:43:41.000So we know a lot of the shit we say, we have to check it.
02:45:23.000Because this guy, he went on these shows and pretended that he knows how to do the yo-yo for kids.
02:45:29.000He did a character on these morning shows.
02:45:31.000Apparently, you could just send them a letter and say, I'm traveling through schools doing environmental lessons and using yo-yos to do it.
02:45:38.000And it kind of seems like a nice, feel-good story.
02:48:53.000We will see you soon on Friday, and I'll see you crazy freaks in Louisville, Kentucky, and maybe I could talk you out of escaping or creating something better in Louisville.