The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #845 - TJ Dillashaw, Duane Ludwig & Bas Rutten

00:00:01.000 Yes!

00:00:02.000 Slow down, Dwayne.

00:00:03.000 Slow down.

00:00:04.000 You have an orange watch. 1.00

00:00:05.000 You are a fucking... 1.00

00:00:06.000 What is the orange thing? 1.00

00:00:07.000 I've always been attracted to orange.

00:00:09.000 I grew up in Colorado.

00:00:10.000 So the Broncos, orange has always been around me.

00:00:13.000 So the favorite Ninja Turtle at the time was Michelangelo with the orange.

00:00:17.000 And then really no other fighters or gyms were using orange.

00:00:19.000 So I wanted to make sure I did my own thing.

00:00:22.000 That is your own thing.

00:00:23.000 Orange, yes sir.

00:00:23.000 I absolutely love orange.

00:00:26.000 I see some orange at a store, a crowd of people, I see an orange shirt and my eye just goes...

00:00:30.000 So if there's a fruit bowl and there's an orange right next to a banana.

00:00:34.000 Ground to orange.

00:00:35.000 TJ, what is it like being around this guy?

00:00:37.000 Oh, it's intense, man.

00:00:38.000 I love it.

00:00:38.000 You know, life's full of energy.

00:00:40.000 You know, you can't be calm around him because he's got enough energy for both of us, you know? 0.99

00:00:44.000 Yeah, no, he's a madman.

00:00:45.000 We worked out today, and he's in the middle of, like, training.

00:00:47.000 He just gets excited and starts hitting his pass together.

00:00:51.000 I love it.

00:00:52.000 I don't ever have to do road work because of this guy.

00:00:54.000 We hit mitts for so long and so hard that I'm in too good a shape already.

00:00:58.000 That's interesting.

00:00:59.000 All the footwork drills and everything, I never really thought of that.

00:01:02.000 You probably don't have to do road work.

00:01:03.000 It'd be too much.

00:01:04.000 I do too much training as it is.

00:01:06.000 If I started doing road work, I think I'd overtrain myself.

00:01:09.000 That's fascinating.

00:01:10.000 You have to kind of regulate that, huh?

00:01:12.000 There's a standard model that a lot of fighters follow, and road work is a big part of that.

00:01:18.000 But you think with all the stuff that you do, if you did that as well, it might be too much?

00:01:21.000 It'd be too many hours put into the day.

00:01:23.000 I'm just too tired by the time I get home.

00:01:26.000 I mean, I could do it out of camp, you know, just to keep my mind right and kind of get some zen going.

00:01:31.000 But during camp, it's too much.

00:01:32.000 I train too much to be able to have to run as well.

00:01:38.000 We're good to go.

00:01:41.000 We're good to go.

00:01:57.000 To me, he seems like the kind of fighter that does need to build on the cardio anyways.

00:02:00.000 I feel like each person's body is going to react differently to training.

00:02:04.000 And I'm someone that has endless cardio, it feels like, when I'm fighting and training.

00:02:08.000 So I need to stay a little bit more fast twitch.

00:02:10.000 And I'm always putting size on instead of losing it.

00:02:12.000 And I feel like Steven's been trying to drop weight and get smaller.

00:02:16.000 And it helps with his weight cut, I'm sure.

00:02:18.000 Yeah, I think it helps with his weight cut.

00:02:19.000 But I think with him, it's also like a mental thing too.

00:02:22.000 He wants to break guys.

00:02:23.000 He's such an aggressive guy.

00:02:25.000 That's a big part of his training is just being able to have those extra gallons in the gas tank.

00:02:32.000 Absolutely.

00:02:33.000 I mean, I think that's what's kind of hard.

00:02:35.000 It's hard for me to run because of my mind so crazy, though, too.

00:02:38.000 I'm all over the place.

00:02:39.000 I'd rather hit mitts and be aggressive. 0.98

00:02:41.000 I'm too aggressive of a person, I guess. 1.00

00:02:43.000 Well, we were talking before the podcast about our friend Cam Haynes who just ran 200 miles, and we were like, that shit is not good for you. 1.00

00:02:50.000 No way. 1.00

00:02:51.000 No way.

00:02:51.000 Your body's not supposed to do that.

00:02:53.000 It might be good for his brain, though, because he's so fucking crazy. 0.99

00:02:57.000 He needs to know that he can do something like that. 0.99

00:02:59.000 He ran for 78 hours.

00:03:00.000 That's why I want to hunt with him.

00:03:02.000 Because I just know, it's like my dad.

00:03:04.000 When I grew up hunting, we'll go hike 100 miles in a week to go out the backcountry and have a backpack and sleep out in the middle of the woods.

00:03:11.000 I just feel like that's how Cameron Haynes would do it, you know, just as hard as possible just to do it.

00:03:16.000 Yeah, my friend Adam Greentree from Australia came over, flew over to America last week, went to Montana, and then hiked...

00:03:26.000 Some crazy amount of miles into the mountains, camped out, went in deeper and deeper because he kept encountering wolves and grizzly bears, camped out there, shot an elk, and for the last four days has been packing out this elk by himself.

00:03:42.000 Wow.

00:03:43.000 Four days.

00:03:44.000 So if you've never shot an elk or you've ever seen an elk before, folks, an elk could weigh, you know, somewhere around 800 pounds, which is probably around 400 pounds of meat that he's packing out.

00:03:55.000 So four days of 100 pounds on his back...

00:03:59.000 When you're hiking, you can't carry it all out.

00:04:01.000 You've got to quarter it out.

00:04:02.000 So not only say you hike five miles with something on your back, you've got to go back and get the rest of the elk to hike that five miles again.

00:04:07.000 So you're hiking the same trail two, three, four times, depending on how big the elk is when you're quartered out.

00:04:13.000 Yeah, and I'm pretty sure he said he hiked 12 hours.

00:04:16.000 So that could easily be who knows how many miles.

00:04:20.000 At high altitude, I'd imagine.

00:04:21.000 Oh, that's right.

00:04:22.000 Another piece of the puzzle.

00:04:23.000 So he's got 100 pounds on his back for 10 hours, 12 hours a day, for four days in a row.

00:04:30.000 That's ninja.

00:04:31.000 That's a workout.

00:04:32.000 I feel like there's nothing better than that.

00:04:34.000 It's so primal, hunting with a bow out in the middle of nowhere, especially by yourself.

00:04:37.000 That's crazy.

00:04:38.000 Well, also, you could get him on Instagram, Adam Green Tree Bowhunter on Instagram.

00:04:43.000 He documented it all.

00:04:45.000 You know with the Instagram stories?

00:04:47.000 So he was there.

00:04:48.000 There he is.

00:04:49.000 And a dude met him up there, a friend of his, hiked through the night to come and meet him up there and help him, I think, on the third or fourth day.

00:04:58.000 But he's got all these videos of him up there in the mountains.

00:05:02.000 That's an awesome picture.

00:05:03.000 Wow.

00:05:03.000 Yeah, it's just so cool because, I mean, he's just out there surviving.

00:05:07.000 Look at this.

00:05:08.000 We're looking right now for folks at home listening.

00:05:10.000 We're looking at this tent that's covered in snow.

00:05:14.000 The ground's covered in snow.

00:05:15.000 And this is where he's been living for the past week.

00:05:18.000 I mean, that is the high country.

00:05:21.000 Because when you're on public land, most countries don't have the same sort of public land setup that we have in the United States where you can just go hike into the mountains and camp out in these national forests.

00:05:33.000 And so he took advantage of all that, and he's up there.

00:05:36.000 Oh, where's he from?

00:05:38.000 Australia.

00:05:38.000 Oh, okay, okay.

00:05:39.000 That's right.

00:05:40.000 Yeah, all you have to do is come to Montana.

00:05:41.000 You buy a tag.

00:05:42.000 I think a tag for an elk is $1,000.

00:05:45.000 And, you know, he's up there with a pistol because there's bears up there.

00:05:48.000 So his kill sight, a bear came in on his kill sight when he came back.

00:05:53.000 There was a grizzly there, and there's a lot of grizzlies in Montana.

00:05:56.000 Yeah.

00:05:57.000 Mendez was just up in Alaska and got an awesome moose.

00:06:00.000 And his story is pretty cool, too.

00:06:02.000 He got a real big moose and then over the night in camp, a grizzly bear came in and tried to take his moose off and took a big chunk out of its neck.

00:06:09.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:06:09.000 Yeah, so his whole story of what he's got going up there is pretty cool.

00:06:13.000 He went on an awesome hunting show.

00:06:14.000 Wow, look at that thing. 0.84

00:06:15.000 Good Lord!

00:06:16.000 Yeah.

00:06:17.000 We're looking at Chad Mendez's.

00:06:19.000 It says a 63 inch do-it-yourself Alaska moose hunt is now live on his YouTube channel.

00:06:25.000 63 inches is the width of the horns, which is just insane.

00:06:29.000 That is an enormous animal.

00:06:31.000 So if an elk is 800 pounds, that's probably like 1,500, 1,600 pounds.

00:06:37.000 That's an enormous animal.

00:06:40.000 He's doing guided hunts, right?

00:06:42.000 Yeah, he guides people.

00:06:44.000 That's awesome.

00:06:45.000 That's his passion.

00:06:45.000 Yeah, that's what he wants to transition to after he's done fighting.

00:06:48.000 He should.

00:06:48.000 I mean, that's where his passion's at, and he's obviously extremely good at it, so no reason not to.

00:06:52.000 That's cool.

00:06:53.000 Well, here's a question.

00:06:54.000 He got popped for some supplement thing.

00:06:57.000 And a lot of people are getting popped for tainted supplements.

00:07:00.000 If you buy things in the store, there's a lot of supplements that you get at any nutrition store that have all these...

00:07:09.000 If they're not steroids, they're peptides, they're all these things that sort of make your body produce more hormones that are illegal by USADA. And he got caught for that stuff, apparently.

00:07:19.000 Is that what he got caught for?

00:07:20.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:07:21.000 But they proved it, that it was a supplement.

00:07:22.000 Oh, really?

00:07:23.000 Yeah.

00:07:23.000 Oh, cool.

00:07:24.000 I haven't really asked him too much about it.

00:07:25.000 It's a bummer.

00:07:26.000 Yeah.

00:07:27.000 That's good.

00:07:27.000 At this level, you have to be mindful of what you're taking into the body, especially with the new guidelines, so it's just part of following the rules.

00:07:34.000 You can't go in the cage and eye poke somebody and be like, oh, I didn't know.

00:07:36.000 Now there's so much going on with supplements.

00:07:37.000 Now you have to make sure you put it in the research and the investigation.

00:07:40.000 Speaking of eye poking, did you see that picture of Travis Brown's finger knuckle deep into Fabrizio Verdum's eyeball?

00:07:47.000 He didn't even say anything in the fight, right?

00:07:49.000 Did Verdum...

00:07:50.000 I don't remember seeing Verdum call home or anything on that.

00:07:53.000 I don't remember.

00:07:55.000 I did see that jump sidekick in the beginning at the end on his trainer.

00:08:00.000 That was a cool fight.

00:08:03.000 Well, it was a bummer to me to see Travis fight like that because I remember Travis earlier in his career was just a look at that picture.

00:08:11.000 That is creepy. 0.98

00:08:12.000 Fucking insane. 0.99

00:08:13.000 It's creepy. 0.98

00:08:14.000 Esther Lynn from All Elbows on Instagram put this picture up.

00:08:19.000 And she's an MMA photographer.

00:08:21.000 She takes awesome pictures.

00:08:23.000 That's an awesome picture.

00:08:24.000 And this is insane.

00:08:25.000 I mean, it is literally knuckled deep in his eyeball.

00:08:28.000 It's hard to look at, man.

00:08:31.000 His second knuckle, though, too, right?

00:08:33.000 His middle knuckle.

00:08:34.000 It's like his finger has disappeared in the eyeball.

00:08:37.000 I don't remember him stopping or saying eye poke or anything.

00:08:40.000 I don't remember either.

00:08:41.000 It was focused.

00:08:41.000 But there was a bad one earlier in the night with Jimmy Rivera and Uriah.

00:08:46.000 Yeah.

00:08:46.000 That was a bad one.

00:08:48.000 And Jimmy Rivera, after the fight, said he couldn't see.

00:08:50.000 He said he still couldn't see.

00:08:52.000 He said he couldn't tell what color things were out of his right eye.

00:08:56.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:08:56.000 Fucking eye pokes, man. 1.00

00:08:58.000 Pride gloves, huh? 1.00

00:08:59.000 You've got to redesign the gloves.

00:09:00.000 A little bit of a curvature in there and that open all the way.

00:09:02.000 Sorry.

00:09:02.000 No, I think you're right.

00:09:04.000 Most of the time, this is what I do.

00:09:06.000 Obsessed about martial arts making things better.

00:09:08.000 Someone's got to do something because the way things are going We're just so many guys are getting eye gouged so many guys getting damaged eyeballs It's just it's not worth it man, and it seems like we're waiting for something terrible to happen You know like look at Michael Bisping.

00:09:21.000 Yeah.

00:09:22.000 I don't know if Bisping's came from a kick though.

00:09:24.000 I feel like it might have come from Vitor's kick Was it that or was it in practice?

00:09:29.000 I don't know.

00:09:30.000 Do you think it was in practice?

00:09:31.000 I think he detached his retina a couple times, so I think that's why it is the way it is now.

00:09:36.000 I think he's heard it multiple times, and it was kind of where...

00:09:39.000 Because it's not completely fixed.

00:09:40.000 I think they fixed it enough to where he can fight, and then when he's done fighting, they'll probably fix his eye completely is what it seems like.

00:09:44.000 Well, what they did is they stuck oil in his eye.

00:09:47.000 I don't understand it, but one of his eyeballs apparently has oil in it that's protecting the retina, so that's why one of his eyeballs is black.

00:09:57.000 Oh, yeah.

00:09:58.000 I was wondering what was going on with his eyes.

00:10:00.000 That's why.

00:10:00.000 Yeah, one is black and one is his original eye color, which I'm not sure what it is, but it's very strange looking.

00:10:05.000 But it's just, he's a fucking savage. 0.99

00:10:08.000 I mean, he didn't even consider retiring. 1.00

00:10:10.000 He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, stick some oil in there.

00:10:11.000 Let's get going.

00:10:12.000 Whatever I can do, put an eye patch on.

00:10:13.000 Let's do this.

00:10:14.000 Gotta get back to the gym, mate.

00:10:17.000 He does push it.

00:10:18.000 That guy comes to fight each and every time. 1.00

00:10:20.000 He's a fucking animal. 1.00

00:10:21.000 Yes, sir. 1.00

00:10:21.000 Michael Bisping is the middleweight champion of the world. 1.00

00:10:24.000 And who saw that coming?

00:10:25.000 He did.

00:10:26.000 I've seen that opening in Luke Rockhold's Instagram videos leading up to the fight.

00:10:31.000 I've seen the same thing his trainer saw.

00:10:33.000 Really?

00:10:33.000 Yeah.

00:10:34.000 He was telling me weeks before the fight that...

00:10:37.000 Things he was doing while he's hitting mitts, dropping his right hand all the time with his left cross and kind of leaning back and kind of shoulder rolling and whatnot.

00:10:44.000 And Dwayne called it out a couple weeks before the fight that he saw openings.

00:10:47.000 He didn't say he was going to get knocked out with it, but he saw some openings there.

00:10:50.000 I mean, it's pretty simple.

00:10:52.000 You can see where the openings are on that one for sure.

00:10:54.000 And I remember after Bisping caught him, and his trainer pointed at him, and I'm not quite sure what he said, but he was for sure saying, like, see, I told you, I told you, like, that was it.

00:11:02.000 Jason Perillo was very good.

00:11:04.000 Jason Perillo, yes, yeah.

00:11:05.000 He's a good boxing coach.

00:11:06.000 He understands the game.

00:11:07.000 I got respect for that guy.

00:11:08.000 But it's cool to see something you've trained multiple times come out and actually work, and then win the fight, and then the title fight, whoo!

00:11:16.000 That's nice.

00:11:16.000 That's rewarding.

00:11:17.000 Well, along the lines of what we were talking about today when we were working out, there's so much depth to this sport.

00:11:25.000 There's so many options and there's so many possibilities that to the outsider, people look at it, it looks brutal.

00:11:31.000 You see that eye poke and you're like, oh my god, this sport should be illegal.

00:11:34.000 But to a person who really understands and watches it and appreciates it, it's like this crazy language. 0.95

00:11:42.000 That you have to learn with all these different words and all these different ways of putting together sentences and I like to use a language analogy because Like if you're talking to someone and they only know a few words and they want to yell at you But you're like some Sam Harris type dude who can just has an incredible language and you're just so eloquent You spin them up like a web and they don't really don't know what the fuck to say.

00:12:04.000 Yeah And that also happens in a fight when a guy has a very simple like real obvious game He does a couple of things and he does it well as long as you engage him in that same sort of simple obvious way He's got a chance, but when you over flood him like Dwayne this Dwayne was showing me this Switch series that he works on,

00:12:25.000 which is really amazing.

00:12:26.000 Really, really interesting stuff.

00:12:28.000 Thank you, sir.

00:12:28.000 But one of the things I noticed is while you were demonstrated to me, because it's so unusual, it forced my brain to hiccup for a second and go, oh, okay.

00:12:37.000 And if that happens in a fight, you're fucksville, right? 0.92

00:12:40.000 Oh, yeah. 0.92

00:12:40.000 100%. 0.92

00:12:41.000 Those little hiccups, right?

00:12:43.000 Those little moments where your brain is overloaded because it's got to think instead of just react because you're doing something unique.

00:12:48.000 If you're thinking inside the octagon, you're going to get caught, you're going to be in trouble.

00:12:52.000 You need to have a completely clear mind and just kind of react to things.

00:12:55.000 And for me, it's just been kind of having fun out there.

00:12:58.000 You know, the more fun I have and the more loose I stay, the better I'm going to fight.

00:13:01.000 If I go in there with a game plan and thinking what I want to throw and what to watch out for, what he's good at, what he's not good at, then I'm going to be a little bit slower, you know?

00:13:09.000 We were talking about your fight with Dominic Cruz that you seemed so emotional. 0.88

00:13:13.000 You wanted to kill that dude. 0.94

00:13:14.000 I did. 1.00

00:13:15.000 I definitely wanted to kill him. 1.00

00:13:19.000 It was obvious. 1.00

00:13:21.000 You were headhunting.

00:13:23.000 One of the things that I really enjoyed about your first and your second fight with Hen and Burrell...

00:13:28.000 But your first fight with Hen and Barat was like, here you are, fighting for the title, and you look like you're in a sparring session.

00:13:34.000 Yeah.

00:13:34.000 You were just so loose, like right away.

00:13:37.000 There's nothing under tension to what you were doing.

00:13:39.000 Everything was like flowing.

00:13:41.000 And I was like, look how well he's responding to the pressure.

00:13:44.000 You were having a great time out there.

00:13:46.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:13:47.000 Not thinking about it.

00:13:48.000 Like you said with the Cruz thing, I wanted to finish him.

00:13:50.000 I wanted to go out there and put a point on it.

00:13:53.000 Things you learn from.

00:13:54.000 Those are the small mistakes you learn from and you change them up next time and you come out there a little more level-headed and play his game.

00:14:01.000 Kind of like you were saying, he's a point fighter.

00:14:04.000 If you go out there and let him point fight you, then that's what he's going to do.

00:14:08.000 So you've got to be able to react to how he fights and change it up a little bit and that's why each training camp is a little bit different and you learn those things. 0.99

00:14:15.000 When you go and watch a fight after it's over, do you see openings and you're like, shit! 0.99

00:14:21.000 That's called regret. 0.99

00:14:24.000 I still have this, but sorry.

00:14:26.000 Yeah, 100%.

00:14:27.000 You'll see it and I'll start sweating because I'm getting mad that I didn't do something correctly.

00:14:32.000 You know, like in the...

00:14:33.000 Into the first round, I was watching the fight against Cruz and I had a double leg locked up so deep and I just didn't finish it and that could have changed the entire fight.

00:14:40.000 Just one takedown in the first round.

00:14:42.000 I was all the way deep, hands under his butt perfectly.

00:14:44.000 I just didn't pinch my elbows to finish it.

00:14:46.000 So I went to lift him and he slid right through my arms.

00:14:49.000 One difference I had to make was pinching my elbows in and, you know, it changes it.

00:14:53.000 It's just one of those things in the moment, isn't it?

00:14:55.000 It's fascinating how you have to train perfectly and then you have to just let everything go automatic.

00:15:02.000 Yeah, that's exactly it.

00:15:04.000 You hit the nail on the head is to train everything perfectly.

00:15:08.000 Now it comes down to quality reps.

00:15:10.000 But then, what's a quality rep?

00:15:12.000 Hitting and not getting hit, or getting the takedown, not getting taken down, things like that, right?

00:15:15.000 So now it comes to the point of adapting to the athlete and the scenario.

00:15:21.000 What's correct, again, is making sure you have high success with that technique, whatever that technique may be.

00:15:26.000 So just putting in the time of the reps until it comes out fluidly and there's no longer a thought but an instant reaction.

00:15:32.000 Well and also having the right coaches too that can give you that information and can give you that high level technique because there's so many people out there that are talented people but you see their game just doesn't evolve.

00:15:44.000 It just hits this level and it's sort of like the level that their coaches are capable of taking them to and then they don't go any further.

00:15:52.000 You have to believe and trust in that coach to be able to take you to that level.

00:15:55.000 Someone can be telling you the exact thing you need to do, but if you don't trust and believe that guy, if he doesn't get it through your head the right ways, then it's not going to make sense.

00:16:02.000 You're not going to do it because you don't believe in it.

00:16:06.000 Well, I think it's amazing what's going on right now with MMA, that people who are casual people, like, perfect example, the other day I was at my daughter's school, and one of the dads came up to me, and this dude was just a new fan.

00:16:20.000 He'd only been watching MMA for the past year.

00:16:23.000 And he was just rapid-firing questions at me, and he was obsessed with it.

00:16:28.000 He's like, I was never into martial arts when I was a kid.

00:16:30.000 I watched a little bit of boxing.

00:16:32.000 And he's like, but man, the UFC has just got me hooked.

00:16:34.000 And he's like, one of the things that I love about it is how many different ways a fight can end.

00:16:39.000 He's like, it's so crazy.

00:16:41.000 You'll watch a fight, and then all of a sudden, the guy's getting choked.

00:16:44.000 It's like, what happened?

00:16:45.000 Yeah.

00:16:45.000 And we were going over this, about it, and this guy was a real smart guy.

00:16:50.000 I think he was a hedge fund manager or something like that.

00:16:52.000 But he was obsessed with all the possibilities.

00:16:55.000 You know, and I think casual fans are starting to understand now that this is a very intellectual pursuit.

00:17:02.000 If you don't have a strong mind, and if you don't have this full range of options and possibilities inside the octagon, you're most likely limiting yourself.

00:17:11.000 Agreed.

00:17:12.000 Agreed.

00:17:12.000 I see that.

00:17:13.000 Yeah, possibilities are nice.

00:17:15.000 Way to change things up.

00:17:16.000 And again, like we said earlier, confuse the brain, get them thinking about something else, and then you do something else.

00:17:20.000 So it's always nice.

00:17:21.000 But I think right now we're seeing, like, there's a pack, right?

00:17:25.000 There's like this standard pack of athletes that are doing things in a certain way.

00:17:30.000 And then there's a few that are moving away from the pack.

00:17:34.000 And they're expanding the potential of MMA. I think you're one of those people.

00:17:38.000 I appreciate it.

00:17:39.000 And I think you for sure are one of those coaches and there's a few guys out there I know you don't like to hear but Dominic Cruz is one of them.

00:17:46.000 He's also doing it We were talking about him today that like his style is so fucking odd You know, he's technically not sound actually, but you know, but he uses it the right ways.

00:17:56.000 He's got awesome timing Yeah, he's got great cardio.

00:17:58.000 He's got a great chin Yeah, and then he can get away with the the bad things he does because he does them for the right way for himself Yeah, I don't necessarily think you can say it's technically bad because he's so fucking successful and he knows how to do it.

00:18:11.000 I just think it's not standard.

00:18:14.000 We were using Ramon Deckers as an example.

00:18:17.000 He does not throw kicks and punches like Ramon Deckers.

00:18:21.000 Right.

00:18:38.000 Indeed.

00:18:38.000 He's tricky.

00:18:39.000 He's trickier than I expected, for sure.

00:18:41.000 But a piece of that, again, game planning is the talks up to the fight to get them emotionally invested, and then it becomes a bit trickier to find the head.

00:18:49.000 Right.

00:18:49.000 If that's the goal.

00:18:50.000 When you were leading up to the fight, he was talking so much shit, and you could tell that you were getting so upset. 0.88

00:18:56.000 But that is a big factor in fights, right? 0.99

00:18:58.000 Because fights are so emotional.

00:19:00.000 Because it's one of the only sports in the world where your health is on the line, like literally.

00:19:06.000 It's not like you might get in a car accident when you're racing cars.

00:19:09.000 That's a possibility. 0.96

00:19:11.000 But the goal of MMA is for you to fuck up someone's body. 0.99

00:19:16.000 Absolutely, man. 0.97

00:19:17.000 The thing with him, too, that pisses you off so much is that he'll attack anything and just talk about something that doesn't even make sense just to talk and talk louder and faster and not give you a chance to talk.

00:19:27.000 It's like high school girls just bickering at each other. 1.00

00:19:31.000 I think that's what pisses you off the most, you know, because he's not even actually making a great point.

00:19:34.000 He's just making it and making it louder.

00:19:36.000 Well, he's very articulate.

00:19:38.000 Yeah.

00:19:38.000 He's a good analyst because of that.

00:19:40.000 He's good.

00:19:40.000 He does good at that.

00:19:41.000 Agreed.

00:19:42.000 Another technique.

00:19:43.000 If you get a chance to fight him again for the title...

00:19:45.000 Yeah, I better.

00:19:45.000 Which, you're in line, right?

00:19:48.000 Obviously.

00:19:48.000 Well, you lost a very close decision to him, and then you beat Rafael and Sun Tzu, which, in my opinion, was, we were talking about this today, was an excellent example of how far you progressed, because you guys had a really tough fight the first time you fought.

00:20:00.000 It was a close fight.

00:20:01.000 This fight was not close.

00:20:02.000 You just ran away from him.

00:20:04.000 I mean, ran away with the fight, rather.

00:20:06.000 Not ran away from him, but ran, I mean, you were just, it was a clear victory.

00:20:10.000 You were so much more technical.

00:20:12.000 There were so many more options you were presenting to him.

00:20:14.000 He was basically the same fighter that he was back then.

00:20:17.000 Maybe slightly better, but you're a way better fighter.

00:20:20.000 I appreciate it, man.

00:20:21.000 We've worked hard.

00:20:22.000 We've worked long hours, worked really hard.

00:20:25.000 You know, it's crazy how, like you said, this sport works out how quick things can change.

00:20:28.000 You know, I mean, I could be on an 11-fight win streak right now and a split decision loss to Rafael Sinsal.

00:20:34.000 You know, I thought I won that fight.

00:20:36.000 A very close fight with Dominick Cruz that I felt I won as well.

00:20:39.000 Those two fights go my way.

00:20:40.000 I'm on an 11-fight win streak, still have the belt, you know, known as hopefully one of the greatest pound-for-pound fighters in the world, you know.

00:20:46.000 Well, you still are, for sure.

00:20:48.000 What's interesting right now, too, is this new rule set that's going to go into place in January, you know, where they've changed this whole thing about downed fighters, like being able to attack a down fighter.

00:21:01.000 You have to have four points down now.

00:21:03.000 I like it.

00:21:04.000 Yeah, if you put a hand down on the ground and someone kicks you, that's totally legit now, which I think is a long time coming.

00:21:12.000 I'm a little bummed out they didn't get rid of the 12-6 elbow.

00:21:15.000 But, you know, whatever. 0.77

00:21:17.000 Which is one of the most ridiculous rules, because that's really not going to hurt you any more than me putting a shin across your face. 0.97

00:21:22.000 Yeah, it's crazy. 0.99

00:21:24.000 Or getting a knee in the face and crushing your skull.

00:21:26.000 That stuff happens all the time, and now you're going to take away an elbow that you can't even really generate that much force with.

00:21:31.000 Well, it's not more force.

00:21:32.000 I mean, I think there's way more force in the elbow that comes down the side, because it's more like a punch.

00:21:37.000 Because you get your whole shoulder torques into it.

00:21:40.000 Your shoulder dropping down is a weird movement.

00:21:42.000 I mean, I guess there's some guys like Anderson Silva or, you know, Yatzen Klai or some badass TIE fighters that can generate ridiculous power with that, but I don't think it's any more than any other kind of elbow.

00:21:53.000 No, absolutely not.

00:21:53.000 No way.

00:21:54.000 It's just some of the rules, I think, are a little bit archaic.

00:21:57.000 I think we all agree, though, that the gloves...

00:22:00.000 Yes, sir.

00:22:01.000 ...is probably, like, if there's going to be, like, one thing that needs to be changed, I mean, it would be really nice if we could all get together and figure out a way to make it so there's less eye pokes.

00:22:09.000 Well, here's three experts in the field right now, and we're all saying...

00:22:12.000 Pride style gloves would be an example, or like the Shido gloves, but anything that doesn't allow the hand to fully open. 0.99

00:22:19.000 Fuck, they own Pride! 1.00

00:22:20.000 Just use those goddamn gloves, you know? 1.00

00:22:22.000 Those are the sweetest gloves, too. 1.00

00:22:23.000 I love the Pride gloves.

00:22:24.000 I collect all kinds of fight memorabilia.

00:22:26.000 Yeah.

00:22:27.000 I'm all over the place.

00:22:27.000 No, they're dope, man.

00:22:28.000 By the way, show everybody your wallet.

00:22:30.000 Oh yeah, nice.

00:22:32.000 I'm a boxing coach, Trevor Whitman, who's by far the most tentacle martial artist I've ever come across.

00:22:37.000 He took an old fight glove and made me a wallet out of a fight glove.

00:22:42.000 Have you seen that yet?

00:22:44.000 Yeah, I saw it on Instagram.

00:22:45.000 That is so dope.

00:22:46.000 It's soft.

00:22:47.000 It's nice.

00:22:47.000 He makes all my punch mints, my tie pads, my belly shield, my leg kick pads, my kick shield.

00:22:53.000 I'm super impressed.

00:22:54.000 I was always impressed with Trevor as a coach.

00:22:56.000 Let me get a picture of that.

00:22:58.000 He's just a ninja.

00:22:59.000 I mean, I take that same skill set and put that into martial arts or to developing technique or drills.

00:23:05.000 It's the same things.

00:23:06.000 You can put that same information to running a successful business or whatever it is.

00:23:10.000 He's just a detailed guy.

00:23:12.000 Yeah.

00:23:13.000 It's just fun to see someone do something that cool.

00:23:17.000 Heck yeah.

00:23:17.000 That's unique, huh?

00:23:19.000 So, you guys are in Colorado now.

00:23:21.000 You moved to Colorado full-time.

00:23:23.000 You know, how much different is it living there?

00:23:25.000 And what is it like now?

00:23:26.000 Also, you're training at altitude all the time.

00:23:29.000 That actually made a huge difference.

00:23:30.000 I didn't even take into account when I first went out there.

00:23:32.000 When I was cross-training, I was going back and forth from my camps, going from Sacramento to Colorado.

00:23:38.000 Going back out there was so tough.

00:23:40.000 Some people get affected by the altitude differently.

00:23:42.000 Joseph Benavidez doesn't get affected by it at all.

00:23:45.000 Mexicans!

00:23:46.000 He never gets tired, man. 0.88

00:23:47.000 Mexicans don't get tired. 0.99

00:23:49.000 It's a racist thing to say in a positive way. 1.00

00:23:52.000 I'm telling you, Mexicans have fucking incredible gas tanks. 1.00

00:23:56.000 Joseph will come up. 1.00

00:23:57.000 He'll be gone in Vegas.

00:23:58.000 He'll come out and he'll train exactly the same.

00:24:00.000 For me, when I go to altitude, it messes with me big time.

00:24:03.000 But I feel like I get the effects from it.

00:24:05.000 Long term when I'm done with the camp.

00:24:07.000 I've felt big differences when I train at altitude when I'm done with my camp.

00:24:12.000 After I've been out there for six weeks and I'm in a camp, and you come back down to sea level, when we first start hitting mids at wherever we go, it just feels awesome.

00:24:19.000 Yeah, sea level, you feel like a Superman, right?

00:24:21.000 Yeah, it's crazy how much of a difference it makes.

00:24:22.000 Have you ever tried one of those altitude tents, those things that people sleep in?

00:24:26.000 I have tried it.

00:24:27.000 It's so hard to sleep in it.

00:24:28.000 Is it?

00:24:29.000 Yeah, it gets hot in there, and then your body doesn't recover as well.

00:24:33.000 If you're sleeping at really high altitude, anything higher than where we're at, if you're sleeping at a real high altitude, it's hard for your body to actually recover overnight when you're actually supposed to recover.

00:24:41.000 You're supposed to have your testosterone built up when you're sleeping and oxygen get into your muscles and recover over the night.

00:24:47.000 And if you're sleeping at high altitude, it's really hard to do that.

00:24:50.000 You wake up more sore, you wake up more tired, and it's hard to recover.

00:24:52.000 Interesting.

00:24:53.000 So what I had heard was that the best balance was training at sea level, but sleeping and living at altitude.

00:25:01.000 I heard that as well.

00:25:02.000 It seems like it wants to go back and forth all the time.

00:25:04.000 That's what I heard when I was in school.

00:25:06.000 You know, I was a kinesiology major and I was really into the exercise physiology.

00:25:09.000 They said, train low, sleep high.

00:25:10.000 You know, so that your body, when you're sleeping and hanging out, you're rebuilding all these red blood cells, but then your threshold of working out at sea level, you can push it so much harder.

00:25:18.000 So your body's used to going that hard.

00:25:20.000 You know, but you train in lack of oxygen, you can't train as hard.

00:25:24.000 So I mean, that makes sense to me.

00:25:25.000 But then when sleeping in an altitude tent, I feel like you can't recover until you're acclimated.

00:25:30.000 You know, once you're acclimated, you can recover, you know, because you have more red blood cells in your body.

00:25:35.000 But until then...

00:25:36.000 I wonder if anybody does it where you live in San Bernardino and then train up in Big Bear and just keep going back and forth.

00:25:42.000 That was Tito's thing for a while, huh?

00:25:44.000 He lived up there though, right?

00:25:46.000 Yeah, Tito used to live up there for his camps.

00:25:48.000 He was one of the first MMA fighters to incorporate that, you know?

00:25:51.000 No, Boss.

00:25:53.000 Oh, Boss did it. 0.99

00:25:53.000 When Boss did pop for his heavyweight title, he came to Colorado for his camp for his fight against Kevin Randleman. 0.99

00:25:59.000 There was a promoter in town that would hold shows.

00:26:03.000 They were called the Lone Wolf Invitational.

00:26:07.000 Yeah.

00:26:25.000 And he knows the effects of the altitude, and then so he just did his next camp there.

00:26:29.000 I wonder if there's a difference between, like, when, I think, when they're studying how athletes perform while they sleep at a high altitude and train at low altitude, I wonder if there's a difference between the intensity level that MMA requires and the amount of,

00:26:46.000 like, I don't think there's a sport in the world that requires you to train as much as MMA, because there's so many different things you have to work on.

00:26:54.000 Good point.

00:26:54.000 Or as hard.

00:26:55.000 We train with a lot of NFL players with Lauren Landau in Denver.

00:26:59.000 He trains a lot of Denver players and a lot of guys come before they do their combine and come and train with them.

00:27:03.000 And you just kind of realize how much harder your strength conditioning is and how much harder you have to push.

00:27:08.000 And that's just one workout.

00:27:09.000 And then maybe they're going to do some football drills and whatnot.

00:27:12.000 We're going to hit mitts and do some grappling and wrestling.

00:27:15.000 It's a very tough sport to get ready for.

00:27:18.000 I really don't know if there's many that are as hard or harder.

00:27:21.000 That's what makes it fun, huh?

00:27:22.000 What definitely makes it fun to watch.

00:27:24.000 You know, it's really kind of crazy when you think about like the 10-minute rounds that Pride had and how difficult five-minute rounds are.

00:27:30.000 Well, you definitely need it if you're a grappler. 0.92

00:27:32.000 I mean, who the fuck's going to beat Damien Maia if every round's 10 minutes? 0.96

00:27:35.000 Yeah, good point. 0.98

00:27:35.000 Yeah, you're going to be worn out. 0.98

00:27:37.000 That guy's a backpack man.

00:27:40.000 He's so on another level right now.

00:27:42.000 That's one of those guys that's so good at one thing, but he's incredible at it that he can get away with it.

00:27:48.000 Most guys can't get away with just being good at one individual aspect of MMA, but he's one of those guys.

00:27:53.000 He's just so dominant at jiu-jitsu that he can get away with it.

00:27:55.000 See, that's the theory, too, or the concept, is he's really good at the rear naked choke.

00:28:00.000 Well, a few submissions, obviously, right?

00:28:02.000 But let's say you're just ninja at the rear naked choke. 0.99

00:28:05.000 Now, that's your one technique.

00:28:06.000 Now, everyone's aware of that.

00:28:08.000 So all you have to do is just have different entries for that rear naked choke, right? 0.85

00:28:11.000 So different entries, and then obviously you finish the submission.

00:28:13.000 But as far as the striking concept, the same techniques or combination, just different entries and different exits.

00:28:18.000 Again, that same technique itself.

00:28:20.000 Yeah, there are a few guys who have just really excelled at one particular technique to the point where it gets ridiculous.

00:28:28.000 Like, remember Cody McKenzie?

00:28:29.000 He was catching everybody with that McKenzatine, do you recall it? 0.98

00:28:32.000 The backwards guillotine thing. 0.97

00:28:33.000 He came and showed it at Alpha Male.

00:28:34.000 That thing is crazy.

00:28:35.000 But you have to be built for it, though.

00:28:36.000 He's perfectly built for it.

00:28:38.000 His arms are long, you know?

00:28:39.000 Skinny, yeah.

00:28:40.000 Well, then there was Paul Sass. 0.99

00:28:41.000 Remember Paul Sass won like fucking 12 fights in a row by triangle? 0.97

00:28:45.000 And everybody knew it was coming. 0.99

00:28:46.000 He couldn't do shit about it. 0.96

00:28:48.000 But you can use that to your advantage, though, as well. 0.94

00:28:51.000 So I was helping Matt Brown train for Maia.

00:28:53.000 And I didn't like how he was approaching the fight that he was so worried about what he was going to do.

00:28:58.000 He's like, he's going to do these takedowns.

00:29:00.000 He's going to take your back.

00:29:01.000 He's going to do this.

00:29:02.000 He was so entrenched in what Damian Maia was going to do to him in the fight rather than worrying about what he should do.

00:29:08.000 What aspects he should take to the fight to stay away from his game instead of really what he's going to do.

00:29:12.000 So, you know, you can use that to your advantage if you're a fighter that's so strong at one thing.

00:29:16.000 Confuse someone and get them so worried about what you're going to do that they're actually thinking inside the fight rather than reacting and just doing what they're good at already.

00:29:23.000 Because if Matt would have fought, I feel like the way he should have in that fight, he could have picked Damian Maia apart.

00:29:29.000 Maybe. 1.00

00:29:30.000 Or maybe he would have got fucking grapple fucked again. 1.00

00:29:33.000 Maybe later on. 1.00

00:29:34.000 That's my hope and thought at least.

00:29:36.000 Well, I'm a big Matt Brown fan, but I'm a big Damian Maia fan as well.

00:29:40.000 For me, it's weird because I'm a fan of a lot of guys and these guys oftentimes fight each other.

00:29:46.000 You just got to appreciate the event and appreciate the result.

00:29:50.000 Appreciate the sport. 0.99

00:29:51.000 Yeah, but what's one of the cool things about MMA is that there are these outliers, like this one-trick pony, like Damian Maia, but what a fucking trick! 0.70

00:29:59.000 I mean, he can strike, and Damian striking has gotten leaps and bounds better.

00:30:03.000 It's one of the reasons why he's gotten so better at applying his jiu-jitsu, is because he's so much more comfortable with his stand-up, his distance is very good now, he understands striking really well now, but...

00:30:14.000 That jujitsu is just so next level.

00:30:17.000 He's making it happen.

00:30:18.000 When he runs through a guy like Carlos Condit like that.

00:30:20.000 Or out grapplers Gunnar Nelson that easy, you know?

00:30:24.000 Mawled him!

00:30:25.000 Just mauled him.

00:30:26.000 Like you said, another level, for sure. 0.99

00:30:28.000 And also, goes to show you how fucking good Jake Shields is. 0.99

00:30:31.000 Oh, you're right. 0.99

00:30:32.000 Good call.

00:30:33.000 People sleep on Jake Shields.

00:30:34.000 Jake Shields beat him in essentially a grappling match.

00:30:37.000 You know, and a lot of people forget, you know, Jake Shields was always a guy who kind of struggled with the stand-up because he wasn't like an explosive guy.

00:30:44.000 He was just sort of like competent with the stand-up.

00:30:47.000 Yeah, awkward. 0.99

00:30:48.000 But again, he beat Tyron Woodley, the fucking welterweight champion of the world. 0.98

00:30:51.000 Beat him in essentially a stand-up fight. 0.98

00:30:53.000 So did Nate Marquardt.

00:30:55.000 Shields is smart with his grappling.

00:30:56.000 He's come out to Muscle Farm, worked out with us, and showed some technique.

00:30:59.000 And his top game is just so tough. 0.95

00:31:00.000 Ridiculous. 0.94

00:31:01.000 He doesn't even have to use any strength. 0.97

00:31:02.000 It's just all about his positioning and the way he's on you.

00:31:05.000 It's so tough.

00:31:06.000 I mean, it's a chess match for sure.

00:31:08.000 Yeah, he gets slept on.

00:31:10.000 He's fighting Fitch now.

00:31:12.000 They're gonna fight in the World Series of Fighting.

00:31:13.000 That's a very good fight.

00:31:14.000 Very, very interesting fight.

00:31:16.000 That's interesting.

00:31:16.000 We have both ways.

00:31:17.000 I was wondering about Fitch.

00:31:18.000 It's good to see him back in there.

00:31:19.000 He hasn't fought for a while, right?

00:31:21.000 I don't know when the last time.

00:31:23.000 He tested positive after he fought Paul Harris.

00:31:25.000 Oh, did he?

00:31:26.000 Yeah.

00:31:26.000 I thought his knee got hurt.

00:31:27.000 A little bit of that, too.

00:31:28.000 Yeah.

00:31:29.000 He tested positive for elevated testosterone.

00:31:32.000 Oh, wow.

00:31:33.000 Yeah, you can have that.

00:31:33.000 You gotta follow the rules, right?

00:31:34.000 The guidelines.

00:31:35.000 The rules.

00:31:35.000 That's what has to happen.

00:31:36.000 Yeah.

00:31:37.000 Making sure that's good.

00:31:38.000 But back to, like, styles.

00:31:39.000 Yes, sir.

00:31:39.000 It is so interesting that there are so many different styles, and there's so many different people, like Wonderboy, who's a one-trick pony in the other direction.

00:31:48.000 You know, just his fucking striking is just bizarre. 0.97

00:31:51.000 Mm-hmm. 0.99

00:31:52.000 And his style is like really karate-based, almost like a sport karate style.

00:31:56.000 But it just incorporates the movement, and he's operating from a longer distance, and he likes to draw people in and get them extended before he catches them.

00:32:03.000 Dude, he's like a cobra.

00:32:04.000 Yep, exactly.

00:32:05.000 Like his movement, like his back and forth, pivoting off the waist. 0.97

00:32:08.000 He does another thing that fucks with people, is that front leg. 0.99

00:32:12.000 His front leg is so nasty. 0.95

00:32:15.000 When he fought Hendrix, he hit him on a front leg side, To the body, and you could see Hendrix got stuck by it. 0.50

00:32:22.000 It was a hard shot, and he kind of acknowledged it, and then he got roundhouse kicked in the face with the same foot right away.

00:32:29.000 It's like the Zohan.

00:32:30.000 He just puts your stuff up in your face all the time.

00:32:33.000 He just never stops.

00:32:34.000 Oh, that'd be funny.

00:32:36.000 To me, a dream fight is Damian Maia versus Wonderboy.

00:32:40.000 Just complete opposite styles.

00:32:42.000 Yes, that's a dream fight.

00:32:43.000 I want to see what the fight is.

00:32:45.000 I feel like now what we're watching too with Damian Maia is also we're watching this master who's 38. Oh, you're right.

00:32:52.000 Good point.

00:32:53.000 Yeah, he's up there for the competitive ages, but he seems healthy and making it happen.

00:32:58.000 38?

00:32:59.000 That's the old man.

00:33:00.000 I don't want to fight at 38. You don't have to.

00:33:02.000 It's one of those things where you gotta wonder, like, how much more sand is left in that hourglass.

00:33:07.000 Yeah, interesting.

00:33:07.000 Or is it pulled around a couture trick and just fight until he's 50?

00:33:10.000 Yeah, I mean, fuck, Randy almost came out of retirement for Fedor. 0.99

00:33:13.000 Oh, nice. 0.99

00:33:14.000 He was thinking about fighting Fedor.

00:33:15.000 I wouldn't mind seeing that just as an old fight fan.

00:33:17.000 He's a fight nerd, yeah, for sure.

00:33:19.000 You gotta think about Maya, though, too, being 38 and being able to push it that hard still is his style of fighting.

00:33:24.000 Yeah, good call.

00:33:24.000 He's not getting hit very much.

00:33:25.000 He's on your back.

00:33:26.000 His training's probably that way as well.

00:33:28.000 And so he's able to go a little bit longer rather than someone who's going to be in front of you and slug it out.

00:33:32.000 Yeah, good point.

00:33:32.000 He's definitely taking less damage striking-wise over the years.

00:33:35.000 I think they did a stat on him where he got hit 13 times over the last four fights.

00:33:40.000 No way.

00:33:42.000 Yes.

00:33:42.000 And most of them are the Matt Brown fight.

00:33:47.000 It's just fucking crazy how technical he is when it comes to his jiu-jitsu. 0.73

00:33:53.000 That's why you don't play jiu-jitsu, right? 0.99

00:33:54.000 So you gotta punch him in the face while he kicks like Nate Marquardt did.

00:33:57.000 Yeah, well, Nate caught him early in his career, too, though, before he really understood the stand-up game. 0.97

00:34:02.000 Yeah, people sleep on Nate Marquardt, too, man. 0.95

00:34:05.000 You know, people forget how goddamn good Nate, especially in his prime. 0.97

00:34:09.000 Yes, sir. 0.94

00:34:09.000 And you watch that Tyron Woodley fight when you fought him in Strikeforce. 0.94

00:34:12.000 He looked really good then. 0.99

00:34:13.000 That combination that he hit him with was like fucking a video game. 0.99

00:34:17.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:34:17.000 Yep. 0.99

00:34:18.000 He was sharp.

00:34:19.000 That's when he was working with Trevor Whitman.

00:34:20.000 He's back with Trevor as well.

00:34:21.000 Is he?

00:34:22.000 Again, Trevor is by far the most technical, detailed martial artist instructor that I've come across in any field.

00:34:29.000 He really breaks things down.

00:34:31.000 And I hear Shane Carwin's making a comeback.

00:34:33.000 Oh, nice.

00:34:34.000 Really?

00:34:34.000 I heard that as well, yeah.

00:34:36.000 He's a free agent, so he can go wherever he wants.

00:34:39.000 Oh, interesting.

00:34:40.000 I wonder where that's going to go.

00:34:41.000 Interesting.

00:34:42.000 Is he training with Trevor as well?

00:34:43.000 I'm not sure.

00:34:44.000 I don't actually spend too much time with Trevor, but hopefully, if he's smart, he should.

00:34:47.000 He will.

00:34:48.000 I know he's really close with our wrestling coach at Mosley Farm, Leister Bowling, and I've been hearing it from Leister that he's a free agent.

00:34:54.000 Looking about getting back into working out and seeing how his body holds up to see how he's going to push it and what's going to happen.

00:35:01.000 Yeah, he has some pretty significant back injuries, right?

00:35:04.000 It was his neck, right?

00:35:06.000 Back in his neck, I believe.

00:35:08.000 But, you know, you gotta think, that guy played football at a high level for a long time.

00:35:12.000 And all that crashing, big dudes smashing into each other. 0.84

00:35:17.000 Those guys are freaking natures, man.

00:35:19.000 That's so crazy to be able to be that big and that fast. 0.96

00:35:21.000 230 pounds, just run into somebody who's standing there.

00:35:24.000 It's not good for you.

00:35:26.000 Yeah, definitely not good for you.

00:35:27.000 You want to stay healthy, that's for sure.

00:35:28.000 It goes back to keeping those same rules in line when you're training.

00:35:33.000 The goal of the training is to get better, right?

00:35:35.000 Not to hurt each other.

00:35:36.000 So just making sure you're taking care of your partner and using this time to improve and get better.

00:35:41.000 The better I get, the better you get, and so on.

00:35:43.000 Yeah, and if you can get a good camp like that where everybody has their ego in check and you all grow together, that's massive.

00:35:48.000 Good point, yeah.

00:35:49.000 No egos.

00:35:49.000 They're there to learn and get better overall.

00:35:51.000 You know, that's something that I've had to obviously work on too because I'm so competitive and I want to be the best all the time.

00:35:56.000 You know, even in the gym, no matter what, I'm like, I'm pushing like, I want to train harder than you.

00:35:59.000 I want to be better than you.

00:36:00.000 And so that's something that me and doing have had to work with and I've always had to work on it.

00:36:05.000 You know, I just gotta, gotta, you know, stay, stay controlled.

00:36:08.000 Control the fire.

00:36:08.000 Yeah.

00:36:09.000 How do you control yourself when it comes to like the amount of work you do?

00:36:13.000 Do you monitor your heart rate?

00:36:15.000 Do you check, like, do you have any sort of markers that you check to make sure that you're not overtrained?

00:36:19.000 Yeah.

00:36:42.000 It's all just off of feel now, and I kind of lay out my whole camp that way.

00:36:46.000 I know what days I'm going to do three practices, what day I'm going to do one, and just kind of go off of feel.

00:36:51.000 If I need to rest a whole weekend or just rest Sunday, it's all off of just my energy levels and how much I'm willing to do.

00:36:56.000 Do you have a nutritionist that works with you?

00:36:58.000 I do.

00:37:00.000 They're perfecting athletes.

00:37:01.000 I'm actually teaming up with them now, too.

00:37:02.000 We're doing programs for little kids and for wrestlers as well because the wrestling world does not know enough.

00:37:07.000 I mean, they've cut weight for the longest amount of time, but they just do it the wrong ways.

00:37:11.000 But yeah, perfecting athletes has helped me out a lot with my career.

00:37:15.000 They actually have been able to boost my hormones with the way I eat.

00:37:19.000 How so?

00:37:21.000 My nutritionist, Michelle, she used to be a fertility doctor. 1.00

00:37:24.000 She's real holistic.

00:37:25.000 She's into acupuncture and doing all that. 1.00

00:37:28.000 And the foods that they're feeding you are the right things for your endocrine system and boosting your testosterone and making you just a healthier human being.

00:37:35.000 I mean, if you eat and live healthier, your body's going to produce more testosterone and live the right way.

00:37:40.000 And that's what they've done with me.

00:37:42.000 What I've heard is that more fats, like eating more fats, and I've seen it in a lot of different athletes, especially athletes that start following ketogenic diets.

00:37:51.000 It ramps up their hormone production because fats are a precursor for hormones. 0.68

00:37:56.000 So a lot of coconut oil, a lot of avocados, saturated fats from healthy meats, especially like grass-fed meat.

00:38:03.000 I feel like you can't get enough of it.

00:38:05.000 I mean, if you're working out as much as I am during camp or even just working out all the time, like you can't get more.

00:38:09.000 The good fats are one of the best things for you.

00:38:11.000 Yeah, that's the other thing to take into consideration.

00:38:13.000 When people talk about athletes and people talk about people that exercise and are fit and want to follow a healthy diet, there's such a different caloric requirement for someone like you who's training two or three times a day.

00:38:26.000 Yeah, two or three, just to switch it up.

00:38:28.000 Sometimes I'll do one hard one.

00:38:30.000 It just depends where I'm at.

00:38:31.000 But yeah, I'd say on average, three times a day.

00:38:34.000 So your body's just a blast furnace.

00:38:37.000 It's hard for me to hold on to weight.

00:38:39.000 I've got to try as hard as I can to keep my weight up.

00:38:41.000 So when I'm out of season, like right now, I'm trying to lift heavy and stay as big as I can.

00:38:47.000 And then when I get into camp, you know...

00:38:49.000 Change it up.

00:38:50.000 I'm doing a lot of hypertrophy right now.

00:38:51.000 A lot of hypertrophy training.

00:38:53.000 I'll get closer to camp.

00:38:54.000 I'll start doing more strength training.

00:38:55.000 And then when I get in camp, closer to my fight, I'm doing more power training.

00:38:59.000 So when you say hypertrophy, what kind of training?

00:39:02.000 Like deadlifts?

00:39:03.000 What kind of stuff?

00:39:04.000 Yeah, obviously I'll do deadlifts and stuff, but it all depends on the reps you're doing, really, and how much weight you're going to do.

00:39:09.000 So if I want some hypertrophy, I find a weight that's hard for me to do 10 to 12 times.

00:39:13.000 That's what's going to make my muscles build higher reps and start building size.

00:39:17.000 And then when I want to get strength, I'm going to start doing less reps, around six.

00:39:22.000 That's hard to do at six, and then that's when I start building more strength.

00:39:25.000 You know, power is, you know, three quick, hard explosive, you know, deadlifts and cleans and stuff like that.

00:39:31.000 And then, like, big breaks in between sets?

00:39:33.000 Yeah, all depends on the breaks as well, too, yeah.

00:39:36.000 So, when you're getting down to 145, or 135, rather, how difficult is that for you?

00:39:41.000 Like, what are you walking around at?

00:39:43.000 During camp, I walk around like 150. I usually show up five days before my fight at 152. I usually train what I'm going to fight at.

00:39:51.000 So I walk into the cage 150, 153 probably.

00:39:53.000 I'm training like that my whole entire camp.

00:39:56.000 Five days before the fight, I'm weighing 150 and then I just lose it all with water weight.

00:39:59.000 So that's not that much.

00:40:01.000 Not at all.

00:40:01.000 15 pounds.

00:40:02.000 It seems like a lot to people listening probably, but we know guys who are losing 25, 30 pounds.

00:40:08.000 Which I think is too much.

00:40:09.000 I think it's not healthy for your brain.

00:40:10.000 It's too hard to recover hydration on your brain, you know?

00:40:13.000 Have you ever thought that if you didn't do the hypertrophy training and you didn't do all the power training and you just did more aerobic, like you might drop down to 145 naturally and then might be able to cut to 125?

00:40:24.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:40:25.000 Have you thought of that?

00:40:26.000 I could make 25s.

00:40:27.000 I mean, it definitely wouldn't be fun, and I don't really want to have to, but yeah, it's definitely something I could do.

00:40:32.000 I mean, you know, I'm trying hard to...

00:40:34.000 Mighty Mouse needs a super fight.

00:40:36.000 He does, man.

00:40:37.000 And I'm a huge fan of the guy, too.

00:40:39.000 You know, he's so good that I would love to fight him, and I do feel I have a really good style for Mighty Mouse, too.

00:40:45.000 Because I know he's talking about doing a super fight.

00:40:48.000 Yeah.

00:40:48.000 I mean, he's in an interesting position because he's really essentially cleared out his weight class.

00:40:53.000 I mean, he's fighting Wilson Hayes, and Wilson's a very tough fighter.

00:40:57.000 Is he fighting Wilson?

00:40:57.000 No, no.

00:40:58.000 Is he?

00:40:58.000 Yeah.

00:40:58.000 He's going to fight the winner of the show that Benavides was just...

00:41:01.000 Benavides just wrapped up filming a show at the...

00:41:04.000 Yeah.

00:41:05.000 Yeah.

00:41:06.000 I think Dimitri is supposed to fight the winner of the show.

00:41:08.000 I think you're right, but what did I read today?

00:41:11.000 He was supposed to fight Hayes, but he got hurt and pulled out of the fight.

00:41:15.000 And now I think he's supposed to fight the winner of the Ultimate Fighters.

00:41:18.000 No, I think you're right, but I read something today.

00:41:20.000 I forgot about that, but I read something today about him fighting Wilson.

00:41:23.000 So maybe it was just an older article or something like that, or maybe it was confused.

00:41:28.000 Possibly.

00:41:29.000 But my point is, even if he fights the winner of the show, good luck to those guys.

00:41:33.000 Yeah.

00:41:33.000 Good luck.

00:41:34.000 You're fighting a fucking human buzzsaw. 1.00

00:41:36.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:41:36.000 Yeah, he's on another level again. 1.00

00:41:37.000 Endless cardio, plunging from all angles.

00:41:39.000 Yeah, he's good, man.

00:41:40.000 And he's, in my opinion, one of the best examples, or the best example ever, of a guy who has so many possibilities.

00:41:47.000 His language, the language of fighting, his language has the richest vocabulary of any fighter.

00:41:52.000 I mean, the way he fucked Cejudo up in a clinch with those knees to the body...

00:41:57.000 Like, who does it better than that? 0.99

00:42:00.000 I've never seen a guy break a guy down better with knees to the body like that.

00:42:03.000 You'd have to go to Anderson versus Rich Franklin.

00:42:05.000 Oh, nice.

00:42:06.000 Good call.

00:42:06.000 But that was almost like a more brutality-oriented thing.

00:42:10.000 I mean, when Anderson did, it was just grab ahold of you and just ragdoll you.

00:42:16.000 When he was doing it, when Mighty Mouse was doing it, it was crazy to watch.

00:42:21.000 It's like, Jesus Christ, these things are coming.

00:42:23.000 They're landing like that.

00:42:25.000 He's firing them off with no hesitation.

00:42:28.000 There's no wind-up.

00:42:30.000 There's no exertion.

00:42:31.000 Everything seems effortless.

00:42:32.000 And it looks like he could do it all day.

00:42:35.000 He could. 0.99

00:42:36.000 It looks like a real fucking problem when you're in there with him. 0.98

00:42:40.000 I'm assuming, makes sense, is Matt Hume, being his coach, who's obviously the wizard, right? 0.97

00:42:46.000 Very intelligent in the fight world, but with the background of Cejudo missing weight so much, attacking the body, assuming that maybe he had a hard cut and maybe ate too much or drank too much, and attacking the body as far as the game plan.

00:42:57.000 So it's very smart of him.

00:42:58.000 Then also, obviously, he did it with the correct timing and accuracy, so it was good.

00:43:02.000 Cejudo really struggles to get down to 25. That's right here.

00:43:06.000 He looked big on the show.

00:43:07.000 He's a big guy.

00:43:08.000 Yeah.

00:43:09.000 For 25, yeah.

00:43:10.000 Yeah, I find that he may be the exact example we're talking about with TJ. Maybe they were very similar in size, and he just decides to go down there.

00:43:21.000 Ah, good call.

00:43:22.000 Yeah, just doesn't have the correct, maybe not the correct path to actually make it happen if he's actually missing weight that he needs to get.

00:43:27.000 I don't know what his deal is.

00:43:28.000 He doesn't miss it in a long time, but he did a few times back in the past.

00:43:32.000 But he missed a couple of the UFC weights, huh?

00:43:34.000 Yep, and they made him fight at 135. That's right.

00:43:36.000 He fought a fight at 135, and then he showed them that he could make 25 again and did it.

00:43:41.000 Because he's going to be fighting Benavides now, and I'm not sure when that fight is, maybe December, but Benavides is coming out to Colorado in about one week.

00:43:49.000 He just texted me the other day.

00:43:50.000 He actually bought a condo in Colorado, so he's going to be training with us.

00:43:53.000 Nice.

00:43:55.000 Nice.

00:44:20.000 Yeah.

00:44:20.000 Benavidez is also one of those guys that if you saw him in a silhouette, if you couldn't see who he was, if you couldn't see any detail but you saw him move around, you would know it was him.

00:44:28.000 Yeah.

00:44:28.000 Even the way he holds his hand.

00:44:30.000 Yeah.

00:44:30.000 The way he holds his hands, like everything.

00:44:32.000 He's got a very distinct...

00:44:33.000 He's unique.

00:44:34.000 He's one of my favorite people in the world, man.

00:44:36.000 He's awesome.

00:44:36.000 I love that guy.

00:44:37.000 Love that dude.

00:44:37.000 Yeah.

00:44:38.000 He's such a character, man.

00:44:39.000 He is.

00:44:40.000 He really is.

00:44:41.000 Talking about spinning kicks and stuff, he's got them.

00:44:44.000 He's such a good dude.

00:44:45.000 He is really good.

00:44:45.000 What do you got here for notes, dude?

00:44:47.000 Just for me to slow down and make sure I take my time.

00:44:50.000 Yeah, that's my main thing.

00:44:51.000 Slow down and think.

00:44:52.000 I get so wrapped up and I put myself into fight mode when I talk.

00:44:56.000 I just got to make sure I'm being calm.

00:45:06.000 Thank you for having me on.

00:45:19.000 Try to tear anybody's name down, but to help uplift and inspire and help people become better human beings.

00:45:24.000 That's what I feel my message is on this earth, is to help people become better.

00:45:28.000 And my vehicle, my tool is martial arts, so I love it.

00:45:31.000 Whether it's general fitness or training the highest level ninjas to compete for the belt, it's my service back to the world to help make sure we're all together.

00:45:38.000 Well, it's interesting to see you really flourish as a coach, too, because very few fighters have taken to it the way you have, where not only were you a very good fighter, an excellent fighter, but you've surpassed that as a coach.

00:45:52.000 That's really rare.

00:45:53.000 I feel that.

00:45:54.000 I agree with that.

00:45:55.000 I appreciate that.

00:45:57.000 I just put my time and energy and my OCD-ness into developing others.

00:46:01.000 That's literally what it is.

00:46:03.000 I'm obsessed with it.

00:46:04.000 Only one way to be great is to be obsessive and then to have fellow ninjas like TJ and Benavidez to play along with this tool of martial arts to see what the next layer is.

00:46:14.000 I love it.

00:46:15.000 I need this level of dedication and athleticism in order to do that.

00:46:19.000 Because of them, I'm at the level that I'm at.

00:46:21.000 It's a win-win.

00:46:22.000 Every relationship should be.

00:46:24.000 Read the notes.

00:46:24.000 Slow down.

00:46:26.000 Every relationship should be a win-win, not a one-sided path.

00:46:31.000 Not long ago, TJ asked me why I'm always so hyper and excited and loving life.

00:46:36.000 It's because his goals are my goals.

00:46:38.000 One of my dreams is to see him with the belt again.

00:46:41.000 That's something that I obsess of, is to make sure he's wearing the belt, that it's in his proper place.

00:46:45.000 And same thing for Benavidez.

00:46:46.000 I would absolutely love to have Benavidez be wearing the belt.

00:46:50.000 For me, to help others become better brings me a lot of joy, and I love that.

00:46:54.000 Isn't it funny that that passion and that intensity and focus has a negative connotation?

00:46:59.000 People call it OCD. We're weird with our definitions.

00:47:03.000 It works for me.

00:47:05.000 But why is that necessarily negative?

00:47:08.000 It's not, yeah.

00:47:09.000 For me, because I have so many things going on, there's so many other elements throughout the world with my wife, my family, my business, I'm lucky and I'm blessed that everything in my circle, my bubble works with each other well.

00:47:19.000 Because, I mean, I take my kids to go and train, my wife goes and trains. 0.91

00:47:22.000 People ask me this quite a bit.

00:47:24.000 Are you going to have your kids fight?

00:47:26.000 No, I'm not going to have them fight.

00:47:27.000 If they choose to, I will support their path, whatever that is, whatever their passion is, I will support that.

00:47:32.000 But they do have to train because they look at it as a form of insurance.

00:47:35.000 I'm not always going to be around to protect them.

00:47:38.000 I want to make sure that they can handle We're good to go.

00:48:01.000 El Guapo just texted me.

00:48:02.000 Yeah, Sensei!

00:48:03.000 He's here.

00:48:03.000 He's the man.

00:48:04.000 Carter's definitely going to fight.

00:48:05.000 Yeah, little boss. 0.91

00:48:07.000 So I have my daughter, Jade, my little boy, Dwayne Bang Ludwig, and then my third child is Carter Boss Ludwig, but we all refer to him as Boss.

00:48:13.000 Well, little boss.

00:48:15.000 He's the man.

00:48:15.000 So Sensei Ruins is my main...

00:48:19.000 He's the most influential martial artist to make an impact on me.

00:48:22.000 And he's changed my life with what he's done for me, his care and his passion in my martial art journey.

00:48:28.000 And then he's the first guy to take combinations and put them into one coat. 0.99

00:48:32.000 Oh shit! 0.99

00:48:33.000 Ladies and gentlemen, the great Boss Rudin is here! 0.99

00:48:41.000 Boss Rootin, ladies and gentlemen, former UFC heavyweight champion and one of the baddest men that ever lived!

00:48:46.000 I know Carter's gonna fight just because how aggressive he is.

00:48:55.000 I remember like the first time ever going to Dwayne's house and watching his little two-year-old pride stomp his dog.

00:49:01.000 He knows what a pride stomp is. 0.86

00:49:02.000 We have big, huge pit bulls. 1.00

00:49:06.000 One of them was.

00:49:07.000 That's a dangerous move, a two-year-old kid stomping a pit bull.

00:49:10.000 People have the misconception of pit bulls being bad dogs, but they were known in the past as nanny dogs.

00:49:16.000 My kids can actually physically rough up my pit bulls, and they don't care. 1.00

00:49:20.000 They're big enough, they're strong enough, they're composed enough, and they're females. 0.99

00:49:23.000 So they're just about it.

00:49:25.000 The females, that definitely helps. 1.00

00:49:26.000 So that helps for sure, yeah.

00:49:28.000 Tell them the story that you pretty much went naked and I heard from your wife yesterday.

00:49:35.000 The pit bulls separating the pit bulls.

00:49:37.000 So the two dogs.

00:49:39.000 Do you have two females? 1.00

00:49:40.000 We have two females. 0.99

00:49:41.000 Ooh, that's not good.

00:49:42.000 Yeah.

00:49:43.000 The story would prove your point correct.

00:49:46.000 I'm about to hop in the shower, and my wife tells me the dogs are fighting out back, so I grab my towel, I wrap it on it, I run outside to separate the dogs, because they'll fight because the neighbor's dog barks, and they'll bark at that, and then they'll bark at each other, and then they start arguing and fighting, right?

00:49:59.000 So, anyways, I run outside with my towel on to get the dogs to separate them.

00:50:03.000 While I'm separating the dogs, the towel falls off, but I still have to separate the dogs, and the neighbor's behind me now.

00:50:09.000 It's a show.

00:50:09.000 Boom, and they have a get-together.

00:50:12.000 Oh, nice!

00:50:13.000 I'm in the back naked just rolling with the dog and separating him and making sure everything is good.

00:50:17.000 Does anybody have their phone out?

00:50:18.000 I'm not sure.

00:50:19.000 I'm not sure, but his wife winks at me now and it's a little bit strange.

00:50:24.000 It's good to be wanted.

00:50:25.000 No, she doesn't.

00:50:25.000 She doesn't, no.

00:50:27.000 It's always nice to feel wanted.

00:50:28.000 That's a savage scene.

00:50:29.000 A dude separating his fighting pit bulls naked. 1.00

00:50:33.000 Dick flopping around. 0.99

00:50:34.000 Oh yeah, that would have been good, huh? 0.99

00:50:37.000 It's a joke now, so I'll say the dog's fighting and go rip my shirt off like I'm...

00:50:42.000 Yeah.

00:50:42.000 But that was a good one.

00:50:44.000 I had two females that fought to the death. 1.00

00:50:46.000 Oh, that's right.

00:50:47.000 I heard that.

00:50:47.000 I came home as a dead dog in my living room.

00:50:49.000 Not good.

00:50:50.000 How was the other dog?

00:50:51.000 Was it healthy? 1.00

00:50:52.000 She was fucked up. 1.00

00:50:54.000 I put her down after that. 1.00

00:50:55.000 She killed another dog, too. 0.99

00:50:57.000 She was crazy. 0.93

00:50:59.000 Rescue dog.

00:50:59.000 I got her a little too late.

00:51:00.000 Both of mine are rescues.

00:51:01.000 I got her when she was about nine, ten months old, and she had already been indoctrinated into the world of violence.

00:51:06.000 Oh.

00:51:06.000 Yeah, as much as I travel and move around, I want the pit bulls there because no one's gonna break into my house with the pit bulls and my wife having the gun and everything, so we're good.

00:51:14.000 Or if they do, they're not gonna have a good night.

00:51:15.000 That's a warning, guys.

00:51:16.000 Yeah, yes, sir.

00:51:17.000 Yeah, and females are like super protective. 1.00

00:51:20.000 They both of them are, yep.

00:51:21.000 Yeah, they genuinely love our kids.

00:51:25.000 Yeah, but females together, they're like chicks together. 1.00

00:51:28.000 Try having two wives. 0.98

00:51:30.000 Good luck with that chick. 1.00

00:51:32.000 Both together to the restroom, right?

00:51:33.000 That's what they do. 0.96

00:51:34.000 They go together and stab each other. 0.95

00:51:37.000 It's just something about females. 1.00

00:51:39.000 Two men, they get together and one of them will decide, or two male dogs. 0.99

00:51:43.000 One of them will decide, like, okay, that guy's the king and I'll just fucking cower when he growls at me. 1.00

00:51:48.000 But females, they fucking, they never decide who the alpha is. 1.00

00:51:52.000 They just go, nah, that bitch got lucky last time. 1.00

00:51:54.000 We're going again. 1.00

00:51:55.000 We're going again right now.

00:51:57.000 It's women. 1.00

00:51:58.000 It's all the time with women, if you think about it. 1.00

00:52:00.000 When my wife comes back, she went out with other women, there's always stress, like, oh, so-and-so has cancer, so-and-so has this. 1.00

00:52:07.000 With us, with guys, that never comes up, right?

00:52:09.000 We go, oh, did you hear about him?

00:52:12.000 No, we're like, party, have a great time!

00:52:15.000 So much sorrow.

00:52:16.000 That is so true.

00:52:17.000 Women always want to tell you who's sick. 1.00

00:52:20.000 Who's got a problem. 0.90

00:52:21.000 Oh, she's got chronic fatigue syndrome. 1.00

00:52:24.000 Oh, they read on the internet.

00:52:25.000 Oh, I have a headache.

00:52:26.000 And they read on the internet.

00:52:27.000 Oh, this could be cancer.

00:52:28.000 Oh, I think I have cancer.

00:52:30.000 Right?

00:52:30.000 All the time?

00:52:31.000 My wife does that stuff all the time. 1.00

00:52:32.000 My wife's good. 0.90

00:52:33.000 My wife, she's on point with stuff. 0.91

00:52:35.000 She's good about the good, positive stuff and lifestyle and take care of the family. 1.00

00:52:38.000 She's good.

00:52:39.000 She's programmed herself wisely, I feel.

00:52:41.000 Well, they say that there's a natural evolutionary path that women get together and talk a lot. 1.00

00:52:47.000 That's one of the reasons why gossip exists so much with women. 1.00

00:52:50.000 Because women would be gathering food and talking, and that was one of the ways they figured out who was full of shit and who wasn't. 1.00

00:52:58.000 Whereas the men would be out hunting, and they'd be like, shut the floor. 0.99

00:53:02.000 Interesting.

00:53:03.000 Yeah, that's why men value.

00:53:05.000 It's also why men, they value quiet men who know when to be quiet.

00:53:10.000 That's important. 0.99

00:53:11.000 And also, they don't value men who wear shiny shit and are really loud and have a lot of junk on and stuff like that. 1.00

00:53:18.000 Because those assholes would fuck up hunting parties. 1.00

00:53:22.000 Interesting. 1.00

00:53:22.000 I agree with that. 1.00

00:53:23.000 I don't know if it's right, but it makes sense.

00:53:25.000 It makes sense to me.

00:53:26.000 I believe in it.

00:53:28.000 Women are programmed to do more things simultaneously at the same time. 1.00

00:53:31.000 That's why they can't really take care of the kids, but they can do anything.

00:53:34.000 We don't.

00:53:35.000 We just have one focus, and that's it.

00:53:37.000 That's why with the military and women, I always think it's a dangerous thing. 0.98

00:53:40.000 And the reason I'm saying a dangerous thing is because the natural inclination for a guy is to protect a woman. 0.85

00:53:46.000 So if something happens, everybody wants to automatically...

00:53:50.000 That's an instinct that's built into the guy to protect a woman, which could, of course, make a big trouble in a great...

00:53:56.000 Right.

00:53:56.000 I see what you're saying.

00:53:57.000 As opposed to treating them as an equal on the battlefield to protect them.

00:54:01.000 Well, maybe training will take that away.

00:54:03.000 If they train like a guy, then they go, okay.

00:54:07.000 My wife is down. 0.94

00:54:10.000 She's a little tomboy. 1.00

00:54:11.000 She'll fight.

00:54:12.000 She fought me.

00:54:14.000 I'm afraid of her.

00:54:16.000 I can't insult.

00:54:18.000 If I play too rough with the kids, I'll see her looking at me, watching over across the gym. 1.00

00:54:22.000 I'm like, oh, shit. 1.00

00:54:24.000 She'll come and fuck me up, man. 1.00

00:54:26.000 She's awesome. 1.00

00:54:27.000 Well, there's strange times because we're asking women to take on a lot of the traits and characteristics of men. 0.94

00:54:35.000 Some of them want to, and I understand that, but for some, they feel like they're required to, and I don't necessarily know if that's what they want.

00:54:45.000 But I think society wants a woman to be a breadwinner. 1.00

00:54:48.000 They want women to contribute and compete with men in the workplace in a lot of ways. 0.65

00:54:52.000 And a lot of women want to do that, too. 1.00

00:54:53.000 Equality, yeah.

00:54:54.000 Yeah, and then when you see that, and then when it comes to the military, it's very difficult to say, like, oh, women shouldn't be on the battlefield. 1.00

00:55:01.000 Because then all of a sudden you say, well, what are you, sexist?

00:55:03.000 But, you know, it's not traditionally a female... 1.00

00:55:06.000 Open option.

00:55:07.000 Yeah.

00:55:07.000 If that's the path you want to go, then go ahead.

00:55:10.000 I want to be me, you be you.

00:55:11.000 We'll have fun.

00:55:12.000 Yeah, I get that. 0.99

00:55:13.000 I mean, there's some women that I think would probably gravitate towards killing people. 1.00

00:55:16.000 They'd probably think it would be a lot of fun. 0.96

00:55:17.000 Well, if you're a feminist, then also, when you see a spider, don't let us get rid of the spider. 1.00

00:55:22.000 They all want to be power, power, and then some of them, you know, oh, no, no, I do everything myself.

00:55:27.000 Ah, a spider!

00:55:28.000 We can take a spider! 0.82

00:55:28.000 I say, well, that's your job right now as well. 0.82

00:55:31.000 Right?

00:55:32.000 Yeah, I guess so.

00:55:33.000 I was reading something about arachnophobia, where they were thinking that arachnophobia, which is a fear of spiders, and a bunch of different snake phobias and a bunch of different phobias, might literally be the memory of your ancestors. 0.98

00:55:45.000 Someone your ancestors know died in front of them, got bit by a spider, or they almost died and they got bit by a spider, and that shit is just hardwired into your DNA. Some people will see a fucking spider and they can't move. 0.99

00:56:00.000 They freak out. 1.00

00:56:01.000 It doesn't make any sense.

00:56:02.000 My daughter freaks out when a wasp comes by. 1.00

00:56:04.000 She'll just freeze. 1.00

00:56:04.000 I'm like, oh shit, I gotta go pick her up or swap the wasp away. 1.00

00:56:07.000 We have wasps in our area. 1.00

00:56:09.000 She just freezes out.

00:56:11.000 They fly around.

00:56:12.000 You don't know where they're going.

00:56:13.000 My daughter's got good footwork. 0.99

00:56:15.000 She does.

00:56:16.000 A hummingbird.

00:56:17.000 That makes a lot of noise.

00:56:19.000 Sometimes when you're meditating, they're flying in front of me. 1.00

00:56:23.000 When you meditate, they come and fuck with you? 1.00

00:56:25.000 I open my eyes, this guy came back twice. 1.00

00:56:29.000 And I look at him, I go, what's up?

00:56:30.000 And he's right in front of me here, and he goes...

00:56:33.000 Maybe he sensed your chi.

00:56:35.000 For sure he did.

00:56:36.000 Or it's female. 0.86

00:56:37.000 Maybe he was not a he. 0.99

00:56:39.000 It's Sensei Boss.

00:56:41.000 Is that Sensei Boss?

00:56:43.000 El Guapo is meditating in the yard.

00:56:46.000 We were just talking about Sensei before he arrived as far as...

00:56:49.000 I'd like to go back to this, but again, he's the first one that I was aware of that actually did elevation training when he came to Colorado.

00:56:55.000 Sorry to say that, but also...

00:56:57.000 What he did is he took combinations and then chunked them together, hence numbers like four.

00:57:02.000 If you say four in the routing system, it's jab, cross, hook, cross.

00:57:04.000 So again, it's that same idea of taking a combination and chunking it together because if I was to say jab, cross, hook, cross, that's a lot more time than me just saying four.

00:57:12.000 And that concept is what it took to continue to develop the system and just the idea to be able to communicate with TJ on the pads or in the cage with limited time, just calling simple commands or combinations so we can actually make sure that the fight's still taking place and not getting too sidetracked.

00:57:26.000 You know who's got a really interesting system is Mark Henry.

00:57:30.000 Mark Henry, who trains Edson Barbosa, Frankie Edgar.

00:57:33.000 He's a fantastic trainer, like one of the most underrated guys in the business.

00:57:37.000 Rashad Evans told me that he will name combinations after his daughter, like Rashad's daughter, like certain things.

00:57:44.000 And he changes them with every camp.

00:57:46.000 With every camp, the names change, so no one's ever going to be able to pattern you. 0.96

00:57:50.000 The other corners are not going to have any fucking idea what he's calling out. 0.91

00:57:54.000 Tyson used to do that. 0.97

00:57:56.000 He used to change the numbers all the time.

00:57:59.000 Because they would have a number system, but then every time he would change the numbers so nobody could pick up. 0.99

00:58:05.000 I feel like we do too much shit. 0.99

00:58:07.000 If you're going to change shit up on me, man... 1.00

00:58:10.000 I'll be so lost. 0.98

00:58:12.000 We're always adding.

00:58:13.000 He's got a system.

00:58:14.000 We do an online system.

00:58:15.000 We do his own academy, which he teaches, you know, the basic stuff.

00:58:19.000 I mean, boss, we got a boss combo.

00:58:20.000 We do, you know, we got my combo, stuff like that.

00:58:23.000 We'll put it online and, but then we always switch it up.

00:58:25.000 So each camp, my combo might be different, you know, but if he completely switched all of it up, I'd be lost.

00:58:30.000 We already do too much as it is.

00:58:31.000 I'd be lost.

00:58:32.000 Yeah, we did the boss combo today.

00:58:35.000 When you're trying to remember all these different things, like the Ramon Deckers, there's like 50 shots in a row.

00:58:43.000 Yeah, it does.

00:58:45.000 The Deckers, stuff like that, the Tyson and the Deckers, those things kind of tie together.

00:58:50.000 You're doing things you're supposed to do naturally anyways, like you're returning with the same punch and slipping and then rolling into the body and kicking inside and then kicking the head.

00:58:57.000 Those are supposed to come together no matter what.

00:58:59.000 He's just making it a combo.

00:59:01.000 So once you stop Stop thinking about the combo, you just naturally start to do it.

00:59:05.000 Right.

00:59:05.000 Put on the reps.

00:59:06.000 With the Tyson, he's following the hooks up with coming to the body and then the uppercut.

00:59:09.000 So it's kind of stuff that ties together and it's a lot easier to remember it that way.

00:59:13.000 Has to flow.

00:59:14.000 Natural intuition.

00:59:15.000 Yeah, boss, before you got here, we were talking about the level of MMA right now.

00:59:18.000 It's so fascinating because there's so much depth and people are getting so much better and there's so many different styles and it just seems like such an exciting time right now for MMA. Yeah.

00:59:28.000 It is.

00:59:29.000 It is really exciting.

00:59:30.000 For me, the first big change that happened in MMA was that everybody now was in shape.

00:59:34.000 Finally.

00:59:34.000 You remember we had all these guys running out of gas?

00:59:37.000 Dude, that's like being a painter with half a can of paint, do a job and say, I'll run out of paint, I'm sorry. 0.99

00:59:43.000 You know, it's the dumbest thing there is. 1.00

00:59:45.000 Go run a hill. 1.00

00:59:46.000 You know what one guy one time told me?

00:59:47.000 I said, yeah, but I'm a heavyweight.

00:59:49.000 I said, Kane Velasquez.

00:59:50.000 And he goes, yeah, but he trains really hard.

00:59:52.000 Also, he's Mexican.

00:59:54.000 I look at him like, are you kidding?

00:59:56.000 I say, you just gave the answer.

00:59:58.000 Just train really hard.

01:00:00.000 Nice.

01:00:01.000 And there's a science behind it now, too.

01:00:03.000 You know, how to train, when to train that hard, and which ways to do it, how to make your body bigger if you need to, or faster, if you need more endurance to train that way.

01:00:11.000 So, I mean, it's just like all these other sports.

01:00:13.000 There is a science to it.

01:00:13.000 It's becoming a real sport.

01:00:14.000 But to back up my Mexican theory.

01:00:16.000 Yeah.

01:00:17.000 I talked to Crazy Bob Cook and Crazy Bob Cook said, Kane will take like a month off or two months off, get hurt, you know, something like that.

01:00:23.000 Has to rest up an injury.

01:00:24.000 Not trained.

01:00:25.000 Come back and outwork everybody.

01:00:26.000 It's so not fair, man.

01:00:28.000 That does not happen to me.

01:00:29.000 We were talking about Gilbert Melendez, another one.

01:00:31.000 Fantastic cardio. 1.00

01:00:32.000 A lot of Mexicans have crazy fucking cardio, man. 1.00

01:00:35.000 I always had good cardio. 1.00

01:00:38.000 He has good cardio because he doesn't calm down.

01:00:42.000 Yeah, I don't calm down.

01:00:42.000 If he shows up here early for the podcast, he's out in the parking lot shadowboxing.

01:00:47.000 You know what I mean?

01:00:48.000 He's not on his phone hanging out like most people waiting for whatever he's got to do to happen.

01:00:55.000 He's always doing something, always crazy.

01:00:58.000 But he goes 100%.

01:00:59.000 The thing with Dwayne is when you hold focus, Mr. Typex for Dwayne, You cannot say, oh, you cannot take a break for five seconds and say, listen, make sure that you do it.

01:01:08.000 He wants to keep going, keep going hard the whole time.

01:01:13.000 I said, guys, step back, do this different now, okay?

01:01:16.000 Just relax constantly.

01:01:17.000 He's in my face.

01:01:18.000 You know, he wants to go 100% all the time.

01:01:20.000 He does that to me holding mitts.

01:01:22.000 So on the other end of it, I'll be hitting mitts.

01:01:25.000 We'll be going for like an hour, hour and a half.

01:01:26.000 I'm just like, you know, dead tired.

01:01:28.000 So my feints and my fork have gotten so good because how much he's in my face.

01:01:32.000 He'll come at me at nonstop wanting me to throw combos and I am so dead tired I'll feint and move.

01:01:37.000 You know what I mean?

01:01:38.000 Like, give me some time.

01:01:39.000 Let me breathe.

01:01:41.000 It's for the GoPro, a good cause of developing your skill set and martial arts as a whole.

01:01:45.000 There's a purpose to it.

01:01:46.000 We were talking about how interesting it's been how Dwayne has transitioned so well into becoming a trainer.

01:01:52.000 Was that a challenge for you going from being a great fighter to being a great trainer?

01:01:57.000 No, no, it wasn't.

01:01:59.000 For me, it's always been like riding shotgun.

01:02:04.000 We were talking about if a student fights.

01:02:07.000 I'm more nervous than the student.

01:02:09.000 Then I would be when I would fight for myself because then I'm in control.

01:02:14.000 No.

01:02:14.000 But sometimes it's difficult if you don't have the right student, right?

01:02:18.000 If your student is not responding.

01:02:20.000 Yeah, it's very hard.

01:02:22.000 Once you have those, you know, but a lot of them don't.

01:02:26.000 A lot of these fighters don't listen to their corners.

01:02:29.000 Still, till this day, top fighters.

01:02:31.000 I mean, you hear the corner constantly screaming.

01:02:32.000 They don't do what they're doing.

01:02:33.000 They think they can see it better, you know, but once there is a trust, And there was always a good trust between Dwayne and myself, and the same with him and TJ. Then he knows what you're seeing that's probably gonna work.

01:02:46.000 And he will do it.

01:02:48.000 If I would say four to Dwayne in a fight, it will come out less than a second later.

01:02:52.000 I would just shout four, pa-pa-pa-pa, it'll come out right away.

01:02:55.000 If you could enhance my voice, When he's fighting, it's a video game.

01:03:00.000 We need to get a bow horn. 0.94

01:03:02.000 Get a bow horn.

01:03:03.000 The UFC should allow bow horns. 0.65

01:03:05.000 No, no, no.

01:03:05.000 I did that.

01:03:06.000 In the UFC, I brought a megaphone because I thought everybody was screaming and they actually put it in the contract after that.

01:03:14.000 That you couldn't have a megaphone?

01:03:15.000 Watch my fight against Kosaki.

01:03:16.000 Short combinations.

01:03:18.000 You didn't like this letter.

01:03:19.000 Because I figured in Japan they're quiet, but here everybody's going to scream.

01:03:23.000 I'm not going to hear them.

01:03:24.000 So Avi Rubin, the old owner of the Beverly Hills Jiu-Jitsu Club says, I'm going to bring a megaphone.

01:03:29.000 They go, yeah!

01:03:29.000 That's a good idea.

01:03:31.000 That is a great idea.

01:03:32.000 What about just like a tube, like a roll of toilet paper or something like that?

01:03:35.000 You should roll up a piece of paper, huh?

01:03:36.000 Yeah.

01:03:36.000 Could that work?

01:03:37.000 I'll try it.

01:03:43.000 The reason why I brought that up about training fighters is because there's an interesting parallel between you two guys both great fighters and then both wind up having great students you having Dwayne as a student and Dwayne now having TJ as a student and a bunch yeah I mean there's there's a lot to that There is,

01:04:00.000 you know, but it's all connection, and that's about everything in life.

01:04:03.000 You know, once there is a connection, that is, people, you know, if I don't care for him, you know, if he's not a good guy, you know, and that's what some fighters also, they come in, they just work out, they're gone again.

01:04:13.000 You know, they don't build a relationship, and once that happens, it hurts their fighting, I guarantee you that.

01:04:19.000 Yeah, I'm sure, and for fighters, it's really a problem when you build a relationship with the wrong trainer, and then you've got to leave that guy, and you know, you have this tight bond with someone who doesn't really know enough.

01:04:29.000 Yeah.

01:04:29.000 That's a hard one.

01:04:30.000 Yeah.

01:04:31.000 I've seen that many times.

01:04:33.000 And when they leave, people get super butthurt.

01:04:35.000 It gets to be a real problem.

01:04:37.000 Yeah, but if it's real, it's real.

01:04:40.000 I always say, you know, I say to my daughter, she said, what do I tell the guy?

01:04:43.000 I said, Just tell the truth.

01:04:44.000 Can't go wrong with the truth.

01:04:46.000 It's a guy, sorry. 0.98

01:04:47.000 It's like on Inside MMA, I would say about a certified, oh, that sucked, or this sucked.

01:04:52.000 And they say, yeah, but what if we're going to get him on the show?

01:04:53.000 I say, I'll say the same thing. 0.94

01:04:54.000 And if he tells me that I'm wrong, he can't say, because it did suck.

01:04:59.000 You just got to be honest.

01:05:01.000 There's nothing he can do. 0.95

01:05:02.000 Yeah, it doesn't mean they suck as a human being.

01:05:04.000 It just means that in that moment, that was the wrong thing to do, or they didn't execute it properly.

01:05:10.000 Yeah, and then I have to be on point, too, as far as a trainer with the fighters I'm coaching, I've got to make sure I'm calling the right commands at the right time as well, and that goes back to...

01:05:18.000 The relationship that you have and making sure you have that connection.

01:05:21.000 When you also have to know your fighter's capabilities.

01:05:23.000 Exactly.

01:05:24.000 When you have a great racehorse, everything becomes so much more interesting because you have all these options.

01:05:31.000 And there's so much mental behind it, too.

01:05:34.000 Dwayne knows how to coach me, too.

01:05:36.000 Not everyone responds to negative energy.

01:05:39.000 Right.

01:05:40.000 Some people respond to negative energy right.

01:05:42.000 Like Danny Castillo. 1.00

01:05:43.000 You've got to tell Danny Castillo, you're doing that like an idiot. 1.00

01:05:45.000 Come on. 1.00

01:05:45.000 Yeah, he responds differently. 1.00

01:05:46.000 Fix that.

01:05:47.000 And he's like, okay, yeah, and he'll do it better.

01:05:48.000 With me and Dwayne, it's a little more, you know, I've got to pump the guy up maybe a little bit.

01:05:52.000 Tell him what he's doing right instead of what he's doing wrong.

01:05:54.000 So you've got to know how to coach each fighter.

01:05:56.000 And once you build that relationship like Boss is talking about, you don't let it go.

01:06:00.000 There's very few things that are as painful as listening to bad corner work.

01:06:04.000 Yeah.

01:06:04.000 Oh, that's fun.

01:06:05.000 I had a guy, went down to his liver in the corner, cross who crossed! 1.00

01:06:09.000 I go, you don't want him to throw a right hand right now.

01:06:14.000 Let him keep that here so the liver is protected. 1.00

01:06:17.000 And I go, yeah, that's an idiot. 1.00

01:06:19.000 Exactly. 1.00

01:06:19.000 Who does that? 1.00

01:06:20.000 Yeah, I see that.

01:06:21.000 Did you watch the fights this weekend?

01:06:22.000 Yeah, I did.

01:06:23.000 What did you think about Stipe and Alistair?

01:06:25.000 Man, that was crazy.

01:06:26.000 I love Stipe.

01:06:27.000 That was so crazy.

01:06:28.000 The three or four last punches he gave, I mean, they're on an inch.

01:06:32.000 They're all exact at the same spot.

01:06:35.000 He's got really good precision.

01:06:36.000 Yeah, I just stopped him.

01:06:37.000 And he got hit hard.

01:06:39.000 He waved it off.

01:06:40.000 But then that guillotine, and we know, 11 guillotines, I believe, that he had before.

01:06:44.000 That's right.

01:06:44.000 And tight ones.

01:06:44.000 He put me in one time.

01:06:46.000 I said, I want to feel it.

01:06:47.000 I go, whoa, this is a really tight guillotine.

01:06:49.000 But he got out.

01:06:50.000 Yeah.

01:06:50.000 He's a freak athlete.

01:06:52.000 He really is.

01:06:53.000 And he's a very likable guy.

01:06:54.000 He's awesome.

01:06:55.000 Yeah.

01:06:55.000 Steep is a good guy.

01:06:56.000 We were talking about his composure.

01:06:58.000 Yes, sir.

01:06:58.000 He's so composed.

01:06:59.000 Like in Brazil when he fought Fabricio, when he was in a stare down.

01:07:03.000 He's just dead-faced.

01:07:04.000 He's got his own dead face.

01:07:06.000 It's not like a Fedor dead face or a Kane dead face. 0.73

01:07:09.000 He's got his own dead face.

01:07:10.000 But those guys, they can just stay completely calm.

01:07:13.000 Mm-hmm.

01:07:13.000 You know, in that incredible environment of being there in Brazil, 45,000-plus people screaming for Fabrizio Verdum, and he just shuts his lights out.

01:07:22.000 Yeah, that's one of the things, our main battle, right, is being able to control ourselves.

01:07:26.000 And he looks to have mastered that ability to control his own emotions and make sure he's directing the energy in the right path.

01:07:33.000 So, Stipe, good job. 1.00

01:07:35.000 He's a bad motherfucker. 1.00

01:07:36.000 It would be interesting. 1.00

01:07:37.000 To see if someone got into his head the way you and Dominic were going after each other or the way Conor got into Aldo's head. 0.99

01:07:44.000 That was a master class in fucking with someone's head. 0.99

01:07:48.000 Absolutely. 0.99

01:07:49.000 Conor took Aldo completely out of his element where he was just so frazzled by the time they actually met each other inside the Octagon.

01:07:56.000 It was just...

01:07:56.000 I think with Overeem and Stipe, it's the same as Holm and Rousey.

01:08:01.000 You know, Rousey's intimidating everybody the way she is.

01:08:04.000 And when she stared at the stare down, that's when she lost it because she realized Holly didn't care. 0.98

01:08:10.000 At all.

01:08:11.000 She was just there, I'm gonna hurt you. 0.99

01:08:14.000 Everybody is intimidated by Overeem and you should be because he's a monster. 0.55

01:08:18.000 But I think Overeem could see in his face already He's not intimidated, this guy.

01:08:23.000 And then when you fight a guy like that, that little voice starts playing in your mind when it gets bad.

01:08:30.000 And that's why maybe we saw these crazy things running away.

01:08:33.000 Which I say is a good thing, because I said the same thing against Corwin McGregor.

01:08:36.000 But for a big, huge heavyweight, it doesn't look good.

01:08:40.000 And now you set yourself up more as a victim because he's following you in.

01:08:44.000 And that all is an input in your own brain.

01:08:47.000 Because now you start telling yourself, oh, I know everybody thinks I'm hurt.

01:08:51.000 Or that I'm afraid.

01:08:52.000 Am I afraid?

01:08:53.000 You know, there's the whole doubt thing that goes on in the mind.

01:08:55.000 There's always these two voices I say.

01:08:58.000 So one voice wants to quit and the other voice wants to go, right?

01:09:00.000 You know, you're in a really bad situation and they say, okay, call it quits, call it quits.

01:09:04.000 And then suddenly the other one goes, no, no, no, no, wait, wait, wait.

01:09:07.000 Let's just see what happens, you know?

01:09:09.000 And then suddenly you come out of the situation.

01:09:11.000 Like I was about to tap in my second fight, but then the audience started cheering for him.

01:09:17.000 And then my ego took over.

01:09:18.000 I go, okay, I get out of the situation.

01:09:20.000 And then 30 seconds later, I knocked him out with a knee to the liver.

01:09:22.000 And I go, okay, this is the last time I'm going to think like that.

01:09:25.000 Because the bad voice, stay away from the bad voice.

01:09:28.000 Yeah, focus on what you can control, and that's yourself, right?

01:09:31.000 Did you ever use any psychological training?

01:09:33.000 Did you ever talk to a sports psychologist or anything like that?

01:09:35.000 Or is it all self-taught?

01:09:36.000 All self-taught.

01:09:37.000 But what I did a lot is talking to myself.

01:09:39.000 And people might laugh about that, but I'm very honest to myself.

01:09:44.000 Like people say, oh, are you nervous to fight?

01:09:45.000 No.

01:09:46.000 I'm not nervous.

01:09:47.000 Why not?

01:09:47.000 What can happen?

01:09:48.000 What can really happen?

01:09:49.000 He's going to knock me out?

01:09:50.000 Well, it's going to be hard because it never happened before, but if it happens, well, I'm not going to feel it.

01:09:54.000 Apparently, you know, you're going to go down.

01:09:56.000 Submission.

01:09:56.000 Is the submission?

01:09:57.000 Is that really so bad?

01:09:58.000 I'm going to tap.

01:09:59.000 So what is so really so bad? 0.96

01:10:01.000 Well, the really bad thing is, Listening to all the crap that all the not-so-good fans are going to tell you afterwards on social media. 0.84

01:10:09.000 But if you just care, remember last time I told the story from in the room? 0.82

01:10:12.000 If you take a fighter, who's normally a nervous fighter, this is what I tell my students who are nervous when they have to compete.

01:10:19.000 I say, okay, imagine now, the guy's right here, we put you in the room, we lock the door, nobody can go in there.

01:10:25.000 You guys fight, and when you come out, you're not allowed to say who won or lose.

01:10:28.000 Do you really care if you would lose?

01:10:31.000 And he goes, no, because everybody can lose.

01:10:33.000 I say, well, that's the mindset you should have when you go to a fight.

01:10:36.000 That's my mindset.

01:10:37.000 You know, winning or losing, I'm going to win.

01:10:39.000 I'm going to do everything in my power to win.

01:10:40.000 But if I lose, so what?

01:10:41.000 You know, we're human.

01:10:42.000 We come out of it.

01:10:43.000 I say, you overcomplicate things.

01:10:46.000 Certain combinations.

01:10:47.000 When I say it's a four, and then I do four punches to the head.

01:10:50.000 And then I say, I'm going to...

01:10:52.000 We stay with this combination.

01:10:53.000 The only thing we're going to change are the heights.

01:10:56.000 So now I'm going to say, you do the four-punch.

01:10:58.000 It's a left, right, straight, left hook, right, straight.

01:11:00.000 I'm going to say, okay, body, head, head, head.

01:11:02.000 Now the first one has to go to the body.

01:11:04.000 Head, head, head.

01:11:05.000 Body, body, head.

01:11:06.000 Head, body, head.

01:11:08.000 Body, head, body.

01:11:09.000 I mean, now you can make like 12 combinations from just a four-punch.

01:11:13.000 But some people, when I tell it to my students, sometimes they overthink it.

01:11:17.000 I say, no, just think body hat.

01:11:19.000 Do the same combination, but they start thinking, oh, that's a liver shot.

01:11:22.000 No, that's not a liver shot.

01:11:23.000 It's the body.

01:11:24.000 Just keep it simple.

01:11:25.000 And once you can keep it simple, it's much easier to...

01:11:29.000 Well, it's one of the things that we were talking about earlier was the amount of fighting that is mental.

01:11:35.000 And the amount that is your attitude and how you feel about things and how you go into things and just your enthusiasm. 0.98

01:11:41.000 Like Travis Brown, we were talking about Travis Brown, who earlier in his career was this fucking stone-cold killer.

01:11:48.000 I mean, he had all this crazy footwork, he'd throw a lot of kicks, and like, remember when we knocked out Stefan Struve with that Superman punch? 0.95

01:11:56.000 Oh, that's right, yeah. 0.99

01:11:56.000 Damn, he was so unpredictable and wild. 0.99

01:11:58.000 I was like, this motherfucker's going to be the heavyweight champ. 0.99

01:12:01.000 Just give him some time, and then he moved to Jackson's. 0.99

01:12:04.000 He's training at a great camp, but he just doesn't seem...

01:12:07.000 I mean, maybe there's a few losses in a row.

01:12:09.000 He just doesn't seem to have that fire anymore.

01:12:11.000 Did he lose when he was at Jackson's?

01:12:14.000 He changed camps.

01:12:15.000 Yes.

01:12:16.000 Right?

01:12:16.000 He started losing after he I change camps.

01:12:18.000 Most of the time, and that's what I tell people, like my stretch routine, and every time when I say this, they ask me, what is your stretch routine?

01:12:25.000 I do the same stretch routine as I did 23 years ago when I started.

01:12:29.000 Same routine.

01:12:30.000 And the reason is, it never got me an injury.

01:12:33.000 So if it's a winning combination, don't break it.

01:12:35.000 And it's the same with your team.

01:12:36.000 If it's a winning combination, do not break it.

01:12:38.000 Once you break, how many fighters you see changing camp or firing a trainer or firing a manager or somebody who always helped them and suddenly they start losing?

01:12:46.000 You broke the spell or whatever you want to call it, the mystical thing that was going on.

01:12:51.000 That was working.

01:12:52.000 Don't break it.

01:12:53.000 Why would you?

01:12:53.000 Yeah, but it's so rare that you find the perfect person.

01:12:56.000 Like, if you're with Johnny McFuckstick in Columbus, Ohio, and he's a shitty coach, and you've been with him forever, and you've got this weird bond with him, and then Faraz Zahabi wants to train you, and you're like, God damn. 0.98

01:13:07.000 What do you do? 0.99

01:13:08.000 Not everybody runs into Bas Rutten right off the bat.

01:13:11.000 You know, because I tell all my students, I say, listen, I teach two times a week, go anywhere you want.

01:13:16.000 Any gym, I don't mind, guys.

01:13:18.000 You want to spar with other guys, go anywhere you want.

01:13:20.000 But the problem is, if you have that guy we are talking about who doesn't know anything, he's going to be butthurt.

01:13:25.000 He's going to be, okay, you cannot go, you cannot go.

01:13:27.000 But a good coach will say, go!

01:13:29.000 Yes.

01:13:30.000 Just train everywhere.

01:13:31.000 If you can't find something better, please do.

01:13:33.000 A perfect example is Duke Rufus, who's a great coach.

01:13:35.000 And Pettis, Anthony Pettis, started training at Jackson's.

01:13:39.000 He just wanted new looks.

01:13:40.000 He wanted different things.

01:13:41.000 He wanted to mix things up.

01:13:42.000 And he had some great success doing that.

01:13:43.000 And he also cares about Anthony Pettis.

01:13:44.000 He wants him to do that.

01:13:46.000 He cares about his career.

01:13:46.000 He wants him to grow.

01:13:48.000 And so he's like, yes, please go do this.

01:13:49.000 Yeah, experience some new stuff.

01:13:50.000 Every time I went up and trained with Frost at TriStar, he loved it.

01:13:53.000 He loved the idea.

01:13:54.000 Go up there, get some new looks, get some new technique, grow, you know?

01:13:57.000 Those are real friends, those are real people that care about you, and they want you to have the best thing in your life.

01:14:01.000 I sent Dwayne to other camps, right?

01:14:03.000 I mean, he went to church camp also to train.

01:14:06.000 Well, there's a small handful, maybe a half a dozen or more, of really truly elite camps right now.

01:14:13.000 You know, there's American Top Team, of course.

01:14:15.000 There's a few that you could go over, but of places where you really kind of can't go wrong.

01:14:19.000 It's really just a matter of finding the right combination for you, too, right?

01:14:24.000 I mean, some camps are more grappling heavy, and you might be more of a striker.

01:14:28.000 We've seen that happen, too.

01:14:29.000 You know, the guys just kind of get the wrong formula.

01:14:32.000 It's the thing, if you're a great striker, go to a more grappling-oriented camp.

01:14:36.000 That's what I always say.

01:14:37.000 You got the striking.

01:14:38.000 That's what I decided.

01:14:40.000 Okay, this is it.

01:14:41.000 Forget about striking three times a day submissions.

01:14:43.000 That was it.

01:14:44.000 Never lost again.

01:14:45.000 It's just doing what you're not comfortable at.

01:14:47.000 And do that a lot and make sure you get comfortable at it, and that's it.

01:14:50.000 Wonderboy is a great example of that.

01:14:52.000 He started training with Weidman, who was a great wrestler, and it just completely changed his confidence and his stand-up, and now he's so loose standing up. 0.97

01:15:00.000 You're getting to see the same Wonderboy that was, I think he was like 57-0 as a kickboxer, something fucking crazy like that.

01:15:07.000 And you see those skills now because good luck taking that guy down. 0.79

01:15:11.000 Correct.

01:15:11.000 He's getting mauled by Chris Weidman all the time.

01:15:13.000 Weidman, who's a big 185. Exactly.

01:15:17.000 Yeah, that comes to the...

01:15:18.000 There's so many levels to mixed martial arts, so many areas.

01:15:21.000 We could obviously take the three easy ones with the striking, the wrestling, and then the grappling, right?

01:15:26.000 So with those now, what's your style?

01:15:29.000 What's your skill set?

01:15:30.000 Now, with that being said, you got to make sure you're getting with the best people in those three areas also.

01:15:34.000 But now we can take in the fourth account, which Sensei said earlier, It's the conditioning aspect now.

01:15:38.000 So there's a lot of pieces of the puzzle and you can't just go to one guy.

01:15:41.000 You can't just go to a boxing coach.

01:15:43.000 Well, if the boxing coach isn't really familiar with MMA because things are different, as we point out today, with the distances, right?

01:15:48.000 And then using the switches because of the further distance.

01:15:50.000 So you've got to make sure you have the correct people that understand the mixed martial arts game.

01:15:54.000 Because if you go to an expert karate guy who doesn't understand MMA, that's not going to work.

01:15:59.000 No matter how much you guys love each other, it's not going to work.

01:16:01.000 You have to have MMA in the mix.

01:16:02.000 Yeah, you go to a wrestling coach that doesn't know how to strike, he's not going to learn how to close the distances with punches to build a timer takedowns.

01:16:09.000 He's going to want to grab ahold of you and move you around to shoot on you.

01:16:12.000 He might also not understand where you're in vulnerable positions for submissions.

01:16:16.000 A lot of wrestlers still shoot that double with the neck on the outside.

01:16:20.000 They just haven't figured the distance out or the difference in the technique out.

01:16:25.000 Yep, agreed.

01:16:25.000 Yeah, that's why I love this trio and this lineage because I'm taking what Sensei has done as much as I can than what I've done and then adding that up and I'll pass it in TJ's way and this is a direct line of lineage of martial arts information that's been expedited and it's awesome to have an actual martial art family.

01:16:40.000 Just keep passing along the knowledge.

01:16:42.000 It's fun for me as a martial art nerd.

01:16:44.000 It's also interesting because TJ has that wrestling background as well.

01:16:47.000 And I think that's a big factor in his success because he's incorporating all of your techniques and your techniques.

01:16:53.000 And then on top of that, you've got that elite athleticism.

01:16:56.000 Yes, sir.

01:16:56.000 The wrestling base so you've got awesome takedown defense and takedowns and also I really firmly believe there's something about wrestlers that fucking grind of dieting and starving yourself and dehydrating yourself and the mental toughness that you get from certain wrestlers It's off the charts.

01:17:15.000 I've still to this day never done anything harder than wrestling, even with all the aspects of martial arts and fighting.

01:17:20.000 Fighting to me is a lot easier than a grind of a wrestling season.

01:17:25.000 I wrestled at Cal State Fullerton where we started weight tour.

01:17:28.000 Like I said, I overworked myself and pushed through a 9-month season being completely strict on everything.

01:17:34.000 My diet, my I'm not going out and having fun with my friends because I'm wrestling and then wrestling every weekend.

01:17:40.000 It's such a hard practice.

01:17:42.000 Still today, we do two days a week wrestling practice. 0.98

01:17:44.000 I'm like, damn it, I don't want to go to wrestling. 0.95

01:17:47.000 I just love wrestling. 0.99

01:17:48.000 I'm going to get hurt.

01:17:49.000 I'm going to have to go really hard.

01:17:50.000 Man, wrestling.

01:17:52.000 It's tough, man.

01:17:53.000 And it definitely does breed mental toughness.

01:17:55.000 And then you're learning how to compete on your own every weekend.

01:17:58.000 When you're training at Team Elevation and you're doing wrestling practice, are you doing strictly wrestling?

01:18:02.000 Are you putting wrestling shoes on?

01:18:04.000 And you're doing full-on wrestling competition between your teammates?

01:18:10.000 Are you doing that, Kyle?

01:18:11.000 We do that as well as MMA wrestling as well.

01:18:14.000 There's different forms of it.

01:18:15.000 But yeah, I'll go throw my wrestling shoes on and we're doing matches.

01:18:17.000 It depends on where we're at.

01:18:18.000 We'll do situations.

01:18:20.000 And yeah, we're doing full-on real wrestling practices.

01:18:22.000 Is there a benefit to having wrestling shoes on though?

01:18:25.000 Because you're not going to fight with them on.

01:18:26.000 Your defense will become way better if you wear shoes.

01:18:29.000 So it's so much easier to get out of a takedown.

01:18:32.000 A single leg, you should not get taken down on a single leg in MMA. If you do, it's so easy to slide your leg out on a single leg.

01:18:39.000 But with a wrestling shoe on, I can't just go to that easy defense.

01:18:43.000 I have to use my hips.

01:18:43.000 I have to cover his head.

01:18:44.000 I have to use all these positions to have a better defense with my shoes on.

01:18:48.000 So it's the difference between grappling with gi and no gi? 1.00

01:18:51.000 Is it that kind of a thing?

01:18:52.000 Yeah, I mean, so in college I shot high singles.

01:18:55.000 That's what I shot.

01:18:55.000 I shoot a high single, a guy tried to turn and kick out, I would catch his shoe and then take his back.

01:18:59.000 In MMA, a guy turns and kicks out all the time, so a high single leg is not going to work anymore.

01:19:03.000 So, yeah, I mean, like with a gi on, you can't get away with certain things. 1.00

01:19:07.000 You can't just slip out of a submission.

01:19:08.000 You can't just slip out of an arm bar and roll out of it.

01:19:10.000 You actually have to have the real technique of getting out of it if this guy is so good at it.

01:19:15.000 So yeah, it's learning you to do the defense the right way instead of using the cheat moves.

01:19:19.000 That's interesting.

01:19:21.000 Would it be okay if you did it with no shoes on and your opponent did it with shoes on?

01:19:27.000 Because that way you would have the slipperiness of being barefoot.

01:19:30.000 So if I'm wrestling against a kid that I know is coming in from college and he's really good, I am not wearing shoes.

01:19:36.000 I don't care.

01:19:37.000 I'm not going to wear shoes like Chad Mendes, one of the best wrestlers in the world.

01:19:41.000 At practice, he'll never ever wear shoes now. 0.97

01:19:43.000 His defense is ridiculous. 0.97

01:19:45.000 He just pushes you off his leg. 0.99

01:19:47.000 The way he'll stand now, too, is because he'll only let you shoot a single leg because he knows how easy it is to get out of it.

01:19:52.000 He'll never ever wear shoes again wrestling ever since grappling.

01:19:56.000 Don't you think the injuries, the twisting knees, come from shoes, wearing shoes?

01:20:01.000 Because a lot of guys, they do it on the wrestling mat, and that's still okay because it might slip a little bit, but as soon as you step on the judo mat with shoes, you're planting your feet.

01:20:09.000 And then with upper body motion rotation, something's going to twist.

01:20:12.000 Because a lot of injuries happen with wrestling, right?

01:20:14.000 Yeah, you've got better traction.

01:20:19.000 I've wrestled my entire life, so I guess I kind of know my positioning with wrestling shoes on and stuff.

01:20:22.000 But I think it creates better habits.

01:20:25.000 To have your shoes on while wrestling, you know, because you're not going to be able to get away with a, we call it a stanky leg, where you just whip your leg out, you know?

01:20:31.000 If I have a grip, and what you want is the grip above your knee, but as soon as I get your grip below my knee, just by pushing it down, I'm out.

01:20:38.000 I'm just sliding my leg out.

01:20:39.000 There's got to be a similar situation to wearing gloves, right?

01:20:41.000 Like when you're trying to limp arm at a certain position, you have those, yeah, real naked, it's really hard to finish with gloves on, yeah.

01:20:47.000 Any kind of grappling we do at elevation is with our gloves on, you know, because I'm catching certain moves and I can wrist ride differently.

01:20:55.000 Chokes are different. 1.00

01:20:55.000 I can't slide it as easy behind your head. 1.00

01:20:57.000 You've got to learn all those things with gloves on as well.

01:20:59.000 Some people think that it would be a safer sport without gloves.

01:21:03.000 Probably.

01:21:05.000 I heard the point before about that, yeah.

01:21:08.000 A lot more bloody, that's the thing.

01:21:10.000 The guts and everything.

01:21:11.000 And the breaking hands.

01:21:13.000 Yeah, but you would learn a lot more effective striking.

01:21:16.000 Like, you really couldn't just unload.

01:21:19.000 On a guy and just hit anything.

01:21:21.000 So for Ross, I was up training up at TriStar.

01:21:23.000 He's like, hey, I recommend at least like once a day, once every other day, hitting the back with no gloves on.

01:21:28.000 You know, get that proper technique of knowing how to hit something with no gloves on so you don't have that padding and protecting.

01:21:32.000 If I got a 16 or a 10 ounce glove, I'm able to just go away on that bag and punch it as hard as I want.

01:21:36.000 I don't have to punch right.

01:21:37.000 But if I don't have gloves on and I'm hitting that as hard as I can, I have to hit it correct.

01:21:41.000 I have to have the right knuckle placement to put it on that bag.

01:21:43.000 Yeah, I mean, that's what a lot of karate and traditional martial arts guys believe.

01:21:47.000 They believe that those gloves are actually giving you this sort of false sense of your abilities.

01:21:52.000 Because your wrists are all wrapped up, your hands are all wrapped up.

01:21:55.000 Look at Tyson.

01:21:56.000 How many times did he break his hands in a street fight?

01:21:58.000 All the time!

01:21:59.000 Mitch Blood Green.

01:22:00.000 Because they perfectly...

01:22:03.000 Tape his hands up in training, and then when he has to hit without.

01:22:06.000 On the other side, you know, hitting a bag, but because if you do it wrong, like if you're hitting a bag bare knuckle, because I had a guy who told me, my coach is a really good coach because he lets us hit the bag until our hands bleed. 1.00

01:22:19.000 I say, your coach is an idiot. 1.00

01:22:21.000 That's what your coach is. 1.00

01:22:22.000 I said, because if this happens four weeks before the fight, guess what's going to happen?

01:22:26.000 Every single workout when you hit, you're going to reopen the cuts.

01:22:29.000 It's going to hurt every first round of your workout, right?

01:22:33.000 So yeah, if you do it perfect and the impact is perfect, but as soon as you hit and you slide a little bit and you shave a knuckle off, well, four weeks before the fight, that's not going to heal anymore because you reopen it every time.

01:22:45.000 One of the interesting things about MMA is how we're still kind of learning, and there's no right approach for everybody.

01:22:51.000 Everybody's approach is different.

01:22:52.000 The approach for Damian Maia is going to be different than the approach for Wonderboy is going to be different than your approach.

01:22:57.000 And it's so difficult to figure out who's right.

01:23:00.000 I mean, it's really based on the success of the past.

01:23:03.000 Well, if we take away the gloves, everyone's going to turn into Wonder Boys kicking with Damian Maia's grappling.

01:23:08.000 Yeah.

01:23:09.000 If we take away the gloves.

01:23:10.000 Well, there'll be a lot more chokes. 0.97

01:23:11.000 A lot more chokes and a lot more kicks if they take away the gloves. 0.97

01:23:14.000 There we go.

01:23:15.000 Yeah, I mean, it's so much easier to sink chokes in, so much harder to defend. 1.00

01:23:19.000 So we definitely have to change up the commands then.

01:23:22.000 If you look at football or baseball or any professional sport, they pretty much have protocols that are very similar.

01:23:30.000 Most teams have pretty similar protocols as far as training and how they prepare their athletes.

01:23:37.000 But with MMA, it's wildly different.

01:23:39.000 Who decides, for you, who decides when you're doing strength and conditioning, when you're doing hill sprints, when you're doing sparring?

01:23:48.000 How do you guys work that out?

01:23:50.000 I find someone that I trust completely and then work together with them.

01:23:55.000 For my striking and my MMA with Dwayne, it's something we team up together and think of like, what if I do this?

01:24:00.000 What if I do that?

01:24:00.000 And then kind of make a perfect plan for myself.

01:24:02.000 My strength conditioning coach, Lauren Landau, I believe in him completely, of watching him train athletes and peeking me the right way and how I feel personally.

01:24:09.000 It's all trial and error.

01:24:11.000 You know, where I'm at right now, I trust in every single coach that, for different aspects, at least for bowling for my wrestling, he's been around the game for so long and knows how fighting works, that I'm going to trust him in my wrestling techniques and help him pick me apart.

01:24:22.000 You know, Elliot Marshall is my jiu-jitsu coach.

01:24:24.000 I really believe in Colorado at Elevation Fight Team with me and Dwayne.

01:24:27.000 We really got it pretty good to figure it out.

01:24:30.000 But someone's going to come in and have a different mindset of what they want to do.

01:24:33.000 And if it doesn't work for you, it doesn't work for you.

01:24:36.000 Yeah, it's just, it's the trial and error and the learning as you go along is so interesting because, you know, you lose a fight and then you go, God, what did we fuck up on?

01:24:45.000 Where did we go wrong?

01:24:45.000 What do we need to do better?

01:24:46.000 Yeah, and then, you know, maybe, you know, you get that Joe Silva call, like, hey, you know, we have a fight in eight weeks.

01:24:53.000 You ready to take it?

01:24:54.000 I had Joe Silva call me when I was up on a ladder doing electrical work in the mountains to fight in two weeks, and it was against Jonathan Goulet.

01:25:00.000 So I said...

01:25:02.000 Sure.

01:25:03.000 I take the fight and then I text boss right away or I call him and I say, can you train me?

01:25:07.000 He's like, sure.

01:25:07.000 So, go out for a week.

01:25:08.000 So, yeah, going back to the point.

01:25:09.000 That worked out well.

01:25:10.000 The fastest KO in history.

01:25:12.000 Ever.

01:25:13.000 Ever.

01:25:13.000 We had a fight for that, dude.

01:25:15.000 We had a fight for that one.

01:25:16.000 Yes, sir.

01:25:16.000 Mr. Rogan, thank you, sir.

01:25:18.000 I appreciate that.

01:25:18.000 Goddamn, there's so many people hating on him having the fastest KO in history.

01:25:21.000 There's a lot of fucking debate. 0.99

01:25:24.000 I was like, the referee, it's wrong. 0.99

01:25:26.000 It was a wrong call.

01:25:28.000 They were saying it was like 11 seconds or something like that.

01:25:30.000 Yes, sir. 1.00

01:25:30.000 Like, bullshit. 1.00

01:25:31.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:25:31.000 That was sick. 1.00

01:25:32.000 We played it over and over and over again.

01:25:34.000 That was fun.

01:25:34.000 We were working on that exact technique, just pulling down the jab, going overhand, right in the back with Sensei, and just repped it out, ripped it out.

01:25:41.000 It was so fun because I'm leaning over the cage, and I'm saying, Dwayne, he's going to come up straight forward.

01:25:47.000 I want you to step to the side and just knock him out. 1.00

01:25:49.000 You will hear me say that, repeating it over and over.

01:25:51.000 I say, I don't know what, because every time I have that, I have one time I say, he's opening with the right low kick, I want you to counter it.

01:25:56.000 And then the guy opens with the right low kick, and how do you know?

01:25:58.000 I say, I have no clue.

01:25:59.000 Every time he works with us, with Jens Pulver, how we knocked him out, that combination we worked in the dressing room before.

01:26:05.000 Boom.

01:26:06.000 I mean, it's all the time.

01:26:07.000 With Goulet, for some reason, I go, he's going to come straight at you, just move out, and just counter.

01:26:12.000 Don't you think it's kind of data chunking?

01:26:14.000 You've seen so many fights, you've trained so many people, you just see things.

01:26:18.000 And you don't even know what you're seeing.

01:26:20.000 You know how sometimes you'll see a guy, like I call it all the time, I'll see a guy lift his heel up and he's about to throw a right kick.

01:26:25.000 Like you just know, just for whatever reason.

01:26:28.000 Twist a little bit, you know his back kick is coming. 0.75

01:26:30.000 And then, the funny part is when he does a back kick, 9 out of 10 times, the other one throws a back kick.

01:26:35.000 So I always thought, I'm going to do this on purpose and hopefully when he makes one, I'm going to catch it.

01:26:40.000 A little off-beats.

01:26:43.000 Off-beats, yes sir.

01:26:44.000 Like, I could do this too.

01:26:46.000 It's crazy when people throw backkicks.

01:26:50.000 Probably the most ill-advised backkick of all time was Chris Weidman vs.

01:26:54.000 Luke Rockwell.

01:26:55.000 Was that called at the moment?

01:26:58.000 What do you mean?

01:26:58.000 Did his corner call it at the moment?

01:27:00.000 I don't know if he called it.

01:27:01.000 I think maybe it's because Luke had been knocked out by Vitor.

01:27:04.000 Right, yeah.

01:27:05.000 With a wheel kick.

01:27:06.000 So maybe, I'm just guessing, that Chris decided to throw a wheel kick.

01:27:10.000 But it was like, you could see it coming.

01:27:11.000 It wasn't fast.

01:27:12.000 No, if you don't know 100% how to kick, I said don't kick.

01:27:16.000 And he shouldn't have done it.

01:27:17.000 It was way too slow, and they saw it coming.

01:27:19.000 Off a memory of that, though, when Vitor Belford did it, I think I remember correctly, Rockhold was against the cage, correct?

01:27:28.000 Because he was trying to circle off, right?

01:27:29.000 Yeah, so he was aware of the cage.

01:27:31.000 Now, Wideman's back was against the cage.

01:27:33.000 I thought he was closer to the cage than Luke was in that fight.

01:27:35.000 I don't believe so.

01:27:36.000 No?

01:27:37.000 I believe it was the same thing.

01:27:39.000 He was moving towards Rockhold.

01:27:41.000 I don't remember though.

01:27:41.000 The correct direction?

01:27:42.000 But I remember Vitor threw it before, and it was the first time I'd ever seen him throw a wheel kick.

01:27:46.000 He threw it right before against Rockhold and missed, and he threw it again and landed it.

01:27:50.000 Caught him.

01:27:50.000 Nice.

01:27:51.000 But he was just...

01:27:52.000 That was a TRT tour.

01:27:54.000 That was a different Vitor.

01:27:57.000 He told me before, he says, boss, my kicks are going to be getting really good right now. 0.96

01:28:02.000 I'm going to knock somebody out with a spinning back into the head. 0.89

01:28:05.000 I said, go for it, dude. 0.97

01:28:06.000 And then he knocked him out.

01:28:07.000 Well, Vitor has had so many hand surgeries.

01:28:10.000 I believe he's had eight different hand surgeries.

01:28:13.000 He's broken his hand so many times that I think he just started concentrating more on kicks.

01:28:17.000 I see that.

01:28:18.000 It made a big difference.

01:28:19.000 This is going back to patterns.

01:28:21.000 People lift the heel up, you know they're going to throw something.

01:28:23.000 Well, figure out what they're going to do in that same theory is paying attention to what combinations and what techniques actually land and then chucking those together and making those the system.

01:28:32.000 So just going back to the language and the vocabulary of high percentage combinations, drill them and rep them out.

01:28:38.000 So it's not too bad.

01:28:40.000 Know how to really deliver a technique before you attempt it.

01:28:43.000 Like, the first time I ever saw Cain Velasquez throw a wheel kick ever was in the Travis Brown fight. 0.97

01:28:48.000 And it looked fucking perfect. 0.84

01:28:50.000 I was like, what has this guy been hiding this forever? 0.98

01:28:52.000 Like, he never threw a wheel kick and all of a sudden it's a perfect wheel kick.

01:28:55.000 But it's probably because he had practiced it and drilled it to the point where he's got it down.

01:29:00.000 It's like, alright, time to unleash the wheel kick.

01:29:01.000 He has a lifelong martial artist in his corner, Javier Hernandez.

01:29:05.000 So I'm sure he's seen a million back kicks and can correct him on what to do properly rather than what he's doing wrong.

01:29:10.000 Yeah, but it's interesting when you see a guy out of nowhere pull a technique that you've never seen before.

01:29:16.000 Well, I love athletes.

01:29:17.000 I can show TJ anything, right?

01:29:18.000 Or watch videos and see something.

01:29:20.000 He can pull it off right away.

01:29:20.000 He's a great visual learner.

01:29:21.000 I'm a great visual learner.

01:29:22.000 So the sensei, I can learn by watching tapes and watching somebody do something.

01:29:26.000 I can just mimic it.

01:29:27.000 So can TJ, so can Sensei.

01:29:29.000 It's just the way it is.

01:29:30.000 I wonder what the next technique that we're going to see that we couldn't believe someone's pulling off inside the octagon.

01:29:36.000 Interesting, yeah.

01:29:36.000 It's been a clothesline, boss with his clothesline, and elbows to the collarbones.

01:29:42.000 I saw somebody land a clothesline recently.

01:29:44.000 When you do that, that fight's gonna be over.

01:29:46.000 I saw someone do that, and I was thinking of you, because you've talked about that so many times, that like, go up to a bag, yeah.

01:29:52.000 They attach to us both on the Twitter feed, right?

01:29:54.000 It was on Twitter somebody else.

01:29:55.000 Yes!

01:29:56.000 It's a clothesline.

01:29:57.000 Yeah.

01:29:57.000 But the clothesline, if you really do it, they can cover up with their hands, but you're still gonna hit them.

01:30:01.000 You loop around, and you loop around to the back of the head, which still outside the Mohawk.

01:30:05.000 Yes.

01:30:06.000 It's still a legal punch.

01:30:07.000 Well, I know feet is completely illegal.

01:30:08.000 He moved his head or didn't move his head, and it's his fault.

01:30:10.000 Well, also, Eddie Bravo and I had a conversation about this.

01:30:14.000 When you hit a guy with a head kick, a lot of times it's landing on the back of the head.

01:30:18.000 A lot of times.

01:30:20.000 It's coming over the shoulder.

01:30:21.000 A lot of times, the foot is impacting, the instep is hitting the back of the head before anything.

01:30:26.000 And nobody's ready for that impact.

01:30:27.000 Everybody's impact ready for the sides and to the front.

01:30:31.000 Tyson, his hooks, he was always the smallest guy, shortest guy, but he would hit his hook almost to the back of the head.

01:30:38.000 His hooks were so short.

01:30:40.000 I always say, just hit yourself really gentle with the palm in the back of your head. 0.94

01:30:45.000 Your brain is simply not ready for that.

01:30:47.000 Yeah, one of the best head kick KOs I've ever seen that came from the back of the head was Ernesto Hoos versus Maury Smith.

01:30:53.000 Nice.

01:30:54.000 Did you ever see that combination?

01:30:55.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:30:56.000 Jamie, find that because it's such a crazy combination.

01:30:58.000 The way Hoos gets his leg up, they're in the middle of a clinch and...

01:31:04.000 Maurice, I believe, picks his knee up and Hoost comes over the top and down behind his head.

01:31:11.000 Saxo Janjira style.

01:31:12.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:31:12.000 He used to do this.

01:31:13.000 Yeah, he just did a seminar at the academy.

01:31:14.000 Kicking over the defense.

01:31:15.000 Yeah.

01:31:16.000 Right there. 0.89

01:31:17.000 And just like what you said before is, say you take a punch mitt and put it on the head. 0.66

01:31:20.000 You're going to let me just hit the punch mitt?

01:31:21.000 Like if you have your hands up?

01:31:22.000 It makes no sense.

01:31:23.000 Yeah.

01:31:23.000 So, you know, having your hands up, you think the guy's protected now?

01:31:26.000 Don't punch him?

01:31:27.000 Put your hands up. 1.00

01:31:28.000 Let me punch your hands. 1.00

01:31:29.000 That's something I've always got from Sensei. 0.99

01:31:31.000 Especially kick.

01:31:31.000 Block my kick.

01:31:32.000 Come on.

01:31:32.000 It's a misconception of people.

01:31:34.000 When they put their hands up, but this is what goes on.

01:31:37.000 If I want to kick you in the head and I see you put your hand up, a normal person automatically takes the power of the kick because he sees he's defended.

01:31:43.000 But if he just would not care and just kick as hard as he can on the defense, he will kick him out. 0.99

01:31:48.000 He's going to knock him out.

01:31:49.000 This last weekend we saw Yancy Medeiros fought Sean Spencer.

01:31:52.000 Spencer blocked the kick and he took it right to the head. 1.00

01:31:55.000 Check this out real quick.

01:31:56.000 This is Maury Smith versus Ernesto Hoos.

01:32:00.000 Play the whole thing so you can see the combination.

01:32:03.000 See?

01:32:03.000 Boom!

01:32:04.000 Look how he does it in the clench with the knee.

01:32:08.000 Boom! 0.99

01:32:09.000 Nice.

01:32:10.000 Yeah, that is Rommel Decker's kind of style, you know?

01:32:13.000 Like the push and the kick to the head.

01:32:14.000 He started with that at all.

01:32:15.000 There's a way he was able to bring it up and around like that, too.

01:32:19.000 It's just crazy technique.

01:32:20.000 If you realize when he's in a clinch, he'll block the shoulder and almost pull his hand down for him.

01:32:23.000 Yeah.

01:32:23.000 He kind of guides his hand out of the way so his kick's going to come up and land behind the head, too.

01:32:26.000 That's also where flexibility is so critical.

01:32:29.000 Like, there's no more important thing when it comes to kicking technique than flexibility.

01:32:34.000 Because if you don't have the flexibility, your body's all stiff and it doesn't move right, and you just can't...

01:32:39.000 There's no one can do that unless you're flexible.

01:32:42.000 Yeah, gotta stretch.

01:32:43.000 Gotta do the stretching routine.

01:32:44.000 Oh, this is a complete animal, man.

01:32:45.000 He's such a good guy.

01:32:46.000 Oh, who's the best?

01:32:47.000 In all the fights, him and Cayman, and all this...

01:32:50.000 Who was that one Croatian dude that kept knocking him out? 1.00

01:32:54.000 That fucking guy hit so hard! 1.00

01:32:57.000 What an animal! 1.00

01:33:00.000 He was the first K1 champion.

01:33:02.000 He was an owl.

01:33:02.000 That's right.

01:33:04.000 He knocked him out.

01:33:07.000 Yeah, his muscles also, when you see it, it's like a different kind of muscle, it almost looks like.

01:33:11.000 It's very strong.

01:33:13.000 Yeah, there's some dudes like that.

01:33:14.000 It took a long time for him to break the ice with me, and suddenly he came to me and he goes, you're a funny guy.

01:33:22.000 But it took like four times of meeting him.

01:33:24.000 He had no clue what to expect.

01:33:26.000 That's a hard part of the world.

01:33:29.000 It's a hard part of the world.

01:33:31.000 Probably tough to relax in that area.

01:33:33.000 Gotta be on guard the whole time.

01:33:34.000 I think to this day, the greatest stare down of all time was Krokop vs. 0.99

01:33:38.000 Vandele.

01:33:39.000 Vandele would mean mug everybody and it would work. 1.00

01:33:42.000 He looked at Krokop and Krokop looked at him like, motherfucker, I'll cut your head off. 1.00

01:33:48.000 He was a little too high with the kick. 1.00

01:33:51.000 That was the second fight, but in the first fight, I mean, you never saw the eyes of a killer more than that one time.

01:33:59.000 Because, I mean, he was ahead of an anti-terrorist squadron in Croatia.

01:34:03.000 But you see, I go back again.

01:34:05.000 That was Vendelay always intimidating somebody, and now you have suddenly a guy who does not care.

01:34:09.000 Not only that, your strong suit is striking, and you're taking on one of the most explosive strikers to ever compete in MMA, and a guy who, you know, was a legit K-1 level striker.

01:34:20.000 You know, it's interesting how that style really worked really well.

01:34:25.000 Like, here it is.

01:34:26.000 Like, look at this stare down.

01:34:28.000 Look at Kroko. 1.00

01:34:29.000 Get the fuck out of here! 1.00

01:34:31.000 Look at that fucking stare down! 1.00

01:34:32.000 I mean, that's goddamn terrifying, and I'm not even there! 1.00

01:34:37.000 That is legit as fuck. 0.99

01:34:39.000 He's not believing in Vandele very much. 0.99

01:34:41.000 But it's interesting because Krokop was successful in K1, but he was never the elite of the elite.

01:34:46.000 Right, agreed.

01:34:46.000 But his style, that explosive one-shot style, translated so well to MMA. Whereas maybe Ernesto's style would not have translated that well.

01:34:56.000 I see that.

01:34:56.000 Because he was more technical, he would set things up more.

01:34:59.000 What I say, no single kicks, I always say, because they can be countered.

01:35:03.000 And I always say, or you kick like Mirko Krokop.

01:35:06.000 Because if you then kick really hard on the defense, you're buying yourself a little bit more time because you force them to block it.

01:35:12.000 But some of these guys with the left kicks, if they're the orthodox, they can't kick.

01:35:16.000 I say, take the kick.

01:35:17.000 What are you going to do?

01:35:18.000 Is it going to give you a rash?

01:35:19.000 I mean, it's not going to do anything.

01:35:20.000 It's not going to kick a muscle.

01:35:21.000 Just counter the kick. 0.91

01:35:22.000 Well, when Krokov gets a full blast kick, you're going to be forced to block, and then you can counter, which buys him a little bit of time to get out of the way again.

01:35:30.000 That was TJ in his last fight with the sensei.

01:35:31.000 I just went for the kick and just step in and throw the cross, time him on the way in.

01:35:34.000 Well, there's levels to everything, right?

01:35:36.000 Yes, sir.

01:35:36.000 And there's levels to kicking.

01:35:38.000 And Edson Barboza's switch kick.

01:35:40.000 Nice, yes. 1.00

01:35:41.000 That's one of those things where I watch that and I go, what the fuck? 0.99

01:35:44.000 I've never seen anybody switch kick that fast. 0.99

01:35:47.000 He just...

01:35:48.000 His inside leg kick, he can win a whole fight with it.

01:35:53.000 A bunch of old Benny the Jet...

01:35:55.000 Oh, yes.

01:35:56.000 His spinning back into the body.

01:35:58.000 Oh, yeah.

01:35:59.000 Oh, his back into the body.

01:36:00.000 Against Fujiwara.

01:36:02.000 I mean, I saw that.

01:36:04.000 Kings of the Square Ring.

01:36:05.000 When you see him, you can hear the impact on the body.

01:36:09.000 It goes.

01:36:09.000 You see the guy crumble.

01:36:11.000 Benny the Jet was a bad motherfucker. 0.98

01:36:13.000 By far the best American kickboxer ever. 0.99

01:36:15.000 Yeah, he's without a doubt one of them, for sure.

01:36:18.000 I would say him, and then I would say Rick Rufus.

01:36:19.000 Such a pioneer, too.

01:36:20.000 I mean, he was doing that back when there was really no one at that level.

01:36:25.000 I mean, he was at such a high level.

01:36:26.000 Such a wild dude, too.

01:36:28.000 Again, Mexican! 1.00

01:36:29.000 Is he a Native American?

01:36:31.000 Is he?

01:36:32.000 Oh, is he?

01:36:33.000 I'm sorry.

01:36:33.000 Or maybe a mix, but I'm pretty sure.

01:36:35.000 Because he used to come out with the headdress and stuff as well.

01:36:36.000 That's right, Blinky Rodriguez, who was his brother-in-law, was...

01:36:40.000 I saw him in Holland, coming in, he was fighting Spang, Ewan Spang, who's a big, bright guy, strong, strong kickboxer, and Benny never fought with low kicks.

01:36:50.000 And Spang is murdering him in the first round. 1.00

01:36:53.000 Everybody's for Spang, Spang keeps going, and he gets low kick, low kick, I don't know how he stayed in the fight, Benny, right?

01:36:59.000 In the second round, he starts coming in a little bit, and it was five rounds, five at the time, because Thai boxing.

01:37:05.000 In the third round.

01:37:06.000 And now, Benny the Jet starts coming back.

01:37:08.000 And suddenly, Spong starts spitting out his mouthpiece because he needed an extra break and then he did it again and he did it again.

01:37:14.000 And there, it was like Rocky versus Ivan Drago.

01:37:16.000 You saw literally the whole audience change from being for the Dutch guy to be for Benny the Jet because they realized this guy is so tough and he keeps hanging in there.

01:37:25.000 And then, Benny the Jet stopped him in the fourth round.

01:37:27.000 It was the craziest thing.

01:37:28.000 People were going nuts.

01:37:30.000 When he spit out his mouthpiece, even Spong, everybody, boom! 1.00

01:37:34.000 He was a new hero there.

01:37:36.000 It was the coolest thing I've ever seen.

01:37:37.000 Did you watch Glory this weekend?

01:37:39.000 No, but I heard it was really good, right?

01:37:41.000 Yeah, Jason Willness knocked out Simon Marcus.

01:37:45.000 Oh, wow. 0.99

01:37:45.000 Fucking crazy. 0.99

01:37:46.000 And Marcus was lighting him up early in the fight. 1.00

01:37:49.000 Lighting him up.

01:37:49.000 He's like 44-2, right, Marcus?

01:37:51.000 Yeah.

01:37:52.000 Oh, three then, I guess.

01:37:53.000 Three now, yeah.

01:37:54.000 He lost to Schilling in that crazy fight where they went that extra round, and Schilling knocked him out with a right hook, which was an insane fight.

01:38:02.000 That was the tournament, too. 0.97

01:38:04.000 That was the first fight of that tournament, and Schilling fought two more A lot of times after that fucking crazy fight. 0.75

01:38:09.000 But the Willness fight, Simon Marcus was lighting him up, man, with Muay Thai. 0.61

01:38:14.000 And Willness is more of a boxer style.

01:38:16.000 And he was moving in and he had some success with combinations.

01:38:20.000 But then he caught him at the end of the round with a shot.

01:38:24.000 And Simon Marcus was kind of playing with him and lowered his hands and was smiling.

01:38:28.000 And he got hit with a couple of shots.

01:38:30.000 And the referee gave him a real questionable standing eight count.

01:38:33.000 And the commentators are screaming. 0.95

01:38:35.000 Joseph Valtellini was screaming, like, that's ridiculous. 0.99

01:38:37.000 They shouldn't do this. 0.93

01:38:39.000 The eight count's no good.

01:38:41.000 He wasn't about to go down.

01:38:42.000 There's no standing eight count in kickboxing.

01:38:43.000 Like, why'd they count him?

01:38:44.000 Like, they're saying that the ropes held him up. 0.95

01:38:47.000 Then the next round, Willness just fucking dropped him legit and hurt him bad and then dropped him again and finished him off. 0.95

01:38:53.000 For Hoover. 0.96

01:38:54.000 I'm looking forward to him fighting Badr Hari now. 0.70

01:38:56.000 December 10th, right? 0.98

01:38:58.000 Goddamn, that's going to be nuts. 1.00

01:39:00.000 Badr Hari is one of the scariest motherfuckers to ever walk the face of the planet. 1.00

01:39:04.000 I have no clue how he's still out. 1.00

01:39:07.000 Out of jail?

01:39:08.000 Out of jail.

01:39:08.000 I guess he's got money.

01:39:10.000 Oh, that's right.

01:39:10.000 Yeah, because they said it was maybe going to be in Morocco.

01:39:14.000 I go, don't do it in Morocco, dude, because if you beat him, that's going to be a problem, I think. 1.00

01:39:19.000 Yeah.

01:39:21.000 Didn't he rob a bank, right?

01:39:22.000 No.

01:39:23.000 No, not him, but he beat up some people.

01:39:25.000 Oh, Lee Murray.

01:39:26.000 Lee Murray went to Morocco.

01:39:27.000 Okay, okay, sorry.

01:39:29.000 With brass knuckles.

01:39:30.000 My story's better.

01:39:33.000 Well, he beat some guy up at a nightclub where he stomped his shin.

01:39:37.000 They held the guy down, and he allegedly stomped on his shin and snapped it in half.

01:39:44.000 See, that's not being a good person, y'all. 1.00

01:39:46.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

01:39:47.000 Like, damn, man. 1.00

01:39:48.000 I don't think that's what he was going for. 0.99

01:39:49.000 No, I don't think so.

01:39:50.000 I don't think he was going for the good person.

01:39:51.000 Yeah.

01:39:52.000 Stories like that, you have many of them from him.

01:39:55.000 Oh, man, that's not good.

01:39:56.000 Yeah, not good.

01:39:57.000 Obviously, I'm a huge fan of MMA. I think that MMA is the most exciting sport in the world, but there's some things that you see and And kickboxing that you just don't see in MMA because there's no threat of the takedown.

01:40:08.000 So you see these wild technical exchanges.

01:40:11.000 And in my opinion, we need more of that.

01:40:14.000 There's not enough eyes on it.

01:40:16.000 Just don't think enough people are paying attention.

01:40:18.000 Phenomenal show, Glory.

01:40:20.000 It's a phenomenal show.

01:40:21.000 That's right.

01:40:22.000 I don't understand the numbers.

01:40:23.000 Why is not many more people watching it?

01:40:27.000 And especially the guys who are complaining about not understanding mixed martial arts.

01:40:31.000 Well, punching and kicking.

01:40:32.000 Everybody can understand that.

01:40:33.000 85% knockout ratio.

01:40:37.000 It's a great show.

01:40:38.000 I love Glory, but I like Lion Fight better.

01:40:42.000 I like traditional Muay Thai.

01:40:44.000 I just feel like Glory would be even better if they just went Muay Thai.

01:40:47.000 Because why take away elbows?

01:40:49.000 Why no elbows?

01:40:51.000 I'm not a big fan of elbows just because of the cuts.

01:40:53.000 It cuts too easy, right?

01:40:54.000 I understand.

01:40:54.000 But then also limiting the clinch time because the clinch time can be boring, right?

01:40:58.000 So I think the K1 rules are more...

01:41:00.000 I like the K1 rules or glory rules better for that aspect, for the higher-paced fight.

01:41:04.000 Or just in the clinch, keep elbows, but in the clinch, just don't allow them to play around as long. 0.96

01:41:09.000 See, I understand what you're saying about elbows, but part of me is like, look...

01:41:14.000 It's a striking contest.

01:41:16.000 Why would you eliminate one of the best weapons in striking, which is elbows?

01:41:20.000 And Lion Fight has these...

01:41:21.000 I mean, look, they get cut up, like, for sure.

01:41:23.000 Like, do you see Gaston Bellanos as one of his face? 0.98

01:41:25.000 I mean, he gets cut the fuck up. 0.99

01:41:28.000 His opponents cut the fuck up. 1.00

01:41:30.000 They're blasting each other with spinning elbows. 0.99

01:41:31.000 But it's fun as hell to watch.

01:41:33.000 Yeah, definitely fun to watch.

01:41:35.000 I'm not trying to be in there anymore at all.

01:41:37.000 I'm done.

01:41:38.000 I'm good.

01:41:39.000 Much easier just coaching TJ and coaching the guys and teaching martial arts and eating what I want and hanging out.

01:41:45.000 I totally respect that.

01:41:48.000 I just think as a person who appreciates the purity of the art.

01:41:52.000 Yes, sir.

01:41:53.000 I just feel like there's no reason to take out those clinch battles, and there's no reason to take out those elbows. 0.79

01:41:59.000 Because the guys who are good at those clinch battles, you know, they just start fucking blasting each other with knees to the body, and it has a significant toll.

01:42:06.000 And then the elbow battles that they have inside the clinch, to me, it's a really important part of stand-up striking.

01:42:13.000 I see that.

01:42:13.000 Yes, sir.

01:42:14.000 Agreed.

01:42:15.000 We were talking about earlier Sexton Jinjura.

01:42:17.000 He just did a seminar at my academy and he showed us some really cool clinch elbow knee techniques.

01:42:21.000 It was nice to get it from an actual pure Muay Thai fighter to see his look and his perspective of what can happen in the clinch.

01:42:29.000 That was eye opening.

01:42:31.000 It was cool.

01:42:31.000 Yeah, I think if we didn't have those guys, we wouldn't know that.

01:42:35.000 We would have only the level of striking that we see in MMA. And I think, you know, when you go and you watch, like, a Ramon Deckers fight, you know, you watch, like, him in his prime, you realize, oh, okay, this is possible.

01:42:48.000 Like, there's levels to this fucking thing. 0.98

01:42:50.000 Jordan Mean, right? 1.00

01:42:51.000 Yeah.

01:42:51.000 His elbows.

01:42:53.000 Oh, man.

01:42:53.000 He retired.

01:42:54.000 Yeah.

01:42:54.000 No, he's coming back.

01:42:55.000 He is.

01:42:56.000 I heard, yeah.

01:42:57.000 His father is the boss of the MMA system also.

01:43:00.000 Yeah.

01:43:00.000 And he told me he's going to be back.

01:43:02.000 Yeah, he's a black woman to you, right? 0.98

01:43:04.000 Yep. 1.00

01:43:04.000 His father's a fucking savage. 1.00

01:43:06.000 There's a picture of him on his Instagram page. 1.00

01:43:08.000 He's like 50. He's fucking jerked. 1.00

01:43:10.000 He's still screaming like crazy. 1.00

01:43:11.000 He's fucking jerked. 0.99

01:43:12.000 Yeah, Jordan is a very, very talented guy, but he had so many fights as a young man. 1.00

01:43:18.000 I mean, I think he was only 24 or 25 when he retired, right?

01:43:21.000 That's what I tell everybody.

01:43:22.000 It's because they start competing too young.

01:43:24.000 He competed when he was 15, 16 years old.

01:43:26.000 They have to lie about his age.

01:43:28.000 You're going to burn out.

01:43:29.000 You shouldn't do that.

01:43:30.000 Everybody's asking me.

01:43:31.000 I met this girl now in Visalia, 12-year-old, Jenna.

01:43:35.000 I started following her.

01:43:36.000 I sent her a whole bunch of gear and stuff.

01:43:38.000 She says, watch me.

01:43:39.000 I'm going to be the next Ronda Rousey.

01:43:40.000 So I go, yeah, I want to see that.

01:43:42.000 But it's, you know, it's the training.

01:43:44.000 I told her, start sparring maybe when you're 15 years old.

01:43:48.000 Wait with that, because your brain is still wiring everything to your nerves, you know, at that age, and it stops at 14. Just give it two more years, you know, till all the connections are there, and then maybe start sparring.

01:43:59.000 But competing, I would just wait, wait for competing.

01:44:02.000 Don't go in this early, do jiu-jitsu, wrestling, do all that, but striking to the head, I think they should wait with that.

01:44:09.000 Even doing those things at a young age, you need to make sure they're fun.

01:44:11.000 I almost got burnt out of wrestling in 8th grade.

01:44:13.000 I wanted to quit.

01:44:14.000 I wanted to be done with wrestling.

01:44:15.000 That's too much.

01:44:15.000 It was just because every weekend I'm competing that I'm so nervous as a little kid.

01:44:18.000 I'm putting so much pressure on myself.

01:44:20.000 They're like, I gotta win this tournament.

01:44:22.000 I gotta do good.

01:44:22.000 My dad was my coach.

01:44:24.000 I wanted to impress him.

01:44:24.000 All this stuff.

01:44:26.000 8th grade, I almost just gave it up.

01:44:28.000 Wow.

01:44:28.000 But you've got to learn to have fun with everything.

01:44:30.000 As long as everything's fun, you can compete, do all that stuff.

01:44:34.000 I mean, obviously kickboxing is a little bit different because you're going through some brain trauma.

01:44:37.000 But even with the wrestling and jiu-jitsu, make sure it's fun.

01:44:40.000 If you've got a little kid that wants to do MMA or a little kid that wants to get involved in grappling and wrestling, make sure it's fun.

01:44:45.000 Go to practice, play in some games, do some things as well as learning technique because little kids will get burned out way too fast.

01:44:52.000 Yeah, but how many times?

01:44:53.000 Because we heard it in striking a lot, right?

01:44:55.000 AKA, they were striking, they got injuries and injuries there, and how many times should we can spar?

01:44:59.000 We spar two times a day.

01:45:01.000 Do we ever get injured?

01:45:02.000 No.

01:45:02.000 You and I are sparring?

01:45:03.000 No.

01:45:04.000 And we go. 0.97

01:45:05.000 If people watch, they're going to go, oh, these guys are crazy. 0.82

01:45:08.000 But we know exactly what we hit, where we kick it.

01:45:10.000 It's all about sparring partners.

01:45:11.000 Now, if you decide, oh, your great sparring partner doesn't show up and you get somebody from the club somewhere, yeah, who has this weird, he's not as professional, yeah, you get injured.

01:45:20.000 But I've never been injured in sparring. 0.98

01:45:23.000 Yeah, but you're a freak. 0.97

01:45:24.000 So, yeah. 0.99

01:45:27.000 Keep boss rooting. 1.00

01:45:28.000 Settle down.

01:45:29.000 Yeah.

01:45:30.000 But same with you.

01:45:31.000 You never get injured, right?

01:45:32.000 We all spar hard.

01:45:33.000 What did you think about Cowboy Cerrone deciding no more sparring?

01:45:36.000 He doesn't spar.

01:45:37.000 He just does drills.

01:45:38.000 He was talking about that and looked sensational in his last fight.

01:45:41.000 He looked sensational because he still was sparring before that.

01:45:47.000 You know, it's closer, but the furtiest tear away, it's like Lawler.

01:45:50.000 He said he never sparred and finally he started sparring.

01:45:52.000 He started sparring and he became much better.

01:45:54.000 See, I look at that.

01:45:56.000 I think your reflexes need to be tested all the time.

01:45:59.000 If you're going to fight, well, then you're going to have to fight in training because that's what's going to happen.

01:46:04.000 Unexpected things, unexpected techniques, you know, you need to be prepared for that.

01:46:07.000 If you just spar, you don't know what I'm going to throw at you.

01:46:10.000 You can visualize a counter on my right straight.

01:46:12.000 Well, what if I set it up as a one-two instead of just a right straight?

01:46:17.000 With that being said, we're talking about sparring, but it's not just full-on fight sparring, but there's a whole level of sparring drills that you can play with and mimic scenarios going back to the patterns, right?

01:46:26.000 Like, what's a typical pattern?

01:46:28.000 The jab, the cross, the rear low kick.

01:46:29.000 Learning how to deal with those things in the motion.

01:46:32.000 But while you're doing that drill, you have to have the clear mind like you're in the fight, but know that you're going to be countering the jab.

01:46:37.000 You're sending something up in the jab.

01:46:39.000 Not just going in fighting guys, I don't want this to be misled, where everyone's just fighting and sparring hard, but to do actual sparring drills, because there's a full path between hitting mitts and actual sparring, and then that's the web of the sparring drills.

01:46:50.000 Yeah, I think Cowboy also had an issue with cutting the weight, too.

01:46:54.000 Yes, sir.

01:46:54.000 Yeah, he looks good at 70. Cutting weight was just too much for him.

01:46:57.000 At 170, he's a fucking assassin. 0.97

01:46:59.000 I feel like when he went up to 170, there was a lot less pressure on him at first, too. 0.99

01:47:02.000 He got to go into a fight with just having fun and not thinking about, like, I'm supposed to win this fight.

01:47:07.000 For him, he's going to a completely different weight class.

01:47:09.000 What is there to lose, you know?

01:47:11.000 And so I think that's what's helped him out a lot, too.

01:47:12.000 And I think he's kind of catching his groove.

01:47:14.000 He looked awesome in the last fight.

01:47:15.000 Right body, left hook, right eye kick.

01:47:17.000 I loved it.

01:47:18.000 And it went all...

01:47:19.000 If you saw the body shot, it dug in there.

01:47:22.000 And then wrap it up with the high kick. 0.64

01:47:24.000 I loved it.

01:47:24.000 And the technique, the technical aspect, there was no wind-up, there was no muscle behind it.

01:47:30.000 Everything was just perfect.

01:47:32.000 Head kick. 0.99

01:47:33.000 It was just, God damn. 0.99

01:47:34.000 He's another guy as far as developing somebody. 0.99

01:47:36.000 I used to help him out when he was first training in Colorado.

01:47:39.000 And he was so wrapped up into his own style, I would try to say, no, do this and do that.

01:47:43.000 But then I realized, look, everyone needs to be their own athlete.

01:47:46.000 You've got to do what's good for you.

01:47:47.000 If it feels natural, go ahead.

01:47:49.000 And then he's just a prime example of someone you have to allow to be themself.

01:47:52.000 Right.

01:47:53.000 But just kind of guide a little bit here and there.

01:47:55.000 But he went down to Jackson's and look what he's done.

01:47:57.000 He's amazing now.

01:47:58.000 Well, he's such an individual.

01:47:59.000 Yes, sir.

01:47:59.000 As we all are, yeah.

01:48:00.000 Trying to put Cowboy in some other boxes. 1.00

01:48:03.000 He's just a fucking wild man. 0.99

01:48:06.000 Who's the weirdest guy you've ever worked with where you're like, Jesus, I don't even know if I can fucking help this guy. 0.99

01:48:13.000 Faber! 0.51

01:48:14.000 Faber?

01:48:15.000 Yeah.

01:48:18.000 He's not going to try to learn new things, though.

01:48:19.000 Yeah, he sat in the past, so you've got to respect that.

01:48:22.000 You've been successful, there you go, but the game has changed, now look at the results.

01:48:25.000 The game has changed, you have to change along with it.

01:48:27.000 The definition of insanity is doing the same thing, expecting different results.

01:48:31.000 You have to evolve, you have to...

01:48:33.000 Let the eagle go and continue to develop and train and learn.

01:48:36.000 That has to happen.

01:48:37.000 Well, you guys had personality conflicts for whatever reason, you know, no blame, but whatever they were, you guys had...

01:48:43.000 But it was a great time when we were together.

01:48:44.000 Like, look what happened.

01:48:45.000 Look what flourished, right?

01:48:46.000 Yeah.

01:48:46.000 I became much better as a martial art instructor, being able to work with all the athletes, right?

01:48:51.000 Everyone, we worked together, everybody arose.

01:48:52.000 So it was a good time.

01:48:53.000 It was a good win-win.

01:48:54.000 It worked out.

01:48:55.000 Time for me to go home and do my own thing, and things laid where they were.

01:48:59.000 Yeah.

01:48:59.000 You asked about why you know him as a good coach.

01:49:02.000 And the reason of that is what I already mentioned with the training.

01:49:05.000 He's always there.

01:49:06.000 He's always there on time.

01:49:07.000 He always goes full out.

01:49:09.000 And that work ethic he took to be a coach.

01:49:12.000 He will always be there with the guys cutting weight, doing everything.

01:49:16.000 I guarantee you they can call you at 3 o'clock in the middle of the night, the day before the fight.

01:49:19.000 As long as he's not naked breaking up pit bull fights.

01:49:22.000 Just give me 30 seconds.

01:49:23.000 I got this.

01:49:24.000 But that's it, you know?

01:49:25.000 That's it.

01:49:26.000 If you have that drive and you're so focused on one thing, you just put that focus on training.

01:49:32.000 I'll be training all day long, right?

01:49:33.000 I'll get home and want to just relax, veg out, maybe watch some TV, just do nothing, right?

01:49:37.000 And then maybe it'll be like 12 o'clock at night, I'll get a text from Dwayne, like, on something on my fight, what I should be doing, what I should be thinking about.

01:49:43.000 I'm like, Sorry.

01:49:44.000 Now I've got to think about this all night.

01:49:47.000 The reason why he's so great is, like you said, he's constantly thinking about it, and he cares how well I do.

01:49:52.000 Before you fought Hannon Burrell, I was eating lunch in Vegas at the hotel.

01:49:56.000 I had a bunch of my friends with me.

01:49:58.000 We're all getting ready for the fights.

01:50:00.000 Dwayne comes over.

01:50:00.000 Hey, man, come on, sit down.

01:50:02.000 How you feeling?

01:50:03.000 Boom! 0.99

01:50:03.000 Sits down and just... 0.99

01:50:05.000 This is what we're going to do.

01:50:06.000 He's going to sit.

01:50:07.000 The whole thing is movement.

01:50:08.000 It switches.

01:50:09.000 He gets to the side.

01:50:10.000 The whole thing.

01:50:10.000 Burrell has his style.

01:50:11.000 It's his style.

01:50:11.000 He goes like this.

01:50:12.000 And he just was like a fucking hundred miles an hour. 0.99

01:50:15.000 And then he's sitting there putting food in my mouth going. 0.98

01:50:18.000 And then he visited Kevin, James, Whiteman, and me in Vegas.

01:50:22.000 We were also in Vegas.

01:50:24.000 That's right, yeah.

01:50:24.000 And we still got the same thing.

01:50:25.000 Same thing.

01:50:27.000 What do you think?

01:50:28.000 This is good?

01:50:29.000 Boom! 0.99

01:50:30.000 But that's why you're so fucking good, you know? 0.98

01:50:33.000 And I don't like the term OCD, man. 0.97

01:50:35.000 Obsessed.

01:50:36.000 I've dedicated my life to the arts.

01:50:38.000 OCD is those weirdos who wash their hands a hundred times before they leave the house.

01:50:42.000 This is a different thing.

01:50:43.000 It's a positive obsession.

01:50:44.000 Yes, sir.

01:50:45.000 Yeah.

01:50:45.000 Again, I've dedicated my life to the arts.

01:50:47.000 Yeah, man.

01:50:48.000 So it's fun.

01:50:48.000 I love it.

01:50:49.000 Yeah, pretty much everybody at this table has.

01:50:51.000 Your method, though, is so uniquely Duane.

01:50:55.000 And I really love your system.

01:50:56.000 I think that's so critical, is that you've taken all your stuff and you've written it out and you put it into this system.

01:51:03.000 Where you can really learn.

01:51:05.000 And that's something I learned from Rob Kamen, too.

01:51:08.000 Rob Kamen, who's amazing, he has a system.

01:51:12.000 And one of the things that I learned when I was training with him was like, this guy has this system the same way a lot of jujitsu guys have a system.

01:51:19.000 You know, and it's like his system of breaking things down and movement and strikes, that it's all like, it has a pattern to it.

01:51:30.000 And you can follow this pattern, there's a progression to it.

01:51:33.000 And with the way the world is today, you can learn it all from him online.

01:51:37.000 He's so good at breaking things down and being able to film it and show it to people that you can go on his online academy and learn exactly what I'm doing.

01:51:44.000 Yeah, all you need is a willing participant.

01:51:46.000 Someone to train with you is going to do the same amount of work that you are.

01:51:50.000 Agreed.

01:51:50.000 Yeah, it's fun.

01:51:51.000 I love it.

01:51:52.000 I definitely love it.

01:51:53.000 It gives me thriving passion and a purpose, you know, to put energy into other humans and to watch them flourish and grow and get better.

01:52:00.000 And that's a feedback for me.

01:52:01.000 It's obvious.

01:52:02.000 I might be just doing it for myself, but it's a good service back first.

01:52:05.000 But I love to see people do good.

01:52:07.000 Well, I'm glad you're around, dude, because it makes it interesting.

01:52:09.000 And this is such a sucker-fucking-exciting time for MMA, man.

01:52:13.000 Yes, sir. 0.99

01:52:13.000 So much good shit is going on, boss. 0.99

01:52:15.000 Life is good. 1.00

01:52:15.000 Are you loving doing that show, the MMA show? 1.00

01:52:18.000 I love it.

01:52:18.000 You know, last time, I heard you on...

01:52:22.000 On the broadcasting, you're talking about the different levels of a knockdown, right?

01:52:26.000 And we had Herb Dean and Big Joe McCarthy, and Joe McCarthy was talking about the five levels of a knockdown, you know?

01:52:32.000 Once you start staggering, once you fall back, once you crumble, there's all different sides, you know?

01:52:37.000 And I think that...

01:52:37.000 I love those conversations, you know?

01:52:40.000 The round table, sit down with some professionals and talk about problems that we have right now, and then figuring it out.

01:52:45.000 And I love that.

01:52:46.000 And the show also is great.

01:52:47.000 I see new talent.

01:52:48.000 Like Conor McGregor in the beginning, we had him on...

01:52:52.000 So we see these guys come on the show, but also once in a while we got Mark Coleman or Don Fry.

01:52:58.000 I see my old buddies again.

01:52:59.000 It's just a fun show.

01:53:01.000 Boss, before you got here we were talking about eye pokes and we showed the Fabrizio Verdum, Travis Brown eye poke.

01:53:06.000 Did you see that?

01:53:06.000 Have you seen it?

01:53:07.000 Yeah, I heard about it. 0.99

01:53:08.000 Fucking crazy, like knuckle deep into Fabricio's eye. 0.98

01:53:11.000 What do you think could help that? 0.99

01:53:13.000 What do you think could fix that?

01:53:15.000 I think penalties.

01:53:16.000 I truly believe so, because if you look at Pancras, which was open-hand striking, we never stabbed each other in the eye.

01:53:21.000 And we have open hands!

01:53:22.000 How is that even possible, right?

01:53:24.000 So now, because we arch our hands backwards, because we want to hit with the palm.

01:53:29.000 And just the fact that when that happens, it won't happen in training, right?

01:53:33.000 And especially not at that cap.

01:53:35.000 Oh no, not anymore, of course.

01:53:36.000 Because if they come from Greg Jackson Winklejohn, I would say, well, Mike Winklejohn lost an eye, you know, with a nail.

01:53:43.000 Whether it was a footnail, okay, but still, you know.

01:53:46.000 Holding pads for somebody.

01:53:48.000 Holding pads.

01:53:49.000 Yeah, that's what happens.

01:53:50.000 It's very dangerous, yeah.

01:53:50.000 No, but I think once you say, listen, if you're known to do that, that it happened with you in the past, a referee should be allowed to go before there and say, listen, when I poke, I'm going to give you a red card.

01:54:02.000 And I think that will stop it.

01:54:04.000 Because people are going to become more careful.

01:54:06.000 Red card, which in pride would cost you 10% of your purse.

01:54:11.000 I think the point deduction.

01:54:12.000 I think one point every time.

01:54:14.000 I think no warnings for an eye poke.

01:54:16.000 I think the gloves.

01:54:17.000 I think the gloves too.

01:54:18.000 But I think that even if you take a point away from a guy, if you warn him, that person you poked in the eye is still damaged by that.

01:54:28.000 So even if he says it's an accident, it doesn't matter.

01:54:31.000 One point.

01:54:31.000 Either way.

01:54:32.000 Even if it's an accident.

01:54:33.000 Even if it's obviously an accident.

01:54:35.000 Both.

01:54:35.000 If your fingers go into someone's eye and you know it's going to cause a point, everyone is going to curl their knuckles back.

01:54:40.000 Be more accountable for it, right?

01:54:41.000 Yes, sir.

01:54:42.000 I see that.

01:54:43.000 Yeah, so gloves and penalties.

01:54:45.000 Or a beating afterwards if you do it.

01:54:47.000 I hate to believe anybody's doing it on purpose, but someone must be doing it on purpose.

01:54:53.000 Some, I feel, are kind of aware of that.

01:54:56.000 They have to be.

01:54:57.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:54:58.000 How often is that happening in training?

01:55:00.000 I don't know.

01:55:01.000 Some of them do look deliberate.

01:55:04.000 It's like kicks in the pills.

01:55:05.000 I mean, Christoph Suszynski was one time fighting, and he got kicked six times, I believe, it might even be seven, in the pills, and he goes back to the corner. 0.98

01:55:12.000 The pills are the balls, ladies and gentlemen. 0.98

01:55:13.000 And I go, kick him back! 1.00

01:55:16.000 Yeah. 0.94

01:55:16.000 That's my answer. 0.94

01:55:17.000 I say, he's not getting a warning, so do it back.

01:55:20.000 Yes, sir.

01:55:20.000 Right?

01:55:21.000 Then he knows how it feels, and hopefully he's going to stop.

01:55:23.000 But Christoph is too nice of a guy.

01:55:25.000 He didn't do it.

01:55:26.000 There's a few fights where you go, ooh, I've got to wonder whether or not that's on purpose.

01:55:31.000 Did you see Czech Congo versus Krokop?

01:55:34.000 He just waylaid him in the sack.

01:55:37.000 Wham!

01:55:37.000 Like, more than once.

01:55:38.000 I mean, it was several good blows.

01:55:41.000 Most of the time, it's bad technique.

01:55:43.000 Most of the time, it's with the lead leg, and they don't step open the right foot, so the angle cannot go like a 90-degree angle into the muscle, and it kicks straight up.

01:55:51.000 And Beecher goes, look, if everybody who gets kicked in the pills, I guarantee you, the leg that they're standing on, the toes are pointing forward.

01:55:57.000 If they would point to the side, it would be okay.

01:55:59.000 Well, with check, I believe it was knees and a clinch.

01:56:03.000 Oh.

01:56:03.000 I think it was just right to the sack.

01:56:06.000 But it's a Thai boxer.

01:56:06.000 Yeah.

01:56:07.000 A Thai boxer, you should know that.

01:56:08.000 I never need anybody to pill.

01:56:09.000 I did once, actually, but that was on purpose.

01:56:12.000 Yeah, see?

01:56:13.000 That was against Renee Rosen. 1.00

01:56:14.000 You know, if I could find video from that.

01:56:18.000 That is the best.

01:56:19.000 So I fight Rene Rose.

01:56:21.000 You heard about him, right?

01:56:22.000 The total guy from... 0.99

01:56:23.000 Total psychopath, I say. 0.99

01:56:24.000 And he does always illegal things. 0.98

01:56:26.000 So we're fighting him. 0.98

01:56:26.000 And the first round, I beat the crap out of him. 0.98

01:56:28.000 And the second round, we come out and we're clinching and he bites in my ear. 0.86

01:56:32.000 And I'm shouting, let go, let go, let go!

01:56:35.000 And then you see my knee going all the way back.

01:56:37.000 And then I knee him.

01:56:38.000 He comes loose from the ground.

01:56:40.000 That's hard.

01:56:40.000 I knee him in the pills.

01:56:41.000 He goes down, and I wanted to attack him on the ground, but they pulled me off, and then Cora Hammers was in my corner. 1.00

01:56:47.000 Now, he brought all his friends.

01:56:49.000 He had Hells Angels with him, and I had all my bouncers' friends with me, and they all started fighting.

01:56:55.000 They threw a chair into the ring. 1.00

01:56:57.000 It bounced off Cora Hammers' back. 1.00

01:56:59.000 It lands behind me.

01:57:00.000 If you see the video, man, it lands behind me.

01:57:03.000 I look behind me.

01:57:03.000 I see the chair.

01:57:04.000 I sit in the chair while I watch everybody fighting.

01:57:09.000 And then later they cleared everybody, everybody tore down because the referee took, he says, why did you do it?

01:57:14.000 I said, look at my ear.

01:57:15.000 And it was a hole straight through my ear.

01:57:17.000 He bit straight through my ear, a hole in there.

01:57:19.000 And then he grabbed the microphone and he announced to everybody, whoa, whoa, whoa.

01:57:22.000 He's got a hole in his ear.

01:57:23.000 He bit his ear.

01:57:24.000 That's why he did.

01:57:25.000 And then everybody calmed down.

01:57:26.000 Oh, wow.

01:57:27.000 And did you continue the fight?

01:57:29.000 No, no, no, that wasn't it.

01:57:30.000 It was a hard knee.

01:57:34.000 Wow.

01:57:35.000 It's like the Wild Wild West.

01:57:36.000 That was a good one. 0.99

01:57:37.000 Eddie Bravo thinks he should be able to hit a guy in the back of the head.

01:57:40.000 He thinks that when you take a guy's back, that when the old days of MMA, when a guy had two hooks in, you almost didn't go to the rear naked choke.

01:57:48.000 You just blast a guy in the back of the head with elbows.

01:57:50.000 Yeah, that's right, but then we go again before rules, right?

01:57:53.000 What was that?

01:57:55.000 Henzo?

01:57:56.000 Henzo did that to the judo guy, huh?

01:57:58.000 Yeah, what's his name?

01:57:59.000 Stryker?

01:58:00.000 Yeah, something.

01:58:01.000 From Holland.

01:58:02.000 Spikers. 0.94

01:58:03.000 Spikers. 0.94

01:58:03.000 Ben Spikers. 0.94

01:58:04.000 Ben Spikers.

01:58:05.000 Yeah, the judo guy. 0.97

01:58:06.000 Apparently that guy was fucking with Henzo, kept calling his room. 0.98

01:58:09.000 I love Henzo. 0.98

01:58:09.000 Calling his hotel room all night. 0.98

01:58:11.000 So Henzo was like, oh, okay.

01:58:13.000 And did you see what he stepped on his face at the end?

01:58:15.000 Stepped on his face after he smashed him.

01:58:17.000 Yeah.

01:58:19.000 That's what guys would do.

01:58:20.000 They would take someone's back.

01:58:21.000 I remember Half Gracey fought somebody. 0.86

01:58:22.000 I forget who it was, but he got a hooks in and just BOOM! BOOM! BOOM! Right to the base of the skull.

01:58:30.000 It's so effective though.

01:58:32.000 I know, but it's the longevity of the crew.

01:58:34.000 It keeps your spine intact.

01:58:37.000 Here's Henzo.

01:58:38.000 Oh, nice.

01:58:39.000 Oh, this is actually...

01:58:41.000 Okay.

01:58:42.000 Look at that cage.

01:58:43.000 Just duct tape around it.

01:58:45.000 So he gets his back, he flattens him out, and then here it comes.

01:58:48.000 Boom! 0.99

01:58:49.000 Boom! 0.99

01:58:50.000 Boom! 0.99

01:58:51.000 Yeah, I mean, that is the way to open up that choke, man.

01:58:56.000 You can't defend once someone starts raining those elbows down. 1.00

01:58:59.000 And you know, you can cover that shit up all you want. 1.00

01:59:01.000 Now he's tapping. 1.00

01:59:02.000 Now watch this.

01:59:02.000 When he goes away, what he's gonna do...

01:59:05.000 He gets up and steps on his head.

01:59:08.000 That's right, yeah.

01:59:09.000 That's my Hanzo!

01:59:10.000 Hanzo! 0.98

01:59:12.000 Hanzo's awesome.

01:59:12.000 World Combat Championship.

01:59:14.000 He's a master.

01:59:14.000 That was, I think, the same.

01:59:15.000 Look at it.

01:59:16.000 He helps him up.

01:59:17.000 Hey, roll over, buddy.

01:59:17.000 After he stepped on his head.

01:59:18.000 We're pals now.

01:59:19.000 Oh, this is the Peoples.

01:59:20.000 Wow.

01:59:20.000 Yeah.

01:59:21.000 Nice.

01:59:21.000 He beat the fuck out of that, dude.

01:59:22.000 That was a good one. 0.99

01:59:23.000 That was, I think, the same event where Murillo Bustamante fought Tom Erickson and they fought for like fucking 90 minutes. 0.92

01:59:32.000 It was one of those crazy fights. 0.73

01:59:33.000 It was like a 45 minute fight, I think it was, honestly.

01:59:35.000 Wow.

01:59:36.000 It was a crazy fight because they didn't have like an ending to those things.

01:59:39.000 They didn't, you know, you just fought.

01:59:40.000 He had only 90 minutes for Sakuraba and Hoyt.

01:59:42.000 Remember that?

01:59:43.000 Yeah.

01:59:43.000 That's right.

01:59:44.000 But they did rounds.

01:59:45.000 They did rounds.

01:59:46.000 I don't think Murillo and Erickson did rounds.

01:59:47.000 I think it was just one long...

01:59:49.000 I don't remember.

01:59:49.000 But I remember Erickson at the time, he's like the forgotten heavyweight.

01:59:54.000 When he was in his prime, he was... 0.99

01:59:57.000 Fucking terrifying. 0.99

01:59:58.000 Because he was a natural 300 pound gorilla. 0.99

02:00:02.000 Yeah.

02:00:02.000 An enormous wrestler.

02:00:04.000 And he could hit so fucking hard. 0.94

02:00:06.000 I remember he knocked out Kevin Randleman. 0.98

02:00:08.000 He hit Kevin Randleman with a left hook and knocked him out.

02:00:10.000 But I was like, Jesus Christ.

02:00:11.000 He was one of the scariest guys for his time.

02:00:14.000 But just kind of missed the window.

02:00:16.000 He was really scary in the early days of MMA. Nobody wanted to fight him.

02:00:22.000 Bustamante, though.

02:00:23.000 Super tough, man.

02:00:24.000 What a great guy.

02:00:26.000 Remember we tapped Matt Linlin twice?

02:00:28.000 You had to tap him twice?

02:00:29.000 Linlin was like, nothing happened!

02:00:31.000 I didn't tap!

02:00:32.000 And they believed him.

02:00:33.000 Big John actually talked about that on our show.

02:00:37.000 He said, yeah, that was a bad one for me because...

02:00:39.000 I didn't see it.

02:00:41.000 And that's what people should understand at home.

02:00:44.000 Same as the referees, especially of Dean and Big John, they're so invested.

02:00:49.000 They love the sport so much.

02:00:50.000 There's so much there for the fighters.

02:00:53.000 So when they make a bad call, it hurts them as well.

02:00:57.000 But then to get the avalanche of all the people on the internet, come on.

02:01:02.000 Everybody's human.

02:01:02.000 And we were talking about, I believe...

02:01:04.000 Four calls or three calls that they were talking about with Herb Dean.

02:01:09.000 Herb Dean had over 7,500 matches he did.

02:01:12.000 Like, oh, the odds are great.

02:01:13.000 I like those odds.

02:01:14.000 Only four mistakes and 7,500 matches.

02:01:16.000 You're doing a good job.

02:01:18.000 Well, both of those guys are the gold standard.

02:01:20.000 Herb Dean and John McCarthy, that's the gold standard.

02:01:22.000 I mean, you know who was really good before he went away for selling weed?

02:01:26.000 Josh Rosenthal.

02:01:27.000 Yeah, he did my last fight.

02:01:28.000 He's very good.

02:01:29.000 He's a very good referee.

02:01:30.000 So crazy he went away for something like that.

02:01:31.000 So crazy.

02:01:32.000 Well, he went away from selling weed, and he had a little bit of an arsenal.

02:01:36.000 A few illegal guns.

02:01:40.000 Selling a little bit, only 12 acres of weed, or what was it?

02:01:42.000 Hey, nothing wrong with that.

02:01:44.000 It's just helping the world.

02:01:45.000 But the real problem was, I believe guns were involved, and that's one thing.

02:01:49.000 But yeah, you're going to sell weed illegally.

02:01:51.000 You've got to protect yourself.

02:01:53.000 It's unfortunate.

02:01:54.000 The whole thing's unfortunate.

02:01:55.000 But he was a very good referee.

02:01:57.000 Very good referee.

02:01:58.000 Very good martial artist, too.

02:01:59.000 Yeah, he always trained.

02:02:00.000 And I respect that, obviously, having people in the field.

02:02:03.000 If you're going to work in the field, you should actually train in the field.

02:02:05.000 That's what I wanted to bring up to you.

02:02:08.000 What did you think about the Travis Brown-Fabricio Verdun fight where Travis called time?

02:02:12.000 He got his finger jammed.

02:02:14.000 Fabricio threw a punch, and Travis's finger apparently broke, and there's some photos of it now online. 0.99

02:02:21.000 It's fucking nasty. 0.94

02:02:22.000 It shows you how tough Travis is that he continued with his finger smashed, and it was a compound fracture where the bone broke through the skin. 0.99

02:02:30.000 That's one picture, but there's some even better ones that he released today where you could see it after the fight.

02:02:36.000 It was a nasty break, but...

02:02:38.000 So it was a weird thing where Fabricio threw this punch and he threw like one of those Chuck Liddell style overhands that come over the top and it landed on the fingers of Travis and snapped one of his finger.

02:02:50.000 So Travis calls time, which you really can't do. 0.98

02:02:53.000 He's like, my finger's fucked up. 0.99

02:02:54.000 He calls time. 0.99

02:02:56.000 Scroll up though and you see the actual opening.

02:03:00.000 Here comes the boom.

02:03:01.000 He says timeout, right?

02:03:02.000 Yeah.

02:03:02.000 Kevin James said.

02:03:04.000 So he cannot do that.

02:03:05.000 Against Maurice Smith.

02:03:06.000 Did they stop it?

02:03:07.000 Did they give me time?

02:03:09.000 Sorry.

02:03:10.000 Oh, that's right.

02:03:11.000 You did that, boss.

02:03:12.000 You did that in a fight.

02:03:13.000 Yeah, Maurice.

02:03:15.000 No, I like that, yeah.

02:03:17.000 I kicked him in the head, and then I got excited and wanted to give him another kick in the head, but I slip, and I fall on the ground, and Maurice wants to jump on top of me, and I put my hand up.

02:03:25.000 I say, wait.

02:03:26.000 And he stops, and I'm getting up, and I go, thank you.

02:03:30.000 That's composure, huh?

02:03:32.000 That's ninja.

02:03:32.000 It's a trick.

02:03:33.000 You know, another one that's pretty funny, if anybody, was with Jason DeLucia.

02:03:40.000 I dropped him with his liver shot, right?

02:03:41.000 And then I walked towards him, and you see what I'm doing.

02:03:44.000 I stretch my arm above me, and I wave with my hand, and you see him looking up to my hand, and then I liver kick him again.

02:03:52.000 I just put my hand up and say, yeah, look at this.

02:03:55.000 He actually looks there. 0.98

02:03:56.000 That's so ridiculous. 0.98

02:03:57.000 That's good composure, right? 0.99

02:03:58.000 We actually use that stuff all the time.

02:03:59.000 The bird.

02:04:00.000 The bird.

02:04:01.000 So there's Master Tong.

02:04:03.000 Master Tong, he's my first striking coach at Alpha Male.

02:04:06.000 And when Dwayne first started to come to teach at Alpha Male, I think it was my second fight you were there.

02:04:12.000 We were in San Jose against Hugo Vianna.

02:04:15.000 And we're in the hotel room, day of the fight, just kind of hanging out, just waiting, and Master Tong's just in the bed.

02:04:21.000 He sleeps all day long, and then he's in the bed just hanging out.

02:04:24.000 Dwayne comes to hang out with us, and he's telling Master Tong a story, and Master Tong's kind of looking at him like he's paying attention.

02:04:30.000 But then he looks at Dwayne and he goes, bird!

02:04:32.000 And we're inside a hotel room, right?

02:04:34.000 And Dwayne looks over and looks if there's a bird.

02:04:36.000 And as Dwayne turns back to start talking to him again, he's rolled over on the bed and looking the other direction and sleeping.

02:04:41.000 So he faked him out.

02:04:42.000 He juked me.

02:04:43.000 He's like, look over there while I turn over and go to sleep.

02:04:45.000 He couldn't deal with the barrage of the Ludwig.

02:04:48.000 Talking fast.

02:04:49.000 He doesn't understand it, so he turns around. 1.00

02:04:51.000 The fucking guy, he was supposed to corner TJ in that fight. 1.00

02:04:55.000 Should I say it? 1.00

02:04:56.000 What's that? 0.99

02:04:57.000 He was supposed to corner you on that fight and we couldn't find the fucking guy. 0.99

02:05:01.000 I'm about to walk out for my fight and Master Tong's nowhere to be found. 0.99

02:05:04.000 I'm like, what the hell?

02:05:05.000 I'm going out to my fight.

02:05:06.000 Where's Master Tong?

02:05:07.000 And then so Danny just corners me and after the fight I get back and Master Tong's like, oh TJ, I go smoke way up in the rafters.

02:05:14.000 So supposedly he says he went up in the rafters to smoke his cigarette and he was too scared to get down so he couldn't come down to come corner me.

02:05:20.000 That's a great reason.

02:05:21.000 Good point. 0.99

02:05:23.000 I'm in the room like the next day and I go say, dude, where the fuck were you? 0.99

02:05:26.000 What's up with ties and cigarettes? 0.99

02:05:28.000 Or gambling or everything.

02:05:30.000 I don't know.

02:05:30.000 It's just a culture.

02:05:31.000 Really good fighters that smoke cigarettes.

02:05:34.000 Yeah, I mean, he was smoking while he's fighting.

02:05:36.000 I mean, that guy is so talented.

02:05:37.000 It's crazy.

02:05:38.000 I wish he...

02:05:38.000 If he had half the work ethic that Dwayne had, he'd be amazing.

02:05:42.000 He's such a good trainer.

02:05:43.000 He's such a good fighter.

02:05:44.000 I don't know, man.

02:05:46.000 He's such a freak though.

02:05:47.000 I would see him in the corner with a tank top on and gold chains and sunglasses inside.

02:05:53.000 Big smiles on his face.

02:05:55.000 Suns out, guns out. 0.99

02:05:57.000 Big ass belt buckle on. 0.99

02:06:00.000 He's awesome. 0.98

02:06:02.000 And he would make sure to be in the camera for the decisions.

02:06:04.000 He's positioning himself so you can see him.

02:06:06.000 He wants to be a superstar.

02:06:08.000 Wasn't there an issue with him gambling against one of your fighters too?

02:06:12.000 Against Faber apparently.

02:06:13.000 No, I'm not joking.

02:06:15.000 This is for reals.

02:06:17.000 When Faber fought Baral in New Jersey, it was me and Tong.

02:06:23.000 And no one knows if this actually happened, right?

02:06:27.000 Allegedly.

02:06:27.000 Let's use the word allegedly.

02:06:29.000 So allegedly he gambled on Baral to beat Faber and he's cornering Faber. 1.00

02:06:34.000 Like, what the fuck, man? 0.99

02:06:35.000 I go to New Jersey to corner my... 1.00

02:06:37.000 I do two seminars.

02:06:39.000 I get up super early, do two seminars before his fight, come back and fight, do everything I need to do.

02:06:43.000 And then after the fight, which apparently he gambled against Faber, I'm leaving the hotel to go...

02:06:49.000 I gotta get up super early and take off to go back home.

02:06:51.000 And I'm walking out down the hall, and he's got a track record of hitting people up for money all the time.

02:06:56.000 Tongue. 0.99

02:06:57.000 Well, he's an addict. 0.99

02:06:59.000 He gambles. 1.00

02:06:59.000 Yeah, so he legitimately apparently has a problem gambling and not budgeting his shit, right? 1.00

02:07:03.000 So, anyway, I fly to New Jersey, do two seminars, corner, I'm working my ass off, I'm leaving the hotel after the fight down the next morning, and he's following me down the hotel. 0.97

02:07:14.000 Oh, Dwayne, Dwayne, can I have a little bit of money?

02:07:19.000 And then I gave him the crow-cop stare.

02:07:21.000 I was like... 1.00

02:07:23.000 No, motherfucker. 1.00

02:07:24.000 I got up early, came out here, worked my ass off two seminars, cornered and did what I needed to do while you were sleeping in. 1.00

02:07:29.000 Don't ask me for money, motherfucker. 1.00

02:07:31.000 Like, I got genuinely mad because he's, you know, just being lazy ass and asking me for money. 1.00

02:07:35.000 So, um, I told him no. 0.95

02:07:37.000 It's like Deadpool when he says you're the world's worst best friend, you know, when he bets against him in the Deadpool.

02:07:43.000 Oh, that's right. 1.00

02:07:44.000 But on the positive side, Master Tong's a badass motherfucker. 1.00

02:07:48.000 He's so bad, man. 0.99

02:07:49.000 He's such a talented dude.

02:07:51.000 I think he is one of the best guys in the world to hold mitts.

02:07:54.000 I wouldn't say he's super structured and going to...

02:07:58.000 Maybe it's his understanding of English.

02:08:00.000 He can't break something down like, this is why you should do it and tell me why I'm doing things and when to do it.

02:08:05.000 He just kind of shows you.

02:08:07.000 He makes you do it on the mitts.

02:08:08.000 Without even you knowing it, he makes you do things you're supposed to do the right way just by holding them and having a very limited vocabulary.

02:08:14.000 He's helped TJ a lot.

02:08:15.000 Oh, he was my first trainer, and I picked up on a stand-up very quick with him, and I think he's a great trainer.

02:08:21.000 He's just an addict.

02:08:22.000 He's got nasty Muay Thai, too. 0.98

02:08:23.000 Oh, dude, he's so, yeah.

02:08:25.000 Very good Muay Thai.

02:08:26.000 He's good.

02:08:26.000 I love the guy, man.

02:08:27.000 It's a problem, man.

02:08:28.000 When people get that gambling bug, that's a scary bug.

02:08:31.000 That's a very scary, yeah.

02:08:33.000 I never did that.

02:08:33.000 If you get a bug, then it'd be a good bug.

02:08:35.000 I mean, if you've got a trainer that's betting against you, that's as bad as it gets. 0.98

02:08:38.000 Yeah, what the fuck? 0.99

02:08:41.000 So, Master Tong was coaching out in Texas. 1.00

02:08:43.000 He was at a gym in Texas.

02:08:44.000 That's when Dwayne first got here.

02:08:45.000 So, Master Tong was kind of mad and just kind of left.

02:08:48.000 That's why we needed a new coach.

02:08:49.000 That's why we brought Dwayne in.

02:08:51.000 And then when Faber was going to fight Burrell, he brought him back for eight weeks for his camp.

02:08:55.000 And he was out here training him.

02:08:58.000 Faber went into that fight with a hurt hamstring and Master Chong knew that as well.

02:09:00.000 He tore his hamstring a little bit and went into the fight a little injured.

02:09:03.000 And so when Master Chong went back to Texas, he was bragging that he made $5,000 because he bet all this money that Faber wasn't going to win the fight.

02:09:10.000 And then it got back to Faber because Faber knew the trainer out in Texas.

02:09:13.000 And so it came back to him and he found out about it.

02:09:16.000 And, you know, allegedly, who knows if it's really true, but Master Tong was bragging about it, you know?

02:09:20.000 That hurts.

02:09:21.000 That's awesome.

02:09:21.000 That's loyalty.

02:09:22.000 Yeah, you love him.

02:09:23.000 I mean, I love the guy, you know, and if I come to find out he'd bet against you, that's rough, you know?

02:09:27.000 What if he gave you four?

02:09:30.000 He won five and gave you four.

02:09:32.000 Like, that's what you're supposed to do.

02:09:33.000 But listen, dog. 1.00

02:09:34.000 You know and I know that you came into that fight a little fucked up. 0.99

02:09:37.000 So, like, here's a taste. 0.99

02:09:39.000 Give him the majority of it.

02:09:41.000 Right?

02:09:41.000 Not even half.

02:09:42.000 Like, most of it.

02:09:43.000 He still won a thousand bucks.

02:09:44.000 People with a gamble problem don't do that.

02:09:47.000 I know.

02:09:47.000 They don't.

02:09:48.000 They want to keep it all the green fucks. 1.00

02:09:48.000 They want to gamble it away again. 1.00

02:09:50.000 Well, because he had nothing to show for it afterwards.

02:09:52.000 He guaranteed you went and gambled it somewhere else.

02:09:54.000 Oh, man.

02:09:55.000 I mean, when he was coaching at Alpha Male in the beginning before Dwayne got there, I mean, he was making good money.

02:09:59.000 You know, I know he's...

02:09:59.000 He supports his family and stuff, but he should have been a lot more well-off than he was.

02:10:05.000 It's an addict.

02:10:05.000 It's a serious problem, man.

02:10:07.000 You wouldn't actually think that it's a problem.

02:10:10.000 It's a serious problem.

02:10:11.000 That goes back to what I always tell my guys.

02:10:12.000 For myself, if you're going to create habits, let them be good habits.

02:10:14.000 And I got that from Sensei.

02:10:15.000 Create good habits, right? 1.00

02:10:16.000 Yeah, your habit is train like a motherfucker. 1.00

02:10:20.000 Teach like a motherfucker. 1.00

02:10:21.000 Get obsessed with that. 1.00

02:10:22.000 Don't get obsessed with blackjack. 0.82

02:10:24.000 I invest in other humans.

02:10:25.000 Or poker for that matter.

02:10:26.000 Anything!

02:10:28.000 It's weird.

02:10:29.000 Once you gamble because you need it, you always lose.

02:10:31.000 Trust me.

02:10:32.000 I enjoy gambling on fights.

02:10:33.000 I used to do it all the time.

02:10:35.000 When I first started working for the UFC, I would gamble on fights.

02:10:37.000 And then I was like, can I get in trouble for this?

02:10:40.000 I was like, I wasn't sure.

02:10:41.000 I was like, I can't affect the outcome.

02:10:43.000 You should mention it before the fight.

02:10:46.000 You say, I put my money on him.

02:10:48.000 That would make it more enticing.

02:10:50.000 People would get mad at me, though. 1.00

02:10:51.000 What the fuck, bro? 1.00

02:10:52.000 But I was right. 1.00

02:10:54.000 Yeah, but what the fuck, bro? 0.98

02:10:57.000 The best is when the time when Diego Sanchez won a fight, and then at the time you're going to interview him, he's like, hey, you told me I was weird before. 0.99

02:11:05.000 And you're like, yeah, you're weird.

02:11:07.000 And then he's like, just got quiet.

02:11:08.000 He tried to call you out, but you're like, no.

02:11:11.000 Yeah, you're a weird guy.

02:11:12.000 It's not bad then. 1.00

02:11:13.000 Diego's weird as fuck. 0.98

02:11:14.000 Have you seen his interview before he fought Joe Lozon? 0.99

02:11:17.000 Which one is that?

02:11:18.000 At UFC 200. He was doing an interview before Joe Lozon.

02:11:20.000 He had this whole...

02:11:21.000 It had to have been planned out.

02:11:23.000 It was almost like a freestyle rap.

02:11:24.000 He put it on his Instagram.

02:11:25.000 It is one of the funniest interviews I've ever seen.

02:11:28.000 I wish I remembered exactly who he did an interview with.

02:11:31.000 I'm going to have to look that up.

02:11:31.000 He's so odd.

02:11:32.000 But awesome.

02:11:34.000 Yeah, he's awesome.

02:11:34.000 And a good thing about him, a long time ago, this is before The Ultimate Fighter, this guy would send me videotapes from the East Coast.

02:11:42.000 Oh, that's right.

02:11:42.000 And with a note, and he says, boss, okay, this one I won, but I still, can you break it down where I have to work on?

02:11:48.000 And I would write everything down and send it back to him.

02:11:50.000 And then I saw him with The Ultimate Fighter, and then later I met him in an elevator.

02:11:53.000 I say, man, you always used to send me the tapes.

02:11:56.000 He said, yeah, thank you very much.

02:11:57.000 But you see, I really appreciate it about a guy like that.

02:11:59.000 Yeah, no, he's a really, really dedicated guy. 0.99

02:12:04.000 You know, Diego Sanchez is a fucking warrior. 0.96

02:12:07.000 And he's a guy who's won more third rounds of fights where he lost the first two. 0.99

02:12:11.000 The Martin Kampman fight, I'll never forget that fight.

02:12:14.000 Because his face was hanging off of his skull.

02:12:16.000 And he's chasing Martin Kampman. 0.98

02:12:18.000 And Martin Kampman, who fought at 185, was a big fucking guy for 170. And Diego's just... 0.96

02:12:23.000 Just running out of a mask of blood.

02:12:26.000 The Jake Ellenberger fight. 0.96

02:12:28.000 The end of the fight, he's on Ellenberger's back beating the shit out of him. 0.94

02:12:31.000 That's right. 1.00

02:12:32.000 Lost the first two rounds, comes back in the third like a fucking savage. 0.99

02:12:35.000 If every fight was a hundred rounds long, Diego Sanchez might be undefeated. 1.00

02:12:38.000 Mexican.

02:12:39.000 Yeah.

02:12:40.000 That's right.

02:12:41.000 Fantastic endurance.

02:12:42.000 He always had a crazy cardio. 1.00

02:12:44.000 Fuck you, Donald Trump. 1.00

02:12:46.000 Oh, that's good. 1.00

02:12:49.000 I mean, think about who had more endurance than Julio Cesar Chavez, right?

02:12:53.000 Well, yeah, you're right, but then people fail to mention that he trained, it was in Mexico City or at 7,000 feet elevation.

02:12:59.000 People don't take that into account.

02:13:01.000 And his fights, a lot of his fights were there as well.

02:13:03.000 Yeah, that's a good point because a lot of people don't realize how high Mexico City is.

02:13:07.000 I didn't know until the first time I went there. 0.99

02:13:09.000 I just did a fucking elliptical machine there and I was like, holy shit! 0.99

02:13:13.000 I said it to Cain Velasquez on our show. 0.99

02:13:16.000 Are you going to go out like three weeks ahead because of the elevation?

02:13:19.000 And he says, no, we will.

02:13:20.000 I said, do you think that's a smart idea?

02:13:22.000 Because you should be training there.

02:13:25.000 When I trained for the Redmond fight in Colorado, my first week, eight days, nine days were really not nice.

02:13:32.000 They were not fun.

02:13:33.000 I mean, I got tired so fast.

02:13:35.000 It took really a while for me to get into it.

02:13:38.000 And Colorado is 2,000 feet below Mexico City, which is crazy.

02:13:43.000 To have a heavyweight title fight there.

02:13:45.000 Do you remember the second UFC there when everybody ran out of gas?

02:13:50.000 Yeah!

02:13:51.000 The first two UFCs were in Colorado.

02:13:54.000 Oh, the first one too.

02:13:55.000 McNichols and then the...

02:13:59.000 The other arena downtown.

02:14:00.000 I forgot which other one was.

02:14:02.000 Do you remember Ben Rothwell and Mark Hunt in Colorado?

02:14:05.000 Oh, yeah.

02:14:06.000 Oh, those poor guys almost died.

02:14:08.000 They both almost died.

02:14:10.000 There's only one way to prepare for that.

02:14:12.000 You have to be in that element because you literally have less red blood cells.

02:14:15.000 Yeah.

02:14:15.000 Period.

02:14:16.000 I talked to a guy who's an endurance athlete who lives in Boulder, and he told me, you have to live there for three years.

02:14:22.000 He said to reach the full potential.

02:14:24.000 He's like, for those guys, when you're talking about bikers or triathletes or something like that, for them, every last second is...

02:14:33.000 Because you're doing the same activity over and over and over again.

02:14:35.000 It's not like fighting where your creativity, your explosiveness, all these different things come in a factor.

02:14:41.000 It's just biking.

02:14:42.000 You're just biking.

02:14:42.000 You're just running.

02:14:43.000 You're just swimming.

02:14:44.000 These are the things you're doing.

02:14:45.000 And so every little second, every little ounce of extra endurance.

02:14:49.000 So they optimize everything in that regard.

02:14:51.000 And he was saying to really hit your full potential, you need to live at altitude and train at altitude for three years.

02:14:56.000 Okay, so he lives and trains very nice.

02:14:58.000 Yeah, I see that.

02:14:59.000 Three years.

02:14:59.000 Wow.

02:15:00.000 Yeah, well, full potential.

02:15:02.000 Go from the 99% that you had at one year to 100% after three years.

02:15:08.000 It could be like that as well.

02:15:09.000 But I understand what he's saying.

02:15:11.000 If you have only 10 days or two weeks to train high altitude, I almost would say don't do it because your first week It's going to be the worst week.

02:15:19.000 You can't think straight.

02:15:21.000 It's better to just stay.

02:15:22.000 But if you have to fight at high altitude, always go there beforehand, man.

02:15:26.000 I'm telling you, three, four weeks at least.

02:15:28.000 There's the First Bank Center, which is right by my academy.

02:15:30.000 They had a couple UFCs there.

02:15:32.000 When you walk out of the dressing room, there's a big metal sign on the wall, and it says, Extreme Elevation.

02:15:37.000 If you feel lightheadedness or dizzy, please rest and drink water. 0.99

02:15:41.000 So that's what the fighters see as they're walking out to the cage, and that big-ass fucking sign is right to my father. 0.99

02:15:45.000 I was like, yes. 0.99

02:15:47.000 Yeah, it's crazy for people who don't live there to take fights at altitude.

02:15:50.000 It really is.

02:15:51.000 Especially when fighters can't afford, like if you're training for a fight in Mexico City, you can't afford to go anywhere.

02:15:57.000 I mean, if you're on the undercard, you're making, you know, what's like the lowest paid guys in the UFC make?

02:16:03.000 8,000?

02:16:03.000 Is it 8 and 8?

02:16:04.000 It's crazy.

02:16:05.000 It's crazy.

02:16:06.000 You've got to get on the O2 trainer.

02:16:08.000 We get those lungs.

02:16:09.000 That will help, that will strengthen them, for sure.

02:16:12.000 Because a lot of people say, oh, this part that you know, it mimics high altitude, can't.

02:16:16.000 You cannot.

02:16:16.000 It doesn't.

02:16:17.000 Oh, you have to wear it like eight hours a day.

02:16:19.000 But otherwise it won't.

02:16:21.000 But it makes your whole inspiratory system much stronger and it's easier for you to pull in.

02:16:24.000 Well, you're talking about your own personal O2 trainer where you put it in your mouth and you have like different filters on it too, right?

02:16:30.000 Stronger and weaker.

02:16:31.000 Yeah, stronger.

02:16:31.000 I'm now with a guy who is the trainer, the scientist behind Usain Bolt, three other gold medalists on track and field, actually Dominic Cruz as well is training there.

02:16:43.000 This guy has a higher IQ than freaking Einstein had.

02:16:46.000 He has like over 25 medical journals wherein it's proven that only inspiratory training works.

02:16:53.000 So what happened was he did an A review of my competition.

02:17:01.000 Explain what this thing is to people that are listening that don't know.

02:17:04.000 It's a device that I invented because I was an asthma patient and I realized that after an asthma attack for like a week in bed or eight days in bed, I would resume my track and field and I would break my running times.

02:17:15.000 And it always...

02:17:17.000 It puzzled me.

02:17:18.000 Why am I stronger after an attack?

02:17:20.000 This is crazy.

02:17:21.000 The medicine, medication.

02:17:22.000 And then I realized when I went to the doctor's office and I saw a poster on the wall with a pair of lungs on there and it showed where it's inflamed when you have bronchitis.

02:17:32.000 And what happens is you think as a kid it's infected in the lungs.

02:17:36.000 It's not.

02:17:36.000 It's in the air pipes that go to the lungs.

02:17:38.000 So that was my aha moment.

02:17:40.000 I realized, oh, I've been working out my lungs unknowingly because I've been pulling air through that infected hole.

02:17:46.000 So unknowingly, I made my whole lung system, my inspiratory system stronger.

02:17:51.000 So why don't I come up with something that controls the air intake?

02:17:54.000 And that was it.

02:17:55.000 And then finally, I started, oh, there you got it.

02:17:57.000 I started making it.

02:17:58.000 And it's a very simple device.

02:17:59.000 It starts with a hole of 15 millimeters.

02:18:01.000 Millimeter you start training with it and once you feel that you get the same air as you did before you go to 14 millimeter and now with this guy what this guy does with it because When my lawyer called me and he said listen, did you read that review about a competition?

02:18:15.000 It's horrible.

02:18:15.000 They They slam this.

02:18:18.000 I say, I know, because they control the air in and out.

02:18:20.000 It's not a good way to do it.

02:18:21.000 I say, contact that guy.

02:18:23.000 I want to send him an O2 trainer.

02:18:24.000 And when he contacted him, he said, Bas Rutter will lie.

02:18:27.000 He said, Bas Rutter from the O2 trainer?

02:18:28.000 Yeah, we're already using it.

02:18:29.000 Inspiratory trainers.

02:18:30.000 I love the product.

02:18:31.000 So what is the difference?

02:18:32.000 The difference is, when you control the air out as well, you cannot completely empty your lungs.

02:18:37.000 Because you do it with resistance.

02:18:39.000 But if you complete, and air out is all with force, it's all done by your core and your diaphragm and your intercoastal muscles here and your ribs.

02:18:46.000 But breathing in is also done with that.

02:18:48.000 It's much harder to breathe in.

02:18:50.000 But as soon as I start stopping the airflow out, I cannot completely exhale anymore before I take a new breath.

02:18:57.000 And that's what I started with.

02:18:59.000 So now we're going to come out with all these medical journals with Usain Bolt, all these people that he trains all do inspiratory muscle training.

02:19:05.000 So they all use that kind of a device?

02:19:08.000 All use, yeah.

02:19:09.000 Wow, so like those masks that you wear that control in and out, those are no good.

02:19:14.000 That was the...

02:19:15.000 That's the competition.

02:19:16.000 That was the competition, yeah.

02:19:18.000 So it's just something that just controls in and then you can breathe out with your own mouth.

02:19:22.000 So you breathe in through it, and then when you breathe out, how does it work when you breathe out freely?

02:19:27.000 How does it work?

02:19:27.000 Everything comes out, because it gets two valves.

02:19:29.000 One side is where they have the holes on, and on the other side you have a flap.

02:19:34.000 And if I breathe in, the flap closes, forces you to breathe into one side.

02:19:38.000 That's brilliant.

02:19:38.000 Yeah, and it works.

02:19:40.000 And the only thing that the scientist said is that, well, you can use it like you did, boss, with training, because it cured me from my asthma.

02:19:47.000 On my website, you will read a lot of people cured it from asthma.

02:19:50.000 I don't use an inhaler anymore.

02:19:52.000 And I used an inhaler my entire life, even before world title fights.

02:19:55.000 Always had an inhaler with me, because if I would sneeze, for instance, very aggressively three times, my lung would close.

02:20:02.000 I have to open them up with an inhaler.

02:20:04.000 I haven't used an inhaler for two and a half, three years now anymore.

02:20:06.000 So it works with everything.

02:20:08.000 We're actually looking for an FDA improvement.

02:20:10.000 Everything is going to happen now because the results are just crazy good.

02:20:13.000 That's fascinating.

02:20:14.000 Yeah.

02:20:15.000 Oh, and what he said, what I wanted to say is what he does, he lets them in the morning do 30 repetitions.

02:20:20.000 So they take a small or tiny hole and you lean over with the O2 trainer and once you breathe out, every bit of air goes out of your lungs and then while you're breathing in, you're sitting straight up.

02:20:33.000 And then you breathe everything out again.

02:20:35.000 You do 30 repetitions in the morning.

02:20:36.000 That's it.

02:20:37.000 For your inside.

02:20:38.000 So that's all you're doing is just 30 repetitions?

02:20:40.000 That's it.

02:20:41.000 And that'll build you up.

02:20:42.000 If you go for six weeks, two times a day, 30 minutes, and 30 repetitions, and after that, just one time a day, the increase you're going to have, you're not going to have any lactic acid in your core, which, by the way, is the most important thing in fighting.

02:20:55.000 That's why everybody gets tired, I always say, because they're...

02:20:58.000 The muscles start pumping, you know, just like your biceps are pumping, and they start pushing your lungs backwards.

02:21:03.000 So now your lungs cannot freely inhale anymore because you're pushing them backwards with your core.

02:21:08.000 And that's the reason when you see guys, you know, that's why I used to do, I actually said that at the seminar last Saturday, I said that's why before a fight I would do a lot of abs, but constant stretching abs.

02:21:21.000 Abs, stretching.

02:21:22.000 Abs, stretching.

02:21:23.000 And that was for that reason, because I know if this gets tight, your core gets tight, everything goes downhill.

02:21:28.000 That's why the guys in the beginning with the steroids, well, in the beginning they're still doing it apparently, but you saw guys, because if you use steroids, you pump much harder, right?

02:21:37.000 So they're very strong until the core builds up with lactic acid.

02:21:41.000 Now the lungs can...

02:21:43.000 Breathe in anymore.

02:21:44.000 And that's why you see them going strong, strong, strong, strong, strong, and then suddenly they drop and it's over with them.

02:21:49.000 That's the reason.

02:21:51.000 So your protocol for this O2 trainer is you do it 30 times, like 30 breaths?

02:21:56.000 30 breaths in the morning, 30 in the evening, after six weeks, you increase your whole respiratory...

02:22:01.000 They say you got 15 to 20 percent you will gain.

02:22:05.000 It's incredible.

02:22:06.000 You cannot do this with BEDs. 0.99

02:22:07.000 15 to 20 percent in how long?

02:22:09.000 How much time?

02:22:10.000 That was six weeks.

02:22:11.000 In six weeks.

02:22:12.000 Yeah, you'll be amazed.

02:22:14.000 Once we're going to come out with all these journals, you're going to like it.

02:22:17.000 So 15 to 20% lung capacity?

02:22:19.000 Yeah, look, this is inspiratory, right?

02:22:22.000 This is other devices.

02:22:25.000 There's still air in there because they can completely empty their lungs.

02:22:29.000 We're looking at a video, for folks who are just listening to this, we're looking at a video on Boss Rootin' O2 Trainer, which is online on YouTube, right?

02:22:37.000 Is it just O2 Trainer?

02:22:38.000 What is your...

02:22:39.000 O2 Trainer dot com.

02:22:41.000 The site crashed right now.

02:22:42.000 Oh, okay.

02:22:43.000 So the site crashed because we swamped it?

02:22:45.000 We swamped your site, Boss.

02:22:46.000 Swap my side.

02:22:47.000 Boom.

02:22:48.000 Nice.

02:22:48.000 Selling some O2 trainers.

02:22:49.000 I love the flap though.

02:22:51.000 That's amazing.

02:22:52.000 Dude, I'm buying one of these.

02:22:53.000 It's such a...

02:22:54.000 I'll get you one.

02:22:54.000 Free!

02:22:55.000 It's such an easy...

02:22:56.000 Score!

02:22:57.000 It's such an easy thing.

02:22:59.000 Are you using the body exercise system?

02:23:02.000 It's right back here!

02:23:03.000 You want to see it?

02:23:04.000 Come on back! 0.98

02:23:05.000 Come on back! 0.98

02:23:06.000 I'll take you back here! 0.99

02:23:07.000 We've got to end this podcast anyway, but I'll show you in the back. 0.98

02:23:10.000 Because I've got to get the fuck out of here. 0.99

02:23:11.000 Boss Rutten, you're a fucking gem of a human being. 0.99

02:23:14.000 It's a pleasure to know you and an honor to make your acquaintance. 0.99

02:23:17.000 Same, I can say for both of you gentlemen, it was an honor to train with you today. 0.99

02:23:21.000 Bang Ludwig, you're a fucking genius. 1.00

02:23:23.000 And TJ, you're a bad motherfucker. 1.00

02:23:25.000 I can't wait to see you fight for the title again. 0.99

02:23:27.000 And I really hope it is soon.

02:23:29.000 And thank you, everybody.

02:23:31.000 That's it. 0.99

02:23:32.000 This fucking podcast is over. 1.00

02:23:33.000 Jihad! 1.00

02:23:34.000 Woo-hoo! 1.00

02:23:35.000 Awesome.

The Joe Rogan Experience - September 12, 2016

Joe Rogan Experience #845 - TJ Dillashaw, Duane Ludwig & Bas Rutten

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