The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #848 - Bryan Callen

00:00:05.000 I'm wearing a sky-blue shirt, please.

00:00:07.000 If I call you terrorist survivor, how much hate do you think I'll get?

00:00:10.000 It seems like a nice green light for people to get upset for no reason.

00:00:13.000 Well, you know, I think that everybody wants to be If you've not been affected by it, but you were there, you want somehow credit.

00:00:22.000 Like I found myself, I was 800 feet exactly away from the blast.

00:00:26.000 Because I was at the Gotham Comedy Club, 208, I think West 23rd, and the bomb was at 133. It's hard for me to think of how big 800 feet is.

00:00:36.000 It's a half a block.

00:00:37.000 Half a block.

00:00:38.000 That's really close.

00:00:39.000 Yeah, if you look at it on your Google Maps, it's a half a block.

00:00:43.000 So you were about to go on stage.

00:00:45.000 I was about to go on stage, and I was with Jimmy Burke, the national treasure that is Jimmy Burke.

00:00:49.000 I love Jimmy Burke.

00:00:50.000 Of course you do.

00:00:51.000 Who doesn't?

00:00:52.000 And we were talking in front of the club, so I was literally right behind the front door.

00:00:58.000 And in the Gotham Club, you have to walk all the way down and go into the room.

00:01:02.000 So, probably about 25 yards.

00:01:04.000 So, I'm literally on the street, but with the door in front of us, and we just hear, ba-boom!

00:01:11.000 And that sickening sound where you know it's a bomb.

00:01:13.000 You know it's not a manhole cover.

00:01:15.000 You know what I mean?

00:01:15.000 You just know.

00:01:16.000 It's just too loud.

00:01:17.000 I don't think I've ever heard a bomb.

00:01:18.000 It's horrifying.

00:01:19.000 And it was 800 feet away.

00:01:20.000 You heard a bomb before that?

00:01:21.000 Well, you did when you were a kid, right?

00:01:23.000 I did because I lived in Lebanon.

00:01:24.000 Right.

00:01:25.000 Right.

00:01:25.000 So I had, in fact, I remember going back to Lebanon.

00:01:29.000 I can't remember the year, but they shot a missile.

00:01:31.000 It was a test fire, a missile over our head on the beach.

00:01:35.000 I will never forget this.

00:01:36.000 It was so loud that we fell down on the ground.

00:01:39.000 We were on the beach.

00:01:40.000 It was so loud.

00:01:42.000 I don't know if that was because it was shot over our heads in the sonic boom, but we fell down.

00:01:46.000 It was either a shell or something, but I remember...

00:01:49.000 And you don't see it, though.

00:01:50.000 You don't see the shell.

00:01:53.000 Because it's going so fast.

00:01:54.000 Yes.

00:01:54.000 But what you do is you hear this insanely loud noise, and I remember looking around, and everybody fell down, and I fell down.

00:02:02.000 It's not even like a fall down.

00:02:04.000 It's like you lose your balance, and you're reaching for something to hold onto, but then you go down to your hands and knees.

00:02:09.000 It was a really strange thing.

00:02:11.000 And I remember being a kid in Lebanon and seeing planes bomb a gas station from the balcony.

00:02:18.000 And then we had to go downstairs and sleep in the garage.

00:02:22.000 So I heard loud noises as a kid, very loud noises.

00:02:25.000 But this, it doesn't matter.

00:02:27.000 It doesn't matter.

00:02:27.000 I'm not a seasoned terrorism expert here, you know, experiencer.

00:02:32.000 And I don't think anybody is.

00:02:34.000 And it certainly wasn't.

00:02:35.000 Think about this.

00:02:36.000 This was a pressure cooker.

00:02:37.000 This was not a car bomb.

00:02:39.000 And that was 800 feet away, which is how many football fields?

00:02:43.000 Explain, because it was the same sort of bomb they used in the Boston Marathon bombings a few years ago.

00:02:48.000 Right.

00:02:48.000 Same kind of thing.

00:02:49.000 And I believe it was hooked up to a cell phone.

00:02:51.000 Yeah.

00:02:52.000 I believe that's how it was activated, through a cell phone.

00:02:54.000 Yeah.

00:02:55.000 And when that thing went off, you just knew it was a bomb.

00:02:58.000 And the crazy thing, the sickening thing was, before that, they said, you've got four minutes.

00:03:02.000 He's coming off in four minutes.

00:03:04.000 And I... I ended up, we were in the front there and Jimmy and I were talking and I said, no problem.

00:03:11.000 And this bomb goes off and I said to Jimmy, I go, that was a bomb.

00:03:15.000 And he goes, yes, it was.

00:03:17.000 And we go outside, and I see smoke, and it's quiet.

00:03:22.000 You know, because there's this pause before the storm.

00:03:25.000 And I saw smoke, and you could smell this sort of burning thing.

00:03:32.000 It smelled like smoke.

00:03:33.000 Quickly.

00:03:35.000 And then, instead of people running toward you and screaming, they were jogging.

00:03:38.000 New Yorkers. 1.00

00:03:39.000 Like, what the fuck, man? 1.00

00:03:41.000 Come on, that's right. 1.00

00:03:42.000 And they were jogging.

00:03:43.000 So your instinct is to go toward the blast, you know, to make sure everybody's okay.

00:03:46.000 But the sick thing is...

00:03:47.000 Is that what your instinct is?

00:03:48.000 Yeah, for me, because I thought there's no way people aren't injured or killed.

00:03:51.000 It's horrifying.

00:03:52.000 I gotta be on stage, but, you know, this is obviously all-encompassing.

00:03:57.000 Do you have any new material you're working on?

00:03:59.000 I did, and that's why I had to let them fend for themselves.

00:04:03.000 I had to fend for themselves.

00:04:04.000 Don't worry about it, folks.

00:04:05.000 It's just a bomb.

00:04:07.000 Hey, good to be here.

00:04:08.000 Good to be here tonight.

00:04:09.000 Where are you from, sir?

00:04:09.000 You look like Jersey.

00:04:10.000 Well, what was really bizarre was that we were running toward it.

00:04:13.000 I said, Jim, we've got to go back inside, because I was afraid it was another bomb.

00:04:16.000 Right.

00:04:16.000 Because in Lebanon, they used to always set off an explosion.

00:04:20.000 The old trick was to have people run toward another explosion, right?

00:04:23.000 I know that from, you know, and my mother used to always say, be careful of that.

00:04:27.000 That's a terrible piece of information to carry around your head when you're a child.

00:04:30.000 It's also important.

00:04:31.000 I know.

00:04:32.000 It's horrifying because it's so maniacal.

00:04:34.000 Because they're trying to injure people.

00:04:36.000 And that's an old technique, right?

00:04:39.000 So you create a small explosion, get people to run toward the bigger explosion. 0.99

00:04:43.000 There's just something incredibly fucked up about people's ability to just attack and kill random people that they don't know. 0.97

00:04:50.000 The terrorism is the idea is to spread fear and get people to behave differently. 0.98

00:04:55.000 You're not going to win the war with big bombs, but you can get people to change their routine, their life, and the way they think.

00:05:02.000 And even like I told you when I was in the Chelsea market, Five hours before that, it was so crowded.

00:05:08.000 Great food, people were at a spice market, and clothing, and just beautiful people.

00:05:14.000 And I thought to myself, I'm going to get out of here because this feels like the place that I would bomb if I was a terrorist.

00:05:19.000 And it was just a premonition.

00:05:20.000 I'm sure a lot of people feel that way.

00:05:22.000 My thinking is different because of the world we live in.

00:05:25.000 So they've changed the way my inner geography.

00:05:27.000 They've changed the way I behave, the way I think.

00:05:30.000 Regardless of whether I want to admit that or not, I found myself to be nervous in that space.

00:05:36.000 Do you think that you would have had that same feeling anyway if no bomb went off?

00:05:40.000 Or do you really think that was a premonition?

00:05:42.000 No.

00:05:42.000 Is it one of those things where you sort of connect a feeling like, It's not a premonition.

00:05:46.000 I don't believe in premonitions.

00:05:47.000 I mean, maybe I do if you can read signals and stuff, but that wasn't the case for me.

00:05:51.000 I just have an active imagination.

00:05:53.000 My take on that kind of stuff is maybe. 0.97

00:05:55.000 I don't want to say I don't know because there's not a goddamn way to measure it.

00:06:00.000 But there are weird moments where people have weird thoughts.

00:06:03.000 I'm just wondering if you really...

00:06:06.000 Yes.

00:06:06.000 Well, the answer is there are two books that were – this has been studied.

00:06:11.000 Thinking Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman.

00:06:13.000 He won a Nobel Prize for economics and behavioral economics.

00:06:16.000 And then in Malcolm Gladwell's book, Blink, there are – and for that matter, Josh Waiskin's book, The Art of Learning.

00:06:24.000 All three great books that I recommend to everybody because there are signals a human being and soldiers talk about this when they've experienced a lot of IEDs.

00:06:33.000 They get very good, when their life depends on it, at reading signals, the stillness in the air, behavior that they can't explain, but why are those people acting a little bit differently?

00:06:46.000 Why are the women not out? 0.92

00:06:48.000 Why are the women not out? 0.92

00:06:49.000 Why can't I see any women out? 1.00

00:06:50.000 Why is it just men?

00:06:51.000 Why are the windows being shut right now?

00:06:53.000 They pick up on all these little signals.

00:06:55.000 And in Blink and in Thinking Fast and Slow, there are things we pick up on very quickly.

00:07:00.000 We just have...

00:07:02.000 Pattern recognition.

00:07:03.000 There are other things that take a long time to think about, right?

00:07:05.000 So a math problem like 48 times 36 would take a long time.

00:07:10.000 It's a slow process.

00:07:11.000 And you can't do a lot else when you're doing that.

00:07:13.000 But you can recognize if somebody's running at you screaming with their eyes open and their hands up that they're probably going to do something Physical to you or something you we register these in very quickly the same goes for you know any kind of Situation probably when something's about to happen There may be a change in behavior.

00:07:35.000 There may be This doesn't look right.

00:07:37.000 Why does that road?

00:07:38.000 Why is that bump in that road that wasn't there last time those kinds of things that soldiers talk about so For me, I think this was just simply the idea that I was closed in.

00:07:48.000 Everything was really great.

00:07:50.000 And I felt like I have coffee running to my body.

00:07:52.000 I'm on a caffeine high.

00:07:54.000 I did my yoga.

00:07:55.000 I feel good.

00:07:55.000 This is too good to be true.

00:07:56.000 I'm going to turn around in case a bomb goes off and blows my head off. 0.68

00:07:59.000 That's more just paranoia.

00:08:01.000 But in this case, after the bomb, I ran and I said to Jimmy, I said, come back inside.

00:08:07.000 Come back inside.

00:08:08.000 There could be a second bomb.

00:08:10.000 And he said, yeah, you're right.

00:08:12.000 And so we ran back inside, and they go, you're on.

00:08:14.000 And now I go, but there was a bomb.

00:08:16.000 And they go, what?

00:08:17.000 And I said, a bomb went off.

00:08:18.000 And they go, you know, full house, sold out house.

00:08:22.000 So I run on stage, and the real worry was my cousins were coming to see the show.

00:08:26.000 And I thought that they were, you know, right there.

00:08:29.000 So I had to kind of get myself together and do stand-up.

00:08:33.000 And my heart was beating fast, but it was more depression.

00:08:35.000 It was less the fear and more depression at the world we live in, that sound.

00:08:39.000 So I did stand up and then halfway through, or three-quarters of the way through, an off-duty cop who works there walked on stage.

00:08:45.000 Because he stopped the soldiers that came in with the machine guns.

00:08:48.000 He said, let me get him off stage. 0.86

00:08:49.000 Don't raid the comedy club, please.

00:08:52.000 How bizarre.

00:08:53.000 Yeah, so he walks on, literally walks on, and I turned and I went, oh no.

00:08:58.000 I just said, oh no, because I was confirmed.

00:09:00.000 I knew something was bad, you know?

00:09:02.000 And he said, he took the mic out of my hand.

00:09:04.000 He said, sorry folks, we have to get you out of here.

00:09:06.000 And then we left.

00:09:07.000 It was just depressing, man.

00:09:09.000 Wow.

00:09:10.000 I'm not a terrorism survivor, but I witnessed something.

00:09:12.000 What did that feel like going on stage right after you knew that a bomb went off 800 feet away?

00:09:17.000 You know, I asked Jimmy, who was there, I said, did it seem like I was nervous?

00:09:21.000 He said, nope, you just went right into pro mode.

00:09:23.000 You know, I've been doing it so long.

00:09:25.000 And it was a full house, and I just said, you gotta get it together.

00:09:29.000 Wow.

00:09:30.000 I think anybody who's been doing stand-up the way, as long as I have or you have, you know, we'd figure our way through.

00:09:37.000 You know, I probably was speaking faster.

00:09:39.000 I could feel my heart beating.

00:09:42.000 It's terrifying, man.

00:09:44.000 When it's that real, you know, when you think about the fact that people are walking through their lives.

00:09:51.000 Life is hard, right? 0.99

00:09:52.000 Just accomplishing shit, keeping yourself on the straight and narrow, flossing, fucking working out, going for your dreams. 0.99

00:10:01.000 I heard you don't have to floss anymore. 1.00

00:10:03.000 There's like a study.

00:10:04.000 Oh, I heard about that. 1.00

00:10:05.000 Yeah, this is flossing's bullshit. 1.00

00:10:06.000 Good because I use a toothpick because I'm a man. 1.00

00:10:09.000 Good for you. 0.99

00:10:09.000 And then and then something the random can happen and all those plants go out the fucking window. 0.99

00:10:14.000 Yeah, that's the strangest aspect of it, isn't it? 0.97

00:10:16.000 The randomness of it that all of a sudden these moments unexpected are introduced into the world and they change everything, you know, and we only see our our side of it.

00:10:28.000 Obviously, this is happening all over the world to varying degrees.

00:10:32.000 We're just so insulated from this kind of stuff that when a random act like this does happen, it's so shocking.

00:10:39.000 But if this was in, you know, the worst aspects or the worst parts of the world...

00:10:46.000 They're probably experiencing these kinds of things on a daily basis.

00:11:05.000 They were very, very, you know, political commitment in the 20th century wasn't something you could not have, right?

00:11:11.000 And they witnessed world wars and nuclear weaponry and all kinds of things, probably influenza that killed 20 million people worldwide, all kinds of stuff.

00:11:20.000 And they let it inform their...

00:11:25.000 Look, you talk to World War II veterans.

00:11:28.000 I've talked to old guys.

00:11:30.000 I said, what was it like when you came back?

00:11:31.000 They said, you're just more serious and there's more of an urgency to get things done.

00:11:36.000 You don't have as much time.

00:11:37.000 That makes sense.

00:11:38.000 Yeah.

00:11:39.000 And so the idea is to, whatever happens, whatever happens, you can react in a way that, in a form of paralysis, or you can allow it to kind of get you to think, I don't have a lot of time.

00:11:53.000 It's such a catch-22 in many ways, because our society has never been safer.

00:11:58.000 It's never been easier to exist in the West, at least in America.

00:12:01.000 It's never been easier.

00:12:03.000 You know, I mean, we have...

00:12:06.000 More healthcare.

00:12:07.000 We have more access to information.

00:12:09.000 There's less violent crime.

00:12:11.000 There's less everything.

00:12:12.000 Cars are safer.

00:12:13.000 There's so much.

00:12:14.000 But because of that, every little thing gets blown out of proportion.

00:12:21.000 That's right.

00:12:22.000 Things like this, as horrible as they are, are a wake-up call.

00:12:26.000 I remember in 9-11, right after 9-11, like within the next year, we filmed Fear Factor.

00:12:32.000 In Manhattan.

00:12:33.000 And everyone was so nice.

00:12:36.000 Everyone was so nice.

00:12:38.000 It was really fascinating.

00:12:40.000 It's like everyone was happy and they were so nice.

00:12:43.000 And they were so happy when they saw cops and firemen. 0.98

00:12:46.000 Firemen and cops were fucking superheroes for a good solid two years. 0.98

00:12:50.000 Like, they should be if people had perspective. 0.99

00:12:54.000 Like, hey, there's a bunch of people that are there to save your life.

00:12:57.000 You should be so thankful and happy they're there.

00:12:59.000 As opposed to, oh my god, I saw that guy that hits the ball with the stick.

00:13:04.000 He's amazing.

00:13:05.000 I was sweating when I was near him. 0.99

00:13:08.000 We're fucking crazy, man. 1.00

00:13:09.000 We are crazy. 1.00

00:13:11.000 And as soft as things get, when they get softer, things get more and more out of perspective.

00:13:16.000 Like that Matt LeBlanc story that we're talking about before the podcast.

00:13:19.000 Folks, this is like the height. 0.99

00:13:21.000 This is the height of the craziness of people getting upset at fucking nothing. 0.97

00:13:26.000 I'm gonna give you the height right now. 0.99

00:13:28.000 Pull that up because this is so ridiculous. 0.95

00:13:31.000 This is a classic example of people who lose perspective. 0.91

00:13:35.000 On what really matters.

00:13:36.000 They don't have any real existential threats out there to their own lives and their way of life, so they have to find an enemy.

00:13:43.000 And this is a classic example of being outraged at something you shouldn't be outraged by.

00:13:48.000 Here's the article.

00:13:49.000 It says, Matt LeBlanc was disgusting on the Emmys red carpet and can leave showbiz now.

00:13:55.000 Now, in this person's defense, the author, I have no idea if that is what she actually wrote as her actual title, because I know that editors change things, and they try to make things more inflammatory.

00:14:09.000 And it's so much easier to make something more inflammatory when you're an editor and you take someone's work and you add some stuff to it, you add a title to it.

00:14:16.000 Who knows if that's what happened.

00:14:18.000 Just to clarify, because that is a possibility.

00:14:21.000 So this is what he says.

00:14:24.000 He's on the red carpet with the woman from Game of Thrones, Emilia Clarke, who plays Khaleesi, right? 0.80

00:14:32.000 First of all, she says he's objectifying women because he's got disgusting characteristics.

00:14:37.000 Let's just say his actual statement.

00:14:40.000 He goes, I saw the first season, then kind of fell out of touch with it, and I guess that's when she started getting naked, so I need to catch up.

00:14:47.000 That's it.

00:14:48.000 That's all he said.

00:14:49.000 I would say in a heartbeat.

00:14:51.000 That's all he said.

00:14:52.000 And he is a comedic actor.

00:14:55.000 He's doing an interview.

00:14:56.000 He's trying to be funny.

00:14:57.000 That's right. 0.99

00:14:58.000 He's just being silly. 0.95

00:14:59.000 I mean, I think that was like the nicest, most polite way of being pervy I've ever read. 0.99

00:15:05.000 She called him, he shares some of his characters, disgusting characteristics, like objectifying women.

00:15:10.000 So that's, what is her name, the woman who said that? 0.96

00:15:15.000 It's unbelievable.

00:15:16.000 So her name is Lauren Holter.

00:15:18.000 I wonder, really, with people like this, you're right, I wonder what their historical perspective is on things.

00:15:24.000 We've come a long way. 0.98

00:15:25.000 Fucking way. 0.98

00:15:27.000 And I mean in women's rights. 0.99

00:15:29.000 And, you know, Obama had a great speech that I listened to.

00:15:32.000 Listened to it.

00:15:33.000 In 2016, he gave it to Howard College, which is a black college.

00:15:37.000 And yes, yes, there are race issues.

00:15:40.000 Obama said, yeah, I'm going to say some controversial things.

00:15:43.000 We're all way better off.

00:15:45.000 And oh, by the way, so are race relations.

00:15:48.000 When I graduated in 1983, it was a lot harder.

00:15:51.000 And there are more opportunities.

00:15:53.000 And to not give that credit.

00:15:56.000 To not suggest that we are better off.

00:15:59.000 It doesn't mean you get complacent.

00:16:01.000 And it doesn't mean there isn't work to do.

00:16:02.000 But please understand that we have come a long way.

00:16:06.000 And to not give credit for that is to not give credit to the foot soldiers.

00:16:11.000 That did all that work from 1983 until now, many of whom were people of color.

00:16:16.000 So when you say, you know, it's things that have never been worse, you're wrong.

00:16:20.000 You don't have historical perspective.

00:16:22.000 And I'll give you another perspective that New York Times had this interesting editorial.

00:16:25.000 And whether this is true or not, but if you define war as countries going to war over territory resources with national armies, five out of six people on this globe are not living in countries at war.

00:16:39.000 One in six are in conflict, war-torn areas.

00:16:45.000 Those areas go from Nigeria to Pakistan.

00:16:48.000 Now, that is a large part of the globe, primarily the Middle East, primarily the Muslim world.

00:16:55.000 That area is in strife and at war, and there's a lot of tragedy.

00:16:59.000 But please keep in mind that's one in six people in the globe.

00:17:02.000 Latin America In the 70s and the 80s, our lifetime, were military dictatorships.

00:17:09.000 Nicaragua was a communist dictator, not even a communist dictator, but it was a communist country where there was a huge insurgency, huge wars being fought, insurgencies, lots of death, no democracy whatsoever.

00:17:20.000 Latin America has a lot of problems, but let me tell you, at least they are run by civilian governments, as corrupt as they may be. 1.00

00:17:26.000 That's big progress.

00:17:27.000 So you've got to kind of measure, you've got to measure where progress has been made, give it credit, And then don't let that make you complacent because there's always work to do, but at least give it credit.

00:17:39.000 I completely agree with you, but I think you're giving her statement way too much credit.

00:17:43.000 I agree.

00:17:44.000 I think what she's doing...

00:17:45.000 I just brought in Pakistan and Nigeria. 0.97

00:17:46.000 I apologize. 0.95

00:17:47.000 I mean, I think she's probably laughing that we're so ridiculous. 0.97

00:17:49.000 We're studying what's obviously like clickbait bullshit. 0.99

00:17:53.000 Yeah, you're right. 0.99

00:17:54.000 I mean, she's looking to be outraged. 0.76

00:17:56.000 She's got to write a story.

00:17:57.000 This is a story.

00:17:58.000 Here, I got something.

00:17:59.000 Here, let's run with it.

00:18:00.000 Yeah.

00:18:00.000 I mean, that's a lot of what's going on with these internet sort of website stories.

00:18:05.000 A lot of it is just...

00:18:06.000 I just took the bait, didn't I? Well, there's a lot of fake ones.

00:18:09.000 I mean, you've seen fake ones that are just completely fake.

00:18:12.000 They just make up a story.

00:18:13.000 They made up a story about me disarming some person at the comedy store, some person with a gun.

00:18:18.000 And I got a text from a buddy of mine who's a cop.

00:18:21.000 And he's like, did you take out a guy?

00:18:24.000 Congratulations, that's very difficult to do. 1.00

00:18:26.000 I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? 0.99

00:18:27.000 I had people ask me if you had actually killed a mountain lion with your bare hands. 1.00

00:18:31.000 And I was like, absolutely.

00:18:32.000 How much money do you think they could make for those fake stories?

00:18:35.000 I mean, is there real money in that?

00:18:37.000 Like a couple hundred bucks or something?

00:18:39.000 Probably not.

00:18:40.000 I wonder.

00:18:41.000 Probably just a way of getting attention.

00:18:43.000 But there used to be, it used to be like The Onion. 0.99

00:18:47.000 Like The Onion would say, shit, you would read the headline and you'd go, aha! 0.99

00:18:51.000 And then you would read what you knew to be satire. 1.00

00:18:54.000 You knew to be parody.

00:18:55.000 You knew to be fake.

00:18:56.000 It was funny.

00:18:57.000 It was...

00:18:58.000 Absurd.

00:18:59.000 Now, there's a bunch of websites that have taken what they've done and made it way less obvious that they're trying to be funny.

00:19:06.000 It's just weird.

00:19:07.000 But I do think that we live in a time, and there's probably kind of a blowback now, it's interesting, but we do live in a time where people are just way too sensitive, and it's certain loudmouths in the media.

00:19:18.000 I mean, when Alec Baldwin wrote an article saying, I think I quit, And it was like he was leaving Hollywood.

00:19:24.000 He's done so much for gay rights and he's always been a really liberal guy. 0.97

00:19:27.000 But he called the guy a cocksucker because the guy ended up taking pictures of him and his wife. 0.98

00:19:33.000 And I guess they considered that to be homophobic. 0.99

00:19:35.000 And he got just lambasted by... 0.98

00:19:40.000 The sort of lunatic fringe. 0.94

00:19:41.000 But it was really bad.

00:19:43.000 And it hurt his feelings.

00:19:45.000 And he was like, you guys are pointing your guns at the wrong enemy.

00:19:48.000 I'm not your enemy.

00:19:49.000 I'm your advocate.

00:19:50.000 But you're so caught up on your power trip.

00:19:54.000 It's what happens to any group.

00:19:56.000 Greenpeace is a good example.

00:19:58.000 The guy who used to be part of Greenpeace said, look, we got a lot of stuff done.

00:20:02.000 But there were a lot of people that weren't willing to let it go.

00:20:04.000 And they needed a new cause and a new cause because they were addicted to the power.

00:20:08.000 It wasn't so much about saving the whales anymore.

00:20:10.000 It was about the fact that they had a sense of identity and they had power and they could really shake things up and cause good people who were involved in doing good work to have to stop and go, huh?

00:20:24.000 What?

00:20:25.000 That's what a lot of people are doing by writing blogs, whether they realize it or not.

00:20:29.000 That's what they're doing.

00:20:30.000 You're trying to claim your own space by jumping in and trying to get a reaction.

00:20:34.000 And in that case, that Matt LeBlanc case, it's one of the most obvious, blatant, and bizarre.

00:20:42.000 Really, if that captivates a moment of your time, other than laughing or not laughing, a moment.

00:20:48.000 First of all, let's break down what he's saying.

00:20:53.000 We're good to go.

00:21:10.000 Is standing next to a man and says the exact same thing. 0.99

00:21:13.000 I guarantee you, no one gives a fuck. 0.99

00:21:15.000 Of course not. 0.98

00:21:16.000 And everyone might laugh.

00:21:17.000 If Amy Schumer said that next to Brad Pitt, do you- Well, what if he said this?

00:21:23.000 What if he had said, I'm not going to watch it, uh, She takes her clothes off and it objectifies women and I refuse to actually... 1.00

00:21:29.000 I'm afraid I may enjoy it if I watch it.

00:21:31.000 And so out of respect for her and her privacy, even though she's taken off her clothes and it's an artistic expression and a great TV show.

00:21:38.000 I don't approve...

00:21:40.000 Because I don't think women should take their clothes off. 1.00

00:21:42.000 Now you're puritanical.

00:21:46.000 Do you really want to live in a world like that?

00:21:47.000 Because I'll tell you something, there are a lot of countries, a lot of countries, like for example Saudi Arabia and a lot of other countries that are not at the forefront of women's rights, that would be outraged and wouldn't let you see that and would censor that.

00:22:04.000 So what are we talking about here?

00:22:05.000 What are we talking about?

00:22:06.000 We're talking about a joke that objectifies women. 1.00

00:22:09.000 Have you seen that Cosmo, the two comparisons of the Cosmo covers? 0.97

00:22:13.000 One of them, it says, why men who objectify women are the effing worst.

00:22:18.000 And then in the next one, it's all about men's packages in bikinis. 0.93

00:22:24.000 Really? 0.98

00:22:25.000 It's just their cocks in bikinis. 1.00

00:22:27.000 Oh, that's great. 0.88

00:22:27.000 I mean, it is literally just an object. 0.88

00:22:30.000 It's not even a full person thing.

00:22:32.000 You're just focusing on cocks in bikinis, same magazine. 1.00

00:22:36.000 But what do you mean by objectify women? 0.73

00:22:37.000 What does that mean?

00:22:38.000 It doesn't mean anything.

00:22:39.000 I think women that are naked are beautiful. 1.00

00:22:41.000 Well, objectifying, treating them as objects instead of people.

00:22:44.000 Well, I'm not trying to start a relationship with her. 0.85

00:22:46.000 I'm trying to look at her naked in a dragon movie. 0.94

00:22:49.000 Yeah.

00:22:49.000 You know, she rides dragons around.

00:22:51.000 Right.

00:22:51.000 She's a dragon lady.

00:22:52.000 She's the mother, right?

00:22:54.000 Yeah.

00:22:54.000 Mother of dragons?

00:22:55.000 Yeah. 0.92

00:22:55.000 I'm trying to look at her naked. 0.92

00:22:56.000 Is that okay? 0.52

00:22:57.000 If you don't want me to look at her naked, how about you don't show it?

00:22:59.000 I agree.

00:22:59.000 Here it is.

00:23:00.000 Oh, look at that.

00:23:01.000 Well done, by the way. 0.99

00:23:03.000 36 Summer Olympic bulges that deserve gold, and it's all just dicks, just hogs in bikinis. 1.00

00:23:09.000 This is awful. 0.99

00:23:09.000 In men's bikinis. 0.99

00:23:10.000 This is awful. 0.99

00:23:11.000 This is so silly. 0.99

00:23:12.000 I'm outraged. 1.00

00:23:14.000 But the other one, confirmed, dot dot, men who objectify women are effing horrible. 0.79

00:23:19.000 So it's a woman looking straight at the camera. 0.99

00:23:22.000 She's like, girl, you know it's true. 1.00

00:23:24.000 I'm gonna fucking tell you, and you know, and the other girl's gonna be like, fuck yeah, them pieces of shit, man. 1.00

00:23:30.000 And look at the guy in the background. 1.00

00:23:31.000 They couldn't have picked a douchier-looking guy.

00:23:34.000 He looks pissed. 0.74

00:23:35.000 He just looks pissed.

00:23:36.000 And by the way, he's so beaten down, he's got a sheet over his head, the poor guy.

00:23:40.000 How about he's got his clothes on, and so does she, and they're under the covers.

00:23:43.000 This is a disaster of a relationship.

00:23:45.000 It has nothing to do with men objectifying women. 0.98

00:23:48.000 If he objectifies women, how the fuck did he trick you to the point where you're both with no clothes on, or with clothes on, under the covers? 0.97

00:23:54.000 What is going on here? 0.99

00:23:56.000 You're making poor choices as well.

00:23:58.000 Yeah.

00:23:59.000 See, when I think about objectifying women, I think about this. 1.00

00:24:02.000 Like, I think about, you know, because I think it's great.

00:24:05.000 I've been to strip clubs. 0.92

00:24:06.000 I've paid money to watch girls take their clothes off. 1.00

00:24:10.000 Maybe I've even paid money to have sex with girls. 1.00

00:24:12.000 I don't know, Joe. 0.98

00:24:13.000 There's a lot of people listening, and I have children.

00:24:15.000 Here's the point.

00:24:16.000 Here's the point when I was younger.

00:24:18.000 But I think when I think of objectifying women... 1.00

00:24:22.000 You can call me a feminist in terms of if you can do the job, I don't give a fuck what you look like. 1.00

00:24:29.000 But for me, objectifying a woman I suppose would be, well, she's just good for banging. 1.00

00:24:38.000 That's just three holes or two holes, depending on what you're into.

00:24:41.000 Treating them as a non-person.

00:24:44.000 Yeah, and then, of course, dolling them up and not really allowing them to realize their potential.

00:24:51.000 Maybe supporting policies or thoughts that don't allow them to do that.

00:24:58.000 I can understand how women have suffered from that and continue to.

00:25:02.000 I get it.

00:25:03.000 Russia, they talk about what it's like to be a woman in Russia.

00:25:06.000 I know that there are issues like that, but Come on, man.

00:25:11.000 Humor is really important, including humor that objectifies women. 1.00

00:25:15.000 It's fucking important. 0.97

00:25:17.000 It just makes it less of an issue, I think. 0.98

00:25:21.000 It really does.

00:25:22.000 Well, it completely depends upon what is the humor, what is the joke, what is the context.

00:25:27.000 There's a long, broad range of variables when we talk about comedy material that quote-unquote objectifies women. 0.99

00:25:36.000 But that, a flippant, off-the-cuff, humorous remark at some sort of a ridiculous little red carpet interview thing, you know those things. 0.98

00:25:44.000 Those things are ridiculous. 0.94

00:25:45.000 But will we have to apologize? 0.94

00:25:47.000 Oh, God, I hope he doesn't.

00:25:48.000 I hope he doesn't, but he works.

00:25:50.000 He's a working actor.

00:25:51.000 He's not a comedian.

00:25:52.000 See, working actors are always subject to the will of people that are out there that are looking to hire people.

00:26:00.000 You're always going to have to audition.

00:26:02.000 You're always going to have to get approved.

00:26:03.000 When Matt LeBlanc is up for things, there's probably a few other guys that are really high-profile guys that are up for it, too.

00:26:10.000 Right.

00:26:10.000 And if one of them is involved in some sort of scandal or someone thinks that they're objectifying women and they're effing horrible, they should leave show business, if that catches any momentum, there's horrible things that people have done, right?

00:26:24.000 Admittedly horrible that they themselves just fell apart.

00:26:28.000 Like Kramer, right?

00:26:29.000 Perfect example.

00:26:30.000 That was a career killer.

00:26:33.000 That killed that guy.

00:26:35.000 From then on, he is not the same guy.

00:26:38.000 That was a monster, whopper, awful thing that went down.

00:26:44.000 Which I'm more sympathetic to because if you did that, you better be ready for the consequences.

00:26:51.000 That was offensive, right?

00:26:52.000 I think...

00:26:53.000 He had an outburst, he had a moment, but you can't have...

00:26:56.000 It's like saying, I had a moment, and I punched that guy in the face, then stomped him in the head, and he can't walk the same.

00:27:01.000 Everybody has moments where you want to do certain things, but you've got to pay the price for that.

00:27:06.000 I also think...

00:27:08.000 Now, this is a complete rumor, but this is what I had heard, was that cocaine was involved.

00:27:16.000 Now, if that's true, it may not have been, and if it wasn't, I apologize. 0.92

00:27:20.000 Legal shit out of the way. 0.95

00:27:22.000 If cocaine was involved, people that are on coke get ridiculously confident and they say ridiculous shit that just does not jive with everyone around them because the other people around them aren't on coke. 0.99

00:27:33.000 They're not on coke in... 0.98

00:27:34.000 Especially, if you're on coke, it seems like you're all about yourself.

00:27:38.000 It seems like it becomes a very sort of a selfish, isolated little sort of environment protecting you.

00:27:44.000 It shouldn't make you a racist.

00:27:46.000 No, well, certainly, that's not what I'm saying.

00:27:48.000 But I'm saying he thought he could get away with that.

00:28:05.000 We're good to go.

00:28:08.000 And you agree with them.

00:28:11.000 There's nothing you can do.

00:28:12.000 You agree with them.

00:28:13.000 And so I think what Kramer was trying to do is hurt their feelings.

00:28:19.000 And that was how he thought he could hurt their feelings.

00:28:22.000 I'm sure.

00:28:23.000 I don't think he's a racist.

00:28:27.000 If you said, Kramer, if you think that because people have more melanin in their skin, they should be blah, blah, blah.

00:28:32.000 I don't think that's...

00:28:34.000 How he thinks. 0.98

00:28:35.000 I don't think he's that dumb, and I don't think... 0.99

00:28:37.000 But, again, again, that's a... 0.98

00:28:40.000 That's like the Mel Gibson thing, too. 0.98

00:28:42.000 Look, when you get drunk, or you're on blow, or whatever, if you then decide that the Jews are the reason everything sucks, and you start shouting that to a Jewish cop, or that, you know, you hope your girl gets, you know, 1.00

00:28:57.000 is forced to have sex with 19 black dudes, but using the N-word. 1.00

00:29:01.000 Yeah, I don't... 1.00

00:29:03.000 I've never really had those kinds of...

00:29:07.000 This is kind of mean, man.

00:29:10.000 It's also kind of like...

00:29:11.000 It's also...

00:29:12.000 What's the other word? 1.00

00:29:13.000 It's blatantly fucking racist speech. 1.00

00:29:16.000 You live in a world where you just can't say that shit, man. 1.00

00:29:18.000 It's the words of a crazy person. 1.00

00:29:20.000 Yes.

00:29:20.000 Because as time goes on and you become older and you meet more people, you realize there are a bunch of variables when it comes to people's behavior and what they do.

00:29:30.000 But those variables are usually based on culture, on economics, on the society that they live in, the family they grew up with.

00:29:40.000 And you're gonna meet people that you love that fill all of the blanks.

00:29:45.000 Asian, Caucasian, European.

00:29:47.000 You're gonna meet people you love that are all in there.

00:29:50.000 Because they're just extraordinary people. 1.00

00:29:51.000 And you're going to meet people that are fucking cunts. 1.00

00:29:54.000 And they're going to be in all those things, too. 1.00

00:29:55.000 There's just no way around that, folks. 0.98

00:29:57.000 And if you start siding on one gender or one race or one patch of dirt, you're fucking missing the whole thing. 0.98

00:30:04.000 Yeah. 0.95

00:30:05.000 The whole thing is we are globally one super organism that does not have the ability yet to communicate in real time across the board with each other in an incredibly honest way.

00:30:16.000 We can't really do that yet.

00:30:18.000 You can speak a certain amount of languages if you're a fucking super wizard, and you can figure your way through a lot of countries if you know their cultures. 0.99

00:30:25.000 But they're not necessarily going to understand ours unless they can read our fucking minds. 0.99

00:30:28.000 We all speak too many different languages. 0.99

00:30:31.000 We live in too many different places.

00:30:32.000 We're so used to one way of life that anything, any variations, any breakups in that one way of life throws everything into a fucking tizzy and no one knows what to do about it.

00:30:41.000 Whereas the rest of the world is experiencing all sorts of different strife.

00:30:45.000 I was watching this show the other day called Uncharted and this guy was...

00:30:49.000 I've talked about this before, but it was so harsh to watch.

00:30:54.000 His name is Jim Shockey, and he goes to all these really remote villages and stays with the local people.

00:31:00.000 And in this one, they were getting killed by crocodiles.

00:31:03.000 Oh, yeah.

00:31:04.000 I've seen this.

00:31:04.000 These people were going to the river, and every time they would go to the river, they would have to set up these nets.

00:31:09.000 And the crocodiles, they target people.

00:31:11.000 So when a crocodile starts targeting people, they have to go and shoot it. 1.00

00:31:14.000 And everyone in the village was fucked up, man. 1.00

00:31:17.000 Everyone in the village was... 1.00

00:31:18.000 Yeah, every fucking third or fourth person had a giant bite taken out of them. 0.99

00:31:22.000 It's crazy. 0.99

00:31:23.000 And they just live right next to this river and they survive off that river. 1.00

00:31:27.000 They live in these little huts and shit. 0.99

00:31:29.000 And you're thinking, like, you are complaining about the wispiest joke. 1.00

00:31:34.000 It might not have been the best joke, but I would have laughed if I was there.

00:31:37.000 Sure.

00:31:38.000 If he said that.

00:31:38.000 I would have thought that was silly.

00:31:39.000 Yeah.

00:31:41.000 The fact that we're trying to pretend that this is some sort of an outrage.

00:31:44.000 Also, who is she defending? 0.97

00:31:46.000 Who is she trying to defend here? 1.00

00:31:47.000 What is she trying to do? 0.73

00:31:49.000 That's the other thing.

00:31:49.000 It's more about her, those situations.

00:31:51.000 Well, it's recreational outrage.

00:31:53.000 It's a thing that people are doing.

00:31:55.000 It's a thing that people are doing today.

00:31:57.000 I've never heard that.

00:31:58.000 I love that expression.

00:31:59.000 It's recreational outrage.

00:32:01.000 It's recreational outrage.

00:32:03.000 They have decided to be outraged.

00:32:04.000 If you're outraged at that, if that is really filling up your time, like...

00:32:07.000 I am gonna... 1.00

00:32:08.000 Fuck this terror attack. 1.00

00:32:09.000 I am not Islamophobic. 1.00

00:32:11.000 I am not writing about the terrorist attack. 1.00

00:32:12.000 I am gonna write about Matt LeBlanc being a piece of shit. 1.00

00:32:15.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:32:15.000 He should leave now. 1.00

00:32:17.000 He's the problem. 0.99

00:32:18.000 He's the worst. 1.00

00:32:18.000 He's the problem. 1.00

00:32:19.000 When the bomb went off, I went, well, Matt LeBlanc is sexist. 0.98

00:32:22.000 Here's the thing.

00:32:23.000 Stop saying the worst.

00:32:25.000 Everybody.

00:32:25.000 Everybody stop saying the worst.

00:32:27.000 Because that is like, there's no better symbol of our sheltered time than people saying the worst.

00:32:33.000 I was reading this account of how certain people were tortured where they used to skin them alive with seashells.

00:32:40.000 They would take like an oyster shell and they would skin these people alive. 0.99

00:32:44.000 They would tie them down and skin them alive with oyster shells. 0.69

00:32:47.000 That's got to feel good.

00:32:48.000 Yeah, so that's the worst.

00:32:49.000 Yeah, that would be the worst.

00:32:50.000 That's the worst.

00:32:51.000 I'm with you on that.

00:32:52.000 I would have to say that that would be the worst.

00:32:54.000 The worst.

00:32:55.000 I think a good way, you know, another...

00:32:56.000 Here's a question, really.

00:32:59.000 There's this tendency that we all have, right? 0.98

00:33:01.000 So when this guy, you find this guy who fucking bombed people in Chelsea... 0.99

00:33:05.000 And you want him to die or you want him to go to jail forever and I hope he suffers and all that. 0.99

00:33:12.000 There's another way to look at things which might be not only more helpful, but might lead us to better solutions.

00:33:20.000 And I don't know if this is true, but there's a good way to look at human beings.

00:33:23.000 We all have the same hardware.

00:33:24.000 There's been a lot of science, a lot of work on this.

00:33:28.000 We basically have the same hardware.

00:33:31.000 If you look at the way human beings are, if you draw through lines, even with cultures that have been not exposed to a lot, but there's been a lot of work done.

00:33:40.000 Regardless if you're a Highlander in Papua New Guinea or you're a Northern European senator, a member of government, and you've been exposed to a lot, we recognize certain things.

00:33:51.000 Most cultures have a tradition of humorous insults.

00:33:55.000 Human beings, it seems, innately can tell the difference between joy and disgust and happy and sad.

00:34:05.000 We essentially have the same hardware.

00:34:08.000 It's why you can't really look at someone's skin or someone's racial features and You know, realize what they're capable of.

00:34:19.000 Could that guy be a scientist?

00:34:21.000 Well, he's black, he couldn't be, because there aren't a lot of scientists. 1.00

00:34:23.000 You just can't do that, and we all know that.

00:34:25.000 So, really, what it is is software, culture, what you have been exposed to, your belief system, what you've been told is true, what you've been told is right, what you've been told is good versus evil.

00:34:40.000 That is essentially what motivates people to do good and bad things.

00:34:47.000 You know, Freud said that man goes to war because he hates people.

00:34:51.000 Or that he has a lot of aggression and hatred.

00:34:54.000 There are a lot of other scholars that say maybe not.

00:34:57.000 In fact, men don't go to war out of hatred.

00:35:00.000 They go to war out of love.

00:35:02.000 They go to war because they love the country they are defending.

00:35:06.000 They go to war under symbols and propaganda.

00:35:09.000 They go to war under and for an idea that they are defending because men and countries define themselves along the lines, along certain lines.

00:35:18.000 That they are, if you think about any man, we all have a line.

00:35:22.000 We all have a line that we're willing to, at least in our mind, that we're willing to defend with our lives.

00:35:27.000 Probably at the front door of our house, if somebody's coming in to try to get to our kids, but certainly our country.

00:35:32.000 This country is very nationalistic.

00:35:33.000 If you start talking about, you know, Americans get very nationalistic.

00:35:39.000 If you start, you know, making fun of the flag, there it is.

00:35:41.000 Look at that flag.

00:35:45.000 So, it's better sometimes to think to yourself, I wonder what kind of software went into this guy's head, this guy who just did the bombings in New York.

00:35:55.000 What kind of software was he exposed to?

00:35:57.000 Obviously, it wasn't good software.

00:35:59.000 And it might make us...

00:36:02.000 I don't know if compassion is the word, but it might make us more understanding.

00:36:07.000 And so, if you understand your enemy or the enemy, which may not be people, but rather an ideology...

00:36:14.000 Maybe that's the best way to then fight it.

00:36:17.000 I always try to look at perspective as like a large creation that's made with little tiny Lego blocks and with every life experience that I have I try to add a few more Lego blocks and they might not change me radically but over time those Lego blocks can build and become a significant structure something you can see and look at and measure that's cool and every time one of these things happens I always try to think of there's perspective that

00:36:47.000 I had when When my kids started walking and talking to them and seeing them go from Coming out of their mother's body to being a little person I could talk to I started realizing okay, it seems like My thought was always that people were static.

00:37:05.000 That I meet, you know, Mike McGee, and he's 32 years old.

00:37:08.000 Hey, Mike, how are you?

00:37:09.000 Nice to meet you.

00:37:10.000 This is Mike McGee.

00:37:11.000 He's 32. Mike was a baby at one point in time.

00:37:14.000 He came out of his mother's body, a helpless little thing like all of us did.

00:37:17.000 And then through all sorts of weirdness, life experiences that are completely random, and people that probably were totally unqualified teaching them things, and growing up with a bunch of other kids that were similar in a lot of ways. 0.72

00:37:31.000 Similarly getting fucked up by their parents, their upbringing, their religion, and a million different variables, right?

00:37:38.000 And then there's all these alpha chimpanzee jockeying positional things that go on. 0.99

00:37:44.000 In these relationships with kids and kids bully kids and sometimes those kids that are bullied it ruins them for the rest of their life and they just they're devastated for like literally to the grave from some shit that happened when they were 10. So we're we're subject to so many different variables and so many different points of data entry like data can come at us in so many different ways whether it's physical data whether it's just reading the news and trying to understand like why would someone go to a nightclub In Orlando

00:38:14.000 and just start shooting gay people. 1.00

00:38:15.000 Why would someone drive a truck in France and just drive over those people? 1.00

00:38:21.000 Why would someone do that?

00:38:22.000 That was a baby at one point in time.

00:38:25.000 Something has led to that.

00:38:28.000 And we have to look at all the things that influence us.

00:38:31.000 All of them.

00:38:32.000 Whether it's behavioral things, whether it's things that were beaten into you by just life's hard lessons.

00:38:39.000 And then the big one that nobody wants to discuss.

00:38:43.000 Ideologies.

00:38:44.000 Call them whatever you want.

00:38:45.000 You want to call them religions?

00:38:46.000 You want to call them cults?

00:38:47.000 Call them whatever you want.

00:38:49.000 But the bottom line is, they're incredibly structured patterns of behavior that you are forced to follow that can be real dangerous if people don't follow them.

00:38:58.000 And nobody wants to admit that.

00:38:59.000 Nobody wants to admit that when you leave this pattern of behavior, you're supposed to be killed. 0.99

00:39:06.000 No one wants to admit if you vary from this pattern of behavior and do no one any harm, like homosexuals, you're to be killed. 1.00

00:39:13.000 I mean, there's some really, and you know, oh, this Islamophobia on this show has got to stop. 0.99

00:39:18.000 I'm scared of rats. 0.96

00:39:19.000 I'm scared of a lot of dogs.

00:39:21.000 Let me just tell you what I'm scared of.

00:39:22.000 I'm scared of a lot of people. 0.85

00:39:23.000 I'm scared of Christians. 1.00

00:39:25.000 I'm scared of ex-cons.

00:39:27.000 I'm scared of people.

00:39:27.000 Guys in vans driving around.

00:39:29.000 I'm scared of clowns. 1.00

00:39:30.000 I'm scared of a lot of shit. 1.00

00:39:31.000 So this idea of having a phobia Over a, you know, a particular ideology or a particular religion. 1.00

00:39:38.000 Well, it's like having a phobia over pattern recognition, too.

00:39:40.000 You can pattern, right?

00:39:42.000 You stay alive by being able to recognize patterns.

00:39:45.000 Yeah, and it's, you know.

00:39:46.000 But the important aspect of it is, and this is always what's important, is that most people that are practicing that aren't hurting anybody, right?

00:39:53.000 Right.

00:39:53.000 Most people that are practicing Muslims aren't hurting anybody because there's so many of them.

00:39:57.000 If they were, if there was a war between Muslims and Christians and it was just spilling out of the streets every day, Jesus Christ, you'd be a bloodbath everywhere. 0.99

00:40:05.000 1,300,000,000 Muslims, I think. 0.86

00:40:07.000 It would be insane.

00:40:08.000 So the problem is not a particular ideology in as much as it's a particular strain of the ideology. 0.99

00:40:19.000 Whether it's a Christian that goes to an abortion clinic with a fucking high-powered rifle and starts taking people out. 1.00

00:40:25.000 Whatever it is. 1.00

00:40:26.000 Somebody who thinks they have the truth with a capital T, which is called a fundamentalist.

00:40:30.000 We're all fundamentalists.

00:40:32.000 We all have aspects of our personalities and our belief systems that are fundamentalists.

00:40:36.000 If you ask me about sugar, I'll wax poetic.

00:40:39.000 I'll tell you all about the evils of sugar, and I really believe I'm right.

00:40:42.000 Now, I have a lot of data and science behind me, but...

00:40:46.000 I have all kinds of ideas about why sugar's bad and fat and protein's good for you because I've lived it and I've done it and I'm sure you have your own point of view.

00:40:55.000 I had a peanut butter and jelly sandwich today.

00:40:56.000 And it was damn good. 0.94

00:40:58.000 With milk. 0.85

00:40:58.000 And you didn't hurt anybody, including you probably didn't hurt yourself. 0.85

00:41:01.000 Took a cheat meal.

00:41:02.000 Because you're not a fundamentalist.

00:41:03.000 But every now and then.

00:41:04.000 Thank you.

00:41:05.000 Thank you.

00:41:06.000 A glass of milk?

00:41:06.000 Ooh, it was good.

00:41:09.000 A little glass of milk?

00:41:10.000 I hope it was raw milk.

00:41:11.000 I hope it was raw because you're going to die.

00:41:12.000 It wasn't, but I love raw milk.

00:41:14.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:41:15.000 Raw milk is the shit. 1.00

00:41:16.000 I get the raw goat milk from Erewhon. 1.00

00:41:17.000 You go deep.

00:41:18.000 You know, you can get, hold on to your horses, and I think it's about $35.

00:41:23.000 I've never bought it, but you can get camel milk.

00:41:25.000 Whoa.

00:41:25.000 Oh, yeah.

00:41:26.000 What?

00:41:26.000 Talk about the Middle East.

00:41:28.000 The Bedouin, famed for their sexual prowess, lived on camel milk. 1.00

00:41:33.000 You mean milk like as in titty milk or sucking cocks? 1.00

00:41:36.000 No, no, no. 0.99

00:41:36.000 I'm talking about... 0.99

00:41:37.000 God damn it. 0.99

00:41:38.000 No, I mean titty milk. 1.00

00:41:39.000 Camel milk, right?

00:41:40.000 Wink, wink.

00:41:41.000 No, man! 1.00

00:41:41.000 I'm not talking about dick milk. 1.00

00:41:43.000 I'm talking about guy cream, you fuck. 1.00

00:41:45.000 I'm talking about fucking camel milk from their udders. 1.00

00:41:48.000 In Australia, they hunt camels. 1.00

00:41:52.000 And they have no...

00:41:53.000 Like, Australia is kind of a crazy place.

00:41:55.000 And Australia and New Zealand are very similar in that they don't really have any natural predators.

00:42:00.000 Because they were separated from the rest of the planet when that whole Pangea thing happened.

00:42:05.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

00:42:05.000 So all they have is like, they have crocodiles, but crocodiles are, for the most part, they only get things that are really stupid. 1.00

00:42:11.000 They get things that are forced to go through rivers. 0.98

00:42:14.000 That's what they get.

00:42:15.000 They get things that are too close to the water.

00:42:16.000 Guys are fishing in wasting water.

00:42:18.000 But they have so many animals that crocodiles are just not going to get, like kangaroos.

00:42:23.000 They're not going to kill all the kangaroos. 0.99

00:42:24.000 It's just not going to happen. 0.68

00:42:25.000 You know, so they have to bring in people to kill camels. 0.98

00:42:28.000 That's crazy! 0.94

00:42:29.000 They have to bring in people to kill a lot of their animals.

00:42:30.000 So camels are indigenous to Australia, or were they brought there?

00:42:33.000 No, they were brought there.

00:42:34.000 Here's what's crazy, man.

00:42:36.000 All the animals were brought there.

00:42:37.000 They tried to turn Australia and New Zealand into some incredible hunting destination for old-schooly rich dudes in like the 1800s.

00:42:46.000 Really?

00:42:46.000 Yeah, they totally violated all the laws of ecosystem.

00:42:49.000 I didn't know that.

00:42:50.000 Yeah, because they brought these animals over and they didn't bring over companion predators.

00:42:56.000 So you have wild stags where they've never had any predator.

00:43:00.000 And they're just giant!

00:43:01.000 And they're roaming through the woods.

00:43:02.000 You know how to take care of them?

00:43:03.000 They fly overhead with helicopters and gun them down and let them rot.

00:43:07.000 Really?

00:43:08.000 Yeah, they have to control the population.

00:43:09.000 They literally sometimes are forced with some of these animals to gun them down and just leave them there to rot.

00:43:14.000 They get the meat.

00:43:15.000 It's delicious meat.

00:43:16.000 They don't have a problem with meat.

00:43:17.000 They have a surplus of meat.

00:43:19.000 You know, most of the venison that we get is from New Zealand.

00:43:22.000 Right.

00:43:22.000 When you get elk, it's from New Zealand.

00:43:23.000 And they brag about it.

00:43:24.000 New Zealand elk filet.

00:43:26.000 Yes, yes.

00:43:27.000 Colorado's right there.

00:43:28.000 I know.

00:43:29.000 How is it? 0.99

00:43:31.000 What the fuck is going on over there? 0.99

00:43:32.000 I'll tell you what's going on over there. 0.99

00:43:33.000 No mountain lions.

00:43:34.000 Yeah.

00:43:34.000 No bears, no wolves, no coyotes, and no people.

00:43:38.000 You put a couple families of wolves out there. 0.96

00:43:39.000 Wolves would just kill the shit out of everything and leave it. 1.00

00:43:42.000 They would kill the shit out of everything. 0.99

00:43:43.000 It's like, hey, let's have some fun today. 0.99

00:43:45.000 There was an interesting story that I posted a couple days ago that I read on one of the...

00:43:50.000 I think one of the...

00:43:54.000 Outdoorsy type websites, but it was about a guy talking about how his dog got killed by wolves and that he wasn't mad at the wolves.

00:44:00.000 He found his dog's head.

00:44:02.000 He couldn't find the dog.

00:44:02.000 And she was like 18 years old, German Shepherd.

00:44:05.000 And he went walking, trying to find her and then found her head.

00:44:07.000 And it was like, oh my God, who did that?

00:44:09.000 Why would anybody do that? 0.74

00:44:10.000 He thought it was a person, like some crazy serial killer.

00:44:12.000 And then he realizes he got further on and a lot of evidence of a wolf attack.

00:44:16.000 Phew.

00:44:17.000 If you've ever seen what a wolf does, we came upon a wolf calf that had been killed, not a wolf calf, a moose calf, rather, that had been killed by wolves in Canada when I was there about a year and a half ago.

00:44:32.000 Actually, it's two years ago now.

00:44:34.000 And it was really weird because I didn't expect to see all the hair.

00:44:38.000 And I was like, oh yeah, of course.

00:44:39.000 They'd have to, like, get rid of the hair.

00:44:41.000 Yeah, they don't eat the hair, I guess.

00:44:42.000 Well, they spit it up, they chew it up, but it was...

00:44:45.000 I always just thought, like, when you would find a carcass, that it'd be just, like, torn apart.

00:44:50.000 But it's not just torn apart.

00:44:51.000 Like, hair is everywhere.

00:44:53.000 Yeah.

00:44:53.000 It's like all over the ground.

00:44:55.000 It's like a bomb.

00:44:55.000 A hair bomb.

00:44:56.000 Yeah.

00:44:56.000 Did you see...

00:44:57.000 I have that picture up there.

00:44:58.000 See if you can find it.

00:44:59.000 The moose calf killed by...

00:45:01.000 Yeah, I've seen that.

00:45:02.000 Have you seen that in the wild?

00:45:04.000 Yeah.

00:45:04.000 Where did you see it?

00:45:06.000 I can't remember.

00:45:08.000 I saw something in Topanga Canyon, actually, where a coyote gets a hold of a rabbit.

00:45:16.000 And there was, right in Topanga, there was a deer...

00:45:20.000 That had been killed by a mountain lion.

00:45:22.000 Whoa.

00:45:23.000 Yeah.

00:45:23.000 Just bones and...

00:45:25.000 Look at that.

00:45:25.000 Look at all that hair.

00:45:26.000 Yeah.

00:45:27.000 It's like a blanket of hair.

00:45:29.000 That's crazy.

00:45:29.000 Like hay in the bottom of a farm or a barn or something.

00:45:32.000 But look, they had chewed all the meat off the face, everything.

00:45:35.000 Amazing.

00:45:35.000 It's from 96 weeks ago.

00:45:40.000 Wow. 1.00

00:45:41.000 Look at that fucking picture. 1.00

00:45:42.000 That is crazy. 1.00

00:45:43.000 We found that because of crows.

00:45:46.000 That's nuts, really?

00:45:47.000 Yeah, we were walking down this road, and these crows started circling overhead, and my friend Mike Hawkridge, he's like, let's go see what they're squawking about.

00:45:55.000 So you don't want to walk with your dog on trails, then, in wolf territory?

00:45:59.000 Well, you know what, man?

00:46:00.000 Wolves, for the most part, will avoid people.

00:46:02.000 A dog usually means there's people, but if the dog gets crazy and goes chasing after them, gets away, they'll take that thing out.

00:46:08.000 Yeah.

00:46:08.000 And even if they're not even trying to eat it, they might take it out because it's a competing predator.

00:46:13.000 Right.

00:46:13.000 I'm reading this Dan Flores book called Coyote America, and it's all about...

00:46:19.000 I found out about him from Ranella's podcast.

00:46:21.000 He was Ranella's natural history professor, I think.

00:46:26.000 He's either a wildlife historian or...

00:46:31.000 One of those.

00:46:32.000 But his whole deal is studying the history of an animal in a certain part of the world. 0.98

00:46:38.000 His coyote book is fucking fascinating. 0.96

00:46:41.000 Why? 0.99

00:46:41.000 What does he talk about? 0.99

00:46:42.000 First of all, they're all the same thing.

00:46:44.000 Coyotes are wolves.

00:46:46.000 Yeah.

00:46:46.000 They're all wolves.

00:46:47.000 So, like, when people are talking about these coy wolves... 0.99

00:46:50.000 Those coy wolves were probably like a red wolf or an eastern wolf fucked a coyote and that thing fucked a coyote. 1.00

00:46:59.000 Wow. 0.99

00:46:59.000 And they're all like 20%- Really? 0.99

00:47:01.000 Yeah, there's like 10% wolf and 20% wolf.

00:47:04.000 There's not like a 50-50 thing going on.

00:47:06.000 There's like all these crazy interbreeds.

00:47:08.000 And the bottom line is they're all the same animal.

00:47:11.000 All wolves are the same animal.

00:47:12.000 Not only that, all canines emanated in North America.

00:47:15.000 How about this?

00:47:16.000 All horses.

00:47:18.000 Evolved in North America, including zebras.

00:47:20.000 I thought they came from the Asian steppes.

00:47:22.000 I thought so, too.

00:47:23.000 What?

00:47:23.000 They all made it over there millions of years ago from America.

00:47:27.000 Here's the really fucked up thing. 0.99

00:47:28.000 They don't know why they went extinct in America. 0.99

00:47:31.000 Horses started in America, went extinct in America, thrived in other parts of the world, and were reintroduced to America.

00:47:37.000 That's so weird.

00:47:39.000 It's crazy.

00:47:39.000 Yeah.

00:47:40.000 Can I show you the video of me being surrounded by coyotes?

00:47:43.000 No.

00:47:43.000 I'll show it to you after this.

00:47:44.000 Where was that?

00:47:45.000 Can you send it to Jamie and I'll play it?

00:47:47.000 Let me try to find it.

00:47:49.000 But the point being is that there's this really nutty history that I had no idea about.

00:47:55.000 All these animals, jackals in Africa emanated from North America, started out as canines here.

00:48:02.000 God. 1.00

00:48:03.000 Those fucking things spread everywhere. 1.00

00:48:05.000 I've seen fox here in California when I was hiking. 1.00

00:48:08.000 And I've seen bobcat.

00:48:10.000 I've seen fox in Colorado, but I've seen bobcats out here.

00:48:13.000 But here's the deal, the really crazy thing about coyotes versus any of these other animals.

00:48:19.000 Because of the fact that gray wolves were like their competitors.

00:48:22.000 They're the bigger dog.

00:48:23.000 They used to kill them.

00:48:24.000 They developed all these different methods of staying alive.

00:48:27.000 And one of them is when they scream out, you know, that, that's a roll call.

00:48:31.000 That's what they're doing.

00:48:32.000 Really?

00:48:32.000 They're making a roll call.

00:48:33.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:48:33.000 Because some shit's gone down, maybe they've killed something. 1.00

00:48:36.000 Damn. 1.00

00:48:37.000 You want to make sure everybody's around. 0.99

00:48:38.000 Yep.

00:48:38.000 And when someone's missing, when someone doesn't respond and goes missing, the female produces more pups in her litter.

00:48:45.000 Significantly more.

00:48:46.000 God.

00:48:46.000 Yeah.

00:48:47.000 That's unbelievable.

00:48:47.000 There's some sort of a biological effect when one goes missing.

00:48:50.000 And she can go from four, if it's a healthy population, to like 16. Right?

00:48:55.000 So here's one of the ways they know this is a fact, that these wolves are capable of doing this, is that when they introduced wolves to Yellowstone, wolves hadn't been in Yellowstone since they eradicated them, right?

00:49:09.000 So these people came across North America, killed all these wolves, and the way they would do it is through using their system of communicating, and using the fact that they're these tight-knit groups.

00:49:22.000 And these packs and their families, they stick together.

00:49:25.000 So they would kill one wolf, rub its scent all over a carcass, inject the carcass of a horse, they would shoot a horse, inject the horse with strychnine.

00:49:34.000 So that way they're killing two birds with one stone.

00:49:36.000 They were getting rid of the wild horses, which had become a real problem, and they are still a problem today.

00:49:40.000 Wild horses?

00:49:41.000 They kill wild horses in America all the time.

00:49:43.000 I didn't know that.

00:49:44.000 Yeah, I didn't know that either.

00:49:45.000 Jesus.

00:49:45.000 Dude, it's nuts.

00:49:46.000 And the fact that there's thousands, tens of thousands of wild horses in North America right now, to the point where- Tens of thousands of wild horses in America.

00:49:55.000 There are people that are advocating for the hunting season of wild horses.

00:50:00.000 Unreal.

00:50:00.000 Yeah.

00:50:01.000 That's a lot of meat. 0.81

00:50:02.000 It's a lot of meat.

00:50:03.000 It's like an elk.

00:50:04.000 Yeah.

00:50:05.000 And it's funny because if you'd shot, there'd be a great deal of protest probably.

00:50:10.000 Oh yeah.

00:50:10.000 Because we know horses, we ride them.

00:50:12.000 It's like dogs, man.

00:50:13.000 Yeah.

00:50:14.000 Yeah.

00:50:15.000 But these animals all started here.

00:50:17.000 It's really bizarre.

00:50:19.000 That is so strange.

00:50:20.000 He gets into, on Ranella's podcast, the mass extinctions that occurred somewhere in the range of the last Ice Age and maybe sometime even before that, some of them, and how little they know about what killed them all.

00:50:35.000 And there's all this speculation.

00:50:37.000 What I thought was interesting was that there's speculation that when the buffalo, you know, started to go extinct, they had already started.

00:50:45.000 Well, apparently, the Native Americans that were on horseback and were riding and would follow the buffalo. 0.78

00:50:53.000 They weren't that sustainable with their practices?

00:50:57.000 Yes.

00:50:57.000 Well, this is when they started hunting with rifles on horseback.

00:51:01.000 Oh, okay.

00:51:01.000 With rifles.

00:51:01.000 Yes.

00:51:02.000 This is all Dan Flores.

00:51:03.000 He advocates the possibility, not advocates, but he brings up the possibility that they could have possibly extirpated those animals from their areas just based on rifles and horsebacks without the market meat farm.

00:51:21.000 They're human beings.

00:51:22.000 Market hunting. 1.00

00:51:23.000 When they started market hunting, that's when everything went fucked up. 1.00

00:51:26.000 Because they would kill, apparently, thousands and thousands of buffaloes and just cut the tongues out. 0.99

00:51:32.000 Really? 0.76

00:51:32.000 Yep. 0.76

00:51:33.000 Why?

00:51:33.000 Because the tongues were worth money.

00:51:35.000 People liked to eat buffalo tongues.

00:51:37.000 It's like a delicacy.

00:51:39.000 I will not eat brain or tongue.

00:51:40.000 I can't find my coyote stuff.

00:51:42.000 I'm sorry.

00:51:42.000 That's all right.

00:51:43.000 Don't worry about it.

00:51:43.000 Just put it down.

00:51:44.000 I can't eat tongue or brain.

00:51:47.000 I'm down for either.

00:51:48.000 Those are the two things.

00:51:49.000 Really?

00:51:50.000 You'll eat tongue?

00:51:50.000 I eat organs.

00:51:51.000 I don't eat organs either.

00:51:52.000 I'm not into kidney.

00:51:54.000 You ate liver.

00:51:54.000 I'll eat liver.

00:51:55.000 But even liver I eat because I'm there and I'm like, we're men.

00:52:00.000 Let's eat liver. 1.00

00:52:01.000 But overall, fuck off. 1.00

00:52:03.000 Fuck off with your organs. 1.00

00:52:05.000 I'll eat heart. 1.00

00:52:05.000 Heart's not bad. 1.00

00:52:07.000 That road deer I killed in London, in England.

00:52:11.000 They're not shooting things in London. 0.99

00:52:13.000 Yeah, it was ridiculous. 0.98

00:52:14.000 It was ridiculous. 0.99

00:52:15.000 But my friend has so much property, he has to kill 21 deer. 0.98

00:52:17.000 He has to kill 21 deer on his property every year.

00:52:20.000 Wow.

00:52:20.000 That's how rich he is, yeah.

00:52:22.000 And so we ate it.

00:52:24.000 Yeah.

00:52:25.000 We ate it and it was the crunchiest and it made me sick.

00:52:29.000 And the warden said, hey, that's a roe deer.

00:52:33.000 You gotta hang that for three weeks.

00:52:35.000 Could you just skin it, cut it up and eat it with a good glass of wine?

00:52:39.000 I was like, yeah.

00:52:40.000 He goes, no.

00:52:42.000 No, not with that kind of meat.

00:52:44.000 What's wrong with the meat?

00:52:45.000 It's, and I'm not exaggerating, it's crunchy like meat.

00:52:51.000 Like the way you would, if you just cut it up and put it in a plant and fried it with butter, it crunches almost like a carrot.

00:52:57.000 How about that?

00:52:58.000 Yeah.

00:52:59.000 That's how hard the meat is.

00:53:00.000 What?

00:53:01.000 Uh-huh.

00:53:02.000 That's why you gotta hang it for three weeks and let it break down.

00:53:06.000 You cannot eat that deer meat like that.

00:53:08.000 It's a roe deer.

00:53:09.000 I haven't even heard of that before.

00:53:10.000 Well, I had liver that tastes like that where it crunches.

00:53:14.000 And the same thing with this.

00:53:16.000 And I'm talking about the muscle meat.

00:53:17.000 The muscle meat.

00:53:18.000 That's so weird.

00:53:19.000 We both got sick.

00:53:20.000 I wasn't right for three days.

00:53:23.000 Really?

00:53:23.000 My buddy wasn't right for a week.

00:53:25.000 And the game warden was like, you gotta hang that.

00:53:28.000 That's a roe deer. 0.97

00:53:29.000 You gotta hang that.

00:53:30.000 Somebody, I'm sure, knows about this, but I didn't know.

00:53:32.000 What a bizarre practice hanging meat is.

00:53:35.000 Oh yeah, three weeks.

00:53:35.000 Waiting for things to rot.

00:53:37.000 Minimum of three weeks.

00:53:38.000 I know a lot of guys who do that in their refrigerator.

00:53:40.000 They do their own version of dry aging.

00:53:43.000 Dry aging.

00:53:44.000 Yeah.

00:53:44.000 You take a steak.

00:53:45.000 Yeah, you're putting it on like a flat tray with like a...

00:53:49.000 Yeah.

00:53:50.000 Napkin underneath it. 0.98

00:53:50.000 Fucking delicious, by the way. 0.98

00:53:53.000 Fucking delicious. 0.99

00:53:53.000 It's so weird when you go to the butcher. 0.99

00:53:55.000 If you ever go to Whole Foods and you pass by the butcher, you can look in that window into that dry aging room and you just look at rot.

00:54:01.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:54:01.000 My kids were like, what the fuck is that? 0.99

00:54:04.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

00:54:05.000 That's rot.

00:54:07.000 It's on the outside of the meat.

00:54:08.000 They're going to cut that away.

00:54:10.000 Yeah, that's what it looks like.

00:54:11.000 Look at cheese.

00:54:12.000 Look at those photos.

00:54:12.000 Cheese is just full of mold and...

00:54:14.000 Cheese is full of mold, but we don't identify with cheese.

00:54:18.000 Cheese is some foreign substance.

00:54:20.000 When you look at that steak, you understand that that's supposed to be red like meat.

00:54:23.000 That's amazing.

00:54:24.000 It's a bizarre practice. 0.99

00:54:26.000 Yeah, I'll eat the shit out of it. 0.99

00:54:27.000 Five day dry. 0.99

00:54:28.000 Look at it, it's starting to shrivel up.

00:54:30.000 God bless it.

00:54:31.000 It's weird.

00:54:32.000 Break down. 1.00

00:54:33.000 Break it down, you fuck. 1.00

00:54:34.000 It is weird, right? 1.00

00:54:35.000 It's weird that people figured that out.

00:54:37.000 Yeah.

00:54:37.000 I didn't know that about roe deer.

00:54:39.000 So they must be like super muscular or something.

00:54:42.000 Is that what it is?

00:54:42.000 There's not a lot of meat and they're small and they're hard.

00:54:45.000 It's not...

00:54:45.000 You shoot it and you don't feel very good.

00:54:47.000 It's like the size of a fucking, you know... 1.00

00:54:50.000 Like a mid-sized dog. 1.00

00:54:52.000 Ah, shit. 1.00

00:54:53.000 I'm a loser. 1.00

00:54:54.000 Like a collie? 0.66

00:54:55.000 Yeah, and plus they're not really hunted, so I didn't know what was really going on.

00:54:58.000 It was nibbling away, and it wasn't, you know, I was like, ah, man.

00:55:02.000 I had this $15,000 German sniper rifle.

00:55:08.000 It's called a Blauser, I think.

00:55:10.000 Yeah, blaser.

00:55:11.000 A blaser. 0.53

00:55:13.000 And I shot it standing up. 0.95

00:55:17.000 I had a stand.

00:55:18.000 You saw the video.

00:55:20.000 And, you know, listen, it wasn't very far away from me.

00:55:22.000 Dude, there's a video, apparently, this thing of roe deer.

00:55:25.000 And it goes back to the same thing we were talking about with Australia not having any natural predators.

00:55:32.000 These roe deer, they bring in snipers to take them out in England.

00:55:35.000 And there's high-speed video footage.

00:55:37.000 Where they blow their heads off? 0.99

00:55:38.000 They blow their heads off with plastic bullets. 0.92

00:55:41.000 Oh, I didn't know they were plastic bullets.

00:55:42.000 Yeah, these plastic bullets.

00:55:43.000 Yeah.

00:55:43.000 Because I guess plastic bullets just don't make it through there and hit anything else.

00:55:48.000 Like once they hit that, it probably just explodes.

00:55:50.000 Yeah.

00:55:51.000 But the heads explode.

00:55:52.000 I mean, have you seen it?

00:55:53.000 I'd like to see it again. 0.99

00:55:55.000 I know it's fucked up. 0.99

00:55:55.000 Like a child's toy. 0.99

00:55:56.000 You know those child's toys that you squeeze and the eyes poke out of the head like that?

00:55:59.000 Yeah.

00:56:00.000 They go, boink, boink. 0.82

00:56:00.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.82

00:56:01.000 By the way, what's sick is that I've not only seen it many times, I've thought about it as recently as a week ago.

00:56:07.000 You have to think about it.

00:56:08.000 It's just like a crazy thing that here's this deer moving around and then here's its head exploding.

00:56:14.000 Same thing would happen to a human.

00:56:15.000 And they have to do it or those things will overpopulate.

00:56:19.000 So it's like either that or...

00:56:22.000 I'm sure you've seen that video, because it was a really interesting video, how wolves change rivers.

00:56:26.000 It was about the Yellowstone wolves being reintroduced into Yellowstone and how they've changed the course of the rivers because they've killed deer, which allowed these plants to grow that didn't grow before and changed the course of the rivers.

00:56:40.000 Wow.

00:56:40.000 Yeah, really interesting stuff.

00:56:41.000 Really interesting stuff about the reintroduction of wolves.

00:56:43.000 But it's essentially what biologists were trying to do by reintroducing wolves was introduce a natural...

00:57:05.000 I don't know.

00:57:11.000 They're a part of that whole thing.

00:57:13.000 They were there when the elk were there.

00:57:15.000 There's never elk without the wolf.

00:57:16.000 And when there are elk without the wolf, you get what you got in New Zealand.

00:57:19.000 You got people flying overhead with helicopters, gunning them down, just letting the meat run.

00:57:22.000 There's no top predator, right? 0.99

00:57:23.000 And it also feels fucked up. 0.98

00:57:26.000 Like, if you were over in New Zealand, we're going hunting, and as we're going up the hill, man, what a beautiful countryside, and look at all these animals. 0.99

00:57:33.000 And then we hear a helicopter fly overhead, and one ridge over, they're just gunning down stags.

00:57:39.000 Yeah.

00:57:40.000 And we go over the top of the hell, and this is like what we'd, you know, we'd romanticize this trip, we're gonna go there, we're gonna live off the land, we're gonna take a stag, thank you stag for giving me your life, your flesh will feed my... 0.99

00:57:51.000 Meanwhile, there's a fucking helicopter just indiscriminately gunning them down because there's too many of them shitting the grass. 0.99

00:57:59.000 And they just let them rot up there, man. 1.00

00:58:01.000 I'd be in there with my knife, taking off a bunch of steak, and that's what we'd be doing.

00:58:05.000 We'd camp right there.

00:58:05.000 Yeah, but we'd be bummed out, and I wouldn't shoot an animal.

00:58:08.000 I'd be like, well, there's no way I can justify shooting an animal.

00:58:11.000 There's no way.

00:58:12.000 There's meat here.

00:58:13.000 It's just killed.

00:58:15.000 We're done.

00:58:15.000 Right.

00:58:16.000 So we're just going to chalk this off to an experience.

00:58:18.000 This will just be a bit we talk about on stage.

00:58:20.000 Oh, here's the deer's head exploding.

00:58:23.000 That's so cute, too.

00:58:23.000 That's a very cute one.

00:58:24.000 It might be a fall-on.

00:58:25.000 A bummer.

00:58:26.000 Is it a button bump?

00:58:27.000 Oh, look at that.

00:58:27.000 Poor thing.

00:58:28.000 Boing! 0.99

00:58:29.000 Good lord.

00:58:30.000 That's a crazy shot.

00:58:31.000 That's with a plastic bullet?

00:58:33.000 Yeah, apparently they use plastic bullets because they're doing them in urban environments.

00:58:36.000 Godgums, they're so powerful.

00:58:38.000 So they're using suppressors, plastic bullets, and ba-blang! 1.00

00:58:41.000 Take it out!

00:58:42.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:58:43.000 There's a place in Pennsylvania where they allow deer hunting all throughout the year because there's so many fucking deer. 0.97

00:58:50.000 And people set up tree stands in their backyards and they hire hunters or advertise for hunters to come and shoot their deer. 0.98

00:58:59.000 My mother in Connecticut, she would plant flowers and she was obsessed with her flowers.

00:59:04.000 And the deer would come in and eat them.

00:59:07.000 And my mother walked into my room and said, listen to me.

00:59:13.000 I'm going to buy you a crossbow.

00:59:15.000 And you're into this shooting stuff. 1.00

00:59:17.000 I want you to kill the deer. 0.99

00:59:19.000 And I said, okay, it's very illegal though. 0.99

00:59:23.000 She says, I know.

00:59:25.000 So you're going to have to be very careful.

00:59:27.000 I said, I know, but I think it's super illegal.

00:59:30.000 We can get in big trouble.

00:59:31.000 She said, That's not the point. 0.98

00:59:34.000 I want you to kill the deer that are eating my flowers.

00:59:36.000 Did you do it? 0.97

00:59:37.000 I didn't because I talked her out of it. 0.99

00:59:39.000 I was like, listen, you got to put a fence over your fucking flowers because I think we could get fined like $100,000 or something crazy for your flowers and that's probably not worth it. 0.99

00:59:49.000 Yeah, you can go to jail, but I know a lady who's... 1.00

00:59:52.000 Also, I didn't know how to use a crossbow.

00:59:53.000 I just, I didn't know.

00:59:54.000 I was like, it'd be cool, but...

00:59:55.000 That's the beautiful thing about crossbows.

00:59:57.000 You don't have to know.

00:59:57.000 The learning curve's super short.

00:59:59.000 Yeah.

00:59:59.000 Yeah, just as long as you're resting it on something, you don't punch the trigger.

01:00:02.000 This is all you have to learn how to do with a crossbow.

01:00:04.000 Ready?

01:00:05.000 That's it.

01:00:05.000 Can you do that?

01:00:07.000 Don't jerk it.

01:00:08.000 Don't jerk it, because there's an instinct to jerk it.

01:00:10.000 Just go like that.

01:00:10.000 Just go...

01:00:11.000 Let it out three-quarters of the way.

01:00:13.000 Squeeze.

01:00:15.000 Gently.

01:00:16.000 There you go.

01:00:17.000 Yeah, all on the trigger.

01:00:18.000 Trigger just moves.

01:00:19.000 Trigger doesn't even know what's going on.

01:00:21.000 You just push, push, push, push.

01:00:23.000 The real reason I didn't do it, I remember, is not because I didn't think I could do it.

01:00:27.000 It was more because I figured if I shot the deer with a crossbow or a bow and arrow, it would run.

01:00:34.000 And I'd have to track it, and it would run in somebody else's yard, and then they'd find a deer that had a bow and arrow, and then they'd come and find it, and they'd trace it back.

01:00:41.000 I heard a story about a rich lady in Malibu that may have done the exact same thing. 1.00

01:00:45.000 She might have actually shot a fucking deer in her backyard with a crossbow. 1.00

01:00:48.000 Really? 1.00

01:00:49.000 Because it was eating her flowers.

01:00:50.000 She may or may not have.

01:00:51.000 Yeah, it's may or may not have.

01:00:52.000 It's one of those weird stories you're hearing from other moms and, you know, people talk, you know what Mary did.

01:00:57.000 It's good meat, though.

01:00:59.000 I would do that if I could get away with it.

01:01:01.000 It's good meat.

01:01:02.000 I love venison.

01:01:02.000 Yeah, if you're going to eat it, it's a good move.

01:01:06.000 It goes to that age-old problem that a lot of us have with the idea of death.

01:01:11.000 I don't want anybody to kill me and eat me. 0.93

01:01:13.000 So why do I want to kill that animal and eat that animal?

01:01:16.000 And we have this very strange relationship with these animals now where we've sort of...

01:01:24.000 We've contracted all of our food collection off to other people.

01:01:30.000 And that's something that just didn't exist for most of human history.

01:01:34.000 So over the last X amount of years, we've contracted all of our food acquisition.

01:01:39.000 I love the fact that I could just get this plastic thing of water.

01:01:43.000 And I know it's legit.

01:01:44.000 As long as I hear this, listen.

01:01:47.000 Hear that little snap?

01:01:48.000 That means...

01:01:49.000 Nobody poisoned it.

01:01:50.000 It's fresh.

01:01:50.000 Yeah.

01:01:51.000 It's sealed fresh from the factory.

01:01:53.000 And I can have a nice glass of water.

01:01:54.000 I don't have to go to a river.

01:01:55.000 I don't have to pump.

01:01:57.000 I don't have to have a well.

01:01:58.000 It's way better this way.

01:02:00.000 But the problem is, by us not being in nature at all, by not interacting with animals at all, we've allowed these monsters to develop these slaughterhouses, these houses of horror, these factory farm mechanisms. 0.98

01:02:14.000 Like, we've really fucked up. 0.95

01:02:15.000 We've gotten so big. 0.97

01:02:17.000 Where these cities that don't make any food need so much food on a daily basis that we've completely removed ourselves from the process of growing things.

01:02:28.000 It's one of the most important things about being a person is eating healthy food.

01:02:33.000 It's one of the most important things.

01:02:34.000 If you don't have healthy food, you're not going to be healthy.

01:02:36.000 It's really that simple. 1.00

01:02:38.000 If you eat peanut butter and jelly sandwiches like I did today, if you have that all day, every day, for the rest of your life, you're going to have a shitty, short fucking life. 1.00

01:02:46.000 You're not going to make it. 1.00

01:02:47.000 There's not enough nutrients in that.

01:02:49.000 We don't think about it, man. 0.97

01:02:51.000 We're so busy with stocks and with marriage and with fucking, I want to get, well, we're thinking about making an addition on the house. 0.99

01:03:00.000 I'm going to get that man cave. 0.98

01:03:02.000 Anytime it's easy, though.

01:03:03.000 We have figured out a way to get a lot of protein in people's bodies for cheap.

01:03:07.000 And it used to be that meat was something that countries, I remember in a lot of countries that I lived in, we were, like, for example, you would eat meat twice a year.

01:03:17.000 The Bedouin We're good to go. 0.82

01:03:40.000 We've given ourselves a food problem.

01:03:43.000 It's just the pendulum.

01:03:44.000 We have people that eat, obviously, too much, and then you have lobbying efforts to get as much corn syrup and things like that into people's bodies. 0.76

01:03:54.000 It's...

01:03:55.000 It's an interesting thing.

01:03:56.000 I think you're right, though.

01:03:57.000 We've gotten away from a lot of the stuff that just is easy to do to make yourself healthy.

01:04:04.000 Like sleep and water?

01:04:05.000 That's a big part.

01:04:06.000 Those are giant.

01:04:07.000 Sleep and water are giant.

01:04:08.000 I just think we're way too removed from what I think is an essential aspect of life.

01:04:15.000 The process of food acquisition.

01:04:17.000 I think it makes people really confused.

01:04:20.000 I think, you know, I can look at it as an enthusiast and I can look at it as someone who enjoys being outside.

01:04:26.000 I enjoy the woods.

01:04:28.000 I enjoy fishing and all that stuff.

01:04:31.000 I enjoy catching something in the water and then cooking it and eating it.

01:04:34.000 I enjoy all that stuff.

01:04:35.000 There's so much money in the food business.

01:04:38.000 Good and bad.

01:04:38.000 I mean, you know, I don't want to make the food companies out to be...

01:04:41.000 What I was going to say is, but I don't want to do it Every day.

01:04:44.000 And I don't want it to be the only way I can survive.

01:04:46.000 Because it's too hard to do anything else. 1.00

01:04:48.000 Fuck yeah. 0.99

01:04:48.000 So we figured out a way to make it really easy to get food. 0.99

01:04:51.000 The hardest part of life now becomes the easiest part of life.

01:04:54.000 Well, I mean, when they talk about why did philosophy, why were the Greeks, you know, able to sit around and think?

01:05:02.000 So you had Plato and Socrates and Aristotle.

01:05:05.000 Well, you know, William McNeil, I think, wrote this book about the fact that, you know, the Greeks had access to timber, olive oil and wine.

01:05:16.000 And they were able to export those things and exchange them for goods that they needed.

01:05:21.000 So it meant that they didn't have to live a subsistence lifestyle.

01:05:24.000 They also lived in a temperate climate.

01:05:26.000 So they didn't have to spend so much time getting ready for the winter. 0.98

01:05:29.000 They were also super busy buttfucking. 0.98

01:05:32.000 They were doing a lot of buttfucking as well. 1.00

01:05:34.000 Before, you know, there were any, probably, diseases. 0.96

01:05:37.000 Yeah, they didn't have any diseases back then.

01:05:39.000 Yeah, right.

01:05:40.000 Just died by plagues by entire civilizations.

01:05:43.000 But, you know, in a way, when you're able to get your food quickly, like that water, it leaves time for other things.

01:05:50.000 It definitely does.

01:05:51.000 Like podcasting.

01:05:52.000 Oh, yeah.

01:05:53.000 No, look, it's an awesome thing.

01:05:55.000 I'm not saying it's a bad thing.

01:05:56.000 I think...

01:05:57.000 It would be real nice if we could all, in some way, reconnect.

01:06:01.000 It would give us a little bit more perspective on things.

01:06:04.000 Because the world that we have right now is the best world that's ever lived, for sure, that ever lived, that ever existed.

01:06:11.000 I mean, this civilization that we're existing in right now is the best ever.

01:06:15.000 No question about that.

01:06:16.000 There's no question.

01:06:17.000 It's just so much easier to be informed, so much easier to improve yourself, so much easier to get feedback, so much easier to communicate with people, to get to know things.

01:06:26.000 And there's trust.

01:06:27.000 There's trust in institutions, at least in this country.

01:06:29.000 When you just said, this is fresh water from a factory.

01:06:33.000 You know, you don't know what went into it, but you trust that when you drink that water...

01:06:38.000 Dude, it's from Whole Foods.

01:06:39.000 You're not going to die of...

01:06:40.000 Yeah, nobody poisoned that water.

01:06:42.000 Nobody took shortcuts.

01:06:43.000 There's not feces in that water.

01:06:45.000 A lot of countries, you couldn't say that because you don't know who's running control and who's got the government in their pocket.

01:06:51.000 But we're really lucky in this country that we have institutions we can trust, like a police force we can trust.

01:06:56.000 Overall, I know there's certain corrupts.

01:06:58.000 The FBI, there are the courts, there's objective law.

01:07:02.000 Those things are...

01:07:03.000 We're so lucky that we all have things like due process and representative government.

01:07:09.000 I don't have to worry about a police force knocking on my door.

01:07:12.000 Sometimes you do, I guess, if you've been up to stuff.

01:07:14.000 But I don't have to worry about somebody who has more power than me buying a government official who can then knock on my door and put me in jail on trumped-up charges.

01:07:20.000 Are there examples of that?

01:07:21.000 Maybe.

01:07:22.000 But for the most part, I live in a country where that's not the case.

01:07:24.000 Thank God.

01:07:26.000 I don't know why I just took that right to him.

01:07:27.000 You just went on a Fox News rant.

01:07:29.000 You should get that gig, bro.

01:07:30.000 That's right, guys.

01:07:31.000 I think that's going to get you that Fox News gig.

01:07:32.000 I can't.

01:07:33.000 Well, Fox News.

01:07:33.000 If they could just take Donald Trump to task a little more, please.

01:07:36.000 How about you, right next to Alex Jones, and you'd be like the voice of reason.

01:07:40.000 You know, like they have Hannity and Combs?

01:07:41.000 Yeah.

01:07:42.000 Callan and Jones.

01:07:43.000 Well, listen, I just read your boy Michael Shermer's book, Skeptic, which I really liked.

01:07:47.000 Yeah, he's awesome.

01:07:48.000 And Michael Shermer's great at taking on the conspiracy theorists.

01:07:51.000 Well, you know, he's great at being reasonable about things.

01:07:54.000 He broke down the whole firewalking thing and explained how he did it.

01:07:58.000 And he was explaining in a scientific way that it's about conductivity.

01:08:01.000 There's a reason why we don't cook on the coals themselves, because they're not very good conductors of heat.

01:08:06.000 It's why you heat up metal.

01:08:07.000 And the metal grate that goes over your grill, you cook on that.

01:08:10.000 Yeah, you don't want to walk on that.

01:08:12.000 He's like, when you walk on those coals, it's like it takes a while.

01:08:15.000 As long as you move quickly, you don't spend too much time with one spot, you're going to get all right.

01:08:20.000 He gave us an actual scientific breakdown.

01:08:23.000 He goes, after about 10 to 15 feet, it kind of gets crazy.

01:08:26.000 Yeah.

01:08:26.000 Because then there's just too much time of you touching the coals.

01:08:29.000 But he's like, 8 to 10 feet, you're okay.

01:08:31.000 Him and Sam Harris are my favorite guests on your podcast.

01:08:34.000 They're both great.

01:08:35.000 They're both great.

01:08:35.000 Yeah, they're both fascinating in their own right.

01:08:39.000 They're both, you know, guys that we really, really need. 0.99

01:08:43.000 There's a lot of nutty shit out there. 0.98

01:08:45.000 Like they came on, or he came on rather, Michael Shermer, one of the things that he wanted to talk about was this increased presence of people that honestly believe that there is some sort of a conspiracy that the earth is flat. 0.99

01:08:56.000 I can't even get, I don't have the energy.

01:08:58.000 I do.

01:08:59.000 I have the energy just to look at it in quick bursts.

01:09:03.000 Like the same thing, I have the energy to hold my breath.

01:09:05.000 That's my same energy for flat earth.

01:09:08.000 I'll hold my breath and I'll watch like a few minutes of a YouTube video and then I go, and I have to shut it off. 0.99

01:09:15.000 You're saying a bunch of shit that doesn't make any sense. 0.97

01:09:18.000 Why does water attach to its spinning gold? 0.99

01:09:21.000 If we really were round, water would spill over the side. 1.00

01:09:24.000 Shut the fuck up! 1.00

01:09:24.000 Listen, you're not a fucking, you know, you're not a physicist. 1.00

01:09:28.000 I just put that up on our YouTube channel. 1.00

01:09:30.000 It drives me up on the wall.

01:09:32.000 The hate's coming.

01:09:33.000 I have more people mad at me, and I retweeted one the other day.

01:09:36.000 I put up a real tweet from a real person that believes the Earth is flat.

01:09:40.000 He was mad at me.

01:09:41.000 He was saying it'll sell out.

01:09:42.000 I know where your check's being cashed, bro.

01:09:44.000 Oh, come on. 0.87

01:09:45.000 Hashtag flat earth.

01:09:46.000 Hashtag flat earth is a real thing.

01:09:47.000 He's 14. Listen, Shermer said something great.

01:09:50.000 Shermer said, you know, when you have people reaching the same conclusion from independent lines of inquiry, you've got so many different independent lines of inquiry.

01:10:01.000 People are doing their own research and they all converge on one conclusion.

01:10:05.000 If you are then coming in to say, well, this is my idea, if you're a conspiracy theorist, well, yes, but there's all this unexplained phenomenon.

01:10:13.000 That's fine, but, you know, when I ask for evidence, you know what I always get when I say, what are the evidence?

01:10:18.000 They go, it's been covered up, dude.

01:10:19.000 People are being killed. 1.00

01:10:20.000 Well, NASA's a bunch of liars. 1.00

01:10:21.000 And 1,100 scientists lied about the Earth's moon landing. 0.96

01:10:25.000 I mean, come on.

01:10:27.000 Just so you're cruising with Flat Earth.

01:10:29.000 Obviously, who's signing your checks now?

01:10:31.000 They spell checks with a Q-U, so they must be from England. 0.99

01:10:35.000 I think they do that in England, too, right?

01:10:37.000 Flat Earth doesn't need a washed-up failure anyway.

01:10:40.000 Hashtag Flat Earth.

01:10:41.000 Aw, man.

01:10:43.000 But here's the thing.

01:10:44.000 There's video taken from the space station of the Earth being round and of them circling the Earth.

01:10:50.000 There's time-lapse video.

01:10:51.000 You can see time-lapse video of the sun rising and falling.

01:10:55.000 Like, you can see it.

01:10:56.000 I'm not even talking about this.

01:10:58.000 I know, but I mean, what do they think that is?

01:11:00.000 That's all fake, right? 0.96

01:11:01.000 And all those people are liars.

01:11:03.000 They're awesome. 0.60

01:11:03.000 Everyone who's ever gone up there. 0.60

01:11:05.000 Satellites aren't real.

01:11:06.000 Did you know that's another one they do?

01:11:07.000 No.

01:11:08.000 Yeah, they think that satellites are actually low-flying planes.

01:11:10.000 Good.

01:11:12.000 They're probably just, at the end of the day, they need to belong to a group, and they want to be exclusive.

01:11:19.000 It's a little bit like the modern art when Ayn Rand was walking through the Museum of Modern Art, and a bunch of people were kind of clustered around that broom that had been stuffed into a pail, and everybody's like,

01:11:34.000 that's so interesting.

01:11:35.000 And it was really expensive.

01:11:37.000 Then they went in and there was just three light bulbs that had been strung together, hanging. 0.99

01:11:44.000 And Ann Ren went, wait a minute, I know what the fuck is going on here. 1.00

01:11:47.000 These people are all trying to belong to an exclusive group. 0.99

01:11:54.000 And they're not really even looking at this art.

01:11:57.000 They just want to be, you know, part of the cool kids that get it.

01:12:01.000 You don't get it because you're not sophisticated.

01:12:03.000 But I, I get this.

01:12:05.000 And they don't play chess and they don't collect wine. 1.00

01:12:08.000 So this is their shit. 1.00

01:12:09.000 This is their shit. 1.00

01:12:10.000 It's a community. 1.00

01:12:11.000 You ever go to LACMA? Uh-huh.

01:12:14.000 Sure have.

01:12:15.000 The LA, what is it?

01:12:16.000 LA County Museum of Art?

01:12:17.000 Oh, is that a white tapestry?

01:12:19.000 You mean he just took a white tapestry and framed it?

01:12:22.000 But it's the texture of the white.

01:12:25.000 It's eggshell white.

01:12:26.000 They had a plexiglass box.

01:12:28.000 Of course they did.

01:12:30.000 It was like an amber colored plexiglass.

01:12:32.000 It was a small box.

01:12:33.000 It was about maybe two feet high, maybe three or four feet wide.

01:12:37.000 And it was roped off with wire.

01:12:40.000 You couldn't get close to the box to touch it because it was art.

01:12:43.000 Well, I spoke to this amazing artist who owns the Comedy Cellar in New York City.

01:12:48.000 She owns the building the Comedy Cellar is in.

01:12:50.000 And her name is Alva.

01:12:52.000 Have you ever been to the Comedy Cellar in New York?

01:12:54.000 Sure.

01:12:55.000 Seller.

01:12:56.000 I'm sorry, the comedy seller.

01:12:57.000 If you look on the wall, there are all these amazing...

01:13:00.000 That's it.

01:13:00.000 That's the box.

01:13:02.000 That's amazing.

01:13:03.000 Beautiful.

01:13:03.000 It's amazing.

01:13:05.000 People were sitting on it, though, so they had to rope it off.

01:13:07.000 Genius.

01:13:08.000 You can't sit on art.

01:13:09.000 It'd be good to sit on it.

01:13:10.000 It's amazing.

01:13:11.000 But in a really uncomfortable way.

01:13:12.000 It's an amazing piece.

01:13:14.000 That's amazing.

01:13:14.000 It would look incredible in your home, Francois.

01:13:17.000 Francois.

01:13:18.000 The Bel Air home.

01:13:19.000 I'm just thinking...

01:13:20.000 It creates amber.

01:13:21.000 You could maybe put it, like, right at the front door.

01:13:24.000 Like, they walk in your house, they're like, look at what you're into.

01:13:27.000 I mean, you're in for a crazy night.

01:13:29.000 Look at Francoise's box.

01:13:31.000 If you were an artist back in the 70s and 80s and you drew portraits or really cool, like, figures, you know, that you could identify with.

01:13:37.000 Like, this girl, Alva, an amazing woman.

01:13:39.000 She's an amazing painter.

01:13:40.000 Amazing.

01:13:41.000 Like, you want to buy that stuff.

01:13:42.000 She said there was no way back in the day that she could even, like, people wouldn't even really teach you how to draw human figures.

01:13:50.000 Couldn't do it anymore?

01:13:51.000 It was too literal.

01:13:52.000 It was too literal.

01:13:53.000 You weren't getting into a school.

01:13:55.000 You weren't getting into Cooper Union or anything because you were just too literal.

01:14:00.000 You were not part of the zeitgeist that is the abstract movement.

01:14:04.000 And that's how human beings are.

01:14:05.000 We've moved on from that.

01:14:06.000 When you see like a Jackson Pollock, do you ever go, wow, that would be cool to have? 1.00

01:14:11.000 Or do you go, what in the fuck? 0.99

01:14:13.000 I don't know enough about art to have a point of view. 1.00

01:14:15.000 You know plenty.

01:14:16.000 But he was a groundbreaker, I guess.

01:14:19.000 Pull up some of them.

01:14:20.000 In some ways in that he said he was doing something. 0.99

01:14:23.000 Get the fuck out of here. 0.99

01:14:25.000 He was a groundbreaker in splashing paint like a little kid would do. 1.00

01:14:29.000 Well, but he was doing something.

01:14:32.000 You know?

01:14:33.000 I don't know.

01:14:34.000 I don't know.

01:14:34.000 You know what, man?

01:14:35.000 All you have to do is get in with the right group.

01:14:37.000 You do acid and blow Woody Allen.

01:14:40.000 You smoke cigarettes and you yell at your secretary.

01:14:42.000 And people go, he's brilliant.

01:14:44.000 He's brilliant.

01:14:45.000 He's amazing.

01:14:45.000 Yeah.

01:14:46.000 The guy's just standing over at this point. 1.00

01:14:48.000 And you know, hey man, if you're one of those guys out there that you're like, fuck you, Joe Rogan. 0.99

01:14:52.000 I'm a big Jackson Pollock fan. 1.00

01:14:53.000 You don't know shit about art. 0.99

01:14:55.000 Obviously. 1.00

01:14:55.000 No, no. 1.00

01:14:56.000 He had something else. 0.99

01:14:56.000 I don't know shit about art. 0.99

01:14:57.000 The difference between how I see things and how other people see things, I'm sure. 0.96

01:15:01.000 He did something else.

01:15:02.000 He was doing something actually much more deliberate than that.

01:15:04.000 So you ready for my Jackson Pollock education here?

01:15:07.000 I believe Jackson Pollock was painting fractals.

01:15:12.000 I think that there was a...

01:15:13.000 So a fractal would be, if you look at the coastline of a country, and then you look at the micro...

01:15:21.000 What is it?

01:15:23.000 The micro sort of...

01:15:26.000 Lines in that particular, they mimic the larger picture, the larger coastline.

01:15:31.000 That would be a fractal, I believe.

01:15:34.000 And Jackson Pollock was different because not only was he the first guy to start doing that, but he was deliberately creating what other painters were not able to do, which was fractals.

01:15:43.000 Please...

01:15:45.000 Please, somebody tell me that I'm right about that.

01:15:47.000 Personal reflections on Jackson Pollock.

01:15:51.000 So, is that the case, Jamie?

01:15:52.000 Is that what they're showing here?

01:15:53.000 I'm trying to find a good example that shows it.

01:15:55.000 Pollock painted nitrous fractals.

01:15:57.000 Huh.

01:15:58.000 Well, what fractals...

01:15:59.000 The best way to describe fractals is it's a geometric pattern that as you get closer to it, you see...

01:16:06.000 If you look at it from a distance, you see a very particular shape.

01:16:09.000 The Mandelbrot set is a perfect example of an amazing fractal.

01:16:13.000 And it was one of the ones that the really nutty people used as proof that crop circles were from extraterrestrials.

01:16:20.000 Oh.

01:16:20.000 Because mathematicians had only figured out the Mandelbrot set, I want to say, less than a year before this crop circle appeared with a perfect Mandelbrot set in some wheat field.

01:16:33.000 Wow.

01:16:34.000 And the idea of this, pull up a Mandelbrot set so you can see.

01:16:38.000 There's actually an animated version of the Mandelbrot set, which is really the best way to look at it, because as it goes closer, you can see that it's the same thing on the outside in a smaller scale, and then you go closer than that, and it's the same thing you saw on the outside, but in a much smaller scale, and then it goes on and on.

01:16:54.000 Well, that's apparently what Pollock was able to do that other painters have not been able to do.

01:16:59.000 Here's the animation of the Mandelbrot set.

01:17:01.000 So it's this crazy-looking, weird thing that as you get closer to it and it expands, it starts revealing...

01:17:09.000 Repeating itself?

01:17:10.000 Yeah, and it starts revealing how bizarre it is.

01:17:13.000 Like, as you see all these little things that stick out of these circles, these giant circles and smaller circles, and then even smaller circles that are attached to the giant circle, and each one of those gets infinitely smaller and smaller.

01:17:22.000 A pattern that keeps repeating itself.

01:17:24.000 Exactly.

01:17:24.000 And it never ends.

01:17:25.000 You keep going deep into these things, and you find another small circle, and it has smaller circles on it, and you go to it, and it has smaller circles, and it just keeps going on and on and on and on and on.

01:17:35.000 It's fascinating.

01:17:37.000 There you go.

01:17:37.000 So, pull up the crop circle Mandelbrot set.

01:17:40.000 And see if you can find the history on it, because I think it was one of those things where they were like, look, someone who's doing these, either the hoaxer is very educated and some sort of a mathematician and understands the proportions in making a reasonably correct Mandelbrot set,

01:17:56.000 or it's aliens.

01:17:59.000 I'm going with aliens.

01:18:00.000 I'm going with aliens, too.

01:18:01.000 It's too dope.

01:18:01.000 It's more fun.

01:18:02.000 Look at that.

01:18:02.000 Isn't that crazy, though?

01:18:03.000 It's a beautiful-looking little thing someone made in the wheat field.

01:18:06.000 Mm-hmm. 0.99

01:18:08.000 You know, but the idea that it's impossible to walk and not leave trails, like, oh, there's all these lines in there, you fucks. 0.98

01:18:15.000 Like, what about those roads? 0.97

01:18:17.000 Like, go up.

01:18:18.000 Like, it's impossible to walk.

01:18:19.000 Like, go to that image and make that larger.

01:18:22.000 It's impossible to walk in there and not be detected.

01:18:24.000 Um, I see roads. 1.00

01:18:25.000 Do you see those fucking roads? 1.00

01:18:26.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:18:27.000 That's the problem with these fucking people. 1.00

01:18:28.000 They never want to see everything. 1.00

01:18:30.000 I know.

01:18:30.000 They always want to, like, look at only the conspiracy.

01:18:33.000 Why?

01:18:33.000 Because it's fun.

01:18:34.000 I used to be one of those people.

01:18:36.000 Yeah.

01:18:36.000 In Michael Shermer's book, he talks about Thomas Eager, I think, MIT professor, who talks about, yes, jet fuel that burns at 2,700 degrees and steel, you know, doesn't melt.

01:18:48.000 I can't remember.

01:18:50.000 No, jet fuel burns at...

01:18:51.000 1,200 degrees and the steel, the structural steel in the World Trade Center doesn't melt until it's 2,700 degrees.

01:18:58.000 And so you're right.

01:18:59.000 The jet fuel may have gotten up to 1,400 degrees.

01:19:01.000 Here's the thing.

01:19:02.000 At 1,200 degrees or 1,400 degrees, steel loses 50% of its integrity, structural steel.

01:19:08.000 And the steel, and this was this guy from MIT, who's an actual, you know, He's a professor of engineering when it comes to metallurgy. 0.99

01:19:17.000 And when you're at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, you know some shit when you're a professor. 0.98

01:19:22.000 That's why I hated that argument. 1.00

01:19:23.000 It doesn't have to just melt, you dummy.

01:19:25.000 He said when there's irregularities in that structure over hundreds of feet, And there are hundreds of degrees of irregularities.

01:19:34.000 It will buckle.

01:19:35.000 Things will buckle.

01:19:36.000 It'll break the clamps off. 0.94

01:19:38.000 And the next thing you know...

01:19:38.000 Do you know what percentage...

01:19:40.000 How about this crazy thing?

01:19:41.000 This is also from Thomas Eager, who's an MIT professor.

01:19:44.000 Do you know what percentage of the World Trade Center tower, one of them, was of air?

01:19:50.000 Like, what percentage was made up of air?

01:19:52.000 You think it was 50%?

01:19:54.000 20%?

01:19:55.000 Meaning, like, if you look at the whole structure on the outside, how much of the inside...

01:19:59.000 Is made of air.

01:20:00.000 Well, a good percentage of every building is made of air, right?

01:20:03.000 Because it's like a honeycomb thing going on.

01:20:06.000 Yeah.

01:20:06.000 I don't know.

01:20:07.000 What's a normal building?

01:20:08.000 Well, normal buildings have a lot of concrete, and they're made of huge structures. 0.99

01:20:12.000 Oh, so it's a shitty-ass building. 0.99

01:20:13.000 No, this was an incredible building. 0.99

01:20:15.000 It was basically a giant sail, and it was able to take an incredible amount of force, not only from planes, but from wind.

01:20:23.000 Like 300 mile an hour, you know, crazy...

01:20:26.000 I can't remember what it was.

01:20:27.000 Typhoon and winds.

01:20:27.000 Yeah, crazy, crazy stuff.

01:20:28.000 So it was an incredible feat of engineering designed by this Japanese architect.

01:20:34.000 And it was 110 stories high.

01:20:36.000 95% of that structure was air.

01:20:39.000 95%.

01:20:40.000 Whoa.

01:20:40.000 Which is incredible, right?

01:20:42.000 And so when it pancaked it, yeah, it fell.

01:20:46.000 That's why it fell down that way.

01:20:48.000 Yeah, for sure stop making buildings that are that big, right? 0.99

01:20:51.000 Please settle the fuck down. 1.00

01:20:53.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:20:53.000 It could. 0.98

01:20:54.000 It was, yeah.

01:20:55.000 Why do you have to make it so big?

01:20:56.000 It's a big building. 0.71

01:20:57.000 It seems silly. 1.00

01:20:58.000 How about you make two smaller buildings, you fuck? 1.00

01:21:01.000 I know. 0.99

01:21:01.000 But you know, it was the feet of Manhattan and they wanted to do something awesome and revitalize the neighborhood. 0.99

01:21:06.000 It was a revitalization project.

01:21:07.000 The real problem with conspiracy theories is that some of them are true.

01:21:12.000 That's the real problem.

01:21:13.000 When you start going over history, you can get paralyzed by...

01:21:18.000 All the possibilities because so many things have been conspired and were pulled off throughout history.

01:21:23.000 It's just a common thread throughout history.

01:21:26.000 But the problem is when you're looking at things today like towers falling and buildings catching on fire and collapsing and all these conspiracies get thrown around.

01:21:37.000 You will lose a massive amount of your life watching YouTube videos and reading websites and getting taken down a rabbit hole.

01:21:45.000 643,000 websites, I think, dedicated to the 9-11 conspiracy.

01:21:49.000 Oh, that's a small number.

01:21:52.000 But, again, it's one of those things where people don't want to see both sides of it.

01:21:57.000 They don't want to see both sides of it.

01:21:59.000 I feel like, for sure, there was some incompetency.

01:22:04.000 For sure.

01:22:05.000 There was some failure to understand the threat, whether that was an intelligence failure.

01:22:12.000 It was.

01:22:14.000 Whatever it was, there was some failure and that allowed that whole thing to happen.

01:22:20.000 Now, when anything happens throughout history, there's two primary things that happen when something goes down.

01:22:30.000 Number one is people capitalize on it.

01:22:32.000 If there's an enormous event There's something that happens.

01:22:35.000 We get attacked.

01:22:36.000 And, you know, they know what happens.

01:22:39.000 And there's this moment now in time, right, where they have this potential to do things that they couldn't do before because the mood of the country has shifted.

01:22:48.000 The mood is on revenge.

01:22:50.000 The mood is on preventative measures.

01:22:52.000 And then you can do things like go to Iraq and invade Iraq. 0.71

01:22:55.000 That's 100% fact.

01:22:56.000 That is why they did that.

01:22:58.000 They did not do that because they thought Iraq was going to attack us.

01:23:00.000 There's no evidence whatsoever. 0.94

01:23:02.000 The weapons of mass destruction was all horseshit, right? 0.97

01:23:05.000 So the whole reason why they did it is, look, okay, we got attacked, but on the good side, we got a fucking nice chance to go to Iraq here. 0.97

01:23:12.000 Now, the people that are looking at conspiracies, they'll start to add things.

01:23:17.000 So they'll start to say, they engineered those attacks so they could go to Iraq.

01:23:21.000 Right.

01:23:22.000 That's not necessarily true and way, way unlikely.

01:23:26.000 It's also giving the government or a group of people a lot of credit for organizing, being that organized.

01:23:32.000 Thousands of people keeping their mouth shut.

01:23:33.000 Yeah, I mean, that's...

01:23:34.000 Government incompetence and random...

01:23:37.000 Events and momentum are probably the reason a lot of things happen.

01:23:42.000 People do have agendas.

01:23:43.000 I do think there was a group of people that had an agenda that wanted to take out the fourth largest army in the world, Iraq, because Iraq was posed a threat.

01:23:53.000 But those people probably got into the decision maker's ear like...

01:23:58.000 George W. Bush, not a very wise guy.

01:24:01.000 And, you know, so there were people that influenced, I think, the invasion of Iraq who were smarter than the decision makers.

01:24:09.000 Yes.

01:24:10.000 Bill Hicks had a great bit about that fourth largest army in the world thing.

01:24:13.000 He's like, yeah, but after the first three armies, there's a real big drop off.

01:24:18.000 Yeah.

01:24:18.000 He goes, the fifth largest army is a Salvation Army.

01:24:22.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:24:23.000 I think that one of the main reasons after 9-11 was, the idea was, let's go into Iraq to show any other country, like Pakistan or North Korea, that if they think there's any value in giving a weapon of mass destruction to an enemy like Al-Qaeda,

01:24:38.000 that it'll be the end of their country.

01:24:39.000 And here's proof, you know.

01:24:41.000 There's certainly probably a little bit of that, but also oil.

01:24:44.000 Money!

01:24:45.000 Yeah, oil was a big factor.

01:24:46.000 The ability to sort of engineer and control the environment.

01:24:49.000 Ah, Jesus Christ.

01:24:51.000 Engineer and control.

01:24:52.000 Lid was on, luckily.

01:24:53.000 But oil, no, because that doesn't hold water because oil, there's money in a war effort, but oil is a commodity traded on the open market.

01:25:01.000 So if you actually look at the way oil is traded, there's a tanker with oil.

01:25:06.000 And it's a commodity.

01:25:07.000 So an oil tanker can be on its way to a country, and then that tanker is bought by a broker, and it has to turn course and go back to another place.

01:25:19.000 So oil is traded on the open world market.

01:25:22.000 So the idea that the United States wanted to control the Iraqi oil is actually bogus, because we lost a shitload of money, and we don't get that oil money.

01:25:32.000 We also produce enough of our own oil with fracking and things to...

01:25:36.000 We do now.

01:25:37.000 We didn't then.

01:25:38.000 But hold on a second, because look at it practically. 0.97

01:25:41.000 Does Iraq hold fucking untold billions of gallons of oil? 0.96

01:25:45.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:25:46.000 Yes.

01:25:46.000 And isn't it a great idea to be in control of a place that has billions of gallons of oil?

01:25:52.000 Aren't we in control of Iraq? 0.86

01:25:53.000 Didn't we go and invade and overthrow their government?

01:25:56.000 We did.

01:25:56.000 But we're not in control of Iraq.

01:25:57.000 Well, we're not in control, but we essentially overthrew their government and then gave control to other people.

01:26:02.000 If we decide to take it back, if there was some sort of an event and the United States decided to go in and take it back, It's not like they're going into North Korea.

01:26:10.000 It's not like they're going into some established country with a powerful army like Russia.

01:26:15.000 You know, they're going into something that we essentially broke down.

01:26:18.000 We broke down, created a civil war between two rival factions of Islam, which nobody even predicted.

01:26:25.000 Well, I did.

01:26:26.000 You knew about the area a lot more than a lot of people that were talking about it because you grew up there.

01:26:30.000 Jesus.

01:26:31.000 I remember you talking to me about that.

01:26:33.000 I remember you explained to me the difference between the Shia and the Sunni.

01:26:35.000 Huge. 0.99

01:26:35.000 And that these people do not fucking get along. 0.99

01:26:38.000 And that this Saddam Hussein guy, being a psychopath and a fucking maniac he is, he was also a non-religious person. 1.00

01:26:46.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:26:47.000 And because he was secular...

01:26:49.000 That's what a Baathist is, essentially. 0.94

01:26:50.000 Yeah, essentially.

01:26:51.000 I mean, as much as you can be to exist in that area, you know?

01:26:55.000 But because of that, you know, he kind of, like, controlled those people from going after each other. 0.97

01:27:01.000 So, my point being is, there's a lot of fucking money to be made in Iraq and oil. 0.98

01:27:05.000 A lot. 0.98

01:27:06.000 And the idea that that wasn't some form of motivation...

01:27:09.000 Now we see these conversations that people have.

01:27:12.000 It's one of the things about these WikiLeaks...

01:27:14.000 Documents that you get.

01:27:15.000 You get to see the connections that some of these people have with arms sales and with donations to the Clinton Foundation and with oil.

01:27:24.000 Big money!

01:27:25.000 There's big money in reconstruction, big money in weaponry, big money in oil drilling.

01:27:31.000 There's big money in all of that stuff.

01:27:33.000 And everybody's got their hand in the pie.

01:27:36.000 And then what happens is...

01:27:38.000 You know, you have other countries, for example, look at Pakistan.

01:27:42.000 Pakistan has zero interest. 1.00

01:27:44.000 Pakistan has zero interest in having a peaceful Afghanistan. 1.00

01:27:49.000 I can't even say France without making a face.

01:27:51.000 France.

01:27:52.000 France.

01:27:53.000 Vive la France.

01:27:54.000 So then you have other countries that have less of an interest in keeping that country stable.

01:27:59.000 So they foster conflict by supporting criminal networks, by supporting other vested interests in those countries.

01:28:08.000 Keep those countries in turmoil.

01:28:11.000 And then you have a real problem.

01:28:12.000 And the biggest issue with, you know, if you wanted to get into a conspiracy, my God, the Iraq invasion in 2003 was good for Iran. 0.99

01:28:21.000 It made Iran a bigger player. 0.97

01:28:23.000 Probably made Russia more influential.

01:28:25.000 And certainly made the Shia in Iraq the people that finally had some power and had control of oil over the Sunni minority. 0.94

01:28:36.000 Remember what the British... 0.99

01:28:37.000 The British used to always do this, right? 1.00

01:28:39.000 The British would go into, for example, in Syria and things like that.

01:28:41.000 The Alawites in Syria are... 1.00

01:28:44.000 The Alawites are a minority.

01:28:46.000 That's what Bashar al-Assad is.

01:28:48.000 And I believe the Alawites are Shia, where the majority of the country is Sunni, I believe.

01:28:53.000 It might be the other way around.

01:28:54.000 But the British always would go into a country when they would take over a colonized country, and they'd find a minority.

01:29:00.000 And they would give that minority a lot of power. 0.71

01:29:03.000 And here is the genius of that.

01:29:05.000 They would prop them up because now the minority in that country had to be loyal to the British. 0.69

01:29:12.000 Because if they weren't, if they chose to now kind of side with any kind of a revolution, side with any kind of an independence movement, The minority also knew that once that was over, the majority that they had been suppressing,

01:29:29.000 that they had been given favor over, would then turn on them.

01:29:33.000 Do you understand?

01:29:34.000 So that was always a way of dividing and conquering.

01:29:37.000 Find who the minority in the country is and go ahead and give them power so that they will have to be loyal to us because their survival will depend on it. 0.51

01:29:49.000 Well, there's been really bizarre moments in history where leaders have actually contemplated how to keep the population under control in the event that there's no war.

01:29:57.000 That's one of the big fears is the event that peace breaks out.

01:30:01.000 I mean, it's one of the reasons why they constructed the game of football.

01:30:05.000 They made football to deal with the fact that people weren't going to war. 0.99

01:30:09.000 And you had all these young men that were ready to fucking go out there and kick some ass, and there was no ass to kick. 1.00

01:30:15.000 They had conquered America. 1.00

01:30:16.000 They had wiped out all the Native Americans and put them into reservations.

01:30:20.000 So that was a sort of unspoken war. 0.96

01:30:23.000 And then there was the wars with the British and the wars with the Spanish and all this different shit that went on for how many hundreds of years? 0.95

01:30:30.000 An outlet for aggression. 0.97

01:30:32.000 Men, what was the great article?

01:30:35.000 I can't remember his name, but he wrote an article that goes, I never trust anybody who hasn't been punched in the face.

01:30:39.000 And he said, civilization is an agreement among men to behave well.

01:30:44.000 And, you know, when you got civilization, it's fine.

01:30:47.000 But look at the simulated violence that all of us have to engage in.

01:30:51.000 I, at 49, go and box.

01:30:53.000 Look at the UFC. I never miss a fight.

01:30:55.000 Yeah.

01:30:55.000 You know, I want to see it.

01:30:57.000 There's something about that.

01:30:59.000 I think MMA, I've heard this, is one of the fastest growing sports among young men all over the world.

01:31:05.000 It's not surprising.

01:31:06.000 When you see two men trying to kill each other with their bare hands, there are triggers, visual triggers, the same as like with pornography.

01:31:13.000 There's just visual triggers, right?

01:31:14.000 You're just like, that taps into my caveman.

01:31:17.000 Yeah, there's certainly some of that.

01:31:19.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:31:19.000 So, we've covered a lot of ground here, and I want you guys to know that I'm the age of most of your fathers, and I hope you've written down everything I fucking said. 0.98

01:31:28.000 Mmm. 0.93

01:31:29.000 I'm gonna be in Ottawa, by the way.

01:31:30.000 Ottawa?

01:31:31.000 What are you doing in Ottawa?

01:31:32.000 I'm doing a college there, September 30th.

01:31:35.000 You do colleges still?

01:31:36.000 You'd think that I would remember, since we get such a wide...

01:31:39.000 I should tell everybody where I'm gonna be?

01:31:42.000 Yeah, you should probably do that.

01:31:42.000 Do I know?

01:31:42.000 I'm hopeless.

01:31:43.000 Just text me and I'll tweet it.

01:31:45.000 All right.

01:31:45.000 And we'll be in...

01:31:46.000 We're sold out in San Jose. 1.00

01:31:47.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

01:31:49.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:31:49.000 You and Schaub. 1.00

01:31:50.000 Don't see you and me. 1.00

01:31:51.000 People go, Joe Rogan, you fucking lied to me. 0.96

01:31:54.000 I'm like, I didn't say I was gonna be there. 0.99

01:31:55.000 Brandon Schaub and I fight on a kid in October 13th.

01:31:58.000 Tickets available, Brea.

01:32:00.000 Brea in California.

01:32:01.000 Where are you at this weekend?

01:32:03.000 This Thursday, I'm going to be in San Jose.

01:32:07.000 What about Friday and Saturday?

01:32:08.000 I'm around.

01:32:09.000 You want to work?

01:32:10.000 Actually, Friday and Saturday, I have gigs. 1.00

01:32:12.000 You son of a bitch. 1.00

01:32:13.000 I know. 1.00

01:32:13.000 Friday, I'm in Ventura. 1.00

01:32:14.000 How do you not know where you are?

01:32:15.000 Friday, I'm in Ventura.

01:32:16.000 Saturday, I am at UC Santa Barbara doing stand-up.

01:32:20.000 Another college.

01:32:21.000 Yeah.

01:32:22.000 You smarty-bounce.

01:32:23.000 Do you get out there with a book?

01:32:25.000 I don't, but I like to be a little edgy and I like to see how far I can push it.

01:32:28.000 Like the last time I did UC Santa Barbara, I said, maybe don't think, I know you guys think that you're the center of the universe.

01:32:34.000 Maybe put yourself last in all categories.

01:32:37.000 Maybe you're not that important.

01:32:38.000 It might be good.

01:32:39.000 That's not empowering.

01:32:40.000 I don't like the way you think.

01:32:41.000 Well, but we live in a world where it's self-celebrations and everything.

01:32:44.000 Talk like that to my kids. 0.99

01:32:44.000 I'm gonna fucking yell at the school. 0.99

01:32:45.000 You're not that important. 1.00

01:32:47.000 Your dreams are not that important. 1.00

01:32:48.000 My kids went down there to get an education, not to be taught by some fucking 49-year-old burnout. 1.00

01:32:53.000 You're not important. 0.99

01:32:54.000 But he looks a lot younger than 49. He's got tight-fitting skin from a distance.

01:32:57.000 From a distance.

01:32:59.000 From a distance.

01:33:00.000 I think about getting old.

01:33:02.000 Yeah, you should.

01:33:03.000 You're getting old.

01:33:03.000 That's why I train.

01:33:04.000 That's why I do my yoga.

01:33:05.000 There's no getting around it, buddy.

01:33:07.000 I know.

01:33:07.000 It is what it is.

01:33:09.000 I think we solved a lot of the problems. 0.99

01:33:11.000 I don't think we solved shit. 0.99

01:33:13.000 This is what I think. 0.94

01:33:14.000 I think the world's perspective is a lot like my Lego pile that I was talking about.

01:33:20.000 Little tiny Legos get put on all the time.

01:33:22.000 And sometimes we have to take Legos off.

01:33:24.000 Sometimes, like, we've created areas of protection where we don't really need any protection.

01:33:28.000 The big one being humor. 0.96

01:33:29.000 Like, when people try to dissect humor and pretend that these are actual statements, like you're giving a fucking affidavit in court or something like that. 0.97

01:33:35.000 Like, people say ridiculous things they don't really mean. 0.95

01:33:38.000 That's why you laugh at them, because you know they don't really mean it.

01:33:41.000 Exactly.

01:33:41.000 You know, and the idea that you're allowed to get triggered by these things, and you're allowed to protest to get upset, it's...

01:33:49.000 It's just a symptom of us being too soft.

01:33:51.000 It's a symptom of life being too soft.

01:33:53.000 These gentle snowflakes.

01:33:55.000 I couldn't agree, man.

01:33:56.000 Fragile snowflakes.

01:33:57.000 I couldn't agree more.

01:33:58.000 So scared.

01:33:59.000 But get some perspective, yeah.

01:34:01.000 They can't.

01:34:02.000 It's gonna be so much worse. 0.99

01:34:03.000 If shit went down, just like it did on 9-11, then you get this beautiful community of people that are happy and truly thankful. 0.99

01:34:11.000 Yes. 1.00

01:34:11.000 But it's almost like shit has to go down for us to remember. 1.00

01:34:14.000 Or you've got to do something really hard. 0.99

01:34:17.000 I think that's one of the great things about exercise. 0.97

01:34:20.000 Like, sometimes I'll come out of a workout and I fucking love everybody. 0.95

01:34:23.000 I want to hug people. 0.94

01:34:25.000 I just love everybody.

01:34:26.000 Endorphins running through your body.

01:34:27.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

01:34:28.000 I'm high as fuck on endorphins. 0.99

01:34:29.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:34:30.000 And on top of the endorphin thing, it's also like just a release of stress.

01:34:35.000 And working out is so difficult sometimes that when it is over, you have the struggle of a peak training session.

01:34:46.000 Say if you're doing rounds in a bag, right?

01:34:48.000 And you know you're going to do seven rounds in a bag. 0.99

01:34:50.000 And you hit that fourth round and you are fucking exhausted. 0.99

01:34:54.000 Yeah. 0.92

01:34:55.000 And you know you have to do three more rounds and you know and you're gonna go have to go hard like when it's It's so hard to do when you're in the moment when you're you're heaving and you're looking at the clock and there's still a minute 45 to go and you're And you're just breathing fire trying to pace yourself.

01:35:11.000 That's so much more difficult than everything else once you get out everything else is like I The sun's beautiful.

01:35:17.000 Vince Lombardi said that fatigue makes cowards of us all.

01:35:20.000 Yeah, I love that.

01:35:21.000 Yeah, I think he said of men in specific.

01:35:25.000 Hold on, listen to me.

01:35:25.000 Because that's back in the old days.

01:35:26.000 I'm going to be at the Algonquin.

01:35:28.000 I know you're going to be mad at me.

01:35:29.000 Are you pulling up?

01:35:29.000 No, because I didn't want you to.

01:35:30.000 Because you guys make fun of me for not being good at marketing.

01:35:34.000 Get on it.

01:35:34.000 Oh, look at that.

01:35:35.000 I'm going to be at the Algonquin Commons Theater in Ottawa.

01:35:37.000 Yes!

01:35:38.000 Friday, September 30th.

01:35:40.000 Algonquin Commons Theatre.

01:35:41.000 Wow.

01:35:42.000 Oh, so I'm not doing a college.

01:35:43.000 It's a theater.

01:35:44.000 Well, it might be out of college.

01:35:45.000 Sometimes they'll hold things for the whole community.

01:35:48.000 I'm excited.

01:35:49.000 Have you been to Ottawa?

01:35:50.000 Yeah, I've been to Ottawa.

01:35:51.000 I love Ottawa.

01:35:52.000 I love Canada in general.

01:35:53.000 I love Canada.

01:35:53.000 Me too.

01:35:54.000 I'm a big fan of Toronto, for sure.

01:35:56.000 I'm excited.

01:35:57.000 Algonquin Commons Theatre.

01:35:58.000 I'm a big fan of Vancouver.

01:36:00.000 Big fan of Montreal.

01:36:01.000 I just like it up there, man.

01:36:02.000 So do I, dude.

01:36:02.000 I like the people better.

01:36:03.000 Me too.

01:36:04.000 They're nicer.

01:36:05.000 I agree with you. 1.00

01:36:05.000 If the shit hits the fan, that's where I go. 1.00

01:36:07.000 Let's go out there. 1.00

01:36:08.000 We'll hunt.

01:36:09.000 We'll be cold together.

01:36:11.000 Have you met my friend the Rivets? 0.95

01:36:13.000 No.

01:36:15.000 They live way the fuck up there. 0.95

01:36:16.000 They live in a log house and they shoot bears every day. 0.98

01:36:18.000 Really?

01:36:19.000 That's just too far up there.

01:36:20.000 How about that?

01:36:21.000 They get all their meat from the woods, man.

01:36:24.000 They're way up there.

01:36:25.000 They're two and a half hours outside of Edmonton.

01:36:27.000 Oof.

01:36:28.000 Yeah, maybe more.

01:36:29.000 It might be like three and a half hours.

01:36:30.000 I spent a lot of time in Edmonton.

01:36:31.000 Woo! 0.99

01:36:32.000 It's a fun town, too.

01:36:33.000 Oh, it's a great town.

01:36:34.000 And I think there's something about the fact those people have to endure ungodly temperatures.

01:36:40.000 They bond together.

01:36:41.000 It's incredible.

01:36:42.000 Yeah.

01:36:43.000 And they do a lot of drugs.

01:36:44.000 Yeah.

01:36:46.000 A lot of drugs.

01:36:47.000 Which kind of drugs?

01:36:48.000 Oh, cocaine everywhere.

01:36:50.000 If I was a toot head, if I wanted to toot up, I'd be...

01:36:53.000 I've been offered more blow in Edmonton.

01:36:57.000 God bless those people.

01:36:59.000 How do you think they get it in?

01:37:00.000 If you think about it, right? 0.96

01:37:01.000 Canada's way the fuck up there, and you can't even grow coke in North America. 0.97

01:37:06.000 Right. 0.98

01:37:06.000 Did you know that? 0.98

01:37:07.000 No.

01:37:07.000 I think it can't be grown in the United States.

01:37:09.000 Google if that's possible, if that's true.

01:37:12.000 I've been repeating that all my life, and I'm pretty sure I got it from an Ice-T song.

01:37:19.000 My feeling is talking about conspiracy.

01:37:22.000 I'm sure with that kind of money, there are probably people that are border control and stuff who are getting...

01:37:27.000 It's just too easy to let it through.

01:37:28.000 I think it's from the song High Rollers.

01:37:31.000 You want to be a high roller.

01:37:35.000 Truth is, cocoa beans do grow in the U.S., but only in very limited areas.

01:37:40.000 Typically, cocoa beans are grown in a narrow band referred to as the coca belt or chocolate belt.

01:37:45.000 This band exists up to 20 degrees of latitude.

01:37:47.000 Coca.

01:37:48.000 No, but that's cocoa.

01:37:49.000 We're talking about coca.

01:37:50.000 That's cocoa beans.

01:37:52.000 That's chocolate.

01:37:54.000 Chocolate's legal.

01:37:54.000 You know that.

01:37:55.000 Yeah.

01:37:56.000 No, we're talking about coca beans.

01:37:57.000 We'll actually call it about leaves, Jamie.

01:38:00.000 It's cocaine.

01:38:02.000 Coca plant.

01:38:03.000 Yeah.

01:38:04.000 Coca plants.

01:38:05.000 Yeah.

01:38:06.000 So we added the OA, which is the chocolate stuff, which is weird because it doesn't taste good.

01:38:10.000 You ever have like raw cocoa?

01:38:12.000 Yes.

01:38:12.000 It's really good for you, but it does not taste that good.

01:38:15.000 No, it doesn't.

01:38:15.000 It's bitter.

01:38:16.000 Don't we have some shit that we're putting in our butter from cocoa or something like that? 0.99

01:38:20.000 What is it? 0.99

01:38:21.000 Cacao.

01:38:22.000 Oh, that's right.

01:38:22.000 Yeah, cacao.

01:38:23.000 But cocoa was first processed with milk and sugar.

01:38:28.000 That was a real kind of...

01:38:31.000 Because we got it from South America, right?

01:38:33.000 And then they took it back to Europe.

01:38:34.000 Jamie, you didn't...

01:38:35.000 But it didn't say it.

01:38:36.000 I said legal.

01:38:37.000 I was trying to find out if you could grow it.

01:38:38.000 Yeah.

01:38:38.000 But it said it right below that.

01:38:40.000 You pull it back up.

01:38:41.000 You can see it.

01:38:41.000 People grow...

01:38:42.000 Do people grow cocaine right there?

01:38:44.000 Bored, straight dope.

01:38:45.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:38:46.000 But that's just a message board.

01:38:48.000 I have a question for you.

01:38:49.000 Please do.

01:38:52.000 What do you think of when we do legalize marijuana, right, if it does get legalized?

01:38:56.000 There'd be a lot of lobbying efforts and stuff like that, but how do you feel about marijuana use in teenagers?

01:39:02.000 I don't think it's a good idea, but I would do it.

01:39:04.000 Yeah.

01:39:06.000 I don't think it's a good idea either for a growing mind because I think that weed can tend to...

01:39:11.000 I think THC is still a mind-altering substance, just like anything else, and it has its benefits, but I think as you're growing, it feels like it can be, for the most part, for a young mind, a motivation killer.

01:39:26.000 It could be I think there's a lot of factors that could Play into the big picture of who you become that it certainly could be one of them to deny that it's not influential I think it's kind of silly and also to really truly understand the effects of its The way THC affects the developing mind is not completely understood,

01:39:48.000 and it's definitely under debate.

01:39:51.000 There's a lot of studies that have shown that it's actually not bad at all for a woman to be smoking it while her baby's in the womb, which is really contrary to what a lot of people think.

01:40:00.000 But whether or not it's beneficial for a young kid, first of all, it's probably...

01:40:08.000 If you think of how old you are when you actually are an adult, I mean, we have this number, right?

01:40:14.000 The number's 18, right?

01:40:15.000 Right.

01:40:16.000 But your brain doesn't really fully form.

01:40:18.000 It's not fully formed until your early 20s, right?

01:40:21.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:40:21.000 So there's a bunch of shit going on. 1.00

01:40:23.000 And if you're altering that... 0.99

01:40:26.000 Who knows what the consequences are?

01:40:28.000 Which is probably why we have laws against drinking when you're underage or smoking and all those things.

01:40:34.000 But see, in other countries, they have less instances of alcohol abuse per capita because it's not this forbidden taboo thing.

01:40:43.000 There's a real argument for that, too, is that kids don't like being told what to do.

01:40:47.000 And when you can get away with your friends and someone sneaks a little fucking flask of whiskey and we all sit around drinking in our clubhouse, like, ooh, we're cool.

01:40:56.000 But if it was legal and easy to get, we might not be so inclined to do that. 0.93

01:41:00.000 I don't know.

01:41:01.000 I don't know either.

01:41:02.000 I don't know.

01:41:03.000 I know France doesn't have the same issues, but Russia does.

01:41:06.000 Yeah, well, Russia does.

01:41:07.000 But again, being Russia wouldn't be that fun. 0.98

01:41:09.000 You know, those are winters. 0.99

01:41:11.000 The winters and the fact that, you know, they got conquered by the Mongols for 200 fucking years. 0.98

01:41:15.000 You're also being controlled by a czar right now. 0.99

01:41:18.000 Putin's a czar. 0.92

01:41:19.000 He's a terrifying person. 0.93

01:41:21.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:41:21.000 They keep fucking shooting guys that know a lot about Russian doping for the Olympics. 1.00

01:41:26.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

01:41:26.000 They keep shooting these doping scientists. 1.00

01:41:28.000 And journalists.

01:41:29.000 Yeah.

01:41:29.000 But the doping scientists, they're dropping like flies.

01:41:32.000 I know.

01:41:32.000 You been paying attention to that?

01:41:33.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:41:33.000 Holy shit. 1.00

01:41:34.000 There you go. 1.00

01:41:34.000 There's a conspiracy. 1.00

01:41:35.000 Oh, that's a real one.

01:41:37.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:41:37.000 Someone's murdering those fucking people. 1.00

01:41:39.000 That's right. 1.00

01:41:39.000 They know too much and they're being taken out. 1.00

01:41:41.000 Russian intelligence.

01:41:42.000 Whoa! 0.71

01:41:43.000 Yeah.

01:41:44.000 Poisoning you with odorless, tasteless substances that the KGB is very good at, or the FSM or whatever it's called now. 0.57

01:41:52.000 And now apparently Putin is revamping the intelligence, his domestic intelligence agency.

01:41:57.000 Do you think Putin knows that we know he has Botox in his forehead?

01:42:00.000 I didn't know that he did.

01:42:01.000 I'm not going to admit or deny that.

01:42:03.000 His forehead's way too shiny.

01:42:04.000 Yeah.

01:42:05.000 It's like an old lady at the beauty power. 1.00

01:42:07.000 There's this journalist that wrote an article in 2012 about him.

01:42:10.000 She's still alive, but she's been harassed.

01:42:13.000 Talk about a gutsy woman. 1.00

01:42:15.000 She just basically wrote this expose on him, called him a small, mean, simple-minded man.

01:42:22.000 It's a lot more than that, man.

01:42:23.000 What Putin is, is like a throwback.

01:42:26.000 Yeah.

01:42:27.000 You know, Jocko Willink, my friend, is a former Navy SEAL. Yeah.

01:42:30.000 You know, Jocko's, he's got a good sense of, like, the way he classified it as, like, perfect.

01:42:36.000 He goes, he's a gangster.

01:42:37.000 Yeah.

01:42:38.000 Both uses of the word.

01:42:39.000 That's right.

01:42:40.000 Like, the guy's just running the country by himself.

01:42:42.000 Like, that is a gangster. 0.56

01:42:43.000 And he's also a real gangster.

01:42:45.000 He's a real gangster.

01:42:47.000 He's one of the rare actual dictators where it's like, oh, he's got a little thing in front of him. 0.69

01:42:54.000 He's pretending that he's the king.

01:42:56.000 He's the king of Russia.

01:42:57.000 And people, but the difference is they love him.

01:42:59.000 He's got 80% approval rating or something like that.

01:43:01.000 Dude, people love Trump too.

01:43:03.000 There's something about, first of all, The 80% approval rating is probably a lot like Kim Jong-un's 100% approval rating.

01:43:09.000 We have no other choices.

01:43:11.000 Well, Gary Kasparov, you ever hear what he said?

01:43:14.000 He said to Governor Pence, Trump's running mate, Trump's running mate said, he's a strong leader, you can't deny it, he's a strong leader.

01:43:23.000 And Gary Kasparov said, Mr. Pence, Governor Pence saying...

01:43:29.000 Vladimir Putin is a strong leader is like saying arsenic is a strong drink.

01:43:33.000 Your country should be ashamed of you.

01:43:35.000 I couldn't agree more.

01:43:36.000 Because you do need to know the difference.

01:43:38.000 You do need to know that when you talk about a strong leader, a strong man in that context, what you're really talking about is a man who thinks he's above the institutions of that country.

01:43:46.000 He's above the rule of law.

01:43:47.000 You are at his whim.

01:43:49.000 And what do strong men do?

01:43:50.000 I'll create security as long as you give me all your money.

01:43:53.000 I'll create security as long as you give me all your freedom.

01:43:55.000 I'll create security as long as you say nothing bad about me.

01:43:58.000 What was that, Dan Carlin, my favorite quote?

01:44:01.000 The Romans created a wasteland and called it peace. 0.93

01:44:04.000 Russia is a one-crop economy. 0.83

01:44:07.000 When was the last time you bought a Russian good?

01:44:08.000 Give me one thing.

01:44:09.000 You ever buy a Russian computer?

01:44:10.000 Everything is from Russia.

01:44:11.000 Everything in my home.

01:44:12.000 Russian car.

01:44:12.000 Russian computer.

01:44:13.000 Russian washing machine.

01:44:15.000 Russian nanotechnology.

01:44:17.000 I buy those big hats.

01:44:17.000 A lot of hats.

01:44:18.000 A lot of hats.

01:44:19.000 With the flaps that come down the side.

01:44:20.000 Vodka.

01:44:21.000 Yeah.

01:44:22.000 She isn't even that good anymore.

01:44:23.000 We make it better, Sweden makes it better, and then you've got...

01:44:25.000 Well, how dare you.

01:44:25.000 I don't even know what you're saying.

01:44:26.000 Oil.

01:44:27.000 I don't agree with any of this.

01:44:28.000 Alright.

01:44:29.000 No, I do.

01:44:29.000 You're in his pocketbook.

01:44:30.000 I think that there's also this game that that Pence guy has to play.

01:44:34.000 I mean, he's been playing the small-time politics game.

01:44:36.000 Now he's going global.

01:44:37.000 I mean, there's this game that this guy has to play where he has to, you know, say nice things about people that Donald Trump has said nice things about.

01:44:46.000 You know, Donald Trump has said that he's a fan of Putin.

01:44:48.000 Yeah.

01:44:49.000 Robert Gates.

01:44:50.000 Yeah, Robert Gates.

01:44:51.000 You know Robert Gates, who was Secretary of Defense, who served eight presidents over 50 years?

01:44:56.000 Okay?

01:44:57.000 I mean, sorry, Robert Gates, right?

01:44:58.000 Wrote an article in the New York Times.

01:45:00.000 This is a guy who served Republican administrations.

01:45:03.000 Look up Robert Gates for a second.

01:45:04.000 Secretary of Defense.

01:45:05.000 But hold on.

01:45:05.000 Look at this article.

01:45:06.000 Yeah, I saw it.

01:45:06.000 I know.

01:45:07.000 I know.

01:45:07.000 It says, Mike Pence says it's inarguable that Putin is a stronger leader than Obama.

01:45:11.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:45:12.000 For me, you're an ignoramus when you say things that are irresponsible. 0.99

01:45:16.000 Robert Gates said that Donald Trump is not only unfit, but dangerous for the defense of this country. 0.98

01:45:23.000 He has zero idea of the nuances that go into geopolitics, what it takes.

01:45:28.000 He operates on his gut, his gut level, and I think that the guy isn't even interested in knowing what he doesn't know.

01:45:35.000 He eats Kentucky Fried Chicken with a fork and knife.

01:45:37.000 Can't stand him. 0.99

01:45:38.000 Some kind of a monster. 0.98

01:45:40.000 I don't like Hillary either, to be honest, because I'm more of a libertarian, but I'll tell you something, I don't like that guy. 0.99

01:45:43.000 He's an egomaniac, and I think he's dangerous. 0.90

01:45:46.000 Beyond repair.

01:45:47.000 Do you think that he thought that this was ever going to really work out this way?

01:45:51.000 That he would actually be the Republican nominee?

01:45:53.000 It's a good question, unless he was doing it for his own brand.

01:45:55.000 I can see him.

01:45:57.000 Everything comes back to that guy.

01:45:58.000 It's all about him, right?

01:46:00.000 It's all about him.

01:46:02.000 And I wouldn't be surprised if, yeah, he said, I'm going to run.

01:46:05.000 It's going to be good for my brand.

01:46:06.000 It's going to make me more famous, which has always ever been interested in, it seems.

01:46:10.000 And it'll be good for my company and all that.

01:46:13.000 And all of a sudden he went, hold on, man.

01:46:14.000 I'm I'm actually going to do this.

01:46:16.000 But I don't think he wants to work that hard.

01:46:18.000 The presidency of the United States?

01:46:20.000 That's a hard thing to...

01:46:21.000 Well, I would assume that he has a ton of obligations.

01:46:25.000 Always.

01:46:25.000 Right?

01:46:26.000 And I would assume all those obligations make him a substantial amount of money.

01:46:30.000 Unlike being the president.

01:46:31.000 The president is not a substantial amount of money in terms of, like, after the fact.

01:46:37.000 Yeah.

01:46:38.000 He put his money in it.

01:46:38.000 He put his company in a trust under his kid's name.

01:46:42.000 That's not...

01:46:43.000 That's not the issue, I think.

01:46:44.000 Yeah, but I mean, you really think he wants to step away from everything and run the country for half a million bucks a year?

01:46:49.000 I don't know.

01:46:50.000 I bet he doesn't.

01:46:51.000 I think that's a good question.

01:46:52.000 $400.

01:46:52.000 The president has earned $400,000 annual salary along with a $50,000 annual expense account, a $100,000 non-taxable travel account, and a $19,000 for entertainment.

01:47:03.000 Hmm.

01:47:03.000 19,000 a year for entertainment?

01:47:05.000 Yeah, I spent a lot more than that.

01:47:06.000 Most recent raising salary was approved by Congress and President Bill Clinton in 1999 went into effect in 2001. So, Clinton was ballin'.

01:47:15.000 How convenient, that motherfucker. 1.00

01:47:17.000 Ballin'. 1.00

01:47:18.000 He wanted that 400 grand.

01:47:19.000 400 grand back then was probably a lot of money.

01:47:21.000 I think Sam Harris on your podcast did a great job of describing Donald Trump.

01:47:25.000 He said, I don't know if he's ever said anything.

01:47:28.000 And I've listened to everything he said.

01:47:30.000 I mean, I try to listen to his speeches.

01:47:31.000 I try to listen to his interviews.

01:47:33.000 And I agree with him.

01:47:34.000 I don't think that Donald Trump has ever said anything profound or insightful.

01:47:38.000 I've never heard him say even anything...

01:47:40.000 Substantive about what he would do about major challenges in this country, other than the fact that he would build a wall, very general, good luck with that, and get tough.

01:47:50.000 He'd get tough on law and order.

01:47:51.000 He's going to get tough like a movie guy.

01:47:52.000 All demagogues, all demagogues in history always talked about law and order and how we have to get tough, and that is another way of saying, give me more power, give me more guns, I'm going to keep things, I'm going to enforce the law, because apparently our cities are hellholes.

01:48:08.000 But that's not true.

01:48:10.000 It's not true.

01:48:11.000 The cities have become places where a lot of people go and have never been safer in the history of this country, New York City, etc.

01:48:17.000 So, you know, this guy, he's got lots of sensationalist things to say, but there's very little substance.

01:48:25.000 Long on style, short on substance.

01:48:27.000 But he's always been that guy.

01:48:28.000 That's his whole marketing campaign.

01:48:31.000 Well, he's a salesman.

01:48:33.000 Yeah.

01:48:34.000 He sells himself.

01:48:35.000 He puts his name everywhere.

01:48:36.000 He brands things.

01:48:37.000 He's got this look.

01:48:39.000 He wears nice suits.

01:48:40.000 He's got a look even with his hair.

01:48:42.000 Come on, he knows he could cut his hair better than that. 1.00

01:48:44.000 He does that shit on purpose. 1.00

01:48:46.000 He does that shit because he knows it's like his whole thing. 1.00

01:48:49.000 His whole thing is just the whole wackiness of it all. 1.00

01:48:53.000 Yeah, but my issue becomes more about when people say, he's got to be smart because he made a lot of money.

01:48:58.000 Okay?

01:48:59.000 So we extrapolate.

01:49:00.000 We make these sort of large claims.

01:49:04.000 And even I would do that.

01:49:05.000 Look, he's an entrepreneur.

01:49:06.000 He does run a company.

01:49:07.000 He has created some value in his brand.

01:49:09.000 He did have luxury apartments.

01:49:11.000 When I think of Trump, I think of nice hotels and nice apartments.

01:49:14.000 I don't want to take everything away from him.

01:49:15.000 He's had mistakes.

01:49:16.000 All entrepreneurs make mistakes, so I don't begrudge him that.

01:49:20.000 Well, here's the deal.

01:49:23.000 This becomes a problem with that word smart.

01:49:26.000 Whether or not you just decide, this person's smart.

01:49:28.000 He's got to be smart.

01:49:28.000 This person's smart.

01:49:29.000 She's smart.

01:49:30.000 He's smart.

01:49:30.000 And then you try to, well, he's got 130 IQ. What does that mean?

01:49:33.000 You're really good at problem solving?

01:49:34.000 How good are you socially?

01:49:36.000 How good are you understanding people?

01:49:37.000 How good a conversationalist are you?

01:49:39.000 There's a lot of variables when it comes to what is smart and what's not smart. 0.64

01:49:42.000 Obviously, that guy is fairly good at making fuckloads of money.

01:49:47.000 Right? 0.89

01:49:48.000 He's fairly good at running casinos and hotels and restaurants.

01:49:51.000 I mean, those things fall apart and drop and, you know, people lose money.

01:49:55.000 There's a lot of ups and downs when it comes to business.

01:49:58.000 But, you know, he's flying around in jets. 0.99

01:50:00.000 He's got big houses and shit. 0.99

01:50:01.000 I mean, there's a lot of success there. 0.98

01:50:03.000 It's not like he lost all of his money and he's poor.

01:50:05.000 No.

01:50:05.000 He inherited about $200 million and had a whole apparatus including lawyers and political connections in New York.

01:50:11.000 But, you know, he's...

01:50:12.000 Is that how much?

01:50:13.000 Is that what the number is?

01:50:14.000 Yeah.

01:50:14.000 $200 million?

01:50:14.000 Yeah.

01:50:14.000 But he had money before that, right?

01:50:16.000 He inherited that money.

01:50:17.000 No, before he was given like two million bucks by his parents as a loan to start his first business. 0.95

01:50:23.000 No, this is ridiculous.

01:50:24.000 His father was a huge developer and he'd always follow his father around.

01:50:27.000 His father was a giant developer in New York and he inherited essentially not only the money but also the political apparatus, the connections.

01:50:35.000 You know, so much of Trump's When he bought so many of those buildings in New York, and I think at the center of his empire is 15 buildings in New York City, he bought those buildings and he got huge tax breaks.

01:50:48.000 Again, I don't begrudge that.

01:50:51.000 Developers work deals with the city and they get big tax breaks.

01:50:55.000 But remember, a lot of those deals came from deep Right.

01:51:18.000 Greasing the political palms to get and make and hold on to your money.

01:51:23.000 The same thing you criticize other people.

01:51:25.000 But he's kind of admitting that he did it.

01:51:26.000 He's saying he understands how the system works.

01:51:28.000 Like when he was talking about how he went to Hillary Clinton's wedding.

01:51:31.000 Right.

01:51:32.000 He gave her money.

01:51:33.000 He gave her money and went to her wedding.

01:51:35.000 Yeah.

01:51:35.000 It's great.

01:51:36.000 Which is, by the way, when you watch those debates, he's really entertaining.

01:51:40.000 Yeah.

01:51:41.000 He is.

01:51:41.000 You can't begrudge people.

01:51:44.000 I don't think it's good to say that all people that support Trump are dumb or rednecks. 1.00

01:51:49.000 I think that's prejudiced and ridiculous. 0.99

01:51:50.000 There are people that are really fed up with the way things are working. 0.92

01:51:53.000 The system, Democratic and Republican, is not working for them.

01:51:57.000 There are a thousand reasons, and they're going, at least this guy's speaking his mind, and he's just different.

01:52:02.000 You know, I get it.

01:52:03.000 But please, man.

01:52:05.000 Please.

01:52:06.000 He's not the answer.

01:52:07.000 Plus, it's kind of fun.

01:52:08.000 He's fun!

01:52:09.000 It's kind of fun when this guy...

01:52:11.000 Well, the whole thing...

01:52:11.000 He'd probably be fun for us to hang out with.

01:52:13.000 You know what I mean?

01:52:13.000 He's a guy.

01:52:14.000 Maybe.

01:52:15.000 Maybe.

01:52:15.000 If we could be assured that he wasn't being recorded.

01:52:18.000 Yeah.

01:52:18.000 Make it feel free.

01:52:20.000 We could cut a couple of pops in him.

01:52:21.000 Yes.

01:52:21.000 Yeah, maybe.

01:52:22.000 But there's a bunch of issues with Clinton as well.

01:52:26.000 And you look at all the stuff that's attached to her and all the people that think that there's something wrong with her and what she represents.

01:52:34.000 There's not one ideal choice.

01:52:36.000 And then, okay, Jill Stein, who's the Green Party candidate, she just said that she thinks that 16-year-olds should be allowed to vote.

01:52:44.000 Which is just hilarious.

01:52:46.000 Um, no, they would vote for unicorns and Narnia.

01:52:51.000 Yeah.

01:52:51.000 Like, they're children.

01:52:52.000 Yeah, they're children.

01:52:53.000 They're teenagers.

01:52:54.000 Yes.

01:52:54.000 Teenagers shouldn't be able to decide the future of the world.

01:52:56.000 Their brains aren't fully formed.

01:52:57.000 It's crazy.

01:52:58.000 They're children.

01:52:59.000 They're living at home still.

01:53:00.000 Like, stop.

01:53:01.000 No, you don't get to decide how the world works.

01:53:03.000 That's crazy.

01:53:04.000 Right. 0.99

01:53:05.000 That's so ridiculous. 0.98

01:53:06.000 Dude, I think about the way I thought when I was 25 versus now. 0.99

01:53:09.000 I mean...

01:53:09.000 16, I was such a monkey.

01:53:11.000 I was a monkey. 1.00

01:53:13.000 The idea that anybody could ask me any questions other than why is my dick hard all the time? 0.99

01:53:18.000 I don't have any answers. 1.00

01:53:19.000 I don't know what the fuck's going on. 0.99

01:53:21.000 Oh my god, I agree. 1.00

01:53:22.000 All these people that are running for president are all silly. 1.00

01:53:25.000 They're all silly people. 1.00

01:53:26.000 You need like, like literally would need like a Sam Harris. 0.99

01:53:29.000 And then he would, you know, you'd need like a really smart guy.

01:53:33.000 Who could be pragmatic about things, and then you could appoint people who are qualified.

01:53:37.000 I don't need to nominate Sam, because he doesn't want to do it.

01:53:40.000 But you know what I'm saying?

01:53:41.000 Well, even Sam has his limitation.

01:53:43.000 What's interesting about Sam Harris is that Sam's model for human behavior, and Sam's model for the way things should work, is that essentially people are rational.

01:53:55.000 Because his arguments against religion, if you listen to some of his speeches, are...

01:53:59.000 Listen to how irrational this is.

01:54:01.000 The problem is...

01:54:03.000 That, you know, Jonathan Haidt, who's a great thinker, and they had a debate, and Jonathan Haidt said to Sam Harris, Sam, your model for human beings is a little bit outdated because you're assuming human minds are rational.

01:54:16.000 Human beings are intuitive.

01:54:17.000 We are emotional.

01:54:19.000 And in fact, we're emotional and we will create rationality around those impulses and those emotions.

01:54:25.000 So even he has his limitations on how human beings work, and I'm sure we'd be criticizing his point of view as well, but I agree with you.

01:54:32.000 But let's stop right there, because that's a giant generalization. 0.99

01:54:34.000 Whenever someone says human beings are this, there's a giant percentage of us that are totally irrational and out of our fucking minds. 0.99

01:54:41.000 And then there's a percentage of us that are rational. 0.99

01:54:43.000 And I shouldn't say us, because I'm not necessarily sure I'm rational.

01:54:46.000 Our personality.

01:54:47.000 Some parts of our personalities are rational.

01:54:50.000 Hey, you know why I spar?

01:54:52.000 In case I get in a fight.

01:54:54.000 That's how insecure I am.

01:54:55.000 I just want to be ready for an imaginary scenario.

01:54:58.000 Does that make any sense?

01:55:00.000 Not really, dude.

01:55:02.000 But we all do these things.

01:55:04.000 I'm losing my power.

01:55:05.000 Never had much anyway.

01:55:06.000 Do you lift weights?

01:55:08.000 Yes, I deadlift. 0.99

01:55:08.000 I know you can't tell, but dude, I'm going to show you my lower back and my ass. 0.99

01:55:12.000 Okay. 1.00

01:55:12.000 Yeah, I work for my core, you fuck. 1.00

01:55:14.000 Something to look forward to. 1.00

01:55:14.000 I believe you. 1.00

01:55:15.000 All right, well, no, I feel like you're...

01:55:16.000 When we're talking about just, like, someone generalizing, people do this or people do that, I think people are absolutely capable of better, and I think they're wiser now than they were hundreds of years ago when they believed unbelievably ridiculous things.

01:55:30.000 It's not that long.

01:55:31.000 It's such a short amount of time with how far people have come.

01:55:35.000 You know, like we were talking about earlier when we first brought up this Matt LeBlanc thing, putting in perspective the steps that have been made and then the progress that has been made.

01:55:45.000 It's just a strange time.

01:55:47.000 It's a strange time because on one hand you do have these really fascinating, really rational people that make some great points and you go, wow, maybe there's hope for us.

01:55:56.000 But I think it's like what I said, the little building blocks, these Legos.

01:55:59.000 You put a little tiny layer of Legos on with each little experience and each little, the way it gets interpreted by people.

01:56:07.000 And they add up to things.

01:56:08.000 So our version of what reality is now, it keeps changing and growing and expanding and morphing as opposed to a 1930s movie depiction of reality.

01:56:19.000 Of reality, which is really all we have to go on other than history books.

01:56:22.000 Yes.

01:56:22.000 What do we have to do?

01:56:23.000 We have to go on, like, what it looked like to watch Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?

01:56:26.000 Like, how did they talk to each other?

01:56:28.000 Who were these people?

01:56:29.000 Like, is this how people were back then?

01:56:31.000 Right.

01:56:31.000 Because you got the written word, you know.

01:56:32.000 So we're coming closer to the answers, right?

01:56:34.000 Is it what you say?

01:56:35.000 Moving toward more of a truthful model, at least, for how the world works?

01:56:40.000 I think it's so far away, but I think it'll happen quicker than you think, because I think with the exponential expansion of technology, it's going to accelerate all this learning and this understanding.

01:56:50.000 I think one of the things that we're feeling really weird about when it comes to the internet is this invasion effect, where it's invading our lives, it's invading people's privacy, it's invading your time, people are getting addicted to checking websites and checking their phone.

01:57:05.000 It's got this sort of invasive thing.

01:57:08.000 And when I look at that, like the other day I was at this place and all these people were on their phone and I just stopped and I was just looking around and all these people were walking and talking on their phone and holding their phone in front of them.

01:57:19.000 I'm like, this is a takeover.

01:57:21.000 This is a takeover.

01:57:22.000 Like if that was an alien, like it looks cute because it's glass and it's beautiful and it sits in your pocket.

01:57:27.000 But if there was like an alien that came and landed in your ear and demanded as much time as your phone demands...

01:57:35.000 Like we would think, oh my God, human beings, their minds are being taken over by this being.

01:57:40.000 If something just climbed up on top of your face and just started talking and you're like, hey man, I got to my dance.

01:57:47.000 And you're like sitting there with these aliens on your ear all day.

01:57:51.000 People would freak out.

01:57:53.000 They're like, oh my God, we've got to get back to being people.

01:57:55.000 Well, there's some weird filter between being a person and then being a person communicating with people only through technology, only through electronics, that you're inseparable.

01:58:06.000 You're inseparable from these things.

01:58:08.000 It's true.

01:58:08.000 All those things are leading us in some sort of a weird way closer and closer and closer together.

01:58:14.000 To a neural net.

01:58:15.000 Yeah, man.

01:58:16.000 It's going to take place.

01:58:18.000 It's just a matter of when.

01:58:20.000 It's not, well, someday, maybe.

01:58:22.000 No, it's going to take place.

01:58:23.000 Whether or not we all choose to voluntarily join in, I don't know.

01:58:28.000 But I think it's going to be just one of the inevitable realities of the future, like auto-driving cars, self-driving cars.

01:58:37.000 They seem to be one of those things you see on the horizon.

01:58:40.000 To what end, though, right?

01:58:41.000 Yeah.

01:58:41.000 To what end?

01:58:42.000 It always feels like...

01:58:43.000 Human beings are pushing toward their version of immortality.

01:58:47.000 Everybody wants to live forever, right?

01:58:49.000 Everybody wants to live forever.

01:58:50.000 Germ theory.

01:58:51.000 Germ theory was a radical theory.

01:58:53.000 Germ theory, remember, is a very new concept.

01:58:58.000 Germ theory was don't drink that water because there are germs in there.

01:59:04.000 When Leeuwenhoek invented the microscope and was checking his own saliva before he brushed his teeth, he'd look and say, there's all these germs in my mouth.

01:59:13.000 And there are these little microbes that you can't see, but I created these lenses and you can see them.

01:59:20.000 And then he would clean his mouth out and he'd spit into the slide and he'd say, ah, there are less of those moving things in my mouth.

01:59:28.000 That was the beginning.

01:59:29.000 People like that were the beginning of the idea that there is something called bacteria.

01:59:35.000 Now we're realizing there are good bacteria and bad bacteria.

01:59:40.000 But all these sort of developments were there to push us beyond our biology.

01:59:46.000 So we didn't have to die of infection anymore because we came up with this idea because Alexander Fleming came up with something called penicillin.

01:59:53.000 He had a cold and his snot dripped into a Petri disc that had some mold in it and he realized that the mold had killed the bacteria that was in his nose and he went, wait a minute.

02:00:06.000 I'm going to invent something called penicillin, and then antibiotics were born.

02:00:10.000 So we have all these giant leaps, this idea that you can't see them but they're germs, so wash your hands.

02:00:16.000 What?

02:00:17.000 And it'll keep things like the bubonic plague maybe at bay, etc., etc.

02:00:21.000 And so as we move in this direction of understanding, Of understanding about our own biology, understanding about our own psychology, understanding about, you know, sort of the dangers of certain ideologies and why we should embrace other ideologies.

02:00:38.000 Like, for example, I don't know, everybody's of the same moral worth.

02:00:42.000 Because something's weird and different, because they're gay, or they wear weird clothing. 1.00

02:00:47.000 That doesn't mean they should be ostracized.

02:00:49.000 In fact, that means they should be included.

02:00:50.000 Well, what are we doing here with all this knowledge?

02:00:53.000 What we're doing is we're saying, this is a better way to live.

02:00:56.000 This is a more comfortable way to live.

02:00:58.000 This will allow us to live for a longer period of time, in more comfort.

02:01:05.000 But, why?

02:01:08.000 Why?

02:01:08.000 Is it so we can come up with better movies, books, ideas?

02:01:13.000 It starts to get to a point where you're like, what are we doing this for?

02:01:17.000 Is it just for our entertainment?

02:01:20.000 And then does that mean that we are chasing more sensation?

02:01:25.000 It might be sensory sensation.

02:01:27.000 Or is the idea to achieve a higher level of understanding?

02:01:33.000 And then there are problems that we really have trouble with, which is something like climate change.

02:01:38.000 Climate change is real.

02:01:40.000 You've got ice sheets melting at a rate, you know, I think what is the Los Angeles Basin use is one kilometer Of water a year and Greenland's ice sheet is melting at something like 240 kilometers.

02:01:55.000 I mean, something crazy.

02:01:56.000 We're losing, you know, sea levels are going to rise.

02:01:58.000 There's this other huge existential threat that's going to affect all of us, maybe push a half a billion people who live on coastlines inland to create a massive amount of, you know, ecological changes on a scale maybe we haven't seen.

02:02:15.000 So it's just a very strange thing as we get closer to learning how to live together and learning a better life as we create this neural net where we're getting a better understanding of what it's like to be somebody else, even though their culture, their software is so different.

02:02:29.000 It makes us more compassionate, I suppose, as a group of people, right?

02:02:33.000 We can have a language for it.

02:02:34.000 At least we're trying.

02:02:36.000 At least we know that's important.

02:02:37.000 At least we know things like racism, even though it exists, is kind of a bad idea for a lot of reasons.

02:02:44.000 Yes, we're getting closer to this goal, but then I feel like there's this giant tidal wave behind us.

02:02:50.000 An ecological tidal wave.

02:02:52.000 Maybe!

02:02:53.000 Maybe!

02:02:53.000 And then what does that mean?

02:02:54.000 Honestly, it's all a moot point if we get hit by an asteroid.

02:02:56.000 Right! 0.96

02:02:56.000 I mean, we have a lot of near-earth objects that could fucking ruin civilization instantaneously. 0.96

02:03:01.000 It comes back to fractals. 0.89

02:03:03.000 Well, that's what I was going to say.

02:03:04.000 Yeah.

02:03:04.000 There's that little bomb in Chelsea.

02:03:05.000 I could have been obliterated.

02:03:07.000 I got all these plans. 0.93

02:03:08.000 Well, it really does go back to fractals because one of the mindfuck of all mindfucks is that when you go into a person's body, the deeper you go, you hit their cells, you go into their cells, you find subatomic particles blinking out of existence and most of it is air anyway,

02:03:23.000 which is a lot like what? 0.99

02:03:25.000 The fucking universe. 1.00

02:03:26.000 Yes! 0.99

02:03:26.000 So we don't know because we only have a limited amount of ability to measure these things. 0.99

02:03:32.000 But it's entirely possible that inside every one of those events, subatomic events, where you're seeing particles blinking in and out of existence, you might be able to go deeper and deeper and deeper and find a whole new universe.

02:03:41.000 The human cell is a universe.

02:03:43.000 The human cell and the mechanisms are so intricate and so detailed and there's so much going on that it's actually mind-boggling.

02:03:50.000 You could spend a lifetime studying how a cell breaks down and what is going on in a cell.

02:03:57.000 You could spend a lifetime.

02:03:58.000 That's the true nature of infinity, and that's why it's so impossible to grasp, because if there are hundreds of billions of galaxies in this universe, each with hundreds of billions of stars, it's entirely possible that all of that could just be one subatomic particle that's in another cell,

02:04:14.000 that's in some other person, in some other universe, and that goes on and on.

02:04:20.000 I mean, that is the true nature of infinity, that it has no end.

02:04:23.000 So it is entirely possible that what we look at as a structure, you look at the universe, like, wow, this amazing, constantly expanding thing, it's so beautiful, and there's so many stars, that it might be a part of a cell that's immeasurable to our little puny eyes and minds.

02:04:39.000 Maybe the answer then is surrender, like Socrates and Newton, two of the arguably greatest minds that we, at least in the European tradition, Socrates says, I know more than everybody else because I'm very aware of the fact that I basically know nothing.

02:04:53.000 After a lifetime of contemplation, and then Newton said, I'm standing on the shoulders of giants, but he kind of likened himself to a kid skipping a rock along the surface of the ocean.

02:05:02.000 That's how much he knows.

02:05:03.000 Do you think Newton was on the spectrum?

02:05:04.000 Because it seemed like Newton had some really weird things.

02:05:07.000 You know what he said, right?

02:05:08.000 At the end of his life, his greatest accomplishment.

02:05:10.000 You know what his greatest accomplishment was?

02:05:11.000 What?

02:05:11.000 It's so funny.

02:05:12.000 He said, my greatest accomplishment, he invented calculus, you know, spatial relationship theory, gravity, motion.

02:05:20.000 I mean, he's the father of all scientists, right?

02:05:23.000 And he said, my biggest achievement was lifelong celibacy.

02:05:30.000 Yeah, that was his thing. 1.00

02:05:32.000 He was into no pussy. 1.00

02:05:34.000 Very religious, but whatever that meant. 1.00

02:05:37.000 But yes, do I think he was on the spectrum?

02:05:39.000 I think a mind like that, on that level, was on a lot of spectrums.

02:05:42.000 What do I know?

02:05:43.000 But that's another thing, right, isn't it?

02:05:45.000 When we measure something or label something, like, oh, he's got Asperger's, or he's autistic.

02:05:52.000 What does that even mean?

02:05:55.000 Right.

02:05:56.000 Okay?

02:05:56.000 It's not like being a white guy, right?

02:05:59.000 He's got blue eyes.

02:06:00.000 Oh, yep, he does.

02:06:01.000 I see his eyes.

02:06:01.000 They're blue.

02:06:02.000 He's autistic. 0.64

02:06:02.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.64

02:06:03.000 I see the big A in his forehead.

02:06:05.000 No.

02:06:06.000 There's no...

02:06:06.000 What is it?

02:06:08.000 Just a series of characteristics?

02:06:09.000 And then there's a spectrum, right?

02:06:10.000 So what level is Einstein at?

02:06:14.000 What level is Elon Musk at?

02:06:16.000 What level are you at?

02:06:17.000 Well, maybe the answer then is to get...

02:06:19.000 Really good at one thing.

02:06:21.000 That's what a lot of people like the Zen sort of that's where archery is and in the art of archery, you know, you learn everything through one thing through deep deep practice and deep immersion into one particular discipline because what it requires to be Expert,

02:06:36.000 mastery, like mastery at something, will lead you to a deeper understanding of all things.

02:06:42.000 That would be the sort of Zen, Asian mindset, which I've always loved.

02:06:48.000 I tend to be interested in a fuckload of things, but there is something to be said about Josh Wayskin's book, The Art of Learning, where he said when he was a chess master, and then he got so into jiu-jitsu, he's Marcelo Garcia's first black belt, and he said, When I was studying jujitsu,

02:07:05.000 I was getting better at chess.

02:07:06.000 When I was doing chess, I was getting better at jujitsu.

02:07:09.000 So maybe all of it's related.

02:07:11.000 Well, I'm sure it is.

02:07:12.000 But what my point was is that so many people's brains work so differently.

02:07:17.000 And I wonder if that's all just a part of the mechanism as well, is that in order for this thing to keep moving, it can't be a bunch of farmers.

02:07:25.000 What do you mean the way humans interact with each other and the innovation that comes out of that, the communication that comes out of that, the change and the influence that comes out of that.

02:07:35.000 Even things as innocuous as a podcast between two dudes that sat down, one of them being a terrorist survivor yourself, maybe smoked a little marijuana and just rambled for two and a half hours.

02:07:46.000 I heard the explosion and saw the smoke, yes.

02:07:48.000 See, I think that all of the experiences that we all have, the good and the bad, they're influential in some sort of a strange way, and it all seems to be kind of balancing itself out, or at least pushing into a certain direction.

02:08:01.000 And that direction seems to be the improvement of the civilization.

02:08:06.000 Even the poorly thought out measures, like this woman writing this awful article about Matt LeBlanc, The idea behind it that she's going to get support is because she's saying that someone is doing something, even though it's not true, someone's doing something bad for society and culture.

02:08:22.000 This person has a voice of influence and they should never work again because society and culture demands that you behave a certain way or we will take away your livelihood.

02:08:32.000 No more jokes.

02:08:33.000 Well, the only way that would work at all, other than you're just a mean person and you're trying to like take people's jobs away and make people poor, the only way it would work is if you're promoting something of merit for the civilization.

02:08:46.000 So by saying someone is awful and terrible and this is why they should never work again, like you are in some sort of way, in your lame-minded attempt, you're trying to push culture forward.

02:08:58.000 Yes.

02:08:59.000 Yes.

02:09:00.000 You're trying to solve a problem.

02:09:01.000 Yeah, that's a common thread.

02:09:03.000 Even when we're looking at dealing with international crises, the reason why we're looking at those crises is we don't want them to blow up in our face.

02:09:10.000 We want to push towards a better future.

02:09:17.000 Principles and understanding and understanding what the goal is, philosophy, is very important.

02:09:24.000 And I'll give you an example.

02:09:25.000 You've got to be very careful of giving people a pass.

02:09:27.000 I'm not saying you are, but of giving people a pass in the notion that they're trying to solve a problem.

02:09:32.000 Because the means don't justify the ends.

02:09:35.000 Plenty of examples.

02:09:36.000 I had an acting teacher one time who said, if you're trying to play Hitler, you're trying to play Stalin.

02:09:40.000 As an actor, you can't play him as a monster.

02:09:42.000 You've got to play him as a guy who's trying to solve a problem.

02:09:44.000 You know, in Hitler's mind, in his twisted mind, he was trying to solve a problem. 0.96

02:09:49.000 That problem was Jews, gypsies, gays, or anybody who wasn't quote-unquote Aryan. 1.00

02:09:55.000 And he was going to make, at the end of the day, he was going to make the world a better place.

02:10:01.000 That's where I think, and this is where the real work comes in, that's where I think it's so important to be able to articulate for yourself and for others why certain things are better, certain ways of living, certain beliefs,

02:10:17.000 certain practices, my God, cultural practices, certain philosophies, politically, for example.

02:10:23.000 Are better for the greater good than is this over here.

02:10:27.000 And that's where people like Michael Shermer and Sam Harris are doing great work.

02:10:31.000 That's where those guys sit around and they articulate for us things that we might intuitively feel or they sway us in a better direction when our emotion takes us in a different direction. 0.89

02:10:44.000 When our emotion says, let's vote for Trump because he's a guy who at least is quote-unquote getting shit done or he's taking the chessboard and throwing it in the air.

02:10:53.000 And then the more sober thinkers who spend time thinking about this say, hey Bri, hey Joe, hey Steve over there, I know you feel this way. 0.90

02:11:03.000 Let me steer you over here and here's why.

02:11:05.000 Because we should be actually, it's not just about trying to solve the problem.

02:11:09.000 Let's get to what we're really trying to get to and here's why.

02:11:12.000 There's also a lot going on where, like we talked about before, people love to be on a team.

02:11:18.000 They love to associate with a group.

02:11:20.000 We all do.

02:11:21.000 And that's why they're wearing that ugly hat, that red hat with the white letters, let's make America great again. 1.00

02:11:27.000 I mean, that's a fuck you to everyone who's looking. 1.00

02:11:30.000 It's a red feather that's on your head, a bright red peacock feather that's on your head. 1.00

02:11:35.000 And you're also like other assholes, fellow assholes. 1.00

02:11:39.000 You see them and they honk at you and they're like, Make America great again, bro! 1.00

02:11:42.000 And they'll pump their fist up.

02:11:44.000 I mean, this is a part of what's going on here. 0.99

02:11:46.000 It's not just a bunch of people that are like, look, this system is fucked. 0.94

02:11:49.000 The only way it's going to be fixed is if the whole thing gets thrown into turmoil. 0.98

02:11:53.000 He's our best bet for that.

02:11:54.000 And I would agree.

02:11:55.000 He's our best bet for that.

02:11:56.000 He just is.

02:11:57.000 As far as upsetting the Trey and going, okay, let's see what happens now. 1.00

02:12:02.000 Well, let's fix some shit, obviously. 0.99

02:12:04.000 How'd that guy get through? 0.99

02:12:06.000 He's our best bet for that.

02:12:08.000 But, man, it's...

02:12:11.000 It's dangerous.

02:12:12.000 It's dangerous to also cater to that lowest common denominator.

02:12:18.000 Revolutions.

02:12:18.000 People get burned in revolutions.

02:12:19.000 Revolutions, no matter how small, the idea that you're going to take everything that sort of settled and was there for a reason that sort of became – there's an organic set point sometimes to societies.

02:12:32.000 And when you come in and somebody just throws everything out with the bathwater, it doesn't historically have a good – it typically doesn't have a good response.

02:12:40.000 I mean, maybe it can, maybe it can't.

02:12:42.000 I mean, it's possible they could engineer correctly.

02:12:43.000 But the real issue is, he doesn't, like, as a spokesperson, he doesn't represent progress.

02:12:51.000 No.

02:12:51.000 Like, Obama represented substantial progress over Bush.

02:12:55.000 As far as speaking, as far as his intelligence level, his articulation level, his likability.

02:13:01.000 I would even argue also his prudence, his inaction.

02:13:05.000 He was very careful.

02:13:07.000 A lot of what will define Obama's presidency, I think, and probably in a favorable light, is the fact that he was not willing to take action very often, which is just as important sometimes as taking action.

02:13:22.000 Do you think it's possible he could free Edward Snowden?

02:13:26.000 Do you think he could exonerate him before he leaves office?

02:13:29.000 I'm gonna take heat for this, but personally, I hope he does pardon him.

02:13:34.000 You're going to take heat from that?

02:13:36.000 Really?

02:13:36.000 Yeah, I mean, a lot of people consider him a traitor.

02:13:38.000 Who are these people?

02:13:39.000 You hear a lot of this, but I think Edward Snowden did us a great service.

02:13:43.000 I think he's a very gutsy guy.

02:13:45.000 He's a very definition of a patriot.

02:13:47.000 I agree with you.

02:13:48.000 He was alerting us of a crime that people that we elected were engaging in, and a lot of people that we didn't elect.

02:13:53.000 That's right.

02:13:54.000 A lot of people that were doing something that's unconstitutional, that's not approved, and that the citizens of the United States do not want.

02:14:02.000 But that's a good example of emotion, right?

02:14:04.000 That's a good example of people that get very emotional at the idea that this guy betrayed our intelligence agency, our military, and things like that.

02:14:11.000 So that's what they're seeing.

02:14:12.000 So that becomes team, you know?

02:14:14.000 But look at it in this perspective. 0.99

02:14:15.000 They caught that fucking guy in New York, the bomber, within a couple of days. 0.99

02:14:22.000 Would they have been able to do that if they did not have extensive surveillance methods? 0.99

02:14:27.000 That's a good question.

02:14:28.000 And is that worth the influence that these these surveillance methods have on us?

02:14:36.000 Like if you know that your phone is being watched and that all those dick pictures that you send are all being collected somewhere and then all those crazy texts you send about the government conspiracies are all being collected somewhere and And potentially could be used against you if you run for office somewhere.

02:14:51.000 So if you decide to run for office and you say, you know what, I love New York City.

02:14:55.000 It's time New York City had a mayor that people understand.

02:14:57.000 I'm going to run for you.

02:14:58.000 I know I'm just an actor, but I'm going to...

02:15:00.000 And then all of a sudden they pull you into a room and say, hey, Brian.

02:15:02.000 Yeah.

02:15:03.000 Come over here.

02:15:04.000 We'd like to talk to you about some of the emails that you've sent over the years.

02:15:07.000 I'll answer that question with two parts.

02:15:09.000 What is this?

02:15:10.000 Sorry, there's a new radio lab that's talking about surveillance.

02:15:12.000 It's crazy, crazy stories in it.

02:15:15.000 And they've done good stuff in that radio lab where they caught cartel members and stuff, but I'll answer that in two ways.

02:15:20.000 One is if surveillance is a reality and law enforcement has to have some surveillance, they do great work and they keep us safe.

02:15:29.000 However, their history would suggest two things.

02:15:32.000 One is that Surveillance, if you give the government power over you in that context.

02:15:41.000 It's only going to grow unless you have very strong checks, balances, and transparency.

02:15:48.000 It is only going to grow.

02:15:50.000 And that has been the track record of every government.

02:15:54.000 And that's just how human beings are.

02:15:57.000 They're going to take the power they feel is necessary and more so if you give it to them.

02:16:03.000 That was Eisenhower leaving office.

02:16:05.000 The military industrial complex.

02:16:07.000 Yeah, that crazy speech that he gave, which is just like, whoa.

02:16:10.000 It was prescient, wasn't it?

02:16:12.000 Well, it's amazing because it was only seen on television that one time.

02:16:15.000 That's right.

02:16:16.000 And then it took until it was made into VHS or DVD or whatever, and then leaked online, where people got a glimpse.

02:16:23.000 I mean, most people are not going over former presidential speeches with fine-tooth comb, trying to find nuggets of wisdom.

02:16:29.000 But that one now has made its way into the cultural zeitgeist.

02:16:33.000 Sure has.

02:16:35.000 You know, it was a call.

02:16:37.000 It was a call to the people.

02:16:38.000 He's saying, be careful, because there's a machine out there that wants to go to war.

02:16:42.000 Well, be careful of this, too.

02:16:43.000 The second part, too, the idea that surveillance shouldn't be...

02:16:52.000 Well, the fact is that if the government now has control over what I say, and if the government is listening in without my consent, and I'm a private citizen who doesn't commit crimes, Then I'm sorry,

02:17:09.000 but the terrorists have won. 0.95

02:17:12.000 They won because they changed the way I think, and they changed the way my governor governs me, and they have created anonymity and a power structure That can do whatever the fuck they want to its citizenry. 0.99

02:17:26.000 That is un-American. 0.97

02:17:28.000 That is anti-constitutional.

02:17:30.000 That is not the country I want to live in.

02:17:33.000 It's not, most importantly, what makes this country great.

02:17:36.000 It is the opposite.

02:17:38.000 It is what Russia does and a lot of other countries.

02:17:40.000 So if you want a weaker country, ironically, it is not to give government agencies I don't care who they are.

02:17:49.000 I don't care how well-intentioned they are, and a lot of them are well-intentioned.

02:17:52.000 They do great work, and they keep us safe.

02:17:54.000 You better have transparency, and you better have checks and balances, and you better be following the law, and you better have court orders, etc., etc.

02:18:03.000 I want all those systems in place.

02:18:06.000 You know what?

02:18:07.000 It might be cumbersome. 0.99

02:18:09.000 It might be a pain in the ass. 0.98

02:18:10.000 It might even make us a little less safe sometimes. 0.99

02:18:13.000 But I'll take it. 0.95

02:18:14.000 I'll fucking take that over giving any government agency power over my private affairs and letting them listen in specifically. 0.96

02:18:23.000 And ultimately, at the end of the day, a big part of the problem is that they're all just people. 0.98

02:18:27.000 Of course they're just people.

02:18:29.000 You really can't have...

02:18:31.000 People having that kind of control and power over other people just as we talked about the beginning of the podcast that starts out about Greenpeace and then after a while becomes about having power I mean people love to have a position of Influence and power and they don't give it up use it.

02:18:47.000 Yeah when if that is your life I mean that is what you do.

02:18:50.000 I'm a cop I'm a police officer and I'm the law in this town and We love those movies.

02:18:56.000 I'm the law.

02:18:57.000 That kind of craziness, it's intoxicating.

02:19:01.000 People always say to all the cops, look, they're a lot of great, like we said.

02:19:04.000 We're people.

02:19:05.000 It's people.

02:19:05.000 Stop saying, yeah, it's just people, man.

02:19:07.000 So what's the solution?

02:19:09.000 The solution, if you read the Constitution, You start with the Federalist Papers and read the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

02:19:17.000 That's the solution.

02:19:19.000 That's what makes our country great.

02:19:21.000 Hey, you're getting aggressive.

02:19:21.000 I know.

02:19:22.000 And I like to point this out.

02:19:25.000 They solved the political problem, our founding fathers.

02:19:28.000 That's the solution.

02:19:30.000 Yes, new challenges.

02:19:32.000 Yes, this is complicated, man.

02:19:34.000 Yes, we do need surveillance.

02:19:36.000 Yes, technology is making it so that they can listen in on all that.

02:19:40.000 But it's also making them transparent.

02:19:43.000 They're getting busted left and right.

02:19:44.000 And people from our generation are slowly starting to get into office.

02:19:49.000 And there's more of that too.

02:19:51.000 People who grew up and had the internet when they were younger.

02:19:53.000 And it helped form their understanding of the world in a better way.

02:19:57.000 And it also explained to them the nature of transparency.

02:20:01.000 Like you're seeing this guy who was Hillary Clinton's email deleter.

02:20:04.000 They found his account on Reddit.

02:20:06.000 And he was asking a couple of years ago how to delete emails in Matt.

02:20:10.000 Yeah, I mean, it's a total smoking gun. 0.99

02:20:13.000 Damn! 0.98

02:20:13.000 They found it, and then he deleted the Reddit post after they found it, because he had had a certain Reddit handle, and they could bring that Reddit handle, they could connect it back to him. 0.98

02:20:24.000 Yeah, a lot of that, I suspect, is Hillary not wanting people to see that she was talking about how this was an Islamic fundamentalist movement and Benghazi stuff.

02:20:36.000 The Obama administration has this strange edict where they don't really mention that it's Islamic terrorism.

02:20:43.000 They mention that it's extremism.

02:20:45.000 Well, how about Orlando?

02:20:46.000 They literally cut it out of the transcripts, the things that the shooter was saying.

02:20:50.000 They cut mentions to Islam.

02:20:52.000 It's weird.

02:20:54.000 You're lying.

02:20:54.000 It's the world we live in.

02:20:55.000 It's the world we live in.

02:20:56.000 Yeah, you're lying.

02:20:57.000 Exactly.

02:20:58.000 That's not helping anybody.

02:20:59.000 Not helping anybody. 0.95

02:21:00.000 The fact of the matter is these people are Islamic fundamentalists. 0.70

02:21:03.000 And you're just going to make things worse if you don't acknowledge that fact.

02:21:06.000 You're just going to deny people information.

02:21:08.000 They're going to think there's some sort of conspiracy.

02:21:10.000 They're going to get angry.

02:21:11.000 They're going to feel like they're not being represented properly. 1.00

02:21:13.000 They're going to think these liberal pussies are fucking ruining our great country and it's going to build up Donald Trump. 1.00

02:21:18.000 That's where a guy like Donald Trump comes from. 1.00

02:21:20.000 You're right.

02:21:21.000 The oversensitivity of the left Is what's created Donald Trump.

02:21:24.000 The acceptance of Caitlyn Jenner created Donald Trump.

02:21:28.000 So Caitlyn Jenner is the...

02:21:30.000 You gotta go back to Caitlyn Jenner.

02:21:32.000 You gotta go back to Bruce Jenner first.

02:21:34.000 Right.

02:21:34.000 And that nose job.

02:21:35.000 That tiny little nose he got.

02:21:37.000 How about the jaw?

02:21:38.000 He got his jaw shaved down.

02:21:39.000 He was such a good looking man.

02:21:40.000 Turned his face into rubber.

02:21:41.000 Now his face doesn't move.

02:21:42.000 He can't talk right.

02:21:43.000 It's crazy. 1.00

02:21:44.000 And we're supposed to ignore the fact that he irresponsibly plowed into a woman and pushed her into fucking traffic and killed her. 1.00

02:21:51.000 Was he on his phone? 0.99

02:21:52.000 He was not paying attention.

02:21:53.000 He rear-ended with a truck, a giant Escalade that was pulling a boat.

02:21:57.000 So he had all this weight, right?

02:21:59.000 He slams in this woman's car, pushes her into traffic, and she gets hit by an oncoming car.

02:22:04.000 And, you know, we're supposed to be like, listen, diversity is what's important here and not a woman's life. 1.00

02:22:09.000 What's important here is that he has the right to express himself.

02:22:12.000 Exactly!

02:22:12.000 Everybody just drops it.

02:22:14.000 Everybody drops it and exonerates him. 1.00

02:22:16.000 I'm not saying you should be punished forever for being careless, but I'm saying that's a significant indicator of someone having a fucked up personality. 0.98

02:22:23.000 That all you want to do in these talks, you're talking about gender and yourself. 1.00

02:22:27.000 You fucking killed somebody in traffic, man. 0.99

02:22:29.000 You should be talking about that life-changing moment all the time. 1.00

02:22:34.000 I say, man, you know, like, dude.

02:22:36.000 You could say, hey, guy.

02:22:37.000 You can't say that to a girl, can you? 0.99

02:22:39.000 She killed someone. 1.00

02:22:40.000 Fucking goddammit, I'm tired of doing that. 1.00

02:22:42.000 I'm tired of this he-she switcheroo. 1.00

02:22:45.000 You got one for life, you fuck! 1.00

02:22:47.000 Can I ask you a question? 1.00

02:22:49.000 When you're 30, you have to make a choice.

02:22:51.000 Right.

02:22:53.000 Hey! 0.99

02:22:53.000 What are you, mini-Putin? 0.99

02:22:54.000 You could be whatever the fuck you want up until 30. Once you hit 30, you gotta shit or get off the pot. 1.00

02:22:58.000 Who are you? 1.00

02:22:59.000 Can I... Is dwarf... 0.99

02:23:02.000 Midgets. 0.89

02:23:02.000 Tiny people. 0.89

02:23:03.000 Is midget and dwarf both of those are bad words?

02:23:05.000 I can't you say dwarf anymore?

02:23:06.000 No, you're not supposed to say midget.

02:23:08.000 Midget, you can't say. 0.98

02:23:09.000 Dwarf-ism is an actual disease. 0.99

02:23:11.000 So I can say dwarf? 0.55

02:23:12.000 I think they all prefer little people. 1.00

02:23:15.000 Again, we have too many fucking labels. 0.99

02:23:17.000 There's too many labels. 1.00

02:23:18.000 But dwarf is a funnier word if I'm writing a joke. 1.00

02:23:20.000 Don't do it.

02:23:21.000 Don't do dwarf jokes.

02:23:22.000 No, I don't. 0.94

02:23:22.000 You're too handsome and tall and you're gifted and you have white privilege. 0.94

02:23:25.000 I don't want to make fun of anybody who's anybody.

02:23:27.000 Of course you do.

02:23:28.000 I never got off on that.

02:23:28.000 It's important to make fun of people.

02:23:30.000 They need to know they're ridiculous. 0.98

02:23:31.000 But only if it's like their behavior. 0.99

02:23:33.000 Yes.

02:23:34.000 Not their genetics.

02:23:35.000 Especially not dwarfism. 1.00

02:23:36.000 That's a motherfucker. 1.00

02:23:37.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:23:38.000 You know, I'm only like a foot away from dwarfism.

02:23:40.000 There's several people that are a foot taller than me.

02:23:42.000 I'm 5'8".

02:23:43.000 There's 6'8", a lot of people out there.

02:23:45.000 Yeah.

02:23:45.000 If I was a foot shorter, I'm a dwarf.

02:23:48.000 I walk around with Brennan Schaub.

02:23:49.000 Yeah, you feel like a dwarf, right?

02:23:50.000 Not only that, I feel like an old guy.

02:23:51.000 You know, it hurts my feelings because women look at him and I could be a cup of coffee a lot of times.

02:23:56.000 A cup of coffee.

02:23:56.000 A cup of coffee is nice.

02:23:57.000 I may as well be a spore.

02:23:59.000 I like a cup of coffee.

02:23:59.000 I'm like a mushroom he's holding.

02:24:01.000 I'm like a potted plant he's holding as he's walking down. 1.00

02:24:03.000 They could give a fuck about the potted plant. 0.99

02:24:05.000 I used to be kind of cute. 0.99

02:24:07.000 Let it go.

02:24:08.000 Tate Fletcher says a cup of coffee is like a warm hug.

02:24:10.000 You've got to let it go.

02:24:11.000 Look, there's a lot of people that never got to be handsome.

02:24:13.000 You were handsome for a long time.

02:24:14.000 I sure was.

02:24:15.000 I'm still kind of alright.

02:24:17.000 You're alright.

02:24:18.000 Listen, you're funny.

02:24:19.000 You're a funny guy.

02:24:20.000 You've got a great mind.

02:24:22.000 Sense of humor.

02:24:22.000 Yeah, you're really fun to hang out.

02:24:23.000 I like going camping with you.

02:24:25.000 We gotta do another hunting trip, dude.

02:24:27.000 When?

02:24:27.000 Last one was boring!

02:24:29.000 I haven't shot my bow yet.

02:24:30.000 Without you!

02:24:30.000 It wasn't boring.

02:24:31.000 I had a great time, but not as good.

02:24:32.000 Come on, man.

02:24:33.000 You gotta bring me along.

02:24:34.000 I gotta bring you.

02:24:35.000 But you gotta learn how to shoot a bow and arrow or we'll have to go use rifles.

02:24:37.000 I will!

02:24:38.000 We'll use rifles.

02:24:39.000 How about this?

02:24:40.000 How about next hunting trip?

02:24:41.000 I'll go with you and I won't even shoot anything because the last couple of them, you've been unsuccessful.

02:24:46.000 I'll go and just be your backup.

02:24:48.000 Listen, man.

02:24:48.000 Listen.

02:24:49.000 Carry your ammunition.

02:24:51.000 I'll be your porter.

02:24:53.000 I would like to hold an umbrella for the entire show.

02:24:57.000 Like P. Diddy's assistant.

02:24:58.000 More water, please.

02:24:59.000 That would be a fun show.

02:25:01.000 It would be fantastic.

02:25:02.000 My boy can make us some tea.

02:25:04.000 That would be a fun show.

02:25:06.000 We'll have some tea and biscuits.

02:25:06.000 It's four o'clock in the afternoon.

02:25:08.000 And it would be fair, because I shot that turkey, and then you got nothing.

02:25:11.000 Yeah.

02:25:12.000 And before that, we got skunked on that island.

02:25:15.000 Outrageous.

02:25:15.000 Soaking wet for six days.

02:25:17.000 Hey, Ranello, let's go.

02:25:18.000 We need another hunting trip.

02:25:20.000 I love doing them.

02:25:21.000 Let's do it.

02:25:21.000 Alright.

02:25:22.000 I'm bringing on James Kingston now.

02:25:24.000 We're going to do another podcast in a couple minutes.

02:25:25.000 Are you going to stick around for a few minutes and talk to this guy?

02:25:27.000 Daddy's got to run.

02:25:28.000 Daddy's got to go. 1.00

02:25:29.000 James Kingston, who's the guy who's crazy, who gets on top of buildings with GoPros and shit and makes you shit your pants. 1.00

02:25:35.000 He's on his way. 1.00

02:25:36.000 Come see me.

02:25:37.000 Come see me at the Algonquin.

02:25:38.000 You're a force of nature.

02:25:39.000 You're an American tradition.

02:25:41.000 I'm an American comedian.

02:25:43.000 Ottawa.

02:25:44.000 Algonquin.

02:25:44.000 September 30th.

02:25:45.000 One of God's gifts.

02:25:47.000 Go see him.

02:25:47.000 Yes.

02:25:48.000 Goddamn hilarious. 0.98

02:25:49.000 Love you. 0.94

The Joe Rogan Experience - September 20, 2016

Joe Rogan Experience #848 - Bryan Callen

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