The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #878 - Aubrey Marcus

00:00:01.000 Let's get it on!

00:00:05.000 Yee-haw! 1.00

00:00:07.000 What's up, dude?

00:00:08.000 What's going on, man?

00:00:09.000 What's going on in your shirt?

00:00:09.000 What is that?

00:00:10.000 Got a lot going on there.

00:00:11.000 Oh, yeah.

00:00:11.000 It's like a penguin with shark teeth.

00:00:13.000 This is my homage to Albert Hoffman and the creation of LSD. Oh, wow.

00:00:18.000 In shirt form.

00:00:19.000 Oh, wow, that's Hoffman.

00:00:20.000 It's Hoffman.

00:00:20.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

00:00:21.000 And then you use all these crazy animal parts for squares.

00:00:24.000 Mm-hmm.

00:00:25.000 And a full garden blowing out of his head. 1.00

00:00:27.000 Did you know that a roadrunner can eat a fucking rattlesnake? 1.00

00:00:31.000 I didn't, but that's gangster. 0.99

00:00:32.000 There's a video of it.

00:00:34.000 Somebody tweeted it to me the other day.

00:00:35.000 I'm like, there's no way this is real, but it's 100% real. 0.99

00:00:38.000 Roadrunner hunts and kills a fucking rattlesnake and then eats it. 0.99

00:00:42.000 And it's eating this thing like it's way bigger than it. 1.00

00:00:44.000 And it's just trying to swallow it.

00:00:47.000 Like, you have no idea how gangster birds are.

00:00:50.000 Maybe that Roadrunner identifies as a pterodactyl.

00:00:52.000 Maybe he does.

00:00:53.000 Check this out.

00:00:54.000 Watch this.

00:00:55.000 First of all, when you really get a good...

00:00:57.000 I mean, you look at him from a distance.

00:00:58.000 Hi, you little bird.

00:00:59.000 You're little.

00:00:59.000 I'm not worried about you.

00:01:00.000 When you look at him close up like this in this high-resolution photography, you realize how fucking predatory these birds are. 0.99

00:01:08.000 Like, look, the snake takes a lunge at him. 1.00

00:01:11.000 He's like, nah, bitch, not today. 1.00

00:01:12.000 Snap! 1.00

00:01:13.000 Gets him right on top of the fucking head. 1.00

00:01:15.000 And look how he does him in. 1.00

00:01:17.000 He smashes his head against the rocks, man.

00:01:20.000 Yeah, when people discovered that dinosaurs were probably birds, that's even more terrifying.

00:01:26.000 I 100% believe it.

00:01:28.000 I've told you the story about my chickens, right?

00:01:31.000 With feeding the mice.

00:01:32.000 Uh-huh.

00:01:33.000 Dude, it's really, the whole thing is really bizarre because it just shows you how, like, people have these attachments to a certain species for no reason.

00:01:44.000 Like, uh, Steve Rinello talks about it with bears.

00:01:46.000 He calls them charismatic megafauna.

00:01:49.000 That there's something about...

00:01:50.000 Steve's so eloquent.

00:01:52.000 You know when he's uh He's there's he's right though.

00:01:55.000 There's like something about bears that makes them very different in our eyes than any other animal and birds They have these hierarchies.

00:02:02.000 So this hawk flew into my fence.

00:02:04.000 I have a glass fence. 0.99

00:02:06.000 Hawk didn't know what the fuck was going on. 0.99

00:02:08.000 BOOM! KO'd. 1.00

00:02:09.000 Jacked.

00:02:10.000 My daughters rescued the bird and then they go to the pet store and buy little pinkies which are these little tiny mice and And they feed them to the hawk.

00:02:19.000 So they feed this little tiny mouse.

00:02:21.000 They decide that the mouse is not as important as the hawk.

00:02:24.000 The hawk has to stay alive. 1.00

00:02:25.000 Fuck these little baby mice. 1.00

00:02:26.000 So they feed the baby mice to the hawk. 1.00

00:02:28.000 He eats all of them but one.

00:02:30.000 My daughter wants to keep it. 0.99

00:02:31.000 I say, you can't keep it.

00:02:32.000 It's gonna die.

00:02:32.000 It needs to have milk.

00:02:35.000 I'll just feed it to the chickens. 0.88

00:02:36.000 So there's a lot of hemming and hawing, a lot of crying. 1.00

00:02:39.000 Everybody wants the mouse to stay alive after you just fed 30 of them to this fucking dinosaur. 0.99

00:02:43.000 But it's a majestic hawk. 1.00

00:02:45.000 It's a flying monster.

00:02:47.000 And so I bring it into the chicken coop.

00:02:49.000 And I mean, I put that thing on the ground for not even one half of one second, and they were tearing it apart and running around with it.

00:02:56.000 They're monsters.

00:02:58.000 Yeah.

00:02:58.000 That roadrunner thing just confirms it.

00:03:00.000 I have 100% new respect for birds now.

00:03:03.000 Yeah.

00:03:03.000 I think it is interesting how people...

00:03:06.000 But you think about bears, right?

00:03:08.000 And people have loved bears since way, way back before, like, teddy bears and stuff.

00:03:14.000 You know, before there was the internet and these different things.

00:03:17.000 There's just certain animals that you have this kinship towards and certain, like, sacred animals when you're down in the jungle and different places that always seem to inspire something within mankind.

00:03:27.000 Yeah, and I don't know why it is, but I think I just sort of accept it now.

00:03:32.000 Like, I don't feel the same way about bears as I do about deer.

00:03:35.000 Like, I think deer are wild and they're cool and I love that they exist, but I have a much more predatory feeling around them than I do around bears.

00:03:44.000 Bears are like this weird thing.

00:03:46.000 Oh, you can eat them too?

00:03:48.000 You know?

00:03:48.000 Yeah.

00:03:49.000 You know, it's just, it doesn't have the same feeling.

00:03:51.000 And as an animal...

00:03:53.000 There's this insane reality of what they are.

00:03:58.000 This enormous wild dog thing that can kill you. 0.85

00:04:03.000 And some of them are just giants. 0.84

00:04:05.000 Just gigantic wild dog thing that can kill you. 1.00

00:04:08.000 And we love them.

00:04:10.000 I remember sitting in the, obviously we were out there with the bears, just sitting there in the woods and watching them screw around.

00:04:15.000 It's something different, for sure.

00:04:17.000 At least, you know, especially too when they're kind of looking at you.

00:04:20.000 Like the connection of looking at the bear and the bear looking at you, I think is different.

00:04:25.000 Yeah, it's different than when a deer looks at you. 1.00

00:04:26.000 A deer looks at you like, what the fuck, what the fuck are you doing? 1.00

00:04:29.000 Exactly. 1.00

00:04:30.000 And the bear looks at you like, hey man.

00:04:32.000 Yeah, that's what it is.

00:04:34.000 That's what it is.

00:04:35.000 It's like a different whole thought cycle.

00:04:37.000 I sometimes think of thoughts like the small wheel and the big wheel.

00:04:40.000 It's almost like bears are just on that slightly bigger wheel like us.

00:04:43.000 That's what it is, right?

00:04:46.000 That's got to be a big part of what it is.

00:04:48.000 We almost inherently recognize that they have a level of understanding that's above the undulates. 1.00

00:04:55.000 There's something about those omnivores.

00:04:57.000 There's a level, especially them, there's a level of understanding.

00:05:01.000 But...

00:05:02.000 At the end of the day, if you see how they behave, especially about grizzly bears that I got out of that Grizzly Man movie, is they're so almost robotic in their predatory drive, in their drive to survive, their survival drive.

00:05:17.000 They're just moving around looking for stuff to eat all the time.

00:05:21.000 They're so big.

00:05:22.000 You have to eat so much when you're that big.

00:05:26.000 But the advantage is instead of hiding all of the food that you need for the winter like a squirrel, you eat and eat and eat and nobody's going to take your food from you because it's your fat.

00:05:36.000 It's on your body.

00:05:37.000 Like the only way to get that fat is to fight the bear and nobody wants to fight the bear.

00:05:41.000 So they can survive the winter a whole different way.

00:05:44.000 It's just a cool way to approach it.

00:05:46.000 A bizarre way.

00:05:47.000 It's so fascinating when you see all the different methods that nature's figured out to sort of overcome the obstacles that the environment can throw at you.

00:05:57.000 There's animals that can survive.

00:05:58.000 I was in the ocean.

00:06:00.000 Recently, we're snorkeling, and I'm looking around at all these turtles and all these fish, and I'm like, they live here! 0.99

00:06:06.000 They fucking live here! 0.97

00:06:07.000 I mean, I can only stick my head under there for a few seconds. 1.00

00:06:10.000 I come up, I gotta spray water out of the top of the nozzle.

00:06:14.000 There's a living thing surviving in there.

00:06:17.000 Like, life has found a bunch of weird, weird ways to get along.

00:06:22.000 And a bear is one of the weirdest ones. 0.99

00:06:24.000 They just get fat as fuck. 0.99

00:06:26.000 They get big, round, and jelly. 1.00

00:06:28.000 And then they just take a nap. 1.00

00:06:30.000 Like, fuck this winter. 1.00

00:06:32.000 Fuck that! 1.00

00:06:33.000 I'm not stupid, bro. 1.00

00:06:35.000 What am I, a moose? 1.00

00:06:36.000 I'm gonna walk out there and freeze to death like an asshole? 1.00

00:06:39.000 No, I'm just gonna sleep. 1.00

00:06:41.000 The strategy involved in that is so much deeper than the strategy of all the other animals.

00:06:46.000 The other animals, that's one of the big things with, I guess, deer. 0.99

00:06:50.000 They fucking freeze to death, man. 0.99

00:06:52.000 That's how they wind up dying. 1.00

00:06:54.000 Yeah.

00:06:54.000 You wonder as that evolves, that whole hibernation pattern, if they're just taking little naps first when that's developing.

00:07:03.000 And then one bear sleeps two weeks and all the other bears are like, what the fuck, that was awesome. 0.95

00:07:09.000 And they just sleep a little bit longer all the time. 0.99

00:07:11.000 Yeah, how the fuck does that take place? 1.00

00:07:14.000 This is one of those really dumb, like, people who don't believe in evolution arguments. 1.00

00:07:19.000 You're telling me. 0.99

00:07:21.000 You're telling me that's not by design.

00:07:22.000 Come on, dude.

00:07:25.000 Because somebody who's posted a video, some guy posted a video, like an animated gif file of the flat, he was a flat earth guy, and it was just the earth, like a flat plane.

00:07:34.000 It wasn't even high resolution, it was like low resolution, it was flat, and he was like, show me again the curvature.

00:07:41.000 I'm like, oh my god, dude.

00:07:43.000 This is... 1.00

00:07:44.000 People are fucking crazy. 1.00

00:07:47.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:07:48.000 Well, I think that whole, people just want to get a leg up, you know, in everything you're doing, you're just trying to edge someone out. 0.95

00:07:55.000 So if you can believe in flat earth and it actually is flat earth, you got a little bit of leg up on everybody else who thinks this shit's a globe, right? 0.96

00:08:04.000 So they're willing to take that gambit. 1.00

00:08:06.000 They're willing to place that bet like, fuck it, man, I'm going in on flat earth because if I'm right, then I can say fuck you to everybody else just a little bit. 1.00

00:08:13.000 And that's the ego. 1.00

00:08:15.000 That is the ego.

00:08:16.000 All I have to do is watch a couple YouTube videos.

00:08:17.000 You'll be convinced.

00:08:20.000 If you don't do anything else other than that, that's the thing.

00:08:23.000 It's like Jordan Peterson talking about how we could all become a Nazi guard.

00:08:27.000 We could all believe in Flat Earth if we just stretched our mind a little bit and then a little bit more.

00:08:32.000 Yeah, I mean, maybe all is the wrong word for Nazi guard or Flat Earth, but I think they could get a lot of us.

00:08:40.000 They could get a lot of us. 0.93

00:08:42.000 I've told you the story about those fucking rod things that I thought were real. 0.99

00:08:45.000 I thought there was rods. 0.97

00:08:47.000 You ever heard of Roswell rods?

00:08:49.000 Those little, they're supposed to be insects that are flying through the sky so fast you can't even see them.

00:08:55.000 And the only way to pick them up is video cameras.

00:08:57.000 The only way to actually see them.

00:08:58.000 So they would find them on these videos.

00:09:01.000 Like, oh my god, we didn't even notice this at the time. 0.84

00:09:04.000 And they decided that there was these gigantic things that could be, you know, who knows how many feet long, and they're like jellyfish, and they fly through the air at like fucking light speed. 1.00

00:09:14.000 It's so stupid! 0.99

00:09:16.000 It turns out what it was is just an artifact when you film things. 1.00

00:09:20.000 When you film things with shitty old cameras and when they have new cameras, see that's the rod.

00:09:24.000 See that thing that looks like a twig? 0.88

00:09:26.000 That's what they look like.

00:09:27.000 And some of them you see way up in the sky.

00:09:30.000 It's just a bug that's flying so fast that the camera can't pick it up right.

00:09:34.000 So the camera makes it look like that.

00:09:35.000 Like that last one, Jamie?

00:09:37.000 Yeah, look at that.

00:09:38.000 See how it looks like it's almost like a jellyfish weaving through the air?

00:09:41.000 It's just a video artifact.

00:09:43.000 Or like a bat with a vapor trail.

00:09:45.000 That's really what it looks like to me.

00:09:46.000 Yeah, it does.

00:09:46.000 That's in that one.

00:09:47.000 Yeah, because that one's in front of the tree.

00:09:49.000 But sometimes you see them in the sky, so you don't have a sight of reference.

00:09:52.000 That one's interesting because it's in front of the tree.

00:09:55.000 The tree's just only a few yards away.

00:09:58.000 You can tell.

00:09:59.000 And if that rod thing's right in front of the tree, you can get a guesstimate on how big it is.

00:10:02.000 But a lot of the videos of them, they had them in the sky, just flying in the sky.

00:10:07.000 It's 16 feet long.

00:10:08.000 It's flying the speed of light.

00:10:10.000 I was in Sedona just having lunch. 0.99

00:10:13.000 And Sedona is a place where there's some cool shit and then there's a lot of wacky new age shit there. 0.99

00:10:19.000 And I was listening to this guy just talk about orbs, right? 0.99

00:10:23.000 Like these orbs that he was able to capture.

00:10:25.000 I've seen those.

00:10:26.000 On film.

00:10:28.000 And I've had orbs in photos and stuff.

00:10:31.000 All it is, it's the lens flare effect that creates...

00:10:34.000 I'm not super into the science of it, but I know that I can reproduce it.

00:10:38.000 If I create a lens flare in the thing, there's going to be an orb somewhere in the picture, right?

00:10:41.000 Right.

00:10:42.000 But the way they were describing it is like, this one...

00:10:45.000 If you go out at the right time at dawn in this special place, there will be orbs on the ground.

00:10:51.000 It's like where they gather. 0.98

00:10:52.000 I'm like, no, bitch, it's the sun coming up. 1.00

00:10:55.000 And every time it creates a lens flare in your camera. 0.99

00:10:58.000 I would love it if it was that, though.

00:11:00.000 Why such a party pooper?

00:11:03.000 Wouldn't it be amazing if you could find balls of light around you, little organisms or life forms, and if you were more loving, they surrounded you, and you just had to take a picture of people and tell whether or not, oh my god, it's This dude's awesome.

00:11:17.000 Look.

00:11:17.000 Like the seeds from Awa.

00:11:18.000 Just kind of like floating around.

00:11:20.000 All of a sudden you're really in the zone.

00:11:22.000 They're all just floating all around you.

00:11:24.000 Yeah.

00:11:24.000 It'd be amazing.

00:11:25.000 I would deal with that if the only way to see it was a camera.

00:11:28.000 Right?

00:11:29.000 Yeah.

00:11:29.000 I'll tell you, man.

00:11:30.000 Eddie Bravo had one picture once.

00:11:32.000 It was Eddie Bravo with a bunch of orbs around him.

00:11:34.000 And he had his hands open like this.

00:11:36.000 And the biggest orb was in his hands. 1.00

00:11:38.000 And I said, damn. 0.99

00:11:40.000 Imagine if we're all just... 0.99

00:11:42.000 Imagine if we're all just super skeptical and we're ignoring something. 0.97

00:11:47.000 What if they're fucking real? 0.94

00:11:48.000 Oh, it's just a camera artifact. 0.99

00:11:50.000 It's reproducible.

00:11:51.000 You can go back.

00:11:52.000 Okay.

00:11:53.000 Are you sure?

00:11:54.000 Well, that's...

00:11:55.000 I mean, it's kind of like once you've done enough ayahuasca and done enough DMT, though, then you open yourself up to the possibility that there are things potentially outside of our ability to perceive them.

00:12:06.000 That's Eddie right there.

00:12:07.000 Like, look...

00:12:09.000 It's like he's holding it.

00:12:10.000 It's like you got high enough to see it before it happens.

00:12:13.000 Meanwhile, his girlfriend's spitting on the camera.

00:12:16.000 Trying to get some orbs going.

00:12:18.000 Like, could you recreate orbs with spit? 0.99

00:12:22.000 But look, if you were going to believe in orbs, that would be, I mean, shit. 0.99

00:12:27.000 That would be the one that I'd go with. 1.00

00:12:29.000 For sure.

00:12:30.000 He's got it in his hand.

00:12:31.000 You can see it.

00:12:31.000 It's clearly balancing in his center, his love.

00:12:35.000 It would be the shit if it was real. 1.00

00:12:37.000 It's like all these things would be the shit if they were real. 1.00

00:12:39.000 Like there's some UFO videos over Turkey, and I saw it. 0.99

00:12:42.000 I didn't even click.

00:12:42.000 I didn't even click on it.

00:12:43.000 That's how blasé I've gotten about the UFO ordeal.

00:12:46.000 I don't believe you anymore.

00:12:49.000 I'm not clicking on it.

00:12:50.000 Yeah.

00:12:51.000 But I would love it if it was real.

00:12:53.000 Wow.

00:12:53.000 That's the weird thing about real, right?

00:12:56.000 It's like when you go see something with such a vivid imagination, especially in the psychedelic space, you see something and then there's that debate.

00:13:06.000 Is that real?

00:13:07.000 And then if enough people have seen it or enough people believe in it, like dragons, for example, are they real or not?

00:13:15.000 Well, they're clearly not in the 3D space, but everybody knows and has emotional reactions to this one being and they come to you in vision.

00:13:22.000 So, what is that?

00:13:23.000 Is a dragon real?

00:13:24.000 Well, what's your definition of real?

00:13:26.000 You know, like, is it the collection of an idea in your brain, all of the lights gathering around that you can share and reproduce, and then that thing comes through like an archetype into your brain?

00:13:37.000 Like, it's really interesting.

00:13:39.000 Is that what you think dragons are?

00:13:39.000 You think they're archetypes?

00:13:40.000 I think so.

00:13:40.000 I mean, there's so many of them, right?

00:13:42.000 There's the Chinese dragon, the Japanese dragon, the gothic dragon, you know, the medieval-look dragon.

00:13:49.000 How many different ones are there?

00:13:50.000 Tons of dragons.

00:13:51.000 If you had a guess.

00:13:52.000 Infinite dragons.

00:13:54.000 Slight variations on the dragons.

00:13:56.000 That's the thing.

00:13:58.000 It is an archetypal being.

00:14:00.000 I've seen them.

00:14:00.000 They've come to me many, many times.

00:14:02.000 Always.

00:14:02.000 And it seems to be they're the being of ultimate power.

00:14:05.000 Like a being of supreme power.

00:14:07.000 And that's the archetype that it recommends.

00:14:08.000 There's no animal in the animal hierarchy that trumps the dragon.

00:14:12.000 Right.

00:14:12.000 He shows up.

00:14:13.000 Everybody shuts the fuck up. 0.98

00:14:14.000 Exactly. 1.00

00:14:15.000 He comes flying in with fire coming out of his face.

00:14:18.000 Everybody just settles down.

00:14:20.000 Yeah.

00:14:20.000 A giant flying lizard that can blow fire.

00:14:23.000 Yeah.

00:14:24.000 So it represents that kind of power.

00:14:26.000 My tattoo artist actually had a cool thing.

00:14:28.000 He's like, I never tattoo a dragon snarling because no dragon would ever need to snarl.

00:14:34.000 Like, there's nothing he would...

00:14:35.000 There's nothing a dragon would ever roar at.

00:14:38.000 I gotta check my dragon.

00:14:39.000 He's kind of snarling. 0.99

00:14:41.000 Because it is that being of fucking supreme power. 0.98

00:14:45.000 It's a strange thing that there's so many different cultures that have sort of captured that. 0.99

00:14:50.000 And you've got to wonder...

00:14:52.000 How many different things are we missing from the fossil record?

00:14:56.000 We know if birds exist.

00:14:58.000 Who knows how many things existed that we just haven't found yet. 0.98

00:15:02.000 It's entirely possible that some weird fucking lizard existed at some part of the world and people could see it. 0.96

00:15:09.000 You know, some weird snake thing that walked. 0.98

00:15:12.000 And then the legend spread of that, and then people saw a bunch of different giant lizards.

00:15:17.000 Like, if you saw a Komodo dragon, if you were just wandering through the jungle and you saw a full-size Komodo dragon and it had its mouth open, you would for sure think you were in the presence of a demon.

00:15:26.000 If you ran away from that, right, no cameras, right?

00:15:29.000 No cameras.

00:15:30.000 You gotta take things from your imagination and draw them for people.

00:15:33.000 What are you gonna draw? 1.00

00:15:34.000 You're gonna draw a goddamn demon. 1.00

00:15:36.000 A hissing giant lizard with saliva coated in botulism. 1.00

00:15:41.000 Those are horrible monsters, man. 1.00

00:15:44.000 Those are fucking ruthless, ruthless, predatory lizards. 1.00

00:15:49.000 Giant lizards. 1.00

00:15:50.000 And you would draw them.

00:15:52.000 They would have wings.

00:15:54.000 I mean, if you were just a primitive person and you ran into one of those things, if you ran into a Nile crocodile, Jesus Christ!

00:16:01.000 I put a video up of one jack and a vulture. 1.00

00:16:03.000 Did you see that shit? 1.00

00:16:05.000 This vulture fucked up and got too close to this lake. 1.00

00:16:08.000 They jack everything, except for the hippo. 1.00

00:16:10.000 Don't see the crocodiles jacking the hippo.

00:16:12.000 No.

00:16:12.000 Hippos are the ultimate jackers.

00:16:14.000 They stay clean.

00:16:15.000 Look how he gets them.

00:16:16.000 Look at this. 1.00

00:16:16.000 He's just boom, bitch! 1.00

00:16:18.000 Just out of nowhere. 1.00

00:16:19.000 Get the fuck out of here. 0.99

00:16:20.000 Boom! 1.00

00:16:21.000 Give me that chicken. 0.73

00:16:22.000 Just jumps right back in there with him.

00:16:24.000 Oh, right under the water.

00:16:25.000 What a creepy animal.

00:16:27.000 Lives in this place where you can't see it at all.

00:16:30.000 It's brown water. 1.00

00:16:32.000 Fucking brown water. 1.00

00:16:34.000 And they can hide in three feet of that shit for like hours. 1.00

00:16:37.000 They don't have to come up. 1.00

00:16:38.000 And they just hear the vibrations, they know where you are, and they just jump up and jack you.

00:16:44.000 I think so much of the way that we developed was to try and avoid that situation. 1.00

00:16:50.000 Fuck yeah! 1.00

00:16:51.000 Our soft bodies, you know, all of this brain activity that we have, so much of it you have to credit towards avoiding that exact fucking monster. 1.00

00:16:59.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:17:00.000 Well, hence the stereotypes that the stronger the person, the dumber the person. 1.00

00:17:05.000 If you have time to make all that muscle, bitch, you ain't got time to read any books. 1.00

00:17:10.000 You're not learning. 1.00

00:17:12.000 That soft dude over there, he's going to save us. 0.98

00:17:15.000 That dude's over there doing physics and shit, trying to figure out how to make swords. 0.97

00:17:18.000 Your bench press will not help the asteroid collision. 0.97

00:17:22.000 Yeah, that's going to be a big one.

00:17:24.000 That was the creepiest podcast we did last week.

00:17:27.000 For sure. 0.61

00:17:27.000 Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson freak me the fuck out again. 0.61

00:17:31.000 It's too easy to not think. 0.64

00:17:34.000 It's too easy to just not think about the variables.

00:17:37.000 Too easy to not pay attention to the fact that we really are just a species that's clinging to a spaceship without a roof.

00:17:44.000 That we're just clinging to this circular orb as it spins a thousand miles an hour and hurls through infinitor.

00:17:52.000 We're just hanging out on it.

00:17:54.000 And we don't want to think about it.

00:17:56.000 It's too crazy. 0.99

00:17:58.000 Yeah, the depressing part of that whole cataclysm particularly is we got all these fucking nuclear reactors everywhere. 0.91

00:18:06.000 So like one goes off and then those things get all disrupted and then the nuclear radiation is the big issue that you have to worry about, right? 0.90

00:18:13.000 Do you see what they did to Chernobyl?

00:18:15.000 They created a dome that's two football fields long.

00:18:20.000 It's gigantic.

00:18:21.000 And they're going to encase the entire enclosure.

00:18:24.000 Just plop the astrodome of lead on there.

00:18:26.000 Yeah, that's what it looks like.

00:18:28.000 It's huge.

00:18:29.000 It's a crazy engineering undertaking.

00:18:31.000 If you look at it, you go, what?

00:18:34.000 You just have to imagine what kind of resources and how many brains were involved.

00:18:38.000 Look at this thing. 0.99

00:18:39.000 They're going to lift this fucking thing up. 0.99

00:18:42.000 Over the dome. 0.99

00:18:43.000 This is enormous.

00:18:45.000 They have these designs for it.

00:18:46.000 They show the fully competed thing.

00:18:49.000 Fully completed.

00:18:50.000 What does it say?

00:18:51.000 There are 30 countries that are involved in this?

00:18:54.000 Wow.

00:18:55.000 Yeah.

00:18:55.000 Yeah, I think, I mean, the key is we got to elevate consciousness to a point where we're actually looking at these situations and being able, and I think that's the point that Graham and Randall make, and I couldn't agree more.

00:19:05.000 Like, people have to be at a level where we can actually do something about that instead of fighting with each other.

00:19:13.000 You're 100% right.

00:19:14.000 Look at that image.

00:19:14.000 That's what it's going to look like.

00:19:16.000 They're just going to drop that down over the site.

00:19:18.000 Like, what?

00:19:20.000 Jesus Christ, that's big.

00:19:21.000 That's so big.

00:19:23.000 It's so crazy how big it is.

00:19:25.000 Look how thick it is.

00:19:26.000 That's insane. 0.99

00:19:27.000 I mean, what the fuck does that weigh? 0.96

00:19:30.000 And the weird part is it just feels to me that it's not fully gonna work. 0.98

00:19:33.000 It's just like putting like a Tupperware over a fart, you know?

00:19:38.000 Like, are you gonna get the whole fart in the Tupperware?

00:19:41.000 I doubt it.

00:19:41.000 I think the fart's out there.

00:19:44.000 Shane Smith went down there, and he was in Chernobyl, and they were hunting these wolves.

00:19:50.000 They're these radioactive wolves. 0.99

00:19:52.000 I'm like, what the fuck are you doing? 1.00

00:19:54.000 That's a Ninja Turtles episode, for sure. 0.99

00:19:55.000 I know!

00:19:56.000 I was like, what are you talking about?

00:19:57.000 He's like, all these animals that live around that area, they're all radioactive.

00:20:01.000 I'm like, oh my god.

00:20:03.000 It just hulks out and turns green.

00:20:05.000 Well, they probably are experiencing some mutations.

00:20:08.000 There was some viral video that was going around the internet that was saying that these are fish that lived near Chernobyl.

00:20:14.000 It showed these just enormous, crazy fish sloughing around this little river. 0.99

00:20:18.000 And that was the vibe, but apparently that's bullshit. 0.94

00:20:21.000 Apparently they're just giant catfish or something like that that just do exist in some spot. 0.98

00:20:26.000 They're not radioactive.

00:20:27.000 That is deep in our psyche, though, that idea that radioactive matter is going to turn something into some amorphous new thing.

00:20:35.000 Yeah, and it's always bad, except in comic books, if you're a dude.

00:20:40.000 If you're a dude, it always works out well.

00:20:42.000 You always become Spider-Man or the Hulk or, you know.

00:20:45.000 You just got to pick the animal you go into that radioactive soup with.

00:20:48.000 That's true, too.

00:20:49.000 That's the key.

00:20:50.000 Yeah.

00:20:51.000 Yeah, you gotta get a good deal like the stretchy guy.

00:20:53.000 What's the guy?

00:20:53.000 Yeah.

00:20:54.000 And the Avengers?

00:20:55.000 Not the Avengers.

00:20:56.000 The Fantastic Four?

00:20:57.000 Stretchy guy? 1.00

00:20:58.000 That's a shit fucking superpower. 1.00

00:21:00.000 Nope. 1.00

00:21:00.000 That is shit. 1.00

00:21:01.000 Oh, you get to bend? 1.00

00:21:03.000 People get to stretch you out like Taffy? 1.00

00:21:05.000 Oh, fucking where do I sign up? 0.99

00:21:08.000 You gotta go in with a roadrunner, for sure. 1.00

00:21:10.000 Well, he's got a guy next to him that turns into fire. 1.00

00:21:12.000 Like, what the fuck? 1.00

00:21:14.000 This guy can turn into fire and fly through the fucking air. 1.00

00:21:17.000 All I can do is stretch? 1.00

00:21:19.000 That is the most bullshit superpower of all time. 1.00

00:21:24.000 He can stretch. 1.00

00:21:26.000 He makes his arms go into circles.

00:21:29.000 He could turn him into a figure eight.

00:21:30.000 Like, what?

00:21:31.000 I don't know.

00:21:32.000 I fought with Dawson in Street Fighter, and his stretchy ability was definitely helpful.

00:21:36.000 Does he have stretchy ability in Street Fighter?

00:21:38.000 Yeah.

00:21:38.000 He can push both his arms out like that.

00:21:41.000 And they go way in front of you? 0.90

00:21:42.000 Smash you in the leg. 1.00

00:21:42.000 Just straight double dick punch. 1.00

00:21:44.000 And then he's got the foot, like a long-ass front kick. 1.00

00:21:48.000 Take someone out of the sky.

00:21:49.000 I'm proud to say I can't name any of the characters in Street Fighter, nor can I tell you what they do.

00:21:55.000 I don't know anything about that.

00:21:56.000 I played that a couple of times. 1.00

00:21:57.000 I was like, this is bullshit. 1.00

00:21:58.000 Oh man, that hit me right in the sweet spot. 1.00

00:22:00.000 I couldn't ignore it.

00:22:02.000 I was just at that age, you know, where you have all the testosterone brewing, but the frustration because you're little and you couldn't beat anybody up.

00:22:09.000 Right.

00:22:09.000 So you just play something in a video game.

00:22:11.000 Then you can beat everybody up if you're that avatar.

00:22:13.000 I wonder how many fights have been started from Street Fighter.

00:22:16.000 Like if there was like a running tally.

00:22:18.000 Do you know what I mean?

00:22:19.000 Like McDonald's has how many burgers sold.

00:22:21.000 How many fights started by a game of Street Fighter?

00:22:25.000 Less than Madden.

00:22:26.000 For sure less than Madden.

00:22:27.000 Probably, right?

00:22:27.000 Because I see people playing that and it often ends in fights.

00:22:30.000 Yeah, that should be a whole YouTube channel.

00:22:32.000 Like Madden Street Fights.

00:22:35.000 They should come with some gloves. 0.99

00:22:37.000 Dudes fucking love their football, man. 0.99

00:22:40.000 I listen to Bill Burr's podcast and sometimes he'll go like an hour just talking about football. 0.99

00:22:45.000 And they fucking told us we couldn't do it. 0.97

00:22:51.000 Who are they? 0.99

00:22:52.000 Who told you?

00:22:53.000 Yeah, us is the funny thing, too, because that's, again, the identity playing this trick.

00:22:58.000 It's that lust for tribalism that we all have.

00:23:01.000 We want to be part of a tribe.

00:23:03.000 Oh, that team is our tribe.

00:23:04.000 And you'll fight for it, and you'll feel shitty about it, and you'll feel elated about it.

00:23:09.000 It makes the games interesting, but it also opens you up to a weird spectrum of emotion.

00:23:14.000 Yeah, that kind of pride for your neighborhood, for your town, for your state, all that gets weird.

00:23:21.000 Yeah.

00:23:21.000 Till you get to America.

00:23:23.000 That's where we cross the fucking line, boy. 1.00

00:23:25.000 America! 1.00

00:23:26.000 You better be proud.

00:23:28.000 Better be proud from here.

00:23:29.000 Donald Trump says he's gonna put people in jail for a year if they burn the flag.

00:23:33.000 Here's what's hilarious.

00:23:35.000 Hillary Clinton proposed this in 2005. I didn't know that.

00:23:39.000 Somebody tweeted that to me on Twitter.

00:23:42.000 I think they're having an affair.

00:23:44.000 They've probably been banging it out the whole time.

00:23:46.000 They're like, either way, we win.

00:23:48.000 Yeah.

00:23:48.000 That's what's been going on.

00:23:49.000 All those little shitty, little catty remarks, you know? 0.98

00:23:52.000 Yep. 0.99

00:23:52.000 That's what lovers say to each other. 0.99

00:23:53.000 That's exactly right.

00:23:54.000 When they're getting nasty with each other.

00:23:56.000 Mm-hmm.

00:23:57.000 And then they'll make out later. 1.00

00:23:59.000 You ever tell me you're fucking deplorable? 1.00

00:24:00.000 Mm, deplorable. 1.00

00:24:02.000 A basket with a bucket of deplorables?

00:24:04.000 What was it?

00:24:05.000 People just jumped on it.

00:24:07.000 They've been the worst at creating memes and stuff and the worst at They were the worst at coming up with campaign thoughts.

00:24:20.000 There was just too many things going on with that election where it was just like, wow, you guys are not that good at this.

00:24:27.000 I'm with her.

00:24:28.000 Don't say I'm with her.

00:24:30.000 Jesus Christ.

00:24:32.000 How obvious are we making it that we're just voting for a chick? 0.98

00:24:35.000 How obvious?

00:24:37.000 Well, it's more than that.

00:24:38.000 It's more than that.

00:24:41.000 Man, everything is getting squirrely.

00:24:44.000 And I think one of the most brilliant parts of Jordan Peterson's podcast yesterday was that he identified in his mind, and I tend to agree with him, that one of the reasons why things are getting so squirrely is we've removed the metaphysical underpinnings behind our understandings of everything.

00:24:58.000 And so, like all of this social justice and all these pronouns, I think a lot of that is that we've removed the metaphysical understanding of self.

00:25:08.000 And so if you really don't understand who your self is, then you really can't have self-love, self-worth, self-confidence, because it's all built on something else.

00:25:17.000 And that surrogate for self that they create is identity.

00:25:21.000 Who you are, what pronoun you are, what tribe you identify with, what you do, what your race is, and then all of these parts of identity, which really have absolutely nothing to do with self in the metaphysical sense.

00:25:35.000 Become the thing that you defend.

00:25:36.000 You defend that thing as if it is yourself, but it's not.

00:25:40.000 And I think that's, you know, one of the paths that I've taken is to understand those metaphysical underpinnings.

00:25:46.000 Like, understand what the self is rather than just trying to work on self-worth and self-confidence and self-love. 0.97

00:25:54.000 Well, you gotta fucking first understand the self. 0.94

00:25:56.000 He was a deep dude, Ben. 0.98

00:25:58.000 The stuff that he was saying about religion About the need for this understanding of good and evil and how it plays out and to stay on that balance of good and evil and to live, you know, what he was talking about, a true life.

00:26:14.000 Really fascinating because it was one of those things where he's thinking at an extremely high level.

00:26:20.000 And so when you're following him, you have to be sure, am I following him?

00:26:24.000 Am I really getting what he's saying here?

00:26:26.000 You know, because he's talking about Being someone who hates ideologies, but he's a very religious man.

00:26:34.000 I think really the most confusing part of what he was saying was the use of the word religion.

00:26:39.000 Because a little bit like Daniele in his book, Create Your Own Religion, he's clearly created his variation of religion that allows him to use that word.

00:26:48.000 But for most people, the colloquial understanding of religion is much, much different.

00:26:52.000 And I think it was confusing.

00:26:53.000 I think he would probably benefit from maybe looking at that word and seeing if it's conveying what he actually means.

00:27:00.000 Yeah.

00:27:00.000 I think you're right, but I think I understood what he was saying, and I think he definitely understood what he was saying.

00:27:05.000 The problem is, you know, he's looking at it in terms of that these archetypal stories are integral to being a human.

00:27:12.000 100%.

00:27:12.000 And that they've been a part of our life for so long that this recent jettison That our society has taken away from it.

00:27:20.000 You know, we've sort of launched ourselves away and become more and more cynical about our roots and our understanding of who we are in this world and like what is important and what is bullshit.

00:27:31.000 You know, and that's all great.

00:27:33.000 I think that's super important and that's what human beings are here for.

00:27:36.000 We're here to be curious.

00:27:40.000 One of the things that I think people really do really well with is structure.

00:27:44.000 And when people don't have a structure, like a reason to behave in an ethical and kind way, or a better to strive for, they struggle without a structure.

00:27:58.000 And without truth as the bedrock.

00:28:00.000 Truth forms the bedrock.

00:28:02.000 And I think that's what he really meant about these religious truths as compared to scientific truths.

00:28:06.000 These true understandings that form the bedrock that you can build everything else off of.

00:28:11.000 Again, going back to self.

00:28:13.000 What is the self?

00:28:14.000 Well, when you look deeper and deeper, it's nothing but the embodied consciousness, the consciousness within us.

00:28:22.000 And then when you understand that you're consciousness, then you can ditch all of these other things that you're trying to pile on top of and make it so important, like all of these identity things. 0.94

00:28:31.000 But you have to get to, at least where my metaphysical understanding is, that The self is consciousness embodied in this awesome meat vehicle we get to play around with and experience life and interact with each other and taste things and fight things and fuck things. 0.93

00:28:45.000 Like, it's amazing.

00:28:46.000 But ultimately, you know, we're just that spark of consciousness. 0.99

00:28:52.000 Yeah, who the fuck knows? 0.98

00:28:53.000 But what he was saying was cool. 0.99

00:28:56.000 Because what he was saying, it was...

00:28:59.000 When Peterson was talking about it, it was in this different level of understanding, I think.

00:29:03.000 And he's so incredibly well-read.

00:29:05.000 No doubt.

00:29:05.000 I really like what you're saying, too, about how...

00:29:08.000 And one of the metaphysical understandings that I have...

00:29:11.000 I mean, I think you arrive at it from different ways.

00:29:13.000 I think religion can obviously be a great vehicle to help you arrive at that.

00:29:17.000 You can do it through philosophy.

00:29:19.000 You can do it through...

00:29:21.000 And I've kind of gone mostly through that experience route with the different plant medicines and things.

00:29:26.000 And you arrive at these different truths and that idea that you reconcile the darkness within you, that thing inside yourself that is inherently has all the capacity for evil.

00:29:37.000 That was brought to me in a psychedelic experience where I was going in and I realized that I myself It was all the darkness and all the light.

00:29:47.000 I was good and bad, arrayed on a spectrum, and was capable of doing every good thing and every bad thing.

00:29:54.000 And it was the most horrifying experience I've ever had.

00:29:57.000 Like, recognizing that I was all of those things, but the only thing that decided who I was was choice.

00:30:04.000 And then that choice was enough.

00:30:06.000 But you had to first reconcile the capability of being everything before you can layer on that element of Alright, I am everything, but I choose to be this.

00:30:16.000 I choose truth.

00:30:16.000 I choose love.

00:30:17.000 I choose to have faith against the fear.

00:30:20.000 And that's, you know, that's ultimately then who you are. 0.98

00:30:23.000 But going down into those subterranean depths and realizing that we all have fucked up thoughts. 0.94

00:30:28.000 You know, we're all a little bit off here or there. 0.92

00:30:31.000 And I think it's super important to reconcile. 1.00

00:30:33.000 Just like watching that fucking roadrunner jack that snake, we're animals. 0.99

00:30:37.000 We're living organisms. 1.00

00:30:38.000 And we're living organisms that are aware of this crazy sea of genes that we live in. 1.00

00:30:45.000 This sea of fucking cells competing for survival. 0.99

00:30:49.000 In these weird forms. 1.00

00:30:51.000 With these weird rules.

00:30:53.000 And we're in that.

00:30:54.000 But we're, as far as we know, we're the only ones that are aware that we're in it.

00:31:00.000 Unless dolphins are aware.

00:31:02.000 They could be aware.

00:31:03.000 You've ever heard of something called a false killer whale?

00:31:06.000 Dude!

00:31:07.000 I was in Hawaii this week.

00:31:08.000 We did a little fishing with the kids.

00:31:10.000 Had a great time. 0.89

00:31:11.000 And we're on this boat, and this guy, Steve, who's on the boat with me, who's one of the guys working on the boat, told me that they had a run-in with these false killer whales where they were pulling in these 50-pound tunas and this fucking gigantic 20-foot-long thing. 0.86

00:31:29.000 That thing.

00:31:30.000 You ever seen one of those?

00:31:31.000 No. 1.00

00:31:31.000 What the fuck, dude? 1.00

00:31:32.000 How did I not know that that existed? 1.00

00:31:35.000 This crazy looking weird whale thing with giant ass teeth. 0.99

00:31:39.000 And they call them false killer whales. 0.98

00:31:41.000 I don't know.

00:31:42.000 I guess it's like some sort of a dolphin subspecies or something.

00:31:46.000 Which a killer whale is, too.

00:31:48.000 They're all cousins, I guess. 0.99

00:31:49.000 But this thing snacked this fucking 50-pound tuna right off the hook, just ripped it off in front of him while he was pulling it in. 0.99

00:31:57.000 And so they said, oh, Jesus Christ, these things are going to find it. 0.99

00:32:01.000 Let's get out of here.

00:32:02.000 We'll go somewhere else.

00:32:03.000 They went five miles away. 1.00

00:32:05.000 These fucking things followed them five miles and jacked two more fish. 1.00

00:32:12.000 Wild. 1.00

00:32:13.000 Wild world out there.

00:32:14.000 This weekend I had a porpoise steal a tuna from me.

00:32:18.000 We were catching these little amberjack tunas.

00:32:20.000 They're not that big.

00:32:21.000 Like a big one is like 20 pounds is like as big as they get.

00:32:24.000 They're like mostly like 10 pounds, but they're really tasty.

00:32:27.000 Anyway, we're catching these things and I'm pulling them in and he's going crazy.

00:32:32.000 This thing's going crazy and the skipper says there's probably a porpoise chasing it. 0.98

00:32:38.000 I'm like no fucking way. 0.97

00:32:39.000 He's like yeah, they do it all the time. 0.99

00:32:41.000 They grow up.

00:32:42.000 Going around, there's this one area where these tunas live. 1.00

00:32:47.000 Skipjacks, that's what they're called, not amberjacks. 0.98

00:32:49.000 Skipjack tunas. 0.99

00:32:50.000 And this one area where they populate, these fucking dolphins have grown up to know that they can hang around those boats. 0.99

00:32:58.000 And they wait until someone catches one, and then when they're fighting it, it can't move very quick. 0.99

00:33:03.000 So they swim up to it while it's on the line, and they just jack them.

00:33:07.000 And he jacked it right in front of me! 0.99

00:33:09.000 Right in front of me, I'm like, no fucking way. 0.97

00:33:10.000 And I see this dark shadow underneath the water come near this flashing fish. 0.98

00:33:16.000 I hear this yank, this crazy tug, and then the line goes limp.

00:33:20.000 Thanks for making it easy for me.

00:33:21.000 I'm like, whoa, this porpoise just jacked that tuna right in front of me.

00:33:26.000 Seals do that with the Chinook salmon out in British Columbia, too.

00:33:28.000 Oh, do they?

00:33:29.000 Yeah, they pull your salmon off the line.

00:33:31.000 They're smart.

00:33:31.000 I mean, they figured out that if your line is taut, the fish ain't moving anywhere, it's fighting, it's trying to go this way, the drag, the reel, that's, like, easy one to get.

00:33:39.000 Yeah, and you never hook those animals, too.

00:33:41.000 They're too smart for that.

00:33:42.000 He said he's hooked them before.

00:33:44.000 Oh, really?

00:33:44.000 He said he hooked them before.

00:33:45.000 I didn't know that.

00:33:45.000 They accidentally had snagged one before.

00:33:47.000 Oh, like, body snagged?

00:33:49.000 Like, foul hooked it?

00:33:50.000 Yeah.

00:33:50.000 It got body snagged.

00:33:51.000 But, like, a dolphin, a dolphin will eat your fish, too.

00:33:54.000 But you don't see people, they'll get caught in nets, they just can't see them.

00:33:57.000 But you don't see them get caught in those hooks.

00:33:59.000 Yeah, that was one of my bits.

00:34:01.000 If people lived in the water, you'd catch them all day.

00:34:04.000 There's a difference between dolphins and people.

00:34:06.000 It's like they eat fish, but we don't catch them when you go fishing.

00:34:09.000 It's kind of crazy.

00:34:11.000 But the guy said that they had to pull one in.

00:34:14.000 I forget what the circumstances were, but it got foul hooked, and they had to pull it in and release the hook and be really careful with it.

00:34:22.000 Bummer.

00:34:23.000 Going back to what you were saying, though, about the self being this collection of cells, I think that's really kind of interesting because the self is so many different cells that are kind of sending competing signals to the brain, all of them trying to...

00:34:37.000 Almost vie for their own survival and then the brain puts out like a prime directive of what the things that are best for that but now that we're understanding so much of our gut biome and how much that contributes to the self it contributes you know neurotransmitter production immune cell production but every time we shit we drop a bunch of that gut biome into the toilet I mean it's it's going to feed on the on the feces and then we drop it in there so it's like our self is changing You know,

00:35:05.000 every time we take a dump, like that collection of things that we call self, which are some pathogenic organisms, some helpful organisms, some skin cells, all of it's contributing to self, all of it's contributing messages to the brain, and it's changing it all the time.

00:35:20.000 And I think that's why people, when they go looking for the self, it's so squirrely, because...

00:35:24.000 What is the self?

00:35:25.000 I mean, it changes every single day.

00:35:27.000 You're a different self when you're angry or happy or mad or in love as when you're inspired or after a workout, you're a different self than when you start.

00:35:34.000 We're just this amalgamation, but it's almost an ideology of self to call it one thing and to call it, oh, this is me.

00:35:41.000 Yeah.

00:35:42.000 We're really, we're just this a lot more nebulous than that.

00:35:45.000 And that's why people get confused and they want to cling to something concrete, an ideology.

00:35:50.000 Ah, self.

00:35:51.000 Here I am.

00:35:52.000 I am.

00:35:52.000 Well, you got a vague idea of who you are.

00:35:55.000 Yeah.

00:35:56.000 Like you kind of know, you know a neighborhood.

00:35:59.000 Ah, I've been down this road.

00:36:00.000 I know this road.

00:36:01.000 But you know, you can go down a bad road one day, you know?

00:36:04.000 Go down the someone towed your car and they weren't supposed to road.

00:36:08.000 And you're like, oh, I don't even know this dude.

00:36:13.000 There's weird parts of you that come out in weird altercations or weird moments of vulnerability.

00:36:18.000 You go, wow, I didn't even know that person was in there.

00:36:20.000 Yeah.

00:36:21.000 Like, just looking at, even as much as I think about it, I'll still get stuck in weird self land. 0.99

00:36:27.000 Like, this past Saturday, I don't know what it was, all the Thanksgiving, from like, noon to 7pm on Saturday, I was a cunt. 0.99

00:36:35.000 I was the worst. 1.00

00:36:36.000 I was the worst.

00:36:37.000 I didn't even want to hang out with myself.

00:36:40.000 And then I just, at some point, around 7 o'clock, I was like, oh my god, what is going on? 0.95

00:36:46.000 Did you eat too much shitty food? 0.97

00:36:48.000 Maybe. 0.99

00:36:48.000 Yeah, I don't know what it is. 0.99

00:36:50.000 I don't want to make excuses.

00:36:51.000 It was my male menstrual cycle moment.

00:36:55.000 In what way?

00:36:56.000 Were you short with people?

00:36:58.000 Were you just interested in wanting to be around?

00:36:59.000 Yeah, everything was like such a big deal.

00:37:04.000 Whatever little thing came up was like a life-ending, life-shattering thing.

00:37:09.000 And it was this weird understanding.

00:37:13.000 And then it lifted like a fog, just like when the clouds move and the sun pierces through.

00:37:17.000 And I was like, what the hell was that?

00:37:19.000 So that self is a slightly different self than the self that came after it, the self that's here now, the self on a cup of coffee versus that.

00:37:31.000 We try to oversimplify that when really we're so much more than what we are.

00:37:35.000 And there aren't boundaries.

00:37:36.000 This idea that you can contain everything.

00:37:38.000 This is me.

00:37:39.000 This is not me.

00:37:40.000 I think it really doesn't make a lot of sense.

00:37:42.000 There's got to be some techniques to making yourself more positive all the time.

00:37:48.000 I think that's one of the things about the Wim Hof breathing that I really like is that when you're doing any kind of breathing exercise, I think any, like even the beginning of Bikram yoga, when you do that crazy breathing, when you breathe, and then your neck goes back.

00:38:02.000 I think what that really makes you do is concentrate on the moment and it releases excess tension to the point where you have a better ability to be yourself.

00:38:13.000 Mm-hmm.

00:38:14.000 Totally.

00:38:15.000 I think there's a lot of burdens that we don't recognize that cling to us, and we're carrying them around, and we don't realize it until we get them free, and then we go, oh, I needed to go run.

00:38:26.000 Sometimes you just go, oh, I just needed a lift.

00:38:29.000 I needed to do something.

00:38:30.000 Now nothing's bothering me. 0.99

00:38:31.000 The same world exists, but 45 minutes of rigorous exercise, and you don't give a fuck about it anymore. 0.94

00:38:37.000 And this thing that was this overwhelming moment in your life, like, it's all a matter of perspective.

00:38:45.000 And the best perspective that I find is when I can tap into that consciousness element, what you can call it, people call it your higher self, whatever, there's a billion names for it, but it's the best version of yourself.

00:38:58.000 Like, who you are at your very, very best when you're filled with the most love and the most peace and the most, like, inner just contentment and satisfaction.

00:39:07.000 Like, your best self.

00:39:09.000 And then when you can find ways to access that, I think you're absolutely right.

00:39:13.000 Yoga.

00:39:14.000 Breathing, flotation, you know, nature, flow state, all of these ways are ways to tap into that best self, which is usually, you know, anchored in the present moment and is you at your very best.

00:39:25.000 And from that vantage point, you see the obstacles laid out in front of you and maybe they don't go away, but maybe you can look at them, you know, as you should, like an advantage, an opportunity to grow stronger, you know?

00:39:36.000 Yeah, just perspective.

00:39:38.000 I think all those things, including marijuana and a lot of other psychedelic compounds, they're perspective enhancers.

00:39:46.000 I think that's what they're here for.

00:39:48.000 We equate them with the negative aspects we know that some drugs have on people, so we know that sometimes they can be bad.

00:39:55.000 But I feel that same way about religion, and I feel that same way about government, I feel that same way about a lot of things. 0.53

00:40:02.000 Just because certain aspects of it are fucked, It doesn't mean it doesn't have some massive benefits for us. 0.96

00:40:09.000 Like, even, look, you could call it, like, religion in a lot of ways is like Bill Cosby, okay? 1.00

00:40:16.000 Because Bill Cosby did some horrible shit, some horrible shit, most likely, right? 1.00

00:40:21.000 But he made a lot of fucking people laugh. 1.00

00:40:23.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:40:24.000 Right?

00:40:24.000 There's a lot of people.

00:40:26.000 If you looked at the number of victims versus the number of people that benefited from it, him, you'd go, wow, what a complex situation this is.

00:40:34.000 You have this monster who also is doing amazing work.

00:40:37.000 Yeah.

00:40:38.000 He's making people so happy everywhere, and he's enforcing this really positive...

00:40:42.000 We have behaving and thinking for people.

00:40:45.000 Like, you could never imagine yourself swearing around Bill Cosby.

00:40:48.000 You know, he was this...

00:40:51.000 Upstanding PhD guy I think in a lot of ways that's the same way about Religion like if it wasn't for religion and I'm not an advocate of religion Currently like to use it currently in the same form that everybody's using it But I'm just saying if you looked at like humankind as a whole if it wasn't for Believing that we had these crazy rules then we had to do good Otherwise the deity would come and strike us down if it wasn't like the fear literal literal fear of God That kept people from just raping and

00:41:21.000 pillaging and doing whatever the fuck they wanted to. 0.99

00:41:23.000 Who knows how much longer it would have taken us to get to the place where you can fight over gender pronouns. 0.99

00:41:29.000 Yeah.

00:41:29.000 It's almost like a system that may at some point have been necessary.

00:41:34.000 We don't know the people.

00:41:35.000 We weren't around the people 3,000 years ago.

00:41:38.000 We don't know what they would have done without the threat and that fear of God because there was no DNA evidence.

00:41:44.000 There was no inspectors and detectives.

00:41:47.000 So maybe it was necessary, but clearly now the dogma that's surrounding it is an impediment to our happiness, an impediment to the better truths that are going to hopefully make this world a more positive place for everybody.

00:42:00.000 Well, I think you nailed it when you said like a program.

00:42:04.000 Because I think that's really what it is.

00:42:05.000 It's almost like a program that human beings Sort of manifested to travel to the next stage of development.

00:42:15.000 Like, look, we're just not going to get here tooth, fang, and claw.

00:42:18.000 That ain't going to work, boys.

00:42:18.000 Okay?

00:42:19.000 You know, we've got agriculture, but we're still behaving like monsters.

00:42:22.000 And they had to just figure out things to worship, things to love, things to cherish, things to believe in.

00:42:28.000 And then they passed these things down as like this higher daddy, this higher daddy thing.

00:42:33.000 Because that's what it is, man.

00:42:34.000 The problem is a couple people got it, saw that, jacked it.

00:42:38.000 Jacked it.

00:42:38.000 And then manipulated it for their own power.

00:42:40.000 And then Ronald Reagan came along.

00:42:42.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:42:43.000 I mean, that whole move of, all right, you can't talk to God.

00:42:46.000 To talk to God, you've got to come see me, and you've got to build me a big house, and you've got to pay me every year.

00:42:50.000 And then I'll translate that message to the divine on your behalf.

00:42:55.000 Thank you very much.

00:42:55.000 My favorite version of that is, you ever see the dude who took pictures of himself in heaven?

00:43:00.000 No.

00:43:01.000 That's awesome. 0.99

00:43:02.000 He fucking... 0.99

00:43:03.000 He went to heaven. 1.00

00:43:04.000 He passed her.

00:43:05.000 He came back.

00:43:05.000 He had a suit on and a white background.

00:43:09.000 And he said he was in heaven.

00:43:10.000 He took photos and he put them up on Instagram.

00:43:12.000 Hell yeah.

00:43:15.000 That's good.

00:43:15.000 And he was selling the photos.

00:43:17.000 He was selling the photos of him in heaven.

00:43:19.000 Yeah.

00:43:19.000 Come on, son.

00:43:21.000 Well, I think in order for that to work for people, you have to break the brain early.

00:43:25.000 And I think you break the brain by saying something like, fear God.

00:43:28.000 Look at this.

00:43:30.000 Hehehehe.

00:43:33.000 Amazing.

00:43:34.000 I thought it was all white, man. 0.65

00:43:36.000 Why does it have like a rainbow hue to it?

00:43:38.000 Is that the same photo?

00:43:41.000 I think so.

00:43:42.000 Hmm, that's weird.

00:43:43.000 I could have sworn.

00:43:44.000 It might be another person.

00:43:46.000 No, it's the same guy.

00:43:46.000 It's definitely the same guy.

00:43:47.000 That's the same photo.

00:43:48.000 But the image looked...

00:43:50.000 Yeah, see, in that image, it was white.

00:43:52.000 In some images, it was white.

00:43:54.000 I think somebody added something to that photo. 0.99

00:43:57.000 I think they put the sun rays and shit. 0.99

00:44:00.000 That's the one. 0.99

00:44:01.000 See the one above him with the suit?

00:44:03.000 Not that one.

00:44:04.000 Right there.

00:44:04.000 Kept going.

00:44:05.000 The second row.

00:44:06.000 Yeah, there you go.

00:44:07.000 Click on that one.

00:44:08.000 That was the image.

00:44:09.000 It was just him with a white background.

00:44:12.000 He said, yo, I'm in heaven, dawg.

00:44:15.000 Jesus loves you, bro.

00:44:17.000 Jesus loves you.

00:44:19.000 I'm telling you, man.

00:44:21.000 And he was selling these photos.

00:44:23.000 Slick suit though.

00:44:25.000 I like a suit.

00:44:26.000 What's that?

00:44:27.000 Ruffle shirt.

00:44:28.000 What does it say?

00:44:30.000 What he saw will burn your heart?

00:44:32.000 What?

00:44:33.000 I don't know if that's good or bad.

00:44:34.000 What he saw will burn your heart.

00:44:35.000 I don't want my heart burned.

00:44:37.000 I think it's good.

00:44:38.000 It will burn your heart.

00:44:38.000 It's good the way it is.

00:44:41.000 Imagine if there was a heaven and we were just talking shit. 0.99

00:44:43.000 Imagine if like one day the space shuttle takes the wrong turn and it's on its way up into orbit and it just pops through this little hole and like, oh shit. 0.99

00:44:51.000 We're in heaven. 0.99

00:44:52.000 Damn. 1.00

00:44:53.000 We're in heaven. 1.00

00:44:53.000 It was all true. 1.00

00:44:54.000 Oh my god.

00:44:54.000 And they get out, take their headgear off, they can breathe.

00:44:58.000 There's angels hanging around up there.

00:44:59.000 It's like...

00:45:00.000 You know, I think it's just people have made that wrong turn, like Jordan Peterson was saying, of taking these things as literal when they should be metaphysical.

00:45:08.000 Like, we all have the ability to create heaven and hell in our own life, which is a point he eloquently made.

00:45:13.000 And then, you know, when we are pure consciousness, what I've experienced, at least, from all these psychedelic experiences, when the body disappears and becomes less prominent in your thinking, you are...

00:45:26.000 What's seemingly just pure consciousness.

00:45:28.000 You know, there's also that opportunity there for heaven to embrace all of the love. 1.00

00:45:32.000 And then there's also the opportunity to look back on your life like, what the fuck? 0.99

00:45:36.000 You know, I made these choices that hurt these people. 0.99

00:45:40.000 And that is this almost...

00:45:42.000 Hell, you know, so hell and heaven is again, you know, as above, so below.

00:45:46.000 It's just a mental state, you know, and that could be the same, very same mental state that we go across.

00:45:52.000 But instead, we tried to make it concrete. 0.96

00:45:54.000 We tried to, you know, Salvador Bosch, you know, tried to create all of these horrible things of things biting you and burning you and viscerating your genitals and prying you apart. 0.59

00:46:04.000 When all of that is really a metaphor for what's happening in your mind, you know, not an actual place. 0.89

00:46:10.000 Yeah, like the mind of Dick Cheney.

00:46:13.000 How does Dick Cheney go to sleep without pills?

00:46:16.000 What kind of dreams does that guy have?

00:46:20.000 And what happens when he's liberated from all of the rationalizations?

00:46:26.000 You know, like, when all of those things disappear, like, you know, you get in the float tank, and you see all these things that have allowed you to think a certain way, and then you go floating, and then all of those structures go apart, and you look at that thing you did and go, huh, was that cool?

00:46:40.000 Was that douchey?

00:46:42.000 You know, like, because, but he's never had that moment.

00:46:45.000 He's never stopped the hamster wheel long enough to get still to be able to look at his life from his higher self and be like, whoa, what am I doing?

00:46:52.000 Look at all this momentum.

00:46:53.000 Look at all the software viruses that my open source consciousness has picked up along the way.

00:46:59.000 These different fears, these different greeds, these lusts for power, these different things that have created this thing that's never stopped and the momentum's never gotten quiet enough for them to really analyze it.

00:47:09.000 Dude, they kept that guy alive with somebody else's heart.

00:47:13.000 They cut him open and put another dude's heart inside of him. 1.00

00:47:18.000 That is fucking crazy. 1.00

00:47:20.000 To think that human beings can do that. 0.99

00:47:23.000 We could fix...

00:47:24.000 They could take out your lungs, man.

00:47:26.000 They can replace your lungs with someone else's lungs.

00:47:29.000 I think that's all helpful to thinking about it because the more we lose that attachment to this body as being like anything but the machine, the machine that's going to allow us to experience consciousness in the physical form, I think when we really look at that,

00:47:45.000 then that's going to be a helpful kind of metaphysical underpinning.

00:47:48.000 So we're not so caught up in these elements that are causing us so much discomfort and suffering.

00:47:55.000 Right.

00:47:56.000 We're not trapped in this idea of what we are.

00:48:01.000 Yeah.

00:48:02.000 But, like, isn't it inevitable?

00:48:04.000 If they come up with bionic eyes, they let you stare at the sun, you can watch Netflix on them, and they're way better than regular eyes. 0.58

00:48:11.000 And they give them to people who lose their eyes first. 0.99

00:48:14.000 And then people start going, scoop these fucking shitty bitches out, give me some of them good eyes. 1.00

00:48:19.000 And you get them good eyes, and you start, I mean, everybody has the good eyes. 1.00

00:48:22.000 You just walk around, look at each other, wink, you know, you know, I got the good eyes, you can see each other. 0.94

00:48:27.000 You can fucking read sports scores flying in the sky. 0.98

00:48:30.000 Just a hardware upgrade. 0.99

00:48:31.000 Yeah, an upgrade.

00:48:32.000 You can have binocular vision.

00:48:33.000 You can decide to zoom in on things far off into the distance.

00:48:36.000 Why wouldn't you do that? 1.00

00:48:38.000 What do you like seeing out of your shitty old fucking bloodshot eyes? 1.00

00:48:43.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:48:44.000 Bitch ass eyes. 1.00

00:48:44.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:48:45.000 You upgrade the hardware and then we just got to make sure that we're upgrading the software and eliminating the viruses, running those system checks to get all of these bad programs out of our head, get the better metaphysical truth programs like the Platinum Rule.

00:49:01.000 Everybody is you living a different life.

00:49:03.000 Treat them as such.

00:49:05.000 Get some of these other software programs running, discard the old ones, then upgrade the hardware all you want.

00:49:11.000 But both have to kind of come in conjunction.

00:49:14.000 Otherwise, we'll do what we did with technology elevating faster than consciousness. 0.87

00:49:18.000 Technology elevates faster than consciousness, and we just fuck each other up better.

00:49:22.000 Yeah, we definitely do that.

00:49:23.000 I think also technology is just...

00:49:26.000 It's just trying to get us more and more addicted to it.

00:49:30.000 I was thinking of this the other day when I was flying back from Hawaii. 0.99

00:49:33.000 I was thinking of how many people I see stare at a phone at the airport, at the fucking mall, at a restaurant. 0.98

00:49:43.000 Myself, I'm staring at my own phone. 0.98

00:49:44.000 I mean, I'm not immune to it. 1.00

00:49:46.000 We're all staring at fucking phones. 0.97

00:49:48.000 And I'm like, if I was a pilgrim, if you went back in a time machine, you grabbed a pilgrim, and you dragged them to 2016, and you said, what are you seeing? 0.99

00:49:58.000 They'd be like, my God!

00:50:00.000 They're all prisoners to the looking glass!

00:50:02.000 They've been captured.

00:50:04.000 It's like they're under a spell.

00:50:05.000 They're under a spell. 1.00

00:50:06.000 They stare at a fucking glass screen first thing in the morning. 1.00

00:50:10.000 They check their email. 1.00

00:50:11.000 They go to work.

00:50:11.000 They stare at a screen.

00:50:12.000 They look at their navigation system while they're fucking driving to work. 0.99

00:50:16.000 They get home. 1.00

00:50:16.000 They watch TV before they go to bed. 1.00

00:50:18.000 They check their email again. 1.00

00:50:20.000 They're just staring at fucking screens. 1.00

00:50:22.000 They're living their lives through screens. 1.00

00:50:25.000 The looking glass.

00:50:27.000 It's captivated them.

00:50:28.000 I would think they were under the spell of glass.

00:50:31.000 Like there was something about, something behind.

00:50:33.000 They're not moving. 1.00

00:50:34.000 They're just sitting there in front of this fucking thing all day. 1.00

00:50:37.000 There's almost no movement. 1.00

00:50:39.000 Almost all the time, you're in front of a screen, you're just sitting there.

00:50:43.000 Yeah. 0.93

00:50:44.000 If you saw that and you had no idea what the fuck a television was or a phone, you were just a person from another time period, and you said, what do you think's going on? 0.99

00:50:52.000 Like, well, these fucking people are under a spell. 1.00

00:50:54.000 They're clearly under a spell. 1.00

00:50:55.000 Like, it's giving them something, yeah, but that's what a spell is. 0.98

00:50:59.000 I mean, when the fucking, when the hypnotic dancer dances in front of you, and then all of a sudden you don't even know where you are anymore, it's because you're looking at something cool. 0.98

00:51:06.000 You're at the strip club when that happens, by the way. 0.99

00:51:09.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:51:09.000 You don't know where you are.

00:51:10.000 Yeah, you ate the edible that Joey Diaz gave you that was mislabeled on purpose.

00:51:14.000 Thank you.

00:51:14.000 This is what you're seeing.

00:51:16.000 You're seeing something amazing, and that amazing thing is making you want more of it, so you're spending more money to get a better computer, to make better explosions on the bigger screen that has the better sound, and it keeps going deeper and deeper,

00:51:32.000 and every fucking new phone has some new way to get you excited, and you're staring at the newest and best screen, and you're just locked into this sort of hypnotic trance, Of technology.

00:51:45.000 Oh, it allows you to Bluetooth with your navigation system. 0.98

00:51:49.000 It syncs up to your car. 0.99

00:51:50.000 You're still staring at a fucking screen and not doing anything. 0.99

00:51:54.000 It doesn't matter what's happening. 1.00

00:51:56.000 The same effect is taking place.

00:51:58.000 You're staring at a screen.

00:52:00.000 I think what's interesting to me is I think we're in this intermediary stage where we're watching this rapid advancement and things are getting more and more interesting.

00:52:11.000 But I think there's going to be a tipping point where technology is so ubiquitous that we'll actually...

00:52:18.000 It'll kind of settle into our lives in a better way.

00:52:21.000 And maybe some people will get completely lost.

00:52:22.000 But I think a lot of us are already reaching that point where it's almost too much.

00:52:26.000 And it's forcing us to make our own boundaries.

00:52:29.000 Put our phone down.

00:52:30.000 You know, this idea of put your phone away on this retreat.

00:52:33.000 There's no phones here.

00:52:34.000 We're starting to develop the counter-reaction to it.

00:52:36.000 But it has to get to the point of ridiculous in order for us to do, you know, have this kind of counter-reaction.

00:52:42.000 And I think that's the way it's going.

00:52:43.000 I think that's like using Fred Flintstone's brakes on a Formula One car.

00:52:48.000 Good luck!

00:52:49.000 We're gonna put our phone away for a whole hour!

00:52:51.000 Right.

00:52:51.000 You know?

00:52:52.000 It's just sitting there in your bag calling you, oh, breathe!

00:52:57.000 Come touches us again!

00:53:00.000 My precious.

00:53:02.000 My precious.

00:53:03.000 The only hope that I have for that philosophy I was espousing is I thought of something at Burning Man. 0.99

00:53:10.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

00:53:12.000 At Burning Man, it's so much shit. 1.00

00:53:18.000 You can't even fathom how many lit up, amazingly beautiful, fire-breathing art creations... 0.99

00:53:25.000 Dancing people, half-naked people, fully naked people, orgy tents, this crazy amalgamation.

00:53:32.000 I mean, I was in this, like, Thunderdome. 0.96

00:53:35.000 They rebuilt the Thunderdome, basically, and they had people on bungee cords, and two topless chicks were smashing into each other on bungee cords, beating each other with foam sabers as, like, house music played behind, and a fucking fire-breathing dragon car, like, rode by breathing fire. 0.99

00:53:51.000 Like, that is ridiculous. 0.98

00:53:53.000 Sounds awesome. 0.99

00:53:54.000 It's ridiculous.

00:53:55.000 But after you've been there for a while, you realize the times that you enjoy the most are getting high with your homies in the RV. That's the absolute best time you have at Burning Man, and those just laughing and hanging, drinking a beer in the RV. Don't you think that's enhanced,

00:54:12.000 though, by the chaotic environment and the fact that you have this crazy feeling like, wow, we're here.

00:54:17.000 We're here.

00:54:18.000 That's kind of what goes on at a place like that, right?

00:54:21.000 It's like, wow, we're here.

00:54:23.000 Yeah, all of it contributes, but then just realizing we can do that RV moment anywhere.

00:54:29.000 You don't need to be in Burning Man. 0.98

00:54:31.000 That is the most special shit. 1.00

00:54:33.000 The most special shit is the simple shit. 1.00

00:54:35.000 So you can take all this technology, it does all this awesome stuff, but it's never going to beat that hike or that time you're hanging and playing with your kids or that time you went fishing or that time. 0.99

00:54:45.000 It's never going to beat that.

00:54:47.000 And you start to realize that when it gets to the ridiculous.

00:54:50.000 It's just when it's on this kind of intermediary level that it's hard for us to figure out, I think.

00:54:55.000 Yeah.

00:54:55.000 Well, I think the only way to truly appreciate the natural world...

00:54:59.000 Excuse me.

00:55:00.000 To truly appreciate the wonders of the natural world is to be engaged in it separate of the electronic world.

00:55:08.000 If you're on some crazy hike, but you're also staring at your phone the entire time you're walking, you're just not going to get the whole feeling.

00:55:16.000 If you're hiking in Yosemite and some of those incredible views and vistas and you're traveling around this amazing nature, you're not going to really take that in if you're looking at your phone all the time.

00:55:28.000 Or thinking about what picture you're going to take.

00:55:30.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:55:31.000 You got a bunch of selfies.

00:55:32.000 Yeah.

00:55:33.000 Because inherently, there's nothing about the phone that is in the present moment unless something is immediately popping up, right?

00:55:38.000 Right.

00:55:39.000 It's all about the past, how I look, the future, what am I going to post, what's going to come.

00:55:45.000 So it takes you out of the present moment.

00:55:46.000 I think present moment is really the only pleasurable state that we have.

00:55:51.000 On the planet is when you're present. 1.00

00:55:53.000 It's those fucking screens, man. 1.00

00:55:54.000 Calling you, come look at me! 1.00

00:55:57.000 Selfie time!

00:55:59.000 It's selfie time!

00:56:01.000 And your ego is just reening.

00:56:03.000 Yeah, look at all the likes.

00:56:04.000 I have 5,000 likes. 1.00

00:56:06.000 For my ass. 1.00

00:56:08.000 5,000 likes. 1.00

00:56:10.000 Yeah, you put filters on shit. 1.00

00:56:12.000 Get that angle perfect. 1.00

00:56:13.000 Gotta get those likes.

00:56:14.000 It's so seductive, though.

00:56:15.000 I mean, even before there was these phones and selfies, there was paintings, and then there was just your appearance in general, so people would get seduced by their reflection in the mirror and looking pretty.

00:56:27.000 And then...

00:56:28.000 All the way back, maybe even before there was mirrors, there was that time in the brook, and that's where you get the myth of Narcissus, who just couldn't stop looking at his reflection in the waters of the stream.

00:56:41.000 And that was like the original point of, you start looking at yourself not as self, separating yourself from self, you'll never be in the present moment. 0.80

00:56:49.000 You'll always be looking at yourself, judging yourself, and that's a game you can never fucking win. 1.00

00:56:54.000 You're not gonna win that one, bitch. 1.00

00:56:55.000 No. 1.00

00:56:56.000 How much do you think it cost back in the day to get your portrait painted? 0.99

00:57:00.000 Like, if you got your portrait painted back in the Renaissance, you were a bad motherfucker, right? 0.99

00:57:05.000 You had some cash, man. 0.99

00:57:07.000 You sat there and looked regal with your best clothes while some dude just painted you.

00:57:14.000 For how long?

00:57:14.000 How long does that take?

00:57:16.000 Well, they would pose for marble busts back even before then.

00:57:19.000 Like, you go back to the Roman and Greek times.

00:57:21.000 That's insane.

00:57:22.000 I don't know how long that takes for you to get carved in marble.

00:57:28.000 Yeah, that's insane.

00:57:29.000 And you can't move.

00:57:30.000 Yeah.

00:57:30.000 But the ego is so seductive.

00:57:33.000 You know, you want that.

00:57:34.000 You want to portray that image.

00:57:36.000 And the problem is it's just always so vulnerable.

00:57:39.000 Like it never feels confident no matter how wealthy you are, how good looking you are.

00:57:42.000 It's always on shaky ground because it's all nonsense.

00:57:46.000 You know, your consciousness and that's enough.

00:57:48.000 Like you don't need to be all of these things.

00:57:51.000 But you do, though, if you're that guy.

00:57:54.000 If you're that guy that sits there for the bust.

00:57:57.000 I mean, that's one of the things I was thinking when I was in Rome and I was going through the Vatican.

00:58:01.000 We were looking at all these different sculptures.

00:58:02.000 I'm like, there's no way everyone was jacked.

00:58:05.000 Everyone was jacked.

00:58:06.000 Everyone.

00:58:07.000 Everyone.

00:58:08.000 Everyone had a six-pack?

00:58:09.000 Everyone.

00:58:09.000 Really?

00:58:10.000 It's so polite how they made everybody with a small dick, so nobody felt like... 0.99

00:58:14.000 Do you know why they did that? 0.99

00:58:15.000 So nobody felt like it was too small?

00:58:16.000 No, no, no, no.

00:58:17.000 Interestingly enough, I asked, of course, and the guy told me that... 1.00

00:58:23.000 In the Roman age, it was considered barbaric if you had a big penis. 0.99

00:58:29.000 Like, you weren't a person of culture or thought if you had a big penis. 0.99

00:58:34.000 And whether he's correct or not, I'm not sure. 0.99

00:58:36.000 Jamie, look that up, please.

00:58:38.000 But that's interesting. 0.99

00:58:40.000 That, like, these little dick dudes would say, listen, this big dick thing, it's a fad! 0.99

00:58:46.000 Okay? 1.00

00:58:46.000 Don't get attached to it. 1.00

00:58:47.000 They're all brutes and assholes, and that's why we're in this mess in the first place. 1.00

00:58:50.000 It's all those big-dicked assholes. 1.00

00:58:53.000 You want a solid Roman Catholic government? 1.00

00:58:57.000 You need a little-dicked dude with a six-pack, just jacked to the tits. 1.00

00:59:02.000 Looks like he's GSP with a leaf over his dick. 1.00

00:59:04.000 And the leaves were put over the dicks later. 1.00

00:59:08.000 And a lot of the leaves, the style of the leaf over the dick... 0.99

00:59:13.000 Or like post-Constantine.

00:59:14.000 Yeah, it happened later after some religious period. 0.99

00:59:17.000 They just decided to stop looking at dicks. 0.99

00:59:19.000 They're just like, what? 0.99

00:59:19.000 This has been in front of us the whole time? 0.99

00:59:21.000 Oh my goodness.

00:59:22.000 I mean, it's really like that classic example of let's make something that we're not.

00:59:27.000 Yeah.

00:59:28.000 You know, let's make that bad.

00:59:30.000 You know, that thing is bad. 0.99

00:59:31.000 That we don't have a big dick. 1.00

00:59:32.000 Okay. 0.99

00:59:32.000 But I mean, I think they were also the honest inclination. 0.99

00:59:36.000 That guy's got a hog and a half, though.

00:59:37.000 Look at that one. 0.94

00:59:38.000 Is that the devil? 0.99

00:59:40.000 Oh, he's the devil. 1.00

00:59:41.000 Yeah, the demons always had giant dicks. 1.00

00:59:44.000 You don't want that girl. 1.00

00:59:46.000 That big dick demon. 1.00

00:59:48.000 Monster. 1.00

00:59:50.000 Yeah, that guy's got a hog. 0.97

00:59:53.000 Put it away, Jamie. 0.66

00:59:55.000 I'm tired of looking at it. 0.98

00:59:56.000 It's just weird to think that they were struggling between, I guess, a big dick represented virility, which represented conquest, which represented war, which represented strife, like all those big dick dudes just coming over the mountains, 1.00

01:00:12.000 fucking big shaggy beards, swinging swords and shit. 1.00

01:00:15.000 Brennus the Gaul. 1.00

01:00:16.000 Yeah, we gotta stop.

01:00:17.000 Cutting himself and yelling in his bare skins on mushrooms as he's looking at a line of impenetrable shields.

01:00:23.000 That guy.

01:00:24.000 That guy. 1.00

01:00:24.000 Yeah, you don't want that guy in his giant dick. 1.00

01:00:26.000 That guy probably had a hog for sure just hair braided around it like Princess Leia's helmet on his balls. 1.00

01:00:35.000 Yeah, I mean if a girl tried to suck his dick, she's literally sucking on one of those cat posts. 1.00

01:00:41.000 It's just a hairy dick. 1.00

01:00:44.000 Would you imagine a buffalo dick would be like all these just random hairs hanging off of the shaft of his dick. 1.00

01:00:52.000 Just dreadlocked. 1.00

01:00:54.000 Barbarian dick. 1.00

01:00:56.000 He probably becomes a bright white. 1.00

01:00:59.000 Bright white like toothpaste just catches the moonlight and glows boom shoots out looks like bones like liquid bones coming out of his dick you could You can't have that guy around with his big dick. 1.00

01:01:20.000 You need little dudes with six-packs that look like they could go gay at any moment in time. 1.00

01:01:24.000 Because they did. 1.00

01:01:25.000 Yeah, every one of them was just ready to suck a cock. 1.00

01:01:27.000 And conveniently, the dicks were small, so nobody gagged. 1.00

01:01:30.000 Maybe that's what was going on, too. 1.00

01:01:31.000 There was a lot of dick sucking back then. 1.00

01:01:32.000 It was just a friendly little dick. 1.00

01:01:35.000 They didn't have those barbarian dicks to deal with. 1.00

01:01:37.000 I wonder when they realized you shouldn't fuck dudes all the time. 1.00

01:01:40.000 When in real life? 1.00

01:01:42.000 Because people who essentially weren't even gay were fucking dudes, right? 0.99

01:01:46.000 Not that there's anything wrong with being gay. 0.99

01:01:48.000 Let's just get that out of the way.

01:01:49.000 I'm not judging in any way homosexuality, but I'm saying that it's less likely than being straight.

01:01:58.000 But back then, that was on the case.

01:02:00.000 Gay acts, whether you're an actual gay person or not, that's the question. 0.99

01:02:03.000 Were they gay people? 0.96

01:02:05.000 Were they more gay people?

01:02:06.000 Were they more bisexual people? 0.81

01:02:07.000 Or was everybody greedy?

01:02:10.000 I think it's a combination.

01:02:12.000 I think we're naturally a lot more bisexual than we act on because everybody's also naturally quite a bit homophobic.

01:02:19.000 And that's part of it. 0.99

01:02:21.000 But I also think they were fucking kids back then. 1.00

01:02:24.000 They fucked everything. 1.00

01:02:24.000 There was the momentum of fucking kids. 1.00

01:02:26.000 If you're a kid and you get fucked by a dude, I think there's got to be a correlation there between having the desire to do the same thing. 1.00

01:02:35.000 If your dad beats you, then you want to beat when you're a dad. 0.98

01:02:39.000 It's the same kind of ingrained thing, and I think they just got this momentum of kid fucking, and then that probably contributed, along with just the open-mindedness and not being homophobic. 0.99

01:02:50.000 Actually, they sometimes were homophobic against the people who would receive the dick, but the people who were supplying the dick, it was like prison rules. 0.99

01:02:57.000 It's kind of like prison rules. 0.98

01:02:58.000 Basically like the whole society was prison.

01:03:00.000 You know, because if you're the pitcher, you're not really, you know, it's kind of normal.

01:03:05.000 Everybody's a pitcher.

01:03:06.000 Yeah, you just try to get rid of loads.

01:03:08.000 You know, and that was like one thing that if you look at some of the graffiti when Caesar was taking over power, like some of the graffiti was calling him like the catcher.

01:03:17.000 Like, Caesar, you catcher.

01:03:19.000 You know, whatever word that was for that, you know, because that was still a slight.

01:03:24.000 Like, you were supposed to, at the most virile, if you're head of the Roman legions, you know, you want to be the pitcher.

01:03:30.000 When I was in high school, my friend Jimmy Lawless, who I'm still friends with today.

01:03:33.000 I love that dude.

01:03:34.000 But Jimmy Lawless, what a great name, by the way.

01:03:37.000 It's right up there with Eddie Bravo.

01:03:39.000 But we knew this dude who was bisexual.

01:03:42.000 And we were kind of weirded out because, you know, I think I was 17 and Jimmy was 18. We were like, what the fuck? 0.99

01:03:47.000 Like, what do you think? 0.99

01:03:48.000 What does that mean?

01:03:48.000 Like, you know?

01:03:50.000 He goes, I don't know if I believe in bisexuals. 0.99

01:03:53.000 I think they're just greedy. 0.99

01:03:57.000 And we started laughing.

01:03:58.000 We started laughing so hard because he was only like half serious.

01:04:02.000 Because I think they're just greedy.

01:04:05.000 I'll never forget it.

01:04:07.000 It's so burned in my head as a 17-year-old that laughed at everything. 1.00

01:04:11.000 I had a 17-year-old's ridiculously stupid sense of humor. 1.00

01:04:15.000 And to this day, if someone says bisexual, I just think of him going, they're just greedy. 1.00

01:04:21.000 Humans have put their dick in everything. 1.00

01:04:24.000 Anything. 1.00

01:04:26.000 Jacuzzis, couches, cheap, fleshlights, people, men, women, whatever.

01:04:31.000 That's how we met.

01:04:33.000 I think we should clarify that.

01:04:36.000 Aubrey and I met when he worked for the Fleshlight, if you didn't know. 0.99

01:04:39.000 Aubrey worked for a company that had a fake vagina. 1.00

01:04:42.000 You'd have sex with a gelatinous fake vagina. 1.00

01:04:44.000 It was like some sort of a gelatin or something. 1.00

01:04:46.000 Food source gelatin.

01:04:48.000 You can't divulge family secrets, but that's how we met. 0.98

01:04:53.000 People love to just get rid of cum. 0.99

01:04:56.000 It makes you feel better. 0.99

01:04:56.000 Yeah, and I think we gotta just remove all of the fucking stigma about it. 0.99

01:05:01.000 I know. 0.99

01:05:01.000 It's the come-release mechanism for the pleasure monkey. 0.99

01:05:04.000 And that word was something that came to me actually on my ayahuasca trip. 0.99

01:05:08.000 But that's what we fucking are. 0.99

01:05:10.000 We're pleasure monkeys. 0.99

01:05:11.000 We're here to soak in as much pleasure, laughter, feel all the things that you can fucking feel to your body, hit all of the pleasure buttons. 0.98

01:05:20.000 Why would you have a pleasure button and not push it? 0.97

01:05:22.000 It doesn't make any sense.

01:05:24.000 Like, push all of your pleasure buttons.

01:05:26.000 Let's feel what that feels like.

01:05:27.000 Let's go through and finish this existence in the material form saying like, man, you don't want to have that button.

01:05:34.000 You're like, man, I heard that button was awesome, but I just never pushed it because I was afraid and religion said this thing and blah, blah, blah. 0.97

01:05:40.000 Like, fucking push the pleasure buttons. 0.99

01:05:42.000 Push it. 1.00

01:05:43.000 Yeah.

01:05:44.000 Recognize that that's what we're here for and stop stressing so much about it.

01:05:48.000 The idea that you should be guilty for your pleasure, like you don't deserve it.

01:05:53.000 You do.

01:05:53.000 We still have the echoes of the Puritans that landed here and sort of tried to reestablish what's really similar to a lot of other crazy religious ideologies views on sex, like really rigid, restrictive sex practices.

01:06:07.000 You know?

01:06:08.000 And that stuff stuck. 1.00

01:06:10.000 It's hard to shake that shit off. 0.99

01:06:12.000 It's hard to be grown adults, like you are with your friends. 1.00

01:06:15.000 You know? 0.68

01:06:15.000 Like you are with your friends, you talk about sex. 0.68

01:06:18.000 It's just sex. 0.60

01:06:19.000 It's what people do. 1.00

01:06:21.000 You don't say, oh, she wants sex, that dirty, dirty, demon-possessed woman. 1.00

01:06:27.000 You go, yeah, look at her, she's hot. 1.00

01:06:29.000 I bet she wants dick all day. 1.00

01:06:30.000 Hot girls, that's probably what's going on. 1.00

01:06:32.000 You look at Jennifer Lopez's ass, that's the ass of a woman that probably enjoys a dick, right? 1.00

01:06:39.000 You'd hope so. 1.00

01:06:40.000 It seems like there's some system there, right?

01:06:43.000 It attracts them.

01:06:44.000 She probably likes them.

01:06:45.000 It's like a flower, and the bees land on it.

01:06:48.000 The flower wants the bee. 1.00

01:06:49.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:06:51.000 The more fragrant the flower, the more it is desiring the bee.

01:06:55.000 Mutually beneficial relationship.

01:06:56.000 But somewhere along the line, people decide to restrict it, and they really clamp down on it.

01:07:00.000 And I think it was during the hard times.

01:07:02.000 And I think...

01:07:04.000 There's just so much, there's so much to the restriction on sex that I think also has to do with our worrying about people not being able to handle hard times if they come again.

01:07:14.000 Like there's a lot of people I think in this world, whether they're preppers, whether they're people that are just concerned about the future of the world, they're really worried that people are losing, and ironically, it's funny because the people that would be more restrictive when it comes to sex are usually the right-wingers, but the right-wingers are least concerned about environmental damage.

01:07:31.000 They're more concerned about Fiscal profits like currently and then the left wing Would be much more concerned with environmental but much less restrictive when it comes to sexuality Like the the idea that you could just run around having sex with whoever you want and just Experiencing pleasure and not committing to people and having a good time and smoking a little pot and drinking and dancing and just enjoying life That's not good for commerce,

01:07:59.000 right?

01:08:00.000 That's not good for business. 1.00

01:08:01.000 That's not good and so If you want people to embrace the same sort of level of materialism that you're gonna need to make your bottom line go up every year, you gotta stop these fucking hippies and their goddamn fucking dance out in the desert. 1.00

01:08:14.000 Sure. 0.99

01:08:15.000 Some burning down bullshit out there, cutting back on our profits. 0.99

01:08:19.000 You gotta look at that motivation. 0.99

01:08:21.000 You also gotta look at the motivation of just control. 0.99

01:08:25.000 You take something that someone is going to think about all the fucking time. 0.97

01:08:30.000 All the time. 0.99

01:08:30.000 And then make them guilty for that and make it a sin and make you the one who can absolve them of that sin. 0.99

01:08:37.000 You got them fucking locked! 0.99

01:08:39.000 Like every single human on planet Earth is going to sin and they're going to need you to rescue them from hellfire. 1.00

01:08:45.000 Boom. 0.99

01:08:46.000 It's like the ultimate fucking rear naked choke on the human psyche, right? 1.00

01:08:50.000 Because no one's going to be able to stop themselves from having sexual urges and thoughts. 1.00

01:08:55.000 And if your thoughts are a sin and you're the only one who can take it away from them, it's fucking the world's greatest con. 0.99

01:09:02.000 The world's greatest con might be making prostitution illegal. 0.99

01:09:06.000 Right?

01:09:06.000 Like, how do they figure out a way?

01:09:08.000 You can fuck anybody you want for free. 1.00

01:09:09.000 Like, it's not like it's illegal to fuck. 1.00

01:09:11.000 It's not like murder. 1.00

01:09:12.000 You know, like, you just can't go around killing people.

01:09:14.000 I don't care how much you pay. 0.78

01:09:15.000 You can't go kill people.

01:09:17.000 That's not what we do, okay?

01:09:18.000 We're civilized.

01:09:19.000 But you could just go...

01:09:21.000 Get some coke, go to a bar, start doing shots with people.

01:09:25.000 Next thing you know, you're banging people. 1.00

01:09:26.000 You barely even know them, right? 1.00

01:09:28.000 If you're some fucking wild person, you could just, if you're a girl especially, god damn, you could travel from place to place and give it away and just get dick anywhere you want, right? 1.00

01:09:39.000 Well, that is okay. 0.99

01:09:40.000 But if you go there and you actually exchange pieces of paper or coins, that's not good.

01:09:46.000 Or bitcoins. 0.99

01:09:48.000 What the fuck? 0.99

01:09:49.000 Like, how is that possible? 1.00

01:09:50.000 Man, Bitcoin prostitute, that's high level. 0.99

01:09:52.000 High level. 0.99

01:09:53.000 I'm more interested, actually.

01:09:54.000 High level.

01:09:54.000 Very high level.

01:09:56.000 If I can pay for my sex act with a Bitcoin. 0.98

01:09:58.000 Really smart girls, too, that show up. 1.00

01:10:00.000 They just see things differently.

01:10:02.000 I just think it's insane that you could pay people for massages.

01:10:06.000 You could pay people to do your nails.

01:10:09.000 You could get pedicures and manicures.

01:10:12.000 People do all sorts of stuff to you.

01:10:13.000 Wax you. 1.00

01:10:14.000 Just don't massage your dick. 1.00

01:10:17.000 It's crazy. 1.00

01:10:19.000 Honestly, I think it's this special distinction that religion is given. 0.83

01:10:24.000 Yeah, there's some consequences to sex.

01:10:26.000 There's potential pregnancy, but we've mostly eradicated that if you're really trying.

01:10:31.000 At least if you're trying, you can eradicate that issue.

01:10:33.000 And there's some diseases, so there's some consequences.

01:10:36.000 I get it.

01:10:36.000 I get it's a little different than a massage where you're less likely to get...

01:10:40.000 You know, anything of consequence. 1.00

01:10:41.000 Wear a condom, you filthy animal. 0.99

01:10:42.000 There's almost zero disease problems then. 0.99

01:10:44.000 But the amount of difference that people give that to.

01:10:47.000 Like, you imagine your girl getting massaged from a dude, and you're like, yeah, okay. 1.00

01:10:51.000 But then he massages her vagina. 1.00

01:10:53.000 Oh, man. 1.00

01:10:54.000 The stomach feels funny, and you want to puke, and you want to fight him, and you want to stab him in the throat for touching your girl's vagina. 1.00

01:11:03.000 And you just think how wet she probably was. 1.00

01:11:05.000 She couldn't believe how naughty this was.

01:11:07.000 She was probably leaking down the side of her legs. 0.98

01:11:10.000 Like, oh my gosh.

01:11:11.000 She probably came immediately. 1.00

01:11:13.000 As soon as his thumb just gently rubbed up against her asshole, she was like... 1.00

01:11:18.000 Toes spread out, her feet cramped up. 1.00

01:11:22.000 Jesus!

01:11:22.000 And everybody felt so naughty.

01:11:26.000 Naughty, naughty, naughty.

01:11:28.000 Terrible person. 0.99

01:11:30.000 Terrible rule breaker.

01:11:32.000 Violator of the trust.

01:11:35.000 It's so crazy, man. 0.99

01:11:36.000 We just gotta all look at each other and be like, we're all just fucking pleasure monkeys. 0.99

01:11:41.000 It's cool where you get your pleasure. 0.99

01:11:43.000 I'm not your pleasure dealer.

01:11:44.000 Let's love each other and just be cool.

01:11:47.000 Yeah, it's gonna take a little while.

01:11:49.000 They came close to that in the 60s for a while.

01:11:52.000 You know, I mean, you think about the difference between the 50s and the 60s. 0.98

01:11:54.000 Think about, like, the people in the 50s were, like, locked down, watching Hawaii Five-0 and shit. 0.78

01:11:59.000 Well, actually, that was probably the 60s. 0.97

01:12:01.000 Dragnet, that's what I was trying to think of. 0.99

01:12:02.000 Did you ever see the Dragnet thing, where Dragnet guy, Joe Friday, was talking to some fucking hippie, some goddamn hippie, and he's explaining to the hippie, How easy they have it and how lucky they should feel living in America today with all the people that have sacrificed so much to allow them to dress like silly people. 0.98

01:12:22.000 And it's so hilarious because it sounds like a person to... 0.99

01:12:25.000 This is it.

01:12:26.000 Like, listen to this. 0.99

01:12:27.000 Fat and selfish, and you're the first generation to come along that's felt dissatisfied. 0.95

01:12:30.000 They all have, you know, about different things, and most of them didn't have the same opportunity and freedoms that you do. 0.98

01:12:36.000 Let's talk poverty.

01:12:37.000 Most places in the world, that's not a problem.

01:12:39.000 It's a way of life.

01:12:40.000 And rights, they're liable to give you a blank stare because they may not know what you're talking about.

01:12:44.000 The fact is, more people are living better right here than anywhere else ever before in history.

01:12:49.000 So don't expect us to roll over and play dead when you say you're dissatisfied.

01:12:52.000 It's not perfect, but it's a great deal better than when we grew up.

01:12:55.000 A hundred men standing on the street hoping for one job.

01:12:57.000 The dudes are dressed impeccably. 0.98

01:12:59.000 First of all, Joe Friday's in a perfect, uh, I'm a fucking strictly business suit.

01:13:03.000 And the dudes who he's talking down to look like they're the dudes in the back of the Jimi Hendrix band that nobody can tell you their name.

01:13:13.000 I mean, there's like Jimi Hendrix and the dudes he was with. 0.96

01:13:15.000 And I'm sure if you're a fucking heavy-duty music head, you're mad at me right now. 0.96

01:13:19.000 I understand, but know this. 0.99

01:13:21.000 I'm a giant Jimi Hendrix fan, obviously.

01:13:24.000 Giant. 0.99

01:13:24.000 I don't know who the fuck he toured with. 0.99

01:13:26.000 I don't know who those dudes were. 0.99

01:13:28.000 I have no idea. 0.99

01:13:29.000 People, when they see other people having fun and they don't feel like they can get there, they want to shit on it. 0.99

01:13:34.000 Yeah, that's for sure. 1.00

01:13:35.000 That's like, look at having all this sex, getting high, they look happy as shit. 1.00

01:13:40.000 That's going to cause... 1.00

01:13:42.000 It's that resistance towards joining it that if they actually just relaxed and did it, they'd probably feel good, but they can't.

01:13:48.000 Somehow they feel like they can or they shouldn't or they won't.

01:13:51.000 So the reaction is to remove that thing, to squash that thing, to make it more like them so that it feels...

01:13:56.000 So they don't have that...

01:14:01.000 I think the lines are being blurred, though, between really hardcore, no-nonsense people, like a Joe Friday-type character.

01:14:14.000 The hippies those lines are getting like there's a lot of people that like go in weird Slots like how that guy get in that.

01:14:20.000 Oh, he's in a weird spot like he's kind of both of those things There's a lot of those people now that you can't really lock them down You can't say this is a right-wing person or a left-wing person.

01:14:28.000 There's a no-nonsense Discipline get-to-work person and this is a pothead and this is a guy likes to do mushrooms And this is a guy who gets up in the morning and runs.

01:14:37.000 They might be the same dude now There's a lot of crossover between people who are very disciplined, hard workers, but also experience pleasure and also understand that we are a temporary life form hurling through infinity. 0.96

01:14:52.000 Wake the fuck up and just have fun and enjoy this, because this is madness.

01:14:56.000 And it could very well be over at the blink of an eye. 0.99

01:15:00.000 A fucking giant rock the size of Pittsburgh can come flying out of the north and no one catches it until it's too late and it slams into the fucking polar ice cap and we're diggity diggity done. 0.99

01:15:11.000 We're done. 1.00

01:15:13.000 That's it.

01:15:13.000 It's a wrap.

01:15:14.000 There's like 50 of us left.

01:15:15.000 We eat each other.

01:15:16.000 You know, we turn into mice.

01:15:18.000 The only thing...

01:15:20.000 The only thing that's keeping us from engaging in all of these other forms we want to is this clinging to identity in these fear programs.

01:15:30.000 We ditch all that, then you just get wide open for everything else.

01:15:33.000 And it's not a new idea, like the idea of the warrior poet, the idea back then of someone who could go to battle, and like Musashi, who could...

01:15:41.000 Be the best swordsman and also be the best calligrapher and also a writer and also meditate and also, you know, have affairs and also do whatever, like passionate love affair, all of the things.

01:15:51.000 Like, at a certain point, people realize like, oh yeah, all the things is best.

01:15:55.000 And then at a certain point now in our culture, or at least getting to here, it was like you have to identify with this one thing.

01:16:02.000 And that's your thing.

01:16:03.000 And then you defend that thing. 0.99

01:16:04.000 And no, man, fucking enjoy all of it. 0.99

01:16:07.000 Well, what I realized from Musashi... 0.97

01:16:10.000 When I was I think I was In my teens when I read the book of five rings the first time What I realized is he was explaining this concept that was totally alien to me at the time as like an insecure teenager He was explaining this concept of To be balanced at anything,

01:16:29.000 to be at your best at anything, you have to have no loose ends.

01:16:33.000 You have to be loving, you have to be kind, you have to be an artist, you have to be creative, but you also have to be ruthless with your sword technique, and you have to be ruthless with your psychology and how you engage with your enemy.

01:16:47.000 I mean, he was a fascinating, fascinating guy.

01:16:50.000 He got bored fighting people with swords, so he started using ores.

01:16:54.000 From boats. 0.93

01:16:55.000 He started fucking people up with oars. 1.00

01:16:57.000 He's like, I'm just tired of fucking these bitches up with swords. 1.00

01:17:00.000 He killed 62 people in one-on-one combat with weapons. 1.00

01:17:05.000 Whoa! 0.71

01:17:06.000 And along the way, he developed this really intense, very rigid sort of guideline for maintaining the ultimate warrior spirit.

01:17:17.000 And that was a balanced perspective.

01:17:19.000 It was really weird.

01:17:20.000 Because I remember reading about that at the time. 0.97

01:17:23.000 I thought you just had to be a killer, man. 0.52

01:17:25.000 I thought you had to be like Roberto Duran when he was young. 0.99

01:17:29.000 You had to be just a savage.

01:17:31.000 That was the only way to be a good fighter. 0.97

01:17:32.000 You had to be a savage. 0.99

01:17:33.000 You had to be just someone who just came in just guns blazed and didn't give a fuck like Mike Tyson in the early days. 0.99

01:17:39.000 That was the only way to be successful. 0.99

01:17:40.000 That's what I thought.

01:17:41.000 And what he was saying is, no, you have to be a master of yourself.

01:17:45.000 A master of all aspects of yourself. 1.00

01:17:48.000 And there's no more terrifying form of combat than one-on-one with a fucking sword. 0.99

01:17:53.000 I mean, he was the master. 0.99

01:17:54.000 He was the guy that figured it out in a very strange time in Japanese history where he was a ronin just traveling around fucking killing people. 1.00

01:18:02.000 Yeah, I think, you know... 0.99

01:18:05.000 I think some of these times, when you look back, some of the philosophies that developed are even more advanced than ours because when you have a strong external pressure, like the likelihood of a sword battle to the death, that forms this point of resistance where you've got to cut out a lot of the bullshit. 0.98

01:18:21.000 All the bullshit. 0.85

01:18:22.000 You really have to look at the world in a different way. 1.00

01:18:26.000 Even when there was the threat of Yeah.

01:18:48.000 You know, that's not something that's in a lot of people's lives.

01:18:50.000 Still in some people's lives, for sure.

01:18:52.000 But, like, you're removed from these different things, and sports offer that in kind of a very controlled way.

01:18:58.000 But you take away all of these external pressures, and then it gets really squirrely, because you have nothing to define yourself against.

01:19:06.000 You don't have any resistance.

01:19:07.000 You're, like, lifting weights on the moon, and no matter what you try to do, you can't get a fucking squat right, because there's no gravity. 0.96

01:19:13.000 You know what I mean?

01:19:14.000 And so you have to go out and, I think, actively put yourself in situations that are going to challenge you, going to test you.

01:19:22.000 And it doesn't all have to be physical.

01:19:23.000 That's just one way in.

01:19:24.000 Find yourself in challenging mental situations.

01:19:26.000 Find yourself in challenging emotional situations, challenging physical situations.

01:19:31.000 That's what some people in crazy relationships do.

01:19:33.000 They start fights.

01:19:34.000 They build up.

01:19:37.000 Challenging emotional situations so they can escape them.

01:19:39.000 They make their own obstacle course to get through life.

01:19:42.000 No, you're totally right, man.

01:19:44.000 I think we're just experiencing like the safest time ever, you know, and we're sort of trying to find demons that don't exist instead of concentrating on the ones that do.

01:19:54.000 Yeah.

01:19:54.000 And that's to me, I think, you know, I mentioned a couple times that do, you know, if you're interested and want to tell that story, but about the time I did ayahuasca, because these plant medicines are that form of resistance.

01:20:05.000 It is a bit of a trial by fire.

01:20:07.000 You know, it's going to, you're going to confront yourself With some of the darkest, deepest fears and concerns that you have.

01:20:15.000 And that's the process by which it makes you better.

01:20:19.000 It's not a magic potion.

01:20:21.000 It's just like, here's resistance.

01:20:22.000 How are you going to respond?

01:20:24.000 And when you respond through that, you just get better from it.

01:20:28.000 You feel better.

01:20:29.000 I wonder with California, With this latest recreational marijuana law passed, I wonder how long it'll be before someone tries to do some sort of a psychedelic clinic, whether it's for addiction to opiates, 0.98

01:20:45.000 like an iboga, ibogaine clinic, or this kratom stuff, you know this shit? 0.94

01:20:54.000 What do you think about this? 0.99

01:20:55.000 Because I did a podcast with Chris Bell the other day.

01:20:58.000 He was trying to explain it to me.

01:21:00.000 To me, kratom in mild doses...

01:21:03.000 Is it kratom or is it kratom?

01:21:03.000 I don't know.

01:21:04.000 Kratom or kratom?

01:21:05.000 I'm not really sure.

01:21:06.000 I don't either.

01:21:07.000 In mild doses, it seems to be like a bit of an energy buzz.

01:21:12.000 And then in heavier doses, it seems to be more like a painkiller.

01:21:16.000 It's almost like a slightly euphoric but numbed sensation.

01:21:21.000 It's a really interesting plant.

01:21:22.000 Clearly, I don't think there's any reason for it to be illegal.

01:21:25.000 I haven't found personally a ton of value from it.

01:21:28.000 I find value in some other things, but...

01:21:30.000 The only thing I found disturbing is that I was getting a bunch of text messages from people, or tweets rather, from people that were telling me that they had some addictive experiences with it.

01:21:39.000 That it was very addictive to them.

01:21:42.000 So I don't know if that's true or not.

01:21:44.000 I also don't know where you're getting it and what's in it.

01:21:48.000 You know, I don't...

01:21:50.000 I don't exactly know how pure this stuff is.

01:21:52.000 This is a retail version of it.

01:21:55.000 The guy who sells it came with Chris.

01:21:57.000 I trust that.

01:21:58.000 But if you're buying it from a dealer, which is essentially what a lot of people had to do for a long time, I'm not exactly sure what you're getting.

01:22:06.000 Yeah, it's coming from Indonesia or wherever it's from.

01:22:09.000 I would like to see some real tests done.

01:22:11.000 Because to me, I tried it.

01:22:12.000 I was like, this is like a mild stimulant.

01:22:14.000 It kind of feels okay.

01:22:16.000 It doesn't feel bad.

01:22:17.000 Yeah.

01:22:18.000 You know, it's interesting.

01:22:18.000 Once you open the doors to that scientific method with these plants...

01:22:23.000 You find amazing results, and I think that's what we're seeing in this revolution of understanding of psychedelics.

01:22:28.000 Like, I just read and tweeted about a study on both psilocybin and MDMA for, like, social angst and social anxiety, you know, which are one of the things, like, you think of the classic school shooter syndrome, you know, it's this feeling of being excluded from your tribe, excluded from the social situation and the angst and anxiety and all of the medications that are prescribed for these different feelings of feeling like you're not part of the group.

01:22:51.000 Well, they wanted to test that.

01:22:53.000 With both MDMA and with psilocybin.

01:22:56.000 And they found that it was effective with both, but differently.

01:22:59.000 So they created this game called Cyberball, right?

01:23:01.000 Where they had what seemed like just random other test subjects all in a circle with a ball.

01:23:07.000 But really it was researchers and then one test subject.

01:23:10.000 And so to create social anxiety, they would play this game of catch and just not pass the ball hardly ever to the test subject. 0.99

01:23:17.000 So we'd feel eventually like, man, what the fuck? 0.98

01:23:20.000 Why aren't these people passing me the ball? 0.99

01:23:22.000 Like, what's wrong with me?

01:23:24.000 And so they tapped into some, and they would test that at baseline as placebo, right?

01:23:28.000 The angst and the kind of concern of like, man, what's wrong with me?

01:23:31.000 Why do these people not want to give you the ball?

01:23:33.000 And then they tested a baseline for placebo, gave them whatever placebo they were using.

01:23:37.000 And then they tested it with psilocybin.

01:23:39.000 And what they found with psilocybin was that it dramatically reduced their amount of anxiety, their angst, their stress about not giving the ball.

01:23:48.000 They were just looking at them like, man, look at these people.

01:23:50.000 They just don't want to pass me the ball.

01:23:52.000 That's cool.

01:23:54.000 But they could accurately tell.

01:23:56.000 Now, MDMA also reduced the social anxiety, but in a different way.

01:24:00.000 The people who are on MDMA thought they were getting the ball all the time.

01:24:06.000 Like they had no idea that they weren't getting the ball.

01:24:08.000 They're like, oh man, I got passed through all the time.

01:24:11.000 It was amazing.

01:24:11.000 They loved me.

01:24:12.000 Oh, that's funny.

01:24:12.000 They're just loving other people catching the ball.

01:24:15.000 Yeah.

01:24:16.000 Oh, I'm so happy for you, man.

01:24:18.000 You caught it.

01:24:18.000 Oh, you threw it.

01:24:19.000 He got it.

01:24:19.000 Hey, I'm happy for you too, dude.

01:24:22.000 Really interesting.

01:24:23.000 Yeah, I think MDMA could be extremely beneficial to anybody.

01:24:26.000 At least one trip.

01:24:28.000 I just found the only trip that I did, I was like, this is really, you can learn something from this.

01:24:33.000 Well, it's also, you know, like mescaline, which comes in both Wachuma, the San Pedro cactus, and peyote, is also a serotonergic kind of psychedelic.

01:24:42.000 So similar to MDMA in that way?

01:24:44.000 Very similar.

01:24:45.000 Yeah, I mean, MDMA is, you know, like a more pharmaceutical approach to elevating serotonin and that feeling that is associated with serotonin in your body, whereas, you know, the mescaline-derived psychedelics I think that's great for a situation like MAPS is testing with PTSD and certain other kinds of situations because it's very reproducible.

01:25:14.000 It's very like clinical reaction of what's going to happen in the brain.

01:25:18.000 Whereas something like Wachuma It gives you this overwhelming experience, but it's woven in with all kinds of other different things.

01:25:26.000 I think the problem really wholly resides in the fact that these drugs are illegal.

01:25:29.000 Because if they weren't illegal, we would look at them as like, wow, this might be solutions for people suffering from PTSD, from this, from that.

01:25:37.000 Social anxiety.

01:25:38.000 Social anxiety.

01:25:39.000 And also, it kind of gives your brain a chance to almost detach, like a lens that detaches from the camera, get a look at the inner workings of the thing, and then before you put it back on, you kind of get a better understanding of it.

01:25:52.000 There's a detachment that MDMA has from some of the nonsense you've carried around with you, like clothes, that you've just worn it your whole life. 0.99

01:26:02.000 You don't realize it's bullshit until you take something that makes you go, like, this is all so ridiculous. 0.92

01:26:08.000 Well, what I think, you know, talking to the psychologists and psychiatrists of why it's so beneficial is we all carry a lot of trauma. 0.99

01:26:14.000 We all carry these things from our past that are these stories.

01:26:17.000 And I think that was another thing.

01:26:19.000 I keep talking about the Jordan Peterson podcast, but he talked about that self-authoring program, which is rewriting these stories.

01:26:24.000 Well, he was talking about actually writing it.

01:26:26.000 But what MDMA is doing for people with PTSD and with anybody is it's going back and looking at all of these traumatic things in our history, in our past, which is also one of the things that in the studies that they're showing, they have a psychologist, psychiatrist, who's guiding people back to these potential traumatic events.

01:26:44.000 But when you're flooded with serotonin, you see things in a totally different perspective.

01:26:48.000 You see things from the vantage point of love and it's all good.

01:26:52.000 So no matter what, you know, situation came about, you'll see that kind of higher perspective rather than that fear response, that kind of cringing that creates more fear and more trauma.

01:27:02.000 You look at it and you're able to relax, see it and say, man, that was pretty horrible.

01:27:06.000 But you know what?

01:27:07.000 It's okay.

01:27:08.000 I'm still okay.

01:27:09.000 I still have these bright things.

01:27:10.000 And you re-pattern that traumatic experience.

01:27:14.000 So when you go to draw that back up from your past, you're drawing up a different recategorized experience.

01:27:20.000 You're rewriting the software that's always rewritable, like those rewritable floppy disks.

01:27:26.000 You take that thing out, you rewrite it with a whole different hue of your neurochemicals and the feelings that are surrounding it.

01:27:33.000 And then when you access it again, or when it's just carrying around in your We're good to go.

01:27:56.000 Well, hey, that's actually what made you so ambitious and so strong.

01:27:59.000 And this traumatic thing that you thought was so horrible, it actually brought out all these other benefits.

01:28:04.000 And it was actually, you know, if you really see from the person who, the perpetrator's perspective, you know, look at all the sadness that created that.

01:28:10.000 Look at where he was coming from.

01:28:12.000 So you re-pattern that traumatic event, and then it's not carrying that same dramatic, terrible weight, that lifeless body that you're trying to carry around.

01:28:21.000 It's just been rewritten.

01:28:23.000 There's also the perspective that who you are, like as a person right now, is an accumulative effect of all your experiences.

01:28:30.000 That's what makes you who you are.

01:28:31.000 Well, if you have some mind-blowing experience, which is what a psychedelic experience is, you're gonna change.

01:28:38.000 You're gonna be a different person.

01:28:40.000 I mean it might be a Microscopic shift of the dial like if you had a safe and you were click click click click It might be like one click click like after a psychedelic experience and then you might have another psychedelic experience You might get a double click click click, you know, but it's very small movements, right?

01:28:55.000 But ultimately you're a different person.

01:28:57.000 So if it's a small movement that New experience has given you a chance to sort of mock the things that were threatening you just momentarily.

01:29:06.000 Totally.

01:29:06.000 Just a few moments ago, just four hours ago before you took the mushrooms.

01:29:10.000 You're like, God, why was I worried about that?

01:29:12.000 That's nothing.

01:29:12.000 Like, it gives you that opportunity because you're literally a different person now.

01:29:16.000 You've had this experience. 1.00

01:29:18.000 The fucking problem is they're illegal. 0.99

01:29:20.000 If they weren't illegal, you'd be able to, because that's the big fear, right? 1.00

01:29:23.000 How do I know what I'm taking?

01:29:24.000 Of course, how do you know what you're taking? 1.00

01:29:26.000 You don't fucking know. 0.99

01:29:27.000 You don't know because Big Daddy Pharma has paid off the fucking Big Daddy government to keep it out of your greasy little hands. 1.00

01:29:34.000 So you can't trip balls and live in the woods like a fucking pixie. 1.00

01:29:38.000 The beautiful thing is, though, it's coming. 1.00

01:29:40.000 I think so.

01:29:41.000 As soon as they open the doors to clinical research, it's an undeniable force.

01:29:46.000 You cannot deny the evidence that's coming back from the MAPS phase 2 clinical trials.

01:29:51.000 You cannot deny the evidence coming out of Johns Hopkins and these other research institutes about psilocybin.

01:29:57.000 They are helping people with conditions and you just follow the scientific method all the way through and all the plants are going to arrive.

01:30:05.000 We're going to get them all home. 1.00

01:30:06.000 We gotta get Trump on drugs.

01:30:07.000 That's what we gotta do.

01:30:08.000 For sure.

01:30:08.000 We gotta get the new president to do DMT. If we got him to do DMT, it would change so much.

01:30:14.000 Or just a little dose of mushrooms, bro.

01:30:16.000 You don't even have to get crazy.

01:30:18.000 Take a gram and a half.

01:30:19.000 Just a gram and a half for a little reset.

01:30:20.000 Just a little reset.

01:30:21.000 Just a little sit back and a little, wow, what are we doing here?

01:30:24.000 What are we doing here?

01:30:26.000 Exactly!

01:30:26.000 What are we doing here?

01:30:28.000 I just think...

01:30:30.000 This is a unique and special time.

01:30:32.000 And as long as we can be aware, and as long as we verbalize that, we say it all the time, this is a unique and special time.

01:30:41.000 Let's capitalize on this unique and special time.

01:30:43.000 Let's use this unique and special time to establish a new understanding for this generation and to set things up way better for the next generation.

01:30:53.000 Dude, my parents, I'm older than you, my parents were essentially raised by barbarians. 1.00

01:30:59.000 They came over on a fucking boat. 0.99

01:31:02.000 They had no idea what was over here. 1.00

01:31:04.000 You know, their parents did it, really.

01:31:06.000 My grandparents' parents did it.

01:31:07.000 They came over from Italy and from Ireland. 0.96

01:31:10.000 They were savages, man.

01:31:12.000 They were hardly different from the people that came over on the boats during the pilgrim days.

01:31:15.000 They were barbarians.

01:31:17.000 They just had a little bit more culture, a little bit more language, a little bit more this. 1.00

01:31:20.000 They beat the shit out of their wives. 1.00

01:31:22.000 They were always drunk. 1.00

01:31:23.000 They were monsters, a lot of them. 1.00

01:31:25.000 They're just crazy people scratching and clawing. 0.82

01:31:28.000 Their understanding of life during the Ed Sullivan Show, their understanding of what the world was really all about, is so far removed from the average 20-year-old with an internet account who can go on YouTube. 0.98

01:31:40.000 As long as he stays away from those Flat Earth videos, he's gonna have a real good understanding of how this motherfucker works, and a way better understanding than any grown adult with children did in the 1950s, when my parents were kids. 0.99

01:31:52.000 There's no fucking way! 1.00

01:31:54.000 You can't compete! 0.99

01:31:55.000 So I think that we have this unique opportunity to set up the future of society where all of this silliness that we still have to deal with, like the WikiLeaks email that came out about Hillary Clinton that said that she opposes marijuana, quote, in every sense of the word.

01:32:12.000 You can't do that anymore.

01:32:13.000 You can't do that anymore. 0.99

01:32:14.000 That, to me, that people were still willing to support that, like, this is better than him, he grabs pussies. 0.99

01:32:20.000 Are you sure it's better? 0.99

01:32:22.000 Because I don't know if it's better.

01:32:24.000 I think the whole thing's a mess.

01:32:26.000 You can't have people stopping pot and go, oh, it's all about the pot with you.

01:32:30.000 It's all about freedom.

01:32:32.000 And anybody that wants to stop pot, they can stop sex. 1.00

01:32:35.000 They can stop whatever the fuck you want to do that they decide they can profit off of you not doing that. 0.99

01:32:40.000 And you think they can't stop sex. 1.00

01:32:41.000 Look what religion did to sex. 0.99

01:32:43.000 Sure. 0.96

01:32:43.000 Right? 0.96

01:32:44.000 Look how many people were burned for their sexual practices at the stake, literally.

01:32:48.000 Like, you can ban absolutely everything.

01:32:51.000 There's laws on the books that are throwing people in jail for homosexuality that'll flare up still now. 0.98

01:32:56.000 Like, in different places of the world where they'll kill people for sex.

01:33:00.000 So, it's not that that hasn't even been tried.

01:33:03.000 The ability, the monstrous nature of humans to be able to impose those restrictions on people, the sovereignty of their own consciousness and their own body. 0.91

01:33:12.000 You can only ejaculate this way.

01:33:13.000 You can only expand your consciousness in these manners. 0.99

01:33:17.000 Women can't drive. 1.00

01:33:18.000 They have to dress like genies. 0.80

01:33:19.000 They have to cover themselves like I've dreamed of genie.

01:33:23.000 So wild. 1.00

01:33:25.000 But it's like we gotta discard all that shit. 1.00

01:33:28.000 And this idea that these pastors have more knowledge than someone who just spent a few days out in the woods doing mushrooms. 0.99

01:33:36.000 Like, are you sure?

01:33:38.000 Who should you be following?

01:33:39.000 Well, the one dude who took the photo from heaven, he's got a lock.

01:33:41.000 Yeah, he is.

01:33:42.000 He's got a photo.

01:33:44.000 There was a story that was out just a couple days ago about some woman in Indonesia that received 100 lashes for being around a man, being too close to a man.

01:33:52.000 There was a bunch of people that were publicly flogged for sex crimes, but there were sex crimes as innocuous as a woman was too close to a man. 0.99

01:34:01.000 Like, they gave her like 90 lashes or some crazy shit. 0.99

01:34:04.000 And all the little boners underneath the fucking robes from the people who were lashing the woman. 1.00

01:34:09.000 Yeah, here it is. 1.00

01:34:10.000 Student gets a hundred lashes for sex outside marriage in Indonesia. 0.67

01:34:13.000 So he got a hundred lashes and there was another one about a woman. 0.99

01:34:15.000 That dude looks just like It's like the male dudes in that fucking sex BDSM dungeon porn from San Francisco where they took that old prison out and they all fucking dressed like that and locking people up. 0.99

01:34:26.000 It's the same dude. 1.00

01:34:27.000 He just gets to do it in public.

01:34:29.000 Oh, it's even extra kinky. 1.00

01:34:30.000 I get to whip people in fucking public. 1.00

01:34:32.000 She was flogged with a rattan cane. 1.00

01:34:34.000 Did you say a rattan?

01:34:35.000 How do you say it?

01:34:36.000 Rattan cane?

01:34:37.000 Rattan, yeah.

01:34:37.000 At least seven times for being in close proximity to a man.

01:34:42.000 So they beat her with a cane seven times for being in close proximity to a man.

01:34:47.000 The 32-year-old male who was with her was also flogged seven times.

01:34:51.000 It's interesting.

01:34:53.000 Look at how the sentence is structured.

01:34:55.000 The 34-year-old woman was flogged with a rat and cane at least seven times, being in close proximity to a man. 1.00

01:34:59.000 That's the har.

01:35:00.000 The 32-year-old male who was with her was also flagged seven times.

01:35:04.000 It's not the man and the woman were both flagged seven times each. 0.75

01:35:08.000 It's like the woman, har upon har, this beautiful young woman was flogged because she had sex with a man, or because she was close to a man. 1.00

01:35:15.000 The dude was flogged too, but fuck him. 1.00

01:35:18.000 You know? 1.00

01:35:18.000 And the woman, it hurt so bad, the woman said. 1.00

01:35:22.000 She cited AFP raising her arms in the air.

01:35:25.000 What about the dude?

01:35:26.000 The dude, they didn't even ask him.

01:35:27.000 They didn't even ask the dude. 1.00

01:35:29.000 Fuck him! 1.00

01:35:29.000 He's a dude, that fucking cisgendered asshole with his male privilege, his white, he's probably white, in Indonesia. 1.00

01:35:37.000 They probably would have given him a hundred if he was black. 1.00

01:35:41.000 Yeah, man. 0.87

01:35:42.000 I went to the Dungeon of the Inquisition in Italy, and that changed my whole perspective on everything.

01:35:48.000 Put that back up.

01:35:49.000 Listen to this one.

01:35:50.000 Go back to where you were.

01:35:52.000 Here we go.

01:35:52.000 Look at this.

01:35:53.000 No, no, no.

01:35:56.000 Jamie doesn't know how to do the internet.

01:35:59.000 Okay, a man found guilty of sex outside the marriage was also flogged at least 22 times by the person delivering the punishment who was dressed in long robes and a hood.

01:36:10.000 His partner, who is two months pregnant, is still waiting for her fate to be decided.

01:36:15.000 Wow, she's pregnant and they're going to decide her fate. 0.97

01:36:20.000 Whoa.

01:36:20.000 In such situations, officials in the province usually order the flogging of the woman after they give birth.

01:36:26.000 Holy shit. 1.00

01:36:29.000 Holy shit. 1.00

01:36:31.000 That's Indonesia in 2016. That is... 0.99

01:36:34.000 Holy shit, that's scary. 1.00

01:36:36.000 That is just what happens when people decide what the rules are. 0.99

01:36:40.000 You can't let people decide the rules.

01:36:42.000 And have false metaphysical underpinnings.

01:36:46.000 Have that underpinning that that's someone who deserves that kind of punishment.

01:36:50.000 You know, have that...

01:36:51.000 You know, you lose the idea, those fundamental things.

01:36:54.000 That's me living a different life.

01:36:56.000 Would I want to do that to me?

01:36:57.000 Like, do you understand the actual truth of the urges that that person had and the truth of everything?

01:37:02.000 You start turning everything on its head and then you get these crazy rules and abilities.

01:37:06.000 Like, and it's not just Indonesia. 0.68

01:37:07.000 Like, I went to the dungeon of the Inquisition in Italy and it was so much fucking darker than a cane.

01:37:13.000 Did you feel it when you were in the room? 0.91

01:37:14.000 For sure. 1.00

01:37:15.000 It was nauseating, especially when you start seeing that 60% of these fucking things have to do with your genitals. 1.00

01:37:21.000 Like burning rods they're shoving in dickholes and assholes. 1.00

01:37:25.000 But it's all for Jesus. 1.00

01:37:26.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:37:27.000 For Jesus.

01:37:29.000 Like the absolute antithesis of the Jesus message when you really look at it mystically, like from the metaphysical truths of what he's espousing.

01:37:39.000 And then somehow they go from that to that.

01:37:41.000 And I think it's again, it's like that incremental creep.

01:37:45.000 Towards a little bit harsher punishments, a little bit more sadistic.

01:37:49.000 And you get more and more and more, and you start feeding that urge for sadism, that urge to not only punish somebody, but to do it in the most horrifying way.

01:38:00.000 And that's part of human nature.

01:38:02.000 Well, you know about the Stanford Prison Experiment.

01:38:04.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:38:05.000 If you haven't heard about that, folks, look it up.

01:38:08.000 It's a really interesting story.

01:38:10.000 They had these students, and these college students at Stanford, they put them through this experiment where some of them were guards and some of them were prisoners, and the guards almost immediately started abusing the prisoners. 0.95

01:38:23.000 They fucking canceled it. 0.98

01:38:25.000 They had to cancel it. 0.99

01:38:26.000 They had to stop it short.

01:38:29.000 Yeah, and I think, you know, the problem is that we all try to bury these thoughts, these darker thoughts that we have.

01:38:37.000 You know, like all of us inside of us, you look at times of war and, you know, whole armies that would go, part of why they would go on these contrasts was for rape.

01:38:46.000 We all think of ourselves as men now.

01:38:49.000 Like, man, I would never be capable of doing anything, hurting anybody else. 0.99

01:38:53.000 But inside our genetics, inside the things that was passed along our lineage, were warrior cultures that probably produced our fucking ancestors through rape. 0.99

01:39:01.000 That's part of every individual, these dark thoughts. 0.99

01:39:05.000 It feels somehow good to hurt somebody else.

01:39:08.000 And the fact that we deny those entirely, they become monsters.

01:39:12.000 Whereas if you just acknowledge and like...

01:39:14.000 Look at them and say, man, I'm all the bad stuff.

01:39:16.000 I'm all the good stuff.

01:39:18.000 It's all good.

01:39:19.000 What am I going to choose to do?

01:39:20.000 You know, what do I want to put out in the world? 0.67

01:39:23.000 And I think that's a really important, important facet to recognize that, you know, we're all we're all fucked up, you know, but it's our choice that decides, you know, who we really are and what we want to bring into the world.

01:39:34.000 Are we going to make this amazing video game a better place, a better game? 0.77

01:39:38.000 Are we going to make it miserable for everybody we encounter?

01:39:41.000 I've always wondered about mob rules.

01:39:44.000 I've always wondered about the mob mentality.

01:39:47.000 What is that?

01:39:48.000 Where's that coming from?

01:39:49.000 Is that like an acceptance of war? 1.00

01:39:52.000 I wonder if that's some sort of a survival mechanism where you're able to do horrific shit as long as everybody around you is doing horrific shit. 0.99

01:39:59.000 All of a sudden, the collective mindset shifts. 0.99

01:40:03.000 And new rules apply.

01:40:04.000 Like if people are coming over the fence and y'all have axes and you're coming at them, you're doing things you would never do on a daily basis.

01:40:10.000 You're hacking off arms and attacking people.

01:40:12.000 And once it's real, it's real, right? 1.00

01:40:14.000 Once the first guy gets an arrow through the fucking head and you see the shit going down, like you're swinging and it's all going crazy. 1.00

01:40:20.000 And everyone around you is doing the same thing. 1.00

01:40:21.000 And no one, no one could go, guys, guys, seriously, what are we doing?

01:40:26.000 Let's stop here and let's realize we can all get along.

01:40:29.000 There's plenty of vegetables for everybody.

01:40:30.000 Let's stop the raping. 0.97

01:40:31.000 Get to know these girls. 1.00

01:40:32.000 They'd cut your fucking head off and light your house on fire and stab your mom. 1.00

01:40:37.000 They would go crazy. 1.00

01:40:38.000 I mean, that's what they did.

01:40:39.000 Yeah, blood lust.

01:40:41.000 There's a something, a thing.

01:40:43.000 There's a something that happens.

01:40:45.000 There's a thing that happens to people.

01:40:47.000 When you have that mob mentality.

01:40:49.000 You could probably look at like Steve, someone like Steven Kotler can probably tell you more about the, you know, the adrenaline and neurochemical response that's creating this version of yourself that's like supercharged on these certain things.

01:41:01.000 So your empathy, you know, your empathy ratings go way down.

01:41:05.000 It's like you're looking at the Westworld control board, right?

01:41:07.000 And it's like empathy ratings way down, aggression way up, like all of these different neurochemicals that are changing, like literally changing yourself.

01:41:16.000 Into something that is much more favorable for those actions, right?

01:41:21.000 You know, yeah, but it creates a collective mindset It's like the individual because like what's one of the things you hear all the time about war is the really noble heroic warriors who sacrifice themselves to save others like it's one of the main Themes that we love hearing about like the guy who dives on the grenade to save his people to save the guys who are around him like that is something that happens in that crazy That crazy environment of that intensity of life.

01:41:49.000 It's one of the weirder things about it, man, is how many people who go through that say it was the best time of their life and they'd love to go back.

01:41:56.000 Well, presents, man.

01:41:58.000 I really think that any time you're present, it's some of the best time of your life.

01:42:04.000 Not like Christmas presents.

01:42:05.000 When you're just present, you're in flow state when you're in war, because part of it is that intense threat.

01:42:12.000 You don't have time to think about your emails. 1.00

01:42:14.000 That incessant voice from your phone to check Instagram is not in your fucking head. 1.00

01:42:19.000 You're in war. 1.00

01:42:21.000 Unless some girl's been DMing you and you're like, damn, it's going down. 1.00

01:42:26.000 We're meeting up tonight. 0.98

01:42:27.000 For sure.

01:42:28.000 And I think probably at a certain level of, like, Tim Kennedy, he might have those thoughts.

01:42:32.000 Like, it's just so calm for him.

01:42:34.000 Well, it's the Musashi thing. 0.95

01:42:36.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:42:37.000 That's probably why he actually started having to fight with oars, because at a certain point with the sword, he probably wasn't even getting the same feeling anymore.

01:42:44.000 It probably didn't even feel like a sword battle.

01:42:46.000 It was like a sparring match when you know you're going 20% and you're all relaxed and shit, rather than when you're just knowing, like, all right, these people are coming for me.

01:42:55.000 It's a different kind of mental state that you get in. 0.97

01:42:58.000 And maybe, you know, the or thing was like, all right, I'm just not feeling it.

01:43:01.000 I'm too good.

01:43:01.000 Well, he actually realized, too, that the oar had a much longer reach.

01:43:05.000 Yeah.

01:43:05.000 And so he was cracking dudes in the head from the outside.

01:43:08.000 So there was actually a good strategic element to the oar.

01:43:11.000 And I'm pretty sure he whittled the oar down.

01:43:14.000 And he would show up super late, too.

01:43:16.000 That was his other thing.

01:43:17.000 The dudes would be so tired.

01:43:19.000 They'd be just freaking, oh, my God, am I going to die tonight?

01:43:21.000 Am I going to die?

01:43:22.000 They'd be thinking of that for hours, and then finally he shows up.

01:43:24.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:43:25.000 But back then, I mean, what do they have, fucking sundials on their wrists? 1.00

01:43:28.000 How do you even know what time it was? 0.99

01:43:29.000 Yeah, you could definitely get away with a lot more. 0.99

01:43:31.000 Yeah, there's a lot of wiggle room for fucking dawn. 1.00

01:43:34.000 What's dawn to you, bro? 0.99

01:43:36.000 Midday, too. 1.00

01:43:37.000 Midday is a real fucker. 1.00

01:43:38.000 Yeah, midday. 0.99

01:43:39.000 We're supposed to meet at midday.

01:43:40.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:43:41.000 High noon.

01:43:42.000 Come on, man.

01:43:43.000 What does that even mean?

01:43:44.000 Yeah.

01:43:45.000 Unless you're around a sundial.

01:43:47.000 Yeah, and even that seems like it'd be hard to get that right.

01:43:50.000 Nobody had that on their wrist.

01:43:51.000 That was only the Flintstones.

01:43:52.000 Oh, okay. 1.00

01:43:53.000 Shit! 1.00

01:43:54.000 The Flintstones had that on their wrist, remember? 1.00

01:43:57.000 They had a fucking sundial. 0.99

01:43:58.000 That's hilarious. 1.00

01:44:00.000 I wonder who the first dude with a watch that he carried around.

01:44:03.000 What a pimp that guy must have been.

01:44:04.000 Did you say what time it is? 1.00

01:44:06.000 Clap, motherfucker! 1.00

01:44:07.000 Shit! 1.00

01:44:08.000 He opens it up like a coffin. 1.00

01:44:10.000 Flava Flav size, hanging from his neck.

01:44:14.000 Let's just guess.

01:44:15.000 When was the first pocket watch created?

01:44:19.000 I'm going to say 1600s.

01:44:22.000 Is that ambitious?

01:44:24.000 I say 1712. Ooh, very specific.

01:44:27.000 Jamie?

01:44:28.000 Very specific.

01:44:29.000 It's like Price is Right, right?

01:44:30.000 The very first pocket watch. 1.00

01:44:32.000 If you have a pocket watch today, by the way, you're an asshole. 1.00

01:44:34.000 If it's hanging from your vest on a string and you're drinking handmade beer, you piece of shit. 1.00

01:44:39.000 Stop using mustache wax. 1.00

01:44:42.000 Stop dressing like you live in a different time zone.

01:44:48.000 Look at those brothers, those brothers that used to, everybody drank out of mason jars and all the wood was raw.

01:44:53.000 All their commercials, like, they're all wearing spats. 1.00

01:44:57.000 Damn. 1.00

01:44:58.000 1504, wow. 1.00

01:44:59.000 People are way smarter than I give them credit.

01:45:01.000 Wow, we were both off by, I was off by over 100 years, too.

01:45:04.000 Don't work for 40 hours, though.

01:45:06.000 Good enough, dude.

01:45:07.000 Why are you so picky?

01:45:08.000 40 hours is a whole week.

01:45:09.000 You can use it for the week for working.

01:45:12.000 Huh.

01:45:13.000 They were small enough to be worn around the neck or carried in a bag or pocket.

01:45:17.000 Interesting.

01:45:18.000 Did they have a photo of one of those?

01:45:19.000 Did one of those still exist today?

01:45:23.000 See if it still exists.

01:45:24.000 You're a gangster because you get a statue made out of you if you invent the pocket watch. 1.00

01:45:27.000 Yeah, you're a dope motherfucker. 1.00

01:45:29.000 Because he didn't know, but that was what led to the Apple Watch. 1.00

01:45:31.000 He didn't know at the time.

01:45:32.000 It's going to be you can never get away.

01:45:34.000 Is that what it looked like?

01:45:37.000 Mmm.

01:45:38.000 I wonder.

01:45:39.000 You think you'd just slap that thing out on the table if you're trying to impress a girl? 1.00

01:45:42.000 Fuck yeah! 1.00

01:45:43.000 Just this giant, giant gold column. 1.00

01:45:45.000 It's like Ferrari keys.

01:45:47.000 Look at that thing. 0.92

01:45:48.000 Yeah, Ferrari keys never stay in the pocket, right?

01:45:50.000 You're bringing those things out always.

01:45:52.000 He's wearing like a ring.

01:45:52.000 Spin them around your finger.

01:45:54.000 Wow, look at the mechanism in that thing. 1.00

01:45:55.000 Holy shit, man. 0.99

01:45:57.000 That's gorgeous. 0.99

01:45:58.000 That's a thing that people super dork out about, man, is handmade watches.

01:46:03.000 Yeah.

01:46:04.000 I didn't...

01:46:04.000 I had no idea.

01:46:05.000 My friend Mark Delagrate...

01:46:07.000 You know Mark Delagrate.

01:46:08.000 Mark Delagrate's a watch nut.

01:46:10.000 So is Anthony Giordano. 1.00

01:46:12.000 What a fucking coincidence. 0.99

01:46:14.000 Two guineas. 0.99

01:46:15.000 Two shiny guineas.

01:46:17.000 Yeah.

01:46:19.000 I really watch nuts.

01:46:22.000 Anthony was telling me that there's...

01:46:23.000 Anthony's the guy who's directed all my...

01:46:25.000 except one of my comedy specials.

01:46:27.000 I love that dude.

01:46:28.000 He directs UFC too.

01:46:29.000 He told me that there's watches that are half a million bucks.

01:46:34.000 I go, what?

01:46:34.000 That's insane.

01:46:35.000 For a watch?

01:46:36.000 I go, it looks like a regular watch?

01:46:38.000 It looks like a regular watch.

01:46:39.000 I go, what's the deal?

01:46:40.000 It's really rare.

01:46:42.000 It's very accurate.

01:46:43.000 The mechanism is super complex.

01:46:44.000 It's all handmade.

01:46:46.000 It takes like six months to make one.

01:46:47.000 I'm like, what?

01:46:48.000 It takes six months to make a watch.

01:46:50.000 You know, look at this one.

01:46:52.000 219,000?

01:46:53.000 Oh my God.

01:46:54.000 What is that?

01:46:55.000 What does it look like?

01:46:57.000 That's it?

01:46:58.000 That's definitely not it.

01:46:59.000 Oh my God, that is it.

01:47:01.000 It looks like a transformer.

01:47:02.000 Click on that.

01:47:03.000 It looks like a Cobra.

01:47:03.000 That's what it looks like.

01:47:06.000 Oh.

01:47:06.000 It's probably loading still.

01:47:08.000 See how it's spinning up on the right top?

01:47:10.000 I don't know.

01:47:10.000 It's just not coming up, huh?

01:47:11.000 It should be loaded fast.

01:47:13.000 Wow, though. 1.00

01:47:14.000 Holy shit. 0.98

01:47:15.000 Click on the image. 0.97

01:47:15.000 Just click on the image instead of the link. 0.97

01:47:18.000 What the fuck, man? 0.99

01:47:19.000 $219,000 for the ugliest watch you've ever worn. 1.00

01:47:24.000 But everybody's gonna know it's $200,000.

01:47:27.000 That's the rub, son.

01:47:29.000 I, uh, Hublot, it's funny, so my buddy Bodhi was sponsored by them, and he got a bunch of watches.

01:47:35.000 And he just doesn't care about watches, so they were just, like, in the drawer with, like, the regular other stuff.

01:47:39.000 And I finally convinced him to...

01:47:42.000 What?

01:47:43.000 To give me one.

01:47:43.000 And it's sweet, but it's not like a big deal.

01:47:46.000 Dude, that thing's disgusting. 1.00

01:47:47.000 That thing is ridiculous. 1.00

01:47:48.000 That is so ugly. 1.00

01:47:49.000 It's like a safe vault.

01:47:50.000 That looks like they were selling it at Best Buy in the line before you leave where they have the candy.

01:47:54.000 They got that design from Sharper Image.

01:47:56.000 For sure from Sharper Image.

01:47:58.000 That is so ugly. 1.00

01:48:00.000 That is such a weird looking stupid watch. 1.00

01:48:03.000 Look at that guy, he's so psyched. 1.00

01:48:04.000 Look at my watch, bitch! 1.00

01:48:05.000 I'm rich, bitch! 1.00

01:48:07.000 Look at his yellow eyes like the dude from Sin City. 1.00

01:48:11.000 Rich, bitch! 1.00

01:48:12.000 He's so happy. 1.00

01:48:13.000 He's going to jump in his Ferrari and take it to his private jet and get his dick sucked all the way to Monaco. 1.00

01:48:21.000 That probably happened. 1.00

01:48:23.000 Look at those fucking ugly watches, man. 1.00

01:48:25.000 They're so gross. 1.00

01:48:26.000 Look at the one with the guy's wrist in the upper right-hand corner, Jamie. 0.89

01:48:29.000 Up there, yeah. 1.00

01:48:30.000 Look how big that stupid thing is. 1.00

01:48:32.000 Definitely needs to be bigger. 1.00

01:48:34.000 It looks like an alien locked onto that dude's wrist.

01:48:38.000 Like some alien bug. 1.00

01:48:40.000 Like the running man fucking... 1.00

01:48:42.000 The neck piece that would explode, if you will, in a certain zone. 1.00

01:48:46.000 Looks like that watch might just clamp down and remove your hand. 0.54

01:48:50.000 Just blow your hand off. 0.62

01:48:51.000 Boom! 0.99

01:48:52.000 Squirt, squirt, squirt. 1.00

01:48:54.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:48:55.000 Fuck that watch. 1.00

01:48:57.000 $219,000. 1.00

01:48:58.000 That's so stupid. 1.00

01:49:00.000 It's ugly. 1.00

01:49:01.000 This watch costs like 200 bucks. 0.99

01:49:03.000 Well, just another way to subtly shit on people. 0.99

01:49:06.000 It's weird, man. 0.99

01:49:07.000 Just show your status, your identity, and blah, blah, blah.

01:49:11.000 It's these games, the games that we like to play to push to what Jordan was saying, like create that temporary inequality.

01:49:20.000 Create that appearance of inequality. 0.97

01:49:21.000 I'm better than everybody because I have this giant fucking safe vault on my hand. 0.98

01:49:27.000 That's... 0.98

01:49:27.000 Yeah, I had a conversation with this dude about watches. 0.98

01:49:30.000 And he's like, what kind of watches is that?

01:49:31.000 It was one of those MVMT watches that's a sponsor of the podcast.

01:49:35.000 And they only cost like $150.

01:49:37.000 And they're dope. 0.91

01:49:37.000 They're nice. 0.91

01:49:38.000 They're really nice looking watches.

01:49:40.000 And he's like, oh man, I thought it was a nice watch.

01:49:42.000 I go, but you thought it was a nice watch.

01:49:45.000 You thought it was a nice watch, but now it's not a nice watch because you know it's only $150.

01:49:50.000 It's still the same watch.

01:49:51.000 It tells time.

01:49:53.000 Look at it.

01:49:53.000 See it?

01:49:54.000 Tells time.

01:49:54.000 That's it.

01:49:55.000 What is this? 1.00

01:49:55.000 How much is this piece of shit? 1.00

01:49:57.000 Five million. 1.00

01:49:57.000 Oh my god! 1.00

01:49:58.000 It's the same company.

01:50:00.000 Hugh Bolt.

01:50:01.000 So Hugh Bolt is figuring out...

01:50:03.000 Whatever.

01:50:03.000 They figured out how to find the retards.

01:50:06.000 They figured out how to lock them in.

01:50:08.000 This one down here is 25 million. 1.00

01:50:10.000 Oh my Jesus fucking... 1.00

01:50:12.000 What is that?! 1.00

01:50:13.000 This is the watch part right here.

01:50:14.000 That's like a stellar nursery.

01:50:16.000 That's what it is.

01:50:17.000 That's how many million?

01:50:19.000 25 million. 1.00

01:50:20.000 If you're a chick and you can get a guy to buy you that, your pussy is gold. 1.00

01:50:24.000 You must have that super pussy. 1.00

01:50:26.000 That snapping pussy that Richard Pryor used to talk about in his old records. 1.00

01:50:31.000 Yeah, it's the pussy that extends deep into the soul. 1.00

01:50:34.000 30 million! 1.00

01:50:35.000 That one's 30 million!

01:50:37.000 Is that a pocket watch?

01:50:38.000 Yeah.

01:50:38.000 The pocket watch is $30 million.

01:50:40.000 So you're an asshole and you spent $30 million because anyone with a pocket watch is an asshole. 1.00

01:50:45.000 What is that thing? 1.00

01:50:46.000 Look at it.

01:50:46.000 It says it was started work on in 1782 and was finished in 1827 by the guy's son.

01:50:52.000 Oh, well, that's different.

01:50:55.000 That's different.

01:50:56.000 That is wicked.

01:50:57.000 So that was a long project.

01:51:00.000 It took a hundred years to make that watch.

01:51:01.000 Imagine you get drunk and left that at the bar.

01:51:03.000 Yeah.

01:51:04.000 Hey guys, I'm super sorry.

01:51:05.000 Did you see a priceless watch?

01:51:08.000 It's worth a couple houses.

01:51:09.000 It's worth more than a couple.

01:51:11.000 30 million? 1.00

01:51:12.000 It's worth a fucking mansion and a jet. 1.00

01:51:15.000 In the Hamptons. 1.00

01:51:16.000 You could live in the Hamptons off a watch.

01:51:18.000 Imagine that.

01:51:19.000 You could buy the whole, you could just say, uh, how you gonna pay?

01:51:22.000 Uh, I'm gonna give you a watch. 0.89

01:51:25.000 Imagine going back to a primitive, more tribal culture and explaining how much value you could get for something silly like that. 0.93

01:51:35.000 There was this watch and I could buy houses and control vast lands and get unlimited food and make people of all varieties do all the things I wanted just from this one little token.

01:51:47.000 And they'd be like, what does it do?

01:51:48.000 And you're like, nothing.

01:51:49.000 It does nothing.

01:51:51.000 But it's valuable. 0.99

01:51:52.000 They would be like, what the fuck are you talking about? 0.99

01:51:54.000 It's not a better arrow. 0.99

01:51:57.000 It's one of these things that comes up when you get a society of luxury like we have.

01:52:04.000 The status purchase.

01:52:06.000 The status purchase.

01:52:08.000 They're not even good.

01:52:10.000 A lot of them are not good.

01:52:12.000 Like, I've never bought a Rolex for myself, but the UFC bought me a Rolex a long time ago.

01:52:18.000 It's just, it's a beautiful watch, right?

01:52:20.000 It's beautiful.

01:52:21.000 But it was always running fast, like five minutes fast.

01:52:24.000 So I brought it in, and I'm like, I don't know what it is, but after a month, it's like five minutes fast.

01:52:29.000 The guy goes, oh yeah, yeah, they always do that, so you just gotta bring it back and reset it every month.

01:52:34.000 I went, what?

01:52:35.000 Like, you have to change the time every month?

01:52:39.000 This watch, I don't know how much it costs.

01:52:41.000 I don't even remember.

01:52:42.000 But I don't have to change the time.

01:52:44.000 It's always right.

01:52:44.000 It's right.

01:52:45.000 It's got a quartz movement.

01:52:47.000 He's like, oh yeah, quartz movement is just going to be more accurate than this.

01:52:49.000 Well, why is...

01:52:50.000 What?

01:52:50.000 Wait a minute.

01:52:51.000 So these are just bad? 0.96

01:52:52.000 They just suck at telling the time? 0.99

01:52:55.000 They're fucking so bad at telling the time, like five seconds or five minutes fast after like just a couple of months. 1.00

01:53:01.000 So you just got to accept that. 0.99

01:53:03.000 That's it.

01:53:03.000 You just accept it doesn't really keep time.

01:53:05.000 It sort of keeps time.

01:53:07.000 It's the status bracelet that happens to keep time.

01:53:11.000 How weird is that?

01:53:12.000 They're not good at it?

01:53:13.000 You have to check?

01:53:14.000 Like, let's see.

01:53:15.000 Oh, no.

01:53:15.000 Watch is off.

01:53:16.000 Hold on.

01:53:17.000 Like, your watch just gets off.

01:53:19.000 Like, you rely on the actual real clocks. 1.00

01:53:21.000 Like, this fucking piece of shit that we... 1.00

01:53:23.000 What did we spend, like, four bucks on this? 1.00

01:53:26.000 That thing's right all the time.

01:53:27.000 It's never wrong. 0.98

01:53:28.000 You wind that bitch up to four o'clock, and when it's five, it'll show you it's five. 1.00

01:53:33.000 It's fucking right. 0.99

01:53:34.000 It's always right. 0.98

01:53:36.000 Didn't cost anything.

01:53:39.000 Yep.

01:53:40.000 Yep. 1.00

01:53:40.000 But it's Rolex, bitch. 1.00

01:53:41.000 Doesn't satisfy the ego in the same way. 1.00

01:53:44.000 Doesn't get it fired up.

01:53:46.000 Doesn't let you get to feel better about yourself.

01:53:49.000 So that, you know, I think when you really don't know...

01:53:51.000 Again, going back, you don't know the self.

01:53:53.000 You want to feel better about yourself by making yourself better than somebody else.

01:53:58.000 Because you have no other reference point of what it is.

01:54:00.000 So, alright, if I'm better than these other people...

01:54:03.000 Whether it's something you have or something you are inherently or the melanin in your skin or whatever the fuck you want to say, if that makes you better than someone else, then you can feel better about yourself.

01:54:14.000 Well, I don't know who I am. 1.00

01:54:15.000 I don't know if I'm good or bad, but at least I'm better than these fucks. 0.99

01:54:18.000 And then that makes you feel better. 1.00

01:54:20.000 But it's all this fucking bullshit game that we try to tell ourselves that comes from the fundamental lack of knowing who we are and knowing that whoever we are is enough and it's all good and we're all the same. 1.00

01:54:32.000 You say that, but Boris, the guy with that fucking transformer on his wrist who's getting his dick sucked right now while drinking vodka flying in his private jet over the Atlantic, he disagrees with you. 1.00

01:54:42.000 That girl knows that that's a $250 million watch or whatever the fuck he's wearing. 1.00

01:54:48.000 She knows he's balling out of control on his private jet. 0.99

01:54:52.000 It's covered with feathers.

01:54:57.000 Boris got his whole jet decked out like an eagle.

01:55:02.000 The wings actually flap somehow.

01:55:05.000 It makes the flying worse.

01:55:07.000 But they flap just for effect.

01:55:10.000 And that's when he starts coming.

01:55:12.000 When the eagle wings flap.

01:55:15.000 While he's looking at his watch.

01:55:17.000 He looks at his watch, at the girl, and then out the window, in that order.

01:55:23.000 The best moment of his life.

01:55:25.000 Yeah, and then he shoots himself in the head because he knows it'll never be any better.

01:55:30.000 Everything has been building to that. 0.99

01:55:31.000 He shoots a couple holes in the plane so that it fucking crashes, and then shoots himself. 0.99

01:55:37.000 Well, the eagle wings would clearly bring the plane down. 0.99

01:55:40.000 Actually, the minute you activated eagle wing mode, that plane is fucking taking a nosedive. 0.96

01:55:46.000 Taking a Captain Sully. 0.94

01:55:47.000 No one's ever gone out on top, right?

01:55:49.000 No one's ever had, like, the ultimate life like that, and they just said, I think it doesn't get any better than this.

01:55:55.000 Let's just...

01:55:55.000 We're good!

01:55:56.000 We're good!

01:55:56.000 Boom!

01:55:58.000 No.

01:55:59.000 I was watching the Lomachenko-Walters fight the other night.

01:56:02.000 Did you see that fight?

01:56:03.000 That boxing match?

01:56:04.000 No. 1.00

01:56:04.000 Goddamn. 1.00

01:56:05.000 I think you say Vasil Lomachenko. 0.99

01:56:09.000 Vasily.

01:56:09.000 I've heard Vasily.

01:56:11.000 But Lomachenko is a masterful boxer. 0.67

01:56:14.000 I mean, he just boxed the shit out of this dude.

01:56:15.000 This dude was undefeated. 0.73

01:56:17.000 And just footwork.

01:56:19.000 Just unbelievable footwork and ability to predict where the punches are coming from his opponent, where he's going to have openings.

01:56:27.000 And he was just lighting this dude up in the last round.

01:56:30.000 And at the end of the last round, the dude just quit.

01:56:33.000 He just quit.

01:56:34.000 He quit in the seventh round.

01:56:35.000 Just said, I'm done.

01:56:37.000 Like, he didn't get knocked down.

01:56:39.000 He didn't get, like, he got staggered in the sixth round.

01:56:43.000 Or in the seventh round, he got staggered. 0.98

01:56:45.000 But it wasn't to the point where you thought they would end the fight, because he ended the round on his feet, went back to his corner, walked, sat down, was like, fuck this. 0.98

01:56:51.000 So it's over. 0.96

01:56:52.000 And then, you know, in his post-fight speech, he's just basically saying, look, the guy was hitting me too much.

01:56:57.000 I just saw the writing on the wall.

01:56:59.000 Check, please.

01:57:00.000 Yeah, that's smart.

01:57:01.000 Actually, more people should do that.

01:57:02.000 You just want to see them for your own desires.

01:57:06.000 You want to see them go out on their shield.

01:57:07.000 That's the noble way to do it, is to let him knock you out.

01:57:10.000 Do you know why?

01:57:12.000 Pat Barry versus Czech Congo. 1.00

01:57:14.000 Remember that shit? 1.00

01:57:15.000 Yeah, you just never know. 1.00

01:57:17.000 Never know.

01:57:17.000 Pat Berry vs.

01:57:18.000 Chet Congo was like one of the craziest one-round slobber knockers ever.

01:57:23.000 Pat Berry had Chet Congo all kinds of hurt.

01:57:26.000 Had him staggered.

01:57:28.000 And Pat Berry's super aggressive.

01:57:30.000 He's turning it on and smashing Chet Congo. 1.00

01:57:34.000 And out of nowhere, Congo uncorks a bomb. 0.92

01:57:39.000 I mean, Pat has got Chet Kongo all kinds of hurt.

01:57:42.000 He rocks him with that overhand right.

01:57:45.000 Kongo gets up.

01:57:46.000 He's tagging him, and it looks like he's almost out on his feet.

01:57:49.000 I mean, he's getting hit by bombs here.

01:57:50.000 He's all kinds of hurt.

01:57:52.000 Pat Barry's sprawling.

01:57:53.000 He keeps the fight standing as Kongo tries to take him down.

01:57:55.000 He hits with another right hand.

01:57:56.000 Rocks him again.

01:57:57.000 Boom! 0.99

01:57:58.000 Another couple punches. 0.99

01:57:59.000 I mean, Pat Barry looks fucking unstoppable here. 0.99

01:58:01.000 Look at this. 0.97

01:58:02.000 Again.

01:58:03.000 But now, as he closes in, boom!

01:58:05.000 He gets clipped with that right hand, and then out cold!

01:58:07.000 Two punches later.

01:58:09.000 Yep.

01:58:09.000 Out of nowhere.

01:58:10.000 Crazy.

01:58:11.000 I mean, that is as close as someone's come to the brink of disaster and come back instantaneously.

01:58:18.000 Instantaneously and won by knockout.

01:58:20.000 Didn't Chris Lieben do that to somebody?

01:58:23.000 Yeah, to Vanderlei.

01:58:24.000 He did that to Vanderlei.

01:58:25.000 He starched Vanderlei. 0.70

01:58:26.000 Vanderlei came out and blasted him with the right hand, had him hurt, but he fell into the trap because Lieben punches so fucking hard and he always had an iron chin and he just uncorked one on Vanderlei and Vanderlei went, uh-oh.

01:58:39.000 A similar thing happened this weekend, right?

01:58:41.000 Did you watch the...

01:58:42.000 Was it Derrick Brunson fought?

01:58:44.000 Yes.

01:58:44.000 Well, similar in a way, but more calculated.

01:58:48.000 Derrick Brunson just got crazy.

01:58:51.000 And he fought Robert Whittaker, who won Ultimate Fighter Australia, the Smashes edition.

01:58:56.000 Was it Australia versus England?

01:58:57.000 Is that what it was?

01:58:58.000 No.

01:58:59.000 I forget what it was.

01:59:00.000 Who was competing?

01:59:02.000 Anyway, Whitaker won.

01:59:04.000 And Whitaker, since moving up to 185, he's so much better than he was at 170. And Derrick Brunson just came after him.

01:59:11.000 Derrick Brunson's the same guy who, he had just knocked out Uriah Hall.

01:59:16.000 He caught him with a beautiful left hook and hurt him. 0.80

01:59:18.000 And it was just a crazy fight.

01:59:21.000 And then he came back from that, sort of employed the same strategy against Whitaker, but Whitaker kept it together.

01:59:26.000 Kept together, he ate a lot of shots, kept moving, kept his hands up, kept his composure, and then finally found an opening.

01:59:32.000 Boom! 0.99

01:59:34.000 Dropped one on Brunson and then had Brunson crazy hurt and then moved in on him. 0.80

01:59:38.000 It was an awesome exhibition for Whitaker to show that Whitaker can overcome the storm of a super confident, really dangerous guy who hits fucking hard, who's had a lot of confidence because of his most recent success doing that.

01:59:52.000 I mean, Brunson came after him.

01:59:54.000 Really, really came after him.

01:59:55.000 Super aggressive.

01:59:56.000 Maybe too aggressive, for sure.

01:59:58.000 Now, in hindsight, you could say that.

02:00:00.000 But a lot of people, other than Whitaker, probably would have wilted to that storm.

02:00:03.000 So it's interesting.

02:00:04.000 It was a really stern test for Whitaker, and it showed you how strong he is.

02:00:09.000 Yeah, it was one of the beautiful aspects of watching this chess play out with the whole body being utilized.

02:00:16.000 You're never going to beat it for its excitement level.

02:00:18.000 No.

02:00:19.000 You have to realize while you're watching it that, like life, nobody gets out for free.

02:00:25.000 Like life.

02:00:25.000 I mean, it's almost a microcosm of life.

02:00:28.000 It's crazy struggle and it, you know, it doesn't always end your way.

02:00:35.000 What competition is in mixed martial arts is the most extreme version of problem-solving we have outside of war.

02:00:42.000 It's the most extreme with dire physical consequences.

02:00:45.000 You get brained like we saw Pat Berry get KO'd there.

02:00:48.000 You know, I mean, that's the consequences of this game.

02:00:50.000 But the The reality, or the take is, nobody gets out anyway alive.

02:00:58.000 If you choose to experience this, this extremely high level for a very short burst, understand how much resources you're burning off, understand what you're doing, and proceed wisely.

02:01:10.000 When I talk to fighters who, you know, sometimes question like, man, what am I doing to myself?

02:01:15.000 I'm just beating people up and that's what I do.

02:01:17.000 You know, to remind them that what really is happening is two people are coming to an agreement to provide a form of resistance for each other.

02:01:26.000 Like at the highest level of what this is, like you're going to come face to face with someone who's also training and also striving to do everything that you're trying to do, which is what's going to push you up against that form of resistance and give you an opportunity Not only to overcome physically, but overcome emotionally,

02:01:43.000 spiritually, psychically.

02:01:45.000 You'll have to bring everything to bear against that form of resistance, whether it's the weight cut or the opponent or the training or everything.

02:01:52.000 And there's something to be said for that.

02:01:54.000 Obviously, the only issue for a lot of people is that you end up paying that price not only then, but later, if you get the brain damage.

02:02:03.000 And that's the only bummer of it and something that To be considered, but if it wasn't for that man, what a fucking beautiful way to do it like to get everything Everything all together unified in one and provide that ultimate form of resistance is like unbeatable It's definitely the most difficult physical challenge that we know because you're competing Especially at the highest level you're competing with someone who's the same size as you Has a commensurate level of expertise as you and is

02:02:33.000 as motivated as you are to win And you're in this crazy competition together where you're literally playing a game of press the button.

02:02:43.000 Who can shut off whose central nervous system quicker? 0.59

02:02:47.000 What? 1.00

02:02:49.000 Fucking crazy game. 1.00

02:02:51.000 You're never going to duplicate the excitement of that with any other sport. 1.00

02:02:55.000 You come close.

02:02:57.000 I guess football is probably pretty close for people.

02:02:59.000 Boxing is probably right up there in moments.

02:03:02.000 You know, like when Juan Manuel Marquez knocked out Pacquiao.

02:03:09.000 He hit him with that beautiful, clean, straight punch and just flattened Pacquiao.

02:03:13.000 That was about as dramatic a moment as you get in any sort of combat sport.

02:03:16.000 You see a superhero like Pacquiao get leveled with one shot.

02:03:20.000 Like, whoa!

02:03:21.000 But that whoa is just so much more prevalent in mixed martial arts.

02:03:24.000 That whoa happens so much more often.

02:03:27.000 It's a totally different thing.

02:03:29.000 And I think the more rules that you put in front of that kind of primal conflict, the little bit more it kind of separates and makes it a sport.

02:03:40.000 When you see boxers kind of grabbing each other and doing nothing about it, that's when that moment of, oh yeah, this is a sport.

02:03:47.000 Right.

02:03:47.000 Whereas in MMA, there's fewer of those moments where you go like, oh yeah, this is a sport.

02:03:52.000 It really just feels like people fighting to the death.

02:03:55.000 Yeah.

02:03:55.000 The only moments where you go, it's a sport, it's like you can't grab the fence or you can't punch the balls or, oh, you poked it high, timeout.

02:04:03.000 Yeah.

02:04:04.000 Yeah, there's moments in boxing where you go, well, this is kind of silly.

02:04:07.000 You know, how come you can just hang on like this?

02:04:09.000 How come that guy can't trip you and take you down?

02:04:11.000 How come he can't kick your legs?

02:04:13.000 Right.

02:04:13.000 You know?

02:04:14.000 It's really hard for me to watch boxing sometimes and not think about kicking someone's legs.

02:04:18.000 Like, or someone kicking someone's legs, rather. 0.93

02:04:20.000 Not that I'm running around, man, I want to kick people. 0.72

02:04:22.000 I mean, I see the way they're standing.

02:04:25.000 And I'm like, yeah, well, this is...

02:04:26.000 Look at those little thighs. 1.00

02:04:27.000 Like, this is effective.

02:04:29.000 As long as someone's not kicking your legs. 1.00

02:04:31.000 But if you're fighting the same fight, but you're fighting someone like Joe Schilling, he's gonna be fucking kicking the shit out of your legs. 0.99

02:04:38.000 It's a totally different experience. 0.98

02:04:40.000 And he's a long dude, so he's gonna be standing way on the outside. 0.97

02:04:43.000 And if you don't know how to deal with that, you're only gonna be able to absorb a few of those before you're useless.

02:04:48.000 Or you think of like Badr Hari's like leaping overhand right where he commits everything, all of his childhood pain into that right hand, right? 0.60

02:04:57.000 You can't do that all the time in MMA because someone will just go duck underneath it and double leg you.

02:05:02.000 But he's never had to worry about that. 0.98

02:05:04.000 So, you know, still he's one of the most exciting motherfuckers ever. 0.98

02:05:08.000 And he's fighting again soon. 0.98

02:05:09.000 He's fighting Rico Verhoeven.

02:05:10.000 That's going to be amazing.

02:05:11.000 December 10th.

02:05:12.000 Yeah, that's a crazy night.

02:05:13.000 There's a gang of fights that night.

02:05:15.000 That same night, Bernard Hopkins is the 17th.

02:05:19.000 He's making his final fight.

02:05:21.000 But that same night is the UFC from Toronto.

02:05:25.000 It's glory and there's something else going on that night too.

02:05:28.000 There's some sort of a boxing fight that night as well.

02:05:31.000 But it's a crazy night.

02:05:32.000 That's a weird fight, man.

02:05:34.000 Verhoeven and Badr Hari.

02:05:36.000 Badr Hari's a scary dude.

02:05:38.000 Yeah, literally.

02:05:40.000 Savage.

02:05:41.000 In many, many ways.

02:05:41.000 So fun to watch.

02:05:42.000 He's one of my favorites ever.

02:05:44.000 Like you said, he just commits.

02:05:46.000 Commits in this extremely violent way.

02:05:49.000 And sometimes he gets carried out on his shield, you know?

02:05:51.000 And sometimes he goes out.

02:05:52.000 And he clearly can't shut that off. 1.00

02:05:54.000 Like, once he gets that thing going, I mean, he'll want to stomp his opponent after they're down, and he's just a fucking savage. 0.99

02:06:00.000 Yeah, he's definitely... 0.96

02:06:02.000 I would love to see their laundry list of Mexican supplements.

02:06:08.000 I'm like, what kind of cocktail you guys run in here? 0.99

02:06:12.000 He definitely has hair braided around his dick like Princess Leia, for sure. 0.99

02:06:16.000 Dude, he's so big now. 1.00

02:06:17.000 Have you seen him?

02:06:17.000 Have you seen the most recent photos of Botter?

02:06:19.000 Pull up the recent photos of Botter Hari, because he put some photos on Instagram of him training, and he took pictures of him with his shirt off, and you're like, what?

02:06:27.000 Jesus Christ, he looks like he's about 250 now, something like that, and he's a big giant dude.

02:06:31.000 He's always been a big giant dude, but he's like super, super muscled out now. 0.99

02:06:36.000 Look at this shit. 1.00

02:06:38.000 He's fucking jacked, dude! 1.00

02:06:41.000 He's fucking jacked! 1.00

02:06:43.000 There's some other photos that are maybe a little bit clearer. 0.99

02:06:46.000 There it is right there, that one in the middle. 0.98

02:06:48.000 What in the fuck is going on there? 0.98

02:06:51.000 That dude's gigantic now. 1.00

02:06:55.000 That's terrifying.

02:06:56.000 That's gigantic.

02:06:58.000 He's so much bigger than he was when he first started.

02:07:01.000 When he first started kickboxing, he was this long, tall, thin guy.

02:07:04.000 Because he started...

02:07:06.000 Some of his early fights that I've seen during the K1 days even, he was way skinnier back in the day.

02:07:15.000 You want to see something?

02:07:17.000 Put Badr Hari vs.

02:07:19.000 Stefan Leko.

02:07:21.000 Just type in Leko.

02:07:24.000 Yeah, there it is.

02:07:25.000 Stefan Leko.

02:07:26.000 This is Badr Hari.

02:07:27.000 Look at what he looked like back then.

02:07:29.000 Upper left image.

02:07:30.000 Yeah, that's Badr Hari then. 0.95

02:07:32.000 Look at the difference.

02:07:34.000 Crazy. 0.88

02:07:34.000 He hit Stefan Letko with a spinning back kick to the face and flattened him. 0.88

02:07:38.000 They had fought previously and Letko stopped him with a spinning back kick to the body. 0.64

02:07:42.000 So in the rematch, he hit him with one in the face. 0.89

02:07:46.000 Crazy.

02:07:48.000 That's a great picture.

02:07:49.000 Yeah, beautiful.

02:07:50.000 You can see this.

02:07:51.000 Find the video.

02:07:52.000 Poter Hari K.O. Stefan Letko.

02:07:56.000 There it is.

02:07:59.000 You gotta think that this dude's probably put on like 50 pounds or something.

02:08:05.000 Yeah.

02:08:05.000 This is Leko?

02:08:07.000 Oh, this is Dubai, 2014. I think this is the other one.

02:08:11.000 This is, that was, uh, yeah, that's it.

02:08:13.000 You just had it right there.

02:08:14.000 This is it.

02:08:15.000 Here it comes.

02:08:16.000 He throws one and misses, but look how skinny he is here, man.

02:08:19.000 Yeah.

02:08:19.000 Totally different guy.

02:08:20.000 Different self.

02:08:21.000 Yeah, here it goes.

02:08:22.000 Watch it.

02:08:22.000 He set it up, sets it up with a jab.

02:08:24.000 He faked it to the body, then BOOM! Goes up top!

02:08:27.000 Damn. 1.00

02:08:28.000 Flatline. 1.00

02:08:29.000 Nothing quite like that Barbossa kick.

02:08:32.000 Yeah.

02:08:33.000 That was almost a different one, though.

02:08:35.000 He did it as sidekick to the face.

02:08:38.000 He didn't do it as like a wheel kick.

02:08:39.000 If you watch it again, rewind it a little bit.

02:08:42.000 He shot it as a straight kick.

02:08:44.000 Rewind it.

02:08:46.000 He threw it as, if you see how he's throwing it there, he threw it to the body.

02:08:50.000 That's a spinning sidekick or a turning sidekick.

02:08:54.000 He's not doing it as a back kick.

02:08:55.000 If he did, the toes would be down.

02:08:56.000 But see how he went up there?

02:08:57.000 That was just a turning side kick to the face. 0.99

02:09:00.000 It's kind of halfway between both.

02:09:02.000 Halfway between a wheel kick and a spinning back kick or a turning side kick. 0.98

02:09:06.000 But it was fucking beautiful. 0.99

02:09:07.000 Boom! 0.99

02:09:08.000 Looks more like a wheel kick when I look at it there.

02:09:10.000 But Jesus Christ, perfect.

02:09:12.000 Yep.

02:09:13.000 Right on the button.

02:09:15.000 And Stefan Lecco, who was a great fighter too, man.

02:09:19.000 That guy, he knocked a lot of dudes out. 0.90

02:09:21.000 Saw him knock out Peter Ertz in Vegas when K-1 was just starting to come up.

02:09:25.000 They were putting on some shows in Vegas.

02:09:27.000 This was before the UFC was big.

02:09:29.000 They thought that K-1 was, I still think it could have.

02:09:33.000 If it was promoted properly, could have gotten a grip in North America.

02:09:38.000 Well, that's why, you know, Glory's pushing that boulder now. 1.00

02:09:41.000 Glory's a good example, and so is Lion Fight.

02:09:44.000 I prefer the rules of Lion Fight, though, because Lion Fight is full Muay Thai.

02:09:48.000 Yeah, elbows.

02:09:49.000 We went to one of those out in Vegas.

02:09:51.000 Yeah, that's one of the few things that I go to see live.

02:09:53.000 I still like to go see live. 1.00

02:09:55.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

02:09:57.000 High-level Muay Thai in America, it's like... 1.00

02:10:00.000 The level of the fights is very high.

02:10:03.000 It's just people aren't just, they're totally not aware of it yet.

02:10:06.000 They need to be, though.

02:10:08.000 It's crazy exciting.

02:10:10.000 It's just, and there's so much talent.

02:10:12.000 It's not like this is an exciting thing, but only like five guys are good at it. 0.99

02:10:16.000 It's an exciting thing where, especially in the lighter weights, like Thailand's full of fucking killers. 1.00

02:10:21.000 They got a ton of them in Europe. 0.99

02:10:22.000 They got them all over the globe.

02:10:24.000 There's so many good Muay Thai fighters out there.

02:10:26.000 They just, for whatever reason, We haven't caught on yet.

02:10:30.000 That's why I think when I think about this time, I think it's the best time ever because we get to see all of these incredible contests still extremely physical.

02:10:38.000 Like we're still at the rising peak of our physical prowess, but we're also at the peak of our technological prowess and the peak of our ability to access all of the best foods and access the best ideas and all of the different things that can shape us.

02:10:52.000 Like as pessimistic as people get, it is for sure the best of times.

02:10:57.000 Right now, you know, for the majority of people.

02:10:59.000 Now, obviously, there are hells on the planet still.

02:11:01.000 There's hells that we can put ourselves in.

02:11:03.000 There's suffering.

02:11:04.000 But overall, on the macro level, it's the golden age now.

02:11:09.000 For sure. 1.00

02:11:10.000 Anybody who argues with that is an asshole. 1.00

02:11:11.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:11:12.000 Yeah, I want to go back to the time where you had to speak with grunts.

02:11:15.000 And even in the future, like I can't imagine that the...

02:11:19.000 I guess maybe it would.

02:11:22.000 Like maybe we've just seen too many gray aliens, you know, where the body kind of becomes less and less important and everything is focused on the consciousness. 0.92

02:11:29.000 I feel like you get to that level and you fucking miss this certain...

02:11:34.000 You know, evolution and epoch for the pleasure monkey where we had all of that physical access to strive and train and feel all of the physical things as well as, you know, reach incredible heights in consciousness and meditation and, you know, 0.95

02:11:49.000 community and these great things. 0.92

02:11:52.000 I think, you know, I think really no matter what stage before or after, I think we'll look back at this one like this was a special fucking time. 0.84

02:12:00.000 It's definitely a special time, but I think every time is a special time. 0.93

02:12:03.000 Because every time, no matter where you are on the time scale, if you're in that moment, you're in the most present time.

02:12:09.000 You're in the most current time.

02:12:10.000 And I guarantee you, at every step of the way, people were longing with nostalgia for the past. 0.98

02:12:16.000 I bet they were like, God damn, man, remember when we used to rape? 1.00

02:12:18.000 Just run across the village and chop heads off and shit. 1.00

02:12:21.000 Good old days, bro. 1.00

02:12:22.000 Good times, before they started writing things down on paper.

02:12:27.000 There's probably a lot of people that missed that. 1.00

02:12:29.000 They missed just shooting arrows, just launching them in the air, and whoever's over there, fuck them. 1.00

02:12:35.000 They did. 1.00

02:12:36.000 They made it rain arrows from the sky. 0.70

02:12:38.000 And like 50 years after that was over, some Viking king had a slogan, let Denmark rape again.

02:12:44.000 Everybody was excited. 0.98

02:12:45.000 Let Denmark rape again. 1.00

02:12:47.000 Let the killings begin anew. 0.98

02:12:50.000 But that was a big problem with Japan, is that they didn't want to embrace the gun. 1.00

02:12:53.000 They're like, no, you pussies. 1.00

02:12:54.000 You can't be fucking shooting people with guns. 1.00

02:12:57.000 That's such a bitch-ass way to go. 1.00

02:12:59.000 You gotta use swords. 1.00

02:13:00.000 Come on.

02:13:01.000 Don't be a bitch. 1.00

02:13:02.000 But they held on too long. 1.00

02:13:05.000 They didn't embrace the gun.

02:13:06.000 They needed to get on that right away.

02:13:08.000 If they had the Japanese engineering that you see today in Lexus, if they had applied that to guns back in the day, that same know-how and discipline.

02:13:15.000 They'd have the best guns.

02:13:16.000 They have the best guns.

02:13:17.000 But you dedicate yourself and become masters in the world at swordsmanship. 1.00

02:13:21.000 And then the gun comes along like, fuck. 1.00

02:13:23.000 What the fuck is this? 1.00

02:13:25.000 Fuck. 1.00

02:13:26.000 This trumps all of my years of work with the sword. 1.00

02:13:30.000 Yeah.

02:13:30.000 Yeah, man.

02:13:31.000 They made it easy.

02:13:32.000 I mean, it's sort of like a supermarket did versus being a substance, living off the land type person.

02:13:40.000 Mm-hmm. 0.95

02:13:40.000 If you've watched those shows from Alaska where the people grow their own vegetables and shit and they catch fish in the river, there's something romantic about it, right? 0.95

02:13:49.000 There's something that drags... 0.98

02:13:50.000 I love those shows, man.

02:13:52.000 I watch those shows all the time.

02:13:53.000 It's the simplicity of it.

02:13:53.000 You know your purpose every day.

02:13:55.000 And I think when people know their purpose, my purpose is to survive, get food, stay warm, and make babies.

02:14:02.000 It's really comforting to know what your purpose is.

02:14:05.000 Yeah, and especially if you don't have any internet.

02:14:07.000 Before they got on television, I wonder how much access to internet they even had up there.

02:14:11.000 Watch this one family that apparently, you know that singer Jewel? 0.88

02:14:16.000 Do you know who she is?

02:14:17.000 She has one snaggletooth, but she's very beautiful.

02:14:20.000 People like the fact that she doesn't fix her teeth because she's imperfect yet perfect. 1.00

02:14:24.000 She's apparently from this one family that has this show.

02:14:30.000 Goddammit, Alaska, the final frontier?

02:14:34.000 Is that the name of it?

02:14:35.000 But anyway, it's her relatives.

02:14:37.000 I feel like close relatives that live up there in this crazy way.

02:14:43.000 And it's real simple.

02:14:45.000 Some of them farm, and they raise cattle, and they have to move their cattle across this area to take them to where they graze, and they drop them off, and they have to move them back at the end of the year.

02:14:58.000 It's nuts. 0.98

02:14:58.000 And so while they're up there doing this, grizzly bears just start ripping their fucking cows apart. 0.98

02:15:03.000 So now they have to go and deal with these, you know, 11 foot tall giant dog things that need food constantly to consume. 0.98

02:15:12.000 And on one hand, you can't blame them. 1.00

02:15:14.000 Like these fat, stupid cows just wandering around over by the grass. 1.00

02:15:18.000 All they have to do is go by the grass. 1.00

02:15:19.000 There's fucking hundreds of them. 0.99

02:15:21.000 Where else are they going to find hundreds of things that they can eat? 1.00

02:15:25.000 Nowhere!

02:15:25.000 Like, you just put out a buffet in front of the grizzly bear, and you're mad that they're eating.

02:15:30.000 It's a bear supermarket. 0.99

02:15:31.000 So he had to hunt them down. 1.00

02:15:32.000 It's crazy watching this guy, because although it is reality TV, and you do not know how much of this show is bullshit, because clearly some of it's bullshit. 0.99

02:15:42.000 There's clearly some setup. 0.99

02:15:43.000 Like, I saw one scene where...

02:15:45.000 They had a filleted salmon, and the bear was supposedly getting fish from the river, and it was coming too close to them while they were fishing, but you never saw the two of them in the same frame.

02:15:54.000 And then you see the bear, and the bear has a salmon that's filleted. 0.97

02:15:57.000 Meaning, like, someone cut that salmon, threw it in the water, and gave it to the fucking bear. 1.00

02:16:02.000 Which is like, come on, stupid. 0.99

02:16:04.000 You know, so you guys are the only people here, but yet the bear, you haven't caught a fish yet, but the bear is a fish that has fillets removed off of it. 1.00

02:16:12.000 Shut the fuck up, man. 1.00

02:16:13.000 I'm not stupid. 1.00

02:16:14.000 Yeah. 0.84

02:16:15.000 Yeah, that's the TV game.

02:16:17.000 But it does give you a little window into the wild ways that all of us humans live.

02:16:22.000 It gives a window.

02:16:22.000 Which is cool.

02:16:23.000 When I got to...

02:16:25.000 There's this book, Before They Pass Away.

02:16:28.000 Yeah.

02:16:29.000 You gave me that book.

02:16:30.000 Yeah, I gave you that book.

02:16:30.000 Yeah, that book's amazing.

02:16:32.000 It's amazing photos, but then you start reading about these different cultures.

02:16:35.000 I actually had the photographer on my podcast, and he was telling me about...

02:16:39.000 What is his name?

02:16:40.000 It's called Before They...

02:16:41.000 Jimmy Nelson.

02:16:42.000 Jimmy Nelson.

02:16:43.000 Jimmy Nelson.

02:16:43.000 So Jimmy Nelson was on the podcast and he was talking about the Himba people, which have these amazing photos.

02:16:48.000 They're like a really tall tribe.

02:16:49.000 I believe it was the Himba. 0.91

02:16:51.000 And he was telling me about their custom.

02:16:54.000 They live in just such a dramatically different way.

02:16:56.000 So they're like a pastoral shepherding kind of tribe.

02:17:00.000 So they have all of their cows, but there's very little grass.

02:17:03.000 So the men have to take the cows on these long walks to feed them.

02:17:07.000 Like...

02:17:07.000 Four weeks away, right?

02:17:09.000 But what they do is they leave one man behind in the village, and it's his job to sexually satisfy all the women while all the men are gone.

02:17:20.000 And that position rotates, right?

02:17:23.000 So that everybody gets their turn as the one dude that gets to sexually satisfy the entire village. 1.00

02:17:28.000 What if girls get pissed if it's, oh, this motherfucker has his turn. 1.00

02:17:31.000 I hate his little dirty dick. 1.00

02:17:35.000 Time to watch his little tiny, dirty dick. 1.00

02:17:37.000 Yeah, like, there's certain guys that they're never on vacation for when it's that guy's turnaround. 1.00

02:17:42.000 Some girls will, like, hold out. 1.00

02:17:43.000 They're like, I'm good.

02:17:45.000 I'm good. 1.00

02:17:45.000 You can go fuck my friends. 1.00

02:17:46.000 I'm gonna wait. 1.00

02:17:47.000 I'm gonna wait till Igor's turn. 1.00

02:17:49.000 Igor slings that good dick. 1.00

02:17:56.000 No, I wouldn't want that. 1.00

02:17:57.000 I only want her pleasure to come from my penis. 1.00

02:18:00.000 My penis alone. 1.00

02:18:02.000 I heard of the massage man, the way he touched her anus and made her come so hard. 1.00

02:18:06.000 I hate him with all my being. 1.00

02:18:08.000 One day I will remove him from this life with a sword. 1.00

02:18:12.000 It's so funny.

02:18:13.000 That someone who you love, someone else makes that person who you love, gives them pleasure, and it's your enemy. 1.00

02:18:19.000 Especially if they ate their ass. 1.00

02:18:20.000 She's got her ass up in the air. 1.00

02:18:23.000 She's backing up into his tongue. 1.00

02:18:25.000 Uh-uh.

02:18:26.000 Nope.

02:18:27.000 Nope.

02:18:28.000 No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

02:18:30.000 Yeah, that's the thing that makes you vomit as a man, because it triggers these things, but it can all be worked through.

02:18:36.000 Like, you can push through the other side, and that's, you know... 0.92

02:18:39.000 Or you can shoot yourself. 0.98

02:18:41.000 Or I think we played that country song where it's like I flash my headlights at her window and you can get all fucking crazy in your head about it and just be like, oh, the pleasure monkey's getting pleasure. 1.00

02:18:52.000 Great. 0.96

02:18:53.000 Yeah.

02:18:54.000 Well, men who freak out about their girl liking another guy like, man, You can't win that one.

02:19:01.000 You gotta let it go.

02:19:02.000 Because here's the thing. 0.99

02:19:02.000 When someone likes someone, they fucking like someone. 0.99

02:19:05.000 And you're gonna accept, I can't believe it's fucking cold. 0.99

02:19:08.000 I'm gonna go for a walk naked. 0.99

02:19:09.000 Don't do it. 0.98

02:19:10.000 You're gonna freeze to death. 1.00

02:19:11.000 Fuck that! 1.00

02:19:11.000 I like walking naked. 1.00

02:19:13.000 I know you like walking naked, but you can't go walking naked. 1.00

02:19:15.000 You're gonna fucking freeze to death. 0.99

02:19:17.000 There's a reality of going outside when it's 30 below zero. 1.00

02:19:19.000 Right?

02:19:19.000 Okay.

02:19:20.000 Well, the same reality applies to when someone doesn't like you. 0.99

02:19:24.000 If a girl does not want to have sex with you, but she wants to fuck The Rock, there's not a lot you could say about it. 1.00

02:19:29.000 Okay? 0.99

02:19:29.000 She's not... 0.99

02:19:30.000 Well, you know, The Rock doesn't love you the way I love you, because I love you forever and eternity.

02:19:35.000 And it's not even like the body, it's like the soul.

02:19:37.000 No, it's not going to work. 1.00

02:19:38.000 She's thinking of The Rock and this giant Samoan dick just ramming it home. 1.00

02:19:42.000 That's what she wants, okay? 1.00

02:19:44.000 You've got to accept that, and you're going to have to enjoy another aspect of life other than having sex with this one person who's now having sex with The Rock. 0.99

02:19:52.000 Or be happy for her. 0.99

02:19:53.000 Be like, man, that's fucking awesome. 0.95

02:19:55.000 That's not going to happen. 0.96

02:19:56.000 Let's be real.

02:19:57.000 You know, just...

02:19:58.000 Exactly.

02:19:59.000 Look at that photo.

02:20:00.000 Is that when he's holding one of the... 1.00

02:20:01.000 He slings those fucking Bigfoots, bro. 1.00

02:20:03.000 Those primal bells that we have. 1.00

02:20:05.000 He slings that thing around like it's nothing.

02:20:07.000 That's an enormous human, dude.

02:20:09.000 It's possible to make that move, man.

02:20:11.000 I mean, I've been working on it in my own life. 0.95

02:20:13.000 It's fucking possible. 0.89

02:20:14.000 It's hard. 1.00

02:20:14.000 It's hard as fuck. 1.00

02:20:15.000 But, you know, you can transcend these things and just understand that deeper metaphysical truth. 0.99

02:20:21.000 Pleasure for someone I love makes that person my friend, not my enemy. 0.98

02:20:25.000 Of course, in theory, I believe you, but for the sake of humor, I'm going to keep talking shit about The Rock. 0.99

02:20:33.000 Banging your sister. 0.99

02:20:34.000 There he is. 0.94

02:20:35.000 He's got a gorilla there.

02:20:36.000 Can't believe he uses two hands. 1.00

02:20:37.000 What a bitch. 1.00

02:20:38.000 I threw that around with one. 1.00

02:20:40.000 Yeah.

02:20:40.000 The rock.

02:20:41.000 It's a strong human, man.

02:20:42.000 And you know what?

02:20:43.000 Not just strong physically, but strong.

02:20:46.000 His personality, the way he projects himself.

02:20:49.000 He's a perfect example of someone who projects this very positive vibe, man.

02:20:54.000 He's this very energetic, positive, happy vibe.

02:20:58.000 It's very infectious.

02:20:59.000 Like I see that guy talking.

02:21:01.000 He does like YouTube clips or Instagram clips rather, little videos he makes.

02:21:04.000 And his positivity and genuine enthusiasm and happiness is so infectious. 0.98

02:21:10.000 I'm a fucking fanboy of The Rock. 0.98

02:21:13.000 I said it. 1.00

02:21:14.000 I fucking said it. 1.00

02:21:15.000 I don't care. 0.99

02:21:16.000 You know who's got a great bit?

02:21:18.000 Andrew Santino.

02:21:19.000 I'm not going to give out a word of it.

02:21:21.000 I cannot.

02:21:22.000 I cannot even. 0.95

02:21:23.000 But if you get a chance, Andrew Santino has a fucking hilarious bit about The Rock. 0.99

02:21:28.000 God damn, it's good. 0.99

02:21:29.000 It's really funny. 0.99

02:21:32.000 But that kind of person, man, those are fuel.

02:21:36.000 That's human fuel. 0.81

02:21:37.000 That guy's like a light.

02:21:40.000 I've come to look at ourselves like a software operating system that can constantly get rewritten a little bit, even by the people that you're around.

02:21:47.000 You want to look from the point of mirror neurons.

02:21:51.000 Actually experiencing the same emotional state that the person you're around and or if it's just ideas or thoughts or whatever you want to, however you want to look at it.

02:21:59.000 It's like adding a little bit of code to our code base and sometimes it's helpful and sometimes it's a virus.

02:22:05.000 But the more you surround yourself with people with that kind of positive vibe, it's like building on the software in a positive way around these, you know, more negative people.

02:22:13.000 They're implanting different little, you know, bugs and viruses that you're going to have to scan and remove later.

02:22:19.000 We're essentially all open source.

02:22:20.000 Exactly.

02:22:21.000 100%.

02:22:21.000 Open source operating system.

02:22:22.000 All human beings are open source, but mind your firewall.

02:22:26.000 Totally.

02:22:27.000 Totally.

02:22:27.000 Yeah, be careful.

02:22:28.000 Put yourself in situations where you're adding to that positive code base, the books you're reading, the things you're listening to.

02:22:34.000 And be careful of the things on TV, too, that are adding to creating more of the viruses, supporting these negative thought patterns, these limiting beliefs, these things that are not helpful for the code base.

02:22:47.000 And don't be so committed to these things that you have in your idea, in your mind.

02:22:52.000 Like, don't be so set in your ideas.

02:22:54.000 Because understand that people have to be just as set in their ideas in order to lash someone for being in close proximity with a man. 0.86

02:23:02.000 Or to lash someone who had sex with a woman.

02:23:05.000 Those people have the same... 0.99

02:23:07.000 Or to wait till a woman who's pregnant gives birth before you give her a beating with a stick because she had sex. 0.97

02:23:13.000 Those people believe what they believe just as firmly.

02:23:18.000 And a lot of the notions that we have that we think they're rigid rules, they're not rigid rules.

02:23:23.000 Except dudes with man buns. 0.58

02:23:25.000 Let it go.

02:23:26.000 Okay?

02:23:27.000 Let it go.

02:23:28.000 Stop twisting your mustache in a circle. 0.62

02:23:30.000 No more man bun.

02:23:32.000 No more pocket watch. 1.00

02:23:34.000 Fuck you. 1.00

02:23:35.000 How about that? 1.00

02:23:36.000 Says the man with the fanny pack.

02:23:38.000 Unironically.

02:23:42.000 But, you know what I'm saying?

02:23:43.000 Yeah, man.

02:23:44.000 Man buns.

02:23:45.000 They're not necessary.

02:23:46.000 What are you doing, Steven Seagal?

02:23:48.000 He doesn't even wear one anymore.

02:23:49.000 He gave it up.

02:23:50.000 I got some man-bun friends that are going to be disappointed. 1.00

02:23:53.000 I know they are.

02:23:54.000 They're trying hard.

02:23:55.000 They're trying hard to wear that vest and those weird shoes with the wooden soles.

02:24:01.000 Everybody's just looking for love, and they're looking to judge themselves as a good person.

02:24:06.000 Those are two things that you can get yourself.

02:24:10.000 You can understand that you're worthy of love and supply that, and you can understand that you're a good person just being a person.

02:24:17.000 You don't have to be better than somebody. 0.99

02:24:18.000 You don't have to shit on somebody. 0.99

02:24:19.000 You don't have to have this identity. 0.99

02:24:22.000 Everybody could just relax.

02:24:23.000 And I think a lot of this striving and conflict and suffering just fucking falls away.

02:24:29.000 You're worthy of love and you're good.

02:24:31.000 It's so easy to say.

02:24:32.000 That's a beautiful concept.

02:24:33.000 You're worthy of love.

02:24:34.000 But I think people have to experience a certain amount of difficulty in their life just to exercise their system.

02:24:39.000 I think our system is put in place to have a certain amount of obstacles to overcome. 0.53

02:24:43.000 And when we don't have any, or when it's like really simple stuff that's fucking boring, you know?

02:24:48.000 I think people have real problems with that.

02:24:50.000 I think we have real problems with our minds, real problems physically with our entire unit.

02:24:56.000 I think we absolutely need a certain amount of exertion.

02:25:01.000 100%.

02:25:02.000 I mean, it might not even be physical.

02:25:05.000 Like, my friend Jerron, Jerron Horton, I went to Colorado with him.

02:25:08.000 We did a gig out there.

02:25:09.000 He just got into chess.

02:25:11.000 Just a madman with chess now.

02:25:13.000 Playing on his phone constantly, moving things around. 0.53

02:25:15.000 And he's like, you want to play? 1.00

02:25:16.000 I'm like, fuck that. 1.00

02:25:16.000 I'm not getting sucked into that goddamn rabbit hole. 1.00

02:25:19.000 I see him there, on the plane. 1.00

02:25:20.000 Can't wait to play chess. 1.00

02:25:21.000 As soon as we're off in the sky, he's all fucking with his phone and shit. 1.00

02:25:27.000 That is another discipline. 0.99

02:25:28.000 I mean, they're all disciplines.

02:25:29.000 They're all these different things that you try to seek truth through.

02:25:33.000 I mean, chess is a form of combat.

02:25:35.000 You know, it's just not painful.

02:25:37.000 But it's most certainly...

02:25:38.000 Yeah, it's a form of combat.

02:25:39.000 It's absolutely a form...

02:25:41.000 It's a contest.

02:25:42.000 You know, if you treat it as a war, I mean, that is essentially what you're doing.

02:25:46.000 You're breaking it down to a very innocuous, very safe, but...

02:25:51.000 Very obvious what's going on.

02:25:52.000 I'm testing my intellect against your intellect, and we're going to do so through a very established series of movements that these things are allowed to participate in.

02:26:01.000 We have an established playing field.

02:26:04.000 You know the rules.

02:26:04.000 I know the rules.

02:26:06.000 I think I'm smarter than you.

02:26:07.000 Go.

02:26:07.000 And you have that little clock thing that those dudes have.

02:26:10.000 Those dudes, they fuck with you, so they move it quick, and then they hit that fucking clock. 1.00

02:26:13.000 Oh! 1.00

02:26:14.000 And you want to move it quick, too? 1.00

02:26:15.000 You want to say, fuck you, bitch. 1.00

02:26:17.000 I know that. 1.00

02:26:17.000 Click, clack, click, clack, click, clack, click, clack. 1.00

02:26:19.000 And you see them giving up pieces and moving fast.

02:26:21.000 That's some mental war.

02:26:23.000 They're playing a mental, some sort of a strategic conquest game.

02:26:28.000 Yeah.

02:26:29.000 And that's one of, like you said, that discipline.

02:26:33.000 There's so many ways up the mountain, but you need a mountain.

02:26:35.000 You need something.

02:26:36.000 You need a mountain.

02:26:37.000 It's not mutually exclusive to the self-love aspect. 1.00

02:26:41.000 You can still find your mountain without thinking you're a piece of shit when you stumble because everybody fucking stumbles. 0.99

02:26:47.000 It doesn't mean you're It doesn't mean that you should hate yourself. 1.00

02:26:50.000 It doesn't mean that you should isolate yourself from the love of the world because you feel you're not worthy of it and just create these negative patterns. 0.96

02:26:56.000 Like, yes, go out, fucking find your mountain. 0.86

02:26:59.000 But when you stumble, like everybody fucking does, understand that that's just life. 0.99

02:27:03.000 Like, we're all going to stumble. 0.98

02:27:04.000 You just get up and keep going. 1.00

02:27:06.000 Maybe you, bitch. 1.00

02:27:08.000 I'm not stumbling. 1.00

02:27:09.000 I got this new thing I'm doing, bro.

02:27:11.000 I'm doing a lot of tightrope walking in the house.

02:27:13.000 I got rope set up all around the house.

02:27:15.000 Tightrope walking to the kitchen.

02:27:17.000 I figured somebody could do it.

02:27:18.000 I saw this thing.

02:27:19.000 This dude lives in the mountains.

02:27:20.000 Just tightrope to work.

02:27:23.000 I mean, someone tightropes right across these giant spaces.

02:27:27.000 What's to stop people from just doing that all the time?

02:27:29.000 From creating like a civilization high up in the sky. 1.00

02:27:31.000 And if you fall down, you're fucked. 1.00

02:27:32.000 So don't fall. 1.00

02:27:33.000 And just tightrope.

02:27:35.000 Because people love to drink.

02:27:36.000 That's why.

02:27:36.000 That's a problem.

02:27:37.000 That's why.

02:27:38.000 You gotta get that psychedelic honey.

02:27:39.000 That helps you tightrope better.

02:27:41.000 Tightrope over to the psychedelic honeycomb, snatch it. 0.94

02:27:44.000 You gotta stay calm while they're stinging the fuck out of you and you're stealing beehive stuff.

02:27:49.000 You ever gone skiing on mushrooms? 0.89

02:27:51.000 You were telling me how awesome that is.

02:27:53.000 Oh, man.

02:27:53.000 And I need to try it.

02:27:54.000 It's the best.

02:27:56.000 Skiing to me is a weird thing.

02:27:59.000 It's like, I can do it, but I'm always like, the consequences of this little bit of fun is really not worth it. 0.99

02:28:05.000 I do it because my family likes to do it, but part of me is like, don't fall down, bitch. 1.00

02:28:09.000 Don't fall down, bitch. 1.00

02:28:10.000 Don't fall down, bitch. 1.00

02:28:11.000 Okay. 1.00

02:28:12.000 Here we go again. 1.00

02:28:13.000 Don't fall down, bitch. 1.00

02:28:14.000 Don't fall down. 1.00

02:28:17.000 I mean, it's fun.

02:28:18.000 I get it.

02:28:19.000 And if I was better at it, it'd probably be even more fun. 0.96

02:28:21.000 But it's like, dude, I know too many people that have fucked their bodies up skiing. 0.99

02:28:25.000 I mean, fucked up. 0.99

02:28:27.000 Blown their kneecap up to the side of their hip and their fucking legs broken seven places and their necks never moving to the left ever again. 1.00

02:28:35.000 They're like, whoa, what happened? 0.99

02:28:36.000 I hit a tree.

02:28:37.000 I'm one of the lucky ones.

02:28:39.000 I think that's why people like skiing and even why people like riding a motorcycle.

02:28:43.000 It's like the stakes are high.

02:28:45.000 When the stakes are high, you have to focus on what you're doing and then you're present again.

02:28:49.000 So it's fun.

02:28:50.000 Yeah.

02:28:51.000 Gotta get better at it.

02:28:52.000 That's what it is. 1.00

02:28:52.000 Just coming up with bitch ass excuses. 1.00

02:28:57.000 But what's easier, snowboarding or skiing? 1.00

02:29:00.000 Skiing, I think. 1.00

02:29:01.000 Really?

02:29:01.000 Interesting.

02:29:02.000 Well, at least for me when I've tried it.

02:29:04.000 Snowboarding, the falls are way gnarlier. 1.00

02:29:07.000 Maybe see a bitch. 1.00

02:29:09.000 When you fall and you catch your toe edge, you slam back. 1.00

02:29:13.000 Oh, yeah.

02:29:14.000 I've gotten...

02:29:14.000 I hit my head so hard coming from a steep mountain down into a flat and caught an edge on this icy part.

02:29:21.000 I hit the back of my head so hard that the front of my goggle lenses... 0.97

02:29:25.000 Popped off into the air like a fucking pop tart out of a toaster, right? 0.99

02:29:30.000 And I was fucked like I couldn't ski. 1.00

02:29:33.000 Did you get KO'd? 1.00

02:29:33.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

02:29:34.000 I was out, woke up, people were like helpfully, like terrified, helpfully like, you okay?

02:29:39.000 And so that probably wouldn't happen if you were skiing, huh?

02:29:41.000 It can, but it's less likely because the way that you catch that edge and just like hook up the board and it's like a slingshot.

02:29:48.000 It just slams your head back down.

02:29:50.000 Where skiing you'll like usually skid out or tumble or...

02:29:53.000 Right.

02:29:54.000 One of those things. 0.99

02:29:57.000 That's why it makes it harder to learn, because there's these fucking fatal crashes you do on a snowboard. 0.99

02:30:04.000 Yeah, and skiing too, man. 0.98

02:30:05.000 Sometimes some people get too close to you.

02:30:07.000 That's another problem.

02:30:08.000 They don't know how to control themselves very good, and they're kind of out of control, and so you have to adjust quickly to get away from them. 1.00

02:30:16.000 Like, ah, shit. 0.99

02:30:17.000 This lady was coming down like, ah! 1.00

02:30:19.000 It looked like she was going to go down hard, but she got by me. 0.99

02:30:22.000 I'm like, oh shit, I've got to duck this lady. 1.00

02:30:24.000 So I had to take a hard left, but then the trees are right there. 1.00

02:30:27.000 I'm like, fuck, I've got to take a hard right. 0.97

02:30:29.000 Oh, it ain't working. 0.99

02:30:30.000 Boom! 0.99

02:30:31.000 I was fine, but I was like, ooh, boy.

02:30:35.000 That can go wrong if you're in the wrong spot when that happens.

02:30:39.000 If there's a tree there and you cannot get away from that tree. 0.83

02:30:43.000 Like, you gotta be real fucking careful who you zig and zag. 1.00

02:30:46.000 I'll take that bitch out next time. 1.00

02:30:48.000 If we're near a tree, sorry lady. 1.00

02:30:50.000 We're both going down together.

02:30:51.000 I hope you know how to fall.

02:30:52.000 Like what they say, don't swerve for the deer.

02:30:56.000 Yeah, you're supposed to just hit the gas, right?

02:30:58.000 No?

02:30:58.000 No.

02:31:00.000 You're supposed to not do anything.

02:31:02.000 You're supposed to just let it hit your car. 0.99

02:31:03.000 But that's ridiculous. 0.97

02:31:04.000 That's like saying don't blink when someone punches you. 0.99

02:31:06.000 Right.

02:31:06.000 How many deers do you get to hit before you realize not to hit the gas?

02:31:10.000 It would be like, have you ever seen a picture of Floyd Mayweather eating a jab?

02:31:14.000 Like he's getting a punch in the face but his eyes are wide open and he's punching back.

02:31:18.000 Yeah.

02:31:18.000 Because he's so conditioned to being punched, he's so used to it that he can keep his eyes open as the punches are coming in and then counter perfectly.

02:31:25.000 You're not going to have that kind of resolve with a deer.

02:31:27.000 No.

02:31:27.000 You're going to hit that break.

02:31:28.000 Yeah.

02:31:29.000 You're going to swerve. 0.99

02:31:29.000 Gotta get one of them giant fucking meat cleaver bumpers that they have. 0.99

02:31:33.000 Like people who live in Wyoming and shit. 1.00

02:31:35.000 They have those road warrior bumpers on their trucks. 1.00

02:31:38.000 It just makes different stakes.

02:31:40.000 It's like cut in like T-bone and then it's like extruded like Play-Doh.

02:31:45.000 Yeah.

02:31:46.000 You have to like, some places you can't just throw it in the back of your truck either.

02:31:50.000 You have to kind of call somebody and prove that you hit it that way because they want to discourage poaching.

02:31:55.000 Which makes a lot of sense, man.

02:31:58.000 But... 1.00

02:31:59.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

02:32:03.000 Deer jumping in front of your car. 1.00

02:32:05.000 What are the odds that you're going to go, okay, you can't hit those brakes.

02:32:09.000 Remember, they said just don't swerve.

02:32:11.000 Just hit the deer. 1.00

02:32:12.000 Fuck that. 1.00

02:32:13.000 I think some people are better at that super calm moment of decision-making and crisis. 1.00

02:32:19.000 I've been around people in certain situations that you can't prepare for. 0.97

02:32:24.000 And then there's some people who just freeze, like straight fucking freeze. 0.96

02:32:27.000 Yeah. 0.95

02:32:28.000 And then some people who act.

02:32:29.000 And I think all...

02:32:31.000 Like, police officers and military, they train yourself past the freeze.

02:32:34.000 But it's funny, like, I was in Australia, and this dude was drinking Bundaberg overproof rum, and he was used to doing this trick with regular Bundaberg rum, which is Bundaberg rum, where he lights it on fire and pours it in his mouth, and it goes out when it hits his mouth.

02:32:49.000 But he was doing it instead with overproof rum, right, which he'd never done before. 0.98

02:32:54.000 Well, the thing with Overproof Home is that motherfucker doesn't go out ever, period. 0.98

02:32:58.000 Like, the wind is not gonna get it out. 0.99

02:32:59.000 So he's pouring this flaming shot and it doesn't go out.

02:33:02.000 And so his face catches fire.

02:33:04.000 Oh, Jesus.

02:33:04.000 Full, full-on Hellraiser face catches fire.

02:33:07.000 He's in the kitchen of the house we're renting.

02:33:09.000 Oh, Jesus.

02:33:10.000 And everybody is just looking at him.

02:33:12.000 He's clawing at his face.

02:33:13.000 It's not working, obviously.

02:33:14.000 He doesn't know what to do.

02:33:15.000 Right. 0.97

02:33:16.000 And then I'm looking at him, and I don't know what the fuck to do, and everybody's just staying there. 0.97

02:33:21.000 So I go to the faucet, and I'm trying to get water and spray it on him from the faucet. 0.96

02:33:25.000 Not the right thing.

02:33:26.000 I should have put a towel or a rug over his head.

02:33:28.000 But you just don't think.

02:33:30.000 You're not prepared at that moment.

02:33:32.000 Right. 0.99

02:33:32.000 And then so eventually he fucking rolls around on the ground and figures it out. 0.99

02:33:38.000 Did he get burnt? 0.99

02:33:38.000 He got burnt, but it was more like a facial. 0.99

02:33:41.000 Like took the first layer off and he had like a nice laser peel for a little while.

02:33:45.000 Oh yeah, like when someone goes and does that and then doesn't say anything, you're supposed to go, okay, did you just visit the sun?

02:33:52.000 He looked a little bit like that.

02:33:53.000 He ended up being fine.

02:33:54.000 But I've been around other people.

02:33:56.000 Like another incident was like a home stripper pole, right?

02:33:59.000 And I was there with Roger Huerta, right?

02:34:01.000 That's a house you should never buy.

02:34:03.000 We're talking about a haunted house.

02:34:04.000 And we have your own pole.

02:34:05.000 There's a home stripper pole and it was tied to the wall and this girl gets on there and she's swinging. 1.00

02:34:11.000 She's a little bit bigger.

02:34:12.000 We're all around.

02:34:13.000 We're all kind of laughing.

02:34:14.000 Everybody's closed.

02:34:14.000 We're all just laughing.

02:34:15.000 And the pole goes, like, unhinges from the roof.

02:34:20.000 And she's going timber from, like, ten feet up. 0.94

02:34:23.000 Up inverted.

02:34:24.000 Like, it's going to be really bad.

02:34:26.000 And literally everybody around the circle just looked like... 0.99

02:34:30.000 Damn, this is going to be bad. 0.97

02:34:33.000 And Roger just quickly, like, immediately moves over and, like, grabs the pole. 0.99

02:34:37.000 Like, superhero style.

02:34:38.000 And that's when I realized, like, that's a different dude.

02:34:41.000 That's a dude that when that totally random thing happens, he has the ability to act instead of just look around like all of us dummies. 0.99

02:34:49.000 Like, damn, that's going to hurt. 0.99

02:34:51.000 Yeah, that's a good point. 0.99

02:34:53.000 That's hilarious. 0.99

02:34:54.000 Well, Roger's the same guy that knocked out that fucking dude who punched that girl in Austin. 1.00

02:34:58.000 That was a crazy, giant football player. 0.99

02:35:02.000 This is when Roger was fighting the UFC, and he was fighting at 155 pounds.

02:35:07.000 He's not a big guy.

02:35:08.000 And this football player, who knows what the story was, walked up to some woman and punched her in the face. 0.81

02:35:14.000 Punched her in the back of the head. 0.76

02:35:15.000 Yeah.

02:35:15.000 So they were coming out of a club, and it was actually a club that we used to go to a lot.

02:35:19.000 I just happened to be out of town that weekend.

02:35:21.000 But we're coming out of the club, and this girl, like, he gets, the guy gets in, like, a fight with one of, like, her boyfriends or whatever, and then she's, like...

02:35:29.000 Well, show the whole thing, because he punches the girl in the head. 1.00

02:35:31.000 Show the whole thing from the beginning.

02:35:33.000 This is the beginning.

02:35:33.000 But, no, you get a little bit of red there.

02:35:36.000 There you go.

02:35:36.000 Here it comes.

02:35:37.000 Boom.

02:35:38.000 Okay, watch this. 0.99

02:35:39.000 Punches her right in the back of the head. 0.99

02:35:41.000 Boom. 0.82

02:35:42.000 And just flattens her.

02:35:44.000 And then walks away. 1.00

02:35:46.000 And everybody's like, what the fuck? 1.00

02:35:48.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:35:48.000 And this guy's huge. 1.00

02:35:49.000 And look at Roger.

02:35:50.000 Roger walks up to him.

02:35:51.000 He's literally 100 pounds lighter than him.

02:35:54.000 And I'm not kidding.

02:35:55.000 And Roger starts talking to him.

02:35:56.000 Roger says at that point, you can't do that, man.

02:35:59.000 You can't do that, man.

02:36:00.000 Wow.

02:36:01.000 And so Roger walks up and decides, okay, I'm taking my shirt off.

02:36:05.000 And takes his shirt off because he doesn't want the dude to be able to grab his shirt.

02:36:08.000 Like he's thinking strategically.

02:36:10.000 Yeah.

02:36:10.000 Like, which is like way one step ahead.

02:36:12.000 It's not like he's going to physically intimidate this guy.

02:36:14.000 The guy's giant.

02:36:15.000 And so Roger's standing in front of this guy and the dude's big.

02:36:21.000 And looks like somebody else tried to jump in too.

02:36:23.000 Yeah, somebody else tried to jump in on both sides and stop him from fighting.

02:36:27.000 That guy runs and then Roger corners him by the truck, which you can't see going on right now.

02:36:34.000 Corners him by the truck, the guy swings, Roger somehow gets him in a Muay Thai clinch and starts kneeing him in the head.

02:36:39.000 And knees him in the head and then stomps him. 1.00

02:36:45.000 Old Pride rules style.

02:36:47.000 And this all happens in 15-20 seconds.

02:36:50.000 Maybe not even.

02:36:51.000 It was really quick.

02:36:52.000 Like yeah, the whole video is only 2 minutes and 28 seconds long.

02:36:56.000 And it became this viral, gigantic hit.

02:36:59.000 Whatever happened to that dude?

02:37:00.000 Did he get in trouble for that?

02:37:03.000 I don't know.

02:37:04.000 I don't think so.

02:37:04.000 I know that the police knew, obviously, that Roger hit him and they just basically shook his hand and were like, hey, alright, we understand.

02:37:12.000 But I don't think anything ever happened to that dude. 0.98

02:37:14.000 But that was fucking brutal. 0.99

02:37:15.000 Horrible. 1.00

02:37:16.000 He just went full overhand right to the back of that chick's head. 1.00

02:37:19.000 Yeah.

02:37:20.000 But he's just that type of dude.

02:37:22.000 He also saved somebody from drowning on the beach.

02:37:25.000 He just finds himself in situations and he acts, whereas other people might freeze or might not.

02:37:32.000 Well, he had a brutal upbringing.

02:37:34.000 And I think sometimes people that have overcome brutality when they're younger, they develop this ability to understand, like, oh, I've been here before.

02:37:42.000 I know what this is all about.

02:37:43.000 I know what this kind of chaos is.

02:37:45.000 There's only one way out of this thing.

02:37:46.000 You've got to meet it head-on.

02:37:48.000 Whereas someone who's coddled, who grows up in a cushioned room, everything's dull, there's no sharp edges, that person, when confronted with some horrific situation, like some giant steroided-up football player, punches a girl in the back of the head, and you've got to act, and that guy's 100 pounds bigger than you,

02:38:05.000 and Roger just takes his shirt off.

02:38:08.000 Roger's just like, well, can't have him grab me. 1.00

02:38:12.000 That's the dude you don't want to fuck with, for sure. 1.00

02:38:14.000 The unemotional dude. 0.99

02:38:15.000 I really wish that he didn't have that falling out with the UFC. People forget that Roger Huerta was the first guy to ever be on the cover of Sports Illustrated for MMA. He was on the fucking cover of Sports Illustrated.

02:38:26.000 He was being groomed as one of the top guys. 0.99

02:38:29.000 But there was some sort of dispute between him and the UFC. Who knows which side is correct?

02:38:34.000 Who knows what happened?

02:38:35.000 But he wound up leaving the UFC and then, you know...

02:38:38.000 He just won his last fight.

02:38:39.000 Did he?

02:38:40.000 Is he in one now?

02:38:41.000 Is he fighting over in 1FC? I think so, yeah.

02:38:43.000 1FC's got some real talent, man.

02:38:44.000 You know, they've got Ben Askren over there.

02:38:47.000 But I heard it's crazy.

02:38:48.000 You know who's got some real talent right now?

02:38:50.000 Bellator welterweight division.

02:38:52.000 Douglas Lima just knocked out Koroskov. 0.99

02:38:54.000 You know, that guy who fucked up... 0.99

02:38:57.000 What the hell's his name? 1.00

02:39:01.000 He's beaten a few guys. 0.81

02:39:03.000 Let me think.

02:39:03.000 Koroskov...

02:39:07.000 What the fuck did he beat up? 1.00

02:39:10.000 God damn it. 1.00

02:39:11.000 What am I thinking of? 0.99

02:39:12.000 Give me his Koroskov's last few...

02:39:16.000 I know he fought Benson Henderson.

02:39:19.000 He beat Benson Henderson up when Benson came over to Bellator.

02:39:23.000 And he fought his welterweight for the first time.

02:39:25.000 And then Benson just fought...

02:39:27.000 You got it?

02:39:33.000 Wait a minute.

02:39:34.000 Why does it say Douglas Lima twice?

02:39:35.000 Douglas Lima is the opponent?

02:39:37.000 Who is?

02:39:37.000 Is this Korshkov?

02:39:38.000 Oh, he lost to Douglas Lima twice?

02:39:40.000 He won the first one, lost the second one. 0.99

02:39:42.000 Oh, he won the first one because Lima had a fucked up knee. 0.99

02:39:45.000 That's right. 0.97

02:39:45.000 And then he beat Benson and then Lima just crushed him in the rematch. 0.97

02:39:49.000 Which fight am I thinking of, man?

02:39:51.000 I can't believe I can't remember which fight it was.

02:39:53.000 But the Benson Henderson one was a big one.

02:39:55.000 Even though it was a decision, you could tell the difference in size is pretty significant.

02:39:59.000 But then when Lima fought...

02:40:02.000 Korshkov, you could see Lima looked way bigger than Korshkov.

02:40:05.000 And they've got Paul Daly.

02:40:07.000 Okay, that's what it is.

02:40:09.000 I'm getting all confused.

02:40:10.000 Lima beat Paul Daly, who's super legit, and he beat him by decision, and then just knocked out Korshkov.

02:40:17.000 For some reason, I thought Lima, or I thought Daly had fought Koreshkov.

02:40:21.000 I fucked it up.

02:40:22.000 But Daly's super legit. 1.00

02:40:24.000 I mean, Daly's a scary fucking striker. 0.99

02:40:26.000 Sure. 0.99

02:40:26.000 So for Lima to beat him, and to beat Benson Henderson, who's relatively undersized for the division, and then to knock out Koreshkov like that, I mean, that was stunning shit. 0.99

02:40:35.000 I think he's world class. 0.69

02:40:37.000 Meanwhile, that guy was ragdolled by Ben Askren, who's the 1FC champ.

02:40:41.000 Ragdolled. 1.00

02:40:42.000 Both of them were.

02:40:43.000 Koreshkov and Lima, both ragdolled by Askren. 1.00

02:40:46.000 Askren's a motherfucker, dude. 0.99

02:40:48.000 Yeah, his wrestling's on another level. 1.00

02:40:49.000 When did he lose?

02:40:50.000 When did Douglas Lima lose to Askren?

02:40:53.000 Put up Lima's record again.

02:40:56.000 Did I fuck that up?

02:40:59.000 Back in April.

02:41:00.000 Back in April?

02:41:01.000 2002. 2012, yeah.

02:41:04.000 See, Lima's had some serious injuries.

02:41:06.000 He had serious knee surgery.

02:41:09.000 But that was quite a few years ago.

02:41:11.000 But Ben Askren did that to him.

02:41:13.000 He did that to Koreshkov.

02:41:15.000 He's done that to a lot of dudes.

02:41:16.000 He gets a hold of those guys and just...

02:41:18.000 They look like...

02:41:20.000 World beaters until he gets a hold of them.

02:41:22.000 He drags them.

02:41:23.000 Lyman Good.

02:41:24.000 He did it to Lyman Good, too.

02:41:25.000 Same thing. 0.99

02:41:26.000 Gets a hold of them, drags them to the ground, beats the fuck out of them. 0.98

02:41:28.000 They can't get up. 0.99

02:41:29.000 It's just crazy.

02:41:31.000 And he's so relaxed.

02:41:32.000 I saw him do that to somebody.

02:41:34.000 He's like riding them like a bull.

02:41:36.000 Yeah.

02:41:36.000 Like waving to the crowd.

02:41:37.000 People are booing.

02:41:38.000 He doesn't care. 1.00

02:41:39.000 He doesn't give a fuck. 0.99

02:41:41.000 It's one of my most perplexing puzzles in MMA. But when he fought in Bellator, when Jay Heron went over there, Jay Heron gave him a hell of a fight. 0.99

02:41:56.000 And Jay Heron, who was a very good fighter, who didn't do so good in the UFC, but was really talented, And then went over and had this fight with Askren and Bellator.

02:42:07.000 I mean, Jay Haran was, you know, a good wrestler with a little bit better crisper striking than Askren and managed to keep it on the feet a lot.

02:42:15.000 And Askren had a real problem with that.

02:42:16.000 So that was one of those things where I was like, man, I want to see him against world-class fighters who know how to stuff that takedown.

02:42:22.000 Against a real good wrestler who knows how to stuff the takedown.

02:42:25.000 Who's his size?

02:42:26.000 But Michael Chandler just beat Benson Henderson, too.

02:42:30.000 They've got real talent over there now.

02:42:32.000 No doubt.

02:42:32.000 But it's still one of those things where nobody watches it.

02:42:34.000 It's like, you look at the ratings, it's like, they're lucky they get a few hundred thousand.

02:42:37.000 Well, it's the human drama that people love.

02:42:40.000 And the bigger that personality, the more it's a celebrity, the more interested you are in the fight.

02:42:46.000 You get to understand this character that Conor McGregor is, and it's part of the compelling nature of watching the fight.

02:42:53.000 The personality, people want to identify with it.

02:42:55.000 I think it's the difference between a good epic movie and a shitty epic movie. 0.71

02:43:00.000 A good epic movie, you fall in love with the characters before the fucked up stuff happens that propels them on their hero's journey. 0.99

02:43:07.000 You can't just go straight out of the gate and show that whole backstory happened and then he's all of a sudden kicking ass. 0.92

02:43:13.000 You want to be emotionally invested and then every time they're swinging a You know, swinging a sword or every time you're watching them punch and take down, you're way more invested.

02:43:22.000 And I think boxing did that with 24-7.

02:43:25.000 The UFC's done that with all their embedded.

02:43:27.000 And I think that's just something that they do better than anybody else.

02:43:31.000 They get you emotionally invested into the fighter.

02:43:34.000 And then when you're there, you know, that's when you really want to watch.

02:43:38.000 There's also those epic personalities, those mega personalities that come around every few generations, or once a generation, or a couple times a generation, I should probably say.

02:43:47.000 Like the Tysons, or the Sugar Ray Leonards, or the people that people are just so compelled to watch. 0.91

02:43:52.000 And Conor's just one of those people.

02:43:54.000 If he was in boxing and having the same sort of success, he would be just as big.

02:43:57.000 He'd be gigantic.

02:43:58.000 Sure.

02:43:58.000 Yeah, I mean, if Triple G had his personality.

02:44:00.000 Oh, my God.

02:44:01.000 Oh, my God.

02:44:03.000 I mean, Jesus Christ.

02:44:04.000 But Triple G's not doing things the way Conor's doing things.

02:44:08.000 Not even close.

02:44:09.000 Because Conor has those little gloves on and, you know, he's fighting MMA. He's landing these one shots that just stun guys and have them rocked.

02:44:19.000 And he's putting them away like he's got lead in his hands.

02:44:21.000 Sort of a different thing.

02:44:22.000 Like you see his fight with Jose Aldo.

02:44:24.000 You very rarely see that happen 13 seconds in a world championship boxing match where someone connects with one shot and flatlines somebody.

02:44:32.000 That's in the realm of MMA almost exclusively in early fights like that.

02:44:37.000 It's so rare that in a championship fight someone knocks someone dead in 13 seconds.

02:44:42.000 But in the UFC it can happen all the time. 0.99

02:44:45.000 I mean, it just fucking happens. 0.94

02:44:47.000 There's a lot less armor on that button. 0.98

02:44:50.000 On the lights out button.

02:44:51.000 Yeah.

02:44:52.000 A lot less padding in there.

02:44:53.000 A lot harder to defend, too.

02:44:54.000 It's easier to defend with those big gloves.

02:44:56.000 Yeah.

02:44:56.000 There's so much going on with big gloves versus small gloves.

02:45:00.000 You see guys that have devoted their whole life to big glove defense and then they come in and the small gloves just don't offer the same sort of protection.

02:45:06.000 Even look at Nicky Holskine's main defense.

02:45:09.000 He gets in that kind of turtle pose where he pretty much is covering everything that's super important in his head with his gloves and forearms.

02:45:16.000 You can't do that with the little gloves.

02:45:18.000 No, you can't.

02:45:20.000 But, see, that's one of the cool things about watching a guy like Holtzkin, is that he can do that.

02:45:24.000 Like, with the big gloves, you're like, oh, look what you can do here.

02:45:26.000 Right.

02:45:27.000 You can't hit that guy.

02:45:28.000 Well, he, uh, did you ever see his fight with Raymond Daniels?

02:45:31.000 Two fights.

02:45:32.000 Uh-huh, yeah.

02:45:32.000 Yeah, he walks him down, man.

02:45:34.000 Just beats the legs up. 0.99

02:45:35.000 Walks him down, starts beating the fuck out of him. 0.99

02:45:37.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:45:37.000 Just absorbs those shots, keeps chop, chop, chopping away. 0.99

02:45:41.000 He's a bad motherfucker, dude. 1.00

02:45:43.000 There's a bunch of those guys now. 1.00

02:45:44.000 I just hope that it gets the attention that it deserves because these guys are really risking their health in such a dramatic way.

02:45:53.000 Well, Whitney's working for Glory now. 0.97

02:45:55.000 I saw!

02:45:56.000 Holla! 1.00

02:45:57.000 Shout out to AtMist2Jits. 0.95

02:45:58.000 I saw that, dude.

02:46:00.000 She's going to Germany.

02:46:01.000 We were in here and Joe Schilling and Eve Edwards and I did a Glory fight companion. 0.99

02:46:07.000 And we're like, oh shit, look at what happened. 1.00

02:46:09.000 Interview motherfuckers. 1.00

02:46:10.000 Does she like it? 1.00

02:46:11.000 Yeah, she likes it.

02:46:13.000 It's, you know, for some reason...

02:46:19.000 I don't know what the reason is, but for some reason, it's just never completely took root in America.

02:46:25.000 But it's not because of the talent.

02:46:26.000 I think it's, again, you've got to tell those stories.

02:46:29.000 That's what people want.

02:46:31.000 You need to invest way more in the pre-fight video crew that's putting out these videos or get a reality TV show.

02:46:40.000 So I think that's a genius thing that the UFC did.

02:46:43.000 Exposing people to the personality of these characters.

02:46:46.000 And then when you watch them fight, you care. 1.00

02:46:48.000 That's the fucking missing piece. 0.99

02:46:50.000 I think they're always looking at how can we improve the actual sport. 0.99

02:46:53.000 You've got to improve the people's access inside these combatants.

02:46:58.000 And I think that's the key.

02:47:00.000 You know, another thing?

02:47:01.000 It doesn't seem like there's...

02:47:03.000 A number, like a venue that is anything even remotely like the venues that used to exist just like 10 years ago as far as like putting a fight on Showtime or putting a fight on HBO or putting a fight on NBC. Seems like 10, 20 years ago you could have put Muay Thai on NBC at 9 o'clock at night at some crazy Muay Thai night and people would have got hooked like,

02:47:24.000 whoa, this is nuts.

02:47:25.000 But now it seems like there's so many options for entertainment.

02:47:29.000 Mm-hmm.

02:47:30.000 It's really difficult to lock in a substantial group of people just by putting something on a certain time of night.

02:47:36.000 They have so many choices.

02:47:37.000 There's almost too many choices.

02:47:39.000 We're almost overrun with possibilities to stare into the looking glass and get enchanted.

02:47:44.000 You know?

02:47:45.000 It's true.

02:47:46.000 But I think ultimately that's our salvation.

02:47:48.000 You get all of the choices and then you can really decide what you want.

02:47:54.000 I think we're going to be robots.

02:47:56.000 That's what I think.

02:47:57.000 I really do.

02:47:58.000 Conscious robots.

02:47:59.000 We're that anyways.

02:48:00.000 I think that's the cool part about Westworld is it's showing that where is robot, where is consciousness, at what level.

02:48:07.000 And I think we're just a more complicated version of that.

02:48:10.000 Yeah, man.

02:48:10.000 Don't spoil the alert.

02:48:11.000 I haven't seen the last episode.

02:48:12.000 Yeah, I haven't seen it either.

02:48:13.000 Oh, the last one's next week.

02:48:14.000 Okay.

02:48:15.000 I've seen all of them up until now.

02:48:16.000 I'm caught up.

02:48:17.000 But a lot of people listening aren't.

02:48:19.000 Yeah.

02:48:20.000 I think before that ever happens, before there's a place where you can go and interact with robots, you're going to be one.

02:48:26.000 I think it's going to be way more likely that you're going to take people that have been injured, like soldiers that have lost a limb in a war, they're going to replace them with better limbs.

02:48:34.000 Then the first person's going to offer to get their limbs cut off.

02:48:37.000 It's probably going to be someone with a disease where their limbs don't work so well.

02:48:40.000 They get them cut off and then they win the Olympics. 0.99

02:48:42.000 They start jumping over buildings and shit. 0.98

02:48:44.000 Next thing you know, everybody's like, why not have these regular legs? 1.00

02:48:47.000 And then one day it's going to get to a point where you can take your whole brain, take that brain, stick it in a fucking other body. 0.99

02:48:53.000 I think it's not necessarily the brain. 0.99

02:48:55.000 I think it's whatever that thing that we call consciousness.

02:48:58.000 Maybe that originates from the brain.

02:48:59.000 Maybe it's something separate.

02:49:01.000 But the transfer of consciousness, that's one of those archetypal stories, like a religious story, the shapeshifter.

02:49:07.000 Like you find in so many cultures, someone who can transfer their consciousness to another vehicle.

02:49:12.000 I think that's definitely going to happen.

02:49:15.000 We're going to be able to transfer our consciousness into other things that can hold that level of complexity.

02:49:21.000 As long as it can hold that level of complexity, I think trying to transfer our consciousness into a stink bug would be really challenging.

02:49:28.000 Obviously, the brain and how that works. 0.99

02:49:30.000 It's putting something that's too big into something too little.

02:49:33.000 But if something is of similar complexity, I think we could transfer our consciousness into there.

02:49:38.000 We just got to figure out what consciousness is, how we measure it, somewhere in between the spaces of quantum physics.

02:49:45.000 Maybe that's the frontier.

02:49:47.000 Maybe it's somewhere.

02:49:48.000 But how we transfer that, I think, we'll ultimately figure out.

02:49:51.000 And I think we know it.

02:49:52.000 And I think that's why it's in all these stories.

02:49:54.000 The wargs.

02:49:55.000 Yeah, they're going to have conversations with people.

02:49:57.000 They say, hey man, don't worry about it.

02:49:58.000 We made a copy of your brain, so if it doesn't work, we'll just put you back in your own body.

02:50:01.000 Like, oh, cool, you made a copy.

02:50:03.000 Yeah, it's a copy from November 21st, 2016. Do not worry.

02:50:07.000 Everything from here back...

02:50:08.000 You're not going to remember anything from today, but it's no big deal, man. 0.99

02:50:11.000 You're going to lose a couple days of shit going on. 0.99

02:50:13.000 You catch up, get on your Twitter... 0.99

02:50:15.000 Or the consciousness just rides and it goes out of body for a little while, stays current, and then just drops back in.

02:50:22.000 Well, now you're talking crazy.

02:50:23.000 I don't know why you just gotta take it to the next level.

02:50:27.000 I just feel like we're gonna come to a point where we figure out how to express ourselves outside of language.

02:50:35.000 This is what I believe.

02:50:36.000 I believe that the intention, like pure intention, we're gonna be able to broadcast that through some form of third-party software, hardware solution, whatever it is.

02:50:46.000 Like they'll be able to figure out what the actual intention of a thought is and transmit that.

02:50:52.000 And so instead of a sentence, it'll be a series of thoughts That you can transfer the intention where you know it without language. 0.97

02:50:59.000 You don't have to have a comprehension of German to be able to communicate with a person from Germany because you'll be able to see whatever they're thinking in pure intent or feel it or know it or whatever the fuck it is.

02:51:12.000 And that's so much closer to truth than language, which is always just an approximation. 0.80

02:51:16.000 Right.

02:51:16.000 It's just a symbol for an idea, whereas if you could express in pure intent, you know, like just the feeling of it.

02:51:22.000 And I think that's also what you experience sometimes in the psychedelic state. 0.96

02:51:26.000 You feel what you would think is God, and you can't fucking describe it. 0.95

02:51:30.000 All of the words fail. 0.96

02:51:32.000 Nothing that makes sense when you're actually talking about it, but you feel it.

02:51:35.000 And the intent of that thing is there.

02:51:37.000 And then you just approximate it and approximate it until...

02:51:40.000 It almost gets ridiculous. 0.73

02:51:42.000 And it is ridiculous, because you can't put that into words, but you feel that. 0.90

02:51:47.000 Yeah.

02:51:47.000 And the only way you really have a reference is if you've experienced it as well.

02:51:51.000 You're saying this, and I'm listening to you say this, and I agree with you, and then I'm like, man, how would I describe it any differently to somebody?

02:51:59.000 And I'm like, well, let's see what we got here for tools.

02:52:01.000 Oh, they don't exist.

02:52:03.000 Yeah.

02:52:03.000 There's no tools in the toolbox that allow you to explain, like, a really heavy-duty breakthrough DMT trip.

02:52:09.000 They don't exist.

02:52:11.000 Like, you can try to approximate it, but you saying it, I register it.

02:52:14.000 But it's only because I have what I believe to be a similar experience to what you've experienced.

02:52:19.000 And even that is just guesswork.

02:52:21.000 You know, I'm assuming you're explaining to me what went down when you had it, and I'm like, well, that sounds a lot like how I would clumsily try to explain my experience.

02:52:30.000 But we don't know.

02:52:33.000 We don't know.

02:52:34.000 We don't know.

02:52:34.000 And that's why you should go out and look for yourself, you know, feel these things, see these things, experience these things.

02:52:40.000 When you see Burning Man, when you go to a place like Burning Man, you see what's possible.

02:52:44.000 I mean, obviously I haven't been, but you've been a few times. 0.98

02:52:46.000 When you see what's possible, when these fucking freaks all get together and rewrite the rules and go crazy, it gives you a lot of hope. 0.98

02:52:53.000 It really does, because it makes you realize, like, these are a lot of people with normal people around us, and yet they're choosing in this one moment to behave in this... 0.99

02:53:03.000 Stark contrast to everyday culture in society, but there's no litter.

02:53:06.000 People are friendly with each other.

02:53:08.000 They're giving away food.

02:53:10.000 They're only doing it for short bursts.

02:53:12.000 They're doing it for a week at a time, once a year.

02:53:16.000 But they're doing it.

02:53:17.000 They're still doing it.

02:53:18.000 And they didn't do it 30 years ago.

02:53:20.000 They didn't do it 50 years ago.

02:53:22.000 They're doing it now.

02:53:23.000 And they're doing it in one spot.

02:53:26.000 But we're talking about it, and people are starting to get together, and they go, we can do this more often.

02:53:31.000 Like, we can do something similar to this more often.

02:53:33.000 Yeah, it proves the concept.

02:53:34.000 It changes your view of how an interaction with a stranger could be.

02:53:38.000 Not somebody who's trying to take something from you and fuck up your energy or whatever.

02:53:43.000 Like, you're all in it together in some weird way.

02:53:46.000 And obviously there's shitheads at Burning Man, too, but you get the overwhelming consensus that you're all in it together.

02:53:51.000 Yeah.

02:53:52.000 And it's a cool, cool feeling.

02:53:54.000 Just transcends these kind of very solipsistic, I'm in for myself.

02:53:59.000 These are my things.

02:54:00.000 This is my fortress that I build.

02:54:02.000 And you just collapse all that and surrender to a much, much happier state.

02:54:06.000 And that's part of the magic.

02:54:08.000 I mean, isn't that one of the more genuine problems with any sort of egalitarian or more altruistic vision is that people are not going to reciprocate.

02:54:19.000 Like, you know, like if you could find a like-minded group of people where instead of the mob mentality of going fucking crazy and grabbing swords and chopping each other up, there's the mob mentality of peace and love.

02:54:30.000 We're all just sort of, everybody around you sort of adopted this thing in a really radical way.

02:54:35.000 They're wearing fucking goggles and riding bikes everywhere and everything's lit up with solar power and you're like, whoa, these people are going deep with this. 0.85

02:54:42.000 Like, everybody's embraced this so, they're so all in. 1.00

02:54:45.000 Every fucking chip is on the table when you're out there. 0.97

02:54:48.000 That it reinforces this different and very peculiar sort of mob mentality that's psychedelic-driven and happy. 0.99

02:54:56.000 You know, and that's possible too. 0.78

02:54:59.000 Like, while we're watching mass rape in India, you hear about these horrible instances where these men rape women on trains. 1.00

02:55:06.000 Like, what the fuck is going on over there? 1.00

02:55:08.000 While that's happening... 0.99

02:55:10.000 Burning Man's happening.

02:55:11.000 It's like there's another sort of mob consciousness that can erupt when it's considered carefully, applied ethically, morally, sensitively, with an open heart.

02:55:25.000 That can be done, too.

02:55:27.000 There's a bunch of different states that can be achieved.

02:55:29.000 A human goes into an environment with love and radical acceptance, true, in the truest sense.

02:55:36.000 You're going to more adapt to that.

02:55:37.000 Whereas you get in these systems of fear and control, you know, you're going to adapt to that.

02:55:42.000 And I think anybody that we encounter, we have that choice of what we're going to give back to them and turn that tide.

02:55:47.000 And maybe it won't be reciprocated, but it can also stop that trend.

02:55:52.000 So if someone really, you know, if they do something fucked up, you know, and you can't prevent it and you have to accept it and move on, accept that with love.

02:55:59.000 Show that person love and not this desire for justice and revenge. 0.69

02:56:03.000 And you'll start to switch the pattern.

02:56:06.000 That's the only thing that ends the cycle.

02:56:08.000 The only thing that ends the cycle ultimately is love.

02:56:11.000 Like violence, you know, you get something violent to you, then you do something violent to them, then you do something violent to you.

02:56:16.000 And it continues to go until one person just holds like, man, I see your pain.

02:56:21.000 I see where you're coming from.

02:56:22.000 I see you as me.

02:56:23.000 You know, I'm sorry you've been driven to that state.

02:56:26.000 I'm going to love you no matter what. 0.99

02:56:27.000 And then all of a sudden that person's like, what the fuck? 0.99

02:56:30.000 And then it can end that cycle. 0.99

02:56:32.000 And I think that's what we got to do in society.

02:56:35.000 That's what we got to do, the right and the left.

02:56:36.000 Instead of continually shooting these barbs at each other, at some point the conscious people have to say, like, you know, whatever you say, I hear you.

02:56:45.000 I don't necessarily agree.

02:56:46.000 Here's my point of view, but I'm going to love you.

02:56:48.000 I'm going to love you as if you were me.

02:56:50.000 And then that ultimately ends it. 1.00

02:56:52.000 But as long as we're just lobbing fucking hand grenades at each other, we're fucked up. 1.00

02:56:56.000 Sounds like a bunch of hippie bullshit that Trump's gonna make illegal. 1.00

02:56:59.000 That's what I'm thinking. 1.00

02:57:00.000 I'm thinking.

02:57:00.000 He's throwing people in jail for burning the flag.

02:57:02.000 We're taking it old school again, folks.

02:57:04.000 Old school.

02:57:06.000 You know, the fake tan that he uses is from, he takes Native American graves, and he takes the soil, and that's what they use for the fake tan. 0.68

02:57:17.000 It's the only way to get it, that perfect hue, but you can't get it too close to your eyes, hence the raccoon look.

02:57:23.000 But it empowers you.

02:57:25.000 It gives you energy.

02:57:25.000 That's such a great supervillain move.

02:57:27.000 He just needs to move Trump Tower into an inactive volcano.

02:57:31.000 Move Trump Tower to an Indian burial site. 1.00

02:57:34.000 Put a Trump Tower up right where the Dakota pipeline is being built.

02:57:38.000 Just one Trump Tower for all the workers.

02:57:40.000 And just show Redskins games all the time.

02:57:45.000 We're wearing a red hat.

02:57:46.000 Make America great again. 1.00

02:57:48.000 Yeah, what the fuck man? 0.99

02:57:50.000 Hmm strange times strange times, but beautiful times They're the best times they are and the more we realize they're the best times The more we're gonna be okay like right now. 0.99

02:57:59.000 Yeah, it is entirely possible We might get hit by an asteroid the side of China.

02:58:03.000 It is entirely possible.

02:58:05.000 They're out there There's giant chunks of run we the in the world rather was at one point time hit with another planet that's established That's what they believe. 0.98

02:58:14.000 They believe the moon was created when the Earth literally collided with another fucking planet. 0.93

02:58:21.000 It's not happening right now, though. 0.99

02:58:24.000 Right now, just be nice to each other and have some fucking fun. 0.97

02:58:29.000 Totally. 0.98

02:58:30.000 Let's go, champ. 0.99

02:58:32.000 Yeah, man. 0.99

02:58:32.000 We can always figure out shit to worry about. 0.99

02:58:34.000 We can figure out all of these things to stress us out. 0.99

02:58:37.000 It's our job.

02:58:37.000 It's our relationship.

02:58:38.000 It's the fucking meteor. 1.00

02:58:40.000 As long as you enjoy the now, you're not going to regret it. 0.99

02:58:42.000 If I go back and talk to my younger self, like, hey, young Aubrey, if I could tell you one fucking thing, it's to stress less. 0.91

02:58:49.000 Like, yeah, think about the possibilities, but then let it go. 0.90

02:58:51.000 Like, enjoy your time, because all there is is the enjoyment of time.

02:58:56.000 All of these goals you have, they're all false summits.

02:58:58.000 Enjoy the whole process all the way through. 0.99

02:59:01.000 Enjoy till that last moment where the fucking Chinese-sized asteroid smashes. 0.99

02:59:06.000 Enjoy up to that last minute, and you won't have any regrets. 0.99

02:59:10.000 Yeah, if you can prevent it, do that. 0.97

02:59:11.000 But if you can't do anything, don't fucking stress. 0.97

02:59:13.000 Relax. 0.91

02:59:14.000 Yeah, and then even realize that goals, they actually help you be happy, as weird as it seems.

02:59:21.000 Achieving goals and going after things and showing yourself that...

02:59:25.000 Through discipline and focus, you can achieve these weird creative ventures, take things to new places.

02:59:30.000 Yeah, it's the going for the goal.

02:59:32.000 Feel better.

02:59:32.000 It's the going for the goal that's the best part.

02:59:34.000 It's not the actual achievement of that goal makes you feel suddenly different.

02:59:38.000 It's that you're striving for it, making progress, and then you hit it, and there's that, of course, that satisfaction, but then you set another goal.

02:59:45.000 Yeah.

02:59:46.000 And then you set another goal.

02:59:47.000 And just know that you'll constantly be setting goals.

02:59:49.000 So if at no point you're ever happy, unless you're achieving the goal, you're only going to be happy a fractional part of time. 0.99

02:59:55.000 Unless you're Boris with that Transformer watch getting his dick sucked over the Atlantic. 0.99

03:00:00.000 He probably has those cheesy limo lights inside of his jet where they change colors all the time. 0.99

03:00:08.000 It's like purple, green, red, yellow.

03:00:11.000 And he's in there with a bottle of Stoli.

03:00:14.000 Activate Eagle Feather. 0.99

03:00:16.000 Super Viagra engorged dick where he's got so much Viagra in his system his ears are ringing. 0.99

03:00:23.000 He hasn't breathed through his nose in days. 0.99

03:00:26.000 He can't breathe. 1.00

03:00:27.000 He uses coke to open up his nose so that he can breathe out of his nose while his dick is hard as titanium. 1.00

03:00:34.000 Anything else? 1.00

03:00:35.000 Nope.

03:00:36.000 Should I end this?

03:00:36.000 Good for me.

03:00:37.000 You want to talk about your ayahuasca experience or how long would that take?

03:00:40.000 I mean, that's a good 15 minute story. 1.00

03:00:44.000 Fuck it, man. 1.00

03:00:45.000 People are driving right now. 1.00

03:00:46.000 They're like, keep going, keep going.

03:00:49.000 Oh, man.

03:00:50.000 So, let's set this up.

03:00:53.000 Last time I talked to you, after you had an ayahuasca experience, you were like, dude, I think I'm done.

03:00:57.000 Yeah.

03:00:58.000 I think I'm done.

03:00:59.000 Yeah, I thought I was done.

03:01:00.000 He's like, I think I'm good.

03:01:02.000 Maybe some little DMT trips here and there, but I think I'm done. 0.99

03:01:05.000 And then, next thing I know, you're off to the fucking jungle again. 0.99

03:01:10.000 Let's go, champ. 1.00

03:01:12.000 Exactly.

03:01:12.000 Let's go, champ!

03:01:13.000 Exactly.

03:01:14.000 What happened?

03:01:15.000 Well, one of the things that I enjoy is taking people who haven't experienced it and going there with them.

03:01:21.000 There's no better rite of passage bonding experience.

03:01:24.000 So this time I just brought all of my homies.

03:01:26.000 Everybody in my inner circle that I love that wanted to go.

03:01:30.000 We all went and Yeah.

03:01:54.000 Is with him as well.

03:01:56.000 Awesome guy.

03:01:56.000 He's like Gandalf the White Wizard, so we're setting that up.

03:01:59.000 But I knew this one was going to get interesting because a month, like about a month before, sometime in August, I wake up in the middle of the night.

03:02:05.000 We're going in September.

03:02:06.000 I wake up in the middle of the night from a dream.

03:02:09.000 And in this dream, I look over and to my left side I see this demon head and this gnarly looking demon head Nosferatu looking thing.

03:02:19.000 And he's just looking away. 0.99

03:02:21.000 And in my dream, he looks at me, stares at me dead in the eye and goes, I'm gonna kill you on September 23rd. 1.00

03:02:27.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

03:02:28.000 Like super fucking specific, right? 1.00

03:02:31.000 So I wake up and I'm a little freaked out. 0.99

03:02:33.000 I was like, damn, that was specific. 0.75

03:02:34.000 So I go to my and I knew my Peru trip was over that time. 0.98

03:02:38.000 I go to the calendar of events, the itinerary.

03:02:40.000 And that night is the night we're drinking ayahuasca.

03:02:43.000 For the first time, because we're doing Wachuma afterwards.

03:02:45.000 So September 23rd was the night we're doing Ayahuasca. 0.99

03:02:48.000 So did you start thinking your mind was fucking with you? 0.99

03:02:50.000 Like, for sure? 1.00

03:02:51.000 Like, this is just your brain setting yourself up for a fall?

03:02:54.000 Yeah, I played out all the scenarios, right?

03:02:57.000 And I tried to, like, what was that?

03:02:59.000 Maybe it was a metaphor.

03:03:00.000 Hopefully it wasn't for real.

03:03:02.000 Hopefully, you know...

03:03:03.000 But, and you know, I maybe I might have known that date in my head.

03:03:07.000 So I'm not trying to think this is supernatural.

03:03:09.000 It's all kind of metaphor, but it was very specific. 0.61

03:03:11.000 So by the time we get out there, I knew that I had this feeling like, man, some shit's gonna come up here because that was like, something's in my psyche that's incredibly specific about this.

03:03:22.000 So we're going into ceremony, and one thing I like to do to prepare for ceremony, and I do this for the whole group, is I do a meditation where it anchors them to their consciousness, and I put that consciousness in their heart, right? 0.82

03:03:33.000 Because the head can get really squirrely, and you can get lost in belief and different ideas and thoughts.

03:03:38.000 And if you identify yourself as consciousness, which I tell them to symbolize as a brilliant piece of white light in your heart, And you symbolize that and you imagine that there.

03:03:49.000 That's an anchor?

03:03:49.000 That's like your anchor.

03:03:51.000 That's your anchor to home.

03:03:52.000 And then, you know, I talk to them how when you imagine that there, then you can imagine it actually showing up atomically, like in the rules of quantum physics, the observer effect.

03:04:01.000 You observe it.

03:04:01.000 It's connected to yourself, all your cells, connected to all things in space, connected to the one source of consciousness, the collective consciousness, that thing.

03:04:11.000 And it just kind of anchors you and keeps you in this feeling of safe.

03:04:14.000 So whatever squirrely thing is happening in your mind, you do that.

03:04:17.000 But this is important for the story that I'm setting up.

03:04:21.000 So I do that meditation, and that's where I go into these psychedelic experiences, anchored to my heart, connected to the cosmos, connected to the infinite through that.

03:04:30.000 And it's a very kind of comforting meditation.

03:04:31.000 It's a comforting meditation to do.

03:04:34.000 So I'm going through and I take the medicine and right off the bat, it's like super, you know, it's super chill.

03:04:40.000 Like I'm seeing beautiful scenes like flowers, these flowers of light.

03:04:44.000 And I get this message like, hey man, this one's going to be easy.

03:04:48.000 And I was like, okay, cool.

03:04:49.000 And it was like, we're just going to fix a few things.

03:04:52.000 So I felt like what feels like all these little doctors of light, the doctorcitos, you know, these little light beings going through my body and start fixing little different areas, fixing little parts in my head and they're fixing little parts here.

03:05:05.000 And meanwhile, my mind is being distracted with flowers and butterflies and it's super chill.

03:05:09.000 The only memorable vision I had was I go to this shrine in this jungle and I see this giant monkey-human hybrid that's super happy. 0.99

03:05:19.000 And it's like, there's just butterflies and everything going around.

03:05:22.000 And then, inscripted in stone, it says, we are the pleasure monkeys.

03:05:26.000 And that's what I've been using that word today.

03:05:28.000 And it's this, like, really cool thing.

03:05:29.000 Like, oh yeah, we are pleasure monkeys. 0.99

03:05:31.000 We're here to enjoy all of the best shit that we can. 0.99

03:05:34.000 And I start thinking about, you know, the foods and the people and the camaraderie and everything around me. 0.99

03:05:40.000 Super positive.

03:05:41.000 Meanwhile, the light's going through my body and fixing it. 0.97

03:05:44.000 And then, you know, as this really idyllic thing, and I think, we're an hour and a half in, I'm like, fucking, we're good. 0.96

03:05:50.000 Like, whatever this demon was, not gonna worry about it, it's fine. 0.98

03:05:53.000 And then right to my left, I see this gnarly-looking Gollum, Lord of the Rings-looking, fucking my precious Nosferatu demon guy. 0.96

03:06:05.000 And he looks at me and I was like, you know, one of the practices that I have is anchoring to that point in my heart. 0.95

03:06:12.000 You know, I encourage the feeling of invincibility, like it can't be harmed.

03:06:17.000 You know, this is your consciousness.

03:06:19.000 It's this peace in your heart.

03:06:20.000 It can't be harmed.

03:06:21.000 And I see this demon.

03:06:22.000 And it looks at me, and then it jumps towards me, and it starts biting my neck in my vision, right?

03:06:27.000 So this gnarly-looking demon is biting my neck in my vision.

03:06:32.000 Are you feeling pain?

03:06:32.000 No.

03:06:32.000 It's all in this, like, a movie of me being played out, right?

03:06:36.000 Are you just going with this?

03:06:37.000 Do you feel ratcheted up?

03:06:39.000 Right.

03:06:40.000 So at this point, you know, I know it's eating in my, you know, in that vision.

03:06:44.000 It's eating through my neck.

03:06:45.000 And I see what its aim is.

03:06:47.000 And it's aiming to eat through my neck and eat that thing in my heart.

03:06:51.000 The white light in my heart that I've been meditating about.

03:06:55.000 Like, that's what it wants.

03:06:56.000 So in what I thought was this, like, heroic act of invincibility, I was like, go ahead, man.

03:07:02.000 You want that thing?

03:07:03.000 Go ahead.

03:07:03.000 Eat all the way through me.

03:07:04.000 Get that thing.

03:07:05.000 It's fine.

03:07:07.000 Because I've learned in a lot of these practices, the more you resist these things, the more aggressive they become and the harder you just get in this dance.

03:07:15.000 So the more you surrender, generally, the better off you are.

03:07:18.000 So it's like, oh, you want to eat that thing?

03:07:20.000 Go for it.

03:07:20.000 So it goes through, eats through my neck, through my chest, and it grabs a hold of that piece of white light in my heart.

03:07:28.000 Snatches it.

03:07:29.000 And right at that moment, I've never felt more fear.

03:07:32.000 I feel like I got shot with a bullet.

03:07:34.000 Like, I felt like I went dead.

03:07:36.000 Completely dead.

03:07:37.000 And fear just shot through my entire body. 1.00

03:07:41.000 And I was like, oh, fuck. 1.00

03:07:42.000 I just gave this demon my consciousness. 1.00

03:07:44.000 I just gave this demon my soul. 0.87

03:07:46.000 And I let him have it. 1.00

03:07:47.000 It's like all the fucking vampire movies. 1.00

03:07:49.000 Like, they can't come in unless you give them permission. 1.00

03:07:51.000 Then you give them permission. 0.99

03:07:52.000 And all of these fucking thoughts are going through my head. 0.99

03:07:54.000 Meanwhile, I felt completely dead. 1.00

03:07:56.000 Like, hollow from the inside.

03:07:57.000 Fear.

03:07:58.000 Was that like a thousand percent?

03:07:59.000 And then the Icaros of the shamans start getting more intense. 1.00

03:08:02.000 And I'm like, holy shit, I'm fucked. 0.99

03:08:04.000 So I start negotiating with this Nosferatu demon guy. 0.99

03:08:07.000 And I was like, man, I'd really like to get my peace back.

03:08:09.000 Like, you mind giving it back?

03:08:11.000 Like, you know, it's all good.

03:08:12.000 I understand you have your place, you know, for polarity to exist.

03:08:15.000 There needs to be the dark.

03:08:16.000 There needs to be the light.

03:08:16.000 You know, it's all good, man.

03:08:18.000 We're all on the same team.

03:08:19.000 Ultimately, we're all, you know, consciousness in the cosmos.

03:08:21.000 He's having none of it.

03:08:22.000 Right.

03:08:23.000 And then finally, he's like talking to you.

03:08:25.000 Yeah, he's sometimes talking back and sometimes just kind of like mocking me, really, like kind of laughing.

03:08:30.000 And then he goes, here you go.

03:08:31.000 And he gives me something.

03:08:33.000 And I greedily, like a hungry child, like grab it and I stuff it in my heart.

03:08:38.000 And it was this dead piece of rock, like a dead stone.

03:08:41.000 And it's just this demon just laughing at me.

03:08:44.000 I have your heart.

03:08:45.000 And watch where I'm going.

03:08:46.000 And he goes and he takes it.

03:08:48.000 And I'm following him through this kind of like wormhole thing.

03:08:51.000 And he takes it.

03:08:52.000 And I see who he's giving it to. 1.00

03:08:54.000 And then I go, oh fuck. 1.00

03:08:56.000 Because he's giving it to the demon of all demons. 1.00

03:09:00.000 And this is very archetypal and I'm not religious, but these archetypes are coming through in this kind of, you know, demon type of sense.

03:09:08.000 But anyways, this demon that he gives it to, I can only call the world crusher.

03:09:12.000 Because literally he's of the size where I'm seeing him hold planets and crushing them into dust in his hands.

03:09:20.000 And he's just moving the cosmos, these giant horns made of this deep, dark black and red smoke and just laughing in the ecstasy of destruction as he takes galaxies and he rips them apart.

03:09:33.000 Like the ultimate black hole of destruction and evil. 1.00

03:09:36.000 And I go, fuck. 1.00

03:09:38.000 Like that guy's got my heart piece now. 1.00

03:09:40.000 Like the little demon gave it to that thing. 0.99

03:09:43.000 So I'm thinking like, what the fuck do I do? 0.99

03:09:45.000 I can't even communicate with this demon world crusher. 0.99

03:09:47.000 Like there's no way, there's no way I can even talk to him.

03:09:50.000 He's too big.

03:09:51.000 So I try to like, well, maybe I can blow myself up.

03:09:53.000 You know, like maybe I can get bigger.

03:09:55.000 Thinking like video game style, like that's gonna work. 0.90

03:09:57.000 Like maybe if I fucking get bigger, then we can talk and negotiate and I'll be on his level. 0.91

03:10:02.000 Totally doesn't work. 0.94

03:10:03.000 I can't get even near the size of him in my vision. 0.99

03:10:07.000 So I'm like, fuck, what the fuck do I do? 0.99

03:10:10.000 What am I going to fucking do here? 1.00

03:10:12.000 And I get the idea. 0.99

03:10:15.000 I was like, man, I can't fight this thing.

03:10:17.000 There's no way.

03:10:18.000 But understanding that, again, that consciousness and the cosmos needs dark and light, I understand the value of the polarity of something that dark.

03:10:27.000 I understand that that's necessary.

03:10:29.000 It's like, man, I've got to send this thing love.

03:10:32.000 So I go and I imagine floating up to its head and right between its eyes.

03:10:36.000 I kissed him on the forehead.

03:10:39.000 And I know it sounds weird.

03:10:40.000 And for a moment, I see his eyes go googly eyes, like the emoji heart thing, where hearts appear in the world crusher's eyes.

03:10:49.000 And it was really kind of cartoony.

03:10:51.000 And for that moment, he relinquishes and he's like...

03:10:56.000 I can give this back to you, but we never took it.

03:10:58.000 No one can take that piece of your heart.

03:11:00.000 It's yours.

03:11:01.000 It's impossible to steal unless you believe it can steal.

03:11:04.000 And it was this beautiful wisdom.

03:11:05.000 And I was like, oh my God, thank God.

03:11:07.000 But I was still shaken up by that. 0.99

03:11:09.000 I was still kind of fucked up. 0.99

03:11:11.000 But that move worked. 0.99

03:11:12.000 And in that moment where his eyes were all googly hearts, he's like, man, we can't take that from you.

03:11:16.000 That's yours.

03:11:16.000 So I had this Renewed sense of confidence.

03:11:19.000 And so I started kind of going.

03:11:21.000 It was kind of more peaceful then.

03:11:22.000 Ikaros seemed to be following my trip, died down.

03:11:25.000 I'm going through about all the relations in my life and the different, you know, kind of doing the general work you do on ayahuasca.

03:11:31.000 And I get to a member of my family who's really, you know, suffering from some mental illness that is really dark, like a dark mental illness.

03:11:39.000 And I think that now maybe the world crusher is my friend.

03:11:42.000 So I get the feeling the world crusher has, you know, that element of darkness is in him.

03:11:47.000 So I think in my imagination and kind of call back on that being. 0.97

03:11:53.000 And immediately it comes up, but in a different shape, like a giant fucking sea serpent. 0.97

03:11:59.000 And it's wrapping these tentacles around my body like a Leviathan from the deep. 0.98

03:12:03.000 And I'm like, whoa.

03:12:06.000 I was like, what do you think about maybe letting this family member, what do you think about letting him go?

03:12:12.000 And he's like, you want his soul?

03:12:14.000 I'll make a trade.

03:12:16.000 Your soul for his. 1.00

03:12:18.000 And I was like, fuck. 1.00

03:12:19.000 Fuck that. 1.00

03:12:20.000 Fuck that, right? 1.00

03:12:21.000 So at that point, I was like, man. 1.00

03:12:24.000 And then I was like, I don't think I can make that trade. 0.98

03:12:26.000 He's like, coward.

03:12:27.000 You wouldn't do that for someone you love? 1.00

03:12:29.000 You're a coward. 1.00

03:12:30.000 I thought you said you were invincible. 1.00

03:12:32.000 And he starts mocking me.

03:12:33.000 Clearly not my homie.

03:12:34.000 Like, clearly take the world crusher takes his job seriously.

03:12:37.000 So eventually I have to go like, you know what?

03:12:39.000 That's between you and him.

03:12:40.000 I can't step in there.

03:12:42.000 Like, there's nothing that I can do for you.

03:12:45.000 So I just had to let it go.

03:12:46.000 And I let him go, not making that proverbial deal.

03:12:49.000 And again, I don't think this is like really happening.

03:12:51.000 This could just be archetype, right? 0.99

03:12:53.000 But so anyways, from there, I was like, fuck, man, this has turned super dark. 0.98

03:12:57.000 Like, can I get some help? 0.99

03:12:58.000 Like, and since the archetype was demons, I was like, can I get a Jesus in here or something?

03:13:03.000 Like some kind of light and nothing light would come.

03:13:06.000 Although I did get a cool vision of like Jesus meeting the world crusher.

03:13:10.000 And I was like, ooh, this is going to be square, like showdown, UFC, ultimate, Jesus versus the world crusher. 0.99

03:13:16.000 And immediately they turned super gay and they started making out with each other and having sex. 1.00

03:13:21.000 Jesus and the world crusher started like having sex with each other. 0.97

03:13:25.000 And it was the wildest vision because it was this, like the ultimate love affair, like the two polarities of the cosmos, like all of the love and forgiveness and all of the power and destruction.

03:13:37.000 The darkness was the top.

03:13:39.000 The darkness was banging Jesus?

03:13:40.000 Jesus would turn.

03:13:41.000 He was man, woman.

03:13:43.000 He could be whatever he wanted, but they were dancing in this passionate love affair, which was all creation.

03:13:49.000 So Jesus became man and woman?

03:13:51.000 Jesus was man, woman.

03:13:53.000 It was just love versus power and destruction, creation versus destruction.

03:13:59.000 The two polarities dancing, but expressed as the world crusher, this devil-like creature, and then Jesus.

03:14:05.000 You know, which started as kind of Jesus-y and then went into woman and then went into man.

03:14:09.000 Whatever.

03:14:10.000 It at least gave me a chuckle. 0.98

03:14:11.000 It was like a moment of, like, relief from this really fucking heavy trip. 0.82

03:14:16.000 But I still wasn't getting any personal interaction from anything on the light side, you know? 0.94

03:14:20.000 And so I'm still, like, kind of a little shaken up, especially after, you know, the world crusher called me a coward and I couldn't help, you know, this person in my family. 0.99

03:14:28.000 And it's like, fuck. 0.99

03:14:30.000 So then I see this. 0.99

03:14:32.000 I keep trying to reach out to, like, the helpers, like something from the light.

03:14:36.000 And I get this very faint message.

03:14:38.000 You know, sometimes the visions are super clear and sometimes they're faint.

03:14:41.000 It feels like you're kind of reaching for it, but I'll go with it.

03:14:44.000 I'll use my imagination as a bridge.

03:14:45.000 So I kind of go with it.

03:14:47.000 It's like, here, we have this thing for you.

03:14:49.000 And put it in your heart.

03:14:51.000 It'll give you extra, you know, it'll be what you're looking for.

03:14:54.000 And it's this brilliant ruby-like redstone, right?

03:14:57.000 This brilliant ruby stone.

03:14:58.000 And I was like, oh, wow, that's beautiful.

03:15:00.000 Like, I always imagined the thing in my heart being white, but red?

03:15:03.000 All right, it's cool.

03:15:04.000 I put it in my chest and then instantly I could feel myself getting this like hunger for power and feeling like the world crusher, like I wanted to destroy and manipulate. 0.99

03:15:15.000 And I was like, oh shit, that's not the thing. 0.97

03:15:19.000 You know, that wasn't a real gift. 0.99

03:15:21.000 That was getting tricked again.

03:15:22.000 So I pull this thing out of my heart, and for sure, like, I can just feel the evil emanating from it, right?

03:15:28.000 And I can hear the distant laughter of the world crusher, like, ha ha ha, fooled you again.

03:15:32.000 You accepted this stone.

03:15:34.000 And so I have this ruby stone in my vision. 0.97

03:15:36.000 I'm like, what the fuck am I going to do with this? 0.58

03:15:39.000 So I have this place that I've developed in my meditation. 0.98

03:15:41.000 It's like my happy place, right?

03:15:44.000 It's a place I go and I imagine it in my mind.

03:15:46.000 It's like my happy place.

03:15:47.000 I was like, all right, I'm going to put my stone in my happy place and I'm going to leave it there in my vision. 0.95

03:15:52.000 Well, I put it there in the happy place and it turns to fucking like swamp and bog and Everything, all the trees are withering.

03:15:59.000 Like you see in one of those fantasy movies where the darkness anchors into a place and all the life dies around. 0.99

03:16:05.000 And I was like, fuck man, I can't put it there. 0.99

03:16:07.000 It's going to destroy this world I created. 1.00

03:16:10.000 It's like, I bring it back and I was like, I hear this voice, like, just put it in your heart.

03:16:13.000 You can hold it.

03:16:14.000 You're strong enough to hold it.

03:16:15.000 So like, okay, yeah, maybe my heart's the only place I can put it.

03:16:18.000 It's the only way it's going to be safe.

03:16:19.000 Put it back in there.

03:16:21.000 Bad idea, obviously.

03:16:22.000 That was another trick. 0.64

03:16:23.000 But I'm really getting shaken here because I keep getting fucking tricked and I keep not knowing what my mind is telling me that's helpful or whether it's coming from something else.

03:16:32.000 So eventually I move it out of my body and I'm looking at it and I was like... 0.99

03:16:37.000 Fuck. 0.99

03:16:38.000 The only way that I can get rid of this is to dissolve it evenly across the entire spectrum of creation, right? 1.00

03:16:44.000 Take this and dissolve it into the all so that the entire game, all of good, all of bad, everything can hold this amount of evil.

03:16:52.000 It's too concentrated for any one thing to hold.

03:16:55.000 I got to dissolve it.

03:16:56.000 And I tried that move with my imagination and it worked.

03:16:59.000 Boom.

03:17:00.000 And the redstone dissolves and then all of creation holds that darkness and that power. 0.97

03:17:05.000 And I'm sitting there and I just at this point just fucking surrender. 0.99

03:17:09.000 Like I've just been totally getting my ass kicked, you know, for the majority of this trip. 0.99

03:17:13.000 And especially just having been tricked and I'm just kind of like in a state of surrender. 0.98

03:17:18.000 And at that point I feel like kind of like Iron Man style.

03:17:24.000 I feel this breastplate come slap onto my chest, and it has this really beautiful fire opal stone, and this helmet come onto my head, bink!

03:17:32.000 And this helmet comes, and it has this other brilliant white light, and I feel wings shoot out from my back, right?

03:17:39.000 And obviously it's ayahuasca. 1.00

03:17:41.000 Shit's crazy. 0.99

03:17:42.000 And I'm flying in the air and there's a bunch of like eagles and other birds and it's all like peaceful and all good. 0.99

03:17:50.000 And it was like all of the allies, like all of the good guys, all the good team Kind of came through and they were flying over this world that was dark and fires and pollution and chaos and they were just bringing this like fresh air of like white light and I was just cruising and so for the last 30 minutes of the trip I was just literally like flapping my wings in the vision just kind of cruising over the world with all my eagle homies and it was fucking one of the gnarliest obviously experiences

03:18:22.000 I've ever had, no doubt.

03:18:24.000 That's why it's illegal.

03:18:26.000 Your speech is going to be used in the Senate.

03:18:28.000 They're going to get together with Congress.

03:18:30.000 They're going to play this speech back.

03:18:31.000 This is a successful guy, folks.

03:18:33.000 Look what he's doing. 1.00

03:18:34.000 Goes down to the goddamn jungle. 1.00

03:18:37.000 Fighting world crushers and Jesus is gay. 1.00

03:18:39.000 Do you want Jesus to be gay? 1.00

03:18:41.000 You want that? 0.98

03:18:42.000 Oh, Jesus can be a woman. 1.00

03:18:44.000 Jesus can be a man.

03:18:45.000 He can be a woman.

03:18:46.000 He's gender fluid.

03:18:48.000 Yep.

03:18:48.000 Wow.

03:18:49.000 It's intense.

03:18:50.000 And again, I think the lesson, it's really just about that was the type of resistance That could summon the very best out of me.

03:18:58.000 The move to show the world crusher love.

03:19:03.000 All of the moves that I had to make, I was only able to learn about myself from the extreme pressure of that vision.

03:19:09.000 That's one of the beautiful parts of the ayahuasca vision.

03:19:12.000 It tends to give you just enough that if you show up with your best and you choose love and you choose the things that are going to bring out the best outcome, You'll make it through.

03:19:24.000 But it brings you to that very fucking brink where it feels like, man, you know, the stakes are really, really high.

03:19:31.000 It's interesting because I think stories like that and experiences like yours, although you've got to go somewhere to experience them legally, those stories are what people are going to rely on.

03:19:45.000 Of the potential experiences that people are gonna come back with and go, dude, look what he's saying about this.

03:19:49.000 Do you wanna go there?

03:19:51.000 How do we get there?

03:19:52.000 You gotta go over the mountain?

03:19:53.000 Go over the mountain to meet the World Crusher. 1.00

03:19:55.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

03:19:56.000 Okay, he definitely came back? 1.00

03:19:58.000 Yeah, he's back, man.

03:19:59.000 He's in Austin.

03:19:59.000 He's hanging out.

03:20:00.000 Yeah. 0.91

03:20:01.000 One day, all this stuff is going to be legal, and one day, all sorts of psychedelic experiences, whether it's mescaline or fucking mushrooms, whatever, they're all going to be really commonplace.

03:20:12.000 They're going to be as commonplace as going to get a massage or as commonplace as taking a yoga class. 0.98

03:20:19.000 Just, right now we're in a weird place where someone like you telling that story seems like a crazy person.

03:20:25.000 Yeah. 1.00

03:20:25.000 You know, even talking to me, who's experienced a bunch of shit, you know, and I've experienced a bunch of shit with you. 1.00

03:20:31.000 I mean, I know you're not, I mean, you're not crazy. 0.98

03:20:34.000 You're just relaying this very odd thing that very few people are ever going to be able to relate to right now.

03:20:39.000 But one day, one day it'll be real common.

03:20:42.000 And I think it's more common now.

03:20:43.000 I think you saying this now...

03:20:46.000 Way more common do you talk about ayahuasca and people understand what you're saying than just 10, 15 years ago.

03:20:51.000 Yeah.

03:20:51.000 You know?

03:20:52.000 Oh, no doubt.

03:20:53.000 Because people have had similar experiences of reference.

03:20:55.000 I mean, I think the way that a lot of people experience this is in archetypes that you learn about and there's a different character in the story, you know, which is something you can learn from.

03:21:04.000 Like the Harry Potter movies, like Jordan was talking about.

03:21:07.000 You know, you can learn from those archetypes, but it's different when, you know, you get a chance to play as the main character.

03:21:14.000 Yeah.

03:21:14.000 Playing as the main character gives you a whole different series of lessons.

03:21:19.000 None of these themes that came up are original themes.

03:21:22.000 These are all deep archetypes. 0.99

03:21:24.000 Even fucking the Lord of the Ring, like the stone. 0.99

03:21:26.000 It was a stone of such evil. 1.00

03:21:28.000 How does it be destroyed?

03:21:29.000 It destroyed in the fire from whence it came.

03:21:31.000 All of creation created and concentrated, and it was dissolved in that.

03:21:35.000 I didn't think about it then, but I could see the analogies.

03:21:37.000 You see the deal with the devil, that I'll trade my soul for this one.

03:21:43.000 You see these themes.

03:21:44.000 Archetypal themes, but I can watch as many Faust plays as I want.

03:21:48.000 I'm never going to feel what that feels like until I have the devil mocking me for being a coward, for not being willing to make that deal.

03:21:56.000 And then you understand these certain things in a much, much deeper way.

03:22:00.000 And that's, I think, the value.

03:22:03.000 It just puts you up in this situation where you have stake in the game, and you have choices to make, and that's where you get the real value. 1.00

03:22:11.000 I think Roger Huerta would have put that world crusher in a tie clench and slammed some knees right into his fucking stupid face. 1.00

03:22:16.000 For sure. 1.00

03:22:17.000 And that's part of it.

03:22:18.000 You know, some of the shamans, that's their move, right?

03:22:20.000 They're constantly trying to get mastery and dominion over all of these things.

03:22:25.000 I just find that the more you try and fight with them, the more they just love it. 0.99

03:22:28.000 Like, whatever thing you're trying to fight, whatever darkness you're trying to fight, the more you fight with them, they're just like, fuck yeah, bring it on. 0.99

03:22:35.000 This is what I do. 1.00

03:22:35.000 You're in my house now, bitch. 1.00

03:22:37.000 You know, like you're trying to wrestle with Ben Askren, like they got the drop on you. 1.00

03:22:41.000 But the minute you change the game and recognize them as an important part and send them love, that's when the conflict ends.

03:22:47.000 One day, ladies and gentlemen, you too, will be able to go to your local ayahuasca center and partake.

03:22:54.000 I mean, it's already been approved by the Supreme Court for a couple different churches.

03:22:59.000 Two different churches, I believe, right?

03:23:01.000 Yeah.

03:23:01.000 In New Mexico.

03:23:02.000 Church of Santa Dime and UDV. Yeah.

03:23:06.000 And they are legally allowed to serve super high potency ayahuasca.

03:23:12.000 Yeah.

03:23:13.000 Rick Strassman went over there and did it with him.

03:23:15.000 He said it was incredible.

03:23:16.000 They're all wearing like golf shirts.

03:23:18.000 All wearing white.

03:23:19.000 You have to sit up, sit down, talk to do different things.

03:23:22.000 Yeah.

03:23:22.000 It's all common, you know, whether it's religious or whether it's medical or whether it's, I think the plants are going to show up when humans need the help the most.

03:23:30.000 And I think that's, that's the spot we're in.

03:23:32.000 And You know, ayahuasca, it's not for everybody.

03:23:34.000 Like, don't everybody rush out and do it.

03:23:36.000 Like, do it if that's what's really calling for you.

03:23:38.000 If you want to learn more, I just released that documentary.

03:23:40.000 It's free.

03:23:41.000 Just go to drinkthejungle.com.

03:23:43.000 That's the URL. Drink the Jungle.

03:23:45.000 Check it out.

03:23:46.000 And get an idea if that's for you.

03:23:48.000 But there's so many ways.

03:23:49.000 And you don't need to do plants. 1.00

03:23:50.000 You can do it with your fucking breath. 1.00

03:23:51.000 You can do it with yoga. 1.00

03:23:52.000 You can do it with floating.

03:23:53.000 You can do it.

03:23:54.000 With legal weed, you know, there's so many ways to climb the mountain.

03:23:58.000 But finding those ways to bring out the best part of yourself, essential. 0.99

03:24:02.000 Drink the jungle, bitches. 1.00

03:24:06.000 Don't be scared to drink the jungle. 1.00

03:24:08.000 Don't be scared to drink the jungle.

03:24:10.000 Jungle spicy.

03:24:11.000 All right.

03:24:12.000 Let's end this right there.

03:24:13.000 It's perfect.

03:24:14.000 Drinkthejungle.com.

03:24:16.000 Yeah.

03:24:16.000 That's it.

03:24:17.000 Bye, everybody.

03:24:18.000 Love you.

03:24:19.000 Love all you guys. 1.00

03:24:20.000 You fuckers, you. 1.00

The Joe Rogan Experience - November 29, 2016

Joe Rogan Experience #878 - Aubrey Marcus

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