Brian Callum is a stand-up comedian, actor, comedian, writer, and podcaster. In this episode, Brian joins us to talk about the recent earthquake in Japan, the future of humanity, and how to deal with the impending apocalypse. He also tells us about the time he took mushrooms and it was one of the most amazing things he has ever done in his life. It's a good one. This episode is brought to you by Joe Rogan Experience, a production of Native Creative Podcasts. Logo by Courtney DeKorte. Theme by Mavus White. Music by PSOVOD and tyops. All rights reserved. Used by permission. The opinions stated here are our own, not those of our companies, unless otherwise stated. We do not own the rights to any music used in this episode. If you like what you hear, please leave us a review on Apple Podcasts or wherever else you get your music. Please be kind enough to leave a rating and review, and we'll consider it in the future. Thank you so much for all the support we've gotten so far. Peace, Blessings, Cheers. Cheers! -Jon Sorrentino, Emily, Jake, Brian, Joe, and Samoan Samoan, -The Joe Rogans Experience. -Joe Rogan and the rest of the crew at Native Creative Collective. Produced by Native Creative Productions. (c) 2019, Inc. 2019, produced by PODCAST WEEKLYNNE ( ) (featuring ) ( ) (2019) (2019 (2019, 2020, (2020, 2020, 2019, 2019) (2020) (2018, , 2019, 2020), (2019), & 2020, 2020) (2023, 2018, ) (2020 (2020), 2019 (2020). (2021, & , 2019(2020, and 2020, 2018, 2019) and 2019, 2019 (2019(2019, 2018) (2018) ( 2019, 2021, ), 2020 (2020 , , 2020, and ), and , and 2020 (2019 , 2018, 2020 (2018), & 2019, 2018 (2019 , & 2018, & 2020) , 2018 (2020 , & 2019), ) , 2019
00:02:22.000Hey, Joe, I turned down the headphone volume because it's super loud in my headphones, and the only way I can turn down my headphones is if I turn down everybody's headphones.
00:02:52.000I haven't shroomed in like eight years because the last time I shroomed I violently was shitting and puking at the same time and tripping in the bathroom for like six hours.
00:03:08.000There was parts I was with my friend where I was looking at them and like their faces you could just feel the energy coming from their face like visually.
00:03:17.000How much did you Only ate half an eighth and made it into a tea and did the tea process where you boil it and then you drink it and then you let it sit for another 30 minutes or whatever and then you ate those shrooms and it was awesome.
00:03:33.000Did I ever tell you my shrooms experience the last time I did shrooms?
00:03:39.000Because I was never a seasoned drug addict.
00:05:08.000And he just fucking wobbles a little and then straightens right back.
00:05:11.000They did a thing on, if you are Samoan, you are 55 times, I believe this was the number, and it was on 60 Minutes, and I believe they said, if you're Samoan, you are 55 times more likely to play in the NFL than any white guy on the planet.
00:07:01.000Well, you know, you wonder as more and more money ventures into MMA, some of those guys who are playing, some of those Herschel Walkers and Michael Vicks, they're going to start coming to MMA. Yeah.
00:07:11.000Yeah, some of the guys who don't want to be playing for a team.
00:08:07.000I mean, that's what Lou Gehrig's disease is all about.
00:08:09.000I mean, a lot of these guys are getting it.
00:08:11.000It's all from head impacts and just irreparable damage.
00:08:15.000They used to think, yeah, because ALS or Lou Gehrig's disease, they used to think was a function of a toxin.
00:08:22.000They had all different kinds of theories, but they're starting to link, they think, they're starting to link some of this stuff to the ALS syndrome, whatever, to head injuries.
00:08:41.000Well, we're learning more and more, I guess, now.
00:08:44.000And now, it really raises a huge question, which is, if indeed you can start to prove that four concussions or three concussions cause brain damage, if that's the case, and if they're able to actually measure this stuff, It will put a real onus on the NFL to figure out a way to either change the rules or make helmets safer, but then you don't have football.
00:11:30.000I think he died of AIDS. But anyway, the point is, and the guy goes, looks back and he comes back in and he goes, who'd you say I look like that's gay?
00:16:45.000I've always admired what a free spirit he is, but also how you always think guys like that are going to, at some point in time, at least make an attempt to To appear to have their shit together.
00:16:59.000And I'm going to tell you, the other thing he is, is he's truly made peace with like, he's a true atheist, like a real atheist.
00:17:05.000He's truly made peace with the fact that he is only here for a short period of time and dying to him is not something he's afraid of.
00:17:13.000He came down with tuberculosis, but they didn't know what it was because he had been exposed to it by his grandfather when he was three years old.
00:17:19.000So he starts going to the hospital and I get a call and my buddy says they think it's lung cancer or that disease that those 911 firemen get where your lungs disintegrate from breathing and all that stuff.
00:19:40.000I had to do it LOL. He gets points up until the LOL. Yeah, that's right.
00:19:46.000First of all, because LOL, LOL, especially when you have just the first letter capitalized and then the next one not, that looks really fucking stupid, dude.
00:20:10.000But the idea behind it, you know, that you just start immediately making jokes about all these poor fucking people that got hit with the worst natural disaster.
00:21:56.000I'll read you the text that Will Sassa sends me, because we have a relationship like that, where we try to insult each other the worst we can.
00:22:05.000He started calling me a mule, and he sends me the most outrageous texts.
00:22:22.000But anyway, Gilbert Gottfried is in, you know, he's a comic.
00:22:26.000And when you're a comic, sometimes you write shit, and you're writing shit really for people like you.
00:22:31.000And for fucking Gilbert, if he was at home, and he was reading someone's Twitter, and he started saying all this shit about Japan, he would be laughing his fucking ass off.
00:22:40.000It doesn't mean that he's not a sensitive guy.
00:22:42.000It doesn't mean that he doesn't feel bad for all these people.
00:23:55.000The only problem was that he's a commercial artist as well.
00:23:58.000He does commercials and that's what fucked him.
00:24:00.000They pulled him off of a campaign because, you know, look, obviously this is a terrible tragedy, you know, and no one's trying to make light of that.
00:24:13.000And I was going to say, this is what I was going to say, is that, you know, for the most part, I think in tragedy, that's exactly what you need.
00:24:22.000The last thing somebody who's going through a tragedy needs is a bunch of other people acting really somber around that person.
00:24:27.000Right, and suppressing happiness and laughter.
00:25:02.000But there's something to people about making a joke about a situation as to not being able to feel for the people that are in that situation.
00:28:02.000If you're going to want these guys to say fucked up shit about other things, you've got to accept it when it's something that either is close to home or hurts your feelings.
00:28:11.000And I absolutely feel bad for the people that had to hear those jokes and they lost someone over there.
00:28:39.000Some of those videos, there's the initial video where it breaks the wall, and you see these boats come over the top of this wall, this seawall, and start smashing through houses.
00:30:01.000Incredible, but it makes you really realize what could happen if, say, there was an asteroid impact or...
00:30:08.000You know, the Canary Islands, the East Coast has to worry about the Canary Islands because apparently there's a volcanic shelf that if it drops off, and it will, and it has in the past, drops off into the ocean, it will cause a fucking tidal wave that will drown everyone a mile in on the East Coast.
00:30:26.000The whole Northeast Coast is just going to get fucking slammed with this insane amount of water.
00:30:33.000You know what's weird is that when I watched that wave come through, I thought the houses could withstand it, sort of.
00:32:31.000Remember in the Odyssey, though, when Odysseus tells the sailors not to look at the sirens, or not to listen to the sirens, because if you listen to them, you'll jump in the water and you'll try to follow them, and then you drown?
00:32:42.000And a lot of the men didn't cover up their ears?
00:32:45.000Yeah, it was the sirens, and isn't there a Celtic myth about something like that as well?
00:35:55.000Before we start, in any conversation about a girl, I have to tell you that you know that you are always attracted to girls that look like they may cry.
00:39:55.000There's a lot of fucking people on Adderall.
00:39:57.000I found out about Adderall when I was on Fear Factor because there was PAs, production assistants, and the production assistants were all like college kids.
00:40:07.000They were all doing it like a lot of them were.
00:40:10.000They're doing it for just getting out of school, first gig, and they're doing it as part of their classes.
00:40:16.000And they would start talking about how they would take Adderall while they're in school.
00:40:20.000So I was like, you know, kids are taking Adderall?
00:40:31.000And, you know, people say, well, you're taking steroids and then there'll be gene doping and all kinds of things and pretty soon they'll have nanotechnology that kind of oxygenates your blood.
00:40:39.000But they said, you know, steroids are illegal, but yet performers can take beta blockers, for example, that actually keep them from getting nervous.
00:44:58.000Last night when I was shrooming and went outside, and looking at the stars when you're shrooming is the most fucking amazing thing in the whole entire world.
00:46:23.000And the Scots, they called them berserks, yeah.
00:46:25.000Yeah, I don't know what mushroom they took.
00:46:27.000I'm sure someone on Twitter will tell us, but I think it was the Amanita muscaria, which is the one that's linked to Siberia and Santa Claus.
00:46:34.000Because they would get naked and they say they'd cry blood.
00:46:37.000Yeah, well, you know, listen, man, if you fucking put yourself on the right mixture, you know, and you've got to go to war, you put yourself on some crazy next dimension mixture...
00:48:00.000There's all this talk like, we've got to save the wolf.
00:48:03.000The wolf are amazing, majestic creatures.
00:48:06.000Yeah, wolves used to eat fucking kids, man.
00:48:09.000There's a reason why all these Little Red Riding Hood with that movie that I saw, all these three little pigs, there's a reason why there's wolves in all these children's stories.
00:48:17.000Because wolves would fucking eat your kids.
00:49:07.000There's been a lot of freezing to death lately, man.
00:49:09.000In Vietnam, 7,000 fucking, I think it was oxen, oxen or some wild cow or something, whatever the fuck it was, but 7,000 large animals died.
00:50:00.000I was like 11. One of the great things we've done as human beings in the 20th century is really checked most pathogens, most diseases like that.
00:50:11.000We have come up with an ability to really make them slim to vanishing in our everyday lives.
00:50:17.000When was the last time you knew anybody who died of a disease?
00:50:20.000And if you read any kind of literature, any literature, pick up any book from even 1948, even if you watch plays, there was always...
00:50:30.000Everybody had dealt with different kinds of plague, whether it was influenza, the worldwide influenza that hit this country very, very hard in the 20s, or polio, which put countless children, thousands of children on iron lungs.
00:50:46.000They died, and then they lost their ability to walk.
00:50:49.000Our own president of the United States got polio and was in a wheelchair.
00:50:56.000When he was governor of New York, Franklin Roosevelt was basically walking and standing and then he got polio when he was at the height of his power.
00:51:15.000At the height of his power is when he caught it?
00:51:23.000You know, with all the violence that we have, think of the population.
00:51:26.000The population has dramatically increased.
00:51:28.000When people say, well, things aren't like they were in the 70s.
00:51:31.000Motherfucker, do you know how many more people there are than there were in the 70s?
00:51:33.000In the 70s, there was probably only 3 billion people in the world or something.
00:51:38.000The other thing that's amazing is we've figured out ways to harness food.
00:51:41.000Like, you know, India, wide swaths of India and Southeast Asia, and especially in China, went through terrible famines and never had enough to eat.
00:51:49.000And a lot of that, a lot of that stuff is a memory.
00:52:10.000I mean, I guess someone should do the research, or maybe somebody already has, and I just need to find the site.
00:52:14.000But I think more things are happening now than I can ever remember.
00:52:18.000And I'm trying to be objective about it.
00:52:20.000No, I understand, but I think we all have a tendency as human beings also, number one, to, first of all, I don't think there's ever been a time in history when people weren't predicting the end of our race as we know it.
00:52:30.000I'm talking about the first century Pharisees or the Essenes.
00:52:36.000In the Bible, that's what they talk about.
00:52:53.000The one thing that's for sure is that you will always deal with these, what they call black swans, these sort of aberrations that come out of nowhere and take the whole chessboard and throw it in the air.
00:53:04.000And that is as much about the human experience as anything else.
00:53:08.000And I think that if you always keep in mind that all this can be taken away from you or can change you or can throw your whole contract that you came to this table with, rip it to shreds, You'll probably be better off.
00:53:41.000We say, if I work really hard, I'm going to get this job.
00:53:44.000If I work really hard, I'm going to get famous.
00:53:46.000If I work really hard, I'll make a lot of money.
00:53:48.000And a lot of times, life doesn't work that way for a whole myriad of reasons.
00:53:53.000A lot of times, by the way, it's because people aren't honest with themselves and don't realize what they're actually good at versus what they want to be good at.
00:53:59.000We see that a lot with acting and all these things, but I think you see it everywhere.
00:54:03.000But at the end of the day, most of us...
00:54:06.000It's really interesting, the social scientists, because they'll say, a lot of times we have a contract come to the table and we say, this is what happens.
00:54:13.000But human beings are also really, really good at creating what they call synthetic happiness.
00:54:17.000They can assess what they got now versus what they did want, and they realize it didn't work out, and then they'll just start to really love what they like.
00:54:26.000The social scientists did a really interesting study between people who won the lottery and then people who became...
00:56:02.000But as individuals, very few of us are even putting into perspective normal things like our own mortality, the mortality of our very climate, the mortality of the structure and the shape of the continent.
00:56:16.000I think because, in a lot of ways, we're more comfortable today than we ever have been.
00:56:28.000Remember, in 2011, if you take even 1985, half the world was under communist dictatorships who had their missiles pointed directly at our major cities.
00:57:17.000The question becomes, how much discomfort do you have to experience to be great?
00:57:24.000Because I think greatness does come out, to a large extent, doesn't come out of comfort and luxury.
00:57:30.000It doesn't seem like it does, but sometimes it can just come out of discipline.
00:57:33.000And there is struggle in that discipline.
00:57:35.000If you can be the type of person that really, you know, you don't have to be living a terrible life to write good stuff.
00:57:40.000You know, you could be living a great life as long as you're disciplined and you really tune yourself into it as you write.
00:57:46.000Yeah, you know, you were talking, I thought, I had a thought, you were talking about how, you know, genetics suck and pretty soon, you know, we're going to be able to kind of choose our genetics.
00:57:54.000But the question becomes, you know, I think of myself...
00:58:12.000Not color, I mean like our flavor, our identity.
00:58:16.000Because so much of what we do, so much of what I do, what drives me, is that I'm compensating for my inadequacies or my perceived inadequacies.
00:58:24.000That's why I worked out, that's why I did martial arts, that's why I wrestled.
00:58:28.000Sort of, but it's always from the childhood.
00:58:30.000The place that a performer comes from, and me too, and everyone we know.
00:58:35.000Everyone we know that's a comic, there's always...
00:58:36.000But what I'm saying is in some ways, God bless a dysfunctional childhood.
00:58:41.000Yeah and no, because you're one of a hundred that didn't.
00:58:46.000There's a hundred like you that smashed on the rocks on the way up to the top of the cliff.
00:58:50.000You managed to bite through vines with your teeth and get to the top, and you took a deep breath, and now you're okay.
00:58:56.000But you didn't have to be okay, and neither did I. Anyone with a fucked up childhood, like the idea of encouraging a fucked up childhood to create an interesting child.
01:01:42.000Look, the fact that we worship actors is the funniest thing.
01:01:44.000If an alien came down, they'd be like, wait a minute, you're worshiping these people who are basically good at being emotionally available and pretending?
01:02:06.000Because I think both are equally ridiculous.
01:02:08.000You know, I've always said that it's one of the funniest things in the world, that people think that a guy's a hero because he hits a ball into a hole in the ground.
01:02:16.000You know what I like about any competition, like golf or any game, is that it requires, when you want to win at that game, it requires you to basically do all that self-examination.
01:02:26.000You've got to face up to all your obstacles.
01:02:29.000You've got to deal with your performance anxiety.
01:02:30.000You know how it is to try to get better.
01:03:34.000Oh yeah, but the problem is that you're so intense that once you pick something up, it's like that game Quake when you played for 15 hours and then passed out as you were leaving your...
01:03:43.000He drives me to the store and he's getting these handles and he's like 30. He's getting his handles and all these weird things.
01:04:55.000Well, that was that movie Starfighter, remember?
01:04:57.000The movie where the kid had to get really good at a video game, and when he got good at it, they came down and took him to fight in the galaxy.
01:05:41.000The idea behind it is so crazy that you can just pilot something from halfway across the world in real time and trust it to just, you pull the trigger.
01:06:13.000A guy with a higher ping than you can still beat you, but you definitely have an advantage when you're local.
01:06:19.000Say if we set up a server in my house and I set up a server and I'm here connected to the machine, but other people have to connect and get the information through the internet.
01:06:29.000So their ping, say if they're down the block, at the lowest they're going to get is maybe a 10. This is back in the day.
01:09:23.000Nobody ever went to jail for taking steroids, but people have gone to jail for lying to the government.
01:09:27.000Listen, if they take him, his money away, or if they say that you did some stuff that was against the rules and you should be fined and we can prove that, that's one thing.
01:09:36.000But they're going after him to lock him up, man.
01:09:38.000They're going after him to set an example and lock him up for something that everyone's doing.
01:10:05.000You know you have the right to take the fifth.
01:10:07.000So you can say nothing, which is one of the great things about our system.
01:10:12.000You can choose to not incriminate yourself.
01:10:16.000I refuse to speak because I don't want to incriminate myself.
01:10:19.000Right, but don't they lock people up when they do that?
01:10:21.000You can be locked up if you are given, I believe, now I'm not a legal scholar, I mean, aren't they doing that all the time?
01:10:28.000What I believe you can be locked up is if you have evidence and the government subpoenas that evidence and you refuse to speak, if you say, I'm not telling on my friend, you can go to jail for that.
01:10:49.000She said, I'm not going to divulge who told me that this person was a CIA operative or whatever.
01:10:55.000And she went to jail, and then Scooter Libby, I'm not sure if I'm getting all my facts right, but Scooter Libby, it turns out, was pardoned by the president later on, but convicted of divulging a U.S. agent's identity to a non-authorized person, which is a crime in this country.
01:11:16.000It's so bizarre how many different people we have all over the world that are in military bases and, you know, that are government operatives of the United States.
01:11:25.000We have them positioned all over the world to kind of keep an eye on everybody.
01:11:28.000We always have, you know, and it comes from the Cold War and it's a dangerous place.
01:11:32.000But the real issue becomes, the U.S.'s strength has always been not that its power comes from the barrel of a gun.
01:11:40.000It's influence, innovation, but mostly it's a beacon of hope where you can come here and if you got the stuff and you got the metal, you might just be a millionaire.
01:11:49.000That is something that resonates throughout the entire world and always has.
01:11:53.000I wanted to ask you this because you've got some experience in the Middle East.
01:11:56.000What do you think is happening with all these different places, with Saudi Arabia, with Saudi Arabia?
01:12:01.000I think it's a beautiful thing, and it's a human thing, and I'll tell you what I think most of all.
01:12:06.000I think that you heard a lot of analysts and professionals and people who follow this stuff and people who are so-called experts.
01:12:12.000I used to always hear something, they used to always say this, democracy is not synonymous with Islam.
01:12:47.000And this proves that you can say whatever you want about Islam, or anything else, or any other religion.
01:12:52.000Human beings want a better life for their children.
01:12:55.000Human beings would choose to have representative government over a dictatorship like Hosni Mubarak or a dictatorship like the royal family essentially is in Saudi Arabia.
01:13:05.000Don't tell me any human being wants to live that way.
01:13:34.000And saying that in these governments, like Egypt and both places where the military and secret police come in and do some pretty awful things to you, that takes real guts.
01:13:43.000So I think this is an incredible time in the sense that the Middle East is changing.
01:14:33.000He was about 6'4", and he was very, very strong.
01:14:35.000They said he used to be able to hold an axe, like one of those big wood chopping axes, out for longer than anybody else with his arms straight like that.
01:15:40.000Because bulls figure out the way you move.
01:15:42.000And if they watch you walking around all the time and running around, when you put them in the ring with the matador, that matador doesn't have a chance because they figured you out.
01:15:52.000The first time a bull ever sees a human being on two feet by law in Spain is when he's put out there in front of that matador.
01:17:54.000I don't know what it represented to the bear, but it represented some sort of a threat.
01:17:58.000Well, apparently, though, he was doing what he was supposed to do, and I guess the guy didn't have his arms up or something, and the bear ended up grabbing onto his neck, and his instinct took over, and he said, oh, I'm going to shake you to death, which is terrible.
01:18:27.000I don't know, but I would imagine we have a very polluted environment and probably is a combination of all those chemicals in the environment.
01:18:37.000We're very good at coming up with synthetic material and synthetic chemicals.
01:18:41.000And what we're probably not as good at, and what the FDA could never do, is figure out how all these chemicals, when put together, interact, or what they do to mitoplasma, and I like to use some big words, but what they do to our bodies.
01:18:58.000When we drink them, when we're around them all the time, look at your house.
01:19:01.000All these new products that come out that have huge advertising campaigns, they're probably very safe on their own.
01:19:07.000What happens when you mix six of them in the perfect combination?
01:19:15.000Who knows what the fuck that's doing to you?
01:19:17.000We know that sonar gets in the way of whales migratory patterns.
01:19:24.000So, it's always this constant dance of how...
01:19:26.000You know, in China now, what they're doing, I think it's really interesting, is a lot of the architects, when they plan these cities, they're building gardens on the roofs so you can plant food and grow your own food on the roof of your building.
01:19:44.000Which is, again, a very recent development for China.
01:19:47.000It's pretty amazing to do that with a billion people.
01:19:49.000But when you do that, you've got to eat bugs.
01:19:51.000Well, we're getting better and better at figuring out ways to grow plants, for example, that don't need pesticides, that are much higher in protein and different nutrients.
01:20:01.000Sure, but then you're getting weird because things are genetically modified.
01:20:09.000It's a thing when you say it's fine if you want to cross-pollinate two wheat strains, but when you take the gene from a jellyfish, put it in a strawberry so that my strawberry doesn't freeze when I'm shipping it across the country...
01:20:44.000Yeah, and then they sue those people and those people have to either close up their farm or it becomes a fucking disaster.
01:20:50.000I think, I think, you know, I'm a capitalist and all that, but I think that we are paying, we have to be very careful with how everything is becoming these conglomerates and how things are becoming so corporate.
01:21:51.000And the price we had to pay will probably swing back.
01:21:54.000But we pay a price for efficiency and speed.
01:21:57.000What do you think about all these people that believe that, you know, and if you read almost every ancient religion has some story of a great apocalypse or a great catastrophe and almost every religion has some story about a previous existing society that was advanced and that was almost wiped off to face the earth.
01:22:13.000You know, when you hear shit about all these animals dying and fish dying, this sounds like religious scripture.
01:22:20.000How fucking crazy would it be if we all really have been all through this before?
01:22:25.000If human beings have literally gotten to the point of where we are now, like this sophisticated...
01:22:31.000If we died off today, how much of this shit would be around in 10,000 years or so?
01:22:37.000How much would we be able to find and recognize anything that isn't steel?
01:23:39.000When you look at some of the structures that exist that are unexplained, that are many, many thousands of years old, especially with the pyramids.
01:23:46.000You go, I mean, you know, unexplained in the fact that they're not exactly sure how they put that all together.
01:23:51.000There's a lot of theories, and there's also old dynasty and new dynasty, and there's old kingdom and new kingdom.
01:23:56.000There's a lot of structures that they believe are far, far older than the traditionally thought, like the Pyramid of Giza or the Great Pyramid of any...
01:24:06.000You know, human beings from animals, as far as I know, is that we have imagination and that we seem to be always moving toward the limits of our imagination.
01:24:14.000Right, but what freaks me out is there's a bunch of shit that they can't figure out how it all got done.
01:25:09.000Recorded history is one thing, but real human history is another.
01:25:11.000And you also wonder, evolution, I always think about that.
01:25:14.000What's interesting to me is, if indeed there's a lot of science, well, we evolved from apes, chimps, or whatever it might be, people say, well, we kind of seem to have stopped evolving physically then, if that's the case, didn't we?
01:25:28.000No, we moved in a different direction.
01:25:30.000Look, the doubling of the human brain size is the biggest mystery in the entire fossil record, and that's what changed us from this beetle-eating fucking freak monkey to human beings.
01:25:41.000And whatever the fuck caused it, who knows?
01:25:53.000I'm saying why chimps have always been chimps.
01:25:56.000Human beings have continued to evolve just at least an hour in time in that we do really amazing things.
01:26:05.000You know, I joke around about people being from monkeys and chimps, but the real lineage is there's a bunch of different primates that evolved next to each other.
01:26:12.000For some reason, we evolved in a far more sophisticated way than all the rest of them.
01:26:17.000In the sense that we're always trying to go beyond that which we can measure, and we're always contemplating how would you ever measure, for example, the fact that a great...
01:26:28.000I don't know, Mozart or Bach Sonata makes some people feel profoundly sad and overjoyed at the same time.
01:27:22.000The idea, if you're temporary, you're a temporary being, and all your descendants are temporary beings, we just keep evolving in a tide of ever-changing temporary beings, then the only point is just to be nice.
01:27:35.000Be nice, have fun, ride it out, let's see what's next.
01:27:38.000Create a group of people that were affected by you in a positive way.
01:27:41.000Do you think there's anything to be said, though, about going beyond that in the sense that are we supposed to evolve and continue to understand more and more until we become one with something?
01:28:39.000So there must be a point to this evolution, I hope.
01:28:41.000Well, I always have said that I think that we're probably becoming something through technology and that human beings are probably just like a caterpillar that becomes a butterfly but just doesn't know what it's doing while it's doing it.
01:28:50.000All our natural instincts towards materialism and greed and selfishness and, you know, all these monkey instincts that we have left over, perhaps working in a natural order to move us towards this ultimate goal of some sort of technological invention.
01:29:04.000Yeah, I mean, that's what Kurzweil believes.
01:29:06.000He believes that, you know, it's going to be some sort of an artificial technology, an artificial intelligence that we can download our consciousness into, and that you will exist forever in perpetrude in this, you know, artificial environment.
01:29:22.000Not only that, you're talking about if you can duplicate your consciousness, you can duplicate it in an infinite amount of times.
01:29:26.000And it will exist not here in this physical space, but it will exist in some sort of cyber world where you will constantly be in like a replaying life in an infinite number of them.
01:29:38.000And not only that, we will ultimately and truly be connected.
01:29:41.000And our experience will be everybody else's experience simultaneously.
01:29:46.000And I think the reason why it's set up in a weird way is to encourage competition.
01:29:49.000You know, the thing that bugs people the most, the thing that is losing, you know, the thing that is losing anything, losing a person, losing, you know, losing your job, losing, losing, losing in a fight, losing in a game.
01:31:23.000And then all of a sudden, dudes feel like that could have been them.
01:31:27.000What they have to understand also, by the way, is that this is not a linear process.
01:31:32.000This world is made of a whole bunch of non-linear luck and mathematics and Well, you say that because you're a very experienced guy and you've gone through so many things and so many different projects.
01:31:43.000I mean, you've gone through the tour de force of television.
01:32:26.000I think anybody who actually became a comic, you had to deal with the fact that, man, if I put my eggs in this basket, this shit might turn out terrible.
01:32:38.000But my point is that, like, you know, like, in show business, like, the whole idea of, like, pursuing it and, like, going after it, it is absolutely, of course, uncertain.
01:33:03.000I think that's why people, when they take a gig for the money, for example, they go, well, you're going to give me $7 million to do a talk show, a game show.
01:33:16.000Dude, I paid a price for Fear Factor, for sure.
01:33:19.000I loved doing that show, and it was a lot of fun, and I loved making all that money, and I'm happy I did it.
01:33:23.000But man, there was a lot of days that I didn't want to do that, and I thought, this is hokey, or this is silly, or this is like, God, this is like, it became a job.
01:33:38.000But my whole point about the whole competition thing, I think that it's all set up that way on purpose.
01:33:45.000And that showbiz competition, and stand-up comedy competition, even martial arts competition.
01:33:50.000These guys, when they start trash-talking each other on the internet, you know how I look at it when I look at two fighters who are about to trash-talk each other?
01:33:55.000I look at it like birds that are squawking at each other.
01:36:35.000I'm completely objective about it, but it took a while for me to be comfortable with, like, how I should...
01:36:43.000You know, what I should talk about and what I shouldn't talk about and when to talk and when not to talk and, you know, how to, like...
01:36:49.000Be as respectful as possible, but yet be as objective and analytical as possible about what's happening.
01:36:57.000You have to walk a fine line between critiquing fighters and criticizing them or obsessing patterns that you see in movement and critiquing behavior and training regiments and shit like that.
01:37:30.000So Goldie will start just going off about this fucking arena that we're in that was built in 18-fucking-12, and he's like, It's like he wrote those lines out and they're just perfect.
01:37:48.000Sometimes he doesn't say the correct thing when it comes to technique or something like that, but that's okay because I can correct him and he's just trying to get things going.
01:38:23.00020-minute rant about what's wrong with, like, you know, he did something about twist ties, about twist ties, like, you know, what was, like, twist ties, like, how strong are these things, and they should be, like, should cover up the soldiers in Iraq with twist ties.
01:42:51.000Like how ghetto it was back in the day.
01:42:54.000And Randy, we were actually, anyway, but you go, they were talking about training techniques and you were like, I like to get into horse dance and put my balls inside my body and read Nietzsche.
01:43:07.000And I think Emmanuel Stewart was there.
01:43:09.000Everybody's like, all these fighters, no sense of humor, they all look at you like this.
01:43:12.000They're like, what the fuck is he saying?
01:47:58.000And this polar bear saw them and kept diving off one ice sculpture to the next, getting closer and closer, sizing them up, until finally he was on the one ice sculpture.
01:48:15.000And he came over and he was on the ice...
01:48:19.000Ice sculpture, the ice island right next to them, jumped in the water, got on their side, walked calmly up to the first guy he could get a hold of.
01:48:27.000Everybody stumbled over each other trying to get out of the way.
01:48:28.000Grabs a guy, kills him right there instantly.
01:48:31.000Grabs his limp body, jumps off the ice island into the water, swims over to the other one, and just starts eating him right in front of them.
01:48:40.000And so he ate that one guy, and then help came.
01:48:42.000And help came when the next boat came, when the distress signal was answered.
01:48:46.000By the time they got there, this guy was just ribcage popping out of his fucking jacket.
01:48:51.000Yeah, I'm not really interested in dying that way.
01:51:41.000There's a hunting TV show they do it with.
01:51:44.000Whenever I'm around, I've been around Randy Couture a couple times, and whenever I'm around a guy like that, I always feel a combination of just awe and just, I feel a little bad about myself.
01:51:54.000Well, I always feel like, Jesus, you know, I always say to people, I say, why don't you fight MMA? First of all, because I don't want to, and two, because I'm old.
01:52:00.000And then, like, Randy Couture is five years older than me.
01:52:15.000Because the guy's never injured, which is crazy.
01:52:18.000You think about all these different guys that cancel their camps.
01:52:21.000Sports science did a thing where he's able to take the VO, like his VO max is much higher, like he's able to assimilate oxygen in his muscles much better than most people.
01:53:42.000First of all, I don't need to, because I was 17 and I went to Dan Gable's intensive wrestling camp with the Hawkeyes, and I remember limping for two weeks.
01:54:18.000Because you had to graduate and like a third of the camp would drop out.
01:54:21.000And literally they closed it down, I believe, the next year or the year after that.
01:54:25.000Well, they also were really encouraging people to lose a tremendous amount of weight, which was terrifying and really fucking terrible for your young body.
01:54:33.000You know, when you're 14, 15 years old and you're in high school and you're coaching and you're already lean and they're telling you to lose 10 pounds of water and dehydration.
01:55:37.000Yeah, they have to rehydrate, and they piss like crazy, but they feel much better, much quicker, and they gain a tremendous amount of weight in a 24-hour period.
01:55:45.000There's a guy, Gleason Tebow fights in the UFC. I don't know how he loses the weight.
01:55:48.000I don't know what he does, but this motherfucker fights at 155, and he looks like he's He's fucking huge.
01:55:55.000Well, it's like, what's the guy's name?
01:56:34.000That was a big victory for Koscheck when Koscheck beat him.
01:56:37.000I think a lot of that guy's problem is that he gets really depleted making that 170. I think he'd be better served at 185. I think a lot of guys would.
01:57:36.000But if he can do that, it becomes very interesting.
01:57:39.000It becomes very interesting because Jake Shields has competed at the very highest levels of the game in grappling and submitted guys, in fact, in Abu Dhabi that submitted GSP. His level of jiu-jitsu is quite a bit higher, but George is so smart and he's so defensively intelligent.
01:57:56.000He's never been submitted in MMA before.
02:01:02.000I also believe that a large part of my job is to stand out of the way, not to be a suppressive, overwhelming personality for her.
02:01:10.000I don't want to be too much of an influence.
02:01:12.000And the reason I don't want is I want her to ultimately, I think a great deal comes from having to be independent and also feeling free enough and not ashamed of whatever it is you are.
02:01:25.000And so much of my childhood, and it's not nobody's fault, but so much of my childhood When I think back on it, even my young adult eight years, is full of what I would describe as shame.
02:01:38.000I mean, described certainly as confusion, but also shame.
02:01:41.000Just also, God, I feel so different than most people.
02:01:43.000I'm a fuck-up, and I've got to get my shit together.
02:02:14.000Yeah, but you also, you said something really profound I've been thinking about a lot lately that I thought was really cool.
02:02:19.000You said, it's one thing to be really accomplished and you've accomplished things and we can go through all this stuff.
02:02:23.000But the one thing you said that you're the most proud of is accomplishing your peace of mind.
02:02:27.000And that is a very separate, separate endeavor from trying to make money and trying to make a name for yourself, trying to be significant, trying to be original.
02:02:37.000But actually, getting to a point where you have peace of mind I think is equally as important as any accomplishment.
02:04:33.000It's the most valuable program ever or the valuable tool ever for reprogramming your mind, for looking at yourself in a truly objective way and to be tethered, untethered rather, from your life, untethered from your personal experiences and able to look at them.
02:04:49.000Literally, when you're inside that tank, it feels like you're not there.
02:04:52.000It feels like time has essentially stopped.
02:04:57.000It might be going on without you, all rambling free in the world, but in your life, your life is all about how you relate to everything that you see in your environment.
02:05:06.000So having a chance to be out of your environment, the only opportunity that you have in the world, that's the only environment on the planet like that, where you can go and separate yourself literally from your life.
02:05:19.000If you don't know what we're talking about, we're talking about a sensory deprivation tank which was created by a psychedelic pioneer from the 50s named John Lilly, who was this brilliant scientist who was incredibly eccentric.
02:05:28.000And one of the things he wanted to figure out was how to detach himself from his physical inputs of sound and feeling and seeing things and how to figure out how to get the mind literally away from any input of the body.
02:05:41.000He realized that life is very distracting and that conversations that you're having, if there's a bus driving by right next to you, it's hard to have that conversation.
02:07:51.000My point was, the idea of imagination is very strange because you have this idea, you have this thing that comes in your mind, wait a minute, if I do this and combine it with that, holy shit, I just made a new invention, this is going to revolutionize.
02:08:05.000What you've done is, with this thing in the ether, you have pulled it out of that and now it manifests itself in a physical form and alters human life.
02:08:17.000All the things that people have invented, they had to initially think up, whether it's the car, whether it's computers.
02:08:24.000This had to be a thought in someone's mind, a creative idea, or a conglomeration of other ideas that existed before that's a combinatory thing, and they combine it and make some new creative thing.
02:08:34.000But whatever the imagination is, it eventually manifests itself as an actual thing.
02:08:52.000Well, Gutenberg, when he came up with the printing press, even Freud, when he came up with the concept that you could figure out how the human mind works, Einstein's theory of relativity, Newton's calculus, these guys who were these seminal thinkers who came up with Even Karl Marx, for that matter.
02:09:08.000But these guys who came up with these sort of seminal concepts of, you know, how to restructure our society, how to restructure our biology, how to restructure our minds, how to look at our minds, all those things.
02:09:24.000In some ways, we came up with the atomic bomb.
02:09:25.000Well, yeah, I mean, it's all the same thing, right?
02:09:29.000It's all people in, you know, whatever branch of study that they choose to pursue, you know, they create things, you know, and it becomes an actual physical thing.
02:09:38.000But what is the imagination that's making that happen?
02:09:57.000If we all were cool, if everybody was like the people in this room right now, if the whole world was made up of us and we just ran into us everywhere, I mean, that's so egocentric and ridiculous to say, but the mindset of what I'm talking about.
02:11:39.000So if the center of every galaxy is a black hole and inside that black hole is a universe and then they're making universes, that's what they're doing.
02:11:49.000And we are on our way to being the next thing.
02:11:52.000You know, there was a caterpillar that became a butterfly, and that is the human being.
02:11:55.000If you want an actually great lecture on that, it's called Homo Evolutus, and it's by Juan Enriquez.
02:12:01.000Go to ted.com, and Juan Enriquez will take you through a lecture called Homo Evolutus, and he talks about how we're coming up with, for example, eyes that right now can see shadow and light, but they're going to pretty soon be able to see underwater and in the dark for a mile away.
02:12:17.000And we're going to start to become machine, part machine, as we come up with biocompatible components way faster than we're going to ever evolve into whatever else we're supposed to biologically.
02:12:26.000I know people already that have artificial hips.
02:12:38.000And on that note, Brian Callan, you're the greatest.
02:12:42.000Thank you very much for being on the podcast again.
02:12:44.000Always the most fascinating, intriguing, in-depth conversations, head-spinning shit.
02:12:49.000I'm going to have to go back and review it because there was a lot of stuff that we talked about that I'm like, wow, I really need to consider this.