The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #93 - Eddie Bravo (Part 1)

Eddie Bravo talks about the first twister in the UFC and how he invented it, how he got into jiu-jitsu, and why he hated football growing up in the 80s and early 90s. He also explains why he never wanted to be a professional football player, why he didn t want to go to college, and what it was like growing up a Mexican-American in the late 80s in the streets of Los Angeles. The Joe Rogan Experience is a sports podcast hosted by former NFL player and current UFC commentator Joe Rogans. The show is now available on all major podcasting platforms, including Podcoin, and Podcoin is giving away $5,000 to one lucky listener who leave a review on Apple Podcasts! Subscribe, rate, and review the show on iTunes, and share it with a friend who needs a good ol' day job. Thanks for listening and Good Luck Out There! -Joe Rogan and the Rogans Family Music: "Goodbye Outer Space" by Zapsplat and "Outer Space Traveler" by Fountains of Bakersfield, CA Logo by Courtney DeKorte & Co. Art: Mackenzie Moore Music: Hayden Coplen Editor: John Rocha & Matt Lavelle Additional Compositions by Jeff Kaale (c) Produced by Patrick McElroy and Mike McLaughlin Thanks to: Jeff and Brian ( ) & Matt ( ) for transcribing this episode of the podcast "Good Morning Joe" and the production of this episode "The Joes and the Joes & The Joes Podcasts Thank You for all the love and support you've given us the chance to make this podcast a chance to be heard on the podcast, and the support we've gotten so far this week, and all the hard work we've done in the past few months, and we're looking forward to all the feedback we've received so far, so much love & support we'll see you back in the coming back next week, thank you so much in the next week for your support, so please spread the love, good vibes, love, support, support and support, and love, and support us, and keep the support, love & appreciation, and appreciation, etc., etc., and all of the love & love, etc. - Thank you, Joe and Brian "The Korean Zombie"

00:00:07.000 The Joe Rogan Experience The Joe Rogan Experience Brothers and sisters, lovers and children, Brian Redman and Eddie Bravo are in the building!

00:00:34.000 What's up?

00:00:35.000 Hello?

00:00:37.000 Much respect to the Korean Zombie.

00:00:40.000 Eddie Bravo is wearing a Korean Zombie shirt and what this means for you non-MMA people.

00:00:45.000 There's a guy named Chan Sung Jung.

00:00:48.000 They call him the Korean Zombie.

00:00:49.000 That's his nickname.

00:00:51.000 And this weekend, on Saturday night at the UFC against Leonard Garcia, he pulled off the first twister ever in the UFC. And the significance, of course, is that Eddie Bravo, our guest today, actually invented the twister.

00:01:04.000 No, I didn't invent it.

00:01:06.000 Well, you invented the setup.

00:01:08.000 The setup.

00:01:08.000 The setups, yes.

00:01:09.000 The finishing move, no.

00:01:10.000 It's an old wrestling move.

00:01:11.000 But people used to finish people with it in wrestling?

00:01:13.000 No.

00:01:14.000 You can.

00:01:15.000 But did they do it your way with the S-grip on the forehead? 0.87

00:01:17.000 I thought that was all like your innovation to turn into a submission.

00:01:23.000 No, no, no.

00:01:24.000 People were cranking.

00:01:25.000 I don't know if they were cranking it exactly the way I crank it, but I'm pretty sure.

00:01:30.000 Had you seen other people get submitted with it before you ever started doing it?

00:01:35.000 In high school, I wrestled a couple years, and I wrestled in Santa Ana High.

00:01:40.000 In ninth grade, a guy named Jesse Barrios, and another guy, his buddy is the one who showed me.

00:01:46.000 I can't remember his name.

00:01:47.000 I couldn't even remember it from my book, but Jesse Barrios is his friend.

00:01:51.000 Santa Ana High School, 1985. If anybody out there is from that, there's Jesse Barrios' friend, the other leg rider on that wrestling team.

00:01:59.000 Fuck! 0.99

00:02:00.000 I don't know what his name was. 1.00

00:02:01.000 Anyways, he showed it to me.

00:02:02.000 And both of those...

00:02:04.000 And in wrestling, leg riding is for weak people.

00:02:06.000 And all that means is we're so weak, we need to use our legs a lot more than the big, strong dudes who are wrestling and hitting the weights and had big chests and shoulders.

00:02:19.000 Those guys really didn't rely on their legs as much as the weak guys like me.

00:02:22.000 I would skip weightlifting practice.

00:02:25.000 I was in the back where I was hiding.

00:02:28.000 I was weak even back then.

00:02:30.000 I was a terrible athlete.

00:02:32.000 I've never been a great athlete.

00:02:33.000 So I had to rely on using my legs.

00:02:36.000 And I thought, you know, they came to me.

00:02:39.000 Jesse came to me and I go, dude, you'll be perfect for this.

00:02:41.000 You know, because they knew I'd just get smashed if I try to go heads up with people.

00:02:46.000 So it's a pinning move that I learned in wrestling.

00:02:53.000 I got pretty good at it. 0.99

00:02:55.000 That was my shit, even in high school. 1.00

00:02:57.000 That was the thing I always tried. 0.99

00:02:58.000 I got some cool ass stories that maybe one day I'll talk about them, but I have some cool wrestling stories. 0.91

00:03:05.000 But anyways, I sucked at wrestling. 0.98

00:03:07.000 I only had one takedown in two fucking years. 1.00

00:03:09.000 I sucked. 0.99

00:03:10.000 So I just totally relied on leg riding and using... 0.95

00:03:14.000 It's actually called the guillotine.

00:03:16.000 It's actually not called the twister.

00:03:17.000 It's called the guillotine.

00:03:19.000 But when I started doing it in jiu-jitsu, Higgin Machado and Jean-Jacques Machado would just call it the twister because the guillotine already existed.

00:03:26.000 There's a lot of people out there that think that I took this wrestling move and I said, I'm going to try to fool the world and change the name and say I invented it.

00:03:37.000 There's...

00:03:38.000 Thousands of people to think that.

00:03:40.000 It's hilarious.

00:03:41.000 In my books from day one, it was the guillotine.

00:03:44.000 Hold on a second.

00:03:45.000 You're being a little bit modest because you invented all these setups and turned it into a very high percentage finish.

00:03:51.000 You invented a lot of setups from a lot of different places.

00:03:55.000 None of that stuff existed.

00:03:57.000 But this is the transition.

00:03:58.000 I ended up quitting wrestling.

00:04:01.000 The work ethic you need to be a good wrestler is something that is just not in my body chemistry.

00:04:07.000 I was not made to work really hard physically.

00:04:11.000 I hated work, regular jobs I knew.

00:04:13.000 That's why it was all about rock stardom or playing football. 0.94

00:04:18.000 I just wanted to be like a famous dude who just played for a living and got paid and was fucking adored by everybody. 0.89

00:04:26.000 That's what I wanted. 0.87

00:04:27.000 I didn't want to work.

00:04:29.000 I hated work.

00:04:30.000 Of course.

00:04:30.000 Who doesn't want that?

00:04:31.000 Oh my God.

00:04:32.000 Work actually killed me inside.

00:04:34.000 So it drove my artistic side. 1.00

00:04:37.000 So once I realized that Mexicans don't play football, I'm like, oh my God, I was in ninth grade and I was the slowest motherfucker out there. 0.99

00:04:45.000 And that was it, you know? 0.99

00:04:48.000 I had these dreams of playing football or making it in music.

00:04:52.000 Football was crushed in ninth grade.

00:04:54.000 Once everyone starts growing, you know what? 0.99

00:04:56.000 Junior All-American in peewee football, that's fucked up. 0.98

00:05:00.000 I played defensive lineman and middle linebacker in football. 0.93

00:05:03.000 I actually thought I was going to be a defensive lineman and a middle linebacker because when you're eight and you're nine, everyone's the same size.

00:05:10.000 And, you know, there's some brainwash going on that I really thought I was going to be a football player. 0.99

00:05:16.000 I really thought I was until ninth grade, shit. 0.98

00:05:19.000 Oh man, when I was in sixth grade, I was supposed to make the football team because in my neighborhood, in my neighborhood, I was a pretty good football player around Mexicans from like a really poor neighborhood. 1.00

00:05:30.000 I was pretty badass.

00:05:31.000 But when you go to school, when I went to sixth grade and in junior All-American, you know, football, peewee football, I was pretty good.

00:05:40.000 But once people start growing and start changing in sixth grade...

00:05:43.000 I went to sixth grade and I didn't make the football team.

00:05:45.000 They cut me.

00:05:47.000 I was supposed to be the football star from the...

00:05:49.000 I was so embarrassing, but it was flag football.

00:05:52.000 It wasn't tackle.

00:05:53.000 So in my head, I'm like, wait till ninth grade when I get to high school.

00:05:56.000 I'm going to play some tackle. 0.99

00:05:57.000 I'm going to show you what the fuck's going on. 0.99

00:05:59.000 So that's what I was thinking. 1.00

00:06:00.000 I go, fuck this year. 1.00

00:06:01.000 Fuck sixth grade. 1.00

00:06:02.000 So seventh grade, I transferred myself to a school far away that I only went to because... 0.99

00:06:10.000 There's more stories where I was driven away from my junior high school, so I went to another school.

00:06:15.000 I tried out for the football team in the seventh grade.

00:06:18.000 I got cut again, but it was flag football.

00:06:20.000 But I was so embarrassed that I told my friends growing up, all my kids, I told them that, yeah, I made the team second string quarterback, but you know what?

00:06:30.000 I got in a fight, so they had to cut me, man. 0.95

00:06:32.000 It sucks. 0.98

00:06:34.000 That's the story I told them! 0.98

00:06:36.000 I told the kids that I grew up with thought I made the team, but I got cut because I got in a fight with a dude.

00:06:43.000 That's hilarious.

00:06:44.000 I kept that going.

00:06:45.000 That's so funny.

00:06:46.000 I was so embarrassed that I didn't make the team.

00:06:48.000 I was so embarrassed.

00:06:49.000 And then in the eighth grade, one of the guys that I grew up with went to that school too.

00:06:54.000 He made the team.

00:06:55.000 He was awesome.

00:06:56.000 I didn't make the team again.

00:06:58.000 He never brought up the fact that he never asked anybody, didn't he make the team last year?

00:07:03.000 That never got brought up.

00:07:04.000 They never humiliated me.

00:07:05.000 Maybe they were talking behind my back.

00:07:07.000 Like, I don't know.

00:07:08.000 No one ever brought it up, but I did lie about it.

00:07:11.000 And I'm coming clean with it now.

00:07:12.000 I totally lied about it.

00:07:13.000 Don't you think for dudes that competition like that, any kind of competition, whether it's football or wrestling or anything...

00:07:19.000 It's so important for kids when they're growing up to know how hard it is if you really want to get good at something.

00:07:24.000 Oh, yeah.

00:07:26.000 You've got to tell Mexicans, listen, if you're Mexican and you think you're going to be a football player, look at reality. 1.00

00:07:31.000 Listen to me.

00:07:32.000 Look at reality.

00:07:33.000 There's one Mexican and he plays quarterback.

00:07:36.000 You think you're going to be him?

00:07:37.000 Get out of football. 1.00

00:07:39.000 Get that shit out of your head if you're Mexican. 1.00

00:07:41.000 Unless you've got some tall motherfuckers in your family. 1.00

00:07:43.000 There's a couple Mexicans out there, but what are the odds? 1.00

00:07:46.000 Cain Velasquez could have easily made it as a football player.

00:07:48.000 Maybe.

00:07:49.000 You think maybe?

00:07:50.000 Dude, there's a lot more than just being an athlete.

00:07:52.000 Everybody's an athlete in football.

00:07:53.000 You've got to have some serious skills and serious magic.

00:07:56.000 He could have just been a really strong, athletic guy.

00:07:58.000 Look at Matt Mitrione.

00:07:59.000 Strong and athletic. 1.00

00:08:01.000 Matt Mitrione's a fucking athlete. 1.00

00:08:03.000 Right. 1.00

00:08:03.000 You know, he didn't... 1.00

00:08:04.000 So do you think that if those guys came over to the UFC, those super athletes, those NFL dudes, do you think that's what we're seeing with John Jones?

00:08:12.000 Because that's the talk.

00:08:13.000 John Jones has two brothers, I believe, that are playing football right now.

00:08:17.000 Yeah, it's incredible.

00:08:18.000 John Jones, he's a super athlete.

00:08:21.000 And there's dudes that are super athletes that are in maybe other sports, and we're starting to see them in the UFC. That's a big topic of discussion.

00:08:29.000 How much of a difference does serious athleticism make?

00:08:32.000 It makes a huge difference.

00:08:33.000 It's a huge difference.

00:08:34.000 Hell yeah.

00:08:35.000 John Jones has been doing mixed martial arts for only three years.

00:08:40.000 Before that, he was a wrestler.

00:08:41.000 I mean, that's incredible.

00:08:44.000 You know what?

00:08:44.000 It's already happened in boxing.

00:08:46.000 Just look at what happened with boxing culturally.

00:08:50.000 Look what happens.

00:08:50.000 It's interesting, though, that football, and I guess it's just where the money is, that the high-money ones like football and basketball, they get the best athletes.

00:08:58.000 Yes.

00:08:58.000 I mean, even though the UFC's been around now since 93, it's not been like a real accepted mainstream thing, but for like the last five or six years, right?

00:09:08.000 Wouldn't you say?

00:09:10.000 Yes, yes.

00:09:11.000 You know, it's the super athletes that start...

00:09:15.000 Jiu-Jitsu early, wrestling their whole lives, and striking early.

00:09:19.000 They put it together like the Ruffo Brothers.

00:09:20.000 Yes.

00:09:21.000 It's the best athletes that start off like the Ruffo Brothers.

00:09:25.000 You know, I mean, some people can start off with Jiu-Jitsu and wrestling and striking early and achieve so much physically from it, but still...

00:09:37.000 They weren't born with the athleticism.

00:09:39.000 You know what I mean?

00:09:39.000 You gotta be a natural.

00:09:41.000 It's gotta all come together.

00:09:42.000 You gotta have all the pieces together to make it in the big sports that we see today.

00:09:48.000 You can't start playing football when you're 22 and make the NFL. If you do, it may have happened once or twice, some African guy. 1.00

00:09:56.000 I don't know.

00:09:57.000 It may have happened.

00:09:57.000 You know what I mean?

00:09:59.000 You know, one of them Mutombo, Makembe guys that started playing basketball for 18 months and he's in the NBA. You know what I'm saying?

00:10:06.000 Every now and then you get those freaks.

00:10:08.000 But generally, 98% of the time...

00:10:11.000 Look at what's going on with all the sports.

00:10:13.000 Did they just go and find that dude and say, hey, you want to play basketball?

00:10:16.000 I don't even know.

00:10:16.000 I'm just making it up.

00:10:17.000 One of those dudes, I'm sure, Minute Bowl, Akumbe, Mutombo, I can't even say his name, but one of those dudes, I'm sure, started playing basketball late.

00:10:28.000 Do you imagine what it must be like living like Minute Bowl?

00:10:31.000 It's like you're living in dollhouses everywhere.

00:10:34.000 Everywhere you go, they're dollhouses.

00:10:36.000 Everyone's building is built for dolls.

00:10:38.000 You have to hunch everywhere you go.

00:10:40.000 At what height, naturally for girls, for girls, taller guys, naturally, the taller you are, the more attractive you are, naturally.

00:10:49.000 But what, exactly what size, 6'8", 6'7", does it become a turn-off to girls? 1.00

00:10:55.000 Because there must be a turn-off point.

00:10:57.000 Or are they turned on by guys that are 7'3"?

00:11:00.000 Does a girl look at a guy 7'3 and it's totally attractive?

00:11:05.000 He's 7'3, he's so rare, I love him so much.

00:11:07.000 Or is it like, mmm, that's too tall.

00:11:10.000 I don't like him that tall. 0.99

00:11:11.000 It's ridiculous. 0.98

00:11:12.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

00:11:13.000 What is it?

00:11:14.000 Well, they would also worry, I think, evolutionarily about that.

00:11:17.000 Is this real?

00:11:18.000 Is that a real word? 1.00

00:11:19.000 About the baby getting too big inside of them and get stuck coming out of their pussy and just blow it all out. 1.00

00:11:25.000 If you've got a 7'3 dude, imagine how big his fucking babies are. 1.00

00:11:28.000 If it's half his baby, you've got a 15, 20-pound baby inside you, Hooker. 1.00

00:11:33.000 How about that?

00:11:34.000 You know what?

00:11:34.000 I will say this, though.

00:11:35.000 I am not attracted to...

00:11:36.000 Does it work like that?

00:11:37.000 I'm not attracted to real tall chicks. 1.00

00:11:39.000 I'm just... 1.00

00:11:40.000 You know, and especially when they get fucking ridiculous. 0.99

00:11:42.000 If a girl's 6'1... 1.00

00:11:45.000 Usually, they gotta have really pretty faces.

00:11:48.000 Usually, their bodies start to get out of whack.

00:11:51.000 You know what I mean? 0.62

00:11:52.000 But, I have looked at big, tall-ass chicks. 1.00

00:11:57.000 And when you see them in public, the thoughts will race through my mind. 0.99

00:12:00.000 Like, damn, that'd be nice just to pump a load into her and see what my baby would... 1.00

00:12:05.000 See what my boy would turn out like. 0.99

00:12:06.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

00:12:06.000 How proud would I be of that fucking kid? 1.00

00:12:09.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

00:12:10.000 He's 6'3 and that's my son?

00:12:12.000 Can you imagine? 1.00

00:12:12.000 He's 6'5 and that's my son and he's beating ass? 1.00

00:12:15.000 Todd Duffy looking dude. 0.99

00:12:16.000 That's my son?

00:12:17.000 That'd be cool, dude.

00:12:19.000 How cool would that be?

00:12:20.000 Can you imagine that's what you look for in a girl? 1.00

00:12:22.000 That's how you hunt a girl? 1.00

00:12:22.000 Who cares what she looks like? 1.00

00:12:24.000 Hold on, we can't keep on two conversations at the same time.

00:12:26.000 Can you imagine that's how you found girls?

00:12:28.000 That's like how you went to go date girls?

00:12:30.000 Just by looking at them as a mother to a child, like a super athlete?

00:12:35.000 I think that's That dude, Zulu, remember?

00:12:39.000 Zulu, the guy who fought Hicks and Gracie?

00:12:41.000 Yeah.

00:12:42.000 He has this story about the way he described it was a large negress and that he knew that she would make great babies for him. 1.00

00:12:51.000 So he found her and he described like what he did, like how he shot loads into her to make a boy that he knew that the way he was doing it was definitely to make a boy, like he had some method.

00:13:03.000 And then Zulu came out.

00:13:04.000 Dude, I would pay 50 bucks.

00:13:05.000 It's a great story.

00:13:06.000 I would pay 50 bucks right now if you said I got the DVD, the documentary of that.

00:13:11.000 I would go, I'd give you 50 bucks for that.

00:13:13.000 I would even go 75 bucks, but I'd go, your dad's a lot, but goddammit, I'll still pay for it.

00:13:19.000 That's an awesome story. 0.99

00:13:20.000 Can you imagine how much of a pain in the ass it must be if you're a kid and your dad was some fighter and you're supposed to be a fighter too? 0.99

00:13:26.000 You're like, goddammit, really? 0.99

00:13:27.000 I can't just have fun?

00:13:29.000 I can't just go hang out?

00:13:30.000 No, I gotta go in a fight? 1.00

00:13:32.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

00:13:33.000 Or like any profession. 1.00

00:13:34.000 Like, his son didn't really seem like he wanted to be doing that, right?

00:13:38.000 You know?

00:13:39.000 I mean, it's almost like...

00:13:40.000 I mean, you almost have to if your dad is Zulu. 1.00

00:13:43.000 You know, your dad is this famous guy who got in a bare-knuckle cage fight with fucking Hicks and Gracie back in the day. 0.87

00:13:49.000 Maybe he wasn't into it, and he kind of got just like, you know what? 0.94

00:13:53.000 I don't want to work a regular job.

00:13:54.000 I got a name.

00:13:55.000 I can actually fight.

00:13:56.000 But he did do jiu-jitsu, though.

00:13:58.000 He was all right at jiu-jitsu.

00:13:59.000 He was like a purple belt back when he fought, so...

00:14:01.000 He was doing jiu-jitsu.

00:14:02.000 So in a weird way, Jiu-jitsu beat Zulu, but Zulu's son was into jiu-jitsu.

00:14:09.000 That's pretty cool, right?

00:14:10.000 Yeah.

00:14:11.000 Do you remember that Hicks and Gracie footage?

00:14:13.000 For those of you who don't know, Hicks vs.

00:14:15.000 Zulu was one of the very, very first no-rules fights that was where they planned it out.

00:14:21.000 They had a whole arena full of people in Brazil checking this out.

00:14:24.000 A young Hicks and Gracie, who was 18, I think he was a representative of jiu-jitsu, fought this giant Super-athlete black dude named Zulu.

00:14:33.000 And this guy's just yoked.

00:14:35.000 He's just slamming him.

00:14:36.000 And Hickson eventually gets his back and strangles him.

00:14:38.000 And it's one of those all-time great videos where people watch it.

00:14:42.000 Like, jiu-jitsu guys, back in the day, it was like, this is proof, man.

00:14:45.000 This is proof.

00:14:46.000 Like, look, if you get a good jiu-jitsu, you can overcome a guy like this.

00:14:50.000 And he's only 18. It was like a big fucking deal. 0.99

00:14:53.000 And the footage is so bad, but it looks cool. 0.98

00:14:56.000 It's like...

00:14:57.000 50th generation.

00:14:59.000 All that footage.

00:15:00.000 It's dudes taping it off VHS. Somehow it got the DVD and then a copy.

00:15:06.000 And it already started off as terrible footage.

00:15:09.000 Now it's like silhouetted.

00:15:11.000 It's like a yellow and black and orange type thing.

00:15:14.000 But it's classic.

00:15:15.000 One of the coolest things that I ever got out of being famous was I got to have dinner with Hickson.

00:15:21.000 That to me was one of the coolest things ever.

00:15:23.000 I had dinner with Hickson and then we went over his house and we watched fights and he broke down what dudes were doing wrong.

00:15:29.000 He was watching Mario Sperry fight in Coliseum and he was just talking about space.

00:15:34.000 He was just talking about, I give no space.

00:15:36.000 I give no space.

00:15:38.000 He's such an intense dude.

00:15:42.000 He was talking about his philosophy on jiu-jitsu.

00:15:45.000 Very simple.

00:15:46.000 We start at zero.

00:15:47.000 And from zero, we're going to one.

00:15:49.000 We're not going back to zero.

00:15:51.000 And then from one, we're going to two.

00:15:53.000 From two to three, to checkmate.

00:15:56.000 That's where we're going to go. 0.99

00:15:58.000 I was like, God damn! 0.99

00:16:00.000 You get the chills talking to him. 1.00

00:16:02.000 You're like, I'm sitting here talking to Hickson motherfucking Gracie and he's giving me some intense life philosophy on how he strangles dudes. 0.98

00:16:11.000 He's into it. 0.99

00:16:13.000 We're watching all these fights and he's breaking the shit down. 0.99

00:16:16.000 We watched the Funaki fight with him and Funaki. 0.99

00:16:19.000 Those Hickson fights, man.

00:16:21.000 God, I wish there were more of them.

00:16:22.000 So annoying, man.

00:16:24.000 So annoying that you don't get to see the best supposed representative ever of jujitsu at the time fighting those guys. 0.98

00:16:32.000 You know, fighting all Mark Coleman's and, you know, all the fucking guys that everyone was scared of. 0.99

00:16:36.000 Mark Kerr and all that shit. 0.99

00:16:38.000 How fascinating would that have been, man? 1.00

00:16:40.000 Fuck, that would have been awesome. 1.00

00:16:44.000 That would freak me out. 1.00

00:16:45.000 It really would.

00:16:47.000 It would freak me out to sit and hang out with Hickson Gracie. 0.98

00:16:51.000 He's cool as fuck. 0.97

00:16:52.000 That would freak me out. 0.96

00:16:53.000 He's a super nice guy. 0.99

00:16:54.000 His son is cool as fuck. 0.98

00:16:55.000 Nobody else in jujitsu would freak me out like Hickson. 0.99

00:16:58.000 You know what I mean?

00:16:59.000 Marcelo Garcia, to me, Marcelo Garcia is the number one jujitsu guy that's ever lived.

00:17:05.000 I think Marcelo Garcia is the number one guy that's ever lived.

00:17:11.000 But Hickson is the most mystical and rockstar-ish.

00:17:18.000 You know what I mean?

00:17:19.000 He's like... 1.00

00:17:20.000 Motherfucker was in the Incredible Hulk. 1.00

00:17:22.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

00:17:23.000 You saw the Incredible Hulk with Ed Norton when Ed Norton is learning how to calm and control himself.

00:17:27.000 Hickson Gracie's slapping him in the face. 0.79

00:17:28.000 That's the man.

00:17:30.000 I would freak out if...

00:17:34.000 If, like, me and Hickson, which are sitting there talking to jiu-jitsu, I mean, it's not out of the question.

00:17:39.000 That might happen in the future.

00:17:41.000 Oh, yeah, for sure.

00:17:42.000 And it might, it might not.

00:17:43.000 I would love it. 0.99

00:17:44.000 That would be a fucking dream of mine to hang out and talk jiu-jitsu and break shit down to the core. 0.99

00:17:50.000 Well, for the people who don't know the history, Eddie Bravo tapped Hickson's brother, Hoyler, in Abu Dhabi in 2003 in this giant upset when Eddie was at Brown Belt. 0.99

00:18:01.000 And he caught him with a triangle.

00:18:03.000 So there's, like, perceived animosity sometimes because of that.

00:18:07.000 But there's none exists.

00:18:08.000 You've never been anything but respectful of any of those guys.

00:18:11.000 You know, it's just...

00:18:12.000 There's, uh...

00:18:13.000 I know that they were trying to do some sort of a rematch with you and Hoyler, but, uh...

00:18:17.000 Yeah.

00:18:18.000 I guess that was badly organized.

00:18:20.000 What happened is a promoter called or emailed me last October, October or November.

00:18:28.000 And it was a guy that I've done privates for.

00:18:30.000 I know who he is.

00:18:32.000 And he's really high up in jujitsu in the Middle East and Abu Dhabi.

00:18:38.000 And they were putting together a no-gi world championship in Abu Dhabi.

00:18:44.000 They never had a no-gi one. 0.98

00:18:46.000 They're doing gi world championships out there, but the no-gi ones, they wanted to have one in April.

00:18:53.000 And they asked me if they wanted to have me and Hoyler as a supermatch.

00:18:57.000 But they never contacted him?

00:18:59.000 They told me this is what happened.

00:19:01.000 Then I emailed him back and I'm like, you know me, I'm down to rematch Hoyler anytime.

00:19:06.000 I've always been down.

00:19:07.000 I've never been the one denying it.

00:19:09.000 I want one more match.

The Joe Rogan Experience - March 28, 2011

Joe Rogan Experience #93 - Eddie Bravo (Part 1)

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