The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #957 - Cameron Hanes

00:00:00.000 Streaming here. 0.99

00:00:00.000 We got 6,000 people on this motherfucker. 0.99

00:00:04.000 3,000. 1.00

00:00:05.000 3,752.

00:00:06.000 Really?

00:00:06.000 See?

00:00:06.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:00:07.000 It takes a little while.

00:00:09.000 Hey, and we're live, ladies and gentlemen.

00:00:10.000 We're live and we're live.

00:00:12.000 This is the first time we've ever been live while also being live on Instagram. 0.99

00:00:19.000 I don't ever use this shit. 0.99

00:00:20.000 Do you ever use this? 0.98

00:00:21.000 I was for a while, and it was cool, but it's one way to get a lot of new followers, because if you go to Top Live, which I'm sure you are, so who's ever live, it'll have Top Live with the most people who are tuning in, and so that's where you are right now,

00:00:38.000 and so people who don't follow you will see you on Top Live.

00:00:41.000 We have 7,600, 7,700.

00:00:46.000 That's good.

00:00:47.000 7,800. 0.98

00:00:48.000 It's getting fucking crazy in here. 0.72

00:00:50.000 Cameron Haynes, fresh back from Australian Outback where he's out there wrestling. 0.95

00:00:53.000 See those reflexes, folks?

00:00:55.000 That was good.

00:00:55.000 It didn't even hit the table.

00:00:56.000 Almost dropped it.

00:00:56.000 Didn't even come close.

00:00:58.000 That's years of jujitsu.

00:00:59.000 Years of trying to keep people from choking me.

00:01:01.000 Yeah.

00:01:02.000 My instincts are a little too jumpy.

00:01:03.000 That's the problem.

00:01:04.000 Right.

00:01:05.000 Too much quick movement. 1.00

00:01:06.000 You've got to calm that shit down for bow hunting. 1.00

00:01:08.000 It's the coughing. 1.00

00:01:08.000 Oh, for bowhunting, you gotta be... 1.00

00:01:09.000 It's the opposite.

00:01:10.000 You need the opposite.

00:01:11.000 Nice and steady, baby.

00:01:12.000 Yeah.

00:01:12.000 See, bowhunting is pretty much the opposite way of thinking than jujitsu.

00:01:17.000 Because jujitsu, you gotta fucking... 0.99

00:01:19.000 You gotta keep moving. 0.99

00:01:20.000 You gotta constantly...

00:01:22.000 You gotta constantly be protecting yourself and moving and trying to close the deal.

00:01:27.000 Bow hunting is like steady.

00:01:30.000 Yeah, it is.

00:01:31.000 Dude, you're out there wrestling wallabies, I heard?

00:01:33.000 Yeah, something like that.

00:01:35.000 Jamie's ready to go.

00:01:36.000 He was saying that. 0.99

00:01:37.000 He was like, I want to wrestle a fucking wallaby. 1.00

00:01:39.000 I don't think you do. 0.99

00:01:41.000 We saw a dead one, and it has claws about that long. 0.59

00:01:45.000 Do they really?

00:01:45.000 Yeah, I mean, so you can imagine...

00:01:47.000 And their legs are just obviously bouncing all the time.

00:01:50.000 Their legs have just got to be jacked in with those big claws. 0.99

00:01:53.000 I mean, what I try to relate it to is, have you ever tried to hold down a cat, a house cat that doesn't want to be held down?

00:01:58.000 I have, man.

00:01:59.000 Right.

00:01:59.000 So, they have little tiny claws.

00:02:01.000 Imagine what a wallaby with those jacked legs and big claws could do. 0.98

00:02:05.000 Plus, it's wild.

00:02:06.000 Wouldn't be good.

00:02:06.000 I used to have a wild cat.

00:02:08.000 I had a feral cat.

00:02:09.000 Is that a wallaby?

00:02:10.000 Wow, you're a cute little fella. 1.00

00:02:12.000 Yeah, I know.

00:02:13.000 Whoa, look at the teeth.

00:02:14.000 That's not real.

00:02:15.000 Is that real?

00:02:16.000 That's really his teeth?

00:02:17.000 Jesus Christ!

00:02:18.000 Well, look at the claws on those things. 0.94

00:02:20.000 I don't know if it'll show claws ever.

00:02:22.000 I can't believe they have teeth like that.

00:02:24.000 Yeah.

00:02:24.000 See those front claws?

00:02:25.000 What the hell does a wallaby eat? 1.00

00:02:28.000 I figured a wallaby was like eating nuts and shit. 1.00

00:02:30.000 Now I think they're murderers. 1.00

00:02:31.000 Like babies? 0.94

00:02:32.000 So it looks like a little kangaroo.

00:02:33.000 Yeah.

00:02:34.000 Oh, they have a kangaroo tail and a whole deal.

00:02:36.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:02:36.000 They're very similar to kangaroos.

00:02:39.000 Was that a real teeth, though?

00:02:40.000 I think so.

00:02:41.000 That wasn't photoshopped? 1.00

00:02:42.000 Google wallaby's teeth, because I just have a feeling that was bullshit. 0.99

00:02:46.000 It just looked like a vampire. 1.00

00:02:48.000 I feel like they're like the ugly stepchild of kangaroos. 1.00

00:02:53.000 Because they're kind of more hunched over. 0.99

00:02:54.000 I'm like, damn, we're losing viewers. 0.98

00:02:56.000 What? 0.99

00:02:57.000 Crazy.

00:02:58.000 We're top live, but we're losing viewers like crazy.

00:03:02.000 We're down to 5,900.

00:03:03.000 We're dropping.

00:03:04.000 Maybe I'll turn it towards me.

00:03:06.000 Maybe that's a problem.

00:03:08.000 Probably.

00:03:09.000 When it's turned towards Cam.

00:03:11.000 Oh, jumping back up.

00:03:13.000 Now we're up to 6,500.

00:03:15.000 It is your page, after all.

00:03:18.000 That can't be real.

00:03:19.000 The one we're looking at right now is vampire deer.

00:03:23.000 I've seen those things before.

00:03:24.000 Those vampire deer?

00:03:26.000 That's a real thing, right?

00:03:27.000 Those deer with those crazy fangs?

00:03:28.000 I think so, yeah.

00:03:29.000 It's real, but why do they have fangs like that?

00:03:33.000 They're not predators.

00:03:34.000 It's very strange.

00:03:35.000 Did you see that they found, for the first time ever, a deer eating a human carcass?

00:03:41.000 A deer?

00:03:42.000 Yeah.

00:03:42.000 No, I didn't see that.

00:03:43.000 The scientist.

00:03:44.000 See if you can pull that story up.

00:03:45.000 It was yesterday.

00:03:46.000 Oh.

00:03:46.000 All right.

00:03:47.000 Folks, this is very distracting.

00:03:50.000 Go to joerogan.live and you can see this whole thing.

00:03:54.000 I would read this, but...

00:03:56.000 Here's the thing about getting older, folks. 1.00

00:03:58.000 Your fucking eyes start to go. 1.00

00:04:00.000 Cameron Haynes' eyes are still excellent, though. 1.00

00:04:02.000 I gotta tell you, this motherfucker can see shit. 1.00

00:04:04.000 He can see anything. 1.00

00:04:05.000 Conspiracy theory.

00:04:06.000 We're the same age.

00:04:07.000 We're the same age. 1.00

00:04:08.000 And his eyes, I don't know why my eyes suck. 1.00

00:04:11.000 But my dick is getting bigger. 1.00

00:04:13.000 I don't know what's going on with that either. 1.00

00:04:15.000 Imagine?

00:04:16.000 Tit for tat. 1.00

00:04:17.000 People would trade in glasses for a bigger dick, for sure. 1.00

00:04:23.000 Show feet? 1.00

00:04:24.000 What is that?

00:04:24.000 People are so weird.

00:04:26.000 Yeah, I know.

00:04:27.000 People put weird comments just to get you to read them, and he got me. 1.00

00:04:31.000 He got me this fuck. 0.98

00:04:32.000 Alright, folks, I'm going to shut this off, and we're going to just have a podcast. 1.00

00:04:37.000 JoeRogan.Live.

00:04:38.000 You can watch.

00:04:39.000 We're streaming on YouTube until we make this big deal with Twitch.

00:04:43.000 See ya.

00:04:44.000 Bam.

00:04:45.000 End live video.

00:04:47.000 Do I save it?

00:04:47.000 Done.

00:04:48.000 Nope, didn't save it. 1.00

00:04:50.000 Fuck it. 1.00

00:04:51.000 You can save them? 1.00

00:04:51.000 Yeah, there's a little thing up in the upper right-hand corner, but I saw it right as I was pressing. 1.00

00:04:57.000 Mid-press.

00:04:58.000 I was just like, what's the big deal?

00:05:00.000 You know?

00:05:01.000 Don't know.

00:05:02.000 I don't know, dude.

00:05:04.000 So, never before seen, deer spotted eating human bones.

00:05:08.000 Makes sense, though.

00:05:09.000 Like, they would just think it's like calcium.

00:05:10.000 Calcium, yeah.

00:05:11.000 Yeah, they don't know it's a bone. 1.00

00:05:12.000 It's not like they're like, fuck these people. 1.00

00:05:15.000 It's not like it's like, finally deer's eating people. 1.00

00:05:18.000 No.

00:05:18.000 But we've showed videos before of deer eating birds.

00:05:22.000 Like, because they eat birds all the time.

00:05:24.000 Oh, they do.

00:05:25.000 Yeah, like literally actively going after birds, like they're falling out of nests.

00:05:30.000 Deer is like following it and the birds are trying to chase the deer off.

00:05:34.000 And the deer is like, yeah, whatever, I'm eating that bird.

00:05:36.000 Look at this.

00:05:36.000 So this deer is, the other birds, they're like, get out of there, get out of there.

00:05:42.000 It's a button buck.

00:05:43.000 He's got these little tiny nubs and he's trying to get this ground nesting bird He's going to go past that tree and then the guy filming it.

00:05:52.000 See the bird hopping around the ground?

00:05:55.000 So it's a bird that fell out of a nest.

00:05:57.000 He's going to eat that?

00:05:59.000 Oh yeah, 100%.

00:06:00.000 He's chasing it.

00:06:02.000 I mean, he's going after it on purpose. 0.80

00:06:05.000 What a predator he is.

00:06:05.000 Look at the speed.

00:06:07.000 The speed that deer shows.

00:06:08.000 But it just shows you how opportunistic live animals are.

00:06:12.000 Oh yeah.

00:06:13.000 Wild animals, like something in that deer's body tells it to eat that thing.

00:06:18.000 Hey, there's no compassion out there for animals.

00:06:21.000 No, watch.

00:06:21.000 Animal on animal.

00:06:22.000 Look at him, he's eating it.

00:06:23.000 Oh my.

00:06:24.000 It's dark.

00:06:25.000 Yeah, that's the way it goes.

00:06:27.000 Yeah.

00:06:28.000 Life eats life.

00:06:29.000 It's just weird to see a deer, for some reason, eat a bird and do it on purpose.

00:06:34.000 He's all excited.

00:06:35.000 It's like, oh yeah, this is great.

00:06:36.000 He's good.

00:06:38.000 There's some sort of wildlife thing.

00:06:42.000 They were doing some sort of a survey, and they captured these birds with a net.

00:06:46.000 They had this net set up in this area where these birds fly, just so they could capture these particular birds.

00:06:52.000 But the deer kept eating the birds, and they couldn't figure it out.

00:06:56.000 They're like, what is going on here?

00:06:57.000 And then they watched.

00:06:58.000 They had a video of these deer walking up and picking them off the net and eating these birds.

00:07:04.000 Wow.

00:07:04.000 While the birds were like, Jesus, I can't believe this is happening.

00:07:06.000 Yeah.

00:07:06.000 Getting eaten by a deer.

00:07:08.000 Yeah, you don't see that every day.

00:07:09.000 No.

00:07:10.000 But I'm not surprised.

00:07:11.000 Yeah, I'm not surprised either.

00:07:12.000 I've seen cows do it, too.

00:07:13.000 There's videos of cows doing it.

00:07:15.000 For the longest time, people didn't think that.

00:07:16.000 They thought that, you know, those are just herbivores.

00:07:19.000 Yeah.

00:07:20.000 But no, nature's just set them up to be super slow.

00:07:22.000 But if something really...

00:07:24.000 Delicious is in front of them.

00:07:26.000 I thought it was an Eddie Bravo thing.

00:07:28.000 Oh, it's a conspiracy?

00:07:29.000 Yeah, he came up with it.

00:07:30.000 No, it's not an Eddie Bravo conspiracy.

00:07:32.000 Eddie Bravo believes a lot of conspiracies, but he doesn't believe that...

00:07:35.000 What is this one?

00:07:37.000 Oh, what is that, an eagle jacking a bunny rabbit?

00:07:41.000 That's a deer.

00:07:42.000 Oh, is it a little deer?

00:07:43.000 Eagles are so ruthless.

00:07:45.000 Wow, look at that.

00:07:46.000 Bam! 0.98

00:07:47.000 We could do this all day, folks.

00:07:49.000 You got back from the real wild, man.

00:07:52.000 Like, where you were.

00:07:53.000 The Instagram story, so Cameron Haynes and our buddy Adam Greentree and a few other fellows were up there in the north country of Australia, and you guys took over the Under Armour hunt page, and It was epic, man.

00:08:06.000 The Under Armour hunt page, like the little Instagram stories.

00:08:09.000 I don't like Instagram stories.

00:08:11.000 You know why?

00:08:11.000 Because they're only 15 seconds, and the little teases.

00:08:13.000 I wanted you guys to be live streaming from up there.

00:08:16.000 Yeah, it would be nice, wouldn't it?

00:08:18.000 But it was super cool where you guys were at.

00:08:19.000 It was terrifying.

00:08:21.000 You kept showing these brown snakes, the second most deadly snake in the world.

00:08:26.000 Yeah, that's what I'm told, yeah.

00:08:28.000 You saw how many of them?

00:08:31.000 Four or five.

00:08:33.000 Yeah, but it only takes one. 0.98

00:08:35.000 Yeah, and you're dead, right?

00:08:37.000 I don't know. 0.63

00:08:38.000 Pretty much dead.

00:08:38.000 Well, second most deadly, yes.

00:08:40.000 Doesn't sound good.

00:08:41.000 That's not good.

00:08:43.000 No, and then there's, you know, big old spiders and...

00:08:47.000 Crocodiles.

00:08:48.000 Yeah, you guys saw crocodiles?

00:08:49.000 Yeah.

00:08:50.000 You even filmed crocodiles.

00:08:51.000 Yeah, they were right where we were, you know, super.

00:08:55.000 I mean, this is still not even their summer, but it's still very warm.

00:08:59.000 I mean, where we were up hunting buffalo at the top end is what they call, which is out of Darwin.

00:09:05.000 It was 90 to 100 degrees.

00:09:07.000 So there's some film of...

00:09:09.000 Now, this is a freshwater crocodile, which is not as big, right?

00:09:13.000 Not as big or as aggressive as a saltwater croc, but could still definitely do damage.

00:09:18.000 And this was, you know, mere feet from where we were sleeping.

00:09:20.000 And this is where we'd go and take baths or just kind of cool down during the heat of the day.

00:09:26.000 That's where he was right there.

00:09:28.000 And how big is that guy?

00:09:30.000 Oh, I don't know.

00:09:32.000 Six, eight, seven, eight feet, something like that.

00:09:35.000 I mean, you know, he wasn't huge, but he'd definitely do some damage if he got ahold of you.

00:09:41.000 Did you guys see any of the saltwater ones while you were there?

00:09:43.000 No.

00:09:44.000 No, so you were telling me about this one pond that was near you guys, where you saw eyes at night, and you didn't think there was any crocodiles?

00:09:51.000 No, that was it.

00:09:51.000 That was it?

00:09:51.000 It was right there.

00:09:52.000 So the first night, we saw the one, just that one right there.

00:09:55.000 We went over there and videoed him and checked him out.

00:09:58.000 And then the next night, Adam went down there to the creek, and it was only about maybe 15, 20 feet across, just small, just very shallow.

00:10:08.000 And he looked down and said there was like six sets of eyes, red eyes, which is crocodile.

00:10:13.000 So that was, you know, they'd moved in.

00:10:17.000 Have you ever seen a live saltwater one in the wild?

00:10:23.000 I think we did the last time I hunted there.

00:10:28.000 But I'm trying to remember.

00:10:30.000 Or maybe it was, I think when we were flying.

00:10:32.000 Yeah.

00:10:32.000 When we were flying, we saw him.

00:10:35.000 So you have to take a flight from where Adam lives.

00:10:39.000 Adam lives near Melbourne, right?

00:10:41.000 Sydney.

00:10:42.000 He lives near Sydney.

00:10:43.000 New South Wales is what it's called.

00:10:44.000 And then you fly four and a half hours to where these water buffalo are.

00:10:49.000 Yeah, and then last time we used a helicopter to get out of Darwin, and that was four hours in the helicopter.

00:10:56.000 And so this time we had a helicopter, and so we flew the country to kind of look at it, and we saw some pretty big crocs from there.

00:11:05.000 On the river system.

00:11:07.000 So how do you know where to stop when you're buffalo hunting?

00:11:11.000 How do you know where to go?

00:11:14.000 Well, I mean, basically it's however far you can walk.

00:11:20.000 We were walking, I don't know, I want to say at least 10 miles a day.

00:11:27.000 I think Adam and his guys one time, his camera guy, walked 18 miles one day.

00:11:33.000 So we were always 10, 12, 13 miles a day.

00:11:37.000 So we're just covering country.

00:11:38.000 Jesus Christ.

00:11:41.000 It was hard hunting up there right now because this is their wet season or the tail end of their wet season.

00:11:45.000 And so the foliage was really grown up, really thick, so it was very hard to see the buffalo.

00:11:51.000 Normally, later when we went, it's all burnt up because of summer, and so there's no foliage.

00:12:00.000 You can see the buffalo from miles, basically, but with this grass, the grass is in some places eight feet tall.

00:12:07.000 I mean, you'd have to be 50 yards away to see a buffalo, and they're, you know, 1,800 to 2,000 pounds.

00:12:14.000 So it makes it hard to find them, and then it also makes it dangerous to trail them, you know, if you're blood trailing them, or even if you just surprise one.

00:12:23.000 You know, you surprise an animal that close, a wild animal like that, and who knows how they're going to react.

00:12:29.000 Yeah, that's a huge animal.

00:12:31.000 Yeah, and with that grass, it just, you know, as you know, Adam and I did a, and the camera guys, we did a podcast up there, and we were kind of talking about the challenges of the hunt, and that was a big part of it, is just not being able to see very much country,

00:12:47.000 and so people never hunt buffalo this time of year.

00:12:51.000 This is like, people say, why would you go?

00:12:53.000 You're not gonna, you know, nobody goes this time, and we just...

00:12:56.000 When do they go?

00:12:57.000 They go later in the year, you know, when there's not so much foliage.

00:13:00.000 So they go like in their fall?

00:13:03.000 Yeah, it would be, you know, last time I went is December, which is just before the wet season starts.

00:13:09.000 This is the tail end of the wet season right now.

00:13:11.000 So we're thinking about when we want to take you up there would be around November, October, November, because you don't want to get stuck with the wet season hit because that's big rains.

00:13:21.000 Right.

00:13:22.000 But you want it, and also it makes it easier to find the animals because there's not water everywhere.

00:13:28.000 Right now there's water everywhere, so they don't have to be concentrated to get water.

00:13:32.000 But later in the year, a lot of the water sources have dried up, so if you've got a good water hole, you know every animal's coming there.

00:13:41.000 So these are, for people who don't know, this is an invasive species of water buffalo.

00:13:46.000 An enormous Asian. 1.00

00:13:48.000 What is it called?

00:13:49.000 Is it just called Asian water buffalo?

00:13:51.000 What is the actual name of it?

00:13:52.000 I think it...

00:13:53.000 Yeah, there might be an...

00:13:56.000 I just call them Asian water buffaloes.

00:13:58.000 It seems like there's a sea in there somewhere, Asiatic or something.

00:14:02.000 I don't know.

00:14:02.000 Maybe?

00:14:02.000 Jamie can look it up.

00:14:03.000 Jamie can look it up.

00:14:04.000 But it's such a wild, cool-looking animal.

00:14:08.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:14:08.000 They're big.

00:14:09.000 They're big.

00:14:10.000 And my bull is a big, old bull.

00:14:16.000 We called him in using a wounded calf call. 0.75

00:14:21.000 Oh, wow.

00:14:22.000 So this is what it looks like.

00:14:23.000 Yeah, that's a female, obviously. 1.00

00:14:26.000 I typed in Asian water buffalo.

00:14:27.000 Yeah, that's it.

00:14:28.000 That's what it looks like.

00:14:30.000 Go to Cam's Instagram page and there's a picture of the...

00:14:34.000 Yeah, there it is.

00:14:36.000 No, that's Adam's.

00:14:37.000 Oh, that's Adam's?

00:14:38.000 Yeah.

00:14:38.000 And yours is in the upper right-hand corner.

00:14:40.000 But you only see the skull.

00:14:41.000 Yeah, right there.

00:14:42.000 You only see the skull.

00:14:44.000 Yeah, and then... 1.00

00:14:45.000 That's the fucking head. 1.00

00:14:46.000 People don't want to see that. 1.00

00:14:47.000 What is he doing?

00:14:49.000 Folks, that's how you make cheeseburgers. 1.00

00:14:51.000 It's fine.

00:14:52.000 There's only one way.

00:14:53.000 There's another picture of it, I think, when he's coming in right there, right above that, Jamie.

00:14:58.000 The one with the far left.

00:15:01.000 Yeah, right there.

00:15:03.000 That's him at full draw, or that's looking through the riser of the bow.

00:15:07.000 Yeah, so that's that bull coming in, aggressive.

00:15:09.000 You can see his eyes.

00:15:11.000 He was just pissed off.

00:15:15.000 That's at under 20 yards, and he's not stopping. 0.67

00:15:18.000 And so I shot him there, frontal through the chest, and he's almost like self-defense.

00:15:26.000 Wow. 0.94

00:15:27.000 So these are animals that if hunters don't go up there and kill them, they actually hire people to go up there and kill them, right?

00:15:34.000 Yeah, I mean, these things have spread disease up there. 0.98

00:15:38.000 I mean, they're a non-native species, and any water source up there is ruined.

00:15:44.000 Any natural habitat has been ruined because there's so many buffalo.

00:15:47.000 So they just want them killed, basically.

00:15:49.000 They're like... 0.51

00:15:51.000 It'd be like similar to coyotes here.

00:15:53.000 Except 2,000 pounds.

00:15:55.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:15:56.000 And no predators either. 0.99

00:15:58.000 No, there's nothing else to kill them. 0.99

00:15:59.000 And maybe a croc could kill a calf. 1.00

00:16:02.000 A small one, right?

00:16:04.000 They just need, you know, coyotes down here in North America don't ruin water sources and ruin habitat like these things do.

00:16:10.000 These things are just wrecking machines and there's hundreds of thousands of them up there.

00:16:15.000 So they ruin water sources for the native animals as well?

00:16:19.000 Yeah, for anything. 0.99

00:16:21.000 Because they shit and piss in the water. 1.00

00:16:24.000 Well, Australia is so strange, and as is New Zealand, in that all these people imported animals there in the 1800s, and I guess even before. 0.99

00:16:35.000 When did they establish Australia and New Zealand?

00:16:38.000 I'm not sure.

00:16:39.000 I forget when they established.

00:16:40.000 See if you can find out when they established.

00:16:41.000 We talked about this recently with Josh Zeps, didn't we?

00:16:44.000 But they brought in all these animals with no game plan.

00:16:48.000 They just let them loose, and then they're like, oh, Jesus.

00:16:51.000 So, in New Zealand, they have these beautiful stags, these incredible animals, and in some places, they have to shoot them out of helicopters just to control the population.

00:17:02.000 For people in America, it's unheard of.

00:17:05.000 How could you do that?

00:17:06.000 That's like an elk, like a majestic animal. 1.00

00:17:09.000 You're going to shoot them out of helicopters and just leave them there to die. 1.00

00:17:11.000 It's way different. 1.00

00:17:13.000 There's just not enough hunters.

00:17:15.000 Because in all of Australia, they say there's as many people as are in the LA area here in the whole country.

00:17:23.000 New Zealand says it was...

00:17:26.000 Okay, the first European explorer to sight New Zealand was Abel Janzoon, Tasman on the 13th of December in 1642, but that's obviously just a European. 0.91

00:17:41.000 People have been there for a long fucking time. 0.90

00:17:43.000 Oh, yeah. 0.98

00:17:44.000 And Australia was 1788. And shortly thereafter, then they started bringing in all these animals.

00:17:50.000 And the idea was that they were going to make it like a European hunting destination.

00:17:54.000 Right.

00:17:54.000 For the rich...

00:17:56.000 Douchebags.

00:17:59.000 Yeah.

00:18:00.000 Yeah.

00:18:02.000 So they released all these animals, but with no predators.

00:18:05.000 Right.

00:18:06.000 Yeah.

00:18:06.000 And so people were going to come over from Europe, and they were going to go to Australia and hunt.

00:18:10.000 Yeah.

00:18:10.000 The rich people.

00:18:11.000 And so I think they told me that, it seems like it was in 1985, they were going to wipe out all the buffalo, and they had some money funded for it, and they were going to try to get rid of them.

00:18:23.000 And they got halfway through and quit.

00:18:27.000 They killed like half of them?

00:18:28.000 Something like that, yeah.

00:18:29.000 Wow.

00:18:30.000 And then they quit.

00:18:31.000 And so now it's just, as I was saying, the whole country's about the size of the United States.

00:18:35.000 You were telling me this, but I did know that the whole country has the same amount of people as live in LA here.

00:18:42.000 So there's just not that many hunters.

00:18:43.000 You know, a small percentage of them are hunters.

00:18:45.000 So there's nobody to control all these number of non-native species.

00:18:49.000 And that's from...

00:18:50.000 From water buffalo to the fallow deer that I was hunting to stags.

00:18:55.000 There's not as many stags as fallow deer, but all these species, there's no measure for control, really.

00:19:02.000 Yeah, and they brought in a bunch of other non-native species to control. 0.83

00:19:06.000 It's an exercise in conservation gone totally wrong.

00:19:10.000 Yeah.

00:19:25.000 Yeah.

00:19:26.000 They hunt them the way, and they hold them up like, look, I got one.

00:19:29.000 Yeah, it's a cat.

00:19:31.000 Yeah, it's weird, man.

00:19:32.000 It's like, that's fluffy. 1.00

00:19:33.000 What the fuck? 0.99

00:19:34.000 Yeah, no, we saw a guy, and he had a rifle, and he's walking on the road there. 1.00

00:19:40.000 He lives there.

00:19:41.000 I mean, that's his home.

00:19:42.000 He's lived there his whole life, I think.

00:19:44.000 And he was walking on the road, and I went down there, and I had my bow, and I said, hey, what are you after?

00:19:50.000 He's like, oh, I'm after a big black cat.

00:19:54.000 And I'm like, just a regular cat?

00:19:58.000 He's like, yeah.

00:19:59.000 I said, just a feral, wild cat?

00:20:02.000 He's like, yeah, it's a black one, though. 1.00

00:20:04.000 He goes, so there's a $10 bounty on it that the property owners around there had. 0.99

00:20:08.000 If anybody could kill this black cat, it's $10. 0.90

00:20:11.000 But...

00:20:13.000 They don't think anything about it because there's just wild cats everywhere.

00:20:16.000 How weird is that?

00:20:17.000 Yeah, it is.

00:20:18.000 A bounty on a kitty cat.

00:20:20.000 Well, people that have researched it in America, just in North America, cats kill somewhere in the neighborhood of three billion birds a year.

00:20:31.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:20:32.000 Billion.

00:20:33.000 Yeah.

00:20:34.000 That...

00:20:35.000 When they found that out, like, apparently, like, scientists were shocked.

00:20:38.000 The biologists were shocked.

00:20:40.000 It's between 1.5 and 3 point something billion. 0.99

00:20:44.000 And that's not even counting, like, mice and rabbits and all the other shit they killed. 0.99

00:20:48.000 Squirrels. 0.97

00:20:49.000 I'll never forget, I had a cat that used to, um...

00:20:52.000 I used to live across the street from this park, and I had this one male cat, and he was just a murderer.

00:20:59.000 And I'll never forget watching him walk across this park with a squirrel between his legs.

00:21:06.000 So he was biting down the squirrel's neck.

00:21:08.000 The squirrel's dead, and the squirrel was his size, practically.

00:21:12.000 And it was in between his legs, so he's straddling it and walking with it, dragging it along so he could show it to me.

00:21:18.000 Good kill.

00:21:18.000 Oh, he was super psyched.

00:21:19.000 That was awesome.

00:21:20.000 He's like, dude, look what I got.

00:21:22.000 That's probably a large percentage of his weight right there he killed.

00:21:27.000 It was. 0.99

00:21:27.000 It was probably, no bullshit, at least three quarters the size of him. 0.99

00:21:31.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:21:32.000 Because he wasn't a big cat and he was a fat fucking squirrel. 0.99

00:21:34.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:21:35.000 That probably would have been a nice battle.

00:21:38.000 It's just weird.

00:21:39.000 A cat versus squirrel.

00:21:40.000 Cats are the weirdest animals, man.

00:21:42.000 Yeah. 0.88

00:21:42.000 Because they're cool with us, but they're straight killers. 0.88

00:21:45.000 I know, but the only story I remember about a cat, I can't remember where I heard it or who told me, but that...

00:21:51.000 Oh, maybe he was one of my cop friends.

00:21:53.000 But anyway, if an old, say it's an elderly person that has a dog, they die. 0.82

00:22:00.000 The dog is, the people come and find the body, and the dog's laying there with them, you know, just like a loyal whatever.

00:22:07.000 And if a cat, if they have a cat and they die, the cat eats their eyelids and lips.

00:22:13.000 Yeah, right away.

00:22:14.000 If you stop feeding that cat, the cat's like, look, I'm eating.

00:22:17.000 Yeah. 0.80

00:22:18.000 You look like meat. 0.96

00:22:19.000 And it eats its owner. 0.70

00:22:19.000 Yeah. 0.70

00:22:20.000 So that's really all you need to know about a cat.

00:22:22.000 They eat each other, too.

00:22:24.000 Like crazy old people, there's this one lady who was a hoarder, and she had a bunch of dead cats. 1.00

00:22:29.000 She had so many cats in her house, and the cats had died, and so she wasn't feeding the cats.

00:22:34.000 Yeah.

00:22:34.000 The cats were eating the dead cat.

00:22:36.000 Man.

00:22:37.000 Woo! 0.99

00:22:37.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:22:38.000 It's hard out there.

00:22:39.000 No.

00:22:39.000 It's hard out there, Cameron Haynes.

00:22:41.000 I know.

00:22:41.000 Imagine being a cat.

00:22:42.000 You're living with a hoarder. 1.00

00:22:43.000 You're like, this bitch doesn't even let me go out. 1.00

00:22:44.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:22:45.000 Like, let me out.

00:22:45.000 I'll go kill some birds.

00:22:46.000 Oh, yeah. 0.96

00:22:48.000 Animals just want to be out and live.

00:22:50.000 That's what we need to...

00:22:51.000 We need to be out and live.

00:22:52.000 I mean, that two and a half weeks I was in Australia, that was...

00:22:56.000 Man, I took two showers the whole time.

00:22:59.000 Lived in a sleeping bag.

00:23:00.000 You must have smelled good.

00:23:02.000 Hey, that's just how it goes.

00:23:04.000 Yeah.

00:23:05.000 That's what people are supposed to smell like.

00:23:07.000 We couldn't even tell.

00:23:08.000 We were just used to it.

00:23:11.000 For the viewers, I'm a clean person.

00:23:14.000 I take a couple showers a day, but when you're hunting, that's just the way it goes sometimes.

00:23:19.000 Were you wearing wool?

00:23:20.000 No.

00:23:21.000 No, it was warm.

00:23:22.000 Oh, right.

00:23:23.000 Warm, warm.

00:23:23.000 But a thin layer of merino actually keeps it cool because you're sweating it and it regulates heat really well.

00:23:29.000 Yeah, where we were hunting deer in New South Wales, which is outside of Sydney, it was actually cold at night.

00:23:36.000 Yeah, I saw you guys were walking on frozen grass.

00:23:39.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:23:40.000 The grass was covered with frost.

00:23:42.000 But at night it was freezing.

00:23:44.000 It was like 32 degrees.

00:23:46.000 We thought we were going to be hunting in 90 to 100 degree weather.

00:23:50.000 So yeah, it didn't When you're laying in a sleeping bag that's only rated to 40 degrees and it's 32 and sleeping on the ground, it's...

00:23:58.000 That's rough.

00:23:59.000 It's rough.

00:24:00.000 You were saying that those deer were super turned on, too.

00:24:04.000 They were tuned in.

00:24:05.000 Yeah.

00:24:05.000 They were on edge.

00:24:07.000 They've been hunted.

00:24:09.000 They don't have lions like we have here which keep the deer on edge because lions are just killers.

00:24:18.000 They don't have a predator like that, but man...

00:24:22.000 They're an antelope species. 0.54

00:24:26.000 They can see so well and so fast reacting.

00:24:30.000 It's just amazing.

00:24:32.000 This is a fallow deer, right?

00:24:34.000 Yeah.

00:24:34.000 And what are they related to?

00:24:37.000 I just said it right there.

00:24:38.000 You said an antelope?

00:24:40.000 I'm not sure.

00:24:40.000 Once I said it, I'm like, are they?

00:24:44.000 So don't quote me on that.

00:24:46.000 We might have to look that one up, too.

00:24:47.000 But all I know is the reason why I said that is because they can see.

00:24:51.000 I mean, antelope are notorious for having amazing vision, you know, 10 times what humans have, apparently.

00:24:56.000 And that's how these were.

00:24:58.000 I mean, I don't know if the deer, antelope, or whatever, but they can see extremely well.

00:25:02.000 So they were seeing you from, like, a long ways out.

00:25:05.000 Oh, you couldn't.

00:25:06.000 I mean, there was this one buck I was stalking.

00:25:08.000 I had a cameraman with me.

00:25:11.000 And the key for stalking animals is always staying in the shade.

00:25:16.000 If you stay in the shade and you got camo on, especially if they're in the sun, you know how it is looking into...

00:25:23.000 If you're in the sun, you try to look into a house, you can't see.

00:25:26.000 So it's the same thing with shadows.

00:25:28.000 So you always want to be a shadow.

00:25:29.000 Well, we were 330 yards away from this buck I was stalking.

00:25:33.000 He was feeding in this creek.

00:25:35.000 And we had this small patch of sunlight to cross.

00:25:39.000 330 yards away.

00:25:40.000 It's a long way away.

00:25:41.000 And I told the cameraman, I'm like, we just got to get across here.

00:25:45.000 Just stay low and hustle through there.

00:25:49.000 So we hunched over and in seconds we were through there.

00:25:53.000 Got to the shade, looked over at the buck.

00:25:56.000 He's standing there staring.

00:25:57.000 I'm like, are you kidding me?

00:26:01.000 We're in the shade, so then for sure we weren't moving.

00:26:04.000 I'm like, don't move.

00:26:05.000 And he's just staring, staring, staring, staring.

00:26:08.000 And I'm like, don't move.

00:26:09.000 He's like, I'm not.

00:26:10.000 I go, don't move.

00:26:12.000 He's just looking.

00:26:14.000 Anything is going to spook him.

00:26:15.000 He's like, I'm not moving.

00:26:16.000 And he was crouched down on his knees.

00:26:19.000 And so finally the buck took a few bites of grass and I'm like, okay, he's feeding.

00:26:29.000 Next thing, gone.

00:26:30.000 So all he did is took a couple bites of grass for the road.

00:26:33.000 He's like, no, I already know I'm out of here, but I'm taking this with me.

00:26:37.000 And he was gone.

00:26:38.000 That was it.

00:26:39.000 Yeah, they're smart.

00:26:41.000 That's long rifle range.

00:26:42.000 We had bows, and it's just barely this...

00:26:44.000 And we have to get close with a bow.

00:26:47.000 And so you can imagine if that one example tells you what it was like, basically.

00:26:53.000 So we were talking about different bow setups.

00:26:57.000 Like, you had brought two bow setups.

00:26:59.000 You brought one for deer, and you brought one for buffalo.

00:27:02.000 So for people that...

00:27:04.000 Don't understand.

00:27:05.000 There's two different ways that you were going to approach this.

00:27:08.000 The buffalo is a giant, heavy-boned animal, so you had a real heavy arrow, which is going to go slower.

00:27:15.000 And those arrows are just too slow for those deer.

00:27:17.000 And the deer would actually move out of the way before the arrow got to them.

00:27:21.000 Yeah, like Matrix.

00:27:23.000 It was, you know, the thing with penetration with an arrow is weight.

00:27:29.000 The weight of the arrow equates to more penetration with heavy bone.

00:27:34.000 And, you know, we talked about the buffalo 1800 to 2000 pounds.

00:27:37.000 So you need something that hits hard.

00:27:40.000 Well, when you have a heavier arrow, it's going to fly slower.

00:27:44.000 So those are flying at 245 feet a second out of my high poundage bow.

00:27:48.000 And I thought, well, Good enough.

00:27:51.000 I mean, these will be alright.

00:27:53.000 I was shooting it so well.

00:27:55.000 I'm so accurate.

00:27:56.000 You know, I'm practicing out to 90 yards all the time.

00:27:57.000 I'm shooting really well.

00:27:59.000 So I thought, you know what?

00:28:00.000 I know it's supposed to be for buffalo.

00:28:01.000 I'm just going to use it for deer.

00:28:03.000 So the first week there, I tried it for deer, and it was just like, these deer were seemingly 10 yards away by the time the arrow got to them.

00:28:10.000 And I'm not talking long shots.

00:28:12.000 And I'm like, okay, maybe it's just a fluke.

00:28:14.000 Just a fluke.

00:28:15.000 So they would see it.

00:28:16.000 Hear it.

00:28:17.000 They would hear it, and they would duck out of the way.

00:28:20.000 Or just be gone.

00:28:21.000 I mean, just like be 10 yards away.

00:28:22.000 So they would move out of the way before the arrow got to them.

00:28:25.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:28:26.000 And so finally, I thought, well, maybe it's just...

00:28:30.000 And it was super calm there.

00:28:32.000 So, so quiet.

00:28:33.000 You know, I don't know.

00:28:34.000 My bows are quiet.

00:28:35.000 A heavy arrow makes a bow even quieter.

00:28:37.000 You know, it absorbs that sound.

00:28:39.000 And the energy.

00:28:40.000 So your limbs are just... 0.98

00:28:42.000 Like that.

00:28:43.000 It's more of like...

00:28:44.000 But it still makes a noise on a super calm, windless day.

00:28:49.000 Especially when it's cold, you know, I mean, it's just that sounds going to get across there.

00:28:53.000 So I thought, well, maybe just a fluke, maybe the deer were pick something up, pick up some movement.

00:28:59.000 So they were just on me and just whatever.

00:29:01.000 I'm not worried about it.

00:29:02.000 You know, I'm not used to missing.

00:29:04.000 I'm used to being very disciplined on my shots and taking high percentage shots at relaxed animals.

00:29:11.000 If I do do my stock right, my goal is always to shoot an animal That has no idea I'm there, you know, so it's relaxed.

00:29:21.000 And so that wasn't happening here.

00:29:24.000 And I thought, well, maybe it's just because they're high-strung and they were on me.

00:29:28.000 So the time where I decided, okay, these arrows aren't going to work, was a wild boar was out there.

00:29:37.000 Big boar, 45 yards.

00:29:40.000 Okay, this should be slam dunk money.

00:29:43.000 Okay.

00:29:45.000 Camera over my shoulder.

00:29:47.000 He had no idea we were there.

00:29:48.000 Draw back, shoot, and he was facing his head to the left, and he was heading back to the right, probably a few feet away by the time the arrow got there.

00:30:00.000 I didn't even have to even...

00:30:02.000 I shot and went, oh my, are you kidding me?

00:30:04.000 He's gone that fast.

00:30:06.000 Spun and just gone.

00:30:08.000 At that time, I'm like, okay, this is not going to work.

00:30:11.000 It's so crazy because although there's no predators there, the hunters that are there are out there all the time.

00:30:18.000 They don't have a season.

00:30:20.000 No, there's no season.

00:30:21.000 These animals are just tuned in.

00:30:23.000 They're hunted every day.

00:30:24.000 Wow.

00:30:24.000 Yeah.

00:30:25.000 And so, and mostly rifle.

00:30:27.000 So, I mean, they're used to, if they see somebody, that's like a danger because they've been shot at from, you know, hundreds of yards.

00:30:36.000 So, it's just, yeah, it was challenging.

00:30:40.000 But so, I changed from those...

00:30:43.000 245 grain arrows.

00:30:45.000 And I thought, well, I need to shoot my, or not 245, 245 feet per second, that 687 grain arrow to a lighter arrow.

00:30:53.000 And I thought, well, maybe this will do it.

00:30:55.000 And, you know, is it shooting 300 feet per second at that time?

00:30:59.000 Did you change broadheads?

00:31:00.000 Yep.

00:31:01.000 Did you go to the trocar?

00:31:02.000 No.

00:31:03.000 Did you step with the solids?

00:31:04.000 No.

00:31:05.000 I shot with a buffalo.

00:31:08.000 And actually, you know, it's funny.

00:31:10.000 Actually, what I ended up killing the deer with, too, was, what were they?

00:31:15.000 Magna Stingers.

00:31:18.000 But I had that expandable head.

00:31:21.000 Do you remember that one that I used on the bear?

00:31:23.000 Yeah.

00:31:23.000 It was a...

00:31:24.000 Gravedigger? 0.92

00:31:25.000 Gravedigger. 0.99

00:31:26.000 Yeah.

00:31:27.000 What a ruthless name.

00:31:28.000 That head.

00:31:29.000 And that head flies so good.

00:31:32.000 I owe his money.

00:31:33.000 So you use that as well?

00:31:34.000 Yep.

00:31:35.000 So when you're out there, man, like, so you're around Sydney, which is where people are.

00:31:42.000 Those animals are hunted pretty regularly.

00:31:45.000 But then you're taking that flight for four and a half hours and then the helicopter.

00:31:49.000 And when you're in the area where the buffalo are, there's nobody out there.

00:31:53.000 No, no.

00:31:54.000 It's remote.

00:31:55.000 That is a wild, wild place.

00:31:57.000 Yeah.

00:31:57.000 When you think about the size of Australia, the size of North America with the same amount of people as Los Angeles, but the area where you're at, it's like, that is as wild as it gets.

00:32:08.000 Yeah.

00:32:09.000 I mean, you fly those four and a half hours from Sydney to Darwin, and most of that, you're looking down at country with nothing.

00:32:16.000 Nothing.

00:32:17.000 No roads, no nothing.

00:32:20.000 Wow.

00:32:20.000 And that's a large majority of Australia is like that.

00:32:24.000 And it's just overrun with Buffalo.

00:32:27.000 Yeah, a lot of it is, yep.

00:32:29.000 What a crazy place.

00:32:31.000 Yeah, and we did find some drawings up there, too, from the, yeah, I mean, old.

00:32:40.000 From the natives. 1.00

00:32:41.000 Yeah, from the Aborigines. 0.95

00:32:43.000 And did you know that those were there before you went there?

00:32:46.000 Did Adam know that they were there?

00:32:47.000 The pilot knew.

00:32:48.000 The pilot knew.

00:32:49.000 Yeah, so we wanted to go see them.

00:32:50.000 Oh, wow.

00:32:51.000 So are they in a cave?

00:32:55.000 For the weather not to get to them, it has to be on the underside of a rock.

00:32:59.000 So where we went and we filmed under there, you could imagine people getting out of the rain there and their huge boulders.

00:33:08.000 And it's just a perfect spot to stay dry.

00:33:12.000 If they drew on a part of the rock where the rain was hitting, obviously it was gone.

00:33:17.000 But in these areas, they were protected, so the drawings were still there.

00:33:21.000 Last time Adam was here, he talked about some of the Aborigines there and explained some stuff.

00:33:27.000 But when we went back to my house, we had dinner and we sat around talking.

00:33:31.000 He told me some crazy stories about the horrors that those people faced and how they had been wiped out, like they had been poisoned.

00:33:39.000 He went to this one cave and he found bones all through this cave.

00:33:43.000 He's like, this is crazy.

00:33:45.000 There's human bones.

00:33:46.000 And he's like, children's bones.

00:33:48.000 He defined children's bones.

00:33:49.000 And then he had heard this story from one of the other Aborigines that lived there that someone had brought food to all these people, all the Aborigines there, and just poisoned the food and just killed them all off. 0.99

00:34:02.000 Yeah, it's fucking dark, man. 0.99

00:34:04.000 It's dark. 0.99

00:34:05.000 No, I don't know.

00:34:07.000 So they don't know who made those hieroglyphs or the cave drawings or whatever they were, or when they did it either?

00:34:14.000 No.

00:34:15.000 No, they say...

00:34:17.000 I put it up on my Instagram page, and I saw some comments there, and they're saying that the more brightly colored, the older they are.

00:34:25.000 Huh.

00:34:26.000 But I don't know.

00:34:27.000 I think the pilot mentioned 10,000 years old, maybe.

00:34:32.000 I was just guessing. 0.98

00:34:33.000 How the fuck does he know? 0.99

00:34:34.000 I have no idea. 0.99

00:34:35.000 How would you know?

00:34:36.000 I think you just threw that out there.

00:34:37.000 Yeah, how would you know?

00:34:38.000 I mean, it's just...

00:34:39.000 I'm sure somebody knows.

00:34:41.000 Yeah.

00:34:42.000 I mean, right, that studies that?

00:34:43.000 I'm sure there's probably a few people.

00:34:45.000 But it seems like when you think about the actual numbers of how much land you're talking about, how few people live out there, and how many of those things are probably there.

00:34:53.000 And also, one of the things that Adam was telling me that's crazy is you could have the way they refer to themselves, like Aborigines, they call themselves a mob. 0.58

00:35:03.000 Like, you know, instead of a tribe, it's a mob.

00:35:05.000 And they're like, there could be one mob.

00:35:07.000 And he said, there could be a mob.

00:35:09.000 He goes, four kilometers away, and they speak a totally different language.

00:35:12.000 Oh, right, yeah.

00:35:13.000 Like, what?

00:35:14.000 I go, how many languages are there?

00:35:15.000 He goes, oh, hundreds.

00:35:16.000 Yeah.

00:35:17.000 What?

00:35:17.000 Yeah.

00:35:18.000 Hundreds.

00:35:19.000 I go, so they can't talk to each other.

00:35:20.000 He goes, nope.

00:35:21.000 Yeah.

00:35:21.000 No written language.

00:35:22.000 Yeah.

00:35:23.000 They have different expressions for things.

00:35:26.000 Yeah.

00:35:26.000 Yeah, I heard that, too.

00:35:28.000 That's crazy.

00:35:29.000 I know.

00:35:30.000 I mean, it's really...

00:35:32.000 I think it's like a tribal society, right?

00:35:33.000 Sure.

00:35:33.000 I mean, that's just the way it goes.

00:35:35.000 Well, it is like a tribal society, but it's also like you're... 0.85

00:35:39.000 I mean, right now, there's culture and there's civilization that is linked to who knows how many hundreds, if not thousands of years ago, and it will go away because there won't be people that understand it.

00:35:53.000 There's not someone who's studying it.

00:35:55.000 Yeah.

00:35:56.000 And there's so many different versions of the way they communicate that it's just like you're literally watching history dissolve right in front of you.

00:36:03.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:36:04.000 I know.

00:36:05.000 It was amazing to be in that country walking and hunting in the same that they have for, you know, however many years.

00:36:14.000 And what did they hunt back then?

00:36:16.000 Because this is obviously before the buffalo came in, before they brought the fallow deer.

00:36:19.000 I don't know.

00:36:20.000 Just whatever wallabies are.

00:36:22.000 Probably. 1.00

00:36:22.000 Wallabies are a native thing, kangaroos and shit. 1.00

00:36:24.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

00:36:26.000 Wow.

00:36:26.000 Yeah, but it was cool being under that rock and envisioning them being there too, you know, that long ago, doing the same thing we were doing.

00:36:38.000 That's a real mind-blower, man. 0.99

00:36:41.000 It's just so fascinating thinking about that particular continent of Australia that, you know, Europe used it as a prison colony and England brought a bunch of people over there and go, look, you people are assholes. 1.00

00:36:53.000 Stay here. 0.97

00:36:54.000 There's an island off of Australia, right, that they used for that.

00:36:59.000 Well, they used Australia for that.

00:37:00.000 I thought...

00:37:02.000 God, what was that island?

00:37:04.000 It's probably an island as well that they still do.

00:37:06.000 I think that's what they take immigrants. 0.99

00:37:08.000 Right, right.

00:37:08.000 And they have to live there for a certain amount of time before they can come over.

00:37:12.000 Yeah, they have some weird immigration laws in Australia.

00:37:16.000 Like, if people that are complaining about Trump wanting to build a wall, listen, Australia is way worse.

00:37:21.000 And it's like a prison.

00:37:23.000 If I understand it right, it's like a prison.

00:37:26.000 And they have to stay there for, like I said, a certain amount of time before they're Yeah, see if you can find that, Jimmy.

00:37:32.000 Josh Zeps actually brought it up to us, and he was explaining how brutal the immigration laws are over there.

00:37:38.000 They don't want anybody moving to Australia.

00:37:40.000 They understand they have a good thing going on.

00:37:42.000 I mean, if you haven't been to Australia, it is lovely.

00:37:46.000 The people there are fantastic.

00:37:47.000 They're super friendly.

00:37:49.000 They're really nice.

00:37:50.000 And again, there's not that many of them.

00:37:52.000 No.

00:37:53.000 It's expensive, though.

00:37:54.000 Yeah.

00:37:55.000 Very, you know, I mean, there was a, Eamon, he, I think his house was like a two-bedroom house and four or five hundred thousand dollars.

00:38:04.000 Wow.

00:38:05.000 Yeah.

00:38:06.000 Yeah.

00:38:06.000 Makes sense, though.

00:38:07.000 You gotta bring shit over there, right? 0.99

00:38:09.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:38:09.000 Like, they were saying, the guy, when I was in Sydney, the guy who was driving us was telling us how much cars cost over there. 0.99

00:38:16.000 They cost so much more money.

00:38:17.000 Yeah, especially like people like classic American muscle cars and the guy was talking about how much like a 1968 Mustang was worth.

00:38:25.000 Yeah, and he's like it's probably worth twice what it's worth in America.

00:38:28.000 Really?

00:38:28.000 Yeah, because they have to ship them over there.

00:38:30.000 What they have over there which is sweet was the Toyota Hilux diesel trucks.

00:38:36.000 Those are pretty sweet.

00:38:37.000 What is it?

00:38:38.000 It's just a Toyota...

00:38:40.000 Like a Tundra?

00:38:40.000 Is it like a Tundra?

00:38:41.000 It's like a...

00:38:42.000 They call it a ute.

00:38:44.000 A ute?

00:38:44.000 That's a pickup.

00:38:45.000 Oh, like a utility vehicle?

00:38:47.000 I don't know.

00:38:47.000 Yeah.

00:38:48.000 I don't know.

00:38:49.000 I'm just trying to learn the lingo.

00:38:51.000 But a ute is a pickup.

00:38:52.000 And it is a Toyota Hilux Diesel.

00:38:56.000 And is this what Adam was driving around in?

00:38:58.000 No.

00:38:59.000 I can't remember what his is.

00:39:00.000 There it is right there, huh?

00:39:02.000 Yeah.

00:39:03.000 That's a...

00:39:03.000 Okay, so it's like a flatbed.

00:39:06.000 Yeah.

00:39:06.000 Hmm.

00:39:07.000 I'm not sure what Adam...

00:39:08.000 Maybe Adam has that.

00:39:09.000 I can't remember now.

00:39:10.000 One of the things I thought was weird when I was there was how many people have snorkels on their trucks.

00:39:14.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:39:15.000 That one right there.

00:39:15.000 Yeah.

00:39:16.000 That's driving through water.

00:39:17.000 Well, it's not just water.

00:39:19.000 It's also dust.

00:39:20.000 Oh, really?

00:39:20.000 They were explaining to me that dust chokes up your air filters.

00:39:23.000 Yeah.

00:39:23.000 That makes sense.

00:39:26.000 So that when the engine's getting the air, apparently it mitigates a lot of the dust because a lot of the dust is headlight high when you're driving, and that gets you a little bit more clear air up there.

00:39:38.000 Well, that's out of my wheelhouse.

00:39:39.000 I know bow hunting and riding.

00:39:42.000 Well, you knew the name of it.

00:39:44.000 No, I just noticed because they're cool. 0.96

00:39:46.000 Well, whenever you go to, like, Africa, or whenever you go someplace that's fucking brutal, you see a lot of Toyotas. 0.91

00:39:52.000 Yeah. 0.95

00:39:53.000 Toyotas, they know how to make a car that lasts.

00:39:55.000 They do.

00:39:56.000 They do.

00:39:56.000 But they're not...

00:39:57.000 I mean, here, it's just like, you know...

00:40:00.000 Ford, Chevy, you know, I don't know.

00:40:02.000 Because we like American stuff.

00:40:04.000 I guess so, yeah.

00:40:05.000 But still, you still see a lot of, like, old Land Cruisers.

00:40:07.000 Yeah.

00:40:08.000 I mean, how many FJ Land Cruisers do you see?

00:40:10.000 There, where we were in the Outback, driving around, everybody has those.

00:40:15.000 Yeah.

00:40:15.000 Every person has a truck set up like that.

00:40:18.000 Well, I guess you have to.

00:40:20.000 Yeah.

00:40:20.000 If you realize, after time, like, this is the only thing that makes it.

00:40:24.000 Yeah, because Adam was saying, when he drives from...

00:40:27.000 Sid needed Darwin.

00:40:28.000 We took a four and a half hour plane flight, but it's three days.

00:40:32.000 So your rig has to be...

00:40:35.000 Bulletproof.

00:40:36.000 Yeah, basically.

00:40:37.000 Yeah, they have an expression.

00:40:39.000 You could take a Range Rover into the bush, but you need a Land Rover to get out of the bush.

00:40:43.000 Is that right?

00:40:44.000 Yeah.

00:40:44.000 Okay.

00:40:45.000 Yeah, they just, those Toyotas, it's just, it's kind of crazy how well they last. 0.93

00:40:52.000 You know, when you really think about, like for the longest time, America did a real shit job of making cars that last.

00:40:58.000 There was a period in American cars from like the 1970s till, I think till probably like the late 90s to 2000, they finally got it right.

00:41:07.000 And now we make very dependable cars as well.

00:41:10.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:41:10.000 For the longest time, we were making dog shit. 1.00

00:41:13.000 Well, I don't know about all that, but I do know we're going to go up and do that hunt. 0.98

00:41:19.000 Me, you, and Adam, and we're going to do a Netflix special.

00:41:24.000 That's the plan.

00:41:26.000 Netflix doesn't know this yet.

00:41:27.000 Why Netflix?

00:41:29.000 I don't know.

00:41:30.000 What should we do it?

00:41:31.000 Well, it's a good move.

00:41:32.000 It's a good move.

00:41:33.000 Doing something on the internet.

00:41:34.000 Yeah, I want it to be like an hour-long documentary-style hunting film, giving back, you know, killing buffalo, taking the meat back to the community.

00:41:45.000 To the natives?

00:41:46.000 Yeah.

00:41:47.000 To Aborigines? 0.82

00:41:48.000 Yeah, that's what I envision.

00:41:49.000 That sounds like a great idea.

00:41:50.000 It could be, certainly, it could be done on Netflix or it could be done and you just put it online.

00:41:56.000 Yeah.

00:41:56.000 That could be just as, I mean, Netflix is awesome for sure, but there's some people that don't have Netflix.

00:42:02.000 Everybody has an online connection.

00:42:05.000 Yeah, my My goal is to sort of use you because I want hunting to be shown in the light that I know it to be, which is hard work, respect for the country and the animals,

00:42:21.000 and giving back.

00:42:23.000 So with you involved, more people care about it, right?

00:42:27.000 And we want to have you involved because we like hanging out with you.

00:42:31.000 Well, I was explaining this to Adam, too.

00:42:34.000 When we did my podcast up there in the bush is like ever since I've hunted way back when Roy moved to Alaska and I was left hunting the wilderness on my own.

00:42:46.000 I loved it so much, I kept wanting to find somebody who would love it as much as I could say, look how awesome this is.

00:42:54.000 Isn't this awesome?

00:42:55.000 And I kept taking people there and trying to convince them how awesome it was.

00:42:59.000 It wasn't awesome for them.

00:43:01.000 So it was like, but you want to share something that impacts you so much with other people who appreciate it.

00:43:09.000 So that's why That's what I was saying when Adam and I were talking is that, you know, you love bow hunting.

00:43:17.000 And so when you are so interested and invested in something and have such a passion for something, there's nothing better than when somebody else shares that passion.

00:43:26.000 Right?

00:43:26.000 Yeah.

00:43:27.000 So that was why there's a few different reasons why you can be involved.

00:43:32.000 Thank you.

00:43:32.000 I'm excited about that.

00:43:33.000 But I also think the difficulty factor is what turns people off.

00:43:38.000 I don't think they expect it to be so difficult.

00:43:40.000 No, no, no.

00:43:41.000 If you try to introduce bow hunting to people, first of all, Just shooting a bow, people think, oh, you pull the string back, you point at the spot, you let it go.

00:43:49.000 Good luck with all that. 0.99

00:43:50.000 It takes fucking years. 1.00

00:43:51.000 It takes years to get competent with a bow. 1.00

00:43:54.000 And I remember when you first started showing me how to shoot when we first shot in my backyard.

00:44:01.000 And I immediately recognized, I think, like, after, first of all, you had a 90-pound bow, which I definitely shouldn't have been pulling back. 0.95

00:44:09.000 My shoulder was fucking killing me after the first hour. 0.89

00:44:12.000 I was like, oh! 0.97

00:44:13.000 Like, this takes... 0.99

00:44:14.000 You gotta build up to this goddamn thing. 0.99

00:44:16.000 But then I remember thinking, like, to be accurate with this, like, I just went down a rabbit hole. 0.99

00:44:22.000 Yeah.

00:44:22.000 I'm like, I just took my first step down a crazy rabbit hole, and who knows where it leads, because this is not easy.

00:44:28.000 No.

00:44:29.000 And I have a very addictive personality.

00:44:31.000 Yeah.

00:44:32.000 And I need to figure out ways to channel that addiction in positive ways, because I can get lost doing things that are not good.

00:44:40.000 Yeah.

00:44:41.000 Bow hunting and archery itself, to me it seemed like, okay, this is a discipline, it's a worthy pursuit, it's fascinating, and I'm very, very interested in it.

00:44:50.000 But for a lot of people, I think it's very daunting.

00:44:54.000 I don't think they realize it.

00:44:56.000 People think of hunting as Elmer Fudd.

00:44:58.000 You go out there or they see some hunting scene in a movie where there's a bunch of rednecks and they're fat and they're sitting in a tree stand or something like that, and they think it's easy. 1.00

00:45:09.000 They think it's a bunch of people that are just killing animals and they don't care and then When you actually go out and do it, especially if you go do it with a person like you, you understand what this thing really is. 0.99

00:45:20.000 And what it really is, is this incredibly difficult pursuit that takes immense amounts of hard work and dedication, and you gotta be in fucking shape for it. 0.98

00:45:30.000 Yeah. 0.92

00:45:31.000 And this is something that people are starting to realize now.

00:45:34.000 Right.

00:45:34.000 And I think you're a big part of this.

00:45:36.000 And over the last few years, and all the platforms that you've gone on to tell your story, is that people understand that Big game hunting in the West, in the Western-style hunting, elk and mule deer, the type of stuff that you love to do, is very,

00:45:51.000 very difficult.

00:45:53.000 It is a combination of athletics, of extreme endurance, of hiking, outdoorsmanship, survival skills, and then the knowledge of hunting, and then you have to be a good shot on top of all that.

00:46:06.000 You have to know archery.

00:46:07.000 Yeah, then you have to be able to keep, you know, when that adrenaline hits, when all of a sudden...

00:46:12.000 And that's what's hard is people have invested so much into it and they've been thinking about the crunch time for so long that when it happens, it's too much.

00:46:22.000 And so it's really hard.

00:46:25.000 When you've been thinking about something for years, potentially, or at least all year, you know, that, oh, here's my chance, here's my chance, and then you get it and you're not ready.

00:46:34.000 Yeah.

00:46:34.000 Because it's just too much to...

00:46:36.000 It's so hard to stay calm.

00:46:38.000 Well, it's also something that you need to do a bunch of times until you understand it.

00:46:42.000 Yeah.

00:46:42.000 It's like, I try to explain to people about...

00:46:45.000 We were talking about fighting earlier.

00:46:47.000 We were talking about...

00:46:49.000 If someone has never fought before and never competed before, the scary thing is not really...

00:46:55.000 What's nerve-wracking is not the actual fighting itself.

00:46:59.000 Once the fighting starts, you're actually kind of just in the zone and you're just doing it.

00:47:05.000 I mean, you might be intimidated, especially if you're fighting a guy like Mike Tyson or Anderson Silva or something like that.

00:47:09.000 You're going to be shitting your pants.

00:47:10.000 But the real terrifying stuff is the build-up, the lead-up.

00:47:14.000 And that's kind of the same thing with hunting.

00:47:17.000 It's the moment before the shot.

00:47:20.000 It's your adrenaline is pumping.

00:47:22.000 It's like if you had to shoot an eight ball across the table, long shot, and your life was on the line.

00:47:29.000 It's almost like that.

00:47:30.000 And you don't get any warm-up shots.

00:47:32.000 There's no warm-up shots.

00:47:33.000 It's just all of a sudden, here's this one shot for all the marbles, and you got to stay calm.

00:47:38.000 Oh, and the animal might be moving.

00:47:39.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:47:40.000 Like, oh, well, fuck. 1.00

00:47:41.000 No, I was saying that on this last hunt. 1.00

00:47:44.000 We had me, Adam, and Remy Warren.

00:47:49.000 And supposedly, we're supposed to be pretty good hunters.

00:47:52.000 The best of the best.

00:47:53.000 And we were struggling to get something killed.

00:47:56.000 And I was just like, imagine how frustrating this would be for somebody...

00:48:01.000 A new hunter.

00:48:02.000 I mean, it's no wonder people try to bow hunt and then just be like, are you kidding me?

00:48:07.000 This is impossible.

00:48:09.000 But it's that challenge.

00:48:12.000 Anyway, it's that whole journey, which is why I want to do that special.

00:48:16.000 And I want to share all that's positive about hunting.

00:48:21.000 To as many people as...

00:48:22.000 And we are reaching new people these days.

00:48:25.000 Hunting, it's in the crosshairs in some...

00:48:32.000 I mean, I went to an archery shop up there, Benson's Archery in Sydney, and we just had a few hours notice saying, hey, Adam and I are going to stop by, swing by, and quite a few people came.

00:48:48.000 I mean, it was surprising how many people showed up, but a lot of them We're vegetarians, you know, six months ago, listened to your show.

00:48:57.000 A lot of people told me, oh, I found out about you from Joe Rogan, or I didn't hunt, or I didn't even eat meat.

00:49:03.000 And all these different stories, all these different from all these different areas.

00:49:07.000 So we are reaching new people.

00:49:09.000 And I want to make sure our message The one of respect and reverence and appreciation for everything out there and for survival and for just, you know, life outside of the city.

00:49:22.000 I want that shown in a way that I know we would.

00:49:26.000 And so that's why I selfishly want this to be a big thing just because I'm sick of hunting, you know, the Elmer Fudd thing.

00:49:35.000 You know, I was watching a movie the other day And they showed a hunter, and the girl was on there, and she was...

00:49:44.000 Oh, what was that?

00:49:45.000 There's three girls that were kidnapped, and one of them had hunted as a younger girl.

00:49:50.000 And so she was like...

00:49:51.000 Do you know what movie that is?

00:49:54.000 Anyway, so she had the upper hand.

00:49:56.000 She was tougher, and she was more prepared because she had been a hunter.

00:49:59.000 And I'm like, oh, that's cool. 0.96

00:50:00.000 But then they show her as a little girl hunting, and her perverted uncle had molested her. 0.96

00:50:07.000 Oh, jeez. 0.97

00:50:07.000 Hunting. 0.97

00:50:08.000 Yeah.

00:50:08.000 Drinking beer.

00:50:09.000 Oh God.

00:50:10.000 This is the movie Split.

00:50:11.000 Split, yeah.

00:50:13.000 Oh.

00:50:13.000 That's what it was.

00:50:14.000 So the hunter in there was some child molester.

00:50:18.000 I'm like, why?

00:50:20.000 It's the most misunderstood and misrepresented discipline, I think, that we have here in America.

00:50:27.000 And it's so confusing to people.

00:50:30.000 Because when we think of food, we think of restaurants and we think of supermarkets.

00:50:36.000 We don't think of wild animals.

00:50:39.000 The connection that people feel like they don't have with their food is one thing that comes up all the time lately.

00:50:46.000 So people are constantly looking for these farm-to-table places.

00:50:50.000 There's a farm-to-table place out here called Peddler's Fork.

00:50:55.000 It's a really good place.

00:50:56.000 They have great eggs.

00:50:57.000 You get the eggs, they're real dark yolk.

00:51:00.000 The food is all grass-fed beef from a farm that they have a connection to, and they buy the meat from the farm.

00:51:05.000 There's a lot of that, these farm-to-table places where these restaurants have a great relationship with the people that actually grow the food.

00:51:13.000 So everything's organic.

00:51:14.000 They know where it comes from.

00:51:16.000 And people are super connected to that.

00:51:18.000 They love the idea of that because factory farming is kind of freaking people out.

00:51:22.000 And for the longest time, it was happening without us knowing.

00:51:26.000 You know, I think during the 80s and the 90s, it was all going on and no one understood it.

00:51:31.000 Right, yeah.

00:51:31.000 So now people are becoming more aware because of the internet, because of information, and they're becoming more aware of where their food comes from.

00:51:39.000 And you're also seeing a higher number of people that their response to this factory farming thing is, well, hey, I'll go vegetarian or, hey, I'll go vegan.

00:51:49.000 Yeah.

00:51:49.000 Before I hunted with Rinella, that was my thought.

00:51:52.000 I was like, I don't want to participate in factory farming.

00:51:55.000 So what am I going to do?

00:51:56.000 I'm going to do one of two things.

00:51:58.000 I'm going to either go hunting, I'm going to hunt for my own food, because I knew there was something wrong.

00:52:03.000 I'm like, it's too easy to just get a steak.

00:52:04.000 I would always pick up a steak, and I'd go, this needs to be an animal.

00:52:07.000 Here I am at the supermarket.

00:52:09.000 Now it's a styrofoam container wrapped in saran wrap. 0.99

00:52:12.000 This is fucking weird. 0.95

00:52:13.000 It's weird that you could just do this. 0.99

00:52:15.000 So my thought was, if I shoot an animal and I hate it, I didn't know how it was going to feel.

00:52:21.000 I've fished all my life.

00:52:23.000 But when I shot that deer...

00:52:25.000 And I was like, oh, I get it.

00:52:27.000 I get it.

00:52:28.000 Yeah.

00:52:28.000 I mean, it was an extreme amount of respect.

00:52:30.000 It's on video.

00:52:31.000 I mean, you can see it on media.

00:52:32.000 Yeah.

00:52:33.000 Anybody who wants to watch it, you can watch it online.

00:52:35.000 The first time I ever shot a deer.

00:52:37.000 It was intense.

00:52:38.000 Yeah.

00:52:38.000 You know?

00:52:38.000 And then cutting it up and eating it that night, I was like, well, this makes sense.

00:52:42.000 Yeah.

00:52:42.000 And then when you actually find out that these animals, the money from hunting tags and even from buying hunting gear, there's a percentage of money that goes towards conservation, and this is all very carefully thought out by people like you and by these people that really respect and care for these animals.

00:53:03.000 Yeah, and you get deeper and deeper into this and you understand what it really is and then you see this whole community of these people like yourself and Remy Warren and these hardcore hunters that are also like deeply connected to the land and Conservation and deeply appreciate these animals and this is how they get all their meat.

00:53:22.000 Yeah, this is how they live and like that was Extremely appealing to me.

00:53:27.000 Yeah, it's a I think Steve Rinella has done a great job Getting that message out in a perfect way, really.

00:53:35.000 I mean, he's a great spokesman.

00:53:37.000 I used to watch his show before Meteor.

00:53:40.000 Now I can't remember what it was called.

00:53:41.000 The Wild Within.

00:53:42.000 Is that what it was?

00:53:42.000 Yeah.

00:53:43.000 Yeah, okay.

00:53:43.000 And I remember he had just something about him that I'm like, okay, this is different.

00:53:48.000 I've been a hunter myself my whole life, but his...

00:53:53.000 His portrayal was different than what we'd seen before.

00:53:57.000 Maybe me and some of the other people you've mentioned and Adam have just carried that on and tried to do a good job of educating people who don't know any better.

00:54:11.000 I wish everybody I mean that last day we were up in the mountains there after I had killed my deer and we had a back strap so we're picking up camp getting everything away but I had I had a awesome fallow deer back strap which is like the prime for people don't as a prime cut and I cut it all I cleaned it all off every piece of Anything

00:54:42.000 that was on it, hair, if there's any tree bark, anything that was on there.

00:54:47.000 It was just a perfect, clean piece of meat.

00:54:48.000 I sliced it all up.

00:54:50.000 We got a green stick to put it on.

00:54:54.000 Skewered it on a green...

00:54:58.000 Wood.

00:54:59.000 If it's dry wood, the wood's just going to burn.

00:55:01.000 You can't cook on that, so it's got to be green.

00:55:04.000 We put it over the fire there.

00:55:06.000 We seasoned it.

00:55:08.000 It was so good.

00:55:09.000 It was probably some of the best meat I've ever eaten.

00:55:13.000 Standing around the campfire, just pulling that off that stick that we had cooked it over the open flame.

00:55:19.000 I wish everybody could know what that was like.

00:55:22.000 To know that that deer, just previous to that, was alive in the woods.

00:55:28.000 We harvested him, which is aka killed him, and then ate him.

00:55:32.000 And that circle of life, or whatever you want to call it, or just that moment, I wish everybody could experience it because I just think they'd have a different take on On hunting and hunters and being self-sustaining.

00:55:48.000 It's very different.

00:55:49.000 Meat is very different when you've killed it yourself.

00:55:51.000 It's impossible to describe without experiencing it.

00:55:53.000 I mean, I could try.

00:55:54.000 I could give it my best shot, but I'll fall short.

00:55:56.000 But I remember eating that meat that we ate when I was in Montana with Ranella, the first hunt.

00:56:02.000 And it was so delicious.

00:56:04.000 And we're cooking it over a campfire, and Steve had brought this little grill.

00:56:07.000 Not a grill, like a grate, you know, that we'd set down over the fire.

00:56:11.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:56:12.000 Adam has that deer.

00:56:13.000 And it's like, like if you buy a steak and you cook it, it's great, tastes good.

00:56:21.000 Like, oh, this is a good steak.

00:56:22.000 This is nice.

00:56:22.000 But there's no connection there.

00:56:24.000 No.

00:56:25.000 None.

00:56:25.000 When you're eating an animal that you killed yourself and it's difficult to do, and you were hard hunting for many, many days before you got that deer.

00:56:33.000 Yeah.

00:56:34.000 So there's this intense respect and connection that...

00:56:39.000 I think we all, I mean, we harp on about it so many times that people listen to these podcasts, like, Jesus Christ, you guys stop talking about how awesome hunting is?

00:56:46.000 Yeah.

00:56:47.000 It's because it's impacted both of us in a very, very positive way, in a very, there's a primal, genetic, sort of ancestral thing that's happening when you hunt.

00:56:59.000 Yeah.

00:57:00.000 There's some lights that go off that you didn't even know were there.

00:57:04.000 Like, oh, I didn't even know there was a switch over there.

00:57:06.000 Yeah.

00:57:07.000 And like, oh, this is a part of my brain that's lit up that it was never lit up before.

00:57:11.000 Yeah.

00:57:11.000 And it's not what everybody thinks, the negative aspects.

00:57:15.000 It's not a barbaric thing.

00:57:16.000 It's not a cruelty thing.

00:57:18.000 It's a very respectful thing.

00:57:20.000 Yeah.

00:57:20.000 And I understand the people that have bad feelings about it.

00:57:25.000 I understand the people that look at it like animal cruelty, like, you don't have to do that.

00:57:29.000 You can get food other ways.

00:57:31.000 You can eat beans, and you don't need to do this.

00:57:33.000 Yeah.

00:57:34.000 I understand how they're thinking.

00:57:35.000 But...

00:57:36.000 My thought process is very different.

00:57:38.000 My thought process is what you're doing, what I'm doing, what all these people that do that hunt is you're entering into the wild and you're for a small window, a week or whatever it is, you're becoming a part of this crazy cycle of nature.

00:57:52.000 Yeah.

00:57:53.000 You're taking something out of that and leaving something as well.

00:57:56.000 You're spending a ton of money.

00:57:58.000 That money, whether it's the money for the outfitters, the money for the tags, the money for the gear, all that stuff, percentage of that goes to make sure that the habitat is maintained, make sure that the animal population is maintained, make sure that Department of Fish and Game is well staffed with biologists,

00:58:15.000 with people that are monitoring these animals.

00:58:17.000 Because guess what?

00:58:18.000 If that doesn't get done, these animals are not going to be there anymore.

00:58:23.000 And North America has the best wildlife management program or management system of anywhere.

00:58:30.000 And that's why almost all the species that we have here, there's more now than there almost ever has been, even with shrinking habitat, because we're encroaching on where they live.

00:58:41.000 But the numbers still flourish, because hunters aren't just, oh, let's go wipe them all out.

00:58:49.000 It's managed.

00:58:50.000 Fishing game is managed.

00:58:51.000 They're funded by hunters and what we pay with the tax and license.

00:58:55.000 And so there's a system to it.

00:58:57.000 But at the end of the day, like there in Australia, we were getting up in the morning out of the sleeping bag, grabbing our bow and taking off.

00:59:06.000 We're hunters.

00:59:08.000 That's it.

00:59:08.000 And that feels, man, it feels, like I said, I wish people could know what it feels like because I see people comment on my social media and they say, this isn't the 19th century anymore.

00:59:19.000 You don't have to be a Neanderthal or whatever.

00:59:21.000 But it's just, we are hunters. 0.98

00:59:24.000 Yeah, well most of those people have cheeseburgers on their Instagram pages, which is fucking hilarious. 0.94

00:59:29.000 There's so much of that. 0.94

00:59:30.000 This one chick, she posted something mean when I posted a picture of some elk that I was cooking, and I said, hey honey, I go, you got, I like to call girls honey because it makes them feel like I'm a sexist. 1.00

00:59:41.000 You got a fucking BLT on your page, sweetie. 0.99

00:59:44.000 And she's like, well, that was just from four months ago before I was enlightened. 1.00

00:59:49.000 I'm like, oh, you became enlightened.

00:59:51.000 It's always the most adamant vegans just became one.

00:59:54.000 The most proselytizing, ruthlessly aggressive ones.

00:59:57.000 I understand where they're coming from.

01:00:00.000 And I think that's very important to get our message across.

01:00:04.000 Is that, like, we're not animal haters.

01:00:06.000 This is not...

01:00:07.000 It's hard for people to understand that someone could love animals and love the idea of animals and love wildlife, but still eat them.

01:00:15.000 Yeah, you know, I always...

01:00:16.000 I climbed up in this tree there.

01:00:18.000 I found this place where the deer were coming into this field.

01:00:22.000 And, like I said, this area had been hunting, but I... I had figured nobody had ever hunted out of a tree there, you know, not like a whitetail back here, you know, in the east or in the south that get trees down and hunted all the time.

01:00:35.000 So I'm like, well, I think I can get up in this tree.

01:00:37.000 These deer coming out in this area, I probably have a pretty good chance.

01:00:40.000 So I was up there in the tree and these does and fawns were out in the field and they were running around chasing each other, playing.

01:00:48.000 I mean, it was just like speeding all around in circles and bumping into each other.

01:00:54.000 And, uh, It was cool to see.

01:00:57.000 And then a doe and a spike, a young buck, came out right under my tree.

01:01:03.000 The spike was 24, 25 yards away.

01:01:07.000 Basically a chip shot with a bow.

01:01:08.000 I had no idea I was there.

01:01:11.000 And there was a thought that we were getting low on meat in camp.

01:01:14.000 And I hadn't killed a deer.

01:01:17.000 So, you know, I had said before, I'm like, any buck that comes out, I'm taking him.

01:01:23.000 And then I was watching him up there, and I'm just like, I just, you know, for me...

01:01:29.000 It's got to be the right animal.

01:01:30.000 It's not just like I'm not some bloodthirsty, you know, I still watch the deer.

01:01:34.000 I still appreciate their beauty and that, you know, they're frolicking about or whatever you want to call it.

01:01:39.000 And I still enjoyed that.

01:01:41.000 This young buck was down and I had said I was going to get meat for camp, but I'm not some bloodthirsty guy.

01:01:47.000 So I just said, well, no, I'm just going to watch him and, you know, enjoy it.

01:01:50.000 And he was there. 0.79

01:01:51.000 And then the buck I ended up killing.

01:01:54.000 Stepped out and you know an old buck he was you could see his hip bones because he was so run down from the rut and he was getting older I could tell he was an older mature deer and that's that's what I want to take I want to take an animal past its prime that has done his job for spread his genes for the health of the herd and was that's the animals we want to take out and so he was he was just a run down old buck that's what I took Yeah,

01:02:24.000 the problem is that people associate someone who wants to take an older, big, mature animal with trophy hunting.

01:02:32.000 Like, oh, you just want the antlers.

01:02:33.000 You just want a big...

01:02:34.000 But they don't understand that that is actually the animal that you should take.

01:02:38.000 Yeah, and he's still great meat.

01:02:41.000 Yeah, I'm sure.

01:02:45.000 That's just, you know, for the health of the herd, that's the one you want.

01:02:48.000 Right.

01:02:48.000 You know, if you're doing it right.

01:02:50.000 The young ones then will get a chance to fill his spot.

01:02:52.000 Right.

01:02:52.000 And that would be the natural position if there was an...

01:02:56.000 This is the natural position if there's predators.

01:02:58.000 The natural position is the really young ones, like the fawns, get taken out. 0.99

01:03:01.000 And then the really old ones who start getting worn down, they get taken out.

01:03:04.000 And then everything in the middle gets to breed.

01:03:06.000 Yep.

01:03:06.000 And then this guy who's eight years old or whatever he is, he's had plenty of opportunity to spread his genetics.

01:03:13.000 Yep.

01:03:13.000 And so his offspring will be everywhere, and then they'll get a chance now.

01:03:18.000 And the thing is, nobody makes it out.

01:03:21.000 Nobody makes it out alive.

01:03:22.000 They're all dying.

01:03:23.000 We're all dying. 0.99

01:03:24.000 So if I wouldn't have killed that buck, it doesn't mean he's going to live forever. 0.99

01:03:29.000 I mean, he's going to die one way or another. 0.98

01:03:31.000 He's not going to become a fairy. 0.99

01:03:32.000 The fact that he died, I shot him, and he was dead within seconds is guaranteed, and people always talk shit about this, is the very best way he could go. 0.98

01:03:42.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:03:43.000 You don't want him starving to death.

01:03:44.000 Yeah.

01:03:45.000 Or, you know, dying because his teeth don't work anymore.

01:03:47.000 He literally can't eat food.

01:03:49.000 Yeah.

01:03:50.000 I've seen animals where you look at their teeth and there are almost none left.

01:03:55.000 Yeah.

01:03:56.000 You get like a really old buck.

01:03:57.000 No, this buck's teeth were flat in the back.

01:03:59.000 So it's just, when you can't eat, they got to gum it.

01:04:01.000 They can't gum enough.

01:04:02.000 Yeah, they can't grind down the food. 0.74

01:04:04.000 Stop breaking it down.

01:04:04.000 Yeah.

01:04:05.000 So it's...

01:04:06.000 You know, and Adam also found two bucks that had fought and got stuck.

01:04:13.000 They were fighting and a fence was in between them, just a cattle fence.

01:04:16.000 They got stuck in the fence, died.

01:04:19.000 Yeah.

01:04:19.000 So it's just, their life is, I mean, how many guys out here in the street, you know, fight and kill each other and get stuck It doesn't happen, you know, it's life in the wild is I mean unless you're out there and you witness things like that you just live in it's a it's not real I think the real problem is perspective,

01:04:39.000 you know, I mean I think unless you're there unless you're experiencing the wilderness itself Like, I've talked about my experience on Prince of Wales Island that, you know, Brian Callan and Rinella and I, we were up there for,

01:04:54.000 I guess, I think we camped there for six days.

01:04:57.000 And your idea of what, like, life is...

01:05:03.000 It's only based on what your perception is, like what you're seeing on a daily basis.

01:05:07.000 Well, here, you're seeing Ventura Boulevard, and you're seeing billboards, and oh, new movies coming out, and keeping up with the Kardashians.

01:05:14.000 There's a new season.

01:05:14.000 Look at that new Audi.

01:05:16.000 Wow, that's a sweet-looking car.

01:05:17.000 Hey, I got the new iPhone.

01:05:18.000 All right, and this is life.

01:05:20.000 And then you're out there, and you go, oh, well, this is life, too.

01:05:23.000 Total quiet, like this.

01:05:26.000 No cell phone service.

01:05:28.000 Rain.

01:05:29.000 Animals.

01:05:30.000 Yeah.

01:05:30.000 And then if you die, no one's going to know.

01:05:33.000 No. 0.98

01:05:33.000 If you fall and break your neck and die right there, something will eat you. 0.98

01:05:36.000 No one will find you. 0.75

01:05:37.000 And that's normal.

01:05:39.000 You're trying to stay warm.

01:05:40.000 You're trying to get food.

01:05:42.000 And there's more spots like that on this planet.

01:05:45.000 Yeah.

01:05:46.000 More spots like that on this planet than spots like Los Angeles.

01:05:49.000 Yeah.

01:05:49.000 It's weird.

01:05:51.000 Yeah, I don't know.

01:05:53.000 But that connection, I don't know.

01:05:55.000 I guess there's no...

01:05:57.000 There's no way to see it in front of your computer.

01:05:59.000 No, but if we can film it right and share it right, I think people will get it.

01:06:06.000 They're getting it a little now.

01:06:07.000 Get it more than right now.

01:06:10.000 So, I mean, that's my goal with what we've been talking about.

01:06:14.000 And, I mean, we talked about the difficulty.

01:06:16.000 I did remember I wanted to mention this.

01:06:22.000 I mean, I've been on a lot of hunts in a lot of places over the years, and I hadn't struggled like I had on this hunt.

01:06:28.000 It was so difficult.

01:06:30.000 I was telling the guys back there, I said, I'm questioning my life right now.

01:06:36.000 What am I doing with my life?

01:06:39.000 And it's just because I'm like...

01:06:41.000 It's not going to happen.

01:06:42.000 I'm not going to get it done.

01:06:44.000 And the animals don't care about my goals.

01:06:47.000 They don't care about that, oh, we're supposed to be making this great film and portray hunting.

01:06:52.000 They're like, no.

01:06:56.000 They're just staying alive.

01:06:57.000 That was it.

01:06:58.000 Everything that I felt like I wanted to do or achieve, it was just like, it's not going to happen.

01:07:04.000 And it felt like...

01:07:06.000 Have I lost it?

01:07:08.000 You know, I mean, it was just like, this is hard.

01:07:11.000 But when it works, and you do it right, and that shot happens, then it's just like, okay.

01:07:19.000 And I don't know.

01:07:21.000 It's just that doing something so difficult and being successful, and I've said this before, has made me who I am.

01:07:29.000 You know, I mean, without a challenge like that, I don't know.

01:07:34.000 I don't know where I'd be right now.

01:07:37.000 Sometimes you cuss it, and then, man, you're just so appreciative of the journey.

01:07:44.000 Well, those difficult moments, the only thing that makes success worthwhile, success was easy.

01:07:49.000 If you woke up in the morning, first day, yawn, have a cup of coffee, step five steps, there's the biggest deer that's ever lived. 0.88

01:07:56.000 Shoot one right through his heart. 0.97

01:07:57.000 You wouldn't even feel it. 1.00

01:07:59.000 It wouldn't be like...

01:08:00.000 No, I know.

01:08:01.000 And I don't think people understand how difficult it is, too, because they watch these TV shows.

01:08:05.000 If you ever watch a hunting show, they're half an hour long.

01:08:07.000 So you're watching 22 minutes without commercials, right?

01:08:09.000 Yeah.

01:08:10.000 In 22 minutes, you know, they usually build up for the first, you know, 15 minutes.

01:08:14.000 Well, you know, we came close to them, but we could not get a shot.

01:08:17.000 And then finally they get a shot.

01:08:18.000 What you don't see...

01:08:19.000 Is that it takes days and days and days of 10, 12 hours, up and down mountains, up and down and up and down.

01:08:28.000 And when I met you, the reason why I got in contact with you and the reason why I met you is because I was so confused as to why someone would need to run ultra marathons in order to get ready for hunting. 0.99

01:08:39.000 I was like, what the fuck is this guy doing? 0.98

01:08:41.000 Why is he lifting weights and doing all this shit for... 1.00

01:08:44.000 I didn't get it. 0.99

01:08:45.000 I was just getting into it, and I was trying to figure out...

01:08:49.000 I would start to watch things on television, and I was starting to read certain articles and read certain books, and I was like, well, what is this whole fitness connection to hunting?

01:09:00.000 Why do they need to be in shape?

01:09:01.000 I'm like, I'm in pretty good shape.

01:09:02.000 What's the big deal? 0.99

01:09:03.000 Well, I went with Rinella, and when I went with Rinella, one of the things I realized was, boy, I got pretty winded going up these fucking hills. 0.99

01:09:09.000 Hiking tires you out. 0.98

01:09:11.000 Especially high altitude. 0.99

01:09:12.000 And then I see your videos online, and I was like, what the fuck is this guy into? 0.98

01:09:17.000 And then as I go deeper and deeper into it, I realize like, oh, this is like an extreme pursuit. 0.98

01:09:24.000 This is not just like something you just go out and do.

01:09:27.000 This is something that's really hard to do.

01:09:29.000 And a lot of people, I've...

01:09:32.000 Read this one article about this one guy who was unsuccessful 12 years in a row elk hunting before he finally shot an elk.

01:09:39.000 12 years!

01:09:40.000 Like, how many times did this guy go out?

01:09:42.000 How many days did he camp in the forest?

01:09:44.000 How many days did he try to stalk and get winded or snap on a twig at the last minute or, you know, the elk sees him and bolts?

01:09:52.000 Most people are unsuccessful.

01:09:54.000 Yeah.

01:09:54.000 I mean 9 out of 10 every year are unsuccessful.

01:09:57.000 I think it's more than that.

01:09:58.000 Like for elk hunting with archery?

01:10:00.000 It's about 10% success.

01:10:02.000 Is it 10%?

01:10:02.000 Yeah.

01:10:03.000 So 9 out of 10 are unsuccessful.

01:10:06.000 So people who don't hunt, who see, you know, dead stuff all the time, they think, oh, you just go out and kill an animal.

01:10:12.000 Right.

01:10:12.000 No.

01:10:13.000 Right.

01:10:13.000 Most, 90% don't.

01:10:15.000 It is really hard.

01:10:18.000 And it's just like...

01:10:20.000 Until you're out there, you got the bow in your hand, and you're trying to close in on that animal, and you're trying to do everything right from A to Z, and there's so many variables during that whole path, it's just like, it seems impossible sometimes.

01:10:34.000 You know, even for me after 30 years.

01:10:37.000 And there's a very strange connection that you get with nature, and forget about even the fact that you're pursuing these animals to hunt them and eat them, but there's a very strange connection that you get when you're out there in that total quiet, Woods where they live you're in their world and you lock eyes with them and you meet them and you see them and you're in this place with no cell phone reception with no people anywhere near you from miles and miles.

01:11:00.000 Yeah, it's a totally different feeling life shows you Another aspect of itself that you didn't know existed.

01:11:08.000 Yeah Yeah.

01:11:09.000 And it's out there every day.

01:11:10.000 Yeah.

01:11:11.000 But we're just, you know, living in our...

01:11:14.000 We're muted.

01:11:15.000 We're very muted.

01:11:17.000 There's something about cities and this existence.

01:11:20.000 I mean, don't get me wrong, I like it.

01:11:22.000 I like a lot of it.

01:11:23.000 I like the fact that you can go to a restaurant.

01:11:24.000 I like going to the movies. 0.99

01:11:26.000 I like the fact that if, you know, if your phone breaks, you go to the fucking mall and get a new cell phone. 0.98

01:11:31.000 All that stuff's wonderful. 0.98

01:11:32.000 It's not bad, but the other stuff is fantastic, too.

01:11:36.000 And we're disconnected.

01:11:38.000 A giant percentage of our population lives in these urban environments that have a complete and total disconnect from the actual life on Earth.

01:11:47.000 Life on Earth is not just urban environments.

01:11:51.000 Life on Earth has this broad spectrum of different ways it manifests itself.

01:11:58.000 And to experience all these different ones, to be in Alberta and see black bears in the wild, to be in Colorado and see mule deer and be in the woods and the mountains and to be around these different animals...

01:12:11.000 It's a different it's a different understanding of the actual existence that living things have here on earth that living things that share the air you breathe and the water you drink and the earth itself that was that was the best part of that trip because we would split up Adam would go one way.

01:12:30.000 I would go another way in the morning.

01:12:31.000 I'd have Mark Womack with me.

01:12:34.000 He'd have Jameson was his cameraman's name would go with him and The best part was at the end of the day Hearing what everybody saw.

01:12:42.000 Not if you killed something, because we didn't...

01:12:46.000 I mean, we were there a long time and didn't kill very much.

01:12:48.000 But just what everybody saw, you know, from the bucks being locked up that were dead to one morning we were up and...

01:12:58.000 I heard something, a commotion up ahead of us, and Mark says, it's a buck rubbing his antlers.

01:13:04.000 And I listened for a second, I said, no, that's two bucks fighting.

01:13:07.000 So we took off up the hill, and I got 25 yards away, and these bucks were just going at it, just fighting, pushing each other around.

01:13:14.000 Couldn't get a clear shot.

01:13:16.000 Didn't get up there in time to do that.

01:13:18.000 But that story.

01:13:19.000 And then Adam would say, well, he called in three fox.

01:13:22.000 You know, he did a varmint call and three fox came running in.

01:13:25.000 Or he saw this many wild boars.

01:13:28.000 Or he was close to getting, saw a giant fallow buck.

01:13:33.000 However, it didn't work out.

01:13:35.000 And then I would share a story about what I saw, you know, about...

01:13:39.000 Another brown snake or something like that.

01:13:41.000 And that was so fun, just getting together over the campfire.

01:13:46.000 Not talking about what we killed, but just what we saw and experienced.

01:13:50.000 I flew home last night and just got in this morning to LA, and I'm looking around the airport.

01:13:57.000 I was thinking about all the people.

01:13:58.000 I wonder how many actually would get me.

01:14:04.000 Because I feel like...

01:14:06.000 An outsider a little bit, especially coming back from a hunt.

01:14:09.000 And I'm just looking at everybody thinking, I don't get them, they probably don't get me.

01:14:14.000 But you at least understand what they're doing.

01:14:16.000 I think, you know, I mean, when I was checking my luggage in, I flew Virgin.

01:14:21.000 Coming back from Sydney to LA and the lady there at the check-in, she's like, what's in that case?

01:14:30.000 And I said, it's a bow.

01:14:32.000 A weapon?

01:14:33.000 I go, could be, yeah.

01:14:36.000 Yeah, it's a bow and arrow.

01:14:38.000 What were you doing?

01:14:39.000 I said, hunting.

01:14:40.000 She goes, what were you hunting?

01:14:42.000 Oh, don't tell me.

01:14:43.000 Don't tell me.

01:14:44.000 She didn't even want to hear it.

01:14:46.000 Did she have leather shoes on? 0.88

01:14:48.000 I was hunting buffalo.

01:14:49.000 She's like, there's buffalo here?

01:14:51.000 I said, well, not here.

01:14:52.000 But yeah, there's a lot of buffalo in Australia.

01:14:56.000 And she's like, well, I don't think you can fly with a bow and arrow. 1.00

01:14:59.000 And I'm like...

01:15:01.000 I don't think you've looked into it.

01:15:03.000 Yeah, you can.

01:15:04.000 I said, it's not even like a firearm weapon type thing.

01:15:08.000 You just check it in, just normal.

01:15:10.000 But anyway, I was like, oh man.

01:15:14.000 How old was this lady? 1.00

01:15:16.000 Oh, she wasn't old.

01:15:17.000 She's younger than me, probably.

01:15:20.000 I don't think you can fly with a bow in it.

01:15:23.000 Why was she telling you that?

01:15:24.000 I don't know.

01:15:25.000 She never looked into that.

01:15:26.000 I said, I go, well, I ended up, didn't have to do anything.

01:15:31.000 She said, you're going to have to sign all this stuff because they're not allowed.

01:15:34.000 And I'm just like, I said, listen, I fly with this all over the world.

01:15:38.000 Is this a lady who worked there? 0.99

01:15:39.000 Yeah.

01:15:40.000 Oh, she didn't know?

01:15:41.000 No.

01:15:42.000 Oh, that's hilarious.

01:15:43.000 So she said they're way more strict, which maybe they are.

01:15:46.000 Virgin is more strict?

01:15:47.000 That's what she said.

01:15:47.000 I said, well, I just flew Qantas to Darwin and back, and nobody said a word.

01:15:54.000 She goes, have you ever been in Australia before with it?

01:15:57.000 I said, yeah.

01:15:58.000 I said, listen, I've been everywhere.

01:16:00.000 It's never an issue.

01:16:01.000 Trust me.

01:16:01.000 I'm not trying to...

01:16:03.000 I mean, just trust me.

01:16:04.000 So anyway...

01:16:06.000 But yeah, it's just there's times when I'm just like, God, am I the outsider or what?

01:16:12.000 I don't know.

01:16:13.000 Well, you know, it's like we were talking before this when we were on the way over here about a show that wanted me to come on and talk about guns.

01:16:21.000 But there's going to be like a large audience and there's going to be a bunch of people on the panel and you talk for seven minutes and you go to commercial break and I'm like, I'm not interested.

01:16:29.000 I'm not interested in doing that because I think that it's a long conversation that you have to have with someone and it takes a while for you to understand their point of view.

01:16:37.000 It takes a while for them to understand your point of view.

01:16:40.000 It takes a while to establish the fact that you're a very reasonable person and this is a very nuanced conversation.

01:16:47.000 Much like when that guy in France ran over a bunch of people with his truck, I don't think the truck should be outlawed. 0.99

01:16:53.000 I think the real issue is human beings that are capable of doing horrible shit. 1.00

01:16:57.000 It's crazy people. 1.00

01:16:58.000 Right.

01:16:59.000 Why are they capable of doing that? 0.53

01:17:01.000 Let's get to the bottom of that and let's stop ignoring all the factors and just concentrating only on the weapon, right?

01:17:07.000 That kind of conversation is a long conversation that I think takes hours and hours and you still might not get to the bottom of it.

01:17:14.000 Right.

01:17:15.000 That's how I feel about like you talking to someone about hunting.

01:17:18.000 Yeah.

01:17:18.000 Like if you came over here, it's almost like I don't even want to tell them.

01:17:20.000 Like if someone says like that you have a bow, like what's in the case?

01:17:23.000 It's a bow and arrow.

01:17:24.000 What do you do?

01:17:24.000 Oh, I practice archery.

01:17:26.000 Yeah.

01:17:26.000 It's easier that way.

01:17:28.000 Like to shoot at targets.

01:17:29.000 Oh, you're target shooting.

01:17:30.000 Oh, that's cool.

01:17:31.000 That's in the Olympics.

01:17:32.000 Yep, it's in the Olympics.

01:17:33.000 Yeah.

01:17:34.000 Except my targets, they move and they have antlers.

01:17:37.000 Yeah, I know.

01:17:38.000 You can't tell them that.

01:17:40.000 I know.

01:17:41.000 I think I'm just like...

01:17:43.000 It takes too long.

01:17:43.000 Yeah, it does, but I don't know.

01:17:47.000 I think I just don't like hiding who I am, basically.

01:17:50.000 So I'm always...

01:17:51.000 I just say, hey, this is what I do.

01:17:53.000 She's like, don't tell me.

01:17:54.000 I'm like, I was hunting buffalo.

01:17:55.000 I'm telling you, I don't care.

01:17:59.000 They're an invasive species. 0.63

01:18:00.000 No, they live there.

01:18:01.000 You're going to hear what I was doing, whether you like it or not.

01:18:04.000 Nobody wants to hear it.

01:18:05.000 Well, it's kind of like with my social media.

01:18:08.000 I like putting up stuff so I can just weed the people out.

01:18:12.000 Right.

01:18:13.000 You know, like holding the buffalo head in the water.

01:18:16.000 I'm like, okay, this is going to weed out some of the people who I really don't want here anyway.

01:18:20.000 Right.

01:18:21.000 They're going to get mad at you for sure, but they would get mad anyway.

01:18:23.000 Yeah.

01:18:25.000 There's a lot of people that listen to these conversations, and they get a perspective that they would have never had.

01:18:31.000 There's a lot of people right now that are listening, that are in their car, that are on the bus or whatever, and they've got their headphones on, and they're thinking about this in a way that they never thought about it before, because in their mind, because of the fact they live in these urban environments, and they've never been exposed to hunting,

01:18:48.000 and they get all their meat from a store, or from a supermarket, or from a restaurant, they just never heard anybody talk about it.

01:18:55.000 And it's a weird part of our life.

01:18:58.000 It's a dangerous disconnect, I think, with life and death.

01:19:01.000 The dangerous disconnect of restaurants and supermarkets.

01:19:04.000 Well, here's one thing.

01:19:06.000 I think people just get tuned in to what they're interested in.

01:19:09.000 And that's it.

01:19:10.000 I mean, even Instagram does it.

01:19:12.000 So, on the Explore page or whatever that is, what comes up is what you look at.

01:19:17.000 Yeah.

01:19:18.000 So, what comes up on my page is like...

01:19:20.000 Hunting and fitness.

01:19:22.000 Yeah, that's so it's all that so whatever you're looking at whether it's Gay guys or cooking, that's your world. 0.74

01:19:32.000 So that's sort of what our world is now, is we're only exposed to really what we want to be exposed to, you know?

01:19:41.000 And that's why I'm like, no, I'm hunting buffalo.

01:19:45.000 I want that lady to be exposed to something different. 0.99

01:19:48.000 Right, right, right.

01:19:50.000 So, I don't know, it's just...

01:19:52.000 It's confirmation.

01:19:53.000 I don't really know what my point is.

01:19:54.000 Well, what you're saying makes a whole lot of sense is that people do, they find these communities with like-minded people and it becomes an echo chamber.

01:20:02.000 Yeah.

01:20:02.000 They're preaching to the choir.

01:20:04.000 Yeah.

01:20:04.000 And that goes all the way back to like a million hours ago, it feels like, since we've been talking about why that Netflix thing is so appealing to me and having you involved.

01:20:13.000 It's just because we've reached so many new people and hunting is so important to me and I think...

01:20:23.000 People can understand what motivates us and why it's important.

01:20:28.000 I just want that shown right and shared right.

01:20:32.000 There's definitely a way to do it.

01:20:34.000 I don't know where we should go, whether it's the Buffalo Place or somewhere else, but I think it's a great idea to do.

01:20:41.000 Steve Rinella's show is on Netflix now, and it has one star.

01:20:46.000 Does?

01:20:46.000 Yeah, people are so angry.

01:20:48.000 They find it. 1.00

01:20:49.000 Fuck, you shouldn't have to eat meat. 1.00

01:20:51.000 You can get everything you want from celery. 1.00

01:20:54.000 Yeah, people get super aggro.

01:20:58.000 You know, you want to make people really angry?

01:21:00.000 Tell them that there's a growing body of science that shows that plants are intelligent.

01:21:04.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:21:05.000 And they feel, they scream and all that. 0.99

01:21:08.000 Fucking freak out like babies. 0.99

01:21:11.000 You don't even have to say that this justifies eating meat. 1.00

01:21:15.000 Just put that up. 0.97

01:21:16.000 When I put that on Twitter, just the data about that, and people will fucking go crazy and attack me for hunting. 0.95

01:21:23.000 Yeah. 0.76

01:21:24.000 Or if you talk about all the animals that die when they're salads being made, you know?

01:21:30.000 Right, you don't want to hear that either.

01:21:31.000 No, it's different, whatever.

01:21:34.000 They prioritize or put different importance on animals.

01:21:40.000 We've talked about that, too.

01:21:42.000 Well, they feel like they're doing a good thing, and they are in many ways.

01:21:46.000 Look, if you're eschewing factory farming, you're avoiding factory farming and eating more salads and eating farm-to-table vegetables instead, you are definitely contributing to less death and suffering, 100%.

01:22:00.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:22:01.000 But you're contributing to some.

01:22:02.000 You just are.

01:22:04.000 If you eat grain, you're contributing to...

01:22:07.000 First of all, what do you care about?

01:22:09.000 Do you care about insects?

01:22:10.000 Like, where do you draw the line?

01:22:11.000 Because if you don't care about insects, well, then you're okay. 0.99

01:22:14.000 But if you do, if you think that insects are alive, well, there's pesticides, they're fucking... 1.00

01:22:19.000 It's a holocaust every day out there for fucking bugs. 1.00

01:22:22.000 They're spraying those goddamn things constantly. 1.00

01:22:25.000 I mean, if you want to have healthy crops... 0.99

01:22:27.000 There's a reason why they have these pesticides.

01:22:29.000 Yeah.

01:22:51.000 Adam swerves around him.

01:22:52.000 To try to not kill him. 0.64

01:22:54.000 Not kill him.

01:22:54.000 He wants him to stay alive.

01:22:56.000 Well, yeah.

01:22:57.000 Big spider he had crawling on his face.

01:22:59.000 I saw that thing.

01:23:00.000 Why did he let that thing crawl on his face?

01:23:01.000 I don't know.

01:23:02.000 Because he's Australian.

01:23:03.000 A different breed of human.

01:23:05.000 But not killing.

01:23:06.000 Is that on his Instagram?

01:23:09.000 Yeah, it is somewhere.

01:23:10.000 Adam.GreenTree.BowHunting.

01:23:13.000 No, he changed it to just Adam GreenTree.

01:23:15.000 Adam.GreenTree.

01:23:17.000 Why?

01:23:18.000 I don't know.

01:23:19.000 The bow hunting part?

01:23:20.000 I think it was too confusing.

01:23:22.000 Yeah.

01:23:23.000 Maybe.

01:23:23.000 I don't think he's worried about that at all.

01:23:25.000 I don't know.

01:23:26.000 Angry people?

01:23:26.000 Boy, that guy seems immune to hate.

01:23:28.000 Yeah, it's a...

01:23:31.000 He's a great guy.

01:23:33.000 He is.

01:23:34.000 But he is sensitive, too.

01:23:36.000 I mean, that's what I'm saying.

01:23:38.000 It's not like we're just cold-blooded killers.

01:23:42.000 You know what I mean?

01:23:43.000 There was one time we didn't have an argument, but I didn't believe him about something.

01:23:49.000 And he was so upset.

01:23:51.000 He's like...

01:23:52.000 He goes, I'm brutally honest.

01:23:54.000 And he's mad that I didn't believe him.

01:23:56.000 So it's like he's a warm-hearted person.

01:24:01.000 He's not just running over snakes and killing...

01:24:05.000 He's not a robot.

01:24:05.000 No, no, no.

01:24:06.000 And so people think that we're just these cold-blooded killers out there, barbaric or whatever.

01:24:11.000 No, no.

01:24:12.000 I feel like...

01:24:14.000 And I don't want to judge people who aren't, but I feel like we are just...

01:24:17.000 We understand the circle of life better.

01:24:20.000 Yeah.

01:24:21.000 I don't know.

01:24:22.000 Well, you're definitely more accustomed to being around it.

01:24:25.000 Yeah.

01:24:26.000 Exposed to it.

01:24:27.000 Yeah.

01:24:28.000 You know, I think, like I said, I have friends that are vegans.

01:24:33.000 I know a lot of vegans.

01:24:34.000 And people think that for some reason I hate vegans.

01:24:36.000 I mock a lot of things.

01:24:38.000 I make fun of things that are targets.

01:24:41.000 And a lot of, like, the proselytizing nature of...

01:24:44.000 Vegans and the angry, self-righteous, moral high ground stance that they take, it's easy to mock.

01:24:51.000 It's right there.

01:24:52.000 It's easy.

01:24:55.000 I think most of the people that do it, they do it for good reasons.

01:24:58.000 Most of the, you know, trying the lifestyle and eating that way.

01:25:02.000 Yeah.

01:25:03.000 But there's also health problems with it, you know, and people don't like you saying that either.

01:25:07.000 I know a lot of people that have tried it and they give up after a while because they bought it.

01:25:11.000 My friend Sophie from the Comedy Store, she just started eating eggs again.

01:25:15.000 Yeah.

01:25:15.000 For the longest time, she was just trying to just go straight vegan.

01:25:18.000 She kept getting her blood work back, and it wasn't healthy.

01:25:23.000 Actually, she wasn't the blood work.

01:25:25.000 Sam Harris was the blood work guy. 0.88

01:25:26.000 He went vegan for a while, but his blood work was all fucked up, so he started eating fish and eggs. 0.95

01:25:31.000 Yeah.

01:25:32.000 It's like there's people that...

01:25:34.000 Different bodies...

01:25:36.000 Are more adaptable to different kinds of diets and some people just don't do well on an all plant-based diet and Maybe they're not as disciplined as some folks.

01:25:44.000 Maybe they're not doing it, right?

01:25:45.000 Yeah, I don't know. 0.94

01:25:45.000 Yeah, it's hard to say but everybody's everybody's different, but I don't think there's anything wrong With going out and killing animals and eating them. 0.94

01:25:55.000 And I think that's where we differ from a lot of people that think that you should not be allowed to do that.

01:26:02.000 You should not be allowed because it's barbaric.

01:26:05.000 I don't think it's barbaric.

01:26:06.000 I think it's spiritual.

01:26:07.000 And that's what freaks people out.

01:26:09.000 They get very angry if you say that.

01:26:12.000 But they wouldn't get angry if you talked about Native Americans doing it. 0.99

01:26:15.000 It's very interesting.

01:26:16.000 And the thing is, the big difference is, I don't care if they don't eat meat.

01:26:21.000 I don't judge them for not eating meat, but they judge us for killing.

01:26:25.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

01:26:26.000 So it's pretty one-sided as far as they won't accept being a hunter and being self-sufficient while any hunter I know isn't going on vegan pages and talking shit. 0.98

01:26:39.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

01:26:40.000 So it's just weird how they're so hateful and so...

01:26:45.000 One site, you know, up on our soapbox.

01:26:48.000 Yeah.

01:26:48.000 And I don't feel like we'd do that.

01:26:50.000 Some people do it.

01:26:51.000 I know there's going to be people that say, they're going to say, oh, first of all, they're going to say, how many times am I going to be on here?

01:26:58.000 As many times as he can come.

01:27:01.000 There's a lot of other podcasts, folks.

01:27:02.000 What's the record?

01:27:03.000 Of most people on here?

01:27:05.000 I don't know.

01:27:05.000 For the most number of repeat guests.

01:27:08.000 Somebody probably knows.

01:27:11.000 Probably Joey Diaz.

01:27:12.000 Callan's probably pushing.

01:27:13.000 Callan?

01:27:13.000 Yeah, Callan.

01:27:14.000 All the fight companions and everything.

01:27:16.000 Eddie Bravo.

01:27:16.000 Oh, that's true.

01:27:17.000 And then they'll say, talking about more boring hunting shit. 1.00

01:27:23.000 I know. 1.00

01:27:24.000 You don't have to listen, folks.

01:27:25.000 I do a lot of podcasts.

01:27:27.000 I got one later today with Jordan Peterson.

01:27:28.000 I guarantee you we're not going to be talking about hunting.

01:27:30.000 Who's that?

01:27:31.000 He's a professor at the University of Toronto.

01:27:33.000 He might hunt.

01:27:34.000 He might.

01:27:35.000 I don't think he does, though.

01:27:37.000 He hunts liberals.

01:27:38.000 But one of the things is about what we were talking about earlier, that we were saying that people sort of find their area and it becomes like an echo chamber.

01:27:48.000 And I think that's one of the issues with, whether it's veganism or even hunting, is that I think that people, they need to be, have these dialogues with people that don't necessarily agree with them so they can find out how the other person thinks. 0.99

01:28:03.000 And, you know, if you do, if you are talking to a person who's a hunter and you find out that they're actually just a cruel psychopath, like, fuck man, I wouldn't want to hang out with that guy. 0.97

01:28:11.000 I mean, I haven't experienced that, but I know they must be out there. 0.99

01:28:14.000 Hell yeah.

01:28:15.000 Probably.

01:28:17.000 There's freaks in everything.

01:28:19.000 In everything, yeah.

01:28:20.000 And you were having a conversation with someone like that, I mean, it would be disturbing.

01:28:25.000 But I think that most people that are, especially people like yourself or a guy like Remy Warren, Or Steve Rinella, very well-spoken, who's also an advocate for conservation, loves wildlife.

01:28:38.000 If they sat down and had a long-form conversation like this with someone who's a reasonable person, who's a vegan for all the right reasons, who's a vegan because they care about life and because they want to be cruelty-free and they want to live life with as little footprint as possible,

01:28:54.000 I think they'd be surprised at how much common ground they find.

01:28:57.000 Yeah, I mean, if anybody spent a day in the woods with Remy or Adam, they'd be shocked at how much, not hunting they know, just how much they know about...

01:29:10.000 The environment, about where they're hunting, about different species, about the animals and tendencies and foliage.

01:29:19.000 I mean, those guys are amazing.

01:29:22.000 Yeah, and I think that almost like what we're talking about with the Aborigines, we're kind of losing their culture. 1.00

01:29:27.000 We're losing out on an understanding of how these people lived.

01:29:31.000 There's a little bit of that could be said about the culture of hunting.

01:29:36.000 Is that if it goes away, and if it...

01:29:39.000 There was a trend about 10, maybe 15, 20 years ago, where, from what I've read at least, obviously I'm pretty new to it, I've only been hunting for five years, but they were considerably worried, they were really worried, there was a real thought that the next few generations,

01:29:55.000 that hunting was going to dwindle down to such a low number that hunters would not have the same sort of impact In terms of politically, where they could affect the retaining of public lands.

01:30:10.000 Yeah.

01:30:10.000 And which is a huge issue with Americans today.

01:30:13.000 And you're seeing it with this Trump administration where you're seeing the erosion of the Environmental Protection Agency and the erosion of the status, the protected status that some national monuments have and perhaps public lands have.

01:30:25.000 People are super nervous.

01:30:26.000 And you had a conversation, a long conversation with Jason Chavitz.

01:30:30.000 Yeah.

01:30:30.000 Chavitz?

01:30:31.000 Chavitz? 0.97

01:30:32.000 Chaffetz. 1.00

01:30:33.000 Chaffetz, who had a very controversial bill that he had out that was pulled back.

01:30:37.000 It was a bill to sell off public land that was pulled back because of the activism of hunters and people who care.

01:30:45.000 Yeah, it was what they were going to determine was disposable.

01:30:52.000 Yeah, three million acres of disposable land.

01:30:54.000 Well, that was H.R. 621, and then there's H.R. 622 also.

01:30:59.000 So there's two of them kind of back-to-back different.

01:31:01.000 622 just took away the law enforcement on public lands, and they wanted to take it from the federal government and give it to the state, which people think that's just a way...

01:31:16.000 Where the states can say, well, we can't afford it, so we're going to have to sell this public land.

01:31:20.000 Exactly.

01:31:21.000 Because it's a resource, and the states have to balance their budget every year.

01:31:27.000 Federal government doesn't.

01:31:28.000 So if the state has to balance its budget, and it's not penciling out, and they can sell X amount of acres, and that's going to help, they're going to do that.

01:31:37.000 That's all there is to it.

01:31:38.000 Yeah.

01:31:40.000 Yeah, that is...

01:31:41.000 There's also wildfire protection.

01:31:44.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:31:44.000 There's a bunch of issues.

01:31:46.000 Fighting wildfires, it's a federal issue. 0.99

01:31:48.000 But if it's private land, if the state sells it, all that shit's gone. 0.96

01:31:53.000 There's no more federal protection. 0.97

01:31:55.000 Yeah, and you look at, I don't know, that's a big one.

01:32:00.000 And so sportsman's really stepped up, and that was through social media, how they can, now we have more of a voice than we've ever had.

01:32:08.000 You know, before it was just these politicians making decisions and, you know, us little people didn't really have a say.

01:32:15.000 Now we have a say.

01:32:16.000 I mean, Jason Chaffetz, you'd think, well, why would he care?

01:32:21.000 You look at his Instagram page, he might have, you know, I don't think he has 20,000, whereas we have pretty big numbers, especially you.

01:32:29.000 So if you mention something about it, he gets overwhelmed with, hey, are you looking out for us?

01:32:35.000 Are you doing the right thing by us?

01:32:37.000 We won't vote you in next time.

01:32:40.000 And so then it makes those guys think... 1.00

01:32:43.000 Holy shit. 1.00

01:32:43.000 Well, did you see his town hall meeting? 1.00

01:32:45.000 Yeah.

01:32:45.000 I mean, it's crazy.

01:32:47.000 It's all sportsmen and sportswomen showed up, and all people that care about public lands, and they went crazy.

01:32:53.000 Yeah, that was...

01:32:55.000 Kind of a go-rope.

01:32:57.000 Yeah, I had mixed feelings on that because the yelling and stuff doesn't...

01:33:03.000 At least it sends a very clear message that people are obsessed.

01:33:06.000 It doesn't accomplish much as far as there.

01:33:08.000 But yeah, it sends a message for sure.

01:33:11.000 Yeah, it's dangerous.

01:33:12.000 And he's not going to be a politician anymore.

01:33:13.000 No, I know.

01:33:14.000 He's resigning.

01:33:15.000 And I don't know.

01:33:15.000 I'm not sure.

01:33:16.000 I see every once in a while he likes some of my stuff. 0.81

01:33:20.000 I hear he's going into male prostitution. 0.92

01:33:23.000 That's what I heard.

01:33:25.000 Is that true, Jamie?

01:33:26.000 Can you Google that?

01:33:28.000 I just made that up.

01:33:29.000 I know.

01:33:29.000 Jason, if you're listening, I'm a comedian, and I'm sorry.

01:33:32.000 No.

01:33:32.000 Don't sue me.

01:33:33.000 He seemed like a super nice guy, but it's...

01:33:36.000 He's a politician.

01:33:37.000 And I told him, I said, listen...

01:33:39.000 Or at least he was.

01:33:39.000 I go, listen, you're the first politician I've ever met.

01:33:42.000 And he's like, oh, you've lived a charmed life.

01:33:45.000 Puzzled by representing Chavitt's decision to quit Congress. 0.99

01:33:48.000 Well, I bet it's that fucking, going to that town hall and having all those people screaming at him. 0.99

01:33:53.000 Probably thinking, what am I doing? 0.99

01:33:55.000 Well, he's, you know, like I said, he seemed nice, but maybe that politicians have to be personable.

01:34:01.000 That's how they get elected.

01:34:02.000 Of course.

01:34:02.000 You know?

01:34:02.000 You ever watch House of Cards?

01:34:04.000 No, I haven't.

01:34:05.000 Good show.

01:34:05.000 You should watch it.

01:34:06.000 Yeah, it'll freak you the fuck out. 0.63

01:34:07.000 If it's really like that, you should be scared.

01:34:09.000 We should all be scared.

01:34:10.000 So I'd like to learn more.

01:34:12.000 I haven't asked him, you know, what's going on or whatever, but yeah, I mean, I liked the fact that he at least took time out to talk about it, you know, instead of just, I'm not sure why he did, but I appreciated the fact that he did.

01:34:28.000 Well, he's an interesting guy because he saves money for the people by sleeping in his office.

01:34:35.000 He has a cot in his office that he sleeps in to save money on hotel rooms for the people. 1.00

01:34:40.000 So it's not like he's a total piece of shit. 1.00

01:34:43.000 No. 1.00

01:34:44.000 I didn't get that feeling.

01:34:45.000 But...

01:34:46.000 But Ranella has a very bad opinion of him based on his record with defending public land.

01:34:54.000 And Ranella thinks that he does not understand the significance of these decisions.

01:34:58.000 These decisions are a step in the wrong direction that will snowball out of control and will eventually lead to privatizing of public lands and the loss of the access to them by the American people that was all set aside by Teddy Roosevelt and all those people that had such great insight and foresight back in the day.

01:35:16.000 Yeah, and that's, you know, that was the worry with, he says, well, no, I'm just taking the law enforcement away from these lands, or not taking it away, but giving it to the state.

01:35:27.000 And like I said, with the whole budget thing, so people were thinking that when they don't have enough money, not just for the law enforcement, but for...

01:35:37.000 Enforcing illegal timber harvests and dumping trash.

01:35:41.000 And so when all that happens, that lessens the value of the land.

01:35:45.000 So when the value of the land is lessened, then it's just like, okay, whatever.

01:35:49.000 This is a garbage dump anyway.

01:35:52.000 So it makes it easier.

01:35:54.000 So they thought that was just a step in the transition of taking that away from Public land and privatizing it.

01:36:01.000 That's Ranella's opinion. 0.92

01:36:02.000 Maybe it was.

01:36:03.000 I don't know.

01:36:05.000 Jason seemed like a very nice guy when you were interviewing him.

01:36:07.000 I don't know enough about that particular issue.

01:36:10.000 But when you talk to a guy like Ranella, who is deeply invested in it and very well read on it, He is of the opinion 100% that it's an incredibly negative idea.

01:36:20.000 Both HR 621, which is gone, and 622, which he thinks is equally negative, and he thinks it's essentially like a Trojan horse.

01:36:29.000 Right.

01:36:29.000 And I told him, that's what I said too, is I said, you know, sportsmen don't support 622 either.

01:36:35.000 Do girls get mad when you call it sportsmen? 1.00

01:36:37.000 Probably.

01:36:38.000 Is there another word?

01:36:40.000 Outdoors people?

01:36:42.000 Sports people?

01:36:43.000 You can't say sports people.

01:36:44.000 You're like, what?

01:36:44.000 Lacrosse players?

01:36:45.000 I'm so sick of that.

01:36:47.000 Are you?

01:36:48.000 It's because you're a man.

01:36:49.000 Your male privilege is showing. 1.00

01:36:50.000 Son of a bitch. 1.00

01:36:51.000 I thought it was white privilege. 1.00

01:36:53.000 That too.

01:36:53.000 Oh.

01:36:54.000 You gotta have it all.

01:36:55.000 American privilege, white privilege, cisgender privilege. 0.98

01:36:58.000 Peanut butter and jelly, racist. 0.96

01:37:00.000 Yeah, peanut butter and jelly is racist. 0.85

01:37:03.000 I didn't even know what that was about.

01:37:06.000 All I saw was your post and the headline.

01:37:08.000 It didn't surprise me though.

01:37:10.000 People think that peanut butter and jelly is racist.

01:37:12.000 This is how deep it gets, because white people eat peanut butter and jelly, whereas black people don't necessarily eat peanut butter and jelly, so to have peanut butter and jelly as a food choice in school for kids is racist.

01:37:26.000 Because other ethnic groups don't necessarily eat peanut butter and jelly. 1.00

01:37:32.000 What in the fuck? 0.99

01:37:34.000 Well, first of all, who doesn't like peanut butter and jelly? 1.00

01:37:39.000 Some communists, I think.

01:37:40.000 Maybe Chinese folks. 1.00

01:37:42.000 Child molesters.

01:37:44.000 Hunters probably don't. 0.79

01:37:45.000 Yeah, that guy from that movie that molested that girl.

01:37:49.000 Yeah, who? 0.78

01:37:49.000 North Koreans, maybe? 0.78

01:37:50.000 Maybe the most evil ones? 0.99

01:37:52.000 Maybe they don't like peanut butter and jelly?

01:37:53.000 Probably. 1.00

01:37:54.000 Fuck. 1.00

01:37:54.000 I don't know. 1.00

01:37:55.000 It's ridiculous. 0.91

01:37:55.000 It's delicious food choice. 0.91

01:37:57.000 People are just working too hard to be offended.

01:37:59.000 That's...

01:38:00.000 You're exactly 100% correct right there.

01:38:03.000 People are working too hard to be offended.

01:38:05.000 Yeah.

01:38:06.000 Yeah, there's a lot of folks out there that are just looking for something to get ticked off at.

01:38:11.000 It's...

01:38:12.000 It's too easy.

01:38:13.000 It's too easy to get by. 0.93

01:38:14.000 You know, and I think that's also something that happens when life is too fucking easy.

01:38:20.000 There's not enough struggle.

01:38:21.000 We were talking about kids and about putting your kids through difficult things so they understand accomplishing goals and they understand how things aren't easy.

01:38:30.000 You have to struggle through stuff and how it's hard today because You know, you're doing well.

01:38:37.000 I'm doing well.

01:38:38.000 Our kids are fine.

01:38:39.000 They don't have to worry about where food's coming from.

01:38:41.000 It's going to be there.

01:38:41.000 You open the fridge.

01:38:42.000 There's the food.

01:38:44.000 So you have to figure out, like, okay, how do you get this kid to understand and appreciate the value of a difficult task, overcoming that difficult task, and feeling that good feeling that you have of building character and knowing, yeah, I can push through something like you had to do during that tough hunt.

01:39:01.000 Very difficult.

01:39:02.000 Questioning yourself.

01:39:03.000 Then finally, success.

01:39:05.000 And then you have that good feeling, the good feeling of success and of accomplishment and of realizing that you will fight those demons in your mind and that you will stay the course and keep hammering, as it were, and get through on the other end with success.

01:39:19.000 And you've done it before. 0.66

01:39:20.000 And even though you've been doing it for fucking decades, those questions still come to your mind. 0.97

01:39:26.000 For me personally, that's why I work as hard as I do, just because You get wake-up calls like that and you're just like, okay, I gotta be on my A-game. 0.96

01:39:35.000 Well, it's one of the reasons why I like doing really difficult things, which leads me to what you've got me into is running. 0.96

01:39:41.000 I've been fucking running lately. 0.95

01:39:42.000 I run all the time now, man. 1.00

01:39:44.000 I run fucking hills. 0.99

01:39:45.000 It's crazy. 1.00

01:39:46.000 I run hills.

01:39:47.000 I put a backpack on with a weight plate on. 1.00

01:39:50.000 I fucking walk hills. 0.99

01:39:51.000 I'm like, what am I doing? 0.99

01:39:53.000 So how often are you running?

01:39:54.000 Several days a week.

01:39:55.000 Really?

01:39:55.000 Yeah, depending on whether or not I'm home.

01:39:57.000 Like that route that we did?

01:39:59.000 Yep.

01:39:59.000 I do that route, and I also do that steep hill near my house.

01:40:02.000 Yeah.

01:40:03.000 I do that.

01:40:03.000 There's a couple different routes that I go.

01:40:05.000 How is it?

01:40:06.000 I mean, is it easier than... 1.00

01:40:07.000 Easier, but it still sucks a fat dick. 1.00

01:40:10.000 That's what I was about to say. 1.00

01:40:13.000 That's running.

01:40:13.000 Hey, that could be a shirt.

01:40:15.000 Running sucks a fat dick. 1.00

01:40:16.000 But I love it. 1.00

01:40:20.000 Whoops.

01:40:21.000 It's definitely slightly easier.

01:40:24.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:40:25.000 But you remember that fucking steep, steep hill. 0.99

01:40:28.000 Once you get to the bottom and then you go back up. 0.99

01:40:31.000 That's awesome.

01:40:32.000 It is awesome.

01:40:33.000 But it is always hard.

01:40:35.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:40:35.000 It's never easy.

01:40:37.000 Yeah.

01:40:37.000 When I'm getting to the top of that thing, but I can make it all the way up to the top now.

01:40:40.000 Can you?

01:40:41.000 I don't have to stop.

01:40:41.000 Really?

01:40:42.000 Yeah, I can make it all the way up to the top.

01:40:42.000 Oh, that's good.

01:40:43.000 That's awesome. 0.99

01:40:44.000 It's fucking brutal. 0.98

01:40:45.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:40:45.000 But I made sure that I could get there. 0.99

01:40:47.000 Fuck, it's hard. 0.99

01:40:48.000 But you did mention that it has helped your cardio and other things. 1.00

01:40:52.000 Oh, dude.

01:40:53.000 Well, that's one thing that I noticed.

01:40:55.000 I didn't kickbox for a couple of weeks because I'd been too busy doing other stuff, and I wanted to keep with the running because I was getting some progress out of it.

01:41:07.000 I was seeing progress.

01:41:08.000 And then I started going back into some of my other workouts.

01:41:12.000 It didn't affect my weightlifting at all, my kettlebell workouts at all.

01:41:16.000 Man kickboxing it really affected it.

01:41:18.000 Yeah, it affected it a real positive way cuz I'm doing all hills Yeah, so I'm basically sprinting a lot.

01:41:24.000 Yeah, and heart rates Jacked spiked.

01:41:27.000 Yeah.

01:41:27.000 Yeah, and so when I was I was doing rounds in the bag the other day I was like Jesus I got a lot of wind.

01:41:32.000 Yeah, it's kind of crazy.

01:41:33.000 That's awesome Yeah, I was like deep into like the third and fourth round and I was still slamming the bag and I was like this is weird Like I've got like an extra gear here did have you dropped any weight?

01:41:44.000 Yeah, I've dropped a few pounds.

01:41:45.000 I'm probably like somewhere between 194 and 196 where I was hovering around 200. But I've dropped down before just by my diet, which got shitty again.

01:41:56.000 Got shitty again when I went to Mexico.

01:41:58.000 I gained like eight pounds in a week in Mexico. 0.94

01:42:02.000 Beer and Mexican food.

01:42:04.000 That's not good.

01:42:05.000 That's not good for weight control?

01:42:06.000 That's weird.

01:42:07.000 It's definitely not.

01:42:08.000 Sure tastes good though.

01:42:10.000 Well, I haven't been doing jiu-jitsu very much.

01:42:12.000 When I do jiu-jitsu a lot, the weight just flies off.

01:42:16.000 I could eat anything.

01:42:17.000 I could eat a horse.

01:42:19.000 But jiu-jitsu is just so calorie intensive.

01:42:23.000 The way it burns, you're just fighting for your life.

01:42:28.000 What's your running goal?

01:42:31.000 Um, I don't have a running goal.

01:42:33.000 I just I'm definitely going to keep doing it and keep getting in better shape and then if Something if I decide okay, I need something to strive for yeah, then here's my goal Okay, I'm gonna do the keep hammering 5k next year and fucking kick ass at it There you go instead of this year when I did it where I was like,

01:42:52.000 oh Jesus, this is hard zero running.

01:42:55.000 How about this guy?

01:42:56.000 Oh Almost 25 seconds short of the two-hour marathon barrier.

01:43:01.000 So crazy.

01:43:01.000 He did break the world record, though.

01:43:04.000 That's so fast.

01:43:04.000 He broke the new world record two hours and 25 seconds, I believe it was.

01:43:09.000 So he was only 25 seconds short of breaking what people think is this unattainable record.

01:43:15.000 That's insane.

01:43:16.000 He'll break it, or someone like him will break it.

01:43:18.000 Oh, somebody will.

01:43:19.000 Yeah, but it's so close.

01:43:21.000 So Nike is apparently like... 0.97

01:43:22.000 Maybe you will.

01:43:23.000 Yeah, I don't think so.

01:43:26.000 That guy.

01:43:27.000 They're all built the same way.

01:43:28.000 I know.

01:43:29.000 They're all built like popsicle sticks.

01:43:30.000 It was super humid when he was running this, too.

01:43:32.000 It was like 70% humidity, which isn't ideal.

01:43:34.000 No, that's high.

01:43:34.000 So it's like breathing hot water.

01:43:36.000 That's high.

01:43:37.000 Well, that probably could have been the 20 seconds, right?

01:43:39.000 Oh, for sure.

01:43:40.000 Maybe they could do that in Seattle in the winter.

01:43:42.000 The course he was running on is in Milan, I guess.

01:43:45.000 There's an article I just read yesterday.

01:43:46.000 I think it was on TechCrunch, maybe, or Wired.

01:43:49.000 Somebody, like a writer for there, was trying to break a half marathon, and he wanted to see if he could break a 90-minute half marathon.

01:43:56.000 It was his first time running on that course and he broke up like two and a half minutes.

01:43:59.000 So there's something special about that course too.

01:44:02.000 It's like a mile and a half track.

01:44:04.000 I don't know why you'd be able to run faster necessarily there, but you can.

01:44:08.000 And those shoes they made too are something special.

01:44:09.000 What's the deal with the shoes?

01:44:12.000 Something super special, training.

01:44:15.000 I don't know exactly.

01:44:15.000 You can't buy them yet.

01:44:16.000 You can only win them off a raffle for now.

01:44:18.000 Maybe if he had Under Armour, he would have won.

01:44:20.000 That's it.

01:44:21.000 Maybe.

01:44:21.000 Yeah, that could have been the difference.

01:44:22.000 Give me those Keep Hammerin' shoes. 1.00

01:44:24.000 If you had Under Armour, Keep Hammerin' shoes that you could get at Under Armour.com.

01:44:27.000 Can you get your Keep Hammerin' shoes?

01:44:29.000 Can you buy them anywhere?

01:44:30.000 I don't think so. 0.99

01:44:30.000 What the fuck, Under Armour? 0.99

01:44:31.000 Get on the ball. 1.00

01:44:32.000 And you can't buy my three-button shirt I always wear either.

01:44:36.000 Yeah, well, that's a rare thing.

01:44:38.000 A shirt with buttons.

01:44:39.000 You should keep that away from the public.

01:44:41.000 Super important.

01:44:42.000 We are...

01:44:44.000 I don't know when it's going to be released, but the Cameron Haynes line is coming out.

01:44:49.000 Yeah, the Cameron Haynes Under Armour UA Hunt line, right?

01:44:51.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:44:52.000 Awesome.

01:44:53.000 And you're going to have a say in how it's designed?

01:44:55.000 Oh, yeah.

01:44:55.000 It's awesome.

01:44:56.000 The boots are amazing.

01:44:58.000 Yeah?

01:44:58.000 Yeah.

01:44:59.000 Beautiful.

01:44:59.000 Boots, camo shorts, pants...

01:45:06.000 Base layer, hoodie, jacket.

01:45:08.000 It's killer.

01:45:09.000 And when is this all this stuff?

01:45:10.000 You don't know when it's coming out?

01:45:11.000 No, I don't know.

01:45:12.000 But they're in the development stage right now?

01:45:14.000 Yeah, I think they texted me when I was in Australia and said they have samples in for me.

01:45:18.000 Well, it was awesome when you took over the UA Hunt page on Instagram.

01:45:21.000 You're going to do more of that now, right?

01:45:22.000 Because I talked to Brian Offit.

01:45:24.000 Brian, we're going to get on the ball with this.

01:45:27.000 Yeah, I mean, when I took it over, the week that I took over, there was...

01:45:31.000 So if you look at impressions on Instagram, it went up 3 million.

01:45:34.000 That seems like a good thing, Brian.

01:45:37.000 Isn't it?

01:45:38.000 Are we waiting?

01:45:39.000 We're waiting for a response.

01:45:40.000 Looking at Brian.

01:45:41.000 Here?

01:45:41.000 Looking at him in the camera.

01:45:42.000 Brian, what's up?

01:45:43.000 You can look at him up there.

01:45:44.000 Oh, what's up?

01:45:47.000 Yeah, so, no.

01:45:50.000 And when Adam took it over, when we were on that Australia hunt, it went up like, they went from...

01:45:56.000 What was it?

01:45:58.000 493,000 to 502,000 followers.

01:46:00.000 So, pretty good jump.

01:46:02.000 Yeah, that's a good jump.

01:46:03.000 Yeah, I posted it on Instagram, too.

01:46:05.000 Yeah, and it's just a matter of putting out interesting content.

01:46:08.000 Yeah.

01:46:09.000 Well, that's what I was saying.

01:46:10.000 Like, the Instagram story was nice, but I would have really loved it if you guys were streaming, if there was a way to stream, like, more often.

01:46:17.000 Like, if you had, like, very specific moments where you're streaming.

01:46:19.000 Yeah.

01:46:20.000 And I think that as technology advances, especially...

01:46:22.000 Did you see what Elon Musk is trying to do?

01:46:25.000 He's trying to fill the world with one gigabyte internet.

01:46:28.000 What he's going to do is launch satellites into the air that's going to allow people to have... 0.94

01:46:32.000 One gigabyte is fucking insanely fast.

01:46:35.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:46:35.000 And if that happens, you can stream live from anywhere.

01:46:39.000 But say goodbye to privacy, by the way. 0.97

01:46:41.000 There's going to be drones filming people fucking right outside their window. 0.97

01:46:45.000 It's going to get really crazy. 0.99

01:46:46.000 Live.

01:46:47.000 But what's going to be interesting is you can be in a place like where you were, and you could...

01:46:52.000 You know, call people from your phone, you could film things, you could stream live, and all that stuff would be available, and you would have real internet access in the bush.

01:47:02.000 And that's what people, people like that, I mean, they're already asking, when's the film coming out?

01:47:06.000 You know, we filmed this, Mark Womack, his company, Sub-7, filmed it for Under Armour, and we're like, we gotta turn this thing around fast, and I saw Under Armour put up that's gonna come out in the fall, and I'm like, fall? 0.98

01:47:17.000 Fuck that, Under Armour. 1.00

01:47:18.000 Bullshit. 1.00

01:47:19.000 Listen, it's fucking May. 1.00

01:47:24.000 Chop, chop. 1.00

01:47:25.000 People don't have patience anymore.

01:47:26.000 I don't have patience anymore.

01:47:27.000 I don't either.

01:47:28.000 I would like you to finish the sentence quicker, please.

01:47:30.000 I saw Mark Womack.

01:47:33.000 We got off the plane together in L.A. here, and I'm like, hey, you get that movie done or what?

01:47:39.000 He's like, On the plane.

01:47:40.000 Yeah.

01:47:41.000 He said he was working.

01:47:42.000 He had been editing.

01:47:43.000 So I'm like, all right, let's get that thing posted.

01:47:46.000 So I don't know.

01:47:47.000 I mean, people are primed for it right now.

01:47:49.000 They've followed along and are super invested in it.

01:47:52.000 And it'd be awesome to get it out quick.

01:47:54.000 Well, listen, I'm your manager now.

01:47:55.000 So I'm going to make some calls.

01:47:57.000 We've already decided.

01:47:58.000 We're going to make things happen quicker.

01:48:00.000 Yeah.

01:48:00.000 You got me running.

01:48:01.000 You got me doing a lot of shit, dude. 0.99

01:48:03.000 You got me doing a lot of things that I didn't think I'd be doing. 0.99

01:48:05.000 Oh, that's awesome.

01:48:06.000 So I owe you.

01:48:07.000 I owe you too for giving me this.

01:48:12.000 I really do think that it's made a big impact and I think you and Rinella and Remy Warren and Adam and the people that I've had on and Jim Shockey and you know, real representatives of the noble pursuit.

01:48:28.000 The real Hardcore enthusiasts that truly have a deep love of nature.

01:48:37.000 And they're giving these people this platform and giving these people this way to communicate these ideas.

01:48:43.000 I think the millions and millions of people that have listened to you guys, it's changed perception.

01:48:48.000 And I think that perception, there's a ripple effect.

01:48:51.000 And that perception is going to lead people to maybe read your book or read maybe Rinella's book, Meat Eater, or maybe listen to some of these books on tape or maybe look into Aldo Leopold or look into some of these people that have really been...

01:49:08.000 These huge figures in conservation and the love of wildlife and hunting, and they'll get a different understanding of it than people have had because of movies like that split movie where the hunters are portrayed as a child molester.

01:49:21.000 Well, it's like right now, you know, you said hunting was dying or, you know, that was the fear.

01:49:26.000 And now, like, in my Instagram page, it's 20-year-old guys, you know, that are into it and are buying bows and the bow rack back home is packed and, you know...

01:49:38.000 Eva Shockey and I will do appearances and we have a line that goes for hours, you know, young girls waiting for her because she's a hunter, you know, and her book coming out, Taking Aim, is about that lifestyle.

01:49:51.000 So, I mean, I feel like we're sort of turning the corner maybe a little bit and so we just keep that momentum going.

01:49:57.000 I think for sure it's turning the corner.

01:49:59.000 I mean, as far as what I see and the communication that I get with people online, I mean, the bow rack, are they experiencing an up jump in sales?

01:50:07.000 Yeah, I mean, Wayne, the other day, I can't even remember what day it was, but he sold something like 40 bows.

01:50:16.000 In a day.

01:50:17.000 In a day.

01:50:17.000 That's crazy.

01:50:18.000 Yeah.

01:50:19.000 That's like, for folks who don't know, that's like $50,000 plus in bows in a day.

01:50:24.000 And bows are a specialized thing.

01:50:26.000 It's not something that people, you know, it's a very, there's a steep learning curve to get involved.

01:50:33.000 You know, like we were talking about it, about if there was a Hoyt Academy.

01:50:37.000 Yeah.

01:50:38.000 In California, if there's a place to go, there's not a whole lot of places to go.

01:50:42.000 Like when you took Scott Eastwood, you went to that place down in Riverside?

01:50:45.000 Yeah.

01:50:46.000 Riverside, R Street?

01:50:46.000 Is that what it was?

01:50:47.000 Yeah.

01:50:47.000 There's a few great places like that.

01:50:49.000 Yeah.

01:50:50.000 But there's 30 million people here, and there might be five of those spots.

01:50:55.000 Yeah.

01:50:55.000 You know, I would love it if Hoyt had a place...

01:50:58.000 Where ideally they had more than one place, you know, where people could go and you would get fitted, they would find out what's your proper draw length, you know, what weight should you start at, what weight arrows should you start at, someone could teach you what the proper form is,

01:51:16.000 how to release an arrow correctly, and really understand, I mean, even if someone never wants to hunt.

01:51:22.000 Just understand the meditative and beautiful effect of just launching an arrow at a target and have it hit that X. The Witchery of Archery.

01:51:31.000 Witchery? 0.90

01:51:32.000 Yeah.

01:51:32.000 Is it witchery?

01:51:33.000 That's a book.

01:51:34.000 Oh, really?

01:51:34.000 Or The Witchcraft of Archery.

01:51:36.000 Oh.

01:51:36.000 Or Zen and the Art of Archery is a great book as well.

01:51:39.000 I think that's a book, The Witchcraft of Archery.

01:51:41.000 Can you look that up?

01:51:42.000 I'm almost positive I read it.

01:51:45.000 Really?

01:51:48.000 Jamie, come on, help me out.

01:51:50.000 You're leaving me hanging.

01:51:51.000 The witchcraft of archery.

01:51:54.000 Is it?

01:51:54.000 No.

01:51:56.000 Yes.

01:51:57.000 Nope.

01:51:58.000 Yes.

01:51:59.000 Come on.

01:52:00.000 It's probably only one copy.

01:52:04.000 The guy handed it to you.

01:52:05.000 I'm going to look it up.

01:52:05.000 I wrote this.

01:52:06.000 Oh, you don't believe him.

01:52:07.000 Wow.

01:52:08.000 The Witchcraft of Archery.

01:52:09.000 Here we go.

01:52:11.000 Witchcraft of Archery.

01:52:12.000 Witchcraft plus Archery.

01:52:14.000 Classes.

01:52:15.000 Book.

01:52:15.000 It's not looking good, is it?

01:52:16.000 Archery.

01:52:16.000 Witchcraft.

01:52:17.000 Pagan.

01:52:18.000 Sports and the Witch.

01:52:20.000 Spellwork.

01:52:21.000 Oh, no.

01:52:23.000 Nope.

01:52:24.000 Not looking good.

01:52:24.000 It's not looking good.

01:52:26.000 The witchcraft of archers according to the famous...

01:52:28.000 I thought I read something like that.

01:52:31.000 Interesting.

01:52:32.000 Okay, can we edit this part out?

01:52:34.000 Nope.

01:52:36.000 Just kidding.

01:52:38.000 The sorcery of archery.

01:52:40.000 Yeah, it's a beautiful discipline.

01:52:42.000 I mean, even if someone never chooses...

01:52:44.000 And honestly, if you really want to get into hunting, just straight up hunting, you probably should start with a rifle anyway.

01:52:50.000 It's a far easier way to do it.

01:52:52.000 No.

01:52:53.000 No.

01:52:53.000 Don't say that.

01:52:54.000 Or wear earplugs if you do do it.

01:52:56.000 You don't want to blow your ears out.

01:52:57.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:52:58.000 Another problem that I'm running into is a lot of people who have been hunting for a good portion of their life have bad hearing.

01:53:04.000 I know.

01:53:05.000 My ears ring all the time from when I rifle hunted.

01:53:07.000 That's crazy.

01:53:08.000 When I was just a kid because I used to go shoot my.300 Winchester Magnum up at the rock pit.

01:53:12.000 Boom! 0.99

01:53:13.000 I mean, this thing was so loud and I used to love shooting. 1.00

01:53:15.000 And I was like, oh, you're a pussy if you were... 1.00

01:53:17.000 I mean, nobody wore hearing protection. 1.00

01:53:20.000 Isn't that crazy?

01:53:20.000 It was just like nobody wore bike helmets either.

01:53:22.000 You know what I mean?

01:53:23.000 Right.

01:53:23.000 So it was the same type of thing, but now my ears just ring.

01:53:26.000 All the time?

01:53:27.000 Yeah, all the time.

01:53:27.000 That shows your taste in music.

01:53:29.000 That's why.

01:53:30.000 Why?

01:53:30.000 That's why I listen to some of your Instagram stories, listen to the music you're listening to.

01:53:33.000 I'm like, Jesus Christ.

01:53:35.000 No, that's good music.

01:53:36.000 Oh, his ears are ringing.

01:53:37.000 When your ears are ringing, it sounds better.

01:53:40.000 Like...

01:53:42.000 What, the country or the rap or what?

01:53:44.000 Some of the rap you listen to.

01:53:46.000 No, the rap is good.

01:53:47.000 Me and Adam, we drove to Sydney for two hours, and I think we listened to...

01:53:54.000 Kendrick Lamar, his new song, like, probably 20 times.

01:53:59.000 Wow, in a row?

01:54:00.000 Yes.

01:54:01.000 Did you guys, like, sing the words along?

01:54:03.000 Sort of.

01:54:04.000 Did you sing along with the N-word?

01:54:07.000 Or do you guys get silent during that part?

01:54:09.000 Just kind of...

01:54:14.000 That's a funny thing, man, with white people. 0.93

01:54:16.000 Like, what are we supposed to do?

01:54:18.000 What are we supposed to do when it gets to that part of the song?

01:54:21.000 I know.

01:54:22.000 It's called Be Humble.

01:54:23.000 Oh, Be Humble.

01:54:24.000 That's a song.

01:54:25.000 No, that's a song.

01:54:26.000 Oh.

01:54:26.000 Be Humble.

01:54:27.000 And then Be Humble, too, when the N-word comes up.

01:54:29.000 Just doesn't realize. 0.99

01:54:32.000 It's actually Be Humble, Bitch, Be Humble. 1.00

01:54:34.000 Oh, really? 0.99

01:54:34.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:54:35.000 It's a good one.

01:54:36.000 That's a mixed message.

01:54:37.000 Do you know that one, Jamie?

01:54:38.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:54:39.000 I was gonna ask you how they liked that new album down in Australia.

01:54:43.000 The Kendrick Lamar?

01:54:44.000 Yeah, the Kendrick, yeah.

01:54:45.000 Did he know about it until you brought it up to him?

01:54:47.000 Well, no, he made fun of me always putting my music on the Instastory.

01:54:52.000 That you used rap a lot?

01:54:53.000 No.

01:54:54.000 You like a lot of rap, though.

01:54:55.000 Yeah, and country.

01:54:56.000 That's kind of what I listen to.

01:54:57.000 But then he had this song, and I'm like, okay, hey, where the hell do you think you learned this song from?

01:55:02.000 From me.

01:55:03.000 And what did he say?

01:55:04.000 I don't know.

01:55:05.000 I made something out.

01:55:05.000 Yeah.

01:55:06.000 He probably lied.

01:55:06.000 Are there any Australian rappers?

01:55:09.000 I think there are.

01:55:10.000 Not that anybody knows, but I remember we had the radio on down there, and there was some rap on there that I had no idea what it was, so it has to be from there.

01:55:21.000 Well, there's so many different rappers now, though.

01:55:24.000 There's no way you could know all the stuff.

01:55:26.000 It's like we've reached a weird saturation point with music where there is no God.

01:55:31.000 I mean, every year they're coming out with new music.

01:55:33.000 Yeah, I know, but you get used to certain sounds or certain styles, and this was something I've listened to a lot.

01:55:43.000 I was in Brazil.

01:55:44.000 You were in Brazil with me.

01:55:46.000 But one time when I was in Brazil, I was listening to some rap music, some Brazilian rap.

01:55:50.000 I was like, this is badass. 0.77

01:55:51.000 I hope what they're saying isn't stupid, because I don't understand Portuguese, but it sounds badass.

01:55:57.000 I think it would be great to work out to. 0.85

01:56:00.000 It's not as distracting.

01:56:02.000 Right.

01:56:02.000 Like if their lyrics are corny.

01:56:03.000 Yeah.

01:56:04.000 Yeah.

01:56:05.000 I don't know.

01:56:06.000 I don't know.

01:56:07.000 But I think there is Australian rap.

01:56:09.000 But it's not Kendrick Lamar.

01:56:11.000 Be humble.

01:56:14.000 Iggy Azalea is the, right now, most famous one.

01:56:17.000 But Iggy Azalea, she's from there? 1.00

01:56:19.000 She's from Australia? 0.98

01:56:20.000 Oh.

01:56:22.000 She's white.

01:56:23.000 White privilege. 0.76

01:56:24.000 Don't they have any black people over there? 0.97

01:56:26.000 They do, right? 0.92

01:56:27.000 But expats.

01:56:29.000 American expats sneak over there.

01:56:31.000 Yeah, I'm not sure.

01:56:33.000 Okay.

01:56:35.000 That's one of the few places I would live outside of America.

01:56:37.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:56:37.000 Like, if the shit hit the fan. 1.00

01:56:39.000 That's nice there. 1.00

01:56:39.000 Canada and Australia. 1.00

01:56:40.000 Those are my spots.

01:56:41.000 Yeah, it's cool.

01:56:42.000 I mean, Sydney's traffic is ridiculous, though.

01:56:44.000 You know why? 1.00

01:56:45.000 They fucking drive on the wrong side of the road. 0.99

01:56:47.000 They're all confused. 1.00

01:56:48.000 Yeah, that's true.

01:56:48.000 They're all around the left, like, what are you doing over here?

01:56:51.000 Go over there.

01:56:52.000 Go over there.

01:56:53.000 Let's switch this around.

01:56:54.000 Everybody.

01:56:54.000 That's probably why it's all messed up.

01:56:56.000 Yeah.

01:56:56.000 Like, look, the roads are in place.

01:56:57.000 Everything.

01:56:58.000 You've got roads in the right spot.

01:56:59.000 Yeah.

01:57:00.000 Drive on the other side.

01:57:01.000 Yeah.

01:57:01.000 Simple fix.

01:57:02.000 Yeah.

01:57:02.000 Simple fix.

01:57:03.000 How is Sydney so traffic filled?

01:57:05.000 I mean, how many people live in Sydney?

01:57:08.000 Five million.

01:57:09.000 Whoa, that's crazy.

01:57:11.000 Yep.

01:57:11.000 Five million.

01:57:12.000 That's crazy.

01:57:13.000 Okay, think of that, because there's 30 million people in all of Australia, right?

01:57:19.000 Or is it less?

01:57:20.000 I think it's a little less.

01:57:21.000 Probably less.

01:57:22.000 Okay, let's say it's 20 million.

01:57:23.000 So that would be like if there was 75 million in Los Angeles.

01:57:32.000 Yeah, that percentage of the population.

01:57:34.000 More than that.

01:57:34.000 It'd be more.

01:57:35.000 It'd be like 80 million.

01:57:36.000 Like 80 million people just in Los Angeles.

01:57:40.000 There's only like a few big cities.

01:57:42.000 I mean, like Melbourne, or I probably said it wrong.

01:57:46.000 23.78 million in all of Australia.

01:57:48.000 And five are in Sydney.

01:57:50.000 Jesus Christ, that's crazy.

01:57:52.000 25% of the entire population.

01:57:54.000 It's a beautiful city, though.

01:57:55.000 I love it.

01:57:56.000 Sydney's really awesome.

01:57:58.000 Yeah.

01:57:58.000 No, it's great.

01:57:59.000 It's just, we were going to go to the bow shop And I said, you know, I go to the boat shops in Sydney, right?

01:58:04.000 He's like, yeah.

01:58:05.000 I said, how long is it going to take to get there?

01:58:07.000 So we did it on the MapQuest thing or whatever.

01:58:09.000 An hour.

01:58:10.000 I said, this is like L.A. This sucks. 0.99

01:58:13.000 An hour. 1.00

01:58:13.000 It's in the same city. 1.00

01:58:15.000 I didn't expect that.

01:58:16.000 Well, up there in Eugene, everything is fine. 0.99

01:58:19.000 You don't have to worry about shit up there. 0.99

01:58:21.000 You got two lane roads. 0.99

01:58:22.000 There's no cars.

01:58:23.000 If you don't make it through one traffic light cycle, you're like...

01:58:26.000 What the hell is going on?

01:58:28.000 I gotta wait? 1.00

01:58:28.000 This is bullshit! 1.00

01:58:30.000 Well, you get used to a place like that, man. 1.00

01:58:33.000 You know, and life is nice and calm and it feels different.

01:58:37.000 Like, life feels different in a small town.

01:58:39.000 It's like, there's a...

01:58:41.000 I feel like... 0.98

01:58:42.000 This is some woo-woo spiritual bullshit that I have no science behind whatsoever. 0.98

01:58:47.000 Okay. 0.98

01:58:47.000 But I feel like people give off energy. 0.98

01:58:49.000 And I feel like cities, whether or not something's happening or not, the amount of humans in there, there's a certain amount of energy that you feel.

01:58:56.000 And when you're in a smaller town, you're calmer.

01:58:59.000 Yeah.

01:59:00.000 I really believe that.

01:59:01.000 I feel like there's less...

01:59:03.000 And I don't think it's just the activity, just cars.

01:59:07.000 I think it's the actual amount of humans in an area.

01:59:10.000 Like, there's some sort of a psychic energy that they give off.

01:59:15.000 You're not buying it.

01:59:17.000 I don't know.

01:59:17.000 Jamie's not buying it either.

01:59:18.000 Maybe.

01:59:19.000 The Witchery of Archery.

01:59:20.000 Ha ha! 0.86

01:59:20.000 Maurice Thompson. 0.86

01:59:21.000 I knew it.

01:59:22.000 I have that book.

01:59:24.000 1878. Wow.

01:59:25.000 See?

01:59:27.000 What is witchery?

01:59:27.000 Is that a real word?

01:59:28.000 I told you.

01:59:30.000 I was right.

01:59:30.000 You were right.

01:59:31.000 Thank you.

01:59:31.000 I'm redeemed.

01:59:33.000 Five out of five stars in Barnes& Noble.

01:59:35.000 It's a good book.

01:59:37.000 Wow.

01:59:37.000 So it's in Barnes& Noble?

01:59:39.000 Yes.

01:59:40.000 Can I get it on a Kindle?

01:59:41.000 Find out if I can get it on a Kindle.

01:59:44.000 Mm.

01:59:45.000 Yeah.

01:59:45.000 Witchery varchery.

01:59:46.000 Speaking of a whole different...

01:59:48.000 I don't know what you just said, but I'll be in my cubicle tomorrow.

01:59:54.000 No, you won't.

01:59:55.000 You got to quit that job, dude.

01:59:57.000 Today?

01:59:57.000 Yeah.

01:59:58.000 Should I just call right now?

02:00:00.000 Let me call for you.

02:00:01.000 Oh, yeah, you're my manager.

02:00:02.000 Yeah, I'm your manager.

02:00:03.000 Kindle, nice.

02:00:04.000 $5.99.

02:00:05.000 I'm getting it.

02:00:06.000 Thank you.

02:00:07.000 Thank you, young Jamie.

02:00:07.000 The witchery of archery.

02:00:09.000 And if my fucking Kindle, and I try to enter it in, it's like, nope, nothing exists. 1.00

02:00:12.000 I'm like, listen, bitch. 0.99

02:00:14.000 I've already gone through this. 1.00

02:00:16.000 All right.

02:00:16.000 Yeah, it's so crazy that you keep a full-time job.

02:00:19.000 It's just, I don't understand how you do it.

02:00:21.000 And that's also what a lot of people that get involved in hunting, the amount of time that it takes.

02:00:26.000 Like, people don't have the time.

02:00:28.000 Like, I was listening to Jason Carter on some podcast.

02:00:31.000 He was talking about pursuing one individual buck for like two weeks.

02:00:35.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:00:36.000 And I was like, who the fuck has two weeks to go after one animal? 0.99

02:00:39.000 Yeah, that's tough. 0.99

02:00:40.000 Like, this is crazy.

02:00:41.000 Who's got that kind of time?

02:00:42.000 Yeah.

02:00:43.000 Only like a real crazy pro type character.

02:00:48.000 It takes time.

02:00:51.000 Even just the dedication to regular practice takes time for archery.

02:00:57.000 That's the next level.

02:00:59.000 There's no...

02:00:59.000 I mean, archery is...

02:01:01.000 It really is, in terms of hunting, it really is the ultimate pursuit.

02:01:06.000 The ultimate in difficulty.

02:01:08.000 But I stop at the compound thing.

02:01:10.000 People are like, you've got to try traditional archery. 0.99

02:01:12.000 Compound archery is for pussies. 1.00

02:01:14.000 Settle down. 0.99

02:01:15.000 Yeah.

02:01:16.000 Enough is enough. 1.00

02:01:17.000 How about kill it with a rock? 1.00

02:01:18.000 How about you kill it with a rock like a cave person did? 1.00

02:01:20.000 Why are you wearing shoes, pussy? 1.00

02:01:22.000 Cave people didn't wear shoes. 1.00

02:01:23.000 I was wondering...

02:01:24.000 Yeah, I know.

02:01:25.000 I was wondering how anybody would kill with a recurve where I was hunting because I said my 245 feet per second bow was slow.

02:01:31.000 Right.

02:01:31.000 That'd be super fast for a traditional bow.

02:01:34.000 Oh, yeah.

02:01:35.000 So, I mean, I could imagine what those deer...

02:01:37.000 They'd just, I don't know.

02:01:38.000 It'd be very tough.

02:01:40.000 Very tough.

02:01:40.000 Out of that tree, you probably could.

02:01:42.000 Oh, well, they wouldn't know you were there?

02:01:44.000 Yeah.

02:01:44.000 But it sounds like the area you were in, they were very unnaturally hyped up.

02:01:49.000 Like, they were unnaturally wired because they've been hunted by so many people.

02:01:52.000 I think they're just normally wired, but when people kill them is when they're rutting.

02:01:57.000 You know, and so they're distracted because it's a breeding season.

02:02:00.000 So this is post-rut.

02:02:02.000 Those bucks are not even with does at all, and they're, you know, just tuned in.

02:02:09.000 But during the rut, it would be easier.

02:02:11.000 It would just be like hunting elk during the rut as opposed to not.

02:02:14.000 Or hunting a dude at a club with a boner.

02:02:17.000 Right?

02:02:18.000 People get distracted.

02:02:19.000 I've never hunted a dude with a boner.

02:02:21.000 I'm glad.

02:02:22.000 I'm glad to hear that.

02:02:23.000 I was wondering.

02:02:24.000 I have questions.

02:02:25.000 Sometimes I beat around the bush to get to the answer.

02:02:29.000 Oh, I got what you're doing right there.

02:02:35.000 Yeah, it's funny how these different animals have, like, different seasons that they come into.

02:02:42.000 Like, the idea that only one time a year they breed.

02:02:45.000 Like, they're a mammal.

02:02:46.000 It's not like a dog. 1.00

02:02:47.000 Like, dogs want to fuck all the time. 0.99

02:02:49.000 But, like, deer, one time a year. 0.99

02:02:51.000 Yeah.

02:02:52.000 Everything starts popping.

02:02:53.000 Nature says, listen, this is how it works.

02:02:55.000 You want to have a baby in the spring.

02:02:57.000 It's a way to do this.

02:02:58.000 You got to do it in the fall.

02:02:59.000 Yeah.

02:02:59.000 Okay.

02:02:59.000 In the fall, you got to get cracking.

02:03:01.000 And then she's got to take some time to cook up that baby and drop that baby in the spring. 1.00

02:03:07.000 Life's good.

02:03:07.000 But it's bizarre.

02:03:09.000 Yeah.

02:03:10.000 There's actually some bucks that were, they call it croaking, which is grunting.

02:03:16.000 They weren't really the full rut, but some does that didn't get bred the first season, if they don't get bred, they come back into heat.

02:03:24.000 So we call them second cycle does.

02:03:26.000 They were coming in, so the bucks, I mean, they'll do it whenever.

02:03:30.000 They just got to wait for the female. 0.99

02:03:32.000 So the bucks were actually still sort of rutting a little bit.

02:03:35.000 We heard some croaking.

02:03:36.000 So it just wasn't full on.

02:03:38.000 No, there's just a few does that hadn't been bred.

02:03:41.000 Well, that's one of the coolest things about elk hunting.

02:03:43.000 There's nothing like the rut.

02:03:45.000 When you hear elk screaming, like if the people have never experienced that before, even if you have no desire to hunt, please go to a place where elk live during the rut just to hear it.

02:03:55.000 Because it is so wild.

02:03:57.000 They're so loud.

02:03:59.000 And the sound sounds like something from the Lord of the Rings.

02:04:02.000 It doesn't even seem real.

02:04:03.000 And you're going to be in Utah this year.

02:04:05.000 Oh, yeah.

02:04:06.000 Remember that?

02:04:06.000 We're going to Utah.

02:04:07.000 I'm very excited.

02:04:09.000 Yeah.

02:04:09.000 Well, we're definitely going to film some stuff there.

02:04:12.000 Yeah.

02:04:12.000 We're definitely going to film some stuff.

02:04:14.000 We'll do some Instagram stories.

02:04:15.000 Yep.

02:04:15.000 We'll definitely get some footage.

02:04:18.000 And we're definitely...

02:04:18.000 I mean, we got some footage from last year when you and I were in Tahone Ranch.

02:04:22.000 Yeah.

02:04:22.000 I put up on Instagram some elk screaming.

02:04:24.000 Oh, yeah.

02:04:24.000 We were pretty far away.

02:04:25.000 Yeah, we were.

02:04:25.000 We were a couple hundred yards away, and it's wide open.

02:04:28.000 Yeah.

02:04:28.000 Whereas Utah is a little bit more wooded, and we'll try to get a little bit closer.

02:04:32.000 Yeah, those bowls will be coming close.

02:04:34.000 I'm very excited.

02:04:36.000 Oh, I can't wait either.

02:04:37.000 I can't wait just to see you.

02:04:38.000 I can't wait.

02:04:39.000 Yeah.

02:04:40.000 Yeah, I mean, thanks for introducing me to this, man.

02:04:43.000 It's changed my life.

02:04:44.000 It really has.

02:04:45.000 It's been great to share with you.

02:04:47.000 And it's been great to have you on to share it with other people.

02:04:50.000 And just share not just that, but your entire disciplined approach to this whole lifestyle that you live.

02:04:56.000 I think it's very inspiring to people.

02:04:58.000 I think it's very important.

02:04:59.000 And you're a shining beacon out there, Cameron Haynes.

02:05:03.000 So keep hammering, as it were.

02:05:06.000 And your podcast, keep hammering.

02:05:07.000 We've got a new episode that you just gave to Jamie, so it'll be up today.

02:05:10.000 Jamie's going to post it today.

02:05:11.000 Young Jamie's on the ball.

02:05:12.000 Yes.

02:05:13.000 All right, ladies and gentlemen, we'll be back at 1.30 p.m.

02:05:16.000 with Jordan Peterson, and I'm fixing to go check out the new studio.

02:05:21.000 We're signing the lease today, folks.

02:05:23.000 It's popping.

02:05:24.000 We're very excited.

02:05:26.000 I'm going to show cam, too.

02:05:27.000 All right, we'll be back soon, and so, yeah, that's it.

02:05:33.000 See you soon.

The Joe Rogan Experience - May 09, 2017

Joe Rogan Experience #957 - Cameron Hanes

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