The Joe Rogan Experience - June 22, 2017


Joe Rogan Experience #978 - Judd Apatow

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Comedian Joe Pesci tells the story of how he went from working as a dishwasher to becoming a stand-up comic and how he became one of the funniest people in the world. Joe also talks about how he got his start as an open miker and how his manager Jeff Sussman helped him get to where he is today. And he talks about the time he almost got into a fight with a woman who thought she was pregnant. Joe also shares some of the craziest prop jokes he's ever thrown on stage and why he thinks Carrot Top is the best prop comedian of all time. And, of course, there's a story about how his wife almost died on stage in front of a bunch of people who thought he was a drunk guy. Thanks to our sponsor, Ajinomoto! A very special thank you to Joe for being a part of the podcast and for being the inspiration behind this episode. Thank you also to Alyssa Milano for coming up with the name of the song we used for the intro and outro. It was written and performed by our new song, "You Don't Know Me" by our main man, Nicki Minaj, which is out now. We hope you like it! It's a great song and we'll see you again next week! Thanks again for listening and God bless! Joe and Joe! -Josie -Joe and Judd Thanks Joe and Judd. - Thank you so much for being here and for coming on the pod! XOXO and for making this podcast! -PJodie and Joe and for supporting the podcast. Thank you for coming out and supporting us! Love ya! -Judd and Joe -Alyssa & Joe Thankyou, Joe and the rest of the crew at the podcast, Thank you, Joe, for being so much love you're so much more than you can do it, you're amazing and we appreciate you, you are amazing and you're beautiful, thank you, so much, you deserve it, and we love you, we really appreciate it, we appreciate it so much! -Amen and so much so much. -JODYOoooooo - - JODIE & JUDY & JOSIE -THANK YOU! -ROBBIE AND RYAN MCCARTAN

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00:00:02.000 Joe, I might plug some dates early.
00:00:04.000 Do it!
00:00:04.000 Do it!
00:00:08.000 And we're live.
00:00:09.000 Judd.
00:00:10.000 How are you, buddy?
00:00:11.000 Yeah, Judd Apatow here.
00:00:13.000 Dude, you know Sussman real well.
00:00:15.000 Not only do I know your manager, Sussman, Jeff Sussman, when I was a kid, I loved comedy, so I got a job at the Eastside Comedy Club, which was in Huntington on Long Island.
00:00:26.000 This is about 83, 84 years.
00:00:29.000 He was the bartender, and he used to give me rides home because I lived really far away, and I used to take a cab home and spend all the money I made as a dishwasher on the cab ride home.
00:00:43.000 But I just wanted to be in the club near comics.
00:00:45.000 Eddie Murphy was coming in.
00:00:46.000 It was crazy.
00:00:49.000 And I swear to God, this is no BS. You have those people in your life that you remember who were insanely kind and cool.
00:00:58.000 And Jeff Sussman was like that.
00:01:01.000 As a young kid, I was maybe 15 or 16, I thought, this is the greatest guy I've ever met.
00:01:06.000 He's so nice to me.
00:01:07.000 He gives me a ride home.
00:01:08.000 He's funny.
00:01:09.000 And I'm so glad that he's rich now.
00:01:14.000 He's been my manager since I was an open-miker.
00:01:16.000 He discovered me as an open-miker in Boston.
00:01:19.000 Who were his first clients?
00:01:21.000 Bob Nelson.
00:01:22.000 Yeah, Bob Nelson at the Eastside Comedy Club.
00:01:26.000 Nothing funnier.
00:01:26.000 He used to do a show once a week, and one of the things he did is he would just turn on the radio and scan through the channels and do improv based on what was on the radio.
00:01:36.000 So if it was elevator music, he would do a dentist routine.
00:01:39.000 If it was heavy metal, he would suddenly do a heavy metal guy.
00:01:42.000 And it was incredible.
00:01:45.000 Yeah, that guy was huge at one point in time.
00:01:48.000 And then I think he blew a fuse or something.
00:01:51.000 I think he's a very religious person now, and he still performs in Branson.
00:01:55.000 It's a nice way of saying he blew a fuse.
00:01:57.000 Depends on your view of things, I guess.
00:02:01.000 Maybe he's happier than all of us.
00:02:03.000 Maybe.
00:02:04.000 Highly unlikely.
00:02:06.000 But maybe.
00:02:07.000 But God, was he funny.
00:02:08.000 I mean, truly as funny as people get.
00:02:10.000 And then he built a thing on stage.
00:02:12.000 You have to imagine this.
00:02:13.000 He built like a wall on the stage.
00:02:15.000 And in the wall, he built two doors.
00:02:18.000 Yeah.
00:02:35.000 It would be like a gorilla chasing Bob, but he would just change his body language as he ran in and out of these doors.
00:02:41.000 It was really creative.
00:02:43.000 No one has ever really done stuff like that since, even.
00:02:46.000 Well, something happened somewhere along the line where Carrot Top owns props.
00:02:52.000 No one does props anymore.
00:02:54.000 You remember when we were first starting out, there was prop comics.
00:02:56.000 It was a genre.
00:02:58.000 Dennis Miller used to do props when he started.
00:03:00.000 I heard that.
00:03:01.000 He used to put his lips through a 45 record, and I forgot what the bit was.
00:03:05.000 And I threw a couple of props the first few times I went on stage.
00:03:09.000 I remember bringing a light and putting it to my finger to make my finger look like E.T.'s finger.
00:03:14.000 I can't quite remember what the bit was, but that's how little material I had.
00:03:19.000 Isn't it funny, though, that that genre is just sort of dissolved?
00:03:23.000 And it is funny as hell.
00:03:24.000 I went to see Carrot Top in Vegas. 0.98
00:03:27.000 I mean, it's a ridiculous show. 0.99
00:03:30.000 I laughed my ass off. 0.99
00:03:32.000 I brought my whole family.
00:03:32.000 We really laughed hard.
00:03:34.000 I mean, that is a funny genre of just ridiculous, stupid prop jokes. 1.00
00:03:40.000 Yeah, Carrot Top gets way more shit than he deserves. 1.00
00:03:43.000 He's very funny. 1.00
00:03:44.000 Oh no, he's crazy funny. 0.99
00:03:46.000 I mean, I'm always for the silly guys. 0.97
00:03:49.000 You know, I love the smart people and the inventive people, but the silly guy is also pretty great. 0.96
00:03:56.000 And it's hard to write... 0.81
00:03:59.000 Super silly jokes that make people laugh out loud.
00:04:01.000 Like, there's comedians who are funny, and you're like, oh, that's funny. 0.58
00:04:03.000 And then there are people who actually make you piss your pants.
00:04:06.000 And the one thing that Karen Topp did that made me laugh was he runs around the crowd, and at some point he's giving the crowd shots. 0.99
00:04:14.000 He's handing out cups, and really fast pouring shots, and they're spilling on people, and he's running around giving people shots.
00:04:20.000 And then he turned to some lady, and he's like, oh, I can't give it to you, you're pregnant. 0.99
00:04:23.000 But she clearly wasn't pregnant. 0.97
00:04:25.000 It was just a...
00:04:26.000 Chubby lady, and it got really awkward for her. 1.00
00:04:30.000 Oh no.
00:04:30.000 That's always the best when you make that mistake.
00:04:32.000 Are you allowed to just give people shots? 0.97
00:04:34.000 Like, what if you have an alcoholic, but they're sober, but you're so influential, they go, oh fuck it, one drink's not going to hurt, and then boom, you just throw their life off track. 0.99
00:04:45.000 Carrot Top wanted it to happen. 0.99
00:04:47.000 Yeah, you've got to be careful with that, no?
00:04:50.000 I certainly am not pouring booze for the crowd, but I appreciated it as someone observing Carrot Top.
00:04:56.000 I appreciate that too.
00:04:58.000 But I would think as a performer, you'd have to be really concerned.
00:05:01.000 I know too many people that you give them one shot and they're Doug Stampler from...
00:05:06.000 House of Cards.
00:05:07.000 Maybe Carrot Top is getting pre-show releases.
00:05:10.000 There could be a whole system of how he knows who to give the shots to.
00:05:16.000 He survives in Vegas, too.
00:05:18.000 There's not a whole lot of people that do that anymore.
00:05:21.000 Yeah, there's like Penn& Teller.
00:05:22.000 Yeah, they've been there forever, right?
00:05:24.000 But their show is a magic show, right?
00:05:26.000 And then there used to be like a lot of residents that were doing stand-up there.
00:05:30.000 George Wallace, Rita Rudner.
00:05:32.000 George Wallace quit doing that, right?
00:05:34.000 Yeah, he did it for a long time and he had enough at some point.
00:05:36.000 Yeah, he explained to me how hard it is.
00:05:38.000 Like you have to fill that room like every night.
00:05:42.000 Fill in rooms, let me say, as someone who makes movies and is terrified that people will show up, fill in rooms scares me as well.
00:05:50.000 Like, we have a movie, The Big Sick, it opens in New York and L.A. this weekend, and then in two weeks it opens around the country.
00:05:56.000 It's Kamail Nanjiani, Holly Hunter, and Ray Romano, based on an experience that happened to Kamail Nanjiani when he met his wife, and he's from Pakistan, and his parents wanted him to have a...
00:06:07.000 An arranged marriage, but he fell in love with an American woman.
00:06:10.000 And then she quickly got sick and had to be put into a coma.
00:06:13.000 And it's this really hilarious, fascinating true story about him hanging out with her parents while she's in a coma.
00:06:21.000 It's just a very unique story, but it works great.
00:06:23.000 It's like 98% on Rotten Tomatoes.
00:06:25.000 It's like one of those gem movies that comes around every four or five years.
00:06:29.000 What's it called?
00:06:30.000 It's called The Big Sick.
00:06:32.000 And so, right now, I'm terrified.
00:06:34.000 Will people go? 1.00
00:06:35.000 Will you get off your ass for a great, hilarious movie? 0.99
00:06:39.000 To go to a theater, and it's the same thing with stand-up. 0.99
00:06:43.000 Now that I'm doing some concerts, do you track how they're selling?
00:06:47.000 It's a scary thing.
00:06:49.000 They go, yeah, don't worry about this city.
00:06:51.000 They always sell late.
00:06:52.000 And then you look at your numbers for months, and no one bought tickets.
00:06:55.000 And then in the last two weeks, they sell out.
00:06:58.000 Or do you just not tune in at all?
00:07:00.000 I try to tune in to as little as I possibly can.
00:07:04.000 Other than doing the jokes themselves, doing the shows themselves.
00:07:08.000 You know, family hobbies.
00:07:11.000 Yes.
00:07:12.000 I don't tune in anymore. 1.00
00:07:13.000 I just feel like there's no reason to have fuck you money if you don't say fuck you. 1.00
00:07:17.000 So I'm supposed to be saying fuck you right now. 1.00
00:07:20.000 Yeah, but not really saying fuck you. 1.00
00:07:21.000 Just there's things to think about and there's things to not think about. 0.99
00:07:25.000 Like there's like the things that like...
00:07:27.000 You don't have really any control over?
00:07:29.000 Yes.
00:07:29.000 Like whether or not people buy tickets?
00:07:31.000 Eh. 0.99
00:07:31.000 You're fucking hilarious. 0.99
00:07:33.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:07:33.000 You're Judd Apatow. 0.99
00:07:34.000 What are you worried about, man?
00:07:35.000 You're super successful.
00:07:36.000 You've done some of the greatest movies of all time.
00:07:38.000 But the things that always drive me is the terror of things not working out.
00:07:42.000 Yeah.
00:07:43.000 So that's what keeps me on my game is to be scared.
00:07:46.000 That's why I'm going to tell your crowd right now.
00:07:47.000 Well, that's good because that's one of the reasons why you're still good.
00:07:50.000 But just let me help you out, dude.
00:07:52.000 You've made some of the greatest comedy movies ever.
00:07:55.000 Just chill out.
00:07:56.000 No, I can't chill out, Joe.
00:07:57.000 I can't chill out.
00:07:58.000 That's why I'm going to tell people I'll be at the Columbus Theater in Providence, Rhode Island, July 25th. 0.99
00:08:04.000 Damn, really? 0.98
00:08:04.000 Early with the plugs. 0.98
00:08:05.000 Yeah.
00:08:06.000 And then Ridgefield Playhouse on July 23rd in Ridgefield, Connecticut.
00:08:11.000 Then I'm at the Wilbur in Boston.
00:08:13.000 That's one of the great...
00:08:13.000 The best place...
00:08:14.000 The great place.
00:08:15.000 Do you have a website where people can read all these?
00:08:17.000 Because they're not going to remember.
00:08:18.000 They're probably in their car right now.
00:08:19.000 They're like...
00:08:19.000 The Wilbur in Boston.
00:08:21.000 July 24, thewilbur.com.
00:08:23.000 I don't know.
00:08:23.000 See, this is how I do it wrong.
00:08:24.000 But you have a website.
00:08:24.000 Do you have a website?
00:08:25.000 I have no website.
00:08:26.000 I've got nothing.
00:08:26.000 You don't have a website?
00:08:27.000 I don't.
00:08:28.000 Am I supposed to?
00:08:30.000 My kids make fun of me if I even talk about the web.
00:08:33.000 Like, if I say to my kids, yeah, let's find out on the World Wide Web.
00:08:36.000 They're like, Dad, no one calls it the World Wide Web anymore.
00:08:39.000 My daughter yelled at me the other day. 0.59
00:08:40.000 She said, Dad, no one emails.
00:08:43.000 Don't email me.
00:08:44.000 Text me.
00:08:45.000 And she acted like I was talking about ham radio. 1.00
00:08:49.000 Yeah, you might want to tell your kid to shut the fuck up. 1.00
00:08:51.000 Exactly. 1.00
00:08:52.000 That's ridiculous. 0.92
00:08:52.000 No one emails everybody. 0.92
00:08:54.000 I email every day.
00:08:55.000 What are you talking about?
00:08:56.000 I guess the kids don't have attachments.
00:08:59.000 I think that they don't need it because there's no attachments.
00:09:01.000 My kid never has a PDF to send.
00:09:03.000 That's true.
00:09:04.000 And they don't spell your.
00:09:06.000 They don't care.
00:09:07.000 Every kid spells you are. 1.00
00:09:08.000 Every fucking kid. 1.00
00:09:09.000 Or they're. 1.00
00:09:10.000 They're.
00:09:10.000 Yeah.
00:09:11.000 And how old are your kids?
00:09:12.000 I have a 20, I have a 9, and a 7. Girls? 0.97
00:09:16.000 Oh.
00:09:17.000 Yeah, I'm all girls.
00:09:18.000 I'm 19 and 14. All girls. 0.88
00:09:20.000 Chaos.
00:09:21.000 Chaos and- They all gang up on me?
00:09:23.000 And the teen years are rough.
00:09:25.000 They're rough.
00:09:26.000 They turn on you.
00:09:27.000 A little bit.
00:09:28.000 Genetically, I think they're supposed to push for their freedom and turn on you for a while. 0.98
00:09:32.000 Well, I also think they're so confused.
00:09:34.000 There's so many hormones raging through their system that didn't exist. 0.97
00:09:37.000 They're a new person.
00:09:39.000 If you stop and think about how you are when you're 11 and then how you are when you're 15, it's only four years later and you're a totally different human.
00:09:47.000 Yes.
00:09:48.000 I tell them that.
00:09:49.000 I say, you're acting hormonal right now.
00:09:52.000 Can you please stop?
00:09:53.000 They can't help it.
00:09:53.000 We talk about the chemicals.
00:09:55.000 I have this book. 0.74
00:09:56.000 It's called Yes, Your Teen is Crazy.
00:09:59.000 And then whenever they give me a hard time, I just take it out and just start reading it in front of them. 0.99
00:10:04.000 But it is all about how their brain isn't even cooked yet, that your brain isn't really cooked until your early 20s, and your impulse control and everything is gone, and that what you're supposed to do as a parent is model sane behavior, and if they see you not lose your shit thousands of times,
00:10:22.000 maybe that will program them to handle problems well, but they are going to freak out a ton, and you shouldn't get that mad at them, because they're not capable of not freaking out, but that is hard advice.
00:10:34.000 Yeah, it's hard advice. 0.97
00:10:35.000 And when you get down to the youngest one, like my youngest is seven, and I'm like, don't you have your shit together yet? 0.98
00:10:40.000 Come on. 0.99
00:10:41.000 Everybody else is older than you.
00:10:42.000 Let's go.
00:10:43.000 Let's go.
00:10:44.000 They don't get a full shot.
00:10:46.000 But the younger kid always thinks they're allowed to do what the older kids do.
00:10:50.000 So it gets scarier as you have more kids.
00:10:53.000 Right.
00:10:53.000 Because they go, well, my older sister does that, so aren't I allowed to do that now?
00:10:57.000 And you're like, no, you're seven.
00:10:59.000 Yeah.
00:11:00.000 Yeah, it's a really weird time, I think, especially in California.
00:11:04.000 You know, marijuana is basically legal.
00:11:07.000 It's a difficult debate to have with kids when it is legal.
00:11:12.000 You can't even pull out the it's a legal card.
00:11:15.000 Right.
00:11:15.000 I'm not worried about marijuana.
00:11:17.000 At what age, though, would you not worry about marijuana?
00:11:19.000 I'm not worried about it.
00:11:21.000 At any age.
00:11:21.000 If your seven-year-old's like, you know what, someone handed me an edible.
00:11:24.000 I absolutely don't want my seven-year-old or my nine-year-old to be smoking pot.
00:11:28.000 But I'm not worried about pot.
00:11:29.000 I'm worried about alcohol.
00:11:30.000 Yes.
00:11:31.000 I'm worried about alcohol and I'm worried about driving.
00:11:33.000 I'm worried about, like, teens drinking and driving.
00:11:36.000 That freaks me out.
00:11:38.000 Like her being with her friends as they go to high school.
00:11:42.000 That freaks me out because kids just don't know what their tolerances are.
00:11:47.000 They don't understand the effects of alcohol on the body and your ability to react.
00:11:52.000 That scares me.
00:11:53.000 It's all about Uber.
00:11:54.000 It's all about the Lyft.
00:11:55.000 And that is one thing I noticed is that all the kids are...
00:11:58.000 There seems to be a lot less drunk driving because they all just Uber.
00:12:02.000 Oh, it's amazing. 0.97
00:12:02.000 If you can afford it, but if you can't afford it, I guess you're still screwed. 0.97
00:12:05.000 Yeah, you are screwed if you can't afford it, but it's pretty reasonable if you're just moving around a general area, like if you're hopping around West Hollywood and going from the store to the improv, people do it all the time. 0.54
00:12:15.000 It's a couple bucks. 0.90
00:12:16.000 It's not that big a deal.
00:12:17.000 It saves you all the worry and hassle of being a drunk. 0.66
00:12:21.000 Are you a neurotic dad or a calm dad?
00:12:24.000 I try to be as calm as I can.
00:12:26.000 There's a certain amount of neurotic that seeps in every now and then, but I try to be really calm.
00:12:32.000 Yeah.
00:12:33.000 You know, the thing is just everybody does it.
00:12:37.000 Everybody grows up.
00:12:37.000 Just have it be fun as much as possible.
00:12:41.000 I have a friend, an older gentleman who's had a bunch of kids.
00:12:44.000 He always says to me, you know, you gotta let them go through it.
00:12:47.000 You know, they're gonna do the drugs. 0.93
00:12:50.000 It's fine.
00:12:50.000 They get through it.
00:12:51.000 They figure it out. 0.97
00:12:52.000 You know, they're gonna have sex. 0.98
00:12:54.000 You can't stop it.
00:12:55.000 You gotta let them go through it.
00:12:57.000 They'll figure it out.
00:12:58.000 Is your friend the dude from the Big Lebowski?
00:13:00.000 He is.
00:13:01.000 It's literally John Goodman.
00:13:03.000 The dude was...
00:13:05.000 What's his face?
00:13:05.000 Not John Goodman, the other guy.
00:13:07.000 What's his name?
00:13:09.000 Jeff... 1.00
00:13:10.000 What the fuck? 1.00
00:13:11.000 Oh, Jeff Bridges? 1.00
00:13:11.000 Jeff Bridges. 1.00
00:13:12.000 Yeah, he's the dude.
00:13:13.000 Oh, he's the dude.
00:13:14.000 Yeah, in the movie, right?
00:13:15.000 Yeah.
00:13:16.000 I saw it the other day.
00:13:17.000 I haven't seen it in years. 0.99
00:13:18.000 I was fucking crying laughing. 0.99
00:13:19.000 Oh, it's a good one. 0.99
00:13:20.000 That used to be my movie, my litmus test for whether or not I could talk to you.
00:13:23.000 Like, how do you feel about The Big Lebowski? 1.00
00:13:25.000 Piece of shit! 1.00
00:13:26.000 I gotta go. 1.00
00:13:27.000 Yes. 0.99
00:13:27.000 We did an episode of Freaks and Geeks where he shows John Daly's character Sam Weir shows a girl the jerk and she hates it. 0.99
00:13:34.000 And he breaks up with the cheerleader at school because she hates the jerk. 0.99
00:13:38.000 Good for him. 1.00
00:13:39.000 I had that with a girl in high school where she hated E.T. And that was a rough one.
00:13:44.000 A rough one to survive back then.
00:13:47.000 Yeah, there's certain music and there's certain movies that you're just not allowed to like or hate.
00:13:53.000 Yeah.
00:13:54.000 Well, that's a funny thing with my wife and I is we violently disagree on a lot of that stuff.
00:14:00.000 We don't have like one or two.
00:14:01.000 Violently?
00:14:02.000 Yeah, there's one or two.
00:14:03.000 Like the main things that mean the most to me in the world where my wife's like, I can't, I can't, I don't like it at all. 0.98
00:14:10.000 And then stuff that she likes that I go, I hate that more than anything.
00:14:14.000 I think that's good.
00:14:15.000 I think it's good, especially with your spouse, to have like very few interests in common. 1.00
00:14:22.000 I think all those people that do everything together are fucking weirdos, man. 0.99
00:14:25.000 They always freak me out. 0.99
00:14:27.000 That is interesting, yeah, because it's...
00:14:30.000 It's like stand-up.
00:14:31.000 My wife, I met her when I wasn't doing stand-up.
00:14:34.000 I did stand-up from the time I was 17 until I was 24. I met my wife when I was 28 or 29. So she didn't know anything about stand-up until three years ago when I started doing it again.
00:14:44.000 Yeah, what caused you to do that?
00:14:46.000 I remember when you started coming around.
00:14:48.000 Everybody was like, look at Judd.
00:14:49.000 What's he doing?
00:14:50.000 It's funny.
00:14:53.000 When I stopped when I was 24, I was pretty burnt out.
00:14:56.000 So that was 92. And I was getting a lot of writing work.
00:15:01.000 The Ben Stiller Show got picked up, this sketch show we did for Fox, and that kept me busy.
00:15:05.000 And I was making a lot of money compared to the $500 a week I was making doing stand-up on the road.
00:15:13.000 And I thought, well, this is the universe saying you don't need to do stand-up and you should stop.
00:15:19.000 Maybe your friends are funnier than you.
00:15:21.000 And I'm living with Sandler and I'm hanging out with opening up for Jim Carrey and it's daunting.
00:15:28.000 It's like trying to start a band and your friend is John Lennon. 0.99
00:15:31.000 You just feel like a dick. 1.00
00:15:34.000 And it would be weird to not feel like a dick. 1.00
00:15:36.000 Like if I was cocky with Jim Carrey and thought, I'm funnier than this guy. 0.99
00:15:41.000 I mean, I'm a sane human being.
00:15:42.000 I know what's happening.
00:15:46.000 And I was also a little bored of it because I was so obsessed since I was 10. And, you know, I did funny people.
00:15:52.000 I did a little stand-up to write jokes for funny people.
00:15:54.000 So I was writing jokes, but it was for Adam's character.
00:15:58.000 And then I started hanging out with Amy Schumer working on Trainwreck, and she would come back from these tours.
00:16:03.000 And I just got jealous.
00:16:05.000 I thought, that sounds like the most fun thing.
00:16:08.000 And then one night I said to her, I'm going to go up tonight just to make you laugh.
00:16:13.000 Just so you could see what it was like when I did stand-up.
00:16:16.000 And then I told a couple of stories I had told on talk shows that I knew would go okay.
00:16:20.000 And Amy was very excited, hoping I was going to bomb.
00:16:23.000 She thought this would be this funny thing.
00:16:25.000 Judd bombs at the Comedy Cellar.
00:16:27.000 And I did pretty good, just because it's stories I know work okay.
00:16:31.000 And then the comedy starler said, hey, anytime you want to come back, just pop in.
00:16:35.000 We'll put you up.
00:16:36.000 Now, no one ever said that when I was a comic because it was hard to get stage time.
00:16:41.000 And I thought, wait a second, I'm getting treated like somebody who gets to show up and go on stage?
00:16:47.000 I have to take advantage of this.
00:16:49.000 And I went on every night the entire Shooter Trainwreck.
00:16:52.000 No matter what time we finished shooting, I would drive straight to the Comedy Cellar.
00:16:55.000 Wow!
00:16:56.000 And I had the best time.
00:16:57.000 And then I came back to LA and started doing the improv and the Comedy Store and Largo and...
00:17:02.000 And then I would put these benefits together at Largo once a month, and to me, that was the most fun, because I could book a show and get, like, Shanling to come and Randy Newman, or, you know, Aziz and Fiona Apple, and we did them all as benefits, and I always liked producing things like that.
00:17:20.000 And then slowly, my act got to the point where I thought, oh, I'm, you know, I deserve to be here.
00:17:26.000 This isn't some freak show.
00:17:28.000 Yeah.
00:17:28.000 Well, you know the difference between someone who writes for television and movies and the difference between that and a lot of stand-ups is when you're making a living writing and producing and directing and doing all that, you're disciplined.
00:17:41.000 You write.
00:17:42.000 You actually write.
00:17:43.000 You have notes, you have books, you're opening up your binder, you're going over your stuff.
00:17:48.000 So many comics don't do that.
00:17:50.000 I remember when I started, I was opening for Larry Miller, one of the legendary comedians.
00:17:56.000 And he would have these incredible bits.
00:17:58.000 Some of them were like 10 minutes long.
00:18:01.000 He had a great bit about drinking.
00:18:05.000 It's one of the best stand-up bits of all time.
00:18:07.000 And he had a bit about Thanksgiving and a skiing bit.
00:18:10.000 And they were all like 10 minutes.
00:18:11.000 And they would get funnier and funnier.
00:18:13.000 And one day he said to me, you know, this is a job.
00:18:17.000 You gotta sit down every day and write jokes.
00:18:19.000 You don't just go to the mall and watch a movie every day.
00:18:22.000 Like, if you sat down for two hours at a desk and treated this like it was a job that deserved your respect, you'll be a hundred times better than everybody else.
00:18:30.000 Yeah.
00:18:31.000 And I didn't listen to his advice at the time, but I do now.
00:18:34.000 Like, now I sit down.
00:18:36.000 Right, that's why I brought it up.
00:18:37.000 Yeah.
00:18:37.000 Yeah.
00:18:38.000 Because you show up with, like, notes.
00:18:40.000 You're like one of the rare guys at the comedy store.
00:18:41.000 You'll show up with notes.
00:18:42.000 Exactly.
00:18:43.000 I know.
00:18:44.000 Nobody has notes.
00:18:44.000 Everyone has, like, a little, like, business card with three bullet points on it.
00:18:48.000 And I'm a little more of the, you know, the shandling tons and tons of paper until you're drowning and confused.
00:18:55.000 Shandling. 0.69
00:18:56.000 That's a sad one, man.
00:18:58.000 What a fun dude that was.
00:19:00.000 Oh, the best.
00:19:01.000 And I'm doing a documentary about him now for HBO. And so the most fun part about it is he always went to the Comedy Magic Club and did stand-up, even in eras where you didn't know he was doing it.
00:19:13.000 That's where I met him.
00:19:14.000 At the Comedy Magic Club?
00:19:15.000 Yeah.
00:19:15.000 And how was he?
00:19:17.000 It was great.
00:19:18.000 For me, I was a huge fan of the Larry Sanders show.
00:19:22.000 And the Larry Sanders show, that's where Paul Sims got his start.
00:19:24.000 He was the producer of News Radio.
00:19:26.000 And so when I saw him, it was one of those ones like, oh wow, that's actually Gary Shandling right there.
00:19:34.000 Right there where Judd Apatow is.
00:19:35.000 Right there.
00:19:36.000 It's a weird one.
00:19:38.000 And the Comedy Magic Club, they tape every show.
00:19:40.000 Since the 80s, they have every show taped.
00:19:43.000 And I said, can you give me the last 50 sets that Gary did at the Comedy Magic Club?
00:19:50.000 And this is from the last few years.
00:19:52.000 And no one's ever seen any of these jokes except the people at those shows.
00:19:55.000 He didn't do them on TV. He didn't do them on talk shows.
00:19:58.000 There was no special.
00:20:00.000 Some of the funniest jokes you've ever heard. 0.99
00:20:02.000 Just him, you know, working on the craft, fucking around, being so funny. 0.98
00:20:08.000 Yeah, but he did a lot of notes. 0.98
00:20:11.000 He was a disciplined guy.
00:20:13.000 Well, in the 70s, he wrote so many jokes.
00:20:17.000 I found these binders.
00:20:19.000 Hundreds and hundreds of jokes in every loose-leaf binder.
00:20:23.000 Like a guy sitting at a desk all day, just crafting like two-sentence perfect jokes.
00:20:29.000 Yeah, but there's like the balance, right?
00:20:31.000 There's that, there's crafting the perfect jokes, and then there's just being able to be loose and fun and hilarious.
00:20:38.000 Well, he also used to go on stage with just the setup, and he wouldn't know the punchline, and he would say the setup and hope the punchline came, which is pretty wild.
00:20:48.000 He...
00:20:50.000 You know, one of the great things about doing a documentary is you get to ask people for footage.
00:20:54.000 So Seinfeld gave me the dailies for Comedians in Cars getting coffee when he interviewed Gary.
00:21:01.000 And then the people who made the movie Comedian about Seinfeld gave me all the dailies of a sequence that they only used 10 seconds of in the documentary, which was Gary and Jerry going to the Comedy Magic Club and doing sets and also there that night as Nealon and Chris Rock.
00:21:19.000 And there's 12 tapes.
00:21:20.000 It's all their performances and then their entire conversation for three hours hanging out backstage.
00:21:27.000 And it is unbelievable, the conversation, how funny it is.
00:21:34.000 There's a moment where Chris Rock is doing the joke about how Nelson Mandela got divorced, that even Nelson Mandela, after decades of being in prison, he could survive that, but he couldn't survive getting out and being married.
00:21:48.000 He gets divorced immediately.
00:21:49.000 I forgot how he worded it.
00:21:51.000 But there's a shot of Shandling alone in a green room watching Rock do this bit.
00:21:57.000 And as he's doing it, Gary's like saying what he, he's like, he's guessing what the bit is as Rock saying it, but in awe of Chris Rock.
00:22:08.000 And it's a really beautiful moment.
00:22:12.000 And that's what the best part of doing this documentary is, is just finding little magical moments that no one would ever see if you didn't dig deep.
00:22:19.000 What made you decide to do this?
00:22:21.000 We did a memorial for Gary when he died at the Wilshire Ebell Theater, and like a thousand people showed up.
00:22:28.000 And I made about five mini-documentaries about Gary to show in between the speakers.
00:22:35.000 And I thought, oh, this is a documentary.
00:22:38.000 I should just expand this.
00:22:40.000 And now it's like the O.J. doc of Gary.
00:22:44.000 It's a big, long, epic documentary.
00:22:47.000 I think people don't realize how good the Larry Sanders show was.
00:22:51.000 People forgot.
00:22:52.000 If you go back and watch it again, that was a revolutionary show when it was on the air.
00:22:56.000 It really was.
00:22:57.000 Well, people don't go backwards.
00:22:59.000 My kids don't go backwards digging that far.
00:23:02.000 To them, looking backwards means I'll watch all of Parks and Rec.
00:23:08.000 They're not digging into the 90s.
00:23:11.000 They go to 2015. And people forget that when the Larry Sanders show came on the air, you know, the shows on HBO, it was like First in Ten or Not Necessarily the News or Dream On.
00:23:23.000 You know, Gary was the first show on HBO that made HBO go, oh, this is what HBO should be.
00:23:32.000 We should be the quality network with this kind of groundbreaking television.
00:23:39.000 And Gary was a guy who got offered all the talk shows.
00:23:43.000 He got offered to replace Letterman.
00:23:46.000 He was hosting The Tonight Show for Johnny.
00:23:49.000 Him and Leno would take turns doing it.
00:23:52.000 And he decided he'd rather satirize it than do it.
00:23:56.000 And he wanted to explore the people and not be a talk show host.
00:24:02.000 He wanted to show the world of ego that is...
00:24:06.000 Not just talk shows, but just show business.
00:24:08.000 He was fascinated with people's need for attention, his own need for attention, his own vanity and narcissism, and he wanted to explore that and satirize how we just want to be liked so badly, like what we do to be liked,
00:24:24.000 which prevents us from actually feeling love because we're so obsessed with approval.
00:24:29.000 Do you talk to Jay?
00:24:30.000 Are you friends with Jay Leno?
00:24:31.000 Yeah.
00:24:32.000 Jay and I were talking about what it was like to host The Tonight Show and how much more fun he has now doing Comedians in Cars, or not Comedians in Cars, Jay Leno's Garage.
00:24:40.000 Because that's what he really loves.
00:24:42.000 He really loves cars.
00:24:43.000 And he gets to be himself while he's doing this.
00:24:45.000 He doesn't have to have people on that he doesn't want.
00:24:48.000 He just has people on to talk to them about cars and stuff and has comics on and all kinds of people on. 0.99
00:24:54.000 But when he was talking about having that show, he was like, you would have people on that you didn't give a shit about. 0.99
00:24:59.000 And you had to talk to them. 0.99
00:25:01.000 And for Jay, that was most everybody.
00:25:03.000 Because he loves certain things, but he doesn't love sports.
00:25:07.000 He's not a massive movie fan, but you get him going on the things he cares about, like cars.
00:25:14.000 He's fascinated.
00:25:15.000 But that, I think, was some of the fun of watching The Tonight Show.
00:25:18.000 It's Jay interviewing a young actress and you know he doesn't care at all.
00:25:24.000 And how is he going to make it amusing for himself and the audience?
00:25:28.000 Did you see the Hicks bit that Hicks did about Jay interviewing Joey Lawrence and he blows his brains out and it forms the NBC Peacock on the wall?
00:25:36.000 I mean, I always felt that...
00:25:37.000 He reloads.
00:25:38.000 I always thought that was very unfair, the Hicks and the Andy Kindler criticisms of Leno.
00:25:45.000 You know, Leno was, you know, and is, you know, one of the great stand-ups of all time.
00:25:50.000 I mean, in a club, you'd see Leno in the 80s.
00:25:53.000 Nobody touches it.
00:25:54.000 He was just the most fun guy.
00:25:56.000 And still, I saw him recently at the improv.
00:25:58.000 Still is.
00:25:59.000 And...
00:26:00.000 You know, he made a call to, you know, to be America's host.
00:26:07.000 Beat everyone for...
00:26:10.000 Forever.
00:26:11.000 Forever.
00:26:11.000 Was proven completely correct.
00:26:13.000 But there was this idea that it was a betrayal of his club persona that some comedians were so mad about and...
00:26:23.000 I don't know how you could be mad at anybody for deciding how to run their show.
00:26:28.000 Because, you know, as we've seen with other people, sometimes snarky guy runs out of gas in two years.
00:26:34.000 And, you know, Jay found the space that was comfortable for him.
00:26:38.000 And God, was he nice to me every time I was there.
00:26:40.000 He's a great guy.
00:26:41.000 And always super funny when I was on the show.
00:26:43.000 And super nice.
00:26:45.000 Would put me on when I wasn't doing stand-up, just as a director, just because he liked me as a person.
00:26:50.000 Um...
00:26:51.000 And really a good class guy.
00:26:54.000 And in the Shanley documentary, fascinating describing his observations of Gary, his observations about talk shows.
00:27:02.000 I mean, what a ride he went on.
00:27:04.000 To that world of being a talk show host, there's not a lot of wiggle room, especially back then, you know, as opposed to now.
00:27:11.000 Now with the internet, I think a lot of, like, subject matter and a lot of language has opened up more.
00:27:16.000 You can kind of get it, like, if you see, like, what's going on now with Seth Meyers or, you know, any of the other late night talk show hosts, they have much more room.
00:27:26.000 Like, look at Corbett.
00:27:27.000 Colbert, rather. 1.00
00:27:28.000 Colbert said that, you know, Donald Trump, the president, uses Putin, like, uses his mouth, like, Putin uses his mouth as a cock holster. 1.00
00:27:37.000 Like, he said that on television. 1.00
00:27:39.000 With the phrase cock holster?
00:27:40.000 Yes. 0.63
00:27:40.000 They beeped it out. 0.63
00:27:42.000 You know what I mean?
00:27:42.000 Are you not aware of that?
00:27:43.000 I'm not. 0.96
00:27:44.000 It was a crazy long rant and it was really hilarious because Trump came back and said a bunch of things about Colbert and being tasteless and talentless and being a loser and all these different things. 0.95
00:27:55.000 And Colbert came back again and he goes, Donald Trump. 0.58
00:27:58.000 He goes, I thought if there was one thing you understood, it's show business.
00:28:03.000 And he goes, you responded.
00:28:05.000 He goes, you responded.
00:28:06.000 I win!
00:28:07.000 You don't understand.
00:28:08.000 So funny. 0.97
00:28:09.000 And it was really fucking hilarious. 0.97
00:28:11.000 Well, Trump can't help but respond. 0.98
00:28:13.000 Yeah.
00:28:13.000 He has no ability to go, it demeans me to acknowledge you exist.
00:28:18.000 He doesn't understand that.
00:28:20.000 And so I think he's easily baited into any of those situations, which is, I think, what scares people, because you think...
00:28:27.000 If Colbert can bait him, what about other countries in very serious situations?
00:28:31.000 What baits him into action that he shouldn't take?
00:28:34.000 Well, he blocks people on Twitter. 0.99
00:28:36.000 He's the fucking president, and people are trying to figure out, is that a First Amendment issue? 1.00
00:28:41.000 Am I allowed to communicate with the president directly through Twitter? 1.00
00:28:45.000 Well, now I can't, because he blocks me?
00:28:47.000 Is he allowed to block people?
00:28:48.000 So there's people that are considering lawsuits right now.
00:28:52.000 Doesn't Donald Trump understand you should just be muting people?
00:28:56.000 Just mute them, Donald.
00:28:57.000 You don't have to block them.
00:28:58.000 No, he wants them to know.
00:28:59.000 I want them to know.
00:29:01.000 MAGA. MAGA has blocked them.
00:29:03.000 I like blocking people.
00:29:04.000 I love blocking people.
00:29:05.000 The second I see anything, I block someone even if they say one of my movies was just okay.
00:29:11.000 It doesn't have to be that mean.
00:29:12.000 Boom! 0.99
00:29:12.000 I'll never see you again. 0.99
00:29:14.000 Wow.
00:29:15.000 Really?
00:29:15.000 If somebody says, that was pretty good, I'll block them.
00:29:18.000 I'll block them on almost a compliment.
00:29:20.000 Almost a compliment.
00:29:21.000 Some weird underhanded stuff. 1.00
00:29:22.000 If you're not kissing my ass pretty hard, you're gone. 1.00
00:29:25.000 That's my Twitter theory. 1.00
00:29:26.000 I like it.
00:29:27.000 I don't even need you to call me a Jew.
00:29:29.000 That's the funny thing is that when people say nasty things on Twitter, they always start sounding like they make sense, but then bail at the end.
00:29:39.000 So they'll just be like, you know...
00:29:41.000 Give the president a chance.
00:29:43.000 You know, he was duly elected by the American people.
00:29:47.000 And go jump in an oven. 1.00
00:29:48.000 It's always like the two beat.
00:29:51.000 Oh, they're saying that to you.
00:29:53.000 Yeah, it sounds sane and then it always lands on jump in an oven.
00:29:56.000 The Jew stuff. 0.99
00:29:57.000 Exactly.
00:29:58.000 Yeah.
00:29:59.000 Well, do you take a lot of heat for criticizing the president?
00:30:06.000 I don't think I'm saying anything that anyone else isn't saying.
00:30:09.000 Because I have a simple theory about all this stuff, which is I don't think rich people want you to be rich.
00:30:15.000 I think that people are trying to be told...
00:30:19.000 That rich people really can handle everything.
00:30:22.000 And if you let the rich people have all the money, they're just going to figure it all out.
00:30:25.000 And in fact, last night was an interesting night because Donald Trump said he doesn't want poor people in charge of the economy.
00:30:34.000 He said that?
00:30:35.000 Yeah, he said, he goes, I want rich people.
00:30:37.000 But it's...
00:30:38.000 What he's not understanding is there are public servants who have not made the choice to be billionaires who actually understand economic theories better than the head of Walmart or something.
00:30:51.000 That just because you were able to figure out how to sell M&Ms doesn't mean you can run the economy.
00:30:57.000 That there are people that they don't want to be rich.
00:30:59.000 We're good to go.
00:31:18.000 I find so offensive, and I'm very surprised that people who aren't billionaires aren't more offended at the contempt that they're held in.
00:31:28.000 Because you could disagree on economic theory.
00:31:30.000 You could say, oh, I believe in trickle-down economics, or I don't believe in trickle-down economics. 1.00
00:31:35.000 But this is a government that thinks if you're not a billionaire, you're an idiot. 1.00
00:31:40.000 You really think he thinks that? 1.00
00:31:42.000 He said it last night.
00:31:43.000 It's literally a speech, which is, would you want poorer people in charge of the economy? 0.90
00:31:49.000 Which is the argument for having the head of Goldman Sachs in charge of the economy.
00:31:54.000 But yet, what is a poor person?
00:31:56.000 How's he defining it? 1.00
00:31:57.000 Is he defining it as an idiot failure? 1.00
00:31:59.000 Or someone who hasn't decided to milk this world for as much money as they can get out of it? 0.98
00:32:06.000 Some people are happy to make a comfortable living and try to be giving to other people.
00:32:10.000 And they can be very helpful being part of our government.
00:32:15.000 You don't have to be the head of Goldman Sachs.
00:32:18.000 To be someone who can change people's lives for the better.
00:32:23.000 He thinks you just get the head of Exxon, the head of Goldman Sachs, but sometimes you don't want the head of Exxon.
00:32:28.000 You want someone that's thought about international relations their entire lives.
00:32:32.000 And maybe they've always made 200 grand a year.
00:32:35.000 Okay, that's not poor.
00:32:37.000 It depends on how you define poor.
00:32:39.000 Exactly, yes.
00:32:40.000 And how he defines poor.
00:32:41.000 Yeah.
00:32:41.000 I mean, when you say you don't want a poor person running the economy, I think one argument for that would be you don't want anybody who wants radical redistribution of wealth.
00:32:49.000 One argument rather would be someone who says, like, what we need to do is we need to figure out who the richest people in the world that own 90% of the money and then just take that money and distribute it to everyone else.
00:33:02.000 There's some pretty radical arguments from poor people.
00:33:04.000 I don't think he's saying that. 1.00
00:33:05.000 I think he equates poor with idiot. 1.00
00:33:08.000 He wasn't saying, I don't want a Bernie Sanders type. 1.00
00:33:12.000 He was saying, I want...
00:33:14.000 He considers the head of Goldman Sachs to be the smartest man in the world, where there are people who don't seek to make that much money who are very smart and certainly capable of doing things.
00:33:27.000 I think he sees people who are not the heads of industry as being incapable of...
00:33:32.000 Of being in charge of aspects of the government.
00:33:34.000 Right, because that's his world.
00:33:36.000 That's his world.
00:33:37.000 Because his world is the world of super rich people. 1.00
00:33:38.000 And if you're not a super rich person, you're a loser. 0.99
00:33:41.000 Well, that's the thing. 0.95
00:33:41.000 It's all a winner-loser economy, which I find fascinating because he is basically calling most of the world a loser in his world. 0.95
00:33:49.000 And so, yeah, you can debate.
00:33:50.000 I mean, I always think most people don't even understand most of what they talk about with politics.
00:33:56.000 Right.
00:33:57.000 Like when you talk about wealth redistribution.
00:34:00.000 A lot of people have theories, but they actually don't know anything about...
00:34:03.000 They have no information.
00:34:05.000 No one's read a book about it.
00:34:08.000 Very few people.
00:34:09.000 Very few.
00:34:10.000 I mean, literally...
00:34:11.000 Less than 1%.
00:34:12.000 Less than 1%.
00:34:13.000 Who are arguing about it on a regular basis.
00:34:15.000 They've seen a few clips on Fox News, and they have this idea in their head of what it is.
00:34:19.000 Exactly.
00:34:19.000 And I think that's what's wrong with our country is no one knows anything about anything on either side.
00:34:24.000 Like people don't know, you know, deeply about the environment.
00:34:29.000 There's very few people who sit down and read the study.
00:34:32.000 Very few people right now are going to read that health care book.
00:34:36.000 Bill that is before the Senate.
00:34:38.000 Right.
00:34:39.000 Like, how many people do you think, what percentage of the country think is going to sit down and read any part of it?
00:34:43.000 Less than one-tenth of one percent, if you're lucky.
00:34:46.000 And it will destroy their lives if they get sick and they don't have coverage.
00:34:49.000 And who knows?
00:34:50.000 Maybe it's perfect and we don't understand it.
00:34:54.000 People won't bother to know anything about it.
00:34:56.000 Well, it's like global warming.
00:34:57.000 You talk to the average person on the right or the average person on the left about global warming, and you will see, like, it's really strange how you see these ideologically driven ideas that they have in their head about what global warming is, what causes it, and you can almost guess,
00:35:12.000 based on their reaction to it, whether they're a Republican or whether they're liberal.
00:35:16.000 Yes.
00:35:17.000 And people, you know, obviously everyone talks about this, but people have chosen a side, and so now anything that that side does, people are okay with it.
00:35:26.000 And so when suddenly we're so soft on Russia, and then all these, you know, being a Republican used to be so about the evil empire, and on a dime it's like...
00:35:37.000 People like Russia. 0.92
00:35:38.000 Well, look what they did with WikiLeaks.
00:35:40.000 Everyone's turned on WikiLeaks.
00:35:42.000 WikiLeaks used to be the champion of information. 0.95
00:35:44.000 Used to be, these are the people that are trying to let you know all the shit that's going on behind the scenes. 0.75
00:35:49.000 We're finding out all these secret emails. 0.96
00:35:50.000 We're sharing them with the world.
00:35:52.000 We have a media dump.
00:35:54.000 We're dumping everything.
00:35:55.000 Now, WikiLeaks is Putin's puppet, and WikiLeaks is working for Putin.
00:36:00.000 The left is turned on WikiLeaks.
00:36:03.000 It's quite fascinating.
00:36:04.000 Well, both sides will switch based on what serves them in the moment.
00:36:09.000 Yeah, but it's dark, man.
00:36:10.000 It's really weird when you see it so obvious, and it's so flippant.
00:36:16.000 Like, there's not a lot of thought put into this.
00:36:18.000 Like, you're talking about someone, like, in Julian Assange.
00:36:21.000 I'm not a giant Julian Assange fan as a human being, but I think what he's done is pretty goddamn courageous, and he's taken a huge hit for it.
00:36:30.000 I mean, he's been stuck in this embassy in London forever.
00:36:33.000 If he leaves, he'll immediately be arrested.
00:36:35.000 And who knows what's going to happen to him if that happens.
00:36:38.000 And this guy's still out there trying to distribute information.
00:36:41.000 Well, it's about as it's selective.
00:36:43.000 You know, if a guy like that is just...
00:36:44.000 I mean, obviously, the issues are, is he putting people's lives at risk with...
00:36:50.000 Megadumps, which reveal sources and things like that.
00:36:54.000 But also, is he manipulated to release things to serve different political groups?
00:37:02.000 Is he doing it on purpose, in one way or the other?
00:37:05.000 Where's the stuff on the Republicans?
00:37:06.000 You know, if we had all the emails of the Republicans planning the Trump campaign, we'd have a whole other story to tell.
00:37:13.000 Now, is it impossible to get their emails?
00:37:16.000 Do they just have the best computers in the world and there's no way to get their emails?
00:37:21.000 It depends on what the story is.
00:37:24.000 They believe...
00:37:25.000 I mean, it's so hard to figure out what happened here, but that Seth Rich guy, according to Kim.com and according to Julian Assange, he leaked...
00:37:33.000 He was a Bernie Sanders supporter.
00:37:34.000 He worked for the DNC. He leaked some of the information that showed that the DNC was...
00:37:39.000 What they were trying to do was they were conspiring to keep Bernie Sanders from winning the primary.
00:37:46.000 And it proved to be true that they actually did do that.
00:37:49.000 And Julian Assange was saying after that guy got shot that somehow or another he was alluding to that if you work with us there are consequences.
00:37:58.000 So you had someone who was a renegade inside the DNC who released that dump.
00:38:02.000 You don't have anybody like that on the Republican side.
00:38:05.000 It doesn't mean that the WikiLeaks is corrupt.
00:38:08.000 It just means that no one on the Republican side has done that.
00:38:12.000 Only one guy, according to them, I don't know if it's true, some people say Russia did it, but according to Julian Assange and according to Kim.com, who's apparently somehow or another involved, At least part of it had to do with the Seth Rich guy.
00:38:25.000 That doesn't mean that they're trying to exclusively release stuff that makes Democrats look bad.
00:38:32.000 It just means no one's done it on the Republican side.
00:38:35.000 Just because the information doesn't exist doesn't mean there's some sort of collusion.
00:38:39.000 Well, that's, I guess, the mystery of it.
00:38:41.000 I don't really know anything about the Seth Rich case.
00:38:43.000 What is that?
00:38:43.000 Because I know people are mad about it.
00:38:45.000 He's the guy that was – he worked for the DNC and he was murdered outside of his apartment at 4 o'clock in the morning.
00:38:52.000 They said it was a robbery, but – There's a giant conspiracy theory to attach to it, but I'm just going to relay the facts.
00:38:59.000 His wallet was left, his phone was left, his watch was left.
00:39:02.000 His valuables that he might have been robbed of, his money, all that stuff was there.
00:39:08.000 So he was just murdered.
00:39:09.000 And they never found who killed him.
00:39:11.000 And then immediately Julian Assange was alluding to the idea that this guy was helping them and that he was murdered because of that.
00:39:18.000 And that has been hotly...
00:39:22.000 Contested and, of course, the Fox News narrative has, like, Sean Hannity has made a big deal out of it saying, we're going to get to the bottom of this, ladies and gentlemen, which makes me more suspicious that it's not true.
00:39:35.000 But it is a possibility that he was one of the people that was releasing information.
00:39:41.000 I would imagine if you worked for the DNC, especially if you were a Bernie Sanders supporter, and you saw what they were doing.
00:39:47.000 What they were doing is essentially they were hijacking the democratic process from inside, from the Democratic Party.
00:39:54.000 And if you were a Bernie Sanders supporter, it would be horrifying. 1.00
00:39:57.000 It would really piss you off, especially if you're someone who's You've got this idea of what the future could be under Bernie Sanders, and you realize your own party is fucking him in the ass. 0.99
00:40:09.000 And so, I don't know how much he released, or if he released, or if he was only one part of it, or Russia was a part of it as well, and hacking into the DNC. But the bottom line, at the end of the day, is it exposed corruption. 0.99
00:40:21.000 I mean, that's really what it was.
00:40:23.000 There's absolute, clear corruption in the DNC. Yeah.
00:40:27.000 And everybody got away with it.
00:40:28.000 The woman was in charge. 0.98
00:40:29.000 She went and left and went immediately to work for Hillary's campaign. 1.00
00:40:32.000 It wasn't good stuff.
00:40:34.000 It was all bad, no matter who released it.
00:40:38.000 It just showed you how gross the system is.
00:40:40.000 Yeah, to the core.
00:40:42.000 Yeah.
00:40:42.000 All the way around.
00:40:43.000 On both sides.
00:40:44.000 Because I'm not a big conspiracy theorist.
00:40:45.000 I should be.
00:40:47.000 Why should you be?
00:40:48.000 I guess that there's always more... 0.99
00:40:50.000 Going on than we think, but I also think that most people are too dumb to not get caught almost every single time. 0.96
00:40:58.000 Yeah, you say that, but there's a lot of shit that happens where people do get caught eventually, and you realize, oh, how long were you guys running this? 0.98
00:41:06.000 What's your favorite conspiracy theory that turned out to be true? 0.93
00:41:09.000 It's hard to say whether it turned out to be true, but JFK is the biggest one.
00:41:14.000 And where did you land on that?
00:41:15.000 I landed on that.
00:41:16.000 It's very possible, very possible that Lee Harvey Oswald was involved.
00:41:21.000 It's very possible that other people were involved too.
00:41:24.000 It's very possible that he...
00:41:26.000 Shot at Kennedy and other people shot at Kennedy at the same time and then he was a patsy and he was put up like he was obviously involved in a lot of intelligence agency shenanigans He went to Russia.
00:41:40.000 He married a Russian woman came back to the United States.
00:41:43.000 He had been involved in all sorts of communist propaganda shit He was definitely not like an above-ground guy. 0.58
00:41:51.000 He was a shady dude and And it's entirely possible that he was one person out of a plot to kill the president, and they put it all on him, and they had Jack Ruby shoot him. 0.55
00:42:02.000 But everybody goes black and white on that.
00:42:04.000 You either go, Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, or you go, he was innocent, and the CIA had him assassinated because he was trying to get rid of the CIA, which he was.
00:42:14.000 I mean, Kennedy was trying to pull us out of Vietnam, he was trying to get rid of the CIA, he was trying to get rid of the I always go to the simple thing,
00:42:30.000 which is, why would Jack Ruby shoot him?
00:42:32.000 Right.
00:42:33.000 Yeah.
00:42:44.000 It's such a suicide, end up in jail for the rest of your life mission.
00:42:47.000 Yeah.
00:42:48.000 To me, things like that fall apart there. 0.97
00:42:52.000 They do, but it's also possible they told him, listen, just shoot him. 0.99
00:42:55.000 We'll get you off. 0.98
00:42:57.000 We'll find some sort of a way.
00:42:59.000 Or they might have had something horrible on him.
00:43:02.000 Jack Ruby was clearly embedded in the mob.
00:43:04.000 The mob was angry at Kennedy because they helped Kennedy win.
00:43:09.000 They helped him win Illinois.
00:43:11.000 Yeah.
00:43:11.000 You know, I mean, they helped him become the president.
00:43:14.000 And there was absolute evidence that they were mad at him once he became president because then he started doing things that were against their interests.
00:43:21.000 There was a lot of people pissed off at Kennedy.
00:43:23.000 That's what's funny about the current Russia scandal.
00:43:28.000 Right.
00:43:46.000 With any other country but Russia. 0.77
00:43:48.000 Not only that, this whole thing about Flynn and that the intelligence agencies were warning that Flynn was compromised and that he could be blackmailed by Russia.
00:43:58.000 They had things on him.
00:43:59.000 What they had on him, we don't know, but they're very convinced that there was evidence against Flynn and that the Trump administration knew this and they were still entertaining talks with him and they're still bringing him on board.
00:44:10.000 And what's fascinating is this world of international lobbyists.
00:44:15.000 Like Paul Manafort, what are they doing?
00:44:18.000 Did you see this thing where Paul Manafort's kids, someone hacked their phones and they had all these texts where they were talking about how horrible their dad was and how he's responsible for people getting killed.
00:44:34.000 And who knows if any of that's true, but There's an entire world of Americans going overseas and being involved in dirty politics and the work of governments like the Ukraine that we don't have any clue about what that is. 0.99
00:44:53.000 Yeah, it's one of the last frontiers for really diabolical shit. 0.96
00:44:57.000 You know, like Russia is one of the last, like, what he is, what Putin stands for, is like one of the last brutal military dictators that's kind of in a costume. 0.99
00:45:09.000 Yes.
00:45:10.000 He's in a costume as the president of Russia. 0.85
00:45:12.000 But we all know, like, he murders people that oppose him. 0.96
00:45:15.000 He murders journalists. 0.66
00:45:17.000 He murders political candidates that are running against him. 0.99
00:45:21.000 I mean, he's a terrifying guy.
00:45:23.000 What do you think it means that Trump just loves him?
00:45:27.000 It's not good.
00:45:28.000 I think he admires the take-no-shit guy.
00:45:32.000 Yeah, I think he does, and I think there's also the possibility that he feels that what Putin stands for is this powerful superpower, and it's better to be friends with him than it is to be enemies.
00:45:45.000 Let's just cozy up. 0.99
00:45:46.000 Hey, I wish I could do a lot of the shit you do. 1.00
00:45:48.000 A lot of people talk shit about me on Twitter. 1.00
00:45:49.000 I wish I could have them killed. 1.00
00:45:51.000 I mean, it's entirely possible that he thinks along those lines. 0.99
00:45:55.000 Because I think it's probably from decades of Trump dealing with the mob in New York and Atlantic City.
00:46:02.000 And he probably developed a point of view about how you deal with evil people.
00:46:06.000 Yeah.
00:46:07.000 And how you have to make deals.
00:46:09.000 Be friends with them.
00:46:10.000 I think a lot of rich people...
00:46:14.000 Everyone doesn't understand this is how the world works.
00:46:17.000 This is how the sausage gets made.
00:46:20.000 And that's why they do crazy stuff, because they just go, everyone else is naive.
00:46:26.000 And just get me in a room with Putin, get me a back channel, we'll figure it out.
00:46:30.000 Right, the back channel with Kushner.
00:46:32.000 It's like sitting down with a mob, figuring out your price for cement.
00:46:36.000 That's what he thinks the Putin back channel is.
00:46:39.000 Like, we'll figure it out.
00:46:40.000 We'll come up with...
00:46:41.000 And I think it seems like Trump likes the idea of that what you present is a lie and what you do in private is figuring out solutions and that that's how the world works.
00:46:53.000 Right. 1.00
00:46:54.000 That it's all full of shit. 1.00
00:46:55.000 Yeah, and that is the way you get away with everything. 1.00
00:46:58.000 That's how the world works.
00:46:59.000 That's the justification.
00:47:01.000 Hey, that's how the world works.
00:47:02.000 Which is so different than Bush...
00:47:05.000 Who was religious and had this thought, we are going to go to other countries, we're going to take down these leaders and they are going to find freedom and we're all going to change for the positive when they don't have these dictators. 0.99
00:47:22.000 Trump is an old school guy who's like, you need the dictators to keep all these assholes in line. 0.98
00:47:27.000 Yeah, but meanwhile, he's kind of right. 0.99
00:47:29.000 I mean, look what happens when you take the dictators out.
00:47:32.000 You create this power vacuum, and the places are way more chaotic.
00:47:35.000 Look at Libya, right?
00:47:36.000 It's a failed state now.
00:47:37.000 He got rid of Gaddafi.
00:47:39.000 Everybody's happy.
00:47:40.000 Hillary Clinton was on TV. They did an interview with her where she's cheering.
00:47:43.000 She's like laughing about, we came, we saw, he died!
00:47:47.000 Ha ha ha!
00:47:48.000 Do you see that?
00:47:49.000 The off the air thing?
00:47:50.000 I think that's what...
00:47:51.000 Makes the world so impossible to manage right now.
00:47:56.000 Right.
00:47:56.000 Which is...
00:47:59.000 It's like we tried this approach of, let's make these people a democracy.
00:48:06.000 But you can't force people to want a democracy.
00:48:09.000 Also, they're conditioned to being in a dictatorship.
00:48:12.000 They've lived that way their whole life.
00:48:14.000 And there's all these other people. 1.00
00:48:16.000 When you get rid of Gaddafi, it doesn't mean he's the only piece of shit there. 1.00
00:48:19.000 There's a million other pieces of shit that are wondering how they get to that guy's position. 1.00
00:48:23.000 And he's keeping them down and murdering people and trying to keep... 1.00
00:48:27.000 And so their entire life, that's the paradigm they've operated under.
00:48:31.000 They've watched this happen.
00:48:32.000 They've seen this one central, brutal, murderous figure control everyone else.
00:48:38.000 And when that's gone, it's not all kumbaya all of a sudden.
00:48:41.000 It creates this power vacuum.
00:48:42.000 And then everybody's clamoring to see who takes that guy's spot.
00:48:45.000 And now you have ISIS steps in and Libya is just straight chaos.
00:48:49.000 And there seems to be...
00:48:52.000 No solution to that.
00:48:54.000 Almost no solution.
00:48:55.000 Right?
00:48:55.000 Because there's a massive religious tribal war happening, where if we didn't exist, they would just be fighting each other.
00:49:04.000 Right, and that's what happened.
00:49:05.000 That's what we were warned about with Iraq. 0.65
00:49:07.000 Like, people that didn't understand Iraq, including Bush, did not understand, if you take Saddam Hussein out of the picture, who's kind of secular, what you're left with is this Sunni-Shia civil war.
00:49:19.000 And you're going to have this crazy situation where these two different sects of Islam are going to kill each other. 1.00
00:49:24.000 No one saw that coming.
00:49:26.000 Well, you know who did see that coming?
00:49:27.000 Janine Garofalo.
00:49:28.000 Did she?
00:49:28.000 Yeah, because I remember watching her on CNN, and there was a massive protest against going into Iraq before we went to war.
00:49:37.000 And she said, this is what's going to happen if we go there.
00:49:41.000 And she laid that out.
00:49:43.000 Well, she's a Noam Chomsky fan.
00:49:44.000 Yeah, she said, these people are going to attack each other, we're going to create a mess, we're going to open a Pandora's box, and there are no weapons of mass destruction, and we should wait, and we don't have enough information.
00:49:56.000 And she really took a beating... 1.00
00:50:00.000 For being in strong opposition to invading Iraq.
00:50:05.000 And every single thing that she said would happen in the next 10 years happened.
00:50:08.000 And she wasn't the only person.
00:50:09.000 There were plenty of people.
00:50:10.000 I remember when 9-11 happened, Norman Mailer was on...
00:50:16.000 He was on Charlie Rose that week.
00:50:19.000 And he said, this is exactly what's going to happen.
00:50:21.000 And he explained the wars that would happen, where they would happen.
00:50:26.000 And then he said, and this is what's going to happen as a result of those wars, and laid out...
00:50:31.000 The mess that was created.
00:50:33.000 And he said, you'll see, we do not have the strength to not take these steps.
00:50:38.000 I should clarify, I don't know if Janine's really a Noam Chomsky fan, but I know Chomsky was saying that, like, he was pretty adamant about that, like, very early on.
00:50:47.000 I just watched the Chomsky documentary on Netflix.
00:50:51.000 He's an interesting guy.
00:50:52.000 Yeah, and it was fascinating, and it had one simple idea, which also I think a lot of people don't realize, which is just that...
00:51:00.000 Our country, how it's set up, is meant to protect people from the people with money, from the landowners, as it was more back then.
00:51:12.000 And the basic theory is that the people with the wealth and corporations are not served by democracy.
00:51:22.000 If democracy is functioning, it is not in the favor of We're good to go.
00:51:57.000 Voter motor ID, where when you get your driver's license, you're registered for the whole country.
00:52:01.000 You could have everyone in the country vote by mail.
00:52:04.000 You could have everyone vote by computer.
00:52:05.000 You could make it so you would have 80-90% of people voting.
00:52:09.000 But that goes against corporate interests.
00:52:12.000 And so they fight to say there's, you know...
00:52:16.000 All these fake votes when there isn't.
00:52:19.000 And so that protects corporate interests.
00:52:22.000 And it's a really interesting documentary that just came up, I guess, in the last year.
00:52:28.000 What's it called?
00:52:31.000 We're about to find out.
00:52:33.000 It's...
00:52:35.000 See, I like that the computer is searching as we speak.
00:52:37.000 There's a lot of people that are resisting the idea of people voting online.
00:52:41.000 But we bank online. 0.92
00:52:42.000 It's ridiculous.
00:52:43.000 Of course you'd be able to vote. 0.84
00:52:44.000 Well, we certainly could get more people voting.
00:52:47.000 It's fascinating that there's other countries like Russia trying to get into that.
00:52:51.000 Oh, Requiem for the American Dream.
00:52:54.000 Yeah, it's worth seeing.
00:52:58.000 I mean, I don't really...
00:52:59.000 You know, some of these things I don't have the strongest opinions on because...
00:53:03.000 It's very complicated, and it's like what you said.
00:53:06.000 You never know what new mess you're creating.
00:53:08.000 I was talking to this actor who does a lot of charity work around the world, a very famous actor.
00:53:14.000 And he said, you know, I was working on this project to dig wells in a community in Africa.
00:53:21.000 And then we dug the wells, and it was incredible for this community.
00:53:25.000 And then the neighboring community came and murdered everybody.
00:53:31.000 He goes, that's what it's like trying to save people and to help people in the world.
00:53:36.000 There's always something that results that you did not anticipate that makes it even more complicated.
00:53:42.000 And I feel it's that way with most issues.
00:53:46.000 You think it's this, but you've set off that.
00:53:49.000 And it takes...
00:53:53.000 Where I come down is you need an incredibly intelligent person to be in the middle of making these choices.
00:53:57.000 And just generally with Trump, I don't think he's that smart. 0.87
00:54:01.000 And I think that he is very, you know, a very self-involved, narcissistic person.
00:54:07.000 And we can debate choices, but it doesn't seem like the person who has the depth...
00:54:16.000 To make these calls.
00:54:17.000 Well, I don't think anybody really is qualified to run 350 million people. 0.96
00:54:22.000 I just think it's a ridiculous proposition.
00:54:24.000 But I think you're definitely right. 0.81
00:54:26.000 Also, he sets the tone for the mindset of the country.
00:54:31.000 I mean, it really is.
00:54:33.000 We have this alpha male chimpanzee thing going on where the one, like, Robama, love him or hate him, was a very articulate, really well-spoken, calm and measured guy.
00:54:44.000 And I think that's very good.
00:54:46.000 For America.
00:54:47.000 To have this guy who's smarter than anybody you know, and he's running the country.
00:54:52.000 Like, you feel like, okay, well this guy's obviously, look, he hardly ever stutters.
00:54:57.000 He knows what he's talking about.
00:54:58.000 And very moderate.
00:55:00.000 Yeah.
00:55:00.000 I mean, when you get down to it, what I find interesting is...
00:55:04.000 Obama was so moderate.
00:55:05.000 After the banking issues, he didn't go after the bankers.
00:55:08.000 He didn't send anyone to jail.
00:55:10.000 He propped up those businesses.
00:55:12.000 So the fact that the banks so want to get rid of him, it makes me go, how much money is enough?
00:55:19.000 This guy's still basically on your side.
00:55:22.000 Hillary's basically still on your side. 1.00
00:55:24.000 They were mad when their bonuses were minimalized.
00:55:28.000 Remember that?
00:55:28.000 Exactly.
00:55:29.000 They got bailed.
00:55:30.000 They got billions of dollars in bail money and they still wanted their bonuses.
00:55:34.000 I have a contract.
00:55:35.000 My contract says I got a bonus.
00:55:37.000 They're just thinking about their house and their yacht.
00:55:39.000 People got bonuses even though the economy collapsed.
00:55:42.000 Even though the economy collapsed as a direct result of the industry that they were involved in and the businesses they were running, they still got bonuses.
00:55:50.000 It's really crazy.
00:55:51.000 And what's interesting is that I guess most people, they don't connect that and they're not furious.
00:55:56.000 Like right now, they're trying to get rid of the Consumer Protection Bureau that keeps an eye on the banks.
00:56:03.000 They're trying to defang them.
00:56:05.000 And you would think that people who want their guns would also say, but I would like consumer protection so you don't screw me on my credit card.
00:56:12.000 But for some reason, because it doesn't align up with their team, they don't care about the issues that would protect them.
00:56:20.000 Isn't that super dangerous to have a right and a left?
00:56:23.000 I mean, it's just...
00:56:24.000 Because you always...
00:56:25.000 you go for independent candidates a lot, right?
00:56:26.000 You're looking for a third party.
00:56:28.000 And what prevents there from being a logical third party?
00:56:32.000 Well, I think we had it with Ross Perot, right?
00:56:35.000 I think Ross Perot was a logical third party, and it became very dangerous for people, and that's one of the reasons why the Commission for Presidential Debates changed the threshold.
00:56:42.000 Like, back then, you needed 5% in the primary in order to be included in the debates.
00:56:47.000 You put Ross Perot in the debate as an independent and extremely wealthy man who understands a lot about tax codes, understands a lot about foreign relations, and he became a huge problem and most likely cost Herbert Walker Bush his second term,
00:57:04.000 right?
00:57:04.000 Yes.
00:57:05.000 And that's why Clinton became president in the first place.
00:57:07.000 And the threshold is what now to get in those debates?
00:57:09.000 Well, I mean, Bernie Sanders is kind of an independent.
00:57:12.000 Right?
00:57:12.000 I mean, it's obviously that his party's not on his side.
00:57:15.000 We proved that with the DNC leaks, that they're conspiring against him, his actual own party.
00:57:21.000 Which is the same as changing the thresholds of the third party candidate can't be in the debates, right?
00:57:26.000 Right.
00:57:26.000 It's just another version of that.
00:57:28.000 Exactly, yeah.
00:57:29.000 It's another version of that.
00:57:30.000 Well, then you find out the Commission for Presidential Debates is not even a national thing.
00:57:37.000 It's like a privately funded thing.
00:57:39.000 It's a private company.
00:57:41.000 Like, they can choose, like, how they, like, what, like, oh, let's make it 15%.
00:57:46.000 You have to get 15%.
00:57:47.000 And then they can just change it.
00:57:49.000 Like, that guy was a problem. 1.00
00:57:50.000 That guy was a pain in the ass. 1.00
00:57:51.000 Let's change the threshold. 1.00
00:57:53.000 Yeah, what could go wrong?
00:57:54.000 Yeah.
00:57:54.000 Are you, I mean, there are people who feel like left and right are the same thing when you really get down to it or they're protecting the same interests in some way.
00:58:07.000 Are you a believer in that or not?
00:58:10.000 Yeah.
00:58:10.000 I think that the most of the people that are on the left and most of the people on the right aren't even really thinking about whatever their party stands for.
00:58:19.000 They are just like you said, they are sticking with the team, whether it's the left team or the right team.
00:58:24.000 I think radical ideologies, whether it's on the left or the right, they share a lot of common traits.
00:58:31.000 And one of the things they share is that there's a complete lack of objectivity, lack of objectivity and lack of introspective thought in terms of like what their party is actually doing, what it means to be a liberal, what it means to be progressive, what it means to be Republican, what it means to be conservative.
00:58:45.000 You just get into this groove like this is what we do. 1.00
00:58:49.000 Fuck global warming. 1.00
00:58:50.000 It's not real. 1.00
00:58:51.000 You know, and then fuck this, and you can't be racist against a white person. 1.00
00:58:54.000 Like, people have these ridiculous ideas on the left and on the right. 1.00
00:58:58.000 They just dig their heels into the sand they don't even think about, and they just go with it because that's what the party says. 0.92
00:59:03.000 And it's just a game.
00:59:05.000 Yeah.
00:59:05.000 Because after the election, I called a lot of politicians and a bunch of journalists.
00:59:10.000 I was just trying to get a sense of what's going on.
00:59:11.000 How could I get involved?
00:59:12.000 What was there to do?
00:59:13.000 And it was really dispiriting.
00:59:16.000 It was all reactive.
00:59:17.000 Everyone was like, well, we have to see what they do to decide how to react.
00:59:21.000 And I was like...
00:59:22.000 So you were just super upset that Trump won?
00:59:24.000 Yeah, I could see what was about to happen, and everything I was concerned about did happen.
00:59:28.000 But they basically all said, well, you have to let him do his thing to then react and then have the population react to what he did.
00:59:35.000 Did you have any concerns at all about Hillary?
00:59:38.000 Well, I think it reminded me a little bit of...
00:59:44.000 I mean...
00:59:48.000 I'm aware of what those issues are, but I do think there are large choices that just affect millions and hundreds of millions of people.
00:59:58.000 Like, for instance, when a guy like Donald Trump says, we're not going to give money to any aid service around the world that says anything about abortion.
01:00:06.000 Forget giving out abortions.
01:00:07.000 If they hand out a pamphlet and it says that's an option, they don't get money.
01:00:11.000 So if you're a country in Africa and there's only one aid service Aid service that feeds starving people, but you also hand out a pamphlet on abortion.
01:00:20.000 You don't get any of the money anymore.
01:00:21.000 No, I agree. 1.00
01:00:22.000 Trump's fucked up, and a lot of the things he does are fucked up. 0.99
01:00:25.000 But did you have any problems at all with Hillary? 1.00
01:00:26.000 Well, I had a big issue that she does not seem to understand...
01:00:33.000 Certain issues, like the speech, getting paid for the speeches, that her blind spot, and she has revealed to still have it after the election, that like, why did I go there?
01:00:44.000 Because I got paid.
01:00:46.000 I guess they've made over $100 million giving speeches, Bill and Hillary Clinton, which on one level you go, yeah.
01:00:54.000 People don't understand.
01:00:55.000 I'm going to go do a stand-up corporate gig and it's crazy money.
01:01:00.000 There's a crazy corporate speech money floating out there.
01:01:04.000 Yeah, but wait a minute.
01:01:05.000 You can't compare the two.
01:01:06.000 No, no, I'm not defending it yet.
01:01:07.000 I'm just saying she has a blind spot to the potential for corruption that people see in that. 0.99
01:01:16.000 And that she, when you're getting, I mean, one article said it was like $150 billion between the two of them over like 10 years or so.
01:01:25.000 The fact that she doesn't even have a good game to defend it, that you can't go up against Trump and say he's corrupt while you're getting that much money from corporate interests.
01:01:38.000 She never even saw how offensive it was that...
01:01:43.000 It's the kind that Bernie Sanders doesn't do.
01:01:45.000 So people go, well, at least he's not lining his pockets with that money.
01:01:48.000 Hillary's basically saying, I line my pockets with that money, but I still have my own opinions.
01:01:54.000 And the blind spot, at least to the outrage of it, is something that threw me.
01:02:02.000 But...
01:02:04.000 Ultimately, the main choices that she wanted to make on a lot of issues are so much more in line with what I believe than Trump, that although not a perfect candidate, Trump is trying to get this healthcare thing through and doesn't seem that concerned about it.
01:02:27.000 I think she represents someone who's dishonest, though.
01:02:41.000 And that's a real problem when you're going to have a leader of this country.
01:02:45.000 Incredible country.
01:02:46.000 And someone who's clearly dishonest and has been dishonest for a long time.
01:02:50.000 Like when they talked to her about the emails, every interview she gave about it, she would give varying responses.
01:02:54.000 A lot of them were dishonest.
01:02:56.000 A lot of it was not based on facts.
01:02:57.000 When she compared what she said, Comey said to her during the investigation versus what Comey was saying publicly, they were totally different things.
01:03:05.000 Oh, I totally understand.
01:03:06.000 And I think that there's a lot of politics that's really bad and really dirty.
01:03:10.000 And I don't know enough on each specific thing to have a...
01:03:14.000 I don't know.
01:03:35.000 Is let the smart rich people get richer and something nice might happen for you that he's so dishonest on a level that you can't compare to Hillary. 0.80
01:03:44.000 It's just so... 0.99
01:03:45.000 I mean, he admits that he's a liar. 0.89
01:03:48.000 Now, I'm fully with you on this, but I think that whenever people criticize Trump or whenever the people talk about Hillary, rather, one of the first things they do is say Trump is worse. 0.84
01:03:58.000 Instead of talking about how weird...
01:04:01.000 She's such a non-ideal candidate.
01:04:04.000 She was such a terrible candidate. 0.78
01:04:06.000 She didn't believe in gay marriage until 2013. In 2013 she was publicly stating that gay marriage should not be legal.
01:04:15.000 That a legal marriage should be between a man and a woman.
01:04:18.000 And clearly for only political reasons.
01:04:19.000 She obviously had no issue with it at all.
01:04:22.000 And I agree with you.
01:04:23.000 I feel like there is a part of politics where people You know, like, say, my position was evolving on that.
01:04:31.000 When, no, your position wasn't evolving, you just weren't fighting for what you actually believe.
01:04:36.000 And Obama took a while to make big moves on that.
01:04:40.000 But I still think, at core, people like that are trying to figure out the system to help people, and I can't say I understand what Trump is in this for, other than to be considered the greatest winner of all time.
01:04:54.000 Yeah, I think that's probably exactly it.
01:04:56.000 I don't think he really wanted to be president.
01:04:58.000 I think he was doing it to sort of boost his brand.
01:05:01.000 And along the way, he lost his television show, right? 0.99
01:05:04.000 When he was doing all that build that wall shit and running, you know, the wall just got 10 feet higher. 1.00
01:05:09.000 And NBC was like, fuck you, man. 1.00
01:05:11.000 We're canceling your show. 1.00
01:05:12.000 And when they did that, I think he was like, oh, yeah, well, I'm really going to be fucking president now. 0.99
01:05:17.000 And he kept going and going and going. 0.99
01:05:18.000 And then he won.
01:05:20.000 I mean, it seems to me like the whole thing was started almost as a publicity campaign, like a fun thing.
01:05:25.000 What if his people said that?
01:05:27.000 There was a woman in publicity for him who left.
01:05:29.000 She's the only person I know who left the campaign for this reason.
01:05:32.000 I forgot her name, but it was very public.
01:05:36.000 She said it publicly.
01:05:40.000 Yeah.
01:06:01.000 What I find fascinating to watch is Trump slowly getting comfortable with power as he thinks he's figuring it out is interesting.
01:06:11.000 I mean, even the Jared Kushner thing is kind of hilarious.
01:06:15.000 You have this son-in-law.
01:06:16.000 So now you have a blind spot that anyone in the world thinks it's weird that you give your son-in-law, a real estate developer, so much power.
01:06:24.000 And he doesn't care at all because he doesn't trust anybody except like four people.
01:06:27.000 So he's got to give them all the power.
01:06:28.000 But he puts them in charge of fixing everything wrong with the infrastructure of government and the Middle East and two or three other things.
01:06:38.000 And Trump doesn't understand how insane that appears and also how each task is impossible.
01:06:46.000 This is my son-in-law.
01:06:47.000 He's going to fix government and the Middle East. 0.99
01:06:52.000 The type of guy that doesn't realize, well, maybe there's one person for each of those jobs, that's where I just go, oh, he's full-out crazy, because who would even do that to their son-in-law? 1.00
01:07:03.000 Maybe his son-in-law is a pain in the ass. 1.00
01:07:06.000 He's like, this fucking kid thinks he could do things? 1.00
01:07:08.000 Alright, I'll give you the worst job ever. 1.00
01:07:10.000 Go fix government.
01:07:11.000 Go fix the Middle East. 1.00
01:07:12.000 I got it.
01:07:13.000 I'm gonna prove my worth to you, sir.
01:07:15.000 And he's sitting there with his Ray-Ban sunglasses and his preppy outfit.
01:07:20.000 I mean, you know, it's become so comical.
01:07:25.000 You know, it's a fascinating thing because it's both terrifying and And comical.
01:07:31.000 If this was a movie, it's too broad and you wouldn't believe it.
01:07:34.000 You would just go, too much is happening in every scene, too many crazy thoughts.
01:07:39.000 And what I guess what I wonder, and maybe you have an opinion about this, there are people who say it is the destruction of truth when you just make these lies up all day long, that you change the definition of truth or even people's ability to decide what they think is the truth.
01:07:59.000 Is that a philosophy that someone like Bannon is executing in the White House or something that happens randomly and is organic out of them?
01:08:11.000 That's a real good question.
01:08:13.000 I mean, there's always the concept, absolute power corrupts absolutely.
01:08:16.000 And knowing that you're in some sort of a competition, knowing that there's people trying to knock you down, and you're in this position of power, and you're shoring up your defenses, and I think there's a lot of weird stuff that goes on whenever you're the winning team.
01:08:34.000 And you realize you're being attacked at all angles by this other team. 1.00
01:08:38.000 And then you've got this guy who's the head guy who's a fucking maniac. 0.99
01:08:41.000 He's got fake hair. 1.00
01:08:43.000 He puts a spray tan on every day.
01:08:45.000 He's out there.
01:08:46.000 His eyes are white.
01:08:47.000 No one tells him.
01:08:48.000 His face is orange. 1.00
01:08:49.000 He's saying insane shit. 1.00
01:08:52.000 He contradicts himself all the time. 1.00
01:08:54.000 He lies all the time about numbers.
01:08:56.000 He's always bragging about how well his ratings are and how shows do really well because everybody knows he watches the show.
01:09:04.000 It's crazy stuff that you just don't expect from someone who's in the position of President of the United States.
01:09:10.000 I think almost all bets are off at this point.
01:09:12.000 That's the one thing that I find promising about this, that people are so upset by how fucked up this is that they're going to get politically active and that they're going to realize there's some real holes in the system.
01:09:23.000 The president shouldn't just be able to fire the head of the FBI because you don't like the investigation. 0.95
01:09:30.000 That's insane.
01:09:31.000 And Sessions recused himself, but he can fire the guy investigating himself. 0.71
01:09:36.000 Insane. 0.52
01:09:37.000 It's all insane.
01:09:38.000 But I guess what my fear would be is that...
01:09:43.000 It just swings back the other way.
01:09:46.000 Like, you could just swing left, right, left, right.
01:09:48.000 But are any institutional protections ever put in place because it just swings back and forth?
01:09:55.000 Like, for instance, say, like, we don't, you know, I'm not an expert in healthcare.
01:09:59.000 But let's assume it's just a shitstorm, right?
01:10:03.000 And in a year or two, whatever, millions of people are losing the healthcare.
01:10:08.000 And every day you're just hearing about hundreds of people who have cancer who can't pay for their medicine.
01:10:12.000 Right.
01:10:12.000 What happens in this country?
01:10:14.000 Do people get mad at the Republicans?
01:10:17.000 Do they vote them out? 0.67
01:10:18.000 Or there's not enough sick people to make the change?
01:10:23.000 I think there's so many issues.
01:10:25.000 There's so many issues that, like, where do you draw the line?
01:10:28.000 Do you draw the line at them taking the teeth out of the EPA, which is what they've done? 0.99
01:10:32.000 The Environmental Protection Agency is fucked now. 0.97
01:10:34.000 I mean, they're removing the satellites that track global warming. 0.98
01:10:37.000 They're stopping funding for all these different initiatives and all these different programs and all these different studies. 0.84
01:10:44.000 They're trying to figure out what the fuck is going on with the planet. 0.74
01:10:48.000 They're like, that, that, that, stop all that. 0.97
01:10:49.000 What we really need is Enron and Exxon and all these different companies, big conglomerates, big corporations.
01:10:56.000 We need to drill.
01:10:57.000 We need to drill.
01:10:58.000 We need to frack.
01:10:59.000 We need to go over where, you know, Alaska and we're in the Antarctica.
01:11:03.000 Stand that ground.
01:11:04.000 Pull that oil out.
01:11:05.000 And that's scary. 1.00
01:11:08.000 And then you hear the healthcare shit. 1.00
01:11:09.000 Well, that's scary, too. 1.00
01:11:11.000 And then you hear the Russian shit. 1.00
01:11:12.000 Well, that's fucking scary. 1.00
01:11:14.000 In North Korea. 1.00
01:11:14.000 Oh, that's scary. 1.00
01:11:15.000 There's so many different things to be scared about.
01:11:18.000 I don't think...
01:11:20.000 People who don't have cancer or don't have diseases are really considering all this healthcare stuff.
01:11:24.000 I think it's one of those things that happens once you have a health issue. 0.98
01:11:28.000 Then you realize how fucked the system is. 0.98
01:11:31.000 And especially if you don't have the money to take care of it, you're like, wow. 0.99
01:11:34.000 Like, our medical system in this country is not the best.
01:11:38.000 We have the best doctors, we certainly have the best surgeons, and we have some pretty amazing innovative medicine.
01:11:43.000 But when it comes to the system itself, when you find out how much people have to pay...
01:11:49.000 When they go to the doctor.
01:11:50.000 And how about you have insurance?
01:11:52.000 Well, your insurance only covers so much.
01:11:53.000 You still have to pay more.
01:11:54.000 Sure.
01:11:55.000 My mom died of ovarian cancer, and I just remember going through those bills, and there was a lot of experimental medicine that potentially could save her, and you didn't know if insurance would say...
01:12:10.000 Right.
01:12:14.000 Right.
01:12:23.000 You might have to go to war to say why you need it now. 0.60
01:12:27.000 A number of crunchers.
01:12:29.000 I'm just always fascinated that it doesn't line up for people.
01:12:32.000 Like, say you love the outdoors and you love hunting.
01:12:34.000 Well, don't you love the environment?
01:12:36.000 And so why are you not really pissed?
01:12:40.000 Or, Trump's going to build a wall, and he's going to take a lot of people's land away to build the wall.
01:12:44.000 Well, I thought that was the big issue for all these militia groups, don't mess with our land.
01:12:48.000 Yeah.
01:12:49.000 Is that what he's going to do?
01:12:50.000 He's going to take land away to build the wall?
01:12:51.000 Well, the only way to build the wall in a lot of places- Get on people's private land.
01:12:55.000 A lot of private land.
01:12:56.000 I mean, that's a jagged path when you're building that wall, and you have to take away a lot of people's land to pull that off.
01:13:08.000 So that's what scares me the most about America.
01:13:10.000 There's an illogic to people's opinions.
01:13:14.000 I think there's too many variables.
01:13:16.000 I think there's too many things for people to consider, and I think people work all day, and then they have hobbies and families and things they enjoy doing, and they don't have the time.
01:13:23.000 I mean, each one of those issues would require a full-time job all day long, investigating it, debating it, discussing it, whether it's Flynn's ties to Russia, or what Session knows, and how many times did he speak to the Russians, or what did Jared Kushner actually do in the Middle East?
01:13:41.000 Like, what is he doing in the overall?
01:13:42.000 Each one of those is a full-time job.
01:13:45.000 What is he saying to Netanyahu alone in the room?
01:13:48.000 How do they let him do that? 1.00
01:13:49.000 He looks like such a dork. 0.97
01:13:51.000 Did you see the pictures of him with the bulletproof vest on overseas and he's hanging around with the actual soldiers and he's sitting there with his Ray-Bans on? 0.99
01:13:58.000 And his masking tape with his name magic marker on it.
01:14:03.000 I don't know.
01:14:04.000 It's a comedy, man.
01:14:05.000 I have to say, as a creative person who's going to be at the Wilbur, When are you at the Wilbur?
01:14:12.000 This is called the mid-show plug, everybody.
01:14:16.000 The Wilbur in Boston just added a late show for charity for the after-school programs for Boston Arts.
01:14:22.000 July 24th, thewilbur.com.
01:14:24.000 One of my favorite theaters in the world.
01:14:26.000 And the best crowds.
01:14:27.000 Amazing.
01:14:28.000 It's incredible and it feels like you're in a club.
01:14:30.000 There's a thousand people in there but they're all in three tiers and so it's very short.
01:14:35.000 It's like three 300 seat comedy clubs jammed in there together.
01:14:39.000 Yeah, it's the perfect layout for comedy.
01:14:41.000 It really is.
01:14:42.000 And then I'll be in Providence, Rhode Island at the Columbus Theater July 25th and at the Ridgefield Playhouse in Ridgefield, Connecticut July 23rd.
01:14:51.000 And I'm taping my special in Montreal at the Just for Laughs Festival because they seem to be Amused by me there.
01:14:57.000 Oh, that's an amazing place to do it.
01:14:59.000 At the festival?
01:14:59.000 At the festival, yeah.
01:15:00.000 How many shows are you going to do?
01:15:02.000 I'm doing five shows.
01:15:03.000 I'm taping four of them.
01:15:04.000 Oh, that's a good move.
01:15:05.000 I like that.
01:15:05.000 I like when I hear that.
01:15:06.000 I hate when I hear someone taping one show.
01:15:08.000 No, no.
01:15:09.000 I could panic and ruin one show.
01:15:11.000 I could actually, if I did only two shows, I could panic the first show and then go, okay, now I only have one show to get it and panic again.
01:15:19.000 Who are you doing your special for?
01:15:21.000 For Netflix.
01:15:21.000 Oh, yeah.
01:15:23.000 That's the way to go.
01:15:23.000 It was my turn.
01:15:24.000 Nice.
01:15:28.000 And I haven't done something like that since basically the HBO Young Comedians special in 1992 with Ray Romano, the guy who got fired so you could have your career.
01:15:36.000 No, I didn't.
01:15:37.000 He got fired so somebody else could take it, and then that guy fired, and I took his.
01:15:41.000 Oh, who was that?
01:15:42.000 I don't know.
01:15:42.000 Who was the in-between guy?
01:15:43.000 Some guy was on the pilot.
01:15:44.000 There was a guy on the pilot that was not Ray.
01:15:47.000 Ray got fired, and another guy took his spot.
01:15:49.000 And then that guy fired, and I took that guy's spot.
01:15:51.000 Well, Paul Sims is vicious.
01:15:54.000 He was going to get it done right.
01:15:55.000 I was around a little bit in the news radio days, just as a friend of Paul's and Andy Dix.
01:16:01.000 And that is a show that holds up and is really funny.
01:16:05.000 Yeah, well, I was just happy that there was a buffer between me and Ray, because I love Ray.
01:16:09.000 I would not have wanted to be the guy that takes Ray's job.
01:16:12.000 I think Ray is one of the first people to tell you he probably was not prepared as an actor at that exact moment.
01:16:18.000 Well, it was the wrong gig for him.
01:16:20.000 Everybody Loves Raymond was the perfect gig.
01:16:22.000 Let him write for himself and let him figure it all out and become obsessed with it.
01:16:28.000 He's such a good guy, too.
01:16:30.000 Oh, he's the best.
01:16:31.000 Ray Romano is one of the nicest people I've ever met.
01:16:33.000 And so good in our movie The Big Sick.
01:16:35.000 Honestly, the dream part, so funny, so real, very...
01:16:40.000 I mean, it's the culmination of everything he's learned as an actor and a person.
01:16:47.000 So I'm very excited about that.
01:16:49.000 Remember when he was doing that TBS thing?
01:16:51.000 He was doing like a drama for a while?
01:16:52.000 Yeah.
01:16:52.000 Yeah, Men of a Certain Age.
01:16:53.000 Bunch of depressed dudes.
01:16:55.000 That's what I called it. 0.54
01:16:56.000 Bunch of depressed dudes.
01:16:57.000 I called it the Judd Apatow story.
01:17:01.000 And yeah, he's so good.
01:17:03.000 He was on Parenthood for a while.
01:17:06.000 And I've gotten to spend a little time with him because of this movie.
01:17:08.000 But it is funny that we were on the Young Comedian special in 1992. That is amazing.
01:17:13.000 And now you're back at it.
01:17:14.000 And now I'm back doing it again.
01:17:16.000 So you've done stand-up now for three years?
01:17:19.000 Since, yeah, since 2014. Three years straight.
01:17:22.000 And then how many years in were you like, I think I've got a special here?
01:17:27.000 They asked me to do it a year ago, and I said, okay, give me one more year.
01:17:31.000 That's very honest of you.
01:17:34.000 Well, you know, everybody's so good.
01:17:36.000 I mean, I was performing the other night, In the original room.
01:17:39.000 And you were in the main room.
01:17:41.000 And I could hear the place rocking from the stage of the original room.
01:17:48.000 Maybe my crowd was too quiet that I could hear you.
01:17:51.000 I could hear your laughs and you just, you know, talking loud.
01:17:54.000 And so I always think, wow, people are so good right now.
01:17:59.000 People are...
01:18:01.000 Masters at this and I can't be mediocre at it.
01:18:05.000 I mean, I'm in the same business as you and Maria Bamford and Louis C.K. and Hannibal and I have to be able to be proud of what I'm doing.
01:18:14.000 Yeah, Joey Diaz and Bill Burr.
01:18:15.000 This is a different time.
01:18:17.000 There's so many murderers out there right now.
01:18:20.000 Yeah, I mean, I was watching Burr.
01:18:22.000 I did a Largo show that he was on, and I was just watching him from the side of the stage.
01:18:26.000 And just his level of intensity is so...
01:18:29.000 You know, in a weird way, it's so professional.
01:18:31.000 And I noticed it with you the other night, too, that you could get yourself in that state where...
01:18:35.000 Where you care so much and you're so passionate and it requires so much energy and focus to get to that place, to perform with that passion.
01:18:46.000 It's just really impressive because for me, I can just get tired and start staring at my shoes.
01:18:51.000 I just get tired halfway through.
01:18:52.000 I just felt a wave of like after you eat a big meal and you just get tired.
01:18:57.000 It just hits you eight minutes in.
01:18:59.000 What I'm always trying to accomplish is trying to get out whatever I'm trying to talk about with the most power that I can.
01:19:06.000 What's the best way to do it?
01:19:07.000 Is the best way to do it slow and calm and let people soak in the idea?
01:19:12.000 Or is the best way to do it to be intense?
01:19:16.000 What is the most entertaining way that I would be engaging this material?
01:19:21.000 Figure whatever that is and fuck with it and move it around and bring it up and bring it down and that's one of the things where the store is such a great place to focus on that kind of stuff because there's so many killers because the standards are so high that you have to really you really have to be on point and it's packed every night you go to the comedy store the main room which usually just be desolate like four years ago it's sold out like it's Vegas every night every night I walk in there I'm like I got some new jokes I'm like How many new jokes can I do
01:19:51.000 when this is a big, sold-out, excited crowd?
01:19:54.000 We've changed the face of comedy in L.A. now.
01:19:57.000 I mean, comedy in L.A. is a different thing now over the last few years.
01:20:01.000 It's also funny how...
01:20:03.000 A place like the Comedy Store, you know, our friend Adam Egat, who books it.
01:20:10.000 Just one guy with good taste booking the club well, and suddenly everyone in town wants to run to that club again.
01:20:16.000 Both comedians and the audience, because Adam does such a good job booking it.
01:20:21.000 And opening up that back bar, where you gave us a place where the public can't go and the comics can go and hang out, that was giant, where there was a place to chill and hang out.
01:20:29.000 People were like, you'd be sitting there with Ron White, like, I'm on in five, see ya boys.
01:20:33.000 And he'd go out there and do a set, then Diaz would come back, and all these different people are hanging out there.
01:20:37.000 And you're like, wow, this place is like something special.
01:20:41.000 They made changes.
01:20:42.000 They figured things out.
01:20:43.000 They did things differently.
01:20:44.000 I missed just hanging out with comics.
01:20:47.000 When I wasn't doing stand-up, I was like...
01:20:50.000 I don't know anybody anymore.
01:20:52.000 Like, I literally don't know anybody.
01:20:54.000 It's just the idea of being a part of that community.
01:20:57.000 And it is a community of people that are really smart, you know, really, really funny, and I think generally an incredibly supportive community to each other.
01:21:07.000 Yes.
01:21:08.000 Yeah, well, I think especially now there's so many opportunities.
01:21:11.000 I don't think people feel like as starved I think there was a famine mentality that was going on way back in the day when it was everybody competing for tonight show spots And then every now and then someone got an HBO special and it was holy shit There was not that many HBO specials but other than that you had to do talk shows And you had to do like a few minutes on a talk show or,
01:21:32.000 you know, maybe you were like a Richard Jenny who thrived in that format and you could do 30 Tonight Show things and then fill up arenas because of that.
01:21:39.000 But for most people, it was a scratch-and-claw environment.
01:21:43.000 And people were fighting to try to get a sitcom and fighting to try to get movie roles and all these...
01:21:49.000 There was not a lot.
01:21:50.000 But now, because of the internet, because of YouTube, because of social media, and then Netflix, which was giant, there's so much opportunity.
01:21:59.000 And the comedians have also found way more of an audience.
01:22:03.000 There's way more audience out there.
01:22:04.000 Because people realize, like, oh look, Sarah Silverman has a new Netflix special.
01:22:08.000 Oh look, Jim Jefferies has a new Netflix special.
01:22:10.000 Oh look, Bill Burr has a new Netflix special.
01:22:12.000 And just keeps going and going and going and going and going.
01:22:14.000 It's almost unstoppable.
01:22:16.000 I remember when I was a kid, there was nothing.
01:22:17.000 It was just like Robert Klein would have a special every couple of years.
01:22:21.000 George Carlin every couple of years.
01:22:22.000 They didn't give the hours to many people.
01:22:24.000 And there were so many people that probably could have done a Netflix special back then.
01:22:29.000 And they didn't have the audience.
01:22:30.000 They never got the shot.
01:22:31.000 And they just sort of stayed at a certain state in their career forever.
01:22:36.000 Yeah.
01:22:37.000 You know, it's just, this is an amazing, amazing time for it.
01:22:40.000 Yeah, and it's good. 0.99
01:22:41.000 I mean, I watch people, I'm like, God damn, that's, people are fucking great. 0.99
01:22:46.000 Yeah. 0.99
01:22:46.000 I mean, I really like watch people. 0.99
01:22:48.000 I was watching Ray Romano the other night.
01:22:49.000 His act was just monstrous.
01:22:51.000 He was so strong.
01:22:53.000 Have you seen Andrew Santino at the store?
01:22:54.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00
01:22:55.000 Fuck, that guy's good. 1.00
01:22:55.000 I'm great on that show. 1.00
01:22:57.000 I'm the man up here.
01:22:58.000 I mean, so good.
01:23:00.000 It's exciting.
01:23:01.000 I can't think about it too much because sometimes I think, if there's so many people, why do it?
01:23:05.000 But I'm trying to make it very much about the audience and me and that...
01:23:09.000 You know, because I make movies and do TV, that my stand-up career really is just about getting to hang out with everybody and my relationship with that particular crowd that night.
01:23:21.000 Like, I don't need it to pay the rent so I could do it from a very pure place because it's just about these...
01:23:28.000 That's great.
01:23:29.000 And that frees me up to not be nervous, and then I can be a little more daring because it's not going to sink me if anything goes wrong.
01:23:37.000 Do you think that it enhances your ability to make movies?
01:23:39.000 Does it enhance your perspective or sense of funny?
01:23:42.000 I think that when you don't talk directly to the crowd...
01:23:46.000 You get stale as to what people are thinking about.
01:23:51.000 I can tell, I don't know, just when I bring up certain topics, just what people's concerns are.
01:23:57.000 And it happens unconsciously.
01:23:59.000 Oh, this is what people find funny these days.
01:24:01.000 This is what people are freaking out about.
01:24:04.000 This is what people are happy about.
01:24:05.000 And when you don't do it, you're just alone in a room with your editor.
01:24:08.000 You're just sitting with one dude for two years.
01:24:12.000 And I think...
01:24:15.000 I also think you're connecting to some, you know, whatever.
01:24:19.000 The creativity of the universe because you're in spaces with a lot of people, with a lot of other creative people, and you're hooking into creativity on some level.
01:24:29.000 I've always wondered how comedy writers who don't do stand-up can do it.
01:24:33.000 I've always wondered, like, how do they know it's funny?
01:24:35.000 Like, how do they know what they're guessing?
01:24:37.000 Well, it's weird to write jokes, make a movie, and then two years later find out if they're funny.
01:24:42.000 That's horrible.
01:24:42.000 That's why people say, oh, why do you have so much improv?
01:24:44.000 Because I don't want to be in an editing room, put in the joke I wrote, realize it sucks, and then go, do we have any other jokes?
01:24:51.000 And the editor says, no.
01:24:54.000 So I always want...
01:24:55.000 With any scene, I always go, well, that's where the joke's supposed to be.
01:24:59.000 Here's my favorite.
01:25:00.000 Let's get eight more, and then we'll move on.
01:25:03.000 I never think...
01:25:04.000 People like the Coen brothers... 0.92
01:25:07.000 And it's verbatim.
01:25:08.000 You can't change a comma when they shoot it.
01:25:10.000 Is that what it is with them?
01:25:12.000 Yeah.
01:25:12.000 It's like a play.
01:25:13.000 And I respect it, but I do not have the courage to assume when I hit editing that I am such a genius that I will not have fucked up any of this in the writing.
01:25:23.000 They have a weird kind of comedy, though.
01:25:25.000 Their comedy is so cool.
01:25:26.000 Quirky and fascinating.
01:25:29.000 And I guess maybe it's just that purity of vision that they have in sticking to that script.
01:25:34.000 And a lot of people do that.
01:25:36.000 I mean, Noah Baumbach does that.
01:25:38.000 You can't change any of it.
01:25:39.000 But I always think...
01:25:42.000 I don't know.
01:25:42.000 If an actor's on a set, Ray Romano's on the set of The Big Sick and he's talking about his feelings and he has the scene.
01:25:48.000 If I go, you know, Michael Showalter directed that movie.
01:25:53.000 Hey, let him do another one.
01:25:54.000 Let's just let him change it.
01:25:56.000 Tell him to hit the same idea.
01:25:58.000 Right.
01:25:59.000 Half the time he beats the joke.
01:26:01.000 Half the time.
01:26:02.000 Yeah.
01:26:02.000 If you have the right cast.
01:26:03.000 Well, that was what Sims did on news radio.
01:26:06.000 He let everybody just come up with better lines.
01:26:09.000 It was a big part of why the show works so well.
01:26:12.000 It's like we all felt really invested in the creative process.
01:26:16.000 Yeah, and that's so rare.
01:26:18.000 I remember Shanling would do that on the Larry Sanders show.
01:26:21.000 They would rehearse for several days.
01:26:23.000 And in that rehearsal, people were allowed to screw around.
01:26:26.000 And if something good came up, Gary would write it down.
01:26:30.000 And Hartman was the funniest.
01:26:31.000 Phil Hartman really was funny.
01:26:34.000 When you really make the list of the funniest people of all time, he's just so high up on that list.
01:26:40.000 It was a remarkable thing.
01:26:41.000 I would go to tapings of that show and SNL tapings.
01:26:44.000 And at one point I was talking about writing an HBO special with him.
01:26:48.000 And I don't know if there's ever been anyone more talented in more ways than him.
01:26:53.000 No, he was brilliant.
01:26:54.000 He really was incredibly disciplined, too.
01:26:57.000 When I was on the set with him, he was becoming a pilot.
01:27:00.000 And so he was in the middle of scenes.
01:27:03.000 He would be reading flight books and reading books on aviation and writing notes and taking notes.
01:27:09.000 He was so organized.
01:27:11.000 Like, his scripts, he would put them all in a binder.
01:27:14.000 He would take the script immediately, put a three punch, put it in a binder, and he would have tabs For each of his scenes.
01:27:21.000 And each tab had a different color.
01:27:22.000 This is scene one, scene two.
01:27:24.000 And he would have everything set up like that.
01:27:25.000 And have his lines highlighted.
01:27:27.000 And he would practice them and have them down to like a razor sharp.
01:27:31.000 Yeah.
01:27:32.000 It was amazing.
01:27:34.000 He was a really, really, really interesting guy.
01:27:36.000 Very unique.
01:27:37.000 I don't think I've ever met anybody like him.
01:27:40.000 Because he also came out of, he was a designer.
01:27:43.000 Graphic artist.
01:27:44.000 Yeah.
01:27:45.000 Did album covers and stuff.
01:27:46.000 And he said that he got Saturday Night Live because he went in for the audition and he was retiring because his career hadn't worked out the way he wanted it to.
01:27:55.000 And then someone said, do you want to go in for SNL? And he was so ready to be done that he had an amazing audition because he assumed he wouldn't get it.
01:28:02.000 And basically it was like, fuck this business. 0.98
01:28:04.000 And then that's the moment when he was his purest, funniest self and just got it. 0.99
01:28:08.000 Wow.
01:28:10.000 Interesting guy, man.
01:28:11.000 He was blackmailed while we were on the show.
01:28:15.000 And while we were on the show, he and his wife actually had went to a strip club.
01:28:20.000 And this was like 1997?
01:28:26.000 97 98 somewhere around there. 0.98
01:28:28.000 So this some asshole at a strip club got a video camera brought in a video camera and filmed like a fucking video camera back then like you had to carry it and he filmed Phil and his wife at a strip cup laughing just having a couple of drinks and I think Phil got a lap dance and his wife got a lap dance And this guy put a copy of this videotape in an envelope and nailed it to Phil's garage door with 0.99
01:28:58.000 a note saying... 0.99
01:29:00.000 That's like Letterman's thing. 1.00
01:29:00.000 It was scary shit, yeah. 1.00
01:29:02.000 But it was different because Letterman's thing was someone he knew and this was not a guy he knew. 0.99
01:29:06.000 And this was a guy who found out where Phil lived and said, I'm going to get this to all of the advertisers that you do commercials with and all the people you do films with.
01:29:16.000 And I'm going to ruin your career unless you give me money.
01:29:19.000 Call me at this number. 1.00
01:29:19.000 The guy left his fucking number. 1.00
01:29:20.000 So Phil calls the guy, records the thing, and did it in the room with me. 1.00
01:29:25.000 And he goes, I'm going to call the guy now.
01:29:26.000 I'm going to call the guy now.
01:29:27.000 And he goes, hey, buddy, what's going on?
01:29:31.000 Listen, I understand what you're saying, but you've got to realize, I don't have as much money as you think I do.
01:29:39.000 I mean, I don't want the tape getting out, but you're making it out like it's a bigger deal than it is.
01:29:45.000 And the guy was like, look, I'm telling you, and this and that, and the guy's like, look, I'm willing to work with you.
01:29:50.000 Let's just come to a reasonable number.
01:29:53.000 So they come to this reasonable number, and this whole time where he's doing this, he's recording this, and he gets it to this private investigator guy. 0.98
01:30:00.000 And then this asshole meets the private investigator thinking he's gonna meet Phil and get paid and this private investigator guy scares the fucking shit out of him and threatens his life and takes his wallet from him, takes photos of his address and he basically says, 0.96
01:30:17.000 Don't ever contact him again, or your life will radically change in a horrible way. 1.00
01:30:22.000 And the guy disappeared.
01:30:24.000 But it was weird to be in the room with him when Phil's like, close the door, close the door, I'm gonna call him.
01:30:28.000 He's like wiping his hands.
01:30:29.000 That sounds like an Anthony Pelicano special.
01:30:32.000 Exactly, that's what we're talking about.
01:30:34.000 Yeah, that's exactly what we're talking about. 1.00
01:30:36.000 That's Ray Donovan shit. 1.00
01:30:38.000 Yeah, that's Ray Donovan shit. 1.00
01:30:39.000 It was weird. 0.99
01:30:40.000 It was weird to be there for that, to see, like...
01:30:42.000 And it was also to see, like, that someone would, like, try to weasel in on him.
01:30:46.000 Phil was just such a nice guy.
01:30:48.000 He just...
01:30:48.000 He knew this dude that was like a carpenter, and the guy did some work with him, and the guy called him out.
01:30:54.000 Called him, horrible sob story.
01:30:56.000 You know, we're gonna lose our house, and this and that.
01:30:59.000 I just, you know, just give me a little bit of a loan, and...
01:31:03.000 Okay.
01:31:03.000 So Phil gives him like $25,000.
01:31:06.000 Just gives this guy.
01:31:07.000 And then the guy calls him three months later and he asks for another $30,000. 0.99
01:31:10.000 And then Phil's like, what the fuck, man? 0.99
01:31:13.000 You know, like he was just almost too nice. 0.99
01:31:15.000 That's about how it usually goes with that.
01:31:17.000 It is.
01:31:18.000 You never lend someone money and then they go, you know what?
01:31:20.000 You solved all my problems and now I'm fine and here's the money back.
01:31:24.000 Did you ever lend anybody money?
01:31:26.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.
01:31:27.000 Did anybody ever pay you back?
01:31:28.000 Yes.
01:31:29.000 Okay.
01:31:29.000 I used to tell this story just because it's funny.
01:31:33.000 My friend Dave Rath, who manages Pete Holmes, at some point was transitioning and starting his own management company and asked me for some money.
01:31:40.000 Not much, but the only guy who ever paid me back, and quickly.
01:31:45.000 Yeah, that makes sense.
01:31:47.000 And is a great man and is producing my Netflix special.
01:31:51.000 Ha! 0.89
01:31:51.000 Well, that works. 0.89
01:31:52.000 But the only guy to ever...
01:31:55.000 Do what he said he was going to do.
01:31:57.000 Yeah.
01:31:57.000 It's always these people that have, dude, once this happens, then this is going to happen, and I'm going to be making this amount of money, and don't worry about it.
01:32:04.000 It's all going to come, but I just need a little right now.
01:32:06.000 It never happens.
01:32:07.000 Well, someone said the second people ask for money, they resent you.
01:32:11.000 And so even if you give people money, they're mad that they had to ask, and they kind of hate you because they had to ask you.
01:32:19.000 Ooh.
01:32:20.000 That's interesting.
01:32:21.000 Which is certainly what you feel.
01:32:24.000 Yeah.
01:32:24.000 Well, there's also the people that think that the way to make it is to get somebody else to get you through.
01:32:31.000 Like, you gotta call on favors.
01:32:33.000 You gotta have connections.
01:32:35.000 You gotta get your way through that way.
01:32:37.000 That's the way to do it.
01:32:38.000 Somebody gave you a break, man.
01:32:40.000 You need to give me a break.
01:32:42.000 Somebody gave you a break.
01:32:43.000 Like, it's just that mentality.
01:32:45.000 It's so wrong.
01:32:46.000 Oh, yeah.
01:32:47.000 I mean, one thing I'm proud of in my career is there really was...
01:32:50.000 I had no in's.
01:32:53.000 At all.
01:32:53.000 You know, my parents got divorced.
01:32:56.000 They were both bankrupt.
01:32:57.000 I started interviewing comedians for my high school radio station.
01:33:00.000 At some point, I got Jamie Masada from the Laugh Factory, who owns the Laugh Factory.
01:33:06.000 He had a magazine in the 80s, and he printed an interview I did with David Brenner.
01:33:12.000 And I think I did another one with Henny Youngman.
01:33:14.000 Then when I moved here in 85, I tried to get spots at this Laugh Factory and it was still hard to get up there, but I didn't know anybody.
01:33:23.000 And the person who really hooked me up...
01:33:26.000 With Sammy Shore.
01:33:28.000 Wow.
01:33:29.000 Sammy Shore started the comedy store.
01:33:31.000 Then he got divorced and Mitzi took it over and made it the great place it is.
01:33:35.000 But he started a comedy room in Marina Del Rey called Sammy's by the Shore in the back of a fish restaurant.
01:33:41.000 And he let me book it and in return I was allowed to go on.
01:33:47.000 And maybe I got 40 bucks a week.
01:33:50.000 And that's how I got stage time.
01:33:52.000 For the first year, when I didn't know what I was doing, I would book that club, which also gave me an excuse to call all the comics who I admired.
01:34:00.000 And it's funny, there's those people at a key moment Open the door for you.
01:34:06.000 But it's not because you knew them, it's just because you're willing to put in all the work somehow.
01:34:12.000 Right, right.
01:34:13.000 That's interesting, man.
01:34:14.000 Sammy's by the Shore.
01:34:16.000 I never heard about that one.
01:34:17.000 Do you remember the Valley Improv?
01:34:19.000 They had one in the Hilton in Sherman Oaks.
01:34:21.000 No, I wasn't around for that.
01:34:23.000 What year was that?
01:34:24.000 It was like late 80s.
01:34:26.000 I wasn't here until 94. Oh yeah, the late 80s and this guy Joe Drew, just the manager.
01:34:31.000 Great young guy.
01:34:32.000 I don't know where he is.
01:34:34.000 He used to say to me, Judd, come in, wait around.
01:34:36.000 If someone doesn't show up, I'll put you up.
01:34:38.000 And I was like 19 years old, and I would wait there all night, every night, thrilled to talk to everyone, because that's right when Sandler moved to town and David Spade and Schneider, and that's when I first met everybody.
01:34:52.000 And that guy would put me on.
01:34:53.000 And that's the funny thing about a career.
01:34:55.000 It's two or three people...
01:34:58.000 Who change everything for you.
01:35:01.000 There's this woman, Mary Parent, who is one of the heads of Universal, and I sold her the 40-year-old virgin, and she said, Judd, the second you hand in the script, I'm going to greenlight it.
01:35:13.000 I so believe in this idea and you and Steve.
01:35:16.000 And I literally faxed her, like page 90 to 108, and then she called and said, okay, start prepping.
01:35:23.000 Facts.
01:35:24.000 Yeah.
01:35:24.000 Faxed it.
01:35:25.000 Isn't that crazy?
01:35:27.000 Now, Joe, here's my question for you.
01:35:28.000 Okay.
01:35:29.000 Let's talk my workout for a second.
01:35:32.000 Let's talk my omega brain. 0.87
01:35:36.000 Alpha brain? 0.96
01:35:37.000 Alpha brain.
01:35:40.000 Now, Pete Holmes turned me on to the alpha brain.
01:35:44.000 And oddly, it completely works.
01:35:48.000 100%.
01:35:49.000 It's all based on science.
01:35:52.000 I mean, we have double-blind, placebo-controlled studies.
01:35:54.000 It's not something we invented in terms of the actual nutrients and their response to human neurotransmitters.
01:36:01.000 It's all been documented.
01:36:02.000 People have known about nootropics for a long time now.
01:36:05.000 And I always feel like I'm the perfect test case for a product like that.
01:36:10.000 Because...
01:36:12.000 Most days I go in a room with 11 writers in the morning.
01:36:16.000 I'm as tired and as foggy as you can be.
01:36:19.000 I do not drink coffee, so I don't...
01:36:21.000 You don't drink coffee at all?
01:36:22.000 I just don't like it, so I just...
01:36:24.000 The only coffee I like is ice blended mochas, which is all sugar.
01:36:27.000 Right.
01:36:28.000 So I avoid it.
01:36:29.000 And when I... I started taking that.
01:36:34.000 I would completely wake up and be sharp without some weird caffeine buzz or sick from it or whatever.
01:36:45.000 And I would see it every day like, wow, I was funny as hell for the last two and a half hours.
01:36:50.000 And I did not start in that place.
01:36:53.000 So I'm fascinated by your general...
01:36:56.000 What you're doing all day with all this stuff?
01:36:59.000 What's the current Joe program?
01:37:03.000 Well, I'm always doing something, you know, in terms of diet, you mean, or in terms of exercise?
01:37:10.000 What's the workout?
01:37:10.000 What's the diet?
01:37:11.000 What's the meditation?
01:37:12.000 What's the main tenets of your day?
01:37:14.000 Well, my workout, I schedule every Sunday.
01:37:17.000 I schedule everything that I'm going to do during the week.
01:37:20.000 I say, I have to do yoga two times this week.
01:37:22.000 I have to lift weights three times this week.
01:37:24.000 I have to run twice this week.
01:37:26.000 And however I fit that in, I fit that in.
01:37:29.000 But I owe those things.
01:37:30.000 So I have to get those things in.
01:37:32.000 The only exceptions are injuries and sickness.
01:37:34.000 So that's the schedule.
01:37:37.000 And then on top of that, there's other things that I enjoy doing.
01:37:41.000 Kickboxing, jiu-jitsu.
01:37:42.000 Work those in when I can.
01:37:44.000 Then, diet. 0.96
01:37:46.000 The diet is pretty strict in terms of, like, no bread, very few carbs, no sugar, no bullshit. 0.79
01:37:54.000 Like, healthy food. 0.83
01:37:55.000 A lot of vegetables.
01:37:56.000 A lot of meat.
01:37:57.000 Game meat, mostly.
01:37:58.000 Wild game.
01:37:59.000 And I take vitamin supplements every day.
01:38:02.000 I take multivitamins.
01:38:03.000 I take probiotics.
01:38:05.000 I take vitamin B12 and D and a lot of different things.
01:38:09.000 I do everything that I can to put my body and my brain in a good place so that I'm keeping my engine smooth.
01:38:18.000 I'm changing my oil.
01:38:20.000 I'm changing my spark plugs.
01:38:21.000 I'm making sure that it's operating.
01:38:23.000 I mean, it's not going to be perfect, but...
01:38:25.000 I know that I've done my best to keep it working the best that it can.
01:38:29.000 Who's the person that advises you on nutrition?
01:38:32.000 Is there a guy?
01:38:33.000 Is there a woman?
01:38:34.000 Who taught you how to do it?
01:38:36.000 How do you do it?
01:38:37.000 Well, there's a ton of people that I've used as a resource.
01:38:40.000 There's a woman that I have on the podcast on a regular basis. 0.81
01:38:43.000 Her name is Dr. Rhonda Patrick, and she's probably the best resource.
01:38:47.000 I sent her something the other day on some new...
01:38:51.000 Some new study on saturated fats.
01:38:52.000 Whenever there's some sort of an issue, there's a new study on cryotherapy or saunas.
01:38:58.000 Saunas are incredibly effective.
01:39:00.000 I don't know if you've ever...
01:39:00.000 We just got one.
01:39:02.000 With the UV rays or what is it?
01:39:06.000 What is it called?
01:39:08.000 Not ultra-violent.
01:39:10.000 Infrared.
01:39:10.000 Infrared, yes.
01:39:11.000 We just got one of those.
01:39:12.000 Saunas are giant.
01:39:13.000 The raising of the body temperature like that and the heat shock proteins, incredibly beneficial to your body.
01:39:19.000 There was a study that they put out recently that showed a 40% decrease in mortality from all causes due to people who take regular sauna.
01:39:27.000 It just literally keeps your body healthier.
01:39:30.000 Having that massive exposure to heat and your body producing these heat shock proteins, it reduces inflammation.
01:39:37.000 It just...
01:39:38.000 It helps in so many different areas for people.
01:39:40.000 And just sit down in the hot room.
01:39:42.000 It's really good for your body.
01:39:43.000 Regular is how many times a week?
01:39:46.000 For a sauna, I think they were saying four times a week.
01:39:49.000 But I mean, how hard is that, man?
01:39:51.000 Just force yourself to sit in it. 0.99
01:39:52.000 I mean, if you have it at home in particular or at your gym, just go there and sit in that fucker for 15 minutes. 0.99
01:39:58.000 It doesn't take long. 0.99
01:39:59.000 Well, I'm going to have to get all this written out.
01:40:01.000 How about this?
01:40:01.000 I do everything you do.
01:40:04.000 We make that a special.
01:40:05.000 It's the Judd Does Joe's Programs year.
01:40:08.000 You have to build up.
01:40:10.000 I got to bulk up.
01:40:11.000 Well, I may have already bulked up.
01:40:13.000 I mean, build up your joints and all that stuff.
01:40:16.000 You've got to get used to that kind of pounding. 0.98
01:40:19.000 There's a lot of shit that's going to be happening if you want to do everything I do. 0.99
01:40:23.000 So I can't just do 12 pounds on a free weight. 0.99
01:40:25.000 You don't want...
01:40:26.000 I mean, it's not even...
01:40:27.000 You're not going to want to do everything I do.
01:40:30.000 Yes.
01:40:31.000 Like, I have a friend who runs ultramarathons, and I just started running recently within the last couple of months. 0.98
01:40:35.000 I'm not running a fucking ultramarathon. 0.92
01:40:37.000 I'm not doing everything... 0.98
01:40:38.000 Hey, I'll do everything you do.
01:40:40.000 It would break.
01:40:40.000 It would break my feet.
01:40:42.000 It would break my knees.
01:40:43.000 Yeah.
01:40:44.000 You gotta just build up.
01:40:45.000 You gotta have time, too.
01:40:46.000 Yes.
01:40:46.000 There's something about, you know, when you run TV shows, it's all freaking day every day, so people say, when do you work out?
01:40:50.000 I'm like, there's no time.
01:40:52.000 Yeah.
01:40:52.000 What am I gonna wake up at five in the morning and put in two and a half hours?
01:40:55.000 I gotta drive my kids to school at 740. That's one thing.
01:40:58.000 You don't need two and a half hours.
01:40:59.000 Yeah.
01:40:59.000 You can get a great workout in in 40 minutes, and that's all you need for the whole day.
01:41:03.000 100%.
01:41:04.000 You really can.
01:41:05.000 Especially if you run.
01:41:06.000 Like, I run hills, and I can get it done in a half an hour. 0.99
01:41:09.000 Like, a fucking brutal workout. 0.99
01:41:11.000 A two-mile, brutal hill-climbing workout in a half hour. 1.00
01:41:15.000 I'm exhausted.
01:41:16.000 Yeah.
01:41:16.000 This idea of time.
01:41:18.000 How much time did you put in today? 0.98
01:41:20.000 You could work out in a bullshit manner for two hours and not get nearly as much done as you can for a half hour hard just running. 0.97
01:41:28.000 Yeah, or like interval training. 0.99
01:41:30.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:41:31.000 Sprints and then relax, then sprints again.
01:41:34.000 But I just think being active and doing something on a daily basis, forcing your body to get used to the fact that it's going to constantly be working, constantly being under stress.
01:41:45.000 It gives you more energy.
01:41:46.000 It's like you have more of a gas tank.
01:41:48.000 You have more enthusiasm for things.
01:41:50.000 That's the scary part about Trump.
01:41:52.000 His theory on exercise is you only have so much energy per day, and he thinks that exercise uses it up.
01:41:58.000 And so he doesn't ever exercise.
01:42:00.000 Yeah.
01:42:01.000 That's gotta come back at him at some point. 0.99
01:42:03.000 He's fucking 70. I mean, I've come back at him already. 0.99
01:42:07.000 But he also, I mean, he's not mitigating his stress.
01:42:11.000 That's part of it is your perspective enhancing.
01:42:13.000 For me, the most important thing about, I don't think, maybe not the most important thing, but one of the best things about exercise is that it gives me a perspective.
01:42:21.000 A better, a more enhanced perspective.
01:42:23.000 Because I'm not coming at it from a stressful body.
01:42:26.000 Like, my body's not tense.
01:42:28.000 So I can come at things in a calm way. 0.99
01:42:30.000 I've drained all the bullshit out of my body. 0.99
01:42:33.000 That's interesting. 1.00
01:42:33.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:42:34.000 And are you doing meditation or what are you doing in that way?
01:42:37.000 I have a sensory deprivation tank.
01:42:38.000 Yeah.
01:42:39.000 So I do most of my meditation in that.
01:42:41.000 You're doing altered states.
01:42:42.000 Yeah.
01:42:43.000 I climb in and I float.
01:42:44.000 I love that.
01:42:45.000 That's one of my favorite things.
01:42:47.000 You ever do it?
01:42:47.000 No, I can imagine.
01:42:49.000 You must.
01:42:50.000 Especially for you because you're working on things all the time.
01:42:53.000 If you go in there with an idea, like I'll go in there with a bit.
01:42:55.000 Like I got this bit that I'm working on right now that's kind of complicated and sometimes I'll just be sitting there staring at the wall just thinking about this one bit because I'm trying to figure out how to structure it.
01:43:06.000 It's a super complicated bit.
01:43:08.000 And I'll go in that tank, and I'll just sit there for an hour, and I'll just try to work out this bit, try to figure out if there are other angles to it, if there's other ways to come at it.
01:43:16.000 The only confusing thing is when I have an idea in the tank, and it seems like, I got it, I got to get out of the tank, and I got to write things down.
01:43:23.000 You need a special pad in the tank.
01:43:25.000 I think I need a voice-activated recorder.
01:43:27.000 I think that's a good idea.
01:43:29.000 Yeah, I think that's what I need, where I can just talk.
01:43:32.000 Yeah.
01:43:32.000 Okay, so I need the tank.
01:43:34.000 You need a tank.
01:43:34.000 I have the spa.
01:43:35.000 You have a spa.
01:43:37.000 I need a hill to run on.
01:43:38.000 Hills are good.
01:43:39.000 I need more of my Onnit products.
01:43:42.000 Do you lift weights at all?
01:43:43.000 No.
01:43:44.000 It's a good idea to do a little bit of something just to keep your body strong.
01:43:48.000 It's like as you get older, your body atrophies.
01:43:51.000 And there's just no way around it, especially if you're not using it.
01:43:54.000 And the only way to keep it from atroving is to make sure that you put it under stress.
01:43:59.000 You have to lift weights.
01:44:01.000 That's the only way.
01:44:02.000 It keeps your bone density, keeps your tendon strength, your muscle strength.
01:44:05.000 There's no other way.
01:44:06.000 You know, otherwise you just get injuries. 0.98
01:44:08.000 People get back injuries and arm injuries and shit just starts falling apart on you. 0.85
01:44:12.000 See, I've had no injuries due to not doing anything. 0.92
01:44:15.000 That's how I've been protecting my body.
01:44:17.000 But yes, I do know that that's the thing to do.
01:44:19.000 I remember I always heard about Clint Eastwood doing that.
01:44:22.000 And I met Clint Eastwood when he was like 80. And I know he's like, he lifts heavyweights.
01:44:26.000 That's his thing.
01:44:26.000 It's like heavyweights.
01:44:27.000 And he was like a truck at 80. But I don't like lifting things.
01:44:37.000 I don't even like counting.
01:44:39.000 Hire a trainer.
01:44:41.000 Get someone to devise a program.
01:44:44.000 Have them come to you, work you out. 0.99
01:44:46.000 You don't have to do shit. 0.99
01:44:48.000 You just show up. 1.00
01:44:49.000 You could do it in your house.
01:44:50.000 They show up at 6 a.m.
01:44:52.000 or whenever it is, and they're like, come on, Judd, I got you for the next 45 minutes.
01:44:55.000 And you're like, all right, here we go.
01:44:58.000 It's tough when you hate that stuff.
01:44:59.000 It really is tough.
01:45:01.000 When you haven't built your brain to love it.
01:45:02.000 I've been playing a lot of tennis lately as a way to wake up.
01:45:06.000 But I do know that I need to do it. 0.92
01:45:09.000 But man, when you're of the mindset that when the trainer comes, you want to punch him in the face...
01:45:15.000 It's a tough thing.
01:45:17.000 And a lot of it is that being a writer, your day becomes about waking up and engaging your brain all day.
01:45:23.000 And so you just like look at writers and eat Chinese food and you're kicking stuff around and it's like developing the wrong muscle your whole life, or at least not only one muscle.
01:45:33.000 And I know that I have to transition into that.
01:45:39.000 It is a tough one.
01:45:40.000 I think it's beneficial to your writing, though.
01:45:42.000 It is.
01:45:43.000 It 100% is.
01:45:44.000 I write better after I do anything.
01:45:46.000 And what I do do is I walk really fast around my neighborhood in circles for like 45 minutes every day.
01:45:53.000 They say that you should do that after you write.
01:45:55.000 They say when you write, one of the things you should do is go over what you wrote by going on a walk.
01:45:59.000 Because it's not enough where you're so worn out that you're occupied by the...
01:46:04.000 It's not like you're running, where you're exhausted, you're occupied by the activity.
01:46:08.000 Because I feel like when I'm running hard, especially when I do my hill sprints... 0.90
01:46:12.000 I'm not thinking about shit other than left foot, right foot, left foot, right foot, don't fall down. 0.97
01:46:17.000 Keep going. 0.99
01:46:18.000 We're almost at the hill, almost at the top.
01:46:20.000 Keep going, keep going, keep going.
01:46:21.000 I'm not thinking about anything else. 1.00
01:46:23.000 But when I walk, I can think about all kinds of shit. 0.99
01:46:25.000 So I walk my dog around the neighborhood a lot of times after I write. 0.99
01:46:28.000 We just take him, we go for a walk.
01:46:30.000 Yeah, and that's like a walking meditation.
01:46:32.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:46:33.000 Because I'm trying to read a lot, like, and you guys talk about it sometimes.
01:46:37.000 I heard you talking about it with Russell Brand, just, you know, quantum physics and trying to figure out how to quiet my brain and to tune into what is left to do to not be crazy.
01:46:51.000 And some of that is exercise.
01:46:53.000 What is left to do to not be crazy.
01:46:55.000 Exactly.
01:46:56.000 Because I'm such a pop psychology junkie.
01:47:00.000 I read that stuff all day long.
01:47:01.000 But lately, I've been reading a little more...
01:47:05.000 You know the Joe Dispenza?
01:47:07.000 Is that his name?
01:47:07.000 Joe Dispenza?
01:47:08.000 But it's like a...
01:47:11.000 Quantum physics theory that basically you get into a pattern of how you feel and it's in your cells.
01:47:18.000 If you're a depressed person, your cells are depressed and if you get in a good mood, your cells try to get you back to depression because you've conditioned yourself to be in a certain mood all the time physically and it affects your whole body and that you can make a choice to change how you are physically by...
01:47:38.000 Choosing to be in a certain mood and meditating about a certain mood and that you could change how your body reacts physically so it doesn't want to keep you in the same mental state you're used to being in.
01:47:50.000 Does that make any sense?
01:47:51.000 It does, sort of, I guess.
01:47:53.000 I'm always real cautious about what causes depression and what makes people depressed and what, you know...
01:48:01.000 I don't suffer from depression, so like whenever someone says, you're depressed because of this, I'm always like, hmm, okay.
01:48:08.000 I don't know how to address that because I don't know what, I know there's certain people that do have absolute chemical imbalances, but what does that chemical imbalance come from?
01:48:17.000 Does it come from childhood trauma?
01:48:18.000 Does it come from just some sort of a part of their body that's not functioning correctly, like a bad thyroid or a bad kidney?
01:48:25.000 Is the brain very similar?
01:48:26.000 Is that the case?
01:48:27.000 Or are they in a bad economic situation and a bad relationship with bad friends and a bad job?
01:48:35.000 Is that what's causing depression?
01:48:36.000 I think there's a host of variables.
01:48:39.000 Yeah, you get in a pattern.
01:48:41.000 You don't know why.
01:48:42.000 I mean, your family, did your parents...
01:48:47.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:49:06.000 Because you think, like, more bad shit's coming. 1.00
01:49:09.000 Yeah. 0.99
01:49:09.000 So if you had any kind of trauma as a kid, I think you're wired to keep your eyes open a little wider, which also lends itself to some kind of depression. 0.99
01:49:16.000 It could, most certainly.
01:49:18.000 For me, that hypervigilance led itself to martial arts.
01:49:21.000 Yeah.
01:49:21.000 And then it's also, we moved around a lot, so I was picked on a lot.
01:49:24.000 So it was like, I was always the new kid. 1.00
01:49:26.000 I was like, God, this fucking sucks. 0.99
01:49:28.000 You know, so that sort of led me to be wary of others and just internalize a lot of stuff. 0.99
01:49:34.000 Sure.
01:49:35.000 I think...
01:49:36.000 That's what I did.
01:49:37.000 I just went in my room and watched the Mike Douglas show.
01:49:39.000 And watched Merv Griffin.
01:49:40.000 Did you know...
01:49:41.000 You knew...
01:49:41.000 So from the time you were 17, you were working at Eastside Comedy Club.
01:49:44.000 Yeah.
01:49:44.000 You kind of knew you always wanted to be involved in comedy.
01:49:46.000 Yeah.
01:49:47.000 From the time I was 10. I was into the Marx Brothers first.
01:49:50.000 Then Cosby and George Carlin.
01:49:53.000 I used to listen to Lenny Bruce records as a kid.
01:49:56.000 I didn't understand them, but I just heard that's the best person.
01:49:59.000 And I always...
01:50:00.000 I think I like that comedians... 1.00
01:50:04.000 Just called out bullshit. 0.99
01:50:05.000 And I must have felt like there was a lot of bullshit around me because I liked it. 0.99
01:50:08.000 That wasn't getting called. 0.98
01:50:09.000 Yeah.
01:50:09.000 I liked that there was like George Collins.
01:50:11.000 I was like, no, this makes no fucking sense. 0.93
01:50:13.000 Yeah.
01:50:13.000 And so I love those people.
01:50:15.000 And the lighter stuff, too. 0.96
01:50:17.000 Like just silly comedians who just... 0.99
01:50:19.000 pointed out the ridiculousness of things. 0.97
01:50:22.000 So I loved Seinfeld when I was a kid and Leno, but especially Carlin, I think, when I was little.
01:50:27.000 Yeah.
01:50:28.000 Well, Groucho Marx is pretty underrated and underappreciated to this day.
01:50:32.000 Remember when he was hosting that show, You Bet Your Life?
01:50:34.000 Oh, absolutely.
01:50:35.000 So funny and so dirty and weird.
01:50:38.000 Yeah, a cigar.
01:50:38.000 The way he looked at people.
01:50:40.000 And even when you watch a movie like Duck Soup, the Marx Brothers movie, it's all about the ridiculousness of government.
01:50:46.000 And something drew me to those people.
01:50:49.000 I think it was also because I was bad at sports.
01:50:51.000 And so I thought, this system's unfair. 0.92
01:50:55.000 So I'm a dick because I can't play softball? 0.98
01:51:00.000 So it led me to look for something else. 0.96
01:51:02.000 But back then, no one else liked comedy.
01:51:05.000 There wasn't another person to talk to about it.
01:51:07.000 Now, I think everyone likes it.
01:51:09.000 But back then, no one was watching Merv Griffin but me.
01:51:11.000 Really?
01:51:12.000 When I was little.
01:51:13.000 I mean, when I was 15, I didn't come to school and we would laugh about Jeff Altman on Merv Griffin.
01:51:20.000 I was just alone with it.
01:51:22.000 Wow.
01:51:23.000 Yeah, I became a fan of stand-up, watching stand-up on TV, like watching The Tonight Show and Evening at the Improv and stuff like that.
01:51:32.000 But really the big one, the one that really kicked in for me was my parents took me to see Live on the Sunset Strip.
01:51:39.000 Oh, wow.
01:51:40.000 And I was a teenager, a young teenager, and I remember being in the audience while Richard Pryor was on stage slaying, and people were laughing so hard, and I was laughing so hard, I looked around.
01:51:51.000 I'll never forget this moment, because I looked around at the crowd while the movie was going on, and all these people were like, ah!
01:51:58.000 Falling out of their chair, slapping their knee, holding their chest.
01:52:01.000 And I was like, this guy's just talking.
01:52:03.000 He's just talking and he's this funny.
01:52:06.000 This is incredible.
01:52:07.000 I'm like, this is an amazing thing this guy can do.
01:52:09.000 Like, I'd never seen real stand-up before.
01:52:12.000 I'd only seen, like, you know, like someone on the Johnny Carson show do a couple minutes and tell a few jokes.
01:52:17.000 That, in my mind, was what stand-up was.
01:52:20.000 It wasn't until, and I'd listened to some of the old Bill Cosby stuff and some of the old Carlin stuff on records, but I'd never seen it, like seeing the movie, live on the Sunset Strip. 0.98
01:52:32.000 And that planted, didn't plant a seed like, I can do it, but it did plant a seed like, holy shit, this is possible. 0.95
01:52:39.000 This is crazy that this is possible. 0.96
01:52:41.000 And it's still the best special.
01:52:42.000 It's one of the best ever, without a doubt.
01:52:44.000 He holds up in a very, very unique way, where a lot of comedy from that era, including Lenny Bruce, doesn't really hold up.
01:52:54.000 Because it's contextual.
01:52:56.000 If you were there in that time, it was groundbreaking.
01:53:00.000 But that's not groundbreaking anymore because the culture has moved on so far, and a lot of that could be attributed to his insight.
01:53:07.000 Like, Lenny Bruce's insight changed the way a lot of people thought and discussed a lot of, like, really important issues at that time.
01:53:14.000 But there was something about Pryor's, his honesty, and his...
01:53:19.000 His delivery and his point of view.
01:53:21.000 To this day, God, he was good.
01:53:24.000 There was a record they put out a few years ago where they didn't tell you what album it was, but it was just bits.
01:53:30.000 And I think maybe a lot of bits that were recorded when he recorded an album but didn't make the album.
01:53:38.000 It was in eras like 70s, 80s, 90s.
01:53:43.000 When you listen to his stuff from the 70s, it's so militant.
01:53:46.000 It's so militant, and it all works perfectly today.
01:53:51.000 Like, what he's mad about all applies to right now.
01:53:56.000 And then when he goes honest about himself and relationships, You do feel it like, oh, there's not many people opening up like this.
01:54:04.000 Right.
01:54:06.000 There's not a comparable person.
01:54:08.000 There's a lot of comedians who talk about their lives, but he's ripping open the veins much deeper than anybody, even now.
01:54:16.000 Sure.
01:54:16.000 And he was talking about horrific addiction issues that he had back then.
01:54:20.000 I mean, addiction issues that caused him to light himself on fire.
01:54:23.000 Yeah.
01:54:24.000 I mean, when he was talking about that back then, who the hell had done that?
01:54:28.000 You remember he would do that thing where he'd light a match and move it around?
01:54:32.000 Like, who am I? I'm Richard Pryor running down the street.
01:54:35.000 And joke around about lighting himself on fire and have the whole audience laugh.
01:54:40.000 It was like, wow.
01:54:42.000 It was crazy.
01:54:43.000 There was some bits where he talked about having multiple sclerosis near the end of his life and he was still doing the comedy store.
01:54:51.000 And on audio, they were riotously funny, brutally honest bits about What it felt like to be that sick.
01:55:01.000 And I don't think it ever was on an album before.
01:55:03.000 When he was doing that, when he was coming back to the Comedy Store when he was really sick before he died, I was the guy who went on after him.
01:55:11.000 Every night.
01:55:12.000 Every night for like five weeks.
01:55:14.000 Oh jeez.
01:55:14.000 Every time he did a show.
01:55:15.000 I bombed so many times going on after Richard Pryor.
01:55:18.000 Oh, it was death.
01:55:20.000 And how was he?
01:55:21.000 Terrible.
01:55:23.000 He was old, and he was sick, and he was drunk, and he was on pills, and he probably shouldn't have been there.
01:55:29.000 But he just wanted to do it.
01:55:31.000 It wasn't good.
01:55:32.000 It wasn't Richard Pryor.
01:55:34.000 First of all, he was really unhealthy, so they had to crank the microphone up.
01:55:41.000 You couldn't even hear him.
01:55:42.000 Barely hear him. 1.00
01:55:43.000 And, you know, he would be like, I always loved pussy! 1.00
01:55:46.000 Like, it wasn't... 1.00
01:55:47.000 There was nothing there.
01:55:48.000 Yeah.
01:55:48.000 He was just kind of talking and ranting, and he would, you know, he'd be on stage with a drink, and people didn't know how to respond.
01:55:55.000 And they would give him this... 0.82
01:55:57.000 Amazing round of applause when he got on stage and took forever for them to get him to the stage because Chewy who worked the door and this guy Dave would carry Richard Pryor to the stage and slowly just move him towards the stage and all the time the people would be clapping and then they would sit him down and then they would put the microphone in place and crank that fucking thing up to 10 and then he would We're 0.91
01:56:34.000 good to go.
01:56:39.000 You know, it was more of that than it was, like, him doing really well.
01:56:42.000 It was never, like, a good set.
01:56:44.000 I never saw him kill.
01:56:45.000 And then you would come out. 1.00
01:56:46.000 I would eat dick. 1.00
01:56:47.000 Just go up there and just eat plates of shit. 1.00
01:56:50.000 People were so depressed. 1.00
01:56:53.000 There's no way on.
01:56:53.000 What was your attempt to pull out of it?
01:56:58.000 I would go on stage and I would say, and now, ladies and gentlemen, an unknown white guy.
01:57:04.000 After the greatest comedian of all time, this douchey-looking, Italian-looking kid. 1.00
01:57:10.000 I would just make fun of myself for a few minutes.
01:57:14.000 And then sometimes I'd talk about how...
01:57:17.000 Richard Pryor was like, you know, huge.
01:57:20.000 Because it would take a long time for him to get off the stage, too.
01:57:23.000 So that was the other thing.
01:57:24.000 Like, I would get introduced by Jeff, who's a piano man, and I would pass Richard and Dave and Chewy as they were carrying Richard off.
01:57:33.000 Like, you'd have to kind of move around him and then get onto the stage, and then you'd have to say, Richard Pryor, ladies and gentlemen. 0.99
01:57:39.000 And sometimes you see people's eyes, they're like, fuck. 1.00
01:57:42.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:57:43.000 Like, what did we just see?
01:57:44.000 Like, this is so depressing.
01:57:45.000 Facing their own mortality.
01:57:47.000 Yeah, absolutely, yeah.
01:57:48.000 And, you know, Richard, they, like, I remember, like, he wasn't supposed to drink, but he drank anyway, like, because they had him on all this medication. 1.00
01:57:55.000 They're like, fuck you. 1.00
01:57:56.000 We just kept drinking. 1.00
01:57:57.000 Yeah, it was weird.
01:57:58.000 It was dark.
01:58:00.000 I remember meeting him at a birthday party.
01:58:02.000 I went with Jim Carrey to his birthday party, and...
01:58:05.000 It was sad.
01:58:07.000 I mean, it was sad to see somebody that ill, especially when you think of just the power of the guy, just how crazy funny he was.
01:58:17.000 Because there's not that many people just to the core of funny.
01:58:19.000 I remember when Robin Williams used to come into improv in the late 80s, and he would kill so hard...
01:58:28.000 There was just no way to recover.
01:58:30.000 The room couldn't recover.
01:58:32.000 And there's not that many people who couldn't do that now.
01:58:35.000 I feel like people could follow each other now.
01:58:36.000 You know, Louis comes in and you go on after him and he kills.
01:58:40.000 But when Robin Williams would come in, you wanted to end the show.
01:58:44.000 Well, there was only one of him then.
01:58:47.000 And now there's Louis, but then there's Burr, and then there's Diaz, and then there's a lot of guys now.
01:58:52.000 There's Santino and Ari Shafir.
01:58:55.000 There's so many funny people now.
01:58:57.000 Or maybe the audience understands in a different way, and they can transition.
01:59:03.000 Maybe.
01:59:03.000 They're used to comedy, and they're like, oh, now this guy, where in the old days you'd come on, and they couldn't go, and oh, we're about to enjoy this potpourri of people.
01:59:14.000 Right.
01:59:14.000 Well, you still see people bomb after someone who kills.
01:59:18.000 That still happens all the time.
01:59:20.000 But I think that...
01:59:22.000 Maybe.
01:59:24.000 I think what you're getting at the store now, and this is what's been really interesting lately, is you're getting a lot of comedy tourism.
01:59:31.000 A lot of people fly over from Europe just to come to the store.
01:59:35.000 A lot.
01:59:36.000 A lot.
01:59:37.000 And it's worth it.
01:59:37.000 Those lineups are crazy some night.
01:59:39.000 Oh, yeah.
01:59:40.000 I'll look at the lineup and go, did this audience understand?
01:59:44.000 How insane this is.
01:59:45.000 Yeah.
01:59:45.000 Yeah.
01:59:46.000 And there's three shows going on simultaneously.
01:59:48.000 There's the belly room, the original room, and the main room.
01:59:50.000 And a lot of guys do hat tricks.
01:59:53.000 Well, they'll do all three rooms in one night.
01:59:55.000 The cellar is like that.
01:59:56.000 The Comedy Cellar in New York, there's three rooms.
01:59:58.000 And you go in some nights and it's like, yeah, Chappelle's coming.
02:00:01.000 Rock just left.
02:00:02.000 And you're like, really?
02:00:03.000 Tonight?
02:00:04.000 Yeah, Schumer's here.
02:00:05.000 There's only a few of those places.
02:00:07.000 I had to follow Andrew Dice Clay and Ray Romano at the cellar once.
02:00:12.000 It was like the cleanest guy and the dirtiest guy.
02:00:15.000 Do you know who I had the worst sets after ever who I could not follow?
02:00:20.000 Martin Lawrence.
02:00:21.000 Oh, yeah.
02:00:21.000 Martin Lawrence in the 90s.
02:00:22.000 Sure.
02:00:23.000 I remember Chris Rock says that Martin Lawrence was opening up for him in the 90s or before he did his big specials.
02:00:32.000 And that he was downstairs in the dressing room and he could feel the theater rocking.
02:00:37.000 And he went on stage and he said he had some shows where he couldn't follow him the way he wanted to.
02:00:44.000 And that's what made him work hard and then develop those great specials.
02:00:49.000 Having Martin open for him scared him.
02:00:51.000 Yeah, well, he also said that he did too many crowds in front of white people.
02:00:54.000 Yeah.
02:00:55.000 Too many shows in front of white crowds, and they were just too happy and too accepting.
02:01:02.000 And then Martin Lawrence would just bring the thunder.
02:01:04.000 Dude, he was so strong.
02:01:07.000 Before he put the wetsuit on and ran around with a gun in the middle of the city in the heat, like whatever fuse he blew. 0.99
02:01:14.000 But before that, that fucking guy would go on stage with a leather jumpsuit on and just destroy. 0.98
02:01:21.000 I mean destroy in a level that people don't appreciate today. 0.99
02:01:24.000 People forgot about him.
02:01:25.000 Have you ever seen Gary Owen?
02:01:27.000 Yes.
02:01:28.000 I was talented doing a set.
02:01:31.000 I was playing Bonnaroo, and I wanted to go on the night before to warm up, and I went to Zaney's in Nashville.
02:01:37.000 And he's there, and I hadn't seen him before.
02:01:39.000 And I did a set, and it was okay.
02:01:42.000 It wasn't very good.
02:01:43.000 It was just fine.
02:01:44.000 And then he gets on.
02:01:46.000 I've never heard louder laughs.
02:01:47.000 I've never heard louder laughs.
02:01:49.000 Me and my manager, Jimmy Miller, sat in the back of the room, and we were like...
02:01:53.000 And then we start really paying attention, going, how funny is this guy?
02:01:57.000 Like, listening to the material.
02:01:59.000 Like, is this good material?
02:02:00.000 Or is he pandering?
02:02:01.000 Or what is it?
02:02:01.000 And then we're like, wait a second.
02:02:02.000 His material's incredible.
02:02:05.000 Like, he is awesome.
02:02:07.000 And it was the biggest laughs I've ever heard.
02:02:09.000 He had a sustained, like, killing the crowd, you know, where the place is just rocking and moving up and down.
02:02:16.000 He's a white guy that does a lot of black shows, right? 0.93
02:02:17.000 Yeah. 0.99
02:02:20.000 He went a full 20-25 minutes at 10 before he slowed it down and had to slow it down or he was gonna kill these people.
02:02:28.000 And I swear, I thought, I don't know if I'm in the same business as this guy.
02:02:32.000 Like, is this what we're supposed to do?
02:02:34.000 Well, when you jumped back into it, you thought that three years ago, you're just going to have some fun and go and do it.
02:02:42.000 When was it that you realized, like, I'm a comic now.
02:02:45.000 I got to kind of, like, really aspire to a high standard.
02:02:50.000 Like, I have to really tighten everything up.
02:02:52.000 I think, you know, I was watching Louis work on his new set very seriously at the Comedy Cellar.
02:02:58.000 And he'd say, yeah, I got nothing.
02:03:00.000 I got nothing tonight and go on stage and just crush.
02:03:04.000 And then I played Carnegie Hall and had a good set for the New York Comedy Festival.
02:03:09.000 And then as a surprise, I brought Sandler out to do a surprise set after me.
02:03:15.000 And I thought I did great.
02:03:17.000 And then when he came out, the laughter went up 20%.
02:03:21.000 Where I felt it.
02:03:22.000 Like, oh, I'm at a seven, and he's at a nine and a half.
02:03:27.000 The sound changed.
02:03:29.000 And I thought, oh, there's a whole other step here that I need to kick into gear.
02:03:34.000 I always want the material to be good, but that...
02:03:39.000 There's a way to crush that's hard to do.
02:03:43.000 To get that momentum and have the ideas.
02:03:45.000 And obviously Chris Rock is one of the best of everybody at it because he has so many great ideas but understands how to get the room rocking really hard.
02:03:56.000 The cadence and the pace.
02:03:58.000 To find what is in your cadence that does it.
02:04:01.000 That doesn't become obnoxious or loud or just talking fast.
02:04:06.000 How do you find an original...
02:04:08.000 Way to create that energy in a room.
02:04:10.000 I think the only way is constant repetition.
02:04:13.000 You have to be on stage all the time.
02:04:15.000 Yeah.
02:04:15.000 And you have to really always be trying to improve it.
02:04:18.000 And you have to always be listening to your recordings.
02:04:20.000 And you have to have...
02:04:21.000 And you gotta listen to bad sets, too.
02:04:23.000 When sets go bad, you gotta go, why didn't that go bad? 1.00
02:04:26.000 Let's listen to this fucking thing. 0.99
02:04:27.000 Yeah, I always hear myself mumble. 1.00
02:04:28.000 Like, oh, they didn't even hear what I said.
02:04:30.000 Yeah.
02:04:31.000 That's big.
02:04:32.000 One stumble.
02:04:33.000 Get out of here.
02:04:33.000 I gotta go pick up a child.
02:04:35.000 Oh.
02:04:35.000 I'm gonna do my end of the show plug.
02:04:37.000 Children.
02:04:37.000 I got the big sick.
02:04:39.000 Get a website, dude.
02:04:40.000 Okay.
02:04:40.000 Go to squarespace.com.
02:04:42.000 Make your own website.
02:04:43.000 So you're saying there's a place called Squarespace that has websites.
02:04:46.000 Yes.
02:04:46.000 I've heard about this.
02:04:47.000 You can make your own website.
02:04:48.000 Okay, I'm at the Wilbur on the 24th.
02:04:51.000 In Boston.
02:04:52.000 July 24th.
02:04:52.000 23rd at Ridgefield Playhouse in Connecticut.
02:04:55.000 And the 25th...
02:04:56.000 Cancel the Connecticut gig.
02:04:57.000 Columbus Theater, Providence, Rhode Island.
02:04:58.000 Cancel all Connecticut gigs.
02:05:00.000 Why's that?
02:05:00.000 I always do.
02:05:01.000 Just for the hell of a...
02:05:02.000 I don't work in Connecticut.
02:05:03.000 I'm not kidding.
02:05:05.000 It's not a real state.
02:05:06.000 Okay.
02:05:07.000 It's a highway.
02:05:07.000 I'm going to figure that out.
02:05:08.000 It's a highway between Boston and New York.
02:05:10.000 I'm going to let you know if that's true.
02:05:11.000 Don't do it.
02:05:12.000 But as of now...
02:05:12.000 We're going to talk later.
02:05:13.000 After that, you're like, oh my God, you were so right.
02:05:15.000 That Connecticut gig was horrible.
02:05:16.000 I need Connecticut people to show me he's wrong.
02:05:18.000 All these Connecticut people are mad at me now.
02:05:20.000 I get emails from Connecticut. 1.00
02:05:21.000 Hey, bro, how about lay off fucking Connecticut? 1.00
02:05:23.000 How about drive to Boston or drive to New York and recognize what the fuck you're doing? 1.00
02:05:28.000 John Apatow, ladies and gentlemen. 0.99
02:05:30.000 Thank you for having me.
02:05:31.000 Thanks for being here, man.
02:05:32.000 That's it for the week.
02:05:34.000 Good night, ladies and gentlemen.